Talk:Real tennis

message: Found the following in an article in the Jewish Quarterly review: 
"It has been demonstrated that tennis owes its origins to ancient Egyptian spring-time rites, in which the ball was a symbol of fertility."
If you have access to Jstor you can see the source here. http://www.jstor.org/stable/1452376
I'm not particularly informed about the subject, but if this is the case it seems pretty interesting and should probably go in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.157.239.6 (talk) 22:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Egyptian Origins?

message: I am confused. In its article, jeu de paume is played by handpalm. But Real tennis is the original racquet game. They can't be the same! -- Error 01:14, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: PJTraill 18:15, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Jeu de paume

message: Is real tennis a retronym? In other words, was it originally referred to as "tennis", and received the adjective only after variations on the sport came into being? I ask because the article on the French Revolution's Tennis Court Oath mentions a "real tennis court", which sounds anachronistic. — Jeff Q 20:33, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC
What?
Yes, it used to be called "tennis". It is exactly the same game mentioned in Shakespeare's plays. Then around 1900, when lawn tennis became popular, people started calling that game "tennis". To distinguish it from the upstart, players of the original game called their game "real tennis". Also, some people mistakenly think that the "real" comes from the Spanish word for royal (as in the football club Real Madrid). DeCaux 23:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: but "real" still means "royal" in English (admittedly archaic English).  Where is the proof that it is a retronym? Thruston 15:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text: The term "lawn tennis" was still fairly common when the US group sanctioning it first started; by the mid-1970s it wasn't and hence the United States Lawn Tennis Association became merely the United States Tennis Association.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1004:B164:9DB7:BC03:736A:4B42:8D96 (talk) 02:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Real tennis" a retronym? 

message: Phrases such as "a real tennis court" kept bringing me up short, since I'm not used to reading about real tennis.  I suggest that this article follow the rule that when a noun phrase is used as an adjective, it gets hyphenated.  Thus "a real-tennis court" (but "real tennis is...").  This would distinguish between "a real-tennis court" (as opposed to a lawn-tennis court) and "a real tennis court" (as opposed to a fake tennis court).  I'm not bold enough to make this change, though, because <exaggeration> every time I do that in any specialized field </exaggeration>, someone says, "That looks really weird.  No one ever writes it that way."  —JerryFriedman 23:03, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: PJTraill 18:12, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyphenation 

message: Archaeologists have discovered a tennis court off Fenchruch Street, dated to 1461. Worth a mention?
Real Tennis website - Ogg 12:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fenchurch Street 

message: I note there's an image of Fawkland Palace but no text to go along with it... Someone might want to use the text at http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitch and add something to the article?
:Caitch is a gemme whaur raquettes an wechty baws is uised, it is played inby agin waws an sklentin ruifs. Caitch is kent as "real tennis" in Ingland. The warld's auldest caitchpule is at Fawkland in Fife, an wis biggit in 1539 bi James V in the Pailace gairden.HistorieThe gemme stertit wi Alexander III (1249-86) an wis like as no feshed frae Fraunce. Lang-syne there wis caitchpules in St Andrews, Perth, Edinburrie an Stirling.James VI scrieved in 1598 Basilicon Doron for his auld son, Prince Henry (eild 4): "...the exercises that I uolde haue you to use (althoch but moderatlie not making a crafte of thaime) are rinning, leaping, urestling, fensing, dansing & playing at the cache."The gemme kythes in “The Private Memoirs and Confessions of a Justified Sinner” bi James Hogg in 1824.The dayThe gemme is played yet at Fawkland Pailace bi fowk frae a wee club.
Thanks/wangi 22:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added an interwiki link to the Scots version. — Eoghanacht talk 15:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caitch 

message: The court at Falkland Palace is said to be a different design, but it's never made clear.  Could someone add details, here, please? Mdotley 18:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeu quarre ? 

message: There are merge tags on this article and jeu de paume but no one added a discussion. 99.230.152.143 (talk) 23:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion is at Talk:Jeu de paume#Real tennis PJTraill (talk) 23:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm going to have the tags (removed), which are very old now. A merger would lead to a great deal more confusion. Luwilt (talk) 18:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree that the articles should be merged. As far as I can make out, the argument being made against a merger is that "real tennis" is always played with a racket whereas "jeu de paume" was formerly played with the hand.  If there were still people today play the palm-of-the-hand "paume", then it should have a separate article. But there isnt anybody doing that: the only people who call the game they play "paume" use a racket to play it. The current non-racket games (fives, jai alai, court handball, etc) already have their articles. So the "jeu de paume" article is doing part of the job of the "history" section of the "real tennis" article. Really, there is only one article, to be called "Real tennis"; the History section of that article will mention that the game was originally played with the palm; hence the name "paume", which survived in France even after it was no longer played with the palm.  There is also some co-ordination to be done with the History of tennis article; that will be easier to do after these two are merged. jnestorius(talk) 23:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: The term "tennis" is thought to derive from the French word tenez, which means "take heed" — a warning from the server to the receiver.
That might have been the case in older "versions" of the French language. But in nowadays French an accurate translation of tenez - 2nd plural imperative of tenir, to hold - would be "here, take this".
... when you think about it, it still fits. However I don't know where the s sound comes from, as the z is unpronounced. This could be explained by the fact that the modern French word tennis is based on the word as used in English, a language well known for corruption of pronunciation.
In any case, the link seems a little dubious. --Darrenjaguar (talk) 16:00, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tennis <= "Tenez" 

message: I've seen "real tennis" in print, but have never heard it spoken aloud. I would rather not assume that it is pronounced as in English unless so stated by a reliable source, since "real" obviously has its roots in French or even possibly Spanish. The article needs information on pronunciation near the beginning, as with other articles needing such clarification. David Spector (talk) 16:52, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation? 

message: Author and date are needed for the story "Dead Nick" mentioned in the literature section. Hieronymus Illinensis (talk) 22:03, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dead Nick"