Talk:Cyrus Nowrasteh

message: Quote: "They have two sons, Alexander C. Nowrasteh (born October 4, 1985) and Mark G. Nowrasteh (born November 30, 1985.)"
This cannot be right, unless Alexander was prematurely delivered with a cesarian, in which case this would be at least interesting to mention. Just presenting these dates makes one curious.
JAL 82.92.15.150 12:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family 

message: The quote from the Wall Street Journal article is incorrect - the following sentence: "My sin was to write a screenplay accurately depicting Bill Clinton's record on terrorism" IS NOT Mr. Nowrasteh's and should be stricken from the quotation; it is a "blurb" by the WSJ itself which appeared only in the online, not the print, version of WJS, and does NOT appear at all in the body of Mr. Nowrasteh's article. The actual paragraph reads, "'The Path to 9/11' was set in the time before the event, and in a world in which no party had the political will to act. The principals did not know then what we know now. It is also indisputable that Bill Clinton entered office a month before the first attack on the World Trade Center. Eight years then went by, replete with terrorist assaults on Americans and American interests overseas. George W. Bush was in office eight months before 9/11. Those who actually watched the entire miniseries know that he was given no special treatment." I propose editing it accordingly. Bartleby007 22:15, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WSJ Misquote 

message: I have a couple of short paragraphs of History and Filmography info that I'd like to add, which for logic's sake I think should follow the Biography section and precede The Path to 9/11 section, since that section addresses the very recent controversy surrounding the latest entry in Filmography. . . Bartleby007 22:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Add away...do your best to be sure that all that you add is verifiable. Welcome to the process! Kukini 22:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography and order 

message: I corrected the label "Iranian-American" because Mr. Nowrasteh is American - as already noted in the Biography section, he is of Persian descent but was born in Boulder, Colorado. Robert Rodriguez, born in Texas but of Mexican descent, is described on Wikipedia as "an American director" and Akiva Goldsman, born in New York, is described as "an American writer," not a "Jewish-American" screenwriter. Bartleby007 20:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Kukini 07:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree–but would caution about referring to Mr. Nowrasteh as having "Persian descent." "Persian" is also a loaded term in the Iranian-American community.  The term "Persian" is understood to indicate allegiance to the Pahlavi dynasty, in which "Persian" refers to the Persian Empire of Cyrus the Great (whose 2,500 anniversary Mohammad Reza Shah famously celebrated).  (Hence the double entendre impled by comedian Moz Jobrani in his "Persian Cat" routine.)  Most likely, Mr. Nowrasteh's father (and mother?) comes from Iran, in which case, Mr. Nowrasteh is of "Iranian descent," agreed?  It is possible that his family comes from Afghanistan, India, Tajikistan, or other countries with large Persian (i.e., people who left before the founding of modern Iran) diaspora, in which case "Persic" or (last accurate) "Persian" descent might be appropriate.  Finally, please keep in mind that, in English, "Persian" now refers to the modern standard "Farsi." So, shall we change to "Iranian descent"? Aboudaqn (talk) 18:54, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancestry 

message: In response to another's comment: no, "conservative" is not a bad word but Mr. Nowrasteh is not a "conservative" screenwriter. In his own words from his Wall Street Journal article, cited elsewhere, "I am neither an activist, politician or partisan, nor an ideologue of any stripe." Other screenwriters on Wikipedia are not labeled by their political beliefs (or by the beliefs others would like to ascribe to them). Bartleby007 16:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, this is not accurate, for example, see the first sentence on Al Franken  or Tim Robbins . And the media has long put effort into painting the word "liberal" to have a negative connotation. Thus, the labels are most definitely used in other articles. I recommend going around wikipedia taking out all the labels if you are to take this stand. Kukini 16:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh...and I corrected Tim Robbins to "Progressive" as that was the link being used. Kukini 17:03, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Robbins is a liberal who may call himself progressive; nothing wrong with the word liberal. Likewise Cyrus is a conservative, regardless of what he might say. This is what the vast majority of disinterested people say... liberal or conservative,... later in the article we can say what they say they are, but neither person should get a pass to deny who they really are. Chivista 17:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I know that Franken would prefer to be called progressive, but I know and you know he is a liberal ;) But at this point if ypu like change it in the lead sentence... but somewhat later say that these leading figures like Franken Robbins etc s/b called liberals... Chivista 17:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't change the word back on this article, as it really is not a huge issue to me and as you cited him stating he felt he was apolitical. Kukini 00:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Franken does not prefer to be called progressive, but liberal. I just saw him speak last night and my photograph of him is the lead on the Al Franken page. Franken is a proud liberal, and he declared it front of a room full of people at Borders bookstore in response to a question asking if he prefers to be called progressive. But that is beside the point: the real issue is that WP is not a place where the subjects get to define themselves. Right now, Nowrasteh has an interest in not being called a Conservative (which he has called himself in the past) to pass off a demonstrably inaccurate documentary as unbiased. It doesn't matter, though, what he wants. WP is meant to be objective, and that includes calling a spade a spade. Whether liberal, conservative, facist, communist, etc. Nowrasteh gets no say in the matter. We do. This site only has as much credibility as the accuracy of its articles, and if we are all going to spend so much time on here working at that, then regardless of our political persuasions we need to ensure we are writing things that resemble reality as it is, and not as we (or the subjects of articles) wish it to be. --DavidShankBone 15:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to see that! :D Chivista 15:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Changed "political bias" to "political orientation" since I thought this was less POV - Gave a number of citations of his various associations with the (self-described) "conservative" Liberty Film Festival. and quotation from an article on conservative voices in Hollywood.--Boscobiscotti 21:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Conservative" 

message: I will recap the reasoning that I posed to one of the admins, Kukini, on this subject.
:Here is my argument: 1) The allegation came from the Huffington Post, a self-proclaimed blog site - not the news media, not a "sourced investigation" in the least ... 2) The page on IMDB does not confirm the veracity of any identifiable information of the user that potentially acclaimed the film in question ... 3) The allegation involves only two pieces of identifiable information linked to Mr. Nowrasteh -- his wife's name and their hometown, both publicly available information ... 4) There could possibly be more than one person named Betsy living in Camarillo, CA ... 5) The post on IMDB could just as easily have been placed maliciously by someone intending to portray Mr. Nowrasteh in a negative light, given that all of the identifiable information was publicly available.
There are a lot of uncertainties about the circumstances, and insisting that the observations of a single person be called an "investigation" only introduces bias in how a person would want to perceive Mr. Nowrasteh. Adding links to the specific IMDB pages does not make the issue any more thoroughly researched, as the original page on the huffington post already had permanent links to the pages in question. If you have any disagreement with the way I have worded the sentence, please post your reasoning here for further discussion since there may be a problem with neutrality either way. EddieH 19:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 1) As a matter of fact, the Huffington Post is a self-proclaimed blog site. It even has a "Bloggers Index" showing all the people who publish viewpoints on the site (including Martin Lewis). I don't care about where the bias is coming from, left or right, but it is obvious in most all of the content, especially in the Lewis article (you can't tell me that that isn't one heavily slanted text). In any case, my subsequent revision does not refer to the Huffington Post as a blogger site, so please read before you edit things. 2) The original sentence said that Mr. Nowrasteh was the "probable creator," which is ALREADY a huge bias. That would be like me writing that George W. Bush is a "probable liar" ... that would never fly in any circumstances where bias can not be allowed. 3) Mr. Lewis is not a career journalist. You or I can not post our own individual investigations on Wikipedia and make them appear to have the objectivity of an administrated investigation, and neither can Mr. Lewis. 4) Mr. Nowrasteh has been scrutinized by the media in the past before his recent 9/11 dramatization - you would know that if you investigated the matter a bit more. 5) Wikipedians are not supposed to be able to post information in a biased way and rely on each user to spend hours ensuring that every sentence they read is objective. By the way, I would not consider this rebuttal to be the results of an "investigation" of your perspectives, but merely my perception of the situation. EddieH 07:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It reads much more objectively than before - thanks. It may look like my edit was an aspersion to Lewis's claim, but the nature of the evidence has to be taken into account, knowing that the column was (in all obviousness) meant to attack Mr. Nowrasteh. After all, critical commentaries have been published on all sorts of political figureheads, many of them having little or no basis in fact, or making broad assumptions. Identifying the source of the accusation is one of the best ways of maintaining objectivity of course (rather than masking it in the generic term "investigation" which has connotations of its own), and not resorting to terms like "probable," "most likely," "almost certainly," and others unless it can't be helped. After all, there has been no comprehensive probabilistic analysis of the evidence -- a modicum of published public perception. EddieH 22:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martin Lewis "investigation" 

message: He's working on a screenplay of the book Jawbreaker (about the hunt for bin Laden in Afghanistan) for Oliver Stone . Arrow740 07:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jawbreaker

message: Saying he is "conservative" along with with the fact tag strikes me as silly, particularly given that he has expressed rejected the label and apparently with good reason. His film "On the Day Reagen was Shot" was apparently quite criticized by conservatives. --Jimbo Wales 15:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding the fact tag may have been silly, and I am not suggesting 'conservative' be restored. But like someone said, if you would not have something heard, do not say it.  Tom Harrison Talk 16:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "conservative" 

message: The section on the Huffington post blog entry that talks about the alleged sockpuppey "controversy" appears petty and non-objective (due to being blown out of proportion) to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Nowrasteh#Controversy
a. So what if it happened?
b. Yes, ysteb is his wife's name "betsy" spelled backwards. How does the author (or how do we) know that his wife didn't write the fake review? It seems the most obvious possibility. Seems like a dumb, poorly researched criticism about a review that hardly anyone has ever read anyhow. It makes it seem like his critics are grasping at anything, even if it's just straws. My two cents.
:Removed per BLP -poorly sourced to a blog. <<-armon->> 14:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree on removal. If the source had better proof that the concerns were true it would speak to character. But the "proof" in the Huffington Post article is flimsy. --Boscobiscotti 01:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huffington Post alleged sockpuppet "controversy" 

message: This entry shows Mr. Nowrasteh's first name "Cyrus" transliterated into Farsi as سیروس‎), which transliterates as "see-ROOSS" (with English pronunciation and accent).  Has anyone verified that spelling in Farsi?  I don't have Farsi-type enabled, but commonly the name is written in Farsi as ku-RUSH (coo-ROOSH) -- which fits the historical pronunciation including ancient Greek Kyros (KÜ-rohs).  Does anyone know how he spells his name in Farsi (or, for instance, how the Iranian press writes his name)? -- Aboudaqn (talk) 19:02, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: "Cyrus" in Farsi?

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