Talk:Ógra Shinn Féin

message: I am changing the ideology from democratic socialism to just socialism, as per Ógra Shinn Féin constitution and Sinn Féin constitution, democratic socialism has become a muddied term and is often conflated with social democracy, it is a minor but important change.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.37.168.206 (talk) 12:15, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Ideology

message: I'll try and sort it out later. One Night In Hackney303 20:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm really, really not sure what to do with this. I'm not convinced the youth wing is notable enough for its own article, as its aims and objectives are the same as the main party. If I trim out all the advertising type blurbs, then all that's going to be left is a basic stub with no real purpose. I'm tending to think a brief mention that Sinn Féin has a youth wing in the main article might be best, so redirect this page to SF? One Night In Hackney303 09:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep - There seems to be no encyclopedic content - redirect by all means Weggie 16:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats not what you said about Young Unionists!--Vintagekits 20:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

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replies: text: What or where does this COI come from and who are you refering to.?.--padraig 13:59, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

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message: please. W. Frank talk ✉  22:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And what is wrong with the Date. ? also try being more civil in your edit summaries, there is no team.--padraig 23:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably wrong and definitely unsourced. W. Frank talk ✉  00:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I always thought it was 1982 myself but I may be wrong on that, and why would the date need to be sourced.--padraig 00:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything needs to be sourced that is not obvious common knowledge on our project - otherwise it can be peremptorily removed. (Probably not by me, though. You should have realised by now that I'm a bit of an inclusionist). W. Frank talk ✉  00:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason I believe they formed in 1982 is that many of the founding members where involved in 'Youth against the H-Blocks' which where involved with the National H-block/Armagh Committee groups around the country in organising protests during the hunger strikes, unless 1983 was the formal launch date of Ogra arising from informal meetings held during 1982.--padraig 00:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fix the dates in the infobox

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Ogralogo.jpg

message: Hi, I have an interest in Irish Youth Politics (specifically republican and unionist) and have added some stuff to this article. I have a copy of the OSF Revolutionary Handbook at home which describes structures and the OSF constitution. I hope that is an okay source for this article. There is no online copy of the book but if anybody needs to check for verifiability I can send you a scan of the section you require. I also included some notable incidents which I feel lets you get a feel for the organisation, I think this would be a welcome edition to the other youth groups in NI as well.
(PS I removed the tag asking for more sources as I added quite a few) :) --Baldeadly (talk) 03:19, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: This page is a mess, most of the sources are either from ÓSF, an phoblacht or indymedia, which are hardly neutral. I suggest a major cleanup involving removing all information that doesn't have neutral sources. Thoughts? Féasógach (talk) 11:56, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Support Féasógach as unreliable or biased sources are not allowed per WP:BLP and WP:SOURCE. Also, why rv Mairia Cahill? She was a member of SFRY, no? Are we whitewashing here? Reporting a validly or well-sourced accusation or allegation is not the same as supporting or confirming it. Quis separabit? 16:30, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Restored that part. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 18:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The continued removal of Mairia Cahill is bs and needs to stop. Quis separabit? 21:05, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Possibly we should look for page protection? BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 16:55, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: People are deliberately putting in links that with sources that nowhere state that Cahill was an organiser, the ref remaining is the only one source that states she was but that was a piece by Eilis O Hanlon in the Sunday Independent (notoriously anti-SF). Are there any reliable sources other than a politically compromised journalist's opinion? Tyrsóg (talk) 19:47, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

text: I also expanded on the Cahill section and included reliable sources to include both sides for the sake of balance, I agree with the blog removal, I wrongly assumed at first glance it wasn't, I instead added a news source with a statement from the person's solictors. Should not be a problem now. Tyrsóg (talk) 21:56, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The links are not there to assert that Cahill was a member, they are there to establish her notability.  The Irish Independent and Sunday Independent are major national newspapers and are most definitely reliable sources. Please stop removing references. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:48, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Major cleanup required

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message: Looking at Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael's youth organisations Wikipage's, they lack an ideology section. Ógra Shinn Féin's ideology is apparently the same as the mother party, so is there a need to have an ideology section at all? In fact I argue it makes more sense for Young Fine Gael to have an ideology section than Ógra Shinn Féin as it is autonomous and allowed to form its own policies and objectives. We should remove Ogra Shinn Féin's ideology section to make it more in line with the aforementioned parties. If it is decided yes, then I also believe it should be reflected on the An Phoblacht Wikipage. Thoughts? B. M. L. Peters (talk) 23:15, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see an ideology section. Do you mean the ideology field in the infobox? I think that's useful and harmless, it's justOa couple of lines. MarioGom (talk) 18:59, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes! Ideology field in the infobox. It is harmless, but I'd recommend removing it to keep the youth org in the same standing as other Irish political parties youth orgs (Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and Labour. Greens have a ideology field but it is based on the youth parties different internal policies from the mother party so proves necessary. It might be worth adding a ideology field to the youth Fine Gael infobox as it is autonomous from the mother party, and allowed to form it's own objectives and ideologies as well. But for Ógra Shinn Féin, is it really necessary since the youth party and mother party have the same ideology? I suggest removing it simply to set it on equal footing as the other main parties in the country, minus the Greens, and possibly in the future Fine Gael. B. M. L. Peters (talk) 21:41, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You could add the ideology field to other articles. It is informative and helps the reader identifying the ideology without going to a related article. This is a common practice with many youth wings of political parties: Australian Young Greens, Socialist Youth Austria, Civil Forum, Movement of Young Socialists, Dimitrov Communist Youth Union... In most cases, the field is the same as the mother party, while in some rare cases it is different. MarioGom (talk) 07:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I think that might be the best way going forward. I'll do some research, develope + source ideology fields for the remaining named parties! B. M. L. Peters (talk) 21:48, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello again, just bringing it back one more time! I am proposing a change, the ideology of the youth party is different from the mother party according to Ogra's website. Where we have listed "Irish republicanism", "Democratic socialism", and "Left-wing nationalism", I would change to what Ogra's website states about themselves, "5 key 'principles": Republicanism, Socialism, Feminism, Environmentalism, and Internationalism. Would it be proper to replace previously listed ideologies with what they state about themself? I am assuming there current ideology was dragged over from the mother parties page.
Source: https://republicanyouth.org/education
B. M. L. Peters (talk) 02:51, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideology section necessary?