Talk:List of popular Christmas singles in the United States

message: There's a new 12 Days of Christmas song I found on iTunes (evidently just uploaded there). It's called "The Metaphysical 12 Days of Christmas" done this year (2010). It's a fun take-off on this song! 157.22.252.53 (talk) 22:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New parody found 

message: Upon further consideration (after editing/adding entries in the article this week), I have to agree with others that feel the article is too unwieldy due to its size and lack of focus.Even though consensus was reached last month to keep the article, I'm now thinking it would be a good idea break up this article into at least two separate articles: one for Christmas hit singles that have charted in the United States, and another one for Christmas hit singles that have charted in the United Kingdom.  The US-only article could have multiple tables (one for each type of chart, as Mjrmtg mentioned), or maybe continue keeping only one table and either reference the type chart in the Additional Information column (as is presently done) or have multiple columns for each type of chart (Pop, R&B, Country, Christmas).  The cons of the latter approach include a table with too many columns.  Yet another option is to have multiple articles: one article per US music chart.However, whatever route is taken, there will end up being a bevy of songs that are currently in the table that have never charted anywhere; these will have to either be removed or relegated to a some sort of "miscellaneous popular holiday songs list/table" (though maintaining that could become even more unwieldy and welcome far too many new entries).The size of the current article is already much too large in the attempt to make it more thorough, but something's gotta give.  I need feedback from as many users as possible.  This would make for a good project in 2011.   --Sliv812 (talk) 08:36, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that breaking this list into separate Billboard charts would be beneficial. But I can see the advantage of having the US charted Christmas songs and the UK charted Christmas songs in separate lists. Granted, there are some songs that would be on both lists, but moving the UK songs to their own list, would make this article less unwieldy. Both articles would probably need to be renamed as well, to reflect the change. Fortdj33 (talk) 14:11, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I took the first step, by creating an article for List of Christmas hit singles (UK). There is still some work to be done in updating both lists, but everything that I could determine was strictly UK material, has been moved to the new article. If we decide to make this article strictly US, there are additional songs that will need to be removed. Fortdj33 (talk) 14:57, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Chad!  I'll help out where I can if I see a song that only charted in the UK that you haven't removed from the parent article yet.  Two suggestions though.  Can you rename the new article to List of Christmas/holiday hit singles in the United Kingdom?  I'd rather spell out the region in the title of the article instead of using the abbreviation.  There's another article that I've continuously been updating this year titled Best-selling Christmas/holiday albums in the United States, where both the country is spelled out and the term 'holiday' is included in addition to 'Christmas'.  The other suggestion is that, at some point, we'll need to rename the original article to List of Christmas/holiday hit singles in the United States.  Thanks.  --Sliv812 (talk) 20:01, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your suggestions and help in cleaning up the articles is appreciated. I based the title of the new article on similar articles that I've found, such as List of number-one singles (UK) and List of Christmas number one singles (UK). I'm not opposed to changing the title of either article, but I think that the inclusion of "/holiday" is unnecessary, since we are specifically dealing with Christmas songs, and Wikipedia users are unlikely to type "Christmas/holiday" as a search term. If a source presents itself, which specifically refers to "holiday" songs, then we can include that word in the title at that time. Fortdj33 (talk) 20:31, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Deletion, but Evolution 

message: It would be nice if the year the song was released was separated from the artist.  I came here looking for Christmas songs from the 2000s, but could not sort by date.
71.232.131.59 (talk) 15:54, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that would be a useful feature, but unfortunately it would only affect songs on this list that originated in the 2000s. Any songs that are remakes of previously released material, would not be found sorting by date, since they would be included in the "Additional Information" section. Fortdj33 (talk) 16:10, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Chad, I'm afraid I'd have to disagree.  I'm sure the sort feature of the column would properly handle years prior to 2000 as well. Isn't it simply a numerical sort?  Am I mistaken? I'm fairly certain that originally, the Year information wasn't even included in the Artist column (at least not with a majority of the entries).  As you know, this information was later added to indicate which year that the version listed in the Artist column was first released.  As long as we somehow point out that the Year column designates the year that the version of the song by the listed artist(s) (in the Artist column) was/were first released, I don't see any issues with breaking out the year information into its own column (barring any sort capability limitations with the wiki table).  As is currently the case, the Additional Information column should be used to designate cover versions of the song (and preferably only cover version that charted). However, the only potential issue I see with breaking out the Year information into its own column is with entries that feature more than one artist in the Artist column.  An example is "Baby, It's Cold Outside", in which there were five different versions of the song that charted in 1949 (though only the two versions that were the biggest hits that year are listed - both had equal chart peak positions and chart stays). Sliv812 (talk) 16:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry if I was unclear. I understand that any sortable "Year" column would work for years prior to 2000. My point is that sorting by year wouldn't really improve the performance of the table, since the "Artist" column would only contain the original artist. For example, all of the information for Susan Boyle's version of "Silent Night", Taylor Swift's version of "Last Christmas", or any of Kimberley Locke's hits ("Frosty the Snowman", "Jingle Bells", etc.) is in the "Additional Information" column. So anyone looking for charted versions of those songs, without knowing the original year of release, would NOT be able to find them sorting by year. In my opinion, the limited functionality that would be gained, would not be worth the effort needed to separate the "Year" into its own column. Fortdj33 (talk) 17:22, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Artist and Date

message: Greetings Everyone and Happy New Year,
Now that the 2015 holiday season has come and gone, I've been thinking about modifying this article by breaking up the list into two tables:
* One table for songs that actually charted on at least one United States-based music chart (as published by one or more reputable music/entertainment industry trade publication, with Billboard magazine being the most obvious)
* Another table for popular Christmas songs that are in the general public conscience but (as far as known) have never charted (though the introduction of multiple Holiday music charts by Billboard over the last 10 years on its website has made this less of an issue than it had been previously). 
Obviously this would be a rather involved undertaking that would require hours of research and effort on my part, but I think it would make the article a more "legitimate" and useful tool.  As it stands, there are far too many entries in this ever-growing list that have never charted, and if we're going to set some level of standards, requirements and expectations, I personally think this may be a viable approach.
Further, because of the tremendous size of this article, its data would likely best be served by the use of a database rather than a static (albeit editable) wikipedia page. However, I'm currently unaware of any database media offered by the Wikimedia project for information management and display (please do not hesitate to enlighten me if there is).
Thoughts? All feedback is welcome.
Sliv812 (talk) 23:06, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I don't see the advantage of splitting the list into multiple tables. This list should simply be Christmas songs that were released as singles in the US, and any chart information can be included the "Additional Information" section, especially if the song doesn't already have its own article. If we use the criteria above to start sorting the list, I think a majority of the songs on this list fall into the first category, and placing the few songs in the second category into a separate table, would defeat the purpose of having a sortable list... Fortdj33 (talk) 16:48, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Overhaul Recommendation 

message: Toyland. Doris Day did it. Who else? Who popularized it? Thanks.--Artaxerxes (talk) 15:20, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I just checked my copy of the reference book Christmas in the Charts: 1920-2004 by Joel Whitburn, and in the Singles section, there is no entry for Doris Day's 1964 rendition of "Toyland" (or any version of the song with that same title for that matter). The closest version of the song that charted was a 1961 adaptation by The Vonnair Sisters titled "Goodbye to Toyland", which "bubbled under" the Billboard Hot 100 chart in January 1961, peaking at No. 115. Nat King Cole also charted with a 1955 recording entitled "Take Me Back to Toyland" (reaching No. 47 on the Billboard Top 100 Sides chart in early 1956), but that appears to be a completely different song. Hope this helps. Sliv812 (talk) 20:42, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles to Add 

message: In my opinion, the page was much better before it was separated into sections representing the first letter of the song title.  Before, you could easily group artists together to see all of their listed songs. Djaymiller (talk) 11:41, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New alphabetizing