Talk:Brent Spiner/Archive 1

message: I'd like to propose a moratorium on editing this article for a few days, to let everyone cool down. Edit warring among fans is getting a bit out of control. I will put it on my watchlist and keep an eye out for vandalism. Everyone take a breather, please. Fire Star 02:16, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to worry, Tiswaz. This is Wikipedia, not a discussion board. I am an administrator here, and can close the page to further editing if the reversion wars get out of hand. I've done a bit of research and it looks as if Spiner is indeed married with a son, so it stays in, unless someone can prove otherwise. Fire Star 02:53, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

text: You've edited out your threat to continue your editing no matter what: "and the truth will continue to be edited." As a result of that statement (it is in this page's history) I've protected the page from editing. I read that Spiner was married on four separate internet bios. You will have to provide a link to the evidence that you have so we can read it ourselves rather than simply take your word for it. Fire Star 03:10, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

text: If my information is inaccurate, you'll have to prove it by providing a reliable source saying that Spiner is single. I don't care one way or the other, actors are actors. The websites I read seemed to be different accounts, and each had slightly different info. I really don't know much about Spiner, but I know less about Dawn and Donna. Please provide verifiable information, otherwise this issue will go further into Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Fire Star 04:23, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

text: RickK is a long time editor and admin here at Wikipedia. Please sign your posts. Fire Star 20:18, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

text: I don't know about his IP, but I've been with Wikipedia for a long time, and he was here before me. He isn't being aggressive, he is enforcing policy, which most folks here seem unaware of (not signing their posts, for one thing). We have different rules than you folks are used to. By not following our established policies people can lose the ability to edit here at all. Fire Star 20:59, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

text: That is fine. Rick is one of our premier vandal-stoppers, so he was just reinforcing our policy. You should know that we are only interested in an accurate, verifiable article, most of us don't give a fig about Spiner's personal life outside of wishing him (and everyone else) well. Fire Star 16:51, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit wars. 

message: Also, to the Administrator, maybe you ought to delete this entire topic incl. the main page. After all, there are too many discrepancies which shows very little respect for the actor.
DonnaJoan
:No, Spiner is a well known actor, and as such, deserves an article here. That the obsessive fans can't deal with his being married is a tangentially related problem. There are ways to deal with such things. Fire Star 20:18, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Dallas Star-Telegram article is good enough for me, and proof enough generally for Wikipedia. Since I don't intend to hunt down Spiner, I'll have to rely on the press. Now, if you can come up with convincing evidence otherwise, well-documented evidence in the public domain, I'll happily change the article myself, because I don't care if he is married or not. I just care that the article is accurate. So far, the pro-married people have the weight of evidence on their side. Fire Star 20:53, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A whisper in your ear... 

message: No, Spiner is a well known actor, and as such, deserves an article here. That the obsessive fans can't deal with his being married is a tangentially related problem. There are ways to deal with such things. Fire Star 20:18, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Nonsense 'encyclopaedia' board"?  Careful, you'll make us cry. However, there is perhaps an element of truth in what you say. While whether or not he's married might be considered of encyclopaedic relevance  in a biographical article, including the name of his son (whose very existence appears to be heatedly disputed amongst his fans...) does seem to have stepped over the line into non-encyclopaedic celebrity gossip.  –Hajor 22:09, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Respect? 

message: Forgive my out of term speaking but:
The guys who run this board did not know what Brent Spiner looked like sans the Data Make up which means know they have no knowledge whatsoever about the person who plays this cute character.  So who the hell do they think they are to argue with people who knows what they are talking about, these guys certainly do not.
They get their so called information from a media source and fan input bases.  Come then  you guys if this information is solid where are the photographs to prove.  If there was a wedding, there will be photographs (you bet your $ the papz and media will be there)  well..... where are they?  Stuck for answers?  Patrick Stewart had some taken, so did Jonathan Frakes, LeVar Burton and they were all private weddings, so where's Brents'?  
Brent Spiner has done many conventions over the years and have always remained vigilant in saying 'My girlfriend and I' even recently.  He has said he is not married recently and so I guess either he got wed while stone drunk or unconcious and still do not know about it or he just does not want the public to know.  Taking the word of media and obsessive fan inputting is a bit premature not to mention immature and I think you need to go back and learn a bit more on the actor before making further comments against the word of his friends and I will stress PERSONAL friends since that photo is clear to be as genuine as the day itself and what written evidence can they provide if the evidence they have is verbal.  I think you should check it out with Mr Spiner himself because I think you all will find that what you have done is sheer embarassment to the poor guy.  Thankfully there aren't that many of you out there.
The admin staff can only provide the board with nonsense websites as their proof of credibility, come on you guys you can do better than that.  'MrsGodwyn' gave 3 of these sites this information and this is someone who is nothing but abusive fruitcake who thinks and claims the internet and Brent fandom as her own.  This is the person who has been known many times to harass Mr Spiner and his friends with claims of outrageous lies even writing retarded material then naming Brent as the writer.  If you think your solid source is that of the person 'MrsGodwyn' then you all should get a reality check because you have just been laughed off the board.
Staff:  Verify a solidable informative source to back up your claims not repeatedly provide us with the websites you've got, get the pictures and maybe just maybe your board can get back to normal.
Ginger
:What do you mean, "get back to normal"?  Are you planning on doing something disruptive?  RickK 07:23, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
No RickK I am sure this is not what she/he means I am assuming she/he is simply saying that the board can get to how it should be as threatening behaviour does not show in this sentence.  If you get my drift.
Maybe you need to listen and take heed to this advice.
Storm
:I've listened. What I understand is that some people apparently haven't realised that this isn't a Brent Spiner discussion board, it is an encyclopaedia (if you click on the blue word it will take you to a page that will try to tell you what an encyclopaedia is). As far as most of us are concerned, Spiner is just another of thousands of actors, albeit a relatively well-known one. Wikipedia has fairly strict evidentiary rules, and there has still been nothing but dismissive hearsay assertions from those who insist he isn't married. Where is the proof? Fire Star 15:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Dallas Star Telegram story is one source. It is one more source than your camp has provided. We have compromised and reported on the controversy in the article. You should actually be complaining to the Dallas Star Telegram. In the meantime, if you could come up with a verifiable source saying he isn't married and explaining the Dallas Star Telegram article away, then I'd be happy to change the article again. Fire Star 16:40, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think you guys need to grow up and do a bit better than you already have. 

message: For the record you guys go across to this link
http://www.empireonline.co.uk/site/gallery/viewgallery.asp?GID=241
and click on the Brent Spiner/Loree McBride thumbnail. It clearly states "Spiner and girlfriend", therefore my point is whatever the circumstances never take media 100% for accurate information. Good enough for you? Let's hope it is. :) Tiswaz'''
And I've reverted your changes, since, as I said above, you may not remove other people's comments.  RickK 07:47, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
Yep.  Do whatever you want its your board after all and not very interesting, I was only trying to make things easier for you all Tiswaz
:Removing personal attack.  RickK 08:24, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
Chill Rick!  Removing personal attack from BStallion. Fire Star 13:26, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founded information