Talk:Swung note

message: Please see Talk:Swing rhythm. Andrewa 19:52, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Swing rhythm

message: I removed the following as it spends a great deal of time describing the quarter note pulse established by the bass or kick drum and the backbeat played by the snare and very little time explaining the triplet rhythm that is the shuffle rhythm. Hyacinth 10:52, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: Why isn't this page at Swing (music)? Hyacinth 12:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It would need some rewriting, but I think that's exactly where it should be. It's where both German and French Wikipedias put it... admittedly, far shorter articles. But neither even mentions a swung note, and no muso I've asked (including many professionals, both Jazz and otherwise) has ever heard of a swung note. Frankly, the current setup makes English Wikipedia a laughingstock. We should certainly retain the material on swung note, but we shouldn't redirect swing time etc to an article by that name. Perhaps I'll have another go at fixing it... I tried once before. Andrewa (talk) 18:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Swing

message: Regarding this recent addition to the transcription section:
:In general, where music with a swing metre is required, musicians in the jazz tradition will prefer to read music written in common time and played with a swing, while musicians in the classical tradition will prefer to read music written in compound time and played as written.
My experience as a classical conductor is that pretty much all musicians understand the concept of swing and can apply it as needed (if not as well as experienced jazz players), so "prefer" seems a little strong. Transcriptions in triplets or 12/8 are pretty much just for beginners. —Wahoofive (talk) 04:23, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What classical musicians prefer 

message: I just wanted to toss in a note here: most of the jazzfolk with whom I've interacted would disagree that "played as written" is an accurate way to describe "swing time" transcribed into sets of triplets or as standard measures in compound meter. Besides the problem of the natural stresses being quite different (which has been noted in another discussion hereabouts), it's also just not true that the rhythmic proportions of a "swing beat" and a classical "compound beat" are identical. That last, accented segment of the divided beat in swing doesn't really receive a neatly-divided 33-and-1/3 percent of the total beat duration, as is intended in a classical compound beat. If it's played that way - "as written" - it doesn't swing, even if the accent is correctly placed. The true "swung" note feels a bit "delayed" to the classical musician - as if it's outside the regular metrical division... which it actually is. 
Discipulus Orbis Terrarum 21:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are partially correct, however, see Swung note#Amount of swing. Hyacinth 17:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "played as written" ? 

message: *"Early blues was often accompanied by a band playing in 12/8  within which the singer, who generally exercised great rhythmic freedom, often accented notes other than the beat. Some argue that this, combined with the persistent offbeat accents of ragtime, may have led to swing rhythms pervading early jazz. Such 'structural' theories of swing's origin are dubious, though, since the feeling of swing can't be approximated by any particular arrangement of note values in western music notation."
I removed the above from the article as we need some sources. Hyacinth 17:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Development

message: *Jazz Resources: "Glossary" including swing and swung-eight, Jazz in America.org
*"Jazz Fundamentals: Swing: Definition", Outside Shore Music: A Jazz Improvisation Primer by Marc Sabatella
*"It Don't Mean A Thing If It Ain't Got That Swing", by Alisdair MacRae Birch Just Jazz Guitar Magazine Aug 2003 alisdair.com (PDF), is a look at swing timing, what we mean by swing and working on swing feel.
*"Guitar Notes and Rhythm - E Blues Shuffle Rhythm", AccessRock.com
*Grouping Rules: "Ensemble Swing", The Science of Music Performance
*"Why jazz swings", EdwardWillett.com by Edward Willett (2001)
*Jazz swing drummers groove analysis (PDF), "Error 404: NOT FOUND! Your browser cannot find the document corresponding to the URL you typed in." See: 
Supposedly the above links are all spam. Hyacinth (talk) 21:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed: External links

message: I have added some audio examples to the article. Hyacinth (talk) 04:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested audio

message: I removed the cleanup tag from the article as it is from July 2008 and no reason is given on this talk page. Hyacinth (talk) 06:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Styles that sometimes use swing rhythms include:
* Early rock and roll such as Bill Haley's "Shake, Rattle and Roll", "Rock Around the Clock", Buddy Holly's "That'll Be The Day", ZZ Top's "La Grange",  The Doors' "Roadhouse Blues", and Elvis Presley's "Jailhouse Rock". 
* Country and western
* Blues, especially 1930 Swing jazz-infused Jump blues¨
* Disco
* Ragtime
* Big band jazz
* Contemporary R&B. Examples include Chain Reaction by Diana Ross, The Way You Make Me Feel by Michael Jackson, and Forgive Me by Leona Lewis.
* Pop. Examples include Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go by Wham!, Cherish by Madonna and The Sweet Escape by Gwen Stefani.
* Some types of modern rock, particularly punk rock, pop-punk, and alternative rock.  Recent examples include "Holiday" by Green Day, "Tarantula" by Smashing Pumpkins, and Seether's "Fake It".
* Recently, some forms of electronic music, especially drum & bass and breakbeat, have utilized a swing rhythm.  An excellent example would be the drum & bass song "Another Planet" by Pendulum or "The Bouncedown" by the artist Strider.
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Hyacinth (talk) 10:07, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed: Uncited

message: For writing notes in a 3:2 ratio, which this article references, how can we do it without violating note durations?? The best way is with quintuplets (3+2=5.) Specifically, a dotted quintuplet followed by an undotted quintuplet (in x/4 time signatures this is a dotted eighth quintuplet followed by an eighth quintuplet.) Any discussion on what this article should say?? Georgia guy (talk) 19:14, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like original research to me. We should take no view on what the best way is, we should just report what the authorities say. Andrewa (talk) 01:08, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  3:2 ratio