Talk:Surfin' U.S.A.

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Beach Boys - Surfin' USA.jpg

message: Is it appropriate to have his "auto"biography Wouldn't It Be Nice as a source so many times when he: a) had nothing to do with writing it, and b) was found to be slanderous/libelous in court? MookieZ 14:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than present potentially controversial passages derived solely from the book as if they were facts and footnote them, the article, when it references them, should state in its main text their derivation. Something like "According to Wouldn't It Be Nice?, this song was [whatever, etc.].TheScotch (talk) 07:37, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brian's Autobiography 

message: Can anyone confirm that the song is supposed to be referring to Sunset Beach in Hawaii and not Sunset Beach in Southern California off PCH between Warner and Seal Beach Blvd.? 72.129.0.10 (talk) 11:50, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sunset 

message: I've removed the listing for Carol Kaye and Billy Strange as having played on this song, as the AFM contract does not list them, and further David Marks has stated several times that neither of them played on this session. Kaye's claim to have played on the session is based purely on her own website, and Strange's because she says he did. It should be noted that Kaye has made several claims of playing on sessions where it can be proven that she didn't, both Beach Boys and other artists. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 19:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Who does the AFM contract list? It sounds to me as if you're saying it's Marks's word against Kaye's, and in that case (especially considering that Kaye indisputably did play on a fair number of Beach Boys recordings) it would be better for the article to remain neutral about the matter. TheScotch (talk) 07:27, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The AFM contract lists just The Beach Boys - the Wilson brothers, Mike Love and David Marks: no-one else. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 11:10, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Other claims to have played on this session

message: The information in the 'Songwriting credit disputes' section seems to be terribly one-sided.  It is heavily based on Brian Wilson's autobiography and I would say that it implies that Chuck Berry has a questionable claim and that he was only given a songwriting credit to placate him.  The words "after the song became a hit" also seem to suggest that Chuck Berry was jumping on the bandwagon or something.  As I understand it, there was some sort of litigation and Berry came out of it with the songwriting credit.  Can this section be rewritten to sound a little more balanced please?  I don't know enough about it to do it myself. EttaLove (talk) 02:06, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to http://rockhall.com/inductees/chuck-berry/timeline/, Berry sued and got "a co-writing credit".  According to http://www.lyricsfreak.com/c/chuck+berry/biography.html, the song "is credited as Berry-Wilson".  Given this, we need to remove or qualify the claim that Berry now gets sole credit. DougHill (talk) 23:17, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Chuck Berry is obviously not the sole composer of this song. The copyright is owned by Arc Music and the registration shows music by Chuck Berry and words by Arc Music, employer for hire of Brian Wilson. Piriczki (talk) 15:50, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: One-sided

message: BOTH Berry and Wilson owe a great deal to T'as vole mon chapeau by the Breaux Freres. I came here after listening to this song (recorded 3rd December 1935, San Antonio, Texas), because the tune (and parts of the arrangement) are almost identical to Surfin' USA. To me, Berry's number 'Sweet Little Sixteen' is much further away from the Breaux Frere's song, and If I were a betting man, I would bet my hat that Berry heard this as a kid, and the tune stuck somewhere in the back of his mind. The arrangement of Surfin USA is so close to the Breaux Freres' version that I cannot believe that Wilson didn't actually use it as a template for his version. What I find astonishing, is that in the court case, no-one seemed to have noticed this!
In addition, none of this sticks in Wikipedia, because, try as I may, I can't find a source anywhere to say that either of these versions was based on the Breaux Freres song, and so all of this counts as OR - which is a pity, because clearly both Berry and Wilson owe a debt to the Cajun origins of their respective songs.--86.133.77.27 (talk) 14:32, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I can much more easily believe that Chuck Berry heard an old obscure Cajun recording in the Midwest in the late 50s than that Brian Wilson did in southern California int the early 60s. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 10:36, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Precursors to the song 

message: I've removed the reference to a US EP issued a month after the single, as implied by the text, because there wasn't one. The only EP released by the band in the 60s was Four By The Beach Boys in 1964. Andrew G. Doe (talk) 09:51, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  No US EP 

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: CALIFORNIA DREAMING, THE GOLDEN STATE'S RHETORICAL APPEALS