Talk:New Thought Ministries of Oregon

message: Phrases such as "helped one and all" are more promotional than encyclopedic.  NPOV and voice issues. --Jgilhousen 06:11, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagged "Reads as advertisement" for clean-up 

message: I removed the Christian-specific church-stub footer from the NTMO page because of this.  The user "Copy Editor" put it back with the following comment:
# (cur) (last) 02:38, 27 March 2007 Copy Editor (Talk | contribs) ( New Thought IS Christianity)
This is incorrect.
The New Thought Movement Wikipedia page says:
New Thought churches often avoid dogmatic pronouncements about the afterlife or other theological questions, and vary significantly in the degree to which they may or may not associate themselves with Christianity or other major world religions. New Thought teaching asserts some distinction from traditional religious movements in that the personal experience and understanding of (God, Presence, Truth) is expected to evolve and not remain static. The majority of New Thought churches display, discuss, and sell a wide variety of religious and New Age literature.
NTMO's "We Believe..." says:
We believe God is the one Power in the universe that moves in, through and as all things and there is inseparable oneness between God and all Life.
We believe the world around us corresponds to our thoughts and attitudes. We are co-creators with God. “As ye sow so shall ye reap.”
We believe the saints, sages, mystics and prophets (through all spiritual traditions) revealed wholeness as their true nature. We are born in the image and likeness of wholeness. The master teacher Jesus was the great example not the great exception.
We believe all things are evolving. We are immortal, spiritual beings evolving toward a greater awareness of our oneness with God.
We believe we grow spiritually when we give of ourselves in service.
So it seems it's incorrect to equate New Thought with Christanity.
I just took the New Thought 1 class from NTMO last fall, which covered the history of New Thought in some detail. While there are explicitly Christian branches of New Thought (like Unity), NTMO isn't one of them and New Thought in general encompasses more than just Christ's teachings.
I'm removing church-stub again.  I've also suggested that church-stub be generalized and christian-church-stub be created to avoid this confusion in the future.
:This is a relatively trivial argument, but all the same I have replaced the church stub and will now offer my explanation. 
:First, NTMO is the successor church to Living Enrichment Center, a church that had a statue of Jesus Christ and that was referred to in the Portland, Oregon media as being a "New Thought Christian church." 
:Second, "New Thought" and "Christian" are not mutually exclusive terms. While perhaps not all New Thought churches are Christian, being New Thought does not by default mean that one is not Christian. See, for example, the page on Unity Church which in the very first paragraph of the intro section describes Unity Church as a Christian Church and the biggest church within the New Thought denomination. 
:Third, most, if not all, NTMO ministers received their ministerial certification through the Unity Church, which is described on Wikipedia as a Christian Church. -- Copy Editor 07:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Thought is not the same as Christanity 

message: Currently this article does not demonstrate notability and as such is subject to deletion unless reliable third party sources are added. Aboutmovies 19:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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