Talk:Eurogame

message: I'm curious why BoardGameGeek was removed from the see also (especially given that BrettSpielWelt was not). Rdore 04:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I added a link to BGG under the external links section. I can't imagine why it shouldn't be there. Bgplayer 23:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Probably because BGG had already been linked to in the article, but BSW hadn't. --McGeddon 23:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: My feeling is that since it has an external link on its own page, it shouldn't appear in the external links on this page. However, if there's a page on the BGG wiki specifically about designer games, rather than the wole of BGG's rather broad remit, then that page would be a suitable target for an external link. Percy Snoodle 19:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't know if it was in the "See also" section before or not but I'm fine with it being there and not in "External links". It probably makes more sense even since it has its own page. Bgplayer 22:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

text: No, it's not got anything to do with bgg politics.  Percy Snoodle 19:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removable of BGG

message: This article seems very inconsistent about whether and when the name of a game gets italicised.  Are there rules about this that I'm not aware of?
:According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (text formatting), italics are used for the titles of books, films, video games, computer games, musical albums, and works of art. Board games are not specifically mentioned, but I would argue that we should use the same rule that applies to computer and video games, and italicize all of them for the sake of consistency. The exception might be noncommercial games like chess and go, which are generally not italicized, or capitalized for that matter. --Jcbutler 17:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italics 

message: I believe this article is inaccurate in describing Eurogaming as an influence on Garfield's Magic TCG.  The only time Garfield has mentioned a board game influencing his card game is in the instance of Cosmic Encounter, which could hardly be considered a German-style game.ELPsteel 07:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I say go ahead and delete it. That's been in the article for ever, never sourced, I'm not sure where it came from. Rdore 19:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence on MTG is inaccurate 

message: I just made a couple changes to the redirect link ... which was in fact totally correct to begin with. I hope I've put it all back to normal again. I'm clearly too sleep deprived to be editing Wikipedia right now. Sorry for the momentary mishap. 132.162.208.51 (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apologies 

message: I seem to "avoid" those short games somehow. Could someone point me to a few examples that typically are finished in 30 minutes? --Echosmoke (talk) 02:26, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dominion, Coloretto, For Sale, TransAmerica/TransEuropa/Vexation... Those are just a few that come immediately to mind. BoardGameGeek would be a better place to ask this question. Laguna CA (talk) 08:09, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  30 minutes 

message: http://www.meoplesmagazine.com/ its probably a good source for german board game reviews - its in english but the guys are germans. not the largest database yet, but an active site about very new and sometimes very old and almost forgotten gems.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.90.253.189 (talk) 21:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meoplesmagazine 

message: Quoting article: "As far as generalities can be made about such a large and diverse group of games, German-style games are usually multiplayer and ....."
"Usually multi-player" suggests to me that some are single-player games, i.e., solitaire games.  Are some of them designed as single-player games or is it merely that they can be adapted to be played by one person?.  Thanks.  Wanderer57 (talk) 14:21, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an ambiguous term.  In the world of video games, multiplayer means 2 or more players.  In the world of board games, however, multiplayer means 3 or more.    Randall Bart    Talk   20:09, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Confirming Randall Bart's observation; in Euro-player slang multiplayer does mean 3 or more. Eric S. Raymond (talk) 14:51, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  usually multi-player? 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Strong oppose "Eurogame" should redirect to the disambiguation page Eurogames or directly to EuroGames -- 65.94.78.9 (talk) 05:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Personally I am not entirely convinced that Sid Sackson is a good example of German-style boardgames designer. Games like Can't stop or Bazaar, don't have the same intense themes like other eurogames. At the same time, I have to admit that probably he was one of the first American designers to design more German-style games :-) Because it is confusing to put him in what should be a clear list of examples, I would propose to delete him from the list. What do you think about this? 
Facharbeit (talk) 12:12, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Found it.  The evidence is totted up in Stewart Wood's book "Eurogames".  I'm going to edit the entry now. Eric S. Raymond (talk) 15:02, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Sid Sackson as example of a German-style designer?

message: Here are Google Books count for certain possible names:
* "x-style game" or just "x game" is too generic to compare easily in this context
* "German-style board game" 154
* "European-style board game" 5
* "European board game" 100
* "German board game" 280
* "eurogame" 850, and when controlled for board (board+eurogame), still 830
The one book that seems to be the dedicated treatment of this type of games is >. Given the above, I think it is worth revisiting the prior naming discussion and move this to Eurogame. I do acknowledge the existence of other topics at Eurogames disambig, but the publisher is a tiny company, and the sporting events generates fewer hits on Google books: "lgbt eurogame" (280). Sports gives a 1000, but well, this is why we have disambigs. Anyway, as the singuler eurogame term redirects here anyway, I think we should make it the main for this topic. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:24, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name, revisited 

message: I think the article's claim that Eurogames are less complex than "classic strategy games" has become dated and questionable. This was true a decade ago, but one consequence of the growth of the hobby is to stimulate demand for designs which would have been too crunchy to sell well in the early 2000s.  I added a 'graph to the article noting this in connection with Terra Mystica and Tzolkin.  As a player of classic strategy games and wargames myself, I think the high end of the hobby has reached near parity with those; however, I have not made the assertion myself and think it needs discussion before it's done. Eric S. Raymond (talk) 20:08, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You may be right. I have  on my shelf, but may take me a while to get to it, read it, and update the article based on it. Should be a good source for making this a GA; would be great if someone else would pick up a copy and work with me to bring this article to a higher quality :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:41, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison to Chess and Go may be dated 

message: Since I'm German, I did not know, that this type of games is considered "German" or "Euro". In Germany it's just called a "family game". This expression contains nearly the whole explanation of the topic. A game that is suitable for a family should guarantee one hour of family harmony. It should be interesting for kids & adults: not too complicated, not consume too much time. Communication should be encouraged, a young child should be able to win against an adult. It should be played "together" and not against each other. It should be fun for the whole family, including the one who looses the game. In Germany often one player helps other players, especially the kids. For a parent it is sometimes more fun to see the child win. Sometimes a child still has to learn, that even loosing a game can be fun. Then the mother will play in a way that she wins herself, and cheer the loosing child, to make it a "good looser" in future. When the kids are older it is more fun if everybody tries to win. It's no fun at all to win by cheating, because you and the others will feel it. Nobody likes to play with a cheat. A nice winner is happy and does not try very hard to win the next game. In a family you usually prefer harmony to competition, thus "family game" is a very precise term. Scotland Yard, Siedler of Catan, Adel verpflichted or Carcassonne are good examples for such games. Is the expression "familiy game" used for this type of games in English speaking countries? Regards Minoo (talk) 00:24, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm way late responding to this, but I'll note that 'family game' has a different meaning in the United States - it would usually mean a lighter, mass market game like Monopoly rather than a true strategy game, although this definition is pretty loose. Nwlaw63 (talk) 02:47, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Games 

message: I've added an events sub-section and put in a brief mention of Essen Spiel. Help in fleshing this out would of course be welcome. Nwlaw63 (talk) 19:19, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Events Sub-section 

message: I have supplemented the history section with a brief mention of how non-confrontational games took off in Germany at a time when conflict was not celebrated - this bit of history seems essential to understanding both the history of eurogames and how they came to occupy a distinctly different niche from conflict style games. I've sourced this to the Stuart Woods book on eurogames, which as the largest and richest source on eurogames as a whole, should be used more in this article and articles on other eurogames. Nwlaw63 (talk) 19:34, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tweaking History Section 

message: While there's a lot of good information in the article, it's a bit of a mess. There's a number of areas I hope to address in the coming months, and I invite others to jump in as well. Here are just a few of the issues:
1) Sourcing. There's a ton of unsourced opinion in the article. Reliable sourcing needs to be found, or stuff needs to be cut. Woods' Eurogames is a great book, but we can't use it to source everything. And some of the existing sources are either not reliable or aren't formatted properly.
2) Awards. The section's out of date - the Kennerspiel/Kinderspiel aren't mentioned. 
3) Arbitrary information. Random facts/trivia are given all over the place. They need to either be put into context, filled out, or removed. (Example: randomly mentioning several eurogames which have iPhone apps). Nwlaw63 (talk) 20:31, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm finally going to move forward and take action here, as it appears I am one of the only interested editors. I will removing a lot of unsourced trivia going forward here. If anyone objects to a particular cut, I ask that they come back with reliable sourcing for any material they wish to keep. Nwlaw63 (talk) 18:53, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning the Article Up 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I'm not sure this section belongs in the article - the accuracy of what's being claimed here is dubious (some eurogames have lots of theme, some don't), and most importantly, the contention doesn't appear to be supported by reliable sources I can find. If anyone has such sources, please note them here or add them to the article - otherwise, I'll be looking at cutting this section. Nwlaw63 (talk) 15:32, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Low Emphasis on Theme Section 

message: All of this appears completely unsourced. If I can't find reliable sources and no one produces any soon, I'll be deleting this section shortly. Nwlaw63 (talk) 17:52, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Audience Section 

message: Which war is it talking about when it says "postwar" at the top of history? I'd assume WW2, but I'm not certain.
 Adeeta (talk) 00:55, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, definitely post WWII, especcially before and during the war military themes were prevalent at least in Germany. But as in general, childrens games were not considered a serious factor of industry, maybe conidered a side theme in propaganda at best. Only with the social and cultural developments during the 50ies and 60ies, games became a serious industry and steered clear of military or political themes at least in Germany. Pentaclebreaker (talk) 08:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: As the meeples are mentioned as icons of Euro-Games in the "Did you know . .  . " category of today, shouldn't it be mentioned that Euro games have a tendency for more abstract gaming pieces (often made of wood) than other games? ciao Pentaclebreaker (talk) 07:50, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Euro games material?