Talk:Image Comics

message: The "Notable series published" section has a lot of misdirected links. In some cases, ambiguous title names are pointing to the wrong article, so I'm either pointing it to its comic-related article, or if there currently is no such article, I'm de-linking it. I've finished the first column, will work on correcting the rest a bit later. ---Jackel 00:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. --Chris Griswold 06:16, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup wrong/bad links 

message: Hi there, I just wanted to mention that I added ShadowHawk to that list. That series is sometimes described as one of Image's "flagship" series on the Image Comics website. Plus it is still around and selling relatively well compared to other Image Comics series. Feel free to accept this revision or not. Thanks. --ShadowAvatar 18:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better-Known Series 

message: What was "Shattered Image" minisers--Brown Shoes22 01:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shattered Image ? 

message: Which studios remains at Image today? Is it correct that these are Todd McFarlane Productions, Desperado Publishing, 12 Gauge Productions, Beckett Comics and Top Cow Productions? If so, this should clearly be mentioned. 193.217.192.160 13:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: How many studios remains

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message: The Comics Journal article, "The Image Story," which is already listed in the external links, corroborates the "two provisions" in the Founding section, currently marked as needing a citation.  (It also corroborates the previously discussed "cotton" quote, BTW.)  If it is added as a reference, is it redundant to leave it in the external links?  --Sloop Jon (talk) 01:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Should be fine - unless those parts are the be-all and end-all of the article. ntnon (talk) 03:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation v. external link for TCJ article 

message: The article has reached the point where the titles need their own article in line with the other big publishers. List of current Image Comics publications (and any such "current" list) is unwise as it relies on being constantly updated and it dates rapidly so I'd suggest merging that into the new publication article list.
This would then give the article room to expand into a better, more rounded piece that we can push on to higher quality (as befits its status as one of the biggest comic publishers). It will also mean that the titles can be properly formatted and other useful information added (as you can see at List of DC Comics publications, List of Marvel Comics publications, List of Wildstorm titles, etc.) so both parts will benefit from the split. (Emperor (talk) 23:31, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll just assume the lack of replies is the same as "go for it" and will do the split later. (Emperor (talk) 13:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

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message: Article has "Superheroes and teams from the Image Universe" which includes "Megalodon". (Link went to article about shark that lived in prehistoric times so changing link to "Megalodon (comics)". I've never heard of this Megalodon character before, although the closest i can find at comicbookdb.com is a character named Megaldon-7 who apparently is in DC Comics' Strange Adventures (2009) #6 and #7. --EarthFurst (talk) 18:52, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Megalodon character? 

message: This article said "This development was nicknamed the "X-odus", because several of the creators involved (Claremont, Liefeld, Lee, Silvestri, and Portacio) were famous for their work on the X-Men franchise." But Claremont didn't abandon Marvel in order to create Image. He abandon one year before and didn't create his own studio nor company.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.122.13.174 (talk) 07:07, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't change the fact that this was called "X-odus", or the reason why.  Claremont was "involved" in it, even if he (like Portacio) didn't join them to become a partner in the company. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 16:10, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claremont 

message: Merge the non-notable, poorly referenced Cyberforce (and any others) to here.  GenQuest "Talk to Me" 19:13, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Cyberforce has had improved sourcing so I think it should be kept as a solo article. Dwanyewest (talk) 21:47, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Cyberforce does a passable job of establishing notability. But more importantly, I don't see how the content of the article could be properly integrated into Image Comics, especially not without creating undue weight problems.--NukeofEarl (talk) 16:16, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: The opening paragraph of the "Founding" section talks of a dinner with Dave Olbrich, but the story is never finished. What does this have to do with the founding of Image? We can only guess. If someone has more information, please include it (with citations, of course). Otherwise, it should probably removed. Matt Thorn (talk) 20:56, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: His company Malibu was the de facto publisher for the initial batch of Image comics (mentioned later in the article). -Jason A. Quest (talk) 01:11, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dinner with Dave Olbrich? 

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message: I'm unconvinced of the value of the "current ongoing series" section. In theory it should change literally every month, and it isn't always clear (without reading them all or knowing the creators) when a series is no longer "current" or "ongoing": cancellations and planned endings aren't necessarily announced. I haven't seen a new issue of A Distant Soil or Age of Bronze in a long time... so how exactly do we know they're still ongoing? A new title might be listed as "#1" with no plans to ever publish a #2, or maybe there are but sales are poor so it never happens. They don't clearly distinguish between limited and ongoing series, either. We don't try to maintain such a list for any other comics publisher, for all these reasons.
The "former notable series" section is less problematic and more encyclopedic in nature, because it doesn't try to be complete. But it still suffers from a total lack of sources. I don't necessarily doubt that Protectors Inc. was published from 2013–2014, for example... but how notable was it? Even the titles that have WP articles aren't necessarily significant to Image Comics as a publisher: they might have been just one more book Image put out for a year or a few, and never collected or reprinted it. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 01:37, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing no objections, I've remove the "current ongoing" section. I added some of them to a more general "notable series" section, but that needs clean-up. I started that clean-up by removing any series that doesn't have an article, since that implies a lack of notability. The section needs some kind of sourcing. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 12:36, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current ongoing series / Former notable series 

message: I recently added a caveat to the claim that Image is the third-largest comic book publisher, since the numbers come from direct market sales, not the overall market for comics and graphic novels, which would also include digital sales and the book trade, where Marvel, DC, and Image compete with the likes of First Second and Scholastic. 
Another issue is that the most recent direct market market share numbers I can find are from the first quarter of 2020, when Diamond Distributors was still the primary source for all direct market comics. https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2020.html https://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2021.html
During the pandemic, however, DC dropped Diamond and instead went with two new distributors, Lunar Distribution and UCS Comic Distributors. Then in 2021 Marvel moved to exclusively distribute to the direct market through Penguin Random House. Other publishers have started distributing through Lunar as well. Image just went exclusive with them today.https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/54187/image-goes-exclusive-lunar-direct-market-distribution Fragmented distribution makes calculating market share harder, which I assume is why Comichron hasn't compiled any sort of market share numbers since 2020.
Someone with paid access to ICv2 or Book Scan might be able to provide more up-to-date market share numbers. I suggest we wait until the end of this year and remove the claim about market share from the entry if more current (at least through the end of 2021) data is not available by then. Klintron23 (talk) 18:28, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Or caveat the statement in some way such that it says it was the third-largest comic book publisher  or obtained the third-largest market share in 19XX/20XX, etc. (I always found those statements a bit tenuous, and they've just been left there for years now... Similar statements are also at IDW Publishing and Dark Horse Comics.)-2pou (talk) 18:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

text: I found a free ICv2 article from January, 2023 with market share data from the ComicHub point-of-sale system. This appears to be what ICv2 is using for market share data now. On one hand, it draws from a smaller sample than using the pre-order numbers from the distributors. On the other hand, it provides actual sell-through data, which is more indicative of what consumers are actually buying. At any rate, this is the most up-to-date market share information I can find anywhere and certainly better than relying on data from Q1 2020. Klintron23 (talk) 01:18, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Market share 

message: I've seen "todo lists" on a few other articles, so I thought one would be helpful here. I plan to do as much of this as I can but would welcome help and feedback.
• Add necessary citations where still needed and/or remove unsupported statements.
• Founding: Clean-up, plus add a few more details: the Executioners ad, Huntsman announcement, and Fabian Nicieza's criticism of the founders' exit from Marvel.
• Development (Maybe this should be renamed "Early Years"?): Clean-up, plus a few more details: 1993 "Image Implosion," Deathmate, 1963, Image X-Day, Images of Tomorrow.
• Diversification: Expand. More on Valentino's Shadowline non-line (what were those early books that were unsuccessful?). More on the early 00s. More Walking Dead/Kirkman, more Saga. As it expands, maybe split into more segments (ex: Valentino-era, Larsen-era, and Stephenson-era).
• A section with more recent developments: Image United, Savage Dragon # 225, AMC Secret History of Comics episode, Spawn # 300, more on unionization.
• Maybe more on awards won by Image creators.
• Eventually perhaps a Controversies section for the early criticism of the company, late books/Deathmate issues, and unionization. Klintron23 (talk) 00:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Todo