Talk:Flavoring

message: This page has been merged with flavoring because the two seemed most suited to be paired together, but if someone has an idea how to expand flavor in such a way as to create a distinct, decent sized article that doesn't overlap with taste or flavoring, feel free to do so. Personally, I'd like to see more here about the science of creating new flavors (Jelly Belly is known for this), how scientists imitate flavors, etc.
This page is in bad shape. It either needs to be renamed to flavoring or more information needs to be added about traditional or ‘natural’ flavoring methods before food became industrialized. For one, there is thousands of years of historical flavoring methods that existed before chemical synthesis; for two, the traditional methods are still used in industry and is the sole practical method for flavoring in home cooking. The way this article is written seems to be a composite of (a) industrial flavoring, implying that flavor did not exist before so, and (b) a justification for the use of artificial flavors which is wholly biased and not what the article should be about.47.144.167.178 (talk) 21:41, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging

message: Since the article is entitled "flavor", I would suggest that the whole article should use that spelling rather than "flavour". The spelling difference is mentioned at the very begining of the article and I think that is lopaediasufficent. Wjousts 13:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "This is an international encyclopaedia and the commonwealth spelling is the internationally accepted standard." No, it's not. WorldWide Update 21:21, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: 1) This sort of imperialism doesn't help Wikipedia. 2) There is no "internationally accepted standard." Indeed, most people on the planet (though not the vast majority) use some version of American English. 3) #2 is actually irrelevant: Wikpedia has clear guidelines on spelling. Please see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#National_varieties_of_English. --Cultural Freedom talk 2006-06-27 20:43 (UTC)
Those guidelines are exceedingly unclear, mostly waffle. I did notice this sentence though "If all else fails, consider following the spelling style preferred by the first major contributor (that is, not a stub) to the article". 
As the bulk of the Flavor article came from a merge with the Flavouring article then surely it should be called Flavour.--RMHED 13:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I disagree. Perhaps believing that "American English is abhorrent" is influencing you? --Cultural Freedom talk 2006-06-28 13:41 (UTC)
Quite possibly, u know that u want to add that u really don't u.--RMHED 18:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

text: You nailed it. There's no point in changing it, too many spelling zealots. Sjschen 17:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling differences

message: While I do not possess the educational background to comment on the differences between artificial and natural flavoring, I believe it is necessary to create separate sections (or separate new pages) providing knowledge on these two types of flavoring.  Currently, both types redirect to "flavor" and little information on the differences exist on this page. Colorblindmike 19:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just did a search on wikipedia for "natural flavor", and got redirected to this. Disappointing. The term seems so vague. Would love to know what it legally means. YellowAries2010 (talk) 17:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm sure there's a better definition that that. I know that's the gist, but so many products in America have "natural flavor", I'm sure some consumers would like to see the term explained. YellowAries2010 (talk) 17:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no scientific definition of "natural flavor" so I fear you will be disappointed. Regulations vary from place to place and product to product as to what can be labeled "natural". Usually anything obtained originally from a plant or animal source and is processed using only physical (e.g. distillation, filtering) or chemical processes usually related to traditional food preparation (and this can be very broadly interpreted, e.g. heating, fermenting, etc) could be labeled as natural. Wjousts (talk) 19:33, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artificial & Natural Flavor 

message: I don't think a consensus was really reached here. As I see it the most widely used version in multiple English speaking countries should be used, instead of the one that is mainly used in America only. Except I do not know which one is more widely used outside of America. I think a clear consensus has to be reached and left as a note on top of the talk page, on all these alternate spelling articles actually, because right now for the flavour article at least the reason for choosing one over the other seems to be a little "up in the air" JayKeaton (talk) 14:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:ENGVAR.  The consensus is that the article started with the spelling flavor and therefore should continue using that spelling. I added an internal note to the article in this regard. VMS Mosaic (talk) 17:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry but I can't find on that link the consensus that you mentioned. Where should I be looking? JayKeaton (talk) 02:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean the overall Wikipedia consensus which is defined by WP:ENGVAR.  This article  clearly started with the spelling "flavor", and therefore WP:ENGVAR requires it continue to use that spelling unless some part of WP:ENGVAR allows it to be changed (e.g. if it was an article covering a British subject). VMS Mosaic (talk) 18:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But that doesn't really help, someone could just change the starting of the article to "flavour" and then the rest of the article would have to change to comply. JayKeaton (talk) 04:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am referring to the article edit history.  When the article was created, the spelling "flavor" was used. VMS Mosaic (talk) 02:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

text: So it means it was created by a user of American English, that shouldn't be precedent enough to decide which is correct for the English speaking world at large. JayKeaton (talk) 07:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but the consensus defined by WP:ENGVAR says that it is precedent enough.  In any case, I am not going to debate WP:ENGVAR here.  It is what it is.  Please also read the third paragraph of WP:MOS and its footnote concerning an arbitration request (passed 6 to 0) on this issue.  The consensus here is very strong, very clear  and long standing. VMS Mosaic (talk) 20:46, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

text: As someone who is often editing food articles on Wiki, I'll throw in my bit as well. My feeling is that the spelling is in transition globally to an American spelling. Most of the globe is reared on the English spelling as 'flavour' because most of the former Bristish Commonwealth countries would be Oxford Dictionary based. However, the spread of PCs, with American based dictionaries is meaning that most people on the planet are exposed to American spelling nowadays. For example I'm in Australia where we spell it "flavour", but my spell check says "flavor". It's the way the cookie crumbles...Also, although it's international ..wiki is American in origin ...let's get over it.John Moss (talk) 05:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  flavour/flavor 

message: This article should talk about the evolution of flavor from the moment a comesitible enters into the mouth till it is swallowed and after. The most common word people use is "aftertaste", but wine tasting descriptions cover a more detailed "envelope" or "profile", with words like "upfront" "mid palate" "finish" and "aftertaste" and probably a lot more. 69.203.73.99 (talk) 21:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  aftertaste 

message: The US regulations pertaining to natural flavoring is outdated, and the citation goes to a dead link.  The current revision of the CFR found at , but I don't know how to work the phrasing in to the article, as it doesn't give a specific definition, only states what types of material may be used, and then gives a long list of sources from which they may be derived.  The current version is accurate, but outdated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.97.250.169 (talk) 02:17, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  US regulations. 

message: Someone please fix interwiki on this article, it has wrong interwiki and cannot be sync automatically by bot. Aris riyanto (talk) 12:41, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  interwiki 

message: Page is badly in need of citation, is far from meeting Wikipedia quality standards. Please do not revert "citation needed" tags, instead help improve the article by adding citations for each factual statement given.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.34.107 (talk) 06:30, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation 

message: I cam here looking for information on when it began to be used, etc. Failed. Dougweller (talk) 11:49, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a section on the history of artificial flavor 

message: The introduction to this Flavor article references seven basic tastes.  However the referenced Basic tastes section of the Taste article states that there are five basic tastes - umami being the fifth taste recognized.   The Basic tastes section goes on to note that in Chinese influenced countries pungency is traditionally considered a sixth taste.  "Metallicness", listed in this Flavor article as one of the seven basic tastes, is listed in the Further sensations section of the Taste article (along with pungency, coolness, and six other taste-related sensations.  I recommend modifying this Flavor article to reflect the five basic tastes statement of the Taste article.Penelope Gordon (talk) 06:18, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of basic tastes 

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message: If you read the article, you will see that it actually is about food additives, rather than about sensory impression. About the sensory perception we already have Taste and Sweetness (and Odor and Sense of smell as well).
This article may be renamed flavoring or food flavoring. I would prefer the last.--Wickey (talk) 16:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The current article's content is entirely about artificial flavorings. Unless it is expanded to include natural flavorings, it should be moved to artificial flavorings. If it is expanded to include natural flavorings, I agree that food flavoring would be a more suitable name. --Macrakis (talk) 17:02, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What you say is not correct. Their is no exclusion here, neither there is a separate article about artificial or natural flavorings. Also the dictinction itself is artificial. :-) --Wickey (talk) 17:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope of the article 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved, but to Flavoring rather than Flavorings (closed by non-admin page mover)     Kadzi   (talk) 08:32, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Flavor →  – More unambiguous. Wickey (talk) 15:48, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Also @BarrelProof, I gave two sources why both are synonyms. The renaming is just because of the ambiguous meaning of 'flavor'. --Wickey (talk) 12:36, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

text: *I support moving the disambiguation page as well. Rreagan007 (talk) 21:46, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Because titles are usually singular, with a few exceptions per WP:SINGULAR. And this topic does not fall into any of the exceptions. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 2 April 2022 

message: I have not seen a single argument for why the plural should not be used for this class of flavorings. I suggest to read Wikipedia:Naming conventions (plurals). --Wickey (talk) 15:45, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Because titles are usually singular, with a few exceptions per WP:SINGULAR. And this topic does not fall into any of the exceptions. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plural or singular? 

message: User:Rreagan007 persists in removing flavor and flavour as synonyms. As I have already showed, they are genuine synonyms ,  and it is easy to give plenty other examples.
, , , , .  
This article has suffered from this confusion for a long time, has caused many wrong wikilinks and wrong interwiki links as well (the last are corrected now). --Wickey (talk) 13:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synonym flavor