Talk:Seventh-day Adventist Church/Archive 5

message: What is the part of the introduction that is clearly not NPOV? Ansell 00:14, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SectNPOV tag on intro 

message: Wikipedia is not meant to provide a way for adventists to feel like they are a community by directing them to forums that they can use. Removing directory link again until a consensus is reached on this. Ansell 00:14, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DMOZ forum links 

message: I don't see why there should be more than one screenful of links, which is how many are currently there. I tried to remove the least notable links, however, there may be others that can be put back in or still more that can be taken out if they are sufficiently notable. I think that having an equal number of links pointing out issues in the church, and links rebutting the sites which point out the issues is a good idea. It is as close to the NPOV that is desired for wikipedia as we will be able to get. After trawling through the section in response to the sectNPOV accusation which doesn't seem to be formally discussed here, I didn't see why the tag still needed to be there, so I removed it. Ansell 00:42, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how Good News Unlimited is an opposing church position. MyNameIsNotBob 00:57, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to rearrange, large changes wont be perfect. Maybe we need to figure out an acceptable structure that wont be prone to bloat like the one I replaced was. There was a different category for everything you could possibly want to see and I didn't see a way to keep the total number under control with such a system. Ansell 01:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total length of External links section 

message: At the risk of inflaming things again, may I ask why there is an NPOV tag on this article? As a neutral observer I see nothing egregiously unbalanced about this article. Can we get rid of some of those tags, or am I being too optimistic? --Rhombus 01:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the tag primarily due to lack of explanation as to its existence. The article remains poorly referenced however. MyNameIsNotBob 01:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the NPOV dispute? 

message: Here are some links I have removed from the main page for a variety of reasons in an attempt to make the external links more manageable.  They are placed here mainly to keep track of what links where there.
* Pacific Press Publishing Association
* Review & Herald 
* AdventistBookCenter.com
Moved to Independent ministries of the Seventh-day Adventist Church
Non-official ministries and entities
* ASI Ministries Adventist-Layman's Services and Industries
* General Youth Conference Annual youth conference
* The Prophecy Code (Net 2005) 2005 evangelism program hosted by Pastor Doug Bachelor
* Amazing Facts 
* TruthAboutDeath.com 
* The Quiet Hour 
* AdventistPulpit website
Moved to Criticism of the Seventh-day Adventist Church
Sites opposed to Seventh-day Adventism
* Former Adventist Fellowship 	 
* Life Assurance Ministries 	 
* The Ellen White Research Project 	 
* Truth or Fables	 
* SDA Outreach.org
* Catholic.com article on Seventh-day Adventism
* Good News Unlimited  not on criticism, but on GNU article
* Mission Catalyst 
* Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church
Sites addressing anti-Adventist claims or intra-Adventist issues
* SDA Outreach.com - Rebuttal of SDA Outreach.org
* GreatControversy.org
* Pickle Publishing - A critique of the Jeremiah Films Video: Seventh-day Adventism - The Spirit Behind the Church
Not sure what to do with these
Church Corruption Related links
* The Merikay McLeod Silver Case 
* Adventist Leadership in Nazi Germany
* Organizational Practices
* The German Adventist compromise with the Nazi regime 
Cheers -Fermion 07:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

message: I've moved this from the main page, because I don't think these statements really fit at the opening of the "doctrine" section. Any ideas? Where would statements like this be more suitable? Tonicthebrown 11:16, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anabaptist tradition & present truth

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Persapicious recently deleted the CSDA (Creation Seventh Day Adventist) link from this article and vandalized the main CSDA article, but I want to clear up that the CSDA Church does have several members (there are around 100 overseas in Africa). Eugene (Persapicious) loathes the CSDA group because they preach against the SDA Church (not to mention Eugene's talked to some of the CSDAs and doesn't like them). 
:Is 100 members really notable enough for a mention in the main article. There have to be more notable organisations that have split off. The main article is not the place to put every congregation which have ever split from the church, it outlines the major splits. If you have evidence to show that the split is not just a small scale thing, having a few members overseas doesn't seem to be enough here, then bring the evidence and we can decide whether it fits or not. Ansell Review my progress! 00:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These observations have been updated at http://www.everythingimportant.org/Walter_McGill --E.Shubee 16:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church 

message: Why? It was fascinating to read, the prose is really good. The only thing that it misses in my opinion is inline citations (and I mean a bunch of them) to reach FA status because it is near it. Lincher 03:35, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Promoted to GA

message: Is this true?  "They believe that Protestants and Catholics will unite to enforce Sunday legislation, and that those who observe Sunday will receive the mark of the beast. They believe that violaters of this law will be given the death penalty." Adambiswanger1 19:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know myself. I havn't seen evidence of someone saying that. It is highly possible however that Ellen G. White said something like that but I would not know where to look. We are planning a big drive very soon to reference the article majorly, so after that we can be more justified in removing non-referenced material like that. Ansell 00:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, you will hear it taught in prophecy seminars, in Sabbath school lessons, and from the pulpit.  I think though, you will hear Adventist scholars present a more cautious approach which expresses ideas similar to what you believe. -Fermion 01:04, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quick question

message: People who edit this article may be interested in Accusations against Adventist Hospitals and Criticism of adventist hospitals. --Fang Aili  talk 17:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. It may have been left undiscovered for a while due to its lack of categorisation and lack of wikilinks to the topics it is describing. Ansell 07:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adventist hospital articles 

message: I have commented out the criticisms section as it was being edited in an unproductive manner, leading to an increasingly POV result. I suggest a summary of Criticism of the Seventh-day Adventist Church be made, making use of the references used there. MyNameIsNotBob 13:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Having an empty section does not help. I uncommented it and will hopefully be able to watch it to see if it develops, will try to get references from the main article as it is relatively well referenced. Ansell 07:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms