Template talk:Jack Abramoff

message: ===Mohammed Atta===
A guest on a Sun Cruz boat along with several other alleged 9/11/01 perps less than one week prior to 9/11/01. 
=== Bob Ney ===
I suggested this to KWH, and he wrote: "if we include everyone related to Abramoff the template will be a mile long. However, since involvement with Ney led directly to one of the charges, I think he could be included on a "short list". Others will probably disagree and want him removed. Don't feel afraid to add him if you think he belongs...".  He also told me to "be bold", so I'm adding him.
=== Roger Stillwell ===
I just added Roger Stillwell.  See here.  He's not a big fish.  But I suspect he will lead to big fish, and, in the interim, since he is charged, he ought to be included.  (And a Stillwell article might need to be created)  IMHO.  -- Sholom 02:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Including Other Names

message: I just added Roger Stillwell.  See here.  He's not a big fish.  But I suspect he will lead to big fish, and, in the interim, since he is charged, he ought to be included.  (And a Stillwell article might need to be created)  IMHO.  -- Sholom 02:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roger Stillwell 

message: They're part of the "triumvirate" (along with Abramoff) and are mentioned in the first graf of the scandal article.--Wasabe3543 06:37, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reed and Norquist 

message: I think that DeLay should be included here because 1) he has been indicted for a crime that involved Abramoff, 2) Scanlon and Rudy both worked for his office, as did Miller whose complaint to the police brought everything down.
Abramoff was the chair of TRMPAC, the PAC that DeLay was indicted over. DeLay is also referenced in the Rudy indictment (Representative B). Abramoff has not been charged over TRMPAC only because the Florida fraud and murder charges trumped Earle's. 
There should be two lists, first of the people indicted (Abramoff, Scanlon, DeLay), second of the people involved in some way (DooLittle, Ney, Reed, Norquist, Boulis). Boulis is not accused of involvement but his murder certainly involved Abramoff's takeover of the cruise ships. If an indictee has been sentenced the number of years should be stated. --Gorgonzilla 15:50, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for inclusion, Tom Delay 

message: The Kemel link is silly and unsubstantiated. There is no mention in any of the prosecution documents and no mention in the Senate investigation either. Abramoff is a crook but accusing him of being in league with Al Qaeda is a claim that requires a substantial burden of proof. It is utterly implausible that any Arab terrorists would be interested in using a Jewish lobbyist. --Gorgonzilla 01:03, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kemel 

message: So far as I can tell the only reason to include Byron Dorgan is to incorrectly imply that Democratic politicians have played a major role in the Abramoff scandal. I would revert the changes but I want to avoid getting entrapped in an edit war with anonymous users. -User At Work 15:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for Inclusion: Byron Dorgan 

message: I added William Heaton to the "Named but not charged"-category, as he was named (Staffer C) in  the plea of Bob Ney. Someone should create an Heaton article as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.216.39.102 (talk) 20:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  William Heaton 

message: I don't think Doolittle has been named in any of the court documents yet. We have a pretty high bar for including mention of politicians in the template. I'm going to remove it for now, because we should discuss it first. --User At Work 21:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for inclusion: John Doolittle