Talk:Albanian National Awakening

message: The source of this article is presumably more or less impartial, therefore I think we should check the claims that it is POV.
The third paragraph of the Balkan Wars section makes an incorrect claim.  There was not a  majority or even sizable population of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo in 1913.  Ethnic Albanians moved to the region notably during the first and second world wars.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.176.47.203 (talk) 21:37, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: The term Renaissance (rebirth) links to movements related to art and higher education, but til now it is not related with nations and national awakening. When i first saw the term 'Albanian Renaissance' I thought there was a movement of higher art and thought in the region in Albania (the term links to Da Vinci anyway). Is there any reliable source stating that the article's title  really is really relevant with the content.Alexikoua (talk) 04:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, national revival or national awakening are more common.--Mladifilozof (talk) 20:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Renaissance

message: What deos "Albanian Vilayets" mean? Also, I would like to give credits to the writer of this article - it's perfectly written. However, I fail to see the relevance of a whole section on the Kosovo question that goes indeep to history of Kosovo (going even to the medieval ages?). --PaxEquilibrium 21:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I am adding some references. Please feel free to work more on editing based on the links I provided. Bests Aigest (talk) 16:33, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  References  

message: "In 1912, with the outbreak of the First Balkan War, the Albanians rose up and declared the creation of an independent Albania, which included what are now Albania and Kosovo."
This sentence is exact copy of one text written not by historician but by expert in politics, almost 100 years after the event, and can not be used as suitable source for the text of the article.
Albanian Declaration of Independence says nothing about borders of Albania, therefore I propose to delete:
"which included what are now Albania and Kosovo". 
--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are actually wrong. In summer 1912 Albania was declared a unique vilayet and was inclusive of Kosovo. As such it declared its independence. Please see what regions were representing the Albanian leaders in the Albanian Declaration of Independence. --Sulmues (talk) 15:18, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

text: The Albanian unique vilayet, formed by the four prior ones, was requested in 1878 and repeatedly in May-August 1912 during the Albanian Revolt of 1912. It was never obtained by the Ottomans, although something very dark was written in an official document dated 23 August 1912 by the Ottoman government and signed by Hasan Prishtina from the Albanian side. It was a cease-the-hostilities though. The borders of Albania as declared were never delineated but they were the borders of the four vilayets as you can tell from the regions represented by the delegates to the Declaration: Such regions included Ochrid, Struga, Kosovo, Yanina, Chameria. --Sulmues (talk) 00:21, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

text: I have hard copies of books of history of Albania, so I would need to scan, but sooner or later I'll write articles about the Albanian Revolts of 1910-1912. Let's not make a confusion: Sanjak, Plav and Gusinje were part of Serbia before that 23 July 1912, so that's why the Albanians gave up on those lands on 28 November 1912. The current Albanian government doesn't make any claims on Chameria, Western Macedonia or Kosovo, so the occupation of Albania is over. So seems to be claiming the Greek govt for that matter (that Albania doesn't hold a current "occupation" on Northern Epirus)--Sulmues (talk) 19:08, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

text: Here is a link that claim that it is Natural Albania that was founded by Ismail Qemali on November 28, 1912. and never recognized by anyone. What about scanned documents with dark writing you Sulmues promised? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:52, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rising up of Albanians and definition of albanian borders in declaration of independence. 

message: "Balkan allies-the Serbs, Bulgarians, and Greeks.."
It is wrong to write nations instead of countries that were allied. Therefore above mentioned sentence should be changed to countries and include Montenegro. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:37, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allied nations? 

message: "The 1877-1878 Russo-Turkish War dealt a decisive blow to Ottoman power in the Balkan Peninsula, leaving the empire with only a precarious hold on Macedonia and the Albanian-populated lands."
In year 1878 Ottoman Empire had very big territory on the Balkan (even appart of Macedonia).
Readers could be mislead to believe that in the Balkan Peninsula territory of Ottoman Empire in 1878 outside Macedonia was populated only with Albanians, which of course is not true. Therefore I will delete second part of the sentence.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balkan without Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, Jews, Aromanians, Turks, ....? 

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message: The article currently says htat Veqilharxhi published his famous treatise in 1884-1885. Obviously this is false -- he died 30 years before that. In fact he published it in the 1844-1845-- and historians (Selim Islami, Zhelyazkova, etc...) consider it the "first written work" of Albanian (linguistic?) nationalism ( I'm sure Elsie would protest this). But if I correct this it will interfere with the entire narrative of the section, which (erroneously) treats it as if he was defying his patriarch, and the contradiction is present even in the text as even there it's clear that it can't be true due to the (wrong) dates : "  1886 the ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople threatened to excommunicate anyone found reading or writing Albanian, and priests taught that God would not understand prayers uttered in Albanian.[30] In 1884-5 however, Albanian intellectual Naum Veqilharxhi published his work Evëtori Shqip Fort i Shkurtër (English: The short Albanian Evëtor) which was an alphabet that included thirty three letters which were invented by himself.[31]" This has gotta be fixed in a more comprehensive way that probably involves a minor rewrite of the section. --Yalens (talk) 22:21, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date for Veqilharxhi is wrong