Talk:First Aliyah

message: As the land was then part of the Ottoman Empire, it is necessary to cite the standing and reaction of the Empire to the First Aliyah as well as to all matters related to mass migrations to Palestine during the rule of the Ottoman Empire. It is important to know the instances of acceptance and resistance to the event by the Ottomans, as well as how they dealt with it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikieditjust (talk • contribs) 06:11, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: What was the Ottoman standing and reaction?

message: Someone has revoked the following edit for no good reason whatsoever - it's sourced and provides an essential 'balance' to this article.
:Israeli historian Benny Morris found evidence that their motives may not have been quite what is often suggested - at Benny Morris, "Righteous Victims, a history of the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881-2001", 2nd Edition p. 49  he writes that "...... For decades the Zionists tried to camouflage their real aspirations, for fear of angering the authorities and the Arabs. They were, however, certain of their aims and of the means needed to achieve them. Internal correspondence amongst the olim from the very beginning of the Zionist enterprise leaves little room for doubt". In his book, Morris excerpts three letters written in 1882 by these first arrivals, one of which speaks of "conquer the land .... buy, buy, buy", the other two of taking it by force.
::I've removed your editorializing that "their motives may not have been quite what is often suggested " - because that is not what the subsequent quote says. I also the generic sentence ("for decades the Zionists tried to camouflage their real aspirations...") because it does not mention the First Aliya at all. I left intact the reference to the letters which are actually quoted, and th einformation that many of these immigrants subsequently left. Isarig 01:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All the historical evidence we have from the people taking part in the First Aliyah was removed, piece by piece (and this has been done repeatedly). One is left wondering what part of Wikipedia intent or policy is being followed in this article. Where does it say we cannot have the words of the participants, or the commentary of historians? PalestineRemembered 09:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Perfectly good, sourced material, summararily revoked

message: Hello- On the page the First Aliyah, I added “Only a small minority of the 6,000 remained in Ottoman Palestine.[7] This accounted for only about 2% of the emigrants who went to Palestine[7] A large majority of the Jewish emigration movement came from Russia, Romania, and Galicia.[7] The pogroms that took place in Russia and Romania during 1881-1882 caused massive emigration of Jews.[7] During the time of the programs, Jews were mistreated and, as a result, left Romania and Russia.[7] The First Aliyah[4] occurred from 1881-1903 and did not go as planned as Zionists ran out of funds.[7] The Rothschild organization rescued the Zionist movement as the Rothschild organization funded Zionists through purchasing large settlements and created new settlements as well. At the closure of the first Aliya, the Jews had purchased 350,000 dunams of land. Thus, the First Aliyah was considered a success through the eyes of some Zionists since Zionists were able to migrate and thrive economically in Palestine. Other Zionists may say the First Aliyah was not a success because it many Zionists did not stay and Zionists ran out of funds necessary to complete the moement before looking for money through another source. Immigration of the Jews to Palestine took place from 1882-1904 but Jewish immigration continued thereafter.”. This information will give the page more credibility and provides correct and reliable facts about the First Aliyah.
Andrewhoward5416 (talk) 22:01, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Aliyah 

message: I suggest the following edits to the first Aliyah page, Under "The Immigrants" section
-In the settlements, women very rarely did field work. They typically avoided work in the fields. Women tended to be more committed to child care and house work. Women felt that they could not possibly take themselves away from their regular duties for work in the field.
-Even while being committed to housework and childcare, women still received intense pressure from their husbands to assist in the field. Very few women opted to do both house work and field work.
-There was a very noticeable difference between Eastern European women among the Jewish immigrants of the First Aliyah and the German Christian Templar women who had immigrated to Eretz-Israel 10 years earlier. Templar households were more self supporting. Avoiding Arab resources.
Sources: https://www.jstor.org/stable/4467472?seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents, The Transformation of the Role of Women in the First Aliyah, 1882-1903, pages 65,66
MitchHynes5555 (talk) 21:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
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I simply moved a few sentences up or down to make the text flow better. I also added better connectors between sentences. There was no change in content.--HeloPait (talk) 17:09, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 20:17, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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