Talk:Søren Kierkegaard/Archive 1

message: It should be discussed that his psyeudononemous or however you spell it (it's late and I'm tired) is a personal method of portraying his concept of irony, the clash between the internal and the external... the cambridge companion to kierkegaard is just fantastic giving a wide range of interpretations about K. First and foremost he was a poet/literary writer whose ideas are left to the mind to unravel. He is not as discreet as people like to read him as. But it's fitting, his philosophy allows for such interpretation. He's not trying to make you believe in anything! Believing in god is absurd. He's trying to lay a 
foundation for a subjective possibility of something else.
*Right, he didn't want to make people believe in anything if they don't want to, unlike Hegel who proclaimed his system was THE philosophical system. Yorick, Jester of Elsinore 06:47, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  pseudonyms 

message: Some discussion of themes would be nice...
What was his philosophy?
* lol, good point. just added a blurb. hopefulyl this can be added on with a nice concise summary, before the in-depth analysis of the concepts themselves. Oldseed 06:39, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requests 

message: This sentence: Atheistic philosophers such as Jean-Paul Sartre and Martin Heidegger mostly support Kierkegaard's philosophical views, but criticize and reject his religious views. implies Heidegger was an atheist. However, there is no such statement from Heidegger himself. This label becomes widespread just after a lecture of Sartre from 1945 ("Existentialism is a Humanism"). I suggest the sentence is reworded to avoid that implication. Yuzz 23:08, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Implication on Heidegger's views

message: In the second paragraph under "Kiekegaard's Thought", I wonder if it is best to describe the "leap of faith" as having faith (and doubt) in the existence of God. It seems to me that Kierkegaard was really talking about *trust* in God. Faith in God's existence may play a part, but it does not seem to be the central point to me. Any thoughts on this? --Earl-Grey 19:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: looked at history, Fight Club added Feb2 by 24.81.82.101, clearly a fellow member of Project Mayhem. Let's see how much longer it lasts till some one else fixes (removes) it. Great movie though; I'm sure K would have loved it.64.165.203.35 04:03, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Philosophy

message: As someone who has not read much of Kierkegaard, I found this article informative, interesting, and for the most part, well presented. However, I had just a few concerns. For one, some of the ideas described had a suspiciously modern feel to them, others sounded notably like the ideas of other philosophers - notably Baudrillard (the concept of fantasy replacing reality and so on) and Hiedegger (In the 'Subjectivity' section, specifically - reference to 'self as a self'). I think someone well versed in Kierkegaard could read over these, and make sure that certain concepts arn't being projected onto his.
From an academic point of view, I think there should be more references - ie, just telling which of Kierkegaard's works these ideas (for example, abstraction) came from. In the same vein, I think a longer list of his written works would not go astray.
Finally, while I did like the section titled 'Subjectivity', the language was a little too informal. The question/answer format was a little condescending, and read more like an introduction to philosophy textbook than an encyclopedia article.
Otherwise, as I've said, I thought it was very good. Prometheus912 13:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a few Suggestions 

message: I deleted the image of a precalculus textbook and its description "Scientific and historical textbooks are a source of objective knowledge and are existentially indifferent. Nothing subjective can be obtained from it." because the statement is untrue.  History textbooks are very subjective in nature, one must only think of one's own experience in 3rd grade history as we were taught about Christopher Columbus.  There is also subjectivity in science as well, as in the creation of theories, the scientific community as a whole develops many opinions, and theories must be justified ultimately to become accepted as fact User:ThusSpokeZarathustra 02:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subjectivity 

message: Since the Kierkegaard's quote is his, I don't know whether his grammar is just wrong or what. I make suggestions in square brackets.:
"The days of my authorship are past, God be praised. I have been granted the satisfaction of bring[ing] it to a conclusion of[by?] myself, understanding when it is fitting that I should make an end, and next after the publication of Either/Or I thank God for that. That this, once again, is not how people would see it, that I could actually prove in two words that it is so. I know quite well and find [it?] quite in order. But it has pained me; it seemed to me that I might have asked for that admission; but let it be.Johnor 06:47, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify, this is Alexander Dru's translation of K's journals and grammar.  That being said, I've double checked the entry
* "bringing" is right
* "conclusion of myself" is right, since Kierkegaard's authorship is sort of an autobiography and thus usually a reflection of himself.
**Thanks for your prompt attention. I still might have a friendly quarrel with you on this one. I think he is still saying that he is the one who is ending it, not the publisher or someone else. It is a self-determined act that the public will not perceive that way. So I believe "conclusion by myself" should be the way it is translated/written. Thanks again.Johnor 16:29, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Corsair Affair quote

message: Do any of you philosophy people know anything about the Two Kierkegaards Theorum?  It is currently up for deletion here.  Some expert advice would be great. --LeftyG 23:38, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible hoax on AfD 

message: This article's gotten really big (~80kb), so I decided to split the philosophical bulk of the article into another article titled the Philosophy of Søren Kierkegaard, and leave the biographical/journal entries in this article.  I've left the short intro to his thought as a lead in to his new article.  Any comments?  Yorick, Jester of Elsinore 13:52, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split Two 

message: A new sketch of Kierkegaard is now available on Commons:
Feel free to use in the article :)
FranksValli 23:53, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ) 24.126.217.68 06:32, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olavious sketch of SK now available 

message: Great article and great to see it as a featured article!
A couple of comments:
It is a bit surprising to see 'The Seducer's Diary' hardly gets a mention in the article. In the sixties, hippie times, growing long hair and having that book (along with Marx and Heidegger) in your pocket was part of the standard outfit kit in Europe. The Seducer's Diary together with Either/Or are the two works that survived to popular memory outside specialist circles.
Kierkegaard was strongly influenced by Mozart's music. He wrote about it endlessly and was in particular admirative of the opera Don Juan and refer to this again and again in his analysis of ethic versus aesthetic values. This influence is perhaps worth a mention too.
Finally, a commenter earlier on asked 'so what is his philosophy?'. Good question, but he didn't get an answer. One could fear it indicates that the article miss to convey the big picture there. The point here is that Kierkegaard did not see philosophy as a puzzle and the philospher's role to provide a unique solution ('a philosophy'). Rather his work was to provide improved or new pieces to the puzzle and inspire anybody to build their individual and personal world out of the many pieces.
--Uffe 23:56, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the compliment.  As for your points: 1. I'll look into Either/Or and the 60s reference, thanks for the mention.  2. Mozart and Goethe are mentioned in the article Either/Or 3. some of his themes are mentioned in Philosophy of Søren Kierkegaard, although I think it needs some revision there.  Cheers!  Poor Yorick 05:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well done! 

message: The article says: "A third official translation, spearheaded by the Søren Kierkegaard Research Center, will contain 55 volumes and is expected to be completed by 2009." - If you read the ref-article it says: "With its 55 volumes, to be completed by 2009, this is the largest comprehensive edition of Danish literature in a century, if not in all of Danish history. This Danish edition will subsequently be translated into English, German, French, Spanish, and Chinese." The word that should be noted here is subsequently. "Subsequently" could mean 2011, easily 2020 and even 2030, but certainly not later in 2009. This has to be corrected. --Anjoe 19:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  3. english translation