Talk:All-Star Final Vote

message: All charts count seasons (including the current one) in which the player has appeared in a major league game.  Other definitions of experience would entail original research.  Official years of major league service and determining rookie year would require original research.  Both would entail research beyond simply going to www.baseball-reference.com and counting years, which by some definitions might even be considered original research. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM)  17:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you mean by "original research."  Major League Baseball has a strict definition of what constitutes a "rookie year."  There are minimum plate appearances and/or innings pitched to qualify as a full season both for MLBPA purposes and "rookie" purposes.  For example, Jonathan Papelbon pitched for the Red Sox in 2005, but did not pitch enough innings to qualify as having a full year's service.  Ergo, 2006 is considered is rookie season.  Furthermore, if we're talking about Japanese exports, their previous experience in other leagues have no bearing on MLB in terms of being a rookie or accruing MLBPA benefits. gaillimhConas tá tú? 22:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Experience

message: As a Red Sox fan, I'm a little shocked that there currently no pictures of Red Sox players in the whole article.  Three of the sixth winners of the AL final vote were Red Sox at the time. You have a picture of Damon, but he's wearing a Yankees uniform, a little odd considering he was elected in 2002 but didn't suit up for the yankees until 2005.
Also not sure if you mentioned that the final vote is now for the 32nd spot.  Thanks, Pats Sox Princess 16:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally didn't see the pictures of Varitek or Okajima.  But I still think Damon should be in a Sox uniform.  And Nomar should be wearing a Dodgers uniform, not a Red Sox one (he was a member of the Dodgers when he was voted in).  Pats Sox Princess 16:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Year	Player           	Team                 	Position        	Prior Experience(All Star/Seasons)
    	American League  	American League      	American League 	American League
2002	Johnny Damon     	Boston Red Sox       	Center fielder  	(0/8)
2003	Jason Varitek    	Boston Red Sox       	Catcher         	(0/7)
2004	Hideki Matsui    	New York Yankees     	Left fielder    	(1/2)
2005	Scott Podsednik  	Chicago White Sox    	Outfielder      	(0/5)
2006	A. J. Pierzynski 	Chicago White Sox    	Catcher         	(1/9)
2007	Hideki Okajima   	Boston Red Sox       	Relief pitcher  	(0/1)
    	National League  	National League      	National League 	National League
2002	Andruw Jones     	Atlanta Braves       	Center fielder  	(1/7)
2003	Geoff Jenkins    	Milwaukee Brewers    	Left fielder    	(0/6)
2004	Bobby Abreu      	Philadelphia Phillies	Right fielder   	(0/9)
2005	Roy Oswalt       	Houston Astros       	Starting pitcher	(0/5)
2006	Nomar Garciaparra	Los Angeles Dodgers  	First baseman   	(5/11)
2007	Chris Young      	San Diego Padres     	Starting pitcher	(0/4)
Year	Player          	Team             	Position       	Prior Experience(All Star/Seasons)	Player           	Team                 	Position        	Prior Experience(All Star/Seasons)
    	American League 	American League  	American League	American League                   	National League  	National League      	National League 	National League
2002	Johnny Damon    	Boston Red Sox   	Center fielder 	(0/8)                             	Andruw Jones     	Atlanta Braves       	Center fielder  	(1/7)
2003	Jason Varitek   	Boston Red Sox   	Catcher        	(0/7)                             	Geoff Jenkins    	Milwaukee Brewers    	Left fielder    	(0/6)
2004	Hideki Matsui   	New York Yankees 	Left fielder   	(1/2)                             	Bobby Abreu      	Philadelphia Phillies	Right fielder   	(0/9)
2005	Scott Podsednik 	Chicago White Sox	Outfielder     	(0/5)                             	Roy Oswalt       	Houston Astros       	Starting pitcher	(0/5)
2006	A. J. Pierzynski	Chicago White Sox	Catcher        	(1/9)                             	Nomar Garciaparra	Los Angeles Dodgers  	First baseman   	(5/11)
2007	Hideki Okajima  	Boston Red Sox   	Relief pitcher 	(0/1)                             	Chris Young      	San Diego Padres     	Starting pitcher	(0/4)
Year	Player          	Team           	Pos.           	Experience(All Star/Seasons)	Player           	Team           	Pos.           	Experience(All Star/Seasons)
    	American League 	American League	American League	American League             	National League  	National League	National League	National League
2002	Johnny Damon    	BOS            	CF             	(0/8)                       	Andruw Jones     	ATL            	CF             	(1/7)
2003	Jason Varitek   	BOS            	C              	(0/7)                       	Geoff Jenkins    	MIL            	LF             	(0/6)
2004	Hideki Matsui   	NYY            	LF             	(1/2)                       	Bobby Abreu      	PHI            	RF             	(0/9)
2005	Scott Podsednik 	CHW            	OF             	(0/5)                       	Roy Oswalt       	HOU            	SP             	(0/5)
2006	A. J. Pierzynski	CHW            	C              	(1/9)                       	Nomar Garciaparra	LAD            	1B             	(5/11)
2007	Hideki Okajima  	BOS            	RP             	(0/1)                       	Chris Young      	SD             	SP             	(0/4)
In the case of this table, I have to agree that a side-by-side format feels slightly more appropriate. The abbreviated one seems the most appropriate, since the fullone is completely overbearing. Maybe with centering the "experience" columns? Circeus 19:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  formatting (return to side-by-side) 

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message: *The lone asterisk after Chicago Cubs in the "History" section is not explained. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: This is a featured list, but clearly doesn't meet the criteria any longer. I almost listed this for removal right now, but maybe we can improve it to keep it featured? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:41, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
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