Talk:List of Stratocaster players

message: ::Hi I am the creator of this article...If you have any ideas go for it!__Seadog ♪ 01:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

message: Just pasting the notable users list from the main Strat article.
Jeff "Skunk" Baxter, Tommy Bolin, Fast Eddie Clarke, The Edge,Tim Farriss,  John Frusciante, Hillel Slovak, Janick Gers, Mick Green, Albert Hammond, Jr.., George Harrison, Mary Kaye, Terry Kath, Ed King, Alex Lifeson, Nils Lofgren, Dave Murray, Mike Oldfield, Bonnie Raitt, Johnny Ramone, Uli Jon Roth, Steve Rothery, Adrian Smith, Richard Thompson, Pete Townshend, Henry Vestine, Joe Walsh and Frank Zappa
Some of these names are already included in this article and can be deleted. The others can be added to this article when anyone has time to do so. Once all the "notable users" have been properly added into this list(and cited???) It will be safe to delete the list from back on the main Stratocaster article. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 18:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the sooner the better.  In fact, I would support just adding those who aren't already here (regardless of citation status) and deleting the list from the Fender Stratocaster article.  We can do a summary style thing so people are pointed in the right direction. --Aguerriero (talk) 18:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out what I did and tell me what you think - moved the Artist Series stuff up to the model section, and just referred the "Famous Players" here. --Aguerriero (talk) 19:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. There are notable users sprinkled throughout the main article(including the 2 most involved in it's original developement) I just project templated them. Most of the others are already mentioned in this article but ther may be a few stragglers that shouldn't be forgotten. Anger22 (Talk 2 22) 19:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Good job guys! Umm...I probably forgot some notable strat players, If you know any more please add. Also...We need citations (lots), if anyone has any please add. I would love to see this list become featured like its sister!__Seadog ♪ 19:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *How about Mike McCready and Kenny Wayne Shepherd? 86.17.247.135 02:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good Idea, but we should hang off of that idea until we can find some adequate references.__Seadog ♪ 14:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable users? list from the main article

message: This was semi-protected for repeated addition of uncited information by an IP range. When everyone's ready to start playing by the rules, we'll unprotect. --Spangineerws (háblame) 04:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: Questioning the switch to table format for the list. All featured lists are not in table form including the 3 Featured lists falling under the Music category. The table format also introduces errors in the citations for the entries that had multiple refs. In the alpha format citations were placed directly inline with the text they were meant to reference...specifically quotes. Now in table format they are stashed into a cold column. From previous discussions I believe that this list, along with a number of other "player" lists, are being pushed forth with an attempt to mirror the already featured Tele list in order to have consistency among these particular groups of lists. I disagree with the new "stiff" format and believe it should be changed back. Anger22  (Talk 2 22) 14:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the list format too, but I kind of like having all the images on the right side.  See also my comments in the peer review. --Spangineerws (háblame) 14:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The "wikitable sortable" class is quite a new and unused class, and therefore it isn't expected that other lists will use it quite yet. Changing the list to a table form would be unnecessary, but it was converted specificly to this class as it helps pass criteria 1f of WP:WIAFL. Please see the Inductees of Canada's Walk of Fame featured list candidacy for further details. Michaelas10 (Talk) 14:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My main concerns are the loss of 'cite'=>'cited text'. The list is meant to mirror the Tele list which does not use the table format.(and never will) Any "instrument user list" can really just spiral into a POV favourites list. That is what happened to the Tele list originally. But strict criteria for notability/citations elevated it to a valuable resource and an excellent companion the main Telecaster model article. A simple player list is really just a glorified equipment list. The Tele list took it to the next level by including direct quotes for notability using inline refs...sometimes multiple ones. The embedded images to pair up with their list entries made it that much more attractive. IMO the SRV photo parked adjacent to the Malmsteen entry looks rather awkward. Thoughts? Anger22  (Talk 2 22) 15:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I fail to see how a sort table makes this "easier to navigate".  The Walk of Fame list could conceivably be sorted in two different ways (alphabetically or by year of entry) but for this one that doesn't make sense—the only intuitive way to sort this is by name.  Thus it's unnecessary, and Anger's point stands (that the citations are ambiguous). --Spangineerws (háblame) 16:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I will have to agree with anger and spang, I think that the older format suited this better as it is on par with List of Telecaster players, also worth noting is the fact that the only real way to sort this list is by name. Arjun 16:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some people might also want to sort the list by the age of the players, what would be very difficult to do when the list isn't sortable. Making the list a table also gives it a more professional outlook with clearer borders among items as opposed to plain bullets. A list shouldn't be a mirror of an other list, and I'm quite sure the Telecaster players list would fail an FLC right now per the exact same reasons. As for the references, I suggest the reference column will be removed and the references would be put into the remarks. Michaelas10 (Talk) 16:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Arjun. I liked the older formatting myself. I do agree with Michaelas on one thing: citation moves. It seems sort of odd how it is now. How do you know what is referenced. I suppose just clicking the cite would tell you (I think) but that's not very good. Move the citations to their proper place, remove the cites column, and drop the table. That's what I'm saying, in a nutshell. --Tohru Honda13Talk•Sign here 22:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh, yes you bring up a whole new point to the table, the ref thing will basically be flawed since if there is more than one ref they are reffing two completly different subjects. Arjun 22:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly my point. How do you know if it's referring to the same thing? --Tohru Honda13Talk•Sign here 22:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Concensus is pretty clear as far as format goes. I don't have time to take on the task of "re-listing" just now. If anyone restores the preferred format...please be sure not to lose Michaelas10 or Llama Man's very valid wording changes. Also, the lead should read pretty much like the Tele list lead...with the obvious word swaps :)  Anger22  (Talk 2 22) 23:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, the grammar fixings are great, I just think for this *subject* the table is not needed :). Oh and yeah I personally think that the intro to this article is the only thing really holding it back from a featured list. Arjun 02:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not wanting to be one to pop any balloons but to reach FL it needs more work than just getting rid of the useless table. The list verifies use very well. But the text...and most of the references do not not emphasize notability/history/longevity...etc. That will be the next phase the list will have to go into. Anger22  (Talk 2 22) 12:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Personally, I think this intro is significantly better than the one at List of Telecaster players, if only because it doesn't have the extremely vague and worthless phrase, "musicians who have made notable use of the Fender Telecaster, Broadcaster or Esquire in live performances or studio recordings." By all means, increase the length of this lead, but don't add that phrase please. --Spangineerws (háblame) 15:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That phrase is somewhat vague, perhaps, but the meaning of "notable use" is defined in the very next sentence. It's certainly not worthless--that's what explains why notable guitarist So-and-so who happens to have played a Strat in a video once shouldn't be on the list. Nick Graves 15:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I see that the "notable use" sentence has been taken out, and I have to agree now that this is better. The "significant use" sentence makes the "notable use" sentence redundant. Nick Graves 15:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I've just restored the old list format. No-Bullet (Talk • Contribs) 19:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good....again. Thanks for taking the time to do that. Anger22  (Talk 2 22) 20:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table format 

message: After a quick read through I am noticing 2 names missing from the article. Not from the main alpha-list...but from the lead-in. Rex Gallion and Bill Carson were 2 guitarists instrumental(pardon the wording) in the overall design of the Stratocasters body shape. Their contribution should not be overlooked...either in the lead or as notable Strat players...which they certainly were. Anger22  (Talk 2 22) 21:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be a thought to mention them in the lead, thanks for bringing this up. Arjun 21:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Names missing

message: I know Albert Hammond Jr. of The Strokes plays a Fender and I think it's a Strat but I'm not 100% sure. Does anyone know for certain? Thanks! --74.34.217.222 23:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, under this section, Albert is mentioned but for some reason, he's not listed on the main article. I guess I'll add him. --74.34.217.222 23:15, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albert Hammond Jr. 

message: "Frank Zappa (1940-1993) usually played a Gibson SG, but in the late 70s and into the 80s also played Les Pauls and Stratocasters, including the Strat that Jimi Hendrix had set aflame at the Miami Pop Festival in 1968."
We all know that Hendrix set aflame his guitar at the Monterey Pop Festival, in 1968. Did he do the same for the Miami Festival? Nazroon 17:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hendrix' guitar in flames twice? 

message: I added the guitarist of probably the biggest childs band in the world, the Wiggles's, Murray Cook who frequently uses a stratocaster and it was deleted.  Why is he not considered famous enough?  He is possibly the first guitarist children take real notice of and has inspired many children to play the guitar (me and 2 of my guitarist freinds included.)  Also his band The Wiggles has world wide acclaim for being great music for children both for their enjoyment, education and getting them up to do physical activity.  Just because he isn't a rockstar famous for his amazing solos doesn't make him an un-notable guitarist.  Also if you listen to any of his solo work he is a quite good blues guitarist in his own right.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skam127 (talk • contribs) 01:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He doesn't meet the criteria set in the article lead-in. 202.160.48.156 02:38, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Not Murray Cook? 

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: I'm making this heading as a placeholder for players on this list without references.  I'm going to take them from the main article and place them here until references can be found proving their notable use of the Stratocaster.  If you find a reference, please move the player back to the main page with a proper citation. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 21:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dec 2007 unreferenced players 

message: I've been poking around and fixing citation formatting where I find it amiss.  To get this to Featured List we will need to make sure everything is consistent.  It looks like we are using the Harvard citation template for books and , etc. for other things? --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 00:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minding citation format 

message: Great interviews posted above. Lots of content to sift through. I am a big fan of having direct quotes, with citations of course, that emphasize user loyalty and notability. The quote in the Rory Gallagher section saying "I only own one guitar and it doesn't have a name" is absolutely brilliant. Pardon my ego... I was the editor who added that line in there a long time ago. But it does convey something more than just being a glorified equipment list. Which is what the article was, for the most part, when I left here a year ago. That's why I like the interviews posted above. Whether the content can be used or not the sources are there and it gives us more to work with. I especially like the Blackmore quote about his first Stratocaster belonging to Eric Clapton and him giving it to him. I think I read somewhere that it was because the guitar had a bad warp in it and that it was almost unplayable. But I could be wrong. I found my own copy of Bacon's Guitar Encyclopedia that's mentioned above. The page number for the Hendrix auction guitar is page 83 and the information about the tribute model made for him is on page 100. That book seems to be used for a lot of citations on this page. It should be easy to add those in. I am rusty on {cite book} format let alone harvard references. I will have to re-learn a few things. Not that the Gilmour section needs more content. But I found my copy of Tony Bacon's Fender Electric Guitar Book and it has an excellent line about Gilmour in it. Like  I said, I like direct quotes and Bacon says this:
*"David Gilmour had been playing Strats to great effect for a long time - 1975s 'Wish You Were Here' album underlined that - but his solo on 'Comfortably Numb' remains for many a definiteive Strat moment"
It doesn't say it too much better then that. That is on page 108 of the Fender Book if anyone is keeping track.
I also found a great book published in 1983 by Guitar Player Magazine called simply "The Guitar Player Book" (ISBN: 0-394-62490-4). I i
s basically just Guitar Player Magazine some of their best interviews and article from their first 15 years. It has an excellent interview with Jeff Beck from 1979. The interview is Jas Obrecht and he asks Beck why, after so many years as a reknowned Les Paul player did he switch to the Stratocaster after recording Blow by Blow. Becks reply is:
*"With a Les Paul you just wind up sounding like someone else. With the Strat I finally sound like me"
That says it all for him He's used one ever since.
The Book also has an excellent piece on Buddy Holly with interviews with all his former bandmates friends and producers. The article covers his whole career but one page is dedicated to his Straocaster use, how he got them, and how much he loved them. Way too much to add here. But there are 2 specific paragraphs that really soom in on the subject. Not that we need more on Buddy Holly. But it might help either support whats there or be added in to really put him over the top. Like it's mentioned on the page. Had Buddy Holly not picked one up. Fender may have abandoned the model since it wasn't doing well. Speaking of Buddy Holly's era, is there any way to Squeeze George Fullerton's name into the lead section? He's an integral part of the Fender story. Also, to add one more page number for a reference. Spike you were looking for a Gilmour 0001 ref. On page 32 of Bacon's Fender Book it says "Some production started sporadically in May, June and July (David Gilmour's #0001 Strat is stamped June) but the first proper production run of 100 was in October." Hope that helps. Cheers! Anger22  (Talk 2 22) 05:27, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excellent interview content posted earlier 

message: In an earlier discussion on this page someone mentions this:
A quote from an interview with Ritchie Blackmore from a Guitar Player (Australian printing) from 1978. The lead question is about him switching to the Strat around the time of the third Deep Purple album. "The Strat I used belonged to Eric Clapton. I used it and liked the sound of it; it was very sharp. He just had one kicking around the house, and I picked it up and he said, "Take it away." It had a great sound for a wah-wah pedal because it was so sharp." - "With a Fender you have to make every note count; you have to make the note sing or otherwise it won't work. It's more rewarding because with a Gibson nobody has an identity."
Does anyone know the publication month for that article? And of so what is the correct citation format for it? Anger22  (Talk 2 22) 13:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question about an earlier discussion 

message: Murray (Iron Maiden's guitarist, one of the three) uses virtually nothing but Stratocasters, I know this to be true, but don't know where to look for references. If anyone can find one, please add him. He uses them religiously and deserves to be on this list. Tom walker (talk) 17:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dave Murray 

message: It even says on Slash's Wikipedia page that he has around 100 guitars, and a few of them are Fender Stratocasters. Although I've never seen him use one, should he be on the list? Chaoticfables (talk) 05:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slash 

message: Who? Can't find any mention of this person anywhere, except for a possibly related MySpace page.
Actually, hang on. Apparently he is a Epic Hero as well as an important Strat player... I'm going to revert144.173.6.74 (talk) 11:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jarrad Bryce 

message: I made some changes to the headstock image. Would anyone mind giving feedback on which to use? Thanks Louis Waweru  Talk  14:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. And, may I add, it is the preferred image over the ugly fuzzy green thing that has been edit warred into the article recently. Consensus is pretty clear on that and if the green monster reappears in pace of Arjun's(and now Louis') headstockk shot feel free to remove it. I am going to contact a friend over at Commons to have the other picture deleted if the young Torontonian keeps it up. Libs (talk) 14:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okie! Louis Waweru  Talk  11:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headstock image 

message: * David Byrne (born 1952) Founding member of the Talking Heads
* Frank Zappa (1940-1993)
:I removed the above two from the list as they were unsourced. As soon as someone finds a reliable source they can be re-added. Washburnmav (talk) 18:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced Musician 

message: I did some major copyediting here. To the lead section I added a list and did some grammar/clarity editing. To the list itself I did parallel structure/clarity/grammar editing and moved a couple unsourced musicians to above^. I also changed the 'Notes' section to the more accurate 'References'. I am nomming this list for featured list. If you have any problems with my edits feel free to change them and notify me at my talk. Thanks. Washburnmav (talk) 18:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Copyedit 

message: No big issue but just a question: why do you keep suppressing Jean-Pierre Danel of the Strat players list ? Danel is an official partner with Fender in Europe for all his albums and various projects, he wrote a book (in French and soon to be published in the US next year) about the Strat, with a foreword by Britisdh Strat legend Hank Marvin (with whom he recorded a hit single as well in 2007) and with an interview with US well known guitar specialist George Gruhn. Danel owns one of the rarest Strat in the world in his wide collection (a preproduction 1954 Stratocaster). His hit albums trilogy (which includes a N°1 album in France, certified double gold disc) features his Strats on all the sleeves. He also had several Grammys, not to mention his numerous successes as a producer. Many people see him not only as a good guitarist but also as a Strat specialist. Fender or Hank Marvin find him qualified enough to work with him, so, why don't you ? :-) The Strat is popular all over the world, and not only US musicians make it so popular. In France in French speaking countries, his tution dvds are very big, and feature the Start heavily. It is interesting to see people outside the US who played a role in the Strat exposition to the public, don't you think so ?-->  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.202.244.183 (talk) 15:40, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  JP Danel 

message: Why removed without discussion? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 18:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See article criteria for inclusion. No discussion req'd. The Real Libs-speak politely 19:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for being so welcoming and understanding with a newcomer. Your friendly attitude and helpful explanation makes me feel as though my contributions and input are particularly valued. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 21:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that's more the attitude of an asshole.
Why are article like these under the scrutiny of such uptight librarians? Wikipedia isn't a scholarly database, it isn't going to catalog the most in-depth research in the world, its merely a well-informed blog about anything. So, answer the man's question.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HairyNevus (talk • contribs) 22:59, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

text: i think zappa is better known as an sg player.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.48.181.93 (talk) 15:59, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frank Zappa 

message: the whole band was known back then to have made the fenders very big, qith all three using fender instruments, they're even in the fender hall of fame for their help in making it so big, and al jardine, rythm guitar player, plays strats to this day.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.251.178 (talk) 21:33, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al Jardine 

message: Rather notable player, really. Would the Wikipedia article on Frankenstrat count as documentation? 142.58.248.194 (talk) 22:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eddie Van Halen 

message: To the regular editors of this article, if there are any: why isn't this simply a list? Why all the detail about which bands these players performed with, who their influences are, etc.? A summary exposition of the Strats they play and own seems fine, but this list (which could be extended almost infinitely) suffers from a tremendous amount of excessive detail, all of which should be found in the respective articles about the players. Drmies (talk) 21:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  List? 

message: Vini Reilly of The Durutti Column used since many years a Strat...but i think you won't let me include in the list.Francodamned (talk) 03:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vini Reilly 

message: Since a few years already certain editors keep reverting any edits adding Billy Corgan from the Smashing Pumpkins to this list, although reliable sources have been provided and the notability of this guitarist should be self-evident once one has read both Wikipedia pages about him and the band he formed. The only reasoning that was given for the reverts was this one by Wiki libs: IPs with uncited POVs = RVs. (see a few lines above) which speaks very clearly for the mindset behind the reverts, especially because the reverts have been done although the edits were sourced as well as NPOV. In the light of the fact that Fender even created a signature guitar in collaboration with him, it's an amazing accomplishment to have a Billy Corgan Stratocaster in existence but no mention of the same Billy Corgan on Wikipedia's list of Stratocaster players. I think we have a significantly bad case of WP:OWN here, therefore I consider it appropriate to issue an WP:RFC now. 87.181.218.222 (talk) 14:14, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a reference to prove notibility.  Hopefully this solves the problem. Italienmoose (talk) 20:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, this is very appreciated. 87.181.222.40 (talk) 00:22, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Obviously some users of Wikipedia don't want him on the list although he was already on it including references. Oh well, but that's how Wikipedia works. I'm going to add him again, let's see how long they take to remove him again.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.44.23.62 (talk) 03:41, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Interestingly he was removed by adding html comment tags. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Stratocaster_players&diff=496847438&oldid=495170735 Sophisticated vandalism I guess.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.44.23.62 (talk) 05:24, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

text: wow. post-hendrix, corgan is THE strat player. whatever.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.48.181.93 (talk) 16:07, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Smashing Pumpkin Billy Corgan notable enough to include him on the list of Stratocaster players? 

message: I don't really know but isn't  Billie Joe Armstrong's Blue one too??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.9.223.17 (talk) 21:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billie Joe? 

message: Wouln't it be great to add the german Strat®King Thomas Blug to the list? He has won the 2004 competition at the 50th birthday of the Fender Stratocaster called "European Strat® Player of the Year". Ref: https://web.archive.org/web/20100131050934/http://www.basis-web.de/blug/stratking/fender_stratking.htm
He has published more than 15 albums in 20 years, always using the Fender Strat.
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message: Alex Turner of Arctic Monkeys started out playing with a white 2006 Mexican Stratocaster and used it in the recording of their debut album as well as in early live performances, it quickly became a signature for him as it was also featured in many of their music videos. It was sold in 2020 for £128,544 at a charity auction. Does this seem notable enough? - I don't know if it truly fits the criteria digiulio8 (talk) 17:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alex Turner?