Talk:Nikola Jurišić

message: Under "possible truth," someone included their own silly and unsubstantiated theory that Suleiman wanted any possible reason to avoid an attack on Austria.  In fact, he was planning another one, but Jurisic's stand held him up and gave the Hapsburgs time to prepare their forces.  Only after that did Suleiman abandon his planned second attack on Vienna, since he needed to catch the Austrians unprepared for his plan to succeed.  The Siege of Vienna had left him unwilling to fight a prepared Vienna.  So really, whoever wrote this is using a half-truth to support pure nonsense.  I am deleting this "theory," which is that of one ignorant person with no apparent perception of time and space.  Whoever added this sloppy "possible" scenario either had a nationalistic agenda of some sort or was just stupid.Shield2 09:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stupid speculation

message: Thank you for deleting my "stupid" theory. Also thank you for the several facts, why it should be "stupid". Everyone now can see the only "absolute truth" is from you.
As for me, I am Hungarian, but I am not nationalist. I do not believe, that the turks would have been inferior, or the Hungarians or Croatians superior. As for some facts:
1. The castle of Köszeg is very small, its defences are nothing spectacular. (I have been there personally.)
2. The turkish army at that time one of the technically most developed army, having excellent expertise in mining the enemy walls. (That happended also at Köszeg).
3. In 1529 the sultan tried to capture Vienna, no success. The Habsburgs wouldn't have been risked an new siege unprepared, therefore ther have been 80.000 troops already waiting for the turks, Jurisich was expected also to join the main christian army.
4. The turkish army marched fort from it's base already in March 1532. Everyone knew it's purposed target: Vienna. Till mid August (an estimated time of arrival to Vienna), there are enough time left to prepare the defences and raise an army.
5. No can believe, that an turkish army, which nearly captured Vienna in 1529, captured Belgrad (Nándorfehévár) in 1521, and several forts, castles significantly stronger than Köszeg can not take a small castle as gift for it's comming emperor (The sultan arrived only 11 day after the beginning of the siege).
6. The sultan was obliged to fight a war, for which he was not prepared. He looked for reasons whay not to reach Vienna, but not break it's obligation to the french king.
I personnally believes, and I am not alone with this opinion, that Jusisch, Forintos Mátyás and the other Hungarians, Croatian, civil Germans who have fought there, are real heros, but as Drégely felt with it's heroic captain, Szondi, in three days, Köszeg should have been fallen too. It is simply a matter of question of strength and weakness. However everyone can fall as a hero undoubtlessly! Köszeg has been spared to spare the turkish army from a potetially big defeat from well prepared christian forces. Köszeg and it's defenders were very brave, but they have not had any chance. Victory or defeat was decided in this in politics. By Ákos  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.108.16.126 (talk) 12:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to the "expert" opinion of "Professor" Shield