Talk:Irma Grese/Archive 2

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://www.auschwitz.dk/Women/Bormann.htm
://www.auschwitz.dk/Women/Mandel.htm
://www.auschwitz.dk/Women/Bothe.htm
 
::I'd just like to point out that the cwporter.com link leads to a anti-jewish nutter conspiracy hate site. The greencastle.k12.pa.us link is to a schoolgirl that seems to have made a quilt (blanket) commemorating Nazi women (very odd, not encyclopedic). Justiceatdachau.com, although an interesting book is about Dachau and Buchenwald prosecutions (nothing to do with Irma Grese). People seem to mix up Ilse Koch (The Bitch of Buchenwald) with Irma Grese. The wikipedia link is to... here. --Eqdoktor 06:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Intresting inks

message: The Neo-Nazis are at it again, massaging the article and trying to promote this depraved individual into some kind of glorious and victimized Aryan milkmaid.  We'll have to keep an eye on this -- either that or have the article protected in some reasonably neutral form.  I'd hate to have some innocent kid stumble across it in its current form and assume it's for real.
Irma Grese was never SS, because the SS never allowed women. How anyone can believe the crap about her skinning Jews is beyond the pale. She was a simple farm girl that worked at a camp, she was paid by German labor dept.
She was a sadistic guard and liked to beat people with her wip, but did not have Ilsa Koch's type 'skin lampshades' in her office.
--Lilidor 06:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neo-Nazis Again Pushing Their Pseudo-Heroine 

message: This girl was a 19 yr old postal clerk, who took roll call. You need to be a total idiot to think she skinned three jews alive.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.12.194.210 (talk) 04:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What total nonsense 

message: According the memoires of Pierrepoint, as placed at , his version differs slightly from what is mentioned in the article. I will change it.Jeff5102 (talk) 19:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pierrepoint's memoires

message: Page 66 of the Law Reports of Trials of War Criminals By United Nations War Crimes Commission (cited in footnotes) says that she was underage at the time of the offences...how exactly does that work? Do we have her birthdate wrong? Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  21:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The entirety of Page 66 concerns Helena Kopper, not Irma Grese. I can't find any reference to either of these people being referred to as "underage", though; in fact, the word "underage" doesn't seem to appear in this document at all. I've reread the section about Grese (including the closing statement by Grese's attorney) and I can't find any such reference regardless of the specific terms used. Could you be more specific as to where it is? Merenta (talk) 15:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The footnote on the page, not the page itself, my apologies. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  01:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Age

message: The articel may have left some stuff out.--86.25.7.123 (talk) 09:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: General factual accuracy

message: I guess the editors must have agreed about " the lice ridden " part. Is the complete record of an article available - original, edits ( each ) etc? It would be interesting to compare how goofy an article gets ( from both sides - I doubt the dreaded trolls,etc can match the "official" edits in most cases. Anyhow, per Miss Grese, tracing down each account ( head of 30,000, etc )should prove amusing - I believe most of these accounts rely on a surprisingly smaal number of "eyewitnesses" who often get things a little out of whack. I just came from a site by cwporter ( I know an unreliable source but reading him seems to flesh this story out a bit. One witness - Abraham Gl***** - seems to be a/the source for some of the good stuff about Miss Grese. I will try to chase him down. 159.105.80.80 15:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The use of the phraze "lice ridden..."

message: Abraham Glinowieski, seems to be a major witness against several defendants. Some of hid testimony seems questionable, but he was the witness du jour. Abe had Miss Grese performing tasks that appeared well above her pay grade (ie a teenager was selecting who was to be killed - a doctors only job, of course if there ever was such a job.) Reading the trial transcript, or available parts seems to raise more questions than it answeres.159.105.80.80 17:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Factual accuracy

message: I found this at Amazon: The Blonde Beast of Birkenau and Belsen: The Life and Crimes of Irma Grese.  It's short, only 27 pages, and was published on November 23, 2013, in Kindle form.  I have absolutely no interest in reading this book but maybe someone else can use it to add information to the entry. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 02:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Book 

message: I　ｈａｖｅ　ｒｅｃｅｎｔｌｙ read another source regarding Irma Grese http://www.scrapbookpages.com/bergenbelsen/BergenBelsen09.html that she might be innocent and victimized as a nazi sadist by the allied force for exaggerating the sadism inside concentration camp.
It was noted that there were no evidence of the inmates she had killed, nor is there any proof that she did any selection or dog biting. It seems that the court had pre-disposition of ruling them guilty in mind prior to trials. It's very hard to hide your crime in a camp with 30000 inmates becoz anyone could pin-point at what you have exactly done, but the testimonies that some *witness* gave were so ambiguous and the rest inmates insisted that she didn't commit any serious crimes.
It's highly suspicious that she committed any serious crimes, a few whipping maybe, as she admitted, which was understandable in a prison environment. I had internal feeling that she might had be a victim of demonizing any persons involving in the concentration camp by the occupied allie force for propaganda purpose.
One more doubt that chimes inside my head is that, if she really committed any serious war crime, why did she remain at the camp and not fleeing or commit suicide? Those Nazi criminals had been flew away long before the allied forces had arrived... I had feeling that this girl was innocent given the supportive documents.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.236.46 (talk) 07:15, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Information coming from scrapbookpages.com has no credibility at all, as its author isn't an historian but a guy like you and me, and as the website is a revisionist website (see the blog related to the website, you'll understand rapidly what kind of website it is) on which, like on many revisionist websites, you'll find a mix of true and of false information, providing the very personal opinion of its author... 78.250.109.249 (talk) 13:31, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: innocent/ guilty

message: I read this article for research a few months ago and whilst the early parts appear the same, most of the latter half appears to have been substantially re-edited in her favour, as well as certain other statements (eg. the executioner's suicide) which didn't appear in the earlier article at all. It is also interesting that none of this supposedly verifiable information is referenced in any way.
DG, Leeds, UK
I've added 3  tags to the dogy bits on her love life. --Homer slips. 03:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Found meanwhile the correct date of conviction in a German document  and changed it.--Kauko56 23:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. However little in this article is balanced. The only references to her alleged crimes is an account from someone who is unashamedly biased. There is no reference to what she was actually charged with or convicted of.Royalcourtier (talk) 03:05, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

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