Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Saints/Archive4

message: I think Peter Baptist and Companions and Martyrs of Japan are two different names for the same subject. I have proposed that they be merged. Any opinions on either page are more than welcome. Thank you. John Carter 14:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are right ... Just notice that Martyrs of Japan also includes a section on a broader set of persons.  I would merge into Martyrs of Japan, rather than vice-versa, so that the term can continue to be defined in that broader sense as well.  Pastordavid 15:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for catching that. I didn't catch that the first time. John Carter 22:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger 

message: Vote at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Moses so as too get Moses into a featured article Java7837 23:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote for Moses to become a featured article vote

message: In AutoWikiBrowsing through :Category: Dominicans, I happened to noticed that the article for Saint Vincent Ferrer is extremely underdeveloped and contains multiple POV claims (phrases like "converted sinners", etc.). I rated the article as high importance (Ferrer is a major saint, after all), and tagged it. The purpose of bringing this to your collective attention is that I would like to begin to really improve this article, sort of along the lines of a "article improvement drive" such as is featured by Project Catholicism (that's an idea, by the way, we could think about having something like that once a week or something, depends). Anyone who would like to jump aboard, please do so. Alekjds talk 04:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alex, check out our Collaboration page (it is linked to on the navigational template.  Feel free to make suggestions for the next collaboration, I was probably going to change it out sometime in the week to come.  -- Pastordavid 05:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, well, didn't see that. Thanks. Alekjds talk 04:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saint Vincent Ferrer 

message: I have turned the old redirect page Saint Amadour into a separate page regarding the alleged hermit of Rocamadour. Please review this page for its content and that of the companion page Saint Amator to determine which content you think belongs where. Thank you. John Carter 18:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amator/Amadour 

message: Why has Sidonius been assigned to be a part of the Eastern Christianity series? Sidonius was a Latin westerner (and while important for the history of his times, hardly important in the history of the Church). Djnjwd 21:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically, because he is recognized as a saint, and has a feast day, as indicated in the article. This is not to say that other projects may not also be able to state that he is relevant to them, but by placing the banner on we will also be able to (eventually) add it to our list of watched articles, and try to prevent any vandalism. Also, in time, as things develop, it is my hope that all those who are regarded as saints will in some form or other be included in the content of the Portal:Saints. But, to do that, we have to know which articles are relevant to the project, and adding banners seems to be the most effective way of doing so. We are not however in any way trying to say that our interest in the article would be greater or lesser than anyone else's who might add similar banners later, just that the article in question is relevant to us. Also, as we have some access to information regarding the subject which might merit inclusion, such as biographical content, I hope that in time we will be able to help add significantly to the content of the article. However, as the person who probably placed the banner, I want you to know that neither I nor the project have any intention of "pushing" content relevant to our specific project, but rather working to improve the article in as neutral and non-biased a way as possible. John Carter 21:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your long and helpful reply. I don't disagree with the Saints Portal having an interest in Sidonius. Maybe I asked the question in the wrong place, but what appears to the reader is the Eastern Christianity infobox, and it was the appropriateness of the "Easternness" that I was querying. Djnjwd 22:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think I added that, so I couldn't respond directly. User:LoveMonkey seems to have added that. That editor is a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy, so you might be able to get a better answer there. John Carter 22:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks again, I'll querit it there.Djnjwd 23:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sidonius Apollinaris 

message: I have some serious concerns regarding the neutrality of the article above. Please see my comments justifying that statement at Talk:Athanasius of Alexandria#POV, and contribute any comments you think appropriate. Thank you. John Carter 19:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV question on [[Athanasius of Alexandria]] 

message: The Mother Teresa article is being hit pretty hard by a small but aggressive group of editors (border-line vandals) trying to basically trash the article, inserting unsubstantiated criticisms.  It's a GA-rated article.  A few of us are trying to deal with it, but it's becoming difficult.  Any extra eyes and monitoring would be greatly apprecited!  --Anietor 05:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mother Teresa]] article  

message: I would appreciate your comments on Talk:Leonard_of_Noblac. An anonymous user wants to add content about how St. Leonard is venerated in a particular episode of a popular TV series.imars (talk) 08:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Comment St. Leonard 

message: I am trying to see if I can find out any information about a Saint Julian of Moraime in Galicia, Spain. He might also be described as San Xiao de Moraime. Where should I look?--Filll (talk) 23:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Saint Julian of Moraime

message: Why is Kierkegaard listed under the featured saints articles?  I cannot find him listed by a saint by any religious denomination--and in fact he was an outspoken critic of structured Christian churches.  Chevalier3 (talk) 19:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically, he is included because he is included in the Calendar of Saints (Lutheran).  You'll note Elizabeth Cady Stanton, an atheist, is included as well. The reason for her inclusion is her being named in the Calendar of saints (Episcopal Church in the United States of America). Because they're included on these calendars, they are relevant to the project, and I hope that should either article ever be challenged on the basis of quality or other content matters, we will be as involved, fairly and objectively, as any other related group. Right now, I myself am probably primarily involved in the Biography project more than Saints, unfortunately, and I can say that it is our purpose to improve or maintain the quality of all articles relevant to our group fairly and objectively. It serves our purposes no more than anyone else's to try to lay undue emphasis on "our" content, and in neither of the cases above is or should the content relevant to their position on a calendar be overemphasized. The same is true of several similar characters, as well. However, we like having FAs and the like to show off on our portal too, and we want to keep as many as we can at that level. I hope that answer is sufficient and acceptable to you. John Carter (talk) 16:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Soren Kierkegaard

message: Could someone with more knowledge take a look at Ignatius, an editor went through in October and changed the links around, likely trying to improve the look but made the father of a Korean link to Ignatius of Loyola by wfying a reference to a Saint Ignatius, it's a list of saints, so they're all Saint Ignatius, but I have no idea where the article should be going or if it actually exists - nor if any errors were made to the other links.  Thanks.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 05:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked the external links for the Korean guy, and found that the person's full name was Ignatius Kim. Updated the Ignatius page accordingly, that should take care of this one. I didn't check the other links, they could still use checking. Wesley (talk) 05:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Did you find anything to confirm that Ignatius Kim was a Saint?  His son, Andrew Kim Taegon was canonized in 1984, but the only outside references to Ignatius Kim that I find, indicate that he was beatified in 1925 but make no mention of canonization except with respect to his son.   See, e.g., other lists of saints do not name him at all even in articles about his son.  Even if he is notable, if he's not a saint, we shouldn't list him under Saints should we?--Doug.(talk • contribs) 04:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

text:  I note that the article Korean_Martyrs reports that they were all canonized in 1984 in Seoul (including Andrew Kim Taegon, but it doesn't provide a reference and I don't find this on any of the sites I searched except for Saint Andrew Kim Taegon.  --Doug.(talk • contribs) 03:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ignatius]] erroneous disambiguation links 

message: I have suggested that Ailbhe be merged into Ailbe, because they appear to be the same person. I know little or nothing about this area, so pls can someone with relevant expertise take a look at this?  Thanks!  --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. John Carter (talk) 01:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ailbe and Ailbhe 

message: Is St. Theodore, 9th century anti-iconoclast the same as Theodore the Studite?  Regards, Whpq (talk) 18:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: St. Theodore, 9th century anti-iconoclast

message: As most of you will be aware the blessed Father Damien is about to be elevated to sainthood. Over on his article there has been a large amount of activity- however the article has attracted the attention of a few sock-puppets who tend to attack other users over belief in miracles and accuse them of biased editing. Are there any experienced editors here who would like to come on down and help with the article? Gavin Scott (talk) 10:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Father Damien is in need of in-line citations. Any help would be most welcome. -- Secisek (talk) 21:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with [[Father Damien]]