Talk:2007 Kenyan presidential election

message: just removed my addition of analysis from The Economist magazine (diff) with the misleading edit summary "Fixed timeline section".  Has there been some decision where context and subsectioning is now a "mistake? - BanyanTree 23:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The new/added text contained a repetition of the endorsement by former President Moi which is at the beginning of the paragraph. Both Kibaki and Odinga have campaigned in Coast areas both appealing to Muslims and promising not to victimize wrongly in the war on terror. Yes Kibaki does have a strong backing of the Kikuyu community and Odinga has a strong backing of the Luhya. This is evident from the detailed regional opinion polls and any commentaries pertaining to this should be added there/campaign issues. The article mentioned that Muslims are unhappy with Kenya's support of the West's war on terror Banyan put Kibaki in place of Kenya. The platforms on which both candidates are running on should probably be addressed in the campaign issues. The timeline was wrong as Pius Muiru officially launched his bid prior to Parliament being dissolved. Also what criteria was used to determine that Pius Muiru is a minor candidate. He probably is (in my own opinion) but there is no poll/citation to show this.Kihiu 00:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now why didn't you say that in the first place, rather than reverting under a misleading edit summary?  Now that you've demonstrated that you know what you're talking about and have reasoning, I'm happy to leave the article to you. - BanyanTree 01:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about the misleading edit summary note. I just meant to summarize all the issues briefly. Please feel free to make any contributions and correct me where I go wrong.Kihiu 02:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  revert 

message: As far as I'm aware the formal declaration of the result is not the very second where one presidential term ends and the next begins. Please see Wikipedia:Post-election edit war syndrome to be wary of the problems that have arisen when power has changed hands as the result of an election and umpteen edit wars have ensued. Timrollpickering (talk) 16:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Kenyan constitution dates back to times when there were no presidential elections. Therefore, there are no written rules when and how the handover takes place. In 2002, Mwai Kibaki took the power almost immediately after Electoral Commission of Kenya declared him as the president and all went without a hitch. This time the situation is a bit more complex, as the incumbent president is one of the candidates, and the race is expected to be very tight between Raila and Kibaki. That could result in protests, possibly delaying the handover. Julius Sahara (talk) 18:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yesterday, 03-JAN-2008, I posted a weblink here to the Kenyan constitution that noted the transfer of power to a new president.  It was deleted by Kipala.  May I know why?--Eddylyons (talk) 20:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note on results and change of power 

message: There are a number of sources for the results - I think we should report as from the official Electoral commission. Wizzy…☎ 07:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  All the others are exit polls. Do you really think KTN counted votes before ECK ?? Wizzy…☎ 08:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: KTN, Nation and others get their information straight from officials at polling stations. ECK uses the same data, but is slow at officially announcing it Julius Sahara (talk) 09:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source of results data 

message: Are the turnout figures of 5-10% in some areas normal? Nil Einne (talk) 14:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turnout 

message: I have taken the liberty of merging the riots and election results together. I think it would be better to do so. JoshHuzzuh  Talk  16:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: The figures given for the presidential election are NOT those which appear at the ECK website, which is given as the source. What is the ACTUAL source of these figures, and why is this source not given? Are these official figures or taken from a media source? This needs to be disclosed. If it is not I will delete the figures as UNSOURCED. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 08:54, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Results

message: I feel that the entire wording on that section is horrendous. It doesn't meet the criteria, as there are grammar and spelling issues. Not to mention that it doesn't follow the style of the other sections. JoshHuzzuh  Talk  12:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Aftermath Section

message: As foreshadowed above, I have deleted the tables of results, which are unsourced. The only source mentioned is the ECK, but these figures do not appear at the ECK website. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 14:34, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Results

message: It is obviously not just a Luo against Kikuyu pattern. Violence goes mainly against Kikuyus because they are identified with Kibaki who is Kikuyu and is perceived by non-Central Kenyans to be the one who stole the vote - but sadly that happens all over Kenya, See the reports about Kalenjin-dominated Eldoret or coastal Mombasa. --Kipala (talk) 17:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article said primarily, based on a New York Times article. We could describe the ethnicity of riot participants in greater detail, but for that we'd need sources. Everyking (talk) 04:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Violence

message: Is there already enough content to create a separate article on the elections aftermath? This should be sufficiently covered. --Tone 18:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, there's really no point to separate the articles. JoshHuzzuh  Talk  23:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

text: The riots are clearly important enough to warrant coverage beyond the scope of this article. Everyking (talk) 04:23, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I also agree that the topic is important. I have for now created an article 2007-08 riots in Kenya with most of the content from the aftermats section but it needs to be expanded. --Tone 11:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am doubtful if it is helpful writing articles as events unfold. This article is an example: surely it may have been interesting to see all the opinion polls developing but for an article on these elections they are just an eyesore. If I want to get Infos about the election 2007 I dont want to fight my way first thru a mass of figures of earlier polls that have become irrelevant by now. --Kipala (talk) 12:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree that we should have a separate article on the riots; to Kipala's criticism: you're right, but we can always (and usually do) refine the articles after the events are over. —Nightstallion 12:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A separate article on riots? 

message: I think it is a nuisance to try to imitate the newspapers in an encyclopedia. What is the point of adding statements that change daily (like if Odinga calls a rally or calls it off?) Time will show later if and which of such calls have any relevance. For now it just pumps useless information into an article which makes it difficult to read. Wikipedia is full of such bloated articels and of course it does not happen that all of these are cleaned up. Just look at this one: Still all those opinion polls which do not add to the value of this article. Who is going to throw that out?--Kipala (talk) 14:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Opinion polls gone. Wizzy…☎ 14:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

text: We don't determine notability according to what has long-term significance. We aim for comprehensive coverage, not brief summaries. Wikipedia is not Britannica. Everyking (talk) 18:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyking: I don`t care about Britannica. What we have is simply an unreadable article with all these yesterday news (its old news and ot relevant facts except for hstorians by now.)  What do you want to determine "notability" on? Just the fact that whosoever decided whensoever to add some opinion poll? Let few months go and this clogged stuff is going to continue as a nuisance for readers who look for information. Only that by then probably kwoladgeable people are fed up with adding to this article. For people with historic interest, ok lets take the polls out in a separate article. As longa s wikimedia can afford the storage volume, fine. It may have a value because these inline resources will be lost (maybe they are already) on the original servers. Its time to clean up and move on. --Kipala (talk) 23:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A separate article is fine and is probably better than cluttering up this article; I just didn't want to be the one to dump a bunch of tables and numbers into some new article without having some proper text to go along with it. The important thing to me is just that this information remains somewhere on this project for people who want it and isn't lost to us. Everyking (talk) 04:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop trying to imitate the newspapers

message: National results - Kibaki's lead narrowed to 
 MWAI KIBAKI         3,270,433  PNU  PARTY OF NATIONAL UNITY
 RAILA AMOLO ODINGA  3,230,063  ODM  ORANGE DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENT
40,000 votes.
Results per Constituency still not updated, Provincial Results are there. Wizzy…☎ 15:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  www.eck.or.ke updated : Official Results as at 1605HRS 08-Jan-2008 

message: Notice that I have split almost all of the "Aftermath" section into Civil unrest in Kenya (2007–present), where it should really be going. I didn't summarize very well, and you can help tweak that, but please do not readd the info without contacting me on my talk page. Editorofthewiki (talk) 22:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have disputed this on the grounds that I feel there should be two separate subarticles; it is awkward to merge everything into the clashes article, because the "aftermath" content deliberately avoided detailed discussion of the clashes and instead focused on the political dispute. And while I have contacted you on your talk page, I do not feel it is appropriate to expect this; you did not consult me before making a major editorial decision about the content I wrote. Everyking (talk) 22:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting 

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