Portal talk:China/Archive 1

message: Hmmm, what is the difference between
:#redirect Wikipedia:Wikiportal/People's Republic of China
and
:
? I find it interesting that the second form even works, since it isn't really a template.
Of course editing won't work as expected with the second form, yes that must be it. -MarSch 14:35, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: Dear all, I just started a new page named List of Chinese inventions to have a centralized, verified resource for all major inventions/discoveries by Chinese. Please join me to make it better and link it!
Thanks! --Leo 08:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of Chinese inventions]] 

message: I don't think it's a good idea to include subportals here that don't exist yet, especially since there is a formal process we have to go through to propose portals and get them approved (Wikipedia:Portal/Proposals).  Ideogram 17:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subportals 

message: This discussion is taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China#China portals consistency.  Ideogram 12:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal consistency discussion moved 

message: An article about ACSIP, a Canadian organization for ethnic-Chinese IT people, has been nominated for deletion, in part because of a lack of verifiable sources. If you can expand the article, perhaps with the help of verifiable Chinese-language sources, or create articles about some other groups mentioned in the article, that would be good. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 20:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[ACSIP]] 

message: This color is horrendous.  Can you please explain why you changed it?  --Ideogram 01:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Color 

message: Maybe I'm just missing something totally obvious, but what (aside from the red/yellow color issue) are the substantive points that are in dispute here?  Kirill Lokshin 04:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At this time my biggest objection is the use of browsebarcountry.  --Ideogram 05:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're probably right here; the links from  are pretty useless here, as they lead mostly to category redirects or what appear to be basically unused categories.  It's not a template that was intended for a topic of this nature. Kirill Lokshin 05:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I invited you here for your objective opinion on how to make a better portal, and your opinion of me is irrelevant, as long as it does not affect your objectivity.  Note that I have not touched any part of the Portal since AQu01rius started editing, precisely because I wish to avoid an edit war.  --Ideogram 05:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't "invite" anyone here; this page is not your house or property or even your individual work, but a page on Wikipedia open to all. I also didn't offer an opinion of you, but of your behavior all over this talk page, which is a textbook example of page ownership, and that's before we address your personal attacks against Aqu01rius. You should consider taking a step away from this particular page for a while if you can't discuss matters with another editor without calling him a "goddamned newbie" and a "little high school punk." | Mr. Darcy talk 04:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are a little out of date.  The issue is settled, as far as I am concerned.  --Ideogram 04:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Substantive dispute? 

message: The tiny font in the China topics box is unreadable.  --Ideogram 06:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, all topics section display that like that. Portal:Germany/Topics, Portal:United_States/Topics, Portal:Australia/Topics, Portal:India/Topics, Portal:Indonesia/Topics, Portal:Latin_America/Topics and goes on. It's the proper format :) AQu01rius (User • Talk) 07:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "I don't think consistency should be a primary concern here".  Does anyone else have an opinion?  --Ideogram 17:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Small font is usually needed when the list of topics grows to a certain (large) size; whether that'll happen here, I don't know. Kirill Lokshin 18:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Font 

message: I am sick and tired of AQu01rius' snide and demeaning comments.  You're a little high school punk new to Wikipedia, and I have had it up to here with your attitude.  Read WP:CIVIL.  --Ideogram 19:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm?  I have no idea what you're talking about, but the personal attacks are frankly unacceptable. Kirill Lokshin 19:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Every thing I have said about him is factual, except for "punk", which I apologize for.  --Ideogram 19:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That a personal attack is true doesn't justify it in the least.  I would suggest that, if you're not willing to maintain some minimal level of civility, it might be best for you to take a break from editing this portal. Kirill Lokshin 19:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't think he violated WP:CIVIL, I think he did.  I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree.  --Ideogram 19:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civility 

message: Don't get me wrong, he has done some great work and is continuing to do great work.  But I think he needs to demonstrate an ability to work with others.  --Ideogram 19:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This talk page is for the Portal about China. Irrelevant issues should be addressed on talk pages =) I would recommend some maturity though, as this is a public encyclopedia. Cheers AQu01rius (User • Talk) 19:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That maturity crack is exactly the kind of thing that will get you in trouble with short-tempered editors.  And there are a lot of short-tempered editors here.  --Ideogram 19:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AQu01rius 

message: That redlink under Portal is almost certainly not what you want.  --Ideogram 20:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are Wikipedia:Requested_articles. If they are not red-linked, the article exists and they are therefore not requested articles :) AQu01rius (User • Talk) 20:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Portal: Fill in anniversaries, update Did you know?, suggest Portal:China/Selected articles and pictures/Selected articles and pictures" -- is that what you want?  --Ideogram 20:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tasks you can do 

message: This is for anyone that wants to help out on the Anniversaries section.
1. Visit the Portal:China/Anniversaries page and pick a month. 
2. Click on the red link dates. Use "anniversaries on English Wikipedia" to help you on filling in the content.
3. Try to add a image.
Tip: When searching through the "anniversaries on English Wikipedia", filter the search to "Chin" to find China-related anniversaries quickly.
By the time we have all dates filled up, this portal should be ready to be submitted to the Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates for review. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 22:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The anniversaries section should be all dates prior to the establishment of the Republic of China. For ROC and PRC anniversaries, those should go on their respective portal pages not on this geography portal. — Nrtm81 20:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anniversaries 

message: This is an invite to everyone to vote for the theme color of Portal:China. If you prefer another color please add it below and sign your name with four tilde marks. This will be a general concensus. Please respect the majority vote as the accepted theme color for this portal. Note that the portal is a geography portal, NOT a political portal.
Try not to edit other people's comments directly, even to insert things they have said elsewhere.  It is confusing.  --Ideogram 21:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Red is used by the ROC as well. Red does not have to mean communism or PRC. It is abundant in Chinese culture. Yellow however, has little connection to Chinese culture except "gold" and it was reserved only for the Emperor. Plus, it's ugly on the portal. The only reason China became a neutral geography portal was over the ROC/PRC issue. I've already noted that anniversaries on Portal:China should not include either ROC/PRC events as that violates NPOV. — Nrtm81 23:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Red has a strong association with communism that is recognized the world over, not just among those with knowledge of China. In the United States, and perhaps in other English-speaking countries, the PRC was widely known as "Red China" for at least 25 years after the communists' takeover. The connection between "red" and "communism" is much more widely recognized than the connection between "red" and "Chinese culture," despite the strength of the latter. | Mr. Darcy talk 00:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text:  I know the significance of red, but do we expect foreign readers to be aware of that as much as us (Chinese)? The average viewer will associate  red  with the communism.
I do not "prefer"  yellow , but talking with some foreign viewers, I have a impression that a lot of them associate China historically with yellow dragon. If there's an better alternative colour, that would be great. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 01:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the yellow theme takes getting used to (I already am fine with it, since I changed my vote). It certainly looks better than the theme colors used in China portals of the French, Russian version. Also, now that AQu01rius mentioned it, the red color CAN be misleading to visitors since they might directly think the portal is about the PRC. The yellow color distracts this biased thought and draws sharper attention to the disambiguation text at the top. This is just how I see it though. — Nrtm81 19:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree that red could lead to the wrong conclusions. Yellow or gold seem like more "neutral" colors, though it may bring back memories of the ancient monarchies. –-  kungming·2 (Talk) 07:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Well... I don't really think it's a article material. It may end up with a merge tag as the significance of Red in Chinese culture is explained in the Red article. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 02:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vote on Portal:China theme color 

message: # — Nrtm81 19:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Red

message: # - AQu01rius (User • Talk) 21:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yellow

message: See the China Portal in French Wikipedia for more detail. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 01:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Both

message: Light Golden Yellow, See Russian Wikipedia for example. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 02:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Other

message: See :Category:Chinese Wikipedians user boxes for example. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 19:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gold

message: As noted by Nrtm81, this portal is a geography portal, not a political portal. For anyone that's using China portals in other language as a reference, please note that most of them combines geography and politics together.AQu01rius (User • Talk) 21:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Red is used by the ROC as well. Red does not have to mean communism or PRC. It is abundant in Chinese culture. Yellow however, has little connection to Chinese culture except "gold" and it was reserved only for the Emperor. Plus, it's ugly on the portal. The only reason China became a neutral geography portal was over the ROC/PRC issue. I've already noted that anniversaries on Portal:China should not include either ROC/PRC events as that violates NPOV. — Nrtm81 23:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Red has a strong association with communism that is recognized the world over, not just among those with knowledge of China. In the United States, and perhaps in other English-speaking countries, the PRC was widely known as "Red China" for at least 25 years after the communists' takeover. The connection between "red" and "communism" is much more widely recognized than the connection between "red" and "Chinese culture," despite the strength of the latter. | Mr. Darcy talk 00:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text:  I know the significance of red, but do we expect foreign readers to be aware of that as much as us (Chinese)? The average viewer will associate  red  with the communism.
I do not "prefer"  yellow , but talking with some foreign viewers, I have a impression that a lot of them associate China historically with yellow dragon. If there's an better alternative colour, that would be great. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 01:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the yellow theme takes getting used to (I already am fine with it, since I changed my vote). It certainly looks better than the theme colors used in China portals of the French, Russian version. Also, now that AQu01rius mentioned it, the red color CAN be misleading to visitors since they might directly think the portal is about the PRC. The yellow color distracts this biased thought and draws sharper attention to the disambiguation text at the top. This is just how I see it though. — Nrtm81 19:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree that red could lead to the wrong conclusions. Yellow or gold seem like more "neutral" colors, though it may bring back memories of the ancient monarchies. –-  kungming·2 (Talk) 07:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Well... I don't really think it's a article material. It may end up with a merge tag as the significance of Red in Chinese culture is explained in the Red article. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 02:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Since this is a geography-only portal, it does not make sense to have the page in the exact same style to the Portal:People's Republic of China. However, we can place the red color differently. Click here for example 1
Or we can use the red header for just the disambiguation text. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 19:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good, you should change it. Artaxiad 16:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal color 

message: The CJK stoke order project already provide about one and half thousand Stroke order images. The project is the only one on the web to provide such stroke order images in all the 3 stroke order schools: Traditional, Simplified, and Japanese. All this under free licences.
This is done with an high quality, which allow users to use those images for stroke order teaching/learning, and for calligraphic teaching/learning as well. Images are already use by several wikiversity and Wikibooks, and also use by the free HanDeDict dictionary.
We already had set up our protocols, a Stroke order article, and a 214 radicals page to allow every graphist to join us and contribute.
We also have an historical approach, encouraging to expand the Ancient Chinese characters co-project.
;Give us an hand...
All this large graphic task is currently take only by an hand of 4 French users, one Japanese, one English user who upload some image each week, and we need further graphic help. Japanese graphists are especially welcome to join or to set up a new Japanese team.
All volunteers are encourage to contribute first to expand the 214 radicals. Each English contributers and Each upload is Welcome !. Yug (talk) 14:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Commons:Category:CJK stroke order|CJK stroke order project]] need graphists contributers 

message: Dose This Sound Like An Ok Idea???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 02:24, 20 April 2007 Winn3317 (Talk  (talk • contribs)  contribs)
: Sounds okay to me. Enough potential coverage. AQu01rius (User • Talk) 04:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds Good, The Coverage is good enough for a portal, I hope that this idea can be done soon...  mastertkwMastertkw 13:08, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three Kingdoms Portal 

message: Currently there is a move request for Goguryeo-China Wars to be moved to Military history of Goguryeo. Please vote and offer your opinion on the subject here Talk:Goguryeo-China wars, thanks. Good friend100 23:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Goguryeo-China Wars]] 

message: Why BCE.New4325 02:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: BCE

message: A discussion about most of the Current events subportals has been opened at Miscellany for deletion. You are invited to participate in discussing the fate of these subportals.  --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current events subportals MfD 

message: A quick and simple question, how frequently is the China Portal updated, and who is in charge of doing so (as in management)? Thanks, -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs  12:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates 

message: Large scale copy edit need please ! This article will potentially become a Feature article after spelling and grammar correction, I'm French, help please ! Yug (talk) 23:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Chinese involvement in Africa]] 

message: Hello!
Can somebody help with identifying this airport in China? I forgot where this was. Thanks! --High Contrast (talk) 14:00, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unknown airport in China 

message: I have nominated Republic of China (ROC) portal for deletion at WP:MFD. Please comment here for any concerns. Thanks, JJ98 (Talk) 21:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Republic of China portal is up for deletion 

message: Where can I get other census results 1940-90 years with ethnic population? And data of ethnic composition in 2010 census?--Kaiyr (talk) 13:47, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Other census results

message: Where can I get census results 2010 year of People's Republic of China with ethnic population?--Kaiyr (talk) 02:37, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  census results 2010

message: How many Yi, Han, miao etc are in Qujing, Zhaotong?--Kaiyr (talk) 10:43, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yunnan 

message: Where I get ethnic composition of China prefectures and counties by cencus?--Kaiyr (talk) 10:53, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ethnic composition of China prefectures and counties 

message: Where I find list of Former Ethnic townships of the People's Republic of China?--Kaiyr (talk) 08:04, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former Ethnic townships of the People's Republic of China 

message: "This photo was taken in or around Longsheng Rice Terrace, in a village called Tiantouzhai. Does anyone know which ethnic group this woman belongs? Could she be Hmong? Or another sub-group of the Miao people? Or perhaps she is Yao? Any help in working this out would be great". (The question is on behalf of another Wikipedian) --Seleucidis (talk) 08:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help needed 

message: Hi! Could you find Number of yao, dong and yi people by county of PRC like there: Miao_people#By_county ?--Kaiyr (talk) 14:32, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of ethnic by county of PRC 

message: How many Ethnic Villages in China?--Kaiyr (talk) 18:27, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic Villages 

message: Did nothing happen on 17 June?
:Created it already. JJ98 (Talk) 09:02, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  17 June 

message: If we're going to keep our two China portals distinct from eatch-other, then I would suggest that this portal be our main China portal, whereas the PRC one be more about the PRC historical period, i.e. China 1949–present. Right now the PRC one states "This portal is for the politics, government, and economy of the People's Republic of China. For the people, history, culture, and geography of China, please see Portal:China.". I doubt any other country portals have that type of division, and it may have made sense when we had two separate PRC and China articles, but to mantian that same old two china article system in portal space is WP:LOCALCONCENSUS. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 03:50, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In the absence of any objections I'll go ahead with this. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 21:56, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distinction form [[Portal:People's Republic of China]] 

message: I noticed that two IP users simplified the coding of this portal, reducing it from two columns to one. Since the edits were tagged as "mobile" I assume this was a good faith attempt to make the portal display neatly on a mobile device. I've undone those edits and instead switched the portal to use the latest CSS classes. I *hope* the portal now displays reasonably on a mobile device. Mine is too primitive to display web pages at all... -- John of Reading (talk) 08:58, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite for mobile 

message: In today's selected article on  Yao Ming, the basketball player, it is mentioned that he is the subject of a documentary film.  "Documentary film" appears in blue, and is an html "anchor" to another article.
 
This article is not about the film featuring Yao Ming.  It is about the subject of documentary films.
 
Sigh.
 
David Lloyd-Jones (talk) 23:42, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anchor to "Documentary Film." 

message: Since this is the China portal and not the PRC portal, the flag and emblem of the current PRC government should not be used. 'China' has encompassed many countries over many years with many different flags and emblems, the current communist flag has only been used since 1949. A map of China might be more appropriate. - 80.111.159.148 (talk) 23:50, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag and Emblem change 

message: Hello reader! I am trying to make a worthwhile change to the Template talk:Infobox Province of China (PRC) Infobox template- adding the category "|HighestPoint =". Do you know anyone that edits infoboxes that can help me add this to the Province of China Infobox? Thanks for any help. Geographyinitiative (talk) 12:13, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  adding the category "|HighestPoint ="