Talk:Alpha Phi Omega

message: Do we still need to have the list of all-male chapters at co-ed institutions?  I understand that even Delta has gone co-ed now. Henrymrx (t·c) 05:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find anything on Delta's website http://www.aphio-delta.org to support that they have gone co-ed.Naraht (talk) 11:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not reflected in their chapter website yet, but I have received confirmation from a Delta Alum and current Board member that they are co-ed as of April 2009. Dr. Cash (talk) 14:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

text: When you have an appropriate reference... :) Naraht (talk) 15:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

text: That may be your understanding, but I have seen no sign one way or another on the chapter website. According to the National website they are still active, and I have a non-public source that indicates that they have sent in the initiation fees for the spring '09 new brothers. If you would like to inquire further, please do so on my talk page.Naraht (talk) 01:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of all-males 

message: Right now I'm working on a page for APO-USA chapters at User:Naraht/Alpha Phi Omega chapters. It's from a file from the national office, there are some issues such as active petitioning efforts showing up as Active. I still have to add/change entries in that column for active/inactive/PG/IG/closed. Right now I'm working on getting rid of as many red links as I can. I'm going to leave the one for Central YMCA College since there *should* be an article on it.Naraht (talk) 19:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see several dates in there being listed as January 1, <some year>. I think the '1/1' should be removed in those cases, only listing the year. When they entered those into the database, I think they were required to put a month and day, so they just put '1/1' since they didn't know the exact month/day. For our purposes, it's better to simply put the year. If a month/day other than January 1, is listed, then it's fine to keep that, though. Dr. Cash (talk) 20:11, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. While I know there was at least one chartering at a National Convention (Northern Arizona U). I doubt that anything in that table *really* occured on 1/1/year. One reason that I haven't touched the dates yet, is that I'm looking on taking the source back to my UNIX machine and transforming the dates to the DTS template which will allow sorting, but the rechartering dates and dates of inactivity may not be useful for that. (I'm considering making those two fields unsortable.) Also, I have to figure out how to make the Regions sortable in a reasonable way so that IX doesn't happen between IV and V. The simplest solution would be to simply have the arabic number in the column, but I *think* there is a smarter way. Yes, it would involve some massive substitutions, but that's what copying Wikipedia source to either Wordpad or worst case UNIX for use of sed, awk or perlNaraht (talk) 20:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Article for Central YMCA College created, only red link left is Frederick College which is in Virginia.Naraht (talk) 16:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Working on Alpha Phi Omega chapters page 

message: It is my understanding that what was previously on the wikipedia page for APO was a factual recollection of the recent events dealing with open membership in the past couple of years. I did not find it offensive or biased. Why was it taken down?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.202.179.91 (talk) 17:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The question is how much information about Alpha Delta's split with Alpha Phi Omega belongs on the Alpha Phi Omega page. While the split is a *major* part of Alpha Delta's history and should be on the Alpha Delta page, whether or not it is a significant enough part of Alpha Phi Omega's history is debatable. (note, that I'm not sure which side of the debate I'm on) In round numbers, these were 1% of the chapters in the Fraternity. (3 of roughly 350)Naraht (talk) 17:26, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Understandable, but if an organization were to create legislation that caused a part of it, however, small to leave, I would imagine that it would be worth mentioning. From what was on the page, it did not discuss Alpha Delta, simply mentioned that chapters had joined a different organization. I do not know too much about what happened before or since, but I would guess that the one or two lines that were up are probably still valid.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.202.179.91 (talk) 17:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The text on the Alpha Phi Omega pages does mention by name (and give a link to Alpha Delta). And as far as I can tell the information is accurate (I'm on the Alpha Phi Omega history Committee and have talked by email with various Alpha Delta brothers by email). Accuracy and Noteworthiness are equally important.Naraht (talk) 19:16, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Just because something is accurate does not necessarily mean it should be included.  I don't want to see us fall into the trap of giving undue weight to relatively trivial information.  Frankly, I think the article is too long as it is.  Henrymrx (t·c) 15:17, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  APO Recent Edits 

message: I think that given the fact that the initial 6 advisors are all listed, that the other 13 founders should be added. If so, should we do it in text or as a bulleted list?Naraht (talk) 16:17, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Founders? 

message: My personal opinion... SRB should not be mentioned on this page, OTOH a mention on the History of Alpha Phi Omega in the Philippines would be quite reasonable if decent sources could be found. I googled for "scouts royale brotherhood" and 1975. I found no hits in the first 100 that would consider a reasonable non-primary source for the year that it was founded. If *that* can't be found, what is the possibility of getting good secondary sources. (And yes, this does have the standard issue of references for fraternities in the Philippines being *considerably* more difficult to find clean references on than US fraternities for several reasons. :( )Naraht (talk) 18:22, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scouts Royale Brotherhood 

message: It appears that all of the apo.org links used as reference citations are now no longer functional, as the national fraternity has launched a new design the website. One big issue seems to be that there no longer appears to be a comprehensive list of chapters on the site, though there is a "chapter finder" tool. That can, of course, confirm that a chapter at the school is or has existed, but it's still not a list. WTF? (talk) 18:42, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't select any filtering criteria, you get everything (including the kitchen sink, alumni chapters(!?!), and extension efforts.Naraht (talk) 21:09, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: They seem to have fixed the alumni chapters thing and it now says "alumni associations", which is correct. There's also a nice google map there, too! WTF? (talk) 18:50, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: But no information as to whether the chapters there are active/inactive/PG/closed or whatever. Also there are several missing in the general search, for example within 10 miles of downtown DC (20001) should include George Washington University, but that one is missing. It does show up when you select it directly. Even with the map, massively inferior.Naraht (talk) 14:56, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

text: The Student Chapters selection doesn't include Alpha Chapter, for example, so I would assume that it only includes active chapters. I am not sure why they list "Extension Groups" and "Petitioning Groups" separately, since PGs are, by classification, extension groups. It would be nice if they included the inactive chapters, too, but perhaps they decided not to include that, since the list is public, they don't want to overtly advertise all the schools there used to be chapters at? WTF? (talk) 18:26, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: For the points in 's posting.
*First we need actual references for this. "Data supported by the National archives, zeta chapter archives and letters of Earle Herbert" simply too broad and needed in article.
*Minutes/proposed bylaw amendments from 1970 would be useful, do the T&Ts at www.apoarchive.org say anything?
*First official female needs references. I have contact with someone who has talked to a woman initiated in 1950 as one of the charters at Central State University. 
*spelling, etc. Title IX is always used with the roman numeral
*Stating that it was definitively the tax exemption seems strange when focusing on the *internal* pressures above.Naraht (talk) 14:45, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I support  points on this matter.  The edits also add little to the encyclopedic nature of this article. — Lentower (talk) 08:15, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions: Regarding 1970 and gender equality 

message: I reverted your add back of your only cited sentence:
*This article does not need this level of detail, especially as Alpha Delta National Fraternity has it's own article.  (I will probably come back in a few days, and trim the Alpha Delta text further.)
*It claimed Drexel's chapter was inactive, but the citation pointed at a different university, whose chapter is active.
For the other chapter:
*Not being on a list isn't conclusive. A source that said the chapter went inactive is needed.
*Service fraternities are often not listed with other Greek organizations, but viewed as service groups, and listed elsewhere.
 — Lentower (talk) 17:38, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert add back of only cited sentence

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