Talk:William Fleming (Irish republican)

message: Im putting a non-notable tag on this article because the only reason given for this man's notability was that he died in the Troubles. Dying in the Troubles is not enough for a person's own article. If it was, every soldier, policeman, civilian and activist on either side of the divide who was killed would have a page, there are over 3,000 of them. He does not appear to have been the subject of non-trivial literature, nor is his death widely covered by media sources (as discussed elsewhere, An Poblacht does not count with regards to establishing notability). He was apparently not the subject of an important inquiry (like the Stalker Inquiry or Stevens Inquiry), nor did he gain celebrity in the manner of the hunger strikers. I am also adding  tags to some very questionable assertions. If they can be proved using sources other than An Poblacht or Tiragna then they can stay, otherwise they can't. If there really is a justifiable claim for notability then please insert it into the article.--Jackyd101 15:07, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: His death was covered in the New York Times. One Night In Hackney303 15:12, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jackyd101 your right, not everyone that died in the troubles should have a page, however, I will add to this page today and I left left you a messege on your talk page about what happened last night that lost me a load of material on this. I'll fix it today.--Vintagekits 15:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also Urban covered his death in his book as well. One Night In Hackney303 15:35, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not saying a single NYT reference is enough to establish notability, but I was correcting your comment of nor is his death widely covered by media sources (as discussed elsewhere, An Poblacht does not count with regards to establishing notability). To prove that his death was widely covered using online sources (or even offline for that matter) can be quite difficult, as how many media outlets do you know that have a full online archive dating back to 1984? One Night In Hackney303 15:45, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair point, but if it was widely covered in the media there is no evidence in the article. There may well be plenty of reasons why this man is notable, but at the moment they are not in the article where they need to be. That is hopefully what will be cleared up as a result of this tag and discussion.--Jackyd101 15:53, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have plenty of material guys, wait until the end of today before carrying on this contversation and you both are wasting your collective breaths cos I will answer both of yer questions with the info I add. slainte.--Vintagekits 16:24, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't have put it into mainspace in its current state anyway, it's been sitting in projectspace barely touched for an eternity, then VK suddenly added a load of information to it and put it in mainspace while I was sleeping. One Night In Hackney303 18:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I woodnt edder but it woodavbin OK spect fer da frick freezin las night ya know.--Vintagekits 18:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-notable? 

message: The article is currently wrong. BBC states a total of 59 rounds were fired, as does Urban. It's therefore impossible for Fleming to have been hit by 60 rounds and Doherty by 24. Those figures don't even match the figures claimed by the IRA at the time, which were (according to Urban) 38 for Doherty and 30 for Fleming. The actual figures according to Urban are 19 for Doherty and 4 for Fleming. One Night In Hackney303 21:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Am currently on five different number of shots the were fired! --Vintagekits 21:07, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you repeat that with the words in the correct order please? One Night In Hackney303 21:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text:  No problem, Am currently on five different number of shots the were fired! You really need a serious crash course in Hiberno English--Vintagekits 21:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shots fired

message: You know, you're not really supposed to remove that tag without discussion. With regards to the article, it is much better and whilst I'm still not 100% convinced this guy did anything more interesting than die, you have provided enough sources to show that it has generated quite a bit of media attention. In a minor note, you have used An Poblacht to source a couple of controversial details, which you aren't supposed to do. The article is much improved however.--Jackyd101 12:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not that he died that makes him notable its his activity, the way he died and the Judicial review that makes him notable.--Vintagekits 12:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NN tag

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