Talk:Kazakh language

message: Is there anywhere I could find more information on these transcription systems, e.g., how they came about?  I couldn't find anything relevant in Wikipedia articles, and Google searches led me back to Wikipedia.  I can't seem to find any relevant information.  Waynem 03:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qaydar and Jenga transcriptions 

message: This table doesn't make sense. Either there is a grammatical sketch, or there isn't. And - without knowing Kazakh - I suspect that out of the eight pronouns given in the table, two are wrong (біэ and сіэдер). Where did Garzo get those from? —Babelfisch 01:37, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal pronouns 

message: The chart of consonant phonemes seems to be missing /q/. I don't know anything about the language myself, but it's listed as the pronunciation of <Қ> at Kazakh alphabet (and contrastive with /k/), given as an example at Voiceless uvular plosive, and shown in [qɑzɑq] at the top of the article.  Are there other errors?  Needs to be checked by someone knowledgeable.  — Alan✉ 22:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  phonemes 

message: Can someone render Dayyin Bol (Be Prepared), the Scout Motto, into Kazakh Cyrillic? Thanks! Chris 15:21, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know it's been over a year, but if you need it, it is Дайын бол.  Uvula! (talk) 00:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Kazakh Scouting

message: WHY? 24.63.243.104 03:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems WikiProject Afghanistan uses a bot sometimes to tag articles. I removed it from this one. Otebig 05:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is a significant number of Kazakh speakers in Afghanistan, but it looks like no one from WikiProject Afghanistan noticed the removal or cares, so maybe it's for the best. —Firespeaker (talk) 04:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kazakh language is within the scope of WikiProject Afghanistan??? 

message: Hi, I noticed an IP added a link to this KZ language school site without any description. I've put one in, but my Russian is very basic so could someone else check this site is worth linking to? It doesn't have an English version.
http://www.tilashar.kz/
— FIRE!in a crowded theatre... 18:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tilashar language learning site 

message: There's an error in the phonology section. I'm a Qazaq, and I know that ғ is pronounced ɣ (voiced velar fricative), not G (voiced uvular plosive). Our Language has only one uvular plosive, it is voiceless.
Sorry for my bad English.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.46.75.43 (talk) 10:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've studied the basics of Kazakh with native speakers and as a linguist, I feel that there is some variation in the sound.  First, it sounds to me that ғ is a uvular fricative rather than a velar one.  Which is also more logical, considering that қ (uvular) is the form of к that you see before back vowels.  Therefore the back-vowel form of г should also be uvular.  Also, there are instances where the letter sounds more like a plosive than a fricative, particularly after ң, like in the word ыңғайлы.  Wow, this website is the bee's knees! (talk) 20:52, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is correct.  ‹ғ› is pronounced as a uvular fricative normally, and is a uvular stop after other stops, including nasals. —Firespeaker (talk) 04:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonology 

message: It would be interesting to see a section of the article comparing the use and demographics of Kazakh speakers vs. Russian speakers living in Kazakhstan.  Uvula! (talk) 00:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Kazakh vs. Russian in Kazakhstan 

message: Could someone say what the source is of the information on tense, aspect and mood? I am living in Kazakhstan and learning Kazakh, and I find the descriptions of the aspectual meanings of the auxiliaries (тұру жүру отыру жатыру) interesting, but they do not correspond to the Russian-language descriptions I have access to, or the witness of my language informants. Is this description of the aspectual differences widely accepted in the English-language literature? In any case, some inline citations would be helpful. Harlandski (talk) 17:54, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tense, aspect and mood 

message: Is the Kazakh language mutually intelligible with Turkish? --77.178.146.66 (talk) 21:21, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: To some extent, especially if people talk slowly, rather like the Romance and German languages are.  — kwami (talk) 03:37, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Germanic, surely. --Thnidu (talk) 07:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I meant German, as in the many mutually unintelligible varieties of Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. — kwami (talk) 17:01, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kazakh = mutually intelligible with Turkish? 

message: The phonetic section says “The 18 consonant phonemes listed by Vajda are in bold” – but they are not. --78.104.174.15 (talk) 07:50, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phoneme inventory 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: ...have failed to get the message; they're still using Cyrillic as their default, and the Latin setting is the outdated alphabet used briefly during the Soviet era. KMF (talk) 04:23, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Our main page blurb says the change will be phased in over eight years, maybe that explains it.  Neutron (talk) 20:27, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  And the Kazakh WMF projects... 

message: FYI, the WikiProject Kazakhstan RfC Should Kazakhstan article names follow current transliteration rules? discusses the naming of Kazakhstan articles in the context of the announced governmental switch from Cyrillic to Latin scripts. Batternut (talk) 08:18, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Kazakhstan article names follow current transliteration rules? 

message: At the moment Qazaqsa is an article apparently about the use of the Latin script for Kazakh. I take it for granted (though one new editor has disagreed) that we don't need a separate article at this stage: the content is already present at Kazakh alphabets. The question, however, is whether Qazaqsa should redirect there or to Kazakh language (as apparently this is the name of the language). Any opinions? – Uanfala (talk) 00:46, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That whole article is just wrong. Qazaqsa is not even the proper title, because it's misspelled and it means something else. I added my thoughts and my vote here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Qazaqsa Selerian (talk) 21:56, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qazaqsa 

message: Here, in the enwiki, just like in many other wikis, the IPA transcription of the Cyrillic "Іі" is shown to be /ɪ/, which is false, and easily proveable to be incorrect (I'd include examples, however Wikipedia hates YouTube links). The closest, most accurate sound in the IPA I could find is the /ɘ/ sound. I'd say something similar is happening to "Ұұ" being /o̙/ and not /ʊ/. I hope this misleading mistake will be fixed and thanks for your attention.
Malik Nursultan B (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The whole IPA chart for vowels and some consonants seems strange. Ы is definitely not schwa, і is not /ɪ/, ж and ш aren't dj and tsh in the literary norm, only in dialects. 37.99.47.18 (talk) 11:27, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong IPA transliterations of the Cyrillic "[[Dotted I (Cyrillic)|Іі]]" and "[[Kazakh Short U|Ұұ]]" 

message: Seriously, Qazaq has ş and j which represent sh and French j respectively. Ч (ç?) is in loanwords from Russian only, the same with dj (дж) Pierro shirathar (talk) 14:30, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who thinks that ж is zh and дж is j??? 

message: The vowel chart shows an open, central vowel written ⟨ө/ö⟩ in Cyrillic/Latin, with the IPA value /ɵ/ – but IPA /ɵ/ is close-mid, not open, so this is clearly not correct. If /ɵ/ were the actual phoneme, this vowel should be placed above /ə/ ⟨ы/y⟩, not below it. I’m assuming the fact that the Cyrillic letter is virtually identical to the IPA symbol has caused an incorrect IPA transcription, but what is the actual pronunciation then? Kokoshneta (talk) 11:49, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  ‘Open’ ɵ?