Talk:Memoirs of a Geisha

message: Should there be a link to the official Sony website? http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/memoirsofageisha/ goodwillstacy 09:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Sony Website Link? 

message: Geishas are not prostitutes as they do not earn their living primarily through giving sexual pleasures to men. They do, however, act as drinking companions, entertainers through dance and drama and letting the men pay to be served as a master or a husband. According to the book ( which I read ), there are instances where a geisha can sell their prized virginity for a price, although this is not necessary in their 'job description'. But that is just my opinion. Read the book, then make your own assumption.
:I found this to be an interesting piece:
"[Arthur Golden] described such practices as 'mizuage' or the selling of a young geisha's virginity to the highest bidder, which she [Iwasaki] has been reported as saying does not exist."
http://www.yahoo.com/s/263263 - AWF
::Indeed, there was never such custom as to sell one's virginity to the highest bidder. Wanderer 05:57, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: While Mineko Iwasaki makes the claim that there was never a practice of "mizuage", there are other sources/interviews that make the opposite assertion. I think this is a difficult issue that cannot be resolved one way or the other. (For another source, see Lesley Downer's book "Geisha: The Secret History of a Vanishing World") LJade728 16:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not prostitutes 

message: The Chinese character  藝妓 / 艺妓 is actually a accurate written word for Geisha, so the paragraph in this article about the misuse of the Chinese character should be removed.  Go to the Wikipedia's article about Geisha, and go to Japanese version, the Japanese word for Geisha in the article (also the article's heading) is written as 芸妓 instead of 芸者.
I'm not saying 芸者 is the wrong word for the term or 芸妓 is the right one, I think it depends on the region or the area where the Geisha art is developed.  In the Japanese language article, it stated that in the Kyoto, Osaka (Kansai) region, they tend to use the word 芸妓; while the Tokyo area tend to use 芸者.
:: If you don't know Chinese, please do not speak. 藝妓 WAS correct, but the character 妓 has undergone a drastic change from a neutral term describing a woman artist to a prostitute. That's why in modern China, the political correct term for geisha is 藝伎 not 藝妓. Many people are misled by the word that they think geishas are acturally whores. That's the point of that paragraph.--wooddoo  Eppur si muove 07:39, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese character for Geisha 

message: I know that this is an American film, but shouldn't we also include the title in Japanese as well?
:Why? It's not Japanese in any way. Like The Last Samurai (which is the same in Japanese). And click the link to Japanese Wikipedia: it's just called "SAYURI". elvenscout742 15:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese Title

message: shouldn't there be a seperate page for the movie and the book since there is a lot of info on the movie Tomba 04:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As an alternative, the novel could be primary (with infobox book) and the film adaptation secondary. I recently did this for The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. --Christopherlin 05:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Someone want to beat me to putting up a book cover image? :-> --Christopherlin 14:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the two articles should be separated, one for the book, one for the movie. Plenty of other book/movie articles are like that and it makes finding information on either easier. Tartan 22:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Separate page for book and movie

message: I'm curious about the reasons for inclusion of the section under Casting Controversy, beginning with "While many people are offended by the casting, Korean-Canadian actress Sandra Oh..."
While Oh's comments are on the topic of the acceptability of inter-asian acting, she doesn't seem to make any direct reference to Memoirs of a Geisha / Sayuri.  I have real doubts that this section should be in this article.  Perhaps an article on inter-asian casting or acting would be better, unless Ms. Oh had something to say directly about Memoirs of a Geisha.  
We also need a source for the quote above it ending "...written by whites".  We also need a source for "The second character 妓 means prostitute."  I'm adding citation needed tags to both these claims.
Would anyone here object to my removing the comments by Sandra Oh?  Alternatively, can anyone suggest a way to make them more applicable to this article?  Kasreyn 19:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of Sandra Oh Commentary? 

message: Agree? The current article seems to devote so much more to the movie, that it seems it wouldn't make sense to be a sub-article. TheKillerAngel 00:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. If you look up at section 11 on here it's been mentioned. :) Tartan 10:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The book and movie should be separate articles 

message: If any of yall read the book, you would know the plot summary. The plot summary gives way too much details about the book, especially since the ending is revealed. Therefore, it would be optimal to add a spoiler warning so that those who have not read the book can enjoy it. -—Preceding unsigned comment added by Victor8698 (talk • contribs)   22:44, July 3, 2006 
::Absolutely - on an website that didn't consider itself an encycloepdia. That sort of nonsense is suitible for usenet forums and the like but certianly not an encyclopedia that considers itself a competent source of knowledge. Also note I've changed the header to "plot" to ensure this. Readers are not stupid. An article that says plot means it will talk about the book. If it didn't, we wouldn't be doing our job. In an encyclopedia, what we do is give "way too much information". That's what an encyclopedia is.-Randall Brackett 22:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nor did I. As I recall, I distictly remember being strongly opposed to removal of such content. Such would be considered a invalid fiddling with wikipedia namespace. And it is perfectly obvious. When you see "Plot", what do expect to be contained within..? Its really simple. Also please see here. -Randall Brackett 01:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't "proper wikipedia formatting". Where ever did you get that idea...? -Randall Brackett 09:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not stressed. This content really is quite inappropriate. If I ever in our conversation I directed a personal attack, I most certainly apologize for the slight. -Randall Brackett 18:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilers 

message: I personally believe that there are many metaphors in this book. You could take for one Chiyo/Sayuri's blue/gray eyes. Couldnt they mean more than just that she has water in her personality? Like that she is easily recgonised and that may be the reason for why she is well known, distinguisable and how the chairman found out who she was and began his secret campaign to help her. 
Also such things as her father at the very start of the book talks about how he has creases and worries and goes on to how some geisha Mr Tanaka was being entertained by is buck toothed. Couldnt that be implied that Sayuri is very self conscious and knows that she is beautiful?
Please keep adding, i think i have only scratched the surface.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.160.109.26 (talk) 06:14, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Metaphors and Implications in this Book 

message: I just wanted to say that the "hair cut" during mizuage is the cutting of the top knot of a Maiko's hairdo. Just to be a bit more specific. ^^ --189.173.132.107 (talk) 17:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mizuage 

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