Talk:Laconia

message: Not sure that External links in German serve any purpose. I deleted the first one (404 Not Found error). The second one has pictures but they are far from riveting.
--Pat Hotorato 02:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Use the "Edit this page" tab at the top, instead of trying to edit the section. Nahaj 00:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Like what? Nahaj 00:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Only if you take "recently" as meaning "sometime prior to the 1800's... And it DOES have its own section, see Mani Peninsula Nahaj 00:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
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message: Is'nt there a legend in which Alexander sends an ultimatum to Laconia which goes something like,
"If I invade Laconia,......" to which they replied "If" and that this is of relevance in the coining of the 'Laconic' word. Vatsa 22:45, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laconic expressions 

message: We have a note on the later usage of the word "laconic", but what is the origin/etymology of the word "Laconia" itself? -- 201.50.254.243 11:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is origin of word "Laconia"? 

message: I do not have access to the sources for the section Laconia#Ancient history, but from what little I know, events separated by a thousand years are confused here. The text states:
::Advanced Bronze Age art is found here, and evidence of cultural associations with the co-temperaneous Minoan culture on Crete.C. Michael Hogan, Knossos fieldnotes, Modern Antiquarian (2007)  Laconia was at war with the Kingdom of Macedonia and saw several battles; at the end of the Mycenean period population of Laconia declined sharply.Sarah B. Pomeroy, Stanley M. Burstein and Walter Donlan (1998) Ancient Greece: A Political, Social, and Cultural History, 512 pages, Oxford University Press, 
The closest analogy I can think of to this confused text in modern and westernised terms would be something like this, in an article about the history of England:
::There are several texts dating from the era of the Anglo-Saxon kings.  However, London, the English capital was heavily bombed in a war with Germany, whence the Normands succeded to overthrow the old kingdom.
Yes, the Minoan and Mycenian eras were as different in time from the Spartan-Macedonian war as the battle of Hastings was from the Second World war.
According to Cretan hieroglyphs, texts in Linear B indeed have been found in Laconia, which indicates a Minoan presence in the very early Lacedaimon.  The Minoan period was followed by the Mycenian (associated with texts in Linear B; I do not know if Linear B texts have been found in Laconia, but they definitely are found in Peloponnesos).  All this happened very much earlier than the "classical period"; Thukydides once visited the ruins of Mycenae, and discusses whether or not the stories about its old power were compatible with the not very impressive remaints.
I think it is rather likely that indeed the area was partly depopulated at the end of the Mycenian period.  I have read about archaeological signs for a bloody end of the epoch, and also about linduistic evidence, in the form of Arcadian dialects on Cyprus (where also a syllabic script clearly related to Linear B was used until classical times).  However, all this was a very long time before the conflict between Sparta and Macedonia.  In fact, the depopulation may be associated with the arrival of the Dorians to Peloponnesis, and if so should predate or coincide with the creation of Sparta; while the conflict with Macedonia marked the end of Sparta as an independent political entity.
I hope that someone with access to the sources may correct the misunderstandings, and instead present whatever the sources really stated as facts. JoergenB (talk) 06:34, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused ancient history? 

message: I will replace the word 'co-temperaneous' by 'contemporaneous', which is certainly what was intended, regardless of the validity of the paragraph.
JohnOFL (talk) 20:27, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused spelling, at least! 

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