Talk:Communion (Koinonia/Christian Fellowship)

message: Communion, Christian meaning article was created recently, I moved to Community (Christian) based on statement that it relates to koinonia κοινωνία maybe merge with Communion of Saints? Has cleanup and merge notices --> needs work. Paul foord 14:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
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message: I have a question concerning the number of times it's used in the NT.  The Koinokia page quotes it as 19 times in most Greek NTs, while this page quotes it as 43 verses.  Is that perhaps because it's used multiple times in a verse?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.33.133.183 (talk) 19:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The noun κοινωνία (koinonia) presumably appears 19 time in the New Testament.  This article lists instances not only of that word but also of its adjectival and verbal forms ("having communion" and "to have communion").  Esoglou (talk) 20:32, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
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message: Per the comment immediately above at the end of the RM, I have added a notability tag.  Where are the sources for this?  Citing some would be good.  Dicklyon (talk) 01:02, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand on what grounds the notability of an idea that is so widely discussed can be questioned.  The two inline citations (about the origin of the term and about the range of meanings of the Greek word κοινωνία) that MicroX commented on are unrelated to the notability of the idea.  There is no point in counting Google hits for the single word "communion", but perhaps there is in seeing what publications come up in a Google Books search for phrases such as "idea of communion" and "communion between churches".  Esoglou (talk) 07:53, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: There is some wording in the Aspects section which appears suspect. First I will quote the passage in question, then relate the two following verses:
quote, "This relationship is generally understood to extend not only to those still in earthly life, but also to those who have gone past death to be "at home with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:8)."
1 Corinthians 15:31 - "I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily."
2 Corinthians 5:8 - "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
These verses are necessarily talking about what the symbolism of baptism has done for us, dying to the flesh and rising in the spirit through living by faith (1 Peter 3:21). We call down and carry the Holy Spirit by renewing our minds daily with prayer and study (Romans 12:2, 2 Timothy 2:15); this allows us to live obediently after the example of Christ instead of as slaves to sin. Additionally - unless we are one of the 24 translated elders (Revelation 4:10-11) - our spirit beyond death does not go "home with the Lord" until the resurrection (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 20:4-5); rather, evidence points to the dead knowing nothing and sleeping while in the grave (Daniel 12:2, John 11:11-24, Ecclesiastes 9:5). It's a bit silly to think that when we die our spirit goes to Heaven, then at the resurrection we get taken from Heaven and put back in our bodies so that we can go back to Heaven. When Jesus ascended to the Father, He took His body with Him; when the elders were translated, they likewise took their bodies with them (Genesis 5:24, 2 Kings 2:11, Hebrews 11:5). Our dry bones are made a living soul only when we have breath in our nostrils (Genesis 2:7, Ezekiel 37:4-6).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vapur9 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement in the article is about how the communion of saints is generally understood, not about the correctness or otherwise of this general understanding.  The statement is securely sourced and I have rephrased it to make it yet clearer.  Esoglou (talk) 18:54, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aspects 

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