Talk:Football in England

message: Is it possible that the big table can have women's stuff like the FA Women's Cup added in? i have no clue how to do it and don't want to cock up. A.K.A.47 — Preceding undated comment added 23:21, 16 February 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Women's football in table

message: Besides missing a lot of links, doesn't the "Football in different regions of England" section just regurgitate details that can be found on the pages of the respective clubs? Does anyone else think it should be summarized a bit? --Howcheng 19:18, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - currently it's just a club-by-club dump of facts, so I've taken it out. Having a subsection of "History" dealing with the spread of footballing power throughout the country might be worthwhile, but this is just an unwikified mess. sjorford #£@%&$?! 09:39, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Football by Region is redundant 

message: I recommend these should go or at least be trimmed/re-named. Such lists are very subjective and p.o.v., and usually just seem to be an excuse for people to add their own favourites to the list. SteveO 23:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. There is a discussion on "lists", albeit those that form articles, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football. You might find it useful to raise this matter there as it is related. Alias Flood 00:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Here, here --Robdurbar 07:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've removed them. SteveO 02:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "see also" links to the PFA Players' Player of the Year, PFA Young Player of the Year and FWA Player of the Year articles instead?  They are verifiable and cover most of the same names. Aquilina 16:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Great players/managers

message: At the bottom section of the article it reads "These two led to a modernization of English football and English grounds. Efforts were made to remove hooligans from English football, whilst the Taylor Report led to the". Is someone still finishing this? --81.157.138.137 13:00, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A whole chunk at the end got cut off by a careless editor, I have restored it and sent him a message Bob Palin 15:04, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Last section unfinished?

message: I made a few changes a couple of weeks ago in an attempt to consolidate the number of subheadings and sections in the article. At some point it was reverted, though its not obvious when without quite a bit of digging through the history. What are people's thoughts about changing the League system and Cup competitions sections to a single Structure section as in ? Oldelpaso 15:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I think they're best left as they are - they're a healthy size each and there's very little overlap between the two. Qwghlm 09:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Condensing and reducing number of sections

message: As well as this article there is a Football in regions of England article, whose existence is dubious given that the top five levels of football in England are played on a national, not regional scale. I would suggest merging it with the History of English football section in this article, but that would probably make the page too long. So instead I propose splitting off the History section to a separate page, merging what's possible from the regions article into that, and providing a mere summary here. Does anyone have any opinions? Qwghlm 00:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. Plus, it might free up room in this article for a summary style Economy of English football section which is currently lacking. (I made a start on this in a sandbox a while back, but never got around to finishing it). What do you think of the idea of a Structure section I proposed above? Oldelpaso 08:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've split the article off, as no-one objected. Qwghlm 13:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And now done the merge, which was painful. Some of the writing quality admittedly isn't very good; the History of English football could do with a going over as a CotW, to be honest. Qwghlm 21:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge & reorganisation 

message: The Republic of Ireland football article has recently been changed to Association football in the Republic of Ireland. The attending voters had a chance to use the common Irish-media-used 'disambiguator' of "Soccer" (ROI of course has Gaelic football too), but instead they chose "Association". It was pushed through on an "over 60% percent consensus". There is a vote going on now to change the article to "Football (soccer) in the Republic of Ireland". But even now "Association" is winning out - and the most common reason given to keep it is that the 'main article' is called Association football - and so other articles must keep in line. 
But for this 'conformity' to make proper sense, it would mean that the other national team articles like England's would have to fall into line too. Some voters have openly expressed a desire for this to happen. Where will it end - with the national teams?
I think people here should be alerted to the tide of change that was first started with the move to Association football, and that a collection of UK nation 'straw polls' would be an interesting barometer for us all.
Note on "canvassing"
Supporters of the word "Association" are very critical of "WP:CANVASSING on this subject, and it is my opinion that they prefer their votes to be tight and guarded: and I can see no bias involved in informing all the UK nations at all. I am risking this accusation as I believe this vote is of major importance to all national team articles: I have given valid reasons for this above - so please restore this poll if it changed or removed, and explain why it is important in your edit note.--Matt Lewis (talk) 16:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Straw Poll - on changing to [[Association football in England]] 

message: My first impression of the article is that the lead section as it is today is not about English football, but about the word football as it is used in England.  This does a disservice to the rest of the article.  I propose that it be moved into the body of the article, and a new lead section written which defines the topic and summarises the article.  I like the guidelines at WP:LEAD, that style seems to work well for featured articles.  --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 08:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: A section on clubs would be useful here, listing numbers, oldest, most successful etc. Also a paragraph on those clubs located in England that play in other nations' leagues, such as Berwick. Grunners (talk) 20:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Clubs

message: With the Pre War era being an amateur, undeveloped, substandard era, slack rules/offside (sometimes non existant), goal inflation, easy scoring, with teams filled with local players only who had multiple jobs..and goal records galore...
most goals by a player in a game - 10 (1936). 
most goals by a player in top flight game - 7 (1935, Drake). 
most hat-tricks in a﻿ season - 9 (1926, Camsell).  
most top flight goals in a season - 128 (1931, Villa).  
most home goals in a season - 83 (1928, Millwall).  
most away goals in a season - 60 (1931, Arsenal).  
most goals in 1 day - 209 in 44 games (1936).  
most goals in a game - 13-4 (1936). 
There should be more detail on this...also explain why the weak Pre War era is ignored and dismissed by contemporary writers and experts due to its lack of credibiity...and the use of the term "Post War" record is dominant in the media when the sport started to develop. 666 Eddie (talk) 05:56, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Football's Pre War GOAL INFLATION 

message: If anybody wants to develop articles on London-area football clubs for London wiki [www.london.wikia.com] please do so (given that my knowledge of football is very limited). Jackiespeel (talk) 15:57, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: London wiki

message: Not being English the huge number of cups is confusing, not to mention the fact they regularly change sponsorship name and also have similar names.  Being a visual person, I think it would be great to include a table that summarises per league which cups (including vases, trophees etc) a club in that league is eligible to participate in.  Using the following columns:
*League Level (ie. 1,2,3,....-11)
*League (name eg. Premier League, Championship....)
*Then a column per Trophee indicating if clubs at that level are eligible to participate using a tick or cross.
Thoughts? Is anyone good at wiki tables? --TinTin (talk) 01:54, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Summarised Cup Eligibility Table

message: Level	League(s)                      	FA Cup	Football League Cup	Football League Trophy	FA Trophy	FA Vase	Conference League Cup
1    	Premier League                 	X     	X                  	                      	         	       	
2    	Football League Championship   	X     	X                  	                      	         	       	
3    	Football League One            	X     	X                  	X                     	         	       	
4    	Football League Two            	X     	X                  	X                     	         	       	
5    	Conference Premier             	X     	                   	                      	X        	       	X
6    	Conference North / South       	X     	                   	                      	X        	       	X
7    	NPL / SFL/ IL Premier Divisions	X     	                   	                      	X        	       	
8    	NPL / SFL/ IL Division Ones    	X     	                   	                      	X        	       	
9    	Various                        	X     	                   	                      	         	X      	
10   	Various                        	X     	                   	                      	         	X      	
11   	Various                        	X     	                   	                      	         	X      	
I got around to creating the table to show what I meant (see above).  I think it nicely summarises the text.  I haven't included the FA Community Shield as the eligibility is a bit more complicated because technically the FA Cup winner could be from any level. --TinTin (talk) 00:04, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Current National Cup Competitions

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