Talk:Natural burial

message: === Proper Names and Generic Terms ===
The term “eco-cemetery” is NOT generally used to describe this type cemetery development.
“Natural Burial” is the recognised term used in Canada
 
 and in the United Kingdom 
 (where the concept began)
while “Green Burial or Memorial Nature Preserve” is the term used in the USA
Eulogy4Afriend (talk) 04:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: The term “eco-cemetery” is NOT generally used to describe this type cemetery development.
“Natural Burial” is the recognised term used in Canada
 
 and in the United Kingdom 
 (where the concept began)
while “Green Burial or Memorial Nature Preserve” is the term used in the USA
Eulogy4Afriend (talk) 04:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper Names and Generic Terms 

message: I redirected natural burial and green burial here, but not woodland cemetery since that word also has another meaning. To me it looked like the articles were identical - what difference there was, I did not check. I just changed those pages into redirects here. Merging the texts in their latest version would be kind of a waste, since they are POV-y pro-natural/ecological burial. Rewrite is needed. // habj 08:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirected 

message: Google hits for eco-cemetary, natural burial and green burial gives 600, 24,000 and 43,000 respectively. I guess green burials are carried out in an eco-cemetary. The article name should follow the most common convention and have the other terms redirect to it. Green burial does hint at a purposefully ecologically benign burial whereas natural burial can happen without conscious action for all animals over all of history. Alan Liefting 23:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: There are several mentions of various natural burial organizations that read as authoritative endorsement under the Canadian and United States sections (ie, Green Burial Counsel). Suggest moving mentions to a new section entitled Green Burial Organizations to maintain neutrality of various cemetery mentions, which still read as advertisements for the various organizations.Gaze13 (talk) 10:36, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested Move 

message: Attempted to restore netural POV
=== First paragraph ===
This discussion was moved here from talk:natural burial
The 2nd sentence in the first paragraph needs editing for grammar/readability. it currently reads "This growing modern burial practice is an environmentally responsible option that spiritually fulfilling alternative to the conventional funeral."
An acceptable reading would be "This growing modern burial practice is an environmentally responsible option that provides a spiritually fulfilling alternative to conventional burial." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alethias (talk • contribs) 18:15, 7 June 2006
I did not make the suggestion, but it would be a good idea since from the second paragraph on they are virtually identical (woodland cemetary). THe article also seems to have some POV issues such as describing the practice as "spirtually fulfilling." I have made a few changes, will still need more work.Sosobra 22:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: This discussion was moved here from talk:natural burial
The 2nd sentence in the first paragraph needs editing for grammar/readability. it currently reads "This growing modern burial practice is an environmentally responsible option that spiritually fulfilling alternative to the conventional funeral."
An acceptable reading would be "This growing modern burial practice is an environmentally responsible option that provides a spiritually fulfilling alternative to conventional burial." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alethias (talk • contribs) 18:15, 7 June 2006
I did not make the suggestion, but it would be a good idea since from the second paragraph on they are virtually identical (woodland cemetary). THe article also seems to have some POV issues such as describing the practice as "spirtually fulfilling." I have made a few changes, will still need more work.Sosobra 22:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First paragraph 

message: Can not a certain linklessness be expected, in articles on more narrow subjects? Adding links to it in all burial-related articles just because this article should have more links to it does not seem fair to me. // habj 08:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linklessness template 

message: The bio material here comprises nearly 1/2 the article, that is excessive. There should be perhaps a sentence or two for each 'founder.' I will wait a day or two for those actively developing this article to prune it or I can do it if you'd rather. Also, please leave the cleanup tag in place until this article is written in a more encyclopedic style. If you have any questions, ask here or on my talk page. Thanks!--killing sparrows 03:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excessive bio material 

message: I notice that a few editors have done much work on this article and appear to have a great interest in the topic, is it possible that one of you could upload an image of an Eco-cemetery for use in the article? I realize that the point is that it doesn't look like or use land like a traditional cemetery, but still an image could illustrate some of the points mentioned such as a central memorial notice or the small markers mentioned. Visuals would add alot to this article.--killing sparrows 03:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image request 

message: As people have said above, seems way too much like a promotional piece than an unbiased article. --209.222.210.85 19:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality dispute

message: This article is really poorly written. It's an advertisement for a very small group of US and Canadian people with a very narrow agenda that supports their consulting businesses. I'm still not sure how to fix it without wholesale burning a lot of it down. I hope an editor comes through here soon...
It would be a lot better if all the individuals' names and the names of their companies and their cemeteries were taken out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cabeal (talk • contribs) 05:58, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  this article is terribly written 

message: I removed these comments from the article space, where they were hidden in the "United Kingdom" section. I'm placing them here because they're more appropriate for the discussion page. Comments were originally placed just after the sentence "Since that date over 200 natural burial sites have been created in the UK making it one of the fastest growing environmental movements."  
This needs rewording and sourced. Although the growth of trees is of primary importance it is essential that the trees are native and not alien to the area. In addition the management of the site ought to be conducive to good environmental practice. For instance, excess mowing would preclude the growth of wildflowers and deny the groundcover necessary for small mammals and other creatures.
:I disagree that the fact that the trees are native is an essential component to natural burial. Native trees have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a body is decomposing naturally in the ground. The management of the site is a separate issue from natural burial - the management of the site is related to land management and should be covered separately, under sustainable landscape management, for example. Natural burials have taken place for thousands of years and are completely unrelated to what is done to the land on top of them.
Joyous! | Talk 13:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  hidden comments moved here 

message: It looks like we could use a new stub, or a new section, on the "where to go" concept.
People confuse the act of natural burial with the places a burial can happen, and the land management practices associated with it.
Eco-cemeteries is a made-up term by Mike Salisbury and team
Green burial grounds uses the word "green" and that is not a good descriptive term.
Woodland cemeteries" was the original term in the UK but that had to change when meadow lands began to be used - they switched to natural burial ground
"Preserves" have a particular definition in the US and many natural burial opportunities are not preserves - preserves are inaccessible to citizens in urban areas and are not typically considered cemeteries.
cemetery legislation is completely different from preserve legislation.
If there were either a new section or a stub we could separate out the burial grounds piece from the burial part but I don't know how to make a new section.
cabeal (talk) 15:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New stub/section needed? 

message: The following was cut from the "burial" wiki page (where I left enough to redirect to natural burial) but I didn't want to put it back in without some discussion. some of it is redundant and some is wrong and some belongs elsewhere.
Here's the snipped stuff... please delete if you re-insert anywhere.
With a natural burial, the body is returned to nature in a biodegradable coffin or shroud. Alternative forms of memorialisation are common
vegetation (often a memorial tree) can planted over or near the grave in place of a conventional cemetery monument. The resulting green space establishes a living memorial and forms a protected wildlife preserve.
Muslims also practice natural burial, with the deceased's body covered in shroud and with the face facing Mecca. Likewise in Orthodox Judaism, embalming is not permitted, and the coffins are constructed so that the body will be returned to the Earth as soon as possible. Such coffins are made of wood, and have no metal parts at all. Wooden pegs are used in the place of nails. Israeli custom goes further, doing without a coffin.
Natural burial grounds are also known as woodland cemeteries, eco-cemeteries, memorial nature preserves, or green burial grounds.Green Burial: The Next Step in Green Living for Baby Boomers  
cabeal (talk) 15:34, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snipped from burial and not sure where to place 

message: This article needs some major cleanup. The list of people under the "history" section are not notable and spammish, there are many advert additions. tedder (talk) 16:30, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Horribly written

message: I was re-directed here from the German 'Friedhofszwang', and the two things have nothing to do with each other. Pamour (talk) 19:57, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  re-directing 

message: I'm doing a copy edit here as part of the Guild of Copy Editors May 2012 drive, and have noted all the concerns about POV and promotion expressed above. I doubt I can remove all POV, so I'll leave the tags in place on the page for somone else to remove if they think appropriate, but I'll do what I can. In particular, the History subsections are far too much like collections of mini-BLPs, all uncited and in a very promotional tone. It's a bad idea to make this article into such a Hall of Fame, since everyone can see what it is and it's as likely to put people off as anything else. I'm trying to refocus the histories on national aspects rather than individual for-he's-a-jolly-good-fellow statements as much as possible. Hence the rather extensive deletion of uncited biographical and promotional stuff. I hope that's all right. --Stfg (talk) 14:36, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy edit, May 2012 

message: A natural burial ground should have a purpose to exist over and above just providing space as a cemetery. This ensures that the burial ground has a reason to be sustainably managed and maintained during its operation but also after it reaches capacity. Productive landscapes such as hay meadows and orchards are obvious examples but the creation of a nature reserve offers an ecological resolution both for sustainable management and the proliferation of flora and fauna. A mixed landscape such as grass and wildflower meadow, managed broadleaf woodland and aquatic areas offer traditional hay and coppiced wood production with the lake and wetland providing an even greater capacity for diverse wildlife eco-systems. The crops can offset the cost of harvesting and simultaneous management of the woodland canopy ensures the coppice cycle can continue. Traditional management techniques using working horses and grazing sheep all contribute to a functional, sustainable and low-impact management programme. <ref:http://www.clandonwood.com/index.php/the-site> 
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Further, a secure and substantial endowment should also be funded from the burial ground's income to ensure the site's financial security for its long-term future. <http://www.clandonwood.com/index.php/q-a-
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I've removed the above edit from the article.  Simon, I'm sure you have the best of intentions, but no personal attributions please - format and re-enter per WP:MOS.  Thanks, --Seduisant (talk) 01:51, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Additional information by Simon Ferrar - Jan 2015" Edit 09 Jan 2015 

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