Talk:Death Note/Archive 5

message: why should it not be added? The Naruto page, as well as the One Piece page have them, so why shouldnt death note? Quatreryukami 20:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the reason Naruto and One Piece have the current episode tally displayed is because not only are the manga series on which they are based still running, no information has been provided from official sources concerning the expected number of episodes. Death Note, on the other hand, is based on a finished manga series, and a figure has been provided concerning how many episodes are planned. While I can't say this answer is definitive, it seems logical enough, ne? ^.^ Lithiumflower 20:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. When a series has a finite and announced number of episodes, it makes more sense to only list that number, instead of the current tally. When a series doesn't have a limited number of episodes planned (i.e. a definite ending in sight), it makes more sense to update the total as episodes are aired, so that it reflects the maximum number of episodes that are guaranteed to exist. Make sense, Quatreryukami? (Also, please sign your talk posts with four ~ symbols, not plain text. It helps keep the exact times straight, because time zones differ and all, plus it gives a link to your Userpage automatically, and it's less keystrokes. Thanks!) Nique talk 20:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. And i do use the ~ symbols, its kinda wierd.... Quatreryukami 16:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for keeping the episode list at 37 until there's verifiable information that the planned number has been changed from thirty-seven to "open-ended/TBA/TBD", "forty-two", etc. Jaguara 20:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the Japanese interwiki site for the anime, it confirms that the TV series will end in June 2007. I am not sure of it, but we will see.... Sjones23 01:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Calm yourself anon; the total is 37 episodes; 27 have aired.--十八 02:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There were major spoilers in his post. I deleted them. Hope that's ok. Slavik81 10:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently not. That was quite a vicious response. It's a wonder that there are actually people who join the wikipedia community when the members pounce on an honest mistake. Slavik81 05:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is telling you that altering other's comments just because you had Death Note spoiled for you, and asking you to please refrain from doing this in the future, a vicious response?  I believe it is a mature answer to explain to you what Wikipedia's policy is on your actions, and was not vicious.  If you have anymore to discuss about this, please post it on my talk page.  SuperDT 00:08, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: number of episodes

message: I have read the rules of the death note here and noticed there are a lot missing that I can find out about but, It says no one should change them, just want an explanation to why not, otherwise I'm starting to write down new once in 4 days. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pattesai (talk • contribs) 08:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the answers just by reading around a bit here. The full list isn't on the main page because there's a subpage for the rules; that page doesn't have the full list because it's a copyright violation. Doceirias 10:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If some of the rules are listed, why are they not in violation of copyright? ( I know this might be a dumb question.) Lawliet| 00:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The written rules are a very small section of the total rules, and they were written in the Note in the series. The unwritten rules are also here because they were in the Note in the series. But the sheer AMOUNT of rules written in between the chapters (I wrote them all out by hand, and it took me 20 looseleaf sheets of paper, for an idea how many there are, and my handwriting is not very big) makes them severely in violation of copyright to post in full. Nique talk 05:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rules

message: I thought that it would be better if the List of Death Note manga page was renamed to a more descriptive such as: List of Death Note manga volumes, List of Death Note manga tankōbon, or List of Death Note manga chapters . Another suggestion is to make a List of Death Note media page which could include the DVD, movie Theme songs, Movie Cast, and Anime theme songs  sections from the main Death note page. (Duane543 02:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: List of Death Note manga is a separate article, go ahead and pop the question on the Talk page there.  I'm not real bugged by the name since it's a WP article in list format, i.e. List of Famous Short Men.  Jaguara 23:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A suggestion

message: On the Anime News Network's website for the Death Note anime, the staff members for that particular adaptation could be there. I know all the staff members' names for that particular anime adaptation. The staff credits are also featured in the Japanese Interwiki site for the anime as well. --Sjones23 22:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't really need comprehensive lists of staff members on Wikipedia, and they don't really belong here anyway. Yes, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and should be comprehensive, Wikipedia should be interesting, and staff lists are not. Nique talk 02:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I know staff lists aren't interesting to you, Nique. Like you said, we "don't really need comprehensive lists of staff members at Wikipedia." Staff members are an essential part of an anime, but unfortunately, we don't necessarily need a staff list for that particular anime adaptation in the article like you said, which could be important, but not interesting. Thanks for the help! ^^ --Sjones23 20:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not just 'to me', staff lists are not interesting, and are not necessary. Staff lists are available in numerous other places which are made to have staff lists, including places like AnimeNewsNetwork as well as the credits in the series itself, and again, Wikipedia should be interesting to read, as well as worth reading about encyclopedically. Wikipedia is also not an indiscriminate collection of information. Just because information exists, does not mean it's suitable for posting to a relevant Wikipedia article. You may want to brush up on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines before doing much more editing in the style in which you have been recently. Nique talk 22:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Sjones23, I'd guess there's a number of other people besides myself who like staff lists.  Maybe create a separate article?  P.S. Nique, will you please look at your text?  You're coming off as deflecting any additions or input because they're "not interesting" to you or otherwise don't meet your approval by weaseling it in "Wikipedia this" and "Wikipedia that".  Nobody owns this article.  Jaguara 23:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So you'd prefer that I make unfounded comments based solely on my own opinions without citing policies, guidelines, and essays on Wikipedia to support my position on why they should/should not be included? *Confused* I'm not doing it with a vendetta against staff lists, because they do have a place, but that place is not here, as per the links I put in my last reply and the explanations therein. Nique talk 23:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: After all, according to the the policies of WP:NOR, WP:Trivia and the policies that Nique described, this staff list for most of the anime could be considered trivial (without additional context, as stated on my talk page) and not necessarily needed. I will do my best at using Wikipedia's policies and guidelines as a Wikipedian. I am so deepfully sorry about all of this. Truly, I am. Jaguara, let me remind you to please try to understand and try to use the Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, okay? Thanks again for the advice earlier, Nique, and I must also agree with the WP:OURS policy by Jaguara. And you know, Jaguara, you and I both like staff lists and I must also agree with your comment that there are "a number of other people besides myself who like staff lists". --Sjones23 00:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not just this staff list, for the record: all comprehensive staff lists. List the very most main, most essential people in the article where appropriate (i.e. creator, producer, director, and a couple of other choice positions depending on the medium of the title (manga, anime, video game) ), and leave the rest for other sites/sources, is the point I'm trying to get across. Nique talk 01:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, after all, like you said, I should put in all of the "really important" staff members to any appropriate section in an anime article. That is a great idea, Nique, and Thanks! --Sjones23 21:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, as what TKD pointed out to me on my talk page, "production staff lists aren't necessarily needed to list within the article outright, as a full list, without additional context or commentary, probably constitutes trivia." I do not mean any offense, but I feel that adding staff lists are necessary for anime, manga or game articles and so forth, because as what Ganryuu pointed out to me, I, Ganryuu or Nihonjoe, a Wikipedia administrator and a good friend of Ganryuu, usually take them from the Japanese interwiki websites and on most of the articles that I, Ganryuu or Nihonjoe create or expand, but as what Ganryuu pointed out to me on my talk page, "unnecessarily highlighting it will lessen the overall article's feel". I am well aware of the guidelines. I usually intend to go by what Ganryuu has said. Other than that, I should list the most essential and most important staff members (i.e. creator, director, producer, production companies, script writer, character designer and a couple of other choice positions depending on the medium of the article (manga, anime, video game, etc., etc., etc.)) in the article and it can be easily fitted into the article where necessary, as per Nique's comments, on both here and on the AfD discussion for List of RahXephon staff. Again, thanks for the help! --Sjones23 14:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anime staff members

message: I changed Shidoh's and Jastin's names to Sidoh and Justin, as is romanized in Volume 8.  I also changed the spelling on Matsuda's given name from Tota to Touta.  Shido/Shidou looks better to me -- heh, Sid would look better to me since I saw Sid Vicious' name rendered in katakana as シド (Shido if I read the chart right, I don't know much about Japanese).  There's a large contingent who prefers using Raito instead of Light.  I'm on a tangent here so I'll get back on topic.
Since this is the English-language Wikipedia, I feel that using Tetsuichiro Miyaki's romanizations in the English translation is more accurate (going by "the book", so to speak).  - Jaguara-ハグアラ 19:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If we're going with Viz's translations, why not change it back to Gelus as well? And Ray instead of Raye? The creator's intentions are clearly stated in HTR, and the names you've changed today are not so dissimilar that people will not know who you're talking about, but we should follow HTR as it is the most accurate and recent original source of information regarding character names. Nique talk 19:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This looks like a good time to get other editors' and readers' input on the name spellings so as to reach a consensus to avoid potentially wanky and boring edit wars.  Translitering from languages that don't use Latin alphabet and have different phonologies isn't an exact science, especially when multiple translators are working.  It brings on the fun of Weyawega, Quillsh Wammy, the jewel skeleton's Mardi Gras Indian style name and more-- and countless ways to spell khaffiyah.  Going by my ears, Jealous makes more sense per Tsugumi Ohba's romanization.  Perhaps Viz didn't see 13 before the earlier volumes were translated, printed and distributed.  I believe in multiple verifiable sources rather than going solely by v.13 on an article as big as this one. I'm gonna patch together a list of various items like character name romanization, number of anime episodes, whatever else I can think of.  Nique and anyone else, do you have any other ideas for a list of items that should be reviewed that you can throw in? - Jaguara 21:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We have established this consensus a while back, and have decided to use How to Read 13 as our guide for names.  If you'd like to restablish a consensus, I still say we go with How to Read 13, because it is the official "guide book" for the series and since it does use the Latin alphabet.SuperDT 00:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. How To Read 13 lists the names in roman letters, exactly as they were originally intended by the creators to look in roman letters, so it's more accurate than a translation. It should be used as the official source for all the information contained within, where the clear facts (such as a previous discussion about Misa's clothing style pointed out) do not conflict with it. Nique talk 02:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: ...Episode count has nothing to do with this discussion. Perhaps move that up to the discussion about episode numbers? Nique talk 20:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point.  I'll move it on up or over.  Jaguara 20:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Character names

message: Recently it seems the main death note page is getting severely stuffed with information. it seems information on the movies and anime could possiblely get there own pages. Hinro 12:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Media section isn't too bad, and this article is only 34KB in length. IMO, I don't think a split is right for right now. You could still go ahead and create Death Note (anime) and Death Note (film) if you wanted to though. :/--十八 12:51, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, please don't do that. The anime is following the manga WAY too closely to deserve its own page, and the differences in the movie are generally plot-related and covered in the Plot and Characters pages. It's better to keep it on the one page, especially since the article is still under the suggested maximum article length. Even if it went above the suggested max. article length, I'd recommend that we keep it all on the one page. There isn't enough in the way of major differences or information to warrant creating two stubs just to clear up a couple of KB on the main page. Nique talk 17:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, Nique. I've also noticed on the Japanese interwiki page that the Death Note page has 2 separate articles, Death Note (anime) and Death Note (film), as well. Just a heads up. Sjones23 19:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have also noticed that a separate section for List of Death Note characters is included. I know why. It is because the main page was cluttered with that information about the characters. Sjones23 23:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That page has existed for a long time. I just removed some of the characters from this page, and moved the pertinent information to that page from those removed characters, because the Characters section on this page was too long, considering that we do have the characters page. Nique talk 02:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I get it now that the characters section was too long and that is why the main page got cluttered. Sjones23 23:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: ...No, that wasn't the reasoning given by the creator of this discussion at all. Please read others' talk page entries carefully, they make more sense that way. Nique talk 23:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I didn't realize that I could read (edit)others' talk page, because it "makes more sense this way" and actually I didn't know that info, according to your statement, wasn't the reasoning. My fault ^^. Sjones23 19:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: (Not talk pages, talk page entries, replies on these pages.) Nique talk 21:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: (Apologies and thanks once again. (edit: did not realize about the info you sent me Nique)) Sjones23 21:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Main page getting cluttered?

message: Interesting! However, I would directly cite Chinese newspapers such as People's Daily.--JSH-alive talk to mesee my worksmail to me 07:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shenyang incident

message: I reverted an add of an external link and placed a note about them. Please tell me if I am breaking any rules by doing this. Thanks! Quatreryukami 23:58, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all.  We used to have a note up telling to stop posting external links, but it got taken down.    As it stands now, this article has enough external links so that any user can get more info about Death Note if need be.  SuperDT 03:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. This article has enough external links so that "any user can get more info about Death Note". (Also, Quatreryukami, we are not breaking the rules. Thanks!)Sjones23 19:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

message: The two movies Death Note and Death Note: The Last Name should have their own pages, so more information can be added to their respective pages rather than on the main Death Note page. Andrew Eng 18:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I will create those articles whenever possible. Any other things you want to throw in? Sjones23 19:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I disagree. Maybe ONE page for both of them, since they do deviate kind of far from the original series, and move the plot changes in the movie from the current Plotline page to that page, but not separate articles (and leave the Characters page the way it is, with regards to movie changes). Besides, aside from plot changes, is there THAT much information about them, enough to really justify giving them their own articles? Nique talk 20:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. They should maybe have a page, but only one. I doubt there's enough encyclopedia information to separate the two while keeping them from being stubs. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 00:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with all of the above. In the Japanese interwiki site for Death Note, the movie article is only on 1 single page and it is separate from the main article, although it is part of Death Note. I would be honored if I create this article. Sjones23 20:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I've been splicing stuff together, and I just went ahead and created it myself. Still needs a ton of work, but it's there, at Death Note (movie). Hope you don't mind. Nique talk 21:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Slight addendum: Or, y'know, Death Note (film). Sorry. ^^; Nique talk 00:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good, Nique.  And Sjones23, we really shouldn't base our decisions on what the Japanese Wiki does; the English Wiki and Japanese one are two seperate entities, and possibly have different guidlines, manual of styles, how they organize pages etc.SuperDT 00:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My bad, SuperDT. I was just pointing out some things. Sjones23 23:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Movies

message: http://204.157.1.121/~n/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6483897.stm.htm H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 01:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a fake article meant to look like BBC. You can tell by the IP address in the beginning of the URL.--十八 01:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aww, it sounded cool. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 01:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, now I feel dumb. Sorry. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 01:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's alright, everybody gets fooled by some stupid internet thing at one point or another :)SuperDT 14:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Real Kira?

message: How many more episodes are left to air on NTV and what day will the TV series end? Thanks. Sjones23 22:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you shouldn't. The final air date should not be added until either there is a 100% proof positive announcement, or until the episode itself airs. A guess, however educated, is still a guess. Nique talk 23:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, Nique and thanks for the reminder. On the List of Death Note Episodes article, I've noticed that the episodes are getting larger. The final air date should not be added in either the infobox or the "Anime" section until either a 100% proof positive announcement, until the episode itself airs, or NTV makes an official announcement. About VIZ's license, will the english dub be produced by the Ocean Group? I've found on ANN's site on the anime that ANN confirms that the ADR for DN will be produced by the Ocean Group. Sjones23 01:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean, the episodes are "getting larger"? The section doesn't have all the episodes in yet, because the titles haven't all been announced. And ANN is user-edited, and should only be used as a source in a last-resort situation, so I'd take anything said on there regarding who's doing the dub with a cup of salt at this point, unless another, reliable source confirms it. Nique talk 02:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I know why the episodes are getting larger because NTV's official Death Note site announced the episode. As you know, I am a user on ANN (just so you know). VIZ may confirm it and ANN sometimes could be wrong. I will let you know when the news from ANN and/or NTV comes up about "Death Note". Sjones23 14:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What, NTV has announced that the episodes are getting longer or something? What do you mean by the episodes are getting larger? And again, I would not trust information of this nature coming from ANN alone. Until it's officially announced somewhere else, it should be taken as a rumour, and therefore not be added to Wiki, anywhere. (Also, you should really read more books or pay attention in your English class or something, it's next to impossible to understand you yet you claim to be from the US and a native English speaker.) Nique talk 14:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I know there are a lot of reliable sources (e.g Newtype Magazine, official anime websites, Anime Boston 2007, various magazines, networks and so on). A self correction, they are not getting longer, only 37 episodes. (I greatly apologize for any rudeness involved and I admit that I did not mean any offense to you.) About the episodes, how many aired so far? Sjones23 14:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

text: A minor self-correction, ANN's news comes from various sources. Sjones23 14:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

text: (unindent) ANN's news may come from various sources, but it is user-edited, so anyone can add any information to it and not even need to have a source to back it up. That's why we should find or wait for a more reliable source. And so far, 27 episodes have aired, which you can find out by looking at the episodes page (only up to 27 have pictures, and the airdate listed for 28 is 3 days from now). Nique talk 14:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the helpful info. I apologize for being aggressive earlier (that includes sarcasm or rudeness) (Truly, I am :D). Of course. ANN's news may come from various sources. I quote from you: "ANN's news may come from various sources, but it is user-edited, so anyone can add any information to it and not even need to have a source to back it up. That's why we should find or wait for a more reliable source" and "The final air date should not be added until either there is a 100% proof positive announcement, or until the episode itself airs. A guess, however educated, is still a guess (referring to Wikipedia:No Original Research." Remember, Nobody owns this article, so anyone can edit this article. Keep in mind though, that I am a newcomer, so please don't bite me. Sjones23 15:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You keep repeating yourself and quoting others like it will make any difference. If you agree, just say "Okay" or "I agree" or if it's something to be avoided then say "Oh, I get it now, okay." You're no more a newcomer than I am at this point, and you shouldn't claim to be one just to hide from the natural consequences of your actions. Editors should be held accountable for their own actions. And nobody's biting, I'm just asking you to use better English and stop playing with words and grammar that you don't seem to know how to use. Besides, this isn't the place for personal discussion. You've agreed that the information originally mentioned doesn't belong here, discussion over, unless someone else has an objection. Nique talk 15:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you mean. I admit that I did not realize. My fault. Thanks for your help on reminding me to use better English and all of your comments. I know how to use a lot of grammar. As I said earlier, I did not mean any offence. :D Thanks again Sjones23 18:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The number 37 was listed on the NTV site.  It still is. Can there BE any better source? Also, check out previous discussions on the page before posting because often, the answer is already there. Nique talk 14:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly agree. Sjones23 19:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DN anime's end

message: On Talk:List of Death Note characters#Volume 13 and names, Chibi Gohan believes that HTR should not be used as the source for names, because supplementary books like HTR are usually compiled by people other than the creators, and so he feels that HTR was probably in this situation and thus isn't as accurate as the romanizations in the manga itself, or in the translation. Chibi Gohan requested a vote, and while Wiki works on consensus, not democratic methods, I'm not one to avoid bringing this to the attention of other Death Note editors just to impede the process of building consensus.
That said, please place your votes here.
*Use HTR - Not only do I firmly believe that HTR was, at the VERY least, approved by Ohba before being printed, but even aside from that, it's the most recent official source with ALL the names in it, romanized. Such sources are used by other articles on Wikipedia, including Bleach. Nique talk 16:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another debate about using How To Read

message: Great section, but I was wondering:  are there any instances of Death Note causing some sort of controversy elsewhere?  Because if there is, we could possibly make that section into a Controversy section, and state various instances of Death Note causing panic, hysteria, being banned etc.SuperDT 19:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... I am not sure. Sjones23 22:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Censorship in China section

message: I have a question about the List of Death Note characters article. Is there reliable sources that I can add to this article? My only complaints on the List of Death Note characters article is that it needs to cite references and or sources as well as a fair use rationale on all the photos (I am not sure). Thanks. Sjones23 20:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the sources, I would say one entry for the manga, volumes 1-12 (Japanese) or 1-11 (English) and another for How to Read: 13.  SuperDT 00:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: SuperDT, I strongly agree that one entry for the manga (Japanese volumes 1-12 or English volumes 1-11) and another for HTR: 13 should be used for citing references or sources. Sjones23 19:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Character article question

message: What about adding the secundary characters? -Im talking about the japanese police members, the father of Light, and such- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.250.143.185 (talk) 13:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: List of Death Note characters. SuperDT 14:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Further, see Talk:Death Note#Requested semi-protection for the explanation of the removal of the characters. Thanks. Sjones23 21:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Secundary Characters

message: I added to the last paragraph in the "Death Note in China" section with a reference from a recent article from "China Daily"(diff). What's interesting about "China Daily" is that its a government-controlled newspaper and, in essence, reflects an "official" position from the Chinese government. The headline, "'Death Note' days numbered" is particularly interesting in this regard. However, I'm wondering if it sounds too redundant in light of what is said before it? I do think the reference should be used, however. Drumpler 13:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: China Daily

message: The Characters section is a bit unpleasing to the eye, in my opinion.  I experimented with changing the alignment of the images and spacing of the paragraphs but in my inexperience couldn't get it to a point I was happy with.  Would it be possible to get the character images next, or at least closer, to their descriptions and get rid of the huge whitespace at the bottom of the section? It's not terribly important, just something to make the article look nicer. Frozen North. 11:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's fine at my resolution. Maybe your text size is too small to even it out? Nique talk 15:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I guess it *is* all in the text size, thanks for the reply.Frozen North. 21:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Formatting