Talk:Brazilian National Anthem

message: What was exactly the problem with the translation beside the original lyrics? Can I put it back?
--FernandoAires 15:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just submited a translation prepared by the Brazilian Embassy in London. Also changed the design of the page based on the one used in the translation of the Portuguese National Anthem
--Leandroluso 04:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

text: "Lábaro" means flag. This word is commonly used to refer to the Roman Empire Army's standard, after the convertion to Christianism. --FernandoAires 16:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the comment on the "the star-spangled banner". What's wrong with "the starry flag"? And the translation of this part changed so much of the original grammar that the contents of the side-to-side verses do not match. 201.41.232.207 07:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the translation 

message: Isn't this article more apropriate for wikisource? Just wondering. PHF 04:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikisource 

message: As said above, and according to the official site of the Brazilian Government , the first verse is "Ouviram do Ipiranga as margens plácidas". Also, I think that the English translation could be changed to reflect that. --Dpc01 02:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First verse 

message: By changing the order of some words (just the order, not the content) you can make the english verses gain musicality, as it's intended in the original portuguese. It would be better this way, look:
"If we have fulfilled the promise
of equality by our mighty arms,
in thy bosom, O freedom,
our brave breast death itself shall defy!" instead of "our brave breast shall defy death itself!"
There are more cases where this can be done.  I'll rephrase them in three days if no one says a thing (and I guess no one probably will since this page isn't amongst the most viewed, huh?). Dualistico 21:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musicality 

message: Aside from the lyrics, isn't it a distinctive, unconventional tune? I distinctly remember reading an article about national anthems a while ago, where a bunch of composers, musicologists &c decided that this was the "masterpiece of the genre" or something similar. Possibly on BBC News, though I can't find it on the site, and Google yields nothing.  Anyway, it might be good to have something about the music itself in the article, as opposed to just the lyrics. 90.201.136.137 (talk) 23:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  That would make sense, considering it's the only national anthem I'm familiar with that is a march, while most others sound like waltzes. It's pretty unique. lampi (talk) 04:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tune 

message: By restoring the regular (i.e. non-Parnassian) word ordering, the first verse states:
"As margens plácidas do Ipiranga ouviram o brado retumbante de um povo heróico", 
revealing that the "de" in "do" (de+o) is a preposition of the Genitive case ("de posse"), *not* Origin case ("de origem"). "Do" is used to indicate that the "placid river banks" are those belonging to the Ipiranga river. This is reinforced by the fact that the independence cry was performed by Dom Pedro right at the river banks of Ipiranga. It makes no sense to say "From Ipiranga, the placid river banks heard" (which implies "Ipiranga" and "placid river banks" are separate locations) because said river banks are part of the Ipiranga; the scream was let out at that very place. lampi (talk) 19:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: So it should be "Ouviram as margens do Ipiranga..." istead of "Ouviram do Ipiranga as margens plácidas...", because in Portuguese, the owned thing precedes the owner.
Em português, a coisa possuída precede o possuidor, estabelecendo entre ambos uma conexão através do conectivo de (o carro de João); porém, em inglês, possuidor precede a coisa possuída, fazendo a conexão relacional entre os termos através do acoplamento do ’s ao possuidor (“João’s car”). Por isso, fica-nos evidente que as estruturas se diferem pela inversão sintático-estrutural no posicionamento do possuidor e da coisa possuída,
Marília Dias Ferreira - Estruturas Sintáticas Marcadoras de Posse em Português e em Inglês - p. 2
Universidade Federal do Triângulo Mineiro
--Luizdl (talk) 21:44, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Margens plácidas do Ipiranga 

message: The article does not deal in detail with the several unnofficial lyrics that were proposed to the anthem both in the Imperial and Republican eras, instead focusing on the the official anthem. Accordingly I today removed a section that had been added without prior discussion. The section now removed dealt with the unofficial lyrics that were once proposed (circa 1880) to the instrumental introduction of the national anthem. That section was poorly written, probably by a Portuguese native speaker with insufficient English language skills, and contained several false cognates. I could have fixed the vocabulary, but opted to remove the section. I did so not only because the inclusion had not been debated in the talk page, but mainly because it contained incorrect information. It stated that the anthem's instrumental introduction "had" lyrics, that were later not included when the present official lyrics of the whole anthem were adopted. Well, that is not the case. The proposed lyrics of the unofficial introduction were never more than a proposal. So the anthem did not have have said lyrics. Accordingly, this proposal should not be treated different when compared to other proposals. The fact that lyrics were proposed to the instrumental introduction may be interesting, but the fact remained that, under the directives in force at the time (during the reign of Emperor Pedro II), the anthem was to be played without lyrics. 
189.122.100.112 (talk) 16:13, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Unofficial lyrics and the unofficial lyrics of the instrumental introduction to the anthem

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message: Why is it that the title of this article is in English, but the title of the Mexican National Anthem is in  Spanish? Shouldn't we make the title of this article in the original language (in this case, Portuguese) too, for the sake of consistency? The G Wikian (talk) 18:39, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
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