Talk:Animal welfare

message: DrChrissy added Marian Dawkins' link back into the article again. She also move Yew-Kwang Ng's approach into the same category (feeling). I opposed to this kinds of editing.Reasons can be found  here, here and here 124.170.213.246 (talk) 21:17, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feeling subection  

message: I have semi-protected the article for a month and rev/del'd 2 edit summaries. If there's more IP disruption here (the personal attacks) let me know please. Dougweller (talk) 09:51, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: 'Since 1822, when British MP Richard Martin brought the "Cruel Treatment of Cattle Act 1822" through Parliament'. Martin was not British: he was Irish.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.185.58 (talk) 12:44, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems odd that Richard Martin who introduced an act into parliament in 1822 is a member of the wikipedia community today - however - make the edit and give it robust sources.__DrChrissy (talk) 23:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: here is the source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Martin_(Irish_politician)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.202.11.93 (talk) 10:48, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
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message: All the edits that were made were, I feel, warranted. I will deal will each in turn:
1. "Respect" rather than "concern": Obviously, violence towards animals can itself show "concern" for their welfare". Ernest Hemingway in Death in the Afternoon says that the death of a horse in a bullfight is not moving because it is comic. He is blind to his own self-contradiction in this regard! How can it be "not moving" if it is "comic"? What Hemingway  (and all other animal abusers) really have against their opponents is not that they love animals too much but that they refuse to hate them.
2. "The most widely held position in the Western World is a mid-way utilitarian point-of-view; the position that it is morally acceptable for humans to use non-human animals, provided that adverse effects on animal welfare are minimized as much as possible" (deleted): This is not really the case, rightly or wrongly. Slaughtering animals for meat (like the killing of the fatted calf in the Bible story) often does not involve any higher good than mere convenience. Moreover, practices like whipping horses during a race involve pain for entertainment (though not, I would contend, pain AS entertainment, as in bullfighting, itself defended by many in Spain and France and others elsewhere in the Western world). Ultimately, this issue comes down to specific views on specific issues, though it certainly helps to have the right principles.
3. "Animal welfare was a concern of some ancient civilizations but began to take a larger place in Western public policy in 19th-century Great Britain. In the 21st century, it is a significant focus of interest in science, ethics, and animal welfare organizations." (deleted by me): Again, this is not really the case, rightly or wrongly. Christian societies in the past did not really distinguish themselves in cruelty to animals from Hindu and Buddhist societies. Westerns had bullfighting and bear-baiting; even today there is cockfighting to the death in Hindu Bali and Buddhist Vietnam. 
Moreover, in terms of suffering, there is MORE, not LESS, cruelty to animals in the Western world today. There were no factory farms in medieval Europe. I have heard it argued that medievals would torture animals thus if they knew it were economically viable. This is impossible to prove or disprove, but it is irrelevant. The facts remain as they are; modern Westerns perpetrate more animal abuse than their more religious ancestors.
Finally, I may note what I have said above, animal abuse itself shows concern for the welfare of animals. People who support factory farming and vivisection DO care about animals, they care about them as mere commodities (mere sources of food or mere tools) instead of as living creatures with intrinsic value and thus hate them no less than bullfighting enthusiasts.
4. "the welfare approach has had human morality and humane behaviour as its central concerns" (replaced by me): This is a distinction without a difference. Everyone, however he believes humans should treat animals, has "human morality and humane behaviour" as his central concern by definition. PETA does not spend much time preventing lions from eating deer! Perhaps the indirect duty theory of Aquinas and Kant has practical applications, but that is here irrelevant. 
5. (replaced Descartes with Augustine of Hippo as an opponent): Here is Descartes on this issue: "[My] view is not so much cruel to beasts but respectful to human beings".
https://philosophynow.org/issues/108/Descartes_versus_Cudworth_On_The_Moral_Worth_of_Animals
Thus he recognized duties to animals in principle!
Augustine of Hippo did not.
In conclusion, my edits were not vandalism, and in my opinion were appropriate. 
I welcome any response from anyone on this matter.
-70.190.102.49 (talk) 18:47, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits warranted

message: I believe this article would benefit from a section about the various types of consumer products (dairy, eggs, meat...) that are produced under animal welfare standards, and the certifications that exist to distinguish them in the markets. --Savig (talk) 22:10, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find notable and verifiable information about these certifications (what they say they guarantee, what they've been shown to guarantee, who funds them, etc), feel free to add a section on them. I think that would be really interesting. RockingGeo (talk) 20:41, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal welfare certifications and products 

message: Some adopters want (a) targeted adoptions (type of animals, species of animal, characteristics of animal, need of animal (e.g. rescue), etc. and (b) well-developed decisionmaking tools about (consumer, marketplace) decisions (they have pending, or which they are considering). 
For instance, November is "National Adopt A Senior Pet Month!"Spread The Word: November Is National Adopt A Senior Pet Month! DogTime. Accessed 11/09/2021National Adopt A Senior Pet Month – November 2021. U.S. National Today. Accessed 11/09/2021Marcus A. November is National Adopt a Senior Pet Month! Angela's Thoughts. Get Your Pet. Accessed 11/09/2021Deisler D. Guest column: November is 'Adopt a Senior Pet' month. Jacksonville.com. The Florida Times-Union. 11/05/2021.  Accessed 11/09/2021Roedder H. November is National Adopt a Senior Pet Month. Wyoming News Now. Nov. 3, 2021 at 6:26 PM EDT.  Accessed 11/09/2021November is National Adopt a Senior Pet Month. Shallowford Animal Hospital.  Accessed 11/09/2021Adopting Senior Pets. PetFinder.com.  Accessed 11/09/2021abc15.com staff. FREE senior pet adoptions during November at Arizona Humane Society. Phoenix Metro News. Nov 09, 2021. 5:04 AM, and last updated 9:55 AM, Nov 09, 2021.  Accessed 11/09/2021Bonham J. Adopt a Senior Pet Month, is here! Nov 7, 2021 3:24 PM EST.  Accessed 11/09/2021 (for which there is no article, nor a mention in the November article, nor even an article about senior pets, as there are not articles about short-haired hypoallergenic animals (often dogs, as Bo Obama, adopted by the First Family in 2010?). Can a brief section be developed for 'targeted adoptions' (whatever editors decide that section and topic should be labeled)?? For instance, when one chooses a cat over a dog because they don't need to be walked during the day, or a dog over a cat because they show more affection, or a caged bird over a free-roaming animal because they are more management, many issues emerge (and more are hidden): what about the 'rights' of the caged animal or the housed animal (and are those 'inherent rights' acknowledged and served (e.g. dog walking, letting out the dogs for a run and a poop, etc.) - or why any kind of animal (for 'company'?). Perhaps the WikiProject Pets should be better developed. MaynardClark (talk) 19:49, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Targeted adoptions 

message: — Assignment last updated by Blainethesquirrel (talk) 03:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Advanced Writing Science

message: Why no mention of Buddhism or Ashoka in the section on history? 98.36.53.71 (talk) 23:57, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: . Thanks. Rasnaboy (talk) 13:42, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like more early welfare-related events happened in that period. Trying to find reliable sources.  Thanks. Rasnaboy (talk) 13:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buddhism 

message: Disus on animal welfare violation and ethical consediretion regarding animal expermention principle 196.190.61.229 (talk) 20:25, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal ethics 

message: The areas of wild as well as animals used for human consumption or as livestock seems to be a bit lacking. I will work on finding additional resources for these areas and edit accordingly.  KJSMSU07 (talk) 14:28, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wild and Farmed Animal Welfare 

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Senior Seminar