Talk:Iceland–European Union relations

message: It seems particularly apt for Iceland's application to be "frozen."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.218.238.219 (talk) 03:41, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  'frozen' 

message: The word 'contentious', used repeatedly, is political propaganda and totally out of place in what purports to be an encyclopaedia. Of course, we know that in many areas, Wiki 'articles' are nothing but shrill political propaganda.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.124.51 (talk) 17:56, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I have replaced that word by 'controversial'. As the polls and the news suggest, accession is a topic where there is much room for disagreement. However, they are not enough to call accession 'controversial' since the level of arguments suggested is far from being enough to be considered 'heating argument'. Sam10rc (talk) 17:09, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  'contentious' 

message: Here's some anti-EU art made by an Icelandic blogger:  Haukur 22:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-EU poster 

message: its about Iceland quickly joining the EU if requested and that 70% want a referendum regarding the EU and that 49% would vote yes while the other 51% are unsure or against. I thought we could include it. Ijanderson (talk) 00:14, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting source regarding Iceland and EU membership

message: Support for a EU application declines by 8 percentage points since last month. Looks like the battle lines are becoming clearer, with a stronger majority of Progressive Party voters going for the EU and now a minority of Independence and Left Green voters. Haukur (talk) 08:43, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Fréttablaðið poll

message: There are big changes in relations between Iceland and EU. If the Social Democratic Alliance wins the election on the 25th of April 2009, they are going to push for EU membership in the next government. If that happens (witch is the most likely outcome), EU application can happen early as May or June, so Sweden can handle it when they hold EU presidency.
Two web pages have sprung up in relations to the EU debate in Iceland. One Pro-EU and one Anti-EU. The pro-EU web page is at http://www.sammala.is (Icelandic), the anti-EU web page is at http://www.osammala.is (Icelandic). One is calling for EU application (sammala.is), the other isn't (osammala.is). This web pages are collecting signatures both wanting and opposing EU membership bid.
The Pro-EU group membership web page can be found at http://www.evropa.is (Icelandic).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonfr (talk • contribs) 18:02, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Social Democratic Alliance has won, by a majority of 4 seats. So far, the prime minister is pushing to initate EU accession and a draft application is currently being filled out. —Terrence and Phillip 06:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so. A coalition of SDA and the eurosceptic Left-Green Movement has won a majority of 4 seats together. The parties don't agree on the EU and are currently negotiating about how to proceed. --Bjarki (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I beg to differ. See here and here. With the SDA in power, the chances of Iceland joining the EU is substantionally higher. Additionally, the Progressive Party and the Citizens' Movement both support Iceland's EU accession. So if you do the math, 33 out of 63 votes in the Icelandic parliament would have a yes on EU accession. Also the prime minister has explicitly stated her intent to join the EU and formally submit an application by June, keeping in time when the EU presidency rotates to Sweden in July. —Terrence and Phillip 21:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't change the fact that the current government has the LGM aboard and they've said they will under no circumstances support a EU application this summer. The Alliance could form a centrist coalition with the Progressives and the new party but that seems less likely than the current goverment continuing after some compromise on the EU issue. Also worth noting is that the most recent opinion poll had a majority against applying for membership. Haukur (talk) 22:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iceland EU relations 

message: Here is a new Rúv poll. It shows 61,2% of Icelandic people want EU membership talks, 26,9% oppose membership talks, 11,8% are neutral. This news also breaks down the EU membership talks after political lines. The Rúv poll also check people minds to a membership, there are 38,6% oppose membership to EU, 39% want EU membership, 22,4% are neutral.
Rúv poll.
http://www.ruv.is/heim/frettir/frett/store64/item263923/
Jonfr (talk) 21:43, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rúv poll 

message: SI (Samtök Iðnaðarins) have extensive polls in relation to EU opinions from the year 2000. There polls are good and cover a long time period. The polls can be viewed here, http://www.si.is/malaflokkar/althjodlegt-samstarf/evropumal/skodanakannanir/
Jonfr (talk) 22:08, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: Could be more useful if translated into English... —Terrence and Phillip 03:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  SI Polls 

message: According to the news and blog web Eyjunni, Iceland is going to apply for EU membership in July after a parliament vote. Eyjan news source, http://eyjan.is/blog/2009/05/10/nyja-rikisstjornin-sott-verdur-um-adild-ad-evropusambandinu-i-juli-radherrar-10-en-verdur-sidar-faekkad-i-9/
The Guardian is also running the same story (or similar) on the same matter, that news source can be found here, http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/10/iceland-eu-euro
Jonfr (talk) 15:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Parliament still has to actually approve the resolution so the Alliance will somehow have to manoeuver the centrist parties into voting for it - or at least not voting against it. The LGM MPs will vote "according to their conscience", which presumably means that most of them will vote against it. This is all highly unusual - Icelandic governmental parties almost always vote as a block on almost all issues, let alone issues of such importance. Haukur (talk) 22:50, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not believe that the Progressive Party is going to block it, or the Citizens' Movement, but that gives clear majority. I am not sure about how Left-Green Movement are going to vote on this issue, but they might vote against it, at least there is a good chance on it. However, I am sure that the Independence Party is going to vote against it. It is important to keep this article up to date, as the status of Iceland-EU relation might change soon. Jonfr (talk) 23:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be unusual in Iceland, but it's nothing strange elsewhere to have members of the same government taking opposite sides when debating EU issues: see United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum, 1975 for a classic, although there was some of it in the Norwegian European Union membership referendum, 1994 and especially the French European Constitution referendum, 2005 as well. Physchim62 (talk) 23:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Putting a vote in the parliament would have a majority of "yes" votes for starting EU talks. The Social Democratic Alliance, the Progressive Party, and the Citizens' Movement are predictable enough that they will want to join the EU. The Left-Greens are so far divided on the EU issue, despite the official party statement opposing Iceland joining the EU. —Terrence and Phillip 23:52, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm not so sure about the IP. Party discipline is at an all time low so some of the more pro-EU MPs may be tempted to jump the fence in order to be on the winning side if Iceland ends up joining. But we will find out soon enough. --Bjarki (talk) 20:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Source (perferably in English)? And when does Parliament expect to finish making a decision? —Terrence and Phillip 02:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The parliament foreign committee is expected to end discussions in the end of June (about two weeks time). I did try look for a source in english, none appears to exist at the moment. I will post a news about it here in english when I find it. Jonfr (talk) 05:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

text: IcelandReview predicts that all 20 MPs from the Social Democrats support starting negotiations for EU membership, in addition with at least 3~4 MPs from the Civic Movement, 2 out of 9 MPs from the Progressive Party, and about 8 or 9 out of 14 MPs from the Left-Greens. However 5 Left-Greens and the Independence Party (and probably a few MPs from the Progressive Party) oppose EU membership. What does that mean for Iceland's bid for EU membership? One source says that Iceland may apply for membership in July 27, while another source conradicts that the process may be delayed longer. Can someone explain this out? —Terrence and Phillip 05:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to read the latest news: ESB-umræða heldur áfram á Alþingi. But they are available in icelandic only, which is very hard for me as a Swedish person to read, even with a dictionary . They seem to continue the debate, and more info will come later. It is hard to say what will happen. The headline "ESB-umræða heldur áfram á Alþingi" probably means "EU debate continues at parliament". --BIL (talk) 10:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The EU application debate continues in the parliament today, it is going to finish today or tomorrow. According to my loose calculations this motion is going to be approved by 32 - 35 majority. With 20 votes from SDA (0 oppose), 8 to 9 votes from LGM (5 oppose), 3 confirmed votes from PP (rest oppose or unclear), possibly 1 vote from IP (unclear at the moment), 3 votes from CM (1 unclear). This is also based on news on this subject in Iceland, where media has been trying to predict the vote. If the debate finish today, then the vote can be tomorrow, or late today. It is more likely that the vote on the resolution is going to be tomorrow. Jonfr (talk) 13:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So if the majority (at least 33 votes) approve the EU application, then Iceland will apply on July 27, right? —Terrence and Phillip 14:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If the majority votes yes (32 votes),most likely outcome as it stands now, then the government is going to apply before the 27th on July. Some have been speculating on 14th of July. But dates are unclear at the moment. It depends on when the parliament finishes the debate. Each MP gets 1 hour of speaking time, plus answers and defense answers (not sure about the word on that in english). Here is some news on the current debate, Parliament in Iceland resumes debate on EU membership application. When I write this, there are still 15 speakers left. Jonfr (talk) 17:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

text: It is odd that the politicians in Iceland are more EU sceptic than the people who is positive towards EU membership. In many EU countries like Sweden (where I live) and also Norway the politicians are clearly EU positive, while the people are EU sceptic.--BIL (talk) 09:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The politicans in Iceland are actually divided about 55-45 in EU positive vs EU sceptic. Most of the Icelandic public also seems to be about 50-50 divided as to whether join the EU. Usually countries in northern europe are the most EU sceptic when compared to other regions in europe. —Terrence and Phillip 12:43, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I don't know where they got that date from, it has always been clear that the application would be delivered as soon as practically posible after the passing of the motion. It was actually delivered today. [See here. http://mbl.is/media/79/1579.pdf] --194.105.255.161 (talk) 14:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So. Does this change the 'Background' section, which opens with: "Iceland has never applied for EU membership."? --Elliskev 14:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: News on Rúv has confirmed this, the application for Icelandic EU membership has been delivered to EU. The news can be found here (Icelandic), the pdf file is here. Jonfr (talk) 14:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I guess Iceland got restless and turned in their application 10 days early. Anyways after they submitted their membership application, when will Iceland hold their referendum on joining the EU and when does the EU grant Iceland offical candidate status? —Terrence and Phillip 21:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the press got it wrong yesterday. I don't know. I am not sure when Iceland is going to be a official candidate, that might happen in December, in the news the foreign minister here in Iceland is forecasting that negotiation might start in February 2010. But it depends on EU works on this. I only have Icelandic news on this. See here. This english news here is quite detailed, specially on potential entry date of the EU membership is approved in a national referendum. Jonfr (talk) 23:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I found out when Iceland may start membership negotiations and hold its national referendum, click here. However the timeline Mr. Sigurdsson proposed apparently show some significant delay compared to what Iceland's prime minister wants. —Terrence and Phillip 06:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Gosh darn it! It looks like Icelanders may reject EU membership in the future referendum. I was hoping not to mention about this so I wouldn't jinx it, but here it is. —Terrence and Phillip 17:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As an Icelander. I don't know what the Dw-World base there news story on. Given the recent EU approval in the nation, mainly because of the economic crash, there is more chance then less that EU membership is going to be approved in a referendum. There of course is the chance of going the Norway way, but that is only going to happen of the EU accession agreement is bad, but I find it doubtful that is going to happen. In other news, Iceland application is going to be approved on Monday according to the news today, EU to set Iceland on path towards joining bloc. I am not sure if that is going to make Iceland a official candidate or not. Jonfr (talk) 17:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Norway has tried and failed to join the EU four times before; two of which Norwegians rejected membership through a referendum. Both results for Norway tallied around 40+% yes and 50+% no vote. Currently the only way Iceland or any other aspiring country may join the EU now, even if Icelanders would approve Iceland's membership, would be through Ireland's own referendum on the Treaty of Lisbon. —Terrence and Phillip 00:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I should wait until the press statement from the foreign ministers meeting before saying anything. There's a lot of bureaucracy to be done to prepare for the negotiations before they can actually begin: even more so for Iceland simply because so many of the "chapters" won't need to be negotiated at all (as they are already covered by the EEA Agreement). The Foreign Affairs Council (and the Swedish Presidency) will have to decide how to handle the bureaucracy: I would expect a up-beat communiqué but no formal candidate status for "technical reasons". Physchim62 (talk) 11:52, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iceland EU membership application 

message: Here is a poll that Morgunblaðið publiced in June, this poll was made by Gallup in Iceland for Morgunblaðið. The news artical can be found here. The news says.
57,9% want EU membership talks.
26,4% Oppose membership talks.
15,7% Are neutrual in the view to membership talks.
Jonfr (talk) 18:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morgunblaðið poll 

message: Is "Althing" supposed to be italicised as a non-English word? --Elliskev 23:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Althing is an Anglicized name for the parliament, which is called Alþingi in Icelandic. 66.117.142.209 (talk) 02:19, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't italicise "Althing" because it is a proper noun, just as we don't italicise "Dáil" (lower house of the Irish parliament). We also don't include the suffixed definite article in the Icelandic Alþingi, beacuse in English we are always referring to "the Althing", so to say "the Althingi" would give us two definite articles. Physchim62 (talk) 10:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. --Elliskev 14:52, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree with Physchim62 but I should note that Alþingi is not actually a form with the definite article (that would be Alþingið). There are simply two forms of the word - in the old texts they are used alternatively but it just so happens that Alþingi became the normative usage in modern Icelandic and it just so happens that Althing is the conventional use in English. Haukur (talk) 18:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I stand corrected on my Icelandic grammar! Physchim62 (talk) 01:35, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Althing - italicised or not? 

message: Really?  It was?  They didnt use the Italian Lira?  I think the others should be checked also, I doubt they all used Deutsche marks. Jasonfward (talk) 16:52, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deutsche mark used in vaticant? 

message: Can I suggest we turn the "GDP" figures from absolute into per capita - that's what commentators tend to discuss. Any objections? AndrewRT(Talk) 22:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a template, so it would affect lots of other pages. I think that both may be useful (absolute to illustrate how small Iceland is, per capita to illustrate how rich the citizens are).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefan2 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icelandic EU accession bid box 

message: There is a new Fréttablaðið poll about support for the application to EU. The numbers are as follows, Yes 51%, No 36,1%, No decision 12,1%, 8,8% no answer given, without the no option group, it goes as follows Yes 58,5%, No 41,5%. The news can be found here and here. Jonfr (talk) 11:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The majority of Icelanders may support its country's membership application, to start negotiation talks, and the idea of adopting the euro; however they very may reject actual EU membership according to EUobserver. Unless the Social Democrats and anyone else who geniunely support EU membership can pull it off by convincing a majority of Icelanders to vote 'yes', its membership may just end up like Norway's two pervious failed attempts. —Terrence and Phillip 19:14, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That poll was taken by Andriki (Gallup did peform the poll, but the poll it self was issued by Andriki), a liberal-right movement, that is connected to Independence party here in Iceland. It is the opinion of many that this poll is not correct in any way. For instance there have been reports on this poll that the answer ratio has been small. I do not think that the new poll made by Andriki tells the truth in this matter, but this is a good political spin for the anti-EU movement in Iceland. But it won't last in the long run. Jonfr (talk) 09:27, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  July Fréttablaðið poll 

message: The reference (http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2008/02/23/iceland-cannot-adopt-euro-with-joining-eu-says-stark) does not even mention Iceland being situated on two continents, and, though it sits on the border of the North American and the European plates, it is always and has always been referred to as belonging to Europe. I have deleted the wrong information. Twerbrou (talk) 17:23, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually Iceland is on both the North American and European plates, and Iceland's most famous explorer, Vilhjálmur Stefánsson once published a book called, "Iceland: the first American Republic". So "alway" is not actually the truth in this matter.-130.208.183.161 (talk) 00:55, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Iceland not on multiple continents

message: The reference of the paragraph is an interview with an icelandic economist who says that refuting the bill to resolve the dispute with the Uk will have strong negative economic effects
on iceland. Nowhere it says something about obstruction or euro adoption. Has someone found a better reference or is this a bit of original research?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.58.174.23 (talk) 17:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uk obstruction 

message: The following news source is biased anti-EU news from Iceland.
EU News From Iceland
Because of that, this (Source #67) on the main  news article and other from this source are biased towards anti-EU news. The author of this blog is a known anti-EU member. He is a board member of a Heimssyn and has connections to other anti-EU groups in Iceland.
Please find a trusted and un-biased news source about this pool. As it can be read like that 53% of Icelanders want something other then Icelandic Krona.
Jonfr (talk) 00:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased news source 

message: According to news. EU Commission is expected to give its opinion on Iceland EU membership bid on the 24th of February 2010. This news can be read here.
Jonfr (talk) 12:50, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, the Commission can be such idiots sometimes! Physchim62 (talk) 12:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  EU Commission opinion on Iceland EU bid 

message: Iceland is now offical candidate for EU membership. Here is the EU press release on the matter. Jonfr (talk) 17:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iceland now official candidate 

message: The listing for the 14 June 2010 poll is misleading. – Kaihsu (talk) 09:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  14 June 2010 poll misleading 

message: Is the current dispute between Iceland and the EU, where the EU has barred Icelandic boats from landing catches of mackerel in EU ports, worth mentioning? Some sources suggest that this will have an adverse impact on Iceland's application to join the EU. 86.130.84.62 (talk) 22:44, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mackeral dispute 

message: It seems that the time plan for screening is from Nov 1, 2010 to Jun 17, 2011. Will the real negotiations, that is about the chapters, take part soon afterwards? What is the time plan for that? To compare, Croatia needed almost a year for screening, and then the chapter negotiations started two years after that, and has been going on for more than two years. So what is the Iceland time plan forecast?--BIL (talk) 21:04, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Start opening chapters - 2011, all chapters closed - 2011/2012, accession - 2013. --Chech Explorer (talk) 12:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a source? The official Icelandic site  avoids forecasting a time plan. I would like to have a time plan in the article (although the Croatian article has such a time plan which has had to be updated every year). --BIL (talk) 18:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time plan for negotiations 

message: Iceland and Ireland had bubble econiomies - so these high figures are less now - may be more typical figures can be given?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.96.60 (talk) 10:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  gdp 

message: Why are there polls about joining the Euro(zone) in the article? That might fit in an article about the Euro or Iceland but not in article about icelandic EU Accession. --134.176.204.244 (talk) 14:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The currency of Iceland has dropped significantly in value during the economic crisis. Because of this, Iceland wants to join the Eurozone. They have considered several options: a) adopt the Euro unilaterally (like Andorra, Montenegro or Kosovo), b) adopt the Euro bilaterally (like the VAtican, San Marino or Monaco) or c) become a full Eurozone member. b) was rejected by the EU, and it was also decided that a) wasn't an option. Note that the Vatican, San Marino, MOnaco, Andorra, Montenegro and Kosovo used to have currency unions with full EU/EMU members before the Euro was introduced; Thus, by bringing the Euro to these countries, the pre-Euro status quo of a currency union with Italy, France or Germany, respectively, was simply preserved; Apparently, the EU doesn't want to extend the number of such irregular Eurozone members, so it's not surprising that a) and b) weren't chosen. So Iceland had only one option left - becoming a full member. However, full EMU membership requires EU membership - thus, joining the Euro does imply that Iceland has to join the EU as well. -- 2001:A60:18EE:1100:99DC:3D58:5DB8:ADFB (talk) 22:41, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's right but just answers the question. They are useless in this article because it's not about Euro but about EU membership. --134.176.205.122 (talk) 23:17, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The euro polls are not relevant here just as it's not really relevant what the general population thinks about Schengen or SEPA. Another thing is that the term Iceland is used very losely here to refer to one political party which is currently in power. Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 04:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polls/Euro 

message: What is the difference between the two GDP tables? --Edroeh (talk) 00:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: First table is from the CIA World Factbook statistics for 2011, and the second table is from the statistic of IMF for 2011. Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 04:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  tables 

message: The 20:03, 15 August 2011 86.139.174.111 version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia--Wing (talk) 20:16, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. That's a mouthful. Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 04:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation into Chinese Wikipedia 

message: I seriously doubt that if iceland joins the EU the gdp per capita goes down by 13.5%. Thats clearly wrong.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.250.172.156 (talk) 10:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impact of joniin 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Source 2 appears to be a dead link, and I wanted to clarify something by it and it is also written in Icelandic. Anyone know of a way to replicate it?  Xx78900 (talk) 19:51, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 2 

message: Why are the numbers in the EU area and population averages in the table just at the start of EU membership so low?
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thread_title:  the Table