Talk:Han Fei

message: I happened to be reading  this annotated translation of the Thousand Character Classic and it mentions that Han Fei "was wrongly accused by enemies and, ironically, died during harsh punishment under his own retributive code."
Is this generally believed, or a commonly-circulated story about him?  If so, it should be mentioned here. --Saforrest (talk) 17:58, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

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message: A banner at the top of the page said that there is an issue with the neutrality of the page.
I wrote this page less than other Legalist pages.
But talk to me about this and I will try and fix it.FourLights (talk) 20:21, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi  I believe what the IP editor was concerned about was actually WP:UNDUE rather than POV as such, and citing only a couple of relatively obscure 20th-century Vietnamese writers out of the entire 2,200-year history of Han Fei reception is pretty obviously giving them undue weight. There is no requirement that every statement someone has made on a topic needs to be listed on that topic's article, particularly when those statements are poorly sourced and/or don't appear to be particularly novel in the context of that history of interpretation. I've trimmed the section substantially anyway; it can probably be retained alongside more notable Chinese and other interpreters if and when those are added. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 20:25, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: In December 2022 I judged the content in question to be a better fit for the book page. The decision was corroborated by DanCherek.FourLights (talk) 00:17, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: Han Fei Zi is a million times better than  Niccolò Machiavelli, who was just uttering gibberish. It's like comparing trash can with a can of gold.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.222.81.151 (talk) 21:40, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  the heck 

message: A while ago I noted that the current picture illustrating this article is not, as the uploader claims, from the Warring States, but likely from the late 20th or even early 21st centuries. I see that the picture is still here on wikipedia, despite it not likely to be an out-of-copyright work. My suggestion is that this picture should be removed unless proof that it's out of copyright can be obtained. Retinalsummer (talk) 23:27, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Han Fei image

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: To avoid going back and forth in the edits, I thought it'd be better to clear this issue up here first. The lead currently says "Zhuge Liang is said to have attached great importance to the Han Feizi, as well as Shen Buhai." Firstly, "is said to" are weasel words. Is the claim accurate or not? If not, it should be removed from the lead. Secondly, the claim is poorly sourced. The (very good) Pines Stanford article only mentions that Zhuge Liang liked Legalism and says nothing about Zhuge Liang and Han Fei specifically. The other source (China in Search of a Harmonious Society) is a book about modern China and is not an appropriate source for a figure from nearly 2,000 years ago. I'd be happy to see something about Zhuge Liang and Han Fei in the lead, but this all needs to be cleaned up. Retinalsummer (talk) 20:33, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: With a quick google books search I am able to add at least one more reference, but it's an indirect reference to an 1904 work from the Dao Companion to Han Fei.FourLights (talk) 00:27, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for adding the Dao Companion reference. However, both that and the China in Search of a Harmonious Society reference are chapters in edited volumes, so if you have time could you please change the citations to reflect this? I'm going to remove the Pines citation as its a ref fail for the claim being cited. Also, please remember to preface your replies in talk pages with a ":". I have reminded you to do this multiple times (the last time was two days before you made the above reply). Retinalsummer (talk) 12:47, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Zhuge Liang in the lead

message: :;"Han". Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary.
Removed per . I get that the impulse is to tell people that pronouncing the name like Han Solo is "wrong", but it isn't. It's just English in the same way that yin-yang sounds different in any actualAt  Chinese dialect. If a pronunciation were included, it needs to include both common pronunciations per , , , &c. At that point, there's no reason to include it at all, since there's only those two ways any person able to read the English in the rest of the page would pronounce it. Listing them and going into why we prefer one ("more authentic") to the other would involve extensive discussion that would be  in the .
Shorter version: It's fine to reinclude this but it would have to give the full name, it would have to include /hæn.fei/ as a perfectly common alt English pronunciation, and it's so extraneous at that point that it belongs in the #Name section and not the lead. Remember we have the infobox to link directly to extensive coverage of the correct Chinese forms for anyone who really wants it. — LlywelynII 06:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation