Talk:Frottage

message: Wait, 'Frottage is normal sexual activity'? By definition? It stops being frottage if it gets weird, then?
--Oolong 13:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Is there any reason why frottage is seperate from outercourse? --Philo  18:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: None but dont delete any of the content rather simply move it over and maintain a redirect: I was lead here from Bonobo and frot and frottage is an important part of Bonobo sexual behaviour (not to mention "pan (formerly "homo") sapiens"). Mattjs 16:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Outercourse is not used in Australia.  Mutual masturbation is.  Why if "Outercourse"" is the main term in US English should all other uses be merged to that one?  WP is US-centric enough without subsuming all other cultural differences into US articles.  Oppose Merge Gillyweed 23:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I found another one: Sumata, a Japanese term.  Joie de Vivre 16:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I Think that's relatively specific - penis to hands, thighs and labia. It's got a link from "see also" in the Frottage article but isn't mentioned under Outercourse or Mutual masturbation.--Simon Speed 21:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I only brought it up because you asked if anyone knew of "any more" -- I took that to mean "any more related or similar terms that could possibly be considered in the merge".  I'm still not sure what to do here.  Joie de Vivre 18:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[Outercourse]]? 

message: It is my understanding that the three terms have slightly different meanings.  My definitions are written from a United States perspective, I'd be interested to hear from Gillyweed and others what the words mean in the UK, Australia, and elsewhere.  In the US...
*Mutual masturbation almost always means "rubbing someone else's unclothed genitals with your hand(s), while they rub yours".  Mutual masturbation usually does not include dry-humping, and it never includes oral sex or genital-genital rubbing.
*Outercourse usually means "getting yourself and someone else off without penetration or exchange of body fluids".  Outercourse can involve rubbing your genitals anywhere on someone else's body, except on their genitals.  Some definitions of outercourse include oral sex, some do not.  Outercourse generally does not include genital-genital rubbing, it would only include it if a barrier method is used.  The word "outercourse" is typically usually used in the context of enjoying sex while avoiding the swapping of bodily fluids, in an attempt to avoid STDs and pregnancy.  See Joycelyn Elders.  
*Frottage is a word that is not used in the US.  From reading the article, frottage seems to include all of the activity of "outercourse", but frottage can also include genital-genital rubbing such as tribadism or frot (words also not used in the US).  
(I'll also throw in the phrase Dry-humping, which incidentally redirects to Frottage): I don't know if this term is used outside the US, but it almost always means rubbing your genitals against someone else's genitals while both people are clothed.
I do support a merge of the three articles, because they are so similar.  Perhaps, as Simon Speed said, we can merge at non-penetrative sex. This one seems to be the least geographically-specific, if only because it's so formal that no one uses it.  However, I think we should include a section for each term, describing each term's specific meaning.  Joie de Vivre 21:17, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found another one: Sumata, a Japanese term.  Joie de Vivre 16:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I Think that's relatively specific - penis to hands, thighs and labia. It's got a link from "see also" in the Frottage article but isn't mentioned under Outercourse or Mutual masturbation.--Simon Speed 21:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I only brought it up because you asked if anyone knew of "any more" -- I took that to mean "any more related or similar terms that could possibly be considered in the merge".  I'm still not sure what to do here.  Joie de Vivre 18:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal