Talk:Ron Santo

message: The section on his broadcasting career doesn't site any sources except one to prove that he is in fact the color man for Cubs Radio.  I think all of the stuff about his charming sense of humor should be taken out because in real life, he's totally annoying as an anouncer.  Whatever you think of his "sense of humor" it doesn't seem appropriate for an encyclopedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.146.85.116 (talk) 22:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that his "charming sense of humor" should be removed, even though I completely agree with it -- whether you find Santo "totally annoying" or "charming and lovable" is obviously a matter of taste.  He is, however, indisputably very popular among Cubs fans worldwide.  Tempest67 02:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever people feel about Ron, annoying or charming, that statement is one, an opinion, and two, unsourced.  Two large reasons to get rid of the section.  If you want to talk about his style, i.e. the grumbling and the rambling and the forgetfulness, link to news stories and audiofiles don't just put your opinion in. -  19:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of just removing it you could find some references on both sides and add them as quoted citations that some people find him charming and some find him annoying. Have a balanced 50/50, equally weighted, section. Just deleting content, especially from an IP address, without other constructive edits makes you appear to be a vandal and gives you very little credibility with contributors who login and spend countless hours making constructive, quality, edits. ~ WikiDon (talk) 20:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As a disinterested person coming across this page cold, I'd offer that the fact that he was an announcer is Encyclopedic.  That shouldn't be removed.  If his style truly was unique and he was known for it, then perhaps a mention that he had a unique style (if its really noteworthy) is in order.  What people thought about his style doesn't.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.183.28 (talk) 00:28, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As a fan myself, to me he could be both annoying and charming. It's fair to say that his approach was as a Cubs rooter, emotional as much as analytical. He provided a good counterbalance to the straightforward style of his play-by-play companion, Pat Hughes. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:35, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Broadcasting: Charming or Annoying

message: As someone who thinks Santo obviously belongs in the HOF, I've removed the silly comparison to Mike Schmidt: yes, they're the only two to have 300 HR and 5 Gold Gloves, but Schmidt's having a batting average 10 points below Santo's "in an era noted for weaker pitching" smells of non-NPOV, given Schmidt's other 5 Gold Gloves, his 200+ homers beyond Santo's, and his never having called the Friendly Confines his home park.  (No need to mention Schmidt's 3 MVPs, so I won't.  Well, not a lot.)  Santo was far too good a player to require bogus comparisons like the "300-homers-and-5-third-base-gold-gloves-club" stuff.  He was the real deal, and doesn't need anybody ragging on Mike Schmidt for him. RogerLustig 03:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If Chick Hafey belongs in the Hall, Ronnie certainly does. You're right that comparing Schmidt with Santo is silly. It's like comparing Ty Cobb with... well, Chick Hafey. Wahkeenah 03:52, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Club" stats

message: Ryne Sandberg has also had his number retired by the Cubs, but this article does not mention that.  Only that three previous players have had said honor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.197.19.242 (talk) 19:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is mentioned in the sidebar under the awards section.  Its the last one. JeremyWJ (talk) 03:37, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an article about Ron Santo. Ryne Sandberg's career is not relevant to the subject of the article.Orsoni (talk) 13:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Retired Numbers

message: I removed a couple of blatant POV statements from the article already. There are probably more. - Burpelson AFB ✈ 17:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: More like "editorial comments". His last year, with the White Sox, was not fun - but he was pretty much done by then anyway. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:30, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know.  Santo was a pretty honest/blunt guy.  He might have been the first too admit he didn't like his stay on the south side.  Anyway, are there any other remaining POV issues you can identify?  A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:31, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

text: The article certainly isn't clean, but I don't see any neutrality issues.  Barring any other identifications of neutrality, I move we remove the neutrality tag.122.172.157.161 (talk) 16:41, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I say zap it. If the OP can find any more, he could reinstate the tag, or better yet simply neutralize the problems as he did with the ones he found initially. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ibid.  Done. Wikiuser100 (talk) 12:12, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: Is this a reliable source? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Daily Herald (Arlington Heights) meets our standards for reliability.  I think this edit is fine except I would put a hidden comment by the deathdate to explain the discrepancy.  Otherwise, we'll have lot of well-meaning editors constantly changing the date base to the 2nd.  A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:00, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Citations are usually discouraged in the summary paragraph, but when there are issues about a particular fact, such as a birth or death date, there is often a footnote included to try to fend off edit skirmishes. In this case, maybe a footnote to the section about the death, with a short explanation stating simply that he died at 12:40 on the 3rd, and that "many" media outlets either labeled it the 2nd or said "Thursday night" or "overnight", the latter both being true but ambiguous. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:48, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the change. Feel free to improve upon it. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:18, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Also questionable is using a blog as a source for the last sentence in the introductory paragraph. The same sentence uses a weasel word in claiming that "He is widely regarded today as one of the best ballplayers not to have been admitted to the Hall."Orsoni (talk) 09:45, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd or 3rd? 

message: This section header implies there was something AFTER retirement; more correctly, "In retirement" he did such & such.
& BTW, someone w/ more recent knowledge than I could give us the particulars, but "post retirement" Santo was a businessman; which is why he was almost 20 years in retirement before he became a broadcaster. In fact, he was still playing when he became a businessman.
The Chicago press, I remember (as a teen Cub fan in the 'burbs during the 60s), gave a good of space to Santo's business ventures: that any athlete could possibly have interests out of uniform was novel. Santo's "The Pro's Pizza" was sold by the slice @Wrigley for some years before Santo retired & was advertised on local Chi. TV (@least on WGN). BubbleDine (talk) 12:55, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Post retirement" 

message: (Golden Era, 1947 to 1972)
Golden Era Committee: Article HOF site Reference #39, Retrieved December 2011: elected Santo to HOF on Dec. 5, 2011. There is no longer a "Veterans Committee" since the beginning of 2011.[YahwehSaves (talk) 06:07, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Golden Era Committee (not "Veterans Committee") elected Ron Santo to HOF

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message: I think there is some confusion regarding Santo's death date. Check out the Daily Herald reference right after the death date in the body of the article. That article provides convincing evidence that he died on 12/3/10 (namely, that his immediate family members saw him alive at 12:30 AM on the 3rd). I know that a lot of sources characterize his death as occurring on 12/2, but I think the source addresses the issue well enough that we shouldn't perpetuate the mistake. Maybe we can add an explanatory footnote to the dates in the lead and/or infobox so that no one gets too confused. Thoughts? EricEnfermero (Talk) 18:55, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of death 

message: Wiki lists his nationality on google search as "American"..well,we all are. Born in Arizona with a Hispanic surname. So,what was he?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4100:17A5:40AE:1F73:64E6:AD1 (talk) 17:51, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Santo + Arizona= Latino? 

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message: https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_3B.shtml  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1600:1830:8C5:5D60:8E72:7E08 (talk) 17:21, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article says that he is "second to Matthews" with .464 slugging average. Even if we only consider those third basemen that played over 2,000 games, there are 9 (including Matthews) that have a higher career slugging average than Santo.