Talk:Ogaden

message: The article about Ahmad ibn Ibrihim al-Ghazi (Ahmad Gurey or Ahmad Gragn) says he was from Zeila and does not mention Ogaden at all. (Also, the Akisho, Gadabuursi, and Leelkase articles each claim he was from those respective Somali clans). -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 21:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: truthfully he is from akisho clan of gadobursi while i am from bahgari of ogaden sub clan  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.155.64.150 (talk) 17:06, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: 
Actually Ahmed Gurey is from The Yabare sub-clan of the Jidwaq clan and it’s written in Futuh Al-Habash Somali boqor (talk) 11:46, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahmad Gurey 

message: Why is "Ogaden" spelled "Ogadēn" in this article? There has been no discussion on this talk page about this style? Is there a good reason to replace the more common English form with this variant that apparently reflects local pronounciation? -- llywrch 04:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know.  Sesel changed it back in May without an edit summary.  - BanyanTree 13:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering about this too, because I've seen a number of maps where the name is spelled "Ogadēn". This one is from the World Factbook and uses the "ē" spelling (though it is hard to discern).  I have another map at home with this spelling.  If this is the correct spelling then perhaps a page move is warranted (easy enough to do, but thought I'd bring it up first).  Also I'm not sure if the same spelling issue applies to Ogaden people. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 17:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  I'm admit to a bias of avoiding accents, diacritics & other fancy add-ons to letters in names, unless this usage can be shown to be fairly common. This is because I've struggled thru more than my share of scholarly works pedantic correctness has unnecessarily kept me from recognizing the familiar names of people & places. Would anyone take issue if we just moved this back to "Ogaden" & added a note in the introduction about its proper pronounciation? -- llywrch 21:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope.  A tweak for readibility with a note about the technically proper pronunciation sounds just about right. Cheers, BanyanTree 22:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

text: No objection. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 14:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, I've gone ahead & changed it -- & I'm guessing at the pronounciation, so if someone knows it better please fix. I also changed the spelling of some of the towns listed in the article to agree with other links. -- llywrch 17:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ogaden?

message: Would somebody like to fill in what the history of the region was before the British Colonial office starting writing its version?  I apologize for my assumption that it was either part of the ottoman or egyptian empire and that these empires probably collected tribute as the extent of their control.   Glad I was corrected but would like to see more.
* Walashma dynasty?
* Adal sultanates ?
I am obviously clueless. --Rcollman 00:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History before Europeans

message: I am on my third revert in 24 hours regarding the following sentence: "The fact that some Somalis call the entire Somali region of Ethiopia 'Ogadenia' is a cause of much friction in the region, because other clans have a significant presence in the area."  The sentence previously listed the names of other clans in the area, but the cited source did not actually mention these clans by name (link). Thus I removed the names of the clans, having seen previous edit wars over which clan resides in a particular place. Anonymous editors (different IP addresses, but same ISP) keep restoring the clan names (and as the IP keeps changing, I'm not sure the editor is seeing my "User Talk" messages, or whether it's the same editor).  As I am already on my third revert, I will not remove the unattributed information should it reappear. Instead I propose adding  to the sentence.  Furthermore the source in question is an opinion piece, perhaps not the best choice of reliable source in the first place. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 00:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, I'm not too worried about three reverts, given that I'm removing unattributed information (still, I'd rather avoid an edit war).  I have added another source (link) but it doesn't specify the other clans, either.  Also this article did not mention that there is a clan called Ogaden, so the sentence in question was lacking context.  I have addressed this, as well. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 00:38, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other clans 

message: An anonymous editor is repeatedly changing the attributed text in the article.  To date I have blocked 4 different IP addresses (3 with the same ISP, all 4 in Saudi Arabia).  I am asking the editor(s) to cite additional sources if they believe the existing ones are incomplete.  Otherwise, if the edit pattern continues then I propose semi-protection for the article. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 03:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The anonymous edits continue to appear from new IP addresses.  I am protecting the article for a week, in hopes that the editor(s) involved might use the talk page to discuss what they're trying to do. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 19:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  February 2008 edits 

message: I'd definitely reccommend a semi-protection on this article. Too often we've got people without the guts to register and stand by their comments, who use poor English and have no idea about NPOV. Mdw0 (talk) 04:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi protection time

message: User:GuledCasowe added a map and infobox (with Somali Region's flag) to the article, identifying Ogaden in such a way that it appears synonymous/contiguous coextensive with Somali Region.  I didn't think this was the case, though.  I thought the region was (slightly) bigger than Ogaden itself. (Kind of like how Holland is not the entire Netherlands; Russia was not the entire Soviet Union etc.) -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 03:16, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replaced  with  (though I wonder if  might be better).  I'm not aware that Ogaden has ever been an official administrative division (e.g. a Province or a Region), but  uses map and flag defaults that assume this is the case.  Furthermore, I don't believe that Ogaden is synonymous, or coextensive, with the Somali Region (for example, Haud is also part of the Somali Region).  Thus, I also don't see how Ogaden has a capital or established boundaries.  I'm not sure what to specify for | subdivision_type= in the infobox, as it isn't (officially) a state, region, province, district etc. so I used "Region (non-administrative)" for now. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 17:39, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

text: See also  which says "Ogaden is a territory in the southeast of the Somali Region in Ethiopia." (In other words, not coextensive with the entire region.) -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 15:48, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ogaden infobox 

message: Hello The Ogaden comprises the biggest portion of Somali Region. The Somali Region consists of 9 provinces, which 5 were part of Ogaden Raz Gez, a Province in the Derg Regime, the other four zones were not part of Ogaden Province during Haile Sellasie and Mengiustu Haile Mariam. on the other hand. yes the map is the same, but am looking for the correct map of Ogaden in the near future. For some reason Ogaden is currently synonymous to Somali Region, even the Hard Liners Ogaden Rebel Group claim Harar and Awasa as part of Ogaden.
On the other hand, the new census, which was undertaken in 2007, although it is not official predicts that almost an estimated 2,300,000 people live in the Districts that Ogaden's inhabit. Note that the Somali region consists of 52 districts with varying population number. Largest number of people, as the census says, live districts not inhabited by Ogaden. There's some reason because, census staff didn't go the Ogaden districts due to insecurity issue. So still the census is contested, but I took the number by adding all the districts that inhabited by Ogaden, minus those districts that other clans co-inhabit with Ogaden.— Preceding unsigned comment added by GuledCasowe (talk • contribs) 04:06, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning about the Map of  Ogaden 

message: It seems to me unnecessary to use rare words like "irredentists" for a general use encyclopedia.90.3.84.127 (talk) 06:35, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: vocabulary

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: To add to article: an etymology of the word "Ogaden." 76.189.141.37 (talk) 00:21, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
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