Talk:Henri Toivonen

message: Please replace Henri with Toivonen in the text, per Wiki format. Also, please see if races can be linked.LessHeard vanU 21:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been meaning to clean this article up for some time already. I'll do it eventually, if someone doesn't beat me to it. Prolog 10:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did a complete re-write instead. Prolog 09:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Not according to any sources, except for some speculation on a motorsport forum, which is not a reliable source. Both motorsport related and non-related (Sligo Weekender) magazines have mentioned the Estoril drive. I added three references to it, along with the others. Prolog 09:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The 1986 qualifying was run on a dry track. The 1985 race, however, was run during heavy rain. Prolog 17:49, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki format 

message: I have reviewed this article according to the GA criteria. Please fix the following issues and I'll pass the article.
#"By finishing second, 3:41 minutes behind Ari Vatanen, he placed over seven minutes ahead Markku Alén,[16] who would go on to win that the Cup." Fix the phrasing of the last part of the sentence ("that the")
#"At his home event, Toivonen had to retire due to an engine failure, but at the RAC Rally, he drove to a ninth place." Possibly reword to "a night place finish".
#"In 1979, he concentrated on gathering rallying experience by competing in 15 rallies in the British, Finnish and European championships." Possibly reword to "In the 1979 season" like you did for the "1980 season" two sentences later. If you choose to, perhaps you can change the other seasons throughout the article as well.
#"Factory team contract meant the advent of Toivonen's first "works" season, and 1980 was largely a trial year for him." Do you mean "A new factory team contract" or "The factory team contract", etc.? It sounds unnatural the way it is phrased now.
#"He started the season by winning the Arctic Rally in January,[18] but drove his Talbot Sunbeam Lotus only in four selected World Rally Championship events." Change to "...but only drove his Talbot Sunbeam in four...".
#"Paul White commented over 20 years after the event, that he still receives questions about the rally and Henri Toivonen." This should be reworded, maybe "When Paul White commented over twenty years after the event, he said that he still receives...".
#In the death section, wikilink sore throat, flu, and fever. Also for the first quote, there is no intro sentence explaining who said it or when.
#"Drivers' eyes could not adjust their focus between the fast corners. This resulted in tunnel vision." These two sentences could probably be combined.
#"Group B cars have been described as "too fast to race"." Put the period before the quotation marks.
#"Harri Toivonen quit his racing career in 2002 and this ended the 40-year racing history in the Toivonen family." You don't have to change this if you don't think it's necessary, but another way to write it would be "Harri Toivonen quit his racing career in 2002, ending the 40-year racing history of the Toivonen family."
These are all mostly minor changes, and some are optional. I'm putting the article on hold for seven days for the changes to be made. Let me know when you're done or if you have any questions on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 06:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the review and suggestions. I think all of these have been fixed now. Prolog 15:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: I have passed the article as a GA according to the GA criteria. Continue to improve the article, and consider eventually taking it to FA. It may need more copyediting before that, so consider getting some other editors to take a look over the article. Good job so far, and if you have the time, please consider reviewing an article or two at GAC to help assist with the backlog. --Nehrams2020 20:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: It seems the exact cause of death - the impact of the fall, the explosion, the fire, or a combination of all three - is unknown, so these two sentences seem contradictory, the first suggesting cause of death is unknown, the second suggesting it is known ie they burnt to death: "This incident happened within seconds and Toivonen and his co-driver, Sergio Cresto were trapped and did not have time to get out had they still been alive ... Both Toivonen and Cresto burnt to death on their seats." 217.155.195.19 11:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. I changed "burnt to death on their seats" to "died in their seats", so I think it is fixed now. Thanks, Prolog 14:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit needed

message: I have commented out a line in the Lancia paragraph about another Lancia driver's death as it seemed irrelevant. Someone should decide whether it is relevant or not and reinstate it/delete it as appropriate. Otherwise, a pretty easy proofread, nice work everyone! Cricketgirl 12:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Cricketgirl (Do you have special cricket related powers?) 4u1e 08:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: I know this has been discussed above two times but I deciced to start new paragraph because those above were last replied in April 2007.
I think the "it is often reported" is not enough. In addition to what it currently says there should be something about the unclear sources and that it's often regarded as urban myth because of it being physically impossible. I'm not sure how those would fit to Wikipedia rules but I feel that the way it is currently in the article, is not right either. I know it's there just because it is mentioned so often in webpages and also magazines and books (Rallyworld and Rallycourse) from 80's but likely they're all repeating the same myth, so it is questionable. Any thoughts? Timppis (talk) 13:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is questionable, but the problem is that there doesn't seem to be a source that would look into this. Without a source, it's pretty hard not to cross the line into original research. If someone with a 1986/87 Rallyworld could verify the Rallyworld quote above by 4u1e and give the page number, that would make a good source about "unclear sources" since it conflicts reports by Sligo Weekender, MSN Cars UK, et cetera. Prolog (talk) 17:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Three sources have appeared that investigate the Estoril claim. I have added their conclusions to the article. Prolog (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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