Talk:DNS (disambiguation)

message: What does DNS means when it is used in competitions? 132.204.227.146 18:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did Not Start, as opposed to DNF. 70.231.168.118 06:37, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DNS in sports 

message: I propose making Domain Name System the primary topic - moving DNS to DNS (disambiguation) and creating a redirect from DNS to Domain Name System. Domain Name System will not be moved.:
*By article popularity, Domain Name System is more popular than all the others combined (Stats DNS has been viewed 4358 times in 201307.)
**Domain Name System has been viewed 76489 times in 201307
**Direct numerical simulation has been viewed 805 times in 201307.
**Dragon NaturallySpeaking has been viewed 2967 times in 201307.Widefox; talk 17:46, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the general public would recognize most of those; but not DNS unless they're into Internet internals.  Dicklyon (talk) 04:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Dicklyon you sound quite certain of that, and it's an interesting point. Can you point out something similar? Have you seen DHCP (disambiguation)? My understanding (of the not well defined) primarytopic is that is only about relative likelihood of the ambiguous terms, not about absolute awareness of the primary topic term. Domain Name System is notable, and arguably nerdy, but just because it is seemingly obscure under the hood to us nerds, that shouldn't make us force users to actively select it when it is the most likely thing they want. I don't consider initialisms any different to other terms. To users it's all mumbo-jumbo anyhow. Germans plus others (like me) know the term "Danzig" in the primarytopic example, but that shouldn't influence me. On the contrary, the more obscure, pervasive, and exposed "DNS" is to end users (at least Chrome exposes the term on Internet connection failure, so I'm guessing everyone with a smartphone/tablet/PC will be exposed to it), the more important it is to make it accessible. But that's my motivation rather than my reasoning for the primary, as all that matters for primary selection is relative likelihood. If there were no other uses of "DNS" (so no DAB), it would simply redirect (the other likelihoods being 0). Widefox; talk 08:10, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, DHCP should be fixed.  UDP and TCP are the first two similarly-used internet-underware TLAs that I checked.  Both are disambig pages, even though they dominate at abbreviations.com.  Dicklyon (talk) 15:53, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There's consensus for DHCP, and been there for 7 years. What's your understanding of primary topic? e.g. does it involve easter egg? sorry, I should add I'm assuming something big - correlation between initialism and full title. Sorry I should have said that. There's HP (disambiguation) and quite some comment on its talk page as there's a strong horsepower. There's nothing statistically as likely as horsepower here. UDP has some well known political parties at least this side of the pond (I haven't checked the stats), and looking at TCP, I will propose as primary - the strongest being a factor 20 less viewed. Widefox; talk 09:41, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

text: (Evidence is above - I moved it down in case others aren't seeing it.) If there were no other DHCPs or DNSs would you oppose redirecting? "The fact that an article has a different title is not a factor in determining whether a topic is primary" - this applies to initialisms like any redirect. Widefox; talk 08:02, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I misread the request, and my pride prevented me from admitting this earlier. Sorry. --BDD (talk) 21:32, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Dicklyon, BDD, Tony we have the guideline WP:PRIMARYTOPIC already. While WP:NOTFORNERDS isn't (and WP hasn't chaotically collapsed under  primarytopic :) it would be useful if you could expand your reasoning. Widefox; talk 07:05, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. It's as simple as WP:ACRONYMTITLE. While I do think DNS is "known primarily by its abbreviation," I don't think it's well known or unambiguous enough to just have the acronym title. --BDD (talk) 15:33, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Longevity argument is important, although DNS has been around decades, is likely to be, and users are exposed to the term now, although I cannot predict the future usage. A Google books search "DNS" gives only Domain Name System on the first page. (Although I'm not sure where you stand on otherstuff by selecting two adjectives, and deselecting acronyms, I will indulge anyhow...) If I understand Big the strong (according to PRIMARYTOPIC) primary topic was discounted due to a dictionary based objection (so adjective is relevant). That is not obviously relevant here. Brand new was over 13K words. I plead ignorance/otherstuff/offtopic for now. I don't have an opinion on whether I agree with removing the primary there. I do know that PRIMARYTOPIC is what I go by. Widefox; talk 12:29, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

text: There's DHCP (disambiguation), ITN (disambiguation), there may be much variety/inconsistency AD (disambiguation) vs BC, each to its own merits. Yes it's about one namespace so we only need to consider real (not potential) namespace clashes, ultimately pairwise comparisons for this term DNS. What is the pair to compare for DNS? Simply put, by trying to tackle systemic bias, we shouldn't shoot ourselves in the foot. The merits of each case should be used. Ultimately, "properly disambiguated" must be balanced against "most likely inconvenienced". Widefox; talk 12:29, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Yes - I made it more clear above - this isn't about moving the article. Tony1 Readers coming from Googling DNS go straight to the article now anyhow bypassing this DAB, making this discussion moot in some way - I added a hatnote to Domain Name System in the meantime as we did have a walled garden from that route until now. Obviously primary topic redirects always get a redirect hatnote. Widefox; talk 20:39, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Primary topic