Talk:PlayStation 3/Archive 17

message: I think the reception part of this article only shows 1 side of the story, at the time I seem to remember a significant number of negative reviews regarding the PS3, articles pointing to the fact that even just after launch PS3's were easily available in stores, when compared to the Xbox and Wii launch, where neither system was readily available for months, and it is debatable that the Wii still isn't available. Also the launch party in Paris turned into a bit of a Shambles, and I think most of the attention was drawn to Microsoft with their party crashing stunts. StevenAFC
:Well, that is not the case in Europe, where, in Great Britain, some one hundred and sixty-five thousand were sold in, what, two days. More than the Wii and the Xbox 360 did in that same period. Also, speaking of sales, has anyone any new offical sales results for the Playstation 3 in Europe. The sales section of the article has sales reported a mere four days after launch.Michael Mad 21:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reception

message: This section "On his SuperSite for Windows, Microsoft's MVP Paul Thurrott said in a review of the PS3 that Sony "absolutely has a winner on its hands" and that the console "has the technical prowess to not only compete, but win this round."[133]"
the phrase "Microsoft's MVP Paul Thurrott" implies that Paul works for Microsoft.  he does not.
This should be simply "Microsoft MVP Paul Thurrott".
70.178.154.145 18:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paul Thurrott 

message: This article is way too long, a lot of the information is duplicated from other articles and does not belong here. I have a few ideas and would appreciate some feedback before making any changes to the article:
# Major reduction in text in Release data and pricing section, move it to Playstation 3 launch.
# Complete removal of table in Release data and pricing section, move it to Playstation 3 launch.
# Major reduction in text in the first section of Games section. Possibly make new article Playstation 3 launch games or new section in Playstation 3 launch.
# Removal of some text in Graphical user interface belongs in Cross Media Bar or not at all.
Cheers. – ARC GrittTALK—The preceding comment was added 12:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty much agree with all of that, i'd even suggest a complete removal of the 'Games' text, and simply have it linking to a separate article (List of PS3 Games?). It's a haven for (lack of) NPOV, people keep editing it into some sort of advertisement. It's pretty useless. Slydevil 20:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also believe that the large table entitled "Operating System Versions" should be split off into a new article. – ARC GrittTALK 21:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Is Way Too Long 

message: 3.6 Million PS3s have been sold as of March 2007. Also, the figure should be updated again in June after the console goes on sale in Korea.
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=16171
http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=112412
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/may2007/gb20070516_346923.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_businessweek+exclusives
http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2007-05-17T061317Z_01_T275737_RTRIDST_0_TECH-SONY-GAME-COL.XML
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/17/bloomberg/ps3.php
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/International__Business/Sony_hits_high_pitch_on_hopes_of_better_PS3_performance/articleshow/2058542.cms
Also, I have been hearing that sales of the PlayStation 3 console on Amazon spiked after Gamers' Day. Michael Mad 21:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 million sales figure is out of date 

message: In the 2nd paragraph of the article, it says:
"A single-layered Blu-ray disc boasts a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB. This is over 3x the maximum storage capacity of a single and dual-layered DVD-9 respectively, used in other consoles."
Now, you cannot have a single-layered DVD-9. The definition of DVD-9 is a single-sided dual-layered DVD, which is 8.5GB. Whereas a DVD-18 is a double-sided dual-layered DVD, which is 17GB.
So should it be re-written as:
"A single-layered Blu-ray disc boasts a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB. This is just under 3x the maximum storage capacity of a DVD-9 and DVD-18 respectively, used in other consoles."
or maybe:
"A single-layered Blu-ray disc boasts a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB. This is just under 6x the maximum storage capacity of a single and dual-layered DVD respectively, used in other consoles."
or better still:
"A single-layered Blu-ray disc boasts a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, which is approximately 3x the maximum storage capacity of a DVD-9, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB, about 6x the maximum storage capacity of a DVD-9."
Just to remind people:
DVD-5  (single-sided single-layered)              = 4.7GB,
DVD-9  (single-sided dual-layered)                = 8.5GB,
DVD-10 (double-sided single-layered)              = 9.4GB,
DVD-14 (double-sided single-layered/dual-layered) = 13.2GB,
DVD-18 (double-sided dual-layered)                = 17.0GB
So, any thoughts?
Dancinginblood 00:31, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the dig at other consoles seems POV (remember this is a encyclopedia, not a sales brochure), other than that any of the options are fine. -- MisterHand 12:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have changed it to A single-layered Blu-ray disc has a maximum storage capacity of 25 GB, while a dual-layered disc holds up to 50 GB, almost 6x the maximum storage capacity of a DVD-9., if you feel it needs any further changes, go ahead and change it. :) – ARC GrittTALK 20:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sounds good. Excellent. -- Dancinginblood 23:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I honestly believe that this information should be only in the article on Blu-ray Discs and I feel that it is redundant to put it in the PS3 article. If someone did not know what a Blu-ray Disc was, they could simply follow the wikilink. The Blu-ray article does an excellent job of describing the technical aspects of the disc. This article is about the PS3, not Blu-rays.69.205.185.158 19:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD sizes 

message: in the features chart at the top of the article, under HDMI, the 20GB model is listed as having HDMI, this is not the case and should be corrected in the interests of accuracy.
The 20GB model does have HDMI, it was added in a month or two before release. 72.12.138.36 18:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the features chart at the top of the article 

message: I'm going to remove the 'User Modifications' section, as I believe on an article about the hardware, it is simply not notable. I'm sure millions over the world modify their products. Not only that, but how do you decide which modifications are notable. We also don't need the article to be any longer. Thanks. Slydevil 15:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I don't think the article length would've been a strong enough reason, I think the spelling/grammatical errors, coupled with the fact that it just didn't 'fit' warrants removing the section. (In addition, of course, to your primary reasons of lack of notability, and the difficulty of deciding which modifications could be notable) Bladestorm 15:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section Removal 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:PS3 60GIG BOX.jpg

message: Should it be noted in the reception section that the song "How to Kill a Brand" (link here) focased on basically how "Sony killed the playstation brand"? Unknownlight 01:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say that I wasn't giving the PS3 any dignity, I just wondered if it should be noted. That's all. Unknownlight 18:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ps3 song? 

message: Can anyone confirm that all PS3 support worldwide voltage? or is it just the Japanese PS3? Lancerex6 09:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does PS3 support 110V ~ 240V

message: What about a mention of http://www.ps3grid.net/PS3GRID/ ?  It is a distributed computing science project that is specifically designed for the PS3 platform. Vgy7ujm 16:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: PS3GRID

message: I keep hearing from www.gamepro.com. There are people saying that 11th June or July, there will be a huge announcement by Sony.. What's that? Anyone heard of this before? -Leong
:--Sorry, it appears to be bogus-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.149.87.57 (talk • contribs).
It was an announcement about The Agency MMO that is coming out on the PC and the PS3. Starwarsrulez 02:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this 11th June about? 

message: I don't see why it was put in the article Ken Kutaragi he stepped down because of the ps3. I can't seem to find a quote from Sony or Ken stating he stepped down due to lack of sales. Unless someone can find evidence otherwise I think the statement should be removed. Lt. penguin 21:21, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The headline of the article reads "Playstation boss pays the price of weak sales". Seems cut and dry to me. -- MisterHand 21:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What that sounds like to me is a hook, to grab the viewers attention and I don't think it is properly justified. Lt. penguin 19:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article cited is speculation, not fact, wikipeida is for fact, not gossip... Df747jet 03:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored the statement. Contrary to popular belief, Wikipedia is not fact, it is verifiability. In other words, we don't need something to be true, we just need someone better qualified (that is, reliable) to speculate.According to Wikipedia:Verifiability, The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Hope that clarifies the matter. -- ReyBrujo 04:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All Wikipeida articles should be written in a 'neutral point of view' saying that "As a result, (of insufficient) sales the head of gaming at Sony, Ken Kutaragi, stepped down in April 2007," is biased because the article that it cites is misinterpreted. The statement tries to show that he left because he failed at his position. He retired because he is 56--common for the wealthy to retire...if you still want verification please read the following: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6169725.html Df747jet 23:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree with 747 and i think the article should be changed, whats the point of having an encyclopedia when all its contents are wrong. I think that if neutrality and verifiability conflict that verifiability should win but I have seen articles stating ken retired of age and other reasons (which should be acceptable under both), look under the update in: http://psp.joystiq.com/2007/04/26/sonys-ken-kutaragi-announces-plans-to-retire/2 . It states that Ken planned to retire for a while. Lt. penguin 21:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article quotes the Wall Street Journal, a very reputable news agency, as saying 'Ken Kutaragi was a "stumbling block" for Sony', 'the 57-year-old exec was recently kicked upstairs, removing him from day-to-day operations following what many considered to be a botched strategy for the PlayStation 3'. It is only SCEI's official statement which says he was retiring for other reasons. I will add both of these bits to the article to give both the media and the Sony sides of the story. - ARC GrittTALK 21:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that sounds like a fair compromise. Lt. penguin 14:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ken Kutaragi 

message: Should we mention that PS3 is selling less than the game boy advance and will be included in the dead platforms soon? After all, this article is so bad that it just can't get worse. Sir Dante 14:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know you're just making a joke, but since somebody is sure to answer this anyways, I think I will. No, the PS3 isn't in direct competition with the GBA (both systems probably sold a lot less than some lines of cellphones, which can typically play games, but we don't include that either). Nor should we speculate that it's going to be a "dead platform". Much as I don't like the system, I think everybody knows that it'll pick up eventually (though, to what extent, is a mystery). Bladestorm 14:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was a especially well-thought reply to a joke question VTNC 17:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The sales 

message: The PS3 has sold 1 million units in the UK!Themasterofwiki 18:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PAL also includes Australia and New Zealand. -- MisterHand 19:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PAL includes all of Europe and both Australia/New Zealand. 1 million in the UK in 3 months would be almost impossible. TJ Spyke 02:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PAL Sales 

message: "Poor sales and high costs of the PS3 led to Sony's games division posting a loss of ¥232.3 billion ($1.97 billion US) in the fiscal year ended March 2007" - Criticism
Since the PS3 sells at a hefty loss per unit, the greater this figure is, the more PS3's are sold. They will take losses regardless of "poor sales", so please remove that little obfuscation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitamaru (talk • contribs) 
:It doesn't work that way. The cost to manufacturer each console is already spent, so when Sony sells a console -- even though they don't recoup their full costs -- they get some of that money back. In other words, the more consoles sold, the less their loss will be. -- MisterHand 21:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather isnt it units shipped that determines how much of their money sony gets back?Bushido Brown 01:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  "They actually gain the money spent with software sales." Sorry what!? Are you from the future? How could you, better than anyone else here, possibly know that this is what's going to happen? Can we stick to determining facts, go to a fanboy forum if you want to speculate... Gantlord 13:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About SCE's Loss 

message: Why ist IPTV just with the Korean version possible?
Every version can connect to the internet.. and with a softwareupdate IPTV should be avaliable..McCoother 13:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 80GB Korean PS3 is idential to Euro 60GB PS3, aside from HDD. --205.179.229.226 12:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it is misleading to say only the Korean version supports IPTV.  There is no extra hardware for IPTV.  But like you said a software update is needed for IPTV support outside Korea.  Sony if you are reading this, give all PS3's IPTV support.  I'm in the USA and already have IPTV to my house.  I would rather use my PS3 to view it then the crappy set-top-box I have to rent now.The Goat 12:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Korean PS3 software is identical to Euro, US and Japan PS3.  The confusion comes from the Korean PS3 being IPTV capable. It was never stated that other units were not capable.  Infact PS3's from ALL region are IPTV ready. --Mgillespie 12:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

text: All PS3's are IPTV ready?  Then how do I connect my PS3 to my IPTV service?  Hardware wise yes they are all IPTV ready.  But not software wise.The Goat 18:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPTV just in Korean version? 

message: In the article it states that "The PlayStation 3 uses a version of the NetFront browser by Access Co. as its internal web browser. " but if you read OFFICIAL interviews with the higher ups at sony(mainly by those speaking only Japanese) say that it was developed INTERNALLY but sony.
Just thought I'd point it out before someone looks it up on a website that bases it so called facts on mere appearance and not any official sources. I have fixed this in the article about the web browser but its hard to proven when you can't translate Japanese to English.
Once again...Appearances aren't everything. --71.252.209.111 20:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WRONG!!! "The PlayStation 3 uses a version of the NetFront browser by Access Co. as its internal web browser. " 

message: http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6173349.html
We can say that the combined sales for Australia and Europe are AT LEAST 1,050,000.
7FlushSetzer 19:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 has sold 50k units in Australia 

message: Since its release, the Playstation 3 has also been outselling the Wii and the Xbox 360 in Australia.
I believe this sentence is misleading as it implies that the PS3 has sold more units since its launch than the Wii did in the same amount of weeks after its launch, which is not true. Comments? - ARC GrittTALK 22:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading Sentence 

message: Anyone think it's worth mentioning the Internet news/blog sites hat campaign aganist Sony and the PS3?  Even a total idiot can see the PS3 comes in for unfair criticism, and it's nothing more than sites wanting to knock the previous generations winner..  Is it also worth mentioning Microsoft's FUD war against the PS3? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgillespie (talk • contribs) 
Microsoft isnt using FUD, its because they have unlimited funding, unlike sony who realies on PS2 and PS3 sales as the main income for money.
If you have a reliable source to back up your claims, then perhaps it is worth mentioning. Oh, and please sign your posts. Michael Mad 12:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Short answer: No. --Ciao 90 23:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, if this alleged "Sony Hate Campaign" exists, it's only because Sony deserved it.C. Pineda 23:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Czarbender: this isn't a forum to express your opinion, were talking about improving the article here (in case you didn't read the top of the page). Df747jet 19:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sony Hate Campaign 

message: Non notable, in Google Search the first 20 pages no results for Phantasy Star 3 and being a gamer for years never heard PS3 in reference for that game. --Ciao 90 14:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Talk:PlayStation_3/Archive_15#Phantasy_Star_III_redirect --Ciao 90 14:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. I have never heard "PS3" refer to Phantasy Star 3 and I seriously doubt there's anybody searching for it using that acronym. -- MisterHand 14:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 - Phantasy Star 3 reference 

message: Many sites are reporting the horrendous failure rates of the 360 (between 25% and 30%), and comparing to the PS3 and Wii systems with less than 1%.  I think this is important information that should be added to the article. --195.75.83.25 16:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Section 4.6. Although the current wording seems a bit POV to me. -- MisterHand 16:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it should be added to this article, it is mentioned in the 360 article already. You could add the PS3's failure rate to the hardware section if its not already there, but the 360's should stay out. Lt. penguin 14:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 System Reliability < 1% failure rate 

message: I have heard that though the PS3 is currently a failure in terms of video gaming it may have tipped the blu-ray format war to Sony. It would be nice to see something of this sort in the article. 71.219.94.176 00:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find an article to back this up, then go ahead. VTSPOWER 10:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HD format war 

message: http://news.com.com/Sony+cuts+PS3+price+by+100/2100-1043_3-6195402.html?tag=nefd.top
http://kotaku.com/gaming/truth/retailer-confirms-100-ps3-price-cut-275456.php
Ofcourse this is kotaku, a blog site. So take it with a grain of salt, just saying to you account holders to expect this addition to the article in the coming weeks.
76.64.193.9 01:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: DailyTech has similar news. —Anas talk? 22:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sony announces $100 ps3 price cut right before E3 

message: Why isn't the price of the console mentioned anywhere in the article? - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have added the following to the sales and pricing section: they are priced at $499 and $599 respectively. The pricing got removed when the large table was moved to the launch article. - ARC GrittTALK 07:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price 

message: I have done some edits, as the original article implied that only Korean PS3's had IPTV compatability, and that there was some internal hardware difference to the PAL PS3.  Sony have confirmed that the only difference is the 80GB HDD.  Son in effect all PS3's are IPTV ready. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgillespie (talk • contribs) 17:55, July 7, 2007
: Please could you provide a reference for this. Thanks - ARC GrittTALK 17:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  NVM found one:  :) - ARC GrittTALK 17:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPTV/Korean PS3 

message: 60GB PS3 with 5 free Blu-Ray movies for $499 in Target, Best Buy, Circuit City etc.....
http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/4586
http://www.ps3news.ca/07072007/22/confirmed_499_ps3_has_been_sold_at_target
http://www.psu.com/node/11976
http://www.laptoplogic.com/news/detail.php?id=2686
http://kotaku.com/gaming/rumor/more-moles-confirm-ps3-price-drop-275588.php
its been dropped http://www.gamespot.com/news/6173806.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0--Dentine 02:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whether its official or not, the price has been lowered by many shops (Sony are waiting for E3 to announce it) 

message: I'm curious about the wording in the beginning of the article, "...and the successor to the PlayStation and PlayStation 2." Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't something only succeed the direct previous model in a line? That is, can't it technically only be the successor to the PS2 due to the very fact the PS2 succeeded the PS1? I'd alter it myself, but I wanted to know if there was some official reason why it's worded this way before I stuck my nose in. But, to me it's bit like saying, "The Wii is the successor to the Nintendo 64 and Nintendo GameCube," or, "The Sega Dreamcast is the successor to the Sega Master System, the Sega Genesis/32X/CD and the Sega Saturn," or "The Core2 Duo CPU succeeds the Pentium, Pentium II, Pentium III, Pentium IV...." Well, you get the point. Any thoughts? Danny 21:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I guess it's only the successor to the PS2. - ARC GrittTALK 21:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Successor to...?  

message: I couldn't help but notice that the "Publicity and reception" portion of this page has nothing but good things to say about the PS3. Since this is suppose to be an unbiased website, I feel that it is fair to include the overwhelmingly negative press the PS3 has received. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the PS3 is indeed receiving more negative press than positive. I know that's asking a lot, considering this page is run by a slew of Sony fanboys but 10X better than bretchels comp. --172.146.207.110 01:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negative 

message: Alrighty, it's been 4 days into the hold, so here's a review update:
# The content disputes/discussions that have sprung up during the hold period needs to be resolved. The amount of significant edits to the article has ramped up significantly since last review.
# Dancter has tagged the intro for rewrite. GA can't be achieved with cleanup tags in place.
# Playstation SVG image with disputed licensing needs resolution.
# Image:XMB_of_PS3.jpg still needs a fair use rationale.
# Image:Ubuntu-on-ps3.jpg needs to be replaced with an alternative or, preferably, removed. The image has the wrong license (it's just a Ubuntu login screen), and the image has nothing in it that proves it's being run on a PS3, besides the image description text.
# Is there a reason Template:Dedicated video game consoles is placed in that particular location?
# I remember that there's been criticism that the PS3 platform is hard to develop for. This is not mentioned in the article.
# Unnecessary detail in the article still needs to be reduced. If the section has its own main article, try to keep all those details in the main article instead.
# Merge or expand the "Form factor and power consumption" section. It's too small for a section by itself.
Carson 22:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to have to fail this, also per the use of . Solve the issues mentioned above and bring it GAC again. Giggy UCP 04:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you really do that?! I thought they're supposed to get the full 7 days to solve problems. Carson 04:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's minimum 2, maximum 5 last time I checked.  In any case, there's a long list of changes required. Giggy UCP 21:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Follow-up

message: In the Publicity and Reception section, the last sentence in the third paragraph is repeated. I'd remove it myself, but the article is locked.
: Fixed, thanks! Remember, you can edit this article yourself if you get a Wikipedia account. :) - ARC GrittTALK 22:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistake

message: Is this true?
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article2750521.ece
:Heh... well, so far, I only know of "Jack Tretton, the chief executive of Sony Computer Entertainment America" saying that it has the lowest. Of course, it'd depend on what "industry" you're comparing. If you're only talking about the industry of high-definition-capable-seventh-genderation-consoles, which, of course, is only two machines, then yes. If you're talking about the industry of PlayStation consoles, then yes. If you're talking about the videogame industry as a whole, then there's really no way to prove it either way. Bladestorm 23:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PlayStation 3 "has the lowest failure rate in the industry" 

message: How does the power supply work for the ps3? I've been told that it only gets power from the Tv its connected too, and does not have a plug. Is this true? If not, how does the plug difference effect the North American and pal regions? Because as i understand it they both have different mains supply voltages.
Also, is it possible to use a North American ps3 in Europe and vice-versa? --Chickenfeed9 20:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has a plug. It is not possible for a video game console to be powered via it's connection to your television. -- -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 20:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  power supply 

message: Even though the source says that it is as of July 9th, the article says the sales were as of May. Let's not use sales as of 2 months ago and not admit to it.
7FlushSetzer 16:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please try to assume good faith. David Reeves was not "lying", so to speak, and the contributor probably did not mean any deception. My guess is that they mistakenly assumed that the sales figure was valid as of the date the article was published online (July 9), and didn't read the article closely enough. If you find an error, you should be bold and fix it yourself. So far it looks like you've been a back seat driver on Wikipedia. Dancter 21:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I just sent you a welcome message with some links to information that should help you in getting "behind the wheel", as it were. In any case, it's still important to heed the talk page guidelines when commenting. Dancter 23:41, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playstation 3 sales in America 

message: I had to go back and reread it but I found it interesting that the PS3, according to this article, both was outsold and outsold the Xbox 360 in June.  There are some numbers on the 360 page but I'm not sure who's right.  I don't have unlimited access here at work so if anyone can help remedy these conflicting numbers that would be great.  Eris11 16:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Worldwide, PS3 is behind the Xbox360. But in Japan, it's ahead. I've reorganized that section so it makes more sense. -- -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 17:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Umm, both the outsold and the outseller?

message: PS3s sales are very low! i mean PS1 sold 110 million while PS2 has sold well over 120 million! PS3 has roughly sold 3,5 million in months! Wii is way ahead with about 8.5 million and xbox360 11.5 mil0lion! nitendo is the leading companie. I was lanched several (a LOT of) months after XBOX360 and it has sold almost at much (360:11.5 mil wii:8.5 mil.). Should i write anything! Other Opinions!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.32.16 (talk • contribs) 
--Mysterious Spy 15:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This information is already in the article, under "Sales and Pricing". -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 20:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Wii is most definitely at it's sale mark, the 360 is not. Microsoft counts shipped as "sold", so those numbers are inaccurate and guessing how many are sold is a long shot. The PS3 numbers might be false as well, but they have a firm distance between their shipped and sold numbers. Not that, that's a good thing. 74.14.107.120 05:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Low low sales! 

message: "Many games had also been reported to have problems with garbled or unreadable text on-screen and generally blurry image quality, but the January 24, 2007 software release, which updated the system to version 1.50, has fully resolved this issue."
I think it was resolved for me with 1.50, but I hadn't really noticed it prior. I've changed my setup now, and it's very obvious with some games with version 1.82 and 1.81. Is anyone who had experienced this graphical glitch with older versions experiencing it again?
SeanProctor 12:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying the problem's back on your PS3? I haven't played PS2 games for a while so I haven't noticed anything. Camann•TALK 15:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think the problem is back for me. 1.90 is the same. It seems to only appear during the actual game. Pre-rendered scenes look quite good. The "Square Enix" in the start up for Final Fantasy 7: Dirge of Cerberus looks quite bad. It's very apparent in some parts of Rogue Galaxy. It looks like the edges of some things have some kind of bad effect that I have trouble describing. SeanProctor 01:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backwards compatibility 

message: Yeah they said the PS3 will have 4D graphics, can anybody provide me with any proof so I cn add this in? Pie76 04:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is 4D graphics supposed to look like? lol!LN3000 05:07, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

text: 4D is merely a marketing term. If the fourth dimension is understood to be time, then graphics have been 4d for as long as they've been animated. Adding a fourth spacial dimension doesn't make for very useful pictures since we live in a universe of 3 spacial dimensions (the rubix cube shown above would have 4 spacial dimensions). It's really just best not to think too hard about it. Camann•TALK 15:54, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  So does the PS3 have 4D graphics yet? 

message: Wikipedia you need to add this to your sales table for the Japaniese PS3 market
The Japaniese PS3 sales have now hit 1,000,000 as of 19 July 2007
This brings the total sales, world wide of the PS3 close to 3.6 million
All of the above by - 82.26.192.3 07:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Needs a citation before it can be included. Camann•TALK 15:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 SALES in JAPAN 

message: Is this Correct?
http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/12156223/Sony_Playstation_3_60gb_Console_US_147_25.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.125.22.114 (talk • contribs).
: Interesting. I don't honestly know. It could be. RC Master 17:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The page doesn't exist. --Zeno McDohl (talk) 18:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 - Wholesale Price: US $147. 25 

message: Why is the Japanese relevant when the console's name is in English?  The japanese transliteration would be relevant if it was a Japanese name, but it's not! "Pureisutēshon Surī" - is it really necessary? 193.82.139.220 12:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job GCFreak2, but you completely missed the point of the topic: ITS _NAME_ is in English. The inclusion of the "Japanese name" is redundant and stupid: it's simply the English name being pronounced phonetically with the Japanese alphabet. There is no reason to include it in the article.
Well, since a majority of English-speaking people don't know how to read katakana, I think it's sort of a good idea to put the Japanese pronounciation in English there. Abby724 14:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think you get the point.  The name is in ENGLISH.  There is no reason - regardless of whether the company is Japanese - that it should be in Katakana script or a transliteration or a phonetic rendering specifically for Japanese.  The localised renditions of names are only relevant if the name is actually from that language!  194.193.212.133 12:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a Japanese company that makes a Japanese product, it has a Japanese name, or is it irrelevant to have Moskva on the capital of Russia's page, or perhaps we should rename this article For Elise?  It is encyclopedic to include the original name of a product/place/person or object of significance, otherwise, how many people would know where The Meadows are?             BradK 12:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The original name of the PlayStation 3 is not Japanese. That's part of the point. プレイステーション doesn't have any native meaning in Japan. This isn't unusual there. For example, トワイライトプリンセス doesn't mean anything in Japanese, either. It's the English words "Twilight Princess" in a Japanese script. The game did not have a true Japanese title. If you look at the Japanese packaging for both, the English names are the ones most prominently displayed. The most common use of katakana is for transcribing words from foreign languages. Dancter 01:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Er, Japanese? 

message: I've looked on the internet for a while and can't seem to find anything on this, but it seems to me like there's a huge overstock of PS3s not just due to supply/demand issues, but also because of consumers returning their PS3s en masse. At my local Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Circuit City, and Gamestop they have had an alarming number of PS3s come back after the release date, none of which are being sold. All of the friends I've spoken to have noticed the same thing. Any official data on this that can be included in the article? La Bicyclette 13:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice try, but there is a PS3 shortage at the mo, as the price drop has ignited sales.--Mgillespie 20:53, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A shortage? I'm aware of the sales spike, but have read nothing about a resultant shortage. Could you point to where you came across that information? Dancter 21:12, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Overstock of PS3s

message: I noticed that the 360 page has a sales chart that lists sales over time. The PS3 page could really use something like this as well. I copy-pasted the one from the 360 page to give an example.
Quarter          	Units Shipped
Q4 2005          	1.5 million units
Q1 2006          	1.7 million units
Q2 2006          	1.8 million units
Q3 2006          	0.9 million units
Q4 2006          	4.4 million units
Q1 2007          	0.5 million units
Q2 2007          	0.8 million units
Cumulative Totals	Cumulative Totals
to Q2 2007       	11.6 million units
A lot of specifics (notice how many 360's were sold due to Gears of War's release during Q4 2006) are revealed in a sales-over-time chart like this. It appears as though within the short period of time during which the price of the 60 GB dropped, the PS3's made more than 2 million in sales, and a chart to reflect that would be highly informative. The Wii page needs something like this too, but since their sales don't fluctuate in consistency as the other two consoles, so I wouldn't say it's as necessary, but it'd be nice. I'm not sure if the PS3 page had one before and it had been removed for some reason, so I'm posting the idea here to make sure everyone agrees with it. Yamamoto114 09:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The question is though, do we have the sources available to make a box like this? We can't just pluck numbers out of the air. RC Master 11:57, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that Sony cites recorded sales instead of production shipments starting with the most recent quarterly report (see the link I posted in the above discussion), it may be a little difficult to make a box like that moving forward. Dancter 15:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Bear in mind it's OR to say the Q4 was due to GoW. It surely was at least partially because it was the Christmas buying period and a year after the previous year's Christmas supply debacle (and some people might have also given up on the PS3) Nil Einne 14:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quarterly sales charts? 

message: Sony Computer Entertainment Hong Kong Limited is releasing PSN pre-paid cards in Tawian. http://asia.playstation.com/tch_tw/index.php?q=node/1472 - 60.231.107.26 10:53, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SCEH releases PSN pre-paid cards 

message: There is a table which has information regarding the sales of the PS3 based on geographic area, and total sales world wide.  The numbers for the individual territories don't correspond with the world wide numbers.
Japan 1 million
USA 1.5 million
PAL Territories 1.2 million
All of which have sources for July, adding them up gets roughly 3.7 million PS3s
However the worldwide numbers have a source from June which indicates 4.48 million PS3s.  Obviously this makes no sense.  How can there be almost 800,000 more PS3s sold in June, and then subsuquently have them disappear from the July numbers?  Either the worldwide numbers are wrong or the numbers based on geographic area is wrong.  216.141.239.249 01:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: South Korea, Canada, Mexico and other NTSC regions other then Japan and the USA? Nil Einne 13:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually it appears rather complicated. See #Sales table exclusiveness. Evidentally PAL territories doesn't actually include all PAL territories and Japan sometimes means all of Asia including PAL and NTSC. Unfortunately Sony sales figures are not particularly clear who they're referring to from what I can tell Nil Einne 13:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent Sales numbers 

message: It appears Sony is going to support a DVB-t tuner, for PAL territories anyway.  It will be interesting whether they will support it in NTSC-J particuarly the ones likes Singapore, Malaysia etc that are PAL. Nil Einne 14:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DVB-t

message: I have noticed some vandalism throughout the article and since I am indeed using a playstation 3, I am unable to remove it. 
It is fairly easy to spot
Felix 01:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: "As of current the backwards compatibility has been removed from the PS3 the following is a petition for the backwards capability. http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/PS3BC"
I don't think this is true, but I want to make sure, as I don't actually own a PS3 yet. It's wrong, right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.113.234.136 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it. The statement was wrong in quite a few ways. The rest of the information under the  "Removal of hardware support" section is probably okay, though. Dancter 20:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is fake, right?