Talk:Green Scare

message: The AP article about Peter's new charges wasn't printed many places (I think it came out on Christmass). It can be read in its entirety on his support site  or if you want log into siouxcityjournal.com they have the same article.  Dumpster 08:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the AP source is fine for reporting his charges, but i can't see anything in it about it being unusual for the states to charge after federal charges. That was what i was querying, though its fine as it is, i think. Rockpocket 09:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Peter Young

message: I'm reverting the criticism of the use of the phrase "violent domestic terrorism" for a few reasons:
* The source you cite does not explicitly call the crimes "violent domestic terrorism". Infact, if you read the sentence carefully, it doesn't even explicitly claim that these specific crimes are classified as violent (though one could infer that). Therefore to add the word yourself infront of the phrase "domestic terrorism", only to shoot it down with statistics is both unfair and misrepresentative.
* The word "violence", by definition, can include direct action against property or inanimate things. Thus not being listed as an official "violent crime" by whatever criteria one might choose, does not preclude is use as an adjective in this case, especially as it is not being used to refer to the crimes we are talking about specifically. Rockpocket 00:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From Eugene Weekly "Of course, the Bush administration has a different definition, but even it's not consistent. The State Department terrorism definition focuses on violence against people, but the very broad FBI definition of domestic terrorism includes any politically motivated crime, including property sabotage. Even protest acts as small as clogging a toilet or graffiti are included in the FBI's lists of domestic terrorism incidents by animal rights and environmental groups.The FBI describes such political property damage as "violent." That contradicts the rules in the FBI's national Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) system. In the UCR, the leading source of U.S. crime statistics, the FBI defines "violent crime" as murder, rape, robbery and assault."
I think that it is important to include the FBI's stance on ELF/ALF but I think that criticism of the FBI's terrorism definition should be included. According to the FBI's definition pacifist Christian groups like Ploughshares are violent terrorist organizations. As far as the State Department definition goes I think violence against non-combatants does not include inanimate object or buildings which are also non-combatants. Dumpster 01:18, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Its not our place, as an encyclopaedia, to criticise anyone or anything. We simply describe what others say or do. Cherrypicking definitions from one agency (which clearly is meant to define crimes against the person) to condemn the reasoning of another (which is talking about politically motivated crimes) is not encyclopaedic. That may be fine for some opinion piece from a local newspaper, but not for stating as fact in Wikipedia. Whether the FBI's definitions are flawed or not, it makes no difference to the fact that they have labelled the ELF as a terrorist group. ELF disagree with that, and we have reported that too. Its not for us to take sides by trying to undermine either POV, especially since the sources being quoted are not explicit in what they say. Rockpocket 01:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Violent domestic terrorism

message: If you're looking for an improvement to make, merge the information into the main article, and cull the subsection, which is too long. -Jemmy Button 00:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Operation Backfire]] main article lacks most content in subsection 

message: We need some references describing his case as part of the 'Scare, especially since his crimes appear to have been committed before the first recorded use of the term. The article refers to the term that "has been used by activists to describe an 2006 sweep of arrests, convictions and grand jury indictments", not any and every activist that has been indicted. Please provide or else the material may be removed. 06:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would def agree that Tre should not be included in this article. Murderbike (talk) 06:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tre Arrow 

message: : I haven't been following this entry at all. But I do recall there being information on Briana Waters, who is in trial at the moment. However, why is this content being wholly deleted in the name of NPOV??? I think people are going way over board with trying to be neutral and are deleting very relevant content in the process, but I don't have the time to sift through it. Acumensch (talk) 11:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category nominated for deletion 

message: Since each of the subjects of this article has his own article, the subsections on them should not simply repeat the text of their articles, instead they should summarize the role of each subject in the Green Scare and have a link----to the main article. Katr67 (talk) 16:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This article needs to be about the Green Scare concept. We should not detail every arrested ELF activist here, because that is suggesting we are endorsing the concept for those individuals. We are in danger of creating an article that is promoting a POV, rather than reporting on it. I'll do some work on this over the weekend and try and re-write it so it remains focused on the concept (compare with the Red Scare). Rockpocket 20:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I note that our uncommunicative friend, Blueberrypie, has instead reversed my suggestion, adding, for example,  templates to subsections of Jeff Luers that direct here. That was not my intention. Katr67 (talk) 22:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Our uncommunicative friend is very close to being blocked for block evasion, and this will not help his case. I'll revert those when I get the chance. Rockpocket 22:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This needs {{tl|main}} templates 

message: This article is just a place for people to push the POV that these cases were prosecuted too harshly, hence the "scare" term. An article on this topic needs a neutral title. This article, like a lot of articles (Copyfraud,Miscarriage of justice) is about a POV position and then lists examples, which means that those examples are being used to take the opinion that those meet the POV stance of the people who use the term.
On top of that, a number of the sources do not meet WP:RS standards. Some geocities page, minor newsletter of pro-environmental terrorism, etc. are not reliable sources for an enyclopedia article. DreamGuy (talk) 16:00, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But this article concerns precisely the term that environmentalists are using to convey their perspective that a couple of prosecutions were too harsh... If we change the tile, it will be about something else. I mean, do we need to change the name of the article Unabomber for President, because someone might see this as having a pro-unabomber POV? That is the very name of the campaign. Maziotis (talk) 13:54, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV problems, etc. 

message: An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:44, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

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