Talk:Central Military Commission (China)

message: The KMT and ROC also had a Central Military Commission, with the same name and basic structure, set up by the same Soviet advisors. We should either create two level 1 sections or create a disambiguation. --Jiang 13:45, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  There were two 

message: Central Military Commission → Central Military Commission of the People's Republic of China – disambiguation with the one in Vietnam and possibly other communist countries. DHN 04:40, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Please create the dab page now. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 09:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: There was something to that effect mentioned at the end of National Security Council. I've no other information about this, but still thought it was better served here. Alcarillo 17:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization? 

message: I've added some earlier material about the party military committee pre-1949.DOR (HK) (talk) 07:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins

message: I'm surprised we missed mentioning the General Office, now headed by Wang Guangzhong, a member of the CCP DIC. DOR (HK) (talk) 10:10, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure 

message: Remove sentence that Vietnam has a CMC structure.  According to the Vietnam People's Army article, it doesn't. Roadrunner (talk) 07:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It does. --TIAYN (talk) 07:58, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Vietnam 

message: The page was recently moved from Central Military Commission (People's Republic of China) to Central Military Commission (Communist Party of China).  Was this move discussed?  Given that the CMC answers to two masters (state and party), and PRC does not necessarily imply a state-based entity,  the previous title seems more appropriate.  Am I missing something? Homunculus (duihua) 16:37, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A leader's party position is his "real" position. His state position may correspond to his party position, or it may be just an empty title. But the article title is not the place to attempt an explanation of such party-state complexities. A disambiguator is to allow the reader to easily distinguish among Wiki articles with similar titles. So the title of this article should be something like Central Military Commission (China). CMC answers to two masters? More like, the CMC picks the party boss. As for the state, it is never an independent actor in Chinese politics. Kauffner (talk) 07:22, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the article should be at "Central Military Commission (China)", instead. Technically the two CMCs (military and state) are separate, but they are one in the same. Colipon+(Talk) 12:32, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume you mean "Central Military Commission (People's Republic of China)"? Homunculus (duihua) 18:28, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because there is no ambiguity. We only use PRC when there is ambiguity. Colipon+(Talk) 20:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't the KMT had a central military commission, or something with a very similar name?  That may introduce ambiguity.Homunculus (duihua) 20:51, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You're talking about the "National Military Council". Sometimes it is rendered "CMC", but in most contexts there is no ambiguity whatsoever. Reminds me of the Vancouver, BC and Vancouver, Washington debate. Colipon+(Talk) 20:54, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

text: A "(People's Republic of China)" disambiguator would imply that the article is about the state CMC. But the party CMC is the one that counts. It is also a really ugly four-word disambiguator. As a general principle, you don't make the disambiguator longer for no good reason. Kauffner (talk) 01:52, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough,  though we should probably add a note at the top of the page clarifying that it refers to the PRC organization, and directing readers looking for the KMT military council to the appropriate page. Homunculus (duihua) 02:38, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any discussion on page move?  

message: This isn't true
: Under the constitution of the Chinese Communist Party, the CMC is subordinate to the Politburo.
see http://www.china.org.cn/english/congress/229722.htm
Roadrunner (talk) 09:35, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship with Politburo