Talk:Zune/Archive 6

message: This section needs its readability increased because it looks nasty under lynx/elinks textual web browsers, even on Firefox.  Also, the section contains esoteric information which may not be an interest to general audience.  Having visited other Wikipedia pages using lynx, they look much better.Getonyourfeet 22:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Specifications section needs cleanup

message: Does anyone know how to keep Zune from modifying all your audio files when you listen to them? It messes with the file and changes the "modified" date and adds info to the file. It is keeping track of how many times you play the file. That is a bunch of BS for it to modify a file without warning you first. For people who need a file to match a particular CRC this adding of extra unwanted data breaks the file and fails CRC! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.133.198.240 (talk) 02:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  zune modifies all your files 

message: The work that went to assembling the marketplace seems lacking...  There are alot of questions to be asked... what companies provide content to the marketplace, do independent artist contribute to the marketplace...  I feel that it needs to be expanded a bit for historical context and effort that went into the marketplace as it might go though expansion with DRM free content.  The current version just highlights what it can do but ignore the who, where, when, why, how. Getonyourfeet 05:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marketplace info needs to be reworked 

message: User:71.158.92.118 editor changes paragraph 2 which should only talk about Zune's release week.  Now I made it fair to let it slide for today because yes it is verifiable today but not tomorrow.  This is why I revered I used reference to older source because they have been syndicated and still exist.  And he says it is bullshit, that's biased.
Again the sales data is in chronological order and this order should not be disruptive.  April 10, 2007 data is not syndicated and not cached or published by tertiary source. Getonyourfeet 08:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amazon.com dynamic data is unreliable source 

message: :Can share "[via USB with], televisions, and AV receivers"?
Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I don't think there are any television or AV receivers that can link to the Zune via USB. No references are given and there's nothing else in the article about this. If I'm wrong, put it back... but with a reference and explanation, please. What is an example of a television receiver that can receive music from a Zune over a USB connection? Dpbsmith (talk) 15:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It don't connect though USB... it connects though headphone jack (headphone port)... using an accessory that maps the proprietary arrangement of the tip ring sleeve on one end and uses RCA plug on the other end.Getonyourfeet 16:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hardly seems like a "feature" worth mentioning at all, then, since every mp3 player can do this. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:04, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sharing with televisions and AV receivers? I doubt it... 

message: might be too early, but Microsoft just released a 1.4 upgrade to the Zune. It suggests it upgraded the shuffle ability but i don't see any difference. Just keeping u guys up to date 71.249.35.8 22:27, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1.4 firmware

message: Several sites, not just Apple ones, say that the Chronicle made an error. The interview says "When we finish our fiscal year in June we'll have sold a little over a million Zunes.".
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/05/28/MICROSOFT.TMP (the actual interview) 
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/05/million_zunes_n.html
http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/15660
http://blogs.business2.com/apple/2007/05/microsofts_zune.html (blog of Business 2.0 magazine)
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/chronicle/
I'd say in this case, blogs are a reliable source. 71.244.44.17 15:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: zune still shy of one million?

message: Many of the stuff below can be found in a fan site... you can still work off this stuff in the talk page.
Speculation and rumors
Many have speculated on a European release date. Czech Business Weekly claims a scheduled date for "the first half of 2007." UK site Tech.co.uk, in an article dated January 15, 2007, mentioned the Zune is coming to the UK in "two-to-three months.". However, in a product review published in April 2007, UK site PC Pro has indicated that the UK release could be as late as 2008. Although, Steve Ballmer has stated that there is no set timeframe for a European release.
The website ZuneScene.com recently released reports of leaked information about the second revision of the Zune device family, however these rumors were disregarded by many as propaganda.
Chris Stephenson, general manager of global marketing for the Zune project, has also said in an interview with Engadget that some phone functionality is in store for the Zune at a later date.  On April 25, 2007, Steve Ballmer went on record saying Microsoft is not interested in building a phone-featured Zune.
At the 2007 Consumer Electronics Show (CES), Bill Gates said little about the Zune; a ZDNet reporter summarized it as "no Zune news", told readers not to expect any new Zune devices soon, and inferred from Gates' remarks that Microsoft will promote the device at its own Zune-specific events.  At the same event, however, Peter Moore, vice president of Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment and Devices Division, mentioned that the Zune will support videogames by mid-2008.
More colors such as watermelon red and orange  differing in hue from the special edition colors are being added to the Zune line.
A third party is working to port Linux to the Zune.
 — 6etonyourfeet\t\c 21:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing speculation section because it is not encyclopedic

message: * There have been multiple reports of the Zune screen cracking from the inside when charged. Mine actually did. Shouldn't we add this to the wiki-page? Clearwaterlab 21:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We do NOT need to include it because it has not been proven to be anything more than an isolated problem. Read the user comments on that article you posted the link to. Half the comments indicate that the cracked screen pictures are either faked or the result of abuse. Please investigate this kind of information before you decide it needs to be included in Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, not a source for wild-eyed rumors. 75.33.136.166 05:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

text: You know TEN people at your school who have Zunes with cracked screens? With all due respect, I don't even know ten people who have a Zune, much less one with a cracked screen. In any event, you first posted here about the cracked screen problem almost two months ago, and in that time not one single other person has posted here that they are having the same problem. I think that speaks for itself. 75.35.5.73 07:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because, as the user said above, there is no evidence that this issue is anything more than a few isolated incidents or a hoax. If it were truly widespread, we would have heard more since then, but as it stands, I'm pretty sure it's a hoax. Not only that, but Engadget later disproved this by showing that the battery was not in fact behind the screen (it's at the very bottom, in the back behind the d-pad), so there's no way it could expand and mess up the top of the screen. I think your comment about this page being an advertisement is also quite laughable. See the talk section on the bias of the article for more. -Mysekurity 11:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zune Cracked Screens? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Zune-marketplace.png

message: As far as I know, all Apple products have "Designed by Apple in California" on the back. Why is the "Hello from Seattle" considered similar to that? — Alex(U|C|E) 12:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible POV 

message: The lack of other Zune users sharing songs wirelessly should be removed from the Criticism section. The ability to find other users to share music with is obviously dependent on the number of people who own the Zune; Microsoft cannot magically provide other people for you to share music with. My point is, this is something that is completely out of the control of the team designing the Zune, so how can you criticize them for it? Ridiculous. 75.33.136.166 07:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism for lack of other wireless Zune users 

message: Hey according to Zuneboards.com the Zune now has a 11% market share, as of May.  --Elven6 15:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Market Share 

message: what info is there for the v.2 version of the zune  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.161.193.61 (talk) 23:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing official has been announced yet, but there is much speculation from members of the Tech press. -Mysekurity 04:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's time to add Zune 2-related information now that it was announced. --NetRolller 3D 22:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Zune 2

message: The "Team" section's encyclopedic merits are dubious at best. I removed the obvious absurdities regarding the, no doubt quite amusing to the employees involved, 'Zune Teapot'; the entire section could stand to go as well. 70.124.79.217 08:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No it didn't. The user who added the section was logged in, and is thus incapable of being tracked with Wikiscanner. I checked over the the article, and IIRC, the only suspicious edit since the section was added came from someone in Washington, who was connecting through Comcast (and thus likely a Microsoftie editing from home). -Mysekurity 01:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake. Some gentle, anonymous soul deleted the entire section soon after it was added, and the IP in question (131.107.0.73) re-added it, which I mistook as the original post. I don't think this was a Comcast user in Washington State, as a tracert resolves the IP unambiguously to tide503.microsoft.com. If you go to the user page for this IP, it says right at the top that it's attributed to Microsoft, and there are a bevy of warnings of all types below it. The logged in user who made the initial post, Clinton Fowler, is a program manager for the Xbox and a personal friend of J Allard. Google "Clinton Fowler Microsoft" for research. The anonymous Microsoft employee even mentions him by name in the section in a later edit. 70.124.79.217 07:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gotcha. But if my almost-two years here at WP (and use of WikiScanner) have taught me anything, it's that people whose usernames resemble a name aren't necessarily that person, and IPs that look to be originating from a place may not have anything to do with that company. I'm not saying that these users aren't MS employees--they probably are--just that it doesn't matter. Everyone writes with a bias, and Wikipedia's job is to sort that out and make it useful. As it stands now, the Team section is not useful and contains Original Research. So yes, it should be gutted or deleted. But my main qualm is that the rest of the article is so blatantly anti-Zune (bashing it for things competitor's articles fail to mention), that this human interest piece, irrelevant as it is, is the only thing that keeps the article neutral, and that, I believe is the Greater Good. -Mysekurity 06:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to get one thing wrong. Even if these edits did not originate from Microsoft computers, they are non-encyclopedic in style and scope as well as irrelevant to the topic, and therefore should be deleted. While the team section could be important if it concerned people who had major influence in designing/developing Zune, it only deals with those involved in product marketing and the Zune Marketplace, as well as Microsoft corporate culture in the second sub-section. None of these provide information about the Zune itself, none of these alleviate any possible bias (I did not check whether this bias exists) in the other sections, none of these belong into this article (and I'd doubt they did for any other article). We achieve no neutrality by filling the article up with nonsense. Don Cuan 17:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call. Consider it done. -Mysekurity 18:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team Section 

message: I downloaded Zune to share media with my 360... Basically I wanted to display my Full Metal Alchemist shows through my tv without having to use an S-Video cable. For some reason though Zune will not read the Div-X files. Does anyone know a way around this or a free conversion program? 206.229.18.66 15:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try using Windows Media Player. It's basically the same software with a different interface and more codec support. Windows Media Player 11 also features the Share with Xbox 360 feature, and will play all of your DivX-encoded files. The Zune device itself doesn't support anything other than wmv, and the Zune software needs to re-encode all videos to the right format. Hope this helps. -Mysekurity 21:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: video media files

message: From Infobox PMP to Information appliance. Both templates contain the same queries, with the latter suppling more to facilitate a broader range of devices. No data from this article was removed.
By the way, Infobox PMP is being considered for deletion. --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 02:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template conversion 

message: I have started to improve the specifications section -- I am adding a comparison table of the four different models.  Right now, I've commented the old stuff out, but it is still there.  If someone would like to add some of that stuff back in following that format, that would be great, otherwise I will be getting to that in the very near future.  (I need to go to bed now so I can't do the rest)  
If someone does add more stuff to the table, could you please get rid of the reference notes?  It's almost impossible to understand the code, and in the article that huge list is insane!  I think something should be done about that.  
I'll be adding more tomorrow (or I guess it would be today). Imperator3733 05:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Started Specifications section improvement 

message: Should the Halo 3 themed Zune be added to the Zune#Specifications of the Zune 30 as a "color" in the table? 198.239.152.71 18:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Good idea. Imperator3733  —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 23:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halo 3 themed Zune  

message: why were the pictures of the new Zune 30, 80, 4, and 8 taken off? --Mpfterd 14:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure, but I notice people are adding fair use images of the Zune instead of using free ones, so I put a free one there. They are always better than promotional images. If you want to add a picture of a new model that hasn't been released, just wait until it is. A new model does not justify using a fair use image when a free one of a slightly older model is available. -- ReyBrujo 21:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a fair use image of the new Zune line available. The justification for using a free image over a fair use one only applies when the free image provides the same information as the fair use image. Since it does not (there are only free images of the Zune 30), the fair use image is justified. I have also added this explanation to the fair use image's page since it was up for deletion (again, there is no free image to replace it, so it should not be deleted). Charles 15:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the product hasn't yet been launched, and this article focuses on the already released item instead of the future ones, I don't think fair use can be claimed. -- ReyBrujo 00:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article focuses on the entire Zune product line. Charles 01:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As you say, if it focuses on the entire Zune product line, any image of the product line is useful there. -- ReyBrujo 03:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is just awful logic. If it focuses on the entire line, and there is an image of the entire line, we should use that image, regardless of it's current status as being incorrectly marked as replaceable. I've said it before, the images of the new Zune line are NOT replaceable because it is essentially impossible to get one as it has not been released yet. Wait a few weeks until it is released, THEN delete the non-free image. We have a responsibility to provide as much correct information as possible, not to delete a useful image because there AREN'T better options. Charles 04:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Zune Pics Deleted?