Talk:Gun moll

message: from VfD:
Dictdef.   --fvw<SMALL>*</SMALL> 04:54, 2004 Dec 22 (UTC)
* Yes, but isn't there potential? The term is pretty specific to a period (roughly 1920s-1940s, I think). I'm guessing that there could be a good article on its etymology, on the cultural stereotype, etc. Keep, someone should write a real article here. -- Jmabel | Talk 09:40, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
*Transwiki to Wiktionary, unless someone can do some significant fleshing out.  Otherwise keep.  Were there any notable gun molls about whom we should write?  Was there an important gun moll culture?  Was there more to the stereotype than a sentence or two appropriate for a dictdef?  --TenOfAllTrades 15:16, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  VfD 

message: The definition of Gunsel on this page is wrong.
:Gunsel (noun)
::1. A young man kept for homosexual purposes; a catamite.
::2. (street and prison slang) A passive partner in anal intercourse.
A lot of people think that Gunsel means something more like a hired gun, or a young gun carrying thug because of Hammet's use of the word in the novel "The Maltese Falcon", but that was just a joke on the censors. Hammet knew what the word meant. 
I'm deleting Gunsel from the main page because of this and its lack of anything whatsoever to do with the term "Gun Moll" 
See the wiktionary link for further information on the term Gunsel. 
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gunsel
Shelshula (talk) 02:10, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Related terms

message: It currently that that "In the U.S., the term has mostly been applied to a woman associating with an American gangster of the 1920s and 1930s, and in most cases remarkable only because of his notoriety".  But isn't the term essentially only a US name anyway?  The article implies that the term is international, with a narrower definition in the USA.Royalcourtier (talk) 05:30, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

message: Part of what intrigues me about this term is the wild ambiguity of it.  For example, could Princess Leia be called the "gun moll" of Han Solo?  In the movie Mr. & Mrs. Smith, is Jane John's "gun moll"?  Would Patricia Hearst, under the name Tania, have been the "gun moll" of men in the SLA?   According to some versions of the legend, Guinevere kept Excalibur safe for King Arthur for years, so would that make her his "gun moll"?  Was Lady Macbeth the "gun moll" of Macbeth?  First of all, it's not obvious to me that the weaponry literally needs to be "guns" if the relationship is the same, because the term is clearly about a relationship (in a way, Guinevere is closer to the relationship than the others mentioned).  More importantly, though, at what level of empowerment does the female stop being a "gun moll" and start being a woman warrior in her own right?  I chose these examples to be questionable, to call attention to the fact that the term needs a far more precise definition.  
Isn't the term rife with patriarchal assumptions about the supposed "frailty" or "weakness" of women, who supposed only could assist the "more powerful" man, and never be fierce or threatening in their own right?  If such patriarchy is part and parcel of the term, shouldn't this be explicitly addressed in the article?  Surely there are some academic feminist writings on the topic!  Lapisphil (talk) 05:00, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Precise Definition