Talk:Dogfights (TV series)

message: Hornfischer, in the episode list, you updated the entry for "Death of the Japanese Navy", expanding the description.  Thanks for that.  You also changed the date for the episode from 12/15/06 to 12/29/06.  The dates after the episode names are the original air dates for the episodes.  These can be seen by going to the external link "Episodes for Dogfights on IMDB", near the bottom of the page.  Per IMDB, that episode originally aired on 12/15/06.  So, I'm changing the date back.  Keep in mind that these episodes are often repeated by the History Channel.  For all I know this episode was also shown on 12/29/06, and you may have seen it then.  If you'd like to discuss this further, please reply here. -- Mudwater 00:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode List &mdash; Original Air Dates 

message: The two hour (including commercials) episode "Dogfights: The Greatest Air Battles" was the pilot episode for the series (no pun intended).  It was made and originally broadcast about year before the rest of the episodes.  It's included in the DVD box set of the first season that was released on 4/24/07.  In trying to figure out when it originally aired, I found this discussion board thread on historychannel.com.  On 9/17/05 they're saying that they saw it "Friday night", which seems to indicate that it aired on Friday, 9/16/05.  I've put that in the article as the original air date.  If anyone can confirm or refute that, please reply here. — Mudwater 12:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original air date of "The Greatest Air Battles" 

message: please correct the verbage in the WWII episode as the narrator refers to an ME 109 German vs. a P-47 USA aircraft . the plane in the graphic is a German FW 190 not a ME -109 . d.crowley 7-27-07
:I'm looking at the article and I'm not quite clear on what should be changed to what.  Can you explain the exact correction you're suggesting?  Or better yet, you can just go ahead and fix the article.  You don't have to sign in to change articles if you don't want to, you can edit them anyway. — Mudwater 01:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen the commercial, and there's both a Bf-109 and an Fw-190. But I think we should wait until the episode airs, then make the correction. Cheers, JetLover (talk) 20:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible correction re ME-109

message: In a recent edit the word "pilot" was changed to "aircrew" in a number of places in the article.  I'm voting for changing it back.  The vast majority of the show deals with pilots.  Other aircrew members are involved or even interviewed occasionally, but since the show focuses on fighter airplanes dogfighting, the major emphasis is on the pilots.  Anyone else have an opinion on this? — Mudwater 23:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it back. The only two episodes with aircrews in them were Long Odds and Kamikazes. The rest were pilots. Cheers, JetLover (talk) 03:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I made that change from "pilot" to "aircrew" and while I disagree with going back to "pilot," I'm not going to bother getting in an argument over changing it back.  However, I'd appreciate if you'd try to understand where I'm coming from. The assertion "The only two episodes with aircrews in them were Long Odds and Kamikazes" is not correct.  Besides Long Odds and Kamikaze, crews are featured (at minimum) in The Greatest Air Battles, Hell Over Hanoi, Hunt for the Bismarck, Death of the Japanese Navy, and the upcoming The Bloodiest Day.  For the oft-featured F-4, the pilots alone couldn't have pulled off the engagements or feats depicted -- the NFOs/WSOs were an integral part of the action.  The vast majority of the public reflexively attributes every action to "the pilot" when talking about aircraft, but since that is often not the case, I believe the use of the word "aircrew" is more appropriate; use of "pilot" is exclusionary, whereas the use of "aircrew" is inclusionary.  Shawn D. 16:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we could say "pilots" when it was a pilot and "aircrew" when it was an aircrew". Cheers, JetLover (talk) 21:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would work, but doing so for every episode could get unwieldy and detract from the flow of the article.  At least the issue has been acknowledged! Shawn D. 12:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Pilot" or "aircrew"? 

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message: I propose listing "Kamikaze" and "The Luftwaffe's Deadliest Mission" as two separate episodes, both with original air dates of 7/13/07.  As noted in the current version of the article, the first episode of the second season was apparently a two hour episode.  The first half was about Japanese kamikaze pilots, and the second half was about the German Sonderkommando Elbe.  Subsequently, the second half has been shown as a stand alone episode.  What I believe happened is that they were made as two separate episodes, then shown together as a single episode when season two premiered.  Now they're being shown separately, it seems.  "Kamikaze" hasn't been shown as a stand alone one hour episode yet, but I bet it will be at some point. — Mudwater 12:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been several weeks and no one's said anything about this either way, so I'm going to go ahead and make this change. — Mudwater 19:04, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

text: It's actually two seperate episodes, They were originally listed for broadcast in the listings and the HC Website under the title "Kamikaze" as Part 1 and Part 2. What was broadcast as Part 2 had the actual title of "The Luftwaffe's Deadliest Mission". "Part 2" was later broadcast under it's correct title as a repeat episode. Also, these two episodes were combined into a single two hour episode in the last week of November by cutting the credits of episode 1 and the intro and title splash of episode 2 and inserting a commercial break, as far as my recorder shows this was a once only thing so far. They might rebroadcast the two hour version again sometimes in the future, but I think it will add nothing but more confusion to what was the actual episodes. I still have my copy of the original broadcast of both episodes 1 and 2 on DVD with the airdate and listed title written on them the day they were broadcast. It doesn't tell me a whole lot about the HC's commitment to consistancy. ;-) I corrected the note in the episode list to reflect this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.10.213.103 (talk) 13:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  One episode or two? 

message: Does anybody know what's going on with Dogfights? I think we should include it in the article.  Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 04:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you please clarify this question by being more specific?  Also, why did you add the NPOV template to the article?  That says, "The neutrality of this article is disputed".  I wasn't aware of any neutrality disputes about the article, please explain.  Thanks. — Mudwater 13:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean it has been off for quite some time.  Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 21:14, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, they haven't shown a new episode in about three weeks.  I'm not sure that's worth mentioning in the article at this point though.  — Mudwater 03:30, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A new episode, "Night Fighters", is on now.... — Mudwater 03:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's happened to D-Fights! 

message: I put the neutrility tag there because they don't read NPOV to me.  Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 21:17, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I see what you mean.  It looks like someone who wasn't signed in added the original season two episode descriptions on July 11th.  I'm guessing that that original text, which has since been expanded upon considerably, was copied from something written by the History Channel.  At least that's how it reads.  I agree with you at least somewhat -- those parts of the descriptions could be written in a more neutral, encyclopedic tone. — Mudwater 03:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've edited the episode descriptions to be more neutrally worded.  The results are less colorful and exciting, but hopefully more appropriate for an encyclopedia article.  I've removed the "NPOV" template that said, "The neutrality of this article is disputed". — Mudwater 20:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality? 

message: Ok, has the show been cancelled or something? Look,   Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 21:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTF? 

message: Im pretty sure that there is more seasons than just two. Ruler of Coasters  Talk  13:02, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't think this page is accurate  

message: Despite the show cover many time space conflicts, most of them are covered in a U.S perspective if not Israeli. I think this show its a lottle bit Western centric. Take note that most of Aircraft losses suffered in Vietnam were American, since thay have more planes and flown more missions in enemy territory. All the program tries to show an American technologically and "*ethnic*" superiority against other races.200.48.214.19 (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pure propaganda. 

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