Talk:Traction control system

message: 216.132.251.37 18:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

message: what was the first bmw to have this?
and do all >2000 bmw's have it?
--72.139.114.66 00:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Queries

message: Does anyone know enough to add rail applications? Talltim (talk) 16:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not just a road vehicle thing 

message: Traction Control Systems do NOT work when cornering.  TCS/ASR merely monitor the difference in rotational road wheel speed between driven axles compared to non-driven axles.  "Cross axle" monitoring is sometimes called "Electronic Differential Lock" or EDL, and may be an addition to TCS, but is not a standard component (or design function) of TCS. -- Teutonic_Tamer (talk to Teutonic_Tamer) 07:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Rubbish. TCS senses diferential wheel rotational acceleration across the axle, and suppresses it. If your company charges extra for that, fine, but other companies don't. Hopefully they will drive yours out of business.Greg Locock (talk) 09:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Greg. I have driven a vehicle with TCS that did NOT have brake intervention or any sort of yaw-sensor and it would kick in when only ONE drive wheel spun. While it was unable to alter the left/right torque split and had to reduce power to both drive wheels, it DID work when cornering. Or are you merely bad with words? Jervinator (talk) 09:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed sections 

message: It seems that a lot of the discussion is between these two systems
It looks as though ASR and TC are slightly different things.
ASR to the layman would probably mean a specific function of TC eg 4X4 at low speeds in mud/sand/ice etc and your average family car in snow/ice/mud, whereas TC in cars is a more general term which would include any system using high speed control for high end cars such as Ferraris and F1 cars at higher speeds under hard acceleration.
My Alfa has ASR and it is front wheel drive, if driven hard on a roundabout in the rain, the wheels will spin up and ASR light flicker on and off. Without ASR it is unlikely that the wheels will spin up under acceleration unless from a standng start. The Ferrari I drive (occasionally) has ASR and without ASR it will spin up in the dry at 60mph on that same roundabout under hard acceleration.
I would say that although labelled ASR that is more TC
There is also the fact that this article may be edited in future to include trains, bulldozers and anything else that uses traction control.
I suggest either new sub sections or new articles for ASR and for TC in F1/Motorsport and division of the various TC for this article into "Examples of TC"
I believe that the Wiki guide is for "generally accepted terms" and in this case it would mostly be how the general public view these things which should determine how the whole article is handled, not necessarily needing these arguments to define exactly which one is the winner
Perhaps this is where the arguments are occuring and maybe a fix is to separate these in some way...Chaosdruid (talk) 19:09, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hmmmm - TC and ASR 

message: for On-road vehicles; Does traction control reduce engine braking if RPMs are high, by injecting more gas into the cylinders? As you know, aggressive engine braking on slippery surfaces can result in wheel slip on the drive wheels. Will the traction control system increase gas to reduce wheel slip?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.76.47.120 (talk) 04:15, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: no Greglocock (talk) 10:39, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traction control and engine braking