Talk:Flying ointment

message: "Belladonna acts upon the cerebrospinal system, as showing such symptoms as dilatation of the pupils (mydriasis), presbyopia, obscurity of vision, blindness (amaurosis), visual illusions (phantasms), suffused eyes, occasionally disturbance of hearing (as ringing in the ears, etc.), numbness of the face, confusion of head, giddiness, and delirium.   In very large doses it can cause extravagant delirium and a deep coma-like sleep.
Belladonna and opium exert the opposite effects, especially as regards their action on the brain, the spinal cord, and heart. They can be used as antidotes to each other in cases of overdose and poisoning."
Text taken from: http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/bell002.htm
So it would seem that belladona produces the dreamlike illusionary effects, while opium is involved to 'bring down' someone from the experience.   --74.179.99.253 (talk) 21:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effects of this ointment 

message: This ointment should be evaluated with the recognition that the combination of opium and tropane alkaloids was a routine anaesthetic from ancient Greece until the 19th century.  (please note that by "routine" I do not mean "safe" - but if you were having cataract surgery done in the first century B.C. what would you choose?)  The irony here is that the description of this "flying ointment" dates from a two-century interval during which this treatment was taboo in Europe (see Opium). Mike Serfas 04:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standard anaesthesia 

message: Erwoid has at least one description where the subject experiences flying after ingestion of belladona.  Many report lucid dreams and being places they were not (astral projection?).  http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.cgi?A=Search&S1=9&S2=-1&S3=-1&C1=-1&S4=-1&GenderSelect=-1&Context=-1&DoseMethodID=-1&Title=&AuthorSearch=&A1=-1&Lang=&Group=-1&Str=
Mike 01:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  On flying sensation 

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thread_title:  OT: Signatures 

message: Annoyingly the source give no indication who is is.Slatersteven (talk) 07:22, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Bacon was the first Baron Verulam, so it is likely him.--Auric  talk 15:08, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, my spelling aside.Slatersteven (talk) 15:11, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

text: Also, , I've added your name into your signatures. It seems you signed with five tildes. Revert if you prefer. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:33, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Curses unmasked!!!!16:45, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lord Verlum 

message: This is the first time I've read an article that seems to be a joke yet gives no indication that it is in the text or talk page.  Am I missing something here? TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:34, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: What makes you think this is a joke article?--Auric  talk 23:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Witchcraft aids made from the fat of small children?  And the comments on this talk page – applying with a phallus? Is this a real thing? It seems ludicrous. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 14:25, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well depends on how you define real, it's as real as the idea that a carpenter can raise the dead.Slatersteven (talk) 14:28, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

text: Well, there's the actual folk-medicine roots which are likely less outrageous, but you have to remember that most of what we "know" about this stuff from the early modern period and earlier comes from the church and those with a vested interest in demonizing witchcraft. So it's not surprising at all that there would be over-the-top claims made about this stuff. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:49, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it's also about ridiculous superstitions, but notable enough to be mentioned.  —PaleoNeonate – 21:45, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't really class it as a superstition. This is more like using digitalis for heart problems. It works, but not because of magic.--Auric  talk 00:41, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It works?Slatersteven (talk) 09:06, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the description, at least. --Auric  talk 14:46, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I think that might be something we need to change... ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:57, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joke article? 

message: related to what was removed (I did not check the original to see if those were really among the fantastical claims, or if they are synthesis in later culture): Regino of Prüm, Canon Episcopi, Witch-cult hypothesis.  If the first removal is to be restored, it should be verified and better sourced.  Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 23:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: See also The Botany of Desire (removed source)--Auric  talk 00:43, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent removal 

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message: MountainTraveler (talk) 18:58, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: We have an RS that (apparently) says the opposite, so you need an RS saying the above.Slatersteven (talk) 19:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transdermal Administration, Alkaloid Specificity and Recent Undo   

message: I have started a project trying to grow the main ingredients of "flying ointment".  I have documented some successes and failures, together with photographs of some of the plants, here:
https://postpeakmedicine.wordpress.com/2020/09/22/the-care-and-use-of-toxic-plants/
--Petergray4045 (talk) 08:20, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: and?Slatersteven (talk)
...and I've added said photographs to the Wikipedia page under "Gallery".  It would help if you were more specific - it took me a while to work out what you were (probably) talking about.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petergray4045 (talk • contribs) 11:25, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Growing the plants