Talk:Viagogo

message: Podrían editar y poner en esta página de Wikipedia, que Viagogo es una empresa que estafa a las personas. 
Este tipo de empresas arruinan internet, y arruinan Wikipedia.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AB88:C91:A900:285E:CD18:5C44:79B9 (talk) 19:03, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

message: Hello, I have a conflict of interest with Viagogo and I was hoping to have some updates made to the page. Could an unbiased editor please review the requests and consider adding suitable versions to the related sections? Thank you kindly, Alex.SHVGG (talk) 03:00, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Partly done:  I implemented most of this, with my own edits, except for the first Partnerships request, as it was wholly sourced from their own website. Thank you. PK650 (talk) 06:23, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request - Viagogo facts and context 

message: Could the new parent company president be added to the page, and also added to the inbox? Thank you! Alex.SHVGG (talk) 02:41, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now:  Not sure if this change is perhaps best left for the StubHub article only? PK650 (talk) 04:32, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request - new StubHub Holdings president 

message: Hello. I have a lot of updates I feel would massively improve the page, but I don't feel comfortable adding them myself because of a potential conflict of interest. That said, I always edit as neutrally as I can, and I've tried to align all the requests with the Manual of Style and good sourcing, so hopefully a quick glance at the support refs and some editorial oversight for the prose, and the requests won't seem too onerous.
I also tried to make them bite-sized, since of course no individual editor is required to get to all of them. I would parse them out into stages, but meh. Figured maybe someone might prefer the bigger batch :)
Either way, thank you for any help! (and thank you  for kindly taking a look at some of my requests last time)
===Request #1: New sections===
*Could a "See also" section be added? The links all mention Viagogo but aren't elsewhere on the Viagogo page yet. Thank you!
 
*Could we add an external links section please? 
 
 
===Request #2: Switch from company to brand===
*After Viagogo purchased Stubhub, Viagogo became a brand of the newly formed company StubHub Holdings. Could the current company infobox be replaced with a brand infobox to reflect the change? 
 
*Also, could the first sentence be modified to explain the organization is now a brand, that it is branded lowercase, and also that it is no longer based in London? I would recommend: 
===Request #3: Combining and renaming sections===
*Could Business and partnerships be renamed  to encapsulate sales strategy, shipping, sponsorships, and pricing all at once?
*Due to their small size and topical overlap, could the "Drip pricing" and "High pressure sales tactics" sections be combined into ?
*Could  and  be moved under "Operations" instead of "Criticism"? While these sections do contain criticism, the company also has its own defenses and POV about sales tactics and pricing, arguably making "criticism" both an inaccurate parent section and a violation of WP:CSECTION. 
===Request #4: "Legislation" section changes===
There are only two details in the "Legislation" section, and the second item is less about legislation and more about general politics. I'm guessing that an expanded section would focus less on Viagogo and more on the industry at large. Instead of that, could the section heading just be removed and the items moved elsewhere? 
*I would recommend moving this detail to "History", and for context, adding year () and  to the end of the sentence: 
*For this sentence, I would recommend it move to the "Criticism and legal action against Viagogo" section, as it is one part of a larger saga with CMA and the MPs covered in that section already:  
Could it also be tweaked to better reflect the sources and be less of a run-on sentence?
 
===Request #5: Deletions===
Over the years, it appears some items have been added that are trivial, essentially redundant, or more focused on regional industries than Viagogo itself. Consider these items for deletion, or greatly reword or tag for poor sourcing?
*Could this ticket fraud research in "History" be removed for not focusing on Viagogo? 
 
*Could these details on just StubHub be deleted from the "History" coverage of the 2019 merger? 
*Concerning the  mention in the "Legal action" section, the referenced BBC article does not actually clarify Viagogo and the Arctic Monkeys having a dispute, just Viagogo and Sheeran. Could the Arctic Monkeys be deleted to reflect the source?
*Concerning the Israeli lawsuit in "Legal action", I can't find any better sources about this, so request removal of 
*Concerning the Munich court case listed in "Legal action", I failed to find better sources that weren't simply legal documents online, and would request it be removed: 
*Concerning the September 2017 Swiss Government case listed "Legal action". As with the Munich case, I failed to find better articles to show the case received reputable press coverage: 
*Could the passage on this purchase test in the "High pressure sales tactics" section be removed? While the Gotenberg article appears generally fine as a footnote, this detail only rehashes points better explained elsewhere: 
===Request #6: Updating "Operations" section===
Much of the content in the "Operations" section is outdated or would make more sense in the "History" section.
*Could the first sentence replace  with </code> to reflect that it's no longer an independent company? 
*Could the ESPN detail have  removed, with the sentence then moved into "History"?
*Could the last paragraph on festivals in "Operations" be moved into "History" for being outdated? Also,  isn't backed by the source provided, could that be deleted?
*In the "Business and partnerships" section, consider shortening  to just  as the types of sports tickets currently sold is now more expansive.
*Could this now outdated content:  be moved into the "History" section, and also reworded and sourced?
 
===Request #7: Combining lead paragraphs===
Could the first two paragraphs in the lead be updated to reflect the merger, and also streamlined and combined? Sans the first sentence, it might read more easily like this (no new refs added except SBJ at very end):
 
===Request #8: CSECTION===
The page currently has a criticism section, which runs against the advice in WP:CSECTION. Also, the "legal actions against Viagogo" title doesn't encapsulate the lawsuits Viagogo which filed against other entities. Could the section be renamed the broader "Legal action," and the details that could be better classified as just criticism be moved to other sections?
*I would request moving these items (I haven't changed wording from live page) to the "Pricing and sales tactics" section please:
 
*I would recommend moving these to "History" (again, not modified from live page):
 
 
 
 
 
 
*Could the issuance in Japan be rewritten to:
 
*The Trustpilot sentence seems to cherrypick the less relevant details from the associated Guardian article. Could it be changed to actually cover what the article is about (the glitch and refund issue)? So from  to perhaps:
===Request #9: "Legal and government actions" table===
This list presents several problems. It's chronologically backwards, it repeats content from its parent section, and most of the items have never been followed up on. Below, I've expanded the items into prose per WP:PROSE (excluding the Japan consumer affairs item, the Az. 33 court case, and the Swiss government case per earlier requests to move or remove). Could the list be expanded accordingly? Afterwards, could you kindly consider the sense behind:
*Removing the table
*Re-ordering items chronologically
*Blending items chronologically into the parent section
 
===Request #10: "UK government" section===
Much of the "Legal action" section is bloated with content related to a few UK investigations, and the material is extremely redundant and overly wordy. To start to make sense of the mess, could all British content be moved into a new  subsection of "Legal action?"  Here's a cheat sheet for content from throughout the page that fits the bill, in chronological order:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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: This request is way too complicated to answer, so I have removed it from the queue. It should be split into separate parts. Quetstar (talk) 00:29, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request - Viagogo updates

message: Much of the "Legal action" section is bloated with content related to a few UK investigations, and the material is extremely redundant and overly wordy. To start to make sense of the mess, could all British content be moved into a new  subsection of "Legal action?"  Here's a cheat sheet for content from throughout the page that fits the bill, in chronological order:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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: This request is way too complicated to answer, so I have removed it from the queue. It should be split into separate parts. Quetstar (talk) 00:29, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Request #10: "UK government" section

message: Reopening request, after larger version was closed by another Wikipedian who felt it was too complex. It is still a relatively large request, but several of the items are interdependent and I just feel submitting them individually wouldn't work. I have combined several of them for sake of clarity. If someone has time for such a large request, much appreciated. (Pinging  who was kind enough to help prior.). Alex.SHVGG (talk) 04:50, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Done  PK650 (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request - Viagogo updates on Sept 22, 2022

message: Over the years, it appears some items have been added that are trivial, essentially redundant, or more focused on regional industries than Viagogo itself. Consider these items for deletion, or greatly reword or tag for poor sourcing? Thanks! Alex.SHVGG (talk) 23:44, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletions

message: ==="Pricing and sales tactics" copyediting and update===
*In the pricing section, could this Göteborgs-Posten-backed passage:  be expanded into: 
*Also, concerning this sentence:  Could that be copyedited as well, to better blend with the prior sentence? Perhaps to: 
*Could this detail  possibly be expanded to the following to include multiple perspectives for NPOV (i.e. keep the old perspectives, but explain the company's stance in the process)? The extended version also mentions "and other sales practices" to show the footnotes mention more than just the markups: 
 
*Would it be possible to add this new detail to the end of the section (to  followup in the UK)? 
==="Operations" content to add or update===
Much of the content in the "Operations" section is outdated or would make more sense in the "History" section.
*Could the first sentence replace  with </code> to reflect that Viagogo is no longer an independent company? 
*The second and third sentence use the Viagogo home website, which I gather is suboptimal. If you think it would help, could those two sentences be replaced with this newspaper-backed version? I think it paints a broader more specific picture anyways of how Viagogo's operations work and the most relevant services available: 
*In the sports properties sentence in the second paragraph, please consider shortening  to just , as the types of sports tickets currently sold by Viagogo are now far more expansive.
 
*Could this now outdated content (since the law changed):  be moved into the "History" section, and also reworded and sourced, as follows? 
*Could the ESPN detail have  removed for sounding promotional, with the sentence then moved into "History" since its a decade old? 
*Could the last paragraph on festivals in "Operations" be moved into "History" for being outdated? Also,  isn't backed by the source provided, could that be deleted?
==="History" changes===
*Consider broadening the Mumford and Sons detail to: 
*Can this rambling sentence:  be trimmed to 
*Could this fragment in history:  be expanded to: 
*Could these few sentences:  be streamlined and better sourced: 
Thank you! I'm sorry if these requests were onerously granular, but I'm somewhat hoping that by doing them item by item like this, it might be more readily apparent that I'm trying very hard to avoid weasel-wording or other manipulations of the source material. Alex.SHVGG (talk) 20:27, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Partly done:  Hi. I have a few notes for what I didn't implement: a) the "at the time of the CMA order" clarification was pertinent, but I still thought the paragraph deserved to stay; b) I'm not satisfied with your amendment to "Viagogo offers some tickets at face value", perhaps there may be a better rewording for this; c) same with the "Charging a fee to buyers and to sellers" bit, especially considering you're attempting to quote the viagogo website. Happy thanksgiving! PK650 (talk) 07:37, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Viagogo requests Nov 22 2022

message: *Consider broadening the Mumford and Sons detail to: 
*Can this rambling sentence:  be trimmed to 
*Could this fragment in history:  be expanded to: 
*Could these few sentences:  be streamlined and better sourced: 
Thank you! I'm sorry if these requests were onerously granular, but I'm somewhat hoping that by doing them item by item like this, it might be more readily apparent that I'm trying very hard to avoid weasel-wording or other manipulations of the source material. Alex.SHVGG (talk) 20:27, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Partly done:  Hi. I have a few notes for what I didn't implement: a) the "at the time of the CMA order" clarification was pertinent, but I still thought the paragraph deserved to stay; b) I'm not satisfied with your amendment to "Viagogo offers some tickets at face value", perhaps there may be a better rewording for this; c) same with the "Charging a fee to buyers and to sellers" bit, especially considering you're attempting to quote the viagogo website. Happy thanksgiving! PK650 (talk) 07:37, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: "History" changes

message: *The detail about hooliganism is about Britain at large, not how the law impacts Viagogo, so cut "with the purpose of preventing hooliganism" as cruft, perhaps?
 
*Could the following paragraph in history:
 
Perhaps be modified and updated to:
 
*Could "Manchester United ended its commercial agreement with Viagogo in 2011" perhaps be expanded into:   Also, can that 2011 Manchester detail be moved to end of the next paragraph, directly after "legally resold in the United Kingdom"?
:Go ahead and make the proposed changes above my reply, but please format the cited sources properly. Your proposal includes bare links, which is a now obsolete citation style. See WP:CITEHOW for more information. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 07:28, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: "History" modifications

message: The history section is currently much smaller than the legal section, which seems to be mostly a reflection of missing major events. I've worked to collect items that seemed of particular note. Consider adding to the page as a starting to point for filling in the blanks, or at least a springboard for new history content?
 With seed funding from American investors,https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/jun/26/eric-baker-viagogo-interview by 2006 Viagogo was backed by venture capital investment firm Index Ventures as well as Brent Hoberman and Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild.https://techcrunch.com/2006/08/30/viagogo-are-open-and-touting-for-your-business/
 Officially debuting in the United Kingdom on August 18, 2006 as an online ticket exchange designed to bypass physical ticket resale,https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/online-ticket-exchange-to-viagogo-in-europe-1351310/ Viagogo stated it offered users more protection than competitors such as eBay by guaranteeing refunds for tickets that were fake or didn't arrive.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6503401.stm
 In August 2007, Viagogo branched into Germany with an official partnership with Bayern Munich.https://www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/sport/fussball/ticket-schwarzmarkt-fussballclubs-bereiten-sammelklage-gegen-reiseunternehmer-vor-a-470426.html?_x_tr_sl=hu&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
 With Baker as CEO,https://www.ft.com/content/da3690a4-1d31-11dd-82ae-000077b07658 Viagogo raised £30 million in August 2007 from investors including Brent Hoberman, Bernard Arnault, Jacob Rothschild,https://www.ft.com/content/818b22a4-6476-11dc-90ea-0000779fd2ac and Index Ventures. Viagogo had local sites in Germany, Holland, and Hammersmith, London by 2008. Viagogo by that January had traded £50 million in tickets overall and signed exclusive deals with Warner Music and James Blunt.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/2782440/Eric-Baker-Respectable-face-of-ticket-touting.html 
 In May 2008, Live Nation hired Viagogo as its official secondary ticket partner in Europe for Madonna's Sticky & Sweet tour, with Viagogo also handling the tour's VIP packages and premium tickets. Baker described it as the first time a major artist had endorsed secondary ticketing.https://www.ft.com/content/da3690a4-1d31-11dd-82ae-000077b07658 
 Also in 2008, the French Tennis Federation appointed Viagogo the official ticket marketplace of the French Open.https://www.cnbc.com/2009/04/27/french-open-goes-secondary-ticketing-route.html 
 Baker stated the company sold $100 million in tickets in 2008 overall, with the company making 25% of that.  By June 2009, new investors included Andre Agassi, bringing total funds raised to $70 million. By 2009, Viagogo was also an official resale partner of Michael Jackson, Lloyd-Webber's Really Useful Group,https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/jun/26/eric-baker-viagogo-interview and the ATP World Tour Finals.https://www.thesportreview.com/article/viagogo-extends-ticket-partnership-with-atp-world-tour-finals/
 In 2009, the company's estimated value was $300 million.https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/23/what-we-know-about-ticket-reseller-viagogo
 The company liquidated its UK assets in 2012 and moved its headquarters to Switzerland. The change, which occurred directly before the London Olympic Games, meant Viagogo "was no longer subject to UK laws banning resale of tickets for Olympic events."https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/jul/08/uefa-takes-action-against-viagogo-over-illegal-euro-2016-ticket-sales
 Also in 2012, Madonna named Viagogo the "official premium and secondary ticketing partner" for her summer European tour.https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/madonna-sets-2012-world-tour-dates-506312/ By then Viagogo had also officially partnered with the promoters of musicians such as Rihanna, Coldplay, Westlife, and Take That.https://www.ft.com/content/866018f4-5e34-11e1-8c87-00144feabdc0
 Between 2013 and 2015 it also partnered with the Sydney Swans and Sydney Roosters.https://www.themusicnetwork.com/news/exclusive-soundwave-partners-with-ticket-marketplace-viagogo
 In October 2013, Viagogo announced a three-year deal with Scottish Rugby, in what was the first time Viagogo had partnered with a governing sports body, and its first deal including naming rights to a sports property.https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/viagogo_strikes_groundbreaking_scottish_rugby_deal/ 
 In December 2013, Viagogo entered Portugal with a partnership with the soccer club FC Porto. At the time, Viagogo operated across 50 countries and had deals with 30 European soccer clubs,https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/viagogo_enters_portugal_with_fc_porto_deal/ including Paris Saint-Germain.http://www.adnews.com.au/adnews/viagogo-partners-two-major-afl-teams-to-support-launch 
 Viagogo signed a $75 million sponsorship deal with SFX Entertainment in 2014, with Viagogo buying the exclusive rights to be the designated ticket reseller for around 50 SFX events.https://www.magneticmag.com/2016/08/sfx-entertainment-lands-viagogos-legal-crosshairs/ 
 Viagogo operated 55 websites in 160 countries by early 2015.https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/0126/675687-jobs-limerick-tech/ 
 In November 2015, Viagogo became the official international ticketing partner of the Indian Aces of the International Premier Tennis League, at which point it had 60 global websites.https://www.thesportreview.com/article/indian-aces-partner-with-viagogo-to-attract-fans-to-see-nadal-v-federer/
 By 2016, Viagogo had secured investments from Robin Klein.https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/23/what-we-know-about-ticket-reseller-viagogo
 As of March 2017, Viagogo was owned by Pugnacious Endeavors,https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/mar/24/viagogo-who-runs-it-and-who-owns-ithttps://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-45425813 which was headquartered in Dover, Delaware in the United States.https://www.viagogo.com/secure/about/company Viagogo remained technically based in Geneva, while administering much of its business from an office in London as well.https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/23/what-we-know-about-ticket-reseller-viagogo 
 In August 2018, it was reported that Viagogo was preparing to move much of its workforce in the United Kingdom to New York.https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/aug/26/viagogo-preparing-to-move-uk-staff-to-new-yorkhttps://www.iq-mag.net/2018/08/viagogo-relocate-uk-new-york/
 In November 2019, Viagogo operated in 70 countries and was particularly popular in Europe.https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/25/business/stubhub-viagogo-ebay-sale.html
 As of 2020, Viagogo's majority owners included Madrone Capital Partners, Bessemer Venture Partners, and CEO Eric Baker, who held majority voting control.https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/08/viagogo-taps-330m-loan-to-increase-liquidity-to-weather-storm/ Viagogo retained offices in New York and London and employed 616 people in Europe, Asia, and the United States.https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/arid-30992169.html 
 Viagogo agreed to purchase StubHub for $4 billion in February 2020, with Viagogo's owner Pugnacious LLC to become the holding company for both.https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2021/08/16/Portfolio/Ticketing-side.aspx
 In early 2020, the live events industry was shut down due to the coronavirus pandemic,https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2021/08/16/Portfolio/Ticketing-side.aspx with Viagogo Group significantly reducing its Limerick, Ireland workforce as a result.https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/arid-30992169.html 
 Viagogo took on a $330 million loan in late 2020 in response to the industry shutdowns, allowing the company "to operate with little to no revenue" until 2022 if needed, according to Moody's.https://www.ticketnews.com/2020/08/viagogo-taps-330m-loan-to-increase-liquidity-to-weather-storm/ 
 In July 2021, Moody's reported that Viagogo had been "free cash flow positive" since April 2021.https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2021/08/16/Portfolio/Ticketing-side.aspx
 In January 2022, it was reported that StubHub Holdings was considering an IPO and had filed with the US Securities and Exchange Commission.https://www.iq-mag.net/2022/01/stubhub-may-go-public-with-13bn-valuation/ 
 In early 2022, StubHub Holding employed 650 full-time people, with a third of those employees at Viagogo.https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2022/02/28/In-Depth/Ticketing.aspx 
 In July 2022, Viagogo and StubHub announced that they would be closing their San Francisco and Shanghai offices by 2023, with a new focus to be placed on Los Angeles and New York. Offices would also remain in Switzerland, Ireland, Taiwan,https://completemusicupdate.com/article/viagogo-stubhub-confirms-streamlining-of-operations/ and Utah. In 2022, the StubHub brand migrated all of its systems and technology onto Viagogo's tech stack, with Nayaab Islam, who had been running Viagogo's technology teams since 2014, promoted to StubHub president.https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Closing-Bell/2022/07/28/StubHub-closing-Shanghai-and-San-Francisco-offices.aspx During the consolidation, Viagogo's and StubHub's legal departments were combined.https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/stubhub-shuffles-legal-leadership-amid-listing-talk-litigation
:Even without the unreliable sources helper plugin I can easily spot sources that cannot be cited in Wikipedia articles. The above content is an information and link collection, but not a proper proposal. Please rewrite this in order to become a proper proposal. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 07:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: "History" content to add

message: Could some small improvements be added to the lead paragraphs? 
*Could "and owned by StubHub Holdings" in the lead be expanded into:  
*Concerning the sentence "It was founded in 2006 by Eric Baker, the co-founder of StubHub", could it be expanded to perhaps: 
*Could "Viagogo is backed by venture capital investment firm Index Ventures as well as Brent Hoberman, the co-founder and former CEO of lastminute.com, and Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild." be trimmed to be less wordy, perhaps to:  
*Could "In February 2020, it acquired StubHub" be extended into "in February 2020 the company purchased StubHub for USD$4 billion" please? It is backed by the sources already listed.
*After "it acquired StubHub" in the lead, could the following sentence and fact be added as an extension? 
:This seems to be implemented. --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 07:32, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead changes

message: Hello. I have a lot of updates I feel would improve the page. Thank you for any help! Alex.SHVGG (talk) 19:59, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest getting the January edit request done before dealing with this one. There is still a lot to do. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 07:39, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

text: I did 2), but not 1) and 3): StubHub Holdings should not be messed up with viagogo; what you suggest in 3) is already described in the first paragraph of the lead section (albeit in an encyclopedic manner). Also not that techcrunch is not exactly the best source. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 17:35, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Not done, see MOS:TMRULES; trademarks are capitalised like proper names. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 17:51, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

text: 1) cites an interview; 2), 3) done; 4) is backed by the source so I'm not doing it; 5) not done (techcrunch); 6) not done, because it's not backed by the sources. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 18:09, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

text: I have fixed most of the legal action section as it was not well-composed. Please have look and let me know, I have made most edits that you proposed excluding those that were rendered obsolete by my section trimming. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 18:03, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

text: I have implemented an Australia section; please have a look. I feel that talking about the government is not warranted here. Authorities maybe? Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 18:07, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Mostly done, have a look. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 18:20, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done  Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 18:20, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request April 2023 - Viagogo

message: 1) StubHub Holdings is now the official owner of Viagogo and also the parent company, with StubHub just a brand owned by Viagogo/StubHub Holdings. Since StubHub Holdings doesn't have it's own page, I figure Viagogo is therefore the most likely redirect location. With that in mind, could the first mention in the lead of StubHub Holdings be stylized in bold text?
2) In the lead, could this be added to the list of investors? 
3) Could the final sentences of the lead be expanded to better reflect the page's content? I might recommend expanding this:  to:
 
:I did 2), but not 1) and 3): StubHub Holdings should not be messed up with viagogo; what you suggest in 3) is already described in the first paragraph of the lead section (albeit in an encyclopedic manner). Also not that techcrunch is not exactly the best source. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 17:35, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: "Lead" content

message: The brand's legal name is actually lowercase as in the infobox (viagogo), but the rest of the article doesn't reflect that. I'm having trouble ascertaining if this request entirely fits with the Manual of Style, since the guidelines seem contradictory in some places, but if it doesn't violate a rule, could the article's prose be reworked to use viagogo instead of Viagogo, similar to the articles for vitaminwater and eBay? 
In terms of viagogo being used in the press, I found these websites using the lowercase version:
* /  /  / 
* (in legal text, not prose)
* (government text)
:Not done, see MOS:TMRULES; trademarks are capitalised like proper names. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 17:51, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Viagogo versus viagogo

message: 1) In "History", could this sentence  have this added to the front of it as context and clarification? 
2) In "History", could this sentence  have this added to the front of it as context and clarification? 
3) In "History," could this sentence:  have this added to the end? 
4) In "History," concerning this sentence: "The company liquidated its UK assets in 2012 and moved its headquarters to Switzerland," could  be removed? There is no context there on what laws or regulations actually make the finances more private than other countries.
5) In "Operations," maybe consider replacing  with a version backed by newspapers instead of the company website? Such as: 
6) Also in "Operations," perhaps consider expanding on the third sentence (about its refund policy) to add in a newspaper perspective? To: 
:1) cites an interview; 2), 3) done; 4) is backed by the source so I'm not doing it; 5) not done (techcrunch); 6) not done, because it's not backed by the sources. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 18:09, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: "History" and "Operations" additions

message: *The first sentence of "Legal action" doesn't reflect the article in that it seems the criticism was selling any charity tickets, not just expensive ones. Maybe rewrite to the following? 
*Could this sentence be considered as an introductory sentence to the "Legal action" section? 
*The Bruno Mars ticket blurb in "Legal action" doesn't fully describe the article. Could it be expanded to read as such, and could we take out the random Bruno Mars detail so it reads like this?  Also, could this detail be added to the end of the sentence as an update? 
*Could the 2021 detail about WellingtonNZ and Jersey Boys be cut down to "Following complaints," and then combined with the sentence afterwards to read:  Could this be added to the end of that sentence as an update?  
 
*Could this detail about Italy:  have the following tacked on? 
*Could this be added? 
*Could this SIAE lawsuit:  have this tacked on to the end as an update? 
*Could this be added to "Legal action"? 
*Could the Ed Sheeran/Kilimanjaro lawsuit paragraph have a new intro sentence with context? 
*Could this detail:  be expanded into: 
*Could this detail be added about the Kilimanjaro lawsuit? 
*The second paragraph in the "Legal action" section is all focused on Take That tickets, and is very redundant. Could it be streamlined, and maybe the sentences combined?
:I have fixed most of the legal action section as it was not well-composed. Please have look and let me know, I have made most edits that you proposed excluding those that were rendered obsolete by my section trimming. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 18:03, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: "Legal action" changes

message: 1) The four sentences about Australia in the "Legal action" section are either redundant or related, so would it be possible to move them into a new  section so they can be woven together? Thank you! Maybe they could be cut and combined into the following? (references not added or removed)
 
 
2) Could these details be added to the section?
 
 
:I have implemented an Australia section; please have a look. I feel that talking about the government is not warranted here. Authorities maybe? Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 18:07, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: "Australia government" section

message: 1) The Norwich Pharmacal sentence doesn't have a source, could this be used? 
2) Concerning the rugby matter, could  be reworded to 
3) The Competition & Markets Authority and Advertising Standards Authority are both overlinked in this section right now, possible to cut down some, or add in acronyms?
4) The start of the November 2017 case is mentioned three times in a row! Could those three sentences be combined? 
5) Could the BBC Radio live detail with Margot James be rewritten with more context from the article, perhaps to: 
6) Concerning the final paragraph in "UK government" about the "comprehensive overhaul," it seems way too wordy and detailed. Could it be trimmed to just this?   Also, chronologically, might make sense to move it above the "contempt of court" sentence.
7) The "contempt of court" sentence is somewhat inaccurate, since the legal proceedings were threatened but not instigated. Could it be reworded to the following?  Then, could this tacked on the end as an update? 
8) Could this missing detail about a second appearance refusal be added somewhere? 
:Mostly done, have a look. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 18:20, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done  Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 18:20, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: "UK government" section

message: There were recently a series of edits to the page that were clear vandalism and/or minimally modified the vandalism but left it intact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Viagogo&oldid=1154826365
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Viagogo&oldid=1155012553
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Viagogo&oldid=1155012581
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Viagogo&oldid=1155217253
I have reverted the page to the last version prior to the vandalism. It may be worth discussing potential sanctions towards the offending IPs and/or protection status for this page.
Update
Approximately two hours after I reverted the page, someone added clearly biased content that was quickly reverted by another user.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Viagogo&oldid=1155461445
I am now firmly of the opinion that this page needs protection.
Out to catch those vandals (talk) 05:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  May 2023 Vandalism 

message: These utter bastards seem to have made an amazing job of sanitizing the article while staying within the WP rules. It just shows what really good PR people with a big budget can do, despite an article having protection and a well documented history of COI editing. This is probably the most egregious corporate page in WP. Ef80 (talk) 18:14, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  COI