Talk:Parsley massacre

message: I would like to invite contributors to discuss the change of name for this article. Why Parsley Massacre as oppose to Haitian Massacre?
Parsley Massacre is the most distinct name for the massacre.  Haiti Massacre seems too general.
Btw, the template for this doesn't seem right as a "battle."  In the vein of the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide articles, it shouldn't have such a table on the right.  Also, I'll add this event to the list of massacres —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.123.209.60 (talk) 04:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haitian massacre or parsley massacre ? 

message: Should be some explanation of the "shibboleth" aspect which gave this its name; see http://www.ling.upenn.edu/courses/Fall_2003/ling001/shibboleth.
html etc. -- AnonMoos (talk) 20:23, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Actual origin of name

message: I don't know how to fix this but the author Richard Turits is cited as Richard Turtis.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by OrizagaJones (talk • contribs) 06:43, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  correction to source citation needed 

message: pnh (talk) 11:53, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population of the Dominican Republic 

message: "Of the tens of thousands of ethnic Haitians who died, a majority were born in the Dominican Republic and belonged to well-established Haitian communities in the borderlands, thus making them Dominican citizens".
The previous paragraph has multiple problems, for which I have deleted it. First, as indicated in the introduction to the article, the "tens of thousands" victims claim is at best unsupported by any evidence, and at worst a deliberate exaggeration. Second, the claim that "a majority were born in the Dominican Republic" is totally unsupported by any evidence, and highly dubious considering the location of the events, in the border areas. Finally, even if any was born on Dominican soil, that by itself would NOT make him/her a Dominican citizen. Most countries on earth do NOT award citizenship solely based on birthplace, so-called jus solis without restriction. The US and Canada are among the very few that do. Some, like Haiti itself, award citizenship strictly on the basis of blood line, so called jus sanguini. Since 1929, the DR has had a restricted jus solis policy, that excludes from this privilige anyone considered "de tránsito" ("transient") by Dominican authorities...Dominican judicial and administrative authorities have historically held that anyone lacking legal permanent residence was "de transito" for citizenship purpose, and hence excluded from jus solis priviledge, as were ilegal residents. A recent ruling by the Dominican Constitutional Court upheld previous rulings and policies on this matter. Virgrod (talk) 13:58, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reinserted this section as it is referenced from a reliable source. I removed "tens of" from the first sentence as this was not supported by the reference. If you have a good reference for your argument you should put your argument into the article with that citation. However, this is a controversial topic so it makes sense to give both sides of the argument not just one. Please reply to it, don't just delete it.     Djapa Owen (talk) 14:59, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as the official Dominican citizenship policy, I have an excellent reference: a much-talked-about recent ruling by the constitutional court, which is available for download at their site http://tribunalconstitucional.gob.do/node/1764 ...It is unfortunately in Spanish, and I know of no translation. That is the OFFICIAL position, regardless of what any other author may say, and whether anyone may agree or disagree with it...And it is as I wrote above, which you can verify by reading the ruling, if you are able to read Spanish. As far as the claim that "the majority" of the victims had been born on the Dominican side of the border (which would NOT make them Dominican citizens anyway, as discussed above), I would like to know how did the author verify their place of birth, which may have happened decades before the event... Obviously s/he can claim whatever s/he wants in his/her paper, but presumably some justification is necessary...Asking the victims was obviously impossible, and to my knowlege there is no  comprehensive list with names that the author could have checked against birth records...so how does the author reach/support his/her conclusion about the birthplace of the victims? Can you post the exact wording explaining this? Virgrod (talk) 15:38, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Those born to foreigners on Dominican soil NOT automatically Dominican citizens 

message: Quite an argument is developing in the body of the article and the reference section about the estimated numbers of casualties. It is quite appropriate for the article to discuss the fact that there is controversy on the subject, but the body of the article is not the place for the argument to take place, and especially not in the lead. This is obviously an emotional subject for many people, but the article must remain respectful, reasonable and stay based on reliable sources.     Djapa Owen (talk) 04:50, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not? I figure if there's a controversy on the actual number of people that were killed, that should definitely be mentioned in the lead. Actually, it should be among the first things mentioned, specially when you consider that the often touted estimates, which have zero basis, are about double of what's historically been reported. As you know the absolute highest figure given by Haitian officials is 12,166, yet many people still believe that around 20,000-30,000 people were killed in this incident. IslandMan89 (talk) 06:12, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casualty numbers 

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message: The article states that in 1975 Joaquin Balaguer was the intering foreing minister, but he was the President of the country at the time. Don't know if the mistake is from the source of the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.149.118.124 (talk) 20:15, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joaquin Balaguer 

message: it isnt simply racism or a hate for hatians. There is a difference of culture, a difference of language spoken. The hatians were occupying dominican land. 144.62.185.127 (talk) 11:39, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The motives given for the massacre is too simplistic