Talk:Justin Berry

message: I changed the heading from Kenneth Gourlay to Ken Gourlay.  I'm not sure how this was a sourcing issue;  I changed it to match how Gourlay is referred to in the following paragraphs and in Berry's quote. --SSBohio 21:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Heading change

message: I wikilinked to the article on Camp CAEN to provide more context about how Gourlay brought Berry to Michigan. --SSBohio 21:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Add wikilink to Camp CAEN

message: I changed
:In his testimony, Berry said that Gourlay had molested Berry while Berry was in Michigan attending this camp.
to
:In his testimony, Berry alleged that Gourlay had molested him while Berry was in Michigan attending this camp.
I see alleged as the more accurate terminology, since it was an accusation of wrongdoing on Gourlay's part, but it's a very minor point.  I also changed the second reference to Berry to read him because saying Berry's name three times in one sentence sounded awkward. --SSBohio 21:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Berry's allegation of child sexual abuse

message: I removed this sentence and put it into a separate paragraph in altered form, since reviewing the sources revealed that the sentences Gourlay received were not accurately divided between the crimes committed against his two victims.  The original sentence said:
:Gourlay was convicted of several statutory counts of having sexual intercourse with Berry and another teen while both were under 16, Michigan's age of consent, and was sentenced to 10 to 15 years in prison. 
Having more paragraphs but shorter makes readong easier, and that the importance of Gourlay's criminal trials and convictions is better explained in a separate paragraph. --SSBohio 21:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed sentence about Gourlay's conviction

message: ====Gourlay's allegations====
I created this paragraph, which stated that:
:Gourlay alleged that Berry "had addictions to drugs and money, and eventually to sex" both before and after they met. When Gourlay heard about Berry's foray into pornography, he "pleaded with [Berry] to find another source of income and redoubled [his own] efforts to help him grow his (website) design business."
This is a scaled back version of a longer quote.  The factual information regarding Berry's addiction & activities has been corroborated by Berry, and Gourlay's quotes come from a letter he wrote. --SSBohio 21:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Letter from Ken Gourlay published by GenerationQ
GenerationQ published this letter from Gourlay before his conviction.  If anything, Gorlay's attempt to justify what happened goes far to show that he was plainly wrong in his whole conception of the situation.  I read the letter and I came away thinking "Wow, how could he be so blind to what he was doing?" --SSBohio 21:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Second paragraph

message: I created this paragraph, which stated that:
:Gourlay alleged that Berry "had addictions to drugs and money, and eventually to sex" both before and after they met. When Gourlay heard about Berry's foray into pornography, he "pleaded with [Berry] to find another source of income and redoubled [his own] efforts to help him grow his (website) design business."
This is a scaled back version of a longer quote.  The factual information regarding Berry's addiction & activities has been corroborated by Berry, and Gourlay's quotes come from a letter he wrote. --SSBohio 21:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Letter from Ken Gourlay published by GenerationQ
GenerationQ published this letter from Gourlay before his conviction.  If anything, Gorlay's attempt to justify what happened goes far to show that he was plainly wrong in his whole conception of the situation.  I read the letter and I came away thinking "Wow, how could he be so blind to what he was doing?" --SSBohio 21:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gourlay's allegations

message: Original:
:Starting in 2006, Berry has worked as a paid public speaker and has secured professional representation.
Edited:
:Starting in 2006, Berry has worked as a paid public speaker represented by an agent.
Since the extra verbiage didn't add meaning to the sentence, I shortened it. --SSBohio 21:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Current activities section

message: :*"Justin Berry - Sex, Lies and Videotape" - GenerationQ
:*"The Winner Takes All" - GenerationQ
:*"How Old Am I?" - Report on Berry's testimony aghainst Gourlay GenerationQ
:*"A Letter From Casey July 15 2006" - GenerationQ
:*"A Letter From Casey November 20 2006" - GenerationQ
These all come from GenerationQ (website), an Australian LGBT online magazine.  --SSBohio 21:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: External links section

message: Wow, this article is still being Whitewash (censorship)?  I'd expect after all this time for there to be a little objectivity.  75.16.113.54 (talk) 18:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gah! 

message: Somebody please Cover this article with an unbiased nature. If you want to know the truth:
http://www.wikitruth.info/index.php?title=Uncensored:Justin_Berry  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.87.136 (talk) 00:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is The New York Times Censoring this Article to preserve their "Reputation"? 

message: The following external links I moved from the grossly bloated EL section.  Per WP:ELNO point 1, these sources should either be integrated into the main body of the text or deleted (if they can't be integrated, what do they add to the page?)  The EL section isn't a holding area for possible references, that's the talk page.  Even the titles are repeating information in the case of the DFP and LSJ articles.   WLU (t) (c) (rules - simple rules) 17:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: A discussion about his mysterious death and lack of reliable sources was had in December 2020 and can be found at WP:RSN in the archives under the section title "Death of Justin Berry / User:JustinBerry" .. probably will end up in "/Archive 321" or somewhere around there. -- GreenC 17:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: For those who are having trouble finding it, the discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 322#Death of Justin Berry / User:JustinBerry. Shāntián Tàiláng (talk) 15:39, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I recently reverted the death addition that an IP editor that had slipped under the radar for some time. Nothing new has been brought to the table that wasn't mentioned at the discussion above, there are still no proper references for this person's death (or even that they went missing). FDW777 (talk) 16:33, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

text: I have reverted another attempt to add a claimed death. It was a slight improvement on what's been attempted before, in that it included a Mexican media reference asking for public help with the disappearance of a Justin Knute Berry. The difficulty in leaving in a possibly properly referenced sentence about his disappearance is that it may encourage people to add an unacceptably referenced death, since there are still no reliable references for his death (ignoring the WP:BLPPRIMARY violating probate documents). But others may disagree on that point. FDW777 (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: It seems odd to describe giving testimony before the a U.S. House committee as having "appeared on C-SPAN" in the "Media Appearances" section. While the event may have been broadcast on C-SPAN, it would not be considered a media appearance.
Considering this information is repeated in more detail and with more context in the more appropriate section "Interviews and Congressional testimony", shouldn't the entire sentence be removed? Sentence in question: "Berry, Eichenwald and Gourlay appeared on C-SPAN, giving testimony before the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee of the United States House Committee on Energy and Commerce."
After re-reading the article, it seems odd to me to have the Oprah interview mentioned in the "Interviews and Congressional testimony" section yet mentioning other interviews in the "Media Appearances" section. I think the Oprah interview should be moved to the "Media Appearances" section, and perhaps the other section could be renamed "Congressional Testimony".
Prunenoveggie (talk) 08:04, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appeared on C-SPAN?