Talk:Jacques Ellul

message: i returned section title back to "On technique" since the concept means more than just technology.  This is explained numerous times throughout "The Technological Society" and elsewhere.  The Forward by Robert Merton, the Translator's Introduction by John Wilkinson, and the Notes to the Reader section all address this issue.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.110.207.158 (talk) 14:55, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: technique

message: Proudhon, Blumhardt, and Berdyaev are listed as people that influenced Ellul under his photo on the Article.  However, the source for these claims are not listed under the Article's "Life and influences" section.  I request that if these individuals were indeed influences of Ellul, that sources clarifying how they influenced him be added.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ijaz19 (talk • contribs) 15:23, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: influences under photo need citations under Article's "Life and influences"

message: I think the author is only Fasching, but the Wiki Article source lists both Fasching and Ellul as authors.  Please correct me if I am mistaken in thinking it is only Fasching. 68.163.54.106 (talk) 01:29, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Source 24 (The Thought of Jacques Ellul: Toronto studies...)

message: Citation for sacred reality quotation is not from an Ellul work.  Therefore, can somebody clarify if this quotation is actually something Ellul said or something that was said by Fasching? 68.163.54.106 (talk) 01:15, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Sacred Reality

message: Regarding addition of "Ellul identified the State and political power as the Beast in the Book of Revelation.[17]"
I think this statement should include citation from a work of Ellul. The source is currently of a work by Christoyannopoulos, Alexandre68.163.54.106 (talk) 01:05, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Beast comment

message: I've just learned that Karl Barth rejected claims that he was a neo-orthodox so it would be good to cite the current claim here that Ellul is one (given their similarities in theology).
it has been more than a month so I am going ahead and changing wording to state that some have considered him within the neo-orthodox tradition.  a citation for this is still needed. Ijaz19 (talk) 13:36, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: neo-orthodoxy?

message: there are no sources cited within the article, even though there are a few quotes.  I think I recognized a few of them from The Technological Society, but I would have to go back and check and for right now I simply don't have time (I'm a grad student and it's the middle of the semester, things are starting to get busy!) Orpheus42 12:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: List of Righteous Among the Nations by country lists Jacques Ellul as one. I can't find any source for that.
Any help?.. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 04:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it in the article. Gugganij (talk) 23:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Righteous Among the Nations 

message: The entry seemed to imply that Jacques Ellul had anti-Catholic views or was even anti-Catholic, but this is far from true. He had a view of Christianity to be above different religious denominations, being in that sense greatly ecumenical. I can quote directly from his book Anarchy and Christianity: "Hence we have to eliminate two thousand years of accumulated Christian errors, or mistaken traditions, and I do not say this as a Protestant accusing Roman Catholics, for we have all been guilty of the same deviations or aberrations. (...) There has always been a Christian anarchism. In every century there have been Christians who have discovered the simple biblical truth, whether intellectually, mystically, or socially. They include some great names, for example, Tertullian (at first), Fra Dolcino, Francis of Assisi, Wycliffe, Luther (...), Lammenais, John Bost, and Charles de Foucauld." (p. 7) So he also greatly admired some great Catholic personalities, whom he saw as predecessors of his Christian anarchism, like St. Francis of Assisi and Blessed Charles de Foucauld. There are many other examples that we can find in his work that he was very far from anti-Catholic.Mistico (talk) 01:49, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jacques Ellul on Roman Catholicism 

message: Jacques Ellul wasn't anti-Catholic, by the contrary, but he was very critical of Islam, from what can be read in Anarchy and Christianity: "I have shown elsewhere that the biblical God really has nothing in common with Allah. We need to remember that we can read anything we like into the word "God". I have also shown that apart from some names and stories the Bible and the Koran have nothing in common." (p. 6) I think this perhaps could be expanded to show his critical view of Islam in the entry.Mistico (talk) 01:57, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jacques Ellul Criticism of Islam 

message: It is amazing to me that Jacques Ellul's views on politics, as written in the book, The Political Illusion, are not now being discussed (because politics is such a stalemate in the USA).  Ellul's book and ideas need to be re-issued, with 21st century commentary.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.90.148 (talk) 07:45, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ellul's: The Political Illusion 

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