Talk:Orange (fruit)/Archive 1

message: On the Orange page it states that it's possible that the orange was a hybrid of the tangerine and the pomelo. But, when you read the pomelo entry, it states that the tangelo is a hybrid between the tangerine and pomelo. Can two fruits (i.e orange and tangelo) be differing hybrids from the same two sources? Stewart McAbney 10:38, 5 May 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is possible for two hybrids of the same parentage to produce different looking plants, mainly due to what genetics it inherits. But the orange has been cultivated in china for a long time and therefore is not likely to look exactly like the first hybrid that was its ancestor. --Bjwebb (talk) 09:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it's possible both are correct, but people who read it might suppose that there's no genetic difference between a tangelo and an orange. "x is a hybrid between y and z" is obviously not enough information to differentiate species. Since in this article it's stated as speculation, I suggest it be stricken entirely. --76.223.219.98 03:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pollutive Fruit 

message: I was wondering what is the black stuff that is sometimes present on the bottom of navel oranges, I tried searching for this on google and wikipedia but didn't find anything. If anyone knows what it is, I think it would be very useful to include it in the article.  Sticks!
Just in case you are wondering what it looks like, it is something black that seems to go inside the orange about a centimeter or so. You can clearly see it from the outside if you look at the navel part of the orange, but usually it's not present. I would say 5-10% of the navel oranges I have seen have this.
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Nah.. it came from someone saying: Knock knock. Who's there? Banana. Banana who? Knock knock. Who's there? Banana. Banana who? Knock knock. Stop knocking who is this anyway? Orange. Orange who? Orange you glad i stopped saying banana?
Not quite; it happened in French. The 'n' is still present in Spanish. The same thing happened to several other words, such as umpire and newt (the other way). In French, the 'n' was assimilated to the indefinite article "une". -phma
:This is a common thing in English.  I guess I should add it to the A, an article.  An even weirder one in French was the transition from l'ejade to le jade.  Ortolan88
OK, is the fruit named for the colour (as it says in the entry or the colour) or the colour named for the fruit (as stated in this article about the fruit)? And is there a good citation to link to about this?
- Logotu 23:39, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: No one ever answered the question, but the colour entry was changed to agree with this one that the fruit came first, so all seems to be good. - Logotu 01:39, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The color is named for the fruit.  In Old English, the color was originally called "geoluhread" (Modern English: "yellowred").  When the fruit made its way to the English-speaking world, "orange" was probably used for a particular shade of yellowred, just as "lime" and "melon" are used for shades of green, "rose" a shade of red, or "violet" a shade of purple.  The word "orange" obviously supplanted "yellowred" as a whole, but I haven't the slightest idea when this was. --Corvun 01:54, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joke 

message: I've been bold and gone ahead in restructuring the article somewhat (hopefully better!).  But the big problem is that there's too many images, which severely distorts the rendering of the page, especially om monitors 1024 and less pixels wide.  No offense meant to any of the photographers, but I've gone ahead and removed a few and shifted it all to the right.  Maybe we could find a better solution to showcase all the photographs we have...?  Dewet 19:15, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  too many images! 

message: Why is there a disputed tag on this page indicating that the accuracy of this entire article is being disputed? It refers readers to this talk page for more information, yet (until this comment), there does not appear to be any dispute. If nobody cares to discuss the dispute, the tag should be removed within a few days. I seriously doubt the entire article is in dispute (it reads well to me as-is), so probably only a portion of it should be tagged, and with a more specific tag. Most importantly, the dispute should be discussed here. --Willscrlt 09:55, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed 

message: I was wondering what the statistics of orange production within the United States- state by state. I'm sure most of us are aware that Florida has top honors, but other states such as California, Arizona, and Texas also produce oranges. Has anyone seen these figures? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Buddmar (talk • contribs) 16:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production of oranges by state 

message: Personally, I hadn't realized that the picture was worth reverting over, so lets discuss it.  I'm for keeping the peeled orange picture on the page, for a couple reasons.
# There are already 4 pictures with sliced oranges, and none with peeled oranges.  I mostly peel my oranges when I eat them, so a peeled orange makes sense on the page.  
# The underdeveloped sections are easier to see as a separate set of lobes from the actual segments.
# I really don't find the pericarp to be distasteful in any way.  I eat the pericarp.
# Since aesthetics are such a subjective thing, statements like 'I think the peeled/the cut picture is nicer' doesn't really add much weight to either side.
# I hardly think that a single picture is going to alter the public perception of a piece of fruit; anyone who has eaten an orange realizes that there is pericarp.
# I see no evidence of a pro-apple conspiracy on the page.
# An apple is also a highly nutritious piece of fruit.  Both articles have nutritional information on them, people can make their own decisions based on the info there.  
What are other's thoughts on the subject?
WLU 19:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should not be putting our personal bias into the article. I don't really care whether you believe there's some sort of apple conspiracy or not, but we have to decide which picture is the most informative, not the most pretty. - Zero1328 Talk? 00:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, that makes sense.  I think the pic of the peeled orange is more informative than the sliced one, and is more informative to those reading the page.  No other shows the pericarp (which is mentioned in the article), no other shows a peeled orange, no other shows the 'twin fruit' at the bottom of the navel orange as unambiguously.  I think the original picture (this diff) is better.  WLU 02:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orange picture 

message: Since we can't agree on the picture and now both are gone like Solomon's baby, we may as well see if there is consensus one way or the other with both pictures visible here on the talkpage to indiate preference, reasons, etc.
====Unpeeled====
thumb|200px|Navel oranges. The underdeveloped twin is visible at the bottom of the centre orange.
*I like this one, it shows how the "twin" is inside of the peel - but I don't really feel that strongly either way, the other one certainly looks edible. ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 22:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no-one has any objections to the pic, and no one is pushing for the other one, you think we can put it back on the page?  WLU 20:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I went ahead and put it back up. - Zero1328 Talk? 22:14, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preference for picture 

message: thumb|200px|Navel oranges. The underdeveloped twin is visible at the bottom of the centre orange.
*I like this one, it shows how the "twin" is inside of the peel - but I don't really feel that strongly either way, the other one certainly looks edible. ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 22:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unpeeled

message: *I prefer this one for several reasons:
# There are already 4 pictures with sliced oranges, and none with peeled oranges.  Since many people peel their oranges, at least one peeled orange makes sense on the page.  
# The underdeveloped sections of the navel orange are easier to see as a separate set of lobes from the actual segments.  The 'twin fruit' is most unambiguous here, as it is separated from the body of the fruit.
# The picture also clearly shows the separate sections of the orange, which no other picture shows.
# The picture shows the pericarp, which none of the other pictures show.
# The pericarp is also mentioned in the article, another reason to include a picture that shows the pericarp.
# Statements regarding 'appearing' edible and inedible are subjective, it should be the more informative picture, not the most edible appearing one.
*WLU 23:18, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no-one has any objections to the pic, and no one is pushing for the other one, you think we can put it back on the page?  WLU 20:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I went ahead and put it back up. - Zero1328 Talk? 22:14, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Peeled

message: The discussion of the entymology is causing example-creep.  There's now way too many examples of the word for orange in too many different languages.  At minimum the section is too long and could be turned into a table.  However, I'd be much happier if it could be trimmed down to just a couple examples at most.  There is also a main article for Orange (word), and they might be better served over there.  But WP:NOT indiscriminate.  WLU 14:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Entymology 

message: Are oranges dyed to either change or enhance their color before going to the market? The article didn't say.Jlujan69 01:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  dyed in the rind? 

message: I think the biology and history of navel oranges is interesting enough to merit a separate page. There's even more that could be added, but it seems like it would be too much if it's left as a subsection of this page. Objections? --Mike Schiraldi 22:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's enough for a full page, though a separate section within the article is probably meritted.  WLU 12:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--Mike Schiraldi 01:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I tried to make it a bit clearer, I'd prefer 'opposite the stem' to stay in, I think it's clearer.  That being said, I'm not 100% certain my version is any better.  WLU 22:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that was a big improvement. Thanks for chipping in. --Mike Schiraldi 00:15, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I exist to improve wikipedia, your praise is ambrosia to me :)  Thanks.  WLU 13:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breakout navel oranges onto their own page? 

message: From the Persian oranges section:
"Sweet oranges were brought to Europe in the 15th century from India by Portuguese traders..."
From the etymology section:
"...the sweet orange was brought from China to Europe during the 14th century by the Portuguese."
Which is right?
91.153.142.245 10:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction of sweet oranges to Europe 

message: My friend and i are thinking about having an 'orange festival' You know, everyone wears orange, we have oranges, smoothies, juice, peel sculptures, etc.
1. What are your thoughts?
2. What would YOU expect at an ornage festival?
3. what other foods are good at such an orange festival?
4. How would you finance it?
5. where is a good place ( note that blenders need electricity )
6. How many ornages are needed per person?
7. When is a good time in the year for it?
8. Anything else?
Thank you! It will be a grand old time!
Avgjessop 04:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orange Festival 

message: This is my first post on Wikipedia & therefore I would rather point out the problems & let someone else make the changes or argue against them.
Item 1. “Because the mutation left the fruit seedless and therefore sterile, the only means available to cultivate more of this new variety is to graft cuttings onto other varieties of citrus tree.”  
	Not all Navel oranges are seedless as can be confirmed by checking the Web.  In fact, I just finished eating one in a bag of Navels from Florida.  That is what led me to this article.
Item 2. “Orange trees and fruit are susceptible to frost damage. Growers commonly use sprinklers to coat them with water when temperatures are expected to go below freezing. This practice protects the crops because the freezing of water absorbs heat energy, protecting the foliage as ice begins to form. The thin layer of water/ice also acts as a layer of insulation that protects the leaves from cold winds.”
	Unfortunately, this has the thermodynamics exactly backwards.  When water freezes to ice heat is released.  Think of the reverse process: It is obvious that ice absorbs heat when it melts.
Item 3.  Ref. 6 is a very poor citation in my opinion.  The question is poorly worded and the answerers playing as scientists give even more poorly worded explanations.  Guaranteed to confuse anyone, including whoever wrote the sprinkling process.
NeffiKatt (talk) 02:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccuracies 

message: With respect to the the removal of Citrus descriptor publications in the Orange (fruit) reference section 3 January 2008, I regret the rational (see history) to remove them because "they don 't refer to the text".
 
First these publications are relevant for those people who want to read further on what has been written in the fruit and variety section. Secondly the existing three references in the Orange (fruit) article also don 't have a direct conection to the text. So either remove all references and/ or insert a new section with external links or further reading. Thanks. 
Mvanzonneveld (talk)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.144.167.16 (talk) 15:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  references 

message: "Fruits of all members of the genus Citrus are considered berries because they have many seeds, are fleshy and soft, and derive from a single ovary."
This may apply from a botanical point of view, in the plant scientific classification. A lay person will never consider an orange to be some kind of berry, I think. Maybe this should be said.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iwnit (talk • contribs) 17:54, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fruit 

message: *Candied orange peel
*Zest (ingredient) -- Zest is the outer, colorful skin of citrus fruit, known botanically as the exocarp. It is often used to add strong flavor to foods, such as lemon meringue pie, sorbets and salads.
-69.87.203.15 (talk) 21:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juice and other products 

message: What are the nutritional aspects of orange peel?  Is it high in fiber?  Are there potential benefits from eating the inside of the peel?
-69.87.203.15 (talk) 21:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orange peel 

message: I was disappointed to find no information on cultivation, or the primary growth seasons, or how many crops per year can be obtained, or yield levels per acre/hectare.  MaxEnt (talk) 01:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultivation 

message: Cultural Aspects: as opposed to an apple.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.78.165.148 (talk) 08:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural Aspects 

message: This statement needs citation: "The orange is a hybrid of ancient cultivated origin, possibly between pomelo (Citrus maxima) and tangerine (Citrus reticulata)."
I've read about tangelos - tangerine/pomelo hybrid. However they differ from oranges  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.131.137.50 (talk) 01:47, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: Surely this figure is inaccurate, at least for the US. Florida doesn't show up at all but the midwest/mid-atlantic states are significant orange producers?Bcostley (talk) 21:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are misunderstanding the map. It shows the total production by each country. Each yellow dot represents 10% of the top producer's output. The five yellow dots mean that in total the US produces 50% of the output of the top producer (Brazil). William Avery (talk) 22:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, that makes much more sense. Thanks! Bcostley (talk) 23:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

text:  The map is not a good one. In Brazil the South is dotted, while the biggest producer is located in São Paulo, in the Southeast.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.206.209.120 (talk) 02:57, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orange Output Figure 

message: According the USDA the correct scientific name is  Citrus ×sinensis.  This name reflects the fact that it is a hybrid plant.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.208.103.241 (talk) 07:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientific Name 

message: Is there a lemma on Orange tree, too?
There are some bautiful poems to add: , see poetry.
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.82.122 (talk) 09:29, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orange Poem 

message: It would be nice if this section were to explain why anyone would go to the trouble of taking cuttings of a mutant tree whose sterile fruit featured a underdeveloped conjoined twin.  Does the twin taste really good or what?  --Pascal666 23:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it for you since the article is semi-protected. If you as a not auto-confirmed user would like to change anything in the future, to any semi-protected article, not just this one, you may use the  template and someone will come to make the edit for you. Any user older than 4 days, and with 10 or more edits is auto-confirmed, and will not need to go through this hassle. jonkerz♠ 14:11, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

text: According to The Straight Dope, which usually is trustworthy ( http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/316/does-unsweetened-oj-actually-have-sugar-in-it ), the common navel orange Its existence is recorded at least as far back as the 17th century - can anyone confirm? 190.113.141.223 (talk) 04:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navel orange 

message: The lead does not summarize the article below.  There are few inline references.  The article has a gallery section, which I thought was generally outlawed three years ago.  This allowed its downgrade to C class, though it could have been dropped to Start due to the lead problems.  Thegreatdr (talk) 13:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article issues 

message: Could we get a picture of an orange tree here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.244.173.50 (talk) 00:41, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Added one, thanks! –Juliancolton | Talk 00:47, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orange Tree 

message: I don't know who made the image but the reference is no longer valid and it also show production in the United States in the northeast. That is entirely inaccurate. Texas, Arizona, California and Florida are the major producers in the US. http://www.unctad.org/infocomm/francais/orange/Doc/citrus.pdf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.240.109.172 (talk) 03:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, perhaps the worst map I've ever seen on wikipedia. 218.25.32.210 (talk) 08:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this is the second discussion started on this map.  Unless somebody can argue for this, I'm deleting. --Bridgecross (talk) 19:01, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orange output in 2005 Image 

message: The intro paragraph speculates that the orange may have derived from a hybrid of the pomelo and the tangerine. However, the wording of the tangerine article gives the impression that the tangerine is a type of orange—specifically, a type of mandarin orange. So one of these two claims is obviously wrong, or they are using different definitions of term "orange" or "tangerine". I'm leaning towards the opinion that this article is incorrect and the term "orange" includes mandarin oranges and, therefore, also tangerines. Can anyone verify this or shed light on the matter?--Subversive Sound (talk) 06:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tangerine 

message: On almost every package of oranges and other citrus fruits available in my country there is a warning 'Peel is not for human consumption' (my translation into english). I researched this subject and found that citrus fruits (lemon, grapefruits, oranges etc.) are treated in Imazalil solution by spraying or submerging for a short time in order to prevent spoiling the fruit. Imazalil is fungicide, that is, type of pesticide that is poisonous for humans. Why there is no mention of this in the article? There are regulations in EU about maximum residue of Imazalil in the peel of the fruit, but not all countries in the world have adopted those limits, although they do control/test imported fruits for this chemical.
Imazalil effectiveness
Pesticides residue evaluation article
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.180.52.169 (talk) 05:25, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imazalil treatment (Peel not for human consumption warning) 

message: Sweet oranges were brought from China by the Portuguese, not from India. Please correct this mistake. Wikipedia is unfortunately full of mistakes, because most of the people writing the articles lack knowledge, specially when dealing with historical matters.
Dulce Rodrigues
www.dulcerodrigues.info 
91.86.159.134 (talk) 21:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: The line you are talking about states that they were brought from "China or India". If you can provide a reliable source that indicates they only came from India and not China it can be changed. --Yarnalgo talk to me 22:05, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 91.86.159.134, 28 May 2010 

message: The article reads: [Also in South Italian dialects (Neapolitan), orange is named portogallo  or purtualle, literally "the Portuguese one".]
There are four small flaws in the sentence:
0 - the word "Neapolitan" next to South Italian dialects suggests to me that such dialects are known as Neapolitan, which is not true (in fact some dialects in S. Italy are completely different from Neapolitan and result as mutually unintelligible);
1 - the word "portogallo" (with variations) is used also in central and northern dialects, e.g. Piedmont "portugaj", Bergamo "portügàl", Abruzzo (I speak Abruzzese dialect) "purt'al";
2 - the word is also accepted in Italian language, even if not common (this is a trusted dictionary referring to the word as of regional origin, but it still reports it);
3 - the literally meaning is "Portogallo"="Portugal", that is the country rather than its denonym (which would be "portoghese")
I'm not writing any substitute sentence as you may decide to put as many information you want. The source is myself (most of those facts are known to any average learned Italian) and it.wikipedia.org for the word in use in Bergamo.
EDIT: I also noticed that the previous request is substantially right: there is a misunderstanding as Yarnalgo is referring to the paragraph "Etimology", while Dulce R. is referring to the paragraph "Persian orange", where is says in fact that the orange has been introduced from India, at variance with what the article reads in the previous paragraph.
Cheers,
astabada
Astabada (talk) 14:26, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request (Italian denomination of Orange) 

message: The word is still in use in the Italian portogallohttp://www.garzantilinguistica.it/it/dizionario/it/cerca?q=portogallo&commit=%C2%A0, literally "Portugal", but the term arancia is preferred. However it is in use in most Italian dialects, from the North (Piedmont, përtugalhttp://pms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrus_sinensis) to the South (Neapolitan, pertegàllhttp://nap.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perteg%C3%A0ll).
Astabada (talk) 12:48, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. And, by the way, now you're an autocomfirmed user, so you can edit this article without having to rely on other people.   Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 14:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Astabada, 12 July 2010 

message: The rind is leathery and the segments, or "liths," are filled with pulp vesicles.
Vewcaere (talk) 18:03, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 23:41, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Vewcaere, 25 September 2010 

message: The listed synonyms have incorrect authorities. "Citrus aurantium Risso" is wrong. It should be "Citrus aurantium L." (possibly with a hybrid x preceding the species; Citrus taxonomy is such a mess I'm not sure if aurantium is a hybrid or not).  "Citrus aurantium L. var. dulcis L." should be "Citrus aurantium L. var. dulcis Hayne". Again, possibly/probably with a hybrid marker, and the "L." would be optional. See http://www.tropicos.org/NameSearch.aspx?name=citrus&commonname= or www.ipni.org.22:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synonymous scientific names 

message: The passage on "Persian orange" actually describes the sweet "Indian orange" popularized in Europe by the Portuguese. In fact, one of the names for the popular orange in Iran refers to Portuguese origins. Someone should correct the title of this section. User:apalaria comment added Feb 11, 2010  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.46.94.35 (talk) 18:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian Orange?? 

message: The section on skincare is highly questionable. It makes claims for oranges and antioxidants in general which are not recognised by mainstream science, fails to cite many sources, and the only source it does state has been quoted almost directly in the article. The cited source suffers many of the same problems as the section in the article.
Much of what's said here is the sort of pseudoscience constantly promulgated in skincare product advertising and the section should be removed, or just possibly reworked to represent the use of citrus fruit in skincare - which is a minefield of careful wording and vague claims in itself.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.153.221.127 (talk) 13:38, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur.  This is just concealed advertisement, and the source cannot be considered reliable.  The section will therefore be deleted.  Favonian (talk) 11:44, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skin care? 

message: I have tagged "Its name originates from the colour of its skin" as requiring a citation, since this contradicts the article to which it links, Orange (colour) states "The colour is named after the orange fruit". Clearly one or other has to be wrong, so it would be good if it could be cited, or cited to be the contrary. Vwozone (talk) 20:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Dictionary.com pretty much says the word origins are unknown.   WLU (talk) 22:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article now has conflicting information.  In the first paragraph it says oranges were named for the colour of their skin, where later on it states that the word 'orange' comes from the fruit. Bar fly high (talk) 16:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried to fix this based on reference.com.  Also, I moved your comment to the bottom of the page - the discussion you had linked to was almost 3 years old, while this is more current. WLU (talk) 16:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: The table does not match the reference given, some countries' productions in the table are  not those in the source, not for national pride one hopes. Failing resolution the table shall be deleted.--SilasW (talk) 20:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table of top producers in 2005 

message: Can I find a couple of people who will join with me to upgrade this article?  It is really kind of a mess and is missing volumes of available information.  Getting the taxonomy of oranges (mandarins, tangerines, satsumas) straightened out is going to be difficult and we really don't need people stepping in and making reversions, etc., without some agreement among people who are willing to do the work.
I have a natural interest in oranges, as I grew up in an orange grove.  I started to do some work on this page several years ago.  I started by adding sections on valencias and temple oranges, which took a number of hours, only to find that some jerk had reverted them because it was "too US centric".  I have better things to do than fight with some guy who erases my work about US orange varieties instead of putting them in a proper category or adding varieties from other countries!
Anyway I'd really like to find a couple of folks who would like to make this a great article.  It obviously has attracted a lot of nonsense and negative contributions in the past, and I suspect others are also discouraged from adding to it.  Apollo (talk) 16:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upgrading Article 

message: I've reverted all the "color->colour" and "flavor->flavour" changes per WP:TIES, since production of the fruit is overwhelmingly American within the English speaking world.  I'd also add that the US spelling is consistent with the Portuguese. Apollo (talk) 17:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not yet convinced there is a "strong" case for WP:TIES. VMS Mosaic (talk) 02:49, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  British vs. American spelling 

message: Which sugars are contained in oranges and in what proportions? Please add. -- 77.187.155.118 (talk) 19:09, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sugars" is too general. 

message: ==Rhymes with==
* Sporange (a sac where spores are made)
* Blorenge (a mountain in Wales)
http://dictionary.reference.com/help/faq/language/t22.html
217.14.8.23 (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 217.14.8.23, 24 July 2011 

message: On the etymology section it is considered 'Puerto Rican' as a language. This is not correct; the language spoken in that country is Spanish as are the examples given in the article. 
120.151.191.163 (talk) 04:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done; . Hence, I'm not even sure which part you mean. Please quote the line/section, and re-submit the request.  Chzz  ►  20:15, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 120.151.191.163, 4 August 2011 

message: Please add this into the main article on Oranges to an existing section or appropriately named new section, the peel of an orange should not be overlooked in a comprehensive encyclopedia entry on this magnificent fruit;  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bzbz33 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done  Seems reasonable to me, I'll add it now. --Ella Plantagenet (talk) 02:38, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from , 17 November 2011 

message: http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/9/6/246.extract 
    : Oxford Journals 
    Life Sciences 
    Journal of Heredity 
    Volume9, Issue6 
    Pp. 246-249. 
    Washington navels will produce seeds if "dusted" with valencia pollen. 
It is reasonable to assume that other navels will be similarly liable to have a few seeds..  
So, "seedless orange with seeds" is not fully self-contradictory. 
Some suppliers list the Navel varieties as "usually seedless"
Erasmid (talk) 06:03, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navels are not necessarily seedless 

message: I would like to see that Juice vesicles be added to the terminology for orange.
-Yoshimagick (talk) 16:32, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Where exactly would you like it added, and what wording do you propose? (For the record, Juice vesicles—an unsourced stub—suggests the term is synonymous with "pulp".) Rivertorch (talk) 17:00, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juice Vesicles 

message: It should also be mentioned that Orange Flower Water is an essential component of the classic New Orleans Ramos Gin Fizz Cocktail.  It is a very nutritious fruit
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shinebassist88 (talk • contribs) 03:13, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Has nothing to do with this article. Orange Flower Water comes from Bitter Orange.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 03:29, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orange Flower Water 

message: I think that there's quite a bit of opinionated statements in this article, regarding the taste of the orange.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.143.47 (talk) 03:21, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Try fixing it.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 03:25, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the word delicious 

message: According to QI, Ripe oranges may be green and the colour has nothing to do with ripeness.
"...because oranges are a subtropical, not tropical fruit. The colour of an orange depends on where it grows. In more temperate climes, its green skin turns orange when the weather cools; but in countries where it’s always hot, the chlorophyll is preserved and the fruit stays green." More at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/qi/8345477/QI-Quite-interesting-facts-about-orange.html
I suggest revising the degreening section to clarify that the orange colour is neither an indicator of ripeness nor quality, only how much ethylene the manufacturer has used.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.5.27 (talk) 14:28, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 7th Jan 2011 

message: According to the orange production table which referred to the FAO's data on 2010, I cross-checked with the FAO's website and noticed some mismatching data. 
The data from the website showed that the top-three orange producers in 2010 are Spain, South Africa and The United States of America, which are contrary to the data from the Wiki's article. 
Thank you so much Moonnykiss (talk) 08:41, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Checking request from 15 April 2013 

message: change the versus "The origin of the term orange is presumably the Sanskrit word for "orange tree" (नारङगम्, nāraṅga),[9] whose form has changed over time, after passing through numerous intermediate languages" to "Origin of the word "Orange" is not Sanskrit, but it is from the Tamil word "நரந்தம், or 'narantam'""  http://www.languagehat.com/archives/004398.php
111.93.119.238 (talk) 09:47, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: The Collins reference that's cited is reliable, and it's backed up by AHD, whose entry gives a more thorough explanation of the word's history. Both sources do mention the possibility of Dravidian (e.g., Tamil) origins, but neither states it as a certainty. The source you're citing appeas to be a blog. Rivertorch (talk) 11:09, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 18 June 2013 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 20:57, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Potential Health Risks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.109.6.2 (talk) 17:27, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: RM

message: Where in an Orange is the greatest amount of flavonoid located?   Is it found mostly in the white core, rind, stem, or meat (flesh)?   It was my understanding that the whitish core was where most of the flavonoids were found.    I was of the understanding that flavonoids are found mostly in the white parts of the orange.   That is, just under the skin.   Or is it distributed equally through the fruit of the orange?   Does a ripe orange have more flavonoids than one that is not ripe?   Dexter Nextnumber (talk) 21:48, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: *We are focused here on improving the Wikipedia article on orange (fruit), rather than discussing the fruit. You may want to look at Web sites focused on nutrition,  and/or vitamins for this type of information. Also, you may want to read this. Dwpaul Talk    02:30, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flavonoids in the rind, core, or stem? 

message: *Varieties
Other varieties of common oranges: long list, but not even a brief description of some of the varieties. Just where they come from or are cultivated.
History: why is Chinese statement made when there is ZERO facts to support this claim. It is a complete fraud?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.1.216.24 (talk) 01:59, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Chinese origin is fairly well-documented, though I don't have my copy of Oranges by John McPhee handy right now.  Reify-tech (talk) 02:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information lacking 

message: This book is a well-written, interesting treatment of many aspects of the fruit.  Wikipedia says that John McPhee is "an American writer, widely considered one of the pioneers of creative nonfiction". He is widely respected for his engaging writing style, while still thoroughly researching his subjects.  The book, written in 1967, is still a classic though a few things likely have changed since then.  It is noteworthy enough that I may dig up some reviews and add a brief mention of it to the article.  Reify-tech (talk) 02:53, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Oranges'' by John McPhee 

message: The usage and topic of "Orange" is under discussion, see Talk:Orange (word) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 04:47, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: "{{noredirect|Orange}}"

message: Mandarin orange (Citrus reticulata) is an original species of citrus, and is the proginator of the common orange.
Shouldn't that be progenitor?
:: Yes, good catch. Fixed now. Thanks very much. Softlavender (talk) 05:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling error? 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Not moved; early close per WP:SNOW (I would add that "oranges" could also refer to the many shades of orange). bd2412 T 18:14, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Orange (fruit) →  – Here's my question. Can we use plurals in an attempt to avoid parentheses, as per WP:D's advice to use natural disambiguation?
I know that in general, we avoid using plural titles. (I have either written or rewritten most of the guideline on plural titles, WP:PLURAL. I know the rules.) But I can't help but think--wouldn't this be a nice, convenient and natural way to avoid having the parenthetical disambiguator in the title? (Obviously, oranges already redirects here.) Couldn't we change the rule?
I know this is currently not something we have done at Wikipedia, but I wanted to hear from y'all--is this a good idea? Should we put articles at plural titles to avoid having to disambiguate them unnecessarily?
Thanks for your time and consideration. Red Slash 22:49, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

text: However they do come in varieties.  The categories are: :Category:Oranges and :Category:Orange cultivars  GregKaye 02:05, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
===Well...===
I guess that's settled! Thanks, all! Red Slash 22:02, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: RM

message: I guess that's settled! Thanks, all! Red Slash 22:02, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Well...

message: Remove the first image, which the caption is "Oranges in Florida". First, that image seems like it was randomly thrown there. Second, no one cares where the oranges are from. Literally, that picture could be of any orange tree in the world. 
Huritisho (talk) 00:39, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
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message: Please add the following file
 
link to image
to Orange (fruit)#Varieties#Navel oranges underneath File:Navel_orange_sectioned.jpg but before File:Caracaraorange.png. The image clearly shows the protrusion of a navel orange that is a distinctive feature of this type of orange and is crucial to readers' understanding of the differences between different types of orange.
RedGreenYellowBlue (talk) 12:56, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2015 

message: Please add Trovita Orange, I have one in my yard and it performs amazing here in the desert.  It is smaller than a navel, thin skinned, and seedy but has amazing flavor and is perfect for juicing.  It is believed to have come from a Washington Navel here in the Rubidoux Tract...  Thank you, Leif Nelson
66.215.229.170 (talk) 21:50, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. There is no article about that type of orange. Please provide sources about it. EvergreenFir (talk) Please  00:39, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
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message: I have looked for new information for the 3 'as of' tags in the top section, but I couldn't find anything reliable. Is there a different tag that I should put in place to indicate this? Leschnei (talk) 16:03, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can't find updates 

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In Europe, citrus fruits—among them the bitter orange, introduced to Italy by the crusaders in the 11th century—were grown widely in the south for medicinal purposes,[5] but the sweet orange was unknown until the late 15th century or the beginnings of the 16th century, when Italian and Portuguese merchants brought orange trees into the Mediterranean area.[5] Shortly afterward, the sweet orange quickly was adopted as an edible fruit. It also was considered a luxury item and wealthy people grew oranges in private conservatories, called orangeries. By 1646, the sweet orange was well known throughout Europe.[5]
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In Europe, the Moors introduced the orange to Spain which was known as Al-Andalus, modern Andalucia, with large scale cultivation starting in the 10th century as evidenced by complex irrigation techniques specifically adapted to support orange orchards..
Citrus fruits—among them the bitter orange, introduced to Italy by the crusaders in the 11th century—were grown widely in the south for medicinal purposes,[5] but the sweet orange was unknown until the late 15th century or the beginnings of the 16th century, when Italian and Portuguese merchants brought orange trees into the Mediterranean area.[5] Shortly afterward, the sweet orange quickly was adopted as an edible fruit. It also was considered a luxury item and wealthy people grew oranges in private conservatories, called orangeries. By 1646, the sweet orange was well known throughout Europe.[5]
Jadcooper (talk) 02:01, 7 September 2016
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thread_title:  Suggested edit 

message: * Orange cultivars in See also section  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.38.105.161 (talk) 00:44, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Added to the See also section, except :Category:Orange cultivars which is a category, not an article. General Ization Talk    02:38, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highlight the cultivars please 

message: fresh avacado 
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replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Mlpearc (open channel) 03:19, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2016 

message: Ripe oranges are only orange after they got cold, cf. this helpful article. In countries where it does not get cold, they remain green and only turn yellow/brown when they rot. Degreening harms the quality and is only done because consumers in countries where oranges are bought but not produced think that green oranges are not ripe. An explanation of this with a photo of a ripe green orange would be helpful. Galant Khan (talk) 21:57, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Color 

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message: The article claims that navel oranges are sterile, and created only by cutting and grafting. But then it says that the cara cara navel is believed to have originated as a cross between the Washington navel and the Brazilian Bahia navel. Are THOSE navels not sterile?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.204.139 (talk) 23:14, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navels sterile 

message: Someone who can edit this article, please correct it.  (Under the section on the name of the fruit in various languages, it incorrectly includes Turkish in the Indo-European section.) 31.50.103.97 (talk) 22:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish is not an Indo-European language 

message: The photograph "Navel_orange_sectioned.jpg", supposedly depicting a navel orange cut in half, looks very much like a mandarin orange, not a navel orange. Google-image both terms and compare. Seems to me like the original uploader was mistaken. Image link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(fruit)#/media/File:Navel_orange_sectioned.jpg . Ericobnn (talk) 17:15, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Ericobnn, do mandarin oranges have a navel like that, as shown in the picture? Softlavender (talk) 05:02, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Softlavender the protuberance on the "orange" on the right is just a malformation that can happen with tangerines. The sections of oranges (and navel oranges, judging from the google images) are not segmented in slices like those in the picture. You cannot easily tear individual sections of oranges with your hand like you can tangerines. Ericobnn (talk) 22:58, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've removed both images as I tend to agree with you. Softlavender (talk) 23:05, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navel orange picture possibly wrong 

message: The article goes on to explain that In Europe, the Moors introduced the orange to Spain (but, from where?)
It fails to mention where the oranges came from when they were introduced to Spain.
**but the sweet orange was unknown until the late 15th century or the beginnings of the 16th century, when Italian and Portuguese merchants brought orange trees into the Mediterranean area.**
Again, where from?
--159.100.84.247 (talk) 13:03, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: No mention of chinese origin

message: In chapter "Etymology", please change "...(apelsin) and Norwegian appelsin.[33] A similar case is..." to "...(apelsin), Norwegian appelsin and Finnish (although not an Indo-European language) appelsiini.[33] A similar case is...". 91.155.113.58 (talk) 17:06, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:02, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2019 

message: Not sure how to format or word it myself, may come back to include it later, just a note of recommendation. When searching in Google, this page seems to be prioritized over the one regarding colour. It may be useful for those searching for the colour in specific rather than the fruit to be linked to that article near the top of this article, saves them from having to manually search for it. SchizoidNightmares (talk) 03:09, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --SchizoidNightmares (talk) 03:36, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should include a link to the orange colour or a disambiguation that links to it 

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This image, of a mosaic from the ruined city of Pompei, is in the Italian national archeological museum in Naples.  In the bottom left corner is depicted an orange, with fresh foliage, suggesting these were available in Europe before the city's destruction in A.D. 79  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mozgren (talk • contribs) 12:19, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: the article should mention calories for different types of oranges and orange products, such as juice or marmalade 2A00:23C5:C2A1:9200:8D0C:79D5:B69E:273F (talk) 00:31, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  how many calories in an orange? 

message: This page says that Cara Cara Navels are "... believed that they have originated as a cross between the Washington navel and the Brazilian Bahia navel,[56] and they were discovered at the Hacienda Cara Cara in Valencia, Venezuela, in 1976.[57]"
This is different to the Cara Cara page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cara_cara_navel ) which says they "believed to have developed as a spontaneous bud mutation on a Washington navel orange tree.[1][2][3][4]".
Since these varieties are seedless, I can't see how it can be a cross between a Bahia and Washington, the entry for Navels also makes it clear that as a seedless variety they are only grown from cuttings.  Seems likely therefore that the Washington-Bahia story has to be false?  I'm not an expert on citrus, but I am sure that there is a problem here somewhere, just through logic!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.203.68.2 (talk) 05:01, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cara Cara Orange inconsistency 

message: I can’t seem to get a usable URL link for this subsection. BiliousBob (talk) 12:02, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hamlin orange 

message: The article currently says the first mention of the "sweet orange" is in China in 341 BC. The next chronological event in the history is that Italian & Portuguese traders brought orange trees to the Mediterranean in the 1500s. Where did the Italians or Portuguese get the oranges from? India? Myanamar? China? When did oranges spread from their point of origin to broader distribution in Asia?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:285:8280:C8B0:ECC6:B132:F997:14A (talk) 23:47, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: It looks like those oranges have been peeled mechanically, so most of the rind is off as well. Also, every time I try to peel an orange I end up with a layer of white on the inside, even after removing the rind itself. We'd be getting in too deep for an image caption to explain that there is a membrane under the rind, but before the other membrane around each segment. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:59, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section is excessively Eurocentric 

message: Link the word "species" Bucket4458 (talk) 04:22, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Common term, no need to link. See WP:OVERLINKING - FlightTime (open channel) 04:27, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

text: Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page :Orange (fruit). Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. Lightoil (talk) 03:56, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2022 

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message: Suggest the line "The sweet orange reproduces asexually (apomixis through nucellar embryony); varieties of sweet orange arise through mutations" in the lede be deleted, as it is directly contradicted by the section "propagation" in the body of the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:589:300:CA70:A8C7:6023:7DB4:25BA (talk) 17:49, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reproduction is confusing 

message: Defence 2402:8100:3005:24D8:4DD2:FC15:9897:80E8 (talk) 14:04, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orange and mosambi defence  

message: The article lists Orange Rind and Orange Peel separately, but there seems to be little if any difference between the two and most people use the terms interchangably.  If there is a difference, it should be explained in the article.  If there isn't any practical difference, the two paragraphs should be combined to avoid confusion.  (If combined, both terms should be mentioned in the title.)  JDZeff (talk) 20:30, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Rind is the Old High German for an outer layer of a part of a plant, while peel is of Latin origin for the action of removing the skin and the name for the removed item. The usage of "peel" is far more extended. The "rind" seems more accurate. One could also use "shell" or "skin". I find that using a uniform term throughout the text is good for it's readability. Any one would be good, but there should be one only. Alkis0 (talk) 15:53, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the difference? 

message: As the list of Navels and Valencias is quite long i suggest leaving only a summary here and opening two detailed additional articles, "Valencia orange" and "Navel orange", using the content of the present. How do you find the idea?
Alkis0 (talk) 15:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate articles proposal