Talk:Croatian Military Frontier

message: By wich census Croatian Krajina had a Serbian majority?:)
Ceha
:A long time, see Military Border and Krajina. I removed most of your edit because it is clearly not true. Just read the mentioned articles. Maartenvdbent 10:29, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you know it is clearly not true? By other censusis Croats had a majority in Military Border areas. Data about this census are shown only in one book, and I'm not sure it is valid...
Croatian POV?:) Gimme a break;) Try googling the net about that topics, try to read some of it from various sources (disreegard sorces in which Serbia in which ecuator is a line which divides small Serbia on two equal parts (or croatian ones in which Croatia goes to Bospor)) and you could learn something. Have fun;)
Ceha 14:15, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

text: all right, everybody knows that it has a croatian majority NOW, beacause with operation Storm of Gotovina all Serbs fled. But the region had a SERB majority in the past. Read Republic_of_Serbian_Krajina for instance. Maartenvdbent 13:36, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: From Egon, Lendl, "Zur politischen Geographie der Österreichischen Miltärgrenze", Der Donauraum, 8/1963., 203.
There was in 1815. around 940.000 people living on all teritory of Military Frontier, among them there where 3/4 of Slavic people and after them major people were Romanians, Hungarians and Germans. Among Slavic population there were 60% of CROATS and 30% of Serbs. Walter9 (talk) 13:09, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

text: Your comment is not valid. This article is about former Croatian Military Frontier and not about teritories of former parastate RSK. Walter9 (talk) 13:12, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Serbian majority?

message: By the start of the 1990s and before the war, about two thirds of the Krajina (later UNPA zones North and South- not Western or Eastern Slavonia) population was Serb. These Serbs accounted for about 29% of their total population in the then-SR Croatia. The increase in ethnic tensions caused the demographic proportions to shift markedly even before the fighting broke out.
The official census held in the spring of 1991, just before the war began, is recorded in Republic of Croatia statistics books, but not currently available online. Hence, there are two different sources for pre-war population distribution: the ICTY indictment against Milošević, given in the 1st table below, and the official Croatian data excerpted from the books, presented in the 2nd table.
The allocation of the population in the different parts of the RSK was, according to the ICTY source, as follows:
UNPA Zones North and South                                        	UNPA Sector West                                                	UNPA Sector East                                                  	Total
168,437 (67%) Serbs<BR> 70,708 (28%) Croats<BR> 13,101 (5%) others	14,161 (60%) Serbs<BR> 6,864 (29%) Croats<BR> 2,577 (11%) others	61,492 (32%) Serbs<BR> 90,454 (47%) Croats<BR> 40,217 (21%) others	244,090 (52.15%) Serbs168,026 (35.9%) Croats 55,895 (11.94%) others
(Source: ICTY)                                                    	                                                                	                                                                  	
However, the cited figures differ from those published in official Croatian census, which gives the following data:
UNPA Zones North and South                                            	UNPA Sector West                                                        	UNPA Sector East                                                        	Total
169,906 (66.7%) Serbs<BR> 69,646 (28%) Croats<BR> 13,183 (5.5%) others	35,206 (35.4%) Serbs<BR> 43,063 (43.3%) Croats<BR> 21,183 (21.3%) others	57,208 (30.4%) Serbs<BR> 92,398 (49.1%) Croats<BR> 35,578 (20.5%) others	258,320 (48.16%) Serbs 205,107 (38.24%) Croats 72,944 (13.6%) others
Both calculations does not include "rose zones" (zones outside UNPA, but inside RSK). These zones are usually with much bigger percentage of Serbs than UNPA zones. Examples of rose zones include Medak, Vrlika, Teslingrad, Vrhovine, and Plaski.  
The largest discrepancy is in the UNPA Sector West, which might refer to the fact that this zone originally included large patches of western Slavonia (areas around Grubišno Polje, Daruvar, Pakrac and the western slopes of Papuk), but these weren't controlled by the RSK in the later stages of the war.
User:Maartenvdbent
: Your comment is not valid. This article is about former Croatian Military Frontier and not about teritories of former parastate RSK. Walter9 (talk) 13:12, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics

message: Croatian Krajina is an entity that existed between 16th and 19th century. It was abolished in 1882, and after this year IT SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST. So, if you people want to write about 1991 events, please try to find some other article for that, because this is an entity that did not existed in 1991. PANONIAN (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Life after death

message: "don't see why historical context should be deleted"
Because:
*1. Banska Hrvatska is not name used for Banija region. Banska Hrvatska was a name used for civil Croatia (outside of the frontier) that was ruled by a ban.
*2. I do not think that this region was called Serbian Krajina between 16th and 19th century, this is new name introduced during 1990s, when this region politicaly did not existed. 
*3. The subsequent part of the paragraph was obviously added to make a balance with the part that claim that it was called Serbian Krajina (which is itself wrong), and without the first part, the second part do not have meaning. If you want, you can explain history of the Frontier in this section, but something that really have connection with 16th-19th century period. PANONIAN (talk) 22:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is impossible to change anyything just according to your WISHES. Please, stick to the facts. Even in Austrian documents that teritory is officialy known as CROATIAN MILITARY FRONTIER or Kroatische Militärgrenze. It's not anyone's problem you dislike history facts. Walter9 (talk) 12:54, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Ceha

message: This is a plain invention of some Wikipedia users. Search through serious books of the history of Austria and Hungary. You will not ever find anything called Croatian Military Frontier. That territory, even back to the Christ's times was ruled by different people who weren't Croats or subject of any Croatian state.--96.231.71.176 (talk) 00:17, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, don't let your statements being influenced by your emotions. Stick to historical records! According to historical documents the area comprising former Croatian Military Frontier used to be a part of medieval Croatia, thus later name of frontier. That is the verifiable fact and one who wishes to improve Wikipedia projects should know. Walter9 (talk) 13:20, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Croatian Military Frontier? 

message: This article and the accompanying map currently conflate the Military Frontier and the Croatian Military Frontier (the later being part of the Military Frontier). To cite a period source available on Google Books (The Penny Cyclopædia of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge, 1839, p. 214): "MILITARY FRONTIER ... The whole of this tract is divided into — 1, the Western or Croatian Military Frontier; 2, the Slavonian Military Frontier; 3, the Hungarian or Banat Military Frontier; 4, the Transylvanian Military Frontier." Exactly the same division is found in Europe, Past and Present: A Comprehensive Manual of European Geography and History (1850, p. 533). The article called Military Frontier covers all of these and this article should cover only the Croatian Military Frontier. Doremo (talk) 04:44, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Croatian Miltary Frontier was just one of the sections of the Miltary Frontier. What part of the article you find that needs fixing? FkpCascais (talk) 13:35, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military Frontier and Croatian Military Frontier