Talk:Kong Hee

message: According to Doctor of Theology, it is "not customary" to use the title Dr. (Doctor) for Th.D holder. Is there any different view on this? --Vsion 07:16, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: CHC website does not use Dr., it just use Rev. Kong Hee. We should follow the proper title of his. Use the standards of Doctor of Theology, some ministries of CHC uses doctor and some do not. I would like to repeat myself again, just follow what the official manner is. --Terence Ong 13:48, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor title 

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kong Hee  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  15:23, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD discussion 

message: There are some facts and figures that need to be cited, particularly the church attendance, the reach of his show and what he has done. - 218.186.9.5 06:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are already citations from the Charisma Magazine and Ministries Today Magazine. Which particular area or figures in the article needs to be cited with third party sources?
Jing13 aka Mata 04:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: Bulk of the article is talking about Kong Hee's education, positions held etc. I do not see a tag for "Notability". 
Other then using the web page of City Harvest Church (Kong Hee being the Church Founder) as sources,  Charisma Magazine and Ministries Today Magazine has also been quoted.
121.6.86.90 13:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of "Notability Tag" 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:KongHee 2006.jpg

message: Chanjcv (talk) 07:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Point of clarification of Kong Hee's article on Wikipedia 

message: Kong Hee is accused of plagiarism by an "anonymous blogger"?  How is that considered a reliable source?  Further, the line "Neither Kong Hee nor City Harvest Church has refuted the allegations to date" is question begging.  SQGibbon (talk) 06:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: To Sg Blogger, good catch on the repeated info, but is there any source on the publisher's admitting the oversight? Please list the resource here so that when someone else tries to add it back in we can point it out to them.Zhanzhao (talk) 04:55, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegations of Plagiarism  

message: (1) Hello 116.197.231.130, why this section must be removed from Kong Hee wiki article? I think you attempted to whitewash this article? Kimberry352 (talk) 10:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Under Police Investigation for Misuse of Funds

message: I see that new Wiki editors attempt to add some information that must be checked for reliability and relevance. Recently, there are many edits made including deletion and reverts to remove inaccurate/unreliable information or vandalism. I feel that Kong Hee wiki article should be semi-protected so that new editors may not be able to vandalize or add unreliable information in this wiki article. Hope to hear your comment. Thank you. Kimberry352 (talk) 08:43, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Can Kong Hee wiki article be semi-protected for the time being?

message: Please have a look at this page:
http://www.chc.org.sg/english/church.cfm
There seems to be quite a bit on Kong Hee's wiki page which read similarly to what's written on the church's official intro page. Yuyudevil 04:58, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Another editor previously removed a section on plagiarism some time ago. As there has been new updates on this issue on today's papers (if there's a news link in the future would appreciate if someone can add that in as well), I've re-added that section. The apology by the publisher for not noticing the plagiarism is not a good reason to remove the section. Note that there was additional detail to the case (i.e. the correspondence between the authors and the reporter), which I purposely left out as it does not directly relate to the subject's plagiarism. The current version is as NPOV as I can possibly make it. Lets keep to the bare facts this time, fellow editors.Zhanzhao (talk) 02:01, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The physical news paper is a reliable source. But the link to the paid version of the article should be removed.Zhanzhao (talk) 10:00, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, I'm fine with your corrections. SQGibbon is the one who said he couldn't see the source content. So, I got hold of it and put it on google doc. Ahnan (talk) 10:36, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism 

message: Please keep to the necessary detail and not needlessly pad the article. I.e. number people questioned only needs to be mentioned once. If no arrests have been made, the fact need not be pointed out explicitly as it understood. Same with mention of legal representation, which is common for people being investigated (see the Durai and Ming Yi who also had legal representation). Unless the mention has any special meaning (i.e. the lawyer has done anything that is notable in the context of the article).
With regards to the reverts on Feb 19 of the edits by Netizen22, please note the following: 
1) It is not necessary to mention how long the investigation has taken as it is still a current event. The article does not mention that the investigation has closed, so readers can infer that investigations are still ongoing.
2) Stating the drop in membership in the section about the investigation is WEASEL wording meant to draw some correlation between the two. Unless properly referenced, this inference is OR. Anyway church membership information should go under the church's article, since it has an article of its own.
3) The section about Sun Ho's career is uncited. Please provide proper sources. Plus plrease read up on the type of prose to be used in Wikipedia. things like "but", "although", "however" should be avoided where possible.
Zhanzhao (talk) 15:56, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Fund Probe

message: Its a bad idea to create a separate sub heading just for the honorary doctorate, so I lumped it all under one sub heading, "Educational Qualifications and Awards". It eas awarded by an educational institute. Unless so eone thinggs that belongs to a sub-heading of its own? Feel free to discuss. Zhanzhao (talk) 09:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Honorary Doctorate. 

message: Note that I have undone the last 2 edits by NCXShawn, one for removing content which was properly sourced to a tertiary source (though I have updated the reference as the old one had expired). The 2nd was because it was based on info from a video form the church itself, making it a Primary Source as per WP:WPNOTRS. The 2nd part should only be re-introduced if there is a tertiary source covering it. Zhanzhao (talk) 23:13, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits by NCXShawn 

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By June 2012, Kong Hee and five other members of the church were arrested by the CAD. The crossover project explained by the accused was meant to expand their congregation locally and overseas. However, the music video China Wine had no isolable religious or Christian influences. It became questionable to some church members how was the music video funded.  These complaints[chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/http://app.msf.gov.sg/Portals/0/Summary/pressroom/MediaCoverage/Jul2012/100712%20ST%20pA3%20City%20Harvest%20probe%20triggered%20by%20complaints.pdf City Harvest probe ‘triggered bycomplaints, not governance review’A2TTOOPPOOFFTTHHEENNEEWWSSTUESDAY,  JULY   10,  2012TUESDAY,  JULY   10,  2012TTOOPPOOFFTTHHEENNEEWWSSA3] were investigated by authorities to determine if there were misuse of church funds. All five faced multiple charges of criminal breach of trust, while three (not including Kong Hee) face multiple charges of falsifying accounts of the church. They were released on $500,000 bail initially, while each of the three counts of criminal breach of trust Kong faced involved a maximum sentence of life imprisonment with a fine.
On the same day as the initial arrests, the COC released a press statement detailing the results of its inquiry. It stated that there were misconduct and mismanagement in the administration of the charity. There were irregularities of at least $23 million in the charity's funds, which were used to finance Sun Ho's secular music career. There was also a concerted effort to conceal this movement of funds from stakeholders. Eight members were suspended under the Charities Act from their duties with the charity including the five arrested, Sun Ho and two others. The judge denied an appeal by the defence, stating that the six had been dishonest in the use of the money by using Xtron as a "shell company" to enable the misuse of church funds.http://m.todayonline.com/worldcup/singapore/city-harvest-church-trial-resume-mondayhttp://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/prosecution-wraps-up-case/991282.html
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thread_title:  Parked text 

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thread_title:  Cleanup April 2016 

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