Talk:History of Poland (1918–1939)

message: "Independent Poland first of all, and then we will see to its size". No Google hits other then Wikipedia. No Google Print nor Scholar hits. While Zerkalo Nedeli doesn't seem like a very POVed publication, it is classified as a newspaper, not an academic publication, and the current reference does not quote the author. We should try to find a primary source for that - the Zerkalo Nedeli article must surely be based on *something*. English academic source would be preferable, non-English but academic would also be good.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:00, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Piłsudski's quote 

message: All this talk about "Polish Partitions" is a myth concocted by Polish chauvinists in a desperate attempt to portray the oppressive Polish landlords as "helpless victims". During the so-called Polish Partitions, Russia took back land from Poland-Lithuania which had previously been stolen from Kievan Rus which was the first Russian state that existed from 880-1240. In 1349-52, the Polish landlords stole Halicz and Volyn which had Ukrainian population. Meanwhile, the Lithuanians stole Polotsk, Turov-Pinsk, Chernaia Rus, and Vokovysk. In mid 1300s, Minsk, eastern Volyn, Podolia, and Kiev were stolen by Lithuania. Vytatus annexed lands Deniepr and Dnester as far as the Black Sea as well as Smolensk, Viazma and the area around the upper course of Oka River in the east. Therefore, "Polish partitions" as far as Russia is concerned resulted in White Russian and Little Russian (Ukrainian) territory being liberated from the Polish thieves. Jacob Peters
:Yes, that's quite amusing. Now, please familiarize yourself with WP:NPOV and related policies.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  00:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:CIV and releated policies do apply here, and if you persist in calling names like 'Polish thieves' you may be blocked for uncivility. And don't expet people to engage in any debate with you unless you provide sources for those very controversial and offensivly-framed arguments, as per WP:DFTT.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  14:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Jacob, your effort in rewriting history may seem amusing, but Wikipedia is not a place for original research. If you can not or do not want to adhere to WP:NPOV please try at least to observe WP:CIV as you've been asked above. --Lysytalk 18:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I've checked both web pages that you list above and they both mention partitions of Poland, contradicting your claims. What's your point ? And what does the ethnicity and religion of the peoples living there have to do with it ? --Lysytalk 22:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't waste your time, Lysy.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Polish thieves sounds so ugly. It is definately offensive and wrong to say so. There are plenty of neutral terms that are much more befitting - Polish imperialists or, perhaps, Polish agressors. After all, Churchill, a man who praised Polish bravery, didn't hesitate to call Poland a "hyena" because of it's foreign policies... Ko Soi IX 23:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disgusting Polish Chauvinist POV

message: Under the guise of combating communism, most Belorussian schools were closed, and publications in the Belorussian language were banned. The government encouraged ethnic Poles (see Glossary) to settle in the Belorussian region, but at the same time it neglected the overall economic development of the area. The Belorussian region became an agricultural appendage to a more industrialized Poland, and unemployment and land hunger were widespread. Between 1925 and 1938, some 78,000 people emigrated from this part of Poland in search of work, mainly to France and Latin America. In 1935 Poland declared that it would no longer be bound by the League of Nations treaty on ethnic minorities, arguing that its own laws were adequate. That same year, many Belorussians in Poland who opposed the government's policies were placed in a concentration camp at Byaroza-Kartuzski (Bereza Kartuska, in Polish). The Belorussians lost their last seat in the Polish Sejm in the general elections of 1935, and the legislation that guaranteed the right of minority communities to have their own schools was repealed in November 1938. The state then involved itself more deeply in religion by attempting to Polonize the Orthodox Church and subordinate it to the government. 
:I have moved the anon's contribution here, as 1) it replaced other text w/out explaining the reason for it 2) the reference is substandard, i.e. very vulnerable to link rot ('Do NOT bookmark these search results. Search results are stored in a TEMPORARY file for display purposes. The temporary file will be purged from our system in a few hours.') and 3) this belongs in the article on historical demographics of Poland which deals with historical minorities in Poland - or Belarusian minority in Poland (which we need to write one of those days). Last but not least, referring to Detention Camp Bereza Kartuska camp as 'concentration camp' is rather POVed.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  21:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no abuse of Red Army soldiers in Polish prisons.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  08:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copied from main

message: An anon seems to be vandalising several articles on Polish history, including this one.--Molobo (talk) 21:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon vandalises the articles 

message: Detailed map of 1918 ethnic situation, replaced innacurate map.--Molobo (talk) 03:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added 

message: The international relations part is written more like a fairy-tale than Wiki article. Moreover it writes down things, which are not cited and are commented in other history related articles as rumours. (i.e. Pilskudsik's proposal to attack Germany after Hitler's rise to power).
This "Shortly afterwards, Hitler came to power. The marshal knew immediately what was coming, and thus proposed that Poland join forces with France and launch a preemptive strike against Germany. The horrified French refused, and so Pilsudski began to write them off as a useless ally. He had no choice but to sign a nonaggression pact with Berlin the following year. After his death in 1935, defense minister Jozef Beck called for Britain and France to both assist in a preemptive attack, but again got nowhere with the idea. At the same time, Czechoslovakia, Romania, and Yugoslavia were allied in the Little Entente. Polish membership there could have provided additional security, however relations with Prague were unfriendly due to border disputes and so that never went anywhere." is one big pile of s**t. Can some polish HISTORIAN do something with that? Poland has great history, but unless we are ready to acknowledge the mistakes which were made, the nation itself will be condemned to repeat them. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 19:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fairy f***ing tale 

message: The title "From democracy to..." is really funny. Yes Poland was a democracy en 1919, yes, power to the people and all that, mein Gott, what kind of things must one read here. It remainds me of 1984, when history was rewritten all the time. After reading these poland articles one alien could ask him/herself, how it happened that they did not defeated Germany and the Soviet Union, and Japan, and any other country, all combined? This country was soooo strong, with a sooooo well established and fair democracy....  Come'on  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.252.72.61 (talk) 15:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  From what to what 

message: Please do not attempt to significantly change the content of this article without discussion. There are basic policy/guidelines which need to be considered here, including WP:NEUTRALITY, WP:COATRACK and most certainly WP:RS. Each new paragraph needs to be confirmed with reliable source material at least once, or more than once. April 2013 edits lack attribution and appear negative and/or unencyclopedic. All this needs to be confirmed via consensus. Copy-pasting within Wikipedia without third-party WP:reliable sources is against policy and it will be dealt with accordingly, because  WP:Wikipedia is not a reliable source by itself. All new text and its usefulness (or lack of thereof), needs to be confirmed every time. WP:Neutrality is a major issue here. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 04:08, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  April 2013‎ 

message: I reverted, as this edit broke the citation - attributing content to some other book. Furthermore, the claim that a journal article in the The Journal of Modern History by a tenured professor at a major US research university is "extreme" or "not mainstream" - as stated in the edit summary, is laughable. In any event, while we could say this as a fact (with additional supporting refs - e.g. Cymet, David. "Polish state antisemitism as a major factor leading to the Holocaust." Journal of Genocide Research 1.2 (1999): 169-212.) - this is attributed to Hagen in any event so should not be contentious. Please provide sources for your assertions, and furthermore - please don't break citations.Icewhiz (talk) 16:45, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry this is a very cherry picked statement from a much wider analysis.While I do not dispute that Hagen is reliable source, claim that Poland was like Nazi Germany is a very extreme statement that is not shared by mainstream history.Btw David Cymet in the opening line of your source states the same more or less.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 21:26, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

text: I checked the source, and it simply does not tell that "Polish Jews were threatened with conditions similar to those in Nazi Germany". My very best wishes (talk) 00:00, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read again -- Page 375: . William W. Hagen is a mainstream historian, and there's nothing particular extreme here in the comparison (Second Republic in 1939 vs. Germany at some earlier point) - The regime in the Second Republic at this stage (1937-1939) treated the "Jewish Question" as a priority, and: . Icewhiz (talk) 06:05, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: I removed unsourced/manipulated information reintroduced by what appears to be a "sock" account. 
The source allegedly states - But the possible sock account reintroduced text that states: . OZON began’ drafting not' Polish parliament drafted. This is a cherry-picked source, and the information has been manipulated, hence removed.GizzyCatBella🍁 10:01, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a matter of interpretation, not outright vandalism. How the hell is this not a violation of your T-ban? François Robere (talk) 11:51, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:BANREVERT is I think exempt from topic bans, and it's another Ice's&co WP:DUCK. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 18:07, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: @Piotr, it's a not a TP violation [it’s History of Poland (1918–1939)] even though it was a WP:BANREVERT. On top of that, TP matter shouldn't be brought here (and in such a hostile manner!)GizzyCatBella🍁 18:32, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

text:  If SPI follows through, maybe. But I'm uncomfortable with any banned editor continuing to haunt the TA from which they were banned - if they think content needs to be modified, there are other ways to do it. François Robere (talk) 19:05, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: With that, I agree. Please be careful to avoid TB violations. Btw, FR, what "other ways to do it" are there? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:30, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: 1938 Poland laws and 1935 Nazi Germany laws

message: It seems I can't edit this article, but in the following, "lead" should be "led":
"... which lead thousands of people to flee the German advance and made military maneuver difficult"
Michael Hurwicz (talk) 00:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: (KIENGIR (talk) 21:57, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past tense of "lead" is "led" 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1918%E2%80%931939)#Minorities has a typo ("f>") at the end, seems like a ref tag gone wrong. Someone who can edit please fix. Hawks  12:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thanks - GizzyCatBella🍁 12:55, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo in the Minorities Section 

message: See:
*First Polish Republic
*Second Polish Republic
*French Fourth Republic
*French Fifth Republic
Similarily, articles History of Poland (1918-1939), History of Poland (1939-1945), History of Poland (1945-1989) etc. should be moved into articles named: Poland in the Interwar period, Poland in WW2, Poland in the Cold War etc. or perhaps one big "Poland in the 20th century" article should be created along with one for the Third Polish Republic, describing the current regime, how it formed etc. See: France in the 20th century
*
79.191.227.130 (talk) 07:32, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request move: History of Poland (1989-present) to Third Polish Republic and so on