Talk:Birkenhead

message: This section is a plug and simply reproduces claims made in a press release by Peel Holidngs. Hardly any of it is commonly agreed fact. If nobody objects, I'll delete it.86.139.105.200 (talk) 21:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Future

message: Do you think that Bidston Observatory, Bidston Windmill and the lighthouse at the seaward end of Bidston Hill worth including ? I haven't lived in Birkenhead since the middle 60's so don't know if they still exist
:Yes, I think as much as possible should be included. All those buildings are still there.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.4.84 (talk) 21:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Historic buildings

message: How about...
*Science & Technology - The John Moores University telescopics construction at Twelve Quays. 
*The Arts - Incorporate the writers, actors, artists, musicians, etc.
What are the opinions of others, any other ideas?
EP111 14:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about Birkenhead Brewery - apparently it used to make the best Pale Ale in the world! Two of its buildings are still standing - Marriott's Motorcycles and the one by Hamilton Square Railway Station. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.4.84 (talk) 21:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: More Categories?

message: The notion of the 'Birkenhead Urban Area' is new to me.  The 2001 population of this area of 319,675 actually consists of:
* Bebington 57,066
* Birkenhead 83,729
* Greasby/Moreton 53,905
* Wallasey 58,710
I think that the population quoted should just be that of 'real' Birkenhead ie 83,729, otherwise we have to expand the article to include all these other places. Agreed? JMcC 13:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  The "urban areas" as defined by the Office for National Statistics are at best strange, and at worst ludicrous (e.g. their "Liverpool urban area" excludes Kirkby but includes Haydock).  --RFBailey 13:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: Is there any compelling reason why the Welsh name for Birkenhead should be included in this article, and why the first occurrence of Liverpool should also have its Welsh name included? If there are, I will add them again, but I could see no justification offered for including them, and given that Birkenhead has never been in Wales to my knowledge (nor has Liverpool), there seemed no reason why their Welsh names were included.  DDStretch  (talk) 18:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't think of a good reason. Several towns in England have Welsh names, including Rhydychen, but if you want to know what they are, you can easily follow the link to the "Cymraeg" Wikipedia. Myopic Bookworm 09:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Perhaps the problem with mentioning the Welsh name is the prominence that it has been given in this article in the past. I do not think that it is sufficiently significant to appear in the intro. It would be a bit like introducing the article on Germany with a mention that its Swedish name is Tyskland. Since you claim there are many Welsh connections, a section on this aspect (properly referenced of course) would be a good place.JMcC (talk) 12:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We had this discussion some time ago, and the consensus was that it should be mentioned where and if relevant, but probably not in the introduction. Birkenhead and Liverpool were among those places which were heavily populated by Welsh people in the 19th century (including my ancestors) - another was Chester.  The Welsh name for Birkenhead is currently mentioned under Culture, because the Welsh national Eisteddfod was held in Birkenhead in 1917 and that appears, at present, to be the most appropriate place to mention it.  If the History section is expanded to cover the story of Birkenhead's economic and demographic expansion in the 19th century, it could alternatively go there.  The Welsh Wikipedia entry on Penbedw (Birkenhead) is accessible through the Cymraeg link in the left hand column.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Welsh names for this place and Liverpool

message: I have removed Birkenhead School and Birkenhead High School from this article as they do not fit in this article due to geographical location. It even says that they are in Oxton on the article, so just because their name is Birkenhead does not mean that they exist in that area. TehPoep 15:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I assure you that Oxton is part of Birkenhead. Changes reversed. JMcC 16:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree with JMcC. On this point, it occurs to me that the different areas within Birkenhead which have their own separate articles - Oxton, Prenton, Tranmere, Rock Ferry etc. - should be identified more clearly within this article. I know there is a list at the end, but more clarity within the article itself would be useful - as is done in Wallasey, for example.  Only reason I mention this is that I won't be able to do it myself for a few days!  Ghmyrtle 16:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Education

message: As suggested I added a section on Birkenhead's districts but found that they were already in the section called "Governance".  Changing this is tricky without duplicating or confusing.  The problem is that local government reorgansiation is blurring the boundaries of the town somewhat. Is the article about the entity that was originally called Birkenhead, or is it about the entity that exists today?  JMcC 19:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that it's the only article about anything called Birkenhead (other than places far, far away), I would say that it should be covering both.  I'd be tempted to take the pre-1974 County Borough boundaries as a formal definition of what constitutes Birkenhead (if anyone knows what they are), if need be (although that may upset the residents of Upton!).  --RFBailey 21:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The current ward boundaries are at .  On the definitions there, "Birkenhead" seems to be applied only to the original centre of the town and not the "suburbs" - but certainly my understanding (admittedly originating from the time when there was a County Borough) is that the name covers the whole of the old borough area and this article should do likewise - with brief paras and "see also" for the constituent parts like Oxton etc.  Ghmyrtle 22:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Districts of Birkenhead

message: Hello everyone, I hope this isn't considered spam but it seemed like a suitable place to ask around and see if there might be people here who would be interested in supporting and contributing to a Wikiproject focusing on Merseyside. I'm trying to gauge if there is suitable interest before making a formal proposal. Cheers Zenichiro (talk) 20:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Merseyside 

message: Please see this request for info. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 15:37, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Midget sub 

message: Mum has just published a (in my view) pretty good and well researched book on the history of Birkenhead Birkenhead A History: Elizabeth Davey I'm reluctant to mention it in the article as it looks too much like self (well family) promotion but I thought I'd flag it up as I'm not sure what the right protocol is. Francis Davey (talk) 21:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If it useful for good references, and you believe it is reliable, then I see no problem. After all somebody has to write these histories. We may be able to get rid of the fact tag that has appeared. JMcC (talk) 08:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History reference 

message: Is the Beechwood estate not a district? I'm not sure Babydoll9799 (talk) 02:32, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose it depends on what you mean by a district and what you mean by Birkenhead. Birkenhead grew in the 19th and 20th centuries engulfing many old parishes and hamlets such as Bidston. This is how most of the districts in the area were named. Beechwood Estate(formerly the Ford Estate) is a large development in Bidston which was part of the old county borough of Birkenhead. Certainly it is a fairly well-defined area, with its own community groups and reputation, but it doesn't have any historical identity. I can't imagine a Wikipedia article on it, like the other longer-established districts, but I could be wrong! Nor does it have a status on its own in current local government in Wirral because it is in the ward of Bidston and St James. In my opinion it is a housing estate. I am just an occasional visitor to the area these days so I hope someone will correct me if I am out of date. JMcC (talk) 12:23, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's part of Bidston then fair enough. Just wondered if there was a case for a page. Babydoll9799 (talk) 19:12, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

text: If there is material that is notable, go ahead. JMcC (talk) 20:54, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

text: Just to note on Wikimedia Beechwood is given a page on its own, along with district signs (for Beechwood). Does this help? Babydoll9799 (talk) 14:28, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Beechwood

message: Just thought i would bring it to the talk page that there are one or two editors trying to rewrite the town of Birkenhead by saying districts are not part of the town. Notably Woodchurch and Oxton. Babydoll9799 (talk) 19:34, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The article should contain all that was Birkenhead as well all that now is. Similarly the article on the British Empire should not just be about Bermuda, Falklands etc JMcC (talk) 18:29, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Birkenhead districts

message: Re:  and "I don't see why a link is needed to an obscure reference work that does add any additional information."
: It is a different point of view, from the U.S. 100 years ago.  How it summarizes the information I think is interesting.  There is an intermediate population figure which I don't see elsewhere.  It is comforting that it confirms the trend noted in the History section.  I don't think it is needed, but I think it is useful.  The Wikisource 1911 Britannica has a Birkenhead article at this point ().  It is more elaborate, but it hasn't been proofread at this point, and I don't think it is ready for posting.  And there is that big blank spot with no in-line links. Library Guy (talk) 19:27, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is something of interest in NSRW to add to the article on Birkenhead, then add it to the main body of the text and use NSRW as a reference. Some where in Wikipedia's standards is the statement that WP is not a "link farm". JMcC (talk) 19:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

text: Yes I've heard this policy.  I like the different points of view provided by the external links.  Other people seem to as well. A little link farming seems useful.  It can be abused of course.  I see two other links to sister projects in the "External links" section of this article.  I think Wikisource (another sister project) also has things to offer to people interested in Birkenhead, and would like to give notice.  In addition to NSRW and the half-baked EB1911 article, there is also Nuttall:   Not quite as obscure, and it also has a population figure, but it is very brief.  Library Guy (talk) 19:56, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  NSRW on [[Birkenhead]] 

message: An anonymous editor  (previously anonymous) keeps seeking to remove any mention of Ellesmere Port from the ONS-defined urban area.  I keep reverting them. The issue is not whether Ellesmere Port is "really" part of the Birkenhead urban area or not.  The issue is whether ONS define it as part of the Birkenhead urban area - which they do.  The criteria for the ONS definition may seem strange, but they are logical - based on the distance between built-up areas, which can be treated as contiguous.  What should remain in this article is the definition of the Birkenhead urban area as it is defined by ONS, not what any individual thinks it should be.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:15, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ONS definition of urban area 

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