Talk:Pacific Coast League

message: I question whether the use of the team icons in this article is in compliance with Wikipedia's rules on the use of unlicensed media.  Please review this article and decide whether these images should be used in this manner here. Kelly Martin (talk) 11:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of unlicensed media

message: JCam, I restored the team name changes intentionally because of a number of reasons. 
1) You left a number of team name changes anyway, so if we're going to do this, it should be consistent.
2) In at least one edit in which you kept in the name change, you "fixed" a date which contradicted the timeline.
3) Name changes more often than not reflect a change in affiliation (an in many cases, ownership or leadership) for the team, such as with the Tuscon Toros/Sidewinders change.  Yes, Tacoma has a lot of name changes, but they are basically different teams.  The Tacoma Rainiers have not been the Rainiers since 1966, they've only been the Rainiers since 1995.
4)All of these name changes are already reflected on the specific team pages, so to not reflect them on the timeline is simply ludicrous.
Yes, there are a lot of name changes, and the Timeline looks a bit busy, but if there is to be a timeline of team evolution, it has to fully reflect the histories of the teams.  Minor League baseball is notorious for its instability.  To try and gloss over that is a disservice to the entry. Coyote42 08:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What's the source for this timeline?  It doesn't necessarily agree with all the articles - for example, the 1918 Sacramento Solons aren't mentioned in their article as being a continuation of the 1903-1917 Portland Beavers, but rather a replacement ("When Portland dropped out of the league after the 1917 season, a new Sacramento franchise was admitted to the PCL in 1918.").  Taking another team's vacated place in the PCL isn't the same as being that team.   I love this timeline, being able to chart franchise movements, but we need to source it carefully, especially the early days.  SixFourThree (talk) 16:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: With that in mind, I hope this revision of the timeline will better reflect what you brought up.  It's still busy, but at least it's accurate from the specific team pages. Coyote42 (talk) 10:52, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Beavers are leaving Portland, Ore. for Lake Elsinore, Cal. until a standard baseball facility opens in north San Diego County. Also the Las Vegas 51's could be moving to another city, most likely Rancho Cucamonga, Cal. where a class-A Angels affiliate, the Quakes are currently playing. The Golden Baseball League will place new teams in Portland and Las Vegas to replace them, while the class-A teams will find new homes. The GBL wanted to replace two class-A teams in Bakersfield (the Blaze) and the High Desert Mavericks, but will stay in the Cal. League this year. + 71.102.12.55 (talk) 16:52, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Teams Timeline

message: I believe the entry misstates the unique DH rule in the PCL. Rather than having pitcher bat only on mutual consent of the teams if they are both NL affilliates, that is the default. My understanding is that NL affilliates may optionally use the DH in games on mutual consent. Elsewhere in the minors, the DH rule is locked as stated.
I once called the league office regarding the opt-out prcedures, and was told it had not come up in recent years and that there was no SOP on utilizing the option. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.46.215.115 (talk) 12:12, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a change to the text to reflect this on April 26, 2017.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.220.36.254 (talk) 21:18, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: DH Rule

message: *New Orleans Baby Cakes: Miami Marlins ----> San Diego Padres
*El Paso Chihuahuas (Now Shields): San Diego Padres -----> Miami Marlins
--Nemoleeexe (talk) 20:30, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: AFFILIATE PREDICTION FOR 2018

message: For 2021? The Chihuahuas co-own a secondary team, the El Paso Shields in an independent baseball league (I don't know the name, there was a failed Southwest League of Baseball in 2019 that never played), and the NO Baby Cakes relocated to Wichita to become the Wind Surge. The article did not mention the Fullerton Flyers or San Bernardino Pioneers were a Pacific Coast League team in the 1950s after they were in the California League in the post-WWII era. In 1997, the Phoenix Firebirds played 19 home games in Palm Springs' in the former Angel (spring training, 1961-93) stadium. 2605:E000:100D:C571:9196:A1F2:33B1:81EA (talk) 02:04, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Fresno may not return in 2021 and possibly replaced by San Jose, currently a class-A Cal League Giants affiliate. Minor League Baseball is reducing the number of affiliated teams to 120 by the elimination of affiliation contracts of expected 42 teams. The Tucson Toros in 1997 were the opponents of Phoenix Firebirds then a Giants affiliate before their relocation of Fresno in Palm Springs. I'm not sure the Chihuahuas are going to be in the Mexican League, because Portland, Oregon wants a PCL team in 2022 named the Mavericks, one of the city's historic 3 Minor league baseball teams (the others are Beavers and Browns) and it's likely they will be co-op independent without a major league baseball team affiliation. The 2022 PCL will look different and might not have the Redbirds and Sounds if they switch leagues to the International. Adinneli (talk) 20:51, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   Where is your source about what you said about Fresno because I have not heard anything about the team not returning. I also have friends that work for the team and they are still selling season tickets among other things. If Fresno did leave and was being replaced any team could replace Fresno from the Class A-Advanced. My guess would be these teams San Jose Giants, Stockton Ports, Visalia Rawhide, Inland Empire 66ers, and Rancho Cucamonga Quakes. Joker4lifead (talk) 02:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Cal League plans to eliminate Lancaster and they need a 8th team whenever they're able to play baseball once the COVID-19 pandemic ends. San Jose leads the CAL in average game fan attendance, so it's possible for a triple-A team in the future (Giants or A's affiliation). Fresno is triple-A, a better position than class-A, the California League like you stated it's 5 out of 7 teams have a questionable future. The Padres' farm team in Lake Elsinore close to San Diego and Escondido who wasn't able to get a minor league ball team because they're close to San Diego, does well in game fan attendance, but like the San Joaquin Valley, the Inland Empire isn't a strong local economy. I believe the Grizzlies will save themselves from contraction, and the world series champs the Nationals' affiliation agreement seems to be working well. Adinneli (talk) 20:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFFILIATE PREDICTION FOR 2021