Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 10

message: I just attempted twice to request page protection using Twinkle's RPP tab, and neither succeeded. I have added the listing manually, and now, as a last effort before bed, am asking here if anyone else is having problems. I bypassed my cache to no avail. Settings for the request were semi-protection -> vandalism with a comment. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 05:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I too have had a couple problems with RPP, coincidentally, the problems I've had with it have all been around 05:00 UTC also.  It seems like Twinkle has some problems with RFPP that late at night (at least it is late at night where I'm from). - Rjd0060 17:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Someone had changed the layout on the RPP page, have reverted it. →AzaToth 17:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RPP failing 

message: CSDG6 (histmerge) should request the page it's being merged with. See  (possibly deleted contrib by now). The Evil Spartan 00:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CSD G6 

message: is it okay if i just post a love letter to Twinkle here? i don't want to get into trouble. however, i love twinkle. it's reduced by an order of magnitude the effort needed to deal with asshats, and increased by an order of magnitude my enjoyment of editing on WP. it's the next best thing to sliced bread. and it doesn't leave crumbs! Anastrophe 18:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True that.  With all the various enhancements to TW, it's a very worthwhile tool.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  bouquet 

message: I would suggest that the automated message when a page-you-wrote-is-up-for-deletion is (1) severely pruned, and/or (2) gets an opt-out list, and/or (3) NOT get sent when said first edit was actually a page move. See, I kind of don't appreciate getting a lengthy message that explains that yes, we have this nifty process called "articles for deletion" which is used for the, guess what, deletion of articles, and you can go there but not raise a sockfarm, oh and did you know you can sign your talk page posts with four tildes? WP:TEMPLAR, and all that. >Radiant< 00:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Twinkle is just a tool - if there's any fault, it lies with the user. I don't think this is a big enough problem to create a new feature. If you don't like the warning, then remove it and forget it ever happened. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 00:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

text: *It's not worth a new feature, but I was searching for the text that is put there, so that this can be pruned and/or reworded - and I was pointed here. Is it some kind of MediaWiki page? >Radiant< 17:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It's Template:AFDWarning dude. →AzaToth 17:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Message 

message: I keep getting errors saying that it can't find the "target page". This happens with AfD and TfD. Any idea what's up? Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed to find target 

message: My last two AfDs both failed to add to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2007 December 5, and I just did them by hand. The error was that it failed to find the target page. Thanks. Lawrence Cohen 19:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a bug, someone fnucked with the AFD page. →AzaToth 19:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not listed AfDs on today's log? 

message: When I deleted a page, Twinkle apparently deleted not only the link to it on another page, but also the references section and the categories, among other things (diff). нмŵוτнτ 18:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't prople stop repating thing bug again, and again, yes, I know, but I don't know why. →AzaToth 18:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologize. I had no idea that it was ever previously brought up. Thanks for your reply. нмŵוτнτ 18:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry. I just had had an other bug report of this yesterday. All I can say is that this bug confuses me highly, as it's highly irregular (one doing 10000 twinkle edits experience the bug zero times, and one having made 10 edits experience it 2 times) and that it's non-repeatable (The bug will not show itself twice on a similar edit, like undo and revert again). For myself, I have never experienced this bug, so how should I be able to debug it? The only thing I have been able to identify, is three possible locations of the bug, 1: The transmission from the API, 2: twinkle itself, and 3: a bug in the JS engine. I think it's probably the lest alternative, a bug in the JS engine, i.e. memory exhaustion etc... Though, the only way to know is to gather useful data, for me it gives not much to see a broken diff (yea, it's broken, but why?), I need to know exactly what was said between the client and the server, the exact browser and the OS used. →AzaToth 18:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bug: removing links on page deletion 

message: I don't use Twinkle, but on more than one occasion I have had to clean up the mess it leaves behind.  The most recent example  is the following:
*We should have an article for the notable Lance Larson, who is a former world record holder and Olympic medalist in swimming.  It had been a redlink on many Olympic and swimming articles.
*An article was created for a different Lance Larson, but no effort was made to create a disambiguation page etc., so the links to Lance Larson from World record progression 100 metres butterfly (for example), now resolve to this different person.
*The second Lance Larson turns out to be non-notable, so his article is speedily deleted.
*An editor using Twinkle then removes all the backlinks to Lance Larson instead of leaving redlinks (as before) for the swimmer.
As I mentioned, I don't use Twinkle, so I don't know if this last operation is fully automatic, or if it requires manual approval (like the "Save" or "Ignore" buttons in WP:AWB), so I don't know whether to talk to individual editors or ask for a feature enhancement.  This is not the first time this scenario has happened for me either, so it's not a one-time complaint I have.  Thanks, Andrwsc (talk) 16:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an automatic feature which is enabled by default. When you delete a page you can select not to orphan backlinks. I've had exactly the same problem . Hut 8.5 17:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "OrphanBacklinks" option occasionally causes a mess 

message: The following is taken from User talk:AzaToth/twinklefluff.js. GracenotesT § 17:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I beg to differ on the third point. From what I know of English grammar, capitalizing the 'V' is perfectly fine, and is actually correct. The other two points I totally agree with. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 03:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  As far as the first point goes, you could always change Twinkle's summary ad parameter in the configuration.  I changed mine to "(using Twinkle)", which makes a bit more sense, at least to me.  Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 04:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording 

message: I nominated for deletion today, it was fine, but it seems like it did not place a tag on the nominated page.  Anyone had this? Thanks, Brusegadi (talk) 11:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD tag 

message: When it says "will not work on IE", does it mean completely? As in nothing of it works? Or is it just partially?--Sunny910910 (talk|Contributions) 02:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't vouch for IE7, but no tabs show up on articles at all in IE6. I would lean toward the "nothing of it works" meaning. Is it that you don't have access to Firefox? Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 04:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not that I don't have access to Firefox, I just prefer to use IE. Thanks for the reply though. I'll try using it with IE7, hopefully something will work.--Sunny910910 (talk|Contributions) 01:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just tested TW on IE7, it shows the tabs but nothing happens when they are pressed.--Sunny910910 (talk|Contributions) 01:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wasn't expecting it to, really. IE's JavaScript engine just works so much differently from Firefox's (and other Mozilla browsers) that it's just not practical to support it. AzaToth has already said he has no intention of making TW IE-compatible. Sorry! Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 04:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i use maxthon for 99.999% of my web browsing (no other browser will handle having 100 tabs open at the same time quite as smoothly) - but i keep firefox open ONLY in order to use twinkle on WP. its' worth the trouble to me to have a second browser open just for that. twinkle rocks, steadfastly, and gloriously. Anastrophe (talk) 05:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usuage on IE 

message: Why is it that when i always change my userpage and talk page, and when i add scripts to the mono book, Twinkle identify the changes on my contributions as Vandalism, this is getting annoying, i haven't vandalized anything on wikipedia why then is it saying that i did. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 08:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, Twinkle hasn't identified anything you've done as vandalism.  It doesn't work that way.  It isn't automatic or anything.  If you mean the vandalism link that appears in the history, that is a short cut to Rollback as Vandalism.  Just like with the diff page, it only shows up if the edit can be rollbacked.  It isn't saying "this is vandalism" but asking if you want to tag is as vandalism.  Collectonian (talk) 08:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So dose that mean I'm clean then, it's only the history which has the vandalism on it, next to rollback. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 18:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, you're fine.  :)  Its just a nice convenient link to have, especially if you're dealing with the history of a repeat vandal.  Can just go through and hit that link without having to load every page :D  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Collectonian (talk • contribs) 18:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's good to hear, i've actually been worrying about it today but I'm relaxed now since i've been told that I'm alright, now i can monitor the pages closely for any responses to my messages to my former account SKYNET X5000 and SKYNET X3000. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 18:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with Twinkle 

message: How do you perform a bypass in AOL? --Gp75motorsports (talk) 21:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by a bypass? ffm 23:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AOL 9.0 VR 

message: When I tag an image for WP:PUI using Twinkle, the note it leaves on the uploader's talk page is not being signed. --B (talk) 05:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. →AzaToth 14:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PUI tagging 

message: When did Twinkle stop editing articles to leave a note that an image is up for deletion? I did a couple of image CSDs today for speedy and just noticed that it doesn't do that? Didn't it used to? Lawrence Cohen 14:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found what my confusion was, nevermind. Lawrence Cohen 14:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CSD images, article notifications 

message: do I understand correctly that TW has a button for reporting usernames? I have proposed a new template here, if it is accepted please change this function to use the new template. —Random832 20:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UAA reporting 

message: Is it possible to check to see if a user talk page is fully protected or SALTed before issuing an image deletion warning and not issue the warning in those cases? --B (talk) 20:29, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  User warnings for protected pages 

message: Hi. I've been dealing with this for over a week at least. When I try to revert a page, Twinkle hangs up at midpoint with a note that "Reverting page: couldn't grab element "editform", aborting, this could indicate failed respons from the server". When I try to use Twinkle to place a note on a talk page, it hangs up and never completes the task. I thought it might be a compatibility issue with User:^demon's CSD notice templates, currently hosted by User:AuburnPilot, but even when I've uninstalled it, Twinkle still has the same issue. The only way I can revert a page is to uninstall Twinkle. Any chance anybody can help me out with this? :) I don't want to uninstall Twinkle. I like. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Possible you are using windows and Zonealarm or Northon Internet Security. →AzaToth 13:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Windows & ZoneAlarm. Oh, I see on the front that ZoneAlarm can break the script. Sorry for not noticing that. :( It worked fine for me for quite some time, so it didn't occur to me that there might be an issue with a pre-existing program on my computer. Bummer. Is this something fixable at some point, or am I doomed? (Warning: I am technologically clueless. Please answer in small words. :D) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I had the same problem and in the end I think I ended up using another computer :S Tiddly-Tom 12:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The section entitled Not Working below this discussion a similar problem. See their remedy works for you. Tiddly-Tom 12:35, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twinkle oddity 

message: So when you use Twinkle to tag an article for deletion, and you choose A7: Unremarkable people, groups, companies and web content, it tags the article with . However, Db-bio specicially says It is an article about a real person that does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject. (CSD A7). Db-bio tag doesn't mention anything about groups, companies and web content. The tags for those are , , and . So, the coding of Twinkle should be changed to reflect this. It's caused me a big headache today on an article I tagged with TW. -- ALLSTARecho 11:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur ... this thread on the Template:Db-bio talk page echoes the problem, and it may cause an edit war on the template unless resolved here ... as I see it, changing which template is used as the "generic default" should be a trivial modification, as easy as modifying  to recognize a new notability guideline, such as Films, if someone should create a  ... Happy Editing! — 18:03, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind! Db-bio has a Legacy History as the "generic" template, and it is currently used by Db-band, Db-inc, and Db-web ... it defaults to "real person" and WP:BIO (user error?) ... see the thread on the Db-bio talk page about how to make a Truly Generic Db-A7 template. :-) —72.75.72.63 (talk) 23:00, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Db-bio? 

message: When I report articles to TfD using Twinkle, it always says 'Could not find current discussion to add template to.' or something along those lines. I was wondering why this happens as other XfD routines work. I am using Vista and Firefox 3 Beta 2. ><RichardΩ612 20:31, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll bet 1,000,000 edits this is being caused by a change in the TfD page layout. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 20:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I'm sure it is, but does anyone know what is causing it. I looked in the javascript code to find what it looks for at TfD, but I couldn't see anything amiss on the TfD page. ><RichardΩ612 10:07, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to be working now, never mind. ><RichardΩ612 20:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD 

message: When I nominate an article for deletion, I get this:
:Tagging article with deletion tag: data loaded...
:Creating article deletion discussion page: data loaded...
:Adding discussion to todays list: failed to find target spot to add the discussion to.
:Notifying of initial contributor (Aboutabout): data loaded...
The result is that it creates the discussion and notifies the creator, but it doesn't add anything to the list of articles at AfD.  Using Opera 9.23 for what it's worth.  Does anyone know how I can fix this?  Lankiveil (talk) 06:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See the discussion above about TfD, it may apply here as well. ><RichardΩ612 10:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this, and how do I fix it? 

message: I don't know much about this tool but noticed that whilst using Twinkle someone had started a new AfD page over an previous discussion ( - this has since been fixed), is this a problem with the tool or just a mistake on the part of the user? Regards, [[Guest9999 (talk) 05:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD question