Talk:Dublin/Archive 1

message: I changed the link Penny Ha'Penny to Ha'penny based on Google searches that indicated the latter. There was an already an existing page for that, so I liked to it. -- Decumanus 06:15, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits

message: IMHO, The History section seems a little too focused on Architecture. There's more to Dublin than its buildings. Seabhcan 13:57, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: have moved history to History of Dublin Djegan 19:48, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

text: I agree. I've often thought that this "coincidental fact" had little place in this article - Largely because I thought the "coincidence" was not notable. Now that you've confirmed that the "fact" part is also dubious, then it should probably be removed. Guliolopez 10:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History?

message: I believe the recent edit is correct (Liberty Hall only tallest in Dublin not the country), is not County Hall in Cork taller? Where does the new Clarion hotel in Limerick rank? Also curious as to the new tall building being built in Limerick. zoney ♣ talk 14:13, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tallest building 

message: More than enough information about North Vs South. I don't see how the North Vs South divide is significant enough to have two or three paragraphs dedicated to it, where as the Culture section is just two or three statements! Just my personal opinion! <unsigned>
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Actually it is crucial. People make a big deal of which side they live on. A comparison between the rents for property on the north side and south side shows it. It is even shown on the LUAS, where the quality of workmanship in the finish is far superior on the green line than the red line. (One uses high quality bricks, the other a mixture of cheaper bricks and concrete 'made to look like bricks' cobblestones. And as a user of both lines, as so many others have joked, you get blonde Dublin 4 babes working on the green line, fat forty year old men working for the company on the red one. And the line was supposed to go to the Airport and was to be the only exclusively northside line mysteriously disappeared from the plans.) 
When elected president of Ireland Cearbhall O Dalaigh made a big point of noting that as president for the first time in his life he'd now have to live on the north side!!! Major businesses deliberately locate on the southside. Government departments prefer the southside. (The Dept of Health preferred to move to the hideous office block on Hawkins Street than continue to share the Custom House with Environment. One of the reasons, as a mandarin noted, was because at least in Hawkins Street the department would be Dublin 2 not Dublin 1 (even numbers = southside, odd = northside). There was an outcry when it was suggested that the Abbey Theatre relocate to the southside because it was felt that most major cultural organisations were on the south and the north had to hold onto whatever crumbs it had. 
Similarly while planners went out of their way to protect Dublin's three large southside georgian squares (Merrion and Fitzwilliam, and St. Stephen's Green) they let the finest of the original five squares (Mountjoy) be largely demolished, while much of Rutland/Parnell is in fact phoney georgian pastiche covering modern office blocks. While they rigidly protected the gardens in the two major southside squares, they allowed Mountjoy's to become a ghetto and Rutland/Parnell to be built over. And they allowed the Mater Hospital to demolish one whole side of a famed northside georgian street (Eccles St) in the 1980s while demolition of individual georgian houses has not been let on the southside since the late 1960s. 
: As a Northsider I think this article exaggerates the North/South divide. For example, I don't think that this description of Mountjoy Square is correct. Much of the Square is in fact original, namely the East and West sides; the North Side has been replaced at the Southern end, but the Southern side is also mostly intact. Also, the argument about the LUAS might have some relevance if it weren't for the fact that the Red line only travels on the Northside for a little over two miles - the rest of the route is on the South side.
Perhaps the biggest divide in Dublin now is between the East and the West? Bteeling 14:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with most of this, but it is a pity that the culture section is inadequate. Filiocht 08:27, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)
What about the IFSC on the North Side? An international money-powerhouse. And all the great buildings & bars going up on the banks of the "Wiffey"? Matthk 13:08, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree with you main point but having studied in Trinity I find the story of your friend from Finglas very hard to credit.  How did the "prejudice" manifest itself? --Ryano 13:48, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She claims she was looked down on by the other students.  People were asking if she was there on some sort of special scholarship when in actuality she'd scored extremely high in her leaving cert results.  She certainly wasn't getting the respect she deserved for her academic acheivement.  She chose to move to Maynooth after putting up with this sort of thing for a year.  Trinity made it difficult for her to move but when she told them that no matter what happened she wouldn't be attending lectures at trinity any longer they conceded.  In her final year she was selected to do some summer work with NASA.  She's now doing a PHD in Boston.  The work she's doing is in conjunction with UCD.  She forced UCDs hand to allow this move to Boston for similar reasons (that's where she started her PHD work) but also because the equipment she had access to there was sub-standard in comparison to what she currently has access to at Harvard.
Spose I should add that i'm an Australian citizen and have lived in Dublin for a bit over 3 years.  I live on the south side and my fiance is from the north side. Factoid Killer 22:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with your reversion.  I'd also like to add that I much prefer my work life here than that in Australia.  But that may be because, as an outsider, i'm excluded from Nvs City v county bias.  Ask any ozy about this sort of thing and they'll probably claim this sort of thing doesn't go on in Australia but that's a load of crap.  Some people have such a great talent do delude themselves that they'd find any reason what so ever to claim superiority.  It's usually those with the most unlikely claim who are the most vocal at asserting it. Factoid Killer 10:37, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northside Vs Southside 

message: NvS is definitely an issue in this city and thus requires a mention but it doesn't need to be half the article.  I know a south sider who works as a receptionist who believe's she's superior to a coleague who works as a software engineer (and a contractor on €400 per day) because he lives on the north side.  I know a north sider who is very much put out by all of the NvS stuff but believes she is superior to country people... and she considers Galway and Cork people to be country people.  I know a very talented phycisist from the Finglas who decided to leave trinity to study in maynooth (during her pre-grad days) due to the prejudice.  Harvard is doing very well to have her now.  This is a section well and truely open to non-NPOV edits and it needs to be carefully policed in my opinion. Factoid Killer 22:41, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you main point but having studied in Trinity I find the story of your friend from Finglas very hard to credit.  How did the "prejudice" manifest itself? --Ryano 13:48, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She claims she was looked down on by the other students.  People were asking if she was there on some sort of special scholarship when in actuality she'd scored extremely high in her leaving cert results.  She certainly wasn't getting the respect she deserved for her academic acheivement.  She chose to move to Maynooth after putting up with this sort of thing for a year.  Trinity made it difficult for her to move but when she told them that no matter what happened she wouldn't be attending lectures at trinity any longer they conceded.  In her final year she was selected to do some summer work with NASA.  She's now doing a PHD in Boston.  The work she's doing is in conjunction with UCD.  She forced UCDs hand to allow this move to Boston for similar reasons (that's where she started her PHD work) but also because the equipment she had access to there was sub-standard in comparison to what she currently has access to at Harvard.
Spose I should add that i'm an Australian citizen and have lived in Dublin for a bit over 3 years.  I live on the south side and my fiance is from the north side. Factoid Killer 22:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with your reversion.  I'd also like to add that I much prefer my work life here than that in Australia.  But that may be because, as an outsider, i'm excluded from Nvs City v county bias.  Ask any ozy about this sort of thing and they'll probably claim this sort of thing doesn't go on in Australia but that's a load of crap.  Some people have such a great talent do delude themselves that they'd find any reason what so ever to claim superiority.  It's usually those with the most unlikely claim who are the most vocal at asserting it. Factoid Killer 10:37, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: An outsider's perspective

message: the entry needs a section "modern culture":
cinema, night clubs, dating services- the section should be suitable for age ranges under eighteen.
and information about europe's largest brewery, but i am not from dublin.
as far as i can see, dublin has more than historic writers (which have their place),
museums(good for one day/year) and so called ghey's. there are people "prefer not say" and these would probably like to visit dublin.
Akidd_dublin 200501261250
:Most of the information you proprse would be better situated for a travel guide and not an Encylopedia. --User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 16:39, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  dublin's modern culture 

message: ...seems to have some spurious text that I wouldn't know what to do with. -- Beland 05:04, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Entertainment section 

message: The opening paragraph to an article should be a really snappy summary.  I've had a go at decluttering it, but only succeeded in revealing how thin it is.  Is there a Jackeen in the house who can write some really punchy copy?  --Red King 21:31, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening paragraph

message: Doesn't this look kinda low-quality (the shield I mean)? Revolución 06:02, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The infobox

message: Does Dublin four really need it's own subsection?
Is someone taking the piss?
"Dublin's middle class liberals are often described as Dublin 4, referring to one of the city's wealthiest postal districts" 
Shouldn't that read, middle and upper class, and as a Dubliner, I've never heard of  D4 being referred to as the liberals or even as a descriptive word for a liberal type of attitude?
"which the studios of Radio Telifís Éireann, the national broadcaster are located, as are a number of respected schools, colleges and a university. The modern campus of University College Dublin is located on the boundary of Dublin 4 and Dublin 14."
This could be in the seperate sections belonging to both RTE and the universities. Seems just like padding for a fairly self aggrandising sub section on a part of Dublin that does not deserve it's own section unless it's to mention  that it holds possibly the road with the most expensive property prices in the city.
"In actuality, the term Dublin 4 or the abbreviated D4 can refer to any middle class Dubliner from the Northside or the Southside or in many cases to simply an attitude that can be found anywhere in Ireland." 
What sort of nonsense is this? To wider Dublin, the term D4 is used as a derogatory term, relating to the rich upperclass / upper middleclass people out of touch with the wider city. Also, tell a Northsider he's from Dublin Four and I  doubt they're going to take it as some sort of compliment on their liberal views?  
"Many politicians and political commentators live in Dublin 4, while Dublin 4 traditionally takes a strongly liberal stance in referenda on issues like abortion and divorce." 
The minister of Justice lives in Dublin Six, does that make it worthy of a sub-category? This is complete nonsense. 
"The area is also associated with a distinctive accent (not actually particular to the district) which can be pleasing to some and painful to others."
You are taking the piss, aren't you? This can't be a serious wiki-entry?
I find ir astonishing that any Dubliner has not heard of what of D4 as a definition of upper-middle class liberal intelligensia. It is used throughout the media, politics, sociology, etc. Alice Glenn (remember her?) used to slate what she called the Dublin 4 mentality. It is a perfectly serious wikipedia entry. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 19:40, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of the content or aspect of the "D4" subsection, it is way too long in the context of the general "Dublin" article. It should be summarised and merged to the "southside" discussion in the adjacent section, and themain body should be moved to the standalone "Dublin 4" article. This may happen by natural progression/edit of the main body. However, if not, I will likely action myself.  Guliolopez 16:13, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  D4 

message: Allow me to indulge in a little native scepticism. 
The line, 'The Dublin Area Rapid Transit allowed the city to have a transport system suited for any modern European city,' is nonsense.
The DART is a single line that runs along the Dublin Bay coastline, serving principally affluent (quelle surprise!) suburbs. Otherwise, Dublin City's public transport comprises buses, which are extremely unreliable due to gridlock caused mostly by private cars, and a couple of token tram lines. Most Dubliners have no access to reliable public transport, and by no stretch of the imagination can it be said that the transport system is 'suited to any modern European city.'
The offending sentence strikes me as having been inserted by a public relations person, and should be replaced by a more honest assessment or, at least, simply deleted.
I agree totally. Ill change it Boldymumbles 19:41, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  DART 

message: In contrast with a common complaint of "not enough rich content", this article and it's readability suffers from an oversupply of pictures. Removal and/or reorganisation of a number of images from this page would (IMHO) benefit the article greatly. In particular:
 Image titled: "The Four Courts" - is not relevant in context and screws up layout.
 Image titled: "Áras an Uachtaráin" - is not relevant to context of "Dublin 4"
 Image titled: "The interior of a georgian mansion in Dublin" - is completely pointless
Will likely affect changes to layout in these areas if not otherwise cleaned up as part of "normal" updates.Guliolopez 15:59, 29 July 2005 (UT
:I can see Irish parliament columns sitting on top of the table of contents - it really does need reorganisation. --Henrygb 02:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. As with my earlier note (above - 29 July), I get the impression that some users (no fault/blame) are adding in their own personal photos. Granted these photos may be good - however they do not always add to the article, may not be appropriate to the general context, may be misplaced within the article, or may cause layout problems. For all these reasons, I'm going to take this example out again. (FYI - This photo already appears in the Irish Houses of Parliament article. However, if it is felt that such an example is needed in a more general "Dublin artitectural" context, it may be appropriate to add to the Dublin wikimedia image page, rather than this Dublin article.) Guliolopez 02:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Their is a Photographs of Dublin already which maybe of some use. A lot of these cities of Ireland articles seam to suffer from a creeping expansion. Fundementally what is needed is subarticles such as "Culture in Dublin", "Education in Dublin", "Government in Dublin", "Infrastructure in Dublin", etc; the current article is 31 kilobytes long, something which is generally frowned on. Djegan 19:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Pictures have too much grey cloud etc.  Even though there are a lot of pictures, quality of same is not that great.   For example, the Halfpenny Bridge picture is taken from too far away to mean anything much to browser, that's just one example.  You decide!  Red blaze 23:42, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures/Layout 

message: Would it not be advisable that the section on Southside/Northside be moved into the relevant articles, with overlaps eliminated. Obviously some expositon of the differences side by side is essential, but is it absolutely neccessary to replicate the contents of the two articles within the main Dublin article? As noted, this article is overlong and overlarge, while lacking somewhat in contemporary content. I'm sure a more experienced editor could perform this excision and re-editing much more effectively than myself... Boldymumbles 23:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Southside Northside

message: I've moved the "Name" and "History" sections up to the top of the article.
It makes more sense to explai nthe origin of the city surely before moving on to anything else?
Jdorney 13:36, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved Sections 

message: The population figures in the first three paragraphs are a gross misrepresentation of reality. The City of Dublin's population as at the last census was 495,781; quoting figures for the Dublin Region and Greater Dublin Area and "sprinkling" in words like metropolitan and urban (in order to editorialise) is misleading to say the least in order to double and triple the real value. Djegan 20:18, 14 January 2006
:RE: Continuing edits made by anonymous user 68.237.200.230
:Please either:
:* stop your continuing and repeated edits to reflect inaccurate and misleading numbers, or
:* provide authoratative sources which support your definition of Dublin City as spanning the entire Dublin Region, or
:* open a discussion on this talk page as to why you feel the numbers are appropriate.
:As has been noted by other users, the population of Dublin city is (per 2002 census) 495,781. Certainly, the population of the Greater Dublin Area and Dublin Region are higher, but these figures are tracked (correctly) in the articles for those areas, and should not be referenced here. Your continuing edits are approaching breach of the Three-revert rule. Guliolopez 20:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Population figures

message: Where are the sources for the Cable Car mentioned on the Dublin article? Posted by 62.231.39.14
Here's something: http://constructireland.ie/news.php?artID=3437
--A bit iffy 17:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also see image on irish-architecture.com/news. At the moment seems like conjecture to suggest that such a project would ever get the go ahead. Based on artists rendition of pylons, I can't (in my opinion) imagine the project gaining either public, goverment or planning support. If no update in news or other sources within the next few months, would want to consider removing reference from this article. Guliolopez 17:58, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

text: It was featured in the Irish Times a few weeks ago, but at this stage it's only a plan, so I don't believe it merits inclusion in the article, certainly not under "public transport".  Plenty of other proposals have been made for transport projects in Dublin, e.g. water taxis on the Liffey, if we were to include them all there would be more info on what isn't in Dublin than what is. I've removed the reference on that basis, comments welcome. --Ryano 17:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Agree with removal - As noted in comment above, need to be careful about including "planned by unconfirmed" initiatives (either public transport or otherwise) until they have passed some definitive planning or development milestone. Guliolopez 18:02, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Agree remove, should not be speculation. Djegan 18:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cable Car 

message: Since there are so many pages (Dublin and disamiguation of the article, Greater Dublin, and County Dublin, should we make the default article name (Dublin) the disambiguation and change Dublin to Dublin (city)? —CliffHarris (-T|C-) 00:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say no, being that the name for pretty much all other dublins throughout the world, as well as most of the terms, derive from this city, and that i would say by far, that htis dublin is the most notable on a world scale then any of the others listed. As for the disambiguation, their is not even that many listed. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 05:20, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I would also recommend against. For the reasons noted by Boothy443 above, it is most likely that the article about Dublin city is what most users will be looking for when searching/clicking/linking to Dublin. The dablink to Dublin (disambiguation) at the top of the article should suffice or anyone who has landed on the page by mistake. Guliolopez 11:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm against this as well. By far the most common meaning of "Dublin" is the city. --A bit iffy 11:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Also Oppose for reasons already mentioned. ww2censor 05:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All those reasons are fine with me. :) —CliffHarris (-T|C-) 02:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also against it, the city is the most common usage of the term "Dublin", those who mean anything else are going to use the specifics. --Kiand 04:17, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambig 

message: Regarding Dublin being the only city in Leinster I think this is wrong on potential two grounds. 1. Kilkenny is a historic city, abeit not a county borough but definitely a city none-the-less. 2. Waterford is a city in its own right with a legal and geographic characteristic independent of the county. To the best of my knowledge the city is also zoned north of the river Suir, which would have formerly comprised of county Kilkenny - a county in Leinster. The provinces are historic, theirfore modern boundaries (of counties) are of little relevance. Djegan 20:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kilkenny is a city in Leinster, but Waterford is a city in Munster. Seabhcán 20:32, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The only city in Leinster?

message: Should there not be sections on the economy, industry, and maybe retail of Dublin in this article? Jvlm.123 08:47, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What could be valueable is an Economy of Dublin (or Infrastructure of Dublin) article and remove most of the section apart from a brief introduction. But it would be a challenge. Djegan 19:55, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Limerick has a good layout with sections on industry and retail. The style could be repeated here. Seabhcán 20:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Economy/Industry/Retail

message: I'm trying to visualize the layout of the city and especially its transport networks.  It would be very helpful if there were a map showing how all the various rail lines and major roads are spacially related.
I was also surprised that there is no section on the demographics of the city.  A population density map would be quite useful to illustrate the urban growth that is mentioned in the article. -- Beland 03:42, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps - transport, demographics 

message: Isn't this gaelic, not irish. AFAIK Gaelic (sp?) is the official name. DannyM 16:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, its not. "Gaelic" these days is a term almost solely used by people in the UK and the US, in English its the Irish language. --Kiand 16:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I work for an Irish software development company selling software to both Irish and British Clients.  We actually had to localise the language so that British customers see the term 'Gaelic' and Irish customers see the term 'Irish' to depict this lanugage.  It's a contentious issue but I believe that using the same argument the brits use to suggest that American English doesn't belong in the London Article, the Irish term for this language (which IS 'Irish') belongs in this article. Factoid Killer 22:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That surprises me a little. Gaelic is even more ambiguous in Britain, where it usually refers to Scottish Gaelic. Not to mention Manx Gaelic. --Kwekubo 17:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baile Átha Cliath 

message: 30C maximum recorded temp? surly shum mishtake. --KaptKos 15:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes 30C is the highest official temperature recorded, I think. But remember, this is in the shade and in the air (as that is international standard), so the temperature in direct sunlight at ground level may be even higher (40C+). It's like this on all (offical) climate figures. Jvlm.123 17:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, Met Eireann has lots of stuff (which I should have look at first;) on this although not very up to date. They should move the monitoring station from the airport, its always bleedin freezing up there--KaptKos 10:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: I edited some of the stuff in the article as it was complete nonsense. you are supposed to be neutral not big-headed.
:Any large scale blanking, without agreement, is considered vandalism. Discuss first, or risk a block. Djegan 20:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Blanking

message: I notice the section on the City Government appears to be rant on Architecture rather than politics. Caveat lector 17:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. Section should likely be improved (summarise and link actual city government practice from Dublin City Council). Commentary on Civic offices development should be summarised, and content moved to Wood Quay. If no-one else does this, I will action myself if I get a chance. Guliolopez 11:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. (Though moved content to Dublin_City_Council#Council_buildings as detail related to all 3 relevant civic buildings and not just Wood Quay.) Guliolopez 17:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Government - City 

message: I've just added a map of Ireland with Dublin marked on it - it's a nifty template hacked by Croatian Wikipedians - I'll post about how to do this on Wikipedia talk:Irish Wikipedians' notice board. Meantime, dunno, but maybe this map should be integrated with the infobox? It feels slightly out of place where it is. Cormaggio @ 10:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. However, are we adding it just because it's "nifty"? Does it add anything more than the location map that already exists in the article infobox? If not it may be redundant... Guliolopez 12:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the map that's there has a miniscule map of Ireland with County Dublin marked in green, and then with an enlarged county map showing Dublin's location within the county. To be honest, I don't think it's especially clear to someone who doesn't know much about Dublin - or Ireland for that matter. I'd prefer to have both maps - or, at least, a clear map of where Dublin is in Ireland, and an indication of its spread. Cormaggio @ 13:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, I think the existing location map does a much better job on your second point ("indication of [city] spread"), than the new one. There will always be a happy balance to be struck between a "wider view" to indicate position within greater geopraphical context, and a "closer view" to indicate specific position within a region, or to indicate (as you note) the spread of a city. This is why (per discussion on Template talk:Infobox Irish Place and WP:IWNB) the "two tiered" view was adopted. I'm not saying the new template does not have value (as you note, it does more easily meet the "position within greater geopraphical context" requirement), but I'm not sure it's ready to replace the existing approach. (Or at least - not in my opinion). Guliolopez 11:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, point taken. It's just that the geographical location of Dublin in Ireland isn't well indicated on that map at all. In fact, it's better for most other large Irish towns (eg. Naas, Fermoy), for the simple reason that the map of Ireland is bigger and that there is no doubt that this large green county map region corresponds to the smaller green one on the country map. I just think that the geographical location needs to be easier to see, as is done for English cities (eg. Birmingham). Cormaggio @ 11:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location map 

message: The related :Category:Members of the United Kingdom Parliament from Dublin constituencies (1801-1922) has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion  on the Categories for Discussion page. 
--Mais oui! 09:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CFD 

message: climate of dublin is not necessary for this encyclopedia.--Polocook 20:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you feel that way, then you should discuss it on this page first, and fully explain the reason you believe this to be so. You did not give a valid reason to remove that section from the article. Please discuss major changes like that here. Thanks KOS | talk 01:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Some information on the climate seems to be standard for city articles on Wikipedia at least.  I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be included.  The article is too long though, some sections will have to be cut down or removed.  The northside/southside thing should be mentioned, as it's an important topic in understanding the city, but it probably doesn't need its own section.  --Ryano 14:54, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Guys - While I agree that the climate section is perfectly legitimate and adds value to the article, it seems to have "morphed" somewhat in the recent series of reverts. There is now a bunch of duplicated paragraphs and content. If no objections I'm going to try and tidy up. Someone may want to review to verify that I havn't removed anything I shouldn't have. Guliolopez 15:10, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate of Dublin 

message: User:Lisamh (who seems particularly interested in merges) has suggested a merge of West Dublin into the Dublin (city) article. Personally I disagree. The Dublin article is about the city proper, and West Dublin is beyond those bounds. In its current form I think that the West Dublin article should (instead) just be deleted. It's got no references, refers to an entity undefined in any device anywhere, deals in POV and is subjective in the extreme. (It also doesn't really have much value, as the suburbs it suggests it includes are already well covered in their own articles, and the wider context of the article - "General Dublin geography terms" - is already covered by Greater Dublin Area, Dublin Region, Fingal, Dublin postal districts and the other constituents of :Category:Geography of Dublin). Thoughts? So we can remove this merge tag? Guliolopez 12:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nominate it for deletion and I will support that based on your reasoning. It really is no of much use at all. ww2censor 13:12, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - Done. Have nominated it for deletion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/West Dublin. Guliolopez 18:27, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The afd ended and the result was to merge anything useful to this article. Based on the discussion here, I've just redirected without merging (since it would appear that anything merged would probably be removed anyway), but if someone who knows better would like to look through the history of West Dublin again and determine if anything could be salvaged, it would be appreciated. Thanks. - Bobet 09:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: West Dublin merge

message: U2 (the band) came frome dublin, so does anyone think they should get a quick mention with a link?
Stwalkerster 22:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  U2 

message: Substituted at 20:30, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment