Wikipedia talk:Images/Archive 1

message: How should this page be updated to reflect Wikimedia Commons ()? Hyacinth 04:07, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Commons

message: is there a policy for biography pages in which a portrait should be the main image, and image of the person in action or with other people should be secondary? i believe this is the policy, but i cannot find it written. can someone show me where it is? Kingturtle 01:52, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  policy question 

message: Ok, I am having a problem with images. On Ranks_and_insignia_of_Starfleet, the way the images are used now is that one piece of an image is placed inside a template, then the rest of the image is completed by putting the other pieces in. Example: 14px24px24px24px24px14px becomes 14px24px24px24px24px14px. Is this helpful or hurtful to Wikipedia? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Use 

message: How do I display (not link) to images in other Wikipedia's; I'm trying to do it in the Reaction section of Anna Lindh. - RoyBoy 800 05:33, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interwiki images 

message: At Wikipedia:WikiProject Drugs we automate the insertion of images into a template. However, some images are not named systematically and therefore cannot be used in the template. Apart from uploading the image again, is there any way to rename them? JFW | T@lk 20:32, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming 

message: Could I somehow use it without downloading it and than uploading to english part of wiki????? Otherwise sound like waste of resourses.
:Download it and upload it to Wikimedia Commons. Then every language can use it. --Error 03:58, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Image from different language wiki article

message: Are there any plans to add support for image maps?  I think this would be exceedingly useful to be able to hotlink areas of a diagram to relevant articles (and anchors).  This could be done through a special map parameter like so:
 
The map tag would take three parameters.  The shape (rect, circle, poly), the coordinates, and the article to link to.
I can't see this being difficult to implement.  --Thoric 15:59, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image maps 

message: User:Rhollenton and I have been debating whether images should be put in categories along articles, now that we have Commons. --Error 03:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think generally not, but what about non-free images that can't go in Commons? ··gracefool |☺ 09:16, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If images aren't categorized then how is one supposed to know what all is available to them.  --*Kat* 07:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories for images

message: Editing boldly, I added a short section.  The subject wasn't addressed elsewhere and seemed to fit best on this article.  I incorporated coments from the talk page. Durova 11:48, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image choice and placement 

message: Can someone either tell me if this  image falls under fair use for Chef's knife, or direct me to a suitable forum where that question can be answered? I would be quite grateful. -- Chris 11:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with image sources 

message: It seems the image pages serve dual function - enlarged views and image maintenance.  I think the end-user experience could be better.  Pages that feature large images should have minimum markup at the top of page to avoid forcing the user to scroll down.  And it seems most users would want a caption right below the image, a short description of what is in the image. Rtdrury 21:39, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Functions of Image Pages 

message: Will someone please read this and respond. Someone is removeing EVERY Time magazine cover without any discussion here. The images are being deleted without any discussion. Time magazine allows use of its images if the whole cover is shown. An editor is now deleting EVERY cover of Time magazine that does not appear under the Time article. There are many images and lots of work being reversed if no one is even discussing it. Please, someone respond. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 15:47, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time magazine covers redux 

message: *Just wondering if there was a way to link images to articles rather than the image page.--Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 23:13, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking 

message: :Image:Dorantes2.jpg and :Image:Meximullet.jpg are the same pictures - how can I propose a "merge"? --Abdull 22:46, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can tag it with the :Template:Redundant image, and then make sure all the image includes are pointing to one image (the one not being tagged for deletion). --Andrew c 16:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twice the image 

message: How do I move an image uploaded to Wikipedia (or sister project) to Commons? --Stbalbach 02:23, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAQ - move image to commons? 

message: Can Flickr images with this license be use? http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/
--Dara 23:39, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not as a rule.  See Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags#Non-free_Creative_Commons_licenses.  Cheers, -- Visviva 17:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flickr images 

message: Hello, I wanna ask about Image policy in Wikipedia. Can we edit existing images uploaded from the other website (such as resizing, cropping, or other effects)? wic2020talk   bicara  01:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, provided that you cite the original source, and it is released under a free license which allows such modifications.  Remember that the derivative work is still bound by any licensing restrictions on the original.  -- Visviva 17:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing images 

message: Are Creative Commons images under non-commericl and non-derivative images allowed on Wikipedia? --D-Day I'm all ears How can I improve? 15:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not as a rule. See Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags#Non-free_Creative_Commons_licenses.  -- Visviva 17:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-commercial & non-derivative images 

message: I tried to upload my first image the other day.  It was a .bmp
Doesn't seem to be in the Image index.  I remember it gave me some message like "bmp is not a preferred format" or something to that effect.  This main page doesn't seem to really address that issue.  I assume it just threw my image away or didn't upload it or something, but it wasn't really very clear to me.  If there are certain formats that are acceptable and others that aren't, the main page should have some statement like that and list the acceptable formats.  I'd do it, but I don't know what they are. Thanks. Wjhonson 19:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: BMP files, to my understanding, end up being quite large in regards to memory, hence taking up more space and using up more bandwidth. A JPEG image would be preferrable for a photograph, and I think PNG is what's preferred for graphics.--Daveswagon 08:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image types 

message: Does anyone know how to make images from a VHS? -- 67.81.199.59 20:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably not feasible without some sort of special equipment AdamBiswanger1 19:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You would probably need to capture the video via a computer with an anolog-compatible video capture card, then export a frame from the captured video using a video editing program like Adobe Premiere. Then, ideally, run a de-interlace filter on the resulting image such as the one in Photoshop.--Daveswagon 08:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image help 

message: It seems to me that images defy all other precedents of neutrality and factual accuracy demanded of text.  This is true especially in articles of cities, where even in the poorest areas of the world slums are very rarely shown, and only the highlights of a city are granted article space.  For example, the article Ethiopia presents images of an alive and mirthful populace, without any images of the starvation or drought that run rampant there.  Also, Kolkata, which is rather well-known for its slums has as its visual representation of this sector a rather handsome image of the roof of an impoverished household, which I feel is not nearly indicative enough of the poverty going on there.  
Also, certain images go slightly overboard in their beautification of national landmarks, as in the image of the perfectly illuminated Eiffel Tower in the Paris article.
There are no images of flood-tossed cars in Bangladesh, no war in Sudan, no boring streets in St. Louis, no littered streets in New York, no bombed buildings in Baghdad, no smog in Mexico City, no welfare lines in Moscow, no overcrowding in Tokyo, no smokestacks in Warsaw, and the list goes on.  I'm beginning to get tired of all of the glamour shots.  We need to have more images that capture the essence of the entity, instead of its highlights. AdamBiswanger1 03:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think WP:NPOV can be applied to the choice of images; the problem is that the set of available images is generally quite limited.  If all we have are glamor shots, then glamor shots are the only images that will end up in the article.  I think there is a natural tendency for people to avoid uploading more "commonplace" but informative pictures; perhaps someone should write an essay to encourage a different approach.  -- Visviva 17:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Implicit POV in images

message: What happens if there's a promotional image of a show that was cancelled, so no official source can be found? --DrBat 01:53, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promotional images of cancelled shows 

message: Hello, i am a new user so i have a question gow do you put an image in an article?Please reply on my discussion page.--Stlbabe 53 16:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Putting Image In Article

message: I would like this for my user page. Mjk2357 21:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does wikipedia support clicking on an image that will take you to another website? 

message: I want to know the best way to get images from video games that I own
: Try http://images.google.com  --  Zanimum 17:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video game images 

message: I was looking at :Image:Hand_with_Reflecting_Sphere.jpg and wanted to see an older version of it.  Clicked a bit off and hit "rev" instead which reverted the image.  No "are you sure" message, no confirmation of any sort.  This is inconsistent with article reversions and I could see how someone might revert and not even realize they were doing it.  Is there a reason for the current method?  Is it difficult to change? *Sparkhead 20:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Are Reversions So Easy 

message: What's the best way to get an image from a book?
:With a scanner... but only if the image is old enough to be in the public domain. -- Visviva 03:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Under Wikipedia:Fair use, there are some cases where that is permissible.  However, these are rather limited; for the most part, fair use only applyies if the image is illustrating a discussion of the book itself.  For example, you could scan the dust jacket of a recent book in order to illustrate an article or section about that book -- although most recent dust jackets can be found online anyway, so you could dispense with the scanner. After uploading, such images should be labeled with .  -- Visviva 07:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books 

message: I was curious regarding the kind of page this is; is it a , a , a  or even ? I believe that there should be a tag at the top. --Oden 19:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems  to me. -- Visviva 05:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Type of project page 

message: Why is "what links here" different for images?  Image description pages have the "File Links" section, but the "what links here" is not the same as any other item on WP.  Is there a technical reason for this?  Is there a way to get a "what links here" page for an Image that contains the information in the file links section?  *Spark* 14:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so.  The reason is that image and media files are stored outside the database, while the image description page is stored in the database just like any other text page; in this sense the images aren't really part of the wiki at all.  The "file links" point directly to the actual image; the "whatlinkshere" links point only to the image description page.  -- Visviva 05:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Links Here 

message: Am I allowed to upload an image of a video game taken via print screen under the GDFL? -- VGF11 01:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would have to be under fair use rationale. See also: Wikipedia:Fair use & :Template:Game-screenshot. --Van helsing 09:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. Thanks. -- VGF11 23:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making an image 

message: Is it possible to create images representing logos such as the Rebel Alliance logo and the Galactic Empire logo, and release them under a free license? (see :Image:RebelAllianceLogo.png for an example). — Canderous Ordo 22:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (I changed ref to be a link and not the image).  Isn't that a copyrighted image from Lucas and friends? --*Spark* 23:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I made that image using MS-paint, and it is based on the logo of the Rebel Alliance (:image:Rebel_Alliance_logo.png, which is copyrighted by Lucas and used under the fair-use policy on en.wiki). I created the image to avoid the restriction of the fair-use policy (which has been banned on the italian wiki). What i wanted to know is: if i create a drawing from scratch modeled after a copyrighted file (in this case the Rebel Alliance logo), can that drawing be released under a free license, since it was created by me? — Canderous Ordo 23:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think if you redrew the IBM or Microsoft logo and attempted to distribute it as free license you might have a problem.  You might want to ask at Wikipedia talk:Fair use. --*Spark* 01:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I applaud your efforts... but IMO, it's a great stretch to consider something like that to be anything but a derivative work.  And unfortunately, derivative works are protected by copyright just as much as outright copies.  -- Visviva 05:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question about self-made images

message: OK, this was absoultely no help. I've got images on Wikipedia Commons I want to move into an article. How do I?  Trekphiler 06:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You should be able to link directly to the image in the usual way, i.e. .  That will include the image directly, unless there is an image on Wikipedia with the same name... -- Visviva 10:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The same as with the first image on your userpage (Apollo 11 first step), that’s a common’s picture (). --Van helsing 10:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad move?

message: :Image:Bright_Icon.svg was deleted and try as I might, I cannot find any log or history of the image.  Log shows nothing, history shows nothing.  Of course clicking on a deleted image link ( - note the link above has a colon at the front, this one does not) brings me to the upload page instead of the image page itself which I have to type in manually to get to. But that's another issue.  Why can't I see history of either revisions or deletions for this image? --*Spark* 12:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was on Commons: commons log. Mike Dillon 15:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted Images 

message: Can someone explain why non commercial images such  arent allowed on wiki (Gnevin 22:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Wikipedia must remain free for both commercian and non-commercial reuse.  The issue here is similar to fair use; while Wikipedia itself is not commercial, many downstream users are. -- Visviva 23:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Down stream ? surely wiki doesn't allow people to make a profit from our efforts (Gnevin 23:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non Commerical  

message: Why does Wikipedia allow extensions (.png, .gif, .jpg, .jpeg etc.) on images when referenced by Wikipedia pages? If you want to replace an image uploaded as a jpeg with .jpeg extension, to replace that image in situ requires that you also upload a .jpeg - otherwise you're creating a new file with a new name, and have to implement a redirect from the name with the old extension.
The web has supported content specification (the Content-Type: http header) since the beginning. What this means is that if you have say http://www.foo.com/image.jpeg, a request for http://www.foo.com/image will return that very image. (Similarly, if there's a file called bar.html, http://www.foo.com/bar will return the same as http://www.foo.com/bar.html - and you don't see .html or .shtml on Wiki pages.) Requiring filename extensions is very DOS/Unix, and can be abstracted away from in a web environment, making updating/replacing images (or editing them and changing format) much easier.
Wikipedia should imo remove all filename extensions from Wikipedia pages, and let the page references for images be independent of the format the image is in. (Yes, there'll be some initial pain if say Dog.png and Dog.jpg exist and are different images used in different contexts, as both could be called by Dog -- but this is a one-off problem, easily resolved in a cleanup of the few collisions that result.)
Lloyd Wood 15:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about image filename extensions 

message: To illustrate a television character, which is preferable: a fair use photograph, or an interpretive illustration?  --   Zanimum 17:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use vs illustration 

message: Please contribute to the centralised discussion on flag icons at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Flag icons - manual of style entry?. Please add comments over there, not here. Thanks. Carcharoth 13:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centralised discussion at MoS on flag icons 

message: Orphan Bot kindly pointed out that :Image:Leaving Rivendell cover.png didn't have the right license, so I added one based on the other pics in that series of albums. NB. I didn't upload the original picture, but can confirm that this is a picture of the front of the album in question. The one thing I haven't been able to address is the question of whether it should be a lower resolution (I think it should be). Compare all five images here:
*:Image:Tolkienensemble.jpg
*:Image:Leaving Rivendell cover.png
*:Image:At Dawn In Rivendell Albumcover.jpg
*:Image:A Night In Rivendell Albumcover.jpg
*:Image:An evening in rivendell albumcover.jpg
Any advice on how to standardise the resolutions? Carcharoth 12:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no standard or anything in place. Just use your best judgment. I agree the image should be lower res.--Jeff 14:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Thanks. I'll try to find the time to deal with it. I'll download the original, tweak to a lower-res, upload under a new name, and nominate the old one for deletion. Simply over-writing the old one feels wrong (though I know that is maybe how it should be done). Carcharoth 14:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The defacto standard is that the "Download high-resolution version" notice should not appear on "fair use" images.Geni 15:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. I agree. I hadn't seen that this "Download high-resolution version" link only appeared on two of the image description pages I linked to above. How do I get rid of it? Does it automatically appear if the uploaded version is above a certain size? Carcharoth 17:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: yes. I don't know exactly what that size is though. Geni 18:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that depends on the settings in your preferences (under Files). For most fair use images, I upload them at 250px width, since they usually won't be displayed larger in any article anyway. --Fritz S. (Talk) 14:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi-res versus low-res - fair use images 

message: How does one rename (or move) an image?  Thanks.  -- ArglebargleIV 16:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Download, re-upload under the new name, put  on the old one (and list on WP:IFD), change all links coming in on the old to the new name. --Van helsing 12:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming images 

message: I am working on trying to cleanup an article on Bully Kutta.  The bottom of the page has links to several external pictures.  I have not seen this before and cannot find policy for or against it? It seems as though it would be frowned upon or prohibited but I would like somebody a little more familiar with image policy to help out here. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 12:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don’t think Image policy applies here, they are external links, so can be treated as WP:EL describes.--Van helsing 12:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 13:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Links to external sources 

message: Hello. I have an image at the Psychology Wiki that I would like to put in the article, Tree of Knowledge System. I have permission via e-mail by the creator of the image, Gregg Henriques, to use the image on Wikipedia. Could someone instruct me as to what I need to do here exactly? EPM 15:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Need help with ToK image

message: I've posted a specific disagreement over image choice at Wikipedia talk:Taxobox usage and was hoping that members here would take a look and comment.  Depending on the outcome, I wanted to get some input from the community as to how to choose between two similar pictures with slightly different pros and cons.  This page is not helpful in setting any kind of standard. -- RM 18:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Choosing images 

message: The Philadelphia Department of Records just did an incredible thing and digitized the city's photo archives and made them available online:
http://www.phillyhistory.org/PhotoArchive/FAQ.aspx
Can I get someone to clarify the license? They're selling reprints, but it looks like they don't mind low res redistribution:
If I want to use an image found on PhillyHistory.org, to whom should I give credit?
Please find the appropriate language on the Linking Standards page. In general, the appropriate credit should be "PhillyHistory.org, a project of the Philadelphia Department of Records".''
Thanks. ccwaters 19:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like  to me... -- Visviva 16:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phillyhistory.org 

message: Hello,
I've encountered a user who has created several categories for images as analogues to categories on the Commons based on the idea that then linking those categories to the Commons makes locating images easier, even though there is far less image content on WP and so the result is many categories for a few images; they have even begun categorising Commons media that are not even used on WP (1,2,3,4) so as to populate the hierarchy of categories created (1,2). My understanding was that we were actively in the process of moving all free images to the Commons, and so it followed that if not reducing image infrastructure on WP, we shouldn't be increasing it. After an inquiry to an admin working on image categorisation that recommended that I transwiki to the Commons any images that were on WP, and which led to deletion of one of the images, this user promptly created a page for the Commons image and again categorised it on WP. According to that sort of convention, wouldn't we have every image from the Commons categorised by their WP pages on WP, thus pretty much negating the utility of separate projects? Please advise, TewfikTalk 05:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commons media categorisation