Talk:Union Theological College

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message: I notice that this college is listed at the bottom of the page as a university in both the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland specifically, yet on looking at the latter it is described therein as one of the "QUB Centres".  Is this really accurate now in light of content in the rest of the article regarding cessation of the connection with Queen's University Belfast?  If it is not currently accurate, should the categories be updated to reflect the current status?
Curious critters (talk) 15:23, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not. Those templates look rather out of date generally: I think none of the QUB Centres are now affiliated - and some no longer exist - so I've removed them from the template. Robminchin (talk) 05:19, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[University Status Query]] 

message: MOS:LEADLENGTH says that as a general rule of thumb, a lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs and be carefully sourced as appropriate. The MoS suggested length for an article of 15,000-30,000 characters is two to three paragraphs. According to xtools there are around 17,000 characters of prose, yet the lead section for this article has seven paragraphs. That is clearly excessive.
MOS:INTRO states that 'Editors should avoid lengthy paragraphs and overly specific descriptions' yet there are detailed figures and over 60 footnotes. The lead section should be a concise overview and that significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article. However the current lead provides detailed information and provides information that does not appear elsewhere in the article, instead of summarising what is written elsewhere. Significant amounts of the lead section look like they belong in Recent Developments and in what would need to be a new section about Courses, and a concise summary of those sections put into the lead.
There's also some information that doesn't appear to have any significance of all. For instance why is there a reference to the Convener for the Council for Training in Ministry quoted as saying he " “has had the opportunity to work alongside previous graduates.” It's not clear what the purpose of that quote is, what it is supposed to tell us about the college, or why it should be one of the first things a reader sees. It's not even clear that it's necessary to identify the current Convener for the Council for Training in Ministry.
I think that something along the following two paragraphs would concisely present the most important information and further detail could then be supplied in new or existing sections later in the article:
Union Theological College is the theological college for the Presbyterian Church in Ireland and is situated in Belfast, Northern Ireland. It is governed by the Church's Council for Training in Ministry. It is responsible for training people for ministry in the Presbyterian Church in Ireland and also runs courses open to the wider public.
The college currently offers three residential courses at undergraduate, postgraduate, and PhD level, and five distance learning postgraduate courses in Theology through BibleMesh. The professors of the college constitute the Presbyterian Theological faculty of Ireland (PTFI) which was granted a Royal Charter in 1881 to confer postgraduate academic degrees. A supplemental Charter was granted in 2021 to modernise the original charter. In 2021 the college established a partnership with St. Mary's University, Twickenham to accredit undergraduate degrees. This followed a time of controversy when the Professor of Church History was dismissed for gross misconduct and Queen's University Belfast broke its long-standing links with the college.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ardenssedvirens (talk • contribs) 12:43, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Greetings again, Ardenssedvirens.  I think rearrangement of content as you have suggested here seems appropriate. Curious critters (talk) 15:09, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
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message: There are a few issues with this section. Here are a few to get started
Some details seems like trivia:
* necessity of emailing admissions
* course retention rates
* payement method for courses
Can anyone give precedence for any of this being done for any other university?
There is currently a list of Youtube videos by scholars who provide material for courses at Union. It isn't clear why the videos are listed. It does not look like it is a relevant list. I would guess it's there because whoever added the list thinks these are the same videos used in the Union courses. If that is that case ther eis no evidence provided to support that. Even if it was the case, would this even be worthy of listing? Not every member of faculty is listed, so why would videos of scholars be worthy of listing?
I've already correct an incorrect claim that the videos do not feature any of the faculty. For instance Martyn C. Cowan features in the videos for modules 1 and 2 of the MTh in Reformed Theology – a detail in the source which was already cited in that claim. Ardenssedvirens (talk) 11:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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