Talk:Achaemenes

message: oddly speculated that Achaemenes was the son of the Greek hero Perseus and a grandson of Zeus
Should "grandson" be "granddaughter"? Anthony Appleyard 05:51, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand.  Achaemenes was a man.  Fishal 03:32, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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message: Guys, why not simply use BC/AC (Before /After) and sove the problem!
Kiumars 11:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: BC/AD

message: Due to the lack of historical sources on Achaemenes, his rule and existence are sometimes doubted. He may have been legendary. Darius I the Great may even have invented him so as to legitimize his rule. Since Darius was not an heir to the previous Shah, Cyrus the Great), it is contended that Darius invented an earlier ancestor shared by Cyrus and himself. In this way he was able to claim royal ancestry.
:Can you add links to references to support the claims please. Britanica seems to think he was real! http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9003515 Also, The guys who are working on Teispes of Anshan think he is the son of Achaemenes! How could he have a son if he was not real? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teispes
:What a mess!  Kiumars 11:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Is there anything to support these rumors and doubts!

message: This article is part of the NPOV backlog. Since the NPOV tag has been placed without any discussion here, and the text appears to be uncontroversal, and there seems to be no discussion suggesting disagreement, the tag is removed. If you disagree with this, please re-tag the article with  and post to Talk. -- Steve Hart 19:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tag will be re-added as the dates doesn't concorde with his son's dates by 2000 years ... that's a lot. Lincher 12:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  ok, but let me ask: this sounds more like a factual issue, what does it have to do with NPOV policy? -- Steve Hart 21:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact the date is confusing, but on the second look it became be apparent that it matches the times of his son. The sentence tells that he lived 2700 years ago. That means 700 BC. Teispes (the son of Achaemenes) was living: 675-640 BC. So it is even not the matter of factual accuracy. It is problem of formulation .--Reo ON  |  +++ 19:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: I agree with Steve Hart; this is an issue of accuracy, not of neutrality.  I'm changing the tag and adding a citation needed to some of the statements. Fishal 21:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: in some of the text translated in old persian script shows only several Question marks on my computer. what is the required font needed to view it and how is it acquired? i believe there must be some other readers couldnt see them.  Xmlv (talk) 20:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have found the Aegean font at http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_OldPersianC.html to work well for displaying old Persian cuneiform. --Wikiacc (¶) 00:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
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message: I reverted an edit by a user. The book he/she adds is "Isaac's empire". This book challenges 1000s of years historical facts and its thesis is "Ancient Persian Empire was really an empire made up of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel". I think we should follow a certain number of wikipedia guidelines:  "use works of specialists in the subject". Xashaiar (talk) 20:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: um, yes, this is just British Israelism, a cranky idea from the 18th century that survives in some religionist corners in the US. Remove under WP:FRINGE. --dab (𒁳) 06:59, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, the theory you like to add is WP:FRINGE and YES that type of theory prompted by the book does say "Ancient Persian Empire was really an empire made up of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel". This is the official description of the book. And beside, can you show us one scholar of Indo-European languages or Ancient Near East that supports that theory? You are right that "history is not an exact science" but this encyclopaedia should represent the point of view of those who are considered most reliable on the subject, right? Xashaiar (talk) 11:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you exactly talking about? Why did you list some books? For example "Tavernier, Iranica in the Achaemenid Period (ca. 550-330 B.C.), p. 17-18" that you list, mentions just what Haxamanish* is: the name of a Persian tribe and some related words and their occurences in other languages used by Achaemenian kings. So what did you list this book? Xashaiar (talk) 16:19, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

text: how what? Are you telling me that "your book is OK since your book uses fine references"? That's unacceptable for inclusion of the wrong info you proposed. And the article already uses high quality source for the section on etymology. Xashaiar (talk) 16:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Are you the same person? So why you do not learn to sign and respect talk pages so that I know who is talking... Second I asked you "PLEASE BRING SCHOLAR OF INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGES" I did not ask yo bring "scholars who speak an indo-european language". Moreover, your Yair Davidiy is no scholar at all. If you can find sources in the level of OED, The Cambridge History of Iran, The Cambridge Ancient History.. or something like them, then we can add their opinion as they are those that this article SHOULD represent their POVs. Xashaiar (talk) 17:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Because I saw two messages and no signature. Please sign your message. And please do read WP:UNDUE and WP:FRINGE. I am not happy with this article as I have not written more than one sentence of it. My mind is not set. If you can find anything appropriate in the sources I mentioned, then go on. Xashaiar (talk) 17:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

text: I meant please read thse wikipedia pages: WP:UNDUE and WP:FRINGE and also the first paragraph of WP:POV. Xashaiar (talk) 17:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

text: You read them? You think your theory is not FRINGE? You think your theory is along the line "representing the POVs of the main scholars and specialists who have produced reliable sources on the issue." (from wikipedia policy)? You think your theory is within mainstream that WP:UNDUE does no apply? Xashaiar (talk) 17:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

text: The point is wikipedia is not a place to "put any theory you like". It is an ecyclopaedia which follows rules. The theory you like is Fringe theory and not supported by mainstream scholars of the subjects (languages and ancient history). Xashaiar (talk) 20:53, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Why did you add Sanskrit? What is the reason? (Please do not bring that fringe theory here. What you add is their opinion). Why you do not add Chines? Since Iranian and Indian were old friend, does it mean we should add the name of a person who ruled (if at all) over a portion of present dar Fars province? IN entire wikipedia guidelines I could not find any policy that support inclusion of unrelated translation. If you see Greek, that's because from Greek (then Latin, then English) the modern English world came to know the name "Achaemenes". YOu said you are very new and do not know what to do, could you please for the time being leave a message in the talk page and ask about relevancy of the info you want to add? If you still like to add Sanskrit, please provcide a source that indicates other indo-european languages got the name "achaemenes" from Sanskrit (this is obviousely false). Xashaiar (talk) 08:14, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
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