Talk:SOCOM II U.S. Navy SEALs

message: I don't think that the online styles of play section should include the headings on Rankup and the  gender/age factors.  Also the so-called "honour-based" gun bannings really aren't "honour" based at all, which I am sure that fellow Socomers can agree with.  Maybe merge the rankup section and the gender/age section with the complaints section.  Also Rankup and glitching should be seperated IMO, and since the dawn of Cora/Code 9 upon ALL of Socom II, we need a new section describing that.  Dboyz-x.etown 08:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, Cora and Code 9 were both released WAY after the original cheat devices. I am getting pretty sick of seeing these mentioned as       the first, or most important. They are COPIES, and not even compiled by source code they wrote. It was copy and paste source code they got off of a  Playstation 2 Message-board. The ONLY Cheat device that was written from scratch was Code Majic. Code Majic's code was completely written by Idot, from scratch. Idot DESERVES the respect and acknowledgment of creating this software, as he is the first to do this, in HISTORY. As well as I built some of the hardware used for the device, that basically had premade plans for, with "Spit" creating fixes and Codes for the games. This includes the first and ONLY, on screen, menu driven, cheat codes for games like Socom and Grand Theft Auto. In GTA, if you wanted a certain car or weapon, you push the joker key that pops up the on screen menu(Using the GTA font I might add), and select the EXACT combination you wanted, and then bang, they popped up. This way, you didn't need a million joker combos for different things. You just needed one for the In-Game Menu. This was all done WAY before anything else came out, as the other things came out because of the source code that WE posted, or pointed out. As well as the main fact that the "Gameshark" was used to cheat online on Socom 1 and 2, until they made a patch for it on Socom 2. Gameshark version 2 and below all worked online on Socom 2 for a while, until the first patch was released and at that point "Code Majic" was the only thing working. I also agree about the rank up not being an online play style, but not glitching and "gun bannings", as these ARE types of online play styles.  TheCyndicate 15:45, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs Reformatting 

message: I believe it looks exceedingly more professional to directly quote SOCOM's website for its features, rather than randomly listing them. You are doing an excellent job, btw, and I hope you keep up the good work.
:~ I'd rather call it a really poor and aggravating work. The article more and more becomes a brainless accumulation of redundant information. Opinion is included and no sources are provided. Those readers who haven't played the game regularly are left in ignorance, facing instead its players, who I doubt will ever need the information provided. Check Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Cite sources, Wikipedia:Importance and Wikipedia:Verifiability. NightBeAsT 12:10, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur.  The Online Culture section is especially fucking retarded.  Kade 05:56, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

text: As well, I concur. I believe that the entire Online Culture article needs to be deleted or revised. The entire "noob gun" controversy is simply outrageous, and if I knew how to create a poll, I would.Rjfleming84 15:33, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some changes... 

message: Seriously, personal opinions are shown, and the point of neutrality is gone out the window it needs to be fixed.
The tone of the article basically is all wrong, and needs to be fixed. I just had to edit this: "the OICW is the best gun in the game"(I understand your point, but Stat wise, the OICW IS the best gun in the game, if "best" denotes that it has superior characteristics.) as that is highly arguable and also "the OICW is only available using codebreaker" which is false as it can be unlocked in single player by passing it on difficulty "Admiral" but can only be used on single player.(I am sure that is what they meant, was thats the only way to use it online, but that is also false, as a glitch allowed it.) So, to summary, if you look at a book encyclopedia, you don't see a point of view or a tone, this is a encyclopedia, lets keep it that way. :)  --Jumpguy 21:55, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page needs work 

message: This article is horribly organized and written.  We need to organize it better, just look at the general gameplay as an example.  Also, if someone would help me source the article, I would greatly appreciate it. Dboyz-x.etown 01:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Socom2game.jpg

message: Would glitcherscorner.com be an ok source for the player rating mod leaked? I didn't know if it would be or not cause you have to register to view anything on the forums. Kawichan 12:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Code 9 and/or Cora was not made before "Code Majic". "Idot" Also is not the only maker of the device.
"Code Majic" was a device/software made by 3 people. "Idot"(Main/Lead Programmer, Code Making), "The Cyndicate" (Hardware Interface Development(Code Finding/Code-Injection), Code Making, Minor Programming) "Spit" (Programming, Main/Lead Cheat-Code Creator). The "Code Majic" team was a professional business enterprise, intended to be brought to mass market. It included large investments and sacrifice. It was not just some fly by wire hobby like the other devices mentioned.
I also want to point out, how the other devices did not exist until after "Code Majic" was given out. Including the source code for the basic functions posted on the Playstation 2 Development Forum. These functions were made in a way so that they could be identified if used in any other software. All of the PS2 "Homebrew" Cheat Devices made after this, used these functions.
It is fair to say that before "Code Majic", no online cheating was taking place. After Code Majic, an explosion of cheat devices came onto the scene. Not to mention, these people had to use the codes made by the Code Majic team, as none of the codes existed until they were made by the team. The codes were found by using complicated, proprietary Hardware made by "The Cyndicate" and inspired by "Mr. Brown's" hardware research and projects on the Playstation 2 platform. Until these codes were given out, the only Cheat Codes available for Socom 2, were codes ported from the Socom 1 game and only worked for OFFLINE use.
All in all, the "Code Majic" project was a very serious business venture. It took lots of money, time and sacrifices to create the product. The entire console online cheating scene was created by "Code Majic". As much as the Authors of the other "software" want to take credit for starting it, they simply cannot.
"Code Majic" and the people behind it deserve their rightful place in gaming history for the invention.
There were no online cheat devices before it and none with hardware/code searching after it. Sadly, it will probably be the last due to the D.M.C.A. Law(Digital Millennium Copyright Act)making it against the law for devices to edit ANY source code, on the disc itself or when being used/loaded in ram, it is still protected.
If any information is needed,or if anything at all is needed, Please feel free to contact me at "Information@TheCyndicate.com"
I would ask the the moderators to honor the hard work that went into Code Majic and put it and its creators in their rightful place.
Thank You. --TheCyndicate  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.108.181.98 (talk) 00:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheat Device Information is incorrect. 

message: I would like to thank the members of the Video Game Project and others who helped clean this article up.
- Shane  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.131.221.143 (talk) 17:39, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank You 

message: The warring user is back onto another block. Let's remain calm and discuss the merits of the deleted section without resorting to threats. Are there any parts which are:
# Uncontroversial; and
# Properly sourced to something other than a screenshot or personal experience?
We should still avoid adding this all to a "problems" section, as recommended by the Manual of Style. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The information was controversial in nature with its claim of being the "first" in several things, being "historic", and of people being "really excited" for the device.  The tone was written more as an advertisement to glorify the makers of the device.  The basic neutral gist of the whole section, stripping away biased points of view and overly-detailed information not compliant with policy and guideline, is simply "There was a cheat device that can let players modify data in the game; these alterations allow the players to use weapons that are not officially available for multiplayer games."  Now that (or a similar message) would be uncontroversial and true, provided a reliable source is found for it.  Jappalang (talk) 22:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

text: There's no reason to take the threats seriously. Don't worry about it. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Are there any reliable sources to back any of your claims? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:42, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

text: You can cite them. Which issues of what magazines? What episodes of what shows? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fresh start 

message: Wondering whether we need to have a section for the storyline.. I mean ,yeah, everything's a mission but still, it's worth putting a storyline. Any one agree ? --Roaring Siren (talk) 19:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need a Plot ?