Talk:List of female tennis players

message: Clearly, the TOC cannot link to the N and O internal links due to the combination of the two letters under one header.  Belathus 10:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've fixed it.  You could've done it yourself.  Be bold in editing pages. -- Smjg 15:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: There are many players in bold font who do not quite meet the criteria stated at the top of the page. Should the criteria be changed, in which case some more players should be in bold font, or should the names of players in bold font who do not match the criteria be changed to ordinary font? Coyets 14:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The criteria should not change IMO.--Svetovid 15:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Players in bold font 

message: I found this page in a very uneven condition with some players that have never been in the WTA Top 200 included, a random mixture of inclusions and exclusions between Nos. 101-200, and a significant minority of current Top 100 players omitted. For the sake of consistency and avoidance of bias, I have updated it to the inclusion of all current WTA Top 200-listed players and propose that each week that the WTA Top 200 rankings are updated, any new entries (previously ranked outside the Top 200) should be added if not already present. I have not removed players that have never been ranked in the Top 200 however, since for one thing there is no common agreement to this criterion to date - it is merely my tentative proposal, in the realisation that to get to the WTA Top 200 these days in what has become a very, very competitive sport players have to be seriously good and committed, and that many players ranked between 101-200 are of interest as future Top 100 players or at least for still being able to put up a strong fight and cause occasional upsets against Top 100 players.
Since there are no retrospective records of the WTA world rankings available on the Internet except for annual ones at a particular time of each year, it is going to be impossible to apply the same standards with consistency retrospectively. However, I would suggest that it might be worth considering going through the annual lists at some point and fishing out all Top-100-listed players for at least the past 20 years or so, depending on how far back the lists go, since their names are likely to be remembered by anyone who has followed tennis with even a moderate level of interest.
I think this page can be a very useful first port of call if consistent standards are upheld when it comes to selecting articles that need writing or expanding. Philip Graves (talk) 11:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Either someone satisfies the criteria or she doesn't.  No one should be on the list based on a probability that she will satisfy the criteria at some point in the future.  Criteria, no matter how carefully drafted, are not going to prevent people from adding players (or others) that don't meet the criteria.  People are not going to understand the criteria, are not going to know where to look to see if a candidate satisfies the criteria, don't care about the criteria, or will add names just because they think it's cute to do so.  Tennis expert (talk) 17:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for inclusion? 

message: The criteria for inclusion in a wiki-list is simply having an article in Wikipedia that can be linked to. This proves notability and provides the source/citations necessary to remain in the list. Black (un-linked) or Red links (items without a main article) as a main entry in the list are pointless and uninformative. The item article must be written before inclusion in the list(s). GenQuest (talk) 23:45, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Criteria is simple

message: The French version of Wikipedia is in a very advanced condition when it comes to its records of past WTA players and their highest rankings, surpassing the information available at the ITF and WTA sites, and appears to have been expertly compiled, though sources are not apparently stated.
The equivalent to this article on the French site is here:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_joueuses_de_tennis
Although the arrangement by country on that page is not ideal, the links to articles on it could be very useful for writing at least stubs with essential statistics etc. on the many famous names of the past 37 years or so who do not yet have articles on the English wikipedia. Philip Graves (talk) 12:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: More Advanced Player Data from French Wikipedia

message: Any suspect entries of which no records of competitive play on the main WTA or ITF circuits exist may be posted here and discussed for deletion.
Someone just deleted 'Catherine Anderson (USA)' without explanation and this was reverted because no explanation was provided. I decided to investigate. Apparently she competes regularly on the seniors tour but there are no records of her having competed on the main tour on the available ITF and WTA records online, which is not to suggest necessarily that she never did, since she was born in the mid-1940s and may have competed at the main professional level longer ago than the online records cover. The entry was added on 22:11, 2 November 2007 by an anonymous user - records indicate that this is the only post to Wikipedia ever made by this one user, which might suggest a personal interest in getting her recognised on the list. Personally I am not convinced that she should be on the list since no records of her having any ITF or WTA history outside the seniors can be found, and success on the seniors tour alone is not an acceptable criterion for notability in my opinion. So perhaps the deletion was justified. However, I don't have any reference books on players from long ago or detailed knowledge of these eras, so I'll leave her on for now pending any further information forthcoming about her history, although I'm sceptical currently.
:I think she should be deleted.  I could find no record of her competing on the main amateur or professional tours.  Tennis expert (talk) 10:26, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sally Moore (married name "Huss") was born June 8, 1940.  She played many ordinary tour events and played Grand Slam events (and occasionally was seeded) during the late 1950s and early 1960s.  U.S.: 1957 (3R), 1958 (QF), 1959 (3R); Wimbledon: 1958 (1R), 1959 (SF), 1960 (2R), 1961 (1R).  She was ranked in the U.S. top 10 in 1957, 1958, and 1959.  This is undoubtedly the same Sally Moore who lost in the second round of the 1976 US Open, when she would have been 36 years old.  There is ample precedent for large gaps in participation in Grand Slam events, e.g., Karen Susman.  However, I cannot explain why her birth year is listed as 1976 in this article.  That is clearly wrong and should be corrected.  After retiring, Moore Huss played USTA senior events successfully and wrote at least one tennis book, entitled "How to Play Power Tennis With Ease" (1979).  You can find her autobiography here.  Pictures are here and here.  She explains why she quit the tour at 20 years old, why she returned to the tour at age 28, and why she quit again to get married, here.  She lost in the second round of the 1975 Wimbledon qualifying tournament and was ranked 25th in the U.S. that year.   That's about all I know about her.  Tennis expert (talk) 23:03, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Suspect entries to consider for deletion

message: Zhang Shuai (Chinese player who has risen fast into the Top 200 in the past year or two) - this currently links to a Chinese football player instead. I don't know how to move the existing page for the football player to Zhang Shuai (football) while retaining its edit history, though I could recreate Zhang Shuai as a disambiguation page once that was done. Anyone knowing how to do this, help would be appreciated so we can get the tennis player's page going under Zhang Shuai (tennis) linked from the disambiguation page. Philip Graves (talk) 19:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Zhang Shuai moved to Zhang Shuai (football) with edit history.  Zhang Shuai is now disambiguation page.  Zhang Shuai (tennis) can now be created.--Damon Mah (talk) 08:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

text: 2 and half years gone and still this happens. Could someone fix this? 85.217.51.162 (talk) 23:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The German tennis player is called Anne Schäfer, and she is listed in this article under that name, although ITF and WTA list her as Anne Schaefer. So, I think a hatnote is more appropriate than a disambiguation page. Coyets (talk) 15:47, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation pages needed for the following players 

message: It's "U.S. Championships", not "US Championships".  And "US Open", not "U.S. Open".  Tennis expert (talk) 14:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for pointing that out, I was unaware of the convention.  I will change that in the article when I have more time.  Maedin\talk 15:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming

message: Why are you italicizing the names of some players?  Tennis expert (talk) 14:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Players with italicised names have retired from the sport.  I have not, as yet, added this note to the beginning of the list.  Maedin\talk 15:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Italics

message: I've added a question on centreing in tables to the technical village pump.  I am not experienced with tables and was hoping Tennis expert could make sense of any replies!  Maedin\talk 09:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably due to the lack of reliable information on the particular colonies or regions that a "South African" may have been from.  If it were possible to determine whether or not, say, a South African player were actually Cape Colony or Transvaal, then I would have no objection to using those particular flags.  Other users might have an objection though: while West Germany and East Germany and the political strife of that era are common knowledge, I doubt if the average person knows the make-up of the current South Africa.  Maedin\talk 07:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it not be possible to use the 1928-1994 national flag of South Africa? Surely this is what the men's list does. The Cape Colony and the Transvaal joined the Union of South Africa in 1910. So, the South African flag should surely be the correct flag for South Africans between 1928 and 1994. For South Africans from 1910 to 1912 and from 1912 to 1928, there are also national flags of South Africa which should be used. I do not think there are any pre-1910 South African players in the list for whom it would be necessary to use the Cape Colony flag or the Transvaal flag. The oldest South African player I could find in the list was Irene Bowder Peacock, for whom the 1912-1928 national flag of South Africa should be used. By the way, I also like the use of flags in this list. Coyets (talk) 17:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Centreing

message: Obviously this is still a work in progress, but it seems to me that the tables will be more useful if _not_ split into letters. If all the items are in a single table, one can sort all the players by nationality, for instance. 
Ordinary Person (talk) 03:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Alphabetical splitting

message: I just want to check this: currently the intro says that it is sufficient that a player has "won at least one WTA ranking event".(EDIT:I mean specifically for DoublesOrdinary Person (talk) 23:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think it actually means WTA tour events, and that is how the players have been "selected" so far.  I wouldn't like to extend it to any event with WTA ranking points, as I think the criteria for inclusion is already quite broad (overall, not just in doubles) and the list is extremely long.  But, of course, open to discussion on that point.  Maedin\talk 06:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I shall "be bold" and change the wording.Ordinary Person (talk) 07:15, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: WTA ranking events

message: Sorry, I don't know, which player is retired and which player is not retired. I'm confuse with the list, because no indication (example bold and italic) to show which player is retired or not. Thank you for reading.  tatasport  talk with me here 06:02, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The list is a little bit confusing 

message: I just started a discussion about the list of tennis player articles on the wikiproject Tennis. We should harmonize the male and female lists. You are welcome to weigh in with ideas. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tennis#List_of_tennis_players. MakeSense64 (talk) 13:57, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of male and female tennis players 

message: I've seen some long lists and some trivial lists and this meets both qualities of ridiculousness. WTA Top 200 is way over the top trivial, and even if it were not it is grossly unfair to have a top 200 in modern times but a quarterfinal in a grand slam tournament is needed before the inception of the WTA world rankings system. that is recentism and trivial. This should be streamlined to the men's chart, and even that smacks of recentism, but isn't bloated beyond reason.
the men's method is:
: Top 25 singles players during the "Open Era"; top 5 prior to the Open Era; singles quarterfinalist or better at a Major; finals at any year-end event; singles medalists at the Olympics; won a Major or Olympic doubles title; or have been ranked No. 1 in doubles.
To have two articles that are so very different is quite strange. Anyway that's my thoughts on this ladies list. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:57, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Have always wondered why the men's and women's list should have so vastly different criteria. Can't think of a single good reason why that should be the case. As this involves two articles perhaps we should move this discussion to the tennis project talk page.--Wolbo (talk) 23:03, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem with that for me. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:13, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ridiculous list 

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message: I've just discovered that Anne Marie Seghers does exist in Wikipedia but the first name is hyphenated (Anne-Marie Seghers).  Can someone who knows how and cares change something to make this available.
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