Talk:Welwyn Garden City rail crashes

message: I have added this to both :Category:Accidents and incidents involving London and North Eastern Railway (as the 1935 crash involved the London and North Eastern Railway) and Category:Accidents and incidents involving British Rail as British Railways operated the line and trains at the time of the 1957 accident. Dunarc (talk) 22:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Why did you put them on the main article and not in the redirects  and ? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:43, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That is probably a better option thinking about it - I'll change it to that. Thanks. ~~~~ Dunarc (talk) 22:45, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: Did this earlier this morning but was reverted so thought I should take it here. Propose merging the contents of this page into the station's article. This article is relatively short (compared to, say, the one about the derailment near Falls of Cruachan, and I believe it could relatively easily be merged into the station's article (a tag specifies a need for some more ref's - here you go). I'd be interested if anyone has any opinions. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 15:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: And - thinking about it - if anyone can actually find some reliabel sources for either of these, it would be helpful (or it will only go to AfD, defenceless and vulnerable, like a hedgehog missing its spikes...) Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 18:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Discussion on this second point has been taken out into the separate heading "Source tag" below, to help clarity. Hyperman 42 (talk) 22:28, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

text: Also, as well as 1935, Welwyn 1961 is also mentioned in other books (Vaughan, Fiennes). If both accidents are expanded, which seems justified, it strengthens the case for splitting, and making this a disambiguation page. Hyperman 42 (talk) 10:02, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: This was originally in the merger proposal but I have put it as a separate thread for clarity, hope this is OK with everyone. Hyperman 42 (talk) 10:38, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: And - thinking about it - if anyone can actually find some reliabel sources for either of these, it would be helpful (or it will only go to AfD, defenceless and vulnerable, like a hedgehog missing its spikes...) Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 18:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Don't normally engage in my own proposals, but feel compelled to disagree on the tag point. Although the reports are a helpful and reliable source, WP requires "extensive" sources to prove an article's worth. So the reports cannot be solely relied upon for everything. As it stands the article has a grand total of 0 citations, bar the reports (inevitably, unless other sources can be found, it will only go to AfD...). Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 09:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This surely seems a very narrow view of citations. The accident reports are directly linked at the bottom. The accident reports are the most detailed, contemporary and primary source of any railway accident, particularly when they happened 50+ years ago, written by experts after prolonged and detailed investigation, far more important than random newspaper or online articles by journalists with no specialised knowledge. In general the RI report is, and should be, accepted as a fully adequate source for any accident, far more reliable than sources quoted for many other pages. That being said, if a more direct link to the accident report pdf is preferred, then that should be added, as has been done for other significant accidents. Hyperman 42 (talk) 10:02, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

text: I wonder if we should put the tag discussion as a separate subheading. Hyperman 42 (talk) 10:03, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

text: It's been useful to have the article challenged. It was originally written 16 years ago and looking at it now, there is a lot more useful material that could be added. Definitely worth a revisit, thanks. Hyperman 42 (talk) 10:38, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source tag