Talk:Polski Fiat 125p

message: OK, so I am basically now going through the Polish site and trying to put down whatever information I find out in English. I am afraid I am doing more of a translation/essay writing than real encyclopedic work - I am counting on you (other, native English speaking editors) to edit that, taking out whatever minor tidbits we can live without. I believe dumping 100% of the Polish site's content, even if that's not a direct translation, might not be too fair towards the author of that site.
Sidenote: I know this sounds stupid, but dabbling into this evoked much more memories and emotions than I thought it would, both good and bad (and I guess I am not really serious about the former). I think I would like to take some breaks in between doing that to shake them off, so please excuse me fro slowing the pace. Bravada, talk - 21:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modus operandi 

message: :This section has been moved from where originally posted
Whoah! I'm slightly horrified by that. Looking at the "Did you know?" page, it mentions that the car was known for it's "accelerated rate of rusting" – hardly a very well-referenced clearly-factual point from the article, and one that probably doesn't shed the best or most encyclopædic light on the article! Oh well, too late now. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 18:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Never too late with wiki. -- Samir   धर्म 19:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sadly it is, in the sense that some people will have seen it! But there is indeed always time to make it better for next time... – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 19:21, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was only up for 19 minutes, and it should be removed from the article if truly incorrect -- Samir   धर्म 20:06, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was kinda my point. But the article is brand new and still being prepared. Whilst the cars may very well have rusted, it's a shame it was the fact which was chosen to be highlighted! But we'll get there soon enough with the article! :) – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 20:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough.  If it's referenced it can be re-included -- Samir   धर्म 20:17, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a final thing: I don't want to seem unfriendly! Thanks, Samir, for noticing the article. :) – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 20:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Did you know" inclusion

message: OK now I have a moment to try to catch up with yesterday's happenings. First and foremost, thanks Piotr for suggesting this article to DYK and mentioning me as author. Actually, I don't think I should have been credited with creating this article, as what I did was merely carve out the section of the Fiat 125 article and put it an article in its own right - though, AFAIK, I actually DID write the sentence that eventually landed in the front page, as the section had no lead section.
Cordial thanks Kieran for keeping an eye on the goings-on and helping remedy the situation on the spot!
What has happened is, I think, pretty unfortunate. The article is certainly still Work-in-Progress and not anything we'd like casual viewers to see as an example of Wikipedia. A totally unsourced and rather unfounded statement (actually, most Italian Fiats, Lancias and Alfas, and also many other cars of that era rusted badly) was placed on the front page - fortunately for a short time only - distorting the view of the subject and perhaps also undermining the image of Wikipedia as a reliable information source.
By hastily replacing the questionable statement, a rather strange and stiff "DYK" was created, which did not showcase any unique quality of the subject which would really draw the attention of readers, which could create the impression that there is really nothing more interesting about it and not much more interesting in Wikipedia itself, perhaps. I guess this could make for a much more interesting DYK:
* ...that Polski Fiat 125p, despite similar appearance, was technically very different from Fiat 125
Moreover, probably a rather large number of viewers were attracted to this incomplete article, viewing it in rather miserable form, which can also either distort their view of the subject or compromise WP's reputation. A number of editors contributed to the article in the current form, and their work might be lost during impending refurbishments, which will be a pity. Moreover, a chance for the article to be showcased on the front page, which would certainly be great for when it is be completed, was lost.
On the other hand, a recently finished and polished article on another automobile, the Talbot Tagora, went unnoticed, while I guess it would be a much better example of Wikipedia work to showcase. I think this all is an example for some systematic failures in the DYK process, and I hope this will serve to further enhance it. Regards, Bravada, talk - 12:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a kerfuffle! 

message: Is Polski Fiat 126p worthy of mentioning in this article? Circeus 21:21, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At the very least as see also, but I think we should fit it into main body, too :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus  talk  03:09, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I think the "See also" is enough – there are already articles on FSO itself and Polski Fiat, which are the best places to link out to both the 125p and 126p. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 23:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  related?