Talk:List of French Jews

message: please add to the list or answer me.
* Hector Berlioz, the composer? I have heard he was Jewish from many sources. I'll try to get clearer references. Wikipedia page on him says his father was atheist, but that shouldn't be a problem, in my opinion. Of course, he was a Catholic, but if Jewish by ancestry, he should be here. 75.84.98.250 (talk) 05:32, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 10:38, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mad Jack 21:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish? / In the List? 

message: can someone erase it ???
Taken care of.
:Apparently, as soon as this was taken care of a user promptly reverted the removal. Apparently people on this list are Jewish even when no sources exist to say they are. 72.144.136.54 13:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liliane Bettencourt isn't Jewish. Not that I care that she's on the list but it isn't accurate. Her son in law is Jewish but she isn't. Can someone prove different??? 

message: Balthus has a reference, so should not be deleted.  Jewprom is not a Wikipedia mirror.  It does link to Wikipedia (not the same thing), but it has a list of the sources it has used.  True, Amazon does sell biographies, but that does not mean that every statement on the Amazon site is an official or authorised biography.--20.138.246.89 15:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Further references have been found for Balthus; in any case, Jewprom is not discredited (see Talk:List of Polish Jews).--Brownlee 20:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the paragraph above. Nobody is saying 0 sources exist saying Balthus's mother was of Jewish faith. 72.144.136.114 16:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balthus 

message: As discussed at Talk:Alexander Grothendieck, his father was undoubtedly jewish and the best source says that his mother was, too. Even if she was not, this is a list of "Jews and people of Jewish origins", so he is clearly eligible.--Brownlee 16:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alexander Grothendieck 

message: The following need to be sourced to sources that say they are Jewish
* Justine Lévy, novelist 
Mad Jack 21:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: I cannot see any reason to make a major change to the scope of this list, which would put it out of line with many other similar lists.  There is no general Wikipedia policy on ethnic lists, despite more than one attempt to agree on one.  However, it is common practice to include people with partial Jewish ancestry, so long as their entry makes clear what their ancestry is.  The change to the unique rule on List of British Jews was made after a vote on the talk page of that article, which is obviously not binding on other articles.  We should not make such a change here unless and until we have had a similar vote.  And if the intention had been to move to the same policy as that list, a similar wording should have been used: "List of French Jews is a list that includes Jewish people from France and its predecessor states."--Newport 21:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this is not right.  As has been repeatedly stated, this is not just a list of practising Jews.--20.138.246.89 11:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing the scope of this list 

message: Being used to Wiki too much, I just want to say it quickly: this list makes me sick, and it probably makes a lot of other Wikipedians sick. Probably a lot of them are French (that's why they stumbled there) and not much less Jewish. To put it clearly: the huge majority of French people do not classify themselves according to religion or ethnicity, and the last time some guy made such a list... well, he was called :fr:André Tulard, and this definitely deserved to be translated (for non-French speaking people: André Tulard was in charge of the Direction of Foreign Service and Jewish Affairs at the prefecture of Police before 1940 and after 1940. Although the French state claimed its files were deleted in 1945, they were actually found by some stubborn historians in... the early 1990s ! Fifty years since the French state has retained a list of "its French Jews"... Just in case? What are you Wikipedians innocently doing, trying to be "philo-semitic" or "anti-semitic" as one fellow put up out there? Just... leave it there! Classify your friends, on your personal diaries, if you will — leave strangers alone! Lapaz
:I forgot to say the evidence: those files made the Gestapo's work really, really, easy. Most of the people taken away during the Rafle du Vel'd'Hiv in July 1942 wouldn't have been, if it weren't for these... sick classifications. Think about it, boy !Lapaz
:: Just stumbled on this article. This list and other lists related to religion belief are plain appalling. Unbelievable ! - Wikigi | talk to me | 08:07, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I have to say that this article has a bit of an anti-semitic side to it... I think it's almost as bad as a german equivalent... Hyg53 (talk) 16:15, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  This article, and ones like it, makes me sick as well, and angry beyond words. I simply cannot understand why Jimmy Wales and the Wikimedia Foundation continue to permit these list articles and categories compiled by racists and race obsessed individuals to exist. --- What makes lists like this one particularly offensive is that it identifies people as Jews (or whatever) by the article title even if they never practiced the faith themselves; only that some editor has determined an ancestor or relative - even distant - once practiced the faith (or had an ancestor of a certain ethnic heritage). However, personally, I am outraged by all of these types of lists. --- American Wikipediens, in particular, seem to continue to accept the historical « one drop rule » as an acceptable methodology and standard to apply in all sorts of absurd ways to categorize people. I am certain that there are tens of thousands of Wikipédiens that hope this deeply offensive categorization and list making will permanently end one day soon. Charvex (talk) 06:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sick classification; someone has heard about [[André Tulard]] here? 

message: Be careful of what corrections are made to the sources of this list. According to the hierarchy of reliable sources the person themselves has the last word on their religion, ethnicity, nationality and so on. Second to that comes family, but priority goes to family publications than just statements. So, under these circumstances, both Balthus, who makes it painfully clear he was not Jewish to many biographers and Eugene Ionesco, who actually never said he was of Jewish descent, doesn't qualify. Anyone who has read Ionesco's autobiographical writings --- one can search them here http://www.amazon.com/Present-Past-Personal-Memoir/dp/0306808358 and these are really really short, it only took me a few hours to read --- knows that there is absolutely no mention of a Jewish mother or any sort of Jewish heritage anywhere in the book, which apparently supports his daughter's claim that the statement of "affirming his Jewish origins" is a lie. Mehmeda 00:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Corrections

message: I haven't been able to find any source that Michel Eyquem de Montaigne's mother was born a Jew, only that her family had once descended from Jews. This could be said of many Spanish families at the times of the explusions, and who knows how many generations back this conversion may have happened. It doesn't say. Does anybody know? Mehmeda 00:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Encyclopaedia Judaica says explicitly that his mother was Jewish.--Newport 01:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it say she was Jewish or "descended from a Jewish family"? A lot of Spaniards are descended from a Jewish family. Many many. Perhaps as much as 10% of the current population had a background where conversion took place. Mehmeda 01:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Montaigne

message: * Jean Taubenhaus, chess master 
Need another reference for Taubenhaus. Mehmeda 01:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Taubenhaus

message: Only, one of his grand-father was a Jew. See Debré family.--Olevy (talk) 09:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Debré

message: About the deletion of names by JohnInDC under the specious motive "rm series of unsourced / non-notable additions". First, all of the journalists cited are notables, as they all have their own article on fr.wiki, and are notably jewish. Secondly, they are not unsourced, some of them are already sourced (by libération, rue89, that, if you know this country, are notable newspapers). And which was not the case for the 12 names that were already on the list of journalists you edited without sources.--Elias545 (talk) 22:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's appropriate to add a couple dozen redlinked names to an article, claiming Jewish heritage or ancestry for each name, based on pages that (apparently) exist only on Wikipedia:fr.  It is even *less* appropriate to characterize legitimately expressed concerns as "vandalism".  Don't do that any more.  For now I am going to place a template message on that section, indicating that it is poorly sourced (which it is) in the hope that in addition to adding these ostensibly notable names to this list, you'll undertake to create articles here on :en for the ones that are truly notable.  JohnInDC (talk) 00:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not quite comfortable with the foregoing and I've raised the issue here.  JohnInDC (talk) 00:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: (copy of my answer there) About the notability in a list of french people. These french journalists are notable in France and the french-speaking world. It would not be legitimate to ask for them to be notable internationally or in the english-speaking world (like in the US, Australia or the UK). As it would not be for all the journalists on List of Jewish American journalists to ask for them to be famous outside of the US (all the people on this list are red-linked on other wikipedias).</br>Some of these french journalists are red-linked, but the sames have full articles on fr.wiki (which applies strictly the criterias of notability). ie: Élisabeth Lévy/:fr:Élisabeth Lévy, Michel Field/:fr:Michel Field, Marc-Olivier Fogiel/:fr:Marc-Olivier Fogiel etc, these articles are not stubs and these people are famous and notable in the said country.</br>Asking for french people to be notable in the US would be a cultural/national bias.--Elias545 (talk) 09:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've responded at WP:EAR.  Let's keep the discussion in one place; if and when a resolution is reached we can copy the discussion to this page.  JohnInDC (talk) 10:51, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Last addition and unjustified deletion

message: Now according to most sources including his own Wikipedia page Roman Polanski is at least half & possibly three fourths Jewish and he is a citizen of France as sited in many pages such as Roman Polanski sexual abuse case or even . so I placed him on this list but he was taken off of this list by someone saying 'removing Roman Polanski. He cannot be considered "French" by any extent' which I don not because is right because of his current citizenship. Grantblack (talk) 22:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polanski 

message: There are about thirteen people on this list whose names are colored in  red instead of black meaning that their pages do not exist English language Wikipeda. So I think that those should be deleted even those they have links, examples would be  Jacques Bigart, Arié Elmaleh, Elie Lazard, and Elie Semoun. Grantblack (talk) 8:41, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they should stay. See WP:REDLINK Jesse V. (talk) 19:25, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing people from this page whose (pages do not exist)

message: *Bernard Natan (1886-1942) Former head of Pathé, director
*Jean Sarkozy and wife (son of French president Nicolas Sarkozy)
* David Abiker, journalist for Europe 1
* Alexandre Adler, journalist for Arte
* Laure Adler, journalist for France télévision and Le Monde
* Claude Askolovitch, journalist for Europe 1
* Alain Ayache
* Georges-Marc Benamou
* Françoise Benhamou, journalist for Esprit (magazine)
* Pierre Bénichou, former journalist of Le Nouvel Observateur
* Guy Birenbaum, journalist for BFM tv
* Philippe Bouvard, journalist for Figaro, France Soir, Paris-Match
* Rony Brauman, columnist for Libération and l'Humanité
* Gérard Carreyrou
* Patrick Cohen, journalist for Europe 1
* Jean Daniel, founder of Le Nouvel Observateur
* Nicolas Demorand, journalist for Europe 1Liberation, Voix expresse, 04/22/2008 Nicolas Demorand, «juif culturel»
* Michel Drucker journalist for France 2
* Marie Drucker journalist for France 3
* Jean-Pierre Elkabbach journalist for Europe 1
* Ruth Elkrief journalist for BFM TV
* Charles Enderlin, journalist for France 2 and a dual French-Israeli national
* Raphaël Enthoven, journalist for Philosophie magazine and Arte
* Michel Field
* Marc-Olivier Fogiel journalist 
* Franz-Olivier Giesbert rédacteur en chef, Le Point
* Marc Gilbert journalist for the ORTF
* Mikaël Guedj, journalist for Direct 8
* Bernard Guetta, journalist for France Inter and Le Monde
* Serge Halimi, journalist for Le Monde diplomatique
* Jean-Francis Held, journalist for Le Nouvel Observateur
* Danièle Heymann, journalist for France Inter
* Erik Izraelewicz, director of Le Monde
* Serge July, co-founder of Libération
* Jean-François Kahn, founder of Marianne (magazine)
* Guy Konopnicki, journalist for Marianne
* Élisabeth Lévy, founder of Causeur (magazine)
* Ivan Levaï, journalist for France Inter
* Philippe Meyer, journalist for France Inter
* Alain Minc, former director of Le Monde
* Edouard Minc, director of Paris-Match
* Serge Moati artist, journalist, film director and writer
* Dominique Moïsi, french columnist for international newspapers
* Géraldine Muhlmann, journalist for France 5
* Robert Namias, journalist for TF1Libération, Robert Namias, 52 ans, directeur de l'information. 12/20/1996
* Laurent Neumann, journalist for RMC (radio)
* Christine Ockrent, journalist for L'Express
* Edwy Plenel, founder of Mediapart
* Michel Polac, journalist for Charlie Hebdo
* Claude Sarraute, former journalist for Le Monde
* Colombe Schneck, journalist for i>télé
* Daniel Schneidermann, founder of Arrêt sur image
* Jean-Jacques Servan-Schreiber directeur, L'Express
* Alain-Gérard Slama, journalist for France Culture
* Frank Tapiro, journalist for RMC (radio)
* Elisabeth Tordjman, journalist for Direct 8
* Éric Zemmour political journalist
* Jean-Claude Zylberstein
* Arthur Sadoun and wife Anne-Sophie Lapix
* Mélissa Theuriau 
* Max Boublil
* Danny Boon
* Kev Adams
* Arié Elmaleh
--Davvyfatboy (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 11:19, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Names that should be on the list

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