Talk:Morrissey/Archive 2

message: Stretford is not in the county of Lancashire it is in the county of Greater Manchester:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretford —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tremello22 (talk • contribs) 
: Not in 1959, which is the time referred to in the introduction.  --ajn (talk) 21:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of Stretford 

message: Why is Morrisseymusic.com listed as morrissey's official website? Didn't Morrissey say, "Thirdly, I have no connection at all with the site called Morrisseymusic.com. It is controlled by Sanctuary and I am neither consulted nor involved."--199.176.241.60 13:39, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morrisseymusic.com 

message: Does anyone know if Morrissey actually entered into any romantic relationships of any merit? There have been some speculations, both of a hetro and homosexual nature, but I was just wondering if there is any evidence to back up any of these claims?
No evidence exists either way. Morrissey is tight-lipped on the subject of his private life, and rightly so, I might add -- what he does is no one's business (this idea goes without saying), and whatever he did say would unquestionably be twisted, dissected, and ultimately corrupted by the media, and, I daresay, interpreted in various opposing ways by much of his longtime, über-devoted fanbase.
Weavermoz 02:49, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Lee Farrant?? Never heard of that name, and I've heard a great deal of Moz-related gossip LOL In any case, a wonderfully androgynous name, 'Lee'. Could be male, could be female (what a perfect Moz gossip ;) ).Nightandday 12:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Sex. He said he didn't have sexual relationships - however, that was in the Smiths days, a lot has changed since then. He has since made it clear several times that he is fed up with the 'celibacy' tag ("I used the word 'celibacy' once, in August 1984, and it has haunted me eversince"). As for marriage, he had always been generally against it.Nightandday 16:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationships 

message: Is there such a thing as an ethical vegetarian. Ifr so ios he one. SDources only please. I dispute strongly that his latest views have divided the country. That would imply a huge num ber of Brits supported his stance which is clearly false. Please don't insert POPV as fact. The reality is almost everyone thinks he is an extremist whose dangerous POV verges on the criminal, if it isn'tt criminal. Classical example of an uppity pop star who knows how to sing and uses that talent to try and promote political extremism, SqueakBox 16:17, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't like Morrissey, do you? I don't agree with everything you've said here, but I don't have any major problems with the edits you made. I just added an explanation of why Morrissey says he's a vegetarian and a source for some of the criticism he's been getting. - Maximusveritas 17:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Animal rights are 'right-wing'?! You have no idea what 'right-wing' means, do you? Please abstain from making any further comments on politics, until you gain some knowledge on the subject. And BTW, Morrissey's views on animal rights, like them or not, have been the same when he was in the Smiths. Nightandday 17:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal rights 

message: I removed the speculative and unfounded nonsense that he was a big supporter of various ant-racist organizations, because there is zero evidence that he was/is. Also since when was the Labour Party a "anti-racist movement"??. Also to the contrary "Mozza" has been more of a supporter of the racist British National Party than any other U.K. political party. Stop trying to sugar coat the guy FFS.
: Sorry?!?! You are the one writing speculative and unfounded, and, furthermore, completely untrue nonsense. Morrissey a supporter of BNP?! What planet are you from?! (And yes, there is proof, The Smiths played anti-Apartheid gigs.) Nightandday 17:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no interest in claiming Morrissey as a Labourite, but The Smiths were part of Red Wedge in the 80's, which was very closely linked to Labour. They also played at least one 'Rock vs Racism' benefit gig.
"Where is the evidence that Moz supported the BNP? In iterviews he has stated his opposition to censorship and that includes the BNP. Morrissey has always supported left-leaning, liberal causes e.g John Kerry for president, and been anti-right leaning, establishment figures, e.g Margaret Thatcher and the Queen." Ask me 22:04, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism pt II 

message: The item that begins "In retaliation to the above-mentioned statement, a contradictory statement, purportedly made by Morrissey..." and continues to quote at length a statement from Morrissey taken off www.true-to-you.net is likely out of the bounds of "fair use" and likely copyright infringement. Even if it is not, I have no idea why such a long and barely newsworthy statement is on what's supposed to be an encyclopedia page.--MrFluff 05:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miscellaneous 

message: I don't think Morrissey was at the concert. He may have said he was there, jokingly, as it a known that more people claim to have been there than was actually present. - Kvaks 20:19, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What on Earth made you think that?!  Everyone agrees that Morrissey definitely was at the Pistols concert on June 4 1976, including Paul Morley and Dave Nolan, the author of the book about the gig, "I Swear I Was There" (both were present at the gig). He's actually one of the few people whose presence isn't a matter of controversy. Even Tony Wilson's presence has been called into question by Nolan, and Mick Hucknall, according to him, was definitely not there, contrary to the legend.Nightandday 17:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pistols concert 

message: Strange section this, and not entirely accurate. Morrissey certainly has had brushes with the law (police raiding his house following the Margaret on the Guillotine lyrics), dealing with alcohol and drug abuse (albeit band members habits rather than his own) for example.
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I agree, the entire section is highly debatable and confusing. There are plenty of examples of reclusive rock stars and Morrissey's ongoing feuds with the media, other musicians, etc is very rock star-ish. Also, unflamboyant is not a word. Morrissey is often characterized as flamboyant anyway (google: "Morrissey flamboyant" and see for yourself). Basically, this whole section is bogus and should be removed.--MrFluff 04:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti Rock Star Image 

message: An anon ip recently changed "He is 6' (1.83 m) tall." to "His height is between 5'6" and 6'.", and changed "The song Let Me Kiss You from Morrissey's latest album You Are the Quarry is dedicated to her." to "The song Let Me Kiss You was recorded by Nancy with Morrissey and Alain Whyte singing background vocals.". Does anyone know if these changes are valid? Arniep 00:07, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Between 5'6" and 6'"?! LOL Someone was in a joking mood, obviously. He is 6' (or, according to some, a little under 6'.) Nightandday 17:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes 

message: Michael Stipe article doesn't contain the word admire, neither does the Doherty article. Indeed none of the 7 links contain the word admire so we stil need a source that for each one of these people admiring him, SqueakBox 14:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the point is that the list just looks stupid because it's too long. We should limit it to a few people accompanied by whatever it is they said about him. Arniep 18:36, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about a seperate page, "List of notable Morrissey fans"?Englishrose 20:50, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case why not make a separate page for fans of every band/musician to ever come into existence? It's a pointless section and doesn't deserve to be in there. Groups who point to Morrissey as a direct influence on their work is a different story, but does it really matter that Craig Kilborn or JK Rowling are fans of Morrissey's music?  Spikethehawk 21:10, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

text: JK Rowling requested that Smiths/Morrissey references were placed on the set of the Harry Potter films. She get's a lot of inspiration from Morrissey. . Englishrose 23:09, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think with the change to fans it looks alright. I, for instance am a fan of his Smith vocals (all I have heard) but that doesn't mean I admire him as a person let alone make me an ardent follower of his political beliefs. The statement as it stands is accurate without trying to be sycophantic, SqueakBox 00:41, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  -Source analysis= 

message: To the feud's section I added a bit about the comments made about Morrissey by Manic Street Preachers' Nicky Wire and Richey James Edwards.
-Did you source it? To tell the truth, me and my sis always argue who is etter, Richey or Moz. I always win ;). But seriously, I didn't know they actually fought.-- ¢² Connor K.   18:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manic Street Preachers' attack on Moz 

message: Why in the world is everyone doing this? This is a biography of Morrissey - so why is everyone removing parts that have to do with The Smiths? The entire Smiths biography shouldn't be in here, mind you, but his time with them should be summarised in a bit more detail, and things about him in other sections that happened while he was with the Smiths shouldn't be removed. 
Also, there is an urgant need to expand the section about his solo career, which is dreadfully short. There is much much more to be said there.
*I think you answered your own question. This article should focus on Morrissey's solo career. There is a separate article for The Smiths. Spylab 15:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Smiths refrences 

message: When you are born in a hospital in Davyhulme, partly raised in Hulme and Stretfort are you than a singer and songwriter from Stretford from Hulme or what ??? Is'nt he a singer songwriter from Manchester ???
The debate about Manchester v Trafford is one for the football fans; it shouldn't deflect people from serious research about Morrissey. For the serious students here are the facts: Harper Street and Queens Square were not in Hulme but Old Trafford, bordering Hulme. Morrisey actually refers to this on a link you can find on YouTube. I lived in that area and remember those places, being the same age as Morrissey. People around there think of themselves as being from Manchester; Trafford is a 1970s invention! I can understand Smiths fans not wanting his name associated with famous sporting venues but the idea that he was from Hulme is part of the legend rather than the truth. Anybody obsessive enough to want to check this out (like me!)should get the librarians at the Local History section of Manchester's Central library to dig out the old maps for you. That's what I did as I was sure I remembered those streets - Harper Street at least as I was, like Morrissey, only a nipper when Queens Square was demolished - being in Old Trafford rather than Hulme. Hulme has more hip credibility because it is within the boundaries of the city of Manchester, thereby accrditing Morrissey's Mancunianism; also it is associated, through the old crescents, with the rise of rave culture during the 1980s. Then again this is what we want icons to represent: a romantic idea rather than the dull reality. Morrissey was a myth-maker like Bob Dylan and this has become part of the myth. Or is this inaccuracy more the fault of writers like Johnny Rogan and Dave Haslam who have erroneously stated that he grew up in Hulme? 
Mozzer99 18:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singer/songwriter from Manchester 

message: does anyone know the name of the film were the smiths are mentioned...
the film is about guys from some american university were they try to kill there roommate because they know that they will get an automatic high score in their final grade, because thats what you get when your room mate "dies". Thye put some articles in his room including a smiths album because they think it will make him come across as a depressed teen who commited suicide...name? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.219.92.232 (talk) 15:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  reference to "the smiths" in some film 

message: There's a lot of rubbish in there. It could do with being removed. Some of of the little facts are okay and could be incorporated into the main part of the article, while other bits would be most welcome in the bin. SaltyWater 19:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think we could probably create a new subsection under "Image and Politics" for all his admirers.  I'm not sure if all that stuff is really needed in the article, but at least it would be a little more organized. - Maximusveritas 22:15, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 'misc' section 

message: I've never seen it mentioned that 'Morrissey used to live in an apartment owned by Garbo' outside of wikipedia.  I think this needs to be deleted unless anyone cares to provide evidence.
In fact, he used to live in a house formerly owned by Clark Gable, not Greta Garbo.Nightandday 17:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greta Garbo 

message: A request for a peer review of the Sparks article has been made here Wikipedia:Peer review/Sparks (band)/archive2.  Since Morrissey is such a fan maybe you would have a look and help it alongKaptKos 19:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sparks 

message: Is it me or is there a disproportionate amount of text devoted to Quarry and specifically Tormentors? In the grand scheme of things (i.e. in two weeks when the press stop caring) ROTT is in no way more important, and probably a lot LESS important that Viva Hate. Encyclopaedically speaking.Karlusss 20:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very true. Some of the stuff needs to be moved onto the page for ROTT, the other can just be deleted. SaltyWater 20:53, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much focus on later years 

message: I think Morrissey is a great guy and told it like it was back in the 80s, when our Brave Men died.
He should be forgiven and allowed to move on, and not held hostage in this Bush-created world terrorist scam.
Brandubh Blathmac 00:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morrissey 

message: Perhaps the Tori Amos feud should be moved from the trivia section to the 'feuds within the music industry' section.  
Kat 01:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tori Amos 

message: There's a ton of references to external sites, some of which could be dead; please verify links and change to proper references rather than direct external links. There are quotes, specifically in the feuds section that aren't cited and need to be.  
Also, the bibliography needs to be addressed... BY and ABOUT are two different things entirely; they should be split.  Listing of the books properly with ISBN, etc would be nice as well. Xinit 00:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: "Detractors usually describe his work as depressing,"
I find my favorite artists "depressing". Can someone find a better reason as to why some people would look at his work negatively? --A Sunshade Lust 23:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critique in intro 

message: This morning's edit by Bearcat removed nothing, and improved the prose.  Please read carefully before assuming that major alterations are for the worse.  --ajn (talk) 19:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Removal of information" 

message: Isn't his first name spelled Stephen, not Steven?
Outofstep77 00:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. MFlet1 21:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Especially those from Southpaw Grammar onwards? I'm not using this as a forum; instead I'm wondering if such an opinion can be attributed to a music critic?--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 00:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone find that Morrissey's solo albums all sound quite similar? 

message: If Morrisey really have trained Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in his youth it probably  wasn't under Renzo Gracie, because he was born in 67. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renzo_Gracie
Now i've never heard of him training Jiu Jitsu before, so could anyone please confirm this fact too?
A googlesearch didnt return anything on this fact..
213.114.70.177 06:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazilian Jiu Jitsu 

message: Presently the article cites "This Charming Man", "Handsome Devil", "Swallow On My Neck", "Hand in Glove", "Roy's Keen" and "Dear God Please Help Me" as songs with homosexual themes. In addition, "Shoplifters of the World Unite," "Pretty Girls Make Graves," and even "Alma Matters" have been interpretted with homosexual themes or indications while not being directly about homosexual longing. "Alma Matters"'s lyrics are pretty broad, but Morrissey has commented that it was about being in touch with one's sexuality (for example, your female side if you're a male). "Shoplifters of the World Unite" is well-known to be critical of the anti-homosexual ammendment, Section 28. "Pretty Girls Make Graves" is moreso about not being attracted to females, rather than about being homosexual ("I'm not the man you think I am"). I'm sure there are more songs that could be brought up, but at the moment none come to mind.
This is a new comment. (the fact you didn't sign yours might create some confusion).
Um, "homosexual themes"? Let m
e see...
"Hand In Glove"? I've heard that oen mentioned many times - could anyone please explain where is homosexuality mentioned in the lyrics? 
"Pretty Girls Make Graves" is not about homosexuality, it's about male sexual inadequacy - if there is any reason stated, it's in "sorrow's native son, he will not smile for anyone"/"rise for anyone" - if I was to make a guess, I would say that this most probably refers to depression. The problem further identified: 'I could have been wild and I could have been free, but nature played this trick on me'... Why would homosexuality stop a man from being  wild and free?!
"Alma Matters" - ? Are you referring to the famous line 'in part and in hole' (spelled like that in the lyric sheet)? I see how that might be seen as referring to bisexuality, but don't see how that can be interpreted as 'homosexual', especially considering the most common slang meaning of the word 'hole'?? 
"Roy's Keen" - meh. I won't even comment on that one.
"Swallow On My Neck" - debatable. 'I don't know why I held out so long for me and you... until he drew a swallow on my neck...' I've seen people go on and on about the 'swallow' thing - yes, it might be an actual (fake) tatoo (he did have a taoo of swallow on his hands) or a lovebite, or both. So he might be referring to a guy giving him a lovebite ('and more') - so what? It's not exactly a secret that Morrissey has had sexual experiences with both men and women, he's admitted that much, he's also said that he'd be with a person he loved and who loved him, no matter if they were male or female. So what is the big deal? (Surprisingly, nobody ever tried to really analyse this song - everybody seems to be speculating who 'he' is, while I would be even more interested to know who is 'you' that he is addressing in the song.)
"Dear God Please Help Me" - well, here's what Morrissey has said about it, when asked: "I don't think homosexuality is mentioned anywhere in the song." (NME intervew) He goes on to comment on the line 'he puts his hand on my knee' saying that 'it's matter of having an interest from someone who is a 'he', which is something you can't help and can't orhestrate...' Make of that what you will. From what I can hear, it's all very ambiguous, as always. there's a line 'he puts his hand on my knee'... and then there's an explicit reference to sex at the end, which  may be with the same person or another - because he switches to 'you'... and the line 'Now I'm spreading your legs with mine in between'... hm, well, I would hardly say that it sounds homosexual in itself, would you? I don't know about you, but if I heard someone say that, I wouldn't think: 'oh, oh, this must be about homosexual sex!'
"This Charming Man" describes what can be called a homoerotic situation that the narrator finds himself in - but I never thought that the narrator ('jumped-up pantry boy' is homosexual; I wouldn't be so sure that he even feels any desire, love or real attraction to the man himself - but this is all a matter for discussion, and the song is far too complicated and invites many possible interpretations. (I would point out the references to poverty, insecurity, enjoying someone's attention etc... not to mention the interesting connection to the movie 'Sleuth'.)
" "Shoplifters of the World Unite" is well-known to be critical of the anti-homosexual ammendment, Section 28." So what? Morrissey's views on the subject of alternative sexualities and sexual freedom are well-known (I presume). I don't see how being critical of a conservative amenedment which resticts human rights of people who are homosexual, bisexual, basically in any way sexually different, equates 'oh, the writer of this song must be gay!'
But... "Handsome Devil"?? This one I always found very funny. is it because of the deliberately ambiguous title? Do people assume that 'handsome' must refer to a man? Aren't you aware that it's also used for women (especially those whose beauty is statuesque and striking rather than sweet and tender), and that in 19th century English literature it was quite common to call a good-looking women 'a handsome woman' (example: Jane Austen's novels) - which is something Morrissey must have been aware of? (And moreover, he said once that he knew many women who can be described as handsome' and men who can be decribed as 'pretty'.) Funny how people always  go 'oh, this is a gay song!' without thinking much, while in fact... it's far from that. 
OK, so there's the line 'who will swallow whom'... but with lyrics such as 'let me get my hands on your mammary glands' and 'a boy in the bush is worth two in the hand'? ;) "Homoerotic desire', indeed! LOL That's as 'heteroerotic' as it gets. Do I have to spell it out? You do know what 'mammary glands' are? And that the word bush, besides its literal meaning, also refers to a certain part of female anatomy. :) hint: some other words related to the same organ are 'hole', 'pussy'. 
BTW 'flap' can also refer to a part of that organ - still, interestingly, none of the hunters of sexual double entendres in Morrissey's lyrics has ever suggested that "Alsatian Cousin" is heteroerotic, despite the line 'with your tent-flap open wide'. ;) I'm not saying he must have meant anything other than the actual tent-flap, but isn't it interesting that people are always ready to discover any possible 'homoerotic' meanings, but are always blind to the 'heteroerotic' ones (even when they're bloody obvious, as in the quoted lines of Handsome Devil)? I don't see people going on about "Wonderful Woman", "Half A Person", "Disappointed", or any song that explicitly defines the object of affection as female, a 'she' ("I Won't Share You" is one of them ('the note I wrote as she read, she said: Has the Perrier goen ot my head, or is life sick and cruel instead'), yet people seem determined to overlook it and keep insisting it's about... Johnny Marr?! I suppose we should also assume that a song that mentions a 'he' is about a woman?!) Where are the articles listing the shockingly 'heteroetoric' imagery in Morrissey's lyrics and artwork (Alexandra Bastedo on "Rank"?! Diana Dors on "Singles"?!), analysing the possible sordid sexual meanings of Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others, or calling The Public Image a 'coming out' song??? ;)
Yep... that's what I call a DOUBLE STANDARD.
But, if you imagine just for a moment that homosexuality were the norm and heterosexuality was 'alternative sexuality', you'd be doing exactly the above and going on about how 'obviously straight' Morrissey must be...and why doesn't he  finally admit it? How long is he going to be in denial/tortured about his heterosexuality? ;)
Come on people...we supposedly live in a liberal society where homosexuality is considered no better or worse than heterosexuality...right? RIIIIIGHT??? :p
Nightandday 10:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songs with homosexual themes 

message: That flash video of "Morrissey Dance" is not informative, and does not belong on Wikipedia. Please check the policies on links before adding one. Thanks. -- ¢² Connor K.   17:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: There is zero mention of Morrissey's nickname ...WTF?  There is some sound company MOZ on wiki that has no disambiguation and can't until it's mentioned that Morrissey's nickname is 'Moz.'   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.116.149.9 (talk) 14:58, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moz 

message: This is not an encyclopedia entry -- it's a page written by some devoted fans who want to portry Morrissey in the best possible light. This is inappropriate, and I think the page needs a significant rewrite; in particular, the "trivia" section should be mostly or completely removed. This is my opinion, but as Bill Hicks said, it happens to be true. R 07:10, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the trivia section is important in understanding Morrissey, his music and his fans an encyclopedia doesn't just have to offer dry facts surrounding someone's life, but can instead show a person's wealth of influences and personality, as well as
I believe Morrissey's cultural status and influence merits a very detailed page; there is a reason Wikipedia is superior as a resource, and it is not because it is a dry, concise 'overview' of its subjects.
84.69.105.133 (talk) 00:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a fan page (and shouldn't be) 

message: I've run through the "Fan sites" to verify that they still exist, and the ones that contained obvious copyright violations (bootleg downloads, scanned photos from magazines, etc) have been removed. Anything that was a fan blog was removed on vanity grounds, and a couple of the better looking sites with a lot of information (and a nice layout) were kept as representative of the fan community. See WP:EL#What_should_be_linked_to...
"In general, any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have once it becomes an example of brilliant prose." Xinit 00:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your action.  However, I think that the first three links should be restored, as they provide information that cannot be found elsewhere.  Morrissey-solo is essentially an in-depth collection of recent news stories on Morrissey and worth linking to, while True To You is semi-official and Passions Just Like Mine has an excellent discography.  The others should remain out though.  Acegikmo1 22:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I very much agree. SaltyWater 21:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Notable sites re-added. Please bring to talk page before action is taken to remove them. SaltyWater 23:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: Morrissey was born in the Park Hospital in Davyhulme (Trafford) on 22 May 1959.
He lived in Harper Street, Hulme (Manchester) till 1965 when his family moved to Queens Square on the border of Hulme near Moss side.
Finally moved to King's Road 384, Stretford (Trafford) in 1969.
Whoever wrote this has the order the wrong way round. Queen's Square was demolished first, in the early sixties, Harper Street wasn't demolished till the late sixties. I know that of which I speak as I grew up in the area and remember Harper Street well.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.194.254 (talk) 16:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born in Davyhulme, lived in Hulme and later on in Stretford 

message: Can anyone verify this? A quick Google search for 'Morrissey' and 'vegan' brings up numerous articles where he is mentioned to be one, including articles from the The Times and The Indepedent. However, beside these few publications, I've never encountered any interview or article where he himself discusses veganism, going only as far as arguing solely against meat-eating. --Ferix 17:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember when I went to see him at G-Mex on 22nd December 2006, the "BETTER BURGER COMPANY" van there had stuck a crude sign over the word "BETTER", replacing it with "VEGI", making it the "VEGI BURGER COMPANY". I was informed that he won't perform anywhere that is selling meat at the time. Anyway, I don't know about him being vegan, but I know he doesn't eat meat. Of course using me as a source is original research, but there you go. --Deskana (request backup) 18:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, he admits to wearing leather soled shoes, because there is "no decient alternative". So he can't be vegan. :] --24.15.165.14 05:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morrissey's purported veganism 

message: so, the old "trivia" section has found its way back again. it's a mess, it's mostly relatively irrelevant. purge again? Barbara Osgood 22:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: well, i've taken out most of it. is the rest even relevant now?. we can't list every single time morrissey is referenced anywhere in the cultural world, or every single cover a song (if the original song was significant enough, it should have its own page anyway. if not, the cover is hardly significant). As for Morrissey's influence in the current music scene, a simple sentence somewhere like "Morrissey has been a significant influence on bands such as Fall Out Boy, etc" will do. Barbara Osgood 22:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence in popular culture 

message: The List of socialists from Western Europe cites Morrissey as a Socialist. This could certainly be interpreted from many of his songs, foremost being, perhaps, Nobody Loves Us, for example, among others... but does anyone have any published evidence of this? And if so, would it be worthy for addition to this article?--24.15.165.14 05:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Socialist? 

message: Every week someone changes the main photo, please stop doing that. Especially if you don't know how to do it properly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yamanbaia (talk • contribs) 11:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, well, Morrissey's "peeps" don't really have a say here (or at least no more than any other editor). Freshacconci 17:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop changing the photo! 

message: Has Morrisey, since going solo, produced any vegetarian songs or Animal Rights ones like "Meat is Murder"? Robert C Prenic 16:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: None as explicitly as Meat is Murder. Freshacconci 17:26, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Any that aren't as explicit? 86.148.131.145 13:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: There's also one called "Yes I am Blind" which goes: "Little lamb on a hill/Run fast as you can/Good Christians they want to kill you/And your life has not even begun".--88.111.125.13 20:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vegetarians and Animals Rights ''solo'' music 

message: An anonymous editor has twice added a Catholic category to this article. I don't believe we have evidence in the article that Morrissey is in any sense a Catholic; even if he was I think I would want reliable sources and some reason why such an inclusion would be encyclopedic. What do others think? --John 19:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This needs a source per WP:V; without one it should be agressively removed. -- Jza84 · (talk) 11:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholic? 

message: Another person who may be included as criticising Morrissey is Henry Rollins.
In a recent special on Rage (Aus music show) a clip was played of Henry Rollins absolutely ripping into Morrissey. He says something along the lines of "Morrissey embodies every bad trait a person can have". I will need to check the actual quote, but its something to that affect.
211.30.151.144 05:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry Rollins criticism of Morrissey 

message: According to a questionnaire, the first gig Morrissey attended was T.Rex at Belle Vue, Manchester in July 1972. However, other sources say T.Rex played there on June 16th, not July. Any other sources? Yes, I realise this is incredibly pedantic and 'in 1972' would probably do. SteveRamone 14:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  T. Rex at Belle Vue 

message: I removed an unsourced statement in the "Feuds within the music industry" section: "As of April 2006, it is understood that Morrissey has paid none of the outstanding royalties to Joyce." Looking for sources, it turns out the truth is more complex than that: according to this statement from Morrissey himself, some back royalties were paid in 1997, and the remainder are being retrieved through various means. I couldn't find anything contradicting this statement or questioning its accuracy, so I took the sentence out. Thomjakobsen 19:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joyce royalties 

message: Is there a better source that can be cited for Morrissey's involvement with Amnesty International? NNDB is probably inadequate for Wikipedia's purposes. Mike R (talk) 14:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NNDB used as a source 

message: Yeah, I heard a few songs, and it seems like he sounds much like Jim Morrison. Even the first six letters of the Lizard Man's name match right up.
In effect... could anybody see if there was some sort of inspiration from Morrison? Or The Doors in general? From the context and sound of his music (at least what I have heard), he seems to pull a lot of inspiration from that. I may be wrong, but it's something to think about...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.37.80.173 (talk) 07:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's quite a lot of material documenting Morrissey's influences, and I don't believe that the Doors are among them. Morrison's grave gets a lot of Morrissey-related graffiti, though, since it's in the same cemet(e)ry as Oscar Wilde. --89.242.207.108 (talk) 01:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sounds a lot like... 

message: Might have expected some talk page action following the recent NME article. Just thought it worth noting. Perhaps Wikipedia has managed a reasonable level of neutrality on a contoversial issue, for a change. --89.242.207.108 (talk) 01:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism 

message: Can we please get a source for all these places in the lead, biography and infobox?
We have Davyhulme, Hulme, Manchester, Stretford and Urmston all (seemingly) competing for the claim to fame with Morrissey. Intrestingly, there is no mention of Salford! This does need addressing asap. Furthermore, I would like to urge users that at the time of Morrissey's birth in 1959, all of these places were in Lancashire rather than Greater Manchester, and only Hulme was/is in Manchester, the rest are seperate places. -- Jza84 · (talk) 11:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's also "Hulme, near Moss Side" - do we really need this clarification? It looks a bit like the slightly awkward remains left behind by a dispute. --89.242.205.115 (talk) 23:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Places 

message: Worth mentioning in the Animal Rights section? Red Gown (talk) 04:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meat is Murder 

message: leather, stating in 1986 that "there is simply no sensible alternative" to leather shoes. He has also said "I find shoes difficult to be ethical about - one just can't seem to avoid leather. One is trapped, ultimately."[52] However, it was reported in the April 2006 issue of SPIN Magazine that Morrissey now wears fake leather shoes.
I have read the above mentioned SPIN article, and Morrissey never states what his shoes are made of, the writer merely infers this because he is aware of Moz's vegetarianism.
I think this needs removing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.210.30.169 (talk) 13:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leather shoes 

message: After looking through the article it appears to have been heavily vandalized. Elsapo (talk) 20:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Maybe there should be some information included as to the band that have played with Morrissey - i know there's some biographical detail, but it seems to me that some mention should/could be made of his band. When his albums/live shows are billed as 'Morrissey', then that in effect includes his band, I suppose, and maybe that should be factored in? just a thought, if not feel free to ignore me.
Andyroo g (talk) 12:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morrissey as band 

message: I know that Morrisey can be linked to Sandie Shaw, Siouxsie Sioux, Nancy Sinatra and Kristeen
Young but how are they associated acts?? I thought associated act had to be bands that an artist had to be in some way involved with ie, side projects, subsequent bands. I could be mistaken but I think this may be wrong...
--Reballare (talk) 12:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sandie Shaw recorded with the Smiths, Morrissey made one record with Siouxsie, Nancy Sinatra has recorded a Morrissey song (Let Me Kiss You) and Kristeen Young has gone on tour with Morrissey.  So they are all associated with him, albeit rather tenuously in some cases. MFlet1 (talk) 12:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Reballare. Including in the infobox as "associated acts" all the artists who just once sang in duet with the person/band or did a cover of their song is not a sound idea. Neither is it common practice in other articles. Garik 11 (talk) 08:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associated acts? 

message: Well done on creating the new picture. It looks pretty good, much better than the last one and oddly Morrissey looks younger in this one even though this one and the old one were taken in the same year. Anyway good pic, it makes him look like he has red hair though but I love the effect. Supposed (talk) 20:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Im desperately trying to find out the name of the song that Morrissey/the smiths sang which was about James Dean? Igt is not the Charming Young Man?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.7.250.87 (talk) 20:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song about James Dean 

message: In the discography for this article, only Morrissey's solo albums are listed. Why are his albums as the vocalist for The Smiths not? The entry for John Lydon contains a list of Sex Pistols, PiL, and solo albums, so why not this article too? (Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a suitably placed link to The Smiths discography is probably more appropriate than listing all The Smiths' albums here. It's easiest to maintain a list in only one place, and they're already well described on both that page and on The Smiths. --David Edgar (talk) 14:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What about just the four studio albums ? It wouldn't take up much room. (Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I still wouldn't do that. To be honest, the John Lydon article you give as an example just looks a bit unwieldy; I prefer the simple way it's done on John Lennon, for instance. --David Edgar (talk) 17:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

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thread_title:  Image copyright problem with Image:ThereIsALight.ogg 

message: Surely with all those pictures in the article, including the Alexander picture that was used in the past, and the new Years Of Refusal one, we have no need to start the page with that bad quality live picture, do we?Dollvalley (talk) 23:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main picture 

message: It seems certain he is bi. Can anyone provide any evidence to the contrary? Werdnawerdna (talk) 19:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely it should be about providing proof positive rather than just assuming he is because there's no evidence to suggest otherwise.  Morrissey never talks about this area of his life, and until this changes - which I'm guessing it never will - then I think any statements about his sexuality are always going to be nothing but conjecture. MFlet1 (talk) 22:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bisexual 

message: Now that all the copyvio images have been deleted, could a kind admin please move the image of Morrissey at the Alexander premier to the infobox along with it's caption. It's currently at the end of the 'Political leaders' section. Thanks, --JD554 (talk) 08:16, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox image 

message: This lock of the page has solved nothing as far as what is considered a better edit for the page. If you're not going to unlock the page, at least properly update it instead of letting it and it's relevance fester. TheColdDick (talk) 09:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The place to request unprotection is at WP:RPP. But as you haven't attempted to enter a discussion with WesleyDodds or me above in an effort to reach a consensus, I would think it's unlikely to be approved. --JD554 (talk) 10:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd get much further holding a conversation with a chimp than I would trying to reach a "consensus" with either of you. TheColdDick (talk) 12:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can I remind you about WP:CIVIL comments should be about content not other editors. Perhaps an attempt at conversation on the different topics should be attempted to gain consensus. You can get help from other editors but the points of conflict really need to be outlined clearly on this page first. MilborneOne (talk) 12:40, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can I remind you the points of conflict were clearly outlined on this page already. You just didn't bother reading it, evidently. If you don't read the page, why bother replying to comments on it? TheColdDick (talk) 15:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK apology they are outlined. I dont need to read it as I have no interest in the subject I am only here to protect the encyclopedia from edit warring, copyright violations, uncivil behaviour and the like. So I dont need to read the page to warn others of uncivil behaviour for example. So remind me the first point was:
===English/British===
1. Their edit list Morrissey as "English" as opposed to "British". This article went through a similar debate at a previous time and it was universally decided that he would be labeled "British" because that is how Morrissey describes HIMSELF in interviews. 
It currently says English singer which he clearly is as he was born in England cant find any previous discussion on this page so it either needs a new consensus to change or leave as English. Comment?  MilborneOne (talk) 16:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree with that. There seems to be some sort of campaign by some editors (not necessarily the ones who have edited this page) to remove all references to people being English. Being a constituent country of the United Kingdom means that being called English is perfectly valid, in exactly the same way as being called Scottish or Welsh is acceptable. --JD554 (talk) 11:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unlock the page, please 

message: 1. Their edit list Morrissey as "English" as opposed to "British". This article went through a similar debate at a previous time and it was universally decided that he would be labeled "British" because that is how Morrissey describes HIMSELF in interviews. 
It currently says English singer which he clearly is as he was born in England cant find any previous discussion on this page so it either needs a new consensus to change or leave as English. Comment?  MilborneOne (talk) 16:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with that. There seems to be some sort of campaign by some editors (not necessarily the ones who have edited this page) to remove all references to people being English. Being a constituent country of the United Kingdom means that being called English is perfectly valid, in exactly the same way as being called Scottish or Welsh is acceptable. --JD554 (talk) 11:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: English/British

message: I just noticed that Morrissey leads directly to the dude. Should it not lead to Morrissey (disambiguation), per Madonna and Feist, etc? -M.Nelson (talk) 19:51, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is correct that Morrissey is the name of theis article, and that entering that leads to the singer, with a disambiguation link at the top of the page, as it does now. It is correct as it is, because this man is known to the public as Morrissey, not Steven Morrissey. None of the other people on the page are known merely by their first name, but by their first and last name - e.g. David Morrissey is not known simply as Morrissey. Hence this article should not be changed to Steven Morrissey, or Morrissey (singer). Madonna is often used, in Christianity, to refer to Jesus' mother, hence why Madonna leads to the disambig page, and the title of the singer's page is Madonna (entertainer). F W Nietzsche (talk) 10:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morrissey disambiguation? 

message: It's misleading to refer to Morrissey as a baritone. 
# He's not a classically trained singer.
# On Now my heart is full he can hardly reach as low as an A2. According to the baritone article the lowest note a typical baritone should be able to reach is two full notes lower: F2. 
If any classical term applies to Morrissey's voice he's probably a 'limited tenor', but it would be best not to apply classical terminology to pop music at all. Wysgeer (talk) 12:10, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Think you are right, he is not a baritone. I am going to make the edit. --78.144.209.245 (talk) 00:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baritone? 

message: Wouldn't it be best if the first sentence described him as an Anglo-Irish singer? a) He was born and raised in England; both parents were from Ireland. b) His 'dual identity' is obviously important to him, as he clearly expressed in his song Irish Blood, English Heart. F W Nietzsche (talk) 10:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anglo-Irish 

message: "appeared on stage draped in the Union Flag, a symbol often associated with nationalism and hence with far right groups in Britain". This is a bit point of view is it not? Is there a consensus for branding people racists because they have had their national flag drapped around them? Perhaps someone should add a racism section to the Denise Lewis article http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/27/102427-004-BF36F4BC.jpg Stutley (talk) 10:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article doesn't brand anyone a racist for wearing the Union Flag. What it does do is report that many people, including the NME, made an association in this case between the flag and the far-right in Britain. It's not easily disputable, I think, that this is what happened. --78.150.233.143 (talk) 22:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism 

message: It says in the article his mother was a 'librarian'. Did she have a Masters in this profession? Or was she unqualified and worked in a library i.e. a library assistant? If so this needs to be changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.243.150 (talk) 13:33, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mother 

message: I just wrote a new section of the article on Morrissey's influence. I think it's of an adequate length now but it's by no means complete. Any other help would be greatly appreciated! Grunge6910 (talk) 22:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Liked it but just made one edit, which you can see in history. Only other thing I would say is that the influence of Morrissey/Smiths is such that listing artist influenced is, I think, a bit beside the point. Information (ideally sourced) about the seminal nature of his work should be included instead, with only a few particularly important bands/artists named. --FormerIP (talk) 00:15, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a couple new sources that do just that. Grunge6910 (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence 

message: I've begun the slow, arduous process of cleaning up these woefully inadequately-formatted references. Some are just a URL. Anyone want to help? Grunge6910 (talk) 02:24, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References cleanup 

message: Is Morrissey really a singer/songwriter? He usually calls himself simply a singer. The title is a little misleading as it gives the impressions he writes the music to his songs.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaimie06 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singer/songwriter? 

message: Morrissey has a ridiculously huge and loyal fanbase of Mexicans and Mexican Americans in the SW US.  There are reportedly excellent Morrissey/The Smiths Mexican cover bands.  He's even been quoted as saying that he wishes he was born in Mexico.  I'm not one of them, but I have heard of it and came here to learn more about it.  Can someone who knows more about this include at least a mention about it if not a new section.  I know at least one source is "Ask a Mexican" by Gustavo Arellano.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.208.122 (talk) 16:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexican/Latino fanbase 

message: Regarding list of bands influenced by Morrissey: first, I think it's foolish to remove such a large amount of sourced material without talkpage discussion first. Second, I understand the concern over the indiscriminate nature of the list -- does anybody have a suggestion as to better order the list? Grunge6910 (talk) 16:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We could quote some of the artists as to how Morrissey influenced their music. All the same, I think the present legacy section already succinctly conveys the fact that the singer is very influential in a variety genres. Mentioning every musician who is a fan, even with sources, makes for tedious writing. indopug (talk) 16:17, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you mentioned that. First, from what I can see the list isn't of artists who are "fans" but who have been noted as influenced by him -- quite a difference. Second, it's hardly an exhaustive list. But I'll try to rework it nonetheless. Grunge6910 (talk) 16:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If the best we can say is that "xxx was influenced by..." then it isn't really worth noting. However, if it could be expanded so that it said how/why they were influenced and what they may have had to say about Morrissey, it would be more encyclopaedic and less tedious. I think point 7 at WP:NOTDIR is relevant here, just a mention of the main artists who have had something to say about being influenced by Morrissey is relevant. --JD554 (talk) 07:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence 

message: Get ready for incoming vandalism ;\ - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8324492.stm 87.194.76.247 (talk) 04:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hospitalised, 25th October 2009 

message: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1226147/Morrissey-storms-stage-bottle-thrown-concert-goer-hits-eye.html
I laughed so hard when I saw the video of this guy getting boinked on the head with a plastic bottle (of beer?).
And where exactly do you get beer in plastic bottles?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.88.44 (talk) 14:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morrissey gets bonked on the head with a thrown plastic bottle 

message: Just wanted to ask (nicely!) why has somebody removed the words 'The Present' or at least rephrased it? (I mean, I slaved away writing it for TWO whole minutes). Surely he's moved on from the 'comeback' phrase of his career?
I also added the aformentioned 'Morrissey gets bonked on the head with thrown plastic bottle' but its since been deleted, can the person who did it please explain? Thanks appletaffy nov. 10 2009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Appletaffy (talk • contribs) 21:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The present 

message: I reinserted the following from the lede: "Morrissey's sardonic, literate lyrics tend to be 'dramatic...bleak, funny vignettes about doomed relationships, lonely nightclubs, the burden of the past and the prison of the home' (The Times). He is also noted for his unique vocal style (Rolling Stone)." These summaries of (1) his lyrical and (2) his vocal style are integral to providing an overview of the article subject, and inevitably these will be somebody or other's "assessment." No further rationale for their removal was given. Grunge6910 (talk) 21:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede 

message: I found a source regarding the song being about Morrissey -- LAist Interview: Russell Mael of Sparks -- but according to Russell the song isn't critical of Moz, so the mention of the single doesn't belong in the Music industry feuds section where it was.
Our song, "Lighten Up Morrissey" is a relationship song about a guy wishing out loud that Morrissey would relinquish some of his core values in order that the guy's girlfriend will better respect him rather than constantly wishing she were with her idol Morrissey. Morrissey only needs to lighten up in the eyes of our song's character.
So does this belong in the article, and if so, where? -- Foetusized (talk) 20:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Something like that would be better off in the "influence" section, but it's not very important compared to the other things listed there. So I would be inclined to leave it out. --JD554 (talk) 20:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Au contraire! I'd say it is at least worth a passing mention, compared to some of the tedious info currently contained in that section. It is at least a direct clear reference, as opposed to band x was influenced by band y according to website z. --92.14.11.109 (talk) 02:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A band writing a song about Morrissey doesn't compare with bands' complete styles (writing and/or music) being influenced by him. All of which, incidentally, is sourced. --JD554 (talk) 08:55, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found source re: Sparks single "Lighten up Morrissey" 

message: Was it 75000 or 28000 pounds he donated?
Just wanted to notify on the inconsistency in the article..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.123.46 (talk) 20:07, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Love Music Hate Racism concert donation 

message: The sexuality section of the article needs to be expanded, as it is a massive part of his persona. Sexual themes are evident in much of his work, and his 'campness', claims that he used to be celibate etc, leads to much interest and debate on the matter. It is strange that he references and alludes to his sexuality so much in his lyrics, CD covers, interviews etc, yet has never actually stated what orientation he is. If he really was celibate for years, that is very unusual for a man who is in such a fortunate and favourable position in society. Being a rich, famous rock singer gives him millions of potential sexual partners to chose from. He isn't ugly or out of shape - everything is in his favour. Any suggestion / claim that he is asexual is nonsense, as he frequently expresses his sexuality, be it ambiguously. He is known to have had sexual partners before and after his 'celibate years' - we just don't know the number of gender of each of them. Is he deliberately employing sexual ambiguity to gain attention / publicity - or is he just confused? He cannot have been involuntarily celibate all that time, and for him to choose to be celibate for that long is very strange, considering his opportunities. Was he actually celibate for years - and if so - was that merely to prevent kiss and tell stories? It would be good to get some insight on this from someone who actually knows him. How is he, in general, viewed by LGBT people? Do they (try to) 'claim' him as one of them, or do they dislike him for refusing to state his orientation? I've not heard of him being a gay icon, which for a singer who explores homosexual themes in some of his songs suggests there is some reason for his lack of popularity among LGBT people. Has he ever played at LGBT venues? Does he support LGBT causes, such as same-sex marriage? F W Nietzsche (talk) 11:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How about not. TheColdDick (talk) 03:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest you take a look at some of the thinking around the concept of being queer and read books by Judith Butler, who uses ideas from post-structuralism. Although not wanting to engage in discussion about the article's subject, I'd say that sexuality isn't a huge part of his persona, it's a huge part of other people's ideas and expectations about how his persona should be. Morrissey, like everyone else, has every right not to have to label himself or put himself in any sort of box. Totorotroll (talk) 13:54, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality 

message: The influence of the Moors Murders on Morrissey is possibly confirmed by the assertion made by Stuart Maconie in Pies and Prejudice that The Smiths were named for Myra Hindley's sister and brother-in-law, who reported Brady and Hindley to police. Maconie is usually a pretty reliable witness.--82.112.134.225 (talk) 20:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the version of the story told by the band. It could be Maconie's theory and just a coincidence. Exok (talk) 20:50, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moors Murders 

message: It's not as if there is some ongoing important dealings re: Morrissey or The Smiths.  I just came here to read a bit and noticed that "fuelled" is spelled wrong (only one l).  I tried to correct it.  No dice.  
My bad...I guess "fuelled" is legit.  Man...you Brits.
:What? Man, you Americans, spelling it with two L's. See what I did there? And if you want to make a change, put in an edit request, thank you! --Τασουλα  (Almira) (talk) 21:10, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this article locked? 

message: Hi could everyone please be a little less aggressive and trigger-happy? I am a new wikipedian and trying to improve Morrissey's page, which is somewhat lacking at present. It seems bizarre that an artist who is known primarily for his remarkable closeness to his fans has almost no mention of this on his biography, yet repeated mention of unfounded allegations and excessive discussion of his sexuality.
I may have tried to put a link back in inadvertently because I'm new and didn't realise a link I'd posted was deemed 'inappropriate' - I have just discovered the 'messages' page.
I wrote a very reasonable overview of 'relationship with fans' and a user called John shortly thereafter deleted it, labelling it 'rubbish' and simply removing all reference to Morrissey's relationship with his fans. I think this was unreasonable and uncompromising. This needs ot be discussed before consulting a higher authority if necessary.
Morrissey has recently devoted large amounts of time to a feud with fansite Morrissey-solo, issuing a cease and desist order, banning their owner for life and wearing a 'f*** morrissey-solo' t shirt. Nowhere is this even mentioned on the site. Not only this he has in 5 months written 3 times about a website, which again is not mentioned anywhere on the page. This is big news at the moment and has even received press coverage.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendlyfan4 (talk • contribs) 20:46, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you provide any reliable third party sources for any of this? If you can there is no reason some of it couldn't be in the article. The "rubbish" remark was not aimed at this questionable material but at the inclusion of the subject in :Category:Asexual people, which flies in the face of WP:BLPCAT. --John (talk) 21:09, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Friendlyfan4. You should have a read of some of the WP policy pages. In particular, WP:RS, WP:UNDUE and WP:BLOGS. Wikipedia is limited to covering stories that have already been covered in reliable sources such as books and newspapers. Although a large amount of text using various blogs and discussion forums as sources for things to do with those blogs and discussion forums might be fascinating to some people, other people may regard it as unwelcome trivia. And it is against Wikipedia policy. If you want to include material about Morrissey's relationship to his fans, then there is probably reliably sourced information about this out there that you could make use of, for example in one of his various biographies. That may be suitable for inclusion. --FormerIP (talk) 21:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morrissey article - repeated deletions of fan relations section 

message: According to this article he is vegetarian, yet his name appears in the list of vegans. Can anyone check the facts and make the correction where necessary?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.242.246 (talk) 17:31, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vegan or vegetarian? 

message: I've removed some of the external links in the article. Per WP:EL, links that should be avoided include "blogs, personal webpages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority". --FormerIP (talk) 19:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

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message: Morrissey himself has said several times that he is asexual, could you please put him in the category `asexual people`?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.89.231.122 (talk) 14:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  asexuality 

message: Does Morrissey hold any religious beleifs? Does he believe in God?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.234.156.139 (talk) 19:24, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: He has a gigantic Mexican/Mexican-American following and the article only just barely touches on this. Why? --76.105.145.143 (talk) 03:51, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gigantic Mexican following 

message: It looks like 1982 was the year he formed the Smiths. But other than the header date, there's no actual indication of when or how the name came into being. Anyone know?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gef05 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Smiths 

message: I don't know Morrissey. Is his face disfigured, or is the pic a very poor representation?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.88.9.95 (talk) 18:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pic 

message: This article is a wretched example of the way Wikipedia is systematically misused to puff individuals featured in it. What the piece needs is (a)serious editing by someone unbiassed, (b) preferably to one quarter of its original length.
86.165.58.188 (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it is so bad. But I think the Public Feuds and Activism section is terribly POV. Lots of it mentions people who dislike him but is very vague about why. And the section on racism spends to much time apologising for him without sources. All opinions of him, positive or negative, must be attributed to a notable commentary. Giving "examples" of why he is not racist (or is), is considered WP:OR unless the source makes the claim. Ashmoo (talk) 19:00, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

text: As an example, the description of the Madstock event and NME's commentary of it contains 1 sentence about NME's criticism and then a whole paragraph in defense of Moz. What's worse, the "defense" seems to be of something that isn't even in the article. That is, Morrissey being taken of stage. What has happened here. Either the description of the event needs to be re-included, or the "defense" needs to be removed. As it is, it makes no sense. Ashmoo (talk) 19:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've trimmed some of that, some of it because it doesn't feature in the source, and some because I agree that we don't need to defend Morrissey from allegations which are immaterial. I also think the whole "music industry feuds" section can go. He been a pop star for 30 years and done hundreds of interviews where he's asked about things he liked and doesn't like. Making a big deal out of a few random examples is trivia. Formerip (talk) 19:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

text: The article is currently over 100K, so it needs some major trimming or splitting.  I noticed that the "Biography" section contains a lot of minutiae about tour stops and press releases, especially since the 2000s, so this could be cut quite a bit.  Also, the "Legacy and influence" is too much.  Do we need a whole paragraph of quotes from Mark Simpson or a paragraph for Brandon Flowers and Colin Meloy?  The "Public Feuds and Activism" section could possibly be split off if it can't be cut anymore. - Maximusveritas (talk) 15:34, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morrissey 

message: New source where Morrissey compares eating meat to pedophillia.  --v/r - TP 16:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Source 

message: Other than the solo at the end of Death Of A Disco Dancer there hasn't been any recordings or live appearances where Morrissey has played the piano therefore I would hardly consider it a notable instrument. If there was any instrument other than his beautiful voice I'd say tamborine! So I think it's a wise idea it's removed from the page because he really isn't a pianist. JeSuisBryony 13 September 2008
He likes Farage quite a lot?   What a shame to hear that from someone who I used to hold as a hero when I was a student.  Time to chuck out the Smiths albums I think.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.225.149.5 (talk) 15:30, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any reference to Morrissey supporting Ukip or Farange. Totorotroll (talk) 18:02, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Piano 

message: I have changed the opening sentence describing Morrissey as an English singer. Looking through the archives, I saw there was already a bit of discussion about this circa 2008 but no one made a cogent argument for why it is important to distinguish between English and British. My argument is three fold:
# England has not been a sovereign nation for several hundred years
# Morrissey is not, to my knowledge, ethnic English but rather an Irish Briton
# He now lives in Los Angeles
I think referring to Moz as "English" creates unnecessary confusion regarding his ethnic and national background. He's not ethnic English, England is not a country and he doesn't live there in any case. His nationality is British and he's an expatriate residing in the US. He's as English in any sense of the word as Lennox Lewis was when he resided in Canada.
Machine Man (talk) 22:59, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: As a matter of policy, we don't normally mention ethnicity in the lead of an article, so the choices are "British" and "English". I'd personally be fine with either, but "Irish descent" doesn't get a look-in. Formerip (talk) 23:15, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: "English singer" as opposed to British singer of Irish descent 

message: It reads that Wilde was a homosexual. He was not. He had a wife and children. He believed in 'Greek Love'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.207.13.72 (talk) 00:10, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wilde 

message: I agree 100% with Mr. Morrissey regarding TSA.   They put their hands on me like I was some kind of sex toy that they couldn't get enough of.   I'm a man about Mr. Morrissey age and when another man does that, forget, I want something done to stop this.   If they gotta put their hands on me like that, then I want a women doing the search.   They threatened to not let me on the plane because I couldn't take this man groping me on every inch of my body.   I least I should be allow to choose who does this outlandish search when all I did was forget to take my belt off.   I was forced to allow this after stopping the man 3 times and then they said I would not be allowed on the plane.  Get the F out of here with this BS.  I wasn't even allowed the camera scan because the belt set off the metal detection line.  Yes, I don't travel enough to remember the belt, but stop this action on the part of TSA.   ⋅÷×−  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ADKJACK (talk • contribs) 16:59, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  TSA 

message: I suggest it is removed "Steven Patrick Morrissey" and "Morrissey" is moved to it, because Morrissey is a term that itself is generic and name of the article should respond to the legal name of the person not the "alias" and less if the alias can mean many things unrelated to this specific person --KSEltar (talk) 04:49, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly disagree here. Morrissey is known internationally as "Morrissey", not as "Steven Patrick Morrissey". All of his solo music has been released under the name of "Morrissey", as have his published books. See also Wikipedia:Article_titles#Common_names, which guides us in these matters. Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  enable move option please 

message: I admit to being woefully ignorant of Morrissey's career, but can I ask how David Bowie is an Associated Act? Apart from being a fan of his glam period and having the great Mick Ronson as a producer for an album, I fail to see the connection. However I must admit on seeing Bowie's name at the top, I neglected to read the article and just did a word search of the article for Bowie. Kempee (talk) 01:40, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the connection appears to be spurious. Morrissey was a Bowie fan and they did appear onstage once for a performance, but I don't believe that there is much deeper than that. Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:36, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associated Acts. 

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message: Wouldn't the discussion of Morrissey's sexuality improve if we acknowledged that asexuality is a thing? Look at the Asexual page and look up biromantic demisexual and Morrissey's statement about being a "humasexual" fits it perfectly.
24.20.45.251 (talk) 18:35, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is based on what reliable sources state about the subject, so any statements in the article about Morrissey's sexuality can only be based on what such sources state. For editors to make their own analyses is original research and therefore counter to Wikipedia policy. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 06:28, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality 

message: Morrissey has never been successfully pigeonholed. In his biography he criticises "alternative" as a moniker, and "indie" stopped being relevant when he signed to a big label. He's experimented with flamenco, harder rock, torch songs etc etc so why don't we do the right thing and put "Sui generis" as the first option for genre, and then put the others in brackets, if they must be there. Unfortunately, the entire reliability of the article is compromised at the moment.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.167.73.193 (talk) 22:46, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

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message: The current photograph is from 2005. We could do with having a more contemporary photograph. Luckily there are lots around.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.52.53.129 (talk) 19:03, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There aren't lots around that are available for use on Wikipedia - in fact that don't appear to be any others. Wikipedia can only use images with no copyright applied to them. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:21, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New picture needed 

message: Some lines of the article stand out as being in conflict with WP:PEACOCK:
*With Johnny Marr he established the Smiths in 1982, soon attracting national recognition for their self-titled debut album.
**The part after the comma breaches WP:PEACOCK - better would be to mention that said album debuted at number two in the UK charts - which the article on the album does.
*As the band's frontman, Morrissey attracted attention for his unconventional yet expressive baritone voice, witty and sardonic lyrics, and idiosyncratic appearance; deliberately avoiding rock machismo, he cultivated the aesthetic of a social outsider who eschewed drugs and embraced celibacy.
**Quite a few words: "unconventional",  "witty" breach WP:PEACOCK, WP:NOTOPINION. Better would be to quote magazines or writers on him, citing WP:RS
*Highly influential, Morrissey has been credited as a seminal figure in the emergence of indie rock and Britpop.
**Better would be to quote musicians and magazines who list him as influential. As it stands it is breaches not only WP:PEACOCK but WP:NOTOPINION and WP:NOT#FANSITE.
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thread_title:  WP:PEACOCK issues 

message: The fan website true-to-you.net, which previously enjoyed a relationship with Morrissey, is now offline and clicking any link to it redirects to an error page. About a dozen true-to-you.net sources are used in this article (based on my browser's search function for the keyword "true-to-you"), some of which are already archived, but the majority of which are not. I can try to help, but I think it could be beneficial if other people looked into that as well. (This is also a problem on other Morrissey-related articles, such as some of his solo albums like Years of Refusal, but that's not the focus here.) Bizarre BizarreTalk modern to me 15:50, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archives for true-to-you sources 

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: See this. Evidently he called Hitler left-wing. Doug Weller talk 11:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Meh, that's our Morrissey. Wanna look into context, or just crucify him? AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 00:27, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supporter of Britain First and Tommy Robinson, thinks Hitler is left-wing 

message: WP:Articles for deletion/Still Ill. -- Softlavender (talk) 06:15, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  At AFD: [[Still Ill]] 

message: Would they go under the political opinions section or would a new one need to be made? There's certainly been enough coverage (& criticism) of the comments in the press, these to name a few, and some others already cited in the article such as The Guardian source.
At the moment, the article does read a little whitewashed, as there's no mention of his past comments on black music as covered in The Guardian, Dallas Observer, The i etc. or the "rape capital of Europe" comments from the Der Spiegel interview, which have been covered in multiple accepted outlets. Also no mention of his support for Israel and criticism of BDS in the political opinions section or the denouncing of halal & kosher in 'Animal rights advocacy' (which should be changed at least to 'Animal welfare views & advocacy' since much of it is seen more controversial than anything else, & is hardly good press for genuine animal rights advocates). Donkey Hot-day (talk) 17:19, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: and, not &, on Wikipedia, please & thank you. - Seasider53 (talk) 20:18, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, I've been editing long enough to know the preference. I assume the response means I'm free to edit those things in? I'm not sure whether the Spacey/Weinstein stuff would count as 'political opinions'. Donkey Hot-day (talk) 00:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The article should be balanced, so I don't have a problem with your pending edits. - Seasider53 (talk) 01:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any space for the comments defending Spacey & Weinstein?