Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Eugenics in Showa Japan/Archive 1

message: === A message from ZayZayEM ===
I have a dropped a warning to FT about the wording of his "issues". I have encouraged him to initiate mediation as issues between him and User:Azukimonaka extend further back than before I got involved . These two editors are not getting along well, and I am trying to encourage them to follow not productive steps and refrain from personal attacks and complaining.--ZayZayEM 01:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Diff . --ZayZayEM 15:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I removed only the part that Flying-Tyger had added on October 20, 2007. You are putting the article on the discussion Eugenics in Showa Japan onEugenics. Because this part is being discussed now. Will you wait until obtaining consensus?　--Azukimonaka 16:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Your mistake in Japanese expansionism was written in Talkpage. If you answer, I will temporarily approve the article that you added. --Azukimonaka 16:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

text: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azukimonaka (talk • contribs) 16:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Why do you escape from the question?　I hear the reason why you falsified the source. Please do not cheat shouting "personal attack! personal attack!".　--Azukimonaka 13:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Then, who is the nationalist (militarist) who promotes Eugenics in Showa Japan?　--Azukimonaka 15:17, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nationalist does not mean militarist. It means national pride. I would think a majority of Japan is nationalist. I think probably more so in Showa era. I think the misunderstanding may come from Japan being such a generally proud country, that the equivalent term is only reserved for militant groups. "Nationalist" in common English is not associated directly with militaristic intentions. One can readily be a pacifist nationalist.--ZayZayEM 23:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Please write the reason. --Azukimonaka 15:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

text: They are the parts where Azukimonaka deletes, and Flying Tiger repeated the revival. --Azukimonaka 20:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: I have a dropped a warning to FT about the wording of his "issues". I have encouraged him to initiate mediation as issues between him and User:Azukimonaka extend further back than before I got involved . These two editors are not getting along well, and I am trying to encourage them to follow not productive steps and refrain from personal attacks and complaining.--ZayZayEM 01:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A message from ZayZayEM 

message: I agreed to this mediation in good faith while just before it even began, user:Azukimonaka started two other edit wars on Japanese expansionism and Eugenics. I suceeded in protecting the first while I agree to keep his deletions on the second even if they were done just after the mediation was called. However, if this user persists in trying to add this personal and cheap notice in Eugenics, I 'll simply withdraw from this process : «<--　Showa Japan is a section that Flying-Tyger personally added on October 20, 2007. This Main article is being discussed now. This article is concealed until the discussion ends..» --Flying tiger 13:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Diff . --ZayZayEM 15:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I removed only the part that Flying-Tyger had added on October 20, 2007. You are putting the article on the discussion Eugenics in Showa Japan onEugenics. Because this part is being discussed now. Will you wait until obtaining consensus?　--Azukimonaka 16:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Your mistake in Japanese expansionism was written in Talkpage. If you answer, I will temporarily approve the article that you added. --Azukimonaka 16:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

text: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azukimonaka (talk • contribs) 16:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Why do you escape from the question?　I hear the reason why you falsified the source. Please do not cheat shouting "personal attack! personal attack!".　--Azukimonaka 13:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warning 

message: One of the main problems with editing here I see is the rise of arguments from nowhere.
Azukimonaka constantly asks questions that have no real basis in the text of the articles. Such as pointing out that Nagai Hisomu is not a serviceman - no one said he was.
He then complains when people ignore these discussions. People are ignoring them because they cannot comprehend them, or cannot see the relevance of the points you are bringing up.--ZayZayEM 04:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then, who is the nationalist (militarist) who promotes Eugenics in Showa Japan?　--Azukimonaka 15:17, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nationalist does not mean militarist. It means national pride. I would think a majority of Japan is nationalist. I think probably more so in Showa era. I think the misunderstanding may come from Japan being such a generally proud country, that the equivalent term is only reserved for militant groups. "Nationalist" in common English is not associated directly with militaristic intentions. One can readily be a pacifist nationalist.--ZayZayEM 23:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arguments 

message: ====Azukimonaka Ver====
*1926, Eugenics introduced to Japan by Ikeda Ringi (池田 林儀), a journalist who had been sent to Germany. Ringi starts the magazine "Eugenics movement".
*1930,　Society of Health and Human Ecology (JSHHE) established. The "Doctor of Eugenics", Nagi Hisomu, assumes the position of the chief director of this organization. 
*1934-1938, The Eugenic Protection Law submitted, and rejected, to the Diet every year during this period 
*1938, The Japanese government establishes the Ministry of Health and Welfare 
*1940, The Diet passes The National Eugenic Law. (国民優生法)
*1940-1945 Sterilization performed on 454 patients by the Japanese empire. 松原洋子「優生問題を考える（四）──国民優生法と優生保護法 Matsubara Yoko - Research of Eugenics problem  
*1946, Nagi Hisomu confesses (??). The eugenics of Japan has not spread (??). Explanation: Japanese nationalists did not understand the science. 
*1948, The Diet passes The Eugenic Protection Law (優生保護法) (This law allows compulsory sterilization by physicians for certain 'diseases' in "the sake of the public interest to prevent the inheritance of the disease", see Jurisprudence in Eugenics, table 1)
*1996, Mother's Body Protection Law (母体保護法) approved June 18, abolishing/superceding the Eugenic Protection Law 
--Azukimonaka 18:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please write the reason. --Azukimonaka 15:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

text: They are the parts where Azukimonaka deletes, and Flying Tiger repeated the revival. --Azukimonaka 20:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline

message: *1926, Eugenics introduced to Japan by Ikeda Ringi (池田 林儀), a journalist who had been sent to Germany. Ringi starts the magazine "Eugenics movement".
*1930,　Society of Health and Human Ecology (JSHHE) established. The "Doctor of Eugenics", Nagi Hisomu, assumes the position of the chief director of this organization. 
*1934-1938, The Eugenic Protection Law submitted, and rejected, to the Diet every year during this period 
*1938, The Japanese government establishes the Ministry of Health and Welfare 
*1940, The Diet passes The National Eugenic Law. (国民優生法)
*1940-1945 Sterilization performed on 454 patients by the Japanese empire. 松原洋子「優生問題を考える（四）──国民優生法と優生保護法 Matsubara Yoko - Research of Eugenics problem  
*1946, Nagi Hisomu confesses (??). The eugenics of Japan has not spread (??). Explanation: Japanese nationalists did not understand the science. 
*1948, The Diet passes The Eugenic Protection Law (優生保護法) (This law allows compulsory sterilization by physicians for certain 'diseases' in "the sake of the public interest to prevent the inheritance of the disease", see Jurisprudence in Eugenics, table 1)
*1996, Mother's Body Protection Law (母体保護法) approved June 18, abolishing/superceding the Eugenic Protection Law 
--Azukimonaka 18:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please write the reason. --Azukimonaka 15:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Azukimonaka Ver

message: (Please note this version requires verification by FlyingTiger--ZayZayEM 03:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are the parts where Azukimonaka deletes, and Flying Tiger repeated the revival. --Azukimonaka 20:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Flyingtiger Ver

message: This is completely messed up and going nowhere. The sections in this page have been reorganized so that we could first address all the issues that the concerned parties are arguing, and try to build a consensus for each. --Saintjust (talk) 20:23, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization of sections in this rfm talk page

message: Let's do a little straw poll on the title (non binding). --Saintjust (talk) 20:39, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Straw poll on the title

message: #Support --Saintjust (talk) 20:39, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change to "Eugenics in Japan" 

message: Concretely, please write how to relate to Eugenics. --Azukimonaka 12:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These relate to understanding social and political movements in the era. They do not relate to Eugenics (except maybe fascism, and perhaps to a lesser degree Xenophobia). These do not relate to Eugenics, but to the "Showa Japan" focus of the article.--ZayZayEM 01:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But like others have suggested above, the "Showa Japan" focus itself is "silly" to begin with. Showa is only the Japanese name of a period that corresponds to the reign of Emperor Showa and spans from 1926 to 1989. Fascism and the rest all effectively ended by 1945, while eugenics didn't. Also, just because something happened during the militarist rule doesn't necessarily mean it was related to militarism. --Saintjust 08:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Fascism and the rest all effectively ended by 1945," - disputed. Or Do you mean state fascism?--ZayZayEM (talk) 03:37, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to include in the see also section 

message: Flying-Tyger wrote.  <- First Version　
The source#1 is being written like this.
<Blockquote>"The purposes of this law are to prevent the birth of inferior descendants from the eugenic point of view, and to protect the life and health of the mother as well."</Blockquote>
He concealed "and to protect the life and health of the mother as well". and emphasized inferior.
"while simultaneously decreasing the number of people suffering mental retardation , disability, genetic disease and other conditions..." is also wrong. 　
Source #1 is written, Only "hereditary disorder (遺伝性疾患)". 
Source #2 is written, "or hereditary malformation, or the spouse suffers from mental disease or mental disability". However, this is an explanation of The Eugenic Protection Law approved in 1948.　
Flying-Tyger, Please explain the reason why you falsified like this. --Azukimonaka 14:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NB: No source is presented in the original version. No reference is made to the National Eugenic Law. Or to the bioethics.jp text. User:Azukimonaka needs to realise that this article is not merely about the National Eugenic law. --ZayZayEM 15:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please refer to an original source. It is being written. 
<Blockquote>　
The purpose of the Eugenic Protection Law is stated in Article 1: 
"The purposes of this law are to prevent the birth of inferior descendants from the eugenic point of view, and to protect the life and health of the mother as well." 
The Eugenic Protection Law actually serves as a law for eugenic and maternal protection by applying the methods of "eugenic operation" (Article 2) and "artificial interruption of pregnancy" (Article 2-II). In this law the term "eugenic operation" refers to any surgical operation that makes a person unable to reproduce without removing the reproduction glands, as prescribed by Order. "Artificial interruption of pregnancy" refers to the artificial discharge of a fetus and its appendages from the body of the mother during the period when a fetus is unable to remain alive outside the body of the mother. (This particular time period ends around the 22nd or 23rd week of gestation.) 
</Blockquote> --Azukimonaka 06:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Flying Tyger isn't the one to blame on this. --Saintjust 09:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

text: what is the difference between "malignant" vs. "healthy" and using inferior vs. superiority? My main issue is that a lot of the traits being listed as "malignant genetic disorders" are neither malignant or genetic. I do not see a problem mentioning that increasing healthy Japanese numbers was Japanese eugenicism's primary objectives.--ZayZayEM 23:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Malignant" and "healthy" are simply more precise translations of the original Japanese words used in this particular law. Whether a certain trait was rightly considered malignant and/or genetic back then is another issue. Also, words like "superior," "inferior," and "purity" have an overtone of racial supremacism that makes it sound like its primary aim was to create a Japanese master race. --Saintjust 08:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: "Jurisprudence in Genetics" by Rihito Kimura appears to be first added by Stammer in the external links section.  Then in the following edit, HongQiGong added a footnote to the lead section that cited this same webpage.  The text of the lead section itself was written by neither of them. Nor did Flying Tyger write it. It had been here from long before. Now, this article by Kimura doesn't substantiate very well what the lead section claims, especially regarding racial purity and superiority/inferiority. So HongQiGong's placement of the footnote tag here was a mistake. It should be removed, and this article should be used somewhere else in the article that is more directly relevant, possibly in a section on the Eugenic Protection Law of 1948.
Another source, a text from the Eugenic Protection Law of 1940 ("(国民優生法) 第一条　本法ハ悪質ナル遺伝性疾患ノ素質ヲ有スル者ノ増加ヲ防遏スルト共ニ健全ナル素質ヲ有スル者ノ増加ヲ図リ以テ国民素質ノ向上ヲ期スルコトヲ目的トス") appears to be first added by Azukimonaka himself in the lead section as a footnote  This source mentions the "improvement of the quality of the people" (国民素質) by preventing the increase of people who possess the quality of "malignant" genetic disorder (悪質ナル遺伝性疾患ノ素質) and increasing people who possess "healthy" (健全) qualities. Again, no mention of Naziesque purity or superiority/inferiority.
As it is, the lead section is still unsourced. Either it should be revised to conform to what the cited sources actually say, or remove the two sources and find other sources that actually substantiate what it says about racial purity, superiority/inferiority, and the rest. --Saintjust 09:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: what is the difference between "malignant" vs. "healthy" and using inferior vs. superiority? My main issue is that a lot of the traits being listed as "malignant genetic disorders" are neither malignant or genetic. I do not see a problem mentioning that increasing healthy Japanese numbers was Japanese eugenicism's primary objectives.--ZayZayEM 23:05, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Malignant" and "healthy" are simply more precise translations of the original Japanese words used in this particular law. Whether a certain trait was rightly considered malignant and/or genetic back then is another issue. Also, words like "superior," "inferior," and "purity" have an overtone of racial supremacism that makes it sound like its primary aim was to create a Japanese master race. --Saintjust 08:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the two sources cited in the lead section 

message: I'm not quite sure of exactly what is being disputed at User_talk:ZayZayEM#FYI, but the link provided by Azukimonaka  is of a website maintained by notable Japanese scholars such as :ja:立岩真也 among others, and the page provides a summary of the book "優生学と人間社会−生命科学の世紀はどこへ向かうのか−," which seems to be used in the disputed edit . According to the summary provided by this website, the chapter 5 of the book, "日本−戦後の優生保護法という名の断種法" by Yoko Matsubara (松原洋子), overviews National Eugenic Law (国民優生法, 1940-1947), Eugenic Protection Law (優生保護法, 1948-1996), and other eugenic thoughts and policies in Japan since the establishment of the Ministry of Health and Welfare in 1938 upto the present ("本章では1938年の厚生省創設から国民優生法、優生保護法、そして現在までの日本の優性思想・政策を概観した内容"). --Saintjust 05:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "The book, Yuseigaku to Ningen Shakai

message: ===Useful information===
*1926, Eugenics introduced to Japan by Ikeda Ringi (池田 林儀), a journalist who had been sent to Germany. Ringi starts the magazine "Eugenics movement"
*1930,　Society of Health and Human Ecology (JSHHE) established. The "Doctor of Eugenics", Nagi Hisomu, assumes the position of the chief director of this organization.
*1934-1938, The Eugenic Protection Law submitted, and rejected, to the Diet every year during this period
*1938, The Japanese government establishes the Ministry of Health and Welfare 
*1940, The Diet passes The National Eugenic Law. (国民優生法)
*1940-1945 Sterilization performed on 454 patients by the Japanese empire. 
*1948, The Diet passes The Eugenic Protection Law (優生保護法)
*1996, Mother's Body Protection Law (母体保護法) approved June 18, abolishing/superceding the Eugenic Protection Law 
===Information that should be deleted===
*Eugenics in Shōwa Japan were supported by politically motivated movements that sought to increase the number of healthy Japanese, while simultaneously decreasing the number of people suffering mental retardation , disability, genetic disease and other conditions that led to them being viewed as "inferior" contributions to the Japanese gene pool.(#1"The National Eugenic Law)(#2<BR>
<Blockquote>
Deletion reason<BR>
1. POV <BR>
2. Information is wrong <BR>
*  and to protect the life and health of the mother as well  was deleted from the source. ("The purposes of this law are to prevent the birth of inferior descendants from the eugenic point of view, and to protect the life and health of the mother as well.")
* "while simultaneously decreasing the number of people suffering mental retardation , disability, genetic disease and other conditions..." is also wrong. "The National Eugenic Law" that Nazis Germany influences excluded only genetic disease. 
</Blockquote>
*The Leprosy Prevention laws of 1907, 1931 and 1953, the last one only repealed in 1996, permitted the segregation of patients in sanitarium where forced abortions and sterilization were common and authorized punishmement of patients "disturbing peace".
<Blockquote>
:Deletion reason - Information is wrong
:1.Leprosy Prevention laws is not related to Sterilization. 
:2.The purpose of Leprosy Prevention laws is prevention of the epidemic. 
**1907, Leprosy Prevention Laws (癩予防ニ関スル件) purpose was to isolate wandering Leprosy patients. (癩患者ニシテ療養ノ途ヲ有セス且救護者ナキモノハ行政官癩ニ於テ命令ノ定ムル所ニ従ヒ療養所ニ入ラシメ之ヲ救護スベシ)
**1931, To isolate all Leprosy patients, Leprosy Prevention Laws　(癩予防法) was approved. (行政官癩ハ癩予防上必要ト認ムル トキハ命令ノ定ムル所ニ従ヒ癩患者ニシテ病毒傅播ノ虞アルモノヲ国立癩療養所又ハ第4条ノ 規定ニ依リ設置スル療養所ニ入所セシムルベシ)
**1940, The Diet passes The National Eugenic Law(国民優性法). The patient was not sterilized because Leprosy had been thought to be an epidemic. (This law is a law to remove an inferior inheritance. )
**1948, Leprosy and Haemophilia were compulsorily sterilized by Eugenic Protection Law. 
**1953, Leprosy Prevention Laws (らい予防法) was approved. 　The patient was compulsorily isolated.</Blockquote>
*1910, Under the colonial Korean Leprosy prevention ordinance, Korean patients are subjected to hard labor.
:Deletion reason - This is not Eugenics. 
*1942, Marriage between Koreans and Japanese is discouraged. A survey report argues that "the Korean laborers brought to Japan, where they have established permanent residency, are of the lower classes and therefore of inferior constitution...By fathering children with Japanese women, these men could lower the caliber of the Yamato minzoku" 
:Deletion reason - This is not Eugenics. 
*On 19 August, 1945, the Home Ministry ordered local government offices to establish a prostitution service for allied soldiers to preserve the "purity" of the "Japanese race". The official declaration stated that : «Through the sacrifice of thousands of "Okichis" of the Shōwa era, we shall construct a dike to hold back the mad frenzy of the occupation troops and cultivate and preserve the purity of our race long into the future...»
:Deletion reason - Information is wrong
:This description is not corresponding to the order August 19, 1945 at all. 
<Blockquote>
外国軍駐屯地における慰安施設の設置に関する内務省警保局長通牒(無電)[原文漢数字] <Br>
1945/08/18<Br>
外国軍駐屯地に於ては別記要領に依り之が慰安施設等設備の要あるも本件取扱に付ては極めて慎重を要するに付特に左記事項留意の上遺憾なきを期せられ度.<Br>
1.外国軍の駐屯地及時季は目下全く予想し得ざるところなれば必ず貴県に駐屯するが如き感を懐き一般に動揺を来さしむ如きなかるべきこと. <Br>
2.駐屯する場合は急速に開設を要するものなるに付内部的には予め手筈を定め置くこととし外部には絶対に之を漏洩せざること. <Br>
3.本件実施に当りて日本人の保護を趣旨とするものなることを理解せしめ地方民をして誤解を生じせしめざること.<Br>
<Br>
(別記)<Br>
外国駐屯軍慰安施設等整備要綱<Br>
1. 営業行為は一定の区域を限定して従来の取締標準にかかわらずこれを許可するものとす.<Br>
2. 前項の区域は警察署長に於いて之を設定するものとし,日本人の施設利用は之を禁ずるものとす.<Br>
3. 警察署長は左の営業については積極的に指導を行い設備の急速充実を図るものとする.<Br>
性的慰安施設<Br>
飲食施設<Br>
娯楽場<Br>
4. 営業に必要な婦女子は,芸妓,公私娼妓,女給,酌婦,常習密売淫犯者を優先的に之を充足するものとする.<Br>
吉川春子『従軍慰安婦 新資料による国会論戦』あゆみ出版1997/11/01 pp.230
</Blockquote>　--Azukimonaka (talk) 18:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Profitable information and needless information

message: *Eugenics in Shōwa Japan were supported by politically motivated movements that sought to increase the number of healthy Japanese, while simultaneously decreasing the number of people suffering mental retardation , disability, genetic disease and other conditions that led to them being viewed as "inferior" contributions to the Japanese gene pool.(#1"The National Eugenic Law)(#2<BR>
<Blockquote>
Deletion reason<BR>
1. POV <BR>
2. Information is wrong <BR>
*  and to protect the life and health of the mother as well  was deleted from the source. ("The purposes of this law are to prevent the birth of inferior descendants from the eugenic point of view, and to protect the life and health of the mother as well.")
* "while simultaneously decreasing the number of people suffering mental retardation , disability, genetic disease and other conditions..." is also wrong. "The National Eugenic Law" that Nazis Germany influences excluded only genetic disease. 
</Blockquote>
*The Leprosy Prevention laws of 1907, 1931 and 1953, the last one only repealed in 1996, permitted the segregation of patients in sanitarium where forced abortions and sterilization were common and authorized punishmement of patients "disturbing peace".
<Blockquote>
:Deletion reason - Information is wrong
:1.Leprosy Prevention laws is not related to Sterilization. 
:2.The purpose of Leprosy Prevention laws is prevention of the epidemic. 
**1907, Leprosy Prevention Laws (癩予防ニ関スル件) purpose was to isolate wandering Leprosy patients. (癩患者ニシテ療養ノ途ヲ有セス且救護者ナキモノハ行政官癩ニ於テ命令ノ定ムル所ニ従ヒ療養所ニ入ラシメ之ヲ救護スベシ)
**1931, To isolate all Leprosy patients, Leprosy Prevention Laws　(癩予防法) was approved. (行政官癩ハ癩予防上必要ト認ムル トキハ命令ノ定ムル所ニ従ヒ癩患者ニシテ病毒傅播ノ虞アルモノヲ国立癩療養所又ハ第4条ノ 規定ニ依リ設置スル療養所ニ入所セシムルベシ)
**1940, The Diet passes The National Eugenic Law(国民優性法). The patient was not sterilized because Leprosy had been thought to be an epidemic. (This law is a law to remove an inferior inheritance. )
**1948, Leprosy and Haemophilia were compulsorily sterilized by Eugenic Protection Law. 
**1953, Leprosy Prevention Laws (らい予防法) was approved. 　The patient was compulsorily isolated.</Blockquote>
*1910, Under the colonial Korean Leprosy prevention ordinance, Korean patients are subjected to hard labor.
:Deletion reason - This is not Eugenics. 
*1942, Marriage between Koreans and Japanese is discouraged. A survey report argues that "the Korean laborers brought to Japan, where they have established permanent residency, are of the lower classes and therefore of inferior constitution...By fathering children with Japanese women, these men could lower the caliber of the Yamato minzoku" 
:Deletion reason - This is not Eugenics. 
*On 19 August, 1945, the Home Ministry ordered local government offices to establish a prostitution service for allied soldiers to preserve the "purity" of the "Japanese race". The official declaration stated that : «Through the sacrifice of thousands of "Okichis" of the Shōwa era, we shall construct a dike to hold back the mad frenzy of the occupation troops and cultivate and preserve the purity of our race long into the future...»
:Deletion reason - Information is wrong
:This description is not corresponding to the order August 19, 1945 at all. 
<Blockquote>
外国軍駐屯地における慰安施設の設置に関する内務省警保局長通牒(無電)[原文漢数字] <Br>
1945/08/18<Br>
外国軍駐屯地に於ては別記要領に依り之が慰安施設等設備の要あるも本件取扱に付ては極めて慎重を要するに付特に左記事項留意の上遺憾なきを期せられ度.<Br>
1.外国軍の駐屯地及時季は目下全く予想し得ざるところなれば必ず貴県に駐屯するが如き感を懐き一般に動揺を来さしむ如きなかるべきこと. <Br>
2.駐屯する場合は急速に開設を要するものなるに付内部的には予め手筈を定め置くこととし外部には絶対に之を漏洩せざること. <Br>
3.本件実施に当りて日本人の保護を趣旨とするものなることを理解せしめ地方民をして誤解を生じせしめざること.<Br>
<Br>
(別記)<Br>
外国駐屯軍慰安施設等整備要綱<Br>
1. 営業行為は一定の区域を限定して従来の取締標準にかかわらずこれを許可するものとす.<Br>
2. 前項の区域は警察署長に於いて之を設定するものとし,日本人の施設利用は之を禁ずるものとす.<Br>
3. 警察署長は左の営業については積極的に指導を行い設備の急速充実を図るものとする.<Br>
性的慰安施設<Br>
飲食施設<Br>
娯楽場<Br>
4. 営業に必要な婦女子は,芸妓,公私娼妓,女給,酌婦,常習密売淫犯者を優先的に之を充足するものとする.<Br>
吉川春子『従軍慰安婦 新資料による国会論戦』あゆみ出版1997/11/01 pp.230
</Blockquote>　--Azukimonaka (talk) 18:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: # The current lead section is completely unsourced and needs to be rewritten like you say. See #Regarding the two sources cited in the lead section.
# The leprosy prevention laws are irrelevant and should not be included in this article. However, the issue of the treatment of leprosy under the National Eugenic Law is legitimate one and should be included. See #Leprosy.
# The 1910 Korean Leprosy prevention ordinance should be removed for the same reason as the leprosy prevention laws.
# Marriage between Koreans and Japanese was discouraged by Eugenic marriage counseling centers. So this fact does merit reference. However, it should also be mentioned that it did not represent the policy of the entire Imperial Japan, and, intermarriage was rather encouraged by the Government-General of Korea under Nissen doso-ron (日鮮同祖論). See Eugenics in Showa Japan#Eugenics and Japanese expansionism.
# The 1945 Ordinance needs further examination. Firstly, the context of the quote from Bix's Hirohito isn't very clear. Someone needs to confirm if this is rightly quoted and used in the edit at issue as well as the primary source of it. Either way, Yoshikawa's contrary interpretation of the ordinance also should be mentioned. --Saintjust (talk) 19:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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