Talk:Hong Kong English

message: Sorry I've never heard anyone saying this. Should we put it here even it's not a popular 'Hong Kong English' phrase? Hermesw (talk) 21:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Open the door, see the mountain" 

message: I plan adding to the article which seems rather lacking in general information. I will use some academic source because the article has a few citation. I found one article that discusses lexical stress. Reading some of comments I will try to be neutral as possible because that seems to be a problem with this article. I also notice that the article is rather messy and does give a proper citation to any material that was used in the article itself. 
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Alice Y. W. Chan. (2004). Syntactic Transfer: Evidence from the Interlanguage of Hong Kong Chinese ESL Learners. The Modern Language Journal, 88(1), 56-74. Retrieved from http://www.jstor.org.ezproxy1.library.arizona.edu/stable/3588718
Eoyang, E. (2000). From the Imperial to the Empirical: Teaching English in Hong Kong. Profession, 62-74. Retrieved from http://www.jstor.org.ezproxy1.library.arizona.edu/stable/25595704
Setter, J. (2006). Speech Rhythm in World Englishes: The Case of Hong Kong. TESOL Quarterly, 40(4), 763-782. doi:10.2307/40264307
Sewell, A. (2017). Pronunciation Assessment in Asia’s World City: Implications of a Lingua Franca Approach in Hong Kong. In Isaacs T. & Trofimovich P. (Eds.), Second Language Pronunciation Assessment: Interdisciplinary Perspectives (pp. 237-255). Bristol; Blue Ridge Summit: Multilingual Matters / Channel View Publications. Retrieved from http://www.jstor.org.ezproxy1.library.arizona.edu/stable/10.21832/j.ctt1xp3wcc.17 
--user: Darceyguffey (Darceyguffey) 2:06 11 March 2018.  —Preceding undated comment added 21:07, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for contributing, and especially for citing reliable sources. These URLs with "library.arizona.edu" in them are only available to UA library patrons, though. If you have a non-local web address or DOI, you can add that. But URLs aren't really necessary for journals, so you could just leave it out. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 04:12, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Add on to background and consonant plus grammar

message: The quote "chips[21][22] instead of french fries." Is not true in Hong Kong. French fries (or "potato fires" actually) is a more common term to refer to chips in Hong Kong, If you say chips to a Hongkonger, it is more than likely that they will understand it as "potato chips". The two references in the article [21][22] only refers to "Fish & chips", where arguably is the only place where the word "chips" remained in description for french fries as "Fish & chips" became considered as a proper noun itself to describe that British dish in particular. In fact, I will argue that the term French fries is brought in by McDonald's into Hong Kong, which have developed to become a very popular restaurant with an extremely high density in the city. It would be better to take McDonald's page as a reference to the usage of "French Fries" in Hong Kong. https://www.mcdonalds.com.hk/en/food/a-la-carte-explorer-view/snacks-and-sides-explorer-view.html
Source: I grew up in Hong Kong
:Removed the reference entirely as it is no more than a selective anecdote of one editor sirlanz 02:18, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in "American/British spelling and word usage" section 

message: Recent edits have involved removal of terminology from this section without first asking editors for citations, examples, etc. Consensus should be sought before removing information that is not correctly cited (add "citation needed" marker instead), as opposed to incorrect (as in the "fries" vs "chips" debate above). Kdm852 (talk) 05:07, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a total misconception here.  Kdm852 has sought to justify the inclusion of the "Lai See" term as an example of HKE on the basis of sources that do not say one word about this characteristic of the term.  The only sources provided, after evidently considerable effort by Kdm852, are examples showing that the term exists somewhere and without one word about its role as an example of HKE.  The Lancet article is an excellent example of the level of misconception from which the editor suffers:  it does not even mention "Hong Kong", it was written and published in Shanghai and talks of a bribery issue in China.  There is a level of desperation here in putting forward such patently irrelevant material in support of the material appearing on our page.  The material must go.  sirlanz 05:31, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  There's no need to resort to insults. The Lancet ref, as I said, is to demonstrate the differentiation form the Mandarin usage; the SCMP article (as an example of use in Hong Kong media) was to demonstrate the use of the term in Hong Kong. If you do feel the references are not suitable (as I said earlier, and you seem to have ignored) you may remove them and add the "citation needed" marker to give editors (including myself) a chance to find better ones. Simply removing the content is unjustified at this stage, especially seeing as "taipan" and "amah" are likewise commonly used terms in Hong Kong English, but they remain on the list. Furthermore, a lack of formal linguistic analysis of their usage is not a justifiable rationale for removing them, since this may simply not have been done. Linguists are a finite resource. The article is trying to illustrate usages in Hong Kong English which may differ form other forms (and do not necessarily have to differ from all other forms), for which, I feel, references to use in public media, such as newspapers, should count as valid refs. Further input on this would be appreciated. Kdm852 (talk) 05:41, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: So, at best, you are conceding what you're doing is offensive to WP:OR, yes? sirlanz 05:59, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea of putting forward the Lancet article with the edit summary "academic ref added for distinction from Mandarin" was a misleading attempt to give the edit some patina of academic authority when it was simply a random article not touching for one moment upon anything relevant to linguistics which just happened to mention in passing that laisee is a Cantonese expression.  The edit summary was designed to mislead.  sirlanz 06:07, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hong Kong vocabulary/expressions 

message: This interlanguage would be a fascinating addition here. See e.g. https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=44232 ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:38, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  To add: section on Konglish