Talk:Sudbury Valley School

message: I have reverted the recent addition to the Curriculum section seemingly claiming that the freedom allowed to students is intended to encourage creativity. The way I understand the educational model, and indeed the way the founders of SVS talk about it, the freedom is not intended to encourage anything in particular. It is intended to allow the students to develop as is right for them, without any unrequested interference. The Sudbury model does not have any kind of educational agenda in the traditional sense. The model simply expects people to take responsibility for themselves and manage themselves effectively. It is misleading to claim the model specifically espouses creativity. Michael Sappir •  (Talk) 14:58, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Encouraging creativity?

message: I added a "criticism" section, which contained a bulleted list of *two* criticisms.  Within half an hour, it was deleted.  I conclude that this article has been captured by people who are using Wikipedia to propagandize for S.V., and request that the article be locked and maintained by a neutral party.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.100.195.114 (talk) 18:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: what were the two criticisms?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.247.66.48 (talk) 15:52, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertisement 

message: I've done a bit of clean up on the article but it still needs substantial work. One area that I think needs particular help is the Judicial Committee. This pretty much dominates the section on committees, although at least at my school it is fairly unique to any other committee in that participation is mandatory and it is given much more authority. Will someone who is familiar with SVS's JC create an accurate description of their process? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Motive.Power (talk • contribs) 22:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judicial Committee 

message: ====School meeting====
Students and staff are invited to participate in the running of the school via the School Meeting, with each participant receiving one vote. The meetings are conducted using Robert's Rules of Order. The School Meetings determine rules and regulations for all aspects of the school, including finances, new rules, and the election of staff. To keep the school running smoothly, it also creates Clerks, Committees, and School Corporations.
====Clerks, committees, and corporations====
Clerks are essentially administrative officers that handle tasks within the school, such as grounds maintenance or attendance records. Committees handle larger tasks, such as school aesthetics or rules violations; the membership of the Judicial Committee is described below, but all other standing committees in the school have open membership—any School Meeting Member (staff or student) may join any committee in the first ten days of October or the first ten days of January. School Corporations are the equivalent of departments or clubs at traditional schools—all School Meeting Members (students and staff) may be members of each corporation, and each corporation elects its own directors.The Sudbury Valley School Management Manual
====The Judicial Committee====
The Judicial Committee investigates allegations of school rules violations, holds a trial, determines a verdict, and imposes a sentence (much like the current judicial system in the United States). If a sentence is appealed, the appeal is held in the weekly School Meeting. Students and staff alike may be called in front of the Judicial Committee.
====School assembly====
There is also an annually-held School Assembly, which is the broad policy-making arm of the school. It consists of staff, students, and parents of students. Its main purpose is to  approve the school budget submitted by the School Meeting. It also elects a Board of Trustees, which only exist in an advisory capacity. Its purpose is to study questions posed to it by the Assembly and report back to the Assembly when it is ready to do so.
[End of section wholly lacking third-party sourcing HrafnTalkStalk(P) 17:43, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: School institutions

message: There is also an annually-held School Assembly, which is the broad policy-making arm of the school. It consists of staff, students, and parents of students. Its main purpose is to  approve the school budget submitted by the School Meeting. It also elects a Board of Trustees, which only exist in an advisory capacity. Its purpose is to study questions posed to it by the Assembly and report back to the Assembly when it is ready to do so.
[End of section wholly lacking third-party sourcing HrafnTalkStalk(P) 17:43, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: School assembly

message: 94.230.82.164 (talk) 09:08, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope -- pretty close to none of it is third party sourced -- see all the 'Sudbury Valley School Press's in the References list. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 09:24, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Specifically, the 'Educational philosophy', 'Staff' & 'Alumni' sections are sourced solely, or almost-solely to Sudbury Valley School-affiliated sources. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 09:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Because it's pretty near impossible to get any article on a school deleted -- I saw one school article -- no sources cited in the article & none raised at AfD, still 'kept' by the AfD. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 09:49, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope -- because pretty close to none, no wikipedia article on a school, is entierly third-party sourced -- or at least most of it. If the editing of all wikipedia articles on schools was done the way you did the editing of this article, articles on schools would be emptied of important parts of these schools' core ideas. Articles would remain as stubs, as you did with this one. 94.230.81.67 (talk) 08:12, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

text: "No third party sourcing = no inclusion" is indeed the rule. The (de facto) exception only applies to AfDs, and would presumably apply to an AfD for this school. This exception does not allow such articles to grow to excessive size based solely upon school-affiliated sources. Additionally, I originally said "pretty close to none of it is third party sourced", not 'absolutely none' -- meaning that there is likely to be a small third-party sourced core left, even after the 'Sudbury Valley School Press' material is eliminated. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 10:52, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is all that is left in the article wholly third party sourced? 

message: The 'Educational philosophy' section is a list, which purports to be based upon this article (published by Sudbury Valley School itself of course -- the writers of this article don't believe in sullying their purity with third-party infidels). However I'm having a great deal of difficulty abstracting this list from this article. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Educational philosophy synthesis 

message: Pretty close to none, no wikipedia article on a school, is entierly third-party sourced -- or at least most of it. If the editing of all wikipedia articles on schools was done the way you did the editing of this article, articles on schools would be emptied of important parts of these schools' core ideas. Articles would remain as stubs, as HrafnTalkStalk(P) did with this one. 31.210.178.236 (talk) 14:17, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
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