Talk:Volk Han

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message: Well. The time has come. I told you I would come back and I have.
Volk Han was not a mma fighter. He was a professional wrestler. MMANOT should not accept Rings network as a Top tier promotion, but we'll get to that. I'll word my argument as such, and genuinely would like some further authority to reach a verdict on this. 
Volk Han ONLY participated in Rings for one reason, it was worked. There is no other verifiable organizations that Volk Han participated in that would counter this conclusion.
He was always a pro wrestler. I do contend that his style, even during the early days of MMA contributed to its birth and popularity. That being said, none of the pro fights listed on his record are real. Have I seen them? No. But there is no reason I would believe they are real, being that Rings was not an MMA organization until quite some time after and there was a clear delineation between worked events and shoot events.
Volk Han did a few real fights but I don't consider him an MMA fighter. he was more a pro wrestler who did MMA. "https://twitter.com/YiJxsPZGIE">https://twitter.com/YiJxsPZGIE</a>— Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON)https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/811837433679474688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"December 22, 2016
I hope that we can all read between the lines of this tweet.
Here is 2 other matches that we can also reliably assume were works based on Dave Meltzer
For all people who don't know who Volk Han is, look for his matches with Kiyoshi Tamura and Tsuyoshi Kosaka— Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON)https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1147499134540308482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"July 6, 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_318#Sherdog.com 
Jacee215 (talk) 16:30, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Look, I assume you are acting in good faith, but constantly deleting his MMA record on basis that he is a pro wrestler is reductive. Unless the clear census on RINGS's legit/show credentials is established - here in wikipedia - then regrettably, a disclaimer about Volk Han's fights being unverifiable is the best option for time being. Like I jokingly said before, then it raises questions about validity of fights some fighter's fight records - like Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira, Branden Lee Hinkle - for having fought in RINGS (against Volk Han). And I don' think this here is the correct place to discuss RINGS's legitimacy - it has it's own places here in Wikipedia. TrickShotFinn (talk) 07:47, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute: Volk Han as a fighter 

message: I've found a few non-English sources, but I am unable to acquire them physically.
* Russian and Tartar language wikipedia lists the following as Literature: "Магомедов, М. Волк-Хан: борьба продолжается. — М.: МГУК Тип. "Новости", 1998. — 143 с." Does anybody know what this is - sounds like Autobiographical work? I am unable to find this.
* On Amazon JP, I found 格闘技通信　世界初の潜入ルポ　関節技のマジシャン　ヴォルク・ハン　1992年11月23日　no.74 (Kakutōgi tsūshin sekai-hatsu no sen'nyū rupo kansetsu-waza no majishan vu~oruku Han 1992-nen or Martial arts communication World's first infiltration reportage arts magician Volk Han November 23, 1992 no.74 ) (ASIN ‏ : ‎ B0989LPLHN)
* 雑誌Sports Graphic Number 309(1993.2/20号)★特集:格闘者たちよ!/総合格闘技/佐竹雅昭/平直行/ヴォルク・ハン/アンディ・フグ/オランダ★
Anybody have a clue on these? Let me know. -- TrickShotFinn (talk) 16:22, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mysterious sources - can anybody find these?