Talk:Brenda Shaffer

message: Guys, now I need to know when and where she was born? What is her religion (I assume she is Jewish), I assume she is Israeli because she was graduated from Tel Aviv University and works for IDF but we need concrete evidences. Also any academic reviews on her books and works will be appreciated.  Kiumars
:Yes, I think I can get you some academic reviews. From what I understand, she worked for the Israeli government and is very anti Iranian, claiming that Iran is a fictitious state and other such ridiculous things.Azerbaijani 20:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing information

message: Francis_Tyers has put a copyright tag on Brenda Shaffer article and does not reply to my posts and questions! How can we solve this problem? Kiumars
:Sorry no one's available to help right now. You may want to try WP:RFC. Good luck. Xiner (talk, email) 02:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The helpme tag is for your own talk page, not article pages or talk pages. The copyvio notice tells you the appropriate course of action but a few notes based on the above
* Putting quotes around large chunks of text does not resolve a copyvio problem
* Copyright is automatic and implicit, the lack of a copyright notice on a site does not mean it is not copyrighted.
---pgk 12:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Helllllpppppppp

message: I changed the contested copyright part and put links to sources instead! Guys what you are all missing is that her biographies in the three sources I have provided are identical word for word (did they violate the coprright?). I hope putting URLs is not a copyright violation here, is it?  
Now let’s move on, we have far more interesting issues to look at soon! The next stage will be to contest her academic merits! I love this. 
See the latest changes at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brenda_Shaffer/TempKiumars
Ok, guys, I have rewritten it, it should be ok now please check the article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brenda_Shaffer/Temp
: Please do not place the  on any page other than your own talk page. You can refer to the article from there. --pgk 18:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ref: hangon

message: Please do not spam articles with useless links for promotional purposes. I removed your link because it has nothing to do with Brenda Shaffer and is an interpretation by some other person...Azerbaijani 01:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not remove biographical information. If you dont like where its positioned, thats one thing, but do not remove information. She was educated in Israel, whats the big deal? Why remove it?Hajji Piruz 16:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: anon

message: The most recent edits on the page by Greiwood seriously violate WP:BLP, particularly the following:
* Criticism and praise of the subject should be represented if it is relevant to the subject's notability and can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to take sides; it needs to be presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone.
* Editors must take particular care adding biographical material about a living person to any Wikipedia page. Such material requires a high degree of sensitivity, and must adhere strictly to all applicable laws in the United States and to all of our content policies, especially WP:NPOV, WP:Verifiability, WP:NOR. 
So please, follow the rules. Atabəy (talk) 14:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is in full compliance with WP:BLP standards. Greiwood (talk) 12:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The review has been published in WP:RS source (citation of the journal provided in my recent edit to the article).  So it obviously stays as it meets WP:RS.  Even Siegel has a Math background but he also a writer in the area and is published in journals and has translated books.  His middle eastern resume is very impressive  and if anything, he understands the following language with good proficiency: "Persian, French, Arabic, Turkish, Biblical Hebrew, Russian, German, Georgian" which is also a necessity for anyone who studies the region's history.  So one expertise does not disualify his other expertise and there are many people that are experts in more than one field.    --Nepaheshgar (talk) 23:54, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Evan Siegel is an excellent scholar on the Middle East.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 18:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: BLP

message: Alireza Asgharzade, a sociologist, has serious conflict of interest issues with the subject of this article. Besides that, he's seriously confused about Iranian Aryanism and Nazi Aryanizm. Lida Vorig (talk) 01:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alireza Asgharzade  

message: BLP issues have been discussed for a long time about this article. I've finally just gone and changed it quickly, then we can have a discussion about how to best adjust it from here. the WP;BLP policy is one of the most strict we have and doesn't leave any room for unsourced statements or statements without high quality sourcing. I took out the Harpers review since that is not remotely of the academic quality of the other reviews available. If Professor Asgharzade has some conflicts of interest, thos should be made clear, with sourcing. Otherwise, as an academic, his review is higher reliability as a source. I'm certainly open to different sources, but the goal is ending up with an article that reflects what the highest quality sources available have to say about the subject. - Taxman Talk 13:54, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am sorry, but Ken Silverstein and Harper's Magazine are perfectly in line with our policy on reliable sources. But if you disagree, your own judgment does not settle the issue , and community input should be sought either through RFC or reliable sources noticeboard. We can not use BLP as a cover, to censor valid criticism backed by high quality sourcing. Also, Asgharzadeh`s academic qualification or lack thereof are besides the point here (he is actually a lecturer who advocates fringe theories, he says Turks existed in 6000 BC in the Near East), a weblog hosted on BlogSpot cannot be cited or used a verifiable source on Wikipedia no matter what, the verifiability policy is clear on this. This also is a moot point, as an interview is not a review, and has no place under reviews section regardless. Kurdo777 (talk) 03:22, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP issues 

message: The author's beliefs and theories about the history of Iran are about as credible as Hitler claiming Nordics are the master race and Saddam Hussein claiming that Persians and Jews are the spawn of Satan. This goes beyond historical revisionism - her theories are squarely in the realm of historical denialism. So there needs to be more critical context. Also parts of the article are written like a resume and the reviews section is too much of a list and goes against the manual of style so the article should be edited to conform to the standard style for books. Laval (talk) 07:49, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Not enough critical context

message: I understand that it is more favorable to Brenda Shaffer if the controversy in the New York Times is only mentioned in one sentence at the very end of the piece, as by the edits of Elairettig. However, Shaffer's failure to disclose has now been the subject of significant coverage, including in Radio Free Europe, Huffington Post, and in a piece by the Public Editor of the New York Times (disclosure: the NYT mentions me personally). This information about her merits inclusion, otherwise is too close to providing merely a one-sided positive piece. 
Specifically to user ElaiRettig -- as Brenda Shaffer's PhD student (according to LinkedIn), you should NOT be editing this page to make it more favorable to her and eliminate well-referenced information that is less favorable to her. That is not NPOV by any standard, and you have a CoI. By all means, Shaffer's achievements deserve to be highlighted, but readers need access to concerns about her work (and her failure to disclose) as well. (Hundnase (talk) 08:31, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Mentioning NYT Failure to Disclose

message: Substituted at 00:57, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: Evan Siegel is not a reliable source on this subject. He is not a professional historian, he is a professor of mathematics with no formal training in history. He has some publications in the field of the Middle Eastern history as a hobby, but that does not make him an expert in this field. He might be a reliable source on mathematics, but certainly not history. This is a WP:BLP article, and we should only use the best quality sources, and amateur historians clearly do not comply with WP:RS requirements. Grandmaster 16:45, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evan Siegel