Talk:Coney Island

message: The demographics section states: "Once home to many Jewish residents, Coney Island's main population groups today are African American, Italian American, Hispanic, and recent Russian and Ukrainian immigrants."
This suggests that the area is no longer "home to many Jewish residents." But in reality, a large portion of the Russian and Ukrainian immigrant community here is actually Jewish. This should be fixed. 67.87.217.163 (talk) 00:32, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: "Once home to many Jewish resident"

message: An anon, in good faith, believes that Coney Island is named after the island of the same name in Ireland. He cites a PBS story.
First, PBS is not famed for doing a very thorough job on local history. Their primary source for this claim is a 1924 "document." They don't state what the "document" is, but it is ill placed to "prove" anything about the name of Coney Island. Also, the article gives a bunch of explanations, they just end with the Irish island one because apparently that is the most colorful. I am altering the claim to accurately reflect the contents of the article. The bald claim that the other explanations are wrong and it is named after the Irish Coney Island is unsupportable. -- Cecropia 06:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction: the 1924 "document" is for a different claim, that Coney is named for a "Konoh (Bear) Tribe." The claim that it is named for the Irish Island is a popular legend in Sligo, Ireland, where "that" Coney Island is, and the claim is from an article in the local newspaper. -- Cecropia 16:51, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole section on the name is poorly structured and frequently repetitive. It could do with a thorough re-write. (I know, I know. When I get the time...) -- Picapica (talk) 10:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

text: In Irish 'coinín' (kun een) is the word used for a rabbit. 86.45.134.138 (talk) 22:32, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of Coney Island 

message: This article needs a clean up and an NPOV check. A quick run through found NPOV statements such as "Coney Island's excellent and sun-drenched beach remains a major attraction." Páll (Die pienk olifant) 09:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like most of the POV has been taken care of by now.  Useight 06:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up and NPOV 

message: The section on bumper cars is pretty rediculous and not encyclopedic at all.  I would clean it up, but I don't even know where to start.  Someone should have a look at it.   Papercrab 21:41, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tackled it. It was complete POV and sexist to boot. I only edited the amusements section though; I couldn't figure out how to work with the rest. DanielEng 18:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bumper Cars 

message: Although I am not sure that this isn't better left as its own article, if the consensus was that it be merged here I don't have a problem with that - I'll do it, so the information they gathered isn't lost, and if further discussion here results in not wanting it in this article, it can easily be removed.  Oddly enough, I live in NY and have no recollection of this accident, from just last year. Tvoz 22:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine with me - I didn't think it belonged here anyway, as per above. But the proposed merge and deletion was  talking about a separate article for the COney crash which we were asked to merge here - I don't see an article named Aviation accidents and incidents in 2005 but maybe the name is slightly different.    Tvoz | talk 23:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: An accident article should not be merged with an amusement park article.  The categories in which these articles naturally belong are different.  Hmains 19:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Coney Island plane crash

message: Just out of curiosity, how is Coney Island formerly an island as I am guessing that it wasn't dragged by ships to be attached to the mainland. Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question but I am from Britain not the USA so we're not really knowledgable about specific areas of the US.
Thanks v. much in advance! --Xsamix 17:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was filled.  Gravesend Bay and Sheepshead Bay were once joined by a channel, now filled in.  Several former small islands in New York including Furman and Belmont Islands had garbage, earth and other filler material dumped into the waterway, and built over.  Randalls Island and Wards Island still have separate names, but are no longer physically separated.  Do some British cities have similar former islands?  Jim.henderson 18:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that answer, Jim!  It would be great to move this information to the main body of the article if it can be sourced.  -Armaced (talk) 18:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peninsula 

message: Where is it?  I was there this past weekend and didn't see it, but it is very possible that I missed it.  Astroland wasn't even open yet, though Deno's was.  --Scottandrewhutchins 15:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Found, visited, and written up on Wikipedia. --Scottandrewhutchins 19:51, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ghost Hole]]

message: Goodness, this has become a big article for such a small part of Brooklyn, though the material is mostly worthy.  See WP:SIZE.  Perhaps the time has come to make a separate article of the long section about controveries of the future.  Jim.henderson 17:47, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Size

message: The first paragraph of the lead is about geography and is neat and precise.  The second is about the glorious past of the proprietary amusement parks, and how baseball is what's important about the present.  This presentation is unbalanced since, as the body of the article says, there's plenty else to do at Coney and always has been.  Better, seems to me, to halve what the lead says about baseball, and add a sentence or two to hint at the other attractions that are detailed in the various sections.  Jim.henderson 17:47, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Balanced lead

message: The article has a flag on an unsourced and undated quote from a NYTimes article about the development situation. A Google news search shows that things have moved on from the developer's drawings mentioned in the article. Does anyone else want to do a rewrite of this section? Lots of articles out there since this is the end of the season, particularly http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0735,demause,77638,2.html and http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nycone295350481aug29,0,2384713.story. --Tinned Elk 00:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article update of current development 

message: What about the Elephant? http://www.mmcsl.net/coney/html/page009.htm Jooler 23:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Elephant

message: Bruce Springsteen's "Tunnel Of Love" song video has Coney Island amusements/shore in it I believe...or else some other amusement park.  Verification needed.76.17.252.73 (talk) 01:34, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: No mention of handball? I don't know if handball started here BUT it was DEFINITLEY popularized and mastered here. Coney Island is the mecca of handball and there is no mention of it.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.75.120 (talk) 17:02, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Handball

message: Does the :Image:Animatronic depiction of waterboarding from Coney Island.jpg merit mention in this article?  Geo Swan (talk) 14:58, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is interesting but I don't really think it needs to be mentioned here. This article is way too long already.Flyte35 (talk) 17:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  question... 

message: removed re Wikipedia:Trivia sections--Work permit (talk) 05:28, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  videos 

message: I split the development section into a new article, and summarized it here.  I think the summary I wrote needs to be made shorter still.  --Work permit (talk) 02:47, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: I reiterate my suggestion for a split of the chapter Coney Island in popular culture onto it's own page. ----DanTD (talk) 17:28, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm supportive, but I think the list would need to be made into prose.  Also, references would need to be added.  Otherwise, the split off article would (or should) end up being deleted.  In which case, you might as well just delete the content now.  The content would still be in the history buffer, so it could be used as a template for a new article when/if someone is willing to put in the time.--Work permit (talk) 17:32, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for adding references. The only question is where to start. ----DanTD (talk) 18:01, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: One way is to start is trying a google book search on a phrase for a really notable entry.  For example, I tried a search for coney+island+woody+allen.  Here is the result .  You notice the first book's entry has as a header "coney island at the movies".  That sounds promising.  Here is the resulting entry in the book . You'll see that you can weave a number of movie entries into prose, using this one reference.  Then and build up the article from there.  And of course, throw out any etries that wind up too "trivial" to mention.--Work permit (talk) 18:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I was considering IMDb for the movie section, but those are goo too. ----DanTD (talk) 18:53, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDB really won't be very useful here.  You're looking for references that cite coney island as a notable feature in a movie, song, etc.  IMDB is ok for information on casts and directors, but not really useful or reliable for content.  You may want to take a look at  this thread on citing IMDB.  If this task is really daunting, you could start small.  Delete the trivia content in the article (don't forget, its still in the history buffer), build up a new section using references such as the book (and refering back to the deleted content).  Then, when the section is in good shape, split it off into a new article.  Or, work in pieces, cutting out subsections and working up from there.  In any event, you'll really need to make this into prose.  The current "list" format is useless and probably should be deleted.--Work permit (talk) 20:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I hate to tell you this, but the first link isn't showing up anymore. ----DanTD (talk) 14:49, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another split(Popular culture) 

message: I'm going to start populating this section with references, if you're willing to spin it into prose
*--Work permit (talk) 23:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Coney Island References

message: From the current article: "Coney Island still maintains a broad sandy beach from West 37th Street at Seagate through the Coney Island and Brighton Beach to the beginning of the community of Manhattan Beach, a distance of approximately 2½ miles (~4.0 km)." This does not parse. - Jmabel | Talk 16:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incoherent wording 

message: Currently sifting through "Some yeares travels into divers parts of Asia and Afrique" by Sir Thomas Herbert (written in 1638 about journeys undertaken in 1626). There is some text where Herbert is describing their approaching the island thus:
:"...we let fall our Anchor (14 leagues ſhort of the Bay of Soldania) and went a ſhore upon a little Ile (3 miles round) corruptly call'd Cony Ile, from the Welſh cain-yne or white Ile, where we kill'd many Conies (or Cats rather)..."
This predates the 1690 map mentioned by over 50 years.
I'm not suggesting it's factually accurate, but it's worth investigating, no? 
I'm usually a Witionary editor, but I thought this was worth mentioning here. Je-crockford (talk) 02:56, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. However is he writing about North America here? The title of the work you're referencing says only Africa & Asia. Additionally, Soldania redirects to a bay in South Africa...--Ashanda (talk) 23:45, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's very true, in which case I'm struggling to find any islands surrounding South Africa which would have previously been referred to as "Cony Ile". Jakeybean (talk) 17:56, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Upon inspection of Google Maps it appears to be referring to Dassen Island. I'll proceed to move the discussion there. Jakeybean (talk) 18:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New etymology 

message: The split is made. I finally added Coney Island in popular culture onto it's own page. Make whatever changes are necessary. ----DanTD (talk) 14:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coney Island in Popular Culture 

message: Here is a map:
*http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/11/17/realestate/19livi_map_ready.html
*http://www.webcitation.org/6BRIHH0ID
*http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/11/17/realestate/19livi.map.L.jpg
*http://www.webcitation.org/6BRIG35TR
WhisperToMe (talk) 19:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Map

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message: I believe this is the document referred to. The idea of "a gun, a blanket, and a kettle" appears to be quite apocryphal.--Pharos (talk) 06:20, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
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