Category talk:WikiProjects

message: As a tourist to this page I have no idea how to update it. However, it needs a bit of updating as the WikiProject Cryptography doesn't appear to be here. I looked in the alfa section and at the end where there is some non alfa stuff. If anyone reads this who can update this page, it would be good to do so. Thanks. ww 17:01, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Crypto did. Done. ww 14:07, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: missing project

message: Under "W" (possibly where Ww saw "at the end ... some non alfa stuff"), we now find a dozen WikiProjects that seem to be sorted by the "Wikiproject" part of the name. No obvious reason why they do that but most don't. Is this a sorting-software problem? I hope someone can permanently fix it. Robin Patterson 01:20, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It can be fixed by providing a sorting title with the category link, e.g. Example for WikiProject Example, sorts it under 'E' instead of 'W'. Most are alreday set up this way, and I'm fixing the rest now. T.P.K. 06:11, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Alpha order? 3 months later not quite

message: There are too many WikiProjects here, making any given one very hard to find, and causing subcategory spillover onto a separate page.  Topical subcategories should be created, along the lines of Wikipedia:List of WikiProjects. -- Beland 21:56, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup request 

message: Is it "Category:Topic WikiProjects" like in the main subcats, or "Category:WikiProject Topic" like in the subcats? Rfrisbietalk 15:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the distinction at this point is pretty arbitrary; "Category:Topic WikiProjects" was chosen for solely the really broad categories (some of which, like "Religion WikiProjects" and "Music WikiProjects", later ended up becoming subcategories of even broader categories), but "Category:WikiProject Topic" would have worked just as well even for those, considering that WikiProjects exist for all of those topics except "Regional". On the one hand, it would be easier to make everything conform to the "Topic WikiProjects" style (including ones that don't technically have WikiProjects at this point, but serve a categorizing purpose) because there are so many fewer exceptions than to a system that goes the other way around; but on the other hand, people could be confused by "WikiProject Topic" into thinking that it's a category only for that WikiProject and not for related and daughter projects (though one could argue that such confusion is more likely, not less, if we aren't completely consistent in what naming style we use). We should probably discuss this before making any further renames. -Silence 16:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's going to be some distinction between a category used by a single WikiProject (for its subpages and the like), which presumably can be set up to be most useful to that project, and categories that organize multiple WikiProjects, which need to concentrate more on being useful to the casual browser.  Without delving too deeply into the exact nature of the relationship between "hierarchical" WikiProjects (that's a can of worms I think we should avoid opening for as long as possible), I think something like "Music-related WikiProjects" or "WikiProjects on music" (versus "WikiProject Music") might work. Kirill Lokshin 16:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have :Category:Music WikiProjects, which is much simpler than "Music-related" or "on music" or anything like that. -Silence 17:02, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true; it would be good to establish this as the preferred naming convention for similar categories further down the category tree, though. Kirill Lokshin 17:16, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

text: But that would make no distinction between categories for WikiProjects and categories used internally by a single WikiProject.  Or are you suggesting we combine the two? Kirill Lokshin 18:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true, but I'm also not sure why two naming conventions would be necessary.  For example, does it matter that :Category:Music WikiProjects started off as a "main subcategory" but now is a notch lower?  Does it matter that :Category:WikiProject Education groups other subcategories and projects, even though it doesn't "supervise" them?  Those who are most interested in these finer distinctions will readily recognize them.  Those who aren't, won't have to worry about such subtle differences and try to change them. Rfrisbietalk 19:07, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Of course, a big problem with using "Category:Topic WikiProject" for everything is that there's so much inertia for using "Category:WikiProject Topic".  In any event, I still believe picking one convention for all categories here is the best way to go. Rfrisbietalk 19:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the major practical distinction is the intended audience of the category.  For example, :Category:WikiProject Films lists all of the articles that project has tagged, which may be useful for its members; but for any other WikiProject that gets filed into it, it means that they'll be lost in a sea of (to them) irrelevant entries.  On the other hand, I'm not sure that mandating a particular use of categories by all WikiProjects would be a good idea; individual projects have traditionally had significant latitude in running themselves, and I'd like for that to remain the case. Kirill Lokshin 20:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject category naming convention 

message: I have moved many of the WikiProjects listed under "Pages in category 'WikiProjects'" into their respective subcategories on the page. I have also removed some that were already listed in the subcategories in addition to the "Pages" section. My reasoning was that since most of the WikiProjects are listed in the subcategories section and the majority of them aren't listed under the "Pages" section, it was redundant to have WikiProjects listed in both placed (all of the subcategories are descendants of Category:WikiProjects anyway) and it was easier to find one if you don't know the name (if you did, you probably wouldn't be on this page) if it was listed under subcategories (also, to reiterate, the majority are already listed there.) 24.126.199.129 01:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Organizing

message: Hi, I'm reasonably new to Wikipedia editing (6 months or so) so please excuse any ignorance on my part, but I see individual users have added WikiProjects as a category on their pages so that they appear on this page in the middle of all the category listings; is this right, or should they be deleted? Seems quite strange. Thanks for any advice. MarkThomas 10:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Users listed in the main page

message: Being the intersection of Categories and WikiProjects, this page is very confusing.  I was looking for a specific WikiProject myself and found it not thanks to but rather in spite of this page (what I was looking for was WikiProject_Climbing, that page is listed as WikiProjects -> Culture WikiProjects -> Sports WikiProjects -> WikiProject Sports -> WikiProject Climbing).  I recycled/added a (rather ugly-looking) piece of advice, but I think this Category and its subCategories deserve some more attention, which I'm willing to help with (at least a bit).  It seems that the discussion here has not yielded strong results though...--StevenDH (talk) 02:06, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the organisation here is bad. It is very confusing when some WikiProjects are diffused to subcategories and others are not. I suggest we diffuse them all, and I suggest we use the well-established Wikipedia 1.0 scheme (arts, language and literature, everyday life, philosophy and religion, social sciences and society, history, geography and places, engineering and technology, mathematics and natural sciences) to do it. Any objections? Any volunteers to help? Geometry guy 20:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I'll help.  I don't know how much time I can spend on it, but we'll see...  Your suggestion seems like a good idea (though I'm not very familiar with WP 1.0), as that would reflect the subject tree already used elsewhere.  Maybe we should set up some text somewhere explaining what we're doing because pages maintained by a lot of people are going to be affected.  Also, does this job fit somewhere in what WP:WikiProject Council is doing?  I suggested people look in the directory over there to find the WikiProject they're looking for, but apparently that's a mess too.  Oh, before I forget, this task seems suited for some automation tool, is there anything of particular interest available? -- StevenDH (talk) 00:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added hopefully helpful hint