Talk:Toledo War/Archive 1

message: Should this article be merged with Toledo Strip?--Inonit 20:27, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with [[Toledo Strip]]?

message: I'm not entirely sure that this isn't overkill, but when I added to the introduction, I also added the military infobox since this was, in a way, a military conflict, complete with militias, and it resulted in territory changes. Any opinions? Hotstreets 04:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military Conflict Infobox 

message: The US Constitution says, "No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay."  It says nothing about a US Territory's right to declare war.  It always seemed to me that Michigan took advantage of this loophole.  Is there any research on this?  Fishal 07:16, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no "declaration" of war (at least I've not come across any mention). The "war" consisted of the two governors mobilizing militias (essentially an irregular police force) to occupy the area (or at least making some pretense of doing so as the area was pretty vast in comparison to the number of militia, with the anecdotal story of the militias wandering lost through the swamp). older ≠ wiser 13:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Constitutional issues

message: (from Toledo Strip talk page) How about have the majority of the "Toledo Strip" (the timeline specifically) article be moved to a separate "Timeline of the Toledo War" article and then have Toledo Strip redirect to Toledo War. The information that doesn't fit the timeline can be merged into the Toledo War article. In my opinion, the Toledo Strip and Toledo War are one and the same. The "creation" of the strip is already mentioned and described in the Toledo War article, and most of the information in this article outside of the timeline is already in the Toledo War article as well. If nobody objects, I think I'll do this... Hotstreets 16:59, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me.  It looks like that was suggested months ago but nobody's done it yet.  Fishal 18:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for Move/Redirect with Toledo Strip

message: Although of little relevence, wolverines are not extinct in Michigan.  That last wolverene sighting was in 2004.  Here is a link to the last sighting I could find 
Bcruss 22:31, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wolverene Sighting

message: Well, I think the main text and the body of the article is complete and in place. In addition to the copyediting, tweaking, and polishing that has been going on, I am now going through the article and correcting/adding wiki links to other pages. 
I was wondering, especially Bkonrad, if this would be a good article to eventually nominate for Featured Article status. I have never done this before, and I was wondering if it were a good article, what needs to be done to bring it to an even better level? I know there are peer reviews, but I wasn't sure when in the editing cycle this would be appropriate. 
Also, even if this wouldn't make a good Featured Article, what should still be done to it? I'm thinking that the citation of sources should be more standardized, but once again, I haven't done this, and I didn't want to screw anything up. (I've read the Wikipedia Citing Sources page, but I still wasn't 100% sure.) Then, finally, after this is done, I will probably start work on the Timeline article, bringing up to speed. What do you think? Thanks for the feedback. Hotstreets 18:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Any number of articles can go through at the same time.  I only wanted to point out that the Detroit article is a bit ahead of this one and you may want to see the feedback from Peer review and follow the progress of that article in order to get an idea on how things work.  Jtmichcock 19:53, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Jtmichcock has much more experience with getting articles through peer review and FAC. I suspect a lot of the references could be cleaned up (many reference the same texts). There's also quite a lot of what I'd consider overlinking (e.g., month or year-only links not needed for date preferences and repeated links to the same articles). But this is looking pretty good. older ≠ wiser 02:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Text Complete 

message: I have turned the citations from freeline to inline.  I have eliminated the duplicate cites and have moved one to a see also.  This should be ready for Peer Review within a few days.  Jtmichcock 17:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations done 

message: Now that the main article is nearly finished, should we work on the timeline article before or after this is submitted for Peer Review? I personally think this would be a great addition to what we've already got, and if there end up being too many images/info on the main article, they would go very well in the Timeline article. Hotstreets 04:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not essential that the daughter article be entirely completed before the parent article is reviewed. I would look for feedback on the main article and use that to improve the timeline.  Jtmichcock 14:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  While we prepare for peer review 

message: Once the current Michigan-Ohio State rivalry issue is resolved, should I submit this to FAC, since the peer review is positive so far?
Hotstreets 00:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I estimate that I would like to get one more fresh-look copyedit done over the coming weekend before it's "there."  Typically, peer review lasts 14 days, so it's probably appropriate to submit after 5/30.  Jtmichcock 00:20, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, cool. Another new fact. I'll work on some copyediting too this weekend. I'll have some extra time for doing so. Hotstreets 00:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, have you considered joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Michigan?  The project can always need an extra set of eyes.  Just check the membership list and add your name.  Jtmichcock 00:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm working on a copyedit of my own right now, and I will have some more edits that will be posted later today. So far, there are a few rough areas still that need to be fixed before FAC. Hotstreets 14:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: We are now FAC. Hotstreets 02:40, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, evidentally our FAC has failed, and I guess it is back to work. Hotstreets 04:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAC Submission 

message: Some of the pictures on this page seem a little useless. The Maumee river picture looks like any other river so it dosen't really add anything. Also, John Q Adams and Andrew Jackson are well recognizable and not really heavily involved in the conflict so their pictures being included is a little overdoing it.
: I do agree with removing at least some of the images. At this point, I feel we are bordering on oversaturing the article with images that are not essential to the article's purpose. I will try removing a couple of images in the near future. Hotstreets 03:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, this becomes too redundant with the Mitchell Map, so I just made the NW Territory image slightly smaller. Hotstreets 03:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  After getting some extra time, I have simplified the existing Northwest Territory map and recolored it to match more closely the other maps already on the page. Hotstreets 03:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  pictures 

message: I am/have replaced the Northwest Territory map with a simpler one modified from the National Park Service. Please let me know what you think. Hotstreets 03:23, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, this becomes too redundant with the Mitchell Map, so I just made the NW Territory image slightly smaller. Hotstreets 03:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  After getting some extra time, I have simplified the existing Northwest Territory map and recolored it to match more closely the other maps already on the page. Hotstreets 03:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northwest Territory Map 

message: I replaced the image of the Maumee River with one from Toledo, Ohio. I think this shows the economic importance much better. Hotstreets 03:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maumee River Picture 

message: In this edit, I made some changes that I want to explain. It is a bit of an exaggeration to say that in the Mitchell map the "southern tip of Lake Michigan is nearly due west of present day Detroit."  Detroit is situated at the northern end of the strait connecting Lake St. Clair with Lake Erie. While modern maps show this strait as relatively short, thus perhaps understandably leaving room for some confusion, I don't think it is at all accurate to use the Mitchell map to place Detroit as due west of the southern extreme of Lake Michigan. Also, I'm pretty certain that the "territorial boundary" referred to in the Enabling Act of 1802 is the territorial boundary of the United States with Canada--while it does coincide with the Northwest Territorial boundary, I think it does not help to clarify anything to try to relate it to that. older ≠ wiser 02:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, those are nice edits. Good work. I'm going to work my way down copy-editing, working on flow and grammar, then rework the intro slightly. Do you think we should try for another Peer Review, or go straight to FAC#2? I'm leaning for Peer Review again, but what do you think? Hotstreets 03:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some copyedits and corrections 

message: Today, I reworked the lead section of the article to try and make it flow better. As you may remember, that was the chief criticism of our FAC, a poorly written lead. Please let me know what you think of it, and what (if anything) needs to be changed. Hotstreets 01:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reworked Intro 

message: The article still meets and exceeds necessary requirements. It just needs to modify the tag of :Image:RichardRush.jpeg as it is obsolete. Lincher 15:34, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I have done so. I appreciate the review. Hotstreets 21:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It says that the war was bloodless, but in the article Bloodless War it says that the Toledo War was not bloodless.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.60.1 (talk) 16:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There were no deaths in the Toledo War (well, no human deaths), but there was bloodshed. Two Stickney (That's Two, not his elder brother One) stabbed Deputy Sheriff Wood with a pen knife. The Bloodless war article defines bloodless war as a conflict that is resolved without death or injury. So, we have three options. 1. Edit this article 2. Edit "Bloodless war" 3. Leave them both alone and let them contradict each other. --Steven J. Anderson 02:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA review 

message: why are there 2 photographs of the ohio historical society marker for the battle of phillips corners?
* :Image:Toledowarphillipscorner2.jpg
* :Image:Toledowarphilipscorner.jpg
edited badmachine (talk) 07:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Toledo_War#Battle_of_Phillips_Corners]] 

message: Just a little concerned by the similarity of this article to the fictional Upper Peninsula War. []. I know nothing of North American history, but I just thought I should check this war really did exist. Daniel H Dyer (talk) 22:19, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, the difference should be obvious. One is pure speculation and the other has a plethora of citations to reliable sources. older ≠ wiser 23:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similarity to the Upper Peninsula War 

message: The sentence on the football rivalry seems to need some help.  First of all, since this is an article about the US, "football" should be used instead of "American football."  Second, while the football rivalry is stronger, the basketball rivalry should not be almost explicitly excluded. Agreed?Kdammers (talk) 07:37, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rivalry 

message: The Adams quotation is not grammatical by modern  standards.  I suspect the source, which is secondary, has a typo which has been continued.  Another source, http://annarborchronicle.com/tag/university-of-michigan-football/, has a grammatical version (the word "was" is present).  Can some-one check the US government's original entry? Kdammers (talk) 07:37, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, JQA's memoir includes the "was".  older ≠ wiser 12:00, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  JQA quotation 

message: Nice job, guys! 69.118.117.177 (talk) 15:27, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great article! 

message: This article highly interested me a few years ago when I was busy studying for a geography competition. I'm very pleased to see that it's the featured article today! Great job to everyone who worked to promote it! smileguy91talk - contribs 21:14, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congratulations! 

message: I've removed this unsourced statement from the lead: "nearly all of the Upper Peninsula was still Indian territory." That's not true, as you can see in this map and as documented at Indian Territory. The part of the UP given to Michigan had been part of Michigan Territory, and was intended to become part of Wisconsin Territory but was instead given to the state of Michigan. Kendall-K1 (talk) 00:15, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the UP (as well as much of northern Michigan) had not been ceded by native American tribes in 1834. The largest portion was ceded in the Treaty of Washington (1836) (205 in :File:Royce-areas-michigan.jpg). The western portions of the UP were ceded in subsequent treaties. So while it may not have been formally named as "Indian territory", was for all practical purposes Indian territory until it was ceded. older ≠ wiser 01:34, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian territory 

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message: I don't see how you can call this a riot, and I don't see any of the reliable sources calling it a riot either. A web search on "Toledo war riot" turns up nothing. I have removed this article from Template:Riots in the United States. Kendall-K1 (talk) 17:26, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Riot?