Talk:Taipei American School/Second Controversy Discussion Archive

message: *I was wondering what is the need to upload a picture of benjamin tsai and saying he is hot because it is so full of gibberish, I decided to delete it.
:* It's a personal attack on me by an anonymous editor that has been giving us a bit of trouble on this article. --BenjaminTsai Talk 10:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see, okay, case cleared.
why is it a personal attack? i'm doing a favor for you!! 63.201.35.145 08:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: BenjaminTsai Photo

message: "leading universities" is clearly POV as there is no official ranking of schools in the US
  - 218.161.4.195 on 17:14, March 31, 2006 in article Edit Summary
While there is no single official ranking of universities, there are many rankings that is in common use such as US News, Princeton Review, Wall Street Journal, of which US News is generally considered as the most authoritative for undergraduate rankings.  Internationally we have the widely quoted Shanghai Jiao Tong University's "Academic Ranking of World Universities". --BenjaminTsai Talk 06:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Many do, and more so than the national average for high schools within the United States or Taiwan. --BenjaminTsai Talk 10:26, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Wikibofh(talk) 18:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leading universities 

message: ===Janitors===
* Hello Janitor, janitor who says "Hello! 你好嗎?" to people.
WHy does my hello janitor keep getting deleted?!??!?
* Not notable.  Not sourced.  Not relevant to an encyclopedia.  Wikibofh(talk) 00:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is neither notable nor relevant.  In fact, it's just some random sentence that borderlines on vandalism. --BenjaminTsai Talk 00:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Disputed edits can be removed immediately and placed on the talk page for discussion, or where the edit is harmless but you dispute it and feel a citation is appropriate, you can place  after the relevant passage. This should be used sparingly; Wikipedia has a lot of undercited articles, and inserting many instances of  is unlikely to be beneficial. The template  can be useful for flagging quotations taken out of context and other misuse of citations.
I am not however the last word, anonymous user, if you feel that your edit conforms with Wikipedia policies, then please respond below quoting from the appropriate sections. Thanks! :) - FrancisTyers 20:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course! :) Its kind of pointless just to have an article full of those tags, but the best way to avoid that is to provide references. - FrancisTyers 20:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello Janitor 

message: * How is this relevant? I browsed through a bunch of school articles, including many international schools, none of them include "non-profit" what makes TAS any different? TAS is a school, stating it as non-profit is just absurd.
Typatigertot 02:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing "non-profit" 

message: In answer to the newly created account from our anonymous friend, there are plenty of schools whose articles claim they are non-profits:
*The_International_School
*The_Craig_School
*Verona,_New_Jersey#Education
*...
Wikibofh(talk) 02:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding your claim that there was a whole year with an intern superintendent...you are wrong. As to your biased claim that TAS people live in a bubble, this has nothing to do with the article itself. And to all the claims that the Taiwanese public dislikes TAS, I'd have to say (from personal experience to downright common sense) that in general the Taiwanese public couldn't care less about TAS (they have no real opinion on it). TAS is not a cancer. It is not explicitly harming anyone. There have been times when it has been in the news, but the impression given by anonymous is that TAS is causing Taiwan harm. I am not an ardent supporter of TAS, nor someone who dislikes it, but honestly, with the possible exception of Columbine High School, how can anyone even suggest that a high school is having a prolonged negative affect on a community? It's just a school! -- Mattrixed Talk 07:24, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikibofh(talk) 13:46, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

text: To anonymous - I never said that I was an American, and I've been in Taiwan for 5 years (attending TAS for 1.5 years). You said "What do you know about the opinion of the Taiwanese public" I say: What do you know? What makes your opinion worth putting in the article? Unless you can find a viable source that proves your opinion, you cannot put it in the article. That is what this discussion is about. I don't care if you like TAS or not, I'm just trying to keep a fair article that doesn't contain the opinion of one anonymous IP with a grudge. Please do not reply to me with your unfounded claims unless you can provide evidence for them (a link, perhaps?). -- Mattrixed Talk 17:10, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I would just like to point out that the anonymous IP 63.201.35.145 has made a personal attack against me on my own personal website outside of Wikipedia. There is no excuse for you to do this. What is Wikipedia's policy (if any) on attacks like these? -- Mattrixed Talk 07:11, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-profit 

message: Is the report available online somewhere?  Wikibofh(talk) 21:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this WASC is only providing the following information on the school to the general public. --BenjaminTsai Talk 00:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So the controvery section needs to be removed? There is no source for it...indeed I am wondering where that "quoted paragraph" actually came from... -- Mattrixed Talk 07:16, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, just because they don't offer it online does not mean it isn't a valid source.  We just need for it to be verifiable.  So, either a way to get a copy or someone needs to see about scanning it or portions of it in.  Wikibofh(talk) 13:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm trying to get a copy through the TAS Alumni Office, though as mentioned elsewhere the school's closed for Spring Break until April 10th. --BenjaminTsai Talk 14:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

text: If you read the opening remarks, the above quotes are obviously just filler to make TAS feel better. The main point of the opening remarks is clearly the quoted section. 63.201.35.145 21:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that your stance that the "above quotes are obviously filler to make TAS feel better" is strongly opinionated and not necessarily accurate. As a matter of fact, I have not only read the opening remarks, I heard them delivered twice by the WASC Visiting Team Chair. Filler or not, I doubt the remarks would have been made if they were not accurate in the opinion of the Chair or the Visiting committee. (Waphle 21:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

text: While I cannot speak for typatigertot, it is of my opinion that TAS faculty have always been dysfunctional retards; this phrase is not too extreme 63.201.35.145 21:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I am satisfied with the current state of the article. But previous versions of articles such as "TAS is widely considered as the premier English language ..." are clearly non-neutral and incorrect. 63.201.35.145 21:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

text: * Shockingly, I agree with .145 on this.  The only source is the taipei times article, which I don't find particularly compelling.  Wikibofh(talk) 22:00, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm onboard here as well. The removal of that claim was the right move. Hopefully the article can continue to remain neutral. Cheers (Waphle 22:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I would have to agree with Waphle. He probably knows more about this situation than any other current or past student of TAS, and possibly even knows more than some of the faculty. -- Mattrixed Talk 03:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I certainly don't claim do be able to shed light on all the details surrounding any situation at TAS, whether or not there is a crisis. I have made it clear that I will state only facts and will clearly point out if and when I am sharing my personal opinion. As I noted before, I recognize I may have a positive opinion of TAS in many regards, but I do not intend to put a positive spin on the article. It is for this reason I have refrained from editing this page as we continue the discusssion here. (Waphle 21:56, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WASC report 

message: There is a serious problem with NPOV with edits from anonymous hinet ips. These are obviously TAS students or people affiliated with TAS. This violates Wikipedia:Vanity and these edits should be reversed. 169.229.253.35 20:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: http://bgonline.tas.edu.tw/article.asp?aid=319&iid=38&sud=44 Q1 08:07, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we have already established that there are some attending TAS who go clubbing or participate in other activities which may be illegal or frowned upon, but the debate about whether or not this belongs in a Wikipedia article remains. (Waphle 10:07, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake IDs and clubbing