Talk:Battle of Britain

message: Additionally, the figure of 126 planes shot down is heavily questioned; it's twice as many as any other squadron, including the Polish pilots of 302. I do not mean to suggest the Poles of 303 inflated their kills, but there has been some confusion somewhere along the way to get this figure. Polish historian Jacek Kutzner, who has done extensive research on the squadron, revises the figure down to 58.8, which is still the highest, but possibly more realistic. Regardless, the figure of 126 should stop being accepted as outright fact. 2A00:23C5:CE18:BA01:319F:B5C2:B534:1C6E (talk) 22:31, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, but we need a reference to a reliable source in order to include that information in the article. --Shimbo (talk) 23:59, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: At present the article only says that 303 Sqn pilots filed 126 claims and that 303 Sqn was possibly the highest-scoring Hurricane squadron. As previously mentioned, John Alcorn, in 'Battle of Britain Top Guns: Update' (Aeroplane, July 2000, pp.24-29), says that 303 Sqn actually filed 121 claims of which 45 are substantiated by post-war research, an accuracy rate of 37% (one of the lowest accuracy rates in the RAF, and the only ones lower than that tended to be from squadrons with only a few kills, so the proportional effect is larger). Although 303 Sqn were among the worst overclaimers, by a factor of almost 3:1 -- perhaps an index of their enthusiasm -- they were nevertheless the highest-scoring Hurricane squadron (the next best was 501 Sqn with 40.5 kills) and the third highest-scoring of all RAF squadrons, after 603 Sqn with 57.5 kills and and 609 Sqn with 51.5, both these being Spitfire squadrons. Incidentally, 603 Sqn's 85.8 claims were 67% accurate and 609 Sqn's 86 claims were 60% accurate. But 303 Sqn's actual kill record was very good considering that they only entered the battle when it was halfway through. Dowding's suggestion that the outcome of the battle might have been different without the Poles was polite hyperbole (there were almost as many New Zealanders in Fighter Command, Al Deere for one, and they didn't have to be taught English, or the basics of R/T discipline which was central to Fighter Command's effort), but the Poles certainly did their bit. Khamba Tendal (talk) 18:58, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: And do you have any proof of this claim? The Banner talk 18:18, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Which claim did you have in mind? I already cited the source for the figures given. If you're asking about national participation, there were 126 New Zealanders and 98 Canadians who flew with Fighter Command in the battle, compared to 145 Poles and 88 Czechs. (Famously, the highest-scoring pilot with 303 Squadron, Sgt Frantisek with 17 victories, was a Czech. Sadly he did not survive.) https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/online-exhibitions/history-of-the-battle-of-britain/battle-of-the-nations/ Khamba Tendal (talk) 17:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Accuracy of 303 Squadron victories

message: looking at the background. Why the written texts are related first to strategic bombing of ww1, not germans intention to invade britatin with ideological goal? 2404:8000:1027:85F6:5DF:9A77:C364:2260 (talk) 12:15, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the strategic bombing doctrine and the related credo "the bomber always gets through" determined for a long time the military thinking. At first, the higher echelons of military and and of politics did not expect that a suitable and effective defense was even possible. The Banner talk 16:59, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background? 

message: Breadner is listed under the commanders and leaders section. However, unless I am missing something, in the summer of 1940 he was in an administrative role in Canada and not actual in command of anything related to the battle. I see no reason for him to be so designated and propose removing his name. To my thinking the commanders and leaders should be those actually in command, i.e. Dowding and his four group commanders.  HenryPulleine (talk) 12:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Breadner was the Canadian Chief of Air Staff during the Battle of Britain. So I think he was technically in command of the Canadian Squadrons involved. For the rest, I noticed that he is not mentioned anywhere in the article outside the infobox. So yes, I think his name can be removed. The Banner talk 13:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lloyd Breadner