Talk:Scrolls of Abraham

message: As you can see from the edit war, this article needs reliable sources. Case reported to Mediation Cabal. MP   (talk) 10:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The edit war seems to have stopped. But I'll be your mediator. SynergeticMaggot 11:03, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Not a problem. If an edit war starts though, I'll request page protection. That way, no one will edit until its resolved. SynergeticMaggot 11:22, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It appears that the editing has stopped. I've messaged the other user and they havent gotten back to me. I may have to go on a short wikibreak, so I'm going to have to resign as mediator from this case. I'm leaving the case open for you though. Regards. SynergeticMaggot 00:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: This article has now suffered from a severe bout of anon's (or perhaps the same anon using different names ?) adding questionable info. into the article. It looks like vandalism to me. Therefore, I'm going to revert. MP   (talk) 16:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am a Mormon (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints), and we do not beleive we are adopted as children of Abraham.  We believe if individuals are not literal descendents of one of the tribes of Isreal (grandson of Abraham) they are adopted into the tribe of Ephraim (great-grandson of Abraham).  We have never used the honorific talked about in the article in any measure.  Our church sees Abraham as an important individual, because of the covenants made with him by God.  We do not see ourselves a some form of set aside Muslim group.  Someone has been given a real tilted veiw on this subject with regards to the Mormons.EErick 21:35, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article messed up badly 

message: the quran makes no reference to corruption of the word of god, or the scripture. it does state that some have attempted to add to the scripture, example such as the jews who made things unlawful for themselves that god had seen fit as lawful unto them. and mentioning of christians exulting jesus and joining jesus as partner unto god, whom has no partner nor equal.
within the quran there is mention of the scrolls, the scripture, the books, the tablets, the torah and the gospel, the hymns of david. moses is described as recieving the scripture, and so too is jesus described as being taught the scripture, later clarified as complimentary to the torah and gospel though distinct.
hence, one could conclude that it was 'the scripture' that formed the scrolls/books of abraham and moses and that the scripture itself hence still exists as recited by the prophet muhammad and preserved by scribes - this would perhaps be key as to the absence of punctuation.
the gospel presents a record of the confirmation that jesus brought both as the prophesised miracle in the torah to the miracles performed by him. the torah sent down to moses during the plight of the children of israel containing a convenant specific for these people, the torah itself being a miracle as the gospels were, the torah being requested as a proof of truth and validity in regards to the jews making things unlawful for themselves before the torah was revealed.
again we may consider the stories of abraham in his struggles to aquaint with god, testing the 'symbols' that idolators had presented as godly figures such as the sun and the moon, to find god as creator and master over all things. thus abraham was amongst the first to recieve the scripture.
it is assured that all things are recorded and hence although one may not be able to access the 'copy' of the scripture as written on the scrolls of abraham the scripture itself still exists and has again been recited through the prophet muhammad.
there is also reference to the 'guarded tablet' that can be understood to refer to a 'material' object, yet one that cannot be destoyed except by the will of god who can invariably turn mountains to wool or dust, neither can it be corrupted as the scripture is 'engraved' irrevocably from the tablet, that to do so would only be to produce another tablet, that is similar yet contains error and hence is worthy of destruction or purification at the least. it is not to be confused with a superstition, we must bare in mind that god is master over the heavens and the earth and the firmaments and all-kind man and jinn. it is not beyond god to bring into being even the false idols of the idolators, nor raise the dead doubly it certainly is not beyond god to convey parts of the book that are not currently percievable by any man if not also the prophets, such as the letters.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.3.154.152 (talk) 13:58, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  corruption of scripture & translations 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Scrolls of Abraham's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "yusuf":
From Islamic holy books: Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur'an: Text, Translation and Commentary 
From Parable of the Hamlet in Ruins: The Holy Qur'an: Text, Translation and Commentary, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Note. 304: This incident is referred variously;
# to Ezekiel's vision of dry bones ().
# to Nehemiah's visit to Jerusalem in rins after the Captivity, and to its re-building ():  and
# to Uzair, or Ezra, or Esdras, the scribe, priest, and reformer, who was sent by the Persian King after the Captivity to Jerusalem, and about whom there are many Jewish narrations.
As to 2 and 3, there is nothing specific to connect this verse with either.
The wording is perfectly general, and we must understand it as general. I think it does refer not only to individual, but to national, death, and resurrection
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 22:25, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Scrolls of Abraham]]