Talk:King of the Gypsies

message: This article brings together knowledge acquired on the periphery of my main research interests. I thought it would be useful to bring together many disparate references, and some which refer to people who may not have been called King of the Gypsies but were clearly very similar in role to people who had. There is insufficient space to investigate the social and political context in which it used, though in some cases it is obvious.
Most of these would not justify an article on their own, cross-referenced to a category.
I have included clearly fictional characters because they inform the context. 
My main knowledge is Britain. I am aware that in a wider context sections need expanding.
I am aware of the Gypsy/Roma issue. As this is an article recording history, not a current work of sociology I think it is right to use the term as used at the time. GBH 14:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article needs a lot of help. For one, Travelers are not Roma.  So it makes little sense to lump what appear to be Roma leaderships and Traveler leadership all together under the title King of the Gypsies.  For example, Bartley Gorman was decidedly not Roma at all and his title 'King of the Gypsies' seems to have had nothing to do with leadership in anything other than brawling.  --Geofferic (talk) 07:40, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: Some gramaticle edits are needed, but I'll tend to those myself.  In a few cases it's hard to tell what the author was trying to say, so additional refernces may be needed.  
I would also move to have this page retitled, as only a few of the individuals mentioned were called —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.213.251.31 (talk) 20:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do NOT retitle. The referral of the heads of 'gypsie' clans at 'Kings' or 'Queens' has a history to it, in a large number of countries. There are also more that can be included as the article grows. As well, the titles you suggest are racist stereotypes. While there have been criminal elements regarging various 'gypsy' clans, it would be no more accurate than saying all Italians were connected to the mafia. AGF and all. -- Kavri 11:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retitle 

message: I ran across this article when taking stock of what information on the 'Gypsies' was in Wikipedia. There are a number of articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsies
which also includes links to articles on each sub-group, as does the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_People
I hope that in fixing the issue with the template that the article can be kept...while it needs a lot of work, it adds further information to the other articles. As well, there is an article on Peter Maas, who wrote "King of the Gypsies" and it has a great deal of information in it regarding the "Gypsies" in the United States, including the 'Kings' and 'Queens'.
I hope to do some work on all the above articles, and have an excellent resource book for the topic as well. -- Kavri 11:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: please keep article

message: Both recents edits are right and wrong. There was no pirate "Bluebeard", though there was a "Blackbeard" (Edward Teach), who is sometimes mistakenly called Bluebeard. There was pirate "Barbe-Bleu" which would translate to Bluebeard, but is and should be left in the original French. Neither of these had anything to do with this Bluebeard who, so far as I am aware appears nowhere else. GBH 16:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bluebeard is a fictional character, likely modeled after Gilles de Rais.  --Geofferic (talk) 07:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bluebeard - Yes & No

message: I have added web content to this page, it is great for Romany history with links to other Romany artciles on wikipedia.
81.159.142.251 (talk) 09:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Keep this page

message: Nane Rom romanedyr vavre Romen!!! RomanyChaj-रोमानीछाय (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 11:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I take it you have never realized that romanies in the UK took British names in order to sound less foreign, so tracing the Faa name back to Wales proves nothing. The English names Boswell, West, Marshall originat in England or the Norman Conquest so are you assuming the Marshall romanichels are French-norse? The Faa family are romanies they took names in the areas they arrived in including the borders of Scotland where the name Faa was common.Uthican (talk) 00:56, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real Gypsies has no king 

message: The section about Bulgaria gypsy king seems to be pure vandalism. This "citation needed" is funny there. Please, just remove the whole section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.83.249.136 (talk) 19:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism in section Bulgaria 

message: Tyson Fury is the undisputed Gypsy King in England, in the UK, in the World in 2016.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.128.160.99 (talk) 18:56, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tyson Fury 

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message: Unfortunately, some people, especially non-Roma, do not want precise information.
You want to maintain clichés.
The Roma per se do not exist, there are various Roma groups that differ so greatly in language, religion and culture. The different groups in the article must be taken into account.
Each group has its own Romano Ray (King). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nalanidil (talk • contribs) 11:13, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever you claim to know about different groups of Roma, you cannot change what the sources say, especially in a direct quote. Example: The court record from Old Bailey here says . If you change the quote to say "alias king of the Romanichal Gypsies", you are falsifying the quote, creating a dishonest claim. Another example: The younger members of the Karoli family in Norway did not just claim to be "King of Norway Gypsies" or "King of All Norway Gypsies in The World". Their claim was to be "King of One Million Gypsies" and "King of All Gypsies in The World". Even if their claim was ridiculous, we just cannot change what they actually claimed. That would be not just dishonest, but a direct lie. --T*U (talk) 12:33, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

text: Differences between different groups of Roma people is best discussed at Romani diaspora. This page is specifically about the title in question and its various claimants. CMD (talk) 16:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Informations