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Talk:Henry II, Duke of Guise

message: Please see Talk:Henry III of France#Why the anglicized "Henry"? — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:10, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry versus Henri 
Talk:Thomas de Mahy, Marquis de Favras

message: "Upon the reading of his death warrant, he remarked, "I see that you have made three spelling mistakes."[2][3][4]"
The sources given for this claim are all anecdotal. None cite a contemporary source. None are in French. All are worthless as history.
They are sufficient to show that this anecdote was being said *about* the Marquis by the late 19th century. They do not show that the event actually occurred. There appears to be no evidence that this statement is anything other than fiction. The earliest reference I can find is in a story by Alexandre Dumas, La Comtesse de Charny (1853), which, however, describes it differently: 
Le testament dicté, monsieur de Favras demanda à le lire et à le signer.
On lui délia les mains; il lut le testament, corrigea trois fautes d'orthographe qu'avait faites le greffier, et signa au bas de chaque page : «Mahi de Favras.» 
Note that (a) the event described is Favras correcting three spelling errors, not remarking on them and (b) that this is not history but fiction, in which, by artistic license, the author is entitled to add imaginative details "to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative."RandomCritic (talk) 14:59, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor Sourcing
Talk:John II of Brienne, Count of Eu

message: I would suggest that you would offer the most correct spelling of this man, and as well as that of his relatives, as "de Brienne", and his given name as Jean", since these changes would mirror sites that do use this spelling.96.19.158.71 (talk) 16:51, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested spelling of this subject as well as other related persons.
Talk:Isabella Eugénie Boyer

message: Source for Isabelle's 2nd and 3rd marriage is the article "Nicolaas Reubsaet" in the Dutch book "Sittardse cultuurdragers 1299-1999". Nicolas was Reubsaet's actual first name, but Victor can probably be considered his artist name. At least one of his titles was false, maybe both. This article is therefore not likely to deserve the support of the 'Royalty and nobility work group'. (Not that I care... ;-) Brandenburger (talk) 11:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Isabella's 2nd and 3rd marriage 
Talk:Claude, Duke of Aumale

message: Hi  thanks for rating the article I wrote. What areas are deficient that holds this back from being B class? Sovietblobfish (talk) 00:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello. You're welcome. I'm working on cutting the large backlog of articles (more than 44 thousand) that have not yet received a rating. I didn't take the time needed to run a full checklist for a B rating. It seems my quick C rating did trigger the MilHistBot account to give a B rating for its project, however, so I've done the same for the others. —ADavidB 22:58, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: that's a large backlog, best of luck! Sovietblobfish (talk) 23:00, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rating
Category talk:Hybrid open access journals

message: Unfortunately hybrid open access journals are not a class of open access journals, they are journals that are not open access except for a few articles. It would be more logical if other terminology were used, but it isnt. there is no commonly agreed term forthe general class, and the lists of open access journals very emphatically do not include hybrid open access journals.  At the present, hybrid oajs are almost entirely non-oa content, the highest I know of  is PNAS, at 20%. So keeping the current categories would be misleading as well. 
The narrow meaning for OAj is fixed by external standards (the Berlin and Budapest declarations) and cannot be changed by use contrary to the real world. So a more general term must be found.--but I do not know one. Possibilities are:
*Journals with at least some open access ?. 
*Journals with open access articles
*Journals with some or all open access articles
Unfortunately, this leaves out delayed open access journals, where the open access is not immediate. These are also absolutely excluded by the outside standards, and he above terms do not work--leaving perhaps
*Journals with open content -- which is at least neutral. 
It will undoubtedly need to be changed sometime in the near future, but it is the best I can do for now. I intend to make the change sunday night.  Logic loses again. DGG 04:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:Hugh X of Lusignan

message: According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, Who's Who in Early Medieval England, and the Penguin Historical Atlas of the Medieval World, it was Hugh IX who was engaged to Isabella of Angouleme when she was persuaded to marry King John instead (Penguin says she was "abducted"). Also according to the Encyclopedia, Isabella married Hugh X (son of Hugh IX) after John's death.Beee3 (talk) 18:13, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification re Engagement to Isabella of Angouleme
Talk:Marie Carré

message: The long rambling quote which takes up about a quarter of the article space can be referenced but to quote it within the article like this only serves to push one viewpoint over another. It should go, with the authors viewpoint trimmed and referenced as an example of people who don't believe that the manuscript is authentic. As it stands now even with my added references the article's views on the book are biased. Dwain (talk) 22:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree that the quote is too long since I would argue that it provides a comprehensive history and criticism of Anti-Apostle 1025 that the article previously lacked but I agree that we must find a quote from a non-fringe person (ideally a historian or journalist) who believes that the manuscript is authentic in order for the article to be more balanced. That being said, you must provide a reliable source that specifically claims that the Archbishop Wieglus spy scandal is "evidence that backs up the truth of assertions stated in the book published by Carré" otherwise it is original research. The fact that "the governments of both Vietnam and China appoint their own Catholic priests and bishops" is completely irrelevant. --Loremaster (talk) 22:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I've edited your contribution to be as neutral and factual as possible. Please provide a reliable source for the sentence linking the Archbishop Wieglus spy scandal to Anti-Apostle 1025 to finish the job. If we cooperate rather than engage in an edit war while accusing each other of biais (aren't you a self-described Conservative Catholic Christian accused of Wiki abuse?), we could turn Marie Carré into a good article. --Loremaster (talk) 23:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote 

message: I don't understand why the book "AA-1025" is presented here as a non-fiction document. It is openly described as fictionalised by the author herself. It is essentially based on the unproven claims of Bella Dodd. The criticism by the chairman of the Latin Mass Society, Joseph Shaw is perhaps more illuminating than either Miesel's neoconservative ethnocentrism or Alice von Hildebrand's 'Murica Fuck Yeah Cold War promotion of the book. Shaw mentions that even in communist countries, like Poland and Hungary, where actual compromises existed between the clergy and state, the doctrine of the Church remained more orthodox than in the liberal West and that in regards to the Russian Orthodox Church, which worked closely with the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, no moved were made to change the traditional liturgy there. In China, the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association, does not even recognise the Second Vatican Council and celebrated the Tridentine Mass into the 1980s. We should mention this in the article. Claíomh Solais (talk) 21:11, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Commies are Coming
Talk:Gérard de Lally-Tollendal

message: WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 13:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter|Biography assessment rating]] comment 

message: 1. Lally-Tolendal, Trophime-Gérard, marquis de, 1751-1830. Mémoire de m. le comte de lally-tollendal, ou seconde lettre a ses commettans. France: ; 1790. http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000602038.
2. Lally-Tolendal T, marquis de, Gifford J. A defence of the french emigrants : Addressed to the people of france. ; 1797. http://hdl.handle.net/2027/yale.39002005692471.
3. Judicial affairs. http://voltpe.free.fr/page1.html.
4. Sean Ryan. The lally wild geese. http://indigo.ie/~wildgees/lally.htm. Updated 2002.
5. Alan Garric. Trophime gerard de lally- tollendal. Geneanet Web site. http://gw.geneanet.org/garric?lang=en&p=trophime+gerard&n=de+lally+tollendal.
6. Wedderburn, Alexander Dundas Ogilvy, 1854. The wedderburn book, a history of the wedderburns in the counties of berwick, and forfar. ; 1898. http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001597968.
7. Ian Davidson. Voltaire in exile. . 2006.
8. Henry Morse Stephens, ed. A history of the french revolution, volume 1. Scribner; 1905; No. 1.
9. Trophime gerard de lally-tollendal. http://www.academie-francaise.fr/les-immortels/trophime-gerard-de-lally-tollendal.
10. Hanson PR. The A to Z of the french revolution. Vol 23. Blue Ridge Summit: Scarecrow Press; 2007. http://lib.myilibrary.com?ID=510738.
Hope to get some feedback from not only you but the wiki community. Can't wait to work on this! Nmateo1997 (talk) 20:00, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: References
Talk:Baseball at the 1996 Summer Olympics

message: Coach?
Who was the coach?  Skip Bertman's page says he was.  I know Wikipedia can't reference itself, but I think this information would be relevent if someone could find a source (perhaps check the souce citing it on his page).  Also, I think a "bracket" style listing of the games would be easier to understand than the current list of games/scores.  I don't think the inning-by-inning breakdown of runs is nessecery, especially considering this event occurred 15 years ago.
Thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.169.69.26 (talk) 19:00, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Talk:Henri de Talleyrand-Périgord, comte de Chalais

message: Please see Talk:Henry III of France#Why the anglicized "Henry"? — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:13, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henri versus Henry
Talk:Devon Energy

message: Sinopec Enters U.S. Shale JANUARY 4, 2012 Wall Street Journal by ANGEL GONZALEZ and RYAN DEZEMBER; excerpt ... 
See Talk:Shale oil extraction#potential resource.  99.190.80.182 (talk) 08:23, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  resource
Talk:Stanislas Marie Adélaïde, comte de Clermont-Tonnerre

message: Histoire Généalogique et Héraldique des Paris de France, Courcelles, 1826
La Famille des Clermont-Tonnerre, de Gramont, E., 1950
Vincentleone (talk) 01:25, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography
Talk:Louis Joseph, Duke of Guise

message: This "stub" has been expanded about as much as it can be.Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 20:15, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: STUB gone

message: The coat of arms are wrong. This is the coat of arms of the dukes of Lorraine, the elder branch. The House of Lorraine-Guise had this coat of arms with a red label.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.226.245.146 (talk) 15:37, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Coat of Arms
Talk:Marie Angélique de Scorailles

message: The English in this article is appalling and it desperate needs a full rewrite. I don't have enough knowledge on the subject to do this competently myself. Could anyone help? Pandorasinbox (talk) 18:48, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite?

message: Where did the writer get this incredibly  inept and incomprehensible phrase? " it seemed to "eat her reign at a time"
100.15.120.122 (talk) 23:09, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHAT????
Talk:Bruno d'Harcourt

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved to Bruno d'Harcourt. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 17:58, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Bruno, Count of Harcourt →  – Surname is left out of the article's name for no apparent reason, that's not the case on his father's page and we don't do this on other pages where the noble title is derived from a surname, at least not to my knowledge. Killuminator (talk) 22:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 6 September 2023
Talk:Hugh I, Count of Ponthieu

message: Our only remotely contemporary source for information about this Hugh is the 1088 chronicle of Hariulf, chronicler of Saint-Riquier, which says nothing about his parents or other ancestry, and gives no basis for a supposed birthdate of "c. 970". The idea that he was the son of a count of Ponthieu named Hildouin by a woman called Hersende de Montreuil is entirely fanciful; it persists only due to its endless promulgation in amateur geneologies. As Hariulf the chronicler himself says, Hugh never called himself "Count of Ponthieu"; his son Enguerrand was the first to adopt that title. There is also basically no evidence that this particular Hugh was the "Hugo I" who married Gisela, daughter of Hugh Capet, but I've left that claim untouched because so many historians have accepted it. pnh (talk) 11:02, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]
Talk:Raymond D. Fowler

message: An expert is needed to put the Italian dispute in context. Also, the Forum section should be abbreviated.71.235.202.144 04:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good points.  Smeelgova 04:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lacks context

message: Is this the same Raymond Fowler who was a prominent Ufologist in the New England area for many years? If so, why is that not mentioned in this biography - if it is the same person then his ufological work should certainly be noted. Even if this is a different Raymond Fowler, this article still lacks many of the features of a credible biography - there's little background information (birthdate, education, etc.) and almost the entire article consists of his relationship to the Landmark Organization. The article badly needs to be rewritten and improved.
:Different person. Phil Sandifer (talk) 15:23, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: UFO Investigator?

message: Raymond Fowler was APA's chief executive officer when a controversy erupted (in the Spring and Summer 1999) over the publication of a difficult, jargon-ladened meta-analysis in the Psychological Bulletin.
See Rind et al. controversy for details about the controversy.
Dr. Fowler, at first, defended the controversial study and its publication, but then, apparently under tremendous pressure to keep the Congress from condemning the APA along with the controversial article, Dr. Fowler gave in and compromised with Congress. Congress gives a lot of grant money for research, and Dr. Fowler had a responsibility to researchers to keep Congress from cutting off research money. The Congress, in turn, was under tremendous pressure from social conservatives, the religious right, and a radio talk show host, Dr. Laura, to condemn the paper.
The controversy is well documented. Here are a few relevant citations to get an interested editor started. I don't personally have time or interest for this edit.
title = APA defends stance against the sexual abuse of children | date = 1999-07-01 | volume = 30 | issue = 7 | last = Martin | first = S | journal = APA Monitor}}
An entire special issue of the American Psychologist covers the controversy in retrospect:
American Psychologist Vol.  57, No.  3, March 2002
--Radvo (talk) 04:37, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Fowler's involvement in a controversy at the APA. 
Talk:Thomas Gilcrease

message: This article meets the requirements for class C. Bruin2 (talk) 18:11, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Article reassessed

message: They pronounce the G in Gilcrease as in gin or as in give? Wwwilli (talk) 15:45, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: G as in give. Wwwilli (talk) 20:53, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation
Talk:Louis Friant

message: Incomplete isn't it? Only goes up to 1795. Any reason why? Friant was , I believe, one of Marshal Davout's best sub-commanders in III Corps and fought hard at Auerstadt, eg. Summitscribbler, 10/5/07, 14:30
:Agreed --AW 21:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled
Talk:Élie, duc Decazes

message: Élie Decazes was NOT the duc DE Decazes. He was the duc Decazes. In the Peerage of France, family names (unless dependent on the name of a fiefdom) were not given the extra "de" in between the rank and the name associated with the rank. Decazes is a family name and not a fiefdom. Because of this no "de" was included in his new title. A similar case in point is Hortense Mancini. Her husband was specifically made the duc Mazarin and not duc de Mazarin because Mazarin was a family name and not the name of an appanage. The title of this article needs to be moved. BoBo (talk) 23:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: His title was not duc DE Decazes
Talk:Anadarko Basin

message: This article is well above Stub class.I think it merits a Class C rating. Also, in my opinion, the content deserves a High importance rating.I have marked it so for WP:Oklahoma. Bruin2 (talk) 01:04, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Article reassessment
Talk:Eudokia Komnene, Lady of Montpellier

message: Added clean-up tag. The page has incorrect parentage which I do not have knowledge to fix. It has confised the Evdokia who marries William of Montpellier with another Evdokia according to: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/gen-medieval/2002-07/1027945647.
BSkliarWard (talk) 17:56, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks as though no parentage is certain. The possibilities are set out at the Medlands site. So, yes, the article does need revising to make clear how much doubt exists. Andrew Dalby 09:54, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

text: And now the page says in the lede that her parentage is unknown, then in the first sentence of the body proceeds to say exactly what her parentage is (the version given is just one person's opinion, not scholarly consensus). Obviously, this is an internal inconsistency. Agricolae (talk) 17:41, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You have now made some improvements yourself. Thank you! Without immediately realising this, I altered the lead in two ways: one by changing "niece" to "relative". I think that's not controversial. The other was by removing the last clause which said that her parentage is uncertain. It's true, obviously, but it was immediately followed by your revised paragraph which says the same thing, so, in reading, it seemed unnecessary to say it twice. At a quick read, the word "relative" already expresses the uncertainty. But if you disagree with this change, feel free to restore the missing words! Andrew Dalby 09:08, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I commented here before I knew if I could dig out a citable source for (one of) the alternatives. There is a Szabolcs de Vajay paper that goes into the sources in some detail, but I don't know where I filed it, and I think the source I added is following his solution, so it may be superfluous.  Your modifications are fine. Agricolae (talk) 23:31, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Parentage
Talk:Herluin de Conteville

message: The father of Herluin de Conteville may have been Earl Jean de Conteville. I don't know who his mother was. King Robert II (of France) isn't likely to have been Herluin's father. I don't think he had any surviving children with Bertha of Burgundy. (a.windemere@gmail.com)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.177.248 (talk) 16:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that King Robert II of France is the father of Herluin de Conteville.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by GeneralRichey23 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You maybe right, and I think I know how to prove that. Robert's second wife is Bertha. Since Herluin was a lepered, that's probably why he didn't succeded to the throne of France, just like Pepin the Hunchback, son of Charlemagne.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emperor00 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel the father of Herluin de Conteville is this Osmond de Conteville that I've been finding research about, since we know that Jean de Conteville, may not exist I think we should set up a page that, talks about both Osmond and Jean. --DeConteville00 (talk) 05:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The first paragraph gives 1066 as his death date; the death category gives 1087. Which is correct?--FeanorStar7 (talk) 00:30, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed, I think (1066). A certain amount of dubious genealogy has been spun around purported descents from Herluin, it seems, plus the article tends to get attacked by User:Burkem socks; hopefully things are reasonably well shored up now. Choess (talk) 01:09, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Death date discrepancy
Talk:Charles, Duke of Vendôme

message: Did he ever hold this title? I thought Francis I confiscated it after the death of Suzanne de Bourbon. Michaelsanders 11:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, he didn't. According to Velde, it was confiscated in 1527 at the Duke's death. It was recreated the same year for Louise of Savoy, who died a few years later, then in 1544 for Charles II de Valois, Duke of Orléans  (d. 1545), 1566 for the future Henry III of France, and in 1661 to the Condé. Choess 16:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Duke of Bourbon

message: This Charles III, Duke of Bourbon was married to Suzanne and fought at Marignano. I have removed the information that pertains to that Charles de Bourbon. If a reference is found that places Charles of Bourbon, Duke of Vendôme at the battle of Marignano, then it should be restored. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:20, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Charles de Bourbon
Talk:Geoffrey II of Vendôme

message: Facts about geoffrey II 2A02:C7C:60EA:B200:20F2:595C:3375:55F2 (talk) 15:46, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Why was he involved in the crusade? 2A02:C7C:60EA:B200:20F2:595C:3375:55F2 (talk) 15:46, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  History
Talk:Henry I, Count of Bar

message: I've noticed that a number of articles like give the date "4 October 1190" for the Battle of Acre, which occurred within a month or so of the arrival of many Crusader reinforcements. The siege of Acre by Guy de Lusignan began on 28 August 1189, and within days, reinforcements began arriving from the West. It was at that time that French and Flemish reinforcements arrived, led by Jacques d'Avesnes, Henri I Count de Bar, Erard Count de Brienne, his brother André de Brienne, Robert II de Dreux, and his brother Philippe de Dreux. 
Every published source I have in my library says the battle began on 4 October 1189. Even the Wikipedia article about the "Siege of Acre" states that the battle took place on 4 October 1189. Why do so many Wikipedia articles place the date one full year later, in 1190? PGNormand (talk) 18:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Acre, 1189 or 1190? 

message: Please see Talk:Henry III of France#Why the anglicized "Henry"? — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:13, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry versus Henri