Talk:Cromwell tank

message: Was it named for Oliver Cromwell or Thomas Cromwell or someone else? And if Oliver, how'd it happen the name was changed from Cavalier to the leader of the Roundheads? -- orthogonal 12:26, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Covenanter was *smaller* than the Crusader, although both were developed at the same time and shared the same turret design. DMorpheus 19:53, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  It would be Oliver as Thomas wasn't a fighting man. The "C" names all have a martial air to them, Churchill can also be taken as referring to the Duke of Marlborough and weren't picked with any particular party sensibility. GraemeLeggett 08:12, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

text:  It would be inconcievable that the tank is named after anyone else other than Oliver Cromwell.  British military designs are only rarely named after real characters and then they would be from an elite few of great military commanders such as Wellington, Churchill, or Cromwell.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.5.25 (talk) 01:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The clue is in 'civil wars' - British tanks for a period were named after personalities or things with a connection with the English Civil War, US-built tanks after American Civil War ones. That BTW, is why the Churchill tank was almost certainly named after this Winston Churchill and not the later one.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.173.13 (talk) 10:49, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose the clue is in "C" means "Cruiser", so all Cruiser tanks from Covenanter through Chieftain have C, Challenger among them. Rémy Lenôtre (talk) 23:08, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of name

message: I'm not happy with the current image "Cromwell tank color.JPG". 
*Main gun - although the muzzle looks right it appears to be welded solid onto the front of the turret and lacks the co-axial Besa MG
*Hull machine gun - a metal tube too long and fat for to be a Besa MG.
We need a better piccie for the article than this one - if we have to stick with it for the moment it should at least  have some appropiate commentary added. GraemeLeggett 11:54, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chice of image to illustrate 

message: I need to know a lot about this tank. Please tell me what you know.
:I'm pretty sure the bulk of what we can tell you is already in the article, with additional material on the external links.  If that's not sufficient, you'll probably need to borrow or purchase a book on it. Oberiko 01:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help 

message: Would it be of value, with quite rare armour such as this, if we had a subsection entitled surviving vehicles where a list of known tanks could be seen.--Gaspode the Wonder Dog 17:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose it depends on the number of them.  If there are under ten, then it could contribute, but to much more then that and it starts overwhelming the article.  The best solution would be to post a link to an external site which contains such information. Oberiko 23:33, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree about the danger of overwhelming the article but on the other hand the sites that list surviving tanks are always lacking in detail and invariably incomplete. I think that this is just the sort of thing Wikipedia is good at. Worst case scenario if they got too big they could make their own page. Unless there’s any strong objections I’ll give it a try and see who it works for the Cromwell.--Gaspode the Wonder Dog 08:38, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The armour world appears to lack a website as effective as britishaircraft.co.uk for listing survivors.GraemeLeggett 09:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Surviving vehicles?

message: >The Cromwell was the fastest tank to serve in WW2
IS the word 'British' missed there ?
60 kmph cannot be the fastest tank! Just compare it to BT-7
:The BT-7 maximum speed is running on roadwheels with tracks off; its more of an armoured car then.GraemeLeggett 10:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IIRC, the early Cromwells would do 40 mph on the road, but this was found to be too much for the tracks and suspension, so subsequent vehicles were governed down to IIARC ~32 mph.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.147.13 (talk) 17:41, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

text: We really should add "in LATE WW2". Crusader OP was the fastest AFV, so even among British tanks there are a competition. Rémy Lenôtre (talk) 23:11, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  fastest ??? 

message: From Moshe Givati - In their hands the steel was tempered [MoD 1998, p 20-21, 42]: Haganah members persuaded four British soldiers to desert with four Cromwell tanks; those were the last tanks that remained in a tank battalion camp in Haifa airport. On night 29/30 June 1948 three tanks were stolen (the engine of the fourth one didn't start); one got stuck in sand and was abandoned; the remaining two (Mk III and Mk IV) were brought to the Borochov neighborhood of Givatayim and hidden there from the British. The tanks were assigned to the 8th Armored Brigade (82th battalion, heavy tanks company) before Operation Danny (July 1948). The tanks were used in that operation, including an unsuccessful attack on Latrun on 18 July, and in some subsequent operations.
According to Oleg Granovskiy - Names, Designations and Service Figures of IDF Armored Vehicles (Russian; http://www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/Armor/1948-1952_tanks.html), the tanks were retired in 1952.
The Armored Corps Museum in Latrun (Yad la-Shiryon) has two Cromwells: one with dummy gun :Image:Cromwell-latrun-2.jpg and other :Image:Cromwell-latrun-memorial-1.jpg which is a part of the WWII memorial along with Sherman and T-34-85 :Image:WWII-Memorial-latrun-1.jpg. Wheteher these are the "original" two, I don't know. Bukvoed 10:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cromwell in the IDF

message: Being that this is a British vehicle, shouldn't the units be in metric first, and imperial second? Oberiko 13:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're known as Imperial units for a reason, and the UK hasn't quite gone wholly metric yet. GraemeLeggett 14:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe, but they're officially metric and it looks like most other British vehicles have metric before imperial. Oberiko 17:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Back in WW2 the British were still imperial, having imperial makes it a lot cleaner (as the vehicles were designed as imperial, rather than 2.5cm it would be 1 inch. (213.167.69.4 (talk) 10:08, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

text: Why does the era matter?  When we describe the Gladius, we don't use Roman units.  I'll take it to the Military History task force though, and get their input. Oberiko 18:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've posted the question here. Oberiko 18:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've removed the break as this question had become disconnected from the earlier discussion. Lkchild (talk) 22:39, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Imperial / metric

message: Does anyone know why the centaur's turret was calibrated? I never understood that. --MKnight9989 13:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The painted calibration marks on the turrets of RMASG Centaurs and Shermans were used to adjust deflection when fire was being adjusted by an observer outside the tank. DMorpheus 13:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  odd 

message: Can someone PLEASE change the picture - It's completely the wrong tank , the photographed one being a Israeli jerry-rig if anything at all, and does not represent any Cromwell that operated in Western Europe during WW2.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.202.204 (talk) 11:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of Picture 

message: This non tank enthusiast has been unable to work out what the difference is. Does the main article need clarification?
212.159.44.170 (talk) 14:17, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Having read the introductory paragraphs, I can see its definitely not clear. I've tried to address the issue, perhaps someone else can build on it. GraemeLeggett (talk) 16:25, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added more today, showing development, and including a section on design differences between the two. Lkchild (talk) 22:36, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cromwell/Centaur 

message: If one puts a search for [Cromwell tank] into Google this article is returned as the first item in the list but its entry is not very friendly:
:"Tank, Cruiser, Mk VIII, Cromwell (A27M), and the related Centaur (A27L) tank, were one of the most successful series of cruiser tanks fielded by Britain in the".
The lead would be much better if it used the common name and reserved the details for further down the lead. The Google search would then return:
:"The Cromwell Tank was one of the most successful series of cruiser tanks fielded by Britain in the Second World War." 
The details such as its official name, or whatever "Tank, Cruiser, Mk VIII, Cromwell (A27M)" is meant to be, can appear later in the lead, it does not have to be in the first sentence.
-- PBS (talk) 12:03, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've amended the initial paragraphs for ease of reading, which has changed some of the above, but hopefully reads better now. Lkchild (talk) 17:12, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good work over the past few days in giving the article some maintenance. Regards Irondome (talk) 17:15, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unhelpful first sentence. 

message: In #Cromwell and Centaur differences, there is a sentence added in this edit that I don't understand.  It starts with "By comparison, Cavalier can easily be determined...".  I don't know what it means to determine the Cavalier.  Is there a word missing?  I think it's just a simple typo, but I'm at a loss to know what.  Hopefully  can easily solve this and rescue what looks like good info.  Sorry if it's obvious to everyone else.  --A D Monroe III (talk) 14:38, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: "identified" or "distinguished" might be clearer. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:13, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: good call both of you, I've made the change to "identified".  I may have a picture to upload to illustrate the difference.  Lkchild (talk) 21:24, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cavalier can be determined"? 

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message: I have the book and page 20 doesn't mention anything from this paragraph "In June 1944, the Cromwell saw action during Operation Overlord, the Allied invasion of Normandy. It had a mixed reception by crews, being faster, with a lower profile and thicker frontal armour plate than the Sherman tank, but also being smaller and more cramped. Cromwell had 3 in (76 mm) of frontal armour compared with 2 in (51 mm) on the glacis of the early Shermans, though it was unsloped and hence less effective in head-on combat." In fact, it doesn't seem to mention the Cromwell at all. I suggest we at least remove the citation. Thoughts? MaxRavenclaw (talk) 21:18, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing how nobody replied to this since January, to the point where I forgot about it too, and nothing has changed, I'll edit that part and add a proper citation myself. MaxRavenclaw (talk) 18:49, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference 15 (Jentz, Thomas; Doyle, Hilary (1993). Tiger 1 Heavy Tank 1942-45. Osprey Publishing. p. 20.) 

message: Tankfest says that have one converted from Dozer version back to gun tank. Is this one from our existing list (perhaps one of the isle of wight ones) or a new one that's popped up:
https://tankmuseum.org/article/centaur-iii-to-run-at-tankfest-2023
©Geni (talk) 15:43, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Bannister collection example