Talk:1893 Franco-Siamese crisis

message: Is the conflict actually referred to as a war? I understand that there was no full-scale fighting, and searches for "Franco-Siamese War" return more results for the 1941 campaign than this. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Mark Twain referred to it this way: "News comes that within this week Siam has acknowledged herself to be, in effect, a French province." --Pawyilee (talk) 09:24, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
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message: Bertdrunk, would you care to elaborate on why you reverted the move? As suggested back in the 2012 RM, the term doesn't appear to be treated as a proper name by most sources, so it should be de-capitalised. While the RM didn't agree on the move to Franco-Siamese dispute of 1893, nobody actually opposed the suggestion to rename the article to Franco-Siamese war with a lowercase w. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:10, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't saw it was recently moved, I moved it cause I never ever saw a title without "War" capitalized. Bertdrunk (talk) 21:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Paul_012, so should the article be capitalized? Fortunatestars (talk) 05:49, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I still think it should be renamed to have war uncapitalised, but seeing as it might not be uncontroversial it'd probably need an RM. I'd like to think this over a bit more though. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:03, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved to 1893 Franco-Siamese crisis. Participants agreed that this event is not widely described as a "war". The year is being appended to the title as, while it was not in the original proposal, it ultimately achieved unanimous support in the discussion. (closed by non-admin page mover)  ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Franco-Siamese War →  – or Franco-Siamese conflict – Revisiting this. Having gone through Google Books results for "Franco-Siamese war", "Franco-Siamese crisis", and "Franco-Siamese conflict", it appears that "Franco-Siamese crisis" is by far the most commonly used by sources directly discussing the event, as well as contemporary ones and the history summaries presented in travel guides. Conflict comes second. In contrast, "Franco-Siamese war" was only found in passing or one-off mentions in works whose focus lay elsewhere.
Here's a breakdown of the results I checked that were more directly relevant.
Works that use "crisis":
*Books
**Shane Strate, The Lost Territories: Thailand’s History of National Humiliation
**Historical Dictionary of Thailand
**Pierre Brocheux, Daniel Hémery, Indochina: An Ambiguous Colonization, 1858-1954
**Jittipat Poonkham, A Genealogy of Bamboo Diplomacy: The Politics of Thai Détente with Russia and China
*Contemporary sources
**UK Parliamentary Debates
**The Contemporary Review
** Das Staatsarchiv
**The Antiquary
**British and Foreign State Papers
*Travel guides
** DK Eyewitness Travel Guide Thailand
** The Rough Guide to Thailand
Works that use "conflict":
*Books
**Asian Forms of the Nation
**Space and Time in Thai-Lao Relations: Borderlands in International Relations
**Routledge Handbook of Southeast Asian History
**Chandran Jeshurun, The Contest for Siam, 1889-1902: A Study in Diplomatic Rivalry
**Journal of the Malaysian Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society 
*Contemporary sources
**The Peacemaker and Court of Arbitration
**Journal of the Manchester Geographical Society
**UK Parliamentary Debates
**etc.
Works that use both "crisis" and "conflict"
*Books
**Thongchai Winichakul, Siam Mapped: A History of the Geo-Body of a Nation
**Locating Southeast Asia: Geographies of Knowledge and Politics of Space
**Volker Grabowsky, Regions and National Integration in Thailand, 1892-1992
**The Land Boundaries of Indochina: Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam
As mentioned, I didn't find any directly relevant works among those that used "war".
Personally, I slightly prefer "crisis", as "Franco-Thai conflict" sounds a bit too vague/general. (There's also one source that uses "Franco-Siamese conflict" to refer to the Siamese revolution of 1688.) Also, several of the above sources do append "of 1893" on first mention, so Franco-Siamese crisis of 1893 and Franco-Siamese conflict of 1893 are also options to consider. Paul_012 (talk) 01:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

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