Talk:Perso-Turkic war of 627–629

message: The article seems very well written, but where are the references?Hajji Piruz 14:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: The pre-War boundaries were reinstated after the war. The Khazars did not stay to occupy the land, they left, alhtough the Khazar king did get taxes from the area, even after he left.Hajji Piruz 20:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the territorial changes part isnt even necessary, as there were none. THe Result of the war was reinstatement of pre-war boundaries.Hajji Piruz 20:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will not argue over this point. It is evident to anyone reading the article that at one point the Gokturks controlled all of Transcaucasia, and only the civil war in Central Asia induced them to back down. --Ghirla-трёп- 20:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's accurate. According to Minorsky: Византийцы не расширяли своих владений в Восточном Закавказье, большая часть которого оставалась во власти хазар до прихода арабов.  Byzantines did not expand their possessions in Transcaucasia, most of which remained under the Khazar rule before the arrival of Arabs. Grandmaster 05:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Territorial changes

message: There are at least three clear indications within: 
:"Hostilities were initiated in 627 AD by Khagan Tong Yabghu of the Western Göktürks and Emperor Heraclius of the Eastern Roman Empire";
:"The next objective of the Turkic-Byzantine offensive...''
:"Before long these departed as well, leaving the Byzantines to continue the siege alone and prompting jeers from the besieged";
Ghirla, note also that the infobox lists Heraclius as another commander :) --Brand спойт 14:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there is no doubt that both the Byzantines and the Khazars fought on the same front in the Caucasus. The Byzantines should be included.Hajji Piruz 14:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Infoboxes are evil. They engender controversy where there is none. The Byzantine and Gokturk offensives overlapped, but that does not mean the wars were identical. --Ghirla-трёп- 15:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not mixing up the wars. The question is who participated in that war :) --Brand спойт 17:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another combatant 

message: Presumably Andreas... AnonMoos 22:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Andrew?

message: I did the GA review for the article. Findings:
:1. Well written?: Fluent, well organized, no grammatical short-comings.
:2. Factually accurate?: No errors as far as I can say.
:3. Broad in coverage?: Covers pretty much everything in a balanced way, well referenced throughout.
:4. Neutral point of view?: Yes.
:5. Article stability? Article is pretty new, but last 2 weeks have been fairly stable. No apparent disputes in the air apart some minor wordings.
:6. Images?: Images feel a bit fragmented and improvements on this sector could be the focus in the future.
Passing GA. Added the article to Wikipedia:Good_articles under "Conflicts, battles and military exercises". ----Drieakko 12:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA review 

message: As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the requirements of the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I fixed a minor mistake that had messed up the references. Although the article passes, a source should be added for the quote ""With their swords raised, they advanced on the walls, and all this multitude, climbing upon each other's shoulders, rose up the walls. A black shadow fell upon the wobegone citizens; they were vanquished and lost their ground", Movses narrates." If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have edited the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 07:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps Review: Pass

message: Transcaucasia was part of persian empire but conquered by Turks in 3rd perso-Turkic war. and ruled by Turks until Arabs. so, I changed battle result from Indecisive to Turko-Byzantine victory.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BöriShad (talk • contribs) 14:21, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a published source that states this? --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:04, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/SassanianEmpireHistoryofIran.png persian empire. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Chasaren.jpg Turks. you can clearly see on those maps Transcaucasia was part of sassanids then became Turkic and Turks kept Transcaucasia until Arab conquestsBöriShad (talk) 09:36, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transcaucasia conquered by Turks but result says Indecisive 

message: I post pre-war and after-war maps of Transcaucasia. Transcaucasia was part of sassanids then became part of Turkic Khaganate. also you keep adding iranian sources to this page. this page needs impartial sources not Kaveh Farrokh's books.BöriShad (talk) 11:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: do you have any sources that persian kept transcaucasia after war?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BöriShad (talk • contribs) 11:13, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

text: same says caucasia and transcaucasia was part of Khazars in Khazar-Arab wars  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BöriShad (talk • contribs) 11:34, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Blankinship (1994), p. 106 BöriShad (talk) 11:37, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

text: dude, if that source doesn't says, please you show me a source that says caucasia was part of iran in 7th c.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BöriShad (talk • contribs) 11:47, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: check this out Minorsky, Vladimir. A History of Sharvan and Darband in the 10th-11th Centuries. Cambridge, 1958. "In the late 6th to early 7th centuries the territory of Albania became an arena of wars between Sassanid Persia, Byzantium, and the Khazar Khanate, the latter two very often acting as allies against Sassanid Persia. In 628, during the Third Perso-Turkic War, the Khazars invaded Albania, and their leader Ziebel declared himself Lord of Albania, levying a tax on merchants and the fishermen of the Kura and Araxes rivers "in accordance with the land survey of the kingdom of Persia". Most of Transcaucasia was under Khazar rule before the arrival of the Arabs" BöriShad (talk) 11:50, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you not provide a page number? Subsequent searches have only one mention of Ziebel and no mention of "Lord of Albania". --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:23, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

text: according to Minorsky transcaucasia was part of Khazars until arrival of Arabs. page loading slow but you can find that book in here http://rbedrosian.com/Ref/Minorsky/minorsky.html BöriShad (talk) 12:22, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

text: I used "arabs" to find. BöriShad (talk) 12:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

text: sorry misunderstood. "Download in .pdf format" you can find there  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BöriShad (talk • contribs) 13:02, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

text: I just misunderstood you and said "arabs" I meant use arabs to searh on document here pic from that page. http://oi44.tinypic.com/jzux3m.jpg BöriShad (talk) 14:11, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

text: do you have any non-iranian sources For God's sake? BöriShad (talk) 14:58, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests#Conquest_of_the_Caucasus:_711.E2.80.93750  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BöriShad (talk • contribs) 14:59, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

text: your sources shows Turks 300.000 in first and second wars and you call that source reliable? BöriShad (talk) 15:12, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I posted impartial source. lets leave this to users of Wikipedia. BöriShad (talk) 15:14, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

text: add some reliable and impartial sources. not from iranian online or kaveh's books. I added one more reliable sources to the page. BöriShad (talk) 11:10, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

text: stop deleting sources from the page  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BöriShad (talk • contribs) 13:58, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

text: are you kidding? you're deleting reliable sources and adding iranian nationalists sites as source? according to Vladimir Minorsky, Peter B. Golden and Otto Harrasowitz, Transcaucasia was part of Khazar Khaganate and Arabs fought for Caucasia against Khazars not persians. so stop adding natioanlist bull**** to this page.BöriShad (talk) 14:08, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

text: yes, when you do not have words to tell, try to act cool. good job. I'm saying; "add non-iranian sources" because this war fought between a nation and iranians. so, iranians can not be objective. I added non Turkish and non iranian sources. and, said before, lets leave this page to other users. because you keep deleting my sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BöriShad (talk • contribs) 14:18, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, HistoryofIran and Börishad, stop editing the article....NOW. And both: consider this a warning. Hop over to the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring...and try to get a third opinion to boot; build consensus, and I frankly do not care who is right or wrong; the next one of you to edit the article and reverting again will earn a block. Regards. Lectonar (talk) 14:48, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

text: I have retracted my personal opinion above; it was uncalled for....but my advice stands. Just as a sidenote: even when you consider all the sources would still be available and neutral, you could nver be sure waht is "truth". Lectonar (talk) 14:57, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

text: I have made a proposal for the reopening of the DRN listing. Please see and respond here. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:17, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  iranian nationalists stop changing the result 

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