Talk:Seasick Steve

message: An anonymous user (82.12.186.88) is repeatedly removing Steve's age, and claiming there is “speculation in the media” about it, without giving references.  He/she writes that Steve does not want his age known, but should note that this is an encyclopedia, not a fan page.  
I have put back the long-standing birth date of 'circa 1941', along with three references .  (It is possible to find a year older or younger , , hence the use of 'circa'.)  But this user's attempt to introduce doubt about his age is not supported by the evidence.  
Please revert any further such unreferenced deletion. 
A point this user makes about Steve's superstition following a heart attack (eg. see ) could go back in, but not in the lead paragraph.  It would refer to his character and experience, not the basic fact of his age.
Finally, as a show of good faith, I have retained the same user's note that Steve's son designs and runs Steve's official websites (even though it is unreferenced).
Earthlyreason (talk) 21:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He is born in 1951. http://skattelister.aftenposten.no/skattelister/soek.htm?firstMiddleName=steven+gene&lastName=wold&countyId=&x=0&y=0&srchMode=smpl&taxYear=2007 It is from the Norwegian tax office.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.39.240.23 (talk) 04:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's interesting. Earthlyreason (talk) 11:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve's age 

message: The 3 string trance wonder is stringed and tuned as follows (shown in 6 string tab format):
No String
G string tuned to B
D string tuned to G (8va)
No String
E string tuned to G
No String
Hope this clears things up!
JimHxn (talk) 20:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 string tuning 

message: Last first: the itemising of what amoints to a chronological list of concert appearances in the UK is undue weight & arguably promotional/fan cruft.
SS has admitted to bring jailed but I don't know what for. Eg: "Back in the 60s when I talked to black people, especially like when I was in jail,  about the blues, they said don't talk that slave shit to me. They were uninterested."  - Blues America: Bright Lights, Big City (BBC 2013, broadcast of 6 December 2013 on BBC Four, ca. 20 minutes in). - Sitush (talk) 20:30, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jail and concerts 

message: Do we really need ten references in the lede for his birth-date?--Раціональне анархіст (talk) 15:27, 9 December 2014 
: http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasick_Steve lists his correct dob and sufficient references.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.100.70 (talk) 10:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, ten references is plainly WP:CITEOVERKILL. What are the strongest sources we've got? --McGeddon (talk) 11:37, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ten refs for birth day? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Someone should acquire the book Seasick Steve: Ramblin’ Man by Matthew Wright (book review), which denies some "facts" from the life story of the artist. Apparently his birth name, birth date, education and early occupations are not like he tells us.  Henxter (talk) 08:03, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Wright's research has now been mentioned in the article. Updating the lede to include the suggested birth name and age as statements of fact seems premature, though, when all we've got is one unofficial biography and no apparent reaction from the article subject. I've reverted to the original Wold/1941 version of the lede and infobox for now. --McGeddon (talk) 08:31, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

text: If there are Norwegian press articles where Steve gives this name and birthdate, then sure, this would be entirely uncontroversial. Where are those articles? --McGeddon (talk) 09:10, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  New biography 

message: I've given the page a semi-protect for a week because there has been some edit warring over the biography. Without going too overly much into things, the basic gist is that someone is contending that much of the article is incorrect, however the sources they're providing are in places Wikipedia would not consider reliable enough to completely overturn everything in the article - especially when it comes to things like the birth date. There's also a book, however the publication of one book isn't always seen as absolute proof on Wikipedia and not every publisher passes the rigorous standards of WP:RS. I haven't looked heavily into the publisher so it might be that they are reliable, however labeling them as such requires that we look into their editorial process and reputation, which can take a while. Plus if this is the only source that claims this then we can't really change the entire article accordingly, since that poses a BLP issue if multiple other sources uniformly claim something else entirely. 
I'll open up a discussion at RS/N about the publisher and it can go from there. However as far as major changes and inclusion of the book goes, this should be discussed here before it's added, as it poses a BLP issue. Even if the book is correct - and I'm not saying that it is - saying that everything else is incorrect and the result of years of people deliberately hiding the truth is an extremely contentious claim. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protection 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: SS was born in 1951, why is his DoB given as 1941 on wikipeadia?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.146.155 (talk) 18:35, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  He was born in 1951 

message: After years of moaning we've all happily decided that he was born as Steven Gene Leach (not strictly true as he was adopted and that's his adopted name) and the he's born in 1951.
Awesome.
Progress at last.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.100.94 (talk • contribs) 09:33, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy with that, though I'm surprised that other editors seem to have ignored the change.  If we are now accepting 1951, etc., there do need to be some tweaks to the wording.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:09, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

text: Now tweaked accordingly.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:43, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

text: It's not "gospel", but much of it is supported by or can be verified from other sources, and where they can't it is made clear that they are Wright's claims.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:07, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  So, we're all happy then?