Talk:Abdul Rauf Aliza

message: Replaced transcluded image with inline image -  tag as per dispute on Template talk:Combatant Status Review Tribunal trailer image and caption.  Geo Swan 04:01, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  disputed picture 

message: The DoD estimated the Guantanamo captive was born in 1981.
Meanwhile the United Nations listed Mullah Abdul Rauf as a senior Taliban official way back in 1999.  The youthful Guantanamo captive, who claimed he was a simple conscript, would have been just 18 at that time.  I don't think it is credible to believe these two individuals are the same person.
CNN quoted a Taliban official named Mullah Abdul Rauf in 2003 -- at large when Abdul Rauf Aliza was in custody.  Geo Swan (talk) 13:47, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: There are reasons to suspect there are multiple individuals known as Mullah Abdul Rauf

message: Let's summarize our research and/or discussion and/or opinions into a clearer format. I will list below the four articles that we currently have. All four have been identified in the press as the person killed on Feb. 9, 2015. Under each one, please specify if you think they are "same as" any of the other articles, so at least we can eliminate some of the contenders. Or list any biographical data that you think distinguish them. Don't list all your research; do that in the section above. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 18:55, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a comment about these pages above. The latter two should be redirected to this page or deleted; I don't think so many pages with different labels are necessary. The Taliban governor page needs to be rewritten to reflect a distinct individual or deleted. Morrowulf (talk) 20:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. The summary above reflects your input. It looks good to me, but I am waiting to hear from User:Geo Swan before taking any action. --MelanieN (talk) 17:33, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I will go ahead and redirect the SIS recruiter and Militant commander titles since we seem pretty sure they refer to the same person. And I will delete references in the Abdul Rauf Aliza article saying he was governor. Still waiting to see whether the governor article should be deleted, or if we can come up with enough verified biographical information to sustain a separate article about him. --MelanieN (talk) 00:25, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Sorting it out

message: Former captive Shawali Khan has said that photos published after the reported death of Mullah Abdul Rauf were actually images of him.  The NYTimes reported that the image was published by Afghan intelligence officials, who were actually distributing an image of a completely different former Guantanamo captive Shawali Khan, who was only released two months ago.  Shawali Khan was very concerned the identity confusion puts his life at risk.  The BBC also published the bogus image.  Geo Swan (talk) 04:30, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Further identity confusion

message: The repatriation section falsely asserts ALA was sent to Guantanamo in 2007.  Only half a dozen individuals were sent to Guantanamo in 2007 and 2008, all but one of them were captured by the CIA outside of Afghanistan.  ALA was held in Guantanamo from 2002 until 2007-12-20, and for a further three years in the American wing of the infamous Pul-e-Charkhi prison in nominal Afghan custody.  I fixed this.  Geo Swan (talk) 19:35, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors in the "repatriation" section

message: Yes, it is widely reported that Abdul Rauf Aliza was a Taliban leader known as Mullah Abdul Rauf.  It is not a credible assertion.  Listing the widely reported non-credible assertions:
# Abdul Rauf Aliza was already a senior Taliban leader when he was captured -- not credible due to Abdul Rauf Aliza's youth; not credible because the senior leader who was his namesake remained at large.
# Abdul Rauf Aliza was a close associate of Taliban leader Mohammed Omar -- not credible because Mohammed Omar has been a recluse for years, just like Osama bin Laden.  He was too young to be an associate of Mohammed Omar, prior to his capture.  Mohammed Omar hasn't been seen, for years, and some commentators speculate he is dead.  Just not credible.
It is possible that ARA is one of the minority of Afghans who did join or rejoin the Taliban, after release.  But, given that he was held until 2010, any leadership role he was rewarded with couldn't have taken place until 2010.
In this edit I removed the image of his older namesake; I removed "deceased" as his status in the infobox; I removed the military infobox that reported on his namesake's career;
In this edit I removed the unsubstantiated assertion that he was part of an elite force.  I left the coverage of Cathy Gannon's 2010 reporting, because it is verifiable.
:Having become a foot soldier for several known Taliban commanders, he eventually became a member of Taliban leader Mullah Omar’s elite mobile reserve force before the attacks on September 11, 2001.
In this edit I tried to tackle incorrect coverage that stated ARA was sent to Guantanmo twice.  Use of the wikileaked DAB has nothing to do with his repatriation.
In this edit I removed some particularly troubling material.  The reference supplied was to a 2001 article from the student newspaper of the University of Buffalo.  It spoke -- briefly -- about Maulvi Abdul Rauf: "On Sunday, a delegation of 10 men from the forces massed at Lagharay, Pakistan, six miles from the Afghan border in the Bajaur tribal area, traveled into neighboring Konar province to meet with Taliban Gov. Maulvi Abdul Rauf."  It did not back up the claims that he set himself up as a leader, in Helmand, in 2007.  In fact Rauf was still in custody until 2010.
The final two paragraphs I trimmed are reporting on the namesake.  Geo Swan (talk) 22:16, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewriting to trim all claims that Abdul Rauf Aliza was the Taliban leader known as Mullah Abdul Rauf who was killed on 2015-02-09

message: I removed the translation of his name in Arabic as there is no reason stated as to why this Afghan's name should be translated into Arabic for an article on him in English Wikipedia. MicroPaLeo (talk) 23:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name in Arabic 

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