Talk:Patrician Brothers' College, Fairfield

message: I tagged this for cleanup because of the assorted obvious vandalism to the sidebar, the school song, and the list of notable alums. Unfortunately, it's not a simple revert, as people have done useful work in the meantime. William Pietri 18:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup needed 

message: Although there are no entries for the other Sydney colleges (Ryde, Granville, Blacktown, Forest Lodge) I think the article should be retited to Patrician Brothers' College Fairfield.
Decur 06:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Pats fairfield logo.jpg

message: I have removed two sections from the article. Section 1 lists every head boy at the school and Section 2 lists the leadership of the school for 2007-2008. Section 1 is deleted purely because its non-notable, you may wish to ask yourself Who was the head boy at Patrician Brothers College, Fairfield in 1984?, the answer you will find is no-one cares. Section 2 is deleted for being unencylopedic, it may also be a bit of recentism. Twenty Years 13:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems like a reasonable concern. I'd note that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and Wikipedia is not a directory also precludes this kind of list information going into an article. The former says in part: Long and sprawling lists of statistics may be confusing to readers and reduce the readability and neatness of our articles. In addition, articles should contain sufficient explanatory text to put statistics within the article in their proper context for a general reader. Orderinchaos 14:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is not a place for self promotion (see WP:SOAP). Please also see WP:SCH#WNTI, "School articles should specifically not include: Lists of current teachers, pupils, administrative staff, school secretaries, etc", and WP:DIRECTORY. Please remember to sign your comments Zebra91. Loopla (talk) 07:05, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Lists of students are not encyclopedic and don't belong here unless the students are notable outside the school.  If students' names are continually added the page can be easily protected from edits. ... discospinster talk 18:02, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Nobody is "playing administrator", since administrators do not have any more right to edit a page than "regular" editors.  Furthermore, whether someone was or is a member of the College does not give them any more right to determine what goes on the page.  Wikipedia has guidelines and policies that have been put in place by consensus.  The guideline for schools is that lists of students do not belong in the article unless the students are notable outside the school.  If you have an issue with that, then you can bring it up on the Wikiproject Schools talk page. ... discospinster talk 03:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As this seems to be going no where, I've filed an alert here. I hope this can be resolved. Loopla (talk) 11:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I came across the alert over at Wikiquette.  As someone who regularly edits articles about schools, I have to say that I agree that this list of students really does not belong.  I know that in the here and now, these people have the feel of being important, but in the long term scope of what consists of encyclopedic material.  In my opinion:  if the school were open 100 years from now, and one wanted to find information about the school, would this information be important to an outsider?  I think the answer is no.  Wikipedia should not be used as this school's website.  The school might wish to list this information as it is of import to the school community.  I don't mean for you to take this personally, but this really does not belong. LonelyBeacon (talk) 14:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Students 

message: As the edit warring over the list shows no sign of abating, I have protected the article for now. Orderinchaos 07:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: :I think theres a good way all parties can be satisfied here. We remove the actual list from the article, but we add a link to the page listing the past captains of the college in the "External links" section of the article. So basically, the content is still there, and everyone is happy. What do you guys think. Twenty Years 08:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that is a good compromise, so yes, I support that idea. Loopla (talk) 08:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Ive contacted several of the involved parties and we have received no response here. I will be WP:BOLD and go ahead with the move. Will open this discussion again should the issue flare up. Thanks. Twenty Years 08:05, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot find the page link. Until someone can find it, it cant be added to the article. Thanks. Twenty Years 08:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I had a look too and couldn't find anything. So I guess it stays as is. Loopla (talk) 08:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

text: "Everyone's standard" implies consensus, which is generally how Wikipedia works, and a helpful guide to "consensus" is past or common practice on similar pages elsewhere in Wikipedia, which is also reflected in Wikipedia guidelines and policies (eg. WP:N).  Wikipedians can't influence content that appears in external websites (eg. school websites containing long lists of students), but through consensus can influence what appears in Wikipedia articles. Murtoa (talk) 22:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: Wikipedia articles should be restricted to information which is notable.  It is not intended to substitute for or mimic information that would logically be found on the school's website.  For this reason, I have deleted the long list of all of the buildings and facilities that would be expected to be found in any similar school.  It is not notable for example to describe that the facilities include Year 8 Block, College Ovals, Year 7 Block, Tennis courts , Canteen facilities , Car Park and so on.  This is not notable (or even helpful) information.  If there are any notable facilities, eg. unique or novel buildings, or buildings of a historic or otherwise notable nature, then these should be included.  I encourage editors to look at school articles that have reached a B class rating.  Murtoa (talk) 10:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Facilities 

message: By any reasonable measure there is an undue amount of minutiae which I have edited. This event occupies undue prominence in the history of the school overall.  How the organising committee came about and a description of the catering etc is not notable. Murtoa (talk) 10:22, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WYD Cross & Icon 

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