Talk:Prison Break/Archive 2

message: Hi. I just reverted edits on the section "International broadcasts" since it was only partially ordered in alphabetical order. If anyone would like to reorder the list, please do so consistently so that the entire list is ordered the same way. -- Ladida 13:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: International broadcasts list

message: Unless the country does not have a free-to-air television broadcast of Prison Break, the cable TV station that is broadcasting the show can be added. Otherwise, we'll have a huge list since most countries have cable television networks in conjunction with the free-to-air television networks. For this reason, I have removed "FOX8 - Australia" from the list. -- Ladida 09:09, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cable TV networks

message: I have created a template 
 because the main templates can't provide a decent link to the List of Episodes Page without trying to link to Specific seasons (eg. #season1). However, I have noticed that the issue of spoilers is contentious and whilst I personally feel that each episode summary is obviously going to contain spoilers, some might be caught out and be disappointed. How do people feel about spoilers on the episode guides? GenestealerUK 12:29, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually think it looks kinda bad.  The template wasn't really needed.  Like u said it's obvious that episode guides are gonna contain spoilers if you haven't already seen the episode, so people should not read them unless they want to know what happens.  Same thing goes for the tv guide, but they don't put a spoiler warning on every show listing - it's common sense.  Each episode has links to Series 1/2 pages via the template at the bottom. DJDannyP//Talk2Me 12:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is a bad idea;  will suffice. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, maybe it is obvious that a spoiler is about to appear. However, we cannot assume that someone has come to that page indirectly of their own choosing. They may well have come directly from search engines and are unaware that details of an episode they haven't watched are about to be revealed. Therefore, we take some responsibility if that happens unless we have a caution on the page. GenestealerUK 13:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  does not link to List of Prison Break episodes. I figured it would be better to include that link hence  GenestealerUK 13:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The spoiler template doesn't need to link to series 1/2, etc as the Prison Break template does.  Even if someone comes through a search engine, then the page title is enough to let them know that they're going to be reading an episode guide.  As with any discussion/information/anything about a tv show, it should be assumed that it is up to date with the most recent episode released.  It looks kinda garish at the top of every article, it is implicit when seeing the article title/link page that it will contain spoilers. DJDannyP//Talk2Me 13:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoilers

message: The international broadcast list is now getting too long with the Airdates of Prison Break article becoming redundant. In the Airdates of Prison Break article, the US episode airdates are unnecessary since they're already in the "list of episodes" article and the airdates of other countries are unencyclopedic. I think that the written descriptions should be simplified and merged into the main Prison Break article. Furthermore, the international broadcast list can also do without the alternate titles and weekly schedule. Please see examples from the following feature articles: Arrested Development, Cheers, Felix the Cat, Lost (TV series), The Office (US TV series) and The Wire (TV series). What do you think? -- Ladida 12:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with most of what you say, however, I do think that the names of the show in different languages are of interest especially since in many cases they are not literal translations of "Prison Break". Spebudmak 14:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've merged the international broadcast list into Airdates of Prison Break. Is the title of the article suitable? Since the article now contains premiere dates of the respective countries only. -- Ladida 03:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

text: When I created the Airdates of Prison Break list it was based on Airdates of Lost (now deleted). I approve of the moving of international broadcasts into the Airdates list -- makes it much more useful and encyclopaedic (and clears up space on the main Prison Break article). Tntnnbltn 05:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Airdates and international broadcast list

message: Can anyone decode the postings at EuropeanGoldfinch.net? It seems like the characters are giving subtle clues to the future plot. I'm not active on any Prison Break fan sites, but could someone post here (and in the article) about any deeper meanings people see? --OSUKid7 04:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  European Goldfinch Dot Net 

message: Why not add fansites? I don't see a difference between TV.vom Television without pity or TVIV and fansites when they all do the same thing..Bring Prison Break News a forums, and episode guides.208.61.30.94 19:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fansite

message: This article will be put on hold (for 7 days) until these minor adjustments can be made :
:1. Well written? Fail Pass
:2. Factually accurate? Border Fail
:3. Broad in coverage? Pass
:4. Neutral point of view? Pass
:5. Article stability? Pass
:6. Images? Pass
Additional comments :
* The lead section doesn't convey enough information to situate the reader, it should be expanded.
* The Plot doesn't carry the out-of-universe criteria that WP vows for in articles dealing with fiction (See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction).
* The Trivia section should be part of the plot in a way to bring such the plot section to have more a out-of-universe feel.
Lincher 19:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead sounds good to me ... now about the trivia section, since there is a no non-notable trivia in the GA criteria, I'm afraid it has to be cut down or added to the text somewhere in order to prose such information. Lincher 11:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: All notable, cited trivia has been moved into the prose.  Uncited trivia has been removed altogether, and trivia about actors outside of the scope of the show have been moved to that actor's article. Jtrost (T | C | #) 12:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: It now fulfills the requirements of the GA criteria. There was some nice writing added and some needed removal that brought the article to a better state. Good luck for the future of the article. Lincher 18:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA re-review ; pass

message: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061024/ap_en_ot/prison_break_lawsuit_1 someone should put this in here.
Avalon Bound 15:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stolen?

message: Perhaps we should make it clear that for anyone else who is willing to break into a prison to save their wrongfully accused brother, tattooing the floorplan to your body isn't the best way to go about it, as surely at some point in your stay someone will notice the big-ass tattoo covering your entire body. Yes, believe it or not, the police look for identifying marks on your body. This would most likely result to a prison transfer and regretting you paid $4,000 for the service.
:Did you even watch the show? The tattoo was in code, so only Scofield could understand it.
::One word..."Haywire" SmUX 11:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot

message: Hi I'm from the Dutch wikipedia. Does anyone know if Wentworth Miller speaks Dutch?
Greets, dutch wiki.
I dont know about whether he speaks dutch or not but he is partly of dutch descent and he has a huge dutch fansite. From all this information I am inclined to surmise that he does indeed have some knowledge in Dutch language
Bioskope 05:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dutch

message: According to Wikipedia in popular culture: "Michael Scofield searches for Agent Mahone and reads an article on Wikipedia with a similar layout and his image in the top left." Can anyone confirm this?  --  Zanimum 20:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello?  --  Zanimum 19:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not wikipedia but a random news website. -- Ladida 08:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Unearthed (Prison Break episode)]]

message: Could somebody tell me the source for production codes on the episode pages? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 16:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are taken from TV.com. They can also be found from another site but I can't remember which one. Regards, Ladida 03:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Production codes

message: Im just very curious, how did they get the tattoos onto his body? were they temporary or stencilled on or was it like a body kit? --Chickenfeed9 17:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tattoos

message: I heated some rumors about season 3. Is it going to be s.3 ? --Göran Smith 14:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The third season hasn't been confirmed by Fox yet. Regards, 68.221.78.18 12:22, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Season 3

message: It seems it be very confusing as to who is working for the company and who is working for the secret service.  For example in "Flight" Reynolds kills the former president and tells Samantha Brinker that she no longer needs the Company (who were going to get rid of her first) and that the company would no longer work in the series.  But in recent episodes they seem to imply that Agent Kim works for the company who is run by the pad man.  On the company page on wiki it lists Kim, and the agents in montana as working for the company but i thought they were Secret Service.  DanDud88 21:10 14 Febuary 2007 (GMT)
:A good point because regarding Kim I don't think there is any proof that he is or ever was a secret service agent. His biography states that little is known about him except that his role in President Reynold’s administration somehow connected to the company and that he reports to a Pad Man who is confirmed to be a leader of the Company. But I don't think that it has to be one or the other. Bill Kim could well be a secret service agent and also be working for the Company EARONHASE 17:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Company/Secret Serivce

message: Both Mahone and Kellerman (and I think a lot more people) use Motorola Razr cellphones. This could be considered as product placement?, and should be included in the article?--ometzit<col> 03:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't include it unless there was a significant amount of product placement. Many television shows have product placement. Regards, Ladida 07:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Product placement

message: Hello guys, I'm looking into getting the Prison Break Infobox for episodes merged into . When I replace it there are two ways in which i can do this.
# replace with the normal type of episode navigation: Prev/Next episode
# keep using the season list type of navigation.
You can see an example of both types here: User:TheDJ/Sandbox
I would like to hear from everyone which type of navigation they would prefer. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 02:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poll: Prison Break episode infobox replacement 

message: * I'm a bit biased since I implemented the system in the Prison Break episode articles. The reason why I changed it was because I found it a bit annoying when I wanted to navigate to other episodes in the same season. Unlike some other shows, Prison Break is a serialised show so the storyline is developed over the season. Another reason was that some of the longer episode titles look odd (to me) when they are put on the same line. Regards, Ladida 07:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I'd like to keep a season list

message: * I personally prefer this style because I find the lists to contain too much unrelated information when you simply look from the point of the episode article itself --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 02:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Switch us to the Prev/Next system

message: A new noticeboard, Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This noticeboard has been deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard. Please disregard the above post. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New noticeboard 

message: I'm surprised no one requested semi-protection sooner - I just did and got it protected within 5 minutes, this page really needs it. The vandalism has been pretty intense. I plan on going through and finding any possible lost information over the past 2 weeks since this began; if anyone would like to help that'd be excellent. Thanks. AllynJ 02:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, wasn't that much. Just two lines that needed to be changed. Let's hope this quiets down after the 2 weeks. AllynJ 04:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Just removed the following from the article, which was recently added by User:78.0.139.163 (contribs):
===Criticism===
One of the most lacking elements of the storyline is the twist-ending at the end of each episode which has made the show predictable, knowing that even when all is well a plot twist will come into focus, prolonging the difficulties of the main characters' actions. This shows a certain lack of screenwriting originality. With the aforementioned fact the show loses any unpredictability or dramatic tension in a scene, making each episode  interesting to watch, up until the last 10-15 minutes in which another plot-twist occurs.
This shows a warped example of deus ex machina. Instead of suddenly ending the story via an improbable plot element, the show prolongs the story with unexpected elements, plot twists and characters.    
     
The final episode of the second season shows that the show could have ended in 2 seasons. However, with the announcement of a third season it is clearly shown that it has stretched beyond its original boundaries. It could have easily concluded all character plot lines in the final 5 episodes, thus making a coherent story, which is a logical conclusion, considering that Lincoln Burrows was released of all charges in the final episode. That leaves the agenda of The Company illogical, considering that they no longer have a reason to try and kill the brothers. It shows how the story could gradually slide into conspiracy-theory genre, since the "prison break" motif was present fully in the first season, and only partially in the second. Since Scofield ended up in another prison, it clearly shows the reappearing idea of a prison break, which was all but lost after the first season.
Whilst there's no doubting that this article needs such a section in order to be complete and even to some extent neutral, this is completely unsourced and possibly borderline, if not wholly, original research. Feel free to re-add it with published sources stating such claims and it's fine, but as it was it is unacceptable under WP policy. AllynJ 11:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section 

message: One of the most lacking elements of the storyline is the twist-ending at the end of each episode which has made the show predictable, knowing that even when all is well a plot twist will come into focus, prolonging the difficulties of the main characters' actions. This shows a certain lack of screenwriting originality. With the aforementioned fact the show loses any unpredictability or dramatic tension in a scene, making each episode  interesting to watch, up until the last 10-15 minutes in which another plot-twist occurs.
This shows a warped example of deus ex machina. Instead of suddenly ending the story via an improbable plot element, the show prolongs the story with unexpected elements, plot twists and characters.    
     
The final episode of the second season shows that the show could have ended in 2 seasons. However, with the announcement of a third season it is clearly shown that it has stretched beyond its original boundaries. It could have easily concluded all character plot lines in the final 5 episodes, thus making a coherent story, which is a logical conclusion, considering that Lincoln Burrows was released of all charges in the final episode. That leaves the agenda of The Company illogical, considering that they no longer have a reason to try and kill the brothers. It shows how the story could gradually slide into conspiracy-theory genre, since the "prison break" motif was present fully in the first season, and only partially in the second. Since Scofield ended up in another prison, it clearly shows the reappearing idea of a prison break, which was all but lost after the first season.
Whilst there's no doubting that this article needs such a section in order to be complete and even to some extent neutral, this is completely unsourced and possibly borderline, if not wholly, original research. Feel free to re-add it with published sources stating such claims and it's fine, but as it was it is unacceptable under WP policy. AllynJ 11:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: The article doesn't mention anywhere what (audio) languages either series is available in.  I know it's been dubbed into French.  Does anyone know about other languages?  Spanish seems likely. Gronky 12:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: german 194.97.123.108 19:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubbed in what languages? 

message: The article doesn't mention anywhere what (audio) languages either series is available in.  I know it's been dubbed into French.  Does anyone know about other languages?  Spanish seems likely. Gronky 12:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: german 194.97.123.108 19:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Chinese,bcoz i am a chinese  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charry Scofield-J (talk • contribs) 10:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubbed in what languages? 

message: Does anyone know the explanation of Scofield's tattoo, i am crazy about that,i have already watched the both seasons and wanna know that, thanks!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charry Scofield-J (talk • contribs) 10:46, 8 September 2007
:See Tattoo (Prison Break). -- Ladida 14:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scofield's tattoo 

message: Unlike Family Guy, this is not a cultural show. At least NOT in the first season. All I can see are giant pieces of summary and some trivia, so I ask, why do we need episode summaries of all episodes? I don't know what's so special about them. Info about character in the same show dying/living/making first appearance isn't a notable trivia. If it's notable enough it can be mentioned on minor characters pages or their own pages, but common, I highly doubt we'll be needing those episode articles. TheBlazikenMaster 14:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we really need the episode articles? 

message: It says that Prison Break was nominated for an Emmy, but does not even state the category and the source doesn't exist or was deleted or was moved. Or even entered incorrectly, I don't know. There is no mention of Prison Break or its nomination on the 2006 Primetime Emmy Awards page.209.91.61.223 06:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which section are you referring to? Both the introduction and the awards sections state that the Primetime Emmy award nomination was for Outstanding Main Title Theme Music. -- Ladida 12:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Primetime Emmy Awards?

message: The show (with subtitles rather than dubbing) is quite popular in Korea (www.koreafocus.or.kr/essays/view.asp?volume_id=62&... ), but I don't have any stats. Kdammers 11:32, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity out-side the U.S. 

message: Hello, I removed the citation from this sentence: "The show, currently in its third season, was originally only planned to run for two seasons."Andreeva, N, (March 21 2007) "Fox Springs Prison Break for Third Season", MSNBC.  Retrieved on March 21 2007. because the website cited was irrelevant.  I remember reading about only planning for two seasons somewhere else last year, so it should not be hard to find a source.  –thedemonhog talk • edits • box 05:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a Seattle Times article from December 11, 2005, in which Nick Santora says "We know where the show's going through Season 4, and we have ideas through Season 5. We spent the first few days after Thanksgiving breaking out details for the end of [several] episodes of Season 2 and doing the story arcs for Season 3 in great detail. We know exactly where it's going."  Seeing as this contradicts the sentence in the article, I removed it.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 01:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit late, but I found a ref which supports the claim. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 13:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Originally planned for two seasons? 

message: Should some mention of the strike and its possible repercussions be made? It is important...in my opinion anyway. (Wikirocks2 08:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WGA Writers Strike 

message: At the end of the last episode, Whistler called Susan by the name "Gretchen". Given the fact that it also appears that he is well into the conspiracy, we can assume that Susan is actually Gretchen. 69.15.129.5 17:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Susan B. Anthony is now Gretchen 

message: Speedy tag is possibly a bad faith edit. The article has several dozen independent sources. A cursory look through the FOX website doesn't indicate to me that the content is copied. Otto4711 18:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If CorenSearchBot says it's an infringement, this has to be taken serious. The page should be removed at once to avoid more trouble. 217.233.236.236 22:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed, it was trolling by our anonymous friend here. He is now blocked. henrik•talk 22:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speedy deletion contested 

message: The show is well into season three, yet the season summaries still contain preview content. I suppose this should be fixed, but I'm not sure exactly what to mention... Cctoide 22:44, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reworded it, so now it looks more like the rest. (Wikirocks2 (talk) 11:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season three 

message: Seeing as the main character is Michael Scofield, shouldn't Wentworth Miller be above Dominic Purcell in the starring section? Andy86 14:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be. Who is shown first in the opening sequence? (Wikirocks2 (talk) 11:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Purcell receives first billing.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 01:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then Purcell it is (Wikirocks2 05:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actor Listing 

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thread_title: Penitenciaría Federal de Sona

message: Over the past months, TV episodes have been redirected by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here . Even if you have not, other opinions are needed because this issue is affecting all TV episodes in Wikipedia. --Maniwar (talk) 23:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centralized TV Episode Discussion 

message: The article says "Season 3 was originally scheduled to consist of 22 episodes, however due to the WGA strike this was cut short to 13." but the episode list states "according to Fox Networks, the show will most probably go in Hiatus until new episodes can be written and produced." Neither of these statements are sourced, and they appear to contradict each other. Can anyone confirm which is correct, find a source for it, and update the articles accordingly? Kidburla (talk) 17:16, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this show on midseason hiatus or awaiting renewal? 

message: Can somebody please provide any official statement from Fox that season 3 has indeed ended? So far I can only find unsourced and contradicting arguments that the season has either concluded or that after a short hiatus additional episodes for season 3 will come out. Aidler (talk) 16:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 3 concluded? 

message: So far Prison Break has been on for a second week.
and the Prison Break wiki page still says it's coming on September 1st.
Can anyone update the outdated prison break article? 123.200.220.93 (talk) 00:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Second week of season four

message: hey people prison break season 4 is now going to end on december 22nd, i have done enough research on it recently, so feel free to ask anything to me on this page.Naimish gmit (talk) 13:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 4 

message: I think that the synopsis of season 3 mustn't give any information about season 4. Somebody can just want to recall some details of S3 before watching Season 4 and he is told that Sara's death was not real. Such "information leaks" shouldn't happen. m_gol (talk) 22:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the quotation marks and made some slight changes. Hopefully it reads better now. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 00:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 3 Synopsis and quotation marks (")