Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive 6

message: Guess what, it's on the issue if UST is the oldest university in the Philippines and in Asia. Can somebody help? --Howard the Duck 23:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Jesuit university's contention is that they are the oldest being founded earlier;  but they kept changing location and name which complicates things. There was only a continuation of administration, faculty and academe.--Jondel 03:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've posted this at WP:RFC. It will be helpful if the comments are posted at UST's talkpage. --Howard the Duck 03:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think San Carlos in Cebu is the oldest educational institution while UST is the oldest university in Asia. It achieved university status first than any other university.. even San Carlos in Cebu... That's my opinion.. peads 01:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Third opinion|Third opinion]] on [[University of Santo Tomas]] - [[Talk:University of Santo Tomas]]  

message: Thanks to Sky Harbor's advice, I went ahead and submitted bug reports to fix the names for three Philippine languages and the developers almost immediately implemented the changes..  The changes are:
*war: was changed from Samar-Leyte Visayan to Winaray (I had requested Waray-Waray, but this is perfectly fine).
*pam: was changed from Pampangan to Kapampangan
*cbk-zam: was changed from Chavacano de Zamboanga to Zamboangueño. This change has not yet taken effect but will soon.
What this means is that the alphabetical order of the names of languages on each article's sidebar is messed up; Kapampangan will show up in the P's for instance. So change them accordingly whenever you see them, if you can.  Just FYI. --Chris S. 01:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no need to fix the name for cbk-zam. The term "Zamboangueño" is actually ambiguous as it can both refer to the people or residents of Zamboanga City and the creole language. Cbk-zam is perfectly fine as it has already been in Wikipedia: as Chavacano de Zamboanga or even Chabacano/Chavacano. --Weekeejames 01:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The interwiki link name and URL abbreviation are a bit long though(to state the obvious)--Jondel 03:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It's the same story - you'll get one group claiming it's with a v, another saying it's b and another saying they don't care. --Chris S. 08:59, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It matters because the Chavacano will be for Zamboangenos, while Chabacano will be for the Cavitenos. I'm fine with cbk-zam and cbk-cav as the URLs. These names are useful for the speakers of the language. Arabian links don't display as "Arabian" but by on the Arabian alphabet. --Howard the Duck 14:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If only it were so; Chavacano and Chabacano are both in free variation in all three varieties.  --Chris S. 18:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The people from Cavite spell Chabacano with a "b" - check out the Cavite City article; I dunno with Zamboangenos, but most likely they'll spell it Chavacano. --Howard the Duck 05:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chabacano (especially Chavacano de Zamboanga) has two levels of word usage: familiar and formal. I look at "Zamboangueño" (from the local word "Zamboanga" that became a Hispanized or Hispanicized [?] word) in the linguistic context as familiar while "Chavacano de Zamboanga" (Hispanic) as formal. In writing, the formal mode has, gradually over the periods, been the preferred usage. Rizal's Chabacano in his El Filibusterismo wrote in the familiar mode (na medyo super bakya ang dating or tsabakanong tsabakano). But that is Chabacano/Chavacano. The language is very fluid and alive in the sense that it is constantly evolving. On the spellings, I have explained that on the Chabacano article; it is even explained initially in the first paragraph. Personally, it does not matter to me if it's spelled as Chabacano, Chavacano, Tsabakano, Chabakano, Chavakano, Zamboangenio, Zamboangeño, Zamboangueño. Mas maraming spellings mas maganda. Kaya nga tawag Chabacano, kasi baduy. But, it's the level of word usage that is important, and in writing we use the formal usage. Pag Castillian ang pinagmulan ng salita, we definitely use Spanish. Yung Caviteño, sana the people from Cavite would make an effort to preserve their language kasi it is soon to be a dying language. In the case of Chavacano de Zamboanga, ours is alive and kicking. --Weekeejames 20:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interwiki link changes 

message: A not too obvious secret of of success is maintaining it.  Congratulations to everyone for their hard work which helped make Philippines history  a selected  article in Today's featured article.--Jondel 21:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And the vandals are having a field day! Oh well... But nice to see the old school Philippine flag at the MP. --Howard the Duck 02:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The bigger you are, the more enemies you get. Featured articles probably attract vandals like flies to honey.--Jondel 04:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Frontpage/ Today's Featured Article

message: What are the images in this image tag? PD? Fair use? --Howard the Duck 15:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Provided no one uses them for commercial use, they're PD.  For the purposes of Wikipedia, it is fair use.  I don't particularly like PD 49, for which this provision of government permission (tantamount to copyright) over supposedly PD material comes from.  --Sky Harbor 21:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Template:PD-PhilippinesGov]] 

message: Well, some of the projects approved can use Incubator slots pretty soon:
*Ilokano Wiktionary
*Cebuano Wiktionary
*Cebuano Wikibooks
*Pangasinan Wiktionary (on the Pangasinan Wikipedia)
I also plan to lobby for the formation of a Tagalog Wikisource or Wikinews, whichever is better (I prefer the latter, since newspaper articles are PD per the Intellectual Property Code of the Philippines).  Then again, I'm lobbying for support.  --Sky Harbor 13:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it be possible or feasible to have a Philippine Wikisource - just one place where all the Filipiniana can stay regardless of language, be it English, Tagalog, Cebuano, etc.? --Chris S. 23:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikisources though are sorted by language.  So regardless of the content, it has to be in the same language as the language Wikisource.  --Sky Harbor 10:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

text: glad to hear that. i wish it would be soonest. -Saluyot 05:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Other approved Philippine Wikimedia requests

message: Will someone be able to create a coats of Arms for the Philippine commonwealth? You can use the 20 peso bill as reference. Plus, a flag of the Philippines used in the era, the blue then followed the blue of the American flag. Scorpion prinz 14:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for Philippine Commonwealth Coats of Arms

message: Hello. I previously asked for input on an article for Xangsane. We're currently working on an article for Typhoon Cimaron (PAGASA name Paeng) which made landfall yesterday as a category 5-equivalent super typhoon. I've already got quite a few preparation links at User talk:Chacor/Sandbox/Cimaron 0619, but would welcome any help. – Chacor 14:34, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typhoon Paeng (Cimaron) 

message: There was an exchange here recently about whether Bonifacio placed a diacritic on the ‘e’ of ‘Andres’ when he signed his name.  This is a difficult question to answer, because before August 1896 he usually signed Katipunan documents  ‘Vzypzgzsz’ – the code for his alias, ‘Maypagasa’ – and after August 1896, having switched to signing his real name, he usually abbreviated the ‘Andres’ to ‘And’ followed by three dots, a form of abbreviation the Katipunan inherited from Masonry.  Unless someone knows otherwise, therefore, it is quite likely there are no extant signatures with the ‘Andres’ in full.  
But it would be nice to be able to make an informed guess, even though the circumstantial evidence is inconclusive.  Gregoria de Jesus, his future bride, did not accent the ‘e’ of ‘Andres’ when she wrote to the gobernadorcillo of Binondo in October 1893 to protest that her parents were in effect detaining her against her will to prevent the marriage.  His letterhead, which printed his name in capitals, did not accent the ‘e’ either.  But the texts of his letters (as reproduced in facsimile form in the coffee-table edition of Adrian Cristobal’s “The Tragedy of the Revolution”) show that sometimes he did accent the ‘e’ in the name ‘José’, and that sometimes he did not.  It does not settle the argument, but the best guess is that he would have been similarly inconsistent if and when he wrote the name ‘Andres’ in full. --Jim Richardson80.43.3.111 22:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know why we have to use diacritics in Filipino ortography, when it is used only in dictionaries for pronunciation purposes. Scorpion prinz 03:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether we like it or not (and even though how much we never liked it, in the first place), Spanish is a heritage very evident in our national language despite our denials of the Castillian Language. In the article diacritic, there are two general purposes of these accent marks: for pronunciation and to "distinguish" between similar words. Thus, we write "nag-alis" instead of "nagalis". Very true indeed. As you see it's not only for pronuncation purposes but also "to distinguish" which then is also applicable to "distinguish between two similar words from two different languages in which one word is a derivative of the other word". Thus, baùl is Spanish while baul can be Filipino. But back to the original question, why use baùl (with the marks) in pinoy spellings? The answer is in the context of one's own writing: 'hispanized' (pinuwersang gawing Espanyol), hispanicized (natural na Espanyol) or 'tagalized' (tinagalog). If the context is 'tagalized' then it's "piso" or if 'hispanized'; "peso". If it's in the context of being hispanicized (translated naturally to Spanish) then it is "peso" like "Andrés"; if Filipino, then it is Andres. Many Spanish words that found their way to Filipino can never be 'hispanized' because they had no true Tagalog counterpart or they were derivatives from the original Spanish words. They can only be 'hispanized' by the use of diacritical marks. Oftentimes, we do really use the marks because its just the natural (again hispanicized). We don't write, Los Banyos, Laguna but instead Los Baños, Laguna.  Example: Si Maria ay taga Los Baños sa Laguna. Some authors also use diacritical marks for formality sake in writing regardless of the context. In some old books, even though their entirety was written in pure Tagalog, you see in the outside cover page the author's name written with a diacritic, for example: Maria José Caldéron. Some authors do use diacritical marks the way they treat capitalizations of words as rules in writing even though they write in Filipino context using Filipino orthography. Because diacritical marks do exist in Filipino. --Weekeejames 23:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bonifacio and diacritics 

message: See more on my user page. - Emir214 13:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Goodbye, Farewell, and Amen. --Howard the Duck 13:29, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this a insult? - Emir214 13:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No. --Howard the Duck 14:01, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goodbye! 

message: There is a lively discussion in Freedom of Religion in the Philippines . I think the article was going in a good direction na sana, but some user complained of POV. I am not sure what he meant but he kept on jumping from one complaint, to another, to another. SO I removed all the possible controversial subsections. How to proceed? BTW he describes himself as an expert, so I hope that there would be no edit war or anything. :) --Noypi380 15:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Announcement

message: After the Shariff Kabunsuan's provincehood last October 31, 2006, you might find another headache in making new locator maps and new articles. 
This December 2, 2006, the people of Dinagat Island will be voting a similar referendum of Shariff Kabunsuan whether they would want their small island to be the 81st province of the Philippines. 
If approved, it would be the fiprovince created by the Philippine Congress under the Arroyo administration. Take note that Shariff Kabunsuan was not created by the Philippine Congress but by the ARMM Legislature.
So, brace yourselves for the upcoming Dinagat Island province if ever it would come into reality. 
You can read the law creating the said island into province thru this address (YOU NEED TO HAVE AN ACROBAT READER IN ORDER TO VIEW THIS) Dinagat Island Province Act
You can also view some of the articles about it:
*Kiko: On the Senate Legislative Agenda
*Blogging about Del Sur's and Del Norte
*Senate okay on bill for province eyed
*Province of Dinagat Island
By the way, I'll continue to create the profiles of some Senators of the Philippines before the 2007 elections. I've finished Jamby Madrigal and Francis Pangilinan. Maybe I'll continue with Ralph Recto, Rodolfo Biazon, Pia Cayetano and Joker Arroyo. If you can help me with this, it would be very good. --- Kevin Ray 08:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What is wrong with the Philippines creating new provinces here and there? Do they want to achieve 100 provinces before Gloria Arroyo steps down (if ever) in 2010? (Just thinking out loud) --Glenncando 10:04, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More provinces = more governors = more money to spend wahaha. --Howard the Duck 13:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is in the spirit of "better governance". Of course when the province is smaller, officials tend to focus on small constituents more, since their concern can be immediately elevated to the provincial level.There are several bills filed to create more provinces like dividing Cebu into 4 provinces, the creation of Mindoro del Sur carved out of Oriental Mindoro, Quezon del Sur out of Quezon province. I pity the students who have to memorize more provinces than we had to during our school years. Ü Scorpion prinz 03:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't forget the capitals too. Especially the confusing capital of Tawi-Tawi. Some province carving proposals were only proposed so that political dynasties can have more control, as in the case with Cebu. --seav 20:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Spirit of "Better" Governance"? Whats being better with that? They should promote ethnical, economic, government and cultural unity not divisiveness in these parts. Do they want all of these islands become all provinces? These islands are not yet that developed to become a province for God's sake. --Glenncando 10:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Coming soon, three-municipality provinces! (lol) And nothing ever happened to divided provinces (Kalinga, Apayao, Sibugay, Compostela Valley, etc. are still poor.) --Howard the Duck 10:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who pushed for turning Dinagat Island into a province? The citizens of the island? Officials? Who? --Noypi380 13:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, officials, claim its the clamor of their constituents. Especially when their terms are about to expire and they have no position to run for, or they deem they don't stand a chance in running for the top provincial position, especially if their province is divided into more than two congressional districts. I will not be suprised if Siargo "will" aspire for provincehood. When Biliran lobbied to be fully independent of Leyte, they use the status of Batanes, Camiguin and Siquijor, which have far less the ability to be on their own feet as a province. Scorpion prinz 14:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SOON this Dec. 2: [[Dinagat Island|Dinagat Island Province]]

message: Well, ABS-CBN is at it again with Wikipedia maps.  This time, it's the provincial map of Cebu, used to highlight events surrounding floods in Bulacao, Cebu City.  And as usual, WITHOUT CREDIT, let alone a license.  --Sky Harbor 15:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We need a link hehehe. --Howard the Duck 13:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, i say.... raid the station! With spam! :) --Noypi380 13:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Guess what, ABS-CBN done it again with :Image:Ph map manila large.png. But this time, we have evidence! --Mithril Cloud 21:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: <evil mad scientist laugh> Can I add this at the ABS-CBN article? <evil mad scientist laugh>. Nice job on the screencap. --Howard the Duck 04:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Can I press ABS-CBN for royalties? Clearly they did not follow GFDL so they're infringing on my copyright. --seav 02:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What is the protocol with GFDL images on television? How does one "reprint" a three-page document on broadcast television? Have you ever considered co-licensing it with Creative Commons, so that they could simply credit you with an on-screen byline? As for royalties, does the Philipines have fair use laws? (As a footnote, as disheartening as their copyright infringement is, please make sure that you deal with them civilly, and detail how Wikipedia works, copyright-wise and contribution-wise.)  --  Zanimum 16:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Philippines has a fair use doctrine per the Intellectual Property Code of the Philippines.  Presuming such, according to Section 185.1, since it is being used for the purposes of news reporting, ABS-CBN is using it under the guise of fair use.  Then again, they're the only television network that I know that extensively uses the Philippine fair use doctrine.  --Sky Harbor 23:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, that fair use doctrine seems to cover it. Anyway, I'd still relicense the image to be both GFDL and CC-BY-2.5, so then people can simply credit the creator if they want to use it. GFDL is a torturous license, and should be avoided as much as possible.  --  Zanimum 14:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Whoa, Nelly, did you even list it at IFD/PUI? I'd demand a deletion review if necessary for this. --Howard the Duck 06:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Feel free; it was a perfectly fine deletion.  Ral315 (talk) 08:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How was it perfectly fine? Was it deleted out of consensus? --Howard the Duck 08:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And the uploader wasn't even contacted. I've spent hours tagging pics with appropriate deletion tags, then this one is deleted without due process. --Howard the Duck 08:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Consensus, IFD, and PUI do not apply to any fair use image not used in the mainspace. I've reverted the deletion temporarily, so you can reupload the content to an outside site, and link to it.  --  Zanimum 14:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The image was not solely used in this page. It was used in the ABS-CBN page and is currently at the Magandang Umaga, Pilipinas page, so this image is clearly used/was used at the mainspace. --Howard the Duck 16:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Neither usage is justified, as Wikipedia should avoid self-referencing itself in articles. If you wish to write about the copyright violation in the article, reference it as part of a paragraph of questionable practices used by producers. Alone, it looks like we're narcissitic.  --  Zanimum 22:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, but please wait for 7 days when I come up with a paragraph, the regular waiting time for deletion of pics. I've submitted :Image:UE colors.PNG for speedy deletion on November 9 and its almost December 30 and its still not deleted. --Howard the Duck 04:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  And yet even another nice map factoid 

message: I've deleted this image; fair use doesn't apply to us in this case.  Ral315 (talk) 05:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoa, Nelly, did you even list it at IFD/PUI? I'd demand a deletion review if necessary for this. --Howard the Duck 06:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Feel free; it was a perfectly fine deletion.  Ral315 (talk) 08:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How was it perfectly fine? Was it deleted out of consensus? --Howard the Duck 08:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And the uploader wasn't even contacted. I've spent hours tagging pics with appropriate deletion tags, then this one is deleted without due process. --Howard the Duck 08:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Consensus, IFD, and PUI do not apply to any fair use image not used in the mainspace. I've reverted the deletion temporarily, so you can reupload the content to an outside site, and link to it.  --  Zanimum 14:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The image was not solely used in this page. It was used in the ABS-CBN page and is currently at the Magandang Umaga, Pilipinas page, so this image is clearly used/was used at the mainspace. --Howard the Duck 16:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Neither usage is justified, as Wikipedia should avoid self-referencing itself in articles. If you wish to write about the copyright violation in the article, reference it as part of a paragraph of questionable practices used by producers. Alone, it looks like we're narcissitic.  --  Zanimum 22:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, but please wait for 7 days when I come up with a paragraph, the regular waiting time for deletion of pics. I've submitted :Image:UE colors.PNG for speedy deletion on November 9 and its almost December 30 and its still not deleted. --Howard the Duck 04:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding deletion of screenshot

message: I have been reading here all these "And yet another nice map factoid" against ABS-CBN's alleged use of Wikipedia's image files  on television without credits. It is, basically, a violation. In broadcast news, any images, sound, or video from other sources (other than the station or network broadcasting the material) should be broadcasted with permission or if without permission, at least acknowledged or given credit. Thus, captions of "audio courtesy of Viva Records", "video courtesy of Regal Films" or "map courtesy of www.wikipedia.org" should be shown with the material. I suggest it's time that we do a special section on the tambayan page regarding the use of wikipedia's media file, consolidate all discussions we have had regarding this matter into a single discussion page and have a Filipino Wikipedian Administrator write a postal letter (will an email suffice?) to the ABS-CBN News Dept. - Mother Ignacia, Quezon City. Have it attentioned to Maria Ressa, the current head of the news team ABS-CBN and direct them to our special section on the tambayan page and discussion page. That way, they'll be aware. I'm sure Maria Ressa will do something about it. --Weekeejames 01:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dear ABS-CBN

message: Hey can anyone remove the coat of arms of the Philippines from the PhilPres template? It moves the VP seal down and its not good to see that the template seals are not inside the borders of the template. See it for details. Maybe we can just leave the President's and the VP's seals in it. Its their templates anyway, right? Thank you...  --Glenncando 10:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd recommend their removal, since they're not freely-licensed images. Fair use images are forbidden at the Template: namespace. --Howard the Duck 10:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I already removed the Presidential, VP seals and RP Coat of Arms. Thanks for your advice. I hope all of you would continue to contribute to the completion of this lists. THANKS A LOT AGAIN!!!! ---Kevin Ray 12:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PhilPres  template 

message: I don't know if it's just me, but I think that the article is almost on the verge of being simply a directory of Philippine call centers. The list is getting longer and longer at least every two weeks, almost becoming much longer than the article itself. And the only active updates are on the list alone. What do you think? --- Tito Pao 18:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. :) --Noypi380 00:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Call center industry in the Philippines]] 

message: Started a Speaker of the House article. Speaker of the House of Representatives can serve as a guide. :) --Noypi380 00:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest the renaming of the article to Speakers of the Philippine Legislatures. It must be noted that we had the following legislatures: Philippine Assembly (1907-1916), House of Representatives (1916-1935, 1941-1972, 1987 to present), National Assembly (1935-1941), Batasang Pambansa (1978-1984) — and the presiding officers of these legislature were called Speakers. Scorpion prinz 13:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about separate articles for those? :) --Noypi380 10:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a need for separate articles, when they can just be enumerated in one? Imagine there's only 1 speaker of the Philippine Assembly, Sergio Osmeña. Scorpion prinz 13:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, the list must be changed then. :) --Noypi380 03:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a need, because the Philippine Assembly was a separate legislative entity from the Philippine legislature. The Philippine Assembly was under the provisions of the Organic Act of 1902, and I believe, a subsequent US law in 1905, which served as the constitution for the colony. In 1916, the Jones Law established the Philippine Legislature and in Phil. constitutional history, the Jones Law served as a new organic law or constitution until superseded in turn, by the Commonwealth under the 1935 constitution. It doesn't matter if there was only one Speaker, e.g. the Interim Batasan Pambansa (which in turn replaced the Interim National Assembly which never convened because it was amended out of existence) was different from the Batasan Pambansa of 1984-86.Gareon 05:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So then, the article for the Speakers of the House of Representatives of 1916-1935 will be different from the speakers of 1941-1972, and the speakers from 1987-present, because they were created under different statutes? If legislative records were to be based, the records of the Interim Batasan are actually labeled as the First Batasan and the regular batasan as the Second Batasan. Cant we just resort to cohesion? they might just all end up candidates for, merging. Scorpion prinz 13:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd answer it this way. If you go to the Batasan Pambansa complex (present House of Representatives) the portraits of the Speakers are all in a row, starting with Osmena and going on through to de Venecia. They include Yulo and Aquino (Commonwealth and 2nd Republic national assemblies). The entry for Speaker should therefore be one of a line, as every government has always had at least a one-chamber legislature, though some have had bicameral ones. The article can explain this, no need to keep breaking things up. The modern political office of Speaker is itself the product of a near-continuous evolution beginning with the 1st Philippine Assembly in 1907.Gareon 16:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What i initially asked was the renaming of the article to Speakers of the Philippine Legislatures since, all periods of our legislature has always had a speaker. Legislature here wasn't actually pertaining to the phase when our legislative branch was referred to as the Philippine Legislature but should be construed as the legislatures in our nation's life. So they should just be in one article after all. Scorpion prinz 16:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Responses are now in Speaker of the House article.  --Noypi380 09:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Speaker of the Philippine House of Representatives|Speaker of the House]] 

message: I've noticed that in a span of about three hours, an anonymous user has editing the following articles with much gusto:
*Dale Abenojar
*Romi Garduce
*Leo Oracion
*Pastor Emata
Because I work on odd hours (blame it on outsourcing :-) , I wasn't able to update about the much-debated Mt. Everest expedition, but what struck me about the latest edits by the anonymous user from the IP address 203.27.186.162 were consistent on one end: the edits made it appear, with finality, that Dale Abenojar is really the first Pinoy on the summit, and Romi Garduce et. al. only followed him. I tried Googling for any news article that will support this, but I was unable to find any leads. (Or maybe I'm looking at the wrong places)
Honestly, I don't know which is which since I haven't been reading the newspapers for some time...has there been any resolution on the Pinoy Mt. Everest expedition dispute? Last time I know, Dale Abenojar claimed to have photos of him on the summit (which I'm not sure if it were already published elsewhere) and also to show a video of his ascent---on a screening organized by him, if I'm not mistaken. 
Here's more: the Talk pages on the Dale Abenojar article are now blanked. Does this mean that all concerns about the article were single-handedly addressed by this anonymous user?
Please help me out with my doubts...I still confused and I don't know how to make sense of these, since I'm not updated with any developments about this story. --- Tito Pao 01:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just revert to the previous version. I've tried editing those article but someone readds them. Although semi-protecting might work, the admins may not allow it. About the Mt. Everest expedition, although consensus exists that Abenojar's claims are just that. The article must say that although Abenojar claims says he's first, only a few people acknowledge that. --Howard the Duck 01:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed, with additional warnings placed on the anonymous user's talk page. --- Tito Pao 02:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I give up. This guy came back and "reverted" (or, more precisely, hand-edited) my reverts. The only reason I could think of is that this user is someone sympathetic to Dale Abenojar. (Or, God forbid, it could even be Dale Abenojar himself.) I've reverted the Dale Abenojar page for the second time, but if this guy comes back and does it again...well, I'm afraid I might violate the three-revert rule. I don't know...this anonymous user is very, very stubborn. --- Tito Pao 10:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 3 revert rule is good for 24 hours only. If you're on your 4th revert, wait for a day and do it. Then it resets back to the 1st revert. --Howard the Duck 11:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clarification! --- Tito Pao 11:09, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The [[Dale Abenojar]] edits and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=203.87.186.162 User 203.27.186.162] 

message: Hi Philippines geeks. Does the Edmargatus page sound reasonable to you? It is an orphaned article. Please give it love and parentage or, if necessary, send it to hell. --Dangherous 15:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't. I can't seem to find it on Google, Yahoo or MSN. Besides, it sounds like a real person's name (as in, "Edmar Gatus") --- Tito Pao 22:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Send it to hell (prod? delete?). :) --Noypi380 10:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Exactly what's on my mind :)  --- Tito Pao 07:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I prodded it. --Howard the Duck 04:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Believe it or not. Edmargatus's original author, Trixter13, created another article (Enyahs) that makes a direct reference to the Edmargatus article. Also, this user deleted the Prod...so I rv'ed tEdmargatus and added an AfD for the Enyahs article. I was about to change the prod to AfD, but the Wikipedia database was temporarily locked. In the meantime, I have a feeling that Trixter13 is up to no good. --- Tito Pao 18:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Edmargatus]] 

message: Do we have a consistent naming convention for articles on islands? I notice we have some articles in the form "Palawan Island" and others in the form "Basilan (island)". I think in most cases the latter is correct, since we usually just say "Palawan" whether we're referring to the island or the province (though there are exceptions.. Apo Island is usually called "Apo Island" and not just "Apo"). On a related note, we should probably have separate articles for Luzon as an island and as an island group. Same with Mindanao. --Coffee 03:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about Luzon (island) and Luzon (island group). The Luzon (island) will focus on geography and the peoples in the island per se, while the Luzon (island group) will about the regions, politics, etc. Also I think the region article names must have the word "region" like Central Luzon Region, Western Visayas Region, CARAGA Region etc. --Howard the Duck 03:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However, these regions don't have the word "Region" in their official names, save in cases like the NCR, CAR and ARMM.  --Sky Harbor 09:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The question is what are their official names? They don't have seals or something, except for ARMM. --Howard the Duck 09:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would presume it's whatever the government (through the DILG) says.  --Sky Harbor 10:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For government agencies use the "Region I" system. --Howard the Duck 03:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then again, check the DILG Local Government Unit Directory, especially in the drop-down menu.  --Sky Harbor 11:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I should've provided this as a counterexample, but it's outdated. The only difference was DILG said "Caraga," while NSO said "Caraga Region." --Howard the Duck 18:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islands 

message: I was editing the First Philippine Republic article when I noticed this on its talk page. I searched for anything called "Wikipedia:WikiProject Philippines" in Wikipedia but nothing came up. Since this is the only Philippine community, what is/was "Wikipedia:WikiProject Philippines"? - Men72194 13:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What was WikiProject Philippines was an attempt to formalize all project-related activities being undertaken on the Tambayan here.  The idea was brought up twice and realized once, only to be torn down by lack of support and the subsequent departure of the creator from all Wikimedia projects due to this.  Consensus seems to lean against the formalization of the system.  --Sky Harbor 13:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is unrelated to the above, but I happen to know about the spat that occurred over that with . This new user has managed to find my sandbox pretty quickly, and seems to know what he's doing. In all the previous sandboxes that the tropical cyclone project has asked Tambayan Philippines for help, Emir or one of his alternate accounts have been the only ones that have edited the sandbox directly, eveyone else has just posted to the talk page to help. Might not be my place, but just commenting that I have my suspicions that this new user is just Emir under a new account. Don't fall for it, people. – Chacor 13:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just asking...wasn't this the same  who posted the "Goodbye" thread on this page a few weeks ago? --- Tito Pao 13:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is.  I don't know if I should take any action to bring him back here (or something to the extent), but it was the actions over the fate of WikiProject Philippines that made him leave.  --Sky Harbor 21:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Deogene (Emir214's newest incarnation) has moved the project banner and placed it here. I'm planning to add this to talk pages. Any objections? --Howard the Duck 15:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw this page and I noticed your discussion. I am only staying for only a while. I am busy. - Deogene 12:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be nice though if you can come back.  I do hope that what were the wounds of the past are not dwelt upon, and not everyone in the Philippine Wikipedia community is as bad as you perceive.  --Sky Harbor 12:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What a waste! Men72194 is the same Deogene and Emir214. Sockpuppets are such a waste and up to no good. --Weekeejames 21:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: An anon is repeatedly changing cited figures in the religion section, w/o giving references. This has been going on for like a week already. Can it be semi-protected? --Howard the Duck 09:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've ran out of 3RR. --Howard the Duck 10:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philippines getting vandalised lately... 

message: left|100px|thumb|Vote here!
To all of my fellow Filipino Wikipedians, I would like to ask for your votes for the article about Mariano Trias in Wikipedia's Article Creation and Improvement Drive. 
I believe that the said article still needs a bit of clean-up and expansion. I hope you would vote for the article in this link.
Thanks a lot!!! ---- Kevin Ray 10:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Let's vote for [[Mariano Trias]]

message: Per the now-tumultuous decision to delete a good majority of the pictures on the LRT article (since disputed on all photos) due to the copyright status of the photos (still despise PD 49), I would like to request a free alternative to the LRT map presently found in the LRT article, located in the LRT network section.
It is presently in JPEG, so if it can be made in PNG (or equivalent), that can be better!  At least I no longer have to rely on the LRTA for the map.
Thanks a bunch again!  --Sky Harbor 00:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another map request 

message: Well, I took the liberty of making a new image copyright tag: .  This template is for images/files that serve as official public documents of an administrative, legislative or judicial nature, or any portion of such documents as needed thereof.  As per the IPCP, they are in the public domain.  Presently, this license has been tagged on all signatures of the Presidents that explicitly said they are from public documents.  --Sky Harbor 04:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Will it cover the Seals of the Philippine provinces? --bluemask (talk) 09:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering whether Philippine peso banknotes are considered public documents, but if the seal did come from a public document, then I guess it can count.  I might tag the seal of Naga City with this tag.  --Sky Harbor 12:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: will this cover images from the Marikina City Coffee Table Book? this book was published by the Marikina City government. thanks. RebSkii 19:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure.  The Marikina city government may have published the book, but it may not constitute a public document from their point of view.  --Sky Harbor 23:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think most PD licenses cover only the national/federal governments, not the local ones, unless it states there that its PD. --Howard the Duck 05:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: please help: pictures in the Marikina City article was deleted leaving the article with just a simple locator map. how can i upload pictures and cite sources with fair use? i've done this a couple of times but it keeps on getting deleted. i used non-profit and educational purposes and no free alternative available i even used the screen webshot defense and still nothing worked. --RebSkii 07:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently the rationale was invalid in the sense that all the pictures can (or do) have free alternatives.  Meaning, any competent person can take a picture of the same item and release it under a free use license, like GFDL or PD.  --Sky Harbor 09:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New license 

message: I understand that there are countries such as Russia that may have SONAs too, but please check Talk:State of the Nation Address.  A certain User:WaWa12 left some pretty harsh comments, calling us Filipinos bastards and claiming that we are ignorant and smelly.  I had to reply, so if it's a bit harsh, please do tell me.  What do we do about the fate of the SONA?  --Sky Harbor 12:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The guy who posted the 'nice' comment might be under the influence, there are news that folks in his country can't buy vodka, thus they can only afford to buy rubbing alcohol to get drunk. That would make them more smelly I guess.Modelwatcher 17:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But there is no need to go down to his level. Giving such comments might just make things worse. As for the fate of the SONA, I think there is nothing to worry about. --Mithril Cloud 17:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I hope that whatever he demands for has been achieved.  At least the article was moved.  --Sky Harbor 21:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That comment was not called for, and the move solves his prob. It is known in the press anyway that Russia has a racism problem. There are racist gangs there who beat up Africans and Chinese until they leave. Racism is caused yata by one's fears and insecurities in (the lack of) national identity. The more secure of who you are, the more tolerant you become. As for Filipinos in general, hehe, we are secure with our national identity (or so I think). Manny Pacquiao, is an example of how developed Philippine identity is. He even is so friendly with the Mexican boxers after a bloody match. Very sporting of him. LOL. :) --Noypi380 07:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text:  He said somewhere (the Russkie) that he was having a bad day, so he just spammed and decided to annoy some people, unfortunately for us, he selected an article made by a pinoy. You were right on the issue about insecurities or the lack of it, for pinoys tend to just smile and not get annoyed coz there are so many things to do and enjoy. Although its fun to take a jab some of the time! Being outside the country for more than 5 years now, I seldom encounter a nice Russian. They do business a lot nowadays coz they got oil and gas to sell to Europe. Another bad news is that they even drugged one of their 'comrades' who is now fighting for his life in London, coz he disagreed with the Kremlin. Modelwatcher 15:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rantage at [[State of the Nation Address]] 

message: Are Central GMA and Jeopardy! (Philippine Gameshow) true? I could have sworn I haven't heard of these programs/TV networks/whatever. The suspect is User:Tonyboy092392. --Howard the Duck 08:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is a hoax... I'ved checked the official list of television stations on the NTC website and I can't find the TV station DZCM-TV, and the only source for Central GMA's article is a blog... -Danngarcia 17:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll be tagging these and other related articles with  and , if someone removes them, this will go to AFD. --Howard the Duck 07:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Wow, User:Tonyboy092392 here really spent a lot of time on this nonsense. (Notice the blog's owner is also named "Tony Boy") --Coffee 07:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  They were rather involved, I agree. However, a lot of the content for the Jeopardy hoax appears to be summarized copies from other articles.  --  Zanimum 14:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More hoaxes? 

message: A number of relevant films that truly highlight the artistry of the Filipino filmmakers seems to be missing here. Films like Batch 81 and Sister Stella L of Mike de Leon, Himala and Relasyon by Ishmael Bernal and the works of Lino Brocka, which are too many to single out need to be featured IMO. 
Some of the most celebrated films by the above Directors are mentioned, however, their links are external, and points to the Amazon affiliate imdb.com
I hope other Filipino wikipedians noticed this too, and I would like to work on a number of articles to discuss these films and artists. Being new here I have yet to learn the ways by which wikipeadia works and I want to ask if this be considered a project, or a sub-project perhaps so that other interested individuals can contribute as well? Modelwatcher 17:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevant Filipino Films through the years 

message: I'm attempting to place back links to Mindanao Lumad groups on the article I'm working on about the agung.
Unfortunately, there is no one article about the Mindanao Lumad groups... they're three.. scattered under different names.
Lumad
Hilltribes of Mindanao
Tribal groups of the Philippines
I suggest they be merged into one cohesive article. PhilipDM 20:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles about Southern Mindanao Groups needs to be fixed 

message: Can someone fix the redirection fix of Rizal province? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scorpion prinz (talk • contribs) 
:Done.  --Sky Harbor 12:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirection fix: Rizal province 

message: Gl
I cant get the locator map to show up, i dont know whats wrong, im getting dumber by the minute. Scorpion prinz 13:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Weekeejames 19:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pililla, Rizal]]