Talk:Vladimir Bukovsky

message: I noticed that there is some discrepancy in the dates (esp. around 1965) between En & Ru editions. Some of this could stem from diff dates of arrest v. official incarceration. In any case, any help reconciling is appreciated. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 23:50, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: There are was a lot of misinformation around Bukovsly. Even among supporters there was some miscoordination.
Perhaps, now they are coordinated better: in the movie, one shows the Bukovsky's passport. He is cityzen of Russia. I go to cite it correctly. Then, let us discuss it here. The movie is in Russian. If you have any English references, please, give them.dima 09:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bukovsky's passport 

message: Sorry, I did not see the refs were moved. While many references, each of them should support some statement(s) of the article. Terefore, they should be included as ref ... /ref.
I saw the Russian wiki Буковский copied and cited, but the links were not reproduced. I would prefer the peiple citing Wiki, to do contrary: take only small part of Wiki-text they need, and reproduce the links; the published and posted papers are not supposed to change while Wikipedia does; and there is no reason to reproduce a fixed version of wikiopedia. The peоple can easy copy and past the links if they are seen; owervice, one has to 
picк then one by one (or enter the edition mode). Let us make all the links visible.
The links to  ISBN numbers still do not work well. If anybody has time to improve this, would be good.
dima 12:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I have some questions about this change .  I believe some of these questions also apply to other editors who favor giving reviews of "discussions in blogs and political websites".  It appears that Wikipedia policies give little weight (authority) to such sources, so I'd rather remove speculations and leave only references to statements by government bodies, media, as well as by Bukovsky's initiative group.
1. The new version no longer mentions the refutation of pro-government media's claims of Bukovsky's falling out of the presidential race.  The refutation was issued by the initiative group and therefore I consider it important for the article.
2. The argument stating that Lebed did not violate the government's interpretation of Constitution does not cite its source.
3. The word "registered" in the sentence on the number of participants in the Bukovsky's support group was replaced with "required".  Was that an intentional change?
4. The reasons of refusing Bukovsky's application for the 2008 presidential race by the Central Election Committee do not cite their source.  The reasons are given without quotation marks that serve as a boundary between an authoritative source and its interpretation by Wikipedia editors.  The only reference to a pro-government news agency provides a mix-up and distortion of different events: (a) application to the Russian Constitutional Court by Kara-Murza Jr. about the consistency of the ban on being elected into representative bodies when having an extra citizenship and/or permanent residence; (b) the decision of the Central Election Committee on Bukovsky's application.  It is worth noting that the Election Committee's decision came 3 days after the publication in RIA Novosti. (See Bukovsky's lawyer's statement  and its computer translation ).
5. The word "eligible" was probaby misspelled in the new version.
6. The new argument attributed to anonymous "some" says that Russian Consitution forbids dual-citizenship holders from being elected.  This is not true.  There are only 2 categories of citizens who lose the right of being elected, according to Constitution: imprisoned and incapacitated.  The author of this anonymous statement could mix up the 2006 federal law amendment preventing holders of extra citizenship from being elected as a president.
7. The previous versions' attribution of the requirement of residing _preceding_ 10 years to Constitution is also invalid.  The Constitution does not specify the time frame for the 10 year residence requirement.  
I don't mean to wipe out arguments such as (6) and (7) from the article.  I'd like to see them attributed to persons issuing such statements.  Without authoritative sources, these statements look like original research.
ilgiz (talk) 20:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the judicial arguments altogether as I think they are of little weight.  If someone wants to re-add them, I'd suggest to link CEC's, Supreme Court's decisions and Initiative group's statements rather than blogs.ilgiz (talk) 08:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 2008 presidential campaign section 

message: I was amazed to see the use of the word "alleged" in the following External Links item: 
 "Voices of Dissent An expose film of alleged human rights abuse presented by Vladimir Bukovsky (2006)". 
So now the KGB must be given the benefit of the doubt, not only during the period that the Kremlin's police did its (mis)deeds, but even 21 years (!) after the Soviet Union collapsed?!
In light of the — continued — whitening of the KGB, along with charges of Bukovsky lying, no wonder Pajamas Media published an article (The Greatest Subversive of Our Times by Michael Ledeen, 29 December 2012) speaking of the times that Vladimir Bukovsky "was subjected to the KGB’s infamous psychological and biochemical torments during his years in prison and the camps." And you still believe that "alleged" belongs in the description of that exposé film?!
Then, of course, it's easier to understand when one learns that the Russian cannot get certain books published in the West because they reveal Soviet support of Western leftists [go to www freerepublic com /focus/f-news/536808/posts — a direct redirect link being impossible on this page because a conservative internet forum is… blacklisted by… Wikipedia!!] ("Vladimir Bukovsky has written a richly detailed, heavily documented account of how the Soviet Union aided Palestinian militants, Latin American revolutionaries, and even America's Black Panther movement. Based on materials unearthed in Russian archives, 'Judgment in Moscow' also discloses Moscow's clandestine efforts to manipulate public opinion throughout the West.").
Asteriks (talk) 13:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bukovsky Speaks the Truth 

message: I remove information about pornografy- Bukovsky, because this is not improved by court. Dissident N 1 in Russia ,Mr Bukovsky,in past was accused by KGB tens time in different-as spy, terrorism, anti soviet propaganda, ets. So, without juristical confirmation of court- it is next provocation of KGB- FSB.
Even Russian Wikipedia not published this KGB crab/rubbish/
I remained you, that Mr Bukovsky was direct enemy of Andropov/teacher of Mr putin/
I remind you, that Mr Bukovsky- former candidate in presidency of Russia - so concurent of Mr putin.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zasdcxz (talk • contribs) 17:40, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's Bukovsky's response to these allegations: he's suing the Crown Prosecution Service for libel. I feel this is worth noting in the article somewhere, but I'll leave it to others to decide exactly where. Robofish (talk) 23:03, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

text: I feel this section now provides too much detail and should be summarized more briefly. The case is currently "suspended" and so far did not officially result in anything. In addition, on controversial matters one should relay on best quality secondary sources, such as this NYT publication as opposed to relying on interviews (primary sources), etc. My very best wishes (talk) 18:16, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: So, that NYT article cast doubts on the accusations. Indeed, years have passed, and there is no any new information about it whatsoever. There was no courts, no investigations, no official statements, nothing. Based on that, I would rather remove this content as undue in the overall context of biography of Vladimir Bukovsky. This is not something he is known for. Rather, they are potentially fabricated charges. My very best wishes (talk) 00:36, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

text: However, after looking at this and at the discussion above, I decided to keep this story in the body of the page, but shorten it by using more recent sources which summarize better this controversy. My very best wishes (talk) 16:17, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The United Kingdom charged him with child pornography, and the article has stated this for a long time.  If you think the government of the United Kingdom is, in your words, making "potentially fabricated charges" against pedophiles and child pornographers, then you can mention that in the article but you're not going to censor people from knowing those charges happened.  Minimax Regret (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Child Pornography Charges

message: The lede needs to be tweaked; it's confusing to the general reader who is quickly perusing because the first sentence uses the verb "was", which is appropriate if the bio subject is deceased.  And Bukovsky is still a Russian dissident, albeit living in western Europe for several decades. Evenrød (talk) 00:48, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: This has grown considerably since I last looked. Good to have many more titles listed.John Crowfoot (talk) 18:01, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography 

message: In the section on Psychiatric Abuse I have added several new notes (from note 32 to 37) with hyperlinnks to the Chronicle.
Can someone edit these so they come in the part of the end notes that is reserved for CCE alone. Thanks! John Crowfoot (talk) 07:08, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Psychiatrick (talk) 01:10, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding new Chronicle references to Notes 

message: I have now added in references to articles in the Chronicle of Current Events for almost all of those listed by Bukovsky in his 1971 appeal to Western psychiatrists.
Can one of you, as before, "segregate" these footnotes to the Chronicle section? Thanks!
John Crowfoot (talk) 04:20, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Psychiatrick (talk) 01:10, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding CCE refs for those mentioned in Bukovsky's 1971 letter about psychiatric abuse 

message: I am adding to the intro that Bukovsky spent twelve years in prisons, labor camps, and psychiatric hospitals. That is the first sentence appearing on the dusk jacket of his autobiography, Vladimir Bukovsky: To Build a Castle, My Life as a Dissenter.  That fact, above all else, is what jumps out about his life. It also differentiates Bukovsky from other activists that penetrate our consciousness from different spheres.  I think that it's not uncommon for general readers to read intros/ledes and then skim through the body of an article.  I don't think that the section, "A brief overview" would need to be edited for redundancy because it gives a succinct breakdown of the years, etc.  
One other thing, yes, Bukovsky is known for bringing awareness to State-use of psychiatry as a tool of oppression, but he is just as known for, including the thesis of his autobiography,  to his vehement opposition to Soviet communism.
Evenrød (talk) 07:33, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hey, I had changed the lead earlier and must have missed this talk page entry. The twelve years info was part of a proposal for a "Did You Know" blurb, and some reviewers mentioned that it was unclear where that tally came from. I am guessing this includes pre-trial detentions etc.? In any case, now the DYK blurb does not mention specific years anymore. Which edition is it? Let's reinsert it as a sourced statement. – Nkrita (talk) 18:44, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Nkrita - it's the British edition.  Vladimir Bukovsky: To Build a Castle, My Life as a Dissenter; Translated from the Russian by Michael Scammell; publisher: Andre Deutsch, London; 1978. Evenrød (talk) 19:28, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't have access to this edition, but I found the same figure in the 2009 biographical article in Slavonic and East Europ. Review and have added that one as a source. Probably better than quoting a dust jacket anyhow. – Nkrita (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

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message: I have just been correcting statements in these paragraphs and begin to wonder if they are really necessary. The detail behind each is more fully, accurately and comprehensibly described in an easily located section below (2.1 Mayakovsky Square, 2.2 Glasnost Rally, 2.3. The Right to Protest) - so what do they add, if anything?
The sooner people can see the Contents, it seems to me, the quicker they will find an accurate account of the events they are seeking.
John Crowfoot (talk) 16:30, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:   The lead should probably say a few words about the episode with the psychiatric imprisonment documents, given its importance for Bukovsky's biography and its wider historical significance. (WP:LEAD I think correctly suggests that many readers will only read this section). How about cutting paragraph two and shortening paragraph three? – Nkrita (talk) 17:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reduce introductory section by cutting paragraphs two and three 

message: A large number of articles have now accumulated here and I think it would be more helpful to those consulting this page if they were sorted by year, or grouped in periods relating to Vladimir Bukovsky's life, rather than by author surname.
I shall attempt to do this and let us see if it works better for those seeking particular items or subjects.
John Crowfoot (talk) 08:44, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  /* Further reading */ sorting items by period 

message: A sizable section of text, now reduced and partially edited, has been added about the Dutch campaign for Bukovsky's release. It presently has two defects.
One, there is no indication of a source for this interesting description. It contained one surprising factual error, now removed, suggesting that Bukovsky was imprisoned in Siberia. During this period of imprisonment he was being held not in a penal colony but in Vladimir Prison in Central Russia.
Two, it may mislaid readers into thinking the Dutch campaign was the only form of sustained protest in the West about the treatment of Vladimir Bukovsky. On the contrary, there were people in many countries, especially in academic circles (some linked to professional psychiatric organisations), who were protesting and writing him letters  after his imprisonment in 1972.
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thread_title:  Dutch contribution to Bukovsky's deportation 

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message: Currently Footnote 16 has an error in it:
 Boobbyer, Richard (July 2009). "Vladimir Bukovskii and Soviet Communism". The Slavonic and East European Review. 87 (3): 452–487. JSTOR 40650408.
His name is actually Philip Boobbyer (see: https://www.jstor.org/stable/40650408?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents)
I see this source is cited multiple times in the piece, and I cannot figure out how to edit that reference. Could somebody fix it for me?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.148.20.2 (talk) 16:02, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fix citation? 

message: I don't know how US citizens distinguish between these two categories. In the Soviet Union there was a line in the internal passport or ID document that listed the individual's nationality, e.g. Russian, Tatar, Jewish, Ukrainian.
In the case of Bukovsky he was, so far as I know, of Russian ethnicity but through force of circumstance changed his citizenship three times: Soviet to Russian to British -- the first two running consecutively, the latter concurrent with both. The corresponding years are now clearly entered in the side-bar summary of his life.
John Crowfoot aka Rustat99 (talk) 19:45, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I fixed it per WP:INFONAT, but another contributor reverted it, without even looking. My very best wishes (talk) 01:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Given no objections on this talk page from anyone, I implemented this change and a few others per discussion on this page above. My very best wishes (talk) 16:15, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Nationality and citizenship