Talk:Januarius

message: Joe Nickell, who? The Jackal God 21:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Joe Nickell - leading Skeptic who has written a lot of books and articles debunking strange phenomena. I've added the link to the article. (Emperor 00:55, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that such a minor person's opinion warrants a mention in an article on such a high level patron saint, so I'm removing it. - Gennarous (talk) 13:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Who?

message: I notice that the article says "After intense prayers by the faithful --- including the so-called "relatives of Saint Januarius" (parenti di San Gennaro), the content of the larger vial typically liquefies. " This doesn't state that it is due to prayers by the faithful, but it seems to sort of...gesture towards it. I think whether or not it's POV is debatable, but maybe somebody else can find a better way to put it. I don't feel confident enough to change it. 
Also, a small grammar thing that i may change if nobody else does anything about: "the content of the larger vial typically liquefies". The primary thing here is that I'm confident it should be 'contents' and not 'content'. Contents refer to specific things, and generally anything in a container is referred to as contents, with 'content' being a more general term. And secondary to this, 'liquefies' would be come 'liquefy'. -Indalcecio (talk) 21:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cause of liquefaction very lightly implied?

message: Hi there. I've been reading this article and found out that 26th link in references is invalid. Someone who is in charge of editing the article may want to change in eventually. Greetings, Koliat (talk) 21:37, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The one from the Times of London? It worked for me. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 22:37, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too. Koliat, I'm not sure I know what you mean: note #26 leads to the following news story by Richard Owen, and it appears to still be a valid link: . Which link are you saying is invalid? — AlekJDS talk 22:40, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  26th ref. 

message: I don't see anything in the article about what is happening to the 'blood' at other times during the year. It would seem to be a logical control to see what is happening on say - the 7th of every month of the year.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robfwoods (talk • contribs) 10:01, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how it's exactly necessary, let alone what the Catholic church's interest would be in the public having a more rational appreciation for the miracle. — LlywelynII 00:10, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Times During the Year 

message: It's fine to have a sourced sentence or two outlining that the Catholic church (a) isn't keen on controlled scientific tests and (b) believes in and publicly supports the "miracle" but (per  and ) it's completely inappropriate to have two massively blockquotes from partisan religious figures filling up the page with unsupported claims that their "evidence" (left unspecified and unsourced) is incontrovertible. I'm fine with paring back everything to the first sentence of that section; if we're keeping those pull quotes, we should add some other voices:
----
----
----
* .
* .
That’s more fair-minded and impartial than what we have in the article right now. (And much more informative and entertaining.) If we're just including that section to illustrate Catholic bias, we should also present the thoughts of outside observers, of which Addison's is undoubtably one of the most famous. — LlywelynII 00:10, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV & the huge quotes from inexpert Catholic saints and cardinals

message: Eh... it's nice that he wrote something about the guy, but this probably needs to be forked out into its own section, tacked onto the Gay Science article instead, or turned into a literary legacy section with a shorter treatment of Nietzsche and more treatment of other writers who have mentioned the saint or his rituals. — LlywelynII 01:33, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: UNDUE & Nietzsche

message: There seem to be some problems with source 36 and 37. Note that both of these sources are in Italian and I'm not fluent in Italian, so it is possible that I misread something. That being said, source 36 does not say that "the Camaldoli relic also contains blood that can change its solid-liquid phase by shaking." It says that the Camaldoli relic also contains blood that can change its solid-liquid phase by shaking and chemical extraction of the calcium. 
Source 37 does not exist anymore. I was able to find it via the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20100207131254/http://www.positanonews.it/articoli/33495/miracolo_di_san_gennaro_un_test_dimostrache_nellampolla_ce_sangue_umano.html 
It has the same problem - in order to liquify the blood, other compounds had to be added. This applies both to the old ampule and to Professor Geraci's own blood. Even if this was not the case, it seems to refer to the phenomenon discussed earlier in the wiki article - blood, once coagulated, can be made liquid, but it does not then return to a solid state. Professor Geraci closes the article in source 37 by saying, "It is not enough to attribute to the movement the ability to dissolve the blood, the liquid contained in the treasure hull changes state for reasons still to be identified." 
In short, I'm not sure why the claims related to these sources are presented in the way they are and I'm not sure how to notate citation 37 to indicate that the article no longer exists at that location but can be found using the Wayback Machine. I'd appreciate assistance from more experienced editors with both of these issues. I will not be making any edits to the main article at this time. 
Warr40 (talk) 23:49, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 36 and 37 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Januarius. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090717034928/http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_06_3_epstein.pdf to http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_06_3_epstein.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070218194514/http://www.fatemag.com/issues/2000s/2006-07article3a.html to http://fatemag.com/issues/2000s/2006-07article3a.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 06:51, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Januarius. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20091106143025/http://www.ancientlibrary.com/smith-bio/3617.html to http://www.ancientlibrary.com/smith-bio/3617.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110108021224/http://www.luigigarlaschelli.it/Other%20Pubbl/SProd.Ch.Ind.html to http://www.luigigarlaschelli.it/Other%20Pubbl/SProd.Ch.Ind.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 14:58, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I replaced the original link in Source 37 with an archived version because the original link was broken, I had mentioned a while ago on the talk page. 
https://web.archive.org/web/20100207131254/http://www.positanonews.it/articoli/33495/miracolo_di_san_gennaro_un_test_dimostrache_nellampolla_ce_sangue_umano.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warr40 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 37 Archived Version