Talk:Rudy Giuliani during the September 11 attacks

message: Most of this article was repeated in Rudy Giuliani, and I've restored the rest from Controversies of Rudy Giuliani.  I edited these down considerably to remove what seemed wordy or unimportant.  I think this article is ready to be deleted, i.e. changed to a redirect to Rudy_Giuliani#September_11.2C_2001_terrorist_attacks.  If there's anything left in this article not said there now, it should be transferred over. Mike Serfas 22:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ready to be deleted

message: The article says "During the attack, Giuliani may have been near the WTC towers."? Giulinani's whereabouts on the morning of 9/11 is not a secret.Either he was or wasn't but don't need to speculate. This article should be deleted
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thread_title: Speculation?

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message: This article makes Giuliani seem like an incompetent moron. Who wrote this? Osama's publicist or the Democratic National Committee prior to the elections of 2008? 90% of this article is POV and far from neutral. After reading this article I've learned that Giuliani (a) didn't know about terrorists (b) put emergency office in wrong building (c) put diesel tanks in WTC and was responsible for their collapse (d) lied about amount of time he spend at WTC ruinds (e) is hated by NYC police and fire fighters (f) disliked by minorities (g) disliked by families of the survivors (h) was overall incompetent. I lived in NYC during September 11, and I remember he held the city together with no mass looting and anarchy as everyone expected. New Yorkers looked forward to listening to him reassure us on TV almost non stop. Even hardcore liberals who hated his policies prior to 9/11 spoke kindly about him at the time. This entire article is an attempt to rewrite history. It is not neutral. Could we put at least one positive thing he did in the aftermath of 9/11 in this article? Meishern (talk) 17:52, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This content was largely written by editors who visibly disliked Giuliani, and it definitely needs improvement.  Each of the points you list has some truth to it, but the article often gives them undue weight and fails to give sufficient weight to other aspects of Giuliani and 9/11.  But the solution is not to add "Criticism" prefixes to the section headers.  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I read every section multiple times before I relabeled each to properly title the content. The word 'criticize' was used eleven times (not counting section headers) and the word 'praise' twice. Each section except two (that were not re-labeled as criticism) manage to luke-warmly praising him but not without a rebuttal somewhere. I believe the new section titles give a better understanding to readers to take the content of the article with a grain of salt, until its properly rewritten. Meishern (talk) 21:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  You act as though the article's content is something you have no control over.  Instead of adding metacomments to the text, you should be rewriting the text yourself.  That's how things get done around here.  Wasted Time R (talk) 22:13, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with you Wasted Time. I fixed it up a bit, and if someone teams up with me I will do it. I am too much POV on Giuliani to completely do it by myself. Meishern (talk) 23:39, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  It doesn't matter whether you think Giuliani is the best mayor ever or the worst.  Simply write it objectively.  Writing for the enemy is a good way to learn this, but if there were a "Writing for a friend" essay, that would be too.  Put yourself in Giuliani's shoes, then put yourself in his critics' shoes, find the right weighting, then put yourself behind the eyes of some young reader who's just learning about what happened on 9/11 for the first time and has no preconceived notions.  Wasted Time R (talk) 23:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wasted Time, ya i will do it. Come to think of it I don't need the opposite point of view since that's basically what this whole article is. I will just reference the opposite view point and merge it. Cheers! Meishern (talk) 03:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Who wrote this article??

message: surely there are many praises of the actions of Rudy Giuliani during September 11.Tallicfan20 (talk) 05:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: !  Wasted Time R (talk) 10:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  why is this all criticism? 

message: This article reads like a term paper. Even the name of the article sounds like the title for a term paper. I don't know why we need an article for this. Parts of this should be under the Rudy Giuliani main article and parts should be under the September 11 attacks article. Or we could right articles for "President Bush during the September 11 attacks" and "Osama Bin Laden during the September 11 attacks" (sarcasm) cleddy89 (talk) 16:24, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: So put it up at AfD.  It survived one go-round there, but this time might well be different.    Wasted Time R (talk) 03:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Term Paper

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