Talk:Rape fantasy

message: this isn't what used to be at this URL, and it is frankly a bunch of bullshit. see the "can't rape the willing" comment below. garbage.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.151.72 (talk) 05:32, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  this article is deceptive 

message: Are we absolutely sure that role-played rape fantasy can, by definition, only occur between "adults"? It seems like the article is trying to be politically correct, and letting PC override  objectivity. It seems NPOV. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.153.0.24 (talk) 03:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if it involved underage children, or non-consenting adults, it would be actual rape, and not a rape fantasy. Mdwh 23:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that me meant is what if both persons are under-age and cannot, by definition, consent? P91 (talk) 11:56, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

text: I think it was only the term "adults" (which is usually defined as  "non-minors", and often implies those above the age of 18 or above the age of 21, those concepts coincidentally not always in line with each other, since sexual age of consent is frequently a lower than 21 and sometimes even lower than 18)  that they found a little... off. It is technically true actually that two minors, in some jurisdictions at least, or two teenagers above say, 16 (and therefore above the age of sexual consent in most areas of the U.S. and U.K, but not legally a full-fledged adult nor societally considered an adult in many situations) could legally engage in it by consent with each other without it being defined as "rape". The solution I think - to be 100% neutral and accurate at the same time - would be to change the word "adults" to "individuals" in the phrase "consenting adults". I mean, there's nothing really wrong with saying "individuals" instead, after all, and it really would be accurate in all senses. Even if it's a little picky, but hey, picky isn't always bad since accuracy = good on Wikipedia!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.238.22.61 (talk) 20:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consenting Adults 

message: The most commonly held theory about this phenomenon is that many individuals turn to fantasies about being raped as a means of reconciling naturally-occurring sexual desires with the intense negative stigma their culture and/or creed affix to sexual activity. The fantasy serves as a psychological device through which the fantasizer can safely indulge in intense sexual experiences without guilt, by absolving themselves of responsibility for participating in the act. Many socially acceptable examples can be found in "bodice ripper" fiction.
Rape fantasies can also represent an outlet for sexually submissive and/or dominant individuals. In such fantasies they can imagine themselves as having or lacking sexual control or power without actually participating in an illegal or immoral act.
Another relatively common theory is that the attraction some men feel toward raping is an evolutionary relic of prehistoric man (thousands of years ago, those willing to rape were more likely to have their genes passed on). According to these sociobiological theories of rape, rape fantasy fulfills a hereditary impulse that in civilized society where real rape has become socially intolerable.
Regardless, the presence of rape fantasies in a community or individual cannot be taken to imply that the fantasizers in reality condone rape, desire to rape others, or wish to be raped themselves. - 24.21.197.163 (talk) 19:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed uncited content from talk page 

message: "It can be feeling of domination or submission also, as someone fantasises of forcing someone, or being forced, to have sex."Assuming the usual case is a victim's fantasy, the last sentence should represent the rapist side only. "being forced" makes no sense - this is already covered. Would you agree? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 08:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no "usual" case, most men fantasize about forcing someone, while most women fantasize about being forced; depending on their sexual orientation and preference (dominant or submissive). So both sides need to be covered. And using the words "rapist" and "victim" is hardly appropriate; I prefer using "dominant" and "submissive" when it comes to forced sex fantasy, since it shouldn't ever be confused with fantasies or desires about actually raping or being raped. There is no victim and there is no rapist; there's a dominant person and a submissive person. ---Thm 11:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. First, Sorry about the terms I used, it was for clarity only. Second, please read the openning of the article - seems like the focus is the submissive side and the last sentence should describe the dominant side - note the "also" before the comma. Kvsh5 (talk) 20:18, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1st paragraph, last sentence 

message: The first part of the general "Fantasy" section describes a demographic of men who had fantasized about having the impression of being raped. However, the section following the subheader of "Male fantasy" only describes men who fantasize about being in the dominant position. Seems a bit sexist to me. Actually, considering the minimal content of the "Fantasy" section, its subsections should probably be removed and the overall info consolidated. --OGoncho (talk) 09:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this is the exact issue I came in here to flag. While I see little cause to infer sexism on the author's part, there's a clear lack of structural rigor in the contradiction between the first paragraph, where "men's rape fantasies most commonly take a passive role," and the very next paragraph, where "men's rape fantasies all come in one of two flavors: a dominant role or an extremely dominant role." I'm no professional and can't say if one assertion is more accurate than the other; all I know is it can't go both ways at the same time. OGoncho's suggestion of omitting this rubbish altogether works fine for me. --just some guy, 4 October 2009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.68.168.13 (talk) 17:29, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Of the Fantasy section and subsections

message: I find it really unusual that the studies being used to support this article on social behavior are 30-40 years old. A lot has happened in American culture since the 1970s! The most recent study is 15 years old, which is slightly better, but I still question the usefulness of 40 year old studies on judging the frequency of culturally-conditioned fantasies. 
This article is also solely focused on the woman's desire to be overpowered. Where are the studies on why men fantasize about being rapists? This isn't a one-sided encounter. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 19:29, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Fantasy section definitely needs rewriting but writing "Rape fantasy is a common sexual fantasy" would be synthesis if the sources support an older study. I would suggest completely rewriting it or removing the word "common" as that is the part that heavily relies on contemporary sources. In other words, I would just remove the sentence "Studies from...men and women" as to say it is still common would need newer references --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 21:25, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are there newer studies? 

message: See Everybody Lies (book).
The subsection Chapter 4: Digital Truth Serum — The Truth About Sex has quite a bit on the expression of sexual fantasy on the Internet. 
From Everybody lies: how Google search reveals our darkest secrets — 30 September 2018 
Porn featuring violence against women is also extremely popular among women. It is far more popular among women than men.
I hate saying that because misogynists seem to love this fact. Fantasy life isn't always politically correct.
The rate at which women watch violent porn is roughly the same in every part of the world. It isn't correlated with how women are treated.
I don't have the book itself handy, and the websites that discuss this portion of the book's contents are awfully gun shy, based on my recollection from when I did read this book. — MaxEnt 01:37, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Everybody Lies (2017) 

message: I've added a citation needed to this sentence, because it just doesn't sound right.
I think this subject goes deeper than mere fantasy and is a consequence of a violent human history, to which women have probably suffererd more, or at least in different ways to men  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlamingDeath (talk • contribs) 22:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Studies have found rape fantasy is a common sexual fantasy among both men and women