Talk:Big Brother (Nineteen Eighty-Four)

message: H.G. Wells mentions "Big Brother" [with the capitals] in his 1937 novel Star-Begotten. The context is a conversation about the common man & how he is vulnerable to manipulation: "Most of us to the very end are obsessed by infantile cravings for protection and direction, and out of these cravings come all these impulses towards slavish subjugation towards gods, kings, leaders, heroes, mystical personifications like the People, My Country Right or Wrong, the Church, the Party, the Masses, the Proletariat. Our imaginations hang on to some such Big Brother idea almost to the end. We will accept almost any self-abasement rather than step out of the crowd and be full-grown individuals." [Wells, H.G.; Star-Begotten, Sphere Books, 1977, p101-102.] The publishing data says this book was copyrighted in 1937. I thought this might be significant to the article, but I'm not an editor, so I wasn't sure where to post this in the discussion. 58.109.48.29 (talk) 10:20, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Reference To Big Brother in H.G. Wells' Star-Begotten, 1937 

message: Great stuff!
TODO: incorporate this into the article. -65.75.18.227 10:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secure beneath the watchful eyes 

message: Second picture down the page (movie screenshot) the caption is 'Big Brother's face looms on giant telescreens in Victory Square (the actual movie location is Alexandra Palace in Muswell Hill, north London) in Michael Radford's 1984 film adaptation of George Orwell's Nineteen-Eighty Four.'
I think the set used (Alexander Palace) is surplus to information as strictly speaking it has nothing to do with the book or the character/organisation the page is supposed to describe. I'll remove it if nobody objects in a few days, and after that I suppose it can be reverted. Andrewjd 16:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture Caption 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Telescreen.png

message: So yeah, where the hell is the original Big Brother image, from the first 1984 movie? Why isn't it shown here? --Ragemanchoo (talk) 05:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean the image from the 1954 version? In edit mode, you can see that it was commented out because the image was deleted. And if you go to , you'll see that the image was deleted last July because it was a fair-use image with no fair-use rationale provided.--ShelfSkewed Talk 05:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So is the image bound by copyright or not? Its so widely used at this point that I wonder if its become public domain.. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 08:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Big Brother image?

message: It says that the ministry of love is the most straight forward, but the reason it gives is because the thought criminals leave loving big brother. It also says that the other ministries are the inverse of their names. But in the book, it asks if the ministry of truth edits history, then is it really a lie? And since there is obviously plenty of resources to waste on outdated military equipment, doesn't the ministry of plenty really have plenty of resources? And since the ministry of peace fights the wars over the useless territories so that they don't have to fight a war on their own soil, don't they really keep the peace?
The ministries are exactly what they say they are, in their own, perverse way, and the article should reflect that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.232.102.14 (talk) 08:12, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Goldstein's Book establishes that the ministries are all what they claim to be.  That said, the ministries don't have anything to do with Big Brother, so they belong in the main article discussing the novel, right? Jsamans (talk) 17:29, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ministries naming 

message: Man these people are just about as opressive as the government in this book.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.151.6.98 (talk) 23:31, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Orwell Estate

message: In Britain. Article today in a paper where a former security chief sounds a warning about big brother state in Britain. The term 'Big Brother' has come from the book and has come into popular use. Massive surveillance and monitoring of the population. America, France etc. don't stand for this, but Britain does. Maybe says something about the character of the country?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.7.9 (talk) 04:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1984 Here Now 

message: Should this section have some kind of citation? Maybe link to the avert on youtube or similar?
As it is, this is an entire section with no citation at all.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamahl (talk • contribs) 04:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apple Advert 

message: This is an example of why I placed the tag on the article-
*  Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin and Nazi Party Leader Adolf Hitler were probably the main inspirations for Big Brother.
While I have little doubt this is true, there are no sources listed with the information and is not written in an encyclopedic fashion.  The name of the section itself lead me to look closer at further claims and the article as a whole.  Just need specific sourcing and it's all good.  tyvm. Pudge MclameO (talk) 00:00, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tag and Example 

message: I just have to say that Big Brother is the most obvious Stalin allusion in all literature. The same way that Goldstein is the literal physical description of Trotsky. Should this page be the vanguard of the most vapid revisionism? 108.65.0.169 (talk) 01:50, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Says the article, "Additional speculation from Douglas Kellner of UCLA argued that Big Brother represents Joseph Stalin and that the novel portrayed life under totalitarianism." for which 'speculation' seems a weak word. Even if it isn't (solely) Stalin, I think it's fairly obvious that 1984 portrays life under totalitarianism. Furius (talk) 04:25, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There is little question that the image of Big Brother is a representation of Stalin.  Orwell was a lifelong socialist who remained loyal to the ideals of socialism precisely because he saw very early on (in Spain) that Stalin's Soviet Union was in no way a socialist state.  Oceania's IngSoc is a future projection of Stalinist Communism, superimposed on his own England.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsamans (talk • contribs) 17:31, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's Stalin for the love of...

message: It's kind of the point of the novel that he is not really a character in the sense that eg. Winston and Julia are.
Nope, can't think of a better name for what he is.  --79.223.5.145 (talk) 05:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character? 

message: I was wondering if the big brother reference in the film a beautiful mind should be mentioned since it is a clever reference. If you have ever seen the movie, russel crowes character refers to ed harris's character as big brother. This almost has a double meaning. The ed harris chracter is authoritaran like big brother but like in the novel his existence in the story is questionable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.97.243 (talk) 23:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A beautiful mind reference. 

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message: Hi!
I edited the following paragraph to the article (March 16 2019 8:27)
"Commercial Realisation
Today, many websites offer for a fee an insight into the private rooms of unsuspecting people. One example is reallifecam.com . The websites often pretend to the viewer a victim's knowledge about the espionage, thereby playing both ends against the middle by using the viewers' shame about their act of voyeurism together with the viewer's fear of prosecution to silence the audience."
As all of my edits it has been deleted. Can you help me please to write in an acceptable way? Is the naming of the website not ok, as it is not closed, and probably will never? Or is the whole paragraph not acceptable, as it shows the realisation of the dystopia and a lacking intervention of the security agencies? Or what else is the issue?
As all of my edits, these questions are not meant to be accusing but asked very directly in hope to get a direct answer how to reformulate the paragraph to match wikipedias terms of acceptance. On the official page only formal rules are explaint, no rules about content.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.223.1.134 (talk) 01:38, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need help on formulation 

message: While I can understand why you consider the comic image to be "problematic", using an image of graffiti in place of an actual adaptation of the character is unhelpful. The graffiti does not illustrate the character as well, and I think that using an image from an actual comic of 1984 is much more desirable, regardless of our personal qualms with how he was depicted. I'm hoping that an agreement can be made. Di (they-them) (talk) 05:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the graffiti as unhelpful. The article isn't simply about the character, it's about the character as a synecdoche for the oppressive surveillance state, and people's resentment of same. The graffiti neatly represents that resentment. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 16:57, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image