Talk:Cockatiel

message: Tannin, in running text, I believe that the word "cockatiel" should not be capitalized. All text that I have read has not had it capitalized. The Chicago Manual of Style says this:
: 8.136 Common names. For the correct capitalization and spelling of common names of plants and animals, consult a dictionary or the authoritative guides to nomenclature, the ICBN and the ICZN, mentioned in 8.127. In any one work, a single source should be followed. In general, Chicago recommends capitalizing only proper nounds and adjectives, as in the following examples, which conform to Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.
:* Dutchman's-breeches
:* mayapple
:* jack-in-the-pulpit
:* rhesus monkey
:* Rocky Mountain sheep
:* Cooper's hawk
: 8.137 Domestic animals and horticultural categories. Either a dictionary or the guides to nomenclature ICZN and ICBN should be consulted for the proper spelling of breeds of domestic animals and broad horticultural categories.
:* Rhode Island Red
:* Hereford
:* German shorthaired pointer
:* Maine coon or coon cat
:* boysenberry
:* rambler rose
:* Thoroughbred horse
AlexanderWinston 02:39, 2004 Jul 4 (UTC)
:We're purposely not following Chicago here. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds#Names and Titles. To wit, each unhyphenated word in the common name of a species is to be capitalized. This standard hs been adopted by several other sub-projects of Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life, although there is still some debate as to whether or not to use this standard for all articles covered by ToL. You can follow some of the debate on the ToL talk pages. - UtherSRG 06:04, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: I have listed this article on WP:CU as it does not seem to be written from a neutral point-of-view. There are several weasel terms and emotive, POV terms, such as 'magnificent', 'amazingly adorable', etc. which really do not belong in an encyclopedia article. --Kurt Shaped Box 14:49, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it now?  I've removed some of the more obvious things.  I left in the parts about popularity and temperament...  Those are probably things worth discussing about a bird that's often kept as a pet, and generally somewhat less subjective than beauty or uniqueness.  I don't know of any 'authoritative' way to describe them, though. --Aquillion 02:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it looks far better now than it did.  My vote would be to remove the clenup label.   Jtmichcock 03:25, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah - I agree, it's looking good now. Thanks for all your hard work, guys. :) --Kurt Shaped Box 10:03, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I also agree that the cleanup label should be removed. David Hoag 18:55, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:34, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I have been bold and taken the step of removing this entire section from the article, which read like a handbook on how to care for pet cockatiels. Wikipedia is not an instruction manual and there is plenty of information on such matters in the external links. Perhaps a section describing what the birds normally eat in the wild would be appropriate? --Kurt Shaped Box 22:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This issue is addressed here.  Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.  Tomertalk 04:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

text: There's no reason why the diet of the birds in the wild shouldn't be included. It would be completely appropriate. Largoplazo (talk) 22:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there should be some diet information included. The World Parrot Trust (click "wild status" at the top) says "feeds on a wide variety of seeds, especially Acacia, as well as wheat, sunflower and sorghum", for what it's worth. Iloveparrots (talk) 20:05, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of 'nutrition and diet' section 

message: As much as I'd love to throw my two cents in on the cockatiel as a pet, I'm going to stick to Wikipedia needs; I'll look for a link to forum elsewhere on pet care advice to include for this reason.  This article desparately needs citations.  I'd also like to expand it to include more behavior and health topics. I have a few things already on my plate, so it may take a week or two, but in the mean time, any other suggestions for improvement would be wonderful and greatly appreciated! --Chuchunezumi 20:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvements Possible

message: I'm going to remove some of the sections on this talk page, since they have nothing to do with the article in itself. The "Worst pet" vs "Greatest pet" sections have no place in this article, and not on this talk page, since they are about the different opinions people has on the subject of this article. Wikipedia is not a discussion forum, talk pages are meant for discussions regarding the article in question, not the subject of the article. Please see the WP:NOT page if you have questions about this. /M.O (u) (t) 12:42, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk page cleanup 

message: Part of the article reads:
However, some cockatiels can "scrap."
There is no elaboration whatsoever.  In context it appears to have something to do with cockatiels standing up to other birds.  Someone with knowledge should explain exactly what this means.
Mbarbier 19:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does it mean to "scrap"? 

message: I have removed this section per WP:NOT - Wikipedia isn't an instruction manual, and shouldn't contain advice or how-to's of this kind. Information of this kind might be more suitable for the Wikibooks project instead. /M.O (u) (t) 09:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Cockatiel Care for the Beginning Bird Enthusiast 

message: Is the "they will mate almost anywhere" and accompanying picture necessary?  The comment seems more anecdotal than backed up by evidence, and no other pet bird pages have pictures of mating.  --zandperl 01:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose I could go find sources for this, but the accompanying text discusses the birds' promiscuity (well-known by anyone who has a mated pair) and I thought the image demonstrated that they do, in fact, as a guy put it at a bird-club meeting I was once at, "have no couth. They will breed on a bus".If one of our featured pictures shows two flies in the act, I don't see why we can't have this one (although I would be the first to admit that it certainly does not necessitate having a picture of animals mating on every pet page, unless (as I believe to be the case here), there is some claim made in the article regarding their mating procedure. Daniel Case 16:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breeding 

message: I have left a message on the above IP user talk page ((who is also presumably this IP user too - 207.112.64.44) asking for the changes they keep making that are reverted to be discussed on this talk page, rather than keep adding them when they are reverted and especially doing so without any edit summary or explanations as to why they are doing so, and also without providing a source. Major changes like this should not simply be done without any sources and without an edit summary. I have reverted two edits but am loathe to revert more today as I don't wish to violate the 3RR rule. But I would ask the IP user 207.112.59.135 to discuss this in here rather than keep changing the article. ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 22:01, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes made by IP user 207.112.59.135

message: As the article Whiteface lutino cockatiel deals with an appearance-oriented mutation of Nymphicus hollandicus and is not a distinct species, I believe that merging the information from the Whiteface article with the main cockatiel article is appropriate.
If the Whiteface lutino mutation is to remain a separate article, it would logically follow that each cockatiel mutation have its own article, as is the case with arguably the most common animal used in demonstrating appearance-related mutations, Drosophilia melanogaster.
As it stands, D. melanogaster has its own article, but major varieties have their own articles, such as...
# Drosophila (Sophophora) melanogaster
# Drosophila (Sophophora) simulans
# Drosophila (Sophophora) sechellia
# Drosophila (Sophophora) yakuba 
...and so forth. However, because the cockatiel mutations are not generally of concern with such specificity (and indeed it would be very challenging to accumulate enough genetic information in this regard and format it in an encyclopedic manner in this venue to make the articles substantial if independent) I believe the cockatiel article should be a single entity, containing information about mutations, as the other mutations have not been individually addressed with enough detail to warrant separation.
If in the future the mutation section IS made robust enough to warrant article division, that effort could be undertaken at that time. For the present, merging is appropriate in my estimation.
Bhs itrt 16:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, considering that there have been no objections, I went ahead and merged the content of the Whiteface lutino cockatiel article here. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 01:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Whiteface lutino cockatiel: Agree 

message: Although for some reason it is popular to say that female cockatiels are able to mimic sounds (as they are in some species of parrot), I have raised cockatiels for nearly 30 years and I have NEVER heard a female even attempt to mimic a sound. This is a dimorphic characteristic of the species. Many bird species have vocalization patterns in the male only due to a special region of the brain being developed for such behavior in conjunction with mating displays. Sound mimicry alone is a 100% reliable method for sexing a cockatiel in which other dimorphic characteristics are not clear (such as with lutinos and white face). I am requesting a very substantial reference to back up this claim in the article. Jkhamlin (talk) 12:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, there is no reason to believe, if females are capable of mimicry, that they would only be capable of whistling and not speech. This statement doesn't appear to have face value.Jkhamlin (talk) 12:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocalization 

message: Nominated April 5, 2008;
Support:
# Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 12:13, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Cockatiel]] (4 votes) is new collab for April/May 2008

message: Um, a lot, I think. We need to prune down some of the aviculture stuff perhaps, and add info on the biology of wild birds - I'll raid HANZAB for info. Eventually we need a photo of wild bird as well (possibly easier said than done, even the birds of the world group in Flickr only has one wild bird). Oh, and we'll need to, uh, prune some of the photos of pet birds and replace them with halfway decent ones.  Sabine's Sunbird  talk 22:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: To do list

message: Dang and blast. :) --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 14:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: So, not much got done, did it?

message: Why is the name "Cockatiel parakeet" used several times in the article, like as though that is the correct name of the bird in English?  I know that Americans seem quite eager to use the word parakeet on any bird they can (e.g. the budgerigar), but can anyone supply an authoritative reference to justify 'cockatiel parakeet' as opposed to just 'cockatiel'?  This term is not used, at least in Australia.
I just realised that there is a link on the cockatiel page 'Martin Rasek's Cockatiel Parakeet's Genetic calculator'.  Following the link though, you won't find Cockatiel Parakeet, just Cockatiel. 203.101.229.213 (talk) 21:05, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not exactly sure why the term 'Cockatiel parakeet' is being used here. It's been changed back and forth several times over the last few months. I'd like an explanation too. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 23:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cockatiel Parakeet?

message: Why do cockatiels "hiss?"
Some birds will emit a distinctive "hiss" when irritated, retreating rapidly or defending 
with pecking bites, which can be relatively strong for their size."This "hiss" is a form 
of mimicry used in a defensive attempt to confuse the cockatiel's most common predator, 
the snake.Cockatiels only "hiss" when irritated in the dark.For example,you wake up, everything is dark,then you try to play with your cockatiel[s],Suddenly,he,she,or they will "hiss".But,please don't try to do it,For them,it will be like seeing a ghost!
 
The citation being that snakes, aside from tactile vibrations are not capable of 'hearing' sound. Therefor Cockatiels are more likely, if at all, mimicking snakes to frighten other various predators or even more than likely, especially when combined with beak tapping 
and wing spreading, as a form of intra-species territorial display.
As written in its present context, the portion of 
text here sited by [|]is completely erroneous and misleading.
72.234.12.166 (talk) 11:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have clarified the sentence in question, and it now simply states that the hissing is the bird mimicking snakes.  Does this fix your observation?  ... Thinking about it though, Cockatiels I've had hissed when irritated, but have never (as far as I know!) been near a snake, so therefore it can't be mimicry but rather a natural thing.  This may need a better explanation.  <B>S<SPAN STYLE="font-size:87%">EO75</SPAN></B> [talk] 12:02, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

text: The hissing isn't mimicking snakes at all. Snakes are, by far, not the only animals that hiss. Are cats imitating snakes when they hiss? Many, many birds hiss. Birds are immediate descendants of therapod dinosaurs. Many experts still consider birds to be archosauromorpha, which would classify them with true dinosaurs, including crocodilians. The evolution of birds in general predates the evolution of more modern forms of reptiles such as squamata, the branch that snakes fall under. It is not known how long birds exhibited hissing behavior, but for that matter, it is not known how long snakes have, either. It is not logical, nor factual, however, to assume that because snakes are colloquially associated with hissing that that would mean that birds are merely imitating snakes when they hiss. How many domesticated birds have even seen a snake?Jkhamlin (talk) 04:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hissing 

message: why are my Cockatiel female throw the eggs out  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.177.29.124 (talk) 23:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  hello 

message: "In contrast to other parrots, male and female cockatiels both take part in raising their young. Cockatiels are the only members of the parrot family that do not feed their partner, therefore both male and female cockatiels incubate the eggs and raise their young together, where the male usually sits at night and the female during the day, but it can vary."
I have a breeding couple that feed each other continuously. They do this while they are nesting, after the eggs are hatched, and while the other is tending to the chick. I do not know if this is unusual. I would like to know if there are other owners that have experienced this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.186.95.182 (talk) 23:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breeding and egg care. 

message: Needs a description as well as wild diet, behaviour etc. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rerated as C

message: The categories list includes Talking Birds, and I've heard a cockatiel talk, so I already know the answer. Could someone include a few sentences on this topic in the article, please? Koro Neil (talk) 07:11, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do cockatiels talk? 

message: Are cockatiels generally considered domesticated?  If so, please add a note to that effect on the page.  (the Domesticated Animals list has, to solve a dispute, decided that only animals that have the word "domesticated" on their source page are to be considered truly domesticated)  Tamtrible (talk) 18:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domestication 

message: I lowercased some stuff, but I see there's a lot more here, and in Cockatiel colour genetics.  These mutation names are not species names, are they?  Is there a reason they're capitalized here?  Dicklyon (talk) 03:54, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization of mutations 

message: I've revamped a number of the more awkward parrot articles to bring them into some kind of standard layout, according to what I perceive is "most" standard among the bird articles.  Here's my layout:
(intro)
Taxonomy(or Taxonomy and naming)
Description
Behavior
::Feeding
::Breeding (or Reproduction)
Distribution and Habitat
::Conservation status
Aviculture
Popular Culture
(other non-content sections: See Also, etc)
Parts of this article would be subsections under "Aviculture", and that constitutes most people's knowledge of this bird outside Australia.  But a zoological/ornithological article would have a focus on its morphological description (weight? wingspan? zygodactyl feet?), biology (breeding season? courting display? where do they nest? how many eggs? what color? hen and cock brood?  hatching, fledging, weaning, and sexual maturity times?) and ecology (biome habitat, need a certain kind of nesting tree, particular food, prey, predators, migration, etc).
Lifespan is in captivity; in the wild, maybe 10 years.  No clear distinction between maximum lifespan and typical lifespan.  Some human lived to 122, but a better statement would be "Humans can live more than 100 years, but average lifespan is 80."  For cockatiels, "Cockatiels can live more than 20 years in captivity, but typical lifespan is 12-16 years."  The statement about a 36 year old cockatiel is suitable for the Guinness Book of World Records, but contributes little to understanding this bird.
There's still some flowery language anthropomorphizing the bird.
This article needs attention from an expert zoologist, naturalist or ornithologist for content and layout.  I'm reluctant to engage on an article with too many eyeballs on it - there'd be more contention than consensus.
Sbalfour (talk) 23:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd just go ahead and be WP:BOLD about it, had I the sources in front of me. This article, despite being about a popular bird species, hasn't really been edited much recently beyond people adding/removing a few words here and there, or changing the photos around. There doesn't appear to be any editors that are heavily involved at present. Have you seen Cockatiel (aviculture) and Cockatiel colour genetics, by the way? Originally, most of the content of those articles was present in this one. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 20:07, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  standard layout;  biology and ecology  content;  scholarly  tone 

message: Maybe we should merge these two articles and pull out something useful from the one to have it inserted in the other? I'm VERY tempted to set the "merge" template, but I'm going to refrain from doing that for now. -andy 217.50.43.222 (talk) 21:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cockatiel (aviculture)]] 

message: Not all eggs hatch but some do i have two cockatiel's non of the eggs  hatched.I was rely hopeing for a baby cockatiel.--68.197.115.214 (talk) 23:08, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not all eggs hatch 

message: Just noticed that this article doesn't have any info about the cockatiel's nesting habits in the wild. Pretty big omission? 146.200.127.203 (talk) 01:01, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nesting behavior? 

message: I owned a bird sanctuary of rescued domestic pets.  I have had too many teils.  On a proper diet and care, I have had many cockatiels live their full lifespan of 30 years.  More years than that? Well its like our old people leaving in their hundreds.  I have had seemingly healthy birds die early between 5-15 years, like humans.  But the lifespan normally is 30 years. 2603:8000:6B3E:274B:454E:7968:86F1:88E3 (talk) 02:32, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cockatiel Lifespan 

message: looks like the internet archive has a multitude of cockatiel-related material, though most of it is related to domesticated ones and breeding. if anyone knows of any publications that could assist in improving the article, please let me know! this article is quite short, and the amount of domesticated information makes it hard to find more general information about these birds. thank you. B3251 (talk) 01:11, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  resources for sources