Talk:Bone Thugs-n-Harmony/Archive 1

message: Shouldn't this be moved to the more proper page Bone Thugs-N-Harmony? - gren 04:57, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to run, but it should be noted that this article has been moved around several times today by , in each case via copy/paste. I attempted to make this user happy by doing a proper move to the current title ("Bone Thugs-N-Harmony") as s/he insisted on it, but right after doing this the user undid the move and copy/pasted the content to "Bone Thugs-n-Harmony". This user has created several broken redirects and at least one duplicate article. I don't know which title is correct, so I hope someone who does know can sort this mess out. -- Hadal 05:26, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Their official website (http://www.bonethugsnharmony.com/) uses both Bone Thugs-n-Harmony and Bone Thugs-N-Harmony. At least it seems like the versions without the "-" characters are incorrect. - Teklund 07:32, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming

message: This part of the artcle isn't correct "In late 2002, Bizzy Bone departed from the group after giving a drunken performance with Bone Thugs-N-Harmony at BB King's Blues Club in New York City. In October 2003, he rejoined the group for the Wicked Wonka Tour with the Insane Clown Posse and soon recorded Bone Brothers, a duet album with Layzie Bone. Things quickly turned sour, though, as Bizzy declined to tour in support of the album and refused to sign a record contract with the rest of the group to Swizz Beatz' Full Surface Records. After this and a number of other incidents, the group once again cut ties with Bizzy in May of 2005." 
# Bizzy didn't depart from the group in 2002, Bone alleged he was 'kicked out', but it was problems with him not being paid for the album they just released "Thug World Order", Ruthless was back to not paying him like he should be paid, so he bailed. Who wouldn't? in January of 2003 they then sent him papers officially and contractually kicking him from the group 
# The reason he didn't promote "Bone Brothers" is because Koch Records wasn't totally honest about payment, and spent most of his money due on studio time and album mastering. 
# He didn't refuse to sign with Swizz Beatz, he wanted to be officially contractually signed as a Bone Thugs-N-Harmony member again. Bone didn't want to do that, so he didn't record. - gren 04:57, 14 Oct 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the input. I've made some changes to the paragraph to try to remove the POV. "Bizzy departed from the group" has been changed to "the group officially departed ways with Bizzy" and "refused to sign a contract" has been changed to "contract negotiations between Bone and Bizzy with Swizz Beatz' Full Surface Records broke down." I still think the part about the Bone Brothers tour should stay. Regardless of Bizzy's reasons for not going on the tour, the fact remains that he did not go on tour and that was his choice. I'm sure he has a billion excuses like he did for not showing up for tours for 6 straight years before him and Bone "parted ways", but that doesn't change the fact that the tour and Bizzy were not one. --Kahz 17:06, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bizzy Bone

message: Why The Collection Volume One (1998), The Collection: Volume Two (2000) is listed under this section?? - Lajbi 22:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they come with DVDs. 69.116.150.174 18:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Filmography

message: In the section for E. 1999 Eternal, it breifly brings up the song "Thug Luv." I believe this song is one of the most known songs from Bone because of its delivery and featuring Tupac. This song is iconic and whenever bringing up Bone thugs with Any stranger the first songs brought up are Thug Luv and Crossroads. I think someone should add to the part where Thug Luv is discussed. I know its my opinion but i feel its true. 
Also I read an article somwhere that the song was first originally recorded with just Bizzy Bone, Tupac and a female rapper. Then later on the song was re-recorded to include Krayzie Bone, Wish, and Layzie and recycling Tupacs verse. It sounds a little trivial but i came across a very low quality mp3 
that has a what sounds like an early version of the beat that we know today, missing certain sounds, bassline slightly different. The song starts off with an uknown verse by Bizzy then goes into Tupacs verse (exactly the same from Thug Luv), then a verse from a woman, then right after that its Bizzy again doing his verse from the known Thug Luv but not the same recording that we know. The phrasing is different at parts and ends with him repeating Cleave-a-land-land for the rest of the bar. 
Anyway, i have this theory that Bizzy and Tupac and that woman rapper i dont recognize recorded the song before Tupac died. When tupac died, they remade the song and put Tupacs vocals on the track and added the rest of the group.
I dont remember where i read the that the song was originally recorded with just Bizzy Bone, it was a long time ago, but i have the mp3 file i was talking about. Someone should look into this and come up with proof. My Email is TruAmbitionz@aim.com if someone wants the song, or has questions.
I've seen pictures of 2Pac and all of Bone in the studio spitting their verses..wish I still knew where to find them but they were all there at the same time. Maybe 2Pac redid his own verse or added adlibs for the released version of the song but he definitely wasn't already dead. PCP MC 15:32, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thug Luv 

message: I sorted out a lot of stuff from that section because it was too long, it looked more of a list than a paragraph filled with text, so now it became more perspicuous. A lot of them belongs to their own articles (singles', members', Bone-Thugs Biography...) thus needs to be merged there. Some of them were useless and unverifiable. What left is still unverified, but some of them is really interesting to know, if they are true. The rest is fair info though not vital to be familiar with them so still fits the trivia criteria.Lajbi Holla @ meWho's the boss? 16:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: Most of the Trivia needs citation and cannot be there without any, so i'd say it's beter of removed for the quality of this page.
Second thing is that some of the text is off-margin and needs correcting.
Also, some information needs to be edited or removed to improve the quality of Wikipedia.
I'd like a little help on doing some of these adjustments so feel free to revise and clean up.--ThanosMadTitan23 04:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a lot of Revision and Editing 

message: This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it.  Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed.  I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy.  In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 05:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  YouTube links 

message: User:NATIVE1 added Felecia Lindsey-Howse to the members list. In her article it says she collaborates with them a lot but doesn't say she's an actual official permanent member of the line-up. Is this right? --Spondoolicks 11:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Felecia 

message: Seeing as the article needs a little bit of clean-up, I think it would be best if a regular editor (or even me) seperated all discography related information from the article and put it into its own article, eg. Bone Thugs-N-Harmony discography.
I just figured I'd discuss it here first, seeing as I'm not really a regular editor of this page, and didn't want to make any big changes or anything.
PS. I archived the talk page because it was pretty huge. - Nö†$®åM  23:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a separate discography article is a good idea.  Lots of other musicians have pages like that, and it helps keep the main article tidy. -GTBacchus(talk) 23:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. Actually, upon second glance, alot of the content (basically everything under Sales) could be seperated into seperate articles. The bottom of the article just looks really bloated to me. - Nö†$®åM  00:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seperate discography? 

message: Okay, there have been a couple of times that I've changed the release date of the new album to April 17th.  That's because that's the day it's coming out:
http://www.bonethugsnharmony.com/
But somebody seems to be convinced that it's coming out on May 8th.  Explanations please?  Until then... I'm changing it back to what their official website says. 67.70.163.187 00:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Album 

message: If someone captioned the pic with which one was who, that'd be awesome.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.233.57.18 (talk) 03:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pic 

message: I think it's important to point out that the n in Bone Thugs-n-Harmony means IN, not AND.  The distinction is important, and a lot of people don't make it.  Krayzie says it in the chorus of "If I Could Teach the World":
If I could teach the world (whole wide world) 
To be a thug in harmony (harmony)
Then I would teach the world (whole wide world)
To be a thugsta just like me (like me)
And Bizzy sorta says it in "Demons Surround Me"
Mormons may mourn, may Messiahs be born, torn in the purgatory
Sworn to violence, silence, word my bond
Get ya story on, call me, saw me in the army gatherin in harmony
Hardly in all we be so salty
Oh, and first post...  --Rankispanki 05:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bone Thugs IN Harmony 

message: why did som1 put minus things under where there songs were ranked —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lancerz09 (talk • contribs).
: I'm not exactly sure, however, I would like to remind you to sign your comments on talk pages by using tildes (eg.  ~~~~). Thanks, hopefully someone else can answer your question. - Nö†$®åM  03:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chart Positions 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Bone Thugs.png

message: somebody put this through deletion review..  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackdragon6 (talk • contribs) 19:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image:Bone Thugs.png

message: I will try over the next few days to clean up this article so that the banners at the top can be removed.  I am a fan of this group and would like to see them have a clean page if possible.  I'm no 'wiki' expert but will try to tidy up this article to the best of my abilities.  If anyone has any suggestion/critiques, please let me know. Thanks. Tbone2001 23:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up 

message: Bizzy Bone was the only member who left the group willingly. Flesh-n-Bone left due to incarceration.I already fix that so dont worry.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meccareal (talk • contribs) 17:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wish Bone never left 

message: i think a Semi-protected is a good idea, to avoid the spam of unregistered users  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donjavy (talk • contribs) 22:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've 'patrolled' a lot of the sites you protected and the problem, relatively, is not that bad IMHO.τßōиЄ2001 (ǂ ) 22:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected 

message: I have seen different versions spelling the band's name: "Bone Thugs-N-Harmony" and "Bone Thugs~N~Harmony". What do you think of "Bone Thugs~N~Harmony" version?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Netrat msk (talk • contribs) 01:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ~ VS - 

message: I noticed that User:Mel Etitis moved this article from Bone Thugs-N-Harmony to Bone Thugs-n-Harmony, citing "naming conventions".  I disagree with the move, because it seems that all reliable sources, including the sources from which the article is written, capitalize the 'N'.  I think the move should at least be discussed, so I'm leaving a note with Mel.  What do people think: upper-case or lower-case 'N'? -GTBacchus(talk) 18:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Our Manual of Style, which gives the policy that governs our use of capitalization, says (in common with most manuals of style) that conjunctions and the abbreviations of conjunctions should not be capitalized.  There's no such thing as reliable sources in this case, because capitalization and other typographical issues are decided by us ("The Wizard of Oz" might be "The Wizard Of Oz" in some publications, "The wizard of Oz" in others, etc.; it doesn't matter how L. Frank Baum or his publishers spelled it). --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 20:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Disagree. (1) I don't think Manual of Style should be applied to trademarks and personal names. Bone Thugs-N-Harmony is both a personal name and (AFAIK) a trademark. I think a band is one who desides. Unusual spelling is usually intentional and have certain artistic meaning. (2) Anyway, Manual of Style  does not mention "N" at all. "N" might stand for "in" or "and", but typographicaly it is neither. (3) No one tries to move Guns N' Roses article to "Guns and Roses" or "Guns n Roses". What's so different with Bone Thugs-N-Harmony? (4) Please move article back to Bone Thugs-N-Harmony. Netrat_msk (talk) 01:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  If there're no objections, I'm going to change the name of the band to proper spelling, with capital N. If you disagree with this, be sure to post counter-evidences for every of four points I've posted, especially Guns N' Roses comparison. Netrat_msk (talk) 10:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, ok, but if we're to go with a lower-case 'n', a few other things ought to be moved as well, such as :Category:Bone Thugs-N-Harmony albums, :Category:Bone Thugs-N-Harmony songs, and a few articles in those categories.  Do you want to list them at WP:CFD, or shall I do the honors? -GTBacchus(talk) 21:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and took care of :Category:Bone Thugs-n-Harmony songs. -GTBacchus(talk) 15:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

text: There are still a lot of links to Bone Thugs-n-Harmony, but I just changed Template:BTNH, which should percolate through a lot of those articles soon. -GTBacchus(talk) 18:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of band 

message: Associated acts is a signigicant section that should not be deleted. By checking other rappers' pages you can tell that associated acts infobox usually lists labelmates, beatmakers and MC's with whom a subject of the article collaborates frequently. It does not list all featurings and collaborations. The situation with Bone Thugs is the same. Associated acts infobox does not list all featurings, but only steady cooperations.
Mo Thugs Family is a group of thier follower and relatives, produced and mentored by Bone Thugs.
ThugLine Records, 7 Sign Regime and Flesh-n-Bone Inc. are private labels by band members.
As for DJ Yella, I don't know what kind of collaboration did they have, I guiess we gotta ask the person who added him here.
Akon is not only featured on their single, he also produced some of thier tracks.
With Twista, 2Pac, Notorious B.I.G. they had noted featurings. I agree that this does not look like a steady cooperation, and you can remove these artists from the list if you wish...
Swizz Beatz produced thier latest album.
Mariah Carey is their singer of the choice, as they had at least 4 singles togeather.
As for Eazy-E, I guess it needs no explaination...
I'm also going to add DJ U-Neek (beatmaker responsable for this trademark sound) to associated acts list. Netrat_msk (talk) 11:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As for DJ Yella, I don't know what kind of collaboration did they have, I guiess we gotta ask the person who added him here. I can help you with this one. DJ Yella produced tracks 1, 7 and 8 on Creepin On Ah Come Up. I am unsure if he produced anything else for them.PedroDaGr8 (talk) 16:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associated acts 

message: there has been rumors going around that Bizzy is now officially back in. can any one confirm or give more info about this? NaughtyByN8ture1 (talk) 05:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bizzy back in 

message: Just completed a major cleanup of all sections, hopefully this will be the skeleton for a much improved article. Shoplifter (talk) 22:25, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major cleanup 

message: Do any of them bang?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.200.32 (talk) 06:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gang? 

message: I think Phil Collins should put in Associated Acts, who else?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.12.170.228 (talk) 17:24, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associated Acts 

message: I am not a regular editor, so please forgive any formatting and etiquette errors.
The following statements, made in the description of Thug World Order, cannot both be true.  "The album supposedly overly-violent and political saw a drastic change in subject matter and tone for the group. The lyrics were almost completely void of any violence..."
I don't know the album, and I don't know which is a better reflection of the truth, but I know that the album cannot be both "over-violent" and "void of any violence."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.181.154 (talk) 23:35, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language contradiction 

message: My sources are Layzie Bone and his Manager Rob, of Harmony Howse Entertainment. And I know I can't use their private messages as a Source to Cite
but the "News" sources used which report that Layzie had "left" the group misinterpreted his Twitter post which would be the Original Source. 
This is in similar fashion as when Krayzie Bone took a step aside to work on ThugLine which is now The Life Entertainment.
There was indeed a point in time when Krayzie announced on Video that he did leave the group to focus on The Life Entertainment, but no where in Layzie's twitter does he say he is leaving the group. 
Again it was a misinterpretation by those various news sources. 
To follow with those various news sources with their misinterpretation is a step back in providing truthful and clear information. 
I ask that my edits be put back in as they are indeed the truth and do not take Layzie's twitter post out of context as it shouldn't have been in the first place.
Levelselect (talk) 05:27, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Has he or his manager publicly clarified this? Or have any reliable sources said that, he is still currently a member of the group? What it looks like is he is taking a break from the group to work on his solo career. So right now, he is not an active member of the group, example being him not being featured on the upcoming album, or being involved in upcoming shows. So until he returns to the group full time, he would still be a former member or a member on "hiatus".STATic message me! 06:45, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Good enough for me, I shall adjust it. STATic message me! 04:29, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layzie Bone's status with the group