Talk:The Adventures of Tintin/Archive 1

message: They are rather odd at the moment, like someone is trying to be arty rather than informative. There is no prominent image of Tintin himself on the entire page, for example,
:In accordance with FU, copyrighted images should be kept at a maximum.  Nobody is trying to be arty, the lead photo is well suited to illustrating the series and has the benefit of being a free to use image.  Please appreciate that using copyrighted images is something we are lucky to do on the English Wikipedia, other wikipedia's do not have such policies, for example contrast with the german version of this page. Currently, there are no images of Tintin himself uploaded to Wikipedia that meet Wikipedia's usage policies. Hiding Talk 10:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These images should indeed be kept to a minimum, but if you should not use them on your user page or other non-directly related pages, I think that fair-use crtiteria for Tintin-related image does apply to this page without problem. I think the new images suffer from severe quality problems : The first one (books cover) has blown out highlights and is badly cropped (there is some unrelated material visible at the bottom, and some of the covers are cut off). The one with the watch is completely out of focus and badly cropped (part of a doorway visible). If I am not mistaken, you are the author of the stuffed Snowies picture and the last picture. Would it be possible to re-take those two pictures? The stuffed snowy would benefit from being taken out of their shelf and placed on a table or other open space for the picture. The Watch picture needs to be in focus. Besides, I am not a copyright expert, but I am not sure that a picture of a copyrighted book cover doesn't fall under copyright laws. By the way, it seems that the first picture is being discussed for deletion for that precise reason. Glaurung 07:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not the author of the images at all, no, I sourced them from flickr as being free to use.  The reliance of fair use images is a concern at the featured article review and that's what I am trying to address.  My understanding of fair use policy is that where a free alternative exists, it should be used.  The quality of the images seems acceptable from my end.  I'm no copyright expert either, and especially not on US copyright laws, so I can't comment on the status of that picture. Hiding Talk 08:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *It appears that the copyright status of these images is the same as images from the work, so where it makes sense to use the images from the work they can be replaced.  If you can find a better image that illustrates the merchandise section suitably, that would be great. Hiding Talk 09:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: *That said, it appears that a photograph of merchandise has two copyrights, one to the photographer and one to the charcter copyright holder, so the fair use is more complicated unless the photo is released as these have been, under a Wikipedia compliant free to use license. Hiding Talk 09:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: *Suggestion: Which image would be better suited for the merchandise section, the watch or the snowy image?  The Tintin and Snowy image works for both characters, really, so if you feel the Snowy image is better suited than the watch to illustrate that section, that seems a better idea.  On the wall shot, Perhaps the best image to use in the lead might be the cast shot :Image:TintinCast.gif?  Or do you have other thoughts? Hiding Talk 09:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I think the Snowy image is better for the merchandise section, and the cast shot for the top of the article. A better quality image for the merchandise would be welcome, but I shouldn't complain as I don't contribute any images ;-) Fram 09:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Okay, I've implemented that move then.  What I'll do either tonight or tomorrow is post links to the images I found on flickr and we can see what's the best one to use. Hiding Talk 10:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it looks pretty good like this. Thanks. -Glaurung 11:09, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page illustrations 

message: It suprises me that there is no list of the books with links to their wiki articles on the main tintin page
:There is an infobox at the very bottom of the page. Poulsen 21:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But said infobox does not organize the titles in any useful way.  A chronological list of the books would be desireable in a featured article.  (And I don't know what the order is, so don't tell me to do it myself.) 4.231.168.184 22:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of books with links? 

message: The lack of pictures is astounding. We need some Haddock, Calculus, milou, etc. in here. Lockeownzj00 04:08, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I am surprised that there are any images at all. All Tintin images are copyrighted and no images can be used without permission from the Fondation Hergé Moulinsart. Karl Stas 10:02, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Does Cuthbert Calculus qualify as a mad scientist ? He might be a stock character scientist but not mad IMO !
Ericd 22:46, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, Calculus doesn't qualify as a mad scientist. He's merely a little deaf, as he says when he introduces himself in Red Rackham's Treasure making a funny character, but nevertheless, being funny he still plays vital parts in the plot. If Calculus is to be considered "mad", then all scientists who are as distracted as he would be also. Can't think of any other examples of distracted scientists except Professor Elm from Pokémon.<BR>--Fern 21:46, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Interesting point of view, Ta bu shi. However, neither of them was mad. The professor from Cigars of the Pharaoh was simply somewhat forgetful, and probably didn't have the right glasses on (of course, he does go compleately mad once he gets that drug). Professor Alembick for starters isn't himself for most of the book, it's his twin, and from little we get to know of him from the begining (he smokes, uses glasses, and is obsessed with studying seals) I don't think we could call him mad. If you are refering to the part where he confuses Tintin with a lady, it was because he didn't turn around to look at who had walked in.<BR>--Fern 13:01, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mad Scientist 

message: I have placed Tintin on WP:FAC (link to discussion), and invite everyone to help me get it up to FA status. {Ⓐℕάℛℹℴɴ} 13:00, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article 

message: I'm not in the publishing business but "200 million books have been published" just doesn't sound right. I suggest replacing "published" with "sold" or "printed" or whatever was meant or is true.
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Can we have some clarification of the sentence "Some fans consider this album a betrayal of the image they had of Tintin, which could be built easily on the neutral view Hergé originally provided.". Which fans were these? - Ta bu shi da yu 10:46, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Hergé never provided any details on Tintin's past nor his habits which (according to Tintin en el Mundo de Hergé) is what let him be so flexible in so many different scenarios. By starting to give Tintin some of these features, some of Tintin's ability to fit in every scenario could be lost.<BR>Also, some people just assumed some of these details (such as "Tintin is a Belgian reporter that probably graduated from some university where he studied the reporter carreer. He doesn't seem to have much free time due to his occupation, and when he takes a 'vacation', it turns into a big adventure, taking the 'relax' out of it")<BR>--Fern 11:54, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand now. Firstly, how do we incorporate this into the story? Secondly, I object to the words "some fans" without a qualification of who those fans might be. This is called a weasel term and is frowned upon by Wikipedia. - Ta bu shi da yu 12:05, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've attempted some more rewording. {Ⓐℕάℛℹℴɴ} 12:14, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Hergé was filmed stating this in an interview, which was also in the documentary "Tintin and I" (Tintin et Moi). It is a well-attributed statement, but I am searching for the original interview now for sources. {Ⓐℕάℛℹℴɴ} 12:14, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool... if we could get clarification then this will be good. If you find it put into a References section (see Cite your sources for the format). - Ta bu shi da yu 04:38, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Apparently the source is a 12-hour audio interview by Numa Sadoul from 1971, which appeared — abbreviated — in book form, but was edited by Hergé. {Ⓐℕάℛℹℴɴ} 12:16, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. Can we include something of what he said? - Ta bu shi da yu 15:12, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Actually, I think it must be from Tintin and I. We should really see if we could incorporate this into the story - it seems pretty important! - Ta bu shi da yu 15:13, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup and clarifications 

message: Can we add something about this? - Ta bu shi da yu 15:29, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Other than provide a link to it, I am not sure what… but I'll try. {Ⓐℕάℛℹℴɴ} 15:35, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone is interested, I managed to track down a PDF version of this. 2,79 MB, contact me by e-mail for a copy. 
-- Jordi·✆ 20:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tintin in Thailand 

message: Recently underwent a Featured article review which saw the article improve, a very good article. Hiding Talk 22:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: In which English Language edition is Calculus named Tryphonius Sunflower ? I can find no other source than Wikipedia on the Web. It seems that the original sentence was (aka  Tryphonius Sunflower). Sunflower is a direct translation of Tournesol. Ericd 16:34, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: He is NEVER refered to as Tryphonius Sunflower in the English editions. /GurraJG 16:37, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tryphonius Sunflower