Talk:Army Reserve (United Kingdom)

message: An employer has a legal obligation to hold open a ta soldiers job for his return, they are only legally allowed to fire him/her if that person had volunteered for service ( and been stupid enough to tell them they had volunteered). The employer is compensated by the mod for removing employees from work.
- This is correct. I have amended the text --80.168.164.39 12:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I've split a chunk of this article off into Territorial Force, where the early form can be dealt with in more detail... Shimgray | talk | 18:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Territorial Force 

message: I think it might be worth mentioning the First Aid Nursing Yeomanry or at least adding it to the 'see also' list. While it's technically a civilian charity, it is run along the lines of a TA unit and has worked with the TA for a long time. Thoughts? Objections?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.77.3.226 (talk) 09:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FANYs 

message: Can we have a disambiguation page with a link leading to Indian territorial army. 203.200.35.32 (talk) 15:21, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Indian Territorial Army]] 

message: The Floral Clock in Princes Street Gardens, Edinburgh is currently designed in celebration of 100 years of the TA. I uploaded this image in case it may be relevant to add to the article. There are not many pictures in the article anyway so it may be nice to add. --Delta-NC (talk) 00:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  100 Years of the TA 

message: The article says TA soilders are paid at same as there equivelent regular counter parts.  THis is no longer the case as all TA pay for this year has stoped and units are expected to train for free.   WHat is the best way to incluse this in the article Stupidstudent (talk) 23:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  TA pay 

message: could someone tell me what age anyone can join up to  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.136.183.184 (talk) 19:40, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  maximum age  

message: http://www.serfca.org/Portals/0/Images/f/SUMMARY%20OF%20A2020%20RESERVE%20STRUCTURE%20AND%20BASING%20CHANGES.pdf
units using above link.Phd8511 (talk) 15:45, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Update 

message: should this not now change to Army Reserve considering that is now the term moving forward and all insignia/use of TA to disappear by Xmas?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.130.246 (talk) 14:56, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any authoritive links/sources which describe this in detail? If the term Territorial Army is to be dropped, no renaming should be done until that happens. Articles shouldn't be renamed preemptively. The term is still in use here: Territorial and Reserves. --Danrok (talk) 17:12, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  ArmrReserve 

message: Speaking as an alien (AUS, still bitter and twisted!), I fail to see the relationship between Transcatheter aortic valve repair (TAVR), as mentioned above the lead, and the UK Army Reserve. Could somebody explain it, please (puzzled colonial)Lexysexy (talk) 06:12, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The hatnote was added because TAVR redirects to this article. As noted in the Lead sentence, a previous name for the Army Reserve is Territorial and Army Volunteer Reserve (TAVR). I've used the correct hatnote to make the clear. (Former colonial whose country fought to free itself from the UK because of taxation without representation, and won. But after 230 years, we find taxation isn't any better even with representation!) - BilCat (talk) 06:38, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, I should have seen that! Re taxation, that's politics for you.Lexysexy (talk) 01:28, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  TAVR 

message: Dormskirk Thanks for cleaning up my text and for your advice earlier, but I am a bit puzzled as to why you have removed the sentence 'Nevertheless, the structure remained as planned.', on the basis that there is no citation.  What would a citation for this look like? All the sources show that the new TF establishment replaced a mass of infantry, yeomanry, and (largely fixed coastal) artillery units with all arms infantry divisions and yeomanry brigades, with formation HQs, organic field artillery, engineers, commissariat medical etc, designed for war. This was still the establishment in 1914. This is all recorded - and sourced - in the earlier text. No source suggests that there was a last-minute change in structure between the Army estimates debate and the introduction of the bill 8 days later (when the purpose of the TF suddenly changed under pressure). The final sentence is a summarising conclusion, not a new fact - which bit of it would you like a citation for? Best Julian Brazier (talk) 14:21, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi - To be honest I think it would be difficult to cite. But an additional concern would that the sentence looked a bit like a commentary and we should avoid commentaries - just keep to the facts and cite them. Just my opinion. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 14:30, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, let's leave it Julian Brazier (talk) 15:49, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: South African War section

message: This section is a mess. It has very few citations, contains several inaccuracies (eg all TA called out for Korea, main role was unofficially for home defence etc) and is a chronological muddle jumping back and forth on dates - and including a 'current' statistic for recruiting in a historical piece. I propose to completely rewrite it in chronological order and keeping only those bits for which there are citationsJulian Brazier (talk) 15:16, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree: that sounds a very good course of action to me. I would be ruthless with removing anything that is not properly sourced. Best wishes, Dormskirk (talk) 15:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

text: Thanks Dormskirk Julian Brazier (talk) 15:48, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

text: This is going to take a bit of time. I have found sources for a lot of the existing material but the previous section - which prima facie looked quite good - needs some work firstJulian Brazier (talk) 11:29, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

text: It was not me that changed it: I agree that the final section could do with some redrafting, rationalising and extra references. Dormskirk (talk) 15:10, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Apologies, Dormskirk, that remark was addressed to J-Man11 but I copied you in as you have been taking a keen interest in this articleJulian Brazier (talk) 15:19, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: 1988-2011 Section

message: This was followed by a complete reorganisation announced in the 1966 Defence White Paper from 1 April 1967, when the title Territorial and Army Volunteer Reserve (TAVR) was adopted, that abolished the former regimental and divisional structure of the TA.[76] The size of the TAVR was to be reduced from 107,000 to under 50,000, with the infantry reduced from 86 to 13 battalions and the yeomanry (armoured units) from 20 to oneBeckett, P201. Units in the new TAVR were divided into various categories:[77][78]
o	TAVR I - Special Army Volunteer Reserve or 'Ever Readies', bringing the Regular Army to war establishment and replacing casualties. These were to be given extra training and equipment and could now be called out by Queen’s Order rather than proclamation Beckett, P 205 and 
o	TAVR II - forces called 'The Volunteers', for whom the old call-out arrangements continued. This category was split further split into TAVR IIA (Independent), eg: 51st Highland Volunteers and TAVR IIB (Sponsored), eg: Central Volunteer Headquarters, Royal ArtilleryBeckett, P205
        
In addition were various miscellaneous units, such as OTCs and bands eg Northumbria Band of the Royal Regiment of FusiliersBeckett, P206
In the face of a considerable Parliamentary battle, and a public outcry let by the county associations, the government agreed to retain some 28,000 men in 87 ‘lightly armed’ infantry units and a few signals units in a category called TAVR III, designed for home defence, but these were disbanded two years later in 1969, with the units being reduced to eight-man "cadres". 
In 1971, the new government decided to expand the TAVR which led to the formation of a twenty infantry battalions based on these cadres.[79][80] In 1979, again a new government planned further expansion. In the Reserve Forces Act of 1982, the Territorial Army title was restored, and, in the following years, its size was again increased, together with new equipment and extra training, The target being 86,000 by 1990. Some brigades were re-formed which consisted mostly of TA units, including two out of three brigades for a new reserve division for the British Army of the Rhine (BAOR)Beckett P210-12.
:Hi - It could do with an additional citation after "cadres" (I assume it is the same source) but it looks good to me. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 15:52, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: 1966 White Paper: major cuts and a new name

message: === Difference in Territorials (T) and Volunteers (V) ===
I used to be horrible at this, but spent around a year of research and have this down pat.. @SmartyPants22 following the formation of the TAVR in 1967, the units in the TAVR III Category held the designation '(Territorial)' and were all disbanded by 1971 and reduced to cadres in 1975 along with new company units.  These units (no-matter their corps/title) were all infantry units tasked with home defence/nuclear support.  However, those in TAVR II Category (Section A) had NATO roles and held the designation of '(Volunteer)', and these were formed in 1967 or formed part of the expansion of 1971/75.  So, the reason I bring this up is because in the example of the Queen's Regiment, the 5th (V) Bn was in the IIA Category, while the 6th (T) Bn (Queen's Surreys) was in the III Category, and therefore separate from the volunteers.  Again, in the example of the Queens, the 6th and 7th (V) Bns were formed in TAVR IIB and were formed from elements of the former Territorial battalions, they were not successors to the former.  I understand this can be confusing even for myself early on, but now after much research I understand the difference here.  Hope this helps, and this is why I reverted your edit. J-Man11 (talk) 23:43, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:BOLD]]LY copied from [[User talk:J-Man11]] for information to all 

message: I used to be horrible at this, but spent around a year of research and have this down pat.. @SmartyPants22 following the formation of the TAVR in 1967, the units in the TAVR III Category held the designation '(Territorial)' and were all disbanded by 1971 and reduced to cadres in 1975 along with new company units.  These units (no-matter their corps/title) were all infantry units tasked with home defence/nuclear support.  However, those in TAVR II Category (Section A) had NATO roles and held the designation of '(Volunteer)', and these were formed in 1967 or formed part of the expansion of 1971/75.  So, the reason I bring this up is because in the example of the Queen's Regiment, the 5th (V) Bn was in the IIA Category, while the 6th (T) Bn (Queen's Surreys) was in the III Category, and therefore separate from the volunteers.  Again, in the example of the Queens, the 6th and 7th (V) Bns were formed in TAVR IIB and were formed from elements of the former Territorial battalions, they were not successors to the former.  I understand this can be confusing even for myself early on, but now after much research I understand the difference here.  Hope this helps, and this is why I reverted your edit. J-Man11 (talk) 23:43, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference in Territorials (T) and Volunteers (V) 

message: Dormskirk,Buckshot06,, May I raise the issue of the annoying link at the top of the article - I see someone did so a few years ago? I understand that 'TAVR' has two unrelated meanings but we could solve it by simply making TAVR redirect to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcatheter_Aortic_Valve_Replacement instead of this page. The name 'TAVR' comes from a long time ago and in the rare cases where someone uses it for a search, they will certainly know to try Territorial Army, not least because it is the first two words of TAVR, if they have not heard of the Army Reserve. Julian Brazier (talk) 08:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi - I do not have strong views one way or the other on this. I can see why it looks silly but I can also see why it has been placed there. Dormskirk (talk) 09:17, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Happy either way. Buckshot06 (talk) 12:01, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't matter to me if you redirect it to the other page. I take you'll then add a hatnote there; "For TAVR see Army Reserve (UK)"...? - wolf 13:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Dormskirk Buckshot06 wolf Thanks, Guys. I would like to do this but I don't know how to. Could I ask - so I learn - where to find the code for tricky bits like this? On a separate note, I have started completely rewriting the article on Reserve Forces and cadets Associations - which ties in closely to this article. The current article had no history and virtually no citation. Grateful if you dudes could cast your expert eye over my handiwork, if you can spare the time. Also, how do I change the title - it needs an s, plural, on the end (there are 13 of them)?Julian Brazier (talk) 10:30, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi - I have redirected TAVR to Percutaneous aortic valve replacement, removed the hat note at the top of Army Reserve (United Kingdom) and have also added a hat note at the top of Percutaneous aortic valve replacement giving a link to Army Reserve (United Kingdom). Your improvements to Reserve Forces and Cadets Association look good, although there are some paragraphs you have added without citations at the end: that needs addressing. And don't forget to convert your url's per WP:BAREURL. Also you should not copy and paste from primary sources i.e. the RFCA website. It is probably worth a discussion on whether to put an 's' on Reserve Forces and Cadets Association. There are many town halls but that does not mean we should put an 's' on Town hall. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

text: Dormskirk Have been away for 24. Thanks for fixing the TAVR link, which was bugging me! Will try to fix the BAREURLs although you seem to have done much of it for me. Will carry on other conversations ref RFCA/RFCAs on that article's talk page Julian Brazier (talk) 10:37, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Getting rid of spurious link

message: 'The Army Reserve was created as the Territorial Force in 1908'
I vehemently disagree. The Army Reserve was created in 1871 as a consequence of the Cardwell Reforms. This statement in the existing article is wildly incorrect. 
There are surviving attestations for those in the Army Reserve who extended their time in Army Reserve Section D. In so doing they were not enlisting in the Territorial Force, or its predecessor, for that matter. Keith H99 (talk) 15:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The other article Regular Reserve (United Kingdom) Keith H99 (talk) 18:57, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious claim in the lede of this article