Talk:Dysthymia

message: Like the DSM itself, this article is a-historic and a-theoretic, which no serious article about mental illness should be. Depriving mental illness of its meaning doubles the problems you are dealing with. All this might be dismissed as POV, but who are you fooling by suggesting there is something as NPOV, especially when it comes to the mind and mental illness?
One concrete thing that bothers me: nowhere is mentioned that the term dysthymic disorder is originally Freud's concept of the neurosis or neurotic depression, as it was still called in DSM-I and DSM-II. The "biologication" of the DSM was going to deprive the psychoanalytically oriented psychiatrists of a label to give the patients they were treating analytically, so the dysthymic disorder was coined, basically as a barter between the new biologists and the back then still powerful psychoanalysts. You don't have to agree with the psychoanalytic viewpoint, but a subsection History that mentions its appearance in the DSM, together with some well-sourced info about it (I'm just gossiping here, I know; but I'm sure there is enough source-material out there to validate my claim) would be welcome. This article seems a good place to start: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14579202  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.58.253.56 (talk) 09:47, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: A-historic and pseudo-atheoretic

message: While a list of medications that are used for the treatment of this disorder is useful on some level, it would be helpful to also provide some empirical evidence of the effectiveness of such interventions.  Similarly, the details of why such medications are thought to be helpful to those that suffer from dysthymia could be a nice way to explore some of the neurobiological contributions of the disorder.  This might also be helpful under a new section explaining some of the brain chemistry and structures that are involved.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MDKLUC (talk • contribs) 15:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Pharmacological Interventions & Neurophysiology

message: Does anyone else believe this sentence to be out of place and irrelevant (in it's current style)?
"Some people with dysthymia experienced a major loss in childhood, such as death of a parent."
Some people with dyslexia also experienced a major loss in childhood, such as death of a parent. :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.164.100 (talk) 12:19, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Major loss in childhood; death of parent

message: Please note that while one survey did indeed show a small improvement using Saint John's Wort, several other surveys have shown no benefit at all for the consumption of Saint John's Wort. In fact, some studies show that Saint John's Wort is hazardous to the health of some individuals. --Desertphile 19:51, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have heard the same thing in regards side effects of St. Johns Wort (including excessive bleeding) - however, since it was word of mouth I am unable to reference it. Is there any place that does have this information? - Darkstar949 16:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  St. John's Wort 

message: Regardless of ciculated belief, doctors unofficially consider it part of personality disorders, and not a form of actual depression. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.121.143 (talk • contribs) 
: First, you should sign your comments, and second, I have not heard anywhere, that dysthymia is not a form of depression. Also, considering the fact that the DSM-IV-TR uses the term 'depressed' in the diagnosis criteria for dysthymia, I find your comment to be suspect at best. - Darkstar949 21:15, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the previous writer that I have also NEVER see dysthymia considered as a personality disorder as opposed to depression.  My education level is Registered Nurse with Degree.  
Notes for whoever revises this next: the link at the bottom which claims to go tot he DSM description goes to a UK-based page, and doesn't seem to say it's using the DSM description. A US-based page such as the following: http://www.psych.org/psych_pract/treatg/pg/Depression2e.book-11.cfm#table8 might be more helpful, either as an addition or instead of the other link, which while helpful might need relabeling.  Feyandstrange 03:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dysthymia is not a form of depression 

message: I've been looking at the "cyclothymia" entry which links here.  Do you know if there is dysthymia that lasts for only days or hours?
Frumpter 05:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dysthymia lasts for at least 2 years? 

message: It would make sense to shorten this article by quite a bit.  It can't be necessary to mention every possible symptom a half dozen times? --Hordaland (talk) 13:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've cleaned it up. --Formerly the IP-Address 24.22.227.53 (talk) 03:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much repetition! 

message: "Remember the risk of leaving depression untreated is far greater than the risk of treatment with an anti-depressant." sounds like an advertisement. I think you could tell the same idea in a more neutral way. (Or support it with statistics generated by independant of medical industrials sources.)
Thank you. RuFr (talk) 09:38, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language of the article does not sound scientific in this quote 

message: ... holds for this sentence: "Cognitive behavioral therapy is designed to examine and help correct faulty, self-critical thought patterns and correct the cognitive distortions that persons with mood disorders commonly experience." The wording is extremely tendentious. The first part of it could be easily reformulated as "examine and help reshape self-critical thought patterns", but I don't know how to circumvent speaking of "cognitive distortions" without sounding overly biased in another direction. -- 62.178.119.181 (talk) 18:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The very same... 

message: Under the section "Treatments" under the sub-section "Side affects of medications" it says "Some antidepressants are ineffective in patients[citation needed]." I was just worried that this could be interpreted as ALL patients. I suggest it say something like "Some antidepressants are ineffective in some patients." or something like "Sometimes antidepressants are ineffective in patients." That may make the statement more accurate. However, I don't know how often this really occurs, and if it should actually be "Most" or "Many" patients and/or antidepressants. Its all relatives (talk) 11:07, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misinterpretation possible 

message: As the poster above noted, the references for this section need a lot of work. Many of them are in the incorrect format (and I'm not sure if the original reference is even there). More scientific data would be useful. Also, there seems to be an excessive use of quotations for things which could easily be summarized: "is twice as common in women as it is in men, although this may be because women are more likely to report their symptoms". I also worry that certain sections sound like anti-depressant advertisements. --Elizard16 (talk) 02:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't stand those bright red messages about faulty refs and removed them all.  Some statements now have [citation needed], some were deleted.  There's still an excessive use of quotations; the article needs work. - Hordaland (talk) 01:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Previous versions of the symptoms section strongly associated dysthymia with bipolar disorder manic episodes. Dysthymia is not to be confused with Cyclothymia. Persons suffering from dysthymia, though there symptoms fluctuate in intensity, they do not go over to the other side of the spectrum and experience mania. I have made changes to reflected this, please see references and keep this in mind when editing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnedutsaus (talk • contribs) 03:25, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Association with bipolar false 

message: Should 'depression spectrum' at the top of the article link to Types of psychological depression, rather than another kind of depression? edit: In fact, the three-sentence-long first paragraph links indirectly to major depression three times. LieAfterLie (talk) 06:59, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depression spectrum link 

message: Disthymia is not itself a disorder, it is a symptom of Dysthymic Disorder.  Someone should appropriately edit this page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.8.218.204 (talk) 19:06, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dysthymia - is a symptom; dysthymic - is a disorder 

message: The American Psychiatric Association has not released its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders into public domain, but claims copyright. The Wikimedia Foundation has received a letter of complaint (Ticket:2010030910040817, for those with access) about the use of their diagnostic criteria in this and a number of other articles. Currently, this content is blanked pending investigation, which will last approximately one week. Please feel free to provide input at the copyright problems board listing during that time. Individuals with access to the books would be particularly welcome in helping to conduct the investigation. Assistance developing a plan to prevent misuse of the APA's material on Wikipedia projects would also be welcome. Thank you.  Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright problems with diagnostic criteria

message: I'm not sure what this means. Are they trying to say that for some patients, some antidepressants are ineffective? Surely they don't mean some antidepressants are ineffective for all patients, which begs the question of why such a thing would be called an antidepressant.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.50.199.4 (talk) 23:48, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Some antidepressants are ineffective in patients"? 

message: There is a discussion at Talk:Depression_(mood)#Youtube_external_link about adding  video as an external link to some depression-related articles. Your input is welcome. Anthony (talk) 06:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: External link to a video

message: nationalencyklopedin lists the following as possible causes for dysthymia: "excessive dependence or early loss of parents, learned helplessness, lack of tenderness or overprotection".  (swedish). i think this should be mentioned in the article, preferably with better/english-language sources.
other comments: the introduction of the current revision is a bit repetitive - it seems as if different editors added a new "dysthymia is...", while leaving the previous information untouched. also, the references section has an odd-looking entry at the bottom. k kisses 16:32, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible causes + 

message: This page has a pretty big contradiction. In the comorbidity section cyclothemia is listed as sometimes occurring alongside dysthymia but in the diagnostic section it specifically lists the absense of any cyclothemia as a criteria for diagnosis.
(Also, you may notice I stupidly erased the entire talk page for about 1 minute. Accidentally hit a key on my ipad and poof! Undid it immediately. Apologies.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.71.0.16 (talk) 01:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comorbid and diagnostic section contradict each other 

message: Note to those monitoring the article who know more about primary research on Moclobemide: Please, consider adding the citation in the next paragraph or remove the full sentence. This article are widely used by patients to know more about its illness and not sourced information must be avoided or we may disrupt their treatment.
 ..This is not the case for newer MAOIs, such as Moclobemide, which is more tolerable than SSRIs, doesn't cause sexual dysfunction and is very well tolerated, without the dietary restrictions needed for older MAOIs and thus can be considered the first line of defense in treatment of dysthymia.
--95.16.36.172 (talk) 01:23, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consider removal of the Moclobemide notes if no citation is known 

message: This sentence probably made sense when it was written, but now seems out of place:
"Serious state of chronic depression will last at least three years, with this length of recovery, it can stay balanced enough to control it from major depressive disorder."
Does anyone know what this is getting at, and if so could they fix this?  Thanks! Myoglobin (talk) 14:23, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro paragraph: sentence that doesn't make sense 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello,
I was thinking of adding in a 2000 Cochrane review. It was updated in 2015, but this was withdrawn.
My suggested changes would be to include it as follows (the 2005 meta analysis is already cited), my changes are bolded.
According to a 2000 Cochrane Review and a 2005 meta-analysis, SSRIs and TCAs may be equally effective in treating dysthymia. MAOIs may have a slight advantage over the use of other medication in treating this disorder. However, MAOIs should not necessarily be the first line of defense in the treatment of dysthymia, as they are often less tolerable than their counterparts, such as SSRIs. The use of TCAs may lead to more people stopping their medication and more side effects when compared to the other medications available.
Thanks, JenOttawa (talk) 03:16, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This would be a good addition. Patriciamoorehead (talk) 23:15, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested addition