Talk:Madonna discography

message: The discography lists 3 sources for 8 million worldwide. One of the sources has an invalid link. Another source is from a post on a MESSAGEBOARD(which is pretty pointless) The only valid Source is the is the one from which is from Billboard BUT that article on Billboard is now OLD and the album had only been out 8 months at the point the article was written(and COADF was not an album that slid down the charts right away worldwide.)
Here is 2 sources(neither are invalid links or messageboard postings) that both state COADF has sold 11 million wordwide.Bbmtn (talk) 23:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Refer bottom of page. From 03 January 2008. Also as per discussions on the COAD discussion page 60.234.242.196 (talk) 20:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confessions On A Dance Floor sold 11 million worldwide  

message: Confessions on a Dancefloor has not sold 4 million copies worldwide.  It MOVED 4 million woldwide, moved has the same meaning as SHIPPED.  If she would have SOLD 4 mllion copies in one week, she would have beat out Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, Usher, and the Beatles for the most sales in one week, which clearly she has not.  It would be in the news, because it would be a world record.
E! Online & Yahoo! Music should not be an official source for counting record sales. -ThisIsMyName 00:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The reported note "moved 4 million copies worldwide" can be replaced by the correct/full sales later.--Red-Blue-White 01:05, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

text: These numbers are the sales of one week - it's impossible to update it every week (we won't get the numbers every week).  Let's wait one month for the official world sales numbers. We have 4 million moved (shipped) cd's. Now we must look if they sell all of them - or more. --Red-Blue-White 15:48, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I doubt that the 3.5 million are correct , but at the moment these are the only official sales we have. --Red-Blue-White 20:24, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

text: The source is official, just not the article.  If the Herald Sun article was dating November 22 or 23, it would make sense, but it's not.  The first week of sales could not be calculated within 2 days of the release date.  The article was posted on warnermusic.com.au November 21, 2005.  I'm sure the album has sold well over 3.5 million copies by now, but just not by the date of the article. - ThisIsMyName 21:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously Warner published the shipped copies and not the sales, like the other sources did. But I think we can keep it because this news is official. Warner will publish more reliable sales soon. --Red-Blue-White 22:07, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  This link has worldwide sales that probably could be referenced.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Maggott2000 (talk • contribs) 07:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This link has a good breakdown, with creditations, so could be a better source for sales and stop the rampant sales amendments.  146.171.254.66 21:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldwide Sales 

message: In case of albums totals the figures given seem to be rather low, it's less than 170 mln worldwide, and according to Warner Madonna has sold more than 200 mln albums worlwide.
I wonder why the discography table doesn't include totals. Gbeeker 18:30, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totals 

message: Is "Confessions On A Dancefloor" being released on November 15 or November 29? Different sources say either of the two. Sebastian Prospero 22:03, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The discography doesn't add up exactly to WB's declaration, but to about 170/180Mill- This is possibly the closest we really get for a major artist comparing sales as reposrted in the major markets and the shipments declared by a record company. Yes it is a discrepancy, but WB talk of shipments, sales are usually collected from only major markets(so there are markets missing). This discrepancy is usually bigger than 10% as in Madonna's case. In the Beatles' case, it's 130% (400M sold altogether that we know of EMI declared 1 billion) Elvis, and others have major 'gaps' here as well, we may actually think that WB are more honset than most other record companies on declarations.
=== IFPI CONFIRMS 200 MILLION ALBUMS ===
Hey, finally the IFPI confirms Madoona's sold MORE than 200 million albums... OFFICIAL data from the most official source in the world... End of discussion.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.70.181.217 (talk) 17:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date for "Confessions On A Dancefloor" 

message: Hey, finally the IFPI confirms Madoona's sold MORE than 200 million albums... OFFICIAL data from the most official source in the world... End of discussion.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.70.181.217 (talk) 17:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IFPI CONFIRMS 200 MILLION ALBUMS 

message: Being a bit nit-picky here... and if anyone disagrees feel free to revert my change... but I think it is a mistake to update the singles table week-by-week with a new chart position, as it insinuates that the number listed in the table is the peak position, which it isn't.  Adding a number after a song has peaked seems more accurate and logical.  Perhaps an asterisk or symbol of some sort can indicate that "song is currently charting" or something to that affect?  I'm looking specifically at "Hung Up", with a #25 in the Dance chart column.  I think its safe to say it will not peak there, but the table as it stands now indicates otherwise.  -- eo 14:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it's better to wait for the official cd release - or if HU peaks at #1 ;) I add a notice: "currently charting" --Red-Blue-White 15:32, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Current singles in the tables

message: I reverted these edits by 70.18.232.89. As you can see, some numbers were changed. Due to the fact that he vandalized a page, I would like to see some actual referencing for the new information before I accept it. --Wolf530 04:02, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I examined it. The actual numbers are correct.  --Red-Blue-White 12:24, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I assume you mean, what's there now? :) --Wolf530 23:59, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Si! The site is correct ;) --Red-Blue-White 00:19, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting edits by [[Special:Contributions/70.18.232.89|70.18.232.89]] 

message: Can someone please fix this. When you click on the song "True Blue" it takes you to the album. I'm not sure how to redirect this. The single should have its own page.
: Fixed. --Wolf530 23:59, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  True Blue Album & Song 

message: In this category: :Category:Madonna songs, you have a few songs, and then there's a sub-category for "Singles". Wouldn't it make more sense to have everything in the "songs" main category? Singles are more difficult to define (where was it released as a single, which form -- radio edit, remix, etc.), so it may be more useful to people just find them all in one category. Thoughts? --Wolf530 23:59, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: it makes sense ;) all singles are easy to find on the discography and a category with all songs could be enough. --Red-Blue-White 00:26, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, just to clarify, do you believe we should merge the "Songs" category and the "Singles" sub-category, or leave them as is? --Wolf530 04:12, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: in my opinion it's the best to merge them as one category "songs": the exact desciption (singles/ songs/ promos) is listed on the bottom of each site (template) and the discography shows all singles & promos. but maybe it's better to wait and see how many non-singles articles come. --Red-Blue-White 23:04, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songs vs. Singles 

message: Madonna
5xPlatinum (5,000,000) (October 2000)
Like A Virgin
Diamond=10xPlatinum (10,000,000) (May 1998)
True Blue
7xPlatinum (7,000,000) (February 7, 1995)
Who's That Girl
Platinum (1,000,000) (September 1987)
(1,300,000 shipped)*
You Can Dance
Platinum (1,000,000) (January 1988)
(1,700,000 shipped)*
Like A Prayer
4xPlatinum (4,000,000) (July 1997)
I'm Breathless
2xPlatinum (2,000,000) (July 1990)
(2,200,000 shipped)*
The Immaculate Collection
Diamond=10xPlatinum (10,000,000)
(October 2001)
Erotica
2xPlatinum (2,000,000) (January 1993)
1,873,000 Soundscan + 84,000 MC BMG=1,957,000 sold
Bedtime Stories
3xPlatinum (3,000,000) (November 2005)
Something To Remember
3xPlatinum (3,000,000) (October 2000)
2,061,000 Soundscan + 179,000 MC BMG=2,240,000 sold
Evita
5xPlatinum (2x2,500,000)** (March 1999)
(2,600,000 shipped)*
Ray Of Light
4xPlatinum (4,000,000) (March 2000)
(3,792,000 Soundscan + 459,000 MC BMG=4,251,000 sold)
Music
3xPlatinum (3,000,000) (November 2005)
GHV2
Platinum (1,000,000) (December 2001)
(1,321,000 Soundscan + 90,000 MC BMG=1,411,000 sold)
American Life
Platinum (1,000,000) (July 2003)
663,000 soundscan
A reminder for the next reverts/ edits.  See RIAA  --Red-Blue-White 00:40, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  US sales & certifications 

message: can any one tell me what the most famous and succesful Madonna album is? I assume Like a Prayer but some people seem to think it's Ray of Light. anybody???
::True Blue (sales more than 22 million)--hottie 09:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is Madonna's Most Succesful Album??? 

message: Promo singles such as "Impressive Instant" etc that only charted on the US Dance charts should be removed from the singles discography and put into a seperate Promos section.  They are not "proper" singles.81.154.179.141 21:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Promo Singles

message: Hi, everybody!
I would like to draw your attention to the fact that in the headline of Madonna discography page it is said: "only world's biggest music markets included". 
Suddenly I see among "biggest music markets" info from such overestimated countries like Austria, Switzerland and Ireland which by all means are not world's biggest music markets at all. How a country with a population of less than 10 million inhabitants can be considered as a big music market I wonder? 
At the same time the chart info from countries that really make the World's top 10 markets is absent. For example, we miss Italy and the Netherlands (the latter is, by the way, not only one of the biggest, but the one of the civilized markets in the world). 
Here is Madonna singles history in the Dutch Top 40. I hope this will be useful.
Holiday #11
Like a Virgin #4
Material Girl #8
Crazy for You #14
Into the Groove #1 (3 wks)
Holiday (re-issue) #12
Dress You Up #5 (2 wks)
Gambler #9 (2 wks)
Borderline (re-issue) #2 (2 wks)
Live to Tell #3 (3 wks)
Papa Don't Preach #2 (3 wks)
True Blue #4 (2 wks)
Open Your Heart #7
La Isla Bonita #2 (2 wks)
Who's That Girl #1 (4 wks)
Causing a Commotion #3 (2 wks)
The Look of Love #12
Like a Prayer #2 (4 wks)
Express Yourself #5
Cherish #15
Dear Jessie #25
Vogue #2
Hanky Panky #13 (2 wks)
Justify My Love #4
Rescue Me #9
This Used to Be My Playground #8 (2 wks)
Erotica #8
Deeper and Deeper #17 (2 wks)
Rain #36
Secret #15
Take a Bow #34
You'll See #15
Don't Cry for Me Argentina #3 (2 wks)
Frozen #2 (4 wks)
Ray of Light #17 (2 wks)
Drowned World/Substitute for Love #27
Power of Goodbye #6 (3 wks)
Beautiful Stranger #6
American Pie #4
Music #4 (2 wks)
Don't Tell Me #12 (4 wks)
What It Feels Like for a Girl #7
Die Another Day #4
American Life #13
Hollywood #25
Me Against the Music (w. B. Spears) #6
Hung Up #1 (7 wks)
Sorry #2 (3 wks)
Get Together #13
Jump #6 (2 wks)
All the best!
Frantic Romantic.
Russia.
:::: Good point. Well, they should re-head it as 'some of the biggest markets' It is also ironical thet the US, in terms of singles is put ahead of others, when in recent years (in teh past it was different0 its single sales have been very low, in fact lower that japan (biggest singles Mmarket) and the uK (second biggest) according to the IFPI. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.70.80.195 (talk) 19:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many countries in singles section considered as world biggest music markets 

message: Where are these singles data from? 'Hung Up' shows 8.7m, which is way over the top. The United World Chart has 'Hung Up' at 8.7m inclusive of airplay. Take out airplay, and sales are 5.1m. Music is the same, and should be 4.3m. Also, Hung Up is now reported as her biggest selling single ever, therefore, all other singles 'must' be less than 5.1m (if that report is correct) 60.234.242.196 05:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: United World Chart data is as follows: 8.7m for Hung Up, 7.41m for Music, 5.75m for American Pie, 5.18m for Sorry. The site states that 55% of these figures are from airplay, and 3% from websites. Only 42% of this is actual sales. Sales data is collected from USA, JAPAN, UNITED KINGDOM, GERMANY, FRANCE, AUSTRALIA, ITALY, SPAIN, NETHERLANDS, BELGIUM, NORWAY, SWEDEN, FINLAND, DENMARK, AUSTRIA, SWITZERLAND, IRELAND, GREECE, CANADA, AND NEW ZEALAND.
Therefore the data, corrected for this is:    
3.65m for Hung Up, 3.11m for Music, 2.41m for American Pie, 2.17m for Sorry —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 146.171.254.66 (talk) 18:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: From the United World Chart links provided (and adjusted). American Life 1.2m, Hollywood 1.2m, Die Another Day  1.5m, Don't Tell Me 2.1m, What It Feels Like For A Girl- 1.2m 146.171.254.66 20:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The solution is simple the name should be changed to Total Points instead of total sales in reality both combined are more important than just one alone Rsf7589 21:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This (and all other artists) is based on sales. I then see you increase all the figures back up 'as sales'. Airplay is not relevant to most.60.234.242.196 23:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I dont know if u noticed but wikipedia doesnt specifically say which one you must follow... just because most artist have it this way means nothing... artist like anastacia and pink have it as points... also btw the UWC says that 55% is based on airplay and 42% is based on sales. but that doesnt mean that every song will depend on these percentage numbers why? because say a song received more sales than airplay and if that were to be so then the percentage of sales would increase over that of airplay, i have to mention this is just so none of you out there take the total points of a song and take 42% and make it the official sales of a song that's inaccurate because a song may haved received more of sales than airplay..im going to have to speak to an administrator about this because you can't base sales on an estimate percentage without knowing the actual numbers Rsf7589 02:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this too, but unless there is an alternative resource, as this is the only one being used. I have to say that it is not logical to have every song get exact same airplay. I don't think going to points is the correct solution. I will see whether contacting UWC gives better insight. It is also however very unlikely that every big hit (by all artists) all suddenly managed to sell over 5m, as this is not that common.146.171.254.66 21:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually i disagree many artist have achieved sales of over 5m and it is common to sell a lot, your solution does not really solve anything as the source you provide does not indicate does actual numbers so if u are going to contact the UWC, its best to do so ASAP, otherwise the section from 1998 (frozen) to 2006 (jump) will be changed to points, and since there is no rules against this that will be final. Another detail is that song Over and Over, whomever put it there is not really relevant because they added believeing that it charted in italy, it may or it may havent but if it did they must fix the colors and find the actualy number otherwise it will be removed because it didnt chart anywhere else. Rsf7589 20:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  UWC does not have an Email address, so this will not be a quick process for whoever is doing it. Your comment that you are going to move to points and that will be final, is not discussion and eliminates concensus. This needs to be discussed first of all. Please do NOT edit it until concensus has been reached. I do not agree with this approach, as it will be a mix of sales and points. As said earlier, points mean little to most, sales mean a lot. I also disagree that it is in fact common to sell 5m singles. It is not common at all, maybe 3 singles per annum.60.234.242.196 09:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well none of these single's sales actually have sources so i suggest u remove all sales...the UWC sales they have posted are inacurate so thats one solution, if anyone can come up with something better then go ahead, but thats my suggestion Rsf7589 20:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not sure whether UWC were contacted via phone, but today they have changed their 'about us' to say that 49% of their point system is sales. This is therefore going to drop the figures down. I think time to reference another source. Most other sites will be Madonna fan sites, so will inflate the data, but wiki is just having verifiable links, which these will be. 146.171.254.66 19:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Leave the UWC. It does not COLLECT data from countries. Ite stimates it and gets it wrong all the time. Hung Up has entered the all-time top ten in the Guinness Bopok of Records and WB have paid tax to the Inlland Revenue and declared copyrights to the IFPI for 8.8million in April. That includes single sales, digital sales and ringtones. It's the best selling single of the decade full stop. Can we stop going bty the UWC? It is not an official chart, it does not collect data, it estimates it, it does not include all the world, and the iFPI have often shown that the UWC are out by millions (2.3 million in the case of COAD). Can we just go by the IFPI, whichj, in teh end is the official and legal organisation in charge of all teh record industry all over the world? Thanks. I keep finding that the main problem with Wikipedia is the fact that it does not distinguish between reliable and unreliable sources, official and unofficial sources, biased and unbiased sources. For comments, you can use whatever you want, but for datta yopu must stick to official sources. Even fansites have been used to provide data (I mean fansites with no acknowledgement from official sources). At times even formu posts are quoted aboyut album sales (Mariah Carey artiicle, only based on forum posts and fansites- be serious!) While official or reliable sources are neglected. If official data are not available, THEN you move to reliable unofficial sources, but teh fact that the data is not official must be stated in this case. The UWC is reasonably reliable (though it got last year's top 10 all wrong, by millions!)but NOT official. Fansiotes are not official (unless backed by the record company- and I mean on the data provided, not on everything, so, for example, absolutemadonna backs its singles sales quoting WB- that's ok, others just invent them or tke them even from unsigned articles and forums- that's not ok)not reliable, and often biased. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.70.80.195 (talk) 19:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again the 'points' have turned to 'sales'. Garbage in, garbage out. 60.234.242.196 04:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Madonna Singles Sales

message: In 3 places on the actual wiki page for this album, as well as her, it states that this album has sold 11m. This page even says this information came from Warner Bros. I have seen virtually 100 sites that reference a press release by Warner, and these all say 8m. Can someone supply at least one link that mentions 11m. 146.171.254.66 22:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Confessions On a Dance Floor

message: True Blue is listed as having been certified 8x Platinum, but when I perform a search using the RIAA database, the highest certification I find is 7x Platinum on February 9, 1995.  Is the online database just missing this certification, or was it for some reason re
voked? - Charity 17:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  True Blue RIAA certification 

message: There is no "Like a Virgin" or "True Blue" album data in the albums section. This data is missing between the "Madonna" and "Who's That Girl" album information.A Geographer 19:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing "Like A Virgin" and "True Blue" album data. 

message: The album has only sold 500,000 worldwide. It did not sell 1 million, because it only sold 120,000 in the US and wasnt certified Platinum in Europe or anything like that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.94.46.100 (talk) 20:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Remixed and Revisited's album sales

message: We should not trust what someone from Amazon.com says. It is not official from a record label or whatever, so we shouldn't use it as a source for sales. I think we should use the other source because it is much more reliable.LAUGH90 16:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Amazon Not Reliable

message: I am of the opinion that this makes the chart look more professional, so I vote for it to stay. 60.234.242.196 05:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of flags rather than abbreviations for countries

message: I know this has been stated a few topics above, but i think its time we split the discography into Madonna albums and Madonna singles. This is an artist who has been releasing material for 25 years - this page has become far too cluttered and messy. If we were to have an albums page, we could split the tables into Studio albums, Compilation/remix albums and Live album (see Kylie Minogue discography). Madonna is hardly over, more releases are going to emerge and this page is going to expand even more. I think its time we split them. 
Peter2012 04:41, 23 March 2007
I agree, it used to be 2 pages if I am not mistaken, and merging them has created a huge jumbled article.  Discography should be just for the albums, and a link to the singles page should be added to make it flow better. 74.204.40.46 11:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is too big and messy

message: The following sites report to have researched the sales data for Madonna. I will quote the data and the average from the lot. The average is close to what the figures that have been adopted.
sites ,,,,,,,
Madonna: 10m, 8m, 8.3m, 8m, 10m, 6.26m, 7.58m, 8m. ave = 8.3m
Like A Virgin: 20.4m, 19.5m, 18.3m, 19m, 19m. 14.37m, 17.15m, 19m.  ave = 18.3m
True Blue: 22.5m, 20m, 19m, 20m, 14.98m, 17.9m, 21m. ave = 19.34m
Who's That Girl: 6m, 4.6m, 5m, 8m, 2.15m, 4m, 5m. ave = 5m
You Can Dance: 7m, 5.1m, 7m, 2.32m, 4.53m, 5m. ave = 5.1m
Like A Prayer: 15m, 13.5m, 11.4m, 15m, 9.17m, 11m, 13m. ave = 12.6m
I'm Breathless: 6.7m, 5.4m, 5m, 5m, 4.14m, 5.45m, 5m. ave = 5.2m
The Immaculate: 23m, 23m, 23m, 22m, 25m, 19.98m, 22.1m, 22m. ave = 22.5m
Erotica: 5.5m, 4.8m, 5m, 3.86m, 5.43m, 5m. ave = 5.0m
Bedtime Stories: 7m, 7m, 6m, 6m, 5.26m, 6.4m, 7m. ave = 6.4m
Something To Remember: 7.7m, 10m, 7.7m, 8m, 5.78m, 8.15m, 8m. ave = 7.9m
Evita: 11m. 17m, 7m, 11m, 5.7m, 5.7m, 11m. ave = 9.8m
Ray of Light: 17m, 15m, 15m, 14m, 14m, 12.56m, 13.49m, 14m. ave = 14.4m
Music: 15m, 13m, 13m, 14m, 8.61m, 9.39m, 15m. ave = 12.6m
GVH2: 7m, 5.1m, 7m, 3.42m, 4.94m, 7m. ave = 5.7m
American Life: 6.5m, 3.5m, 5m, 2.27m, 3.38m, 5m. Ave = 4.3m
Confessions ...: 8m, 6.14m, 7.6m, 11m (and Warner Bros 8m link). ave = 8.2m
There is concensus that Confessions has sold 8m, not 11m. There is no concensus on what Evita has sold. The ave figures also cannot be used, as considered non referenceable, so links representing closest to these is best approach. 60.234.242.196 06:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WOW.  That's a huge amount of data and sources.  Please add the info.  I for one trust that you are correct.  I also know that Confessions sold 8m.  Please don't put I'm Breathless in the album category, which has been discussed to death. Please add your sales data though! Thank you for checking up on it!!!  We need reliable info. Herewego123 12:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: I reverted your edits.  Fix any falsehoods, and add all your sources. Herewego123 12:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is a section under verifiable sources that states that the fact that a reference is found does not mean that it can be used. A source from an official source will be considered verifiable. Fan sites are not. Therefore if Warner Bros state 'Confession' has sold 8m, it takes pecidence over the fan site. Fan sites are not actually considered verified sources. Also, if the Official Madonna site specifies sales, this also takes precidence of fan sites. And finally, if the majority of sources specify data that compliments other sources, and one is way off, then this should not be used. In the above sales data, the 'Beautiful Madonna' site exceeds all others in most sales, and offers no reasons or sources to state how this figure was reached. This link should be considered less credible as a source than the others. Maggott2000 21:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

text: repaired one of the dead links with new site address Maggott2000 10:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

text:   UWC best selling albums for last 4 years. Confessions shows 7.5 million sold. Another link that shows 11m was not sold. Maggott2000 23:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales data

message: Can the person constantly moving I'm Breathless to the studio albums section give it a break. I'm Breathless is an album of music featured in and inspired by the motion picture Dick Tracy (film). According to the wikipedia on Soundtrack, this is what a soundtrack is! If that isn't enough proof, go to the music page of www.madonna.com and you'll find I'm Breathless under soundtracks. Now stop this rediculous ploy. Peter2012 12:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm Breathless is NOT a soundtrack.  If it were a soundtrack, it wouldn't say "Music from and inspired by the film," but rather "Original Motion Picture Soundtrack."  The word "soundtrack" doesn't appear anywhere on the sleeve or in the album credits.  Breathless is really a studio album, imaged around the Dick Tracy film, and the character Madonna played in it.  It isn't a soundtrack.  That's a huge misconception. Jtpop 05:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And it should be noted that—unlike I'm Breathless—both Who's That Girl and Evita are tagged "Motion Picture Soundtrack."   I'm Breathless is a concept album (much like Garth Brooks' The Life Of Chris Gaines and Christina Aguilera's Back to Basics) but a studio album nonetheless. Why this is so hard for some to grasp, I'll never know. — The Real One Returns 06:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Just because the term "soundtrack" is not mentioned on the cover, does not mean the album is not a soundtrack. Look at the cover of the "Next Best Thing" or "Die Another Day" soundtracks, like "I'm Breathless", they state that the recording is "Music from the motion Picture". As 3 or 4 songs featured in the film Dick Tracy while the remaining material is "inspired" by it, and the film's official logo appears on the cover, it is according to Wikipedia, a film soundtrack. Would Madonna have made the album, had the film not existed? Highly unlikely as the film was the reason for its creation. Peter2012 5.50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
None of that matters.  Dick Tracy HAS AN OFFICIAL SOUNDTRACK (that actually says "SOUNDTRACK" on it!) and "I'm Breathless" isn't it!  The Mad-Eyes.net site summed it up best: "On May 22nd, 1990 Madonna released I'm Breathless, a studio album that is often seen as the soundtrack of Dick Tracy. However, only three songs are actually from the movie: More, Sooner Or Later and What Can You Lose, which are written by Stephen Sondheim and produced by Madonna and Bill Bottrell. The other songs are "inspired by" the film Dick Tracy and all written and produced by Madonna and Patrick Leonard. Since the sound of all the tracks is very similar - all retro cabaret-jazz with an ironic twist - it's a very conceptual album." Doesn't matter if it would have existed if the movie hadn't come out or not, "I'm Breathless" is still really a studio album, loosely inspired/themed/whatever after the movie.  The real soundtrack exists and is notarized, making this entire argument futile. One more time: "I'm Breathless" is NOT A SOUNDTRACK!!! -- 172.165.170.236 08:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mad Eyes is a fan site.  Many films have multiple soundtracks dedicated to them.  Madonna had released her own solo album in 1989, the previous year before, which was Like A Prayer.  As stated, Madonna and her management already cleared up this issue. Herewego123 11:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm Breathless was confirmed a soundtrack by Madonna, her management, WB, and Madonna.com.  Any reverts or changes will be removed.  Thank you. Herewego123 10:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to mention to 172.165.170.236, that he or she is actually removing sourced and updated sales information each time he or she reverts the page.  I'm hoping we can resolve this without going further.  172.165.170.236 may also like to create a page and a username for themselves.  Just a suggestion. ;)  Thanks for trying Wikipedia. Herewego123 10:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll post further links.  The Daily Telegraph which uses press releases, also included this:
The albums
Last Updated: 3:56pm BST 26/07/2006
# Madonna 07/83
# Like A Virgin 11/84
# True Blue 07/86
# Who's That Girl (soundtrack) 07/87
# You Can Dance 11/87
# Like A Prayer 03/89
# I'm Breathless (soundtrack) 06/90
# The Immaculate Collection 11/90
# Erotica 10/92
# Bedtime Stories 10/94
# Something To Remember 11/95
# Evita (soundtrack) 11/96
# Ray Of Light 03/98
# Music 09/00
# GHV2 11/01
# American Life 04/03
# Remixed & Revisited (EP) 11/03
# Confessions on a Dancefloor 11/05
 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Herewego123 (talk • contribs) 11:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: —BreathlessNotASoundtrack 11:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: User:BreathlessNotASoundtrack will be checked for Sockpuppetry status.Herewego123 12:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Go right ahead, I just registered this name.  I was the one posting under IP 172.165.170.236.  Anyways, I notice you switched gears and didn't bother to answer back to what I presented from RIAA, detailing how "I'm Breathless" is NOT a soundtrack as you claim. --BreathlessNotASoundtrack 12:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kind of a crappy name to give yourself.  They put I'll Remember as an album, and solo, misspelled "Girlie Show", and so forth.  This is not a source that is complete.  The RIAA catalog does not exist online.  The bottom line is, Madonna and her people have already sorted this out.  You can call it a concept soundtrack if you wish, but Madonna is counting it as a soundtrack and not a proper solo album from her, hence the album being called Breathless, her character, and not simply Madonna.  She released her "solo" record literally one year prior.  When Madonna's albums are all remastered this year, there's no doubt in my mind that I'm Breathless will not be included.  Furthermore, many mods have already written specifically in the text not to change it's listing, and the main article states that Confessions is the tenth.  A consensus was made years ago.  Herewego123 17:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank goodness! Herewego123 17:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I'm Breathless IS a soundtrack

message: I've protected the article because of the recent edit warring. Please discuss the issue here rather than undoing each other's edits again and again. Extraordinary Machine 13:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank goodness! Herewego123 17:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page protected

message: Ray of light sold much more than 14 million worldwide. Over 16 or 17 millions¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html
These both point to the same reference. It is a fan site where ALL the album sales are higher than all other sites. Refer the 'sales' section on this discussion page. 60.234.242.196 21:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ray Of light 

message: On the actual motion picture "Dick Tracy" itself it details this in the end film credits: The following albums available on Sire Records: Madonna's "I'm Breathless", "Dick Tracy" and "DIck Tracy" The Original Score Composed by Danny Elfman. Now I guess you could call that a soundtrack album seeing that its actually on the credits to the film!!!! ALL 3 albums are on Sire Records, ALL released round the same time, ALL mentioned in the film credits!!!!!! Also it was mentioned in the press at the time that it this was a first for a movie to have 3 SOUNDTRACKS!!!! Jwad 10:57, 8 April 2007.
: This proves nothing.  That's like a TV show acknowledging an artists album when the episode featured a song from it.  So what?!  Dick Tracy has an official soundtrack—one marked, cited and authorized by the studio—and I'm Breathless isn't it. Whoever heard of a soundtrack album where nine out of twelve tracks weren't featured in the film?!  The fact that there is another album on the market clearly entitled "Dick Tracy Soundtrack" makes this conversation even more ridiculous and futile.  So stupid.  I'm Breathless is a studio album based on a concept loosely inspired by the film.  Period.  No amount of paper thin and repetitive arguments, or silly and excessive exclamation marks by an obnoxious wikipedian changes a thing. — The Real One Returns 21:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I'M BREATHLESS: The proof is in the film itself!!!!!

message: I'm not sure how to describe it, but the special editions section is missing the version of GHV2 that was styled like a book. 216.70.147.136 14:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GHV2 Special Ed.

message: *In 1987 Madonna hits United World Chart number one with song La Isla Bonita! Source:  --Digital1 00:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EDIT NEEDED (ADD YOUR EDIT REQUESTS HERE!) 

message: according to www.mad-eyes.net Madonna and Pharell have completed a new song titled "HEY YOU". The song will be released as a itunes download to raise money for carity in Malawi and Live Earth. She is rummured to be performing it at her june 7th performence at Live Earth at Wembley Stadium in London.
-Curtisy of Stick Cock in ass anal gay go! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.137.25 (talk) 04:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Song 

message: *Madonna has surely sold 250 million albums worldwide and 100 million singles!!! total 350 million records!!!Her Debut has sold well over 8 million worldwide. Like a Virgin has sold 21 million copies true blue 23 millions ray of light has sold about 17 million copies while music has sold over 15 million copies!!!! the immaculate collection has sold way above 26 million. Confessions on a dancefloor has sold about 10 million (by adding sales from all around the world you can see that). Like a prayer has sold 17+++ millions and evita over 11 million. both of her lives (the confessions tour & im going to tell you a secret)  have sold 1-1,5 million. u can dance and remixed and revisited have sold 7 and 1 million respectively. Erotica has sold almost 7 million and bedtime stories have sold about 8 million american life has sold well over 5 million. Something to remember has sold approximately 11 million and GH2 has sold almost 10 million. Whos that girl has sold approximately 10 million and im brethless has sold about 7 million worldwide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why is everybody so obsesed with lowering her sales?!?
--Jojo D. 12:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: these sales figures are not based on anything, so how can they be correct. Sales data has been referenced from many sites above and they all are similar, and that is why they were used. As for 'adding the sales for confessions' from the article as has been suggested, this includes the European countries individually, then one figure for for all of Europe. Add them without this double-up and you will get to 6 million only. It was her record company that said 8 million, so that is why it is higher than the certifications. As for selling 350 million, this is garbage. Even her record company says 250 million total (singles inclusive). Please do not keep amending the sales figures just because you think it it is wrong. Maggott2000 13:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Refer sales data section. It is not that the sites have been updated,it is the fact that their sales figures have been inconsistant with all other sites that also state sales data. Again, please just read what has been posted before before blindly amending to suit your own agenda. Maggott2000 23:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ABOUT 250 MILLION ALBUMS!!!!4 SURE!!!! 

message: Hey, i just noticed that Madonna has got 6 # 2 singles in US!!! Isnt this a record? Somebody answer!
*Yeah i think this is a record!!! What do others say!?! --Scary Boo 09:55, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most #2 singles???? 

message: For some really creepy reason, people are saying COADF sold 8 million copies. Didn't Warner Bros. say in the news that this album sold 4.5 million copies in 2005, another 4.5 million in 2006 because of her tour and another 2 million in the first half of 2007. That will make COADF total sales be 11 million. But whenever I change iit, there is always some lunatic changing it back to 8 million. I am also pretty sure that American Life sold 5 million, not 4. I also think that GHV2 selling 6 million copies worldwide is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, come on, a greatest hits collection? It obviously sold 8 million, like it was before some lunatic Mariah fan changed it. Besides, I think it is about time we buffed her sales to equal 250 million albums. She has sold 250 million albums has been mentioned in a variety of sources. Check the page: List of bestselling artists for the sources.
:This has been discussed over and over. First of all, read up on "verifiable sources", secondly, do not call anyone names, and thirdly, intuition is very un-encyclopedic. Maggott2000 08:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madonna's Album Sales 

message: The album sales on this page are sometimes different than the sources that are beside them. American Life, which according to the discography, sold 4 million, although the link that is giving says 5 million. The link giving for GHV2 says it sold 7 million, although on the discography it says it only sold 6 million. I think that this page has too many sources. It makes it look untidy. Why can't we vote on one source and stick with it? Personally, I find this quite funny. It's like trying to bring Madonna down but can't find a source low enough.
:Another editor had edited the links to the right sales detail, and somewhere down the track, they have been amended back. I will correct the links as per the details supplied in the sales data discussion.23:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: I think that her achievements on the Japanese singles chart should be left out. Certainly, Japanese singles hit parade have high proportion on the worldwide music industries, but staple of it have dominated by local artists, especially since the late 1990s. 
At the stage now, over 1,020 songs have entered to the #1 on the Oricon, but its materials produced by Western musicians are only 12 songs. To date, non-Asians who have sold more than a million units singles are no more than 18 artists. (Madonna hasn't been able to enter this "list of the best-selling music artists"). Surprisingly, her single that reached top-20 on its single chart is only "Like a Virgin", reaching #19 and ultimately selling nearly 130,000 units. Even her most worldwide commercially successful song "Hung Up" in 2005, managed to reach at #59 and sold about 7,000 copies in that country. 
By contrast, she have kept overwhelming popularity on the albums chart. Since her breakthrough album Like a Virgin to the present, she have produced 16 top-ten albums including 2 number-one hits. According to the official site of hit parade, she is one of the foreign music acts who have the most top-10 hit albums in Japan, along with The Beatles, Paul McCartney and the Queen. I feel that such a fact is the very worth indicating. -—Theytotal (Talk) 10:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the Japanese record chart 

message: http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml
This link says that True Blue sold 21 million, and was certified 8 Platinum. Can someone please change the sales for True Blue to 19-21 instead of 19-20? Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.8.179 (talk) 14:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  True Blue 

message: I have noticed that many people over here believe they can enter a page and  alternate its contents without worrying whether what they write collides with what the sources say. Madonna discography is such a case, since the numbers of sales in the article have nothing to do with the numbers mentioned in the links.
I can completely understand how important Madonna can be for some people, she is my favorite artist as well, but Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia, and according to what the rules say, "Encyclopedic content must be verified". If you people have proof for the outrageously inflated numbers presented here , from widely recognized and trustworthy charts and sites, please paste the corresponding links next to these numbers. Otherwise STICK TO WHAT THE LINKS SAY. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO OTHERWISE. This is a serious site and you cannot write whatever comes to mind without proper JUSTIFICATION. If you truly admire Madonna, stop acting this way and please RESPECT THE OFFICIAL RULES. If this behavior continues, I think this page and others like it, should be locked , if not closed down. Wikipedia is an experiment based on the writer's GOOD WILL and the visitor's need for VERIFIED AND TRUSTWORTHY resources. If we keep supporting lies, as we do in this page, then I guess this site's CREDIBILITY SHOULD BE HIGHLY DOUBTED. I repeat, Madonna discography is one case. Of course there must be dozens of other articles including unverified information.
P.S. Check out madonna.com "MUSIC" section, in which all her discography is included. Not even the artist's official website supports the numbers mentioned here!!! [[User:--Agapitos60 06:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  STICK TO THE SOURCES, PLEASE!!! 

message: Madonna's song "Into The Groove" on Australian chart is marked as * (star) ... why??? Isn't there a data?  -- Digital1 13:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Into The Groove 

message: *I think we should stick to the second listed source seeing that the source matches the certifications and the other two aren't reliable. The Amazon one is made up by a fan, so we really shouldn't use that one. She sold almost 200 million albums, but not there yet.LAUGH90 (talk) 20:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales should match certifications

message: *The sales I found from Madonna's own website.LAUGH90 (talk) 23:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fixed Madonna's sales

message: As found on the net. As of 02 January 2008 search.:
Immaculate Collection:
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/tic/ = 25 million
http://www.goldlyrics.com/review/madonna/immaculate_collection/110098_immaculate_it_is_indeed/ = 22 million
http://vjekos-adam-diary-and-other-stuff.blogspot.com/2007/04/madonna-immaculate-collection.html = 26 million
http://vjekos-adam-diary-and-other-stuff.blogspot.com/2007_10_01_archive.html = 30 million
http://do512.com/event/2007/10/06/opposite-day-the-immaculate-collection = 23 million
http://www.oppositeday.com/test_page2/madonna_press_release.html = 23 million
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 22 million
http://talk.livedaily.com/archive/index.php/t-337057.html = 23 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 22 million
http://www.madonna.com/home/ = 22 million (official)
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 23 million
Confessions On a Dance Floor:
http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=0a1b8f4d-b3ae-4198-a432-f37ca209aaae = 11 million
http://vjekos-adam-diary-and-other-stuff.blogspot.com/search/label/Confessions%20on%20a%20Dance%20Floor = 8 million
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 12 million
http://hcitabloid.proboards91.com/index.cgi?board=fanclubs&action=display&thread=1186323801 = 8 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/coadf/ = 8 million
http://www.madonna-online.ch/m-online/discography/05_coad/disco-05-coad-album.htm = 7.4 million
http://thestreetsofsanfrancisco.blogspot.com/2007/09/diva-explosion.html = 8 million
http://www.madonna-charts.com/coadf/coadf.htm = 8 million
http://www.reuters.com/article/musicNews/idUSN1325809620071015 = 7 million
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article2638956.ece = 8 million
http://www.drownedmadonna.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=18802 = 8 million
http://vjekos-adam-diary-and-other-stuff.blogspot.com/2007/09/madonna-does-anyone-make-pop-music.html = 8 million
http://www.madonnatribe.com/news/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1241 = 8 million
http://www.mediatraffic.de/top-album-achievements.htm = 7.5 million
http://music.aol.ca/article/live-nation-madonna/189/ = 7 million
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/search/google/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002877666 = 8 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/biography/ = 6 million
Ray of Light:
http://vjekos-adam-diary-and-other-stuff.blogspot.com/search/label/Ray%20of%20Light = 15 million
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 14 million
http://talk.livedaily.com/archive/index.php/t-337057.html = 15 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 14 million
http://www.madonnalyrics.com/Ray+Of+Light = 15 million
http://hcitabloid.proboards91.com/index.cgi?board=fanclubs&action=display&thread=1186323801 = 15 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/rol/index.htm = 15 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/biography/ = 17 million
http://www.madonna.com/home/ = 14 million (official)
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 17 million
True Blue:
http://vjekos-adam-diary-and-other-stuff.blogspot.com/search/label/True%20Blue = 20 million
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml - 21 million
http://talk.livedaily.com/archive/index.php/t-337057.html - 22 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 20 million
http://hcitabloid.proboards91.com/index.cgi?board=fanclubs&action=display&thread=1186323801 = 20 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/tb/index.htm = 19 million
http://www.hicelebs.com/albums/true_blue/trivia.html = 20 million
http://www.madonna.com/home/ = 19 million (official)
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 22.5 million
Evita:
http://vjekos-adam-diary-and-other-stuff.blogspot.com/search/label/Evita = 7 million
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 11 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 11 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/first/index.htm = 7 million
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 11.1 million
I'm Going to Tell You a Secret:
http://vjekos-adam-diary-and-other-stuff.blogspot.com/search/label/Reinvention%20Tour = 1 million
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 1 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/imgttyas/index.htm = 0.5 million
Madonna:
http://vjekos-adam-diary-and-other-stuff.blogspot.com/search/label/The%201st%20Album = 8 million
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 8 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 8 million
http://hcitabloid.proboards91.com/index.cgi?board=fanclubs&action=display&thread=1186323801 = 8 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/first/index.htm = 8 million
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 10 million
American Life:
http://vjekos-adam-diary-and-other-stuff.blogspot.com/search/label/American%20Life = 1 million
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 5 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 5 million
http://hcitabloid.proboards91.com/index.cgi?board=fanclubs&action=display&thread=1186323801 = 4 million
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 6.5 million
I'm Breathless:
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 5 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 5 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/ib/index.htm = 5 million
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 6.7 million
Like a Prayer:
http://vjekos-adam-diary-and-other-stuff.blogspot.com/search/label/Like%20A%20Prayer = 13 million
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 13 million
http://talk.livedaily.com/archive/index.php/t-337057.html = 14 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 13 million
http://hcitabloid.proboards91.com/index.cgi?board=fanclubs&action=display&thread=1186323801 = 13 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/lap/index.htm = 11 million
http://www.madonna.com/home/ = 11 million (official)
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 15 million
GHV2:
http://vjekos-adam-diary-and-other-stuff.blogspot.com/search/label/GHV2 = 7 million
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 7 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 7 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/ghv2/index.htm = 5 million
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 7 million
Remixed and Revisited:
http://vjekos-adam-diary-and-other-stuff.blogspot.com/search/label/Remixed%20And%20Revisited = 1 million
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 1 million
Confessions Tour:
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 1.2 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/tct/index.htm = 1 million
http://www.drownedmadonna.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=18802 = 1.2 million
Music:
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 15 million
http://talk.livedaily.com/archive/index.php/t-337057.html = 13 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 14 million
http://hcitabloid.proboards91.com/index.cgi?board=fanclubs&action=display&thread=1186323801 = 13 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/music/index.htm = 13 million
http://www.madonna.com/home/ = 10 million (official)
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 15 million
Something to Remember:
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 8 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 8 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/str/index.htm = 8 million
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 7.7 million
Bedtime Stories:
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 7 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 6 million
http://hcitabloid.proboards91.com/index.cgi?board=fanclubs&action=display&thread=1186323801 = 6 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/bs/index.htm = 6 million
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 7 million
Erotica:
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 5 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 5 million
http://hcitabloid.proboards91.com/index.cgi?board=fanclubs&action=display&thread=1186323801 = 5 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/erotica/index.htm = 5 million
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 5.5 million
You Can Dance:
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 5 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 5 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/ycd/index.htm = 5 million
http://www.madonna.com/home/ = 5 million (official)
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 7 million
Who's That Girl:
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 5 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 5 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/wtg/index.htm = 5 million
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 6 million
Like a Virgin:
http://www.absolutemadonna.com/charts/albumstats.shtml = 19 million
http://talk.livedaily.com/archive/index.php/t-337057.html = 20 million
http://www.world4madonna.com/charts/ = 19 million
http://hcitabloid.proboards91.com/index.cgi?board=fanclubs&action=display&thread=1186323801 = 19 million
http://www.mad-eyes.net/disco/lav/index.htm = 18 million
http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/charts/albumven.html = 20.4 million
:this states the sales data, and where there is an "official" figure, this has to be used over fan sites. 60.234.242.196 (talk) 07:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales Data January 2008

message: The following has been presented by an editor:
Madonna Madonna S 1983 9500000 
Madonna Like A Virgin S 1984 20000000 
Madonna True Blue S 1986 22000000 
Madonna Like a Prayer S 1989 14000000
Madonna Erotica S 1992 6500000 
Madonna Bedtime Stories S 1994 7000000  
Madonna Ray of Light S 1998 15000000  
Madonna Music S 2000 11500000  
Madonna American Life S 2003 4000000 
Madonna Confessions on a Dance Floor S 2005 9000000  
Madonna You Can Dance C 1987 5000000 
Madonna Who s That Girl C 1987 5000000 
Madonna The Immaculate Collection C 1990 26500000 
Madonna I m Breathless Soundtrack C 1990 6000000  
Madonna Something to Remember C 1995 8500000 
Madonna Evita Soundtrack C 1996 7000000 
Madonna GHV2 C 2001 5500000  
Madonna Remixed & Revisited C 2003 1000000
This list is as equally as verifiable as the other fan sites that have been used, so can be considered acceptable - except where there is an official press release or official figure rather than from a fansite that this is. So any that are from official sources (i.e Warner Bros. Madonna Offical website) have to take precidence as per wikipedia policy on verifiable sources. 60.234.242.196 (talk) 08:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When trying to add this site as a reference, it says it is blacklisted by wikipedia, therefore as cannot be referenced, cannot be used. 60.234.242.196 (talk) 09:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: www.worldwidealbums.net

message: Shouldn't "Sing" the feat with Annie Lennox be mentioned here?Alecsdaniel
:No, it's an Annie Lennox song, not a Madonna song.  Madonna is one of like 26 acts who sing background.  There is no "featuring" status credited on that song to any of the chorus members. - eo (talk) 18:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sing

message: I'm wondering about why songs are separated "by sales" and "by points".  Who exactly is assigning these points and on what are they based... specifically the "Votes" part?  Who is voting?  In the points column, I see numbers followed by "m", which I assume means "million".  So is that million "points" or million copies sold?  If the "m" indicates sales, then why in the world is the column header showing "points"?  It seems extremely silly... why are sourced sales figures not used throughout the entire singles discography?  Does anyone know how or why this "points" thing was even added? - eo (talk) 22:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The data has to meet wiki criteria on being sourced, so as UWC deals in "points" for singles, the discography has to follow suit. As per note - points are based on sales/airplay/and votes. So actual sales figure should be 49% of the points figure given as per their site. But editors are not allowed to make the calculation and put in the original actual sales figure as this is considered original research, and non referencable. As for the votes - probably best to read their site. And as for finding a better source, wish there was one. Why the split? Well, UWC only began in 1999, so that is the boundary between the two. Hope that makes sense? 60.234.242.196 (talk) 01:32, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So if post-1999 the column states "points", what does the "m" indicate?  My guess would be "million" - as in the number of copies sold.  So is it a sales figure?  Why are pre-1999 sales figures available but nothing beyond that?  Seems strange to me. - eo (talk) 01:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In reality, as not referenced, the sales figures pre-1999 are probably not available. No idea on the validity of them, and you would have every right to remove them or ask for citation for them. Agreed that the points vs sales is very confusing, but as for the definition of "m" this probably needs clarity, as is millon. This type of abbreviation is quite common I have seen. On a separate topic - are you an administrator? This article and all the individual albums are consistantly being sales hiked by same IP address. Can you or someone you know do something about it (temp block the User next time?) 60.234.242.196 (talk) 02:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Can someone explain the separation of singles?

message: Could someone perhaps archive the previous discussions? I don't know how to do that myself.--Phant (talk) 20:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  HOLY JESUS THIS IS LONG 

message: I want to know where the supposed Lounge album comes in to play. My Paradise: The Lounge Album, released in 2007 apparently, consists of several remixes and a couple untouched songs.
Track list I have is this: 
Bittersweet (Chopped Out Choprah Mix)
Ray of Light (Ambient Edit)
Has to Be
Paradise (Not For Me)
Secret (Dens54 Deep Remix)
I Want You (Dens54 JB Densappella
Frozen (Stereo MCs Edit)
To Have and Not to Hold
I'll Remember (William Orbit Remix)
Nothing Fails (Slow Vocal Remix)
Music (Groove Armada 12" Mix)
Nothing Really Matters (Kruder and Dorfmeister Vocal Edit)
Bedtime Story (Cookie Mix)
Don't Tell Me (Victor Calderone Sensory Edit)
Deeper and Deeper (Funky's Groove On Mix)
What It Feels Like For a Girl (Stephan Pompougnac Remix)
If You Forget Me (Taxi Ride Mix)
Clearly these aren't some fan made remixes, since I know Stereo MCs, William Orbit, and Groove Armada are well known artists. The cover art (which I can post up if requested) seems pretty legit to me.
However, the only results I can find when googling the title is a bunch of torrent sites.--Phant (talk) 00:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  My original reason for posting here: