Template talk:WikiProject banner shell/Archive 2

message: Why do we have both  and ? Having two banners doing - at first glance, correct me if I'm wrong - essentially the same thing is going to make developing automated processes to apply and manipulate this scheme all the more difficult... --kingboyk 13:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This one shows what WikiProjects the article is apart of and the rating without having to expand anything. Many people complained that with , the WikiProjects were essentially hidden unless the banner was expanded. This one shows the WikiProjects and rating without expanding. Unfortunately, this one requires a simple code change.↔NMajdan•talk 13:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see. So this one requires special support by the WikiProject template, whereas the other is simply a generic container? --kingboyk 13:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. The previous section on this talk page contains the code that needs to be added to a WikiProject's banner which allows it to be "nested." But, as I said, the benefit of this is a user that goes directly to a talk page (such as Talk:2007 Fiesta Bowl) can immediately see which WikiProjects this article is apart of and the assessment rating.↔NMajdan•talk 13:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for clearing that up. --kingboyk 13:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why two? 

message: Your participation is requested for a discussion of the multiple project banner issue at WP:COUNCIL — here.  Thanks -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple Banner discussion 

message: See here this concerns several aspects of the WikiProject templates and their implementation. Quadzilla99 00:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Village Pump conversation concerning these templates

message: Please see discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject reform#The scope, regarding WikiProject scopes getting off track. I think a lot of stuff can be cleared up by better work load distribution and less redundant tagging, and the WikiProject scope is in the center of that. -- Ned Scott 00:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject banners and scopes 

message: Couple more requests,  and  need the code added so they collapse. Thanks.--Kranar drogin 21:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This template was created specifically for WikiProjects.  While one could possibly argue that WP1.0 is similar to a WikiProject, FAOL definitely isn't.  I'm hesitant to add either of those to this shell.  Anyone have other thoughts on this? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say keep them both out of this template. The use of the wrapper template is not completely uncontroversial, so better not include any border line talk headers. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 22:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WP1.0

message: The concept behind this template is good, but I think it would be better if the importance rating by project was displayed instead of the quality rating, since the quality rating will hardly, if ever, vary between projects. Importance, on the other hand, varies widely by project as an article that is low-importance in one project may be top-importance in another. The quality could still be displayed on the top line of the template somehow, but the importance should be what's displayed by project. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 20:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Each project can decide which information to display in their one line, since the coding is on the banner side.  Project name, quality, and importance are the ones I've seen, but the project can decide.  If you have one you'd like to implement importance on, let me know. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 20:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, but what I'd really like is a sitewide change as described in my initial post. Otherwise, it would look odd that one project displays importance when the others display quality. I guess a suitable compromise would be to display both classes, such as "U.S. Interstate Highway WikiProject (Rated Start-Class, High-Importance)". (1) Has this been done before and (2) is it possible based on the code? --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 14:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I meant to say - the code on an individual project's banner is what determines what shows up on "their" line, the banner shell doesn't determine that.  So one could go through the 254 currently compliant banners and add importance, but a) that's a lot of work, and b) one really should get the project's buy-in for that change. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, could the importance be added to , where I (as the organizer of the project) doubt there'd be any backlash to the change? --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 20:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, but only the WP:PERU's banner does --Andersmusician $ 04:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the point is that other WikiProjects display class because they want to.  If they don't want to, they can either change class to importance or they can ask someone here to do it.  It's really very flexible.  :) — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 14:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality vs. Importance 

message: I already posted on Biography about the error in its implementation (WPBiography uses , and as Disavian said colspan should be 3 rather than 2, but I also have one more question. Biography box has two options, needs-photo=yes and needs-infobox=yes which creates two new boxes, which are not hidden when the rest of the box is hidden. Should that be hidden, and if so, can some expert admin do that? Shinhan 15:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:Bio discussed that when they implemented the nesting function and decided not to hide the boxes. <shrug> What can you do :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can put small=yes in the WPBiography so those two boxes are small and right aligned :) Shinhan 05:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can remove needs-photo, for one, and put  after .  It's still out in the open like they want it, kind of like the BLP notice, and it doesn't screw up the shell.  — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 01:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there something similar for needs-infobox? Shinhan 10:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography questions 

message: puts space above and below the box when nested. Any idea why or how to fix? Example: Talk:Coleman Hawkins --Shinhan 15:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeh - that project has a totally un-standard banner.  I barely got it to work with the nesting code, so I left it like that.  Feel free to complain to them on their project page :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How can I play with templates in sandbox? I'd like to try and find what exactly needs by using trial-and-error which is not a good idea when done on live templates... I mean, can I just type  and it will transclude it correctly? (once I copy the Kansas template to my TestTemplate subpage) Shinhan 18:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep - thats exactly right. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After a little experimenting in sandbox to confirm my suspicions I have removed "margin-bottom: 15px; margin-top: 15px;" from style clause and it looks fine now. It can probably be also put back, conditional on nested=no if someone really wants it. would  work for that (if put at the end of the style in first line)? Shinhan 05:21, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That should work.  Make sure the whole thing from  is inside the style quotation marks and it that will probably do it. Nice work :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:28, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Kansas 

message: needs more conditional code, to nest the photo/infobox sub-banners when nested=yes, or it renders  pretty much useless. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 22:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to bring that up with WP:WPBIO - they're in control of how their banner looks. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: needs-photo can be solved by taking out to reqphoto. AFAIK, WPBio doesnt want to hide needs-photo and needs-infobox boxes. Personally, Film's ArticleUpgrade box is much bigger eyesore. Shinhan 02:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProjectBannerShell & WPBiography major incompatibility 

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Since the protection has been enacted documentation has disappeared. After browsing several other protected templates I noticed this other way that is used for documenting protected templates. Nothing needs to be moved as documentation already resides at /doc subpage. Shinhan 15:46, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 16:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: is that a criteria? think should be reverted --Andersmusician $ 06:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the protection had anything to do with it. The template was coded to look for a page in the Template namespace named Template:template doc, rather than a subpage of the template's own page. By the way, rather than the solution we have now, wouldn't  be a little simpler? —Elipongo (Talk|contribs) 08:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: WP:ILIKEIT, the problem would be that noobies might not see/read documentation without colors IMO --Andersmusician $ 17:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Before protection everything worked and looked nice. After protection, with no other changes, documentation disappeared. Other protected templates that have documentation use . Therefore, in order to see anything at all, this is better solution. Shinhan 19:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection hides documentation 

message: This is sort of a feature request/proposal: if users wish to collapse the external box (to give a visual appearance akin to ), then we could easily add a collapsed parameter. 
*Sandboxed version here: User:Disavian/Sandbox/BannerShell Test1
*Example collapsed shell here: User:Disavian/Sandbox/BannerShell Test2
—Disavian (talk/contribs) 13:24, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a way to javascript that in?  Say, put an id='nestingprojectbanners', then some javascript onload that collapses the box automatically? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never set the ID of collapsible banners; it'll just be overwritten by Common.js.  — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 16:48, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So that banner haters can autohide BannerShell from within monobook.js? Shinhan 14:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This might be enough to get the banner hiders to allow us to replace all instances of Banners with BannerShell! Shinhan 14:35, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I have no idea how to modify templates based on user styles... it would be an interesting feature, to be sure. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 14:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: If the user changes their mind, do they just delete the cookie? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 06:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's how it is right now; I've been trying to think of a better way and have failed so far.  Feel free to make suggestions.  :) — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 06:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I created a fairly elegant snippet of JavaScript that will actually add a checkbox to the Misc tab in Special:Preferences to turn the transformation on and off.  The only problem is, almost no JavaScript is run for Special:Preferences, for security reasons.  If we wanted to implement this, it wouldn't work in MediaWiki:Common.js, or in a user's monobook.js, it'd have to be added to wikibits.js by a developer, and that would take a lot of persuasion.  — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 00:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: OK, I've changed it now so if you double-click the show/hide button, it toggles it to switch formats.  e.g., you double-click [hide], and it'll refresh it, transforming it into a WikiProjectBanners.  double-click [show], and it'll transform it back into a WikiProjectBannerShell.  Please do test it out!  I'm on Wikibreak! — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 05:54, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collapsed 

message: Is there a way to have the WP:BLP notice regarding negative/poorly sourced info to always remain visible?  I just keep that particular banner outside of WPB for the time being... it may automagically do it (I don't know).  Figured I should ask/suggest first.  ;-)  /Blaxthos 03:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Im not sure I understand. When implementing BannerShell you should always add |blp=yes and this can not be done automatically. WPB = WikiProjectBanners? You'r keeping WPBiography outside of WikiProjectBanners because they collapse everything? WikiProjectBannerShell supports both BLP notice and active politician notice (|activepol=yes), is implemented in more than 900 banners and can be made to auto-hide by a simple javascript call. — Shinhan < talk > 05:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Just to clear up confusion, he's been adding  but he just didn't know about the blp parameter.  Blaxthos, just add |blp=yes like so and you'll be fine.  — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 05:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:BLP]] Special Case 

message: Thought this might make some people smile. — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 00:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, baby! TAnthony 17:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  :) 

message: In case anyone's wondering, SatyrTN told me that as of 01:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProjectBannerShell vs. WikiProjectBanners

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject Pedophilia Article Watch/WikiProjectNotice needs to be adjusted in order to comply. __meco 01:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 01:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And I've added it to the WP banner category. TAnthony 01:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banner needing attention 

message: On Talk:Cowboy Copas, I noticed that a blank line appeared between  and  unless I have removed any line breaks between the two as in

Maybe a more template-knowledgeable person can take a look which of the two causes that. Regards, BNutzer 21:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was a fun one, neither template on its own causes it.  contains an extra linebreak that interacts with a similar extra linebreak that was in . Removing either fixes this problem; I fixed one already and posted an  request for the other. Anomie 00:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: FYI, I left a quick message at the above location letting this editor know that WP:Bio had decided for themselves to basically leave these tags alone. TAnthony 15:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Both parameters are known problems.  WikiProject Biography wants them in the banner shell, and we don't.  I suggest changing needs-photo=yes to  (placed outside the banner shell).  And needs-infobox=yes... either you can just remove it, or you can add it to :Category:Articles needing an infobox (better), or you can add an infobox (best).  — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 15:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banner(s) needing attention 

message: Please see Template talk:WPBiography#Width and padding issues with needs-photo and needs-infobox flags. Regards, BNutzer 15:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, I left a quick message at the above location letting this editor know that WP:Bio had decided for themselves to basically leave these tags alone. TAnthony 15:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Both parameters are known problems.  WikiProject Biography wants them in the banner shell, and we don't.  I suggest changing needs-photo=yes to  (placed outside the banner shell).  And needs-infobox=yes... either you can just remove it, or you can add it to :Category:Articles needing an infobox (better), or you can add an infobox (best).  — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 15:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WPBiography template: problem with needs-photo and needs-infobox flags

message: Thinking forward, is it appropriate for us to add the nesting capability to the WikiProject banner code sample at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/WikiProject and Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/Technical notes (and anywhere else it might be for instructional purposes)? It occurred to me that while some editors creating a new WikiProject banner may copy an existing one, others may go directly to the source. TAnthony 03:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The one on /Guide/WikiProject I would, since it has multiple examples, and they support |small (it is a valid analogy.)  The other one is just a simple table, though, designed to be as simple as possible.  I'd like to add it, but I don't think it would be A Good Thing.  — Madman bum and angel (talk – desk) 03:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided to be bold and make the changes to /Guide/Technical notes. I also added :Category:WikiProject banners into both of them, so new banners based on these examples will be more likely to be categorized. Anomie 14:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WP Banner sample template compliance

message: Can someone please remove :Category:WikiProject banners?  I talked to Woohookitty when I saw she was adding these and asked her to remove this one, but she must have forgotten.  — madman bum and angel 16:41, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 22:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|editprotected}} 

message: Why does 's importance parameter appear, but other projects' don't? — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 09:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's coded into the template to display importance when nested. The  template is coded in the same fashion. To make importance appear on a template when nested, it must be coded into the template. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 09:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, cool beans.  I know template code well enough to make more of them do that, then. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 09:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  importance= 

message: I would much appreciate if someone could add nested= compatibility to . --Hebisddave 15:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compatibility for WPSchools