Talk:Engrish

message: I felt like some of the photos were a little generic - they were just notices in bad English. I've tried to replace them with more interesting ones showing non-functional English text applied decoratively. Hope that's OK. Blythwood (talk) 22:26, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planning to add some new photos 

message: Because it seems perfectly accurate to the stereotype: [ĩŋɡu͍ɽiɕːu͍] Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 13:32, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand the question. Of course it is accurate to the stereotype, because stereotypical Engrish is pronounced in the Japanese fashion. Japanese people (unless they are truly bilingual) usually pronounce English and other foreign languages this way, adapted to Japanese phonology and phonotactics. Not only loanwords, but also longer utterances. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 18:28, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Well sure, but I meant that without a source someone could have easily inserted the "Engirisu" pronunciation jokingly. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 10:38, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe, though the Wikipedian who inserted the pronunciation here seems to have acted in good faith, as he has added pronunciations to many other articles. True, Engrish is an English, not Japanese word, but in principle it can be used in Japanese as a loanword, and the pronunciation can be predicted accurately because there are precise rules for "Japanification" of foreign languages. So at worst it's a tiny bit of OR and not really germane to the article. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 03:02, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is that Japanese pronunciation real? 

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message: This term is clearly Japanese related. Why does it say Chinglish is a part of it?  That should be a related term. Japanese is not the main language in Asia.  Legacypac (talk) 06:10, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
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message: That tshirt image isn't a good example. It still makes sense. It just has some grammatical errors instead. Highfalutin is a real English word too. Gune (talk) 18:53, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are interpreting arbitrariness in a literal manner seeking causality. As religious people do with any phenomenon.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4118:9000:4C77:F3DA:72BE:22F9 (talk) 10:32, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any idea what you're talking about? 2605:A601:5A5:F100:D4C7:DD48:2065:964 (talk) 06:38, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Tshirt Image

message: I first encountered Engrish in Monty Python, where my impression was they were NOT poking fun at any Asians, but rather at the shallow stereotype manner in which Orientals were portrayed in media, particularly pantomime (roughly the UK equivalent of vaudeville/burlesque).
For what it's worth, a '90s BBC Overnight (radio) segment was presented on how "BBC English" has changed the language, particularly the suppression (perhaps erasure) of [r]. It was introduced as a piece about "the disappearance of the British 'r'" which of course sounded like "the disappeawance of the Bwitish 'ah'." They brought in a speech therapist who tried (with limited success) to correct this. I should highlight that this is likely the diametric opposite of Engrish, being a fiat "official" English sometimes called received pronunciation.
Actual Japanese usage is hardly so crude. When searching Japanese websites for older LPs by Bill Nelson (musician), I'm basically seeking the characters that make up Bi-ru Ne-ru-so-na (ビル・ネルソン). 
I cannot recall ever hearing any person of any Asian race substitute "l" for "r".
As a sometime singer, I find it a fantastic exercise to turn lyrics into Engrish — swapping every "r" and "l" — in realtime.Weeb Dingle (talk) 16:30, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  sorry, many small thoughts 

message: The article seems to only talk about Japanese pronunciation of English. But the first section said Engrish refer to Asian pronunciations of English. So can the article be more general? 117.82.186.61 (talk) 14:45, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article's point of view is not general 

message: This article is slowly circling the proverbial drain. It even begins poorly: the header says it's
::about mistakenly broken english
but Broken English is about intentionally broken English. How the heck can THAT be true, when (for instance) Monty Python probably didn't use Engrish on accident?
And as I mentioned at Talk:Broken English: I see how the ostensible topic morphs from "comedic form of broken English" (i.e., intentional) to "random misspellings and grammatical errors of English that have appeared in Japan, oh and among other Asian cultures too" without any clear supporting connection. That not only directly contradicts the headnotes of both Engrish and Broken English, but looks like synthesis.Weeb Dingle (talk) 16:20, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the problem. Engrish originated as misspoken or mistranslated English, but was then parodied for comedic effect. Doctorhawkes (talk) 22:46, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  losing its way 

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message: Looking through the talk archives I see that this page has been called offensive several times. To me the existance of the page certainly isn't offensive, but I'm surprised to find no mention that the term may be considered pejorative, at least. I'll do some sourcing and add this unless someone else beats me to it. Retswerb (talk) 08:07, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pejorative 

message: The line "the correct pronunciation of the romaji letters is not taught" is highly suspect. I recognize that my anecdotes don't amount to much, but I had the dubious distinction of being employed as an assistant language teacher in Japanese public schools and half the reason I was there was to help teach pronunciation. Reading and writing is certainly emphasized, but pronunciation isn't neglected nearly to the extend the "Other suggested roots" section implies.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnInfiniteArc (talk • contribs) 19:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation is a part of English education in Japan 

message: I'm sorry, what are you talking about?  The article goes on to describe it as "defective Asian English" that "may often be meaningless or grammatically incorrect", with "emphasis...not put on coherence or correctness".  By whose standards is Engrish correct? Esszet (talk) 23:10, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel that this is a much more objective, encyclopedic phrasing. I did however remove the internal link to language change, as that is not mentioned anywhere in the article and could be debated as to whether that's a valid connection to draw.--Megaman en m (talk) 03:00, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What?  The examples given are objectively bad English, "Lovey-Dovey Night Highfalutin" doesn't make sense in any language. Esszet (talk) 14:02, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That's only if you view it as a way of communicating. It can also be viewed as mere decoration or a way to denote status, just like Europeans might use incorrect Japanese kanji in movies or as tattoos without caring about whether it's correct or not. If you go to the maker of that shirt in the lead and tell them how it's bad English, they're not going to care, the English is just decorative.--Megaman en m (talk) 17:25, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, that's why it's bad, they don't care. Esszet (talk) 17:02, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

text: And of course, a lot of them aren't decorative at all. Esszet (talk) 17:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Perceived" 

message: If 'Engrish' is not to be confused with 'Jinglish'(as the page says), then why does the page 'Jinglish' redirects to the page 'Engrish'?
Mranmolv1 (talk) 16:05, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not to be confused with Jinglish 

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message: Example:
Standard japanese english vowels, ‘[a]’ ‘[i]’ ‘[ɯ]’ ‘[e̞]’ and ‘[o̞]’ Juidzi (talk) 10:52, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Engrish/Japanglish vowels