Talk:Communist Party of India (Marxist)/Archive 1

message: some supporter of cpim has added this "However, Indian Express reported later that court acquited Madhani from all charges and it is widely believed it was a conspiracy and human rights violation, to put him in jail for long years without trial citing "http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=90296",however the supporter has forgotten that the report was an agency report (PTI/UNI), where as my first source referred by Indian express reporter on the "MADHANI " issue ,and the second is an Editorial!.further irony is that assuming but agreeing that the agency report(http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=902960 on CPIM's secular credentials are correct, to say that "Indian Express reported later" was without commonsense .what is latter is the editorial of Express...there fore i am deleting this added and biased portion for gross violation of objectivity...       —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.144.11.54 (talk) 11:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Propaganda' is not a negative word amongst the communist parties. See Agitprop. As per the descriptions the vehicle was not taking part in election campaign, and the 'poster' was made of plastic so i don't know if poster is the correct word. --Soman 14:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

message: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,  --Soman 14:45, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for enlightening me on indian commies' actions. Thing is, it is an 'editor's footnote from year 1975 that says 'lately some maoists left'.--Constanz - Talk 14:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be the Centre of Indian Communists in Kerala. That split was however quite marginal. The CPI(M)-CPC break came with 1967. --Soman 15:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly. But it did occur, and exactly for the reason specified in the text.--Constanz - Talk 05:52, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reading material on 1967 split 

message: The history chapter is being rewritten at Communist Party of India (Marxist)/temp. Please lend a hand. --Soman 10:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History chapter 

message: User:203.199.60.3 (the so-called self-professed 'Indian National Congress - IT Cell') keeps adding POV material, but with such detachment from reality that it verges to pure vandalism.
*"CPI supported Communist Party of Soviet Union (CPSU) and CPI (M) supported Communist Party of China (CPC). These two parties will not take their own decisions. They will seek advices from Soviet Union and China respectively." I'm not sure whether the editor is aware of the Collapse of the Soviet Union. In any case it would be interesting to hear him explain how CPI keeps taking advice from the Soviet Union 15 years after its dissolution! As to CPI(M)-CPC relations, its completly bogus. CPI(M) had some sympathy for Chinese criticism of CPSU in the mid-1960s, but it never had a subordinated relationship to CPC. Relations were completly called of in 1967, and restarted only in the 1980s. But hardly particularily close.
*"CPI (M) even supported China in Indo-China war of 1962". CPI(M) formed in 1964. Go figure.
*"and many of their leaders like AK Gopalan, Susheela Gopalan, EMS Nambudiripad, Jyothi Basu, Nripan Chakravarthy, EK Nayanar, VS Achuthanandan, etc were worked as spies for Chinese government." Good luck giving a credible source for that.
*" The basic principles of CPI and CPI (M) are on Atheism. They are against all religions and they want to impose Atheism in India, similar to China and North Korea." Also completly unfounded. Both parties have reviewed relationship to religious currents, and are not imposing atheism.
*"CPI (M) is absically "anti-Poor, pro-Poverty" organization. The party's main agenda is to 'socialize poverty'. CPI (M) believes in violent struggles, militant revolution, militant Trade Unionism, Bureaucratic Redtape, Licence Raj, etc. The party is against Development, Progress, Higher Education, Reformation, Globalization, Infrastructure Development, Foreign Direct Investments (FDIs) and Foreign Indirect Investment (FIIs), etc." Yes, they just want whats bad for everybody!
*"They use to declare bandhs, hartals, strikes, dharnas, gheraos, rasta-roko etc and use to harass common peoples.", whereas Congress/BJP/VHP etc. declare bandhs for the delight of common people.
*"CPI (M) doesn't likes India to be a developed country." Try provide a source for that argument.
*"CPI (M) is one of the most corrupted political party in India." Source please. Then we could look into whether any accusations of corruption ever have been levelled towards the Congress...
*"They used to murder their political rival and it is common in the states like West Bengal, Kerala,and Tripura." In Tripura Congress used to carry pogroms on the tribal population, instigation massacres and burning villages. Not to speak about the semi-fascist terror during Congress rule in West Bengal or about role of Congress functionaries the anti-Sikh massacres of 1984.
*"CPI (M) is also against Computerization, Information Technology, Biotechnology, Modern Science & Technology." Which is an interesting claim. Who defended scientific rationale in the education system when Hindutva groups wanted to introduce astrology, if not CPI(M)?
*and finally my favorite: "Most of the members of CPI (M) are uneducated and illeterates.", in difference to the Congress cadres who are educated leterates.
--Soman 13:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV/Vandalism 

message: Could someone knowledgeable look at Talk:Communist Party of India (Marxist)/temp and see whether there is anything useful. The creator has not worked on the page since June and nobody has taken over. If there is anything useful, I suggest that it be merged into the article. If it is a better article, then perhaps it should replace this one (I have no knowledge of the topic and have not read either article). If there is nothing to merge, the page should be deleted. I am not going to put this page on my watchlist due to my lack of knowledge on this subject, so any replies to me here will go unanswered. -- Kjkolb 14:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk:Communist Party of India (Marxist)/temp 

message: This section is to discuss the recent edits sourced from The New Indian Express and The Pioneer about use of violence by CPI(M). Both these media houses are reliable sources from Wikipedia standards and guidelines. The article lacks critical observations about the political party from various corners. Those who are opposing these edits, please discuss your concerns here. --Deshabhakta (talk) 17:25, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia allows criticism to be added to article. Please let me know which Wikipedia policy requires criticism by opponents not be mentioned in an article. By Wikipedia standards, The Pioneer is a reliable source. --Deshabhakta (talk) 15:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to google up the claims presented by Deshbhakta, and it appears that the term is a nick-name given by opponents in WB rather than being a self-styled paramilitary organization. Noone disputes that rural Bengali politics is violent (and CPI(M)´s media organs has a long list of accusations against Trinamool and BUPC), but the wordings presented by Deshbhakta seems unfounded and taking the wordings of the references out of context and out of proportion. --Soman (talk) 18:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I don´t follow your reasoning exactly, but in brief: presenting the Harmath claim in the lead of the article is clearly a breach of WP:UNDUE. The notion that this accusation would be a defining characteristic of the party is an interpretation that is by no means self-evident from having read the article from expressbuzz.com. --Soman (talk) 18:25, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

text: If you think the sources quoted by me are not reliable, please check with RNS. If you feel the stories to be malicious, its your opinion. What I am using from the news report are those from the news reporters and not the people who he interviewed. I standby the validity of my edits based on the reliability of the sources used. --Deshabhakta (talk) 16:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have posted a request on RSN at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#The_New_Indian_Express_and_CPI.28M.29 Lets discuss this and arrive at a conclusion on the reliability of these articles under a neutral observer. Here is another report Four CPM men get life term which shows how CPIM men are involved in acts of violence including murder. So use of violence must find place in this article. --Deshabhakta (talk) 17:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I have posted my reply at WP:RSN, stating that this is not a RS issue, but rather a POV-pushing and SYNTH issue. In my opinion, the WP:RSN posting has not changed the dynamics of this discussion. --Soman (talk) 01:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm a bit tied up off-wiki at the moment, will reply soon. --Soman (talk) 17:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

text: No, it is not vandalism. Vandalism and edit conflicts are not the same. Wikipedia is an open, participatory encyclopedia, in which all text can be edited at all times. I also wish that some of the reverters would engage more constructively in the debate, but that don't make them vandals per se. --Soman (talk) 01:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Look, you know just as well that there is plenty of accusations (of far more massive character) against BJP. With a similar synth manner, one could introduce a similar passage in the lead of that article, stating "the BJP has been accused of X...". The wordings you've chosed consciously try to put the CPI(M) in a certain light, for obviously pov purposes. --Soman (talk) 19:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion page should not be used for general discussion on politics. Wikipedia requires the articles to be neutral. Critical observations from reliable sources are needed and presented on the article. No words chosen by me in my edits are out of context of the listed sources. --Deshabhakta (talk) 17:20, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism about the party 

message: This page is under purposeful attack from RSS lunatics. Like proving how uncivilized animals they are, without following any reason, they are making a lot of changes in many articles showing deep irreverence to wikipedia rules. I especially an idiot viz Deshabhakta who have engaged in past many months in propagating hidden agenda through his numerous contributions! These kind of malicious behavior from these hooligans should be hindered, for maintaining wikipedia in a civilized way.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.242.24.146 (talk) 18:21, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavy vandalism 

message: I've been off the talk page of this article for a while, having concentrated the limited time I have for wikipedia on other areas. I've been tied up in content conflicts on this article before, and I sincerely hoped that the task of countering the hindutva pov-mongering could have been taken up by someone else on the talk page. That said:
The edit that Deshabhakta reverts to is problematic as it (sorry for copy-pasting some older comments that have already been on WP:RSN, but belong better here);
1. The sentence in the lead isn't really backed up by references. The latter IE article does by no means relate to the sentence (it mentions a court case, no third-party criticism). The Pioneer article mentions that Bharatiya Janata Party, whom represent the diametrical opposite position as CPI(M) in Indian politics, accuses CPI(M) of violence in northern Kerala. The "salwa judum" IE article has several problems, such as mentioning 'criticism' by anonymous commentators. All major political parties in India are accused of violence by their opponents, and by Deshabhakta's logic the same sentence could be added in the lead of the articles on all major national parties. I suggest it be removed.
2. Likewise, I googled around regarding the 'Harmath' accusation. A picture emerges that the word is a nickname given to sectors close to or being accused of being linked to CPI(M) in rural West Bengal. Even the article cited by Deshabhakta from TNIE leaves more ambiguity than the edits he's made in the CPI(M) wiki article. Another TNIE article, by the same author as the 'salwa judum' one, says "The villagers have a name for the CPM frighteners — harmath". Likewise the ADPR representative cited in the 'salwa judum' article speculates about the origin of the term. Another quote ""I don't know who did what? But what I know and what the BUPC members tell me is that this was by the 'harmat bahini' (as locals call the CPM cadres)," said a sobbing Rinku Mondol", from sify.com. None of these articles support the wordings that Deshabhakta sought to include in the CPI(M) wiki article (such as "Harmath is the armed militia of the CPI(M) in West Bengal."). The ambiguity expressed in press clips is distorted into blunt statements, as if 'Harmath' would be a structured, self-identified paramilitary organization.
3. The case of Trinamool-Maoist links is analogous to the 'Harmath' accusations by Trinamool. This is part of the polarized political reality of West Bengal. There is no shortage of accusations that the political opponents are murders, thugs, in canoots with mafia, linked to terrorists, etc.., and both sides have press outlets to redistribute their claims. The question is how we should process this? Cherry-picking out the gooiest details for the sake of pushing our own POV is not the answer, imo. --Soman (talk) 01:17, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope we all agree that TNIE is a reliable by Wikipedia standards. This has already been discussed on RSN. Before starting to answer your specific queries, let me quote the moderator's comment on RSN : "They appear to be reliable sources for the citations".
1. The sentence in the lead isn't really backed up by references.
The sentence you are referring to is "The party is criticized for using violence against political opponents.". here are the quotes from the sources i have listed for this sentence.
*From The Salwa Judum of Bengal
*From Four CPM men get life term
Clearly this shows use of violence by CPI(M) and hence the sentence is not out of place. If you have problem with the word "criticized" because no third party criticism is listed in the mentioned sources, I can reword the sentence in the lead section as "The party uses violence to suppress opponent political movements." or "There have been many instances of the party resorting to violence against political opponents." 
The last quote is a court verdict; no better proof needed.
The problem with anonymity of commentator's in IE article should be taken up with IE itself. Its a standard practice worldwide that press does not mention names of individuals when needed that too in cases like this where commentators are talking about murderers,loots etc. I dont find it incorrect for IE to have withheld names considering their safety.
2. Secondly, it is about the term Harmath. The supporting quote from the mentioned source is 
*From The Salwa Judum of Bengal
It says in a pretty straight forward way that The harmath is the armed militia of the ruling CPI(m). No ambiguity at all. This is not some third party opinion that the report is quoting. I actually agree with your point that Harmath may not be a structured, self-identified paramilitary organization and there are stories around the 'term' 'Harmath'. You can very well place a note in the paragraph mentioning harmath, that the term is just used like a nickname to CPM's hired goons and not a formal organization. The listed sources and especially following quote give enough support for the argument that CPM maintains/hires men to carry out violent attacks on political opponents.
*From The Salwa Judum of Bengal
The following quote supports that it is not an organized body; rather runs on hire per task basis.
I myself will go ahead and place an edit saying Harmath is not a formally structured organization.
3. Third one is just an observation on politics in certain parts of India and not relevant to the edits and their sources being discussed. Anyway, TNIE is certainly not a press outlet of the Trinamool Congress party. So its unacceptable to say that we cannot quote from TNIE on matters related to CPIM. On this aspect, yes i agree, that The Daily Pioneer's Chief Editor is a member of BJP and might carry mere accusations. Though there is no Wiki policy banning the mentioning of views of political opponents (the other POV), I am ready to remove Pioneer as the source of my edits. Pioneer has been just as secondary and supporting reference along with other sources.
Further, The sentence in the lead section is a very short summary of the many instances of use of violence mentioned in the article. Hence, the statement must be retained in the lead section. For the Nandigram elections incident, both IE and The Times Of India are sources.
--Deshabhakta (talk) 17:49, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current edit war 

message: Hi Viplovecomm, this is regarding your recent edits in the Nandigram Conflict section. This content is not sourced from a reliable source. It should be deleted immediately for the same reason. Plus, Its an unnecessarily lengthy commentary. Let me know if you have objection to the removal of this content diff from unreliable sources.
Also, you have removed the following well sourced content from the article. This needs to be reinstated.
--Deshabhakta (talk) 19:24, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nandigram Conflict 

message: I think, what deshabhakta is doing is supressing the general will. Earlier VLC, now me...Plz. friend dont do it, we are fellow editors.
I propose that the section of intro "violence against political opponents", must be discontinued, because of the following reasons:
-What you described as salwa judum of bengal, is nothing but a misinterpretation. Because naxals are no more democartic political force, but they are brutal anarchists who are murdering people. So how can you justify "self defence", by villagers of bengal as political violence.
-if you talk about CPIM's violence against BJP activists in Kerala, then my friend plz. look at the other side also. This must be discontinued on the grounds that every party is induldge in some sort of violence, CPIM is no more different.
In total this is nothing but a collection of pity issues to defame the Image of a Major Political Party of This country, for this the User who wrote these lines, can be sued in court.
Plz. remove these lines from intro, they are misleading, and highly biased. Believe me Naxals are induldge in far more brutal and violent political supression then CPIM, so how can you justify something as "Salwa Judum of West Bengal", when there is no reported incident of an "innocent killing(other then naxals)" by theee armed villagers, how can you compare this with chattisgarh.
Thanks.
-Ravivajpayee (talk) 20:00, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert Vandalism 

message: ...to all involved parties of the present conflict is to study the Wikipedia Manual of Style and guidelines. There is an obvious inflation in accusations of vandalism and posting of "warning tags". It should be clear that, in wikipedia terminology, this is a dispute over content, not vandalism. Vandalism and pushing a biased agenda are two different things in Wikipedia practice, and have different ways of being dealt with. The present dispute stands as a remainder of the (nearly) universal truth of "criticism" chapters being inherently bad for the quality of any political article. --Soman (talk) 22:34, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't help but to comment on this; In what sense is User:1234r00t an "anti-vandals moderator"? "Moderator" is not any official Wikipedia term. Wikipedia:Moderator redirects to Wikipedia:Administrators, a title which 1234r00t does not possess. --Soman (talk) 06:40, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A general advice... 

message: What is going on here is Deshabhakta is bringing facts to the surface that are true but unfortunate. He is not violating WP:NPOV because he is citing reliable sources. He may not be speaking the truth that communist governments let out but in the United States the truth he is using is true. Please cease the edit-warring NOW! any more will be straight-out vandalism and will lead to indefinite bans. Enough edit warring Mr. R00t  Leave me a Message 02:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have posted a comment at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-05-03/Communist Party of India (Marxist) regarding 1234r00t's 'mediation' attempt. --Soman (talk) 05:42, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Well, as one might expect my view differs. 1) It is not only in cases of breaches of wiki guidlines that edits may be reverted or rewritten. Every time you save a wikipedia page, you agree to the statement "If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here.". Wikipedia is a participatory project, in which individual ownership of texts do not exist. 2) That said, I'd say that I'm mainly worried with WP:SYNTH and WP:NPOV issues here. You write a sentence like "The CPM resorts to violent techniques to gain political advantages.". The linked reference gives no backing for the claim. It is a short newspiece, that mentions that "four CPI(M) workers" had been sentenced in a court for killing a RSS cadre in northern Kerala. Nowhere is there any mention of any systematic patter or tactics on behalf of the party as such. Nor is there any wider description of the conflict in northern Kerala. I'm not saying that this Expressbuzz article is a fabrication in any way, nor am I trying to white-wash the fact that there has been for several years a bloody feud between CPI(M) and RSS in those areas (in fact, I know it first n' half hand). But pinpointing CPI(M) as the sole aggressor is definately POV and is not supported by the Expressbuzz article. 3) If you feel my comment earlier about editing patterns is unjustified, I have to clarify that it is my personal perception and is not necessarily correct. If I'm proven wrong, I would apologize. --Soman (talk) 20:51, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is unacceptable. I do not know if  Arbitrarily0 has come in yet to help out but you must stop this. Starting May 31  any reversions made must have the Wikipedia policy violated in the edit summary. I don't care how you feel about this. I have started talking to the ArbComm about  Viplovecomm,  Nithinj, and  Soman. This is not biased in favor of Deshabhakta because all of you are currently the ones instigating the problem. Please end this bickering Mr. R00t  Leave me a Message 23:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Look, either you participate in the discussion or you don't. Just ranting with bold markings and talking as if you are giving commands ("you must", "I will have you banned", use of exclamation points, etc.) is not communicating. The article is protected until May 31 in order to encourage the involved parties to find a solution. Finding a solution requires communication, stating "end this bickering" is not conducive for discussion. Are mine and some other editor's objections not valid, and if so on what basis? And do you feel that Deshabhakta has tried to present a balanced view of the political situation in northern Kerala? --Soman (talk) 05:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Your reply above was "Clearly this shows use of violence by CPI(M) and hence the sentence is not out of place. If you have problem with the word "criticized" because no third party criticism is listed in the mentioned sources, I can reword the sentence in the lead section as "The party uses violence to suppress opponent political movements." or "There have been many instances of the party resorting to violence against political opponents."
The last quote is a court verdict; no better proof needed.", which essentially means agreeing to the fact that you construct your own intepretation. --Soman (talk) 19:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  its not a constructed opinion. Its a statement based on several listed reliable sources/reports. Wiki is not a copy-paste media to put sentences taken directly from a source as it is. It will lead to copyright violation. Wiki articles are based on or sourced from reliable sources; not copy pasted from sources.
That too the lead section should contain a concise summary of the article. The statement added in lead section is a summary of various instances listed in sections of the article.
--Deshabhakta (talk) 18:18, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is actually going on here 

message: In fact Soman, I do believe that your objections are invalid. I believe that unless something actually violates a wiki policy than it should not be removed. You seem to have the misguided idea that you may delete anything that you find incorrect or inappropriate. I think instead Deshabhakta's sources and ideas should be respected and if thought to be incorrect discussed. Instead we are deleting information that should otherwise be kept. I understand that my previous attempt at mediation was slightly in the wrong; but (yes there is a but) I still do agree with all I have said.  Mr. R00t  Leave me a Message 21:41, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Try to apply that logic on entire wikipedia, and check what the consequences would be. If we were to reach a consensus on each removal of text, Wikipedia would serve little use more than a messaging board. The very essence lies in the participatory aspect, that all text can be edited at anytime by anyone. Sometimes disagreements occur, and then there lies a mutual responsibility to encounter constructive solutions. To clarify, I do think that Deshabhakta's edits are incorrect (and have argued that they are problematic considering WP:NPOV and WP:SYNTH guidelines), that he consciously is trying to portray an incorrect and biased image of the party. That does not mean that all details in his edits are hoaxes or that the linked publications are frauds, but the conclusions he choses to draw from those references are misleading. --Soman (talk) 22:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In theory that logic should be applied to all of wiki. This is, of course, impossible. But, when we have edit warring it should be practiced. Mr. R00t  Leave me a Message 17:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have already replied to your objections based on NPOV and SYNTH. What is the basis for accusing my edits as portraying an "incorrect" and "biased" image of the party? What are the reasons for calling them "incorrect" and "biased"? Please list out reliable sources to assert that my sources are "incorrect" and "baised".
Plus, we must all agree to adhere to Wiki editing policies at least in the dispute resolution cases like this. As Mr Root has said, ideally, this should be universally true for Wiki.
--Deshabhakta (talk) 18:37, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invaild Objections 

message: I am writing regarding this section:
"The CPM resorts to violent techniques to gain political advantages. The acts go to the extent of murdering members of other political parties.Four CPM men get life term - 25 March 2010Eight CPIM workers sentenced to life in murder case - 28 July 2009Sainbari Killings Return to Haunt CPI(M) - 17 March 2010 In Kerala, Yuva Morcha State vice-president KT Jayakrishnan was hacked to death by the CPI(M) men in an upper primary school in East Mokeri while he was teaching his students. The BJP cadre are subject to torture by the police and CPI(M) goons in Kannur and Thalassery areas.BJP to campaign against CPM violence - The Pioneer 20 November 2007"
These sources say nothing of political advantages, and it may be most ideal to refer to the men accused, not the organization.  Here is a suggested rewrite.  Note that I have removed the assertion that KT Jayakrishnan was hacked to death by CPI(M) men, as the source notes only an allegation, which is not enough to support a blanket statement that it had happened:
"CPI(M) members have used violence against political adversaries.  There have even been murders by CPI(M) members. Four CPM men get life term - 25 March 2010Eight CPIM workers sentenced to life in murder case - 28 July 2009Sainbari Killings Return to Haunt CPI(M)  There has reportedly been a history of violence between political parties, which can even extend into the realm of police power.   BJP to campaign against CPM violence - The Pioneer 20 November 2007 Frontline 2009"
Also notable here is the wider view of the killing, I've only just moments ago started studying these politics, but it didn't take me very long to discover sources which do not find CPI(M) members to be the only players in the field of violence (that's the final link, which is not numbered or referenced).  Regardless, the characterization of CPI(M) members as goons is non-neutral and should be removed.  This is the only part of the article I've focused on, but I do find myself greatly concerned with what appears to be a non-neutral tone.  I invite conversation in this regard! 72.192.46.9 (talk) 16:05, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I originally only made extra time on wikipedia for the sake of one instance, I will try to fulfill this request to the best of my ability, within the time that I have!  One thing, the newly edited statement saying that CPI(M) has been criticized for use of violence by its opposition parties may not be entirely neutral either.  Stating that CPI(M) members have committed acts of violence as well as members of other parties, I believe, is the more neutral statement (they aren't just accused, CPI(M) members have been convicted of acts of violence).  Thoughts?  72.192.46.9 (talk) 22:19, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

text: I am afraid I must disagree, the citation clearly states that the men were convicted of, not accused of, a crime.  Those are different things, are you saying that the source is incorrect, or not reliable?  If that is not so, then it is not neutral to state convictions as accusations.  We need to revisit your first revision, as you seem to have swung the point of view too far in another direction, from my summation.  72.192.46.9 (talk) 20:27, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding a section of work: 

message: Majority of Users on this page, are against the edits of DESHBHAKTA, regarding his continous push for "Harmath" propaganda. He is continously denying that general consensus, and engaged in an "EDIT WAR" with other editors.
I request all the editors here to stop pushing forward the biased agenda, and preserve the high scholary value of this article, please make "Constructive Edits".
More he has further deny Tehlka(a reputed news magazine) as incredible, [], because it goes against his edits.
-Viplovecomm (talk) 10:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a place for straight praise. Wikipedia is a place for a balanced article including both good and bad things about a subject. Just because someone or something has done a distasteful act does not mean it should be censored from the article. If someone has possibly done something than it should not be included. We know that Harmath happened. So it should be included in the article. Mr. R00t  Talk 19:23, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Harmath did happen. In the 15th century, that is. --Soman (talk) 19:42, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Oh, the irony. The point here is that harmath is virtually a cognate of 'bandit', a fact that should be taken into account. --Soman (talk) 17:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If the party uses bandits, lets mention it on this article. The TNIE article clearly says the party hires goons, pays lacs of rupees to for murders and rioting.
--Deshabhakta (talk) 17:58, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus against Harmath 

message: I've protected the page following a request on WP:RfPP. I've also removed a contentious section that was poorly worded, after a request from Deshabhakta.  If that section is returned, it will need to be written very differently; editors should stick closely to the description of events given by high-quality independent sources, and should cite the sources using inline citations, making clear which source supports which point. See the policy on sourcing at WP:V. Cheers, SlimVirgin talk|contribs 17:08, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi VLC, whatever the background to what happened, the section was written inappropriately, e.g. "On 7th January the armed gang of possibly ...[X] activists have attacked ... [Y], the hooligoons have beaten him up, burnt his house, and then burnt him alive till death on haystack. A women was raped by these hooligoons, just because she belonged to a family of ... [Z] sympathisers." This was written in Wikipedia's voice. We have to write in a disinterested tone, closely following reports from the best sources available. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 18:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Also, it's best to have this discussion with the other editors on the article's talk page, so I'm going to copy this there. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 18:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks SlimVirgin for full protection of the article but for ur kind info this article had been previously been fully protected for 1 weak after that both Viplovecomm and Deshabhakta have continued to rv their each other edits, its like both of them are fighting as communist and anti-communist groups and have zero consensus between them. If you look at both their talk page they all received warning but who cares still maintaining their ego. And I have no doubt that Viplovecomm is a strong communist supporter and Deshabhakta a strong anti-communist supporter. Rather improving the quality of this article both are obsessed about rv their edits. So SlimVirgin PLS keep an eye on both of them and yes after the protection level is expired I'm quite confident they would maintain their journey. Its an ENDLESS battle between two groups.--Kkm010as© 09:04, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

text: False. The archive of the discussion is availible at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_60#The_New_Indian_Express_and_CPI.28M.29, in which one user says "They appear to be reliable sources for the citations. As it says at the top of the page, POV issues are for the NPOV Noticeboard". To claim that any decision has been taken is not correct. RSN is a notice-board on seeking advice about the use of sources, not a moot court. There was no deeper debate in the RSN thread about the bias of the publications in question. For me, the question has not so much been the editorial bias of the publications referenced but rather the creative interpretations by Deshabhakta of the article contents. --Soman (talk) 18:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been no "creative" interpretation in my edits. SYNTH has already been discussed and i have clarified on all questions raised.
--Deshabhakta (talk) 18:18, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we agree to disagree on this. I suppose. --Soman (talk) 19:24, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Why Viplovecomm are u feeling insecure/sad that CPI(M)/CPI is slowly vanishing from India. Losing election after election. Its quite evident that this party doesn't want any development for India and its people but can certainly create violence against other political parties. Well  people of India adore democracy and capitalism (Which the CPI(M) hates). And no party can stop this country from progressing. Good luck my dear socialist friend, in 2011 (West Bengal + Kerala) they are going to get the death punch! god knows what the fate of that party shall be. A day shall come when this party would get ZERO votes and people of India will hate this party. Thank You--122.173.189.231 (talk) 12:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Interestingly, (more or less) identical commentaries were common in Indian media/public debate in the early 1990s. Thats like 18-20 years ago for now. --Soman (talk) 13:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

text: But this time its different fall of communism is inevitable look at USA or UK they are free from communist violence or communism, India too shall be free from this goons(Yes they are goons no doubt). The whole world has embraced CAPITALISM and Hated socialism its the capitalism that is the clear winner. There future is looking bleak the nightmare is yet to come. Not even god can help them, their collapse would similar to Soviet Union during 1990. Remember time is ticking!--122.162.17.134 (talk) 08:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protection 

message: (copied from SlimVirgin's talk page)
Hello,
You have protected CPIM article, and removed the controversial sections. Thanks for that. I want to inform you that this user Deshbhakta is vandalizing the article from past 4-5 months. I've been editor of this article from past 4 years. More experienced editors were against his edits. 
He criticized me on writing "NANDIGRAM CONFLICT", because it goes against the propaganda put forwarded by him. Now you have removed that section. But I ask you to please read it once, no crap citation is given there. The written word in that article is proved with the best citations possible from most popular dailies of India, and also with popular documentaries. 
I request you to please take a look in the case, personally.
That Documentary  "Nandigram: In quest of truth" is not a stray documentary. It was made in 2007 by Senior Scholars from Jawaharlal Nehru University. Deshbhakta has said that it contains just pictorial graphics, but dear friend, this Documentary uses video feeds from NDTV & 24 Ghanta News Channels. Additional references from "Peoples Democracy" Newspaper was also provided by me, along with this documentary. This documentary is however is in hindi, i feel that you cant understands Hindi language, thats why Deshbhakta is able to convince you on the issue. Please have a look in the issue. I think wikipedia is a place of high academic value, we must free its platform from all the biasedness and propaganda.
[NANDIGRAM SECTION]
Warm Regards.
-Viplovecomm (talk) 18:28, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi VLC, whatever the background to what happened, the section was written inappropriately, e.g. "On 7th January the armed gang of possibly ...[X] activists have attacked ... [Y], the hooligoons have beaten him up, burnt his house, and then burnt him alive till death on haystack. A women was raped by these hooligoons, just because she belonged to a family of ... [Z] sympathisers." This was written in Wikipedia's voice. We have to write in a disinterested tone, closely following reports from the best sources available. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 18:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Also, it's best to have this discussion with the other editors on the article's talk page, so I'm going to copy this there. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 18:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks SlimVirgin for full protection of the article but for ur kind info this article had been previously been fully protected for 1 weak after that both Viplovecomm and Deshabhakta have continued to rv their each other edits, its like both of them are fighting as communist and anti-communist groups and have zero consensus between them. If you look at both their talk page they all received warning but who cares still maintaining their ego. And I have no doubt that Viplovecomm is a strong communist supporter and Deshabhakta a strong anti-communist supporter. Rather improving the quality of this article both are obsessed about rv their edits. So SlimVirgin PLS keep an eye on both of them and yes after the protection level is expired I'm quite confident they would maintain their journey. Its an ENDLESS battle between two groups.--Kkm010as© 09:04, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

text: False. The archive of the discussion is availible at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_60#The_New_Indian_Express_and_CPI.28M.29, in which one user says "They appear to be reliable sources for the citations. As it says at the top of the page, POV issues are for the NPOV Noticeboard". To claim that any decision has been taken is not correct. RSN is a notice-board on seeking advice about the use of sources, not a moot court. There was no deeper debate in the RSN thread about the bias of the publications in question. For me, the question has not so much been the editorial bias of the publications referenced but rather the creative interpretations by Deshabhakta of the article contents. --Soman (talk) 18:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been no "creative" interpretation in my edits. SYNTH has already been discussed and i have clarified on all questions raised.
--Deshabhakta (talk) 18:18, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we agree to disagree on this. I suppose. --Soman (talk) 19:24, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Why Viplovecomm are u feeling insecure/sad that CPI(M)/CPI is slowly vanishing from India. Losing election after election. Its quite evident that this party doesn't want any development for India and its people but can certainly create violence against other political parties. Well  people of India adore democracy and capitalism (Which the CPI(M) hates). And no party can stop this country from progressing. Good luck my dear socialist friend, in 2011 (West Bengal + Kerala) they are going to get the death punch! god knows what the fate of that party shall be. A day shall come when this party would get ZERO votes and people of India will hate this party. Thank You--122.173.189.231 (talk) 12:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Interestingly, (more or less) identical commentaries were common in Indian media/public debate in the early 1990s. Thats like 18-20 years ago for now. --Soman (talk) 13:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

text: But this time its different fall of communism is inevitable look at USA or UK they are free from communist violence or communism, India too shall be free from this goons(Yes they are goons no doubt). The whole world has embraced CAPITALISM and Hated socialism its the capitalism that is the clear winner. There future is looking bleak the nightmare is yet to come. Not even god can help them, their collapse would similar to Soviet Union during 1990. Remember time is ticking!--122.162.17.134 (talk) 08:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Protection CPIM Article. 

message: === Becoming a Party member ===
Getting a party membership in a Communist party has a procedure. Its that you will have to work under any of the mass fronts like the students wing, womens, farmers & so on.then seeing the persons dedication & committment,he/she will be referred to be a part of the party,but party membership is not given.
During this period you will be informed about the party events, programs & other activities held.you could participate in it & gradually learn the principles,organisation structure & many other things related to the party.by learning these things it helps a person to think & act in favour of the common man.then again by seeing the dedication & committment,improvement he/she will be referred to be a part of the party in the area level.
So a person will be reffered to various committees like area committee,dist committee,state committee & so on.so only the people who possess good knowledge about marxism & who live according to its principles will be referred to the higher committees.to get a party membership it might take atleast 3-4 years & this after assosiating with various mass fronts.so by the time a person becomes a party member he/she will be a communist by all means.After becoming a party member a person's involvement will be verified every year during the time of membership renewal.if the higher committee feels that the person is inactive or kept away from the party activites,then his or her membership would not be renewed.During membership renewal a persons negative & positive aspects are discussed & he/she will be asked to improve on the negative qualities that he/she has.the feed back is given by members in his same designation & from his immediate higher committee members.
every party member is suppose to contribute to the party as levy on the percentage of his/her salary, which will be used for party activities,to pay the salary of party workers,office expenses.
Myteam.n (talk) 22:45, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:22, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Myteam.n, 7 December 2010 

message: Getting a party membership in a Communist party has a procedure. Its that you will have to work under any of the mass fronts like the students wing, womens, farmers & so on.then seeing the persons dedication & committment,he/she will be referred to be a part of the party,but party membership is not given.
During this period you will be informed about the party events, programs & other activities held.you could participate in it & gradually learn the principles,organisation structure & many other things related to the party.by learning these things it helps a person to think & act in favour of the common man.then again by seeing the dedication & committment,improvement he/she will be referred to be a part of the party in the area level.
So a person will be reffered to various committees like area committee,dist committee,state committee & so on.so only the people who possess good knowledge about marxism & who live according to its principles will be referred to the higher committees.to get a party membership it might take atleast 3-4 years & this after assosiating with various mass fronts.so by the time a person becomes a party member he/she will be a communist by all means.After becoming a party member a person's involvement will be verified every year during the time of membership renewal.if the higher committee feels that the person is inactive or kept away from the party activites,then his or her membership would not be renewed.During membership renewal a persons negative & positive aspects are discussed & he/she will be asked to improve on the negative qualities that he/she has.the feed back is given by members in his same designation & from his immediate higher committee members.
every party member is suppose to contribute to the party as levy on the percentage of his/her salary, which will be used for party activities,to pay the salary of party workers,office expenses.
Myteam.n (talk) 22:45, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:22, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Becoming a Party member 

message: Hi and New Year wishes to all,
Friends as we all know Wikipedia adminstrators have granted us all the "edit rights of CPIM article"  as a new year gift. In the Past few months since the article was blocked from editing, Some of the constrictive editors like "Soman" have suggested that "CONTROVERSIES" are of no good for an healthy article, particlary in case of political parties controversies are often planted with biased intentions. Lateron the curator of Trinamool Congress article KKM010, also agreed somewhere with this view, when he reverted slanted biased edits of a Pro-CPM supporter on "Trinamool Congress Page"(regarding AITC Maoist Nexus).
So considering the genuine concerns of these two constructive editors, i am removing controversy section from CPIM page.
Because of this controversy section the "valuable time" of Constructive editors is being lost in reverting the slanted edits of POV Pushers.
I've decided to UPDATE this article here on after. Please support our idea of "removing controversy section" for preserving the high scholarly standards of this article.
-Viplovecomm (talk) 18:22, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating the article 

message: regarding this edit, do note the following passage in Link, vol. 7, "But there were 15 delegates who supported Parimal Dasgupta. Even Promode Dasgupta. the organisational boss in the State, said that he agreed with many points made by Parimal but he thought they could not be eleborated in the Tenali..." --Soman (talk) 17:53, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parimal and Promod 

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I have added the official twitter account of Communist Party of India (Marxist), https://twitter.com/cpimspeak in the external link section. I am supporting my edit with the following reliable citation.
* http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/cpm-embraces-the-power-of-social-media-launches-twitter-account-for-better-connect-with-gen-next-ahead-of-ls-polls/articleshow/31207538.cms  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Work2win (talk • contribs) 19:11, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
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message: what on earth? I'm trying to revert but it isnt saving. please make this page semi-protected. 122.176.32.138 (talk) 10:02, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
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