Talk:Astana

message: Since Astana is the more used name in English (sources: Google Scholar, Google Trends) - The article's name should be reverted to Astana. Tecumseh*1301 (talk) 07:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not an RfC matter. Please see WP:RM. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:33, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Do you even understand what a name change is? It doesn't matter which language, the name Astana will probably linger for a while because the change is recent. Moreover, people usually don't think about this country a lot, so acknowledging the change will take a while.--2001:16B8:31B6:9800:7DF5:64D4:3584:FF57 (talk) 13:13, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC - Requested revert to Astana 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: NOT MOVED. Pointy disruption; see this discussion. This closure is not intended to create prejudice against any properly justified RM, in future. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:55, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Nur-Sultan →  – „The arguments in favor of the proposal aren't based in policy while the opposes are.“ 
This is how the discussion about the Requested move of the article Allahabad to Prayagraj was decided a few days ago, meaning because there is much evidence that the name Allahabad still is being more often used in English language, the article's name on Wikipedia in accordance to the Wikipedia naming conventions should stay the old one, other arguments being not of enough interest.
Therefore this has to applied here as well, since Astana is the more used term in English sources. On the basis Google Scholar and Google Trends among others Tecumseh*1301 (talk) 17:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 8 October 2021 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: (non-admin closure) NOT MOVED User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 04:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Nur-Sultan →  – Astana is the more widely used Name in the English language Tecumseh*1301 (talk) 18:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Please provide evidence for this.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:15, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Comment  You speedy closed an identical RM by User:Tecumseh*1301 yesterday, what is going on here? 162 etc. (talk) 19:30, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: @162 etc. This is an aftermath of a failed RM at Talk:Allahabad#Requested move 20 September 2021, in which Tecumseh argued that, Astana is the common name and not Nur-Sultan and yet moved to Nur-Sultan. We advised Tecumseh that Allahabad's talk page is not the correct page for a discussion on whereabouts of Astana-Nur-Sultan, and asked to take the matter to respective pages. Thus these postings since yesterday. — DaxServer (talk to me) 21:02, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

text: WP:NAMECHANGES says "If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well".  The name change took place in March 2019, but the evidence from Google Scholar shows that many reliable sources written in 2020 and 2021 use continue to Astana, and that this is more common than Nur-Sultan.  So surely WP:NAMECHANGES supports Tecumseh*1301's proposal to change the article name back to Astana?-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:07, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Central Asia has been notified of this discussion. VR talk 14:04, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Cities has been notified of this discussion. Vpab15 (talk) 20:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Central Asia has been notified of this discussion. Vpab15 (talk) 20:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  The source uses both Nur-Sultan and Astana:  "for a place in the Nur-Sultan quarter-finals", "made to work hard during his Astana Open title defence", "reach the last eight in Nur-Sultan", "Watch highlights of Wednesday action at the Astana Open". -- Toddy1 (talk) 11:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would note that it uses "Astana" in reference to the tennis tournament (still called the "Astana Open"), and the location as "Nur-Sultan". BilledMammal (talk) 04:37, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 9 October 2021 

message: News sources parrot one another, just because News sources use "Nur- Sultan" doesn't make it widely used in the English language. I don't know if an assessment of word usage based on submitted research papers, periodicals, and any other written, published work widely available and searchable on the internet.  More importantly, the cities official name in Kazak documents and state functions has reverted to Astana.  Name another city that was named by the person in power that outlived them, and still is in effect.  Stalingrad anyone?   Nicholas V.I. DelCorpo (talk) 05:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you provide a source showing that the city's official name have reverted? Poketama (talk) 10:36, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: * I'm too waiting for updating. Kurmanbek (talk) 18:53, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Moved back to the current name. — kashmīrī TALK 19:43, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments from 12 January 2022 

message: a lot of the article reads like an advertisement, complete with lack of sources and over-detailed descriptions of the cities services and facilties. this would need the attention of someone more versed in writing city articles. 46.15.169.229 (talk) 17:02, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  badly written 

message: The article was already moved back to Astana, but on what basis? Tokayev approved a proposal for the name change but there is still a process for this name change to happen, so the city is still known as Nur-Sultan. Mellk (talk) 02:47, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The name change has been widely reported in international English-language press . Given the shortness of the period for which it was known as Nur-Sultan and its prior history as Astana, there is little reason to think that "Astana" will not be used as a common name moving forward, as persistence of old names tends to only happen when the prior name has a long history, or where the new name is controversial. signed, Rosguill talk 17:22, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I was not saying it would not become common name or possibly would not, I was saying it seemed a little premature (when it was moved on the 13th) because it was reported that the president agreed to a name change, but the name change did not happen yet. This was reflected in the reporting. Only today did this happen as he signed amendments. Regards. Mellk (talk) 20:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I recognize that now, having seen some reports of the Pope's visit a few days ago still referring to it as Nur Sultan. In my defense, most of the news reports available in English on the day it was announced used language that suggested that it had already gone into effect, and made no mention of the existence of a further process for finalizing the change. signed, Rosguill talk 21:09, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I did notice that as well with a couple articles I saw, but at this point it doesn't matter. At least there was not a surprise 180 on the issue. Mellk (talk) 21:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: , you seem to be in dispute with  about whether to include Bozok as an alternative name for the current city of Astana--based on the current article text, it seems like it was a prior settlement in a similar location, but not literally the same city. What sources inform your understanding that it is in fact an alternative name for the same city? signed, Rosguill talk 14:52, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bozok 

message: Hi, As far as I can see from Astana Akimat's social media accounts, the Astana coat of arms is now used as ASTANA written in Latin letters. In fact, it is written as "ASTANA" in the law named "On the definition and order of use of the symbols of Astana, the capital of the Republic of Kazakhstan". However, the user named @216.94.43.6 is constantly undoing the change. Now I think it's an ulterior motive. Kurmanbek (talk) 18:41, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it now. that's okay. undo my undos. 216.94.43.6 (talk) 19:48, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: no ulterior motive btw, you changed the logo with no reason or evidence and even the official website is not using what the law is stating. 216.94.43.6 (talk) 19:50, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  About coat of arms of Astana 

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message: An absolutely semi arid and not continental climate. From a person who have been to the city, and knows continental climate cities  דולב חולב (talk) 23:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone who knows Kazakhstan knows the big difference between the relatively wet Almaty with big trees, and nice parks to the dry Astana with barely any trees. For sure not trees that gan grow tall enough. דולב חולב (talk) 00:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate