Talk:Waterfalls of the Havasupai Indian Reservation

message: I would like to remove the vandalism at the beginning of the article, but don't see it when I go to edit. Someone please help. Jimaginator 17:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what you're referring to. What vandalism? -- Moondigger 17:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, I found what you're referring to, three versions back.  It has already been removed.  If you're not seeing the updated page, clear your page cache. -- Moondigger 17:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bestest Falls 

message: I don't like this line: "Tribal members are not talkative and are not tour guides." Unsourced blanket generalizations shouldn't be used in an encyclopedia article.  Besides, "talkative" is subjective.  I found some of the tribal members to be friendly and talkative when they initiated conversation with my family and me.
I realize the intent of the line is to discourage "annoying tourist" behavior, so people visiting Supai after reading this article don't assume the townspeople are all there to serve their needs.  But we should come up with a better way to put across the same idea.  Moondigger 18:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that text (and an alarming amount of the text of this article in general) is verbatim from http://www.kaibab.org/gc/supai/gc_supai.htm, which is included in the External Links. (Looking at the article's history and variety of contributions, this is a little puzzling.) Dfrauzel 20:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's actually verbatim copy from the other site, it's a copyvio and should be blanked until somebody has a chance to rewrite it.  I'm just about to head out the door, so can't mess with it right now or take the time to figure out what passages are copyvio and what aren't. -- Moondigger 20:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I'm fuzzy about the Wiki copyvio practices, I'm taking no action, but here's the verbage from the bottom of the noted external page: "Copyright © Bob Ribokas, 1994-2006, all rights reserved. This publication and its text and photos may not be copied for commercial use without the express written permission of Bob Ribokas." I'm sure Wiki doesn't qualify for commercial use, but perhaps we should do either or both of: a) significantly reword the article, b) get in touch with Bob Ribokas and open discussion of the re-use of the text. I think (a) is more appropriate, as (b) does not seem to promulgate NPOV. Dfrauzel 21:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Wiki and related entities (Wikimedia commons, etc) require free commercial licensing of text and media (pictures, sounds, etc).  So any text copied from that site is a blatant copyvio.  I'm not sure exactly what should be done in this case; I believe Admins can blank a page and history for blatant copyvios, but I don't know who to contact or what to do.  I'll try adding a tag to the page. -- Moondigger 23:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the copied lines that I was able to detect.  If I missed any, anyone who spots them should feel free to remove them. In cases like this, where the copyvio is a few lines scattered around the article, (which, in this case, were in from the very beginning, making a history delete impossible) our standard policy is to just remove the material and leave it in the history, unless the copyright holder complains. --RobthTalk 03:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tribal members are not talkative..." 

message: I just totally redid the Havasupai page and pretty much all of the info from this page is on that one.  So this page either needs to be deleted or merged. Josh Matthews 07:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs to be merged with Havasupai