Talk:Utah State Route 201

message: This article was assessed 22 June. However, I feel that now it meets the B-class criteria. CL — 23:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While I won't reassess it as C, I'd like to see some references in the route description section, and possibly have the RD split into two paragraphs for readability. -- Kéiryn (talk) 00:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I will attempt to work on that in the near future sometime. CL — 00:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: Looking at the UTAH designations for the end point of U-201, I'm finding 2 different ending points.  Reference #8 points to US 89, while reference #9 shows the end at the onramps to I-15.  Any ideas?  I can make the map either way.  25or6to4 (talk) 02:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a tough call. It's a case of the legal description not matching the "reality" description. I'd say whichever you feel is best. No matter which one you choose someone won't like it =-) Dave (talk) 02:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Street View was done Summer of '07 here I believe. But we have two contradictory views here. The route log PDF for SR-201 says the route ends at the beginning of the on-ramps to I-15/I-80 and at the end of the gore point of the on-ramp from 900 West. So the on-ramps from SR-201 east to I-15 and I-80 are technically not part of SR-201. The legislative definition in the route log reads "From Route 80 at Lake Point Junction easterly on Twenty-first Street to the On Ramp from 900 West", while the legislative definition in the route history PDF reads "From Route 80 at Lake Point Junction easterly to 900 West; then northerly to 2100 South Street; then easterly to Route 89." However, I think the route log should be taken the most seriously, so what do you think about the red line ending right before the on-ramps? In any event, this isn't important as I thought it was, the map is still pretty accurate (I wasn't aware that SR-201 was changed. Or was it? Argh...). CL — 19:56, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The question I emailed about was in reference to the route log. UDOT knows that it maintains the piece east of I-15, but doesn't like to call it SR-201 in some contexts. --NE2 00:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As a testament to UDOT's displeasure in admitting they maintain that severely congested four-lane road east of the freeway to US-89, they posted signs at the junction of SR-201 at US-89 that say "TO SR-201". Before, it was a direct arrow suggesting SR-201 terminated there. Oh well, what do you suggest we do with the map? CL — 06:37, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm. That certainly muddles things a bit. Maybe a different color could be used for that part? --NE2 15:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we might as well highlight the rest of the route with the normal color seeing as it is still technically part of the route (or it's not, considering it's not on the route log...). Okay, scratch that, a different color sounds good. I did drive by the technical eastern terminus of SR-201 at US-89, and there is a "End of State Maintenance" sign at the end, which means UDOT should still have at least some control over the non-freeway portion. I've seen the California maps that you've made, I think the pink/salmon color in :Image:California State Route 90.svg is sufficient. I'll notify 25or6to4 on his talk page just to make things faster and because I have a side-request that I could file for sake of speed. CL — 06:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ending location? 

message: I know the big UP rail yard is at the eastern terminus of 201, but what is the the name of the RR line that pretty much parallels the route near Kennecott? --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • [ log]) 04:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My Benchmark atlas labels it as "KCCX" I can guess what the KC is for, I'll leave the CX for someone else. Most likely it was built as a spur to the Feather River Route which is the line that loosely parallels the old route of US-40 (North Temple Street) before I-80 was finished. =-) Dave (talk) 04:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you throw together a  code for your atlas for me? --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • [ log]) 04:53, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Well What do you know List of AAR reporting marks: K. Dave (talk) 04:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So its Kennecott rail. Mkay. --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • [ log]) 04:53, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

text: You were who I was looking for :p -- I added in the basic info on the parallel rail line, but if you think you could expand it somehow, that would be great --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • [ log]) 06:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You should mention the Lincoln Highway remnants alongside SR-201 in Kennecott property:  The SR-4 history PDF shows their bypassing. --NE2 06:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rail 

message: I recall a while back there being confusion as to whether US-40 or US-40 Alternate was routed through 2100 South on Salt Lake's east side, right? Well, I ran into a newspaper article from 1959 that lists US-40A going through Foothill Drive and 4th South into Downtown (so one would assume US-40 at that time would go through 21st South). This article from '62 states the Highway Department was looking into switching the alignment of the two routes. By 1975, US-40A was now on 2100 South, judging by this topographical map of the area (you can barely see the Alt 40 shield in purple). Basically:
*In 1962, US-40 went through 2100 South and US-40A went north on present day SR-186. However, by this time they were considering switching the alignments of the two
*By 1975, the two were switched.
Does the history already mention this? It's a bit confusing since it uses the internal designations of U.S. routes at the time.
As for U.S. 50 Alternate on present-day SR-201, it still existed in 1972 through Magna, judging by this. This newspaper article from '60 [scroll down a little and there's a map of Salt Lake, pretty interesting] gives 21st South through Sugar House the US-50A designation - apparently, that and US-40 were cosigned in that area? But what happens to US-40 as it heads west toward Magna? Does it turn up State Street and then continue west on North Temple toward the airport? Hmm... CL (T · C) — 03:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good find. I agree that focusing on the internal designations is not helpful to the non-roadgeek reader, and the article should mostly focus on the signed designations. I say go for it, I can see your next GA from here =-).
For the record, I have the 1974 UDOT map, Here is what it shows:
*The statewide map on the front is not detailed enough to show the alignment in downtown SLC, but 21st south is denoted at both SR-201 and ALT-50 in what was then Granger (now called  West Valley City).  Citation text: 
*The Salt Lake City inset on the back shows ALT-40 as running along Foothill Drive. There is no mention of the SR-186 designation and no mention of where mainline US-40 runs. The only US-40 shield shown is along North Temple west of Redwood Road. However at the time I-80 was not constructed west of Redwood Road. It shows 21st south as ALT-50 west of I-15 and no designation east of I-15.  Citation text: 
So if we take this literally the changeover would have to be between when the cartography on this map was done (most likely 1973, although the copyright date is 1974) and 1975, per the source you found. I know from personal experience that in the late 1970's Foothill dr. was signed as US-40 mainline. Dave (talk) 07:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the thorough reply. Here's what's gotta be recapped for GA:
*Where did US-40(A) turn off of SR-201 toward downtown? I'm assuming State Street. And west of State St (if this really is where US-40 turned off), SR-201 was US-50A until, when? 
*The history currently states the highway was removed from the system east of State in '69 - I'm assuming this only applies to SR-201 and not the US-40 designation. 
*Before I-80 was constructed, SR-201 ended at US-40 on the west end, I'm assuming? And judging by this overhead image from 1958, SR-201 terminated on its east end at that skewed intersection-thing with US-40(A) and SR-171. 
*I think it would be good to know every designation State Street carried at its intersection at SR-201 (US-91, US-50A?, US-89?, ...)
*When were the 3200 West and 5600 West interchanges built? I'm guessing late '80s, but a source is needed. We know through SR-154's history that the Bangerter Hwy exit was built 1991. 
Once we know all of this, a good article will be possible (and I'll try finding some of this information on my own, but perhaps you know some of the answers to these questions Dave? Of course, if anyone else knows this they can say so as well). It'll take some work, but I think getting this article to GA will be well-worth it. CL (T · C) — 23:15, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
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