Talk:History of biology

message: am just giving everyone here a heads up to keep watch of the edits that jagged85 makes.  This guy is either the biggest lier/distorter or just plain lost when it comes to any matter dealing with science.  Am in the process of writting full expose on claims and facts he makes about science in the islamic world.  To give everyone here a a little taste of his great scholarship and which has importance for biology, at one time he wrote that muslims intiated the fields of microbiology and bacteriology because they made wild speculative guesses on "contagious entities"---he claimed that this marked the beggining of microbiology lol, sure how about first discovering them first.  Pretty much every piece he has written is flagged under some unflattering tag(fatcual accuracy, neutrality, etc).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.181.171 (talk) 05:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What does any of this have to do with this article, exactly? If you feel like attacking me for no good reason, you're welcome to do so on my talk page, but this is not the place to do it. Also, I find it high suspicious that you would hide behind an IP address and not confront me directly with your real username, although I suspect I might know who you are. And please, I don't ever remember claiming they founded microbiology, and only two of the articles I've written are currently disputed, so spare me the exaggerated nonsense. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 18:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Further to the above, I came across problems with one of Jagged 85's sources. (For full details see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#The Islamic Contribution to Science, Mathematics and Technology: Towards Motivating the Muslim Child and the Jagged 85 cleanup project that it links to.) Because of the many problems, including misrepresenting sources, undue weight and so forth, that have been ascribed to him I am reverting some of his changes, represented by this combined diff. I will look at the rest of his edits to this article in due course. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 01:50, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
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message: Hi, nice article, although I miss (or simply have missed) a plain translation of the term, from Greek "bios", "life" etc. for all those non-greek speakers. My main concern here, though, is to bring in the tale of how the invention of biology as a theory of "life force" was not some random new-agey or religious speculation, but derived from arguments about the very nature of physics itself, specifically on two points: "The notion of a «vital force» sprang out of the need to explain two questions: The apparent asymmetry between cause and effect, and the occurrence of ordering processes. The asymmetry can be observed when adding water to a piece of rock, resulting in wet rock, versus adding water to a seed, resulting in e.g. an oak tree. Here the latter effect, compared to the low-energy cause, has and effect whit a volume of energy that breaches the requirement of energy symmetry in a physical process or chemical reaction. Biological processes also produce order, or alter the distribution of order and disorder, in a manner most physical processes do not." The preceding is my version of notions found in Bernhard Verbeek: «Kultur als kritische Phase der Evolution» in «Biologie und Ethik», ed. E. Engels, Reclam, Stuttgart 1999. Three questions: a) Relevance (which I leave to others to evaluate); b) Better formulation in English (not my first, so leave that to others); and c) whether or not this belongs to this article, or perhaps in an article on Vitalism itself, or some such topic. The reason I present it here, is that the thoughts mentioned above had a great part in establishing the "theory of living things" as a discipline distinct from physics and chemistry, and so is kinda foundational for the 18./19, century emergence of Biology as a separate discipline in the first place. T 84.208.65.62 (talk) 10:02, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vitalism, where?