Talk:Liber Linteus

message: Are experts sure about the unwittingness? I read something about the possibility of the person being of Etruscan ancestry. -- Error 04:29, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Unwitting

message: I removed the link http://www.maravot.com/Translation_Zagreb_Mummy.html for the site does not contain any worthwhile information. The translation is based on Etruscan being an Indo-European tongue, which is manifestly is not. Also, the translation makes the text into some kind of religious poem, which again is unlikely. The actual contents are likely to be along to lines of:
March. ...on the eighteenth day sacrifice a calf to the great and holy Tinia, for the sake of the people and the city; on the twentieth day sacrifice two unblemished goats to great Nefluns, for the king and his family; on the twenty-fourth day...
Oswax 15:04, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: Can anyone shed some light for me on what the emphasized phrasing means: "He often told his visitors that it was the body of King Stephen of Hungary's sister and it was not meaningless what he said, although obtained only as a oral tradition." It's weird and doesn't seem to make sense to me somehow. Atypicaloracle (talk) 13:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curious phrasing 

message: The translation of the formula : "śacnistres  cilthś śpureśtreśc enaś" given by user Corey Goranson is totally phantastic. This formula recurs very often  followed (after some words concerning timing) by the other : "ŝacnicleri  cilthl  śpureri methlumeric enaś". Now these two are certainly related to the ritual action described in the text.
Śacnistreś and śacnicleri are both words created by adding suffixes to the root word śacni which may only mean sacred, consacrated, holy etc. The first one may mean sacred brotherhood or simply sacerdotes, priests. Cilth may mean temple (or city, nation, arx) but it is uncertain.  Śpurestreś is likewise formed on from śpura which certainly means city, thence means citizens.  The second formula clarifies the meaning of the first in adding methlumeric, inflected form of methlum which certainly means the region and its people, just as touta in Osco-Umbrian, thence the second formula means : "for the sanctuaries of the cilth, the towns and the toutas". The discussion of enaś would be too uncertain but at this point is irrelevant to prove Goranson's translation a figment of his/her imagination. I doubt anybody dared write such things on a paper too. Cf. the review of van der Meer 's book by McTurfa and Becksmith online and also Wylin's book on the Etruscan verb available at googlebooks.Aldrasto11 (talk) 10:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The translation given for that passage is that of van de Meer, a major scholar on Etruscan. I agree that it has now been superseded, but it is (or was at the time proposed) hardly 'phantastic'! Johundhar (talk) 05:00, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

text: And this here's the pdf review of van der Meer's own work on the LL. We can cite it, especially p. 3, which seems to deal with at least one of the phrases in question. In the circumstances, I'd just cut out the omniglot-sourced (?) citation and translation, and go with der Meer, via the pdf if we must. Haploidavey (talk) 15:55, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

text: I've removed the dubious translation and the cited blog-link. We don't use blogs as sources. Haploidavey (talk) 16:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: An IP editor has twice added what seems to be their own version, based on a blog. Their material's contentious and seems to go against scholarly consensus in reliable, published scholarly sources. I've reverted.  Haploidavey (talk) 11:08, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: I wonder how these linen wrappings came to be in Egypt? At the time Etruria was very much under the Roman boot. I wonder if they were spoils of war (Roman versus Etruria) and then somehow got to Egypt as a consignement essentially of waste rags.
203.217.59.229 (talk) 01:09, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I read somewhere (sorry, don't have the reference at hand, right now--I'll try to track it down) that some think the Etruscans probably fled to Egypt to escape the Romans, then at some point a (presumably) non-Etruscan Egyptian acquired it somehow and used it for a mummy wrapping.Johundhar (talk) 18:25, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  linen to Egypt via Rome? 

message: I have hidden this section added by user @Johundhar. Its length surpasses any reasonable limit being basically a dissertation on every line and every word of the manuscript and not an encyclopedic article. Moreover, I suspect a possible copyright violation from L. B. van der Meer. Liber linteus zagrabiensis. The Linen Book of Zagreb. A Comment on the Longest Etruscan Text. I didn't tag the section as a copyvio hoping that someone (Johundhar?) could paraphrase the essentials in two or three paragraphs. — 2dk (talk) 22:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I'll work on it.Johundhar (talk) 01:14, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

text: OK, I gave it a shot. Please look it over and give feedback, if you would. Is that something along the lines you were thinking of? Is it still too detailed. Also, I notice that in other articles involving texts, they often include a sample of the text with a translation (if available). My "dissertation" started with something like that, but I got a bit carried away ([embarrassed face] it is a very intriguing text, though!). How much, if any, of such textual material can or should be presented in transliteration. I noticed that LL was first transliterated over 100 years ago. If that transliteration is used, can more be included? Or is that kind of detail of a long text just not done here? Thanks for any guidance you see fit to give on this.Johundhar (talk) 06:16, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Well  they left it out, although they might not have seen your comment since you didn't use , , or  to poke the automated messaging system. In any case, no, they shouldn't've commented out so much of the article. If they didn't want to move it to Wikisource, it should've been parked here, parked on a subpage like Liber Linteus/Text, or put into a visible but collapsed section. Shouldn't this all be using actual Etruscan letters now that they're in Unicode? — LlywelynII 13:26, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The text and partial translation