Talk:Leonte Tismăneanu

message: To my edit summary, I will add: the "source" does not even say that she did not have training et al. It merely implies, alleges, pretends. Dahn 15:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Dahn asked me to protect this article. I'm not doing that: this seems to be a content dispute, not vandalism or other breach of rules. However, Dahn makes what looks like a pretty solid case for his version of the article. I would hope that if the anonymous editor disagreeing with him wishes to continue the exchange, he or she does so here on the talk page instead of inserting into the article material against which Dahn has made a good (and so far unrebutted) prima facie case. 
If Goma's charges are to be included at all, then certainly response to the charges should be included as well. - Jmabel | Talk 19:21, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your prompt response. Myself, I believe that details of the Tism.-Goma debate belong on other pages, and this page should refer to the minimum of relevant information (that is, what Goma is talking about, and, briefly, in what context - I have provided the latter in my last edit; after all, it is not humanly possible to pinpoint who said what in the debate without having to go into a lot of details, some of which involve Bessarabia during WWII). Dahn 19:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status of article 

message: I tried to repair the references provided by Vintila Barbu but the reference list does not look right... (Icar 15:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  syntax 

message: I introduced a reference to Petre Opriş in "Dosarele Istoriei", year IX, nr. 12(100)/2004, pp. 11-15, which shows that in 1954 Tismaneanu did not have a PhD since the CC asked for permission for an extraordinary defence, without the legal requirements. The fact that Communist leaders in Romania did not have diplomas is common knowledge and needs not be referenced as such. But in the above reference I give, this fact is actually exposed as ALL indoctrinators and propagandists needed a sort of fishy PhD procedure. I do not understand Dahn's remark. in fact I disagree with his removing of referenced, relevant material. (Icar 09:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the name of the article? Dahn 09:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I gave the title for all references. Surely, yours has a title as well. Dahn 10:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I asked you to provide the title, per a single perspective on format. What I believe about it is irrelevant to you. Dahn 10:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  data about PhD 

message: Since a new edit conflict threatens to break out, I am proposing a compromise based on common sense and Wiki rules: let us adopt a version including all sourced information. It is exactly what I did in my edit, which was uncommented reverted by Khoikhoi. 
BTW, I am kindly inviting Khoikhoi to participate to our discussion in order to find a common solution. Just reverting the work of others, as he just did, is not very helpful. Please, present by yourself the reasons for your edits, Khoikhoi.
I must mention however, that in my version I removed one sourced information, that referring to the moniker of Tismăneanu - The Cripple. It is true that he was surnamed this way by his students at the Philosophy Faculty in Bucharest. This rather crude surname was given to him as an expression of aversion against a very bad professor, notorious for his incompetence and his fiercely Stalinist dogmatism. Actually, he continued to be a “Stalinist beast” up to the 1970s, making other professors at the Faculty – who either professed Marxism-Leninism – to feel very uneasy. As he went on pension, a general breath out relieved the Faculty. 
I suppose that one of the reasons why his incomparably smarter son Volodea couldn’t reach a position at the Faculty (to which, IMO, he would have been intellectually entitled), was just the very bad experience the Faculty had with his father. People act emotionally, and the simply thought of having another Tismăneanu in the staff might have frightened many people. This is completely irrational, since Volo was known as smart and – under given circumstances – tending towards “enlightened” Communism. Nevertheless, it was how it was. Now, enough with recalling.
Khoikhoi, don’t forget to express your reasons for your edits. You have repeatedly on several articles just reverted to Dahn’s version, without any other contribution or even a comment. This kind of “teamwork”, where Dahn is the brain and you are the hands, is little flattering for you. Besides, it represents an infringement of Wiki rules and spirit: you may very well know that every editor must be responsible for his edits. You are not only breaking WP, you are maneuvring yourself into the unconditional executor of Dahn’s will. I know that you are able to understand very complicated contexts and subtle details, I also know that you are able to take wise decisions in extremely complex situations and I cannot understand why are you letting yourself transforming into an instrument of someone else. Just dare to be yourself. On the other hand, if you really have a point on this article, don’t forget that we need your experience and cleverness. Come along with content and solutions, not just with reverts.
--Vintila Barbu 12:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  My compromise proposal and Khoikhoi's reverts 

message: I propose to separate all the conflicting issues in 1 paragraph each. I start with "Ciungul". here is my opinion: I would find it well-placed in the lead since this was indeed his nickname. He is not alive anymore so no sensitivity is hurt by calling him "Cripple". If someone can prove that it hurts anybody to emphasize this nickname more that it deserves, it is another matter. Along the same line of thought, how about Pantiusa? This is a nick for the NKVD general Panteleimon Bodnarenko, first director of the Securitate, who used in Romania the name Pintilie. Should we discard Pantiusa? (Icar 13:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negotiation 

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