Talk:Mozambique Drill

message: Rhodesian Mike Rousseau was serving as a mercenary in Mozambique at the time.  <---when?
Certainly not at any time during the Mozambican independence war, as neither rhodesian mercenaries nor Frelimo members were ever present at Lourenço Marques Airport during that period. Any history of the independence/colonial war can confirm that there was no such fighting in the capital. This story is a fabrication, it part or in the whole. And it is a demonstration of the crappy quality of Wikipedia that the denunciation of it gets a "citation needed" and ends up being deleted from the page, while the original fabrication remains, backed by nothing!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.90.159.130 (talk) 01:52, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: At the time?

message: Was there something special about fighting in Mozambique (e.g. lots of child soldiers hopped up on drugs) that lead to this drill or was it just coincidence that it was developed in Mozambique.  Funkyj 18:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mozambique, coincidence?

message: Contrary to popular belief, the immediate aim of defensive shooting is to incapacitate a target so as to render the attacker incapable of further attack. 
I found myself unable to imagine, and immensely curious, as to what the 'popular belief' here might be.  It might be worth including it in brackets.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.126.3 (talk) 10:13, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Contrary to popular belief?

message: Because at the moment all we have is assertions and a list of supposed appearances in fictional works. If this a technique taught to anyone, anywhere under this name (and named in events which are unattributed and involve forces which may or may not have served at the place and time in question) why are there no references available?
If it cannot be attributed why should this article exist?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.22.9.252 (talk) 05:13, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It originated from Jeff Cooper, who described it in Modern Technique of the Pistol. It says so right there in the article. Asdfzxc920 (talk) 07:05, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Quite classic in IPSC shooting (the origins might as well be mythical though).Aeriscors (talk) 20:18, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there any evidence that this exists? 

message: the Djibouti Shooty alternate nickname that has been added several times originates from a firearms related message board.  Although unofficial, that group does use the term extensively.  Now, my question is, how widespread does that nickname have to get before adding it is adding real information to the article, as opposed to vandalism?  Genuinely curious here, and thinking that it isn't appropriate to add yet, so I won't at this point.  But, at what point does that change?03:53, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Djibouti Shooty 

message: I reverted the change in the lead of "double tap" to "controlled pair," restoring double tap. Regarding the edit note explanation for the original edit - A double tap is often confused with a controlled pair. A double tap is a legal term from the UCMJ used to describe when a shooter engages and clears a threat only to return later and place another round in (now non lethal) threat. - it appears there is more than one definition of double tap, and the one intended in this article is the one described in the double tap article, "two shots are fired in rapid succession at the same target with the same sight picture (different from the controlled pair, where a second sight picture is acquired for the second shot)."
Quick additional research into a UCMJ definition turned up an explanation of the "dead check" usage of double tap that says, "There is no official or agreed upon definition of a practice often encountered among US soldiers and Marines in Afghanistan and Iraq," and elaborates with:
:"A reasonable definition of double-tapping is: during the initial transit of a military objective, to indiscriminately twice shoot a wounded or an apparently dead enemy to ensure he is not feigning death. A double tap should not be confused with a 'controlled double,' which is the firing of two aimed shots at a lawful enemy target." - The Law of Armed Conflict: International Humanitarian Law in War (2010, Cambridge University Press; p. 327-328)
This alternative definition should be included in the Other uses of the term section of the Double tap article. --Tsavage (talk) 20:08, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double tap vs controlled pair: different definitions of "double tap" 

message: Why is it that anything at all which might relate to someone of black skin must be treated like an original eggshell from the Garden of Eden?  I submit that, had the technique originated in a war in Sweden and had been dubbed the "Swedish Technique," the two LAPD police officers would have never thought to rename it.  I grow really tired of political correctness.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarvinLuse (talk • contribs) 10:03, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a discussion board so your opinions are irrelevant. What matters is that it literally was renamed due to concerns about racist overtones, not your opinion that this is "political correctness". Take it elsewhere. Ogress 22:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  concerned that "Mozambique" might have racial overtones 

message: The "popular culture" section needs sources. Any material without a secondary source should be removed eventually. Otherwise the material is original research. Felsic2 (talk) 18:58, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: To preserve the material in case suitable sources can be found. I'll reinsert the Collateral info, since it does have what seems like a good source. Felsic2 (talk) 19:26, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

text: Restored again. Felsic2 (talk) 15:41, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture sources 

message: The Mozambique Drill's distinctive name and rapid fire pattern of "two to the chest, one to the head" have been used in numerous TV shows and films, and in other media, including:
Film
*Black Hawk Down (2001): A captain tells one of his subordinates, "Anything comes through that door, you give him two in the chest and one in the head."
*Collateral (2004): This is professional hitman Vincent's preferred killing technique, and is used several times, including in the stolen briefcase confrontation scene.
*Heat (1995): The technique is used twice, once during the armored car robbery scene, when one of the robbers executes one of the armored car guards with two shots to the torso and one shot to the head, and later when a traitor to the team is similarly killed.
*John Wick (2014):  After coming out of retirement, the second of 4 assassins John Wick takes out gets two shots to the torso and one to the head.  The other 3 get headshots only.
*Killers (2010): After discovering his boss shot to death, Spencer says, "It's two to the heart, one in the head. It's old school training."
*Planet Terror (2007): The Muldoon character claims he killed Osama Bin Laden in a similar way.
Television
*Dexter: Sergeant James Doakes mentions the technique in "See-Through" (Season 2, Episode 4).
*Magnum, P.I.: Referenced as "International Mozambique Pattern" by Jonathan Higgins in "Mad Buck Gibson" (season 2, episode 9). However, as the character "Mad Buck" fires repeatedly on a human outline on a wall, he actually does so in a different pattern: one head shot, followed by two shots at the torso.
*Miami Vice: In "Calderone's Return: The Hit List (Part 1)" (season 1, episode 4), Jim Zubiena, the show's firearms instructor, played hitman Ludovici Armstrong, who uses the technique to kill a police detective trying to arrest him right after performing a hit; the gun handling was real and unrehearsed.Jim Zubiena, Internet Firearms Database An expert shooter, Zubiena was a member of the South Western Combat Pistol League, with co-founder, Jeff Cooper.
*Prison Break: Veronica is killed using the technique by Agent Blondie. Following the shots fired, her body is shown with two bullet holes next to each other where the heart is, and one on her forehead (Season 2, Episode 1).
*Southland: In "Butch and Sundance" (season 1, episode 2), police officer John Cooper explains this drill to his partner, Ben Sherman.
*Spooks: Mozambique Drill is mentioned by Adam Carter in "The Criminal" (Season 5, Episode 9).
Other media
*Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (2009; video game): The mission, Takedown, contains a reference to this technique, when Rojas' assistant uses it against a couple of Brazilian militia thugs who provoke him.
*Halo: Contact Harvest (2007; novel): The technique is briefly featured, being used by UNSC Marines on Insurrectionists.
*Kill Me If You Can (novel) by James Patterson and Marshall Karp.
There is a gun in Apex Legends named Mozambique, wich is a pistol shotgun shooting three peletts in a triangular shape  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.67.144.22 (talk) 16:01, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: In popular culture

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