Talk:Arguments for and against drug prohibition

message: It seems that within this debate there is an enormous amount of ambiguity regarding terms - in particular 'drugs' and 'addiction' - and that this ambiguity is often deliberate.  As an example, the arguments under the "addiction" heading that 'drugs' are a societal burden due to 'addiction,' or that the use of 'drugs' is not a legitimate matter of free choice because of 'addiction,' depend entirely on what is meant by the two terms.  If by 'drugs' and 'addiction' someone means dramatically physically addictive substances like crystal meth, then the implication that use of 'drugs' is debilitating and not a matter of choice is quite arguable.  However, in the context of the statement, 'drugs' refers to all controlled substances, many of which have been shown to have a much lower chance of 'addiction' than, for example, alcohol (to say nothing of the difference between a dramatic physical addiction and dependency or habituation).  I'm not sure if there is much to be done regarding this re the article, but as it is a serious obstacle to clarity I thought I'd mention it in case someone thought of a legitimate way to clarify; as with many other controversial topics, use of ambiguity and semantics to damage the clarity of the discussion is a popular tactic.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.158.136.217 (talk) 04:13, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguity of Terms 

message: SallyScot, I am reinstating various sections where the original text contains explicitly more detailed information than the text you replaced it with.  For instance, where you have used a DEA quote, their information is not addressing the last 100 years of prohibition as is the original text, but rather speaks of only the last 30 years of that 100 year period.  The text that was there previously addresses a. success over the 100 year period, b. reasons for increases in drug use since the 60's, c. as well as the fightback of the 80's AND d. stats on how well that worked.  This is far more comprehensive than the DEA quote.  Also, a comparison between the percentages of illicit drug use versus licit drugs is crucial to any analysis of the effectiveness of prohibitive drug laws, especially when use of the prohibited drugs is so much lower than the licit drugs.  These, of course, are arguments unpalatable to those working to legalize drugs, but they are correct and fully cited, and are crucial to the argument.Minphie (talk) 00:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reinstatement of various sections on effectiveness of prohibitive drug laws 

message: I'm quite surprised to see no reference to the extremely heavily researched
The_Corner:_A_Year_in_the_Life_of_an_Inner-City_Neighborhood
I've not read it for a while but it definitely left me with the impression that that drug prohibition and the war on drugs was almost completly ineffective in reducing drug usage.
 EdwardLane (talk) 11:07, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Corner, and The Wire 

message: It would be good to have a table with a quick overview of the arguments, because it is very hard to process the data in the current format.--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 19:39, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Overview table summary would help

message: According to this link in the guardian a report (in which Richard Branson appears to have been a part) seems to have found in favour of taxation rather than prohibition. EdwardLane (talk) 16:46, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richard Branson and taxation 

message: The section for 'Drug laws are effective' features 12 data points, 2 anecdotes and 3 opinions in 563 words. 
The section for 'Drug laws are ineffective' features 1 data point, 10 anecdotes and 14 opinions in 1665 words.
Personally I am struggling to form an opinion on this matter and this kind of rhetoric is not helping.
46.182.185.40 (talk) 09:16, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Efficiency 

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message: The BMJ has recently published an editorial criticizing the war on drugs, citing a few peer reviewed studies to support their claims. Watching editors may be interested in incorporating it into the article. Saturnalia0 (talk) 07:34, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
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message: I jumped in Prohibition of drugs and discovered a mess. It points to way too many Main Articles. That means it could be made shorter with summaries. This article is way too long, and it has too few Main article references.  It should likely be divided.   In my view, the argument is simplified when we deal and dispense with the definitional problems first.  What is a drug? (in the context of prohibition)
We need to think of these articles in a hierarchy. Completeness is when all the topics are covered.  Encyclopedic style is achieved when each article only summarizes what falls below it in the hierarchy.  Here is an incomplete proposal:
Drug
:Prohibition of drugs
::Drug prohibition law
:::Drug policy of the United States
:::Drug policy of the Netherlands
:::Drug policy of the Soviet Union
::Arguments for and against drug prohibition
::Drug liberalization (significant duplication of Arguments for and against drug prohibition
:::DrugWarAnt
Just my two cents Rhadow (talk) 15:58, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restructure proposed 

message: Regarding this edit characterizing Mark Kleiman as the czar of Washington State. Kleiman had been mentioned in some 2013-ish press as formulating Washington's policy  but I don't think he's currently involved; and he resides in Los Angeles as far as I can tell. The state has a policy body called Washington State Liquor and Cannabis Board (WSLCB). ☆ Bri (talk) 17:22, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: He died in 2919, so the point is probably moot, but personally I pictured Washington's “pot czar” as being that state's equivalent of Howard Marks. Mr Larrington (talk) 18:19, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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