Talk:Kuala Lumpur/Archive 1

message: AFAIK Kuala Lumpur remains the official capital of Malaysia, even though some administrative functions have been shifted to Putrajaya.  See . Jpatokal 04:09, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: KL vs Putrajaya

message: The city is incomplete without mentioning any of the above. 
Sltan 06:25, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economic, cultural, human resource, demographic, etc 

message: Do we need to list down the hotel and rate it? If we do that, as what the page currently does, we risk to sound like a travel page. Other cities' page, like NY may provide a good template for this page. __earth 18:10, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
: No, we don't, that's what Wikitravel is for.  I have brutally deleted all non-encyclopedic listings. Jpatokal 03:06, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Hotel

message: Do we really need KL's name in Jawi?  Bandar Seri Begawan I could understand, but Jawi is not an official script anywhere in Malaysia, certainly not in the Wilayat Persekutuan KL. Jpatokal 16:34, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And again. Mr Tan's latest edit also breaks "Lumpur" at least on my browser. Discussion, please, or I'll remove it. Jpatokal 09:20, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Jawi

message: I have removed the entire following section:
: Kuala Lumpur is one of the cheapest places to travel to, offering great value for money. Accommodation is extremely cheap and is of excellent quality; 5 star hotels have rooms going for US$40-100. Food is extremely cheap if one frequents the local outlets (hawker stalls, roadside places and the like) and is nothing short of delicious. There are upmarket restaurants all over central Kuala Lumpur and in the more affluent suburbs, offering fare ranging from cutting edge avant-garde fusion, to representatives of just about any culture imaginable. Japanese food has gained immense popularity. Alcohol, however, is very expensive in Kuala Lumpur, due to Malaysia being a predominantly Muslim country (Islam prohibits the consumption of alcohol, but non-Muslims are free to consume alcohol) and the bars are not a big part of the social scene, although they are extremely popular with the affluent and expatriates. 
: Kuala Lumpur has a vibrant nightlife, concentrated in three places; the first being the City Centre (specifically, the Golden Triangle area), the second being the posh district of Bangsar (near the Mid Valley Megamall) and the third being the up and coming swanky district of Seri Hartamas/Mont Kiara. In the Golden Triangle area, there is a myriad of chain restaurants, stores and shopping boutiques as well as a slew of nightclubs and bars. Nuovo and Sangria are interesting clubs to check out. 
: Jalan Tunku Abdul Rahman and Jalan Bukit Bintang are both shopping streets with many shops and malls. Recently, Jalan Bukit Bintang has undergone massive redevelopment, making it more pedestrian friendly aesthetically pleasing.
: Interestingly, there is an enclave in the city centre where there exists a traditional Malay village (Kampung Baru, a stop on the Putra line LRT), where traditional Malay culture is very much alive.
: Posh residential districts include Taman Tun Dr. Ismail, Seri Hartamas/Mont Kiara, Bangsar, Tropicana, Ampang and Kenny Hill.
This is not NPOV and it's not encyclopedic.  The writer is invited to contribute to Wikitravel instead (although even there the hyperbole should be toned down a little...). Jpatokal 16:00, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tourist hype removed 

message: I have to agree with the previous poster, it seems the association of Dataran Merdeka/Independence Square with the actual declaration of independence, as writen in the tourist destinations section, is inaccurate (but the site is more significant for the lowering of the Union Jack flag on the start of 31st August, 1957). What's more confusing is the mention of it taking place in Stadium Merdeka in another area of the article.
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If that is the case, it's easy to see how the error arises. I certainly understood this sign to mean that this was where the declaration of independence took place, although I now recall that there is a photo in the National History Museum (not far from this sign) of the Tunku declaring independence at a rally in a stadium. Adam 13:33, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dataran Merdeka & Stadium Merdeka 

message: Right, this may be off topic (It's in the info bar about Kuala Lumpur (KL); look at the UTC. It's related to that) but through calculation and some guidance from a book, I found out that the Mean Kuala Lumpur Time is UTC +06:46:48. This link, http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/teaching/timezone.html shows that UTC +07:00 applies at 105 degrees while KL (as stated) is at 101 degrees 42 minutes. Multiply the difference by 4 to get the correction in minutes.
   Degrees   Minutes
     105       00
  -  101       42
    ----------------
       3       18
    ================
   Convert 18/60 to decimal:
  
      18 / 6  =  3
      --      = --
      60 / 6  = 10
    This will make a difference of 3.3 Degrees.
    Multiply them by 4:
      1
      3.3 degrees
     x  4
     ----
     13.2 minutes
     ====
  Which then equals to 13:12 Minutes.
   H  : M  : S
   07 : 00 : 00
  -00 : 13 : 12
  --------------
   06 : 46 : 48
  ==============
So there you have it. Again, sorry for being so off topic here. The admistrators may have to shift this thing to either UTC, solar time, or whatever article if this becomes a nuisance here. I've even added the mean KL time to the article.--218.208.235.249 02:07, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mean Kuala Lumpur Time? (Maybe for the enthusiasts) 

message: Kuala Lumpur is Wikitravel's Destination of the Month for January 2006, so please consider hopping over and contributing.  (Please also note that Wikitravel is not a Wikimedia Foundation project and its CC by-sa license is not compatible with GFDL, so no direct cut'n'pastes from here please.) Jpatokal 07:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  KL is Wikitravel's Destination of the Month 

message: is that list real? I'm sorry but I don't trust and unable to form good faith on user:Aiman abmajid's edit and tend to view almost all of his edit as incredible and useless. __earth (Talk) 03:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sister cities 

message: I've redone the infobox using :Template:Infobox City. The previous one looks messy. __earth (Talk) 15:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers. Splashprince 02:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: Calling all Malaysian Wikipedians around the world!! It is high time for us to start our own WikiProject for Malaysia..any one can create/assiting me to create WikiProject Malaysia?Marcusaffleck 11:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Malaysia 

message: This article is quite messy at the moment. topics such as sports should include discussion on sporting facilities which are covered in another section. The "Places of interest" section is also written in an inappropriate tone. Is anyone up to reorganizing this article to improve it?Wai Hong 11:37, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization 

message: Upon its review on November 3, 2007, this good article nomination was quick-failed because it:
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thus making it ineligible for good article consideration.
This article did not receive a thorough review, and may not meet other parts of the good article criteria.  The "tone" cleanup tag under "Places of interest" has been there since before the nomination. I encourage you to remedy this problem (and any others) and resubmit it for consideration.  If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to have it reassessed.  Thank you for your work so far.— Cheers, CP 15:48, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed "good article" nomination

message: According to WP:EL, "Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject" should be avoided:
*ITIS Kuala Lumpur
*Asia's Top Ten Cities
"Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain" applies to the following, because we've already got the geolinks map resource template:
*Collection of static maps of Kuala Lumpur
*vectordesigns integrated KL public transport maps
And Wikitravel was linked to twice, so I nuked the one outside the External links section. Jpatokal 03:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link relevance 

message: What language was the pronunciation supposed to be for? It wasn't Malay or English. I just want to make sure I haven't missed anything. kwami 06:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly im quite new to IPA, so forgive me. I put "kwɑlɑ lʊmpʊ" as i think this is the proper Malay (bahasa baku) pronunciation, and i put "kwɑlə lʊmpɒ" as i think this is how KL ppl pronounce it. This might be a bit inaccurate and/pr pov'd. As far as i know only non-malaysians (eg British ppl) pronounce it "kwɑːləlʊmˈpʊər", in particular the last syllable. I never heard Malaysian pronounce it that way. Sorry i cant provide source, only through personal experience. But if this en.wikipedia require us to insert the normal pronounciation made by native English speakers (Briton, American, etc.), i guess "kwɑːləlʊmˈpʊər" is fine. kawaputratorque 05:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A Malay pronunciation is fine, but it needs to be specified as Malay. We don't need English, but without disambiguation it's assumed that any pronunciation is English. It's been ages since I've been to Malaysia, and I never did go to KL, so I'm pretty useless here. Let's put your 1st version back in, and if it's inaccurate, someone else can correct it. But the [ɒ] is your 2nd version is a very unusual sound, and not many languages other than some dialects of English have it, so I kinda doubt that part's correct. kwami 08:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh ya. I heard the sample sound in Open back rounded vowel. I think thats not what i had in mind. Sorry. I was looking for something similar to the sound of "war" or "bore". But im not sure which symbol that is. kawaputratorque 14:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like ? The IPA link is to a key that in turn links to sound files. kwami 01:34, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ya, i think its like that. I might put it back in if its okay to include the pronunciation made by KL-lites because of their accent. An extreme version of it, ive heard is: /kɔlɔmpɔ/ :0 kawaputratorque 03:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. People do have an interest as to how the natives pronounce their cities. "Toronto" comes out  sometimes. kwami 08:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation 

message: I think this article need more detail and elaboration, since because I m currently live here in Kuala Lumpur. Nevertheless, I want to consider this article to be expanded. In addition, this article doesn't have a source statement and lack of style editing. Any further comment anyone like to make in this discussion section? — Imran Al-Sahih 06:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are free to contribute to the article, within the guidelines provided by Wikipedia. __earth (Talk) 11:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More detail and elaboration needed about [[Kuala Lumpur]], because it is a very internationalised city. 

message: KLite is informally used among the people. How should we get citations for it. I have got one, but it's not from an authority. Nevertheless, it is a proof that KLite is really used a term.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhching (talk • contribs) 13:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Usually NST will have these kind of terms. Look out for these news! Jannisri 15:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Will try to find, thanks for the suggestion. Mhching 06:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation for the use of the term KLite 

message: This section seems inappropriate: WP:NOT#TRAVEL. Any idea what should we do with it? I suggest we just summarize and mention a few (5-10) notable sites. And/or re-title it to: Landmarks. The rest we can just export it to wikitravel's article on KL. kawaputratorque 16:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After reviewing other cities like Tokyo, Los Angles, New York City and Paris, we either could go with cityscapes (talk about architecture, landmarks , parks and maybe shopping) or tourism (a separate article discussing about the things in kl). On the first option, we can combine with the architecture section. what say you? --erwinkarim (talk) 06:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ya, using "Cityscapes" sounds good, and putting architecture under this title also good. We could follow New York's style since its a featured article and other cities with featured status. kawaputratorque 17:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Section needing cleanup - Places of interest

message: What do you all think about this new arrangement. I also think that there should not be a gallery since most featured article doesnt have one and i think it doesnt help improve the quality of the article:
1) History
2) Geography
* Climate
3) Demographics (remove subheadings and separate "education")
4) Governance (Mayors of KL) 
5) Economy 
6) Cityscape
* Landmarks (take some from "Places of interest")
* Architecture
7) Culture 
* Arts
* Media (includes "KL in popular culture")
* Sports and recreation
* Tourism (take some from "Places of interest")
* Shopping (?)
8) Education 
9) Transportation 
* Land
* Air
* Public transportation
10) Sister cities 
11) References 
12) External links
kawaputratorque 03:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i agree w/ the arrangement, but i'm not sure about the shopping section. should it be in economy too? architecture? who knows...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erwinkarim (talk • contribs) 00:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have done the rearrangement. I have not deleted shopping and gallery though. The landmark section has to be cleaned up to make it less like a travel guide. I also did not make the tourism section. Some things i removed from "Places of interest" are below. Mainly because these places are not in KL:
*:Image:Sepang.JPG
*About 25 kilometres west of Kuala Lumpur is the city of Shah Alam, site of the famous Sultan Salahuddin Abdul Aziz Mosque, and 10 kilometres away from Shah Alam (35 kilometres away from Kuala Lumpur) is the town of Klang, famed for its seafood and Bah Kut Teh.
*Genting Highlands is a hill top resort near Kuala Lumpur, famous for its casino, and Theme Parks. This is visible from Kuala Lumpur downtown on a clear day and as well on most nights. Dubbed the "City of Entertainment", it is one of Malaysia's most visited tourist attraction. 
*Putrajaya, new federal administration centre. This is a modern futuristic looking township that houses all government ministries. The administrative buildings have been built on either side of a long road - in a manner stated to be modelled after the National Mall in Washington DC. At one end of this driveway is the Prime Minister's office and at the other end is a convention centre.
*Sepang International Circuit is a racing circuit located in the outskirts of the city, near the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA). It has been hosting Formula One's Malaysian Grand Prix since 1999.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kawaputra (talk • contribs) 08:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New section arrangement

message: To facilate readers, I would like to integerate all articles relating Public Transporation in Kuala lumpur to Transportation in Kuala Lumpur. I dont mean merger of all these articles. Example:
===Bus===
::RapidKL
RapidKL is also the largest bus operator in the Klang Valley. Currently, there are 98 stage ......
::Metrobus
Metrobus Nationwide is a private owned public transport company in the Klang Valley that was formed ...
Do refer Transportation in New York City for template
Those pages are:
*RapidKL
*Rapid KL Buses
*RapidKL Rail
*Metrobus Nationwide
*KL Sentral
*Ampang Line
*Kelana Jaya Line
*Kuala Lumpur Mini-Bus Service
*Sri Petaling Line
*KTM Komuter
*KLIA Ekspres
*KLIA Transit
*Public transport in Kuala Lumpur
*Rail transport in Malaysia  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jannisri (talk • contribs) 14:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do u mean u want to change the title of Public transport in Kuala Lumpur to Transportation in Kuala Lumpur? I think thats fine by me. But if u want to create a separate article, maybe thats not necessary. Cos, even NYC doesnt have an article called Public transport in New York City. Most cities either have one or the other, eg: Public transport in Wellington. In Transport in Melbourne they include public transport under the article. Hmm, but Auckland has 2 separate articles: Transport in Auckland, Public transport in Auckland. I dunno la. Better ask the other editors here or at Talk:Public transport in Kuala Lumpur. kawaputratorque 07:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

text: At present, i think we still stick to 2 different articles, but when it is needed, it will be merged.Jannisri (talk) 14:09, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public Transporation articles integeration  

message: ::RapidKL
RapidKL is also the largest bus operator in the Klang Valley. Currently, there are 98 stage ......
::Metrobus
Metrobus Nationwide is a private owned public transport company in the Klang Valley that was formed ...
Do refer Transportation in New York City for template
Those pages are:
*RapidKL
*Rapid KL Buses
*RapidKL Rail
*Metrobus Nationwide
*KL Sentral
*Ampang Line
*Kelana Jaya Line
*Kuala Lumpur Mini-Bus Service
*Sri Petaling Line
*KTM Komuter
*KLIA Ekspres
*KLIA Transit
*Public transport in Kuala Lumpur
*Rail transport in Malaysia  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jannisri (talk • contribs) 14:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do u mean u want to change the title of Public transport in Kuala Lumpur to Transportation in Kuala Lumpur? I think thats fine by me. But if u want to create a separate article, maybe thats not necessary. Cos, even NYC doesnt have an article called Public transport in New York City. Most cities either have one or the other, eg: Public transport in Wellington. In Transport in Melbourne they include public transport under the article. Hmm, but Auckland has 2 separate articles: Transport in Auckland, Public transport in Auckland. I dunno la. Better ask the other editors here or at Talk:Public transport in Kuala Lumpur. kawaputratorque 07:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

text: At present, i think we still stick to 2 different articles, but when it is needed, it will be merged.Jannisri (talk) 14:09, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bus

message: Looks like the page has improved by leaps and bounds since December 1, 2007. We've cleared up the "Places of Interests" section, cut down the number of images in the gallery and integrated it in the article, broken up sections into separate articles, convert lists into prose, create wikilinks, other general cleanups, and best of all increased sources from a mere 11 (13 footnotes) to 55 (70 footnotes). It would be great if we can get 100 sources. See previous version: Dec 1, and current version: current version. I think if we keep up the pace we could at least manage to get a GA rating, or even better, an FA rating by the end of the month. Try see articles from Wikipedia:Good articles#Geography and places and Wikipedia:Featured articles#Geography and places, to get an idea how a good article looks like. Great job pplz! kawaputratorque 05:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progress on this page 

message: The article says there are 6 zones in KL. I'm unsure where does that fact comes from because parliamentary-wise, there are 11 constituencies. Thus, I've requested for citation for that particular section. __earth (Talk) 10:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  zone of kl 

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message: Hello, I will be reviewing this article for its GA candidancy. The good news is that so far this article passes the quick fail criteria, so a full review is forthcoming. Thanks, and good luck! FamicomJL (talk) 06:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:Fair representation without bias: 
#It is stable.
#:No edit wars etc.: 
#It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
#:a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 
#Overall: 
#:Pass/Fail: 
Congratulations! This article totally passes, no complaints at all for me! This might even be Featured Article ready. Good work by everyone! FamicomJL (talk) 21:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks taking the time to review it. Im sure we are all very pleased with this result. :D kawaputratorque 11:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA review 

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
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#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
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#It is stable.
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#Overall: 
#:Pass/Fail: 
Congratulations! This article totally passes, no complaints at all for me! This might even be Featured Article ready. Good work by everyone! FamicomJL (talk) 21:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks taking the time to review it. Im sure we are all very pleased with this result. :D kawaputratorque 11:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Passed!

message: I found this statement inaccurate:-
Damansara area in the north-west of Kuala Lumpur...
Damansara is not in KL. It is in the Petaling district of SelangorSyedhusni (talk) 06:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Damansara Utama, D'sara Jaya, Bandar Sri D'sara, etc are part of Petaling district Selangor. So the sentence perhaps should be rewritten, to indicate that One U, Ikea, are not in KL, but within Greater KL in S'gor. However, just to note, some parts of D'sara are actually in KL, eg: Pusat Bandar D'sara, D'sara Heights, Sri Hartamas, etc. kawaputratorque 05:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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message: Congratulations on the Good Article status. However, there remain several sentences with incorrect grammar, with more sentences exhibiting awkward phrasing. I will correct what I have found, as my schedule and editing capabilities permit.  Regardless, I do urge the primary editor(s) to request a review of the article from an experienced copyeditor of their choice, or from the League of Copyeditors. The issue detracts from the reading experience of an otherwise excellent article, but detailed copyediting sessions should clear up the problem. -- Michael Devore (talk) 23:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A request has been made to the LOCE. Thanks for the useful comments. kawaputratorque 06:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article copy has significantly improved in the past few weeks since my comment. Good work. -- Michael Devore (talk) 23:41, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar and sentence structure