Template talk:Life timeline

message: I was wondering if it could be possible to add the "Earliest fungi" to the template.
I'm not sure if adding the "earliest form of fungi" (the one that diverged 1.5 billion years ago; Wang et al. 1999) or the earliest land colonization of fungi on the earth ~460 mya would be better. It seems that the timeline is more about "colonization" of living groups. As the "earliest plant" means the plants that "colonized land". 
The late, colonization of land, would reinforce the idea that plants have colonized land in conjunction with fungi (Claire et al. 2010).
Wang, D.Y.C.; Kumar, S.; Hedges, S.B. (1999). "Divergence time estimates for the early history of animal phyla and the origin of plants, animals and fungi". Proceedings of the Royal Society of London B. 266 (1415): 163–171. doi:10.1098/rspb.1999.0617. PMC 1689654. PMID 10097391.
Claire P. Humphreys, Peter J. Franks, Mark Rees, Martin I. Bidartondo, Jonathan R. Leake, David J. Beerling. Mutualistic mycorrhiza-like symbiosis in the most ancient group of land plants. Nature Communications, 2010; 1 (8): 103 doi:10.1038/ncomms1105 --Beausoleilmo (talk) 02:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: - added the following to the "Template:Life timeline" => add =>  | note40-at=-1500  | note40=Earliest fungi - per "Template talk:Life timeline#Fungi evolution and land colonization" - seems ok - please post if otherwise of course - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 04:15, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Evolution of fungi|Fungi evolution and land colonization]]  

message: Hello. On my devices the formatting of this template seems to be quite off. I was wondering whether the following edits could help:
* there isn't enough space on the left side to portray the full names of the ice ages. There is a bit of space left on the right-hand side though. Could the timeline for shifted to the right a bit?
* The word Quaternary now overlaps with the zero. As the beige colour denotes the period it's not entirely necessary to have Quaternary displayed exactly at that location. Could it be shifted downwards a bit?  
* Is it possible to decrease the distance between the letters in the vertical, so that Phanerezoic doesn't intrude too much in the next category? Femke Nijsse (talk) 08:13, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you for your comments - and suggestions - template seems to work very well (and for a very long time) on popular pc systems, including Wintel10-Chrome/Brave/Firefox/Opera browsers - what pc systems are you using? - perhaps you could try testing a newer template version at "Template:Life timeline/sandbox" (or equivalent sandbox location) and present the newer version for consideration - hope this helps in some way - Thanks again for your comments and all - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 17:00, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for your quick response. I've decreased the vertical spacing in the sandbox. Before the word Hadean wasn't entirely visible (using Firefox, Internet Explorer and android), with the letter n falling off. Now half of the letter n is displayed. Would you say that is an improvement? I haven't quite figured out how to do the horizontal placement.  Femke Nijsse (talk) 17:20, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:    Thanks for your comments - and efforts - yes - the Hadean text in the template now looks better, and has been added to the main template - Thanks again - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 02:21, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

text: FYI, I am the person who made the text bigger, per MOS:FONTSIZE, for accessibility. At the time, I suggested that if words didn't fit, the timeline elements that house them might have to be made larger. I don't know if that is possible. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:10, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   ok - unable to shift entire template to right as suggested - but moved notes ("Quaternary", "Cryogenian" and others) to the right a bit - seems better - and hopefully sufficient - hope this is now *entirely* ok - if you like, you may first test the suggested vertical text in the sandbox template for consideration - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 15:15, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: (sorry to be so insistent, working on the FAR for Earth). I think the problem has gotten worse now? The notes should be shifted left compared to the timeline so that they overlap less.  (of course, there is only space on the right, so everything should be shifted right if that were possible) Femke Nijsse (talk) 15:25, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting 

message: According to our own article on Evolution of sexual reproduction linked in this timeline,
: true sex is thought to have arisen in the Last Eukaryotic Common Ancestor (LECA), possibly via several processes of varying success, and then to have persisted (compare to "LUCA").
and so cannot antedate either "Earliest Fungi" or "Earliest multicell life" --136.24.115.209 (talk) 22:42, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your comments - yes - but in the same Wikipedia article (at "Evolution of sexual reproduction#Origin of sexual reproduction" ), there is the following => "In the eukaryotic fossil record, sexual reproduction first appeared by 1.2 billion years ago in the Proterozoic Eon". - hope this helps in some way - nonetheless - there may be a need for some further clarification about this perhaps - Comments Welcome from other editors - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 23:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading the "Wangetal1999" reference of the Wikipedia article Evolution of fungi states, "The three-way split of plants, animals and fungi, 1576.88 Ma". The second paragraph of the Wikipedia article Evolution of sexual reproduction has three references for this, "sexually reproducing animals, plants, fungi and protists could have evolved from a common ancestor that was a single-celled eukaryotic species." Thus it is impossible for fungi to have appeared before sexual reproduction. Now it may be true that the earliest fossil evidence for sexual reproduction is where stated in this time line template, that is a nuance which will be lost on the great majority of Wikipedia readers. Under the Wikipedia dictum "be bold", and in good faith, I made the change to match the reference, and put the reference in as a comment, hidden from readers, but available to Wikipedia editors. Nick Beeson (talk) 17:43, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  - Yes - *entirely* agree with your adjustments to the  template - no problem whatsoever - Thank You for your help with this - and - Stay Safe and Healthy !! Drbogdan (talk) 18:19, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sexual reproduction|Sexual Reproduction]] 

message: I see your point about linear scaling. How about a compromise? Let's stick with linear scaling, but set the class to "nomobile", which will hide the template on mobile browsers. The timeline is so big that the user experience on phones is not so nice. Just to point out, elements like sidebars and navboxes are already hidden on mobile browsers, so this will be the same as those.
What do editors think? — hike395 (talk) 15:35, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: (and others) - Thank You for your comments - and suggestion - yes - seems like an *excellent* idea - *entirely* ok with me - no problem whartsoever - hope this helps - Thanks again - and - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 15:53, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Large size of linear scaling

message: - To All Interested - copied the "Test Template Life timeline - Linear (sandbox2) version" to the "main template page" - seems ready for at least a "test run" so-to-speak - may (or may not) need some tweaks - *entirely* ok with me to rv/rm/mv/ce the edit of course - the " "Original" (sandbox3) version" is now at "sandbox3" - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 14:53, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like we've gotten to a good graphic! — hike395 (talk) 15:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Looks good to me. BirdValiant (talk) 16:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: New template seems ready for a "Test Run"

message: Apologies for the late response; my thesis has been consuming my life. I was wondering why there is no line extending to the modern day for the arthropods/mollusks group? Otherwise, I am loving the new template; it's much more readable (and accurate!) than the old one. Icarosaurvus (talk) 09:02, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: (and others) - Thanks for your comments - and concern - by coincidence, I was just wondering exactly the same thing last night - maybe there is a fix for this - guess we'll have to wait-and-see at the moment - Thanks again - and - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 16:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  (and others) - BRIEF Followup - one possible way to do this may be to extend a single very thin line from the middle of the "Arthrodods"/"Molluscs" block/bar vertically up to the top - between the "Birds" and "Primates" - some shifting may be needed (ie, "Dinosaurs" moved to the left a bit) - also - some shifting of other blocks/bars may be required - working in the sandbox ("Template:Life timeline/sandbox") before adding to the main template may be in order of course - doing this may be beyond my abilities at the moment, but other editors may like to give this (or some other solution) a try I would think - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 13:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  What about running it up along the far right side? I do not have time to do it myself, as graduate school is all-consuming, but it seems as though widening it slightly might be an option? Thanks for all your work! Icarosaurvus (talk) 16:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Snuck it up the right side, per . I sure wish we could change this to Chordates, though. — hike395 (talk) 20:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks great; thanks for all the work! Though you do bring up a great point with chordates. Icarosaurvus (talk) 10:48, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: A quick question

message: Moving the ice age names to the right looks OK. However, you should restore some narrow orange boxes (with no text) on the left, to mark the durations of the ice ages.  New size looks very nice otherwise.  —wing gundam 00:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your recent comments - and compliments re the updated "" - the notion of restoring the ice ages (including narrow orange boxes) to the left was thoroughly considered by myself and other template editors, including "User:Hike395", at the time of the recent template updating, but was not considered as good an option, for one reason or another, than the one we finally adopted - you may try to develop a test template of your preferred notions for "WP:CONSENSUS" in the template sandbox (at => "Template:Life timeline/sandbox" ) if you like of course - hope this helps in some ways - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 01:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Restore orange boxes marking ice ages

message: User:AmazinglyLifelike has recently changed the date of the beginning of sexual reproduction to a later date and basically changed one primary paper with another. On the Evolution of sexual reproduction article there are references pointing to sexual reproduction possibly being integral to the evolution of the first eukaryotic cell. Unless I see some better documentation, I favor just getting rid of the entry on the timeline altogether. BirdValiant (talk) 21:31, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: -  (and others): "Adjustments" made to the  template as suggested above - at least for starters until the issue(s) are better understood - Comments Welcome - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 22:45, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like the best idea, aye; these debates seem to get pretty contentious in academic circles, and there's no sense in bringing that grief here to Wikipedia at this time. Thanks a bunch for all your work, Drbogdan. Icarosaurvus (talk) 01:50, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

text: BRIEF Followup - based on the above references and related, seems the very best available supported estimate of the earliest time sexual reproduction began is about 2000 Mya - accordingly - this date is being used as a note on the  template - at least for starters at the moment - this date can be updated based on even better documentation than currently available of course  - Comments Welcome on this and related issues - hope this helps in some way - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 01:26, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beginning of sexual reproduction 

message: There's a considerable gap between the "Earliest Multicellular Life" arrow and the start of the Multicellular Life section. They would have to be in the same place. Should I change it?
AmazinglyLifelike (talk) 03:27, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: -  (and others): "Adjustments" made to the  template as suggested above - at least for starters until the issue(s) are better understood - Comments Welcome - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 22:45, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like the best idea, aye; these debates seem to get pretty contentious in academic circles, and there's no sense in bringing that grief here to Wikipedia at this time. Thanks a bunch for all your work, Drbogdan. Icarosaurvus (talk) 01:50, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did multicellular life start? 

message: (and others): 
At the moment, "Earliest sexual reproduction" is not noted on the  template since the time is not clear - previously, noted times on the template included the date 1200 Mya - and - the date 1576 Mya - in addition - and after a recent Google search - seems the date 2000 Mya is very well cited.
QUESTION: Are there any other suggested times (with WP:Reliable sources)? - Comments Welcome - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 13:36, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: BRIEF Followup - based on the above references and related, seems the very best available supported estimate of the earliest time sexual reproduction began is about 2000 Mya - accordingly - this date is being used as a note on the  template - at least for starters at the moment - this date can be updated based on even better documentation than currently available of course  - Comments Welcome on this and related issues - hope this helps in some way - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 01:26, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did sexual reproduction start? 

message: Fix wl “Pongola glaciation” accordingly to its label, not, as it is, to something different (i.e. “Fix wl”) 5.170.68.251 (talk) 17:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: - Thank You for your comments - and suggested fix - ok - now done - Thanks again - and - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 18:05, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2024