Talk:Marvel: Ultimate Alliance/Archive 2

message: They have confirmed that there WILL be downloadable stuff for the game to be released in March. No word on exact contents or supported platforms though.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.170.27.17 (talk) 02:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: News Off the MUA VIP Forums

message: Siryn ought to be removed from "status unknown". She's not playable.-Oort1
She's not in the game as far as I have seen.--Dil 23:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Siryn

message: I just noticed something.  The MUA article lists the PS3 version as being available on November 6, when the PS3 console itself will not be available until November 11 in Japan and November 17 in the US and Canada.  How can a game for a system be released 5+ days before the console itself?  Is it that the release date for the PS3 version is wrong or that the game for the PS3 is being released ahead of the console itself?  I'm missing something here. Vgamer101 22:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ps3 

message: On the official website there is a poll. The poll asks for favorite playable characters. Nightcrawler is one of the choices.--Ashslayton 14:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nightcrawler  

message: Am I reading it wrong again? The official website reveals Onslaught as a new character, doesn't it? I'm assuming villian...--Ashslayton 17:09, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Onslaught 

message: Somebody posted some pics of them on the VIP forum. So stop deleting it
Right, because "someone posted a thing in a forum" means that it's instantly true.  Until it's officially announced, I don't really see a reason to keep it around.24.217.231.225 21:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zarathos has been confirmed as a skin for Ghost Rider 

message: Khonshu really shouldn't be listed here. They most likely meant the "Fist of Khonshu" costume Moon Knight wore, and therefore is just another costume for him and not another character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.209.216.242 (talk • contribs) 00:24, October 16, 2006
:They just gave the name Khonshu, and I think they would have said "Fist of Khonshu" if that's what they ment. This will need clarification, but for now I'd say that Khonshu is an alternate skin. JQF 15:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The description of the costume was simply Khonshu. Just saying "Khonshu" would refer to a person called "Khonshu", rather than a different costume. Keep it. Goldenboy|talk|contribs 16:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moon Knight 

message: Does anyone think we should write the playable characters attacks?
:I don't think so. Wikipedia isn't a game guide. RobJ1981 23:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attacks 

message: Phantom Rider is listed as a character when it's one of Ghost Rider's Costume. Although there are some costumes on the list, why is their a disscusion on removing iron spider because it was spider man's costume.
: Because Iron Spider is stupid? :) No, really, while Beta Ray Bill and Phantom Rider are classed as alternate costumes in the game, they are actually separate characters. Iron Spider is just an alternate costume, either way. Basically, Iron Spider is Spider-Man, Phantom Rider is not Ghost Rider. So we can list Phantom Rider as a separate character, whereas it doesn't make sense to do so for Iron Spider. Kelvingreen 20:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phantom Rider 

message: Does any one know if Cyclops will be playable. I know he is seen in captured by Doom, but so is Hulk.
**Gambit as well, however the status is unkown for all three, however they still might be unlockable!  But for now they are NPC.
They are not playable. or NPCs. An "evil" cyclops is a boss battle, though.
Hulk and Cyclops are being added in the April X-Box Live Hero Pack 66.144.132.50 13:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  View to a Kill 

message: On the letters page in issue #8 of Ms. Marvel released October 18th, they said Ms. Marvel would be in the game. AlexMc 02:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Damn, she wasn't listed when I posted this, then was when I looked again. :P AlexMc 02:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Ms. Marvel 

message: Does anyone know the status of Emma Frost one way or the other yet? She's been on the list of NPCs in the article for about a week and no one has removed her, yet I can literally find no mention of her anywhere official, unless she's on the VIP site.
Someone added her about a month ago as well, along with Beast and Shadowcat, but it was determined that the person who did that was lying.
Is that happening again? 66.191.228.218 08:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status of Emma Frost 

message: Somebody removed Ronin from the list....
AlexMc
Causualty of an edit war, but it's been fixed. JQF 14:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What the hell happened to Ronin

message: Because I have a store-bought copy right here. Doesn't seem to be 'in Development' any longer. Can someone please ditch the tag?
:I'm pretty sure all versions aren't out yet, so the tag should remain. RobJ1981 19:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The tag should be modified. I don't know I what state the Wii, PS3 and DS version are in, but the tag can be changed to "Most version have been released", or something like that. JQF 19:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there is a tag like that. I don't see much point in anyone making a tag like that, since release dates for different versions are usually not that far apart. RobJ1981 22:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Development? O RLY? 

message: some of the characters listed as playable are actually unlockables, like Blade, Ghost Rider, and Doctor Strange. Onua10004 02:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See above - We're not counting characters unlocked by normal play; just those that require specific conditions (I.E. Completion, collecting figures)Goldenboy|talk|contribs 16:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  unlockables 

message: Empress S'byll and Skrull Queen...one of these should go, since she IS the Skrull Queen.
Also, Mysterio needs to be added to Villains. Thanos6 13:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  S'byll and Mysterio 

message: Do we really have to cite sources and include all these bulleted facts regarding characters in a game that is now out and availible to the general public?  The page would look a lot better without all the text between the cast chart and "Voice Actors" section.  Just thought I'd bring it up here first instead of going ahead and editing it myself, in case anyone felt there were any legitimate objection to this kind of thing. 68.227.95.2 16:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, none of that has to be there anymore. JQF 16:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The game is out now, so... 

message: Khonshu is NOT an alternate character. It is still Moon Knight. Here is a screenshot of the costume: http://i11.tinypic.com/2cxb02g.jpg.
:: Thanks for that. Still a shame though. Goldenboy|talk|contribs 18:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moon Knight

message: So, umm, I just beat the game and I never encountered Dark Phoenix (I fought a mind-controlled Jean Grey, but she was labeled as Jean Grey) or Empress Syb'll (Though their was a character somewhat anonymously labeled as a Skrull Empress).  Did I miss something or are these assumptions based on to events in the game. Sevenzeroone says: Poopy is not fun! 13:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Jean's in her Dark Phoenix costume, but that's about it.  She's obviously not actually the Dark Phoenix entity, as she's on Galactus' power level in that state.  Sy'bil is the Skrull Empress. 140.185.215.122 13:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Empress S'ybll and Dark Phoenix 

message: It's not important to list each and every Villain or NPC (non player character). If someone appears very briefly as a NPC, it shouldn't be listed. Same goes for lesser villains of the game, as well as people that only appear briefly in a cutscene movie. Just because the game features over 100 characters, doesn't mean a good percent should be listed. Remember: Wikipedia isn't a game guide. RobJ1981 23:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Villain and NPC sections need alot of cleanup

message: Venom is listed in the villains list. Does he actually appear in the game, because I've never seen him.
I'm playing the PS2 version though, so IF he isn't in that version of the game, which version is he in? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.29.28.60 (talk) 18:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Venom?

message: Does it really need to be so long, detailing every single aspect of the game? It was fine before, when it was just a brief synopsis.
The same goes for the features section, the second & third paragraphs are unneccesary. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.29.16.10 (talk) 22:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Story section

message: I heard here on Wikipedia that on some consoles they have Shadowcat as a boss like Cyclops and Psylocke and like them, she is called Dark Shadowcat.  Can some one varify this for me and others.  Thanks pho3nixflame69
::It's a lie. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.29.31.76 (talk) 21:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dark Shadowcat???

message: Removed the continuity section because it is ridiculous and I'll explain why.
In the cutscene prior to the final attack on Doom's castle, Cyclops is depicted wearing his Astonishing X-Men costume. However, when the player fights him, he is wearing his Ultimate X-Men costume.
Because people can't change their clothes?  Nobody at work tells me there's a problem with my continuity when I come in wearing different clothes than I was wearing the previous day.
During the ending seen if the player allows Nightcrawler to die, Nightcrawler is clearly visible as alive.
Nightcrawler is a teleporter, and won't die anyways.  It's a flashback scene, and has no bearing on narration.
In the cutscene prior to the final mission, it is shown that the Hulk, Magneto and a squad of X-Men consisting of Professor Xavier, Shadowcat, Gambit, Colossus, Emma Frost and Cyclops had attempted a failed assault on Doom. This leads to a plot-hole on the next-gen versions of the game, as Colossus is a playable character in those versions of the game but he remains in the cinematic.
He's only playable on the Next gen systems anyways.  And he may have been a last minute change after the CG was finished.
In the final cutscene Doom says "Odin you can't be free!!" evan if the player chooses not to free Odin. 
Because nobody else (including himself) could free him?
I honestly didn't want to argue this, but I felt that I should in case somebody thought this sillyness had a place in the article.  TotalTommyTerror 19:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, personally, i could care less. I just made up that section because I was cleaning out and removing a trivia section and didn't want to step on anyone's toes by deleting something. I honestly agree that it doesn't make sense to ahve it on ehre, as this is not imdb. Kudos on the decision to remove.TheGreenFaerae 07:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuity Removal 

message: Any luck? Ominae 01:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It almost sounds like James Sie is voicing Mandarin. Rtkat3 (talk) 7:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice actors for Mandarin and Swordsman? 

message: First of all, it should be made clear that marvel Ultimate Alliance, and the preceding similar X-Men Legends games do not take place in either Ultimate or Classic continuity. Having said that, Ultimate Alliance was, unarguably, built upon Legends technology and arguably Legend's story. In fact, the games really would link up well, as, if you are playing the Current gen versions; the models are virtually the same. The only thing that does not line the two series up is Nick fury's model. In the Legends games, Fury was depicted Ultimate style, i.e. a Sam Jackson Look-alike. In Ultimate Alliance, he is depicted classic style, i.e., an old white guy. The Difference in the model used for storyline is significant because this difference is what makes the two games clearly distinct. Without this difference, it could be said that Ultimate Alliance was a story sequel to the Legends games. Now, TTT said this was not significant because Ultimate alliance takes place in the ultimate Universe, putting aside this incorrect statement for the moment, the Ultimate Fury model is not used in any cutscene. The cutscene Furies are different. That is what is significant.TheGreenFaerae 01:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any reliable sources other than personal observation to which your claims can be referenced? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is as reliable a source as there is for the levels section, or the storyline section. That is, the details are unarguable and clear. Their importance is debatable, but their existance cannot be disputed, and the games code and cutscenes act as source enough.TheGreenFaerae 01:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Also it answers this question that was put forth in the locations section; "Also, there is no word that it definitively takes place in the Earth-616 universe or the X-Men Legends universe." The completely different models obviously rule out that it could take place in the Legends universe.TheGreenFaerae 01:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So no, you don't. Please refrain from putting your personal interpretation in the article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's nto my personal itnerpreation in this case, ti is fact. It is two different mdoels. It is clearly two diffrent models. Why is proof jeeded to say two things are different in thsi case?TheGreenFaerae 01:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fien I removed the following sentence: " It can, however, be inferred to take place outside of the Legends universe, as there are many differences between the Marvel universe as depicted between the two series, such as costume choices and the use of Classic Nick Fury as opposed to ultimate Nick Fury." I still feel you are askign the unreasonable, but since you're going to be so obstinate about it, now there is no speculation. It will return when ti can be sourced.TheGreenFaerae 01:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nick Fury's different Model Imprortance 

message: The second paragraph of the Versions section, specifically the sentence regarding forthcoming updates to the Xbox 360 version via Live Marketplace, needs to be cleaned up grammatically.  I suggest something like: 
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance VIP web site [link?] has officially announced that there will be downloadable characters on the Xbox 360 version via the Xbox Live Marketplace at some point in March.  (No specific date has been announced.)  No other details have been announced and it has not been said whether any other platforms will have access to these characters.
Since (presumably) this matter will be resolved within the next few weeks, this will eventually need to be changed anyway, so it’s not a huge deal, but it’s still jarring to see grammatically incorrect text in the middle of an otherwise well-written article. - Mortuorum 20:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Versions Update 

message: BTW, they announced the new characters to be available for download in April via XBL Marketplace:
*Magneto 
*Cyclops 
*Nightcrawler 
*Sabretooth 
*Venom (!)
*Doctor Doom 
*Hawkeye 
*Hulk 
You can find the source here: http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/marvelultimatealliance/news.html?sid=6167963&om_act=convert&om_clk=gsupdates&tag=updates;title;1
24.32.185.38 04:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Marvel Alliance Markeplace DL Content

message: Can we please decide on a box art to display? I find it silly that there is none, because people can not decide on the version they want displayed, if an agreement cant be met I will just do one that has all 3 next gen viewableTehPhil 20:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Box Art

message: For the Heroes and Villains download part on this game, we already know that Clive Revill voices Doctor Doom, Dee Bradley Baker voices Nightcrawler, and Robin Atkin Downes voices Bruce Banner and Dark Cyclops. If only we knew who was voicing Cyclops, Hawkeye, Hulk, Magneto, Sabretooth, and Venom. Any ideas? Rtkat3 (talk) 3:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion Voice Actors

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Ultimate alliance.PNG

message: In the different missions, what is the max number of heros you can use at once? Is it possesible to use something like Spider-Man, Daredevil, Wolverine and Human Torch all in one mission/level?
You can have up to four heroes on a team, except in the GBA version, where you have 3 controllable heroes and one striker for special attacks.  The specific combination you reference would only be possible after unlocking Daredevil. 76.214.167.226 01:07, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of Heros