Talk:Big Brother 8 (American season)/Archive 4

message: I understand that there are a few newer users working on this article.  With that in mind, please note that WP:V and WP:RS still apply for article content.  Specifically, the America's Player box should be probably changed to pending for numbers 6,8,9,10,11,12, and 14 until the success or failure of the task is confirmed by a reliable sources.  Also be wary of original research in the character bios in the article. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 21:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reminder that Core Policies Still Apply

message: Someone wants to identify the Jury Members so I made it "legend5" which is a dark purple color. I put as the description Jury Member (Evicted) so people not normally watching will know that that person is a Jury Member but no longer a houseguest. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 00:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, that's a bit too far. Evicted is evicted. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 01:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well people want to use the spot that is intended for us to put the veto so to compromise just make the Jury a different color. I know it is extreme but people will keep changing it so I say compromise. We can change them to evicted after the season ends or keep them the same. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, it can stay, under the condition that after the season ends it is pink like the rest of the seasons. Deal? T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 01:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Ya, I agree, as long as they are pink at the end of the season. Please don't change it in the voting history. Not just you, Alucard16, anyone. - Spyke1077 01:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean light red like the rest of the season lol. Pink is if they walk. Deal T, I accept. And don't worry about the voting history, the results box is indicator enough to say he is Jury!  ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be the evicted colour since he's been evicted (Dustin that is). Geoking66talk 01:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea I agree, but people want to identify Jury Members during the season so to make a compromise that causes less frustration is we identify Jury Members by a different color then when the season ends we change the color to evicted. Less work on us changing it back during the season. Once the season ends it won't matter and we can change the jury to Evicted when the season ends. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmmm... this is tricky, I don't really agree with the jury color, but it can't do any harm, I really don't know what to do here. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 02:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's temp. until Sept. 18, it can't do harm and will *maybe* stop inexperienced users from messing with the Infobox. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Keep the color until the end of the season ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 04:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My opinion is that it should stay as evicted, what if someone does walk? Then what colour would we use? Geoking66talk 01:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Jury colour looks very similar to the nominated colour, so it kind of looks like 3 people are nominated. So if there was to be a jury colour, I think it should be something a lot different than blue (nominated), yellow (HoH) or red (evicted). Maybe green? - zachinthebox 03:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Green becomes the winner in Big Brother endgame and in the voting history. Geoking66talk 03:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jury Member Color 

message: As we know from a previous discussion or our own discovery, belovèd Big Brother editor Jeeny has left all of us because of a racism discussion on a talk page. I have put a memory dedication for Jeeny on my user, not talk, page if anyone is interested. Please sign if you feed to do so. Geoking66talk 02:39, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I signed. That was really nice. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I signed as well, that was a nice thing to do. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 03:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the support. Geoking66talk 03:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for doing that, I'm sure if she sees it, she will really appreciate it. - Spyke1077 04:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

text: YAY! Jeeny's back! - Spyke1077 05:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am so glad Jeeny's back! ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 05:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A memorial for Jeeny 

message: Does anyone else think Eric's jumping jacks should be removed, because Jessica and Jameka's discussion seems a little too much on this page. Seth71 19:47, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, I totally agree with you. I think the the fact that he has a small dick is not important, nor would he like to see it written here. - Spyke1077 01:12, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, whoever signed up there is an idiot. Yes, it is a fact that Eric got naked. But you're missing the point, the point is, that it's UNNESSECARY information. Nobody wants EVERY last detail! That fact is very un-important. No, he is not "required to walk through the door", as it will not be added back because it's not required. Melanie 03:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jumping Jack's 

message: DANI WON YAY! go to jokers updates for evidence. 2 HoH and 3 PoV !!!
Hope she takes someone off because I have heard that Dick wants to backdoor Jen! User:ScottAHudson
Dani does not want to use the veto and wants to get Amber out. Don't say those things here they are for comments for improving the page. Seth71 15:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DANI WINS PoV 

message: Under Dick it said:
(Dick) taunted some of the religious beliefs of some players because of their complete contrast to their behavior in the House
We need to watch out for when people tend to put things like this in here, it seems to be discriminating and stereotyping.--Sugarcubez 23:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but saying that Dick has said some anti-Christian remarks is too, kind've. He hasn't, he has made some negative remarks to other HouseGuests because of their contrast to their behavior in the House. Don't you think Jameka (a Christian) calling Dick's, Christian, ordained minister, mom a bitch, contrast? I would. Maybe I wouldn't have said complete, but I didn't put that there. How is that stereotyping, stereotyping is, for example:
* skinny, tall girl = model. 
* guy with glasses = nerd.
* blonde = stupid.
etc.
Anti-Christian remarks is too harsh, and I don't think he has. He has made some negative remarks to other HouseGuests because of their contrast to their behavior in the House. 
Anyway, there is already a topic about this up above, which is why I keep changing it. Melanie 03:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dick 

message: How can Daniele be Head of Household and have Power of Veto? Fugio 00:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you ever seen Big Brother? - Spyke1077 01:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, my God. I agree. You clearly haven't watched Big Brother or you're new. But just to make it clear, if you are Head of Household, you are FOR SURE, aloud to compete in the Veto competition, rather than have your name picked. (Melanie 03:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe they it meant she had been saved with veto. -- 3bay sam 09:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Daniele has WON the Veto, while she is HOH, if she is HOH, she cannot be on the block, therefore she can't be saved by the Veto. She has in previous weeks, been saved by the Veto. But the Veto symbol, represents that that HouseGuest currently holds the Power of Veto. Melanie 15:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daniele 

message: Well for article sake I am confirming that the information about Jen is true and should not be removed. She has broken a fundamental rule of Big Brother US by eating food while on slop. She is still supposed to be on slop due to the veto competition on Day 36, plus she was on this week's losing team. Big Brother has given her a penalty nomination for next week if she survives this week (I think this a notable first for the US Series and quite possibly Big Brother overall since I think this is the first ever punishment in a US Season.) Due to this she can not participate in the Veto, can't be saved with the Veto, or participate for HoH as she must be a nominee the whole time. I know Wikipedia is not a forum but this relates to the article and contains some info to why it should stay until the broadcasts. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 06:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, Zack has said that the Executive Producers had left before the incident happened and they can make a different call to the situation. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 06:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jen 

message: I mentioned this on the Highlights page but that talk page doesn't seem to get too many visitors so I'll say it here too:
Why don't we organize the table like that on Big Brother 6 (US), it makes the information easier to find, and it looks (to me) more organized. - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 15:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organizing Chronology Table 

message: Would the Veto image stay in the infobox with the winner until the week is up or remove it after the veto ceremony? ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 21:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that it should stay, although I believe that if it used, the person that was saved rather than the person that won it should have it next to their name since the person who was saved is technically holding it. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 22:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Veto Winner  

message: I am posting this here since this is the most active BB US article. I don't know how to request protection so could someone help. There are anonymous users who keep changing colors to the Voting History table to stupid colors like Violet for no reason, changing the infobox to housemates instead of endgame. And just do unnecessary things to the article. It has gotten to the point that I am checking the article every day to make sure everything is right. So could someone help me get this protected for a while? ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 00:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alucard, head over to WP:RFP and follow the instructions at the top of the page for semi-protection. I'd do it for you but the best way to learn these things is probably to have a go yourself. Let me know if you have any problems :) Seaserpent85Talk 00:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Seaserpent85 I put in a request. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 00:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just want to make sure you know it has been denied.  Just got this from  WP:RFP
Declined – There is not enough recent disruptive activity to justify protection at this time. - I also see some constructive edits from anon editors there - Alison ☺ 01:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, I know I am just so frustrated with that page, it seems like every time I check it something is wrong and 100% of the time some anon editor made the change. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 03:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting Protection for [[Big Brother 2 (US)]] 

message: Cbs posted up the official results to the task he has completed. Im going to go correct the ones we have wrong. Heres the link to the page http://www.cbs.com/primetime/bigbrother8/americas_player/archive.shtml Rosario lopez 06:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally, well at least we now know what is Completed and Failed. Thanks Rosario lopez ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 08:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm looks like I was right...again...you guys are smart people!68.99.22.105 02:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  Will Tuesday's task now turn into a "Should Eric use the Veto"? ....... Anung Mwka 13:22, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not unless they change the schedule - the veto ceremony takes place on Mondays - which would be before the viewing public even knew Eric had won the veto. They could use the previous votes from before though - for example, they could tell Eric to get the person with the second most votes nominated, which could involve using the veto on Zach. This is all speculation though, so nothing can be added to the article yet. Seaserpent85Talk 14:34, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  America's Player Tasks 

message: CBS.com has task 3 listed as complete while my tivo'ed episode #6 has CBS buzzing and infatically saying Eric failed the task to convince Jen to nominate Jessica. Which is more official, CBS.com or an episode of Big Brother? I would personally think the episode because the producers help edit and create a layout for the episodes but leave the web site to the network, but I think this should be discussed. I vote we list as TBD untill CBS explains why this task was completed when the episode says it was not and Jessica was in fact not nominated. Comedy240 18:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would tend to say that a nationally aired episode has more basis than a webpage.208.137.139.5 19:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the above comment, and would rely more on the episodes if possible.  However, please remember that the webpage actually is the Official CBS website, so it too should be treated as factual information.  It's a toughie. - Rjd0060 19:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason he passed it was because task number 3 was just to try to get her nominated. Eric did not need to actually get her nominated. I have seen the episode and buzzard did go off but only when Jen said he would not nominate her. But this doesnt matter since he didn't have to get her on the block. The buzzing was just to show that Eric failed at actually getting the task done, but not for completing it. I know its confusing but Eric in fact did past that task. The following week Big Brother changed the wording/rule so that the person America chose had to be nominated for Eric to get credit.Rosario lopez 19:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the America's Player archive page, the first nomination task with Jessica says "Of the remaining HouseGuests, who should Eric try to get nominated?", note the "try", but every other nomination task says "Which HouseGuest do you want Eric to get nominated?" with a little more added to the beginning on a few. - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 20:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That buzzing that can be heard in episode 6 was the same buzzing that went off in every other task he failed (i.e. Joe's bed, Jessica's silent treatment), so that would be BB telling us he failed the task, actually they buzzed him 6 times during his talk with Jen in the backyard, here is the clip . Whenever Eric passes a task we hear a ding and sometimes we see a checkmark. I think it is pretty clear one of two things happened. Either the producers failed Eric during week 2 and by week 7 they have changed their minds and decided to pass him OR the producers failed Eric week 2 and the CBS.com typoed. It is undeniable that during the editing of that episode Eric had officially failed that task. I would like to make two changes to this page: the first would be to mark task #3 as TBD, but I will leave that up to the group, the second to add a little more prose about the tasks in general which I will do sortly after posting this. Comedy240 22:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First off I like what you did to the America's Player section (I think that was you). You are right with the buzzard always going off when he fails but the buzzing for episode 6 was more for a comical purpose, it kept buzzing as a joke. This was only the third task and Eric didnt fail any task yet, so the buzzard wasn't established as a meaning that he failed. And again the whole thing is the wording of the question. Task #3 was just to try to get Jessica nominated, the following weeks it was changed so that he has to get the person nominated. Big Brother knew that Eric would be making a lot if money and that is why they changed it. Or at least that is the way I view it.Rosario lopez 05:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With the vote 3-2 in favor of changing to TBD I think I will go ahead and do so. It is pretty obvious that the night of the 6th episode that the producers failed Eric on task #3. Untill CBS gives a press release on why Eric now has passed a test which he had once failed I think it is acceptable to assume that there might have been a typo on CBS.com Comedy240 23:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: NO, It says who should Eric TRY to get nominated. He ATTEMPTED to get Jessica nominated. Therefore, he completed the task. Melanie 02:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: America's Player Task #3

message: This will probably require the help of someone who has the first few episodes of this season on tape somewhere, but I think it would help the article to have photos of the HouseGuests on here. Before anyone reminds me of the terms of fair use, I do realise we used to have them and that they were removed. However, I've been involved in a few similar articles and it turns out there's nothing against including up to 3 images showing the HouseGuests in groups. What does everyone think? Seaserpent85Talk 22:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think three to four max is fine, we would need a fair use rational for them though. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 22:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, the fair use would be no problem as I've written a fair few of them on my time here. The problem is mainly getting hold of the screenshots in the first place! I'll have a look back and see what I can find, but Carol wasn't in many episodes so it may be hard to find suitable shots. Seaserpent85Talk 22:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, some group screenshots would be good. I tried putting one of those on the BB8 UK article once, but somebody removed it pretty quickly. I'll find some screenshots as soon as possible. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 22:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Turns out I had the first episode all along! I've split it into 2 groups (it's unbelievably hard to get decent stills with more than 2 people in!) which are the originals and the 'nemeses'. I think they fit in pretty well and both have suitable fair use rationales. :) Seaserpent85Talk 01:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HouseGuest Photos 

message: In the voting table nomination twist notes, the statement:
can be found. Although a discussion is in a previous section of the talk page, someone needs to find a reputable source for this information, not about the penalty nomination, but rather the second sentence (Originally if she [survived]…) Geoking66talk 22:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Currently there is no official statement from CBS because the Thursday show hasn't aired but since everyone puts what happens on the live feeds here I posted about Jen's punishment for eating while on slop. On the feeds she originally had a penalty nomination for eating but the executive producers found that unfair to Jameka so they took back the penalty nomination and gave her a penalty eviction vote instead. This is on the feeds but since the Thursday show hasn't aired CBS has not released official word. This is one of the problems I think about posting information that is on the feeds before they air. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 23:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are various sites like Hamster Watch and RealityNewsOnline that have the information about the penalties. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 23:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt we are going to get any official word on the penalty nomination because it was changed to a penalty vote. Most likely they will just ignore the penalty nomination on the show and act like it was never an option. But I will try to find an actual link that says that she originally received the penalty nomination.Rosario lopez 05:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your are most likely right but we will have to wait and see. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 08:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced penalty nomination statement 

message: I know this doesn't have much to do with the article, but when will there be a double eviction, and when it happens, how do we show it in the voting history? I think there has to be at least two, it ends Sept. 18. - Spyke1077 19:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at Big Brother 6 (US) and Big Brother 7 (US) and that will show how we put in the double evictions. And I don't know when they will do those maybe in Week 8 and 9 I think. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 21:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series duration 

message: Can someone request to protect the chronology article for one month. An anon user keeps adding ridiculous stuff to the punishments section for Week 7 like 
The whole list of punishments was worthless, though, as Jen was evicted at the close of the week, and would have been anyway if not for the penalty vote.
and just other ridiculous stuff. I would do it myself but I just don't have the time to request protection. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would do it but I actually don't think we should request it.  The reason is that there has only been a couple anonymous users in the last few days.  Although one of them placed that vandalism on it (maybe the other one too, but I didn't check), they have also provided some good edits.  I really don't think a protection request would be approved for that reason.  I will add a warning tag to 75.39.59.16 .  And if that person continues, we can always report it and they will be blocked.  Make sense? - Rjd0060 03:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-Protecting the Chronology 

message: I moved the "original 11" photo, but now it kinda messes up the alignment of Ambers bio.  Could someone who's better at this than me please make it prettier?  It was just REALLY bothering me that it was mixed in the middle of the bios, and seemingly part of Jen's bio.  Tommy 04:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind...sort of?  I think I kinda fixed it (meaning it looks less worse), so at least Amber's bio isn't mashed in with the photo.  But maybe someone could still pretty it up a little more?  Sorry, I'm tryin! :) Tommy 04:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the nemeses photo to Dick's section, above his last paragraph in the code so that it's not smooshing much into Dustin's section.  Does it look better there? - fmmarianicolon | Talk 13:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original 11 Photo 

message: Hello, I've just created a seperate page proposing guidlines for noteability of Reality TV contestants and if they should have their own articles. I did this due to the mass number of articles being created and deleted on these subjects in recent months, and confusion among editors if they are in fact noteable or not. You can read this here. All edits and comments on the talk page are welcome. Thanks, Dalejenkins |  16:26, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reality TV star noteability guidelines

message: I have kinda edited the Voting Table already but I am explaining what I did here. I wanted to reduce repetitiveness in the Notes section where there are two or more notes for that week. Instead of having this:
                       	Week 6                	Week 7
Head of Household      	Jessica               	Daniele
Nominations(pre-veto)  	DanieleDick           	AmberJameka
Veto Winner            	Dick                  	Daniele
Nominations(post-veto) 	DickDustin            	JamekaJen
                       	                      	
Notes                  	See note 2  See note 4	See note 2  See note 4See note 5
Evicted(votes to evict)	Dustin
4 of 6         	Jen
6 of 6
Evicted(votes to evict)	Dustin
4 of 6         	Jen
6 of 6
The notes section of the table could be formated to look like this for weeks with two or more notes, less repetitive and cleaner I think.
                       	Week 6       	Week 7
Head of Household      	Jessica      	Daniele
Nominations(pre-veto)  	DanieleDick  	AmberJameka
Veto Winner            	Dick         	Daniele
Nominations(post-veto) 	DickDustin   	JamekaJen
                       	             	
Notes                  	See notes2, 4	See notes2, 4, 5
Evicted(votes to evict)	Dustin
4 of 6	Jen
6 of 6
Evicted(votes to evict)	Dustin
4 of 6	Jen
6 of 6
♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 09:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like this way a lot better - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 13:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Does look a lot better.  Good work! - Rjd0060 14:46, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

text: A lot less cluttered. Looks awesome, great job! - Spyke1077 23:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I thought that some people might not like it. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 06:03, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voting Table Notes 

message: I had to edit the prizes section because the dates were wrong. Just a heads up to any user (specifically new/inexperienced users) that POV competitions are held on Saturdays, not Fridays. Nominations are Fridays. - Spyke1077 23:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prizes section 

message: The floorplan of the house used in this article should be re-drawn to scale using this as a reference.  This suggestion was originally made on 12 August 2007, but it has since been archived without anyone acting on it.  I would redraw the floorplan myself, but do not have access to any good graphics programs.  Please continue further discussion on the suggestion here, but be aware that a volunteer to complete this job is still needed. --Anonymous 17:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I created a proposed update to the floor plan, based on this suggestion. See the current image talk page for proposed image. Jj04 04:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Modification to Floorplan Used in this Article