Talk:Second Polish Republic

message: Sorry, the original edit somehow lost itself.
Alright, the People's Republic of Poland seems to not appear in the succession part of the Second Republic of Poland, instead the only link refers to the government in exile.
The government in exile overtakes the SRP in 1939, but the PRP has began in 1944, which is technically skipping 5 years of Polish history. We cannot add the PRP to the succession list of the SRP, because it has started in 1944, but we cannot add it into the exile's succession list, as the government in exile ended in 1990, and the PRP has ended a year before that. This means the enitre page of PRP is skipped entirely from the Polish History. According to sources or facts, do we change the dissolution date of the SRP to 1944, or do we transfer-power to the PRP in 1944?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PantherBF3 (talk • contribs) 21:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skipping 5 years 

message: when polish degenerates give back Lithuanian ethnic lands - Palenke, Pamarenia, Prussia, Jotva-Mozuria??? it's aout 150 000 km2...and of cause all polish colonists must go back to poland  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.13.243 (talk) 14:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occupation and colonisation of Lithuania and ethnic Balts' lands 

message: In the map Germany looks like it has its pre 1918 borders. Its not a massive problem but we might as well fix it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onthehook (talk • contribs) 01:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The map

message: This article will soon be splitted into several subarticles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Poland/Periodization. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 23:22, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: Just gets messy near the bottom. Needs to be cleaned up a tad. --Woohookitty 06:09, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:56, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Over 17 years later, I also came to this talk page trying to confirm what the "First Republic" was. The PLC article explains it a bit, but this article is currently really unclear on what previous political entity the term Second Republic is supposed to be distinguishing from. Unfortunately, my knowledge of Polish history feels too weak for me to try clarifying.  (I'm afraid I'd just muddy things more.) CAVincent (talk) 04:10, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @CAVincent The article does not even use the term "First Republic", so I am not sure which part of the article is confusing? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:32, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, your edit clarified this. For someone with limited knowledge of pre-20th century Polish history (i.e. me), it wasn't entirely clear why the subject of this article was considered the second and not the first. CAVincent (talk) 04:23, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikify

message: Five edits in nearly four years. Can only a mother love this? --Matthead 04:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I added some statistics on minorities and the number of ethnically Jewish in the Second Republic to the demographics section. The statements are sourced. Please build upon them if you wish. Aaрон Кинни (t) 10:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minorities 

message: Was the Piast Coat of Arms used as the Coat of Arms of the Second Polish Republic between 1927 and 1939? WhyNotFreedom 05:18, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms 

message: I own a Statistical Year-Book of Poland 1939 (Maly rocznik statystyczny 1939). This is the best source  one can get and little by little, I will be making corrections to the data given so far, as well as adding some more information. I will start up with population of biggest cities of Poland in 1939, there are some differences. Greetings to all Tymek 05:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is actually available on line as pdfs here (click through to last page for the old ones).Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:16, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cities, area, population etc. 

message: Second paragraph needs to cite sources or be deleted. It also contains possible POVs. +Hexagon1 (t) 10:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is poorly referenced, but I see no controversial information it may contained. Lack of references is no reason for deletion, unless the information is clearly wrong or insulting.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  17:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have to disagree, it seems an obvious reason for removal to me. References are a fundamental part of Wikipedia (see WP:RS, WP:A, WP:NOR and WP:V). And as I have stated before it contains sentences that sound a bit POV. +Hexagon1 (t) 03:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second paragraph 

message: I wonder why there is no map of the original borders of 1919, according to Versailles?-- Matthead discuß!     O       14:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See :Category:Maps of the history of Poland. But indeed many maps are missing. There may be some in various atlases, though; some hopefully PD.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  16:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No map of 1919 borders? 

message: I added detailed map from Romer's atlas.--Molobo (talk) 03:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added detailed map 

message: I think it should be add as one of the succeeded country (if there is polish underground, it should be also). Papapolak (talk) 15:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No need; it was just a government of the Polish Underground State, and we linked the state (country) in the infobox as a succeeding state.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  17:30, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Polish government-in-exile]] 

message: I see a lingering problem here. The article is restricted by the end date of 1939.  By international law however, the Second Polish Republic did not end on the first day of the 1939 German-Soviet invasion of Poland, but rather, when it became a new state in 1945 with borders redrawn by Joseph Stalin following the Tehran Conference of 1943, and thus it became recognized as such by all Allies. The question is, should this article be renamed? The same can be said about all articles about the voivodeships of Second Polish Republic, because their history sections usually go beyond the invasion. User:Piotrus considers the Second Polish Republic defunct as of September '39, replaced by the Polish Underground State. However, the administrative division of the Polish Underground State is an under-researched issue. It mostly mirrors the pre war borders of Poland. There's the question also about the German/Soviet border agreements during and after the invasion of Poland... were they legal? Let's discuss this first in here, as we should start by deciding on the date the state ended in the infobox. Also, please take a look at the book Poland, 1918-1945: an interpretive and documentary history by Peter D. Stachura. I don't know where the idea of the Second Polish Republic ending with the two invasions came from? And, what would the exact date be? Stachura defines the Second Polish Republic as part of "Poland 1918–1945". Quote:In the turbulent history of twentieth-century Europe, the reborn Polish State faced the most formidable and diverse array of problems imaginable. From 1918 until the end of the Second World War, Poland struggled to retain and consolidate independence... Without going into extensive research, I'd like to find out from you if the dates are necessary at all, and if so, how the members of the Polish government-in-exile referred to themselves in official documents and functions... as members of the government of what country? Second Polish Republic, or the Polish Underground State, or anything in between?--Poeticbent talk 17:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to see the PUS/PGiE as successors to SPR, but we need to research this more; it is certainly true they were many links between them. I think that the changes were drastic enough in scope to warrant seeing PUS/PGiE as more than just "a new government". As a temporary measure, I'd support adding changing the end date to 1945, and adding a note to the lead and infobox that would elaborate on the two possible dates, based on the arguments above (and others). I'd be surprised if we couldn't find reliable sources that state that Second Polish Republic ended in 1939, so we are probably dealing with the case where there are two valid, reliable viewpoints that both need to be described here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  19:35, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Polish Republic until 1939 or until 1945? 

message: I was looking into the falsifications of the Polish 1931 census and stumbled across some interesting figures which go beyond simply counting the 'Locals' of Polesia with the Belorussians as shown below:
Official:
*21,993,000 Poles (68.9%)
*4,442,000 Ukrainians (13.9%)
*2,733,000 Jews (8.6%)
*990,000 Belorussians (3.1%)
*741,000 Germans (2.3%)
*139,000 Russians (0.4%)
*83,000 Lithuanians (0.3%)
*38,000 Czechs (0.1%)
*707,000 Tutejsi or Locals* (2.2%)
*11,000 Others (0.1%)
*39,000 Not Given (0.1%)
*31,916,000 Total
Revised:
*20,644,000 Poles (64.7%)
*5,114,000 Ukrainians (16.0%)
*3,114,000 Jews (9.8%)
*1,954,000 Belorussians (6.1%)
*780,000 Germans (2.4%)
*139,000 Russians (0.4%)
*83,000 Lithuanians (0.3%)
*38,000 Czechs (0.1%)
*11,000 Others (0.1%)
*39,000 Not Given (0.1%)
*31,916,000 Total
* *-Counted with Belorussians in the revised data
Of course, this data does not count the Ukrainians and Belorussians who would later label themselves as Poles in 1959 , as shown under point 8.
Source Page 
Prussia1231 (talk) 01:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minorities in 1931--official and revised 

message: The section on the Economy is confused, mostly unsourced and in places contradictory. I tagged the statements about prosperity as dubious - while there were some very real achievements (successful economic integration of regions from different partitions, transportation network, Gdynia, monetary stabilization etc.) it was hardly a period of prosperity - though this was mostly due to world wide events and situation. In fact the last sentence of the section, which discusses unemployment and poverty contradicts these claims of prosperity.Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:13, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy 

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message: The linguistic map ignores Yiddish completely. I wonder why... My understanding is that in 1920, it was the majority language in Warsaw, Vilna, and other cities. 68.5.46.193 (talk) 08:29, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Where was Yiddish Spoken?

message: A fairly mundane topic here: what date format should we use in this article? Currently, the article's dates use an inconsistent format, which is counter to the Manual of Style. Since WP:TIES doesn't really apply here (no strong ties to any variety of English) and both are used throughout I thought some other opinions might be useful. When created (all the way back in 2002) the article used day-month-year, but it was created using an automated script (I'm not entirely sure what it was converted from though - the Polish article wasn't created until 8 months later) so I don't think that is really usable as a basis for the format to use. Personally I favour day-month-year, but that's nothing more than a personal preference. Alphathon  (talk) 02:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date format 

message: I would like to replace the timeline with a summary based on the History of Poland (1918–39) article. Thoughts or objections? Rsloch (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: «The currency helped Poland to bring under control the massive hyperinflation, the only country in Europe which was able to do this without foreign loans or aid.[15]»
I can’t understand the polish source, but I am a bit skeptical about this sentence.
Poland wasn’t for sure the only cuntry in Europe without hyperinflation, and that the other countries in Europe avoided Hyperinflation only with external aid seems to me a myth. If ALL the other european countries had hyperinflation or needed external aid to avoid hyperinflation, who could have given such an aid?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flauius Claudius Iulianus (talk • contribs) 13:32, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only country without Hyperinflation? 

message: Presumably, the predecessor of the Second Republic was the Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth; but that state had a King of Poland (who was simultaneously also the Duke of Lithuania). Therefore, by definition, it was not  a Republic. Take France, for example: the current state is the Fifth Republic, established in the 1950s, following the Fourth Republic (established after World War II). The First Republic was established in the 1790s, but between the First and Third Republics there were several incarnations of French Empires and reincarnations of the Kingdom of France, which are not numbered among the republics. Firejuggler86 (talk) 14:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The PLC's political system was pretty weird. See Golden Liberty for more information. I do like the description there of it as a "republic under the presidency of the King". Double sharp (talk) 13:11, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Second ''Republic''?