Talk:Appeal of 18 June

message: the correct link to "Original version in french:" seams to be : (that's the link that is on the french page)
http://sources.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appel_du_18_juin
Almost no one heard it. Although BBC could be received in France, very few people listened to it at this time (even its french-speaking programme). Add to that the fact that many people were on the roads, and that radio receivers were not portable devices... However, the Appeal was printed in most french newspapers the later day as his text was relayed by the news agency Havas.
--I went to the link above and it seems to have moved.  The new link is http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Appel_du_18_juin Maltodextrin 00:48, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

message: "It has been suggested that this article or section be merged with Charles de Gaulle." Please leave this as a separate article.  Thank you.  Mkpumphrey (talk) 16:32, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger with Charles de Gaulle

message: The sketch is somewhat unfortunate because it makes De Gaulle look almost exactly like Adolf Hitler. --Mathew5000 20:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illustration 

message: The article implies that the speech was heard in France at 7 pm local time. Is that correct, or was it broadcast by De Gaulle at 7 pm London time? Either way, it should be made explicit in the article. --Mathew5000 20:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a look at the corresponding French Wikipedia article Appel du 18 juin; it says that De Gaulle's speech was recorded at 6pm on June 18th and broadcast at 10pm, then rebroadcast the next day at 4pm. It does not specify time zones. It also mentions another speech De Gaulle gave on June 22, which was heard more widely in France. Hopefully somebody can find a reliable source and either correct the English article or correct the French article. --Mathew5000 20:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the UK and France were then using the same time zones - Western European Time is ambiguous on this point. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:33, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The article now says that 10PM BST (GMT+1) was 8PM Paris. That could not have been the case as France was either also on GMT+1 at that point, or on GMT+2 which Northern France moved to in Summer 1940, although I suspect it hadn’t happened at that point. Either way, it wouldn’t have been GMT-1 which a time 8PM would have implied. NotMuchToSay (talk) 21:09, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time zone 

message: Current version of the article states, "despite the British Cabinet's efforts to block the broadcast". The article Free French Forces says "Some of the British Cabinet had attempted to block the speech" which surely is more correct. But neither article says why there was opposition within the Cabinet. If a reliable source can be found to explain that, it should be put in the article. --Mathew5000 20:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was because they were worried that it might provoke Petain to hand over the French fleet to the fascists and wanted to avoid anything potentially inflammatory. I've added a ref to this effect. Badgerpatrol 11:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was British cabinet opposed to the speech? 

message: Hello i'm french and i see some error : 
The appeal is the origin of the French Resistance to the German occupation.
The french communist resistants for exeample fight when Germany attack URSS. But this appeal is certainly the origin of the Free French Forces.
General de Gaulle was the de facto leader of the Free French Forces which had escaped to London in World War II.
De Gaulle went to London to ask help, Petain signed the armistice on  June 15, 1940 , De Gaulle make his speech the 18, but the Free French Forces was founded later.
Moreover, I don't know if the difference between the Free French Forces and the resistance is understanding. The resistance was various group and  all don't recognize De Gaulle as the leader, it's Jean Moulin who had unified the group and ,only after this unification, De Gaulle became the leader of resitance( 1942-1943).
I hope you understand what i mean. Rémi Thevenoux. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.214.162.136 (talk) 23:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some error 

message: When did de Gaulle give his famous "France has lost a battle. But France has not lost the war!" line?  I always thought it was in this speech.  Was it actually in a different radio address? Funnyhat 04:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not from a speech but from the London Poster: http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/L’Affiche_de_Londres?match=en
Awien (talk) 01:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "La France a perdu une bataille..." 

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message: In the § Context it says:
 ...the British Cabinet's objections that such a broadcast could provoke the Pétain
 government into a closer allegiance with Germany.The Guardian, "A Mesmerising Oratory", 29 April 2007.
I quote the synonyms for each from Wiktionary:
allegiance:
 fidelity, loyalty, adherence
alliance:
 (union by relationship in qualities): connection, affinity, union
 (act of allying): union
 (persons or parties allied): coalition, league, confederation, team (informal)
I respectfully suggest that alliance would more accurately convey the relationship between Das Reich and l'État français (commonly called "Vichy.") Dick Kimball (talk) 13:27, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegiance vs. Alliance 

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message: Is there a transcript of the speech of June 22nd, the one that was heard all over the world? Valetude (talk) 00:10, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The later speech 

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message: Am I not correct in noting that Vichy France did not exist at this time? 
So saying "Broadcasted to Vichy France" is incorrect, no? I've changed it to France (the third republic) instead.  Techyo12 (talk) 11:27, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  France, not Vichy France.