Talk:Tomislav Sunić

message: My edits were re-written by an anonymous editor so I am starting this talk page.
1) I am assuming that the editor objected to my characterization of Dr. Sunic's views as "anti-immigrant" so I have removed any characterization of his views and let them speak for themselves.
2) I also removed the new qualiyfing language about the two cited groups where Dr. Sunic expressed his views:
-- The National Alliance has an undisputed Wikipedia article on this group that characterizes it as "white separatist" and "white nationalist" which I have cited. I think there is no question that these are positions consistent with the use of the term "far right extremism." It makes no sense to qualify this term with adjectives such as "some people consider to be" since this is a truism. If expert references for this classification are needed, I will provide them.
-- The NPD in Germany is classified by the German government as right-wing extremist and close in views to Nazism and I have re-written the section to indicate this.
However, I did add the qualification that the characterization of these groups as "Far Right Extremist" is made by critics, governments, and NGO's. I could add scholars but lets see how this works out. Of course, the groups themselves and their supporters object o to this term but that goes without saying and is noted in the Wikipedia articles on this subject which are linked to.
3) I removed the language that asserted without evidence that Dr. Sunic was motivated by his "concern to preserve European peoples and their traditions." If this is how Dr. Sunic views himself, then we need some references for this. Also the assertion that that the National Alliance and NPD are classified as rightwing extremist because of their corresponding concern is not supported by any evidence nor by the existing Wikipedia articles on these groups. All evidence suggested they are so-classified because of the views which they espouse.
3) I also have removed the addition of the term "Revisionism" to that of "Holocaust Denial." The Wikipedia article on Holocaust Denial already explains that Holocaust deniers prefer the use of this term and that scholars refers to this movement as "Holocaust Denial." Therefore, it is unecessary to add the term "Revisionism."
Sgmiller 19:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Extremism

message: I just did a search of both FACTIVA and LEXIS/NEXIS for anything written under the name Tomislav Sunic or Tom Sunic and there was nothing found for the Wall Street Journal, Le Monde, or the Frankfurter Allgemeine. In fact , other than numerous "letters to the editor", I could find nothing writtten by Mr Sunic in any major newspaper or magazine. The databases cover these publications beginning in 1979-81, so it is possible, although unlikely given his age, that something was written before those years. So, until such time that it can be referenced, I have removed the statement that Dr. Sunic has written for the above publications.
Sgmiller 08:27 1 June 2007 (UTC) sgmiller
Mister S G Miller,
since you are absolutely biased, there is no point to discuss anything with you.
There is more than obviously, that you hate Mr. Tom Sunic, and you found him guilty in all points of Your accusations.
You go so far, that even his job as translator in Algiers is a "magnum crimen" , as well everything else in his life, after Your opinion.
His (Tom Sunic's) biography in Wikipedia is more certain and true, more just, than the biographies of following mass murders  of native American and slave owners:
-George Washington, 
-John Adams.
-Benjamin Franklin,
-Thomas Jefferson.
Tom Sunic's position toward Jews in not scientifically sustainable,  but less unmoral than CNN News.
I do know Mr.Tomislav Sunic for over 25 years, and I don't share his opinions, but I can't accept hate as motive to write about him.
Ivan Vule Fridman
Basel, Switzerland  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.217.156.73 (talk) 19:48, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: claims about articles deleted

message: I reformatted the article to put in proper footnotes and also indicated in the references section where references are needed. I will wait for a bit for such references but will remove the associated material if they are not provided because I cannot find anything on these subjects. I also added a "Speaking Appearances" section and move some of the opening material to this section.
Sgmiller 13:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, since no references have been forthcoming, I am removing the corresponding statements.  Sgmiller 11:30, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References Needed

message: This article is strongly biased. Saying that Sunic has been "mildly critical of Jewry" is a gross understatement in itself, but then the article attempts to convince the reader that Sunic's dislike of Jews is justified. This, of course, is a editorializing and a blatant POV violation. The article itself appears to be written from an anti-Jewish and pro-fascist POV.
The article desperately needs some work by someone who is familiar with anti-Semitism-related topics. Stonemason89 (talk) 01:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My thoughts exactly. Josh (talk) 09:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Extremely POV

message: I replaced the "White Supremacist" epithet with a more neutral designation: "White Advocate". The Anti-Defamation League is a partisan "watchdog" organization which is far from being a neutral source. Yet, even it only claims that he's "collaborated" with White Supremacists, so the source doesn't even support the argument if one accepts the ADL as a source.
An additional complication is that one of the other sources provided in this article has him directly contradicting racial supremacism in his own words.
http://theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Sunic-Identity.html
"Even more importantly, White people must explicitly accept a White identity. This explicit White identity does not imply that Whites are superior to other peoples or that other peoples are not also unique and have a right to maintain their uniqueness. It merely states that we are a unique people with a unique culture and that both our people and our culture are worth preserving."
Can somebody source him actually promoting White superiority or domination over non-Whites? The man has days worth of podcasts and books worth of material freely available online, so it should be easy to do if that's indeed the case.
--Wikitopian (talk) 14:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: White Supremacist?

message: I have updated the Views so that it contains most of the information presented before, but provides it in a more readable and topical manner.
This sub-section is entitled "views", not "links". It’s biased and off-topic to begin a paragraph purporting to portray his views with a list of controversial people and groups he’s linked to. It would be like beginning an article about Obama with "Obama has long collaborated with left-wing terrorists Bill Ayers and attended a church organized by an explicitly racial and anti-American organization."
While some sources could be whipped up to "source" those claims and provide a fig leaf of legitimacy to them, it’s quite obvious that the intent of the hypothetical paragraph is to bias the reader against the subject.
--Wikitopian (talk) 18:09, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Rearrange Views

message: Regarding this edit: the source is a television interview, which - for the purposes of WP:BLP - is close to being a self-published source. Since names of living people in this context are both irrelevant and WP:BLP-problematic, they are best left out. GregorB (talk) 12:33, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  A BLP issue 

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