Talk:The Adventures of Tintin/Archive 2

message: You can watch them on Dubtoons.com or YouTube. Shouldn't they be added? 82.38.53.3 23:54, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redubs 

message: This article is getting quite long. Perhaps we should split The Adventures of Tintin with The Adventures of Tintin (television), with a disambig notice at the top. -leigh (φθόγγος) 02:13, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
:I think that's a good idea, because a lot more commentary and analysis about the television series in general could be added. –– Constafrequent (talk page) 06:06, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split this article? 

message: If the fictional countries like Syldavia and Neuvo Rico have their own pages, despite playing very trivial roles, why don't the major characters like Captain Haddock have their own pages? It's not logical.--212.100.250.207 07:27, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why on earth do the character pages redirect to this page? 

message: I'm surprised there isn't any information here on the redrawings; they're referenced all over the place, yet explained nowhere. When did the "modern" style kick in? How many were redrawn entirely? What was changed?
:The early Black-and-White books were redrawn, largely because there was a paper shortage in Belgium at that time. They were colorized, though. Apart from that, "The black island" was completely redrawn for the British edition (in the 60's, I think), because the British publisher believed that Britain was depicted too old-fashioned.
::This subject should have its own page. There are many things to say about the redrawings, and much has been published about them. Troublesome aspects of this subject are that, for one reason or another -- husbanding potentially valuable publishing material probably among them -- the redrawing and reworking sources have sometimes only been made available in a piecemeal fashion -- a page or two at a time. In other cases, entire versions of earlier Tintin books have been republished. For example "Achives Hergé" volume 4 has early versions of three albums. It's not going to be easy to explain briefly differences between the current albums and this 353 page collection.Alpha Ralpha Boulevard 00:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redrawings 

message: Apparently Spielberg is producing a Tintin movie:
http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=20254
-Adjusting 07:48, 2005 May 21 (UTC)
:Yes, I've created a new page for this: Tintin (2009 film) 
::-Timberlax 22:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tintin Movie 

message: "Syldavia in the Balkans is by Hergé's own admission modelled on Albania". I am inclined to think that Syldavia is more modelled from Austria, Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia. Source please ! Ericd 16:42, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fairly certain it's in Hergé by Pierre Assouline; I haven't got the book to hand but I'm sure Hergé cites Albania as the country he based Syldavia on (despite the obvious Anschluss allusions). Will check the book and cite the source. Richard W 22:55, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Source checked and cited. A rough translation of the quote would be: "If you have a vague knowledge of history, you'll see it's completely based on fact. Syldavia is Albania. It's about the preparation of annexation. If you want to benefit from this concurrence, it's now or never."Richard W 14:39, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syldavia 

message: If i believe what was written in Japanese (in katakana) on your Tintin page, the 'tranlsation' of their names is not "Dupont" and "Duvont" but "Dyupon" and "Dyubon" (sounds a bit like "dyoopon" and "dyoobon").
It's a detail but ...
HTH.
:Isn't that basically a transliteration from the French pronunciation? The best that could be done, considering the limited amount of Japanese different phonemes. 85.226.122.165 13:22, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The japanese name of Thomson and thompson 

message: In the comic book The Shooting Star I had noticed that Captain Haddock was wear the rank braid of a Commander (like that of the Canadian Navy, three braids, and nothing else). Therefore, I had begun to believe that Haddock's rank in French was actually Capitaine de frégate (which translate litterally as Frigate Captain), but which is in fact a Commander of the Canadian Navy, Royal Navy, American Navy, etc. I would therefore believe that Haddock is in fact, a Commander. Christophe T. Stevenson.
:I only have the Danish translations, but on page 12 in Tintin and the Picaros colonel Alvarez greets Haddock as "commander captain" and Haddock answers he is "just a captain" but I don't know how that is in English (or French). Poulsen 20:26, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe the books ever made reference to Haddock being a naval Captain. He was the captain of the merchant vessel Karaboudjan when introduced in The Crab with the Golden Claws, technically Ship's Master. The term 'captain' in civilian context is a much looser term. Pipnosis 16:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commander Haddock 

message: I think there are severla things missing in the Linkbox, I think at least the "Tintin and the Temple of the Sun" and "Tintin and I" movies should be added., as well as the two animated series and maybe some of the more important books about Tintin. I don't know hopw to edit, though, so I'm just giving a proposal. 惑乱 分からん 15:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linkbox 

message: The Broken Ear depicted the famous "head-shrunkers" Jivaros according to the classic barbarian stereotype. Jivaros' real name are the Shuari.''
I've removed the bit about "barbarian stereotype" as it's not at all clear what that means or whether it's true. The linked article barbarian points out that the word has meant many different things to different people. A tribe of Indians who play golf isn't really a stereotype, for a start! Flapdragon 17:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jivaros 

message: Why is Tintin the only European comic widely known in the USA? JIP | Talk 18:17, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lucky Luke is rather well known as well, I believe (or is that only in Canada?). Fram 07:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I'm aware, it's only in Canada, although new English translations still seem to be made. In the 90's, Fantasy Flight Publishing decided to market the series in USA, with apparently disastrous results. 惑乱 分からん 23:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tintin in the USA 

message: David Sanborn has a song on his Inside album called "Tin Tin Deo". I have no idea if it has anything whatsoever to do with Tintin. Does anyone know? -- Jalabi99 11:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References to Tintin in Popular Culture 

message: What's up with the weird hotmail adress in the external link section? That seems grossly misplaced but before I remove it I wanted to ask anyone who's worked on this entry for longer than I have. Cheers, Mabuse 19:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well spotted. Removed. Flapdragon 20:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan email? 

message: The discussion of this and other aspects of Tintin (the nationality of Haddock, etcetera) should not focus on what can be seen in translated versions of the comic, but only on what appears in the original French versions. The chance that a castle with the name of "Moulinsart" and the looks of Cheverny is located in England is slim. It is debatable whether it is in France or Belgium, although Belgium seems the most probable choice. Fram 09:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marlinspike location 

message: Not sure where to put this, because it's not popular culture, but an editor may want to add something about the 2000 Tintin art installation at the Mattress Factory museum in Pittsburgh that duplicated a scene from a Tintin comic. I saw it in person while an intern at the museum, and it was really fun and impressive, and I'm not even a Tintin fan.--Chris Griswold 02:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Art installation 

message: In the begining of the text, the "introduction" of the Adventures of Tintin...Read, somebody wrote that Tintin was a sex offender, etc...
It has to change...!!!!
:It was just vandalism that was reverted in this edit.  You can read some of the information located at Help:Contents in order to learn how to revert vandalism yourself. gren グレン 02:14, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  REPORT : TINTIN INTRODUCTION IS SO WRONG...! 

message: I know a concern at the Featured article review is that the bulleted points were a bad thing, and I see they've been re-introduced.  Appreciate any thoughts. Hiding Talk 21:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bullets are a bad thing. Please remove them. --Maitch 22:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  addition of the bullets 

message: I'm placing the following text here as a marker and for discussion, since it's all sourceable.  I'm away to bed now, but I figured it's better to keep the tags off the article so I took this out until it can be sourced, although strictly speaking it was, since the article gives in its references Michael Farr Tintin: The Complete Companion, John Murray (2001) , in which all the points below can be sourced. Still, better safe than sorry.  Hopefully I can wrap this section up tonight.
The adventure which is largely seen as the first "serious" Tintin adventure is The Blue Lotus, published in 1936. This story, set in China during the then-current Sino-Japanese War, was the first for which he did extensive background research. His research was aided by Zhang Chongren, a Chinese student in Belgium, who would become a character in the Tintin comics under the name of Chang Chong-Chen. The Blue Lotus criticised Japanese and Western colonial meddling in China and helped to dispel popular myths about the Chinese people (although it contains flagrant stereotyping of Japanese people, who are portrayed as sinister and cruel). From then on, meticulous research would be one of Hergé's trademarks.
Some of the early albums were altered by Hergé in subsequent editions, usually at the demand of publishers. For example, at the instigation of his American publishers, many of the black characters in Tintin in America were re-coloured to make their race white or ambiguous. The Shooting Star album originally had an American villain with the Jewish surname of Mr. Blumenstein. This proved to be controversial, as the character looked very stereotypically Jewish. He was changed to an American with a less ethnically specific name, Mr. Bohlwinkel, in later editions and subsequently to a South American of a fictional country. Hergé later discovered that 'Bohlwinkel' was also a Jewish name.
The next book to have any controversy over race was The Red Sea Sharks, in which Africans were depicted as naïve and simple. Herge later re-did some of it to rectify this, though it remained controversial. In some of his other albums, such as Tintin in Tibet, there is not a trace of any racial stereotyping.
That's all the removed work. Hiding Talk 23:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced text 

message: Currently the article says:
:"A limited edition of Ellipse-Nelvana's The Adventures of Tintin TV cartoon series was scheduled for release on DVD in the United States by Universal Studios Home Video around 2007, containing 21 full-length episodes in 7 volumes."
Has the plans been dropped since it uses past tense? --Maitch 12:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD release 

message: "The titles in the Tintin series always feature slapstick humour..."
Titles? What's so funny about "Tintin in America?" Wouldn't a better word be 'names?' Galanskov 14:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. English isn't my native language, though I speak it reasonably well. Galanskov 12:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, I was rather abrupt there.  No, I appreciate that, and you're right, it was not crystal clear.  Hiding Talk 15:26, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Titles" 

message: As this article will very soon appear on the main page, all lingering NPOV issues should be resolved. Wikipedia does not praise works of art, even when the praise is uncontroversial and widely-accepted; such statements should be removed, rephrased, and/or attributed to sources. The main statement of concern to me is "Engaging, well-researched plots, straddle a variety of genres". It is fine to say, as you do earlier in the article, that Tintin was "painstakingly researched", but to qualify the research as "good" is both POVed and, at least in the case of many early Tintin books, simply inaccurate; likewise, "engaging" is too complimentary, and even "straddling" is somewhat unencyclopedic in its expressiveness.
"The conclusion of Tintin's adventures was untimely." is also inappropriate. It is both a POV judgment, and an inhumane statement, in that it trivializes a man's life by suggesting that the main tragedy of his dying is that he hadn't finish writing a comic book we'd have liked to read.
This article's editors should also be careful of errors like self-references (e.g., "world closely mirroring our own", rather than "world closely mirroring reality" or the like). After moving down from the lead section to the rest of the article, I was surprised at what a high-quality article this actually is; usually the lead section is the most polished part of the page, but I found most of the errors of formating, NPOV, flow, lack of references, etc. at the beginning. -Silence 12:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV concerns, etc. 

message: I'm concerned that "Overview" is basically acting like "Good things about Tintin's history" and "Criticism" is "Bad things about Tintin's history". For example, Hergé's portrayal of the Chinese and of Africans are similar topics, but are currently in different sections Could these two sections be combined and possibly split up by other criteria? --Nonpareility 22:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Overview" and "Criticism"

message: Should Tintin in the New World, the novel authorized by the author of the original works (although pretty terrible actually) be mentioned in this article? Other non-comic versions and Tintin in Thailand are mentioned. Kit O'Connell (Todfox: user / talk / contribs) 01:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tintin in the New World? 

message: The design is similar to that of the Archies. 67.188.172.165 04:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the similarity (beytond a general cartoon look), and anyway, the Archies are much later... Fram 06:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archies

message: In the article, the origin of Tintin (the person) has been twice changed from Belgian to European. While the latter is of course not incorrect, I wonder why the more precise former isn't kept. He is created by a Belgian for a Belgian newspaper, lives in Brussels and works for the same Belgian newspaper: what is the chance of him not being Belgian in those days? I would suggest either changing it back to Belgian, or to drop all indication of origin of Tintin (who knowws, he may be Canadian?) Fram 06:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw there was a claim that there is no evidence of him being Belgian, and frowned. I can't be sure if it's because of the different translations I've read, or down to Herge's album remakes, but I have a distinct memory of Tintin standing in front a classroom (in "Belgian" Congo), announcing to the African pupils something like "today we will learn about our motherland, Belgium". I'm vaguely remembering this was changed to a math lesson in the remake, but feel certain there must be other proof.  I've thought of him as Belgian since early life which is pretty specific for a non-Belgian kid. MURGH disc. 11:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They use Franc as currency, which excludes a large part of Europe, also there are panoramic images of the city, for instance in Le sceptre d'Ottokar and Coke en stock. I think you might spot some Belgian landmarks in there, though I'm not sure... 惑乱 分からん 23:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tintin in the Congo (originl version) is chock full of references to Belgium: page 113 (last page) says (translated from Dutch): "And to think that in Belgium all little white people are just like Tintin", which would be a strange statement if Tintin was not Belgian! Fram 06:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, I think the firemen, policemen etc. might have Belgian uniforms from the time the books were made. Not certain, though... 惑乱 分からん 09:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the setting is definitely Belgian, and he works for a real Belgian newspaper, but the problem is that if someone would really start nitpicking, there is no absolute definitive mention that he is himslf a Belgian (who knows, he may be a Norvegian boy living and working in Belgium...). Farfetched, I know, but since the article was changed from Belgian to European, I thought it would be best if we looked for some references that indicate that he is Belgian. I think it is fair to conclude that everything points to him being a Belgian, and nothing to him being not a Belgian... Fram 09:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Belgian vs. European

message: Someone has inserted several vulgarities and other ignorant comments into the second paragraph of this article. I do not know how to revert them, however, as the vandalism does not appear visible on the edit page.
Some one has changed the captian's name to hardcock in this article. Who ever did it is funny as. I would fix it but i cant remember his name. Was it haddock or something like that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.237.166.156 (talk) 09:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism to article 

message: This article requires major cleanup. There are too many false links.216.31.230.83 18:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Also, there are serious problems with Secondary characters and settings in The Adventures of Tintin, which is linked as an important aspect of this article. -- Jreferee 18:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: **Then why is this article a Featured Article? Clearly there's been a bit of a messup! Madder 18:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: ***Maybe it's all a bit messy because it is on the main page and is getting vandalised and no-one has the time to do anything else. As to why this is a featured article, a glance through the links at the top of this page should aid you. Hiding Talk 19:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What does "false links" mean? You mean red links within wikipedia? Those are articles that can be created - not necessarily a bad thing; that's how wikipedia grows. Or do you mean bad external links?   If so, which ones?  - DavidWBrooks 20:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I've added a paragraph about Herge during the occupation of Belgium when he was working for Le Soir.  His work was affected in a big way during this period, he found it hard to get work for a while after the war, and lived for the rest of his life with a taint on his character from the accusations of collaboration.  I can't see this referred to elsewhere and it seems too big an issue to omit. This needs references, but, as a newbie, I'm not sure how to do this or renumber subsequent references.  Perhaps someone could help. Bardic 21:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occupation and accusations of Collaboration 

message: For a featured article, there are a few things which seem to be missing here (or at least impossible to find after 10 minutes of scanning). For example, when was the first book published? When was the last published? The list of episodes published don't even mention the year they came out. When was the author born? There seems to be an awful lot of very basic information left out. --Joewithajay 23:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A list of the episodes with the publication year can be found at Tintin books, films, and media. The list of episodes at this page has them in chronological order, but I agree with you that the list should identify when the books came out. I'll begin work right away. Galanskov 00:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added publication dates to the list. I hope it solves the problem. Galanskov 00:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is something that annoys me sometimes. Should I have to click across to Hergé to find out when he was born? And then come back here to continue reading this article? It would make more sense to provide relevant information here, so the article here is self-contained. ie. This article should place Tintin and Hergé in their istorical context, so I would argue that Hergé's date of birth (and death) needs to be explicitly placed here as well. Carcharoth 02:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: As of today I can't read the album without thinking to Michel Berger's song "Le paradis blanc" (White Heaven). As I was not a great fan of Michel Berger I didn't realize that the song was about death "Je m'en irai dormir dans le paradis blanc" roughtly "I will sleep in the white paradise". Probably a similar personal experience. Ericd 21:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tintin in Tibet