Talk:Sarah Brady

message: So would it be appropriate to insert counter-arguments here, or what? This page reads as rather frightfully pro-gun control. Stiletto Null 08:07, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sarah Brady and her husband James are unquestionably pro-gun control, notwithstanding her incident with the straw purchase. I think a pro/con NPOV argument would be be more appropriate in the article on Gun politics. If you feel strongly, i feel that is the place to make sure the NPOV is presented. Vaoverland 08:19, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Refutation

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message: This sentence "Despite her support for gun control, she bought her adult son a hunting rifle as a Christmas present" implies that supporters of gun control believe no one should own guns. This is not true. The gun control position is that guns should be better regulated. I'm removing this sentence. Chisme (talk) 00:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: , , I'm a bit on the fence about this one.  On the one hand, we shouldn't be editorializing in the enclyclopedia's voice.  Period.  On the other, Brady herself said "It seemed so incredibly strange: Sarah Brady, of all people, packing heat."  Is there a better way to phrase it?  Faceless Enemy (talk) 12:21, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, we are supposed to impart reliable info without POV. I don't think the excerpt regarding the issue of the gun purchase for her son violates NPOV, but if you do I am sure it can be tweaked. It should be included, however, in some form, as quite relevant. I personally never had any animus against Sarah Brady, nor have I ever owned a gun. I also respected her for coping with considerable tragedy and misfortune. Quis separabit? 12:34, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's worth tweaking, yeah.  As Chisme pointed out, we need to avoid implying that supporters of gun control believe no one should own guns.  Maybe "while continuing to support gun control" instead of "despite her support for gun control"?  Faceless Enemy (talk) 12:54, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll tweak it. The essential thing is not to imply that people in support of gun control are gun banners, which is what it implies at present. You can own guns and support gun control. Chisme (talk) 22:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "Brady was not in favor of banning guns" is definitely false.  See here, where they are in favor of a ban on some guns.  Faceless Enemy (talk) 22:16, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Precisely. They are in favor of banning SOME kinds of guns, but not ALL guns. So it's false to say "Despite her support for gun control, she bought her adult son a hunting rifle as a Christmas present" if the gun she gave as a present, a hunting rifle, was not one of the types of guns her organization proposes banning. Her organization wanted to ban high-capacity so-called assault rifles, not hunting rifles. I'm switching this back. Chisme (talk) 18:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Still not true.  There are some hunting rifles that are banned as assault weapons in some jurisdictions.  For now I've just removed it.  I think the paragraph before it provides enough context.  Faceless Enemy (talk) 20:21, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

text: We disagree but I'll let it stand as preferable to what was before. I do believe, however, in making distinctions. Chisme (talk) 21:58, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

text: , I agree with you on that sentence. It seems undue and POV in light of the small amount of text dedicated to Brady's opinions about and work for gun control. These should be developed, following NPOV, if that sentence is to stay. Lightbreather (talk) 02:14, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This sticks out like a sore thumb. It was a small part of her life. And an attempt to present her as a hypocrite. Chisme (talk) 16:52, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: False inherent logic

message: I was working on the Luby's shooting article when I came across this source:
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It has a great quote from Brady that she made on the day of the shooting:
:Does the U.S. House need a clearer message before it musters the courage to stand up to the gun lobby? Tomorrow, the whole world will be watching.
(It was a strange coincidence that an omnibus anti-crime bill was in the House when the shooting took place.)
I am still working on the shooting and I might be back here with more sources if I get a chance. I am retiring soon, but this biography could use some work. Lightbreather (talk) 01:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Can anybody find any info, and add any info, on how many copies of the book were sold?   206.192.35.125 (talk) 17:01, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: A good fight