Talk:Hata clan

message: What happened to the Previous article on the Hata Clan?  The previous one was accurate.  Somebody completely erased it. Wrote back a false version of this article. The current version is false.  How can a Korean Prince be a Chinese or Jewish-related clan?  It doesn't make any sense.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shockiiie (talk • contribs) 06:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Two simple evidences from wiki:
1)" Kim Alji is born from a golden box that Hogong[japanese] discovered."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silla
2)"He was a member of the Gyeongju Seok clan, one of the noble clans that shared the Silla throne during the early Common Era. He was born in a small kingdom 1000 li1 northeast of Wa (Japan)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talhae_of_Silla
66.91.103.220 (talk) 03:41, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Jin ( surname) isn't Chinese. Its Manchurian/ Mongol name.

message: Hata clan Jewish theory is does not mean PURE blood. Not only that, it does not mean it had to go directly.
For example, Qin refugee could went to wiman josean first then baekje or gaya then japan.
Of course whole group does not have to move at same time nor same direction and it is likely that some scattering going on in each step.
Silk road and pre-silk road interaction existed, so I believe whole chinese dynasty have some blood from metal and technology people in few waves of migration.  Proof of evidence of one of wave is...
Quote from Kaifeng wiki that shows Jews went to India then to china.
"Three stelae with inscriptions were found at Kaifeng. The oldest, dating from 1489, commemorates the construction of a synagogue in 1163 (bearing the name 清真寺, Qingzhen Si, a term often used for mosques in Chinese). The inscription states that the Jews came to China from India during the Han Dynasty period (2nd century BCE-2nd century CE). It cites the names of 70 Jews with Chinese surnames, describes their audience with an unnamed Song Dynasty emperor"
In terms of genetics, things like high intelligence, height, lighter skin are some of likely Jewish or somewhere around that area contribution.  Genetics are basically passed on from 23 chromosome pairs.  After 20 generations, person can have 2^20 or million ancestors minus same ones.
Haplogroup genetic studies cannot disprove ancestry after 2nd generations since it only represent pure male or pure female ancestries only. Father's mother and mother's father side of genetics are not represented at all. There are 23 chromosome pair plus mitochondria so it is 1/47 or approximately 2%. Y haplogroup study only represent about 2% of genetics which are pass on in male. Basically it show who was father->father-father->father->... Mitochondrial Hapogroup represent about 2% too and mother->mother->mother->mother->... Northern Japanese, Tibeten, and Negrito(look similar to pure African pygmy) from Andamanese islands in India all have fairly similar Y haplogroup D but can look different. These studies are good for general migration trend, but it will miss small migration mix in with large population. Things like ruling class that brought metal and technology might not show after few hundred years.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Real7777 (talk • contribs) 22:24, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: http://real7777.wordpress.com/history/japan-origin
Japan Origin Speculation
1) 30kyp Pre-jomon by bangladish type
2) 15kyp Jomon (hmong/mia type)
3) Chinese pottery and symbol to Middle East 8kp
4) Middle East Sumer have empire structure, metal, writing,pottery, mason, etc 
5) 5-6kyp kikai caldela and mini iceage bottleneck(haplogroup D survival)
6) Middle East technology, merchant etc. come back to china in various waves 
7) 2200-3000yp Yayoi shang refugee and others
8) Wa (zhou wu refugee,wu=wo=wa,gokuryeo)
9) Silla/Gaya rules were found by Hogong(Wa)
10) Hata (qing refugee=baekje)
11) Asuka (Soga=so-gaya, Persepolis technology)
12) All kind of interaction with korea
Yatagarasu three legged crow guide Emperor Jimmu.  Shang guide Wa(zhou).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Real7777 (talk • contribs) 16:19, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Once again, the policy WP:OR has been pointed out to you in relation to your statements and edits. This talk page is WP:NOTFORUM --Ubikwit 連絡 見学/迷惑 16:23, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I expanded. I provided link to wiki that have 1489 writing mentions 2nd century BCE Real7777 (talk) 14:23, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hata, Qin, Jew, Middle East, Korea 

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message: not to restart an edit war, but do either of the two sources cited in the Spread section actually support the "The Hata are said to have been adept at financial matters" line? Is that credible, do they cite some contemporary source that expresses that sentiment? Because otherwise including a jewish stereotype as the opening line seems to conflict a little with the extensive effort spend to clarify that the Hata do not in fact descent from Jews. jonas (talk) 23:14, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources