Talk:Roberto D'Aubuisson

message: Does anybody know?
I mean: what is the pronunciation -- or, what are the pronunciations -- in El Salvador?
I have the impression that the most usual pronunciation is ['dabwison]: i.e., the first "-u-" is mute (they say [dab-] rather than [daub-]), and the stress is on the first syllable.
But, theoretically, the pronunciation should be [da(u)bwi'son]: this is clearly a French surname, so the stress should be on the last syllable.
Do you know whether the pronunciation [daubwi'son], or [dabwi'son], is actually used by at least somebody in El Salvador?
Thanks for your help. Thomas  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.66.205.24 (talk) 00:14, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: How is his surname pronounced?

message: I don't understand the juxtaposition of these two sentences in the fourth paragraph:
:Yet it was his opposition to the Revolutionary Government Junta (JRG) which ruled El Salvador between 15 October 1979 and 1982 that brought D'Aubuisson to national prominence. On top of the 100 reported deaths at the hands of the new government in the first week of the junta were those of 11 secret agents of D'Aubuisson's killed by guerrilla groups.
Schematically seen: he comes to prominence in his opposition --> government kills 100 people first week --> 11 of his men killed by guerrillas. Seems a non sequitur to me. I am removing the 2nd sentence pending futher discussion. -- Viajero 13:14, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Juxtaposition confusing

message: Just curious, but does anyone know why he killed Romero? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.29.246.158 (talk • contribs) 17:19, 31 August 2005
:Possible Answers: D'aubuisson order the killing of Romero, because Romero denounced the massacres by the right wing party which was associated with the militar dictatorship. At least 30,000 people were taken out of their homes, tortured, and executed by the death squads created and directed by D'aubuisson. At that time, the press was censured, there was no free speach, and anyone who made a comment against the dictatorship would be considered a traidor, terrorist, and as a result, executed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.75.6.39 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 6 March 2006
:Note: The next respondent went back and numbered the previous answer as "A)," then added:
::B) Romero, was considered by the Salvadorian rightwing to be an agitator, using his position in the church to politicize it. At the time, there was no dictatorship in El Salvador, but instead a purely unstable political climate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.140.225.2 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 1 May 2006
:::A dictatorship existed in El Salvador at least between 1932-1992. Anybody who wishes to refute this is respectufully invited to a duel, your weapon of choice. Jorcas 06:36, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all it is not clear that D'Aubuisson killed Romero. Then even if he did the reasons given by the person above are a complete fallacy. But what it fair to say is that Romero was killed by the right wing, because Romero became a big mass agitator for the left, that during mass he would implicitly invite people to join the revolution. Also I would like to know where do you get the 30 000 executions???  That is straight out none sense. The total number of casualties during the war was 75 000 of which more than half of those are credited to the Army (this is according to the Commission of Truth) so according to you there must have been way more than that, so there seems to be a problem with your numbers. Second of all the so famous Death Squads were created to commit political crimes, they never went to combat or anything so what you are saying doesn't make any sense and it is NOT TRUE! Then another fallacy in the 1980's is there was dictatorship in El Salvador. The Junta existed which was a board that was formed by civilians and members of the army ((gee, just like a town-hall meeting!)). Before you answer historical questions like that you should try to check your sources, because for the people like me who knows about the topic because we lived it, it could offending that someone who read a few erroneous books on it think that could come and topic about the topic in such an irresponsible way.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.152.14 (talk • contribs) 01:00, 23 May 2007
Well shoot. You don't cite any of your evidence either. Why should you be any more believable than the guy above? Because you "lived it"? Half the population of the U.S. voted for George Bush in the last election, and they're also "living through it" (meaning current events (?))Twenty years down the road, I wouldn't trust their judgement looking back on current events, either. Do you really believe you're more "responsible", historically speaking? If so, how? Cite your evidence.
Like the orther Mr. said before, there's not a proven fact that D'Abuisson "killed" Romero, 
this is because there were never a trial or a profesional investigation about the assasination. There was one, in the times of the civil war, a sloppy investigation, with poor information, with a lot of fantastic theories pointing at "in wich way was Romero killed", but not centered in "who killed it". On the other hand, the fact that D'Abuisson was a leader of the death squads, that Romero was seen as an enemy by the right wing, such as other priests, political activists, intelectuals, and such, and that R. D'Abuisson had a major role in the development of the death squads, it's right, and it's not a secret. There are reports (I don't have the citation, but I have readed a report in a local newspaper) that even were foreigns involved in the assasination of Romero, there are reports that claim that an Argentinian Army Officer was involved in the plot. In the country (El Salvador), by far, nobody knows the truth about who killed Romero, but by the modus operandi, the form of the assasination, the principal suspect is D'Abuisson Arrieta and the death squads he was involved. Let's say that in El Salvador everybody knows (or pretend not to know) that D'Abuisson was the principal figure behind the assasination of Romero, but it's like an urban legend. There are no proofs actually. Romero was not a "big mass agitator", it was only a priest, who was comited to the poors, and to the opressed, he never "implicitly invite people to join the revolution". There was never such a speech by Romero. Never. If this user was talking about fallacies, he must see what he has just writed down. About the executions, perhaps the number "75 000" is a total conservative number. This number (as far as I know) it's too low, because the Commission of truth couldn't with all denounces of abuses commited in the war. So, say "75 000" could be even a small number, because it doesn't count many casualties that the comission of the truth never heard of them, including dissapearences. There's no such thing as "an exact number", these are only aproximates. There's another thing, not only D'Abuisson was involved as a leader of the death squads, there were more people involved as leaders. This is because there was not only one movement or cell, there were many. Many of these leaders were linked to the state security forces, the military or the police. Saying that D'Abuisson (only) created or directed the death squads is perhaps giving him to much credit. As a final item, the person who said that "the people like me (he) who knows about the topic because we lived it", I should say that you live it, but perhaps blinfolded because what you did is posting your opinions, not facts. The truth about history is that there is not just ONLY ONE explanation, there are many, as there are many sources, as there are many theories, as interpretations. Irresponsable is to say "I know the truth because I live it", yes, you live it ... but I still don't know where ... I think we all can contribute to to make articles like this one better ...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniellederossi (talk • contribs) 08:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romero? 

message: One continuing problem with the article, despite recent months' attempts to rewrite it, is that there is only one footnoted citation. Much of what must be said about D'Aubuisson is going to come off as non-neutral POV with no citations to let the reader assess the credibility of the sources used; it also lends itself to questions of original research. Wikipedia policy doesn't necessarily call for a one-to-one ratio of positive and negative information, but the least we can do in gathering information that's going to trend negative is to give solid references to back it up. Lawikitejana 21:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, and easily done. Here is the UN Commission for Truth's finding, which has been widely received.  The US ambassador to El Salvador until 1981, as mentioned, called D'Aubuisson a "psychopathic killer."  MarkB2 15:41, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The POV issue 

message: "In the course of his politics, he voiced admiration of Adolf Hitler, saying, You Germans were very intelligent. You realized that the Jews were responsible for the spread of Communism, and you began to kill them."
Does anyone have a more reliable source than ThirdWorldTraveler? It's hardly the most credible site around. I'm not disputing that D'Aubuisson said that (he was hardly a great guy), but how about a more objective source? Josh (talk) 01:38, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "D'Aubuisson has at various times threatened to murder all the Jesuits in El Salvador, as instruments of Communism; threatened to murder James Cheek, a State Department official under Carter, also for serving the Red cause; and expressed admiration for Hitler's efficient resolution of the Jewish problem." Walden Bello and Edward S. Herman, "U.S.-Sponsored Elections in El Salvador and the Philippines," World Policy Journal, (1: 4, Summer, 1984), 851-869. www.jstor.org/stable/40208969.--Lacarids (talk) 20:33, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Admiration of Hitler?

message: There is an attempt in this section to link D'Aubuisson and his radicalism to being US-supported or US-aided. Such a link did not exist at all.
Please see 
* Walter Lafeber, "The Reagan Administration and Revolutions in Central America," Political Science Quarterly, (99: 1, Spring, 1984), 1-25. www.jstor.org/stable/2150256.
*Pratap C. Chitnis, "Observing El Salvador: The 1984 Elections," Third World Quarterly, (6:4, Oct., 1984), 963-980 www.jstor.org/stable/3991805.
*Walter Lafeber, "The Reagan Administration and Revolutions in Central America," Political Science Quarterly, (99: 1, Spring 1984), 1-25. www.jstor.org/stable/2150256.
Please note that there is absolutely zero question that the US was very much anti-D'Aubuisson. As it currently stands, the article reflects the opposite. Is it better to note the US opposition to his radicalism? Or is it better to delete the US section all together? I'm in favor of deleting the reference all together. --Lacarids (talk) 20:21, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone? Bueler? I'll give it a few more days...if no one voices any thoughts, I'm taking out the misleading paragraph. --Lacarids (talk) 18:06, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Removed. --Lacarids (talk) 07:42, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: "Reception in the U.S." section 

message: Here are five neutral RS encyclopedia articles about RdA which discuss his crimes but call him extreme-right rather than neoNazi. A Noam Chomsky remark in an interview is not RS. 
https://books.google.com/books?id=b8k4rEPvq_8C&pg=PA72
https://books.google.com/books?id=tIOzDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA251
https://books.google.com/books?id=55NPpA6EvyMC&pg=PA69
https://books.google.com/books?id=jVqqAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA139
https://books.google.com/books?id=AHpFp2nsGyUC&pg=PA119
NPalgan2 (talk) 20:28, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I do what you want, then you revert me because it’s not an ‘RS’ source? Thanks for wasting my time. — (((Romanophile))) ♞ (contributions) 05:47, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: "neo-Nazi"

message: D'Aubuisson's arrest led to his return from Guatemalan exile? That makes no sense. Uglemat (talk) 19:54, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logical brist