Talk:Clique Girlz

message: Plus guys get they're album called "NOT TOO YOUNG" coming out  JULY 22, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.189.84 (talk • contribs)  01:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voices/Album 

message: There was some debate about whether the Clique Girls opened for Demi Lovato. They are listed here as "opening for Demi Lovato" 27 June 2008 at Six Flags Great Adventure (NJ). By contrast, they were "performing with Demi Lovato" 8 June at Six Flags Over Georgia. —C.Fred (talk) 14:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening for Demi Lovato 

message: ok we need to make the page have the girlz last names, and each one should have their own page, Agreed?
-(Mini no ipod (talk) 01:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The girls should not have individual pages. They are not notable (at this time) outside the context of the group. —C.Fred (talk) 01:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Also, the last names are mentioned in the intro. Since two of them share a last name, it's easier to use first names for all the later references. —C.Fred (talk) 01:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

text: They are not notable enough for their own articles. As for the search issue, that's why "Paris Monroe" is the more effective search term. (Her full name is mentioned in the infobox, so a search on it should lead to this article.) —C.Fred (talk) 16:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

text: But who are the Royal Girlz? If they aren't notable themselves, there's no need to mention them in this article. Further, who's making the comparisons? —C.Fred (talk) 16:59, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last Names 

message: this article references Lenore Monroe as the "self-proclaimed manager" when she is their official manager. Can we please remove the "self-proclaimed" part to Lenore Monroe is the Clique Girlz'manager? 
here is a source that refers to her as their manager: http://www.whatteenswant.com/whatteens/info/agenda.jsp
:That site doesn't look like a reliable source, so the info should stay the same until a better source can be found. Edgehead5150 03:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:Reliable sources has the content guidelines for reliable sources. Note that verifiability is important, so if the content isn't published, it may not pass muster for inclusion. —C.Fred (talk) 01:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "self-proclaimed manager" is the manager 

message: "After a four year run with the Clique Girlz, Ariel Moore has decided to leave the group and their management. Over the next few weeks more details are bound to come out, although initially it looks as if she’s looking to do something new. So what does the future hold? Ariel will be pursuing a solo career, writing and recording with some of the best in the business as well as experimenting with her sound. As for the Clique Girlz debut release Incredible, we’ll just have to wait and see?"
http://tommy2.net/content/?p=2245
Credible, established relationship with this act.
http://tommy2.net/content/hotlinecliquegirlz.php  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.116.107 (talk) 09:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: do you have a reliable source for this info? A Blog from Tommy2.net doesn't seem reliable. --Edgehead5150 10:27, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

text: The boston.com story—which does nothing to support Moore leaving the group—calls tommy2 a "tween website" in a trivial mention of it. (Although it does quote an editor.) Neither a glowing nor damning reference about the site. —C.Fred (talk) 23:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

text: 66.41.116.107 the website you listed used a blog for it's info, and as we all know blogs are not reliable sources. So until the group confirms that she's leaving or a reliable source can be found, she is still a member of the group. Edgehead5150 09:24, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

text: is this video BY Ariel Moore proof enough? Here Ariel is directly saying she left the group!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6roMYmJCToQ)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.149.25.194 (talk) 05:14, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is exactly the proof that we needed. Something from her saying that she left the group. I updated a few things on the page after watching the video, but don't know what we should do with Ariel's section in the page.  Edgehead5150 08:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Not me, First, blogs are usually NOT reliable sources on Wikipedia as it clearly states here. Second, the proof came from a video of HER not from the blog. Third, SIGN your posts. --Edgehead5150 04:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

text: No the blog wasn't a reliable source. You can think that blog was the reliable source all you want, but fact is nothing about her leaving was added until she made that video. So the way i see it the wikipdedia community agreed with me that the blog wasn't reliable. Edgehead5150 08:39, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Further, Wikipedia isn't exactly journalism. For breaking stories, there's Wikinews. As an encyclopedia, WIkipedia errs on the side of verified facts over breaking news and questionable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 17:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes the blog was the fist to report the news, but the video of her is more reliable, which is why we used it and not the blog for the source. And i never said that the video of her "broke the news".  So lets just forget it already. --Edgehead5150 05:20, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arial Moore has left the group 

message: The gossip sites are awash today with speculation of who the new member is. However, remember that Wikipedia articles must be verifiable, and tabloids and gossip sites are not reliable sources. Only once a reliable source reports on the new member can it be included in the article—and the source must be cited in the addition. —C.Fred (talk) 12:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a source for the new member and have re-added her to the current members section on the infobox. I didn't add any info about her to the "Current Members" section of the article because i couldn't find any info about her. --FrehleySpace Ace 13:24, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New member? 

message: It looks like Sara has left the group. Sara has been removed from all the groups sites and the "Meet The Girls" section of their website now reads: "Destinee and Paris Monroe make up the pop-rock teen sensation Clique Girlz". So i've moved all of Sara's info to the former members sections. —FrehleySpace Ace 21:27, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sara Diamond 

message: The content of this article was moved here when Clique Girlz evolved into Destinee & Paris. Does the history of the group as Clique Girlz warrant a separate article? It seems just as efficient to have it all here. —C.Fred (talk) 20:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If Clique Girlz has a separate article, though, can Destinee & Paris stand on its own as an article? Clique Girlz meets WP:BAND, but I don't see where Destinee & Paris does. —C.Fred (talk) 14:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Destinee & Paris song, "I'm On A Roll," from the official soundtrack to the Disney movie, "Despicable Me," fulfills item #10 from WP:BAND, "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc." Crowdsurftn (talk) 00:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

text: It's even worse that this article reads like a promotional piece for them and not an encyclopedia article. —C.Fred (talk) 14:56, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

text: Please read the earlier deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Destinee & Paris.  - TexasAndroid (talk) 20:31, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split Clique Girlz into a separate article? 

message: Several additional references were added, for a total of 12.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasmith1990 (talk • contribs) 06:32, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Half of the sources aren't independent: they're the group's MySpace page, label bio, Amazon product listing, etc. The remainder are all passing references or just photos. I do not see substantial coverage in independent reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 14:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Issues 

message: This article is incredibly poorly written. Reading it, it sounds as if it might have been written by a promoter or something like that. While obviously I can't prove that, the fact remains that the grammar and the wording of this article need great improvement. Some examples:
"...The name of the group was changed to Clique Girlz due to there was already a group called "Clique" On March 28, 2008..." [poor sentence structure, also note missing period]
"Though she has a thick passion for cooking, she is a vegetarian." [thick?]
"Her favorite singer is Mika, and her favorite Power Puff girl is Bubbles.[21] and she also plays the piano. [3]" [What relevance does this have? Also, "and she also plays the piano" is a fragment, and not capitalized in any event.]
"Her symbol is a star because when she was little she had something in her eye and her mom said it was a star." [incredibly poorly worded and, again, relevance?]
I would have made the necessary changes myself, but the article is full of them, and frankly, updating the article of a fifth-rate cookie-cutter teen-pop girl group for grammar isn't worth my Wikipedia editing time. I just wanted to put this out there.
136.183.64.153 (talk) 21:01, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who wrote this thing? 

message: See Talk:Destinee & Paris. They're opening for Britney Spears on an international tour and starting to get some coverage. Any objections if the D&P content is moved to a separate article? —C.Fred (talk) 21:35, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split Destinee & Paris? 

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