Talk:Football (word)

message: This version of the article says: "Australian Rules football and American football are neither played nor watched within the United Kingdom or in any European country."
This sentence appears to be entirely false:
*British American Football Association
*British Universities American Football League
*European Federation of American Football
*International Australian Football Council
*Australian rules football around the world
--Jtir (talk) 20:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Delete it, it is a bit of vandalism that seems to have escaped everybody's notice. Both American and Australian football are played in the UK (albeit not very much).GordyB (talk) 10:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  American football in the United Kingdom 

message: I've lived in Ireland for thirty-five years and could count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've heard someone talk abour Soccer. In both Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic when 99% of the population say football they mean Association Football. When talking about Gaelic Football they say GAA, Gaelic or All Ireland Football. It is often stated that GAA is more popular in Ireland than Soccer due to the comparison in attendances at games on the island but this is misleading as the vast majority of soccer fans in Ireland attend games at and are supporters of British clubs. In every instance where I have heard the phrase said "did you see the football last night" in Ireland, the conversation has been about Association Football and never has the perseon asking the question had to qualify the statement to avoid confusion. For this reason I propose Ireland be removed from the list of regions where it is suggested in this article that Football does not mean Association Football. Captainbeecher (talk) 23:33, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soccer in Ireland

message: I removed rugby league from the Irish section because there is next to no league in Ireland, and as such, no evidence has been given that the word football is ever used to describe league. 
This removal was reverted by Mattdocbrown with a source of Rugby League Ireland and the comment of "didn't mean to delete rugbyfootball though"
There are also similar numbers of Irish American Football teams and eight in the Australian Rules Football of Ireland. if Rugby League why not AFI and ARFI? These numbers are just so small that to include them in this article is misleading. -- PBS (talk) 11:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The sports might not be played much but that doesn't mean people don't talk about these sports. I think RL ought to be back in and the other two sports added in. We don't play Aussie rules, Gaelic or American football in England much but I know what they are.GordyB (talk) 17:09, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason Gaelic football is mentioned in the UK section is because it is a UK section so includes NI. This is about the use of the word football. These sports are non runners in Ireland as far as the use of the term. Unless it can be sourced that there is some sort of confusion, there is no need to mention a sport. -- PBS (talk) 19:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Northern Ireland is 1.5 million out of over 60 million. However many people play Gaelic sport in Northern Ireland, it is inevitably going to be a minority sport across the UK as a whole.GordyB (talk) 20:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If we followed that logic to the end we would only mention soccer in the UK as all the others are minority sports! As the UK is a union I think we should mention usage in the different constituent countries of the UK (and possibly between the north and the south of England given the geographical division of the rugby codes). I would be interested to reading about usage in Wales and more detail about usage in Scotland, but to date no one has provided any sources to allow for paragraphs on those specific parts of the UK. -- PBS (talk) 11:06, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish minority sports 

message: The assertion that 'The word "soccer" was in fact the most common way of referring to association football in the UK until around the 1970s, ...' appears to be wildly incorrect.  I can find no-one amongst my friends and acquaintances who had heard the word until the first English football players went to play in the USA.  I have been unable to find any references whatsoever to the word in several hundred old game programmes, newspapers, football annuals, or football magazines from the 1950s or 1960s.  I'd be intrigued to know on what basis the assertion is made. DickyP (talk) 15:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: For what its worth,I grew up in the 1960s and often used the word "soccer". This might be because I lived in a district where rugby was the major sport. Proving that we used the word is, of course, difficult.Petethewhistle (talk) 22:58, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a book available which reprints material from Charles Buchan's Football Monthly from the 1950s and 60s, and the articles in that make frequent use of "Soccer" (always written with a capital letter, for some reason........) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:37, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the term 'Soccer' in the UK. 

message: has anybody some info about the italian word for soccer? (calcio)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paranoid Android1208 (talk • contribs) 10:06, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was about to ask the same thing.  It might be notable in this article.  A bit more research into the history of the word would be needed before adding it to the article, but it's definitely notable for inclusion.unak1978 05:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calcio  

message: The etymology section seems to be loaded with WP:OR. This paragraph in particular stands out:
"In 1363, King Edward III of England issued a proclamation banning "...handball, football, or hockey; coursing and cock-fighting, or other such idle games",[5] showing that "football" was being differentiated from games as they involved other parts of the body, such as handball, not simply because it was played on foot."
Does anyone have access to the reference "Derek Baker (England in the Later Middle Ages). 1995. Boydell & Brewer. p. 187" to see if they are actually discussing the etymology/usage of the word 'football' or just commenting on a specific proclamation? Glaucus (talk) 22:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I came here to point out just that, and you have beaten me to it. It is perfectly feasible that handball involved using the hands/arms in play, but that does not clear up the question of whether or not football is derived from a (perhaps older) game played "on foot" or a game played "with the foot". Unless the unseen passage explains things further, the conclusion seems like synthesis. Dainamo (talk) 10:51, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

text: I'm also curious about this proclamation, because in the next paragraph, the OED states that the first documented usage of the term "football" appears in 1424.  If this proclamation is real, how did the OED miss it? Funnyhat (talk) 00:06, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR and SYNTH 

message: "However, as in Canada, "football" refers to soccer if the game is neither Canadian nor American in context." Does anyone have any idea what that is trying to say? --Khajidha (talk) 17:43, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  National usage United States 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified  on Football (word). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090922061544/http://www.nzsoccer.com/plugins/newsfeed.cgi?rm=content&plugin_data_id=12155 to http://www.nzsoccer.com/plugins/newsfeed.cgi?rm=content&plugin_data_id=12155
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.carlow-nationalist.ie/tabId/392/itemId/2418/Irish-inventions-fact-and-fiction.aspx
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070626145855/http://www.icons.org.uk:80/theicons/collection/fa-cup/biography/history-of-football to http://www.icons.org.uk/theicons/collection/fa-cup/biography/history-of-football
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071011180939/http://abc.net.au:80/rn/talks/8.30/sportsf/stories/s566884.htm to http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/sportsf/stories/s566884.htm
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080105043230/http://www.uab.edu:80/english/hone/etexts/edb/day-pages/046-february15.html to http://www.uab.edu/english/hone/etexts/edb/day-pages/046-february15.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130612171338/http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/rugby/articles/they-picked-up-the-ball/ to http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/rugby/articles/they-picked-up-the-ball/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080521000430/http://www.canadasoccer.com:80/eng/about/index.asp to http://www.canadasoccer.com/eng/about/index.asp
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20081208172959/http://www.dcu.ie:80/alumni/summer02/p30.html to http://www.dcu.ie/alumni/summer02/p30.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071119010636/http://skerriesrfc.ie/history.html to http://www.skerriesrfc.ie/history.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20081021203043/http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/show-news.asp?ID=804 to http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/show-news.asp?ID=804
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080417005209/http://www.southafrica.info:80/ess_info/sa_glance/sports/soccer.htm to http://www.southafrica.info/ess_info/sa_glance/sports/soccer.htm
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071209213349/http://observer.guardian.co.uk:80/osm/story/0,,468041,00.html to http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,468041,00.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090216233210/http://www.thesun.co.uk:80/sol/homepage/news/article394082.ece to http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article394082.ece
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20061001230052/http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,543952,00.html to http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,543952,00.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 02:09, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hi, guys! I originally started this whole discussion 14 years ago when Wikipedia had only a few hundred regular contributors. I noticed that "football" meant soccer in British English but American football in American English. So I turned what was then a redirect into the Football page. 
I still think that the term soccer deserves some mention. The delicious irony is that nearly everyone who plays soccer - particularly as a professional sport - calls it "football" (or "footie"). And of course, people who play "football" (er, I mean soccer) are typically called "footballers". 
It is chiefly in America (er, I mean the USA) that the terms "soccer" and "soccer player" are used. Elsewhere - typically overseas and in Latin America, where the bulk of professional play carries on - the terms are "football" and "footballer".
I'd like to see this usage distinguised in the article - not to promote the American English usage, but rather to help my fellow Americans understand how people worldwide refer to the sports and their participants. Thank you for your time. --14:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Soccer and footballers

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 6 external links on Football (word). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://archive.is/20120729154246/http%3A//www.carlow-nationalist.ie/tabId/392/itemId/2418/Irish-inventions-fact-and-fiction.aspx
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070310230159/http://www.footballresearch.com/articles/frpage.cfm?topic=a-to1633 to http://www.footballresearch.com/articles/frpage.cfm?topic=a-to1633
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.dcu.ie/alumni/summer02/p30.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080229145946/http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/sixnations/2008/0220/osullivane.html to http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/sixnations/2008/0220/osullivane.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0%2C%2C468041%2C00.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0%2C%2C543952%2C00.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 20:12, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I'm back after 7 years, and in fine fettle! This article clearly explains what a person means when they say "football". I'm interested in doing it the other way around.
When they're talking about a certain sport, what will they call it? That team sport with the round ball that players move primarily with their feet, what do they call it? And does it depend on where they are? Just because I'm in the United States, I might call it soccer, but people outside of North America (which is 99% of the world, I guess) call it "football".
We don't need an entire new article. I'm thinking about table, Put the sport in the first column, and what it's generally called in the second column. Or something like that. Good idea? --Uncle Ed (talk) 19:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What we call the various sports