Talk:Golden Dawn (Greece)/Archive 2

message: Mitsos, it is not a product of my imagination. From Hrisi Avgi's site (near the bottom where the whole Vradini article is included):
:Σύμφωνα με αξιωματικούς της Ασφάλειας Αττικής, ο 21χρονος σοβαρά τραυματίας είχε εμπλακεί σε παρόμοια συμπλοκή στις 21 Μαΐου, τραυματίζοντας μάλιστα έναν αστυνομικό που είχε επέμβει με συναδέλφους του για την αποτροπή του επεισοδίου, ενώ φέρεται ύποπτος για τους τραυματισμούς αλλοδαπών και ατόμων του αντεξουσιαστικού χώρου στην ίδια περιοχή
This is an actual citation from the Vradini article. Translated into english, it is what I added and you reverted. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 22:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vradini citation 

message: I think we shall add hrisi avgi's views on the matter  Mitsos 12:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 13:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Periandros conviction 

message: I think this hrisi avgi's press release is very important to define the ideological nature of the organization.  Mitsos 12:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is of course vital that we add this information (could you do it?). But we must also take into account that most (if not all) mainstream press refer to Hrisi Avgi as a neo-nazi party, not as a nationalist one. My opinion is that we should also refer to it as such, as it is the most widespread term used to describe it. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 13:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideology 

message: I just wanted to say that this is one of the best articles having to do with modern Greek politics that I've read. Of course, there are some problems with the prose, but, in general, this is a very good article! Μπράβο!--Yannismarou 20:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you decide to go for GAC and you wish a more detailed review just let me know.--Yannismarou 20:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks Yianni! As you probably have read in the section above, I plan to get it peer reviewed/GACed after my exams end (circa October 20). Whenever you have time and you feel like it, any comments and reviews are more than welcome! --Michalis Famelis (talk) 21:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nice artile

message: ever decides to visit Poros, you will have no problem with accomondation: Mitsos 12:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  If anyone of you  

message: One of the article's references is an article by eleutherotypia, called "Μουντο-Ρατσισμος". It will be interesting to see Hrisi Avgi's response to this article.  Mitsos 19:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hrisi Avgi's response 

message: I think it should be removed from the external links. It is a blatant propaganda site, anonymous, without an author attribution, nothing. It says that the members of hrisi avgi are "barbarians" and is full of POV. In fact, it's not accurate at all. For example, it says that Dimitrios Zaphiropoulos (the leader of Patriotic Alliance) is wanted by the police!!! It says the same about Kousoumvris, who has now left hrisi avgi. Mitsos 12:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  KLIK article 

message: I have the sentence that says Kalafolias was attacked because he was wearing the Palestinian thing around his neck. This sounds redicoulus to me. I 've seen members of H.A. wearing it, and making grafitees saying "Long Live Hezbollah and Hamas". Mitsos 20:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About that Palestinian thing... 

message: The party is apparently disbanded. It says so in the article and that is backed up by sources. Why does Mitsos keep making edits indicating it has not been? How can they still publish if they are disbanded? --SandyDancer 10:47, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like to get technical but it is you who are reverting me - do it once more and you will be in breach of WP:3RR. --SandyDancer 11:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Well thank you for clearing that up. I believe you. Why do you keep using your edits in connection with this to revert my other edits though? --SandyDancer 11:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disbanded

message: I warned Mitsos here on Talk:Hrisi Avgi not to violate the Wikipedia rule on 3RR. Nevertheless he went ahead and did it - these are the offending edits:
#First reversion
#Second reversion
#Third reversion
#Fourth reversion
Of course I accept changes made on the basis of facts (such as his reversions of my edits about the party magazine), but he has four times reinserted the op-ed piece to the intro without discussion and without making reference to it in his edit summaries. --SandyDancer 11:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone who looks a the history of the page will see that is untrue. I am not introducing false statements into the article - I am trying to delete unsourced expressions of POV from the introduction. Do you honestly believe that someone is going to believe you and not bother looking at the page history which disproves what you are saying? --SandyDancer 11:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The section is question is completely unsourced and appears to simply be OR. Perhaps if it could be sourced it could appear under an appropriate sub heading somewhere in the article. Not in the intro though. --SandyDancer 14:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have continued to revert good faith edits without discussion. Perhaps you should back off and stop editing this article for a while. Read WP:OWN. Read WP:NPOV. --SandyDancer 15:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mitsos: Breach of [[WP:3RR]]

message: Wow, full protection?? Isn't it a bit rush? I mean if Spylab and Mitsos were blocked, wouldn't semi-protection suffice? Anyway, Nishkid64 probably did what he believed was right. However, seeing that Spylab did have a point (some of the H.A. and ENF quotes were indeed out of context) I request unprotection (or semi-protection) so as to go on and try to fix those. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 14:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can I suggest you ask on WP:RFPP. Thanks Martinp23 23:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. However it seems there is still some tension around, so I'm going to wait until things calm down again. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 03:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Read what I said. I said I like to adhere to the view that everyone should be capable of contributing regardless of personal viewpoints - but in your case I think you are incapable of behaving in a civil manner, you are dishonest and you are only here for the purpose of attention seeking and POV-pushing. Unfortunately your two goals conflict - you have the attention you were seeking, but all it serves to do is make sure others can stop your pursuit of a crazy, racist agenda. --SandyDancer 12:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

text: What continues to astonish me about you, Mitsos, is that way that you lie and misrepresent what you and others say and do in such an obviously transparent way. Do you honestly think anyone is going to believe a confused non-white "white nationalist". --SandyDancer 12:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

text: What do you mean, do I have a "source"? I don't need a source, I have not placed such a claim in the article and wouldn't seek to do so. Anyway, the rest of us aren't obsessed with bogus racist theories - so lets end this pointless discussion now. I don't want any distractions from monitoring your partisan editing of this or other articles. I see you have resumed this since the protection was lifted - you've clearly been poised on starting blocks. --SandyDancer 16:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection and POV issues 

message: Wouldn't it be easier simply to ban him from editing this article? And Spylab (and indeed myself) could voluntarily step back, to let other editors become involved in improving the article. Mitsos has shown his bad faith and determination to pursue partisan editing since earlier today when the article became unprotected. One of the most annoying things about him is that he even reverts edits which aim to improve the very poor standard of English that appears throughout the article. --SandyDancer 19:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Contradiction or not, it is now fixed. On a side notice, please stop edit warring... Mitsos, when you are blocked you are blocked. You are not allowed to even make the most legitimate edits. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 22:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mitsos is only interested in edit warring. I have been adding in relatively innocuous qualifier statements along the lines of "the party claims", or "it was reported", so that we don't present things that aren't verified as objective fact. Mitsos reverts these edits along with every other improvement I try and make to the article. I will not revert him again but hope he is blocked for violation of 3RR, incivility and edit warring. --SandyDancer 13:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made some of the same edits again, explaining each properly in the edit summary. If Mitsos reverts again, I will immediately contact an admin. --SandyDancer 13:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mitsos 

message: If you have not done so already, please take a look at 
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mitsos and sign it if you agree with the assessment. And Mitsos, please do not vandalize that page again by deleting other people's signatures or by deleting examples of your innapropriate behaviour. Spylab 17:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Request For Comment page about Mitsos

message: When SandyDancer made this edit, he just wanted to change ENF to European Natonal Front, but he made a mistake. He accidentaly deleted a sourced paragraph and replaced it with the next paragraph, which now appears twice in the article. I ask the editors of this page to fix that problem, re-add the deleted paragraph and delete repetition. Mitsos 11:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done – Gurch 14:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request