Talk:Midfielder

message: This page is pretty woeful and misleading.
"midfielders are sometimes refered to as 'midfield generals' for their ability to dictate a game." - alleges that all midfielders can dictate games.
"slow down a game to wear down the clock in a winning position" - alleges that all midfielders slow down games in a winning position, instead of going for goals.
"Midfielders require a vision" - alleges that all midfielders possess vision (which is pretty useless for a defensive midfielder)
"they must know when to dribble the ball upfield" - alleges that all midfielders can and would dribble
"just an example of the free kick ability of a good midfielder." - alleges that only midfielders, and not strikers or defenders, take free kicks.
The list of "complete midfielders" is debatable. Mandel June 28, 2005 17:16 (UTC)
: So who, in your opinion, would constitute a complete midfielder? Lapafrax 12:41, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Complete midfielder" is a British manufacture and fetish.  The best midfielders, Zidane, Platini, Figo etc are never "complete", nor do they need to be.  You don't need headless chickens running all over the field doing everything, you need discipline and enterprise in their respective positions.  Put in 10 Steven Gerrards, 10 Frank Lampard and England won't ever win anything.  There's no such thing as a "complete midfielder", though there's such a thing called a more "all-rounded player in their position".  However, it's arguable whether a more "complete" player is more devastating than a specialized midfielder playing at his height. In the EPL for instance, Gerrard and Lampard will never reach the guile or incisive passing of, say, Robert Pires.  I've never seen Gerrard, Lampard dribble past anyone.  Bryan Robson does everything else, but is hardly creative.  Is he complete?  Michael Ballack can drive with the ball, but he too is a runner rather than a passer.  Only the British will be greedy and want their players to do everything.  If so, you need only one player on field, not ten.  165.21.154.111 05:50, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  It may be chiefly a British term, but so what?  The concept per se is not invalid.  A complete midfielder simply means a player who possesses ALL traits needed by midfielders, including good tackling and passing skills,  defensive play, etc.  Granted there are few players in modern world football like this, but again, so what?  That doesn't mean the notion of a complete midfielder is a pie in the sky BS ideal.  Some strikers are considered "complete strikers" because they hold all the skills strikers need.  You's say that Thierry Henry was a more complete striker than Ruud Van Nistelrooy, say.  And what's wrong with players have complete skills in each position?  Have you heard of "total football" before? If not, then you need to brush up on your footballing knowledge. Lapafrax — Preceding undated comment added 17:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Is Billy Bremner a "footballing great"?  If so, then only in a British context.  I doubt he ranks amongst the likes of Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Di Stefano, etc.  Someone like Alan Shearer is a British footballing great, but I wouldn't really state he was a world great. Lapafrax 17:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mandel's comments

message: Most of what is described in Holding role repeats Midfielder#Defensive midfielder.  Let's merge it back to the major article here.  Holding role can remain as a redirect to Midfielder.  --Pkchan 16:28, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes please.--Dodo bird 19:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done, together with merge from Winger (sport).  --Pkchan 11:35, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[Holding role]] 

message: Due to vandalism on other pages by the user who made this edit, I am requesting that this edit be cited.  If it is not cited within 24 hours, it will be removed. -- backburner001 18:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's vandalism.  Duly reverted.  --Pkchan 07:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Figures.  Good call. -- backburner001 17:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why?Its ture Edu and Keane are not holding midfielders.24.189.86.92 (talk) 00:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fact verification

message: I'd advocate splitting this article up into Midfielder (soccer), Midfielder (Australian rules) and Midfielder (rugby) (though this is unwritten, I'll cobble together a stub (section of this article?) for it), because despite the similar/same names and similar types of tasks, the actual jobs done are pretty different. Then, at Midfielder, we have a general description of what a midfielder does in sports, and a link to the associated subpage with a short blurb. Providing noone has — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam Pointon (talk • contribs) 21:39, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know Rugby, but both Rugby league positions and Rugby union positions have no mention of  the term 'midfielder'. There are midfield positions, but they are called 'centre' instead of 'midfielder'. As for the Australian rules football, Football (Australian rules) positions also suggest that 'centre' and 'wingmen' are used instead of 'midfielder'. Maybe we can just have a disambiguity link at the to of the article to Football (Australian rules) positions#Midfield. --Dodo bird 06:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not the case that Centre or Wingman are used instead of midfielder in Australian rules football. It is much more likely that these players would be referred to as "midfielders" as, due to the evolution of the Australian game, these players are now required to roam much further from the positions of "wing" or "centre". --The Brain of Morbius 06:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As things currently stand, this is a predominantly football-based article with a little bit about AFL tacked on the end.  It seems a bit silly, so I've been bold and taken out the AFL stuff and added a disambiguation link at the start of the article. Tpth 04:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Different sports

message: I linked to Stanley Matthews to exemplify the traditional winger who was part of the forward line, and I added a reference to the formal terminology for the position (Outside Right/Left). --pmr 20:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stanley Matthews 

message: I added a POV tag to the section entitleed "Players inaccurately termed defensive midfielders" because it presents as fact that certain players are not defensive midfielders, when (although this may be true) such a statement is completely unverifiable and based on subjective observation.  The only way one could make it verifiable would be to say that "So-and-so believes this person is incorrectly termed a defensive midfielder," followed by a citation to an article or something of that nature.  Personally, I think the section should probably go completely (unless someone is willing to do the research and rewrite). --Loudsox 03:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV tag 

message: I think the whole "Players inaccurately termed defensive midfielders"- section shouldn't be in the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.206.251.130 (talk) 15:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lorenzinho

message: This is pretty poor, I'm gonna try and spruce it up with better diagrams. --Tiresais 20:15 (edit 20:17), 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::Ok there are some different diagrams up to make it look a bit better--Tiresais 20:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor Article diagrams

message: Other just as accomplished attacking midfielders include Totti, Nedved, Rui Costa, Kaká. Less accomplished but arguably as talented players of this position include Juninho Pernambucano, [b]Landon Donovan[/b], Pablo Aimar, and Tomáš Rosický.
Great joke:))) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.78.146.186 (talk) 16:11, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not a joke.Donavan is an attacking midfielder,like Tim Cahill.Jean24.189.86.92 (talk) 23:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donovan? 

message: I dont think that this is a very good example of a deep lying playmaker being supported by a holding midfielder since scholes is if anything an out and out attacking midfilder (he is after all included in the attacking midfielder paragraph). He is well known for his inability to tackle properly. Though the united team is doing well at the moment, this central midfield is not ideally balanced as both are playmakers, one deep lying, the other central or advanced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.205.102.202 (talk) 10:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carrick Supported by Scholes in deep lying playmaker role

message: I've removed the following: Wingers are experiencing a revival today - for example Arjen Robben and Shaun Wright-Phillips of Chelsea F.C., Joaquín Sánchez of Valencia CF and Aaron Lennon of Tottenham Hotspur F.C. are such; they were relatively rare in the 1980s and 1990s. Firstly, its uncited, secondly three of the examples play in England, where every champion of the 1990s bar Leeds used at least one winger (Anders Limpar, Ryan Giggs, Stuart Ripley, Marc Overmars) Oldelpaso 22:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why?They are All WINGERS.For real.Look at their profiles. 24.189.86.92 (talk) 00:17, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wingers

message: This article needs to mention something about the classic centre-half (or center half) position. --ChaChaFut 15:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centre-half 

message: The translation for the Brazilian Portuguese/Spanish term "volante" is mistaken. "Rudder" in Brazilian Portuguese means "leme" whereas "volante" would be "steering wheel"; but neither has anything to do with the original intended etimology. "Volante" as in defensive midfielder means "flying", "floating", as the classic "volante", evolved directly from the former 4-2-4 center-half, is supposed to "float" between defense and attack - http://ultimosegundo.ig.com.br/esportes/opiniao/alberto_helena_jr/2007/01/04/bola_virtual_adeus_mineiro_278032.html (Alberto Helena Jr. is a reputable Brazilian football pundit). girco 02:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volante 

message: Gerrard is, Keane and Viera were. The others have never been. Londo06 21:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't Deco a box 2 box player? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.66.219.128 (talk) 19:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Deco is what we brazillians call a "meia-armador", a creative, but very offensive midfielder, just like riquelme, zico and diego(from werder bremem). I dont know if they can be called box-to-box, however, because i dont know how a box-to-box is like... Vermelhored 19:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Box 2 Box Midfielders

message: Should Luka Modric really be listed as one of the best attacking midfielders in the world?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by El Legend (talk • contribs) 19:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I say no, if I had to look him up it proves it. Dump him. Jimbo online 20:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Just a small thing on attacking midfielders

message: To stop people adding stupid names to the list. 
My suggestion: 
*Defencive mid:
**Claude Makelele, Gennaro Gattuso, Owen Hargreaves, Javier Mascherano, and Gilberto Silva.
*Deep-lying playmakers:
**Andrea Pirlo, Xabi Alonso, Xavi, Michael Carrick and Fernando Gago(couldn't think of anyone better).
*Box to box:
**Patrick Vieira, Steven Gerrard, Roy Keane, Daniel De Rossi and Michael Essien.
*Attacking midfielder:
**Juan Román Riquelme, Francesco Totti, Cesc Fabregas, Paul Scholes and Kaká. I'm not sure wether to include Ronaldhinio, as he does tend to play wide left, and since I said I'd only pick 5, I've left him out, but he does deserve a mention.
*Winger:
**Cristiano Ronaldo, David Beckham, Lionel Messi, Franck Ribery and Ricardo Quaresma. I've included Beckham as he is an example (the most well known and therfore a good refference point) of the different type of winger who's ability wasn't in dribbling but in his delivery.
Feel free to Rip, Chop, Change and slate my list, or even just disregard it altogether.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravhin (talk • contribs) 19:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think with what is happening to the article (rampant changes to reflect an editor's own leanings, revert wars, slurs, etc.) we should seriously consider not adding any examples at all.  I don't even know how much they really add to the article, and they just set the fire off for uncivil arguments and fruitless POV debates.  Vincent Valentine||talk to me! 14:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: i think some examples are good, however the fewer the better. Dead-or-Red (talk) 14:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't get me wrong, some examples would be nice, but take a look at the history of the page.  Pretty much the only edits are people adding players of the teams they support and removing rivals' players.  It's getting pretty redundant.  I thought maybe only using retired players might work, but then again if you dislike a particular team, you'll probably choose to substitute your own team's legend.  It's a tricky situation.  Vincent Valentine||talk to me! 15:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: personally one or two current players and one or two retired players are all that are needed, the lack of world class players from the past is a complete joke. Dead-or-Red (talk) 13:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit Anglo-centric at the moment - mostly English Premiership players. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beve (talk • contribs) 21:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and scrapped the whole list, as it's nothing but a source of POV and edit wars, and doesn't really help, I don't think.  I wouldn't be surprised if my edit is reverted though, and the edit wars wage on.  Everyone just wants their own examples, and thinks their particular player is a notable example.  I don't think there's anyway to reconcile this.  Vincent Valentine 17:00, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

text: David Bentley may be good example of a wide-midfielder, looks like the other areas have a few examples, however that one just has Beckham.Londo06 20:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we create a list of 5 players for each position and lock it. 

message: He's a great attacking midfielder, probably one of the best, but he isn't a box to box midfielder and his defencive work is done by Gilberto and Flamini.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravhin (talk) 20:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: hes not a box to box mdfielder, hes not even an attacking midfielder either to be honest. ive placed him in the central midfield section for now. Dead-or-Red (talk) 13:51, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cesc Fabregas is NOT an Box to Box midfielder! 

message: Probably deserves a separate section from Central midfielders, also "Due to their weaknesses in their defensive aspects, some have to be supported by holding midfielders." is a horrendous Generalisation. Many deep-lying play makers are also fairly good defensively as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel11901 (talk • contribs) 01:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deep lying playmaker 

message: I do think that a few examples add to the article and help to illustrate the point. That they may cause edit wars isn't really a good enough reason to remove them. Some of them were sourced and the others hopefully can be. I'm currently trying to improve the references throughout the article. Removing them all seems a bit drastic and probably shouldn't be done without some sort of consensus here. Beve (talk) 17:14, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see your point.  It's just that I've had the page on my watch list for several months now, and about 10 times a day, it seems, some fan of one team or another deletes their rival's players and substitutes his own.  I think the sourced ones should stay, only.  But that's just my opinion.  Best, Vincent Valentine 17:16, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit anglo-centric too, English Premier League players seem to dominate. Beve (talk) 17:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not saying that it's right, it's just not surprising given that this is the English wikipedia.  I'd love to see a nice, cohesive, referenced list that has a general consensus.  I just think that it'd be very difficult to achieve, and would still be subject to rampant IP tweaking.  Vincent Valentine 17:28, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think examples are a way to describe the attributes and characteristics to the positions we are looking to describe. CorleoneSerpicoMontana (talk) 21:52, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-add examples 

message: Defensive midfielders can play anywhere in midfield, even in an advanced position. Like we see with Gattuso quite often, the role is exactly the same no matter where it is played really, the main position though obviously protects the centrebacks more and is also deeper than the other midfielders, so is far more associated with it, hence the name. Managers often place them wherever the oppositions main attacking threat is though if the defender/s can't/don't cover him (excluding CF, some wingers, and some forwards) to lessen the impact they can have. Gattuso often plays on the right of midfield but probably only ever gets slightly higher up the pitch than when he's in the hole between defense and midfield. He just holds his position and gathers any scraps that need gathering and the team attacks through the middle with Kaka or to the left or slightly to the left with Seedorf, with Pirlo usually finding them or the strikers when possible with his great passing ability. With some teams you only need to stop one player and you've almost stopped the whole team, so they are very handy players to have. 
Milan are great to recognise several roles/player abilities and what they are used for or what the players are supposed to be good at for that position. Kaka is in one hole and is one of the best at it, if not the best, Gattuso or Ambrosini can go in the other and are top players and they also show DM's play in other positions sometimes, the same with CM's and AM's, Seedorf is a great attacking player from the left or centre and used to play on the right too and is often a little deeper, rather than getting right up, Cafu and others are some (or have been some) of the best fullbacks/wingbacks of recent times, Pirlo is one of the best deep lying play makers currently and that's before we even mention some strikers they have or have had, and their main defenders which is usually theirs and most other Italian teams best position/players! 
It's a great squad to study players, positions and tactics etc, as the manager only needs to move a couple of players and he has a whole new system/formation. Just like Man Utd can with the high wingers and then changing to a more 4 4 2, or the other way round, and it's the main reason they are as successful as they are, because they can mix it up and change things when needed so are less likely to fail. Milan can change to a far more narrow formation with attacking fullbacks/wingbacks in a blink of an eye, to a more 4 3 1 2 or 4 3 2 1 and another one or two, from a 4 4 2, 4 5 1, 4 4 1 1 or even 4 1 4 1. They even go to a more 4 1 2 1 2 with their current squad sometimes and can do these with just their first team. You just need to consider opposition, oppositions tactics,  who's playing against you and what they can do and your players can do before making decisions or changing things in-game even. Milan certainly have the players though as we have seen all the above take place or it's fact, and so the DM part needs a little added really to say they can play in other positions. Any ideas everyone or do you even agree? lol. Bob --90.203.114.86 (talk) 05:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defensive midfielder/holding player 

message: Considering Total Football there is no real distinction of players who play on one side. I find that most wingers tend to switch sides: having the strong-side on the outside are for roles that include crossing and passing into the center; weak-side are mainly roles that include diagonal runs into the center and having shots on goal. These roles alternate throughout the game, depending on the situation of play. However, these players do not like playing central as compared to playing on either widths. Also many wingers are ambidextrous, ruling out the need to state that they are either orthodox or unorthodox. (222.153.162.252 (talk) 10:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it's over-complicated and probably unnecessary. Beve (talk) 08:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: even in total football of Michels there where specific typical positions, in fact he played with Ajax with real classical wingers in Zwart (RW) and Keizer (LW), main treats of total football was that players covered positions if others moved into an other and that strikers had tasks in defending as well as defenders task in attack (defend as a team, attack as a team), illustrated well by Cruijff 'the first player in an attack is the goaly and the first defender is the central striker' ArieBombarie (talk) 05:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Orthodox Wingers

message: This is one of the worst articles I've ever read. The opening paragraphs seem to have been written by a child, there is no history explaining how any of these positions evolved, for example; wing halfs in the british game being the early basis of defensive midfielders. In the Italian game the libero evolved from playing behind the defence to in fornt of it. There is a clear bias towards British based players or ex British based players, although I notice that has been rectified a little. There are not enough mentions or examples of historical players, I cannot believe Michel Platini is not mentioned as possibly the greatest exponent of attacking midfield play. 
In short, there is little or no history involved in this article. I suggest someone who has studied the history of the world game re-writes this entire article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.9.240 (talk) 07:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree this is a mess, the terminology is a mess as well, it would be better to make a list of all used terms for roles and for characterise players. For example Rijkaard was an allround player, who played in his career; controlling midfielder, attacking midfielder, defensive midfielder, center back. Some positions might be out of style but had a function for example Libero the role Beckenbauwer played (if I am not mistaken a playmaker role before his defense) while a sweeper used to play behind his defenders.ArieBombarie (talk) 05:44, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The entire article reads like a how-to for a football manager computer game, not an explanation of how the positions evolved and function in real sport. 82.13.17.95 (talk) 06:30, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor article 

message: Deco is listed as a deep lying play maker in this article and a BBC article is quoted as a source, while the article does say he is a playmaker it makes no mention of him playing in a withdrawn role, I'm removing him from the list. Futhermore a section for advanced playmakers should be made, although this is referenced to in the attacking midfield section it seems that any player who has been tagged a playmaker has been put in the deep lying section, I'm leaving Xavi in there for the time being but only because I've seen him play both roles.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.151.226 (talk) 00:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deco/playmakers

message: The (association football) should be added as the first line contains a disambiguator for Australian rules football. I think this page should not redirect here as this is not an encyclopedia centered around football per say. The page should reflect that more than one type of sport uses a midfielder and match up with goalkeeper and defender. I would also like to float the question as to why this is considered a controversial move?--Lucy-marie (talk) 12:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not required.  This is the common usage so doesn't need disambiguation.  As you well know, if you make unilateral decisions like this, you should, at the very least, inform WP:FOOTBALL, even just as a courtesy.  Thanks.  The Rambling Man (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you please expalin your POV in more detail.?--Lucy-marie (talk) 17:22, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 99% of people searching for midfielder will be after the assoc. football version.  99% of people who talk about assoc. football call it.... football.  There's already a link to the Aussie rules version at the top of the page.  Moving this to (assoc football) will just create a redirect which will always be used in preference to someone typing in "midfielder (association football)".  Common usage.  No move required. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any statistical proof to back up this claim?--Lucy-marie (talk) 17:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you kidding?  Are you seriously suggested that Aussie Rules is as prevalent as football?  Over 700 million people watched the last World Cup Final (according to FIFA) - how many people watched the Aussie Rules final?  3.3m according to the AFL).  I think that speaks for itself. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:55, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  All I am also referring to the other sports which use the terminology and I am also attempting to match up the article titles, can you also explain how this is a controversial move?--Lucy-marie (talk) 17:59, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, can you compete with 715m viewers for premium competition finale?  Not a hope.  Midfielder refers to football in most cases, this is irrefutable.  So, the move is controversial because (a) it isn't required (b) a number of WP:FOOTBALL contributors disagree with your move (and methods) and (c) you didn't discuss it with anyone.  Enough now.  Move onto expanding the Wikipedia and being useful.  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am all for that if you move on to better things aswell.--Lucy-marie (talk) 18:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sweet, so stop moving these pages without consensus and we'll all be happy. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:08, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is this "we" you talk of it is just you and me and nobody else.--Lucy-marie (talk) 17:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Fine you can keep your views but you are wrong in this case just move on and let it go. I havn't "always been wrong" as you insist. Just shut up and move on.--Lucy-marie (talk) 17:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm wrong?  Can you substantiate that please?  The project thought you were wrong, I thought you were wrong, your proposed moves have all been rejected, your "bold" moves have all been reverted.  Get it? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see this talk [] regarding a merger and a page move.--Lucy-marie (talk) 17:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fascinating.  So now head to the relevant project and discuss your moves.  Chpprs! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: Time for the lecture, guys!
The position of winger was born with the 1-1-8, 1-2-7 and 2-3-5 formations.
1-2-7 formation
ONE DEFENDER
*1 full-back (center-back)
TWO MIDFIELDERS
*2 half-backs (left wing-half and right wing-half): The play-makers.
SEVEN FORWARDS
*2 wingers (outside left and outside right forwards): THEY WERE NEVER CONSIDERED "HALF-BACKS" (midfielders) because the played closer to the other forwards than to the half-backs. They would cross balls. A hard task as balls were heavier.
*2 inside forwards (inside left and inside right forwards): THEY WERE THE "PASSERS". They would carry the ball and pass it to a striker.
*3 strikers (left-center, center and right-center forwards): THEY HAD ZERO RESPONSIBILITIES CONCERNING PASSING. THEY HAD TO KICK AND SCORE! THEY WOULD NOT EVEN PASS THE BALL AMONG THEM!!! PLAY-MAKING WAS BLASPHEMY FOR THEM!!!
2-3-5 formation
TWO DEFENDERS
*2 full-backs (left and right back)
THREE MIDFIELDERS
*3 half-backs (left wing-half, center-half and right wing-half)
FIVE FORWARDS
*2 wingers (outside left and outside right forwards): The balls were still too heavy.
*2 inside forwards (inside left and inside right forwards)
*1 striker (center forward): Yeah, center forwards, AT THIS TIME, did not have to pass the ball or, even worse, "create" opportunities to score!!!
2-3-5 Danubian School formation
The lone striker was re-located a few meters backwards (TO ALIGN WITH THE WINGERS) and was NOT only given the responsibility of scoring but if, possible, pass it to the inside forwards which were deployed as strikers.
WHAT WIKIPEDIA CALLS A "CENTER FORWARD" WAS BORN.
George Rodney Maruri Game (talk) 23:57, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winger should be moved to the Forward article 

message: volante is midfielder, Spanish wiki wrote these is defensive volante and offensive volante, may be the terms just oppose to winger but not all volante equal to holding midfielder. Matthew_hk tc 17:35, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: volante

message: Shouldn't centre midfielder be renamed to central midfielder? It seems to be by far the most common name (Centre vs Central). doomgaze (talk) 12:53, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Change made. Cloudz679 16:39, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centre vs Central Midfielder 

message: Wingers = midfielders ??? This is crazy. For example C. Ronaldo is winger, which is also forward. Wingers are part of forward, not midfield. --82.139.5.13 (talk) 22:05, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTF 

message: I believe having a modest number of example players at each position increases the usefulness of this article to a lot of readers. However, we need to have some rational way of deciding who deserves to be included. My suggestion would be for editors to add a comment after each player's name with a short note justifying why they should be included.
Reasons for being notable could include: 
* playing in the most recent Champions League final
* playing in the most recent World Cup final
* being a past winner or multiple winner of the CL or WC
* having first-team status at one of the world's most popular clubs (Man Utd, Barcelona, Real Madrid, AC Milan, Juventus etc)
* having won or been placed highly in Ballon D'Or voting
* having been voted onto the FIFPro world team of the year
* having been named on the FIFA 100
* being a star player in one of the big 5 European leagues
We should not shy away from including players whose fame exceeds their quality. The more recognizable these example players are then the more useful this article will be.
As this is the English Wikipedia, we could also make a case for including some English, US, Australian and New Zealand players, or players from any other countries with large numbers of English speakers. Including women players would also be a good move.   RWyn (talk) 22:02, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
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message: I propose that Inverted winger be merged with Midfielder.
Inverted winger is a specilaised term within the context of Winger, which is actually described in both the Forward and Midfielder articles with the bulk of the text being in Midfielder. Regrdless of the debate on whether a winger is a forward or midfield position (short answer in my opinion: both/either), there appears to be no need for a fairly short artilce on a specific type of winger when this can easily be incorporated into the existing articles. 
:PS the overall 'what is a winger' debate is not helped by this article, which desribes the Inverted Winger position as that of a midfielder and states that Domenico Berardi is one of its best proponents - however a check of the player's article has him listed as a forward! Crowsus (talk) 13:43, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Support merging into the topic of wingers generally. As you correctly state, wingers can and have been classed as midfielders or forwards, so there's perhaps a case for a separate article on wingers generally, but that's another argument... Jellyman (talk) 17:49, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: Please stop removing the sourced information and images of female footballers; there are reliable sources, the photo includes a player who plays in this respective position, and if anything we need more female representation in association football pages on Wikipedia. Thank you.
Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 02:36, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, this is a perfectly appropriate form of representation to help counter WP:SYSTEMIC concerns. A single IP address has removed references to Rapinoe four times in the past month with no justification. Unless there is a clear reason to do so, this is disruptive editing. Jay eyem (talk) 05:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Female Representation on Wikipedia Association Football Pages 

message: Write short note on RIGHT;MIDD 103.52.255.19 (talk) 05:57, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
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message: The redirect Midfielder(association football) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Steel1943 (talk) 18:41, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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