Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/Crime task force

message: I've added some categories to the crime task force page -- for crime writers rather than crime novels, but still distinguished by country of origin.  If this isn't the correct thing to do, please let me know.  I suspect there may be more categories to add.  Accounting4Taste 18:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are, but I'm not sure if "writers" should be within scope. Certainly the parent Novels project, focuses on the prose and the associated, characters, locations, etc and stops short of the biogrpaphies of the authors. That is more the realm of WPBiography. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:28, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see your point about the WPBiography project.  The trouble is, there are crime writers like Ellery Queen, Craig Rice and Phoebe Atwood Taylor (to name some I've been working on recently) where the information on the detective character is built into the page concerned with the author.  I suppose those would have to be split out into author and character ... a lot of work.  And for, say, Phoebe Atwood Taylor, there's little information available about the author, which would make for a very scanty article.  Your thoughts would be welcome. Accounting4Taste 16:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  It occurs to me that, regardless of whether or not these pages collecting categories of writers truly belong to this project, they are useful -- I might start working on, say, Lord Peter Wimsey by going to the article about Dorothy L. Sayers (although I realize those are both quite well-defined articles already).  I think I might find work to do for the task force by having these category tags on the page.  Does this make sense?  I don't mind deleting them if it's appropriate, no worries there. Accounting4Taste 18:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  I do agree that bios of writers are probably outside the scope of this project. But the bibliographies of crime writers, I think, definitely are within. For the important authors it might even be good idea to have navigational templates that list the books similar to the one in Raymond Chandler. Henry Merrivale 03:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added categories 

message: I have created the subcategory :Category:Crime fiction novels by author within :Category:Crime novels at the same time decategorizing corresponding novels from :Category:Crime novels. I think it helps to depopulate the mother category and keep it to the manageable size. As Kevinalewis pointed out to me, the fiction novel part of the cat name is redundant so I will correct it to crime novels by author. The reason for my stupidity is classification of authors: crime fiction vs. non-fiction crime. I also propose to create subcategory crime novel series. What do you think?
If this is reasonable then it would be good if we could come up with the list of authors and series that are important, interesting, or just so numerous that they deserve it. Henry Merrivale 00:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Superb work, if you could ensure :Category:Crime novel series is also sub/part of :Category:Crime novels & :Category:Novel series that would seem good to me. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh yes, one thought. When placing authors categories within a genre based category you need to be conscious of their entire  output. For instance, to my knowledge Agatha Christie wrote at least one Spy novel. If so then I would council keeping such an author in the wider :Category:Novels by author in addition until all their output is covered by such genre categories. In this case they author would then be dropped down and in this example to :Category:Crime novels by author and :Category:Spy novels by author. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 11:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  :Category:Crime novel series is up. Any suggestions as to what series deserve to be there? Henry Merrivale 10:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work, no ideas currently I'll  try and have a look a little later this afternoon. One thing the :Category:In Death (Novels) appears to be a rather badly named cat., should it not rather be something like :Category:In Death (novel series) with the disambig elements in lower case and clearly indicating the word series as many other series cats do. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subcategories 

message: This is definitely of interest for anyone in the Short Story Task Force. An editor is going around removing books from the various short story-related categories. The rationale being given is that the book is not a short story. Yet the editor is not replacing the category with an alternative. And the categories themselves simply say "X short stories" - which should apply to collections as well as the individual pieces themselves. I've asked the editor to explain himself before I start reverting the ones on my watchlist. But I thought I would give folks a heads up on this. For an example, check the edit history of Saint Errant, a collection of detective short stories that have been removed from the related category. 23skidoo 11:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely in this case the thing would be to replace :Category:Detective fiction short stories with possibly a new  :Category:Detective short story collections (I'm not sure about the "fiction" element of this it is largely redundant). :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 12:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The other category in the example does a appear to be dispensable. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 12:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

text: also this probably should be discussed on the task-force talk page. And the debate maybe referenced here. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 12:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually investigating further these have arrived under :Category:Mystery short story collections by virtue of the :Category:Short story collections by Leslie Charteris and is that not a more appropriate home than "Detective fiction". Just a question. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 12:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mass removal of short story-related category tags

message: I recognize that the Crime task force is part of the Novels project.  At the same time, I've just learned that there is a category of mystery films and I'm wondering if a link might somehow be included within the Crime task force.  I guess what I'm asking is, is this task force about crime, or about novels? Accounting4Taste 16:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The combination - strictly speaking, taking the lead from the parent project "Crime narrative fiction prose". But a few associated interests shouldn't harm unless they become the main focus. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Associated interests" -- very well put, and thank you.  I ask because most people associate Charlie Chan or Boston Blackie with mystery films more than they do mystery novels (to give some examples).  I will add a section on the main page called "Associated interests" (and of course if someone feels strongly about what this should be called, by all means change it or even delete it). Accounting4Taste 16:57, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mystery films

message: The crime task force members may care to look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional amateur detectives, which is up for deletion.  I want to add that I'm not encouraging anyone to have an opinion which matches/does not match my own, which is for deletion -- if there's a good point to keeping this list, I'd like to know about it so I can change what's left of my mind ;-)  I just think that the more opinions we get, the better the final decision will be, and it occurred to me that this task force's members might have an opinion as to the utility of this list.  Accounting4Taste 23:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion discussion that may be of interest 

message: My New Year's resolution, in Wikipedia terms, is to bring Ellery Queen to FA status.  I've asked a couple of editors to give this article the once-over and let me know what might need to happen.  If anyone in the Crime task force has comments to offer, they would be welcome (I think I'd find them fastest on Talk:Ellery Queen).  Thanks in advance, and happy new year! Accounting4Taste:talk 21:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ellery Queen

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The list is currently here. Should it be also duplicated on the task force page? What do you think? and please join me in creating articles! Henry Merrivale (talk) 05:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles needed 

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thread_title:  Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Crime fiction task force 

message: I've recently proposed to the WikiProject Council that there be a task force for WikiProject Horror created to deal with occult detectives in fiction and film.  If this work group gathers enough support to be created, there would be some overlap between your task force and mine.  As such (should my new task force be approved), I would like to work closely with your core membership to ensure standardization of articles.
In addition, some of your membership may have an interest in the occult detectives subgenre.  Those interested should please view my official proposal here, then please add to the discussion and/or sign your support for this task force's creation.
As I am not a standing member of your task force, please forgive my intrusion into your discussion area and direct any/all communication towards my talk page.  Thank you.  Hornoir (talk) 14:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a problem. Although our main focus is the literature itself rather that the in-universe character element (which wikipedia encourages as a focus - real world element that is!) I am sure you will get co-operation from here. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For clarity, my proposal (while under the name occult detectives) is meant to encompass not only the characters themselves but also the stories written regarding occult detectives and authors who made notable careers in the subgenre.  I would have termed the task force Occult Detective Fiction, but I didn't wish to exclude films in the subgenre from the purview.  Thank you for the reply.  Hornoir (talk) 18:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Occult Detectives Task Force/Work Group 

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message: Hi all
Are there any Mario Puzo "experts" out there ?
There is a problem with some articles calling some of his novels "the Godfather trilogy"
It is possible that there are just the three novels as already stated - The Godfather, The Sicilian and Omerta - but these are also described as - The Godfather, The Don and Omerta.
It is also possible that there should be four in the series - The Godfather, The Don, The Sicilian and Omerta
In some of the infoboxes the novels by other authors are also counted in the series and I cannot think how that is possible. If Puzo did not write them how can they be included in the series. I assume these would be "spinoffs"
Can anyone help calrify the issue ?
Thanks...Chaosdruid (talk) 10:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There are two existing novels called 'The Godfather Returns' and 'The Godfather's Revenge'. They were not written by Puzo but are sequels to the original Godfather novel. They are of poor quality but that is original research on my part. I hope this helps. Lots42 (talk) 07:32, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puzo "expert" needed 

message: Recently I have been auto-tagging articles about novels which have been assessed as stubs by WPNovels, some of the assessments of these pages are out of date, please help sort the articles and screen for out of date assessments at :Category:Novel stubs, Thank you, Sadads (talk) 15:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub tagging and out of date assessments 

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message: *Donkey Punch (novel)
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message: I've requested help for this on the main wiki help desk, but I thought I'd raise the issue here as well.
I don't use wikipedia much so I don't really know what to do with this problem.
On the page of crime author Henry Abner, a 'publisher' (which appears to be operating through a self-publisher, and only promotes a single book) keeps trying to add the one book that they publish, 'Relativity'. There's no reliable external source for this book having been the work of this author, and the author never worked in this genre (science fiction).  That publisher's account also only exists to edit the Henry Abner page.
There appears to be a conflict of interest going on, as well as unverifiable information being added, but I don't really know how to take it from here. Would anyone be willing to help? 2A02:C7D:8E4E:2E00:108E:3F41:726:8219 (talk) 10:45, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Self publisher adding unverifiable books to Henry Abner page

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message: Hello. I am Looking for one book. I only remember the beginning of the piece. Some guy found a derelict computer, sat down at it and started doing something, and then he saw a man with a gun walk up to the desk, they looked at each other in silence for a while, then the guy mechanically pressed the Enter button and the man shot him back. The work was read in the 1990s or very early 2000s. The piece appeared no later than the 1990s (probably earlier). I also remember that the guy was doing something enthusiastically on the computer: at first he typed without looking at the screen, but the message on the computer monitor made him do his work more slowly and carefully. The phrases went something like this. The message on the computer screen made him work more carefully. Behind the desk stood a man with a gun in his hand. The guy had never seen a real gun, except in the movies, but he knew immediately what it was. The guy's hand dropped mechanically to the Enter button, and the same second the black muzzle of the gun burst into flames, ending his life. Thank you in advance. Vyacheslav84 (talk) 06:59, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looking for one book.