Talk:Djwal Khul

message: The first section states all kinds of things as if they are facts, although probably a majority of people will find them highly dubious or worse. For example: "These esoteric teachings form the origin of all the world's great philosophies, mythologies and spiritual traditions." Most Christians will disagree that these esoteric teachings, whatever they are, form the basis of their spiritual traditions. Or is the implication that these traditions are petty? "As a Mahatma, Djwal Khul is working mentally for the furthering of spiritual evolution on our planet, using his highly developed powers of meditation, or siddhis." So this implies (1) that Djwal Khul has "highly developed powers of meditation", and that he is working "mentally" (what does that even mean?) for the "furthering of spiritual evolution on our planet". How can we conceivably check this? --LambiamTalk 19:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: This is to inform editors on this page that this topic, along with a list of related topics, have been mentioned in a report at this link on the WP:Fringe theories/Noticeboard.  It has been mentioned in the noticeboard report that some of the articles listed in the report may be nominated for deletion. 
The report at the noticeboard was not posted by me.  I'm placing this comment here as a courtesy for the editors working on this article.  --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 06:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Courtesy notification of report at [[WP:Fringe theories/Noticeboard]] 

message: All one can do with any religion, let alone those apart from the mainstream, is to faithfully report their beliefs taken from the literature by the believers of their religious belief system. In doing so, we are not assesing truth claims (such as the Mormons believing that God is a physical being on another planet), one simply reports on the beliefs held, with as much accuracy as possible - with reliable sources and references. 
There is no need at all to assess the truth claims of the 20th century new religions. If people were to delve into assessing the truth claims of religion, then an entry on Christianity may as well begin with assessing whether God exists. The best approach would seem to be an accurate rendition of any movement's beliefs, nature, history and activities (regardless of what a Wikipedia editor's own views are). Questioning the validity of religious beliefs isn't the role of an encyclopedia entry. Arion (talk) 13:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Minority religious beliefs should not be treated as "fringe theories" 

message: Will the author please correct the sentence which reads:
"Though he is falsely attributed to helping write the Secret Doctrine, published in 1888, which was primarily written by Koot Hoomi and Morya, according to Blavatsky, Koot Hoomi and Morya within the Mahatman letters."
I believe there is something missing Dr Ron Howe (talk) 13:54, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Section 2 Paragraph 1 Makes no sense

message: * Lily Cornford writes: "We are told by the Tibetan, color is the language of an initiate." Maybe here she refers to Djwal Khul.
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.203.240 (talk) 09:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: ''The Tibetan''

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thread_title:  Using anandgholap.net as a source or link 

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thread_title:  Using zakairan.com as a source or link 

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thread_title:  Using freeread.com as a source or link 

message: Suggest that all references to ECP be removed. Her literature was self-published and there is no evidence that
she was associated with the Master D.K. in any way. Some people who are familiar with the Work of D.K. consider ECP to have been a good person who positively influenced many people, but who often fondly imagined that certain things were happening (like her channeling D.K.) that were in fact not happening. If there are no objections this, I'll do it. 72.177.95.213 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 15:48, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete references to: Elizabeth Clare Prophet 

message: The article has been redirected to the main article Ascended Master. There are not enough third party sources to have a separate article on Djwal Khul, it has been 3 or 4 years and no improvements to article has been made, it is such as minority topic even within esoteric writings that it is hard to even find valid sources except from a small hand full of post-theosophic writers, it is not enough to keep a separate article so article has been redirected to Ascended Master where the theory is already covered in detail. GreenUniverse (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect