Talk:Cypriot refugees

message: “On August 2, 1975 the two parties reached in Vienna the Voluntary Exchange of Population Agreement, implemented under United Nations auspices.”
Utter rubbish! No such thing as a “Voluntary Exchange of Population Agreement” EVER took place! What you seem to be (intentionally) confusing is the…
The Third Vienna Agreement - August 1975
http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa2006.nsf/All/0658E5B2F4D1A538C22571D30034D15D/$file/August%201975.pdf
Where you’ll find that the words “population” and/or “exchange” are not even mentioned in this document! It was a temporary humanitarian UN facilitation for broken families and missing persons and certainly not a “population exchange”!
Get your facts right and article credible!
All references to “agreement” in political articles should be escorted by a credible link to that agreement, so the reader may observe what you’re talking about!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.149.182.112 (talk) 10:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The Third Vienna Agreement - August 1975

message: Bits like The human rights of the refugees wishing to return to their former homes and properties are currently being violated as their return is denied by the Turkish army.
Is now out of date, as under a order from the ECHR,  . So far I believe that 3 cases have been concluded so far (Despite oposition from the Greek Cypriot government)
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=34015
--SolDrury 11:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This article needs updating

message: Please contribute freely Aristovoul0s 18:00, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cyprus Refugees

message: Another great nationalist contribution to Wikipedia. Greek Cypriots are not the only refugees in Cyprus. TC's became refugees long before 74 when the Greek army under Grivas was terrorising their villages. Inflated GC figures, original research, words like "Turkish Brutality", accusations that TC ministers shot GC protestors, usual legal documents criticisng Turkey etc etc. Need i say more. --A.Garnet 19:54, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  disputed tag added 

message: I've deleted the "comparisons" section as it was unencyclopedic. It's like having an article about the Iraq War and having a section saying "imagine if America was invaded - here's what it would be like". —Khoikhoi 22:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparisons 

message: There were too many images depicting the Greek POV, so I decided to add one that is well-known to most Turks. Hopefully this won't cause any problems. —Khoikhoi 23:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added another image 

message: I just don't get where all this animosity comes from, it is because of this very reason that Wikipedia's standing takes a hit.. Maybe the world doesn't merit an open encyclopedia because there are way too many people who harbor so much animosity and have agendas.. Ditto A. Garnet Baristarim 23:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's just so beautiful 

message: Doesnt the content of this article fall in the older article Civilian casualties and displacements during the Cyprus conflict? --A.Garnet 08:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it does 100%. Anybody interested in performing the merge? •NikoSilver• 11:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree. Plus, this one has an ugly title... --Michalis Famelis (talk) 12:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civilian casualties and displacements during the Cyprus conflict 

message: *changed "occupied" to "controlled", as the latter seems to be the more NPOV option here. Compare to articles about Nagorno-Karabakh (Azeris called it occupation, Armenians probably saw it as liberation), therefore we just say that NK is controlled by Armenians.
*The map shows up to where the Turkish forces extended during the invasion of Cyprus in 1974. For the time of the invasion occupied should be the NPOV term. Please see the related articles. Aristovoul0s 21:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons 

message: I agree with the addition of this article to the Civilian casualties and displacements during the Cyprus conflict article as a separate section, cause Civilian casualties and displacements during the Cyprus conflict is more general than this one. E104421 12:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Cypriot refugee covers different period.80.250.128.5 12:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the periods. After the merging the content would be enhanced to cover all. Merging does not mean removing! So, it would be better to present all the information given in these articles under a single general one. E104421 12:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One more comment for user 80.250.128.5, you should first discuss your reasons here in the talk/discussion page before removing the tag. E104421 12:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging

message: This article is highly biased. —Khoikhoi 15:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will soon. —Khoikhoi 17:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't remove the dispute tag  

message: Please list your cited arguments and we will discuss them all, one by one. Thanks Aristovoul0s 17:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have listed them, now what will you do about them? --A.Garnet 23:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have no intention of sorting this article out. I've added  tags for now, will decide how to resolve this later. --A.Garnet 13:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is POV about this article 

message: Turkey currently does not recognize the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee This statement is false, infact Turkish policy about Cyprus is based on Treaty of Guarantee.--Hattusili 06:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1960 Treaty of Guarantee 

message: I believe only now the article resembles something morelike an encylopedia entry. I tried to focus it just on displacement and property, removing all repeated information concerning casualties and the conflict from other articles. Removed all the politically charged pictures, Greek and Turkish, added relevant info about the Annan plan, EU accesion and Turkish Cypriot property commision. --A.Garnet 14:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User after user has told you this page is pov, read the comments on the afd, everyone has accepted it is grossly pov. You have made no attempt to correct it, no attempt to find citations, no attempt to improve it in anyway. Unless you can come up with a better suggestion, i see my version as the only version fit to be here. --A.Garnet 17:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major reorganisation 

message: There is a void during the period of 1963-1974.  I believe there were peaceful attempts to resolve this deadlock over the functioning of the government, the enclaves and with both side tantalizingly close to an agreement in the months before the 1974 events.  
I am anticipating that people may argue that the "void" is due to the fact that there was Turkish-Cypriot non-participation in the government of the Republic of Cyprus.  Nevertheless, events between these years reflect, either significantly or insignificantly depending on apparent point of view the diligence of Cypriots to try to resolve the constitutional differences.  
(UNFanatic 20:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am curious. 

message: Question: I know that Turkey was one of the guarantor powers, the others being Greece and the UK.  Thus  within this role as a guarantor power, it recognizes the Republic of Cyprus, to which it is a signitory of the treaties of the establishment of the country.  When did Turkey withdraw recognition of the Republic of Cyprus?  From my understanding, not recognizing the Republic of Cyprus entails an abandonment of the role as both a guarnator power and an abandonment of the right to intervene to return the country to the original status quo of the treaty, to which it has never done.(UNFanatic 21:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkey and the Republic of Cyprus 

message: The current version is an improvement, although tilts the balance over to the other POV. I think this version is a much better starting point for improving the article. The references are good (nothing from hilariously propagandistic Greek sites). Many more (reliable) references are required, and the bit about Turkey joining the EU should go. This version reads much better than the previous version in terms of style and neutrality, although there are a number of spelling mistakes (although possibly not more than the previous version). I think that Kekrops suggestion is good, wrt. "Makarios proposed several amendments to the constitution which Turkish Cypriots viewed as a threat to their constitutional status". 
Also, the "1963-74 background" summary needs to be neutralised a bit. All-in-all a much better article to start work with. It would be great if you guys could work together here to improve the article with a view to getting the protection lifted. You might try raising issues, or making suggestions for expansion, and then see how the others see it. I'll start off:
In the paragraph starting "Through the years multiple demonstrations and rallies...", I'm curious, were the womens protests for the same reasons (e.g. return of property?) I thought there were some protests due to "disappeared" husbands and sons. If there were, these should be mentioned. This might not be a specific thing about refugees and might to better in one of the other articles though. - Francis Tyers · 14:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the feedback. I'm all for working on it. I asked Kekrops for suggestions, all i got from him was a request to revert the article. However now it seems the Greek Cypriot demonstration has been given its own articles so there should be no complaint about this version. --A.Garnet 19:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvement

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