Talk:Gewürztraminer

message: I changed one of the first lines. The name Gewürztraminer literally means "spicy (or spiced) Traminer", not "spice from Tramin", which would more or less be "Traminergewürz".
:Without a reference this might be inappropriate. Since the grape has been cultivated and has borne this name for a long time, it's entirely possible that it does not follow modern German rules. Perhaps read as Old High German or another ancestral dialect, the article was correct. Even in modern German, the "-er" suffix can be interpreted to mean "from", as in Berliner or Americaner, so Traminer could easily still mean "from Tramin". Regardless, the meaning of the name should be sourced to something. I'm going to change it back in the meantime and see if I can't find a source for its meaning. — Saxifrage ✎ 21:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. If the translation in question were a normal word, then you'd be right. However, if we're going to say what a name means, then we need a source. It's not just a matter of translation. — Saxifrage ✎ 22:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have a source that explains its name as "spiced Traminer".   I'm going to change it to that, and add the cite. --- The Bethling(Talk) 06:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great! Now I can be wrong for the right reasons! ;-) — Saxifrage ✎ 20:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spicy 

message: If we're going to use the term "literally means", we should be precise.  "Gewürztraminer" means "Spice-Traminer."  "Spiced Traminer" would be "gewürzter Traminer."  (German isn't as fluid as English in its creation and use of modifiers.)
Also, one can't notice "spritzig," because that's an adjective.  One can note the bubbles, though.  Is the quality of having these bubbles referred to as "Spritzigkeit"?  I don't know.  RogerLustig 20:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

message: Gewurtztraminer is a wine, and this article calls it a grape. Traminer is the grape, Gewurtztraminer the wine, in usage throughout Alsace, which is the home of the wine. This article in no way makes that clear. Added 05:26, 30 December 2007 by 66.146.173.34 
:Gewürztraminer or Gewurztraminer (no extra t before the z, please) is a grape variety used to make varietal wine. INAO's appellation rules for Alsace wine, Article 4, clearly state that "Gewurztraminer" (not just "Traminer") is the grape variety used for Gewurztraminer wine. Traminer is a wider family of grapes that include Savagnin blanc and rose, the latter of which is used to produce Klevener de Heiligenstein. If you encounter "Traminer" as name for the grapes in Alsace, it's probably because it is a (lazy?) synonym for a difficult-to-pronounce grape name, while the labelling practices must conform to the INAO rules. Do you also encounter this among people who speak German, or is it a phenomenon among French-only-speakers? By the way, WP:WINE articles generally cover both grape varieties and varietal wines in the same article. Tomas e (talk) 21:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Checking my Oxford Companion to Wine, Gewurztraminer became the official name in Alsace in 1973, so if you've been consorting with old-fashioned winemakers they may have continued the habit of calling it Traminer. Tomas e (talk) 21:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wine or grape?

message: the grapes are red but the wine is white, try to put that in but is it confusing?Truetom (talk) 13:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  colors 

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