Talk:Pope Benedict XV

message: Ok, that was a damn impressive edit - Benedict XVI was included only hours after his election.  Now if someone who was familiar with the whole story of his relationship with Turkey and the statue they built for him could chime in we'd be even better off.
Benedict XV was not noted as an anti-modernist - certainly he was less anti-modern than his predecessor.  If Ratzinger had wanted to show his anti-modernism, I'd have thought "Pius" would be the obvious name. john k 02:36, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: An accurate assessment, worth adding to the article, might begin with a reading of his encyclicals, available at the link. --Wetman 04:43, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Benedict XVI

message: Childish edit reversions about whether or not to include the title do remind us that, though the current pope is so styled, "His Holiness" should not be applied to popes before the honorific was assumed, and that "Pope" is an anachronism when speaking of early bishops of Rome. BtW, I see we do not refer to "His Majesty Louis XVI" at Wikipedia. He was certainly so styled. Why do you suppose that is? --Wetman 22:04, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Goodness. I'm not part of this childish edit war, not having contributed here since 27 April. I also knew nothing of such "voting". There's certainly no doubt that Benedict XV was styled "His Holiness". But it's a good thing editors like Jtdir have the leisure and inclination to police this stuff. Hats off to them, say I. --Wetman 00:09, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "His Holiness"

message: A discussion occurred at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (biographies)/Style War proposed solution about a solution to the ongoing style wars on Wikipedia. The consensus favoured replacing styles at the start of articles by an infobox on styles in the article itself. I have added in the relevant infobox to this article. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 23:06, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Styles infobox

message: How can this article describe Benedict XV as "sovereign of Vatican City" when no such entity existed during his reign, and he himself undoubtedly would have denied its existence?  --Russ Blau (talk) 19:14, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I may be way off on this, but wasn't there something in the Lateran Treaty which backdated the existence of a sovereign Vatican state to Italian unification, since successive Popes had refused to acknowledge the Italian government's territorial claims anyway? It's been years since I read about this stuff so, as I say, I might be hugely off base. 81.104.160.179 16:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vatican City? 

message: I had thought the picture of this pope in the hat similar to the one he is depicted in here (http://www.teachersparadise.com/ency/en/media/5/56/pope_benedict15.jpg) had appeared in this article.  I believe he is depicted walking wearing it.  Oddly I could not find the image exactly (though the hat or similar hats was easy) in google images, I think it is the visual impression most people associate with him (indeed every time he shows up on the History channel it is some old reel footage depicting just that).  If someone knows what I'm talking about I'd appreciate if that or a similar image appeared in the article. Reboot 08:00, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: I study some Latin but I'm not that well-versed in Italian, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.  But doesn't Giacomo mean Jack?  So doesn't that mean the Pope's name was actually "Jack of the Church"?  Weird, like he was born for it.J.J. Bustamante 02:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Holy Father's name -- Giacomo della Chiesa

message: In the Wiki article on Pope Benedict XV, it says that he pretty much gave away his personal fortune to needy visitors to the Vatican to such an extent that money had to be borrowed for his funeral. As a head of state, it seems that he would certainly be entitled to a funeral supplied by the Vatican without having to go into his own pockets to pay for it. I've read elsewhere that he was equally generous with papal funds which leads me to suspect that he might have badly depleted the Vatican treasury during World War One, a massive opportunity to spend money if ever there was one, to the point where a decent funeral befitting this great and, in my opinion, sadly under-appreciated man might have put the Vatican in a tight spot financially.
Any light you could shed on this matter would be appreciated. Chris J. Strolin 20:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have a question regarding the article on Pope Benedict XV. 

message: Are we over stating it?  The picture caption states that "Benedict XV supported the theology of Co-redemtrix of the Virgin Mary."  But when we read the language cited from his pastoral letter, the language is quite tentative and qualified.  He says that Mary "gave up her rights as the mother of her son ... as far as she was permitted to do," and that "one can say" that she helped earn our redemption, and so forth.  Saying "as far as she was permitted to" is not the same saying "as far as Christ did," and saying "one can say" is not the same as saying "and I -- your Pope -- do so say, in the name of the entire Church proclaiming a doctrine that is held by every member of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic church of Christ, the Son of God," etc.  In other words, the statement that "Benedict XV supported the theology of Co-redemtrix" leaves us an idea of unqualified papal support, whereas his actual words sound more like personal lip service, but without the trappings of papal infallibility pronouncing an essential dogma.  168.98.67.11 (talk) 22:23, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Co-redemtrix Issue

message: It was about the teaching authority of the Church and the divorce of faith from reason, especially reason at the service of science. The whole section on Humani Generis needs to be removed or drastically rewritten. The footnotes to the text of the article do not correspond to the actual encyclical itself. If anything, there is a very remote connection between the education of priests and the refutation of error (Humani Generis Art. 31), but not from the pulpit.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.243.135.7 (talk) 03:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  ok, 5 years later, but if anyone sees this:  Humani generis redemptionem of Benedict XV is not the same document as Humani generis of Pius XII, 1950.--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point!  Canon Law Junkie §§§ Talk 18:56, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: !Richardson mcphillips (talk) 19:59, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Humani Generis was not about preaching! 

message: Is there some pic of this document? It would be great to include this photo in article. I was looking for it in several publication but I cannot find it.--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 07:47, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Benedict XV peace proposal (august 1917)

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thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: There are a number of short citations in this article that do not have full references in the references section.
*"Franzen 380, 382". It was introduced with this edit (Revision as of 10:42, 31 July 2008 by ) Probably best fixed by looking for the quote "he gained respect for himself and the papacy" in Franzen p. 382.
*"AAS 1921, 345";  Introduced (Revision as of 16:20, 5 September 2008  by Ambrosius007). It was probably copied from the article Mariology of the popes and there it links to  "Acta Apostolicae Sedis, referenced as AAS by year."
*"De Waal 14–15"  Introduced (Revision as of 09:09, 4 September 2008 by  Ambrosius007). Could this be from a biography by Anton de Waal (1915).
*"Pollard 15" Introduced (Revision as of 14:27, 5 September 2008 by  Ambrosius007). The quote is taken from here
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*"1913"  Introduced (Revision as of 11:46, 7 September 2008 by Ambrosius007) Probably the YOD in a footnote by mistake.
*"Schmidlin III, 305" introduced (Revision as of 14:55, 6 September 2008  by Ambrosius007). It is also a footnote in Vatican and Eastern Europe (1846–1958) which contains the long references:
**Josef Schmidlin Papstgeschichte, Vol I-IV, Köstel-Pusztet München, 1922–1939
*"Stehle 25" (Revision as of 14:55, 6 September 2008  by Ambrosius007). The quote "While he tried honestly to show himself as a friend of Poland..." appears in this article, Pope Pius XI and Poland and in Pietro Gasparr when it was more fully cited:
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*"World War One"  introduced (Revision as of 16:54, 5 September 2008 by  Ambrosius007) -- no idea.
*"C VII, §50"    introduced (Revision as of 10:41, 10 September 2008 by  Ambrosius007) see also Mariology of the popes where it was introduced 3 minutes later by  Ambrosius007.
*"Quod Iam Diu 1"
** Full text of the encyclical Quod Jam Diu of Benedict XV  the on Vatican Website .
*"Ad_Beatissimi_Apostolorum"
**http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ad_Beatissimi_Apostolorum
*"Maximum Illud" 
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-- PBS (talk) 17:55, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: I noticed that the man's original name was given as "Giacomo [...] della Chiesa", but when the last name alone is used, it is written "Della Chiesa" with a capital D.  Shouldn't "della" be uncapitalized in the short form if it is not capitalized in the long form? 138.16.18.34 (talk) 16:57, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization of name 

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message: "Benedict XV celebrated Mass with the nuns at the Domus Sanctae Marthae in early January 1922 and while he waited for his driver out in the rain he fell ill with the flu which turned into pneumonia."
The above sentence is not reliably sourced. It seems improbable to me for more than one reason. Can anyone provide a solid supporting reference? 90.253.205.141 (talk) 06:45, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death and legacy 

message: I wonder if this image is already on the commons or not? From Servet-i Funun https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129156/529/PFSIF9170906A100.jpg WhisperToMe (talk) 01:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of this pope in a Turkish magazine