Talk:Iskandar of Johor

message: I've always believed the assault was used more of an excuse to remove powers rather then being the real reason for the removal of powers. Anyone else agree and can find a reference? N.B. I'm not denying Sultan Iskandar is a violent, arrogant idiot who should never have been Sultan let alone agong and that allowing Sultans to be prosecuted is a good thing... Nil Einne 16:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of powers 

message: I don't know who the heck wrote this article but I do know that it's very low in quality. This paragraph for example:
"While he was Yang di-Pertuan Agong, Sultan Iskandar created further controversy by assaulting a golf caddy. A soldier, the brother of the caddy who was badly injured (??? - did he survive???)'Bold text', subsequently ran amok in Kuala Lumpur causing a security scare. The soldier was later arrested and sent to a mental hospital."
Apart from the poor writing quality, the statement itself lacks referance albeit being a well-known story among Malaysians..
* Obviously some of the contributors to this article are not very comfortable with using English as a language of explanation... Many of the sentences are awkward and even seem to say things which appear to be unintentional... However, it is the lack of fluid thought which is most noticeable... As such, even though this article is "live" as news, if anyone can help clean it up, please do.  Some of the sentences are so unclear to me, I am uncertain how to improve them, and normally the English language is fairly easy for me to apply... Stevenmitchell (talk) 04:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup please 

message: This articles has some comments that is without citation. Take for example the sentence where the Sultan of Johore and Dr mahathir collaborated to sack Tun Salleh Abas. No citation was given, and it is quite illogical that these two figures that seem to hate each other would actually work together  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.142.24.130 (talk) 02:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Some comments

message: Twice the same phrase was added to the paragraph within these few days: 
 and . The new phrase, "In 1956, Tunku Iskandar married a Cornish lady by the name of Josephine Trevorrow, with whom he had four children, including the crown prince, Tunku Ibrahim Ismail. The marriage ended with divorce in 1962, his bad temper and frequent abuses were the main reasons.", citing Mads lange fra bali, Andressen, pg 123, I did not notice that anywhere was this "bad temper" issue was raised. Contentious facts can be removed as per Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Dealing_with_citation_problems.
The problem is, these are edited by annonymous editors. Since much of the content is rather libelious and would require solid citations to back up, if in any case the editor insist that this phrase is in the book, can you please type out the phrase--I know its in Danish---that cites his "bad temper" issue? Adding scandalous info without solid basis for citation--and inserting into it as if it is cited would be against Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Basic_human_dignity and []. Mr Tan (talk) 14:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: ...his bad temper and frequent abuses were the main reasons...

message: I would like to thank and salute you for the nice work done on the Johor royalty. I wonder how did you manage to obtain all the information?
It would be interesting if you could find information or articles on the past abuses and controversies of the late Sultan Ibrahim and highlight it in the article as there were rumors among the older Johoreans that he was yet another tyrannical ruler like his grandson, Sultan Iskandar. This would be rather difficult as it happened such a long time ago. Perhaps,you could find some archival newspaper articles written by Dato Onn titled Tyranny in Johore where he exposed the misdeeds of the ruler especially in the ill treatment of the JMF personnel. He was banished from the state around 1927 as a result and it was quite a long time before Sultan Ibrahim forgave him. 118.100.108.50 (talk) 08:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To be a little clearer on the issue of name, I also feel that it is important that the paragraph be included in the lead section, especially for people with multiple first and middle names, of which various sources set his names by addressing him "Sultan Mahmood", "Sultan Mahmud Iskandar" and "Sultan Iskandar". Nevertheless, while the Sultan prefers the convention to be addressed by the name "Iskandar", western sources have the tendency to address him also by the first name--especially in older sources. Naturally, other editors may experience confusion over this matter and future contributions would not be consistent--meaning some parts of the article would have "Mahmood Iskandar", "Iskandar" or "Mahmud"--naturally this would not go in line with Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Consistency_within_articles. Especially for less notable people like the Sultan, I think a paragraph should be dedicated to the lead section to explain this convention in order to set a firm precedence regarding his name. Putting it into the sections, especially in a large article like this, would serve to decrease the importance to the name but also less users will notice the paragraph and we may have these issues popping up in the future. You may take a look at an older version of this article (before January 2009) and analyse these trends: Example .
I will be also editing on the lead section--but I ask that you give me a little time. If you think that some more work may be needed to get a GA, please do not hesitate to let me know, and I will be happy to work things out. Thanks! Mr Tan (talk) 10:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sultan Ibrahim of Johor

message: I have moved the article, after agreement during the Good Article review, from Sultan Iskandar of Johor to Iskandar of Johor. The rationale is based on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles), which applies to all Western and Islamic monarchs (and thus also Malaysian).
All articles on Wikipedia should follow their respective naming conventions. Disagreement about the naming convention itself should be discussed on at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles), rather than here. Arsenikk (talk) 09:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
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