Talk:Kansas City, Missouri/Archive 2

message: Someone (probably from that craphole across the state) came on here and edited the article to say that it is "believed" that KC has more fountains than any other city in the world except Rome. This is a fact that is accepted and confirmed by multiple sources-- and by multiple I mean hundreds. This is an accepted fact. So it is not simply "believed" it "is". I changed it back. 
:Lets not start talking in caps, now, that just won't get us anywhere.  First off, let's go back to the wikipedia standards, and one is verifiability and that includes good sources.  As for the source of the founatins, it is a kansas city web page, not an independent source.  At any rate, the citation even says it doesn't keep count of the fountains, and so how can even confirm its comparison?  While the source is verifiable, its data is not, so while it's probably something that should go in the article, maybe we should move it out of the introduction.  Rhetth 14:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the original poster could provide some of the multiple sources?  That would clear this whole thing up.  And while we're on it, maybe we could fact-check the boulevard statement.  And hey, I live in KC, so don't think I'm just knocking the place.  I would like the article to be up to WP standards.  Rhetth 01:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Believed that KC has more fountains than any other city in the world except rome?? THAT IS FACT PEOPLE 

message: So, I was marvelling at how far along all of these articles about the Kansas City area are coming along, when it also occurred to me that it isn't all that easy keeping track of new articles cropping up that we may be interested in and/or are able to contribute to.  Perhaps the time has come to start a WikiProject Kansas City page to help coordinate amongst contributors?  Here's the WikiProject page if you want to familiarize yourself with the concept.  It would give a place to discuss the organization of all the KC related articles, as well as a way to organize and easily find related articles as they are created.  Thing is, is there enough interest in the idea to warrant it?  --Reverend Loki 19:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you need five additional contributors to voice support<BR><BR>Well, four: I'm in! --KHill-LTown 20:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Count me in. Americasroof 07:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: In. There's enough in this sprawling metropolis for a project, without a doubt. -- nae'blis 09:11, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm up for it. --Hobbes747 23:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Still up for the idea. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Philadelphia looks like a pretty good role model (or see :Category:WikiProject Cities of the United States); also, we should consider the idea of a Portal. Maybe after Thanksgiving? -- nae'blis 23:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still somewhat confused as to what a Wikiproject is. --KCMODevin 00:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In essence, it is the creation of a team to focus on a particular subject, allowing editors to coordinate resources and develop a coherent and consistent approach to related articles. Take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Vancouver for an example. --Ckatzchatspy 05:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I went ahead and did it; see blue link above for the main page, and let's get started! I am in  no way trying to run the show though (this is my first time creating a new WikiProject), so please let me know what I've screwed up, left out, or done wrong! -- nae'blis 18:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Here's an idea - WikiProject KC 

message: I love prospero's but if we take out the Roasterie then should we take out Prospero's also? --Gbleem 23:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's gotta go unless somebody can come up with a rationale to save it.  Americasroof 07:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with it's omission.  I like the store myself, but I have trouble arguing for it's inclusion under attractions.  Rainy Day Books, maybe, particularly in light of the number of authors they bring to town and the positive influence they have on the literary scene (the other day, in KCUR (Walt Bodine, I think) I recall hearing some author comment to that effect).  Now, I'm not arguing for the inclusion of RDB, just providing a like counterpoint.  --Reverend Loki 20:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prospero's  

message: In the interest of more eyeballs and adding a little color to the Politics section.  If memory serves me correctly, the Athletics mule Charlie-O was originally a gift from Stuart Symington who wanted a Democratic mule rather than Republican elephant representing the team/city.  However I can't find references.  Any help in finding that reference would be much appreciated.  Thanks! Americasroof 07:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Charlie O Mule Gift of Stuart Symington?

message: Do we really need this section?  The Kansas City, KS link is already covered in metro template (second template after external links).  Although I like the People from KC category link I cannot see the logic for having a category for a single link.  Can we put this in another section or tag it at the bottom with the other categories (only until we find a better location)?  Thanks --Abernaki 13:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: People from Kansas City is also linked under Kansas Citians in the History section, so no reason to keep it. OT/Also, I'm totally stealing your profile layout. That's awesome! --Hobbes747 17:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also Section 

message: I know since this could be considered personal research, that it doesn't belong in the article, but I thought it was interesting.
Everyone knows the US Census is frequently wrong on their estimates. But I just recently realized how wrong they have been about Kansas City. Most of us can drive through Kansas City and see how drastically different much of it is from 2000.
The Kansas City Home Builders Association keeps monthly records of Residential Building Permits in major cities in several major metropolitan counties. For the past few years, they've shown that KCMO has been breaking it's own records left and right.
As of September 2006, there has been 14,008 residential building permits in KCMO since the year 2000.
According to the US Census Bureau, in 2000, Kansas City, MO had 202,334 residential units, 183,981 of which were occupied. This leaves 9% (.09) of them unoccupied. It also showed an average occupancy of 2.39 ppl per occupied unit.
If you took that original base number and added on the 14,008 permits, that would give you 216,342 residential units. Assuming that 9% of that total remains unoccupied, that gives us 19,470 unoccupied units. If we subtract that from the total amount of units, we come out with 196,872 occupied units. Assuming that 2.39 ppl occupy each unit, that would give Kansas City a total approx. population of 470,524 people in September of 2006. This is a simple estimation, but even if we assumed 11.% of the units weren't occupied, it would still give KC a total population of 460,182 people. In either situation, it shows how off the US Census Estimate possibly is. Comments? --KCMODevin 03:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kansas City Population 

message: Does anyone know anything about the Village of Loch Lloyd, Missouri, which looks like it's in Cass County, Missouri?  I see some businesses with that address, with ZIP code 64012.  I couldn't find an article explaining what that entity is.  I was also confused about Oak Park, Kansas (see the talk page there). -- Beland 22:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nearby locations 

message: After the last round of edits, I googled it and the term is apparently true. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=kansas+city+%22killa+city%22&btnG=Search Sad, but true. --Hobbes747 03:39, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd wait until OutKast, Diddy, or Big & Rich calls us that. UrbanDictionary.com isn't exactly canon in the eyes of civic leaders or rural residents. --KHill-LTown 03:57, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Amazing how that works.  In the last few days I've been compiling a section (article(?) on Crime in Kansas City which I hope to post in the next few days.  The city ranks as the 8th most dangerous city with populations more than 400,000 in the country on a per capita basis on its murder rate.  And it's not just the rust belt inner city problems.  There's a whole pattern of violence virtually from the city's founding in 1853 with the lawless Bleeding Kansas raids, the burning of all occupied Jackson County south of Brush Creek and east of the Blue because of lawlessness during the Civil War, the celebration by the city newspapers of Jesse James, the whole Tom Pendergast era, a big Bonnie & Clyde shootout by what is now KCI, and lots of mafia stuff.  Unfortunately the slang fits perfectly.  It probably needs attribution but it still fits.  I'm glad to see somebody with street cred editing here. Americasroof 04:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

text: While I agree that adding "Killa City" as one of KC's nickname is not sound, I disagree with this position.  AFAIR, Wikipedia is not a mechanism for public relations.  Perhaps a section on fluctuating crime rates that includes the nickname is more prudent. --KHill-LTown 03:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The murder rate has gotten pretty bad. My mom even got a license to carry. Americasroof is working on a crime section. --Hobbes747 04:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So long as the name "Killa City" is limited to the crime section, I'm game for that.  (Personally, I blame Channel 5's sleazy reporting tactics.  What says ratings like flashy graphics, blood, gore, sex stings, and a feature on the latest Survivor castaway before Katie Horner's forecast?) --KHill-LTown 04:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: You should also sign your comments, 208.10.112.107<BR><BR>Plus, you might want to note that KC is 16th most dangerous, but not the most dangerous in the state.  Any "Street Cred" names you can think of for St. Louis a la "Killa City"? --KHill-LTown 23:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Killa City 

message: I have removed the following text from the lead paragraph:"The Globalization and World Cities Study Group and Network recently designated Kansas City as having potential of attaining world city status. (Full Report in PDF)" I searched the cited report, and could not find anything to support the designation claim. --Ckatzchatspy 10:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if you can find a specific citation, my apologies. However, I can't see support for the claim in that particular report. Any city can be a "potential" world city. Furthermore, a check on Google found that the references to "Kansas City" and "world city" came from Wikipedia. --Ckatzchatspy 22:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Please, don't turn this into a personal dispute. I have done nothing to warrant your use of language such as "stupid", "I hope you have enough respect", and "How about delete every KC article while your at it?" This is an encyclopedia, not a travel guide or an extension of the Kansas City Chamber of Commerce. Arguments like "Promoting KC is far more important than anything else" do not hold water - the aim is to provide a balanced, fair view of the subject, using verifiable information. Your claim, that "The Globalization and World Cities Study Group and Network recently designated Kansas City as having potential of attaining world city status," is not supported by the reference you have cited. If you wish to use those references, you can write that "Kansas City displays minimal evidence of world city formation" (your first link) or that "Kansas City is a minor global legal service centre." (your second link). However, from your reply above, I doubt that is the message you wish to disseminate about your city. --Ckatzchatspy 04:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this is my paraphrase in question.  Given the links provided, I am going to agree with Ckatz on this and suggest including the first entry.<BR><BR>Devin, I suggest calming down.  We both agree that Kansas City is freakin' awesome, but (sadly ;) ) we're not the only freakin' awesome city out there, and as such we must be careful not to make the article look to PRish.  (Besides, I hate PR fluff.) --KHill-LTown 04:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, to be frank, the conduct you have described is unavoidably on the wrong side of WP:NPOV. I would personally recommend that you back out of editing articles which you will be tempted to present from only one point of view. (ESkog)(Talk) 11:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 
No-can do... If I stayed away from articles I care greatly about, I wouldn't be on wikipedia. I'm here to represent Kansas City, not violate it with negative/pessimistic comments... (IE the Killa City statement)
Like I said, I'll try to edit the articles with an NPOV, but I will still promote it and show ppl it's not some low-density, sprawled out, polluted, crime ridden, cowtown. --KCMODevin 19:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you misunderstand what NPOV stands for; we're not saying we're trting to cast KC in a Negative light, just a neutral, unbiased one. We can't write either biased, glowing praise or biased, negative condemnation; we can cite what other reliable sources say, without giving it "undue weight" by blowing it out of proportion, but this isn't the place for "representing". We're collating or reporting, not trying to offer a one-sided view. -- nae'blis 22:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "World city" claim 

message: I know someone on here is going to be adding a new section on crime in Kansas City, but I was thinking about something. Why is Kansas City considered dangerous by some when it really isn't that dangerous?
I decided to look at a new type of crime statistic... Crimes per square mile...
When listed against St. Louis, Independence, KCK, Overland Park, Lee's Summit, Olathe, etc... KC has only about 171.36 crimes per square mile.
Here is a list of the cities and their crimes per square mile:
St. Louis - 1050.61
Kansas City - 171.24
Independence - 136.81
KCK - 128.09
Overland Park - 90.54
Olathe - 78.62
Lee's Summit - 44.07
When you take into perspective that KC has over 300 square miles of area, then you realize that it's crime is not necessarily as high as some people may believe...
If Kansas City was more compact, with more people in a denser area, it's crime would be a lot lower. The reason crime is as high as it is (though i'm not saying it's a high crime rate), is because of how spread out we are. Sprawl leads to an increase in crime. Not the other way around.
--KCMODevin 11:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummm, this paper would seem to contradict what you're trying to say here: I don't think Kansas City's sprawl has much to do with our crime rate, as most criminal activity occurs in the urban core, which is more positively correlated to socioeconomic status than density. -- nae'blis 16:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

text: You should probably watch the local news once in a while.  I wish we could say the crimes were confined to a relatively small inner city area.  However looking at the [KCPD maps], the crimes take place in a pretty big swath south of the river.  On the basis of this discussion I've become obsessed with the the United States cities by crime rate which shows KC ranking #8 in the murder rate in 2004 for cities over 400,000.  I'm going to rewrite those tables with [data from 2005] for cities over 300,000.  KC with 126 murders will rank #5 behind, Baltimore, Detroit, St. Louis and DC (St. Louis didn't show on the earlier wiki table because it was less than 400,000).  If you look at the stats in the Kansas City Homicide Quarterly, the vast majority of the murders were black on black, involved cases where the VICTIMS had criminal records and were mostly men under 25 (sounds like gangs to me).  As been mentioned elswhere in this discussion, wikipedia is an encyclopeda and not a p.r. outlet.  Like it or not, KC is notable for its crime.  Welcome to Killa City.  Americasroof 20:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Devin, you'll get no argument on "sprawl is bad" from me (even though it's an opinion, not a cited fact), but you can't take that and then say that "The more spread out you are, the higher the crime"; that would make Montana the crime center of the United States! Obviously Laclede County, Missouri doesn't have the same problems as Jackson County, Missouri. I do know something about crime statistics, as it happens. You even seemed to say at the end that it is in fact about socioeconomic status, not density, so I'm not really sure where you're going with this idea... -- nae'blis 22:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Devin, as a neutral observer, with no vested interest in the KC area, I'd encourage you to step back and calm down. Another editor suggested that perhaps you shouldn't be editing articles you're so close to. You may wish to consider this, at least temporarily, as it is obvious that your judgement in the KC articles is coloured by your enthusiasm for your home town. (This is perfectly natural, by the way, and certainly nothing to be ashamed about. It is, however, not appropriate for creating an encyclopedia article.) There are a lot of things I'd rather not see in the Vancouver article, for example: our Downtown Eastside neighbourhood won't sell the city to tourists. However, it is a reality, and soft-selling the problem on Wikipedia is not going to make it go away. By the way, your standard for judging the safety of the city (" I know people who walk all around Downtown, Midtown and the Plaza. They've never been harmed.") isn't particularly reassuring; I would hope that one would consider that feat to be perfectly normal, rather than something exceptional. For that matter, the murder rate isn't exactly what I would call "low" either. 124 murders is higher than the total for all of British Columbia (almost 4 million residents, 112 homicides in 2004) - and it doesn't compare well to Canada as a whole, with 622 homicides in 2004. Just my two cents. --Ckatzchatspy 00:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, please don't misinterpret my last post as a condemnation of KC - it sounds like an interesting place. I've never been there, but that is due to the fact that it's a bit out of the way from where I am... Having a realistic understanding of the city won't stop people from visiting, and it will make them feel a lot more reassured when they do come. (As opposed to the typical travelogue nonsense which paints every town as paradise, a myth which is quickly dispelled as soon as one arrives!) --Ckatzchatspy 00:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, kudos to you for the effort, and for choosing to focus your passion in an attempt to improve your home town. Your enthusiasm can be an incredibly valuable asset to this encyclopedia, and should be encouraged, assisted, and supported. Just remember, though, that improving Kansas City and improving Wikipedia are two very different tasks, which may not always be mutually compatible. You can certainly choose to ignore the dangerous aspects of the city in your personal and professional dealings, as you see fit. However, in your role as a Wikipedia editor, you have to take a more objective view of the city, and make every attempt to represent both the positive and negative aspects. It is a tough thing to do, and it really is challenging to write something negative about a place that you treasure. The end result, though, can be a balanced, well-rounded article that fairly and accurately represents Kansas City. My personal believe is that readers are far more media-savvy these days, and less likely to accept an article that only paints a positive picture (or, going the opposite direction, only a negative spin on things.) --Ckatzchatspy 05:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: If it's cited in the Downtown article and linked directly to it in that paragraph, we can probably get away with not repeating the citation here, but "everyone knows" is only usable in very limited circumstances (we don't have to cite that Missouri and Kansas border each other, for example). -- nae'blis 15:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The information should really be in the main article AND any article that references it. Links to other Wikipedia articles don't count, unless they are properly cited - and even then you are taking a chance that nothing will change on that page. As Nae'blis said, you wouldn't need to verify that Kansas and Missouri are neighbouring states. However, anything that involves statistics, population figures, crime rates, and so on should be cited. Otherwise, there is no way to verify that the information is accurate. (This affects other editors who wish to check facts, and readers who want to follow up on information they get from Wikipedia.) The open nature of Wikipedia makes it essential that everything is well-documented; the same policy that allows anyone to edit means that anyone can change things. You would be amazed at how often certain articles are vandalized - before Canada was semi-protected, I would notice many edits every day that were just anons having "fun". The KC articles have, in recent weeks, gained new attention because of the series "Jericho" (that's what led me here) and are probably getting more "out-of-town" readers who won't have any of the "common knowledge" that a resident can take for granted. Besides, references are "cheap" - one good citation can cover a lot of facts, it doesn't take up much screen space, and it makes the article look more professional. (Just remember to avoid using blogs and web sites that fail the "notability" test - something from the local/state/federal government is good, but a comment on a personal blog won't hold up.) Cheers. --Ckatzchatspy 04:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This all gets back to the earlier debate of what downtown is.  The city defines it as 31st Street and that puts two hot spots on either side.  But most people view Union Station as the southern edge and so yes downtown is save.  Yes, KC is basically pretty safe if you're white and keep out of the problem areas.  Almost all the crime is black on black.  There was an astonishing 21 drive by shootings in September.  That doesn't bode well for the rest of the year.  It's amazing that the police have to keep that stat.  Even if KC "only" has 100 or so murders in 2006, it will still have a very high rate.  Unfortunately, we're going to have to look to see how Detroit handles all this.  And they include the crime stuff.
07:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crime 

message: Finally! Light rail baby... It's just sad that it required Chastain to pass a plan (though faulty), hopefully the city will wake up and revise this for decent funding and start work in a few years.
Not to mention remove the aerial gondola system included for Penn Valley Park. --KCMODevin 05:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, he better acquaint himself with the Northland.  He just drew a marker up the old interurban (surrounded by a bunch of backyards now; Zona Rosa's a mile west) and didn't bother to touch the bulk of Clay County.  I'm still in disbelief, and I've been compared to the expatriate idealist.--KHill-LTown 06:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: No way. Well awesome! Anyone remember when Chastain threw the stack of papers in City Hall? What a goof. --Hobbes747 19:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: From what I understand, it's still far from becoming a reality.  City hall can still reject it if the plan is outright unfeasible, which it may very well be.  I believe the plan makes certain broad assumptions about the overall cost of the project and just how much matching funding we'll get from state and federal government.  I'd personally love a good light rail system, but we'll see.   --Reverend Loki 19:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Light Rail 

message: Computerworld and the National Policy Research Council just placed www.kcmo.org in their top 10 websites for large cities (over 250k). Maybe time to revisit some sort of structured section location for awards... -- nae'blis 21:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards 

message: This is not the flag one sees outside public buildings in KC.  The one I have always seen is a basic Frech tricolor, with KC's Fountain/Heart logo in the center stripe in black.  Much better than this abomination, though it is cited by NAVA.  Does anyone know the official status of the flag I mention?  --Xyzzyva 19:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  KC Flag 

message: Is it just me or did the majority of kids who graduated from Kansas City high schools during the '20s/'30s seem to graduate one or two years earlier than the normal graduation age of 18? For instance, most of the kids who were in the first graduating class of the University of Kansas City had graduated H.S. at age 16/17. What's up with that? Did the Kansas City public school system offer you the chance to just fly through some of the grade levels back in those days? It's always puzzled me. ---- Mike14 17:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kansas City school students of the '20s/'30s 

message: If somebody could give some citations on Jolliet and Marquette visiting KC I would appreciate it.  This claim is repeated on some other KC websites so I'm not sure which came first.  But Jolliet and Marquette explored the Mississippi River and never went far upstream on the Missouri.  Some articles define the first explorers "in the area" as Jolliet and Marquette.  That of course means that you have to call St. Louis "in the area."  The article states they visited during a "six day canoe" trip.  Six days coming upstream against the current from St. Louis?!?!  Lewis and Clark who could only manage about 10 mile a day would be envious!  The first documented French explorer in KC I believe is Étienne de Veniard, Sieur de Bourgmont in the early 1700s.  I am finalizing a biography in my sandbox before I post it.  The wiki articles make no mention of Jolliet and Marquette.  That's a pretty big factual error for us to have let slide all this time.  Americasroof 19:21, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Louis Jolliet]] and [[Jacques Marquette]]

message: I'd like to start a neighborhoods section that includes the main neighborhoods in Kansas City... I've started an article for the East Side already, here are the neighborhoods i'm thinking of including first, with more being included in the future:
Downtown
Northeast
East Side
Northeast Bottoms
East Bottoms
Midtown-Westport
Plaza 
--KCMODevin 16:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kansas City Neighborhoods 

message: I have added this article to the above-named category.  The category was recently removed from the article because Kansas City, MO was named before the state of Kansas was.  But the category is not "Cities named after states," it's about cities that share the same name as a state.  The category contains other examples of cities that were formed before the state of the same name.  For example, Washington, Connecticut was established long before anyone imagined that that chunk of land north of California would also be named Washington. PubliusFL 14:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "By your flawed logic, Washington D.C. would be in there because Washington is a state."  Exactly.  Washington D.C. IS in there.  As is Washington, Georgia, Washington, Arkansas, Washington, Illinois, and the previously-mentioned Washington, Connecticut -- all established before the state of Washington or even Washington Territory.  They are all in the category because they are cities that share a name with a state.  Being located in the state with the same name or being named after the state has nothing to do with it.  KC is also a city that shares a name with a state, and therefore it belongs in the category just as much as the others.  If you think the category is purposeless, propose it for deletion.  And please try to be civil in this discussion.  There's no need to use words like "ignorant," "idiotic," and "stupid" (although I understand that none of them were directed at me personally). PubliusFL 23:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, the category has just been proposed for deletion, and it seems like the nominator makes a pretty good point.  So I won't bother trying to re-insert the category here.  You might want to give your input about the purposelessness of the category, if you care to.  Incidentally, I was aware that Kansas City was not named after the state.  As I explained above, I just didn't think that was relevant to the category.  But I do think your idea of pointing out that KC came first is a good one.  PubliusFL 23:50, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Town of Kansas was incorporated in 1850.  The City of Kansas was incorporated in 1853.  Both derive their name from the Kansas River (the mouth of which formed the entire north south Missouri border from Iowa to Arkansas until being extended north of the Missouri River in the Platte Purchase).  The Kansas River in turn derives its name from the Kaw (tribe) which also spelled Kanza (whose closest major village was in Leavenworth although they had a smaller village at the confluence of the Missouri and Kansas.  The Territory of Kansas was formed in 1854 and it became a state in 1861.  The category in question is "City with State Names."  Historically, the category is incorrect.  From an etymology point of view it is probably correct.  I don't have strong opinions one way or the other.  When do we start debating Missouri City, Missouri? Americasroof 00:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That's almost impossible to determine absolutely since they are tightly interwoven.  Rivers were typically named for the first major tribe encountered on the river upstream from the mouth.  Americasroof 12:11, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cities with State Names

message: Found @ kc library site: 
: Kansas City, Its Resources and Their Development: A Souvenir of the Kansas City Times (Citation - Book) 	Citation of the "motto" of Kansas City: "Si quaris civitatem amoenam, circumspice." (If thou seekest a beautiful city, behold it.) Related Subjects: City Motto, Poetry
J. D. Redding 16:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: motto

message: Kansas City-style spare ribs should probably be mentioned somewhere. Badagnani 00:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Something like Kansas City-style barbecue?  --Reverend Loki 23:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Spare ribs]] 

message: Does anyone know when the old Jewish Community Center Building in KC at 1600 Linwood Blvd (Linwood & Wayne) was demolished? It was definitely after 1989. 
Thanks. SnapManSlide 00:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish Community Center 

message: What the heck is the difference between the two?  Mean = Average.  Maximum = High.  See the climate data and pls someone help explain this nonsense.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40F:400:5A17:51AB:1A7D:274C:187C (talk) 11:05, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Mean Maximum temp vs Average High temp

message: There is one college that I attended that isn't included. I don't want it included necessarily because I attended but more for the fact that it is the only FAA Part 147 school to allow one to obtain an FAA Airframe and Power Plant license in the region. This means the accelerated program according to the FAA FARs allows someone to get the license in 18 months instead of the next minimal amount of time of 36 months. I propose adding "Aviation Institute of Maintenance" linked to "http://www.aviationmaintenance.edu/" This isn't something new as it has been around and used to be facilitated at the old TWA training facility off 31st Street and Terrace Street before moving in summer of 2007 to I-435 and Raytown Road in the old rental company facility across from the South exit from the Truman Sports Complex. Both locations Kansas City, MO, addresses.
The1who (talk) 12:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Colleges and Universities

message: According to an article on KCMO's official web page, at http://www.kcmo.org/cco.nsf/web/020609, the US Census had underestimated the population of the city. As of Feburary 6, 2009, the US Census has changed its estimate for Kansas City to be 475,830 in 2009. So I am going to change to reflect the new population accordingly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enorton (talk • contribs) 04:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Population Change

message: You did not have authority to do that. It was settled before that we would use the first picture of the skyline from the north. Reasons are:
1) It makes the skyline look bigger and more profound
2) ALL major buildings inside the downtown loop are found in the north view
3) The view you have shows the uglier buildings such as the Longlines buildings (an eyesore) and the Federal Building. If someone wants to take a better pic from the north fine, but that is the best view I think we have. I am changing it back! If you really want a superior KC article, show a good pic of our skyline. We want to be represented the best possible way to people who view us from out of town, especially since we have a negative image of being associated in some way "Kansas", agriculture, and a "cow town" (Despite the fact we are the largest city in Missouri and a thriving metropolis of 2 million + people). If someone sees a profound skyline, which is the first thing you see in a city-- that will leave a lasting impression.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enorton (talk • contribs) 00:38, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop Changing the Picture

message: Kansas City is rated with small cities such as Wichita, Topeka, ect in "importance level" ranking. It should be ranked with peer cities like Denver, St. Louis, ect. Why are we given a "mid" importance level ranking despite a metro area of over 2 million people and having a major city status.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.136.142.218 (talk) 13:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance Level

message: This bugger doesn't deserve a mention in the Kansas City article and it is an insult to the city to even mention him. People don't need to know he initiated the ballot. Adding his name to the article does nothing except add a piece of information that isn't important. Especially when he is just a crazy piece of crap who is doing a lot more harm than good to the light rail plan in Kansas City. He doesn't deserve ANY mention in the Kansas City article and should be wiped from ANY connection to our wonderful city. 
And he is NOT an activist! He is only a crazy guy who doesn't know jack about light rail, and has always been crazy. He is worthless and calling him an activist is only a compliment to him. People in Kansas City don't recognize him as an activist.
They also did not vote for his plan, they voted for the idea of light rail. They could care less if his ideas went through. He belongs back in Virginia and needs to stay out of our beautiful city. --KCMODevin 15:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we include lots of people whose contributions to the world aren't necessarily positive. I think that it's hard to talk encyclopedically about light rail in Kansas City without discussing Chastain's role. Doesn't matter what you feel about the subject personally or politically. (ESkog)(Talk) 16:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, you are dead wrong, KCMODevin.  Clay Chastain was the primary engineer behind the actual infrastructure and layout planning for the measure passed in November of last year.  The Light Rail measure is HIS idea and he alone pushed it through the legal system 6 times to get it on the ballot.  He IS light rail in Kansas City.  Personally, I agree with you, and think light rail is superfluous and not needed here in KC (for god sakes our roads are shit!), but none of this matters.  He is an activist and he is tied to light rail, therefore he needs to be mentioned and linked. --Active1x0
No he doesn't, and light rail does belong in Kansas City... He may have been the chief engineer, but he is not smart enough and doesn't know enough about the Kansas City area. He does not deserve a mention. He did nothing in regards to infrastructure, and the only layout he gave was a completely flawed plan. The voters were NOT voting for his idea, they were voting for light rail... The voters would accept a city planned light rail plan. This guy is nothing more than a quack, and it's an insult to KCMO to include him in this article.. He is not an activist, and like I said, to call him one is only a complement to him and an insult to our city. He is not light rail in Kansas City, and you're being butt buddies with him doesn't change that.
Also, my edit has been changed to be NPOV. IT states facts found in the various referenced/sourced newspaper articles that are relevant and important. 
Also, active, sign your comments...--KCMODevin 20:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clay Chastain

message: Nobody has the right to decide whether somoene is worthy or not of being listed on wikipedia. Facts are Clay Chastain is intimately involved with the Kansas City Light Rail initiative. The fact that he had a plan placed on a ballot and it actually was voted in by residents enforces that idea. It's history and it should be documented accordingly to its relevance. Any personal feelings in regards to any political figure or citizen whether positive or negative are not to interfere with the neutrality of Wikipedia. wikipedia exists for the sole purpose of educating people. We do not have the right to dilute relevant information to a topic regardless of how we feel for somoene. 
ESkog had a perfect example.  Adolf Hitler is a large part of the history of Germany. Regardless of how we feel in regards to his crimes and his opressive rulership it is sitll history and cannot be erased. If anyone has negative remarks to share, they should be voiced on a different forum. Kcuello (talk) 21:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to Clay Chastain

message: The intro says "Kansas City... is the largest city in the U.S. state of Missouri".  This is technically true, but it's misleading and immediately sounds incorrect to this reader. I assume it sounds misleading to many other readers familiar with the area and may cast doubt upon the article's accuracy in general.
St. Louis is much bigger and less of its population lives outside Missouri.  Based on the "Greater St. Louis" and the "Kansas City metropolitan area" wikipedia articles, only 24% of St. Louis' ~2.9mm residents live in Illinois, while 42% of KC's ~2.0mm residents live in Kansas.  I know that is not the specific claim of the sentence as-is, but it is another indicator that the phrase misrepresents the sizes of MO's two biggest cities.76.92.124.62 (talk) 03:45, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about the city, not the metro. If that's not clear, we should make it clear. But how many people live in other, nearby cities, in whatever state, simply is not relevant in this context. Feis-Kontrol (talk) 03:31, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is now clear that the article is about the city. The first comment above was older than most of the intro including the hatnote. A couple things about your changes. First, Kansas was the original name, the "town" part is just a formal descriptor. I know that Chamber of Commerce and similar website like the Town of Kansas moniker, but it complicates an already complicated naming situation and doesn't represent the historical truth well. This was common for almost all towns founded in Missouri and Kansas in the 19th century. Second, "central" is better than "principal" because it avoids confusion with the census designated principal cities of metropolitan areas, of which KC has three. Thirdly, the population is entirely appropriate for the intro, you will find this on many city pages. I would also assert that a city is as much its people as it is its physical location and buildings, hence the opening line. Finally, because we are describing the suburbs of Kansas City, with whom they form an intimate relationship, it is appropriate for them to be included, though Im not attached to their population being listed. Grey Wanderer (talk) 17:48, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro Comment only - no changes made

message: I rewrote the intro to be a little more streamlined and to put a little more emphasis on things like KCs contribution to culture (civil war, jazz, blues and BBQ) and moved the mention of the city's tap water being clean which, though interesting, embarrassed me a little to have in the opening paragraph.  Kansas city has made much interesting and varied history and has made more contributions to the national stage than the old intro let on.  I also glanced at the rest of the article and removed somethings that  are located in the metro are not the city itself.  The article will look much more impressive if it seems that it does not have an agenda, and is simply telling it as it is.
I've also changed the wording about having the second most fountains in the world from a fact to a claim, as we still need a reliable third-part source that is not a regurgitation of the tourism boards advertising. Grey Wanderer | Talk 20:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro rework

message: The crime artile is much very exaggerated, especially in the article of the entire metropolitin area having bad crime. Johnson county is relatively crime free when compared to the inner city of KCMO and KCK. this is proven especially with the fact that suburban cities Overland Park and Olathe Kansas are both in the top 15 best places to live. The link with that article is dead and no longer active. Crime rating in Olathe, Overland Park, Lenexa, Lee's Summit, and Shawnee is very low. No facts to support that crime is on an increase because of 2 rappers being shot. I have deleted that portion of the crime section. I know for sure that New Orleans, Houston (needs 500 more cops), St. Louis, Detroit and Miami are highly unsafe. Thats 5 metro areas that are for sure worse off in crime than KC metro. More up to date informaiton should be listed.Kcuello 22:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kcuello, the Kansas City METRO, including Johnson County KS, typically has a slightly higher METRO wide violent crime rate than the St. Louis METRO.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by GratiotStreet (talk • contribs) 00:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Kcuello, if you live in OP or in that area, then of course you don't know much about the inner city or what goes on in it. The gang wars in KC started with the deaths of those two rappers. The murders/fighting kicked up temporarily, causing a rise in the crime rates.
Also, not all of the inner-city has bad crime, which is a falsehood that many sheltered people from the SW suburbs tend to believe. Only sections of the inner-city have bad homicide rates. KCMODevin 13:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Both KCMODevin and Kcuello seem to have some good points.  I think that this might be resolved if KCMO could provide a few sources for the gang wars, surly there must be news articles, or statistics on that sort of thing?  Otherwise it should probably be removed.   Grey Wanderer | Talk 22:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Crime Exaggerated

message: Recent edits over the past few weeks have subtantially improved this article. I just wanted to leave a big Kudos and thank you for all of those that have worked very hard to make this article informatice and respectable! Kcuello (talk) 15:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Edits to Kansas City Page

message: Kansas City has the world's largest "undergound cities", SubTropolis in particular, although several facilities exist.  Hunt Midwest owns SubTropolis and recently built another similar facility underneath Kansas City Southern's new intermodal hub and free trade zone and customs port-of-entry into the United States (rails from Mexico to Kansas City currently have free trade designation, and the FTAA superhighway (Trans-Texas Corridor) will bring free trade truck transport to KC's free trade zones and their massive underground distribution centers).  ["Kansas City Southern and partners to launch intermodal hub", RANDOLPH HEASTER. Published on 2008-03-14, Page C1, Kansas City Star, The (MO). http://www.topix.com/content/kri/2008/03/kansas-city-southern-and-partners-to-launch-intermodal-hub]  http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/hayes
How should we talk about this stuff in the article?  Just put SubTropolis in the "Sites of interest" list?  Even many Kansas City natives do not know about Kansas City's underground city, I think it at least deserves a mention in the article. We have a massive limestone shelf (thought to be 20 miles deep) and some of the oldest exposed igneous rock on Earth that has provided for many unique facilities under the Kansas City metropolitan area. Jizzbug (talk) 19:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Underground City

message: Hanover Germany was listed on the Sister Sities International webpage. I have promptly added it to the list of sister cities Kansas City has listed. Kcuello (talk) 21:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sister Cities

message: Why in the world is Clay County highlighted in the MO State map on the main page, right beside an equally silly close-up of an emboldened Clay County?  Is not the downtown district and city headquarters in Jackson County?  Auror (talk) 00:35, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, your completely right, thanks for catching that.  I don't have the graphic skills to fix it, but I'm sure someone does.  I can however provide the link to the Jackson County highlighted map .Grey Wanderer | Talk 00:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: MO County Map and Kansas City Close-up Map

message: The article needs many more references, some copyediting, and reference formatting fixes using citation templates. I also noticed that there are many repetative links which need to be removed. Thanks, Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 23:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Forgot to say I took care of a lot of clean up a month ago and removed the tag. Grey Wanderer (talk) 23:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup tag

message: The top of the article says Kansas City redirects here.  It doesn't. Presumptive (talk) 02:18, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't because someone changed it about a half hour before you saw it. fixed it. Grey Wanderer | Talk 18:55, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: lie

message: The racial demographics do not add up.  How can the city be 54% white 46% black and still include other races?
22-June-2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.124.49.92 (talk) 02:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Racial Demographics?

message: Tuileries Plaza is Kansas City’s most distinguishing new mixed-use lifestyle center.  The enchanting courtyards, tranquil fountains, lush landscaping, rock waterfalls, slate rooftops and brick paved drives add a distinguishing European Old World flair to the rapidly expanding Northland community.  The 65 foot tall glass and stone tower monument offers a beautiful night-time light show for all to see.  Tuileries Plaza hosts enticing unique restaurants like Bonefish Grill and Em Chamas Brazilian Grill, Häagen-Dazs Ice Cream Shop, Rocky Mountain Chocolate Factory, Caribou Coffee, boutique fashion retailers like Posh and Bliss at La~De~Da, unique home décor like La~De~Da, Curtains Bedding and Fabric Gallery, and Enix Ornamental Iron, one-of-a-kind shops like Epic Bike and Sport, specialty services like Ideal Image, professional offices, and others unique to the Kansas City area.   
The development features different events year round, including a Summer Concert Series, Festival of Cultures, Children's Fest, sleigh rides during the holidays, and many more.
The charming Children’s Garden is located between the lake and the courtyard area.  It boasts “kid’s size” European Landmarks perfect for parents to bring their kids to climb the Eiffel Tower and Louvre pyramid.  Children can also wander through the maze, under the Arc de Triomphe and cool off in the misting river.  Tuileries Plaza is located just West of I-29 on NW 64th Street, and just minutes from Downtown and KCI Airport.  
We hope you will link our homepage, www.tuileriesplaza.com to Kansas City, MO Sites of Interest.
kathleen@tuileriesplaza.com  
7/7/08
99.153.52.219 (talk) 15:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, blatant attempt to add advertising.  I can attest, living within view and earshot of this place, that it's nothing special.  Just a collection of small strip malls and vacant storefronts.  For the Tuileries Plaza to be a site of interest, it generally needs to be both unique (historically or otherwise) and an attraction for people living outside of the city.  Tuileries is neither of these.  Auror (talk) 18:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This, as it is written, is almost impossible to incorporate into the body of the article and comply with Wikipedia:Neutrality and Wikipedia:NPOV.  According to a Google search Auror is correct, fairly non-notable site. Grey Wanderer (talk) 23:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tuileries Plaza added to Sites of Interest

message: The flag of Kansas City uploaded by User:Enorton on 30 May 2007 is not correct. I took a photo of the flag in front of City Hall today, 17 July 2008, to make absolutely certain what I had seen in so many other places was the most current design. (The images are at left.) The order of the colors from the mast is blue-white-red, as in the flag of France. It also has the logo of the city, in black, with text above and below it in the center. The text reads: CITY OF FOUNTAINS, HEART OF THE NATION, KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI." The font appears to be "Trajan," which is derived from the Garamond family, and is available from Adobe and other font vendors. The proportion appears to be 2:3, which is unlike the State of Missouri flag or the United States flag, but is probably the most common format for flags, in general. I redrew the flag in .JPG format. The proportions seem correct and it is better than the old one. - - - If someone would redraw this in .SVG format, it would be better. (I do not have a program that makes .SVG files.) Best regards, Charvex (talk) 23:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice work. Grey Wanderer (talk) 18:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Flag of Kansas City

message: Um that picture that was changed isn't very good. The other picture was way better. Im changing it back.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.136.142.218 (talk) 18:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ... just sayin bro. Charvex has a barnstar for his spectacular photographs of kansas city. He seems to have a pretty good idea of the city. Not saying your pic isnt impressive. just... let's leave the panoramas to the qualified people. Thanks! Chris (talk) 00:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: I'm presenting three possible skyline pictures for opinions.  The first by User:Enorton has been in place for about six months.  The second by User:Charvex was added early this week and removed by enorton in favor of his own.  The third, by myself, is a cropped version of Charvex's based on a suggestion by User:Reddi  Please compare the three and support one.  This is not a vote, but simply a way to see if there is an obvious consensus.
*Support Charvex's cropped It is a much higher resolution, clearer, and it is much easier to see detail.  This is the pic I'd want if the article was an FA. Grey Wanderer (talk) 18:41, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: you did change the picture, I meant no offense, I just though that it was clear which one was preferred. Grey Wanderer (talk) 07:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Enorton, I think its clear 6 to 2 which picture is preferred, and I've already said I do think the view from your picture is better.  But there seems to be a consensus to use one of  Charvex's pictures.  You seem to have close ties to your work, which is great, but it is not for you to force Wikipedia to use your picture when a clear majority thinks otherwise. Grey Wanderer (talk) 21:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I didn't change your picture back, two other editors did.  Three editors total have reverted your edits.  You are clearly too attached to your own work and close minded towards anything else.  I'm not saying you didn't have some good points, I'm saying it is clear which one is preferred as demonstrated above.  For the record I know quite a bit about Kansas City's skyline. Grey Wanderer (talk) 17:29, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good for them. I am not attached to my work, I simply want what's best for this article. That picture is an UGLY shot of Kansas City and fails to show some of our most prized landmarks, like the bartle pylons. Instead it shows the most ugly building in our skyline, the AT&T longlines building. The infobox picture is the most important picture in an article because it must show a good snapshot of a city, including all of it's important landmarks/skyscrapers. Mine does, while Charvex's does not.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enorton (talk • contribs) 05:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox skyline picture

message: It is only mentioned under architecture for its Euro-Style addition in 2008. It wasn't even linked to the main article. Shouldn't it be also mentioned as an Art Museum in section Culture? I think it's one of the important Art Museums of the USA. Hoverfish Talk 19:47, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art

message: Well this doesnt say anything about Two states have a city named Kansas City.  Name the state that calls Kansas City its capital.
:There is no city named "Kansas City" that is the capital of a U.S. state. Grey Wanderer (talk) 17:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Kansas City capitol

message: I have tried editing articles before, and I am not very good at it, plus they modified some within 24 hours anyhow.
They have the December and alltime low temp. for Kansas City as -19 deg. F. It hit -22 deg. F. in Dec 1989. (fix the Celcius also)
They have the average annual snowfall as 12.6 inches. It is 19.9 inches (fix the metric also)
They have the length of the street the Paseo as 19 miles. Not possible, it would be approximately 9 miles.
They have The first casino facility in the state opened in September 1994 in North Kansas City by Harrah's Entertainment. The Argosy
   in Riverside, MO opened a few months earlier.
Kansas City definitely has a Jackson County Courthouse (branch?) but I am not sure if it is a county seat. Independence is the only county seat
   as far as I know, but I may be wrong.
I would guess West Port is 4 or 5 miles from the river, not 3 as listed, but I am just guessing.
The little map of Downtown should say Bruce R. Watkins Drive, not just Bruce R. Watkins. The funny thing is, it was named after Watkins who
   spent many years opposing its construction.
-Andrew Goldblatt 66.143.32.53 (talk) 04:15, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Numerous mistakes in article 

message: there's unity temple, and unity villiage --- do they get a mention?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.251.194.21 (talk) 16:59, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "Unity" religion?

message: The 'Cityscape' section reads like a brochure. Can someone please clean it up to be more neutral and less of an advertisement? Ben (talk) 18:49, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Cityscape' Section

message: I'm fairly confident Kansas City, Missouri is actually Kansas City, Kansas.  After all I have visited Missouri several times and know well how proud the Missourians are and their deep seated jealousy of Kansas.  My father was a native Kansian and felt the hate of many a Missourian when he moved there in 1980 because he wanted nothing more than to happily live the bland life that can be so easily found in Missouri.  He was finally able to achieve that goal only once he agreed to deny his home town of Kansas City as well as the state of kansas as a whole.  I have been happy to educate you in this matter, please address this problem immediately.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.248.9.162 (talk) 04:55, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh....yeah. - Ecjmartin (talk) 11:52, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Real Location?

message: I'm pretty sure I'm not losing my mind but the 2010 population figure under Demographics keeps changing back and forth between 459,000 and 507,000.  and I'm talking it changing within seconds of viewing the page.  Hit Reload and the number changes.  Either someone is currently editing this number (although I checked the edit log and don't see any activity regarding it) or I need to see a doctor.  76.250.255.4 (talk) 03:33, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 Population 

message: There is no need for the Religion section to even exist, but if it does it should be under culture. NOT it's on multi-layered section. Similar section in other articles are formatted that way.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.87.146.9 (talk) 01:22, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Merge the unnecessary "Religion" section into the "Culture" section  

message: Would someone be interested in adding a Visual Arts section under the Culture heading? As director of a KC arts organization I understand that I am not the one to write it, but KC does have a thriving arts scene with organizations such as the Urban Culture Project/Charlotte Street Foundation and the H & R Block Artspace, new galleries such as Cara and Cabezas and Bill Brady, and artist-run spaces such as Plug Projects and the Subterranean Gallery (none of these are my home organization.) 65.69.169.137 (talk) 17:47, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visual Arts Section? 

message: Some user has changed the population to 510,245 when the 2010 Census counted 459,787.  Unless there is verifiable content to validate this, the data needs to reflect official data.  
As a matter of fact, I am going to change it back to the 2010 data, because it is verifiable.  If there's any dispute, feel free to talk with me.Madd0817 (talk) 19:37, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population Not Verifiable 

message: re: "one newer neighborhood just minutes from downtown is Briarcliff, though it is in the so-called "North-land" or simply "North of the River". "
It's a minor point, but I lived in Clay and Platte Counties for more than 50 years, and I've never once seen "Northland" with a hyphen in the middle. 
Also, to say it is "so-called" isn't quite right. About 50 percent of Kansas City's geographic area lies in Clay and Platte county, and as far as I know, there's no "so-called" about it. 
Nor is "North of the River" the simplified name.
Whether it's referred to as "Northland" or "North of the River" seems to depend on the way it's used. (e.g.: "I lived in the Northland for most of my life." or "I lived North of the River." Most Northlanders use the former.)
I'm sorry I can't cite any sources for this. All I can say is that the two names are a matter of common usage, and "the Northland" is also the usual designation on political maps. I have no idea which use came first (maps or common usage), or even whether they originated before Kansas City Manager L.P. Cookingham annexed the area (in the late 1950s, I think). 
Also, before the Northland's population boomed in the '80s and '90s, "the Northland" was also a  district designation in the same class as "Westport," "Midtown," and "The Plaza." This has probably changed to allow for the population increase, but there again, I'm not sure. 
I would have signed up and edited out the hyphen and the "so-called" myself -- but without citations, I wouldn't really be helping. Also, it almost sounds as if the original author was trying to say something that isn't quite clear. 
I figured I'd leave it to you to decide whether to make a change or not.
Regards,
Kathleen C
75.81.19.162 (talk) 04:16, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "North-land" 

message: Kansas City should probably advertise Google's internet effort.  It is a good attraction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_xRPA0CjJg
http://www.quora.com/Google-Fiber/What-is-Googles-goal-with-Google-Fiber
https://fiber.google.com/cities/#header=check  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.23.110.151 (talk) 15:55, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: "Google Fiber"

message: We all know the famous quote from "The Wizard of Oz". Author L. Frank Baum once traveled drunk on a bicycle over the bridge from Kansas City, Kansas, to Kansas City, Missouri, accompanied by his dog. Suddenly he began to laugh like a madman and cried out: "We're not in Kansas anymore, yet still in Kansas City." He laughed and laughed and finally included that phrase into his (then) newly written book "The Wizard of Oz", according to literatur professor Joseph P. Stern in a TV interview. It should be included in the article. 93.219.129.19 (talk) 15:56, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a link to the interview? A scholarly source would also be appropriate here. Grey Wanderer (talk) 23:51, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  We're not in Kansas anymore 

message: The article states: "Professional sports teams in Kansas City include the Kansas City Chiefs in football, the Kansas City Royals in baseball, and Sporting Kansas City in soccer." As Sporting KC plays in KCK, this statement is factually incorrect. Since Sporting is nonetheless associated with local culture, I think it's still worth a mention in the article (and after all, the two KCK casinos are mentioned in the article), but what would be the best way to reflect this and retain accuracy? Against the current (talk) 17:18, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct. The article needs to mention that the team  now plays in KCK and should probably make note of the years that the team played in Kansas City as the Wizards.  Grey Wanderer (talk) 23:51, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sporting Kansas City 

message: I grew up south of KC about 50 miles and there's a mistake in the climate/weather section. It states the record low temp was -22 set in 1899 and it was until December of 1989 when it reached -23 two nights in a row. I was only 13 but I remember it well. The local tv stations will back up what I say.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CD3F:9570:E043:58B9:DABC:5F53 (talk) 01:40, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Find a link to prove the official National Weather Service reading.  • Sbmeirow • Talk • 16:54, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on the thread you're using. Kansas City Int'l became the official station in 1972, but Downtown Airport continued to record data after that. I've changed the prose to reflect official records, but due to the availability of Downtown Airport data, the prose should continue citing normals from there unless discussion changes that. "My master, Annatar the Great, bids thee welcome!" 03:43, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: Not wanting to edit war, would editors kindly review the edits made to the "Religion" section made by 66.87.74.192?  Thanks!  78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 21:32, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, this article is about the city of Kansas City, MO only, and the provided source is about the metro area, which includes other cities besides Kansas City, MO.  http://www.bestplaces.net/religion/city/missouri/kansas_city is the source for Kansas City, MO.  Secondly, mentioning detailed information about various religious organizations present in KC isn't promoting specific churches anymore than mentioning BBQ in KC is promoting meat-eating over vegetarianism.  Thirdly telling me to stop editing the religion section or you will have me banned seems a bit much. Hald (talk) 22:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

text: I reverted the blanking of a long-standing section that had been created by multiple editors over several years.  That isn't "hijacking". My religious views are irrelevant to the issue of the unblanking the section. (Not really sure why you put charismatic in quotation marks either) Hald (talk) 23:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Certainly a less detailed picture about religion in KC.  Mentioning that KC is the seat of the Catholic Cathederal isn't going overboard on promoting Catholicism.  Mentioning that the world HQ of the Unity Church is nearby isn't going overboard on promoting Unitarianism.  Mentioning that the world HQ of the Church of the Nazarene is in nearby Lenexa after moving from KC isn't going overboard on promoting that body.  Mentioning that the Episcopal Diocese of West Missouri has a cathedral in downtown KC isn't going overboard on promoting Episcopalianism. Mentioning that the world HQ of the Community of Christ (formerly RLDS) is in nearby Independence isn't going overboard on promoting that body.  These are all facts that are true and not POV. Hald (talk) 23:44, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

text: I'll have to strongly disagree.  I belong to none of the specific religions mentioned (unless you call "other christian" specific), and I did not feel any of the wording promoted a specific religion or any religion at all, but demonstrated which organizations had a significant administrative presence in the area, which beliefs have been historically important to the KC, and conversely how KC itself was important to various beliefs.  Your source is not terribly reliable.  The section should be restored.  78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 00:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Additionally, There are several IP addresses using the same editing style.  There is nothing wrong with this, as this can happen while editing from different computers or just logging in and out, but I think a disclosure is warranted in the context of this discussion. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 00:17, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I recall seeing a couple years ago that someone started the KC religion section with only LDS, which seemed inappropriate given such a small portion of KC is LDS.  Then others started to add their preferred religions and churches, which was completely unnecessary as there is no religion in KC that is unique to rest of country and it comes across as a pitch.  Denver, St. Louis don't have a religion section, Chicago has a tiny blurb.  KC's did get out of hand so it makes sense to show only a list that represents the breakdown in KC. Even if not entirely accurate, it's in the ballpark.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.124.85.14 (talk) 04:16, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not much in Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline, but should keep it as neutral as possible.  • Sbmeirow • Talk • 03:50, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment - religion 

message: The list of zip codes in the info box is too long, and they should probably be eliminated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.56.13.119 (talk) 18:43, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zip Codes 

message: Hi.  I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure.  Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline.  I won't be changing any content, merely the order.  Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues.  I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out.  Thoughts?  Onel5969 (talk) 16:08, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure