Talk:White Christmas (weather)

message: I have recently found the bing crosby merry christmas album set it is on decca i only have 4 sides i am missing the other 4 sides itis a 4 album set I was wandering ifit might be worth something to anyone it is in very good shape aside from not being complete if you could help me find out if it is worthless or not
best-selling singleRich Farmbrough 15:12, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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message: White Christmas (snow) reads a little strangely.  To disambiguate, maybe something like White Christmas (event) or White Christmas (phenomenon) would be better? -Runningonbrains 19:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move

message: As Hateless keeps removing the worldwide perspective tag, and I don't want to start an edit war, I'll start discussion here.
This article does not represent a worldwide view.  It mentions details and statistics for North America, and gives a little generic details about places in Europe, but makes no mention of anywhere else.  What are the chances in Russia?  Is it an important tradition there?  What about the Southern Hemisphere?  I know it's summer there, but this should be mentioned in the article for people who aren't as astute.  And where are the references?  I'm going to add a tag, as there are none in the first (and only important) paragraph.  Sorry if I sound confrontational, I don't mean to be, just want to help make a better article. -Runningonbrains 21:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldwide view 

message: The article states that Los Angeles and San Francisco have a 1% probability of experiencing a White Christmas. When did those two cities experience a White Christmas? The Los Angeles downtown area has never recorded a snowfall of an inch or more. San Francisco has six snowstorms in its recorded history, and none of them were on Christmas.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dpinzow (talk • contribs) 18:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Los Angeles and San Francisco White Christmas probability 

message: I removed the image from this article because it does not represent a white christmas - it simply showed a house in the snow. From the image description it was photographed on the 9th December so was not even taken at christmas. But apart from this technicality the image has nothing else to suggest it is a christmas scene. It is just a house in the snow. Feel free to replace the image with one taken at christmas and which includes some imagery that actually suggests it's actually christmas but please don't restore that particular image as it is not suitable. Polyamorph (talk) 18:32, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: this or this might be better, still not perfect as they were still not taken on christmas eve or christmas day but at least it has some christmas imagery (as opposed to a single undecorated house). Moreover, I'm sure if asked someone on commons would be able to come up with a suitable image, from today for example! Polyamorph (talk) 18:47, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

text: I see someone has already found an alternative! Still not taken on christmas day (as per the definition in this article) but nevertheless I personally think it is better to include some christmas imagery as opposed to simply a winter scene. Polyamorph (talk) 18:49, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
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message: Someone recently changed the discussion of 2004 being Ireland's most recent white Christmas to the current text, which claims that 2010 was a white Christmas (from previous snowfall) but then cites a source from 2006.  It's unclear to me whether or not snow on the ground - not falling - qualifies as a white Christmas in Ireland.  If so, maybe someone can find a better source?  It's good to be topical but we should be accurate.  If not, maybe we should just change it back to 2004? AgnosticAphid talk 19:19, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ireland 2010 

message: Did the concept of a "White Christmas" exist prior to Irving Berlin, or did his song make this an important concept?  Wschart (talk) 18:18, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  History per Irving Berlin 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was moved 'White Christmas' to White Christmas (weather) and move the disambiguation page to White Christmas. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:08, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: *ETA: I would not oppose making White Christmas a disambiguation page, either. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:57, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

text: *Furthermore, is there any proof that the term "White Christmas" was used before the song existed? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 02:51, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

text: **"White Christmas is attested from 1857."  Powers T 20:01, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Oppose I agree that the disambiguation page should be primary link when people just link to White Christmas and not White Christmas (song), kind of like Joker goes straight to a disambiguation page.  It would be hard to determine whether White Christmas the song or White Christmas the movie should just be called White Christmas.  I agree that the real move should be just for the term White Christmas, like to White Christmas (weather event) or White Christmas (term). Housewatcher (talk) 05:48, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

text: *Since there seems to be support to just make White Christmas a dab page, I have amended the discussion accordingly. I support making White Christmas a dab page. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:54, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

text: *Prospective closer's comments I would close this right now – obviously we have clear support for the move of the dab page here. However, you may or may not be aware of the major cleanup this type of move requires (to be done right). On a typical close, you maybe have ten double redirects to fix, a fair use image, a lead and hatnote tweak and a sort key. This type of move, by contrast, disconnects all the pages that pointed here, leaving all those pages needing hand dabbing (there's about 600, and no, there's no bot that does this in the move's wake). So, with that in mind, we need a clear consensus on where this page will point, so that the work inherent in this type of move is not done in vain. Per above, right now the prospects appear to be White Christmas (weather) and White Christmas (term).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:01, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: *The vast majority of that ~600 incoming links are either from the Christmas template, or should be aiming for White Christmas (song) as it is. If, theoretically, the page were moved to White Christmas (weather) and then moved again to White Christmas (term), there would not be anything like 600 links that would be changed to the former and that would then have to be changed again. Theoldsparkle (talk) 15:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Frustratingly, despite my note, this was closed without any of the pages it broke being fixed (not even the redirects repointed). I have hand dabbed 185 pages, after looking at about 600. Took about three hours. Closes should not be done if the cleanup is not going to be undertaken.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:25, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

text: As far as I could tell, closing of this RM has no bearing on the cleanup, because most of the inbound links are supposed to go to White Christmas (song), which could be corrected at any time regardless of the outcome or even the existence of this RM. ~Amatulić (talk) 15:06, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: After fixing the link in :Template:Christmas, I don't see anywhere near 600 pages in article space linking to White Christmas. Less than 150 total, and many of those are user pages, archives, talk pages, etc. that don't need to be changed. ~Amatulić (talk) 15:19, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

text: Of course I cleaned up those as well because I needed to look at all the pages to see which were broken, but no, there were 31 links broken by the move. Just because a larger portion were already broken, and that meant a lot more needed to be looked at than would be the case in other circumstances, doesn't mean the 31 links broken by the move didn't need to be cleaned up.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:35, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I still don't understand how that was an argument for delaying the move. The links needed cleanup before; they needed cleanup after (and probably still do, but I haven't looked). Theoldsparkle (talk) 18:07, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

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message: White_Christmas_(weather)#Tables_for_North_America is almost certainly corrupt. how could Concord NH have only a 23% chance when nearby Portland Maine has 83% ? If we have no way to verify the data, the whole chart is unreliable. i notice one wrong value but Im skeptical of all of the rest.  the low number for Concord NH has apparenrtly been in the article for at least 4 yrs. —Soap— 20:29, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: As a screen reader-using weather nut from Down Under who can't use maps , I found the tables very interesting and useful when I read the article a few years ago. I've discovered some relatively up-to-date links for this data, so I've put the tables back with footnotes to the new sources. The US figures indeed varied a lot more than the Canadian ones. I hope I haven't messed anything up ... and if I have data-wise, the info can properly be verified now! Graham87 13:08, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you very much.  I think I did the right thing, since having no data is better than having false data, and I was on a mobile hotspot throughout all of 2018 so I could not easily track down better data. I wasnt just doing it to make more work for other people. I notice now that the UK data is corrupt too .... I'll fix that in a little while.  Thanks, —Soap— 14:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  source?? 

message: Minor point - in some paragaphs we have "X in (y cm)" and in some it's "Y cm (X in)". What is the convention showing metric and imperial equivalents ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.71.108 (talk) 09:32, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  units