Talk:Plastic shaman

message: How does this article relate to Blackface? Jojalozzo 16:31, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is assuming the identity of a stereotype of another culture. -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blackface 

message: I've noticed the ongoing efforts to remove "New Age Fraud" from the external links section. Although it does list many links ("A well-chosen link to a directory of websites or organizations"), it also has much more (essays, news, etc.) and New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans is an organization who are the most of top of the "plastic shaman" phenomenon. I would love it if a scholar published a peer-reviewed academic tome exploring "Plastic shamans" and naming names with citations; however, since the overall trend has died down since the 1970s and 1990s, this is not likely to happen soon.
Hanksville.org is linked in over 50 other Wikipedia articles, so it's perfectly fine here. At only 10 external links, the article falls within the acceptable number. -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:54, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with having ten external links, especially, as noted by Uyvsdi, given the lack of peer-reviewed material currently coming out. Dkreisst (talk) 00:54, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: The POV nature of the article appears amply demonstrated from the discussion on the talk page.
In addition, please see WP:WINADFbunny (talk) 16:07, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I realized this talk page was 55,309 bytes. Talk pages usually get archived after 35Kb or 90 days, but no one ever set up a bot to archive this page. The conversation from 2006 and 2007 is all still accessible, either at the archive link above in the box or here: Talk:Plastic shaman/Archive 1. There's a four year gap between comments, and the ones from 2011 onward are on this page. -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:36, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed Fbunny (talk) 08:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

text: The deletion process fortunately doesn't work on a democratic basis, the issue is whether an article is notable by our criteria, and this one clearly is as was demonstrated during the discussion. We do not delete articles because there is NPOV content, someone doesn't like the title, etc. Your arguments were about content and title, not notability. So far as the title goes, we have similar complaints that other titles are NPOV simply because someone has a different pov -- eg all the 'denialism' articles - holocaust, climate change, etc. Dougweller (talk) 07:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Strange idea. You do not even get to publish an article when it is POV. Plus, under this title, it is not notable at all. It is not even about anything, as not only I, but numerous commentators, have pointed out. Fbunny (talk) 12:49, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: And yet the decision at the AfD was Keep - 10 keep !votes to your one objection - pretty overwhelming. May you should think about the fact that with only 126 edits to your name you might still have a lot to learn about Wikipedia. Or maybe you just don't like our policies, in which case you'll be happier someplace else. I note that two of the commentators at the AfD were a puppetmaster and his sock. Dougweller (talk) 16:12, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly the discussion is over; result was to keep. End of story. Instead of griping about vague/undefined, theoretical problems with the article, find published, NPOV reliable sources to add to the article. Just because an article doesn't fit your POV, doesn't mean is it POV. -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:47, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Duh. And thanks for the ad hominem sh*t, always a sure sign of being right Fbunny (talk) 11:08, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed for deletion 

message: Discussion about this page located at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Plastic shaman mentioned the questionable nature of including Ward Churchill's writing as a reference. I'm fine with removing it, especially since it's not actually cited anywhere in the article. I'm placing it here on the talk page just in case others want it restored to the article.
* Churchill, Ward. From a Native Son: Selected Essays in Indigenism, 1985-1995. 1996, Boston: South End Press. 
-Uyvsdi (talk) 18:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Both newagefraud.org and the New Age Fraud Facebook page are gone. Has this organization folded? 2601:186:8100:65E4:9133:8C00:9A96:6888 (talk) 00:40, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone recently removed the external link based on that concern, but the removal was reverted by  with the comment "Per announcement on group FB page, this is temporary"  Perhaps CorbieVreccan could comment further, especially if there is any information about how "temporary" this is expected to be.  Rwessel (talk) 05:31, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, prior to reverting I checked the org's Facebook Page. The IP editor is mistaken; the FB page is up, and there's a notice about the situation, which was updated yesterday.  They had some kind of hardware issue at the main site and are doing a rebuild. ETA: "Real Soon Now." - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 15:42, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Age Fraud gone? 

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