Talk:Dalai Lama/Archive 2

message: I think the first sentence and paragraph here could be improved. It's quite technical, invoking 2 specialist terms (tulku and Gelugpa). For the average reader who knows nothing about Buddhism, it could be a little off-putting. Maybe there could be a sentence before it saying something about the Dalai Lama being the traditional spiritual leader of the Tibetan people. Just a suggestion. 62.231.39.150 09:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The start could be better 

message: Would be good to put the two translations together, "Ocean (of) wisdom", or something like that, instead of completely leaving the reader in the dark. Just a thought...
194.60.106.5 11:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dalai Lama translation 

message: Someone has added notes about CIA links back in late 1950's.  I guess I don't see the point.  Does it really belong? Csbodine 08:35, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not about the Dalai Lama as an office, so no. Mark1 14:05, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I added the CIA info, why was it taken out?  I see it as a relevant point and even an historical info, and as something that could add more that one dimension about political/terrenal issues about the Dalai Lama/Tibet .
Acrilico 01:39, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

text: This article is about the office of the Dalai Lama, not what the government led by a particular Dalai Lama did in the 1950s. Mark1 02:16, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the CIA links are quite properly placed on the page of the 14th/current Dalai Lama article but may also be something that should be placed here perhaps in a new sub-heading called Controversy or some such (see the NPOV concern which I will be placing above). Tenzin Gyatso has admitted to receiving money from the US through the CIA and the training of resistance fighters in a Colorado facility all taking place back in the 1960's. See the article on Tenzin Gyatso as well as the links in that article for further details regarding the CIA connection.
Ma'ath'a'yü (aka: Proofing) 15:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to CIA 

message: OH, great. Now this article just went into the CIA leaks. Who do we think we are, detectives? Please remove this article.
:Please sign articles in the future as it helps to follow the flow of dialogue. You can do this easily by adding 4 tildas (~~~~) after your comment on the edit screen. Thanks. 
:See my entry above in "Links to CIA" regarding this. It is not a matter of personal knowledge from playing detective in the bushes (which would be a violation of Wikipedia content guidelines). Such a connection between the CIA and the 14th Dalai Lama having occurred is not in dispute as it has been admitted to by the 14th Dalai Lama. The question is where that factual information should be placed. Not including it would likely violate the NPOV as it has probable bearing on some of the PRC position as regards the Dalai Lama and Tibet. Hope that clarifies it. --Ma'ath'a'yü (aka: Proofing) 08:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIA Links? 

message: Can someone please explain the relationship between Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama?
Also, as for the lottery selection system in front of the Chinese Emperor, does it only apply to Panchen Lama? or it applies to Dalai Lama as well?
Every new Panchen/Dalai Lama must be officially recognized by current Chinese Emperor? When did this tradition begin?
thanks—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.163.94.3 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 22 December 2005.
: The Imperial Ordinance promulgated by Qianlong Emperor in 1793 stated that the selection of the Dalai Lama, the Panchen Lama and other high-rank lamas shall be made by means of the Golden Urn lottery[M.C. Goldstein, 'A history of modern Tibet', p44, n13].--219.79.166.53 02:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, and what does this emperor have to do with that? rudy 20:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama 

message: So far as I know they are the leaders of different branches of Lamaism. And why can I see Tibet as part of China on maps published by the government of ROC on Taiwan? My friend told me Buddhists are not allow to kill, but why can lamas kill slaves? Ain't they Buddhists? Or their religion is quite different from other Buddhisms? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.106.114.254 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 28 December 2005.
:Well, just for clarity for anyone else who might be reading this, the Panchen Lama is not the leader of a different branch of Tibetan Buddhism. Rather the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama are both part of the Gelug sect, and they are traditionally involved in finding the replacement for the other. You might be thinking of the controversy over the recognition of the Karmapa, who is the leader of a different sect, and which the Dalai Lama has involved himself in. However, note that, in that case, the Dalai Lama and the Chinese government are on the same side. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 03:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can any one tell me how Dalai gains the power to select Panchen? 

message: It seems to me that use of the word "incarnation" without qualification creates some major baggage. When we say that the current Dalai Lama is an "incarnation" of past Dalai Lamas, we're making some pretty specific metaphysical claims, are we not?
194.60.106.5 09:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unqualified Use of "incarnation" 

message: Tibet's Contribution to World Culture
Ramashray 11:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  where to add this article link ? 

message: :[Editors who remove non-vandalistic talk, e.g, the following, w/o explanation, are candidates for being blocked, regardless of the merits of the deleted material. --Jerzy•t 11:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see the incident report linked to below for explanation of why this link has been removed.  --He:ah? 21:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: link

message: Note that the spellings on the list of previous and currents Dalais Lama was recently changed; the new spelling is according to the official PRC romanisation of Tibetan. The matter is being discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Naming conventions (Tibetan), because it relates directly to the recently proposals for  Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Tibetan). - Nat Krause(Talk!) 23:18, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The changes by the anonymous user 138.110.75.90 (Mount Holyoke College) didn't make sense. He/she should have looked at the column headings. But I've changed the table again. I've removed the links from the official spellings and put them into the right column. —Babelfisch 01:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of the names of the Dalai Lamas 

message: What happens if the declared Dalai Lama's parents do not wish to let their child become Dalai Lama? Or this has never happened? --A Sunshade Lust 01:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know the details, but I doubt this has ever happened. Generally, the search party would research all the details of the child's life, including his family, and so they would know if the family is religious. From a secular perspective, it would be foolish for them to choose a child whose parents would resist the idea. From a religious perspective, I imagine that it is assumed that the deceased lama will himself choose to be born into a family that believes in reincarnated lamas.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 07:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selecting the new Dalai Lama 

message: Why did so many of the Dalai Lamas die young? Is the spirit of Dalai Lama suicidal?
:This is purely speculative of course, but some people say that intrigues tended to be very widespread in the highest circles in Tibet, and the use of poison was unfortunately well-known... rudy 22:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Died Young 

message: Is the Dalai Lama a vegetarian?
:No.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 07:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One gets hepatitis A usually from eating infected food or infected water; who knows if that was food or drink taken during a tantric practice or ceremony. If you think of sex, NO, a monk like the Dalai Lama is celibate. rudy 20:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: People claim all kinds of things, and perhaps some have not been celibate, but were they monks? By definition in the monks vows, when they would have sex they are not monks anymore. Please don't try to project this kind of slander onto the Dalai Lama. rudy 20:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: So it's OK to be a vulture in buddhism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.103.36 (talk) 23:01, 12 June 2007
Let me quote the Venerable Dhammika in his book titled, Good Questions, Good Answers, 
"Devadatta (the cousin of the Buddha) told the Buddha there should be five more rules added to the fledgling code of conduct for bhikkhus. One of these five was that monks should no longer be permitted to eat meat or fish. The Buddha turned down this demand, stating monks should eat whatever is offered by the lay community. He said the only time they should refuse meat or fish from the laity was when it was killed for them; neither should they desire to kill for food themselves. The refusal of the Buddha to concede these demands led not only to the first schism in the sangha, but also led Devadatta, in his frustration at not being successful in starting his own sangha, to try to take the life of the Buddha."
Yes; and it's OK for Buddhist clergy to have sex too? Why because the Buddha himself had plenty of sex because he had many children. 81.158.47.214 16:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It perhaps should be noted - for this discussion only, not in the article - that in the modern Korean tradition, some sects of Buddhist monks are allowed to marry, though it is preferred that both husband and wife are monk and nun. There are some temples throughout Korea that are seen over by monastic families - monk/nun father and mother, and their monk/nun childern. Some of these temples have some of the oldest Buddhist relics left in the country, especially around the northern areas of Jirisan. --Bentonia School 18:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vegetarian 

message: Reverted after vandalism making false claims. The only reason I could see against this would be if, in fact, he is the world's "Foremost authority on the Rubik's cube" and can "Solve it in under 20 seconds"
--ReviewDude 18:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted after vandalism. 

message: I just stopped a minor vandalism in History, can somebody with more skill please revert this? 62.251.15.186 16:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is the vandalism? Khoikhoi 07:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Vandalism 

message: I took the liberty to sprotect this article against vandalism by people who are unregistered, as this page is vandalised several times per week; hope it helps...rudy 22:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Measure against vandalism 

message: Having read the article, I haven't a clue what the Dalai Lama is. I need this for a school project, and to me the language uses her is jibberish. It needs a good edit.
I second your motion. This article is surprisingly unencyclopedic. If I didn't have a broad background on the Dalai Lama, I wouldn't understand this article as it is a mere list of facts. --SvenGodo 19:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't understand