Talk:Prostitution in the Netherlands

message: :Go ahead.--Patrick 14:44, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
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message: I'm busy adding some history about prostitution in the Netherlands. I'm reading all kinds of books about Dutch prostitution. This article is a mess at this point, and I'm figuring if everything I'm saying is correct. Chronology is a difficult subject and books are not clear about that. Not everything has been said and there are some very interesting details on which I will elaborate. I also hope to add an extra chapter about the prostitution laws in the Netherlands. Please correct my misspellings.--Bruno Junqueira 20:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WOW! That's impressive, but it so long and so rich in information, maybe it merits a separate page like History of Prostitution in the Netherlands? -- C mon 20:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Somebody added..... Norwegian government published a report comparing two opposite choices in dealing with prostitution, the Dutch one and the (prohibitionist and criminalizing) Swedish choice. It turned out that, although there are still some unsatisfactory issues, the Dutch approach seems to be much more effective than the Swedish one in ruling prostitution and fighting crime.
I have to add that the conclusions off this report are partly based on the korpsmonitors (2003 and 2004) and the "Plan van Aanpak Ordening en Bescherming Prostitutiesector" These reports state with great euphoria that the regulated sex businesses have been largely cleaned up and that human trafficking has moved underground. There is no evidence of that however. The Fourth report of the Dutch National Rapporteur gives different numbers. Look at page 14, footnote 17
A total of 54 sex establishments [in 2003] were involved in the successfully completed investigations into THB, of which 19 were unlicensed. In 2002 this figure was 140, 38 of which were unlicensed.
Most of the sex establishments where the human trafficking takes place seem to be licensed!!--Bruno Junqueira 15:03, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Norwegian Report 

message: Somebody added.....However with new legislation from 2001 that prohibits migrants from outside the European Union to work legaly, demographics most likely has shifted.
That's true. But there has been no new research since 1999. I have done my own research last year (2005) by studying a consumers site for prostitute clients (hookers.nl). The Johns described more than 3.500 prostitutes in the Netherlands. The percentages have shifted. There are now slightly more Dutch prostitutes, the number of African prostitutes seems to have decreased a lot (from 13% to 3%), and there seem to be more Asian (Thai) prostitutes. The numbers for the Eastern European and Latin American prostitutes are very similar. However, this is original research, and I cannot include this in the Wikipedia article.--Bruno Junqueira 15:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics has shifted since 1998/1999 

message: This article is problematic. I am writing a book on this, it needs major work. Mgoodyear (talk) 00:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, and I've tagged the article as such. The claim that prostitutes in the Netherlands are overwhelmingly trafficked is just that, a claim, from partisan sources, such as CATW. The views of all sides in this controversy need to be given here without any view being favored. Iamcuriousblue (talk) 17:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Content and accuracy

message: The section starts out saying: "The Netherlands is a primary country of destination for victims of human trafficking."  No source is given for this and given the small size of the country I find it very hard to believe.
Loren Pechtel (talk) 02:30, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I am deleting it. <>Multi-Xfer<> (talk) 03:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human trafficking - unsourced information 

message: Isn't it possible that the prostitution in Holland that gets the most attention is concentrated in certain red-light areas that are considered problematic and vulnerable to human trafficking, whereas much of the sex-trade exists outside those areas and through escort services? The same type of situation exists elsewhere.
I was disappointed not to find any mention of "tippelzones," which was linked to this page from the page "Prostitution in Germany." Dick Kimball (talk) 13:45, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Dutch prostitution: only in certain areas?

message: I have made some revisions and deletions. A lot of the negative claims in this article are either unsourced, or sourced to blogs. <>Multi-Xfer<> (talk) 03:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have again deleted the giant text dump with either bad sources, no sources, and using POV language. This article will adhere to NPOV and will not be a forum for people to list all the negative aspects of prostitution. <>Multi-Xfer<> (talk) 00:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Blogs are not reliable sources. Random websites are not reliable sources. And furthermore, reliable sources or not, as I have stated several times now, this article is about Prostitution in one country and as such, it needs to cover that topic. It is not a place to write monographs on Human Trafficking and the negative aspects of prostitution, which are common to all countries and belong in the Human Trafficking and/or Prostitution articles. All of the text you want to add is nothing more than an attempt to make the article into a political soapbox, which is not acceptable. WP:NPOV, WP:UNDUE, WP:NOT. <>Multi-Xfer<> (talk) 02:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

text:  The human trafficking info is massively unbalanced. A full 3/4thf of the article is now basically a soapbox for "prostitution is evil". Your placement of the "information" is telling and it is obvious that you have a POV to push, that "prostitution is bad and ruins everyones lives". The article shouldn't be about that and it's not a soapbox! And would you STOP using circular logic and self-fulfilling questions like "Why sholud relevant imformation be kept out of the article". The information is NOT relevant, you just think it is. <>Multi-Xfer<> (talk) 03:16, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Thank you for discussing. The prostitute article is superflous, as the paragraph right before it says pretty much the same thing. We don't need two paragraphs that say 75% of hookers in Amsterdam are foreigners. Also, the Human Trafficking section should be with the Red Light District section, as they are related subjects. The problem is not that "there are facts", the issue is whether they belong in the article. Much of the information you keep reinserting is about human trafficking in general, and belongs in the article on human trafficking. The article does not need to be 3/4ths about human trafficking, but should concentrate only on human trafficking in Amsterdam (and then, only in balance with the remainder of the article. If you insist on WP:OWNing the article we may be forced to seek dispute resolution. <>Multi-Xfer<> (talk) 19:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral point of view 

message: I think it would be interesting to briefly summarize the different point of views on whether the legalization was a positive or negative move.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeanMrk (talk • contribs) 09:16, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding views on the legalization 

message: What is the ethnicity of the customers of prostitutes?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toadsmithe (talk • contribs) 20:23, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ethnicity of prostitution customers and pimps? 

message: :How old must be clients of prostitutes in The Netherlands?
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thread_title:  Legal age 

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