Talk:E pluribus unum

message: I question why there is a 'similarity' reference to 'Unity in Diversity' - the United States motto aims to make its many immigrants join one America, the European Union one has no such goal and wants to preserve the differences between the diverse groups. If there are no reasonable objections I intend to remove this line. michael talk 02:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For many Americans, it does imply Unity in Diversity. Certainly at the time this phrase was created, there was no expectation that the 13 colonies would become culturally identical.  Of course, others disagree, and see the phrase as meaning that everyone in the US should become culturally identical.--RLent (talk) 18:42, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: "Unum" is supposed to be capitalized.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.18.26.15 (talk • contribs) 
:According to whom?  In the original Latin, the entire thing would be capitalized (if you will), and on US coins, the whole phrase is indeed capitalized.  I suppose you could go back to the original documents introducing it as a national motto, but capitalization has always been a fluid enterprise, especially when comparing the 18th and 21st centuries.  Most importantly, AFAIK it is almost always rendered "E pubes Unum"in contemporary English usage.  Anyone else have any thoughts on this matter?  --Xyzzyva 11:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Unum" is supposed to be Capitalized.

message: Unum is accusative case (object of verb or preposition). It is not nominative case (unus) & so it is not the subject of the sentence, It should come at the end of the English sentence rather than at the beginning--JimWae 21:24, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unum - accusative case

message: "However, "E Pluribus Unum" is often poorly translated to mean "One out of many" or "One from many." However, the position of the pronoun unum points to the aforementioned meaning, which refers to the unity of the disparate states of the United States."
: You can't infer the English word order from the Latin. "E Pluribus Unum" and "Unum E Pluribus" are equivalent in Latin, and either word order in ENglish would be a reasonable translation. I agree though, that historically the phrase referred to many states forming one union. --ABehrens (talk) 03:28, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: I notice the article contains a link to Virgil's Moretum, which I understand is the first recorded use of the phrase, but this isn't mentioned in the text. I really don't know enough about the subject to add it myself, but I just thought I'd comment on it. Martin (talk) 22:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Moretum (salad recipe as origen of phrase)

message: "The motto means "Out of Many, One," and probably refers to the unity of the early States. Colonel Reed of Uxbridge, Massachusetts, is said to have been instrumental in having it placed on Usonian coins."
The proper name for a citizen of the United States is "American," not "Usonian" the kind of foolish edit needs to be discouraged. Fixed. Travis T. Cleveland (talk) 23:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it offensive? Incorrect, yes, but offensive? Zazaban (talk) 00:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a word pushed by Frank Lloyd Wright... AnonMoos (talk) 14:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Offensive Rubbish

message: Latin is a beautiful language. let me just tell you that the correct translation for E Pluribis Unum is One From Many.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.181.27 (talk) 21:07, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: LATIN

message: I take issue with this sentence
Its Anglicized pronunciation is .
I don't think unum is really ever pronounced with a consonantal y sound. It's pronounced u:nəm. I would re-write it as . I'm not sure about how the pronunciation for pluribus is written. I'll leave that be. --Revolución talk 00:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: This claim (without citation) from the introduction strikes me as quite odd:
"A different account was put forward in the Discovery Channel program "Secret America". According to an interview with Priscilla Linn, Senior Curator, State Dept. Diplomacy, the phrase "Out of Many, One" came from a magazine called "The Gentleman's Magazine,"  published at the time of the revolution. Each year, the magazine would re-purpose one article from each of the year's  12 issues, publishing a standalone issue that was "Out of many, one"."
There's no citation for this program, that is, there's no pointer to a place one could actually verify this claim (on or off the web). In a quick search I couldn't turn up a transcript of the show or any other record of such an interview with Linn.
So I've moved the relevant passage here pending verification.  Eedwa 01 (talk) 09:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Discovery Channel

message: Yes its possible that it was meant as 
E =from or out of ;
pluri = plus more ;
bus = for all ;
unum =  union  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.56.23.89 (talk) 06:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: from or out of plus more for all union

message: Symbolically, the phrase E pluribus unum has 13 letters (as does Annuit coeptis). This example of gematria (isopsephy) then represents the 13 colonies becoming the United States. The back of the US 2010 penny features E pluribus unum and a shield with 13 vertical stripes. The back of the US dollar includes these 13 letters among 13 symbolic references to the number 13. - p. 121, The Secret Symbols of the Dollar Bill by David Ovason (Harper Collins, 2004)
The ancient practice of Hebrew gematria/Greek isopsephy/Arabic abjad numerals/hisab al-jummal and modern Simple(6,74) English(7,74) Gematria(8,74) appears to primarily concentrate on the gematric sums of words/names, i.e. Ruler=74 Sargon=74 (S19+a1+r18g7+o15+n14). But this is actually 'Step 2' of gematria(74). 'Step 1' of gematria(8) is simply counting the number of letters in a word/name/phrase. Because of Roman Numerals not coinciding with their place in the Latin Alphabet, i.e. I does not = 1, Latin gematria never gave much importance to Step 2 of gematric sum. But the learned Romans and other learned practioners of Latin did recognize Step 1 of counting the Latin letters and giving significance to it. This practice can be traced back to Plato's (Pythagoreans') use of "God is ever a geometer", which in Greek ἀεὶ ὁ Θεὸς ὁ μέγας γεωμετρεῖ equals 3,1,4,1,5,9 or 3.14159 π pi. - Brad Watson, Miami, FL 64.136.26.22 (talk) 12:08, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This section is extremely odd. It's meaningless information without it being an intentional symbol and it's not made clear that it was intentional symbology initially. It's extremely difficult to check the reference cited to verify the academic validity (and something tells me the author is inferring a lot here). If it wasn't intentional (in a verifiable manner), then it shouldn't be included in this entry. If it was intentional, then this section should be cleaned up to reflect that fact as it's focal point. It just sounds like inference right now. Can someone please check on this that has access to that book and check its academic authenticity? 71.195.176.45 (talk) 07:41, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: E pluribus unum = 13 letters

message: Why is there so much information about In God We Trust? Having God as part of American symbolism is a hotly-debated topic. It's barely related to E pluribus unum. 188.102.8.58 (talk) 18:00, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  In God We Trust? 

message: Assuming this ought to be translated according to the rules of Classical Latin, the translation should really be "One of Many. This is an idiomatic usage commonly attested, and I think it could be considered more correct although less literal. "Of" usually denotes the genitive case in Latin, but this is a different situation, more like the phrase "one of the boys is good" (in Latin, E pueris unus bonus est). Is this worth noting within the article? Most verily, 'tis Metaknowledge! 02:54, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classical Latin translation 

message: I see that the Latin pronuncation is provided as  [ˈeː ˈpluːrɪbʊs ˈuːnũː] which in the sense that the final [m] is omitted/nasalizes the previous vowel when  the text continues, but here unum is phrase final position, so omitting it does not make sense. ImreK (talk) 15:54, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin IPA 

message: Here is the Meaning section as it stands now:
:The traditionally understood meaning of the phrase was that out of many states (or colonies) emerges a single nation. However, in recent years its meaning has come to suggest that out of many peoples, races, religions, languages, and ancestries has emerged a single people and nation—illustrating the concept of the melting pot.[7]
Despite the {WP:NPOV} made thus far regarding this page, this paragraph in particular seems to have a book centric to ethnic diversity and discrimination as its sole citation.  Further, the following is a perfect example of wikipedian weasel wording {WP:WEASEL}:
:However, in recent years its meaning has come to suggest[...]
^^^^which is extremely weak.Tgm1024 (talk) 21:21, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Meaning section contains weasel wording and a flimsy citation 

message: Whomever you are, if you're going to reverse my edit that removed the "melting pot" crap that ended up in the Meaning section, then come here and supply your reasons for keeping it.
That article in Time magazine was an editorial musing and cannot hold muster against the prior citation which contradicts it.  Now if you do feel that "E pluribus unum" somehow is this melting pot nonsense, then please make your case here.  And for GOD'S SAKE don't use crap language like "recent times" again.Tgm1024 (talk) 01:32, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning section: STILL the same weasel wording, and further, the cited source is an opinion piece in Time Magaine. 

message: : AuBC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation - "We are one" ----MountVic127 (talk) 22:31, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about other countries and languages?