Talk:House (TV series)/Archive 3

message: Can someone take a look at the use of the word ironic in the third paragraph of the Plot section.  That use seems off to me...  I could be wrong, in which case delete this item, but I think that that sentence could be rewritten to express the same thought without using ironic. Acq3 23:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Irony?

message: The entry in 'theme music' states that the song "Any Other Name" by Thomas Newman is used during melancholy moments in the show. That song is originally from the film American Beauty, and I have never heard this during the show, however similar-sounding piano music is used which may have led to this incorrect conclusion. Patriarch 02:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Any Other Name"

message: Is the "value" of this really necessary? I mean, does a phrase used at one collge/university have enough merit to be in an encycolpedia? Bbroach725 18:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: House-enburg Uncertainty Principle

message: I removed a number of errors. First, the article stated that House's Hallucination in Meaning was the result of the absence of his leg pain in the beginning of Season 3, although CLEARLY House askes for ketamine when he wakes up. 
In addition, it said that both House and Holmes refuse to admit that their drug habits are addictions. However, in the season 1 episode "Detox" House admits that he is addicted, but that it isn't a problem.
Ester Doyle's name was spelled Esther in the article. Although House did spell it "Esther" on his white board, the file says Ester, which can be assumed to be the correct name.
The article said that it was revealed in Meaning that House's shooter was to be named Moriarty. However, this was never stated during the show, but the shooter was simply named Moriarty in the script.
Bbroach725 03:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed factual errors 

message: "Very funny" from the end of Dr. Foreman's description, "Also cannot match clothes/wear anything tasteful to save his life" from the end of Dr Chase's, and "Has a thing for vests/pantsuits and hair clips" from Dr Cameron's.
Another comment that caught my eye; rarely anyone dies. I recall an episode where a lady was bitten by a bat and had rabies? I believe she died. but not to sure. Sorry if I made an error in typing this here, first time. huy2k 59.167.185.208 10:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can recall two episodes where at least one person died in the end, the Rabies/Homeless woman, and the College student/Radioactive material one.  I've seen mosts episodes, and can't currently recall any others, and frankly don't feel like researching.  If anyone can recall any other episodes bring it up, because this quip does seem to be an interesting point on the show and worth inclusion.D-rew 20:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, off the top of my head there's also the police officer who got Foreman sick, and the old researcher who wanted a physician-assisted suicide.  Can't find a guide to how many patients have died, despite all the lists of other trivia out there...  I haven't seen all the episodes but I also feel like considering how often patients are on the brink of death, not very many of them actually die.  Which is to be expected; House and the team are supposed to be really, really good at what they do, and even if it's not realistic to expect them to solve every case, TV viewers would take failures as evidence that they just weren't that good.  I guess it's worth noting that while the police officer died, they did still solve the mystery (and save Foreman). *ahem*  Anyway, in my opinion it's probably worth including the statement that patients rarely die. --Galaxiaad 21:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and as for the physician-assisted suicide guy: in the end they did solve the mystery before he died, and he got his wish because they found his disease was incurable.  Could it have worked out any other way? ;) --Galaxiaad 21:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think "rarely" is the word. In edition to the homeless woman, the college student, and the police officer, there was also baby in "Maternity", the wife in "Babies and Bathwater", and both the mother and baby in "Forever". If this issue must be included, I think it should be "often" rather than "Rarely". SousaFan88 02:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also the patient that Foreman accidentally killed by treating her for cancer, when in actuallity she had an infection.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.134.12.86 (talk) 06:24, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed some odd comments 

message: What's up with the "I've never seen someone die" bit at the end of the plot section? 12.10.217.50 14:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah, I got rid of that. --RazorICE 08:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First person voice in plot section? 

message: On the character list it mentions two recurring characters:
* Stacy Warner (Sela Ward) – Dr. House's ex-girlfriend and former lawyer for Princeton-Plainsboro Teaching Hospital.
and
* Edward Vogler (Chi McBride) – Billionaire owner of a pharmaceutical firm and former board chairman of the hospital.
I've just bought season 2 of House and I'm working my way through it; AFAIK Stacy Warner is still the lawyer. If she become the 'former' lawyer is this not giving something away about what is to come? In the same way, stating that Edward Vogler is the former board chairman is both giving away that he will take over the role and that he will lose this position for someone who is working their way through season 1.
--Shastrix 17:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, and the characters list is before the spoiler tags.  I suppose one thing we could do is just move the template up... what would you suggest though?  If we leave out the word "former" then it wouldn't be currently true... --Galaxiaad 20:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The main characters are involved from the outset, so knowing about them isn't really spoiling anything; the recurring characters on the other hand turn up later in the series and may therefore reveal aspects of the plot. I think placing the recurring characters within the spoilers section would probably be best as editing the descriptions will make them inaccurate and removing them would render the section meaningless. --Shastrix 19:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided to move the spoilers tag to above where the recurring characters are mentioned. Even though this makes the format of the article less aesthetically pleasing, I feel mentioning details of the polt outside the tag constitutes spoliers. --Shastrix 14:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: You could also remove them entirely as they aren't recurring characters anymore... Trcrev 21:27, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilers? 

message: Hey, if you've looked at some of the first season episodes, you'll see that I've started some of the episode pages but there's no real content there. I got a message saying that they would be deleted soon if they're not filled in a little bit. I'm not very good at that and I was wondering if you guys would be willing to help fill in some of the info to save having to redo the work again. Even basic info would keep it alive a little bit longer. Sorry for my incompetance :(  --Sidewinded 23:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Empty Episode Deletion 

message: ::Parts of the script are regularly changed in content during translation in order to make contexts understandable also for people unfamiliar with American culture. For example in the episode "Honeymoon" (1-22) Dr. Cameron asks Stacy about people with mental diseases in her husband's family. In the original version she answers: "His sister voted for Nader - twice!" while in the German dubbed version Ralph Nader's name is replaced by the one of George W. Bush.
Is that really necessary? I've always understood that that kind of thing is standard practice for dubbing TV shows and movies, and as such isn't unique to this show at all. --Switch 11:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dubbing" section 

message: Exactly how much of the season 2 finale was hallucinated?  The article currently says "the entire episode" but clearly that isn't true, since he *was* shot...  I'm still a little confused about the whole thing though, so clarification is welcome. --Galaxiaad 03:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll see if I can clarify it on the article. It's been a while since I've seen the episode, but basically everything between him being shot and seeing him wheeled in on a hospital bed was hallucinated, if I recall correctly. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 03:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It is almost impossible to establish exactly how much of the episode was hallucinated, so let's just use a qualitative amount. I would say most of it was except for when he got shot and the end when he woke up. I think that everything in between was hallucinated because in a season 3 episode, Wilson (or was it foreman?) says "They never caught the guy," which implies that he was never shot and hospitalized, which would make the whole middle part hallucinated. -KLink/NiN10col/Neotendo123 00:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes-after he's shot and we see the shocked looks on the Ducklings, it goes to the theme song montage and opening and everything thereafter is a hallucination until we see him being rushing into the ER at the very end. Now, I think what you're talking about being "impossible to establish" would be the hallucinations inside the hallucinations (tricky people at FOX, eh?), which were somewhat clarified in various parts throughout the episode, but I'm not going to go through my DVDs just to find it. 72.184.172.77 03:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Season 2 finale

message: I'm working on a request to improve the episode template, and I need to know that. I can't find it anywhere in the article. -Amarkov blahedits 00:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I second the Diagnosis in the episode guide movement. -KLink/NiN10col/Neotendo123 00:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I meant seasons, sorry. I'm going to go add a diagnosis parameter now. -Amarkov blahedits 16:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added as . -Amarkov blahedits 16:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many series are there? 

message: In the opening credits, the word House is displayed for a few seconds, and then M.D. fades in slightly to the right and below the line. Should this article be redirected to a new article that reflects the "correct" title? - Dudesleeper 03:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure this was debated in the Archives (top right). It was originally at House, MD I think, and moved here because Fox publicity material and schedules referred to it as "House".Sockatume 04:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Please see previous discussions here and here. The quick summary is that all "official" material refers to the show as "House" without the "M.D.", while some unofficial sites (such as IMDB) do use the "M.D.". There are plenty of redirects to this article, so no reader will have difficulty finding it. SuperMachine 12:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Some "official" material refers to "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" as DS9 other give it the full name. This is just another example of abbreviating the title. ≈ Seraph 11:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: House covers a lot of technical stuff and has very interesting and graphic medical procedures and diagnostic methods. But do they reflect real life? Do doctors in a high class hospital really sit in groups and discuss one patient like that, do they follow a similar method of deduction like with the whiteboards and guessing? Do they really do all the interesting things, like clamping that girls head and killing her for a while for a test in episode 2 of season 2? If anyone has access to a feature on these things, or is a doctor themselves, it would be brilliant to see a section talking about this on the House (TV) page JayKeaton 14:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, no. Check this out:  . I posted that in the article a few months ago, but it was removed. It should answer your questions. dposse 19:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a very good article Dposse, it should definitely be an external link with the name "USA Today looks into the realism of House" or summat like that. JayKeaton 07:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it is a good article. Perhaps we can put it back into the "reception" section, and put a small paragraph explaining that the ethics of the show are criticised as being low. dposse 14:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: realism

message: Would someone like to weigh in here on what the genre should be? A week ago, it was Drama. Now, it's dramedy. Should it stay the way it is, or change it? dposse 19:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, done. dposse 14:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, it's definitely a medical drama, but is disputedly a comedy because of House's wisecracks, as well as some minor gags. Would it be appropriately to call it a medical dramedy? -KLink/NiN10col/Neotendo123 00:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I hate the term 'dramedy'. It's a Medical Drama - dramas don't have to be entirely serious. Iorek85 06:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with everyone saying that drama doesn't mean that it can't be funny.  The oldest dramas and tragedies still had comic relief, consider Shakespeare.  Medical drama is an apt and appropriate discussion. Shawn 12:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, its a Medical Drama, that's it. Its funny to most people, but its possible that they aren't trying to be. So since theirs no obviousness to comedy factor (like in Scrubs), I'd have to say its a drama, not a dramedy. (Ack, I hate that word.) Unforgotten 19:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre: dramedy, drama, medical drama? 

message: I'm not exactly sure, but aside from the video games, he also plays with a bouncy ball with his cane. he catches it and bounces it off the wall, and in more than one episode he's had the Yo-Yo. I went ahead and added them. Stereocaster 05:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a thinking tool for House. He uses the bouncing ball to give him something to concentrate on when trying to find the answer to the puzzle. dposse 01:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I love it when he does that type of thing. But wasn't that already added? I might be late, of coarse. Sorry if I am. Unforgotten 19:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Balls and Yo-Yo's

message: It looks to me like the picture of House on the page has been vandalized, since instead of a mild stubble he has a beard, a Santa beard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.109.197.104 (talk) 05:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture Vandalization 

message: The character traits section is rather lengthy and is focused almost entirely on House (the character). I think it would be ideal to have a short summary in this article and merge the more detailed information into the Gregory House article. Opinions? SuperMachine 17:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely agreed. This is about House, the series, not House, the character. Rarr 08:17, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character traits section 

message: The spoiler tag in this article was moved up from the bottom of the article to the point just above where a discussion of season two begins. Perhaps it should be moved back down? I leave that to those who know better. 24.160.206.18 14:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler Tag Placement 

message: I know the character list has links to each character's page, but shouldn't there be a little more info about the characters? I mean, more than just their jobs? Just saying...68.1.98.64 02:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character List 

message: does anyone think the plot can be written a little bit better? dposse 16:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  plot. 

message: Is this really relevant in an encyclopedia entry? It borders on fancruft. I'm going to remove it unless a compelling argument on why it is relevant can be made. TheKillerAngel 23:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At most a sentence could be added into the plot section. Certainly doesn't need a separate heading. Koweja 23:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be part of the plot section. Sure, it doesn't need a separate section, but calling it fancruft is a bad way of removing it. Rarr 04:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Gambling" section 

message: I have listed Airdates of House (TV series) for AfD.  The nomination can be found here.  Thanks.  --  Wikipedical 20:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airdates of House AfD 

message: Does the info on the morrison/spencer really need to be in this article?  Shouldn't this be posted on the individual actor's pages?  WLU
:I agree, so I removed it.  If anyone wants it reinstated, we can discuss it here. --Galaxiaad 05:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  engagement 

message: Should the pharmacist be incuded as a minor charater--Ut713 05:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. If he ever becomes at all important, then yes, but as it stands, he's not important enough. Rarr 22:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he's as important as the head nurse.  I mean, we know his name (Marco) and he's in quite a few eps looking disapprovingly at House...  Then again, maybe neither Marco nor Brenda is really important enough.  I don't know. --Galaxiaad 22:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with Ut713 and Galaxiaad.  If the nurse has become important enough to be listed, the pharmacist should definitely be included.  Perhaps it might even be mentioned that he has a serious distrust for House as (I believe it was) in Merry Little Christmas where he hesitated before giving House the Oxycodone for the dead man upstairs - the pills Cuddy lied about in Words and Deeds.  (I am unsure exactly which episode House acquired the pills in, but I know it is around that point.)  Occam's Razor might also be of interest; House rifles through every drug in the pharmacy with Marco standing over as he looks for the yellow pill Brandon had been taking instead of cough medicine. Limp Trizkit 00:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pharmacist 

message: this section has gotten out of hand. It has become every random IP's sandbox for every crazy connection they can make between a story made by a author over a hundred years ago and a medical drama made a few years ago. It's fun to make these connections, but it is far from encyclopedic.  dposse 18:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there has to be some room for compromise.  It seems fair to mention the legitimate connection / homage, given the reference above, but I agree that it shouldn't turn into a place for people to speculate on all of the tiny similarities.  Even one comment in a trivia section, cited, would be sufficient.  Unfortunately, your most recent edit wiped out everything. •JZ• 18:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a wiki, my friend. Everything old can become new again. dposse 18:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: hmmm someone posted my theory already but i dont think its a pun i still think its symbolic —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Berserkerxiii (talk • contribs) 14:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  holmes/house original research 

message: I made a statement after the "Recurring Character" section on Vogler that he was only present in the second season. Why was this reverted? It's listed for Tritter... .V. [Talk|Email] 23:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Vogler was first season; Stacy was the central recurring character in the second season. Rarr 23:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooh, snap. I screwed up. Anyway, could we have the corrected version in there? .V. [Talk|Email] 01:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why not have Vogler's duration? 

message: Listing Volger, Stacy, etc. as "recurring" seems a misnomer. Recurring means they appear several times, but by that definition even House himself should be considered "recurring." How about renaming this section to "minor characters" or "other notable characters" or something to that effect? --Elgringo18 21:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Recurring is an often used TV term for characters which are major, but are not there all of the time, as well as more minor characters. Stacy is definitely a major character while she's on the show, for example, so calling her a minor character would be misleading. The pharmacist is a minor character, like Coma Guy.  Rarr 09:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recurring(?) characters

message: The 'airing in other countries' section is getting rather long, and should be cut down to a paragraph or two with a link to a separate article for the list --Elgringo18 21:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be totally removed. Wikipedia is not a tv-guide. Garion96 (talk) 13:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there's a bit of merit to it, but could definitely be shortened.  Perhaps combine places where it debuted on the same month/year together or something.  Is there a good reason to include it?  And the entire section on 'In North America' is absurd, moving it around 'cause of baseball?  WLU 20:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a nice little chart previously, but it was spun off into another article (see this diff—unrelated, but can you link to a diff without using the full URL?), which then got deleted because Wikipedia is not a TV guide (see deletion discussion here).  I agree at least to the extent that WLU does, but I think even what we might keep would be trivia at best, and would encourage people to keep adding their own countries.  I think it's probably best to delete the whole thing (including the North America stuff—the start and end dates of each season are useful though). --Galaxiaad 22:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed it, see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Airdates of House (TV series) where the consensus clearly was to remove that information, not to merge it in this article. Garion96 (talk) 20:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In other countries 

message: The latest section just added (diff) is without a reference, and lacking one it really, really looks like original research.  Does anyone (i.e. Nairebis) have one?  I'm moving it to the talk page until a ref shows up.  WLU 20:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The bulk of the post is based on the actual facts of the opening sequence. I was careful not to add a lot of interpretation, though admittedly I added a little bit with (also admittedly) some weasel words. If everything in Wikipedia had to be absolutely sourced before it could be added (and hopefully improved later), there would be no Wikipedia. I think that since the bulk of it is factual based on the actual (verifiable) show, it's a reasonable addition, and can be improved with time and hopefully some of the interpratation can be ultimately sourced. But I will wait to hear a few opinions before I re-revert your change. Nairebis 21:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm understanding you correctly, you are reporting the juxtaposition of the character (via the actor's name) with an anatomical feature/part/diagram/scenery (Cameron), something which is observable by watching the opening sequence, but adding the interpretation that each character and image are linked.  Looking over the list they do intuitively make sense, but I still think it verges on original research.  That being said, I'm open to being shouted down by everyone else - my one revert and this conversation is sufficient to satisfy my concerns.  WLU 22:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, who is David Chase? His name is David SHORE. I think they got confused after writing Robert Chase. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.70.153.75 (talk) 04:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops. :) Nairebis 05:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I would agree that this is rather original-research-ish, and therefore not suitable for an encyclopedia entry. If you could find something else backing this up, then that would be different, but I feel like these are your own interpretations of the title juxtapositions, and therefore your opinions. Others could certainly come up with different theories regarding what the titles signify, if anything at all. I appreciate your effort, and I think that if there is something documented about this, that it might be something interesting to add. As is, though, I don't think it's appropriate. --Twilightsojourn 08:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

text: As it happens, the Gray's anatomy illustration ain't that of the cerebral cortex, but of the pituitary gland, the corpus callosum, and the frontal cortex - all leading credence to the conscience/emotional expression notion. Still unencyclopedic without references, but.... --moof 04:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening sequence section 

message: Hey guys, I was wondering if we could add a pop culture references column to the main article. House is a well known show and has been mentioned in several facets of entertainment like Mad Tv, Psych, and Scrubs.
:Should go in those articles, not House.  The page is already big and that could be a long list for such a popular show.  WLU 23:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea to me. Nftrot 00:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop Culture References 

message: Removed following:  "*The font used for signage within Princeton-Plainsboro Teaching Hospital is Johnston Sans, better known as the font used for signage on the London Underground." pending reference and I don't know if it should go in anyway - kinda irrelevant.  WLU 23:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should definately not go into those articles, it should go into the House article.  If we listed every reference to other pop-culture House makes, it would take pages.  Prominent mentions in other popular shows/books/movies should be listed here.  For example, House says in one episode (paraphrase) "Uh-oh, better call Jack Bauer".  That should be included here.  Demosthenes X 01:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Font

message: If someone could take a new screencap and replace the one used on Who's Your Daddy? (House episode), which has pretty bad artifacts, I'd appreciate it. --Sopoforic 12:53, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screencap 

message: In my opinion, under "Recurring characters" the description of Michael Tritter (David Morse)
should be better explained in this way:
 – Police officer who bears resentment against Dr. House in a third season story arc.
instead of
 – Police officer who bears malice against Dr. House in a third season story arc.
Clear, concise and the concept was stated by almost all the main characters (and most of the others).
FrancoK 23:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Tritter (David Morse) 

message: As far as I can tell, the House article has been protected for several days because of a disagreement between "originally known as House MD" and "also known as House MD".
While the series is currently being broadcast, it is clear that we are missing edits from interested people.
Can't this irrelevant issue be resolved and the article returned to circulation? cojoco 00:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the article should not be protected due to a minor discussion on the talk page. Can the article be reverted back to its non-protected state as soon as possible? Stickeylabel 03:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I have submitted a request for unprotection. So hopefully the article will be unprotected soon. Stickeylabel 03:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think that would depend on if a reasonable compromise has been reached on the first sentence - is it "House, also known as House M.D..."?  That's why it was protected in the first place.  WLU 03:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is House protected?

message: So, with all the back and forth, can everyone agree that, irrespective of it's original or current title, House is also known as House M.D. in a variety of venues?  By having the first sentence to the article as "House, also known as House M.D..." , it avoids what it was called originally, and acknowledges that it is currently known by both terms, officially and unofficially.  Does anyone object?  Can we request the unprotection of the page?  WLU 04:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. --Galaxiaad 00:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely. That's what we had before, though the only person objecting to it has apparently left. I'd moot 'sometimes' as an alternative as well. This page has been protected too long. Iorek85 00:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Makes sense - even if it changed its name it was known as House M.D. at one point so obviously it goes by both names. Koweja 01:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just happy we've finally unprotected the page, and hopefully we can keep it from being protected for so long in the future.  WLGades 11:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree, though if we really wanted to be accurate, it would be "House M.D., also known as House". The title card says "House M.D.", therefore, that's the official title. I don't care enough about the issue to insist on the ordering, though. Nairebis 20:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Nairebis. dposse 02:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, before we could assert such a statement we'd need a reliable source stating that the official title indeed contains "M.D.". As it stands now, the official site's show info page is as close as we have to official information on the title and it never uses the "M.D.". I'm happy with the way it currently reads since I think there's little dispute that both names are in general use, official or not. ChazBeckett 03:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First sentence 

message: I think it was implied pretty clearly in "Insensitive" that Cuddy is an endocrinologist, but it definitely hasn't been stated outright like other characters' specialties have.  What do others think about including this? --Galaxiaad 01:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haven't seen season 3, but I think the specializations which keep getting put in and taken out should be referenced or at least discussed.  People who have been adding them - got an episode?  WLU 01:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was referenced on Cuddy's page, from which the same editor removed the specialization: Episode 3x14.  House mentions that he needs an endocrinologist and then shows up on her doorstep.  Granted, it does not come right out and post her resume, but it is certainly inferred.  Kuru talk 01:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Quick google search shows a lot of agreement with C=E, and the Fox website show summary supports the inference that she is .  Is this source reliable, is it a valid inclusion given the sparsity of the data?  It's as close as we'll get to canon without season 3's DVDs.  WLU 11:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote yes.  The episode seems to imply it very strongly, and the summary just serves to confirm that.  WLGades 05:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cuddy=endocrinologist?

message: Hi.
I have requests from my users from my website who would like to see <a href="http://www.house-boards.com">House M.D. Boards</a> listed in the External Links section of this article. I was informed that they have posted the link here before, but was removed (I suspect that my users did not get it verified prior to posting it).
I understand that I probably should introduce my site first: it is one of the most active fan-created international House message boards, and has been a round for just a little over a year.
So yea, that's about it. I don't usually do much requests, but this is one of a few exceptions due to popular...request by my users. While it would be nice to have my website link featured here, no hard feelings if it does not win the approval of the persons in charge of maintaining this article.
Regards,
Colorito 06:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Short answer is probably not; it would have to be the most active fan-created MB.  See WP:EL for details.  WLU 11:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Website Link? 

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
# Strong support. There is nothing more official than the show itself. Wikipedia should reflect what's on the title card, which is the ultimate primary source. Nothing else matters as much as that. Or to put it another way, if I drop a DVD of episodes (and a TV rig) on the proverbial desert island to give the survivors some entertainment, what would they say the show is called? They would say it's called "House M.D.". They wouldn't say, "Well, we need to reserve our opinion until we see if it's called something different on Fox's web site." Nairebis 15:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a guideline stating we have artistic license to change internationally copyrighted trademarks on a whim because it's what the 'average person' percieves the name to be even if it is correct?  Your argument is logically flawed.  Jachin 05:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: # Strong support. There is nothing more official than the show itself. Wikipedia should reflect what's on the title card, which is the ultimate primary source. Nothing else matters as much as that. Or to put it another way, if I drop a DVD of episodes (and a TV rig) on the proverbial desert island to give the survivors some entertainment, what would they say the show is called? They would say it's called "House M.D.". They wouldn't say, "Well, we need to reserve our opinion until we see if it's called something different on Fox's web site." Nairebis 15:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a guideline stating we have artistic license to change internationally copyrighted trademarks on a whim because it's what the 'average person' percieves the name to be even if it is correct?  Your argument is logically flawed.  Jachin 05:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: # Absolutely not. I don't see why this is being rehashed yet again. The most reliable source we have is the official show information page, which does not use the "M.D.". See the archives (especially here) for additional discussions of this matter. ChazBeckett 11:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: David Shore's choice of nameplace is interesting because Princeton University happens to be the only Ivy League institution which does not host a medical school (and thus would never have a teaching hospital). Princeton Hospital is a real hospital (officially called the University Medical Center at Princeton). Plainsboro is also coincidentally a small town 5 miles southeast from Princeton, NJ in which the Princeton HealthCare System has recently (Feb. 2007) passed regulatory approval to build a new hospital. -- Cowbert 02:50, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This information is given in the article: exterior shots are of Princeton University's Frist Campus Centre (perhaps another reason the hospital is PPTH).  Interior shots are done on a set.  Campus shots are UCLA and USC.  Demosthenes X 00:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princeton-Plainsboro Teaching Hospital 

message: Can this mention it airs on Tuesday. 70.104.16.217 00:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: air days

message: Yes, there are oodles of review sites. On this article we already have for normal reviews the tv.com and the TV Squad site, one too many imo. This site , which Matthew removed twice, actually adds to the article, medical reviews about every house episode. Which passes Wikipedia:External links easy. Garion96 (talk) 07:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:External_links#Links_normally_to_be_avoided - Criterion 2 and 3. Matthew 08:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That one you need to explain further. (2) Misleads the reader? How? (3) Links mainly intended to promote a website, If you see this site as that, you must also see the TV.com site as that of course. Garion96 (talk) 08:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you point out where it says he is a physician? Also, in regards to TV.com, this seems like an argumentum ad ignorantiam (a poor one at that), also I'll assume you mean the TV Squad link.. and on that point I'd happily see it removed, it also fails the criteria (imo). Matthew 08:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here for instance. Regarding criterium 3, it's just too vague of a criterium. And yes, I would prefer a more professional site, but it is not used as a source, just an external link for (quote from WP:EL) "other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to their reliability (such as reviews and interviews)". Garion96 (talk) 08:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree that it that it qualifies as a worthwhile and informational link. It's not just a typical review site, and based on the number of blog comments, it's quite popular. Nairebis 18:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not super-familiar with the implementation of the EL policy (it seems like frequently the only links allowed to stay are official websites, which are often badly designed and uninformative), but I'd like to see the link stay.  It's unique in its thoroughness and written by an M.D.  I don't think anything about it is misleading, and I think the "promote a website" applies more to forums trying to recruit members, or sites with ad-driven revenue.  The medical reviews exist to inform, so I feel like "promoting" them is an odd concept.  I agree that it's better likened to a link to a news article. --Galaxiaad 22:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Good grief - whoever removed the House Medical Reviews link - cease and desist. The reviews there are sui generis reviews of _medical accuracy_. Something highly relevant to House which as a 'medical mystery' is premised on its realism. I certainly have found the link helpful (as I'm sure many others have). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.255.114.207 (talk) 03:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I also love the medical review site. I noticed right away when it was missing and had to look up an old version of the House page to find it again. Wikipedia links to many unofficial (and many not-so-well-done) fansites - this one is actually better than most as far as content and information go. And the design isn't bad - it's just simple (and there's no reason for it to be otherwise). 209.94.128.69 22:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about the episode recaps on Television Without Pity? DS 15:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link 

message: A new noticeboard, Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This noticeboard has been deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard. Please disregard the above post. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New noticeboard 

message: House_md#DVD_releases: there is written the First Season DVD set is in 4:3 format and The Second Season DVD set, on the other hand, presents the show in its original widescreen format in all regions..
That's not completely true. I'm from Italy, and my first DVD box (1st season) is in 16:9, while the second one (2nd season) is in 4:3 Pan&scan. --213.140.6.97 19:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD releases 

message: I don't know if it's okay for me to post here but Wikiproject House is being considered. Please express your thoughts at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#House, M.D. mirageinred 06:19, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  House Wikiproject?