Talk:Pyrometric cone

message: Thank you for your message. As you note Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopaedia, however the changes I have made to the entries have been to correct errors in what have most certainly not been “existing accurate information”, and these have included:
1. Cones are made of "chemically refined clay" This is meaningless and shows ignorance of how ceramic raw materials and processed and used
2. More than clay is for cones. A range of compositions of different minerals dependent on their rating
3. The entry only mentions Orton cones where other manufacturers exist
4. There is no mention of other pyrometric devices
5. Your messages describes “Wedgewood” .. at least spell the name correctly: Wedgwood
6. I corrected an entry on earthenware, not least to replace the suggestion that potash is an ingredient. Have you ever formulated a body ... if you had you would know that the use potash, or potassium carbonate, is unknown
7. Earthenware again: classically most is not red as many examples are white or off white
Kiln entry: they do not ‘chemically refine clay objects’ For a start the objects will be comprised of more than just clay, and again “chemically refine” is a meaningless. Although not definitive something better would be ”To induce permanent physical and chemical changes that converts a relatively weak and porous material consisting of innumerable particles into a strong, single mass composed on a glassy phase interspersed with pores and crystalline material.”
8. Change entry on soft –paste porcelain. The original entry suggested the glass was used .. correct for the early developments but with the very occasionally exception, such as Belleck, its not been used for 200 years. Similarly for soapstone and lime
And with respect your statement "as a working potter, I can assure you that I will evaluate and discuss your contributions and that worthy material" is arrogant. To refer back to your statement that Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopaedia" Have you ever considered that others may have  better understanding of the subject than yourself, yet you deem yourself to a worthy moderator?
I’m sorry that my contributions are not welcome, not least as I thought Wikipedia was an open source. How many other knowledgeable contributors do you wish to exclude?
Thank you for coming to the talk page.  Although I have done little work on this page, and earthenware is not my area of expertise, I will continue to revert until we arrive at some agreement.  Please provide your sources and do not delete images, references and large chunks of material without explanation.  That is considered vandalism on Wikipedia. An "edit war" - where people constantly delete and revert is also inappropriate.  Your implications that I am arrogant for defending work here -- most of which is not mine -- suggests that you are setting yourself up as the expert.  I am not a monitor -- but I will uphold Wikipedia guidelines and practices.  So, work on small segments of each article, provide a written source, and you will have more success.  The ceramic/pottery articles here are generally deficient in many ways and could use work.  But the work on Wikipedia is collaborative and works toward concensus.  Please read Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and consider registering as a user.  Then your contributions will carry more weight and, if necessary, you can request arbitration on some of your concerns.         
Yes, I am a working potter, with over 20 years experience, but if you work in clay as well you must realize there are many ways of accomplishing the same goals.  I have formulated clay bodies and glazes and have used many different materials.  Potash was used prehistorically and historically in earthenware, although I am aware that is is rarely used in modern products.  Earthenware in many areas of the world is red -- very high iron content.  If you want to make the distinction for other areas of the world, please be specific and include it in existing text.  Your points deserve discussion and inclusion, for example the information on other cone manufactures.  Please add it -- but don't replace wholesale.  As you seem to have valuable information, I hope that you will consider sticking around.  WBardwin 00:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Andy, so cones provide an indication of maturity, rather than of raw temperature? Thanks. --Nick 09:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Hello Andy, just to remind you of my comment above, I came across a reference the other day to the use of pyrometric cones made from loess being used by Northern Song potters, 800-years before Seger. Regards, Nick. Nick 20:36, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: The Orton Pyrometric Cone is the only cone currently made in accordance with the ASTM Standard... Can someone tell me with which ASTM standard Orton cones are said to comply? I think that without this information the quoted statement can't be allowed to stand. Regards, Nick. Nick 11:21, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which ASTM? 

message: Hi Stuph, thanks for adding the link to Orton's site. It appears then that there isn't an ASTM for pyrometric cones. However, the manufacture and control of Orton cones is carried out in accordance with procedures developed with the NBS in 1956 and the cones are tested using a furnace controlled in accordance with procedures worked out with the NBS in 1980. This is my reading, is it yours too? I note their intention to implement an ISO 9000 quality system. All good stuff, but I still think your words could do with some amendments (eg. I think you are using the word accuracy where you might mean precision). Only Orton cones... Do me a favour, blow that Only away <g>. Regards, Nick. Nick 18:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on standards 

message: Hey, Would standard pyrometric cones be worth any thing, I think they are the original kind Edward Orten?
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