Talk:David Klinghoffer

message: For reference, I also started some discussion of David Klinghoffer at Talk:Jewish reactions to intelligent design. On that page, I have suggested that while Klinghoffer is noteworthy, he does not really belong on the page as representing a part of Jewish opinion on Intelligent design because he is basically a one-man show and a paid publicist for the Discovery Institute, which is known to be a Christian funded organization. His job is to write things and get them published, to make it appear that there is widespread support in the Jewish world for intelligent design, and perhaps to convince more Jews that it is kosher or at least kobesedik for Jews to believe in intelligent design. --Metzenberg 08:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at Talk:Jewish_reactions_to_intelligent_design 

message: Selecting a list of publications to list on a persons biography is something to be wary of. Under what method were these articles selected? Could any bias/POV be inferred from this selection? Does it supply undue weight?--ZayZayEM 00:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The three books he has written are what he is noteworthy for, so of course they should be listed here. One of them is his memoir. The book about how "the Jews rejected Jesus" is actually very significant, in that it seems to be written for Christian readers, not Jewish readers. In my opinion, it tells fundamentalist Christians what they want to think about themselves. It almost panders to them. What's the bias?  Since these books are what he is noteworthy for, this isn't really a selected list; it is the list. --Metzenberg 02:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Selected" 

message: While indeed there is no evolution that is not "Darwinian" in modern scientific theory, that's not the case in Jewish theology. Visit this section Judaism and evolution#Jewish opposition to Darwinian evolution. Haredi Orthodox Jews are accepting of evolution. They accept that life evolved over long periods of time, and that scientific methods can prove that. They don't reject what science can prove.  Indeed, they even claim that their rabbinical sages supported the scientific method. No young earth creationists here! What they reject is the materialistic view of evolution of the modern Darwinian synthesis, which is not teleological. They reject the idea that it was random, that God was not involved. So I am going to reword this passage to make that clear. (The Lubavitcher Rebbe, a Hasidic Jew, not a Haredi, did make some half-hearted young Earth statements.) --Metzenberg 02:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darwinian "materialistic" evolution 

message: Who is Larry Yudelson? What does it mean to say he "charges" that Klinghoffer is paid by his employer? If the Discovery Insitute is a "Christian" think tank, how do we square this with the fact that DI employs the author (Klinghoffer) of a Jewish polemic that argues against Christian beliefs? From the text above, the answers to these questions remain unclear. -- this was originally posted to the article itself by 67.90.239.66 on 00:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved 67.90.239.66's questions here. While it isn't the kind of material that belongs in an article on Wikipedia, it's appropriate for a Talk page. You can read Larry Yudelson's own comments yourself on his blog. Yudelson (aka Reb Yudel) is a Jewish Blogger who owns a small publishing company. He also writes for printed media, mostly for the Jewish press. A year or two ago, Reb Yudel would not really have passed the "noteworthiness" test for an article in Wikipeida, but I would say that today, by de facto standards, he surely does. So here goes with an article about him. --Metzenberg 05:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Larry Yudelson? 

message: According to the article as currently (7 Aug 2011) written, Klinghoffer was raised as a reform Jew and "formally converted" to Orthodox Judaism. But regardless of what the intent was, the wording is very poor, given that according to Jewish law no "conversion" process is necessary or even possible for someone born Jewish. (There is apparently no indication in the article that he was not born Jewish.) Toddcs (talk) 04:58, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The source indicates he was born to Swedish immigrants, adopted by Jewish parents who raised him Reform, and later converted to Orthodox Judaism. A Reform conversion (assuming there was one) would not be accepted by Orthodox Judaism. Jayjg (talk) 05:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion: Converted? 

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