Talk:Dov Lior

message: :: You write: 'Shahak is not a reliable source, he was a chemistry professor who wrote anti-Jewish polemics', and advise me to find the original material. With regard to the second request, you are asking me to violate wiki policy, which is opposed to 'original research'.
::As regards the first point, this is a judgement, I presume based on the wikipedia article on Shahak, since it shows no familiarity with his writings, but only with hearsay by critics who disagreed with him, mainly on hearsay. It is immaterial, in judging Shahak's essays and books, whether he was a chemist or a phlebotomist or whatever. Secondly, he did not write, 'anti-Jewish polemics': I take that to be  your personal judgement, and would be interested to know on what basis you arrived at it? He wrote many essays against a variety of movements within Israel's political groupings which he thought a danger to the healthy development of a modern state. You, or I, might well disagree on this, but that is not relevant. As a strong source (he quotes his newspaper sources with author and date) for material on religious movements, he comes within the wiki rules, which were formulated to stop airheads from opinionizing about things without regard to verifiable and reliable criteria, not to censor sources by eminent figures in the public domain who happen to be controversial.RegardsNishidani 06:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shahak

message: So he remarried a dozen years before his first wife died? Arbeit Sockenpuppe 22:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remarriage 

message: According to Wikipedia:Manual of style (dates and numbers), dates in Wikipedia articles should always use the Gregorian/Julian calendars, with other calendar systems used in addition to the Gregorian dates but not in place of them. Hence, the dates in this article, currently given in the Hebrew calendar, should be given in Common Era notation as well. Unfortunately, I can't change them myself as each Hebrew year corresponds to two Gregorian years; e.g., it says that Lior was married in 5720, but I don't know if that was in 1959 or 1960. Could someone who knows the details of this man's life please add in the clarified CE dates? Terraxos (talk) 16:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates in this article 

message: I've deleted a rant which breaks WP:BLP. Here is a link to an article reporting what happened. "When our enemies hold a baby in one hand and shoot at us with the other," announces Lior, "or when they purposely position missile launchers in the midst of civilian populations, we are obligated to act according to Jewish morality which dictates that 'he who gets up to kill you, get up yourself and kill him first.' This has been distorted to suggest he said it was ok to kill Gentiles while what he really said is quite different. We should only use reliable sources and should not comment on them ourselves. Dougweller (talk) 09:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments made about civilian deaths 

message: Does anyone have a source for where Lior lives? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:14, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Lior live in an Israeli settlement? 

message: As far as I can see, all versions of this fought-over article are pretty poor.  This is a controversial living person whose article has to be carefully written according to the best sources.  We shouldn't be quoting al-Jazeera, even though that might be fine for many other things, but neither should we be censoring the controversy like Dwaldman is trying to do.  Look at this for example: "after writing a short forward to a Jewish law book of another Rabbi".  This is useless writing.  What book is being referred to here and why would it interest the police?  To see the sort of things Lior is associated with, read this opinion piece Haaretz.  I think it is too polemical to serve as a source for the article, but most of the factual claims in there can be sourced without too much difficulty. Zerotalk 11:19, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  State of this article