Talk:High-IQ society

message: Would it be possible for a skilled editor to add the Epimetheus Society to the list/table of societies? The Epimetheus Society was founded in 2006 by Dr. Robert Hoeflin, PhD, and has no dues.
Here is a link to the homepage:
http://epimetheussociety.com/
The society is for +4SD, ~99.997th and above percentile score, ~164 and above IQ
Entry requirement is any of:
1. Stanford-Binet: older versions 190 IQ; recent: 160 IQ.
2. Terman Concept Mastery Test (form T): 183 raw score.
3. Army General Classification Test: 180 IQ.
4. California Test of Mental Maturity: 164 IQ.
5. Miller Analogies Test: old version: 98 out of 100.
Recent versions with new scaling: insufficient information.
6. Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale: 160 IQ.
7. Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children: 160 IQ.
8. Scholastic Aptitude Test: To mid-1995: 1550 (V & Q); after mid-1995: insufficient ceiling,
9. Graduate Record Examination: 1600 (V & Q).
10. Cattell Verbal: insufficient ceiling. Cattell Culture Fair: 164 IQ (sufficient ceiling is in doubt)
11. ACT (American College Testing program): 35 out of 36
12. Titan Test: 36 raw score out of 48 (not taken after 2/27/2011)
Thank you for your consideration 107.122.225.102 (talk) 19:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the answer is "no". CAVincent (talk) 20:25, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

text: Prove its notability by telling us how many members they have. From what I'm seeing on the website, it looks like 25. It probably needs 100 times that many to be notable. DOSGuy (talk) 03:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That is an understandable position; however I will point out that both the Prometheus and Mega Society have membership numbers in the double digits and are featured on the page. By the standard that membership numbers need to be at least in the thousands they should be removed. The page would no longer list any +4SD societies but given the extreme exclusivity of Prometheus/Mega/Epimetheus they will always have very low membership. 2600:8804:6F0D:4A00:7D4E:6E30:6D6B:2424 (talk) 16:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No, those two societies are not included because of their membership numbers. Rather, they are included because they are presumed notable based on coverage about them in independent reliable sources, which appears to be the consensus standard per this discussion. --Kinu t/c 16:35, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Epimetheus Society 

message: I can't imagine someone making the claim that ISPE is not a notable high IQ society, as it was the first 99.9th percentile high IQ society, and was in many ways the progenitor to TNS. However, due to previous discussion here, I thought I would preempt any efforts of removing ISPE from this list. ISPE is part of the history of the foundation of the High IQ community and simply because it does not publish membership information (an arbitrarily and inappropriately applied qualifier of notability) does not mean it should be excluded from this article. 45,000 people see ISPE every month in the US Mensa Bulletin, I think it's safe to say it's a fully operational and well known society. PJimmy2000 (talk) 04:08, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The consensus per previous discussion (see the talk archives, including this discussion) is to include only those societies with existing Wikipedia articles. If the society is notable per Wikipedia guidelines (e.g., based on reliable sources that are independent of the subject), then feel free to create an article about it and then include it in the list. I've reverted the addition per WP:BRD in the meantime. --Kinu t/c 04:14, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I read the archives, there was not consensus on this decision; it's simply the most recent in a long line of decisions. I am challenging this decision now, as many did before. I have provided an argument for why ISPE should be considered a notable high IQ society, as it is by any account of someone familiar with the subject. For it not to be included in this list of notable high IQ societies, one would think that the person deleting it would have to provide evidence for why it is not notable. PJimmy2000 (talk) 04:29, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition to the notability issue, there are also verifiability issues. Limiting this article to societies that actually have wikipedia articles still strikes me as a reasonable way to address those concerns. I think Kinu is correct that there is long-standing consensus on this. As for the suggestion that "the person deleting it would have to provide evidence for why it is not notable", this is backwards - the burden is on those who want to add to the list to prove notability. Proving non-notability is an absurd proposition. CAVincent (talk) 09:14, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Including ISPE in the Table 

message: Why is International High IQ society not listed??
https://www.ihiqs.org/ 2607:FEA8:7C0:2470:BD69:BB9E:6675:6F0B (talk) 04:08, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: See two discussions immediately above this, as well as archived discussions going back many years, for the answer. CAVincent (talk) 03:01, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  add International High IQ Society