Talk:Andrew Jackson

message: A fairly substantial paragraph was added to the section on the Indian Removal Act about a vaccinations law passed by Congress and signed by Jackson. This is an interesting topic. The topic does seem appropriate for the article on the presidency of Jackson, as he did have to address the issue. The policy of  smallpox vaccination of Native Americans could be an article in its own right.  However, my own feeling is this topic is not appropriate here, this section is about Jackson's active role in moving the tribes west, mainly the Southeastern tribes west of the Mississipi.
Here's my concerns:
*This article is put at the end of a section on the Indian Removal Act, which was a policy that was championed by Jackson even before he was president. The paragraph does not imply this is something championed by Jackson, but something passed by Congress that he approved. It seems only tangentially related to the point of this section. Sounds appropriate for a discussion of Jackson's presidency, not the policies he actively advocated.
*The paragraph discusses issues not directly related to Jackson: Discussion of medicine men obstruction and beliefs about cures, reasons why it doesn't work, and discussion of another outbreak that killed 100,000 of Native Americans.  This is all important, but does it belong in a section discussion Jackson's intention to move native tribes west of the Mississippi?
*I could only get access to two of the works cited. For both, it was difficult to determine whether they made their point, as the references don't point to particular page numbers for verification and both articles are not focused on the 1832 vaccination. Neither clearly support the points stated for them.
**Kelton's (2004) "Avoiding the Smallpox Spirits" focuses almost entirely on the Cherokee in the 1700s and contrary to the point in the paragraph, argues that the Cherokee had strategies for managing the disease.
**Stern and Stern (1943) "Smallpox Immunizations of the Amerindians" addresses the overall Colonial policies of vaccinating Native Americans in the Americas.  It discusses Jefferson's advocacy for using vaccinations on Native American peoples, but not Jackson's. Additionally, the point cited in the article is about Jefferson's personal thoughts on the issue. (The topic of Native American smallpox vaccinations is clearly controversial. Another article makes the claim vaccinations were partly because whites feared getting Smallpox from native Americans.)
***Sole mention in Stern and Stern (1943) of Jackson is he was in office during an appropriation: "The expenses for vaccinating the Indians was first met by an appropriation made by the twenty-second congress during the presidency of Andrew Jackson."  This doesn't sound like it makes Jackson an advocate. Again, this could be an issue to discuss in the article on the presidency of Andrew Jackson, which addresses the issues he handled while president.  Better yet, it could be part of an article on United States policy regarding Native Americans and smallpox. 
This brief NIH NML entry states that vaccinations were partly driven by settler fears of getting the disease from Native Americans, suggesting that the motivations for this bill are more complicated than the paragraph here suggests. A balanced approach would require a detailed discussion elsewhere, perhaps an article on United States policy. Wtfiv (talk) 17:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that the verbatim of the added paragraph is already in the Presidency of Andrew Jackson article. Wtfiv (talk) 18:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Jackson, Native Americans and smallpox

message: Should a mention of Jackson’s Revolutionary War Service be included in the lede of this article? It’s significant. Henry Berghoff (talk) 03:29, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: My feeling is the lead focuses on what is notable about Jackson. The narratives describing Jackson's Revolutonary War Service should be told in main text. They are now a standard part of the "Jackson biography" in the secondary literature. But the primary sources supporting this secondary literature are very thin. The verifiable details are very few. For example, look at the discussions we've had about the lack of information in the "officer and the sword" story, or Jackson's actual status and roles in the military or militia. Wtfiv (talk) 15:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That’s a good point. I’d like to note that I found a record on family search of Andrew Jackson listed in the South Carolina Militia in 1779, a year earlier than he claimed. Henry Berghoff (talk) 04:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Henry, See this earlier conversation on this topic. Wtfiv (talk) 13:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I remember that. I'm just mentioning the fact that there is hard evidence that Jackson served in the Rev. War. Henry Berghoff (talk) 23:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: In the previous conversation, it was mentioned that in WP:RSP familysource.org is listed as a "generally unreliable" source. Wtfiv (talk) 03:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I found this record on family search, however, while the host site itself could be considered unreliable, the record itself is reliable. A microfilm of it was provided. The record dates from 1779/80, and Jackson’s name is written on it as a soldier who served.  Henry Berghoff (talk) 02:51, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revolutionary War Service in Lede 

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