Talk:Runglish

message: Do you govarite po Runglish? Or do you mozhet bit speak British English? Whatever you do, what do you think of creating space Runglish? It's definitely good for Russian and Russians. But what about English and non-English speakers?
:I do, but I don't think a new wikipedia in Runglish (assuming that's what you're proposing) will be either possible or even helpful. Unlike the "real" languages like Spanish and even constructed languages like Esperanto, this is not a language in any real sense. For one, Runglish is mostly a speaking phenomenon; writing Russian using Latin is much more often done for technical than for cultural reasons. That means the target audience for such a wikipedia would be rather limited. IgorSF 10:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I try to avoid any Russian influence when I speak English or any other language, but being an English teacher I always hear a lot of funny stuff from my pupils. I assume I understand Runglish and even speak some variety of it, but actually as far this phenomenon is not a _language system_, there is some scale, with English on one edge and Russian on the other. My Runglish is nearer the English edge, I hope=) But everybody wants to be perfect! BoojumMXX  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.140.203.175 (talk) 22:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do you understand Runglish? 

message: what's up with "6. Runglish speakers often say "I like cats...""
is it a joke or what?
--130.91.119.63 16:43, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all. This must mean "I'm fond of cats". The same verb for "like", "love", "be fond of": любить. Though there are more precise synonims, this verb is used in the spoken language for all the cases, and this way of thinking reflects in this frase. Ъыь 20:38, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  question? 

message: I am a native Russian speaker and lived in South Brooklyn for seven years. The mix of Russian and English ("Kto next?") was called Brightoneze (Braitonskii) by the speakers themselves. So the whole "Runglish" labeling seems a little artificial to me. ImageObserver 20:13, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Runglish or Brightoneze 

message: So. 
I visited Swenglish article and saw it: that article covers topics like "Swedish people slightly mispronounce certain English words, because they already use them in Swedish with extra -a ending".
But, in comparison, this Runglish article was flawed; describing Brightonese dialect, "суржик", made of Russian language and a bunch of borrowed roots from English as heard in New York.
==== My issues i had to face====
Instead, I feel I should cover the issues of other kind; like "And/End" problem and "Under" problem.
In Russian transliteration of English names, And/End both get transliterated as Энд.
* The AE sound never gets its special letter (although, IMO, Russian Я sounds the closes to Bri'ish "AE" sound)
* Names like "Underwood" constantly end transliterated as "Ундервуд", ignoring the fact U in "Under-" sounds like "ah" and, basically, 100% matches Russian "А".
* "Qu" may be transliterated as "Кью" (which, I believe, is correct; Q in YT videos indeed sounds softer than K to me); but some words (like "Quant" and "Quark") transliterated as "квант" and "кварк", without softness.
I thing this mismatch of pronounctuation and transliteration is a mess resulting in trobles when it comes to "bad/bed" 
Also; apparently Russian "Рррррр" growl is not fornd in letter R, yet... all of a sudden, it was "normal" to pronounce "got it" in such way is actually sounds as "гар ит" to me.
I also was confused to learn "T" in English feels not like "T" in Russian", but like "T" with a ... hmmm... slight flavour of Ч, -ch- sound.
Same for ....-s. It was quite a surprise to learn words like "rules" are closer to "rulez" in most cases. Uchyotka (talk) 00:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The whole "Russian accent" problem 

message: Instead, I feel I should cover the issues of other kind; like "And/End" problem and "Under" problem.
In Russian transliteration of English names, And/End both get transliterated as Энд.
* The AE sound never gets its special letter (although, IMO, Russian Я sounds the closes to Bri'ish "AE" sound)
* Names like "Underwood" constantly end transliterated as "Ундервуд", ignoring the fact U in "Under-" sounds like "ah" and, basically, 100% matches Russian "А".
* "Qu" may be transliterated as "Кью" (which, I believe, is correct; Q in YT videos indeed sounds softer than K to me); but some words (like "Quant" and "Quark") transliterated as "квант" and "кварк", without softness.
I thing this mismatch of pronounctuation and transliteration is a mess resulting in trobles when it comes to "bad/bed" 
Also; apparently Russian "Рррррр" growl is not fornd in letter R, yet... all of a sudden, it was "normal" to pronounce "got it" in such way is actually sounds as "гар ит" to me.
I also was confused to learn "T" in English feels not like "T" in Russian", but like "T" with a ... hmmm... slight flavour of Ч, -ch- sound.
Same for ....-s. It was quite a surprise to learn words like "rules" are closer to "rulez" in most cases. Uchyotka (talk) 00:36, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  My issues i had to face

message: Here is a Russlish joke (which is called anecdote in Russlish):
-How many hours? не не так: how much watch? six watch. such much? for whom how.
-It's three hours.
-That is late!
-To whom how.
If you translate it into Russian you'll understand ;d
Also, this word will appear in the vocabulary of Russlish speakers:
stupaya
Mix of stupid and glupaya
Don't forget mixed prepositions:
See that boat on picture?
-Iopq 10:23, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw a rather elaborate version of this joke some time ago; can't recall it in its entirety, but it ended with "Finished MGIMO? Asks!". Was pretty funny. IgorSF 10:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I just found this example in the Russian version of the article. Seems very fitting; I'll put it in. IgorSF 11:22, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The joke "Which watch etc." is borrowed from the movie Casablanca. I am not sure it belongs here. At least, it should be explained. As is, this secton looks silly. Cema 11:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd added it, together with an explanation what it means + reference to Casablanca. Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 16:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm taking it out; Casablanca is not a reliable source on the real world; I'd like to see some academic sources showing that a conversation anything like this has ever seriously taken place between two people. It's a funny joke, but it's got nothing to do with real phenomena.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 16:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Stupaya HAS a meaning in Russian: Going/Stepping. As to temporary word-sandwiching, that is characteristic of the Russian language and does not necessarily require a foreign environment, a foreign influence, or even any contact with anything non-Russian whatsoever; the Russian pun, joke, or sarcasm is often formed through the humorous abuse of word structure, double meanings, intentional mispronunciation, and false intentional mxing/use of ethnic or class dialects. Most if not all European languages do that, to some extent, but Russian uses it heavily and constantly, to the point where, in a sarcastic monologue or dialogue may contain little to no proper grammar, syntax, or vocabulary. There's no sense or possibility to list the typical phrases and euphemisms used, since the full Russian dictionary alone, without any of these informal wordplays, is 300-500 000 words. Word modification implies possible sarcasm, irony, or further description, while the verbs and adjectives in the sentence define its meaning. Thus, the richness of Russian profanity, with its 4(!!!) core words, usable as any part of speech (with suffices, endings, and other modifications), which allow the proficient speaker to describe any complicated action using SOLELY profanity derivatives in complete, grammatically correct complex sentences. The same can be applied to just about any and all words in the language. 128.195.186.63 18:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some stuff you might want to put in &mdash; OR NOT 

message: One thing not in the spoken manner section I have noticed with Russians who speak English is the problem with double-negatives (double, triple, etc. negatives are not only fine but important in Russian, whereas in English double negatives are not allowed in normal speech). I don't claim to be an expert in "Runglish" at all, but it seemed like a somewhat glaring omission? Just a thought which came to mind in looking at the article. --Fastfission 20:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added this point to the grammar section. Feel free to restate my text. Ъыь 06:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoken manner addition?

message: After the last edit, what is currently point 7 in Grammar states this:
Though "I haven't seen anybody" (Я никого не видел) in Russian is correct (or at least would be  correctly understood), it's used not often or more particularly (Я не видел никого подозрительного - I haven't seen anybody suspicious), while "I have seen nobody" would be completely incorrect.
First of all, "Я никого не видел" is not a correct translation of "I haven't seen anybody" (this was the latest change by an IP editor). Second, the (English) sentence structure seems (at least to me) somewhat confusing, specifically at the "more particularly" point; although I'm able to understand its meaning, someone without the knowledge of Russian may not. I rewrote this to hopefully change both problems.IgorSF 11:14, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still don't understand this example 

message: >to do sport → to go in for sports
Is it really not correct to say "go in for sports", "go in for dancing, playing piano" etc? We've been taught this all the time at school and university. --Anthony Ivanoff 17:37, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No; at least, it's not a standard usage in American English. It very well may be standard or at least acceptable in British English though; many of forms we've been taught in Russian schools correspond to British English (my favorite example, for some reason, is flat versus apartment). IgorSF 11:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not standard British in the sense that it's been taught in Soviet and Russian schools. It's one not very common idiomatic way that someone might say they "do a lot of" sport. What jars is the extent to which Russians have been encouraged to use it. It's not Runglish, though. (Я вхожу для спортов???)VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 03:43, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  go in for sports  

message: Hello, I of a polish descent, and was looking for fine russian languge tutorial, essentialy wanted to have phrases which sounds similar in english/russian, but found this. It's completly useless, it can be only a tips for russian people to ommit common mistakes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.105.115.25 (talk • contribs) 
:Wikipeida is not a how-to guide.  It's an encyclopedia.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 20:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Useless article

message: I've fixed an error, but it is possible to refix it otherwise.
The table was changed on May 13, 2007 (look at the history to learn more). Someone replaced "Спрашивает" by "Спрашиваешь". It was good, but the editor didn't replace "Asks!" by "Ask!", so I did it.
"Спрашиваешь" means "Askest!" ("Thou askest!") word-for-word. What a pity it is Early New English, not modern English!!
A. Demidov (talk) 17:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fixing an error

message: After cleaning up, I realise that there are almost no sources for Runglish (the Deletion discussion cited sources that were either mirrors or translations of each other), and half of the stuff (such as the volapuk - Runglish similarity) appear to have no sources at all, at least none that I can find (searching produces lots of mirrors of the article page). As for the "spoken manner" - don't those Russians have funny accents and make mistakes  is not encyclopaedic.
I suggest that the article is divided into three kinds of Runglish - the space station and other international co-operations, the Runglish of ex pats, and Runglish (Russlish/Nadsat etc.) in literature as something of interest. Foreign loanwords in Russian proper is not Runglish per se. Runglish itself is a phenomenon arising from people trying to use two different languages at once.
Unless anyone objects, I'll change things in a few days.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 04:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided to list the struggles I had to face when learning English. Uchyotka (talk) 05:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radical change proposed 

message: * Clearly this refers to spread of English loanwords in Russian language and has nothing to do with neither English nor Runglish themselves. 178.177.192.133 (talk) 18:09, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  So-called "official resistance to Runglish" 

message: In the "Some examples" section:
* "Ized cyawfeh": Not only is it unclear how this is pronounced, it does not seem like it is an accurate pronunciation anyway. Also this is an example of how "iced coffee" would be pronounced in a Russian accent rather than an example of Runglish. I checked the source article and it seems the reporter who wrote it did not have any knowledge of either Russian or Phonetics and just spelled it in the craziest way possible to make the article stand out more.
* "Slaysayushiy chiz": Personally, I find it unlikely that a word like "slaysayushiy" would ever be used in Runglish. Runglish speakers would rather resort to a more regular word such as "razslaysenyy" or "naslaysenyy" if not just "sliced".
--- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 20:55, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad examples 

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message: из самых шитовых статей. почти целиком хуйта и тень на плетень. Всё переписать.
лмао, очень может быть, я сам вообще не знаю. but this is an encyclopedia, not a place for our opinions. keep your commentary here on the talk page, and out of the article. Urodov (talk) 00:20, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Одна 

message: To the person who wrote 
 "Much of this is unsourced and frankly nonsensical. I have no idea what information the text is trying to convey in many places"
I have this answer: Of course it is! 
# In Russian, the very word "runglish" refers to adopting confusingly large amount of English words. Originally, the early article from ~2007 was about this kind of "runglish" etc. 
# Meanwhile, there is a list of lishes - a bunch of Wikipedia articles which describe which errors are common for which country. In this sense, there should be an article on "Runglish" of a different kind ---  a "lish" a Russian may have when speaking English. 
Well, №1 got a little mixed with №2. Sorry. I tried to describe some too many things in one article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.89.66.133 (talk) 14:17, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's an article on a "lish", not a nonsensical article 

message: I'm very confused - most of it I can understand just fine, but it seems to have been written in the subject of the article. Should it not be copy-edited to American English? I'm British myself so if I did it, I'd just make a hash of it. (I've this habit of not actually doing edits, but trying to discuss them first on talk pages; I seem to have a distant memory of being a problematic editor.) Ellenor2000 (talk) 09:57, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  It seems like the section "Runglish as 'Russian's flawed English'/lish" is itself.. written in a English-biased Runglish? 

message: So, an anonymous with IP related to New York attempted "Correcting a blatant lie"(sic!), prompting me to wonder.
As far as I can tell, it's rude to call one's edits "blatant lies". And the very capacity of being so rude hints to a lack of tact. 
 Russians do, however, frequently shorten certain words or phrases. The word for “now,” seychas (сейчас) is often pronounced as “shas” (щас) or just “sha” (ща)”. This is similar to the phenomenon wherein some British English speakers pronounce "a bottle of water" as "a bo'oh o' wa'er" (effectively silencing the "t" letter).
First and foremost, the claim here is based on a single word, as opposed to an accent.
Secondly, in Russia - mostly - the practice to shorten сейчас to щаз is frowned upon. "Shchaz" sounds low-culture, gopnik-ish, even. This is not to be put on par with an accent I was describing. Although, I have to admit, some actual accents in Russia may sound weird. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 08:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Blatant lie"