Talk:Ian Svenonius

message: First, I'd like to thank everyone for the great contributions to this page. I remember checking it less than a year ago and finding nothing. Very glad to see so many people lending a hand and thought. So many critics and reviews have dismissed Ian and the groups he's been involved with as an ironic and pretentious joke. Hopefully, Wikipedia can deliver what so many critics have fallen short of: an intelligent overview of each group's style, ideas and context. 
However, I think there are a few things on this page that need to be cleaned up. Most importantly, much of the band info needs to be moved to the respective band page. (NOU, MAKE UP, CCC). 
Ian has served as a "mouthpiece" for each band he's been involved with and each band has been based on distinct theories and, most importantly, a specific social context. Because of this, I think the ideas created from the context of each band should be moved to the respective band page. 
I even think the discography info might need to be moved, but I'm not sure. I can't find another case where the page of a lead singer lists every release from the bands he/she sings for. I think the discography info breaks up the continuity of the page/bio. If anyone else has any thoughts please share them.
I'm hoping to make a few changes in the next week or so. If anyone has any suggestions or disagreements feel free to discuss, or email me and let me know. thanks__  The Deformed Child  02:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: This article is really bloated with content.  It's all good stuff, but it should be organized and prioritized a little better.  I added links to the main articles discussing the individual bands, and I'll start distilling the bands' entries to the most relevant points, specifically the ones that relate to Svenonius Drewcifer3000 01:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article cleanup

message: I don't see why the background section should be included personally. It doesn't seem relevent to the artist's work, makes the article unneccesarily long, 
and is probably dated since the information is from an old source. It seems more appropriate for historical characters. Thanks, Ooooooooops!
:As far as I know, this is pretty standard practice of Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography.  Just for a few random examples, see Bob Marley, Kurt Cobain, and Melissa Auf der Maur.  As for the source itself, it is definately dated, but the fact of where he was born, who his parents are, etc, don't change with time, so I don't see any problem with it.   However, some of the language does imply the information is current ("His father teaches"... "his mother works"... stuff like that).  Maybe a bit of language change for those two sentences might be in order... Drewcifer3000 08:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oooooops seems to be deleting content as quickly as I can put it up.  I have responded on his Talk Page. Drewcifer3000 00:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Good idea. Drewcifer (talk) 02:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Background

message: Perhaps the description in the intro is not really necessary. It's repeated further down. Wwwhatsup (talk) 01:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Make Up

message: Born when?
Warrington (talk) 14:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was curious about this as well. It says categories - 1968 births, but has no reference. Bangabandhu (talk) 01:38, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Born

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message: The article defines the political outlook of his music and writings as being "anti-authoritarian marxist" but having just read his recent book "Censorship Now", the running theme throughout was defence and rehabilitation of the USSR, especially from the late 1950s onwards. In fact, he regularly attacks the "juvenile" anti-authoritarian nature of rock and roll in several essays.
I therefore suggest that the article is edited to say his work has simply has a "Marxist" outlook, or if you wanted to be more specific you could say his approach is one of historical materialism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_materialism).
(Dec 27, 2017)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.7.129 (talk) 22:39, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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message: In earlier version of this entry (circa 2014), it refers to his middle name as Folke, not F, as it appears now. I'd figure out what's going on, but maybe someone already knows. Bangabandhu (talk) 01:52, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle name?