Talk:One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church

message: Here's a thought.  This whole article might be better off under the title "Catholic".  Mind you, the number of pages that link there when the mean "Catholicism" is kind of scary. However, I think we could also do with seperate articles on Catholicism and Roman Catholicism. Bagpuss 17:06 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
I don't think that is the best solution, because this phrase is used also by the various protestant churches, but is interpreted differently. They might not appreciate being linked in to a Catholic page in the event of a merger. ÉÍREman 20:16 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
But isn't catholic the word under discussion? Bagpuss
: speaking only for myself, of course, this Protestant has no problem with this topic being merged into Catholic, or parcelled out to Apostolic and Church as may be fitting.  Mkmcconn 20:35 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
: Mkmconn, I was meaning to ask what you thought of this article. ;-) All six words are under discussion, otherwise it would have been put in Catholic to begin with. ;-) If it needs to be a subtopic in another article, I think I would suggest Church, since that's the noun in this phrase. But I don't really care that much. Wesley 20:53 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
::My position is relatively simple.  There ought to be a single article that is entirely about the ecclesiastical organisation headed by the Pope.  There also ought to be a general article about "Catholicism" that discusses Protestant, Anglo-Catholic, Orthodox, and Roman opinions on what the word means.  The article on the Pope's denomination needs to identify itself as Roman, even if it discusses groups that do not follow a Roman Rite but who still claim the Pope as their head, since the Pope's claims to pre-eminence stem from his being the bishop of Rome, plus hte notion that Rome is entitled to rulership over the whole world.  Any attempt to obscure the Roman-ness of the Papacy or of the Papacy's claim to universal authority is inherently NPOV; since it assumes the universal dominion of Rome qua Rome.  --- Smerdis of Tlön 08:05, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  This makes sense to me. Wesley 16:02, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: The majority of other Protestants interpret "catholic" in the sense of "for all people", possibly adding "according to the whole", to some extent. In their interpretation, Catholic is not a reference to anything that could be construed as institutional unity.
The sentence seems to be at least mostly accurate, as well as highly relevant. Any reason why it should be removed? Wesley 15:59, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Catholic vs. Roman Catholic

message: I can't see that many, save some on the fringe, would seriously contend with the definition that apostolicity includes both the Church's descent from the apostles and the apostolic succession of bishops.  The failure of other denominations to take this definition in its fulness has scuppered reunion dialogues in the past - see Chicago-Lambeth Quadrilateral. Fishhead64 02:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anglicans

message: I have set up a survey on the new graphic at the Schism talk page; I didn't then realize it was being used on other pages. It is probably sensible to centalize discussion - the Survey is here  Johnbod 03:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Graphic - Survey 

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