Talk:Eve Online/Archive 10

message: I've just finished reading Goon's latest reply, http://goonfleet.com/reply_to_CCP.html , and it contains information that should be included somehow. The only problem I see is how to fit it in without completely cluttering that current section. TIinPA 14:50, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The way I see it, this newest letter isn't too terribly important. Most of it is reminding CCP they didn't answer all the questions. I guess the thing to do is wait and see if CCP responds to this letter directly. Your right in that the question really is "When does a letter become important enough for an encyclopedia?".
Whinging is not encyclopedic and Wikipedia is not a soapbox for a group of MMOG players. At best this material should be condensed and given a bullet point in the "criticism and controversy" section where some much more media-worthy subjects are mentioned; which is what will happen in time anyway. Wiki-Ed 17:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth, Arkanon replied to the reply  here.   This probably needs to get integrated into the article somehow, but I need to detox my brain after reading about 230 pages, 20 posts apiece, dealing with this.  Plus I read Kugu's entire site.  Send isk and/or cookies ASAP.  Jouster  (whisper) 21:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're a bit late on that. I've already added a snippet about it at the end of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVE_Online#The_Goonswarm_Open_Letter.2C_May.2C_2007 . Feel free to improve it though if you feel that it's not enough. Uzza 20:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So I noted, good call.  Do we want to reference the NYTimes article?  Seems very a propos next to the description of the IA team, plus Hilmar has a great quote in that article.  Jouster  (whisper) 21:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be included as doing such a thing would be something mayor that have, as far as I know, never been done before with a company like CCP. Uzza 18:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Goons Reply to CCP's Investigation

message: How is CCP hiring an economist to study the economy notable? Why is it important or informative for the article? How do we know other MMO companies havent hired or employed economists before(re dark shikari's reason)? What makes them hiring an economist more notable than them hiring any other sort of employee? --89.100.1.161 01:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: might be an idea if you let people answer this before removing the information. We can't reach a consensus if we can't see what it is! --The internet is serious business 01:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that one of the major features of EVE is it's economy, and that there has been coverage of its economy in magazines and such, id say its fairly notable.Piuro 08:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a unique and innovative step for an MMO; there have been no obvious public statements from any of the other MMOs to the effect that they were taking the internal economy of game mechanics seriously to the extent of appointing a full time economist, and given the structure and significance of economics within the game mechanics, it has to represent a serious intention to address economic balancing within game, something which other games have yet to begin to contemplate let alone address. Sjc 09:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Economist]]

message: If we are talking about Linux we should add a section explaining what the status of a Mac client is.  I believe CCP announced plans to release a Mac client through Transgaming's Cider.
I remember something about a probable future Mac client but I haven't heard specifics regarding them actively working with Transgaming to make this a reality. At this point short of Transgaming users figuring out how to get it to run on Mac I don't think a Mac client is going to happen in the near future. If I weren't at work right now I would reference the two or three threads talking about this. (Yay for Websense!) --Wootonius 16:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Status of Mac client?

message: I was wondering if it would be possible to include a section about the player community and the annual Fanfest?  Or do you guys think that should be a separate article?
Martinj63 23:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As it stands the article is about 49KB of readable prose long, as per Wikipedia Guidelines on Article Length large sections should probably be split off. That said if you feel that you can write a peice that is sufficently notable and well referenced I am sure it would be a welcome addition to the article and/or Wikipedia. -- Richard Slater (Talk to me!) 07:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion of the article?  

message: EVE Intergalactic Bank scam, in which one player encouraged others to invest in-game currency in a banking scheme before disappearing with, allegedly, 700 billion ISK. The only supporting evidence to prove its legitimacy comes in the form of a screenshot. The perpetrator of the scam, a character named "Dentara Rast", has been known to fake screenshots in the past and his alternate character Kieli Rast offered a screenshot faking service after the scam. CCP have been careful not to comment on the actual figure stolen. The perpetrator was later banned for attempting to sell the isk for cash.
I have tidied up the EIB Scam bullet point in the criticism section, however there are a couple of issues:
# As far as I can tell the this link establishes a list between Cally and Dentra, but not between Dentra and Kieli. From the text of the later screenshot reference suggests that Kieli is indeed Dentra/Cally, but there is noting to explicitly cover this.
# The paragraph does not cite sources for either Dentra fakeing screenshots in the past or the faked screenshot itself. I have added  tags to the paragraph.
I am going to hunt around a bit see if I can't find some references, if anyone else has information please chip in, even if you don't want to edit the main article post in here and I will include the references. Richard Slater (Talk) 18:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EIB Scam 

message: I cant't see how reference 85 shows, that 'the perpetrator later got banned'. Maybe it got edited out in the referenced thread?
Wei Xiwu 20:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: False Reference?

message: If it's okay with everyone I will go ahead with the streamlining the controversy and criticism section of the article. This will eliminate much of the Goonswarm "fandom" and make the article much more Encyclopedic. 
Martinj63 21:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proceeding with streamlining  the Controversy and criticism sections 

message: Streamlining and removal of the multitude of links in the Developer misconduct section has been completed. While these changes will no doubt be controversial the article no longer sounds like a fandom piece for Goonswarm.
Martinj63 02:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Streamlining completed 

message: Richard thanks for reinserting the references I wasn't quite sure how to do that. This was my first revision and I was a bit apprehensive about it.
Martinj63 20:17, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank you Richard 

message: Removed a couple of biased terms in criticisms section. This article truly needs to be placed in semi protection due to the near constant addition of negative and pro Goonswarm additions.   
Martinj63 02:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor edit of Criticisms    

message: Like many other gmae articles this one needs a reception one would think.
A good refference for that would be here: http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/430571.asp?q=eve%20online
Stabby Joe 17:33, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception?