Talk:Dubstep

message: The link to chillstep in the infobox redirects back to dubstep. Also, there's no mention of it at all in the rest of the article. SierraXV (talk) 04:25, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox seems to have accumulated quite a bit of cruft. Removed. Kaini (talk) 12:25, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

text: I was quite disappointed to see that one of the most popular subgenres of dubstep doesn't even get a mention let alone it's own page. If anyone wanted more info on chillstep they'd have to go somewhere else besides wikipedia which is a shame because chillstep is definitely notable from reliable sources and distinct from dubstep and its other subgenres. Fans of dubstep are not necessarily fans of chillstep and vice versa. There are many musicians whose genre is only defined as chillstep yet, the lack of mention of chillstep on the dubstep page stands out as misleading and incomplete. I'll look into possibly creating a stand alone wiki page for Chillstep and interlinking it with the dubstep and affiliated subgrenre pages. Admiralfoxlee (talk) 04:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chillstep link 

message: Hey, I was thinking of adding an article to the genre titled 'Gorestep' I have an article too about it and it's been growing as a subgenre in itself. Let me know if you'd need more or better soursed articles 120.147.37.23 (talk) 18:45, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gorestep 

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message: Interest in dubstep has declined dramatically since 2011. Anyone else think the genre's death needs its own section? - HappyWaldo (talk) 12:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: , I agree. I found this article, published all the way back in 2016, that argues it happened around that time. I've added this to the main article 
 By 2016, the genre had declined drastically in popularity, particularly in the United States. 
-- Gokunks (Speak to me) 09:45, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think we should change this section title to "Decline in Mainstream Popularity" considering the genre is still very popular. The current title implies a global decline in popularity whereas the 'underground' (rather, the non-brostep) dubstep community is thriving. The genre certainly isn't dead. - Eartaker (talk) 22:12, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

text: This could be added, though i'm not 100% sure about its reliability. As many people have said, dubstep isn't really dying, it's just not mainstream. I suggest that the 'Decline in popularity' section should be changed to 'Decline in the mainstream' or some other topic to better represent the genre's status. In this section, Rusko's new EP could be added () and Truth in general().
Micro (Talk) 14:03, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

text: Yes I do agree that this section should have been about dubstep's relevance in the mainstream and not in general, I originally asked about that in an earlier reply. What about the article seems dubious? I don't think either of Rusko or Truth's new releases are an indication of the scenes health, thats just two artists. Rusko and Truth are more mainstream, but this section should be about the scene overall. There have been ~40 releases this month alone (if you think the Reddit community /r/realdubstep does a good job at cataloging), plenty of which are on major labels. There isn't much mainstream presence, but there's quite a lot going on in the underground. Eartaker (talk) 09:02, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: While Reddit isn't a good source to use, you could get some info and from the subreddit you stated and see if any of the songs got any coverage. The decline from mainstream could also feature brostep and riddim releases such as Excision, Dion Timmer, Dubloadz, etc as those genres are still relatively popular and there should be reliable coverage on recent releases such as Excision's newest album. Pair that with the references I linked above and the Red Bull article and it should be good. I found some more potentially usable references for this section, including three references for Capsa's Ghost Town EP (2017) and one for Ganja White Night.. Basically the section can be reworked into saying how although dubstep has left the mainstream, various artists still produce the genre, though brostep/riddim tends to be a much more popular subgenre compared to "real" dubstep. 
Micro (Talk) 14:32, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah Reddit itself is obviously not a good source, but I think its a decent reflection of the state of the culture, especially now that dubstepforum is less active. Sites like Duploc and Trusik give very regular coverage in the form of reviews and interviews for the more underground sounds in the scene, e.g. https://trusik.co.uk/2018/03/02/soukah-windowlicka-ep-rare7/ or https://duploc.com/artkl034/. Charts like Beatport have "deep dubstep" as a popular category of "leftfield bass" https://www.beatport.com/genre/leftfield-bass/85/top-100. Yeah thats exactly what this section should be about, the presences is weak in the mainstream but its still being pushed in the underground. Eartaker (talk) 04:06, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

text: Many of the artists listed are red links and should not be mentioned (non-notable). We also need to keep some perspective. See the tiny spike in early 2018? That's the Datsik controversy. That's the most exposure dubstep has received in a long time, hence why it was originally mentioned in the article (has since been removed by another editor, calling it irrelevant information). Enough time has passed for dubstep's decline to be measured and documented. We need even more time before we can assess whether it is or will experience a "renaissance" of any real importance. 01:23, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, the section does need heavy editing, most of the artists listed should either have a wiki article or should have reliable articles about how they make riddim. I was the one who removed the datsik stuff because, in my opinion, it really had nothing to do with dubstep, Datsik just so happened to be a dubstep producer. I was pretty sure that the whole Datsik thing didn't give much exposure to dubstep, because that happened in March, so I looked up a google search restricted to the time frame of the spike (6 May 2018 - 23 June 2018) and it might be because how Deadpool 2 had a whole thing going on with dubstep, I dunno, I didn't see the movie. The whole "renaissance" thing is just an opinion of a riddim artist, pretty much just a placeholder. Micro (Talk) 06:00, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decline/death of dubstep 

message: By 2016, dubstep had declined drastically in popularity, particularly in the United States, where many formerly successful dubstep artists became most popular. Artists such as Skrillex, for instance, moved on to producing tracks for trap and pop artists, while artists such as Mount Kimbie and James Blake shifted their sounds from post-dubstep into more experimental or soulful electronic influenced music. Early influencers and pioneers of dubstep such as Skream and Loefah moved away from the genre, moving onto other genres instead. Loefah stopped playing and producing dubstep and moved onto UK bass music, founding his record label Swamp81 in the process. Skream shifted away from dubstep, choosing to instead produce play largely house and techno music in his DJ sets and releasing various techno songs on Alan Fitzpatrick's record label We Are The Brave.
Various artists continue to produce the genre, including British bass music producer Caspa, who had released his Ghost Town EP released on 17 November 2017. On 4 April 2018, British brostep producer Rusko released his first solo extended play in three years titled Has Made 5 More Songs, which was described as a grime and reggae-infused tribute to the production techniques that popularised dubstep a decade prior. Examples of relatively new artists who produce the genre include Belgian duo Ganja White Night and New Zealand-based duo Truth.
Zha, owner of dubstep and grime record labels Fent Plates, White Peach, and Yellow Flower believed that 2018 and the following years would provide "another golden era" similar to the mid-to-late 2000s with the rise of artists similar to Skream, Mala, Caspa and Rusko. In August 2018, American online music store Beatport added several dubstep-related subgenres to its genre catalogue including 'leftfield bass', 'garage/bassline/grime' and 'deep dubstep'. The subgenres were added to expand upon Beatport's bass music section, which (since 2010) had previously only included dubstep.
In the mid-2010s, riddim emerged as a subgenre of dubstep, with Subtronics, an American producer of the subgenre, describing the subgenre as counter mainstream, saying that "it was cool because it wasn't cool", ultimately describing the subgenre as a re-hashing of the old school style of UK dubstep being introduced back into American culture. the subgenre is usually composed at a tempo of 140–150 beats per minute, with Dave Jenkins of UKF describing the subgenre as Deep, roomy and moody.
Micro (Talk) 11:24, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Many of the artists listed are red links and should not be mentioned (non-notable). We also need to keep some perspective. See the tiny spike in early 2018? That's the Datsik controversy. That's the most exposure dubstep has received in a long time, hence why it was originally mentioned in the article (has since been removed by another editor, calling it irrelevant information). Enough time has passed for dubstep's decline to be measured and documented. We need even more time before we can assess whether it is or will experience a "renaissance" of any real importance. 01:23, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, the section does need heavy editing, most of the artists listed should either have a wiki article or should have reliable articles about how they make riddim. I was the one who removed the datsik stuff because, in my opinion, it really had nothing to do with dubstep, Datsik just so happened to be a dubstep producer. I was pretty sure that the whole Datsik thing didn't give much exposure to dubstep, because that happened in March, so I looked up a google search restricted to the time frame of the spike (6 May 2018 - 23 June 2018) and it might be because how Deadpool 2 had a whole thing going on with dubstep, I dunno, I didn't see the movie. The whole "renaissance" thing is just an opinion of a riddim artist, pretty much just a placeholder. Micro (Talk) 06:00, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decline in mainstream popularity 

message: recentism, not enough solid WP:RS for full article, and it's also essentially dubstep renamed by Americans with no awareness of the music's history. Acousmana (talk) 11:01, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Closing, given the consensus not to merge. Klbrain (talk) 17:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Riddim (EDM)]] into [[Dubstep]] 

message: Dubstep is back on the upswing, with artists like Skrillex back to releasing dubstep albums (Quest for Fire). c.f.  (2018 is very early start of revival era however), . Just something to keep in mind/an eye out for for future expansion to the article.  Nixinova   T   C   01:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  2020s: revival