Talk:Faye Wong/Archive 1

message: Is she really better known in the west for a video game theme song (admittedly FF) than for Chungking Express? I think we should at least change that line to "her best known song is the west is..." Nateji77 00:16, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, as much as I don't listen to it much anymore, it is one of her most popular international songs. This song in particular is especially popular amongst non-Asians. The majority of them just know Faye for this song only. A shame really, but unfortunately it definitely has some truth behind it. Jason Gervais 00:27, 06 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Claim to fame in the west

message: just curious if anyone can tell me... does Faye know Japanese??? 
got a music but am not sure if she sang it.
thx!
: No she doesn't, despite the fact that she starred in one Japanese TV show and recorded two studio tracks in Japanese, Seperate Ways for the show and later Valentine's Radio to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the Japanese diva Yumi Matsutoya's music career.--Wooddoo-eng 18:45, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: She also recorded a version of "Chanel" in Japanese.Boarry 06:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: There is another song she did in Japanese called "Destiny", which is featured on a compilation disc called "Enchanting Kaler". It's a disc (of three in total) that feature music from her teenager years before the release of her first official album "Shirley Wong". Jason Gervais 12:08, 05 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  stupid question 

message: Before Mystery and Sky gained more of her popularity in 1994, was she famous in the Mandarin market like mainland China and Taiwan for writing a few Mandarin songs entitled "No Regrets" and "Tempted Heart" or something else that made her well-known in those areas way before 1994?--Gh87 01:24, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably the song "Fragile Woman" (also translated as "Easily Hurt Woman") you're talking about. Released on her Coming Home album. Jason Gervais 00:23, 06 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maybe famous in [[Mandarin]] market before [[1994]] 

message: I was reading the last Other section in the article. It says "Her eyeglasses prescription is 400 degrees." -- notwithstanding that I don't think this is very relevant... how on Earth can a prescription be 400 degrees? It doesn't make mathematical sense, since angles wrap around from 360 degrees back to 0. I assume the person meant 40 degrees and it's a typo?
:400° prescription is a Chinglish way to say her lens prescription is spherical -4.00 diopter correction.  :-)  Anyone one who has astigmatism also knows that the eyeglass prescription has an cylindrical axis orientation that is expressed in degrees that cannot exceed 360° in a full circle.  The reference to 400 degree is just an Chinglish translation of 400 whatever unit that is corresponding to the -4.00 diopter in the prescription.  Kowloonese 01:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  eyeglass prescription? 

message: Here's a copy of the Trivia section as at 14 March 2007, before it gets dispersed or deleted from the article. 
Name
She has performed under many different stage names:
*Miss Charm (One of her stage names before 1989)
Her name was changed to 王靖雯 early in her career:
*Shirley Wong (English name)
*Wong Ching-Man (This is the Cantonese pronunciation of her Chinese name)
*Jing-Man Wong (Another way of spelling her Chinese name in Cantonese pronunciation)
*Jingwen Wang (This is the Mandarin pronunciation of her Chinese name)
*Jing-Wen Wang (Another way of spelling her Chinese name in Mandarin pronunciation)
Her name was changed back to 王菲 later in her career: 
*Faye Wong (English name with Cantonese pronunciation last name)
*Faye Wang (English name with Mandarin pronunciation last name)
*Wong Fei  (This is the Cantonese pronunciation of her Chinese name)
*Wang Fei (This is the Mandarin pronunciation of her Chinese name)
*Wong Faye (Another way of saying Faye Wong)
Other Languages
*Wang Bi (Korean form of Faye Wong)
*Vương Phi (Vietnamese form of Faye Wong)
Other
*"Kisses in the Wind", from her Coming Home album, is her personal favourite song.  VeryCD.com (in Chinese).    Josh's Faye Wong Biography Page   This is also stated in the sleeve notes of the 2003 re-issue of her 1985 album, Enchanting Kaler.  However, in her 1998 interview on CNN, she declined to name one favourite song, saying that there were several that she liked. 
*She usually wears a red string around her right hand. She is a Buddhist, and the red string symbolizes Buddhism.
*Her favorite artists include The Cranberries, Cocteau Twins, Sinead O'Connor, and The Sundays.
*Teresa Teng is one of her idols. A duet was planned for the 1995 cover album, but Teng could not be reached in time.  Xiaobao Chen, ex-Universal Records Hong Kong CEO (in Chinese), 前環球總裁披露王菲舊事 與鄧麗君難了合唱緣  
*During her career she has sung in Mandarin, Cantonese, Japanese, French and English.
*Her eyeglasses prescription is 400 degrees.  Josh's Faye Wong Biography Page 
*The term "Fayenatics" was derived from a popular Internet fan mailing list back in 1997. Some members of the mailing list recorded a double disc album called Fayenatics - The Album. In a CNN interview the following year, she mentioned that she had received a copy of this album.
References
:I suppose the name trivia can go. Maybe we could include the first "other" trivia (with her personal favorite song) within the article which mentions about "Coming Home". The rest I don't think are necessary. Jason Gervais 20:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: I think we ought to have a standardized reference section, for example see Madonna's page Lasersharp 06:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, let's do it.  I'll be happy to help.  Do you have another source for the world record?  Guinness World Records have changed their site, and it now features only a selection of the 40,000 records in the Guinness World Records database -- not including Cantopop.  I guess we can still refer to them as the source, stating the date you checked it (June 2006), without a link.   Fayenatic london 20:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, that's done.  Now we can add more references to the article when we find reliable sources.  Fayenatic london 14:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: looking good, thanks for your time!Lasersharp 03:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like the third one, where it says Faye quits for love. There is no solid proof she quit or anything. She's on a break from singing for awhile, I believe. Maybe it should be reworded? Jason Gervais 18:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The text of the Wikipedia article is correct, "her manager confirmed that she might retire".  The reference text is a direct quote of the headline given at the source page, which I think is normal practice for citations.  However, you have a point, so I've moved the quote marks to indicate that "to quit" is part of a news headline rather than a fact.   Fayenatic london 13:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: - Rejoice with me, I found a copy of the old Guinness World Records page at the Internet Archive!  I'd never even heard of that site before, but read about it on Wikipedia while trying to research whether we can post links to YouTube. I didn't reach a conclusion on that.  I noticed that someone has just added a YouTube link to Madonna on Letterman so let's see if that is allowed to remain.  Fayenatic london 14:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: - Well, all four Youtube links have just been deleted from the article I just mentioned, citing copyright violations, so I guess we should not link to YouTube videos in our Refs.  However, I don't see why we couldn't give some search criteria that help to locate relevant evidence on YouTube.  Fayenatic london 21:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello? I posted the last comment almost a month ago. Jason Gervais 23:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've left it there so far as it includes some info I haven't seen on other pages, e.g. a longer list of Faye's favourite artists including Whitney Houston and Zhang Ya Dong (張亞東). If we can find another source for these that appears to be more original/reliable, then let's include that and drop VeryCD. Fayenatic london 10:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Are we ready to remove the tags on the top of the article or should more work be done to clean things up? I just finished cleaning up the intro to be more neutral Lasersharp 22:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there are only 10 references so far, and a lot of unsourced claims that can't be verified from CD sleeve notes.  I think we should give much more evidence.  If anyone needs to check the pattern for the Ref format that is now used in the article, click on the References section, as it is documented there.  We should also add an "External Links" section.  Fayenatic london 22:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added some references, but forgot to adhere to the reference format rules. I will correct it when I have some more time. Lasersharp 04:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tag Removal

message: I suggest copy+pasting them here so we can all look for them? Lasersharp 01:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The three sources for this statement describe her wide appeal during the last 15 years. I guess I could've reworded it to be "one of the most..." although neither Ms. Teng or Ms. Mui wrote their own music. I'd like to hear what people suggest here. Lasersharp 23:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement really is very specific. It suggests that Faye Wong is pretty much the most popular singer above all singers in recent Chinese music with no exceptions and that this is a common belief within the industry. I think alot of Faye fans would probably agree with such a statement, but this is like saying "The Shining" is the greatest movie ever and would everyone agree? No. Faye was and still is very popular in the industry, but such a statement suggests that nobody has successfully competed with her. I'm not sure about album sales, but I'm sure when her albums released she had some sort of competition with other artists. Anyway, I think it should be changed to add "one of the most..." Jason Gervais 23:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Statements that still need to be sourced

message: I didn't realize there was a Wikipedia style guide that says not to use Chinese characters if there is an article about the subject that already includes characters. Where is this style guide? That would certainly be something I should familiarize myself with...
: I am a strong proponent of adding native text to article when it helps disambiguate transliteration differences.  I spent most of my early wikipedian days mainly adding native text to title term of articles.  On the opposite, I also dislike having unnecessary native text imbedded in the articles because it disrupts the flow of reading.  I wrote more of my opinion on this matter on my user page.  I am also interested in a link to the style guide if any.  Kowloonese 22:16, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
: The style guide is at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (China-related articles), and the first section "Insertion of Chinese characters" mentions the guideline. -- Curps 23:33, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese characters

message: As you can see, that section was tagged. We should discuss on what links should stay and which should be removed. Links which helped create the article should remain while the others should be removed.  Jason Gervais 09:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They should all stay, I used all of them for information on the artist. I don't understand the tag at all. Lasersharp 18:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I didn't tag it. I figured they all pertained to the article and just wanted to make sure. If there is nothing else to add, then I guess we should remove the tag. Jason Gervais 20:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

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I'm failing this article for GA status.  Here are some things to fix before nominating again.  References go immediately after the punctuation mark (Hi.foo instead of Hi. bar).  Don't link lone years.  There are huge sections of uncited text.  The image in the infobox is replaceable and should be moved to an appropriate section or deleted all together.  All of the copyrighted images need detailed fair use rationales.  Trivia sections are bad.  There doesn't appear to be any reason to need to know her eyeglass prescription; move any relevant information to the appropriate place and delete the rest.  ShadowHalo 22:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA

message: Maybe we should consider cleaning up the talkpage alittle bit? Not sure how cleaning up talk pages work out, but I guess they are archived or something? I just think this page is getting alittle crowded. Jason Gervais 20:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. Easily done - just add /Archive_01 (or whatever) at the end of the URL to create a subpage.  I've moved what I judged to be completed discussions to Talk:Faye_Wong/Archive_01 and made a link to it at the top of this page. - Fayenatic london (talk) 01:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Talkpage Cleanup?

message: I'd like the community to help us list the parts of this article that still need to be sourced, in order to increase its verifibility. Lasersharp 17:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this is old, but ... in China, women don't have "maiden names". Women don't change their names when they get married. And the child usually but not always takes the father's family name but even this is not universal. Sometimes one partner is famous and the other not, sometimes the dad of the mother says, "You can marry but we are the last Tongs, so any child has to have our family name", sometimes who knows. But there is no universal rule and no stigma attached to a family's choice. Making this into a Communist Party-baiting exercise is irrational and NPOV. Since there are many Wangs in China (in the millions, it is one of the most common surnames), changing the family name to "escape persecution" seems far-fetched to me. Real far-fetched. In fact, more like some "we hate them commnists" John Birch-inspired fantasy. Unless her mom personally said that on tape, it's most likely hogswash.210.22.142.82 (talk) 02:50, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

text: It was also quoted on the fan site wongfaye.org but I have not found out where it was from, so I agree with your removing it today. – Fayenatic London 22:39, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What parts still need sources/references? 

message: It's not made clear in the article how someone from Beijing could learn to speak Cantonese well enough to sing in it.  It's not an easy language for non-Cantonese people to learn. Is it because her parents are Cantonese speakers?  Badagnani 04:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, just from years of living in HK. Timmyshin (talk) 17:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  How did she learn Cantonese? 

message: I thought for certain that there was some guideline or policy specifically against including fansites in the "External links" section, but I couldn't find any.  I left a note at the Talk page of Wikipedia:External links to ask if anybody can point to any relevant guideline or policy, or if fansites are actually allowed.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replied there - more contributions welcome. The discussion there is instructive. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alot of these sites were used as references to the content in this article. As to what was used for what I don't know, but I'm pretty sure someone posted those particular details before somewhere. Jason Gervais 21:17, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alas, I fear not. Anyway, here's an updated link to the archived discussion on the External Links talk page. - Fayenatic (talk) 20:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fansites 

message: A reference for PETA and vegetarianism here for those who need it. Benjwong (talk) 22:25, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: PETA

message: I think it's time to call for a wiki photo of Faye...lets see if we can get a more recent one on wiki commons. I think fan photos of her recent trip to Tibet would work really well. The current one is a few years dated and in my opinion, it does not nearly do her justice. Lasersharp (talk) 18:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as they're CC-BY or CC-BY-SA, I think they should be fine. Pandacomics (talk) 00:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Time for a New Picture?

message: The personal life section, however sourced, is massive POV with words like "bitter divorce" etc. Absolutely non-Wikipedia standard. 小龙 (Timish) #   xiǎolóng de xìnxiāng  20:05, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: that part of the Article is that much non wikipedia standard that it would require complete rewrite from scratch :-) --Dwarfpower (talk) 20:20, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: I plan on revising the article in the next few weeks. There are some good sections but most of it is bad and all over the place.
Some major goals:
* References, sources etc.
* Deleting unnecessary details. The article is too long.
* Neutrality.
* Many of the specifics (such as which songs in XXX album she liked) can be either deleted or moved to the page of the album.
* Possibly combining the "love life" section with the main "career and life" section, seeing that's how it's done for many artists.
* Reducing the "personal" section, expanding and reorganizing the "influences" section.
Yinweiaiqing (talk) 14:30, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision 

message: I think it would be worth mentioning more about the collaboration with the band Cocteau Twins, particularly the fact that the singer, Liz Fraser, does not sing in a particular language (or sings in a mixture of English and glossolalia).  This meant the 'creation' of original lyrics by Faye and her writers/composers to mimic the sounds of Liz's vocals.  It's a fascinating experiment in linguistics that deserves more attention.
Didier Olmstead (talk) 15:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collaboration with Cocteau Twins 

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message: Right now the page has a lot of "-our"s and "-ise"s, but the spelling "symbolizes" appears once, and it was inconsistent even back in New Year's 2006. One year earlier the spelling "flavor" was in the article with not "-our"s or "-ise"s, but is there a rationale for changing everything to British spelling? English isn't the first language of the majority of Hong Kongers, as far as I understand, and even if all Hong Kong articles used British spelling, this particular article is more dubious since she was born and raised in Mainland China. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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