Talk:W00t

message: Pablo Mayrgundter 04:26, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How is "w00t" any faster to type than "woot"?? Since a greater number of people look at the keys to type numbers than for letters, because of the additional reach required, it is more likely that "woot" would be faster. The l33t explanation is far more likely.--Jeffro77 08:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "w00t" is faster to type than "whoot" because it has less letters. The 0 instead of o is pure 1337. 71.220.211.235 (talk) 03:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rap Origin Theory

message: It's one thing for it to be a theory, quite another for the article to label it as a known origin: it's probably the right origin, and maybe use is particular popular on USENET, but a Google groups search or a few Usenet posts containing the word w00t by themselves are not really a credible source, what I want to see is a good source that claims this is the actual origin of the slang, as opposed to say another Folk etymology.  The problem with going through Google groups like that is it's incomplete;  they don't have all postings, particularly those marked "No Archive", key pieces to the puzzle could be missing, so it would be  Original Research to attempt to discern the origin from a source like that. --Mysidia (talk) 07:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rap Origin presented as the real Origin

message: Plain and simple, r to w, oo to 00, and the t stays.  I originoally heard it exclaimed near me by someone completing a hacker challenge.  When asked he said that he had achieved the goal and the customary hacker response is w00t, because when a hacker gains root he has achieved whatever he needs to do with the box.
:Can you substantiate that? - jredmond 23:05, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great, but do you have a reliable source that confirms that?  Powers T 15:22, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  w00t as a derivative and leetified version of root 

message: ::I surfed through Google Groups interface and found two instances of "Woot!" as a standalone phrase from mid to late 1994. The later post titled "Woot! I got 'da Land!" is from a Paul Stephanouk dated October 18, 1994. The earlier post in September 12, 2004 was from a Chris Fisher who in a thread about a Huntsville, Alabama (USA) indoor laser tag location (or game?) called "Q-Zar" wrote: "Yesterday we all played again, my first game was a low scorer, I helped lots of newbies get some base hits and for the cause (our team won!@# woot!@#) I died a lot." Here's the entire thread. It's interesting to note that Paul Stephanouk (who is mentioned as a "director of systems development" at a Huntsville ISP) initiated that thread.
::There appear to be Fall 1993 references to the US football team, the New Orleans Saints who used the "Whoot! There it is!" phrase in a cheer. The poster says he knew the correct spelling only because the phrase was on t-shirts. Here's my totally speculative scenario: whoever handled cheerleading for the New Orleans Saints decided on the "Whoot! There it is" cheer because of its simularity to the "Whoomp!" version. Perhaps the choice of "Whoot!" versus "Whoomp!" got decided on licensing grounds (this phrase after all ended up on t-shirts). Anyway, Saints fans take the phrase home with them and within a short while bring it to the internet.
::I apologize for the number of Google links, but Google groups does appear here to be useful to help determine when these phrases appeared in the wild. - KarlHallowell 00:54, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you substantiate that? - jredmond 23:06, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, it's kind of obvious if you ignore the utter lack of wootness in the German language. In fact, German doesn't have a single word that remotely resembles the spelling and/or pronunciation of "woot". Spelling-wise "Wort" gets close, but that simply means "word". -- Ashmodai 07:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, we do have a word that is pronounced the same (at least when w00t rhymes to shoot), "Wut" which means anger. But I doubt very much that this has anything to do with each other. And at least to my knowledge there is no word for cool that comes near to it. Especially since the most common word for "cool" is "cool" ;-) -- Windharp 09:11, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. Trying to trace its actual origin is tricky - because there wasn't a single one. Wasn't the paper clip invented by several sources simultaneously? It just worked. The whole "woo" base is phonetically tied to a happy/excited exclamation. Unless I'm mistaken, 'pwn' was naturally occuring as well, as an 'own' typo. --Falos 19:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I thought the Chocobos in FF7 said 'wark'? Draculix 13:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other ideas 

message: It may have existed beforehand, but as far as I can remember (and corroborate with other heavy internet gamers of the time), w00t really came into its own in Starsiege: Tribes. --gwax UN (say hi) 00:07, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tribes

message: I don't think w00t is made from another word or an acronym; to me it seems like a phonetic representation of a cheer someone might use similar to "woohoo". Particularly if someone had a speech impediment, or by accident it doesn't seem unusual for someone to exclaim "w00t" without knowing that it's commonly used.
Also:
"The Simpsons (episode 146, season 7, 1996). Itchy and Scratchy is replaced by a political cartoon - immediately following the "amendment to be" song in the cartoon, a manic amendment repeatedly exclaims "woot" whilst firing a pair of pistols and running up the Congress steps."
I'm pretty sure he's saying "whoop woopwoopwoop", as a tribute to the 3 Stooges. 24.146.8.72 18:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Trying to trace its actual origin is tricky - because there wasn't a single one. Wasn't the paper clip invented by several sources simultaneously? It just worked. The whole "woo" base is phonetically tied to a happy/excited exclamation. Unless I'm mistaken, 'pwn' was naturally occuring as well, as an 'own' typo. --Falos 19:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Woohoo

message: Isn't this what the chocobos in Final Fantasy VII (possibly earlier) say? Since the origins of this word are unclear it may not be possible to determine which came first. Fazul 13:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the Chocobos in FF7 said 'wark'? Draculix 13:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Final Fantasy

message: w00t is a word spelled in leetspeak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet and should mention this and link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet
?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.109.166.218 (talk) 21:41, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing link

message: We were using "w00t!" back in 1993-4 whilst playing MUDDs, the forerunner to MMORPGs. I'm pretty sure a few of these worlds have been archived, so a journalist writing on this subject may want to follow up on that. Bear in mind we don't publish original research on Wikipedia, but if you can get an article published (not self-published), we can cite it here. Rklawton (talk) 19:25, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: MUDDs

message: This article includes the incredibly unhelpful claim that "w00t is pronounced as if it were 'woot'".  There is no common English word "woot", so how is anyone to know how to pronounce it?  The "oo" could be pronounced as in "book" or as in "boot".  Can someone please clarify this, preferably using (IPA)IPA symbols or whatever equivalent phonetic transcription is accepted on Wikipedia? Psychonaut 14:14, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed that sentence to indicate that "w00t" rhymes with "boot" and "root", though someone more fluent in the Wikipedia phonetic alphabet of choice may want to add a better explanation of pronunciation. - jredmond 16:49, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Both pronunciations of root are commonly heard here in Minnesota, USA (rhymes with either foot or loot).  I've never heard w00t pronounced so it rhymes with foot; it's always been the lute rhyme.  Anybody heard it pronounced the other way?  Changed the pronunciation back in the usages section; if you've heard it the other way (i.e. that w00t can rhyme with either pronunciation of root), change it back, but you should probably note the pronunciation discrepency in the article as well. --Matthew0028 06:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm fairly sure it's closer to the original exclamation "Woo" that "Wew". It's true that 'wewt' is around, but the true "w00t" hasn't the "Ewww, gross" ("screw"?) tone of 'ew'. More accurate than "bewt", "lewt," "shewt" etc would be an owl's "Hoot". That is, the owl's hoot, not the human pronounciation, which may very well be "hewt" in some areas. I'm being picky, but I think that's w00t for ya. --Falos 19:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It is generally a very bad practice to say "X was first seen in the year N".  This statement is very difficult, if not impossible, to verify.  If the original author would, please cite the 1994 reference as that would be helpful but still would only prove the earliest documented existence known to Wikipedia at this time.  —RaD Man (talk) 19:19, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Editorial

message: But we should keep the backronyms that enjoy some popularity, as long as we make clear that they're wrong. For instance I've seen "we owned the other team" and "wonderful loot" mentioned many places. --SPUI (talk) 22:09, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Woot, we figured it out

message: I believe that the Usage section needs significant edits and restructuring. Far too much of the information is repetitive and extraneous. People have been adding to it, and no one has been deleting, merging, or making it in any way readable. The entire section should probably be put into two paragraphs: spelling variations and situations where the word is used. Someone please consider doing this. --Ilyag 12:20, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
=== sarcasm ===
I won't butcher the article, but why is it so that you seem to think that w00t can't be spoken sarcastically? Afterall, just about everything can. There are no rules on how to use words, so people will naturally use them in whatever way they feel is appropriate. I'll say, though, that the word isn't always best off being used in that context, but just plain saying that NOBODY EVER uses w00t sarcastically is just plain simply a bad assumption based on nothing.
:Hell, I've used it sarcastically. 81.15.144.177 08:43, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK.  Now prove your theory. - jredmond 17:35, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

text: yeah, I' haven't ever heard of that either. McKay 22:45, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've heard it tons of times. Many people from sweden uses is in the form of "what". Also, the majority of the Fragbite-community (swedish community about eSport and stuff) uses "w00t" in a form of "what". Even I does it. So even if it's just a small aoumont of people says that w00t can mean "what" it's still a possible definition. Let it stay!  Klibbnisse 17:08, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Usage

message: I won't butcher the article, but why is it so that you seem to think that w00t can't be spoken sarcastically? Afterall, just about everything can. There are no rules on how to use words, so people will naturally use them in whatever way they feel is appropriate. I'll say, though, that the word isn't always best off being used in that context, but just plain saying that NOBODY EVER uses w00t sarcastically is just plain simply a bad assumption based on nothing.
:Hell, I've used it sarcastically. 81.15.144.177 08:43, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  sarcasm 

message: It is my clear opinion as long time user of the internet and all that goes with it (irc etc.), that w00t is slang for what. This article
does not mention this at all.
I think the article is misleading in the sense that it emphasizes much less used meanings of w00t, instead of the
common mean "what".
e.G. "w00t that's awsome!".
:OK.  Now prove your theory. - jredmond 17:35, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah, I' haven't ever heard of that either. McKay 22:45, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've heard it tons of times. Many people from sweden uses is in the form of "what". Also, the majority of the Fragbite-community (swedish community about eSport and stuff) uses "w00t" in a form of "what". Even I does it. So even if it's just a small aoumont of people says that w00t can mean "what" it's still a possible definition. Let it stay!  Klibbnisse 17:08, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what = w00t 

message: Give it ups.  If Three 6 Mafia can win a damn Oscar, w00t can get the etymology it deserves ;-) Bobak 03:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  w00t is from rap 

message: As discussed in Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings),
Nest headings correctly, for the same reasons as above. The automatically-generated top-level heading of any page is a H1 which gives the article title. The headings within the article must therefore be H2, ie "==".
The heading levels in this talk page violate this, as "=" is used for the headings.  I fixed the heading levels to match the wikipedia style. —Matthew0028 02:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk page heading levels fixed

message: This is a comment from a history that extends from BEFORE the net and from personal use of the net since before the web existed via Pine and Vi unix mail editor, Telnet and the like. Could it be that the familiar wolf whistle, yes that politicially incorrect whistle that used to be given when men saw a girl they thought was awesome, that became the sound issued when something awesome happened, just got translated into text as 'woot woo'or 'woot' for short. Is this too simple an explanation...that a word was substituted for a whistle in an environment that excluded sound?
:While it may be true that they sound alike, it is very difficult to tell. It does make sense as a whistle, though, at least spelling-wise. The problem is that I think its origins are lost in the same manner as the origins of a number of other things, simply because we don't know who first used it when. It might help to talk to the earliest Usenet people who we can find using the term and ask them if they know where it came from, but I suspect we'll discover that they don't know/remember. Titanium Dragon 01:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a matter that is particularly muddled by the fact that as long as the internet exists, it is especially hard to say that anything at all existed before the internet. --64.132.163.178 19:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Older than the net perhaps 

message: This article states what the word means, then provides a (highly questionable) etymology. This is nothing more than a dictionary would be expected to do - should this artcle not move to Wiktionary?
Tompagenet 22:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing more than a Dictionary definition? 

message: You can comment here. -- weirdoactor t|c 18:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article has been nominated for deletion. 

message: I think it's important to incorporate the speculative etymological meanings of woot that have been posed in past iterations of this wiki.  However, there's no original research and we can't cite ratemyeverything, as it's clearly not a reasonable information source.  I then wonder, has there been any published article about the origin of the word?  I think it'd be nice if we could say "It has been speculated (reputable source), that w00t is a phrase with origins in linux hackers and d&d players."
Kaddar (talk) 07:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Merriam-Webster news should probably be cited in the article. In it, it says that w00t is '[...] an acronym for "we owned the other team"' Bendono (talk) 08:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, although merriam-webster didn't really go into detail to implied that we owned the other team came after the woot phrase, clearly it was used before first person games (see newsgroup usage statistics, use google for a page with some.), and therefore that is a backronym ... Kaddar (talk) 17:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for incorporating theories 

message: How is it pronounced, were it to be spoken aloud? --68.173.15.204 (talk) 21:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Woot -- Poydoo (talk) 19:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: The dictionary considers the acronym of "we owned the other team" to be the origin.--Jedravent (talk) 03:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, read it again.  It says it's known to be an acronym for that phrase, but it doesn't say the phrase is the origin.  As noted in the section immediately above, it is in fact a bacronym.  Powers T 01:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it was the only etymology the dictionary provided, and it suggested that was the origin. But that's ok if it's not mentioned in the article. --Jedravent (talk) 00:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's important to note that the word does not actually appear in a published Merriam-Webster dictionary.  Its only presence is on M-W's "Open Dictionary" project, which is similar to Wiktionary in that anyone can submit a word and definition.  For the article, they mentioned a common folk etymology/backronym of the word, but the comment certainly doesn't carry the same weight as an etymological entry in the dictionary proper.  Powers T 20:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that makes sense. --Jedravent (talk) 21:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merriam-Webster

message: This article was redirected after an AFD and this was endorsed at a very recent DRV. If you wish to recreate this article my advice is to rewrite it in article space with sources and then submit this draft to DRV. Thank you. Spartaz Humbug! 16:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: Grant Barrett's essay on the history of w00t 
"People had been saying 'There it is' forever. Everybody in Arsenio Hall's television audience used to the 'Wooof' chant. We put that together with the 'There it is' dance-floor chant we were hearing at the club."
:Thank you!
:The article is now at: “The Real History and Origin of Woot and w00t”, and gives an authoritative and substantiated etymology, with further sources, deriving it from the 1993 rap song “Whoot, There It Is”, and presumably earlier from the chant on The Arsenio Hall Show.
:I've incorporated this into the article in this edit, and similar material over at Wiktionary (w00t); thanks!
:—Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 05:02, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested References 

message: They are unsourced junk made up far more recently than the word itself. 86.128.50.60 (talk) 16:27, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most of the folk etymologies should go 

message: Looks like w00t.in is dead. No DNS entry found. Can anyone verify? Hmoulding (talk) 22:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defunct Reference 

message: I remember from when I first started using W00t back when the internet was a baby, was what it stood for in chat was Wow 00(lookie or look at) that the W is Capped if extra excited and small if not W00t or w00t. the 0's look like eye balls. ````Sheryl  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.179.185.164 (talk) 16:25, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  W00t 

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thread_title: Move discussion in progress