Talk:Lillie Rosa Minoka Hill

message: I have been truly lost, and posted a message on Wikipedia:Teahouse#New_rules_to_question_reliable_sources?
So, I have things to sort out:
* The tone message that was added to the article. I removed all of the content that I had not found citations for - and I think that's going to take care a lot of the problem. I will keep working on it.
* I hadn't really processed yet that Lillie's place of birth is really uncertain, So, I took that out of the body of the article and the infobox and added a note. I didn't just state one or the other because there could be a third: Atlantic City. That came from a dissertation by her granddaughter, though, so to use it I have to find another source.
* Cullen advised clean-up as well. Specifics are helpful if you can share.
I removed the "known for" info from the infobox - that's an easy fix / compromise and there's no sourcing issue.
The thing that still stumps me is - what published sources state that Lillie wasn't a Mohawk woman - and the accusation that she was claiming to be one when she wasn't? I had mentioned earlier on this talk page that there might be a way to come up with a note, discounting the Mohawk connection if there was something about her circumstances didn't match. For instance, her surname is Minnetoga. Where does that originate from. I see in the 1800s there were a few people with Minnetoga, Minatoga, or Minnetonka surname in Oklahoma and Minnesota. There were Dakota who lived near Minnetoga, Minnesota (I think is the connection I remember) - could that mean anything. This is grasping at straws, but to find sources about people with the Minnetoga surname - and put info in a note - is my best thought at the moment.
Thanks for giving me a bit of time to work on this and get it closer to a workable article. I think that an article is warranted, but it would be fine to trim it down. There was a LOT of how she lived, what she said, etc. content. I appreciate your patience and suggestions for getting to a better place.–CaroleHenson (talk) 08:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , I see you took the  message off, which I take to mean - "scram". Go for it.–CaroleHenson (talk) 08:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , As an FYI, I just recently starting cleaning up the article from here. I said at the top of this talk page that this was still a work in progress. I am guessing this all just got off to a bad start between us. I will admit I was really flustered.–CaroleHenson (talk) 08:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article clean-up and coming to a solution for the mother's heritage 

message: Regarding, these edits,  found the place of birth in the 1900 Federal census. So, I added the 1900 census info. And brought back that she lived with grandmother in Atlantic City - and the info about Allen being her father at birth for context (otherwise his biographical info right after her birth doesn't make sense) - and removed that Lilly lived with Allen and his wife (which he didn't have, he was a bachelor) - brought back that Lilly went to a boarding school, where she lived.–CaroleHenson (talk) 11:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I am adding more citations about going to boarding school, living with grandmother, etc. I didn't add more about Minoka being told her mother was Mohawk, as there are already three sources.–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: There's a lot of conversation here, but I think that all we are left with for discussion are:
* #Mohawk - please see the latest updates - 
* #Second Native American woman ... - , see that section for the reasons.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Update above.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Update above.–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Close out the issues? 

message: I added a note at the top of the article. There's a lot more that can be said about it, but I think NARF's explanation of a "Native American" is good - and leads into the discussion about Mohawk membership.
Feel free to add, change, etc. I think a doctoral thesis could be written about what it means to be Native American. There could be a better source than NARF.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the Office of Tribal Justice of the DOJ information here.–CaroleHenson (talk) 13:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of Native American and Mohawk member