Talk:Iran/Archive 3

message: Also, if there are any newcomers that intend to edit and make contribs on a regular basis, please let me know, leave me a message, or email me. We have a BIG need and deficiency in Iranian editors on WP. I cant edit everything all by myself. We need help.--Zereshk 22:38, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need help 

message: Attention all Iran related photo uploaders:
We all know that Wikipedia judges qualification to displaying images based on US copyright law. And the US does not recognize, hold up, honor, or have any copyright relations with Iran, as stipulated here.
However, there are administrators out there (including Iranian ones) that WILL erase the photos that you upload, no matter how nice, important, and safe they seem for uploading, if they dont have the proper tagging.
If you didnt take the photo yourself, and if the photo's source is from Iran, and if you decide to use the Fairuse tag, please use the following tags to ensure that your photo doesnt get erased:
{ { fairusein| the page you are using the image in } }
{ { OCILLA } }
That should keep your images safe.--Zereshk 07:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are using a "fairusein" tag, it is also advisable to create a fair use rationale, which will make it near impossible for your image to be deleted without notification and a chance for you to respond. --Wikiacc (talk) 21:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Save your images from deletion with proper tagging 

message: Currently the editing of the Baha'i Faith entry (and related entries) is dominated by Baha'is, who take the opportunity to downplay criticisms and in general slant their information in predictable directions. Please consider this a call for non-Baha'i editors to come have a look at the site, and help ensure balance. Thank you. Dawud 10:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for editing help with "Baha'i Faith"

message: The page West Azarbaijan is having some POV problems. The text is a bit biased toward Kurdish secessionist views (downplaying the Azaris there). For those interested, please address it as you see fit. Thanx all.--Zereshk 23:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Diyako, give it a rest. Everyone here (except you) knows that saying such things as: "70% of West Azarbaijan are Kurdish" is ridiculous.--Zereshk 22:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesnt say 70% are Kurdish.--Zereshk 22:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Attention Iranian page editors

message: Request mediation for article West Azerbaijan. User:Zereshk keeps putting unverified (+ protected) tagg for no acceptable reason regarding the Kurds in Northern part of the province, despite of numerous credible sources. Thank you.
Diyako Talk + 02:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The [[Kurds]] in [[West Azerbaijan]] Province of [[Iran]]

message: The changes made by user:Wikiacc to the Iran page are wayyyyyy too drastic. The format of the page was something that numerous editors had agreed on. 
Wikiacc has taken out sections completely, deleted key internal links (keeping links that do not really matter), and watered down the page significantly. The section on the government (with the sub-sections) needs to be restored definitely. We based the page's design on the United States article.
Compare the page the United States to the new page of Iran and you will see that it compares very little now, with the changes made by Wikiacc.--Zereshk 22:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See reply at User talk:Zereshk. --Wikiacc (talk) 23:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiacc's unilateral changes to the page

message: Also, if there are any newcomers that intend to edit and make contribs on a regular basis, please let me know, leave me a message, or email me. We have a BIG need and deficiency in Iranian editors on WP. I cant edit everything all by myself. We need help.--Zereshk 22:38, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need help 

message: Attention all Iran related photo uploaders:
We all know that Wikipedia judges qualification to displaying images based on US copyright law. And the US does not recognize, hold up, honor, or have any copyright relations with Iran, as stipulated here.
However, there are administrators out there (including Iranian ones) that WILL erase the photos that you upload, no matter how nice, important, and safe they seem for uploading, if they dont have the proper tagging.
If you didnt take the photo yourself, and if the photo's source is from Iran, and if you decide to use the Fairuse tag, please use the following tags to ensure that your photo doesnt get erased:
{ { fairusein| the page you are using the image in } }
{ { OCILLA } }
That should keep your images safe.--Zereshk 07:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are using a "fairusein" tag, it is also advisable to create a fair use rationale, which will make it near impossible for your image to be deleted without notification and a chance for you to respond. --Wikiacc (talk) 21:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Save your images from deletion with proper tagging 

message: Currently the editing of the Baha'i Faith entry (and related entries) is dominated by Baha'is, who take the opportunity to downplay criticisms and in general slant their information in predictable directions. Please consider this a call for non-Baha'i editors to come have a look at the site, and help ensure balance. Thank you. Dawud 10:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for editing help with "Baha'i Faith"

message: The page West Azarbaijan is having some POV problems. The text is a bit biased toward Kurdish secessionist views (downplaying the Azaris there). For those interested, please address it as you see fit. Thanx all.--Zereshk 23:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Diyako, give it a rest. Everyone here (except you) knows that saying such things as: "70% of West Azarbaijan are Kurdish" is ridiculous.--Zereshk 22:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesnt say 70% are Kurdish.--Zereshk 22:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Attention Iranian page editors

message: The changes made by user:Wikiacc to the Iran page are wayyyyyy too drastic. The format of the page was something that numerous editors had agreed on. 
Wikiacc has taken out sections completely, deleted key internal links (keeping links that do not really matter), and watered down the page significantly. The section on the government (with the sub-sections) needs to be restored definitely. We based the page's design on the United States article.
Compare the page the United States to the new page of Iran and you will see that it compares very little now, with the changes made by Wikiacc.--Zereshk 22:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See reply at User talk:Zereshk. --Wikiacc (talk) 23:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiacc's unilateral changes to the page

message: Clearly this isn't a "factbook" type of article; it includes current events relevant to Iran, and topics of debate. So, the question is...
Why are there no pictures showing the smog that causes Tehran to shut down?
Why are there no pictures of the radicals burning American and Israeli flags?
Why are there no pictures of the millions of impoverished?
Why are there no pictures of the public executions?
Why does the article make Iran look like an acceptable society?
Haizum 20:23, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the smog isnt there all the time. Do we see smog pics on Los Angeles?--Zereshk 22:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why dont we see pictures of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson?--Zereshk 22:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Because there are millions others who are not impovershied.--Zereshk 22:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Same for the United States.--Zereshk 22:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Because this is not propaganda page.--Zereshk 22:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Why are the images for this article obviously biased?

message: Clearly this isn't a "factbook" type of article; it includes current events relevant to Iran, and topics of debate. So, the question is...
Why are there no pictures showing the smog that causes Tehran to shut down?
::Because the smog isnt there all the time. Do we see smog pics on Los Angeles?--Zereshk 22:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why dont we see pictures of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson?--Zereshk 22:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because there are millions others who are not impovershied.--Zereshk 22:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Same for the United States.--Zereshk 22:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Because this is not propaganda page.--Zereshk 22:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Zereshk's answer

message: 1. You have no business making alterations to my posts. If you have a point you want to make, do it in your own space.
2. If you can't see how your previous comments are "tu quoque" fallacies, then you have no business contributing.
(just because there is smog in LA, doesn't mean there isn't smog in Tehran.)
(btw, LA has never had to shut down completely due to smog, Tehran has)
Haizum 03:25, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: Zereshk

message: Short snappy answer:
:Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make whatever changes you feel are needed.  Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. You don't even need to log in! (Although there are some reasons why you might like to…) The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome.
Longer answer:
Why are there no pictures showing the smog that causes Tehran to shut down?
:Because this is the overview article for the country. There's an article for Tehran, with a section devoted to transportation, where such images could be added—assuming freely-licensed images can be found. There's also a section on environmental issues in Geography of Iran, where such a picture would no doubt be a welcome addition. —Charles P. (Mirv) 04:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because there are no freely-licensed images available? Because Culture of Iran is a better place for them? Remember that the cultural history of Iran runs back around 1400 years (farther if you don't assume a significant cultural break after the Islamic conquest), and the last few decades, while in the forefront of many people's minds, are not exactly representative. —Charles P. (Mirv) 04:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Maybe there are no freely-licensed images available? Maybe such photos belong on Economy of Iran? Maybe for the same reason that there are no pictures of trailer parks or Detroit slums on United States? What do you think? —Charles P. (Mirv) 04:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Possibly there are no freely-licensed images available. If you can find one I'm sure a place can be found for it. —Charles P. (Mirv) 04:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Why should the article make Iran look like an unacceptable society? We're supposed to be aiming for a neutral point of view, remember? —Charles P. (Mirv) 04:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  re: images 

message: :Why should the article make Iran look like an unacceptable society? We're supposed to be aiming for a neutral point of view, remember?
The article shouldn't make Iran look like anything; it should be up to the reader to decide, which is why I call the featured pictures into question: they do not accurately portray the country by any stretch.
Haizum 05:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yes, but presenting that level of information on a country of 68 million people and 1.6 million km² would take far more photographs than we can fit in an article of this size, or indeed any article. Eventually editorial judgement will come into it. Loading this overview article with photos of choking smog, burning flags, millions of impoverished, and public executions—that's hardly an accurate portrayal of the country either. I'd say the same if (for example) someone were to decide that the United States article really needed photographs of the Chesapeake Bay dead zone, the 1968 Democratic National Convention, the slums of Detroit or Baltimore, and Abu Ghraib. —Charles P. (Mirv) 05:14, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanx Charles. You nailed it. Back to contributing. :) --Zereshk 08:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: . . . though this photo just seems so appropriate to the section on foreign relations of the United States :). but I'm not going to add it. —Charles P. (Mirv) 15:23, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Rofl!--Striver 01:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: Charles P.

message: Sorry I'm somewhat new to editing. Anyway, I was the one who has been deleting the drug information from the economy section. I just don't see why it should be covered in a "economy" section. I mean Iranians eat rice and bread alot. Yet such information is never covered on any basis with respect to particular products. Anyway, that's it. Thank you for your time. 
CyrusIII 23:36, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerning the Economy Section