Talk:April Ashley

message: As she has made TV appearances during which she has publicized the notable activities described in the article, I do not consider that the articles is in any way a violation of BLP. I assume she would be glad of the publicity, and perhaps she will provide at GFDL picture. DGG 02:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: BLP comment

message: In compliance with wikipedia:Manual of Style; I have changed all references to gender to female. See: "Any person whose gender might be questioned should be referred to using the gendered nouns, pronouns, and possessive adjectives that reflect that person's latest expressed gender self-identification. This applies when referring to any phase of that person's life. Nevertheless, avoid confusing or seemingly logically impossible text that could result from pronoun usage (for example: She fathered her first child)."
71.225.69.87 (talk) 23:22, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Gender

message: Re "A homosexual roommate raped her, and was severely injured as a result of the sexual assault" - this implies that the rommate was injured not her, is that correct?  It seems unclear.  Gymnophoria (talk) 13:10, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rape

message: After some thought, I've tagged this article as having questionable sources. Much of what has been said does not, to someone like myself with some knowledge in this area, ring true. Looking at the references, they are mostly things April has said about herself, which falls foul of guidelines on sources writing about themselves. At this point, removing those sources and then removing the resultant uncited material, as per the BLP guidelines, would destroy the article, so I'm not inclined to do that unless no further sources can be found. ~Excesses~ (talk) 19:30, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable sources 

message: I doubt if Ashley was given a dishonourable discharge, as the Merchant Navy was not a military organization. 
What she may well have received was an annotation in her discharge book reading DR for Decline to Deport. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 16:51, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dishonourable Discharge 

message: April Ashley was named at birth George Jamieson. ()
According to MOS:DEADNAME
"In some cases, subjects have had their full names changed at some point after birth. In these cases the birth name should be given in the lead as well".
According to MOS:GENDERID  (my bold)
"Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography § Changed names calls for mentioning the former name of a transgender person if they were notable under that name. In other respects, the MoS does not specify when and how to mention former names, or whether to give the former or current name first."
I can see no good reason why the original name of the person which is a matter of public record should be excluded from an encyclopaedia.  I do not agree with the reversion.  However I hereby withdraw my attempt to do so. Chemical Engineer (talk) 09:44, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Read more of MOS:DEADNAME, "In the case of transgender and non-binary people, birth names should be included in the lead sentence only when the person was notable under that name." In other words the name should not  be included in the lead. I cited MOS:GENDERID since you were refering to April as George before her transition, going against policy there to use most up-to-date preference for name in all cases. WP:BLP is clear on avoiding prolonging harassment and victimization. Since her former name was publicized against her will to shame her and push her out of  her industry I'd be against including her name at all. Prior RFC for other trans public figures who's former names have been published against their wishes have also followed this understanding of BLP to avoid including former names in these cases. Rab V (talk) 10:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

text: More to the point her former name was put out in the media to belittle her and ruin her career. She never used it professionally and including it will not let the reader understand April Ashley any better. The main purpose it would serves is to prolong harm and harassment the subject suffered. In this case I'm fairly certain an RFC would lead to a decision not to include the name due to WP:BLP and that has been true in prior cases that were even less extreme than this one.Rab V (talk) 10:20, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why "born George Jamieson" can't be added to the opening sentence. It's a simple fact, e.g. as with Lorielle London. By the way, the birth registration record at FreeBMD is this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:52, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Per MOS:DEADNAME.  London seems to have film credits under her birth name.—Bagumba (talk) 09:00, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: So that seems clear. I see no similar guidance on the use of birthname in the infobox, so I've added it there. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:38, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It clarifies the report. Without the birth-name, it is possible to read the intro para and not know whether April was born male or female. Valetude (talk) 11:06, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: MOS:DEADNAME only applies to living people, and April Ashley is deceased, therefore it's now ok to put her original name. 2.29.206.252 (talk) 19:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure where you got this... MOS:DEADNAME is under biography not BLP. Again, the question is do we have notability under the birth name. Antisymmetricnoise (talk) 21:33, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth name