Talk:Rocky Marciano/Archive 1

message: "It's not how many times you get knocked down, it's how many times you get back up."  Anyone have a source for this?  I have also seen it attributed to Vince Lombardi, among others. Fumblebruschi 20:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote attribution?

message: Googled this, and, outside of the geocities page cited here, there is no mention of "rocky day" besides those on wikipedia and its mirrors.  Considering that information on "Rocky Day" was originally added by a user who is now blocked (and has multiple blocked sockpuppets), I think it's almost certainly made up, and am removing it. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 10:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Rocky day" 

message: Please sign your comments by appending 4 tildes (~~~~) to the end, thanks. Herostratus 03:30, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sign your edits, please

message: I'm pretty sure that Marciano was not the subject of the movie Rocky as this article claims.  Check http://imdb.com/title/tt0075148/trivia and notice "Stallone based his Rocky character on a little-known New Jersey club boxer named Chuck Wepner. In March 1975, Wepner challenged the then-heavyweight champ Muhammad Ali to a title fight in Cleveland, Ohio. He lasted almost the entire fifteen rounds and became one of the few challengers to Ali to knock him to the ground."  The imdb trivia page does not mention Marciano.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.85.226.147 (talk • contribs) 
:The article is discussing two movies there, but the wording could be clearer.  I'll play with it. iMeowbot~Mw 04:53, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rocky Movie 

message: The article states that "Legend has it that center Rocky once intercepted a pass and ran 60 yards with the ball to score a touchdown."  Centers are on the offense; it is simply not possible for a center to intercept a pass.  I am pointing this out rather than correcting it because I don't know the proper version of this "legend".  -Rwv37 02:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Football 

message: When Marciano died, Glen Farley wrote a tribute to him that was published in the Brockton Enterprise.  The paper reran it annually for some years.  Can anyone find that tribute and post it here?  I have searched the net pretty well, found several references to the tribute, but no copy of the text.  Jm546 20:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Farley's tribute 

message: I've reverted back to User:Curps' version, since the tone and style of writing is much more suitable for an encyclopaedia article on Marciano. For example, consider the opening paragraph:
:Marciano had to fight practically since the start of his life in Brockton, Massachusetts. He contracted pneumonia when he was one year old, and he almost did not survive. But Marciano was a strong baby, and he was able to overcome the infection. His mother's sister gave him lots of hot soup to drink, even forcing him and within days he was better. It was considered a miracle.
The statements that Marciano "had to fight" and "was a strong baby", and that his recovery was "considered a miracle" after being given "lots of hot soup to drink" are all examples of subjective and creative writing. It sounds like a decent introduction to a book or short story about Marciano, but not for an encyclopaedia article.
If there are any specific facts that you think are missing, then of course feel free to (re-)add them. But a wholesale reversion of the article isn't warranted. Cheers. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 00:30, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One last thought - rewriting the article is most certainly not vandalism, and it is a bit disingenuous to claim otherwise in your edit summaries. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 00:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unencyclopaedic tone 

message: First of all you do not know the story of Rocky and to
you everything is subjective, curbs not only took that
thing about soup away but so many, many other facts
and people associated with Marciano. It is not
subjective, since everything is and was according to
books written on Marciano, do not expect me to tear
those pages and paste them here, after scanning them.
This currect version is ok, of course if there are
some little things which need changing or of course...
some spelling, be my guest, otherwise, buzz off and
stop vandalising the site, it was great for a long
time and the above statement Association with Rocky
means this current version before Curbs vandalized it!
: Okay, I'm not going to revert this article (again) for the moment. Instead, I've added a  tag to the beginning of the article to notify readers that we're trying to write a better version. Now, are there any specific changes between the two versions that you don't like? Were there any factual details left out? If so, then we can look at putting them back in.
: Do you have any thoughts on my original objections (above, under the title "Unencyclopaedic tone")? It may very well be true that the previous (before Curps' edits) version was a true story of Marciano, however it was told in a very informal tone. It read like a book, not like an encyclopaedia entry. To maintain a neutral point of view, Wikipedia entries should not have unnecessarily colourful or evocative wording - it's usually best to just stick to the facts, and let the reader decide things for themselves.
: So for instance, instead of saying 
::But Marciano was a strong baby, and he was able to overcome the infection. His mother's sister gave him lots of hot soup to drink, even forcing him and within days he was better. It was considered a miracle.
: it's better to say something more like
::After a long and difficult recovery, Marciano finally overcame the infection.
: The former version is full of imagery, the latter presents the situation in a more neutral light. Thoughts? --PeruvianLlama(spit) 21:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply to vandalism and association with Rocky

message: Listen, everything was ok, before vandals reverted this, but if you dont like strong baby, if that is subjective to you, why not just delete everything because then we would have to proove every little word and every word would require a link! Ok, but it's the fact, he overcame infection and so on, how do you want to put it, in what light, this is wikipedia, COMPLETELLY UNJUST ENCYCLOPEDIA I WILL NEVER USE FOR MY RESEARCH, but still it's written by volunteers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.107.220.162 (talk • contribs)  01:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried twice now to explain my thoughts on this, and both times you have only responded with some variation of "everything was okay before, stop changing things." Clearly, everything was not okay before, or else no other editor would have changed it. None of this is a reflection on you, or on Marciano, as people - it's just a matter of reaching a compromise for the tone of this one article. If you'd like to calmly discuss the contents of the article, then this talk page is open, and of course you can reach me individually on my talk page. Otherwise, it seems consensus is for keeping the alternate version, since several users have already reverted your changes. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 08:30, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Please see Wikipedia's definition of vandalism before accusing others of engaging in this activity. Also, threats are both unnecessary, and unwelcome. If you would like to see the content changed, you are welcome to discuss the changes here, and be heard with an open mind so long as you remain civil and talk things through rationally. It would also greatly help things if you signed your posts, and stopped typing IN ALL CAPS - a simple exclamation point will do! See? --PeruvianLlama(spit) 04:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutral light?

message: OK, PAGE IS BLOCKED/NEW BIO HAS BEEN WRITTEN
EVERYBODY, LOOK UNDER REVERSION FOR CORRECT BIO, ONCE THIS BECOMES UNBLOCKED, i will BE BACK, ALSO ENJOY THIS WEBSITE, SINCE WE CAN NOT DO IT HERE, NOW, WHEN IT'S IN THE SEARCH ENGINES, YOU CAN NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, PERIOD AND NOW EVERYBODY WILL SEE IT, SO HAVE FUN NOW AND GO THANK YOUR CURPS...VANDALS! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.107.220.176 (talk • contribs)  21:33, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop typing in all caps. Thanks. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 22:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No more rare links

message: YOU DONT HAVE THE RARE PDF FILES, YOUR BIO IS PATHETIC AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TOLD NOT TO EVER USE YOUR SITE... WITH SITES WHICH ARE GOING TO ALL THE SEARCH ENGINES LIKE THIS:
YOU CAN THANK CURPS FOR THIS... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.5.118 (talk • contribs)  02:15, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please? Stop typing in all caps? 'Twould be ever so much appreciated. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 06:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: HOPE YOU ALL HAVE FUN NOW

message: The additional nickname is sourced from A&E Biography. I've personally heard it used by residents of Massachusetts (including Brockton) and Rhode Island. — Greentryst TC 15:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname: "The Rock from Brockton" 

message: I commented out this part of the 'Legacy' section
Rocky was knocked down to the canvas only twice — for a total of few seconds — in his entire professional career. On both occasions, he rose to knock his opponent out. Of the heavyweight champions, only Gene Tunney and Vitali Klitschko were knocked down less than twice; although George Chuvalo was never knocked down in his professional career, he was never champion.
because at least two more heavyweight champions - Oliver McCall and Nicolay Valuev have never been knocked down so far. --AGP 10:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The line about being down 

message: Rocky movie was inspired after Wepner, true enough, to make the movie, we all agree, the name and the title comes after marciano who was tough as nails and also any boxing historian (good ones) will rate rocky in top 10. Rocky title is inspiration, name itself is championic and sounds tough. Also, do not put words into my mouth, this statement was here since 2004 AND IT CLEARY SAYS ONE OF THE GREATESTS, NO SUCH THING AS THE GREATEST, READ AND THINK FIRST BEFORE REPLYING.
There were many, many more rockies... Simple evidence is this... superfight rocky vs ali, same concept was user in a rocky movie. Again, I will remove inspired by rocky but will add partially inspired, also, i suggest you stop vandalizing this page and be more accurate.
That's not evidence. Name one other thing in any Rocky movie that has anything to do with Marciano. The movie wasn't even partially inspired by Marciano. Until you give me something like a quote from Stallone talking about the inspiration, then I'm taking it out because it isn't true. And what I'm doing isn't "vandalism." I'm simply making sure the article is accurate. You insist on inserting items in the article that simply aren't true. You may want to read other articles in Wikipedia to get an idea about what is opinion and what is fact. The items you insert are not factually accurate. MKil 20:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rocky movie

message: If you are going to say that "others consider Rocky the greatest," then you need to provide a source. I've seen no credible source that argues that Marciano was the greatest. To assert otherwise is simply inserting your opinion into this article. MKil 20:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Greatest?

message: I have made a few attempts to improve the writing of the article. Unfortunately, BoxingWear continues to revert these edits with no explanation given. So let me just ask, what is the better written paragraph:
BoxingWear: "Then came former World Heavyweight champion Ezzard Charles, whom Marciano beat by a decision in their first bout. Ezzard Charles was the only man to ever last fifteen rounds against Marciano, and the champ later praised him as one of the toughest men he ever fought in his life. After having his nose split in round six of the rematch, Marciano retained the title with an eighth-round knockout win. Then Marciano met British and European champion Don Cockell and beat him in nine rounds. In his last bout, Marciano got up off the canvas in round two to retain his title by a knockout in nine against the equally-legendary Light-Heavyweight Champion of the World Archie Moore (Moore was saved by the bell in the 6th round).
"Rocky was named fighter of the year by Ring Magazine three times. His three championship fights between 1952-54 were named fights of the year by the same magazine. Rocky's last title bout was against Archie Moore on September 21st 1955. The bout was originally scheduled for Tuesday, September 20th but because of hurricane warnings it had to be moved to the 21st. Rocky knocked out Archie in the 9th round; Archie was saved by the bell at the end of 6th round. There was a game before the boxing match and all the fights started late. When Rocky was proclaimed winner, it was already September 22nd"
Or
MKil: "Then came former World Heavyweight champion Ezzard Charles, whom Marciano beat by a decision in their first bout. Ezzard Charles was the only man to ever last fifteen rounds against Marciano, and the champ later praised him as one of the toughest men he ever fought in his life. After having his nose split in round six of the rematch, Marciano retained the title with an eighth-round knockout win. Then Marciano met British and European champion Don Cockell and beat him in nine rounds.
"Rocky's last title bout was against Archie Moore on September 21st 1955. The bout was originally scheduled for Tuesday, September 20th but because of hurricane warnings it had to be moved to the 21st. Rocky knocked out Archie in the 9th round; Archie was saved by the bell at the end of 6th round. There was a game before the boxing match and all the fights started late. When Rocky was proclaimed winner, it was already September 22nd."
Or here:
BoxingWear: "Rocky had a professional record of 49-0 with forty-three knockouts. On December 7, 1955, Bob "The Grinder" Baker[2] defeated Cuban heavy weight champ Nino Valdez[3] and the winner to face Rocky. Rocky was originally scheduled to fight Bob Baker or Nino Valdez in his last fight in the evening of January 1 or January 2[4] 1956 (there were plans for Nino Valdez bout in Cuba for June 1956), but that fight, originally planned for Miami Beach, Florida, never took place.
"Both Baker and Valdez eliminated themselves by a terrible performance; the bout was almost called a no contest, however, Baker won the 10 rounds by UD, thus giving him a very respectable 45-5 record. Many wonder how come Rocky did not wait around for Floyd Patterson, here was some talk about Floyd Patterson fighting Rocky on Wednesday Night Fights; either on January 11, 1956 or on January 4, 1956 (Floyd's 21st birthday)(probably 2.5 minutes exhibition rounds)But there was no public interest. Floyd was not a contender for a heavyweight title and he was not a ranked heavyweight. Floyd was moved to heavy weight rankings on May 2nd 1956, after Rocky retired. Floyd Patterson was a logical contender for Archie Moore's light heavyweight title. Another possible contender near the end of Marciano's career was Tommy 'Hurricane' Jackson. Floyd Patterson was not yet ready to take on Marciano and wanted a shot at the light-heavyweight championship first. Floyd had no plans to fight Rocky before 1957."
Or 
MKil: "Rocky had a professional record of 49-0 with forty-three knockouts. On December 7, 1955, Bob "The Grinder" Baker defeated Cuban heavyweight champion Nino Valdez. The winner was expected to face Marciano. That fight, originally planned for Miami Beach, Florida, never took place. Both Baker and Valdez eliminated themselves by a terrible performance. The bout was almost called a no contest, although Baker won the 10 rounds by unanimous decision.
"Many wonder how come Rocky did not wait around for Floyd Patterson, here was some talk about Floyd Patterson fighting Rocky on Wednesday Night Fights; either on January 11, 1956, or on January 4, 1956, (Floyd's 21st birthday), possibly with two-minute exhibition rounds. But again, there was no public interest. Floyd was not a contender for a heavyweight title and he was not a ranked heavyweight. Floyd was moved to heavyweight rankings on May 2, 1956, after Rocky retired. At the time of Marciano's retirment, Patterson was a logical contender for Archie Moore's light heavyweight title. Floyd Patterson was not yet ready to take on Marciano and wanted a shot at the light-heavyweight championship first. Floyd had no plans to fight Rocky before 1957. Another possible contender near the end of Marciano's career was Tommy 'Hurricane' Jackson."
And is not this sentence a blatant violation of the weasel words policy:  "Many light weight fighters remain undefeated for a long time because the punches they give and receive do not carry the power of destruction as in the heavy-weight division."
I put this here for comparison because my language keeps getting reverted. I ask others to judge. I'm not going to play the revert game any longer.  MKil 20:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Attempts to improve the article's writing

message: According to this rocky article...
There was some talk about Rocky fighting Bob Baker or Valdez, but they simply eliminated themselves. I have received some emails on this subject and I would like to share this story.
I believe there was no interest. But On January 11th Bob Satterfield lost to tall John Holman, this is it. But here's the mistake. On February 3 1956, Baker fought Jackson and Baker lost, MD 101/10. Stupid, they should have arranged Baker-Holman, Baker wins, as he won in May of 1956 in Miami Beach 12/12. So, Baker goes 46-5, best record for a heavy-weight at that time. Whatever, their choice. I am simply asking (I read an article on this on internet) why fight Hurricane Feb 56, get Holman, beat him and have a fight in May. IT goes to show Al Weill, Rocky's manager was smart, but did not look ahead too well. I do not blame Rocky, only a little bit, but why wait, they should have signed agreement with Both Baker and Valdez before December 7 1955 and go for it. New Year's day it does not get any better. I wonder if Baker drew or beat Hurricane on that faithful February day... Rocky, out of pride, must give Baker a shot.
So, we have 50-0. But I am confident first 5 rounds go to Baker.-
The late april 1956 ratings, again, point out Rocky had no logical challenger. So, the more you wait, this happens. After reading some of these articles, I wonder... End of the year 1955, finish it with a bang! Jim Norris, ibc's president wanted baker to fight rocky on february 3rd. I thought I add a little bit more... Now, i do not mean to make this look perfect, it could have been you know, But I thought since both Baker and Patterson had most respectable records of their respectable eras, i thought, if there was a time machine, I would have arranged a match between them in Jan 1956 and in September the winner gets a shot at the Rock, hmm... I wonder if current champions know they are not making good decisions when it comes to choosing opponents, managers, even worse. I wonder, 4 companies, people like Don King, sure, they get sponsors, but they divide boxing.Ultimate fighting will take over.
-Boxingwear
Cool. I don't doubt you. I'm just asking for the source. What article were you reading that said this?  Also, any source on the Patterson-Marciano bout? I'm especially interested in the mention that they would use an exhibition-style format.  MKil 22:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rocky vs 50th opponent

message: I am not sure if the following is pov or not, let's vote on it...
It's a popular opininon that many light weight fighters remain undefeated for a long time because the punches they give and receive do not carry the power of destruction as in the heavy-weight division.  
NOT POV,well a little bit, not that much- because the record of 63, 98-0 speaks for itself, sure there are tough fighters, but only some of them have hard punches, usually only few boxers in the fly weight category will deliver damage. ALso, money, it is a neutral term, but it is also plural, were or was returned?
````Boxingwear
It's completely POV.  Yes, some lighter weight boxers have undefeated records, but that's because of the skill of those particular boxers. Those records don't "speak for themselves."  Lighter weight fighters punch quite hard.  In fact, Ring magazine in 2003 ranked the hardest punchers in boxing history and Jimmy Wilde, a flyweight, was #3, Sandy Saddler was #5, Ray Robinson was #11, Wilfred Benitez was #13, Khaosai Galaxy was #19, and Alexis Arguello was #19.  In recent times, we have both Humberto Gonzalez and Michael Carbajal to put to rest the notion that lighter weight guys don't punch.
As far as the issue on "money," the word is singular, not plural, and so "was" is the correct term to use, not "were." MKil 14:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Punches power

message: BoxingWear contends that many, including Lou Dova (actually he means Lou Duva, the boxing trainer), think that Marciano is the best heavyweight fighter.  He produces one cite that has Duva saying this because Marciano was undefeated and because Marciano was his friend.  However, at this site -- http://sportsline.com/boxing/story/5981682 -- Duva says that Louis was better than Marciano.  Since BoxingWear gives no other evidence that Marciano is considered the greatest HW champ, and since Duva's stance on this issue is unclear, I'm removing it. MKil 22:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lou Duva

message: BoxingWear coninues to revert my edits and calls them "vandalism." These are the edits I made to remove redundant information which BoxingWear reverted (I remove the text in bold:
"There was talk of Marciano fighting Bob "The Grinder" Baker or Nino Valdez in his last fight in the evening of January 1 or January 2 1956 but that fight, originally planned for Miami Beach Auditorium, Florida, never took place. Both Baker and Valdez eliminated themselves by a terrible performance. Baker won 10 rounds boyt by unanimous. After this bout was almost called a no contest. At the time Baker had most respectable record in the heavy-weight division with 45-5 record. There was also discussion of a bout with Nino Valdez in Cuba for June 1956, but that also failed to take place. citation needed]) but that fight, originally planned for Miami Beach, Florida, never took place.  
    
"Both Baker and Valdez eliminated themselves by a terrible performance. The bout was almost called a no contest, although Baker won the 10 rounds by unanimous decision, thus giving him a very respectable 45-5 record. After his retirement Rocky received some criticism about not fighting Floyd. The question was how come Rocky did not wait around for Floyd Patterson?"
As anyone can clearly see, I was merely removing redundant information. This certainly is not vandalism. MKil 22:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism?

message: wants to offer a third opinion. To assist with the process, editors are requested to summarize the dispute in a short sentence below.
; Viewpoint by (MKil): I am trying to clean up the writing of this article and remove unsourced POV language. However, I find my attempts to do so continually being reverted by BoxingWear. As described in the talk page here, I attempted to clean up redundant language. One sentence is repeated in two paragraphs. There is another sentence that has a sentence fragment as part of it. I clean it up, and BoxingWear calls it "vandalism" and reverts it.  I've also tried to remove the unsourced view that "many" view Marciano as the greatest champion. No source I have found claims this. The one source quoted by BoxingWear -- of Lou Duva (or Dova, as BoxingWear calls him) -- contradicts another statement made by Duva, so I took it out. Again, it was reverted.  
These are just the two most recent examples. BoxingWear reverts almost any edit I make on this page, labelig it vandalism. I try to explain what I am doing, and he refuses to discuss changes. I attempt to point out Wikipedia policies I believe I am following  (I put a couple on his talk page) and he removes them from his talk page.  I thought I'd seek a third opinion to see if I'm doing something wrong here or what another may think. MKil 00:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. Thanks for your opinion. I'll try to avoid edit wars in the future. I'll discuss changes I make on the talk page and go to dispute resolution in the future if that does not take. Thanks again. MKil 00:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third opinion 

message: While "Both Baker and Valdez eliminated themselves by a terrible performance." might be a spiffy quote to cite, it probably doesn't need to be repeated twice within a few sentences of each repetition.  Probably just a formatting thing, but someone should consolidate and clean that up a little. Bitnine 01:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I tried to eliminate it numerous times, but BoxingWear reverted my edits and called them vandalism. However, now that someone else noticed it, he goes along.  Whatever it takes.  As long as the redundant information is gone. MKil 01:57, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup - Baker and Valdez 

message: The article has been protected for a couple days, giving everybody a chance to discuss issues and come up with a solution. If any of you need any help, don't be afraid to file a mediation request at WP:MEDCAB and a user will come help mediate the disagreement. Cheers, PTO 23:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops, sorry, forgot that. ViridaeTalk 00:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you took out information that a couple of editors worked on regarding the Woroner simulation and inserted language that everyone felt was flawed regarding Lou "Dova."  You also inserted commentary in the Johannson paragraph that is not contained in the Skehan book where I took my information.  Furthermore, the information about the Rocky movie that you inserted is mentioned in an expanded form two paragraphs above where you inserted it. There is no need for such redundant information to be included.  MKil 00:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: You did? Where? The only thing I took out was the Duva cite.  MKil 20:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Protected 

message: AND AGAIN, WE DID NOT AGREE ON THE GREATEST. He is simply killing that info, we agreed we should not include what some fake computer said about Marciano being the greatest.
Why, why should I look for links that he is greatest, THAT IS A GIVEN, it's in the world THAT SOME, SOME CONSIDER HIM GREATEST, IT'S ALREADY IN THE WORLD. Tell them he is not, Just go and tell that to majoity of italian-american communities, see what happens.
That link has to be removed, FIND ME MORE THAN 5 UNDEFEATED CHAMPIONS. And no, there are not too many.
 -Boxingwear
::Again, as has been pointed out numerous times to you, "some consider him the greatest" is not acceptable in light of Wikipedia's neutrality policy. It has to be to a verifiable group or be referenced by some authority. We had a good discussion about this above and came to a rough consensus. Then you came and reverted everything. 
::And it is certainly not a "given" that he's the greatest. If that was so, why can't you find any links that say this outside of one from his buddy Lou Duva. If it was so widespread as you make it, you should have no problem finding a way to cite it. MKil 22:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Greatest problem, not resolved, people who participated in the poll do not know boxing

message: I filed a request for checkuser and it was determined that BoxingWear is a sockpuppet of a banned user. He has now been indefinitely blocked and, needless to say, won't be editing this article anymore. Cheers, PTO 00:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your work on this. MKil 00:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, MKil. I'll be glad to help with any issues you may have in the future. PTO 00:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indefblock 

message: The article as it stands has quite a few sections suffering from blocky style and syntax problems.  Does anyone have the time to go through and polish the prose supports this very important fighter?  --Patchyreynolds 03:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing quality 

message: I started to work through some of the article's style issues, but stopped when it became clear that the lack of firm dates made the task a little pointless right now.  It appears from the article's present construction, for example, that he boxed as an amateur, quit boxing altogether, played semi-pro baseball, was signed by the Cubs, quit baseball, and then returned to Brockton where he began training for a professional career.  Is this accurate?  If so, what are the dates for all of this?  Thanks.  --Patchyreynolds 09:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical sequence very confusing 

message: Can somebody watch over current version, some "smart" individual put some pov abour rocky fighting his last fight in new york on new year's date when in fact that was planned for Florida only, also computer fight, amazing, it does not differentiate between radio and film fights. Also year was missing. I would like to expand on the radio fight, we are talking here about more than few matches. And we had a final between Dempsey and Rocky.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.244.72.2 (talk • contribs).
:I can't find anything to support the notion that Marciano planned any fight beyond the Moore fight, so all extraneous info about Baker and Valdez should probably be removed. If someone can find any reliable source for this, then I'm fine with keeping it.  The definitive biography of Marciano by Everet Skehan nowhere mentions this proposed fight, and yet we waste a paragraph here talking about it.  MKil 19:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates, places, cities wrong

message: Who removed the statue image of Rocky in his fathers italian home town ? put it backBullseye30 (talk) 17:47, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Statue removal

message: In 1985, Spinks beat David Sears and Jim McDonald, both by knockout, in title defenses, before challenging Larry Holmes for the world's Heavyweight championship in a fight recognized by the IBF. Holmes was trying to tie Rocky Marciano's record of 49-0 as the Heavyweight champion with the most fights undefeated, but it was Spinks who made double history that night, winning a 15 round split decision and becoming the first world Light Heavyweight champion ever to win the world Heavyweight title after being Light Heavyweight champion. With this, Michael and Leon had also become the first pair of brothers ever to be world Heavyweight champions. The fight was, once again, broadcast by HBO. In the return bout, Spinks won again. It is interesting to note that the fight was on 9 21 1985, exactly 30 years to the date of Rocky's 49th bout. No doubt Don King wanted to make more money. But that was very disrespectful to Marcianos and the fans. Why did Holmes fight so bad? Was he over the hill?User_talk:Dale4sail
No Larry Holmes was not over the hill if you ever look up some of the people he fought you will find out that they were bums he handpicked his fighters and fought only bums although he was a pretty good fighter all in all.User_talk:The K.O. King
And who did Rocky beat? bums and old men!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.69.207 (talk) 18:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Breaking the Record

message: He died on the way to give a speech for a friend's son? Was he running for office or going to jail? This is a strange way to die and needs a better explanation. 67.110.221.182 
I can not tell you for sure, nobody does, I know his wife was disappointed, he was to come home on August 31st before 9pm. Instead he was invited to make a speech of support to a young man of 21, he was about to enter business world. He was told he'd be back in the morning of his birthday, giving him just enough time to sleep and get ready to celebrate birthday with his son, daughter and wife. But, definitely, nothing to do with jail even though Rocky knew many people in jail, but himself was never involved in mafia operations. Death was unexpected, it usually is.Indianawisdom 19:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Death?

message: Does anybody know if Marciano had any kids, brothers, or sisters?The K.O. King (talk) 22:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relatives 

message: Should we mention that Marciano at one point in time held the record for most consecutive knockouts at the start of a career for a Heavyweight champion (this record was beaten by Tyson and later on Klitschko). The K.O. King (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  16 straight 

message: Hi:
I know damn-all about boxing but I was chatting with this fellow in a restaurant yesterday evening and he enjoys boxing and so I ended upon Wikipedia. According to this gent, Marciano was in the UK during WW2 and some Australian shot off his mouth and they ended up brawling. Marciano, according to the story I was told, rung the Australian's bell and the backwards snap dented the wall. Apparently the bar put a frame around the dent in the wall with a plaque. Is this true? Just wondering.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.187.189 (talk) 00:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes he beat up some 6'6-6'7 tall australian, at least one, rocky said he had to punch him fast or get beating!
yes i have read this story to and i think it should go in the article19:12, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stuff to look up  

message: Question.
Hi, I'm never sure about editing wikipedia, so perhaps someone else can deal with this. In the 'After boxing: the wanderer' section a computer simulated fight is described. The entry finishes with 'Marciano won in round 13 with a knockout, as he would in a real fight'. Surely that is opinion (and highly debatable opinion at that)? Anyone fancy taking that out?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul thompson888 (talk • contribs) 18:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion 

message: The article says that he was drafted for a two year term, but then it goes on to say that he served from March of 1943 until March of 1946, which would be three years.  I do not know how long the required service was for draftees into the U.S. Army in World War II; both two and three years sound reasonable but obviously the real number can be verified.  I also added a link to the United States Army for the word "army". Finally, I don't know how to add a link thing to the list of famous United States Army soldiers, but I think that someone who does know how to do this should, since he served as a U.S. soldier during World War II.  Does the person have to be famous for being a U.S. soldier in order to have a link?  If that is the standard, then of course there should not be a link, otherwise, I think there should definitely be a link.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.108.67.133 (talk) 16:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Term of Military Service 

message: Ladril continues to add this line to the lead section: "He is widely regarded as one of the best heavyweight boxers of all time" with the notation "The lead section should specify why the subject is notable." Of course the lead should do this, but it should do so without violating NPOV. As heavyweight champion of the world, it is clear why he is notable, and that is mentioned in the lead. Furthermore, it also mentions that he is one of the few boxers to retire undefeated. That, too establishes his notability. Stating that he is "widely regarded" as one of the best heavyweights strays into opinion, though. 
As the weasel words policy points out, "Claims about what people say, think, feel, or believe, and what has been shown, demonstrated, or proven should be clearly attributed." Ladril kind of does this with his notations about Marciano, although most of these references don't meet Wikipedia standards as they either don't back up his assertion  or are from public forums , . The claims about Marciano's greatness are addressed already in the article in far better fashion under the "Legacy" section, where firm references are given for various ratings of his place in heavyweight history. MKil (talk)MKil
:You're making at least one false statement. Quote: "most of these references don't meet Wikipedia standards as they either don't back up his assertion "
The reference in question says: "One sportswriter commented that if all the heavyweight champions of all time were locked together in a room, Marciano would be the one to walk out.
Read more: Rocky Marciano Biography - life, family, children, name, story, wife, mother, son, old, information, born, time, year http://www.notabl*biographies.com/Lo-Ma/Marciano-Rocky.html#ixzz0mcA6qj4W"  Ladril (talk) 19:47, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's settled now, thankfully. I stopped collaborating on this article for a long time because a user with an anti-Marciano agenda did everything he could to thwart my participation. But now this page, like all the pages for major heavyweight champions, references the fact that he is widely considered one of the best heavyweights of all time. Ladril (talk) 15:52, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: One of the Best Heavyweight Boxers

message: He first appeared in a "Combat!" episode (which episode was from the second season in 1963), and then hosted a boxing program in 1961?  Did he know the secret to time travel?Wschart (talk) 02:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  TV career 

message: Currently it says: Height 	3 ft 11 in (1.19 m)
really?????????  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.65.34.9 (talk) 23:55, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That was vandalism. Reverted. Materialscientist (talk) 23:59, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rocky's height 

message: He wasn't 5'11. I was face-to-face with him at MSG a few months before he died and my 6'0.5 father was shaking hands with him and a few inches taller and Rocky was wearing at least a 1" heel. Also a key inside source (his father trained in Rocky's gym when Marciano was coming up) said Rocky was around 5'9. Thousands of pics with him against 6'0 fighters like Walcott and Charles make it obvious. Can a registered user at least change it to 5'10?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.251.18.145 (talk) 10:02, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The source and note next to his height are just fine. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:31, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rocky's height 

message: It is way too long and full of original research. An example is apart from Rocky only Joe Calzaghe & Floyd Mayweather Jr being the only unbeaten World Champions who have escaped controversy. Joe Calzaghe has taken cocaine since his retirement, While Floyd Mayweather Jr was charged on two counts of domestic violence in 2002. (78.17.89.207 (talk) 15:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Legacy section

message: I'm receiving constant abuse from a banned editor. He constantly states Rocky's record was 9-4 not 8-4.
I did some research and 9-4 is his record including disqualifications. Do these count on official records?
ToonIsALoon (talk) 19:56, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it does. Victory via disqualification is a legitimate victory. 93.73.36.17 (talk) 09:13, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

text: Apparently I have been contacted by the same editor (see User_talk:SummerPhDv2.0#Privacyshattered). - SummerPhDv2.0 01:46, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

text: i was just reading this thread; it was about 8-4 vs 9-4 disqualification; why was history blanked, whats the point? cheers 90.213.9.198 (talk) 02:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Just happened across it, did ya? – 2.O.Boxing 02:58, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amateur Record 9-4 

message: Chayaphol Moonsri's page says he's up to 54-0, but this page still says 53-0. Someone with the authority to edit this page should fix that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.93.71 (talk) 14:08, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Chayaphol Moonsri record update

message: Marciano states his reach as 67 inches in an interview posted on YouTube
It is currently presented here as 68. I can't check the strength of the citation as it is at a subscription based website. Please review. 100.40.182.77 (talk) 07:26, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reach 

message: Please change 179 cm to 178 cm. 
Rocky Marciano's height is incorrect. In all the books dedicated to him the peak height reported is 178 cm, so 5'10 inches.
According to the literature, "Rocky Marciano The King" by Giuliano Orlando, or "Rocky Marciano - The Champion never defeated" by Anthony Valenti and "Rocky Marciano: The Brockton Blockbuster" by John Jarrett and "Unbeaten: Rocky Marciano's Fight for Perfection in a Crooked World" by Mike Stanton the maximum height is always 178 cm. Furthermore, living a few kilometers from his town, some elderly people remember when he came to Ripa Teatina and was no more than 178 cm tall, being generous. In fact, they remember him short and overweight at the time. In the town of Ripa Teatina there is a small museum dedicated to him and in fact a height of 178 cm is reported in his biography. Here some people, as I said before, remember him quite well, very fondly. In addition, Emanuel Steward, a great boxing trainer, was shocked when he met him personally as that the heavyweight champion was a man who was no more than 5'9 to 5'10 inches and was able to knock out 6'4 inches guys and much heavier than him. No way he was 5'11 or 5'10 3/4 or something like that. I'm a big fan of Rocky Marciano. His reach was 67' in according to the literature too.  
Jones27diehard (talk) 01:39, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done The height is listed as 5'10". Terasail[✉️] 13:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rocky's height and reach are incorrect 

message: Should i write this? "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected. The request must be of the form " please change X to Y " 
Please change Rocky's height to 5'10 or 178 cm in metric system. 
I met him in 1967, I was an amateur boxer. What an honor it was for my dad and me to meet him and shake his hand! He was also a very humble man. However the height is wrong on this page, as well as on boxrec. He was about 5'9 tall, like my dad. I'm 5'11.5 and he was way shorter than me. Yes, he was short but very brutal in the ring. I remember fighting Archie Moore, I was 9 or 10 at the time and he was so powerful...Anyway I think 5'10 inches are still exaggerated, but it would be acceptable. 
There are huge boxers now but they're not great. Even then there were big and tall boxers, but I think he would have defeated anyone, maybe even Ali... Who knows. 
My grandson advises me to watch Canelo vs Bivol!
Thank you. 
Oliver.Jones45 (talk) 00:24, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Your personal experience of sizing a man up with your eyes has no relevance here. Sources are in disagreement as to his height, so we list one of the most commonly used measurements accompanied by an explanatory note. It doesn't matter how many people create an account to drop an anecdote about how he wasn't 5'10½. Unless somebody can provide evidence that one measurement is used a lot more than another, I don't see a reason to change it. – 2.O.Boxing 05:37, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  I met him in 1967 and he was really short, but what a Man! 

message: The third paragraph says Marciano "holds the highest knockout-to-win ratio in world heavyweight title fights at 87.8%" and links out to https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Knockout-To-Win_%26_Knockout-To-Beat-Opponent_Percentage_in_World_Heavyweight_Title_Fights#Highest_Knockout-To-Win_Percentage_in_World_Heavyweight_Title_Fights in the citation.
That link says that his ratio is actually 85.71%, so it should be corrected on Wikipedia.
Looks like it got mixed up with his overall career knockout-to-win percentage in the next sentence, which is also listed as 87.8% (this is actually correct).
Sheetssheetssheets (talk) 16:36, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. I have corrected the information. Vyselink (talk) 17:06, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correcting knockout-to-win ratio in top section 

message: Marciano is no longer the only heavyweight champion to have finished his career undefeated, as Tyson Fury did so as well. 
The sentence should be changed to "one of the two heavyweight champions to have finished their career undefeated (the other being Tyson Fury)."
See: https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/479205 Wandadies (talk) 17:20, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Common sense needed. When Fury vacates the WBC title and is still retired by 2024, then we can consider changing it. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 17:26, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  On being the only heavyweight champion to have finished his career undefeated 

message: This post makes a claim that Rocky is the only heavyweight champion to retire undefeated. However Tyson Fury is undefeated and retired. 47.4.89.67 (talk) 01:23, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not up to date are you? https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12040/12723798/tyson-fury-confirms-fight-against-derek-chisora-at-tottenham-hotspur-stadium-on-december-3 . Just to be clear, if he's still fighting, he's not retired. Vyselink (talk) 03:51, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only undefeated? 

message: {{subst:trim|1=
My request is that rocky marciano lost a fight in 1956, his last fight. He said that if he lost a fight he will retire, he said it when he started boxing. Thank you.
: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RealAspects (talk) 14:17, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2022 

message: Edit Request under Legacy
It is noted that RM was knocked down only twice. It currently reads in the last sentence of the first paragraph - "The first occurred in his first title defense against Jersey Joe Walcott.....".  The word defense should be changed to fight.  My source is the you tube film of the first fight between the two when RM was the challenger.  RM was knocked down in the 1st round and went on to win the fight and the championship.  I have also watched the title defense which followed a year later where JJW was KO'd in round one and RM was not knocked down. Jack G Campbell (talk) 18:05, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You will need a far more reliable source than YouTube. See WP:NOYT. Vyselink (talk) 22:00, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:53, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2023