Talk:Royal Thai General System of Transcription

message: Should the article mention competing transcription methods?  For instance, the sanskrit transcription method commonly used for royal names (turning "Phumiphon Adunyadet" into "Bhumibol Adulyadej"). Patiwat 02:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Competing transcription methods 

message: I've reworked the article substantially to present the information more clearly. Both the bulleted items in the former "Features" section, and the chart with imitated English pronunciaiton in the former "Criticisms" section were awkward or confusing.
To Be Done Still:
Add an IPA phonetic symbol for "ue" in the new "Features and Limitations" section (and correct the symbols I used for "ae" and "oe" if not accurate).
Expand/Redo the chart. It needs IPA symbols, and these should be for each sound. This means reworking the chart so that, for example, there is a row for both the short version of a vowel and the long version of that vowel, like:
  Thai letter -- RTGS "a" -- IPA [a]
  Thai letter -- RTGS "a" -- IPA [a:]
:I'm afraid I consider the recent "major rewording" not an improvement. The previous version was much clearer on features and criticisms. Adding IPA is not a good idea. That is already explained in detail in the Thai alphabet and Thai language articles. This article is about one partcular transcription method. No need to involve others in detail as well. −Woodstone 16:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Reworking of Article 25 Sept 2006 -- Plus Request for More Work 

message: In article Royal Thai General System of Transcription there is a table "Criticism". The Thai letter จ is described as a "alveo-palatal affricate" (see: Voiceless alveolo-palatal affricate) with the IPA image of [ tɕ ]. As far as I understand that letter it is rather a Voiced postalveolar affricate with / ʤ / in IPA or maybe even a / dʑ /. Is this just a mistake of the IPA representation in "Royal Thai General System of Transcription" or do I have a thorough misunderstanding of the Thai language? 
I asked this question already at Portal talk:Language with no answer so far. --hdamm (talk) 12:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: These symbols and designations are straight from the Thai section in the IPA handbook. Authors are Kalaya Tingsabadh (dept of linguistics, Chulalongkorn University, Bangkok) and Arthur Abrahamson (dept of linguistics, University of Connecticut, USA). There cannot be much doubt as to the authority of these sources. For what it's worth, also in my personal experience, these choices are correct. −Woodstone (talk) 18:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Woodstone for this information. --hdamm (talk) 07:14, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA-Question: Table "Criticism" 

message: The RTGS transcribes from Thai to Roman script. So the table should be organised to start from Thai script, with Roman equivalent in later column. −Woodstone (talk) 10:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Direction of transcription 

message: Shouldn't ทร be mentioned somewhere in this page?
SeeingMole (talk) 07:50, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, perhaps close to where it now says "Transcription of consonants in final position is according to pronunciation". There are a few more cases where pronunciation gets priority over general rules. For example also an initial อ or ห may form an exception. −Woodstone (talk) 09:25, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that whole part can be simplified to say that since it is a transcription, it follows pronunciation rather than orthography. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:20, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps that would be too loose. It would open the door to writing "l" for initial ร, and omitting many second parts of clusters. −Woodstone (talk) 17:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Would something along the lines of "phonemic pronunciation" be better? --Paul_012 (talk) 19:09, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  ทร