Talk:Mark Mangino

message: I removed the player and 2 game accomplishments, they are too fan-like informational tidbits.  They might be able to be added back under a different context, but accomplishments that are only recognized by Mangino's fans are hard to be seen as unbiased information.  National Championships, Bowl Games, All Americans, etc. would be appropriate. --Radioshack 21:37, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably not reasonable to cite my edit summaries as "proof" that the inclusion of the information violates NPOV either - consider if the creator of the September 11 attacks had left a comment like "what a horrible act" - would the information still not be verifiable and encyclopedic? ESkog | Talk 23:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

text: The edit summary was support, not proof. The 9/11 example is extreme. --Radioshack 00:05, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

text: *The page as it exists now looks like a good compromise. Thanks. ESkog | Talk 00:13, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I removed this alias in the lead because no news article refers to Mangino as "the mangenius". A Google News search verifies this. It looks like only forums and blogs (very few of them, in fact) call him "the mangenius", according to this Google search. I don't think this is sufficient to add that he is "sometimes called the mangenius" to the article. BlueAg09 (Talk) 16:58, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Mangenius"

message: i cant tell if these IP edits are vandalism anymore or if they are updating the stats. before it was obvious, now not so much without researching. Matthew Brandon Yeager 07:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP edits 

message: It is inaccurate to state that Mangino's 2007 team finished 2nd in the Big XII North. Missouri and Kansas both finished 7-1, and the conference does not break ties when awarding division championships; thus, both teams tied for first place. (ESkog)(Talk) 13:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: An additional source is here:  - see page 9 for the Big 12's official statement that KU claimed a share of the division title. I don't want to link it in the article since the link will die when the next "weekly" release comes out sometime in the offseason. (ESkog)(Talk) 21:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I deteled the blue line from the 2007 season.  Call it a tie if you want, (which is BS), but don't call it a division championship.  KU didn't play in the championship game, how can they be champions of their division?  Call it a tie, fine.  Look at the Bill Snyder page.  in 1999, K-State tied with Nebraska for the north, but lost head to head.  It's tie, not a divsion championship.Topgun530 (talk) 21:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Per the BIg 12, the governing factor in the matter. KU was divisional Co-Champion. The post-season has no bearing on the regular season. This would be like saying in basketball that the regular season co-champ wasn't champ because they didn't get the #1 seed in the big 12 tournament, and yet everyone recognizes regular season co-championships in basketball. There shouldn't be a double standard. When it comes down to it, it is the decision of the Big 12, and they say KU was co-division champ, so that should be reflected here. If removing it from the KU page, then it should be removed from the MU page as well Ryan2845 (talk) 21:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Also, Kstate proudly displays their division co-championship trophy right on the bottom of their webpage . So if the athletic departments are showing off the trophies, then I see no problem with reflecting the co-championship on wikipedia. Ryan2845 (talk) 21:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which they shouldn't do.  It is BS.  The Big 12 sucks like that.Topgun530 (talk) 22:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not just the big 12, SEC also recognizes co-champs for example. Their wiki articles recognize the divisional co-championships as well List of SEC Conference Champions#Football. As do the related coaches, see Ron Zook#Head_coaching_record in 2003 when they tied but didn't go to the championship game. Ryan2845 (talk) 23:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finish in division 

message: The new section that goes into long detail about the previous season is way, way too long and it is filled with personal commentary of a particular Wikipedian. It needs to be trimmed down and made more professional sounding.--InaMaka (talk) 23:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The new section  

message: Magino wasn't fired. He resigned I have the source.
http://www.kuathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/120309aaa.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.61.17.62 (talk) 01:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference in the article is missing the trailing "l" Tehgrue (talk) 03:45, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resignation 

message: I deleted this section as it was largely speculative and unsourced.  One opinion from one columnist that included no quotes and only speculation about Mangino's weight and it's affect on his job performance simply isn't enough documentation to warrant this section.  Find independent sourcing that Mangino's weight is impacting his performance, or affecting his relationship with the school's AD or alumni, and then this might be valid.Jakzhumans (talk) 14:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. It is valid under WP:RS, and thus a valid edition udner WP:BLP. I personally do not agrew witht he assertions but our job as wikipedia editors is not to materials that find basis in legitimate sources. Remember, truth is not the basis for inclusion, verifiability is. The article and the statements of the author--a respected journalist--are verifiable and, yes, ARE independent. Additionally, his article amde national headlines. I personally think you should rethink your stance. Hotdoggin1 (talk) 16:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand your point, but I disagree with it.  The only sources provided were a message board, which is clearly not a valid source, and an opinion columnist.  Whitlock is not "a respected journalist", he's a respected columnist who is paid to write his opinion, not facts, which is what he did in the sourced column.  In addition, neither source supported the author's assertion that KU alumni are concerned about Mangino's weight affecting his job performance or the school's image.  The fact of his obesity is obvious, by the effect of that obesity on his job performance was simply not supported by the sources provided.Jakzhumans (talk) 13:43, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Agreed, I have no issue with commentary on his weight itself. As it is a well documented subject of concern. But getting into whether or not people respect him or not is not something that belongs on wiki. Especially not with a message board source. Not to mention an opinoin columnists estimation of his weight does not belong here. Ryan2845 (talk) 18:30, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the current Obesity section is inappropriate in at least two respects.  First, the wording is non-specific.  His obesity is a concern?  Fine, to whom?  When were they concerned?  Where is the documentation supporting this assertion?  "At times"?  Again, when?  List the times and who was concerned at those times.  If it's impacted his job duties, find a source that says this is definitely the case.  If it's prevented him from gaining the respect of players and fans, provide valid sources from players and fans that state that.  "Some columnists", plural?  Name one other than Whitlock.  The second problem is that Whitlock is the only source provided, and the author himself clearly states that Whitlock "feels" that Mangino's weight is a problem.  I simply don't believe that one columnist's "feelings" about any subject are sufficient grounds to change an encyclopedia entry.  I just don't see how this section, as currently written and sourced, meets any WP standard.  Please provide some rationale for keeping this series of generalized statements that are supported only by a single opinion piece.Jakzhumans (talk) 13:58, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is directed at me, feel free to change it however you like. I was simply trying to wikify the even worse content that was already added, which I originally removed entirely. I provide no rationale for any of the above because it is not my addition, merely my attempt at cleanup. The original content was in far worse form. Ryan2845 (talk) 16:55, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, sorry, that wasn't directed at you.  Those are questions for the original author, who has made several attempts to insert a section on Mangino's obesity into the article without properly sourcing it and with a lot of general, speculative language that's not appropriate.  I've modified the section heavily, to make it clear that it is only mentioned in relation to the ongoing internal investigation, and that it's a matter of opinion only at this point, since Whitlock's opinion piece is the only source available on the subject.Jakzhumans (talk) 17:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obesity 

message: I edited this to be more clear about the timeframes involved and the incidents in question.  I think this is a more accurate representation of the investigations and makes it clear that they were from unrelated incidents separated by a couple of years.Jakzhumans (talk) 14:33, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internal Investiations 

message: I think it would be best if the page was protected by a non-biased Wikipedia admin, rather than ESkog.  Skuggy does good work, but it terribly biased towards all things KU.  Just let someone else protect the page during these 'interesting' times for Kansas University.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.76.96.23 (talk) 15:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection by a KU fan

message: Firstnof all there is a conflict between the article and info box as to place of birth. Someone who knows should correct the erroneous one. Secondly, the lede states that he "is" an American football coach, yet apparently he does not currently hold a coaching position. If he is not currently coaching, shouldn't this be in the past tense? Wschart (talk) 14:21, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A couple of questions 

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