Talk:Orator

message: :A page split of this page was split to oratory in 2007. The page histories of that version and List of orators have been merged as of 04:49, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

message: It seems stupid, that on the wiki page for orator, is a quote taken from the wiki page on orator, about what orator means.¨
Bobber0001 20:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stupidity 

message: I'm sorry, but the "Yes We Can" speech by Barack Obama is too recent to be judged as a famous speech. Remember, too, that just because it is praised amongst a minority of people at a given moment (Obama supporters), does not make it historic. This is also a current event that is important now, but may not be important 2 or 3 years from now. I have no problem with Obama, and am not doing this from a political standpoint. This is just an absurd "jumping the gun" addition. See Wikipedia:Recentism. I have removed that reference, but also take issue with – actually – a majority of people in those lists. I think we need consensus on what needs to be done with these lists. The problem is that many of them are political speakers, and the fame of their speeches is objective. Others are simply pop culture icons. Beyond any of that is the fact none of these listings are sourced. The entire article needs serious cleanup and sourcing, period, but I think these lists in general need immediate attention. Remove people whose speeches' notability cannot be sourced by scholars or other professional speaking organizations, or who don't have decades of history binding a particular speech or speeches to their legacy or generational history. I am in favor of removing ALL names and speech references from the lists (Pulpit, Other, and Modern), except the ones that can be individually sourced as significant historical speakers or speeches. If we let people add their heroes just because they personally think they gave some great random speeches, this article is going to turn into a lengthy, ludicrous battleground. Thoughts? 72.213.129.138 (talk) 06:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Obama's "Audacity of Hope" speech however is not recent, being 4 years old now.  Yet it continues to circulate among lists of prime speeches given of the past 20 years.  A speech being remembered a month later is and of itself a miracle in todays society.  To find people quoting a 4 year old speech by a then state senator from Illinois?  That to me says he does deserve a place in this list.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.97.85.118 (talk) 13:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists, Barack Obama & the Aricle in General

message: As it is, we have some POV and some apparent OR... but not in the way of sourced citations. Furthermore, there seem to be no stated criteria for inclusion on the various lists in the article. Without these, the article winds up being meaningless. 147.70.242.40 (talk) 20:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations! 

message: I've boldly redirected Orator into Public speaking as it was virtually all original research, and nobody bothered to participate in the discussion. Any sourced material in the original orator article that seems appropriate for incorporation into the target should be moved over (with the source noted). 147.70.242.41 (talk) 22:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirected/merged 

message: de-oraita was/is Aramaic for expounding the law, and this was a language used in ancient Israel well before Hellinization period. For example this book  It is just possible that this was borrowed by the Greeks for just this activity? Essentially it was delivered by a rabbi to his school, that used to be a semicircle of steps for sitting on...remind anyone of something :) --124.184.92.15 (talk) 11:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aramaic anyone? 

message: Maybe describing twain an dickens as popular sources of entertainment undermine their contributions to literature to an extent?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.1.229.15 (talk) 13:45, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't realize the two categories were mutually exclusive. -Verdatum (talk) 14:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writers