Talk:Olduvai Gorge

message: Wilhelm Kattwinkel was not an entomologist, but a physician, specialized as a neuro-physician. He also heard lectures on paleontology. He went to German-East Africa to research about the sleeping-sickness (trypanomiasis), when he "discovered" the Olduvai fossil site. He is listed in the files of the Ludwig-Maximilians University of Munich until winter term 1934/35 (died January 35) as an extraordinary professor of internal medicine and neurology. 
Maybe this could be corrected...
sources:
# Glowatzki G: Kattwinkel. In: Neue Deutsche Biographie (New German Biography). Duncker & Humblot, Berlin 1977.  p.  331–332.
# Maier G: African Dinosaurs Unearthed: The Tendaguru Expeditions. Indiana University Press 2003. 
# Glowatzki G (1979): Wilhelm Kattwinkel, der Entdecker der Oldoway-Schlucht. In: Homo - Zeitschrift für die vergleichende Forschung am Menschen, Band 30, p. 124–125.
Frank Gries (talk) 09:16, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed to neurologist per Maier ref. Vsmith (talk) 11:42, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prof. Kattwinkel 

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message: May I suggest that the page be renamed to Oldupai Gorge since that is the correct spelling. The correct spelling of the Oldupai Gorge might be a point for dispute. Most people know it as the Olduvai Gorge which is nothing but incorrect. Oldupai is the Maasai name for the sisal plant which is found there and that is why it is called the Oldupai Gorge. Anybody who has been on a Safari in Serengeti would know this since the rangers there make sure to explain the correct name.  --Durst 11:10, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Most people know it as the Olduvai Gorge". Wikipedia is descriptivist, not prescriptivist. —Wereon 14:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Reverted back to Olduvai. I see no reference for the change, although it may be so, the site has traditionally been Olduvai and there is no urgent need for article revision.  Vsmith 14:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Interesting news article, however, the reporter continued using the Olduvai spelling after reporting the official change. It would seem that we need more than that news story. The name has been stable for quite some time, so I see no need for anything more than a mention of the alternative spelling, as is there currently, with perhaps a reference for the official change when we find one. Vsmith 09:33, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would a photo of the sign at the entrance to the site museum labelling it as "Oldupai Gorge" work? LocutusMIT 19:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have the photo? Maybe put it in the :Olduvai Gorge Museum article. Vsmith 23:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea.  Done. LocutusMIT 22:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Relax, not only were you right about the elephant thing, but I have added more information about FLK North and what the site with Elephas recki bones actually consisted of. --Bernalj90 (talk) 04:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Somewhere along the way the sentence concerning the official name "Oldupai Gorge" was removed. I added it back to the article. Dger (talk) 04:12, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

text: We aim for consistency and the article name is Olduvai Gorge, which is the commonly known name in English. This is not the Maasai Wikipedia. Vsmith (talk) 15:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What would be the problem with naming the article correctly and leaving "Olduvai Gorge" as a redirect here? That way people would still find their way to the proper article and be educated at the same time. Cthomas3 (talk) 04:04, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

text: As noted by Asmeret G. Mehari and Kokeli P. Ryano in their chapter “Maasai people and Oldupai (Olduvai) Gorge: Looking for sustainable people-centered approaches and practices,” from Schmidt and Pikirayi’s 2016 edited volume Community Archaeology and Heritage in Africa: Decolonizing Practice, “Olduvai Gorge is a colonial nomenclature, and locally it is known as Oldupai in Maasai language, named after the indigenous wild sisal (sansevieria) plant.” It is high time to remove the colonial nomenclature from Wikepedia. The name Olduvai is not neutral but imparts a claim that privileges the site’s careless misnaming by a German scientist over one hundred years ago over the situated knowledge of the Maasai people who live there. As others have noted, it would be simple enough to correct the error in such a way that those who put in the search term “Olduvai” would be redirected to the article under the name “Oldupai” and learn from the article itself the reason for the redirect. Those searching for “Olduvai” would thus have no trouble finding or accessing the page. This is both the more just and the more accurate thing to do, particularly as the place itself was officially renamed years ago. Leaving the colonial nomenclature up is therefore not a question of accessibility or recognizability, and it is certainly not one of accuracy. Olduvai is an invented term with Maasai roots. It has no meaning in English, in German, or in any other language apart from that derived from a colonial mis-figuration of Maasai knowledge. Ca9876 (talk) 18:58, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: For other examples, please note Bombay:Mumbai and Swaziland:Eswatini. European colonialism ended decades ago, but its remnants persist, especially in the West.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:08, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

text: http://www.ngorongorocrater.org/oldupai.html.  This seems clear and a good reason to finally change the name on Wikipedia. Ca9876 (talk) 05:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Oldupai vs Olduvai

message: I'm just reading "Lucy's Child" by D. Johanson and James Shreeve, which describes his finding of OH 62 at Olduvai in 1986, see Homo_habilis#OH_62. This should be added to the article - indeed there is no mention of Johanson and co-workers working at Olduvai at present. I am presently busy with other things but someone might care to add relevant info to the article - also the Johanson WP article is in need of similar additions. Cheers - Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 06:42, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  OH 62 Homo Habilis - D. Johanson 1986 finds 

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message: A girl 2C0F:EB68:246:DA00:D5CD:3588:5595:4EB7 (talk) 17:46, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olduvai Gorge 

message: "The issue of hunting versus gathering at Olduvai Gorge is still a controversial one." Should this read
"The issue of hunting versus scavenging at Olduvai Gorge is still a controversial one." ? 24.66.36.209 (talk) 03:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last sentence in "Hunters or scavengers?"