Talk:Home (sports)

message: :I put this request in because of the lack of non-contributor perspective on the merger discussion. IvoShandor 01:12, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for Comment: Merger RfC

message: Just in case you're not already watching the article, please can you take a look at my post on Talk:Road (sports) regarding the British term "away". This article too, could do with being made applicable to American and British sports. For example, in the article you refer to American football as football, and football as soccer. I understand these terms are widely used in America, and it's probably annoying when some Brit comes along and says you've got to use BrE, the same as Brits get annoyed when Americans try to force AmE (there's been a lot of debate on whether an article should be named gasoline or petrol). However, a simple click on those two links shows that wikipedia users have determined that they are the most appropriate titles for the sports on English wikipedia. In addition, what's your source for football (soccer) home teams wearing lighter [darker] colours? Not true in my experience. If you agree these changes need to be made I'll go ahead and make them, but I'll wait for your input. Alex9788 13:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there sources for any of these claims of the way things usually are (this is a general comment about the jersey colors not specifically at you Alex), obviously there has already been some wrong information and disagreement, sources would be nice, because, basically, our observations constitute original research and someone unfamiliar with the topic of sports enough to not know the colors of jerseys typical for home and road teams needs to be able to verify this information. IvoShandor 11:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I could give a very large number of examples where the away kits have been lighter [darker] than the home kits, I can't find a source that specifically says anything along the lines of "In football the home kit is often not lighter [darker] than the away kit", and to be honest I can't see a reason why anyone would make such a statement, for there is no reason to believe the home kit would be lighter [darker] than the away kit. Personally I think the sentence saying that football home teams wear lighter [darker] colours should be taken out anyway. It's more important to have a source for putting something in an article than for taking something out. For example, if I write a controversial claim on a page I definately need a source to keep it in. But if I wrote on a page "In 1834 a dog named Fred and a cat named Susan got married and had offspring called cat-dogs" it would be unreasonable to expect anyone to find a source saying explicitly "In 1834 there was not a marriage between a dog named Fred and a cat named Susan, and there were no offspring between these two animals". Of course any user would simply remove the vandalism without question, and if we needed sources to take out incorrect information vandals would have a very easy job. Of course the claim in question is not on the same scale in terms of rediculousness, but my general point is that one shouldn't have to have a source to take out incorrect information, it should be the responsibility of the person who wants the information kept to find a source. Hope that makes sense, Alex9788 11:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

text: No need to have a source to take out incorrect information, but to correct it, yes, you need a source. Perhaps you misunderstood my comment. None of that information is cited in the current article, it needs to be. IvoShandor 12:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I agree with you, most of the information in the article needs sources. Alex9788 13:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: British use

message: I had always imagined this to be a concession to brevity of speech (or writing); It's easier, especially when reading off a long list of matchups,  to say "Boston at Cleveland" than it is to say "Cleveland versus Boston ... at Cleveland."  However, if it's really the opposite for the rest of the world, then it probably is due to baseball setting the precedent for coverage of the other sports. WHPratt (talk) 18:34, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the home team is listed last (or rather, later)