Talk:2005 Tour de France

message: Above, Penwhale has written:
Do we really need to write out every team's full name after the rider? Couldn't we use the three-letter initial for them?
I prefer to use the shortened form of the team name, rather than the 3 letter abreaviation, but not the extended form.  By this, I mean the format used on the List of teams and cyclists in the 2005 Tour de France.  This is easy to understand, without having to refer elsewhere to decipher the 3 letter code.
An example of this for Stuart O'Grady would be using "Cofidis", not "COF" or "Cofidis, Le Credit Par Telephone" (which appears to include the company slogan, which is not needed).
I'm not to sure about teams like Française Des Jeux, where this is the team's offical name, but is shortened to fdjeux.com in the List of teams and cyclists in the 2005 Tour de France   
--Commander Keane 7 July 2005 11:38 (UTC)
:I can work with that. The longhand is way too long, though. for FDJ... eh. We can work something out (although I think Française Des Jeux is still too long...) --Penwhale | Blast the Penwhale 7 July 2005 13:38 (UTC)
::What about the following short names? They are widely used by media:
-Discovery Channel
-T-Mobile
-CSC
-Illes Balears
-Davitamon
-Rabobank
-Phonak
-Fassa Bortolo
-Saunier Duval
-Liberty Seguros
-Crédit Agricole
-Liquigas
-Cofidis
-Quick Step
-Bouygues Telecom
-Lampre
-Gerolsteiner
-FDJeux.com
-Domina Vacanze
-Euskaltel
-AG2R  unsigned comment by 83.34.231.12
:::I think it's a good idea. --Penwhale | Blast the Penwhale
::::We just cannot link to those names, for instance CSC is different from Team CSC and Liberty Seguros is not Liberty Seguros team. -Fred Bradstadt 06:25, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
:::::Although it is more difficult, you can link from these shortened names.  For example, to link to Team CSC from CSC, you use  CSC.  This will result in the correct link being made: CSC.  However, I'm not sure if shortening "Team CSC" to "CSC" is really worthwhile. --Commander Keane 11:47, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team naming convention 

message: There was a lot of speculation about this in the Danish media (Team CSC is, after all, owned by Riis Cycling a/s = Danish tour-winner Bjarne Riis), and after seeing a lot of replays from the crash, Danish former toprider, now expert on the Danish TV2-transmission, Rolf Sørensen came to the conclusion, that Zabriskie's knee hit the handlebar, because of the chain "jumping out" (don't know the English expression for that), in a gear change. Sørensen could quickly dismiss Zabriskie clipping another rider's wheel, as there was plenty of room to the rider ahead of him. In the beginning, a puncture was considered as well, but after reviewing it, he could - the day after the TTT - conclude, that Zabriskie crashed because of the beforementioned reason. I have changed the TTT-section accordingly. Feel free to comment. /AB-me 8 July 2005 00:22 (UTC)
:In a post-race interview with David Zabriskie, Dave said that his bike hit a hole in the road.  Could this have caused his chain to jump out?  If this was the case it was not a mechanical bike malfunction. --Commander Keane 9 July 2005 12:21 (UTC)
::I haven't seen that interview, but Dave must know best - after all, he rode the damn bike. :) /AB-me 18:21, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zabriskie TTT-crash 

message: How much liaising is occurring between the daily updates at Current sports events and this page? It seems a pity to have two seperate people write two seperate entries every day.
:I  - amazingly - am not playing Tardis Tennis at the moment. 17:49, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: None, and there's at least two people updating Current sports events depending on who gets round to doing it first, as can be seen by different styles of updates from day to day! Personally, I watch the days' highlights on ITV2 before I try to throw an item together... -- Arwel 23:02, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Current sports events]] 

message: Perhaps someone has the time to import some info from the dutch page on this years tour de france? There is a lot of information on it, including details on every individual stage and a complete start list. Dutch page on the Tour de France 2005
: OK, too quick, I see that there are seperate pages here with that info. Still the Dutch one is even more comprehensive.
::Thanks for pointing out the Dutch WP's way of covering the stage overviews, I feel its superior to our current EN version. --Commander Keane 09:13, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: A lot of info on the Dutch WP

message: In the top-right current standings table, now that the 2005 TDF is no longer a current event, shouldn't we remove the top 3 lines (about the 21st stage) and call it "Final standings"? Who won the 21st stage is no more important than who won any of the previous stages. (Ok, it may be a bit premature, just half an hour after the race ended—but when should we do it?) Also, I would like to shorten "Overall standings" to "Overall" or something else that is shorter, thus making the table more compact... -Fred Bradstadt 16:48, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
:Yes we should. --WS 21:13, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing 21st stage info from the standings table 

message: I noticed that in earlier versions of this article there was a "likely contenders" section which later was removed.  I think it's useful and interesting to know who were the favorites for a given year, and this list should not be removed.  I plan to restore it, if there is no objection.  --Serge 02:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Likely contenders section? 

message: I updated the jerseys table with the leaders in team classification and the winners of the combativity award from , the official site of the 2005 Tour de France. It does not give a nice table, so I did not put it as reference in the article, but now it is on the talk page at least. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 15:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for teams+combativity 

message: Didn't Cadel Evans finish 8th in the years' tour?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harleyrules170 (talk • contribs) 11:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cadel Evans 

message: Ullrich's results for the 2005 Tour have been annulled. Currently, the UCI have not taken any action yet to upgrade the 4th place rider (Mancebo) to the third place, and it is not clear if they will ever do so; the third spot could remain vacant. This article should try to be as accurate as possible, so we should wait with upgrading Mancebo to third place until it has officially been done. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 12:19, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I give up. I have already reverted four times, which is one too many I guess. Too bad Wikipedia can not do better than other media. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 08:56, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third place in 2005 Tour 

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