Talk:Shocker (gesture)

message: There are no references.  slambo 10:32, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delisted GA 

message: Who the hell made that list? Whoever did, good job! From ChewT 20:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dot Dot Dot 

message: As a hand gesture, I think the casual observer would understand this article better with a picture. Can anyone provide a good (non copyvio) picture to put on the page? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 04:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The picture on there now does not show the thumb extended as described in the text. --Gbleem 06:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: I am not the one who enterd two in the pink one in the stink. Though there is no reason for this censorship. non-censorship is what the internet is about. These slang terms are used throughtout highschool and colleges all over, I should know, I live in one.  JedOs   07:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * The list problem I can understand. But, why is "Two in the _______, one in the _______," being censored in the article?  JedOs   19:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * The form with the blanks is a generalized form that describes almost all the variations of this saying. There are some who insist on putting in a less generalized, more specific form there which is less descriptive of the actual phenomenon. I would not be opposed to having 1-5 examples, e.g. "Two in the pink, one in the stink." However, I feel that if we allow any specific examples, the list will just repopulate itself, and we'll have the same problem all over again. Thoughts? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 21:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *I absolutely agree, we dont have to give a list. But "Two in the pink, one in the stink." should be shown.  JedOs   00:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * I would have no problem with one or two examples. tregoweth 07:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

text: * Okay, I have added one example, which I feel is the most widely used one and probably about the only one from the list actually in wide usage. Googling "Two in the pink, one in the stink" yields 827 pages. The only other one I've heard in major usage, "Two in the coo, one in the poo" only yields 5 Google hits. Most of the others from the list probably yield zero. Hopefully this 1 example won't increase the edits to repopulate the list. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 08:02, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * I agree with the above comments, and think that "two in the pink, one in the stink" should be included.  I think that stuff like this is what makes Wikipedia better than all other encyclopedias, because it has entries such as this one, documenting things that other encyclopedias would most certainly leave out.  Kerkyra 05:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship 

message: There's an important difference between displaying the shocker and delivering it: to display it is just to show the gesture, but to deliver it is to actually put it in the bodily cavities.
I saw it misstated in the caption of the picture of the cheerleader in the 'Notable Appearances' section; I'm lazy, so I haven't checked anywhere else. Just don't mix that up—it sets a bad precedence. >_> <_< -Dan 05:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Careful with 'delivery'! 

message: I disagree, or at least, this information needs to be sourced. I have a picture of me doing the Shocker on the rock n roller coaster in Feb of 2005. In addition to the original disagreement I posted before (first sentence), I did a shocker on Space Mountain at Disneyland Park on October 5,2006 and it showed up fine. If it is something that is removed (and I am sure boob shots and middle fingers are), then the shocker must not be an official policy or needs to be sourced, so I removed the paragraph.
At Walt Disney World's Rock 'n' Roller Coaster, Steven Tyler of Aerosmith can be seen making the gesture during the preshow.  Despite this fact, if a guest makes the gesture at one of its attractions where a souvenir photo is taken, the photo will not be displayed and it will not be allowed for purchase.
MikeSims 16:56, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disney bans the Shocker?

message: "two for the Pink, one for the stink" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.2.54.228 (talk) 23:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "shocker" 

message: He uses the shocker as his gesture, should this be on here?
:Hardy's hand signal is different. He touches his thumb to his ring finger, and spreads his index and middle fingers apart. It's not supposed to be a 'shocker', it's supposed to look like "V1" for "Version One", his nickname. 74.70.171.36 15:05, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matt Hardy

message: I removed the mnemonic listcruft, since it obviously violates Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. --Bkkbrad 22:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I'll keep removing it. hmwithtalk 14:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List cruft 

message: Should this nonsense really be the main direct for shocker? Wouldn't the Spider-Man villain and the horror movie be more relevant? I've never heard or seen this gesture before. There's not even a disambiguation page at the top. 68.166.70.23 04:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance 

message: Is the shocker a common gesture outside of the US?  I have a non-American friend who displays the gesture proudly in photographs, which is quite dissonant with her other behavior and makes me wonder if she understands the meaning.  Are there different meanings in other parts of the world?  65.12.16.199 07:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The same gesture is the number 6 in sign language as well.  hmwith  talk 19:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's used in Australia occasionally for the connotations expressed here, that is, as a general vulgar reference, just as the middle finger is...not as commonly, and generally in a humorous light rather than agressively. 
It is also called the 'barracuda' in Australia, after the fish.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.142.197 (talk) 13:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strictly American, or more international? 

message: I'm sure there are about a million people who claim to have "invented" the shocker, but could there be a verifiable source concerning the origin of the gesture?  Secondly...has anyone actually ever Tried the shocker?  Do women like it? I see the gesture a lot, but in reality I think it's kind of impractical (sexually speaking).  You can't ask your partner if she wants the shocker...that's the whole point! it's the SHOCKer.  I tried it on my girlfriend once and she FREAKED (and I don't mean in a good way).Antimatter---talk--- 06:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been around far longer than 1999 (when CollegeHumor was established), so that idea definitely is false. нмŵוτнτ 01:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: think some kid did it on conan obrien once. conan thought it was a gang sign at first  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.30.187.161 (talk) 14:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL, your g/f actually freaked out! Usually, people are too timid to get mad in bed. Maybe there was just too much shock factor in your shocker. I've been using it for years now, and just recently stumbled on this site. The ring finger has to be curled back to ovoid the perenium (taint). As long as you make it seem like an accident (sort of like the booby brush) you can get away with it. As for who invented the shocker, I'm sure even the ancient Romans used it =P Paskari (talk) 12:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

message: So my new girlfriend (lucky me, huh!) mentioned that there were variations on this theme for every hand configuration. I think this would be a decent addition to this page. I believe the original picture with the titles is on collegehumor.com: http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1750050. The titles are Teaser, Pleaser, Shocker, Spocker, Rocker, and Showstopper. Seems they're missing a few configurations (anal only, four in the vagina, fisting, anal fisting, double fisting, etc.) but they do cover what could be considered the more practical configurations/variations of the theme.
707l7r57 (talk) 00:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variations 

message: GW Bush unwittingly making the gesture, plus a presumably public domain photo: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/11/images/20081112_d-0077-5-515h.html Modest Genius talk 19:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He's most likely doing the Arizona Sun Devils "pitchfork" (see mention in article). OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:08, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It could probably be worked in as an example of what is not a shocker, and demonstrating that the fingers must be placed together.  —Sladen (talk) 01:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Revised archive link, for anyone who cares:  .. Sincerely, your bemused (and slightly horrified ) WikiGnome Jimw338 (talk) 17:41, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bush 

message: The page has been protected because of repeat "haha, Bush did the shocker" insertions.  Let's clarify this: this is the Arizona State University pitchfork. Note the separation of all fingers. As illustrated on the Shocker page, the index and middle fingers are placed together. Class dismissed. OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Pitchfork (hand gesture) for more information to anyone that still does not understand. Cardsplayer4life (talk) 10:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: Anyone know for sure where the name came from? I know that the Wichita State Shockers use a gesture very much like this (with the thumb extended, it looks like a W). If not, it's a pretty cool coincidence that a team called the Shockers uses a hand gesture called the shocker that was named independently. -skylights76 (talk) 20:46, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: If you just spread your index and middle finger (while DISPLAYING the gesture, not actually performing the act, obviously), it becomes a W, signifying alliance to the West Coast. So I'm pretty sure that it is easy to accidentally do the shocker gesture, right? 24.189.87.160 (talk) 23:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  West Coast sign 

message: The way I learned this, in the mid-90s, was with the thumb extended. THAT was the shocker. More of an electric shock than a shock of surprise. College Humor sort of pioneered the thumbless shocker (in my awareness), but it was always slightly annoying to my "real" shocker. No one else has this definition?
Mtkoan (talk) 00:53, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Thumb 

message: The reference number four contains the link "Picking Splinters March's Ls & Ws", which leads to 404. The reference should either be removed or the link corrected. Anyone? --White rotten rabbit (talk) 08:45, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link 

message: I'm surprised this isn't mentioned-- I had been under the impression this was the origin of the shocker, though now I think I was wrong, as I don't see it claimed that this was the gesture's origin, and from other comments, it sounds like it appeared earlier elsewhere.
Rotten.com article about the Hanover High School shocker controversy
Quick summary:  In 2000, 34 students were told all yearbook photos in which they appeared doing the shocker would be retaken-- not just without them doing the shocker, but without the offending students appearing whatsoever... and at their expense.  They'd also have to do community service, and absence from that service would mean not receiving their diplomas.  Parents were so outraged with this punishment that the principal who imposed it eventually resigned.  The hands doing the shocker were simply airbrushed out of the photos. M-1 (talk) 21:52, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Archive link:  Jimw338 (talk) 17:45, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most famous case(?) :  Hanover High School 

message: Wasn't this gesture originally a traditional Orthodox Christian sign of blessing used in icons? Examples:
Saint Nicholas making the sign
Jesus making the sign
And again
And again
Should it be mentioned, if nothing else, that this gesture has very different older meanings than the one currently described in the article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.189.4.93 (talk) 03:21, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use in Christian iconography 

message: There's a buddhist handgesture that looks similar in principle. The right hand's ringfinger touches the tip of the thumb (forming a circle), with middle- and indexfinger held together and straight and the pinky also straight. The hand is hold at shoulder level. If my memory serves right, it should be the "Gesture of Discord" or "Kartari". ––85.178.187.141 (talk) 17:43, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buddhist Mudra 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have twice removed the popular culture section. The first time it was sourced to an unreliable source. It was put back with the comment that three reliable sources were added. All three sources said the same thing, that according to the unreliable source this happened. The according to in the three sources make then unreliable for this information. We would need a reliable source to say it happened. -- GB fan 22:09, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not quite sure how this source isn't valid. I thought that fairly obvious information was accepted on Wikipedia. Steven Tyler himself (verifiable) posted a tweet on twitter about the situation... Hawkeye75 (talk) 22:56, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article you linked to above says "According to the Inside the Magic site,"  It isn't Billboard saying this, if it was then it would be a reliable source. The whole thing is attributed to a single non reliable source. -- GB fan 23:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Inside The Magic is a valid source since it's "been featured in the Orlando Sentinel, on FOX35 and Local 6 news in Orlando, and won Best Best Produced Podcast in the 2011 Podcast Awards". There "articles, photos, and videos have been referenced and linked to by popular web sites and news outlets including LA Times, New York Times, Fox News, USA Today, Yahoo!, MSN, Huffington Post, Boing Boing, and even Perez Hilton." read more here. Hawkeye75 (talk) 23:14, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is a self published website with no editorial oversight. It is not a reliable source. -- GB fan 23:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture section 

message: I have removed all three links, making this article up for speedy deletion. The first link is corrupt. The second link is an author's opinions, and not facts (Wikipedia:Neutral point of view). The third link is invalid per WP:RSSELF, as it is a self-published book. Hawkeye75 (talk) 22:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing the sources does not make the article eligible for speedy deletion. -- GB fan 22:57, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry that was not the context I meant to push. But WP:IRS claims "If no reliable sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." Hawkeye75 (talk) 23:00, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  That would be a reason to WP:PROD or WP:AFD the article but not speedy delete it. I have been around long enough to know the reasons to keep or delete an article. -- GB fan 23:04, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

text: The first source still exists; it appears that the newspaper's archives are not currently working. It is not "corrupt", and there is no reason to remove it. The second source is acceptable per WP:IRS. NPOV applies to content, not sources. The third source is questionable and may require further review. Regards, James (talk/contribs) 23:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've provided an archived version of the first source and removed the third source as self-published. Regards, James (talk/contribs) 23:47, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  August 2016 

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