Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 22

message: When I checked the reference for the ESRB rating for Super Smash Bros Brawl it had absolutely
no information about the rating. The official site Smash Bros Dojo has no info on it either. ESRB's official site did not have an entry for Super Smash Bros. Brawl, only for Melee. We should edit this to rating pending. Smashbrosboy 19:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see this page; you'll be asked to sign in, so use the username "guest" and type in the password "nintendo" (no caps at all). Confirmation of the rating, boxart, and so forth can be found on that page. You Can't See Me! 19:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: While it would be difficult to cite directly (the actual page for the image gets around that), there's nothing that blocks it from passing WP:V.  My suggestion is to do something similar to the Story section of Final Fantasy VII; many citations there actually provide text in front of the cite link itself (when there even is a link). Arrowned 22:12, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose that is indeed a verifiable, official source...interesting that it doesn't seem to have been mentioned on Nintendo's game page for Brawl (on their main site) or on Dojo.
For those who might be wondering, it's rated T for Cartoon Violence and Crude Humor, according to the press info page. Erik 23:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rated Teen?

message: That box art has not been official confirm, and I am 99% positive it is a fake. I suggest we turn it back to the Super Smash Bros. Brawl lettering, with the white background. Seriously, no wi-fi sticker, we've seen all those animations, and no Sonic or Snake further proves this. It is a fake boxart, and should be removed. Johnknight1 6:37, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: http://press.nintendo.com/object?id=9713.  Username: guest, Password: nintendo.  I get the feeling we're going to be fielding this question for months to come. -_-  Arrowned 01:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well they would'nt show boxart untill all the characters on it were confirned on dojo, and have you ever seen those pictures on anything else? I mean look, it was shown right after Pokemon trainer was confirmed.Green Kirby 21:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the creators would show a character before the character's on dojo, but whatever, I don't want to start another argument.Green Kirby 21:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I know that, but I think that the creators would want to introduce them on dojo, one by one otherwise, what's the point of dojo? I mean, they might as well show everything in one day if they did'nt want to do that. Dojo's around for a reason.Green Kirby 22:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why wouldn't it be official if it's on nintendo's press site? — Malcolm (talk) 22:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly.Green Kirby 22:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see a reason why the boxart would not be real. I mean, what's not real about it? Where have you seen those pictures before? Tell me and give me a source otherwise there's no reason why this boxart should'nt be real.Green Kirby 22:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not there... — Malcolm (talk) 22:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Perhaps you should take a look near the top of this conversation where nintendo.com was linked, making any further discussion on the potential of the boxart being fake rather pointless. Arrowned 22:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: There were no "last ones".  This is the first official boxart Nintendo has released, period.  Anything else you've seen over the last few months actually WAS fake. Arrowned 22:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think lack of color makes something fake. — Malcolm (talk) 22:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I know that this is highly controversial, but I am not so sure that this is the official artwork, for starters the site is incomplete.  If you want to look at it with further detail you will notice that the graphics are not the same as on the brawl site(ie. link is kind of a mix between melee and brawl along with pikachu being that of melee as well as mario being that of melee).  It has already been stated that there is no wifi and finally I think we should just leave off the box art until smashbros.com confirms it or until the game comes out.Sasst82 23:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the real box art. GET OVER IT. I hate to sound like a brute, but COME ON. Nintendo is using this box art, so will we. That is all. -Sukecchi 23:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  This is the real box art i just got it reserved and it shows this box art on the front of it.--FrosticeBlade 23:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean ,"FrosticeBlade", by "it shows this box art on the front of it"?, and I don't mean to be a pain I just think it is a little rash for wikipedia to be putting on box art around 4 months in advance(especially since it is never final until the rating is on it) all because of a site that you need a password to view.Sasst82 23:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text: When you reserve SSBB you have to put down a $5 deposit they give you a proof of reservation thats shows you the games box-art on the front and on the back it shows a lil preview of the game also.--FrosticeBlade 00:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Box Art 

message: Will people please stop edit warring? Can't we just discuss this calmly here? — Malcolm (talk) 20:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added that the names show up specifically during multiplayer matches. Perhaps this would satisfy both parties.Satoryu 20:09, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: That still doesn't matter. The nicknames still appear in the Multiplayer matches, so the statement holds true. Dengarde ► Complaints  20:13, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Perhaps names only appear while characters are static, much like P1 etc. in the previous games. Speculation, yes, but still something to consider.Satoryu 20:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wi-fi edit war

message: Could we add some thing about assist trophy like talk about a few of them?--FrosticeBlade 17:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, no, just... no. Too many examples on this article already. We don't want to be all fancrufty, you know. Yoshiguy 18:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Super_Smash_Bros._%28series%29#Tables_for_Assist_Trophies.2FStages -Sukecchi 21:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assist Trophy 

message: We have to do something about all these images people! There can't be this many. Claycrow 17:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should take the best images and post them on the SSBB page.--FrosticeBlade 19:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Um no offense Adv193, but that's just your opinion.Green Kirby 19:48, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: There's nothing wrong with any of the pictures on the article. There wasn't a problem with Mario and Pit, but I won't contest it being deleted. Don't delete anything else.Satoryu 20:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the images now (including Mario and Pit). They all seem necessary, and five images is hardly a breach of WP:FAIR. — Malcolm (talk) 00:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

text: A better idea than that is to get a character select picture from a demo which I imagine would also be tricky to do. -Adv193 02:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many images

message: These are not any more notable then every character, assist trohpey, or stage being listed, they should be removed. Claycrow 19:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are notable. They're unique modes that change how the game is played. Lists are just fancruft.Satoryu 20:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, they are NOT new aspects of the game, and assist trophies and new characters are.Purplepurplepurple 02:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but they've been refined from the previous game. So has the Adventure Mode. Should we delete that too? As I said, each of the modes offers a new way to play the game. Assists and stages are only additions to the existing gameplay.Satoryu 03:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't an addition to gameplay a new way to play? They add new strategic elements to battle, and are just as important as new/improved game modes. I think that a couple of the recurring game modes, such as tourney and special, need not be extensivly mentioned, although Adventure offers up enough new features (co-op, a story, cutscenes, etc) that it is worth a mention.Purplepurplepurple 19:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Special Brawl and Tourney

message: At 1:28 he includes Luigi in the cast of characters. JesseMeza 20:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The guy doesn't seem so reliable (who is he, anyway?), and seemed just to be rattling off names of Nintendo characters (especially considering how he said "Luigi" so nonchalantly, as if it's been known for a while). — Malcolm (talk) 20:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not an official confirmation.Satoryu 20:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if it is true, we really should just wait until he's confirmed on dojo.Green Kirby 20:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  That guy appeared to have little knowledge on Smash itself. Don't take it as a confirmation. Fangz the Wolf 23:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for linking to Luigi, I didn't know what he looked like! ^_^ Anyway... Take this with a grain of salt. This guy wouldn't be saying that if he knew because then, he'd be fired. He's probably just naming off names from Melee.Blindman shady 23:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, after viewing the footage, I consider it more of naming names rather than a conformation, more conclusive evidence should be gathered either through a demo or through Dojo. -Adv193 02:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: There can't be a Mario with-out a Luigi. I think he will come back but think his final smash would be something from Luigi's mansion I just thought about it but i dont think it would fit. .--FrosticeBlade 02:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: not really b/c i'm still talking about Luigi but the final smash is off topic i think.--FrosticeBlade 03:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: This guy might loose his job after what he told us about Luigi.--FrosticeBlade 07:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Does this mean we should put a check beside Luigi on the SSB Series article?  --Mr.Mario 192 21:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Not yet I say we wait till he is on the offial site.--FrosticeBlade 21:31, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luigi confirmed in interview 

message: I noticed in the gameplay video, that they reintroduced fighter introductions.
Should we mention this? Fangz the Wolf 22:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about?→041744 22:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what he's talking about. In the original SSB, right before a fight, Mario and Luigi would come out of a warp pipe, Pikachu out of a pokeball, Captain Falcon from his car, etc. This has returned in SSBB. In SSBM, the characters would simply spawn from platforms before a fight. Doppelganger 23:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I am not totally sure if this should be included in the article. It could possibly be briefly mentioned somewhere, but I am not a good article writer, so I don't know where. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 23:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now, as kick-ass as that is, it might not be important enough to include. It is a simply aesthetic feature, right? Maybe, just maybe we could make a brief mention of it in the... development section? I dunno. Yoshiguy 23:18, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not important enough to mention. It doesn't impact the game any.Satoryu 23:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: No trivia section. There's enough info here to do without the needless padding. If you really want to put in trivia go the the freaking Smash Wiki and edit it to your heart's content. If you really feel like editing Wikipedia with some of this stuff, put it on the respective character pages (Meowth, Fire Emblem, Mario (character) etc.). Keep it off here. InsaneZeroG 00:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

text: It looks like you're suggesting that original research be inserted into the article. How do we know the stuff that Dojo hasn't said yet? Is there a reliable source for the information? --Onorem♠Dil 12:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it original research when there is a video above. And I wasn't say we need to mention the SSB and SSBB connection, I'm saying just say that the melee-absent Character Battle Enterence should be stated to return. Claycrow 12:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Well...It's possible, although not likely, that not every fight starts with the entrance. It's also possible, although again not likely, that they're included in the demo but won't make it to the final game. Also up for debate is whether or not the 2 second "entrance" is worth noting in the article anyway. Is it really that big of a deal? I'd argue that unless a reliable source comments on the entrances being back, we shouldn't comment on the entrances being back. --Onorem♠Dil 13:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the videos that are posted are reliable sources in my opinion. They all show gameplay and the all show entrances. If we do find some way to include it in the article, and they end up being taken out, then just take it out of the article.Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth 15:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh crap. This is all my fault. I should've never meitioned a trivia section.Green Kirby 20:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Trivia has been a concern on many an article during Wikipedia's lifetime, and has been brought up occasionally on this one before you started editing.  It has little to do with you, so don't worry about it. Arrowned 20:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention the reintroduction of Intros? 

message: Stadium is listed under the single player section in the article, but perhaps it should be moved into multiplayer? After all, it's like the normal matches in melee: they could be played with just one person, but were classified as multiplayer. Luigi "Kurai" III 14:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about we wait until some of the wise users like Atomic Religion, Saytoru, and Sukecchi to disscuss this matter.Green Kirby 15:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't have a problem with that either. But I also agree that Stadium is still primarily a single player mode. The co-op functions are entirely optional, just like in TSE. And flattery will get you nowhere GK. Satoryu 16:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In all truth, the Stadium mode could be put on the Series page as it's in both Melee and Brawl. InsaneZeroG 17:37, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was'nt trying to be flatery. Sarcasim's my thing. It's just that you, Sukecchi, and Atomic Religon always appear to be the ones who solve the problem, so I thought you could handle this situation.Green Kirby 17:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving Stadium to Multiplayer Section? 

message: I know this may have been discussed before, but Ganondorf's voice actor is listed on the IMDB. I know people are going to say, well thats not a reliable source, but so far they managed to get right all the other voice actors (e.g. David Hayter's voice for English Snake before it was confirmed). 
This brings me to my next point, should the article have a list of the voice actors for the Japanese and English versions? **BM** 11:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDB is built up from user contributions, therefore we cannot use it. Just because they've been right in the past doesn't mean they'll be right in the future. A list of voice actors is useless; people can go to the character's article to see their voice actor. -Sukecchi 12:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

text: There has already been an article released in Japan where producers discuss Ganondorf's model in Brawl. But, again, nothing is verified as 100% certain. And even if some IMDB user posted it from a source he/she found, we can't add it to the article. Is he playable/AT/background? *kaburicho 17:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Orignal research is something else. You talk about guesswork.--141.84.69.20 23:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice actor listed on the IMDB