Template talk:Game of Go position

message: Well I am in the process of creating a fully documented manual for both games and inclusion in articles and documentation. Not completed yet, but here it is: Wikipedia:Sandbox/Game of Go/Manual. -- Natalinasmpf 21:46, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Manual

message: The only problem, is I can't align the last row. Help! -- Natalinasmpf 01:21, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. But that actually might be a good alternative, how would I do that? What happened was when I put it inside, the last row became detached because of the parameter lengths of the last row (ended up making a newline, instead of being continuous). -- Natalinasmpf 01:27, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have a look at  and see what I did (which is essentially steal the example off of Template talk:Chess position. Dalf | Talk 01:29, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

text: I suppose you can either incluse teh whole thign in a table like I have done as part of the template and add a few options for border or noboarder and caption.  Or you can let people either add the "frame" and caption themselves or not.  Either way its pretty cool. Dalf | Talk 01:32, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

text:  Apparently its just because of the co-ordinates. Anyway, this should only be a problem on the larger boards, I will create a 13x13 board, and maybe a 9x9, or a 5x5 for example positions. Hmm, all the boards needed lol, because it doesn't have a fixed position like chess. But the examples won't have co-ordinates, after that. Here's our smaller board, size 15: -- Natalinasmpf 02:52, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

text: I think we can do it with the pictures that you have already.  I will give it a go in a secound (after I think about a good name for it.  Also I am looking through some go books and we might want to add images that include numbered stones.  1-9 for each white and black will be enough for most examples I think unless someone decides to write an article about any well known games.  The books I have also have instances where a location is occupied by an 'a' or 'b' or 'c' to indicate possible next moves when they want to discuss the benifits of each.  Dalf | Talk 05:26, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh I went ahead and created Template :Game of Go Position 9x9 Quarter and Template :Game of Go Position 9x9 Middle for boards based on context, where it would be needed (ie. analysing openings near the end of the board or ones in the middle). Probably won't be used as much, but you could probably agree it would be useful. -- Natalinasmpf 06:29, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh, thanks for helping me making the corrections. I was wondering why it seemed to suspiciously easy to transfer one type of board to the other. Oh, I'm trying to devise a general manual for using all of the boards, ie. education about the principles, what does which, how it works, the different edit sets for the boards, etc. but that would take some good explanations, so if you could help me in that area...part of it is already in here but I plan to move it onto a template page or something similar, or at least something where there is an easy single refeence to. Now all I have to do is create some formats for them. (Format being what you easily post to invoke the template.) -- Natalinasmpf 06:13, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Help!

message: If you make it much smaller than 30 (which is really too big for most articles) you start to get gaps because of the width of the digets.  You might instead of doing pixel size do some sort of small/normal/large format and remove the numbers where needed.  Or perhaps we can change the font size.    I tried it at 15 and 10 and both looked strange. Dalf | Talk 01:36, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Apparently its just because of the co-ordinates. Anyway, this should only be a problem on the larger boards, I will create a 13x13 board, and maybe a 9x9, or a 5x5 for example positions. Hmm, all the boards needed lol, because it doesn't have a fixed position like chess. But the examples won't have co-ordinates, after that. Here's our smaller board, size 15: -- Natalinasmpf 02:52, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

text: I think we can do it with the pictures that you have already.  I will give it a go in a secound (after I think about a good name for it.  Also I am looking through some go books and we might want to add images that include numbered stones.  1-9 for each white and black will be enough for most examples I think unless someone decides to write an article about any well known games.  The books I have also have instances where a location is occupied by an 'a' or 'b' or 'c' to indicate possible next moves when they want to discuss the benifits of each.  Dalf | Talk 05:26, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh I went ahead and created Template :Game of Go Position 9x9 Quarter and Template :Game of Go Position 9x9 Middle for boards based on context, where it would be needed (ie. analysing openings near the end of the board or ones in the middle). Probably won't be used as much, but you could probably agree it would be useful. -- Natalinasmpf 06:29, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh, thanks for helping me making the corrections. I was wondering why it seemed to suspiciously easy to transfer one type of board to the other. Oh, I'm trying to devise a general manual for using all of the boards, ie. education about the principles, what does which, how it works, the different edit sets for the boards, etc. but that would take some good explanations, so if you could help me in that area...part of it is already in here but I plan to move it onto a template page or something similar, or at least something where there is an easy single refeence to. Now all I have to do is create some formats for them. (Format being what you easily post to invoke the template.) -- Natalinasmpf 06:13, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size problem 

message: I am looking through some go books and it seems that depending on the example just about any view might be useful.  Half the board or just one side+corner as I just made below.  I wonder if there is a way with the templates to create a sort of intermediate situation where it is still partly manual but more flexible.  Perhaps a template that creates a single row of variable length and optionally terminated with walls and corners.  I am new to templates so I am going to have to do some reading but that way people can do things like the one below or just a stretch of wall or just a corner etc.
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This also solves a size problem for cases where the example only needs a small amount of board space.  Basically I think we should try and find a solution for partial boards that only uses one or two templates but can do any X by Y segment of a 19x19 board. Dalf | Talk 06:55, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other views

message: So the combination of my limitations and MS Paint's limitations have finally defeated me.  I cant seem to get a triangle inside these so that it fits and looks nice.  This is pretty commonly used in Go diagrams so it would be nice if we could get it.  Can you do any one of the stones with an equilateral  triangle in it and upload it (use the uppercase T).  From there I can cut and paste etc and get it into the others (I knew I should have installed the GIMP). Dalf | Talk 05:53, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with Triangle 

message: Record bugs (for any template here).
Discovered a bug, not really with the template, but with the way we invoke it. There should be only be one space between the -- and the next "|" character. The problem is that for now the template ignores the extra whitespace, but see " x" or " b" as "_x" and "_b", so, this should be fixed. -- Natalinasmpf 22:23, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bugs

message: I would use dummy parameters between rows, as Sverdrup suggested, demonstrated at User:Sverdrup/test4. It requires renumbering the parameters in the template.
Alternatively (here shown for chess):

gives
(where the numbers 1-8 are just an example, not needed) because the "=" assigns a value to an unused parameter (its name is the empty string), which has no effect.--Patrick 15:10, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, you don't need to renumber the template.  That's the point with the "=" signs. --jacobolus (t) 19:48, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, I think this is enough cleaner that it'd be worth it to update the "manual" to reflect the version with the "=" signs. --jacobolus (t) 20:40, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: No comment tags needed

message: By using this template, it will be very easy and convenient for us to record a Kifu (棋谱).  However, to make a Kifu, we not only need to add "w" and "b", but also need to add numbers like b27, w34, b235, etc.  And the current template does not support such format.  I found that when a number bigger than 10 is added, the go board will be split.  This causes difficulty in recording Kifu.  Can we work out a solution? Your help will be greatly appreciated. --Neo-Jay 21:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks for your reply.  Best regards for your work.  --Neo-Jay 22:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Number and [[Kifu]] Problem