Talk:Glossary of Dune (franchise) terminology

message: I created this article primarily as a central resource for explanations of what I'll call the 'minor' Dune terminology used throughout Dune articles but often not explained (like 'inkvine' or 'nullentropy').  Information on such topics is important but in many cases does not warrant an individual article.
There are certainly some Dune terminology stubs (and stubs yet to be created) that I feel should be merged with this list; I would say that any stub of only a couple of sentences has a place here.  If readers are simply redirected from where a main article would be, a full article could be created in the future should need arise, and links in other articles would remain accurate. (see Nullentropy, my own article which I have merged here)
For the sake of being comprehensive, I am including as many Dune terms as possible, with brief explanations and links to their main articles.  My thinking is that, like me, once a reader is on this page he or she may be interested in looking into other terms. TAnthony 23:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't expect you to keep track of three-year-old talk page sections, but for posterity: good call. The somewhat preposterous complexity of the author's world-building is a central feature of his works. This list helps get that complexity across to our readers well enough that we'd be hard pressed to do the same in pure prose. Attempts would likely either be too distant and sterile to give much of a feel, or get taken down as OR.The list also helps in the often unappreciated, but essential, task of describing what actually goes on in those works. Since they're about overintelligent people hatching "plans within plans" using lots of made-up words, it's help we need. --Kizor 21:15, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Creation of this article

message: This page is an important part of the Dune series of articles, as it defines many key terms that would otherwise exist as a host of stubs. I do see, however, the copyright issue. So, assuming this will solve the problem, I will go through the page and rewrite as many definitions as possible, and quote and reference the rest (and, or course, any of Herbert's phrasing at all). I will need a few days to accomplish this, of course! Please post here any related suggestions that would help in my efforts. Thanks. TAnthony 01:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've cited every direct quote from the Dune glossary as well as obvious rewrites derived directly from that source. I've also made some slight edits in some cases with copyright issues in mind. I know further edits, additions and rewrites will only improve the article, and it seems to not violate any policy at this point. TAnthony 06:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: Deletion tag/Copyright issues

message: Are these not descendents of the Tleilaxu (Bene Tleilax)? The article on the Fishspeakers seems to contradict what I have read in the later F.Herbert novels. Don't the Honoured Matres merge with the Fishspeaker council who are an offshoot of the BT? -- maxrspct ping me  16:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Fish Speaker article is indeed in need of work, but the Fish Speakers themselves have no Tleilaxu origins. They are only prominently featured in Frank Herbert's God Emperor of Dune and are assembled by Leto II. In Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse Dune Herbert notes that the Fish Speakers are basically disbanded; when the mysterious Honored Matres arrive, people guess that they are some evolved Fish Speaker-Bene Gesserit hybrid but are not sure. It is established in Hunters of Dune by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson that the "missing link" of the Matres is Tleilaxu women (arguably, Frank Herbert hinted at it and it was probably in his notes, used to write Hunters.) TAnthony 16:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't have my Dune Encyclopedia handy, but is there anything unique in it worth adding to the article? I think the basis of any Dune article should always be the novels themselves, with the Encylclopedia and adaptations as additional/ancillary sources if necessary. And yes, anything from the Encyc should have the proper reference or be in its own section, like in the Butlerian Jihad article. TAnthony 17:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Fish Speaker]]

message: Dune Messiah is filled with references to the Qizarate religion, but there is no definition here (Dune terminology) or on the Dune (Religion) page. If you have a good understanding of this could you add it to the appropriate pages?
::qiz / phiz - worshippers of the "head" / face that covers the N sky , q.v. ... and which the PS, Templars were enamoured of also - big phiz , 2nd dyn ah stee 69.121.221.97 (talk) 00:54, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Qizarate

message: Hi, The words Ayat and Buran refer to eachother for explanation that neither really gives.
Can someone please add to this?
Robin.lemstra (talk) 10:41, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ayat / Buran 

message: Might it not be more efficient to include a note at the top of the page to the effect that "except where noted otherwise, information comes from the "Terminology of the Imperium" glossary included at the end of Dune."?
Just wondering. ;) --SandChigger (talk) 09:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That was how it was originally, and someone tagged it as inadequately sourced. — TAnthonyTalk 18:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dune "Terminology of the Imperium" references... 

message: I realize I'm probably wrong (often am), but I had always assumed that the "plasteel" of the earlier novels somehow evolved (linguistically, that is) into the "plaz" of the later books by way of the natural drift of language over time. Just a thought.--172.190.16.197 (talk) 09:20, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Of plaz and plasteel 

message: ===Spice essence===
There seems to be some confusion here between the spice essence and the Water of Life. Some of this may be unavoidable as the books themselves are not completely internally consistent, even within the six original FH-written novels. (IIRC - haven't read them through in about 20 years.) I'll try to clear it up and if I'm off I'm sure some Dunian will correct me... Ellsworth 00:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are they not the same thing? I'd love to analyze some quotations from the actual texts on this one. I'll look. TAnthony 01:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've clarified the terms to some degree, though the article needs more work. — TAnthonyTalk 04:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

text: memories and personalities of their female ancestors.
I haven't tried to look it up, but if i were writing it, those memories would pass (in otherwise inaccessible form) from mother to daughter, but not from mother thru son to granddaughter. Perhaps a reference can be given on this talk page. The number of personalities (assuming n generations) is approximately 2n/2 as we have it written, and approximately n if what is intended is "ancestors in the female line". --Jerzy•t 01:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, no, it is not through the female line only. In Dune, all people carry genetic memories from their ancestors, male and female. However, Reverend Mothers are only able to directly access the memories of the females, because if they chose to access the male memories they would be overpowered and possesed by those male personas (much like happened to Alia). As such, female memories passed through a son would indeed continue to be passed down, only the Kwisatz Haderach can access those male memories. - I hope that answers your question? ATOE (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content from the [[Water of Life (Dune)]] article's talk page which now redirects to here 

message: There seems to be some confusion here between the spice essence and the Water of Life. Some of this may be unavoidable as the books themselves are not completely internally consistent, even within the six original FH-written novels. (IIRC - haven't read them through in about 20 years.) I'll try to clear it up and if I'm off I'm sure some Dunian will correct me... Ellsworth 00:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are they not the same thing? I'd love to analyze some quotations from the actual texts on this one. I'll look. TAnthony 01:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've clarified the terms to some degree, though the article needs more work. — TAnthonyTalk 04:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Spice essence

message: The term "spice trance" is never attributed to Navigators in the original series (and it is only used in Children of Dune). Alia refers to it as a "navigation trance" in CoD:
Not without reason was the spice often called "the secret coinage." Without melange, the Spacing Guild's heighliners could not move. Melange precipitated the "navigation trance" by which a translight pathway could be "seen" before it was traveled. Without melange and its amplification of the human immunogenic system, life expectancy for the very rich degenerated by a factor of at least four. Even the vast middle class of the Imperium ate diluted melange in small sprinklings with at least one meal a day.
TAnthony 02:43, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spice trance

message: It's an easy error, so it deserves discussion here, even if it's already correct in the article:
: memories and personalities of their female ancestors.
I haven't tried to look it up, but if i were writing it, those memories would pass (in otherwise inaccessible form) from mother to daughter, but not from mother thru son to granddaughter. Perhaps a reference can be given on this talk page. The number of personalities (assuming n generations) is approximately 2n/2 as we have it written, and approximately n if what is intended is "ancestors in the female line". --Jerzy•t 01:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, no, it is not through the female line only. In Dune, all people carry genetic memories from their ancestors, male and female. However, Reverend Mothers are only able to directly access the memories of the females, because if they chose to access the male memories they would be overpowered and possesed by those male personas (much like happened to Alia). As such, female memories passed through a son would indeed continue to be passed down, only the Kwisatz Haderach can access those male memories. - I hope that answers your question? ATOE (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Female ancestors. or ancestors in the female line? 

message: Please tell this user to do not remove lemmas. Thanks. 62.11.176.123 (talk) 04:08, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The novel establishes that chukka is some kind of food but never explains what kind. Further, this glossary is for terms used in our articles that readers may wish to know more about, and many redirects lead here. An undescribed food that is mentioned twice in one chapter is not notable enough (it is too trivial to be mentioned in any plot summary) and no one is going to try to look it up. Thanks.— TAnthonyTalk 23:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  TAnthony removes lemma 

message: I suspect the baliset used in Dune: Part Two (2024) is also an altered chapman stick, specifically the NS model. I've shown it to other players who think the same, but haven't been able to find anything confirming it online.
This is very much not that important, but would be significant in media representation of the stick, so I'm leaving this here in case any confirmation ever pops up. Also posting to the Chapman Stick talk page Equirax (talk) 03:51, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baliset