Talk:Sedan (automobile)

message: This article claims that the sedan is the most common configuration. I don't know of any statistics, but I'd say that, certainly in Europe, the hatchback is just as common. If anyone has statistics or can clarify this in some other way then please tell me. If not, then I'll probably edit it to say that the sedan is one of the most common configurations. 999 11:26, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.68.145.230 (talk • contribs). On  12:37, February 20, 2006.
There only seem to be examples from the US, I didn't even know a sedan was a saloon car the article is too american rather than international. (Fdsdh1 (talk) 15:22, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerns

message: I've added a merge proposition for the 2-door sedan article, it more or less says the same thing as the 2-door sedan section.  Alternatively, we could merge the section into that article; however, 2-door sedan is the only specific type of sedan to have its own article. --Varco 22:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just finished the merge. --Hetar 01:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I called it Two-door sedan in the article now, too, bringing in some consistency and trying to avoid sentences that start with 2. —Camaro96 06:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The link to "Coupé" is somewhat misleading as a two-door sedan is not a coupe. Further I included the expression "coach" which was used by many manufacturers for this body style, mainly in France but also in the U.S. --Chief tin cloud (talk) 10:07, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2-door sedan 

message: Regarding the edits by Racky pt (talk)
*Headings and subheadings are changed only after careful consideration - See: Manual of Style#Sections and headings
*The "See also" section should not be expanded. It is not to be a collection of internal links (except for disambiguation pages when an article title is ambiguous, and for structured lists to assist with the organisation of articles) - See WP:NOT#LINK
*Regarding the comment "Forget history, who needs?" -- Please recall that Wikipedia is a free content, multilingual encyclopedia written collaboratively by contributors around the world. That also means explaining the history and origin of the word "sedan". What better way to illustrate the first use of the word by showing a the drawing of object that was called "sedan". This adds more to the encyclopedia than yet another picture of a modern day 4-door automobile. Thank you - CZmarlin 17:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Carry on good work about history. What i see is there is little about trends in contemporary sedans. all the pics are of olden days. also visitor should not end up in article, he should find ways to navigate. hence i wished to expand see also, you removed hatchback also -not acceptable. as for current trend suv sales are falling and sedan and hatchback are coming to prominence and make for most of market share in developing countries. also not much about design details of sedan like FF and FR layout(not even mentioned). such contemporary info is missing which are more important than history. Racky pt 06:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: These sections were unreferenced. No such thing called S M L XL nor XXL sedan exists on this earth. pasting the code here.
===Small sedans===
Sedan body styles on smaller cars are now less popular in Europe after the hatchback revolution during the 1970s. In the U.S. and many developing countries notchback sedans like the Volkswagen Jetta retain popularity.
The first major European manufacturer to phase out sedans in favour of hatchbacks was Renault, who introduced the hatchback (Renault 4) in 1961. In the case of Renault, the only sedan offered is the Megane; rival Fiat actually does not offer a sedan model in its European range at all.
On the other hand, the Japanese and Korean automakers continue to offer compact sedans as a popular body design for consumers in a range of brands and models sold in world markets.
===Large Sedans===
The 3-box sedan body style is still used on large and luxury cars. The hatchback feature has been notably unsuccessful in penetrating this segment worldwide. Instead, the angle of the rear window has been steadily increasing, as seen on the Audi A6, making many modern sedans resemble fastback sedans.
DO NOT ADD without a valid reference. small and large are there in any thing. keep crap away Ali mehmood zaki 14:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The two of you have misunderstood, small/large saloon isn't a classification but a description. The sections should have been challenged for references, but you removed them for the wrong reason. Alastairward (talk) 23:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced crap 

message: The 3-box sedan body style is still used on large and luxury cars. The hatchback feature has been notably unsuccessful in penetrating this segment worldwide. Instead, the angle of the rear window has been steadily increasing, as seen on the Audi A6, making many modern sedans resemble fastback sedans.
DO NOT ADD without a valid reference. small and large are there in any thing. keep crap away Ali mehmood zaki 14:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The two of you have misunderstood, small/large saloon isn't a classification but a description. The sections should have been challenged for references, but you removed them for the wrong reason. Alastairward (talk) 23:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Large Sedans

message: As far as I'm concerned, a sedan is basically a car with roof. And, as far as I'm concerned, the first sedan was the Renault Voiturette of 1899. I don't reckon of an earlier sedan, but if someone knows, please let me know.--Fluence (talk) 23:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The first sedan

message: I got the reference from the 'Little Oxford English Dictionary' Eighth Edition 2002 isbn 0-19-860452-1 on page 617 under Saloon deffinition 4, Brit a car with a seperate boot. Any British English dictionary should givew the same or at least very simillar deffinition. This is the reason why I started a seperate article for Saloon. I must ask How the OED can be questionable as a source when the article only has one other source and that source is about where the word came from.(Morcus (talk) 01:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not questioning the OED, just your interpretation of it. Given your account of the entry, it doesn't seem to support the separate articles.Alastairward (talk) 07:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a link to the OED online, their definition of saloon is; "c. A type of motor car with a closed body for four or more passengers." This does not mean that the "hatchback saloon/sedan" can be removed from the article, or that you can place a nonsensical comment below. Alastairward (talk) 07:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Saloon cannot have a tailgate. 

message: Alternate move: - Moved Sedan (disambiguation) to Sedan. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose. Sedan (car) is the proper article name for the car style, as Sedan primarily refers to the French city. Anyway, it is ambiguous, and Sedan should be, or redirect to, the disamb list. False links could be fixed with a bot, but the bot operator wait until the disputes are settled, so let's get over with it.-- Matthead  Discuß   15:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Took this to WP:RM in the hope of resolving the discussions at Talk:Sedan (car)#Disambiguation (above), User talk:Morcus#Sedan, and User talk:Matthead#Sedan. Regards, --DeLarge (talk) 14:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

text: As an alternative proposal, editors may also wish to comment on whether Sedan (disambiguation) should be moved to Sedan, thus establishing the disambiguation page as the target of that title.  --Russ (talk) 14:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be happy with that. Knepflerle (talk) 18:27, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Support move of Sedan (disambiguation) to Sedan. As a British English speaker, the first thing I think of when hearing the word is a sedan chair not a type of car. DWaterson (talk) 22:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose. Sedan (car) is the proper article name for the car style, as Sedan primarily refers to the French city. Anyway, it is ambiguous, and Sedan should be, or redirect to, the disamb list. False links could be fixed with a bot, but the bot operator wait until the disputes are settled, so let's get over with it.-- Matthead  Discuß   15:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Took this to WP:RM in the hope of resolving the discussions at Talk:Sedan (car)#Disambiguation (above), User talk:Morcus#Sedan, and User talk:Matthead#Sedan. Regards, --DeLarge (talk) 14:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As an alternative proposal, editors may also wish to comment on whether Sedan (disambiguation) should be moved to Sedan, thus establishing the disambiguation page as the target of that title.  --Russ (talk) 14:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be happy with that. Knepflerle (talk) 18:27, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Support move of Sedan (disambiguation) to Sedan. As a British English speaker, the first thing I think of when hearing the word is a sedan chair not a type of car. DWaterson (talk) 22:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: There is no need to replace the "rights free" image of the Opel 2-door sedan with a low-resolution scan of a General Motors PR picture of a Vega. Thank you, CZmarlin (talk) 15:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't own the article and you don't ALWAYS decide. Your welcome,(Vegavairbob (talk) 00:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

text: What is the rationale for replacing it? Alastairward (talk) 00:27, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Vegavairbob seems very keen on increasing the number of Chevrolet Vega pictures in WP articles. In this instance I agree with CZmarlin. Also, regardless of the quality issue that he touches on, if the Opel image is replaced by any American car, then the article is illustrated entirely by American vehicles, which gives them undue weight. And Vegavairbob? CZmarlin's logical and reasonable response to your unexplained image substitution does not indicate an ownership issue. Writegeist (talk) 02:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not keen on anything...I didn't realize we need a strict country of origin balance with images. My image was a "thin-pillar" 2-door sedan with a text addition. Probably a new (sedan) reference for many. That's why I chose it.(Vegavairbob (talk) 04:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replacement of images 

message: Hi. In my experience, most people understand that a sedan has 4 doors and a coupe has 2 doors. Therefore I request that references be provided supporting that "two-door sedan" is a commonly used term. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 10:53, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two-door sedans 

message: i propose deleting section 1.4 hatchback sedans because it is an oxymoron.
According to the wikipedia article definition of hatchback "sloped back and a rear door that swings upwards when opened" a sedan does not qualify because it does not have a rear door. it has a trunk lid.
Also, this article states that a sedan has a 3 box configuration but hatchbacks have a 2 box configuration.
thoughts?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.138.255 (talk) 04:06, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Daihatsu Applause has a three-box profile and a huge hatch incorporating the rear windscreen and the "boot lid". Very odd, but it might be a "hatchback sedan". Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 09:01, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  hatchback sedans 

message: How to change the waterpump  Bonnieadrian (talk) 04:52, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Bonnieadrian and thanks for joining Wikipedia. This talk page is for discussions on how to improve the article, not really for discussing Sedans as such. I left a welcome message with more information on how to best use Wikipedia on your Talk page. All the best, Lklundin (talk) 09:02, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to change the waterpump 

message: Hello. The textbook definitions for sedan are very broad (possibly applying to everything from a Porsche 356 to the Maybach Ultimate Luxury Concept SUV!). Does anyone have sources with more practical descriptions of what a sedan usually looks like? Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 22:51, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very broad definition 

message: These images are of three-box bodies as described in the lead??? They are both fastbacks. And why is the Ford Model A not necessary? And why two of the same style and from the same part of the world? And why only their behinds, its not an illustration of fastback designs it it. Eddaido (talk) 08:07, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies, but you need to direct these to my talkpage :). Discuss it there --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:23, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Eh?? We Are discussing the article aren't we? Eddaido (talk) 03:03, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted it back, don't worry mate --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:04, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see. I was thrown off by your "meeting the needs of other users". In common parlance the needs referred to are sexual. Eddaido (talk) 03:07, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No hahahaha, it happens too much. When I mean that it means I try to edit so that other users are happy with it. But because you weren't, I reverted it back. Merry Christmas --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:09, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three box body? No 

message: Move this to sedan (car). Car is used far more than automobile and is the page Car, not "automobile".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:3FB0:300:BC36:37BA:1D93:59CB (talk) 09:58, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: I have added a globalisation template as at present this article primarily covers the history of these types of cars in the US with a small amount of information about the UK and a couple of other wealthy, mostly Anglophone nations added in. Given the ongoing greater popularity of saloon cars in non-Anglophone markets this seems especially relevant. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 17:52, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  US (and to a lesser extent UK) centric article 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Sedan(car) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 6#Sedan(car) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Steel1943 (talk) 19:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sedan(car)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: In Germany a Sedan normaly called a "Stufenheck" means directly translatet step-back or stage-back. But in official  vehicle papers a sedan always named as Limosine. In colloquial a Limousine is more a big sedan or  stretch limosine.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.216.207.15 (talk) 09:25, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sedan in German