Talk:Munchkin

message: * Perhaps the disambiguation page should show up when entering Munchkin in search... --84.178.110.162 18:44, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Look up top, there's a link to Munchkin (disambiguation) which gives a link to Munchkin (cat). --woggly 09:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, and Bavaria is in Germany. --woggly 12:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I have never read the books, but the film refers to Munchkin LAND rather than Munchkin COUNTRY. Does the intro to this article therefore need altering?
Kingbumpkin (talk) 12:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The books are exactly the opposite in that respct, so no. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 18:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Munchkin Country? 

message: I've seen two versions of the scene in question. The first is a VHS tape that was the original theatrical version. Whether or not there is an actual person or something else in the background isn't clear, but is is definitely hanging, and definitely not a bird. MGM overlaid an image of a bird over the background for the re-release on DVD years later, possibly as a response to the bad publicity caused by the so-called "conspiracy".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.154.124 (talk) 16:48, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Munchkin suicide... 

message: I undid a few revisions to put back Raabe and Slover in the list. The reviewers probably did not realize this list is for those living "as of 1989" rather than "now". -- Saveur (talk) 05:02, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the paragraph above the first chart, there were 33 actors who played munchkins still alive when the book was written.  The "as of 1989" chart needs some work.Juve2000 (talk) 18:28, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I now wonder if the "as of 1989" section needs to be there at all. Maybe a single, complete list, with dates of birth/death when known, comments "still alive" when applicable, and a introduction sentence "X of them still alive as of (Year)" would be enough. -- Saveur (talk) 00:21, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Living as of 1989 

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thread_title: File:Munchkins-film.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion

message: What's the point of having a table of Munchkins who were living as of 1989?  I know that's the 50th anniversary year of the movie but it still seems odd to have this arbitrary table.  At this point, there are only two living Munchkins left.  Why not keep that table and merge the "living as of 1989" into the "Deceased" table? --SamuelTaylorColeridge (talk) 15:18, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Living as of 1989? 

message: How do we know if they are living or not? Granted it is confirmed that the Lollipop Guild guy is the last one living (Must be great being a member of that then) but what do we know about the ones who are N/A? As well as the other kid stars from it.
Wgolf (talk) 18:23, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a complex situation, I did a search of a bunch of the ones where I could find no reliable source confirming their death rather than just leaving it blank I placed Not available. Most likely anyone born before 1900 is no longer living and in some cases some of the actors had no SSN to their name. As for the child actresses it is claimed that the Lollipop Guild guy is the last one living but then I found a source confirming still alive child stars so that further complexes things. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Oh wow, didn't know that =o. Anyways if you do find reliable sources with the deaths of the munchkin actors feel free to add them. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:07, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Munchkins whose death and birth dates are N/A 

message: I made an edit specifying that Jarry Maren was the last known surviving 'dwarf' munchkin actor.  The edit was quickly reverted. However, my edit was consistent with Maren's wiki article. which states: "Jerry Maren, is an American actor and the only confirmed surviving dwarf munchkin from the 1939 film The Wizard of Oz, in which he portrayed a member of the Lollipop Guild. He became the last surviving dwarf Munchkin cast member (there is one confirmed living Munchkin actress who is not a dwarf) following the death of Ruth Duccini on January 16, 2014"
My understanding is that the Munchkins were played by both dwarf and non-dwarf child actors/actresses. Did not Priscilla Ann Montgomery Clark play a Munchkin? Thanks in advance for any explanation provided. AJC3fromS2K (talk) 07:09, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The answer is, we don't know. Sources are saying that she is one of the last surviving "kid munchkins" however the sources are very hard to come by as it is it is very hard to find things such as birth/death records for these actors and actresses. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:04, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last surviving Munchkin v. last 'Dwarf' Munchkin 

message: I have removed Eleanor Keaton as there is no mention of her being a munchkin or even being in the film from her obituary. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:39, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Were you the user who removed Lillian Porter, and why? https://www.historyforsale.com/lillian-porter-inscribed-photograph-signed/dc22717 --Jkaharper (talk) 18:06, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  No per  (The state of the article before I started editing it). I had no idea Lillian Porter was present and she appears to be sourced via Cox , so go ahead and add her, nice find! =) - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious entries

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thread_title:  External links modified (February 2018) 

message: I have removed the following from the article but chose to keep it here for review purposes:
:Baum apparently did not mean that only Munchkins are short in stature (as depicted in the iconic 1939 film), but that this is the norm for all of the adult humans of Oz. In a scene later in the book, the Guardian of the Gates, the first inhabitant of the Emerald City met by Dorothy and apparently representative of its citizens, is "a little man about the same size as the Munchkins." Still later, the Quadlings of the southern land are described as "short and fat."
:In W. W. Denslow's illustrations for The Wonderful Wizard (approved by Baum), the only Oz humans depicted as remarkably taller than Dorothy are the Soldier with the Green Whiskers and Glinda.
:Baum rarely refers to Ozites as small of stature in the Oz books that follow. (One notable exception is the Munchkin wrestler that Zeb challenges in Dorothy and the Wizard in Oz).
:Notable Munchkins named in the Oz books include Boq, Fyter, Jinjur, Nimmie Amee, Ojo the Lucky, and Unc Nunkie.
All of this appears to be original research but may have some grains of truth to it that just need to be sourced. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:36, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from "Concept" section

message: *Gladys W. Allison - Nothing found from sources with the search term "Gladys W. Allison" "Gladys Allison" or adding "midget" after the two. The only mentions of her are in the credits for the film.
*Franz Balluck - Mentioned by Find A Grave which is not considered to be a reliable source. The dates used are born: 1913, died: 1987. Balluck is also mentioned by another unreliable source IMDb where it states he was born and died in Austria. None of this can be confirmed without a reliable source weighing in on the matter.
*Valerie Lee Shepard - iMDB has her birth date as December 14, 1931 . There is also a census from 1940 which lists her as an 8 year old in Los Angeles (noted by iMDB) . Nothing can be confirmed though through WP:RS linking her to the movie or if the child in the census is the same person. (Added with correct info)
- Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:34, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: No birth/death dates

message: *Marguerite A. Hoy - We have a newspaper source from 1945 that says her sister Helen died.  
:It also says she was interred in Gethsemane Cemetery which is located in Meriden, New Haven County, Connecticut.
:According to Find A Grave, her sister died in 1969 and is also buried there.  (Can't use per WP:RS)
:I can't confirm if Marguerite was born in 1906.
- Knowledgekid87 (talk) 05:23, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Very close

message: I believe there are some anecdotes about the Munchkin actors running wild during the filming. This might be the place to feature some of them. Valetude (talk) 11:48, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is included, then it would fall under the "1939 film" section. I had added a section already on the Matina Brothers article regarding their role. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:35, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Behaviour on-set?