Talk:Andrew Moray

message: Why is this underneath the picture of Wallace in Aberdeen:
"A statue of William Wallace in Aberdeen, a Scottish city with which he has no proven connexion"
Not only is it spelt wrong it seems irrelevent. No proven connection? Wallace was guardian of Scotland and Aberdeen is a Scottish city....seems like a strong enough connection to me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.17.34 (talk) 01:22, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Point of this? 

message: Andrew de Moray, as far as I am aware,was never appointed Guardian of Scotland, a title extended to Wallace only late in 1297.  No doubt Moray would have been named as joint Guardian-just as he was joint leader with Wallace of the army-but he died of the wounds he sustained at Stirling Bridge.
Rcpaterson 22:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Death dates can be used, as in Andrew Moray (d. 2006). You wouldn't need to do it for all, just the less important Andrew Morays. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guardian of Scotland? 

message: Some very dubious content has been added under the heading of Trivia. This identifies Moray with a character in Braveheart named Morney. This identification is at best specious, trading solely on a very dubious similarity in the names. There is, in my opinion, no merit in this addition, as there is nothing in Morney's conduct with could even be identified with Andrew de Moray. Indeed, if anything Morney could be best identified with the 'Red' Comyn. I think that this identification adds absolutely nothing to the article, which has been improved significantly recently. I propose to delete this reference unless someone can suggest why it should be retained --Jaygtee 12:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: There is some information in the main article under this heading realting to evolution of the name Murray. I'm not sure why it was tagged on here, but I think that it is a little out of context in an article about a Scottish mediaeval personality.  I propose, therefore, to delete it, unless someone wants to post a valid reason that it should be retained. I'll leave this option open for the next ten days or so. --Jaygtee 22:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Note on the [[etymology]] of the name ''Murray''

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 22:09, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: This article clearly contains original research.  The death of Moray is a slightly murky issue, but the idea that the documents issued by Wallace in their joint names were acutally issued after Moray was dead is speculative and not one I have seen in any history. PatGallacher (talk) 01:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: OR issues

message: "Parents 
Father: Sir Andrew Moray of Petty, d.c.1300; Mother: not known."
Forgive me if I'm not following Wikipedia protocol, but the following is more of a commentary and a question rather than a correction:
Comentary:
The Wikipedia article does not give the specifics of Andrew's ancestry.  Scots Peerage II:120-128, sub Moray, Lord of Bothwell, shows a descent as converted to Henry numbers below in which I have omitted siblings in each generation collateral to the last Andrew:
1. Freskin, said to be of Flemish origin who "must have d. bef. 1171"
1.1. William, of Stradbrok, Duffus, Rosisle, Inchikel, Machir, and Kintrai, d. ca. 1203
1.1.2. William de Moravia, Dominus de Pettyn, Brachlie and Boharm, d. bef. 5 Oct. 1226
1.1.2.1. Sir Walter de Moravia, Lord of Petyn, etc., d. ca. 1244
1.1.2.1.1. Sir William de Moravia of Petyn, d. bef. Mar. 1253, wife said to have been a dau. of Malcolm of Moray, Earl of Fife
1.1.2.1.1.1. Sir Walter de Moravia who "may" have married the heiress of NN Olifard, of Bothwell* and became 1st Lord of Bothwell (of the Moray line), d. ca. 1284
1.1.2.1.1.1.2. Sir Andrew de Moravia, (h. of his elder bro. Wm., 2nd lord of Bothwell who d.s.p.), m1. NN 4th dau. of Sir John Comyn of Badenoch (mother of his s. & h. Andrew)**, m2. Euphemia, widow of William Comyn of Kilbride
1.1.2.1.1.1.2.1. Sir Andrew Moray, 3rd Lord Bothwell, who is said to have d. at Battle of Stirling Bridge 11 Sep. 1297, but letters to the Mayors of Lubeck and Hamburg in Oct. 1297 and letters of protection to the Monks of Hexham in Nov. 1297 indicate he may survived the battle for a period of time.
1.1.2.1.1.1.2.1.1. Sir Andrew Moray, 4th Lord Bothwell, "Panetarius Scotiæ", Regent of Scotland, b. 1298, m. 1326 as 3rd husband, Christian, sister of King Robert the Bruce, d. 1338, bur. Dunfermline Abbey
* See the exchange on SocGenMedieval 1 Jan 2006, subject: Re: Helen of Strathearn, daughter of Joanna de Menteith (revisited), wherein the specifics of how Bothwell went from the Olifards to the Morays is discussed.
** SP cited Wyntoun, _Chron._Bk. viii. c. vi. l. 1193.  
Question:
I note that SP is not listed as a reference for this article.  Is it because more recent research has disproven it in re: Moray of Bothwell?
Respectfully submitted,
--Curthofemann (talk) 04:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Scots Peerage

message: "There was, however, one irreplaceable loss: Andrew Moray."  I am not sure that statements such as this are allowable. It is merely an opinion. He was. of course, not 'irreplaceable'. Shipsview (talk) 11:39, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Irreplaceable loss