Talk:Toxin

message: Outrageous! There are so many! Toxins have been detected in babies fresh from the womb... the mothers and most of us are polluted by the very air, water, food, and world around us. Medication alone! We should all be talking about this subject.
--24.82.92.62 (talk) 05:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NOTHING under Environmental Toxins???

message: For informtion:  Toxins are substances that are biological in origin, whereas chemicals that harm the body are correctly called toxicants.  It appears to be a common mistake to use the word toxin to mean all harmful exogenous agents rather than correctly differenciating between the two.  In some cases precision is needed:  for example murcury is a toxicant, but methylmercury can be produced by plankton from mercury, a biological system and it is therefore a toxin. 
Talking about Environmental toxins is incorrect, when we mean products of anthropogenic activity:  we should talk about Enviromental toxicants. Does this differentiation serve only to confuse? 
Gonzo
78.150.243.171 (talk) 10:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toxins and toxicants 

message: Is anyone familiar with bacterial toxins? Are they actually produced with the purpose of self-defense as opposed to just being present in the structural components or a by-product of its metabolism?
:It can be both. Especially fungi makes lot of toxin for bacterial defence, and some bacteria also do it against 'each other'. But as you yourself point out, they can be byproducts of their own metabolismen, which is excreted. I study biology at the University of Copenhagen. ----
::What do bacterial toxins consist of?  Are they neurotoxic?  Hematotoxic?  Irritants?-Rolypolyman 00:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a separate article about bacterial toxins.  NighthawkJ 00:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bacterial toxins

message: It would seem that "toxin" is being confused with "poison" and with "toxic".  Several comments are actually about toxic substances, e.g., "mercury" is a toxic substance.  However, toxins are normally poisons that are produced by bioligical means.  Snake venom, botulinin toxin (common food poisoning), etc.  I will try to clarify some of the paragraphs as time allows. This is only a subtle difference, but when researching one will quickly find the terms used in a clear range in significant articles. El guero "Wayne"
:You're absolutely right. I corrected the article by merging with biotoxin (redundant) and copyediting appropriately. – ClockworkSoul 02:08, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Toxin, Poison, Toxic

message: I wonder if the word 'phycotoxin' should appear in this definition.  there is no separate entry for this word, yet I came across this word in a book proposal today. it is basically a synonym for 'seafood toxin' zuzubel 19:54, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Phycotoxin inclusion

message: The type of toxin in venomous fish.   Another one is Stonustoxin. Don't know enough about this subject. Perhaps this belongs in in Neurotoxin.Johnvr4 (talk) 03:46, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Verrucotoxin inclusion

message: Not accurate to say that "When toxins are generated by bacteria, they are called toxoids." Toxoids are toxins that have been modified to make them non-harmful without removing their ability to induce an immune response (as, in fact, described on the Wikipedia page for toxoids).
Sophisticated penguin 15:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Toxoids

message: As the text points out, toxins are biological substances made by cells. But does this mean that virus' are also toxins? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.165.143.108 (talk) 14:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because the production of viral particles by an infected cell is a result of a specific pathological process, a viral infection. The definition of viruses as living organisms is problematic, as because they have no own metabolism, can't multiply without host cell and are not cells at all. Yet, viruses are clearly considered by most (in fact all known to my) biologist to be one of the lowest forms of life (along with prions), therefore, a virus is considered to be an organism.
Toxin is also considered a defined molecule; viruses are not defined molecules, they are composed of more, if not many, molecules.--84.163.109.68 22:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vira = Toxins? 

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: * http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+paralytic+shellfish+poisoning+toxin&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
--58.38.42.115 (talk) 06:16, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The info of PSP toxins... 

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--58.38.42.115 (talk) 06:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The infos of ASP toxin 

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--58.38.42.115 (talk) 06:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The infos of DSP toxins... 

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--58.38.42.115 (talk) 07:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red links in the ''See also'' section are based on the following... 

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--58.38.42.115 (talk) 08:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toxins from meat.... 

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--58.38.42.115 (talk) 08:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Food toxins.... 

message: Isn't this picture (used in the article) also the "universal warning symbol" for pirates?  I mean, is this really the "universal warning symbol" for toxins?   --159.178.246.210 (talk) 13:10, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  universal warning picture 

message: I'm going to delete the above: it is 180° misleading, per the opening text of the article. Spicemix (talk) 19:52, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dangerous substances symbol 

message: Substituted at 09:07, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Why isnt alcohol mentioned?
Just granpa (talk) 01:31, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcohol 

message: Paragraph or sub-article Finding information about toxins should be removed from this article as it pertains only to US of America. English Wikipedia is for all English-understaning world, i.e. pretty much all of it, and for most of it this passus in this article is of no use or information whatsoever, contradicting so wikipedian core principles. If there were article Toxins in US of America or smth, would be OK. 
And really, is alcohol toxin on not? It is produced within and by living organisms, it kills some organisms, it consists of molecules, so why not? BirgittaMTh (talk) 19:40, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  American POV is not neutral POV 

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message: Morning glory is the common name for over 1,000 species of flowering plants, Fortunately, eating morning glory flowers is not dangerous, But The Seeds Are Poisonous If Consumed And Can Cause Hallucinations. There are also insects that like to eat through the leaves and stem of the morning glory.
Toxicologist Kamori (talk) 19:27, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morning Glory 

message: Twice today I have had to restore the previous wording, as supported by Brade 1999, that Brieger was the first to use the term "toxin". Both times my edits were needed to correct your changes, unsupported by Brade 1999, indicating that Brieger was instead the first to use the term :toxicant. -- Paleorthid (talk) 23:18, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brieger 

message: I am dubious that the term toxin applies only to :toxicants produced naturally by an organism. This would seem to exclude naturally occurring mineral toxicants in food like :arsenic and :cadmium. Arsenic is described as a toxin in reliable sources: :WebMD, :Consumer Reports, :PNAS, :ScienceDaily, :Discover Magazine, and :Eos (magazine). Paleorthid (talk) 23:40, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: Arsenic fits this particular dictionary definition of a toxin: "a poisonous substance that is a specific product of the metabolic activities of a living organism". because, according to the WP article on arsenic, arsenic is a toxicant in food because of redox chemistry, chemistry driven by metabolic activities of living organisms. -- Paleorthid (talk) 16:33, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: The argument counter to my proposal: "toxin refers only to those poisonous substances that are produced biologically. Thus, arsenic is a poison but it is not generally called a toxin. Confusingly, while the noun forms “poison” and “toxin” carry a distinction that the latter are of natural origin, the adjective forms “toxic” and “poisonous” are used interchangeably. Arsenic properly can be called a “toxic chemical” or a “toxic substance.” Similarly, the term “toxicant” is often used synonymously with poison. Finally, it should be pointed out that the word “biotoxin” defined as “a poisonous substance produced by a living organism” should be considered redundant"  -- Paleorthid (talk) 20:31, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious