Talk:Dar Williams

message: Dar is not bisexual. That Toronot report was from a magazine that mis-quoted Dar. She's corrected that on many occasions. This line should be removed.
Should she be listed under "gay icons"? She's got quite the lesbian following. (anonymous comment from User:68.46.22.195)
:Absolutely not.  The "Gay icons" category needs to go away entirely.  Kelly Martin 01:06, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
::Maybe it should, but while its still here, its important that we keep it accurate and add this article to is.
:::Was that one of Yoda's grammatical constructs?  I don't know what qualifies one as a gay icon.  I guess I don't understand why the category is helpful.  All sorts of folks like Dar.  -MrFizyx 04:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sexual Orientation

message: She has been added to this category.  The article does not comment on this.  I've read about her several times (even met her once) and don't remember hearing of this.  Google just returns copies of the wiki.  Does anyone have a source? -MrFizyx 15:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then again, the article does discuss her stage fright in the Boston coffee house scene which is supported in some articles , still it seems weird to categorize this with a clinical term. -MrFizyx 15:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This category has since been deleted: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 15 -MrFizyx 16:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:People with glossophobia]] 

message: Someone made a laudable attempt to clean up the POV problem by adding he words "considered by some to be" to the following sentence:
:Dar's slightly whispery voice and deadpan delivery is considered by some to be perfect for that seventies anthem of alienation.
Adding weasel words isn't the solution to the problem. -PJMweb 07:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Weasel words

message: Stumbled across several citations saying that Dar is not a vegetarian.  They're old, but I found nothing more authoritative.
*Hemp Times interview
*Mother Jones interview
Removed Dar from Vegetarian category. -PJMweb 07:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category: Vegetarian 

message: Can't find anything that ties Dar's Cry Cry Cry with the song Cry, Cry, Cry.  This interview mentions the genesis of Dar's Cry Cry Cry without every talking about the song.  I'm removing the reference to the song from the Dar article. -PJMweb 07:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cry Cry Cry 

message: I have a free photo of Dar that I took at SUNY New Paltz.  Should it be used instead of this copyrighted one?  I think it's also a better photo for this article in so far as that it shows her face better.  RadicalHarmony 04:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted back to an earlier photo that appears to have a creative commons license (:Image:Dar-Williams-2004-07-18.jpg), I think it looks better than :Image:DarW368BSheehan.jpg anyway, which is copyrighted.  If you have another good photo and want to release it under a free license, I'm sure it will fit in there somewhere. -MrFizyx 16:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An editor, , has changed the photo back to the copyrighted image and indicated that this was done at the request of Dar Williams.  The problem is that this is against wikipedia guidelines (see Wikipedia:Non-free content).  If nothing is being done to correct this problem, we will need to return to the earlier image. -MrFizyx 16:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with using the free-content picture, firstly because it IS free content, and secondly I think it looks better. —ScouterSig 04:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I've reverted Velourmusic again, he/she does not seem to understand the problem.  Is there another free image of Dar available for which there would be less objecton?  If Dar (or anyone else) doesn't like the "Concert under the stars" photo the thing to do is release another photo under a free license.  I don't see the problem with the free photo.  I think it is comparable to Dar's photo on a recent issue of Sing Out!, but If she doesn't like it we should try to find another. -MrFizyx 14:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I've added back the image :File:Dar-Williams-2004-07-18.jpg. The image added by  was deleted from Wiki Commons on December 24, 2014 because there was no way to verify that the image was truly owned by . -PJMweb (talk) 03:32, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's more information about the removal of the  image: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Dar Thumbs Up.jpg. -PJMweb (talk) 03:42, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: I just changed the in-line references into footnotes, for consistency with other footnotes.  In this exercise, I noticed a potential problem with the references:
Several of the references refer to news articles that have been reproduced on a website other than the original source's website.  To me, this at least reduces the validity of the reference.  I  wonder whether this should be mentioned in the footnote, and if so, how?  An example is Finding a New Approach. -PJMweb 15:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not too concerned about this.  First, you can verify that an article on Dar Williams did appear in that issue by looking throught the contents of Performing Songwriter back issues (its now out of print).  Second, I could point you to numerous other writing on Dar Williams by the same Boston journalist, Scott Alarik (e.g. in Deep Community).  Finally, I don't know see the motivation for Dar Williams posting false aritcles about herself on her web site. -MrFizyx 04:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for cleaning up the references.  Note that DarWilliams.net isn't actually maintained by Dar Williams.  I've also noted this in the Dar article. -PJMweb 14:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: how is the lyrics to Beauty Of the Rain a haiki? Who wrote that? Do they even know what a haiki is?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.111.198 (talk) 05:41, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haiki 

message: Not sure where a eye-witness account fis into the wiki philosophy, but based on attending a couple of concerts (Berkeley and San Juan Capistrano), I can attest to a link between the song and the Band name. The Berkeley concert included the song on the set list, and it was stated that this was the inspiration for the name. It was not on in the SJC set list. Straylimey (talk) 04:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cry Cry Cry name origins 

message: I'm cutting a huge chunk out of the Later Work section.  It's nice writing for a fansite, but it has nothing to do with the way that wikipedia writes about musicians.  If anything, it should be on the relevant song's pages.  Here it is:
The Beauty of the Rain features some of her most accomplished songwriting to date. The title track is almost a haiku, discussing how an unnamed person operates from fear in a relationship, and thus loses his or her partner, and how this person fails to understand that the process of relating is what love is:
You don't know the next thing you will say
This is your favorite kind of day
It has no walls
The beauty of the rain
Is how it falls, how it falls, how it falls
Williams addresses the subject of motherhood in "The One Who Knows," although she would not become a mother until two years after writing the song:
All the things you treasure most
will be the hardest won.
I will watch you struggle long
before the answers come.
But I won't make it harder,
I'll be there to cheer you on.
And the chorus:
You'll fly away, but take my hand until that day.
So when they ask how far love goes
When my job's done you'll be the one who knows.
In "The Mercy of the Fallen", she makes the assertion that those who have erred and been damaged, who have been humbled, bring a worthy lack of judgment to relationships:
There's the wind and the rain
And the mercy of the fallen
Who say they have no claim to know what's right
There's the weak and the strong
And the beds that have no answer
And that's where I may rest my head tonight
Her most recent CD, My Better Self, features two covers: Neil Young's "Everybody Knows This is Nowhere", and Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb". Williams believes that it is all too easy for people to get lulled by the comfort of their routines, and so chose to record the latter song as a "reminder to wake up" and take responsibility for the problems in our world.[6]
She returns to her folk roots with "Teen for God", an upbeat, thoughtful, skewering of the probable reality of teenage Bible camps:
Dear Lord, I plan each day
By the things I will not do or say
But I'm driven by a passion
Is it only there to tame?
  Over and out.  Ethan Mitchell (talk) 22:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Slash and burn

message: The Political Life section contains a general description of William's political beliefs.  It also contains a description of a recent controversy regarding a letter written by Williams and her husband. This description didn't contain a reference, so I found a supporting article and added a reference it.
Someone had previously attempted to remove the verbiage regarding the controversy, but the original editor added it back.  The Wikipedia contributions of both of those editors appear to be limited to either posting or deleting information about this controversy.
But this little tug-of-war does highlight one question: How relevant to the long career of a singer-songwriter is one controversial letter in a local political campaign?  Particularly considering that William's political life is by no means limited to this one incident.  For example, I once attended a charity concert given by Williams in support of eliminating the death penalty. PJMweb (talk) 03:19, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Political Life

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