Talk:The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (novel)/Archive 5

message: Time to lay down the grammar hammer =). This article still needs a whole lot of work but I made a dent in the grammar and word usage. 
Japanese translation woes:
* There's *way too many words*
* Use of semicolons when the sentence needs to be rearranged —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay (talk • contribs) 08:22, 28 July 2006 UTC.
:Copyedits? While I may admit that there is a lot of Japanese terms unexplained in the context of the article, most of them were put in there from the information given by the anime and it's not like they were copied from an article or website like the template you provided suggests.
:Plus, some of the edits you made made me wonder a little. First, you changed 'first year' and 'second year' which pertain to Japanese schools to 'freshman' and 'sophmore' which pertain to American schools. This story is told in Japan, so a fair amount of Japanese terms must be used accordingly. -- (十八|talk) 09:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You misunderstand what a copyedit is. See Wikipedia:How to copy-edit. Copy-editing involves the improvement of grammar and punctuation, and the correction of misspellings. Copy-editing extends to rephrasing to improve tone, style and cohesion and texture. The term copy-editing comes from organizations that deal with printed media; it is loosely applied here. --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 10:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, you win on the sophomore/freshman stuff. The grammar of this article is still appalling, and major copyedits will need to be done to improve this article. --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 10:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I've changed it to a regular copyedit tag since this article isn't a rough translation of the Japanese article. --TheFarix (Talk) 15:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyedits

message: I don't understand this section of the article at all. It is the least clear section of this article.  
This section of the article has been cleaned up for GRAMMAR ONLY, and it needs somebody else to go over it a second time for grammar again because I'm sure I missed a few errors. This section is very unclear about what "nonphysical data" is, how humans "seek and obtain" nonphysical data, and why Yuki Nagato becomes a member of the team because of the "necessary silent character" requirement. --SayWhatYouMeanAndMeanWhatYouSay 19:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Integrated Data Entity

message: Alright, so the article is now at 37 KB, so would it be possible in any way to split the article again? The first thing I thought was split the characters section, since it seems the most logical option if the split were to take place. -- (十八|talk) 08:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest 37 KB doesn't seem large enough to split, really. -- Ned Scott 08:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, but it has been growing steadily for the past few weeks now, and I'm just giving a heads up on a possible split in the future. -- (十八|talk) 09:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an size warning when one goes into edit.  I agree that characters would be the best page to split off.  I guess it just depends how much smaller the page would be if we split it off. FleetAdmiralJ 14:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to rush it, as it doesn't have 436 petabytes of data yet.  But on a more serious note, the article should just be monitored if it gets bigger for now, since I don't think it's growing alarmingly fast.  --Wirbelwind 03:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The character section is also largely duplicated on the Suzumiya Haruhi (series) page.  Merging one into the other, or splitting both onto a new page is probably good idea.  BlckKnght 00:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with that since they are both redundant of each other and having them in one place would be simpler for viewing. -- (十八|talk) 00:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: If it gets too large, the characters section can be split into a section of its own, with a summary left on the main page, similar to Fullmetal Alchemist and Main characters of Fullmetal Alchemist for example, and then linked from both, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya and the Suzumiya Haruhi (series) page. Ganryuu 06:32, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I think splits are mostly needed when a section gets too large, not the article itself. As long as everything stays balanced, articles can usually get pretty large without much of a problem. As it is though, the character section really dominates the article; I think it should probably be split. --SeizureDog 23:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still 37kB after a month, so I don't really see a reason to yet.  It might go down if we cut down on the number of genres you people are putting it under though =D  j/k --Wirbelwind 00:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And also to once again bring up the prospect of merging the characters section from this article and the Suzumiya Haruhi (series) article together due to redundancy. -- (十八|talk) 01:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article size

message: What's "philosophical, postmodern, psychological" in The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya?
:The thought that God might not know she's God. -Iopq 03:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It covers Existentialism pretty strongly. 172.206.199.192 02:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly makes me start to ponder that kind of thing (i.e. if God might do that if she doesn't know she's God, what would she do if she did know?) .... —Yar Kramer 14:52, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philosophical? 

message: Call me crazy,but I believe that Kyon,who has lost his sense of wonder,is stuck with Haruhi,who retains hers. R.G. 04:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Underlying theme? 

message: Could this be used as a source for the setting portion and moved from the external links into the references/notes section? I think it feels more like reference material for the setting than it fits with the other links in EL. Kyaa the Catlord 08:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Stalking Haruhi site

message: Something on this article is causing firefox 1.5.0.7 to incorrectly render a lot of whitespace and/or garbage at the top of the page.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carterhawk (talk • contribs) .
Ive removed the offending infobox until this issue is resolved.






Carterhawk 07:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This really isn't Wikipedia's problem. If you're having trouble with that browser, use a different browser. -- (十八|talk) 07:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This isn't occuring on mine and I'm using the same version of Firefox. Kyaa the Catlord 08:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not seeing any rendering issues in Firefox 1.5.0.7, IE7RC, Lolifox 0.2.5r26 or Mozilla 1.8a4. What resolution are you using, can you take a screen shot of the problem and have you tried disabling all plugins? Shiroi Hane 21:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I dont have this trouble with other articles, at least none that i have seen.
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9600/badpagesk5.png
This image shows a snapshot of my firefox, at 1600x1200. I had to set the text size to the very lowest to get everything to show up within the browser window.
Please note how small the horizantal scroll bar is, the page appears to be extremely wide. I can move an entire screen's width to the right, and the bar does not move.
Carterhawk 03:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well.. that's not normal. Have you conpletely cleared your browser cache in case you've got some screwed up CSS cached? Shiroi Hane 16:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rendering issues