Talk:Sidi Ould Cheikh Abdallahi

message: This part seems to be in all but two guys at :Category:Mauritanian politicians, is it a title like 'sir', is there a whole lot of nepotism going on, or is it a west african version of the al- or el- in Arabic? Chris 07:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Ould means "son of" in the form of Arabic spoken there. --Cam 23:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: Sidi is a masculine title of respect in Western Arabic. Unless it is part of his given name, we really need to remove it and revert to name only as per WP:MOS about honorifics-Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom doesn't have her queenly title, and Akihito isn't referred to imperially in his namespace. Chris 07:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right.  The same it true for cheikh.  The article should be renamed to Mohamed Abdallahi.--71.108.23.100 (talk) 20:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. Debresser (talk) 10:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Moved back. As per discussion below. Which was quite conclusive. Read it and learn. Like I did. Debresser (talk) 14:33, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sidi

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I don't mind most of the rewriting, and adding additional information is always good (if relevant and sourced), but I didn't understand the removal of the following sentence "Abdallahi was accused of engaging in corruption while serving in this post and was imprisoned". The source was mentioned in the article under the name .
Additional sources for this information are , ,  and . We should have this according to Wikipedia policy. Debresser (talk) 11:14, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Debresser - here is the problem that I have with the corruption piece:  Sidi Mohamed was never charged with corruption.  Most recently, the General (who led the coup d'etat, Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz) tried repeatedly after the coup to force the Mauritanian judicial body to lodge charges against the President (Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi, his wife and his adult male children); however, 1) the "charges" were only in the media and he was categorically unable to substantiate them and 2)  faced with failure on this front - i.e. his inability to find any behavior that would allow him to substantiate charges, General Abdel Aziz removed President Ould Cheikh Abdallahi to his village (Lemden) under house arrest (the Mauritanian form of jail for high ranking officials).  A similar situation occurred under the Dictator Ould Taya when Sidi Mohamed refused to cave into special business interests that were focussed on lining their pockets by overselling Mauritanian fishing interests to Europeans, particularly the French - a situation about which Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi "blew the whistle".  Once again, as with the naming protocol (see below) it is difficult to properly convey what is truly happening in Mauritania in short order because of the complexity of the situation and the tendency of the Mauritanians to use the media to "lodge" unofficial charges when they can't make official charges stick.  Most western writers do not take the time to understand this complexity and they report what they read in the French language press often managed by the dictator of the day. So reporting that a mutineer "charged" the President with corruption is both incorrect and potentially libelous.  Just because it showed up in the Mauritanian press does not make it so.  That an illegal junta government attempts to put the legitimate president on trial for corruption is rather transparent, in my opinion, and once again, as time has proven, these trumped up charges were just that.  No trial ever took place, indeed, no further action has occurred other than of course General Ould Abdel Aziz sent the President to his home village (and out of Nouakchott, the capital city).  YET the Wikipedia article continues to say that President Ould Cheikh Abdallahi was charged and would be put on trial AND it is "documented" by an article which is unavailable (the link is no longer there - see reference #38) which gives the casual reader a picture of a President deposed as a result of corruption - when in fact, President Sidi Mohamed Ould Cheikh Abdallahi is the first freely elected president of this West African nation (so certified by international election observers).  He has led an exemplary career based on his integrity, transparency and fair dealing. This does not impress me as a NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW at all.Thunder2009 (talk) 12:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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