Talk:Robin Hood

message: Please add him in the 'See also' list. He is a similar folk hero from Kerala Aravindunlimited (talk) 14:30, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 14:37, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kayamkulam Kochunni 

message: Is there any version of the narrative before Kevin Costner's film portrayal that makes RH a veteran of the Crusades? That's an interesting wrinkle for a post-vietnam audience, but the lede shouldn't suggest it was ever part of the traidtional story. 150.243.14.41 (talk) 15:04, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crusades? 

message: Robin Hood was born in the 16th century in Loxley, Sheffield but was known to live in the Sherwood forests in Nottingham.he was a talented outlaw and archer who stole from the rich and gave to the poor. he married maid Marian at st mary's church, Edwinstowe and had a group of me called his merry men. He was believed to die in West Yorkshire and his faithful comrade in arms, Little John promised to bury his body where it fell and to where he breathed his last breath. 86.174.180.35 (talk) 20:43, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 22:50, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2018 

message: This wiki article is a bit misleading in regard to the whole of the Robin Hood lore.  Additionally it rests quite a bit upon WP:NOR instead of what many historians have written as to the origin of Robin Hood's relatively new policy of stealing from the rich to give to the poor.
Matt Phillpott, a professor of historical research at the School of Advanced Study, University of London, writes a very simple question and answer: "When did Robin Hood start giving to the poor?"
:"One man in particular can be credited with drawing out this moral aspect to Robin’s tales.  That man is Joseph Ritson (1752-1803)."
Stephanie Barczewski, professor of history at Clemson University also points to Ritson:
:"Not surprisingly, Ritson issued his collection of Robin Hood ballads with a polemical introduction which used the legend as a vessel for expressing his political ideas."
Barczewski explains specifically which political ideal being expressed was Ritson's:
:"In response to the question of who gave Robin Hood a commission to rob from the rich and give to the poor, Ritson testily replied"
And then Barczewski quotes Ritson directly.  Ritson knew full well that this ideology was new and believed he was within reason to introduce it.  Finally, Professor Holt(quoted in the main body of the article) also points to Ritson: (Robin Hood, 1982, pp. 184, 185)
:With Parker, Robin's Gifts to the poor illustrate Christian charity and penitence for crime rather than any deliberately conceived social policy..... Ritson was different. Politically, in different circumstances a century and a half later, he went the other way, and transformed Robin into a social rebel."
Holt explicitly states that "This was imposed on the legend".  What Ritson wrote(which Barczewski quoted) is also important here.  Ritson admitted:
:"That same power which authorises kings to take it where it can be worst spared, and give it where it is least wanted."
So Ritson's point that Robin Hood steals from wealthy lords and vassals is important, as the serf population in feudal times were generally in a perpetual state of poverty.  This also goes back into why King John is the universal enemy along with his right hand man the Sheriff.  These all have an important context per Ritson himself.  The kings were redistributing wealth upward toward the king, but Ritson wanted wealth to be redistributed downward back to the serfs who were literally starving.  But the important point is this:
That Robin Hood robs from the rich and gives to the poor is now a long-standing tradition in the lore.  But since the historians are pointing to Joseph Ritson, then Wikipedia needs to also point to Joseph Ritson.  Anything previous to Ritson was nothing more than kindness to the victims of the king.  After Ritson, it's a calculated and politically charged social policy. Progressingamerica (talk) 15:04, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  From the rich to the poor 

message: I was reading the article, at notice that there is no mention of Robin Hood's marksmanship, except in the intro: "According to legend, he was a highly skilled archer..."
Looking through the archives, this issue has been brought up some time ago, but is yet unresolved.
Which legend is that? The modern intrepretation of Robin Hood has this as his foremost feature, yet nothing in the article support this claim.
We should have a source for that claim. Nwinther (talk) 09:55, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still no mention of Robin Hood's Marksmanship 

message: I've seen claims that this began with the Disney film (and furthermore that this represents an right-wing appropriation of the legend).  Is there any validity in this claim?  The article doesn't say when taxation and tax collectors became part of the story, just that it wasn't in the earliest versions. Iapetus (talk) 15:54, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The main antagonist was the Sheriff of Nottingham who was tasked with collecting taxes and seizing land of lords who did not pay. In fact Robin Hood, did not merely steal from "the rich" as Robin Hood was a landowning lord himself. He stole from the King and his cronies.Over time, if anything the "appropriation" you described came from the left-wing and distilled it down to merely rich v poor which has unfortunately watered down the Robin Hood story into a oversimplified marxist lens. Synthfreq (talk) 05:41, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did Robin Hood start targeting tax collectors / returning taxes to the people? 

message: I am frustrated at the lack of Robin Hood lists...
How many ballads, how many novels and short stories, how many serials, how many plays, how many comic book features? I see that there is an article about films, but how about the rest?
I am aware that it's hard to make definitive lists, Robin Hood is such an incommensurate topic, but still...T-man (talk) 22:57, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  LISTS 

message: The "Portrayed by" list is missing Jason Connery, who played Robin Hood in "Robin Of Sherwood" after Michael Praed left the show. 47.6.244.127 (talk) 13:56, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done NiciVampireHeart 18:13, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2019 

message: Robert de Thweng (c. 1205 – c. 1268) was a noble who rebelled against the church authorities in Yorkshire, England.[3]
Life
Robert de Thweng gained ownership of the Castle of Kilton through his marriage to Matilda, niece of Sir William de Kylton and widow of Richard de Autrey, in 1222.[4][5] He thus inherited a dispute with the Prior of Gisborough, concerning the advowson of the parish priest at Kirkleatham, particularly that the Prior had tried to gain control of the parish whilst Sir William was infirm.
Bold textWhen Robert had exhausted all the ecclesiastical routes of appeal, he turned to rebellion (around Easter 1232), and raided church properties, especially those belonging to foreign churchmen, under the sobriquet Will Wither (literally ‘William the Angry’), and he distributed the spoils to the poor.[5] He was excommunicated by the Papal Legate in England, Cardinal Otto.[4]Bold text
He was given support by the great northern Magnate families: Percy, Neville, Fitz-Randolph, de Vesci, de Maulay, de Menyll, de Roos and de Brus.[4]
He presented his case to Henry III of England[3] who, rather than punish him, gave him letters of recommendation to take to Pope Gregory IX.[4] The Pope ruled in his favour, bringing the rebellion of Will Wither to an end. Biographies suggest that the influence of Richard of Cornwall may have been decisive in this case.[5]
In 1240 Robert set out with Richard on Crusade, but he probably never reached The Holy Land, as he was despatched as an envoy to Frederick II.[5] In 1244 he was charged with assaulting the Archbishop of York, Walter de Gray, and his lands were seized, but later returned to him.[5]
His later life is unclear. He may have been alive during the Second Barons' War, and one biography suggests he took Henry's side,[3] although there is evidence he may have been dead by 1257, when his son Marmaduke was apparently in control of the major Thweng estates.[5]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C9:280:CEA0:F572:B4AE:DF6B:E45D (talk) 16:31, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: What makes him a proto-Robin Hood?--Jack Upland (talk) 19:48, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  May have found a "proto-Robin Hood" in a Wikipedia biography - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Thweng 

message: there are several characters that robbed the rich and gave to the poor and this seems missing as a category in wikipedia - so there is a lot of these in the see also section. they need removing. AND to them might be added Ishikawa Goemon  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.30.115 (talk) 01:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  similar characters 

message: 45.42.12.96 (talk) 06:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — IVORK Talk 07:02, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2021 

message: I made up the recent Forresters Manuscript wikipedia article and tried to incorporate it into the main Robin Hood article where appropriate. It wasn't until I divided the list of ballads that appear in Forresters that I noticed the opening paragraph saying the ballads will be listed in rough order of the earliest known appearances. To honor that spirit, I tried looking up on line, using the Bodleian Library's ballad website and versions of Child's Ballads available on archive.org. I didn't touch the ballads listed under Early Ballads or Ballads Appearing in the Percy Folio. For the rest, I'll try to explain here why I ordered them the way I did.
Forresters
1-5. Robin Hood and the Tinker, Robin Hood and the Beggar I, Robin Hood's Progress to Nottingham, Robin Hood Rescuing Will Stutly, and Robin Hood and the Bishop. These 5 ballads were all published by F. Grove, who was active from 1623 to 1661. With nothing else to go on, I listed them in the order in which they're listed in the Child Ballads.
6. Robin Hood's Chase. The earliest broadsheet of this ballad doesn't list a publisher. It does say it's to be sung to the tune Robin Hood and the Beggar, so presumably this ballad was published no earlier than after the first Robin Hood and the Beggar ballad had been released.
7. The Noble Fisherman was published by F. Coles and was actually registered in the Stationers' Registry in the year 1631.
8. Robin Hood and the Tanner was published by W. Gilbertson who was active from 1640 to 1665.
9. Robin Hood and the Shepherd was published by J. Andrews, who apparent was active only c. 1655.
10. Robin Hood's Delight was also published by J. Andrews, and says it's to be sung to the tune Robin Hood and the Shepherd.
11. Robin Hood's Golden Prize was published by F. Grove and was registered in the Stationers' Registry in 1656.
12. Robin Hood Newly Revived was published by R. Burton who was active from 1641 to 1674, but there's a reason to date it more precisely than that. Apparently, the earliest version of this ballad is on a rare broadside that has two ballads, one on each side. One side has Robin Hood Newly Revived, the other has a ballad commemorating the Coronation of Charles II that occurred on April 23, 1661. This ballad even lists the date. So apparently, the earliest Newly Revived can be dated is 1661.
13-16. Robin Hood and Allan-a-Dale, Robin Hood and the Bishop of Hereford, Robin Hood and the Golden Arrow, and The King's Disguise, and Friendship with Robin Hood. Apparently, the earliest versions of these 4 ballads is in the Forresters Manuscript. So I listed them in the order in which they appear in Forresters.
Other Ballads
1. A True Tale of Robin Hood was registered in the Stationers' Registry in 1632.
2. Robin Hood and the Scotchman was first published as the second part of Robin Hood Newly Revived.
3. The only copy of Robin Hood and Maid Marian doesn't list a publisher, but it does say that it's to be sung to the tune Robin Hood Revived.
4-6. Robin Hood and Little John, Robin Hood and the Prince of Aragon, and Robin Hood's Birth, Breeding, Valor, and Marriage. These 3 ballads were all published by W. Onley who was active from 1689 to 1709. I've listed them in the order which they're listed in the Child Ballads.
7, 8. Robin Hood and the Ranger, Robin Hood and the Valiant Knight were both first published in an undated Robin Hood garland, but in one copy, someone wrote their name and the date 1741 inside it. I've listed them in the order they're listed in Child Ballads.
9. The Bold Pedlar and Robin Hood was first published in a garland dated 1775.
10. Robin Hood and the Beggar II. Apparently it was first published in broadsides made in Newcastle, but no one can find a copy earlier than the 18th century. The earliest definite date for it is when it was published in Ritson's Robin Hood book in 1795.
11. Robin Hood and the Pedlars. The earliest copies can only be traced to the 19th century.
K9feline2 (talk) 05:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ballad order 

message: I want to join Robbin hood 2001:8F8:1461:F09:B9C3:62EA:C2F3:3EE2 (talk) 08:10, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  English 

message: (compare Dutch hout, pronounced /hʌut/, also meaning "wood") – nope, hout is cognate with holt, not with wood. If someone pronounced wood as ood and hypercorrectly added an aitch where it never was, that would've given hood, but it doesn't need to have anything to do with holt. 195.187.108.4 (talk) 19:13, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Historicity" section 

message: Request to add Patrick Stewart to the 'Portrayed by' tab.  Patrick Stewart portrayed Robin Hood in Star Trek The Next Generation, Season 4, Episode 20 "Qpid", in a loose recreation of Robin Hood's rescue of the Maid Marian at Nottingham Castle. Natemiester (talk) 22:30, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add to 'Portrayed by' section. 

message: There seems no point having a one-sentence stub article on this when it could easily be incorporated into the main Robin Hood article. CarrotPieFI (talk) 18:40, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What about expanding the stub? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:44, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure there's enough material to write a respectable article about the statue. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Statue of Robin Hood]] into [[Robin Hood]] 

message: Please can the location of Newstead Abbey be added as a link i.e. Newstead Abbey as there is a separate page for Newstead Abbey. The former home of Lord Byron. 46.18.177.137 (talk) 22:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location - Sherwood Forest - Newstead Abbey  

message: The link to Alexandre Dumas under the section “The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood” incorrectly redirects to Alexandre Dumas fils instead of Alexandre Dumas père. 128.194.2.71 (talk) 18:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: - How can it be Alexandre Dumas if he died in 1870 and Le Prince des Voleurs dates from 1872? Tim O'Doherty (talk) 18:54, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It was published posthumously. Professor Penguino (talk) 21:51, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2023