Talk:Drag (percussion)

message: In 4/4 time, the following note values apply:
* 4 notes per measure:  quarter notes
* 8 notes per measure:  eighth notes
* 12 notes per measure: twelth notes (aka eighth note triplets)
* 24 notes per measure: twenty-fourth notes (aka sixteenth note triplets)
* 32 notes per measure: thirty-second notes (twice as fast as sixteenths)
* 48 notes per measure: fourty-eighth notes (twice as fast as twenty-fourths)
* 4,312 notes per measure: 4,312th notes (admittedly not common, but equally as valid as the others)
Brad Halls 05:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE Questions about 24th and 48th Notes 

message: I've always refered to drags as ruffs, are they the same thing?Nathan Wonnacott 23:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ruff

message: I'm not sure that there is a universally accepted answer to this question, but I'll take a shot. My issue with ruffs has always been a) undefined height (i.e. both notes written as grace notes, which seems impractical to me for rebounded strokes) and b) undefined spacing (what is the spacing between the notes in a ruff anyway)? So, I never use the term "ruff" in my teaching.
Brad Halls 03:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What I've always heard, and what I've always been taught, is that a drag has two grace notes, and a ruff has three. In other words, as you increase the number of grace notes from one, you have flam, drag, ruff, five-stroke rolls, six-stroke rolls, etc. Evan Seeds  (talk) 06:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See, I don't agree with the most recent addition to the article, about the difference between drags and ruffs. My definition is still the one above. While the PAS does not define a ruff, its definition of a drag, as seen here (no. 31) is certainly grace notes. Vic firth, on the other hand, defines the drag and the ruff to be the same thing, BUT STILL GRACE NOTES. Also, the only source I found that differentiated the two, says drags are grace notes a la (llR or rrL) and ruffs (or fours stroke rolls) are grace notes a la (rlrL or lrlR). Given this, not only do I disagree with the way the article differentiates drags and ruffs, but I don't agree with the definition of the drag AT ALL. It isn't similar to a diddle, except in the fact that the grace notes in the drag are indeed diddled. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 21:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the feedback. As I mention in the article text, "There is some debate amoung percussionists about the difference between drags and ruffs". It seems that is the case! :-) In the same PAS rudiment page that you reference, #30 (flam drags) and #35 (single dragadiddles) are clearly written as 32nd notes. In fact, the dragadiddle example shows the drags as accented, so those cannot be grace notes. What can you conclude from all of this? Probably nothing definitive. I think the best you can say is that the subject is open for debate. Brad Halls (talk) 18:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ruffs vs. Drags 

message: There's a discussion open about moving a full rewrite of Rudiment, combining all smaller rudiments, into mainspace and redirecting all the smaller article to rudiment going on now at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Percussion#Rudiment_rewrite --Evan ¤ Seeds 04:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rudiment rewrite