Talk:Symphony No. 9 (Bruckner)

message: Since a while now I see absurde changes of the article, I once posted. Contents is massively deleted, about 15523 lines removed without explaination, arbritrary restructuring without understanding. It took me some effort to convince a retired, old, and genius music historian to write an article about Bruckner's Ninth. The articles has a good basis of detailed reference from over 30 music books about Bruckner, giving a deep and fine description about the different opinions in the historical music world of it, about the nature of the Ninth and Bruckner's tragedy with it, why he didn't manage to finish it. Not only that a fine analyis of the movements was given by a true expert, but even though detailed analyis of the recently becoming important completions and the motivations of their authors. I thought I do the English folks some good to translate it. You discovered correctly, that the article was translated from the German version by me with the help of google and by fixing the most important errors, google made. It would have just needed an eloquent native speaker to reshape this rough and jolty English into the fine and sonorous English melody, I love so much. Unfortunately, I cannot offer this on such complex issues, but would it have help? Schopenhauer once said: "Every stupid boy can crush a beetle, but all the professors of the world can't make one!" I can just attest you, that you mananged to shatter the work of one of the rare geniuses into pieces. Currently, I am thinking about to open a Balhorn Award. You, Mr. Orville, will be the first winner. Let me congratulate you here already. Please be so kind to leave me your address here, that I can mail you the award! I mean it! It is a lovely one!
Honestly, I am too old an tired to start a battle about every deleted sentenses with you, as you just blindly delete. Who can win against the void? Although I think, you make a mistake, if you think that the average reader might be overwelmed by a more detailed article. Well, he may not understand all at the first reading, but it will leave some impressions and feelings in him, but when coming back again, at the next reading he will grow with it each time, such as if you listen to a Bruckner Symphony. Did it happen to you too? If not, you miss the best! What happened here is one of the classical examples, how a group of people with little education tries to make an article of a genius better. The result is always a compromise on the lowest level, as Gustav Le Bon educated us. So I hope you can forgive me for my terrible English and that due to my age I use the weapons of irony to talk to you in a friendly way. Just don't bother and keep finishing what you've started, let me see how far it goes. So long! And don't forget to leave me your address for your award! Snaj (talk) 20:49, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism or the birth of a new Balhorn? 

message: I removed the line from the article
:for Bruckner consciously went further - what we have of the Finale shows certain sections which actually quote from his predecessor's work.
This is the first time I hear of this. I've listened to three different Finale reconstructions and read the accompanying booklets for all of them. There's talk of Bruckner quoting his own earlier pieces, but nothing about him quoting any Beethoven. Anton Mravcek (talk) 22:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quoting Beethoven's Ninth? 

message: What's V 13?
:A dominant thirteenth chord. Mahlerlover1 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 06:21, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't it actually a dominant thirteenth with a flat ninth rather than simply a dominant thirteenth?  The A is A natural, rather than A#. 71.174.37.164 (talk) 17:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  V13  

message: with tempo markings... thanks. DavidRF (talk) 01:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  request standard movement list 

message: Josephson's completion can now be freely dowloaded from abruckner.com.
--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:11, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nors S. Josephson's completion 

message: I have updated this section by adding the following text and reference:
:The world premiere of this new ending will be given by the Dutch Brabants Orkest under the baton of Friedemann Layer in Breda (NL), 15 October2011. ... SPCM Bruckner 9th Finale scheduled for 2011 and 2012 performances 
--Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:33, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samale/Mazzuca/Phillips/Cohrs completion (1992 / rev. 1996 / rev. 2005 / rev. 2008 / rev. 2011) 

message: "Bruckner dedicated this symphony "to the beloved God" (in German, "dem lieben Gott")." Not really. "Lieber Gott" means "dear God", then "To the dear God" would come closer. If we need to mention love, it's rather "To the loving God" (Dem liebenden Gott) than "To the beloved God" (Dem geliebten Gott). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dem lieben Gott 

message: In the score excerpts of movments 1 to 3 are errors (wrong notes), easy to hear. Unfortunately, I do not know the cryptic language to correct them. I have moved the last example (coda) to the SPCM version. The passage is not composed by Bruckner but by SPCM. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snaj (talk • contribs) 21:07, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Score excerpts 

message: I have somewhat restructured the section description of the first and third movements, by putting the scores on the places where their themes are described. Hopefully it is now put in a more logical way. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:04, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restructuring the Description 

message: There are two Löwe versions, both published 1903. The climax of the adagio in the piano reduction is, indeed, tamed. In the orchestral score Löwe edited, also published by Doblinger the same year, this is -not- true (see IMSLP.) ELSchissel (talk) 06:48, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Löwe version 

message: The attempt by Hein 's-Gravesande (1969) is a simple juxtaposition of the retrieved fragments.The completion by Ernst Märzendorfer (1969) is a kind of rhapsody using the retrieved fragments. It has been performed by the Rundfunk-Sinfonieorchester Leipzig under the baton of the composer in the Große Oper of Leipzig on 8 December 1970.Marshall Fine's completion (1979), that was considered lost, has been recently retrieved. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 07:26, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other finale completions