Talk:Moulin Rouge!/Archive 1

message: The article says christian is English. is this just someone using British and English interchangeably? i don't have a copy of the film, but i'm sure that he speaks with a scottish accent - and his father in the flashback certainly has a very broad scots accent. anyone know for sure? User: amoammo—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.68.31 (talk) 19:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen the film recently, but does it explicitly state that he is English? If it doesn't then we can't say he is English, or Scottish etc and should stick to British. Andrewjd 18:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The actor's nationality is superfluous; he used a different accent in the film than his normal one.  María (críticame) 19:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Christian = English?

message: Over the past few years, the film has gotten more credit from previous naysayers and is widely regarded as a modern classic
Maybe a few critics regard it as a classic, but "widely"?   That doesn't sound right.  --Funkmistress 20:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what this is doing here since it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the (much) earlier conversation, but it's made clear during the film that Satine is a courtesan/prostitute. Doniago (talk) 13:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "Modern classic"?

message: Is it just me or are the plots of Moulin Rouge and The Phantom of the Opera oddly similar? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.60.60.207 (talk) 21:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Phantom of the Opera  

message: We watched it on netflix, and I cannot get over the triteness of the storyline. The movie subsists barely on the quick, ADD-trained cuts and overt references to pop music. Meanwhile, the fascinating, rich cultural heritage of fin-de-siecle Paris - which surely could have been reduced to a palatable stew for hollywood-trained audiences - goes completely by the wayside, making the movie a ridiculous farce, a very flat paneled stage set indeed, whereas rich, heterogenous storylines could have been an easily obtained gift - by the likes of Balzac, Maupassant, Zola.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.116.253.194 (talk) 05:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triteness in a shiny package 

message: Kidman says in the DVD extras that she wanted the part only after she heard who was directing it (likely because of her other comments of being apprehensive about singing on camera). It says 'citation needed' so that's where she's said it on record. NorrYtt (talk) 15:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kidman casting 

message: Does anybody know the ! is used in the title but not on the DVD release? Lukeyboyuk (talk) 01:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ! 

message: Can that be right?  Wasn't Star Wars II still a screenplay in 1999?VatoFirme (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article says principle filming was completed in May of 2000. The Attack of the Clones entry says it started production in June of 2000. So yes. ~ Brother William (talk) 15:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Had to make room for Star Wars II?

message: What are things like "(There Was A Boy)" doing sprinkled throughout the text? Are these song titles? Surely there is a better way to indicate this.--Filll (talk | wpc) 14:46, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I think the major problems lie in the "Honors and Awards" section and the "Soundtrack" section. The H&A section is just too much, with the infobox-thing and the separate lists and subsections. I think it really needs to be edited down to something closer to Blade Runner, but even for my tastes Blade Runner is sort of overkill. I'd like to see it written in prose, but I can't find anything in the manual of style about that. It seems important to note that it won awards, maybe specifically major awards, but other than that, it's just a lot of bloat. The soundtrack section already has a separate article with specific info, so I don't think there needs to be a list of every (or nearly every) song in the film. Maybe someone should strike up a specific Template:Todo?--imaek (talk) 00:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean up

message: . For one thing, it makes no grammatical sense. What is the truth? Does anyone have the DVD?--Filll (talk | wpc) 16:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This edit looks lousy  

message: 03-Aug-2008: Because there are so many songs (over 30) in the film, this is a reminder that Wikipedia uses the system of logical quotations, putting commas/periods outside of quotation marks, unless quoting an entire sentence.  Unlike in English grammar, commas should be placed after quotation marks in listing song titles, such as: "Chiquitita", "Fernando", "I Have a Dream".  Opera and film names have their titles italicized rather than quoted unless using teletype font. Excessive commas are termed "comma splices" in formal punctuation rules. -Wikid77 (talk) 20:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Punctuating titles

message: Forgot to tag this as a minor edit and leave an explanation for the edit.  I added additional members of the cast some time ago, including the character of "The Unconscious Argentinian," the reason being, of course, that characters with much less screen name were included on the first cast list (such as Audrey, whom we meet at the very beginning, but never see again).  Someone changed the character's name to "The Narcoleptic Argentinean."  Technically, it's more accurate to refer to him as "The Narcoleptic Argentinean," since he doesn't spend his entire screen time unconscious, but he is listed in the movie credits and on various websites as "The Unconscious Argentinean," therefore he is mentioned in the cast list as such.  PatrickLMT (talk) 16:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cast

message: Just pointing out that sub-headings 5 and 7 list the same information, albeit in two different formats.  Perhaps these should be condensed into one section, as it's rather confusing this way?  Quotidianscribe (talk) 06:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Two Awards Sections?

message: Upon reading reviews at Filmtracks.com, I stumbled upon an issue that I think is pertinent to the article. The reviewer, Christian Clemmensen, explians that Fox threatened to sue the site for including audio clips of the score promo CD of Moulin Rouge by Craig Armstrong. This, in turn, had Clemmensen dedicate quite some time to rant about it. Has this informationbeen included in the article before and was erased? I say this because I was inclined to add it in the article, that is, if it wasn't included before due to some Wikipedia guidelines or personal reasons. Please contact me on my talk page to further discuss this. Thank you --Surten (talk) 17:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soundtrack controversy 

message: I'm not a film buff but trying to sort out a dab page at Martin Brown. There's a producer of this name listed for this film at Academy Award for Best Picture and in IMDB, but not on this page. According to IMDB he also produced Romeo + Juliet but isn't listed there. Is this an ingenious hoax, or should his name appear in this article? Or do producers just not get much of a mention? I've dabbed him as Martin Brown (producer), a redlink. PamD (talk) 11:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now found that he was removed in this edit, with no edit summary.  Has anyone got a Reliable Source to verify whether he should be listed or not? PamD (talk) 11:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And that editor was a sockpuppet, and AFI site here verifies he was producer, so I've reinstated him. PamD (talk) 12:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martin Brown 

message: Is it just me, or has NO ONE got the obvious clue that this movie is a stylized rip-off of the movie Camille? The plot of Camille involves a famous courtesan who is dying of consumption, who is set up to meet a rich duke at the theatre but mistakes a poor guy for him instead and tries to seduce him, falls in love with the poor man after all, ends up meeting the real duke and becomes his possession and can't see the poor man anymore, sneaks out to see the poor man but is eventually caught by the duke, sends away the poor man and pretends not to love him for his own good, the poor man comes back disillusioned and throws money at her to "pay" for the love she gave him, and then in the end they reconcile and she dies in his arms.
THEY ARE THE SAME PLOT.  I'm kind of outraged nobody has pointed this out.  I mean I love Camille AND I love Moulin Rouge, but you can't ignore the blatant similarities.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.225.210.174 (talk) 01:02, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. Do you have a reliable source for this, or is this just original research and hence inappropriate for inclusion?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Doniago (talk • contribs) 20:51, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

text: IMDb is not a reliable source. Cheers. Doniago (talk) 16:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Camille

message: Since the subject is French courtesans from the turn of the last century, the movie bears similarity to the famous novel Nana by Emile Zola.  The novel is about the rise and fall to fame of a French courtesan/actress in Paris (about 1880). It's not widely read in the US, but it's very well known in France. Several characters even have similar names (Nini/Nana, Satine/Satine). Does anyone know if the screenwriter was inspired by the novel? 78.240.11.120 (talk) 20:37, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  inspired by [[Nana (novel)|Nana]] ? 

message: Below section had been tagged for needing sources since 2010. Unsourced material has been removed from the current copy of the article. Feel free to reincorporate information in the below section with appropriate citations, though IMDb ratings are not considered noteworthy in any case. Doniago (talk) 13:49, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced Material 

message: Under the topic "Production" 
This article states "The movie also features editing that several critics compared to a music video, involving swirling camera motion, loud music, dancing, and frenetic cutting." 
A more explicit way to describe this statement would be to use the precise film terms. For example "Swirling camera motion"= panning camera motions or "Frenetic cutting"= jump cut editing. Mariaquijano (talk) 16:28, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production 

message: Doesn't seem to be a postmodern film based on my reading of Postmodernist film, but I'd welcome other opinions. DonIago (talk) 12:54, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Postmodern? 

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