Talk:Vereniging Martijn

message: The Dutch article can be read as propaganda for pedophilia, mostly. It mentions "four guidelines for responsible sex with children". Experts in the field know that such guidelines are use to comfort pedophiliacs, to relieve their conscience. What they do is exactly opposite to what is suggested here, where it's suggested pedophiliacs should talk about their feelings to "normal people" to adjust their belief systems and make them feel that sex with kids is not ok. The guidelines do exactly the opposite. These guidelines are publised on nl.wikipedia.org without much criticism.
I have been criticizing this for the last year. This resulted in me being blocked from wikipedia for some time. Somehow, there's a group of people who turn back my changes within seconds, and who maintain the general tendency of the article as a pedophilia advertisement.
Theres a similar problem with the article on pedophilia in the Dutch wikipedia. I think that in order to keep wikipedia proper and objective, pedophilia propaganda should not be present.
X10 10:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Dutch article 

message: Can someone please remove the line on anti pedophilia activism by a group called "stop Martijn", organized by a group called "Nieuw Rechts"? This latter group is a neo nazi group that uses anti-pedophilia activism in order to find themselves in respectable company, for once. I suspect that the reason for mentioning this group, rather than mentioning the numerous other action groups and opponents, is to make opponents of child abusers look like fascists. 
X10 10:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the line. If there needs to be criticism in the article that's fine, but it should not be fake criticism that neo nazis have used for their own cause. X10 20:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. To claim criticism is only from other extreme minority groups is untrue and deceitful, it promotes pro-pedophilia activism, SqueakBox 20:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree. Listing a fringe group as the only opposition gives undue weight to the view that only fringe groups oppose this organization. Better to leave it out.  ·:·Will Beback  ·:· 21:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate. X10 21:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Activism 

message: SqueakBox, you made a change from "acceptance" to "legalization of pedophilia and etc." Pedophilia is legal in the Netherlands, and it should be, I guess, if it means "being a pedophile". Unfortunately, these people don't have much of a choice. What's illegal is having sexual relationships with children. I think the best text would be to say "... that advocates the legalization of sexual relationships between adults and children". Shorter, easier, more correct. 
I'm not sure this group should have an entry in Wikipedia in the first place, because they're tiny and nobody knows them really, but I'll leave that up to you.  X10 06:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right; I changed it back to (roughly, I think) how it was. Your suggestion is good too; I'm not familiar with what exactly Martijn advocates or not. --Askild 15:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They advocate that sex with minors should be legal. Most of the members have a history of active pedophilia, some are convicted child abusers. They are similar to NAMBLA, i.e. pro child abuse activists. X10 23:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legalize 

message: Hi,
The article has two POV tags and no explanation of this on the talk page - which must be present. I propose to remove the POV tag within a week unless the required explanation is added in the mean time. Regards, 77.251.89.152 (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV tag 

message: Vereniging MARTIJN is their official name as can be seen on their website: http://www.martijn.org/page.php?id=203000 (English section). SpeakFree (talk)  00:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Wny? If it's an acronym, then maybe. If it's just an idiosyncratic typography, we shouldn't rename it necessarily. An important data point would be how most of the sources render the name. Herostratus (talk) 02:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename to Vereniging MARTIJN please 

message: This category is listed because the article has a section about the committee Stop MARTIJN (which previously was a separate article). SpeakFree (talk) 19:25, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Category:Anti-pedophile activism

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