Talk:Oswaldo Payá

message: I reworded the new Criticisms section.  I think the part about some exiles criticizing Paya for supporting some facets of socialism is very likely, but I haven't seen anyone but the editor criticize the Elections section of the Program for All Cubans, so I made the language more neutral.  If you can cite specific outside criticisms, feel free to revert the wording.SantoDomingo71 01:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I add a reference to his Nobel Peace Prize nominations. Seems to my view unbelievable that while the Nobel Peace Prize has been awarded recently very controversially to people like Al Gore and Barack Obama, it has ignored so far those who have fought for the Human Rights and democracy in Cuba.81.193.24.109 (talk) 01:21, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nobel Peace Prize Nomination

message: Official statement from the US President is notable, but some senator (even if he is from Cuba) and a former Governor have no notability. --76.110.201.132 (talk) 20:52, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If they were simply offering condolences or praise, I'd agree, but the fact that two leading US politicians have called for an investigation seems clearly notable (which is why the news is covering it). Khazar2 (talk) 21:45, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The TV in the USA is covering it because Rubio is a Cuban American and Romney is running for election. Maybe Rubio's comments are relevant, but if Romney loses then it's just boiler plate rhetoric from a former Governor, and if he wins, then it was commentary made before he had the authority to act on it. Obama isn't a politician in this case, he's the head of state of the United States. --76.110.201.132 (talk) 22:51, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I generally feel that coverage=notability. Even if we personally feel that something "shouldn't" be covered, it's important not to substitute our own judgement on notability for that of our sources. As long as it's being covered in our reliable sources, I don't think a one-sentence mention is inappropriate. Khazar2 (talk) 14:03, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does Romney matter 

message: I know we have to include this absurdity, since it's cited to a WP:RS, but aside from just blaming Castro for everything, do his kids have any evidence that he was murdered? Were they there? Did the survivors comment? --76.110.201.132 (talk) 22:53, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: They claim that it was "according to the testimony of survivors". I'll add the "recent death" tag to inform readers that more information can appear in the next days. Diego (talk) 08:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claims of murder 

message: I've archived most of the article's citations for future reference below. -- Khazar2 (talk) 03:26, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving citations 

message: Don't know if this should be included, but it is worth keeping an eye on this.  Cheers, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 06:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumors of assassination by the Cuban secret services 

message: The driver had been fined before in Spain, to the point that he had lost all the points of his driver's license. Once for driving at 145 km/h where he had to drive below 90 km/h, and another one for using his mobile phone while driving. Apart from those, he had also accumulated a number of sanctions for other minor traffic related offences. 
I think this omission makes the article clearly non-neutral.
And, BTW, the only witness that has said the car was rammed is the driver itself, who's obviously non-neutral. The other survivor said that he was asleep during the car crash, even when he was pressured by Paya's wife (who wasn't there) to change his testimony.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.101.238.161 (talk) 18:13, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The driver had been fined before in Spain 

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