Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 4

message: Can  be added to the list, or if it is already there somewhere, can you please let me know where to find it? --After Midnight 0001 16:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: restoring thread from archive which was not responded yet to --After Midnight 0001 19:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uw-attack 

message: Is there any way I can configure twinkle so it runs in FireFox but not in MWT? I think it causes script errors in MWT. --Captain Yankee (Talk) 18:16, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Is there any comparison between these two editors?  I have AWB, but am far from an expert on it.  I'm looking for a little more functionality, such as search out red links, redirect pages that link to non-existent pages, etc.  Do either of these tools enable such action?  Generally, any comparisons between what TW and AWB do would be helpful.  Thanks.  --CPAScott 16:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, AWB is a semi-automated editor. Twinkle is a collection of scripts that is mostly intended to help editors fight vandalism (among other things). The two are fundamentally different in focus and objectives. Oh, and please don't delink redlinks unless you have a good reason. They do serve a purpose and having them doesn't really hurt (please read WP:REDLINK). Cheers --Seed 2.0 17:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question - TW v. AWB 

message: How do you remove TW its butchering my screen. I removed it the import script from  user:Icewedge/monobook.js but the functions and the problems are still there. -Ĭ₠ŴΣĐĝё 20:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please be sure to clear your cache and restart your browser. --Seed 2.0 22:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, monobook.js changes usually take a few minutes before they go "live", for some reason.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why we have a purge function. :) -- Seed 2.0 10:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal 

message: Hi, I have written a delsorting tool based on the TW rollback functionality.  Anyone interested in it being integrated into TW?  To try it, include User:Jayvdb/delsort.js in the usual manner. John Vandenberg 19:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delsorting 

message: Auto-image removal is kinda neat, but it doesn't seem to handle brackets right is the image caption included a link.  See  for an example.  Thanks. --BigDT 00:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, I was afraid of that, I really don't know an easy way to fix that. If someone have an idea, plase tell me. →AzaToth 12:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auto-image removal 

message: I'd like to use TW, as it seems quite useful, but I use the Cologne Blue skin. I assumed I could get TW to work by merely adding the lines, as advised, to cologneblue.js instead of monobook.js. However, it doesn't seem to work, despite doing all the necessary hard reloading, purging caches, etc in Firefox. Is my hope to use TW with this skin bound to fail?  DDStretch  (talk) 12:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skins problem? 

message: The signature and timestamp tildes aren't necessary in the  template. Leaving users this warning with Twinkle creates duplicate signatures. Cheers, Anas talk? 13:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've had to make sure to remember to delete those, but I forget sometimes.  It would be nice to have this tweaked. --After Midnight 0001 23:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: restoring thread from archive which was not yet fixed --After Midnight 0001 10:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sig 

message: I have added a long wanted functionality for the script to automatically remove instances of images from articles. I hope it works just fine, have only tested it on an image with one article linked. It will edit up to 500 articles. So use it on your own risk :) →AzaToth 17:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you use it? And this must be great for admins deleted images. --R ParlateContribs@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 02:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bit of a warning, if you do a "db (reason)" on an image that is duplicated on Commons, then this new feature will remove instances in articles (even though the image is fine, the article is just using the Commons version). Eg from a maintenance cat I deleted Image:Erekle II of Georgia coat of arms.jpg and Twinkle incorrectly commented out an image usage. Mmm, even if you do "db (csd)" and select "I8: Images available on commons" I think it still comments out the images . But I do love the new deletion feature (it was on my wishlist :-). Would it be possible to get the script to list each time it edits an article to comment out an image, like above where it says removal of instances completed? I took a screenshot R Parlate, once you hit the "db (csd)" and select a reason you get this screen - the script goes to the deleted page, fills out the reason, deletes, and removes instances of the image automatically (listing each step). By the way is Twinkle freely licensed, I don't know if that affects the copyright on the screenshot? Oh and why does it comment out the images rather than just removing them (I'm not up-to-date with the image removal guidelines)? And does it work ok with images in Infoboxes, I have heard they can be hard for scripts to spot?--Commander Keane 10:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Yea, it shouldn't remove images on CSD:I8, I'll fix that. Why I only have a counter was because I felt it might be a bit too much information to list up to 500 pages. How it works, is that it tries to remove the image from up to 500 pages (the max for admins to grab from the api), it it's there it gets removed, if it's not on that page it will skip to next. →AzaToth 10:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great tool. This will really be used. It keeps adding all the articles I remove images from to my watchlist. I have'nt found anything it configuration manual. Anyway to avoid this? Rettetast 10:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twinklespeedy image addition for admins 

message: Have made a such big refatoring of speedy now, my fingers are burning. Sadly I havn't been able to test it as non-admin, but think it should be fine. I made a decision to remove the "db (reason)", as I felt it was a bit unneeded, as for an admin it's just clicking in the "delete" tab, and for a non-admin to add . If there are any problem, shout! →AzaToth 20:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't seem to be working properly for me. I've been trying to flag a speedy G4 and it seems that the script is trying to actually delete the page. It comes up with "grabbing page...", "deleting page..." - then it just stops. --Kurt Shaped Box 21:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops, missed one copy there :) fixed →AzaToth 21:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still doesn't seem to be working. Stops at "Updating the page" now. :( --Kurt Shaped Box 22:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed again, was a little lazy there, didn't test the non-admin functionallity. Have tested it now, and it works for me. →AzaToth 23:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to be working great now. Thanks very much. :) --Kurt Shaped Box 23:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: For admins it used to add the summary and delete the page, then take you to the deleted confirmation. Now the status box remains and it doesn't take you to the confirmation page. —Ocatecir Talk 01:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the procedure from the older post-form to the XmlhttpRequest approach. To be able to be sure that everything is completed, I need to add trackers. →AzaToth 03:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the tooltips, but unless I missed it, there's now no way to enter a specific reason that you make yourself. I think it's useful for those that don't meet some of them exactly. --R ParlateContribs@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 04:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I felt that the "db (reason)" was unneeded, as admins has their delete tab, and for non-admins, it's just the to add a . But If you feel the need for the abillity to do just that, I migh be able to fix something. →AzaToth 11:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe something like the comments box on ARV? --R ParlateContribs@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 12:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major refactor of Speedy 

message: When I last installed twinkle my popup edit summary stopped working. The pop ups worked but when I went to revert spam or vandalism about half way through a box appeared with a message saying automatic edit summary unavailable, or something like that. When I uninstalled twinkle it started to work again and I am not sure if twinkle worked as well. Would it be possible for me to have both pop ups and twinkle and have them both work or could someone tell me if I did something wrong. Thanks--AdamJWC 05:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Popup edit summary? never have heard about that. →AzaToth 13:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I might not be using the wright terminology for it but thats what I mean--AdamJWC 13:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not clear what you want help with; could you explain? (By the way,  should usually go on your own User talk page ('my talk' at the top of the screen); place helpme back up and explain the problem there. --ais523 13:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popup edit summary 

message: Would it be possible to change the part of the script that opens the user's talk page to make it open as a new regular window or a new tab (depending on how the user's browser is configured) vs. opening a pop-up window?  My pop-up blocker on Firefox currently eats the talk page window, but the pop-up is a bit annoying even with the blocker turned off.  If it opened a new tab, I'd think that would be much more manageable.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:03, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That happens until you allow popups for wikipedia. You need to go under preferences to change that sir. Have a nice week and God bless:)--James, La gloria è a dio 20:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not what I'm asking.  I'd like to be able to have it open as a tab instead of a pop-up.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New window/tab vs. pop-up 

message: What exactly does the "torev" argument specify? SalaSkan 21:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When you revert to a revision that doesn't have to be the last one. --(Review Me) R ParlateContribs@(Let's Go Yankees!) 00:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, okay, perhaps it'd be a bit clearer to state that on the page. SalaSkan 14:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torev 

message: Would it be possible to create a new parameter to be added to the configuration?  In User:AzaToth/twinklewarn.js, I would like to have a parameter like TwinkleConfig.summaryAd, perhaps called TwinkleConfig.blocksummaryAd, that would be used specifically within the function blockTagAdd.  --After Midnight 0001 18:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New configuration item 

message: I strongly suggest that in the default configuration, nothing but reverting vandalism gets marked as "minor". This is because a) things like prodding pages or reverting good-faith edits should definitely not be marked as minor, and b) many people just copy and paste the settings and forget about it (like I did until recently), and I have seen people get in trouble for marking TW edits as minor, while this happened automatically. Can I be bold and change the default configuration? SalaSkan 14:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Default configuration change 

message: Has anyone tested this in new Safari? I loaded it last night and saw the tw links popped up, but I didn't have the chance to test it. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 17:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safari Beta 3 

message: Sorry to be such a dunce here, but what's the command to turn off adding user talk pages to your watchlist after assigning a warning to it? Wildthing61476 19:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Think I called it for watchWarnings. →AzaToth 20:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding User talk pages to watchlist 

message: I added the line of text to my monopage.js file and the final result was...um... underwhelming. It did nothing at all. I use Opera and have refreshed my cache multiple times, re-entered the text multiple times and still nothing is working. Trusilver 23:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like you have installed it correctly in your monobook.js.  What version of Opera are you using, and are you running Windows, OS X or Linux? John Vandenberg 23:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm using Windows XP and version 9.20 of Opera. Trusilver 23:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After repeated attempts, I have been unable to get Twinkle to work on Opera 9.20. I have had to switch off to Firefox while I'm using the script. Trusilver 06:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Working 

message: Frequently, I like to leave a welcome message above the warning, leave a custom message (like ) instead of something on the menu, or use preview to make sure that everything looks right.  One of the things I do all the time, particularly with IP addresses, is pick vandalism from the menu so I get the edit summary and dynamic IP message, then change the message to use  instead of whatever uw- message it comes with by default.
Another critical problem that basically makes the deletion functionality unusable for me is that I never get the delete "Action complete" page.  That page is important for two reasons (1) it reminds you about deleting the talk page and (2) it gives you links to get back to CAT:CSD and its subpages. --BigDT 00:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (1): enable the delete talk page on delete functionallity. (2), I could try to grab that content and display it. →AzaToth 00:48, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there any way to get the old warn functionality back? 

message: I've nominated pages with the xfd tab, and it is not completing the task. The dialog box says it's going through all the steps, then stalls on 'nomination complete'. It will make the discussion page and post the discussion in the day's log, but it is not putting the template or an edit summary in the article itself. I keep having to do that step manually. DarkAudit 15:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just tried to run xfd on List of superheroes who wear suits in their secret identities. The only thing TW actually did was notify the author. I closed the box after about a minute and had to do everything else manually. DarkAudit 14:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete AfDs 

message: have rewamped twinklewarn now, I hope it works for you guys. At the moment, no blocking templates is included, if you miss them, please tell me and I readd them. →AzaToth 15:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I like the old one better, it was much faster to warn vandals with. :( --Mschel 15:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there is any visible change of time. Remember now that you don't need to be on the edit page, you can be on the ordinary page as well. Also, you don't need to add more text, and you don't need to add the article (it will fill in automatic if 'vanarticle' is set) →AzaToth 16:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But all my block templates are gone! It is nicer though, but the block templates part was handy. -- lucasbfr talk 18:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the old system with the block templates was a bit broken, so I have to implement a new system. →AzaToth 18:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Have added the blocking messages now again(?). →AzaToth 19:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks good. The other thing I would recommend is adding the levels to the dropdowns for new TW users (ie. General note (1), caution (2). --(Review Me) R ParlateContribs@(Let's Go Yankees!) 22:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks a lot, it seems to be working :) -- lucasbfr talk 14:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twinklewarn update 

message: Is there an easy way to eliminate the time delay between posting messages on user's talk pages?  What's the point?--RandomHumanoid(⇒) 06:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please change this default three minute delay.  It makes dealing with persistent vandals quite tiresome.--RandomHumanoid(⇒) 06:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I initially choosed one minute, but then asked some people what would be the most optimal minimum time between warnings I should implement into twinkle, and they all said three minutes. If you feel this is a way too long time, I could lower it. The reason for the time delay is mostly to prevent a user to get two warnings for the same thing. →AzaToth 09:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not so sure this is going to do more good than harm. In the Lincoln (footballer) for example, I gave a user a level 2 warning and was surprised I couldn't send the level 3 one shortly afterwards. I don't see the benefit in this if an IP is on a drive by vandalism spree. Spellcast 11:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a minute is reasonable; spree vandals can do a lot of harm in three minutes, and many can be stopped by an equally fast set of warnings without going to ARV.  Rmasbury 12:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Case in point: User talk:194.95.224.114 went on a tear and three or four editors and an admin couldn't issue a consistent, escalated set of warnings due to delays.  He got blocked, but not very well warned.  Rmasbury 12:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally like the 3 minutes delay, because the user might not notice the first warning before he is issued the second, otherwise. 3 minutes (make it 2, maybe) is long enough to assume that the user saw the big yellow notice. -- lucasbfr talk 14:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This argument holds true for those (few) new users who innocently make mistakes.  However, there are so many blatant vandals here, where Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith does not apply, that I really think the delay should be turned into a confirmation dialog.  Or better yet, I'll second my own motion to remove it entirely and rely on editors' judgment.--RandomHumanoid(⇒) 14:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was mostly to prevent two people to post warnings at the same time, but I'll reduce it to, lets say one minute? →AzaToth 14:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmnnn, since the results generally get displayed immediately, for some definition of "immediately" based on server load, I'd reduce it to 30 seconds to prevent the race condition you describe.  (Although I don't know how well time-sync'ed the servers here are.)--RandomHumanoid(⇒) 14:44, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, many anonymous users aren't getting these messages due to a bug in the messaging system. See :Category:Wikipedians_who_are_terribly_frustrated_about_Bug_ID_9213 for more details. --Hdt83  Chat 18:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time delay 

message: Whenever I add tags to pages for speedy deletion, The little box saying I added a tag stays and I must X out of the box and re-load the page to even see the tag I placed. Can this be fixed? Can the box automatically close itself and the page re-load with the tag placed on it?Wikidudeman (talk) 15:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion is ongoing on this page under the heading `Reload page on CSD'--Rossheth | Talk 15:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's another problem. I can't add warnings to pages. Whenever I try to add a warning to a page the box pops up for me to choose the type of warning however the box under that, that specifies the warning, All I see is "XX" in the box and I can't add warnings.Wikidudeman (talk) 15:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That problem is fixed now. --Mschel 15:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, It's not. [].Wikidudeman (talk) 15:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, that shouldn't be possible. I can't think of anywhere the XX can get from. →AzaToth 16:21, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It looks like it just fixed itself. It seems to be working fine now.Wikidudeman (talk) 16:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the Reload page on CSD problem?Wikidudeman (talk) 19:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem... 

message: I appreciate the way that you make changes and improvements all the time. Thanks!
I have a weird bug with the new version.  I like to put a welcome tag before any warning or note, but when I do this with the new version, the welcome template I type in gets deleted when I save. Or at least it disappears. It would be great to know how to solve this one... Another idea would be to ask it would even be possible to have a 'welcome' that we could select to be added as part of the Twinkle process  --Slp1 02:54, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As the new version is totally automated, what you previous typed into the edit box is not evaluated, as it's designed to be usable from the normal talk page also. →AzaToth 09:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be nice to have the ability to only add at the bottom of the page, either without saving directly or by keeping the content of the edit box. Maybe with a textbox? Is that doable? I changed my mind about a warning and I had to remove the previous one first before using TW. -- lucasbfr talk 14:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like there's a lot of fans of the old way Aza. Is there a chance we can make this new one-click warning system optional? I do like making all my edits in one go, and it's a little frustrating going back to put in what twinke didn't do. --Breno talk 14:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: One more thing too, did the new version go from placing warnings under Header 3's to Header 2's? It's not a huge drama but if there's already a ===June 2007=== then a ==June 2007== shouldn't be inserted. Many thanks. --Breno talk 14:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New version 

message: Thank you for this very useful tool!
Where can I find the scripts used for the various warnings? Now with the pop-up boxes, I can no longer view the warnings before they're posted on the user's page.
Thanks -- Operalalatalk 22:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The grid of warnings is here at WP:WARN. If you want the text that gets inserted into the page either click the individual warnings or the full list is on WP:WARNMLD. --Breno talk 14:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warning scripts? 

message: can you make it so that the pop up warn box inside the popup window with the talk page has something like a check box that, if checked, closes the window with the talk page so we don't have to move the mouse up to the x in the upper right hand corner of the window?  That would be nice.  Sincerely, Sir intellegent - smartr tahn eaver!!!! 22:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So make a click just to save a click? Have you checked the Twinkle config: the setting called userTalkPageMode can open talk pages either in a new tab or independant windows. Not exactly what you want, but I switched to tab mode and it does help keep wiki editing together better. --Breno talk 07:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A minor Idea 

message: When I use TW to notify an IP or account that they have been blocked, it always signs twice, once in the template and once afterwards. Now that I can't hit preview and take this out, it's there every time. GoodnightmushTalk 17:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I knew I forgot that one... →AzaToth 19:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Block Templates 

message: Could someone make a list about which edits should/could be marked as minor and which that must not be marked as minor. →AzaToth 18:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I think that WP:VP marks user talk warnings as minor.  You might want to check with Amidaniel if you have a desire to be consistent. --After Midnight 0001 01:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: *:I don't have a desire to be consistent, just mearly what needs to be major or can be minor. →AzaToth 07:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just noticed that twinkle marks afd notice on the page to be deleted as minor (see ). This page specifically states that you shouldn't do that, and as far as I can tell there isn't even a config option.--Rossheth | Talk to me 11:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. →AzaToth 13:10, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the quick response.--Rossheth | Talk to me 13:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor versus normal 

message: What does TW actually add for admins, and how does it work? --(Review Me) R ParlateContribs@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 20:50, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For twinklespeedy, instead of requesting speedy deletion, it will delete the page instead (and it's talk page, and if it's an image and it's not deleted per CSD I8, then it will edit up to 500 articles to remove any links to the image). for twinkleprotect, instead of requesting protection, it will protect/unprotect the page (and adding/removing protection templates). That's the major differences. →AzaToth 22:53, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And, not to forget, the salting module which, well, does just that. ;) --S up? 23:07, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference for admins 

message: I've noticed that twinkle leaves a blank line at the top of the page when warning a user with a previously blank talk page (see ). This leaves a slightly unsightly blank gap above the date heading. I'm fully aware that this is nitpicking in the extreme ;-).--Rossheth | Talk to me 19:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twinkle leaves blank line when warning on talk page 

message: There is something weird with the block templates: they are supposed to act be outputing "for a short time" when you omit the |time= parameter. But when I use that templates with twinkle,  is output instead. To be honest, I don't see why. See [the user:example page] to see the outputs. -- lucasbfr talk 23:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Block templates (again) 

message: Just a note to say how much I appreciate the sense of humor you coded into Twinkle. ;-) 01:20, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a note 

message: Recently I notice that TW leaves the dialog box open when nominating for CSD and does not reload the page after tagging. Was this change intentional, because I at least find that this means I then have to find the `close' button on the dialog box (small font), then reload the page to check that it was tagged properly.--Rossheth | Talk 17:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Same with admins deleting. GoodnightmushTalk 20:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason for no reload on admins, is that, there are no page to reload to, we just deleted it. I could either try to parse the data returned, to see if it went all right, or I could try to reload the page. →AzaToth 21:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely it doesn't matter if there's no page there, because you'll just get the placeholder with the deletion log on?--Rossheth | Talk 12:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: SO how can this be fixed?Wikidudeman (talk) 15:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to see reload brought back if possible, because that page linking to the deletion log also alerts that the deleted page had a talk page and provides a 1-click to delete it. GoodnightmushTalk 17:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll suggest what I'd like to see as a user (not an admin): begin page reload when tagging for CSD, PROD, and AfD, start reload say 1-2 seconds after the edit is submitted, close the dialog box after all the messages have been displayed (unless there's an error). If the database is lagging more than that delay, it doesn't matter too much, because the user will probably either try to tag again, which TW will catch, or reload the page, after which the database will probably have caught up.--Rossheth | Talk to me 20:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 1-2 seconds after what edit? remember, that for a normal user, CSD and PROD will do two edits, one on the page in question, and one on the original contributors page. For AFD, it will do around 4 edits, on on the article, on to create the discussion page, one to link that discussion page to the todays list, and one toify the original contributor. As for AFD, the question I ask, is that why should it reload the actual page. That for me seems to be the least optimal load. Why not load the newly created discussion page? Or why not load the todays list so the user may dig through some other nominees? Or we could allways load the orginal contributors talk page. Perhaps we want to read that one to see if he/she has done some more stuff in need of correction. Also in the near future, I will port the image tagging code to the IFD part of XFD, resulting in a up to 50+ edits for a normal user... What edit is the counter :) It not that easy to just say: "Realod when it's done", as it's not processed in a serial way. It's all paralell processing. I believe that more important to code, is some sort of error checking code to ensure that an edit really went through (for that, there are three ways, the easy way, the hard way and the way I havn't learn yet). No, before I implement reaload/load target functionallity, I need more input to where it should reload*/direct to. →AzaToth 03:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I want the page where the script was executed reloaded.  Say I executed CFD tag on Burberry (picking an article out of the blue).  I end up reloading it anyway to visually confirm that the edit went through as I expected.  So to reload Burberry after the script completed like it used to is a BIG help to me, since I can see that things worked properly automatically, and not have to manually reload the page.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 05:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see if I can make that easly. But you are talking about specific issues. What about the rest? →AzaToth 06:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, in my opinion, exactly the same thing should happen for prod. As for Afd, maybe open today's discussions? Or maybe make it user configurable.--Rossheth | Talk to me 11:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What we're asking is if you could make it like it was previously a few weeks ago. This means that after we click "CSD" and choose the option we want and it loads, We want the screen that says "Updating the page" "Checking for tags on page" etc, to close itself and the page that we tagged to reload so that it shows the tag. Currently we need to close the CSD screen and then re-load the page we previously tagged to see it all, which gets tiresome.Wikidudeman (talk) 00:31, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reload page on CSD 

message: Is there a way to get back the previous version where the warning levels were displayed with individual tabs like {1}, {2} , {3}, {4} and a list of warnings for each level? I prefer that version over the pop-up box that now shows for the warn tab. --Hdt83  Chat 00:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can just copy it from the history. →AzaToth 01:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason for removing tghe tabs was because there was too many tabs, and the tabs doesn't work well for people with small screens. →AzaToth 01:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it at all feasible to make all of your recent changes into options that can be turned off?  I too would rather just grab the old version, but I don't want to miss out on future updates/bug fixes. --BigDT 01:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I also liked the previous version better. It enabled me to put in the SharedIP and proper warning layout per WP:UW. --Breno talk 05:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I have missed that it a new guideline, I try to implement that. →AzaToth 09:38, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I also have to agree on this one.  Tabbed version was much better and allowed better formatting of warnings, and I'm totally used to the old format.  While I agree that one can simply revert to the old version manually, it seems like it might be a better option to make it a configuration directive.  Anyway, keep up the great work. =)  --koder 08:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I also noticed that if one tried to implement the older version, the JS threw errors about not having addlimenu(), which AzaToth recently removed from the trunk of twinkle.js.  Thus, in case anyone is interested, and as long as it's okay with AzaToth, I went ahead and added the prereqs and the actual old-format warnings to User:Koder/twinkle-oldwarn.js for everyone to use.  Just make sure you're using the long-format invocation of twinkle (ie, calling every single script instead of simply calling twinkle.js), and it'll work fine.  Cheers.  --koder 11:10, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Koder, not too sure what you mean though. Are you able to post somewhere what I'd need to put into my monobook.js? Also, do my custom settings for twinkle break if it's moved like that? --Breno talk 14:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at the installation section for WP:TWINKLE and you should figure it out quick. All you customized configs should be fine. JoeSmack Talk 04:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it isn't working for me. Here is my monobook setting, , everything should be fine... arg! JoeSmack Talk 05:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like youdouble-included importScript('Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Add LI menu'); and importStylesheet('Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Add LI menu/css');, which I already include in the script itself.  Double check your browser to see if it throws errors about redefining functions, or just simply try removing those two lines and hard refresh.  Cheers.  --slakr 15:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Previous Version? 

message: How can I get the old version? I preferred the version with the individual tabs for different warning levels. Clamster 02:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As did I.  Is it possible to still use that? - G1ggy Talk/Contribs 07:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as it's okay with AzaToth, I went ahead and did that:  User:Koder/twinkle-oldwarn.js.  Just make sure to call twinkle not using the one-line-only way, but by adding each individual module that you want, THEN replacing what would normally be the warning script with this one.  It also includes the old prereqs that were removed/obsoleted. --koder 11:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's awesome!  Thank you so much =D -- - G1ggy Talk/Contribs 06:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No prob.  I'm not sure if it will ever be an issue, though, but I just recently changed my username to 'Slakr'.  Technically everything should work fine, but if you ever get a chance, you might also want to switch it over.  Cheers.  --slakr 15:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Version? 

message: Ugh, I hate it! It makes it take twice as long to find the right warning from the drop-down menu and warn the vandal, time I should be spending reverting other changes. I like the way it checks for old warnings and such on the vandal's page to make the right level and provides a space for comments, but can you please bring back the tab for each warning level and then bring up the box? -- BlastOButter42 See Hear Speak 20:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, after using it a little more, it isn't so bad. But can you at least provide the option to use either way? -- BlastOButter42 See Hear Speak 20:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will probably not be able to provide an option to use the old lousy code. →AzaToth 06:37, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I guess it just took some getting used to -- I like it fine now. -- BlastOButter42 See Hear Speak 00:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New "warn" tab 

message: I made a good-faith edit and then a BJAODN, whereupon someone Twinkled both edits into revert heaven. This forced me to restore the good faith edit, which was wrongly deleted. Any way to fix that little bug? 204.52.215.107 06:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If someone sees an edit they decide is vandalism, twinkle will automatically revert previous edits made in a row by that person on that article, assuming they are also vandalism. In 99.9% of the cases, this is true -- usually the vandal is editing what he said, or, having seen that no one has reverted him, adding more. But users should always be careful not to revert non-vandalism, and it is their responsibility to check. TWINKLE is just trying to save time here. -- BlastOButter42 See Hear Speak 06:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: On the surface, it looks to me like the edits you made were good and it was probably an over-zealous editor that reverted it.  You may help prevent this from happening in the future by getting a user account and more importantly, use the edit summary.  A long series of non-described edits made by anonymous users tends to arouse suspicion, though it seems that this time the one reverting is at fault.  You might want to ask why you were reverted, on the talk page of that user. --Pekaje 12:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Twinkle is not a bot-it's a program that users can use to do certain things more quickly than would otherwise be possible. A real person has to push the button to do anything.--Rossheth | Talk to me 11:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor glitch in Twinkle - or are its users a bit too happy to hit the trigger button? 

message: I love to use TWINKLE with Lupin's Anti-Vandal tool. One drawback to this, though, is that I often identify a bunch of vandalisms, click the (last) button to open them up in new tabs, and go through reverting them all. When I do this, the talk page for the first one opens up in a new window, but then as the other vandalisms are reverted, the talk pages for those vandals are opened in the same window, so eventually only the last vandal I reverted's page is open. I assume this is Firefox trying to keep down the clutter by preventing each vandal's page from being opened in a new window. Is there a way to make sure each talk page is opened? The only way I can see is to have talk pages opened in a new tab instead of a new window -- perhaps Firefox would allow multiple new pages to be opened if they are opened in tabs.
By the way, as a long term project, it would be interesting to see if TWINKLE and AVT could be integrated in some manner, since they already work so well together. -- BlastOButter42 See Hear Speak 00:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New windows 

message: Quite simply, I don't have the ARV tab. I used to have it though. Smokizzy (talk) 13:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The ARV tab is not visible. 

message: Have added image instance tagging for IFD now. it's limited to maximum of 50 instances, as that's the maximum a normal user gat get from the api per request, so if you are an admin, and feel that 50 pages is too little, you can poke on me. Have also updated the code for speedy removal of instances to use a more refined code, able to detect nested tags. →AzaToth 23:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image instance tagging 

message: The prod tab doesn't show up on user-pages.  Proposed deletion is appropriate there, as a low-bureaucracy method of removing pages where someone has used Wikipedia as their free web-host and has since become inactive. Can anything be done about this? --Pekaje 19:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, either I missed that clause, or it was added after I created the PROD thingi. I'll loook it up tomorrow if I get time. →AzaToth 16:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prod of user-page? 

message: Can someone set this up for me on my monobook page? I'm having trouble getting it to work!  themcman1  talk 13:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had some compatibility problems when I first installed Twinkle.  I suggest you try removing all of your current monobook.js contents  and adding the Twinkle script; that may get it to work.  Then you can re-add each component of the stuff you deleted, to isolate which element is breaking Twinkle.  That's what worked for me (it was Live Preview that broke mine). -Joshuapaquin 13:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help? 

message: When I try tagging articles for CSD, occasionally Twinkle says the tagging has been done when in fact it wasn't. Once, I ended up warning a user but did not tag the article. Am I doing something wrong here? - TwoOars 21:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possilbe a bug, but until I can get grab of a edit failed page, it's not much I can do about it. →AzaToth 04:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I have it... I get this problem when there is an edit conflict I think. When there is an EC, TW says the page is tagged and opens the user talk page of the creator. Not a big problem anyway, just a minor annoyance. - TwoOars 06:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it a bug? 

message: Every time I try to use the XfD tool, it does not work. All what TW does is notify the creator; it neither creates the XfD, nor does it place it in the log. It seems to work for others, though. I tried purging my cache a couple of times, but it didn't work. Is there something wrong? I would appreciate some help. —Anas talk? 13:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't work reliably here either.  Notification and AFD subpage was created, tag and log were not.  It has worked before, though. --Pekaje 20:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm trying to fix the problem, but I need data from you what the http result is. →AzaToth 21:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How, exactly, can I get these results for you? —Anas talk? 10:55, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed this as well. Twinkle created the subpage, added the tag to the article and correctly notified the article's creator. No problem there (except for the leading space before the signature, which may very well have been my fault though). No error messages or anything in the log but Twinkle somehow didn't transclude the subpage into the log (I did that manually). --S up? 13:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The same thing just happened with another nomination. 'Adding AFD discussion to the todays list...' is listed in the logfile though. -- S up? 13:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had this same bug for a while - it gets rather annoying, so I usually skip AFDs using twinkle and do them myself. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 23:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  XfD not working? 

message: In the ARV module, twinkle will create a new report on UAA when there is already one there for that user. I noticed there are three reports on UAA for the same user, two of which are twinkle, and the first is the original request. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 23:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UAA Duplicates 

message: I just nominated Lindsay Lohan's third album for deletion using TW. While it correctly created the AFD discussion and added it to the list, it did not actually place the afd1 template on the article itself (had to add it manually). --Kurt Shaped Box 14:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, there was no error message. The script appeared to have completely normally, yet when I reloaded the article, the template had not been inserted. --Kurt Shaped Box 15:08, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant what the error message would be if you made it manually. →AzaToth 15:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I've had a similar problem, in that it placed the tags onto the article, and the original authors page, but it did not create the AFD subpage or add the listing to the main afd page. It also added the templates for a 2nd nomination, when I couldn't find a first. The scripts all seemed to run OK, but the box never closed. Kevin 02:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A slight variant on this. In my instance Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Concorde pilots, it did not add the transcluded page into the main afd page. → AA (talk • contribs) — 11:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can fix the problem, but I need to know what the return data is when a failed edit is made. →AzaToth 12:24, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: hmmm...I didn't notice - it seemed to have worked at the time. I only observed this after User:DumbBOT added it (and a bunch of others) into the main AfD page. I'll keep an eye out for it, if it happens again. Is there something specific, I should look for (where is the return data)? Also, there is no confirmation in the messages to say "all is done - you can now close this window". → AA (talk • contribs) — 12:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are running firefox, you could install the extension firebug, and when you are sending a report, activate firebug, and if one edit fails, you gan grab the http result from there. →AzaToth 12:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - will install the addon and see if it happens again (have to hunt for something to nominate now :) → AA (talk • contribs) — 13:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Checking your contributions, it seems that it was the edit where it were to add the tag to the article, correct? I would then need the content under POST http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dick%20Smith_Foods&action=submit (1281ms)index.php (line 372), i.e. the html of the reply for the failed edit. →AzaToth 15:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep - that's the one. I've e-mailed you the complete response (twas quite long). Let me know if you need anything else. → AA (talk • contribs) — 16:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I know now what's the problem, the server lost the session data, can see if I can fix that. →AzaToth 17:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to have been able to help. Hopefully, it'll be an easy fix. → AA (talk • contribs) — 20:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought it was going to be a really easy fix, but it seems I need to restructurate a big part, so it migfht take some time. →AzaToth 12:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TW not placing AFD tags on nominated article 

message: If I tag an article for SD when I've already done so (such as when they remove the tag) it won't let me, it automatically sends me to the user's talk page, and does not add the tag. Is this a bug? Alcemáe T • C 19:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple CSD 

message: Ok. I have installed Twinkle, and am using it. It can revert vandalism, but, unless I've misread the documentation, I get no reports posted to the user's pages, no matter what I do (clearing browser cache, restarting my browser and my PC even.) Can anyone advise? Am I supposed to be doing anything else other than pressing the various Rollback options?  Nothing opebns upon the user's talk page, no new tab appears, as people have mentioned, all that happens is that I get the various notices about the edits being reverted, which they are, and that the user's talk pages have been opened, which they appear not to have been. I am using Firefox 2.0.0.4 under Kubuntu (KDE desktop on Ubuntu Linux system). Thanks.  DDStretch  (talk) 11:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: just an idea, but are your popups blocked? Brianga 12:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I did. Unblocking wikipedia seems at first glance, to have solved the problem. Thanks!  DDStretch  (talk) 21:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twinkle Not Working Entirely? 

message: Not sure if this is part of some work in progress, but I noticed that TW didn't subst the AFD template it added here.  Is this a known issue, or am I in error in thinking that the template in question should be substed? JavaTenor 18:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not an issue in twinkle, but it's how  and  is defined. →AzaToth 19:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twinkle didn't subst an AFD template 

message: Can IPs perform TW rollbacks such as this vandal? Or was this just edit summary bluff?--Húsönd 02:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No monobook.js so I doubt it. ViridaeTalk 02:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He just copied my edit summary I think hence why he added "TWO CAN PLACE THIS GAME, YOU ASSWIPE!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!".  Jackaranga 02:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Also if you look at this diff, you can see that when you revert to a version by an unregistered user it says " to last revision by 69.183.150.107" not "to last revision by an anonymous user ", like he put.  Jackaranga 02:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I was about to say... that was a very non-standard summary for TWINKLE.  No links.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twinkle-armed vandal 

message: I nominated some articles for deletion today and Twinkle didn't put the  notice on the page or create the discussion page—it only notified the creator. Anybody else having a similar problem? east.718 00:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see the discussion about this above your comment. Thanks. --S up? 00:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't use Safari, I'm on Firefox 1.5. east.718 07:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try Firefox 2.0.0.4. —Anas talk? 11:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twinkle not completing AfD's correctly