Talk:David Suzuki/Archive 1

message: I've removed the letters placed after his name.  First, the honours are given in detail in the article, and other Wikipedia articles don't list honours in the summary in this way; secondly, the degrees were not only in the wrong order (indeed, the honours should go after the degrees), but they're not used with the prefix "Dr" — it's one or the other, never both. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 10:40, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Letters

message: This is all very nice but I have been listening to David since I was somewhere around nineteen, which would be in 1979. The deal is VERY simple. David is not respected as a scientist. More importantly he is not respected as a science journalist. On the CBC program Quirks and Quarks he truly embarrassed himself by his ignorance of elementary physics. This was early on. Later he started a column in the Toronto Globe & Mail about science that he was very quickly booted off. Would somebody back me up here? I don't want to go deeply into this; yet I promise you, David is a really nice guy, but he is a major pot-smoking dork when it comes to science. Write me nasty letters if you disagree! (I am sorry for him and you but t'ain't right that he should be regarded as he is :-(    )
Seminumerical 20:15, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This claim was once added to the article without references. A clear violation of WP:BLP, it was soon deleted. The solution here is very simple: provide a verifiable, authoritative source. Victoriagirl 01:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This is All Very Nice But

message: I just removed part of the article which was taken from . That's probably not the only questionable part. Parudox 14:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article quality

message: This article definitely needs a list of his books. That's what I came here for and was disappointed not to find it.--Ibis3 13:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography? 

message: This article is unsourced. It also reads like a puff piece. There is considerable criticism available of Suzuki's use of his scientific credentials to far over-step his knowledge, especially in areas like climate change. 209.217.75.244 21:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The user provides no sources of information to back up his statement. It appears the his/her sole contribution is the placing of tags (on this article and others), and to delete from a talk page an entry placed by another . I suggest the tags be removed and encourage discussion. Victoriagirl 21:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed that the article lacks references, a flaw that is easy enough to repair. What I question is the neutrality tag and the accompanying statement concerning his "knowledge". Others have made similar criticisms, yet have provided nothing in the way of information. Perhaps you would care to clarify the matter by indicating what it is precisely that you find objectionable. Perhaps some examples of what you describe as the "considerable criticism" of Suzuki might be provided. As it stands, the criticism contains little more information or substance than the not notable speedy deletion tags  applied earlier today. Victoria 02:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SOFIXIT   semper fictilis 21:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, 209.217.75.244, what is is precisely that you find objectionable? I look forward to the answer, as I do the reasons why Party Favours, a book by a prominent political strategist and engendered over a dozen news stories (not to mention reviews) upon its release, would be considered not notable. Similarly, I can't help but question why it is that the article on Mark Bourrie (an award-winning journalist with ten books to his credit), the subject of two failed AfD nominations (both of which resounding failures), would even be considered eligable for speedy deletion. Victoriagirl 21:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality and sources

message: I followed the reference 6 for "Gold Standard carbon offsets were purchased
by the David Suzuki Foundation for all bus travel and tour activities."
but I couldn't find a statement of this claim.
Can someone double-check this? Alwayswiththequestions 04:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help check this reference. 

message: I have removed the following sentence from the "Controversy" section:
In response to this statement Tom Brodbeck, columnist for Winnipeg SunSuck it up, Suzuki, and Joseph C. Ben-Ami,  Executive Director of the Institute for Canadian ValuesGlobal warming charlatan, noticed that David Suzuki Foundation annual report 2005/2006 David Suzuki Foundation Annual Report 05/06 lists among the foundation sponsors 52 corporations, including Toyota, ATCO Gas, an Alberta-based natural gas distributor, EnCana Corporation, a world leader in natural gas production and oil sands development and OPG, one of the largest suppliers of electricity in the world operating 5 fossil fuel-burning generation plants and 3 nuclear plants.
This sentence, recently added by 216.240.13.13, is similar in content and structure to one currently being debated
by 216.240.13.13 and others in the David Suzuki Foundation discussion page. In fact, the David Suzuki Foundation article is currently under protection due to a dispute as to whether or not it meets WP:OR and WP:V. In order to avoid a similar debate in to different articles, I suggest that the sentence should not be include here until this issue is settled. Victoriagirl 16:55, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: John Oakley interview - yet again

message: Why is there no discussion of the severe criticism of his research and activism? Vividfan (talk) 23:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have citable criticisms from appropriate sources, please add them to the appropriate part of the article. —GrantNeufeld (talk) 00:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: A person or persons with IP 142.68.14.223 (talk) and IP 209.217.79.47 (talk) have repeatedly re-inserted the above section and a "neutrality" tag to the article. When I moved the section here for discussion, they deleted it. It is my view that any further such edits to the article by this user, or users, should be treated as vandalism until there is resolution on this page. Sunray (talk) 03:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism, disruptive edits and sockpuppetry

message: i think this article should have a list of all the books written by david suzuki as well as alot more detail about his early life. For example david suzuki got a university degree studying the fruit fly and he was forced to leave the town he lived in many times. this is because the incident at pearl harbour made every body hate anyone that even looked japanese.the overall of this page is good but it needs some work! my source was from a movie i watched in grade ten religion all amout him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.233.207 (talk • contribs) 23 December 2007 
:Thanks for you comments. I agree that it would be good to add details about his early life and particularly his internment as a child. The article is semi-protected at the moment (which means that only those with user accounts can edit), but if you would like to add something below, we could add it to the article. A summary about his internment with this link Japanese Canadian internment would add interesting information to the article, as would a list of his books. Sunray (talk) 17:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  books by david suzuki 

message: Substituted at 14:38, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: It seems to a lot of the wikipedia community that the label "East Asian" in the info box is overwhelmingly vague and inappropriate so far as ethnicity or ethnic origin is concerned. The Far East isn't a ethnic nation after all, but an extremely ethnically diverse region of billions of people from totally disparate cultures. I'm not sure what Wikipedia's conventions are concerning this, but wouldn't simply "Japanese" or "Japanese-Canadian" be more accurate?--24.36.128.14 (talk) 21:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I heartily disagree in some respects (though I agree that being specific about a known fact is preferable on Wikipedia, so in terms of changing anything my point here is moot) -- both of the above comments seem to ignore the fact that the rest of the world gets grouped accordingly (and, in many ways, equally erroneously). Because I'm white I get both "European" and "Caucasian".  This groups me (a second-generation Canadian, ethnically a British mutt) in the same category as (for example) Turks, Croats, Slovaks, and Russians. All linguistically, culturally, even ethnically different. A double whammy is that only two of those I listed (Turks and SOME Russians) are ACTUALLY FROM the Caucasus. "African" is an acceptable demonym for people from that continent, despite the fact that many of the countries there are also culturally and linguistically distinct from each other. "Latin America" applies to every country in South America, and much of central america to boot. 99.244.230.178 (talk) 03:54, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: how many generations does it take, before the label "japanese" is dropped? it seems, in the case of east asians, forever. my parents are german immigrants and my kids would never be called german-canadians. not even i'm called a german-canadian. suzuki is canadian, plain and simple, unless he has dual citizenship.Sundar1 (talk) 11:11, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: David's ethnicity as "East Asian"

message: Discussion on Suzuki's remarkable carbon footprint is needed in this article. Does anybody have a photo of his house in the rich area of Vancouver. This would be a great addition to the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homeboy100 (talk • contribs) 04:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And the sockpuppetry goes on... Sunray (talk) 20:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: BackTalk

message: ::Saturday, Dec. 9's National Post had some serious criticisms about Suzuki, especially his call -- at McMaster, U of T and McGill-- for the jailing of politicians who don't do enough to fight climate change. So, where will this go in the bio? 209.217.75.69 (talk) 20:08, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This information was added to the article three days ago. Victoriagirl (talk) 20:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

text: It sounds like he said something like "they should be held legally responsible," and the National Post (ptooey) seized the opportunity to attack him. Let's have more than one biased source please. <eleland/talkedits> 23:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added coverage of Suzuki's remarks by the McGill Daily. Sunray (talk) 00:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jailing politicians and other er, "controversial" ideas

message: Any criticism of Suzuki, while alive, must come from very reliable sources, and be given in due proportion. Suzuki is notable for lots of things, and criticism shouldn't be given undue weight.Bless sins (talk) 21:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: I recall a television interview with him on CBC where he said he was a conservative: this is accurate in that he wants to see a national heritage (ie, nature) maintained.POV: while Suzuki may suffer from overkill in his criticisms and claims, he's right when he says people can and should reduce energy consumption. For example: use your car (if you have one) only when necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.156.43.8 (talk) 
:The label "conservative" is a buzz word that means different things in different places and times. It can be used to describe anybody in some way. It generally means "someone who favours tradition". Does that describe Suzuki? In some ways 'yes', in some ways 'no'. maclean 00:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Suzuki: a conservative

message: Hey all, after a loooooong hiatus on Wikipedia, I was reading some of the info on Suzuki, checked it out (found it hard to believe no corporations sponsor the David Suzuki foundation), and hey! presto, my first edit in two years.  I just felt it worthwhile to add that the Suzuki foundation receives corporate sponsorship, counter to his claim it did not.  It's not criticism - it's just fact.  I reference the Suzuki Foundation's annual report, from their site, so I know it's not rigged.  Felt it was notable some corporate contributors were actually gas/oil sands/natural gas/power generation companies, affiliates, or derivatives.  I noticed it was reverted, then the revert was reverted, so thought I'd pop a note on the discussion board.  Cheerio!DonaNobisPacem (talk) 05:59, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  corporate sponsorship of David Suzuki foundation 

message: How about some info on Suzuki's family?  So far as I know he has at least 5 kids, well above the national average.  And what about his irrational ranting in the "debate" with Rushton?  This guy is not St. Suzuki, folks, although the article sure wants it to look that way.  04:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What kind of puff piece is this? 

message: He started his broadcasting career in 1971 not 1970, no big deal just thought i should throw it out there.
Omysillygoose (talk) 22:10, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Small Error-a date

message: Another small error, but one that should be corrected.  The man, after all, is a legitimately degreed zoologist, and his textbook An Introduction to Genetic Analysis is in its sixth edition at least, according to the CBC bio.  Admittedly, he is credited with his U. Chicago Ph.D. in the main body of the article; but the sidebar should be complete.  Even his citation on promotion to Companion of the Order of Canada lists him now as "C.C., O.B.C., Ph.D."
Harper (talk) 16:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing Suzuki's Ph.D. in sidebar box

message: Add :Category:Sustainability advocates 99.190.88.247 (talk) 18:28, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add [[:Category:Sustainability advocates]] 

message: David Suzuki has recently published a new book title "More Good News".  This should be included under 'publications'.  Source: == External links == *
Joelthetroll (talk) 03:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Spitfire19 (Talk) 04:02, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Joelthetroll, 19 May 2010 

message: Add: Mr. Suzuki is a 350.org messenger.  http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/24/international.climate.change.demonstrations ?  99.184.229.142 (talk) 02:13, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why?  It's a source, but is it important to David?  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add: Mr. Suzuki is a [[350.org]] messenger.  http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/24/international.climate.change.demonstrations ? 

message: Time has changed. In the early 50s, no "white" girl wanted to date with teenaged Suzuki Now he's "the man most Canadian women told a Maclean’s poll they’d choose to be with on a deserted island".
Takima (talk) 16:42, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  O mores, o tempora! (Cicero) 

message: Please change the number of honorary degrees from 22 to 23 because there are 23 degrees listed. 
199.185.67.180 (talk) 15:37, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 199.185.67.180, 15 October 2010 

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The file is clearly broken somehow... It needs rotating 90°. I tried to figure out what was wrong but couldn't. If someone else with more experience with files could take a look, that'd be great. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 01:33, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:18, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 11:43, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  File displaying sideways? 

message: Does the template for Japan-Canada relations really belong on this article?  Steve Dufour (talk) 16:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Japan-Canada relations?

message: This article does not seem very neutral to me. It lists a bunch of positive things about Suzuki but not a single negative thing. There should be a criticism section. Ag97 (talk) 21:00, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a criticism section  

message: This is a total love-fest article likely written by CBC staff and protected by his fans.  Has this guy never been wrong, never made a mistake?  What about criminal charges and jailing people that disagree with his climate model (sources above, but it never made it to the article).  I'm sure its not a new problem, but the credibility of WP is hurt when only the most passionate people are allowed to dominate an article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8:9880:7D1:4594:4D11:9957:343 (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agree 

message: I came to this page having read some commentaries about "Saint Suzuki" and "Secret Suzuki", wanting to see the facts behind the claims.  I'm suprised to see that neither sections Personal Life nor Criticisms exist in this article.  Contemporary personages always have a personal life section, and anyone involved in any controversy has a specific section for it.  I don't think anyone can argue that David Suzuki has never been involved in controversy.  As this article is at the moment, it is biased and un-Wikipedic. Icemuon (talk) 11:59, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He has a lot of crazy and unscientific beliefs but little is mentioned here. This article needs a lot of work.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.254.72 (talk) 18:26, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life and criticism 

message: In the last sentence of the first paragraph it says "David Suzuki was selected as the greatest living Canadian in a CBC poll." This is not entirely true as he was voted fifth and I think that this should be sourced. I found it surprising that I couldn't find any source from the CBC.ca archives that had the complete list of the greatest Canadian winners. I was however able to find the series (and list of winners) on imbd at the following address: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0426703/?licb=0.7661025421693921. The list of top 10 is also on the page The Greatest Canadian.
Northerner1073 (talk) 04:08, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It does not need to be sourced in the lede since it is sourced in the body of the article in the  Awards and honours section. The main entry does clarify that he was fifth overall but the greatest living Canadian. Meters (talk) 04:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request: June 2014 

message: Information in the side bar is not showing. I'm not sure why. Religious views is not showing, although it's there. Someone should look at this as I cannot figure out what's wrong for the life of me.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spilia4 (talk • contribs) 05:16, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Religion is not a valid parameter for the infobox scientist template.  We would have to use a different template for the religion parameter to display.  I'm not sure for this particular bio that it's relevant to have the religion in the infobox, though.... Sailsbystars (talk) 01:10, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Side Bar Info Not Showing. 

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