Talk:Barry George

message: It seems very ungracious to characterise Barry George in the very first line as a British criminal. We don't describe Princess Anne as "a British Criminal" because she was once convicted under the Dangerous Dogs Act, or Cheryl Cole because she was convicted of assulting a nighclub employee.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.241.199.124 (talk) 17:11, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calling him "a criminal" in the first line 

message: I hope this guy isn't in a regular prison.
: nope Whitemoor (HM Prison) Hakluyt bean 20:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imprisonment 

message: "... which made him an easy target for a police force that was desperate to pin Jill Dando's murder on to somebody. "
This is not exactly a neutral pov. 81.130.114.232 10:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PoV 

message: I always found it strange that although he had been reported to have changed his name by deed poll to Barry Bulsara, he was always still referred to as Barry George. If someone changes their name by deed poll, the new name is their legal name. Was this name change later found to be 'unofficial'? Just wondered - the name change isn't really mentioned in the article.--Michig (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting point. Given that the party to the court proceedings has always been "George" rather than "Bulsara" we can probably infer that there was no deed poll, and this was misreported. LeContexte (talk) 13:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

text: FYI "Barry Bulsara" redirects here. just in case anyone searches on that name. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 15:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Real" name 

message: George was convicted of attempted rape in 1982. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1407284.stm) IMO, this is relevant to the article but chronologically it should go into "eccentric" behaviour. Any thoughts on a better section title? Robertcornell68 (talk) 17:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Attempted rape

message: It is hard to see how attempted rape can be called "eccentric". Most people would consider it a crime of the utmost gravity.--Oxonian2006 (talk) 12:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Eccentric behaviour?

message: Removing 'previous history' from a heading is a perfectly valid change. The first word is slang for 'previous convictions' and a synonym for 'form'. Given George's acquittal in the retrial the new heading - "Earlier contact with the legal system" - is more neutral and conveys a better tone. Philip Cross (talk) 10:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Previous'

message: Another version has it that George faked a Police card out of parts of the letter he received from the Police. It would be easier to do that than to obtain false warrant cards.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.139.189.240 (talk) 12:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is a reliable source to back this up, include it. Jim Michael (talk) 03:08, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that it is in Brian Cathcart's "Jill Dando - Her Life and Death".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 13:52, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another version 

message: George was almost certainly placing false whereabouts of where he was at the night of Dandos death, and in fact I have observed that the only one reason why George was not given a sentence in court is sadly that so-called family of his bailed him out, because as long as you have enough money in this country you can get out, they got him an expensive lawyer, who let him out, despite the fact fibres from Dando were found on his body. The media was wrong and george is guilty as hell, asperger syndrome or no asperger syndrome. At least say it is suspected he killed Jill Dando, because that's what the evidence points to.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pieces123 (talk • contribs) 21:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great information! Please add it to the article. Please make sure you site appropriate sources. Stroller (talk) 19:45, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Cite good sources and I'm sure there will be no problem with the info you add. Stroller (talk) 20:03, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The evidence against George

message: I added a link to a BBC video which states that George has narcissistic personality disorder. The BBC is a reliable source. As the video was made after George's conviction for murder, but before said conviction was quashed, it refers to him as having murdered Dando. George's murder conviction was unsafe and was rightly quashed, so he is no longer considered a murderer. However, his NPD diagnosis has not been set aside. His conviction was not because he was judged to have NPD. No-one claims that because someone has NPD, they are a murderer - most people with NPD are not violent. However, the condition is certainly relevant to his life. I have not seen anything that says he does not have NPD, so what is the case for not stating that he does when it is backed by a reliable source? It would also be helpful to know which other personality disorders he has, but I have not been able to find reliable sources that specify them. Jim Michael (talk) 16:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: i remember this being referred to in the cutting edge program.  That particular psychiatrist was called as a witness in the prosecution case but as you know, the prosecution case was eventually overturned. That psychiatrist claimed that George had an unlikely mix of about 6 different mental disorders including various personality disorders and autism. The view of a single psychiatrist (especially when used to support a failed conviction) is far from conclusive. Take the case of Breivik, large committees of psychiatrists are squabbling amongst themselves and cant even agree whether Beivik has schizophrenia or a personality disorder - there is a very basic distinction between the two.--Penbat (talk) 17:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This article says he has Asperger syndrome Barry George is a man on the edge. What are you saying is unlikely about the mix of mental disorders he has? His narcissistic and autistic traits are readily noticeable, even though he is far from typical for a narcissist or autistic person. It is unusual for a narcissist to be overweight, uneducated and disorganised - but he has an IQ of 75, so he is incapable of being sophisticated. It is not rare for a person to have two or more concurrent PDs, and George's offending indicates he has features of antisocial personality disorder, even if he does not have enough points to be diagnosed with ASPD. Jim Michael (talk) 22:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mental disorder]]s 

message: The reference to the pseudonym of Barry Bulsara is rather orphaned in the Lead. There is no mention in article proper, even in the section noting other pseudonyms, and the citation does no more than mention it in the same passing way.  I'm not sure that he was really "known as" BB, but rather called himself that.  There are however many citeable sources concerning this name, the significance of "Bulsara" and how BG used it.  I will leave it to existing editors to consider this, in the light of BLP considerations.
The article is included in categories "Prisoners and detainees of England and Wales" and "English prisoners and detainees".  Are these not meant to cover those currently in prison/detention?  Nothing in the article suggests that this applies to BG. Davidships (talk) 18:37, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name - and Categories 

message: It doesn't say how long his sentence was, when he was convicted of murder. Valetude (talk) 12:28, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentenced to what? 

message: Anything on his activities since then, apart from his attempted claim? Valetude (talk) 15:52, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life after acquittal 

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