Category talk:Indigenous peoples

message: User:Sinama-Webmaster/Sama people is turning up listed under < S > on the Category--Indigenous peoples of Southeast Asia page. I have edited his user page to break the link but it is still appearing Felix505 (talk) 19:03, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad link to Category::Indigenous peoples of Southeast Asia 

message: I having issues with the term "Indigenous peoples of North Asia" as it looks like original research. Both within Russia and internationally "North Asia" is simply not a common geographic frame of refernce. The same is true for UN contexts. Here, when indigenous peoples are being categorised by region, the regions will typically comprise: Latin America, Asia (which almost always excludes Russia), Africa, North America, sometimes Oceania and either Europe  including Russia or Europe and Russia as two distinct regions. 
The term most commonly used is "indigenous small-numbered peoples of the North, Siberia and the Far East", or "indigenous peoples of the (Russian) North, for short.
Another problem with "indigenous peoples of North Asia" is, that it  excludes indigenous peoples in the European North of Russia. For indigenous peoples in Russia, the distinction between the European and Asian parts of the Country is entirely meaningless. Nenets live on both sides of the Ural, on either side they are indigenous.
If you have a look a the interwiki links of :Category:Indigenous peoples of North Asia, you will note the inconsistency. Most notably, the Russian counterpart is called: :ru:Категория:Коренные народы Севера (=Category:Indigenous peoples of the [Russian] North), . So if the category is to remain in en.wp, the interwiki links will have to be removed, because the English category is different from the Russian one.
There is another problem making the whole thing not that complicated: The Russian term excludes ethnic group of more than 50,000 individuals, thus, in Russian contexts, the Buryat, Yakut, Tuvans, Komi and Khakass are not recognised as indigenous. 
So maybe there should be two separate categories which will be largely overlapping: Indigenous peoples of the Russian North (as a political categorisation, in accordance with the definition stemming from Russian legislation) and "indigenous peoples of North Asia" as a merely geographical categorisation. In addition, there are, I would say, the indigenous peoples of the (geographical) Artic, which includes some but not all of Russia's IP of both the Asian and European parts as well as of Northern Scandinavia, Greenland & North America. So, the Chukchi would end up in three categories: IP 1) of North Asia, 2) of the Russian North and 3) of the circumpolar rim, the Nenets even in four, the fourth one being IP of Europe, as they are living to both sides of the Ural. The Yakut would go into IP of North Asia & of the Circumpolar Rim but not into IP of the Russian North, as they are not legally indigenous in Russia. The Udege would be IP of North Asia and of the Russian North but not of the Circumpolar Rim, as they live too far to the south..
What would you think of such an approach? --Johannes Rohr (talk) 09:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: So, I have now added a regions sub-category :Category:Indigenous peoples of Russia with a sub-category :Category:Indigenous small-numbered peoples of the North, Siberia and the Far East and I have changed the interwiki links accordingly. --Johannes Rohr (talk) 07:28, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Indigenous_peoples_of_North_Asia]] vs. [[Indigenous peoples of the Russian North]]