Talk:SV Dynamo

message: !!!!!The section honours is incomplete!!!!!--Kay Körner 20.12.1983 13:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles 

message: This article contains citations to the German version of Wikipedia, which is an unacceptable practice according to Wikipedia:Citing sources.  Note that the cited German Wikipedia articles are themselves not referenced.  I recommend finding external references to support the material in this article.  Dr. Submillimeter 14:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just for information, Wikipedia:Citing sources countains a line that says, "Note: other Wikipedia articles cannot be used as sources."  Presumably, that includes Wikipedia in other languages.  Dr. Submillimeter 19:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations warning

message: Will try to make it less pov to address that issue - some of this may be due to translation errors - surely "Europe's greatest sports centre" should be "Europe's biggest....". The Communist party quote can be given some introductory context. The club had a political purpose but that doesnt make the article pov per se. 
Dynamo were the most successful multi-sports club in Europe and certainly deserve an article. This article is not perfect but if we delete it and start afresh we will only end up putting the same information back in.
There seems to be a specific fight going on about the images which someone better acquainted with the rules needs to sort out (see above). Jameswilson 23:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, I have edited the article to my satisfaction (!). Ii have tried to put the Dynamo story in a wider context. The long speech still needs a proper retranslation. I have left the images up for the moment till somebody decides whether to delete them all, keep them or whatever. Jameswilson 23:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but despite your edits it still remains a page full of POV nonsense. The changes so far are trivial. Wiggy! 02:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

text: What it is you object to specifically? Is it the speech? The club was highly successful in sporting terms. To state that is not POV in itself. The club was a political tool. I think I have made that sufficiently clear with my edits. 
Many sports clubs/events around the world have been used by authoritarian governments for their own purposes. If you want to show the "dark side", fine, but please add details on that rather than trying to delete the article. We cant rewrite history and ignore their sporting achievements just because we happen to object to fascism (Real Madrid did win 5 European Cups with Franco's support, the German team at the Berlin Olympics did win a lot of medals, etc) or communism (as in this case). It may be lamentable but it happened.Jameswilson 00:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contest speedy deletion 

message: following things was deleted:
*Photos by User:Quaddel
Volleyball:
*Volleyball ladies: 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979, 1985, 1986, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990
*Volleyball gentlemen: 1961, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1990
by User:Quaddel and wiggy! polarys. 
and the logo from the site http://picasaweb.google.com/marilynmonroe223378/SportvereinigungDynamo02
without any reasons!!!--141.30.241.25 16:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Enough. To begin with this isn't the place to duplicate an existing article. And each of the half-dozen or so editors named by you on this page have responded to various inappropriate editing practises or uncivil actions by you and your sockpuppets. You brought this on yourself. Think that through. Conduct yourself in a civil manner, respect the rules of the site, and stick to writing balanced and informative articles and you won't draw negative attention to yourself. This is not a Dynamo/East Germany tribute site. Wiggy! 22:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: If you bothered to look you would see that I already added the volleyball stuff to the article. The material at the other wikisites is being challenged as spam/inappropriate at those sites by other editors with the Commons material having already been previously deleted under some other title. The rest is spamlinks. Insulting other editors is uncalled for. More of the same conduct that got you banned in the first place. Give it a rest. Wiggy! 01:19, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism and Discriminating for blocked User:Kay KÖrner because of editing succesfull German Sport Club Dynamo -article 

message: He deleted the complete Externa links!
He deleted the photos (photos are not spams!)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.201.55.6 (talk) 20:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism of cheap agent User:Wiggy! 

message: The model Wikipedia was based on was very effective in getting it established. However, this model is not effective in maintaining it. When admins elect each other and form cliques, when admins can violate Wikipedia policy with impunity, and when editors are met with the possibility of article vandalism on a regular basis, the opportunity exists for Wikipedia to gradually decline. I think that is occuring. Anyone who is ambitious enough to use it as the basis for an encyclopedia that has stricter edit protections and more specialized and restricted powers of administrators will have a sustainable online encyclopedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.95.142.179 (talk) 17:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dynamo in Wikipedia 

message: Oh, it's cool man!
http://cwf-co.s3.amazonaws.com/htm/Volkspolizei.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.95.142.179 (talk) 18:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia- Top Link Dynamo 

message: Total population, as of September 1, 2007. Average annual populations January- August 2007
I think it's true!--194.95.143.150 21:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the most part I could care less about your edits - until you start spamming articles that are somehow remotely related to your pet team(s), replacing correct English with poor translations, turning articles into tribute pages, agrandizing yourself, adding endless spamlinks and excessive wikilinks, insulting other users, and engaging in right-wing racist rants, etc., etc. You've been blocked here, at de:Wikipedia, and very nearly at simple:Wikipedia. You've had stuff repeatedly tossed at commons, dictionary, and text. When are you going to figure out that nobody appreciates your uncivil POV approach? And by the way, you left me out of your list of credits for making some useful edits to SV Dynamo - but I guess that didn't register on you? Smarten up or go away. Stop messing up other people's work with your POV nonsense and find some useful way to contribute. Wiggy! 23:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: This her is the right logo, then the Spiegel/Mirror of the police in all German times wasn't in gold, if was been silver. Please accept this fact.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.201.55.6 (talk) 19:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SVDVP 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Sports Unification German People's Police.jpg

message: Jeodesic has moved Hartmut Briesenick out from the succesfull athletes, with the describtion: It's the correct name!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.30.241.23 (talk) 17:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Help-me tag moved to user talk. --omtay38 19:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other user vandalsising this page 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sportvereinigung_%28SV%29_Dynamo&diff=195767604&oldid=195767338  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.95.142.179 (talk) 09:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalising by User:Cro0016 

message: The English in this article is quite terrible in places, it does need a major cleanup, I think. Anybody volunteering?EA210269 (talk) 00:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is lacking any neutrality by simply glorifying the East German sports system. There is no mentioning of the massive amounts of doping performed in former East Germany (see:Doping (sport)), the fact that Dynamos mother organization, the Stasi was directly involved in political repression and that its leader, Erich Mielke, was a convicted criminal, having murdered to Berlin police officers in 1931. I think, their could be a lot more added to it but the articles style is, in my opinion, offensive to victims of the East German regime and definitely offensive to me, as a German!EA210269 (talk) 01:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This article needs a cleanup!

message: Due to the fact that the POV tag I placed on the article yesterday was removed by an anonymus user only a few hours later, without a proper discussen through any third party and with only a rant full of insults and accusations as an answer, I was forced to take the following steps:
*Point A:I replaced the POV tag on the article since I still dispute its neutrality
*Point B:I informed the Wikipedia:WikiProject Neutrality of the matter in the hope of obtaining a neutral opinion.
*Point C:I informed the User:Quadell at User talk:Quadell and User:Revolving Bugbear at User talk:Revolving Bugbear of my suspission, that the anonymus id 194.95.142.179 may be another sockpuppet of the blocked user/Fox53, since they were the administrators who blocked him in the past. (See also:Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Fox53)
Apart from this I be very happy to discuss my opinion about this article here with anyone who has got an open mind and tolerates other peoples opinons. EA210269 (talk) 06:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a section in the article titled "Controversies surrounding the Sport Club Dynamo" to hopefully create a more balance view of the article. I've researched a lot of sources, the amount of information regarding DDR-doping is overwhelming! Only used the most reliable sources, like BBC, The Guardian, etc.EA210269 (talk) 03:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal and replacement of POV tag by anonymus user

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sportvereinigung_%28SV%29_Dynamo&diff=prev&oldid=197293302  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.95.142.179 (talk) 08:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism by User:DeadEyeArrow 

message: The Sportvereinigung_%28SV%29_Dynamo#Dynamo-Hall_of_fame section should be better organized to become more readable. I suggest to clean up this section by one of the following way: (a) Use bulleted list (*), see Wikipedia:Lists#Bulleted_lists; (b) Create a separate category and categorize these people, see Wikipedia:Categorization; (c) Create separate article as a list. Visor (talk) 17:34, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dynamo-Hall of fame section cleanup 

message: I have now created a new article of this name, linked to this article in the hope of this setteling the ongoing dispute. If so, I consider the matter finished on my behalf.EA210269 (talk) 02:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The new article was heavily vandalised by the same anonymus user editing this page, not unexpectedly, as it does not fit his ideology. Almost 20 years after the end of the Stasi, its (selve declared) agents obviously still try to silence people and contrary opinions! Excuse my outburst but I think this anonymus editor has been left roaming long enough!EA210269 (talk) 23:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For more information on the anonymus editor of this article, see: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive133 under: SV Dynamo and multi-indef-blocked User:Kay Körner,EA210269 (talk) 23:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New article:[[Controversies surrounding the Sport Club Dynamo]]

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support: Its an easier name, no need for the (SV) in the title.EA210269 (talk) 08:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The main source for this article, the Dynamosport magazin, published by Dynamo about Dynamo, seems a very unreliable source for the article as it is not an independent source. A more neutral source should be found for the article.EA210269 (talk) 06:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreliable sources template

message: I removed all unsourced statements, the list of athlethes of the SV Dynamo (would be more appropriate to include them via a category), I also removed all the bullshit added by one specific editor who attempts to glorify East Germany and the SV Dynamo. I resisted to remove the ogg-file which was created by an avid fan of the SV Dynamo :D. Although I have undoubtly removed some valuable and factual information, given the mess this article was this seems to be the best way to ensure a reasonable quality of the article. Novidmarana (talk) 03:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The size is now about the same as the German wikipedia article. I've so far shrunk away from this step, knowing, who ever takes it is most likely in for a lot of abuse from this specific editor. I don't envy you, Novidmarana! EA210269 (talk) 05:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radical cleanup 

message: Neither this article nor Controversies surrounding the Sport Club Dynamo are very long, so it doesn't seem justified to have different articles.  Just put all the info from Controversies into this one and redirect it here.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 21:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Support: When I originally created the Controvesy section, it was part of the article but due to continuesly being deletet by the same, multi-indef blocked user, I had to create a separate article. I'm all for merging the two now as there really is no need for two separate articles. A shortening of the controvesy section is propably also appropriate. EA210269 (talk) 01:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Support. Agreed, having a section is probably more appropriate than this practically orphaned article. dorftrottel (talk)  05:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Support: per above Novidmarana (talk) 11:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Award items and badges of the SV Dynamo doesn't seem independently notable and could be merged to the main SV Dynamo page. Klbrain (talk) 17:38, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Klbrain (talk) 15:16, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging badges 

message: The article said: "From the date of its inception until 23 November 1989 the president of the SV Dynamo was Erich Mielke, the Minister of State Security." However, i find no sources that supporters the claim that he was dismissed on 23 November 1989? I only find sources that suggest he was dismissed in December 1989. However, by sources says he retired "involuntarily" (Fechner p. 226) in December 1989 and that he was "exluded" from his work as First chairman in December 1989 (Fechner p. 228). /EriFr (talk) 22:40, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eirch Mielke dismissed on 23 November 1989? 

message: I'm not sure if I think that the categories "Sports clubs in East Germany", "Sports clubs established in 1953" and "Sports clubs disestablished in 1990" are entirely correct for SV Dynamo. A sports club (SC) in East German sports was a special type of entity. SC Dynamo Berlin and  SC Dynamo Klingenthal were sports clubs (as were TSC Berlin, SC DHfK Leipzig, SC Magdeburg, SC Karl-Marx-Stadt, and so on). SV Dynamo was not a sports club. It was a sports association (SV), which is a sort of nationwide umbrella organisation for numerous sports clubs (SC) and sports communities (SG). If I click on the category "Sports clubs in East Germany", I find SV Dynamo sorted with SC Dynamo Berlin, SC DHfK Leipzig, SC Magdeburg and SC Karl-Marx-Stadt. I don't think is correct. (SC Dynamo Berlin was directly subordinate to SV Dynamo.) Kindest regards. /EriFr (talk) 21:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category: Sports club?