Talk:Bernice Pauahi Bishop

message: Can someone please give a source to the claim that Bernice Pauahi Bishop was never entitled to the title "princess?" I can't find any sources to back this up, and I think it should be noted that the following organizations with ties to the high chiefess refer to her as a Princess:
*Bishop Museum
*Kamehameha Schools
The following also describe her as a Princess: 
*Hawaii Visitors and Convention Bureau
*Documents in the State Archives
*Some legal documents relating to the Kamehameha Schools/Bishop Estate
*and, for what he's worth, Samuel P. King and Randall W. Roth
- 青い(Aoi) 09:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, see below. Of course, the word "Princess" was not used because the royal court generally used the Hawaiian language, not English. Later in the end of the 19th-century there were a few official European-style titles and styles, but during her time it was nothing formal. Removed. W Nowicki (talk) 23:15, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Source request

message: I added some text on the 5 Dec 2006 ruling in the John Doe vs. Kamehameha Schools case.  I included a link to the CNN page inline but I think this article needs a reference section at the bottom.  There may be a better reference.  Hopefully what I did wasn't too offensive.  If they file with the Supreme Court, the article should be updated again.  
--JoelSherrill 17:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good addition, Joel, I've updated it into a reference and slightly changed the wording for NPOV. --JereKrischel 20:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, that looked like an error.  I've cleaned it up into a reference, thanks for pointing it out! --JereKrischel 04:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Court cases

message: Please lets have some reliable sources for giving Bernice any honoraria, especially in her infobox. She was not "Her Royal Highness" nor a "Crown Princess" in anything I have determined (she never ruled and was never crowned). She was a descendant of the Kamehameha line, yet she never ruled. She declined to marry Prince Lot. She also completely declined his offer of succession to him. I don't even know if we can rightfully even call her "Princess," although she is given that honorarium in some publications. So let's be more careful with our assigning of titles; even though Hawaiian descendants of royalty may have differing honoraria customs than say British royalty, certain universalities seem to adhere. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 12:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honoraria 

message: Daughter of Abner Paki's brother Kalaniulumoku and Kihamanienie (or Kaapio Kiliamanienie)
*https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65961000/mrs-kalola-a-chiefess-of-the-ancient/
*https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65961575/funeral-obsequies-for-abigail-kalola/
:*Lanihau and Kiliwehi were chief mourners indicating connection to Kuini Liliha's line
*https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65961044/obituary-for-kalola/
*https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65961331/evening-bulletin/
*https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65961208/the-hawaiian-gazette/
*https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65961248/funeral-of-abigail-kalola/
*https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65961303/kalolas-funeral-governess-lanihau/
*https://books.google.com/books?id=R_9HAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA290&dq=kalola+half-cousin&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWwfSD2-ftAhWFCjQIHV7DCoMQ6AEwAHoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=kalola%20half-cousin&f=false
*https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML1019/ML101930401.pdf
*http://hawaiiangenealogies.blogspot.com/2014/12/bernice-pauahi-bishops-documented-next.html
*Husband Luluhiwalani and son Kahekili https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65961935/in-the-matter-of-the-estate-of/
*Death of son Kahekili on 31st birthday https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65962054/death-of-kahekili-son-of-kalola-and/
KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:55, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Half-cousin Kalola (died October 23, 1886)