Talk:Hazzan

message: Article says:
:A cantor, more properly known as a hazzan, has no formal role in Jewish law.
And then it says:
:Traditional Jewish law restricts hazzanim to be males over the age of 13; the non-Orthodox Jewish movements allow women over the age of 12 to be hazzans as well.
If the hazzan has no formal role in halakha, how is it that halakha sets requirements to be one? -- SJK
:The hazzan as a formal employee of a synagogue, or the hazzan as a formal profession, has little discussion in the traditional codes of Jewish law. It was usually assumed that the job would be done by lay-people only.  However, the role of the shaliach tzibur (emissary of the congregation, i.e. prayer leader, cantor) does have a detailed formal role in the Jewish codes of law. I guess you can say that the hazzan is a person hired to be a formal shaliach tzibbur.  In the times I have served as a shaliach tzibuur, I did so as a lay person, informally, and the Jewish codes of law guided how I helped lead parts of the service. If I were formnally hired by a synagogue as their cantor, I just have to keep in accord with the same set of laws. There's nothing else to follow now that I would be real hazzan. It would be liker hiring an accountant, or a painter. There's no extra religious rules or significance, and the hazzan has no extra power or authority. He's just like a layperson. In contrast, the rabbi does have a few legal differences with laypeople, in that he or she has the ability and authority to decide questions of Jewish law. RK
::Sorry but this is incorrect. The hazan as a paid professional is mentioned in Shulchan Arukh O.C. 53:6 based on Rambam, and is attested at least as far back a BaHaG. The relevant paragraph should be rewritten. --Redaktor (talk) 12:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Formal role of the cantor

message: What about the issue of non-Jewish cantors? Years ago my synagogue used to employ a very talented Gentile cantor. Would mention of non-Jewish cantors best fit under "Qualifications", "Complaints against hazzanim", or "Cantors as a profession"? I realize this is a complicated Reform/Conservative/Orthdox issue. Thoughts? Submissions?--Kibbitzer 04:10, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know it is forbidden in Jewish law. Jayjg (talk) 04:12, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

text: The hazzan must be Jewish for the service to be valid. This point could go under "qualifications," along with a note that some Jewish branches (notably the left wing of the Reform movement) have relaxed this rule. Flourdustedhazzn 21:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree, Flourdustedhazzn, as that was my Reform experience (but definitely not part of my later Conservative experience). So rather than the "left wing of the Reform movement", I wonder if it's more that the Reform movement considers cantors primarily (professional) singers, and not clergy.--Kibbitzer 17:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-Jewish Cantors

message: A very strong non-NPOV sentiment pervades this entire section. Suggestions for revision? Flourdustedhazzn 08:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Complaints Against Hazzanim

message: Chazzan seems to be the most popular spelling on Google. At first it seemed like Chazan would win, but many of those results are last names of people. I propose a move to Chazzan. --DLandTALK 18:00, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I take that back. Hazzan wins on Google. --DLandTALK 03:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The dictionary vowelization of the word is חַזָּן - with a dagesh. Therefore the 'z' is doubled (Ḥazzan). Contributor613 (talk) 21:12, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: under Professional status it says that The role of hazzanim as a respected full-time profession has become a reality in recent centuries. In the last two centuries etc. I think that it would be better if the specific centuries are named. Though I'm not sure if this warrents a change. If anyone agrees with me then please change it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.67.218.233 (talk) 13:18, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing history 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 4 external links on Hazzan. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110713142907/http://www.kenesethisrael.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29&Itemid=43 to http://www.kenesethisrael.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29&Itemid=43
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120306064843/http://www.tikkunvor.org/Events/index.cfm?id=1392 to http://www.tikkunvor.org/Events/index.cfm?id=1392
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20160512020657/http://www.jmwc.org/Women/womend.html to http://www.jmwc.org/Women/womend.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130601074715/http://huc.edu/alumni/statistics.shtml to http://huc.edu/alumni/statistics.shtml
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 16:43, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Hazzan. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130320041940/http://ajrca.org/alumni/cantor-tannoz-bahremand-forunzanfar/ to http://ajrca.org/alumni/cantor-tannoz-bahremand-forunzanfar/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 00:10, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified