Talk:Firestone Tire and Rubber Company/Archive 2

message: IMHO there should be a dedicated racing section, just like the Bridgestone article has. The Firestone brand was very important in American racing (and somewhat important in EU), and still is in the USA, to some extent.  - Fairness & Accuracy For All 06:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, The Goodyear and Michellin pages have one too. There are several dedictaed wiki articles already that cover the different Firestone racing codes Firestone Indy 200, Firestone Indy 225, and Firestone Indy 400 plus a multitude of history about Harvey Firestone and his invlovement with the Indy car Series.  Mobile 01Talk 22:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not a 'code'. Thats the name of the race because Firestone is the sponsor, and the number of miles. Another one is named the 'Peak Antifreeze Indy 300' for instance. - Fairness & Accuracy For All 00:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OH!, shows how much I know about Racing in the USA. I thought they were racing codes. We have different racing codes here in Australia which use numbers. These relate to the size of the engines. Sorry, My Bad. Mobile 01Talk 04:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just found a whole page on Firestone's racing history. FS racing - Fairness & Accuracy For All 07:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Firestone and racing

message: As time desire permits, I will make a Firestone/Bridgestone template. This way everything about the company can be in one convenient place. Similar to: Template:Colombia conflict one of the many templates I created. Travb (talk) 12:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Firestone/Bridgestone template

message: Struck items are items which probably are unnecessary for the article, and can be removed. 
Items in yellow are new added items, which need more background.
PLEASE only change the "modified" version, not the orginal version.  I will revert any changes to the original version.  Travb (talk) 14:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe "Bridgestone won its first F1 world championship in only its second season as Mika Hakkinen captured the driver's title in 1998. His team, McLaren, won the constructor's championship." should be readded, as winning their first F1 Championship would eb a milestone, perhaps if its needed to be cut down, remove that it was its "second season." or who won it possibly, but it seems it would be an important piece of history for the company. --NuclearZer0 13:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed this information because F1 has nothing to do with Firestone. Only Bridgestone Tyres are used in F1 and these are all manufactured by Bridgestone Japan. This information can be added to the Bridgestone article if it's not already there. Formula 1 racing contracts for tyre use are between Fifa and Bridgestone Corporation Japan and do not include any of it's subsidiaries which includes Firestone both in USA and Europe.  Mobile 01Talk 06:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline workshop

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| 1868
| Harvey S. Firestone is born on a farm near Columbiana, Ohio.
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|1895
| Firestone marries Idabelle Smith.
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|1900
|Firestone incorporates The Firestone Tire & Rubber Company in Ohio. The company begins selling tires manufactured by others.
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|1903
|The first set of rubber tires is manufactured at the Firestone factory in Akron, Ohio.
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| 1904
| The company develops the first mechanically fastened, straight-sided pneumatic tire.
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| 1906
|In its first original equipment sale, Harvey S. Firestone sells 2,000 sets of tires to Henry Ford. This is the largest order of tires for the time.
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| 1907
|The company develops the "demountable rim" making the repair and replacement of tires easier.
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|1908
|Firestone introduces the first non-skid tire.
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|1909
|Firestone begins manufacturing tire rims.
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|1910
|Firestone profits exceed $1 million for the first time.
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|1911
|The inaugural Indianapolis 500 is won on Firestone tires by Ray Harroun.
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|1918
|Firestone begins the pioneering "Ship by Truck" movement.
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|1919
|The Firestone Tire & Rubber Company of Canada is organized.
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|1920
|The company perfectscreates a method of insulating tire cords against internal heat by a process known as "gum-dipping."
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|1922
|The company develops the industry's first low-pressure balloon tire.
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|1926
|Firestone initiates the now popular one-stop service store program.
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|1928
|The company establishes its first overseas tire plant in Brentford, England. Firestone is voted as one of nine "Pioneers of American Industry ."  The "Voice of Firestone" radio program debuts.
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|1932
|The company develops the first low-pressure tractor tire and starts the "Put the Farm on Rubber" campaign.
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|1936
|The Firestone Industrial Products plant is established in Noblesville, Ind.
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|1938
|Harvey S. Firestone dies in his sleep at his home in Miami Beach, Fla.
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|1939
|The company begins producing tank tracks, airplane fuel cells, gas masks and other military items for the defense program.
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|1940
|The company begins developing and producing special tires for combat vehicles. The company's first synthetic rubber plant begins production.
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|1942
|The company develops the divided rim for military use. Possibly the first run flat tire, an extra metal band on the rim acts as a support to enable tires to run 100 miles or more after deflation.
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|1945
|The Firestone Research building is dedicated in Akron, Ohio.
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|1948
|Firestone tires win the 25th Indianapolis 500 in a row.
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|1949
|The first NASCAR race (in Charlotte, N.C.) is won on Firestone tires by Jim Roper. The "Voice of Firestone" radio program is simulcast on television.
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|1950
|The Firestone Tire & Rubber Company celebrates its 50th anniversary and dedicates a life-size Harvey Firestone Memorial.
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|1951 
|The company begins producing the Corporal guided missile for the U.S. government.
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|1953
|The company introduces the Firestone "500" all-nylon tubeless tire designed for high speed passenger cars. The company does $1 billion in business for the first time.
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|1954
|For the first time, the "Voice of Firestone" is telecast in color. The company introduces the tubeless tire for tractors and airplanes.
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|1957
|div style="background:#FFFF00"| The company dedicates a 7.7 mile test track in Fort Stockton, Texas. The track is used to test tires under a variety of wet and dry conditions.
Firestone develops a high-speed race tire to withstand speeds of 190 miles per hour for the first running of the International 500-mile race at Monza, Italy.  
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|1961
|div style="background:#FFFF00"| Firestones acquires the Dayton Tire division from the Dayco Corporation.    
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|1963
|The final "Voice of Firestone" television program airs.
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|1964
|The company introduces its first radial tire to the North American market.
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|1965
|Art Arfons sets a land speed record of 576.55 mph on Firestone tires. The company introduces the "Super Sports Wide Oval" tire. This effort pioneered the concept of wide low-profile tires which continues today for high-performance cars.
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|1968
|Graham Hill becomes the first driver to win the FIA Formula One championship on Firestone tires.
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|1971
|The company develops the first American-made steel belted radial tire.  The company develops the "liquid molded cast tire." It never becomes a commercial success because of the market dominance of the steel-belted radial tire.
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|1972
|Ray Elder produces the 568th Firestone win in NASCAR when he takes the checkered flag at Riverside Raceway, June 18, driving a Dodge Charger.
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|1972
|div style="background:#FFFF00"| Robertson memo regarding The 500: "We are making an inferior quality radial tire which will subject us to belt-edge separation at high mileage" 
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|1973
|Harvey S. Firestone, Sr. is inducted into the Automobile Hall of Fame. Harvey S. Firestone, Jr., eldest son of the company founder, dies at age 75.
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|1974
|The company announces the Steel Radial 500 ACT (advanced concept tire) providing run flat capability at speeds up to 40 mph.
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|1979
|Firestone introduces the temporary-spare, which allows more trunk space and reduces fuel consumption by reducing tire weight.
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|1983
|Bridgestone Corporation establishes its first U.S. production facility by purchasing a Firestone plant in Tennessee.
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|1987
|Corporate headquarters moves from Akron to Chicago.
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|1988 
|div style="background:#FFFF00"| Bridgestone Corporation purchases The Firestone Tire & Rubber Company, including its global operations.
The Bridgestone Blizzak winter tire was introduced to the Firestone Range of products. 
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|1990
|Corporate headquarters moves from Chicago to Akron. The U.S. operations of The Firestone Tire & Rubber Company are consolidated as Bridgestone/Firestone, Inc.
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|1991
|Firestone becomes the official tire of the Indy Lights Championship series. The BIGFOOT Monster Truck Racing program names Firestone as its official tire.
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|1992
|Corporate headquarters moves from Akron to Nashville.
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|1993
|Bridgestone/Firestone, Inc. announces its return to Indy car racing 
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| 1994
| Bridgestone/Firestone's Warren County plant is the first U.S. tire plant to meet the ISO 9000 quality standard.  Bridgestone/Firestone Off Road Tire Company is formed.
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| 1995
|div style="background:#FFFF00"|  Firestone "the legend" returns to CART (Championship Auto Racing Teams) competition with Firestone Firehawk tires, taking two checkered flags.
Firestone Tires were re-introduced to Indy 500 and in 1997 Arie Luyendyk won his second Indy 500. The win was Firestone's 50th at the Indy 500.
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|1996
| The Indianapolis 500 is won for the 49th time on Firestone tires by Buddy Lazier. Bridgestone/Firestone introduces UNI-T® technology in the U.S., which enhances a tire's grip on wet surfaces without sacrificing the life of the tire.
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|1997
| Arie Luyendyk wins the Indianapolis 500 on Firestone tires. This is the 50th time the race is won on Firestone tires, more often than all other tire manufacturers combined.
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|1998
|div style="background:#FFFF00"|  Bridgestone/Firestone announced its newest technology, UNI-T AQ (Advanced Quality). This technology helps tires perform better, even in a worn condition.. Bridgestone/Firestone introduces UNI-T AQ™ technology in the U.S. Bridgestone/Firestone announces its Dayton brand will become the official tire for the Indy Lights Championship. Bridgestone won its first F1 world championship in only its second season as Mika Hakkinen captured the driver's title in 1998. His team, McLaren, won the constructor's championship.</S> 
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| 1999
|div style="background:#FFFF00"|  The Firestone Racing program clinches its fourth consecutive driver's championship in CART, and its third championship in the Indy Racing League. Bridgestone/Firestone, Inc., opens its most technologically advanced tire plant in Aiken, S.C.
The Bridgestone/Racing School moved to Mosport Ontario and was renamed the Bridgestone/Firestone Racing School.
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| 2000
| Firestone celebrates its 100th anniversary.
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I made some minor changes such as removing 49th win, changing "perfected method" to "created method" and removing "now popular", hopefully this addressed some of the issues brought forth regarding promotional material. The 49th win did not seem particularly notable, the 468th doesnt either, but it states the car was a charger which may be why its notable. Other then that it was just a matter of more neutral wording. Hope this helps all, if anyone feels I made todrastic of a change let me know, not trying to step in middle, just help reach a middle ground. --NuclearZer0 15:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe "Bridgestone won its first F1 world championship in only its second season as Mika Hakkinen captured the driver's title in 1998. His team, McLaren, won the constructor's championship." should be readded, as winning their first F1 Championship would eb a milestone, perhaps if its needed to be cut down, remove that it was its "second season." or who won it possibly, but it seems it would be an important piece of history for the company. --NuclearZer0 13:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed this information because F1 has nothing to do with Firestone. Only Bridgestone Tyres are used in F1 and these are all manufactured by Bridgestone Japan. This information can be added to the Bridgestone article if it's not already there. Formula 1 racing contracts for tyre use are between Fifa and Bridgestone Corporation Japan and do not include any of it's subsidiaries which includes Firestone both in USA and Europe.  Mobile 01Talk 06:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Modified

message: For simplicity, I converted the 4 archives into one large archive, since they were all archived on the same day. If anyone here needs to refer to past discussions, it will be much easier to search through one archive instead of 4. Travb (talk) 14:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I originally had it as 1 archive but the message came up about it being too big. It's 128 long and so I dropped it into 4 by 30ish. Following the how to archive a talk page suggestion to keep pages at a reasonable size, this made it faster to load for slower connection speeds and made the contents menu smaller and easier to locate discussion. If you feel it is better as one long archive then OK. When the current page gets too long, are we going to keep adding to the archive1. At what point do you eventually create an archive2.  Mobile 01Talk 22:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can start from this point on =) That way the previous discussions are kept together, and the size doesnt get larger. --NuclearZer0 13:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive

message: Is it legitimate to say that a jingle which first ran in the 1960s "helped establish the name" of a company founded in 1900?  It's a very catchy jingle, but please! 68.53.110.123 22:32, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been discussion already on whether the jingle should even be included in the article or not and the general consensus was Keep. You can look at the archives for the discussion thread. As for the statement that it helped to establish the name, this I believe was a direct quote from the Firestone Radio show although it was never deemed required to reference this as a citation.  Mobile 01Talk 06:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jingle