Talk:White Pony

message: The song is called 'Knife Prty'. It says so on their official website.
--James599 23:39, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's right. Check the scans from different issues of the album: (1), (2), (3).  Some European issues apparently had it misprinted (i.e. spelled correctly) on the back cover, but spelled it as intended on the ad stickers. —Torc. (Talk.) 01:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  KNIFE PRTY 

message: When Googling, I used deftones "white pony" -ebay -lyrics -torrent -mp3 -wikipedia -amazon -myspace -youtube -mp3s to filter the cruft.
Here's some half-decent stuff:
*Rolling Stone review
*All Music Guide review
*Metacritic page
*PopMatters review
Fucking hell. Every link at Metacritic is broken, except the Rolling Stone one. Every fucking link! Damn internet. This is suddenly a lot less feasible. Seegoon (talk) 17:29, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also look at the interviews transcribed on DEFTONESWORLD, but remember that you have to reference them as if you have the article in front of you, don't link to deftonesworld as it could be considered copyright violation for them to be hosting the transcriptions. It's best to double-check the names of the sources to make sure the article has been sourced correctly (eg. one source said "drummer magazine" for an interview that was also transcribed on another fansite as being from Modern Drummer, which I confirmed was the correct publication.) For reference format, have a look at what I've done on Deftones so far. - Phorque (talk) 11:04, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online sources 

message: "[...] This is the proper version of the album, and "Back to School" was only added as a marketing strategy; Chino Moreno has stated that he wasn't happy about it.[2]"
The reference provided for this statement is no longer accessible, however, the most recent Way Back Machine copy does not imply that Chino Moreno was unhappy about the re-release of the album with the "Back to School" track. Perhaps this sentence requires rewording?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.209.241.193 (talk) 13:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious content in introduction 

message: There's no source for this being an experimental rock album. Allmusic's review states that this isn't a nu metal album. (Sugar Bear (talk) 23:41, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

message: OK, so maybe I didn't discuss this in the talk page before doing it. But seriously, the entire track overview section is horrendous. Poor grammar and writing style aside, it's not even necessary for an album overview. I am yet to see a Wikipedia article (on an album, as well) aside from this one which actually has such an in-depth analysis of the tracks. I'm a Deftones fan myself; however, I feel as though this is entirely inappropriate for an encylopaedia. Am I the only one?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/124.185.219.62|124.185.219.62[[ (talk) 11:46, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole section should be deleted; it violates several touchstone Wikipedia policies (WP:RS, WP:OR) and is pretty poorly written. Seegoon (talk) 13:54, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Okay Carnotaurus, let's be clearer here. You're advocating (and in fact encouraging) editors to engage in original research, which goes completely against the principles of Wikipedia. Listening to a song and writing about how it makes you feel, regardless of whether you deem it "obvious", constitutes primary research on your part. Please don't take this personally, but it appears to me that what you're trying to do is not what Wikipedia is for. Perhaps Wikia would be a better venue for this kind of interpretive writing. Seegoon (talk) 14:59, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Carnotaurus, I've found pretty much everything you've argued about in this section to be completely wrong and almost completely based on opinion and personal interpretation. Anyways, if anyone is going to give overviews on the songs, it probably should be someone with a better grasp of how to write grammatically-correct sentences and spell correctly. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk •  contributions) 20:22, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

text: No one cares about your previous disagreements with me about Muse, or whether you "owned" me or not. It's completely irrelevant. Any discussion here would be better spent demonstrating how to mention individual songs in an album article without providing unverifiable, original research. If you want a prime example of how to do this, I would recommend looking at Achtung Baby. Or alternately, you can describe how the songs came to be like The Dark Side of the Moon does. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk •  contributions) 12:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Track Overview - Deletion?

message: This section have been created due the continuos genre warring in pages related with the band Deftones i found that one editor is heavilly determined with introducing the genre "Nu metal" in numerous articles, i've reverted it's edits because and restored the genres to the ones that due convention Deftones is always labeled because: 
*No verifiable/reliable source has been given
*The band themselves disagrees with being labeled as such
*Nu metal and Rap metal aren't the same genre.
I'm inviting the I.P. user to discuss his/her point of view and to provide reaal verifiable refernces,otherwise i'll revert all of his/her edits Massivesquid (talk) 19:24, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the genres in the infobox... 

message: --72.251.108.163 (talk) 03:55, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nu Metal]] 

message: I have a review of the album that suggests White Pony is nu metal, even if that one song mentioned in the last section is not for some odd reason.
It also goes on to say straightforwardly that the band is even nu metal. While iTunes tags right below the artwork and price on the album are not necessarily correct/true/agreed upon/reliable (ex. the Hair Metal classification) their reviews are reliable, right? If not, give me a simple explanation of a reliable source. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 19:56, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal of adding nu metal into the infobox for genre 

message: It appears that Scott Weiland assisted with the vocal lines on the song Rx Queen and sang part of the chorus - possibly as a guidance vocal as Moreno noted here. It is hard to hear, but apparently it is there as is discussed here. As the source is a) a forum and b) refers back to the article as a source - it can not be used as a reference; no credit on the album. Karst (talk) 14:59, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a fact tag to that, as the only source I could find (that wasn't a forum or other definitely unreliable source) was here: http://www.deftonesworld.com/txt/deftones0500.txt. Chino says "I...worked with Scott Weiland (stone temple pilots) on the vocals for the bridge. he came up with a really cool harmony for me to sing". He doesn't come right out and say "Scott sang on this song", just that Scott helped him write it. Honestly, I think that credit should be removed from the article (assuming no reliable source can be found supporting it), and instead a mention made in the "Musical and lyrical composition" section. Something like "Scott Weiland helped Moreno work on the vocals for the bridge of 'RX Queen'."[reference] 98.158.92.230 (talk) 20:36, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scott Weiland 

message: The allmusic review for it seemingly describes it as post-grunge in the beginning. It does seem to be the only one saying this, but it seems a reasonable description. Would it be okay to add it? DannyMusicEditor (talk) 21:11, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ....[[post-grunge]]? 

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message: I think dream pop and post-hardcore should be added as they both flow very well with the album.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PugsNotDrugsHD333 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Dream pop inspiration is mentioned in the lead already. A sound flowing well with another sound is a very different thing than being in a distinct genre. If this album is part of one of those genres, there should be reliable sources written by experts in the field specifically saying so. If you find one, please feel free to add it.   Adrian[232] 05:18, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

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message: Alternative metal and Nu metal aren't the same thing. White Pony isn't a Nu metal album.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:18:46:1475:9C5A:79B1:E5C2:938 (talk) 21:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: We are aware there is a difference. The album is both, you are wrong, and there are sources in the body asserting such a label. It is acknowledged that it is much less so than their previous two releases. dannymusiceditor  oops  01:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative metal or Nu metal.