Talk:Richard Wright (footballer)

message: I propose switching Richard Wright's height in the infobox to feet and inches first:
*England uses feet and inches for height and Richard Wright is English.
*Wikipedia MOS guidelines for articles related to English people says to use feet and inches first. 
*The PFA Footballers' Who's Who 2010-11 (the English football player bible) gives his height as 6' 2" with no meters on page 445.
Please indicate if you disagree with this change. Speccy4Eyes (talk) 22:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, the official league and the source uses meter. QED237 (talk) 23:08, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The Premier League does not represent the players though, why should the player's English status be changed because what they do? The official Footballers' Who's Who bible produced by the Professional Footballers' Association which does represent the players, uses only feet and inches. Why do you want to go against those? And also you want to ignore Wikipedia MOS guidelines which says use feet and inches first for English people? Speccy4Eyes (talk) 23:20, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Leave it as it is. No change is needed. Michael Glass (talk) 04:27, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height in infobox 

message: We haven't seen any good reasons to defy WP:UNITS yet. 
WP:UNITS says: "the primary units for personal height and weight are feet/inches and stones/pounds" and "For situations in which the units used as primary in the article differ from the units given in the source, the  template's |order=flip flag can be used; this causes the original unit to be shown as secondary in the article, and the converted unit to be shown as primary".
The Premier League site does not reflect English usage. It is the only official English/Scottish/Welsh/NI football site that puts meters before feet and inches for height. Others like the FA, PFA, most of the clubs own sites and the Football league all give feet and inches first or feet and inches only. The PL site doesn't even give feet and inches which is bonkers for England and makes it totally unrepresentative and unsuitable. There is no reason at all to stick with it and definitely no reason to put meters first anyway.
For these reasons I see no reason to delay complying with WP:UNITS and putting feet and inches first. Can anyone give a valid reason to defy it? Speccy4Eyes (talk) 19:32, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is it such a big deal?  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:40, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I like things to be right. The rules say follow WP:UNITS and I see no reason not to. One editor seems to be trying to convert all English players to meters against the rules and preventing me fixing them. He even arranged for me to get a massive scary warning to stop me doing anything. I don't want sanctions but I want the players to have the right heights. Can you help me persude them please? Speccy4Eyes (talk) 19:56, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the heights will be "right" whether they're metric or Imperial, won't they?  It's really a trivial matter which one comes first.  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:59, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Its clearly not trivial, or why the sanctions thing and the BIG warning? If rules are worth writing then they are worth obeying. Would you dare go around all the USA games player articles and change all their heights to meters? Why not give the same respect to the English/Scots/Welsh/NI players? I'm trying to follow the rules, but those who wish to disobey them seem to be given the veto. Why is that? Can you help me now I've explained please? Speccy4Eyes (talk) 20:17, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, life's too short.  If the height is correct, I couldn't care less whether it's in ft and inches or metres.  It's utter trivial and expending so much energy on it doesn't benefit the encyclopedia one iota.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:20, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Has WP:UNITS been written to be ignored and with no benefit at all to the encyclopedia? Without it what shambles would we have? Is the intimidating warning on my page trivial? Are we going  to let the bullies have their own way and destroy the Wikipedia community? Did you join this discussion just to make a fool of me or what? Speccy4Eyes (talk) 21:37, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height units 

message: WP:UNITS requires that for UK related articles "the primary units for personal height and weight are feet​/inches and stones/​pounds". I propose to change this article to observe that requirement unless a good reason not follow the guideline can be given. Speccy4Eyes (talk) 17:02, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree, see sections above. Qed237 (talk) 19:49, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary units