Talk:Qin dynasty

message: The current Qin Dynasty tree is incredibly bare bones, it doesn't help that the Imperial tree and the Kings of Qin tree exist but lack information shown in the other.
May I propose we merge/duplicate (at least some of) the information from one tree to the other (I recommend the Qin Dynasty page here, given that it's focused on this specific family, while the Kings of Qin tree only exists on a page compiling several families), and the use of colour to highlight which individuals were emperors and which were kings. It would also allow us to include a note about Ziying's possible alternate positions in the tree that would actually make sense, as the individuals related to him in other positions would then be present.
Qin Shi Huang has a father King Zhuangxiang of Qin and a paternal half-brother Chengjiao.
Qin Shi Huang's grandfather King Xiaowen is noted in the Family tree of Chinese monarchs (Warring States period) as having "~20 other sons" (although his page doesn't mention this, I'm not sure if a source for this claim exists, and the listing of "Prince Xi" on that tree links presumably incorrectly to a Qing Dynasty title, not a Qin Dynasty one).
Qin Shi Huang's great grandfather King Zhaoxiang of Qin was apparently instrumental in setting the Qin dynasty on a path to uniting China, so is perhaps a sensible start to this tree if we want to keep it concise. King Zhaoxiang had the sons King Xiaowen of Qin and the Crown Prince of Dao as well as a daughter ("who married King Kaolie of Chu (278–238 BC) in 271 BC, and had issue (Lord Changping)".
King Zhaoxiang's father, King Huiwen of Qin was someone more prolific, having 10 sons and at least one daughter who married King Yi of Yan, hes the first that seems to refer to himself as a King of Qin, prior rulers taking the title "Duke", thus being another key point one could cut off a larger tree at if wanted.
Also, on the existing tree, what does the "1" above Fusu and the "18 or 25 (disputed)" above Qin Er Shi mean? There's no explanation anywhere on any of the pages for this. 5.151.23.56 (talk) 11:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  More complete family tree??? 

message: I've seen a lot of recent back and forth about whether to have this parameter in the infobox due to some military action by Zhao Tuo, who later rebelled anyway. I think given the small geographical area and brief duration of control, it makes sense to leave Vietnam out of the infobox. We can discuss it in some subsection if it's really important for encyclopaedic understanding, but putting it in the infobox seems unnecessary. Folly Mox (talk) 17:37, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Today part of: Vietnam" in infobox  

message: I could certainly dig through the history to look for salvageable material, but what the heck is 
Borthwick, Mark (2006). Pacific Century: The Emergence of Modern Pacific Asia. Westview Press. ISBN 978-0-8133-4355-6. FourLights (talk) 14:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  More nonsense 

message: The paragraph under "Penal policy" has sentences which are grammatically difficult or impossible to interpret, and may be fragments from two different sentences which have been wrongly conjoined by an insertion or deletion.  For example,
* "Only including penal law alongside li ritual, comparative model manuals in the Qin empire guided penal legal procedure and application based on real-life situations, with publicly named wrongs linked to punishments." Is this supposed to be "Comparative model manuals in the Qin empire guided penal legal procedure and application based on real-life situations, with publicly named wrongs linked to punishments. They included penal law alongside li ritual."?
* "The Qin often expelled criminals to the new colonies, or pardoned them in exchange for fines, labor, or one to several aristocratic ranks, even up to the death penalty."  What's that "or one to several aristocratic ranks" doing there?
It also joins sentences or clauses which don't go with each other. For example, in this paragraph the word "Regardless" implies a causal connection between the two sentences, but they aren't even on the same topic:
* "The Book of Lord Shang prophecies a future sage of "benevolence and righteous",[43] which the First Emperor declares himself to be.[44] Regardless, in the Qin and early Han, criminals may be given amnesties, and then only punished if they did it again.[45]"
In this sentence, there seems to be no logical connection between the two clauses, or even any way to interpret the first clause:
* "At the very least given Qin expansionism, penal law actually develops more in the Han dynasty."
Philgoetz (talk) 19:58, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Penal policy 

message: i would like this article nominated as a featured article. Minecraft812 (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Articles need to go through the process to become Good articles before they can become featured articles, with the former having less strict rules than the latter. Generally, only people who have contributed significantly to an article are recommended to nominate it, because they are those who are likely to be able to answer questions from and work with the reviewer. Check out the link above if you want to learn a little bit more about the criteria and nomination process. Remsense留 01:06, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

text: , the process is more involved than just proposing a nomination. You would have to shepherd the article through a thorough review by other editors, addressing all their concerns and ensuring the article meets the featured article criteria. I don't see that you've ever contributed to this article, but if you're interested in preparing it for a push towards FA, I'd suggest improving the sourcing to include information on the Qin legal system based on the discoveries at Liye, adding additional modern scholarship outside Lewis 2007 (I might suggest in particular Martin Kern's The Stone Drums of Qin), and clearing out inaccuracies, misleading statements, and the outdated last-century scholarship still rooted ultimately in the literature of the Han dynasty, with all its implicit and explicit biases. Folly Mox (talk) 10:41, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  nominate this article as a featured article 

message: I think wikipedia's template for chinese should be added for characters? It is confusing because traditional and simplified chinese are mixed. User999055 (talk) 04:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese character template should be added.