Talk:Post-punk revival

message: Going to wait awhile and see who can justify the use of the word "angular" in this article where it appears. Then I'm going to come back here and remove it because it's nonsense. Gabriel Arthur Petrie (talk) 16:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Gabriel Arthur Petrie - the word is still there! ;-) . Ha. Like you, I wasn't sure what it meant, so looked it up: , , . It seems to mean music that jumps around, or goes in different directions, or is jagged, or changes tempo. Essentially, music that has angles rather than music that is smooth. SilkTork (talk) 17:20, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Define "Angular" Or Don't Use It 

message: It seems most of this article was written well before the actual decline of the subgenre, before it was able to be viewed in hindsight. Furthermore, the article is conflating post-punk inspired bands with all indie rock of the early/mid 00s. Post-punk revival was never that broad. It was primarily defined by the "darker" influence of the progenitors of late 70s/early 80s post-punk and gothic rock bands as a launching point, specifically Joy Division. For example, Interpol received many comparisons to Joy Division due to Paul Banks' vocal style and guitar tones, while the White Stripes and The Strokes were considered more of a garage rock band. Bands like Editors (at least their early material) were considered in the darker vein of Joy Division-influenced bands as well, but bands like Bloc Party were not. The article also points to the decline around 2007, while completely ignoring the popular resurgence of post-punk revival bands from 2007-2009 such as The Bravery, She Wants Revenge, The Cinematics, White Lies, and so forth, who integrated darker tones and aesthetic styles from the original post-punk movement. The first sentence of the article describes alternate terms for the subgenre, yet each term seems to describe a separate musical style. Therefore there needs to be further divergence between these subgenres, with post-punk revival being described as more influenced by gothic rock, while the rest can be classified as subgenres of indie rock, garage rock, new wave, etc. 70.79.59.95 (talk) 20:00, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You are conflating post-punk and gothic rock, which, while intersecting, are not at all synonyms. The latter is just one element of post-punk. In any case, the post-punk revival was certainly not solely or even primarily defined by the darker/JD-influenced element. Here's the most relevant sentence on that: "Music critic Simon Reynolds noted that bands like the Rapture and Franz Ferdinand were influenced by the more angular strain of post-punk, particularly bands such as Wire and Gang of Four." While personally I love the Interpol/Editors style of post-punk, it wasn't the most common at that time. If anything, the funkier Gang of Four-influenced pool of bands in the early to mid-'00s was the largest one, both in the UK and NYC.Greg Fasolino (talk) 15:24, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm talking in terms of the "revival" aspect taking cues from gothic rock, in particular the wave in the later 00s (the bands I mentioned above as well as Blank Dogs, Crystal Stilts, The Horrors, later Interpol albums). There was no movement referred to as "gothic rock revival" in the 00s, though the style would make the term more appropriate for the sounds it spawned. The key bands in the original wave of post-punk that inspired these bands had far more crossover with gothic rock - although gothic rock wasn't called as such when Joy Division and Siouxsie were gaining popularity; it wasn't until Bauhaus made the gothic elements more prominent that the rest. But Joy Division is the most prominent comparison with the era I'm referring to, which the article doesn't cover. 70.79.59.95 (talk) 21:38, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Conflation

message: Sure, the genre saw a revival, but is it really accurate to call the genre “revival” when it’s really the same genre as post punk? Like black midi isn’t a post punk revival band… it’s a post punk band. 2603:6010:11F0:3C0:E1C8:76F5:1BB2:6403 (talk) 17:19, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There are sources in the article that refer to it as such Andre🚐 19:27, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: But many other sources in the article, and within their respective Wikipedia articles, also refer to them simply as post-punk. I’ve not seen where it’s specifically called a genre, rather than calling the bands part of the movement. If it has the same elements as post punk, it doesn’t make sense to me (and based on the sources where they’re simply called “post-punk”) to label it a revival when it’s a long lasting continuum the same as punk is when it evolved and had numerous revivals.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6010:11F0:3C0:6004:6D03:C008:EDA6 (talk) 00:38, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post punk as a continuum 

message: The current version of the arcticle isn't great, I think It would be much better to salvage what is good from the article and start a fresh the section on post-punk revival/garage rock revival on the indie rock page seems much better written and would in my opinon be a good starting point for this article (providing the sourced material is accurate). Obviously this is a big change and an agreement of mutiple users would seem necessary. 
Also as a side note I think the section about the "Post-Brexit New Wave" would be better suited to the actual post-punk arcticle as it is a revival that genre rather than the post-punk influenced indie rock that post-punk revival is. OBLIVIUS (talk) 17:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please observe WP:PRESERVE. Incremental changes are preferred to a rewrite unless there's an issue of a copyvio or unreferenced material. And please substantiate with sources. Andre🚐 18:10, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Understandable, might just incorporate the sources from the indie rock article to this one, without drastically removing parts of the article. OBLIVIUS (talk) 20:01, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems good. Andre🚐 23:31, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article in need of a re-write