Talk:Luger pistol

message: The section on Lugers being collectible items states...
"All Luger pistols have collector value with some models, such as the "American Eagle" (having the eagle stamp over the chamber), being more desirable."
I'm no collector, but why exactly is this more desirable? Is this a valid statement and not just a replica producer putting their brand name on he net? I might be missing the point, but I'd have thought an original would be more desirable than an American produced replica with incorrect markings. Anyone got any input on this?
--79.72.166.168 23:08, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: DWM supplied pistols to the US military trials at the beginning of the 20th Century with the eagle over the chamber. These trials pistols, especially the .45 version, are origingal, especially rare and sought after. The US importer Stoeger also put them on some models, but that is not what is referred to.ChrisPer (talk) 02:28, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Collectible

message: Currently there are seven pictures on this article one right after the other.  This seems like too many considering that the article itself is fairly small.  BigSciZot 19:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  I removed of the redundant pics while doing other edits. Thernlund 21:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many pictures?

message: What is the difference between a Luger and a Ruger. Is Luger the type of gun, while Ruger is a brand?
:You can ever go as far as to say they're two different "brands" that just share an inconsequential similarity in their spelling. Veritas Panther 03:12, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interestingly some Rugers look a bit like Lugers.--Kalmia 11:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions

message: 'Toggle lock' links to 'firearm actions', which contains no mention of toggle lock.  Someone please edit it to include it. -Toptomcat 14:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if it's worth mentioning the Maxim-type guns regarding its toggle lock, since the Luger's action is very much like an "open-topped Vickers".  Just a thought, anyway...--194.247.53.233 17:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Toggle lock

message: The title of this article should be Parabellum (pistol) or something similar, since that is the proper name of the gun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.79.230 (talk) 20:44, 20 April 2006‎ (UTC)
:It should not. The ammunition for the 9mm version of the Luger is called 9mm ParaBellum, 9mm Para, 9x19, 9mm or 9mm Luger. ParaBellum comes from : Si vis pacem, para bellum, which means those whos seek peace, prepare for war. This is not the only cartridge it was chambered for, there are also lugers chambered in .30 Luger, 7.65mm Parabellum also referred to by some as 7,65 swiss or 7,65 siwss ordnance.
:The proper name is "Luger Pistol" and not "Luger P08 pistol" hence, the Luger was called P08 (Pistole 08) in the german army but p06 in the swiss army. The name Luger is an overall name and P08 is not.  
::—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.84.171.1 (talk) 11:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Luger" is only a US nickname and the name of the designer. But PO8 is in fact only the name of the pistol in the German Army. --Martin (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

text: The present article should be renamed as "Parabellum pistol". The real name whith what the pistol was patented by DWM is "Parabellum". Patent was registered when DWM was formed in 1897 when the company Deutsche Metallpatronenfabrik was fusioned with the Ludwig Loewe & Co. The denomination of "Luger" was introduced later by his dealer in the USA Hans Tauscher refering to the name of his designer Georg Luger. P08 is only the name of the 1908 9mm. model. --Aofvilla (talk) 18:42, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: What does "hot" mean in the following sentence?: "American 9 mm ammunition is nowhere near as hot as German military-spec ammunition"
Could that be re-written for people unfamiliar with firearms jargon?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffkw (talk • contribs) 
:I believe that 'hot' means it has more powder behind the bullet.  Someone correct me if I am wrong.  --Kalmia 11:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hot ammo

message: I'm thinking this article should be renamed P08 Luger or Luger P08, as this is more correct and encyclopedic title than "Luger Pistol". Any objections? --Commander Zulu 09:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's my understanding that the article is named "Luger pistol" because the "P08" designation is a specific German military name and it is also know under the Swiss "P00" (adopted in 1900) designation among others.--Sus scrofa 13:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The Luger was named P08 (Pistole 08) in the german army and P06 in the swiss army. Still the most used name for this kind/model/type of handgun is "Luger".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.84.171.1 (talk) 11:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested Renaming

message: Hi:
In the final section, we begin with the phrase 'Although obsolete in many ways,' without explaining why this is so. I'm not a gun person, so I may be missing an obvious point here.
Andy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.175.167 (talk) 05:14, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it means that is obsolete compared to the type of guns produced today. Like it wouldn't be suitable for military use today, though i dont belive that statment. If you compare a Luger to a FN five seven, the Luger would look competly obselete. Well thats my answer andy, though i may be competly wrong who knows $_$BonesBrigade 05:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phrase in the article 

message: Considering it's one of the most famous and expensive pistols of all time, I'm surprised it's not already in this article. Anyone care to draft something up?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.61.223 (talk) 08:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not the most famous or most expensive pistol of all time.  Indeed, it is notable, but it's also drifting into history this being about 100 years from when it was first tested. --I am Asamuel (talk) 12:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the most expensive semi-auto pistol that I know of.  Only two are known to exist today.  Pre-auction valuations are generally in the million-dollar range.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.162.249.249 (talk) 03:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The .45 luger 

message: While the page name lacks the period, the page text at present uses both forms, likewise the discussions above (whose conclusions re: nomenclature I fail to grasp, by the way). I would appreciate an authentication of the model name. -- Deborahjay (talk) 09:43, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  P08 vs. P.08 

message: Could someone tell me where I can find a web page that shows how to take apart an 08 luger pistol? Thank youSilverfox61 (talk) 16:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:NOTFORUM then google the term "Luger disassembly". --Nukes4Tots (talk) 17:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  breakdown of an 08 luger 

message: It was a Luger with a extra long barral.--LandonJaeger (talk) 18:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And a forward mounted rear tangent sight calibrated to 800m with automatic drift correction (the tang shifted left as it was raised) AND micrometer adjustments on both front and rear sights. Consequently the LP08 was capable of precision shooting to at least 200m. At least mine is.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.215.115.31 (talk) 19:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artillery Luger 

message: It says that it was used in the Chinese Civil War but how if the weapon was already considered obsolete and was no longer manufactured by the time of the Chinese Civil War. Anyone?  --Coffeekid (talk) 04:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Chinese used many handguns on both sides during the CCW of 1927-1950 including the Luger (Parabellum): In 1924, just before the outbreak of the CCW, a review of Chinese Nationalist small arms reported that "Among officers, bodyguards, and police, the German Parabellum (Luger) 9-mm automatic pistol was the weapon of choice..." Waldron, Arthur, From War to Nationalism: China's Turning Point, 1924-25, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0521472385 (1995), p. 57. Just because a handgun is no longer manufactured doesn't mean it isn't available and can't be pressed into service.  Chinese officers (both Red and Nationalist) would have considered any Luger a prized sidearm. The C96 Mauser was an even older design and it was used by Red Chinese troops until well after the Korean War. Dellant (talk) 22:38, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Usage in Chinese Civil War

message: So was it produced from 1900 to 1943, or 1908 to 1945? Article is ambiguous on this point. Drutt (talk) 00:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends upon who was the manufacturer. German production was 1900-1943. Swiss 1900-1946. Not including later production by other manufacturers including Mauser using the Swiss tooling during the late 1960s-1970s and other copies.Dellant (talk) 22:55, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates of production

message: The article talks about .30 Lugers being produced commercially around 1923. An old Sears catalog shows them being sold to American civilians as early as 1908. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the sentence in "usage today."  1908 Sears catalog reprint   Mark in Iowa (talk) 04:51, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: As well as commercial production

message: The toggle action of the Luger is unusual; I don't know of any modern hand pistol that uses it.  It would be interesting if someone could add pictures or diagrams of the gun in action, showing the toggle function.98.170.195.140 (talk) 00:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toggle Lock 

message: The Luger on the photo is a Model 1900, impossible to be a copy of the later P 08. -- hmaag (talk) 10:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: American Eagle photo

message: I know a local gun shop in the USA that sells Luger artillery pistols, should this be added to users ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.74.103 (talk) 09:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Users 

message: "(calibrated to 800 metres)"  
No way, guys! No fucking way! 
Maybe foot instead of meter, but even this would be no effective combat range for this kind of weapon/ammo.
: Germany uses the metric system, so it is definitely not foot 109.84.150.140 (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lange Pistole 

message: The Navy modell uses a 6 inch barrel. The picutre shows a standard 4 inch barrel. The title P08 of the German Reichsmarine is therefore wrong or at least misleading 109.84.150.140 (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture title seems to be wrong 

message: a _ rchiv _ e.i _ s/RItO9
Some say George loved to play this game, but it can not be done with this gun.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.158.170.191 (talk) 09:49, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: The '''Original Superhero ReevesG.''' Luger Gun & Russian Roullette

message: I have amended the section references of barrel lengths in imperial inches. All Parabellum/Luger pistols were designed and manufactured using the metric system and this is the correct reference when discussing any dimensional features. (SM527RR (talk) 00:15, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metric dimensions 

message: I have deleted the paragraph stating that Luger grips were only made of plastic and that wooden grips are an aftermarket replacement. This is complete nonsense. ALL Parabellum/Luger pistols, regardless of manufacturer, were produced with wooden grips until around 1940. At that time Mauser and Kreighoff began to use plastics until the end of production in 1944. I stand to be corrected on those exact dates by someone who is more expert on the WW2 models. (SM527RR (talk) 04:17, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have seen post 1940 weapons with both original wooden grips and the plastic version so I don't think that you can say that plastic grips = older - I imagine that as the war progressed wooden grips may be more common simply because of supply issues - the weapon was made in a number of factories throughout WW2.  Wooden grips were certainly the only option for early guns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.178.17.94 (talk • contribs) 10:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grips material 

message: An image used in this article, , has been nominated for deletion at Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests January 2012 
;What should I do?
Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.
* If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use)
* If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used.
This notification is provided by a Bot --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 17:28, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: File:LA2-Blitz-0150 Parabellum-Selbstladepistole.jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: Hello. I don't presume to be an expert on guns, (in fact I haven't fired one yet.) But does the P08 Luger have a more specific Rate of Fire than just Semi-Automatic? Let me know if I am wrong, but I have read about different semi-automatic guns and some do have different Rounds per Minute. (rpm) Am I wrong on this one? MKA  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.9.60.164 (talk) 15:09, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK, the rate of fire of a semi-automatic firearm is determined by how fast the trigger is pulled (of course accuracy suffers from firing too fast), so there is no set cyclic rate of fire for such weapons. --Sus scrofa (talk) 16:45, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The answer is: 116 rpm (rounds per minute), which is the maximum, not sustained, rate of fire.  Source: Proceedings Of The United States Naval Institute, Annapolis MD, Vol. 27, No. 1 (March 1901) p. 436: "At the recent tests of the [Luger] pistol at the Springfield Armory thirty shots were fired from the Luger in about 15 1/2 seconds, a rate of fire of 116 shots a minute.  As the magazine holds but eight cartridges, this means that the magazine must have been replaced three times, starting with the arm loaded.  This is double the rate of fire obtained from any other [contemporary] automatic pistol." Dellant (talk) 16:35, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  P08 Luger Rate of Fire 

message: If indeed "Parabellum" comes from Si/se vis pacem, para bellum, then this should be present in the article, and sourced/referenced, of course. --Jerome Potts (talk) 16:23, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't.  'Parabellum' was DWM's cable address which Georg Luger and DWM borrowed to name the perfected autoloading pistol and cartridge derived from the Borchardt design.  'Pistole Parabellum' sounds a lot better than 'Borchardt-Luger'. U.S. sales agents for the pistol always referred to it in their marketing after the name of the inventor, Luger, which is why Americans use that term.  Since there are a lot of American gun owners, the pistol's commonly accepted name will remain 'Luger' forevermore.Dellant (talk) 12:58, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: There you go: Si vis pacem, para bellum, and two sources:
*
*
What's missing is which was named that first: the cartridges, or the weapons? --Jerome Potts (talk) 18:32, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Parabellum" name origin 

message: Hello there!
I have been recently on Museo de Armas de La Nación Tte. Gral. Pablo Riccheri, Buenos Aires, Argentina. In which the weapons used by the three branches of the Armed Forces were displayed and I saw both the Mauser C96 and Luger pistol displayed too alongside several other german built pistols. Since I don't have any way to add a source I could leave the picture featuring the weapons I mentioned on the display case of the museum.
--190.175.40.6 (talk) 01:17, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Argentina 

message: Does anyone here have information that can help to resolve whether it was a P06 or P08 that was used in the Annecy shooting? Currently they are referring to the P06, which a gun friend of mind has told me is very rare and quite unlikely. The question has been raised on  their talk page Pmw57 (talk) 23:10, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Annecy shooting 

message: All the Lugers had a micrometer adjustable front sight, never heard about a micrometer adjustable rear sight. -- hmaag (talk) 11:24, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  LP08's had micrometer adjustable front and rear sights 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Luger pistol. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20041115220142/http://gmund.rennlist.com:80/luger/ to http://gmund.rennlist.com/luger/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 07:52, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Captured Luger's were much prized by Allied soldiers during both of the world wars as war trophies. However, during World War II, German soldiers were aware of this and would use Luger's as "bait", rigging them to detonate land mines or hidden booby traps when disturbed.
I think: Luger's pistol was an evolution of the Borchard designed C 93; but capured Lugers were much prized.... -- hmaag (talk) 09:59, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lugers or Luger's 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Luger pistol. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150402114327/http://www.lebaneseforces.com/wsemiauto.asp to http://www.lebaneseforces.com/wsemiauto.asp
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 12:40, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Luger pistol. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110103025032/http://gunstribune.com/handguns/bulgaria/luger-9mm to http://gunstribune.com/handguns/bulgaria/luger-9mm
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 13:11, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article contains this text "the U.S. Board of Ordnance purchased 1,000 Model 1900 Parabellum pistols with 4.75-inch barrels, marked with standard U.S. ordnance bomb proofs and "American Eagle" stamps over the chambers, "
The small stamps on early DWM Parabellum pistols that resemble a US Flame & Shell are actually a DWM in process inspection mark and not in any was related to the US test.  the text should be revised to say "the U.S. Board of Ordnance purchased 1,000 Model 1900 Parabellum pistols with 4.75-inch barrels, marked "American Eagle" stamps over the chambers, "  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.196.74 (talk) 22:27, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  US.    Bomb proofs - not 

message: Should there be some coverage of this?  There were a tiny number of pre-war versions made, but also more by at least one post-war company.--Surv1v4l1st ╠Talk║Contribs╣ 20:21, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: And, tangentially, what about some coverage of the post-war commercial variants?  I think it warrants inclusion somewhere, though most models probably don't require a standalone article. --Surv1v4l1st ╠Talk║Contribs╣ 19:17, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baby Lugers? 

message: Barrel does not move during reloading action!!
Breach and toggle lock do not barrel it is screwed into the frame of the pistol
Do.nosword@gmail.com 120.20.91.21 (talk) 15:48, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation of firing sequence of Luger 9mm wrong