Talk:Environmental policy of the Stephen Harper government

message: This is the one Stephen Harper-related article I haven't so far expunged from my watchlist as a waste of time and an offence to my sense of POV/decency.  I'm staying for now because it should be merged with Environmental issues in Canada or renamed to History of environmental policies of the Government of Canada.  "Harper government" is a brand and well-known as a political directive to media communications people and to newsrooms alike; there's no reason for an article to be based around statements and reactions to same, and this starts off as a p.r. putsch and that hasn't changed; a general article on Canadian government environmental policies in a true historical context, not based around on PM's agenda, is much more relevant; the Environmental issues article needs broadening, of course, but technically these are two redundant articles, each with their own POV foundation.  I'm holding off on the merge template to see if anyone knows of other parallel articles that need coalescing into this one, and to point out yet again that this whole series of articles is really political advertising, as well as furthering use of the noxious term "Harper government" when the proper title is "Government of Canada".  Environmental policies of Lucien Bouchard and Environmental policies of David Anderson or Fisheries policies of John Fraser etc are more viable as individual-based articles....Skookum1 (talk) 08:53, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I second the moves to merge this article and remove the noxious title. And it needs major revision, starting from the first line, which should have added to it both Canada's actual emissions increase from 2006 to the present, and all the climate mitigation initiatives destroyed by this government. And while we're at it, don't forget that the first thing Mulroney did when he came to power was to totally demolish the CMHC's energy efficiency office.--Emperor Zhark (talk) 19:36, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Cabinets get shuffled all the time, even during one session of the House and between sittings...."Harper's cabinet" is how the phrasing would go or "Trudeau's cabinet"....yes you do see the phrase "FOO government" for other prime minsters and premiers, but not with the capital-G, ever.  The problem is that "Harper government" has political baggage and its use in replacing "Government of Canada" is noxious and not just to the left but to the civil service, who were the ones who brought the edicts forward (and got slapped for it).  And yes, why not year-periods.  History of Canada is broken down that way, as with other articles of that kind.  In Trudeau's time, for example, "McEachern's economic policy" is what you'd hear, i.e. the name of the finance minister.  Portfolios and the ministers who hold them don't have the clout anymore that they once did, partly due to the new rules for how the monkeys in the trees report upstairs and more centralization of power and such.....the current title should not stand; even a more awkward phrasing like "Economic policy and issues during the Harper era" would be preferable....right now this article carries a branding tag and unduly associates the person of the prime minister with the overall government.  When we say "Trudeau government" the meaning is the government caucus, primarily the cabinet; "Harper government" was pushed to mean all the government, not just the governing party's elected officials and appointed ministers.  Until Harper, policy was developed by the civil service by consultation and data; fact-based policy it's called, and there's been international criticism of Harper for abandoning that in favour of imaginary figures and unproven policies that are totally ideological in origin (and anti-scientific, and anti-scientist); what I mean is that the association between the first minister and the policy machinery never used to be so intimate, nor so micromanaged....the civil service and its consultation systems used to be relatively autonomous;  with ministers taking direction from their deputy ministers and various agencies and bodies and departments....not giving them marching orders about what to say and what policies are going to be, and shelving research at the same time as ignoring; and sequestering, data.  The Trudeau government was not like that, the Mulroney and Clark and Chretien and Martin governments weren't either; economic policy was developed by the Government of Canada, i.e. the day to day civil service, and Ministers were the ones fielding the results and getting them passed; so the sense of "FOO government" before teh Harper era was very very different; and transformed once he tried to use it as his own personal brand on the government....on the government's letterhead, no less.  The best course here is to merge the article into the environmental issues article, which is level ground....not an article written to push a term, or because a term was being pushed, as part of a political agenda and, well, personality cult.Skookum1 (talk) 19:46, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal with [[Environmental issues in Canada]]

message: #If this article is to survive, the title really ought to mention Canada. Many readers in other countries have never heard of Harper.
#The lead says "Harper adopted several environmental policies ...", as if the article is about his pro-environment stance. The rest of the article gives the strong impression that he cares about the environment even less than most politicians. I don't know which is right; but the lead ought to summarise the rest of the article, rather than contradicting it. Maproom (talk) 22:56, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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message: There have been rationalizations of this usage in Wikipedia of various kinds, but given the date of provenance of the "FOO policy of the Harper government" articles, this article is one of many that demonstrates that being innocent about this, if not simply disingenuous as I believe the case often to be ("oh, oh, no personal attacks" is getting tiresome when someone points out obvious fact as valid criticism...); others have complained about this since I was blocked by an ANI during the last federal election for seeking a de-POVing of this series of Harper-centric titles and content (which led to my quitting Wikipedia for a long time....until I discovered the POVism on the Idle No More and Theresa Spence articles was out of control).  I'm not going to thump this tub again, I know how difficult it can be to argue with people who make specious points based on Wikipedia guidelines and refuse to see obvious POV even when it bites them in the face; but this will be an ongoing major flaw in Wikipedia so long as people who pretend not to be Harper supporters keep on WP:DUCKing through criticisms of these titles and other obvious examples of "spin and rinse" cycles....that many in the ANI that blocked me admitted to right-wing biases of their own continues to rankle me, but I know better than to bite back directly...in this case I at least made the opening statement more honest than it was.  The whole thing was written as WP:Weasel and WP:POV from the very start....Skookum1 (talk) 15:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Harper government" is spin-oriented title - citation 

message: Since this has been raised at various WikiProjects by User:Wavelength, citing these articles:
*The Tyee – What's Driving Chaotic Dismantling of Canada's Science Libraries?—The Tyee (December 23, 2013)
*Fisheries and Oceans library closings called loss to science  - Politics - CBC News—CBC.ca (January 6, 2014)
*“Libricide”: Harper government closing and junking environmental libraries | Climate Science Watch—Climate Science Watch (December 27, 2013)
This would seem to be the place for any discussion of how to include mention of this in Wikipedia; I can't see it being its own article.  I almost posted about this here a few days ago but because of my personal hands-off policy about this series of articles, all of which I believe were started as POV/SOAP spam, though this particular one has since morphed beyond its original p.r. tone, I will not have this watchlisted; but rather than spreading the discussion over four different wikiproject talkpages (WP:Science, WP:Libraries, WP:Environment and WP:Canada), it seems better to focus this here.Skookum1 (talk) 21:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  closure of science libraries 

message: The withdrawal from United Nations Convention to Combat Desertification should mentioned. Canada is the only country to withdraw.
Also from the ITTA Canada has not renewed the 2006 for this ITTO organization.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.191.182.80 (talk) 16:10, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  withdrawal from international treaties 

message: The whole article is Conservative party bashing - it's so one sided, it's absurd.  Not one mention that CO2 went down under the Conservatives and up with the political party in the past (Liberals).  Most of the references are from groups that had their funding cut by the Conservative government.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.16.145.179 (talk) 02:52, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
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message: I have changed the name of the article from "Environmental policy of Canada" to "Environmental policy of the Stephen Harper government". I believe the POV title concerns outlined above that justified the name change were overblown. No serious work on this article has been done after the name change. Time to bring it back. Mottezen (talk) 18:51, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
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