Template talk:Infobox UK place/Archive 5

message: OK, I've broadly put the changes in place. However, I've messed up somewhere in the syntax. We've got "{{#if: ||" displaying in the top left of every transclusion. I'm not sure where the problem lies. Someone with more knowledge might be able to fix this. I believe it is to do with the Ambulance field conflicting with a switch I put in to facilitate the "crown_dependency=" field, but I could be wrong. Comparing the edit history might reveal the problem.... hopefully.
Sorry guys I messed that up - I hope I'm forgiven! Jza84 23:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've fixed it - I think. Jza84 23:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for this. Looks like I was the original antagonist here and mis-spelt the field. Apologies. -- Jza84 · (talk) 16:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I've messed up - slightly

message: I've noticed that many of the Wales places with the UK infobox had the latitude/longitude omitted, which messes them up. So I put latitude/longitude in. Fine. But then it interacted with the  template, so I commented out the  - see here for an example. Am I doing the right thing, or am I sawing three table legs to make them match the fourth? Regards, Anameofmyveryown 15:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the general scheme of deploying this infobox you are doing the right thing.  However, at  when I deployed this Infobox, I purposely left the maps off Wales if there wasnt one.  Their are some (who I assume only use Wikipedia to further their political agenda), who object to the use of a UK map on articles for places in Wales -checking through histories this has led to mass reverts in the past where people have added UK maps.  I felt it was better to deploy the infobox without a map than to deploy it with and have someone go around and revert every instance.  Unfortunately, there isnt a  - the end result being that large numbers of articles in Wales have no map at all. Pit-yacker 15:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I approached the Welsh WikiProject some time ago about (re-)drawing some maps, but I had a "zero" amount of response, and thus I've since just continued to work on localised maps for England (which are getting there now!). Again, I'm happy to create maps for Scotland or Wales, but in the style of [:Image:Northern_Ireland_map_-_July_2007.png|this Northern Irish map], which knowing how touchy (for want of a better word) people are about places and identity, I'd rather have feedback and consensus first. Jza84 16:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Jza84, I note that you are spending some time on these maps and taking care in the doing. You might want to start hanging around Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Maps#Map_colors, Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps, Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Cartographers and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Maps/Requested_and_orphan_maps. There will be people there who can help you if you feel the need and keen-ness should always be rewarded. Regards, Anameofmyveryown 17:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Pit-yacker, it would be a great pity if all your hard work was reverted en masse. Should this happen, I note that "map_type" has a nomap option and will insert if needs be. However, my question was more to do with the commenting out of the "coor" template: does that actually damage things? Regards, Anameofmyveryown 17:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had this problem with the coor template on Cheshire articles. Ythe coordinates they place get overwritten and mixed up with the ones the UK infobox places. I've just deleted the coor template stuff, as I looked upon it as a temporary fix to get coordinates listed, which the UK infobox did automatically. I've never had anyone revert them or complain about what I've done.  DDStretch  (talk) 17:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer Anameofmyveryown question, it doesn't damage anything if you replace the "coor" templates with infobox co-ordinates. The template doesn't perform any special purpose. Epbr123 18:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Interaction between infobox and {{tl|coor}}/{{tl|coord}}

message: I have started to add Template:GeoGroupTemplate to a number of category pages. I started this to identify articles needing photographs, for example :Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Hertfordshire click on "map of all coordinate". This is useful to see where small places I do not know are exactly (quicker than clicking through lots of pages). I then realized it would be useful to see where there are articles on places, e.g. :Category:Towns in Derbyshire. As you can see however it does not map all places. The mapping template is based on Template:Coord and only appears to works sometimes with the values in long/lat of the "Infobox UK place".
I am not totally familiar with the inner working of infoboxes and geo templates so could someone explain to me why the function does not always work and more to the point can it be fixed so the functionality can be used more effectively?Traveler100 06:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of coordinates for other tools 

message: Should this read "Dial code" or "Dialing code"? I personally always use "Dialing code". The most recent BT phone book refers to them as "UK area codes". (Obviously the template code must remain Dial code in order not to bust everything). -- SGBailey 20:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're probably best (by which I mean most accurately and verifiably) described as "telephone area code", but would it work within the infobox? Jza84 00:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, "telephone area code" is way too long. However "Dialing code" is not too long whilst "Dial code" sounds horribly American (and also horrible to my British ears_ and thus unsuitable for a UK article. "Area code" is bland and iunoffensive. -- SGBailey 13:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we spell it "Dialling code" please? –MDCollins (talk) 13:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fine by me - they are alternatives and I'm never sure which to use. -- SGBailey 17:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dial Code 

message: Does the infobox not have the facility to list the Northern Ireland Assembly constituencies ? --Barryob  Vigeur de dessus 11:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is to be used widely in NI articles, this feature should be added.  I'd be happy to code it in. Warofdreams talk 16:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the template is already used on Belfast and Derry so I has a go at adding it myself. --Barryob  Vigeur de dessus 03:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NI Assembly 

message: Is there a problem with the template when latitude and longitude are not specified in the template? For example, look at Cayton, where several fields are completed but only the 'UK Parliament', 'European Parliament' and the box footer shows. Adding something to the latitude and longitude fields causes the rest of the box to display. Keith D 14:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I left it without to show the problem to see if the template could be fixed. Since Pickle UK tried setting map_type=nomap to see if that would cure the problem but that did not work. Keith D 15:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you must have the co-ordinates to generate the full infobox. Why? I don't know, possibly the creator (who has since left Wikipedia) was trying to ensure that us lazy editors would be forced to obtain the co-ordinates and not leave them out. If you get the OS or Irish grid ref, you can input this, click on it, and the co-ordinates are generated for you. OS grid refs are searchable from getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk. Jza84 21:46, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - I came across the box while adding project templates and thought that may be there could be a fix for the template so that the filled in fields appear. Keith D 22:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Alternatively use http://www.multimap.com/ which shows the decimals, plus a grid ref and post code, without an extra click. MortimerCat (talk) 23:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem without co-ordinates

message: Is anyone else having the same problem now? When I call up a place (such as Macclesfield) the red dot that marks the place has been replaced by the name of the place, and this devalues the whole idea of the map as we had it, because the accuracy is considerably reduced. Is anyone else having similar problems? It happens on many articles of places within Cheshire I've accessed just now.  DDStretch  (talk) 01:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought it had something to do with me (I just updated :Template:Location_map_Scotland) but I've reverted the update and the problem still exists. I've had a quick look at places in Germany (e.g Cologne) and Russia (eg Cherepovets) and they're exhibiting the same problem, so it's not just , it's also  and  as well. I'm going to try a small change to the code of  (aaargh!). It's just a small change (I'm going to specify the dot name for Wales, rather than leaving it to default as it does at the moment). I've tried it in my sandbox and I think it works. If it doesn't, I'll self-revert ASAP. Wish me luck. Anameofmyveryown 02:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, the small change works. I'll implement it for England/Scotland/Northern Ireland/IOM immediately. It is a temporary fix: presumably something's gone wrong with :Template:Location_map, so as soon as somebody works out what's gone wrong and fixes it, my changes can be reverted. Until then, however, presumably they'll have to stay in. Regards, Anameofmyveryown 03:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem has nothing to do with the infobox it lies with the image :Image:Red pog.svg the cache at the commons needed to be purged  --Barryob  Vigeur de dessus 03:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, just checked Belfast, Stornoway, Brodick, Aberystwyth, Wimbledon, London, Reading, Berkshire, Dundee and Truro. All OK. Is this going to happen again and, if so, do we have to press your link every time? Anameofmyveryown 03:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep I am afraid so, there seems to be a problem at the commons at the moment many of the flag icons are showing up as text in articles, every time this happens the cache needs to be purged but I do not know how long it will be before the problem happens again. --Barryob  Vigeur de dessus 03:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So it's not me, it's the world that's broken. Heck, I was worried for a minute... <grin>. Anameofmyveryown 03:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The map :Image:Uk outline map.png doesn't seem to be showing up at all at the moment in any of the infoboxes that use it... :-( DWaterson 15:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A new problem with the local map

message: Should UK places that use  be converted to this one? I have just come across King's Lynn, and the spelling of 'constituency' got me thinking. 
–MDCollins (talk) 00:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly should be converted! For example - it's missing its county, dailling code, co-ordinates, OS grid ref, post town and it doesn't have its own mayor. Looks like it was added a couple of days ago. Jza84 00:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox Settlement 

message: How do we get the correct map to display for places in the Borough of Stockton-on-Tees which is split between two ceremonial counties. I know we have no Durham map, as yet, but the locations in North Yorkshire should display the North Yorkshire map but still display the default UK map. As an example see Yarm which should display the North Yorkshire map as it is located south of the Tees. Keith D 22:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a strong programmer, and thus can't see how exactly we'd manage to program that (maybe some kind of manual over-ride switch?). If something isn't worked out, I could produce a map at a Borough level, thus a Stockton-on-Tees map is displayed and county disputes and syntax worries are avoided??? -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hold on, surely for Stockton, if the right ceremonial county is inputed in the infobox, then that would display the right county? It would just need programming slightly differently to other areas.... wouldn't it? -- Jza84 · (talk) 15:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is what I was hoping but need someone who knows the code to have a look at what needs to be done, either in the article or in the code. Already have the Ceremonial county as North Yorkshire but looks like it is relying on the region entry to do the switch. Keith D 18:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From looking at Template:Infobox UK place/map (which is where the mapping system is coded), User:Warofdreams and User:Pit-yacker have been most closely involved with setting this system up. I will invite them to take a look at this and see what can be worked out. -- Jza84 · (talk) 20:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that. Keith D 20:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Anything been decided on this point? Is there not a switch to force a specific map? 86.149.204.69 (talk) 16:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing yet, but I'm now back from holiday any may be able to work something up.  A switch to force a specific map would be very much my least preferred option, as it would need updating in each article whenever a relevant new map is created - something the automation process is intended to avoid. Warofdreams talk 22:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map selection 

message: This field is making the infobox very wide on articles it is used on, see Belfast for example. Could it be wrapped so "Northern Ireland" and "Assembly" are on seperate lines? Or could it be abbreviated to "NI Assembly"? Stu ’Bout ye! 19:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've abbreviated it to "NI Assembly".  As the infobox already gives the "constituent country", this looks unlikely to cause any confusion. Warofdreams talk 23:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, that looks much better. Thanks. Stu ’Bout ye! 14:55, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: constituency_ni_assembly

message: Team,
Just thought I'd make you all aware that a (very basic) Template:Infobox England district has been put together in an effort to standardise infoboxes used on shire districts through to metropolitan boroughs. It wouldn't strictly be used on districts that are coterminate with settlements (like the major cities; Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham), but is intended for places like Metropolitan Borough of Rochdale, Kirklees, North Lincolnshire, Cherwell (district) etc etc.
It is very basic (I can't stress that enough!), and would benefit from a bit of a tune-up and automation from some of the fantastic editors we've had here in the past. -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:21, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've withdrawn efforts to produce this, as, following discussion with peers, found that Template:Infobox settlement adequately deals with districts and boroughs. In this capacity, I'll nominate it for deletion. -- Jza84 · (talk) 12:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Local govenment districts of England 

message: I just wondered if anybody else had spotted gaps in the emergency services lists in the infobox. I've found two within the last 24 hours and can't spot the problem:
#Berkshire (see Wokingham) - missing police and fire.
#Hampshire (see Fleet, Hampshire) - missing ambulance.
Is there a problem with the syntax? -- Jza84 · (talk) 17:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think these are cross over areas so you have to do them manually.  Check back in the archives as there was some discussion on this IIRC. Regan123 18:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have fixed the Wokingham missing service entries in the template subpages. Keith D 20:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emergency services problems 

message: Secondly, the existing infobox has  various deficiencies from a Scotland perspective that have been mentioned before. What is the point of an 'Ambulance' field when the whole country is served by one service? Likewise European Parliament. To me, the font for the 'other languages' (little used in England?) looks too large. There may well be other small issues  - I suspect few Scots care about Vehicle Codes for example. The 'Sovreign State' issue is bound to irritate the substantial minority who oppose the notion and don't care to be reminded of it every time they edit a village or small town. There's the historic county issue too. Ben MacDuiTalk/Walk 20:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone have any input on this? I agree that having a blank default field is an eyesore. - Dudesleeper /  Talk 22:04, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you looked through the discussion under "Map"? Warofdreams talk 22:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fields

message: Is there a template that will enable me to show the location of a place in, say, Gloucestershire, with a map of the country (as per this template) but without any administrative details (post code, district, etc etc)?  In other words, just the county map with the location highlighted.  --NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 21:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean something like that at the top of List of places in Greater Manchester? It is recommended though that all settlements use the UK place template - if this is for a settlement. -- Jza84 · (talk) 22:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to show the location of something which isn't a settlement - perhaps the location of an event or monument - you can use  (or replace Gloucestershire with the name of the appropriate county.  But, as Jza84 says, this shouldn't be used for settlements. Warofdreams talk 09:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks indeed for the speedy responses.  —or more precisely —was just what I needed, for giving the location of an airfield. These are excellent resources. --NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 12:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple map? 

message: If it possible to have the area be stated X km2 (Y sq mi), so that it is consistent with the rest of the article? UK articles have the option of imperial first or metric first, so if it can't be done at the moment, could it be added? Rossenglish (talk) 16:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area option 

message: Hi London infobox maps have stopped working. The Greater London outline appears to be still existent - but not shown, and there appear to be no recent changes to  that would cause it - any ideas? (examples are :Westminster and :Hackney Wick) Cheers. Kbthompson (talk) 14:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: fixed - Interwiki problem! Kbthompson (talk) 14:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  London maps 

message: The template places Swansea and Neath-Port Talbot UAs in South Wales Fire and Rescue Service when they are in Mid and West Wales Fire and Rescue Service. Would it be possible for some-one to correct this please AlexD (talk) 05:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, should be fixed but let me know if otherwise...Regan123 (talk) 00:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wales Fire Services 

message: Can anyone explain why the addition of Infobox UK place to a page creates a mass of white space that is so large none of the article text appears on screen without scrolling down? See Staithes for an example. If this is inevitable, this infobox should be scrapped. Emeraude (talk) 13:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't the info box, it was the three right justified images before any of the text.  So the text couldn't start until the first image had been placed. Try it now. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was quick! I've noticed this white space problem on many pages and it can usually be solved by putting all the pictures above the text, but not, it seems, with this infobox. Thanks. Emeraude (talk) 13:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totally useless? 

message: Hello, 
Just a note that there is a discussion at Template_talk:UK_Parish regarding a possible merger of that template with this and (if there is a consensus) how to go about it. -- Jza84 · (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That 'discussion' was merely a pointer to one that was held here in June, and which can be found in Archive 4 above. To summarise, it was pointed out that there are issues with equating 'parish' with 'place' - a civil parish is a local authority area, like a smaller version of a county or a district/borough. In particular, many parishes cover multiple settlements. Mauls (talk) 01:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK parish 

message: I've noticed that the infoboxes on Welsh places use a map of the British Isles. is there any plan to create a map of Wales? or perhaps maps of the individual principal areas or preserved counties? G-Man ? 01:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that User:Jza84 is planning a map of Wales, once he has completed the final two English counties. Warofdreams talk 03:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What to do about Wales?

message: I've made some major changes to the workings of the template.  The appearance should only change very slightly, and no changes should be needed to any articles.  In summary:
:Advantages:
:#The template now has only one sub-template, , which combines the features of all the previous sub-templates.  The new sub-template allows for a more straightforward hierarchical approach to find information, and this should make it easier to change, as required in future.
:#The template is now lighter on Wikipedia's resources (and will now contribute little to reaching template limits, which has been a problem in the past), in part due to the new sub-template, and in part due to a general move to change #ifeqs and #ifs to #switches.
:#I've added a few more notes to differentiate the sections of the main template; further notes may be useful.
:#The template now automatically finds the correct map for places in Stockton-on-Tees, and the correct ambulance service for places in the Glossop area (previously, only Glossop itself was correct here).
:Expected changes in appearance:
:#The row immediately below the official name, which was blank for places with no alternative names, will no longer appear in such cases.
:#Horizontal lines dividing the template will appear in more logical places - they will no longer appear between two images, or between Scottish constituencies and other constituencies.
:#In order to fix an issue with horizontal lines, constituencies now appear in order from largest to smaller.
:#Links to lists of places names in Northern Ireland will omit "County" for brevity, with the exception of County Londonderry, where it is useful for clarity.
:#For the moment, Edinburgh will show a local map, rather than a Scottish or UK map. (see below)
:#The new set-up is slightly fussier about the correct information being added; templates in some articles which are missing major details (such as regions or countries) will be missing some further outputs, but all should continue to appear correctly.
Please reply here or let me know if there are any unexpected changes, or if any of these expected changes are problematic. Warofdreams talk 00:04, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There seems to be a problem with the display of Region on the changed template. For examle on Filey the region is now not been displayed. Keith D (talk) 10:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that; it's very useful to get feedback like this.  It was only affecting the Yorkshire and Humber region and was caused by a minor spelling error in the sub-template.  I've now fixed it. Warofdreams talk 12:19, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the fix - looks OK now. Keith D (talk) 12:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Well spotted - I'd noticed this problem on a couple of articles earlier today but hadn't had a chance to investigate the link.  Thanks to your information, I've been able to quickly fix the issue. Warofdreams talk 18:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi again, spotted another minor problem on Birkenshaw, West Yorkshire where the 'UK Parliament' label is not showing next to the constituency name. Keith D (talk) 22:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This one was a problem with the article - instead of having a standard constituency entered, it only had an entry for a second constituency, which is deliberately set up not to generate a second "UK Parliament" label.  I've fixed the field name in the article. Warofdreams talk 10:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks again, I had not spotted the problem in the article, though I thought it strange that other articles did not show the same problem. Keith D (talk) 11:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This change is really great stuff! I'm very impressed!... just wondered if the enlargement of the maps (from 240px wide to 300px) was intentional? It seems to knock the static images out of line with the maps. -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not deliberate, although I had noticed.  As it's caused an issue, I've standardised to 240px. Warofdreams talk 00:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, this is a case of the article missing some vital information.  I've been checking Google periodically to catch any instances as it finds them - currently, I've only had to fix five or six. Warofdreams talk 10:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a quick couple of links that can help, search.live.com & www.google.co.uk.  fixed a few today -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:14, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

text: That was an accident - thanks for picking it up.  I've now fixed it. Warofdreams talk 01:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Edinburgh is displaying a local council area map again. As a capital city, I think this should be pointing within a Scotland or UK wide map. Can this be fixed? -- Jza84 · (talk) 00:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added | map_type= UK to force Edinburgh to display a UK-wide map; this can be applied manually to any article which should have a more general map. Warofdreams talk 03:38, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree and I also think someone should change all the Scottish city maps to more local ones but with the small UK map as well. Darryl.matheson (talk) 01:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major changes to workings of template 

message: I've just added a few new parameters to allow automatic conversions to & from population per km² and per sq mi and to & from km & mi.  I'm half way through adjusting the doc page.  Is there anything I'm overlooking or doing the wrong way round?  Jɪmp 02:12, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Following your 19 edits to population_density, the os_grid_reference field is no longer being displayed.Dallan72 (talk) 06:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've partially reverted, this should fix it until I've found a solution. Jɪmp 06:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted everything. Jɪmp 08:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automatic conversion for population density & distances 

message: There's an ambiguity here: A dialling codes can mean a regional area code or STD, such as 0161 or 020 but it can also mean local "exchange" code, such as (0161) 275 or (020) 8811 with the second part being the local code specific to that small area.
In articles covering small UK places, especially ones that have a dedicated "exchange" code like this that applies to the same area as the article covers, should we be putting these codes in the infobox instead of or as well as the far more general regional STD?
I am in favour of this, as for certain articles it would provide a more accurate description of the code as well as an additional piece of information that is not otherwise included. Of course a consistent way of differentiating the two parts of the code (like bracketing) would have to be agreed so as to avoid confusion, but as an exact definition of "dialling code" doesn't appear in this template anyway, it would be useful to iron this matter out.
Comments?
-- Fursday 20:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen this being discussed - by which I mean edit-warred over - in the Withington article. My own view is that local exchange codes is too much detail, and clutter the infobox. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 20:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

text: With the expansion of VoIP, number portability and cable operators the prefixes are no longer restricted to the small areas they were once intended for. MRSC • Talk 10:35, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with MRSC. With number portability, I can port a previously geographically linked number to VOIP, but be anywhere in the country (or world for that matter). Also, any geographically linked codes tend to be BT-only. paypwip (talk) 09:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What do we mean by dialling code? Debate. 

message: Can anyone see what is preventing City and East (London Assembly constituency) appearing on articles such as Aldersgate and Bassishaw? MRSC • Talk 10:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Forgive me if I'm being stupid, but it hasn't been added to the infoboxes has it? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:35, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I see what you mean now, looks like a bug in the template. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:54, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was originally appearing in the infobox; I transferred it to data - rather than exception coding - but everything has changed since then, so I'd look at recent changes. HTH Kbthompson (talk) 00:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: City of London and the Assembly 

message: I've added two hidden templates into the main template which will help find articles where the Dialing Code, PostTown or PostCode is not included.
Go to either Template:Infobox UK place/NoDialCode or Template:Infobox UK place/NoPostCode and select the What links here link to provide a list of the articles with missing information.
I could add one for the OS Grid reference as well if anyone is interested in that one.
-- WOSlinker (talk) 10:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! MRSC • Talk 10:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Dialing Code missing - 2831 & PostCode/PostTown missing - 2726  -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Dialing Code or PostTown or PostCode 

message: The recent changes we've had to the template seem to have removed the word "the" from the mapping system. E.g. Tarbert, Outer Hebrides is now "shown within the Outer Hebrides" and Walsall is "shown within the West Midlands". Any chance of a fix? --Jza84 |  Talk   01:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've fixed it in Template:Infobox_UK_place/local.  Should appear in a short while. -- WOSlinker (talk) 09:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The??? 

message: Hello team,
I've been contacted about User:Yorkshirian who has been replacing Template:Infobox UK place with Template:Infobox settlement for settlements in Yorkshire. Preliminary disscussion indicates that this is not the way forwards, but the replacement has continued.
Can we have some input on this from others? Central discussion is at Talk:Beverley under "Infobox change". --Jza84 |  Talk   18:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox change 

message: :::Another map problem - it's been raised on WikiProject West Midlands that the western half of the West Midlands map also seems to be out of calibration - see  for specific examples. DWaterson (talk) 22:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like this one has been addressed. Warofdreams talk 17:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite - it's still showing settlements slightly too far north. Fingerpuppet (talk) 15:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: West Midlands map calibration

message: If you look on the Market Weighton article for example, there is a bit too much of a gap between the main image and the second image (in this case, the church and the coat of arms). Can somebody fix the template so there isn't such a big gap? Thanks. - Yorkshirian (talk) 18:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How does it look now?  I've reduced the gap substantially. Warofdreams talk 17:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gap between image sections

message: Edinburgh's map has gone local again. How is the national map restored? --Jza84 |  Talk   11:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just change it back to map_type=UK.  It was broken by User:Globaltraveller who changed it to read "map_type=Scotland", which doesn't do anything. Warofdreams talk 13:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edinburgh 

message: Why is it that no towns in the UK seem to have an area filled in? Apparently there is an option in the template for this, so why is it not used? I just feel that it would keep it slightly more in line with the articles from other places, which always seem to have the areas of the towns filled in. I think this information would be far more useful than knowing what police service the town uses, or what post town it's part of, which looks ugly in capital letters, by the way.
I come to wikipedia to get that kind of information and I don't know where else I'd find it. It's easy enough for me to find it for a French city, for example, so why not a British city?
Thanks
90.206.46.21 (talk) 12:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My guess is that the information is not readily available for people to fill it in. Keith D (talk) 15:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Regarding 'AllCaps' for Postal Town, I would guess that is because it is the preferred formatting for the Postal Town within a UK address. Paypwip (talk) 17:22, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area of towns 

message: A couple of useful items that are on the Infobox Settlement template. It would be handy if they were included on this one.
* Settlement type For example, Laughton, East Sussex has population and area statistics, but is this for the village of Laughton or the Parish of Laughton? 
* Twin towns A lot of town articles list the twins under a twinning section with no further details eg. Polegate. This would be better included in the infobox.
MortimerCat (talk) 15:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I write mostly about villages in Cheshire. As far as I can see, the census data is dealt out in most of their cases at the civil parish level. That's what I include and make that clear when I report it in the text. For towns, for Cheshire, the only problematic cases occur for unparished areas, which are mostly towns or Chester (the central city part). As for twinning, I think it is best done in the article, as the infobox stands at the moment.  DDStretch  (talk) 23:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, expanding within the article is the way to do it with the current template. However, the infobox is there to provide a summary, without the need to read further. MortimerCat (talk) 00:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, partly, with the principal of this suggestion, but I'm concerned about it also. There was a huge debate (here) about the use of flags in the infobox. Not only are there inconsistencies with how "twinning" is arranged throughout the UK (rendering the infomation a little too simplistically), but I think the inclusion of non-domestic flags would face some fierce opposition. I'm with DDStretch on this that I think prose can handle this better than the infobox. --Jza84 |  Talk   00:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

text: (E/C) I agree, but one has to choose what to omit and what to summarize, because a summary that contained every point would hardly be one. I guess  people will just disagree over what is good to include and what can be omitted. Is there any information available about how many articles using this infobox would also be able to make use of any twinning field, or what the important ones would be? That would help, I think.  DDStretch  (talk) 00:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for improvement 

message: I am currently struggling with converting coordinates to the infobox format. I have 51°42′44″N longitude=004°57′23″W and can't find a way to decimalize it without ending up in the water. Agathoclea (talk) 22:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you cite the example you're working on? I think I can crack this, but depends on the circumstances. :) --Jza84 |  Talk   22:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Neyland Agathoclea (talk) 22:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can enter the coordinates into streetmap (www.streetmap.co.uk) , you can then use an option which converts them to the decimal form. I imagine multimap (www.multimap.co.uk) would be the same. Entering it might need a bit of work, though.  DDStretch  (talk) 22:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed this. DDStretch's approach is a good one, I've left an alternative one at Talk:Neyland too. :) --Jza84 |  Talk   22:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - I had also used this in part of the conversion. Agathoclea (talk) 22:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinates 

message: Can anyone put their finger on what has happened to the maps displayed by this template. They appear to be smaller than before and placed left rather than central to the infobox, leaving a gap to the right. I have looked a a few places in different counties so it is not just a single county map that is the problem. Keith D (talk) 18:52, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything appears normal in my browser. Can you point us in the right direction in terms of example articles? Might be someone fooling around with the main location map template. --Jza84 |  Talk   18:58, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Peacehaven appears fine for me in both Firefox 3 and IE7. Does it appear messed up for you? ++ MortimerCat (talk) 19:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it appears funny for me using Firefox 2. Keith D (talk) 20:37, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I had noticed something appeared to have happened a while back, especially the positioning matter. However, it happened as I changed the computer I used to access the Internet with, and having now a widescreen kind of set up, I had assumed it was my change in monitor that made things look as if they were formatted differently. My additional use of "greasemonkey" and "stylish" as Firefox addons with a few tweaks relevant to wikipedia meant I decided any apparent changes were probably down to my own meddling locally on my computer.  DDStretch  (talk) 19:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Some padding seems to have been put in around the map and caption field on April 19, but I'm not sure why, or even if I'm interpreting it correctly on just the quick glance I've given it.  DDStretch  (talk) 19:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the problem is to do with font size as it appears OK with smaller fonts. Keith D (talk) 20:40, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I've tried disabling "stylish" and "greasemonkey" in Firefox v3 and got no change to the left-justified image on the Peacehaven article. If I reduce the fonts, the image remains left-justified for me.  DDStretch  (talk) 20:50, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem appears when you increase the font size. Keith D (talk) 21:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Maps

message: The map of Edinburgh has gone local again - I can't work out or remember how to fix this to a national map. Anybody help? Whatever the change a hidden message in the relevant field on that article might help stop this recurring. --Jza84 |  Talk   02:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the exact same thing as before; someone had changed the infobox from map_type=UK (which forces the display of a map of the UK) to map_type=Scotland (which doesn't do anything).  I've fixed it. Warofdreams talk 02:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is a bit more complicated than that. For some time a Scotland map was shown (see this edit on 26 June 2008 at 10:08.) The next edit changed a different field from the map_type field, and the map changed to the local map (see this edit on 26 June, 2008 at 11:21), with diffs here. In both cases, the map_type field was set equal to Scotland (see map_type field, just after OS field here in the article which showed the map of Scotland just before it changed to the local area map.) So, it seems to me as if there is an interaction between the shown map and the unitary_scotland field. The question is, which map should be shown: the one of the entire UK, or juswt the Scotland one, and, if it is the latter, how can that be done? I have no opinion on this last matter.  DDStretch  (talk) 13:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: map_type=Scotland doesn't do anything; unless map_type is set to UK, the map type is selected by checking the unitary_scotland field, so when the user changed that to something unexpected, random results were generated, with the Scotland map being defaulted to but other information missing.  If there is a really strong desire to show the Scotland map, I can add some slightly messy code to implement this quickly, but I'm reluctant to bulk out the template with extra conditions which should only be used in a very small number of articles and will probably be misused rather more. Warofdreams talk 17:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edinburgh map 

message: An administrator should add an entry for demonym, like in :Template:Infobox Settlement. Admiral Norton (talk) 14:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demonym 

message: For most templates you can add an image immediately beneath them by adding the link directlty after the template code, i.e.
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However, this doesn't work for this template, and leads to articles looking like this when editors try it. Can someone fix this? Cheers, пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you give an example of what you are expecting, as it looks OK to me? Keith D (talk) 11:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been told that it works fine in Firefox, but in Internet Explorer it shunts the start of the text down to level with the bottom of the infobox (as in the picture to the right), whilst I would expect it to work like this article, where the picture is located beneath the infobox, but the text is not affected. пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:05, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can no-one help with this then? пﮟოьεԻ 57 15:20, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't help with the format problem directly, but have come up with a possible alternative "solution" which places the image into the infobox. Look at the article now and see if that would be acceptable.  DDStretch  (talk) 18:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Errr, you managed to revert the article to a year-old version which was half the size! Sadly it doesn't really solve the problem though as you don't always want the image in the infobox - it may be a second image that you want to put below it. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I merely followed the link you provided and made my edits to that. It might have been more useful to not link to an out of date version, or else clearly flagged it up as being out of date when you gave the link. Anyway, Jza84 has given some good advice about this practice of images just below the infobox.  DDStretch  (talk) 22:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It clearly says when you open the link that it's an old revision, and then when you edit it, you get a warning bar saying "You are editing an old revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since then will be removed." Plus, I wouldn't leave an article looking like that just to make a point that the infobox isn't working. пﮟოьεԻ 57 07:17, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I have been doing some experimenting to see if I can pin down the problem. It appears to be related to the way the template outputs the co-ordinates in the title area of the article. If you remove the co-ordinates from the template call then it displays correctly in IE, obviously without the map. May be this will give a clue to those who know about the template as to what to look at. Keith D (talk) 18:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers for that. I had a go myself and solved it by just moving the co-ordinate coding to a different bit of the template code. Works fine now. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Images beneath template

message: Could there be an Ulster-Scots name option please, for use as in , as the official names are not always spelt the same as in Scots.86.172.32.146 (talk) 07:19, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have an example of somewhere where there would be confusion?  Would it not be expected that names for places in Northern Ireland are in Ulster-Scots, and for places in Scotland in "standard" Scots?  I certainly can add an Ulster-Scots option, if needed. 09:31, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look on the main Template:Infobox UK place page, you can use the "|language=" fields for forcing through additional languages, like Ullans. --Jza84 |  Talk   10:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

text: It is more that in Northern Ireland, lots of places are getting names in Ulster-Scots devised by the Ulster-Scots Agency, some of which may be traditional standard Scots while others look more like modern transcriptions of local pronunciations: :sco:Northren Ireland v. :sco:Norlin Airlann is an obvious example. Belfast is standard Scots, "kent as Bilfawst in Ulster Scots an aw".  And it looks slightly odd to put just "Scots" in a place not in Scotland. It probably should come after Irish as being even less commonly used in writing.--Rumping (talk) 17:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ulster-Scots name

message: Help. I have just added an infobox to Ovingham, Northumberland and the red dot is off to the bottom right hand corner. I have checked the coordinates with my paper map. (|latitude = 54.842224 |longitude =-1.221335 |os_grid_reference =  NZ 08266362). Can anyone see what I have done wrong? Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've fixed them. I think you made some errors in the lat/long and OS Grid refs. How did you obtain these? The way I do it is to use streetmap to locate the place, choosing a recognisable place within it is possible (church, railway station, nearest the centre of settlement, etc) and then I click on the option to change the coordinates. This brings up a table with a lot of information that can be copy and pasted into the infobox as required, such a latitude, longitude, OS Grid reference, postcode, and so on. When I did this for Ovingham and Falstone, the figures I was presented with differed by significant amounts from the ones that were present in the infobox fields at that time. If you use these a lot, you get a feel for what is a significantly different position or not, so the differences I saw may not seem so much if one is not as familar with them.  DDStretch  (talk) 10:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks for that, although I still don't understand why those two didn't work. The others (about twelve) have all been fine. I also use streetmap which gives a ten figure ref - I must have edited it wrong. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. I've made errors before by copying them by hand to the infobox, so it can happen to anyone. Now I copy and paste using mouse clicks, which means one source of error is removed. If I reduce the accuracy a bit, then I could still make errors in manually rounding them, however. But it doesn't seem to have happened as much.  DDStretch  (talk) 10:01, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red dot in wrong place