Talk:Church of Saint Sava

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 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orjen (talk • contribs) 16:39, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hallo Puldin. I noticed this also, and have seen the floorplan of the actual building. Actually I suppose that the vaults are less than 24 m, as they've build quite massive piers which go a little further into the nave than on this old plan. For analyzing the piers it was not important to take level 0, as the piers don't narrow in vertical direction. I ve noticed also that the transepts are now wider than in this plan I've used. Mybe I do the same with the actualy executed floorplan. Depends how good the plan is. Actually I will look first in your link and than analyze the situation. Will be an interesting task. Have you calculated why the iconostasis is 23.70 m wide. It should be wall to wall. Might be that the piers of the dome take also same width. Will look someday into it. Best wishes.Orjen (talk) 17:52, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

text: p.s.  checked the link, all plans are not the one's executed. Wished you gave a high resolution plan of the executed floorplan. I've one in low resolution. Might not work than.Orjen (talk) 17:54, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the information you gave. I've analyzed this too and the only problem with the old and the new plans is, the piers became more massive. They reduce the span of the main arches. If you meassure the span of the arches between the piers on the executed plan you get a lower span than was achieved in St. Sava. So 25 m is not possible and might even not be 24 m. It is still a great span but not as large as was supposed. Please control it on this map, St. Sava is 24 m - the Cathedral has smaller spans: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/People%27s_Salvation_Cathedral_and_Church_of_Saint_Sava_-_Profiles.png. Also the constructive span of the iconostasis is 23.7 m as it is a concrete stucture from wall to wall. It leans on both sides at identical piers to those under the dome. So the span of the arches = the width of the iconostasis, which is 23,7 m. We have only indirect confirmation so. And keep in mind St Peter in Rome has main vaults under the dome of only 23 m, it this has to be a benchmark than the new build ones in Bukarest and Belgrade are bigger with maybe only Hagia Sophia with 31 m having the greates span of all contemporary and former church buildings. And there is a big difference between 23.7 and 24.15 m construction wise. They don't build with such huge tolerances, not today and not in former times. The horizontal tolerance in lifting the dome of St. Sava was 5 mm - 0,005 m. Orjen (talk) 06:32, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

text: You obviously have a point here. Only we will not know which church has the wider vaults as numbers are close. For St. Sava figure's are easy to fugure out, as the late architect Pesic published precise drawings in his 1989 publication. So I'am sure on his figures. There is also a paper in a construction journal dealing with engineering of the curch with additional confirmation. Many cathedralas are today laser-meassured - some french gothic cathedrals for instance, and Hagia Sophia also. I've seen also an engineering article on the People's Salvation cathedral which I can't find now. Your plan is not good enough to work on it, as the piers have become different shape and size. I wait for a floorplan on the executed church. Until then it is not worthwhile to go into this. Wonder were the other user got his floorplan from. Best wishes.Orjen (talk) 06:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

text: They are now more massive and reach further in the nave as was in the old plans. They build also more identical piers than were previsioned in the previous plans. We have confirmation of this from the actual and the former plan (in the gallery). The piers changed in size and in quantity, as the same piers are now in the entrance section. I've also the new plan, but in low resolution. Maybe i'll do some comparison based on this, but it is not enough for meassurements. Just for underlining changes they've done. It is not so hard to do it, as it has to have a good clear basedrawing for precise meassurements. Otherwise you spoil much working time for approximate meassures. But be free to create one of your own. I will use your size information on a possible comparison. And, I appreciate your infos a lot :).Orjen (talk) 09:19, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Now old to new plan in comparison. Note that size measures are approximative mesassures for the People's Salvation CathedralOrjen (talk) 13:19, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  some comparations - with false figures 

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replies: text: Church of Saint Sava →  – The current title, which has been in place for several years, is inaccurate. The native name, Hram Svetog Save does not translate to Church of Saint Sava, but rather to Cathedral of Saint Sava or Temple of Saint Sava. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 20:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 8 December 2021