Talk:Arkham

message: You should update in the cabinet of curiosities it has an episode (#5) based on Arkham Massachusetts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:196:4A02:BD40:18F6:AD2:CD80:8E90 (talk) 00:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

message: The real-life model for Arkham seems to be, in fact, Salem [Massachusetts]
Several Lovecraft scholars have claimed to the contrary that Providence, Rhode Island, was the model for Arkham (and that Brown was the model for Miskatonic University).  I believe that S.T. Joshi is among them.  If you Google "arkham providence" you will pull a list including literally dozens of websites also claiming that Providence was the model for Arkham (although none cite the source of this allegation).  That said, I cannot immediately provide a specific attributable citation supporting Providence, but the Salem statement given above is — if not false — inaccurate and misleading. Canonblack 22:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Derleth is known for making up his own interpretations for many things concerning Lovecraft, so I wouldn't trust his opinions. Of course I'm sure Wikipedia likes him since he is a quotable source, but just saying... Also, I don't think if it's important, but I think Arkham at least doesn't 'replace' the real Providence in Lovercraft's world, since Providence and Brown University are mentioned in some of the stories alongside Arkham and Miskatonic. So Arkham is not intended to be the same place even if it's influenced by it. 85.157.76.57 (talk) 12:12, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Model for Arkham 

message: * The Arkham Asylum seen in The Sandman is the same as the one in Batman. Removed the Sandman entry and changed the Batman one to cover the DC Universe rather than that specific series.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mister Six (talk • contribs) 16:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Batman/Sandman

message: I wonder if some of the references being added are based on the article's topic, or just similarly named.  Eleven even (talk) 02:25, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Many of the uses under "Other appearances" have questionable links to Lovecraft's fiction, and some of them would also fail the criteria of notability.  The Arkham (disambiguation) article exists, and should be used to contain the notable entries.  This section should be trimmed considerably, or purged entirely as it's redundant to the disambig page. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 00:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: Does Lovecraft ever mention year of establishment, population, or such for Arkham? --Monstrim (talk) 00:01, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical/Geographical facts? 

message: The appearances section goes on at great length without citing any third party reliable sources. At best it's original research based on the interpretations of Wikipedia editors looking at various art and music. Needs to be deleted soon unless someone can cite sources. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:53, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconding, two years late.  It's an example farm clotted with trivia, weak and irrelevant examples, poor grammar and spelling.  It's now larger than the rest of the article.  Remove it all, lock the article.  That's the only way to prevent the fancruft dump. 12.233.147.42 (talk) 00:45, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced lists 

message: The songs "Arkham Asylum" (Ryan Adams) and "Escaping Arkham" (by Common Market) are listed on this page as if they are related to the subject of this article, Lovecraft's fictional town in Massachusetts. However, I would argue that they refer to the psychiatric prison called 'Arkham Asylum' from the Batman world. Arkham Asylum itself is rightly named on this page, since its name is apparently a reference to Lovecraft's fictional city. But since these two songs refer to the Batman location and not (directly) to the Lovecraft one, I would argue that they should be listed as references in the Arkham Asylum article instead.
Further info:
* In Arkham Asylum, Ryan Adams sings: "And Arkham Asylum has walls to keep us safe // Life just ain't designed to prevent every mistake // And every lock has its key and nobody ever really sleeps.", so I think it's pretty clear that he is referring to the psychiatric prison rather than to the fictional town.
* The lyrics to "Escaping Arkham" are a bit more cryptical, but after a quick Google search the lyrics and video appear to refer to the banking economy and their questionable (supposedly criminal?) actions in recent history. This, together with the word "escaping" in the title, seems to refer rather to a prison than to Lovecraft's fictional town. Also, somehow I think it's more likely that a hiphop group would take references from the world of Batman, than from Lovecraft. I'm not a 100% sure on this one though, maybe someone also has any clever thoughts. 
Greetings, RagingR2 (talk) 09:32, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: UPDATE: Also, arguably some references to the DC Comics / Batman world could be removed from this article, in the light of redundancy. For instance, the games Arkham Asylum/City/Origins are now mentioned both under Comics and under Games. I think this is both redundant AND wrongly suggests that these games refer directly to Lovecraft, while (as is the case with the two songs mentioned above) they refer to the location in the DC Comics universe instead. Then there is another reference to Arkham Asylum under film/television, and then another one under See Also. I think it would be sufficient to have one mention of the fact that Arkham Asylum is inspired on Lovecraft, and remove all other references to the Arkham Asylum article. You could place the mention in this article under the category Comics, since Batman is originally a comic character, AND since Arkham Asylum was also first mentioned in a (1974) comic. Greetings, RagingR2 (talk) 09:46, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songs "Arkham Asylum" and "Escaping Arkham" 

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message: It strikes me as strange that so many different weird things in this universe seem to cluster in or around Arkham that seem to be completely unrelated. Is this a massive coincidence, is there a reason for this, or is it assumed that everywhere is pretty much like Arkham and that the stories just happen to focus on Arkham for no reason?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.61.180.106 (talk) 18:26, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why everything centres on Arkham 

message: I wasn't enthusiastic about doing it. It's very well-done and inspired by a genuine regard for Lovecraft's art. But he, out of respect for living people, didn't locate his fiction in a spot correlating to real life. The vast majority of Lovecraft fans are good people with the decency and common sense not to scour the real places they imagine Lovecraft's works to be set. But there's also a movement to do just the opposite and the last thing people who move in and through these spaces need is a pack of fantasy-inspired randos popping out of the shrubbery. Clearly, removing this map won't stop said randos, but Wikipedia's mission is not to encourage them. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 04:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why I removed the map of Lovecraft Country