Talk:Saber (Fate/stay night)

message: When did Morgan Le Fay/Bedivere bring Arthur to avalon? Infact, how did Morgan get into the picture at all? Ive never heard of her even mentioned in any telling about saber's story before now actually. Can someone with the game confirm that this actually occured? As far as i can tell Arthur dies then is brought by the lady of the lake to Avalon, but this only occurs AFTER she goes back to her own time and chooses not to re-do the selection of the king. The article has it listed that she is already in Avalon before making the pact with the world. -- Question2
:From what I could see Avalon was not a literal place but a state of mind or ideals that you could connect to, a source of power and determination and protection and stuff. Bedivere moves Arturia to the place she asks him to, which is maybe near the lake? I know Mordred is featured but I don't recall Morgan being referenced. It is possible that this happens in the game as I've only seen the anime. Also it is 'Fey' I think, reference to fairies. She's probably a Caster class. Tyciol (talk) 14:42, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Morgan Le Fay

message: I added in information about Excalibur's sheath.  If you think this shouldn't belong here as it is a very big spoiler, please edit to your discretion. Mirioki 15:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Avalon

message: King Arthur had ginger hair, why doesn't Saber?
Worth a mention? Bowen 20:37, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While English legend does believe he had long red hair, Arthur is most likely an amalgam of several different people in history(if he even existed, of course). Plus he's been portrayed having the entire spectrum of hair colors in various media, and even "historical" tales sometimes have different hair than red. While it's an interesting bit of trivia, I don't think it's really that important in the long run. If a trivia section for Saber gets made, go ahead and include it though. The article is small enough it won't be a problem, and who knows? Someone might like to know that while Saber is blonde, Arthur was rumored to be ginger. I can't imagine Saber with red hair though, personally. Nezu 20:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hair Colour

message: I deleted the Celas and Guinevere mentions in the article.
There is no mention of the Celas surname in Fate (and it is confirmed that Arthuria is the daughter of Uther Pendragon). Also, Arthuria cannot be the base for the legend of Guinevere because she actually exists in that era, going by the mentions of her in hollow ataraxia and the background history of Saber in the Fate status menu.
--Abahg32 19:43, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought so... Thanks for the confirmation! Mirioki 22:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Celas

message: Just a thought but, how about changing Saber’s image to this one? I think it fits a bit more with her usual aura. In reality, I was thinking about this one but the Excalibur/Caliburn/Whichever is showing and I'm not certain if that would be a problem. Ephyon 21:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the first picture because it parallels the Dark Saber pic very nicely. Mirioki 02:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

text: You may think I have a personal grudge against that image or something, but once again, how about replacing the Saber using Excalibur pic to this? I know it’s an extremely technical detail, but the current one is actually Invisible Air’s wind blast being released, Excalibur’s light is always golden. Ephyon 23:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think it's sorta both Excalibur and Invisible Air at the same time... But you're right, it's not really her using Excalibur, it's more like she's charging up mana for using Excalibur... while Invisible Air goes all windy. Mirioki 00:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I was actually going to replace the picture myself, so I guess I have my work cut out for me. Thanks. Terek 07:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: What is with the "alignment" row in the table? Since when does anything aside from D&D have an alignment system like that? Also, we need a lot of citations in here, not just for the alignment weirdness. -Unsigned
Alignment comes straight from the rest of the character stats section (which seems to have been cut from every character description again). It seems pointless to include ranks for attacks when you don't have the stats to baseline them against anymore. Can the anime fans please stop deleting everything just because they haven't played the game? kthx 99.243.161.188 (talk) 12:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Alignment

message: While some of the servants seem to have skills that are described (for instance, see Rider and her "Riding" skill description), Saber, Gilgamesh and a few other Servants don't appear to have their skills described. In Saber's case, this refers to Instinct, Charisma, Riding, Magic Resistance and Mana Burst. -Drium
:I can provide the translation by Mirror Moon from the game here (only Instinct and Mana Burst/Mana Energy Release), but it should probably be adapted to Wikipedia and cited properly (TypeMoon, translation by MirrorMoon):
*Instinct: A The ability to "feel" the best course for oneself during combat. This heightened sixth sense is now close to precognition. It reduces by half any obstacles to vision and hearing.
*Mana Energy Release: A This transfers magical energy into one's weapon and body, and by releasing the magicacl enegry instantaneously, it increases one's ability.  Simply said, it is like magical energy jet propulsion. Saber uses this magical energy for her sword techniques, guarding, and movement.  Because of her great magical energy capacity, she can fight Berseker even though she is a girl of a small size. A normal weapon without strong divine protection will not be able to endure her magical energy-fueled attack and will be destroyed wtih one blow.
:I haven't played the game long enough to get the rest... yet. jdstroy 06:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stats? Skills?

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thread_title: Fair use

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message: Is there any material to proof it？  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.62.138.73 (talk) 09:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question, also I wonder what year this was in, and what year she loses Avalon. For all we know centuries could have passed between these dates. Since she doesn't age, it could explain how she could lose touch with knights and her people and how they could begin to hate or fear her, thinking she's witch or inhuman for never aging or having children (like the Highlander). This kind of disocciation is also present in the Bleach filler arc with the Bount. Tyciol (talk) 15:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Saber’s Birthdate is July 7?

message: In his transformed state, Gilgamesh is wearing Golden Armour. Similarly in mythology, you have Mordred wearing golden armour. You can see depictions of this in Excalibur and also in Justice League Unlimite when he transforms into an adult. I think this is sort of a reference. Gilgamesh sort of takes on this aspect of Mordred, even though Mordred still exists as a character in Fate. The parables in their relationship do go a bit further, like how Gilgamesh tries to rape Saber, might be compared to how Morgana rapes Arthur in Excalibur or how Uther rapes Igraine. Mordred's heart gets corrupted by Morgana's sorcery, whereas Gilgamesh drinks the ooze to keep himself alive and (might be) corrupted. Tyciol (talk) 15:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gilgamesh and Mordred: Golden enemies

message: Yes, I know this is a visual novel, but still doesn't this article sounds kind of like too much of a guide? -- クラウド６６８ 17:13, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not so much a guide as a spoiler, really. Tyciol (talk) 05:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Game guide?

message: Does anyone have any kind of source for the "talents" portion of the Servant Status section? These seem like weird things for Saber to be talented in, and I've personally never heard of them outside this article. 0seveN (talk) 23:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gymnastics? Gambling? 

message: This article badly needs to be rewritten from the ground up so that it doesn't sound
1. In-universe
2. Completely forcused on F/sn and ignoring F/z
3. Like a fanboy's musings rather than an informative, neutral article
I have done what I can for now, but it still needs a lot of work.
Overmage (talk) 01:38, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fate/zero content 

message: Hey Are You sure Saber and Shirou are Capcom Protagonists? Cause, they we technically created by Type-Moon and only happen to be in games that were co-created by Capcom.175.143.251.55 (talk) 13:30, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capcom Protagonist status 

message: So it appears we have too many translations of Saber's true name to the point the prose mentions three versions. A name needs to be consistent but if Saber's name is mistranslated in an official English release, then it is also worth mention.Tintor2 (talk) 21:17, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you stick with the official name and mention the other translations. However, you should also consider what name sources usually use, per WP:COMMONNAME. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 05:54, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saber's true name 

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message: Connection to Gray mentioned in The Case Files of Lord El-Melloi II light novel. Will find the page number. Hcobb (talk) 17:56, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to act the reference in book format once adding the information per guidelines.Tintor2 (talk) 17:58, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gray 

message: "Some critics, however, have expressed their dislike of Saber's lack of character development and relevance in other routes adapted by anime series. Her characterization in Zero, and her lack of screen-time in other anime adaptations was also met with negative response. Nevertheless, Saber has been popular within the Fate series and anime in general."
This doesn't feel right. I only see two criticisms for her role in Zero (Source no. 89 and 95). Other reviewers have praised her relationship with the characters and her fight scenes. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the lead?
Also, source no. 95:
"Fandom Post also said Saber is one of the weakest characters from this story due to her lack of skills and motivations, which the other characters mock to the surprise of former viewers of the Fate franchise."
This is...inaccurate? This is what they said:
"With Gilgamesh as a king, we even get a great episode where it’s essentially him and two of the other kings of the past sitting together and talking about the ways of rulership. Each is instrumental in understanding that character and how they approach life as it reveals so much through the little bits of off dialogue throughout. And to the surprise of many, depending on how you view the conversations, Saber really comes out the weakest of them. Of course, that may partially be my enjoyment of how Alexander views life and rulership."
They just said that Saber had the weakest view/ways about rulership. They didn't say anything about her being mocked by the others or her being one of the weakest character of the story. And here's what they said in their review for the second season:
"We get a far more personal fight between Saber and Berserker, finally finding out who it is under that mask which brings up some painful history for Saber that is really good to watch. What I like in particular is that it does take away from the idea that Saber is the one that will end things, something those that watched Fate/Stay Night knew wouldn’t happen, since she was painted as the right and true type here. She has a harsh reckoning here and seeing her back in the time between realizing the pain she caused, and suffered herself, while getting a glimmer of the future definitely hits all the right sweet spots."
They actually praised her role, shouldn't we mention it? https://www.fandompost.com/2014/01/20/fatezero-limited-edition-blu-ray-box-set-2-anime-review/
Honestly, the reception is poorly written because it does not exactly explain what they reviewers are discussing. No offense to the person who wrote the reception but I feel they have misread what the reviewers are actually writing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.128.87.226 (talk) 01:20, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception problem