Talk:Bin Laden family

message: I removed the bit about the policies of the family being secretive like all billionaire families. This seems meaningless to me. What families have 'policies' and if they do, how many are public? --Lee Hunter 16:37, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference to the New York Times was irrelevant and didn't change the content. As far as I can tell, everything I removed was either POV, speculation, or fanciful. For example, Victoria College in Alexandria was described as the "former educational bastion of the British Empire". I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean but the college wasn't founded until 1902, rather late to have a major role in the British Empire. --Lee Hunter 22:11, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: untitled

message: It says in this article that, "Osama bin Laden (b. 1957) married Najwa Ghanem (b. 1957)"
It the article for Najwa Ghanem, it says that, "...when she was 14 and he was 17."
One of them must be wrong. Erik E. (talk) 04:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected asserted birthdate for Najwa Ghanem to c. 1960. Haven't found a good supporting cite, but there are plenty of sources supporting her age as 14 at the time of their 1974 marriage. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 06:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age of Najwa Ghanem 

message: :An anon. User:70.32.84.133 attempted to substitute "an ultralight" for the plane crashed by Salem bin Laden in San Antonio, Texas 1988. He was in fact  flying a BAC 1-11, a short-range jet airliner which had been bought in July 1977 by Prince Mohammed Ben Fahd (PBS "Frontline"). That plane's flight log had been a subject of some interest because the same plane was said to have been used in the summer of 1980 by negotiators in the so-called "October Surprise" . For a private interview in Madrid, an ultralight would be impractical for a London-Madrid hop; a BAC 1-11 ideal. A very interesting attempted switch. --Wetman 04:49, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is this way again --- however, the first source I found  also said it was an ultralight.  It also said he owned three more ultralights and a 707 jet.  That jet may be the one you're talking about, and would be interesting to detail separately. Wnt (talk) 23:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: An interesting switch

message: The following text was removed frm the article :
:"The plane's flight log had been a subject of some interest because the same plane was said to have been used in the summer of 1980 by negotiators in the so-called "October Surprise" (an alleged conspiracy by Ronald Reagan's supporters to delay resolution of the Iran Hostage Crisis until after the US presidential election)." --Wetman 00:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *The Frontline page at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/family.html was the only source for the claim that Salem bin Laden was killed while flying the BAC 1-11.  That page has been revised by PBS to reflect that the plane in which bin Laden was killed was not a BAC 1-11.  Therefore, I removed the above-quoted text relating to the BAC 1-11.Jbull 00:27, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The flight log

message: I've removed the following from this page:
اسامه بن لادن والجبان معتوه. وليس اراده الله لمقاتله الاميركيين. انها ليست ينفيديلس. ايران ايضا عدو ويجب ان يكون الهدف الحقيقي من الجهاد. وتسعي الولايات المتحده وغضب هاءل وتقديم راث الصادره في العالم العربي. الله اكبر
It was sandwiched between the first and second paragraphs. The curiousity of it struck me and the translation appears to be the following as per this Arabic translation site:
" Osama bin Laden and the coward one is insane . And he Allah wanted it to its fighter the Americans . It is not Ynfidils .Iran is also an enemy and the target should be the truth "
This is another translation... 'Osama bin Laden and cowardly moron. It is not God's will to fight the Americans. It's not Invidels. Iran is also the enemy and it must be the real objective of jihad. The United States, enormous anger and Rath newspapers in the Arab world. God is great, ' source - http://free-translation.imtranslator.net/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.172.242.61 (talk) 02:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting Arabic 

message: Although the article references propagandamatrix.com and a column written by Ed Vulliamy to support the claim of the meeting, this remains no more than an allegation, and I have edited the article to reflect this fact. Ordinary Person 03:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been reported by major media, although most of the conspiracy sites get the timeline wrong (Bush Sr. was there on Sept. 10, but not Sept. 11). It's probably best to avoid using conspiracy sites as sources. -- Dhartung | Talk 05:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged meeting 

message: People make a big deal of the fact that George H.W. Bush and Osama Bin Laden's half-brother were at the same conference shortly before 9/11. What doesn't get nearly as much coverage is that the Bin Laden family donated large sums of money to the Jimmy Carter Presidential Library, and if I'm not mistaken, also to Bill Clinton's library fund. Why does this not get any coverage? It's a much stronger connection than "Bin Laden's half-brother (one of his 60-odd siblings) was in the same place as the president's father!"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.50.151.8 (talk) 10:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Carter Connection 

message: I recently started an article on Omar Osama bin Laden, and I believe the other two names are the same person.  Many news articles currently say that Omar Osama is the son of Osama bin Laden, but I've also cited sources that say that Omar bin Laden or Omar Awad are nephews of bin Laden.  However, all these articles agree he is the brother of Abdallah or Abdullah the founder of the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (or the World Conference of Muslim Youth?) (some claim he too was involved though he was ~15 at the time).  Does anyone have a good source to put all these lingering uncertainties to rest? Wnt (talk) 23:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omar Awad bin Laden, Omar Osama bin Laden, Omar bin Laden 

message: Found this excellent source which lists all of the Bin Laden brothers. There is information on many of the bin Laden brothers but in German. I did not cite the source since I do not know how to do it. But I will list it here in case the info I provided is deleted because no source was cited.
The source is from 
http://www.arabischehalbinsel.de/Bin%20Laden%20Familie.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.76.250.16 (talk) 13:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for Bin Laden and brothers 

message: I corrected the formatting of the family tree somewhat, but the ordering of it, including the numbering is a bit wonky. Would it be a good idea to at least comment out the ordinal numbers out of the list, until the correct order can be ascertained? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 13:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of family tree 

message: This has to be wrong. When was this added?? 68.33.32.197 (talk) 05:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  House of Gossip Girl? 

message: I've restored the info that was deleted by User:Joshua Darkins (sockpuppet of User:JJGD). The following is the 4th paragraph counting from the bottom.
House Of Bin Laden, by Jane Mayer....The family continues to have a stake, estimated by one source at about ten million dollars, in the Fremont Group, a private investment company, on whose board of directors sits another former Secretary of State, George Shultz. Much of the family's private banking is handled by Citigroup, which is chaired by former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin. The family has equity investments with Merrill Lynch and Goldman, Sachs. Among the family's business partners is General Electric. A spokesman for Jack Welch, the chairman of G.E., says that the family threw a party for him' in the nineteen-nineties in Saudi Arabia, and that Welch "considers them good business partners." One American diplomat says, "You talk about your global investors, it's them. They own part of Microsoft, Boeing, and who knows what else." Others note that the family has been awarded contracts to help rebuild American military installations, including the Khobar Towers, which were damaged in a terrorist attack that killed nineteen servicemen in 1996.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.73.0.104 (talk) 00:33, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha! They own "part of" Microsoft and Boeing?? These are publicly traded companies. Anyone can own a single share of either of these companies and be called a "part owner" so this is hardly meaningful information. In addition, the source is not a legitimate primary source. It's a second-hand reference: someone says that someone else says... At very least, the article should say that an article by Jane Mayer CLAIMS that an un-named American diplomat says these things. There's nothing wrong with pointing out that this family has legitimate global business dealings and significant investments in stocks, but the tone here is conspiratorial and non-factual. 216.80.110.88 (talk) 03:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia articles should be based mainly on reliable "secondary sources". I believe that the source used for the above information is a reliable secondary source. The American diplomat did not mention a "share holder" but a "part owner of the company". Americans diplomats would know what is a share holder and what is a part owner.--PosePetal (talk) 01:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Restored deleted info

message: CAn we get a better idea about what western companies they have a significant stake in?  The intro. mentions Microsoft and Boeing, but what else?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.139.148.16 (talk) 19:49, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: What do the own?

message: After I tidied some duplicates, this article is left with inline citations of 14 sources. However, that's a lot smaller than the number of people discussed. There seem to be some negative/controversial biographical claims about some people which do not have inline citations. Any suggestions?
I just noticed that Saad bin Laden isn't named in any of the sources, but this article implicates him in four different bombings. That's a Bad Thing, BLP-wise. I removed the text. Feel free to reinsert the text if you can add another source that supports it.
bobrayner (talk) 01:54, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: BLPs and sourcing

message: Currently, the article makes it appear that both Hamza and Khalid died in the operation on May 1st.  Hamza is given a death date of 2011, and Khalid is said to have died "with his father."  The transcript of the  May 2nd press briefing that it was Hamza, but the transcript for the May 4th briefing says the correct name was spoken, but the transcript provided the wrong name.  This implies that it was not Hamza who was killed, but it doesn't specify that it was Khalid.  Of course any number of sources are saying that it was Khalid, so we can presume that was the name spoken in the May 2nd briefing that was incorrectly transcribed.  So I would think that only Khalid should have a death date listed, because Hamza's status is unknown.  But again, there is no WH transcript stating that it was Khalid, only that it wasn't Hamza. -Etoile ✩ (talk) 17:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Hamza vs. Kahlid - who died?

message: This page is very text heavy. Is it possible to include diagrams of family trees which would be much easier to read?
Mastercampbell (talk) 05:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diagrams 

message: What's the source for the death of Kadhija bin Laden? The Dawn newspaper in Karachi, Pakistan reported on May 7, 2011 that the compound where Osama bin Laden was killed included "four children of a daughter who was killed in a drone strike in Waziristan,"  but I cannot find reports of the name of the daughter who was killed.  
71.191.195.221 (talk) 05:08, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source on the Death of Kadhijia bin Laden? 

message: The family themselves spell the name Binladin, so shouldn't we be adopting that as the correct spelling with the others as alternatives? Mztourist (talk) 15:47, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bin Laden, Bin Ladin or Binladin? 

message: The article currently says in the lead "Osama bin Laden, the former head of Al Qaeda, the terrorist group responsible for the September 11, 2001 terror attacks on US government and commercial buildings.".   It's nonsense like this that's ruining Wikipedia's reputation. There's no evidence Bin Laden had anything to do with 911. There's no evidence Al-Qaeda actually ever existed or had anything to do with 911. just because mainstream media publishes this nonsense doesn't make it so. 81.155.210.198 (talk) 07:21, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making Wikipedia a laughing stock 

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message: I think it's relevant to mention Salem bin Laden oil partnership with George W. Bush in late 70s
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB938472015689477544Aihlonoe (talk) 14:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arbusto energy