Talk:Guitar Hero II/Archive 1

message: I'm sure that some of the page regulars will quickly notice that it appears that a significant amount of content has been removed from the page, though that is false. I have gone through the page and implemented the unstated information that once sat awkwardly and disjointed from the brunt of the article (so basically, the "Recent News" section ha) and deleted the content that had become obvious with the completion of the song list or didn't necessarily warrant statement because of it. (Notably, the larger omitted bands - Iron Maiden, Metallica, Led Zeppelin, U2, etc...) I hope that this is read and considered before anyone makes any hasty reverts due to percieved "vandalism", I made great efforts not to delete anything without first readjusting it in the article for greater readability.
There are still a few things that I don't necessarily feel deserve warranting in their own category, yet didn't want to completely remove without gathering a consensus.
*I don't believe that "Awards" needs to stand on its own as it does with a mere E3 award occupying the lone space. Could this be implemented into the article (possibly with the pretext?), or should it be deleted?
**I personally think that the Awards section will expand drastically following the release of the game; perhaps this section can be expanded to "Awards / critical reception" following release, I think we should just leave it for now as this will be nominated for and win plenty of awards. 12.217.119.186 02:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this has been confirmed by several reliable sources, and is noted in this article. The Kinslayer 20:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Not really, since all the songs are from what we have seen in released promotional material, so unless they also count as genuine spoilers, this shouldn't. The Kinslayer 20:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This doesnt really seem like a spoiler to me, why would it be when some of the songs are going to be on the back of the box anyways? i think ur trying to argue something pretty illogical... reviews, just about everything will have the song-list all over it. If people really dont want to know the songs, they would literally have to close their eyes and purchase the game, and quickly unwrap it and live in a cave until they beat the game or see all the songs themselves by the game. Cablebfg 02:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: There is no such thing as a "Mega Man theme," as in a theme song that's present in every Mega Man games or a theme just for Mega Man. All the games, especially the orginal Mega Man series, pretty much have their own self-contained music, apart from the early games using different arranged versions of the stage select music. Just a comment I thought I'd make. MySpace isn't working (no surprise there) so I can't see what song the Acro-Brats have posted on there. Oh well. 20:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Acro-brats did a song in Guitar Hero I.  Acro-brats has already written a cover for the Megaman theme, it's currently featured on their MySpace webpage.  The rumor was that the Megaman theme would be in Guitar Hero II.  How is this a tenuous connection again?  Fragasm 23:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The link was tenuous because the logic appeared to be that because they were in the first game, and had a song on their Myspace account, the rumour was probably true. Quite a leap of logic. The Kinslayer 23:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, take into account that I assumed the first comment regarding this rumor had no knowledge of an Acro-brats Megaman cover, is it still tenuous? Fragasm 23:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. The Kinslayer 08:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page Streamlining (10.25.06)

message: Do you guys think there will be any major label songs in the bonus tracks?  In the first Guitar Hero there was only unsigned or little known bands, correct?  I remember hearing somewhere that it would be different in GHII and some major bands would appear in the bonus unlocks.  165.79.13.191 20:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this has been confirmed by several reliable sources, and is noted in this article. The Kinslayer 20:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bonus Track Speculation

message: The Way The Songs Are Listed on Here I dont know if they should be listed as spoilers or not because its list the songs in the way in the game and if its anything like the first GH than thats kinda giving away the suprise of the whole game is it not?24.178.196.124 20:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, since all the songs are from what we have seen in released promotional material, so unless they also count as genuine spoilers, this shouldn't. The Kinslayer 20:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This doesnt really seem like a spoiler to me, why would it be when some of the songs are going to be on the back of the box anyways? i think ur trying to argue something pretty illogical... reviews, just about everything will have the song-list all over it. If people really dont want to know the songs, they would literally have to close their eyes and purchase the game, and quickly unwrap it and live in a cave until they beat the game or see all the songs themselves by the game. Cablebfg 02:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoilers?

message: 64 songs total, 40 licensed, according to http://www.britishgaming.co.uk/?p=1353 68.105.109.51 20:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Song Count

message: The latest (July 2006) issue of EGM has a rumor concerning the GH dev team adding the Mega Man theme into Guitar Hero as well as other anthemic video game tunes. Is this something that should be denoted in the article at this point? 
Charles M. Reed 23:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no such thing as a "Mega Man theme," as in a theme song that's present in every Mega Man games or a theme just for Mega Man. All the games, especially the orginal Mega Man series, pretty much have their own self-contained music, apart from the early games using different arranged versions of the stage select music. Just a comment I thought I'd make. MySpace isn't working (no surprise there) so I can't see what song the Acro-Brats have posted on there. Oh well. 20:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Acro-brats did a song in Guitar Hero I.  Acro-brats has already written a cover for the Megaman theme, it's currently featured on their MySpace webpage.  The rumor was that the Megaman theme would be in Guitar Hero II.  How is this a tenuous connection again?  Fragasm 23:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The link was tenuous because the logic appeared to be that because they were in the first game, and had a song on their Myspace account, the rumour was probably true. Quite a leap of logic. The Kinslayer 23:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, take into account that I assumed the first comment regarding this rumor had no knowledge of an Acro-brats Megaman cover, is it still tenuous? Fragasm 23:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. The Kinslayer 08:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: July 2006 EGM rumor

message: Anyone know anywhere if the game will be sold by it self, with the guitar, with a new guitar, etc. I think that's incredibly important and I'm really hoping I don't have to buy another guitar just to get the new game. H2P 06:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, according to Gamestop you can pre-order the "game only" version, so I think its safe to say it will be release bundled and unbundled. From what I've read unofficially, the guitar controller was expensive for Red Octane to produce, and to ship, so it makes business sense, as GH1 owners will be a big part of their customer base. ---Jackel 23:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guitar 

message: ::OPM editor Joe Rybicki's October 17th 1UP.com blog entry provides proof that the Green-Orange combination is going to be in the finished product via a co-op video of The Foo Fighters' "Monkey Wrench" (played on Expert mode, of course). Quite honestly, I hadn't really noticed that they were in the first game and I've played that one extensively. Ah well. As such, I've taken the line out of the article.Charles M. Reed 04:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You hadn't noticed them because they weren't in the first game. I don't know where information saying they were showed up. :\ GammaShade 21:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Likely that original source that claimed they wouldn't be in Guitar Hero II to begin with ha. I knew I wasn't crazy ha. Charles M. Reed 04:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Green-Orange Chords in GHII

message: Is there a specific place you have to preorder it to get the Cherry SG? - Sam 00:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Finding the information on a website would be the best option. I think people just saying 'My local shop says so.' would be too close to Original Research. The Kinslayer 15:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, all right, then. Thanks for clearing that up -- and if I may say, great work on this page so far, good sir. GammaShade 16:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't take any credit, I started helping quite late on, I mostly make sure statements are tagged for a source and watch for vandalism. The Kinslayer 17:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the comment because it wasn't cited and because acting like "My shop said" and "but MY shop said" would be beyond unverifiable information. Until it can be cited to a reputable source, perhaps we can have it on the Rumors section, but putting it in the Confirmed information section leads people to actually believe it is indeed true. Cablebfg 17:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, I kind of figured as much after a while, and after what The Kinslayer said, but thanks for explaining it. GammaShade 18:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preorder 

message: Thanks to the new preview trailer at Best Buy's website for Guitar Hero II, we can all rest easy knowing that indeed, the Slash lookalike seen in the Sweet Child O' Mine video is none other than Izzy Sparks with a new look.  Izzy is seen without his hat in the characters preview of the trailer, but a look at his icon on the select a character screen shows Izzy wearing the aforementioned Slash-like hat.  Jryder 04:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Slash" = Izzy Sparks 

message: * In an issue of OPM (Official Playstation Magazine) RedOctane commented, "Don't be suprised to find some Tenacious D in the game."
* In the new issue of OPM (Official Playstation Magazine), it mentions "Killing in the Name" by Rage Against the Machine as one of the songs in the game. It is yet to be confirmed by RedOctane. 
** Survival mode, the features of which have not been confirmed yet but have been rumored to either involve playing as long as possible without missing a note or failing a song.
** Handicapped versus mode, allowing one player to drop to a lower difficulty in order to level the playing field, the actual play likely being similar to co-op mode. <-------- This rumor has been confirmed I think I saw it in an IGN video. 
: The rumors above have been removed from the article until specific references can be provided.  Rather than say "In the latest issue of..." any given magazine, please WP:CITE the actual issue and page number(s) for these comments.  Thanks, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 16:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced rumors 

message: Is that a particular reason that each song has been individually cited, to the point of redunancy in some cases, rather than offering one convenient link (like say, this one) that offers a list of them?
:I don't know the reason why, but I did take off every single reference, save for the end.  It cleaned up the article a bit. Zaver 07:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the subject of included songs, it would seem that  Every Time I Die's "The New Black" shouldn't be on the confirmed list. Despite being stated by the band's frontman earlier this summer, RedOctane has yet to insinuate that the song has even been considered for inclusion. Digging even deeper (thanks to a comment over at Joystiq), I discovered a Kotaku story about this very topic in which an "insider at Harmonix" basically nixes the idea completely.  Found here
I'm going to at least remove the song from the "Confirmed Songs" list at the present, and if someone can cite a list that actually includes this song or some information from a reputable source, than please add it back.Charles M. Reed 08:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Heh, I thought it already was on the list! The Kinslayer 20:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Song Citations

message: There seems to be a lot of 'confirmed' information that is uncited. Specifically, the game modes, as well as stuff like the three button chords. Can anyone get the sources for them? I would, but I only have net access in work , and Wiki is the only site I can access through the net filter! The Kinslayer 11:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncited Confirmed Information 

message: People keep adding unconfirmed songs to get the fans of the band up and it's starting to get annoying... Please protect this page so this can't happen.
12.182.43.173 23:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no real need. It's easy enough to deal with. No citation = deletion. Hardly worth making a fuss over. I monitor it nearly 7.5 hours a day in work as it is! (Beats actually doing the work! :) )The Kinslayer 08:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

text: My bad, we DO need this page protecting, some people are constantly adding unconfirmed songs to the list today. The Kinslayer 14:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection Request 

message: Does anyone think we should list the artists who have been confirmed not being in Guitar Hero 2? There are two charts in the EGM issue mentioned in this article listing several artists not in the game. Part of this is already in the article, but should we give the rest its own section?
 Valdiir
:I think that would be a bad idea. We have enough trouble with people adding random artists to the confirmed list. With this, people are just gonna add any old crap and be technicly right. It's an invitation to spamdalise. The Kinslayer 08:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artists Not in the Game 

message: According to MTV, Tool have also been in negotiations with RedOctane to be in Guitar Hero II. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1531583/20060511/tool.jhtml
This link does not quote anything of the sort, nor is it anywhere in MTV's news archive. Google's cache only has this phrase pointing to the link (from wikipedia), archive.org has no cache of the news post either.
I believe this should come out of External Links and Rumours etc unless someone can provide a current link. Daggoth S 01:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tool? (External links)

message: I've removed the CVU templates Kinslayer added. While he is a member of the CVU, so it's technically correct, I don't think it's a good idea to make the implication that people adding not-very-confirmed songs to the confirmed songs list is 'vandalism'. (See Wikipedia:Vandalism#What_vandalism_is_not) It seems to be just an honest mistake, so let's not make people angry about this.
I've added a comment to the confirmed songs list, so hopefully that will make things better. It would also be helpful to have a clearer criteria for what a 'confirmed' song is, to clear up some potential confusion.--Fangz 13:59, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In point of fact, it's just happened right now. The Kinslayer 14:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assuming Good Faith 

message: i edited the "not in yet" part out yesterday, and now it's back up. this is obviously a developer's message, and not part of the title of the song. i'm going to edit it out again. 10:53, 6 october 2006 (UTC)
::its not part of the song name, but, it is important to note this as it was a developer's note... ill concede for now, but please dont just remove it without giving a reason... Cablebfg 15:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cherry Pie (not in yet) 

message: At least at Border's at CambridgeSide Mall in Cambridge, MA ...because i have it in my hot little hands.
::Its not just u, tons of people are getting them daily, you just have to find the right place... Cablebfg 20:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone know when the UK gets a GH2 demo? I just checkd my local shops snd the November issue of OPM doesn't have the demo, and the net isn't giving me any help! The Kinslayer 14:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  OPM #110/Demo 10/10/06 "Street Date" Broken 

message: I just noticed the Rockabilly characters name is back to King Kendall! Last I knew it had been changed to a different name by Harmonix. Does anyone have any more information about this? The Kinslayer 10:14, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The latest builds out there has his name as Eddie Knox (like the GameSpot preview), but since the demo (which I suspect is actually from a pre-E3 build) has his old name on it, you're gonna get a lot of people coming ind and saying "Wait, that's not right, my demo says Kendall. I'll just fix this...". David Thrax 19:30, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we properly cite it, and STILL people edit it to their liking, then we will just have revert it to its CURRENTLY correct form... Cablebfg 19:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I Think we'll have to accept that we're gonna be fixing this until the games released. The Kinslayer 20:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: King Kendall is the nickname for one of the artists at Harmonix.  He did the guitar modelling in the first game, voiced the tutorial and sang the title track as a member of Monkey Steals the Peach.  He was also the lead singer of the punk-influenced rockabilly band The Amazing Royal Crowns which would likely make him the basis for the rockabilly character in the game prior to settling on a name for the final build.Choice77 02:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting yet irelevantm as the confirmed name in the final song is Eddie Knox. The Kinslayer 20:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  King Kendall? 

message: Does anyone think we should add a characters section? Since the original eight have been confirmed, and there are minamally 3 new guitarists that we know of, should they get their own section, instead of a brief mention in the first part? 
Valdiir
:We dont know NEARLY enough about any of the characters to justify a character section, especially the characters that HAVENT been confirmed of yet (King Kendall and TJ Laws names keep fluctuating)... dont look for things to do just to do them, we can wait. Cablebfg 02:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I think the girl's name is Casie Lynch now 65.35.223.108 05:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I could find out too. I'd advise waiting until the games released so that we have concrete evidence for including the information. The Kinslayer 11:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: The 40 songs and their positions in the list were released the other day, but this page still has the old list.  Could someone who's registered and with better wiki skills than I update with the official song list?  Thanks.
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/737/737921p1.html
::This page has had the song list up since early yesterday. Thanks for another source though! The Kinslayer 08:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I put the songlist up sometime yesterday, almost as soon as it was revealed on IGN. Currently however, there seems to be some dispute over the tracklists as Gamespot and IGN have conflicting set-lists. Cablebfg 19:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You sure? I just cross-checked them and they match exactly? The Kinslayer 21:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, they're all simpatico. With the exception of 1up.com's original omission of Wolfmother, I can't recall a problem with the reports of the final setlist at all. (Well, except for "The Sword" being listed as "Sword" everywhere... A minor personal gripe though ha.)Charles M. Reed 21:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not the actual songs that dont match, its the order of them in their designated set-lists.Cablebfg 22:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, pedantry. We won't know for sure until the games released. So I guess we'll have to settle in for some minor edit warring, until the game is out and settles things. The Kinslayer 22:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official songlist is out 

message: Quite honestly, removing that section in its entirety would help alievate the process of transforming this article from one concerning a future occurance and an occurance that has already passed. Considering each of the remaining rumors have either been proven true or, at the least, proven to have to basis or merit, I can't legitimately think of why it should remain in the article. Therefore, I'm going to remove it. If anyone has any objections, feel free to voice them and/or revert my changes I suppose. Charles M. Reed 02:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of Rumors/Unconfirmed

message: I came across this picture http://www.photodump.com/direct/bjeaves/DSC00053.jpg , supposedly taken at a walmart (evidenced by the "low prices" sign with the smiley face in the TV's reflection), but can it be trusted? It seems to be real, or an extremely good fake.Cheezymadman 05:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See above, http://forum.guitarherogame.com/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=7713. I know this isn't really the place for it, but OMGWTF! The original song which this'll be based on is here.Daggoth S 08:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's the version from the Strong Bad Sings CD, with the Squeedly vs. Meedly solo. Cheezymadman 20:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trogdor theme song? 

message: Apperently they're retailing wireless controller at the price of 59.99. Source: http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/10/27/guitar-hero-official-wireless-controllers-announced-for-november-7.htm
I'm not quite sure if it's "Up to par" as far as how valid it is. So, I'll leave it up to you good folks to judge it. Moterola 22:48 October 27 2006
::Ur a bit late, i already added information and provided 2 reliable sources. RO even has a product page up now.Cablebfg 19:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New information about Guitar Hero Controllers 

message: The four demo songs are playable in "quickplay" in all difficulty levels.  Despite what the article says, co-op mode is NOT available on my demo disc.
songs are: 
  "Shout at the Devil" - Motley crue
  "You Really Got Me" - Van Halen
  "Strutter" - KISS
  "YYZ" - Rush
* Co-Op mode is available, but you must have 2 SG controllers plugged in to see the option.  I have the same demo disc.  - NickSentowski 16:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have the U.S. Playstation Magazine Demo disc in my hands. 

message: Sorry about that. I didn't know the A string thing was directly from the site. It doesn't make any sense, but *shrugs* - JNighthawk 22:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't believe I've ever broken an A string (considering how thick they are, that seems easier said than done), but then again, I only tend to have problems with the G string ha. But I suppose RedOctane's guitars rock way more than either of ours, so they probably do go through several A strings an hour. Charles M. Reed 22:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, that's really stupid of them to say. Maybe they have special high A strings. DrSatan 02:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It says E within the game. --Deadman1848 09:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Good to know. DrSatan 21:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  E string / A string 

message: What's this whole rhythm/bass thing for co-op mode? It doesn't make sense reading it, to me. - JNighthawk 16:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, since it's unsourced and its accuracy is suspect, I've removed it for now. GammaShade 00:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rhythm/Bass 

message: Since the game has been released, should we remove some of the information that is no longer relevant? (e.g., the sentence about more in-game liscened products expected) Valdiir 23:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated Information 

message: Do we need the descriptions? Besides being possibly copyvio, they are not written in an encyclopedic manner.--Drat (Talk) 09:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As no one has commented otherwise I am removing the descriptions for the above reasons.--Drat (Talk) 07:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character descriptions 

message: San we double check that, it's just that I picked up my copy of the game yesterday and i'm in Spain, which would normally count as europe, which the article claims won't be out until next week. Of course i realise that many shops don't give a monkey's about release dates, but there we are--Shadebug 19:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should check to see if we can find out if other countries had it on the same day. I fmost of them did, then I think it should be changed, but if it was just (for example) Spain, and the rest of the countries had it released next week, then it should stay. The Kinslayer 16:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  European release