Talk:Jewish outreach

message: * Please see Talk:Baal teshuva#Orthodox Jewish outreach unlike other Jewish outreach?--יודל 15:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: For differences in those groups

message: I edited the lead to this dab page...I assume I'm correct in assuming that what's being referred to here is qeruv ("kiruv" to say it the way most people seem to).  I added the "Christianized" because qeruv does not have the meaning of "reaching out" (which gives me mental pictures of Christians grasping at people to steal their souls) so much as of "pulling toward oneself", albeit in this case "pulling toward Hashemself".  I realize the Reform like to use the word "outreach" (although for them it is to try to involve non-Jewish spouses in Reform "Judaism" in a self-defeating effort to keep the progeny of mixed marriages from being completely ignorant of Judaism).  The Reform generally make a muddled mixed up mess of confusing Tiqun `Olam with Qeruv (as do many Conservative Jews) and miss both boats in the process.  Relevancy:  neither Tiqun nor Qeruv are a part of what the Reform are referring to when they say "outreach".  (It would be qeruv if there were anything of substance to be drawing its victims close to, but there just simply is nothing there, so it's not genuine qeruv.)  That's my polemic for the evening.  Fire extinguisher stands ready.  Tomertalk 11:32, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The orthodox have indeed adopted the word Outreach. And re your edit  Please clarify what does the word Outreach have to do with Christians?--יודל 11:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where have "the orthodox" (whatever that really means) adopted the word "outreach"?  (To my knowledge, "the orthodox", indeed most of "the conservative" stick to the word "kiruv" [sic].)  As for my assertion that it is the Christians who use this word, just do a google search.  Tomertalk 11:49, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  AJOP isn't Reform nor Christian nor Conservative and they use Outreach in their name. I did a goggle search and the results are in, the Christians do not use this word more than the Jews--יודל 12:00, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You clearly have selective vision.  The first link is Christian, as are most of the sponsored links.  As it happens, only 4 of the links (including one to this page) that appear in the first 20 pages of that search are even remotely Jewish-related, while a great many are Christian-related.  Tomertalk 12:18, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, btw, have you noticed that the AJOP article you refer to says that people who are involved in what you vaunt as "outreach" refer to themselves not as "outreach professionals/workers/volunteers", but rather "kiruv professionals/workers/volunteers"?  Tomertalk 12:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK i grant you this, Kiruv is more used than Outreach in Orthedox circles. but where is your source that Outreach is something of a Christian origin?--יודל 12:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I didn't say Outreach is of Christian origin, I said use of the word "outreach" to [horribly mistranslate] qeruv is a reflection of Christian usage rather than an accurate translation of the meaning of the word qeruv or what qeruv entails.  Tomertalk 19:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I beg your pardon?  If I thought of myself as "amusing", I'd give stand-up comedy a try... I take great offense at your characterization of my saying that "outreach" is a Christianized mistranslation of qeruv falls under the rubric of WP:NONSENSE.  Tomertalk 05:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's this about "outreach"? 

message: The naming conventions seem, at least to my interpretation, to prefer names such as Outreach in Orthodox Judaism, etc., over the current names.  Comments?  Tomertalk 05:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article naming