Talk:Gustavo Kuerten

message: This is an attempt to rewrite the entire Prof Career section here. Hopefully a better version will come through. 
Original: "After two years as a professional, Kuerten rose to the position of n. 2 player in Brazil, second only to Fernando Meligeni, and had his then highest point by helping the Brazilian Davis Cup team defeat Austria in 1996 and reach the competition's first division, the World Group."
Revision: Kuerten started his professional ATP career in 1995. 
In 1996, he helped the Brazilian Davis Cup team defeat Austria and reach the competition's first division, the World Group. It is still considered by some one of his many high points in his career.
Kuerten continued to rise in the rankings and in 1997 became the second-ranked Brazilian player on the circuit (Fernando Meligeni was the top-ranked Brazilian at this point).  
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All right, I wasn't sure if you were new here, but now I am.  First off, please refrain from editing other people's comments on talk pages, that is breach of policy.  Second, you might wanna remember that English is a language spoken worldwide (as a native language), and as such it presents differences, so what you consider to be "wrong" may just be different (or, in this particular case, plain tennis jargon).  We have extended guidelines regarding that here.  This article does contain poorly written passages though, and I can't take "credit" for them.  I did not start this from scratch, and I haven't rewritten the entire thing, so there's a lot of stuff still lingering from the early version of the article (I eliminated the more blatant parts, but not everything).   Third, I'm sorry but your explanation does not convince me: Your entry on the 2002 match against Federer should stay, I never said it shouldn't, only it should go in the appropriate portion of the article.  I'll repeat again, please refrain from editing massive portions of the article only because you believe you can write "better", as you have done in some passages the miscellaneous section most recently.  There was no real increase of quality, only simple change of style, especially since it was clear enough to begin with.  That's called vanity editing, and it is discouraged. Finally, there is a clear distinction between listing the matches won by Kuerten on tournaments that marked his career (even if against Carlsson, since that was the first step towards one of the most important titles in Kuerten's career) and listing "every win in Kuerten's career", since it would be infinitely more important to win a 3rd match in a Masters Series event than to win a quarterfinal in a Challenger event that he didn't even win in the end (for instance).   Incidentally, the sources for the article are the ATP official website, the Davis Cup official website and Kuerten's official website, I don't gather information in fan sites or local media, since those are usually biased and not always trustworthy.  Some of the stuff (a small portion) does come from my memory though, since I've followed his career since before his 1997 Roland Garros win.  Regards, Redux 02:11, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Reeally?  So your argument is: "I know more English than you so you don't understand why I'm right".  Bring it down a peck dude, you're completely clueless.  I'm sure you firmly believe that you are the quintessence of the English speaker, but wake up and smell the variety.  And FYI, I suggest you think twice before dismissing other people's work as "silly".  You're completely out of line.  Enough is enough.   How would you like if I were to dismiss your deletion of data as simple vandalism?  Would you say it was misguided?  Or maybe an unwarranted generalization?  That was retorical btw, so please don't bother to answer it.  And understand this: when we say "Wikipedia is open", it means "help as much as you want and can", not "do whatever you feel like, we can just revert it back later".  That's a fundamental distinction.</br>There's absolutely nothing wrong with the list of matches in tournaments cited as important in Kuerten's career.  It's irrelevant that other articles don't feature it, that's just because no one thought of it or didn't want to put in the research/work.  The objective of the list is quite clear.  Sorry if you have a problem with it, but it doesn't warrant deletion, the information is encyclopedic enough.  Just move on, there's lots of work to be done on the encyclopedia, and here you are, obsessing over match scores (that are quite pertinent to the underlying objective of the article).  Brevity is a relative term here.  We care that the articles be as comprehensive as possible, not as brief as possible.  As a matter of fact, on the instances when an article gets so long that some browsers have difficulty loading it, we break the article in two, but we do not sum it up or delete data (as it was done with our stuff on Roger Federer:  There was so much stuff on his game style that the original article was broken in two, and the "Roger Federer playing style" – or something like that – article was created.  Now we have an article that details how Federer holds his racket and moves his feet.  No one here would vote for its deletion on grounds of "encyclopedic brevity").  There's no need to register only the very essential, as long as the information is on topic, accurate and free of copyright restrictions.  Theoretically, it would even be possible to list every single official match Kuerten (or any other player) has ever played, maybe creating a series of articles for that.  Since that would require a surreal amount of time and work, I chose to list only those matches played in the tournaments he won, which of course mark his career, which would also make it possible to keep everthing in a single article (but if someone would volunteer their time and effort, and a lot of it, I'd see no problems in having articles such as "Kuerten's 1997 season", or something like that, listing all matches he played in that year).  The information can be found elsewhere?  That's no obstacle to having it here, that consensus has been reached by the community.  You don't think that that stuff matters?  All you have to do is not read the article/section containing it, just as I haven't spent my time learning how Federer holds his racket. Redux 23:01, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing the Professional Career Subsection

message: The chart of titles looks extremely sloppy with partially filled out flags. Also, putting in a flag of the tournament's location seems to add unnecessary clutter. I recommend just saying "Lisbon, Portugal" rather than putting a Portuguese flag which serves little purpose. On the other hand, the flags by finalists names are good-looking because the players play as a representative of their country.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.237.125.244 (talk • contribs) .
:I don't know why people decided to start adding flags to all of the titles boards, for all the bios.  Seems needless to me, and it makes the page "heavier" to load (especially for those with slower internet connections).  IMO, we could afford to do without those flags.  Regards,  Redux 23:03, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don't agree. The flags are good and don't take up that much space/time on connections. - Pernambuco 22:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Flags

message: Would it be appropriate if I add something about Guga's personal life and loves? - Pernambuco 22:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Love interest

message: Under the section of the 2000 French Open in "title details", it says that it was his third consecutive final against Magnus Norman.  That statement is incorrect.  They only played each other in the finals of an event twice, and those two matches were not even consecutive.  Check the heads-up matches for Kuerten and Norman on the ATP website to see for yourself.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.14.84.110 (talk) 00:15, August 20, 2007 (UTC) 
:Indeed.  When I added the details, some time ago, I somehow misread their Hamburg 2000 match as being a Final, when it was in fact a Quarterfinal match (had it been a final, the French Open final would have been a third straight final, since they had played in Rome's final before Hamburg).  It's been corrected, thanks :).  In cases like this, please feel free to correct the information, if you know what needs correcting.  This is how we improve Wikipedia.  Cheers,  Redux 15:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title details

message: I have added the cleanup-section tag to Distinctions. Most of the entries are
not distinctions at all (while they may be worth mentioning in a differently
named section). Example: Having the hardest serve is a distinction; having
a 212 km/h serve is just an interesting (at least to the right reader) fact.
The claim
 Guga is the only tennis player to reach and win his first top-level final in a Grand Slam.
is problematic on at least two counts: Firstly, it is not clear to me what it
means. Secondly, if I go by the most plausible explanation ("He was the only
player to win his first Grand Slam final."), it is definitely wrong. The second
most likely alternativ ("He never won a big tournament before his first 
Grand Slam win.") is at least dubious, and highly subjective. (What is a big
tournament, respectively top-level final?)
I suggest a complete re-write, preferably in combination with a renaming of the
section.
94.220.249.64 (talk) 08:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distinctions 

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thread_title:  External links modified