Talk:Abe Fortas

message: A record for Fortas' papers at Yale is here http://yufind.library.yale.edu/yufind/Record/614502 and the finding aid for that collection is here: http://hdl.handle.net/10079/fa/mssa.ms.0858
I added a link to the finding aid in the external links section.
Should a mention be added in the section about the papers request from the LBJ Library?
Smatheson (talk) 15:10, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: External Link Added

message: The stub of a section on Fortas views of Executive power seems pointless to me.  In the first place, the flat statement in the first sentence is NOT supported by the quote that follows.  The view that historically the growth of executive power in the mid-20th century was necessary, does not necessarily translate into the belief that the legislature should be "less powerful."  In the second place, the statement seems a throw away.  It is not grounded in any discussion of jurisprudential debate at the time over the expansion of the executive (in part, I would submit, because it was not very controversial at the time) nor in any wider discussion of his ideological or philosophic views.  It seems like just another excuse to quote from Kalman's bitter and critical biography.  TheCormac (talk) 16:42, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Presidential Power?

message: I would appreciate an explationation as to why the statement "filibusters are typically mounted by senators who doubt their ability to prevail on an up or down vote" is inaccurate, as claimed in a recent edit. Also it is indisputed that the Republicans came up with the name "nuclear option" to describe their proposal to effectively change Senate rules. --agr 13:56, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My goodness, changing Senate rules? What a radical thing! 69.253.222.184 (talk) 23:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Alleged inaccuracy

message: What was the name of Fortas' second firm (i.e., the firm he founded after resigning from SCOTUS)?
Fortas and Koven, which was located in Georgetown on 31st Street in the Canal Square building. Fortas practiced there until he died. Wikikd (talk) 17:33, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Fortas' second firm

message: What is meant by "including 200 Johnson votes that had been cast in alphabetical order"?  Perhaps this could be clarified. blahpers 21:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Corruption clarification

message: I removed this section and was soon after reverted.  I have once again removed the information.  The article here is about the life and times of Abe Fortas, Supreme Court justice.  As such, the article should be about him and only him plus his legacy.  The 2005 information is about filibusters.  Now granted, the Fortas filibuster was discussed during the debate over whether or not to change the rules, but Fortas himself had no role in that debate.  It was not his actions that were under review, merely an action taken in response to his nomination.  Therefore, the fact that this filibuster would be discussed at a later date is not apart of Fortas's legacy.  The wikipedia page on the senate filibuster needs to cover the 2005 developments, Fortas's page does not.  There is quite simply no relation to Fortas's life and legacy and the fact that people wanted to change the filibuster rules at a later date. Indrian 15:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The precedent set by the filibuster of the Fortas Chief Justice nomination is part of his legacy and arguably his most lasting place in American history. The fact that this event became part of a major news story in 2005, 23 years after his death is notable and worthy of inclusion in his bio.  To exclude all reference to its current significance would be a disservice to our readers.  I would agree that the section you deleted is too long and only a summary of the arguments is needed here.--agr 17:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am still not convinced that this is the proper place for this analysis, but the compromise you have set worth is satisfactory to me for the moment.  I have slightly tweaked the section to tie it into his life a little more in the introductory sentence and to remove the heading, which seems to give unecessary focus to this issue since no other headings are found in the article. Indrian 19:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 2005 filibuster stuff

message: I've added that Fortas joined the armed forces in 1945, but was discharged after a month. This is from  the Court's official bio. What I cannot readily confirm is the allegation that this was a ruse to get him out of the service very early. The Blue Oyster Cult song "Harvester of Eyes". written by Richard Meltzer, with the line "I'm the eye-man of TV, with my ocular TB," makes reference to this....Meltzer says the televised Senate confirmation hearings on Fortas inspired the lyrics. It's just interesting, but not relevant to the article. But..someone should know! Scott Clarkson 13:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Military service

message: I think the use of the word "secret" in secret payment biases the text. Fortas accepted a payment from Wolfson, not sure on what basis it would be called "secret." Also, this language "expected that his arrangement with Fortas would help him stave off criminal charges or help him secure a presidential pardon;" was an allegation, not a fact. Those seeking Fortas' resignation (I would say "seat" but that would be biased) alleged that it was accepted in exchange for such "service" but this was never proved. Fortas did recuse himself from the matter when it came before the bench. So, I'd lose the word "secret" above and add the word "alleged" below.
Wikikd 02:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Language bias in Resignation paragraph text

message: A temporary subpage at User:Polbot/fjc/Abe Fortas was automatically created by a perl script, based on this article at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges. The subpage should either be merged into this article, or moved and disambiguated. Polbot (talk) 20:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bot-created subpage

message: How in the WORLD is there not an iota of mention of the ethics problems of Fortas that caused his nomination to be revoked?  This is an amazing omission.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.164.83.136 (talk) 19:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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thread_title: Absence of Ethics problems discussion

message: "Fortas was the architect and author of the broader landmark majority opinion in Epperson v. Arkansas that eventually emerged banning religiously-based creation narratives from public school science curricula."
This isn't what the case did at all, the case simply overturned laws banning the teaching of evolution in public schools (so-called Monkey Laws).  Perhaps an edit should be made to reflect this.  See Epperson v. Arkansas#Consequences  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.206.92.227 (talk) 23:17, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual inaccuracy in Epperson v. Arkansas section 

message: I am finally reading Stanley Karnow's book about the Viet Nam war. On page 436 he makes an interesting case that during the period of time that LBJ was making the decisions that escalated the Viet Nam war his closest and most influential advisor was Abe Fortas. I am surprised that there is no mention of this on his Wikipedia page. I don't feel it is my place to edit the page myself. I am not an expert on the Johnson presidency or the history of the Supreme Court. I am requesting that someone who is look it over, and decide if this information be included.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.61.20.206 (talk) 13:17, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role as Johnson's advisor in Viet Nam 

message: wasn't this an extremely important case involving Abe Fortas?  is there a reason why it isn't mentioned?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.121.191 (talk) 18:18, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Afroyim v. Rusk exists. Did Fortas have an important role in the case? - Location (talk) 19:46, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFROYIM v. RUSK 

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message: The image of Abe Fortis' house in Georgetown as shown on Fortis' Wikipedia webpage is the same as the image of John Mitchel's house as shown on Mitchel's Wikipedia's webpage.  If the townhouse was owned previously by Fortis, then owned by Mitchel, I believe that fact should be noted on each of their separate Wikipedia webpages. Did they each own it in different years or is it an error on one or the other's page, where only one owned it? 23.93.66.47 (talk) 20:05, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of  Abe Fortis' / John Mitchel's house