Talk:Epworth Sleepiness Scale

message: e.g., longitude is measured in a cm scale but the instrument 
is a tape measure.
So, what is the epworth? scale or instrument?
Jclerman 19:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Epworth Sleepiness Scale" is the proper name I've seen used for it.  Check the references to see what proper names other use.  I think Wikipedia should document the verifiable proper name, and it doesn't matter that much whether the proper name matches or conflicts with some vocabulary. Now the thing this name refers to is probably (I guess) an instrument (a series of questions which a patient answers) which yields a result (a number) which is measured against a scale (one range of numbers indicates one severity of the condition, another range indicates another severity). Using this vocabulary in the article may make it clearer. --Jdlh  | Talk 19:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  scale or instrument ? 

message: i've removed the sentence:
* Note: The Epworth Sleepiness Scale is the intellectual property of Dr. Murray Johns and is protected under international copyright laws. See ESS Terms of Use for licensing information.
because it's vague and sounds more like an advertisement than anything else. Intellectual property is an oxymoron (self-contradiction) according to Richard Stallman and Johns does not make this claim anyway as far as i can see. Instead, he does seem to have a rather bad misunderstanding of copyright, unless by "ESS" he just means the particular document (the questionnaire). However, his 1991 article says that ESS is a method. The wording of ESS itself says that it is a scale. Copyright only limits copying of a text, not the copying of the ideas in the text or their application in some real world context. (Patents, trademarks and trade secrets cover different things to copyright.) If a researcher interviews some subjects and gives them an exact word-for-word copy of Johns' original text, then that would (IMHO, but IANAL) be a copyright violation. On the other hand, if a researcher reads Johns' original text and then writes a test which has the same basic idea and method (just one question with eight situations and a scale from 0 to 3) with independent wording, then that would be perfectly OK with respect to copyright. Cases in between would depend how much the text is "necessary to express the idea" rather than "arbitrary, aspects of style". In any case, this is getting off the topic in terms of what we can/should put in the wikipedia article.
Secondly, i've removed the quotation of the questionnaire itself, since it is clearly more than a brief quotation, which would be allowable under the fair use criterion. A full quote is not a brief quote.
i suspect that someone thought that by paraphrasing Johns' rather strange copyright statement, it would be OK to copy the text of the questionnaire. AFAIK, that doesn't help at all, especially in this case where Johns clearly views his text as a copyrighted text rather than a text that is de facto part of the public domain since it is intended for scientific use.
In any case, i've added an external link to the questionnaire itself.
Anyway, i need some sleep :P, otherwise i might have to fill out the questionnaire... Boud (talk) 23:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright issues 

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message: Just wanted to let you know that the second listing under the "References" section returns a 404 (page not found).  Thanks. 174.21.134.121 (talk) 06:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
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