Talk:Pea coat

message: P coat is nonstandard spelling of the term, most commonly given as peacoat, where there is already a separate (though insubstantial) article.  I suggest that this article be moved to peacoat with redirects from all of the following:
*pea coat
*peajacket
*pea jacket
Furthermore, I am not convinced that p coat spelling is ever used.  Can you point to one or more instances of this spelling in noteworthy literature or nonfiction?
Epl 06:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move from ''P coat'' to ''peacoat''? 

message: According to both Merriam Webster's Dictionary and Dressing the Man by Alan Flusser, the word peacoat derives from the Dutch word pij, which describes the coarse wool cloth from which these jackets were constructed
Epl 06:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubts on etymologic accuracy 

message: Peacoats were widely used in European navies before the 20th century.  This article should address this, or at least not imply that the peacoat is an American invention.
Epl 06:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is US-centric 

message: I'm not quite sure why it was necessarry to dispute the article (Pea Coat), per se. In the article, there is reference to "Pea (presumably an extended, phonetic spelling, as was common in the first half of the twentieth century with colloquialisms)," deriving from the common term for the fabric, "Pilot..." I don't see that being in direct contrast to "pij" being the origin of the term. Rather than replacing the article, why not add to it? Also, what European influences do you feel were inherent in the history of the "P," "Pea," or "peacoat?" I think that would also be a valuable addition. Combating an article for the sake of combating an article is certainly no means to promote education and open-mindedness. Wouldn't it be a much better resource if it included all of this information, as opposed to one of the many?
:An article should in principle have the most appropriate name, which will usually be the most commonly used one. "P coat" is much less widely used than either "Pea coat" or "Peacoat". One of these should be used as the title, with "P Coat" perhaps cited as an alternative. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions - "Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things". Crebbin 15:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Argument Foundation 

message: what to call the garment you lost the beautiful sentiment of the article. The article wasn't meant to be a history lesson on the garment.  You miss the whole point.  Oh well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.83.247.7 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 25 January 2006.
:It's an encyclopedia article, it's not meant to have "beautiful sentiment".  Anyway, things seem pretty stable around here so I'm removing the disputed tag. FiggyBee 00:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  While you're splitting hairs about......... 

message: What weight of wool are we talking about? "Heavy wool" must mean something over 20 ounces, but can we be more exact? I suspect it's more than 25 ounces, but I don't have any sources for that.
:Historically, they used 30 oz. wool. Mentioned in the article. ALTON .ıl 04:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wool weight? 

message: Removed this as it wasn't backed up by citations.  Altough I'm Irish and I do have a peacoat, I don't think that's sufficient evidence!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seaneendubh (talk • contribs) 11:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity amoungst Irish and otherwise 

message: heheh reefer...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.82.92.41 (talk) 22:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reefer 

message: When the US Navy calls something "dark blue", it isn't actually dark blue.  It's black.  It even says so on the label of the garment in question.  Perhaps the article should be changed to reflect that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.86.228 (talk) 12:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, the Navy issue Peacoat is black, and would be considered such to any non-Navy individual. 209.234.17.244 (talk) 14:13, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Color 

message: It seems somewhere along the line, someone deleted the History section.  See here, where the original Wikipedia article was referenced (copied):  http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/PEA+COAT?cx=partner-pub-0939450753529744%3Av0qd01-tdlq&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=PEA+COAT&sa=Search#936.
If the etymology is in dispute, why not just say that... instead of blasting the whole History section out of the article.
I would put it back, if I knew how to do the editing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianolanboatright (talk • contribs) 00:59, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  History missing 

message: Is it really necessary to use a picture of one of the sentenced criminals of Nazi-Germany to illustrate a pea coat? That is ridiculous.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.201.41.78 (talk) 16:01, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not? It provides some historical context. (Hohum @) 20:01, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

text: I'm quite familiar with the holocaust. Using that picture as an example of a Pea Coat doesn't trivialise it for me. (Hohum @) 14:50, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of Karl Dönitz 

message: Some pea coats (the best IMHO) have a button usually hidden on the backside of the right lapel, matching the buttonhole in the left lapel. In extreme weather, this button and hole attach together, closing the coat up all the way to the collar. If the Navy coat currently depicted (from :File:US_Navy_p_coat_wiki.jpg) is of that kind, it would make it not only a 6x6 double-breasted for normal use as shown, but also an 8x8 with no lapels for use on deck in the worst of bad winds. — Tonymec (talk) 15:59, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lapel button 

message: Why is there a picture of this? What has it got to do with peacoats???? 81.147.60.7 (talk) 19:10, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The article reads "A black leather version of the reefer jacket was worn by Kriegsmarine [...] It was also worn with a peaked cap by Red Army commissars, tank commanders and pilots" -- does that explain it? -- Evilninja (talk) 19:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  No. Because what is a "reefer jacket" and what is its relevance to a peacoat? Also, where is it implied anywhere in this article that a peacoat can be made of leather? 81.147.60.7 (talk) 01:22, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see. I mentioned the reefer jacket term now in the lede and added a reference, hopefully that makes things a bit clearer. -- Evilninja (talk) 19:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian junior officers wearing leather jackets