Talk:Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory

message: At the end of "Finally Free" when Nicolas has walked inside and the tv is on, I believe the news report is on CNN (I recognize the voice) about JFK Jr dying since it mentions Washington, a "member of American nobility," and " yet another tradegy in a long string of misfortunes."  Since the CD was released in 2000 and JFK Jr died in 1999, it is possible that his death occured around the time of the CD's recording.  I haven't visited any fan websites to see if this is true, but if anyone else agrees with my hypothesis I think it should be included in the track summaries. --22:47, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is ... I heard this somewhere also. I think it was on the commentaries of the Scene from NY DVD --Pinnecco 15:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I also think it was in the DVD commentaries. They included the news report to tell the listeners that Nicholas' story happened in a recent past. Can anyone confirm this? --Paraiba 13:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I think i might be a nod to the album Operation Mindcrime, by Queensrÿche, anyone else think this? Or have i just been listening to too much of them? --Nicpic10 18:17, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  CNN News Report? 

message: Hey, does anyone else think that the title of this article should be "Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory" I know that on the CD spine only the title "Scenes from a Memory" is shown, and that on the front of the album "Scenes from a Memory" is in bold while "Metropolis Pt. 2" is not... So my question is, does anyone else think the article should be changed to reflect the full album title? Just a thought. (Drlecter491 08:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full title 

message: At the end of the story should it really be stated that the hypno kills Nicholas?  No one really knows if he does or not...just a thought since nothing ever comes out and says it happens that way...
Actually in Metropolis 2000, the face of The Miracle is clearly shown when the hypno kills Nicholas.
What? That makes no sense. The hypnotherapist has a very calm voice, not that of a killer.. My interpretation is: Nicholas is still in a trance, while we witness the Miracle coming home from the murder, blood still on his hands. To calm his nerves he pours a glass of whisky (he was a whisky-drinker, right?) and sits down, listening to the news of his own actions. The whole scene is abrupted by the voice of the hypnotherapist, waking Nicholas from his trance. Nicholas wasn't only Victoria - he was the killer/Miracle as well. He lets out a scream as he realizes the terrible fact. The static is supposed to be your own audio player, symbolically throwing you into confusion. Of course, this must have been fairly hard to arrange for the concert, so the story had to be changed somewhat to fit a theatrical version. May I be right? Portnoy talks about the story fooling you. You don't realize what's really going on until the end. The hypnotherapist being the miracle is just too silly for an album as fantastic as this one. :) Portnoy's quote: "throughout the entire album, you're led down one path toward solving the mystery (Nicholas is Victoria), but at the end it sort of twists into some different places, and you can find some clues at the end of the album that lead you to believe something else (Nicholas is the killer)". This way, the story gets a kind of a "sixth sense"-ending. The Metropolis 2000-version might have been symbolical. Through leading Nicholas to realize this, he kills his soul. Deep enough? :D Bjern 15:44, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the DVD, and in the commentary for it, it is shown that the hypnotherapist kills Nicholas. Offski (talk) 22:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Story Ending? 

message: Shouldn't the stage pla adaptation be mentioned? It was sone by a theater company in London called "the BATS"71.214.177.214 21:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stage Play

message: There is a lot of talk about the story of this album, but there doesn't seem to be any mention of the actual music going on ("Shrink and Grow" from Fatal Tragedy, anyone?). I think a part should added about this--142.167.93.68 15:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: There is a "rock opera" category listing.  It has the likes of 2112 and Operation: Mindcrime there.  Should we include SfaM on it?  Will someone make that link, please? InnocuousFox 06:36, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Rock Opera" Category 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2- Scenes from a Memory.jpg

message: When Nicholas meets The Old Man outside Victoria's house, Nicholas states that he "felt that [he] could trust him"; could it be possible that The Old Man is the reincarnation of Julian (The Sleeper)? He does seem to know some info about Victoria's murder, pointing a possible clue at this. Although it doesn't specifically state how much older The Old Man is to Nicholas, but there was a 70-odd year gap  between Victoria being murdered and Nicholas going into regression (remember the album was released in 1999/2000, and the CNN report at the end of Scene Nine suggests this takes place around that time also)
Note that the final line sung in Scene Nine was "We'll meet again my friend / Someday soon", possibly referring to Victoria/Nicholas and Julian/The Old Man (and maybe Ed/The Hypno. also?); it's improbable that it could be between Victoria and Nicholas, as they share the same soul; although in Scene Eight, Victoria appears in front of Nicholas, telling him to move on, but Nicholas was still under regression, so this may just be a memory of Victoria's, with Nicholas interpreting this as something else.
Your thoughts on this?~~NaN 11:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is beyond the scope of a Wikipedia article.  Leave it on the forums.  Clearlyfakeusername (talk) 19:41, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Old Man 

message: As we know, Their previous album Falling into Infinity was to contain a 20-odd minute track, entitled "Metropolis Pt 2", but this was cut out.
But looking at some other tracklist I found on the internet (OK, you got me, it was a torrent site) shows a track entitled "Metropolis Pt 2 Demo (Bonus Track).mp3" at the bottom; did certain copies of this CD have the Demo track on?~~NaN 16:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Falling Into Infinity Demo 

message: "The album was ranked number 95 on the October 2006 issue of Guitar World magazine's list of the greatest 100 guitar albums of all time"
~ First paragraph
When following the link, it leads to some forum, but is actually a dead link. Suggest removal of this statement?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.56.253 (talk) 06:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greatest albums of all time..... or not? 

message: This has confused me for ages. Just how old was Victoria when she died??? --JemHadar359 (talk) 01:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is ambiguous, but I would guess a "young girl" would be no older than 25 or 26; probably between 15 and 20.  But that's just my guess.  Clearlyfakeusername (talk) 19:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victoria's age??? 

message: If this concept album is in two acts, then scenes 6–9 actually are: "Act II, Scenes 1–4". –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:55, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is normally correct convention, but the album labels them differently. Clearlyfakeusername (talk) 19:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Act II, Scenes 6–9

message: A genre dispute seems to have arisen over whether this album is more progressive metal than progressive rock. From the looks of it, progressive metal remained first and foremost for years per invisible consensus. Granted, this is pure opinion, but to me the overwhelmingly obvious metal tracks are 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 12 – many of which are long (5, 6, 8, 11), and a lone vocal/acoustic track. So I gotta know, how this primarily a progressive rock album? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 22:55, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, this was much more of a heavy prog-rock album, more similar to bands like Rush or Kansas, than a prog-metal album. It showcased more major-key harmonics and melodies, and all in all just seemed a lot mellower/upbeat and less aggressive than, say, Train of Thought or Black Clouds. Plus, about half the songs on the album are no doubt prog-rock (essentially the ones you missed off your list of prog metal tracks). As well as that, I think track 12 is, again, leaning further towards heavy prog-rock. Also, parts of Dance of Eternity and Beyond This Life are pure-prog, eg the keyboard solos/breaks, and some of the guitar sequences, and the bridge section and acoustic parts in the latter. Furthermore, the whole concept of this being a concept album containing tracks ranging from 1 - 12 minutes in length screams prog-rock. Finally, prog-rock has both a visible and an invisible consensus, whereas prog-metal only has an invisible one, and generally visible sources are a bit safer. The album was compared to albums such as Rush's 2112 and Yes's Close to the Edge on Rolling Stones' list of top prog-rock albums. In conclusion, I think this is more a heavy prog-rock album than pure prog-metal. 86.172.245.83 (talk) 23:43, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the Allmusic review for the album says "There was a point where they tried to straighten out their sound somewhat, as they flirted with straight-ahead, laid-back metal on 1997's Falling into Infinity, but with its 1999 studio sequel, Scenes from a Memory, Dream Theater delves straight into old-fashioned prog rock." It is essentially talking about the contrast between Falling Intro Infinity, a definite prog-metal album, and SFAM. 86.172.245.83 (talk) 23:47, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Prog metal or rock first

message: In Synopsis > Act I there is the sentence "(last name given during video introduction during 2019 tour)". The lastname Page was known before that. For instance, it appears in the "Metropolis 2000: Scenes From New York" VHS/DVD projected onto the background stage screen during the song "Through Her Eyes" during LaBrie's singing of "In loving memory of our child; So innocent, eyes open wide". The way that this sentence is written gives the idea that the band added just in 2019 new information to the "Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory" canon which is not true.Bernardo Lopes (talk) 13:42, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Synopsis improvement

message: It seems to me I’ve seen something like a Cultural References section in other wiki articles, detailing when the subject of the article has been referred to in other media (such as when The Simpsons parodied Poe’s The Raven).
Turns out DT is thanked for this album at the end of this novel:
The Grave Below https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735735019/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_6iIxFb8H9CKX9
So do folks feel such things merit a section at the end of the article?
:Since neither the book nor the author have articles, they may not be notable enough to be worth a mention here. While I don't personally agree with this, the community of editors have shown a tendency to keep sections such as "Cultural references" or "Cover versions" as short as possible, usually focusing only on notable events presented in prose instead of a list format. PS: Please, sign your comments by adding for tildes (~~~~) at the end of them. Victor Lopes Fala!•C 18:16, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural references section?