Talk:Harvey Bialy

message: I'm trying to verify some of the information listed in this article. In the article it says that Dr. Bialy is a visiting scholar in the IBT in Cuernavaca, however I extensively searched the IBT website, and could not find any listing of him among the personel or anywhere. A google search of the site revealed only 3 links, 2 of which was a listing of an editorial which he co-wrote with IBT investigator Roberto Stock and another was a hidden link to a page selling a CD-ROM by Dr. Bialy. The page for the Virtual Library of Biothechnology...etc does not list him as director either. So I'm assuming that Dr. Bialy has moved on to something else, unless someone can confirm this I will change the article to reflect this. The article also mentioned he is the author of numerous research articles in peer-reviewed journals, but a PubMed search only finds a bunch of editorials and then only 6 original research articles in which he is listed as an author, the last one being from 1986.  Nrets 13:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no mention of this on the IBT website, nor in the VLBA. Could you please provide an external source to confirm this? The IP address that edited this originates from Uruguay, not the UNAM, so I don't even believe you are actually Harvey Bialy. Nrets 14:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The email I sent to the address provided was returned as undeliverable. So no, I do not think you are Harvey Bialy, and not I do not think he is part of the IBT, there is no mention of him in the IBT directory nor ANY secondary source other than an outdated CV in the bialystocker website. The VLBA page lists Zaida Penton and Shirley Ainsworth as directors. For whatever reason, whoever you are, you seem bent on promoting this guy but not providing any accurate source. Nrets 15:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If only you were so insisting of evidence with regard to HIV... 64.185.56.232 21:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: You can spew all the insults you want, the fact is is that you are not listed as a member of the IBT and that's that, and maybe IBT or UNAM does not care enough to correct a self-promoting WP page. Finally, Ainsworth 'is' listed as being in charge of the VLBA  Nrets 17:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: NRETS -- a single phone call or email to a real live, human being who has access to the information would verify or refute the claim immediately. It would be a trivial task in the course of work for a journalist. Surely, it's not too much effort for "you". And Nrets, it's quite comical to see you write things like, "no, I do not think you're Bialy"... hee-hee 64.185.56.232 21:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've sent an email to the Personnel office at the IBT, which will settle this once and for all. I'm basically trying to confirm everything in the article, and all I get is a barrage from insults from both User:Revolver and someone who is allegedly Harvey Bialy. I will not let your bullying tactics keep me away. Nrets 21:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You get a barrage of insults from me and Dr.Bialy because you go and remove things before actually trying to verify whether they're true or not, things we KNOW are true. Besides, your subtle little POV changes "a handful of papers" and so on. And how you think the internet, google, and PubMed are the ultimate sources of journalistic verification is beyond comprehension. 64.185.56.232 22:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Let's be frank, Nrets. You're picking on this article because it prominently displays a "denialist" with tons of street cred. The usual policy at Wikipedia for a while has been, when confronted with "unverified" info, to leave "citation" tags, and if necessary, a template indicating that the article needs citations and references to validate information. You don't just go in and start rewriting stuff because you "think" it's not true. 64.185.56.232 22:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: And I would think that *assuming* previous editors have knowingly contributed false info and even questioning the identity of a contributor is hardly Wikipedia good faith. 64.185.56.232 22:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Why don't you go pick on Alfred_Mirsky?? It hasn't got a single referenced fact on it. 64.185.56.232 22:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not assuming false info was knowingly added. I am suggesting the article is out of date, and incredibly POV'd.  I could go on and on as to why this article is POV, but I think you get my point from my edits. Also note that I have not, at any time personally insulted anyone unlike you and Dr. Bialy, who seem to be quick with the insults but slow with actual responses. Finally, I did not change the article until I posted my concerns in this talk page first, for several days, which went unresponded. Nrets 00:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll wait for an official reply, but again, Dr. Bialy seems to be listed as an "ex-collaborator and/or ex-student" at the IBC, see here . Nrets 01:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, according to their website. Trezatium 20:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact Checking 

message: First,  I had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of my Wikpedia page, and until a few days ago, when I learned that an internet character identified only as “Nrets” had been willy-nilly altering my hard earned professional accomplishments, almost nothing to do with its content. After learning of this interference, I re-edited the page, and in the “Discussion” section of the Wiki left what should have been sufficient data to satisfy whatever the burning desires for accuracy were that drove him to his  mistaken “correction”. Alas, it was not to be, and by the time *you* read this, I have no idea whether the entry will be accurate as it is *now*, or whether Nrets or someone else will have altered it once again.
As has been noted in many venues, this free for all editing of Wikis can be problematic. In the case of relatively non-controversial pages,  web-selection appears to work, and quite well. However, when the entry involves an exceedingly (although I have no idea why) controversial issue such as the HIV/AIDS hypothesis and its critics, such malfeasance is not only to be expected, but it appears unavoidable.
Por ejemplo, someone might write "Bialy received his Nobel in Literature in the same year Duesberg was awarded his in Medicine. But as they were both rainbow bodies by then, they declined to be present in Stockholm or even send video of their acceptance speeches."
Because of this, someone had the idea to create an  AIDS Wiki that would be impeccably moderated. I suggest that anyone who wishes up to date and accurate information about the critics and the critique of what Kary Mullis (Nobel Laureate in Chemistry 1993, and inventor of PCR) called “the worst hypothesis in the history of medical science”, visit it before taking any other action. Harvey Bialy, Cuernavaca, 22 de Mayo 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.185.56.232 (talk • contribs) .
:The above comments were orignally cut from Bialy's website and pasted into the article; 64.185.56.232 then cut them from the article and pasted them here. Trezatium 12:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments from Bialy 

message: The insertion of the "debate with Nick Bennett" is inappropriate. First of all, it was not a debate with NB at all. Secondly, Bialy has had a lot of internet discussions such as this, and none of them are listed here. There were many other participants in this reference, and so the forum was hardly particular to Bialy at all. As such it has been removed two times now.
If whoever keeps adding this ref insists it belongs here, we can add the "mother of all bllog books", which is  more useful to the casual reader as it was compiled, edited, and introduced by a professional editor, poet and philosopher, Dr. Charles Stein, from eleven days of continuous (24/7) 'discussion' at Dean's World. It can be found at Bialy's page on the AIDS WIKI. 198.175.175.114 18:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insertion of "debate with Nick Bennett" as an external link

message: I see the categorization of Bialy in Category:Poets was readded. Bialy is not exceptionally noted as a poet. He is noted as a scientist and AIDS dissident. For Wikipedia purposes, that should be the focus of the article. It's fine to leave the description and link in the article, but he should be removed from Category:Poets; he is not notable enough as a poet for inclusion in Wikipedia. MastCell 00:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poetry, etc 

message: I can no longer find any reference to Bialy on the UNAM website, he has been removed from the list of investigators and his page - linked to in the Wikipedia entry - is now blank. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.108.115.49 (talk • contribs).
:I've tagged the relevant reference - perhaps someone can provide info on why the page is blank, or will look into it soon. MastCell 20:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: UNAM website

message: I've reverted the recent edit by , because it is unsourced. As potentially harmful information, Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living people demands that we have a verifiable, reliable source for such information. Iago4466, if you can provide such a source, the material can be reinstated. Thanks. MastCell 04:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for leaving UNAM 

message: The implication that Bialy was hurriedly "disassociated" from UNAM needs a [[WP:RS|reliable source. Until there's a source, it can't go in, per WP:BLP. Also, per WP:EL, one external link to the dissident AIDS wiki is sufficient (in fact, it probably falls under "Links to be avoided" entirely). With reference to Bialy's book, an ISBN link is appropriate, but a link to a commerical bookseller (Barnes/Noble) is not. External links to blogs are generally to be avoided. Hence the edits. MastCell 18:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Policy 

message: The quotes are sourced. I don't know how you use SECONDARY sources to "verify a quote is significant and representative". The former is a subjective determination, anyway, and can't be settled by "sources". The fact that the founding scientific editor of one of the world's most respected biotechnology journals is saying such things would seem to make them "significant" on face. As for the latter, all one has to do is note the scientific biography of Duesberg... if that doesn't satisfy you, I don't know what would, as far as being "representative" (??). 68.35.72.13 13:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Secondary sources to verify quotes are significant and representative?" 

message: :(copied from WP:AN/I per Jkelly's excellent advice)--AnonEMouse (squeak) 14:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do note this at Talk:Harvey Bialy, because someone else may take this to Wikipedia:Copyright problems thinking that the problem in on our end.  Jkelly 23:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia's content is freely available to be copied under the GFDL, as is that of the AIDSWiki. The problem is that the content cannot be copied into a news story or press release which is then "copyright PrimeNewsWire". If the text is reused, it must remain freely available. MastCell Talk 17:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Technical note: Mast cells do not secrete IgE. MastCell Talk 20:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  News service copying Wikipedia article verbatim 

message: We do not allow POV forks.  We do not allow them even if hosted offsite.  The AIDSwiki link is just a way to get round WP:NPOV, it is not a reliable source per our attribution policy and I see no reason to link it. The article makes it perfectly clear that Bialy rejects the scientific consensus, we don't need to see a more sympathetic article in order to understand that. Guy (Help!) 16:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AIDSwiki 

message: You would think... with ALL the copious time and effort devoted to all the minutiae of this article, that a simple thing like date and place of birth would have been added by now, given that it's been in everyone's face for days now. Another reason I feel that all the attention paid here has jack-squat to do with "NPOV" or "Wikipedia policies" and everything to do with Harvey being a dissident. So, I'm going to go ahead and add it...BTW, it's "And FYI, I was born in NYC, in 1945, much easier facts to find than all the misinformation you manage to unearth about my professional life. Bialy, Cuernavaca" available at Talk:Harvey Bialy#"Founding scientific editor"? 68.35.72.13 22:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of birth missing / Year of birth missing 

message: Describing the Presidential AIDS Advisory Council as "controversial" is not POV. The panel was controversial, as attested to by the cited source as well as dozens of other reliable sources which I'd be happy to cite. Describing something that was controversial as "controversial", with a source to back it up, is not POV. MastCell Talk 21:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Controversial" 

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