Talk:Jacob Neusner/Archive01

message: Please sign your comments on this page. Or, if you do not wish to do so, please make some sort of seperation between your comment and the previous persons text. Also, if youaren't going to sign your comment please do include the date.  It has been very hard to follow the discussion pages here until now.  Guedalia D'Montenegro 03:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
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The tone and content of the section regarding criticism of JN became too toxic. Perhaps the author(s) should publish that content in another article representing the work of other scholars in a more positive and constructive manner. As it stood - it was a flame attacking JN - not appropriate for this context.
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Warning: Please do not continue to use an encyclopedia article as a polemical vehicle to attack the work of a productive scholar. Feel free to enter new independent articles about each of the other writers and include in those locations their achievements that you believe are corrective to those of Neusner. We do not want this to become an edit war.
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8/8/2006: Removed anti-Neusner rantings. This is an encyclopedia not a blog. Flaming rants, sarcasm and snide comments are not acceptable here.
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Ongoing vandalism in this article must be reverted.
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Criticism of JN is unavoidable and this article is much to praiseworthy of JN.  JN did not discover the "centrality of documents" as is asserted in the begining of the fourth paragraph.  JN is outrageously prolific and many, if not most, contemporary talmudic scholars are critical of his scholarship (especially his knowledge of Hebrew and Aramaic.) I agree that this article should not become a forum for this kind of debate, and the best way to avoid it is to always use a neutral point of view.  Unfortunately the article as it stands today is highly pointed.  This should be rectified.Guedalia D'Montenegro 05:51, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: It is unclear to me which terms that are used in this article are specific to Neusner and which are generally used in his field. The overall style of the article assumes both a familiarity with Neusner and formal theology. PhatJew 20:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: Where/When is his birdate and place? --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 03:27, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: This article is entirely too long and needs to be A) wikified and B) cleaned up. Please remove the tags once this is accomplished. CQJ 14:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: I have made some major revisions to this article.  I hope that by shortening and simplifying what was a very long and pointed article, an imporved entry has been created.  For some reason, I was not logged in when I made my revisions, I mention this only to let those of you who want to know whose IP address is linked to such a major revision of this article.Guedalia D'Montenegro 19:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: # Please sign your comments on talk pages with the ~~~~ structure.
# A mediation cabal case has been filed in regards to this page, however, it looks that a few unregistered users are among the disputants.  Please be aware that once I find an administrator to review the page, it will be at the very least semi-protected, meaning that the IP users working here will need to get user accounts and play along with the rest of us, or, I'll just have the article full protected.  I'll be doing this to end the temporary edit war/revert war so we can work on the article and clean out all of the weasel words and NPOV stuff.
# Anyone involved here needs to go to Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-08-20_Jacob_Neusner_article and review the information there as soon as possible.
# I will also be archiving the talk page to assist in the Mediation.
Comments, questions, issues should be routed to my user talk page.  Please keep your posts there to under three lines as I have requested at the top of my talk page.  Thanks. We'll get this under control shortly. CQJ 18:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
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message: I don't know.  Some of you seem to think so.  I do know that user: 12.26.7.141 and user: 68.197.244.75 are the main obstacles to writing an NPOV article about Neusner. These users, known only by their IP addresses, insist on writing overtly one-sided praise and minimizing the criticism of JN.  Moreover - if you take a look at what these IP addresses have contributed - they are responsible for Neusner references all over Wikipedia (disturbing the Saul Lieberman entry, among others).
Is this Neusner himself?  I doubt it - how could the author of so many books be such a terrible writer.  The entries by 12.26.7.141 are written especially poorly.  So my guess is that Neusner is smart enough to stay away. At least I hope so.  I do think the some of his students (professional academics) have been involved in this debate.  It is sad that these people cannot keep a NPOV.  I am sick and tired of it.Guedalia D'Montenegro 20:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Most professors have students that act as their "army" to spread their personal beliefs.  Anyone that has spent time in college would see this.  It is very possible they are doing this on their own, but for the sake of impressing/promoting their saint Hackajar 15:46, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Jacob Neusner editing this page?