Talk:Isabel Allende

message: There should be an article about Isabel Allende, Salvador A.'s daughter, who is not identical with the famous author I.A.
She holds a seat in Chile's parliament, and was elected its president in March 2003.She also worked as a pilot for the U.S navy she has served our nation, theefore, deserves the gold medal that the dutchess or austria has awarded her with for her courages act.
--zeno 23:45, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: The two Isabel Allendes

message: "On September 11 that same year, her cousin was overthrown ..."
If Isabel Allende's father was a cousin of Salvador Allende, how can also Isabel be a cousin of Salvador Allende then?
:According to "Vida y espiritus," the book by Isabel Allende Llona and Celia Correas Zapata, Tomás Allende Pesce de Bilbaire (Isabel Allende's father) was the cousin of Salvador Allende.  This would make Isabel Allende the first cousin, once removed of Salvador Allende. --Susanjb 18:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone who is a daughter of a cousin would be a first cousin, once removed of her father's cousin. I've verified it in the recent newspaper article.  (RossF18 17:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, as I did further looking into it, there seemed to be a variation from newspaper to newspaper and from website to website. There seems to be a consensus that Isabel's father was Salvador's cousin, which would make Isabel first cousin, once removed as mentioned previously. However, there are sources that refer to Salvador as her uncle. I've tried to clarify the dispute a bit but if it's still unclear, please help me out. Also, she might have said that he was her uncle just for the ease of it. It's much easier to say "oh, he was my uncle" or "I'm his niece" than to say, "oh, he was my first cousin, once removed" etc. At least that's my theory. There is also the possibility of cultural effect in many countries having younger people refer to their close family elders as uncle or auntie, even though they might be actually cousins several generations removed.--RossF18 23:06, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, this is both a cultural and a lingual thing.  In Latin American Spanish, at least (I make no claims as to that of Spain) there is no word to differentiate an uncle from an older cousin: both are "tio". Enchanting catalyst (talk) 20:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In Spain we do have two different words: Tíos/primos segundos. Maybe somebody should write a note on the article, because as it is, saying that 'in Spanish it means something while in English it means something else', will not make any sense whatsoever to most people in Spain.  19:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cousin 

message: based on recent recent informations, it has been found out, that Salvador Allende definitely commited suicide, while the junta was besieging LA Moneda. This information is based on the old confirmation of his doctor and recent confirmation of S. Allende's bodyguard, who was the last man who had seen him.
--Upsala 11:58, 29 Aug 2005
Salvador Allende certainly killed himself, with a machine gun given him by Fidel Castro. It was terrible.
This is amply described in a book by Monica Gonzalez, La Conjura, Ediciones B, Santiago 2000. The book includes a copy of the coroner's report as well a report by his personal doctor, who found him with the top of his head blown off, rifle between his knees. (The cornoner's report also clarifies that he was NOT drunk as rightists claim, but was sober.) 
dermota 15 Nov 2005
It has recently been stated, according to a report in a Colombian magazine (I forget which one), that Allende, seeing his position was hopeless, wanted to surrender, but that one of his Cuban advisers, wishing him to be seen as a martyr, killed him.
Alloco1 01:35, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's nonsense... you can't be serious. --194.203.215.254 (talk) 16:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  S.Allende's Dead 

message: Why does the article say she is a lesbian writer and then go on to talk it her current husband?
:vandalism maybe?? --CesarCossio 01:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lesbian? 

message: if she was born in Peru why does it say she is Chilean?? i know she spent most of her life in Chile but shouldn't be "peruvian" instead of "chilean" ?? --CesarCossio 01:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because she was the daughter of a Chilean ambassador. Children of diplomatic staff on foreign duty inherit the nationality of their parent (if the local law has a ius solis principle they could take the local nationality too, but the other one is guaranteed). baloo_rch 02:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Suplementary information: Chilean law recognises also the citizenship to children of Chilean parents. For example, current minister Ricardo Lagos Weber was born in the United States and i remember the case of a Chilean football player that was borned in Australia. baloo_rch 02:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is, born in Chile. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

text: To our peruvian friend Cesar: If you were born in an Airplane over the ocean, lets say, in a Lufthansa... is your nationality then Lufthansian? Sure silly, but maybe the correct level to the question ;D --194.203.215.254 (talk) 16:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What matters to us is that she is known as a Chilean writer. Thanks, SqueakBox 16:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peruvian?? 

message: The House of the Spirits article claims that her grandfather was 90 in 1981, while this one says 99. Which one is right?
The book by Mary Main agrees with this article. The lower figure is probably an error. Das Baz 16:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grandfather's Age

message: Paula died not so much of her illness as of the improper medical treatment given her. The same can be said of George Washington and Alvin Smith. Das Baz 16:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The cause of Paula's death

message: Can someone confirm the name of the children's magazine, as I have my doubts it is called Genitals. But it may be?
:That's vandalism. --RossF18 23:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adult Life  

message: Spanish literature is that which is of Spanish origin.  As Allende is not Spanish, the article should mention her influence on Latin-American literature, and not keep referring to her as a Spanish writer.  DUH!Wuapinmon (talk) 01:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She writes in Spanish, not Latin American and her influence is on the entire Spanish speaking world which is referred to as the Spanish world. Latin American literature is written in Spanish and her impact extends to everyone who reads the language, thus Spanish literature. Her being Latin American has nothing to do with who she influences. Just like someone like Mark Twain or Hemingway or Shakespeare made an impact on then entire English literature which includes every English speaker, including U.K. and Australia, so does Allende impacts everyone who can read Spanish originals (not that I'm comparing any particular author to another at this point so please do not zero in on this sentence to pick apart my completely different point). Also, please remain polite. Your "Duh" comment was not helpful and insulting. We appologize for offending you and forcing you resort to "DUH." Also, if you like to discuss it, please, let's do that. Don't just change it without discussing first. --RossF18 (talk) 03:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

text: P.S. and last time I checked, the Spanish that is spoken and written in Latin America is of Spanish origin, so the literatue would also be of Spanish origin. If you, on the other hand, trying to make a point that Spanish literature can only come from one country, Spain, we can discuss that point separately. But, Spanish origin extends to the entire Latin American Spanish speaking world (as distinguished from Latin American native american population authors). --RossF18 (talk) 03:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, I've since realized my folly (a few minutes after I posted in fact as evidenced by the current edit per your post).--RossF18 (talk) 03:40, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish or Latin American influence?

message: I removed these two sentences from the article:
"(I think it would also be wise to mention here that her uncle Salvador Allende died during this military coup of 1973 under very controversial circumstances. Most believe that he was assasinated.)"
First, any "it would be wise to mention" comment belongs on the talk page, not in the article.  Second, claims like "Most believe that he was assassinated" are virtually impossible to verify, even with an outside source. Third, this statement is at variance with the Wikipedia article Death of Salvador Allende.  Fourth, it is of doubtful relevance to discuss in this article the extent to which the exact, unknown, cause of the fatal gunshot wound of the article's subject's first cousin once removed is believed to be assassination.Daqu (talk) 08:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "(I think it would be wise to mention . . .)" ???

message: Can we have a page number for the following sentence's citation, please. Thanks.
Literary critic Harold Bloom concurs with Bolaño that Allende is a bad writer, and adds that she only reflects a determinate period.
The source provided is just the book - a page number for verification would be helpful, especially given the actual wording of the criticism. --RossF18 (talk) 00:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont think that this >>"Allende, Isabel (Vol. 170) - Introduction." Contemporary Literary Criticism. Ed. Janet Witalec. Vol. 170. Gale Cengage, 2003. eNotes.com. 2006. 22 Oct, 2009 [http://www.enotes.com/contemporary-literary-criticism/
allende-isabel]<< source is good or acceptable because of WP:SELFPUB. Where in the webpage does is the author of the citic mentioned? Is this author relevant is it a seflpublication? Dentren | Talk 20:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, I agree with this.  Of course, NPOV doesn't mean that an article shouldn't say a writer is bad, if that is the critical consensus.  It just means that articles should accurately reflect that scholarly consensus.  And in Allende's case, though she does indeed have her critics, there are plenty who defend and even champion her work.  That side of things should be reflected, too.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 23:39, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's what I meant. Of course, if everyone agreed that Allende was a bad writer, it wouldn't be NPOV - just scholarly consensus. But I don't think there is a consensus on that point. I've tried moving some sentences from the "Career" section from the "Latino Leaders" source which provides some positive opinion of her work, but I'm not sure how authoratative a critique that is - as the statements appear more fan based. I hope we can find more statements from her fellow authors and literary critics (from both sides). --RossF18 (talk) 00:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism Section

message: Jbmurray recently deleted a large section of the literary criticm section because according to him, the source was "terrible." How is enotes.com - which provides a fairly good discription of the works and critism "terrible" but a source that is a deadlink/not accessable and a source that is non-verifable any better. By Jbmurray's reasoning, the entire Critism section aside from 2 or 3 lines should be deleted per being a "terrible" source. A source is a source and I happen to think that enotes.com is a good source. So, if Jbmurray disagrees, the least he could do is debate the issue before unilateral deletions.--RossF18 (talk) 12:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont think that this >>"Allende, Isabel (Vol. 170) - Introduction." Contemporary Literary Criticism. Ed. Janet Witalec. Vol. 170. Gale Cengage, 2003. eNotes.com. 2006. 22 Oct, 2009 [http://www.enotes.com/contemporary-literary-criticism/
allende-isabel]<< source is good or acceptable because of WP:SELFPUB. Where in the webpage does is the author of the citic mentioned? Is this author relevant is it a seflpublication? Dentren | Talk 20:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletions of Jbmurray

message: The current literary criticism section has a large NPOV problem. As I hope most of the editors understand - literary criticism is in no way shape or form means the normal meaning of "criticism", i.e., "you're bad." Literary criticism is more of an analysis of Allende's writing, both good and bad. At present, it would appear that everyone thinks that Allende is just a popular writer whose writing is trash and is like a “dying person.” I wish I was exaggerating. I hope no one’s telling me that there isn’t any writer or critic in the literary world who thinks that Allende’s writing is at least above a “dying person” level. I hope that there are some writers out there, both in Latin America and in the rest of the world who think well of Allende’s writing. Well, that needs to be included, because without some balance, the current section is NPOV. --RossF18 (talk) 22:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree with this.  Of course, NPOV doesn't mean that an article shouldn't say a writer is bad, if that is the critical consensus.  It just means that articles should accurately reflect that scholarly consensus.  And in Allende's case, though she does indeed have her critics, there are plenty who defend and even champion her work.  That side of things should be reflected, too.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 23:39, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's what I meant. Of course, if everyone agreed that Allende was a bad writer, it wouldn't be NPOV - just scholarly consensus. But I don't think there is a consensus on that point. I've tried moving some sentences from the "Career" section from the "Latino Leaders" source which provides some positive opinion of her work, but I'm not sure how authoratative a critique that is - as the statements appear more fan based. I hope we can find more statements from her fellow authors and literary critics (from both sides). --RossF18 (talk) 00:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV Problems

message: It's been said that per WP:CRITS, criticism sections should be integrated into the article. Do you think that is meant for just politicans and would authors be different given that it's more likely that their criticism sections are more literary in nature as opposed to political criticism? If the two types of criticism  sections (in my opinion) are not different in nature, then we should really start to integrate the criticism into the article itself. Just putting it out there for discussion.--RossF18 (talk) 20:04, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section integration  

message: There is all sorts of idiocy afoot in this article, with vandals hitting it almost daily it seems. Can we get maybe a little protection? --24.130.4.130 (talk) 18:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good, but can you point to specific vandalism that's repeated?--RossF18 (talk) 22:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: In the introduction it says "Having adopted American citizenship in 2003". Later, in the Current Life section, it says "In 1995, Allende obtained United States citizenship". Which one is correct?  Malakin CM (talk) 03:42, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizenship date 

message: It is important to amke it clear to our readers that she writes in Spanish to avoid our readers being confused, as I certainyl would have been if I hadnt known the author, reverting this is simply incomprehensible, please explain. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 15:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish language

message: I've tagged a "block quote" with . The article says that IA "is quoted as saying" these words, but actually they are only a summary of part of the cited page. The quote either needs a new source, or this part of the article needs to be reworked. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:12, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote from interviews_articles.htm 

message: So Harold Bloom says Isabel Allende will be forgotten? In 2005, he predicted Harry Potter would be forgotten in a couple of years. Oh, what an astute predictor. I predict Harold Bloom will be a bad and distant memory while we happy multitudes will still be enjoying J. K. Rowling and Isabel Allende in centuries and millennia to come.  Das Baz, aka Erudil 17:15, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harold, Harry and Isabel 

message: This list is widely cited in the article.  We should be able to find an online version. The 2012 version is here (http://latinoleaders.com/2012/10/24/the-101/) - warning attempts to run some unrestricted java stuff. Rich Farmbrough, 02:45, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Top Latinos

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message: Soul of a Woman (Mujeres del alma mía) seems to be the latest book. --katpatuka (talk) 14:40, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soul of a Woman 

message: The header has this: "Chilean [5][6]". Of those [5] quoted in the sources section tells only about her American citizenship. If that is the only reference from that source I don't see the relevance. 213.28.228.216 (talk) 00:18, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chilean vs sources 

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