Talk:William Moulton Marston

message: The article says her surname was Richard, while the Bostonian article (External links) says it was Byrne. Or did she mary someone pro-forma? --18:32, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAICT, 'Richard' was a pen-name. Earlier versions of this article identified her as "Olive Byrne (used pseudonym Olive Richard)" but that seems to have been accidentally deleted in an edit, leaving mentions of both "Olive Byrne" and "Olive Richard" without explaining that they're the same person. I'll fix it. --Calair 22:16, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Addendum - I wouldn't be at all surprised if the purpose of the pseudonym was to obscure the relationship between them. Looking at the link I just added, 'Richard' certainly didn't want her readers to know that she was living with Marston and that her sons were also his; publishing as 'Byrne' might have made it easier for people to join the dots. From some of the other articles, it looks like they were out to friends, but the world at large might've been a different matter. --Calair 22:31, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Olive's Surname

message: Should there be a separate section on Martsons personal life and political views?  Theres discussion of his radical feminism but maybe it should be in its own section.  Also I think theres some relevance to mentioning Marstons personal interest in bondage as well as his bigamous relationship (he lived with both his wife and his mistress).  Certainly bondage was a big theme in early Wonder Woman stories and Marstons interest in it as a sexual practice lends some added dimension to his inclusion of it.
: The article does already acknowledge William's relationship with Elizabeth and Olive ("...lived with the couple in a polyamorous relationship"), although I've added another mention so this is made clear from the first mention of Olive. But more information about his personal life wouldn't hurt, particularly since it does seem to have had a lot of bearing on his work. 
: (I was just reading through some of Marston's WW stories, and... yeah. Were there any that didn't involve tying people up and/or spanking them?) --Calair 01:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal Life and Political Views

message: This DISC assessment & DISC articles are crammed full of linkspam - basically it's an ongoing war between different companies who revert each others linkspam.  I have no idea about this topic, so can't really know how to write a good article on the subject, but it strikes me that people who edit this page might be able to go over there and help out.
Richard W.M. Jones 08:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[DISC assessment]] & [[DISC]] 

message: This article was listed yesterday on tumblr.com as part of the "The Best of Wikipedia".  Well done! --GentlemanGhost (talk) 21:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best of Wikipedia 

message: Understand that wife and mistress Dr.Moulton  relationship(Think Harlan Sanders yes that Col Harlan Sanders of Kentucky Fried Chicken Fame! Also had a wife and a mistresss in the same house!!) But nothing is said of the kids of Dr.Moultons "mates"wife and mistress and Dr.Moultons of course. Any still alive what happened to them? Teslaedsonfan (talk) 22:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re Dr.Moultons childrens from both mates 

message: The article categories and text currently dub him a "feminist psychologist", "feminist theorist", "feminist writer" and "male feminist". Could we get some references and discussion regarding why he's being called this into the article? The root of feminist/feminism (search 'femin' for ease) only appears in a couple statements:
:Marston posited that there is a masculine notion of freedom that is inherently anarchic and violent and an opposing feminine notion based on "Love Allure" that leads to an ideal state of submission to loving authority.
:In a 1943 issue of "The American Scholar", Marston wrote: "Not even girls want to be girls so long as our feminine archetype lacks force, strength, and power. Not wanting to be girls, they don't want to be tender, submissive, peace-loving as good women are. Women's strong qualities have become despised because of their weakness. The obvious remedy is to create a feminine character with all the strength of Superman plus all the allure of a good and beautiful woman."
Do we have any stronger evidence to associate him with the term feminism? For example, a reference where he names himself a feminist, or scholarly works where experts describe him as one? All I can see here is him discussing feminine things, which may be more related to femininism than feminism. Ranze (talk) 18:23, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: References for feminism

message: The citation for note No. 5 is correct.  I just want to mention that the article was written on June 30, 2008 - based on the first paragraph where author Rick Flavin mentioned that it's the last day of June and referred to the Democratic Convention in Colorado which is archived in Wikipedia, see <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2008_Democratic_National_Convention&oldid=740163677>.
The citation should retain "n.d."  The date - June 30, 2008 - may also be included in the citation but placed in square brackets [].
Thanks. Trevz (talk) 13:41, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note No. 5 

message: An anonymous user user:71.179.129.217 added a category labeling Martson as Jewish. However, according to Did Jew Know?: A Handy Primer on the Customs, Culture & Practice of the Chosen People and Wonder Woman: Bondage and Feminism in the Marston/Peter Comics, 1941-1948  Marston was one of the few early superhero writers who was not. Chris vLS (talk) 05:44, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: Why does one of the Notes refer to William Moulton Marsters? Is he somehow a relation to Marston?Weeb Dingle (talk) 16:04, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  yo, fanboys: 

message: According to Lepore (chapter 17), Marston also was employed in Hollywood for several years after being effectively blacklisted from academia. ELSchissel (talk) 18:37, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Films 

message: Olive and Elizabeth's pages state that Olive passed away in 1985, at age 81; this one states 1990, age 86, sourcing Jill Lepore's book. I'm not wild about the other sources for her age (one being find a grave), and I don't have the book to check it. The 2017 film on the three states 1985 as well. Can anyone confirm a date of death for Olive Byrne?
Trickycrayon (talk) 02:28, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olive Byrne's year of death 

message: The claim that it was sexual appears to be disputed and based on circumstantial evidence, and this should arguably be reflected in the articles about them. See my comment on the Elizabeth Marston talk page for sources. 62.73.69.121 (talk) 08:07, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The nature of the relationship between Olive Byrne and Elizabeth Marston