Talk:Solomonic dynasty

message: This article is misleading with respect to some of the content.  The article is written as if to represent the Dynasty's claims but cites facts and figures that historians, not the Kebra Negest states.  While Historians may qualify the facts in front of them with what they can verify with secondary and other sources it is the claim of the Dynasty, backed by the Kebra Negest(Glory of the Kings), the Fetha Henegst(Justice of the Kings) and the much less known and esoteric Awde Negest(chronicle of the Kings) and Ethiopian Jewish and Christian hagiography that the dynasty begins in 100BC not 1270 AD, 2270 years later. Its founder is also Menelik I descended from The houses of David(Solomon) and Angabo(Makeda) not Yekuno Amlak who was Emperor of the Solomonic restoration with the Compact of Tekle Haimanot.  All these are 'facts' cited in the Kebra Negest.  
The way the page is a good beginning but it should be qualified or the name changed and a new one with the genuine claims as set forth in all the above records stated without qualification as the stated claims of the dynasty.  Let the reader decide without the subjective editorializing of historians.  It should be the historians qualifying their doubts not the source data itself to the extent now that incorrect dates and names are being cited.
Thank you
Zabya (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 17:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Historians' facts and figures are verifiable and appear in reliable sources.  We can certainly notate what the Kebra Nagast says, as well (though this, too, should be formatted as a citation, e.g. of a particular edition). -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 18:40, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Misleading content

message: I have come across an interesting feature article entitled "LIKE ADDING WATER TO MILK": MARRIAGE AND POLITICS IN NINETEENTH-CENTURY ETHIOPIA" by Heran Sereke-Brhan published in The International Journal of African Historical Studies. New York: 2005. Vol. 38, Iss. 1; pg. 49, 30 pgs.  It covers the post Tewodros era.  Abstract (Summary):
Although not studied extensively, marriage among notable families has often been acknowledged as an important diplomatic and political tool of the Ehiopian state. Here, Sereke-Brhan documents the almost century-old presence of certain families in proximity to power, establishing their essential role in the forging of empire. The origins of national elite, intricately connected across geographical regions and over several generations, found its genesis in these marriage network that often provided critical continuity in the face of changing politics.
If you have acess to ProQuest, its ProQuest document ID: 868760511. Consuelo D'Guiche 18:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good source material 

message: The article isn't clear enough: are there male line descendants of the Solomonic dynasty now? The article seems to imply that yes, through the Shewan line. Is it still extant? --Lecen (talk) 12:00, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It says 'lineal descent' now. I am unsure what this means, but it could be patrilineal. I have added the  template. No More 18 (talk) 06:27, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There are still individuals alive today who are descended from nobles from the Solomonic dynasty. The "lineal" also indeed means patrilineal. However, as far as Haile Selassie is concerned, he inherited the throne through his paternal grandmother. Middayexpress (talk) 22:20, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Male line descendants nowadays? 

message: This article should really give some statement regarding the consensus among historians regarding the dynasty's claims of originating with Solomon and the Queen of Sheba.  Obviously since neither one is currently verified as an historical person, such an assessment is bound to be incomplete, but basic facts like whether or not the Solmonics are attested to existing anywhere near 1000 years BC could be included.  Trilobright (talk) 13:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. DeCausa (talk) 09:05, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historicity