Talk:Arnold Schwarzenegger/Archive 1

message: Imho, it's correct to say he has an "Austrian" accent.  Kind of similar to saying someone has a "British" vs. an "American" or even a "Southern" accent.  It's not strictly by name of language, it's by nationality or region.  Well, the comparison isn't quite right, since he is speaking a foreign language, but hey. --Arnoldlover 02:11, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: accent

message: Saying his father was a "Gendarmerie-Kommandant" it's not really correctly translated to call him a "policeman", but rather the boss of a police-station. I know, that's quite a minor point, but nevertheless my first contribution.
*Not all of us know what "Gendarmerie-Kommandant" means.  Would you mind adding what that would mean in this article? Thanks. Revth 06:57, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Policeman

message: Although many people have accused True Lies of being somewhat misogynistic, there are many people, myself included, who think it's one of his best films.  The film is clearly intended NOT to be taken seriously.
--John Knouse
:And it's a remake of a French movie.Hektor 14:54, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: ''True Lies'' a good flick

message: I didn't know what to do with the following: "A number of unsavoury rumours appear to have have kiboshed his nascent political ambitions which once seemed to reach as high as you could go."  What nascent political ambitions?  What rumors? --LMS
:What nascent political ambitions? He was considering a run for Governor of California.
:What rumors? That he was a womanizer and had emotionally abused his wife
:Here's the story: www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a9c08d556f1.htm
:The rumors were scurrilous and politically motivated and have no place in an encyclopedia except possibly under the heading propaganda. --MemoryHole.com
I can't believe that anyone quotes the New republic and anything that it prints. The only people who don't likee Arnold are those who would love to see socialism here in the USA. The difference is that in Europe, the socialists have found ways to eliminate grass roots movements, such as abolishing referendums. Socialists are fascists in sheeps clothes. Go to europe and try voicing your opinion. They have it so great. Yeah right...--Tomtom 21:26, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I live in Europe and i can attest to this. It is true. Socialists now have full control. Anyone who disagrees is immidiately pushed aside of politics and ideas with all kinds of epiteths, this when any non-socialist candidate isn't right down shot in the head, harassed by the EU till resigning, or like Teo Van Gogh outright stabbed to death and decapitated by immigrants. Discussion is not possible, the secret polices of many European countries now set up honeytraps for non-socialists and monitor them. The EU parlament has been trying to pass so "anti-Hate" laws which are nothing but censorship. In Belgium the most voted party was already banned, i live was born and live here and to be fully honest democracy is merely a mirage. To make it all worse the government funded TV's are seriously socialist and unionnised, they fully control public discussion. 85.138.0.158 23:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Do you have a point or are you just spreading FUD? Please be specific in your accusations if you want to be taken seriously.  I do agree with memoryhole that rumors don't belong here (unless they have a non-rumor effect, I guess). User:Arnoldlover
I partially argee with Tomtom on the socialist issue. The trouble is that much of our problems in politics of the free western world are due to the fact that complete Fundamental Socialism and complete Fundamental Capitalism both support the same dangers of totalitarianism. The only difference is who would enforce it, Corporations or Government. The utopia we should strive for is a compromise which above all fights all blatent lies and conspiracy from influencing the public or defining justice. 
This fight against Arnold should be recorded with complete quotes from both arguments and references to more sources that explain the ones which are true or false, and why they are such. Please, place it under "propaganda and controvercial arguments" but above all, please do not withold it from the system. I came looking for information here of what people were talking about when they said arnold stole 2 million from education. I'm sure that it's all lies but the problem is that here at Saddleback College in California, the college students who run the political clubs are quite convinced, even when they too do not know anything more about it then the accusation itself. I'm forced to dig into these fools much too personally for being too lazy and irresponcible to read the propositions themselves before they make rallies against the governor. I need all the information that I can pull in order to convince them of their own mistakes. I came to wikipedia before to read prop 74 for myself and it was great. I found the official arguments which quoted the democratic students verbatum, still without good reasoning. Then I found the proposition from there myself and I was suprised to find that it's only a page long with only two paragraphs worth of changes, all making perfect sence in themselves. Nothing required an expert to understand and it was proven to me by reading it that the democratic party was clearly blatently lying. One more point, I din't have time to look at any others and it turs out that I was against the proposition despite it's good intentions. I merely believe that there are more important issues in education to deal with before we attack bad teachers. Still, in my opinion, the blatency of the lies spread on Arnold, which completely ignored constuctive criticism against the propositions themselves, should be punishable. Please do not forget their lies and propoganda so that it may be recorded by those who will bring an end to such political offences in the future. 01:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Rumors

message: For fans of big stupid fun movies, check out Hercules in New York.  It comes on TBS periodically, and is emphatically bad.  :-)  --KQ
:I added a link there if anyone wants to check. Ellsworth 21:14, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Hercules in New York''

message: I know this is asking much, but does someone have Robert Altmans The Long Goodbye on convenient media. There is a bodyguard in the film (an unspeaking part) whom Elliott Gould as Philip Marlowe forces to undress (at gunpoint) with his mate. If I am not misremembering, he looked uncannily like the young Arnie. As always, there is a good chance I am talking through an undiscovered ventilation hole under my headware. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick
* According to IMDb he was "One of Augustine's hoods " in The Long Goodbye(1973) although it was uncredited. M123 16:57, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: About Arnies first appearance

message: Those of you working on this article might want to incorporate aspects of the following news item: []. 205.155.15.1 17:26, 6 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Enron

message: Recently the Sydney Morning Herald unearthed a quote from Mr Swarzenegger from 1975, in which he stated he admires Hitler, on the grounds that he was a little man who rose from nothing to be somebody. Political naivete of course, but in the light of the recent election, maybe worth mentioning in the article if the original source and quote can be found. GRAHAMUK 12:12, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Last I heard, the original quote couldn't be found, so it was relegated to a rumor to discredit Schwarzenegger. I guess it could be lumped into a section citing all the things that arose to discredit him at the last minute (such as the groping, the gang-bangs, etc.). —Frecklefoot 17:13, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Hitler Fan

message: Do we really need Arnold's nickname, "Arnie", in the first sentence of this page? George W. Bush's page doesn't say "George 'Dubya' W. Bush" the first time he is referred to. -- Mattworld 21:03, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: No. ThereIsNoSteve 21:06, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahnold and the Governator are common.  Arnie isn't.  Hadn't heard of "Conan the Republican" till it was removed because it has "less than 1000 google hits".  Oddly, google tells me there are 1860. Arnoldlover 02:08, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname in title 

message: Surely Arnold is far behind, say, Dolly Parton, or at least behind silicon-enhanced-porn-stars in the chest department? Who certified him as "world's largest chest" and is it not at least sex-specific??? -- Someone else 03:14, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: This guy has him beat , and also if the award were "largest muscular chest" numerous others would also surpass him. Maximus Rex 03:21, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: OMG! Yes, it did seem somehow wrong, though I would not have thought of Robert Earl Hughes as a competitor!!!! I don't think Schwarzenegger was particularly noted for having a large chest among bodybuilders. -- Someone else 03:25, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: In bodybuilding competition, Schwarzenegger was noted for his arms rather than his chest, IIRC. If anyone from his era could lay claim to the title of 'best chest', it would probably be Mike Katz. Slideyfoot 11:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Arnold never had the world's largest chest, or the world's largest musclular chest - I don't know were anyone would have got that idea from. Even among his fellow bodybuilder's he wasn't the biggest - but bodybuilding isn't just about being the biggest. - Matthew238 02:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for qualifiers of "World's Largest Chest"

message: I put back the links to the Los Angeles Times stories about allegations of sexual harassment, which were removed by another user. The LA Times is a leading newspaper, and the sexual harassment allegations were one of the most contentious issues in his campaign for governor. Many people have formed opinions about the Times' reporting on Schwarzenegger without having actually read it. I think including them is appropriate, and I don't know why they were deleted. If someone thinks they present a one-sided POV, the solution should be to offer a countering report, not to delete these.
The LA Times is only a leading newspaper in LA, no one else cares what they have to say. The hve become legends in their own minds. All have been debunked and since retracted. Check it out. Another Hail Mary by the left to stay in power. Sorry folks.--68.80.223.233 13:07, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Los Angeles Times links 

message: I doubt the last added statement is NPOV.  His comment WAS received well by many, and simply saying that it wasn't is not NPOV.  I thought it was funny and many political correspondents shrugged it off as "so he has a sense of humor, so what?". -- Alterego
:I removed the previous sentence because that one seemed NPOV to me.  It seemed to have this "he's doomed" tone to it, and how do we know what's going to happen?  However, even though personally I think 81.63.57.97 10:57, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be fine with changing it to "some", but you can't discuss the remark without discussing who it actually offended.  That's why it's newsworthy to begin with --the number of people who got ticked.  Gay advocacy groups, as well as women's groups and Democratic higher-ups in California, have gotten very worked up over this one.  It was a lead story on most opinion programs this week, and most of the coverage I've come across (including on NPR, in the AP, and in the SFChronicle) used the word "many".  I didn't feel that I was being NPOV; I felt (and feel) that I was reflecting the story itself. Beginning 19:27, Jul 22, 2004 (UTC)
*Outside of CA, esp San Francisca, LA and Sacremento, and other places on the left coast, who really cared about his remark? Let the arrows fall. We laughed about it at the Convention. So what.--Tomtom 21:33, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  girlie men 

message: I'd personally like to see more of his own words as well as some of his classic shoot-em movie one-liners...http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Terminator [anonymous, unattributed]
The entire "Quotes" section right now is from his 2004 RNC speech. It's too lengthy; a link to the speech (on wikisources, if folks saw it fitting there, or another static site) would be better. 64.229.39.247 20:44, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: quotes

message: a minor edit on the wording. the article implied 'arnolds' is a commonly used slang term. roids/gear/juice are by far and away more commonly used. also i dropped illicit from 'illicit steroid'. steroids are perfectly legal to posses/use in many countries in the european union and even available over the counter at pharmacies in some countries.
define illicit:
Refers to drugs themselves. All illegal drugs are illicit, but alcohol and tobacco may be either licit or illicit, depending on whether they are used legally or illegally. Weightshead 18:14, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  steroid slang 

message: I removed this from the political affiliation section: "It has often been pointed out that there is one major flaw in this seemingly perfect story; Nixon and Humphrey never debated."  If you read the quote in that section, he says he heard Nixon and Humphrey's press conferences, not a debate. GoCardinal 06:09, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Schwarzenegger and Nixon/Humphrey

message: If someone has the time, add to this article info about Gigi Goyette. Kingturtle 23:13, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gigi Goyette 

message: before i start adding things that im unsure about i wnated to check if this is common consensus:
He admit's to doing drugs, attending orgies, taking steroids, and the like
he claims that he did not Sexually harass two of the women who claim he did
he claims that he will/would take legal action against them if their allegations were not removed
all this is good for his image because people feel that even though he did all these things, they feel that they can trust him to tell the truth as an "Honest Politician"
:Your first three items are generally acknowledged, I believe. I don't know about the legal action. Your final conclusion is your own, and I don't think anyone would agree with it. We're here to summarize what others have said and done, not to draw our own conclusions. (see: no original research) Please sign and date your talk page entries by typing four tildes (~) at the end. Thanks, -Willmcw 18:42, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Herr Gröpenführer 

message: Out of curriousity I thought I would make a list of all the things that automatically redirect to Arnold Schwarzenegger:
* Governator
* Gov. Schwarzenegger
* Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger
* Schwarzenneger
* Schwarzenegger
* Schwarzeneggar
* Arnold Schwartzenegger
* Arnold A. Schwarzenegger
* Arnold Strong
* Ahnuld
* The Governator
* Ahnold
* Arnold Schwarzanegger
* Arnold Schwarznegger
* Arnold Swarzenegger
* Schwarzenegger, Arnold Alois
* Herr Gropenfuhrer
* Arnold S
* The Austrian Oak
* Arnold Schwarzeneggar
and added a few myself
* Governor Schwarzenegger
* Governor Arnold
* Wigner quasi-probability distribution
I heard that his official website had a number of different domain names that linked to it, to take account of all the mispellings of his surname. - Matthew238 04:37, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirects

message: "It has been suggested that the name of the stadium be changed in remembrance of Tookie Williams.  Tookie Williams was executed on December 13, 2005 in California after Arnold denied him clemency." I removed this from an edit by 172.146.129.65  - please say who suggested it.  The information would probably be best put in elsewhere in the article, with the rest of the Tookie controversy. Paulleake 22:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, so some in Austria want to honor the murderer Tookie Williams. How utterly in character. But why Tookie? Have they already named a stadium for their other national murderer, Adolf Hitler? Excuse me, but European claims of moral virginity repel me. -- Cecropia 03:24, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If Cecropia claims that "some in Austria" claim "moral virginity" then s/he should restrict her/his last statement to such Austrians, not "Europeans". Why should the Finns, Cypriots, and Irish, for example, get charged with hyprocrisy because of a local issue in a different country hundreds of miles away? Denvoran 00:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: On behalf of that stadium's name: have some patience. That it should become something in remembrance of above named convict is highly  unlikely (meant rather as a joke!?). Newspapers say it might become the name of a regional sponsor (which seams likely to me) due to lack of creativity, virtue or suitable options or just plain prospect of beneficial financial support. Nevertheless Arnold IS a big issue in Austria at the moment in public where it comes to the question of how to refert to an Austrian offspring and celebrity who is now a politician with a rather Californian Republican attitude than Austrian, especially when this does not comply with general European standards of human rights (see: death penalty). Maybe I go hike there and take a look tomorrow.Mogwai22 00:40, 27 December 2005 (CET)
I changed the wording of the part where it said he approved the execution of Tookie. This is not true, he did not approve the execution, he just refused to personally grant clemency, which he left up to the courts. I am aware the Austrians are claiming he approved the execution, but they are incorrect. --SodiumBenzoate 20:31, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tookie Stadium

message: (Excuse the pov heading title) This should be included somewhere in the article. freestylefrappe 05:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Governator violates free speech with ridiculous law

message: "Schwarzenegger .... describes himself as fiscally conservative "  
On the other hand, he recently proposed a "$223bn (£127bn) public works programme to improve schools and infrastructure" 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4586572.stm
Does this represent a change in his position on spending? -- 200.141.105.210 16:16, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it does.  He hasn't raised taxes and is generally pro business.  You also have to consider the general representation of California.  Most of the legislature is made up of Democrats.  It would be harder for any fiscal conservative to successfully cut the size of government in a state like California and still get reelected.  Take a look at his speech at the GOP presidential convention in 2004. In the speech  he's quoted as saying  "If you believe that your family knows how to spend your money better than the government does, then you are a Republican."  Thorburn 00:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fiscally conservative cf. new infrastructure spending

message: Is there a particular reason why the table must be organized from his oldest movies first continuing to his most recent?  Is this a Wikipedia standard, or is it just a preference of the user?  I need information about this since I have done this format to the filmography for several actors/actresses. --Nehrams2020 15:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why does Filmography have to be organized this way?

message: I have to question the recent edits made by User:Maciste as I think perhaps they may be POV. From 1997 I believe that Arnold change focus from motion pictures to running for political power and thus it wasn't a decline in his acting career but instead a personal choice. To say films like Terminator 3, Collateral Damage, 6th Day and the like were a "decline" is a very personal view. What do other people think? Enigmatical 01:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits by Maciste 

message: We need a picture at the top of the article. --Folksong 07:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need a picture 

message: That comment seems a little biased. I'm new to this, so I'll feel more comfortable if someone else takes it off, since it doesn't seem appropriate there. Eggos 04:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racist towards Asians? 

message: In the personal backround paragraph i think we need a mention of his birthdate.
If anyone replies please leave me a message because I don't think I'll look at this page for a while. JJ 06:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthdate

message: looks like this article is getting vandalised again, maybe it should be semi-protected again? Gryffindor 16:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would certainly support that proposal. It is getting a little excessive. Road Wizard 14:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  protect page?