Talk:Boyle Roche

message: Speaking of "The Letters of Junius", Roche referred to "an anonymous author called Junius."  I agree that "The Letters of Junius" had an anonymous author. But the author was not called Junius.  To speak of an anonymous author who is called anything is nonsense. This is why the quote is amusing (but only to some, apparently).  I would like to restore the quote, but I don't want to get into a revision war.  Opinions, please?
ubiquity 23:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not getting it. The author was anonymous. The author signed himself Junius, and was referred to by everyone as Junius, not as "the anonymous gentleman who signed himself Junius" - so he was "called" that in all practical senses. It looks vaguely amusing, I'll grant you, but it also (to me) looks like we don't know that Junius was a pseudonym... Shimgray | talk | 23:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The issue is now moot, with the movement of the quotations to Wikiquotes. As it happens, I removed the quote there, because I don't think it stands on its own as a quotation.ubiquity 21:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Is "anonymous author called Junius" a malapropism?

message: Was this coincidence, or a subtle joke on Roche's part? The name "Valentine" was the traditional name for the first-born son in Lord Kenmare's family. Lord Kenmare himself was one of the few Viscounts Kenmare who were not named Valentine, as the name had been given to his older brother (who died before he had a chance to inherit the title).ubiquity 21:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Speculation: Choice of Valentine's Day for apology to Lord Kenmare

message: I wonder if it is possible to get a portrait of Boyle Roche. All I can 
find is this. Maybe there is something at the Kerry Museum.Grouse 09:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am pretty sure that is a picture of Sheridan, not Roche.ubiquity 15:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph? 

message: I'm working on reviewing this as a Good Article, and while I'm not done, I've run across some issues.
# According to this page, a Lieutenant Boyle Roche of the 27th Regiment of Foot was captured at the Battle on Snowshoes, while serving with Rogers' Rangers in 1758. Is this the same person?
## I would guess not. I have more than one reference that states that my Boyle Roche was in the 28th regiment, not the 27th, and the fact that he was later known to have served at El Moro suggests that the army never thought him missing, presumed dead. The Roches were a large family, there may have been more than one named Boyle.ubiquity 12:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I added a couple of lines to deal with (1) and a footnote to deal with (4). If you think I really need to explain why Kenmare was recruiting (2) I will, but I don't think it's very interesting. I did add a long quote about Roche's recruiting methods. See what you think (I fear it's too long, but I don't know where to cut it, it provides such a great picture of Roche's love of spectacle). I assume your reply to (3) means we can leave it alone.ubiquity 20:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some issues 

message: Point 1: the prose is compelling, and indeed well styled. The structure is logical, and largely chronological, separating out his married life (of which there is relatively little to be said), and his quotation on birds, which has become a figure of speech. It appears to follow the manual of style in relevant particulars. No jargon is employed.
Point 2: the article is extensively referenced, and the sources appear to be reliable. Original research is not evident.
Point 3: the article covers all aspects of Roche's life. The sections on militaria and family life are short, but data on these is probably scant in general. It is well-balanced, considering that the subject's present-day reputation is largely based on a propensity for malapropisms.
Point 4: the article is NPOV. The principle POV issue, whether or not Roche's malapropisms were entirely unintentional id discussed evenhandedly.
Point 5: while extensively upgraded recently to improve its quality, the article does not appear to have been subject to edit wars, and is not expected to change greatly now that improvements are complete.
Point 6: the article does not contain an image of the subject. As the online ODNB and online database of the National Portrait Gallery contain no images of the subject, this is deemed acceptable.
I therefore certify "Boyle Roche" as a Good Article. Choess 01:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA review 

message: While trolling Google Books to discover his relationship or (as it appears) lack thereof with "Tiger" Roche, I found "The House of Cromwell and the Story of Dunkirk: with anecdotes and letters", James Waylen, 1880. His wife Mary was a descendant of Oliver Cromwell, and so he comes within the purview of the book. It quite definitely identifies the Lt. Boyle Roche, captured with Pringle, as being the baronet. Choess 06:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exploits in America 

message: I added a "peacock term" tag to the final line of the article. The specific words I am concerned about are "witty", "quickness", and "excellent." This is a good example of where the facts should speak for themselves without interpretation from Wikipedia editors. GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:45, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I removed this to allow the article to keep GA status. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:56, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peacock terms 

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Kittybrewster  ☎ 17:42, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional memorable quotations

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