Talk:Richard Lewontin

message: "When an eminent Franco-American actor saw Lewontin's performance, he dubbed him the most naturally talented actor he had ever seen, and attempted to get him to sign a Hollywood contract."
: performance in what?  I've removed that pending clearer wording and some kind of reference. -- Danny Yee 13:57, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  acting talent? 

message: Yep, quite correct Danny Yee.  I took out the MacDonald reference from the sources, but I missed the parenthetical mention. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 21:27, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal 

message: Is Richard Lewontin an Russian (or Ukraine) American? This may have something to do with his political views. Anyhow, if someone knows this, this may be added to the section on his biography. (Postdoc 18:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian or Ukraine American? 

message: A section has been added by an anonymous user 87.114.148.156 which is mostly concerned to persuade us how wrong Lewontin was in committing Lewontin's fallacy and how terribly misleading this has been.  This has been struggled with on the page Lewontin's Fallacy and reached a reasonable state, where it is made clear that whether there is such a Fallacy depends on what question is being asked (and a reference to a paper by R. Chakraborty saying that was given).  The present section quotes material from that page while coming to a very different conclusion.  The fact that with enough loci we can differentiate clearly between, say, Norwegians and Swedes, does not persuade us that we ought to call those different races.  The author of this new section apparently thinks this, though.  This anonymous author should reconsider.  Felsenst 06:35, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Organisations such as the American Anthropological Association, and many academics and politicians frequently cite this fallacy as though it were fact with the cliche that 'the differences between races are the same as those within them', Edwards' work clarifies the fallaciousness of this statement. The types of difference between races are not the same as the types of differences within them"
as these convey the wholly misleading impression that differences between races are somehow special and utterly unlike differences between any two populations.  Edwards's point, that one can discriminate clearly between races by using enough loci, is true for any two populations, the difference being that more loci will be required the  less the populations differ.  Felsenst (talk) 05:50, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The entire section seems odd at best. One can find numerous papers critical of Lewontin's views. Why should this one particularly be selected for an entire section here? Doesn't a link in the "see also" section suffice? Furthermore, it's in the section on Lewontin's critique of evolutionary theory. This is clearly an unsuitable location for a reference to criticism of Lewontin himself. --Silver Pyrogenesis (talk) 16:17, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lewontin's Fallacy 

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thread_title:  Intelligence Citations Bibliography for Articles Related to IQ Testing 

message: I've removed two cryptic, unexplained figures from this section. While one might guess at the meaning of the figures, no legend is given, nor a reference to some work of Lewontin's that might explain them, and one contains an outright error ('adaptionist' [sic]). The title of the section is also poorly chosen-- Lewontin's views are pretty much the definition of orthodox evolutionary biology-- but the section does address some important views of Lewontin, and I don't have any immediate suggestions for cleaning up it's title and content. MayerG (talk) 05:49, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critique of orthodox evolutionary biology 

message: This isn't at all about his "personal life - which should be about family etc.
What we have here is a bit about his academic interactions with some academic philosophers.  If this information is to be included in this article, it should be classified elsewhere.
If there is to be a "Personal life" section, it should contain appropriate information.  If there is none to be had (or if no-one wants to, or is brave enough, to write it here), then this section should be removed.  101.117.70.185 (talk) 02:52, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Personal life" section 

message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4TwiXs056A has some of EO Wilson's recounting of Lewontin--some info which we might want to include starting at about 7 min in. I haven't figured out a good way to integrate it yet (if at all)--but note it here as a reminder to me and others to think it through more. The information about Lewontin's  scientific productivity does seem important, although I'm not sure the best way to integrate this. Pengortm (talk) 04:47, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some oral history on Lewontin from EO Wilson 

message: Can we can a pronunciation key for "Lewontin"? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 03:53, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "Can we can"?   If you mean "can we have", actually no.  I was Dick's graduate student in the mid-1960s.  Whenever someone asked him which way he wanted to have his name pronounced,  LEW-on-tin  or  le-WON-tin, he would say that either was OK with him.  Most people I know use the former.  Felsenst (talk) 00:12, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of "Lewontin" 

message: Hi, repeated vandalism is done by WeijiBaikeBianji who delete important part of the general presentation about Lewontin. Something should be done. --195.244.166.33 (talk) 10:14, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not vandalism. The content you are adding is unsourced and violates wikipedia policy - please read WP:RS and WP:BLP. Melcous (talk) 11:38, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

text: Before you come to edit English-language Wikipedia, please learn to spell English words like "vandalism". By the bright-line policy of WP:BLP, "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." This is a known exception to the rule about how many times one editor may revert an edit. Also an exception to the rule about counting repeated reversions is the  rule about evading blocks. "Anyone is free to revert any edits made in violation of a block, without giving any further reason and without regard to the three-revert rule." Rather, you, sir, should provide a positive rationale for content that you propose be put into a Wikipedia article, based on  reliable sources, and you should be especially careful about that when referring to living person. And you should not misuse false accusations of "Vendalism" against an editor (me) who knows the rules here, so I will refactor the title of your comment according to  the rule, "Talk pages are for improving the encyclopedia, not for expressing personal opinions on a subject or an editor." -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 13:36, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I call on the team of administrators of Wikipedia to protect this page from I.P. edits so that the repeated defamatory vandalism by 195.244.166.33 does not recur here. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 19:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  
Vendalism
 recent BLP/EVADE policy-motivated edits by WeijiBaikeBianji  

message: Richard Lewontin is married to Mary Jane Lewontin, not Mary Ann.  If you search (Google) for "Mary Jane Lewontin" you will find an interview where Lewontin himself refers to his wife as "Mary Jane". Felsenst (talk) 06:27, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine, correct it. Thank you for explaining the issue on the talk page. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 06:31, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mary Jane, not Mary Ann 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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https://usdaynews.com/celebrities/celebrity-death/richard-lewontin-death-cause/#
Waiting for confirmation in MSM. Hanjaf1 (talk) 00:10, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Death

message: A "citation needed" tag in the section on Dick's work in population genetics suggests that the text has it backwards, that surely he must have been the first to do multilocus simulations, not single-locus simulations.  I wrote the offending sentence and I stand by it.  There were multilocus simulations earlier (notably by Alex Fraser) but Dick's paper with L. C. Dunn in _Genetics_ in 1960 on the T-allele in mice simulated the behavior of that locus, and was the first simulation to concentrate on the behavior of a single locus.  The theory and simulation in that paper was Dick's work. Felsenst (talk) 15:38, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dick and genetic simulation 

message: I don't have time to figure out how/if to integrate this source yet, but came across the following:
:"Edwards forwarded his (2003) paper to Ernst Mayr, perhaps the most important figure in the development ofmodern evolutionary theory. Mayr’s reply,which has never been published before, is quite interesting:
::Thank you for your letter of 20Aug [2003] and your reprint about Lewontin’s trickery. I had already some years ago called attention to Lewontin’s misleading claims. I suggest
Lewontin’s [2000] book The Triple Helix. The unwary reader will not discover how totally biased his presentation is. All evidence opposed to his claims is simply omitted!
And if you present the truth you are denounced as a Nazi or Fascist! The public unfortunately is all too easily deceived! Particularly when wishful thinking is involved!
::Best regards
::Ernst Mayr
:Many scientists have complained in private correspondences that Lewontin’s science was heavily influenced by his politics. Francis Crick wrote to Peter Medawar in 1977: “Lewontin…is known to be strongly politically biased and himself admits to being scientifically unscrupulous on these issues. That is, he takes them as political ones and therefore feels justified in the use of biased arguments” (quoted in Sesardic 2010, 434). Very few scientists have expressed such views in public, and, in some cases, they may have been prevented from expressing such views by reluctant publishers. Fear of being “denounced as a Nazi or Fascist”—among both scientists and publishers of scientific material—has been effective in stifling open inquiry for decades into issues thought to have implications for morality or politics."-Pengortm (talk) 00:20, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work on human genetic diversity 

message: The name of one of Dick's students was improperly removed from the list of his students in the combox, on the grounds that this student did not himself have a Wikipedia page.  But the student does have a Wikipedia page.  I refer, of course to myself.  Felsenst (talk) 19:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Restored. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Generalrelative (talk) 02:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name removed improperly