Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Bethesda/Archive 1

message: I suggest that all TES-related articles are tagged in the following way: 
* Category:The Elder Scrolls is applied to every article, so all of them can be easily accessed. 
* Each article has one specific sub-category, with certain exceptions.
* Sub-sub-categories, like Category:Great Houses of Vvardenfell should be avoided if they are obvious. Categories like Category:Regions of Vvardenfell are still needed, though.
* Category Lore could be replaced with more specific categories. History is one of them. However, I'm not sure how to categorize some articles like Corprus.
What do you think about each of this, and what other suggestions do you have?
CP/M 00:04, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I second these suggestions. As newer games in the series spring into existence it's probable that more and more content will be found on Wikipedia (i.e. more editors will add more info on creatures featured in Morrowind and (eventually) Oblivion than Arena and & Daggerfall), thus this project should also discuss notability issues and in some instances apply self-censorship. This in order to avoid that which some would call/label fancruft. My thoughts, Scoo 08:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I definitly agree with the first suggestion. It's sometimes hard to find TES related articles when they're hidden in subcategories. The second and third suggestions also make good sense. As for the Lore category at the moment it's kind of a catch all for thing that don't fit well elsewhere. It's problematic but I don't think creating sub-categories of it will help much. --Dv82matt 01:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, seems that it finds support, so I'll start changing articles to add TES category to them. The Great Houses category will be removed, as Organizations category isn't overcrowded.CP/M 15:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: I've replied in a separate section, as it forms another discussion. It's quite hard to define notability of subjects in a fictional universe in common terms. I think of a such definition: A subject is notable if one can write a good article about it. For instance, Corprus is notable, with all the discussions about it, but a daedric longsword isn't, as there's not much to write about. Artifacts probably are on the edge. For creatures it's a common practice in some games to create a separate article for each, but merging related subjects, like "House Dagoth servants" or "Corprus beasts" makes sense.
Speaking about mods, rules have to be different: just an average review would form an article. I suggest the following:
* A. If the mod has been published standalone or as the main feature on a *printed* CD (DVD), it's notable. Magazine disks count, as they already check notability. An good example is Wizards' Isles. 
* B. If the mod has a good quality and features a global storyline or is a total conversion, it fits. A good example is Sword of Perithia (almost another game) or The Black Mill.
* C. If the mod is very famous among *players* (not only modders), it fits. An example is Giants. Real Signposts is actually also notable, but there's not much to say about it; it could form a section in a common article.
Other criteria or restrictions may apply as well, suggestions are welcome.
CP/M 16:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess there's no controversy, so I'll copy it to the project page. CP/M 15:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: I've set up a TES wiki over at http://teswiki.ws/ and would like to get some of you to help expand and improve it - it could be a much better resource for players and those interested in lore than wikipedia... ℑilver§ℑide 19:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there something different from UESP there? I don't mean to criticize, but it just seems a little redundant. Anyway, I guess it's a good place for articles that doesn't meet WP NPOV and notability criterias. BTW, what are the terms of use? CP/M 15:08, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Notice at the bottom, CC-SA-AT, as all our sites. What do you mean? We're not at all like UESP - we're oblivion only. Regardless of the name lol, because we originally intended to be all TES, then saw UESP. ℑilver§ℑide 21:49, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, clear. But both sites are very slow compared to Wikipedia, so dividing would reduce accessibility, it would be better to have all notable information both here and on specialized sites. CP/M 22:16, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External work

message: daedric armor:
(if you are doing the storyline, don't do this unless you are done with him.)
In Tel Fyr, Divayth Fyr has all but a helmet and shield.
in one of the towers at ghostgate there is a daedric mask of terror.
sakvild the raven at dagon fel has the masque of clavicus vile
Lords Armor:
there is a hidden door at ebonheart in the imperial shrine area (lv 100 lock)to an area with a guy with the armor(the guy is a rebel).
lots of ebony and weapons+some:
rob the vaults at vivec (dont worry about the price, join the thieves guild, drop your money and talk about price on head
talking statues:
|||sheogorath:st. delyn canalworks
|||molag bal:bal ur
|||malacanth:yassimidan
|||azura:azura's coast above tel branora
please comment on my work :(
:It probably should go to Wikibooks, as a part of game hints.CP/M 22:18, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just so you know, the Lord's Mail is part of a quest, not a secret. --Niroht 20:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  secrets on xbox 

message: I created a userbox for the project. Tell me what you think. (Note: The image is in the public domain, so it is allowed to use on userboxes. Click on the image for more info.)
--Evan Robidoux 00:30, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Black background doesn't look well; using a scroll for background would be better, as it's much more distinguishable than just text. I suggest to do it that way, to have a recognizeable picture. CP/M 14:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll get around to it by the 20th. Sorry for the wait. I've been very busy with school these past few weeks. --Evan Robidoux 19:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

text: UPDATE: Sorry about the slight delay. I will definitely have it finished by today. --Evan Robidoux 20:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Posted on the Project Page. CP/M 01:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Hobbies WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Titoxd(?!? - help us) 05:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team|Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team]] cooperation

message: The Template:WPTES should be used on WP-related articles reqiuiring attention. It might need some editing, though. CP/M 22:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WP Template

message: In case anyone isn't yet aware there are a whole raft of TES related articles being nominated for deletion. It looks like the consensus there is to merge many of the articles. --Dv82matt 14:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I knew it will happen someday. I'll post there, and inform people on main TES games talk pages so they can participate in discussion now. As the decision should be made quickly, I propose the following:
* All animals will be merged.
* Artifacts in question will be merged in The Elder Scrolls Artifacts. Daedric ones stay separated.
* Emperors will be merged in Emperors of Tamriel, Septim Dynasty, or similar-named article.
* Almalexia is notable enough and requires a separate article.
* Daedric Princes will stay, as already encompassing multiple characters.
* Other characters will be merged.
P.S. Well, and it resolves the template question.
CP/M 16:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Just make suggestions, this is only a rough overview of situation, not taking into account many details. CP/M 17:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay. Why are Daedric artifacts staying separated? They may be notable, but if there's going to be an artifacts list why not include them? --Niroht 17:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's not necessary, but, looking from in-game point, daedric artifacts are somewhat different. Unlike others, they are artifacts not because of their history, but just because they were created by the daedra. The second reason is just that the article might become too long, if it lists all of them together - there's a lot of them. CP/M 18:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In support of the proposed policy. Perhaps one list of "normal" artifacts and one of daedric/legendary ones. Scoo 21:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I've gone ahead and created Artifacts of The Elder Scrolls to get us started on this, so please be bold in improving it. In particular it currently lacks a lead section. --Dv82matt 08:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elder Scrolls-related articles]]

message: I think a list and synopsis of the episodic content available for Oblivion would be a very good idea for an article.  It would also be nice to document the reactions to the idea of Episodic content there too.  I'd seperate this from the main Oblivion article myself as that is already way to long. - Hahnchen 02:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Plugins 

message: Hi all.  I've closed the AFD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elder Scrolls-related articles).  As it was so complex, I figured I'd summarise for you here.  The verdict seemed to be merge all the groups (e.g. characters, items, animals) into their own articles, except Almalexia.  But also to put everything on a subpage of this project first.  There should also be a lot of GameFAQS stuff removed, as Wikipedia isn't a how-to guide, etc, etc.  Good luck! Proto||type 08:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFD 

message: About Kwama - it just doesn't seem right to merge them with other creatures. Kwama in Morrowind are not just animals, but have important economic use, with egg mines all across the island. It's covered in the article. So, I suggest to make it a separate article, and merge scribs into them. This is more directed to TijuanaBrass. CP/M 23:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kwama

message: User:Caerwine has proposed to rename  to . Please share your opinion. --Koveras  07:48, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to keep the current one. It's much easier to write "TES-stub" than "ElderScrolls-stub." --Evan Robidoux 00:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub renaming proposal 

message: I've been working on merging several related articles at User:Dv82matt/sandbox(now at Major regions of The Elder Scrolls. But they wern't part of the afd so I thought I'd check to see what everyone here thinks before creating it. Dv82matt 08:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And the old articles will be turned into redirects? --Koveras  08:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, except for Nirn and Tamriel. Dv82matt 09:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. Merge. As long as no information is deleted, I couldn't care less about the way to store it... :) --Koveras  09:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. But Battlespire also could be added, and I suggest placing cosmology sections above Nirn for better consistency.CP/M 22:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major Regions of The Elder Scrolls

message: I've merged all the Septim articles but it still really needs work. I'd appreciate someone familiar with the lore going through it to make corrections and improvements. Dv82matt 02:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding similarity to the UESP could you provide some examples. From what I could tell they seemed sufficiently different but I only looked at a couple of instances and may not have been looking in the right place to begin with. As to the numbering anomaly I'm not familiar with the lore but in the absence of an explanation I think it's pretty safe to "fix" it (good catch by the way). Dv82matt 21:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Re: Entries here and on the UESP: In particular, I noticed that Antiochus' entry is similar to his entry on this page (and there are a few similarities with Pelagius III and Katariah). However, I just checked out the in-game book A Brief History of the Empire on The Imperial Library, and it seems that the entires here and on the UESP are both derived from that, so it's probably due to sparse source material. I added an External link to the page. Re: the count of rulers: I just updated that. CrystallinEntity 07:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay yeah, I see what you mean. It is pretty blatant. We're going to have to substantially reword or remove the copied parts. Even moreso since they were taken from an in game book which is certainly protected by copyright, rather than from another wiki. Dv82matt 13:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that Bethesda not only never said anything against fan sites that have fiction from TES games published, but even provided links to them, and currently publishes some material from TES, I feel that in this case copyright paranoia isn't necessary. The article mostly contains just short factual data on Septim dynasty, with no particularly detailed or artistic writing, and rewording won't have much sense. I don't mind if someone does that, just mentioning this isn't necessary. CP/M 21:30, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Septim bloodline]]

message: Please leave the WP:CVG banner on the talk pages. They automatically classify an article for the Wikipedia 1.0 project. If you could put  back on any pages that they have been removed from, that would be appreciated. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 07:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  banners 

message: Another article that merges several existing articles. Just thought I'd let everyone know before I start redirecting articles (mostly stubs) to it. Dv82matt 05:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A suggestion: let's move all the race stats there, in form of a table. I think Dunmer should stay as a separate article, being a major subject in Morrowind. CP/M 23:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sound good to me. Dv82matt 21:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Races of The Elder Scrolls]]

message: Should we, as a general rule, put the images from the articles being merged into the new articles?
*Weak Yes CWC(talk) 06:45, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crude poll re images 

message: I suggest we add in a general catch all factions page. This will negate the need of an extensive amount of individual stub articles for things like the orders (such as those of Diagna), different guilds, knightly orders, etc. I think the Septim bloodline page was done excellently, and that and this page were the things that got me thinking about this. Just food for thought, if I get a second and third I'll start going at this, but I didn't want to just start reformating a major portion of the project.
Also, I think that the regions of Vvardenfell need to be deleted, as the actual article Vvardenfell has just copied what was in all of the original articles in the first place.
In general, I think the main problem we should fix now is not adding information, but instead it's better navigation.
Galactor213 1:30, July 10 2006 (UTC) 
: If you mean merging all factions, I don't think it would be good. The guilds look just fine now, with general and game info, and this is surely the way they should be like (except lack of Daggerfall info). Great houses also deserve own articles. However, since TES4 introduced too shortly described and not really significant factions, they generally would look better merged. I'm not sure this is essential, though, as "Oblivion factions" (or different named) article would have to address full-size factions. CP/M 00:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just created Organizations of The Elder Scrolls, (I'd been working on it for awhile) which is probably pretty much what you had in mind. Dv82matt 01:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Regarding the regions of Vvardenfell articles I agree, although some may still have content that needs to be merged into Vvardenfell before being redirected. Dv82matt 01:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Consolidating

message: I just created this article merging several related settlement articles. I'll start redirecting the affected articles to it soon. Dv82matt 01:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Settlements of Morrowind]]

message: I'd like a vote on how many people think there should be an article for the Ashblight. As a major part of Morrowind, I think it should be included and could probably make a good article of it, but what do you people think, and should the title Ashblight be sufficient? --Niroht 02:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer an article named Diseases of Morrowind (or somesuch) which would incorporate Corprus, Blight and regular diseases into one article. —dv82matt 18:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was thinking more of the ashblight as an entity, as in ashstorms and the decidedly different version of Blight that maddens and strengthens animals. --Niroht 19:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably it would look not very good if we mix up Corprus, Blight and other diseases, as they are quite different, though Blight could be, generally, merged with generic diseases. In any case, I suggest to be bold and create it - we can merge the text with other articles later if it becomes needed. CP/M comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 19:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ashblight 

message: I just added the project box that I found lurking around on the alk articles for the various games and compulsively added it to every talk page relating to the game. Given that this project seems to be involved with the minutiae of lore surrounding the games as much as the games themselves, I thought it appropriate. If anyone objects, I could undo it all. Just asking. Geuiwogbil 01:52, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the right thing to do. I didn't add it first to wait until the project becomes established enough, but now it's time. I'll add it to some more articles soon. CP/M comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 02:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can that project box be fixed? It seems to be....something. Horizontally challenged or....somthing. --Niroht 15:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, just edit the Template:WPTES page, or descibe what's specifically wrong. CP/M comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 15:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Got it. It just depends on browser, so seemed OK to me. I'll try to fix it now. CP/M comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 21:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Boxes 

message: I suggest we get rid of most templates and stay with only a few or just one. It causes some inconsistency and also complicates maintenance. The only ones acceptable, except the main, might be ones that give more detailed categorization. Any opinions? CP/M comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 02:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template unification 

message: I'm wondering if there were any articles or sections of articles yet for vampires and werewolves in the Elder Scrolls series. I was looking through the ES section and haven't found them. My reasoning is that if we don't have them yet, perhaps they can be included in the  polphyric hemophilia and sanies lupinus articles. I've been working on the polphyric hemophilia article and there isn't that much more I can add about the disease itself, but it could be expanded to a good size if the vampire information was slotted in there. 
If there was later a Diseases of Elder Scrolls article written they could be combined into there if needed, or at least linked. I don't agree with a Diseases of Morrowind article though, because most of them are repeated in Oblivion. Morgrim 12:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For now, no. Yes, it would be a nice idea to include them into Porphyric Hemophilia, pretty mucl like corprus beasts are included in Corprus. We considered a Diseases of Elder Scrolls article, but these diseases are too specific - in fact, Corprus and Hemophilia can hardly be called diseases at all. Blight and common diseases could be merged, but it would border on trivial information. So for now we keep separate articles for them. CP/M comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 22:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vampires and Werewolves 

message: Black Marsh has been named a Good Article! Geuiwogbil 21:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although not timely, congratulations! You did good work on this article and it has been recognized. Good luck in the future. CP/M comm |Wikipedia Neutrality Project| 21:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not-so Anonymous Contributions 

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thread_title:  Project Directory 

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thread_title:  Stablepedia