Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)/Archive 2

message: how is it spelled?!?--71.199.154.43 16:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mangekyō, please refer to Romanji#Long_vowels for more information on why it is spelt with an ō -- Pedantic79 (talk) 22:15, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When the syllables are spaced out, it would be "Ma n ge kyo u". So of the two, "Mangekyou" would be more correct, though it's usually preferred to change the "ou" to an ō as Pedantic79 said. The Splendiferous Gegiford 23:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i see so it's magekyou or mangekyō--Geterdone 23:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are several systems that romanize japanese words differently.  Articles about those systems can be found in the Romanji article.  Also please consider reading Help:Talk pages, particularly "How to keep a two-way conversation readable". -- Pedantic79 (talk) 00:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mangekyo or mangekyou 

message: You can tell that he's the one near the leader because the one near Kisame has a spike in his hair. Nemu 02:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The other one also has semi-spikey hair. The best option is to wait until the last member is revealed so we can judge both their appearences next to the two remaining Unknowns to see which is the most similar to which. -The Splendiferous Gegiford 02:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The one next to the leader has a weird protrusion from his head (which is why people call him "the pineapple") and the one next to Sasori has spiky hair. None of these silhouettes match Hidan. Grrblt 16:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know what? I don't think Kakuzu is the Giant. I mean, most have passed his size difference as an error, but I'm thinkin' that maybe Kakuzu is one of the two Unknowns. The Giant could still be an Unknown. The Wretched 12:40, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, Hidan could be the one labeled as Itachi. That one has smooth hair (as Hidan does), and I think Itachi's is somewhat spikey. The Wretched 12:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kakuzu has been identified as the giant because of his ring. In this picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Akatsukihand.jpg the person occupying the left middle finger is the largest, right? Kakuzu is the one who wears his ring on left middle finger. The ring positions work for every other member, which is why this is a positive ID. Now, unless Kishimoto decided to scrap one giant and turn someone else into a new giant, the biggest guy in both pictures are the same person. About Itachi, he is one of the few who had a full introduction before the 238 group shot. Kishimoto would not screw up an already introduced character in that page. He might draw some silhouette that he later decides to change, but he would not leave out the silhouettes we already recognize. Itachi has smooth hair (look it up if you want to), and the only silhouette that matches him is the one between the giant and Sasori. Grrblt 16:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm probably missing something here, but how do you make out who has which ring? I know that we know about Kakuzu's ring, but how do you notice the same ring on The Giant? The image of them all standing there is very dark in both the manga and anime. Unless they have more clear picture (to which we should upload it, since it would probably be more confirming). I can't see any rings in there. The Wretched 23:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact I don't even know how anyone could see who's who in that pic. Kisame is obvious, what with Samehada on his back, but everyone else... The Wretched 23:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only other one that's obvious just by looking is Sasori, since he's the shortest. Well, and Kakuzu, since he's the tallest. The others come from actual hints in the anime and manga. When Deidara speaks, he is shown upside-down in both versions. When the leader talks, that hologram of his shivers in the anime, so that's how we know it that's him. Zetsu's pretty obvious too due to the shape of the head. And Itachi... I guess it's just because of the shape too. The Splendiferous Gegiford 23:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But I'm saying that the Giant could be the last unknown. Kakuzu, as evident in recent chapters, is not much taller than Hidan. If he was the Giant, Hidan would have to be much taller than he is. I guess it's still possible that it's an error by Kishimoto, but if it is, then it should be mentioned. We couldn't do that yet though, 'cause, assuming that I'm correct that we really don't know who Kakuzu is, we don't know (Lol). The Wretched 00:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Look, here's the deal. Leader wears his ring on right thumb, and in chapter 255 he is standing on the statue's right thumb. Itachi wears ring on right ring finger, and stands on right ring finger. Zetsu wears on right pinky, and stands on right pinky. Kisame wears on left ring finger, and stands on left ring finger. Orochimaru wears ring on left pinky, and no one is standing there. See the pattern here? Now, from the recent chapters, we know Kakuzu wears his ring on left middle finger. Who is standing on left middle finger? The largest guy. Therefore, Kakuzu is the largest guy in chapter 255. It makes sense that the largest guy in 255 is the largest guy in 238, the "Giant". Grrblt 09:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh and if you're wondering how we can identify Zetsu, Leader, Itachi etc, just read the whole chapter (255). There are plenty of other pictures in the chapter that can be used to identify these dudes. Grrblt 10:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't get that pattern... something about standing on fingers and crap like that...? The Wretched 08:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Hidan left unknown? 

message: what happened to the conversations?--Geterdone 22:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Archived. Look up top. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks--Geterdone 23:20, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ??? 

message: does Madara have MS? --71.199.154.43 22:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How is this in any way productive? – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just wondered if anybody Knew that's all.--71.199.154.43 22:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would we know if he has/had MS? He's been mentioned by name once. Furthermore, have you ever heard of a Naruto character with MS? – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know how you would know and no i haven't heard of Naruto characters with MS. Gosh it was just a question.--Geterdone 23:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: do you have an image of Madara?--71.199.154.43 23:37, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "He's been mentioned by name once." No one knows what he looks like, what he can do, or what if any physical disabilities he may possess. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see thanks--71.199.154.43 02:14, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's MS? The Wretched 01:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mangekyō Sharingan – Pedantic79 (talk) 02:01, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, okay. Well, if that's what it stands for, then my answer is this: no one knows. I think it's very likely, as Itachi did mention that if Sasuke obtained it, then the total who could handle it would be 'three'. Itachi was the only known person with the ability at the time. Kakashi developed it much later. However, we can't jump to conclusions. It's still possible he could be talking about someone else... The Wretched 03:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would guess that if Madara is still alive, then he has the MS. Itachi said there were three capable of using it, and he did not consider Kakashi able to do it. But there is a very good chance that Madara was some strong Uchiha legendary from hundreds of years ago, and Sasuke is the only person since then to achieve his "cursed chakra" and that stuff. Of course, even if he did 500 years ago there's still a chance he had the MS. But in that case, he isn't the third MS user. Grrblt 09:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where does he specifically say that Kakashi isn't capable of it?  Itachi says that there are only three people CAPABLE of acquiring it, and given that he has just killed every single other known person with a Sharigan other than Kakashi and Sasuke (and himself), he might mean this quite matter of factly: there are now only three people left alive who even have the Sharingan in the first place (and thus only three who can attain it).  Note also that just because Madara is Uchiha doesn't mean that the cursed chakra is related to the Sharingan.  Sasuke's powers are quite litterally also based on a curse: the very curse powers that Sasuke believes make him special (more special than nine-tails powers).  The Nine-Tails could just as easily be referring to that.  We probably won't know for a while now regardless.  :(Plunge 21:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When Kakashi hints to Itachi that he has the MS ("So, Itachi, how far has your eyesight deteriorated?") Itachi answers "Kakashi, you couldn't have...". Quite literally, this means that Itachi doesn't think Kakashi could have activated MS. Grrblt 07:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madara uchiha 

message: Since the series will no doubt result in the deaths of many of the Atatsuki members, I would suggest that we should not establish a precedent of moving deceased members into the "former" category, at least until we know for sure that they will be replaced by another character at some point in the future.  Orichimaru is legitimately a "former" member because he had left the group before we even meet him in the story.  Sasori, though, we saw as an active Atatsuki member, and he merely died, not renounced his allegiance. None of the other pages work this way just when a character dies (for instance, dead members of the Sound Village are not listed as "former members")  The format of the page should in general not be set up so that it changes based on future events in the manga.  This is an encylopedia that has to look at the series from a more distant and objective perspective rather than something constantly shifting its structure in response to new events.
69.171.60.23 18:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tobi looks like he is set to take Sasoris role so that would mke Sasori a former member.  There could possibly be a deceased members section.  I doubt many more Akatsuki are going to be replaced when they die,I'd be willing to stake a large bet that Tobi is the one and only.Darkwarriorblake 19:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, that's by no means confirmed and all we hear of it is that Zetsu says it isn't that easy.  But second of all, a wikipedia entry should not treat an entry on a fictional organization as if it were keeping track of the "current" roster of the group (as if it were chronicling real ongoing events!).  It should speak as an overview of the storytelling as a whole, and generally the _structure_ of the entries should be biased to how things are at the start of the story, if anything (to avoid spoilers via implication).  Orichimaru is sensibly in his own category as a former member only because that's his relationship to the organization as a story begins and remains his relationship throughout the story.  If he rejoins Atatsuki at some point in the story, is then going to be taken OUT of the former member section, leaving only Sasori???  That just doesn't seem to be a sensible way to structure an entry on a fictional organization. 69.171.60.23 20:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dead or disbanded people can't very well participate, now can they? If it gets to the point where a lot of them die, then it'll be reformatted to indicate the group's non or reduced existence. AS it is, one dead member is fine. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I had thought about this too, as I'm the one who originally added Sasori to the Former Members section, but as of now, he's the only dead member, so it's fine the way it is. If it gets to the point where it looks like several or all of the members will die (which, given the nature of Naruto and shounen mangas in general, will most likely happen), then we can worry about reorganizing everything. The Splendiferous Gegiford 20:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, that is an expected event, but not one I expect to happen anytime soon. Frankly, the manga takes a long time to get things done. Killing off 8 more people is going to take some time. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But you're all missing the point. You are treating this as if it were a blog or a news report instead of an encyclopedia entry.  You're not supposed to update someone's status based on events that happen more than halfway into the story as if you were breathlessly relating recent current events. If anything, entries should be baised towards a structure that reflects the status of things at the start of the story, not altered so that they reflect the way things are now or at the end of the story (will every member then be in the "former" category???!)  Furthermore, it's inconsistent with all the rest of the Naruto pages.  The Third is dead, but he's not in a category of "former" Konoha villagers.  Dead sound aren't "former" sound.  etc.69.171.60.23 16:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The third is listed as the Third Hokage. Given that there are five, one can assume he's not doing the job anymore. Second, Wikipedia is not paper, and always tends to be updated for current information. Deal with it. If and when the former members section becomes dominant, we'll reformat the article. As it stands, having two members in another section is fine. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who said it was a paper: you're the one treating like its myspace.  It's an encyclopedia, not a fan site. 69.171.60.23 02:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stop overreacting. It's one member who's been dead for a decent amount of time now. Like we've told you several times, if it gets to a point were many of them will end up there, we'll reformat it as such. Until that point comes, having a dead member listed as a former member is a prudent course of action. On a tangent, you should get an account. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 04:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We?  Oh so apparently, not only is not an encyclopedia and a fan site, it's YOUR personal fansite.  Sorry to intrude.69.171.60.23 23:45, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Those changes all make sense because they proceed apace without changing the 'structure' of the entries.  Atatsuki is a fictional organization, not a real one, and an entry on it has to describe its membership from the perspective of an overview of the ENTIRE series, not "what things are like in the manga right this second."  That overview structure, again, should be if anything biased towards the structure of things at the start of the story, and updates and new events should be described within those entries or in the appropriate plot sections.  Again, you can't treat a fictional group as if it were some current event with an up to date roster.  There is no up to date: it's a story that has a start and will one day end.69.171.60.23 06:19, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And when it ends it'll still be up to date. You got your wish of moving him. My point is that you're being far too picky about a single character at some point in time. It's no different with the plot pages. Episode comes out, chapter comes out, it's updated. It's common practice. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 06:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's updated by adding NEW sections to deal with new developments.  Not by changing old ones.  I note that Yura is listed under "Agents" of Atasuki.  Shouldn't he be listed as a "Former Agent" in his own section, by your logic? Plunge 21:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Sasori's spot has now been taken by Tobi. Time to move Sasori down again? Grrblt 11:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Damnit. All that arguing and it's just reversed after I cave in. I knew it was a bad idea. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: HAHA, I'm still going to give you some respect for it Someguy. I mean...had Tobi not taken his place...Eh. All's well that ends well. Midusunknown 02:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Except it makes no difference.  Tobi joining makes him a member, but that doesn't have anything to do with whether it makes any sense to call someone a former member because they died. If anything, it would make more sense for Tobi to be in his own section as a "Newer Member" since, again, wikipedia articles on fictional characters are supposed to be structured as an overview with a bias to the status of things as the story starts, not how it ends or proceeds halfway in. Plunge 21:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sasori listed as "former member"? 

message: Has anyone else noticed the technique Kakuzu uses to open the temple door in chapter 314. His hand turns to a different color and the sound effect was "zuzutsu". I think this is worth mentioning in his profile.
:It's there. He is shown to have a great amount of physical strength, the use of which is somehow associated with a change in his skin color. Nemu 23:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kakuzu's technique? 

message: I've noticed Hidan's headband doesnt seem to portray any village i've seen in the manga so far or in the anime. It is also not mentioned on the Wikipedia entry for the Hidden Villages.
Its three curvy lines almost like a strange mist village mark. 
We haven't seen any of his attacks besides the use of that tripple-bladed scythe so we cant guess his element from his attacks.
I just wondered if anyone knows what village it is or if anyone has any ideas. -- Justice san, 17th July06, 18:00GMT
:At first it seemed like it was a mistake by the artist, and that his headband bears the symbol of either Hidden Grass or Hidden Rain. However, a chapter later we got a good many views of it and it doesn't match either. Hidan is most likely from a not yet introduced village, or the headband could be a mark of his religion rather than his village (though I've no idea why he would scratch his religion's symbol). Grrblt 23:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's definitely a village symbol, just not one we've seen. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidan??? What's his village? 

message: I've uploaded a better version of the Akatsuki main photo, can someone make it default because I can't see how.  Its there and says its the current image but its still showing the old photo.
Darkwarriorblake 11:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You probably just need to give it some time to update. Grrblt 12:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh ok, wish it just said that instead of leaving me wondering w hat the hell is going on.Darkwarriorblake 12:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Try refreshing the page, it should be up now. --Pentasyllabic 12:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The unknown one isn't showing much but I think its the only picture of that member going, it'd keep the articles structure at least.  The Hidan one might be better simply because its coloured. -- Darkwarriorblake 16:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We could always use the old picture from 238 for Unknown. The leader has a similar pic. And it points to the fact that we don't really know what they look like. I think Hidan's pic should stay for now; the new one has color but he's looking away from the "camera". His current picture is good enough. 81.233.40.12 18:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ugh 

message: Are we keeping that or what?  I just noticed some members have their rank listed and others don't.
:I'm not sure if their home village is of importance as much as their unique traits since they have certain skill allignments obviously.Darkwarriorblake 19:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rank 

message: This isn't very important, but Zabuza's eye color is listed as black, when is actually white, and Hidan's eye color is listed as silver, when the HQ version of the new color spread actually appears to show him with pink eyes... am i seeing things with Hidan or does someone else see it?
:It's just different tinting from cleanup. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eye Color 

message: Can we just leave the lock against unregistered users please?  Every 10 seconds someone is adding that Tobi is obito or some other random fanwank.Darkwarriorblake 19:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that,it's so anoying!--Geterdone 16:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lock again 

message: Which hidden village is Hidan from? --Beef noodles 02:24, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one knows. Also, see #Hidan??? What's his village?. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidan 

message: It occurs to me that although we mention (and even illustrate) the giant hand statue, we don't actually explain its significance. I don't have those particlar manga chapters so I'm not sure what it's for, but the fact that Gaara's in front of it leads me to believe that extraction ritual takes place there. It'd be helpful if someone who's read those chapters would elaborate. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't take the time right now to write something decent, but the statue is so far only used for the bijuu extraction ritual. The leader apparently summons it, and releases (unsummons) it right after they're done. The members each occupy one of the statue's fingers, the same finger as they wear their ring on. It has nine eyes, one eye is opened for each bijuu extracted/assimilated (as would be the case with Sanbi). It wears a pair of handcuffs, leading some to speculate that it will break free once all eyes are opened. It kinda looks like it's made of wood, making some people think Leader is a mokuton user. As part of the extraction ritual, all members say the kanji of the "opposite" member; Leader on left thumb will say the kanji on Sasori/Tobi's ring on the right thumb and vice versa. Zetsu is the only one who says his own ring kanji, because his "opposite" member is the missing Oro. That's what I can remember right now. Grrblt 07:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Small note, we need to update the Akatsukihand.jpg picture (showing the ring position) to say Tobi instead of Sasori. Grrblt 12:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  That giant hand statue 

message: can someone give me a pic of the leaders eyes? if so please put it on my talk page.--Geterdone 21:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  eyes 

message: can the leader b Gaara's dad?--Geterdone 21:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, don't you have something better to do than post impossible theories and make odd comments on talk pages? You've only editted about 6 pages that are actually articles. Also, he's dead, so no he's not the leader. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, don't you have anything better 2 do than being a jerk 2 newbeis to naruto and wikipedia ,i watch the anime in america ,the american version is in the chūnin exams so how am i suposed 2 know gaara's dad is dead so get of my back! if it were up 2 me you would b banned from wikipedia! what part of "don't bite the newbeis"and"b nice 2 new comers" don't you understand? so just answer the question,is that asking too much?--Geterdone 23:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't claim you're a newbie when you've been here for two months. Go edit some articles. This isn't a forum. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Not to impose, but if you only watch the American anime, then how do you know about Akatsuki? Also, since you're asking about a character on a Wikipedia talk page, wouldn't it make sense to look up that character on Wikipedia to see if your question could somehow be answered? That is Wikipedia's purpose after all. Snapper2 23:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the way i know is i found out about wikipedia then i tried 2 find something on the 4th hokage and i saw it say:"the 4th is the akatsuki leader" and i followed the link 2 akatsuki and here i am. i thought gaara's dad was dead but that doesn't keep fans from thinking 4th=leader.--67.191.195.232 12:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  gaara's dad 

message: why do akatsuki members have purple finger nail polish on?--Geterdone 20:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a forum. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  purple