Talk:Federal Protective Service (United States)

message: Does anyone have info on when they started adding POLICE on badges cars and uniforms? If so this needs to be added.Sattmaster (talk) 23:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: POLICE logos

message: Throughout Wikipedia the terminology "Federally Owned" needs to be rightfully replaced with PUBLICLY OWNED as the Federal Government does not own anything, everything they have is held in trust for the American citizens. Whether it is land, buildings, vehicles, Social Security funds, etc., they own nothing. This is a slippery slope our society has been following, words have distinct meaning and a lot more care should be shown as to that meaning.
This is obviously not the place to discuss Constitutional Law, but it might be beneficial if people find out what the difference is between a Representative Republic (American form of governance) versus Fascism (where we are headed), Socialism, and the like.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.148.116 (talk) 15:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Everyone needs to stop using "Federally Owned"

message: Please refrain from adding political diatribe to advance your own particular agenda.
"Federal Protective Service is an "incestuous nest of corruption" after officers Peter Taoy and John Haire, as well as supervisor Charles H. Jackson were all convicted in 2005 in the U.S. District Court for the District of Northern California of fabricating incident reports to cover-up their mistreatment of a motorist. They are serving 12-18 month prison terms. Current FPS Administrator Wendell Shingler has refused to take any corrective action against similar incidents by Federal Protective Service officer Louis Mount in Maryland."
"The belligerence and harassment the Federal Protective Service is known for within this job description is second to none other. The FPS is also thought of poorly among the law enforcement community for harassing other local law enforcement officers who enter federal facilities on official business. Local law enforcement officers are asked to leave their loaded weapons in their patrol cars before entering government buildings secured by FPS. FPS has been asked to cooperate with other agencies and stop causing trouble but has thus far in various regions been non compliant."
Would these passages appear in the Encyclopedia Brittanica?  Of course not.  They do not belong here, either.  Statements of opinion, whether or not you have media references, are not acceptable.  This is getting ridiculous.  Please refer to the Wikipedia editing policies if you can't understand this.  "Anyone is welcome to add information, cross-references or citations, as long as they do so within Wikipedia's editing policies and to an appropriate standard."
FPS police are not "federal law enforcement" in that they are in the low paying GS 5-7 range (trainee special agent range) and are not a part of the  "6c "law enforcement" retirement program the last time I checked.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.135.76.206 (talk) 19:39, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: This is not the place to grind your ax

message: Since when is Federal always capitalized? Unless this is part of the title of something, I don't see it as necessary.
*it's official title is "the Office of the Federal Protective Service".--Tombombadil 17:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur.  The only people who capitalize the word in those contexts are federal employees writing official documents in their capacity as employees.  But in non-government documents where it is not part of an agency name, "federal" is usually spelled in lowercase.  It's like how the U.S. federal government consistently refers to itself in its own documents as the "U.S. Government" and calls its soldiers "Soldiers."  Basically, context is important.  --Coolcaesar 19:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: capitalization of Federal?

message: This part of its job has nothing to do with immigration, customs or borders, so why is the ICE (instead of, say, the FBI, the US Marshals, or a specific agency) in charge of protecting federal buildings? Apokrif 21:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is the FPS part of the ICE?

message: What's wrong with this? Mallerd (talk) 18:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image:FPS officer in assault gear with shotgun.jpg

message: This line: "Former FPS Administrator Wendell Shingler has allegedly refused to take any corrective action against similar incidents by FPS Police officer Louis Mount in Maryland." makes the assumption that corrective action should be taken. Shingler sued the FPS officers in question, and the angency as well.  A district federal court tossed all the claims.
https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2006cv0118-15
Libertylogic (talk) 04:42, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Is anyone opposed to deleting the last line under criticisms?

message: The entire history section is entirely unsourced  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.79.168.212 (talk) 13:27, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: I just took this out of the header.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be there, but it needs cites and careful re-write to make it more encyclopedic. I would do this but I don't have the patience.
<Snip>
 A growing number of Americans believe that 
this "police force" is unconstitutional and fashioned after the KGB and the SS. The President has publicly stated he wanted a National Security Force equal in numbers to the Armed Forces.
Here is part of what President Obama said on July 2, in Colorado Springs, CO.
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded..."  Some will argue that President Obama was speaking of the Peace Corps. But look at the facts, in the last year Homeland Security has purchased 1.5 Billion rounds of Ammo. Numerous sightings of white SUV with bold lettering of "Police" across the side and in much smaller font "Division of Homeland Security"(see pics below). Any web search of the president's speech will verify the accuracy of his words. The interpretation
is left to you. BTW the current Russian national security police force known under the Soviet
Union as the KGB is now referred to as the FSB. Recently there has been high level discussions to rename these forces; Special Police Enforcement Regional Organization or SPERO for short.
<Unsnip>
"Growing number of Americans" is weasel words, also the scare quotes around police force. The whole paragraph feels POV and a bit paranoid. 
The KGB and SS are pretty inflammatory examples, there are national police forces in other countries which do not serve as political police for a one party state... 
Also the modern FSB was formed out of the Ninth Directorate of the KGB, which was responsible for bodyguarding politicians, guarding buildings and so on (including Nuclear sites) - the KGB was a big organisation, not all of which was about spies.
Grible (talk) 18:53, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detractors? 

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message: This article says that "the FPS was moved to the Department's Management Directorate." However, CISA's article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersecurity_and_Infrastructure_Security_Agency) says that FPS is a "CISA subcomponent." So, what is its parent organization? Does it fall under Management or under CISA?
74.71.66.176 (talk) 19:09, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parent organization? 

message: I would like clarification on why my edit was reverted. I believe that this organization Federal Protective Service (United States) meets the criteria for it's inclusion within :Category:Paramilitary organizations based in the United States.
The Federal Protective Service is not considered an armed force of the United States, per U.S. Code 101a(4), a cite included within the article United States Armed Forces.
Organizations which are armed, but which are not armed forces, are defined as paramilitary, which makes no distinction between private and public forces other than those belonging to an armed force.
Other U.S. government organizations are listed as paramilitary organizations, including Special Activities Center, Hostage Rescue Team, and FBI Special Weapons and Tactics Teams. I fail to see why FPS does not merit the same inclusion.
Mark Renier (talk) 08:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed inclusion of FPS as a paramilitary organization 

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