MediaWiki talk:Edittools/Archive 2

message: Do you think we could add a section for other commonly-used Unicode symbols, such as ← ↑ → ↓ and ♠ ♣ ♦ ♥ ?
--  Denelson83  07:15, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Other symbols

message: I'm a bit concerned about the text that was removed in this edit, which I just noticed.  The following text was removed:
* You are encouraged to create and improve articles. The community is quick to enforce the quality standards on all articles.	 
* You must cite the sources for your edits so others can verify your work.
Dan100 said the the link to "cite sources" was a duplicate, but now at least, there is no replacement.  I also think the top line should be kept in some form.  While changes are being made, it is incorrect to say that "Only public domain resources can be copied exactly—this does not include most web pages."  It would be better to say that "Only public domain resources can be copied without permission—this does not include most web pages." Superm401 | Talk 20:37, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me do this incrementally...well, here's the first one . The other changes, I can't figure out what should be done, so I'll just leave it like this for now. --HappyCamper 14:56, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay.  Don't forget about it.  I think a mention of citing sources is most important. Superm401 | Talk 21:21, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistaken Removal 

message: This new version looks good! I have two request though. Could the drop down box default to Latin/Roman and the superscript number be removed from special characters. You should use  for those, and the special characters take up two lines at 1024x768 right now. Cheers, R.Koot 20:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request 

message: On mine at least the dropdown box has Hawaiian and German switched. That is, they're out of alphabetical order, but also, selecting Hawaiian gives you the characters for German (ÄäÖößÜü) while selecting German gives you the characters for Hawaiian (ĀāĒēĪīŌōŪʻ). --Angr (tɔk) 01:30, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction needed 

message: Looking at the code at MediaWiki:Monobook.js I wasn't at all impressed by the fact that the dropdown box entries were hardcoded. So I came up with a solution that seems to work fine in both Internet Explorer 6.0 as well as Firefox 1.5. For the moment, I'd like to get feedback on how the code behaves in other peoples browsers before rewriting the code at MediaWiki:Monobook.js to support this. With that in mind, here's the code—
:Code moved to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Locke_Cole/edittoolstest.html&oldid=35191950
As you can see, it gets the names for the entires in the dropdown box from the ID's of each  attribute within .... I don't know if it's possible to get/save cookies via javascript, but there may also be a way to allow users to define their default charset (just set a variable in your user-space monobook.js and call fnCharsetLoad()).
Anyways, save the code above locally in a file (for example: edittooltest.html), then browse to it in the browser you want to test in (for example: file:///C:/edittooltest.html) and give it a whirl. Please let me know if you have any errors/problems (and comments of course as well). =) —Locke Cole • t • c 03:50, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is possible to get/set cookies via Javascript. --cesarb 20:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. =) I got the cookie issue mostly solved (still need to come up with a better place to save it though. The only problem I'm having right now is with setting the selected entry when loading the cookie value (see User:Locke Cole/edittoolstest.html as well as further below for some more discussion). The code works fine in Firefox 1.5, but fails (well, doesn't work anyways, no errors are generated) in IE 6.0. If you have any experience with HTML/Javascript, another set of eyes would be most welcome. =) —Locke Cole • t • c 22:02, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I do have experience with HTML/DOM/CSS/Javascript, and unfortunately also some experience with IE's implementation of them (it's a pain). Try setting the selected attribute on the DOM node for the option elements, instead of just using selectedIndex. --cesarb 22:45, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome, works like a champ now in IE 6.0 and Firefox 1.5. Thankyou. =) Does the code (here) look okay to you otherwise? —Locke Cole • t • c 23:26, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dynamic dropdown box

message: how hard would it be to modify this box so the section selected was sticky between edits? Plugwash 20:19, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  remembering selection 

message: Suggestion:  can you please make the diacritic drop-down box say something very clearly like "More special characters"?  This would seem to be the only way that all editors will know where to find them.  At the very least, change the text at the top of the drop-down menu from "Wiki" to something like "Latin" and move it up one line to where it says "Special characters," as in English Wiktionary.  Right now it just is not easy to tell (even for experienced editors like myself) how to get the diacritics and characters now missing from the former list.  Also, those of you working here should know that there have been a lot of questions about the "missing" diacritics for several days now on many pages across Wikipedia, including the Village Pump, which nobody has answered.  It would be very magnanimous of you if, when making sweeping changes like this, you would check these pages to answer such questions.  Badagnani 09:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I added a line saying "Browse the drop-down menu for more special characters." I just looked through Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) and couldn't find any questions about this that had gone unanswered. I'll leave a general note there, though. --Angr (tɔk) 09:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The menu doesn't appear in the classic skin (although the "see menu for more" text does show up).  Is there a way to add the menu to the common.css rather than have it only in the monobook.js? -- Rick Block (talk) 17:49, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drop-down not immediately apparent 

message: I left the following comment at English Wikipedia. User:Angr suggested posting here.
The changes to the special characters bar make it hard to get to characters needed for typing articles on Japan. Every time I edit an article, it's necessary to select from the drop-down menu before the characters I want appear. Worse, my selection doesn't remain in effect when I click on Show preview or return to editing after Show preview. Is there a way to get around this? I want the characters that are on the "Romaji" menu selection to replace the European special characters, which I seldom use. Fg2 07:11, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: People are working on it.  See #remembering selection. Superm401 | Talk 09:43, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, it'll be greatly appreciated. Fg2 09:48, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment from English Wikipedia 

message: This site contains several PDF files with the alphabets of European languages. —Ruud 13:01, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  useful link 

message: On Wikisource in special characters we use extra fractions 1/3, 2/3, 1/8, 3/8, 5/8, 7/8, plus extra mathematical ones like Sigma and Infinity. Can we have these please? Also, we are in process of establishing a range of standard templates for text navigation. (References and notes, chapter headings and the like.) It would be useful to have a specific Wikisource edit bar with these templates on. How do we go about customsing for this, please.  Apwoolrich 21:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Extra fractions added. --  Denelson83  23:15, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks. Apwoolrich 08:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More suggestions 

message: Do you think we can add "class="wikitable"".  I feel it is a common line that people write in the article to make a table.  It must be as common, if not more common, compared to many of the "more characters".
Cmdrbond 02:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but first we'd need to have some functions for inserting the tables themselves, wouldn't we? Or wouldn't it just be better to refer users to the Editing Help page, which we can modify to mention "wikitable"? – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 05:02, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  another item for the Wiki functions 

message: For the purposes of my own MediaWiki, how does <charinsert> work? —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 06:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean, how could I add these edittools to my own wiki. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 06:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just copy-paste the source of this message, but install the Charinsert extension prior to that. --Filip (talk) 14:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: How do i add "edittools" to the System messages of my wiki? --Der Papst 00:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Other way to ask : I've tried to install it on a Mediawiki 1.5.6 : should I use the CharInsert 1.5 version instead of 1.6 ? Because it doesn't work if I only do what Filip said (what I did in fact : put CharInsert.php on my extensions file, declare it on LocalSettings.php, copy-paste MediaWiki:Edittools on my wiki, after that the "MediaWiki:Edittools" page works but isn't inserted on edit pages, even after a hard refresh). Thanks for help --Henrique Diaz 16:03, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is exactly what i've asked. You have to add edittools to the wiki systemmessages and link it on the edit page but i've no idea how to add and how to link.  --Der Papst 19:58, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If I understood correctly, you cannot use this feature because there is no edittools page in your installations. If so, just copy the content to your Copyrightnotice MediaWiki message. --Filip (§) 20:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, there is no edittools in my installation. is there a way to add it or does it only exist in MediaWiki 1.6? --Der Papst 11:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical question: <nowiki><charinsert></nowiki>? 

message: These are all the symbols listed by the Unicode Consortium as Mathematical Operators that exist in the Arial Unicode MS font:
±×÷∀∁∂∃∄∅∆∇∈∉∊∋∌∍∎∏∐∑−∓∔∕∖∗∘∙√∛∜∝∞∟∠∡∢∣∤∥∦∧∨∩∪∫∬∭∮∯∰∱∲∳∴∵∶∷∸∹∺∻∼∽∾∿≀≁≂≃≄≅≆≇≈≉≊≋≌≍≎≏≐≑≒≓≔≕≖≗≘≙≚≛≜≝≞≟≠≡≢≣≤≥≦≧≨≩≪≫≬≭≮≯≰≱≲≳≴≵≶≷≸≹≺≻≼≽≾≿⊀⊁⊂⊃⊄⊅⊆⊇⊈⊉⊊⊋⊌⊍⊎⊏⊐⊑⊒⊓⊔⊕⊖⊗⊘⊙⊚⊛⊜⊝⊞⊟⊠⊡⊢⊣⊤⊥⊦⊧⊨⊩⊪⊫⊬⊭⊮⊯⊰⊱⊲⊳⊴⊵⊶⊷⊸⊹⊺⊻⊼⊽⊾⊿⋀⋁⋂⋃⋄⋅⋆⋇⋈⋉⋊⋋⋋⋌⋍⋎⋏⋐⋑⋒⋓⋔⋕⋖⋗⋘⋙⋚⋛⋜⋝⋞⋟⋠⋡⋢⋣⋤⋥⋦⋧⋨⋩⋪⋫⋬⋭⋮⋯⋰⋱
These are all the Latin symbols, excluding IPA and parenthesized symbols:
ªºÀÁÂÃÄÅÆÇÈÉÊËÌÍÎÏÐÑÒÓÔÕÖØÙÚÛÜÝÞßàáâãäåæçèéêëìíîïðñòóôõöøùúûüýþÿĀāĂăĄąĆćĈĉĊċČčĎďĐđĒēĔĕĖėĘęĚěĜĝĞğĠġĢģĤĥĦħĨĩĪīĬĭĮįİıĲĳĴĵĶķĸĹĺĻļĽľĿŀŁłŃńŅņŇňŉŊŋŌōŎŏŐőŒœŔŕŖŗŘřŚśŜŝŞşŠšŢţŤťŦŧŨũŪūŬŭŮůŰűŲųŴŵŶŷŸŹźŻżŽžſƀƁƂƃƄƅƆƇƈƉƊƋƌƍƎƏƐƑƒƓƔƕƖƗƘƙƚƛƜƝƞƟƠơƢƣƤƥƦƧƨƩƪƫƬƭƮƯưƱƲƳƴƵƶƷƸƹƺƻƼƽƾƿǀǁǂǃǄǅǆǇǈǉǊǋǌǍǎǏǐǑǒǓǔǕǖǗǘǙǚǛǜǝǞǟǠǡǢǣǤǥǦǧǨǩǪǫǬǭǮǯǰǱǲǳǴǵǺǻǼǽǾǿȀȁȂȃȄȅȆȇȈȉȊȋȌȍȎȏȐȑȒȓȔȕȖȗḀḁḂḃḄḅḆḇḈḉḊḋḌḍḎḏḐḑḒḓḔḕḖḗḘḙḚḛḜḝḞḟḠḡḢḣḤḥḦḧḨḩḪḫḬḭḮḯḰḱḲḳḴḵḶḷḸḹḺḻḼḽḾḿṀṁṂṃṄṇṈṉṊṋṌṍṎṏṐṑṒṓṔṕṖṗṘṙṚṛṜṝṞṟṠṡṢṣṤṥṦṧṨṩṪṫṬṭṮṯṰṱṲṳṴṵṶṷṸṹṺṻṼṽṾṿẀẁẂẃẄẅẆẇẈẉẊẋẌẍẎẏẐẑẒẓẔẕẖẗẘẙẚẛẠạẢảẤấẦầẨẩẪẫẬậẮắẰằẲẳẴẵẶặẸẹẺẻẼẽẾếỀềỂểỄễỆệỈỉỊịỌọỎỏỐốỒồỔổỖỗỘộỚớỜờỞởỠỡỢợỤụỦủỨứỪừỬửỮữỰựỲỳỴỵỶỷỸỹﬀﬁﬂﬃﬄﬅﬆＡＢＣＤＥＦＧＨＩＪＫＬＭＮＯＰＱＲＳＴＵＶＷＸＹＺａｂｃｄｅｆｇｈｉｊｋｌｍｎｏｐｑｒｓｔｕｖｗｘｙｚ
Here are the Hebrew characters (mostly diacritics, note the spaces I put in between each):
֑ ֒ ֓ ֔ ֕ ֖ ֗ ֘ ֙ ֚ ֛ ֜ ֝ ֞ ֟ ֠ ֡ ֣ ֤ ֥ ֦ ֧ ֨ ֩ ֪ ֫ ֬ ֭ ֮ ֯ ְ ֱ ֲ ֳ ִ ֵ ֶ ַ ָ ֹ ֻ ּ ֽ־ ֿ ׀ ׁ ׂ ׃ ׄ א ב ג ד ה ו ז ח ט י ך כ ל ם מ ן נ ס ע ף פ ץ צ ק ר ש ת װ ױ ײ ׳ ״ ﬞ ײַ ﬠ ﬡ ﬢ ﬣ ﬤ ﬥ ﬦ ﬧ ﬨ ﬩ שׁ שׂ שּׁ שּׂ אַ אָ אּ בּ גּ דּ הּ וּ זּ טּ יּ ךּ כּ לּ מּ נּ סּ ףּ פּ צּ קּ רּ שּ תּ וֹ בֿ כֿ פֿ ﭏ
There are, of course, plenty more alphabets to add.  Just take a look at a character map. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 06:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbol suggestions 

message: Any chance of adding those pesky emoticons to the list?
—Phil | Talk 09:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Emoticons 

message: With the old system, the inserts worked great. Now on the new one, when I click on a character, nothing happens. It does not appear in the edit box, and the edit box loses focus. I have javascript turned on, using monobook, and the menu does appear (and function). I don't have OS X 10.4 though, but it is the newest version of Safari on 10.3, which a lot of people still use. pfahlstrom 20:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters won't insert at all on Safari? 

message: I've noticed that in the Hebrew wikipedia the upper edit windows Java tool box is much more extensive ,having at least 8 more very usefull buttons.
I was wondering what prohibid us from giving more automation in the form of advanced buttonery (or the option for such) ?--Procrastinator@talk2me 20:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Java Tool box 

message: Is it possible to add a special character listed as Image description that would be inserted like the following:

The template gets rendered like on this page. This would be very useful as a special character on the Special:Upload page. In Slovenian Wikipedia this is available as Opis slike in the first line of special characters  (encoded in :sl:MediaWiki:Summary). I hope you understand what I mean. --Eleassar my talk 19:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template:Information

message: I think, lists of templates are more usefull than lists of chars. --ajvol 07:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Templates