Talk:Remote viewing

message: Hello all - I was approached by Addidy on Twitter to ask if I have been the one to thwart their attempts to the edits they were making on the remote viewing page. Let's just set aside that Addidy approached me off Wikipedia - seriously I'm okay with that, I'm public and I'm happy to answer questions when I can. After I explained in many tweets what I saw was the problem with Addidy's editing style and lack of edit history, Addidy asked why we can't have a quote from Targ on the remote viewing page that says something like "Targ does not think remote viewing is pseudoscience" and then sum up why he does not think it is pseudoscience and cite this article http://www.espresearch.com/russell/russell-targ-response-to-wikipedia.shtml. I explained to Addidy that User:LuckyLouie has been trying to explain why Addidy's edits aren't sticking and I suggested that Addidy spend a quantity of time reading the talk page and learning how to edit Wikipedia correctly starting with grammar and spelling on a page they don't have an agenda on. But besides all that, I said I would make a talk page discussion to ask if others would be okay with us stating Targ saying he does not think the word pseudoscience fits remote viewing and briefly why. I await your discussion of the matter. Sgerbic (talk) 22:59, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, Sgerbic, I got your notification ping. Why we can't cite fringe/self published sources such as Targ's website has been discussed to WP:EXHAUSTION on this Talk page. That "Targ does not think remote viewing is pseudoscience" is a given. Every pseudoscience advocate strenuously objects to their avocation being called pseudoscience, it's an expected denial (see WP:MANDY). However unless these objections are notable in WP:FRIND sources, they don't belong in the article. - LuckyLouie (talk) 01:03, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you - just wanted to make sure I asked and got a clear answer for Addity. I'm going to state one more time for Addity's sake - if you want to become a serious Wikipedia editor then learn the rules, read though this talk page - all of it. Make a user page for yourself so that we know that you are here to stay awhile. And start with pages that you don't have an agenda. As Louie says it would be odd to write that Targ does not agree, because that is implied in the article. Sgerbic (talk) 04:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: And thank you for that article on MANDY that's the first I've heard of that. Years I've been here and still have a lot to learn. Sgerbic (talk) 04:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I've added it to WP:FLAT. - LuckyLouie (talk) 20:55, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: And another one I've never heard of. Sgerbic (talk) 01:55, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about having a quote from Targ 

message: A statement was posted to the CIA website confirming that they believe it to be a real phenomenon. It's not obvious to me where this might go – could someone who's inclined include it? — TARDIS builder💬   |     07:57, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The consensus view is that CIA got no actionable intelligence through remote viewing, so whether they believe it to be genuine or not is irrelevant. Verbatim quote:  So, yeah, taking the report at face value, they concluded that it works, but it works so badly as to be practically useless. As in general with psi phenomena: they provide some significant correlations, but they are useless in the real world. tgeorgescu (talk)  08:23, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless, replacing "significant" with "real" is a rookie mistake because correlation is not causation. And it would be very weird if all the CIA had a single opinion about it. There are bound to be people working there who are very smart and knowledgeable and others who are not. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:31, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIA admits that remote viewing isn't bull 

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message: Stargate Project of CIA must be added. You can go to this website and type "remote view". Thousands of documents will be revealed. Looks like CIA involved "pseudo-scientific" operations. Psycics has been used for operations by CIA. Not adding this information on this page and calling remote view "pseudo-science" is highly biased and suspicious move. 
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/home 159.146.121.8 (talk) 21:50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to be able to read and comprehend the existing article. What you want to add to the article is already in the article. - LuckyLouie (talk) 22:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIA 

message: I find the description and discussion about remote viewing quite bizarre. After it was made available to the public in the mid 1990:s a number of the former military remote viewers started to provide courses. The community of viewers has continued growing and developing. There is a generally accepted scientific protocoll containing key points making sure there is no cheating. Many remote viewing projects have been made available to the public giving the oppotunity for anyone to get an insight by going through the raw data. 
An obvious objection would be that we can't tell if the viewer knew about tha target before doing the viewing. However, for the last decade or so projects looking into the future have been available to the public. E g Farsight Institute and Cryptoviewing have provided mothly predictions a month in advance. This means that the public including myself have the opportunity to first take part of the results of the remote viewing session and then during the month or so after the feedback will play out. Over and over the mentioned groups have produced stunning results. Remote viewers have described unique events of which there was totally impossible to have prior knowledge. The detail och specificness has many time been overwhelming and when the event played out there could be no doubt about that this was what the Remote viewer had described. 155.4.33.198 (talk) 14:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @155.4.33.198 Remote viewing is overwhelmingly considered WP:FRINGE pseudoscience. To give more weight to its scientific viability in this article would require significant amounts of reliable sources from a variety of reputable scientific venues. StereoFolic (talk) 15:32, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

text: You'll need some robust sources for that. Guy (help! - typo?) 21:30, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remote viewing has been in operative use for decades