Talk:Helvellyn

message: What are the glaciated features? Is there Galciated erosional features, such as crag and Till?
What do you mean by that?. There are glaciated features all around. Red Tarn is a classic cwm, corrie or cirque.
I wondered if anyone has any information on how Helvellyn was named, when and by whom?. Timst 18.39 UTC, 4 November 2006
Timst. According to Brewer’s “Britain and Ireland” (2005) the name is Old Celtic in origin. It is an amalgamation of hal=upland and melyn=yellow. Liberally translated it means “yellow moor”. I am unsure why that name might have been adopted. But, bear in mind that places may have looked different in Old Celtic times to what they look now. regards. Bob BScar23625 19:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Yellow' is a very common element in Celtic place names; there are lots of Scottish mountains containing the name 'Buidhe', which is the Scottish Gaelic equivalent. I've always assumed it derives from the pale yellowy-green grass that grows in many upland areas, and is certainly present in the Eastern Fells today. One thing that's apparent about Celtic toponymy is that Celtic and Anglo-Saxon colour perceptions don't always match. --Blisco 19:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. Different cultures see colours very differently. "Glas" in Welsh now means blue (usually), but in older texts, including toponyms, it can mean blue, green or grey, which seems unthinkable to an English speaker. A second point is that a mountain doesn't need to have much of a colour difference to be named after a colour. No-one expects a "Carn Dearg" to be brilliant scarlet, but rather just a bit reddish. This should always be kept in mind. Helvellyn should be interpreted as "the yellowish moor or "the yellower moor" [than the others around it], and not as the bright yellow moor. --Stemonitis 13:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: An attractive theory (though rather less mundane than mine, I would have thought?!), but I suspect that any hill noted for being covered in gorse would be called "moor of the gorse" rather than "yellow moor". Anyway, fascinating though all this speculation is, it's not really contributing to the quality of the article – unless anyone can find a reference in a scholarly publication on the incidence and meaning of colours in Celtic place names with specific reference to Helvellyn, that is. --Blisco 17:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
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message: Please see my question on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skiddaw discussion page as it is relevant to this page too. 88.109.64.130 15:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second or third highest? 

message: There is a bit that says:
::Striding Edge is a notorious accident spot among hikers and scramblers. Conditions on the ridge in early 2008 were described as the worst in 30 years by fell top assessor Craig Palmer. Despite the warnings, two walkers died after falling from the ridge in separate incidents in the following weeks.
I am removing the words "despite the warnings".  There is a strong implication of blame in that phrase, so I think we should avoid it unless there is some source to firmly establish that the warnings were still considered current at the times of the accidents.  The main warning was made on the 5th , and by the 6th the conditions were already said to be improving, although a warning remained in place .  The accidents happened on the 9th and the 12th .  — Alan✉ 20:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent accidents 

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:Helvellyn Striding Edge 360 Panorama, Lake District - June 09.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on August 27, 2010. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2010-08-27. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! howcheng  {chat} 16:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
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message: Many thanks to 151.227.6.72 for providing what I take to be Collingwood's etymology of Helvellyn. However, since this is not given in any of the sources cited in the article, we really need a citation for it. If you do come back to this page, 151.227.6.72, it would be very helpful if you could add the source of your information, please.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silence-is-infinite (talk • contribs) 10:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed this for now (before I checked here). Whaley (2006: 163) mentions another of Collingwood's etymologies ("an inversion compound with OE hlāw 'mound' or ON hváll 'hill' as 1st el., and pers.n. Willan as 2nd (1918, 103)") but not this one. The reference is 'Mountain Names' CW2 18, 93-104. There's a chance the Road to Hel etymology might show up in there. C1614 (talk) 09:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: The image entitled "Pieces of lapilli-tuff from the Helvellyn Tuff Formation, found on Catstye Cam, showing dark-coloured, flattened lapilli in the rocks," technically correct but the correct term for the "flattened lapilli" is "FIAMME," and is actually flattened pumice.Most of the volcanic tuffs that form the Borrowdale Volcanics show fiamme.The Geologist (talk) 13:57, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for this clarification. However, what do you make of a sentence on the Lapilli page, which reads, "Welded tuff textures are distinctive (termed eutaxitic), with flattened lapilli, fiamme, blocks and bombs forming oblate to discus-shaped forms within layers"? Is that making some distinction between the two terms, 'flattened lapilli' and 'fiamme'? I notice too that the Fiamme page describes that term as merely "descriptive and non-genetic." I wondered about adding fiamme in parenthesis to the image caption, but don't want to add unnecessary levels of complexity here, especially if they are not strictly necessary. Any further thoughts on this would be welcome. Silence-is-infinite (talk) 17:26, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geology 

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message: I seem to remember, years ago, reading or hearing something about a man. presumably quite an eccentric character, who tried to ride a horse along Striding Edge, with fatal consequences for both himself and the horse. There seems to be nothing online about this, though. Did I imagine it? Is it an urban a rural myth? Or does any other Wikipedia user know anything about it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.185.206.198 (talk) 17:06, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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