Talk:Courtney Love/Cobain case

message: Does anyone agree that this shouldn't be on here? It really relates to the Kurt Cobain page, it doesn't really have an impact on Courtney's bio.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chickpeaface (talk • contribs) 17:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's thoroughly covered at Kurt Cobain#Suicide dispute. I've been talking with Cobaincase (talk · contribs) about this through email. We have come to an agreement that the prose about it is enough on the Cobain article, and unnecessary here. But he does want at least a link to the Suicide dispute section there which I added but it was reverted. I agree with Cobaincase that there should be some link of the evidence at least, because if there is enough verifiable sources and information to make a whole section about how Cobain's suicide is disputed and there is evidence to suggest Love was directly involved, there has to be some kind of connection here. This edit would be the bare minimum. -- Reaper  X 05:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that it should say 'dispute' on it though, because unless seattle police rule it as a murder or implicate Courtney, it's slander, which is obviously not appropriate. How about something that says "See also:Kurt Cobain Suicide"Chickpeaface 18:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that would be a completely different matter to be dealt with on Cobain's talk page. -- Reaper  X 05:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

text: As you have already been told, the alleged controversy surrounding his death is covered at Kurt Cobain#Suicide dispute, in a neutral, factual manner.  It is not appropriate to cover it here, as it is very slanderous to imply that Courtney Love was responsible.  You obviously are either a fan of or perhaps the creator of this cobaincase.com site, as you have named your Wiki account after it.  Your edits are attempting to present the conspiracy theory as fact, and that is 'not going to fly here.  Also, Please stop making accusations about other users' agendas, as continuing with that behavior is going to land you in hot water as well. Tarc 13:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have already discussed this with you personally as well, Cobaincase. I'd also advise you not to accuse any editors of scandalous behaviour (see WP:NPA). -- Reaper  X 16:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You'll find I don't have an email address available as I do not appreciate you cobaincase spamming my inbox with conspiracy theories that most people left in the 90's with the X Files. Why don't you put all this energy into a "crime" that actually happened? Unless seattle police rule it otherwise Kurt Cobain committed suicide, and putting so on Courtney Love's page to suggest otherwise is slander.Chickpeaface (talk) 11:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Reliable sources state that the official findings was that it was a suicide.  You unreliable sources are given their due in Kurt Cobain#Suicide dispute, along with sources to counter their allegations.  Du to policies regarding biographies of living persons, this info cannot be added to this page, unless it is ever confirmed that Love had a hand in this.  Period.  I believe that that is about as clear as it can be explained to you. Tarc (talk) 13:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

text: FYI, I have opened a case at the BLP noticeboard, so we can hopefully put an end to this. Tarc (talk) 13:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks Tarc, I couln't have put it better myself. Chickpeaface (talk) 18:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Well I said to Cobaincase that if there is going to be any mention of these allegations in this article, we would have to carefully craft it here so that we don't violate WP:BLP. If we were to do this, we must definitely include that these are allegations. Also, it should be short enough that it isn't a coatrack, and it relates directly to Love herself. Whether we should have it at all, I will remain neutral there. -- Reaper  X 22:02, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  KC suicide dispute