Talk:Aminatou Haidar

message: I removed the reference, "She has a moroccan passport and she is visiting the world with her moroccan passport". What Wikipedia wants for references is an external source - newspaper article, book, etc. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. Even though there was no external source, i did not remove the fact that Ms. Haidar is a Moroccan citizen, as it seems pretty uncontroversial. (I did move it to the second paragraph.) --John_Abbe (talk) 21:23, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
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message: According to this, Ms. Haidar was born in El Aaiun in 1967. I've searched "Centre Akk-Mar" (as in the Police Report), but it doesn't seem to exist. There's an Akka in Morocco, but it seems too long a shot from "Centre Akk-Mar" to "Akka". Unless somebody disagrees, I'll change both the place and the data of birth. Jmgonzalez (talk) 00:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The photo of her passport was published on Facebook and it mentioned that she was born in Akka. In Morocco, to get a passport the moroccan authority makes it based on official documents the owner brings. The administration applies simply what it's written in these official documents. If Aminatou has a passport with Akka as her brithday place, that simply means she brought an official document mentionning Akka as her birthday place ! --Moroccansahraoui (talk) 13:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Although "Akk-Mar" in the Spanish police report reads strange, the ARSO list is no real source. The current Wikipedia text quotes (ref. 4) a report by Tomas Bárbulo in El País, a Spanish journalist covering Sahara for many years. He gives Akka as birthplace, which isn't strange at all, because the region south and east of Gulimim has been populated historically by Sahrawis, so it's not really a "long shot". Somebody had changed the given places (parents living in Tan-Tan and Aminatou born in Akka) to "Laayoune" in both cases, which made no sense at all (because Laayoune is not a "small town in former Cape Juby", whereas Tan-Tan is). The Amnesty document gives no place. So I think we should stick to Akka, which is documented by a serious newspaper and at least in some way compatible with the Spanish police form of Akk-Mar. I haven't seen the Facebook passport photo. Please don't change back without new and trustworthy sources (and add them in the text). Ilyacadiz (talk) 13:26, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place and Data of Birth 

message: This page is dealing with a lot of vandalism. -Kylelovesyou (talk) 02:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caso_Aminetu_Haidar: 26 sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aminatou_Haidar: 0 sources. 
Information in both articles differs a lot. Nothing else should be said.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.218.157.91 (talk) 14:56, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction reasons 

message: Any association that received the Nobel Prize in the world can Propose  Anyone to be nominated by The Nobel Committee. The American Friends Service Committee (Peace Nobel Prize award in 1947)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Friends_Service_Committeecan not Nominate someone to the Nobel Prize, it has only the right to propose/submit it."The right to submit proposals for the Nobel Peace Prize shall, by statute, be enjoyed by:" Nobel Prize Nomination process 
After the Nobel Prize Advisors (and not the commitee) review, they choose who should be nominated : the nominations information are kept secret for 50 years. 
There is no officiel document from the nobel Prize with Aminatu's nomination. 
--Energumene (talk) 11:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm willing to support wording proposed by you. It looks neutral and accurate enough. M0RD00R (talk) 11:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Your last modifications seems to be fair enough. Agreed.--Big Brother Maroc (talk) 13:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for Nobel Prize Nomination  

message: Currently one incident overwhelms this entire article, so I would like to propose to split Aminatou Haidar incident into the separate article the way it is done in the Spanish Wiki. M0RD00R (talk) 08:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. -Kylelovesyou (talk) 05:51, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Split proposal

message: I don't agree with your modifications about personality support. I think that it's good to have their declarations. I think that it's relevant. So I will add them using a neutral formulation. I prefer in general not to delete modifications whish were added by others untill I prove that they are mistaken...
--Freeinternetwriter (talk) 13:08, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest taking it to the WP:BLP/N to generate some sort of community consensus. Personally I do not think that emotional language by celebrities with no academic background in political science and who are not the experts in this area is encyclopedic. M0RD00R (talk) 13:23, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personality support 

message: Her passport has it as Akka . Official Spanish police document has as Akka . There is nothing more reliable then that when it comes to birth place, why should we go with the nonsense of a self-published amateur website called arso.org? --Tachfin (talk) 21:47, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd actually suggest that this information be removed until a reliable source can be found for it per Wikipedia policy. A photograph of a passport seems far less preferable than a newspaper article, etc. Khazar2 (talk) 02:16, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Found an Amnesty source that gave the same birthdate and cited it there. AI may be a bit borderline for reliable source by WP standards, but should do the job for this. Khazar2 (talk) 02:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose that, for example, if Israel assures that a palestinian was born on a place and date, you would accept it like in this case. Or we have again double standards?--HCPUNXKID (talk) 19:44, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a question of the nationalities involved, but just a question of secondary vs. primary sources. It's generally better to find a reliable secondary source than use things like photographs of passports. -- Khazar2 (talk) 22:12, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  From the three sources cited now in the text (I didn't add any), Amnesty gives no place, the Spanish police report says "Akk-mar" which is not really identifiable, but says it's Morocco, and the third one (ref 4) is a news report by Tomas Bárbulo in El País, a Spanish journalist covering Sahara for many years. He gives Akka as birthplace, which isn't strange at all, because the region south and east of Gulimim has been populated historically by Sahrawis, so it's not really a "long shot". Somebody had changed the given places (parents living in Tan-Tan and Aminatou born in Akka) to "Laayoune" in both cases, which made no sense at all (because Laayoune is not a "small town in former Cape Juby", whereas Tan-Tan is). So I think we should stick to Akka, which is documented by a serious newspaper and at least in some way compatible with the Spanish police form of Akk-Mar and also with the passport photo published by Hespress, which I wouldn't consider too reliable on its own, but El Pais is what we call a reliable secondary source. Please don't change back without new and trustworthy sources (and add them in the text). Ilyacadiz (talk) 13:43, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth place 

message: I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:
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