Talk:Naxalite

message: The mentioning of this explosive seems to be restricted to indian newspapers reporting about naxalites. With refeneces to be found only when looking in the right place As such it seems to fail the google text of general findability. Is there possibly a more commonly used name for the explosive or is it something a bored journalist invented. Any Ideas?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.91.161.116 (talk) 08:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The probably meant to say "Cordtex".  -  Snori (talk) 20:17, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: What Is "codex wire"?

message: Who ever is editing should look at the recent news coming out of Naxalites infested regions. Stop the support of terrorism. Killing innocent people for some believes is plain terrorism.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punjabinet (talk • contribs) 22:19, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Naxalites are not "A" group. There are multiple groups, which come under the banner of Naxalites. Some of them are classified as "terrorists" by the Govt. of India while others aren't. So, you can't term the Naxalites as a terrorist group, but surely can mention that the most prominent among them, the CPI (Maoist) is designated as a terrorist group by the GoI. And, of course, with proper citation. Thanks. Shovon (talk) 15:46, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Naxalite is a terrorist group

message: Grotesque. The most obvious purpose of this article as it currently exists is to give Wikipedia a bad name and ultimately to destroy it. This article right now is obscurantist trash written by furies in the throes of right-wing political warfare. If you want your perspective to inform this Wikipedia, then you'd better figure out how to work productively with Naxalites, socialists, journalists, scholars, and others, or else return to your proper theatre of conflict. Wikipedia is about supplying what information can be supplied given that there are almost always political disagreements about most things in the world. We all share venues such as Wikipedia not for hegemonic victory, but primarily for sharing information. This assumes that you write and edit not on behalf of a chosen community and to control outsiders, but rather within a large sphere of moral consideration that simultaneously includes all potential Wikipedia contributors and readers. The Wikipedia idea is an extension of democracy. There are other, more appropriate outlets on the internet for apoplectic, partisan, righteous rants and brutish sniping. Conservapedia, for example. Also, you can write blogs, some of which can earn you money, and I'm talking to you, armchair right-wing word-warriors.  This Wiki article needs an editor whose primary commitment in this venue is to information useful to people across political interests, classes, and nationalities. Even when there is no compromise on an issue because interested contributors are literally at war, the Wiki entry can be split into labeled perspectives' accounts. Blanche Poubelle (talk) 18:03, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: im not sure if you guys get it, this place is for neither side to put in their retarded opinions, and that article i sadly full of them, get the wording right or remove it, this is not an article worthy of an encyclopedia but a fany FOX news report--178.25.205.198 (talk) 22:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Grossly non-NPOV

message: The recent edits are grossly pov, and have an unencyclopediatic tone. Moreover the are factual fallacies at some points. Some examples:
*"Naxalite or Naxalism is an informal name given to violent communist groups". Not true. Today several of the Naxal factions have abandonned violence, but the term naxal stick with them.
*Try find a reliable source for the statement "in order to turn India into a totalitarian, communist regime."
*"Since their inception up until the death of the movement in Bengal, Naxals unleashed a reign of terror in Bengal, complete with killings of many thousands of innocent people, ordinary police constables, workers of other political parties and anybody they thought their 'class enemy' (which was virtually everyone except themselves)." is also highly problematic. Whilst I don't oppose expanding the article and include more detail on the development of the Naxal movement in Bengal, this is hardly npov.
*"Many groups combine both legal and illegal methods of work." is absent in this version, for reasons unknown to me.
*"Naxal ideology owes its origins to the abject penury and stems from the all pervasive poverty in the Indian hinterland.    
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- The past few years has seen the insurgents spreading Naxal influence from 76 districts in nine states to 118 Districts in 12 States. The Communist Party of India (Maoists) was formed on September 21, 2004 through the merger of two prominent naxalite outfits - the People's War Group (PWG) and the Maoists Communists Center (MCC).    
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- The insurgency is fueled by the exploitation of the peasants and poor tribals by the landlords and the timber mafia, as well as neglect and corruption by governmental offices. The lack of socio-economic developments that have occurred in these regions from any governmental force is an issue that the Naxalites frequently exploit in their calls for violent, Mao inspired, revolution. Critics claim that it is in the Naxals' interest for these people to remain poor and exploited, because otherwise the Naxals would lose their static support base." is problematic, partly as the numbers relate only to sections of the Naxal movement and because the casual explanations are thin. One could say that rural poverty, etc., contribute to the buildup of the Naxal movement, but what actually is the driving cause should not be left to speculation.
*"It is quite common for various Naxal organisations to have 'sleepers' within the establishment in the guise of teachers, poets and leftist intellectuals. One of the objectives of these sleepers is to infiltrate the Indian media (print, electronic and web-based) and turn their opinion from within. Just like their more docile leftist/socialist counterparts, many such sleepers also infiltrate educational and academic instritutions." = McCarthyism
*"Roy's heavy-handed policing was the main reason the Naxal movement could be finished off so quickly." Again problems with causality. The Naxal movement also had many internal problems at the same time, what was the cause for its decay should not be up to speculation.
*"The ferocity of the police response prompted many Naxals to flee the battlefield. Apparently they were not quite ready for the revolution after all" is again completly unbased. Over 40 000 youths were imprisoned accused of being Naxals, thousands were killed. Still the core of the movement continued. The editors at wikipedia should not pass judgements on who is a real revolutionary and who isn't, especially not without facing those challenges themselves.
*"A number of them (the so called 'bright ones') fled India altogether and opted for a safe life in, ironically, Western Europe and the USA. There are no documented cases of Naxals migrating to communist countries." Why is this ironical. Would they have been allowed to migrate to the USSR? (considering their anti-USSR positions)
*"Siddhartha Roy later successfully repeated the same principles to demolish the terrorism in Punjab, with great contribution from K.P.S. Gill, the then Punjab police chief." is not an encyclopediatic sentence
--Soman 14:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Avoid individual attacks on this talk page (Ironic, isn't it). Please do not make unsigned comments. Rumpelstiltskin has a point. If you do carry a strong point of view regarding the subject try to hold yourself back from changing the tone of the article, which currently is fairly npov. --Keynes.john.maynard 19:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edit 

message: the lankan site presents a 2nd-hand-quote. Moreover, these types of accusations are part of the psychological warfare in the subcontinent (...just like RAW is blamed for virtually anything in Pak/BD), and academia would be preferable to newspieces. As per Andhra, a separate chapter should be set up (likewise for Bihar, etc.). --Soman 11:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:Verifiability is paramount here. Rumpelstiltskin223 11:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly my point. --Soman 12:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, your point is Original research ("psychological warfare??? That's getting a bit desperate comrade"). Rumpelstiltskin223 13:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So everythung said about India in Pak/BD press should be utilized without filter at wiki? Or should different standards apply for different sources? --Soman 13:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, but with reservation. Let me explain here. India is a democracy. It has what communists fear the most, a free press, completely outside the control of the government. If you read Frontline, you will see nothing but attack after attack on the government, for instance. Pakistan is NOT a democracy. It alternated between Islamic Fundamentalist controlled theocracies and military dictatorships. It's press, by and large, is NOT free of government control. Nevertheless, some Pakistani sources like DAWN and Pakistan Tribune are good for wikipedia because they are relatively independent of their government right now. I saw an article sa couple of days back citing a Paktrib article alleging that RAW was secretly aiding Balochi rebels (hee) so that part IS "utilized w/out filter" as you said. Rumpelstiltskin223 13:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Look, some sorts of differentations needs to be made here. I'm not disqualifying usage of newsmedia as sources in general. However, accuracy factors needs to be taken into account. A general comment like 'there's a foreign hand in Assam insurgency' or 'ISI supports the Naxalites' from newsmedia is problematic along WP:V. In this case its not even a quote from RAW, its a citation of another publication which is supposed to have published that comment. Have any ISI agent actually been captured in India, supporting the Naxals? Are there any independent confirmations of these allegations? On subjects like this, it would be highly preferable to use academic sources. --Soman 14:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: verified, see ,,clickety click-click. Rumpelstiltskin223 14:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have to be joking if you want to use LaRouche as a source. Regarding The Hindu, it deals with LTTE, not ISI. I would not discard the theory that there is some cooperation (at least historically) with LTTE (note for example that positions on LTTE was a cause for split amongst Maoists in Nepal in mid-1980s), but would be far more cautious about comments on ISI involvement. --Soman 15:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, you may have a point abt LaRouche. The Hindu is legit enough, thaa. As for ISI, does an allegation by BJP president count as Verifiable?. We can state it as an allegation (since, admittedly, BJP is partisan here), like BJP president alleges that... and keep the edit on the grounds of notability. Rumpelstiltskin223 15:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be mentioned, but not in intro. --Soman 15:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

text: No, not in intro. I'll make the changes now.Rumpelstiltskin223 15:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Something like 'International links'. I could add info om CCOMPOSA and impact in Nepal/Bangladesh. --Soman 15:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent edit 

message: There is a need to make some delimitation of the article. This article ought to concern the general concept of Naxalism. Material only relevant to CPI(Maoist) should be placed in the concerned article, not here. In Indian newspaper there is often no separation made between these two concepts, which can create confusions. --Soman 13:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not see the same standard applied to other ideologies on wikipedia, why here?Besides, this article is as much about Naxalites (people) as Naxalism (ideology).Rumpelstiltskin223 13:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Often CPI(Maoist) are simply called 'the Naxalites' in newsmedia. This sometimes creates confusion, and it is important to clarify differentiation between Naxalism in general (which encompasses at least 25 or more groups in India today) and the CPI(Maoist). We should abstain from making generalized statements like Naxalites are present in X states, have many X attacks, etc., when we in fact only refer to CPI(Maoist) (which has a separate article). --Soman 14:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: are you sure that this is a matter of "confiusion"? they are all networked you know Rumpelstiltskin223 14:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delimitation of the article 

message: This article needs some additional sections, like: 1) prehistory of the Naxalite movement, 2) Andhra insurgency, 3) Bihar-Jharkand insurgency, 4) Impact in Nepal/Bangladesh. --Soman 13:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will do it soon. A Kaffir's work is never done *sigh. Rumpelstiltskin223 13:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New sections 

message: Rumpel you can try all you want, but you cannot please these commies until you are singing from their commie hymn sheets. Whitewash all their outrages, forget about the genocides they engineered, then only you are a good man. On this article, they will simply overwhelm you with questions and criticism. That's a common tactic in their propaganda machinery by the way, did you know that. They know that sooner or later you'll just get fed up and give up and then they can do what they want. Looks like I have to come back and start keeping these commies in check again.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.112.9.67 (talk • contribs) 15 January 2007
::Yah I know. Nevertheless, we have to follow wikipeidia rules. Personal attacks, needless incivility, throwing insults around like "commie" etc. are not a good way to make an argument.One thing they are right about. We have to make sure that, when one refers to Naxals we are talking about Naxals only and not some other Maoist outfit mis-identified as Naxals. I think that that has been achieved now, but for the future... Also, one needs to do more research on how the Naxals were involved in the Morichjhanpi massacre, if at all. I think they were involved, though I do not remember. Also, while you (and I) dislike communists and communism to the depths of our hearts, I think that it is important to be neutral about it here (WP:NPOV). After all, even articles on bloodthirsty mass-murderers like Hitler, Idi Amin,Slobodan Milosevic and others are pretty neutral, right?Rumpelstiltskin223 11:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can never please them 

message: Shouldn't some more info about the Compact Revolutionary Zone be added ? It seems pretty important to me...
Vikram boo! 11:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CRZ ? 

message: Toward the beginning of the article is "The insurrection started on May 25, 1967 in Naxalbari village when a tribal was attacked by local authorities over a land issue. The tribals attacked the opposing landlords and the violence escalated."  I don't know what "a tribal was attacked" means.  Should that be "a tribal gathering"?  "A tribal council"?  Then in the next sentence "the tribals" attacked some people. To this US citizen, "the tribals" looks like a grammatical error.  Is this an Indian English idiom I'm simply not familiar with?  In the USA we would never refer to "the tribals" because "tribal" is an adjective, not a noun.
CarlFink 20:24, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have changed to "tribal" to "peasant". Have also rephrased slightly and removed reference to "local authorities", which didn't seem supported by the source cited. --82.69.202.14 11:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language I don't understand 

message: 'Naxalites' are not a coherent movement, rather an umbrella term for various political factions. The current 'recent activities' chapter relates only to the CPI(Maoist), and material should be shifted there. --Soman 20:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  remove the recent activities section 

message: I was around 10 yers at the helm of Naxal movement in Calcutta. Please note that the political wing of the naxalites were called CPI(ML) i.e. Communist party of India Marxist Leninist. They had received much support from China's Mao Tse Tung.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.94.45 (talk) 22:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not CPI(M). but CPI(ML) 

message: I came here with the question - What do they want? why the 100's of deaths? What exactly do these naxals want? a seperate state/ what do they think?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.2.13 (talk) 13:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What do they want 

message: This article is in need of a complete overhaul, it is completely bias against the Maoist-Naxalites. We aim for impartiality here on wikipedia, somebody deal with this tripe.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.116.105 (talk) 10:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awful, just awful. 

message: Please participate in the discussion at Talk:Salwa Judum/Archives/2014/August#Attempt_at_compromise. Thanks.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 14:51, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempt at compromise 

message: Pasting huge blocks of text from other sources into the article is a copyright violation.  I'll quote from Wikipedia:Non-free content:
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That's why this section and this section aren't acceptable.  Hopefully they won't be added back to the article again.Prezbo (talk) 04:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright 

message: The Map of India has been manipulated to show parts of Pakistan and Chinese held Kashmir as Indian territory. As can be seen in the original map available on the picture's file page this was a propaganda driven excercise to inject a bias opinion on Kashmir issue in an article completely unrealted to it. I suggest the original map be restored immeditaly. 
In addition the map has been altered in a way that makes the insurgency look less severe than it actually is e.g. the re-rendering of Hyderabad from a severely affected area into merely a targeted area. Someone is trying to play down the strength of the insurgency as well as throw a India oriented perspective on regional issues, rather than using international norms.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zenkazmi (talk • contribs) 04:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Manipulation of Maps

message: Maaley (talk) 13:44, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Request to review the Introduction and Daily Routine  sub section

message: http://www.demvolkedienen.org/index.php/de/component/content/article?id=805:ausweitung-des-volkskrieges-in-indien  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:CF:83DA:1000:B0B2:F488:1EF2:17 (talk) 16:53, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  2014 Map of Naxalite acitiviy 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: It seems the term 'Jawan' means non commissioned, or lowly ranked officer. I can't think a good source about its meaning. Maybe it would be preferable just to use the term officer? Jonpatterns (talk) 10:45, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: you are right...or pipelink it appropriately. 222.164.212.168 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 17:39, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Jawan 

message: The lede states:
A Naxal or Naxalite is a member of the Communist Party of India (Maoist). The term Naxal derives from the name of the village Naxalbari in West Bengal, where the movement had its origin. Naxalites are considered far-left radical communists, supportive of Maoist political sentiment and ideology.
This makes it seem as only members of the Communist Party of India (Maoist) are Naxalites. As far as I known Naxalite could include others that share a similar philosophy. As the article later states:
Today, some Naxalite groups have become legal organisations participating in parliamentary elections, such as the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Liberation and the Communist Party of India (Marxist-Leninist) Janashakti.
Jonpatterns (talk) 11:16, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified (February 2018) 

message: Editor  removed "Urban Naxals" by Vivek Agnohotri (Publisher: Garuda Prakashan), but no reason stated. Jonpatterns (talk) 16:25, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reinstated it. The editor should present their reasoning here. Adamgerber80 (talk) 00:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Urban Naxals from further reading 

message: Lot of progress has been made since 2013. Can someone update the map. Iprathik (talk) 02:49, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update the map to reflect 2018 status 

message: I've added a new section to the page. I think it could possibly be combined with the previous section ("Causes"), but I didn't want to change someone else's work. I thought the "causes" section also used somewhat loaded language ("According to Maoist sympathizers...") as well as non-academic sourcing. My section is meant to focus particularly on the relationship between Naxalite groups and Adivasi people through ethnographic sources. I am open to feedback.
Conner.hobson (talk) 05:45, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section: Tribal Participation in Naxalite Movements 

message: Nothing will be solved on this page, and thus, the neutrality tag on the main article will remain forever. Thanks a lot...uh, editors. 2607:FEA8:BFA0:BD0:E41B:7A86:F074:94 (talk) 15:15, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've deflated some of the hot air, confident that NPOV editors will agree this page is thus improved. 2607:FEA8:BFA0:BD0:E41B:7A86:F074:94 (talk) 15:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk page or cesspool?