Talk:List of systems engineers

message: I suspect we have entries here that are consultants that may be self promoting.  Please: do not self-nominate to this list, see INCOSE instead.  This list is meant to inform newcomers to the field of notable SEs (with a national or international rep.) that have either notably published a book, etc., or were SE leads on major/significant system efforts. 
Last edit will soon be reverted unless the author (4.249.6.126) establishes a Wiki login account, and certifies that this is not a self-promotion. 
Cask05 18:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional rules of engagement 

message: In my opinion, this list should consist of notable systems engineers. That excludes most of the consultants and other people who had added themselves to the list. I don't personally think that just being a professor of SE is particularly notable (there are lots of professors in the world). However, if a professor of SE has done something notable (such as authoring  one or more texts on SE, or won an SE award) then they're worth including. --Allan McInnes (talk) 02:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do agree that this list should be restrickted. I wish however that this list shows the best people in the field of Systems Engineering: Old and young, proven and promissing, man and femal, technical and eductional, scientific and managers... even if this means some emancipation here and there. For every person mentioned an article should be writen (soner or later). This list is the face of systems engineering. - Mdd 00:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was not suggesting any kind of restriction or discrimination based on gender, race, professional area, or experience. The only criteria I care about is notability. Since the Wikipedia guidelines on biographies explicitly state that articles should only be written about people who meet the notability criteria, and you eventually want to have articles about everyone on the list, then only notable people should be included in the list. --Allan McInnes (talk) 03:13, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This list should consist of...? 

message: About the missing citations and footnotes tag? Wikipedia has 10 list of engineers, and only 1 list has 1 footnote and non have the tag. In Holland we have the expression (translated) that you don't have to be hollier then the pope. Why do we have to have every tinny bit secured? - Mdd 01:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the tags should be added to all of those other articles. It's not a question of being "holier than the pope". It's a question of complying with Wikipedia policy, and ensuring that the articles related to SE are of good quality. --Allan McInnes (talk) 17:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm afraid that internal Wikipedia links are not generally considered a sufficient source for factual statements (WP:CITE specifically says Note: Other Wikipedia articles may not be used as sources.). Citations are supposed to be to reliable third-party resources. If the INCOSE article provides a reference for the list of past-presidents, it should be easy enough to transfer that information over to this article. If people in the list are redlinked, then IMHO their notability is debatable, and certainly requires some kind of supporting citation in order for them to remain in the list. --Allan McInnes (talk) 02:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The ''missing citations and footnotes'' tag 

message: Some of the red links here are obviously people about whom articles can be written, based on the material given. I have removed the others. If anyone wants to  add them back, great, but include some information showing why.DGG (talk) 23:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we should remove al the people with red links from the listing. Put theme in a list of nominees here on the talk-page. This will maybe stimulate editors to actually write articles about the people listed. - Mdd 22:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red links

message: * Rudolf Emil Kalman (1930) is an American-Hungarian mathematical system theorist, who is an electrical engineer by training.
:The reason is that, according to Hjpospie, Kalman was an excellent mathematician but no system engineer. - Mdd (talk) 21:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In Wikipedia Kalman is categorizes as a systems engineer zo I will putt him back -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 20:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This scientist and its characteristics (MAP Systems) are not yet in the Wikipedia. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 20:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further people removed 

message: I just removed the following section:
::(Kitaw Ejigu) (1948-2006) was African-American NASA's chief Space and Satellite Systems engineer and research scientist for Rockwell International and Boing Company which is a leading American aircraft and aerospace manufacturer. He collaborated with other scientists to creat space shuttle and rockets that assisted in planetary science research and exploration for planet earth. Among his geatest achievements while in NASA and Beoing are his innovative creations of the Global Positioning System or GPS and a revolutionary and dynamic flight simulator for the Boing company. 
This article is not the place to start an article about Kitaw Ejigu. If this person is considered notable enough, a inidividual article should first be started. Afterwards the person can be listed here. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 14:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I made a mistake here. There is all ready an article about Kitaw Ejigu, I will make the correction and readded the person to the list. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 19:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kitaw Ejigu removed 

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-- Mdd (talk) 19:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy-paste registration