Talk:Anti-vaccinationist

message: Is bad again.  I've taken the first line out as it could be misread as "anyone" rather than "one".  Wrongly, but possibly. Midgley 23:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So does that mean someone can be against vaccination without being an antivaccinationist? I'm not disputing what you're saying, but I know nothing about this topic. If that's the case, I think it's important we highlight it in the article. (I'm not trying to stir up any arguments btw, I'm here to write the best encyclopedia possible.) Bodil 08:14, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: SOme people describe themselves ("self-identify") as "vaccine critics".  In some cases this is a mask for being against all vaccines and trying to persuade others to not immunise their children. It has been asserted that in other cases this may be people who are against ("critical of") the use of some specific vaccine or component but by inference are in favour of at least one other vaccine, IE having a balanced view that includes criticising some specific vaccine for some specific defect.  This is not of course to be be taken to include those who calculate the relative risk and benefit of a vaccine - Mumps was mentioned - for a whole population, and decide to provide it at some time, having not provided it previously, nor those who compare the risk and benefit of Japanese Encephalitis B vaccine to the risk of catching Jap Enc B on a 1 week trip to the coast of Sri Lanka and decide correctly not to seek immunisation for it.  There is an absence so far, after rather a lot of requests, of any specific person and identification of their specific "criticism" who is specifically a vaccine critic rather than a lightly stealthed anti-vaccinationist. In 1798 and on to 1905 or so English was used more honestly and the anti-vaccinationists were clear about what they were about.  John has muttered venomously about the ablation by an afd which I had no knowledge of of a page of his called vaccine critics which from that afd discussion was a list of historical anti-vaccinationists.  After pointing out fof the first few times that it was within the power of any of the protagonists except "the invisible anon" to create a page I created it and there is an attempt at a definition there.  Midgley 09:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for explaining that Midgley. This issue is obviously more complicated than I first thought! Bodil 21:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening 

message: is that deliberate, to cut the anti-vax assertions in half? john 09:03, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-vaccinationist/Assertion table

message: Have to laugh you have deleted the number one anti-vaccine site on the internet. Fear.  john 21:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have no fear, the RFC is here. JFW | T@lk 21:49, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  i have no fear already, truth kills fear.  As for the rfc I can see you want to "legitamise" what you are doing already.   john 16:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleting Whale. to (&Vaccination .org.uk)

message: Webster dictionary   refers you to "antivaccinist" when you search for "antivaccinationist". I'm guessing the two terms mean the same thing, so can I redirect "antivaccinist" to here? Considering the controversy surrounding this article I thought I better ask before I make a redirect. Bodil 21:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Logical.  Fine by me.  Who are you steering into here, or whence?  Midgley 22:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I acted boldly and put in 2 redirects from antivaccinist and anti-vaccinist to this article. And Midgley, I don't think I'm steering anyone in here...? /me tiny bit confused. Bodil 08:06, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant whether there was anyone particualr inclined to spell it that way, or if they were coming from some particular article.  I'd read it if there were.  Midgley 22:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I googled for "antivaccinationist definition" in the hope of finding a good definition for the lead section (I didn't find anything useful) and the webster dictionary link above was one of the top results. I'm unfamiliar with the topic, so I've no idea if "antivaccinist" is in common usage. So, to answer your question, I'm not aware of any people/articles which spell it that way. Bodil 18:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect antivaccinist to here?

message: "On July 7, 1999, ... Stanley Plotkin, a renowned vaccine developer, said that it was fruitless to try to soothe vaccination critics. If antivaccinationists did not have mercury, they would have another issue, he said at one meeting. One cannot prevent them from making hay regardless of whether the sun is shining or not."NYT.  Plotkin is of course remarkably reputable.  Midgley 00:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He works for a vaccine company, so, he may be reputable but hardly unbiased to/a/plotkin.html. john 17:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  current use (NYT) 

message: Anti-vaccinationism  Not newly.  Midgley 02:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Vaccine critic  (not new)  I suppose could equally well be vaccine criticism.  Midgley 02:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vaccine Critic 

message: "a 'unified' movement is not required for an "Anti-" article to exist. See Anti-Catholicism and Anti-Mormonism. Moreover, there is an entire category for anti-catholicism at: Category:Anti-Catholicism --Uthbrian (talk) 16:57, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organised essential 

message: The Bowditch page is a personal attack, supported by Fyslee. Unless I can put a section in on lies by vaccinators, I suggest someone stop him doing so. john 14:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that the link is nice or adds much and support its exclusion! InvictaHOG 16:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Antivax liars

message: I'm going to merge all this trash over to Vaccine controversy, which is almost as poor. I will not be merging the histories because these have been separate articles for some time. And then, some clean-up. If there are any good objections, speak up! Cool Hand Luke 04:02, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging