Talk:Spanish-based creole languages

message: Mention Papiamento, Chamorro and Palenque. -- Error 02:27, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. thank you. Optim 04:31, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: On 24 November 2003, Wikipedia user Sayeya added the following content in an article titled Creole from Spanish or Machaco language:
it is a language that is been from the bad form to speak and to write the Castilian language of the Real Academy of the Spanish Language, and which has regional contributions that are creation of the people of the different departments that conform to Colombia. it is simply the Creole form to speak to the español.pero difference in his ortografia and gramatica in many subjects, although also in others it is resembled, not so single to the Spanish, but to Gallego(but this similarity is accidental, since as lejania geografica between both languages is obvious is much, but in which another word exists the similarity ) and the Colombian indigenas languages from which it takes many but words from which normally it takes the Spanish from the Real Academy of the Spanish Language, at the present time the dialectos have a dictionary of dialectologias elaborated by the expensive institute and crow of Colombia that condenses it in 6 great and fat volumes affluent.
Now (Feb-2004) the text above is moved to Talk:Spanish Creole/Creole from Spanish or Machaco language and acts as a redirect to Spanish Creole. The reason for the move was the proposed deletion of the Creole from Spanish or Machaco language article and the desired preservation of its page history by Optim.
On December 22, 2003, user TUF-KAT voted to delete the page because it was nonsense.
Soon after the page listed in Votes for Deletion, user Optim rewrote the text above in proper English. Because of not enough free time, he was based only on information given in the original nonsense text (see above). Optim's text is as follows:
Creole from Spanish or Machaco language is a language originated from a merge of the Castilian (Spanish) language of the Real Academy of the Spanish Language and various linguistic elements from Colombia. It is simply the Creole form of Spanish. There are differences in the spelling (orthography) and grammar and it's also similar to Galician (Gallego) in some manner. But this similarity is accidental. It has many elements from the indigenous Colombian languages. Currently Spanish Creole has a dictionary published in Colombia (?) in six volumes (?).
User Optim theorized that Machaco is either the name of this Creole language or the name of some native Colombians. After some search on the web, user Optim found nothing useful about Machako (also tried with alternative spellings). User Optim thought that Machaco may be a Spanish word, so he used AltaVista's Babel Fish Translation Service and found that the Spanish word Machaco means "I crush" in English. Optim asked JorgeGG on #wikipedia and got the answer "(Machako) from machacar (verb) to crush, make dust, to insist in something. Yo machaco, tu machacas, el machaca, nosotros machacamos, vosotros machacais, ellos machacan. present tense".
On December 23, 2003, Optim decided to move the information here, so he created the article Spanish Creole.
At User_talk:Sayeya Optim found this message regarding user Sayeya: This user is a native Spanish speaker and can't speak English at all. His contributions consist mainly of crude translations from the Spanish Wikipedia (mostly of articles he wrote) using the on-line translator at http://babel.altavista.com, and therefore should be kept an eye on. Pilaf 23:29, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Temporary Content

message: *Creole from Spanish or Machaco language -- ostensibly English, but I can't understand a word.  Has something to do with Spanish dialects. Tuf-Kat 04:42, Dec 22, 2003 (UTC)
**The article is awful but I suggest to keep it. Maybe Spanish Creole would be a better title. Someone MUST perform a rewrite ASAP (well if I have time, I will do it, but I cannot say for sure). Some links from google, I dont know if all of them are relevant but may be useful to somebody who is going to rewrite the article: , , , , , , , , , , . Peace Profound. Optim 05:11, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  From VFD: 

message: Is español de cocina the same as Chabacano?-- Error 00:15, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Español de cocina

message: I noticed that on the list of Quechua Hispanicisms.  Is it a typo for "irmanu"?  —JerryFriedman 20:24, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  iramnu 

message: Are you sure that Macaense has ever had a Spanish substrate?
Where?
--Error 04:12, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Macaense chapado

message: I think that it would be nice to make an other section for other languages (that are not creoles) very influenced by Spanish such as Chamorro, Quechua, Taglog and other Phillippine languages, like in the Spanish Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.16.159.13 (talk) 19:52, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Spanish-influenced languages 

message: I removed the following unreferenced section:	
:Nigerian Pidgin is a creole language spoken in Nigeria, based on English. The Spanish influence can be seen, as Spanish slave ships traded off the coast of Nigeria. One example is the Nigerian word "sabi", which means "to know", which comes from the Portuguese and Spanish words "saber", which have the same meaning.
A Portuguese influence is much more probable than a Spanish one.
Please provide references and non-Portuguese examples.
--Error (talk) 02:08, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nigerian Pidgin 

message: According to linguist Bart Jacob:
"Ever since Lenz’ (1928) pioneering description of [Papiamentu], its mixed Spanish-Portuguese vocabulary has provoked heavy debate.  Lenz’ plea for [Papiamentu]’s Afro-Portuguese origins (“Su gramática … es ‘negro-portuguesa’ en primer lugar”...) received support from prominent scholars such as Navarro Tomás (1953), Van Wijk (1958), Valkhoff (1966) and Voorhoeve (1973), but linguists defending [Papiamentu]’s Spanish roots (e.g., Maduro 1965, 1966, 1969, DeBose 1975 or Rona 1976) have been similarly numerous. That the debate is far from settled is noted by Lipski...who asserts that up to present “scholars are … evenly divided as to the Spanish vs. Portuguese origins of Papiamento" ("The Upper Guinea Origins of Papiamentu: Linguistic and Historical Evidence", Diachronica 26 [2009], pg. 320)
For his part, Jacobs does think, Papiamentu stems from a Portuguese-based creole spoken in West Africa.  But, . . . that is his thesis.
The experts -- as he himself admits above -- are still divided 50-50, however.  This entry, therefore, should not be stating the Portuguese-origin theory as if it were fact.  There is an argument, accepted by many linguists, that Papiamentu is indeed a Spanish-based creole.Mwidunn (talk) 19:21, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Papiamentu's Base Language Is Still Disputed