Talk:Ocimum tenuiflorum

message: Much of the text from the Tulsi page appears to have come from the following copyrighted page:
Tulsi: The Holy Power Plant
Specifically:
1. The first paragraph of both articles are nearly identical
2. The 'Tulsi as a Deity' section is word for word the same
3. The 'Tulsi in Legends' section is derived from the article
Even if it's not a copyright violation, the WP version could/should be rewritten or modified.
However, it's possible that about.com copied the article from Wikipedia. Any thoughts? ॐ Priyanath 01:39, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Priyanath - I agree with you, somewhat of the text on the about.com page is similar to the current article. It could be that about.com copied it from here as I've seen a number of other webistes recently copying from Wikipedia also. I've made a few minor structural changes today, I guess as long as it's less than 90% identical there shouldn't really be a problem? GourangaUK 11:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi GourangaUK, I think your changes help to make it appear different from the other article. It's probably still questionably a copyright violation (if it did come from there) but at least it looks less like a cut-and-paste job. I also made some minor changes to the overall organization of the article, since that was even more identical to the about.com version, all the way down to the main headings and their order. I moved up the introduction of Tulsi as an Ayurvedic treatment, because of its popularity and widespread use as such. Also added a few more references to scientific studies of this wonderful, blessed, and holy plant. ॐ Priyanath 00:51, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

text: P.S. I've confirmed from the edit history that this WP article was copied from about.com, not the other way around.... ॐ Priyanath 03:17, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Priyanatha, following your recent edits it looks more like it's own article now. I may try and add some extra information at some stage in future if I come along any more research. GourangaUK 09:45, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  Hi GuourangaUK, sounds good - I'll be adding to the Ayurvedic medicine section over time as I find more good research that can be cited on the Lord's sacred plant. ॐ Priyanath 15:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright Violation? 

message: I think it's called Holy Basil in Thailand - this would imply it has religious significance in Buddhism also...? 
btw, can a Thai speaker please confirm that Krapow refers to Holy Basil, and not to the regular Thai Basil? Is Holy Basil the literal meaning of Krapow? Thanks. --Singkong2005 13:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Singkong, the Thai_Basil is listed on another page, as it is a slightly different form of basil, with a different tradition behind it. Maybe you could add more information to the other page, as it's very sparse at the moment? Best Wishes, GourangaUK 14:18, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How did the Thais dare to cook Tulasi along with pork? Does tulasi have no religious significance in Thailand? -59.95.12.93 (talk) 17:42, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious significance in Buddhism (Thailand)? 

message: This should be moved to Tulasi, which would be more neutral and less Hindi-centric. --Grammatical error 05:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps even Thulasi ? Shyamal 06:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tulsi is the general spelling, or Tulasi - I don't see much of a difference in the spellings personally, although the first is more correct in terms of pronunciation and in Google Tulsi gives 932,000 hits compared to only 358,000 hits on Tulasi, so of the two I would prefer to keep with the more popular variation. Best Wishes, ys GourangaUK 10:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tulsi is correct in terms of Hindi pronunciation, but Tulasi is the more classical version and it is pronounced like that by most South Indians. Thulasi would be equally incorrect (it would just be catering to Tamils). --Grammatical error 16:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What are everyone's current thoughts on this? Tulsi, Tulasi, or Holy Basil? Regards, Gouranga(UK) 09:46, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Why is the TOL guideline not being used ? It now reads Tulasi (Ocimum tenuiflorum). Most plants that have multiple regional names are best treated under the scientific name with redirects from the other names, like all other botanical articles. Shyamal 03:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved it back to the scientific name. User:GourangaUK had moved it to the title with the common and scientific names, but that user probably wasn't aware of the flora naming convention. Cheers, --Rkitko (talk) 15:12, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw that Basil and Rose were not titled scientifically, and assumed there would not be a problem in including both versions in the title. If that's not the case, then okay, but most people would refer to the common name (either Tulasi or Holy Basil) in discussion. Regards, Gouranga(UK) 19:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's ok if you weren't aware of the naming convention. WP:NC (flora) has information regarding the use of scientific names vs. common names. Common names are used only if the plant is "economically or culturally significant enough", and even then it is preferred to have two articles--one under the scientific name to describe the botanical aspects of the plant and one under the common name to describe other aspects. In this case, I would say the article isn't developed enough to require a split and since there is more than one common name, it is best to have it at the scientific name. Cheers, --Rkitko (talk) 12:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

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thread_title: [[WP:FOOD|WikiProject Food and drink]] Tagging

message: I have tried to clear up the confusion over the use of the phrase holy basil in reference to Thai food. The confusion stems from the fact that there are actually three types of basil used in Thai food. There is horapa (โหระพา), which is generally referred to in English as Thai basil - this is a type of O. basilicum. Then there is krapao (กะเพรา), which is also generally referred to in English as holy basil, and which is a variety or form of O. tenuiflorum, and then there in maenglak (แมงลัก), which is referred to in English as lemon basil. Unfortunately, to add to the confusion, a lot of people mistakenly refer to horapa as holy basil.
I've changed the 'holy basil' redirect page so that it's now a disambiguation page which points both to 'Ocimum tenuiflorum' and to 'Thai holy basil'. Even though they're just different varieties of the same species, I think it's a good idea to keep the two things separate since the 'Ocimum tenuiflorum' page in its current form is essentially an article on an aspect of religion and it would seem rather confusing then to have sections of the same page referring to cooking.
I don't know a great deal about Thai holy basil myself, other than how to cook it. This is rather why I would like there to be a separate page on it, so that I can find out a little bit more about it. If there is at least a stub then people can contribute and add to it.
Jowiltshire (talk) 18:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since Thai Holy Basil is Ocimum Tenuiflorum (which these much more reliable sources seem to confirm ,), then it should probably be included here. Plants on Wikipedia usually have one article per species/variety. I think you should undo all those redirects and move the information about Thai Holy Basil back here. There should be a separate section in this article about Thai Holy Basil and how it's used for cooking. ~ priyanath talk 01:19, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've cleared up the confusion by redirecting the various pages on Ocimum tenuiflorum to this article. It's not even clear that the thai holy basil is a different variety of O. tenuiflorum - no reliable taxonomic sources make that statement, only one or two online personal cooking sites do so. Even if it is a different variety, it should still redirect here, since they are all: Ocimum tenuiflorum. See other :Category:Redirects to scientific names for examples. ~ priyanath talk 16:53, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thai holy basil 

message: As per the edit I made previously, I deleted the material below from the article. My justification was as follows: (1) the tone was not encyclopedic, (2) it was disorganized, (3) it made medical claims (e.g. "They are also good antidotes for poison") that appeared to be dubious in nature and were not backed up with references. There's probably something that can be gleaned from what was written, but it seemed to be mainly an unsourced expansion of the Ayurvedic medicine section, which is significantly more concise and which contains references. I apologize in advance if I have caused any inconvenience. Sepia officinalis (talk) 01:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Material moved to talk page

message: On 17 Jan 2011 the section In Hinduism was removed by an IP address making his second-ever edit. I propose it be reinstated. Whatever its inadequacies (and in fact it was relatively well-referenced) it treats a very important area. The plant is most widely known as holy basil, and the holy aspect should be covered. Spicemix (talk) 12:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Hinduism 

message: The article gives an impression that it is available only n Asia.  I have seen bundles of Basil stalks with leaves and flower being sold in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.  I am given to understand that it is used in the food.  I am not a botanist and hence is not sure whether it is the same plant or a related one.  It has the same smell and the leaves and flowers look the same.  I have also seen dried and crushed basil leaves being sold in the supermarket in Addis Ababa.
May be someone can add information about these.  
--K N Unni (talk) 19:05, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing African connection? 

message: Im new to wiki, but this line: " balancing different processes in the body, and helpful for adapting to stress" has the source(footnote) number 16. I just like you to know that that source is invalid, try click it.
Also, there is in this article no mention of the negative effect on rats ability to reproduce. It hasnt been tested on humans, but it seems worrying and should be mentioned.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12099405
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1506071  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.130.66.155 (talk) 23:18, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction 

message: 1000 words on a spice and not one mention of what it tastes like?  Surely we can do better. Amber388 (talk)
There are two flavors of which I know.  Most varieties smell strongly like Juicy Fruit gum, very sweet and unique.  There is also a variety that smells of camphor.  The flower stalk bud is pinched off and the aroma breathed.  It is known to help stop perspiration odors. My Flatley (talk) 01:44, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flavor? 

message: Hello  I am troubled by your pattern of removal of relevant, referenced, and neutrally phrased material on a large number of organism articles. In this case (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ocimum_tenuiflorum&diff=1067716801&oldid=1066885919) you should be aware that genomics information is interesting in any organism article and if available should not be removed. Invasive Spices (talk) 24 January 2022 (UTC)
:a) The genomics statement is/was already sourced, b) the sequence appears to be an unconfirmed draft from 2015, and c) the URL inside [...] leads to a database, which I removed as not of general concern per WP:NOTGUIDE. "My pattern" is to challenge unsourced or poorly sourced content, which is a good characteristic in science editing, and so I intend to continue with that pattern. For example,  - which appears to contain useful genomic information - diverts from science to call tulsi "medicinal", a derivation from Ayurveda nonsense, so is a candidate for removal if a better source is  available. Zefr (talk) 21:18, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''O. tenuiflorum'' genomics 

message: Hello  I agree with removing that source however I think Ocimum sanctum should remain because it's the most commonly used synonym. I don't have a source for that however. Invasive Spices (talk) 2 October 2022 (UTC)
:, yeah the source had little to do with anything. I appreciate your point that the synonym may be very widely used and is therefore notable. YorkshireExpat (talk) 17:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synonym 

message: If Tulsi's other name is the Surasa, aka. the daughter of Daksha, that would conflict with her having being the chaste wife of Shankhachuda. So, what does Surasa refer to and why have you listed it here? Stjohn1970 (talk) 09:50, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surasa?  

message: — Assignment last updated by Bsita200 (talk) 15:55, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Applied Microbiology

message: The section highlighted below was removed because a) the first paper supposes medicinal properties of tulsi - which do not exist (no WP:MEDRS sources support such a claim) - and b) there are no supportive reviews or conclusions from either study that inform the general user about significant biology of this plant.
The genome of the tulsi plant has been sequenced and reported as a draft, estimated to be 612 mega bases, with results showing genes for biosynthesis of anthocyanins in Shyama Tulsi, ursolic acid and eugenol in Rama Tulsi.  and . The predicted proteins and other annotations are available. Zefr (talk) 14:38, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetic studies provide no useful conclusions