Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (hockey)/Archive 1

message: I have just found out that there is an exception to naming conventions, saying that Swedish names should be spelled in English in the same way as they are in Swedish. Does anybody understand why this is acceptable for Swedish and non-acceptable for names from other languages? Jan.Kamenicek 23:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Swedes (and, admittedly: I assisted them) built a good case presented at wikipedia:naming conventions (Swedish). Compare to, for example, Wikipedia:Naming policy (Czech) (which btw, I also started): in that case there's no evidence presented that diacritics are generally used for sportspeople too. See also wikipedia:naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics), intended to give some general perspective on the issue. And, of course, wikipedia:village pump (policy)/Using diacritics (or national alphabet) in the name of the article where all this was discussed at large. --Francis Schonken 09:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swedish exception 

message: I have coloured the section above to show clearly that it is a copy from another page. --Philip Baird Shearer 09:46, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Applied the same as a generic solution, tx for the idea. --Francis Schonken 09:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using diacritics (or national alphabet) in the name of the article 

message: Because this clearly does not have consensus among editors, I have amended  to the page. It is not a guideline or policy, at least not in this point in time.--Sean Black (talk) 03:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still proposed 

message: This proposal rests on an untenable assumption, that what people do is a good criterion to decide how they should be called. While that assumption may be true in a limited number of cases (mainly for monarchs and people who have multiple names), the vast majority of people are known by their personal names from birth do death, before they go to school, while they're students, hockey players, coaches, politicians, media pundits, retired criminals, or whatever becomes of them. 
There are two ways to read this proposal - (1) that the title of the article should be changed when a former hockey player becomes better known for something else, and (2) that the article title for anybody who has ever played hockey should follow this proposal, regardless of other things they do or did. Both sound like very bad ideas.
Naming conventions for personal names make sense when they need to deal with transliterations from a particular language, choice of which name to use when people have different names in different languages, or when somebody's name changes when they assume an office. None of those is the case here.
NB, although the proposal says "hockey articles", this proposal is clearly about hockey player articles. Obviously nobody thinks that i.e. a football club and a hockey club which have the same name (and are possibly two parts of the same sporting association) should be spelt differently. 
There are legitimate concerns in naming conventions for hockey articles, but they extend to formats of club and competition article titles and similar things, not general linguistic and stylistic issues like diacritics, which have no hockey-specific properties whatsoever. 
Zocky | picture popups 15:34, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will propose this to be deleted in a couple of days, or at least to tag it as failed and remove from the list of proposed naming conventions. Zocky | picture popups 15:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me, your point that there are no hockey-specific properties that need to be taken into account is especially strong. Haukur 16:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This proposal is fatally flawed