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message: Salutes
Previously, it was conventional for persons present when the national anthem was performed to stand with their arms by their sides. In recent years, at the government's encouragement, it has become customary to place one's right clenched fist over one's heart when the anthem is played or sung.[15]
I have confirmed with a teacher friend (he would be the best person to confirm this as the National Anthem is played in schools every morning) that there is no such thing. Pupils continue to sing the anthem while standing at attention with their arms by their sides.
Persons in military or paramilitary uniforms generally don their head dress and salute on the first note of the anthem, holding the salute till the last note.
Anyone who has performed military service would know this. I am sure the written directive is somewhere in MINDEF's general orders or something but not available online.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.132.3.12 (talk) 09:16, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, thanks for your interesting comments. I do seem to remember, though, that there was official encouragement to place one's clenched fist over one's heart when national anthem is played or sung. Unfortunately, I've not been able to find any definitive references for this. However, since there is a newspaper article attesting to the practice, I don't think information about it should be removed from the article at this stage. I've therefore reverted your edit. I've also not located any references for the use of a salute by military personnel. Unfortunately, the fact that your teacher friend has said something or that "[a]nyone who has performed military service would know" is not really sufficient evidence. If you (or other editors) can help locate some references such as Ministry of Education circulars and MINDEF orders and directives, even if they are not available online, do add them to the article. By the way, do sign and date your postings by adding four tildes ("~~~~") at the end of your messages. — Cheers, JackLee –talk–</span> 15:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi, Rifleman 82. I suggest we err on the side of generosity and leave the information in until better evidence turns up. — Cheers, JackLee –talk–</span> 01:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, "the National Anthem is played in schools every morning" and students (like myself) place our right clenched fists over our hearts when reciting the pledge, but not when singing Majulah Singapura. However, it goes without saying that Hildanknight is not a reliable source. The New Paper is, but that is simply one article "attesting to the practice", without mentioning any form of encouragement of this practice by the government. May I also note that the sentence about salutes is unreferenced. Unless and until reliable and suitable references are found and cited in the article, the section should probably be removed. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 01:44, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  For the part on salutes, this may help:
Paying of Compliments at Parades and Ceremonies - GOM 402-03-01
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/resources/e-books/ebklist.-imindefPars-0022-DownloadFile.tmp/ourArmyCustomsTraditions.pdf (page 27) Delirious prince (talk) 01:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Zscout370 removed the entire section, prematurely I think. I've restored it but deleted references to the practice of holding one's clenched fist to one's heart during the performance of the national anthem being officially endorsed. It may well be that it is incorrect for people to do so when the anthem is played, as compared to when the national pledge is taken, but the New Paper article attests to the fact that people in Singapore are now doing so. There is a YouTube video (which can't be referenced in the article as it's probably in breach of copyright) showing the entire Singapore national football team doing so. I've rewritten the portion on military salutes based on the source provided by Delirious prince. Thanks for that! — Cheers, JackLee –talk–</span> 02:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re Salutes 

message: I've removed the Lyrics section as it appears the anthem is still under copyright until 2058.  Powers T 12:56, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also nominated the lead image and the audio recording for deletion on Commons, FYI.  Powers T 13:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Clindberg has restored the "Lyrics" section, but I have to reluctantly agree with Powers that it is problematic. There is no provision in the Copyright Act of Singapore stating that the national anthem is in the public domain, which means that it is copyrighted as a literary work. The copyright is presumably held by the Government, and may expire in 2028: see my comments at ":commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Majulah Singapura instrumental.ogg". ":commons:Template:PD-EdictGov" applies, but doesn't a work have to be in the public domain in both the source country and in the US for us to retain it? — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 17:58, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
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message: Greetings! It appears that there are recent additions of the "Poetic English" and Cantonese versions to the anthem's lyrics. However, I'm afraid I will have to remove them. The "Poetic English" lyrics are already redundant with the official English translation provided to correspond the original Malay. The Cantonese lyrics too will have to be removed on the arguments that:
# Cantonese is not considered as an official language of Singapore unlike Mandarin, and;
# should the Cantonese lyrics exist presumably as an aid to certain citizens who could not understand Malay or English at a time when Mandarin proficiency was not prioritised (e.g the Speak Mandarin Campaign) or prevalent, there seems to be no verified historical evidence to support the addition of those Cantonese lyrics.
If credible references can be provided to support those additions on the Lyrics section, do let us know.
Sincerely,
Anumengelamun (talk) 18:25, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
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