Talk:French language in Canada

message: No mention of the attitude of French speakers in France (particularly Paris) towards Canadian French ?  I remember my wife being rather upset about the reception that her Montreal French received when we visited Paris in the late 1980s. She finally left the communication to me. My schoolboy French wasn't that great but at least it was acknowledged. Is that a general attitude or was she just unlucky ? -- Derek Ross |  Talk 15:34, 2005 Jan 27 (UTC)
: French peoples I have met (I'm from the east-end of montreal) have had reaction ranging from saying "I love you're accent" all the way to "what ? I can't understand a word you're saying !". In term of generality, I usualy get worst reaction from parisian then others and from older people then younger. However, because there is a bigger penetration of quebec culture in the francophony now then 20 years ago, people are bit more used to our speach pattern. In the end, as anything else, the reaction you get depend on who you speak to. --Marc pasquin 19:54, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  C'est ici: Francophones in Canada (pdf file) Dubhdara 16:12, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Early discussions

message: Hey folks! I've written a lot on this page today so don't forget to read the stuff above.
I've used the term "national language" before and it's helped a lot for reorganizing the English dialect box/page (TBA). When we apply it to this article (Canadian French), it doesn't work. Think: Canadian French = the national language vs. official language. It does, however, describe Quebec French appropriately.
Oh, and we have to do something about getting rid of "Canadian French" from the French dialects box (both in E & F if it hasn't already been done in both). CJ Withers 22:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[National language]] 

message: This article we may suspect has been written/edited by an oppressed Acadian French speaker!
By the 10th or 20th sentence explaining that Canadian French is not homogenous, we are all too well aware of this fact. The Labelling section is entirely too defensive, and the examples of British Islands English and Dutch are linguistically confused and obscure to a typical, for example, U.S. reader.
This can all be stripped down to a much simpler presentation, that the popular conception of a single "Canadian French" is inaccurate, and there are in reality several distinct dialects, and they are...
To make matters worse, after all this, we learn absolutely nothing about the mysterious other completely distinct -- and we surmise threatened -- less-spoken dialects, beyond Acadian.
But what the article really needs is some linguistic science: despite their differences, do all of the French dialects in Canada stem from a common source in early Canada, and thus represent a single branch of French language, distinct from that in France, which should legitimately be called the "French Canadian dialect group"; or, do the different dialects in Canada stem from settlers from different parts of France, and thus there really is no "Canadian French" in a phylogenic sense -- just New World members of dialect groups in France?
All that should be clarified as well with a lovely chart showing the dialect branches of French including the New World members.
:I agree that the page has a lot of text just to say that "Canadian French" is inaccurate. In the french version of Wikipedia, it is simply a disambiguation page. But because of the bilingual nature of Canada, many think that if it exists a canadian english dialect, the same should apply to french. So some clarifications should remain to stay clear and avoid that someone rewrite the page with information that should be instead in Quebec French or in French in Canada.
:When you ask about branching, Quebec and Acadian French differences has to do with the settlers coming from different parts of France (as you said). A greater part of acadian settlers originates from Poitou, while Quebec has a greater representation from Normandy and Brittany. I don't think that the two dialects influenced each other in North America until the use of radio and television. Quebec French includes most french regional variations in Quebec, Ontario and western Canada which can be branched all together with what is spoken in Montreal and Quebec City (french immigrants spread from those two cities); Cajun French in Louisiana takes instead its origin from Acadian French.LeQuantum 17:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overly Belaboring Point on Different Canadian French Dialects 

message: "The language across Canada" section needs a lot of work. Very little of the information therein is noteworthy or verifiable. --CJ Withers 06:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section needing beaucoup work 

message: The article currently states that "Acadian French shares many traits with Quebec French." While there is some truth to it it ignores their distinction, almost suggesting that there are no noteworthy differences. It seems that perhaps only the Acadian French of New Brunswick is taken into consideration. Acadians in Nova Scotia (in Par-en-Bas and Par-en-Haut at least) have little exposure to spoken Canadian French/Québec French/whatever one wants to call it and thus speak in ancestral Acadian accents. We and the Cajuns sound alike, whereas the better known variety of Acadian French sounds most like Canadian French. Spoken, our variety is mutually unintelligible with Canadian French. I would suggest such a difference merits some elaboration. One can hear Par-en-Haut Acadian radio online at http://www.cifafm.ca/ to get some idea of Nova Scotian Acadian French.
:I added the point about Acadian French and Quebec French sharing many traits, and it does not refer to Quebec-influenced Acadian French. Traditional Acadian French and Quebec French are closer to each other than either is to European French. Even people in Louisiana who have only heard Cajun French find Quebec French less "foreign" than French French. I don't have appropriate references for the moment (and won't have a library available for a couple of months), but this fact is definitely sourceable. If you're unhappy about it being unsourced for that long, comment it out and I'll source it this fall. [Please sign your posts with ~~~~ ] Joeldl 22:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More on Acadian French

message: Could someone tell me where the second guy who speaks in french in this video come from?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFRT78AehjU
I liked his accent a lot and id so much be pleased if i could read more about it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.83.25.119 (talk) 23:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where does his accent come from? 

message: This section and its subsections have a lot of problems. It looks like it was originally written in French and then run through a machine translation, so its English is very bad. So bad in fact, that it will be very difficult to edit into flowing English. Also most of its content is off topic. It is a general summary of the history of French Canada, but this article should be about the French language. Cultural and historical political arrangements should be mentioned only if necessary to explain a linguistic point. We have several other articles people can read for the general history of French Canada. Removing all the off-topic material will make the section worse than it already is. So I'm not sure what we should do here, but I am tempted to delete the whole section. Indefatigable (talk) 17:05, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The language itself is covered at Quebec French and Acadian French, so it's quite appropriate to have discussion of the historical and geographical context. However, much of the material appears to have been written by a user with an axe to grind against Quebec French. The section on "endogenists" and "exogenists" is clearly polemical, and appears strongly to have been inserted to defend a certain point of view. The section on anglicisms contains some properly sourced, neutral material, but gives undue weight to this aspect, considering that this article is not primarily about linguistic aspects. I am deleting the section on "endogenists" now, and will wait to hear what people think about the section on anglicisms. 96.46.204.126 (talk) 05:23, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

text: I've had another look at the history section, and it has a lot of material in it that seems off topic, particularly about pre-Cartier European exploration. The rest only vaguely touches on language. It also contains inaccuracies, like the claim that French had no legal status in Canada before 1867. In fact, the legislature was unilingual only between 1840 and 1848. I think it would be more appropriate to recentre the entire discussion on post-1760 events. For example, this entire encyclopedia article on language policy in Canada has only two sentences on New France.96.46.204.126 (talk) 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The evolution of the French language on the "Canadian continent" 

message: This is from the Article Feedback: "What French is taught in Canada?"
*So I tried to find secondary sources that gave a direct answer, but I cannot. From what I have gathered, in French Language classes (all Provinces), it is Metropolitan French minus certain anglicisms. In ordinary instruction in Quebec, it is Quebec French, in a formal register. If anybody can provide the correct answer with reliable secondary sources, please do. Abductive (reasoning) 05:44, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no answer to this question I'm afraid. Both variants are taught indiscriminately. They're not thought of as two different 'languages' if you will, at least in Quebec. These two 'dialects' are only distinguishable in their spoken forms. It's the same as someone who would have been taught English by a British person versus someone who would have been taught English by an American or English Canadian. Outside of Quebec to the West, in elementary and high schools, I'd say Quebec French is more likely to be taught; and East of Quebec, Acadian French is most likely to be taught. That's just because in these areas respectively, the teachers are more likely to speak these dialects. However, it seems like in universities and professional or private language schools metropolitan French is more likely to be taught. I don't think you will be able to find sources to answer this question.--RXcanadensis (talk) 21:40, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with RX.  That is generally my impression as well.  Moreover, any sources found would likely consist mainly of anecdotal evidence.   --Skeezix1000 (talk) 21:46, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language of instruction 

message: There are several examples and quotes in French that are not translated into English.  While this may be fine for those who are bilingual, for those who only speak English, this is problematic, as it leaves one wondering what is actually being said,  Since it is an English Wikipedia article, could someone please add the translations immediately following the French (in parentheses).
For Example, 
:In conclusion, according to the Robert Dubuc's article "Régionalismes et communication",[15] for the French-speaking community of Quebec, « il n’y a de salut hors de la maîtrise de ses moyens linguistiques dont le français commun constitue l’armature essentielle et efficace. »  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.248.91 (talk) 05:08, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translations of examples should be used 

message: There is a contradiction between the table, which is inaccurate in any case, and the paragraphs discussing anglicisms which follow. The table suggests that France french ("metropolitan" French) when it is taught allows for anglicisms. This is not accurate. The table also suggests Quebeckers use fewer anglicisms - also inaccurate. The section goes on to state, in fact, that Quebeckers use a lot of anglicisms, and goes into quite a lot of detail.
No one in Quebec uses "fin de semaine" in casual conversation, they use "le week-end." "Parc a stationnement" is ludicrous. Stationnement is correct, and many Quebeckers use "le parking."
I don't think the table adds anything. It should be deleted.
"There is, however, a movement which is trying to reintroduce the respectful "vous" - there is a movement seeking to enforce a more formal french language use, and eliminate "Montreal street french" or joual and other dialects. But it is not very significant. One group is here: http://www.asulf.ca/
The article needs a discussion of joual or at least a reference to the joual wiki page.
There is an excellent reference web page here http://www.spl.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/400ans/timeline.html that outlines the development of french in Quebec.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.81.111 (talk) 11:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section entitled "Quebec" 

message: *Note  did not specify their preferred title (i.e., which article to merge into which) as they simply tagged each article with  templates. Wbm1058 (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been suggested that this page be merged into Canadian French.
*Support The term "Canadian French" is a notorious umbrella term for Canada's French dialects and I support this merge 100%. Savvyjack23 (talk) 21:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Any news on that topic? From an outside view, a merging needs to be strongly considered. Saemikneu (talk) 19:37, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested merge 19 May 2015 

message: This statement looks like propaganda: "Law 101 could postpone the advance of the phenomenon or even prevent it."  Law 101 has been in effect since 1977, and yet there are undoubtedly more colloquial Anglicisms in Quebec French today than ever before.  So there is precious little reason to believe that Law 101 can really halt such normal and predictable linguistic phenomena.--108.36.159.94 (talk) 11:41, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  sabirisation 

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message: :French language in Canada →  – According to User:Nikkimaria on Talk:Canadian_French#Merger_proposal, "[Canadian French] is primarily a linguistics article, focusing on the dialect and its varieties. The [French language in Canada] is primarily a historic/sociological discussion of the French language in Canada, focusing on legal and political concerns." Therefore, rename this article as suggested. Soumya-8974 talk contribs subpages 14:41, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
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