Talk:British debate over veils

message: I've just been googling the case of Mustaf Jama, and I don't think there's enough (or possibly even any) evidence to support the claim that he escaped Britain wearing a veil.  He was actually arrested in Somalia in 2007 and extradited to Britain for trial.  He denied the veil claim, and the only reports published since then suggest he simply used or modified a friend's passport and walked onto a plane.  The original claim about the veil was speculation, based on an offhand response from a police officer: 
:Asked whether Mustaf Jama had used a full Muslim veil to evade checks, a spokesman for West Yorkshire police said: “It’s a possibility. He could have been wearing a pantomime horse outfit as well. But until we get him, we won’t know for sure."
As far as I can tell, that is the sum total of the evidence supporting the veil claims.  I think it suited a popular point of view at the time, so the press ran with it.  That original quote was (apparently) reported by Reuters, and this is (apparently) the original link, but it no longer works: 
There is some commentary to be found here:  
News articles from after his conviction (in 2009) make little or no mention the veil claim and, when they do, it's to say he denied it.    
I haven't edited wiki before, so I don't want to just dive in.  If anyone thinks this is worth pursuing, let me know and I'll make some edits.  Or feel free to even do it for me!  I think the whole dot-point should just be deleted, but maybe some more context could make it sensible.  I'm also not sure if those blogs are reference-able for wiki.  It's just a pity that the original quote was so poorly reported.  121.45.208.159 (talk) 04:46, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering the media coverage and the political response to it i think it is notable enough to be in this article, however the wording should be changed to balance it in favour of it being an incorrect claim instead of saying ", is believed to have dressed in a niqab in order to flee Britain" and yes the blogs are not reliable sources and can not be used.  Saying something like "In (year) there was media speculation that (name and crime) had fled Britain in a niqab but the home office said it was unlikely and it played no part in the prosecution case and was denied by the suspect." (along those lines, needs better wording).  BritishWatcher (talk) 12:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
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message: I have done some editing to this piece, although less than I think it really needs. The main change is that I have put the views of the Prime Minister and the Mayor of London at the top, rather than below the views of the British National Party and the Socialist Workers Party as they were. The Express poll showed 98 per cent thought a ban on veils would be a good thing (according to the Express), not that 98 per cent supported Straw's contention. To say they supported women "losing the right" to wear veils raises all sorts of issues - better to just use the language used by the Express in citing the newspaper's report imho. Personally I think this section is too long. I appreciate a lot of work that has gone into it and have not cut anything (except the reference to one anoymous woman reportedly shouting something at a meeting). Hobson 01:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: This article's title makes absolutely no sense. British debate over veils would be better. JonChappleTalk 10:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it. JonCTalk 08:22, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
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