Talk:Kerio Technologies

message: I think the article needs a rewrite. It looks like an advertisement. Meneth 17:09, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still at the same time I'm a bit tired of people accusing wiki pages of being advertisements. It's not too bad now. But it's a bit "advertisementy" isn't it? --DavidGGG 16:25, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: If this article is so much like an advertisement, what you are proposing it is advertising?
I have been writing an article for some time privately on my blog as part of a post about software firewalls on windows, which is why I was able to source so much information so quickly. I never wrote it up on Wikipedia as I never released the article to my blog, it's still filed as incomplete. Consequently up-on recently finding the original article about Tiny/Kerio I decided to utilise my resources/information and more accurately cover the subject.
I rewrote the article and split it up appropriately due to the following:
* a) As a guidance to the versions as "it's hard to get a grip", so I have covered almost every historic version I could find. (I'm assuming you have got to grips with it now).
* b) There was no article on Tiny Software, Tiny Personal Firewall, CA Personal Firewall, and very little information for Sunbelt Software, Sunbelt Personal Firewall, Kerio Technologies, and Kerio Personal Firewall.
* c) This information will appeal to Wikipedia users as there was limited information on the subject anywhere else. There are also references to where old versions can be sourced.
* d) I decided to include all the "Versions" I could find with citation so that in the future people could add "Development" sections, which shows the change log.
* e) Trying to cover all the different software versions under one article when they went in different directions was painful, considering an article for Sunbelt Personal Firewall and Kerio Technologies already existed as well.
* f) Some of the information on the original was inaccurate, and required citation.
* g) You mentioned "I'm new at this", I could tell, so I decided to give you a helping hand.
Ultimately reverting back to the original article would be stupid.
--Hm2k 17:22, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is fine 

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--Hm2k (talk) 10:15, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Find sources 

message: If you are going to tag something for a merge discussion, you need to actually start the discussion and state your case for it.
Kerio Technologies
:It has been suggested that Kerio Control be merged into this article or section. (Discuss)
:It has been suggested that Kerio Connect be merged into this article or section. (Discuss)
The article Kerio Connect is not tagged for a merge discussion.  Does someone still think it should be merged even with all the reviews and awards it got from magazines?  I'm against that merger.  The other I don't have an opinion on, since I know nothing about it.  Dream Focus 16:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Support merge This article would gain weight by merging the product articles into it. --Hm2k (talk) 19:58, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose merge The other articles would lose clarity, focus and detail if merged into this article 59.167.243.34 (talk) 01:28, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

text: Merge. The above comment does not match the actual Wikipedia policy guidelines. Topics must be independently notable, and clearly the products are not. Any claims that are not verifiable with cited sources can be removed at any time. I would also add Kerio Operator to the list.  Wikipedia policy is also to avoid being a product guide. That info gets dated quickly anyway, unless someone (often with a conflict of interest) keeps on top of it. Alternative would be to go back and start deletion debate again. W Nowicki (talk) 18:59, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Not independently notable; the article is mostly just release notes, but what content there is belongs here per WP:PRODUCT. FalconK (talk) 13:24, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oppose merge products are completely independent and different from each other. Microsoft Word, PP, Excel, Outlook etc do also exist seperately TheKarpati (talk) 17 November 2016 (CET)  —Preceding undated comment added 14:29, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Kerio Control]] 

message: Not independently notable, but the content belongs here per WP:PRODUCT. FalconK (talk) 13:25, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oppose merge products are completely independent and different from each other. Microsoft Word, PP, Excel, Outlook etc do also exist seperately TheKarpati (talk) 17 November 2016 (CET)
*Support -- for reasons outlined in the preceding section. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:33, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Kerio Connect]] 

message: We now have several templates on top of the page, maybe it is time to remove some of them.
COI - clear case, this one should stay
Advertisment - I think this was more about prior state before the last AfD. Could someone please point to phrases still written like advert (or even better remove most offending parts)?
GNG - last AfD ended with "no consensus", this one should stay
Buzzwords - any examples?
POV - latest addition. However, I thought I trimmed the article to bare-bone phrases to avoid this issue (there is no evaluation of this company or its products). Again, any examples of POV language? Pavlor (talk) 19:48, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed three of the tags, keeping too. I've also removed some uncited and / or promo content. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:35, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Perfect. Thanks! Pavlor (talk) 06:18, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates 

message: It says "Fate Acquired by GFI Group"
while in History it says "Kerio was bought by GFI Software.", which is correct. Kerio was never owned by GFI Group. 217.5.224.139 (talk) 12:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fate