Talk:Kirby (character)/Archive 1

message: Kirby was in Link's Awakening? I've played LA many times, and I don't remember that... Yoshi is in LA, but Kirby? 207.59.86.5 17:21, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Link's Awakening

message: This article needs to be altered to be about Kirby, nothing else. Move information on King Dedede to his own respective page, and move the game info to their respective pages or to a Kirby series page. -- A Link to the Past 09:39, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
:Agreed. Adam Marx Squared 02:12, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality Issues 

message: A lot of people don't know if the Name came from a Nintendo Executive or the Brand of Vacuum Cleaner.--Arima 01:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Official story is that some weird lawsuit between Nintendo and (I think) Atari happened, and the lawyer who fixed it was named John Kirby. They named him Kirby in thanks. Adam Marx Squared 01:22, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow. Really?--Arima 02:33, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Really. Of course, it's all pretty sketchy - it's hard to say for sure, but of the three this one is actually the most logical. At any rate this is the the story supported by KRR, giving it some credit.
It was MCA/Universal. They sued Nintendo for copyright infringment (claiming Donkey Kong was a copy of King Kong). They had contended in a past lawsuit that King Kong was public domain, and were... "smacked down". Sid Sheinberg is said to have said "I view litigation as a profit center". For more, check out 'Game Over' by David Sheff --pellucidity
So given that he is always called "Hoshi no Kirby" in Japanese game titles, does that make Kirby's surname "Hoshino"? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 21:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

text: No Hoshi no Kirby roughly means "Kirby of the stars" or something to that effect.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 01:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mutsuo of the stars. Michiru of the stars. Whence the difference? A lot of English family names have a meaning as well. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 16:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kirby does not have a family name.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 22:06, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Name "Kirby" 

message: If anyone wants to see this article become featured, major improvements are needed. See Link or Wario for an example of a good character article. -- A Link to the Past 06:04, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
::Looking over those articles, a good bulk of it appears to be about the games they appeared in. -- gakon5 (talk)
::I agree. Why is it that this page practically begins with a section on Super Smash Bros.? I really thing that it's a poor way to begin. I understand the need for a seperate page for each Kirby game, but more should be said about the games he's appeared in, perhaps in a style similar to the aforementioned Wario page. I think that the Characteristics section, and possibly even Concept and creation, should be moved towards the beginning of the article. Also, the part on his appearance in Smash Bros. should be reduced. The first paragraph of that section doesn't even mention Kirby. --Shroom Mage 07:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree agree :D Should we put concept and creation and characteristics first then, if no one objects?  Ivyna J. Spyder 15:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's much better. I think Characteristics should also go near the top of the page, minus the parts on Relationships, Shadow Kirby, and Species. Where these should go, I'm not sure. Actually, now that I look over the article, I think that everything about the anime should be moved to its own area near the bottom, considering the fact that Kirby is a video game character first and an anime character second. --Shroom Mage 00:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article 

message: <(^_^)>
Do we actually need so many examples? I tend to think that one or two will do, I'd say we don't need a whole list of Kirby ASCII-instances.SoothingR 07:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kirby ASCII

message: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the Warp Star makes an appearance in Kirby: Canvas Curse. --Thrashmeister 19:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warp Star in all games? 

message: Is that poorly compiled and probably plagarized list of every power Kirby can use really neceesary?
-Off topic- Please put your signature. -On topic- Yes, Because gamers who haven't played a single Kirby game before would like to see what Kirby can do. --General456 20:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They do not need to see every power. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved it to a sub-page, a while ago. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Powers

message: Is it certain that the white Kirby was just a mistake? I'm sure that Nintendo's official German magazine reported that the change was intentional, because they wanted to make him more appealing to western gamers (unfortunately, it was in just the issue I lost). This is supported by The Mushroom Kingdom, stating that Shigeru Miyamoto did not agree with it and made sure they stuck with pink for the later games. 82.207.201.11 17:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Color change 

message: I did this to help the article comply with the Manual for writing on fiction. I think this article could be a GA and maybe an FA, so I did the following changes.
:Cut TV image, since there is already an anime image in the top box.
:Totally redid the sectioning to be like Jabba the Hutt, or what Link (Legend of Zelda) is currently becoming. 
:Cutting a lot of in-game information, since it should be about the character in brief detail, with all of his specific techniques and such left to the individual game articles, so don't worry it isn't lost!
Anyway, I hope to help make this a GA. Judgesurreal777 00:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the SSB stuff needs to be shortened. We seriously don't need a huge description for it when it has its own page... Ivyna J. Spyder 07:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Big changes

message: I'm from over at the Kirby's Rainbow Resort site (the famous Kirby Guru! *strikes a pose* ...Oh you've never heard of me, but that's okay) but I've been going around trying to fix up a lot of the Kirby stuff and adding sections and all... Man the problem is there just aren't a lot of actual websites that I can use as sources, 'cept for KRR but we're still adding stuff too.
I found an interview with Sakurai on Nintendo's Japanese site that talks about a lot of the stuff regarding Kirby's creation though, including the color thing and how he was called Popopo. And since I've never ever found a source that talks about the John Kirby stuff, English or Japanese, I think it's best to leave it as a mystery like the vaccuum stuff. Someday we'll find the truth, and a source to credit...
I was trying to just make stuff flow better and focus on the most important aspects of Kirby- trying to think from the view of someone who has no idea what Kirby is and happen upon this page, you know?
Ivyna J. Spyder 07:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hello, sorry to intrude...

message: I assume we needed an actual source for the story? Well I emailed him, and he tells me that it is true that Kirby is named after him. Can the man himself be listed as a source? (You can contact him at http://www.lw.com/attorney/attorneysearch_profile.asp?attno=00170)
Ivyna J. Spyder 23:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume that is could be...  --Luigifan 03:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I need to find out how exactly to list him as a source, since I just asked him and it's not written on his site or anything... Ivyna J. Spyder 04:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I read in a magazine that his name was derived from John Kirby....would that be a good enough source?  Need to find it first... Kyo cat¿Qué tal?♥meow! 23:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Why don't you provide some actual sources to such info before ranting on about it. (Not to mention that what you just said made barely any sense to begin with.) DisasterKirby 22:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Game Over is a pretty well-known and reliable book. Now that it's brought up, I remember having read what he's describing. To be honest, naming it after an obscure man and the popular vacuum cleaner is coincidental as opposed to named after the vacuum cleaner and the lawyer is the coincidence-- well, one supports Occam's Razor and has a reliable source, and the other doesn't. --ArrEmmDee 02:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The fact of the matter is, there is SOME support for him being named after the lawyer, while the only support for him being named after the vacuum is coincidence. Let's go with the one that has some rather than none. We can still mention the vacuum, but that it's just coincidence. Ivyna J. Spyder 22:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there evidence aside from what John Kirby told you? Not even that he's lying to you, but he may be very well telling you what he believes to be the truth, probably unintentionally misled regarding the issue so far back. And now, in the uncertainty, he'd obviously be biased in favor of Kirby having been named after himself.  I think there's more depth and it's overall more interesting to have had Kirby named after a lawyer instead of a vacuum, such that I'd like it to be true as well, but if there's opposition to the fact, I don't know if it can be stated as absolute fact on Wikipedia. --ArrEmmDee 01:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I contacted John Kirby... 

message: What should be focused on next for improving this article? Anyone have any ideas? Ivyna J. Spyder 20:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay I see I am the only one that cares. :| But I had an idea for 'Kirby through the years' or something to show the slight design changes he's gone through? I'll work on that... Ivyna J. Spyder 14:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: A three day wait for a reply isn't that bad, Ms. Spyder. That being said, perhaps a Kirby retrospective would be best as an image as opposed to an article section, per Wikipedia's terms. But that's just my take on it. The S 20:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, felt like longer. And yeah, an image could work... Sprites or official art though? Or both? Hm... Ivyna J. Spyder 21:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Um, no offense, but 'Perfect Kirby' is quite possibly the poorest misrepresentation of Kirby I have ever seen. Entertaining yes, but completely irrelevant when it comes to fixing up the article. Also, said series is a fan-made creation; something that isn't really worth notable in an article such as this. DisasterKirby 08:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What next? 

message: I believe that Shadow Kirby, unless he attains more story in the future, should remain on this page (and not on his own as previously). Perhaps we should find an official art of Shadow Kirby and place it here as well. The S 16:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never seen art, but how about a screenshot? Come to think of it we need some artwork of Kirby from the games too, in his older styles... I'll work on that. Ivyna J. Spyder 21:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shadow Kirby

message: Okay let's see what we can do.
Concept and Creation - it just make sense to start with the background of the character.
:Voice Talent - I guess this stays here.
But should the next thing be characteristics or appearances? It's just that the SSB description looks so long. As  Shroom Mage suggested, we could divide up Characteristics perhaps?
Characteristics (To describe who he is and what he does)
:Appearance
:Personality
:Abilities
Appearances
:Main Games
:SSB
:Anime/Manga
Other Information? What to call it?
:Relationships
:Shadow Kirby
:Species
Maybe have a seperate one describing his anime self instead of mixing it in with the rest? Not sure, as there really aren't that many differences... Then again I do want to stress that they are from different timelines with different origins, since so many people get them confused, calling games Kirby a Star Warrior and stuff. o_O Hm... 
Ivyna J. Spyder 03:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential Organization

message: I've been reading the Japanese Wikipedia on Kirby for new info, and there's something that talks about his origin from some magazine... The entry reads:
"According to a book included with a Shogakukan magazine, he was born from a Star Flower, and immediately following his birth, he was smaller than an insect, and his inhale ability was weak. Incidentally, the setting of this book seems to be one the author was told by HAL Lab staff."
...CURSE YOU, JAPANESE WIKI, FOR HAVING NO SOURCES. :E It just says a magazine but not WHAT magazine! I must research this furthur... Furthur research shows a lot of people have heard about it, but I need to find what this book is...
Born from a flower though. Yeah that's pretty bizarre. :| I wish we could find out if it was true.
Ivyna J. Spyder 08:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds plausable; very cutesy and strange, just as a Japanese Kirby article would state. Now we need to find out the following:
A) If this story does indeed exist
B) If the story is canon to the games
C) If the story has not been retconned in some way
The S 16:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kirby's Origins?!

message: Doesn't Sakurai saying Kirby doesn't talk retcon all other cases where he does? Honestly it's only in older games and English instruction manuals where he does, in everything recent he really doesn't. I'm not convinced he talks in Star Stacker either- he could just be pointing at text on a board. 
Ivyna J. Spyder 03:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did Sakurai actually state that? I'd say his word is better than NoA's, officially. The S 22:40, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I talk about it in the development part of the anime section. One of Sakurai's stipulations was Kirby shouldn't talk. It seems natural to me to generalize the feeling to the games too, as anime Kirby is pretty much the same as he always was in the games in other ways... Ivyna J. Spyder 06:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about in Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land, Kirby & the Amazing Mirror, and Kirby: Squeak Squad? When you press start, it clearly describes the abilities from Kirby's point of view. I'd say he was talking about the anime in general, or also that Kirby shouldn't talk or have dialogue because he's the main character, and a talking main character could alienate the player (this practice is also usually seen for the Mario, Metroid, and Legend of Zelda series). 208.101.146.237 15:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure Kirby CAN talk, but the descriptions could also just be thoughts. Point is though, Kirby talks very infrequently in-game. *shrug* Ivyna J. Spyder 04:21, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kirby Talking

message: I apologize for removing the Kirby's Avalanche information(it appears someone has reverted it back). At the time, the article for this game stated that it was released in Japan, but this ended up being a mistake. --Mentaka 01:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My edit to 'Personality' 

message: Dude, don't make an edit and claim you have a source and then not link to the source. :\
Ivyna J. Spyder 17:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What manga?

message: Why is one of the Kirby categories "fictional detectives?"  I've played just about every- no, actually, every Kirby game, but I don't recall him ever being a detective... was he one, like, in one episode of the anime or something? Nintendorkus 02:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, someone must have put that because of the German comic. It's not canon though so it should be removed. Ivyna J. Spyder 20:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: German comic?  Huh?  Can I see it?  I'm surprised anyone knew about it unless it's recent. 75.75.99.221 22:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/multimedia/manga/kgf.html 208.101.130.232 14:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detective? 

message: I've noticed that someone has created a category titled "Ripoffs of Gimmick!"  that only contains two pages- "Kirby (Nintendo)" and "Kirby's Dream Land". Is there a direct source for this ripoff claim? Is there even a need for this category at all? Ex-Nintendo Employee 13:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like something that should just get speed-deleted... Ivyna J. Spyder 20:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I've nominated if for deletion. The S 20:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rip-off claim source? 

message: 1. This article should be called Kirby, as opposed to Kirby (Nintendo), sense it is the most well-known Kirby (come on, don't try to deny it, if anyone says just "Kirby" without a first name, what would you think they're talking about?).
2. For the same reason stated above, typing in a search for Kirby should direct someone to this article instead of a disambiguation page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nintendorkus (talk • contribs) 00:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as how the page clearly states that it is a disambiguation page at the bottom, I'd think that all of the current content on 'Kirby' could go into 'Kirby (disambiguation)', and that 'Kirby (Nintendo)' should take its place, as Nintendorkus stated. - DisasterKirby 02:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two changes that should be made: 

message: An edit was made claiming that "kawaii" was not a real Japanese word. I beg to differ; kawaii was one of the terms I learned in my second semester of Japanese class, and means "cute, adorable, or precious"; can be used as a noun or a verb.  It is not "otaku slang". The S 17:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kawaii 

message: To my knowledge there is no article or mention of Kirby's Magic Paintbrush - the Nintendo DS incarnation.  Any explanations why that is? DanCrowter 08:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because it is called Kirby Canvas Curse in the U.S. DisasterKirby 14:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kirby's Magic Paintbrush

message: It appears to me that the Kirby article doesn't even mention Kirby in Canvas Curse. If possible, can someone write about it and add this image? - A Link to the Past (talk) 09:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem is that it doesn't specifically mention CC - and the fact that he can be a ball is trivial, since only one time has his ball form been a notable form. The statement should read in its own paragraph that he WAS transformed into a ball for this game. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canvas Curse depiction 

message: ... If you pause in the Game Boy Advance games (Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land and Kirby and the Amazing Mirror) and Kirby Squeak Squad (and maybe Kirby: Canvas Curse), you can read Kirby's direct thoughts about his current ability? His attitude is also not unlike Kirby's Avalanche; in fact, he's quite arrogant or overconfident in himself. So why does this keep getting overwritten? I think it's worth mentioning. 208.101.145.224 12:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  You do realize that... (about the Personality section) 

message: Now that the article has a fairly decent lead, I assume that the article can be nominated at least for Good Article status? The article has been fairly good for a while now; it just required a few touch-ups here and there, and the 3 paragraph lead. Disaster Kirby 06:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article nomination? 

message: Ok, a few points first there are images without Fair use rationables, second the first paragraph is completely unreferenced, a little suggestion would be to quote the instruction booklet for elements located there, after these issues have been taken care of please contact me and I will reevaluate the article again. -凶 03:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article nomination on hold

message: Ok it looks good, 22 references for an article relatively short is ok, it seems to have a good lead, I'll pass it. The tone needs some work before nominating it for FA, but for now it seems to meet the criteria for GA.-凶 22:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Passing GA

message: I have seen countless Kirby pages, blogs, and manuals, and I have seen the tomatoes referred to as Maxim Tomatoes. However, in the game Super Smash Bros. Melee, it is referred to as a Maximum Tomato. Is one a typo, or is Maxim just short for Maximum?
:While one can assume that Maxim is short for maximum, the item has always been called Maxim Tomatoes in the Kirby games. The spelling in Super Smash Bros. Melee is merely a random misspelling. Disaster Kirby 03:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maxim or Maximum? 

message: Why is it that this article uses Shadow Kirby instead of Mirror-world which is his official name as that's what the ending calls him? 24.159.39.11 11:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Shadow Kirby is his official NA name. His HP bar is labeled 'Shadow Kirby' in-game when you cross paths with him. Disaster Kirby 21:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shadow Kirby?

message: Which is officially closer to the mark? I say shoes because that's what he was clearly wearing in his first promotional image as "Popopo", but I can see how it can be mistaken as shoes since they change color like the rest of his skin and Animal Kirby is obviously transformed and isn't wearing shoes... Also, that one German comic said that Kirby and King Dedede didn't wear shoes, but there's no direct connection to the games / anime. However, Meta Knight, who is shaped very much like Kirby, clearly wears shoes since his appearance was updated to include metallic patches. Your thoughts? 208.101.130.232 14:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Okay, is the red part shoes or feet? 

message: the kirby image should be replaced with the one from Brawl. It is a hundred times nicer, and is the most recent kirby image. it also makes sense because Meta Knight's image is that of Brawls.--Scabloo 14:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also a secondary image rather than the primary one. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kirby Image 

message: The Kirby manga Hoshi no Kirby from CoroCoro Comic which is displayed in the article - is the 21st issue the last issue? The text doesn't clearly say whether the manga is still running or not. --Grandy02 18:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kirby manga ''Hoshi no Kirby''