Talk:Port Chicago disaster

message: An IP added some info to the article based, according to the summary, "see page 14 paragraph 2 http://www.petervogel.us/lastwave/chapters/LastWave_Ch10.pdf". This was reverted by Binksternet with as summary "Revert... Peter Vogel is not a reliable source.". That is not impossible, but why is Vogel not a reliable source? The Banner talk 18:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a reasonable question, as Vogel may (just may, I don't know) fall under one of the exceptions to WP:SPS in that he's published material on this same subject in traditionally reliable sources, e.g. , which is cited in some, though not many, other traditional reliable sources.  So it's plausible, anyway, although I'm not arguing for it here, that his self-published "web based book" may be reliable for some things.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 18:50, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Isn't Peter Vogel the nuclear explosion conspiracy theorist?  I regard the theory that the black sailors were used as guinea pigs in a nuclear test as being about as credible as the theory that HIV was invented by the CIA to eliminate the black population of the United States. --Yaush (talk) 19:21, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: At Talk:Port Chicago disaster/Archive 0, Vogel's theory was discussed in depth: he thinks that the Port Chicago explosion was really a nuclear explosion, with the government trying to cover it up. Vogel was determined to be a fringe character worthy of brief mention, for the purpose of shooting down his theory. If there was an article about Vogel his theory would be more prominently discussed, but Vogel does not meet WP:BASIC and so he has no Wikipedia bio. Vogel's theory gets a bit of ink at List of conspiracy theories. Note that there are lots of other Peter Vogels on the planet, including some with Wikipedia biographies, and a banned user who was socking. The Peter Vogel who has a nuclear explosion theory is none of these people—he was an information officer in New Mexico, then he became a journalist, then a self-published writer. Binksternet (talk) 19:38, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That settles that for me.  Thanks— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:40, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

text: That is indeed a reasonable explanation. The Banner talk 19:54, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
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message: Robert Allen's book says that the trial was held "on Yerba Buena Island, more popularly known as Treasure Island."  In fact Yerba Buena and Treasure Islands are distinct islands, connected by a causeway, and Naval Station Treasure Island consisted of both of them (except for a Coast Guard station on Yerba Buena).  The exact location of the trial is unknown, but I find Dr. Allen credible that it was on Yerba Buena.  All the buildings documented as marine barracks, and the one mentioned as used for courts martial, were on Yerba Buena.  Since most accounts say the trial was "on Treasure Island," the least confusing statement is that it was held "on Naval Station Treasure Island." Bilofsky (talk) 22:55, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Good research work, Bilofsky. Thanks! Binksternet (talk) 01:32, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of Trial