Template talk:Infobox bridge/Archive 1

message: From: Pulaski Skyway 
*|bridge_name=|official_name=General Pulaski Skyway|
Cacophony 20:03, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
:This still works but there is now an "Image=" parm that works as well or better ++Lar: t/c 14:46, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  how to add a photo to this template 

message: (asked this on Template talk:Infobox BridgeSpecificWithMap too) I just noticed on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Bridges page that this template is said to be deprecated and that Template:Infobox BridgeSpecificWithMap should be used instead. But I don't have a map for (for example: Kingston-Rhinecliff Bridge. It does say that the map is optional. Can someone help me out by explaining how to use that template? Thanks! ++Lar 22:42, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The above comment is obsolete, the WithMap version's features have been merged in as optional parms and ..WithMap is now the obsolete/deprecated one. Deleted even, IIRC... (as evidenced by the redlinks) ++Lar: t/c 15:14, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deprecated? 

message: For bridges that have been razed, do we want an optional field that gives their destruction date? Also is it worth noting somewhere that the geolocation stuff won't show you a pic of the bridge (because it isn't there any more) some how? I can hack the first one in, no worries (if folks agree... call it what "demolished date" ??) but the second one I dunno about. Thoughts? ++Lar 00:13, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that is a good idea.  Why not throw in average daily traffic as well.  That info is on the CD.  The optional fields are great, put anything in there and only use it if you have the information.  Cacophony 20:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added both fields just now.  I see no reason not to add information being that the field will only be shown if the data is present. Cacophony 00:16, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: K, I did Niagara Cantilever Bridge and Sky Ride... see what you think. We may or may not want to tweak the wording on the field, because for one I knew the month and for the other I didn't. Tacoma Narrows Bridge if it gets a box, can use this presumably. Although maybe we need to figure out how to handle successive bridges at the same location (consider Carquinez for an example... the first one was built in the 20s, the second similar one in the 50's, now they're  building a new (and different) one and will tear the first one down. arguably these all belong in one article not split out. So maybe they get 3 boxes? ++Lar: t/c 02:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Demolished Bridges

message: Should the carries field include #1 what type of traffic (highway, pedestrian, etc), #2 what roads or rail lines, or #3 how many lanes/tracks?   I have seen all three used.  My preference would be the name of the road or rail line carried, maybe "3 lanes of Interstate 6".  Cacophony 18:58, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll answer this if you answer some of mine! ... OK, kidding. I think the number of lanes and direction, what type of traffic, and what designation/ownership for each type would ALL be useful information and broadening carries oror expanding it into several subfields might be goodness. A (clearly) hypothetical (and clearly exaggerated) example: The Mumble Bridge carries 3 eastbound general use lanes and one bidirectional HOV lane of US 29/I 52, a narrow gauge track of the D&RGW tourist railway, two standard gauge tracks of the BNSF, a busway restricted to buses of the greater Billings Mass Transit Authority, a bidirectional pedestrian path, and the Montana section of the trans Alaska Pipeline. Fitting all that into "carries" is a bit much. For more real examples, see Williamsburg Bridge and Sydney Harbour Bridge ++Lar: t/c 20:00, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  carries? 

message: How about, for the sake of simplicity, moving this template to Template:Bridge? Cacophony 00:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the convention was to use Infobox in the name for infoboxy things but I could be confused. ++Lar: t/c 00:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: K, scope out this little search (which by the way is really handy, you may want to save it: ) all pages in template space that start with infobox .... there are hundreds of them. So I would say it's a convention.  (not to be confused with being OPPOSED to a move, mind you) Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 00:32, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It is convention, mostly to prevent arguments and inconsistency when an infobox, a footer, a series box, or any other template would all relate to "Bridge". -- Netoholic @ 00:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  move? 

message: I'm thinking locale and opening date may want to be optional parms. Not sure. Thoughts? ++Lar: t/c 07:08, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll probably want to discuss this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bridges.  My feeling is that, if you want to have a high-quality and consistent Infobox, you should limit the optionals to those which are impossible to fill in/not applicable on more than around 25% of potential articles.  The benefit of showing the empty rows is that editors will be prompted to fill them in.  If you're hiding to many, you should reconsider whether they are truly important to the Infobox. Some things are so infrequent that mention in the article itself is better. -- Netoholic @ 07:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it could be discussed there but this IS the talk page for the template. I guess I think the template ought to have as much optional as possible, because I can think of a plausible scenario for just about every field not having a known value. That doesn't contradict the view that editors should strive to fill in as many fields as they can, which I do agree with. ++Lar: t/c 15:12, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I suggest contacting the WikiProject be cause they define what the articles contain and look like overall.   This template is just part of how that is implemented and may not be on all their watchlists. This talk page here is more about technical aspects.  The way I see it, if fields are not visible, few editors will even realize those options are available.  Also, some fields are almost trivial and can really stray from the core set of information that this infobox should present. -- Netoholic @ 16:10, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Netoholic, I'm sorry for any confusion, I am already a member of the bridges project, have made several suggestions about how things ought to be done there, many of which have been adopted, and I've already used this box in several new bridge articles I authored, as well as adding it to bridge articles I happened to edit that were in existance already. The use of the <noinclude> tagging to show an example of the template usage alleviates the "won't tend to fill it out" concern in my view. Again, I can think of a plausible scenario for any particular field needing to be optional, even in an article where most other fields are used. I'm not really seeing this as a big an issue as you may think, though. I'll just go ahead and make the changes myself when I get a chance. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 16:47, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Option vs required 

message: I'm new to this... what are the standards for this map and map size thing? Do you use Google Maps? Other satellite sources? When I upload the image from this source, under what license should it be? Thanks! —Rob 18:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A discussion about bridge maps has been taking place at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Bridges#Maps.  Ideally the license should be GFLD compatible.  There are several websites that generate public domain maps that you can edit.  If I were more proficient with Photoshop I would be able to give you an example.  Right now the best example that comes to mind is on San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge, but I would say that it could use labels.  A map of the state with a pushpin on the bridge location would also be handy.  Just think about what it would take for  you, having no prior knowledge, to understand exatcly where a bridge is located.  Cacophony 20:14, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And no, you should not use Google Maps to generate maps for Wikipedia because they are copyrighted.  That's generally the run for any for-profit site.  Cacophony 20:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map standards? 

message: I've added a line similar to the one in Template:Infobox Lighthouse. I find the existing "lat=" "long=" a bit problematic because it requires conversion from DMS to DD just to enter it into the lat= "long=" box. The "coordinates=" line should be used with   or  and will point all the images that the "lat=" and "long=" point to. If not used it should remain hidden so all the pages currently using this template should not need to be changed. It also links to the maps and all the aerial photos similar to the existing "lat=" "long=" lines. See the infobox for Fred Schwengel Memorial Bridge as an example of usage. --Dual Freq 16:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who was that? SPUI I am guessing? Personally I strongly prefer the lat/long DD format because the coords I can find easily for most bridges are in that form and conversion is extra work. I'd strongly oppose breaking this template in any way or requiring any sort of recalculations. I think when making changes, discussing them first is often a good approach unless one is sure they don't break anything. ++Lar: t/c 14:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's a matter of taste as to whether DMS looks better or not. Further DD seems to be more widespread on sites that can take, or supply, coordinates and that's more important to my way of thinking... enabling readers and editors to produce accurate and generally high quality articles takes precedence. IMHO anyway. So if the upshot is that this template is broken, I'd like to see that corrected. But if the upshot is that it works with any style, great. As long as the next step isn't to try to get rid of DD, I'm all for it. ++Lar: t/c 15:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I didn't catch that this was an older change, sorry! Right now it's broken it seems. Take a look at Kingston-Port Ewen Suspension Bridge for example. There's a tick at the top above the box that does nothing, and the nice links to Google, Terraserver, and Yahoo we used to have in the bottom of the box are replaced with a link to a page with SO MANY MAPS that it's effectively useless. I am not up for warring with SPUI about stuff though, that's just a no win situation. Apologies if I cast aspersions on you... ++Lar: t/c 16:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Coordinates

message: I reverted because it is the editors choice to use either lat= or long=. If an editor wants the stuff similar to  then use lat= and long=. If an editor just wants  / coor dms then use coordinates=. Using a "template within a template" should be avoided as was done by putting coor d into this template.  --Dual Freq 16:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably necessary to mention that the datum used by this template is WGS84 or equivalent. Using a different datum might pull up the wrong image. Old sources that use NAD27 or others should probably be converted as they can be off by 200 meters. Don't blame me, I didn't make up the coor d or geolinks template that this template uses. --Dual Freq 11:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: lat long vs coordinates

message: Could someone please add a height parameter to the template?  Think of the Golden Gate Bridge for a reason why.  What parameter would you use for the height of the towers?  Also then I can fix Conowingo Dam, although using Infobox Bridge there is still an uneasy fit. Thanks. I'd attempt it, but it would be my first template edit and the inevitable screw up(s) would be way too visible.--J Clear 02:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. —wwoods 16:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height needed 

message: Anyone mind if I add in two optional parameters to specify the architect and builder (construction company or organisation) of the bridge? I am working on some Australian bridge articles and would like to include the information. amitch 13:03, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Architect / Builder 

message: Looking at San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge I couldn't see a map with the changes from User:NE2, I'm not sure what the problem was, but reverting them seemed to fix the Bay Bridge article. --Dual Freq 17:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found my error; now James River Bridge and San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge both work properly. --NE2 18:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps missing 

message: I know that some older browsers have trouble with white text. could we maybe try black text on a pastel background instead of white on black? I'll make such a change shortly, revert me if you really think it's bad. ++Lar: t/c 19:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried it, and I see VerructeDan went back to no color background. I support that change as well. I'm just concerned about white text not always working. ++Lar: t/c 15:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Color of title 

message: Is this field meant to be a joke? Laïka 16:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like a joke added by  a while ago that went uncaught.  I have removed it. —Dgiest c 19:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was not my addition; it was added by Lar in this edit. --NE2 22:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Troll" field 

message: I've added the necessary spans and HTML class names for an hCard microformat; plus documentation. Andy Mabbett 16:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Microformat

message: Please monitor the format of Template:Geolinks-US-buildingscale and use it format for offering mapping services.--SallyForth123 03:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Geolinks format 

message: I don't think the map_text parameter is being handled correctly -- it shows up in the label column, not under the image (and even then only if map_cue is defined).  If map_cue is not defined, the text never shows up at all.  It looks pretty ugly in 10th Avenue Bridge (granted, I think that page has too much map_cue text anyways).   I'm pretty sure the "" text needs to be moved to the map image line, not the map_cue line.  I could be wrong though since I've never looked at or touched this template before, so I don't want to change it without checking first.  Carl Lindberg 19:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  map_text parameter 

message: The sufficiency rating for US bridges is available here. This might be added to the box. --Ace Telephone 23:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sufficiency Rating 

message: Over the last year or so a convention seems to have developed whereby coordinates are expected to appear on an article's title line at the right.  To conform, this template would have to be modified to use "coor title d" in preference to "coor d". Thoughts or objections anyone? -Arb. (talk) 21:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What does this mean?  I use { {coord} } for all my coords. - Denimadept (talk) 00:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

text: See the display of the following example for why I'm puzzled:   I put the like on the "coordinates" line of the infobox. - Denimadept (talk) 03:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I think you're missing what I did with that coord above.  It is listing in both places: where I put it and in the title line. - Denimadept (talk) 17:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

text: How's that?  I revised the whole Infobox using the source template, got a more on-target coordinate value (try right-clicking in either Yahoo or Google maps), used the convert template to make the measurements more like what people expect, and plugged in more data from your article. - Denimadept (talk) 18:36, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use "coor title d" in preference to "coor d"? 

message: How does "number of arches" differ from "number of spans"?  I'd think the latter would be more general. - Denimadept (talk) 20:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are probably right - as an artist rather than engineer I think of arches. Just done one test so far. Hope you approve the other additions which I felt needed to be included. Regards Motmit (talk) 20:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The rest of your changes look good.  I downloaded the national db from the Feds yesterday.  There's a LOT more we can add!  I have to write a program to read the Federal data and then figure out what to do with it.  Maybe I could have it emit populated "infobox bridge" entries. - Denimadept (talk) 20:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template changes 

message: The policies at WP:NOPRICES and WP:NOTTRAVEL are unequivocal about this.  Wikipedia is not a catalog and not a travel guide so prices can not be included unless absolutely necessary for the article.  I fail to see how including toll rates follows this policy and the actual tolls need to be deleted. -- KelleyCook (talk) 21:34, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toll Prices 

message: Terraserver is a commercial website which charges US$29/month subscription to access high resolution images. I think it should be removed from the infobox. Discuss... --Cheesy Mike 07:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but that whole section of the infobox should go, and be replaced with a coordinates link, as per my comments, above. Andy Mabbett 08:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: As nobody objected I am removing Terraserver. Anyone care to pick up on Andy Mabbett's comments? --Cheesy Mike 13:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Terraserver usa, the one linked here, is free and run by Microsoft see TerraServer-USA vs Terraserver.com. I prefer its interface, allowing easy viewing of aerial images and topo maps. --Dual Freq 13:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

text: That section is basically optional anyway. |coordinates= line is meant for the  or similar templates. Use Lat= and long= or |coordinates= See example at right, you don't need to use that part of the template, it's in there for backward compatibility. --Dual Freq 03:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Older coordinates templates are now deprecated, Please use . Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 18:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove Terraserver

message: The instructions say that "closed= Closing date", but it displays as "Destruction date", which seems different. The destruction of a bridge may begin on the closing date, or not.
—WWoods (talk) 19:54, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Look above. - Denimadept (talk) 20:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Closing vs. destruction 

message: Why was "title" removed from the "display=inline,title"? []  I noticed that an icon for a bridge, specifically Boone Bridge, is not showing up in Google Earth and I believe this is why, since I think I've read that "title" has to be used.  Note that this will also probably affect Google Maps since it can now show Wikipedia links too. Jason McHuff (talk) 12:36, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was related to a discussion having to do with the basic concept of infoboxes, IIRC.  Defaulting to "title,display" means the infobox affects something outside of its own bounds.  You should note that the change was labeled "for now".  Consensus isn't really stable on this issue.  - Denimadept (talk) 15:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the explanation.  It does make a little sense given how I've read that info boxes (and maybe templates in general) can be confusing to new editors, since the output can look a lot different than what's visible in the edit box.  And I did see the "for now", but didn't really see any discussion and the edit was in September. Jason McHuff (talk) 14:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Pigs changed this which is fine, but it does mean that where a coord had been added outside the box with title, there are now some overlapping coords at the head of page. Any ideas on how to sort this out apart from individual edits? Regards Motmit (talk) 15:01, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the explanation.  It looks like there's some work to do.  I at least fixed the two examples. Jason McHuff (talk) 11:49, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: coord "display=title"

message: I have nominated three bridge templates and two aqueduct templates for deletion, following merger, with this template. Please feel free to comment at the linked debates. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 01:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates for merging and deletion  

message: Instead of the current format (apparently recently merged in from "Infobox bridge2") I would prefer it if the preceded parameter was renamed to preceded_by and if the followed parameter was renamed to followed_by. However, in order to not break any articles still using either the preceded or the followed parameters I would also include them in the template. In order to present the dates and structures in chronological order I would prefer that preceded_by (and preceded) precede the begin parameter and that followed_by (and followed) follow the closed parameter.  In other words I would prefer to see this:
|begin         = 
|complete      = 
|open          = 
|heritage      =
|collapsed     =
|preceded      =
|followed      =
|closed        = 
be changed to:
|preceded_by   =
|preceded      =
|begin         = 
|complete      = 
|open          = 
|heritage      =
|collapsed     =
|closed        = 
|followed_by   =
|followed      =
Would any of you object to such a change? 67.86.73.252 (talk) 13:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  predecessors, followers, and order of presentation 

message: ...another infobox?  I just created Columbia Bridge (New Hampshire) and added the NRHP infobox after the Bridges infobox.  In Cornish-Windsor Covered Bridge, I added the Bridges infobox to an existing article containing the NRHP infobox.  They both look clumsy.  How should I do this?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Denimadept (talk • contribs). 
:I would suggest asking WP:NRHP about removing their infobox from their articles in cases where there is already another infobox, such as Infobox Bridge, and adding the NRHP data to fields in that infobox.  I'd say nearly any other infobox takes precedence as NHRP is regionally restricted to the USA.  WP:NRHP already sets exclusions for lighthouses, after all.  --Geopgeop 11:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would mean we should add the features to Infobox Bridge which are currently only in the NRHP box.  What might be better is if there were a way to incorporate an arbitrary infobox into another infobox.  Then we could have any arbitrary features in Infobox Bridge that are added to another Infobox without having to modify Infobox Bridge further.  Is this functionality available?  I expect that NRHP is already USA-specific, not so?  Is there a more global organization which does the same work? - Denimadept 13:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The issue also arises in the UK, where bridges can enjoy heritage status as a listed structure. The addition of a field to show heritage status would be useful, but I doubt if more than one field would be appropriate. cheers Kbthompson (talk) 18:46, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done - free form "Heritage status" field added. Motmit (talk) 19:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do I use this with... 

message: If a  exists in the infobox, and a new line, "locmapin" (as in ) exists, and points at an image that exists, invoke  as in that infobox? - Denimadept (talk) 21:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's an example of what I mean, using the existing "extra" line: Norwottuck Rail Trail Bridge - Denimadept (talk) 21:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add {{tl|Location map}} to infobox? 

message: I see that this was discussed a while back, but apparently not addresed by someone good at adding new fields.
Until a new field is added, the template should use "Closed", since all destroyed bridges are closed, but not all closed bridges are destroyed.
P.S. "Opened"  vs. "Opening Date" etc. – the former takes less space (good in an infobox) and means the same thing.
—MJBurrage(T•C) 22:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Closed != Destroyed (part 2)

message: My suggestion is to add a field Designation to this template as per Template:Infobox theatre, so that formal listings (e.g. historic places) can be recorded. Schwede66 (talk) 22:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that different from the ? - 143.112.32.4 (talk) 23:35, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the response. I've now seen that there is a field 'Heritage', which does what I want. But it's good to be aware of infobox nrhp, as that can be embedded into other infoboxes - that might come handy one day. Schwede66 (talk) 03:11, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Designation 

message: I would like to replace 

{{#if: {{{lat<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}{{{long|}}}|
{{!}} colspan="2" {{!}}
* [{{Coor URL}}{{{lat}}}_N_{{{long}}}_E_type:landmark_region:US Maps and aerial photos]
** Street map from Google Maps or Yahoo! Maps
** Topographic map from TopoZone
** Aerial image or topographic map from TerraServer-USA
** Satellite image from Google Maps or Microsoft Virtual Earth}}

to use , display the coordinates, add a geo microformat remove the US-specific region and remove the specific links, which belong on .
I think the new code should be:

{{#if: {{{coordinates<includeonly>|</includeonly>}}}| 
! style="vertical-align: middle;" {{!}} [[Geographic coordinate system|Coordinates]]
{{!}} {{Coord|{{{lat}}}|N|{{{long}}}|E|type:landmark|display=inline,title}}

but that doesn't seem to work. Can anyone assist, please? Andy Mabbett 22:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the N and E parameters because it was making negative east coordinates here in the western hemisphere. 117Avenue (talk) 05:09, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Great! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 22:40, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinates 

message: The fields were reorganised by the following notional categories:
* naming
* image
* function
* location
* design
* construction
* operation
* geolocation
It might still benefit from further reorganisation and say the addition of a |dismantled/demolished field.
Stuffed cat (talk) 12:58, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganised 

message: If both of these are provided, there's no line break between them.  See Hohenzollernbrücke after I finish editing it soon. - Denimadept (talk) 21:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: 117Avenue (talk) 23:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  Some day, I may have to learn the microformatting language used here. - Denimadept (talk) 23:48, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bridge name/Native name 

message: I've tried to improve the Teston bridge article by switching from  to .
I'm sorry to say that I found the instructions for using this template not helpful. There is no example to copy from so that one can see what needs to be put where. For whatever reason, the map will display, but no red dot appears to show the location of the bridge on the map. There is nothing here saying how to achieve this! Mjroots (talk) 07:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, the reason you're seeing a map displayed correctly is that I've hidden the bridge infobox until such time as it will display everything correctly. Until then, the historic building infobox is in use. At least that template has detailed instructions. Mjroots (talk) 07:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  It looks like you figured it out?  As far as I can tell, this template doesn't have a "built-in" location map feature, so it has to be added manually as you have done.  That could be added, but it hasn't been yet.  Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:58, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: This template is impossible to understand

message: The information for this template is very US centric. In particular, the field for 'id' links to the National Bridge Inventory, which only applies to US bridges. There are many other forms of number that could be put there (eg in the UK, Historic Engineering Work number, listed building number). Espresso Addict (talk) 19:52, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: So add the other options as ... other options. - Denimadept (talk) 09:31, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sadly I don't speak template speak; I'd be terrified of breaking it. Espresso Addict (talk) 14:32, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

text: parameter, after 1½ months with no objections or discussion - Evad37 [talk] 04:33, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

text: I don't speak "template" either.  Now to see how this works out. :-) - Denimadept (talk) 20:48, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  US centric 

message: The harbour bridge example shows (start-date) where the Infobox example says to use (start date).
One takes ddmonyy to give yy mm dd, the other vice versa. And the date examples used does nothing as it's already in the correct format but then corrupted(?) by the wrong conversion ...
Does the use of (start date) provide a benefit (HTML micro code) that the date in plain text doesn't give?  --Dave Rave (talk) 21:10, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: the benefits of using  are listed in the documentation for .  feel free to fix any inaccuracies or inconsistencies in the documentation for that template, or this template. Frietjes (talk) 14:07, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy edit 

message: Replacing  with  sometimes changes the map from a political (?) map to a relief map, as in Anderson Memorial Bridge. Other times, such as in Amtrak Susquehanna River Bridge, it stays with the political (?) map. Why the difference, and does anyone see the inconsistency as a problem? Is there anything I should be doing differently here? ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 12:22, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Mandruss, the difference is between Template:Location map USA Maryland and Module:Location map/data/USA Massachusetts.  the Maryland template has no relief map, so it fallsback to use the political map. Frietjes (talk) 17:57, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I will infer that the answers to my second and third questions are no and no. ‑‑Mandruss ☎ 18:19, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it as a problem.  I don't want the map to change.  Depending on the situation, the political map may make more sense than the relief map, or vise versa. - Denimadept (talk) 21:43, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:   if you want the political map, set  as blank or 0 or no.  if you want the relief map, set  or yes.  if the relief map does not exist, then it won't matter, since it only has one map.  Frietjes (talk) 15:18, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent, ! - Denimadept (talk) 00:08, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  map_type map type 

message: Can a parameter for who a bridge is named for be added to the template? Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 15:48, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Allen (Morriswa), added  from template:infobox settlement. Frietjes (talk) 18:43, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Namesake 

message: Could someone link ; clearance_below to air draft? Peter Horn User talk 17:08, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done. Thanks. Alakzi (talk) 17:10, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Similarly link |clearance= to air draft, see Gerald Desmond Bridge.There are no doubt many others. Peter Horn User talk 18:56, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Case in point: Captain Cook Bridge, Brisbane. Peter Horn User talk 19:51, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Caveat! I found this: Laurier Railway Bridge |clearance     = AAR structure gauge. Peter Horn User talk 20:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto Bordeaux Railway Bridge  |clearance     = AAR structure gauge. Peter Horn User talk 20:53, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

text: Clarification required. | clearance was eleminated Peter Horn User talk 20:55, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm a little confused. What would you like me to clarify? Alakzi (talk) 21:06, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

text: There is a problem with "to the bridge deck" which is somewhat ambiguous, if not meaningless, to sailors. See Goodwill Bridge#Specifications
* Height: Clearance for River Vessels  from high water level to the bridge deck (same height as Victoria and Captain Cook bridges) Peter Horn User talk 17:14, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:   is the old parameter name of ; they both refer to clearance above the deck. It'll take some time to clean up all transclusions of the infobox. Alakzi (talk) 18:12, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:   See :Category:Articles using Template:Infobox bridge with clearance - I could use some help with cleaning all of these up. We need to determine whether  refers to clearance above or below and change the parameter name accordingly. Alakzi (talk) 01:25, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

text: Ah yes, The captain of a ship, etc. would be interested in knowing how much room is available under the bridge, taking into consideration such factors as tides in the case of seas or high run off in the case of rivers and lakes. Clearance above could refer to clearance above the deck as being synonymous, in the case of truss bridges and others, with structure gauge signifying the maximum size of vehicles or trains, loading gauge, being able to cross. A parameter called overall hight would be interesting for all pilots who would want to avoid flying into the bridge. I may not have time to help because I'm often busy with the usages of template:infobox locomotive etc. Peter Horn User talk 16:18, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Btw, I just realized that overall height is covered simply by |height. Peter Horn User talk 01:16, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

text: Perhaps "clearance above" could be linked to structure gauge. Peter Horn User talk 01:21, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  A usefull link 

message: I could probably do it, easily enough, but
number_of_spans / spans
and a couple of others needs to be in the documentation Dave Rave (talk) 00:43, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  duplicate items 

message: A maintenance category used for this template, :Category:Pages using deprecated coordinates format, is being considered for deletion here. Your input is requested.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  14:34, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed deletion of maintenance [[:Category:Pages using deprecated coordinates format]] 

message: I want to be able to specify a map marker.  The default red marker is fine for most cases, but I prefer to use the black pog for bridge which are no longer present.  How can I do this?  See Suffield and Thompsonville Bridge for an example. - Denimadept (talk) 08:38, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Denimadept, try using  Frietjes (talk) 15:41, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we get that documented, please? - Denimadept (talk) 20:20, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map marker 

message: There appears to be no provision for rail data fields as is the case with Template:Infobox tunnel. Peter Horn User talk 00:47, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Such as
| notrack       = number of tracks
| gauge         = 
| el            = or electrification =
Peter Horn User talk 01:30, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

text: This info is relevant in the following:
* Laurier Railway Bridge
* Bordeaux Railway Bridge
* Victoria Bridge (Montreal)
* Quebec Bridgeand othersIn addition Template:Infobox tunnel has the field | lanes         = relevant in 
* Victoria Bridge (Montreal)
* Quebec Bridgeand othersPeter Horn User talk 14:18, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

text: Peter Horn, we can definitely add this, but will wait a day or two to see if there are any objections. Frietjes (talk) 14:35, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Noted. Peter Horn User talk 15:21, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  So far no objections. Peter Horn User talk 00:24, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Peter Horn, added see documentation for example. Frietjes (talk) 13:41, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the additional fields in the "copy and paste" list yet. Can I now add  the fields in the existing infoboxes in the way that I proposed them? Peter Horn User talk 13:49, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Peter Horn, search the documentation page for "electrification" and you will find them.  the parameters in the cut-and-paste are in the order that they appear in the infobox. Frietjes (talk) 13:51, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

text: Thanks. Just one more. In the case of carriage ways, a field for the number of lanes. In addition, I have used clearance above as synonymous with structure gauge. That is perhaps not quite right. Peter Horn User talk 14:03, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Peter Horn, added , will add  shortly. Frietjes (talk) 14:12, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Number of lanes", a link, would be nice. Peter Horn User talk 17:10, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Peter Horn, Template:Infobox tunnel doesn't link this common word. Frietjes (talk) 17:12, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, but it wouldn't do any harm to link lane in both templates. In addition, in the case of the tunnel template gives "height" as the clearance above the roadway. Peter Horn User talk 17:52, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Peter Horn, go ahead, but someone may delink it as a COMMONWORD. Frietjes (talk) 22:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

text: The field "|clearance =" shows as "clearance above". I assume that this is the clearance from the deck to the underside of the lowest structural member across the deck. Correct me if I be wrong. Time here is 20:42. I'll look at this tomorrow. Peter Horn User talk 00:27, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Peter Horn, there are two clearance parameters,  and . uses of  are being tracked in :Category:Articles using Template:Infobox bridge with clearance presumably either (a) for inspection, or (b) for parameter replacement since it's ambiguous.  for , I would say this is as you described, basically what restricts the height of vehicles which may pass over the bridge. Frietjes (talk) 13:33, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  So then  should be linked to structure gauge as well, like this ? Peter Horn User talk 21:53, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Peter Horn, from the article, structure gauge = "minimum height and width", so I would think that  is the "minimum height" (i.e., height but not width). someone at WT:WikiProject Trains would probably know for sure. Frietjes (talk) 21:56, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

text: That should have read . In Template:infobox tunnel the corresponding parameter is  In addition, if  refers to the clear or net width of the bridge and not to the over-all width then we could possibly have  Peter Horn User talk 22:17, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rail data fields 

message: Hello, I just realized that | Clearance_below is not really synonymous with air draft. Clearance_below is really air draft plus Engineering tolerance#Clearance (civil engineering). Also, in the case of overpasses the clearance_below means the distance from the underside of the overpass to the pavement or the top of rail below. Peter Horn User talk 01:15, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clearance below 

message: How about including a field denoting how bridges rank with regards to current seismic standards?  Most municipalities compile listings of these, it'd be great to increase the visibility. --Hooperbloob (talk) 20:08, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Earthquake standards

message: Currently the Carries field is listed to contain what mode uses it, i.e. trains, motor vehicles, pedestrians or bicycles as applicable. Given that just about all railway lines and many major roads have articles, would it be of more value to include the relevant wikilinked articles instead, as done at Golden Gate Bridge, Menangle Railway Bridge and Mooney Mooney Bridge in this field? Avgas7 (talk) 03:52, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carries field 

message: The label "Construction begin" is not very good grammar. Unless there are any objections, I will change it to "Construction start", without renaming the parameter, in a few days time. Thryduulf (talk) 13:11, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Construction begin" 

message: I'd like to be able to embed Infobox NRHP within Infobox bridge for bridges listed on the National Register of Historic Places; does anyone know how to edit this template so that it can take embedded infoboxes? Many thanks to anyone who can help!-Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 15:09, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: , at the moment, the best way to do this is through the  parameter. Frietjes (talk) 16:31, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, thank you! The documentation on the other end only mentioned the parameters  and ; I'll edit there to mention "extra" as another likely label. Much appreciated!-Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 17:32, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Embedded infobox modules 

message: On infrastructure projects, especially large-scale ones, there is always an independent design verifier that works for the client, alongside the main design company, that has the role of checking and coming up with suggestions on how the design can be corrected or improved. This is a very important role in the design process. I suggest adding a new item to the infobox called "Independent Design Verifier", with the parameter "|verifier".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mainsubject (talk • contribs) 10:01, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Independent Design Verifier" to be added to infobox 

message: There is no parameter that I can see which should be used to write Road number or Rail line name. Some usage of the template uses the parameter "carries" for this, but it is against the documentation advice.--BIL (talk) 17:01, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Road number or Rail line name 

message: The map of the whole state with a little dot doesn't seem as useful as a map of the local metropolitan area which then has the dot. See for example Bridge to Nowhere (San Gabriel Mountains). -Inowen (nlfte) 06:40, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Localize maps 

message: How many tracks has a bridge with a gauntleted track? One or two? My specific case is Prince of Wales Bridge. On google streetview you can see the gauntleted track. --Nobelium (talk) 20:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, the bridge is indeed just one track with strange additional "rails" in between. But the general question remains. --Nobelium (talk) 15:48, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: looks like a rail with a maintenance track in between ....but still, what about a two into almost the same space as one gauntlet ? Dave Rave (talk) 07:45, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

text:  a gauntleted track could be two tracks, interlinking, with points, into a single set of rails, or, two tracks, crossing without points, into two tracks adjacent but not one, four rails, to save the wear and tear on the points, and extra the interlocking Dave Rave (talk) 00:01, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of tracks 

message: I'd like to change the label from Locale to Location. Location to me is much clearer. Says "this is where the bridge is located". Locale can also mean the style for a particular location. To be clear,  would still work...--Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:32, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: when does locale infer a style ? Dave Rave (talk) 23:57, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Locale (computer software) --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:03, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  that's a little application specific to be a generic stumbling block on a location Dave Rave (talk) 00:32, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  maybe its just me, but I do software development for a living. I've always heart "locale" to mean to style and customs of a location. But if there is an objection to the change than fine. Literally every other infobox I've looked at on here uses "location" so... --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:39, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  okay, back to front, a location would be specific-ish but a locale 'could' infer more than just a location. not sure if relevant, or necessary, but ... Dave Rave (talk) 00:51, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location vs Locale 

message: The documentation lists the field 'open' before 'inaugurated' and this makes sense to me as typically the maintaining agency will open the bridge whenever the safety inspection concludes successfully and some time later the local government will arrange a ceremonial opening at their convenience. However when the template is parsed the Inaugurated date is displayed in the article infobox above the Opened date. My request is that the template source code be changed to display them in the reverse order in keeping with the documentation, with the Opened date above the Inaugurated date. — ⚞🐈ℛogueScholar🗨₨Talk⚟ 12:44, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done \color{blue}\chichi (talk) 14:00, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 20 August 2019 

message: I feel bad, but when the maps/coordinates were introduced to the infobox it has caused a headache in the top right corner of overlapping coordinate templates. I am an admin, but I'm a meh coder at best, so if we can send a bot to cleanup the mess made by. Mitch32(Fame is a four letter word.) 19:49, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  When you are reporting a problem, it is always helpful to link to at least one page that demonstrates the problem. I just checked eight of the 5,000+ articles that use this infobox, and I did not see any problems. This infobox has accepted coordinates for many years. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:53, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at the bridges over the Delaware River. Portland–Columbia Toll Bridge, Darlington's Bridge at Delaware Station. I have had to fix this in a couple others. There has to be more. Mitch32(Fame is a four letter word.) 20:35, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the links. I see what you mean. It looks like  added the ability for this template to retrieve coordinates from Wikidata, and when there are also coordinates in the article but outside of the infobox, two sets of coordinates are displayed. Normally, when there are coordinates in the infobox and in the article, the article will display a red error message and be placed in . It looks like bringing in coordinates from Wikidata does not trigger this error. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:02, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. Wikidata stuff is a bit over my head. Even though I was just at WikiConference North America, which is why my response was delayed, i still can't grasp it. Mitch32(Fame is a four letter word.) 02:56, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fix the coordinates with a bot?