Talk:Ferris wheel

message: ===60m transportable wheels===
The Ferris wheel#World's tallest Ferris wheel installations section lists many 60m transportable wheels, but these are (mostly?) a small number of similar wheels being erected at numerous locationss; and the locations being listed are incomplete.  118.173.5.164 (talk) 08:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. I think all wheels 60 m or shorter should be removed. This should not be a list of every ferris wheel in the world. On this rationale, I'll limit this list to wheels taller than 60 m. MvjsTalking 08:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Done. . 92.3.44.211 (talk) 12:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

text: If there are no objections, I'll action this in the next few days. 2.26.128.213 (talk) 14:11, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  2.26.132.28 (talk) 04:04, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

text: I believe that it was the latter reason, but given that the trend started about eight years ago, getting a definitive answer might not happen. Etamni | ✉ | ✓  08:33, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Minimum height limit for World's tallest Ferris wheels section

message: The Ferris wheel#World's tallest Ferris wheel installations section lists many 60m transportable wheels, but these are (mostly?) a small number of similar wheels being erected at numerous locationss; and the locations being listed are incomplete.  118.173.5.164 (talk) 08:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. I think all wheels 60 m or shorter should be removed. This should not be a list of every ferris wheel in the world. On this rationale, I'll limit this list to wheels taller than 60 m. MvjsTalking 08:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 60m transportable wheels

message: I think this should now be revised to 64 m. 60 m diameter installationss are becoming increasingly commonplace, and overall heights slightly over 60 m are to be expected. If we revise the limit to 64 m, the two smallest wheels listed would then be ones with worthwhile notability - "Currently tallest in North America" (Texas Star - 64.6 m) and "World's tallest extant wheel 1920-1985" (Wiener Riesenrad - 64.75 m); and only two wheels will need to be deleted, one a 59 m diameter wheel (Shining Flower Wheel) for which there's no article, and the other  (Kobe wheel) a 63.5 m wheel for which there's no article, no reference, and uncertainty as to whether it's been demolished or not. Any objections? 92.3.44.211 (talk) 15:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. . 92.3.44.211 (talk) 12:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: December 2009 64m proposal

message: As there is now a separate List of Ferris wheels article, I suggest the minimum height limit for the section in question (Ferris wheel#World's tallest Ferris wheels) be revised again, this time to 80.4 m, the height of the original 1893 Chicago Ferris Wheel. The 9 smaller wheels (ie 64 m - 80 m), 6 of which don't have articles (two don't even have a reference, and have been -tagged since 2008), and which include a transportable wheel, are all already listed at List of Ferris wheels. 92.40.243.109 (talk) 01:16, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If there are no objections, I'll action this in the next few days. 2.26.128.213 (talk) 14:11, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  2.26.132.28 (talk) 04:04, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: September 2011 80.4m proposal

message: As with buildings (high rise tower, skyscraper, supertall) is there a set definition for giant wheels? Or where these edits from 60m to 64m to 80m done just to keep this list to a manageable one page? 1305cj (talk) 14:56, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that it was the latter reason, but given that the trend started about eight years ago, getting a definitive answer might not happen. Etamni | ✉ | ✓  08:33, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition

message: The Wiener Riesenrad is a notable exception and was restored. Constructed in 1897, it was the tallest and only remaining big Ferry Wheel in the world for 65 years from 1920 to 1985 (its 97th year), it remained the third tallest Ferry Wheel until 2000, when the London Eye startet a new hype. It's also the last surviving nineteenth-century Ferris wheel and because of this one of most popular tourist attractions of Austria. Given the timeline graphic listed the Riesenrad also in the time (2008-2015) were it has been partially deliberately omitted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.236.233.44 (talk) 09:00, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: 2015

message: This article is very confused, as it insists on calling all observation wheels “Ferris Wheels”, or using one as a synonym for the other, when that just isn’t the case; it muddies the water even further by throwing in details on the London Eye, which is an observation wheel, but isn’t a Ferris Wheel (using a citation to general media use of the term “Ferris Wheel” to describe the London Eye doesn’t make it so – at best the citation should be to show that the press often call it such, when it isn’t), even going as far as to include the (correct) objections from the owners which show that it isn’t a Ferris Wheel, but totally ignoring the validity of their objection.
Either this article should be changed to “Observation Wheel(s)”, and make the distinction to wheels supported on both sides which follow the Ferris design, and other wheels, such as the London Eye, or it should be a disambiguation page, with links to separate articles, with cross-linking between them. As it stands it’s just wrong. Jock123 (talk) 07:33, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: While you are entitled to your opinion here, you haven't given us any reason take your word for these claims rather than following usage in reliable sources.  For starters, if you could provide a reliable source that identifies the London Eye specifically as not a Ferris wheel...  Powers T 18:38, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The trend among educated reporters is to refer to the newer, large wheels as observation wheels. See http://www.melbournestar.com/plan-your-visit/giant-observation-wheels.html—JlACEer (talk) 19:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Having built a Ferris wheel, you can state that you don't want it to be referred to as a Ferris wheel, but that doesn't stop it from being a Ferris wheel. Absolutely anyone can call 'their' wheel an observation wheel - but at the end of the day, even if it's a really big Ferris wheel, or a really modern Ferris wheel, or a Ferris wheel with externally mounted motorised capsules, or even if it's all three, it's still a Ferris wheel. At best, an observation wheel is a type of Ferris wheel, although in reality there are almost as many distinct types of supposed observation wheel as there are wheels that claim to be observation wheels. There clearly is no definitive definition (the Star's PR 'opinion' certainly isn't it, neither is the Eye's). 183.89.118.75 (talk) 21:41, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is fairly ridiculous. Just because people refer to tomatoes as vegetables doesn’t make them so, no matter how many citations you have; just because people think all photocopiers are generically Xeroxes doesn’t make them so; koalas aren’t bears, slow worms aren’t snakes, and likewise an observation wheel which is cantilevered isn’t a Ferris Wheel, because George Ferris’s design needs a support on each side - that is what makes that form of big wheel a Ferris Wheel. It’s not a case of what people call it, it’s a case of what it actually is. Jock123 (talk) 21:23, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  To quote the first reply to your original 5 October 2012 post: "While you are entitled to your opinion here, you haven't given us any reason take your word for these claims rather than following usage in reliable sources. For starters, if you could provide a reliable source that identifies the London Eye specifically as not a Ferris wheel..." 82.132.229.233 (talk) 18:55, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Technically, the London Eye is a Ferris wheel. It’s just that the British use “observation wheel.” Despite the fact that the title is the American term, this article is written in British English. I can tell becuz there are words in the sentences like “metre”, “motorise”, etc. Aitraintheeditorandgamer (talk) 15:10, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The London Eye *isn’t* a Ferris Wheel! 

message: I saw a newspaper article that suggested this was a done deal, but then when I went searching I couldn't find much and what I did find was older than the deletion discussion (so obviously irrelevant to creating the new one). I'll keep looking.— Vchimpanzee ·  talk · contributions · 21:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Orlando Eye]] 

message: I'm curious as to why the reference in the Observation wheels section (third last paragraph) of this article has been changed (at 19:52, 7 April 2013). The edit summary comment: "Observation wheels: condense" doesn't refer to this change.
The reference that was there is a mainstream reference, (The Age newspaper, 22 January 2013), whereas the one now used is a personal 'blog' type entry in what is a privately owned local area newspaper. I am familiar with Docklands & the Docklands News as I am in that area regularly. The author of the local reference, the Docklands News, states: "David Sibenaler is a Docklands resident and a budding science communicator." I don't see how that makes the reference better than the one that was there. 
I propose that it be reverted to the mainstream reference and seek comments/input. Melbourne3163 (talk) 19:59, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why change the reference? 

message: Wondering what is 'Biram', I couldn't find any reference to it. It looks like similar books from those ages uses same words or 'Bairam'. Having Turkish as mother tongue, I strongly believe this actually means "Bayram" probably a reference to Eid_ul-Fitr. Searching for "corban biram" hits similar aged books, which sounds as "Kurban Bayrami" Eid_al-Adha in Turkish.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.209.45.98 (talk) 07:54, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feast of Biram 

message: NB: WP:SELFPUBLISH states that self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs (as distinguished from newsblogs [per WP:NEWSBLOG]), Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources. Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. Exercise caution when using such sources: if the information in question is really worth reporting, someone else will probably have done so. 183.89.112.183 (talk) 17:50, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
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message: User:Robynthehode enforced very strongly his opinion that it is irrelevant or even trivial that the device is called Paris Wheel, Vienna Wheel or Russian Wheel in various countries around the world, and censored this information from the article. I'm convinced, the English-language Wikipedia is not a local encyclopedia of English-language countries. Naming of the device gives evidence how the ride and its origin is perceived historically in the world. Isn't it relevant for the item? Of course, the point is the meaning of the names in different countries, not their specific forms in local languages. --ŠJů (talk) 21:18, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't censored anything, merely reverted your bold edit and asked you to justify your edit as per WP:BRD. Adding what anything is called apart from its common name needs to be justified especially for names of things where something is called something else in other countries. I think you will need to show that such information is notable and not trivial showing reliable sources. Robynthehode (talk) 06:46, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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message: There's quite a lot of inconsistencies between the table of wheels in this article, and List of Ferris wheels. I think as new wheels are added, editors are not aware there are two articles. So some wheels like Vinpearl Sky Wheel, Dianchi Eye, Greenland Ferris Wheel are only in List of Ferris wheels and some like Cairo Eye, Igosu 108, Swatow Eye are only in this Ferris wheel article. Also this list is much shorter, listing (mostly) 85m+ wheels.
I would suggest the following possibilities to make it easier to maintain.
1) Move the list to a template and transclude from both pages
2) Only show the top 10 tallest extant wheels here, and link to List of Ferris wheels for the rest
3) Only show wheels taller than 100m here, and link to List of Ferris wheels for the rest Matthewmayer (talk) 16:54, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency between this article and [[List of Ferris wheels]]