Talk:Battle of Vyazma

message: According to Józef Zajączek biography I am reading (Jadwiga Nadzieja (1988). Od Jakobina do księcia namiestnika. Wydawnictwo "Śląsk". ., p.212-213), Józef Poniatowski was wounded and from 1 November Zajączek commanded the corps. In her description of the Vyazm battle, she is pretty clear that Zajączek was still in command of the V corps. Yet this article seems to refer to Poniatowski as the V Corps commander, and doesn't even mention Zajączek. I don't have access to Poniatowski's bio to verify this right now, but this fact (that he was wounded and replaced by Zajączek) is confirmed in our unref bio of Poniatowski, as well as in his Polish Wiki bio. As such, I think this article is mistaken when making references to Poniatowski; if this is indeed how it is written in the secondary sources cited in this article, then we have a source material inconsistency. PS. Since Poniatowski was wounded just two days before the battle, some sources may refer to his corps and decisions correctly up to this point; my concern is for the battle part, when (on 3 November) the corps was already commanded by Zajączek for ~2 days, and Poniatowski was no longer in command. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 21:27, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: @User:Kenmore: I don't have access to N. book ATM (will do so in few weeks). For now my primary concern is to correct the error in who was the commander of the V Corps. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:06, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poniatowski or Zajączek? 

message: If anyone's interested in helping me upgrade the article, send me a message. Putting together a "clean up" list of improvement ideas would be a nice start.Kenmore (talk) 01:46, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up list 

message: I rewrote the original paragraph today, hoping to turn it into a good, readable, factually informative synopsis of the historical event at hand. I hope this version of the introduction stands permanently. Here it is, just for reference:
The Battle of Vyazma (November 3, 1812), occurred at the beginning of Napoleon’s retreat from Moscow. In this encounter a Russian force commanded by General Miloradovich inflicted heavy losses on the rear guard of the Grande Armee. Although the French thwarted Miloradovich's goal of encircling and destroying the corps of Marshal Davout, they withdrew in a partial state of disorder due to ongoing Russian harassment and heavy artillery bombardments. The French reversal at Vyazma, although indecisive, was significant due its damaging impact on several corps of Napoleon's retreating army.[1]
Hope everyone's happy with this version.Kenmore (talk) 23:47, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  I rewrote the introductory paragraph: this version is most concise, informative, and factually accurate 

message: Heads up to any editors following this article's development: I replaced one map with a new one. The prior map was the interactive map inserted by  Ruedi33a. The new one is taken directly from the West Point Military Academy Atlas of the Napoleonic Wars. I believe there are many advantages to the West Point map, and that we should stick with that one for the article. I've saved the coding to Ruedi33a's original interactive map, in case anyone thinks there's a better place to insert it. Please contact me with any suggestions or ideas.Kenmore (talk) 15:57, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  I replaced the interactive map with a West Point map of Napoleon's retreat from Moscow