Talk:Emergy

message: Someone should include an introduction sentence that tells you what context the term is employed in and who made it - I had to read the whole paragraph then half the article to understand what the hell emergy was.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.95.183.83 (talk) 23:58, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: Content of Emergy page was replaced by MT Brown and S Ulgiati according to a mandate received from the International Society for the Advancement of Emergy Research (ISAER) during the most recent Biennial Emergy Conference (16-18 January 2010). MT Brown is the ISAER Historian and S Ulgiati is President-elect 2010. We thank those who displayed their efforts in earlier attempts of setting up an emergy page and other related pages in Wikipedia. Suggestions on strengthening the article are welcome.Mtbrown8 (talk) 10:45, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Article rewritten

message: I've just protected the article for three days due to the edit warring. Please discuss the issue here to try to come to a consensus or take the matter to WP:AFD. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:33, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Mark. However, the article and conflict of interest are already under discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Emergy. Unless there's a good reason to start another discussion elsewhere, I suggest continuing it there. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:07, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: I have tagged the page as needing several types of cleanup, including fixing conflict of interest and neutrality, but more than that, making it more broadly understandable.  Please discuss how this might be done.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.102.221 (talk) 14:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is quite a badly-written article on a very marginal topic.  It is not clear from this article what emergy is, or how it is calculated.  It needs to be significantly revised, clarified, and the less relevant material removed.Geoffrey.landis (talk) 22:25, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion for fixing the page 

message: Per tag, I copyedited this mess. Comments:
* This thing desperately needs a simple but real example that goes through the calculations, which make no sense as described here. That may make it possible for a reader to actually understand what this is talking about.
* The idea that there is some objective conversion ratio between forms of emergy that are different from energy is risible, but ok, if that's the claim, flesh it out. How do you derive the ratios?
* Most of the refs for this piece are from Odum. These are not reliable sources. Need third party sources.
* At first, I thought this was just about trying to do a complete accounting of the energy involved in producing some product/service, which would be very worthwhile, but then I realized that this was something else.
:Lfstevens (talk) 06:06, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit 

message: Table 2, the section "Selected Performance Indicators" in Table 2 points to Figure 1 for definitions of U= N+R+F+S. However, those abbreviations are not presented in Figure 1. 
In Figure 2 R and N are presented. U is also there but marked as Y. F is also there, but not with the same meaning as in "U= N+R+F+S".
I see two possible roads of correction:
1) Let TAble 2 instead point to Figure 2, and then change the formulas to:
Emergy released Y=R+N+F
Emergy Yield Ratio EYR=Y/F
Environmental Loading Ratio  ELR=(F+N)/R
Renewability  %REN=R/Y
Emergy Investment Ratio  EIR=F/(R+N)  
2) Use the abbreviation from Odum (1996, p.83) instead (Reference 1 in the Notes section), where the following abbreviations are used for the same picture: 
Y= N+R+M+S  (equals U= N+R+F+S)
F= M+S
which then give:
Emergy released Y=R+N+M+S
Emergy Yield Ratio EYR=Y/F = Y/(M+S)
Environmental Loading Ratio  ELR=(F+N)/R = (M+S+N)/R
Renewability  %REN=R/Y
Emergy Investment Ratio  EIR=F/(R+N) = (M+S)/(R+N)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.174.134.233 (talk) 05:56, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request edit on 10 April 2016 

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