Talk:Naruto: Saikyou Ninja Daikesshu 4

message: This makes absolutely no sense. Why in the world would they skip the third one??
:It doesn't matter. Maybe they viewed Ninja 4 as far superior?
:Regardless, there is no evidence that Naruto 3 is Ninja Council 3, but the fact that Ninja Council 3 and Naruto 4 are the only Naruto sidescrolling games with 20 characters is evidence. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at the reference section of the article. YES THERE IS. Stop removing the release date and american name and stop vandalizing the article. WikiLoco 19:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I see the reference page, but there's nothing on that page that says that the Naruto Ninja Council 3 game in America is the NNC4 game in Japan. I think it's more likely that it's actually the NNC3 game in Japan. WP:RS Exceptional claims require exceptional sources. We don't have exceptional sources, so the exceptional claim will be reverted unless we can get better sourcing. McKay 22:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: IGN thinks that NNC3 is SND3:  McKay 18:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

message: *Naruto: Ninja Council took almost three years to come out in America after its Japanese release.
*Naruto: Ninja Council 2 took about 2 1/2 years to come out in America after its Japanese release.
*saying that NNC3 is SND3 is implying that it will take 2 years to come out in America. Is that too hard to believe? No!
*saying that NNC3 is SND4 is implying that it will take 1 year to come out in America. Is that too hard to believe? YES!
*Why do I say that? Let's take a look at the Naruto Release History.
*Take a look at the next episode to come out in america: Third Hokage, Forever... The japanese release was 3 years ago! Episode 80.
*When SND3 came out in japan, they were on about episode 130. They were twice as far along into the story as we are now. going further would take an exceptional source.
*Right now, we are 3 years behind the Japanese in Naruto Episodes. Jumping up to SND4 is unrealistic.
McKay 20:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It´s the character count/Screenshots. All signs point to 4. Stop reverting changes. - !Malomeat 01:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you link me with exceptionally reliable sources what you mean by that? All I've seen is a link to IGN screenshots that show that IGN thinks NNC3 is SND3. We'll need to see exceptional sources. McKay 14:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Not Ninja Council 3

message: A new trailer has been released on Game Trailers.  Are we now able to tell if this game is SND4 or not? (I've never played it, so I wouldn't know) TITROTU 20:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now there is no doubt in my mind that this is 4. The changes will be made. - !Malomeat 01:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted. See below. McKay 17:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trailer

message: Guys, check out gamespot for the new screens of Ninja Council 3. US version of ninja council 3=ninja council 4. I'll be the first to admit that I was wrongShariganwarrior
:While I agree that NNC3 looks a lot like SND4, Wikipedia is based strongly on a principle of Attribution. We can't say that SND4 is NNC3. Doing so is WP:OR. This is not an issue of what the truth is, this is an issue of verifiability. McKay 17:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources were never a problem. Neither was research. This has gotten ridiculous. Now it´s just you alone reverting edits. Everybody knows 3 was skipped. The trailer even shows it. Give up already. - !Malomeat 00:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: sources were always the problem. I've been asking for sources and attributability and No OR the whole time. McKay 17:44, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Screens

message: how are they gonna put the picture for the 3rd one and this is the fourth one
and how does the fourth one come out before the third
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.255.203.51 (talk) 01:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The current consensus is that Naruto Ninja Council 3 is going to be SND4. Which implies that they're probably skipping SND3 in the US. what to do next is a question asked in the previous section: #Move McKay 14:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stupid 

message: Please don't get me wrong here, I think that NNC3 will be SND4, but right now we've only got one reference on that fact, and the reliability of that source isn't the best. Can we get a better source on that. I've a few things I'd like to do, but I'd like to wait until it's better sourced. McKay 15:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, Gamefaqs seems to think that NNC3 is SND3  Gah, can we get more reliable sources on which game NNC3 is really? McKay 15:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmm, IGN seems to think that NNC3 is SND3 (and SND2) . Evidence that it's really SND4 is diminishing, can we get more sources, before I make a radical change to the article? McKay 15:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: May I recomend adding a section to this article called "Changes in US version" explaining what was removed?70.83.177.152 16:16, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We can simply add that to the US section we already have, but I'm not necessarily against the idea of adding a subsection under the US release info for the changes made. I'm okay with whatever works best. I put in my opinion, and I'll leave the final decision-making to the rest of the community. // DecaimientoPoético 18:29, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I think my vote now is that NNC3 should be its own article, It's kinda a merge between SND3 and SND4, and we don't have any great reliable sources saying it's one or the other. McKay 20:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, so a page for Saikyou Ninja Daikesshu 3, Saikyou Ninja Daikesshu 4, and Ninja Council 3? It might cause some problems with the infobox, but it's a small problem that can be worked out in a few minutes. I say we give your idea a shot and see how it goes. // DecaimientoPoético 20:32, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Is this okay? // DecaimientoPoético 20:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recommended Section

message: We don't need to provide a source if we can strongly show to editors that NC3 is SND4. Screenshots, facts, and boxarts state that it is SND4. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, given the current evidence, I'm in support of a merge. McKay 19:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: For Heaven's sakes, merge.