Talk:Félix Houphouët-Boigny

message: This article is essentially all praise, which is particularly surprising since it quotes Meredith's book, which I just finished reading, and which is not exactly soft on Houphouët-Boigny.
Worth mentioning is the criticism directed at Houphouët-Boigny for the amount of money spent on the Basilica of Our Lady of Peace of Yamoussoukro which might have been spent on development. --Saforrest 19:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A bit too hagiographic 

message: While not a specialist I'm a bit familiar with English vs. French writing of African names. The t is not "dumb" in French (not sure about the right word). I suggest Ufwet-Bwanyi that seems right to me. Ericd 19:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ufwe-Bwanyi 

message: I'll be back later tonight to continue proofreading. I don't want to edit conflict with anyone right now. I notice that two others are editing now as well. Enigma message 00:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Continue. We don't care. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 00:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha. OK, I'll keep going. I am now absolved of blame if someone edit conflicts! Enigma message 00:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Done for now 

message: I'm making a list. These are sentences I wasn't sure how to fix.
* As the Cold War set in, the alliance with the Communists became increasingly damaging for the RDA, especially from 1947, when the PCF went into opposition.
**Changed to "As the Cold War set in, the alliance with the Communists became increasingly damaging for the RDA, especially when the PCF began opposing them in 1947." --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 10:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentences that could use a rewrite 

message: Please list the sections you are copyediting and note when they are completed. Thanks! Awadewit (talk) 14:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm almost done with the article. I've been doing it section by section for the past week. I don't suppose it would make sense to list all the ones I've done thus far. By Wednesday night American Eastern Daylight Time, I should be done with everything. There's still a lot of copyediting to do, however. It's possible I missed a few things, and a number of sentences could be made clearer. Enigma message 06:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, still not finished. This article is a much bigger job than I originally thought, and it looks like it may be ongoing. Even after I hopefully finish every section, there will be more cleanup to do. A lot of this article could use a rewrite. Enigma message 07:10, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I've done the lead and the first level-two header so far. Enigma and the others (if anyone else has copyedited the article yet) have done a good job - I only found a few things to tweak. Nousernamesleft (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone up through the "Death and legacy" section. Unfortunately, I think the entire article needs to be restructured, which will necessitate more rounds of copyediting. The sections after "Death" really need to be included earlier in the article. Awadewit (talk) 16:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll start restructuring the article soon. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 16:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA-Team copyediting 

message: Has anyone gone through all of the sources used for this article and checked to make sure that they are reliable according to the standards on en.wikipedia? Awadewit (talk) 16:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I made an inline note to myself as to where I left off in my source checking/reference formatting. I'll get back to that now. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 17:14, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, so as you are formatting the notes, you are checking the references? Excellent. Awadewit (talk) 17:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source check 

message: It looks like someone is doing a thorough image check - is that correct? Awadewit (talk) 17:10, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Unfortunately, we've lost half of our images now. I'll go digging for more free ones. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 17:18, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, good to know that sooner rather than later! Awadewit (talk) 17:19, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why did we lose the initial one? --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 18:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Felix Houphouet Boigny.jpg. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 18:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image check 

message: Here is a rough outline of an FAC checklist. Please improve it!
#GAC
#Copyedit
#Peer review
#Copyedit
#Image check
#Fact check
#MOS check
#Proofread
#Check all citations (formatting, lost citations, etc.)
#Check all links
Nominate for FAC! Awadewit (talk) 17:15, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Any update on this? Skomorokh 21:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAC checklist 

message: I've been asked to do some copy editing of this article, and will leave notes here, as a running commentary. 
*I've gone back to the website reference sources to try and better understand the familial relationships. At one point FHB's father is said to have died when he was a small child, and at another point in 1939.  As I have to carry out another task for a brief time I have saved without having made all the updates.  Risker (talk) 22:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed to: "The president's health was becoming increasingly fragile,[135] with Prime Minister Alassane Ouattara generally administrating the country since 1990, while the president was hospitalized in France.[6] Due to this, ambitions were stirred in regard to his successor. This struggle ended when Ouattara was rejected by Houphouët-Boigny in favour of Henri Konan Bédié, the President of the National Assembly." --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 20:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy edit notes 

message: I'm hoping that not much more copyediting is needed on this article, but as I go, I will list questions that I have. Awadewit (talk) 14:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final copyedit (?) 

message: All of the images check out fine, except for this one:
*:Image:Ourladyofpeaceafricaexterior.jpg - This doesn't have an author, so we can't use it (it is not clear who owns the copyright and who can release it). Awadewit (talk) 14:25, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Actually I just looked into this and there cannot be a picture of this building in this article - the building is copyrighted and there is no freedom of panorama in Cote d'Ivoire for buildings. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I learn something new every day. Awadewit (talk) 16:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image check 

message: *Four Ivory Coast's Founder, Lavish Funeral - checked
*An African's Gift to the Vatican - checked
*FHB, Ivory Coast's Leader Since Freedom in 1960, is Dead - checked
*Mother of Nation Dies - source lacks birth and death dates - are these elsewhere?
*Ivory Coast: Brazzaville Conference - checked; this citation is not correctly cited in the note, however - this is a chapter in a book and the chapter has a separate author from the book
**Not sure how to format this. ~one of many editorofthewikis (talk/contribs/editor review)~ 20:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Online English sources - all online English sources have been checked

message: *National Assembly - Félix HOUPHOUËT-BOIGNY - I'll address this piece by piece as I go through each of the 28 times it's cited.
**<a: I assume that this source is the "official biography" referred to. In that case, it should be noted that it says "probably" (probablement), and that he was born to chefs baoulés, roughly translating to "chiefs of the baoulé people". I believe referring to him as a member of the "Baoulé family" is incorrect; the baoulé are a people, not a family. Nousernamesleft (talk) 20:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Online French sources

message: ;Questions
*Houphouët-Boigny Part 1 is a radio programme, but the recording does't seem to be online.  Has this been checked?  Lots is cited to it.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 00:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Please please please don't do this! I never know why this makes articles so hard to read, and removing them makes it less clear to readers that each sentence has a citation that corresponds to it. Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'm afraid that - no matter how many more "please"s you add to your request - I'm going to have to disagree. The mass of blue is an eyesore which greatly hampers reading. About the readers; firstly, I doubt that even 1% of readers who look up an article (for a purpose other than vandalism) pay any attention to inline citations. Secondly, it doesn't make it any more obvious, and indeed, will make Wikipedia look foolish - you will never, ever find a published piece of academic work with that ridiculous amount of citation. Nousernamesleft (talk) 19:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree with Nousernamesleft: we probably don't need a citation every sentence if it is cited to the same work. As for the citation needed, I removed the unverified material--it isn't really important who FHB served under rather that he served at all. ~one of many editorofthewikis (talk/contribs/editor review)~ 20:43, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Printed French sources

message: I've just removed a paragraph, as it involved mainly bad or at least poor sources (except Mundt), and anyway Wodie has always been marginal in Ivorian politics. Also Quid, which is used twice, must be really removed, as it has quite a low standard.--Aldux (talk) 16:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noted a missing gap in Houphouet's early history: it's not clearly stated he was elected in 1946 to the First Constituant Assembly; in the same year, due to the failure of the first after the referendum on the proposed constitution, he was elected in the Second Constituent Assembly always in 1946; due to the success of the latter (the constitutional referendum passed), he then presented himself and won the 1947 elections for the first National Assembly of the Fourth Republic.--Aldux (talk) 17:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Will work on that. Yeah, the Wodie thing probably wasn't a huge part of his career. ~one of many editorofthewikis (talk/contribs/editor review)~ 19:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there. I'don't want to be too fastidious, especially since I haven't done much for this article, but I'm afraid Concordat Watch may not pass RS criteria. I do have a source that may replace it, Brockman's An African Biographical Dictionary; while an encyclopedia, it's a specialized one in scope and provides references. To quote it states at page 147 that the basilica was built in European style and imported materials, it cost "about about US$200 million, which H.-B. insisted came from his own resources [....] The pope requested that it be a few feet shorter than St. Peter, but he reluctantly consecrated it in 1989." I think it could be better than Concordat Watch, but mine is just an opinion.--Aldux (talk) 20:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't worry about being fastidious - we're trying to prepare this article to be a featured article. I don't think that site would pass RS either. Your source sounds far better - let's use it. Awadewit (talk) 20:28, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

text: *All of the English sources have been checked. Awadewit (talk) 21:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Good. I'll keep a tally of which sources I've checked for overcitation here for my own reference: Up to #13 right now. Nousernamesleft (talk) 00:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'll be looking for overcitation and hopefully (if I'm not blocked again :)) will remove it. ~one of many editorofthewikis (talk/contribs/editor review)~ 00:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'm now up to 110. Nousernamesleft (talk) 03:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Done with OC cleanup; I'll get back to checking online French sources. Nousernamesleft (talk) 03:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: About Sources

message: Félix Boigny, as we can read in this article and elsewhere, has all the characteristics of a typical dictator who suppressed democracy and ruled his country as a one-party state until his death.--201.83.35.29 (talk) 11:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the D-word is avoided? 

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message: This is about as hagiographic an article as I've ever seen on Wikipedia...would love if someone with knowledge and interest would inject some balance and questions into the narrative. How did he acquire his billions that are described and hinted at being controversial? Where is that money now? What were the ramifications of his single-party rule for decades without setting up succession? Should he be assigned blame for some of the subsequent instability? Etc, etc. None of this is present. The answer to all of it could be that he really was an inspiration and world-changer, but there is no attempt at addressing them now. 24.218.13.137 (talk) 13:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hagiography