Talk:1977 Nestlé boycott

message: I have removed the "outdated" tag since this article now references events less than one year ago. --216.58.90.192 (talk) 00:13, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Just fyi: a microbe that an adult's immune system can withstand may kill a newborn; that's why one must sterilize water before mixing formula. Besides being relatively free of such microbes, breastmilk passes the mother's antibodies to the child. 69.114.164.41 (talk) 19:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Tags

message: 2 of the 3 flaws with this aren't Nestle's fault. 1 is the fault of the country, 1 is the fault of the mothers. And no company should be held accountable for a user not following their directions. And the 3rd flaw appears to be false
A Response to your [offensive language removed]: This company is not dealing with some rich Americans who sit around watching TV or going on wikipedia all day, these mothers are people who have had no education.  On the other hand, the Nestle corporation only does this in countries where they are more powerful than the governments in place.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.66.20.15 (talk) 21:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you give the directions in a foreign language... PuercoPop (talk) 03:35, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

text: "Offensive language removed? What is this a children's play area?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:6393:B201:454E:1ACD:3999:37E5 (talk) 23:36, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: I find this article, and the boycott itself [offensive language removed]

message: I have attempted to improve the format of the article as well as to provide background information on what the central issue of the boycott is. I realize the article is somewhat one-sided and does not provide Nestlé and it's supporters side of the issue. If someone does either have that info to add or would like to locate it then please insert into the article. --Cab88 09:42, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome, thanks for the additional info! As it turns out, I just happened to be reading about this issue yesterday in the book Why Decisions Fail by Paul C. Nutt, and it basically said all the things you did. Thanks. --Birdhombre 13:23, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: My rewrite

message: I've removed the POV Check marker, as I do not believe that this article is biased; it seems to contain an accurate summary of the claims made by campaigners in regard to Nestle, and the fact that it does not contain Nestle's side of the story does not in itself warrant a POV marker.
Actually, the article IS biased in that it does not provide Nestlé's responses. ~ A reader
Yep - totally one sided
I agree ~ another reader  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.225.165.105 (talk) 13:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: POV Check removed

message: The article says "This is alleged to have led to the deaths of about 1.5 million babies." Two things need clarification:
* Who alleges this, what's the source?
* It used to say (and still does, in Nestlé) 1.5 million each year, while as it stands here, it means 1.5 millions accumulated. I don't know which is correct (and if either of them are, it is pretty horrible), but the difference is significant and we should clarify this.
Haakon 2 July 2005 09:55 (UTC)
: Ok, I did some research and rewrote the paragraph. I made some points clearer (IMO), and added that the 1.5 million figure is indeed per year. Sources: , , . Haakon 2 July 2005 17:36 (UTC) This site is null, not working, and does not exist. . .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Edit_summary
Note that all these sources given are based on the campaign figures of the people running the nestle boycott and so are not really impartial. 
Nestle may indeed be playing a role in pushing their products more than is in the interests of the developing worlds health - In fact despite their published policies they still seem to be a bit of a bad guy. But quite frankly laying this many deaths solely at their door is beyond the bounds of credibility.
I agree with the two comments above. The highly biased source of "Baby Milk Action" erroneously claims figures from UNICEF to back their extremely high claimed death toll of 1.5 million. They say: "It has been estimated that improved breastfeeding practices could save some 1.5 million children a year," which is not the same as saying that Nestle or any other formula manufacturer is responsible for these deaths. 1.5 million children die each year because they don't get access to breast milk for a WIDE range of reasons, which may include the use of formula by mothers, but may ALSO include malnutrition of the mother, poor health of the mother - eg. persistent mastitis and no access to antibiotics, the mother's inability to produce breast milk or afford a substitute, such as formula, poor breast feeding counsellings, development problems in the infant, premature birth (common in developing countries), sickness or fever which causes inability to suck milk from a breast or a feeble draw (common where children are born without a skilled attendant), infant allergies to breast milk or early weening practices. 
"Improved breast feeding" practices include a wide variety of tactics, which may include discouraging the use of formula, but will also include measures such as providing midwifes with breast feeding counselor training, ensuring mothers feed on demand, feed 100 percent breast milk (no water, especially in developing countries where supplies may be dubious), are fit and healthy enough to produce breast milk and most importantly ween children to food much later. 
In many developing countries, such as the one I work in - the main battle is to convince mothers to continue breast feeding past the third month - and delay feeding infants rice - which is part of the indigenous culture. This has nothing to do with infant formula. 
It is also worth remembering that most women in the developing world, especially in rural areas, do not give birth in a hospital. Therefore it would be rather hard for the big baddie Nestle to hand out free formula and "get them hooked" as is alleged.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.136.245.202 (talk) 05:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: V Good point. I removed the sentence According to UNICEF, if every baby were exclusively breastfed from birth to six months, an estimated 1.3 million additional lives would be saved each year.Fionah (talk) 21:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Infant deaths

message: Does anyone know much the boycott actually hurts the company financially?  Is it in any way significant when compared to their overall revenues? Maccoinnich 18:50, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, this is my question, too, because it speaks to the point. I joined the boycott back in 1977-78 when as a breastfeeding mom and b.f. coach I was concerned about these issues. I kept boycotting until about a decade ago when I came to feel that there had been some economic and PR impact on Nestle, enough to cause changes in practice/policy. Ecomonic impact is usually the motivator for such change. I would like more info on this, since I am currently in a doctoral economics class and a group of us are looking at the success/failure of such efforts as this boycott and why. (4.255.38.152 05:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cost to the company 

message: Has anyone ever compiled a list of celebraties who are paid to endorse Nestle products?  I know that David Bowie sold his likeness to advertise a Nestle water company.  Have there been any others?
--Dickmac999 21:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Endorsements 

message: Is it appropriate to provide a link to a list of Nestle products at the Nestle web site?
--Dick Mac - Brooklyn, NY 23:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nestle Products 

message: Are these allegations still valid?? Nestle is a Global company afterall....Is it just an anti-Nestle campaign being carried out by some vested interests???
--Muby - Bangalore, India 02:58, 02 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the allegations are still valid. If you visit the Baby Milk Action website (they are the british organisation who co-ordinate the Nestle boycott) you will be able to find examples of WHO code violations from as recently as May 2006.
80.6.116.174 15:24, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Valid 

message: What's an LEDC? I don't think this term should be used without a link to explain it. It's just confusing. --Weeble 14:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently it means "less economically developed country." I went ahead and spelled it out and made a wikilink to the initialism. I also changed the two instances of "LEDC countries" to "LEDC" since the former is redundant. --Birdhombre 03:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unexplained initialism 

message: This article contains large blocks of controversial material which lacks a reliable source, is biased and reads like an advertising campaign. It should be totally rewritten and provided with citations.Page Up 19:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you be more specific so that the problems may be resolved? —Pengo 01:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totally disputed 

message: This article is nonsense - get rid of it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.84.252.228 (talk) 11:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What specific problems do you have with the article? —Pengo 01:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't know why it's nonsense then you are the problem  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:6393:B201:454E:1ACD:3999:37E5 (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove this article 

message: "Unethical actions of which Nestlé has been accused
Nestlé has been accused by supporters of the boycott of unethical methods of promoting infant formula over breast-milk to poor mothers in third world countries.[citation needed] One major issue is passing out free powdered formula samples to mothers in hospitals.[citation needed] After leaving the hospital, these mothers' breasts will have ceased to produce milk due to the substitution of formula feeding for breastfeeding.[citation needed] This forces the continued use of formula, which can contribute to malnutrition,[citation needed] and under worsened sanitary conditions with contaminated water, often leading to diarrhea. UNICEF alleges this situation results in the deaths of about 1.5 million babies each year. The formula, which is no longer free after the mother leaves the hospital, can for some also put a significant strain on the family's budget."
I removed the above section because after every accusation it has 'citation needed'. Until such a time that citations are available this should not be re-added. I am all in favour of showing the media/organisations who condemn some of Nestle's actions but without referencing how are we expected to sort the unverifiable from the verifiable? If wanted I can try find some references but I will leave enough time for the orginal creator/people more involved in the article's field of work to try. ny156uk 21:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Section Removed

message: I think this kind of referencing makes Wiki look terrible.  They have/are repackaging their complimentary foods, and they have stated clearly that they support breastfeeding until at least 6 months which is what WHO and UNICEF recommend why is this so one sided. There should be more accurate information provided and if it is not cited then it should be removed.  If 1.5 Million babies die because they were formula feed Nestle, then maybe someone should make the note that they aren't using clean water, not using enought formula and feeding them with other alternatives.  Why is this not discussed?  The nurse at the hospital I gave birth said that 40% of women are unable to breast feed or choose not to, for various reasons so I am sure that there are 40% in developing countries.  With malnutrition there would some women that need to have an alternative and with mortality rates, unfortunately some babies won't make it.
Nicole, Mom in Canada
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thread_title:  Rediculous references 

message: :The claims include that Nestlé supports or has supported the distribution of free powdered formula samples to mothers in hospitals. After leaving the hospital, these mothers' breasts will have ceased to produce milk due to the substitution of formula feeding for breastfeeding.
Was this claim really made? It seems a bit bizzare to me at least as reported. I would presume most mothers in the developing world are not going to spend very long in hospital unless there were complications. I would guess something like 2-3 days would be something like the norm. While starting to breast feed after 2-3 days would I guess be harder then starting immedietly, would production really have ceased completely by this time? It sounds fairly fast to me... Nil Einne 09:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to IBFAN, "Supplementing breastfeeding interferes with lactation and makes an early end to breastfeeding more likely." Which is a bit less drastic than "ceasing to produce milk". I'll make a change to the wording. Fionah 10:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free formula 

message: I’ve made a number of changes to this article, I hope for the better! The main changes are to include references, some rephrasing and reorganizing for clarity, adding Nestlé’s own response to the allegations, plus some extra info about the boycott in the media. I have no connection with either Nestlé or the boycott advocacy organizations, although I did support the boycott in my student days. I think the following guidelines would be useful for keeping this article as NPOV as possible:
*If a claim is made by a boycott support organization, clearly state where that claim is coming from, e.g. by starting with "IBFAN claims…" or "UNICEF alleges… "
*Where relevant, include Nestlé’s response, again with appropriate attribution e.g. " Nestlé maintains…"
*Where possible, use the primary source for a claim rather than a quotation from a secondary source. For example, for "UNICEF claims that breast-fed infants are less likely to die of diarrhea", reference the UNICEF web page, not the Baby Milk Action web site where this is quoted. 
*Where possible, use neutral sources such as news reports or medical journals to support or refute claims. 
Also, the following information would enhance the article (if anyone can find it):
*The economic impact (if any) of the boycott
*The global spread of the boycott 
Looking forward to feedback. Fionah 17:33, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV and attribution of sources 

message: hey folks. i changed the words 'UNICEF alleges' to 'according to UNICEF' since the latter sounds more neutral.
99.233.152.171 (talk) 02:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  small POV correction made in main paragraph 

message: Please point out specific problems with the text. Which sentences/sections do you see as non-neutral? Refer to [Wikipedia:Neutral point of view] for details. Fionah (talk) 21:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV - be more specific 

message: Many references (links) do not work so there is a certain lack of evidential support.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.57.166.95 (talk) 16:19, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: This is a bit out of date now (2006), but no-one else seems to have found an actual UNICEF article stating the 1.5 million figure, which is here: .  Joejtait (talk) 20:28, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  UNICEF article stating 1.5 million figure 

message: This wikipedia page is a farce, it is clearly one-sided and makes the boycott look like a scam. Please edit accordingly, only for the sake of the campaign.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.143.111.220 (talk) 14:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: , could you be more specific? It's meant to be explanatory, not argue on behalf of either side. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 20:27, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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message: The fact that this kind of poorly written article is still on here after so many years shows why most people except for the people running this joint don't actually trust Wikipedia. Sad thing is that 90% of editors are actually good but 10% control it and ruin it and make it a laughing stock fort the world.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:6393:B201:454E:1ACD:3999:37E5 (talk) 23:35, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
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replies: text: Nestlé boycott →  – Nestlé has been subject to many boycotts. We need to be more specific here. Note that this name may also not be ideal as the boycott lasted longer (but the article is a mess and I am not sure all the boycotts described here are related to this one event...). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 22:34, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

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