Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (rockets)

message: ===Support===
#GW_Simulations|User Page | Talk | Contribs | E-mail 20:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What? How exactly is it predudicial? - Have you ever heared the Saturn V called a missile? How about the Space Shuttle, or the Zenit 3SL? --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 20:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Peacemaker missile, Polaris missile. Trident missile, Minuteman III missile, etc ad nauseum. The Saturn V is not a missile, but eliminating "MISSILE" is prejudicial to missiles. 132.205.45.148 23:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

text: * Agree.  --Serge 23:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poll to implement

message: #GW_Simulations|User Page | Talk | Contribs | E-mail 20:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: * Oppose the elimination of missile is prejudicial. 132.205.93.88 00:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What? How exactly is it predudicial? - Have you ever heared the Saturn V called a missile? How about the Space Shuttle, or the Zenit 3SL? --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 20:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Peacemaker missile, Polaris missile. Trident missile, Minuteman III missile, etc ad nauseum. The Saturn V is not a missile, but eliminating "MISSILE" is prejudicial to missiles. 132.205.45.148 23:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose

message: * It seems premature to decide what's best in advance without seeking input. Try restructuring this with approval voting after some discussion. --Dhartung | Talk 03:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * Agree.  --Serge 23:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: The need for disambiguation seems to be common for missiles and rockets and sometimes "rocket" or "missile" is included in the name, so it might be good to include them in all names. Also, it is much nicer to have rocket or missile on the end instead of in parentheses, in my opinion. I propose that all articles have missile or rocket after them without parentheses, depending on whether that particular rocket meets the definition of a missile or if it is just a rocket (see missile for the definitions). If a particular rocket is overwhelming called a missile, or vice versa, then perhaps the most common usage should be used, with a redirect made and a note somewhere in the article that it does not meet the definition of a missile, or in the reverse situation, that it is actually a type of rocket called a missile. If this is implemented, then I think that articles about rocket families should have "rocket family" or "rockets" in their names (preferably not in parenthese), since it seems weird to have rocket families have "rocket" or "missile" in their names. There may be some rare cases where we'll want to make exceptions on these rules, though. If this proposal is not accepted, I think there should be another proposal made, since I think a good, but imperfect, naming convention would be better than the current randomness. -- Kjkolb 01:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am yet to be convinced by unneccisary disambiguation, but it may be neccisary to reach a compromise in order to clean up the worst of this nonsense. I'm on the fence for now, but I will support this if the other option is no convention. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 19:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Using a parenthetic remark to disambiguate is the standard convention in Wikipedia for good reason: to clarify the name most commonly used to refer to the subject of the article from the disambiguation information.  Including "rocket" or "missle" in the title, without parentheses, implies that "rocket" or "missle" is part of the name of the rocket or missle.  That's misleading.  Those rockets with names that collide with other article subjects should be disambiguated (presumably with (rocket)); those that do not require disambiguation should have a title which is the name of the rocket only.    That's the clean, simple, consistent approach.  Otherwise, you have a mess.  --Serge 23:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I support your idea of using parentheses for disambiguation to make clear "rocket" or "missile" or whatever we will decide to use is not part of the name. // Duccio 11:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal 

message: I've started posting  on relevent talk pages. This can be used to keep readers of these pages up-to-date with the naming convention, let them know that discussion is taking place, and eventually can be turned into an RM template. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 22:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: A separate set of naming conventions already in existence: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Launch_vehicles#Naming_conventions.  Ingoolemo talk 21:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:LV]]