Talk:Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky

message: In the absence of significant pushback, here is the version I'm going to implement (see page, removed for inclusion count reasons)). Feel free to register your concerns/complaints/tweaks here. As I am extremely new to infoboxes in general (and not well versed in their usage), I beg your patience with any technical or conventional errors! I am not quite sure how to implement the cyrillic name, so I put it under the "native_name" parameter from :Template:Infobox person. We could also use "birth_name" as I had in this diff. I used the cyrillic from This UC Santa Barbara page but I am open to whatever and whichever cyrillic format/script/parameter usage has consensus.— Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 13:15, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: When you implement it, please remove it here, or the inclusion count gets wrong. We may consider saying occupation, which was not only composer, but also a conductor, and director of the Moscow branch of the Russian Musical Society. - I find his signature interesting, regarding the question of how to render his name in English. I added the Russian language (template) to his native name. I made the country where he was born Russian Empire, as in the article. I also reduced the "shouting" in the attention message. It will always be just one editor reading it ;) - I suggest to drop in the message "Your changes to this infobox may be immediately reverted if they have not received consensus." - We could - slowly, slowly - get into a habit of treating infoboxes just like other content: it's just normal to face a revert for a bold edit, and then discuss and find consensus. My goal for 2023. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:02, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent edits, thank you, I went ahead and removed that sentence from the commented-out notice because I completely agree. We need to ratchet down the tension about infoboxes and just treat them in general like any other aspect of the page, and BRD isn't specific to them, lol! — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 16:58, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

text: This works for me. Hopefully the recent progress on this article and a few others will start limiting the RfCs we see on this issue. Finding a path forward is more productive than the sometimes contentious nature of this topic in the past. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 14:21, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Fine with me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:02, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Good to know, thank you! — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 18:01, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus infobox version for implementation 

message: Why does the article have his name as Tchaikovsky when the Russian spelling starts with Ч? Very clearly it should be Chaikovsky.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LarsMarius (talk • contribs) 23:03, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:COMMONNAME. Sometimes it is romanized as "tch", in some languages it is the case. Mellk (talk) 23:29, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact I would say that the romanisation is virtually always "tch..."; I have never seen the composer's name spelt Chaikovsky in any English language publication. Sbishop (talk) 08:21, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you read more widely, e.g. The Joy of Music. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:31, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

text: I meant in general for the letter "ч", but in this case it is often "tch". Mellk (talk) 12:11, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant that Bernstein consistently uses "Chaikovsky", and he's not alone. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:35, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

text: Maybe alternative romanizations could be placed in an EFN? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 02:05, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's a great idea. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 17:10, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  English name 

message: I wanted to add a wikilink to this article, but found that it is locked from editing. Please fix this ridiculous situation! 173.88.246.138 (talk) 01:05, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Due to persistent vandalism the page is semi-protected and can be edited only by auto-confirmed users. You can become one, but in the meantime if you state here which wikilink you want inserted, another user can add it if appropriate. Sbishop (talk) 06:45, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  you could become an autoconfirmed user if you create an account and made 10 edits after 4 days. QiuLiming1 (talk) 21:58, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Subscript 213.3.38.108 (talk) 08:16, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was not able to edit this page 

message: The wording of this section suggests that Tchiakovsky’s letters penned after Bob’s suicide were revealing. Tchaikovsky in fact died nearly 20 years before the suicide of Bob. 2604:3D09:1887:B000:4141:EB9:FAF1:6BBF (talk) 17:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship with Bob