Talk:Kneeling chair

message: The main section looks derived from http://www.kneechair.org/, supporting the claim that it's written like an advertisement.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.214.135.250 (talk) 07:47, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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message: Wenttomowameadow suggested that I post proposed alternative content on a separate page for others to evaluate. 
I would like to do so but would first appreciate an opportunity to discuss the basis for my concerns about the current  page - and how we might resolve these issues.  
#The page only lists a small number of studies and does not list the most important of these. 
#The page lists each of the studies it names as equivalent - which is absurd, since many of the studies are completely confounded, overly limited or irrelevant.
#The page greatly misrepresents the research.  One reason for this is that it only focuses on a single issue (namely lumbar lordosis of the spine) and neglecting all other issues - such as for example the loads on the knees topic I wrote, which was deleted.For example, when I previously added a section about the controversy regarding loads on the knees - and provided either the medline links to the associated abstracts, or links to the downloadable pdfs (for hard to find or unpublished papers), that entire section was deleted outright as spam, even though I made clear that I was perfectly willing to transfer content i had on my own website at this link  to the Wikipedia page.  (I have no concerns about whether the content is on my website or Wikipedias, as long as the content I contribute is not unfairly hacked to pieces.)
#The page fails to distinguish between the original Balans chair and generic "kneeling chairs".  Wenttomowameadow  went so far as to reject the concept of a companion page that is specific to the Balans chair.  This is important for several reasons:
##The Balans chair is a patented design concept that is based on extensive research.  Manufacturers of the Balans chair must conform to the inventors' strict criteria.  Kneeling chairs on the other hand are not at all subject to this stricture.  
##With only a couple of exceptions, the scientific research on kneeling chairs has used the Balans chair - which may be quite different than other kneeling chairs.  This is an important distinction that is being shut out by rejecting the Balans page and forwarding it to the kneeling page.
::As far as I can tell, the above was added by Rani Lueder  20:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about the parameters of the page

message: [Transcript of the kneeling chair chat to this point between Rani Lueder and Wenttomowameadow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rani_Lueder/Kneeling_chair]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rani Lueder (talk • contribs) 21:19, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: The active conversation is at User talk: Rani Lueder#Kneeling Chair. Wenttomowameadow (talk) 21:39, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

text: The odds are mindbogglingly low that those papers you scanned are free of copyright! --Orange Mike  |  Talk 00:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion of content 

message: Requested photograph added.   — Lee J Haywood 22:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Edward 01:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph 

message: If possible, could someone add a picture of this being used? I completely failed to visualize how this type of chair is used, so I think a supplementary or replacement picture of this being used would contribute to the value of this article.
205.201.254.71 (talk) 15:39, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph of use 

message: It says that the only function of the kneeling part is to prevent falling out. I think this is false. The function is to divide the weight between the knees and the buttocks so that the buttocks doesn't take the brunt of all the force. 
In sitting, if the butt is supporting all that weight there is bound to be back pain for many. You therefore have to divide the weight, which can be done by elbow support, supporting your body with the elbows on the table, leaning your torso on the table, etc. Diving the weight to the knees seems to be good idea too, though I have never tried one of these chairs yet.
Kneeli (talk) 05:57, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: i disagree with this article

message: "However, it is not proven that kneeling chairs are an optimal solution.[citation needed]"
If it is proven, then supply evidence. It is illogical to ask for a citation that something has not been proven.
69.173.110.244 (talk) 21:46, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why citation needed after "it is not proven"...? 

message: This article was reading like an advertisement with irrelevant info about Buddhists and too many name checks including brand names. I have thus removed some info from the history section which is need of expansion or removal.
I have also marked the article as needing more medical references since it makes multiple medical claims yet I'm not sure that there is one single source in there that complies with WP:MEDRS. Generally the quality of references appear quite bad as well, with many references in foreign languages (not ideal as of WP:V, one reference that I removed to a personal blog, etc.Levelledout (talk) 21:58, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertising and References 

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message: >concluded that their experimental data “do not support the manufacturer’s claim that the Balans chair is likely to decrease complaints of [lower-back pain]”\
Misleading at worst, irrelevant at best. Judging from the abstract, this study has nothing to say about effects on lower back pain. It was a tiny study run on a small set of healthy subjects after a mere thirty minutes of use. These people would have been unlikely to report any back pain one way or the other in either case, even if they'd been sitting on, like, the worst chair ever.
Also, I don't know how many people ever expected a chair like this to have an immediate effect on their back pain? Asking after 30 minutes seems really really silly to me. I'd expect it to take weeks of daily use before we could measure its effects. Even if it were only preventative it would still be a useful innovation.
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