Talk:Tiedemann Giese

message: Why Mauritius Ferber redirects here? He was another bishop of Warmia... but that's no reason for redirect here, is it? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  06:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to pl and de wikis, there were two different persons and have two different articles. RfD.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  17:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, these   edits show that it was necessary to fix the name. I've created a redirect pointing to Giese as he had a similar life, and the article could serve as a template for a stub which was not written until a few minutes ago. -- Matthead  Discuß   22:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mauritius Ferber

message: # For Gdańsk, use the name Gdańsk before 1308 and after 1945
# In biographies of clearly German persons, the name should be used in the form Danzig (Gdańsk) and later Danzig exclusively
-- Matthead  Discuß   01:26, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reminder 

message: At intermittent intervals, attempts to change the title, "Bishop of Culm" to "Bishop of Chelmno" have always ended up being reverted back to "Bishop of Culm".  And, rgithly so. 
According to the article, Chelmno, "Culm", also spelled "Kulm", was the official name used on documents during the Medieval period. 
In relation to the life and times of Tiedeman Giese, secondary sources almost exclusively use the term, "Bishop of Culm" (or Kulm) Here follows several examples:
: "Copernicus's two closest friends, Rheticus and Tiedeman Giese, Bishop of Kulm, were outraged at ..."  [Emphasis added] in: John Henry, Moving Heaven and Earth (Icon Science): Copernicus and the Solar System, Icon Books, 2017, [E-book edition], n.p
: "sur Tiedeman Giese, évêque de Culm..." [About Tiedeman Giese, Bishop of Culm][Emphasis added]  in: Gilbert Tournoy, Constant Matheeussen, Dirk Sacré (eds), Humanistica lovaniensia, Volume XLIX, p. 89
: "Copernicus told Pope Paul III that all his friends, foremost of who was Tiedeman Giese, Bishop of Kulm, had long since urged him to publish his work... " [Emphasis added] in: Alexandre Koyre The Astronomical Revolution: Copernicus - Kepler - Borelli, Routledge, 2013, p. 28
: "Copernicus acknowledged his indedebtness to his many friends and colleagues who had encouraged him to publish his findings- including Tiedeman Giese Bishop of Culm..." [Emphasis added] in: Jim Nelson Black, The Death of Evolution: Restoring Faith and Wonder in a World of Doubt, Zondervan, 2010, p. 42
: "Tiedeman Giese was the Bishop of Kulm and a friend of Copernicus, who he encouraged." [Emphasis added]  in: Galileo, Selected Writings, Oxford University Press, p. 405n
: "Next to him is that scholar, my very good friend, Tiedeman Giese, Bishop of Culm, most learned in all sacred matters..." [Emphasis added]  in: The Gradual Acceptance of the Copernican Theory of the Universe, p. 110 [See: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Gradual_Acceptance_of_the_Copernican_Theory_of_the_Universe.djvu/118] 
: "Aided by Tiedeman Giese, Bishop of Culm and a lifelong friend, at length (1542) persuaded him." [Emphasis added] in: The Gradual Acceptance of the Copernican Theory of the Universe, p. 29 https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:The_Gradual_Acceptance_of_the_Copernican_Theory_of_the_Universe.djvu/37
: "Next to him is my devoted friend, Tiedeman Giese, Bishop of Culm, a man filled with the greatest zeal for the divine and the liberal arts." [Emphasis added] in: Lisa M. Dolling, Arthur F. Gianelli and Glenn N. Statile (eds), The Tests of Time: Readings in the Development of Physical Theory, Princeton University Press, 2003, pp 44-45
Unless otherwide specified, all these sources can be found in Google Books so that it is easy to check the original passage as it appears in the source. 
While the historical place name could be spelled "Culm" or "Kulm", the use should be internally consistent within the article. Therefore we should defer the first usage in the article.  According to the article's revision history, the spelling "Culm" first appeared on 27 July, 2006 here and the spelling "Kulm" was already present in the article on 27 December, 2004 here. 
Accordingly, I recommend that the spelling Kulm be adopted and that the modern name Chelmno, if used at all, be placed in brackets immediately after Kulm.  BronHiggs (talk) 00:53, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bishop of Culm Vs Bishop of Chelmno?