Talk:ERCO Ercoupe

message: I'm not sure that three different specifications are really needed in this article. Why not pick one model? Uses too much space, and the specs aren't *that* different, are they? Guapovia 09:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not horribly different, no. I'm still trying to figure out how to make the distinction between models as development continued. Maybe a separate page  such as List of Ercoupe specifications to illustrate differences, or perhaps just listing what changed between models chronologically. It's definitely a work in progress. McNeight 18:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I think we should leave the specs in.  Some models of the Ercoupe qualify it for use under the new Light sport aircraft certificates, and the specifications are why.  I'll put some data in shortly to this effect (unless someone else does it first), it might help frame the specs data better. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 02:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Too Many Specs?

message: I'd like to suggest renaming this to Ercoupe )which is currently a redirect to here) as ERCO was one of a few companies that built this, and the current name is artificially restrictive. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 13:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename?

message: Can someone, who knows where the problem is, repair the entry that goes 
 just at the heading ERCO Ercoup? Please. Lin (talk) 05:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing image?

message: Jessica Cox, born without arms, flies an Ercoupe. http://youtube.com/watch?v=b2IqpPSF9-U&feature=related She also plays piano, surfs, is a Tae Kwon Do black belt and many other activities. Bizzybody (talk) 22:41, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armless pilot 

message: The variants part of the page is just that. They list the variants by manufactures and by individuals. The twin Erco is a variant that was just a display aircraft and never certifed. My addition of the Heusdens Erco was removed as not being significant and just a minor STC. I consider it a major modification. Putting a Lycoming in where a Continental engine came out is not just a bolt-in change. It required the making of a new engine mount,cowling, engine baffeling,exhaust system, and modification to the airbox and nosegear. Then going through the engine change approval process with the FAA is no minor feet( any engine change now days with the FAA is a major undertaking). Then going through the procss of getting the aircraft recertified is another major project( as before mentioned the twin Erco was not). I believe the Heusdens coupe should be listed, it is a variant. I can provide all the ref. that you will need.On a side note I do have factory pictures of the Erco factory modified lycoming coupe that could be added to the page.(Coupemanwi (talk) 16:06, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you provide a link to the documentation so we can evaluate it in detail. - Ahunt (talk) 16:39, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

text: SA01697CH only appears to be valid for one aircraft. MilborneOne (talk) 19:33, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be this link here: SA01697CH. The STC is only applicable to one individual aircraft "serial number 3502 ONLY", is only to swap the engine and prop, plus the mods needed to get it to fit and does not result in a new type designation (still a "Univair 415-D", not a "Heusdens Ercoupe"). It is not a significant enough change to be considered a variant. Adding text on every STC mod to the Ercoupe would be WP:TRIVIA. Basically this doesn't belong in an encyclopedia, although I would certainly expect to see it on an aircraft type club website or similar resource. - Ahunt (talk) 19:44, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Hum, thats not what the STC says it clearly only authorises the modification on one aircraft. MilborneOne (talk) 22:56, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Oh I see were the made up name "Huesdens Erco" come from Mark Huesdens is the registered owner of 3502 or N2877H to give its reg. Interesting it is listed as a Ercoupe 415-C with a Lycoming O-235. MilborneOne (talk) 23:01, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It is just an engine swap on one specific aircraft, not a variant and not notable. It is not the FAA paperwork or lack thereof that makes a variant, it is the degree of change to the basic design - the Twin Coupe is a far more major modification. Also the Twin Coupe has been covered by the aviation press as per WP:N and cited in the article refs, whereas this STC mod has not. - Ahunt (talk) 00:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

text: I am quite familiar with mod requirements, as I have built aircraft and also was on the Transport Canada committee that created the airworthiness regs from 2000-2007 and was test pilot for a couple of decades as well. It isn't the volume of paperwork or whether the FAA considers is a "major mod" that makes a modification notable in this encyclopedia. The aircraft's designation remains the same and the FAA don't even consider it a variant for airworthiness purposes. It is a 415-D with a Lycoming engine installed under an STC, not a new model. That said, in the spirit of compromise, since this is a modified ERCO 415-D, I have added a note on this STC and the engine fitted to the article in the ERCO 415-D section, as shown here. How is that?- Ahunt (talk) 15:41, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Disagreements over content is a common way in which discussions start and build the encyclopedia from there, as explained in WP:BRD. It is just part of the process! - Ahunt (talk) 21:23, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
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