Talk:Robin and Marian

message: The plot summary seems the same (word-for-word) as the one here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075147/plotsummary. Can someone who's watched this write a new summary from scratch? Gatta 16:06, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot copied from IMDB 

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message: Since User:Stefanomencarelli wrote "What do you find as 'incomprensible' Ahunt? Give an example, or i shall take it as an insult?" I will start by answering that question, since my intention was to point out that the changes were incomprehensible, not to insult. Below is the proposed text from above annoted with the problematic parts bolded and the explanations after them in brackets and italics. 
Incidentally the word "incomprensible" is misspelled, it is correctly "incomprehensible".
An aging Robin Hood (Connery) is a trusted captain fighting for Richard the Lion-Heart (Harris) in France, the Crusades long over. He is ordered to take a castle that is rumoured to hold a a 3ft tall gold statue, but he refuses since it is held by a single old man, sheltering harmless women and children. Richard is furious and orders Robin and John's  (This introduction of a new name here adds confusion, in this context who is this character?) execution, but soon after the king is fatally wounded by an arrow launched (by hand) (This is ambiguous, does this mean thrown by hand or fired from a bow?) from (with the addition of the previous statements the use of the word "from" here is incorrect grammar, and should be "by" in this context) the old man. Richard then orders the massacre of the residents except the old man (because i liked his eye) (In this context this statement does not make any sense. Is it a quote or a comment? The capitalization is incorrect, too.). Richard, fatally wounded ('the surgeon did a mistake, i already ordered to hang him') (This statement is entirely lacking context and of such poor grammar that its inclusion here does not make any sense. The capitalization is incorrect.), next day asks for them (missing article "the" here, the reference is so vague here along with a pronoun fault that I cannot make out who this is referring to), to talk with Robin one last time. Richard is in the hall of the castle, but he feels to be alone despite his court (This clause is so poorly constructed that its intended meaning cannot be discerned): his father died long ago (The context missing here. This is joined with a colon, indicating a dependent clause, but bears no relation to the previous clause, inclusion is not clear) ('He damned me, just because i killed him') (Is this a quote or a comment? The context is missing so the meaning cannot be discerned), his mother ('the old bitch') (Again the context for this statement is completely unclear and does not make sense here) is far away and she would (would is past tense, in this use should be present tense) not go to Richard's castle. Richard says to Robin 'Ask me for the grace' but he refuses. (The grammar in this sentence is so badly constructed that its meaning is not understandable - it seems to be a quote, but that cannot be correct. The lack of context to the plot renders this insensible.) Richard, furious for Robin's arrogance, then tries to kill him, but he falls on the floor. (The use of "for" is not correct, it could "at" or "because of", but the rest of the sentence is not understandable enough to determine. The word "then" does not fit. Logically the sentence  does not follow, how is falling on the floor related? Was he dead or avoiding attack?) Robin swiftly help him (bad grammar - should be "helps him" ); Richard, with his last words, leave free the them. (This is joined to the previous clause by a semicolon, indicating that both are dependent clauses, but that is not the case. Regardless this clause is so poorly constructed that its meaning is completely lost. Did he leave them or free them or free them and then leave them? Overall this paragraph has been rendered completely incomprehensible by all these additions.)
When Richard dies, Robin and Little John (Williamson) return to England and are reunited with old friends Will Scarlet (Denholm Elliott) and Friar Tuck (Barker) in Sherwood Forest. When Robin casually inquires about Maid Marian (Hepburn), they tell him she has become a nun. When he goes to see her, she finds him as impossible as ever. He learns that his old nemesis, the Sheriff of Nottingham (Shaw), has ordered her arrest. The Sheriff is oppressed by the arrogant, ignorant noble (Sir Rundolph) that pretend to command him (Really poor grammar and sentence construction here, so that the meaning is not clearly discernible)  (differently by the nobles, i can read) (Is this a quote or a comment? Is does not makes sense in either case. The capitalization is wrong.) She goes willingly, but Robin objects and rescues her against her will, kicking in the balls the arrogant noble, (Poor grammar and non-encyclopedic language) (that was executing the order made by king John, the brother of Richard, against the Roman Church) (This sentence, placed in brackets, does not seem to have any relationship to the previous one. What has the Roman Church to do with this?) Robin and John manages (Incorrect tense, should be "manage") to rescue the other nuns (What nuns? This is the first mention of nuns. The part of the paragraph starts to defy logical comprehension at this point), held prisoneers (Spelling, this presumably should be "prisoners") in the castle, in a confused, lucky action. (Confused and lucky? Without further explanation this does not make sense) Sir Randolph (He was called "Sir Rundolph" above) -in spite of the Sheriff's warning, pursue them in the forest (I think this should be "pursues them into the forest"), but he is almost killed, falling in (Should be "into") a trap (Requires elaboration, is unclear as stated. What kind of trap?). Later, he goes to King John and asks for 200 soldiers. (For what purposes? Makes no sense as this sentence is written as it lacks context or relation to the the statements that come before it.) In the meanwhile, Robin falls in love with Marian. In the forest they organize a sort of guerrilla champ ("Champ" in English is a short form for "champion", in French it means a field, but I am guessing that here this is a spelling mistake and really should read "camp".), with peasants, nuns and other peoples (Incorrect grammar. This should probably just be "people", but this leaves the sentence incomplete as a thought and requires elaboration). But it lives shortly (This is not understandable.): the Army (This term is usually only capitalized when it refers to a specific army, but since none has been mentioned before, the use is unclear. What army?) arrive (Poor grammar. this should be "arrives") near the forest and the final clash is only a question of time (In this context this is vague). Robin cannot resist, as he want to fight with the Sheriff (Poor grammatical construction), despite the inferiority of his forces, expecially (Spelling mistake - should be "especially") in a open field. (This requires explanation as why this would be the case. Overall this paragraph greatly adds to the confusion created in the first paragraph.)
The Sheriff and Robin agree to a personal duel to settle the matter, despite the protests of Sir Rundolph (or Randolf?). The battle is long and violent (calling a battle violent is redundant) among these old and (to make more sense this should probably be "but".) respectful enemies. When the Sheriff leave the axe and use only the sword, gains in nimbleness (Poor grammatical construction) and soon wounds Robin, ask (Poor grammar. Should probably be "asking" or "he then asks him") him to surrender. But, with his last forces (Not clear. Did extra forces arrive, or should this say "with his last strength"?), Robin kills his enemy. The Sheriff's men then attack, leading by (Poor grammar. I think this should be "led by") Sir Rundolph, scattering the ragtag band. Little John swiftly kills Randolph; with and Marian rescue Robin and help him back to the nunnery, where he optimistically believes that he will recover and return to his adventurous ways. (Run on sentence, with poor grammar so that the meaning is not clear. Incorrect punctuation use) But (Poor grammatical construction) there is no future for them, chased by the Army (capitalization) and whitout (Spelling mistake: should be "without") help except John. Marian prepares a draft and takes a drink of it herself. John stands guard outside while Marian tends to Robin. He drinks the medicine and notes that the pain has gone away and his legs have gone numb. As Marian herself gets weaker he realises that she has poisoned them both and he cries out for Little John.
Robin then sees that Marian has acted out of love because he would never be the same man again if he lived. She tells him:
"I love you. More than all you know. I love you more than children. More than fields I've planted with my hands. I love you more than morning prayers or peace or food to eat. I love you more than sunlight, more than flesh or joy, or one more day. I love you...more than God."
Little John crash (Poor grammar. The originally used "kicks" is better English, although it could be changed to "Little John crashes through the door")  the door in and weeps at Robin's bedside as Robin consoles him. Robin picks up a bow and tells Little John to bury them where the arrow lands. He shoots it from his deathbed through an open window.
:My next intention was to fix all these errors and turn the above tract into something that can be understood, but in doing the analysis it became clear to me that there is so much that cannot be made sense of and, in addition, it adds so much unneeded length to the passage that I personally believe the original plot summary, as currently posted, is the better option. - Ahunt (talk) 16:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Incomprehensible

message: Well, we italians use less a futile word like 'h', sorry:
1-Richard is furious and orders Robin and John's (This introduction of a new name here adds confusion, in this context who is this character?) execution
John (Little John) is one of the Characters, check the list in the movie, why a reader should be confused?
2-by an arrow launched (by hand) (This is ambiguous, does this mean thrown by hand or fired from a bow?) from (with the addition of the previous statements the use of the word "from" here is incorrect grammar, and should be "by" in this context) the old man
OK about 'by', but that arrow was launched without bow, with a bare hand (i know it's strange, but it's not my fault)
3-Richard, fatally wounded ('the surgeon did a mistake, i already ordered to hang him') (This statement is entirely lacking context and of such poor grammar that its inclusion here does not make any sense. The capitalization is incorrect.)
Ok, Richard, fatally wounded by the arrow and the surgeon's action ('the surgeon did a mistake, i already ordered to hang him') is good enough to explain what happens? Richard ordered to hang the surgeon because he did a mistake in removing the arrow (to say the truth, Richard removed himself the arrowhead)
4-next day asks for them (missing article "the" here, the reference is so vague here along with a pronoun fault that I cannot make out who this is referring to)
Ok, the day after Richard asks to bring Robin and John to him
5-Richard is in the hall of the castle, but he feels to be alone despite his court (This clause is so poorly constructed that its intended meaning cannot be discerned)
It means: Richard is in the hall of the castle, but he feels to be alone, despite his court (all around him)
6-his father died long ago (The context missing here. This is joined with a colon, indicating a dependent clause, but bears no relation to the previous clause, inclusion is not clear) ('He damned me, just because i killed him') ('the old bitch') (Again the context for this statement is completely unclear and does not make sense here) is far away and she would (would is past tense, in this use should be present tense) not go to Richard's castle. 
Because Richard talks about his family to Robin (how so? this movie is one of your preferred and you forgotten that?). He said: my father dawned me, just because i killed him, my mother (the old bitch) is far away from here and she would not came for my funeral. What's strange with that?
7-Richard says to Robin 'Ask me for the grace' but he refuses. (The grammar in this sentence is so badly constructed that its meaning is not understandable - it seems to be a quote, but that cannot be correct. The lack of context to the plot renders this insensible.) 
Richard says to Robin: 'ask me to be spared/graced'. Robin should ask for the grace, if only he bothers to ask for the mercy to Richard. Is it more clear now?
8-Richard, furious for Robin's arrogance, then tries to kill him, but he falls on the floor. (The use of "for" is not correct, it could "at" or "because of", but the rest of the sentence is not understandable enough to determine. The word "then" does not fit. Logically the sentence does not follow, how is falling on the floor related? Was he dead or avoiding attack?)
Come on, this is you favorite movie and you don't remember that scene? Robin refuses to ask the mercy (correct?), then (so/thus) Richard became furious, grab the sword with his last forces, but falls on the floor agonizing.
9-Robin, seeing Richard's fall, swiftly helps him, and Richard, touched by Robin'loyalty, set him and John free.
10-The Sheriff is oppressed by the arrogant, ignorant noble (Sir Rundolph) that pretend to command him (Really poor grammar and sentence construction here, so that the meaning is not clearly discernible) (differently by the nobles, i can read) (Is this a quote or a comment? Is does not makes sense in either case. The capitalization is wrong.)
Ok, The Sheriff is oppressed by an arrogant, ignorant noble (Sir Rundolph), that pretend to be his superior while he dispraces the culture. The Sheriff explains this to Robin i am considered with suspect, differently from the nobles, i can read
11-She goes willingly, but Robin objects and rescues her against her will, kicking in the balls the arrogant noble, (Poor grammar and non-encyclopedic language) (that was executing the order made by king John, the brother of Richard, against the Roman Church) (This sentence, placed in brackets, does not seem to have any relationship to the previous one.
No, Robin really kicked in the balls sir Rundolph, again, it's not my fault. And the movie depicts this without doubts. What's against 'encyclopedic language'? Do you preferred 'kicks in the testicles'? The arrogant noble was executing the order of king John against the Roman Church (kicks out priests from England).
12-These nuns are simply the fellow of Marians, already gone in the castle. Ok about manage. Yes, confused and lucky, because they manage to free the nuns despite they do a lot of mistake and fall in a trap, but the Sheriff men's are so incompetent, that Robin and John kill a lot of them (Sheriff is really amused by that) and escape from the castle. This is what i mean for 'confused and lucky': both the parts did mistakes, but at the end, Robin won and the enemies lost their lives. (Are you really sure to have seen that movie Ahunt?) 
13-Yes, 'pursues them in the forest, is almost killed falling into a trap swiftly set by Robin's men. The trap consisted in firing silently arrows at the soldiers by '6 o clock (back) until decimating the troop and captured the noble (that ignorant and idiot, already kicked in the balls by Robin nda).
14-Later, he goes to King John and asks for 200 soldiers. (For what purposes? Makes no sense as this sentence is written as it lacks context or relation to the the statements that come before it.)
To capture Robin, of course..
15-Camp and people, Ok. 
16-That situation last for only few days. grammar, it should be easily corrected (x=es etc).
17-well, not, the battle in the forest was much less violent, this is much more difficult for both the sides.
18-But, with his last forces (Not clear. Did extra forces arrive, or should this say "with his last strength"?), Robin kills his enemy.
Well, do you know 12th round in the boxe? Last strength, in italians we say 'last forces', not a great difference..
19-Yes, led by
20-Robin means: i will recover, and then, i will have more and more victories.
21-And i am not.--Stefanomencarelli (talk) 20:42, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Answers

message: An aging Robin Hood (Connery) is a trusted captain fighting for Richard the Lion-Heart (Harris) in France, the Crusades long over. He is ordered to take a castle that is rumoured to hold a gold statue. Discovering that the castle is just defended by a solitary old man who is sheltering harmless women and children, Robin and his right-hand man, Little John (Williamson), refuse to attack. King Richard, angry at their insubordination, orders Robin and Little John's execution, but before the orders are carried out the King is fatally wounded by an arrow thrown by hand by the old man. Richard orders a massacre of the residents with the exception the old man, because Richard likes his eye, as he explains to the surgeon who is trying to extract the arrowhead. The King talks with Robin and Little John one last time before he dies, remembering his father whom he had killed and his absent mother and asks Robin to pray for mercy for him. Robin refuses and so King Richard takes a sword, intending to kill him, but lacking the strength, falls to the floor. Robin helps the king, and moved by his loyalty, with his last words frees Robin and Little John. 
When Richard dies, Robin and Little John return to England and are reunited with old friends Will Scarlet (Denholm Elliott) and Friar Tuck (Barker) in Sherwood Forest. When Robin casually inquires about Maid Marian (Hepburn), they tell him she has become a nun. When he goes to see her, she finds him as impossible as ever. He learns that his old nemesis, the Sheriff of Nottingham (Shaw), has ordered her arrest as part of executing a King's order to exile the Church of Rome from England. 
The Sheriff is overseen in his task by an arrogant and overbearing nobleman, Sir Rundolph and the Sheriff explains to Robin that he is not trusted by the nobles because, unlike more than the half the nobles, he can read and this makes them suspicious of him. Marian goes willingly, but Robin objects and in a surprise action rescues her against her will along with other prisoners, indignantly injuring Sir Rundolph in the process. In spite of the Sheriff's warnings, Sir Rundolph, who is also disliked by Robin and John, fits his heavy armour and pursues Robin into the forest, falling into an ambush. His men are decimated by arrows and Sir Rundolph is unharmed only because Robin orders him spared. Once free Sir Rundolph asks King John for 200 soldiers to pursue Robin's band. In the aftermath of the rescue, Robin falls in love with Marian and organizes a makeshift force in the forest from the peasants, nuns and other people available. 
When Sir Rundolph and the Sheriff and their forces arrive the final battle is joined in an open field where Robin's forces are at a disadvantage. The Sheriff and Robin agree to a personal duel to settle the issue, despite protests from Sir Rundolph. The ensuing fight is long but respectful between these old enemies. Eventually the Sheriff forsakes his battleaxe for a sword, defeats Robin and demands his surrender. Refusing, Robin manages to kill the Sheriff with the last of his strength. Led by Sir Rundolph, the soldiers attack and scatter the ragtag band. Little John swiftly kills Sir Rundolph, leaving his body next to the Sheriff's and together with Marian, they rescue Robin and they take him to the nunnery. 
At the nunnery Robin claims that he will recover and return to win future battles. Little John stands guard outside while Marian tends to Robin. Marian prepares a draft and takes a drink of it herself before giving it to Robin.  He drinks the medicine and notes that the pain has gone away and his legs have gone numb. As Marian gets weaker he realises that she has poisoned them both and he cries out for Little John. Robin then sees that Marian has acted out of love because he would never be the same man again if he lived. She tells him:
"I love you. More than all you know. I love you more than children. More than fields I've planted with my hands. I love you more than morning prayers or peace or food to eat. I love you more than sunlight, more than flesh or joy, or one more day. I love you...more than God."
Little John crashes through the door and weeps at Robin's bedside as Robin consoles him. Robin picks up a bow and tells Little John to bury them both where the arrow lands. He shoots it from his deathbed through the open window.
::Okay, how is that? - Ahunt (talk) 17:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I made some adds, because it's not enough clear the (low) level of Sir Rundulph, a really ignorant and unremarkable guy (this really plagues the Sheriff's morale, being oppressed by an idiot, and Sheriff and Robin are remarkable in the same field against this kind of 'nobles', showing once more time their compatibility, the classical 'old, good foes'). For the rest, i'd go to print the stuff. --Stefanomencarelli (talk) 17:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay I have fixed up the spelling and grammar there. I guess I don't remember what is meant by "likes his eye"? I understood that to mean that he "admired his aim", but I am missing the intent there? - Ahunt (talk) 18:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Because Richard says literally I spared him. I like his eye (don't be surprised, i remember every single bit of that movie, the 'iron memory' is one of my characteristics). That's all. I'd say to post the stuff now.--Stefanomencarelli (talk) 22:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay that makes sense - I will move the above text to the page then - thanks for working with me on this! - Ahunt (talk) 17:14, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot

message: :"http://www.filmotecanavarra.com/es/actualidad.asp?IdNoticia=67"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.139.118.211 (talk) 11:55, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  I ignored that [[Artajona]], Urbasa Range and Orgi Oak Grove belonged to [[Zamora]] 

message: The plot description includes the following, "He [Robin] learns that his old nemesis, the Sheriff of Nottingham, has ordered her [Marian's] arrest in response to the King's order to expel senior leaders of the Roman Catholic Church from England."
I realize film writing is often the epitome of absolute fiction, but is there any historical background for such a claim, that Richard I expelled senior leaders of the Catholic Church from England?  Richard is generally regarded as a pious, if not flawed, Catholic, although it is known that Holy Roman Emperor Henry VI induced Richard to surrender England to the Emperor (as John a few years later was to make over England to the Holy See), and then Henry conferred the kingdom upon his captive as a fief at the Diet of Mainz, in Feb., 1194.  This arguably could have created friction between Richard I and the Vatican, but the arguably, the Holy Roman Empire and the Holy See were distinct political apparatuses. Besides which, Pope Celestine III excommunicated Henry VI, as he had Duke Leopold (Richard's original captor), for the continued wrongful imprisonment of Richard.
Does anybody have any information on any factual historical "friction" between Richard and the Catholic Church?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.189.21.155 (talk) 15:51, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical context