Talk:Ernst Bloch

message: "Due to Bloch's marxistic view it also contains such declarations as:
"Ubi Lenin, ibi Jerusalem" [Where Lenin is, there is Jerusalem]
and
"the Bolshevist fulfillment of Communism" is part of "the age-old fight for God."" 
The article already says that Bloch was influenced by Marx; what other work do these quotes do? Jordansc 15:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Marxist quotes

message: This is not a joke. End of the 60's, I studied philosophy with Bloch in Tübingen, and he oftenly mentioned Karl May and Karl Marx as the guiding stars of his early days. --Shoshone (German WP)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.152.44.164 (talk) 21:58, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bloch influenced by Karl May? 

message: I think the booklist is incomplete as I've come across a Bloch book titled "Philosophy of the Future".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.192.95.152 (talk) 16:53, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philosophy of the Future 

message: The Spirit of Hope is listed as 1918 in the list at the end of the article, yet the article states that it was written in the US after Bloch fled there from Hitler. In 1918 Hitler was still in the trenches!89.100.155.6 (talk) 08:30, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be confusing two different books by Bloch: The Spirit of Utopia and The Principle of Hope. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 21:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Date Confusion?

message: I have changed it to "Joel Kovel called Bloch the greatest of modern utopian thinkers." instead of "Bloch has been called the greatest of modern utopian thinkers". the citation for him being called the greatest of modern utopian thinkers is from a joel kovel book, and it is a matter of notability as to who called him that and should be included in the page.--120.144.96.13 (talk) 06:24, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are going to edit Wikipedia, it helps to use terms in the way in which they are used on Wikipedia. As I said, anyone who wants to know who called Bloch the greatest modern utopian thinker can simply check the citation. There is no need to mention the name in the lead. Bloch happens to be a famous and well-known thinker, and it does not in any way give an exaggerated impression of his importance to say that he has been called the greatest modern utopian thinker. 122.60.173.222 (talk) 05:13, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: and yet I think it does exaggerate his importance by not including who said he was the greatest utopian thinker and that it is worth adding a couple more words into the lead. I'll ask I dream of horses to arbitrate this, I don't think we can settle this discussion any other way.--120.144.96.13 (talk) 06:24, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: 120 has asked me for a third opinion. I think s/he is right; however, s/he isn't talking about notability, but about weasel words. I dream of horses (T) @  06:40, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that the edits by the other IP address are degrading the quality of this article. It really does not help to have the name "Joel Kovel" thrust at the reader in the lead. If the IP feels so strongly that the "greatest utopian thinker" claim must be attributed to Kovel, then I suggest to him or her that he or she remove the material from the lead entirely and place it somewhere else in the article. It would be OK to have something to the effect that Kovel called Bloch the greatest of modern utopian thinkers so long as it is not in the lead. 122.60.173.222 (talk) 23:16, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: it says under = = influences = = "Psychoanalyst Joel Kovel has praised Bloch as, "the greatest of modern utopian thinkers" so i will remove the material from the lead entirely because it is elsewhere--124.180.248.55 (talk) 03:01, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't understand how the lead is supposed to work. It is meant to summarize other material in the article. That is precisely its purpose: see WP:LEAD. Material is never removed from the lead simply because it is present somewhere else in the article. 122.60.173.222 (talk) 03:08, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: notability

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