Talk:Ford Island

message: *Ford Island was host to an annual "Hydrofest" where hydroplanes raced around the harbor.
*Hollywood actor William Joseph Hill grew up on Ford Island with his family. His father William Joseph Hill Sr. was a Captain in the U.S. Navy.
*Damage to structures on Ford Island during the Pearl Harbor attack was surprisingly minimal.  A bomb landed (probably by mistake) in the courtyard of the medical building, and windows in some buildings were shattered by the force of explosions on ships.
*Amelia Earhart crashed on takeoff from Luke Field during her first attempt at flying around the world.
This was removed from the article. Viriditas (talk) 14:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I understand the word "trivia" is not encyclopedic, actually some of those facts are quite applicable to Ford Island.  I lived there in 1991 and I remember the magnitude of those Hydrofoil races being held in the bay.  They were a really big deal drawing national networks and thousands of visitors -- at the time at least, the island was completely closed to civilians, except on those days.  The other facts are also interesting.  Ford Island conjures up a sense of history -- should we lose it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.74.195.77 (talk) 17:44, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: The article states that the Missouri was called back into service due to the Gulf War (I).  I had a chance to serve on the Missouri when making duty station choices in March 1990, six months before the Gulf War and a lot more than that if you consider that the Missouri was already in service when I was choosing orders.  I don't believe the Missouri was called up because of Gulf I.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.74.195.77 (talk) 17:53, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible wrong info about USS Missouri 

message: In the section "Army Air Service", there appears the following sentence:
: During the 1930s, the island's size was increased from 334 acres (135 ha) to 331 acres (134 ha) by using landfill from the dredging of Pearl Harbor.
Now I'll admit that it's been a few decades since my Elementary School arithmetic classes, but I believe 334 is larger than 331. Are the numbers reversed? Was the area of Ford island actually decreased? Or maybe the second number should be larger than either 331 or 334. (Sorry, I don't have any books on either Ford Island or Pearl harbor, so I can't fix this problem myself.) -- llywrch (talk) 16:02, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops.  I had it right in the infobox, but yeah, that was a typo.--v/r - TP 16:45, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Increased size? 

message: Sources for later: .--v/r - TP 21:55, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Need this later: http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC19011226.2.32# http://books.google.com/books?id=enlQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA131&lpg=PA131&dq=Oahu+Sugar+Company+%22Ii+Estate%22&source=bl&ots=WqzYrIT2JA&sig=IfaJABnJ7tWjjcmhxFmhQayuUDw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dhCNU_zyGozaoAT-qIKYDg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Oahu%20Sugar%20Company%20%22Ii%20Estate%22&f=false --v/r - TP 00:14, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: With the wide availability of scholarly literature about the attack on Pearl Harbor, why are we citing web pages from the Naval History & Heritage Command? (cf FA criteria 1c, "Claims are verifiable against high-quality reliable sources and are supported by inline citations where appropriate", emphasis mine) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 09:37, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll hit up the library this weekend and improve the sourcing for that section.--v/r - TP 17:22, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing? 

message: In "Army Air Service" section, VP-8 was arrived in island in 1933. However, VP-8 was established in 1942. and  "History of Naval Air Station, Navy Number 128" P.4 was wrote "In 1933, the first PB2Y2's were flown here by VP-10", but at that time PB2Y2 was not rounded out. Would you verify this sentence? --Otenkiya (talk) 01:44, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In this source, page 11, "In 1933 VP-8 had also joined the other patrol squadrons based on this station in operational duties."  This source was written in 1945 and is as close to the event as we're probably going to get.  If VP-8 was created in 1942, don't you think this 1945 document would have been aware of that?--v/r - TP 20:46, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this source, the "Second VP-8" was commissioned as VP-201 in 1942 and became VP-8 in 1948 - 3 years after the above document was published.  Clearly, the 1945 document is referring to a squadron that doesn't follow this lineage.  Googling more...--v/r - TP 20:52, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this source, page 64, the 1942 squadron was "Redesignated Patrol Squadron EIGHT (VP-8) on 1 September 1948, the second squadron to be assigned the VP-8 designation."--v/r - TP 20:54, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Found the First VP-8.  Page 113 (or document page 10): .  The First VP-8 was established in 1929 and became the Third VP-20.  But in 1933, it was VP-8F, and became VP-8 in 1937.  Could you please remove the maintenance tag now that this is resolved?--v/r - TP 20:59, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK. I have understood the problem of VP-8 completely. Verification will be removed in appreciation of your cooperation and correction of the link. Thanks everybady. --Otenkiya (talk) 03:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add "Verify source" for VP-8 

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message: I'm not sure if it's just me, but the Hawaiian people are respected very little— they used to have a monarchy, a language, and islands to themselves, but now they're just a the US's exotic beaches... On the other hand, Moku'ume'ume is more linguistically informative as to where the location is, so why not use it? LeonhardEuler27 (talk) 02:43, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: On a personal level, I would support this. However, Wikipedia's guidelines on naming articles puts a lot of weight on using the article subject's most commonly recognized name. In this case, the use of the name "Ford Island" is overwhelmingly dominant, so I think this would be a hard bar to overcome. There's a growing movement within Hawaii to encourage the use of indigenous place names, so perhaps this will change one day in the future. Aoi (青い) (talk) 03:58, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh thanks! I'm new so I'm happy to learn the policy! I totally agree with you then. LeonhardEuler27 (talk) 16:40, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: When I was researching this article, I spoke to the Bishop Museum, and specifically their oral history ...eh...department?  Anyway, they had informed me that Moke'ume'ume carried negative connotations and they preferred it not be mentioned at all.  Their concern was that "white people" (or Christian missionaries) already had a habit of judging and misrepresenting what happened on the island as a sex ritual.  They would've preferred it all not be mentioned at all.  I did my best to represent it not as some demonic sex ritual but as a event that built families.  So, I'm not sure we'd be doing native Hawaiians any favors by renaming it.--v/r - TP 09:41, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it Eurocentric to title this article Ford Island as opposed to the native Mokuʻumeʻume?