Talk:List of The Chronicles of Amber characters

message: (Note: These were previously above the table of contents. Ladlergo 12:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: good point - he's now in (Bill Roth)
Also could someone list (with a spoiler warning) the two different three person factions that were going after the thrown.
131.247.44.177 16:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

text: See Sign of the Unicorn Percy Snoodle 15:35, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  == Misc comments == 

message: No, it isn't.  That would be Modnar.  Also, "More tellingly" of what?  Percy Snoodle 20:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - I'm removing those lines. Percy Snoodle 11:33, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mandor is an anagram for Random, though, which seems intentional.  To take a Latin example, Vergil's Aeneid 4.1 has the line "At regina graui iamdudum saucia cura."  Ovid, at Amores 2.1.7 has "atque aliquis iuvenum quo nunc ego saucius arcu."  The similarity between both location of the lines and their content (both Dido and Ovid have been "wounded" by Cupid) is emphasized by the anagrammatic play on Vergil's "cura."  (My information on these verses is from conversions with J.C. McKeown, who discusses them  in his Amores : text, prolegomena, and commentary in four volumes, Vol. 3, 1998, Liverpool.  He cites D.J. Califf's "Amores 2.1.7-8: A Programmatic Allusion by Anagram" in Classical Quarterly 47.2: 604-5, 1997.)  Mike Nerdahl 21:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you be a bit more specific in why it seems intentional?  I can't follow you. Ladlergo 12:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, why indeed?  My discussion above is more to argue that the name "Mandor" seems intentional and noticing that as such is significant. Wordplay and names seem important to the series, as (for example) the mirror city of Amber is called "Rebma."  I have no obvious interpretation for the possible anagrammatical allusion between Mandor and Random, but perhaps << SPOILER ALERT !! >> it gives a hint to the ultimate ending of the series.  Mandor tries to rule Chaos (becoming a mirror of Random ruling Amber) by compelling and secretly manipulating Merlin via the spikard.  Whether or not this play on Random's name is intended is perhaps worthy of discussion, but - after all - may not be useful or solid enough for the main article. Mike Nerdahl 22:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mandor == Random backwards 

message: Why Caine's mother is mentioned as unknown, while Zelazny's/Randall's "Visual Guide to Amber" tells that it was Rilga? I haven't checked lineages in Corwin's chronicles, but I suppose, there's no any discrepancy between these sources.
Actually there is a problem with Caine. In "The Hand of Oberon" Corwin says that Caine would be nect in succession (before Bleys). However in "Blood of Amber" Merlin refers to Caine as to full brother of Gerard and Julian (they were younger than Bleys). The Visual Guide takes Merlin's version. This website  explains this issue in the following way:
A7) What's the deal with Caine's parentage anyway?
  According to Corwin, Caine is just after him in the succession, yet
  Merlin says Caine, Julian, and Gerard are full brothers.  That should
  put Bleys and Brand ahead of Caine, unless Caine is illegitimate, but
  Corwin never mentions that.  An evaluation of the situation:
  a.) Both Corwin and Merlin are correct.
    i) Caine may be the illegitimate son of Rilga.  This may be the
    most popular explanation.  It's certainly the simplest.
    ii) Caine may be legitimate, and Oberon was involved in (yet
    another) bigamous marriage, knowingly or not, and/or some (more)
    strange timeflow problems.
    iii) Julian and Gerard should have been directly after Caine in
    the succession but have been delayed for unspecified reasons.
    (One might imagine Gerard accepting this without a fuss, but
    Julian would seem a different matter...)
  b.) Corwin is wrong but Merlin is correct.  It seems unlikely for
  Corwin to miss a small detail like who is right behind him in the
  succession (then again, at an earlier point, he thinks of himself
  and Random as full brothers).  This would imply Caine is somewhere
  else in the succession, perhaps immediately before Julian.
  c.) Merlin is wrong but Corwin is correct.  In this case, Caine is
  the son of an unnamed woman, whether legitimate or not, born sometime
  between Corwin and Fiona.  (The _Complete Amber Sourcebook_ takes the
  view that Caine is Corwin's full brother, born after him and before
  Deirdre, but hardly anyone else does.)
  d.) Both Corwin and Merlin are wrong.  Anything goes.  Make up your
  own thing. 
Regards, Jasra 21:29, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caine's provenance 

message: Does anyone else consider Ghostwheel to be a character who should be mentioned?  I'd add it, but I'm not sure where it should go (under Merlin vs. new section including the Unicorn and the Serpent). Ladlergo 14:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ghostwheel

message: On another note about Mandor, "mando" in Latin is not "to trust" but "to command" (like "mandate") or "to entrust to," coming from the roots "manus" (hand) and "do" (to give).  To trust is more along the lines of "credo," "fido," or "confido". Mike Nerdahl 21:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mandor == Latin Meaning 

message: Hi! I don't know what is correct, but I do know something is wrong.
The page says:
1. Merlin is the great-grandson of Benedict.
2. Dara is the great-granddaughter of Benedict.
3. Merlin is the son of Dara.
I'm guessing Merlin is actually the great-great-grandson of Benedict, but I'm not positive. Please has fix?
96.255.185.224 (talk) 21:55, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something wrong with genealogy here!