Talk:Toutatis

message: The Teutones were not as is stereotypically thought of as the classic nordic/aryan peoples;even though their name has been used to categorise every garmanic tribe . They,along with their allies the cimbri were a tribe of the pre-viking age who shared a common north european celto/germanic culture.Their name,by simple logic suggests they worshipped Teutatis/Toutatis ,the god of the tuath/teuat or"tribe".The many finds in jutland show that the cultures of celtic britain and 'teutonic" denmark were basically the same. (anonymous)
The choice of the spelling invented for Astrerix doesn't fill the reader with confidence. The few instances of the name in literature could all be mentioned, to give us an idea of what the Romans thought this word signified, and a link to at least one discussion of Teutates would inspire confidence. --Wetman 12:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because it is totally untrue that the spelling was invented for Astérix. More than one ancient inscription in Roman Britain or Gaul was dedicated to Toutatis or Mars Toutatis. Outside of Latin literary references, Toutatis is actually the most common spelling. QuartierLatin1968  17:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: It seems to me that there is a linguistic similarity between the two above. It might offend Modern mores suggesting that Celtic God and a Germanic one may have the same basis, but they both have common attributes. the "Tis" at the end of the former and the "Ti" are surely cognate? Brendandh 00:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't there a common Indo-European root? Here in Germany Zeus is pronounced like "Tseus". The Latin word "deus" and the Indian term "deva" both mean "god", so maybe it doesn't necessarily refer to the old word for "people"? Fulcher (talk) 19:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Toutatis/Tîwaz

message: I can find six inscriptions:
:AE 1994, 01120 Little Walsingham 
:AE 2001, 01290 Lincolnshire
:AE 2001, 01298 Benwell / Condercum 
:CIL 03, 11721 Seggauberg / Solva 
:CIL 06, 31182 Roma
:RIB 00219 Barkway
What are the other four? 
The online 'roman britain' version of RIB 01017 does not mention IOM. It says  'RIOCALAT ET TOVTAT MAR COCIDO VOTO FECIT VITALIS' and gives the findspot as unknown; inscription in Crosthwaite Museum
http://www.roman-britain.org/epigraphy/rib_borders.htm
The Clauss-Slaby Epigraphic database, on the other hand, does mention IOM but not Toutatis, and gives   Cumberland Quarries as the location: 'I(ovi) O(ptimo) M(aximo) et / M(arti) / Coc(idio) vo/tu(m) feci/[t] Vita/[lis]'
I have mailed the author of the 'roman britain' site for clarification.
Why is RIB 1897 mentioned? It has nothing to do with the subject: it says 'DIII LAT'
http://www.roman-britain.org/epigraphy/rib_hadrianswall.htm
--Nantonos 15:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ten Inscriptions

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message: The modern pronunciation is neither English nor French. Which language is it? — kwami (talk) 07:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind. Added the pron. from the asteroid article. kwami (talk) 05:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't rush the intellectual race to the bottom! The pronunciation's Gaulish, of course, as it's a Gaulish name – in fact I think the British pronunciation at this time would have been the same as well. By the way, we should indicate phonemes // rather than phones [] because it is quite impossible to know how the phonemes of Gaulish might have been realized in practice. Speakers of English or French can pronounce this name as they please; I assume, however, that most would prefer to know what pronunciation approximates to that of the ancient name. Q·L·1968 ☿ 13:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, go ahead and add that to the English pron. kwami (talk) 18:04, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation 

message: A small sampling of RELIABLE sources that discuss the archaeological evidence for human sacrifice among the ancient Celts:
* Miranda Jane Green, Dying for the Gods: Human Sacrifice in Iron Age & Roman Europe, Tempus, 2002.
* Barry W. Cunliffe, The Ancient Celts, Oxford University Press, 1997.
* Jean-Louis Brunaux, The Celtic Gauls: Gods, Rites and Sanctuaries. Translated by Daphne Nash, Seaby, 1988.
* Jean-Louis Brunaux, Gallic Blood Rites, Archaeology 54(2), 2001; pp. 54-57.
* Jeremiah R. Dandoy, Page Selinsky, and Mary M. Voigt, "Celtic Sacrifice"; Archaeology,Volume 55 Number 1, January/February 2002. https://archive.archaeology.org/0201/etc/celtic.html
* Page Selinsky, "A Preliminary Report on the Human Skeletal Material from Gordion's Lower Town Area", in: Lisa Kealhofer (ed.), The Archaeology of Midas and the Phrygians: Recent Work at Gordion, UPenn Museum of Archaeology, 2005, pp. 117-136.
* Ian Armit, Headhunting and the Body in Iron Age Europe, Cambridge University Press, Mar 19, 2012 
* John Koch, Celtic Culture: a historical encyclopedia, ABC-CLIO, 2006, pp. 856, 1070, 1073, 1510, 1541, 1549-1552, 1751-1752, 
* Philip Freeman, St. Patrick of Ireland: A Biography, Simon and Schuster, 2005, pp. 100-101. 
Please consult these before undoing my edit to remove nonsense that there is no archaeological evidence for Celtic human sacrifice! Cagwinn (talk) 00:19, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Evidence for Human Sacrifice

message: What's the source of the figure being Toutatis? It seems to be Mercury with the Caduceus. The Gaulish Mercury is rarely associated with Toutatis.
--Julienor94 (talk) 16:00, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Base of a column depicting Toutatis 

message: Ingaevonic language group, aka Northsea germanic, descends from tribe of Ingvi, son of Mannus, son of Tuisto.
Irminonic  is from tribe of Erman son of Mannus. from Celtic Germania area
Istaevones from Ista, son of Mannus
 Tuisto progenitor of thee three tribes.
 main source: Tacitus Germania 172.78.225.85 (talk) 19:37, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tuisto  pregenitor of Ingaevones, Irminoenes, Istaevenes. the three tribes of Europe