Talk:Dandy

message: 1775:
:Yankee doodle went to town, riding on a pony.
:Stuck a feather in his hat and called it Macaroni.
:Yankee doodle keep it up.
:Yankee doodle DANDY.
:Mind the music and the steps and 
:let the girls be handy.''
DANDY predates 1790 by at least 15 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.235.44.73 (talk • contribs) 
Yankee Doodle may date to the 1750s, but if you have a look at the wikipedia page on it, the original lyrics are quite different to those sung today and don't seem to include the word 'dandy.  The current full Oxford English Dictionary gives the earliest printed citation as "c1780 Sc. Song (see N. & Q. 8th Ser. IV. 81), I've heard my granny crack O' sixty twa years back When there were sic a stock of Dandies O; Oh they gaed to Kirk and Fair, Wi' their ribbons round their hair, And their stumpie drugget coats, quite the Dandy O.", where it at least seems to be being used in the same basic sense as in the current version of Yankee Doodle.  The OED doesn't reference the song Yankee Doodle (although the OED possibly isn't the best source on early European American words - their first cite for 'Yankee/Yankey/Yankie' isn't until 1765).  I'll come back in a couple of days and if no-one has added any comments here I'll edit the article to at least reference the OED citation. Caitifty (talk) 03:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Accuracy of etymology

message: I’ve edited and clarified the section on female dandies, it application and evolution.  During the Regency period, when “dandy” had a more immature meaning of “fop”, then the notion of female dandies are documented in the historic literature.  At this time, they were called dandyess, dandizette, dandysette, or dandisette.  Then, after “dandy” took on it more modern day meaning of refinement, it became applied exclusively to men.  Ladies could not be dandies, any more than men could become lesbians.  Instead, the female side branched out and developed own distinct philosophy, called quaintrellism.  This split is better noted and explained.
Though I appreciate the identification of the courtesan as the female dandy, I would argue that the Vamp in the Theda Bara style might be more appropriate.  This image captures the inner pride of the dandy whilst using her beauty and sexuality to make an impact. DLS
: All definitions of "dandy" do apply to Theda Bara. Go for it, keeping strictly to an application of the definitions (skirting Original Research). Another female dandy: The flamboyant marchesa Luisa Casati, hostess to the Ballets Russes in the Palazzo "Non Finita" (now the Peggy Guggenheim Museum), Venice, and the subject of numerous portraits by  Boldini, Troubetzkoy, Man Ray and Augustus John.  She walked a pair of ocelots on leashes, and the Venetians at any rate were thoroughly epatés...--Wetman 20:19, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Female Dandy 

message: A clueless hash-up of this article has been made today by someone who thinks "18th century' means the 1800s, thinks that dandyism is passé and can't spell Britain. --Wetman 09:13, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent editing

message: I was thinking a discussion of dandies in relation to metrosexuality would be a good addition.
:Excellent. Give it a header :Main article: Metrosexual and don't be shy to adapt any material you find there that relates to "dandy". (Don't cannibalize Metrosexual, though.) And why not log in!--Wetman 10:38, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metrosexual 

message: This article definitely should mention the flâneur.  I'm pretty sure that flânerie is the older of the two trends, and that dandyism is supposed to have emerged from it in some obscure way, possibly under commercial pressures.  Speaking of which, dandyism probably deserves some consideration as an early example of the subculture under modern mass society. --WadeMcR 08:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flâneur 

message: I could swear I'd seen references to gay dandies. Obviously, there's Wilde. Would it be acceptable to include a section on gay male dandies? samwaltz 09:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gay Dandies

message: From article para 1: "thus a dandy could be considered a kind of snob, or, alternatively, either a warrior in the class struggle or a class traitor."
If we are mainly talking about dandies in their heyday, early 19th century, then the reference to class is quite anachronistic - Marxism hadn't even been formulated, and I doubt any dandy would have thought in terms of class struggle even if it had. I note that someone has put a citation-need tag against that assertion - because it does stand as a bold assertion at the beginning of the article, with no development of this theme, or even supporting references for the assertion, within the article.
I have deleted the the references to class. If someone can point to previously published analysis, then include it back into the article. However, because of the anachronism involved, I wouldn't think Marxist class terminology would be appropriate for the introductory first paragraph. --Iacobus 01:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dandy and Class 

message: Given these connotations, dandyism can be seen as apolitical protestestations against the rise of egalitarian principles — often including nostalgic.... Is that a word? I'm no native speaker of English Lio 19:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a word I've seen used before, but I don't think it's a particularly good word, since the simpler protest/protests will do fine. --Iacobus 05:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Seems it was changed to protestations --Lio 20:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think pro-testes-tastions is another word for to tea-bagging.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.198 (talk) 22:15, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  protestestations? 

message: Iv added a small bit about an arts collective i read about, i just need someone who has the know-how to format it a bit better. iv put all the info there just needs formatted sorry im not so clever in regards to editting references etc. it was just a small piece i read in a magasine which is relevant. 
Thanks.
== False quote? ==
Is that second, almost identical quote bogus? 80.175.158.1 (talk) 14:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Later Dandyism 

message: Is that second, almost identical quote bogus? 80.175.158.1 (talk) 14:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  False quote? 

message: We owe a vote of thanks to User:Beland who so generously scattered "fact" and "pov' notices throughout the text, 23 March 2008. That's editing!--Wetman (talk) 08:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Splendid POV tagging

message: My suggestion is in regards to the following quote from the article:
In the 21st century, the word "dandy" is a jocular, often sarcastic adjective meaning "fine" or "great", while "a dandy" refers to a well-groomed, well-dressed, and self-absorbed man.
I think the intended meaning of the sentence may be obvious to those already familiar with the word, but the sentence is not clearly worded.  When the word dandy is used sarcastically, the intention is the inversion of its meaning. The quoted text above implies that when dandy is used sarcastically, it means fine or great, when, in fact, the opposite is true.  I think paragraph should be reworded as follows: 
In the 21st century, "dandy" can be used as a noun meaning "a well-groomed, well-dressed, and self-absorbed man". As an adjective, "dandy" means "fine" or "great", however, it is often used sarcastically to indicate the opposite meaning.
This change is minor, especially if you are familiar with the word and its common usage. However, I think it's important to keep in mind how articles will be perceived by non-anglophones who are not familiar with the colloquial uses of the term.
RationalResponse (talk) 23:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested Change to Improve Clarity

message: I seem to recall there being some kind of "Southern dandy" thing, I got here through an article on a Louisiana politician, but I'm not sure any Southerner is mentioned in this. Am I mistaken?--T. Anthony (talk) 16:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The US South or at least Louisiana 

message: firstly the long lists and picture collection near the end of the article look awful, and secondly I think some mention should be made of the fact that when most people think of a dandy, what they actually have in mind is a macaroni. Dandys were elegant, subtle, and refined, whereas macaronis were a riot of colour, effeminate manners, quizzing glasses and ludicrous wigs.
31.53.31.161 (talk) 14:44, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dandy/macAroni confusion 

message: Would you include ... Stephen Fry? David Beckham? Michael Douglas? The young Hugh Hefner? Some of the Black Rapper-style musicians?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.5.121 (talk) 11:45, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very modern dandies. 

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message: In English Wikipedia there is an article about "dandy" though there is no article about "dandyism".
On the other hand Spanish Wikipedia has articles about both "dandy" and "dandyism".
* https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandi
* https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandismo
There are also five languages: Català, עברית, Italiano, 한국어, Polski - in which there is an article about "dandyism" and not about "dandy".
I believe it should be unified so that all these articles in all languages would be linked together. Helias (talk) 20:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "dandy" vs "dandyism" and integration between languages 

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