Talk:Strasbourg

message: Amazing that not a word is spared on the ethnicity of the people, their language, their allegiance, or anything remotely threatening to the French overloards of the city and the provincd of Alsace.  Well done Wiki, well done....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:9900:5B67:4464:FBF2:FEB3:33A2 (talk) 00:21, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  And not a word about their language, ethnicity 

message: There's been tag on the article for a year now, asking for information to be included from the fr.wiki article.  This is almost certainly a good idea, as the fr.wiki article is unsurprisingly much more comprehensive - but which parts in particular would editors like to seen brought over? Knepflerle (talk) 13:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Economy and social structure, in particular. But the history section could still be expanded a lot more. --RCS (talk) 14:30, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion and translation 

message: According to the WP article, Leroux was born in Italy, not Strasbourg. Does anyone know any more than I do about this? LynwoodF. 213.48.46.141 (talk) 11:12, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no one has come up with a justification for the unsubstantiated assertion, I have undone the relevant edit. LynwoodF (talk) 15:23, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xavier Leroux 

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content! Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 09:01, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Strasbourg]] 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There has been a difference of opinion today about the use of this term. Here is my contribution to the discussion:
:"River navigation" is the normal expression in English for what is being discussed. It is perfectly normal in English to use a noun as though it were an adjective in order to modify a following noun. An expression which immediately leapt into my mind was "cliff path". There are plenty more, e.g. "cotton socks".
:"Fluvial" is used in English chiefly in geological expressions. See The Oxford Dictionary of English.
LynwoodF (talk) 14:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi , thanks for sharing your view in the talk page instead of reverting. It seems that I was wrong, (and you were right), you are welcome to cancel my edit. Sorry, but being native French speaker, I was misleaded by the word. Sorry for the inconvenience.--Gabriel HM (talk) 15:38, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, . Thank you for your reply. I see that the wording has been changed again. LynwoodF (talk) 16:33, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  River navigation 

message: The geography section of the article starts:
:Strasbourg is on the Eastern border of France, on the Ill River where it flows into the Rhine on the border with Germany, across from the German town Kehl.
My first reaction was to say that is wrong, on the grounds that Ill continues to flow north parallel to the Rhine for c.20km before the two rivers actually meet. But then I began to doubt. Certainly that is what modern maps show, but they also show several waterways linking the two rivers in Strasbourg. Those waterways have canal names, and look like canals, but appearances and names can be deceptive, and it wouldn't be the first time a natural watercourse had been obliterated by its conversion into a much wider and straighter canal.
So I guess my question is, before people started digging extra channels, was there a natural connection between the Ill and the Rhine in Strasbourg, or is the only natural channel of the Ill the one that continues down to Offendorf before entering the Rhine. Either way, I think we need to elaborate that sentence, but best to know the facts (and pick up a cite or two) first. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 16:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a very technical and extensive article from 1919, in French, on the subject. It deals with how in the late 19th-century and early 20th-century Strasbourg created a new port along canals that were specially dug to connect the Ill and the Rhine, whose natural flow had been modified by the Germans. I hope this helps... --Edelseider (talk) 19:13, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

text: And here you can see that the little stream Steingiessen (length: 4.4 km, according to ), which runs through the Strasbourg district of La Robertsau, does indeed connect the Ill and the Rhine through natural means. --Edelseider (talk) 20:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the Ill flow into the Rhine in Strasbourg 

message: Just a remind. Some important naming conventions which the article's lead violates (WP:LEAD#General guidelines and WP:LEAD#Separate section usage): Once a Names or Etymology section or paragraph is created, the alternative English or foreign names should not be moved back to the first line. As an exception, a local official name different from a widely accepted English name should be retained in the lead. (Foreign language: Local name; known also by several alternative names)".' If the case is exceptional, common sense may be applied to ignore all rules. Please discuss to decide if this is an exceptional case.2A02:2430:3:2500:0:0:B807:3DA0 (talk) 03:55, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think this is an issue. The very purpose of an article lead is to summarise the important bits of the following article. And Strasbourg's location on both national and linguistic boundaries is absolutely crucial to any understanding of its story. It would be perverse not to include this in the lead just because of a bit of WP bureaucracy that was clearly intended to discourage inclusion of non-crucial information in the lead. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 12:00, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW perversion means something else, is the comment above something like trolling?2A02:2430:3:2500:0:0:B807:3DA0 (talk) 19:32, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Anonymous users lecturing non-anonymous users cannot be taken seriously. Take an user name like everybody else or stop playing the Wikipedia policeman. --Edelseider (talk) 20:07, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: To my mind, rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of the wise. In my experience,  and  have both done good work on articles connected with Strasbourg and, if they are both happy with the lead, I can tell you all that I am reasonably happy with it too. LynwoodF (talk) 21:47, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you . You certainly speak and act wisely! --Edelseider (talk) 09:44, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

text: Just for the record, perverse in this context means "determined or disposed to go counter to what is expected or desired". No trolling involved. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 10:57, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remind 

message: I made a small mistake with this edit: the author is Noëlla Richard, not Richard Noëlla. See also https://publication-theses.unistra.fr/public/memoires/2012/IEP/2012_RICHARD_Noella.pdf for the full text. --Edelseider (talk) 14:35, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, . I was suspicious about the 30,000, and so I put a tag on the edit, but I thought you would know more about it than I do. I lived in Strasbourg over 50 years ago and things have changed a bit since then! I had a look at the pdf and found it interesting. LynwoodF (talk) 16:16, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenians in Strasbourg 

message: The user keep changing the sentence that was the fruit of a consensus. It is not accurate to state that the region was historically German speaking, since, many Germanic/alemanic languages and to to some extend romances dialects were initially spoken and are still spoken in the area. I tried to change it in many way (Germanic/alemanic) in order to reach a consensus, but he keeps reverting it to his initial edit. And finally attack me on my talk page saying that I'm an anti German person. I want to be clear by saying that the statement that he wants to change was here long before his intervention. And I just tried to keep it this way, I'm not the initiator of this war edit. I invited him many times to settle this issue on the talk page and he refused, preferring personal attacks on my talk page. I insist here by saying that the statement "historically German speaking" is not accurate since the standard German came in the region late and that most of the natives still now are speaking a Germanic dialect at home wich is different from the standard German. It is not correct to reduce the importance, the varieties and the cultural wealth of the different local dialects to the standard German. This German based IP contributor is new to wiki, and he is focused to add the word German, or a German translation of Alsatian names even in articles where a German translation is not relevant. This is not in the charter of Wikipedia to make personal attacks when we have a different on an article. He keeps saying that I should bring sources, eventhough and doesn't have any to sustain his affirmations.--Gabriel HM (talk) 14:54, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, . I have seen some of this dispute going on in various places and I just wanted you to know that I understand what you are saying. We do not seem to know who this IP user is, but he (I definitely think it is a man.) has a poor understanding of historical linguistics and I suspect he has a political agenda. I am sure you know as well as I do the subtleties of the evolving linguistic situation in Alsace. When I lived in Strasbourg more than half a century ago, the default language in many areas of life was Alsatian, which was regarded as a regional language distinct from, although related to, German. As a neutral linguist with no axe to grind, I would regard it as a series of varieties of Alemannic German with an admixture of Gallicisms. Incidentally, the word Francization is regarded in British English as a specifically Canadian term. LynwoodF (talk) 17:09, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  War edit with the German based IP 78.55.50.76 

message: The beginning of the section "1918 to the present" should be reworked. It was apparently written by someone with the aim of downplaying support for France in Strasbourg in 1918. Several points appear dubious or are missing:
* unverifiable parallel history: "It is doubtful whether a referendum in Strasbourg would have ended in France's favour"
* a link to the map of German Reichstag election results in 1912, without explaining the context of that election (in 1912, 41 years after annexation, decline of the autonomist vote everywhere in Alsace, not just Strasbourg, one year before the Saverne Affair which rekindled it, and 2 years before a war nobody in Alsace could have imagined in 1912)
* no mention of the brutal policies of the German Army during WW1 (martial law imposed on the local inhabitants, bad treatment of their conscripts sent to the Eastern front for fear they would desert to the French, etc) which combined with the Saverne Affair greatly antagonized the Alsatians and changed their feelings toward Germany
* no mention of the huge crowds of cheering Strasbourgeois who welcomed the arrival of the French troops in November 1918, and the pro-French fervor which so impressed the American correspondents
ព្រះមហាក្សត្ររាជ (talk) 14:37, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section 1918 to the present 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: As far as I know, Strasbourg is the second river port in France.
Nantes, Rouen and Bordeaux are in Esturies, with sea ships.
According to French wiki, Paris is the first river harbour
( Il est le deuxième port fluvial de France après le Port autonome de Paris et le deuxième port rhénan après Duisbourg .)
2A01:CB10:5AF:8C00:88FF:8A9E:5628:752D (talk) 08:54, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. The person who edited that (now reverted, with new added sources) confused "ports" with "river ports". --Edelseider (talk) 10:14, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  the fourth-largest river port in France after Nantes, Rouen and Bordeaux.  

message: The German name should be given more prominence. It should appear in the native name section of the infobox, and also be put directly after the French name. I'm well aware that Alsace has its own vernacular(s), but Hochdeutsch has been used there intermittently in an official capacity and it is widely taught in schools.-86.180.91.149 (talk) 14:31, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native name etc 

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