Talk:Human rights in Sudan

message: The story reflects only one point of view. It also adds more myths to facts. What I am presenting are examples, to show that the whole page needs a review.
"There also have been several reported cases of crucifixions carried out in Sudan." is entirely unsubstantiable.
*Not entirely, there have been reported cases. 
**Then citation is needed.
The number of displacements has no citations, and in fact there are two numbers (over 800,000 and 100,000).
Slavery is presented as a fact, when it is disputed by various groups. Check Slavery in Sudan. And the statement that "Enslavement persists in Sudanese society." cannot be supported by just picking an example of two, even if they were proven and if they support the indictment of the Sudanese government. Government is different from society.
*You mean the Sudanese government? 
**Ok. I need to spell out this one. The two examples are not proven in my opinion. Even if they were, this is not a proof that enslavement persists, so I don't agree with that. If enslavement does exist, which it is not, then this is (allegedly) the fault of the Sudanese government, and does not prove that enslavement persists in Sudanese society. So I did mean that the Sudanese government is different from the Sudanese society, same as everywhere else. And that the quoted statement is wrong on multiple levels.
"While nongovernmental organizations argue over how to end slavery, few deny the existence of the practice" needs a citation, and in fact there are many groups in Europe that do dispute that. May be this is a US-centric view?
*The article on Slavery in Sudan shows only the Sudanese government denying it.
**I would refer you to ESPAC among others. In fact, the article on Slavery in Sudan does mention that ESPAC is questioning this in the Fraud section. 
"(not counting those sold as forced labor in Libya)" not even alleged, after googling for it, anywhere else.
*Perhaps you missed,  
among many others.
**The first page is of course of historical interest, northern Sudanese and Turco-Egyptian traders used to do that in the 19th century in the period of Turco-Egyptian rule of Sudan. The second page is a second hand quotation from the London Observer. I wasn't able to find the direct quote. However, virtually the same quotation was done in  and the historical context is clear in this page. I agree that there used to be slavery in the 19th century, and that slaves got exported, probably to Libya at that time among other countries. If you can clarify the second quote by getting the direct one, or if you have any other pages, please give it to us, and cite them from the text.
The section on Religious Persecution doesn't have a single internet citation. "Facts" presented by Macram Max Gassis and CSI are frequently disputed, see .. And his extreme account of " ...forced conversions of Christians to Islam, concentration camps, genocide of the Nuba people, systematic rape of women, enslavement of children ..." has not been supported by other witnesses.
*The section remains undisputed at Persecution of Christians
**Yes, thanks for flagging that up for me. This is exactly the same section that I dispute here, copied without any citations. So the same logic goes for both the paragraphs here and at Persecution of Christians. Please include any citations, or citation of other witnesses, if available. Otherwise I am still disputing the section on both pages.
Reports about the situation of human rights in Sudan are frequently issued by Sudan Human Rights Organization and Amnesty International among other organizations. These usually reflect a more neutral POV than either the Sudanese government or some US organizations.
*Judging the reliability is difficult. But Amnesty is usually fairly accurate. Can you define which US organizations are good and which ones bad?
**I agree that reliability judgements are difficult. From my point of view, I agree that Amnesty is usually accurate. In my opinion, Christian Solidarity International and affiliated organizations are the ones that are circulating these claims. Of course, I cannot flag all US organizations as good/bad. But in Wikipedia, I suggest that CSI claims should be presented as claims, and other POV should be shown as well.
On another note, shouldn't the pages Slavery in Sudan and Human rights in Sudan be merged?
--Karouri 19:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
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message: I'm removing the Religious Persecution section of this article. The citations are coming from extremely questionable organizations. Their sites are here: Sudan Human Rights Organisation and Human Rights Voice. The second one sounds particularly disreputable.
All sources in the article claim to be Human Rights organizations, but all seem to be Christian front organizations with intentions of proselytization, etc.. --Kitrus 10:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious Persecution section removal 

message: Sudan wouldn't know what Human Rights were if they jumped up and bit them on the arse.  What is with Sudan?  I read the article trying to understand why arabs are invading the place and installing their religion and their religions version of law, but I still fail to understand how a country that is predominantly occupied by black african tribespeople is being run by a minority of arab islamic colonialists?  211.30.75.123 21:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More stonings.

message: I very much like the progress and information that is included in this page.  I am working on a project for my class at the University of Utah where I am creating a new page on Gender Inequality in Sudan/Women in Sudan.  This forum has provided great information on the current human rights issues and the history of Sudan. My focus will include cultural analysis and information about Sudan's low ranking on the HDI.  This will also be included in WikiProject Africa.  If you have any advice or information for me to help make this page more comprehensive I would greatly appreciate it!
Jumpinjad (talk) 03:16, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Gender Inequality in Sudan

message: I've added a short section with a single referenced, contemporary example, much more widespread documentation of the extent and severity of this phenomenon is available.Cpsoper (talk) 06:18, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Religious Persecution

message: >> Women's day event denied permission in SudanLihaas (talk) 19:27, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
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