Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Archive 3

message: I nominate Wikipedia:Votes for deletion for deletion. It's causing nothing but trouble. -- Wapcaplet 04:40, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote for deletion

message: Is the "special archived discussion" really appropriate here? Seems to me that it be better to link to the list of hets debate from wikipedia talk:deletion policy and wikipedia:list - the top of this page is cluttered enough, in my opinion. Martin 10:00, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)
:It is only a temporary solution to a page that otherwise would be orphaned. If and when more such pages are used to focus debates, rather than the totally unsatisfactory moved to talk mess, a special linked page can be created on which such pages are archived. If I put it in the page Martin mentioned I would have been accused of trying to hide the page, as most users do not visit the wikipedia talk:deletion policy and the wikipedia:list pages . In putting it where it can be seen, one ends up accused of cluttering a page. Sometimes on wiki you just can't win, no matter how open and transparent one tries to be. *sigh* FearÉIREANN 14:38, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)
:: Well, I moved the link. Let's see who accuses me of being untransparent? :-) Martin
:It is a deletion debate and like deletion debates should be archived on a page accessible on the VfD. In fact I think all past deletion debates on talk pages should be moved, with each having its own archive. That is another good reason to put deletion debates on a single page, rather than spreading them willy nilly all over the page, sometimes deleted if the talk page is lost, othertimes buried in a talk page archive. Someone may want at some stage to read through old debates if producing a history of wiki. We need to follow high archival standards to keep those records. Keeping wiki's history is important. FearÉIREANN 23:03, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Or we could keep a (dare I say it?) list of pointers to those archives on a subpage of VfD. That way, people looking for specific archives know where to find links, and people cruising the talk pages will find the relevant deletion debates. The glory of lists is that pages spread willy nilly can be traced from a central node. -- Cyan 21:39, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done, Cyan. I created a page linked to the VfD page called Wikipedia:Archived delete debates on which I have placed the archive of the List of heterosexuals and links to other /delete pages created by others. I think the logical policy to follow is to hold all delete pages that are off the VfD on a special delete page rather than the talk page. That way, if an article is deleted and its talk page goes too, the delete debate subpage is preserved in a link there. We have lost months of debates on deletions where those debates took place on talk pages that were then deleted with the main article. This way we will have an archived record that people writing the history of wiki in years to come can access, as well as general users interested to follow a debate. FearÉIREANN 23:13, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: special archived discussion?

message: Wikipedia talk:Deletion guidelines for administrators has discussion on what we mean when we say that pages should be deleted as a result of consensus. Please express your views there. Martin 22:51, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  rough consensus 

message: What is the purpose of a silly table you seen in this page? -- Taku 21:55, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the Wikipedia_talk:Votes for deletion#Preamble and in particular Wikipedia_talk:Votes for deletion#Inter-VfD links on this very page for enlightenment! Pete 22:01, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

text: Ok. Angela 01:23, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  table