Talk:Jack Sparrow/Archive 1

message: All of us at Wikipedia need to work harder on our research into such minute details like what type of sword somebody uses, Jack's weapon is too long to be a cutlass, but since the article states his weapon is a hanger which leads to the article on cutlass, it's most likely Jack's weapon isn't a hanger either. It's too small to be a rapier and i know that their probably a more technical term then the generic sabre. let us try to get Jack's sword right. Technobabble1 03:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: His Weapon

message: According to Keep to the Code, Jack is one of the Nine Pirate Lords, the ruler over the Caribbean. Please add it on the page.
:I just added that to the bottom of the discussion page; the website of Pirates 3 also confirms it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.196.3.179 (talk) 20:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pirate Lord

message: Sorry to keep commenting, but whay does Black Pearl redirect to the first movie? Shouldn't we make an article about the ship?
Jack Sparra 11:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I would add information on the Black Pearl. I could write it--after all, I've read the Pirates of the Caribbean Visual Guide and it's ALL in there! Not to mention that in the mobile game for movie 2, it explains that Jack's ship's original name was the Wicked Wench. After Davy Jones raised it up after a battle against the NAVY (as Jack used to be a merchant), he changed the name to the Black Pearl. Gargoyle123 01:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Pearl 

message: The first film also offers homosexual overtones to Character of Sparrow in three scenes: When he tells a pirate that he always like him; When he tells Commodore Norrington that, Sparrow always rooted for him; When he tells Elizabeth Swann that they could have never made it. 
I wrote above lines, but someone reverted, not sure if he saw the movie. I like the movie, but not this part. Chirag 02:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exact words from Movie One:<BR/>
The exact words used from the first movie are:<BR/>
Jack to Pirate: I always liked you. (right before Elizabeth returns the dress to Barbossa). <BR/>
Jack to Norrington: I want you to know that I was rooting for you, mate. Know that.<BR/>
Jack to Elizabeth: It would never have worked between us, darling. I'm sorry.<BR/>
Chirag 16:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: agreed. Chirag 16:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The text was reverted for several reasons; first, it's your analysis and is therefore original research—for such a subjective analysis to survive inclusion into an encyclopedia, it would have to be the opinion of a recognized expert in the field, such as a well-known film critic, and would require citation. Second, the analysis was not presented in a way that asserts its notability for inclusion. Third, its veracity is arguable: the first instance might present to another viewer an example of Sparrow's charming nature in an effort to win over an opponent; the second, the same; the third, a playful dig at Will Turner. It's all entirely subjective; repeated references to eunuchs, for example, could support your analysis, but the spurned women on Tortuga and Sparrow's time alone with Elizabeth on the island would argue against it. While such a passage would be fine for a fan page or a message board, it fails in an encyclopedia. Feel free to read up on what Wikipedia is not, and happy editing! RadioKirk (u|t|c) 02:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure why you picked the third (and most subjective) of three points for your reply (and the Tortuga scene clearly implies he was unfaithful to the women via other women) as the first and second points determine what survives scrutiny in an encyclopedia. If you haven't already, may I recommend reading WP:NOR and WP:N, and also WP:V. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 12:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Well It may not be Jealously at all, it may as well be due to non-performance. Chirag 15:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I am yet to see the second movie. Chirag 15:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Only if Depp's said so in an interview and it's properly cited (and, I think we all know The Sun's reputation); otherwise, it's speculation (or tabloid fodder). RadioKirk (u|t|c) 00:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: What you care about is irrelevant. This article is about the character on the whole, and valid information should not be removed. Commentary from the actor who portrays the character is even more important than some Disney exec. As a result, I have partially reverted your edit (I do agree that he is not effeminate, so I removed the cat). EVula 23:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Evula, we made a similar revert at the same time :P Technobabble1, this seems more like you don't wish your favourite movie's protagonist to be "sexually ambiguous" for whatever reason. The quote is perfectly valid, and the reference is "official" enough, not every citation can come from a studio which doesn't understand their own film. It usually comes from a director, a producer, a writer or an actor in the form of an interview. Zythe 23:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That's fine, in my opinion, especially since execs were surprised by Depp's interpretation according to the same source. Zythe 23:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: My hobby is to analyse the characters of the movie, as to how they came to be as they are potrayed. in case of Jack Sparrow, it is not just based on the script writer, or director, but the actor himself seems to have influenced the character a lot. 
Apart from that, since the studio folks did feel some overtones during the release of movie one, may be it should be mentioned somewhere on the article. Chirag 15:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Nothing to forgive, at least on the talk page—this is what talk pages are for. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 19:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a strange perception, why can't a bisexual character be a children's hero? Will it turn them gay? Because I've been watching Buffy for years and sadly I have yet to become a vampire :(. Just interesting to note, as soon as sexuality comes into it, some people get defensive or scared. Zythe 20:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well following text was reverted. 

message: I made another copy edit, changing spelling and wording here and there. I also made the title change that intimidated others. It seems pretty certain that Pirates 3 will be either At World's End or World's End. If it looks good to everyone, I suggest taking it off the Cleanup Task force list.
I had one question on the content though. On the island of "cannibals" on Dead Man's Chest. Did anyone say that Sparrow had to be eaten, or just freed from his fleshly prison? Details might need to be changed in that paragraph.
Comments are welcome!
republicson
:It was RELEASED FROM HIS FLESHY PRISON. :) Gargoyle123 03:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter how "certain"—Wikipedia is not a crystal ball so we wait for an official announcement. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 17:24, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Edit 

message: Although this article seems fine to me, the name is questionable. I really think the article should just be named 'Jack Sparrow', without the 'Captain' in it. After all, its a biography of a character, and his name doesn't actually have Captain in it, thats just his title. Calaros 18:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In some cases, I'd probably agree with you; not here, though. His title is an intrinsic part of this character's name. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c) 18:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He always insisted on being cald Captain...Cameron Nedland 18:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Name

message: Okay, I know Johnny's accent is all fake and stuff, and I'm no expert at British dialects, but it seems to me that his accent is somewhat inflected. Is it based on a particular English dialect? at times it seems Irishified, if you will..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.69 (talk • contribs) 
I think that I read in an interview somewhere that it's supposed to be a very light French accent.  I really can't confirm or deny this though, because even though I live next door to a Frenchman, there's nothing light about his accent...
Anyway, you can't take my word for it, since I don't have a source, but I do think it is somewhat French-inspired.  Also keep in mind that Depp is fluent in French. Cathie 03:09, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's a King's British accent, but since he drinks a lot of rum in the story, it is very run-down. Hey, I'm a pirate expert all-three-in-one, so ask me if you have any questions on my discussion page! Gargoyle123 02:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accent? 

message: " Captain Jack's real name was Jack Smith and he was born in India on October 25"
Where was this information found? I think it should have a source... --Obsessed 16:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 17:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The category was just deleted by another user, and rightly so, I think. This may have been added in confusion as Sparrow is presented as a onetime employee of the East India Trading Company, which actually was a British conglomerate. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 19:09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: If there's a reliable, published source, it can go in the article with citation. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 00:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: He was born during a typhoon on a Pirate Ship in the Indian Ocean :) Gargoyle123 23:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack's Background 

message: It's obvious, Because of Sparrow, Becklett IS a EUNICH DaffyDuck619
There's one problem with that theory (Aside from the whole 'No Original Research' thing). When Elizabeth presented him with an offer about Turner, he said "i'm listening" in a voice that made it clear he thought elizabeth was going to sleep with him. He thought Swaan was flirting with him. If he was a eunuch, he wouldn't be intertested in her.
Jack Sparra 11:42, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree there's no basis to assume Beckett is a eunuch, but it wasn't apparent to me that he believed Elizabeth was offering sex. Only that he was interested in knowing what she had to bargain. PNW Raven 17:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that there is no possible way to assume that Beckett is a eunuch. According to the Pirates of the Caribbean Visual Guide, Jack liked to call other men "Eunuchs" because he was a ladies man and wanted them solely for himself....unless you are actually a eunuch for which...I have no response if you had a snip-snippy. Oh, and this is original research Gargoyle123 03:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Sounds like speculation and a bunch of OR to me. There's nothing to state that, it can't be added to the article. --MajinVegeta 18:16, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I know the mark he left on Becklett

message: I recently saw a promotional picture on the internet of Jack Sparrow meditating. I assume it was a promo for Dead mans chest, but i never saw a scene in the movies that contained that. Could we assume that Sparrow knows how to meditate?
Jack Sparra 11:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen that also, but assuming he meditates= OR...--SUIT 04:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Sparrow is seen "meditating" in the scene on Isla Cruces when Norrington is digging for the Dead Man's Chest. Jack is sitting off to the side while Norrington does all the hard work. I assume this is supposed to be an indication that Jack has traveled in India and the Far East. PNW Raven 01:41, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MEDITATION 

message: There should be a "Pirates of the Caribbean" info box to be used on all POTC related articles
Mhrmaw 12:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but I myself don't know how to make one. I know, I'm not much help THERE. Gargoyle123 02:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info Box 

message: The ameythest ring Jack takes from Tia Dalma is not Barbossa's ring. If you pay attention,the ring Barbossa wears is silver with an onyx stone and a animal insignia on the stone. He has it on as he desends the stairs at Tia Dalma's. Also, on the second disc of Dead Man's Chest,on the making of Captain Jack Sparrow,it says that the ameythest ring was a greco-roman ring Johnny Depp had got from a friend and he took it to the set for the second movie.Somebody please fix the error.
:All the rings that Sparrow wears are actually Johnny's belongings that he never takes off. Gargoyle123 18:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ring 

message: Should the "Fictional Undead" category really be there? He was only undead for about five to ten minutes. --SSJ4 Aragorn 04:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undead? 

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
# I'm barely on the support side of ambivalence. On the one hand, Jack Sparrow has not always been a Captain and may not always be one; on the other, this is a fictional character best known as "Captain Jack Sparrow". Still, the latter can redirect to the former. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 04:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: # I'm barely on the support side of ambivalence. On the one hand, Jack Sparrow has not always been a Captain and may not always be one; on the other, this is a fictional character best known as "Captain Jack Sparrow". Still, the latter can redirect to the former. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 04:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: #I think it should remain "Captain". He IS Captain Jack Sparrow in the movies 23:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: The "Appearance" section in the Jack Sparrow article talks about Jack's black eyeliner being the same thing used for football players on their faces during a game.
That's true, but I was watching a dvd special feature where Depp talks about how Nomads, a long time ago, would use that black stuff to help reflect the sun. He talks about how this relates to Sparrow because, being a pirate, he is a sort of Nomad, and he is, of course, constantly out in the sun.
Football players also use eyeliner to keep the sunlight out of their eyes. So you can says either nomads or football players, the idea is the same. Fredvdp May 29
My account is relatively new, so I couldn't add in this little tidbit myself, but I think it should at least be mentioned. Captain Bubble 05:16, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Eyeliner 

message: The article "Captain Jack Sparrow", under "Early Life", on this website reads that Jack was born in British Colonial India. Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean Visual Guide says that Jack was born on a pirate ship in a typhoon. I think this should be changed. 23:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does mention that, I'll change it right away. Gargoyle123 02:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to but it won't let me. Apparently the author thought they knew about it? Gargoyle123 02:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack Sparrow's Birthplace 

message: He is seen in the trailer when Barbossa's voiceover mentions the "Pirate Lords of the four corners of the Earth", and in the Pirates 3 website Will Turner (voiced by Orlando Bloom) mentions he is one of the Pirate Lords, thereby confirming it. So it should be added to the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.196.3.179 (talk) 20:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pirate Lord 

message: Tia Dalma is supposedly Calypso, the woman that Davy Jones loved and a sea goddess. Has anyone else heard this?? India Sparrow 23:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She is, I saw the movie last night Gargoyle123 16:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tia Dalma 

message: In the timeline for POTC movies it states that Jack Sparrow was born during a typhoon on a pirate ship - this is not stated in his article. Can anyone confirm this? And does it not beg the question if this might not have been a foreshadowing of his current occupation.
--Kae-linn 21:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is VERY true. Check the Disney's DK Pirates of the Caribbean Complete Visual Guide. Not only is it official but it has been revised and written by every consultant on set of Pirates. Gargoyle123 02:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  jack sparow's birth during typhoon? 

message: If anyone is interested I did some figuring using the presequel books, the mention of 'little Benny Franklin', the year Franklin was born 1706 & the estimated year or years the POTC movies took place sometime in 1740's or after and I came up with a guesstimate age range for Jack.   Since it is presumed that Jack is either 15 or 16 in the books, one could assume that his reference to 'little' meant that Franklin was younger maybe 12 or 13 which might put Jack's year of birth between 1701 & 1703. This possibly puts Jack in his mid to late 30's; 36-39 years old. He ages well.
If anyone can add to this and narrow it down even more your input is more than welcomed.
--Kae-linn 20:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well...the consultants AND Jerry Bruckheimer said that Pirates 1 takes place in 1723, Pirates 2 in 1726, and Pirates 3 in 1726. Elizabeth is 20 in the first film making her 23 in the 2nd film. Will is a year older than her. Therefore it is safe to assume that Jack is not much older than them, possibly eight years or so over Elizabeth. I personaly have always thought that in Pirates 1 he was 27 and in Pirates 2 & 3, he was and will be 30. But, hey, I don't know for sure. I will be sure to look into it as I am writing a hopefully offical version of each movie's book and stories in past and future for continuation of their lives. They will be sent to Disney, however, and with my Pirates knowledge, it should work out as a great deal I hope. Gargoyle123 02:19, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Captain Jack's age has been an inquiry 

message: I forgot where is saw it but thier is a site that conferms that thier is a real pirate named or is known by Jack Sparrow
:Jack Sparrow is a fictional character and not a real person.Gargoyle123 03:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ok where is the real Jack Sparrow Page

message: If the verification information is needed, I would recommend that you read the Pirates of the Caribbean Visual Guide, verified, edited, written by, and published by Disney itself, with a foreword by Jerry Bruckheimer. I'm deleting the verification needed superscript in the article because it is clearly stated there. I'm so glad that most of the information I and other's have contributed are used in the article! Gargoyle123 23:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: JACK'S BIRTHPLACE VERIFICATION

message: He didn't die.  Tia Dalma even confirms this.  In a short scene from the movie, which can be found here... http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=119646282 Pintel asks why they couldn't just bring back Jack Sparrow the same way Barbossa was.  Tia Dalma replies that Barbossa was only dead.  Jack was taken body and soul to Davy Jones' Locker.  The Locker is not a place of death, but of punishment. Link_86_1 18:05, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a fact; it's all in the movie! Gargoyle123 23:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jack did die, and his soul was sent to the Locker. Barbossa simply died, and his soul did not go to the Locker. Same with Governer Swann, he is seen in the Locker, and he is dead. --MajinVegeta 00:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jack's Alleged Death

message: It was said that during the entire filming of the second movie, Johnny Depp (Jack Sparrow) lived on a yacht instead of being with the rest of the crew. Can somebody please tell me if this statment is correct or incorrect. And if correct can you pleas tell me why did he do this? Thankz! MissOrange12 21:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi! I'm afraid I'm not sure but this is more to do with Johnny rather than with Jack, so I would put it under Johnny's article. Just a pointer! Gargoyle123 17:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Living Quarters 

message: My memory might just be foggy, but I don't remember seeing or hearing anything about Johnny Depp basing Sparrow's walk after a basalisk running over water.  It may very well be out there, but I searched for a long time and couldn't find.  If anyone can find a reference for that statement, can you please cite that in the Demeanor section?  Thanks.  Arwen undomiel 00:18, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be funny, basing Sparrow's stride on a lizard running on the water. I don't remember reading that anywhere, even though I can see similarites. I'll attempt to find a source, if I can't, we can remove it. --MajinVegeta 00:17, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 'The lizard run'

message: Holy crap, this is an extremely long article! Perhaps we could possibly discuss alterations to it? Like some serious cutting down and removal of redundant information? --MajinVegeta 17:34, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible alterations

message: "One of Jack's imaginary hallucinations." Isn't this tautological? The fact that the term "hallucination" is used already tells the reader that it occurs only within Jack's imagination... I'm modifying the picture caption regarding this :)
Yoda921 13:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny you should mention that, I was thinking the same thing the other day when I read it, just didn't do anything about it. A hallucination is imaginary, it's a redundant phrase. Thanks for fixing it! :) --MajinVegeta 16:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The picture caption 

message: What happened to the other picture that showed him in his full outfit?  As the one that's up now isn't that good at all, and the other one seemed to be much, much better, showing his outfit in full.  Captain Drake Van Hellsing 10:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, but I will say that I don't think we need a full body picture of Jack anyway. Sometimes the full body pics just take up too much space. And tell you the truth, I don't think that people are too interested in his feet anyway. Also it is stated that his clothes change as the films continue, so I don't see the point in having a shot that shows his full body. But I will agree that I don't like this one, and I wasn't the one who changed it. Perhaps a bust shot is all that's needed, or at least one from the waist up. --MajinVegeta 23:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack's Picture? 

message: According to the Johnny Depp Wikipedia page, Depp has a real-life tattoo of a sparrow with his son's name Jack beneath it. Were the creators of the Pirates of the Caribbean movie inspired by this tattoo to name the character "Jack Sparrow" or did Johnny Depp have the tattoo made based on the movie? -- TTR 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Rossio and Elliott concieved the film long before Jack Depp was born. Depp Sr got that tatoo shooting film one. Alientraveller 16:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who created the Jack Sparrow character?