Talk:Tió de Nadal

message: I'm not completely sure of my translation from Catalan here, although I was helped by having some familiarity with the tradition in question. It would be greatly appreciated if someone with better Catalan would have a pass at this. I've left two phrases untranslated for the simple reason that I was very unsure of what they mean. These are marked in red in the text. If anyone can translate them, even roughly please do so! 
I realize that some of this may seem very vulgar and scatalogical. All I can say is, yes, it is, a lot of Catalan traditions (and, in fact, several other Catalan Christmas traditions) are vulgar and scatalogical. Take it or leave it. Similarly, I've chosen to try to stick pretty closely to the tone of the Catalan-language article: "caga" has about the same level of obscenity as "shit", and (unless I am mistaken; I'm less sure of this one) "pixa" has about the same level of obscenity as "piss." -- Jmabel 08:54, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I'm Catalan. Usually (in other uses) these words ("cagar", and "pixar")  can seem litle scatological, but in these traditional situations no. Think that this is a tradition for the litle children. Llull 15:51, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, they are still scatalogical, just acceptably so! -- Jmabel 19:07, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: :I am inclined to believe this is a hoax, especially considering the resemblance to Mr. Hanky out of South Park.  Hmm. Morwen 11:16, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
::Well, maybe the South Park creators had been to Barcelona in December. That's how I originally learned about this stuff. -- Jmabel 19:07, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, that what is a sort of cake? -- Jmabel 19:07, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

text: It's not a hoax nor a cake; it's a real catalan tradition. Right now I have no time to edit the article, but it's ok. Here you can read a little more about this tradition (in catalan). And if you think this is scatological, look for the caganer. Again this is no fake nor hoax nor a cake XD -- 1984 12:22, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the backup, 1984. Yes, I plan to do an article on caganer, if no one from Catalunya beats me to it. -- Jmabel 19:07, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

text: We are an American family that has hosted students from Catalonia for years. Yes indeed, Tió is a legitimate Christmas log that "poops" out presents.  They don't just poo little stuff though, I know of one Tió that pooped out a Playstation. I also have an English translation of a traditional Tió song if anyone is interested. - Epousesquecido (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this a Hoax?

message: I've seen the article and it's really correct. The 'tio' and the 'caganer' were ancient traditions here, some people says from the celtics and ibers. Its a pity, but, that only this escatological traditions were allowed by Franco and others opressors of Catalan's culture, surely knowing the negative factor that can it be. Its a pity that in nowadays in Spanish televisions only speak about Catalan's traditions when time of 'Caganers' or 'Caga tio', and not when time of 'Castellers' (human castles), 'correfocs' (a race of men and devils, with fire and dragons, more ancient than christianism), Sant Joan (when all towns have fires and party on the beach or in the middle of the town), etc... It's only another attempt to eliminate catalan culture. Well, here in Catalonia we know were is the war. If anybody want to see more catalonian tradition (and women, the most beautiful, of course) come here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.3.221.180 (talk • contribs) 7 October 2006.
: I presume that by "escatological" you mean "scatological", not "eschatological"! For whatever it is worth, we have articles on correfocs and castellers. I don't know if we have anything on the Sant Joan traditions; we should. 
: Having visited Catalonia at least half a dozen times over the last 20+ years, I would say that Catalan traditions are no more beleaguered than any others in Europe. Franco's been dead a long time and the doctors say he'll probably stay that way. The Generalitat gives about as much subsidy to both high culture and popular culture as anywhere else I can think of. - Jmabel | Talk 05:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, don't use this modern deformation "Caga Tió". Deaj! Is the image that you uploaded free. Llull 10:02, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Catalan vouches for the article

message: The very comprehensive set of lyrics of related songs recently anonymously added probably does not raise copyright issues: this is genuine folk material. However, I doubt that all this was someone's personal knowledge. There should be a citable source. Also, I don't think this is really wikipedia material. Maybe WikiSource? Does anyone know what we've done with other similar material (non-copyrighted songs that are not of an importance comparable to, say, a national anthem)? -- Jmabel | Talk 22:21, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
:Wikisource, pure and simple regardless what was done before. It is not, like, 1-2 examples to the point. Mikkalai 05:54, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the song should be left in the article, I have seen it in many Wikipedia articles from another languages and I cannot see a reason why shouldn't be in the English Wikipedia. Kors2019 2:16, 5 Jun 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related songs 

message: I really don't see the need to state that it's unrelated to the Spanish "tío". It's not really a surprising fact. I'm sure that "tio" probably means things in other languages too, but there's no need to state that the two words are unrelated.
83.34.172.145 (talk) 18:04, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because Spanish is also spoken in Catalonia, you know, so for clarification. Kingsif (talk) 22:08, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relation to "tío" 

message: Translating "caga" into "shit" in the English translation of the Caga tió song is wrong. It carries vulgar and offensive connotations more suited to adult themes, out of place in a children's song. A more appropriate verb would be poop or poo. 67.249.136.80 (talk) 07:37, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not wrong, though, because that is how it translates, even if not exact ("shit" is even closer than a literal "defecate", of course). "Poop" would be "caca", and it's more of a wrong translation (as I see has been discussed above) because the sense that "poop" gives is like adults making a juvenile joke, rather than what kids would actually say. Finally, "shit" isn't a particularly offensive or vulgar word, certainly not "adult themes"... even as a child, it would be more shocking to hear it just for hearing it than for any implications. Kingsif (talk) 21:59, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  shit vs. poop