Talk:Order of the Holy Sepulchre

message: Some anon pushed here curious list of hereditary Grandmasters of the Order. He make references to Vatican article, but his view in incorrect. In this article is: "According to accounts of the Crusades, in 1103 the first King of Jerusalem, Baldwin I, assumed the leadership of this canonical order, and reserved the right for himself and his successors (as agents of the Patriarch of Jerusalem) to appoint Knights to it, should the Patriarch be absent or unable to do so." Of course, this right to appoint knights (in case of Patriarch absentia), is not "grandmastership". In the same cited article is :"Throughout the whole period of the Latin Patriarchate’s suppression, the right to create new Knights was the prerogative of the representative of the highest Catholic authority in the Holy Land: the Custos."These custods were Franciscan friars (not monarchs).  --Yopie 18:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grandmasters 

message: While usually a dame is a member of a chivalric order in her own right whereas a lady is the wife of a kinght, this is not always the case. A female member of the Order of the Garter in England or the Order of the Thistle on Scotland is a lady, not a dame. Thus, there is nothing unusual in some lieutenancies using the term lady rather than dame.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.181.11.138 (talk) 21:24, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A woman Invested into the Order receives the rank of Dame, what you are seeing i think is just a direct translation from the Italian version of the website (Dama). If comparing to others Orders, all Orders awarded by the pope, grant women the title of Dame when invested into their order. If the woman or Lieutenancy prefer to call their female members ladies that is up to them.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chefgervasio (talk • contribs) 00:23, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dame v Lady 

message: Since this Order is an Order of Knighthood conferred by the Holy See as a Sovereign State, this Order should not be listed as a "Roman Catholic" order, but as "an Order of Knighthood conferred by the State of the City of the Vatican." Further, there is also an Order of Merit of this Order that is conferred upon non-Roman Catholics as well. JustTryintobeJust (talk) 20:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: While the Supreme Pontiff personalises its fons honorum, the order does maintain a spiritual mission and activites, well covered in the sources. It is also true that while this order like similar ones have bestowed non-Catholics themselves and its definition as "Roman Catholic" could so be deemed gradual in this aspect, I would be surprised to see convincing arguments that this would thus disqualify it altogether from the epithet. Chicbyaccident (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not an Order of Merit, but a Cross of Merit. I believe that it was once instituted as an Order of Merit with the regular Knight etc grades, but it was turned into a cross of merit with 1st Class etc to avoid confusion. Jonar242 (talk) 08:27, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

text: If a non-Catholic is awarded the Cross of Merit, that does not grant the person membership into the Order.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chefgervasio (talk • contribs) 11:40, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  A State Order and not a Roman Catholic Order as such 

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thread_title: Sources for future article expansion

message: This article states that the Canons Regular of the Holy Sepulchre "ceased to exist at the end of the 15th century" (except for the female canonesses). However, the article on the canons suggests that, while the order was technically dissolved by papal bull in 1489, this edict was never put into effect in practice, was reverted in 1499, and that the order survived into the 19th century. Can an informed editor sort out the contradiction please? 193.39.212.64 (talk) 18:18, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canons 

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