Talk:Military history of Afghanistan

message: The referenced New York Times and Washington Post articles say that the armed forces collapsed, not that they were disbanded. Collapse is used in the sense of desertion and abandonment of posts, not in the sense of abolition. To justify the past tense usage in this article, we would need to cite sources that clearly state that the armed forces no longer exist as a governmental agency. (Did the old government abolish the armed forces on the way out? Did the new Taliban government declare that there are no longer any armed forces? Unlikely.) Since the article refers to the history of Afghan forces through various governments and even prior to the 1919 treaty of independence, and it seems reasonable to presume that it is not the policy of the new Taliban government to lack a military force (even though its name and formal structure may not yet be established), the article should reflect the present legal status of the armed forces. Of course it would still be reasonable to detail the inability of the armed forces to be mobilized, given the absence of formal leadership and troops. TheFeds 19:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thankyou TheFeds. In this regard, I have also just rolled back a revert by  which somehow said the formation date of 1709 was "not sourced;" the source is Malleson, which was Note 7, now Note 1: . The history of the Taliban's armed force 1996-2001 is explained in a chapter of Giustozzi, The Army of Afghanistan, Hurst, 2015, and stepping broadly, one might expect the same general kinds of feudal, charasmatic, characteristics of warbands led by commanders to be replicated in the Taliban's new armed forces. Buckshot06 (talk) 19:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Those who served in the Afghan Armed Forces will be called back for duty and returned under the new Afghan government. The same aircraft, military vehicles, weapons, bases, gear, etc., will be used by them the same way they used them before. An inventory was made so that nothing goes missing. The Taliban forces you see in and around the bases are only there to guard the premises so that thieves and vandals don't go there.--39.41.79.238 (talk) 02:02, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past tense ("ceased to exist") 

message: Dear all,  wishes to change the article title to something indicating that this article, covering 1709-present, is only about 2002-2021. I have explained to him on his talkpage that there is a normal set of national armed forces articles ("Military of X," Military of New Zealand, for example) covering the *entire* history of all the armed forces of a country. There needs to be such an article for Afghanistan, which Military of Afghanistan can redirect to. In addition, reliable sources such as Giustozzi 2016 do not separate totally the armed forces of the Taliban from the history of the armed forces of Afghanistan- there's a chapter in Giustozzi's book covering the Taliban in normal chronological order. However, there is ample precedent for History of the Afghan Armed Forces 2002-2021 which would avoid breaking the normal pattern, and allow more detailed description about 2002 - 2021. 
I would like to propose that this article remain at Afghan Armed Forces. I will copy this notice to WT:MILHIST.
*No change - as nominator. Buckshot06 (talk) 07:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shifting to subarticle about 2002 - 2021 ? 

message: , there was no "Central Corps" in existence for the Taliban's army to take over/supercede in August 2021. The last existence of the Central Corps was in 2002-03, before it was replaced by the 201st Corps (Afghanistan). Buckshot06 (talk) 07:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Central Corps]] 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
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:Military of Afghanistan →  – Now that the Taliban have mastered the Afghan army, the Afghan military should be changed to Afghan military history like other countries to describe the military of Afghanistan in different eras, such as Military history of the United States or Military history of India Бмхүн (talk) 19:14, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose this issue has been discussed already. This page covers the Armed forces of Afghanistan from 1700s to now, and this page should be moved to Islamic Emirate Army - now Armed Forces of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan; it keeps getting renamed!!) - and certain portions of that page merged into it. Buckshot06 (talk) 23:54, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 3 May 2022 

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