Talk:Cockney/Archive 1

message: I'm basing this more of my own observations than outside sources, but there seems to be a tendency to raise /ɑ/ to something like /ɔ/ in Cockney and Southern British English in general, eg. "can't" [kɔːnʔ]. The change is consistent with the tendency of the rest of the southerm shift (rising-then-diphtongisation, cf. the Great Vowel Shift), but I'm not sure if it's standard or documented. If somebody has any sources on this or other non-diphtongising changes of long vowels, that'd be nice. --87.205.39.199 (talk) 23:29, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm assuming you're American.  I think what you're hearing is the backness of the vowel.  Everywhere I look, BATH is transcribed as  for London and Southern English English.  In America, LOT/PALM (as long as the "l" in palm isn't pronounced) is often more centralized, so it is pronounced  or .  So if you're American, a pure  might sound different to you. Thegryseone (talk) 07:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Alright, ignore what I wrote earlier.  I found some sources on this change now.  I know you wrote that a long time ago, but I'm writing this just in case you come back or if someone else happens to be curious.  William Matthews in his 1938 work Cockney Past and Present and J. Franklyn in his 1953 work The Cockney.  A Survey of London Life and Language say that in Cockney,  is raised to .  It's possible that this is what has caused  to become more raised and rounded toward , according to Gudrun Parsons in his work from From "RP" to "Estuary English". Here's the PDF version of that work.  If this is true, then it's similar to the low back chain shift in the New York City Dialect.  I have heard pronunciations like that from Cockneys and Southeasterners as well and I wondered about this too, so thanks for bringing it up. Thegryseone (talk) 05:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Raising of /ɑ/?

message: How about using "We don't need no education"(Pink Floyd) instead of I didn't see nothing.
Greatestprateek 15:46, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Double Negatives

message: who first came up with the bow bells definition? with what authority? how valid is it, if for most people cockney = the east of London in general?
I wasn't born in East London, but I grew up there from the age of 3, and though I don't live there now (not through choice), I am still, and always will be, through and through, a cockney.  Most people who live in the east end weren't born there, and won't stay there, but they are still Londoners.  I 'll always feel like I'm a Londoner, because everything that East London is, shaped me into who I am.  Where you are born is irrelevant.  Where you grow up shapes your personality, views, tolerance, expectations, etc.  Someone who is born in Bow and then grows up in Scotland is not a cockney.  A true cockney is someone who grows up in inner-city or East London, regardless of where they were born.
It's not  Bow, it's St Mary-le-Bow Cheapside. Lion King 16:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bow Bells definition

message: I think this is within reach of the Bow Bells. Rich Farmbrough 17:45, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homerton hospital 

message: "soft 'R'; replacement of 'R' with 'W' as in 'Mewwy Cwistmas'"
:Sorry this is pure Mockney as per 1940s films (or Jonathan Ross and others who can't pronounce their Rs). Ever heard Bob Hoskins or Michael Caine say 'Mewwy Cwistmas'? I think not. Jooler 21:46, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually this is in a lot of fictional cockney from Charles Dickens right up to EastEnders - but its use is not just fictional, it is a common (but optional) feature of cockney English.DavidFarmbrough 1:50 (BST) 6 September 2005
I think some R's are replaced with W's, but not in the way that Merry Christmas becomes Mewwy Cwistmas. Its just the way Londoners pronounce certain words. For instance - 'sort' becomes 'sawt', 'door' becomes 'daw', 'short' becomes 'shawt' etc.
The article talks about dropping leading H's;  what about adding them at the start of words when they shouldn't be there.  Is that a recognised characteristic? -- Ralph Corderoy 01:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I know that this section has not been amended for more than a year but I thought that I should write it here anyway.  I have inserted a sentence about this, which was referenced from a Survey of English Dialects worker.  Apparently, the r--->w thing did occur in London and certainly more often than the rest of the country but it was never a universal feature of the Cockney dialect.  Epa101 (talk) 13:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: eeek

message: To give him as an example of anything close to a cockney accent it laughable. "Schtep in thyme Maurie Poppins" - I don't think so. MRSC 18:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already mentioned in this article under "Famous Cockney performances". It was meant to be cockney and it is famous for beign bloody awful. Jooler 18:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes - he had slipped in there twice. Thanks. MRSC 19:05, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dick van Dyke

message: This Bow Bells stuff is a very ancient way to define cockneys. Nowadays most people see a cockney as someone from London. -anon
:Perhaps, but most Londoners do not see themselves as Cockney. Jooler 17:45, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old Fashioned Classification

message: Does anyone know where the Boundary lies for using the greeting "Alright" or "Watcha" ??
I tend to think that North/North East London generally use "Watcha" or "Watcha cock" and South West London stick with "Alright" (alwhite) IsarSteve 21:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course. My Grandad (who is 96) still says "watcha" Lion King 17:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By and large it tends to be older people that use it - your'e right, it's not something that younger people would use or really even know or hear, except maybe in old films or from my Grandad- it makes them laugh, but not in a nasty way :) Cheers, Lion King 18:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What a shame it´s dying (died) out.. but that´s the way things are.. language moves on..I´m in my late 40´s and watcha was used in my youth by both young and old.. IsarSteve 20:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Strange though..if you look through Lion Kings talk page you´ll notice he also uses wotcha (nearly the same word) as well.. so it´s not only his 96 year old grandad.. IsarSteve 21:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Oi, watch it mate, I was born a goal kick away from Cheapside, and if I was a mockney, I'd be pratting on about personal attacks. Instead I'll see you outside The Duke Of Albany tomorrow at 3pm eh? Wotcha! Lion King 21:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  ´ere what a lot of BOFs we are..sitting at home on a Saturday nite! IsarSteve 22:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Don´t get aht yer pram! IsarSteve 22:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: probably only Lion Kings 96 year old grandad! lol "me old dutch" also died out IsarSteve 22:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: As it happens that one isn't part of grand pa pa's terminology - your'e thinking of Kathleen Harrison! Lion King 22:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  seriously now.. it only needs people to use it (rhyming slang), in the way it was meant, to keep it alive. The trouble is, it was a working class thing... and I read somewhere, most people now think they are middle class, what you call Mockney IsarSteve 22:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Spot on ! use the old slang and mockneys haven't got a clue what your'e saying - bring it full circle.Lion King 23:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  sorry that wasn´t very clear.. I think Rhyming slang has lost its "core-users" ... and is therefore dying out. Most people(& londoners) these days consider themselves middle class therefore are by definition Mockneys. IsarSteve 23:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  you´ve cornered me now, and you´re right about the working class wishing they weren´t. I personally don´t have a problem in saying that I come from a working class background but many do.. this has also lead, in my opinion to less use of Rhyming slang. My mother used the slang Jam-jar very often, always meant when the vehicle concerned was expensive. People don´t use it anymore because it´s not "cool" or doesn´t fit in with their aspirations..   IsarSteve 23:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: rabbit on - see User Talk:NWC IsarSteve 23:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alright & Watcha! 

message: Why is it written "fɔːʔi ˈfæːzənʔ ˈfɹʌʃɪz ˈfluːˌəʊvə ˈfɔːnʔənˌiːf". No one can read that. Should be written "Fawty fahsan' frushes flew ova fawt'n eaf", or something like that.
:Yes, I agree. I bet most people cannot understand the weird alphabet that is used for pronunciation on here.—Johnbull 16:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's called International Phonetic Alphabet and is used all over Wikipedia. The pronunciation spelling you propose is not accurate enough since people with different accents would pronounce it differently, while the IPA transcription represents sounds themselves. --logixoul 20:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: En Anglais?

message: I've removed
*Chas and Dave (Chas Hodges and Dave Peacock; Cockney pop rock band, born Edmonton and Ponders End)
Chas and Dave are Londoners but if they're from Edmonton and Ponders End then they can't be considered Cockneys. Much too far north. BTLizard 09:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chas and Dave 

message: Why do people find it so hard to accept that cockneys are white english or white british born within the sound of bow bells. I gurantee if you ask any bengali or black resident in the East end they would say they themselves are not cockneys. Cockneys are white british.
No, theyre not. Many black residents of the East End consider themselves cockneys. Deeds-123
Hahahaha a cockney is a white working class inhabitant of any were in the boundries of the East End. Black haha most residents in the east end are either white or bangladeshi. Cockneys are English. simple as that.
:Huh? And all English people are white? Where have you been living for the last fifty years? Not London at any rate 125.239.233.196 20:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cockneys are white. 

message: Hi, I moved the note on Chatham docks, that was under the section on the dialect to the section on 'area'; although I'd argue that later title is contested.
A number of points for consideration:
*You can either treat 'cockney' as a dialect, or people born in a specific area - not both (At least, not both at the same time ... someone doesn't suddenly produce a glottal stop, and decide they can no longer live in Kent). A dialect has an extent of common usuage, not a sudden dropping off at small geo boundaries, like the Lee, or Thames (indeed, people for a long way around the geo core, will often speak a mixture of received english and dialect).
*I had read that the vast majority of 'city residents' in the middle ages spoke a form of cockney dialect, it's likely to be the vernacular of Chaucer - although he could switch between a number of languages with fluency. So, that extent changes over time.
*If cockney is a dialect, then the 'white criteria', some are arguing for, is plainly ridiculous. Yes, as a group white working class people are more likely to use the cockney dialect, but equally a young black kid normally speaking patois amongst their peers will drop into cockney amongst a group predominantly speaking cockney dialect. Same goes for a lot of Asians brought up in East London. It's called use of appropriate register, and we all do it to aid communication and identity.
*rhyming slang, double-speak, or market talk is just that, it's associated with the markets, and is an adoption into the cockney dialect.
*similarly, the variety of foreign words adopted by cockney shows the effect of immigration, and shows that it is a vibrant dialect that continues to change and adapt to the modern world.
*cockney is gradually being replaced throughout London by 'estuary english'. This appears to fall somewhere between cockney and received pronunciation; and also shows the extraordinary influence of Australian soaps, being typified by the rising sentence. (The sentence rises at the end, in 'english' this indicates a question).
I think there's a lot of good stuff within the current article, but our confusion about the term, and to what it is applied, or whether that's a who, or a where, even a when .. is confusing to the reader.
I think, given time, I could come up with some references, but most linguists seem to like to concentrate on the 'great vowel shift', and less contested dialects!
I hope that helps Kbthompson 09:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geographic & part critique 

message: Formerly it included the City, Bethnal Green, Stepney, Shoreditch, Whitechapel, Finsbury, and Hackney -- Quite a bit missing here, worth adding? Deeds-123 14:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bow Bells Earshot 

message: Is there an audio sample for the (authentic) dialect?
Koala man 00:51, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about this? ;) --Johnbull 02:54, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's an excellent one.  Here's another shorter one. Thegryseone (talk) 07:56, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio sample? 

message: I removed this:
:"Naturally, modern Cockneys scoff at that limitation, saying that, "The qualification is, that you are born within the area that the bells would be audible in, if they were ringing. They did not have to be ringing at the time (of birth), but if you would have been able to hear them if they were, then you qualify for the honour (of calling yourself a Cockney)."
since it does not sound like anything that ANYONE would ever say.Lfh 00:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's funny. Admittedly, I'm not a modern Cockney, but when I was reading the article a few seconds ago, it was precisely the thing that I thought I would say. :) --91.148.159.4 22:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Paradoxically, I do seem to remember reading that argument as a quote somewhere, but if it is, you are right, it should be attributed. The paragraph encapsulates a more difficult problem with the article. That is that cockney is both a dialect and a group of people. The group of people is problematic as there was both a historic definition, and a modern self-definition. The later is often conflated with coming from the 'East End', or being 'white working class' - themselves disputed terms. The way to improve the article is to disentangle these aspects, as they're only causing confusion. Kbthompson 09:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The quote may well be indicative. I don't know much about the East End but the Bow Bells story has always struck me as the kind of fanciful whimsy that may appeal to some professor in Oxford writing a book, but doesn't actually represent the views of East-Enders. But we'd need a lot more evidence to actually assert this. Lfh 12:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Bow Bells 

message: I've no idea where Johnny Depp intended to base his accent, but it certainly wasn't the East End of London. There's more Auzzie in there than My'ell End. It shouldn't be in that list without some kind of DVD-esque qualification. Matt 11:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say there was both. There's also a heck of a lot of Cockney in Aus / NZ accents. 125.239.207.41 04:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Captain Jack Sparrow? 

message: Ian Wright, a guide from the TV Series Globe Trekker, may not technically be a Cockney (from the East End of London within an earshot of the Bow Bells), but he certainly has many of the features in his speech.  It's rare to hear anyone as Cockney sounding as him these days.  Maybe he should be added to the list. 208.104.45.20 04:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ian Wright

message: It seems to my ears (I could be wrong) that the word "like" becomes monophthongal sometimes: [lɑːk].  I have heard this mainly in Jamie Oliver's speech.  He is, of course, a mockney, so he could be doing it all wrong anyway. 208.104.45.20 06:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I got a book on Cockney out of the library, which I shall use to update this article when I get a chance.  It said that "like" would have the k dropped and become "li'".  It's a bit like the word "Cockney" itself being said as "Coc'ney". Epa101 (talk) 10:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Like

message: Another feature I have observed is the vowel in words like "is".  It tends to sound more like "eez" in the speech of some people.  This is a feature of Australian English.  No coincidence there. 208.104.45.20 (talk) 20:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Similarity to Australian English

message: Can the diphthong in the word "coat" be realized as [ʌʊ] rather than [æʉ]? 208.104.45.20 (talk) 23:05, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't found anything that says anything other than .  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 04:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are there any variations on the "coat" diphthong? 

message: Let's put that wikipedia feature to use. Somebody with a cockney accent read the thing and upload it to wikipedia. assuming cockneys have access to a computer  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.93.80.5 (talk) 04:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  READ THIS ARTICLE IN A COCKNEY ACCENT 

message: I recently changed 'math' to 'maths' on the grounds that 'math' was non-British, only to find it reverted.  What meaning is being assumed for the word 'math'?  I have never heard this word used in British English.  
Martin Hogbin (talk) 09:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How is math non-British?  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 21:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, on second look I see that my dictionary says it's a US term.  I also didn't notice that "maths" is used earlier in the section.  My apologies.  Since /θ/ becomes /f/ in all environments, any word with /θ/ would do.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 05:14, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Math 

message: Some Londoners pronounce words like "didn't" and "couldn't" as something like ditton and couton  (This could be much better expressed using the IPA).  Is this considered Cockney?Martin Hogbin (talk) 09:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ditton 

message: To avoid pointless arguments on the meaning of the word Cockney, might it be an idea to reorganise the page into several sections, such as:
Cockney - People, Cockney - General London Accent, Cockney - 'True' Cockney Accent.  Martin Hogbin (talk) 09:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Page Reorganisation 

message: Does Cockney have a bad-lad split? 208.104.45.20 (talk) 00:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad–lad split

message: I've noticed that the way English people pronounce, well, England, is different from the way Americans pronounce it.  How would the English pronunciation be written phonetically? 208.104.45.20 (talk) 03:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: England

message: Someone should add Chris Difford Cool for Cats (song).  It's even got rhyming slang and a video.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geo8rge (talk • contribs) 22:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cool for Cats]] 

message: Is the Cockney and Southeastern English /aɪ/ phonetically the same as the Australian /aɪ/? Thegryseone (talk) 21:20, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the traditional Cockney accent has vowel sounds almost identical to Australian.  See this old recording from Hackney and you'll notice that it sounds very similar to Australian http://sounds.bl.uk/View.aspx?item=021M-C0908X0021XX-0100V0.xml  What separates them now are the consonants: the Cockney th-fronting and l-vocalisation.  Epa101 (talk) 16:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cockney /aɪ/ versus Australian /aɪ/ 

message: Is it just me or do the lists of Cockney Characters, Cockney People, and Cockney Performances seem a little over-large.
In addition the list of Cockney Performances seems to contain a number of Cockney characters already in the characters list. This duplication seems unnecessary 86.130.229.242 (talk) 23:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just you. :)Thegryseone (talk) 23:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem, perhaps, is that the rest of the article is comparatively short.  It could certainly do with some beefing up in some areas.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 06:19, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists too long 

message: In the older "true Cockney" accents, which is what this article seems to be about, not only is  backed, but the onset is also rounded to , according to Wells (1982b: 308, 310).  Wells calls  a "Popular London" variant.  He defines "Popular London" as the accent of suburban working-class speakers.  So according to Wells, the "true Cockney" variant is .  This realization starts to encroach on 's space, so according to Wells the onset of  is raised to  in Cockney. Thegryseone (talk) 19:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rounding of Onset of {{IPA|/aɪ/}} and Raising of Onset of {{IPA|/ɔɪ/}}

message: I don't understand why everyone thinks Cockney can only be spoken on the East End.  It seems to be much more of a working or lower class accent found all over London (maybe not "all over", but certainly not just the East End).  If you listen to this sound clip for example, you'll hear a man from Peckham.  Peckham is not in the East End, instead it is in South London, and yet he is more Cockney than anyone I have heard in my life.  It says in this article as well that most characters on the sitcom Only Fools and Horses are Cockneys, and yet that takes place where else but in Peckham.  This article also says that Snatch contains Cockney accents and yet Jason Statham who plays one of the main characters in that film and seems to speak with one of those accents, is actually from Sydenham, in south-east London.    
What are some differences between the so-called "South London" (south of the Thames) accent and "North London" accent?  I just find it annoying that locals claim to be able hear differences between the two and yet they never can describe those differences when asked.  It makes one doubt whether such differences even exist.  It's kind of like how New Yorkers claim to be able to distinguish between Bronx accents and Brooklyn accents, Irish New York accents and Italian New York accents, etc., but when asked what those differences are, they can't give you an answer.  It's all b.s. if you ask me. Thegryseone (talk) 05:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that South London and the East End did have distinct accents at one point in history.  The term "Cockney" was definitely limited to the East End originally.  I don't live in London, but I expect that the East End and South London accents have merged with time so that they are now one and the same.  The accent diversity of Britain is much less than before, and you can't locate accents as precisely anymore.  It's a similar thing up here between Lancashire and Yorkshire.  The historic rivalry means that people insist that the two have different accents, but younger people from the two counties sound the same now.  Lancs and Yorks definitely had different accents at one point in history, but will probably not for much longer.  Epa101 (talk) 11:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, that is right.  You can always tell if someone is from the north of England.  Some books on accents say that RP is spoken by some people in every part of England, but I don't think that's true.  The Oxford Dictionary has always limited RP to southern England, and I think there was a reason for that.  As regards America, I've heard that there is much less diversity, but I'm interested in the new Dictionary of American Regional English (DARE).  Epa101 (talk) 23:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I think the DARE project was partly designed to record these words before they die out; as you say, many of them are now only used by the older generation.  It was a similar thing with our Survey of English Dialects.  As regards RP, there are some people who insist that it must have the broad  in BATH; for example, John Wells (who was born in Lancashire ironically enough) marks any other form as non-RP in his Longman Dictionary.  The  in STRUT is also never heard in the northern third of the country (apart from people who have migrated from the south).  I think it's telling that all of the early sources on RP, such as Daniel Jones and the old dictionaries, confined it to the south of England.  It's only the newer analysts who claim that it can be heard anywhere.  It is true that there are many people up here who have moved from the south and kept an RP accent, but then there are also thousands of people in Bradford who speak with Pakistani accents.  I've not done a survey, but if you were to do one about accents in the north of England, I bet that the number of people who speak RP would be smaller than the number of people who speak with an Asian accent or a Polish accent.  Again, that's just my two cents' worth (an interesting American phrase).  Epa101 (talk) 10:06, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: A Few Things I Wanted to Say

message: The passage Th-fronting, L-vocalisation and T-glottalization can now be found in every county of England (with L-vocalisation being largely absent from Northern England) has four references but all four are sound clips from the Milennium Memory Bank.  Four recordings are not enough to cover every county of England, but this would still not be acceptable even if 100 recordings were used.  This is original research.  This part should be reworded to get rid of the "every county of England" and new references should be found.
I think that a reference could be found for t-glottalisation, which varies across the country but does occur everywhere.  L-vocalisation is definitely not used in the north and I don't think that it is used in the West Country either, so I think that should be scrapped.  Not sure what to say about th-fronting.  Epa101 (talk) 17:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find anything on Th-fronting in Northern England.  I can't find anything on L-vocalisation either.  However, I do have a reference for the use of a glottal stop for  in the North of England.  In A Handbook of Varieties of English it reads (on p. 128), "In the North of England, it [a glottal stop for ] is found in every urban center except Liverpool, and even here, Newbrook (1999: 97) notes glottal pronunciation of pre-consonantal and final  in West Wirral." Thegryseone (talk) 05:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research? 

message: There's a major rewrite needed - the Bow bell story is repeated in the Cockney Area section and it's all a bit confused. Anybody fancy having a go?  pablohablo. 21:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cockney Area 

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thread_title:  my poemz called were frendzzz 

message: i couldnt help but notice alot of the areas covered by the cockney accent are asian neighbourhoods. so does this mean there is some asian influence in the cockney accent?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adf2432423423 (talk • contribs) 16:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  asian