Talk:Lutte Ouvrière

message: I have removed this section, pending the appearance of references. It seems to be written by a supporter of the SI current in France. The originators of the group considered that if trotskyism did not have mass support, as Trotsky had beens ure it would soon have, this was because of the petty bourgeois attitudes and behaviour of the trotskyist groups, and it was therefore a priority to establish a (rather rigid view of) "proletarian" morals and discipline in its organization. Thus the group has always been characterized by a negative attitude towards theory (only two or three books published in fifty years), and a rather moralistic view of the personal life of its activists. Comrades are encouraged, for example, not to have children. The politics of Lutte Ouvrière have generally been dominated by a concentration on workplace and economic issues. They ahve been more than reluctant to be interested or involved in political campaigns outside the workplace. So, for example, they denoucne the European Social Forums. Until very recently, they were also notably homophobic - internal memos even recommended not to recruit homosexuals, seen as "psychologically unstable". --Duncan 15:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: John, I will look forward to seeing what you find time to add. Do be careful not to over-claim. For example, publishing books does not prove or disprove anything about a negative approach toward theory. Can can respect theory even if one does not revise it. One could publish a lot of books but have them have no impact on the organisation (as was the case with Healy) or consider theory to be quite important but to not require many new books, especially when one produces a weekly newspaper, a regular magazine and dozens of pamphlets. --Duncan 18:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SI criticism

message: Tazmaniacs, you obviously don't know at all what you are talking about: you introduced 2 obvious mistakes at once!
* "LO has rejected electoral alliances with other left-wing groups (including the Revolutionary Communist League, LCR". Wrong. LO did accept or proposed electoral alliances with the LCR at least in 1979 (EU parlement), 1999 (EU parlement), 2004 (Regional), 2004 again (EU parlement) and even in 2007 (at least 5 common candidates), and many times in local elections. In addition, LO had alliances with other left-wing groups in the 70' and the 80', and even with the PSU (several alliances during the 70'). LO also proposed (once to my knowledge) an alliance with the Communist Party.
* "LCR, criticized as being non-revolutionary". Wrong again. Never, never LO wrote or suggested the LCR (or any other leftist group) would not be revolutionary. Some aspects of its politics or behavior may be criticized (as the LCR criticizes LO as well), but what you say is simply wrong. On the other hand, you can easily find some texts where LO claims its solidarity with the LCR (e.g. "nous espérons sincèrement que d’ici la date limite il en trouvera suffisamment pour se présenter car nous espérons vraiment que l’extrême gauche soit représentée par nos deux candidats, Olivier Besancenot et Arlette Laguiller" Lutte de classe, december 2006). About the LCR wish to create a new party, Le Figaro writes "Arlette Laguiller, la porte-parole de LO, dit regarder cette initiative avec « sympathie »".
Things seem to be a little more complicated than you imagined. Please, consider writing on subjects you know something about, or check your information before writing. OscarHippe 07:28, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  LO and the LCR 

message: I cancelled the last modification because
* it is far too detailed: this is a LO page, not a Combat Communist page
* the facts are not even accurate, and there are too many errors to be corrected (e.g. the Combat communist militants are said to join the fraction in 88, while the fraction was created in 95, and so on)
Please, feel free to add SOME selected details if needed, but check your sources first.
OscarHippe (talk) 09:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combat communiste 

message: The article is interesting but there is still no mention of the most characteristic elements of Lutte Ouvrière 
(very gradual recruitment methods - years of apprenticehsips; requirement to break with "petty bourgeois" family; strong discouragement of marriage and children; strict discipline). So it is a very weak article for the moment. Johncmullen1960 (talk) 06:14, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  internal life and methods 

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