Talk:Desalination

message: re03955 14:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References and External links 

message: Encyclopedia of Desalination and Water Resources (DESWARE)
http://www.desware.net/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manic mechanic (talk • contribs) 03:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: additional citations for verification

message: How much energy is needed to desalinate a cubic meter of sea-water? Someone please add this to the article.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.249.20.138 (talk) 19:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A cubic meter?  Who measures water that way?  Should the answer be provided in millicalories just for fun?  Jpp42 13:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: If SI is used, this would be good for everybody. I think cubic meter is the best way.re03955 14:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Currently, the introduction mentions that Energy consumption of sea water desalination can be as low as 3 kWh/m^3, and to backup that claim it cites an article titled "Energy Efficient Reverse Osmosis Desalination Process" by ijesd.org. This seems to be a practical limit to energy consumption. However, the link is broken and I haven't been able to find the article on the source. This claim and the reference should be removed. Negrulio (talk) 13:38, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Energy 

message: The interest in ethane (gas) hydrates is more to do with mining them from the sea floor for their gas and water components to be separated. While being researched for desalination it is certainly not a major process. Moreover it does not yet produce water fit for drinking. I have relegate the process to the list of possible methods... perhaps it can be expanded on its own article. CustardJack 12:03, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally forgetting my lack of German, I tried to take a look at the referenced article. Needless to say, I didn't get very far. Any chance of somebody translating to an English version?--Coro 00:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You could try . This is Google's translation of the web page. It seems to me that this would require the same amount of heat as any conventional distillation, but at a lower temperature.  Not sure what it's advantage over vacuum distillation. Hope this helps. pstudier 01:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gas Hydrates. 

message: The sentence "While SDSU Center for Advanced Water Technologies [2] and Professor Ronald A. Newcomb has worked with a local company (Aqua Genesis Ltd.) to assist in the development of geothermally powered desalination. [3]" towards the top of the page seems a) to be advertising and b) out of context where it has been placed. Geothermally powered desalination is not a major desalination technology at present. 
Wulouis
In looking at it, I'm having to agree. That section is supposed to be for currently established methods. I will be moving that stuff down to the experimental section.--Coro 01:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misplaced item? 

message: I added a bunch of  disclaimers to the economics section, as it is simple stated facts without references.  If anyone has any real information as to the economics and costs of construction/maintenance/etc, I think it would be extremely useful.Dirtyharry2 00:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economics 

message: I suggest a paragraph or two about carbon dioxide emissions (greenhouse gas) from desalination would be appropriate in this discussion.  If the energy intensity of desalination is quantified, it will then be possible to estimate greenhouse emissions for a given electricity source (e.g. coal etc).  I do not know the amount of energy required for desalination, but I can quantify the emissions relative to the energy requirement. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haimona (talk • contribs) 01:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Desalination#Energy (above) for figures and reference. - J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 20:33, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carbon emissions from desalination 

message: There are a lot of errors with the usage of "and," in regards to run-on sentences. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jasdub32 (talk • contribs) 10:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  There are a lot of grammatical errors in this article 

message: This article could benefit from:
* More examples of prices of desalination and alternatives (such as tapping ground, river, or lake water) in various locations around the world.  That way readers can make up their own minds about how expensive or infeasible it is.
* A list quantitatively detailing the suppy capacity on a country-by-country or plant-by-plant basis for the largest facilities in the world. 
-- Beland 16:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The World Bank report on desalination in the Middle East and Central Asia has significant useful information on desalination in general, covering the economics, environmental aspects, energy use, and institutional aspects. It could be a useful reference for any expansion of the article: http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTWSS/Resources/Desal_mainreport-Final2.pdf--Mschiffler (talk) 02:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion requests 

message: I expanded the opening paragraph to note that desalination means salt removal generally, as with soil desalination. Perhaps this article should be renamed "water desalination" (which currently redirects to desalination), and desalination made into a stub article explaining the general definition, with wiki links to water desalination and soil desalination. -Agyle 23:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retitle article "water desalination?" 

message: "food grade concentrate".  What substance is used?  It should be made clear that this will not give rise to pure water, but some kind of soup or syrup.
84.43.92.19 17:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That sentence was unreferenced, and I tagged it and other statements in the section as needing citations. According to "Forward Osmosis: A New Approach to Water Purification and Desalination", forward osmosis is used in concentrating food products like fruit juice, but not in desalination. A casual google search of "forward osmosis" (FO) and "desalination" suggests that as of 2006, FO was not used in commercial desalination, and experimental use seems to use ammonia and carbon dioxide rather than food grade concentrate on the non-salt side. -Agyle 07:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forward osmosis 

message: I believe the world's largest desalination plant is in Ashkelon, Israel, it's now providing and selling 165 000 m3 of water per day and will eventually produce 330,000 m3 per day of water daily.
Punjabishere (talk) 22:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest desalination plant is in Israel? 

message: I found in the article only 4 kWh per m³ sea water. This is not state of the art.
New systems with pressure recovery are at 2.5 kWh electric power / m³.
Here a desalination cost calulator
When it comes to the task to reduce carbon dioxide to a level before using fossile energy, desalination for irrigation dry areas could be a key technology.
--Pege.founder (talk) 13:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actual power rating 

message: "Sometimes the process produces table salt as a by-product. It is used on many ships and submarines."
*I can't be sure whether this is referring to the salt being used or the process used on ships and submarines. Any ideas?
"Saudi Arabia's desalination plants account for about 24% of total world capacity."
*This sounds like the plants account for 24% of all desalination worldwide, but it could also be referring to using 24% of the world's energy capacity. Any ideas?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neum (talk • contribs) 22:09, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

message: How is the  template relevant for this article? I believe it should be removed. Timneu22 (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  COORD template 

message: Where's the history. I opened this page to read about the history of Desalination. But there was no info. Somebody please upload the history of Desalination plants. Tri400 (talk) 11:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History? 

message: There is reference in the article to a so-called Passarell process. I used the link, and this is what I would call, optimistically, a goodwill effort from a non-specialist. Unless somebody gives sounder evidence of the existence of such a process, I will delete the reference. --Ub (talk) 14:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passarell Process 

message: The article currently says:
:Increased water conservation and water use efficiency remain the most cost effective priority for supplying water.
But conservation and increased efficiency obviously don't supply any water at all! They do reduce the amount of water demand, thereby causing less supply to be required, but this is a very weird way to word that. --Delirium (talk) 03:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  strange sentence on supply options 

message: There is now a desalination disambiguation page that links to water desalination and soil desalination. But every use of the term desalination that I've seen in the media refers to water, not soil. So I added "This article is about water desalination. For soil desalination, see soil desalination" to the beginning of this article. I can't move this article back until after the disambiguation page is deleted. Grundle2600 (talk) 23:47, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: (edit conflict)I have moved the article back to Desalination.  The disambiguation page only had links to two articles, Desalination and Soil salinity control.  A disambiguation page is only appropriate when there are three or more articles to choose between.  When there are only two articles, hatnotes at the top of both articles, with links to the other article are appropriate.  See WP:DAB for more information.  If anyone thinks this article should be moved (possibly to water desalination, then it should be discussed here on the talk page to reach consensus first. — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  00:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome. — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  00:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On my user talk page I have been rebutted for making the move, and I have replied and I have rejected arguments. Yet I accepted the back move and agreed that prior discussion would have been more appropriate. Still, I think the suggestion above "Retitle article "water desalination?" by Agyle does make sense. In the past I have made similar moves "Salinity control" and "Drainage system" without problem and in the second case with a compliment. Life is variable.R.J.Oosterbaan (talk) 01:35, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I support the move to water desalination
KVDP (talk) 06:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: This article should not have been moved from "Desalination" to "Water desalination" without a discussion first.

message: Recently I made that move, but it was undone. See the discussion above and on my talk page.
When desalination can refer to two different things like A-desalination and B-desalination it is logical to call these items as such and make a disambiguation page. There are peace makers and trouble makers and it would be wrong to make a page about trouble makers and call it simply "makers". R.J.Oosterbaan (talk) 02:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to move this article to "Water desalination"

message: Can we have a history and etymology section? Faro0485 (talk) 02:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History and etymology sections 

message: The beginning of this article states, "The world's largest desalination plant is the Jebel Ali Desalination Plant (Phase 2) in the United Arab Emirates."
However, further down on the page it is indicated that "the Ashkelon seawater reverse osmosis (SWRO) desalination plant in Israel is the largest in the world."
Does the second statement mean to say that Ashkelon is the largest of its type in the world? SweetNightmares (talk) 00:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification needed 

message: I notice that no reference is made in the article to existing desalination plants in Malta. To the best of my knowledge over 50% of the potable water there is produced this way, so surely it would be relevant to the article to include information about this. I'm no expert on Maltese water plants nor desalination but I hope someone who is adds some appropriate material as my attempt would, in all likelihood, be riddled with errors.
IrishPete (talk) 02:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Existing desalination plants 

message: why 3 phase induction motars is not used for chemicak reactors?????????  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.149.49.225 (talk) 09:16, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  why????? 

message: It was pointed out at the Help desk that :File:PlantaSchemaFiction.png is annotated in Spanish. Is this picture necessary to the article? Is there a better version? -- John of Reading (talk) 14:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  File:PlantaSchemaFiction.png 

message: In the paragraph "Saudi Arabia" I undid an anonymous edit that changed "1060 million" to "1.060 billion". This is pretty confusing. A US "billion" is 109, whereas a UK "billion" is 1012. In this case, the same paragraph uses "litre" (instead of "liter"), thi suggesting being written by a UK author. Even if "litre" where changed to "liter", it remains unsure, as many people seem to be insufficiently aware of these differences. HHahn (Talk) 13:49, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Millions or billions? 

message: I have added the following article from Science to the article.  This is a significant review article of the current state of desalination and its future prospects; it is an excellent source of information and additional references.  
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:- J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 20:40, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review article 

message: Resource in current issue of Environment (Volume 53, Number 5, September/October 2011)
http://www.environmentmagazine.org/
Article starting on page 34; The Desalination debate - Lessons Learned thus far by Alon Tal.
99.181.150.29 (talk) 02:02, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.environmentmagazine.org/Archives/Back%20Issues/2011/September-October%202011/climate-change-full.html  would be more specific  99.181.131.7 (talk) 03:54, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  resource in current issue of ''Environment'' (September/October 2011)  

message: Hello, the methods in the article are lacking: only a few methods are described, but the box in the beginning shows many different methods and subtypes of methods. Thus, the Methods section should be improved. Also, in the article there could be a mention about the cost level of each of these methods. I suppose, for example, that the freezing desalination is too expensive, but on the other hand it may be a process that can be scaled up. These kinds of differences between the methods should be described. Also, I think that the list Existing facilities and facilities under construction should be a subarticle and in this article a short intro and a link to the list would be enough. --Hartz (talk) 17:01, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the comment on the "Methods" section. Quite a few methods of distillation come up, but each method only has a sentence or two explaining it. I can try and do some research on this to try and expand this section. I do like your idea of breaking the methods into subtypes but I feel the part of comparing costs may better fit somewhere in the economics section of this article. Pgholami1 (talk) 00:59, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I added more about various popular methods. It could stand to be a bit further expanded, but I wrote enough for the to get the gist of it. I refrained a bit from writing too much since some already have their own pagesPgholami1 (talk) 00:00, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for improvement 

message: I don't know enough about the subject to know how this should fit in, or if it should have its own page/stub. Here's one link  google has more. Brimba (talk) 01:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electrochemically mediated seawater desalination 

message: I think that this article should be split into two articles, "Desalination" and "Desalination facilities". What is currently under the title "Existing facilities and facilities under construction" would be moved to the new article. This would remove approximately 2,800 words from this 7,300 word article, which comes out to about 38% (I counted all "edit source" material above the see also section). 
In the new "Desalination" article, "Desalination facilities" could be a short section with a link to the main article. Information such as the world's largest or most efficient desalination facility would be appropriate to mention in this section (references and dates should be used for such claims). Outside of this section, facilities should be mentioned when they are relevant.
If you agree or disagree, please leave your comments below. However, if you are expecting a reply from me personally, please leave a message on my talk page. -- Kjkolb (talk) 05:11, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting article into "Desalination" and "Desalination facilities" 

message: Hi, I am glad we dont have to del with gallons here, but so far there is no standardized use of m³ per day or year. Please use one sort of unit oper all. I agre with the need for a list. Serten (talk) 12:21, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generic unit 

message: 64.134.170.135 (talk) 16:39, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please post number of months desalt plant actually produces as rep in previous year 

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message: There's quite a few citations needed (in sections titled "Methods", "experimental Techniques", "Facilities", and "In Nature"). The "Methods" section really does need to be updated to either verify the methods explained with a proper citation or updated to include the true method again with citation. Pgholami1 (talk) 00:26, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Citations  

message: Reference number 50 no longer exists. When you click on it to follow the link you encounter a "Error 404" page. The claim about reclamation of wastewater over desalination should be either removed or defended with another source Pgholami1 (talk) 00:44, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Reference 

message: Every statistical fact mentioned is cited, as are any ‘conclusions’ about the facts. Meanwhile, summary and transition sentences are not excessively cited. Everything is relevant to the topic; however, the “in nature” section, while interesting and appropriate for Wikipedia articles about some other things, is slightly distracting because some of it could be mentioned in the overall summary of desalination, and some of it seems very loosely related to the rest of the article, which is about human-designed desalination. Checked a few citations - many of them follow through, but some of them (30, 61, 73) led to error pages, which means there is no longer any way to verify the information in the article that cites those sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ttchserum (talk • contribs) 05:38, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing citations, "in nature" section seems off 

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message: I've removed the further reading list. If any of these are really important use them for inline citations:
* Committee on Advancing Desalination Technology, National Research Council. (2008). Desalination: A National Perspective. National Academies Press.
* Desalination: The next wave in global water consumption from TLVInsider
*  Significant review article.
* R&D needs for Low CO2 Desalination from MIT EMsmile (talk) 13:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed the further reading list 

message: If someone has time it would be great if the lead section could be turned into a better summary of the article (about 4 paragraphs long). Perhaps student editor, ? EMsmile (talk) 14:11, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Make the lead section into a better summary 

message: Wave powered desalination is described as a reverse osmosis technology, not a distillation technology. But I lack the expertise to confirm this. 2001:56A:711D:4500:AC7A:B4F6:581B:81F6 (talk) 13:01, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wave powered desalination appears miscategorized 

message: Noticed there was no citation on the claim that the first commercial reverse osmosis plant was in California. I tried to find a reference myself but came up short. Can anyone else give it a shot? Faielgila (talk) 07:37, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Added.--AntientNestor (talk) 10:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing citation: first commercial RO plant in California? 

message: No matter what the desalination process; you have clear water, and everything else that is taken out. I am unlearned. What are the uses of the "product" other than drinking water? Is there a market: sodium, etc.. 2601:8B:8400:6C0:1EA5:81F4:E948:AAB3 (talk) 09:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I am unclear what your question is. Which part of the Wikipedia article do you find unclear? And there is no market for the brine if that's what you are referring to. It's an unwanted by-product. EMsmile (talk) 09:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Products?