Talk:Romanian language/Archive 2

message: If anyone can decipher "spoken in the skatae's of Prodromos and Lacu" in the article, could you please clarify? -- Jmabel 05:01, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)
:It was actually a typo in skatae. It's sketae (being a plural, no need of an ending s). A sketa is a community of monks, and apparently two of these communities, Prodromos and Lacu also speak Romanian. Found some background information here (RO) Defrenrokorit 14:04, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  skatae. etc. 

message: I notice that unlike some other languages we have no discussion of (or separate article on) the range of word origins in the language. I always find this kind of thing rather fun, but for Romanian, I'm not too knowledgable. Does anyone know (1) the approximate percentages of Latin, Slavic, and other roots in modern Romanian? How many of the Latin words got there in time immemorial and how many in borrowings from French?
I'll admit that the languages from which only a few words creep into common use border on trivia, but I for one find it fascinating trivia.
This crossed my mind because I had occasion the other day to hear the Arabic word for orange and it is very close to the Romanian portocale, which I would guess (but don't know) comes from the Arabic... or maybe both from a third language? 
Anyway, as I say, for Romanian, I'm not too knowledgable on this sort of thing, but I'd be intrigued. -- Jmabel 00:24, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC)
: Here's an estimation:  --Vasile 12:48, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hard to estimate, but I think there are about (just guessing):
* 2000 of Latin inherited words (most of the common used words like casa, frate, familie, etc) -- many of these words have internal derivatives (such as "a (se) casatori = to marry")
* 3000 Slavic words (many of them obsolete)
* 700 Turkic (many of them obsolete)
* 400 Dacian (with direct Albanian cognate; many common words, like copil, a baga, a scoate, etcc) 
* 200 Greek words (both from ancient and modern Greek)
* 200 Balkanic (probably Thracian, Illyrian, Turkic Bulgarian or other sources -- most of them are in common with the South Slavs, especially with Bulgarian)
* a lot of other words of uncertain origin
Some words are even of Latin origin, but borrowed from the Slavs, such as:
* rom. cufa~r (coffer) <- sl. <- lat. cophinus 
* rom. oţet (vinegar) <- sl. <-lat. acetus
Regarding to the quantity, if you take a random (old or new) text and count the words of Latin origin, you'd get more than 70%.
For example, in the poetry of Eminescu:
                  Vocabulary      Usage
 1. latin inherited:  48,68%      83,00%
 2. slavic            16,81%       6,93%
 3. french            11,97%       2,52%
 4. latin literary     3,41%       1,13%
 5. hungarian          1,63%       0,84%
 6. neogreek           1,33%       0,29%
 7. turkish            1,20%       0,28%
Bogdan | Talk 13:22, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: A few are from German (such as "şurub" = screw) and Italian (such as "barca" = boat), but probably most of those left are probably from the substrate (Dacian). Bogdan | Talk 17:58, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Word origins

message: The Romanian section of Romance copula needs some attention.
If you can describe how the verb "to be" works, go to it! Chameleon 22:58, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assistance 

message: Many Romanian words assumed to derive from Slavic are not definitely derived from Slavic, but in fact derive from native Dacian (and a few from Gothic). Decius
: I am not sure what words are you talking about. If it's "stăpân", "jupân", etc., they are still under dispute. Bogdan | Talk 12:44, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology needs Revision

message: In the examples of loanwords, where the original foreign-language word is not identical, it would be nice to have the original word as well. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:45, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)
: Done :-) Bogdan | Talk 21:01, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  loanwords 

message: Why remove the capitals on the German nouns? Aren't German nouns always capitalized? -- Jmabel | Talk 09:26, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
Though the Romanian word is probably from German, the German word Bier is from Latin Bibere, as stated in linguistic references. See also Beer. Decius 08:15, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  German nouns 

message: : "archaisms" -> "less used today"
I don't see the point of this change. bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 22:03, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ..."Da" meaning "yes" is obviously a Slavic borrowing...
Already mentioned in the following paragraph. bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 22:03, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: Besides vocabulary, however, there are strong Slavonic influences, both on the phonetic level and on the grammatical level that set the language apart from its cousins in Western Europe
Not true. There is little to no influence on the phonetic level. The phonemes that set appart Romanian from Italian such as "î/â" and "ă" were developed before the Slavic contact.
The only important influence on the Romanian grammar since the split from Western Romance is the Balkan linguistic union, and most of those features are not of Slavic origin. bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 22:03, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anonymous (209.147.192.47) edits