Talk:Redneck/Archive 4

message: If you are going to change the work of other editors, please give a justification. The article you cited is actually an editorial. Absolutely not a NPOV source. You have to find a source that meets Wiki guidelines.
Jasper23 23:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Must give reason for reverts 

message: The recent revert sources an op/ed article, and is blatently POV. This not only goes against Wiki guidelines, but takes the neutrality from the article as well. If the paragraph can be neutralized, and sources OTHER than an op/ed piece from New York can be access, by all means add it. But until then, keep it out of the article. Rsm99833 18:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My bad. I should drink my caffinated beverage before doing edits. Rsm99833 19:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent reverts=

message: Jasper23, Rsm99833, and I have already explained why the "urban redneck" section and the thing about liberals using the word as an insult do not belong here.  If you're having trouble finding the relevant comments, see #removing_urban_redneck_section, #explaining my deletions, #Must give reason for reverts, and #Recent reverts=.  If you're having trouble understanding why you should respond to arguments on the talk page, please see Wikipedia:Resolving_disputes#First_step:_talk_to_the_other_parties_involved.  --Allen 17:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  discuss disagreements on talk page 

message: Hello, everybody. I realize that some folks would like to capitalize redneck, but I have found no dictionaries that do so. If you find any, please cite it here. Thank you so much. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 04:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization of redneck. 

message: Dear fellow editors:
I am enjoying editing this article because I am learning a good deal from it, and I set forth the information below in great good will for all of you to consider:
In conformity with most stylebooks, when we talk about words and phrases AS words and phrases, we should italicize them. For example:
The term redneck was first used by green men from Mars who landed in the Australian outback and were amazed to see white men on horseback.
But when it is used in a normal sense (not as a word in itself), we should leave it in Roman (NO italics) and not capitalized, viz.:
You might be a redneck if you like hound dogs and drink moonshine whisky.
Of course, if it's a book title, the word IS capitalized, and the entire title is put in italics:
The Redneck Revolution by Steve Nance (Ocean Park Press, 1985).
When we see a direct quote, we should leave the capitalization and italicization as it is inside the quote marks, viz.:
Professor Smedlley G. Snurkins wrote of the phenomenon: "We can certainly identify with the 'Redneck' philosophy in some respects."
In my most recent edit, I have tried to stick to the above rules. I sincerely hope you agree and will try to follow them.
Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 06:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style on "words as words" 

message: Are we sure that the "poor whites" were also descended from slaves? Is there a source? It would seem that the offspring in the first generation would be classified as black and the baby's descendants would most likely not be "poor whites." Let's discuss. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 15:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there is a source. A couple of them, actually. First, you have the book Redneck Redneck Manifesto by Jim Goad  and also 'They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America' by Michael A. Hoffman . Rsm99833 15:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I would love to, except I'm horrible with putting in footnotes. Would someone with a bit more experience do this?Rsm99833 17:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barbados 

message: The term redneck refers to the red scarves worn by Scotch Irish militia's during the American Revolution-Whiskey Rebellion.  No mention made of that crucial fact. Citations abound, take your pick.
:Put it up yourself. Don't forget to source. Rsm99833 05:18, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's the scarf 

message: "Redneck" is not like "nigger". The latter is generally considered a far more derogatory term. I don't see any need to include it in this article. -Will Beback 23:09, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Some people don't consider "redneck" particularly derogatory even when used by outsiders.  Virtually nobody sees "nigger" as anything less than the most vile racial insult in America when used by outsiders.  Even when used by insiders, the uses are very different.  "Cracker" would be a closer analogue, and even that's nowhere close.  --Allen 23:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Reminding involved users about the page Wikipedia:Profanity, for possible future issues. Hyenaste (tell) 23:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  A more comparable term might be "queer", which has been reclaimed and is no longer considered derogatory whether or not used by outsiders.  Same goes for "redneck".  I don't see it as a particularly derogatory term.  In point of fact both are terms of pride in ones own identity. 70.108.83.142 02:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that is close. Even so, I don't see the need to include any other term. We do a good enough job of explaining the point without need comparisons, especially those we draw ourselves. -Will Beback 03:25, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nigger please!  Queer is so much worse than Nigger, it is beyond comparison.  Imagine this exchange:  "Bubba - I hear't your son is a Nigger/Queer!"  Obviously Bubba would be much happier to have a black son than a homo one. 66.138.26.9 07:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In which case neither is like "redneck", a term which any father would be happy to hear applied to his son. Which brings us back - why do we need a comparison? If one is good than maybe we should include several - "Queer", Nigger", etc. -Will Beback 07:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is crazy. There are many arguments for exclusion and I have not heard one decent argument for inclusion. This stays out. Putting it back in is semi-vandalism. Jasper23 07:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Redneck is usually not an insult :| Many southerners refer to themselves as a redneck. And i think its getting a little predjudice about the gay and racial comments so can we please stop as it is offensive Malevious 13:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

text:  Racial slur is a racial slur. You don't get decide which one is "more offensive" to most people. State the facts and keep your personal interpreation of other peoples thoughts out of wikipedia.68.187.117.71 09:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparable terms 

message: Can we please stop adding the metal music shit to the article? it isnt a stereotype about rednecks. the stereotype for rednecks is they listen to country music not metal so can we come up with a decision so this stuff can stop? Malevious 20:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music