Talk:Chicano

message: :I don't think the Mexican-American page should redirect automatically to the Chicano page - the two terms are not entirely synonymous. Perhaps a separate page should be made for Mexican-American, as in the case of Hispanic American and Latino. Just my two cents.
:- AvestanHamster 23:02, 6 September 2004
:: Two pages dedicated to the same subject isn't an error, but what made Mexican-Americans more recognized is the self-title "Chicano" in full swing during the civil rights era. The current massive wave of Mexican immigrants and other Latin Americans into the U.S. can change not just Anglo culture, but introduce newer elements to a culture evolved abit separately in the last 50,100 or 150 years as "Mexican American". The ability for an ethnic group whose origins is across a line, fence or border across the desert, has been an oddity in the international study of racial and ethnic groups, a people remain as Mexican they could while they became American. --Mike D 26 09:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirects

message: *Just to clarify that the only reason i changed it back was because i asked another member about it and they told me it's with an 'm'....ChicanoJ 23:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked out the Gamio text. On page 129, in a discussion of the attitudes of American citizens of Mexican descent toward recent immigrants, he states, "They call these recent immigrants cholos or chicamos". Later in the same volume (page 233), in an appendix concerning linguistics, he states that the word "chicamos" is "probably derived from "mexicanos". Professor Cuellar's use of "(sic)" is more likely to be an indication that he is not misquoting Gamio in "misspelling" "chicamo" than an indication that he is acknowledging an error in Gamio's work. Gamio is pretty clear that it is "chicamo" with an "m". Since his 1927 study is the first documentation of the term, we should include his discussion of the term as he documented it. Later changes to the term can be discussed subsequently.--Rockero 21:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chicamo

message: === Chicano/as ===
I got this note:
:I noticed that you changed "Chicano/as" in the same article to simply "Chicano". The "slash-as" was intentional.  It indicates that the term refers to both males and females.  It wouldn't be necessary in English, since our nouns do not indicate gender, but in Spanish, the suffix "-o" denotes a masculine.  So in order that readers, especially those conversant in Spanish, will know that the discussion of both genders, the suffix "-as" was also included.  I agree that the grammar and wording was a bit sloppy, so I'll try to clean it up, but I'm going to add the suffix back in.  The article needs some major work anyways, so if you'd like to collaborate, I'd be glad to work with you.  Please feel free to make your thoughts about changes to the article known on the article's talk page.--Rockero 23:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been contributing to this page for a while now. I just wanted to state that I don't like the term chicano/a, chicano/a, chican@, or any of the other variations. I have been editing them out of the page for several months now. Does anyone have a serious problem with that? evrik 19:18, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose we are just trying to make up for deficiencies in the Spanish language, which uses the masculine gender as a sort of "default", while a big part of being a Chicano or Chicana is awareness and consciousness about these issues.  It is pretty much convention in Chicano studies departments in universities.  Indeed, some even consider Chicana studies a separate discipline.  I don't think the usage is particularly grammatical, so I'd be willing to compromise on the issue, as long as our sisters are included.--Rockero 01:24, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar

message: I got this note:
:I noticed that you changed "Chicano/as" in the same article to simply "Chicano". The "slash-as" was intentional.  It indicates that the term refers to both males and females.  It wouldn't be necessary in English, since our nouns do not indicate gender, but in Spanish, the suffix "-o" denotes a masculine.  So in order that readers, especially those conversant in Spanish, will know that the discussion of both genders, the suffix "-as" was also included.  I agree that the grammar and wording was a bit sloppy, so I'll try to clean it up, but I'm going to add the suffix back in.  The article needs some major work anyways, so if you'd like to collaborate, I'd be glad to work with you.  Please feel free to make your thoughts about changes to the article known on the article's talk page.--Rockero 23:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been contributing to this page for a while now. I just wanted to state that I don't like the term chicano/a, chicano/a, chican@, or any of the other variations. I have been editing them out of the page for several months now. Does anyone have a serious problem with that? evrik 19:18, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose we are just trying to make up for deficiencies in the Spanish language, which uses the masculine gender as a sort of "default", while a big part of being a Chicano or Chicana is awareness and consciousness about these issues.  It is pretty much convention in Chicano studies departments in universities.  Indeed, some even consider Chicana studies a separate discipline.  I don't think the usage is particularly grammatical, so I'd be willing to compromise on the issue, as long as our sisters are included.--Rockero 01:24, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicano/as 

message: I removed this sentence for bad grammar, lack of clarity, and absence of a reference: "Another theory is it came into use by American Mexicans that where a product of rioting and the raping of Mexican women in California by Anglo sailors from the navy and army in the 1960's riots and return to give the new born (American Mexican's) Identity they called them self's "chicano/chicana"." Tom Parks (talk) 16:10, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems fair for the deletion.  I was the one who added the parenthetical sentence about how "mexica/mechica" means "barbarians."  I've always considered the Mexican obsession with the Aztecs to be somewhat curious, considering what bloodthirsty assholes the Aztecs themselves were; the Spanish conquest was facilitated in large part by resentment against the folks in Tenochtitlan.--Slightlyslack 03:52, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

text: I hope you are not implying Chicano is a race. Deepstratagem 03:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits

message: I have deleted
:But unfortunately chicanos are classified and stereotype as "gangsters" and the style differs from the average "Mexican" from Mexico. The mexicans from Mexico are normally categorized as "Border brothers" with their cowboyish dress attire and unique style of music where as the chicano dress attire and style are "Lowriders" and gang affliation vato locos form the surenos or nortenos. 
This is, in a word, tontería. Yes, there's a kernel of an idea here, as well as some accurate observations, but in its present form it says nothing — certainly nothing I would want to build an article on. The article as a whole needs to be cleaned up to meet wiki standards.
-24.126.41.116  19:58, 4 March 2005
:"'Border brothers'" with their cowboyish dress attire'? Yes, in the north of Mexico, some people dress in cowboyish attire... But that's only in a handful of states. I agree with the above comment, and will delete the reverted "vandalism", too. --Deepstratagem 06:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vatos and lowriders

message: I am adding Sandra Cisneros to the list of notable Chicanas.
-Drogue  00:59, 10 August 2005
What about zach de la rocha (formaly from rage against the machine)
::Would anyone mind horribly if I moved the "Notable Chicanos" section to the List of notable Chicanos, leaving just a link in the "See also"? This has been bothering me for a while....--Rockero 08:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--Rockero 15:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Citation needed to confirm Paula Abdul was of Mexican American descent, but never called herself "chicano/a". If not, this shall be removed. I'm not sure how many famous Mexican Americans are out there, Chicano/Latino or otherwise simply as American. The media mistakenly lumped Puerto Ricans, Mexican Americans and Cuban Americans as one singular ethnicity or said who's a "Puerto Rican" is actually Colombian, while a "Mexican" is instead a Cuban American. Whoever thought Paula Abdul was "Mexican" is a mistake or an error, not to stereotype her in anyway. Some people think Gloria Estefan was Puerto Rican or Christina Aguilera was Dominician, but any fan with a knowledge of their lives knows better: Estefan is Cuban, Aguilera's father is from Ecuador. It's a problem of identity within what's called the Latino population, but to be Hispanic, Chicano or Latino does not inscribe to one single people or culture, there's a variety of them and let's not assume he/she is Mexican, Chicano, etc. without any reliable research. --Mike D 26 09:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Chicanos

message: I believe we should look into other sources available in the Wikipedia realm but also Primary sources that can be found within textbooks of archeology, history, and the sort.  I also believe we must constantly be citing those sources on each of the entries, not only because Wikipedia asks for it but because its essential for the development of the knowledge base that can be derived from each of various entries found throughout the Wikipedia realm.
A good example is the following wiki page for Aztecs.
Check out their Discussion board.  Very detail and precise.  
thanks and keep on editing,
Marcelino 22:46, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: The article says the name dates from the early 19th century. This seems improbable to me. Does anyone have documentation of this? It probably was from the early 20th century, i.e. the early 1900's.
--Lavintzin 03:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are right. After the treaties of Guadlupe Hidalgo in 1848 there were about 75,000 mexicans left in the territory but they were not refered as chicanos. The oldest reference to the word, that i have find comes from 1920 acording to a study by Tino Villanueva. (Tino Villanueva, Chicanos (selección), Lecturas Mexicanas, número 889, FCE/SEP, México, 1985,   p. 7.) . The problem is that the word has now a full ideologic load that bring a lot of new meaning to the word. Nanahuatzin 06:53, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree.  I think the date was incorrectly stated and was really intended to be early 1900s or 20th century.  I think the writer confused the proper usage of time.  Marcelino 17:33, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date 

message: The word Chicano may have been by used by Anglo-Americans to describe poor farm-workers who crossed the Southern U.S. border in look for work, but that doesn't mean that all Mexican Americans fit that description. Additionally, the word is used almost exclusively by Chicanos as an expression of identity. It separates them from Anglo-Americans and it separates them from traditional Mexican nationals. It has been said that Chicanos exist in the space occupied by the hyphen in Mexican-American.
Additionally, the term Mexican-American is redundant, as most people from the Americas consider themselves geographically American (of the American continent; see Use_of_the_word_American). So there's already a problem with that term.
Finally, Chicanos are either political activists (rights for Mexican-American farm workers, illegal immigrants) or they simply do not identify with Mexicans, Mexican-Americans or even Americans (except in the geographical sense of "the Americas").
Therefore, Chicanos != Mexican-Americans. This is why I reverted J. R. Hercules' edits. If you can point out something I missed, I'll be glad to concede appropriate changes, otherwise, I feel you are doing a disservice to everyone by attaching the wrong meaning to already somewhat misunderstood terms. --Deepstratagem 08:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Synonymous: Mexican-American and Chicano. 

message: Some stripped that out of the page. I think it should stay, though not be used too much.evrik 15:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chicano/a or Chican@

message: Please do not use dictionaries or other sources such as these to define Chicano. Unfortunately, the Chicano identity is rather fluid, and any generalizations only serve to misguide users of Wikipedia.  --Bfraga 08:30, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Chicano is not a term for the Dictionary

message: From my understanding, it is an insult to the Chicano community to use the term Mexican-American, with a hyphen.
This is my understand of why it is insulting:
Native American is used to describe the Native peoples living in the US pre-colonialization. Euro-Americans, during WWII (?), were seen as not liking Hyphenated Americans such as Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans, ect. A Chicana/o is more closely linked to the Native American than to the Euro-American because of the conquest that occured in the late 1800's.
I have changed the terms accordingly.
Sgarza 17:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Other Mexican-Americans discorn the term "Chicano" as a low-class and  insult term meant to divide people apart. Hyphenation is somewhat popular and more "P.C." to indicate one is an American in meaning. You can try in reversing the hyphen into American Mexican if you want, but there's no real emotional damage to call someone when appropriate a hyphenated-American nickname. African-American has been popularized, so has Japanese-American, German-American, Polish-American and Arab-American for the media and political activists avoid the words "Black", "Pole", "Japanese" or "Arab". It's important to indicate they are Americans, either by birth or choice, and not get carried away in the hyphenation. Why not go back to a time when ethnic, racial and national groups are called epithets, slurs or names? Never...but to say "Spanish" and "Mexican" seems archaic or condescending to some people, while "Hispanic" lost acceptance to some who preferably are "Latino". As long the hyphenated terms or the popular terms lose any acceptance or held as offensive, it will be hard to say only "American" when we're talking about ... Mexicans, Latinos or Hispanics, right now.  --Mike D 26 09:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Hyphenated 

message: Unfortunately many Chicanos are classified and stereotyped as "troublemakers" and their style differs from the average "Mexicano". The Mexicans from Mexico are normally categorized as "Border brothers" with their cowboyish dress attire and unique style of music where as the Chicano dress attire and style are "Lowriders" and gang affiliation vatos locos from the Sureños or Norteños. Chicanos are also often known to feud with the "Border brothers", especially those who boast their nationality. They may also refer to themselves as Americanos to identify with their country of origin and to differentiate from Mexicans.
A variation of this has been cleaned up or removed twice. It is very badly written, and Americano refers to Mexicans as well as anyone else in the continent. The whole concept of "style" as written here makes no sense and the whole thing is ambiguous. What is a Sureño and what is a Norteño? Is this localized to California or in reference to the U.S. or is it plain slang. If it is slang, can someone at least clarify? And who is doing the categorizing? U.S. Citizens? Mexican Citizens? sub-cultural divisions of Chicanos?
If this can be clarified then the section can be rewritten to express those cultural views, but otherwise maybe it should be removed. Deepstratagem 04:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this? 

message: :Please help with the   Latino template.  --JuanMuslim  1m 18:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latino template 

message: Under Etymology is it supposed to be chicano and not chicamo?--ChicanoJ 12:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Gamio says it is "chicamo", with an "m".--Rockero 17:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicamo 

message: A design clothing brand brown pride comes in T-shirts, jeans, caps and jackets are popular with "Chicanos" and young Mexican Americans. They carry artistic images of Aztec temples, Aztec calendars and Aztec warriors. To suggest "brown pride" has more to do with the skin color, history and racial origins of the majority of Mexicans, despite the Wikipedia article said Mexican Americans call themselves "white". Not according to what the clothing designers felt on their ethnic group are descendants of the Aztecs, while the symbolic presence of Spanish heritage was omitted. Has the Chicano/La Raza activists rejected anything pertaining to Spanish/Latin American culture? I've seen some Mexican teens wear those shirts to advertise racial pride as Aztec/Native American, but this is half of what made the Mexican people. --Mike D 26 06:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Mexican Americans call themselves white" bit is a recent addition to the Mexican American article that I haven't yet had time to correct, and is (or should be) a reference to the early civil rights struggles against segregation. It should not be taken as gospel truth.--Rockero 17:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brown Pride 

message: A long time ago we had an image ...
We need more images on this article. --evrik 14:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: who the f chose that image and what does it have to do with chicano. i thought chicano was a cultural identity was political connotations, that guy is just bumming it and he looks stoned or something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Danedouard00 (talk • contribs) 08:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: Please help with the page on Illegal Immigration in the United States. Gracias. Morlesg 09:41, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help 

message: This article is barely a B in my opinion. if people want to upgrade it to an A they need to get rid of all these statements that are somewhat/very unspecific. if someone is pointing to a source that has those kinds of statements then it is not a very good source...
For example: "Many Chicanos interchangeably use the term la raza (literally, the race) to define themselves". does many equal more than 51%? Who the heck quantified that? The only person I heard say that was the wrestler Eddie Guerrero and I don't know that he considered himself a Chicano and guess what, he's dead. I would seriously have to look hard to find someone living who uses that phrase. I'm sure editor's grandmother and neighbor use that but that shouldn't be the basis for adding this statement to this artile.
Another example: "Due to the gendered nature of Spanish language, some activists and writers who do not find the masculine term Chicano acceptable to use".
Did Harris Interactive do a poll on this and did someone forget to copy the percentage? or did some editor personally does not find the masculine term acceptable and add a statement to the article to reflect that?
Huh?: "Many individuals of Mexican descent view the use of the words Chicano or Chicana as reclamation and regeneration of an indigenous culture destroyed through colonialism, although these are only opinions and may not reflect the view of all Chicanos"
On this one I'm not sure why "although... Chicanos" is there. Also was there a poll and was there a double digit percentage of responders that felt chicano was a "reclamation and regeneration of indigenous culture"?? probably not... if one author said this then replace "many individuals of mexican descent" with "author x".
Here's one that I had to re-write because of bad grammer... I supsect this was the claim: "Some music historians argue that Chicanos of Los Angeles in the late 1970's might have independently co-founded punk rock along with the already-acknowledged founders from British-European.[citation needed]"
Probably hearsay.
I suspect that a lot of these statements are a form hearsay or editors original thoughts and those shouldn't be going into this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Danedouard00 (talk • contribs) 09:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: use of non-specific quantifiers/identifiers: "some," "many," "others," etc.

message: i moved the "demographics of the united states" table to the bottom but i'm not sure it belongs in this article because chicano is not universally accepted as a race or ethnicity. i'm gonna get rid of it unless someone has a good reason to keep it here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Danedouard00 (talk • contribs) 03:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics

message: Folks, I would like to offer this image as a potential replacement for the current photo of QuetzalCoatlicue dancers: 75px. However, I would appreciate feedback. The suggested replacement of a single dancer strikes me as a more powerful image than the current group of dancers, albeit perhaps less encyclopedic in terms of broad coverage of the subject. Fishdecoy 18:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Feedback Requested: Photo replacement

message: See discussion at Talk:List of notable Chicanos. Pairadox 19:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[List of notable Chicanos]] into [[List of Mexican Americans]] 

message: Hello, 
I noticed in Wikipedia's Chicano page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicano where "External links" are listed is a website "Network Aztlan." Network Aztlan's mission is to sell artwork. ChicanoForums.com doesn't sell anything.
Network Aztlan is listed twice. 
I truly believe Chicano Forums has a right to be listed there as well. We, Chicanoforums.com, are the main Chicano activist website on the internet. We also have a Essay Contest for high school and college students and we do not require citizenship to win the $150.00 prize. We have TWO winners for a total of $300.00. Please view:
Essay Contest This money comes from members' donations and mostly from my own contributions.
Our subscriber list trumps Network Aztlan by at least twice as many subscribers, possibly three times as many. I know this because I was a member of their group for a very short period of time.
ChicanoForums.com works very closely with ANSWERLA, LA.Indymedia and the National Alliance for Human Rights. No other Chicano website on the internet compares to our activism.
Chicanoforums.com is much more than just discussion forums. We are a activist community.
As a result, I believe ChicanoForums.com should be listed as an External link in Wikipedia's Chicano page.
Kind Regards,
Daniel Maldonado
Webmaster
ChicanoForums.com
Virtualchicano (talk) 08:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to be Added to External Links 

message: Is there a way that the language of the article can clarify that we're not talking about Mexicans who immigrate to America, but about Americans born of Mexican ancestry? I've read the disagreements above about the difference between Chicano and Mexican American, and I agree that they aren't the same, but reading the article, I still feel that it implies that any Mexican in America is Chicano, when it should be stressing that Chicanos are U.S. natives? (Or am I mistaken about this?) Aristophanes68 (talk) 05:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  how to distinguish? 

message: I have noticed that the Civil Rights portion of this page leaves much to be desired in the realm of specifically identifying major organizations and movements that sprouted during the late 60's early 70's such as the Brown Berets, the Chicano Air Force, and other relevant Brown Pride movements; many of which still exist in some form or another.  I also noted that the literary portion of the text limits itself to only a few writers, in fact Chicano is a widely used term amongst many writers both past and present. What about Ricardo Sanchez and his famed pinta poems 'Canto de mi liberacion?' For instance Rudolfo Anaya is a great writer from Santa Rosa, New Mexico in fact his novel, 'Bless Me Ultima,' takes place in that landscape; however the true dean of Chicano poetry would be Sabine Ulibarri, now deceased his textual works in poetic prose fashion led to a milleau of current chicano writers, in fact more importantly Mr. Ulibarri wrote from a rural chicano perspective rather than an urban one.  There is also the famed poet from the south valley of Albuquerque, Jimmy Santiago Baca whose epic work 'Martin and Meditations on the South Valley' won critical acclaim, however he is most notable as the screenwriter and one of the actors in the Chicano based film, 'Bound by Honor: Blood In/Blood Out.' I have added a section titled Alternative Stories, as a chicano born and raised with that identity it was amazing to read this article which for me fell short.  Also I am distressed at all this posturing in attempts to accurately define Chicano, the debate of whether its an insult or identity is ridiculous, I have never heard of such thing, even in consulting with all the elders I know, they have known chicano as a term to have been used and passed down since the early 1800's in southern Colorado and New Mexico.  Of course most of these families never kept 'archives' or attempted to preserve documents that would definitively mark when the term was coined per se; however these many and variable Chicano families and communities have a rich cultural, social and vibrant oral history that is passed down, though they may not quantified by any relevant, codified fact, they however are real to the Chicanos that hold those histories dear, even if they are inaccurate, for that is the essence of Chicano----in fact this should not be on Wikipedia, we are not artifacts to deconstruct, analyze and then put back together, we are real peoples, with a real history, a real culture, something deeper than any academic could explain unless they themselves were Chicano.  So if you wish to delete my anecdotes then by all means, but if you delete our oral history, then whats next on the chopping block?  If you will not tell our stories, then who will?  What will be left?  I see continuously that its rare for people to use the term Chicano; what emperical data have you collected with direct investigative techniques to come up with such quasi-facts?  What distinct modern census has been performed that would enable anyone to state with certainty that Chicano is a rare and often misused term?  Those are words from people that never really understood Chicano.  This article needs to be factual and verifiable, however when dealing with Chicano there needs to be some caveat for our creative expressions, our rich and varied historical-oral mapping, our landscapes, our unique chicano faith and superstitions.  Thank you for your time---jd (sanmino001@yahoo.com) 06102008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.49.243.2 (talk) 10:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Civil Rights?

message: According to whom? Need a source for this. It's not like the term "wetback" (for immigrants) or worse names. Softlavender (talk) 08:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not as much, but Chicano is a controversial if not archaic, not deragatory term for Mexican people to hold hostile political feelings about the USA, and white Anglos now don't normally use the term in order not to be racially insensitive to Hispanics/Latinos whom not completely identify themselves "Chicano". The term Chicano was also thought to came from Chichen Itza, the Mayan pyramid site in the Yucatan Peninsula and the Maya are another MesoAmerican civilization associated with Mexico, indigenous Mexicans alike Nahuatl or Aztecan speaking peoples had been in crosscultural contact with the Mayan peoples for thousands of years in the southern Mexican states. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 05:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Politically loaded"? 

message: a hispanic who hasn't fully assimilated into American society and culture?
Can you be chicano and speak perfect english with perfect accent?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mizanthrop (talk • contribs) 11:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Chicanos are a byproduct of the "New Left" associated with the 1960s, the cold war era's message, the civil rights era to end discrimination and segregation of minorities, the struggle to end white/European colonialism and for ethnic groups in the USA to find cultural history among themselves. It isn't solely about being "Mexican/Latino/Hispanic" and there are other Latino ethnonational groups such as Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans, Salvadorans, etc. who never really shared the same monolithic cultural outlook with Mexicans nor the Mexican-American experience living in the Western USA, esp. from south Texas to California, and southern Arizona to  the Colorado Springs/Denver area in the early 20th century. The former Mexican territory annexed by the USA after the Mexican-American war has produced a social situation not unique in the world, but the only national conflict between two countries in the Western Hemisphere, but the situation has mixed with the everpresent American "white" vs. "non white" racial differentation. This is what developed the Chicano movement and ethnic consciousness of Mexican-Americans throughout the Southwest US being the "other" from the Anglo-American settlement to followed in the first 100-some out of 160 years (from 1848 to the 1950s). + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 04:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Chicano simply... 

message: : An alternate etymology that predates Raso holds that the conversion of the pronunciation of the "x" in Mexicano was converted to /ʃ/ or /tʃ/ as a term of endearment
Kind of a stupid comment.  In Old Spanish, orthographic <x> was pronounced [ʃ], the way it is in many other Iberian languages today.  This presumably includes the <x> in México.  At some point, a pronunciation change occurred in Castillian that changed [ʃ] to [x].  At that point the spelling was changed to <j>.  This pronunciation change was also brought to the new world, except that many Mexican words retained <x>.  This all appears to be lost on whoever wrote this. 97.113.31.253 (talk) 04:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I submitted the photo. That day in question was called Nostalgia Day, and I too was there. I was a 10th-grade student of Venice at the time and own the 1974 Gondoliers yearbook. Those guys in the photo are all Chicanos.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Folk Spanish etymology 

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message: The introduction section has a segment on the end that states "Another theory is it came into use by American Mexicans that where a product of rioting and the raping of Mexican women in California by Anglo sailors from the navy and army in the 1960's riots and return to give the new born (American Mexican's) Identity they called them self's "chicano/chicana".". I've looked, and there's no other mention of this theory anywhere. Suggested that someone either delete this or find supporting evidence and correct the statement.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.4.190 (talk) 13:47, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicano Rape Origin Theory 

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message: Regarding these recent unsourced edits to the lead,  I've left a message on your user talk page about this. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 05:26, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
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message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Mexicanx. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  signed, Rosguill talk 23:13, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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message: The intro reads that: "Mexican American identity emerged to encourage assimilation into white American society and separate the community from African American political struggle."
This is highly dubious, and at best a very ideologically driven interpretation!
The truth is that all sorts of communities of immigrants and their descendants use such terms:  "Japanese-Americans," "Italian-Americans," "Cuban-Americans," "Irish-Americans," "Chinese-Americans," etc., etc.  Were these labels all created with the intention of separating from African American struggles???....I mean sure, some essay in a cultural studies journal might claim that, but again this is very dubious and ideologically driven.
A more neutral way to describe things is that ethnic communities adopt such labels as a way to strike a balance - between being Americans, and part of the larger American society, on the one hand, and maintaining pride in their cultural identity and heritage, on the other. (in most cases with little thought (one way or the other) about African-Americans) -2003:CA:871E:367B:C9B6:52CB:66D8:FAB8 (talk) 01:24, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree wholeheartedly with the IP. The present wording is beyond dubious—it reads as an ideologically motivated attempt to rob Mexican Americans of agency to define themselves. Carlstak (talk) 02:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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message: I am making the WP:BOLD decision of using solely Chicano. Although I myself am not within this group, I am Latino (Brazilian) and am a native speaker of Portuguese. I know how these languages work and the "masculine" is also used in the neuter case. According to a poll from NALEO, very few people in the United States of Latin American descent use the "x neuter". (This has happened before.) (In regard to the wordy phrase, while the terms Hispanic and Latino have major overlap, it is not 100%. For example, I, as a Brazilian, am Latino but not Hispanic. Yay for semantics!)
Also, inconsistensies! Sometimes it's Chicana/o, sometimes o/a. For plural, there's Chicano/as, a/os, os/as, and as/os. I tried to be consistent and thorough, so if I missed any tell me. Wilh3lmTalk 18:24, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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