Talk:Quebec French lexicon

message: How about these: "Paquet de Nerf" (nervous person), "calmer ses nerfs, calmer ses hormones" (To calm down) and "prendre les nerfs"? --Circeus 00:57, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember reading "petit paquet de nerfs" in a Léonard comics album a while ago. Don't know about the other ones, you would have to look in Robert (pas le petit). --Valmi ✒ 02:55, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Old discussion

message: Grouiller is certainly common usage in France, or at least has been for the past decade.  86.204.130.199 23:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Slang terms

message: It's a traditional French-Canadian dessert made of pastry and brown sugar served normally during Christmas time. Not to be confused with Pets de nonne in France.
:There are now short Wikipedia articles describing both desserts, and the differences between them. Anyone with WP:RS about them is welcome to improve the articles.  Reify-tech (talk) 15:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: "pets de sœurs"

message: That section doesn't quite belong there. Are there other who agree iot should be moved back to Quebec French?--Circeus 16:06, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I'm reworking the sociological aspects of the Quebec French main article and reorganizing some of the linguistic features sub-heading/future article. Check out my sandbox for brainstorming and current outlines. CJ Withers 03:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formality 

message: I read this line with interest:
"Statistically, though, and rather counter-intuitively, the French use more anglicisms than the Quebecois."
I agree that it certainly is counter-intuitive!  I can imagine that an analysis of official lexicons could yield such a result. But I find it hard to believe that spoken European French contains a higher frequency of anglicisms or a higher number of anglicisms.  Or maybe it's how you define slang vs. language?  I'm interested in spoken language, not what is printed in the dictionaries. I would count "le clutch" and "le wiper" and "le shock (shoque?)" as Quebec French words. I suppose if you don't count those (or any other "non-accepted" word), then the result makes sense.
Can someone give me a reference to any statistical studies?  I find the whole question fascinating. Besides I'd love to have something to refer to when my European friends "go on the attack" ;-)
If there are no statistical studies then perhaps the phrase should be reworded to be:
Rather counter-intuitively, the French use more anglicisms than the Quebecois." 
If there are statistical studies, then a clarification of how the count was done would be of interest. Is it that the French have *more* English words or use English words *more often*?
Thanks!
--MySamoanAttorney 09:34, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it's not surprising for reasons of history and geography. For Europeans, English poses less of a "threat" to regional identity, and yet is useful and common as a secondary language for international communication. European Francophones often encounter German, Dutch (and Flemish), Spanish, and even Asian visitors who will use English as a matter of convenience. When one considers that Quebec is surrounded by English provinces/states, and for Quebecois, there has been a choice of only two languages, French or English (this is a sweeping generalization, I know), it is a different situation. Regional and political identity is very closely related to language use in Quebec. Also, because the French of France is romanticized as "the mother tongue," Quebec has been hesitant to acknowledge its own unique non-Anglicized French words and slang. It may still be difficult or impossible to find a published Québécquois French dictionary offline. Up until recently, many critics have dismissed all of Quebec French as a slang "full of Anglicisms," when bemoaning the decline of "proper" French.  The reality is that many English words have been slipping into the vocabulary of France and the spoken language of Quebec has many unique words and phrases not derived from English at all.   Cuvtixo (talk) 16:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics? 

message: First off, I'm very glad that a separate article was created for Quebec French lexicon. For standardization reasons, I suggest it be named "Quebec French (vocabulary)". I'm also contributing, condensing, expanding other aspects of the Quebec French article such as the linguistic features and language sociology elements. Take a peek at some of my sandboxes if you're curious.
However, I have to get something out in the open here. What bothers me, and I truly mean bother, is that the current incarnation of this article, line after line, compares itself to France/Paris/Europe. Et quand le français québécois pour l'amour du français québécois? How about some Quebec French for its own sake? I strongly suggest, if not plead, that there be three columns (informal / standard / English) and an asterisk for what is stigmatized.  For example:
* gougounes / tongs; sandales (de sport) / flip-flops, thongs; sports sandals, Tivas (tm)
* *robineux / itinérant, sans-abri / *bum; homeless person
There is no valid or logical reason to attribute all that is standard to France (Europe, Paris, whatever). If the goal of the article is to compare Quebec lexical items with those used in France, then that's what the article should be named. See American and British English differences. A standard Quebec French does exist although we're only beginning to document it. In 2005, renowned linguist Eva-Marie Villers just put out a book on the subject.
Neither Québécois/Canadian/French, I have nothing at stake here in terms of identity politics. I honestly would love to see some neutrality (NPOV) and some more dignity. If you like, you can attribute all this to the fact that I just found out that Fortier was DUBBED into Metropolitan French. YIKES! Clearly, it's a case of selling out. In English, we never had that done for Monty Python, any BBC production or anything Australian; most Americans certainly aren't that familiar with all those differences, especially those from AUS, no matter how great they may be. Plus our target audiences are larger. CJ Withers 03:10, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Québec/France/Communauté française de la Belgique/Timbuktu/ ainsi de suite 

message: Not sure if there are errors here, or perhaps there are regional differences in France that have found adoption in Quebec? I'm English, but have lived in Provence, near the Rhone for 5 years. My experiences:
1) Under section 3, Morphology
 arachide	peanut	cacahuète
Arachide and cacahuète appear to be interchangeable in France eg peanut butter or peanut flavour. The former is certainly used when referring to peanuts in their shell, and the latter to loose wg salted peanuts, though not always exclusively. Depends on supermarket and brand.
In France navette is sometimes used for a ferryboat, and also for shuttle buses.
2) Under section 17, Other differences
Arrêt. Perhaps some confusion. This is the normal word in France for stop, bus stop etc. On stop signs only, is Stop used, as France, like the rest of Europe, has adopted the international standard on this road sign.
Bienvenue. Confusion again. As welcome in general,  Bienvenue is used everywhere in France, and on every sign welcoming you to a town, or in guide books etc. Conversely, I've never heard de rien (lit. of nothing, it's nothing) used in France in this context, and is not listed as such in my Collins/Robert English/French dictionary. As a reply, "You're welcome" eg to a thank you, de rien is used, but not bienvenue.
Être plein. I've heard this used in terms of eating many times, at least in Provence. Plein generally means full, also used in petrol (gas) stations "Fill her up", both as a question from a gas pumper or a command to one.
3) I agree with FvdP. In France (FoF)
courtyard = cour
courthouse = palais de justice (either the building itself, but occasionally meaning justice in a more general sense than just the physical building)
court = Cour (meaning the actual legal body before which you appear and which judges you - this is always capitalised as a respect for the Court's authority).
I would like to point out that at the 'Preservation of form' paragraph, it is said that espérer still means waiting. I believe it doesn't, its meaning actually is 'hoping for'. I hope I am correct.
Simon, the happy Quebecois--70.83.160.27 07:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some are the same in France - perhaps regional differences? 

message: It is appropriate, also, to include "chocolatine" as the Quebec French term for what Parisians call "pain au chocolat", observing usage in the Outaouais and Montreal.  I have never heard the term "chocolatine" in France, though the French-language Wikipedia states that the term is used south of the Loire (a region I have never visited).  French-language Wikipedia makes no statement on the usage of the term in Quebec.Sierravista uva 16:09, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Culinary terms

message: I have never heard nor seen the word atoca. Whenever I pick up a can of the stuff at Provigo, or Maxi I only see canneberges on the label besides cranberries. Peter Horn 01:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: atoca [[cranberry]] canneberge

message: --CopyToWiktionaryBot 04:25, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007-04-29 Automated pywikipediabot message 

message: Read  French Wiki the  on it. And this , and  this. The point is that the supposed English etymology of the word has been put in doubt, given the existence of equivalent characters with similar names in France and two expressions local to Quebec for "bone setter": 'ramancheux' and 'rebouteur', making the use of an anglicism highly unlikely.--Boffob 14:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, I'm a Québécois and it's not an anglicism, it's a character invented to scare the kids if they don't get to bed before 7pm. "Le bonhomme sept-heure và te manger si tu ne vas pas te coucher avant 7 heures!" (Le bonhomme sept-heure will eat you if you don't get to bed before 7h!). — Jimmy Lavoietalk December 21st, 2007 @ 5:30pm (GMT-5)
This is probably a regional "folk etymology." Sept-Heures seems to be an obvious reference to bed-time, but why "Bonhomme?" The fact that "Bone-setter" also begins with 'B,' is a good enough explanation for the average Québécois. There is another regionalism for rebouteux (bone-setter): ramancheur. I will remove Bonhomme Sept-Heurs from the chart. There is a reference to the term in the English Bogeyman article, along with the equivalents in many other languages/cultures. Curiously, many begin with 'B.'   Cuvtixo (talk) 18:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bonhomme Sept-Heures  ain't an anglicism 

message: I would propose combining the different example sections that talk about Québec French / Metropoiltain French / Parisien French etc... as they repeat the same information over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. :-]
--Mrboire (talk) 05:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combine Sections 

message: This could be the first Wikipedia article I've ever read without a single real reference. Congratulations! That's not easy to do. Just full of uncited original research. Moncrief (talk) 07:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Amazing

message: First off, let me state my displeasure when seeing the numerous examples where Wikipedia and it's contributors are helping to spread the false notion that there is such an entity as Quebec French or that the dialect is exclusive to Quebec.  Although it is a fact that there are more francophones in Quebec than any other part of Canada, CANADIAN French is spoken "a mari usque ad mare" with regional differences (even within Quebec itself), notably in the Maritimes (Acadie) just like there are differences between metropolitan and regional French in France. 
Politics, as exacerbated by the infamous deGaule utterance; "Vive le Québec libre!", have no truck in Wikipedia and the title of this article, as well as all references to "Quebec French" everywhere on the Wikis should/must be changed to "Canadian French" or "CF" for short.
That said, the list you have here is anything but exhaustive and it doesn't show much, if any, references because there is scant academic data to refer to on the subject, one of the best online sources being le Dictionnaire Québecois although it also perpetuates the notion of Quebec French as a separate entity.   Other sources, like this one, are either anecdotal, incomplete or largely inaccurate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.217.191.165 (talk) 13:41, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're serious about this, make a formal Move proposal (Wikipedia:Moving a page) and participate in the ensuing discussion. The best way to make a change in Wikipedia is not to complain about "you" editors, but to become one of "we" editors. Credibility and influence are acquired by making constructive contributions to articles; thank you for suggesting some possible reference sources. Personally, I don't have strong opinion on this at present; I've known some Anglophone and Francophone Canadians, and I enjoy the cultural insights that can be gotten from comparing language usages. Reify-tech (talk) 15:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quebec vs Canadian French 

message: I am admittedly much more of Wikipedia user and supporter than an editor. I'm only really here because I am an anglophone in Quebec who is trying to learn the local lexicon in my spare time. Having said that, listing only the bare root word without indicating its grammatical gender undermines the overall usefulness of the article. I'm still not sure how to talk about my backyard, even though I'm pretty certain that the word we would use is "cour."  Catnapster (talk) 00:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some indication of masculin or feminin would be appreciated 

message: Uh... 142.126.139.156 (talk) 04:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''"...since before the Conquest..."''