Talk:Sugar beet

message: "... By 1837, France was the largest sugar beet producer in the world, a position it continued to hold in the world in 2010. By 1837, there were 542 factories in France, producing 35,000 tonnes of sugar. By 1880, Germany became the largest sugar beet to sugar producer in the world.[7]..."
Do you mean France was the biggest producer of the sugar beet as a crop while Germany had the largest processed sugar output from its factories? Rewriting of this sentence may do good to make it clear.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.143.204 (talk) 14:59, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who was the biggest producer? 

message: Ukraine is a country in Europe, the sentence makes no sense. Like saying "USA and California". /Grillo 10:00, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, that does not make sense at all. I guess Europe meant to be EU. Solarapex 17:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Europe and Ukraine"??? 

message: Can you cook and eat sugar beets? Or do they not taste good? Are they sweeter then regular beets? 71.199.123.24 06:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They cook into a brownish green/black mush that you can cook with fresh water into Molasses and then into syrup and brown sugar that will crystallize on the rim.  It will stink like hell!!  And molasses and the homemade syrup contain bitter substances that are not everyone's cup of tea.  --76.97.245.5 (talk) 07:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My grandmother was born in what's now Ukraine, near Kyiv, and was brought to the US as a baby.  When I was young, she told me that she'd learned from her Grandmother that the family had lived in Sugar Beet country, and that during the harvest, they'd bake the beets and eat them as a desert as they came out with a pudding-like texture.  JDZeff (talk) 19:34, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Must be a different variety from the ones we get in the UK. I chop them up, boil them for 15 minutes and eat them as a vegetable. Although they look rather like parsnips they aren't floury but have a firm flesh like beetroot. They taste like beetroot too but are much sweeter. They don't turn into a mush and don't smell at all. Maybe they would if I cooked them a lot longer. However, while the current crop around here is very tasty, they can be tough and fibrous. That may depend on the variety or whether they have completed their growing season. See also http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?LatinName=Beta+vulgaris+altissima Brumel (talk) 09:48, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can you cook and eat them? 

message: There should be something about the subsidies of sugar beet production in the EU. They were either severely curtailed, or ended, such that a decision was taken in Ireland to end the entire sugar beet production in the country in 2006.
So sad, Siucra (Irish sugar brand omnipresent in Ireland, and "sugar" in the Irish language) will just be imported now. More pollution from shipping goods from abroad. Woohoo!
zoney  ♣ talk 22:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it's a trade-off - less pollution form the more energy intensive processing of sugar beet cf sugar cane; more money to third world producers, less agricultural subsidies paid out by EU taxpayers etc... Lisiate 01:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sugar beet processing is extremely fuel efficient; energy costs dictate this. Beet is important as a root crop in a arable rotation cycle and the byproducts can be used as animal feed. Lime waste is used to improve soils. Farm subsidies are a complex issue but have their use. GraemeLeggett 08:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

text: A similar thing happened in Canada.  Many beet piling stations are now converted to lots to build manufactured homes, and most of the plants dismantaled for scrapmetal.-JWGreen 04:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subsidies in the EU 

message: Use of sugarbeet pulp as cattle feed is mentioned. I would like to know if whole beet is used as cattle feed. What is the experience in using whole beet as cattle feed. Pros and cones of using whole beet as cattle feed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.8.137.178 (talk) 11:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sugarbeet, use as cattle feed 

message: Which is a better crop in terms of work needed to cultivate to suger output? I hope thats sensical.--Doom Child 01:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't grow cane in the same locations as beets so the question doesn't make all that much sense. 76.97.245.5 (talk) 07:49, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sugar Beets Vs Suger Cane 

message: I recommend against including the names of heads of USDA research stations, as they may be temporary and reassigned. There are not links to the stations themselves.--Parkwells (talk) 19:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Last paragraph - names

message: I have seen two types of liquid plant foods that contain sugar beet as an ingredient. Anybody got any info on this that can go in the article? Campestre (talk) 19:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find any definitive source, but I am guessing that the fertilizer uses byproducts of the sugar processing as a base for the fertilizer. -JWGreen (talk) 21:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See Vinasse 76.97.245.5 (talk) 07:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use in fertilisers 

message: This statement should be reworded or removed.  In the Netherlands this period is known as "de bietencampagne", a time to be careful when driving local roads in the area the beets are grown. The reason for this is the naturally high clay content of the soil, causing slippery roads when soil falls from the trailers during transport. In Germany  this period is known as Zuckerrübenkampagne requires just as careful driving as in the Netherlands because the roads don't get any less slippery than there.  I bet other European nations have terms for the period in their own languages and dirty roads are not that uncommon with this type of crop.  We could rephrase it more generally and leave out the Dutch name or add a list of local names in various languages at the bottom.  
* Comments or suggestions, please  76.97.245.5 (talk) 07:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement too localized 

message: I would recommned this be removed as it stopped production some years ago and has now been demolished  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.184.49 (talk) 20:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of the Shropshire Sugar Beet Factory 

message: Should a section be added on the use of Sugar Beet syrup to de-ice roads? Aristotle28 (talk) 01:25, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Road De-Icing? 

message: I have heard that cane sugar tastes different to some people and has different properties when caramelizing or baking. A quick google turns up <http://www.home-ec101.com/beet-sugar-v-cane-sugar-august-2010/>, although that's not a primary source. Will someone who knows the facts add them to the article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.167.150.33 (talk) 21:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: How is http://www.sfgate.com/recipes/article/SUGAR-SUGAR-Cane-and-beet-share-the-same-2939081.php for a source? 207.237.218.17 (talk) 07:05, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beet sugar vs cane sugar: taste and cooking properties 

message: There's a whole section in the article called "Glyphosate". In practice, this means Monsanto's Roundup herbicide.
:: False statement.  Glyphosate is now off patent and is made by hundreds of companies.Jytdog (talk) 21:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The most striking finding is that GM crops have been responsible for an increase of 383 million pounds of herbicide use in the U.S. over the first 13 years of commercial use of GM crops (1996-2008).report gm pesticide use
I'm wondering whether one could take a close look at the "Glyphosate" section, and find out whether this is a mere description of the facts, or a company PR exercise.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.225.212.147 (talk) 08:52, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monsanto Roundup 

message: The article states that sugar beets need a lot of "plant food". I suppose that means fertilizer (but which kind? e.g. more or less rich in potassium?), but the wording is strange... it doesn't seem like such a good idea to copy the text verbatim from Rolph's book. And the text is somewhat self-contradictory, listing the property of retaining a great deal of moisture along the "most important requirement" (shouldn't that be "requirements", looking at the structure of the sentence?), and then stating that "the physical character is of secondary importance". Don't you think that a property of retaining a great deal of moisture is part of the physical character of a soil? Icek (talk) 19:19, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soil 

message: According to the rules of Wikipedia, I don't see how monsanto.com can be used as a reliable source of information? (or any other company for that manner)
"most reliable sources are: peer-reviewed journals; books published by university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources
:: A company's website is often the best source of information about a given product especially if it is simple factual information.  There is no bar to using it for that sort of thing.  For more elaborate, evaluative statements, still OK but is best balanced by other sources.  The main point is that a normal sane person who said "really?" or "i would like to know more about that" can go to the source to verify or learn more.. and that should be a source that a normal, sane person would find a useful source of information.  Again, marketing material saying how great a product would not be credible, but simple factual information would be, to most people.Jytdog (talk) 21:20, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  You have already removed them.  Bad form to remove them and then ask if it is OK.  By the way in general if you can find better (for example, more believable, more objective, more detailed) sources than ones that are already on the page you are always free to add them and even to replace poorer sources with better ones.Jytdog (talk) 21:20, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I removed some but not all. I removed the ones that were blatantly (potentially) biased. Perhaps more should go, but I understand your point above, although apart from facts like we sell xyz for xx$, company websites very quickly start praising their product or service (as one would naturally expect). Plmoknqwerty (talk) 10:53, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

text: What specific issue do you have with these sources?--Asher196 (talk) 15:11, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Companies and even government linked agencies tend to be propagandist and therefore not a reliable source. Plmoknqwerty (talk) 10:53, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

text: I went through the article and reviewed sourcing.   Some of it was indeed bad IMO.  Fixed some.  Needs more work.Jytdog (talk) 04:07, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is that it does not follow the rules of Wikipedia. I think the rules are there to stop companies promoting themselves and providing biased information. Unfortunately, that is what this article does to quite a large extent. Even government agencies nowadays are highly influenced by multinational companies and therefore them as a reliable source is also questionable. Plmoknqwerty (talk) 10:53, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monsanto as a source?! 

message: Where did sugar beets originate from?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.160.225.169 (talk) 11:18, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plant origins 

message: The map image "Sugar beet output in 2009" is misleading. It appears to indicate that the US sugar beet production is centered around the East Coast, although it is in fact predominately Northern. The map should be corrected or removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpareShoes (talk • contribs) 03:35, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There is only one map this one.  It shows no sugar beet production on the East coast -- it is all on the upper great plains.  Not sure what your objection is.... Jytdog (talk) 10:05, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading Map 

message: The fact that this plant is successfully grown in Wisconsin, California, England, Poland and Turkey surely makes the statement that it requires a "unique climate" to be completely nonsense.  It has some specific climatic requirements,  but those criteria can be met with a wide range of climate types  and not some specific "unique" climate. Tallewang (talk) 20:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unique climate ? 

message: In the History|United States section, there is this phrase "...the foul tasting free sugar from Asia".  What does this refer to?  What does "free" mean? 101.117.12.165 (talk) 06:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: that is a great question - thanks for asking!  The source provided explains that "Free sugar" was made from sugar cane grown without slavery (kind of like we talk about "Fair trade coffee" and the like today).  The source also says that it tasted "awful".  The source doesn't say why.  I found this ref (http://www.cambridge.org/us/books/kiple/sugar.htm) that says that at that time, sugar was often contaminated by sea water during long ocean voyages;  could also be because it was not fully refined and still had molasses in it.  Not clear why. Jytdog (talk) 09:12, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  what is this? 

message: What area or areas do you think are overcovered? AIRcorn (talk) 22:06, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The section "Culture" seems to only reference US examples. →AzaToth 16:09, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overcoverage 

message: Both Japan and Korean are large producers. 
Apparently up to 75% of Japanese Sugar is produced from Sugar Beets. 82.30.84.177 (talk) 11:02, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article neglects its import in Asian Far East... 

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message: Creation was tagged in 2014, with a note that there is a discussion here. I see no discussion? Is there one here? What is the problem? If none, can tag be removed? Telecine Guy (talk) 02:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. — SpikeToronto 02:37, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Creation

message: Both the Manglewurzel and Sugar Beet claim this as their full name, but the intro to manglewurzel indicates they are distinct. Can someone please clarify this?
: The full name of Sugar beet is "Beta vulgaris subsp. vulgaris Altissima Group". The full name of Mangelwurzel is "Beta vulgaris subsp. vulgaris Crassa Group". Both are different cultivars of the  subsp. vulgaris.. Kind regards, --Thiotrix (talk) 16:58, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beta Vulgaris v.vulgaris? 

message: By the 1850s, sugar beet production had reached Russia and Ukraine. This was made possible by the protection of the sugar beet industry by bounties, or subsidies, paid to beet sugar producers upon the export of their sugar by their respective governments
Totally misleading PC crap. Effective 1850s, Ukraine IS Russia. More, it does not have any separate "government".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Антон васильков (talk • contribs) 19:44, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukraine? 

message: I plan to create a page called Beet sugar factory. It would be the logical place for the whole section about producing sugar from sugar beets. This also goes for the by-products that are made in such a sugar factory. However,  I'll first update the section as it is on this page.Grieg2 (talk) 20:18, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move section about producing sugar from sugar beets