Talk:Blueshirts

message: Someone associated with this article might know more of O'Duffys National Corporate Party which I have created a stub on, and could help expand. Nagelfar 18:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Corporate Party 

message: This is the most biased article I have ever read. It should be deleted or re-written
Serious POV issue with THIS line:
"O'Duffy's adventure by raising a volunteer group to aid the Nationalist movement of Franco in Spain against the Socialist government which was brutally persecuting the Church,"
EXCUSE ME...
when did it become an unchallengeable assertion that the democratically elected Popular Front government WAS in fact persecuting the Church?  
If you were to say "the Socialist government whose opponents CLAIMED was 'brutally yada yada yada' it would be barely tolerable.  Definite rewrite or deletion needed there.
-Ken Burch
The introduction is very defensive - not describing the organisation at all, but saying that it wasn't fascist! A quite unique approach for a Wikipedia article.  124.197.15.138 (talk) 05:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased article

message: There is still considerable debate in Ireland about whether apart from General O' Duffy, other members of the Army Comrades Association and members were undoubtedly fascist, but there was little in open docterine that can associate the group with anything other than militarism and corportivism. They always maintained that they were a democratic party. I intend to change this article in this way, to even up the debate and reflect some of the acedemic opinions in Ireland at the minute. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.41.69.239 (talk) 13:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fascism 

message: Whether the Blueshirts were fascists or not will always depend on what definition of fascism is in vogue, therefore it is unlikely that a conclusion will ever be reached. However, one thing is beyond doubt- the IRA cannot be seen as an anti-fascist movement. Firstly The IRA opposed the Blueshirts in the same way they opposed any political party at the time, (i.e. The Communist Party of Ireland) with violence and intimidation. It was about political space that's why the blueshirts were opposed by the IRA in the 1930s. It would be too simplistic to assess the IRA's anti-fascist credentials on this point alone. The IRA's response to the Spanish Civil War is telling, as its leadership banned its members from participating  in the 'International fight against fascism', still an anti-fascist organisation? Finally the IRA's collaboration with the Nazi's discredits any notion of the IRA as an anti-fascist organisation. True it opposed 'fascism' in Ireland but once Ireland was rid of fascism the IRA's focus on more imediate issues. The IRA's opposition to fascism died with the blueshirts. Palingenetic 20:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The IRA anti-fascist!!

message: "Christian faith" would include Protestants.
Did they have many Protestant members?
--84.20.17.84 15:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a quotation, so it doesn't matter. They said it; we repeated it. - Revolving Bugbear 18:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not questioning the accuracy of the quotation. I'd like to ascertain whether there were Protestants or non-Irish Christian people. --84.20.17.84 15:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protestants 

message: are the Categories correct - were the Blueshirts a "political party"?  ClemMcGann (talk) 13:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: I have a family photo showing a group of Blueshirts outside Healys Pub in Foxford, Mayo. I'd be willing to let it be used for this article but was wondering what license it should be under as I don't know what the story is regarding copyright. Scan of photo here... http://flickr.com/photos/jaqian/2162010688/sizes/o/
Jaqian (talk) 12:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Image Request 

message: So who exactly were the Blueshirts? This article simply fails to give a very neat definition of what they stood for or what they wanted. Jamrifis (talk) 19:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Er......

message: Full of POV and irrelavant facts  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.24.91 (talk) 03:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor article... 

message: The protectors of Cumann na nGaedhael and the National Centre Party were also declared illegal, while the Irish Republican Army, who were mobilising against the fascist threat by breaking up their meetings and organising mass resistance, were allowed to remain legal and armed.
This paragraph doesn't read well. It already stated that the Blueshirts were banned, who then are the so called protectors of Cumann na nGaedhael and the National Centre Party? Can this paragraph be deleted? 
Also I see a lot of POV complaints, can they not just be removed to clean up the article? Jaqian (talk) 15:01, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  March on Dublin 

message: At least four passages in the intro are problematic to me:
"Fascist ideology was not widespread among rank-and-file members..." 
*What is meant by "fascist ideology" here, since the Blueshirts were clearly inspired by and remained on good terms with the Italian and Spanish varieties of fascism?
"The organisation was defensive rather than offensive in outlook..." 
*The meaning of this is unclear, as is its relevance to the question of fascism(?)
"Unlike their European counterparts, members were not known to engage in political terrorism." 
*Surely many fascist parties, including some in Europe, have not been/are not strongly associated with terrorism?
"R. M. Douglas has written: "[M]ost scholars... accept that those who have sought to find in the Blueshirts an Irish manifestation of fascism have been looking in the wrong place."
*Which implies that there is a "right place" to look, but where?
Cheers, Grant | Talk 10:32, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work needed re why "Blue weren't fascist"  

message: There have been a number of criticisms expressed about the content of the article, including the lede. The current layout/content of the lede is unsuitable (refer to the MoS on lede). I suggest moving most of the present lede to a new section entititled "Criticisms" or something like that, leaving a bare skeleton that can be improved in line with Wikipedia recommendations on layout and content. Hohenloh  +   13:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede needs improvement 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Members of the Blueshirts couldn't have fought in the Spanish Civil War as the Blueshirts were dissolved in 1933 and the Spanish Civil War didn't start until 1936. Article amended to say 'former members'. 213.233.155.149 (talk) 15:46, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dateline wrong