Talk:Lydia Koidula

message: "Keep it simple, stupid"? It does not mean misleadingly simple. Please comment your rationale because the current shape of that sentence you keep messing with was made in cooperation and discussion of many editors.--Alexia Death 18:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Petri, where the hell are you pulling such theories? At that time both Estonian and Livonian governates were fully dominated by Baltic Germans, local people Estonians and Latvians did not have any power at all and for them difference between governates was irrelevant. Whole point of Estonian national awakening was realizing that Estonian ancestry is not something that intelligent people should be ashamed of. It was to realize that Estonian language is not only language of uneducated peasants that all educated people should avoid. Your alternative history(im quite generous as it could be also described with more colourful words) about territorial claims is totally ridiculous. Issue of uniting Estonian speaking areas into one governate rised only in 20th century then Estonians had already their own political parties and they had started to compete with Germans and Russians for local power.--Staberinde 21:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you're wrong.  (Maybe we need a Category:Petri Krohn's misconceptions.)  The primary aim of Estonian national awakening was development of Estonian culture as distinct from the ruling Germanic culture, and later, political independence from both external rulers, both Russian and German.  No "unification" was necessary, or discussed much, before the time came to actually proclaim the Republic.  The geographic Estonia had been a single ethnopolitic entity for centuries, and the inter-governorate border was insignificant for all partial purposes. Digwuren 17:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Livonia ceased to exist atleast two hundred years before Lydia was born, thanks to the Swedes. Your contention that Lydia was born there is just plain wrong. --Martintg 19:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the story of disappearance of Livonia -- tied to disappearance of the Livonians -- is more complicated.  Still, Petri Krohn is merely trying to portrait Estonians as invading and annexing a part of a hypothetical "Livonian state" to satisfy their imperial desires to form a "Great Estonia" out of what, by now, can only be explained as malicious hatred of all things Estonian.  It goes without saying that such a notion is incorrect. Digwuren 17:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Please state clearly what are you disputing. That it is clearer in clarification of territory to use modern references? It has been made clear that the land was run through a different governorate. The rest is  WP:UNDUE unless in specif context of unification. It is a bibliography, not an article about the whole historic period. And IMHO,  is way exaggerated in a wording debate! --Alexia Death 19:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Ive removed the tag. If someone else besides Petri Krohn restores it I wont take it off again. If its Petri that restores it, if he does not explain, im going to remove it again.--Alexia Death 19:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: According to my history teacher and Jaan Kross, Koidula had a knack for silwerware.
Fyi... 194.192.22.33 (talk) 08:33, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lydia was a kleptomaniac 

message: This article has been improved (references) on the CEE Spring Women 2018 action.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klarqa (talk • contribs) 16:08, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
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