Talk:Fanny Alger

message: The following copied from User Talk:Trödel "Generally navigation templates like  are only used on the pages that are links in the template itself, and, sometimes, other major articles. We generally don't include them on articles related to the topic which are not central. Thus I removed it from Fanny Alger, but left it on Kirtland --Trödel 02:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree that this is how such Templates are used.  I would point to Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria and List of Coptic Orthodox Popes of Alexandria as pages with the Eastern Orthodox template but are not listed on the template while Byzantine Empire is listed in the template, but does not appear.  Your reply itself indicates that your selection of on which to place the template is discretionary.  I want to presume good faith, but it certainly appears that you are selecting these with an eye to which page portrays the church in a positive light.--Counsel 03:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am leaving the template off for now but would be interested to hear other opinions.--Counsel 03:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  LDS Template 

message: A major restructuring proposal for all polygamy articles related to Mormonism has been made at Talk:Joseph Smith, Jr. and polygamy#Series and Restructuring proposal.  Please visit and give your two cents. --Descartes1979 (talk) 04:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major restructuring proposal in a related article 

message: Whatever one's view on Alger, she does not meet the notability guidelines as I had on the deleted (by Descartes1979) tag. She is notable only based on her relationship with a person of notability. Any secondary source material mentions only this relationship. She did not invent anything, did not hold any office (including church), and is in no other way notable. Even the article is based on a couple of questionable websites. Discuss then...  Best, A Sniper (talk) 07:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This was on my deletion request: With all due respect, I would submit that Fanny Alger is only notable for having been an alleged polygamous wife of Joseph Smith, Jr.. Although she has been mentioned in reliable secondary source material, it is exclusively re: the above noted relationship with a famous person. I am concerned with the deletion reasoning that relationships do not confer notability. Alger was not notable for anything else: she received no notable awards or honor, did not make a widely recognized contribution in any field, did not write anything that was published, or receive notoriety for anything other than the allegation that she was a (secret) polygamous wife of a famous religious figure, whom she did not live or have children with. Alger should not have her own article when she can be mentioned in others, such as the article on Smith, Origin of Latter Day Saint polygamy or List of the wives of Joseph Smith, Jr.. Wikipedia:Notability (people) states that if "person A has a relationship with well-known person B (it) is not a reason for a standalone article on A", yet "person A may be included in the related article on B", which is already the case with Alger. Lastly, I would note that the bulk of the article relies on three unreliable sources: a website with a newspaper clipping and two parts of a non-credible website. A Sniper (talk) 07:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Another quick note - if Alger had been an obscure cousin or other relative or associate of Joseph Smith I could understand how this would not be notable. However, the relationship itself between Smith and Alger is what adds notability to the article. She wasn't just his wife, and she wasn't just another polygamous wife, she was his first polygamous wife(I know I know - that point is disputed, but still...), and may have played a crucial role in the development of polygamy in the LDS movement. --Descartes1979 (talk) 07:41, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For me you just added fuel to the deletion bid: may have and disputed. You see, even her role as a polygamous wife isn't 100%...and what do we have left? Nothing. Did she write hymns? Was she a leader? Did she make a horrible pioneer trek and assist the elderly? Did she make Smith babies for the otherwise fertile JSJr? Nope. Even Eliza Snow is notable for writing hymns. Best, A Sniper (talk) 08:25, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Descartes1979, could you please clarify the G.D. Smith sentence that mentions Nauvoo? Alger's alleged marriage was a decade before the Nauvoo period - does this infer that the marriage was in Nauvoo or that people in Nauvoo ten years later attested to the marriage a decade before? I also added Foster's quote that there is no proof that JSJr. and Alger were ever married, even though he states there is evidence that the two had a sexual affair. If Compton and Brodie have indeed speculated that Alger was an actual wife, then certainly having a mere tryst with JSJr. doesn't qualify for an article - I mean, she was no Monica Lewinsky (writing books, etc. - in fact, Alger would never admit to the marriage, anyway, so this isn't even a reflection of her own belief or claim).  ;) Best, A Sniper (talk) 09:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fanny Alger: to be deleted?

message: I've been around Wikipedia for more than half its history, and I've never seen something as odd as what I've just witnessed.  After I completely rewrote this article using reliable sources, A Sniper eliminated all my edits and restored the old, poorly sourced article.  Then he got an AfD tag.  If the article's going to go through the AfD process, the decision should be made on what's there instead of what used to be there.--John Foxe (talk) 09:57, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afd