Talk:Galveston, Texas

message: :This review is transcluded from Talk:Galveston, Texas/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
The article needs a lot of work and at present, is an indiscriminate collection of random facts, and not an encyclopedia article. With all due respect, it looks like a C-class article at best. I'd recommend looking at the guideline for US city articles for information on how to organize an article on a US city.
* The 'galveston today' section should be included in the 'history' section. Additionally, the article title itself should actually not be used in section or subsection headers, per WP:MSH. The history section also seems to focus a bit too much on the hurricanes of 1900 and 2008, which slants the article's direction more towards the disasters than anything else.
* The 'architecture' section is just a list of buildings, and the list starts with a bulleted list and then goes to a numbered list, which isn't good style. A good 'geography' section should include a subsection on 'cityscape', which should discuss the downtown area and other neighborhoods, and could include various aspects of the architecture. A list of buildings itself isn't really discussing the "architecture" in a city.
* Information in the 'The Port of Galveston' should probably be incorporated into an 'economy' section, since it's central to the economics of the city. Such a section should also include other aspects of the businesses in the city as well.
* 'Geography and climate' has a few short sentences with some uncited weather averages and records, and a big table. I wouldn't call that complete.
* The 'Transportation' section is really just a listing of the various transportation options in the city, in the guise of subsections (and very short text in each subsection, largely uncited, at that). I'd recommend dropping the subsections entirely and weaving all of the information on the transportation options into a single, coherent discussion in this section.
* 'Galveston in pop culture' is a good start; change title of section to simply 'In popular culture', per WP:MSH. You could also call this section 'Media and popular culture', and incorporate information on local media (newspapers, radio, television) into the section. The Flagstaff, Arizona article handles media and popular culture reasonably well.
* 'Education' -- similar to 'transportation', I'd recommend dropping the subsections and weaving this information into a single, coherent discussion on the educational opportunities in Galveston. Don't just state the schools in the city (which is really just a list in prose form). Talk about how the schools are administered, how many students/teachers there are in the city. Mention some of the more noteworthy schools (governor's schools, charter schools, etc). I think more can be said about the library system than simply, "The city is served by the Rosenberg Library."
* 'Postal service' AND 'Community information' -- not really notable for an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia is not a directory. Postal zip codes, as long as there aren't too many, can be put into the infobox if desired.
* The inline citation in the 'sister cities' section should be at the end of the first sentence, immediately following the colon (:), not before the sentence.
* There's quite a few external links. Some of these could be pruned. I would think many of these could also be used to provide further information to improve the article itself, and thereby becoming inline citations instead. It might also help to review WP:EL for tips on what external links are appropriate for inclusion and which ones could be dropped.
* Inline citations used in the article are overall insufficient to meet the GA criteria requirement.
* WP:LEAD could provide additional information on writing a good, concise, and eye-catching lead section for the article.
Hope this helps. Unfortunately, this article is quite a way away from meeting the six GA criteria, so I can't list it at this time. It can be renominated once these issues are cleared up. Dr. Cash (talk) 04:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I will work to improves this article. It deserves to be a GA. Postoak (talk) 06:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: :Im amazed their isnt more information and photos about hurricane Ike. --Michaelkemp (talk) 02:23, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ike is mentioned in the History section, did you not see it? Also, see History of Galveston, Texas. The article is not about the recovery efforts, I suggest you create this if you want. THanks, Postoak (talk) 19:37, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Post-Ike

message: * Palisade Palms Trade Winds Tower (Under construction)
* Palisade Palms Beach Club (Under construction)
* The Emerald Condominiums (Under construction)
* Ocean Grove Condominiums (Under construction)
* East Beach Resort & Spa (Under construction) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Postoak (talk • contribs) 06:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you need/want help cleaning up the article, just let me know.  It seems to ramble and have various bits of information stuck about hap-hazardly.  --Nsaum75 (talk) 06:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely, I've been wanting to take this to GA for a while now, didn't have the time last Novemeber when it was being prepped. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 07:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving this temporarily

message: Moving from main page, we can work it in elsewhere, but most I think is NN. Postoak (talk) 07:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Do we want this?

message: Needs to be edited. Does this single event justify several paragraphs in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Postoak (talk • contribs) 08:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this story deserves it's own article! Centerone (talk) 08:10, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from article, undue weight

message: In September 2006, the City of Galveston charged 12-year old Dymond Milburn with felony assault. This was in response to an incident in which three plain-clothes police officers said that they mistook the 12-year old Milburn, who is black, for a white prostitute. Milburn was treated at the hospital for injuries including multiple contusions, bleeding from the nose and ear, deep choking marks at her neck, and a black eye as a result of her treatment at the hands of police officers. The police have countered that the choke marks were made by the tree which Dymond clung to with her arms and legs while the officers attempted to pull her into their unmarked van.  Chris Vogel "Finally, More Details on that Bizarre Galveston Police Incident" http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2009/01/dymond_milburn_galveston.php]The Houston PressJanuary 28, 2009  The child, an honor student, was put through two trials for felony assault against a police officer. The case against Milburn resulted in a hung jury with 5 voting to acquit and one voting against on February 10, 2009.  It was thus a mistrial. Chris Paschenko ["Girl cops allegedly mistook for hooker on trial" http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=dbb1f3ec0e4b1180] The Daily News 
February 7, 2009HARVEY RICE [Galveston girl’s police assault trial ends with hung jury http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6256265.html] Houston Chronicle
Feb. 10, 2009 The incident has sparked international outrage at Galveston County DAs Kurt Sistrunk and Joel Bennett for their use of the justice system to further traumatize a child already injured by the police.  Collateral News ["Dymond Milburn" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2YodfOWeuI Collateral News Network TVDecember 31, 2008 
The Galveston Police Department has had a history of police brutality incidents with little official response.Dolph Tillotson "Cops Sleaze Proves We Need Review Board" http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=7fd5fcad51bf2f94c8545f57966c90b3]Galveston County Daily NewsMay 29, 2008 A School Board leader has publicly stated he was the victim of police brutality by the GPD. Dolph Tillotson ["Wanted: Confidence in our Police" http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=0a83a07df302b327] Galveston County Daily News Eleven people at a wedding reception at the San Luis Resort were beaten by the Galveston Police, arrested and jailed.  Chris Paschenko ["Witnesses say police force not justified" http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=9b02fc047a377046c8545f57966c90b3]Galveston County Daily NewsOctober 7, 2008  Videos show Galveston police officers tasering and pepper spraying people who are not threatening the officers. Byrd7373 ["Galveston Police taser and pepperspray groomsman and father of the bride" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq0v50vT7bQ]Youtube October 5, 2008''
A FEMA Director of Operations attempting to report police brutality at the incident was jailed and arrested. Sara Foley ["FEMA Official Arrested - Tried to Complain" http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=60765e988f23988ec8545f57966c90b3]Galveston County Daily NewsOctober 7, 2008Scott Williams ["Meeting to Mull Police Claims" http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=dfa7e3280e9cd411c8545f57966c90b3]Galveston County Daily NewsJuly 9, 2007
: I think this story deserves it's own article! Centerone (talk) 08:10, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Police controversy

message: The East End Historic District  and other buildings  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Postoak (talk • contribs) 02:06, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The addition of the first black student at Ball High in 1965, I don't have a citation for what I put in, but I was a student at the time and that's how I know.  Probably a review of the Galveston Daily News archieves has mention of it, but I don't have access to it.Kyle Andrew Brown (talk) 14:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes and content

message: If there's no objection, I would like to prune the "farm" of Ike photos at the bottom of the article.  While visually interesting, I think they're being given undue weight and belong somewhere like Effects of Hurricane Ike in Texas rather than populating an article about a city. --Nsaum75 (talk) 08:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. How about one or two images related to storm damage in the Hurricane Ike section of the article? The gallery should cover the city as a whole. Maybe even remove the gallery altogether since inline images are preferred. Postoak (talk) 15:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ike photo farm

message: This was removed:
Public housing projects in Galveston were one of the hardest hit areas. The Galveston Housing Authority hopes to move away from traditional housing developments and adopt a program of building houses for individual low-income families. "Galveston Housing Authority to emulate Biloxi." Galveston County Daily News. November 30, 2008. Retrieved November 30, 2008.
Galveston ISD too suffered enormous damage from Hurricane Ike; the school district lost over 2,300 students, when compared to 07-08 enrollment numbers. ""Enrollment continues to grow as students return." Galveston Independent School District. October 16, 2008. Retrieved November 30, 2008. The Galveston postal operations temporarily moved to 14057 Delaney Road in La Marque. The United States Postal Service also operated postal pickup for Galveston residents at the North Houston Processing Center and North Houston Post Office at the 4600 block of Aldine Bender Road in Houston."Galveston Post Office Temporarily Moved to La Marque after Ike." Fox Houston 26. September 23, 2008."Post Office™ Location - NORTH HOUSTON." United States Postal Service. Retrieved on December 11, 2008. As of spring 2009, several restaurants resumed business, while some were still closed.Schilcutt, Katharine. "Taking Stock of Galveston's Restaurants." Houston Press. Sunday February 22, 2009. Retrieved on February 23, 2009.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Postoak (talk • contribs) 05:08, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ike coverage trimmed

message: I took this out but can work it back in later -
Galveston's beaches are much cleaner than in the past.  With the island's population showing greater concern for their environment, washed-up seaweed is now only moved back from the water's edge to allow the natural buildup and preservation of the beaches.  The beaches are now cleaned daily by the Galveston Park Board.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Postoak (talk • contribs) 07:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: External links were cleaned up - I removed the tourist and school links. Restore if you disagree, Thanks, Postoak (talk) 07:18, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: There seems to be some omitted content in the history. During the 20s and 30s the island had re-emerged as a major tourist destination for the rich and famous. The beauty pageants, swank night clubs, gambling, etc. were legendary. Granted some of what was going on was illegal (a lot revolved around Prohibition) but still it happened. Also mention should be given to the famous phrase "The Free State of Galveston" which used to embody the laissez-faire attitude about people having fun and getting away with things. That whole era ended in the 1950s.
Here's a really short summary (not authoritative but quick reading).
:Galveston Island. Its Time Has Come. Again.
For more detailed info look at
:Salvant, The historic seacoast of Texas, pg. 26
Also read the articles on Sam and Rosario Maceo and the Balinese Room. Those articles are pretty incomplete but they are a start.
--Mcorazao (talk) 22:29, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  20s and 30s 

message: There should be a subsection on healthcare -- given that the industry is a major employer in the city.  I'll dig up the sourcing and add it in --Nsaum75 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:00, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thanks. Postoak (talk) 21:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added some specifics on number of beds pre-ike as well as current beds post-ike.  I'm now compiling a list of the individual hospitals (there are seven) as well as some of the other non-utmb medical industries in the city, like the Transitional Learning Center (which eventually I would like to make an article for) that serves people with acute brain injuries, VA clinic system, and the TDCJ hospital (which is owned by TDCJ but staffed by UTMB doctors). --Nsaum75 (talk) 00:02, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Healthcare 

message: We need to re-introduce a crime section. Postoak (talk) 20:01, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the uniform crime reports for GPD as well as the UTMB police department....I will have to find online versions though, so we can use them as sources (given the nature of the material they contain, I feel it should be able to verified freely) --Nsaum75 (talk) 21:15, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe useful -     Postoak (talk) 02:20, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Crime

message: Can we get a better image or crop/touch-up this one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Postoak (talk • contribs) 20:59, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I will be back in Galveston this week, and can take a photo of one then. --Nsaum75 (talk) 21:14, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Postoak (talk) 00:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Thank you!! Will work it in later tonight. Postoak (talk) 01:37, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: ...needs to be trimmed, what do you think? Postoak (talk) 00:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The primary & secondary school section is too long/too detailed; some of it can easily be trimmed down.  If anyone objects, there is probably enough information available to later on create an all-inclusive article on Education in Galveston. --Nsaum75 (talk) 00:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the details about the individual schools within GISD should be removed. A number of them are likely to close in the next year anyhow...besides, they already are mentioned in the GISD article. --Nsaum75 (talk) 00:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I created a possible "Education in Galveston" sub-article in a sandbox, so that we can trim the Galveston article's education section (while leaving the information available somewhere else -- if its really needed).  A good part of the sandbox article is harvested from other articles, however the information copied lacked citations in the parent articles.  Therefore I am keeping it in the sandbox until adequate and proper sourcing can be added. --Nsaum75 (talk) 21:43, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I combined some of the private school references to a single reference that lists all schools - this should help with reference maintenance. Education in Galveston, Texas containes the individual references. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 22:03, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Education

message: I took another look at how the history section flowed and took the liberty of doing some restructuring and renaming. The new sections look like the following:
* Golden era
* Storm of 1900
* Rebuilding and the open era
* Recent history
My thinking is the following. First, I used the terms "Golden era" and "Open era" since these are commonly used historiographical terms for Galveston. I broke up the 20th century into 2 sections because the 1950s really were a major transition point in the island's history (the section was a little long anyway). Breaking it up at this point helps to clarify this transition.
Hope you all agree ...
--Mcorazao (talk) 05:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, looks good. Postoak (talk) 05:29, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work. Also, thanks for tying in your work on the Free State/Golden Era into this article. --Nsaum75 (talk) 05:49, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section renaming 

message: The new history summary is pretty good. Some comments, though.
* The paragraph on the history from Cabeza de Vaca to Jean Lafitte is perhaps a tad too detailed (it's debatable).
* The section glosses over the whole "Golden Era". That should be brought out a little more because of its importance.
* Too much is said about Cuney and the civil rights effort (compared to the overall text). One sentence discussing this is probably sufficient.
* The section on 1900 - 1940s should be titled differently. "Aftermath" has an obvious negative connotation and not everything about this period was negative.
* The 1900-1940s section has a bit too much detail. The discussion on immigration trends could be condensed a little. The Moodys deserve mention but that could be condensed to one sentence. Maybe even the "Open Era" paragraph could lose a sentence.
* The Post-WWII section should say a little something about the businesses that survived the end of the Open Era like the insurance businesses and the medical school. One sentence would suffice.
* Also, IMHO, listing the Galveston Hurricane of 1900 and Open Era of Galveston articles as "Further Information" at the top of the section is unnecessary. Doing that kind of implies that these two articles represent mostly all that is important about Galveston's history which is obviously not the case.
--Mcorazao (talk) 14:14, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a few revisions based on your suggestions. I wasn't to sure about what should be removed in the immigration section, maybe you or someone else can condense it. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 00:40, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to condense some early history (pirates etc) as well as some of the 19th century information.  In comparison to the City of Houston's history section, Galveston's is not that much greater in length; although, arguably, it makes sense that it would be longer as the "modern" history of Galveston extends back to the early 1800s, while Houston didn't really come into its own until the early 20th century. I also condensed the introduction a little, removing some of the details which are further explained in the history section. --Nsaum75 (talk) 04:18, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Observations on the new history summary 

message: The image of the Galveston seal is currently used in the Galveston navbox. The fair use rationale on the image is specified as expired copyright but there is no evidence to support this (and it seems highly unlikely). Anybody have any info on this? I have an article in FAC right now so if no explanation can be offered quickly then I have to remove it from the navbox.
--Mcorazao (talk) 02:30, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I can change the Fair Use notice to something more compatible for the image.  --nsaum75¡שיחת!‎ 02:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! --Mcorazao (talk) 02:41, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, let me call over to city hall in the morning and see if they can give me the date the logo was adopted.  Most historical documents I have come across use the logo, so it may well indeed fit the copyright expiration rational of 70 years. --nsaum75¡שיחת!‎ 02:42, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seal image 

message: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030214/1900-03-14/ed-1/seq-2.pdf
* New York Daily Tribune, Wed. March 14, 1900- ""Naval Station for Galveston" - this has a story about the City of Galveston offering a site to the US Navy 
WhisperToMe (talk) 09:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This also came up again in the 1980s, but the base re-alignment program killed it.  Congress had funded the initial steps towards opening a base. -- nsaum75 !Dígame¡‎ 10:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Navy base

message: I find it very odd that a Spanish explorer founded a town in Spanish territory (back then) by using English. Rather than Galvez Town it would have been more consistent that he used Ciudad Gálvez or something like that. Otherwise is if like an American pioneer founded a town in Nebraska calling it Pueblo Smith. 
So odd that this history sounds apocryphal. Maybe people have discussed about this before already? 87.204.242.206 (talk) 07:51, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Galvez was a governor of the area. It was named for him, not by him. ThoroughAndAccurateUser — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThoroughAndAccurateUser (talk • contribs) 05:21, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Galvez Town??

message: I found:
*Uchida, Adela. "Search for Galveston hotel debris in Gulf." KTRK-TV. Wednesday March 2, 2011.
WhisperToMe (talk) 16:28, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Demolition of Flagship Hotel

message: Several places in the article suffer from a lack of text wrapping around adjacent pictures and tables.   Please insert the appropriate style tags to eliminate these unsightly blank areas.Apachegila (talk) 11:52, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any issues with my browser. Could you please identify the images? Postoak (talk) 14:59, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text Wrap Problem 

message: *Meyers, Rhiannon. "17 new trees adorn Adoue Park." The Galveston County Daily News. December 3, 2009.
**The East End includes Adoue Park
*"New York City foundation helps Galveston kids." City of Galveston at the Houston Chronicle. Tuesday December 16, 2008.
**The Rosenberg Elementary building is in the East End
*Thompson, Carter. "Candidates debate GISD’s East End record." The Galveston Daily News. May 2, 2003.
**Distinction between areas west and east of 61st Street
**Rosenberg and San Jacinto elementaries are on the east end.
**Austin Middle School serves the "East End"
WhisperToMe (talk) 09:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: East End

message: *Connelly, Richard. "A Seawall For The West End Of Galveston?." Houston Press. Monday October 27, 2008.
*Connelly, Richard. "West Galveston Tells Cops: You'll Pry Our Golf Carts From Our Cold, Dead, Lazy Hands." Houston Press. Thursday November 5, 2009.
WhisperToMe (talk) 04:58, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: West End

message: There's no mention at all of Robert Durst on this page, who is arguably more well known then anyone listed in the "famous residents" section. I'd add it myself if I knew how, but this guy brought more attention to Galveston then the storm. Him not being in the article makes the article feel unfinished.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.5.124 (talk) 00:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert Durst 

message: Welcome Winter Texans! Now that you've escaped the cold winter by heading south, it's island time! Galveston Island's tropical climate and breathtaking views of the Gulf of Mexico provide the relaxing escape you've been longing for. Yet, you'll feel right at home with the small town culture and southern hospitality found on this historic island.
galveston winter  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.197.220.7 (talk) 05:21, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winter Galveston 

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message: Trying to educate myself and I was surprised that there's no mention of Juneteenth on this page. jezmck (talk) 19:37, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juneteenth 

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message: I noticed that the 1915 Galveston hurricane has no mention in this article. I think it should be mentioned. 2600:4041:474:D00:78B7:EA91:4E9F:63CC (talk) 20:11, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issue 

message: I can  name three suburbs of Houston right off the bat that are bigger than Galveston: Conroe; Sugar Land; Pearland. Why go on? There are probably half a dozen more, at least.
In fact, as a former Houstonian, I can tell you that Galveston has never been considered by the vast majority  of Houstonians even to be a suburb of Houston, so I don’t know where the writer got this information. 63.155.110.98 (talk) 12:48, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Galveston is not the largest suburb of Houston, and the comment is not even footnoted 

message: Galveston ghost culture is mentioned but not explicated.  What is it? Kdammers (talk) 23:00, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ghost culture 

message: Why does the estimated maximum figure for deaths in the Galveston Hurricane read 12,000 (without citation) but say 8,000 (with citation) in the subsection on the Hurricane in the History section? It needs reconciling somehow.Cloptonson (talk) 19:36, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Highest estimate of 1900 Hurricane death toll (anomaly)