Talk:Jungle

message: The term jungle is very much used in popular parlance. The correct term is Rainforest, although Tropical forest can also be used. The Jungle Book by Rudyard Kipling perpetuates the use of the word. I have amended the article. Peter Shearan 09:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: I only just noticed this "secret war" of sorts. People seem to be switching the word's etymological origin from Sanskrit to Persian to Sanskrit left and right! What appalls me is that these users do not leave their reasoning on the Talk page and rarely even comment their changes in the page history. This is ridiculously un-Wikipedian behavior! So I took to effort to do the research for all of us. 
Merrian-Webster Online dictionary:
Main Entry: jun·gle
Pronunciation: 'j&[ng]-g&l
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Hindi jangal & Urdu jangal forest, from Sanskrit jangala desert region
1 a : an impenetrable thicket or tangled mass of tropical vegetation b : a tract overgrown with thickets or masses of vegetation
2 : a hobo camp
3 a (1) : a confused or disordered mass of objects : JUMBLE (2) : something that baffles or frustrates by its tangled or complex character : MAZE <the jungle of housing laws -- Bernard Taper> b : a place of ruthless struggle for survival <the city is a jungle where no one is safe after dark -- Stuart Chase>
4 : electronic dance music that combines elements of techno, reggae, and hip-hop and is marked especially by an extremely fast beat
So indeed the word originated from Sanskrit. Anything otherwise would be original research which is unacceptable on Wikipedia. If, however, the research is backed by a peer-reviewed source, be sure to provide the link on the Talk page before posting.
And for pete's sake, please SIGN your comments. 4.131.32.64 15:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins of the word

message: It reads like an essay. I don't see that there's much lost by removing it altogether. Junes 17:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jungle in western culture

message: The statement: "Using this word to refer to a dense forest in a hot climate is nowadays considered colonialist, and such a forest must be called a rainforest even when the use of the latter term is scientifically inaccurate." does not seem neutral to me, saying it "must" be referred to as a rainforest even when the term is inaccurate? The rest of the article does not come across much better.
:You got that right, and I'm about to clean up this article right now. Dragomiloff 01:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV Check

message: Somebody edited the picture. Please change it back.
:I noticed and had already reverted it. No problem Sander123 15:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: "...a forest characterised by extensive biodiversity and densely tangled plants such as trees, vines, grasses, and also various roses..." roses? —Pengo 04:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roses? 

message: When I checked at school, this page was vandalised. I checked on my home computer, and wasn't. What happened? Pacguy19 21:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm interesting...I wonder what thats all about. ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ(Ταλκ) 17:44, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: weird

message: This article really needs alot more done. ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ(Ταλκ) 17:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow 

message: This article is now fairly complete.  Ths subject is not one that requires much more - there are some references added and the rest does not really need references, but there is room for adding a couple if someone wants to do this.  Most of the information in the article is generic. There is such a thing as over referencing - where every sentence is refenced. 
I suggest we leave it alone and move on to other words, unless there are factual problems, in which case please correct and describe in the discussion.  
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.201.107 (talk) 14:41, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations etc 

message: I propose a merge of the article to Forest as (as described in article) a jungle is basicaly a wet forest in a tropical zone.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.66.49.224 (talk) 07:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose - Did you even read the article? "The term may still be used in technical contexts to describe the rainforest biome, a forest characterised by extensive biodiversity and densely tangled undergrowth including the young trees, vines and lianas, and herbaceous plants." There is more than one definition here, chummer. -Jeremy (v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses!) 19:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OpposeThis article is useful for distinguishing between common parlance and technical terms for various kinds of forests commonly called "jungle".  Also the metaphor section is good information. I think some readers would benefit from some of this information, which would probably have to be deleted and not included in Forest in order to not be tangential to that article. Brambleshire (talk) 06:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: My vote is not to merge.  A "jungle" is more than just a forest.  It has a connotation of an environment that is teeming with life in which the "forest" is the foundation on which the other living things play their roles. I would recommend leaving it as a separate article but provide links to "forest" and vice versa. Even on the Indian subcontinent where the word originates, there are "Forest Officers" not "Jungle Officers".  There is a difference in the meaning and I believe it is the more encompassing environment that jungle connotes. If someone seconds this, I could add this aspect into the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.201.107 (talk) 07:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, the merge discussion is dead, and has been for a while. -Jeremy (v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses!) 07:46, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Anyone can remove the tags if the discussion's dead. The page isn't protected. -Jeremy (v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses!) 19:36, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: No Merge 

message: I noticed the introduction defines jungle but fails to provide a source. Lastitem (talk) 21:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition

message: Isn't that a jungle too? TylerDurdenn (talk) 15:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Amazon rainforest

message: Because a Jungle is a variation of Tropical Rainforest should they be merged?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by IGGY7735 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, it depends on how much the content of the two articles overlaps. That's a good way to tell if one of the articles is superfluous. Lastitem (talk) 06:15, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: That is something that the article should explore in a lot more detail in my opinion.Lastitem (talk) 00:13, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Difference between a jungle and a forest

message: There are no references given as to what a jungle is or what field of study the term refers to. The article a little information on the etymology of the word and alternative uses of the word, but at no stage does it actually present any verifiable information on what the word primarily means. Without such basic information the article is essentially worthless.
At this stage, the article should probably just be deleted. I can;t see that it's providing any information at all beyond what a dictionary would provide.Mark Marathon (talk) 08:10, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is awful 

message: Does any one live there  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.226.161.31 (talk) 16:08, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life 

message: The lede currently states that "the nearest equivalent scientific term is probably monsoon and seasonal tropical forest".  Is that not too restrictive?  Surely the popular conception of a jungle would include Tropical rainforests as well - possibly even as the primary definition.  Iapetus (talk) 15:13, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is/are jungles? 

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message: As discussed more than once in this talk page, the WP:PRIMARYUSAGE of the word jungle in the English language is to generally refer to rainforests.  This article is very essay-like and verging on WP:ORIGINALSYNTHESIS.  I recognize the value of explaining alternate usages and having this article's content expanded beyond just a dictionary definition, but to make no reference to the word "rainforest" in the lead is an oversight.  One author has reverted attempts to explain this primary usage in the lead, but he does not appear to command consensus.  Please discuss here if you think there's reason to not include "rainforest" in the lead.  Thank you. --NoGhost (talk) 01:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any evidence for the assertion that word jungle in the English language is generally used to refer to rainforests? Becuase all the references in this article say otherwise. Actual books and articles written on this subject, and the OED, all say you are incorrect. So if you have reliable sources that agree with your beliefs, then trot them out so we can add the information to the article. You can not, however, add statements just because that they are true. Please read WP:VERIFY.Mark Marathon (talk) 02:37, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  A quick glance at the edit history shows that you alone have been reverting any references to rainforests in the lead.  A stable version until July of this year contained the term "rainforest" in the lead.  I'm not sure what your argument is here.  No one is trying to remove the essay "jungle as a metaphor", no one is claiming that there is only one definition of jungle, and no one is asking that jungles be considered solely as synonyms of rainforests.  The only point of contention that you seem to raise is with reference to the historic use of the term jungle being placed in the lead.  That this is true you do not seem to debate, since you have helped edit the following sentence in the article: "The word jungle accounted for over 80% of the terms used to refer to tropical forests in print media prior to the 1970s, since when it has been steadily replaced by "rainforest", [21] although "jungle" still remains in common use when referring to tropical rainforests."  Including reference to this in the lead is important not only because it will give proper weight to this definition of the term (especially when compared against the sentence about colonial discourse in the lead), but because many readers who visit this article are likely hoping to find information about rainforests, tropical or otherwise.  Consider, for example, that the Planet Earth II episode that aired last year was titled "Jungles" during which tropical rainforests were referred to as jungles.  I will try to capture to essence of the aforementioned sentence from the article in the lead.  Please feel free to help edit this sentence and I trust we can find an agreed-upon wording without giving undue weight.  Thanks! --NoGhost (talk) 07:12, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't seem to understand the distiction between "rainforests used to be mostly referred with the term jungle" and "the term jungle used to mostly refers to rainforests". Am I correct that this is the source of your confusion? If so I will explain the difference, which is significant. The former statement is well referenced and included in the article. The latter is not referenced at all and therefore can not be included, much less in the lede. Whales used to be mostly referred to as fish. That does not justify a claim that fish mostly refered to whales. A reference supporting the claim that whales were most commonly called fish until the 1920's is easy to find. That does not constitute support for the claim that prior to the 1920's, the term fish generally referred to whales. You need a separate reference for the claim that the term "fish" mostly referred to whales in 1910. And in exactly the same way, the reference that rainforests used to generally be referred to as jungles does not in any way support your claim that jungle used to generally refer to rainforest. All crows are black birds, but not all black birds are crows. Mark Marathon (talk) 08:38, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, this is helpful! I didn't properly understand your concern and it appeared (to me) that you were just against any reference to rainforests in the lead.  I've edited the sentence to hopefully better reflect the content of the article.  Please feel free to edit it if you feel it can be improved.  Thanks. --NoGhost (talk) 17:43, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to rainforests 

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message: The article needs a major section saying where the world’s jungles are. Loraof (talk) 17:47, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where are they? 

message: the idea of the urban jungle seems worth mentioning  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:7402:7701:981D:D378:4ED6:BF57 (talk) 19:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  urban jungle/ concrete jungle 

message: What about something else 
Some words And 
curiosities, conditions, animals and plants 178.255.168.56 (talk) 15:54, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something else