Talk:Speculation

message: Why is "true worth" in scare quotes? - FrancisTyers 05:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Scare quotes

message: * Sections or new pages are desired in terms of Land speculation or Land speculators or Real estate speculation in terms of public policy, pushes to sprawl and community interests.  Rauterkus 11:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Needed

message: In the current version, the first paragraph contains an example (airlines and oil futures), together with a comment about why it may not in fact be applicable.  This suggests to me that it should be replaced with a better example.  — Alan✉ 20:48, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: well, instead it has been replaced by utter BS :) I wrote what you were commenting on: I agree that it was not that good, I simply put it in because it was vastly better than what came before. However, offering the example of why it may not be true I think is a good thing. There are a lot of investment noobs coming to wikipedia, and I think it is a good idea to illustrate for clarity, and then point out that things may not be as simple as they appear on the surface. People should not be taking investment advice from here, just learning. 74.68.152.245 (talk) 15:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  example in first para 

message: The idea on this page, that speculation means taking risk, and investment entails no risk, is total BS. A better definition is that investment encompasses all exchange of cash for longer term assets, and that speculation entails increasing risk, and hedging means decreasing risk.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.68.152.245 (talk) 15:16, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  "Strictly speaking," that sentence is bogus.  I'm taking it out. Reddaly (talk) 02:02, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it was reverted, I adjusted it again today to reflect to avoid the implication that something is not an investment if it involves risk.  I use the phrase "pure investment" meaning it a little more in the economic sense of the term.  Speculation is a tough thing to define.  I am going to dig into the "Intelligent Investor" to get some of Ben Graham's infinite wisdom on the subject.NByz (talk) 00:40, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this - its bogus. You guys have to understand that the media uses the word "investing" most of the time because its not scary or ridiculed, like the word speculator. Since the beginning of our markets on wall street, speculation has had a bad ring to it, and speculators even worse. This goes back to the NYSE and LaSalle Street games. During the great depression, many of the poor peasants in America blamed Speculators for CAUSING their starvation and homelessness, and for many years America has gone into and out of regulation (often wrongly) on speculators. Over the years, society has come to accept that speculation is necessary or our economy can't function, thus those 'ban the speculators' actions don't really happen anymore. But this is why people think the term INVESTING refers to not losing pricipal - which is a total crock of shit. Think of all the "House Flippers" who are actually speculators, they think that, 'buying houses is a safe investment' - yeah right. Only in a rising market :)Danceking5 (talk) 09:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree, I also have a problem with him defining speculation as someone who trades price fluctuations rather than fundamentals. This is just plain in-accurate. In many ways it is safer to trade price fluctuations because it mitigates risk. Speculation to me in negative terms is an action which does not consider or appreciate the possible risks. These can include all types of investments. Two people could make the same investment, one could be speculating while the other is not. It is not about the investment, it is about the risk to that individual as a whole.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:681:4A03:6C22:FD88:5A77:2306:32C2 (talk) 01:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  investment means "no risk"? total BS 

message: I wonder if this shouldn't be moved to financial speculation, and the current Speculation (disambiguation) to speculation? Thoughts? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 21:51, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to [[financial speculation]]? 

message: Following my suggestions above, I have 4 related changes to propose to improve this article. Some of the current language in the Investment vs. speculation section is misleading. Specifically, the following:
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This wording is inaccurate, because although speculation is a distinct type of investment, it is still an investment. The way the current wording attempts to draw a contrast between the two concepts is misleading, and is contradicted by the following claim in the section that many long-term investors are in fact speculators:
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What's more, the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission defines a speculator as a particular type of investor or trader: "a trader who does not hedge, but who trades with the objective of achieving profits through the successful anticipation of price movements". Based on this quote and sources including this journal article, as I understand it, speculation should be viewed as an investment strategy, not something that can be identified by comparing with investment.
For this reason I'd like to suggest the 4 related changes as described:
*Update the section title from Investment vs. speculation to Speculation and investment
*Add the following paragraph to the beginning of the section, to explain the relation of speculation to investment:
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*Remove the following wording from the section, since it lacks support from citations and tries to create a false contrast between "speculation" and "investment":
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*Remove the following, as it is confusingly worded, again provides an incorrect view about speculation being distinct from investment and is not supported by citations:
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If these seem like neutral and reasonable edits, I would appreciate if someone could make these for me. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 22:34, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Having reviewed the content I agree with WW_Too and so have made the changes suggested, Sargdub (talk) 06:44, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further suggestions 

message: I have just one more suggestion to make to improve this article. The first paragraph of the Economic bubbles subsection is poorly structured and entirely uncited, with multiple  tags. Here's what it says now:
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The information this paragraph presents is not wrong, but its wording is slightly misleading and could be significantly improved through careful editing and better attribution. I'd like to suggest replacing this with the following language, which is clearer and supported by reliable sources: 
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If these changes seem neutral and acceptable, I hope someone else will make them.  Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 22:15, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed I feel these changes improve the content and so have applied them.Sargdub (talk) 05:47, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for making the update. Page could still use a lot of work, but that's all I have for the moment. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 12:52, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  One more suggestion 

message: There is a type of land speculation that I think does not fit into this article and probably deserves its own article.  I am thinking of the type in unsettled areas, such as along the frontier of the United States that was practiced by such companies as the Ohio Company and such individuals a William Penn.  Buying unsettled land, developing it, sub-dividing it, advertising it, and selling off plots is not the same as speculating in oil in the 21st century. Good idea? What should it include? --Bruce Hall (talk) 03:14, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate article on land speculation? 

message: speed trading>> Gold Fix Drawing Scrutiny Amid Knowledge Tied to Eruption>> Secret Currency Traders’ Club Devised Biggest Market’s Rates (Lihaas (talk) 15:19, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: California City should be added to the "see also" section. Around 1958, people were buying and buying lots of this city in the Mojave Desert in California. This represents a form of speculation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hot Wheels 516 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  California City, CA 

message: "speculation is any investment that increases the risk of your portfolio; hedging is any investment that decreases the risk of your portfolio". The problem with any other definition is that it will fail in some cases. For example, is selling calls on a high beta stock or commodity speculative? It is if you don't own the underlying asset; it is not if you do own the underlying asset. It's the rest of your portfolio that makes the difference, not the investment itself. Saying "covered call" does not describe the investment, it describes your portfolio. Now, I'm sure you'll immediately cite WP:SHITDONTNEEDTOMAKESENSEHERE I get it, I just thought I'd edumacate you so you have a chance of evaluating the language of the article on your own. (oh, and an asset is defined as something which will return value in the future, so it's silly to talk about speculation as an investment that hopes to return value, that's the definition of investment; investment is buying assets; anything else is expense.) 66.65.118.87 (talk) 16:39, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is only one rational definition