Talk:Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva/Archive 1

message: This article consistently uses "Luís". However, on the website of the Brazilian presidency (here) he is consistently referred to as "Luiz". Could one of our Brazilians/Lusophones explain or clarify that for us, please? –Hajor 00:44, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luís or Luiz 

message: Veja, the leading weekly Brazilian news magazine (with a circulation of more than 1,200,000) made a story about wikipedia, questioning the accuracy of its content. They claim to have made a "test", where they edited Lula's birth place, from "Lula was born (...)in an small city in the Brazilian state of Pernambuco", to "Lula was born in an industrial city in the state of Pernambuco", which was false. They wrote that the false version lasted 2 days without any revisions (the journalist states he had to correct the article himself).
Expect some low-IQ Brazilians to try to emulate Veja's experience in the next days / weeks. 
Last time, I had to correct it from "Alagoas" to its previous (and true) birthplace, "Pernambuco".
--(not signed)
:I propose you lock this page until Veja story can be forget. --Osias 17:03, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I think that we must watch the article to see if there will be really that kind of vandalism. As I see, the readers of Veja are slightly smarter than the journalist. By watching the article (not blocking), we could also prove that Veja was wrong. Marcelo R. 03:44, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expected vandalism: Veja case 

message: First of all, my name is José San Martin, brazilian, and I would like to remark some relevant things:
#This article has just passed by a npov-isation, made by two people, me, pro Lula, and Mateusc, against Lula (I think), and I thought it was all right.
#I'm pro Lula, as I have already said.
#I ask you: don't do anything before some discussion.
#Articles mustn't be against its matter, that would not be NPOV. We must be diplomatic.
#This article have just sufferd vandalism against Lula.
#Even you know that Lula has a considerable popularity in Brazil. Not all the people in our county thinks like you.
I think this article was written with considerable left-leaning and pro-government bias. - Left-leaning bias? What on earth do you mean?
It clearly suggests that the government's social programs are effective, which is completely open to debate.  - No, it doesn't. It doesn't say anything about the efficency of them, it just says what is their purpose. Some critics say that hunger is not a real problem in Brazil. - I've inserted this phrase in the article, se isso te deixa mais feliz.
I am a student of Economics and think they are a terrible misuse of resources, as do most people I've met in the field.  - Sinceramente, você já encontrou alguém agraciado pelo programa falando mal? Ah, esquece.
Furthermore there is little to no criticisms of Lula in the article;  - What do you want, really? Your anti-lula point of view? I note that in Fernando Henrique Cardoso's article, there almost no criticism, and I do not want to write it there, because it is an encyclopaedia, not a forum on politcs. As encyclopaedians, we must to be kindful and diplomatic to every one.
I can't see why it shouldn't be mentioned that many of the reforms he aproved were loudly opposed by himself just a few years ago. I can't see why it should.
I would also mention some of his authoritarian tendencies, or at least mention that some criticise him for supposed authoritarian tendencies. - Vai encher o saco de outro, vai... Papo de tucano derrotado na eleição, não é?
Regarding starvation in Brazil, the study made by IBGE is conclusive. Statistically speaking, it does not exist in Brazil. Of course there are some people who are starving, but they are nothing close to the bloated numbers that Lula mentioned during his campaign. Isolated cases of starvation can be found even in Western Europe.  Obesity is by far a larger problem, as are low quality diets. - So, let them starve and die, hungry! They are nothing but number after the comma in your statistics. It is a anti-human and technocratic statemant. You know, that it exists, just walk along the city-centre, not far from your university.
All said, I do not plan on editing the article or whatever, overall it's quite informative. I'm just respectfully giving some ideas to improve it, or rather offering a different perpesctive. Regards.
Até mais ver.
So, no more NPOV problems, is there?
User:Sanmartin
(ps: some paragraphs I have written in Portuguese are things that aren't nor important neither interesting for the foreign people. Don't worry about it. There's no offence to anyone)
Sanmartin is lying. There is definitely offence in one of the remarks he made to the other user ("Vai encher o saco de outro, vai..."). This kind of partisan behaviour is disgraceful. 201.81.183.136 12:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, long time ago. I'm sorry Check my history, I'm not doing this anymore for a long while. Por favor, releve José San Martin 22:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Answer for Luiz Paulo - NPOV, another time 

message: I think that is necessary add to the article something about this...respecting the Wikipedia imparciality of course!!!!
There's an article on it, Brazilian vote-for-cash scandal. I think a mention like "Lula basis and government was affected by a crisis in the end of 2005 and the effects of it remains unclear." I don't know where to place it, however. José San Martin 13:48, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
I removed the edits by 200.244.149.212 on this issue due to NPOV issues and anonymous edit status. --Dali-Llama 03:34, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why nobody writes nothing about Brazilian Political Crisis?(Vote for Cash Scandal) 

message: Guys, "eroded" is less serious than you're thinking. Erosion in English (at least here in the US) has the meaning of a slow weathering or abrasion. I would say that "dropped" is worse than "eroded". His numbers didn't drop dramatically from one day to the next--they slowly "eroded" to where they are. They can go back up again, absolutely, but we'll cross that river when we get to it. Certainly a trivial issue which does not warrant a revert feud--and most definitely one which barely affects NPOV. For the record, I'm fine with either one--as I've mentioned, I think eroded is the appropriate word, even if I find "dropped" being the more grave of the two.--Dali-Llama 06:34, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I accept both. End of discussion? José San Martin 22:45, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Approval Numbers 

message: Why don't we make a selection of some of ridiculous quotes from Lula ? We could really give an idea to the world about who is this president - believe me ...George W Bush is aN Einstein compared with the guy..
200.160.107.168 02:45, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Must we put up with this kind of people? Ah, bah! José San Martin 02:51, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Please, let's not start BlahBlahBlah and you-think-you-are-superior-than-me stuff. The other people don't deserve that. Whatever! There is no list of stupid quotations in George Bush's article. What wikipedia has is a link to Wikiquotes and there, there is a section of "bushisms". In this article, there is also a link to Lula's Wikiquote, which is already sufficient stupid. More discussions, please, go to Lula's article in Wikiquote, which deserves some improvements (and it includes including what you call his stupid quotes). And sorry if sometimes I become a little impatient; if you are against Lula, why can't I be pro? José San Martin 14:58, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: I've erased this part of the text. It's unbelievingly partial:
"Despite that, he let his government and party get involved in the greatest scandal of collective corruption in the history of the country, involving millions of dollars in tax evasion, embezzlemnt, foreign currency drain, etc. He continues to deny responsibility - a typical trait of Brazilian politicians - trying to make the population believe he was not aware of the crimes activities performed under the orders of his closest subordinates :José Dirceu, José Genuíno, Delúbio Soares, among others, all of them sponsored by the corruption scheme organized by publicist Marcos Valério ("Valerioduto"). He is currently trying to obtain funds to distribute vouchers for the poorest and humblest population, in a direct attempt to populistically manipulate the elections and ensure his re-election. The latest scandal of his government involves the use of the state to protect corruption from one of his ministers and using the federal police, one of the country's official banks and all effort from the Ministry of Justice to transform an accusation witness into a defendant, and not to allow investigations about Lula´s closest allies, such as businessman Paulo Okamoto, who was gifted by the very Lula the presidency of SEBRAE. Lula is the biggest disappointment and greatest frustration the Brazilian population has ever lived." 200.139.176.122 23:16, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, this guy keeps including it. And we have to keep reverting. Bah. José San Martin 02:30, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV, please! 

message: The article states that Lula is the first socialist president of Brazil since João Goulart. I think it would be more apropriate to say left-of-the-center rather than socialist, since Goulart was pro-labour, but also an important land owner and his proposed reforms were far from revolutionary and Lula has never defined himself as a "leftist". 200.139.140.81 02:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I put "leftist", that is a less specific term, and makes more sense in the phrase. Remember that left-to-center and socialists are also leftists. José San Martin 12:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "First Socialist president"? 

message: Shouldn't the section "Plans for reelection" be under "Political trajetory"? By the way, is there a better name for it? José San Martin 03:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The section "Plans for reelection" 

message: f/y/i: in american english, the word tributary isn't really used to mean "taxed" or "taxation" in the way that "tributario" is used in portuguese.  dunno about British english.  Streamless 18:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're right. 've changed. José San Martin 01:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tributary" 

message: The most recent poll  shows Lula with 47% of vote intentions, Geraldo Alckmin with 21% and Heloísa Helena with 12%. Where is the boundary line between not being a direct adversary and being one? And, since the president has more votes than all the other candidates together, how can one even say he has any true direct adversary? A.Z. 14:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At a glance, my response is: it's a long election, and a lot can happen. But if one is to consider Lula the "left" option in the election, and Alckmin as the "right" option, as elections typically pan out, then one can consider Alckmin his most direct adversary.--Dali-Llama 18:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geraldo Alckmin as "Lula's direct adversary" 

message: He is formely Marxist and now is Neo-Liberal pro-Capitalism. 201.79.47.3 02:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever. What is your point? Do you pretend to change anything is this article? José San Martin 02:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: f/y/i: in american english, the word pretend isn't really used to mean "intend" or "to have the intention of" in the way that "pretender" is used in portuguese. dunno about British english. A.Z. 20:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rupture with the roots 

message: this article needs cleanup immediately, and I suggest anti-vandalism urgently!!!!!!
Anything said about lula Is NOT VANDALISM he is a big mothafucker and deserved to be killed, not stay 4 more years kidding with peoples money, and duplicating his profits ... 
Asshole !
:Ok, that violates our Neutral Point of View policies, then. José San Martin 09:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  severe vandalism!!!!!!!!! 

message: The current contents make no sense! Some idiot wrote lots of bullshit in it. Please fix!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.158.144.204 (talk) 22:59, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Requested page protection for the article and administrator intervention against vandalism. Limongi (talk) 02:25, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs to be flagged and fixed 

message: This article needs a major expansion od some sections and revisions on the other, lets start to work on that.
We need referencs for everything. The setio on the Union career needs a major expansion, the section on the major laws, needs expansion and cleanup. I am going to be working on this article for next few days, but I think the more people helping the better, lets try to get this article to at least a good article status.
Chico 19:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Expansion and Revision 

message: I have just made some major changes to the article, I would appreciate if we were to discuss any problems one may have with any of the changes. Chico 03:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major changes 

message: "Prior to that, however, Lula had already filled various posts in the same union, and it was in that capacity that he traveled to the U.S., during the early 1970s in the middle of the Brazilian military dictatorship, to attend a course in trade unionism sponsored by AFL-CIO and ORIT the regional organization for the ICFTU Dicionario Historico e Biográfico Brasileiro. "
We need the page number, and more information about the source to say this in a Bio.Chico 15:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Badly sourced 

message: I don't see why to mention in the first paragraph that he won elections with x% of the votes... It should be removed, or else it should also mention that both elections had a second turn. -- NIC1138 (talk) 06:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Election results in first paragraph 

message: Please note that my removal of the description "profession: metallurgist" from Lula's infobox does not imply any slight against Lula or any sort of incipient POV struggle. It's simply an error in translation.
Lula has never been a metallurgist in the sense that the word is used in English. I have _twice_ corrected this description in his infobox, and both times noted that it's a false cognate. 
In Portuguese, "metalurgico" is used to describe any worker in heavy manufacturing, and particular in the auto industry (the article notes that Lula was a press operator before getting involved in union activities). In English, metallurgy is a specialized field within engineering, and would require a higher degree.
For Lula's subsequent work as a union organizer, and for similar reasons, I changed "syndicalist" to "trade unionist". Trade union organizer would be preferred, but does not exist in that exact form in the English Wikipedia.
--Ksimons (talk) 01:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occupation and profession 

message: I have a picture of Lula when he was working at the Sao Paulo Unions. Would you guys delete it if I put it up?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.237.32.108 (talk) 22:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Picture 

message: Wouldn't it be more appropriate to replace the "January 2011" end of his term in the data box under his photo with something to the effect of "present"?  He may have been elected to serve until then, but that is still a date in the future, and he may not serve until then.Mal7798 (talk) 05:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Term end in 2011 certain? 

message: currently it says  shouldn't all those "ɐ"s be the same as the "a" in "da" and "i'nasju" ? I don't trust I'm good with pronunciation keys and such, I'm not sure, but whenever I hear people saying his name those "ɐ"s for me sound the same as the "a"s --TiagoTiago (talk) 16:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  is the pronounce correct? 

message: Da Silva criticised Archbishop José Cardoso Sobrinho's decision to excommunicate the mother and doctors of a nine year old girlBBCNews article --- Lula 'rues' Church abortion move, who had had an abortion when she conceived twins after alleged abuse by her stepfather, despite Brazilian doctors at the hospital said they had to take account of the welfare of the girl, and that she was so small that her uterus did not have the ability to contain one child let alone two BBCNews article --- Rape row sparks excommunications. The girl herself was not excommunicated, due to her age, and nor was the alleged abuser. Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, in his role as President of the Pontifical Commission for Latin America, lent his support to the Archbishop. Yahoo news article on Brazilian abortion case.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.12.73.110 (talk) 12:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lula vs Archbishop José Cardoso Sobrinho 

message: "Unfortunately this is only government publicity. Most of the money in reality was spent criminally on criminal projects in the slums. In Brazilian slums the land is stolen, generaly national forest land - Mata Atlantica, with the trees being illegaly cut. Then homes are constructed without permits, full of building code violations and are never inspected. Once these criminals move in, they do not pay property taxes, steal electricity, telefone service, water and cable TV. Then they polute the environment, dumping untreated sewage and letting it run off into the ocean, creating a health hazzard for all beach goers. They do not pay for garbage collection, instead creat illegal dumps on national forest land. As you can clearly see these are all criminal activities, which makes them criminals. Then this corrupt president insist in doing social programs for these criminals, which is nothing more than vote buying in disguise. Regardless, association with criminals is a crime just like in the US. Therefore, Lula by implementing any program in the slums is associating with criminals and is therefore comiting a crime. Additionally, he knows perfectly well about all these crimes being commited by these criminals, but refuses to enforce Brazilian laws. This makes him a criminal also.
Additionaly Lula is a thief and or corupt. When he registered to run for president it was revealed on his income tax filing that he had personal property worth 1 million. This he suposedly gained from a career as an auto worker and a union boss. Even though this wealth accumulation is well beyond the means of a Brazilian auto worker, no one was able to prove that the money was obtained illegaly. However, just ask yourself, if it was possible for Lula to accumulate this wealth as an auto worker, why aren't all Brazilian auto workers millionares?"
I'm going to delete that. Hope no one minds. Josh (talk) 05:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major NPOV violations 

message: "There is much speculation in Brazil that, following the example of his friend Hugo Chávez of Venezuela, Lula will in the near future attempt to extend his time in office by having the national congress change the constitutional presidential term-limit provision. Lula was vocal in his public support of the extension of Chávez' mandate prior to Venezuelans voting on that measure."
About the third term, it is not just speculation, it's outright fabrication, nobody in Brazil takes this seriously.
As for his "public support of the extension of Chávez' mandate" , i think is exagerated and isn't apropriate right in the introduction.
I'm deleting it.189.35.192.106 (talk) 01:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation 

message: "Lula appears to assume that his thoughts are of interest to everyone. While this works in Brazil, it can sometimes be embarrassing when he speaks out on his trips abroad"
I'm deleting it for obvious reasons189.35.192.106 (talk) 02:24, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Appears to assume"? 

message: The section "speaking ability" doesn't have any sources and frankly, I think somebody made up all these quotations to screw the article.I'm deleting it.189.7.6.210 (talk) 00:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speaking ability 

message: Lula is an embarrassement for many informed and educated Brazilians and a fiasco for the improvement of the poor people conditions. His government has been one of the most conservative in our post-dictatorial times. Close to nothing has been done in the very undeveloped areas of education, health care, infrastructure (roads, sanitation, water supply, etc). HIs followers are fanatical and very aggressive and intimidation to journalists and bloggers has been constant.
˜˜˜˜ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ereignispunkt (talk • contribs) 21:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keeping the oligarchies happy and the people fooled 

message: These sites: [Lula 1] and [Lula 2] have a Lula's interview, in 1989.Agre22 (talk) 14:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lula in Brazilian TV,1989 

message: This site: [Miriam Cordeiro] has an interview of Miriam Cordeiro, in 1989.Agre22 (talk) 14:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miriam Cordeiro's video 

message: I have included Lula's alma mater, after I read the term applies sometimes to secondary-level education in American English. Does anyone oppose this? Missionary (talk) 07:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alma mater 

message: Added a paragraph beneath Controversies citing the blame he put on "White and Blue Eyed" people for the international crisis.  Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5983430.ece --Kibbled bits (talk) 18:19, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blaming Financial Crisis on White and Blue Eyed 

message: this is pure propaganda. How about we list his campaign promises and what he has delivered? And how about we mention all government scandals? Have we forgot about Mensalao (buying all the senate), about the corporate credit cards being abused, about the 1000 secret acts of the senate and the following procesution that got archived due to lula's agreements with senate president and J. Sarney? This is only to name a few.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.4.203.85 (talk) 04:44, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is not neutral 

message: Lula was born "Luiz Inácio da Silva". Lula is a nickname. Shouldn't the artcle's title be "Luiz Inácio da Silva"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.73.32.3 (talk) 22:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No. He officially added "Lula" (his nickname and how he was nationally known) to his name in 1982 (Brasil: um país onde a adoção de apelido tem um privilégio legal inexistente ao prenome). Limongi (talk) 02:34, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Please add to the article, in personal life:
.
"Lula and Miriam Cordeiro had a daughter, Lurian, out of wedlock in 1974."  []
Hi. The current version of this article hides the fact Lula and Miriam Cordeiro had Lurian Cordeiro in 1974; Lula had an affair with Miriam while dating Marisa. Miriam accused Lula of forcing her to abort and was a major player in the 1989 election, as the fact was exploited by Collor.
The article also hides the fact that Lula was detained/jailed in 1980 by the government; currently he is in the middle of a controversy due to a former collaborator saying that Lula declared that he tried to sodomize other detainees while in prison. While this fact may be debatable due to BLP rules, the fact that he was detained is relevant.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.100.74.214 (talk) 13:03, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I can only add that one you post references to back up your statement. Please post references here and then put up the edit semi-protected template again. And don't forget to sign your posts with ~~~~. BejinhanTalk  12:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, please post the URL of your references here. BejinhanTalk  04:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

text: This is a very serious source, very far from gossip. It is a "ombudsman" site for media coverage. Looks like the URLs changed though. There is another mention here: http://www.clubenatal.fm/noticias/?id=11080,LULA-JA-ESPERAVA-DEPOIMENTO-DE-EXNAMORADA-SOBRE-ABORTO
and here:
http://veja.abril.com.br/blog/augusto-nunes/tag/miriam-cordeiro/
and here (it is a reprint of the original source though):
http://prof.reporter.sites.uol.com.br/jblurian.htm
and here:
http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/nacional,lurian-filha-de-lula-foi-atendida-no-hospital-sirio-libanes,201085,0.htm
This is public knowledge, not some gossip. He recognized the daughter and the relationship. There is another background story saying that he tried to make the girlfriend abort the gestation, but that does not matter. Looks like some partisan of the president is trying to "erase" the out of wedlock situation out of the bio. You can see that the daughter is on the infobox but has no mother -  I doubt she was found in a cabbage.189.121.0.103 (talk) 22:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lurian/Miriam Cordeiro 

message: Brazilian Portuguese speakers, except for very few million people in the Southern region (and definitely not in the regions where Lula lives or lived, Pernambuco, São Paulo and now Brasília), never pronounce an "l" before a consonant as a [l] consonant, but as [w]. That is one of the main features of Brazilian Portuguese in oppose to European Portuguese. So, the correct IPA transliteration of Lula's name, in what refers to his surname Silva, is ['siʊvɐ], not [ˈsiɫvɐ].201.9.251.43 (talk) 08:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA for Lula's name is incorrect 

message: Brazilian Portuguese speakers, except for very few million people in the Southern region (and definitely not in the regions where Lula lives or lived, Pernambuco, São Paulo and now Brasília), never pronounce an "l" before a consonant as a [l] consonant, but as [w]. That is one of the main features of Brazilian Portuguese in oppose to European Portuguese. So, the correct IPA transliteration of Lula's name, in what refers to his surname Silva, is ['siʊvɐ], not [ˈsiɫvɐ].201.9.251.43 (talk) 08:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed in Brazil the coda /l/ is pronounced by most people as [w], but it is just an allophony, the transcription doesn't say it is [l], but , a kind of "l" that sounds like a [w], as it is pronounced in southern Brazil, some few Brazilians in other states, and most everyone in Portugal, we are not regarding the European Portuguese, but just trying to use a diaphonic transcription, as it is also being done with the English transcritions, but you are free to replace it to [w], or discuss it on Wikipedia talk:IPA for Portuguese.--Luizdl (talk) 01:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA for Lula's name is incorrect 

message: The article has been written in a polemical style. And such style isn't limited to the criticism section alone. For instance, in the Economics section, there appears be a need to counterweigh a positive aspect of his policy with some polemical point - something that will diminish its mertis. An example: after noticing that in his government banks in Brazil have profitted the most vis-à-vis previous administrations, it is then pointed out that this is an objection to Lula's "socialist" credentials. Also, there appears to be a need to present his economic policy as a mere continuation of that of Cardoso - a point denied by Mantega (another figure against which the article adopts a polemical tone) and Delfim Netto. I will edit these things away. Guinsberg (talk) 04:45, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polemical style 

message: How about adding a section regarding criticism of president Lula? Anyone remember the mensalao? Perhaps buying a few senators?? This article is somewhat one sided.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.13.169.205 (talk) 03:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: For your information, he was never directly linked to the Mensalão or any other corruption scandal. Adding it to his biography article would be against Wikipedia BLP, Libel, NPOV, OR rules. You cannot calumniate or defame a person without proof, it is against Wikipedia rules and against the Law (both in the United States (United States defamation law) and Brazil (Brazilian defamation law). Any attempt will be reported. Limongi (talk) 14:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Defamation is any published material that damages the reputation of an individual or an organisation. This covers material on the internet as well as radio and television broadcasts - so even drama and fiction can be defamatory if they damage someone's reputation. You can only publish defamatory material if it comes within one of the recognised legal defences. If it doesn't, the publication will amount to libel and you may have to pay substantial damages. Slander is 'defamation by word of mouth. Internet sites are not exempt from any libel laws. If you are publishing on the internet you are bound by the same libel laws as print publishers. - BBC Action Network Limongi (talk) 14:05, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry but You are wrong and using the law to threaten people and this is serious: . Lula government's scandals are not made up . Defamation is when one accuses other without proof , but the scandals of his governments are true and have been subjected to investigation that proved the involvement of high officials. As to him, as the leader of the party and directly involved in the electoral process , didn't he say " He did not know anything " ? :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.214.27.98 (talk) 00:30, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

text:  There is a misunderstanding here it seems. Mentioning criticisms in a Wiki article is not the same as criticizing. If such criticism have occurred it is highlig relevant to an article on a political figure, as well as any major objections to such criticims. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place for bashing or sanctifying anyone. I support a 'Criticism' section.(Palmrot (talk) 12:49, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism? 

message: After being reverted twice ( ), I decided to explain better here. He wasn't "succeeded" and we can't afirm that he will be succeded by Dilma Roussef. She won the election and is the elected president (ok ). But she didn't took office. It will occur only next year. The box says that Lula was (or will be?) "succeded".  
*Dilma Roussef was elected and is the elected president? Yes 
*Lula was succeeded?  Not yet.
*Lula will be succeded?  Of course... in january 2011.
*Lula will be succeeded by Dilma? It is a lot  but  If she dies tomorrow she will not take office and Lula will be "succeeded" by a guy named Michel Temer.
:So, if we could asure that she won't die before taking office or that anything would happy to stop this process, her name could be inserted aside the word "succeeded".
Unfortunately, we still can't predict the future. It is an original research and unverifiable. That is why it have to be removed.” TeLeS (PT @ L C G) 03:30, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually Dilma is not "the elected president": She is president elect, which is different. She is, nevertheless Lula's successor - He is (it's not a question of was or will be) succeeded by Dilma. As you suggest, in extreme circumstances this could change. But as of now it is true - and we can't predict the future. ;-) Bagunceiro (talk) 09:11, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  - It is contradictory. He is still the president and is not succeeded. For example, Tancredo Neves was elected but never was a president because he died before. The brazilian presidential inauguration occurs only on 1st january and it's when the presidential sucession occurs. You can't ensure that she will take office. So, it is written "succeeded" in that box, but it is about something that still did not happy and even with high chance of becoming real, it is not yet and we can't predict that. There is a ceremony to be followed.” TeLeS (PT @ L C G) 09:39, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Succeeded 

message: After being reverterd for the 2nd time (the last one by user Therequiembellishere), I ask here why can't my change on the infobox that says Lula is the 35th President of Brazil  when he REALLY is the the 35th President of Brazil?  Why can Barack Obama's profile say he is the 44th President of the United States and look organized and Lula's can't?Denisxavier (talk) 12:13, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the above user. Most articles about Heads of Government lists the term number (consecutive time in office served by a single person) right before the office title on the infobox. Please stop erasing this information. Limongi (talk) 16:38, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  35th President of Brazil 

message: The intro says he was born on 6 october, but "early life says" 27 october. Which is it? When was this gentleman born?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.231.226.233 (talk) 23:31, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth 

message: After Lula's departure from office, verb tenses became obsolete, at least in the Foreign Policy section, which I read, that gives a sense of continuity to his government. 
Also important: please stop this siliness of "befriended" with Chávez and Bush. Heads of state are not "friends" of anyone, because countries do not have friendships, they have interests; and besides, those who know Lula personally know that he can't stand Chávez. The point in saying that he "befriended" this or that leader is to link Lula to these people in particular, which is a really big deal in domestic politics in Brazil, since his opposition loves linking him to (locally unpopular) Hugo Chávez; however, it is easy to notice that Lula relates to practically everyone, notwithstanding their position or whether he liked them or not, on a personal basis; so what is the point in highlighting this?
41.226.122.162 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 11:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reediting needed 

message: Shouldn't the name of the article be Lula da Silva, per WP:COMMONNAME?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:34, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: I believe that this particular page isn't impartial in a way that only the good things he did ( not many) are highlighted, the corruption scandals, the absurde spending of public funds and the blind eye he did whem his party was diverting money isn't shown anywhere, a person who sees the article i'll think whe's somehow an example of life....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.5.106.95 (talk) 11:39, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promotion 

message: I have recently nominated this article to appear on the main page at the "In The News" section, because of Lula's recovery from cancer. The discussion takes place at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#Lula da Silva recovers from cancer. Have in mind the criteria detailed at Wikipedia:In the news before supporting or rejecting the nomination. 
In any case, a salute to all Brazilians from Argentina, and I hope you enjoy these news. Your national leaders are an example that all South American countries should admire and follow.Cambalachero (talk) 14:58, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lula recovers from cancer 

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message: The best leader of Brazil recently.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.173 (talk) 19:35, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
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