Talk:Referee (association football)

message: I just don't understand why the English Wikipedia uses the word cautioning instead of Booked or Booking when a football player gets an yellow card. In every  FIFA game when a player gets an yellow card, the comments says that the "player getting booked", not that the "player get cautioning". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.84.45.196 (talk • contribs).
:Because booking is a slang term for the cautioning of a player. Law 12 does not refer to booking: "A player is cautioned and shown the yellow card" for the "cautionable offences." For the more serious offences, "a player, substitute or substituted player is sent off and shown the red card." —C.Fred (talk) 03:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Before introduction of cards, players got cautioning and were booked. From the time with cards, players got/get cautioning by getting a yellow card and they were/are booked. It would be possible to caution and book if there a referee has no cards (maybe in very low leagues). In first it is important that he gets cautioning - and because referee should book this matter (he could forget all the cautionings a.s.o.), the comments says the phrase of "getting booked". --213.225.0.173 (talk) 14:20, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Due to technological progress, it may be that Referees will use apps in a few years?  --213.225.15.186 (talk) 16:34, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cards 

message: On 20th December, user Shell Kinney unwound an edit I made to add an External link.  This was done in good faith and apparently triggered by my check-in comment that I maintain the site (see history).  Based on Shell's user page, she appears to be a self-appointed administrator who in good faith is working to keep the Wikipedia content clean of promotional links to external sites.  Good for her.  But she is nowhere near a domain expert.
On the surface, I can see this viewpoint.  But I beg to differ in this "quick reaction" action.
a) The site added is referred to and used by many referee associations all over the world and the USA
b) It is maintained, like Wiki, for the benefit of the community and by the community
c) The site is a one of a kind resource of links to current and historical rules of soccer, training material, equipment resources and the like
d) The site is monitored and used by many FIFA referees who live and work within miles of me
e) The site does not need anymore traffic nor links, it already ranks number one on the topic in Google, Yahoo and all other search engines.  
f) It is a non-commercial site with no advertising or other links.  Purely information in nature for the profession as we know it.
socref.net is number one and way, way ahead of any links to wikipedia.org when searching in this topic area.  socref.net is popular based on no action of mine other than to provide a site of useful and factual content. The ranking and links to the site have spread by word of mouth with others.  I have never promoted it until maybe today.
So it appears, if I read the references correctly, I need you as other editors and users of this page to independently confirm the above information and deem the link is worthy before it should be added back in (likely by someone other than myself).  Hence this discussion post on the topic as requested.
While on the subject, except for the FIFA link, the other External links are pretty poor and of a far lower quality.  So it goes without saying that suggestions on other links to add should be mentioned here as well.
"Surplus Gadgets"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by SurplusGadgets (talk • contribs) 04:21, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of External Link; relevance 

message: *Socref.net - a link collection of rule books and training materials for referees
This was added today. A quick scan says it's got lots of old versions of laws and may be useful. Has anybody, other than the editor originally adding it, been to the site and think it should be included? —C.Fred (talk) 04:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New external link? 

message: It might be good to add a section on the various signals used by referees. Rpvdk (talk) 14:32, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What "signals used by referees"......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:33, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag, hand and whistle signals 

message: May I lend my weight towards a Match Officials article as it would represent the fact that all qualified assistant referee's are also qualified referee's and vice-versa. Therefore a match official in football is able to take up any of those roles without additional training. If an assistant referee gets injured in a top league, it is the 4th official who takes over who is usually primarily a referee. The quality of that article could easily get it to B class as-well. Thoughts? Geoff (talk) 23:31, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: FIFA's use of the term "match official" includes the match commissioner, the security officer, the referee inspector as well as the referee and assistants. Hack (talk) 04:09, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: 2nd Merger Request

message: The material at Diagonal system of control is related to refereeing of football matches and I feel it can be adequately integrated into the existing page here. C679 15:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree there is no need for separate articles. Camyoung54 (talk) 20:24, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 15:50, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure the info from Diagonal system of control is necessary anywhere. It has one reference and doesn't seem to be a regular topic for third-party media. – PeeJay 16:27, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it is a small article, however the information included in Diagonal system of control could definitely be incorporated into this article as another way to describe the way the referee acts on the field and the importance of the assistant referee. Camyoung54 (talk) 01:33, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from Diagonal system of control 

message: Worth mentioning in the article that refs are frequent targets of match fixing (let alone some of the more flagrant examples like Ibrahim Chaibou) given their ~$350/game pay and the importance of penalty kicks for soccer scores. I'm not sure which of the sources at Dan Tan discuss it directly, but it's in some of them if you don't want to just google around for it. — LlywelynII 09:17, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Dan Tan]]

message: I have removed the section titled "Referee bias". This section was essentially an abstract of a single research paper and had a focus that seemed too specific for this article. Language such as "The authors of the article mentioned above have developed such a causal probabilistic model that considered the important explanatory factors, and was applied to the English Premier League" is far too technical. There perhaps could be a section on "perceived criticism" but it would need to cover more sources than just this. --LukeSurl t c 09:15, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of section 

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replies: text: --LukeSurl t c 16:21, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Watchword, for a very long time in the past until the 1990ies, was "When in doupt decision in favor of defending team" - and from the 1990ies it changed into "in favor of attacking team" (due to law givers intention). But now it is said regarding to Bundesliga, maybe lower leagues too, that Referees row back to the first motto (especially in cases of deciding or not deciding a penalty kick). How do Referees in the UK handle?  --213.225.5.50 (talk) 13:25, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In doupt decision in favor of..." 

message: I'm trying to update the multiple outdated references to one current LOTG reference showing page number of the references in the reference section instead of inline.  I can make it sort of work by using Template:sfn with "last=LOTG" and it sort of works except the reference shows up as "LOTG & 2019-20, p. 64." with a strange & in the middle - implying a second author.  Anyone know what I am doing wrong with this template or know another template I can use.  In the end I'm trying to get all appropriate references to the LOTG to be one reference with multiple page numbers in the reference section and not inline as they would be if I used the Template:r and Template:rp.  Tom94022 (talk) 00:17, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update to current LOTG 

message: At the start of the article, the wording used suggests that the referee is the final authority of what happens on the field. However, in some competitions (notably the Premier League), VAR is really actually the final authority, and the referee implements that decision. Do we think we should add some content around VAR? gj1 (talk) 14:30, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it the referee still makes the decision, VAR is just another assistant Tom94022 (talk) 05:52, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

text: Yes, add the content. 71.208.32.185 (talk) 09:25, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Impact of VAR on Referees

message: Given that uniform is covered by kit in a separate article, should we consider reflecting the language in this article? gj1 (talk) 10:25, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Uniform or Kit

message: I am reverting a recent change to the images for the following reasons:
*For the first image :File:Malang_Diedhiou.jpg is very very good. It shows a referee in full profile (thus showing the whole kit), actively refereeing a game. None of the new images do this.
*:File:John Langenus The football arbitrator a judging first final of the World championships 1930 year.jpg is an informative image to have where discussing the history of the kit.
*In general, the images added in the recent edit seemed not to be of any greater quality than the ones they replaced.
--LukeSurl t c 08:47, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the reversion but suggest we have too many images that are not directly linked to any text.  I suggest removing Faghani and replacing with Albon, her image has nothing to do with the section it is in and the contract of the two images should go well in the Kit and Equipment section.  Thoughts?  Tom94022 (talk) 16:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images