Talk:Sambo (racial term)

message: A book of mine makes references to sambos and sallies. I get the feeling sambo might be a term to describe black males  while sallies might describe black females. Thoughts?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.165.134 (talk) 01:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Male or Female

message: The book is said to have been published in 1898.   The American Civil War ended in 1865.  Thus, either the book was not the origin of this slur, or the slur did not originate immediately after the civil war.   Thus the reason for the previous edit.
10:56, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Slur

message: I am removing the reference to "Uncle" as a racial pejorative.  Not for factuality - it's true that "Uncle" exists in a pejorative sense, and (I'll assume) it does coincide with the word Zambo in Foula and Spanish.  The problem is that it implies a relationship that doesn't have adequate support.  Are we saying that "Uncle" picked up the pejorative connotation from "Zambo" or was it the other way around?  It seems the connection has been repeated often enough that it's taken at face value.   Other than those which repeat the passing mention of the coincidence, is there any documentation of the relationship?  I've looked, and I can't find any.   Thus, unless someone can show some, this section should be left out.  The facts are damning enough without adding unsupported implications.    
10:56, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncle

message: In Japan, the "Sambo" depiction of people of African ancestry is still used in newspaper cartoons, manga, and anime. In the popular manga and anime Dragonball Z, the character known as "Mr. Popo" is an overweight black genie with absurdly pouty red lips.
It says "still used" but Dragon Ball and its characters are 22 years old, are there any more recent examples?
**Mr. Popo and that Jinx creature from Pokemon are not good examples of Sambo used in Japan as neither are human characters. Perhaps a better example should be used from Japanese media. If I find one I will post it here. Maphisto86 00:50, June 18 2006 (UTC)
***Not "human", but are still modeled on the golliwog/sambo archetype and was/is offensive to black people as there was controversy raised about both characters in the U.S. . Nevertheless, I added a link to a PSA for Earthquake survival in Tokyo (made in 2005) and posted the cover art.  As offensive as the cover is, the inside is worse, and I invite you to peruse the .pdf link. Neoyamaneko
:Jinx was only controversial because Americans don't have the Kogal subculture (nor is it particularly widely known about in the U.S.), and hence automatically assumed it was an imitation of blackface. Anybody remotely familiar with urban Japanese youth culture would instantly recognize Jinx as a rather obvious visual reference to a particular sub-group of kogals, who try to maintain a very dark tan alongside heavy makeup and sometimes wild hair colors as part of their fashion "look". Try reading Gals! (a manga about kogals) sometime, you'll see what I mean. I cannot comment on Mr.Popo, though - he does not appear to be a kogal reference (heck, I don't even know if the kogal subculture existed then), but I'm also not a DBZ fan and don't know the history of the character or anything.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.21.76.80 (talk) 19:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese manga/anime depictions 

message: I just changed this in the first paragraph to 'Black person' (though I know that's a bit clumsy - Perhaps someone could word it better).
It's not just used for African Americans (unfortunately). I just saw it in an old British film referring to a black person, and wanted to check on Wikipedia if it had always been a slur or if it had had some real meaning in the past. I think it was a very common slur in the early/middle 20th century.
:I agree with you.  Unfortunately, someone has changed it back to "African American".  I have a hard time believing anyone who actually slings this term around is concerned with what nation their target has citizenship with.
::I just expanded it a bit -- in hopes of making it acceptable to all... BCorr|Брайен 16:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe in the UK, "black person" means someone of sub-Saharan African ancestory OR someone of Southeast Asian ancestory.  In the US, it only means the former, and I don't believe the term sambo is commonly, if ever applied to someone of SE Asian ancestory in the US. 98.221.133.96 (talk) 12:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  African American? 

message: I have removed the POV title as sambo ios certainly anything but a racial slur where I live. If you can source it is a racial slur that is fine but poving in the title is absolutely not on in wikipedia. sdad people who think a mixture of black and indian is a racial slur, that labelling is what strikes me as the racial slur, SqueakBox 19:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: Somebody suggested that the section on Little Black Sambo be merged with the full article Little Black Sambo. I'm not sure why anyone would want to do that since it is relevant and gives a context to the word Sambo. I'm removing the suggested merge and replacing it with a main article link. Same goes for the suggested merge with the article BlackfaceAppleCyder 23:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge suggestion 

message: :Image:Mr Popo photo.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Mr Popo photo.jpg

message: :Image:Tokyogolliwog.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Tokyogolliwog.jpg

message: What with a lot of focus being on the use of the N-word, one hardly ever hears the term "sambo" in an offensive sense. Being called Sam, I grew up with the nickname Sambo and was only made aware of its racial connotations after having had the nickname for a long while. I still get called it every now and again (in church last week for example) and I'm not too sure that many people know about its origins. Is there any research into its current use (at least in the UK, where I am)? --El Pollo Diablo (Talk) 14:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: How much is this still used as a racial term?

message: Sourced and stiking to the "Imagery" section, doesn't say that she actuallt said it but that it is *attributed* to her : what's the problem ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.242.232.81 (talk) 22:47, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources are not reliable and the whole thing falls under WP:BLP. We cannot add that into this article as it is guilt by association. This is inflammatory and as such cannot be included in this article. Please discuss it over at Talk:Sarah Palin if you think it should be included there, but let me make it clear, it won't be included over there either. It simply is not relevant to this term, nor is it reliably sourced. Do not re-add it or it will be deleted and you will be blocked. Woody (talk) 22:50, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Per Wikipedia's policy on living persons, we can't include potentially defamatory information that's this poorly sourced, even using weasel words like 'attributed'.  -- Vary | Talk 23:17, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

text: The issue is that it's what we call a coatrack. I personally am of the opinion that there may well be a place for that comment in Wikipedia. But that place would be in the Sarah Palin article, or a child article of it. To include it in this article would be including mention of each time a famous person has been in trouble for using the word Nigger in said article. If it's their controversy, it should be in their article. If there is controversy about someone famous attending a strip club or using the services of a prostitute, then it should be in their articles or sub articles, rather than having all their controversies scattered all over the encyclopedia, you know? Does that help explain why this article isn't the right place for it? 88.104.197.200 (talk) 03:14, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Governor Palin's attributed comment

message: The article is incoherent in that it separately suggests 3 different origins as the sole source of the term: zambo (africa via modification in spanish, sambo's grave (a name, presumably directly from africa), and Shambhu (India). Although one editor has acknowledged that separate sources have probably arrived at the same word, this possibility is ignored and contradicted in most of the article. I probably haven't explained the problem too well, but read the article through and you will see how messy it is. There are other similar problems that I can't even be bothered to go into. Would some rewriting be acceptable? Melaena (talk) 16:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes etymology is unclear.  That's life.  Although I didn't read "sambo's grave" as bearing on the etymology of "sambo". --Michael C. Price talk 16:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Solved 1/2 the problem by rewriting Sambo's grave.--Michael C. Price talk 18:40, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Incoherent

message: This article HAS TO address the African American Stereotype of Sambo. The Stereotypes of African Americans page links this page, but the stereotype ans SIGNIFICANCE is not discussed here. See the page mentioned above (basically a 'happy slave') and yes I realize this needs to be expanded and reworded. It is one of the better known stereotypes (at least in the US) so I feel that it needs to be at least mentioned. Cunnirya000 (talk) 00:59, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: African American Stereotype

message: This doesn't seem appropriate:
"The name does not seem to have acquired the intentional, open derogatory connotation until the first half of the 20th century."
After the previous paragraph explained the origin of the word as "monkey" or "bow-legged". Sounds derogatory to me.
75.71.177.72 (talk) 16:59, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology and usage edit 

message: "The Royal Spanish Academy gives the origin from a Latin word, possibly the adjective valgus"
How on earth is the word "sambo" supposed to be derived from "valgus"? With only one letter in common, it seems that that would require some explaining. --217.239.2.184 (talk) 21:24, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology II