Talk:In a Grove

message: I have a source for the Ambrose Bierce influence, but I don't have my notes with me right now. Please be patient.  Jb05-zpt
http://www.ambrosebierce.org/journal2griffin.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.135.220 (talk) 02:38, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
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message: "The story is often praised as being among the greatest in Japanese literature."
- Western or Eastern Influences, Japanese, both or overall? Make it clear because the movie Rashomon didn't have consistent feedback from both countries.--Hitsuji Kinno 21:10, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
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Akutagawa's influences for this story may have come from several different sources:
     
* A story from the classic Japanese collection "Konjaku Monogatarishū": In the 23rd story of the 29th volume—"The Tale Of The Bound Man Who Was Accompanying His Wife to Tanba"—a man is tied to a tree in a bamboo grove and forced to watch helplessly as his wife gets raped by a young thief, who has stolen all of their belongings
     
* "The Moonlit Road" by Ambrose Bierce: a short story about the murder of a woman, as told by her husband and herself (through a medium), and introduced by their son
     
* "The Ring and the Book" by Robert Browning, a narrative poem based on the true story about a murder told 12 different ways
 
In Japan, hundreds of theses have been written (and debated) searching for the "truth" behind the story, but have, of course, reached no conclusion.
 * Ling.Nut (WP:3IAR) 12:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: The average user of the English Wikipedia speaks no Japanese, so when comparing the original text to translation, we can't expect people to check for themselves.  Thus, I think it's important to provide citations for that part of the article.  Anyone have any sources? --Unknownwarrior33 (talk) 06:00, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations? 

message: Can anyone include a summary of where, most probably, did the main weapons end up? I refer to these three weapons: Takehiro's sword, Tajomaru's sword, and Masago's knife.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.1.53.3 (talk) 14:04, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weapons 

message: My translation uses the R spelling, but I see there's also a K spelling. Which should we use here? Aristophanes68 (talk) 03:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Takehiko or Takehiro? 

message: It appears that the "Translation notes" section may be mostly original research.  Although it does mention a different translation by a "Jay Rubin", it doesn't offer anything, either by way of prose or of citations, to indicate who Jay Rubin is and why he is an authority.  Further, even if one assumes that Mr. Rubin a legitimate authority, whoever he is, it's still not clear whether his work supports only the use of an alternate translation, or actually supports the entirety of this section's detailed analysis as to exactly what is wrong with the first translation.  64.124.27.3 (talk) 00:39, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I found "It seems unlikely that Masago would fail at suicide so many times, particularly considering the first method she supposedly tried: driving her dagger into her neck" a particularly egregious bit of OR.  Why should all would-be suicides find it equally easy?  Vaughan Pratt (talk) 16:37, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
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