Talk:Lead(II) nitrate

message: Let's see how this'll come up in the logs. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 19:37, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Older entries

message: Production 1st in USA 1943? My ancestors producing & selling this in Lancashire 1870's.--Bostan 13:31, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead Nitrate, history 

message: In my opinion, most of what is said under "Aqueous chemistry" should belong to the Pb(II) cation and not to lead nitrate specifically (even though in practice you could have only lead nitrate or lead acetate in aqueous solution). The precipitation of lead iodide or lead hydroxide oxides is not a property of lead nitrate but of the divalent lead cation. What's specific for lead nitrate is then e.g. that it is used in the demonstration of precipitation reactions (where of course lead iodide also may be mentioned) but for closer description of which reactions occur between the lead cation and various anions I think a reference to an article about the cation should be more appropriate.
:This is a valid issue to discuss, but at present we don't have a set of pages on cations (I even proposed this last year, but we agreed we did'nt have the resources of people to write those pages, and people dind't see it as a priority).  However, the precipitation of lead hydroxide IS a property of lead nitrate, in the same way that a property of hydrochloric acid is to react with aq. NaOH to make aq. NaCl.  An article on HCl that doesn't give examples of acid-base reactions would be flawed - in the same way, an article on lead nitrate needs examples of pptn reactions.  This would be less valuable but for the fact that the nitrate and acetate are the only soluble lead salts commonly found.  Actually the Pb(OH)2 point is an interesting one, because I added the section in the article that states in fact it usually does NOT form Pb(OH)2 but rather a basic lead(II) nitrate - in other words, the compound is NOT behaving like a simple Pb2+(aq) ion. 
:If you would like to write an article on the Pb(II) cation (and other cations!), I'd encourage you to do that, I think it would be a valuable addition to Wikipedia.  It would provide a good place to discuss these issues in a more general context.  Thanks, Walkerma 05:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aqueous chemistry 

message: Plumb dulcis (Sweet lead) is the term from the alchemist. The German word for lead acetate is Bleizucker (Lead suggar). Some quaestions to this: Is there a possible mix up between the words, chemicals or between the languages? 
Is it possible to mention that Plumb dulcis is called that way because it tastes sweet?
--Stone 12:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 13:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plumb dulcis

message: The article fails to mention the taste of this compound.
:  It does say "dulcis" under the name, and we don't want to be giving people ideas, now do we?--Ron E 00:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The sweet taste of many Beryllium salts (which are also poisonous) is mentioned in that article.  Taste-based nomenclature is an interesting topic if considered from a history of chemistry perspective.  --Noren 14:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Taste

message: The following was left on the page-rating thingie, so I'm moving it here:
I feel I must query the description of lead(II) nitrate as a "strong, stable oxidizer". 
Whilst lead (II) compounds could be reduced to lead metal by strong reducing agents (thus categorizing them as weak oxidizers), they are more commonly thought of as weak reducing agents, that can be oxidized to lead (IV) by strong oxidizers.
In any case no examples are brought in the article to demonstrate any oxidizing or reducing properties. (The example given where lead nitrate forms oxygen and dinitrogen tetroxide is not a demonstration of lead ion as an oxidizer, but rather a disproportionation of the nitrate ion.)
Perhaps a better description might be "a stable compound, with weak oxidation and reduction properties".
194.90.190.116 08:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its hazards are listed under NFPA 704 as an oxidizer.  Under fire hazards, Aldrich's MSDS site warns it's a [strong oxidizer].  Considering the conveniently web-accessible safety information I think the existing description is correct. --Noren 15:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anon comment

message: This page got vandalized, I tried to revert it to the previous version and haven't quite managed it, can someone fix it please? Sorry. Jules 15:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this was a type in one of the templates, where I found Pd marked down as lead (Note - these templates are really complicated!).  I fixed the typo, and, Hey Presto! nothing changed. (Maybe a server cache problem?) It was also calculating the wrong molar mass.  So I used the slightly lower tech version and forced the formula * molar mass in, and that has worked.  I also noticed an embarrassing problem with the solubility, also fixed. Walkerma 22:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Help!

message: lead nitrate in production in USA 1835. The reference is contained in "Progress of America to year 1846"  by John Macgregor, pub London 1847 by Whittaker & Co,which can be accessed through Google Books. Interesting but brief article on Chemical establishment in USA. (Bostan 14:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent reference. Included in the article. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 17:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead Nitrate-history 

message: According to the article the compound was synthesized as early as the 15th century by the German alchymist Andreas Libavius. According to the linked article about Libavius, he lived from 1555 to 1616. Is it linked to wrong person, is it given wrong facts in the other article, or is it wrong facts in this article? I tried to check out the source, but couldn't find anything of interest there... Grrahnbahr 20:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The century was wrong (sometimes people get confused and think that the 1500s were the 15th century...). Google books finds many references that mention him as the discoverer. I've updated the article accordingly. --Itub 11:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More lead nitrate history 

message: I've summarized the safety section per Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals/Style guidelines. I'm dumping the removed text here: --Rifleman 82 05:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summarized safety section 

message: In a previous FA review, Marskell, Grrahnbahr and Tony brought forward:
* FA criteria concerns are comprehensiveness (1b) and referencing (1c).
* wrong facts (1c)
* it doesn't include many details about major topics like history and production.
* it's looking wobbly. For example: "Lead(II) nitrate is toxic and probably carcinogenic to humans. Therefore, it is to be handled and stored with the appropriate safety precautions." No reference; "it should be handled".
* It keeps referring to 19th-century Europe: but when exactly? Surely someone knows whether it was 1801 or 1899? Makes a big difference.
The review procedure was left dangling, and recently this article was demoted from FA to B-Class. It is my intention to work on these topics to further improve the article and have it up as Featured Article again. Please assist. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 20:56, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Up to featured again? 

message: "E.g., lead(II) chloride, lead(II) bromide and lead(II) iodide, collectively known as lead halides, are weakly soluble in water (less than 0.01 mole per litre) at room temperature, and only slightly more closer to the boiling point."
I think this should be changed by "for example" or something similar. This formulation isn't very pleasant. Randomblue (talk) 21:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence starting with e.g. 

message: Is lead(II) nitrate toxic enough that touching a single drop of the solution (and washing it off after 1 or 2 seconds) would cause fatal poisoning? --75.40.206.92 (talk) 00:50, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No. --Itub (talk) 22:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toxicity 

message: Is this a joke? Stonemason89 (talk) 15:09, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's uncaught vandalism by 81.38.78.137. Reverted to original wording.—Tetracube (talk) 15:23, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Plumb pudding"??? 

message: I've removed a chunk of material:
Any solution containing the lead(II) cation will react with a solution containing the iodide anion to produce a precipitate of the bright orange-yellow lead(II) iodide. This reaction is often used to demonstrate precipitation, because of the striking colour change observed, under the name Pot-o-Gold or Golden Rain:
Nearly all other lead compounds are insoluble in water, even when coupled with commonly very soluble anions. For example, lead(II) chloride, lead(II) bromide and lead(II) iodide, collectively known as lead halides, are merely weakly soluble in water (less than 0.01 mol/L) at room temperature, and only slightly more soluble when heated. This means that lead(II) nitrate has particular importance as a starting point for the production of insoluble lead compounds via double decomposition.
   
Hot solutions of lead halides can be brought to precipitation on cooling to create feathery, iridescent crystals suspended in water, the colour of which crystal depends on the particular halide (chloride = white, bromide = buff, iodide = yellow). These crystals appear suddenly, requiring only a nucleation site once the temperature of the solution has fallen sufficiently for the solution to be supersaturated. This effect is used for demonstration of solubility in classrooms. 
I'll try to find a way to integrate it into the lead article. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 16:25, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tangential stuff 

message: This is great!--71.87.154.194 (talk) 00:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article 

message: Is "geslead paints" correct? --Mortense (talk) 07:55, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be the result of the incomplete reversal of 72.19.93.104's vandalism  (by another anonymous editor, 87.227.65.36) on 2012-08-11T00:15:13. --Mortense (talk) 09:05, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Reaction? (pun intended) --Mortense (talk) 00:05, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Could some kind soul take a look at it? --Mortense (talk) 20:22, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hello?!?!? --Mortense (talk) 19:04, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hopefully, someone comes around to look at this. --Mortense (talk) 19:24, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geslead 

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message: This article has just been reduced by one third. The article has been halved in length since its original promotion to featured article status. How can it meet the comprehensiveness criterion of Wikipedia:Featured article criteria after such a huge reduction? DrKay (talk) 19:55, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead repeats various phrases word for word. It should summarize significant content. Petergans (talk) 14:40, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article? 

message: This is a trial to see if layout can be improved when there is a chem box present. The hazards section of the chem box has been moved to a separate chem box in the hazards section of the article. This has reduced the size of the box at the top of the article and has allowed all graphical material to be right-justified. The readability of the article has consequently been improved considerably. Comments (here) on this split as a prototype for a general approach will be appreciated. Petergans (talk) 17:09, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split the chem box 

message: The properties table of the chembox was broken and the raw formatting data was just at the bottom of the page. I moved the information into the preexisting box and removed the broken information and the box to the top of the page. Please note, this is my very first Wikipedia edit, please fix or revert changes without hesitation. --Buinton (talk) 21:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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message: Describe how lead (2)nitrate is prepared in laboratory stating from lead(2)oxide 154.159.237.186 (talk) 19:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chemistry