Talk:Burusho people

message: For the year 2006-07, let us concentrate on upgrading the contents as decided: Wales to upgrade quality of Wiki. Thanks. --Bhadani 03:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant please expand the contents. --Bhadani 14:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Let us upgrade

message: Is there any independent verification of the claim of "longevity" among the Hunza? Given their location, it seems unlikely that there are any accurate records of births and deaths. In any event, it seems rather disingenuous to accept such a claim at face value without sourcing any research on the subject. Michael Hopcroft 03:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur and have removed it from the article.  There is, as far as I can tell, no independent confirmation of a longer lifespan in the Hunza people, and the idea of one seems to have been propagated by certain individuals involved in selling alternative 'medicines' based on properties of their environment. -Interested2 20:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim of Longevity 

message: hey gentelman , this is sajjad hyder from Ganish Village of Hunza Valley,
The claim of Longevity in Hunzais correct and I can refer you a book and a documented movie about Long Life: in Hunza which is written and made by some British Doctors in late 60s.
But now I agree for what you said: we can hardly find a person who lives over 90 years: because of sudden deaths in current era, specialy young people ages between 25-50 within the last couople of years rasing drasticly,
Infact I am planing of making a documentary about the threats of Longevity in Hunza, if you have any further information please send it to me. 
Thanks  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sajjadhunzai (talk • contribs) 17:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sajjad Hyder 

message: The Burusho or Hunzakuts (Hunza people) are claiming that they are descendants of the soldiers from the army of Alexander the Great from Macedonia, which inhabited these regions during Alexander's campaign through Asia. Hunza people do not have any asian characteristics and their appearance is very similar to the current inhabitants of the Balkans. The sun and the lion are one of their identity symbols. These few facts that connect the Hunza people to the Antient Macedonians. Ilija Casule holder of Ph.D. in linguistics and an Associate Professor at the Macquarie University in Australia has done a lot of research in the Burushaski language. He has proven the genetic affiliation to the Ancient Macedonian language (Indo-European). Also there are many word that are the same with the current Macedonian language  —Preceding unsigned comment added by L.djinevski (talk • contribs) 18:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible origin of Hunza people 

message: I have put some refereneces about the origin of the Hunza. The Prince MIR said himselv thet they are Macedonians, so there are two texts about their visit in Macedonia and there is one video. Do not remove it. Regards!--MacedonianBoy (talk) 19:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I simply knew this would happen since I first read they were coming to the Republic. Please, provide reliable sources for their origin and do not speculate with the term Ancient Macedonian. --Laveol T 08:40, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Thet republic is MACEDONIA. The Prince itself said thet! Reliable enough.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 14:08, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a certified descendant of Alexander the Great (from Egypt) and I'll be removing it. 3rdAlcove (talk) 18:27, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm, too. I claim it - end of discussion. Seriously, provide reliable sources - anyone can claim such nonsense. --Laveol T 13:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

text: He is prince, not some guys from EAST or SOUTH. --MacedonianBoy (talk) 14:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, it's a guy from the far far east, then. Again, seriously, have you got any reliable sources? As I said anyone can claim he's the prince of Ancient California, but does this mean anything to the rest of the world? I wrote an article from a scientist from RoM and even he finds this artificial worshipping laughable. --Laveol T 14:53, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

text: You cannot unrderstand obviously! Read something else besides the Wiki articles!--MacedonianBoy (talk) 17:00, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

text: If thet tribe is meaningless, then why so called government of Greece has opened Greek cultural centre there? Do not say stupid things please! You shoud know more about thet!--MacedonianBoy (talk) 17:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, please, tell us, what exactly we don't understand. We asked for reliable sources - you haven't provided any. How could we understand? And what do you want us to understand? --Laveol T 17:09, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

text: You don't seem to understand Laveol: wiki doesn't care about their opinion. Jingiby made the right corrections and renamed all possible connections to Legend with a short genetics sentence about actual "possible genetic links". That's a fair treatment, don't you think? 3rdAlcove (talk) 17:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: The stuff about the Hunza "Prince" visiting RoM is WP:COATRACK and WP:FRINGE nonsense.  The whole thing was just a silly publicity stunt by the Gruevski government, and is total WP:COATRACK when inserted in this article.  If you must insert it into wikipedia, it would belong to an article on the Gruevski government, and even then it would probably violate WP:RECENT and WP:NOTABLE.  Wikipedia works on reliable sources, and only reliable sources.  Consequently, it is irrelevant whether "The Prince" thinks he is descended from the ancient Macedonians.  The only thing that matter is whether academic, scholarly sources think that they are.  To my knowledge, there is not a single serious scholar out there who supports this view.  The stuff about the Burusho language being related to Macedonian Slavic is also patent nonsense, as Burusho is not even an Indo-European language, let alone a Slavic one.  If you can so much as find a single, serious scholar who does, please provide the in-line citation and feel free to include it in the article.  Broken (and hence unverifiable) links to the Financial Times about unnamed professors in Australia will not do.  Only scholarly, academic sources are acceptable, with in-line citations provided.  --Tsourkpk (talk) 06:09, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:COATRACK]], [[WP:FRINGE]], [[WP:RECENT]] and [[WP:NOTABLE]] nonsense 

message: The stuff about the "prince" and his visit to FYROM is not appropriate for an encyclopedia article.  This individual is not an ethnographer or any other type of scholar, and his views on the subject are colorful at best, and utterly irrelevant.  Wikipedia works with reliable, academic sources only.  This is classic misuse of sources, and trying to pass off an unreliable source as a reliable one.  As a result, I am removing the relevant from the article till such a time that reliable sources are used.   --Tsourkpk (talk) 17:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It may mean nothing historically, but it may be relevant sociologically. I don't know how widespread this idea is among the Burusho. No more than among the Pashtuns, I would think. And it may simply have been politics. But as a social phenomenon, it may be relevant to the article on the people, even if it's not relevant to the article on the language (proto-Balkan BS). And by mentioning it along with the genetic data that shows it's not true, we address the issue of nationalists trying to claim this connection as valid. kwami (talk) 19:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate source 

message: The myth that Hunza are 'related' to macedonians was not known until 12 years ago when macedonian visitors to the Hunza valley created it and the source provided explains it all  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.116.222 (talk) 21:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're the one adding unsourced opinions. If you have a reference for this, by all means add it. But claims that people are biased need evidence, not just your say-so. kwami (talk) 22:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I take that back. Sorry for my haste—we've had lots of nonsense written about this. Your sources are as good as the ones used for the other side. Maybe we can come up with a wording that more closely reflects the sources. kwami (talk) 22:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

text: "Burusho legend claims that they descend ..." No need to quote it. It's just a summary of other sources anyway. kwami (talk) 23:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: please do not remove rebiable sources

message: I looked at the links. i cant seem to spot it. It's best this section of "legend" is specificly refferenced by adding a quote so everyone can see. Because until now i cant seem to find it. I really want to sort out this mess as soon as possible. Everybody's input is welcomed. I really think biased nationalistic propaganda is the last thing an encyclopedia needs.-99.225.116.222 (talk) 22:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Burusho legend claims that they descend ..." No need to quote it. It's just a summary of other sources anyway. kwami (talk) 23:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Legend?

message: Instead of mentioning Macedonia and giving readers a flase impression of a macedonian 'connection' they should revert the title to origins of the Hunza and also re-insert the genetic composision that mentiones Hunza have similar genes to the rest of the population(s) in the Pakistan region.
Because you know there are many theories about the burusho and their language such as the dene caucasian theory that links them to the people of the caucasious. You know Georgians, Chechens. However genetics seem to show they are as Pakistani as Sindhis or Punjabis or others which ofcourse should also be mentioned. -99.225.114.240 (talk) 02:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd make that a separate section. There isn't any serious claim that the Burusho are descendants of Macedonia. That's a political issue, not a biological one. kwami (talk) 10:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Section needs renaming

message: The added reference do not provide data about the presence of J-M12(M102) or E-M78 lineages as a subsequent diffusion of people from the southern Balkans by the Burusho people. Please, point the text you have used to show as your conclusion. Thank you. Jingby (talk) 15:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: DNA data

message: I post some interesting source on Hunzakuts being related to Hungarians. Would any one kindly help me on this please.West Bank Boy (talk) 16:33, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's called pseudoscience, and it has no place in an encyclopedia. You could just as well say that the people of Hunan and Huntington Beach are related to Hungarians because those names start with "hun" too. kwami (talk) 01:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: HUNZA-HUNGARIAN ties

message: Do they also know Urdu and/or English apart of their native Burushaski and nearby spoken Khowar? 85.250.220.3 (talk) 19:51, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

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message: Exactly what percentage of population makes it a significant proportion? The source clearly says that in the past there were only 350 Hunza people living in J&K and all those descent from one family. Why is it necessary to mention them as inhabitants of India when there is not even latest statistics about their number?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.107.130.74 (talk) 10:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Areas with significant population 

message: I removed the link on Renée Taylor, author of Hunza: the Himalayan shangri-la , pointing at Renée Taylor, a renowned American actress. They are not the same person although their identities have been mapped to a single  VIAF identifier. Biodata details make it impossible to confuse these persons.
Incidently, there is a significant amount of literature on the Hunza valley (and related myths of health/longevity) that may be picked up at the bottom of my page Hunza à perte de vue: entries A1 to A22. (Use automatic translation) Renée Taylor's books (B3, B4, B6) are the ones that mostly contributed to the myth… Bernard Bel (talk) 07:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renée Taylor 

message: Is it known which branches of R1a1 the Burusho have? And which SNP is that? --95.24.60.6 (talk) 14:11, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  R1a1 

message: R1a-Z93 arrived from European Steppe (Sredni Stog?) through something like Western Bug, and not what is written. Their ancestors lived in Upper Dnieper. --95.24.76.0 (talk) 09:58, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  R1a-Z93