Talk:Seal of the president of the United States

message: Could someone provide a reference to the statement about it being illegal to sell items with the seal on it?  I'm just curious. Mattlary 18:41, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
: It is part of U.S. law; 18 U.S.C § 713.  Carl Lindberg (talk) 18:53, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: However, "...there is one exception. The U.S. Secret Service is allowed to use the Seal on items being sold to benefit their charitable fund." ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Legality of Selling items with seal

message: The article currently states: "Many people the arrows in its left talon."  Certainly; an episode of The West Wing, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs makes reference to the myth of the head turning. either it was intentional on the part of the wirters, or someone never told the writers the story is a myth
: The presidential seal once did have the eagle's head facing to the left, at least between 1877 and 1945, see here.  Also, it is possible that an early presidential seal was made which, while the eagle still faced its right, the arrows and olive branch switched legs.  See here. Carl Lindberg (talk) 18:53, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Changing direction?

message: The world "seal" reminds me the United States Navy SEALs. Is there any connection between this two words? No, the SEALS you speak of ar an unrelated acronym.CApitol3 12:10, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: US Navy SEALs?

message: This article needs a section on the symbolism of the seal.  For example, what are those several orbs above the eagle's head, and what do they stand for?  And so on.  --Skb8721 17:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are cloud puffs, I guess somewhat taken from the Great Seal.  The current seal is defined by Executive Order 10823, which superseded earlier versions.  See also here.  Carl Lindberg (talk) 18:53, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

text: You're right about the stars (good catch).  Interesting, since it not likely to be arbitrary; certainly they could have made it look tidier by putting all 13 above the banner, as it is the 4 below look out of place. I'm sure the tin-foil hat crowd have an explanation.  I can't find a reference, but I know the answer (original research) -- 9 stars above, 4 below; subtract 4 from 9 = 5; 5-sided star = pentagram = devil worship; therefore all presidents are sworn to worship the devil. Quod Erat Demonstrandum ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 21:34, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the placement is completely arbitrary.  The mistaken wording referred to in the earlier post was fixed years ago.  Carl Lindberg (talk) 20:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Need for Symbolism Discussion

message: Can we have "US Presidential Seal" redirect to this article? Seem reasonable enough! 92.9.92.72 (talk) 13:57, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect

message: When it talks about where the misconceptions came from on the eagle facing the arrows in time of war, and this is where I actually had the belief from, there was a special, pretty sure it was The History Channel, slim chance it was PBS, but I believe it was called The White House: Behind Closed Doors. It had those twins with blonde hair, guys, I think they do something with antiques on another show, but Laura Bush brought them into the Oval Office and pretty much said that they wanted to have the Eagle facing the olive branch instead of the arrows, so that might be another addition to this section. 
And for uses of the Presidential Seal, I read something somewhere else that the Hall Of Presidents at Disney World actually had to get an act of congress to approve installation of the seal on this ride/exhibit. Might be worth adding if sourced.Zdawg1029 (talk) 20:08, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt it took an actual act of Congress -- that would be an easy reference to provide and look up, and would be of interest if that existed.  If it was just permission from the White House, that's a lot more common.  Carl Lindberg (talk) 03:56, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You know what I think you're right. Cancel thenZdawg1029 (talk) 12:10, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misconception and Uses 

message: I noticed there are 13 stars surrounding the E Pluribus Unum banner in the center. Does the fact nine are above the ribbon and four below represent the original 13 states with the four that seceded: Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia being the lower four? Eric Cable  !  Talk  22:03, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The stars surrounding e pluribus unum 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved except Seal of the President of Ukraine, which was withdrawn. Arguments made in favour of MOS:CAPS and MOS:JOBTITLES were not contested to a convincing degree. (non-admin closure) Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 20:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Other similar examples include the Crown of Rus, the Crystal Sceptre of the mayor of London, the Mace of the United States House of Representatives (Mace of the Republic), and the Great Seal of Canada. More broadly, examples of specific significant objects whose names are capitalized include the Mariinskyi Palace, the Peresopnytsia Gospel, the Crown of Rus, and the Hope Diamond. —Michael Z. 16:45, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You may have a point regarding the Ukrainian seal... I'm withdrawing my proposal for that. WikiEditor50 (talk) 09:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't rely on an unreferenced article to conclude that something is a proper name, even if it's a specfic object (which the article doesn't even claim – "the new seal" is a specific one, but suggests there's at least one more). Dicklyon (talk) 21:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. So that’s something to confirm or deny before nominating that article for a move.  —Michael Z. 21:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 18 May 2023