Talk:Incident Command System

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Consideration to consolidate the Incident Command System (ICS) page into this one since ICS is in actuality replaced by the NIMS. What do you think? Paradiver (talk) 22:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. NIMS mandates the use of ICS and describes how it is to be implemented. If they were the same thing, they wouldn't have different names. I certainly won't dispute that the core of NIMS is the ICS. --Shaggorama (talk) 18:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Condolidation of ICS into NIMS Page

message: * First, archived the talk page.
* Second, made notes on current talk page.
* Third, completely overhauled the Incident Command System page. It still needs some work, but is far better. Removed some factual inaccuracies, some POV, and reorganized. Ultimately, I used a lot of the original text and did major copyedit.
**References are total rather than inline. The article is from the reseources under the "References" heading. This is different from the usual article. Admittedly, I did a good deal from memory.
VigilancePrime 21:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhaul 

message: What's the deal with the wildland firefighting box? The ICS is much more globally applicable than this, bigger than the fire service even. I'm all for increasing the visibility of this article, but I feel like there must be a more appropriate box we can attach to it. I feel that this box makes the article's scope appear narrower than it is. --Shaggorama (talk) 18:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No one has argued this point, so I have taken the initiative and removed the box. Any smoke jumpers who disagree please speak up on my talk page as well as this forum. --Shaggorama (talk) 21:17, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wildland firefighting originated ICS, because of the interagency nature of the effort. Jclemens (talk) 04:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wildland Firefighting Box 

message: If this blueprint for incident response  is so super-fantastic, it would be good to explain why it did not work well for the Katrina Hurricane in New Orleans.  How has the system changed as a result of the failure to manage that incident?  That's a big question on my mind after reading this article (and taking a course that trained me in incident management). SystemBuilder (talk) 23:51, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on conversations I've had with emergency managers involved in the Katrina incident, I don't believe ICS was the failure. The failure was higher up than the CoC of ICS. However, there were many changes within NIMS in the years after the hurricane in 2005, the majority of which can be found on the FEMA website under NIMS Alerts (PDF documents that are essentially notifications of change/emphasis of policy). That said, it would be interesting to see an "Example Applications" section or something similar with various examples of real-world application of ICS. Katrina, Ike, Aurora Theater Shooting, and a few SAR incidents come to mind as big, known, and obvious examples. --KCGrimes (talk) 16:20, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  So Katrina was a solved problem, right?  Right? 

message: I am a student at Texas State University in the Public Administration undergraduate program and am completing this article evaluation as an assignment for classes POSI 3318 and POSI 3316 for the Fall 2015 semester. I will be following up the below critiques and suggestions with my own edits next week. 
To start, I am an aspiring emergency manager with field experience as an EMT in EMS and the ED. My primary ICS experience comes from my various ground, special operations, and management roles in Wilderness Search & Rescue as part of a volunteer team.
Although this article is decent in length, it has very few citations where there are certainly some due. For instance, in the History section there are textual references to OSHA and the relationship of NIMS to the 9/11 attacks but no cited sources for these assertions. They are widely known among the EM community, but even basics need citations. There are many other examples throughout the article that should also be addressed to legitimize the great content. That said, the quality of the content is very good and makes this article an excellent resource for a quick overview of ICS (as it is intended). 
There are a few nouns that are left in lower case, such as Incident Action Plan and all of the ICS positions (Incident Commander, Safety Officer, etc.)
Some things I suggest adding (and will probably add next week) are:
-Quick overview and listing of the various ICS forms, mentioning the concept of their use and modification
-Addition of the various common Section deputy positions (Documentation Unit Leader, Facilities Unit Leader, etc.)
-Reformat Basis section to allow for elaboration of the implimentation of ICS in each specific setting (Wilderness SAR, USAR, Wildland Fire, etc., all implement it a little different (Search Manager, Fire Officer, etc.)
I don't mean to knit pick the work the community has done, I only intend to point out room for improvement. As stated, I plan on spending time next week to make the edits discussed above and add to the article as well.--KCGrimes (talk) 16:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Evaluation 

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message: NOTE: Parts of the information in this "history" of the Incident Command System are largely inaccurate, being at odds with the actual development sequence, the concept, design, and development having been carried out during 1972-76 by the FIRESCOPE RD&A Program at the U.S. Forest Service Forest Fire Research Laboratory in Riverside California, as a cooperative effort with the federal, State, and county fire services in Southern California. FIRESCOPE: a new concept in multi-agency fire suppression coordination. Richard Chase, USDA Forest Service General Technical Report PSW-040, 17 p. 1980... www.treesearch.fs.fed.us/pubs/24094 - 19k - There may have been a meeting of Fire Chiefs in 1968 for something, but a multiagency ICS was not even a concept until presented to agency heads as a proposed part of FIRESCOPE and--after much discussion about differences between organization, equipment, practices, and terminology between urban and wildland fire protection services--approved, and an interagency task force to work with Research established in 1972. (ICS was never referred to as "Field Command Operations System") By the latter 1970s, ICS had been adopted by federal federal wildland fire services nationally, and in the early 80s had gotten the attention of the National Fire Administration for inclusion in their training. Adoption by FEMA followed. (R.A. Chase --former Asst. Program Manager, FIRESCOPE RD&A Program) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachase (talk • contribs) 
:Moved the note above out of the article body to the talk page to allow for discussion on how to improve the accuracy of the article. Ping . Schazjmd (talk) 19:54, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccurate history? moved from in-article  

message: Perhaps discussion should be included of this variant model. Or perhaps, a separate article, with cross-links. I found no Wikipedia article other than the (overly general) Emergency management: which, though it covers most of the subject, does not mention either ICS or EHRM.  Here are some sources for possible consultation:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267005555_Emergent_Human_Resource_Management_The_Evolving_'Ten-Commandments'
https://www.academia.edu/18836004/Emergent_Human_Resource_Management_The_Evolving_Ten-Commandments_
https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1016/S0742-6186(06)15002-7/full/html?skipTracking=true
Mention and criticism of ICS and EHRM are in chapter 5 "Blending Art and Science, or Mindful Muddling" of this book:  Kendra, James M; Wachtendorf, Tricia (2016). American Dunkirk: The Waterborne Evacuation of Manhattan on 9/11. Temple University:2603:6010:4E42:500:61C8:FC0E:67AA:A6B1 (talk) 16:21, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Those sources all seem more applicable to :Human resource management than to this article or :Emergency management. Schazjmd (talk) 16:28, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emergent Human Resources Management