Talk:Wii/Archive 5

message: I archived the old talk page due to its length. I don't think there were any unresolved issues in there.In general the nintendo revolution page is pretty stable but there are a few citations missing esp. towards the end of the article - if there is a rumour in the article with out any link it will probably be removed eventually - so add references PLease.HappyVR 16:21, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new page 

message: Great work on cleaning up this article...Just checked it now, all those other useless crap are now gone!
:>x<ino 17:00, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaned up 

message: This was added earlier.  Believe it's unsuitable in its current state.  I'm going to merge it into the existing specifications section. --OscarTheCattalk 22:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seemed like a good summary of everything that is actually known about revolution - however I removed the wired ethernet bit - erm not true?HappyVR 22:50, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Hi HappyVR.  I initially thought that about the wired ethernet stuff.  However, we've got a sentence in the article already "Nintendo has also provided a device that will be able to connect the Revolution online via a Windows XP computer, a USB port, and a Broadband connection as an alternative to buying a Wi-Fi router" which does suggest that a non-wifi option will be bundled/optional. What do you think? --OscarTheCattalk 22:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Ah yes, I think this is a USB wifi dongle to plug into a PC. The PC is connected to the internet and the Revolution connects to the PC via wifi. (Probably very similar to the Nintendo DS wifi dongle see ). My guess is that the Revolution will use something similar. As far as I know this is not yet absolutely official.HappyVR 12:29, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi - as the other part of the article references this, I've updated the specs section to show this, to maintain consistency.  Suggest that if the USB wifi dongle turns out to be mere conjecture, then we can remove the original sentence and this newly added part of the specs section. --OscarTheCattalk 19:27, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, If I've got this right I think the Revolution remains wireless and connects wirelessly to either a WiFi 'hotspot' or a PC with (Nintendo supplied?) WiFI transmitter/reciever connected to the PC via USB. In fact I think its a safe bet to assume that even the DS USB WiFi 'dongle' might pick up the Rev signal (or it might be configured to talk only to DS's). To be honest I know technically nothing about wifi. Now I think about it it's supposed to be easy to turn any internet connected PC into a wifi hotspot (no need for specialised nintendo hardware). In any case if someone knows better they'll soon clear this up.HappyVR 19:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Oops, I think I've just repeated what is already in the article. I've now noticed that in the section 'Ports and Peripherals' it includes 'Optional USB PC-compatible 802.11b/g wireless router.' which seems to duplicate 'Wired via USB (see Nintendo_Revolution#Connectivity)' in the section 'Networking' - I've done an edit - if it's not better then just change it back.HappyVR 20:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New specs section 

message: Hey, this is MAGUS from the NSider forums. I find your developer support section quite a bit lacking, and I figured I might as well post a link to my NSider forum post which is famous (or infamous) for its massive amount of listed Nintendo Revolution support by people AND companies. Everything on my list includes a source (or multiple sources) and quote(s).
I'd do some editing of the section myself, but I currently lack any time to do so.
Anyhow, I thought that I'd try to pitch in and help this article out a little bit by posting that. However, I may have posted it at a bad time considering the fact that the size of the article is currently being discussed.
Masamunecyrus 08:13, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Developer Support 

message: Is it just me or is the new reference format a pain in the ---- to use. I know User:OscartheCat kindly changed the refs to the new type and I don't want to seem ungrateful but personnally I prefered to be able to check a ref with a single click. Is there some way this can be achieved with the new reference method? I don't know it might be just me being old and grumpy - all I want is to click on a reference and be sent straight to the site. Any feedback??HappyVR 15:01, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shucks.  You're quite right, it does take 2 clicks, even if using popups. I've been helping out by updating quite a few article to use this format (Calvin and Hobbes, PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, PlayStation Portable), as it seems to be the preferred layout (e.g. it's used on today's featured article The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and many high-profile articles such as Wikipedia). That said, I am interested in feedback - perhaps we can pass thoughts on to the creator of the template (or author of popups), to see if this can be overcome somehow. --OscarTheCattalk 18:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate that there is now a list of references (with summary) at the bottom of the page - this is good. What would be REALLY good is if the summary line came up when the mouse pointer hovers over the link and clicking on the link does the jump, plus keep the list at the bottom. I've been meaning to ask about expandable text as well but have no idea who or where to ask. e.g. clicking on a highlighted word brings up a short explanation etc.(I've no idea if wikipedia can even do such things at present.) Anyway for now it doesn't really matter. Carry on your good work.HappyVR 19:25, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Hi, just to let you know I've asked the question on the popups talk page Wikipedia_talk:Tools/Navigation_popups#Previewing_of_references_using_popups - you might want to add it to your watch list, see if we get anywhere.  --OscarTheCattalk 20:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I've had a look at that page and it seems like it might be possible by editing some User:file (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups#Installation and further on) but unfortunately it still seems to link to the reference list and doesn't show the reference -shame but I'll keep a watch on that page, I didn't even know about the popups before, thanks.HappyVR 20:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Darn.  By the way, popups are worth installing, are excellent for checking out links (to see if they suffer from pointing at a disambig/redirect) and also for reverting duff edits. --OscarTheCattalk 21:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the popups show that some of the things I mentioned could be done e.g. expanding abbreviations to full text, explaining 'difficult' words without having to jump to a new page etc. I'm suprised that they're not included in user:preferences.HappyVR 21:26, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Lupin added it to the development version of popups.  See Wikipedia_talk:Tools/Navigation_popups#Previewing_of_references_using_popups. Superm401 - Talk 04:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Have started using it, and by jingo it works! Most excellent. --OscarTheCattalk 07:51, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The new references 

message: The url was missing a few digits so I fixed that. On the same site there is also this: Nintendo of Japan Marketing report pictures
It's the same thing but tidied up.HappyVR 23:27, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: magazine scans

message: We should probably cut down a bit on the use of fair use images.  I realize there's a valid promo photo claim, but they're still fair use and we should be conservative.  I don't think there needs to be a full gallery, for example. Superm401 - Talk 04:05, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair comment.  I've added a copied pic of the rear (showing connectivity) to another section.  As it stands, I believe the gallery is no longer needed - we've got all the pertinent pics in the other sections (console, controller, rear of console). Also, I'm no fan of the gallery tag - it leaves far too much white space around the pics. --OscarTheCattalk 07:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Which one? and why the image you mention? My edits were just a response to comments that there were too many images (which I aggreed with). I think they are all of dubious value..Maybe we don't need any of these images at present?HappyVR 19:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair Use Image Gallery 

message: Just a heads up.  Engadget has an article about a picture that was suposedly snapped at the GDC.  They speculate that the real name of the Nintendo Revolution will be revealed later today and that this could be it, the Nintendo Go.  Also, in the comments there's speculation that instead of the console being named this it might be the name of Nintendo's online service.  Hopefully, this stuff will either be confirmed or denied in the next few hours.  Since it's just one picture and some speculation on Engadget I don't think it's worthy of being included in the article just yet. Engadget article —This unsigned comment was added by TheKoG (talk • contribs) .
:I agree, we should wait until it's confirmed what Nintendo Go is before adding anything to the article. -- VederJuda 18:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And just seven minutes after your post an anon added it to the article.  :p --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, I just checked Digg and they have a news story saying that it's true about the rename.  Their source: The same engadget article I posted that's only speculating about the name change.  :p --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 19:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

text: It's no big problem.  It's just that facts added to the Wikipedia need to be verifiable.  At the moment the Nintendo Go name is just speculation.  In all likelyhood it is the new name; however, before changing the Wikipedia article to reflect this it needs proof. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 19:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo Go 

message: I just heard that Sega Genesis downloads (at least some) were confirmed, as was another system's game. . .
Can this be verified? —This unsigned comment was added by 71.52.243.126 (talk • contribs) .
:Yep, it's in the article under the section called "Virtual Console" with a link to its source article.  Also, please remember to start new discussions at the bottom of talk pages. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 20:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, I just added it.  This is actually my first time ever truly adding something to an existing article, so if anything needs to be cleaned up or changed, just let me know what you did so I can learn ;) Erik C 21:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Blargh, I just noticed where you (or someone else) added it towards the beginning of the virtual console section as well, TheKoG.  I'll try to clean it up a bit more. Erik C 21:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

text: You misunderstood. It's not 1000 games. The Genesis had a 1000+ game library. Nintendo said "best out of the Genesis' 1,000+ gaming library" or something like that. Read IGN's report. K1Bond007 22:33, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:   According to []:  "According to Nintendo, over 1,000 games for Sega's Genesis console, released in 1989, will be added to the Revolution's library."  That doesn't sound like a select amount, that sounds like over 1,000 games from the Genesis will be added to the Virtual Console library.  Do you have a link from IGN that doesn't jive with that?  And if so which source is more valid? Erik C 17:16, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 22:30, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New REV Info?

message: I noticed we have a little note up top that says the intro is a bit to long, any suggestions on how to fix this.  On thing that might be able to go would be the last paragraph: "Nintendo has been coy with release of information regarding the Revolution, leaving some..." Since it really doesn't seem overly relevant, nor does it give an sources for such a claim.  The second paragraph "he system was unveiled at Nintendo's 2005 E³ press conference and the system's game controller was revealed at the 2005 Tokyo Game Show by Nintendo President..."  Seems a little wordy as well.  No dout it contains some useful information, chronicaling the revalations of the system, but I think bare bones info like the release date and perhaps the date of the first unveiling would suffice.  Any other ideas, suggestions?  Erik C 17:21, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, I was going to ask where it even came from, since whomever added the tag didn't bother to post in the discussion page here.  I'll clean it up a bit as outlined above and remove the tag. Erik C 21:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At least it's in its proper place now.  Awhile ago I noticed it was in the references section, so I just removed it as nonsense.  I had no idea how long it had been down there or who added it. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 21:10, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Here's where it came from in the first place: . Though I don't know why having many references would be a bad thing... Robert 21:21, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see.  I agree though, can one really have to many references?  Especially when you're dealing with the launch of a video game console and rumors just fly everywhere.  I can see where someone would come from saying there are a lot of references.  But if they all serve a function can you really complain?  Thanks, Jax1 Erik C 21:24, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro Clean up?

message: "In an interview with IGN following the Game Developers Conference in March 2006, Beth Llewelyn (Nintendo of America's senior director of public relations) stated, "The penetration rate of HD is very small. Certainly down the road Nintendo will adopt that. Yes, in the future, we will.""
I removed thisHappyVR 08:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What's wrong

message: I removed this link :http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20050237323&OS=20050237323&RS=20050237323 Nintendo Revolution U.S. Patents
Can anyone confirm that this actually relates to the Revolution and not say the DS or something else?HappyVR 20:04, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rev patent?

message: Could someone sort out the virtual console section because it's a mess - duplicated infomation in the section and elsewhere in the article , trivial links , no structure - just new paragraphs added as the news comes in. Seems to need to be at least partially rewritten.HappyVR 20:29, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: >x<ino 01:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for doing that - your rewrite is readable - and so good enough for me.HappyVR 17:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  virtual console 

message: This reference appears dead:
It could be only temporary but otherwise it'll have to go.HappyVR 11:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still doesn't work for me? As no one else seems to be having problems I'll leave it as is for now.HappyVR 17:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Started working again - everything back to normal.HappyVR 17:31, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: virtual console reference

message: Nobady should add these unless we can find a source that says that nintendo said the info.--acfan-Talk to me 00:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to add that one problem is that even if these current new specs are right insufficient info has been provided for anyone to make a reasoned value judgement.(i.e. in the absence of other info 729MHz means practically nothing.)HappyVR 18:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 17:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specs 

message: I removed this:
*In a CNN interview, when discussing Revolution's two USB ports, President Satoru Iwata states that "practically any storage method can be used".  This could imply that a USB-based flash memory drive or external hard drive could be connected to the system.
Not because it's wrong (it's true) but because it's trivia - and not a rumour - connecting things like hard disks etc are what USB ports are for - it doesn't have to be speculated.HappyVR 09:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: rumour section edit

message: I have noticed that a lot of the rev news (14 weeks release, stuff about controller etc) is originating from 'Meristation' and the references we have quote this site but do not give a reference - since the site is in Spanish? should the actual original reference be listed or should the secondary (english) sites be used???HappyVR 10:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you find another reference, you can use it. Meristation got some exclusive interviews some months ago, which ended in the references you are finding around. Any site you find with the same information will likely have a reference to Meristation. -- ReyBrujo 22:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately they referencing sites don't give an exact reference so it's difficult to find, especially in you don't speak Spanish. What I was wondering is which is preferable - the original site in Spanish, a secondary site in English (not first hand info.), or a translated link (e.g BabelFish auto translation) to the original site.HappyVR 08:10, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Meristation

message: Revolution Report is *ahem* reporting  that Nintendo has released an *ahem* press release  where they state the new Revolution name is Nintendo nplay. However, the press release does not exist, or has been removed, and a quick Google search gives no matches. Thus, it must be a joke. -- ReyBrujo 18:42, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More then a joke... an April Fools prank thats got everbody thinking its real.--acfan-Talk to me 02:12, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo nplay 

message: I can't believe nobody noticed this http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/view_item.php?1143927317 HappyVR 16:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: >x<ino 17:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

text: um..that info. was created on April 1st. Do we know that its not just a joke. Jedi6-(need help?) 19:52, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The day after

message: Why was the 3D Realms note removed? I thought Wikipedia was UNBIASED? You fanboys like hiding information that doesn't make your precious company look good. GET OVER IT! It's a valid point to make note of. Fanboys.... they lack free will. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.162.192.39 (talk • contribs) 
:Please, be civil and assume good faith in the edits that have been made. By the way, which edit? Can you point to the diff? -- ReyBrujo 23:28, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea what you're talking about, 206.162.192.39. As with the above reply, please provide a diff URL. Also, if it pertains to 3D Realms, it may have been removed because Mark Rein now supports the Revolution. -- Masamunecyrus(talk)(contribs)  01:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The person means this:"* However, 3D Realms has stated they will not support the Revolution. In an interview, 3D Realms president George Broussard stated he believes the Revolution will be a failure and has no interest in developing for it." from 09:08, 2 April 2006 I removed it (if it's any consolation I totally agreed with your previously edit removing the word 'revolutionary') - Two reasons:It's a very trivial point and not worth inclusion.No reference provided and I searched too and couldn't find the interview (on the web)I'd like to read that interview though as I like that sort of thing - if any one has a reference for it please leave a link..HappyVR 17:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

text: *I found it. Clicky. It's MUCH more neutral than the troll seems to say. From the sound of it, 3D Realm's CEO is very doubtful about the Revolution, but he says that he cannot comment on the controller until he's used it himself. Also, it was not George Broussard -- it was Scott Miller. I wouldn't mind if the quote was put in the article, but I'd note that he hasn't used the controller, yet. Mark Rein had a similar attitude towards Nintendo, slamming it harshly several times; however, when he finally was able to use the Revolution controller, he changed his mind about it and is now excited about the system. -- Masamunecyrus(talk)(contribs)  23:02, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't be the same reference surely - the only similarity between the edit and reference is the name 3d realms.HappyVR 17:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

text: *That's the only story I've ever heard that likens to the removed comments, at all. I'm pretty sure that's the one. -- Masamunecyrus(talk)(contribs)  18:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 3D Realms note removed

message: Not long ago user:xino stated in this talk page:
Here is the current tech spec
got it from Gamespot
:>x<ino 17:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The $2000 price tag was mentioned by Matt at IGN Revolution, and I don't remember anything official about it. So, it should go in the rumours section, as the specs he leaked. -- ReyBrujo 18:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing bit

message: There is a technical error in IGN.com's Revolution's Horsepower article that I thought I would point out here.  It states the following:
:"The 'Hollywood' is a large-scale integrated chip that includes the GPU, DSP, I/O bridge and 3MBs of texture memory," a studio source told us.
It should say that the Hollywood is a very large-scale integrated chip, not a large-scale integrated chip.  For those who don't know, these are both technical terms used in digital design, and are abbreviated as VLSI and LSI respectively.  The general difference between the two is the number of transistors:  LSI chips have around tens of thousands of gates while VLSI chips have anywhere over a hundred thousand, such as modern-day processors. 137.48.130.200 23:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your probably right but maybe you should try telling IGN themselves. Jedi6-(need help?) 00:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I already did before posting here.  I will also edit the Rumors and speculation section when time allows me to, for I now see that what is currently mentioned on the Wikipedia article is out of context.  Comes to show that normal people won't realize that large-scale integrated is a technical term when they first interpret it.  137.48.130.200 02:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the definitions are slipping as time goes by just as what was a supercomputer 20 years ago might be considered underpowered today.HappyVR 17:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It has nothing to do with time.  These are terms used in digital electronics engineering to describe components, even components within chips.  The Integrated circuit article suggests that LSI and VLSI are still widely used, else they wouldn't make VLSI conferences or still teach this stuff in university-level education.  You can find LSI chips inside a normal pocket calculator, and anything processor-wise is VLSI.  Also, although the CPU is VLSI, it is made up of LSI components, such as the arithmetic logic unit (which could be considered LSI or VLSI depending on the number of transistors in it).  When drawing schematics in block diagram, either SSI, MSI, LSI, or VLSI can be used to describe each individual block, and you would choose one term depending on the number of transistors in the block.  For example, an adder is considered SSI because there are only a couple of transistors in it. 68.226.61.4 19:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in IGN.com's specs 

message: I removed:
: "CPU. Ageia is not listed as one of Nintendo's clients."
because I don't feel it is needed as CPU is already mentioned in this section.  Also I don't see what the reasoning behind the "Ageia" sentence is. Zebov 02:18, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically, he is stating that the rumours regarding Revolution using an Ageia PPU are false. For this particular case, my motto is "if it is false do not include it", otherwise we would have an extremely long article denying every rumour we have heard about. -- ReyBrujo 02:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen any rumours saying an Ageia PPU will be in the revolution (though no doubt they're out there if you look) - though there have been for a 'generic' PPU.HappyVR 19:18, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Physics Addition removed 

message: I removed this:
** Because of the 2 USB ports in the back, "practically any storage method can be used."
Again, this is what usb is for, I don't think it needs to me commented upon. (as a comparison Xbox 360 and PS3 articles mention usb ports with out any further explanation).HappyVR 18:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: usb

message: Removed this:"
Due to Microsoft buying out the games company called Rare (company), Microsoft have denied the use of the games Rare (company) previously produced."
a. Suggest not to include everything that is not supported.
b. No reference - is it actually true.
c. Inclusion is out of proportion with relevance. i.e. biased
HappyVR 19:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the sources I've seen refer to this  on IGN.  Then again, it's Matt Casamassina's blog and not an actual article. 68.226.61.4 06:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: rare video game company

message: I removed the picture of the shell controller because (as far as I know) it's just a mock up.
Also removed this:"  In the newest May issue of Game Informer, Ubisoft's rumored FPS is to be revealed, titled "Red Steel", but leaked scans of the issue can be found here:[].  A blog with the leaked scans can be found here:[].  The graphics in the scans shoot down the idea to many that the Nintendo Revolution is not a next-gen system."Rumours, leaks, etc - not in the article - suggest talk page first at least - and then maybe the rumour section...HappyVR 10:21, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It means that bump mapping has been around for a long time and is nothing to get excited about. Note that it used to say displacement mapping, but people keep changing it to bump mapping. Haakon 11:44, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, if the Revolution is relying on displacement mapping in order to achieve its next gen graphic effects, then it should be researched and the conclusions placed in this article. Since some fuffles keep changing it to "bump mapping", then a comment blurb inside the edit text itself would seem to be in order to prevent that. Daniel Davis 11:48, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The stuff originally came from something like this (09:53, 26 March 2006 or earlier)Nintendo has patents relating to hardware accelerated 'emboss bump mapping' http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&S1=%22emboss-style+bump+mapping%22&OS=%22emboss-style+bump+mapping%22&RS=%22emboss-style+bump+mapping%22  it is suggested that these patents could relate to hardware for the new Nintendo Revolution http://nintendo-revolution.blogspot.com/2005/12/is-displacement-mapping-last-secret.htmlI removed it because I thought it would prove unimportant - seeing as it's come back maybe I should change it back - the references for this rumour are there though anyway - but keep in mind that the patent does not say it is for the revolution - could easily be for a handheld (or nothing)HappyVR 12:10, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nintendo frequently holds onto patents for years without any significant production using them. For example, they had Gyration's gyroscopic technology patents since 2001, but have only just recently begun to create products using them. If we don't have specific evidence that the Revolution will be using this technique, it would be wise to err on the side of caution and postpone its inclusion in the article, would it not? Daniel Davis 12:17, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It just looks like an advert for 'Game Informer Magazine' - as does IGN's coverage http://uk.revolution.ign.com/articles/700/700748p1.html - which is what it is - the game is mentioned in 'list of nintendo revolution games' so that seems ok.HappyVR 21:56, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

text: We could do with some screenshots but I don't think these will be suitable.HappyVR 08:50, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, If you read the website, you'll see that they will release more info online on the 20th. So we'll hopefully get some proper screenshots then. :)--Codemonkey 12:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: removals

message: should pictures of Red Steel an upcoming Game with REAL game shots that were leaked be posted —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.213.160.193 (talk • contribs) .
: If they were leaked, there are probably copyright or trade secrets concerns that would prevent Wikipedia from including them. Haakon 20:55, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's illegal to post or link to the scans. GI/Ubi have been going around the web today making sure that people have to buy the mag to see them.  Look at the joystiq article where they explain why they took down the link. Seraphim 03:59, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even then, could they be posted without the magazine's permission? --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 17:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

text: *No, they could not. :-) -- Masamunecyrus(talk)(contribs)  17:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't think so, but apparently the editors over at Red Steel think otherwise.  :p --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 17:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I just checked Red Steel, and the only picture they have is of the magazine cover, which Game Informer posted on their website. They don't have any pictures of the actual scans. At least, they don't any more, if they did earlier. -- Masamunecyrus(talk)(contribs)  17:43, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, they were there yesterday.  Looks like someone got smart and removed them in light of all the legal threats Game Informer has been handing out. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 18:20, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed them from the Red Steel article and put them up for deletion for Copyright Issues.  I think this is the right thing to do. Zebov 20:04, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  should pictures of Red Steel an upcoming Game with REAL game shots that were leaked be posted 

message: I removed red steel by ubisoft from rumour section it's not a rumour right?
Also removed this big bit:*IGN.com claims to have received information from third-party game studios regarding the hardware specifications. Among their claims:
** The Broadway CPU runs at 729MHz according to Nintendo specifications.
** The Hollywood GPU runs at 243 MHz and is actually an integrated "system-on-a-chip" that includes "GPU, DSP, I/O bridge and 3MBs of texture memory."
** The system RAM is divided into 24MB of "main" 1T-SRAM and 64MB of "external" 1T-SRAM; access speed for both banks is the same.
** The console runs on an extension of the Gamecube Gekko CPU and Flipper GPU architectures.
The consensus among game journalists regarding the technical performance of the Revolution is that the Revolution will perform roughly equally to the original XBox, although one very reliable source estimates the Revolution's horsepower to be only slightly inferior to that of the XBox 360.
No major objection to all this but talk of consensus seems more suitable for talk page - maybe there should be separate 'bullets' for each contrary rumour - also what about the other reliable rumours eg 2.4GHz Power PC etc? PPU 32 MegHappyVR 19:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, sorry - removed too much - the main problem was the second para - thats gone now.HappyVR 09:19, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I did however want to make a point about the different rumour specs that have been released - less recent figures have contained dissimilar info. yet claim that their sources are reliable - the most recent rumour specs seem to be no more reliable on the surface - should older spec 'leaks' also be included?HappyVR 09:19, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, but the arstechnica speculation in rumours is nothing but speculation (assume/stated in actual article), despite its 'more serious' source. Perhaps this should be thought about.HappyVR 11:31, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: removals

message: Removed this from section games and developer support:"With the Revolution, Nintendo seeks to create games which appeal to everybody. This would include trying to impress the video game savvy, as proven by future launch titles  James Elliot, http://www.revolutionportal.com/1/article/82.html| title=A true crowd pleaser| author=James Elliot| publisher=Revolution Portal | April 13, 2006} Red Steel, a game where you assume the role of a Japanese yakuza member, as well as Sadness, a film noir type game in black and white."
Excluding the fact that there seems to be something wrong with the link (link misstyped or temporary problem?) - I just am trying to cut out these 'editorial' style additions - I don't see why the article should contain veiled links to this/last weeks latest news. - basically this edit seems to be the result of a web search for 'nintendo revolution news' for last few days. In terms of the overall picture it seems a bit insignificant?HappyVR 09:27, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another removal

message: My Idea is that we do not add anything else unless it is confirmed by the developer or Nintendo themselves. No more posting IGN specs or 'rumoured' things... Lets just wait 3 more weeks till E3. In the mean time I think we should clean up this page for the E3 info when it arrives. DivineShadow218 03:56, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree -  I think as it stands the article is good overall - with the possible exception of one or two parts of the rumour section - however we can't lock the article. In terms of a clean up I think this page suffers from 'too many references per real fact sybdrome' - about 33 references.HappyVR 11:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idea for Additions 

message: Removed this from rumour section:"There is speculation over the production name for the console, one of them is the the nintendo GO as seen in japan at nintendo HQ with a 3D D-pad as it's logo representing the 3rd dimenional gaming the console will be capable of."Nintendo Go was a video - the cubic cross was something else?????HappyVR 11:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: another removal

message: Removed this:"Much of this hardware may be more powerful than its similarly clocked PC counterpart because of that." (context is chips were designed from ground up)Probably true but...HappyVR 17:51, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal from cpu/gpu

message: This talk page is 81 kb and growing. Perhaps we should archive another page after all current discussions have been finished. -- Masamunecyrus(talk)(contribs)  18:49, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archival 

message: I'm sure this would be quite diffrent but bear with me.  When the system gets a final name should the article be renamed as such?  I'm suggesting (and expecting to get little or no approval) that this article is kept as such, and the final name be created as a second page.
The Revolution (under my thought process - I'm more then open to suggestions) article would retain all infomation that has to do with the system before it's is/was released, while the article with the final name would contain all final infomation.
To simply rename (and over time) lose so much infomation because it's not "current" seems like such a loss.  To lose so much infomation because it's too long also seems like a waste.  To create a second article instead of renaming this one would circumvent some rules that otherwise are good, but would...  for lack of a better word...  destroy all the infomation about Revolution.
I think recording what people thought at one time is sometimes just as importent as what would become reality.  Is this one of those times?  Maybe.  Maybe not.--Anthony 11:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is what page moves are for.  As long as no one tries a copy-and-paste move nothing will be lost.  Earlier when there was a rumor about Nintendo Go being the new title someone tried a copy-and-paste move.  That was quickly reverted and now the Nintendo Go article redirects to Nintendo Revolution. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 12:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I think yes it's a great idea - not sure how it will go in practice - not sure how keeping a page as a historical archive would go down - could have a page that links to the revolution edit list (set to a certain date/specific edit).And I certainly think it would be interesting to be able to compare past speculation when the thing is finally released.
HappyVR 16:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this though... We move this intire page to lets say Nintendo (final name here) - Pre-E3 2006 and have a link to it from the confermed info of E3. Or is Archiving it easier?DivineShadow218 21:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Like I said, there's no need for archiving or any of that.  Once the final name is revealed then this article merely needs to be moved using the Wikipedia's move function (NOT copy-and-paste) and the entire page history will be moved along with it. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 12:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you TheKog.--Anthony 20:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't get why everyone wants to do anything after E3.  Sure we will know the name of the system - But it will still be 5 months away before any consumer gets their hands on it, and only shortly before that that the media will get their hands on it.  Until the very last minute there are still going to be rumors and infomation.  To me "Nintendo Revolution" is the name before the system hits the shelf.  The name after people can buy it is whatever Nintendo says it will be at E3.--Anthony 23:01, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  A name is merely a word that we use to reference a physical item.  After the official name of the console is announced at E3, people will not refer to the console as Revolution, it will be referred to by its official name.  Likewise, after the official name is announced, the article should be updated appropriately, perhaps leaving a sentence or so saying the console was codenamed Revolution.  After E3, there is no "Revolution" (well, unless they happen to pull the 'ha, the code name is the official name' trick) anymore, it will be confidential information blacked out.  The article should be moved appropriately post-E3 and "Nintendo Revolution" should point to the article's new location. Zebov 23:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This user is 100% right. Most likely once Nintendo officially announces the name the page will be moved in a matter of minutes. Jedi6-(need help?) 00:53, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also when people search for this console on Wikipedia they will be looking for Nintendo "Whatever Nintendo decides to name it" and not Revolution anymore. Jedi6-(need help?) 00:56, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: About not listening to a website... You have to make an aception to the Nintendo Website and that is it. If it is on the Nintendo Site, then it has to be offical DivineShadow218 22:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't see why we have to get rid of all the prior information. Just make a section for History and/or Rumours, and move things there as they are outdated. Seahen 22:15, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename Article? 

message: "While Rareware Titles are with out a doubt among the biggest titles for Nintendo they will not appear in the Revolution's Virtual Console lineup."
Not necessarily! I would perfer Earthbound or LoZ or SMB. This seems a little biased, I will change it to
"Rareware Titles will not appear in the Revolution's Virtual Console lineup."
http://www.dsrevolution.com/article.php?articleid=1030
im not too good at editing wikipedia, but this is a pretty major thing, someone should add it in the artical.
::Except they are "with out a doubt among the biggest titles for Nintendo".  If nothing else sales prove this.--Anthony 02:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased