Talk:Sason

message: Murat has been repeatedly adding the following text into the article: "Sason was the site of two major Armenian revolts against the Ottoman State prior to World War I in 1894 and 1903 which marked the start of serious hostilities between the the Ottoman State and its minority Armenian population, especially in the East where the Russian influence was pervasive and the Armenian insurgents very active".
The 1894 event had already been covered in the article, with neutral sources not calling it a "revolt". The above text is thus adding duplicated material as well as being misleading by implying that it is talking about a different event. I don't know waht "1903" event is being talked about. 
I attempted to remove the duplicated material and its POV content and rewrite it thus: "In the context of Armenian Genocide denialist literature, some Turkish sources still hold that the Sasun events of 1893-94 were Armenian revolts against the Ottoman state, incited by Armenian revolutionaries and foreign agents, and that they foreshadowed more serious Armenian rebellions". The cited book, "Ermeni Dosyasi", was written to deny the 1915 Armenian genocide, so it is appropriate to mention the purpose of the source (since it is not a mainstream history book, but one that advocates a marginal and extremist point of view). Meowy 21:00, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, the burden of proof falls with yourself. Saying something is recognized and not POV will not make it true. Show us these countless references that you have undoubtedly seen with your own eyes. Give us the links, to put it simply. If they truly come from a variety of NPOV sources, we can cite them all, and then adding such information into the article should not be a problem. The Myotis (talk) 03:55, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

text: A cute little conspiracy theory, but unless you find a good source to back it up, it is just more meaningless noise. Again, nobody is just going to take your word for it. The Myotis (talk) 05:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

text: The uncited claims, of course. Alleging that 'reality' has been 'perverted' in particular. The Myotis (talk) 05:22, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

text: If you expect to claim in the article that these resistances are AKA the 'Antranik Wars', and that the whole thing was financed by Russia, you will have to provide an NPOV online source. Not just rant about it on the talk page. The Myotis (talk) 05:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Sources are sources. You either have them or you do not. The "You can find them yourself" argument does not excuse you from verifiability rules. Listing links is very easy, assuming the links actually exist.The Myotis (talk) 05:55, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Murat hasn't answered any of the points I made. He did not respond to my point that his edit added duplicated material. He did not respond to my point that his edit, with its use of POV words like "revolts", contradicted neutral sources already cited in the text. He seems to dispute the fact that "Ermeni Dosyasi" is an example of Turkish-produced Armenian Genocide denialist literature. It is not a "valuable and recognized source" by normal usage of that phrase. Meowy 17:34, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edit by Hudavendigar/Murat