Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Star Wars/Archive 5

message: I'm currently organizing hopefully the biggest collabaration in this Wikiproject's history. I was sifting though articles today and noticed how horrid List of Star Wars races is. First of all some races in there should be split off such as Genosean or Barbel.... 2ncd of all there are many articles that should be merged in there. Protocol for choosing what should be merged go as followed, if it has a picture and about a page of article leave it there (This is only a starting idea but as time goes by we'll get the manual of style going). I need to know who wants in this collabaration b/c it's going to be big and if at least half of the poject helps out, in about month we could get it organized and a year finished :) --Sadow (talk | contr.) 19:36, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also if we don't have sources we'll have to throw the whole damn thing down the drain... LOL --Sadow (talk | contr.) 19:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, I'm glad to see some ambition here. Just make sure to read the fancruft guideline beforehand. — Deckiller 00:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  <big>MEGA IMPORTANT </big> 

message: Hi guys. I'm involved in a dispute here Star Wars Incredible Cross Sections with an editor who for some reason (he has not as yet justified his reasoning) insists on a "criticism" section being attached to the page, largely involving issues that are the subject of debate in the Star Trek vs Star Wars versus debate field. I don't feel these criticisms were appropriate because they are not NPOV (containing unrebutted claims that if rebutted would essentially turn the page into a debate forum), contained original research (including links to non-canon websites and even arguments on web forums), and that the "controversy" was adequately covered on the Star Trek vs Star Wars page (which in my edit I linked to). I also don't think its appropriate since the "criticisms" are actually longer than the article itself and the "versus" debate is an obscure subset topic that really isn't relevant or important. Since Star Wars Incredible Cross Sections is part of this WikiProject, can I get some other opinions? Apologies if this is the wrong place for this.Beryoza 14:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star Wars Incredible Cross Sections

message: Can someone talk to ? I really can't, and he's made a bunch of dupe "battle" articles for things like three episodes of Clone Wars (flashbacks to before the Clone Wars merge), and uploaded a ton of copyvio images and posted a bunch of stuff that seems to be Wookieepedia copyvio (including some just-plain-bad-idea templates and template edits). - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's blocked now. --Team6and7 01:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heads up 

message: I'd like to have a roll call now, so we can actually know who is still planning on contributing to the WikiProject and who is not. I recently returned from a Wikibreak, and i'm disturbed to find a large amount of inactivity. I'm semi-officially hijacking this WikiProject, and hoping to breathe some life into it, because nobody else seems to be taking initiative. Firestorm 01:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMPORTANT: August/September/October Roll Call 

message: I'd like to announce that i'm going to be taking some initiative with the WikiProject. I've recently taken up the role of custodian to the Star Wars Portal, which was sorely needing it (it had not been updated with new content since April). I plan on introducing some new things, such as the recently added Selected Race to replace the defunct Selected Picture and Selected List on the Portal, and bringing back some things that were forgotten, like the Collaboration of the Week, which has not been updated since early May. Big changes to come, stay tuned to this talk page in the coming weeks for details. Firestorm 00:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Order 

message: I made a template to remind people about roll call it is here User:Team6and7/sw use it like this 
Never mind just use  and sign afterwords. I'll start reminding people now.
" Hello! "
Thank you for contributions. You have signed as a member of the Star Wars WikiProject their is a Roll call going on currently at the Star Wars WikiProject talk page. Please sign if you still want to help out.
Again, Thank you for your help!--Team6and7 20:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  template for reminding users about roll call 

message: I've finished the merging on the Republic series.
*Knights of the Old Republic
*Republic
*Empire
*Rebellion
*X-Wing Rogue Squadron
—Skope (talk) 16:49, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MassMerge: [[Star Wars: Republic|Republic]] 

message: I've updated this addon and I plan to update it weekly, but this can only be fufilled with nominations and suggestions (Plus whoever can squeeze some time to help...) --Sadow (talk | contr.) 22:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Star Wars portal... 

message: I added a "selected article" paramater.  So if the article is a GA and a selected article, instead of writing out  , you can just write .  Just one minor issue - there's some extra space when the selected paramater is not used. Hbdragon88 04:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just added paramaters for a selected list and picture, as well as intergrating the portal link into the template itself. I hope you all like it.  Hbdragon88 03:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to the StarWarsProject header 

message: After fixing several things that [I thought] were wrong with various Star Wars wikis, both on Wikipedia and Wookieepedia, I ended up following a series of links that led me here, to this page. On this page, I noticed someone mentioning the "List of Star Wars races," and how flawed it is. Instantly, I agreed. I had been attempting to look up several different Star Wars species recently, only to find that Wikipedia's list is underly informative, and many species don't even have a page of their own, save for a few of the major species, such as wookiees. How am I to learn more about Rodians and the planet Rodia when hardly any information is given on the subject? Of course, I could probably find the information I seek with ease on Wookieepedia, but it is no excuse for Wikipedia's inadequate articles. I may or may not be considered an official part of whatever you're doing, but I've done much correctional work in Star Wars articles on both wiki sites lately, and I will continue to do so. I support your cause.
MINOR EDIT: Perhaps this little rant of mine belonged on some discussion page or something. Oh well.ShadowNinja 03:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See, Wikipedia is strongly against to someone a lot of members call "Fancruft", which is redundant, overly trivial fictional information. Plus, everything must be from an out of universe perspective, so if there is going to be an article on Rodians, it should be able to stand on its own not by its appearences section, but its development and importance. That is a major reason why most fictional topics get hacksawed; they can't adequately explain the stuff that matters to an encyclopedia. — Deckiller 03:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Additionally, minor races (such as ones appearing in a chapter of a novel, or a part of a video game) don't belong on articles or lists;  if they are mentioned, it should be within the plot summary. However, significant races, such as the aforementioned Rodians, may merit their own a article if enough out of universe information can be presented. I recommend all of these "neo Star Wars WikiProject" members read WP:WAF. — Deckiller 03:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quick Note: Found this template for anyone who's interested in expanding the species section of Star Wars... Template:Infobox StarWarsSpecies --Sadow (talk | contr.) 14:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Janitorial and Common Sense duties 

message: Just an FYI, I've created a userbox for people who are given a Star Wars barnstar. You can find it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Wars/Award userbox. EVula 06:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barnstar userbox 

message: Problems: a. I ignore if we have a portal b. Placing: it generated problems with the opentasks template--201 22:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: For your interest, Wookieepedia:User:Glogan81 has uploaded some images from his website on Wookieepedia under the GFDL licence. I am uploading some of these to commons, assuming that GFDL also applies here. See commons:Star Wars Canderous Ordo 20:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images by Glogan81 (Greg Logan)

message: I am the Star Wars fan who likes the movies, but not the books, etc.  I was wondering if in the many Star Wars lists we could simple put an asterisk * or another symbol to denote that something is from the G canon (Star Wars canon#The Holocron).  I'd really like it if we could do something like this.  Thanks!  Reywas92Talk 22:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  noting canonicity in lists 

message: Just so you guys know, I'm working on adding your  to all the articles found in :Category:Star Wars using AWB because they are all in your jurisdiction. Cbrown1023 15:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! I've tagged a total of 1175 articles with , so now you are almost 2000 articles richer. Cbrown1023 01:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FYI 

message: Not sure what's been going on, but the problem is still there. :Category:Star Wars comics. 178 total in it, and many are just single issues. Wikipedia isn't a comic guide. Mass merging is still needed. Articles for each issue is something that isn't needed. Redirects are needed, as well as putting important information from the issue articles onto the main article for the series itself. From the looks of it: Star Wars Republic, Star Wars Tales, Star Wars Empire and X-Wing should be articles by themself, so all articles with issues for them should be merged. I'm sure there is more, but those are the ones that stick out. RobJ1981 23:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree with RobJ1981 they definately don't warrant their own articles (WP:NOTABILITY), but if they were all together on one page, they would be Notable enough and look pretty nice. Cbrown1023 23:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Star Wars comics problem still

message: I'm getting sick of seeing the same articles on the copyedits list. I have done lots of work on the Yuuzhan Vong invasion page, and it seems to me that it could be taken off. Some others have little info, needing more at some point. Any chance I could get a list of criteria specifically for articles needing copyedits/extensive work?Teh tennisman 22:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedits/Major Work 

message: There's a new article about some wiki called Star Wars Fanon. Doesn't look like it's very notable to me, so I was about to nominate it for deletion, but I figured I'd get some input here first. Anybody think this is a keeper? Kafziel Talk 13:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I checked it out and it's a wiki based on SW fanfiction.  The featured article is on Jack Phoenix, an cross of a Star Wars character and Jack Bauer of 24.  Nothing in the wikia is cited since the author of the article makes it up, seems like a pointless site, except, it is a real site.  I don't know what to think of it.  It's a credible as in real site, but the information isn't credible.  As for an article, I don't know what to think, I thought it was a gag when I looked at it.  Darthgriz98 14:41, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty much my take on it as well. The site itself is verifiable, but I don't see that it passes WP:WEB. I'm going to put it on AfD and we'll see what happens. Kafziel Talk 14:48, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, I had an edit conflict with you when attempting to create the AfD. The sole contributing editor seems to be a decent one; this is more a misguided attempt at improving the encyclopedia than vanity spamming. EVula 14:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I think it's more a lack of familiarity with notability requirements. I'm sure the author's intentions were good. I certainly wouldn't call it spam. Kafziel Talk 15:04, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any thoughts on this?