Talk:Yechi

message: *I've done my share now for a start. IZAK 10:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer review

message: Hello: The above comments look confusing. If they are from one person who is writing them, please keep the comments in a tighter formation so that they don't appear like a few people are making comments at once. If it's more than one person writing, then please use the four tildes ~~~~ after each comment that you write. Thanks for your understanding. IZAK 10:02, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Please keep comments together and sign them

message: I have made the following changes
* "is the messiah." to "will be the messiah when he comes.", because they are saying cheskas moshiach not moshiach vadai.
* "a random, nearly tuneless, series of ai-ai-ai. Some Hasidim sing the words of the Yechi to every traditional tune." to "various songs, with some singing those songs to the tune of Yechi." because it's more NPOV, if you feel that it's tuneless that is you point of view, I feel that it's not tuneless.
* I removed the parts about those that call the Rebbe G-d, because there is no source that they insert it into the tune of Yechi.
* I have removed the external links because, the link provided (nor another link http://www.nydailynews.com/boroughs/story/262382p-224663c.html that I found on this) does not make it clear or rather mention at all that it was the Tzfatnikim were causing violence which seems to be the point of bringing the article. I have also removed the link to the recruitment poster because it is obviously a joke which I don't think belongs in an encyclopedia. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 21:13, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: my changes

message: *The vast majority of Meshichisten believe that the rebbe is Moshiach Vadai. Former Meshichisten who have "converted" to anti will say that the rebbe was Bechezkas Moshiach, but is now Bevadai not Moshiach. Daykart 21:41, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Based upon their published writings, an my own conversatons with them, in no place do they say Moshiach Vadai, in fact when they quote from the Rambam they use the part that says Chezkas Moshiach. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 21:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Much better. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 21:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

text: The daily news link is much better, however the relavence to this article is questionable, it was more related to the placing of Z"ia. I have not made any changes, however please respond to my comments. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 21:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Also why was the words "the ancient Jewish cry of" removed? It is, as I wrote in my edit summary, from A History of the Jews by Paul Johnson pg. 399 --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 21:50, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Pinchas 

message: Orgin comes from the Gemara. IIRC Rashi brings it down in Sanhedrin. There is also a story in Admur HaMahaRash, since the time of the Rebbe Maharash chosidim would say Yechi after Davening, because the Rebbe Marash had health problems. It is not new at all. 220.233.48.200 14:40, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you give me a source in TB Sanhedrin? Furthermore, please clarify whether by Marash you mean Shmuel Schneersohn or if you are talking about another Rebbe from a non-Chabad dynasty. Daykart 23:39, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Admur HaMaharash is a book, when I said Rebbe Maharash I ment (yes I made a typo, and commonly make the same one) Shmuel Schneersohn. I will try and find it in Sanhedrin, and ask around. 220.233.48.200 03:20, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: after reading this article i think its missing some facts like the first time yechi was song befor the Rebbe. also missing is th Pesak din by Rabonim that the Rebbe is Bicheskas Moshiach (i did not add it because i'm looking for the source)
also, it seems the article is very POV.
I side with Pinchas in that I dont think the daily news article is relevent here.
we need links explaining the Yechi, pro or against, not a story about a title ZaYa. 
Zalmin 01:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My edits 

message: I don't want to open a can of worms here, but... The article says that there is no problem with saying "Yechi" according to "Halacha." Besides the akwardness of that sentence, it is simply POV. Plenty of figures in the Jewish world have said exactly the opposite. If we want to be fair, we can give the variety of positions and let the readers draw their own conclusions. --Meshulam 01:21, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who has said it's "against Halacha"? Saying that something is a meshugaas doesn't make it a violation of Halocho. Exactly which Halocho do these "opinions" refer to? Yehoishophot Oliver 10:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Plenty of Litvish leaders have said that it violates halacha, that it violates one of the 13 ikkarim, etc. All I'm saying is that according to WP:POV, we probably should not state that something is fine "according to halacha" when that matter is certainly being debated. --Meshulam 15:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Which "leaders" said so? Which halacha did they claim it violates? Yehoishophot Oliver 14:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Many leaders have said it violates halacha. Shach said it violated halacha even before gimel Tamuz. Levin from Telz continues to say that. Feldman from Ner Yisroel has said as much. But you miss the point: Saying that it doesn't violate halacha is an affirmative statement, that must meet Wikipedia's rules of verifiability. That statement does not. It should be removed.--Meshulam 17:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we are.--Meshulam 11:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "According to Halacha..." 

message: Trachgut, what is your source that yechi is said as a prayer and not a proclamation? Shlomke 20:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a reference to Yechi Hamelech being used as a prayer, it is in the footnotes of the Beis Nissan Sicha. That this is why it is used nowadays, I guess there is no source for a prayer or proclamation. Although it would probably make sense that it is used now in the same way that it was intended to be used in 1988 as that Sichas is used as a reason why Yechi should be said now. Maybe TrachtGut is aware of something more. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 22:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Shlomke and TrachtGut, would putting the words "pray and proclaim" be better? --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 22:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds fine to me. Lets see if trachtgut has a source. Shlomke 23:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yechi as a prayer  

message: I'm changing back to the words is the awaited Messiah, because when people say yechi that is what they are saying, and there is no reference to will be revealed in in yechi. Shlomke 17:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the awaited Messiah 

message: *Support merge. This is only a phrase and can be covered within a section on the subject in general. Shlomke 17:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge to [[Controversies of Chabad-Lubavitch]] 

message: Is there any opposition to a merge and redirect of Yechi to this article? As the subjects are kind of overlapping. I have started at a discussion regarding this at Talk:Chabad_Messianism#Merge_with_Yechi, to avoid having comments in multiple places, please respond there. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 00:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no prospect of this occuring during to WP:SIZE among other reasons. David Spart 21:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion is ongoing and continues here: Talk:Chabad messianism#Merge with Yechi. Shlomke 19:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Yechi

message: Reviewing the info here, it is clear that Yechi is substantial enough to merit its own article. Since the Chabad messianism article is already well over 60kb, I have unmerged it. This article os OK as it is, and has survived an AfD. Lobojo (talk) 03:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unmerged