Talk:Al-Dawayima massacre

message: I removed the sentence accusing the Irgun and Lehi of war crimes because they were never accused (much less convicted) of war crimes in any court of law, in Israel or outside it. Gadykozma 18:35, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree the first sentence claiming that it was Irgun and Stern members is very dubious. Could there be a place for mentioning that the 89th was set up by Moshe Dayan, though he was no longer their commander? Padres Hana (talk) 14:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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message: again using benny morris as a source for everything is questionable, since he himself have retracted many of his claims in recent years. This article really has very little in it. Amoruso
::Reverted. Please don't slap tags on multiple pages the way you just did. Instead, you should bring arguments specific to the article and the cites to back it up. See WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NPOV. Your changes turns up on the NPOV backlog and other backlogs -- Steve Hart 01:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Huldra pointed me this way.  The first error I see is in the Benny Morris cite 4 where Benny Morris says that "hundreds were massacred" supposedly on page 333.  He does not say this.  The only reference to a "massacre" is when he says is "United Nations investigatores were unable to find evidence of a massacre..."  He does not confirm any number, though it could be argued he accepts the number "dozens."'  He quotes one investigator who gives the numbers 80 in battle and 22 "afterwards".  He accuses the Arabs of exaggeration: "Arab reports, which reached U.N. observers, exaggerated, speaking of "500" or even "1000" victims. 172.130.5.58 (talk) 02:55, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Benny Morris explicitly clarified that "hundreds" were killed at Dawayima, in his Ha'aretz interview, reproduced in Counterpunch here http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/01/16/an-interview-with-benny-morris/. He ranks it as having one of the highest body counts of all 1948's massacres, along with Lod and Deir Yassin.Yochananyahya (talk) 13:45, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
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message: I can't think of any reasons for the proposed merge, I would be interested in seeing the rationale of the proposing editor. Dlv999 (talk) 07:58, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I also disagree with a merger. Operation Yoav was a far more extensive military offensive that affected dozens of towns and villages. This was a well-known massacre that claimed dozens of civilians in one of those towns during the operation. Brewcrewer needs to start a thread here anyway, or the merge proposal should be removed. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:03, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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message: As far as the revert of the banned editor's sock, and to explain my edit summary, that editor wrote, in his edit summary, that he was soften[ing] claim, per morris. He did this by changing whose core clan, the Ahdibs, traced their origins to the Muslim conquest of Palestine in the seventh century. to whose core clan, the Ahdibs, claimed ancestry dating back to the Muslim conquest of Palestine in the seventh century. What Morris actually says is:Hundreds of the refugees who made their way up the hills toward Hebron were from al Dawayima, a large village whose core clan, the Ahdibs, traced their origins to the Muslim conquest and settlement of Palestine in the seventh century.So before any user restores the edit of the banned editor, taking responsibility for that edit, please be aware that it is a complete fabrication that Morris does not fully back the material as it had been. The close paraphrase should be corrected, and I'll attempt to do that now. But Morris does not say this is a claimed ancestry. nableezy - 04:26, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
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message: The letter quoted by Haaretz contains an anonymous (Who is "Sh. (possibly Shabtai) Kaplan"?) secondhand recounting of an anonymous eyewitness repeating mostly hearsay (having arrived the day after the massacre took place). It was also lost before the article was written.
As for the Mukhtar's account - it wasn't taken by the "UN team," but by an unnamed secretary of "The Arab Refugee Congress of Ramallah" who submitted it to the Technical Committee of the UN Conciliation Commission for Palestine, apparently in June 1949. His report states there were 4,000 refugees in the village and only 2,000 locals, while the 1945 Village Statistics found 3,710 residents in Ed-Dawayima.
Kind regards --213.57.230.186 (talk) 07:04, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
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