Talk:Spanish naming customs

message: The article already has some information about popular surnames, does anyone know what the most popular first names are in Spain? Blankfrackis 16:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Most Popular First Names

message: I thought this article is named "Spanish naming customs" not Portuguese, Filipino or Spanish-speaking countries naming customs. I suggest to move information related to Portugal and Philippines to its respectives articles. And create an article to each country in Latin American or name this article "Spanish speaking countries name costums" instead of "Spanish naming customs". If we choose the second option I suggest to create clearly and separated sections to each Spanish-speaking country, now everything is mixed and is impossible to understand anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.239.245 (talk • contribs) 
:Portuguese? Where do you find information about Portuguese naming customs in this article? That information is at Portuguese name. The Ogre 20:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is this article full of information about Portuguese, Filipino or LatinAmerican naming costums?

message: Where did the "ez" or '"es" on the end of Spanish surnames come from?  How does "ez" or "es" on the end of a name mean "son of"?  I would like to see this addressed.  Is it from the Visigoths, somehow from Latin, or what?
: The ez/es is very old and probably anterior to the separation of current Ibero-Romance languages. One theory claims that in Castilian, the final "ez" (originally pronounced "es") was a shortened version of "-esco", which is still used and means "like" or "belonging to". Therefore, the son of García would be "Garcesco", shortened as "Garcés"; the son of Lope would "Lopesco", then "Lópes/López"; etc.--Menah the Great 11:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not actually nominating it for deletion.  Just mentioned that it might be perceived as a potential nominee (though I won't be nominating it).  Moncrief 18:06, May 19, 2004 (UTC)
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Removed Erich Maria Remarque reference, because it is a nom de plume, not a real name, thus it had no contextual relevance (as supposed evidence of non-Iberian cultures using the 'Maria' naming convention)....
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Jmabel: Now, which one is the "second surname"? The father's or the mother's?
 Sanders muc 18:44, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

text: The mother's. Llull 19:21, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

text: What I tried to say here is that 1 - the surnames never are changed. Never. After and before the marriage are used the same surnames (in the text there is an estrange interchange). 2 - And the "i" only separate the two surnames without more implication (of course, if you want to abbreviate and say only one surname you only will say name + 1rst surname without "i"). Llull 05:43, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. I'll correct what I wrote. Glad I asked. -- Jmabel 06:49, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Old

message: Isn't very common in Brazil to go by nickname? (anonymously asked by the person who added the eo: link)
:It's common everywhere.  In the U.S., Robert might go by Bob and William might be called Bubba.  It's not a Brazilian phenomenon. (BTW, I am Portuguese-American and have only my given name and my family (i.e., paternal) names). User:Nricardo|--Nelson Ricardo  >>Talk<< 15:45, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)
::That's because you have an American name (even if of Portuguese origin). Velho 03:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zé Brasileiro 

message: How did Francisco morph into paco?--Jondel 08:32, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Paco

message: "Nowadays, fewer women adopt, even officially, their husbands' names. … It has become increasingly common for women to adopt their husband's name officially, but not to use it neither in their professional nor informal life." So which is it? "fewer…" or "increasingly common…"? And given that this is apparently a matter of controversy, does anyone have a citation? -- Jmabel | Talk 18:57, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess there is no contradiction. Fewer women adopt it, even oficially, but the ratio between (those who adopt it oficially but not informally) and (those who adopt it oficially and informally) is getting bigger. Velho 18:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've reworded to make the relation between the concepts clearer. - Jmabel | Talk 05:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portuguese married women: contradiction 

message: How would double surnames affect listings in the telephone directory?  If my father's name is Brown and my mother's name is Piekarski, would I be listed under B ("Brown Piekarski Andrew"), or under P ("Piekarski Andrew Brown").  And how would the surname be distinguished - would a comma be used?
("Brown Piekarski, Andrew") ("Piekarski, Andrew Brown")
GBC 02:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which way in the telephone directory? 

message: Please consider contributing to the discussion about the renaming of this page.  Some editors are of the opinion that all titles should be translated into their English form.  I am of the opinion that we should follow the Wiki convention of using the form of name most commonly used in English books (which may or may not translate the title depending upon the individual). Noel S McFerran 02:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[José Moñino y Redondo, conde de Floridablanca]]

message: The current text in this section is prescriptive and, more or less therefore, PoV. It is also pseudo-aristocratic rubbish. Vague notions such as recent must also disappear. It should all be deleted. Moreover, every information is missing (for instance, what about dos? What about the omission of de when people are using only their last name?). Velho 03:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The particle 'de' in Portuguese names 

message: Why is the alinea -y- not translated? (i would do it but i'm not excactly about one sentence as I speak Spanish not that fluently.
:Translated, but would appreciate someone looking it over, as my Spanish is a bit rusty. Violncello 02:15, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: y

message: The following was removed with the comment "here is not a 'Catalan naming systems'. Catalans use either the French system (in Rousillon), establish in the Napoleonic Code, or the Spanish system of Castillian origin, consisting on two surnames."
:Catalan has very similar conventions to Spanish, except that a person's two surnames are usually separated by "i" ("and"). A real-world example would be the current (as of 2004) president of the Generalitat de Catalunya, Pasqual Maragall i Mira. Others are more commonly known only by a single last name; his predecessor is generally referred to simply as "Jordi Pujol", but is more properly "Jordi Pujol i Soley".
Catalans in Rousillon and other formerly Catalan territories in France do, indeed, use the French system. However, this is an article on Iberian naming customs, and Iberia ends at the Pyrenees. The point of this is that Catalan names, while they follow a pattern similar to the Castillian pattern are a bit different (y is relatively uncommon for Spanish-speakers, i is quite common for Catalans). I believe this belongs in the article. I'll refrain from being the next to reinsert it again, but I hope that if some third party does reinsert it, the anonymous editor who removed it will show similar restraint. - Jmabel | Talk 04:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catalunya 

message: "es" is used in Portugal like "ez" in Spain. For example Fernandes (son of Fernando), Henriques (son of Henrique),etc..., however, there is no mention of such in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.137.17.209 (talk • contribs) 25 July 2006.
:Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make whatever changes you feel are needed.  Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. You don't even need to log in! (Although there are some reasons why you might like to…) The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome. - Jmabel | Talk 18:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "es" 

message: The recently added link to http://www.baby*hold.com/list/Spanish_Baby_Names/ seems to me a bit unencyclopedic. It looks like your basic "what to name the baby" site. It's probably right on the original meanings of most names, but it's a bit of a grab bag, doesn't cite sources, and looks like a site that (although it has few ads at present) is built to become a profitable commercial site. - Jmabel | Talk 03:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: I was intending to write something about fancy names.
For some reason, I find that Canarians and Cubans often give their children (especially daughters) fanciful names from exotic cultures (that's clearly the case with Russian names in Cuba).
I read somewhere that that is also the case among the lower class of some country I forgot, where names compensate what posessions lack.
Then I noticed that it was going to end quite unfounded and fuzzy.
Could somebody write about fancy names in a manner that suits this nice article?
--Error 00:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fancy first names

message: I have been thinking for years about a section on Basque names.
While it gets done, I note this:
The longest Spanish surname recorded is Burionagonatotorecagageazcoechea sported by an employee at the Ministry of Finances in Madrid in 1867. Enciclopedia de los nombres propios, Josep M. Albaigès, Editorial Planeta, 1995,  .
--Error 00:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Basque names

message: I am cutting In these countries, it is very frequent that children get two surnames from each of their parents, thus having usually the last surname of each of their grandparents.
In which countries? not in Spain for sure and, if Latin America is meant, I don't think this is very frequent but occasional. Mountolive | Talk 01:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cutting obscure statement

message: It seems to me that we have here two articles that are intertwined, with a resulting lack of clarity.  In part, we have what happens in the various languages and dialects of Spain, and in part we have the customs of Sapnish speaking countries in South America.  There is, of course, a considerable overlap, but the mixture of the two makes things unclear: where, for example, is in not permitted to give the name Lucifer? I have met Ecuadorians named Satán.
Although it has in general been cleaned up we still have “examples” from Mexico and Colombia. Surely either statements should be ilustrated with examples from Spain or not at all? PhilomenaO'M (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 19:46, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming customs in Spain,or Naming customs in the Spanish language? 

message: It's an interesting article, but I would suggest to make it more visually explicit for non-Hispanic readers by using small caps with template  to disambiguate names, especially when discussing the ambiguous ones. For instance, to update a sentence such as:
: Examples of confusion when "y" is not used in such a case are the football player Martín Vázquez, whose full name is Rafael Martín Vázquez but who is believed by many fans to have Martín as his forename, and the linguist Fernando Lázaro Carreter, who was sometimes addressed (to his annoyance) as Don Lázaro.
To the same with :
: Examples of confusion when "y" is not used in such a case are the football player , whose full name is Rafael  but who is believed by many fans to have Martín as his forename, and the linguist Fernando , who was sometimes addressed (to his annoyance) as Don Lázaro.
Etc. — Komusou talk @ 05:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small caps disambiguation 

message: Hi. When an author of a Spanish speaking country make a work for a journal or another publication in English, usually his/her surnames are written as a single surname. I. e. : María Cárdenas Ulloa is converted into María Cárdenas-Ulloa to avoid being named Mrs. Ulloa... Bye. 200.2.119.115 (talk) 12:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish surnames in works written in English 

message: A discussion is under way here on how to style Spanish surnames after the lead sentence of biographies. The outcome is likely to become Wikipedia policy. Interested editors are invited to comment. Unconventional (talk) 16:24, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish surname policy discussion 

message: Can someone expand that section, please? It's extremely interesting... --necronudist (talk) 14:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other languages in Spain 

message: I'm very tired of correcting the same wrong information:
1. There are separated sections for Argentina and Spain and people keep mixing everything writing information related to Argentina in Spain's section and viceversa.
2. The form "maiden name + de + husband name" is added again and again in Spain's section, when the truth is that this form has never been used in Spain neither historically nor currently.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.109.49.226 (talk) 17:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Your 2nd statement is rather inaccurate. In Spain as in many other countries using a surname system of Spanish origin, there has been the (historically and even currently) unofficial custom to put the husband's 1st surname after his wife's 1st surname after the particle 'de'. A well-known example: CARMEN POLO de FRANCO (officialy named Carmen POLO MARTÍNEZ-VALDÉS), Francisco FRANCO BAHAMONDE's wife whose 1st surname was Polo but whose official 2nd surname was not de FRANCO at all, but her husband's 1st one. Heathmoor (talk) 15:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  In Spain is not custom neither legal, not historically neither currently. Carmen Polo was mostly known and referred as "Carmen Polo", it could be possible that sometimes she could be referred as "Camen Polo de Franco", but only because she was the Caudillo's wife a very exceptional condition (between all the Spanish women living or dead, only has been ONE Franco's wife). De + maiden name form is true in some of the Spanish former colonies.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.109.48.212 (talk) 00:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong information is added or recovered  again and again in this article 

message: What does "middle name doesn't exist in Spain" mean?  If you have more than one surname, then you have a "middle name."  I'm Spanish, and, having two names before my surname, I always thought I had a middle name.  Imagine my surprise!  So what is my second name?  A "surprise" name?  A "hidden" name?  A "trinket" name?74.239.2.104 (talk) 16:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be confusing to you because you're Spanish :-) but in Britain, "middle name" usually refers unambiguously to the second given name (if any), and to nothing else.  I think what the writer is trying to say is that Spaniards don't have a second given name, 'José María',  'José Miguel' etc. each being one given name.  If this is wrong, then I guess the article is wrong. Paul Magnussen (talk) 19:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But middle names do exist in Spanish, following your British definition, regardless of compound names. Indeed, middle names used to be also compound names until the XIXth Century. In Latin America (offtopic) middle name is the rule. In Spain, however, they do exist. So the article is wrong. Salut, --IANVS (talk) 19:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle Name 

message: "Perpignan" is the french way to write "Perpinyà" which is the catalan one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.221.105.27 (talk) 21:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perpignan (in catalan names) 

message: The article was quite clear a few time ago, now everything is mixed again, with Spanish customs in the latinamerican section, and latinamerican customs in the spanish section ... The biggest mistake is trying to write the article like if there were a pattern for all the spanish-speaking countries when each country has its naming system. I'll try clear up all this.
:I agree. Even more, this article should reflect the spanish names, and that means the names of the people living in Spain. Not South America, not Philippines, just Spain.--Infinauta (talk) 08:17, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This article can be narrowed down to cover just Spain as long as other articles are created to cover Latin America. --Jotamar (talk) 14:13, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Soon, I will put my hands on work to fix this.--Infinauta (talk) 14:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The title of the article is ambiguous: it could mean naming customs in the Spanish language or naming customs in the country of Spain. I clicked on this article because I thought it would cover naming conventions in Mexico. The best way to eliminate extraneous information, such as Latin American customs, is to make the article title unambiguous. hunterhogan 22:28, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Possible name change for the article "Spain's naming customs" hunterhogan 22:40, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps Naming customs in Spain. --Jotamar (talk) 17:35, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning up this mess

message: I removed Heredia as Basque surname.
The Diccionario de apellidos españoles, Espasa, lists Heredia as coming from Heredia in Álava, but the root is Latin heredium, "inherited estate".
--Error (talk) 18:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heredia 

message: "Paternal surname transmission was not always the norm — before the mid-eighteenth century, the (current) name-paternal–maternal-surnames custom developed since then."
Presumably someone knows what this means to say. Can you clean this up? There is a dash, but no second dash to resume the original thought (perhaps this should be a colon)? And the relation between "before" and "since then" is quite unclear. - Jmabel | Talk 21:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unparsable sentence 

message: Since Spanish does not have the maiden name concept, it would seem it is impossible to say 'Mr & Mrs Martínez', and that the wife of José Martínez may never be addresed as Sra. Martínez.  Is this correct?  It would be useful if the article specified how to handle these cases. Paul Magnussen (talk) 19:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Both forms are actually used, informally, though it is common for women to keep their maiden names. Another variant is to adress married women as "Sra. de Martínez", for example. Salut, --IANVS (talk) 19:29, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

text: That's precisely what I was answering to the previous poster. It is just that I don't know in detail the current vs. outdated styles in Spain (vs. other spanish-speaking regions). Salut, --IANVS (talk) 17:19, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also Sres. Martínez-López, joining both paternal surnames. --Error (talk) 23:55, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addressing married woman 

message: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roxy:Pkid (talk • contribs) 
:Please take your request to WP:RFPP with a proper justification for why you think the article needs protection. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:06, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  protect 

message: Am I alone in thinking that this article ought to mention Spanish-speaking countries in South and North America and no doubt elsewhere.  The article on Juan Diego Flórez starts by saying that his name is Spanish.  Well, it's a Spanish-language name, but he is Peruvian.  I'm no expert on these matters, but could someone who knows more than I do make some appropriate alterations to the article to cover countries that aren't Spain. --GuillaumeTell 15:16, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to my memory that there already is one that deals with Latin America. However, you could start another section called that and properly source it with WP:V facts. ----moreno oso (talk) 15:21, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You should check Ibero-American naming customs. --Jotamar (talk) 23:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If the two articles are very alike (I haven't read them in full, from what I recall), they should be merged. I can hardly imagine that the naming systems of Hispanic America and/or Iberoamerica and/or Latin America and Spain are so mutually different as to justify there being two separate articles. SamEV (talk) 23:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact the original article was split, because the subtle differences between Spain and Latin America required a rather convoluted wording. --Jotamar (talk) 01:41, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think there are differences, kind of like the difference between the King's English and American English. ----moreno oso (talk) 01:44, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus, American Spanish is taking on some of the characteristics of the American language. Letters that don't exist in Spanish are being used. What would be the last name isn't always the last name. And, phonetics isn't being followed either. ----moreno oso (talk) 01:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a spinoff? Well I did not know that. In that case, carry on, gentlemen. SamEV (talk) 04:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin America 

message: Is it really necessary to "translate" (names don't actually translate, but that's another matter) names in this? eg
* "Carlos Arturo del Monte (Charles Arthur of the Mountain)"
I can kind of see the point to mention in the appropriate section that María and José are the spanish names of the parents of Jesus, and the conjuctions "y", "de" etc need to be explained, but don't feel it adds anything to provide the English versions of every name (apart from a lot of brackets (like these) which can be annoying and detract from legibility.   pablohablo. 09:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the translations are not necessary (except in the situations you mentioned), nor a welcome touch. What purpose other than a trivial one do they serve? They should be removed. SamEV (talk) 02:01, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur, translations are not needed. ----moreno oso (talk) 04:47, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation of names 

message: I think it would be interesting to add in this section that in this language is quite common to call almost any name by adding txu (pronounced chu). Aitortxu (Aitor), for example. --Dandublin93 (talk) 22:55, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basque names 

message: The article lacks information I hoped to find here, and I'll be working on filling the gaps when I can provide reliable sources - unless someone else does it first, which would be fine with me.
The particle "de" in married women's surnames. I see this has gone back and forth and was debated above, so I'll leave it alone. Whoever deleted the information is making a mistake; if you disagree that "de" precedes the husband's surname you do readers a disservice by deleting that statement instead of including your dissent in the article so they can decide for themselves. I lived in Spain in the Franco era and know that the dictator's wife was commonly referred to in the press and in conversation as Carmen Polo de Franco, a pattern used by married women I knew.
Etymology and evolution of patronymic suffix "-ez." The article describes how patronymics ending in "-ez" relate to the given names they include but omits two important pieces of information: (1) What is the etymology of "-ez" itself, since it has no obvious Spanish root? and (2) How did these patronymics change into inherited surnames? In a graduate linguistics course decades ago I was told that the origin of "-ez" is debated but that it is possibly of Basque origin, and a Web search turns up discussions of the Basque surname Armendáriz that repeat this assertion, but I'll keep looking for documentation. Patronymics in most western European languages became fixed at some point as inherited surnames and Spanish is no exception, but the article might lead an uninformed reader to think that they are still being actively formed. Rather that risk the dreaded "citation needed" reproof from the Wiki gods I'll look for documentation before doing any editing.
Jewish surnames. The article covers a number of special cases such as naturalized foreigners and Flamenco musicians, and it is an odd omission that it is silent on Sephardic Jewish surnames. This is a large topic that has an entire Wikipedia category devoted to it. I'll try to add a brief section and also a "See Also" entry, both pointing to the Wikipedia category.
Foundlings. A well-known example would help this section: the early picaresque novel Lazarillo de Tormes, whose eponymous hero's status as an abandoned infant, presumably a bastard, was comically obvious to the book's contemporary readers from the fact that the noble-sounding "de" precedes the name of a river, not of a place. This will be easy to document.
As I said, if you can add these items with documentation, go ahead. Billfalls (talk) 19:27, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaps in the article 

message: At least not originally. Not before José Ignacio López de Arriortúa ("Superlópez")  was born in 1941.  López is the father's surname, and Arriortua the mother's. It's like Alberto Ruiz-Gallardón Jiménez, whose father was surnamed Ruiz Gallardón and his grandfather Ruiz Albéniz (a.k.a. "El Tebib Arrumi", "The Christian Doctor" in North African Arab, his nickname as war correspondent).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 13:23, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  López de Arriortúa is not a composite surname 

message: I noted three months back to a couple of IPA pronunciation expert editors that :Category:Wikipedia_Manual_of_Style_(regional) has:
* Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Canada-related articles Shortcuts: WP:CSG WP:CANSTYLE WP:MOSCAN MOS:CA
* Wikipedia:Manual of Style/China-related articles Shortcuts: MOS:CHINESE WP:MOS-ZH WP:MOSCHINA
* Wikipedia:Manual of Style/France & French-related Shortcuts: WP:MOS-FR WP:FRMOS
* Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Hawaii-related articles Shortcut: MOS:HAWAII
* Wikipedia:Manual of Style/India-related articles Shortcut: WP:MOSIN
* Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Ireland-related articles Shortcuts: WP:IMOS WP:MOS-IE
* Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles Shortcuts: WP:MOS-JA WP:MJ MOS:JAPAN
* Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Korea-related articles Shortcuts: MOS:KO WP:MOS-KO WP:MOSKOREA
* Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Philippine-related articles Shortcut: WP:MOSPHIL
* Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Poland-related articles Shortcut: WP:MOSPOL
* Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Singapore-related articles Shortcut: WP:MOSSG
but not:
* Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Spain & Spanish-related Shortcuts: WP:MOS-ES
:
:Is there really nothing at all that could benefit by giving guidance? For instance:
# Like when to use a Catalan place name, when to use a Spanish one?
# Like whether to use accents on capitals, like Oscar or Óscar? 
# IPA pronunciation?
# Spelling between Iberian and American varieties of Spanish?
# How to treat Quechua (Runa Simi) and other articles?
# and so on?
In ictu oculi (talk) 07:44, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish MOS Needed?

message: Can Spanish naming customs be considered a branch of Latin naming customs? I know there have been Portuguese and Italian names with similar customs to Spanish ones. Look at Pele, real name Edson Arantes do Nascimento.Hitmonchan (talk) 18:35, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you please specify what similarities there are? Jotamar (talk) 13:51, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Spanish and Portuguese naming customs use both the father and mother's surnames: first the father and then the mother. Pele, Kaka, Neymar (yes, football players but they're the best examples of Portuguese names I can think of with the exception of their nicknames.) Hitmonchan (talk) 18:50, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Portuguese personal names have first the mother's surname, then the father's one; opposite order to Spanish names. Italian names have just one surname. I really don't see any latin thing around. --Jotamar (talk) 16:05, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

text: They're ALL rooted from the Latin language. *sigh* I assumed that was the case, but never mind.Hitmonchan (talk) 07:21, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding this article 

message: The wording of the article suggests that Ma is an abbreviation for Maria when used in a masculine name, but this is not correct. I have been corresponding with a woman who signs documents as Ma Felisa [last name redacted]. Going by the in the article, I would think that she is male (and I almost made that mistake). Not sure if the problem is a citation or wording issue, but I called out in the article as needing a citation, so readers would take that statement with caution. KLP (talk) 14:48, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not see a problem with the wording of the article. It doesn't say only males use the abbreviations. It says that males who do have Maria as as a name will often abbreviate it (in one of three ways.) WikiParker (talk) 21:00, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the lack of a Spanish keyboard is the source of the problem. Ma is not an abbreviation for María, instead a little elevated a is used. Thus, María abreviation is Mª not "Ma". Note this: Mª is only used in compund names Mª Isabel (= María Isabel 'Marie Elizabeth'), Mª Carmen (= MariCarmen or María del Carmen) --Davius (talk) 17:02, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ma for Maria as a masculine 

message: In Argentina the vast majority of people only have one family name. I've noticed someone has been adding the "Spanish naming customs" note that links to this page to the Wikipedia entry for several Argentine people, such as football players. It seems this person is going out of his/her way to find the maternal last name and add it to the person's name; when in reality that surname wouldn't even appear on their passport. I'm not familiar enough with Wikipedia to track the users that do that and tell them to stop, but I assume they frequent this page. So if you happen to read this, please stop spreading misinformation. Thanks! --157.139.20.254 (talk) 19:33, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Argentine naming customs

message: Obviously, this article lists dozens of examples of Spanish-language names. The problem is that some of the names are italicized and other names are lack italics. The convention is to use italics on foreign language words, but that is almost irrelevant. More important is to consistently style the names. To a reader, if one name is italicized and another name lacks italics, that signals an inherent difference between the names. Since there is no difference, the inconsistency is confusing. I do not have a preference or suggestion for the italics--other than consistency. hunterhogan 22:37, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent use of italics 

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message: Hi, would there be any consensus to:
* move the massive list under "Spanish hypocoristics and nicknames" to its own article
* link to the articles of nicknames for which articles exist
Thanks! Dr. Vogel (talk) 16:34, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  move long list and link to nicknames that have articles 

message: Listing both surnames alphabetically is done in Mexico in the case of telephone directories. I have seen the one of Acapulco and others. Peter Horn User talk 17:20, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That can be relevant for Naming customs of Hispanic America, not for this page. --Jotamar (talk) 18:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listing both surnames alphabetically 

message: Suppose a man named "López Something" marries a woman named "López Something-else". (They are not related, López is a common surname.) Will their child have the surname "López López"? 2001:16B8:DE:DA00:7D8D:A0FF:6422:7089 (talk) 19:44, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. --Jotamar (talk) 20:08, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happens if the surname of the father and the mother begin similarly?