Talk:John Tory

message: THE ELECTION RESULTS FROM HIS MAYORAL ELECTION ARE INCORRECT; THERE ARE OTHER FACTUAL INCONSISTENCIES HERE!! THEY SHOULD BE DEALT WITH IMMEDIATELY.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.173.200.169 (talk) 14:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: THIS PAGE IS BEING MESSED WITH

message: Mr. Tory is a Tory MP?  Surely there's some intersting background there.  Ubermonkey 03:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You suspect perhaps that his birthname was John Grit? Somegeek 17:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mr. Tory is a Tory MP?

message: Please note that WP:MSH, the Wikipedia Style Guide on headings within articles, says that headings should follow sentence case, not title case, i.e., only proper nouns are capitalized -- other words do not take capitals. Ground Zero | t 15:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Headings

message: I have assessed this article as B Class, given its level of detail and organization, although it needs more referencing and in-line citations and the "Other facts" section should be incorporated into the main body of the article. I have assessed this as low importance, as I do not feel that many people outside of Canada would be familiar with the subject of the article. Cheers, CP 23:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: Tory is still an MPP, until the new government isi sworn in - he is not a "former" MPP. We have an unhealthy tradition in Canada that as soon as someone is defeated in an election they are a "former". In the USA, when an incumbent President loses, he is not a "former" president until January 20 of the next year - a whole two months after the election that defeated him. Tory is not a "former MPP" until the new government is sworn in. Nopm 16:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, when the Legislature is formally desolved, no elected official is technically a MPP, just as the Premier is not really the premier in the sense that the legislature is desolved. That is why the media, I believe the CBC, called Dalton "Premier-elect" last night. nattang 16:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  STILL a MPP 

message: Its interesting to note that Dalton McGuinty is a Roman Catholic himself which could explain why he has nothing against status quo of Ontario education inequality. Canada's approach to religious education has sometimes been criticized as inconsistent. Catholic education public funding is mandated by various sections of the Constitution Act, 1867 and reaffirmed by Section Twenty-nine of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The United Nations Human Rights Commission declared in 1999 that Ontario was in violation of the international covenant on civil and political rights by only funding Catholic schools and not other faith-based schools. Newfoundland withdrew Catholic funding in 1996, via legislation that required approval from the Canadian House of Commons. Quebec abolished religious education funded by the state through the Education Act, 1998 which took effect on July 1st of that same year.  
    
   
If such a act of Antisemitism and discrimination, against any other religion, is permissible for Dalton McGuinty the premier of the most populous province of Canada, how could Canada condemn other countries like Russia or China about human rights or religious freedom??? How could we force someone to listen to United Nations if we don’t listen??? Is Canada a good example??? There is no other western democratic country which violates the rights of its citizens just because they are minority and are not big percentage of electorate! John Tory was the only leader who maid a point to do something right and not just something that will help him to win an elections! 
here are the links:
 here is the official un website saying it Decisions of the UN Human Rights Committee 
and here is alink to wikepedia site  saying the same thing (look under education)
and here is another one from wikepedia
and the fact that dalton mgcinty is a catholic you could see on this wikepidia site  by his biografy
what do you think
Ntb613 06:44, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The proposed addition appears to violate Wikipedia policies, most particularly the ones about reliable sources and neutral point of view. It is fundamentally opinion, not factual (although apparently opinion based on political facts in Canada).  I would also suggest reviewing what Whikipedia is not. Studerby 06:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the interest of full disclosure, I would like to note that I was brought here to mediate this dispute by Ntb613.  It would appear that the proposed paragraph has some serious problems with it.  For example, beginning with "It is interesting to note" is a decidedly non-neutral idea.  Interesting to whom?  Interesting to what purpose?  This sounds like the personal feeling of whoever is writing the paragraph.  Later on, "which could explain" again sounds like a novel opinion.  The fact that Dalton McGuinty is Roman Catholic may be true, but I fail to see how it has any bearing on this article, which is not about him, but rather another person.  It only gets worse from there.  The entire proposed paragraphs above are nothing but a diatribe consisting solely of the unreferenced opinions of its author.  The opinions expressed have MANY appropriate places on the internet.  There are THOUSANDS of blogs, discussion forums, and chat rooms discussing Canadian politics which would be excellent places to publish the above information.  That the information is blatantly non-neutral (See WP:NPOV), is unreferenced (see WP:V) and represents original thought (see WP:NOR) means that the proposed paragraphs violate all THREE of Wikipedia's cornerstone policies.  Again, I have no personal opinion on this particular politician, or on this article, but I was brought here by a request from Ntb613 to give my honest opinion.  That is my honest opinion.  --Jayron32|talk|contribs 22:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  proposed paragrafs 

message: Arguably, John Tory can be seen as a liberal Progressive Conservative, meaning towards the left of the PC Party (compared to a conservative Progressive Conservative like Mike Harris). John Tory might be considered to be more liberal than the Liberal Leader Dalton McGuinty (who wanted increased spending?) and McGuinty is thought of as a conservative Liberal (someone on the right, due to his fiscal policies). 
To this end, I suggest we add to this article on John Tory the following: In this election, Tory, the Progressive Conservative Leader was arguably seen as the less conservative Leader relative to his Liberal opponent. 
By the way, I got this phrasing from the article on US president Gerald Ford, where it says in 1976 election, Ford, the Republican, was seen as less conservative relative to his Democratic opponent, Jimmy Carter. 
What are your thoughts on this addition? 
Nopm 22:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that kind of thing only belongs if it was widely seized-upon in the media or among the public.  It is just an opinion and can be argued both ways.  I think that there might be a place to mention that Tory is/was a "moderate" Conservative because that did come up a lot in his leadership and in the most recent election.  --JGGardiner 09:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Addition to John Tory Article

message: The recent additions regarding Tory's leadership review are obviously slanted in favour of his critics.  This needs to be improved, soon.  CJCurrie (talk) 00:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Better now? CallipygianSchoolGirl (talk) 04:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nobody spoke up so I am removing it. CallipygianSchoolGirl (talk) 04:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: I'm curious, why is there no mention in the article of his 8 years that he spent involved with Charter Communications (2001 to 2009)?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.220.214 (talk) 19:44, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charter Communications 

message: The article implies that Tory's faith-based school-funding platform was rejected because of public hatred of Creationism, whereas, in fact, Creationism was a non-issue in the election; the rejection was due to concerns over public funding of imams promoting terrorism behind closed doors. This article is another wiki fail.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.125.144 (talk) 14:08, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I clarified the reference to creationism. If you'd like you're welcome to add a reference in about concerns over publicly funded Muslim schools if you include a proper citation. Wieno (talk) 19:09, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It was likely rejected because there are way more Catholics and secularists than Muslims and Jews.199.7.156.136 (talk) 04:14, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creationism reference misleading. 

message: I just entered a dead link category, mentioned on was French, and remove a red link. Sorry about not mentioning it in the edit summary. We should remove from the EL John Tory for Mayor of Toronto Website as it pretty much says nothing and Law Society of Upper Canada Record doesn't seem to mention him specifically but seems to be a search page.199.7.156.136 (talk) 04:14, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: minor changes

message: Toronto carding controversy redirects to a section here John Tory#Carding controversy.
However, since the practice was introduced and already controversial before Tory was elected, and because it has attracted national and international attention, I suggest it should be its own article. Then the section here will link to the new article and focus just on Tory's history/comments.
Your comments and thoughts are appreciated. Facts707 (talk) 14:44, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I like your idea to create a new article on this, but it should probably be an article about carding, with a section discussing the controversy. WP:NPOV and all that. Ivanvector (talk) 14:55, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carding controversy - plan to create a new article "Toronto carding controversy" 

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message: Cant seem to find any citations regarding his (QC) Queens Counsel designation. Unless there is citation, we should remove it. 130.63.209.23 (talk) 09:30, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  QC? Can't find a source 

message: He merely stated he “will step down as Mayor” (verbatim) and that he will ensure an orderly transition “in the coming days”. Has he signed any document to this effect? Dingers5Days (talk) 01:42, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: He's announced his intention to step down, but hasn't officially done so yet. It seems that he will remain in office until his work with the city manager, city clerk, and deputy mayor for an orderly transition in the coming days is done, as mentioned in his speech. – Handoto (talk) 02:14, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Has he officially resigned? 

message: Had an affair with a coworker. 66.241.129.130 (talk) 03:00, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Tory resigned. 

message: reverted my addition of Jennifer McKelvie to the infobox, saying that "Let's keep this out until the resignation is effective to avoid the impression something which has not yet happened, has." Given that the information is clearly marked as presumptive, I think that it is okay to include. Most reliable sources have already named her as such: CityNews, CBC News, CTV News and CP24,National Post, Toronto Star. Tory has said he will be working on a transition of power with his close ally McKelvie, the deputy mayor automatically becomes acting mayor upon a vacancy, and only the mayor can appoint a deputy mayor (without provincial meddling), so I don't see why we shouldn't follow what reliable sources are saying include this information. Readers will want to be easily directed to who the acting mayor will be. If this was a less-trafficked page, it may be an issue, but if McKelvie somehow falls through, the spotlight on the scandal will ensure that any updates are swift. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 08:01, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of [[Jennifer McKelvie]] 

message: He's not the mayor anymore 2605:B100:140:5FBE:2D8B:575:75E7:8733 (talk) 15:18, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As of this morning, you're wrong.  He will resign in a few days, after details of the handover are determined.  The article mentions this. PKT(alk) 16:15, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  He's not the mayor anymore