Talk:Swissair

message: This article about Swissair is really not representing real facts, specially the so called 'history' section.
This article focusses on the demise of Swissair that happened in the late 90's. The whole history behind the airline is mentioned nowhere.
At least the complete fleet and Accidents are mentioned after someone copied them from another site.
for a real view about Swissair and its history you'd better go and check out the links such as the 'Gone with the wind' article or the fansite on www.swissair.aero.
Once I have some more time I will try to improve the quality of this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.9.112.196 (talk) 08:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very misleading Article as a whole 

message: I've deleted a See Also link to Sabena.  Besides being former national airlines for small western European countries, there's little else to tie them together.  If there's a reason it should go back in, please do so—but also please place enough information in the article to point out why it's important. --Milkmandan 09:40, 2005 Jan 19 (UTC)
:There is indeed a tie between the two companies; the page on Sabena has a few details, but the story is much longer and more complicated than that. I'll restore the link and try to add a bit of information to the article. Schutz 11:06, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Little to tie them together? Sabena was part of SR at the end, and bankruptcy of both airlines was due to the same Hunter strategy. There is very much hat ties these two airlines together.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.94.122 (talk) 19:19, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted Sabena link 

message: I realise that my using the  template for the history of accidents and incidents means that the dates are not displayed well, but at present I have run out of time to investigate how to tweak it. Perhaps someone already knows how; otherwise I aim to research and modify sooner rather than later.</br>
David Kernow 01:12, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table 

message: I saw this news story relating to this article, perhaps it will be useful: . →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 04:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps this one too: . →James Kidd (contr/talk/email) 04:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current event reference 

message: Since this is an article on Swissair, and not on Swiss (which is referenced and has its own article) I removed the link to swiss.com.  In its place, a link to the Internet Archive "Wayback Machine" and the archived copy of the last goodbye message from Swissair on the web.
Anybody who is closer to the current trial who would be able to keep the page up to date with the case?
Jkstark 02:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted Swiss web link 

message: Why Air Outre Mer redirects to this page? I suppose that Air Outre Mer should redirect to AOM French Airlines.
I have no knowledge in this field and I do not know how to verify this information but it
is clear that one or both of this two page (AOM French Airlines and Swissair) are wrong.
LLP, Andcoz (talk) 14:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air Outre Mer 

message: Swissair was a company that provided at least 65 years of perfect service (very good quality and reputation) so to limit the company's history to the last few years (hunter strategy and collapse) seems a bit strange. Swissair also had a long period of successful expansion (creation of companies like Swissôtel and Gate Gourmet) why isn't that mentioned in the History part?  
.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.227.15.136 (talk) 09:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with History 

message: per WP:EL fansites should not be promoted....particularly over official sites whether past or present. --emerson7 18:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  fansites 

message: inasmuch as the infobox is designed to give a snapshot at a particular point in time, it is more appropriate that an historic roster of executives be rather included in the text of the article. --emerson7 17:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Emerson; Jaquelyne Fouse and even Mario Corti were not key people at Swissair. They were only in the roles you mention at Swissair in the last one of 70 years of existance of this airline. I don't know what your personal relation to these persons is, but please stop deleting more relevant information to put them up again. As you mention yourself above, you can include these people in the article itself in the last chapter about the airline if you feel they are important enough. Also: The fleet size was not 72. It was (around) 312 aircraft in total, 72 in 2002, when the airline stopped flying. So the 'at the demise' or 'in 2002' is not an optional info, as the other number is just plain incorrect.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pateb (talk • contribs) 22:54, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  while all of the information you are adding is certainly relevant, your adding it to the infobox is inappropriate and should be included in the article. again, the infobox only gives a snapshot in time--in this case upon dissolution in 2002. it doesn't make sense to add the qualifier "at bankruptcy, etc," i think our readers are clever enough to understand that point. also, the term "key people" is generally defined as 'corporate executives'. corti and fouse were among the sa top five cadre at the end....the individuals you keep adding were not. historical data like is supposed to be part of the article...not the infobox. you might want to take a look at the articles on other defunct companies, and also the infobox template instructions for guidance. --emerson7 22:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Emerson. I answered you on your discussion page. Please read there as well. Just another thing about your comment above: Go an check sabena, Crossair or any other and you will find the same kind of information as well, with Moritz Suter being the only key person at Crossair or sabena having 87 planes at time of bankruptcy. Wikipedia is not only used by People who already know about the airline. Someone completely unrelated might get the impression that the airline (which most people confuse with Swiss anyway) still has 72 plane TODAY which is not correct as we both know. Cheers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pateb (talk • contribs) 08:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  infobox  

message: although swissair is now defunct, it is customary and appropriate to list as key people the significant individuals of the organisation at the time of failure. see here and here for examples. those currently included corti, fouse and luethi, are correct and properly cited per wp guidelines. --emerson7 20:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just inserting a note; I don't think 112.196's contributions qualify as vandalism, emerson7. They've got a debatable point. Master of Puppets - Call me MoP! :D 17:15, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  your imput is appreciated. however this ip user has been caused constant disruptions on this page and has removed data without comment initiated rv wars etc. --emerson7 17:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The user has a point, though. If you look at Air Canada, they only list the CEO and Chairman (I'm not sure if Swissair has a chairman). Same with WestJet and Northwest Airlines. American Airlines and Lufthansa deviate from the example, so I'm not sure what the MoS on this is; however, the infobox should be concise and easy to skim through; listing excessive amounts of facts won't always be good. Master of Puppets - Call me MoP! :D 03:02, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

text: key people is defined as senior management, and listed the individuals fit that bill. in any case, it is not permitted to removed edits that properly cited and correct. --emerson7 22:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

text: as before, 'key people' as in all company, business, organisation, infoboxes is for to list current or latest corporate senior officers. defunct organisations are no different. --emerson7 02:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: common practice (as stated above) is that for defunct companies not the 'current' or 'latest' key people are mentioned, but either the last chairman or a list of key persons during the lifetime of the company. Which makes sense, since a list of the last top-positions is of absolutely no use to the common user of the ecyclopedia. I have thus changed the information again. Hope you finally agree.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pateb (talk • contribs) 07:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: your 'opinion' of what is of use to the common user is noted but irrelevant. if you wish, you can make your case for changing the parameters for , and perhaps your view will be adopted for all infoboxes. however, until that time, the current article should follow the standard guidelines. --emerson7 15:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  key people 

message: *"Smartcool's global distribution initiative extends into United Arab Emirates.." PR Newswire. 26 June 2007.
says that Avireal was Swissair's facility management arm and separated in 1997.
WhisperToMe (talk) 02:15, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Avireal

message: Here are reports about the 1979 crash in Athens:
* German: http://www.bfu.admin.ch/common/pdf/992d.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/65XH8aMWI
* French: http://www.bfu.admin.ch/common/pdf/992f.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/65XH1yfht
WhisperToMe (talk) 04:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: 1979 crash

message: This article has some serious issues, including some long sections that read like indictments rather than dispassionate rendering of facts and serious grammar and language use problems. I stumbled across the article through Wikilinks and have no significant expertise, but someone who knows this topic and has less of a bone to pick than prior authors could make some major improvements by cleaning up the discussion to make it more factual/encyclopedic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.197.54.34 (talk) 23:25, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  many, many problems 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The judiciary is continuing to examine why Swissair acquired counselling that supported the Hunter Strategy, and why Swissair continued to make certain payments despite nearing insolvency. Questions have also been raised about federal aid given to Swissair and the politicians involved. The highly competitive nature of the market during the business's final years also precipitated its demise: like rival company Sabena, Swissair fell victim to the competition of budget airlines such as Ryanair and EasyJet.
Disclaimer:  I know nothing of Airlines.  
If the company went under 20 years ago, shouldn't the judiciary have come to some conclusions yet ?  Even in my own country, Great Britain, Public Enquiries generally wind their way to the sea before 2 decades.
I will say avoiding McKinsey just seems like common sense.
A BBC correspondent said regarding the collapse "Something did die in Switzerland that day: not just an airline but an image the Swiss had of themselves and, more importantly, of their business leaders" and "The Swiss financial community's reputation for good business sense was already seriously damaged by the Swissair disaster."
This seems remarkably strong, most countries have collapsed companies, Britain has had thousands upon thousands:  even the USA has had a few.   Just gratuitous smug schadenfreude  --  which admittedly is not uncharacteristic of the BBC. Claverhouse (talk) 04:41, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long Time Past 

message: Traveling end of July, is there a restriction on covid shots, already have shots and booster but traveling with family member that does not. 2603:9000:9004:679A:793A:55F4:BD87:CB93 (talk) 18:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  COVID restrictions