Talk:Ben Zion Aryeh Leibish Halberstam

message: User:IZAK attracted my attention to the very heavy partisan editing on this page, including blanking. I must implore you all to behave like you would on the bus: everyone can see you, everyone will notice the infighting and the resultant chillul Hashem. Does the kovod of your rabbonim mean anything to you? If you do not start contributing more constructively, I will see to it that this page gets protected from editing, and not necessarily with the version you desire. JFW | T@lk 07:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing this article

message: I am wondering; at the person; who for political expediency keeps putting back the link to the "Hasidic News" article.
 
My question to you is: 
Is everything permissible to you, to achieve your goal? That you are willing to pull down the Rebbe, Reb Shloime to any level?
Do you agree with the writer that:
1) He was a bit modern? (Chas Vesholem).
2) That Bobover Chassidim are known to be very neat and "bapitzt"? (Neat yes; but "bapitzt"? Do you consider Bobover Chassidim, Yankee Doodle "Dandies"?
3) That the Rebbe Reb Shloime acted as an advisor on a personal level, not so much as a spiritual leader? (What then was he if not a spiritual leader?)
4) That Reb Ben Zion is more charismatic and social then the Rebbe Reb Naftule? (Lefavdil bein chaim l'chaim).
and last 
5) That it was eventually unanimously agreed that the Rebbe Reb Naftule would become Rav and Reb Ben Zion would be named "Rav Hatzair"? (Wasn't the Rebbe Reb Naftule made Rebbe at his fathers levaye? unlike Reb Ben Zion who was not made Rebbe at his brothers levaye. So what does "eventually" mean? After how many hours?
And last but not least; "unanimously agreed" by whom?
Therefore I think you will agree with me that you should do Teshuvah, and you should remove that link. (YEIRE HAKOOHOL VEYISHPOIT)
We can debate, each aspect of this article; but only, if you want to have an intellectual discussion, and put all your feelings aside.
The writer is obviously not well informed about Bobov; as can also be seen by his description, that he "was in his young 20's when in reality he was in his late 30's. It's ridiculous to use this article as proof of anything. User:Issac | T@lk 00:21, 9 December 2005; 20:11, 12 December 2005
:I have asked  to offer his comments here. Please be concise and avoid emotional language. For the sake of other Wikipedia editors I would avoid terminology that is not easily understood. Not all Wikipedia administrators understand that "YEIRE HAKOOHOL VEYISHPOIT" means "let the community see and decide". JFW | T@lk 17:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What's going on?

message: Hello everyone, whoever you are: If you are a registered user, please sign all your comments with the four tildes ~~~~ so we can know who is saying what to whom. If you are not a registered Wikipedia user (editor) yet, please do so as soon as possible, it's FREE and it gives you more credibility than being an anonymous user, rather than making comments from the sidelines that no-one knows what to make of. Thanks a lot. IZAK 01:44, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sign all your comments with the four tildes

message: In order to start the process of neutralizing this article & all articles of Bobov, let me explain why I removed the following phrases.
"Presently, he is the Grand Rabbi of the Main Bobover Synagogue" was written in order to give the impression, that he is "the" Grand Rebbe of Bobov; which is untrue, because two people consider themselves "Grand Rebbe" & ultimately "Bais Din" will decide who is "Grand Rebbe".
"himself a scion of the Dombrover and Kartshiner dynasties" was written in a major campaign to "stick the name "Kartshin" onto Rabbi Unger so as make people think that Rabbi Unger abdicated from being "Grand Rebbe of Bobov" & now calls himself with a different name. Why not write all his ancestors that founded dynasties? Also Rabbi Unger's ancestors belong in an article about him.
"(an odd claim, since the Rebbes of Bobov always tried to avoid dispute)" is an "opinion" which belongs here on the talk pages; not in the main article.  
"In the mean time, Rabbi Ben Zion functions as the Grand Rebbe of Bobov in the 
Main Bobover Synagogue.  Rabbi Mordecai David is the Grand Rebbe of his followers, 
who have already begun to set up new institutions for their new community, 
including two schools." is again an attempt to plant in people's minds that Rabbi Unger has a "new" community & accepted a different name; and at the same time trying to stress that Rabbi Halberstam "functions" as the "Grand Rebbe of Bobov"; while Rabbi Ungers Chassidim consider him, as "functioning" as "Grand Rebbe in Bobov".
That the succession box was removed; is self explanatory; until after the "Psak Beis Din"; & then it can be brought back & updated accordingly. Same goes for the category of the "Rebbes of Bobov" & to him being called the "second". Issac 17:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lets Neutralize this article to a [[NPOV]]