Talk:Banksia brownii/Archive

message: *Inflorescences are typically terminal on a branch, with other branchlets subtending it
**Because they are usually subtended by branchlets
*old withered flower pages.
*one of the lowest outcrossing rates
::Thanks, fixed. Snottygobble 05:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jargon 

message: : See User:Edward Z. Yang/LinkFix dump for context.
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LinkFix Dump
Banksia brownii
2006-07-12.23-28-12
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20 Habitat -> DISAMBIG
25 Perianth -> DISAMBIG
25 Infructescence -> Inflorescence
36 Endemism -> Endemic (ecology)
36 Celcius -> Celsius
# DONE
— Edward Z. Yang(Talk) 03:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Edward. Best to leave the link to Perianth I think. I've fixed the others. Snottygobble 03:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Perianth wasn't really a disambiguation article. I have fixed this by removing the disambig flag from Perianth. Snottygobble 03:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: nice bot, i'll do the Banksia artcile ones shortly Gnangarra 03:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linkfix Dump 

message: The Good article nomination for  has failed
:Technical terms need explaining.  Midrib, perianth, tepals, pistil, anthesis and fructescence are all words which few outside botany will understand.  Worldtraveller 20:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've always taken the position that a technical term with a linked page does not require an explanation within the linking page. I've actually often removed such definitions. Circeus 21:04, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you for the review, I do disagree with your reasonings GA criteria in part 1 section (d) necessary technical terms or jargon are briefly explained in the article itself, or an active link is provided.. Gnangarra 00:59, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well now, that's better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick, isn't it? Thanks Circeus for requesting a review. Snottygobble 05:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Good articles|Good Article]] [[Wikipedia:Good articles/Nominations|nomination]] has failed 

message: I have today obtained three more references:
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I'm also aware that there is a (very short) article on the species in "Threatened Australian plants: overview and case studies", a number of copies of which are floating around the public library system. I'll get hold of a copy eventually. This would leave only unpublished CALM and DEH reports left to cite, and the only way to get hold of them would be to take a trip into the WA Herbarium library. Probably not going to happen.
Funny how you think an article is complete and then you come across another lode of references. 
I'll need time to digest these before working what they have to say into the article, so for now I think we should continue with the GA review. Snottygobble 03:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: sounds good, I'll try and get to Alexander library in the next few days they should hold a copy there. Gnangarra 03:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Second floor, Tec shelves, Q 581.68 THR. Copies also at Kelmscott, Whitford, Midland, Morley, Perth, Joondalup, Lesmurdie and Melville. Snottygobble 04:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: theres more detailed information here than in the book Threatened Australian Plants, the best way to describe the publication is a collection of wikipedia like pages. Gnangarra 04:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More references

message: After spending the morning reading the articles on b.brownii in , the banksia atlas, threatened aust. plants, proteaceae of WA, encyclopedia botanica and banksia book (3rd edition) i couldnt find any unaddressed subject matter, if anything this article has more detail than those publications combined, therefore I have upgraded this to A class. Gnangarra 05:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A class

message: I updated the distribution map shows 2 distinct population groups and gap from the coast, you may need to refresh your cashe "crtl F5" in IE or "crtl shift r" in mozilla, Gnangarra 12:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: To do revived

message: *How large is the population,
*Is it threatened by dieback
*Soil conditions, from memory the soil near hopetoun is similar to albany so I have assumed this in the ditribution section.
:I sent an email to the Herbarium on Friday requesting answers to these and other questions, but have not received an answer. Rather than making assumption/inferences I think we need to state what we know about the main population clusters, based on our references, then separately mention the new collection. This would prevent readers from assuming that everything we say applies to the Hopetoun collection too. Rewritten. Snottygobble 01:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hopetoun population - questions 

message: OK folks, can't see where this should go so have a play:
Cas Liber 20:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sweet! Snottygobble 23:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: great, I have added to the article Gnangarra 00:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I just added it too. Backing up.... Snottygobble 00:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had rotated the image so that it would make a smaller thumb (see below), so that it would fit in the description section. The image is more appropriate as an illustration of the description section, but the bigger image looks more impressive. Thoughts? Snottygobble 00:12, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: detail on the large version adds value to the article the rotated version takes the reader from the page to view detail, as saw with GA they tend be reluctant to do that. Gnangarra 00:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. But I really want this image where it is relevant to the text. I've killed the infrageneric classification box and put that information in the text, so that the leaves image can go in the taxonomy section, where it is relevant to discussion of the two forms. Also it can now be seen from the description section, per Skittle. Is this okay? Snottygobble 01:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: OK then, looks good. I defy anyone to fond a more inclusive text on this plant anywhere. The only problem I can see will be the inevitable dicussion on technical terms. What say we nominate it? Cas Liber 04:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. With this last image we have done everything humanly possible except look at the unpublished reports in the Herbarium library. I also think it's time to nominate. What do you think, Gnangarra? Snottygobble 04:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaf variation image 

message: Its done I have nominated this article for FA Gnangarra 07:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: FA nomination

message: I've been working on the lead, what do you think about this:
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Banksia brownii, commonly known as Feather-leaved Banksia or Brown's Banksia, is a species of shrub in the plant genus Banksia. An attractive bush with fine feathery leaves and large red-brown flower spikes,, it is highly valued by Australia's horticultural and cut flower industries. It occurs naturally only in three population clusters in the southwest of Western Australia. It is rare and endangered in its natural habitat, with all known populations currently threatened by Phytophthora cinnamomi dieback, a disease to which the species is highly susceptible.
Speciemens were first collected in 1829 and the plant was formally classified in 1830, there were two more changes to it taxonomy classification before its current classification. B. brownii is highly valued by Australia's horticultural and cut flower industries with seed, plants and grafted varieties available in Australian nurseries.
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the piece striked thru has been moved into the second para. Gnangarra 00:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm working on this too. Can you give me a little while to respond? Snottygobble 00:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this? Snottygobble 01:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible new lead 

message: I received a response to my questions about the Hopetoun collection from Karina Knight at the Western Australian Herbarium. She has advised that
#The Hopetoun collection is a carpological specimen i.e. it is merely a fruit or nut
#They have not been able to locate the specimen in their collection to verify its identification as B. brownii
#She has removed the geocodes from the record, so it will stop showing up on the map next time the map is refreshed.
#Unless/until she finds the specimen and verifies the identity, we should assume that B. brownii does not occur on the Esperance Plains.
I will update the article. Gnangarra, can you update (or rather downdate) your map?I have reverted to a previous version of the map.
Snottygobble 12:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As promised, the rogue dot has now been removed. Snottygobble 05:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good to see, :) Gnangarra 05:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hopetoun collection

message: This article is now a Featured article. Thanks and congratulations to all who contributed. I have today submitted it to Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. Snottygobble 12:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. Done. Snottygobble 23:39, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: FA