Talk:Hebrew Roots

message: 1. This article, as written, contains serious technical errors, as already pointed out by Namikiw, it is fatally skewed from a Judaic viewpoint.
2. The fact is that the Hebrew Roots movement is now popular in among many Christian groups too. 
3. This article can be edited to stand alone encyclopedic standards and deserves a separate page for itself after appropriate editing. 
4. The "Sacred Name Movement Article" may be better treated as a minor article referenced by hyperlink in relevant articles like this one.
Xfileexpert (talk) 02:29, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Do Not Merge With Sacred Name Movement Article

message: This article is still very skewed in point of view. I am posting the notices again where citations are required that definitely require sources. Remember, this is not a forum for original research or experience, but rather is a sourced article.
Please do not remove these flags unless the content is changed or valid citations are posted. Also, do not remove the NPOV/Weasel Word banner. Allow a consensus of editors to make that decision.
If uncertain, "weasel words" include phrases such as "legalistic bondage." Non-POV phrases, likewise, will read, "this view holds..." rather than stating a disputed idea as fact.
This is not an unworthy article for Wikipedia, but it must be encyclopedic. As it is, it is not.
Namikiw 21:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV/Weasel Words

message: Do people in this movement prefer using any particular Bible translations, such as those that preserve Hebraic forms of the sacred names, the Sacred Name Bibles? Pete unseth (talk) 13:57, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Bible translations

message: The use of the word "Torah" with a non-standard definition, an innovative definiton unique to this movement, can confuse readers. If the term is used to refer to all 66 books, why not simply say "Bible" and be clearer for readers? Help me understand. Pete unseth (talk) 21:33, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The word "Torah"

message: The article does not establish that there is such a movement. It cites books that examine 1st-century Christianity.
Please present evidence that there is a "Hebrew Roots" movement distinct from both (a) generic Jewish Christianity and (b) the Adventist Sacred Name Movement.--dab (𒁳) 12:30, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: References?

message: First of all, I am putting this discussion here because in my edits of July 19 posted circa 11:38 E.S.T., I forgot to summarize what I edited. Here is most of it, along with a warning about Music Man's illegal edits ---and this is not just a difference of editorial opinion as adjudged by the wiki standards cited below. 
As shown by the discussion on this article, Music Man is one of the ones making edits to revert this article to be a definition of his own private religious viewpoint of what he WANTS "Hebrew Roots" to mean. 
His edits are ILLEGAL because: 1) he makes personal opinion statements not verifiable per wiki terms; and 2) he deleted my reference to Dr. Scott's historical published book which I either quoted or paraphrased with proper citation to his work (the very definition of how to make the article "verifiable" and NOT PERSONAL OPINION. 
I found also found and DELETED three illegal links to books for sale on Amazon. 
Please do not repeat these editorial abuses. You obviously hold to the Judaic Hebrew Roots movement which viewpoint is clearly characterized in Dr. Scott's history book; and, made erroneous edits to the "Christian Hebrew Roots" section for the deliberate purpose of mischaracterizing that sect as inferior to the Judaic sect. THIS IS ALSO A VIOLATION OF WIKI EDITORIAL RIGHTS because you cited a long, NON-VERIFIABLE list of contemporary persons you personally hold to be "leaders" in the Hebrew Roots movement without citation to proper authority. FOR THIS REASON, your edits also constitute an "original" previously unpublished treatise (your own opinion) IN VIOLATION OF WIKI terms. 
I deleted the portion "In that year, Dean Cozzens  of ..." because the wiki link you added in support does not exist; and, Mr. Cozzens' so-called contemporary "prophecies" are again, YOUR OWN PERSONAL OPINION unsubstantiated by the Wiki requirement that articles not be original treatises, and consequently statements must be supported by already published material either reputable bona fide books or web sites subject to scrutiny of the editorial community. 
Music Man's edits were an unjustifiable attack against the corrections made to this article as proven by ALL OF THE ABOVE, the least of which is not the deletion of the reference to Dr. Scott's historical book published in 1936 which made my posting VERIFIABLE in accordance with Wiki standards.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xfileexpert (talk • contribs) 04:01, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music Man's Edits and Article Revisions are Illegal Under Wiki Terms of Use 

message: The term Hebrew Roots is a term that was created to distinguish itself from the term Messianic. The term "Messianic" has be described by one Messianic Rabbi (name will not be mentioned here) as "messy" because of the confusion it has created among people in their movement. One has Messianic Christians, Messianic Jews, Messianic everyone else, etc. I submit that the term "Christian Hebrew Roots" (CHR) is an attempt to build upon term "Hebrew Roots" which predates CHR and yet create yet additional confusion in the minds of people, divert people to this web site, and place CHR at the head of the HR Wikie site for their own evangelism purposes. 
A ****separate**** CHR Wiki entry for the CHR term needs to be created apart from this "Hebrew Roots" site. CHR is a *distinct and different* theological approach apart from HR that appears to be a branch of 7th Day Adventism and appears to be the efforts of one organization/web site to draw attention to itself. My search on Google revealed no other such "Christian Hebrew Roots" or other ministries with this name or theology. If ->I am in error, please let us all know <---. Thx. If there are other CHR ministries please inform us of them on this Talk board similar to the listing on the HR site Mike 2/13/12  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeprescott (talk • contribs) 16:47, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Christian Hebrew Roots Needs their own Wiki Entry

message: This entire page was reformatted, reorganized, and titled by me in 2012. As can be seen on the talk pages, this effectively ended the discussions and issues going on between the various contributors. There has been other contributions to the article since that time but there has not been any significant format changes since 2012 by anyone. Obviously you disagree. This page is organized for content. That is not to say it is complete. If you have specific recommendations, please let us all know and I/we will make them.---- Mikeprescott 6/30/14Mikeprescott (talk) 17:16, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. Editor2020 17:38, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hebrew Roots Page Rewrite 

message: One of the most prominent self-identified Hebrew Roots proponents on the Internet is a man named Drake Shelton, who also uses the name "Alpha Judaizer". In addition to Hebrew Roots itself (he calls Christianity a heresy, but accepts Jesus/Yeshua as a mere human prophet), Shelton also advocates white nationalism and neo-Confederate ideals along with anti-Catholic, anti-black, and anti-Hispanic prejudices. Is this representative of the movement as a whole? FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk) 05:08, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In answer to your question "Is this representative of the movement as a whole?" No, absolutely not. So we should not give this person any more publicity by including this fringe point of view within this movement. Pete unseth (talk) 23:27, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

text: In response to your statement  "One of the most prominent self-identified Hebrew Roots proponents on the internet"...Drake WHO? He hardly shows up on Google hits. I have been investigating Hebrew Roots for several if not more years...and have never heard of this man. Please indicate your sources for your statement and raising a negative, leading question. Thank You.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeprescott (talk • contribs) 15:58, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hebrew Roots and bigotry 

message: Are the early sentences here either illogical or self-contadictory? MaynardClark (talk) 06:19, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This page is nothing like it was the last time I read it. I think Hebrew Roots people took it over. It's getting less than impartial in my opinion. I'm concerned. I don't want Wikipedia to be used for propaganda Imjustaconcernedcitizen (talk) 07:14, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to this page? 

message: Ye is the pronoun he. Shua means salvation. Since Yahusha came in Yahuah's name, His name could not be Yeshua, meaning he saves, rather it was Yahuah will save. 2601:346:A80:4E40:B830:94EB:CDC5:9BAB (talk) 22:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It is also the generally accepted Hebrew word for "Jesus" and the most commonly used Hebrew name for him. Hudson Gouge 01:36, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Yeshua is the male form of the Hebrew word for salvation, יְשׂוּעָה. Hudson Gouge 01:35, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

text: The argument in this section omits to understand that while Yehoshua was the original form during the Mosaic era, as seen with the name Joshua in English, in post-exilic times, during Grecian & Roman times, the name was abbreviated as Yeshua.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.193.170.4 (talk) 18:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yeshua is not right  

message: There has been a lot of discussions in here about what range of topics should qualify to be included in this article and what should not. I believe that this article here should remain in the realm of "Christianity", in opposition to the topic of Judaizers, as "judaizing" (getting new believers to convert to [Rabbinical] Judaism before they can be accepted in the church) was rejected and condemned by the apostles at the Council of Jerusalem as described in Acts 15.
Therefore, any movement which compels Christians to follow the whole of the mosaic/rabbinical laws, including for example circumcision, should be relegated to another article. This should be the red line of demarcation about the topic of this article. 205.193.170.4 (talk) 19:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distinction to make between "Hebrew Roots" & "Judaizers" 

message: This comment is, to a certain extent, a reply to the Talk Entry: "Christian Hebrew Roots Needs their own Wiki". Here's what is obvious to me: "Hebrew Roots" can only apply to "Christian Hebrew Roots", as the Jewish religion IS the repository of the Hebrew Roots, and in the same way, "Messianic" can only be used to qualify a Jewish Christian, as Christianity in itself IS the foundation of what we currently call Messianic: Jesus Christ = Yeshua the Messiah. Traditional Jews who believe in a future Messiah are not called Messianic because they want to make sure that we don't confuse them with Jews who would qualify as Christians because they believe in Jesus/Yeshua as the Messiah. In other words, there can be no Jewish "Hebrew Roots", nor "Christian Messianic", because in both cases, the expression expresses the same thing twice. These two expressions constitute pleonasms. The consequence of this reflection, is that "Messianic Judaism" cannot be included in this article, but only referred to for its similarity. A Christian is already in him/herself "Messianic", therefore only a Jewish Christian can be called a Messianic Jew. Consequently, a Christian can chose to attend a Messianic Congregation, but he/she is already Messianic simply by being a Christian, not because they attend a Messianic Synagogue/Congregation. 205.193.170.4 (talk) 20:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making distinctions & "Splitting Hairs" ... How far can we go?