Talk:Ultimate (sport)/Archive 1

message: Might not be a bad article...just need to make sure we're not just
copying ultilingo.
I really think that we should trim down the terms to only those that wre necessary and universal, not just slang. Leppy 22:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ultimate terms... 

message: I merged the Ultimate Terms into the section of the this main article (sorry, Wikibofh), but definitely feel free to add items you see fit. For instance, I was playing a few weeks ago, and someone had to explain "give and go" to me. --Christopherlin 21:52, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger

message: That's fine...still working on learning the conventions and it makes sense either way.
Wikibofh 16:47, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  no worries... 

message: Is this an actual term that people use?  I ask because I have never heard it used, it was an anonymous user (on his/her first contribution) who added it, and it sounds like the kind of thing someone would add as a joke, so I just want to fact-check. -- ericl234 talk contribs 08:48, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
* Never heard of it.  Looks like a personal attack.  I reverted it out. Wikibofh 13:20, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dickie"? 

message: I thought "hot" referred to a defensive player who is covering somebody that is part of a play, or that team is trying to work through, etc.  Like, I'd yell at my teammate that they are hot, to let them know they should tighten up their mark/coverage for the rest of the point.
* I've never heard that before, but it sounds like a good idea.  :)  Wikibofh(talk) 14:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarification

message: As the Callahan is listed in the 10th edition rules, I don't understand its inclusion as a slang term. It's as much a regular (non-slang) term as goal, throw, player, etc. R 07:28, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slang 

message: Good article. I've always seen the name written with a capital F, though, as Frisbee is a proper noun (brand name). What is the reason then that this article is here and Ultimate Frisbee is a redirect? Nickptar 15:36, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  If the article is going to include "Frisbee", it should indeed be capitalized (it's their trade name, even if very genericized).  That said, for quite some time the "official" (for example, the term used at ) name has been plainly "ultimate", and that or "ultimate (sport)" is probably a better page name, with "Ultimate Frisbee" and "Ultimate frisbee" being redirects.  -- Kaszeta 19:10, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''F'''risbee or '''f'''risbee? 

message: There have been several edits that deal with Ultimate starting in Amherst.  I've been removing these as unsourced and contrary to the consensus of NJ.  We should discuss this before we add them back and try to find sources.  The best I've heard so far is that they made t-shirts that claimed it. I'm also not really happy with the "first and largest children's league" because it's unsourced, but I don't have information that contradicts it, so what the hay.  :)   Wikibofh 22:16, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikibofh 22:22, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amherst connection... 

message: Can anyone show where they are UPA approved for competition (ie, not including the Captain's exception)?  I couldn't find it in some quick searches.  Wikibofh 20:23, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discs Used 

message: I cleaned up references to football, making clear we're talking about North American football, and also that the first college game totally mirrored the first college football game (same colleges, same place, same date).
It would seem good to put more about SOTG, particularly the current discussion and frequent controversy about the role of spirit, what it really means, the desire for some players to have referees, and resistance by many players who feel referees would ruin the game.  
Not an easy task to briefly and fairly treat this topic, but it is crucial, IMHO, to understanding the sport.
- Scott Crabtree (dont' have a Wiki id)
* Changes look good.  I made the football link a link to American football.  Remember, we're going for encyclopedic, so no reason to make SOTG discussions short.  :)  Improve it how you see fit.  Wikibofh 13:55, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some changes 

message: I don't think having a list of every site for pickup is a good idea in the article.  I'd argue for it in the list of leagues, but hey, that got deleted, so we need something else.  Ideas?  Wikibofh 19:54, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Pick-up Game Websites 

message: The DiscNW Spring Middle and High School leagues have been billing themselves as the largest youth leagues in the country for a number of years. I'm currently in the process of contacting the commissioner for the exact numbers of participants from last year. WAvegetarian 06:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was responded to by Mike Mullen and William Bartram the Youth Ultimate Director and Executive Director, respectively. If anyone has concerns about the accuracy of this edit they may contact the DiscNW Board of Directors directly. You can find contact info here. --WAvegetarian 23:48, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest League Claims 

message: :Upon receiving the disc, a player has ten seconds to pass it. 
I've been playing some indoor ultimate in Germany, and we tend to count to 8, not 10 (and they're not "real" seconds, it's usually counted faster). I'm not sure if it's a local variation or if it's popular elsewhere too. Taw 22:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You finish at 8.  I also start at 5 (or 6) for box/3v3/2v2/whatever small game you choose, but it's a bit too confusing to start stalling at 2 or 3.  Anyway, that's how we do it in Houston. --Keflavich 16:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ten seconds 

message: *If people prefer it, I'm willing to crop and CC-SA this image.   We should also figure out what other images we want.  New Year's Fest is coming in February and I can get a bunch of shots there and probably cover most of the requests.  Wikibofh 18:57, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Not bad, but the horizontal shots are usually a bit more spectacular and demonstrative.  I think we need some good sky pictures too. --Keflavich 04:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I like 3947, but since it shows a lot of contact I think it would be better if it was captioned as 'Contact sometimes happens, but it is left up to players to determine whether a foul should be called' or something along those lines.  There was another one that looked good, 3774, but the car was in focus instead of the players.  In 3926, is that guy wearing a Mamabird jersey?  Looks like I know some of those guys. --Keflavich 21:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd say post 3947, but look to future photo shoots for good sky pictures.  I'll try to get some myself, but... well... my team doesn't sky very often, and I don't know when I'll next be a spectator. --Keflavich 01:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I changed it to a pic I thought was a little better, and was from this past year's club nationals, taken by Scobel (added with permission)Leppy 01:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layout image... 

message: I'm all for national Ultimate association links (such as the UPA and UKUA) in the external links section, but I don't think we need to have links such as the 'Northwest Ultimate Association (DiscNW)' and 'UWO Moostangs Ultimate' ones currently in there.  After all, we can't add links to every Ultimate team website on the planet.  Thoughts? Ends Of Invention 10:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regional Association/Team links? 

message: If I want to add a link to, say, the World Ultimate Club Championships (which is obviously a 'major tournament'), but can only find a link to the website for the upcoming tournament or tournaments that have already happened, should I still link it?  Tournaments such as BritOpen and Paganello have a generic URL (e.g. paganello.com) that will always show details of the newest tournament, but for the WUCC I can only find wucc2006.org, which will obviously become out of date in the future.  Is it a bad idea to link using URLs such as this that will become obselete within a year?
If I can't find a better link, should I still add the tournament to this section but with no link? Ends Of Invention 01:52, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Tournaments 

message: Can we get some work on the tone of the article a little bit to make it somewhat more encyclopedic? For instance, instead of expressing what a commonly accepted history of the origins to be, let's just say that there is uncertainty and dispute over the origins, then depict the possibilities and the substantiating evidence. Also, can we limit the "terms" to just those that are more official, and remove the lang and regional terms? Ideally I'd like to see this be in consideration for a featured article. Leppy 01:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have some changes I want to avoid reverts with, so I'd like some consensus. First, I would like to remove all the tournaments that aren't significant, so really only the world/national championship tourneys remain. Second, I'd like to trim out a some of the excess external links, removing these:
    * Jot's Ultimate Guide to Ultimate Frisbee
    * Ultimate Lingo
    * Ultilingo - a "dictionary" of Ultimate Frisbee slang
    * Ultimate Frisbee - strategy and coaching blog
    * Ultimate Talk Blog - Where Frisbee Blogs come together
    * RSD: The Ultimate Forum for All Ultimate News
Leppy 13:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Make it encyclopedic 

message: I was the one who originally added the phrase "incorrectly" to the intro (Ultimate (often called Ultimate Frisbee). I'm just not sure if it should be there or not. As Ultimate fanatics we tend to denounce the use of "frisbees" to refer to discs and "ultimate frisbee" instead of ultimate. I think if the term incorrectly was added it would show that it is sort of looked down-upon to say "Ultimate frisbee" for true Ultimate players. --Liface 23:53, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My view is that it is what it is commonly known as.  When you tell someone who knows nothing about it that you play "Ultimate" do you then explain the whole game, or follow up with "Ultimate Frisbee".  I do the latter and suspect it is the more common.  Thus my reasoning for removing "incorrectly". Wikibofh(talk) 00:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I admit I kind of just skimmed this section before taking "Ultimate Frisbee" out of the parenthesis. It looked better to me. Anyway, I'm going to put "flying" back into the frisbee link to clarify. --Christopherlin 06:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ultimate Frisbee = incorrect?

message: Someone with more time than myself should add info from here to the article. The linked page is from the UPA and gives good info on the Ultimate Hall of Fame. Also, the issue of "founder" of Ultimate needs a good authoritative source, like the UPA's article on the founders of the sport. —WAvegetarian•CONTRIBUTIONSTALK• EMAIL•23:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add these to the article 

message: We normally play (in Alaska) that if the disc hits the ground and starts rolling then its the other teams disc from where it stops rolling. both teams are allowed to stop the disc from rolling any farther. Note: This keeps there from being any disputes about where the frisbee hit. JedG 22:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's how we play in the UK too, although this is just what I've observed; I'm not sure of the actual rule. Ends Of Invention 01:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I can throw it half way down the field and catch it there. I know some people who can pull it full field and catch it in the other endzone, with a tail wind, of course. You are free to play however you want, but if you want the official rule to change you will need to contact the UPA. If anyone is interested in reading the 10th edition rules, a nice html, linked indedx version can be found at http://www2.upa.org/ultimate/rules.—WAvegetarian•CONTRIBUTIONSTALK• EMAIL• 22:31, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rules 

message: It has been over a decade since I last played the game. I still find myself describing Ultimate to people that have never heard of Ultimate.
One aspect that I always make sure to point-out is the importance of technique. When you play Ultimate you generally cannot use a common backhand throw. Since you have a defender in your face counting you off, the typical throw in Ultimate is a forehand throw that reaches around the defender's torso -- a throw that requires practice. I think I was taught a forehand before learning any other rules or strategies of the sport.
The only place in the article (as of 3 April 2006) that speaks to forehand throw technique is the link to Disc throws as a "See also".
Forehand throw technique is important to mention in this article. An encyclopedia entry should describe something to a reader as if they just arrived from another planet.
Charles Gaudette 20:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Throw techniques — forehand 

message: If you look at any of the other articles about sports, and the rest of this article, specific teams are almost never mentioned, except in historical context. Therefore, there shouldn't be a sentence like "Some of the most noted high school teams playing at a national level include....." I could possibly, possiblysee a need to mention Amherst, and maybe paidiea and Northwest School, but Hopkins, Madison West and all the rest are unnecessary.
--Jaguarkmd 23:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it has gotten somewhat out of hand. I don't think that comparing ultimate to other sports articles is truly fair in this instance, however. Ultimate is a young, quickly evolving sport. The UPA has been around for just over 25 years, yet we're already on the tenth edition of the rules. I think that mentioning Amherst, NW and Paidiea is important because it shows where the sport is coming from and where its future lies. Amherst is like the New York Yankees of high school ultimate, except with less hatred and more awe. The greater Boston area has been a hot spot for ultimate ever since Kass and Silver. The Seattle area has been strong with young players for a long time, has the largest and oldest youth league in the world (DiscNW), and recently swept every division of club level play. The Northwest School is coached by Joe Bisignano, one of the founders of DiscNW, and Mike Mullen, DiscNW director of youth ultimate. NW won Westerns in 2005 and based on the results so far this season has 3 teams ranked in the top 20 youth teams in the USA.  Brown has the Paideia Years. A number of well known ultimate players have gone to Paideia, including Miranda Roth. From a quick google search, Paideia H.S. was ranked 74th in the nation in 2000. Not impressive, that ranking is the official collegiate ranking as published by the UPA College Rankings Office.  They have been open division national champions 2 out of the 8 years that there has been a national championship at the high school level, second only to Amherst's 4. They won the girls championship 5 years in a row, with the varsity team playing the junior varsity team for the championship in 2003. Northfield Mt. Hermon has been an open division semifinalist the last three years. The others just are regional powers, but just don't have the same national prowess. Having grown up living next door to two of the founders of the Northwest School and being best friends with their kids, not to mention playing against and having great respect for their ultimate team, I will abstain from making any controversial changes to this section. In the spirit of full disclosure, I'm also the cousin and current teammate of a recent graduate of Amherst. So if someone clear of baggage would be bold and knock off the teams that don't have a national level presence, it would be appreciated. —WAvegetarian•CONTRIBUTIONSTALK• EMAIL• 02:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I slimmed it down some plus changed inaccuracies and correct grammar issues.--Jaguarkmd 08:32, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: looks good—WAvegetarian•CONTRIBUTIONSTALK• EMAIL• 19:49, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highschool and Junior Leagues needs to change