Talk:Pottok

message: The Basque pronounciation would be poh-tohk with a palatalized t.
Even poh-chohk.
Is the -ee- a French pronounciation?
--Error 00:39, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Akerbeltz (talk) 13:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronounciation

message: Does it really mean "small horse"?
-tt- is often a mark of a diminutive.
But the usual word for horse is zaldi, not *potoka.
--Error 00:39, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a race name. Small horse should be zalditxo or zaldisko. --Sugaar 17:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed also. Akerbeltz (talk) 13:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning

message: I am from San Sebastian and I've seen pottoks various times, the last time some two months ago in the Artikutza park (near Aiako Harria and La Rhune) and frankly, I do not think these horses in the pictures are pottoks at all. Some times any little horse or ponny is called pottok in this area, as the very word pottoka conjures up a cute and chubby animal (or baby) in Basque. Genuine pottoks have an oversized belly almost to the ground and very short legs.
Iñaki LL (talk) 21:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We are stuck with what's in wikipedia and wikimedia commons, and given that I have never seen the breed myself, feel free to find better free images and replace them.   Or, if you can find some links to an official web site with non-free images with which to compare, I can take a look at the basic characteristics and do a comparison.  (Heavens knows this would not be the first mislabeled photo in wikipedia, the number or gray horse photos called "white" horses is just scary...)  Montanabw(talk) 18:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the delay, some genuine instances can be found in the following webs: http://blog.eitb.com/eguraldiblog/2007/10/17/pottokak-1/ and http://images.google.es/imgres?imgurl=http://www.euskonews.com/0244zbk/argazkiak/gaia24404_06.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.euskonews.com/0244zbk/gaia24404eu.html&h=286&w=360&sz=22&hl=es&start=4&um=1&tbnid=nml5EekJzxbAZM:&tbnh=96&tbnw=121&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpottokak%26um%3D1%26hl%3Des%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3D75z%26sa%3DN
(third picture from top). I hope it helps to get the picture Iñaki LL (talk) 19:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to verify that they are free images (often they are not) and if so, upload them to wikimedia commons, that would be terrific. Shoot us a heads up with the image title if you do! Montanabw(talk) 04:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we have two different breeds that are being confused here. I'm trying to get behind the Basque Pony article (since I started the Basque breeds and cultivars page) and by looking at the bona fide images (the ones at Euskonews for example) I suspect there is the actual Pottoka (anyone for moving Pottok to Pottoka by the way?) and then a Pinto like horse which is probably common throughout the Pyreness but not a Pottoka. Akerbeltz (talk) 13:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Me again... just red through the bumf of the French stud book. There are two preliminary studbooks (on the French side) one for the pure mountain breed and one for CROSS BREEDS (see also ), which can have anything up to 50% non-Pottok blood. So the non-dark ones which seem too tall to be a pottok are most likely cross breeds that are traded and bred under the same name (annoyingly). I'll try to amend the article this week but someone better look it over, I'm not a horse person per se. Akerbeltz (talk) 13:49, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good research!  As for "Pottoka," we have traditionally used the English language version of a breed name, here, "Pottok," though usually list alternative names in the infobox and sometimes the lede.  (And create appropriate redirects so both can be found)   Feel free to edit away and if I see a glaring equestrian error in your work, I'll tweak it.  Before you start, though take a look at the horse breeds task force guidelines (link in the WPEQ box above) for the format we are looking for.  Some similar GA quality articles you may want to compare to include another Spanish horse, the Sorraia.  We also have the Spanish  Andalusian horse that either went GA or is on its way there.   Neither Pottok (with any spelling) nor Basque pony show up at the fairly decent International Museum of the Horse site, But Pottok (spelled "Pottok") does have a page at http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/horses/ , which I have commented on more extensively over at the Basque pony page.  (The Okie state site is not a strong source, it's verifiable and a university, but their research is spotty, often repeats breed propaganda verbatim, and for the Pottok, they have a pinto on their page...).  As I noted at the Basque pony article, I suggest you put up a merge tag and see if anyone else has heartburn over this.   Montanabw(talk) 20:19, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Responded on the other page but ty :) One thing though - I know about the Use English rule, I just can't find much in the way of evidence that suggests either spelling being dominant in English. A quick search on Google Scholar gives marginally more results for Pottok but we're talking less than 200 in both cases. But if you say that Pottok is more commonly used among horse folk in English, then I'll take your word for it. Akerbeltz (talk) 20:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably best to keep "Pottok" for now.  Montanabw(talk) 00:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  pottoks in the pictures 

message: A clear no. I haven't had a chance to do that page yet but the Basque Mountain Horse and the Pottok are not seen as the same breed. Akerbeltz (talk) 14:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha-ha, we posted at the same time! Are you able to help with my questions below? I'd like to include the Euskara names for the other two breeds in the stubs I have made for them if my guesses are correct. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:04, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger