Talk:Ali Shariati

message: Forget this poppycock. There are some bloggers who cite the quote, no WP:RS by far, and it says so on Shariati's website, which is not a acceptable secondary source on anything Sartre related either. btw: Sartre was a radical twit, but not an Islamist - the quote is just the usual pious grandiloquence, popular in some places of the world, where green banners flutter and Western respect and acknowledgement direly felt absent. --tickle me 09:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FALSE Quotations II

message: "University of Paris"? I thought he was a Sorbonne graduate. Somebody please chekc.--Zereshk 09:08, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: schooling

message: Who writes that SAVAK killed him? In his biography  Ali Rahnema doesnt say anything about SAVAK killing him. In the book he writes that Mr. Shariati died of natural causes in London and he lists official death certificate and medical report which shows that this is true. There is no mention in the biography about SAVAK or anyone killing him which sounds like conspiracy theory. Khorshid 09:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SAVAK? Natural causes

message: Hello diligent workers, I am a fan of Ali Shariati's work, and wished to ask you all if you could put more information of his work on his wiki page. I have read most of the links provided by you at the end of the page (external links) but I just wanted to know, why such a famous writer/intellectuel as himself is not worth of a long and informative page filled with content related to his philosophy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc (talk • contribs) 21:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  more info on him! 

message: Deleted this sentence as misleading: 
"He became the main figure in the Iranian revolution in absence of Ayatollah Khomeini." Makes it sound like Khomeini dropped out and Shariati filled in. Of course Shariati died before the revolution and Khomeini dominated the events of the revolution. --BoogaLouie (talk) 16:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  rewriting

message: The following needs to be removed or a credible source should be supplied.
``He also had a close relationship with Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei,the current leader of Iran``
Shariati never had relations with Khameini and on top of that its an insult to his great name and philosophical works, he never collaborated with clerics (even though his father was a notable cleric himself), his idea of red shiism is in direct opposition to cleric authority. Please remove this. Its nothing short of propaganda in the name of Khameini the dictator.
SHARIATI WHEN IN MASHHAD, HAD CONTACTS WITH MANY OF THE RECOGNIZED ACTIVISTS (RELIGIOUS AND OTHERWISE) AND THEY DID SHARE THOUGHTS ON VARIOUS ISSUES. BUT THE RELATIONSHIP WAS IN THE CONTEXT OF COLLABORATION WITH SHARIATI'S FATHER, OSTAD MUHAMMAD TAGHI SHARIATI. OTHERS SUCH AS MORTEZA MOTAHARI WAS ALSO THERE DURING THIS PERIOD AND THEN WHEN SHARIATI WAS INVITED TO LECTURE AT ERSHD, INITIALLY MOTAHARI AND KHANEMEI WERE SUPPORTIVE, BUT THEN THEY CHANGED (IT IS A LONG STORY). AT ANY RATE SHARIATI WHEN INTENSIFIED HIS OPPOSITION TO THE INSTITUTIONALIZED  CLERGY, NO CLERGY EXCEPT AYATOLLAH TALEGHANI STAYED WITH HIM (OFF COURSE WHEN THEY WERE  NOT IN EXILE OR IN PRISON). SHARIATI'S AUDIENCE WERE STUDENTS AND COMMITTED AND RESPONSIBLE INTELLECTUALS.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.222.216.177 (talk) 00:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Shariati &Ali Khameini

message: This article is lacking a lot of things. For one, someone should write about his trip to Algeria and how he joined the Algerian Freedom Movement with Frantz Fanon (who he had met while in jail). 
He also had a relationship with some of the brightest intellectuels of the 20th century, such as Sartre, who is quoted to have said 'I have no religion but if I were to choose one it would be that of Shariati's'.
Please someone write extensively on Ali Shariati, he is a very slept on intellectual figure who deserves a lot more recognition!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.121.28 (talk) 07:18, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Lacks

message: Shariati also read many poetic works, namely Sufi works by Molana, Hafez, Sadi, Ferdowsi, Hallaj, Junayd, Qazi Abu Yusef, Shabastari, Qusheri, Abu Said Abol Kheirr and Bayazid Bastami. He was highly influenced by Anatole France and read many of the works of Franz Kafka, Arthur Sschopenhauer. Shariati in his own works, had six rhyming poems, and of particular interest is the speeches of the Prophet Mohammad. He was a Mossadeqist at a time when people in Iran belonged to either the Tudeh or Mossadeq camp. Shariati got into fights at school and was even beaten up once by Tudeh followers. Shariati got involved into politics or started reading about it after he had formulated a lot of knowledge in Persian poetry and literature, and even read some of the translated works of Enlightened philosophers from Europe.
Shariati was also a Sufi follower of Malamatiyan early in his life. Among these, there are many interesting aspects of his life and if someone can add more things on his wikipage, I will be more than willing to provide the content of biographical works on Shariati. A really good book on his life is by Ali Rahnema's 'An Islamic Utopian: A political Biography of Ali Shariati'
Shariati in popular works is always said to have been influenced by Franz Fanon, Sartre, Marxism but this is not entirely true. He was also influenced by the lesser known Iranian author Ahmad Kasravi, especially his criticisms of idolatrous rituals and practices of Shiism which is echoed in Shariati's work (Black Shiism - Red Shiism).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc (talk • contribs) 23:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Extend Wikipage

message: Salamalykum and thank you for extending Dr. Shariati's wikipage. You have brought blessings upon his name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.113.143 (talk) 05:01, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merci

message: It is worth noting that Shariati was a friend of Jean Paul Sartre, who is quoted as saying "I have no religion but if I were to choose one it would be that of Shariati's" (SOURCE: http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q=i+have+no+religion+but+if+I+were+to+choose+one+it+would+be+that+of&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=12d854179172b838)
Michel Foucault also wrote extensively on the Iranian Revolution in some papers published in an Italian newspaper. He also mentions the character of Shariati (http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/007863.html)
Shariati was not only a political figure, in fact before he even got into politics (aligning himself with Mossadeqists and becoming actively involved in politics) he studied and read a lot about Sufism (Molana, Hafez, Sadi, Ferdowsi, Hallaj, Junayd, Qazi Abu Yusef, Shabastari, Qusheri, Abu Said Abol Kheirr and Bayazid Bastami). He is even known to have quit politics for a while and focused solely on his spiritual journey (sufism). He wrotes on this subject and how the Prophet was always concerned about the people's well being and welfare while at the same time maintaining a strong relationship with God, conversely he wrote about how Sufis are only concerned with their relationship with God and not so much the people because people distract them from realizing their oneness with God. These are some random points but worth noting
source- Ali Rahnema's 'An Islamic Utopian: A political Biography of Ali Shariati  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.113.143 (talk) 07:32, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: relationships

message: the following needs to be removed or reassessed based on it's credibility and logic.
"However, some counter that Islamist hard-liners are to blame, on the basis of similar treatment of Ahmad Kasravi."
Ahmad Kasravi is an exception because his view on religion was radically different than Shariati, even granted the fact that Shariati's concept of Red/Black Shiism was influenced by Kasravi. Ahmad was anti clerical and even irreligious to a point, especially when he wrote on the Shia Imam Jafar Sadeq and criticized his character (saying things like Jafar didn fight injustice but instead stayed in his home writing papers). Shariati never criticized religion to the point and degree that Kasravi did so therefore Kasravi cannot be used as an example.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.113.143 (talk) 07:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: weak argument

message: or add onto "notes from speech" section
My Lord, grant me success in struggling during failure, in having patience in disappointment, in going alone, in Jihad without weapons, in working without pay, in making sacrifice in silence, in having religious belief in the world, in having ideology without popular traditions, in having faith without pretensions, non-conformity without immaturity, beauty without physical appearance, loneliness in the crowd, and loving without the beloved knowing about it. My Lord, You teach me how to live; I shall learn how to die. Ali Shariati علی شريعتی  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.113.143 (talk) 07:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: good Shariati quote

message: Can someone please kindly add more pictures, here is a link to Dr.Shariati's facebook, on page six, is a picture of his shrine in Damascus, Syria.
source: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1353769015#!/photo.php?pid=281907&op=6&o=global&view=global&subj=11749543630&id=1832351999
Please update more pictures, and if I could, I would. 
Thank you kindly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.97.19 (talk) 19:04, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: To Ali With Love

message: In Ervand Amrahamian's book 'the iranian mojahedin', he states that 'shariati won a scholarship to study philogoy at the Sorbonne (p. 106)....many in Iran still think that he studied sociology rather than philology (p.107)..'
I'm not sure if this is correct but it would make sense, given that Shariati translated the works of Abdol Hamid Jawdat (Abu Zarr: the socialist God Worshipper), Louis Massignon (al-Hallaj and Salman Pak), Che (Guerilla warfare), Frantz Fanon (A Dying Colonialism and weretched of the earth), J.P. Sartre (What is Poetry?), Ozegan (partially translated -- Le Meilleur Combat)...
Someone please verify this. I never read this in Rahnema's Biography of Ali Shariati : Islamic Utopian nor in any other book on Shariati, perhaps but even on Ervand's journal article Shariati Islamic ideologue (not sure if this is correct title but something similar to it).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.58.132.222 (talk) 18:53, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  studied philology and not sociology? 

message: The following paragraph is extremely problematic and controversial. Exactly WHERE did this info COME FROM? 
Shariati was allowed to leave the country for England. He died three weeks later in a Southampton hospital. This was a juncture of time when hard line islamists were regrouping and putting up an agenda to take over. They were supported by Syria and Libya. This triad would be known as "Jebheh Emtena" or the untied front for negation, challenging west powers in the region. Syria gave the team who was responsible for killing him, and snatching his body away to Syria, enormous logistic support including air support.
Shariati's death was the subject of some controversy. The Syrian government sent an empty airliner to pick the body out of reach fearing that the body reaching his motherland would be autopsied. Some hope that a change in Syria could lead to the release of new information on Shariati's death.
[edit]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.104.182 (talk) 06:39, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: sources?

message: I understand I am not authorized to delete a section but the following excerpt (see above) which was recently added has absolutely no reference and is an unfounded accusation. Nowhere will you ever find such a conspiracy theory.
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/007863.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.5.140 (talk) 04:38, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: deleted section

message: the quote from Shariati saying people in the East are praying and sweating (clear liquid) and yet they are frustrated and that the people from the West are enjoying themselves and drinking liquor hence they are happy or successful doesn't make any sense. This quote which was translated from farsi into english doesn't read right and should be removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.5.140 (talk) 18:33, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: incoherent quote

message: Article should mention the fact that he was an orator and not writer. students flocked into his classes because of his lively, energetic and charismatic lectures. shariati did not work on his books for very long, he was more an orator, man of speech than a writer although his works are notable  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.5.140 (talk) 09:28, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact that entire 'quote' was never written nor said by Shariati, and runs counter to his beliefs. It is a fake. It was very likely planted on the internet by those opposed to him, to try and discredit him in the eyes of Persian citizens (and/or to try and cement an Islamic rule). One can find a version of the quote in a jpg photo, posted online on a website on 8 May 2013, with a mugshot of Shariati (under arrest by the Shah's forces) alongside portraits of Nietzsche and Hegel, and "page 394". That photo has been widely repeated on the internet. Six days later, on 14 May 2013, the quote was first added to this Wikipedia article, by an anonymous user using IP address 144.230.63.53. Nothing close to this quote appears in any known writings or speeches by Shariati, in any straightforward context, and it runs counter to many of his other works and against his approach to history and comparative religious study. Rather amusingly, the article or chapter it was said to be taken from only has 30-40 pages, and so it could not possibly be from "page 394". :-) I guess those promoting the fraud thought the high page number would make it look important? ;-) Gorbeh Dana (talk) 00:54, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

text: * Hello - you should rewrite the section to include this. Still knowing nothing of the subject this is much clearerthan what previous authors have included. Kind regards. Twofingered Typist (talk) 11:28, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Therefore which one of these suggestions, according to you, is better? One suggestion is that I add the simples above respectively  without omitting the texts. another suggestion is that replacing the simples I delete textes. Respectfully.--m,sharaf (talk)
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thread_title: orator

message: Shariati's most important quote: "In Ershad conferences I showed that generally speaking Iranian culture was formed after the conquest of Arabs. Our national clergy also was not able to find any bit or shred of evidence of Iranian culture and progress prior to Arab conquest."
QUOTES LIKE THESE ARE FABRIACTED BY THOSE PITTIFUL CHARACTERS WHO DO NOT SEE OUR HISTORY JUST LIKE SHARIATI DID-- A STRONG TREE ROOTED IN HISTORY AND THE POWER TO WITHSTAND SHOCKS, TO INCORPORATE THE GOOD AND REPEL THE BAD. TO SHARIATI IRANIAN CULTURE EITHER PRIOR TO ARAB INVASION, DURING THE ARAB INVASION (WHICH HE CALLED TWO CENTURIES OF RESISTANVCE IN SILENCE) OR AFTER, WAS AND CONTINUES TO BE RESILIENT.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.222.216.177 (talk) 00:34, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact that entire 'quote' was never written nor said by Shariati, and runs counter to his beliefs. It is a fake. It was very likely planted on the internet by those opposed to him, to try and discredit him in the eyes of Persian citizens (and/or to try and cement an Islamic rule). One can find a version of the quote in a jpg photo, posted online on a website on 8 May 2013, with a mugshot of Shariati (under arrest by the Shah's forces) alongside portraits of Nietzsche and Hegel, and "page 394". That photo has been widely repeated on the internet. Six days later, on 14 May 2013, the quote was first added to this Wikipedia article, by an anonymous user using IP address 144.230.63.53. Nothing close to this quote appears in any known writings or speeches by Shariati, in any straightforward context, and it runs counter to many of his other works and against his approach to history and comparative religious study. Rather amusingly, the article or chapter it was said to be taken from only has 30-40 pages, and so it could not possibly be from "page 394". :-) I guess those promoting the fraud thought the high page number would make it look important? ;-) Gorbeh Dana (talk) 00:54, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: remove claim re quote

message: Perhaps the article could mention something about Shariati's somewhat unimportant but nevertheless interesting relationship with Al-i Ahmad? The article does mention the influence of Al-i Ahmad on Shariati but it could go a little further and say a word or two about their meetings. On this topic, see the following remarks made by Hamid Algar:
"In all of these respects, as well as several others, Al-i Ahmad appears as the
precursor of the lecturer, writer, sociologist, and ideologue, 'Ali Shari'ati
(1933-1977), who bears a closer resemblance to him than any other member of
Iran's literary intelligentsia. The two men are known to have met at least twice, in
1968, and to have felt great sympathy for each other. One meeting took place in Tajrish, to
the north of Tehran; Shari'ati reminisced to Al-i Ahmad about his days in Paris
with Fanon, and Al-i Ahmad told him of his work on Dar Khidmat va Khiyanat-i
Raushanfikran.26 The other took place in Mashhad; the two men discussed the
alienation to which Iranian intellectuals had fallen prey as a result of their
occidentosis, and afterwards Al-i Ahmad noted: "I am happy that we travel the
same road with respect to these matters. " Themes such as cultural authenticity,
the role of the socially committed intellectual, the problems posed by the
presence of the machine in a traditional society, discussed cursorily, even
impressionistically, by Al-i Ahmad, were taken up in much greater detail by
Shari'ati and made the subject of a series of lectures and books" (pp. 16-17)
Ahmad, J. A. E. (1983). Occidentosis: A plague from the west. Mizan Press. Trans. by Hamid Algar. 
Full text available here: http://www.brygeog.net/uploads/7/9/8/5/7985035/occidentosis.pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.27.88.67 (talk) 16:55, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal relationship 

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