Talk:Bashkirs

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message: I have put also "Bashkort" as the name. "Bashkir" is a Russian word to call Bashkort. This people say "Bashkort", when  talking to each other.Maybe when talking to Russians, they will say "Bashkir". If a Bashkort say "Bashkir" to another Bashkort, he is  called "Mankurt" (russian wannabe) --Ramil MC 15:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The correct form will be Bashqort, not Bashkort. At the second, Bashkir is a form, traditional for English language. The usage of Bashkir does not depend of Bashkir's bein mañqort. I hope you are not mañqort. :) But it doesn't mean you should change English spelling --Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also:ә? Ә!) 22:46, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bashkort is correct 

message: whats the nonsense here?? --fz22 (talk) 06:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bashkirs Hungarians relations 

message: According to most sources Bashkirs were Maygars who under influences of their Turki neighbours began speaking their present language. But when the switch of languuage took place ? Kaşgarlı Mahmut (1005-1102) lists them as Turk. But Giovanni da Pian del Carpine (1180-1252) notes 
that they speak Hungarian. Isn't there a contradiction ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language  

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message: maybe it means bozkurt. (Grey Wolves, a Turkish far-right wing organisation) maybe the legend of bozkurt and Bashkirs are the same? what you think? (i dont like the bozkurts, just saying) 88.64.182.125 (talk) 02:55, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  meaning 

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message: Why is the spread of haplogroup r1b associated with the Bashkirs Andronovo culture?
For example, the Bashkir tribe Burzyan, in the settlement of which is common to the M269, natives of Turkmenistan (they left it in the opinion of Bashkir scientists in the 8-9 century). And when you consider that about 2,000 years ago, there (in Turkmenistan) moved soldiers who served in the Roman legion Marcus Licinius Crassus, you are left with no doubt that the Bashkirs are descendants of the Romans :)   Bikkulov (talk) 14:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnogenesis 

message: The article states that they are some sort of "Turkic" people, but the language is from Ugro-Finnish family. However, the genetic map of Bashkirs tells entirely different story. R1a is the most dominant and prevalent genetic group, distantly followed by R1b. Both are Slavic genes making up 95% of total population, so there could be a couple of possible scenarios here that had developed during the millennia: There may have been Turkic or Persian tribes migrating to the area under the name Bashkirs. The nomenclature "Turkic languages" in itself is wrong as all languages and dialects in that group actually belong to the Persian languages family. Turkish itself has strong roots in Pashtun and Farsi. However, at some point The Bashkirs and Slavs had met and occupied the same territory. It is fairly typical for Slavic tribes to settle in an area and accept the local names, like Slavs in Macedonia and Bulgaria, or in Denmark, for example. However their assimilation normally stops there. They preserve the identity through the customs and the family names, even if they are forcefully converted to another religion. I would haphazard a hypothesis that in the beginning some tribes of Ugro-Finnish may have settled in the area around Slavs. From the early days Slavic and Scandinavian interaction was intensive and long-lasting. It is not out of place to have a few Nordic tribes moving down to South during the Vikings' period in Russian history. When the Turks came, they named them Bashqor and forcefully converted them to muslim religion, as was their practice during their invasion of Europe. However majority of people in the area were Slavs, and we can see that clearly in the ending of seemingly muslim surnames: Rakhimov, Rasulev, Ismailov, Zairpov for example. The ending of these surnames is unmistakably Slavic. The sufixes "ev" and "ov" mean "of". For example Murtaza Rakhim-OV means Murtaza (son) OF Rakhim. That is something very specific and typical of Slavic surnames. It is typical for Russian, Bulgarian and Slavic Macedonian surnames, and to a lesser extent among southern Croats, especially in the area between Croatia and Bosnia. Coupled with genetic image of the people and we can see very neatly that these cannot possibly be neither Turkish nor Ugro-Finnish people. In fact, the Turkish gene is completely absent and Ugro-Finnish native y-chromosome N is just a tad better at 2.3%. Bashkirs are Slavs with a small percentage of Western Slavs, probably from Finland, hence the confusion about the Ugro-Finnish origins, and/or turkic language. Ugro-Finnish languages too belong to a sub-group of Turkic family of languages (Hungarian much more than Finnish).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.117.102.60 (talk) 12:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: horseshoes. Bashkirs are not Slavs, their language is turkic without any doubt and turkic is in no way related to Finnish, nor Hungarian. Whatever book you have been reading was a very bad book. --El bes (talk) 23:34, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bashkirs' origins 

message: I don't know how accurate the beekeeping theory is, but for what it's worth, here's an earlier source:
http://elib.shpl.ru/ru/nodes/27-vol-i-1803#page/31/mode/inspect/zoom/4  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.70.245.41 (talk) 20:23, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnonym 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I think that adding Eastern Orthodox Christianit to the infobox was deliberate distortion of information. The information was added without any sources. Joshua Project is not reliable source, that was confirmed by the administrator. The absolute majority of sources indicates the predominance of Islam among the Bashkirs, almost nothing is mentioned about Christianity. Some sources talk about small group of Nagaibaks, but it's a moot point, because Nagaibaks are part of Volga Tatars. I think that it is necessary to remove this false information from infobox. --Rg102 13:44, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion in the infobox 

message: This source has a rough estimate. The sum of the values in the table is not 100% (!) 1+25+11+43+1+6+2+1+1+1+1+1=94. I think it is unreliable source and wrong information. --Rg102 09:02, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sreda" source in Religion section 

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message: The cited sources and theories are more than ethnonym-only content in my opinion. --Wario-Man (talk) 18:26, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we rename "Ethnonym" to "Ethnonym and origins"? 

message: Published online 2017 Dec 28
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**Between Lake Baikal and the Baltic Sea: genomic history of the gateway to Europe
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**"We detected unusually high amount of shared identical-by-descent (IBD) genomic segments between several Siberian populations, such as Khanty and Ket, providing evidence of genetic relatedness across vast geographic distances and between speakers of different language families. Additionally, we observed excessive IBD sharing between Khanty and Bashkir, a group of Turkic speakers from Southern Urals region. While adding some weight to the “Finno-Ugric” origin of Bashkir, our studies highlighted that the Bashkir genepool lacks the main “core”, being a multi-layered amalgamation of Turkic, Ugric, Finnish and Indo-European contributions, which points at intricacy of genetic interface between Turkic and Uralic populations. Comparison of the genetic structure of Siberian ethnicities and the geography of the region they inhabit point at existence of the “Great Siberian Vortex” directing genetic exchanges in populations across the Siberian part of Asia."
**"As a standalone approach, an analysis of shared IBD is not sufficient to support the Finno-Ugric hypothesis of Bashkir origin as a sole source, while pointing at temporal separation of genetic components in Bashkir. Hence, we demonstrated that Bashkir genepool is a multifaceted, multicomponent system, lacking the main “core”; it is an amalgamation of Turkic, Ugric, Finnish and Indo-European contributions. In this mosaic, it is impossible to identify the leading element. Therefore, Bashkir are the most genetically diverse ethnic group of the Volga-Urals region." --Wario-Man (talk) 07:44, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetics: New study 

message: I will not change the language content or the facts, nor alter any dates, it just does not read well. If some wording is swapped around and some sentences made a little clearer, perhaps shorter, it will be a much easier article to read. I hope the edit is satisfactory Pickypedian (talk) 18:22, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tidy up of language for clarity and ease of reading 

message: Krakkos restored sock edits of banned sockpuppet Әхмәт улы of the Long-term abuser Tirgil34.
# Sock edit 1 consists of the Andronovo fringe theory, >originally made up< by the banned sock Әхмәт улы.
# Sock edit 2 is about the use of Russian pseudo-sources "Европейско-Азиатские" and "Марина Шумилова", >originally made up< by the banned sock Әхмәт улы in the banned sock article Bashkardi people (recreated by MarkZusab • original page was hard deleted from the server, see the Web.archieve link ).
Confirmed in Tirgil34 Sockpuppet investigation. Compare Wario-Man's edit where he correctly identified Әхмәт улы's leftover from Bashkardi people. —2.247.251.202 (talk) 23:53, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sock leftovers of Tirgil34 sock Әхмәт улы 

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