Talk:Mid-engine design

message: This article should be merged with MR layout
Grs1969
Doesn't make sense, since mid-engine can be MR or MF. The features common to both should be elaborated in Mid-engine design.66.77.124.61 16:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto the it doesn't make sense.  The bit about polar moment of inertia isn't right.  AFAIK, the mid-engine design is done 'cause of acceleration and stability-- which is related to center of mass and wheel base (spacing of the wheels, distance between the wheels).  Straight line stability -- last time I checked -- Newton's first law said things go in a straight line... unless there is another force acting on it.  I assume what was meant was... the issue related to breaking and weight shift.  With breaking-- weight shifts to the front and one may get an nasty oversteer (as seen in the first Audi TTs), that in an unexperience driver leads to an accident.  Anyhoo... first good attempt--article needs some work. Nephron  T|C 07:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only straight line stability issue I can think of is that mid-engine cars sometimes have their center of gravity aft of their lateral center of pressure, which can cause issues in heavy crosswinds. I'm not sure if that's what the original author meant, or if it's even worth mentioning in the article, though. DoktorRocket 00:13, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've a hunch it has to do with fuel packaging, too, leading to Cg movement as it burns off. This seems to be what the article implies, & it tallies with what Len Terry's book suggested. (I'm not an engineer, but that was the sense I got.)  Trekphiler 09:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

message: *Support there should be a merge... only question, IMHO, is which way.  I spent some time in the automotive industry and I'm not familiar with "MR" ... so I think merge should go into "Mid-engine design" -- which I think is in accordance with the Wikipedia naming guidelines (WP:Naming) --the name should be simple and recognized by most people. Nephron  T|C 07:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge 

message: Are there any vehicles with this feature? Doesn't seem technically impossible.  What about the Toyota Previa?
: The only one I have personal experience of is the Volvo C303. The engine sits below the wall separating the driver's area from the cargo (or passenger) space. Two lids give you access to the engine from the inside of the car. http://www.real4x4.com/Volvo303.shtml gives some pictures that show the engine placement. // Liftarn
:: ATVs and UTVs use a Mid engine 4 wheel drive layout! I'm surprised that's not mentioned anywhere in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.235.89.121 (talk) 16:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Plenty.  Most of the successful Group B rally cars put the engine behind the crew and drove all four wheels, the notable exception being the Audi Quattro.  And there are numerous sports cars/supercars with this layout. Mr Larrington (talk) 13:30, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Mid Engine 4 wheel drive?

message: Engine in front of the driver is mid-engine? Since when? Trekphiler 08:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mid Engine?

message: many of the cars listed in the FMR list are described as FR platforms on their individual articles such as:
*Chevrolet Corvette
*Dodge Viper
*Mazda RX-7, though not the Mazda RX-8
*Holden Commodore VE
I would think that the two should match
Compgeek86 20:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FMR Model list 

message: The presence of a Holden Commodore in a list of mid-engined cars is, I believe, mildly amusing.  It's obviously not out of the question though, having a short front overhang; do we have a source on this?  124.176.8.153 (talk) 01:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't, the engine is over the front wheels, not behind. https://www.autoinstruct.com.au/manufacturer/holden/ve-commodore/v6-oil-change-llt-lfx-ly7/ Greglocock (talk) 02:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holden Commodore VE 

message: The claim that there are problems cooling the engine of the Porsche 914 does not have any citation.  The article on the Porsche 914 doesn't mention any problems with cooling, either.  I've owned three Porsche 914s, including a 914-6, which clearly requires more cooling than the 4-cylinder models, but I've never encountered any problems with cooling.  Sure, if you're doing competition driving, you want to have a supplemental oil cooler, but that's something you'd want on any air-cooled engine for competitive driving.  For daily use the regular cooling mechanisms are fine on the 914, even in warm and hot climates.  I understand that Wikipedia doesn't use this kind of claim as source material, but I'd like to see a credible source on this alleged issue.
This questionable, uncited claim has been in place for almost a month now.  Unless there is strong opposition, I'm going to either edit or remove it.  -- CLSwiki  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CLSwiki (talk • contribs) 23:16, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable claim of cooling issues on the Porsche 914 

message: An FMR is a type of FR, and is strictly not a type of mid engine design.
An FMR, IS NOT an example of mid engine design.
Remove FMR as an example of mid engine design ?
E.g - http://www.woiweb.com/index.php/FMR_layout
"Technically FMR is a subcategory of FR, since the engine is still in the front of the car,"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BattleCrap (talk • contribs) 12:46, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it is not a mid engine layout. But in the mean time I am removing any examples given where the front of the engine block is not behind the wheel centreline. Greglocock (talk) 02:33, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  FMR being given as an example of a type mid engine design