Talk:Hershey Bears

message: Finished and transfered to article. ccwaters 13:00, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year-by-Year Scratch 

message: Ok... there's been a few random contributions to the article from obvious Hershey followers. Please add factually correct history info in the "History " section. That is what it is there for. Please. The fact that there's nothing there is a travesty. This storied hockey team deserves more than that and it deserves more than random POV/misleading drive-by contributioms. Maybe the booster club could help? ccwaters 23:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 1) No one "owns" or has rights to any article. 2) Keep it encyclopedic. Naming every town within 40 miles is pointless. Futhermore, including the Bears in categories for such towns is misleading. 3) I looked at the Lancaster paper. No Bears articles. 4) Colors are not proper names. Don't capitalize them. 5) Don't plagarize. ccwaters 01:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Random edits

message: For one the names of colors in every other professional team on this site are capitalized.  I did not plagerize, as I put the history in my own words.  Your version does not even tell much of the history at all.  If no one owns articles, then why do you take it upon yourself to revert back to your version when changes are made.  I will report this if you continue.  Everyone has the right to change info on this site.  Also look at the GIANT Center's capacity, as it matches the population of the town of Hershey.  There's no way the AHL would place a team in a location unless it had a population of at least 200,000.  That is why I incorporated the other cities in the area, because it is our team.  I gather that you are not from PA and therefore do not know anything regarding this.  Stick to your own local teams and I will stick to mine.  Also if you look at lancasteronline.com, the Lancaster Newspapers site, then you will find 152 articles about the Hershey Bears in Local News.
: I don't see "the names of colors in every other professional team on this site are capitalized". I admit there are a handful with some poor style choices. Please don't propagate them further. 
:Compare your edit to the official site's history write up. Taking someone else's copy and changing a few words around is still plagiarism. I encourage you to contribute truely original content to the article.
:I fully aware of the size of the town of Hershey. Every team draws from the surrounding metropolitan area, not just specifically the host city. Call it the "Harrisburg metro area" or as the Census officially calls it Harrisburg-Carlisle metro. Listing every nearby town is needless. 200K is the minimum? Recent additions include Binghamton (45k), Peoria (112k), Worcester (175k).
:Check your 152 results at the lancaster paper: there's actually only 3 unique articles related to Hershey Bears dating back to 11/25/2005. Its doesn't seem like a great source for info on the bears. Why send interested readers on a goose chase?
: Where I reside has nothing to do with this. This isn't some turf war. Check out WP:HOCKEY ccwaters 18:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Beyond that, CC is one of our local AHL experts (I'm another, for my sins), and he has done a great deal of work creating viable team pages for many minor league teams.  I certainly endorse his presentation of Wikipedia's rules, and think you should consider simmering down a bit.  You don't "own" the Bears' article any more than I "own" the Falcons' or Indians' articles.  Ravenswing 19:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not questioning your intentions. I think we can all say the Bears deserve something more like this article: Springfield Indians. That, however, is no excuse to plagiarize their website content. An entire book was written about them: I'm sure you can whip up some original copy if you tried. ccwaters 20:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: ccwaters why is it that you keep deleting my article about the 2006 playoffs and calder cup championship?
: I'd venture to suggest he gave his reason when he put in "Ok... the past three months have more copy than the previous 70 years... can we develop that a little more first??"  It's a valid criticism; for a professional hockey team of the Bears' lineage to have such a scanty article is a disgrace.  I'd write one myself if I was comfy enough with my knowledge to do so (as, plainly, I was with the Springfield Indians and Springfield Falcons articles), but if we don't get something going I might do so anyway.  Ravenswing 05:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006 Playoffs Article 

message: Hopefully I will be able to help this article and answer questions since I am a native of Hershey and a Bears fan..
Here is what I need help with, mostly the 1987-88 season has been talked about due to the fact that they held the team's total points record, 105. See here:http://www.hersheypa.com/events/hershey_bears/pdf/weekly_release/mar26.pdf
Left hand side, under "More History on the Horizon." According to the year by year chart here and at Hockeydb.com, in 1987-88 Hershey earned 103 pts. Now if you give them 2 pts for the two OTLs, it equals 105, but I am unsure as to if this was done in the AHL at the time... 
P.S. Heh, I don't know as I would not be born for another 4-5 months.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smurfer2 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team points record? 

message: In response to the comment on my userpage:
We are not documenting privileged information. If I'm missing something because I don't reside in York, please cite. But please refrain from telling me what I articles I have a right to contribute to based on my personal proximity. 
I have no doubt that there are fans from Lancaster or Harrisburg or York in the Giant Center. I also have no doubt that the River Rats draw from Troy, Schenectady, or even Glen Falls. Or that the Senators has fans in Northeast PA. Or that Norfolk draws from Hampton Roads, Chesapeake, Virginia Beach or Portsmouth. Or that Lowell, Worcester, Springfield, Bridgeport, Hartford, Providence and Portland draw from their neighboring sprawl. Shall I cross reference all of these in their respective articles?
USA Hockey represents the US in IIHF sanctioned tournaments. The local high school hockey team represents said high school. IE... "This is the best squad of hockey players our population can produce: do us proud." .  Professional sports teams in the US do not "represent" their markets. They are almost always a for profit entertainment endeavor that imports outsiders to play for a salary. In turn that salary is financed by ticket/merchandising/etc sales from individuals in the surrounding community. Their performance on the ice is by no means an extrapolation of the communities value.
I would say the VAST majority of that 1,535,995 (Or is it 1,192,572 ?) would disagree your statement. ccwaters 13:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hershey Bear market, etc, etc. 

message: Is Chocolate B`ars a joke? 24.83.3.54 19:53, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a joke, the team played at the Hershey Ice Palace under this name in the EAHL for the 1933-34 season. Centpacrr 21:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Joke?

message: Fair use rationale completed. Flibirigit 04:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:HB2.PNG

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 15:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: It's a howling shame that a full sixty year stretch of the Bears' history, from 1940 to 2005 - a stretch in which the team won eight Calder Cups - was entirely blank, other than a full paragraph about the team signing Don Cherry, whom no one could legitimately claim was a notable player for the franchise.  Perhaps some attention could be turned to filling in those Cup seasons, as well as the doings of the Nykoluks, Marshalls, Henrys, Kullmans, Kellers, Dobbins and Lamoureauxs of the world.   ῲ Ravenswing ῴ  08:04, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eeek? 

message: The Hershey Hockey Club (now Hershey Bears Hockey Club), the hockey organization that owns and operates the Hershey Bears hockey team in the AHL, was founded in 1932 and since then has operated professional teams in Herhsye, PA under four different names in two different leagues since then. For the first two years (1936-38) the current American Hockey League operated not as a single league, but as two already established leagues (The International Hockey League and the Canadian-American [Can-Am] Hockey League) which played an interlocking schedule because both leagues had fallen to just four member clubs each. That circuit was styled as the International-American Hockey League which soon dropped to seven teams when Buffalo was forced to withdraw when the roof of its arena collapse in a blizzard. These two leagues did not formally merge until June, 1938 at which time the Hershey Hockey Club was granted a new franchise to operate in that new I-AHL in that league. (In 1938-39 the Hershey Hockey Club operated teams in both the EAHL -- the Hershey Cubs -- and the I-AHL -- the Hershey Bears.) The I-AHL dropped "International" from its name in 1940 and has operated as the AHL ever since.
Thus 1932 is the year in which hockey club organization in Hershey was established, but is was not until 1938 (not 1932) that the organization was granted the franchise in the I-AHL (now AHL) that it currently owns and operates. Centpacrr (talk) 16:01, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The article currently states that the Hershey Bears play in the AHL, and have since the league was formed (by merger) in 1938. It also states that the team itself was founded in 1932, making it the oldest pro hockey organization outside the Original Six NHL teams. That's the essential info. Everything g else is pedantry and unimportant. oknazevad (talk) 16:07, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

text: Agreed.  (Well, oldest *continual* organization, anyway.)   Ravenswing   19:24, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have explained in detail several times before, a hockey organization (the Hershey Bears Hockey Club, established in 1932 as the Hershey Hockey Club) is NOT the same thing as a "franchise" which is a license granted by a league (the I-AHL/AHL) to a hockey organization to operate a "team" (the AHL Hershey Bears, franchise granted June 28, 1938). The Hershey Hockey Club established, owned and operated four other "teams" in the T-SHL and EAHL between 1932 and 1939: the Hershey B'ars (T-SHL), Hershey Chocolate Bars (EAHL), Hershey Bears (EAHL), and Hershey Cubs (EAHL). The current Hershey Bears hockey "team" playing in the AHL was not franchised and established from scratch until 1938, not 1932. I am therefore left wondering what exactly about the difference between a hockey "organization" (a business entity) and a hockey "team" (a sports team owned and operated by a hockey organization) operated under a league granted franchise neither of you understand? Centpacrr (talk) 20:07, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's what you don't understand, and why you keep getting grief: The fact that's it's unimportant, pedantic detail. The fact that it is sufficiently covered just by changing one use of the word "franchise" to the word "club". The fact that it's exactly the same situation as the Montreal Canadiens, who predate the NHL but are still considered to be one continuous operation. That fact that simply, put, no one cares to overload the lead with trivial details besides you. It's unneeded. Let the history section cover the details (and even then make sure they're not WP:UNDUE, but keep the lead short, sweet, focused and readable. It's just better writing. oknazevad (talk) 20:37, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine, then if that is your issue I will shorten the lead even more by removing altogether the misleading statement that the AHL Hershey Bears team was "established in 1932" because it wasn't (it was established on June 28, 1938), and delete the reference to the "league's first season" that fails to include the reference to the merger in 1938 after operating as an interlocking schedule of the IAHL and CAHL from 1936 which the AHL uses as its "first season" for record purposes. In the future if you are going to "shorten" something then please be careful not to do so in a manner that introduces material that is false and/or misleading owing to lack of needed detail or explanation. Centpacrr (talk) 20:54, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates of establishment of the Hershey Hockey Club (now Hershey Bears Hockey Club) and the I-AHL/AHL 

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