Talk:Diaspora

message: "This has since changed, and today there is no set definition of the term because its modern meaning has evolved over time" - how can you have a word with "no set definition"?  All words in a language"evolve over time", which is precisely why we have dictionaries. They provide both historical and current meanings.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.243.63.16 (talk) 15:30, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Word has no definition?

message: Editor ChronoFrog (started & stopped editing in 2016) was apparently chased out of WP, anyway, the cuckoo's egg he left us with damaged the article. I stumbled on the book by J.N. Tubb , which -at least for the first of the 2 alleged "quotations" present on the page- was introduced by ChronoFrog (see here). I lack the patience to check if it was ChronoFrog who brought it in again for the second time. Both times it was based on a mistake - either a honest one, or an attempt to make some POV thesis look more plausible. I've now removed the "source" altogether. If anyone can find something useful for this topic in the book, here it is:


The 1st use claims that the Canaanites are the proven ancestors of the main three different groups of Jews: Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Mizrachi. It looks like an intentional "spin" rooted in ChronoFrog's personal agenda:
*Tubb pp.13–14 can in no way be construed as to suggest what's written there. Logically, a link must be proven between the Canaanites and the enumerated ethnic groups; pp. 13-14 do nothing of the kind.
The 2nd use is so wrong, it's beyond comprehension:
#At Google Books there is unrestricted access to p. 40, unlike at the indicated archive.org URL.
#"The Canaanites and Their Land." is not a "quote"; maybe a heading?
#It's NOT on p. 40.
#Page 40 only deals with the excavation site at Tell es-Sa'idiyeh, and there is NOTHING, not a single word there about any diaspora.
So NOTHING in this two "quotations" looks relevant or correct. I'm afraid that there might be more such junk in the article. Arminden (talk) 22:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed wrong source 

message: The page currently states that the OED Online has the first use of the word "diaspora" in English being in 1876, in the context of Protestant evangelism in continental Europe. However, it actually appeared in an 1856 biography of the Wesleyan James Hutton, and was used in a review of the same book appearing in both the Dover Telegraph and Cinque Ports General Advertiser and the Wells Journal of 31 January 1857.  Nick Cooper (talk) 10:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  First use in English 

message: India will be the world's most populous country sometime this year, many of its people would benefit from emigration, and many countries would benefit from having more Indians and better curry... but no the Chinese diaspora is presumably much larger.
This claim is unsourced and any supposed source would need to be checked against bias and knowing what it was even talking about. Our article on Overseas Chinese pegs that total at 40m. Might be wrong. More likely on the low end, especially in Southeast Asia. Might include populations we don't include here. That might run up against the fact ethnic Han often consider themselves Chinese and American/British/Australian/Botswanan/whathaveyou. Might run up against the fact Chinese minorities might not consider themselves 'Chinese' as English understands itbasically Han most of the timeeven while they're in China or just across the Burmese border. 
There needs to be greater clarity next to the Indian claim and a sourced explanation of the number used for the Chinese. (Currently this article passes by that total in silence.) — LlywelynII 14:34, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: "The largest Asian diaspora, and in the world, is the Indian diaspora"

message: Zeus is not a part of the etymology. The Greek meaning was "sowing (seed)." This was done by hand, hence "scattering." Liddell Scott and Jones, the standard Greek lexicon, gives examples of metaphorical uses of the root verb, diaspeiro, meaning "scattering abroad" and "squandering" (by scattering to the winds) in Herodotus and Xenophon (5th cent BCE), and passive voice "to be scattered abroad" in Sophocles (5th cent BCE) and "scattering troops abroad" in Thucydides (5th century BCE).
διασπείρω 1
to scatter abroad, throw about, of money, Hdt.; δ. λόγον Xen.: to squander, Soph.:—Pass. to be scattered abroad, aor2 διεσπάρην [α^], id=Soph.; of soldiers, Thuc. Meerkat77 (talk) 04:10, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  dia+spora Etymology in Greek 

message: Would it be worth mentioning the internal displacement of Native Americans/American Indians in the United States? I think it is safe to say that the majority of Indians no longer live in their pre-Columbian ancestral homelands. Some Indians were forcibly removed by the federal government while others voluntarily migrated from reservations to metropolitan areas in search of better opportunities. This would probably belong in the Internal diasporas section since most Indians still live in the United States. I noticed that the See Also section contains links to the articles about the Trail of Tears and the Long Walk of the Navajo. 2601:246:5180:87E0:149E:107D:C874:3998 (talk) 01:16, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native Americans/American Indians