Talk:Case Blue

message: Hi Andreas. I just read your point on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history about the problem of naming "Operation Blue". What about "Germany's 1942 summer offensive"? It's not very long, compared to many other article names in Wikipedia, and it is much more descriptive for non-military buffs. And the risk of mixing it up with other operations during that summer (i.e. mainly Rommel's activities in Northern Africa) is very small. Just an idea... Best regards Thomas Blomberg 01:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It shouldn't be "Operation Blue". Fall Blau is "Case Blue", not "Operation Blue"; it's not an operational codename, it's a war plan. (I can't recall the German for "operation", tho...) Trekphiler 00:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: I'm having feelings that this article should be removed. The information is contained enough to fit on the Battle for Stalingrad article. Colonel Marksman 00:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No this article is relevant, and is an important component of WWII. This article only needs expansion.(Lucas(CA) 03:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal?

message: Shouldn't Operation Seydlitz (2-13 July 1942) be part of this article?
Just what was Operation Seydlitz?  I thought I knew all of the major WW2 offensives, but this is one codename I've seen for the very first time.
146.74.230.110 (talk) 22:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I just found a link in the article about the Rshyev battle. It leads to a German book about an involved division. On this page, the Operation Seydlitz (named after a famous Cavalry General from the 18th century) is mentioned: http://rshew-42.narod.ru/texts/pic6id/114.gif
79.193.115.170 (talk) 08:17, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of Seydlitz?

message: There are currently two external links leading to a boardgame website that is not relevant to the article save for the boardgames being potentially related to the subject of the article. The website itself is also offline. These links should be removed as they do not add to the article and do not contain any further relevant information, they seem to be nothing more than an attempt to gain more attention for the companies products.
*edit* just noticed that they are in the "popular culture" section. Should the links to the external sites still remain in this article? One of them has it's own wikipedia article with an external link, the external link on this one still does not serve a purpose.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.33.48.214 (talk) 19:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of External Links

message: I have just spent a considerable amount of time copyediting this article but there are some parts which I still don't understand, e.g.:
In the 'Army Group A' section:1. Para 5, 1st sentence: "On 2 November 1942, they captured Nalchik, the capital of Kabardo-Balkiar, for pressured to Vladikavkaz (Orjonikidze), capital of Ossetia north of the Georgian military pass en route to Grozny in the south west area."2.  Para 6, 3rd sentence: "There was also success for a Wehrmacht high mountain section from the Karachai-Cherkess area, raising Mount Elbrus in the Causacus Ranges."In the 'Board Games' section: 3. 4th bullet point: Edelweiss was released by Clash of Arms and covers the descent in the Causacus will supply highly simulated".
Any ideas anyone?
RASAM (talk) 16:46, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Third has already been fixed by someone. The second means that a german unit captured the Elbrus mountain and raised the swastika flag there. The first i dont know too. StoneProphet (talk) 05:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion

message: The casualties calculation i made is a bit shaky, maybe someone has better sources to make the timespan of both numbers more comparable. Soviet casualties are possibly higher (missing some January/February casualties), but i only have Glantz's tables (who is quoting Krivosheev) and not Krivosheev as original. StoneProphet (talk) 21:38, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The strenght is only the initial strenght at the start of the offensive. The German Allies troops then rose to about 500,000 and both sides also poured massive replacements into the theatre. StoneProphet (talk) 19:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Casualties

message: Maybe of interest (or use): I came across a Hayward article ("Too Little, Too Late") at Google Scholar, reproduced from Journal of Military History, on Hitler's missed opportunity to attack Sov oil in Fall Blau.  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  09:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Badly oiled

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thread_title: File:M3 Tank Stalingrad.JPG Nominated for Deletion

message: Regarding the edits, here the explanation: Glantz and Krivosheev are the same, because Glantz is only quoting Krivosheev from the table.
Glantz gives the following numbers: killed or missing / wounded / total
Voronezh-Vorosh Defense (28 June-24 July 42): 370,522 / 197,825 / 568,347
Stalingrad Defense (17 July-18 Nov. 42) 323,856 / 319,986 / 643,842
N. Cauc. Defense (25 July-31 Dec. 42) 192,791 / 181,120 / 373,911
Stalingrad Offensive (19 Nov. 42-2 Feb. 43) 154,885 / 330,892 / 485,777
N. Cauc. Offensive (1 Jan. -4 Feb. 43) 69,627 / 84,912 / 154,539
Thats a grand total of 2,226,416. I looked those numbers up and they are indeed in Krivosheev too. Your count is ~500,000 casualties lower, because you appearently did not count the North Cauacasus offensive operation (to 4 February) and you did not count all of the Voronezh-Vorosh Defense Operation. You only counted the Bryansk Front. StoneProphet (talk) 14:59, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Soviet Casualties

message: Heer, which means army, is not generally used in English expository prose (although Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe are). Sca (talk) 14:43, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Heer''

message: Why is Montana used as a size comparison for the Caucasus?
Shouldn't it be something less obscure?  Or even remove it completely. 60.242.196.62 (talk) 12:07, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montana 

message: Stated strength of the soviet armor is actually less than the stated losses. That can't be right.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.114.240.37 (talk) 19:27, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Never heard of "replacing losses"?  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 06:46, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soviet tank casualties 

message: I expanded the orders of battle, realizing that they were constantly shifting over the months of the campaign. Hungrydog55 (talk) 11:42, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planning 

message: It is not clear whether June 28, 1942 is the first day German ground troops and tanks reached Russia for the first time in WWII 67.70.57.71 (talk) 17:48, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Germans Reach Russian Border