Talk:Slayer

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Does anyone know how to fix it? There are many black lines covering it. Statik N (talk) 03:47, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band member timeline 

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thread_title:  External links modified (February 2018) 

message: This seems like a really silly point of contention. They played their last show on November 30, 2019. They confirmed their breakup multiple times before the tour even started. If they're no longer playing or recording, what exactly is the argument for saying they're currently a band? Skeletor3000 (talk) 00:40, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: None of that has anything to do with whether they're still a band or not, and I'm not sure what you're mentioning the fact that "Slayer" is a noun, as that has nothing to do with whether we use past or present tense. The Beatles have merch. Members of Oasis are still alive. Both were bands. Araya wouldn't say "I'm in this band called Slayer." He would say "I was in this band called Slayer." You're right that it's simple grammar. Araya was in Slayer. Slayer was a band. Check any Wikipedia page (or any published work for that matter) referring to a defunct band and tell me what you find out about "simple grammar." Skeletor3000 (talk) 18:12, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

text: As the person that requested the most recent page protection, the current situation sure beats the edit warring seen before with the constant back and forth over "is" and "was". It has been quoted by KK's wife that they are done, this has been reliably sourced to Blabbermouth and the general feeling among many longstanding editors that watch this article was to leave it as "was" for now. And you are wrong btw, we don't say "Nirvana "is" a band..." Robvanvee 18:10, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

text: What are you talking about? Nobody thinks Slayer is a describing word. The fact that you're even bringing that up shows that you need to brush up on your parts of speech. Are you saying you think "is/are" goes with nouns, and "was/were" goes with adjectives? I'm beginning to understand why you find this so confusing. Skeletor3000 (talk) 18:19, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

text: Nirvana is an adjective? Can you use it as one in a sentence? I hope you're messing with me, or I fear for your clients. Skeletor3000 (talk) 18:25, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

text: Probably not. It's simple grammar, after all. Skeletor3000 (talk) 18:31, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

text: Maybe we should focus on consensus for bigger debates, like whether the earth is round or flat. Skeletor3000 (talk) 18:39, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Slayer is" versus "Slayer was" 

message: Why are Slayer speed metal? The answer to that question is  obvious, they play at a blistering pace and always have done, from the very early days of their career. Why are they death metal, at least in the early days of their career? Again a very simple answer, they spent all day either talking about death itself lyrically or the luciferian as well God Forgive them and also, technically no-one can argue that Reign in Blood is not a Death Metal album. You simply cannot have the influence Slayer has had on extreme metal and death metal itself as a genre in general without being in some way, at least partly Death Metal yourself. Once again, this should be readily apparent as it simply stands to reason.  Also, I clearly remember the British metal magazines I read myself as a teenager, namely Raw, Kerrang and Metal Hammer clearly referring to Slayer as a Death Metal and Speed Metal act in the mid to late 1980s. Anyone who would care to go through those magazines' issues from those years would clearly find those designations there. However as the 90s wore on that designation seemed to shift and Slayer were from then on categorised as fundamentally a Trash Metal outfit, hence the confusion but like I said, pull issues of the British Metal and Hard Rock magazines from that era and you will find copious references to Slayer as a speed metal and death metal act. Of the so-called " Big Four " in the 80s they were always slightly on the periphery, being regarded as the fastest, the most brutal, the heaviest, the most morbid in terms of lyrics and let's face it: essentially the most evil. Death metal they may not have remained but anyone who can argue that Reign in Blood is not one of the greatest Death Metal albums is no disrespect intended, simply talking nonsense. I'll say it again, you simply cannot have that much influence on a developing genre, namely Death and Speed Metal in the 1980s without being in some small way a part of that genre yourself. Not to me anyhow.
Brádach Mac Gormáin (talk) 23:20, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre of Slayer. 

message: This is an article on a very popular (and active until very recently) band that has not been reviewed since its promotion in 2007. Issues:
:*In the lead:  - there's no reference in the body of the article to torture, genocide, politics, organized crime, secret societies, mythology, occultism, hate crimes, antireligion or xenophobia, so that's a lot of original research going on;
:*Similarly in the lead:  - There's zero mention of how they influenced other bands visually in the article and only one reference to lyrics in the Legacy section;
:* - The provided reference for this sentence is an article about the tritone that only covers the 2nd part of the sentence (use in the Middle Ages), so that's a failed verification. This was just a random spotcheck, I did not check any of the other links;
:*All those bands that have named Slayer as an influence need references (Legacy section);
:*http://metallipromo.com/slay.html and http://www.rockonthenet.com/archive/2002/grammys.htm are not high quality reliable sources; citations need clean up (bare urls, for instance);
:*The Controversy section ends in 2006;
:* There is no lack of mentions of Slayer in scholarly publications, so an article on such an influent band should have more scholarly coverage (just examples):
::*A stairway to heaven or a highway to hell?: Heavy metal rock music in the 1990s (2006);
::*The poetics of destruction: Death metal rock (2008);
::*Metalheads: Heavy Metal Music And Adolescent Alienation (2018);
::*Extreme Metal: Music and Culture on the Edge (2006).
The article needs to be updated to reflect the last 12+ years of coverage on the band. RetiredDuke (talk) 19:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw in the article's history that you have made significant improvements to this article. Are you willing to address the above concerns? Z1720 (talk) 13:43, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA in need of review 

message: How about including heavy metal? Vikthor06 (talk) 13:44, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: they dont play traditional heavy metal at all --FMSky (talk) 18:54, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding notes on genre section 

message: i feel like slayer is definitely black metal. The satanic imagery and themes, the fast tempo, the tremolo picked riffs… definitely
https://www.kerrang.com/rick-rubin-says-slayer-were-one-of-the-inventors-of-black-metal
https://tonedeaf.thebrag.com/why-slayer-are-innovators-not-just-thrashers/amp/
also a source on metalwani, which is blacklisted for some reason. BoxxyBoy (talk) 09:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding black metal to Genres? 

message: Dette was never an actual member of the band, he helped out on a couple tours. The official drummers were Lombardo and bostaph. 142.160.108.140 (talk) 05:37, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jon dette 

message: Listening to the old Slayer rehearsal tapes, from 1982, it is possible to see that most likely Slayer had plans to become a Black metal band, not only because of its aesthetics and symbology, but also because of the distortions that closely resembled that of a Blackstar (Blackpedal) apart from the vocals that were much more booming like a guttural vocal.
Which is not so hard to believe, since several other thrash metal bands either started out as black metal, or due to fate, ended up mixing the two genres, like Sepultura, Sarcófago, Bathory, Sodom, Venom with Slayer was no different.
So I edited it and it have to stay that way unless someone presents a counterpoint, until then, don't revert.
--The Young Prussian (talk) 22:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slayer started out as Black Metal 

message: Why is he listed as a touring member in 1983 and 1996? In 1983 he was only the roadie for Slayer and I haven't found a single source confirming he played with them in 1996. There's not a single mention of that anywhere in Slayer biographies or in the Internet 77.254.250.141 (talk) 10:40, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gene Hoglan has never played with Slayer