Talk:Fredric Jameson

message: This is pretty dense stuff.
I wonder if The Political Unconscious shouldn't be flagged also as one of his best-known works.  The analysis of it given is brief enough; perhaps it should also mention that he adopts or adapts material not obviously from the left, for example Northrop Frye and the quadriga.
I'm going to attempt some straight copy edits to improve readabiliy. 
Charles Matthews 10:53, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed on both counts, and on the need for copyediting.  I haven't had a chance yet to read the large additions to this article carefully, but it definitely needs more on Jameson's literary-critical writing as well as his political thought. -- Rbellin|Talk 15:28, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Any editing would be appreciated. I've only begun writing the article and haven't had occasion to properly distribute content in sections or care for readability. Please bear with me; it's ages since I wrote anything serious in English, and Jameson is dauntingly difficult to summarize adequately. The quadriga allusion beats me, though. ¿Care to expatiate? --Taragui 02:08, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
Quadriga is sometimes used for the four-level medieval scheme of Biblical interpretation literal/allegorical/tropological/teleological. Wikipedia may not have caught up with this, yet. Charles Matthews 08:46, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: Ah. Litera res gesta docet, quid credas allegoria, moralis quid agas, quo tendas anagogia, right? I didn't know about the term (though I had quite my share of the stuff reading the Church Fathers). Will add that when I have some time. Could you pinpoint me to a specific locus in Jameson for his take on the stuff? Thanks. Taragui 11:19, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)
The Political Unconscious, Chapter 1, section II on Frye: '... Frye's work comes before us as a virtual contemporary invention of the four-fold hermeneutic ...'; so he nearly equates the two, explaining that in the following pages.  Charles Matthews 12:05, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold and rewrite it, although I don't think that Jameson can be construed as an endorser of postmodernity in any sense (apart from considering it an authentic expression of the Zeitgeist, but the authenticity is also a notion to be critiqued). I'm barely active in this wiki nowadays. Best, Taragüí @ 20:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
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message: I'm not sure why "Category:Postmodern theory" was deleted from this article by User:Woland1234 on November 26, 2010: the very same user who added this category to the Jameson article on October 28, 2010!!??
Let's put this article back into the category "Postmodern theory". Surely putting Jameson  in this "category" is a helpful marker for readers. Surely it's not an "unreliable" marker! (??) Christian Roess (talk) 09:01, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Postmodern theory? 

message: I've removed 2 tags (OR and NPOV) and replaced them with  as there a) is no indication in the article of need and b) no reasoning actually given. Please take more care when tagging articles. If there is a neutrality issue explain in detail where that issue in the article text. Wide generalizations like reads like a hagiography is neither helpful nor specific--149.5.40.6 (talk) 18:27, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
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message: This article's section entitled "The critique of postmodernism" reads as follows: 
 
"Jameson here [the 1991 full-sized book Postmodernism, or, The Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism] viewed the postmodern "skepticism towards metanarratives" as a "mode of experience" stemming from the conditions of intellectual labor imposed by the late capitalist mode of production." 
 
In fact, Jameson refrains from fully embracing Lyotard's soundbite ("skepticism towards metanarratives"), and goes as far as actively distancing himself from it in the introduction (xi): 
 
"Achille Bonito-Oliva's version of postmodernism theory [...] seems to me a more interesting and plausible story than Lyotard's related one about the end of "master narratives" (eschatalogical schemata that were never really narratives in the first place, although I may also have been incautious enough to use the expression from time to time)." 
 
It seems to me that portions of this article may have been written by undergraduates paraphrasing lectures, rather than individuals who have actually read any critical and/or cultural theory. 
 
Either way, Lyotard's actual quote from The Postmodern Condition: A Report on Knowledge (1979, xxiv) reads as follows: "Simplifying to the extreme, I define postmodern as incredulity toward metanarratives." (Emphasis in the original.) 
 
Again, this is a much (mis)quoted citation. As Lyotard himself is quick to point out, this is an extreme simplification, to the point where it was not even included in the actual body of the text, but merely in its introduction. Undergraduates quote introductions because they rarely make it to the actual text itself; encyclopedias ought to be more thorough. Also, note that skepticism and incredulity are certainly close in meaning, but they are not exact synonyms. Metanarratives and master narratives, on the other hand, are regarded as synonymous in some quarters. 
 
In any case, connecting Jameson to Lyotard's statement seems foolish and inaccurate, to say the least. Oulipal (talk) 12:41, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "skepticism towards metanarratives"? 

message: An entire section dedicated to Jameson's influence in China seems to be out of balance with the rest of the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.137.216 (talk) 04:48, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  China? 

message: There is a conflict between sentences in this article concerning question who exactly coined term 'Ideologeme'. Question is seemed to be complicated to clarify, so compromise version is probably the best decision. 
On this ground this paragraph:
The term "ideologeme" was originally coined by Julia Kristeva. She defined it as "the intersection of a given textual arrangement...with the utterances... that it either assimilates into its own space or to which it refers in the space of exterior texts...".)Kristeva, Julia. "Desire in Language: A Semiotic Approach to Literature and Art". Ed. Leon S. Roudiez. Trans. Thomas Gora, Alice Jardine, and Leon S. Roudiez. New York: Columbia UP, 1980. pp. 2, 36. < this is incorrect for the term was actually used by Volosinov well before Kristeva http://books.google.com/books?id=fIPuRyFvDKIC&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=volosinov+ideologeme&source=bl&ots=Xk1O07neO6&sig=YI9vvQQkhvymIRhCWsTTTeFMQMY&hl=en#v=onepage&q=volosinov%20ideologeme&f=false
was transformed to this:
At the first time the term "ideologeme" was used by Valentin VoloshinovVolosinov V.Marxism and the Philosophy of Language. 1976. p. 33. Original edition - 1929. and then was popularised by Julia Kristeva. Kristeva defined it as "the intersection of a given textual arrangement...with the utterances... that it either assimilates into its own space or to which it refers in the space of exterior texts...".) Kristeva, Julia. "Desire in Language: A Semiotic Approach to Literature and Art". Ed. Leon S. Roudiez. Trans. Thomas Gora, Alice Jardine, and Leon S. Roudiez. New York: Columbia UP, 1980. pp. 2, 36.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Konstantin.V.Azarov (talk • contribs) 09:41, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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message: The article states that Jameson studied under Erich Auerbach at Yale, where he was awarded a PhD. I found a RS specifying the year, and I added that. I can't find anything, though, about what department awarded the degree, or even whether Auerbach was his formal dissertation advisor. I would assume the answers are comp lit and yes. According to WP, however, Auerbach was a professor of Romance philology, and Jameson's dissertation was about the use of style in the work of Sartre, a philosopher. So that makes it less obvious.
Anyone out there a better Internet sleuth than me?
Cheers, Patrick (talk) 22:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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