Talk:Timeline of Zionism

message: [edit: My apologies for any emotionally charged language. Thank you for your hard work everyone! I believe the points here still stand but I realize I need to be more polite in the future.] Where did the information come from regarding Laurence Oliphant wanting to put Palestinians on reservations? Why is there no source? As far as I can tell this is total bs and I've read every bit of his writing I can get my hands on. Let me quote my cousin Laurence on the matter: 
"The Jews themselves have borne repeated testi- 
mony to the fact that, so far as they are concerned, 
Christian fanaticism in Eastern Europe is far more 
bitter than Moslem" (https://archive.org/stream/landofgileadwith00oliprich/landofgileadwith00oliprich_djvu.txt)
Furthermore he was petitioning the Ottoman Empire to allow Jews to immigrate. Why on earth would he possibly believe they would put Muslim locals in reservations so that foreign Jews could move in? This is incredibly insane and without a source I'm honestly shocked it was allowed here. Just think about how insane that is for a minute. "I'm going to petition a Muslim government that is overtly hostile to European colonization to put local Muslim inhabitants in reservation camps so that Europeans can colonize." Pardon my French, but WTF!?
Also, in regards to the total bs about "warlike bedouins", here is what Laurence says in the same source listed above.
"Now, however, we were 
getting into country rarely visited by any traveller, 
in regard to which there were the usual exaggerated 
stories of marauding Bedouins, of the necessity of 
an escort, and so forth. Fortunately, we had no 
dragoman to invent impossible dangers for the pur- 
pose of sharing the black-mail..."
This garbage about Laurence wanting to put Palestinians on reservations should be removed immediately unless a source is provided which I very much doubt is possible.
Taylor Oliphant (talk) 08:20, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laurence Oliphant's info is VERY inaccurate and unsourced 

message: I am not very well versed in this subject, but it seems to me that generally movements start long before assosciations are formed to represent them.  There must be some events before the society was created.
:Interesting that there's been no response to the (above) cogent observation over the last two years.  In fact Zionism existed for thousands of years prior to the first entry on this timeline.  However, the article does state that it is only meant to cover the "Timeline of Zionism in the MODERN era."  I would suggest that the modern era starts with the Enlightenment, Emancipation, rise of Nationalism and liberation movements of which that of the Jews was merely one.
:Since this article is intended to only cover the "Modern Era," the article should be titled Timeline of Zionism in the Modern Era.  Doright 19:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: added the assassination of Folke Bernadotte. The Zionist leadership condemned this act by a fringe group, so it would be wrong to say that it representated mainstream Zionism. It's covered in articles dedicated to history of the conflict, but doesn't belong in the Timeline of Zionism. I removed it. ←Humus sapiens ну? 08:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bernadotte 

message: If you read my sentence about Count Bernadotte, you can notice that I said that a "Zionist terrorist group assassined the UN mediator".
This sentence does not imply that ALL the mainstream Zionist leadership is composed of terrorists.
It only says that a terrorist group (that might not represent the mainstream) has assassined Bernadotte ... and that's a fact.
You might want to hide it, in order to embellish the image of the Zionist movement. That's your own choice. But this is definitely a non-professional behavior.
Rgrds,
F.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fares S (talk • contribs) .
:Should this be in the article at all? I do not assume bad faith, but the article cites a specific source which says nothing at all on the issue. I vote to finding sources for information on such sensetive matters. --Chodorkovskiy (talk) 09:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dear Chodorkovskiy: For all references, I would invite you to visite the Wikipedia article "Folke Bernadotte" where you will see that the Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir (A Zionist) was part of the terrorist group. This is what our biased contributor was trying to hide ... Fares S 10:43, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He was in Lehi about 50 before he became prime minister, nobody is trying to hide anything, we just don't want to poison the well.  Also not even Islamic Jihad's article describes them as terrorist, it's just too controversial a term.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 21:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Fares S, I would like to remind you that Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and that each article should point to outside sources. Otherwise, it becomes original research. --Chodorkovskiy (talk) 05:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Answer about Bernadotte 

message: I find the current section quite lacking in major historic events.  A general idea of the timeline of Zionism in this current era should have the Six Day War and the captured land. This condition should also include the Land of Israel with both the religious and political usages of that term. 
Another high point should be the 1977 Election, which brought Menachem Begin and Likud to power; this item currently claims to be important, but seems little discussed or documented.  To this, the Jerusalem Law, the Golan Heights Law and Israeli settlements should probably be added, as Zionist advances, but NPOV would require including what others think.  This reference, particularly the section entitled The territorial-political axis: Eretz Israel versus Medinat Israel, starting on page 8, might be of assistance in piecing this together.  
More items should be included, but this would require involvement of more editors.  CasualObserver'48 (talk) 07:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
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message: The subsection "1851" says that it relates Disraeli's "proto-zionist views." What follows is a quote nested inside of another quote, and in neither case does it indicate who the speaker is. I went to the source material and, since all the names are abbreviated, I couldn't decipher it whatsoever. It also contains several different pronouns without any antecedents or indication of who is being referred to.
I don't think there's a chance that anyone reading that tangled quote-within-a-quote would walk away able to tell you what "Disraeli's views" were. Is anyone able to decipher the source material and replace it with something actually informative? 2600:1700:37B0:7C60:F401:1B7A:8EE1:FB5 (talk) 22:07, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  1851 - Disraeli