Talk:Zalavas

message: While having a laugh reading the arguments on the merits of the Pilsudski article, I found the related article on Zalavas to be very interesting and very revealing about one part of the problem. Although a small group finds the Pilsudski article to border on "sublime perfection," they are part of the same group that would undoubtably find the Zalavas article to be worthy of a few barn stars, and the exchanging of high fives amongst themselves, as well as having the satisfaction of adding another "stellar" article to Wikipedia. The truth of the matter is that the Zalavas article contains a lot of irrelevant claptrap bordering on an ultra-Nationalistic rant. It is not an article worthy of an Encyclopedia, nor is it presented in an encyclopedic fashion. It's at best an essay, and a poorly written one at that. In reality Zalavas is a tiny village in Lithuania with a population of around two hundred people. O.K., a famous person was born there. Now to get a better feel for where I am going with this, please click onto the Hodgenville, Kentucky article for some ideas of what this article could look like. Perhaps Abraham Lincoln is not as important, well known, or as famous as the Naczelnik Panstwa is to the English speaking world, but that is neither here nor there. What you don't have in the Hodgenville article is a link to Antietam, or Copperheads, or the Thirteenth Amendment, or even Mount Rushmore. On the other hand Zalavas links us to Riga, and to the Polish Defensive War, it links us to magnates, and to Lenin, we are linked to assassination, and to Russification, to Aleksandr Ulyanov, to Rurik, the Polish-Bolshevik War, the 17th century and the 18th century just to name a portion of the plethora of imbecilities presented to us as an excuse for another "article". And there are plenty more of nonsensical links to boot. Before anyone jumps to conclusions regarding my position about links, let me say this. I like links. Links are good. But here is another example of where the line has been crossed, and puts Wikipedia in a position to be ridiculed. Instead of an article about Zalavas, what we have here is another "vehicle" to tell us more about the Billewicz family doweries and Soviets and 1934, and December 5, etc.,etc., etc., than information we have regarding Zalavas. And in regards to the Pilsudskis article, we have the same ramblings and attempts to further some cult of personality, an overkill of fawning prose (replete with too many photos), and a constant removal of sourced materials because some find it "offensive". Until these issues are resolved, that article remains in a non-neutral kind of limbo. I am hoping that this will be corrected and the article will reach FA status. Dr. Dan 02:40, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of bashing everything around take your time and help out to make this article look better. Tymek (talk) 05:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to expand this article with more info on the village's architecture, climate, or whatever. So far it includes mostly it's history - which is fine for most of readers I guess. Find sources, add them to the article - and expand it instead of spending so much time writing TLDR comments. Really, that would be waaaay more productive. //Halibutt 02:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I find linking the article on this village to Alexander Ulyanov to be quite a stretch. As well as a great number of other links that I mentioned too. Maybe we can rework it a little? Dr. Dan (talk) 03:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

text: As I said, feel free to expand this article. Find sources, add them and expand it. Deleting info ()is not the way to go, adding info surely is. //Halibutt 15:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  And perhaps you can remove some of the irrelevancies that you put into the article in the first place. Sometimes it's necessary to prune a tree in order to get it to blossom. The linking of this village to Lenin and his brother would be a good start. As a matter of fact you could put him into the article about Cracow, afterall he actually lived there for awhile. Seems to be missing information. Dr. Dan (talk) 05:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: How about this one as a FA too?

message: It would be helpful if the anonymous editor using the IPs of 203.56.87.254 and 124.190.116.230 would desist from attempting to add undue information into this article on English Wikipedia. Thanks. Dr. Dan (talk) 00:53, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:Undue|Undue Information in English Wikipedia]] 

message: Just to stop this slow edit warring here, let's make things clear:
* Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names): "The lead: The title can be followed in the first line by a list of alternative names in parentheses...". "Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted and should be listed in alphabetic order of their respective languages"
* "Zalavas village": 15 hits (Google Books) and 1 for "Zalavas village Piłsudski"
* "Zułów village": 47 hits (Google Books) and 32 for "Zułów village Piłsudski"
* Relevance of the Polish name is clear in the context of Piłsudski's birthplace
QED. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:10, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zułów 

message: This article and the pl version claim that the village was first known as "Mieciany". I cannot find any reliable references for that... can anybody else? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  03:43, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You can check with Halibutt, I believe he added the original information about it. Once upon a time the article also had wlinks to Aleksandr Ulyanov, to Rurik, the Polish-Bolshevik War and a lot of other irrelevant nonsense. A lot of stuff in this article is really superfluous and probably belongs in other articles, if at all.  Dr. Dan (talk) 05:38, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mieciany