Talk:J. A. Hobson

message: The first paragraph of this article is uncomfortably close to this:
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0823869.html
As to the rest of it, I don't know Hobson well enough to criticise the details of the content, but I also don't feel like I've learned a lot about Hobson from reading it. It seems to be about various people's views on  New Imperialism (and indeed duplicates material from that much-disputed article), of whom Hobson just happens to be one. Towards the end it presents various arguments on the subject without really attributing them to anybody, and ends with a conclusion as to what the causes of New Imperialism were, which is both POV and not really the topic of the article. I feel like this was written for some purpose other than an encyclopedia article on Hobson, and it doesn't really do the job very well. --rbrwr—Preceding undated comment added by Rbrwr (talk • contribs) 23:22, 2 January 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: The first paragraph is definitely copy-pasted with a few word changes. --Mrwojo 00:41 Jan 3, 2003 (UTC)
===Major Edit===
I've just added numerous paragraphs regarding Hobson's life and work, improved the bibliography, added the source for most of the material, and improved general formatting. I decided to contribute to this article because I have recently acquired an interest in Hobson's work. Any questions or comments your free to leave on my talk page. --Begebies 03:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
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message: I've just added numerous paragraphs regarding Hobson's life and work, improved the bibliography, added the source for most of the material, and improved general formatting. I decided to contribute to this article because I have recently acquired an interest in Hobson's work. Any questions or comments your free to leave on my talk page. --Begebies 03:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Major Edit

message: I'd propose moving the page to J. A. Hobson per WP:NCP - that is the name he's most commonly known by. See, for example, A. J. P. Taylor or C. S. Lewis. -- Lincolnite 22:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: This is a B but lacks in-line citations ... is it too late? Victuallers 11:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assess

message: Is there a better source for accusations of anti-Semitism? The source currently there is very bad indeed- a quote from Arendt taken out of context, that includes a quote from Hobson taken out of context. Are we to assume uncritically that Hobson's use of "fangs" in a 1900 essay is indeed "Hitlerite rhetoric" and should be seen as significant? It's no falsity that a disproportionate number of financiers were Jews- there are reasons for this that don't have anything to do with anti-semitism, the fact that they couldn't own land and that other professions were declared out of bounds for Jewish people, for instance. There are historians who have laid out the idea that Jewish financiers, like Bleichroder under Bismarck, were among the more pro-Imperialist of the lot because of the anti-semitism of the societies they lived in, they had to be seen as especially supportive of their nation. 
So it boils down to an anti-Imperialist likening Imperialists to vampires, sucking their target countries dry. This isn't rhetoric that he confined only to Jewish financiers, this is common anti-Imperialist rhetoric. "The Open Veins of Latin America" comes to mind as a recent example. 89.240.77.88 (talk) 18:33, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are several academic sources covering Hobson's antisemitism.Doctrines Of Development,  M. P. Cowen, Routledge, page 259, quote:"Rampand anti-Semitism should be recognized, not least because it is John A. Hobson, one of the most rabid anti-Semites of the period, who is the inspiration, alongside Schumpeter and Veblen, for...The Information Nexus: Global Capitalism from the Renaissance to the Present, Cambridge University Press, Steven G. Marks, page 10, quote: "And in England, the Social Democratic Federation newspaper Justice state that "the Jew financier" was the "personification of internation capatalism" - an opinion repeated in the anti-Semitic diatribes of John A. Hobson, the socialist writer who wrote one of the earliest English books with "capitalism" in the title and helped to familiarize Britons with the concept"Antisemitism: A Historical Encyclopedia of Prejudice and Persecution, Volume 1, Richard S. Levy, ABC-CLIO, page 311John A. Hobson: Critical Assessments of Leading Economists, Routledge, 2003, edited by John Cunningham Wood, Robert D. Wood, pages 49-50The Socialism of Fools?: Leftist Origins of Modern Anti-Semitism, Cambridge University Press, By William Brustein, William I. Brustein, Louisa Roberts, page 160-161Theories of Imperialism (Routledge Revivals): War, Conquest and Capital, Routlege, 1984, Norman Etherington, page 70Icewhiz (talk) 07:30, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

text: Excellent work, Icewhiz. Philip Cross (talk) 08:40, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Does Philip Cross editing this article conflict with his ban on editing articles about British public figures. Just asking because it seems pretty clear he hurried to edit this article so anyone looking it up after the story about Corbyn writing a foreword about Hobson's book will see his edits. Is there another reason all these edits were made on a certain day? 83.218.151.178 (talk) 08:47, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  See WP:VOLUNTEER and WP:WORKINPROGRESS. In any case, we generally follow reliably published academic sources. Icewhiz (talk) 09:48, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah I saw your Google Books search. You forgot to take out the search terms you used. Just a reminder for the future. Cheers 83.218.151.178 (talk) 12:41, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

text: I think the criticism goes way back - more than the 80s - e.g. Mitchell, Harvey. "Hobson revisited." Journal of the History of Ideas (1965): 397-416. has lots and lots of stuff on his attitude to the Jews (a major part of the text). I suspect the criticism dates back a century at least.Icewhiz (talk) 14:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free (of course) to add this to my citation in the initial sentence. NBeale (talk) 14:38, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Per my edit summary and WP:BRD, it is you that must establish a consensus for your recent changes. It isn't for another user to establish a consensus in favour of reverting the changes you made only a few hours ago. Endymion.12 (talk) 14:45, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

text: Please see WP:RECENTISM. We should be using well established academic source, which were are. The sources added were written between 1965 and 2016 - well prior to any recent scandal. Icewhiz (talk) 05:20, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Semitism 

message: Added the fact that John A. Hobson was mentioned by Keynes in The General Theory....Please feel free to add on as this poor guy has been treated poorly by history. Recently acquired one of his books "The Evolution of Capitalism" (1894) and he was a heretic way ahead of his time. The book reads smooth  and very "modern"..--Oracleofottawa (talk) 03:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mention in General Theory

message: Classical economics didn't/doesn't emphasize thrift, mercantilism does.  Read Sir James Steuart.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.241.26.8 (talk) 16:57, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  thrift? 

message: Per WP:NCP, I believe this article should be moved to J. A. Hobson. Endymion.12 (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: How so? Are you claiming the WP:INITS form is more common? I think I see this more in older sources, with newer sources using John. Icewhiz (talk) 17:12, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Which is an Americanism. He was a British author, hence J A (not John A.) Hobson. -- 194.207.146.167 (talk) 22:52, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: My general impression is that the initialism is more common. This was also suggested a few years ago. Endymion.12 (talk) 12:50, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  On Google searches, I find 113,000 for J.A., 54,000 for John A. and 22,000 for John Atkinsonson. Another source might be his book covers, which seem to go more for J.A. Jontel (talk) 13:11, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Should I open a request? Endymion.12 (talk) 13:30, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, that is four in favour of the change and one ambivalent, so I would say yes. Jontel (talk) 15:40, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move?