Talk:Hummer

message: Is there really a H4? has it been proven? From my research, I have found that Hummer is perhaps not going to call it "H4", but HR, Hummer Roadster. Source: www.hummerhr.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.106.250.110 (talk) 03:03, 27 November 2006
Yes, there is really a H4.
See: http://www.google.de/imgres?q=hummer+h4&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1680&bih=985&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=mRZUDbHsP3RCgM:&imgrefurl=http://www.topspeed.com/cars/hummer-h4/ke2684.html&docid=AOCvCQA68ZZfRM&imgurl=http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200809/2012-hummer-h4---ren_460x0w.jpg&w=459&h=344&ei=v519T4LMD8X5sgam2NGkCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=176&vpy=182&dur=1957&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=141&ty=84&sig=107512968915443378161&page=1&tbnh=128&tbnw=171&start=0&ndsp=37&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:120  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariomuse85 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: H4 or HR

message: I'm all for keeping the article non-POV, but now there's nothing written to even suggest that there's anti-Hummer sentiment to begin with.  Keeping all mentions of criticism out of the mix isn't objective writing; it's ignoring the elephant in the living room.  And whether or not criticism sites like FUH2 are "juvenile" is very much up to the reader, isn't it? This is a sick car
Buddy-Rey 01:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted the z->s in advertizing - it's about as American as a vehicle can get, and should use US spelling in the article.  --SFoskett 17:43, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
I agree that American spelling is entirely appropriate for the article, but advertising (with an 's') is not American spelling, nor British. The American Heritage Dictionary lists only the s-spelling.
 86.139.182.248 22:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: We appear to be having an edit war here.  I would like to address the edits:
#I feel that including a sentence on biodiesel is not called for.  I know of no Hummers running on biodiesel, and it's not really Hummer-specific.  ANY Diesel engine can run on the stuff.  Therefore, it's irrelevant.
#We should include negative links as well as positive ones.  FUH2 is actually quite informative, if POV.  Flipoffahummer is less so.
#Why single out certain vehicles in certain places?
Please discuss these issues here before reverting the article again.  --SFoskett 21:11, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
Not to sound wierd, but how is FUH2 informative?  In some places, doing that can get you arrested.
--Beastmaster April 2, 2005 00:06 (UTC)
:I meant that the points raised on the main page are interesting, not that the photos are...  --SFoskett 14:32, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
Ok.. Hopefully the Edit WAr is over.  THe article seems generally accurate, and is informational.
--J0llyR0ger 18:27, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit war

message: Criticism about the Hummer lends no informational value whatsoever to this article.  Saying that its a "fact" that most Hummer owners don't take their vehicles offroad and is "especially true of the H2" is unfounded and irresponsible writing.  The links to juvenile sites like fuh2.com make this look more like a ranting op-ed than an encyclopedia article.  As such this erodes Wikipedia's credibility.  Anyone so obviously anti-Hummer does not need Wikipedia's help in finding such sites.
:Hopefully I didn't just start another edit war. I thought the "evaluation" section read like somebody made some breathless complaints about the Hummer's impracticality, and then somebody else crudely inserted various counter-arguments to restore NPOV. I rewrote the section, removing the litany of other impractical cars and the  notice that fewer Hummers are built (which suggested if their faults are somehow mitigated). I also more explicitely defined the "impractical" charge. At any rate, all this is basically a reprise of the points made in the SUV article. Tafinucane 22:17, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got no problem with these edits.  The things you removed were a toned-down version of a defense posted previously.  I would not have included them either, but wanted to make sure all viewpoints were not suppressed.  --SFoskett 22:35, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
The notion that Hummers are seldom taken off-road is not unfounded -- it's basic physics. Most rugged off-road trails, also known as jeep roads, are only a few feet wide and it would be physically impossible to take a Hummer on one. When you're driving a narrow little jeep down one, and you meet another vehicle, you often have to back up in order to make room for passing. An H2 would not fit single-file, much less be capable of meeting other vehicles on such a road. It's clear to me that Hummers are used exclusively in urban areas. Ken 00:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-informational Criticism and Unfounded Claims

message: anybody able to dig up (objective and factual) information on how much pollution hummers produce?  please add a paragraph - thanks.
: No more or less than similar oversized SUV's, such as the Suburban. This article has already been flayed by edit wars between detractors and apologists--and the information you seek creates a bias if it is applied only to the Hummer. I think a better idea would be to create a vehicle pollution article. And then make the Hummer article a redirect to vehicle pollution :) Tafinucane 20:51, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's probably true that what can be said of the Hummer can be said, to a lesser extent, of all large "light trucks". And, to a lesser extent, on smaller vehicles and even to a less extent with regard to scooters. However, the Hummers are uniquely criticized for this, because although their pollution capacity is similar to other large vehicles, it is still higher and unique in its production of particulate matter. Whether you agree with them or not, the Hummer H2 is singled out as being a particularly egregious polluter by credible environmentalists. Ken 00:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: please add pollution information

message: Apparently, 'hummer' is also a nickname for hummingbirds, as well as the oral sex term. Can we put up a disambiguation page? I'm sure there are more slang terms called 'hummer' as well. Identity0 07:03, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation

message: To clear up mpgs', added them Miles_per_gallon links in 'Evaluation', so that it would be clear what mpg means to non-Uessians. -Mardus 10:03, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: mpg or miles per gallon

message: I understand Schwarzenegger was the first one to buy one because he saw the military version while filming "Kindergarten Cop" and had GM make one for him. Is this true?
Answer:  Rumor mill has a wide variety of variants to the story.
Variant 1:  Arnold asked AMG to build him a one off version with a GM Gas V-8 (Corvette Engine at that time).
Variant 2:  Arnold lobbied AMG to build him a Humvee just like what the Military uses.
Reality (From AM General employees):  Arnold did lobby to AMG to buy some Humvees.  He lobbied pretty hard after CNN and other media outlets broadcast pictures of them during Desert Storm.
He actually was successful - to a point.  Arnold received two Humvee's under a specialized "lease" basis, mainly because he is the owner of other military hardware, including an M47 tank stationed at the Motts Military Museum in Columbus, Ohio.  He received one Slantback in 686 Tan CARC, and a hardtop variant in semi-gloss tan.  Both were shipped to Arnold in 1991.  
Then, Arnold got 1992 Limited Edition numbers 0001 and 0002.  Ironically, Coca Cola really received the first 15 civilian Hummers off the factory floor.  Arnold's trucks were later in the production run.  One of his Limited Edition trucks was auctioned off in 2000 for $140k.  Marc Andreeson of Netscape won the truck.
Ironically, because of California DMV laws, he cannot legally register his first two Humvee's.  AM General (in a fit of wierdness) has sent letters asking DMV's across the US  not to register and give plates to military M998 variants.  Because of that, his Humvee's are registered out of state - I believe in Indiana or Ohio.
--Beastmaster 06:37, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: Quote:
"As fuel prices have risen, detractors have also singled out the Hummer as an egregious waster of resources—a charge based largely on the Hummer's unnecessary fuel consumption and size."
Unnecessary fuel consumption and size?  Isn't that a bit odd?  Who determines that it's "unnecessary"?  If I get no objections, I'm going to rewrite it to say:
"As fuel prices has risen, detractors have also singled out the Hummer as an egregrious waste of resources - a charge based mostly on what is perceived to be the Hummer's fuel consumption and size".
--Beastmaster 06:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion about the Evaluation section

message: Someone changed the history to reflect that the original HMMWV was based on the Lamborghini "Lambo" prototype.  It wasn't.  The original HMMWV competition in 1979 had three competitors: AM General, with their design that eventually became the HMMWV; Chrysler Defense, with a vehicle based on the Saluki; and Teledyne, with a vehicle based on the Cheetah, which was based on the LM002 Lambo.
For a better rundown of all of this, see http://www.off-road.com/hummer/general/hmmwv.html
--Jkonrath 16:35, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hummer versus Lambo

message: I put a wikify tag here because the article needs a lead section. If there's a more appropriate tag, please feel free to replace it (or write a lead section). --Fang Aili  說嗎? 04:40, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: wikify tag

message: Peep http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~heg and call the Michigan office for verification.  Doctor Octagon 22:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "hearsay" from Kmarkey

message: I'm uncomfortable with the quantity of external links that are being accumulated, many of which seem to be non-notable sites, or are otherwise promotional in nature.  I recommend we pare down the list considerably, per WP:EL. --Elonka 20:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many external links

message: Hummer is actually written as HUMMER by GM. At the end of every GM (not Chevrolet, Buick, etc., but GM) press release, it says: General Motors Corp. (NYSE: GM), the world’s largest automaker, has been the global industry sales leader for 75 years. Founded in 1908, GM today employs about 318,000 people around the world. With global headquarters in Detroit , GM manufactures its cars and trucks in 33 countries. In 2005, 9.17 million GM cars and trucks were sold globally under the following brands: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, GM Daewoo, Holden, HUMMER, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn and Vauxhall. GM’s OnStar subsidiary is the industry leader in vehicle safety, security and information services. More information on GM can be found at www.gm.com. (emphasis added)   
Encyclopedic references to HUMMER should reflect the proper name as intended and identified by the manufacturer. Wizmo 07:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you're suggesting.  What you provided is useful information.  The article should reflect and state that the vehicle is branded and promoted in such a way by the corporation.  That may change, it may not.  It's not a requirement of anyone other than GM to write its name in all caps and it would be equivalent to promoting it to the readers of the article.--In1984 03:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: HUMMER is a registered trademark, just like other automotive marques. As such, Yahoo! Autos and Edmunds.com use that spelling. As with GEO (magazine) and SRAM (bicycles), professional writers refer to a brand, product, or service by its trademarked name. HUMMER turned into Hummer because HUMMER wasn't popularized by GM. As a result, most people refer to the brand as Hummer, but some professionals (writers, journalists, businesspeople, attorneys, academics, etc.) refer to it as HUMMER. Legally speaking, brands are trademarked in advanced societies. Nonetheless, as Hummer has become the popular plebeian spelling, it is appropriate to use it as such. However, it would be more appropriate to use the spelling of the registered trademark (all capital letters) in the listing of brands of GM in Template:General Motors brands, just as how GM does in its press releases. Wizmo 20:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Brand/name

message: What on earth is a wombat brand?  I've never heard the word "wombat" used like this before, and there's no explanation.  At the very least the term should be explained.  Groogle 00:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wombat brand?

message: Please note the WIKI caption policy. 
Showing the logo of the brand or the company is not an attempt at advertising. The notion of putting a caption stating that the logo is a logo will somehow reduce the effect of "advertising" is false. Showing the logo as part of a Wikipedia article is not advertising according to the definition of advertising -- 
:"Advertising is paid and/or sometimes free communication through a medium in which the sponsor is identified and the message is controlled. ..."
Therefore, including a “fair use” image of the logo within a Wikipedia article about the item or organization identified with that particular logo does NOT make it advertising. Wikipedia guidelines clearly state that no caption needed for company or product logos, where the logo is current, and the article is about the company or product.
-- Thanks, CZmarlin 07:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hummer logo caption

message: In this documentary, there is a segment about tax breaks for the Hummer vs for hybrid or electric cars. The claim is that people who buy the Hummer (in the US) have an equivalent tax break that nearly pays for the car (roughly $100,000), while people who get hybrids/electric cars only get a tax break of about $2,000 (which, obviously, doesn't pay for the car). First, is there any truth to this? Second, should this be explored in the article? If it is true, it shows the government's manipulation of the market to favor Hummers and other large SUVs, and plays a role in the death of electric cars. Ingres77 19:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Who Killed the Electric Car?

message: What about the hydrogen hummers?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.51.103.64 (talk) 06:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: H2H

message: I don't have a copy nearby, at least not at the nearest library, but the Dog and Lemon car guide has some good material for the criticism section. Richard001 (talk) 04:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: I added one sentence about Hummer cars being recently (from 2008) purchased in relatively large numbers by members of the rising class of utterly rich but undereducated Eastern European Mafia who need such vehicles in order to demonstrate to the public their power and brutality. - This was in addition of the info that the brand is planned to be shut down, etc.  
Contributor "CZmarlin" deleted my contribution, claiming that this information was not "referenced".
True, I did not put a citation into my remark, since this is not published elsewere, nore is there - yet - any sociological study of illegal businesses in Eastern Europe and their automotive preferences. However, is a topic that has not been published elsewhere forbidden to be mentioned in Wikipedia? 
I am living in Sofia, the Bulgarian capital, in the city centre, and I see those Hummer cars (and the individuals who drive them) every single day. They park their cars directly underneath my window. My contribution may sound subjective to an outsider, but I tell you: Everyone who lives in Bulgaria (and other Eastern European countries largely influenced by post-communist organized crime) will confirm that my observation is correct. So, what do you want me to do? First publish this observation in one of the websites I care for (chiefly research and education in Eastern Europe), and then cite it in Wikipedia? Does this make more sense?
A question: How do we ensure that this section of Wikipedia is not being censored by Hummer? 
Kind regards,
 
Christian Geiselmann
(Sofia, Bulgaria)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chgeiselmann (talk • contribs) 10:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Christian - Your contributions are most welcome; however, they fall under the category of original research or original thought. The requirements for inclusion in Wikipedia of personal observations are detailed in the "help" section, specifically on this page: Wikipedia:No original research. I hope this helps. – CZmarlin (talk) 22:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hummer cars preferred by organised crime in Eastern Europe

message: The commonality for the H3 is given, but not for the H2.  The H2 is based on the GM
T800 truck platform, which is the base of the Chevy Suburban, Tahoe, Silverado, Escalade, Avalanche, Sierra, and Yukon. GM had way too many brands and dealers for the number of different platforms they actually made. --John Nagle (talk) 04:37, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: H2 commonality

message: Hummer has been sold to the Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Company, so the page needs to be changed to reflect it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.246.117.91 (talk) 18:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sale of Hummmer

message: I think there are only two Hummer models that have been produced for the 2010 model year: the H3 and H3T.
Jeff S (talk) 03:40, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See the report "GM puts brakes on Hummer production" dated January 14, 2010. CZmarlin (talk) 18:29, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: 2010 Hummers

message: In the official state testing for the army revealed an inability to move in snow (For the "Hammer" H1 snow proved irresistible). Others were able to drive.http://www.rg.ru/2013/01/10/broneavto-site.htmlhttp://army-news.ru/2013/01/italyanskaya-bronetexnika-zamyorzla-v-rossii/
its officiale data  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.218.182.103 (talk) 16:45, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your contribution, but this is trivia and not notable in the general article about the overall history about Hummer the brand of trucks and SUVs. Not only does it not belong in this article, but likewise not in this talk page. Discussion here should be only about ways to improve the Hummer article, not about conflicting tests of one vehicle model. CZmarlin (talk) 16:55, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  For the "Hammer" H1 snow proved irresistible 

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message: Something feels off about this. Are there any other sources to back this up? Mysticdan (talk) 20:59, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  V1 Gorilla? 

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message: this is abt being gay asf just watch james charles  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.103.97.61 (talk) 04:29, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  gay asf 

message: I think it was for battle but then they brought it into luxury and passenger stuff yah WOCWindows10 (talk) 15:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  My thoughts of the H3