Talk:Juggernaut

message: Could an admin place a sprotect on this page, as it's being repeatedly vandalised by an anonymous user wanting some clause about Tesco in here. --Oscarthecat 07:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not willing to sprotect the page and stop anyone from editing because of one user who isn't really reverting enough. Please continue to be vigilant and revert. I've added this page to my watchlist and will revert/block/sprotect as necessary. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 18:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, fair enough.  We've had to revert the same person from doing the same edit about 30 times this month.  It's rather tiresome.  Maybe they'll get bored soon. --Oscarthecat 19:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Administrator intervention requested

message: OK, well, I have a new plan. Anyone who adds references to the whole Tesco/Juggernaut thing should have a  template stuck on their talk page. Then if they add the reference again I'll block them. I don't care about timeframe here- if they've been warned once against this specific vandalism then they can be blocked, even if the two edits are months apart. What do you think of that, guys? Comments/suggestions? --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 08:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that there are only three individuals putting the Tescos line in.  One primary vandal posting from multiple  86.112.xxx.xxx IPs,  one anonymous user 213.40.131.66 who also characterized the Tescos removals as vandalism, and Carbonferum, whose heart was in the right place.  ~CS 09:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd do a range block but I can't block 65536 addresses... Hm. --Lord Deskana Dark Lord of the Sith 17:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 2 months now since the first report of vandalism, and it hasn't stopped yet. ?? Any new ideas? GourangaUK 11:34, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New plan to deal with this Tesco juggernaut stuff 

message: It's been over a month and they (or he) havn't stopped yet with vandalism. Why not just lock/protect the page and have done with it? They wimped out on the Tescos page after just one or two trys, but are obviously not going away from this one. If they have a BT broadband connection then the IP address will vary each time. 82.163.63.228 14:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: It amazes me that this conversation dates back to 2006. I just came across the article today. Seems like attempts to stop that particular edit failed. Would it be wise to make a small section of current-day uses of the word where it can go and be done with it? Aforementioned Starbucks, etc. Boter (talk) 03:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Still happening in 2009

message: This is a nice article, the Indian etymology of the word I never knew. I have lived in the UK for many a year, and have never heard anyone use 'Juggernaut' to describe a large truck - in the literal sense I mean, I am sure that the simile 'like a Juggernaut' has been used. I just think it is a shame that an otherwise relevant article has a picture of a truck due to some small section of the population of one small country that (apparently) uses this colloquialism. My 2c.
Edzillion 23:13, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You obviously never watched the very popular 1980s/90s children's TV show Pigeon Street, then! One of the major characters was a female lorry driver (then very unusual) and the song associated with her began: "Long distance Clara drives a juggernaut. Way down the motorway, to the busy port." As mentioned, this was a kids' programme, and so wouldn't have used deliberately obscure language. (I'm British, for what it's worth, and *do* use the word, albeit only very occasionally.) 81.159.58.45 (talk) 17:29, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I can't speak to the actual usage in the UK, but it doesn't belong in this article anyway, it belongs on the disambiguation page linked to from the top of the article along with every OTHER use of Juggernaut (there are lots) aside from the one referenced in this article. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 15:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I hadn't spotted it in the disambig page before. Gouranga(UK) 20:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

text: When modern semi-trailer trucks were introduced into Britain in the 1950's from the US,  they were much bigger than the old small British trucks and perceived as dangerous and likely to crush all before them,  and someone gave them this name derived from the Indian source.  This usage for large trucks was apparently common in the 1960's but now rather retro.  Large trucks were never called this in Australia,  when I got books and magazines sent from England when I was young,  it was just about the only word I didn't know.Eregli bob (talk) 09:38, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the 'Large Truck' reference 

message: Just to let you know , I don't  think that pronunciation sound file is  quite complete , kind of cuts short.
19:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked this out and confirm the clip is rather short but it plays fine of some of my audio applications. - phi (talk) 16:49, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  copied from the article (concerning pronounciation) 

message: How is this a logical fallacy? 68.84.224.36 (talk) 22:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fallacy? 

message: I'm British. Age 55.
The word is common parlance for a very large truck or 'lorry'.
Must have been in use for at least 30 or 40 years in this context.
A juggernaut is a genuine, if slang, synonym for a large haulage vehicle. 
The ref to Tesco however in the UK is simply generic, applying to any overwhelming force, and is not at all particular to Tesco in British usage.
Steve A.
Yorkshire
England  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.191.246 (talk) 16:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While I agree there is a degree of British bias, your statement: "The outside world could hardly have been blamed for such beliefs, given the bizarre and often bloody rituals of the Hindu devoted," is the most biased uneducated thing I've read in a long time.24.190.34.219 (talk) 01:41, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  British usage 

message: This page needs to be linked to ram, battering ram, and irresistible force.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petsteph (talk • contribs) 14:41, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to take care of this while touching up the article.- phi (talk) 18:39, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  links 

message: There were just too many "says who" notes in here.  I cannot believe all that skepticism is healthy.  For example, there should be no need to question the consensus of a midnineteenth-century date for the figurative sense of this, since it is such a widely researched word.  I hope I have improved on the article and hope you all will improve more on my improvements. - phi (talk) 18:35, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excess skepticism 

message: I hope, of course, that the story of devotees throwing themselves under the wheels is apocryphal.  The word 'apocryphal', though, is not supported by the linked source, which says "European travelers recounting this event told tales of worshippers being crushed in the chariot's path. Such stories were likely exaggerated, but accidents are reportedly common and occasionally pilgrims seized with religious frenzy may try to hurl themselves beneath the wagon's wheels."  Perhaps the line should be changed to "an allegorical reference to the Hindu Ratha Yatra temple car, which  was reputed, possibly apocryphally, to crush devotees under its wheels.  (I also wonder if a tertiary source like marthabarnette.com is an adequate source for Wiki).  --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 02:05, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "apocryphally" 

message: There is a disconnect between the following two statements:
:The figurative sense of the English word, with the idea of "something that demands blind devotion or merciless sacrifice" became common in the mid-nineteenth century. For example, it was used to describe the out-of-control character Hyde in Robert Louis Stevenson's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
This suggests that Stevenson's use of the word was related to the foregoing sense. In fact Stevenson uses the word to describe Hyde knocking over a young girl while running at speed:
:"...the man trampled calmly over the child's body and left her screaming on the ground. It sounds nothing to hear, but it was hellish to see. It wasn't like a man; it was like some damned Juggernaut."
:"...that human juggernaut trod the child down and passed on regardless of her screams"
This is closer to the definition of juggernaut as a mercilessly destructive and unstoppable force than anything to do with blind devotion or sacrifice.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccferrie (talk • contribs) 11:01, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jekyll & Hyde reference 

message: Not sure how to do this, but I'll just try opening this discussion and if it's bad procedure it'll get torpedoed or ignored and I won't be offended - please comment and discuss - Wikipedia is not the place for research but it is a good place to work on collecting known facts. OK, in thinking about the topic of "Juggernaut", I find a correlation between the ancient religious practice of a large cart carrying a figure (idol or govt. officer) and the modern army tank. I think anciently they used to build armored towers on wheels which could be rolled forward to attack a fortress. It could also be used against infantry or cavalry. The game of chess is an ancient battle simulation, and one of the pieces is the rook, which is shaped like a little armored tower, and in fact the king can run over and get "in" it for safety, and it also moves toward him to facilitate this. I think that ancient civilizations had these towers in war, and they paraded them at festivals etc. with maybe the king riding up there, to emphasize his power, which ultimately derived from military might. I seem to remember reading about the Romans using moving towers like this. DaVinci drew plans for an armored tank, and modern warfare has evolved in that direction. Is it possible this was not an entirely original invention in DaVinci's time? Can anyone provide further correlations or verfification? Would it be good to add some words or links or something, to note such correlations if we can identify them? It's obvious to me that some discussion here on the talk page would be less intrusive than just modifying the article. Friendly Person (talk) 18:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a relationship?