Talk:List of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees/Archive 1

message: Could somebody add a list of inductees to the radio wing? (eg. David Marsden). Samaritan 03:16, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radio wing 

message: I have to imagine that the purported 2006 inductees are fake. The "current inductees" page (http://www.rockhall.com/hof/currinductees.asp) from the HoF site lists nothing past 2005.
:Maybe they have been announced but not officially inducted yet?  See here. Tuf-Kat 07:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006? 

message: I think we should re-organize this page so that all the inductees are listed together according to year instead of being split into categories.  And besides, as it is, only the "Performers" section is even split into years. I think this page should be organized like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony page has the listings except that that page only has listings for the last several.  That information can be deleted afterwards and perhaps in place of it we could mention which bands played at which ceremonies (as the bands don't always play themselves) and who were the inductors or whatever you call those people.  But that's for a different page and can be dealt with later. How does that sound?  Oh and we might even want to include the names of the individual inductees as some band members that aren't very noteworthy get left out.--Lairor 01:09, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed change of format 

message: Name       	Year inducted	Influence                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   	Recordings                                                                                                                                                                                                          	Members and Notes
Chuck Berry	1986         	Berry "comes the closest of any single figure to have invented rock and roll"... "Berry laid the groundwork for not only a rock and roll sound but a rock and roll stance"... "Berry wrote and performed rock and roll for the ages."Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: Chuck Berry	"Back in the U.S.A." - "Maybellene" - "Rock and Roll Music" - "Brown Eyed Handsome Man" - "Too Much Monkey Business" - "Roll Over Beethoven" - "Sweet Little Sixteen" - "School Day" - "Johnny B. Goode" - "Memphis"	
           	             	                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            	                                                                                                                                                                                                                    	
:That's a great idea. I believe we should begin to templatize this page with this format. Anyone agree? Doc Strange 12:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in the process of doing so here. -- Scorpion0422 00:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templatized list 

message: Although the HOF web site calls them "The Eagles", all of their albums have called them just "Eagles". --grr 18:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eagles 

message: it says that eric clapton was inducted 3 times making him the most but so was neil young —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.85.95.162 (talk) 05:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  eric clapton inducted most? 

message: I removed the references to Clem Burke not being inducted with the Ramones and Sly Stone not being inducted with Parliament-Funkadelic. Playing three gigs with a band, or performing on a single track, wouldn't normally be considered enough to imply full membership in a band so as to warrant induction with them into the R&R HOF. It's not even worth mentioning that they weren't inducted with those bands because nobody would expect them to be. --Metropolitan90 05:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: and your bad spelling and off topic rant. Doc Strange 12:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-inductees 

message: Seriously, can anyone take the rock and roll hall of fame anymore? I'm not trying to start a flame war, but Rap is what KILLED Rock and Roll, and now its in the Hall of Fame? Thats a MAJOR slap to the face to real rockers, and i refuse to acknowledge the rock and roll hall of fame as a serious thing now.--Dr. Pizza 06:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rap in Rock and Roll upsets me and many others 

message: Pink Floyd "disbanded" many times yet at the same time never officially disbanded. While Waters left in the 80s they still went with the band name and may release another album eventually.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.146.60 (talk) 00:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pink Floyd 

message: I had put Sam Cooke in the "multiple inductee" list a while ago, and later noticed it was removed. Since the current revision of the article specifically states he was included for the early influence induction of the Soul Stirrers, I think it's fair that he should be reinstated in such a list as well. Why, that's one awkwardly-phrased comment. Mrbluesky (talk) 21:09, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He previously wasn't there because I couldn't find a reliable source that said he was inducted as part of the Soul Stirrers, but I guess he could be added. -- Scorpion0422 21:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sam Cooke as a multiple inductee 

message: he turned down the invite due to prior plans with priest but hes in the hall of fame now heres my source.http://www.spike.com/blog/dave-mustaine-turns/74612 Zakkman (talk) 11:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't have to be inducted to be able to attend the ceremony. The official website still says he's not. Until it does, he shouldn't be included. -- Scorpion0422 13:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mustaine is inducted with Metallica 

message: My arguments for merging are largely the same as what were used in the afd. The page is a POV content fork with no proof of notability and could easily be merged into this page. -- Scorpion0422 12:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of women inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 

message: Why is it necessary to include an image next to almost every performer inducted? These images are large enough to cause significant load times and are small enough to hardly be identifiable. They are already incredibly numerous and at the rate the list is growing, this page will be almost unreadable in the future. If someone wants to look further into a performer they can easily do so by clicking on their name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandoid (talk • contribs) 02:11, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Performer Images 

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message: Leon Russell, is IN the Rock n' Roll hall of fame, WHY is he not on there?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.7.213 (talk) 23:21, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHY ISNT LEON RUSSELL IN THE RnR LIST? 

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message: I've removed the images from the tables. The page is no more informative with them than it is without them. It makes the tables look sloppy and it's poor presentation, especially on a featured list. It became a featured list just fine without the gratuitous overuse of images, and I don't think you'll find images used this way on any other featured list. Besides, a large number of these images look like indecipherable blobs when downsized far enough to squeeze into a table. --Bongwarrior (talk) 23:25, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, List of Nobel laureates in Literature, List of Nobel laureates in Chemistry, List of Nobel Peace Prize laureates, List of Nobel laureates in Physics, List of Nobel laureates in Physiology or Medicine, List of National Parks of Canada, List of Presidents of the United States and many many others of similar types. Next time, do your research before making blanket claims. -- Scorpion0422 01:06, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

text: I agree with Bongwarrior. The table looks better without the images. In these example lists most of the pictures are similar in height and lenght, but on this list the pictures vary in length and height, so it does look awful. Additionally, the "Inducted members" is too large and optically odd with those empty cells. Suggest move the pictures from the table to the right side, similar to the Vietnamese version. We then adjust the size and include the most qualitative pictures and exclude those depicting less notable artists. But of course this is just my opinion. Feel free to discuss this or make other suggestions. Regards.--♫GoP♫TCN 12:02, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what our page used to look like too. The reason the switch was made was because users kept switching images (since we can't display them all), so the decision was made to try incorporating them into the table. -- Scorpion0422 00:53, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed images 

message: *I would like RAP and Scorpion to agree to a WP:0RR restriction on this page, meaning you discuss before reverting. You could still tag the disputed content instead if appropriate. An agreement not to make snide remarks in edit summaries would be nice as well. Discussion is what you do instead of edit warring, not what you do during or after you edit war. I would have thought this was made perfectly clear to both of you last time you edit warred here. Please indicate whether or not you will accept a 0RR restriction on this page. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:46, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: *I've fully protected the page for a day to give you both time to think about this. I could have (and possibly should have) blocked the two of you instead, practically every edit since the two of you were blocked ins more edit warring. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:51, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: *"I could have (and possibly should have) blocked the two of you" There's no possibly about it, to be honest. I'm quite surprised we weren't both blocked last night. But yes, I agree to that. Out of curiosity, could you provide a third opinion in our dispute? -- Scorpion0422 19:08, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In a word, no. Only because that would make me an involved admin and I would not be able to take any further administrative action regarding this issue. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:58, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for voluntary restrictions

message: It has been mentioned in various articles that the members being inducted are Kiedis, Flea, Smith, Klinghoffer, Frusciante, Slovak, Irons and Martinez. It has been confirmed the current lineup along with Jack Irons and Cliff Martinez will attend/accept and according to drummer Chad Smith, will perform however Frusciante will not attend. Dave Navarro and Jack Sherman, who both played on albums will not attend and Sherman says he wasnt invited (this being due to a history of bad blood between him and Kiedis). Chris Rock will induct the band. There is an article out there stating Klinghoffer will be the youngest ever inducted passing Stevie Wonder, who was originaly the youngest. Jason1978 (talk) 09:51, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is/isn't invited doesn't mean anything when it comes to who will be inducted. Dave Mustaine was invited to Metallica's induction even though he wasn't inducted with the group. -- Scorpion0422 21:33, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Hot Chili Peppers 

message: Just a suggestion, would it be possible to consider adding a section about the history of this... "organization" and/or "business venture" that was co-founded, owned and/or operated by the music mogul Jan Wenner? 
It's history and credibility seem to be just to be a bit on the shady side.
Is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame a non-profit or for profit business?
Is Jan Wenner part or full owner of this business and what is he doing with the proceeds from the mountains of merchandise being sold (t-shirts, DVDs, shot glasses, souvenir baseballs, pins, etc.)?
This place seems to be little more than a road side attraction/tourist trap where he pawns off cheaply made souvenirs on unsuspecting tourists.
This place has already become notorious with having ZERO credibility among fans of Rock and Roll music. The criteria for being "inducted" consists of Mr. Wenner selecting and artist and having an employee hand them a cheaply made trophy at a VERY EXPENSIVE dinner ceremony.
Records sold, charted hits, revenue made, etc. have zero influence in the final say of the inductees.
It would be nice to get to the bottom of this for the record. 
71.55.127.80 (talk) 12:47, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  History & Credibility of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame business venture? 

message: They are missing from the 2014 list, in some fashion.  ````Bigbonesbilly  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigbonesbilly (talk • contribs) 20:17, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The E St Band 

message: Somebody keeps removing Ringo Starr from the 2015 inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He was inducted, he is even listed on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame website as an inductee.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.130.7.66 (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ringo Starr 

message: There's an endnote for the E Street Band (Award for Musical Excellence section) that's not connected to anything. When you click it, it jumps up to the endnote for the Ink Spots in the Early Influences section. --(agnamaracs) (talk) 13:42, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  E Street Band again 

message: Why do the names of the sole artists have their name again unlink. I've tried to edit them but, for some reason, I can't as it comes up like it hasn't been edited. Bob3458 (talk) 21:15, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inductees  

message: I'm reopening a prior discussion in relation to the inclusion of Backing Bands in the general Performers section. I stated before that they were not apart of the general nomination process the Hall does each year. I believe they should be included in their own section, especially considering four years later it;'s clearly not a trend they've continued with. Rusted AutoParts 19:09, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backing Bands 

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message: Idea for future article is combining artists that are in both the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the Country Music Hall of Fame. There are a dozen so far, most recently Ray Charles joining this list. Chris (talk) 23:46, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combined list with Country Music Hall of Fame inductees 

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message: In his induction for musical excellency, his instrument is listed as N/A, when everyone and their grandmas (especially their grandmas) knows he’s one of the best drummers to have lived 2A00:23C4:800:3C00:FDE1:F363:1FE9:5A66 (talk) 23:04, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  He wasn't specifically inducted for being a drummer. The "instrument" section denotes individuals who were inducted in that category when it was called "sidemen". Since it was changed to "Award for Musical Excellence", inductees are not inducted based on their work on a specific instrument, including Starr. Ostensibly, Starr's section induction is also for his solo work.  Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 23:14, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ringo Starr’s Second induction 

message: When sorting the Performers category into alphabetical order, there are two different methods used for bands names especially for acts named "[Lead performer] and the [rest of the band]"
* Sort by the first letter of the band's name: Alice Cooper (band), Booker T. & the M.G.'s, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Little Anthony and the Imperials, Martha and the Vandellas, and Sly and the Family Stone.
* Sort by the first letter of the lead performer's last name: The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, The Dave Clark Five, Elvis Costello & the Attractions, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Gladys Knight & the Pips, Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers, and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers.
I was wondering why two different methods are used? Is the sort by "first letter" method used when the lead performer is using a stage name?  That can't be entirely true as "Elvis Costello" is a stage name for Declan Patrick MacManus but Elvis Costello & the Attractions is sorted under "C" for "Costello".
Is the sort by "last name" method used when the lead performer is using his/her actual name (with the above-mentioned Elvis Costello as the exception to this rule?
I don't have any disagreement with either sorting method, I'm just curious about it.  Mtminchi08 (talk) 01:35, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is more of a Wikipedia-wide thing than just this page. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, on their own page, have a category DEFAULTSORT as "Petty and the Heartbreakers, Tom", same with Gladys Knight & The Pips, who are sorted as "Knight, Gladys and the Pips". Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, meanwhile are listed with DEFAULTSORT as just that. You might be able to find more information in one of the WP:MOS pages, particularly WP:MOSMUSIC.  Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 01:47, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank for the quick response.  This brings back memories of going into different music stores and having to look under both "J" and "H" to locate The Jimi Hendrix Experience!  Mtminchi08 (talk) 02:18, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question re: Alphabetical sorting for bands names especially for acts named "[Lead performer] and the [rest of the band]" 

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message: is the "nominated" list a compete list?  As short as it is it would seem they induct almost every nominee if this is a compete list.  In any case if anyone knows the article should indicate if it is a complete list or not. 2600:1702:3B50:4680:B1CB:2157:4384:EBBF (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is indeed a complete list of artists who were nominated but not inducted. The Hall only nominates a handful of artists each year, many of whom appear on multiple ballots if they are not chosen, and an artist who is nominated multiple times is typically eventually inducted. Hence, the relatively small list of artists who were nominated but not inducted - albeit one that is over 40 artists, and I wouldn't call that short. I added the word complete to that section, although I think it makes that sentence a little ungainly. Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 17:20, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  nominated.. 

message: Mick Jones was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of The Clash in 2003.
Mick Jones will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as a member of Foreigner if that group is included in this year's class of inductees.
There will be two different people named Mick Jones listed as inductees but neither of them will be multiple inductees. We may want to include a mention about this slightly unusual circumstance in the "Individuals inducted twice or more" section, assuming of course that Foreigner is among the inductees in 2024.
Mtminchi08 (talk) 15:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mick Jones 

message: There are now two people named James Taylor in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, James Taylor, the solo artist inducted in 2000 and James "J.T." Taylor of Kool & the Gang who will be inducted in 2024. Similar to the Mick Jones situation noted above, there's two people with the same name but neither is a double inductee.
Mtminchi08 (talk) 23:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Taylor times two