Talk:Korean War/Archive 2

message: According to the statistics on the sidebar, British forces were the third most numerous (63,000 personnel) involved in the Korean War. Yet the article as it stands makes NO mention of Britain's role in the conflict. Why not??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.222.95 (talk • contribs) 
I think its because they were removed from korea for killing all the jews in the country.  Their leader, Adolf Hitler, was a known jew hater so it would make sense.80.254.147.52 14:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  British involvement 

message: The list of nations who provided Medical Staff is included on the right hand side of the article, along with a list of those who provided troops.
" Australia, Denmark, Italy, Norway, Sweden, South Africa"
If this is a list of all those who provided medical staff, then obviously it should include the USA, France etc.
On the other hand, if (as I suspect) it is intended as a list of those that provided medical staff _other_ than those that provided troops, then Australia should not be on the list, as it is (correctly) already mentioned in the list of the nations that provided troops.
Ordinary Person 02:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medical staff 

message: I just wanted to say I think it's kind of lame that the main picture for this article is of American troops, when this was the Korean War. I know America was involved in the conflict, but the main picture being of American troops makes them seem an especially important part, more important than other troops, of the war. Just wanted to point it out, maybe someone could get a good pic that really represents what the war was as a whole. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.4.11.117 (talk) 06:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change main article picture? 

message: Prisoners of war were mistreated by all sides. The U.N. side was ultimately responsible for more deaths and violence than the communist side as there were more prisoners. As pointed out by Britain’s former Chief of the Defense Staff, Field Marshal Lord Carver: “The U.N. prisoners in Chinese hands, although subject to ‘re-education’ processes of varying intensity… were certainly much better off in every way than any held by the Americans….” Jon Halliday and Bruce Cumings, Korea: The Unknown War, Viking Press, 1988,  
Carver’s assessment differs from other historical accounts which report frequent beatings, starvation, forced labor, summary executions and death marches imposed by the Communist forces on U.N. prisoners.http://www.fawm.gov.au/encyclopedia/pow/korea/index.htm North Korean forces committed several massacres of captured U.S. troops at places such as “Hill 312” on the Pusan Perimeter, and in and around Daejeon; this occurred particularly during early mopping-up actions. According to the U.S. Congressional report: “More than 5,000 American prisoners of war died because of Communist war atrocities and more than a thousand who survived were victims of war crimes. (…) Approximately two-thirds of all American prisoners of war in Korea died due to war crimes.” 
Carver's assessment was that of the Chinese, not the combined Communist forces (which included the North Korean forces).  Thus Carver's assessment is not neccesarily different from other historical accounts. --Naus 03:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flawed comparison in POW section

message: in one of the pictures it says "Mig shot down over mig alley"
this WAS KOREA THAT WAS IN VIETNAM—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.34.167.159 (talk • contribs) 
:You're mistaken, MiG Alley was in the Korean War. Parsecboy 01:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mig alley

message: I believe that the cleanup should be in the Korean War Legacy area because that in itself is a large part of the article. -- Warfreak 02:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I deleted Australia from the list of countries with medical staff in the Korean War because Australia was already listed among the countries that participated in the Korean War.
JediScougale 09:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundancy 

message: North Korea attacks South Korea 25 June 1950 
Task Force Smith at Osan, South Korea 5-6 July 1950 
Kum River Line defense (Taejon) 11-22 July 1950 
Pusan Perimeter defense 4 Aug -- 16 Sept 1950 
Inchon Landing 15 Sept 1950 
Liberation of Seoul (1st return) 21-30 Sept 1950 
Advance into North Korea (west coast) 1 Oct -- 27 Oct 1950 
Withdrawal to Ch'ongch'on River Defense Line and second advance toward the Yalu (west coast) 28 Oct -- 25 Nov 1950 
Landing at Iwon and race to the Yalu (east coast) 31 Oct -- 27 Nov 1950 
Withdrawal to Imjin River Line (west coast) 28 Nov -- 23 Dec 1950 
X-Corps withdrawal (east coast) 1 Dec -- 24 Dec 1950 
Withdrawal to Defense Line "D" (roughly along the 37th Parallel -- P'yongt'aek [W] to Samch'ok on east coast) 26 Dec 1950 -- 29 Jan 1951 
Advance to Line Boston(south bank of the Han River south of Seoul - I Corps) 18 Feb 1951 -- 6 Mar 1951 
Advance to Phase Line Kansas ( north of Seoul to just north of the 38th Parallel - east coast [2nd Liberation of Seoul) 4 -- 21 April 1951 
1st Chinese Spring Offensive 22 -- 29 Apr 1951 
Defense lines Golden (I Corps) and No Name (IX & X Corps) 29 Apr 1951 -- 19 May 1951 
2nd Chinese Spring Offensive 17 -- 22 May 1951 
Advance to Phase Line Kansas (3rd Liberation of Seoul) 22 May 1951 -- 10 Jun 1951 
Advance to Phase Line Wyoming (Imjin River in I Corps sector north of Seoul to north of 38th Parallel in IX Corps and X Corps sectors) 13 Jun 1951 -- 4 Oct 1951 
Line Jamestown (MLR in I Corps Sector -- West) 7 Oct 1951 -- 27 July 1953 
Line Missouri (MLR in IX Corps Sector -- Central) 23 Oct 1951 -- 27 July 1953 
Line Minnesota (MLR in X Corps Sector -- East) 16 Oct 1951 -- 27 July 1953 
MAJOR COMMUNIST OFFENSIVES
NKPA 1st Phase (Seoul) Operations 25 Jun 1950 -- 29 Jun 1950 
NKPA 2nd Phase (Suwon)Operations 30 Jun 1950 -- 6 Jul 1950 
NKPA 3rd Phase (Taejon) Operations 7 Jul 1950 -- 20 Jul 1950 
NKPA 4th Phase (Naktong) Operations 21 Jul 1950 -- 30 Aug 1950 
NKPA 5th Phase (Pusan) Operations 31 Aug 1950 -- 15 Sep 1950 
CCF (PLA) 1st Phase (warning) Operations 25 Oct 1950 -- 24 Nov 1950 
CCF (PLA) 2nd Phase (main attack) Operations 25 Nov 1950 -- 24 Dec 1950 
CCF (PLA) 3rd Phase (counterattack in Wonju - Chipyong-ni areas) Operations 11 Feb 1951 -- 17 Feb 1951 
CCF (PLA) 4th Phase (First Spring Offensive) Operations 22 Apr 1951 -- 29 Apr 1951 
CCF (PLA) 5th Phase (Second Spring Offensive) Operations 17 May 1951 -- 22 May 1951 
CCF (PLA) 6th Phase - canceled and strategic objectives switch to limited operations 1 Sep 1951 
CCF attack on Western & Central Fronts 6 Oct 1952 -- 13 Oct 1952 
CCF Kumsong River Offensive (ROK II Corps) 14 July 1953 -- 20 July 1953 
MAJOR WITHDRAWAL OPERATIONS BY US FORCES
Withdrawal to the Pusan Perimeter 3 July 1950 -- 3 Aug 1950 
Evacuation of Hungnam 1 Dec 1950 -- 24 Dec 1950 
Withdrawal from North Korea to Line "D" 2 Dec 1950 -- 16 Jan 1951 
MAJOR UN OFFENSIVES
Inchon Landing & capture of Seoul 18 Sept 1950 -- 30 Sept 1950 
Breakout from the Pusan Perimeter 16 Sept 1950 -- 27 Sept 1950 
Operation Thunderbolt 25 Jan 1951 -- 20 Feb 1951 
Operation Killer 21 Feb 1951 -- 7 Mar 1951 
Operation Ripper (Flanking of Seoul) 7 Mar 1951 -- 4 Apr 1951 
Operation Rugged (securing Phase Line Kansas) 1 Apr 1951 -- 15Apr 1951 
Operation Dauntless (securing Phase Line Utah) 10 Apr 1951 -- 22 Apr 1951 
Operation Detonate (3rd return to Seoul and retaking Phase Line Kansas north of the 38th Parallel) 20 May 1951 -- 8 Jun 1951 
Operation Piledriver (securing Phase Line Wyoming and The Iron Triangle) 3 Jun 1951 -- 12 Jun 1951 
Operation Commando (Securing Phase Line Jamestown) 3 Oct 1951 -- 15 Oct 1951 
Operation Nomad and Polar (Securing Phase Line Missouri) 13 Oct 1951 -- 22 Oct 1951 
PURSUIT AND MOPPING UP OPERATIONS
Pursuit and mopping south of the 38th Parallel 28 Sept 1950 -- 30 Nov 1950 
Pursuit north of the 38th Parallel to Yalu River 5 Oct 1950 -- 27 Oct 1950 
Iwon Landing and pursuit to Yalu River (east coast) 31 Oct 1950 -- 27 Nov 1950 
LIMITED OPERATIONS -- 26 JUNE 1951 THROUGH 27 JULY 1953
(After peace talks initiated)
I CORPS 
Operation Doughnut (to seize dominate terrain features in the Sobang Mountains) 1-4 July 1951 
Raid on Kwijon-ni 3-8 Aug 1951 
Operation Citadel (to move MLR forward to then existing Outpost Line of Resistance -- OPLR) 18-19 Aug 1951 
Operation Clean-Up (attempt to sweep enemy forces from front of I Corps positions) 9-10 Sept 1951 
Operations Clean-up II (to secure railroad running north from Uijongbu) 29 Sept -- 3 Oct 1951 
Operation Polecharge (to secure dominate three hills) 16-18 Oct 1951 
Attack on Hill 199 24-30 Oct 1951 
Defense of Hill 200 5-10 Nov 1951 
First battle of Porkchop Hill 22-25 Nov 1951 
Operation Clam-up (ceased activity to lure enemy patrols) 10-16 Feb 1952 
Operation Counter (to secure 11 key terrain features on outpost line) 7-25 Jun 1952 
First Battle for Old Baldy 26 June -- 17 July 1953 
Second Battle for Old Baldy 17 - 22 July 1952 
Third Battle for Old Baldy 1-4 Aug 1952 
Forth Battle for Old Baldy 18-21 Sept 1952 
Defense of Outpost Kelly 18-30 Sept 1952 
Fifth Battle for Old Baldy 23-26 Mar 1953 
Third Battle for Porkchop Hill 23-26 Mar 1953 
Defense of Outpost Carson, Elko, and Vegas 28-30 Mar 1953 
Forth Battle for Porkchop Hill 6-11 July 1953 
Defense of Outpost Dale & Westview 23-24 July 1953 
IX CORPS 
Operation Cat & Dog (to destroy enemy positions and capture prisoners.) 26-28 June 1951 
Attack on Hill 272 and 487 12-15 July 1951 
Operation Cow Puncher (to move Phase Line Utah forward to Phase Line Wyoming) 2-3 Aug 1951 
Operation Ohio-Sloan (to secure new positions on Phase Line Wyoming) 8-12 Sept 1951 
Operation Cleaver (Tank/Infantry raid into Iron Triangle) 21 Sept 1951 
Operation Clam-up (to lure enemy patrols and capture prisoners) 10-15 Feb 1952 
Operation Showdown (to secure Hill 598) 14-24 Oct 1952 
Defense of Hill 301 24-28 Oct 1952 
Defense of Outpost Charlie and King 28 Oct - 4 Nov 1952 
(IX Corps withdrawn Nov 1952) 
X CORPS 
Attack on Hills 1059, 1120 and 1179 26-30 July 1951 
Battle of Bloody Ridge (ridge between Hills 900 & 983) 27 Aug -- 5 Sept 1951 
First battle of Heartbreak Ridge 9-12 Sept 1951 
Second battle of Heartbreak Ridge 13-29 Sept 1951 
Attack on Hills 851, 1220 & adjacent ridges 7-15 Oct 1951 
Operation Clam-up (to lure enemy patrols and capture prisoners) 10-15 Feb 1952 
Defense of Heartbreak Ridge area 6-7 Sept 1952 
Defense of Heartbreak Ridge area 3-4 Nov 1952
Yeah, thank you very much.c'mon, we've fished a good one.User:Kfc1864Talk to me 06:54, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timelines 

message: I see alot of text in here saying that sort of thing. besides maybe just trying to get dirt on the US, it isnt exactly cited. I believe it should be removed or at least the North Korean and Chinese war atrocities should be documented as well.
:The thing is, the construction was so poor in the rural areas, it would relatively easy for even a hand grenade to wipe out several houses (based upon personal observations when I was in Korea in the mid-70's). So, in all fairness, any statements regarding "people's houses being blown up" applies equally to all parties involved in the Korean War. It's also part of war, even today with more accurate targeting mechanisms, that civilan property is destroyed and civilian deaths occur, especially when opposing forces are fighting in or around "built-up" areas, like villages, towns or cities. Thinking otherwise, especially during the Korean War era, is ludicrous. If your enemy is in a building, you will fire into the building. If there are a lot of your enemy in an area, you will call in artillery fire or other "mass-destruction" weapons, like bombs. That is simply what war fighting is about, always has been and probably always will be. wbfergus 17:33, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 'peoples houses getting blown up'

message: The author is missing essential points of the Korean War.
His/her points are limited on the superficial facts like conflicts between Capitalism (South Korea) vs. Communism (North Korea), who started war, and how many (innocent) people were killed (so cruely), etc.
I, as a Korean, list my points to the war as essential questions that are very clear in respect to what US/Soviet/Japan/Chinna took advantage of from the war:
1. Was The US (well) aware of that North Korea will make the war sooner or later?
   If yes, then why US army left South Korea?
   Very important point is that, after the Korean War, 
   US and Japan's Economy got better or Not?
   What about chinna? 
   At least, they could avoid their own war against US/Taiwan alley.
2. Then why the US decided to stop war, instead of repelling the Communist?
3. Why Mao decided to support North Korea? Because of their  comradeship?
   At the time of the Korean War, note,
   Chinna was also fighting against Zhang and US allies. 
   Mao wanted to hold their war in Korea as much longer as they could, 
   so that US/Taiwan ally had to postpone their war to Main Chianna.
4. What about J. Stalin?
   He was kind of skeptical to the war because,
   he knew that Soviet wouldn't get much money from Korean War,
   even if N.Korea won.
5. Regardless of the war, 
   Should be the Korea a form of war-prize [indemnities] to US from 
   the Pacific War against Japan?  
   This is the very starting point of the Korean War
   together with "Kasra-Taft Secret Conspiracy" to Korea.
6. Most Important!   
   Do both N. and S. Korean want the war again?
   Then how about US, Japan, and Chinna?
   Do they really want United Korea without any further war?
   
   %%%%%%% Korean should NOT be the bloody yammy to them again.
:This sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. Yes, the US may have had an inkling that conflict between North and South was inevitable, but it was no more likely than the French-Vietnamese conflict of the 1950s, or any other regional conflict. In the period following the war, the US couldn't exactly keep soldiers everywhere there might be a conflict brewing. Remember, the US, despite its best efforts, is not a global policeman, in every place, every time. I would say the Japanese economy improving after the war had less to do with the war directly, and more to do with the fact that it was several years after the end of WWII, so of course it was going to improve. That and UN servicemembers stationed there surely helped stoke the economy. As for Mao Zedong, he supported North Korea because he wanted to supplant the USSR as the leader of the Comintern. There may have been motivation to distract the West from the Taiwan issue as well. As for your "Kasra-Taft Secret Conspiracy", perhaps you should provide some sources for that, because I've never heard of it. Do you think many South Korean economists want a united Korea? Not likely. Do you know the damage it would do to South Korea's economy to absorb North Korea? Just look at the German reunification at the end of the Cold War, and increase the negative effects several times over. Parsecboy 00:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummm, what is your point? Good friend100 03:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big misunderstanding about Korean War 

message: Ksyrie, why is it so important to remove this image? You say that it might be offensive. Well, Wikipedia policy states that Wikipedia is not censored for things that might be considered offensive. There's no good reason why this image should be removed from the article. Parsecboy 00:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have noticed that the wikipedia didn't  allow sex and violence explicit images appeared.And this picture portray the bloody description of soldier.If we allow this kind of pics added into wikipedia without control,some more violent and gory pics will be uploaded and presented to the future wiki readers.Just imagining the Jews will see the explicit and high resolution pictures of Holocaust,this kind of pics should be included in wiki,but not in a very high detailed and resolution forms.It makes the readers too uneasy.--Ksyrie 00:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: check this one ,the resolution is so high and too detailed.If you insisted on the same photo,I will prefer a lessdetailed one--Ksyrie 00:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Wikipedia does permit images that are blatantly sexual in nature. Just peruse the WikiCommons category for "sex". If your argument for removing this image is that it's offensively violent, I assume you just haven't gotten around to [] or [] yet? []isn't exactly the most peaceful image, now is it? My point here is, you seem to be a pro-China POV editor. Accuse me of lacking good faith, but when you make highly POV posts like this, and this, I can't help but assume so. P.S., I scaled the picture to make it more manageable for other editors who wish to join this discussion. Parsecboy 01:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I have to admit that some of these pics made me uneasy like this one :Image:Deadparagermany.jpg,it is the first time I have noticed this picture,hoping someone to change it to a more blurring version,and for other two pics you had listed,they are not so explict to give the readers too much bad impressions.It's hard to describe it in words.In brief,such too detailed violent pics shall be controled to be show to public.I will agree to restrict the vivid violent pics.--Ksyrie 02:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the talk pages materials,I meant no intention to hide my POV,but only limited to talk pages and not the wiki articles.--Ksyrie 02:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ksyrie, those photographs are indeed disturbing but at least they expose people to the horrors of war, and they have good verifiability since they were taken by US military combat photographers in fact that same image of the dead Chinese soldier is used in a PBS article here on the Korean war.  Regarding your question whether photographs of holocaust victims would be acceptable, we already have a large collection on wikipedia commons of stacks of bodies of concentration camp victims look .  I don't think pornography and these photos can really be compared, these are encyclopedic, porn is just for sexual gratification Bleh999 06:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not someone upload some highresolution dead american bodies?--Ksyrie 15:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have some that aren't copyright protected or at least fair use, go right ahead. Parsecboy 15:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Chinese soldier image 

message: Battle of Seoul Guess what. --HanzoHattori 18:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battles of Seoul 

message: The total number of United Nations men is 1,205,605. Help me edit the total, my account is not working and I am too lazy to create a new one...
Richard the Crusader 22:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foul Addition