Talk:ADX Florence

message: How do "facilities made of poured concrete [to] deter self-harm"?
Padded cells prevent self-harm.
2601:18C:CD7F:6064:F40A:37C:D11:7C5C (talk) 11:52, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction misinformation

message: Many ask why there are non-violent spies/traitors at ADF Florence since almost all others are violent criminals. Here is a good article that describes how Jim Nicholson continued to send intelligence to the Russians by having his kid visit him at the federal prison in Sheridan and take secrets to the Russian embassy in Mexico. I'd recommend that a couple of sentences be added to explain that continued espionage is the concern that drives DoJ to send spies to ADF Florence.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/05/the_spys_kid_part_2_russians_warm_up_to_son_of_spy_hand_him_cash.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.92.133.21 (talk) 02:41, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Spies

message: Why put this Enron CFO in supermax? Asked by himself?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lynxlea (talk • contribs) 14:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Andrew Fastow

message: It says that on Sept. 14th, media was allowed in for the first time. I think this is in reference to the 60 Minutes airing, which did not however get inside of the prison, it only showed a couple videos of the inside. The subtopic, "Reporter's first-ever tour", contradicts the sub-topic "Media", in that one states that media has never been inside, while the other suggests it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.30.95.62 (talk) 14:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Media tours?

message: Someone is Plagiarizing someone here...this page and the "ADX Florence" page on answers.com are identical http://www.answers.com/topic/adx-florence
DevoutHeretic 00:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, answers.com takes its content from Wikipedia (not the other way around).  Under "copyrights", they properly credit Wikipedia and cite the licensing - "This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License." -Aude (talk | contribs) 01:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: No problem.  See Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks for more details. -Aude (talk | contribs) 01:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copied content

message: I removed this text, as it is unsourced and seems rather sketchy:
:Others lend criticism to the fact that ADX Florence was also originally built to house prisoners that have posed a danger to other prisoners and guards. Many inmates may be assigned to USP Marion or ADX Florence directly after trial, or tranferred without justified reason. As a result, many of those incarcerated in Marion and Florence are considered political prisoners. This was acknowledged by former U.S. Representative Robert Kastenmeier.
kmccoy (talk) 03:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed text

message: What do nearby mining and environmental problems have to do with the prison? — Omegatron 18:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Environmental problems? 

message: How can the cells be 60 feet underground and have windows pointed at the sky? Is this information fabricated?
:I don't know when that got in there, but I've removed it. — Rebelguys2 talk 09:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: It would be interesting to have more detailed photos of the compound than the 213x127 (4096 bytes) current image.  66.253.36.140 10:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found some pictures on the design firm's page. I doubt we'll be able to find too many more in public. Jxyama 08:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: I suspect the number of beds may be inaccurate. In the report released by CNN, it says the prison has 490 beds, with approxiamately 430 currently occupying, maybe more. Does anyone have more information on this? -Cs92
:Well, in the prison's own weekly population report, updated 11/9/06, there are currently 468 occupying, although it doesn't say total capacity, probably because prisons, even maximum security prisons, are often able to smush in a lot more inmates than it was originally designed for.
:Anyway: google search for FLORENCE ADX 490 BEDS yields 259 hits.  Google search for FLORENCE ADX 562 BEDS yields 155 hits, most of them seeming to be clones of Wikipedia.  I think the 490 number is more reliable, as it has appeared in a couple Associated Press articles lately about the understaffing at ADX.  Ford MF 05:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bed numbers 

message: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/29/AR2007092900928.html?hpid=moreheadlines
Registration (free) might be required.
LDH 11:31, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sept 2007 WaPo article about ADX Florence 

message: This story may be noteworthy: http://www.coloradoconfidential.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3702 Ormaaj (talk) 11:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Riots 

message: When you write Islamic Terrorists beside the description of some terrorists do you mean they are Islamic? Why aren't they just called terrorists? Or why arent the religious belief's of other terrorists written? Christian Terrorists or Jewish Terrorist? Inagatt (talk) 15:17, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If the prisoner is a terrorist whose motivation is Islam (or any other religion), then it is correct to state that in their brief description. If the person is a terrorist but their religion has nothing to do with their crimes, then it should not be stated in such a short description. If anyone knows of an terrorist at this prison whose crimes were motivated by their Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc, then add that info to the description of that inmate. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 14:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Eric Rudolph is identified as a Christian terrorist. So no fair claiming "unequal treatment", Ignatt. I think the real test is whether the terrorism is motivated, justified or otherwise influenced BY religion or religious culture. No? Don't mention it. Yes? Spell it out. Similarly, "white supremacists" and "black radicals" have their races stated, while most of the other white and black inmates don't. Anyway, just ask those guys, Ignatt. Do you think they WON'T say their acts were in the service of Islam? --76.200.147.218 (talk) 07:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islamic terrorists 

message: If anyone is interested, I have proposed a new Wikiproject concerning prisons here.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 23:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Prisons 

message: This article is an exact word-for-word copy from an article in this link: http://www.meaninglis.com/elite-supermax.htm
	 		 
Please modify this article so it contains more information from several sources and does not steal others ideas.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crd721 (talk • contribs) 
:Wow, you had me going for a minute, but I think this is one of the many sites around the Internet that copy and republish Wikipedia articles they think will interest their readers.  Some are bad guys that don't give Wikipedia a credit in their version of the article.  Here's a paragraph from the site you mention:
::ADX Florence is a federal prison, comprising a 37-acre, 490-bed complex at 5880 Highway 67, Florence, Colorado. It is one of 3 correctional facilities of the Florence Federal Correctional Complex (FFCC), each with a different overall security level.[1]
:Why do I think this site copied from Wikipedia and not the other way around?  Because of the "[1]" footnote number at the end of the paragraph – they forgot to remove it.
:Google shows copies, or fragments, of this article at about 10 other sites.  Some sites properly give Wikipedia credit, like this "All material adapted used from Wikipedia is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. Wikipedia® itself is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc." Other sites such as meaninglis.com do not, perhaps hoping to make their readers think they're very, very smart.   --CliffC (talk) 14:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Word-for-word copy

message: The sentence 'About 22% of inmates have killed fellow prisoners in other correctional facilities; 35% have attempted to attack other prisoners or officers. Which means 43% have not attacked anyone in prison.' seems odd to me. Surely all you can infer from that sentence is that at most 65% have not attacked and 78% have not killed.
Source and citation needed?
82.69.42.11 (talk) 13:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inmates that attack others 

message: The inmate guide for ADX Florence has Arabic text here: http://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/flm/FLM_aohandbook.pdf
It seems to state Arabic names of US Government agencies WhisperToMe (talk) 05:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Text in Arabic

message: "Rooms may also be fitted with polished steel mirrors bolted to the wall, an electric light, a radio, and a television that shows recreational, educational and religious programming.[11] These are considered privileges that may be taken away as punishment, so they are placed and remotely controlled such that the inmate does not actually come into contact with them."
Some of this wording seems unclear, and possibly questionable.  
* "may also be fitted with..."  -- are there actually any cells that do not have a mirror or an electric light?
* "privileges that may be taken away..." -- so the 'electric light' can be taken away?  I doubt it.  Solitary confinement is acceptable constitutionally, but solitary confinement in the dark would probably not be.  (More common is inmate complaints of too much light -- that the lights are never turned off, even at night.)
* "may be taken away..." -- the steel mirror bolted to the wall may be taken away?  I doubt that this has ever been done.  And how exactly do they "remotely control" this steel mirror?
I think the "may be taken away..." phrase correctly applies to the radio & TV, but not the other stuff.  So this is just badly worded.  
Oh, and the cite given doesn't seem to confirm these assertions much.  (But then, it's Fox News -- not what I'd call a reliable source.)  T-bonham (talk) 11:18, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear or questionable assertions. 

message: I reverted a change that would have removed all the former inmates (and added a bunch more). It seems that McVeigh--among others--is notable and interesting. Also, how many entries should be here, really? We don't need to publish a list of inmates (the BOP does that) and it's really possible for the interesting entries to get lost in the list if there are too many. Nevertheless, sweeping changes like this really should be discussed. — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 13:48, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't characterize the change as "sweeping", but regardless I am always willing to discuss edits. I think for the sake of simplicity only current inmates should be included in this article. A separate article (List of prisoners at ADX Florence) already exists for current and former inmates. Also as a note, the BOP does not publish a roster of prisoners—at least as far as I know. The only way to confirm if an inmate is in the facility is to use the BOP's inmate locator, and for that you must either know the inmate's ID number or full name. – Zntrip 06:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Inmates 

message: Shouldn't we amend notorious figures like 2119 or even 2200 to simply - Life Imprisonment?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.153.160.23 (talk) 20:08, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release dates 

message: During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
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thread_title:  Dead link 

message: I just wanted to explain this edit that I to the article. First, the section heading should follow Wikipedia's Manual of Style and be in lower case (except for the first word). The other major revision I made was to the placement of the "ID number" column. The purpose of that column is essentially to provide an external link to source the material in that row (specifically the name and the projected release date) and sources are usually provided at the end of rows in a table list like this one. – Zntrip 08:15, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable current inmates list 

message: Hi, I noticed that inmate Kent Hovind was added to the notable inmates list.  While the BOP Inmate Locator lists Hovind as being at ADX Florence, he is actually at the minimum-security prison camp. I'd like to place him in the FCI Florence article because he does not fit with the other inmates in the ADX Florence site. MDEVER802 (talk) 23:21, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kent Hovind 

message: I'd like to shorten the details section for this inmate to make it more succinct. MDEVER802 (talk) 15:49, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Rudkin 

message: I'm trying to keep the details part of this section four lines or less for each inmate. MDEVER802 (talk) 06:27, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable inmates section "Details" length 

message: Whenever an inmate is serving a sentence that is not specified as LIFE on the BOP Inmate Locator, but which makes it impossible that they will be released, I list it as a life sentence for purposes of consistency.  For example:
*MICHAEL RUDKIN, age 43, release date in 2099
*MAHMUD ABOUHALIMA, age 52, release date in 2087
*THOMAS SILVERSTEIN, age 60, release date in 2095
*DWIGHT YORK, age 67, release date in 2122
Hope that's ok with everyone... MDEVER802 (talk) 04:40, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life sentence 

message: I believe Anthonoy "Gaspipe" Casso" should be added to the Mafia and drug cartels list. He was the former boss of the Lucchese crime family.  More information can be found on him on this wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Casso; I would do it myself but I do not understand the coding of the boxes when editing. Many thanks. (C_falco (talk) 13:37, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anthony Casso 

message: Why are these tables sortable? Several rows have multiple prisoners listed, ignoring alphabetically the inmates listed below line breaks, and the Status column is sorted alphabetically based upon text, not scheduled release date. The Details column should not be sortable at all. AldezD (talk) 14:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are there multiple prisoners grouped together, and why are there separate sections for category of crime? What about "notable" prisoners who do not fit into those categories? AldezD (talk) 14:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is Simón Trinidad grouped under Islamic Terrorism? Also, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali and Faisal Shahzad are grouped under Domestic terrorism, and there are people in the Islamic terrorism section that committed domestic terrorist attacks. AldezD (talk) 15:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable current inmates 

message: I do not see how these inmates are notable.  They did not receive any press attention and were not involved in high-profile incidents.  I would like to delete them.
MDEVER802 (talk) 21:00, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steven Reid, Johnson, Milburne, Gravely 

message: The page originally had his death listed as "natural causes", with quotations.  This is not appropriate for Wikipedia.  The citation given lists his death as a result of a heart attack.  If this is in question, the reason to question this should be given and appropriately cited.  I have removed the quotation marks from this statement. Physicsguy2 (talk) 15:24, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death of Clayton Fountain 

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message: Should we add a list of former inmates with two separate sections: Current inmates and Former inmates? Stephen"Zap" (talk) 00:17, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former inmates 

message: Especially given that this section contains only one individual, why isn't he just included under "organized crime figures?" This seems like a distinction without a difference. 108.34.206.74 (talk) 03:42, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cartel leaders aren't organized crime figures? 

message: The article says
:houses about 400 male inmates, each assigned to one of six security levels
Do we know what those levels are and how they differ in their privileges? Are prisoners of all six levels in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day? How often can prisoners of the various levels receive visitors? AxelBoldt (talk) 22:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Security levels and visits? 

message: The examples of famous prisoners doesn't fit at all with the claim that these prisoners are the most violent.  
Robert Hanson, Ted Kyzonski, Terry Nichols, etc. These are political Prisoners in the sense that they threatened the State. 
They have no record of attacking guards or other imates. 
In all these cases I've mentioned they were sent here directly from their trial as additional punishment for political crimes.  It is the American gulag.
The article reads as government propaganda as written.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.9.224 (talk) 16:45, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Wondering if this is where Trump could be placed if he is handed long sentences for conspiracy to insurrection, treason, perjury etc in the future... ;) 188.150.64.57 (talk) 04:35, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political Prisoners? 

message: On the B-2 article it says "Noshir Gowadia, a design engineer who worked on the B-2's propulsion system, was arrested for selling B-2 related classified information to foreign countries." But on this page he is the "principal designer of the B-2 stealth bomber". Obviously the "principal designer" worked on the propulsion system ... but can we try to get these job titles to agree a little better? A5 (talk) 17:59, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  —Nnadigoodluck███ 20:56, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: ADX Florence →  – The reason for this request to rename and move this page is for conciseness. The official BOP website lists the facility as USP Florence ADMAX.
– Vdedes98 (talk) 04:30, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
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message: how?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.158.143.4 (talk) 05:36, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  suicides 

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The result of the move request was: Moved   (t · c) buidhe 06:08, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: USP Florence ADMAX →  – Common name of the facility. I doubt a reader would search for "USP Florence ADMAX". Kind regards, Justarandomamerican (talk)  Also, have a nice day! 19:59, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 29 December 2020 

message: Sal Magluta should be notable on this list Victor Grigas (talk) 00:06, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sal Magluta 

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