Talk:Sviatoslav Richter

message: Thanks to whoever wrote this, it's a good entry. Just one query - do you (or anybody else) know the first name of this Neumann chap who taught Richter and also taught Horowitz? We'll probably eventually have entries on more than one person called Neumann, so it'll be useful to know his first name. I'll be able to look it up this week sometime, but in the meantime, it'd be good if you could add it to the article if you know it. --Camembert
:(later - now it's been added) Thanks! As usual, my "later this week" turned into "some time in the next century" ;-) --Camembert
PS that was Neuhaus of course, not Neumann!
Apparently, it was "Heinrich".
http://www.neuhaus.it/english/
Ed (talk) 23:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: First name of Neuhaus

message: Is it really true that Richter and Dorliac married in 1946? I have heard otherwise, so that's why I mention it here.
: Says so on the sleeve notes to my CD (http://www.pluto.no/KulturSpeilet/faste/cd/Pianists_Richter.html is the one). What did you hear? William M. Connolley 21:42, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd trust sleevenotes over something quoted on the internet from the Telegraph. Without something a bit more definitive I can't see any great reason to doubt it. Unless... that article also says he was homosexual... is that what you mean? William M. Connolley 23:56, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How could a marriage be performed after Richter's death?  There's no such thing as a retrospective marriage.  --  JackofOz 12:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wife

message: I removed a reference to Pierre Fournier until I find some evidence that these two performed together. Lpgeffen 21:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A. Tanin's "Recorded Richter" shows that SR and Fournier played together in 1969, but it's not enough to match Oistrakh or Rostropovich. Lpgeffen 16:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Fournier is also listed as a performance partner in Monsaingeon's book. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 38.117.232.33 (talk) 01:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pierre Fournier

message: I removed the sentence "They did not marry because Richter was homosexual." because it is conjecture.  Richter did not explain why he wasn't married.  As far as I know, his biographers didn't ask him.  I don't dispute that Richter was homosexual.  This is widely rumored but I am reluctant to treat is as a fact, especially in this context, as it was never asserted by Richter himself.  But I would be happy to discuss it further. Lpgeffen 15:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd already asked the user (1st edit) to add more on sources here. Pavel Vozenilek 17:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I know this is an old post, but to John of Wood Green I would just say WHAAAAT??? Gillartsny (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Homosexual

message: I removed the following paragraph from the article. It needs more sources, at least.
:One of the well kept "secrets" of Sviatoslav Richter's life was that he was almost certainly a homosexual . His relationship with partner Nina Dorliac was obviously a close friendship, but it is acknowledged by scholars of Richter that the relationship existed primarily to protect him from Soviet society at the time. Richter is on record in Bruno Monsaigeon's movie The Enigma as having said he was followed constantly while on tour in the states by watchful Soviets. It is openly acknowledged by Richter that he was in a constant state of panic because government agents followed him everywhere. This fear was almost certainly partially derived from the fact that the "policy" towards homosexuality in Russia at the time was highly toxic. Even Nikolai Zverev, the finest teacher in Moscow, was notorious for his homosexuality. The Axiom in Russia was, "Everything in private, nothing in public ." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lpgeffen (talk • contribs) 19:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Karlinsky mentioned is "Karlinsky, Simon: 1989: Russia's gay literature and culture: the impact of the October Revolution."--Wormsie 11:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Simon Karlinsky is a world-renowned scholar of Russian literature. "This Karlinsky" indeed!!
208.87.248.162 (talk) 00:06, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Also, it's not vandalism. People find a source and they use it - also, Richter's homosexuality is widely rumored, and it has appeared as a fact in print press as well (unfortunately I don't have access to any at the moment in this modern age). I find it strange that when somebody tries to add a mention about a person's homosexuality to an article, people immediately consider it as libel. BTW, the article was right about Eisenstein at least.--Wormsie 11:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: And your point is? Countchoc (talk) 23:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder to what extent it may be common among musicians (particularly of homosexual orientation) to call a musician they admire a "flaming fag" as Nabokov did.  This ambiguous off-hand remark by Nabokov (not the writer) would not seem to establish any facts.  Tkuvho (talk) 09:24, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality 

message: I have been told this story by a couple of French people from Tours (Grange de Meslay is near Tours) whom I met once while travelling in Helsinki but I don't know if it is true.
The organisers of the Grange de Meslay festival hired a superb grand Stanway piano for the first festival.  Richter liked it so much that he took its reference number and the next year he asked them to hire the same one.  A few years went like that.  Then the organisers of the festival were advised that this piano was to be sold.  They gathered with difficulty the huge amount of money needed to buy it, wanting to make Richter a surprise for the next festival.  When the time came to hire the Steinway again Richter let them know that he had now switched to Yamaha and that he wished them to hire a Yamaha piano for the next festival.
Wikip 10:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grange de Meslay Festival 

message: Does anybody have a good image to upload for this article? (I have one, but can't find the copyright status) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  23:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: I love Richter as much as the next piano enthusiast, but this is unsourced.  We don't find language nearly as enthusiastic regarding Gilels, either.
:The link which is explicitly cited inline says that "Sviatoslav Richter was arguably the greatest pianist of the twentieth century.".  See . Grover cleveland 19:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, the phrase "widely recognized as one of the great pianists of the 20th century" is praise enough but some writers have gone further.  It is also clear that Richter inspires passionate and even fanatical enthusiasm in some of his listeners.  If we take out the "arguably the greatest" part then someone will feel compelled to reinstate it.  I would prefer to keep the discussion here and not risk an edit war. -- Paul 23:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree, Good-Music-Guide is not a reputable (nor widely-recognized) sorce to quote in the opening paragraph. There is too much emphasis put on "greatness" in the opening paragraph. The very statement "greatest of all" begs questioning.  Unless someone else feels the need to rate pianists on a "greatness" scale from 1 to 10, then I'll remove it for now   Gordon Freeman 21:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Edits on this subject continue to appear with alarming frequency, always followed by reversions thereof. Isn't there a way to put an end to this senseless editing ping-pong ? MUSIKVEREIN 17:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Then isn't it necessary to remove the exaggerated 'myth' from the article? It's still there :P I thought it'd've been already removed. Alicenoemi 23:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Greatest Pianist of all Time?

message: What is going on with all the pointless revisions to this page?  The quality of this article has descended to the point that it's becoming a joke.THD3 19:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the article is now a joke. The wilful omission of any reference to Richter playing at Stalin's funeral (about which he talks extensively in Monsaingeon's documentary) is particularly grotesque. L'omo del batocio 09:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV edits

message: For some strange reason, the chapter "Played Bach's Fugue at Stalin's Funeral ?" has disappeared from the page. If you go to "edit this page" everything is still there, but for some reason it doesn't show on the page itself. Can anybody please explain what happened here ? MUSIKVEREIN 14:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chapter disappearance

message: I am adding  Bruno Monsaingeon's superb inteview-documentary to the references. In my opinion it's a must-see for anyone interested in Richter and in music in the Soviet Union. L'omo del batocio 08:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Monsaingeon' documentary

message: Footnote 6 quotes a 1963 letter from Vladimir Nabokov to Igor Stravinsky about, among other things, Schubert and Bach. This seems strange to me; not only do I recall an interview with Nabokov from the seventies in which he said that he didn't know Stravinsky personally, but he also often mentioned that he didn't much care for or know about music. Could it be that this is a mistake and that the letter was written by his cousin, Nicolas Nabokov (who was a composer and on good terms with Stravinsky)?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.171.56.13 (talk) 15:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are absolutely correct, the letter was from Nicolas Nabokov.  My bad.  I rechecked the source this morning.  I will correct this once the lock on the article is lifted.THD3 (talk) 14:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vladimir Nabokov? 

message: How come there is so much censorship on wiki? Was that the point of it? 
So people could read texts that apply to the taste of a few?
And whats wrong with the citation of Morrison in the first paragraph? And it is OK to spill idiotic "legendary" phrases of praise 
for Horowitz. Wikipedia has gone down to drain if it's up to people like MUSIKVEREIN and THD3 to decide and censor material.
I guess you have national preference to Horowitz, you must be American or more likely Jewish, or perhaps both.
Just have in mind that this flagrant disruption of the idea of wiki, is standing in the way of truth. Cause Wiki is a public encyclopedia and you are placing your judgment and yourself (in a sort of an ego trip), above the views of the public. You undo changes and mark them as vandalism when they are not according to your personal, insignificant opinion. This is not your private endeavor. You do not have the right to act in such manner.
People like you give Wikipedia a bad name it nowadays bear.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.250.43.136 (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: User:87.250.43.136's allegations are simply ridiculous (except that his user is American).  There are few articles at Wikipedia that are more laudatory than the Richter article.  There is only one negative critical opinion (Cardus' "provincial" remark) while there are reams of praise.  Richter received quite a few negative reviews during his initial US tour, notably from Harold C. Schonberg, chief critic of the New York Times.  That User:87.250.43.136 fails to aknowledge this, in addition to the crude and inappropriate remarks on his own talk page, is evidence of his own bias and lack of perspective.THD3 (talk) 11:12, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  About excessive unjustified censorship 

message: This is a most intelligent, warm-hearted, well-balanced, and informative article (other than the embarrassingly dumb trivia list at the end). It's very rare that a brief bio in a reference book or website gives you the feeling that you really know the person, especially when you knew nothing at all about him before. This is what makes the article is politically very powerful too - yet subtly and tastefully (perhaps unconsciously and unintentionally) political. The tales of R's free village concerts suggest that the Soviet system, appallingly oppressive as it was, paradoxically nurtured both authentic communist (small c) values, and strong individuality (personality, originality, initiative). The way R's sexuality was handled ended up being neither tabloid nor evasive, neither proselytizing nor smearing, just straightforward and unapologetically humane. Believe it or not, this elderly homophobe was refusing to even listen to (allegedly) gay pianists less than an hour before he virtually fell in love with Mr. Richter. He'd been on YouTube, comparing performances of his favorite music (Waldstein Rondo). Emil Gilels was easily the best (Richter wasn't there), so he came here to read up on him. He saw Gilels' link to Richter, whose playing had amazed and moved him the few times he heard it. He then came over to the discussion page just to see how such a magnificent article had come into being, and was immediately reminded of the joke about sausages and legislation - you may admire the end product, but you don't want to see how it's made. The proof is in the pudding. As D.H. Lawrence, wrote, "if love goes into into the pudding, good is the pudding." Great job, everyone! Chelydra (talk) 08:17, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  After a long, messy, painful birthing, time to be happy, proud and relaxed! 

message: The warning tag for the trivia list has been on this article since 2007.  The list needs to be sifted through, irrelevant information discarded, and relevant information integrated into the article.THD3 (talk) 20:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia list

message: I am deleting Richter's quote about Andre Gavrilov per WP:BLP.  Further, it's not relevant to the article.THD3 (talk) 20:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Andre Gavrilov

message: I don't think the article mentions much about Richter's defining characteristic: his imposing style of performance, and at times, extremely clear, bell-like tone (because he keeps his fingers as distant from the keys as possible). Anyone wish to add that, or is this POV华钢琴49 (TALK) 00:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richter's performance character 

message: In the article, it says that Richter's performance with Oistrach at Alice Tully Hall was interupted by demonstrators against the Soviet Union. I was at that concert, and I believe it was in Carnegie Hall, and not Alice Tully. Two such famous artists could have sold out Carnegie easily. They wouldn't have appeared in the much smaller Alice Tully Hall, with all due respect.----  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.199.253 (talk) 22:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  last concerts in the US 

message: I have requested a rollback of the various vandalistic edits by User:75.142.59.48.  Considering the intermittent problems this article has had with vandalism, it might be warranted to semi-protect it.THD3 (talk) 13:04, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This article has a persistent issue with anon user(s) deleting the cited material about Richter's sexuality. All the IP addresses are traced back to Greece which leads me to suspect this is, in fact, the same user editing from various locations.MisterCSharp (talk) 13:30, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi-protection

message: Do some of the quotes need to be moved to Wikiquote? George8211 (talk | contribs) 21:14, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: Under the Later years segment, after detailing his death, it says "he suffered from a depressed state of mind caused by his inability to perform in public." Why was he no longer able to perform? Was it health, money, because he was depressed, why? I think adding a bit of an explanation would help. Coinmanj (talk) 03:21, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: His inability to play in public in the last couple of years of his life was caused by an alteration in his perception of pitch. Monsaignon He had absolute pitch, but with age his hearing deteriorated to the point that he perceived pitch a whole tone higher, effectively forcing him to transpose in his head — it would be rather like a life long expert typist who suddenly has a whole keyboard shifted one key to the left. Accuracy becomes impossible.  The great Spanish pianist Alicia deLarrocha also had this problem and had to retire a few years before her death.Gillartsny (talk) 12:51, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Later years-inability to play 

message: The article says "It is said that in his last years Richter contemplated giving concerts free of charge (although he never actually did so)." This is definitely wrong, at least if "free of charge" means that the auditory had nothing to pay. I attended two of his concerts in the 1980s in Freiburg (Germany) which were definitely free of charge for the auditory. We had to be there several hours in advanced to get one of the best seats. It was one of the rare occasions I as a student without money could a great musician from that close by. At that time I heard from musicians who knew the concert management personally that his condition for playing was that admission was free for the auditory. As far as I know the concerts was broadcasted live, however, and I guess he was well payed for it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.115.138.240 (talk) 13:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerts free of charge 

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message: "His father, Teofil Danilovich Richter (1872–1941), was a German expatriate pianist.." Yet, in the documentary "Richter l'Insoumis", Richter says that his father was "German, but born and raised in [what later became the Soviet Union]" (I forget whether he said "Russia" or "Ukraine"). This is not the meaning of "expatriate" in English. Feketekave (talk) 14:07, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
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message: Please be cognizant that nationality (the nation in which one lives) and ethnicity (one's genetic heritage) are not the same thing.  In Wikipedia Manual of Style it clearly states ethnicity should not be emphasized unless it is vital to the subject's life.THD3 (talk) 13:10, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
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