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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Corpus Christi College, Oxford, is a college of the University of Oxford, founded in 1517. I would like to merge the changes I have to made User:EdwardH/Corpus Christi College, Oxford. These changes are a revised version of those discussed two months ago. My conflict of interest is that I am currently studying at Corpus and am the Computing & Website Officer for the JCR. (It was disputed before whether this is in fact a conflict of interest.) The role is uncompensated, as is proposing these edits.
Changes from my last version:
* Updated endowment figures.
* Renamed subsections of the History section and added a few  templates.
* Removed biographical details about the fellows Jewel, Rainolds and Hooker.
* Moved the grace into the Traditions section.
* Removed lots of disjointed details about the college buildings.
* Shortened the description of the Pelican Sundial to one paragraph.
* Removed a few disjointed details about the Pelican Sundial.
There are still lots of things missing from my draft (e.g. almost all of the History section), but I think it is a considerable improvement over the current article.
EdwardH (talk) 14:25, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: spintendo  01:09, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:   Thanks for looking at this. I've removed 5 kB of the more trivial stuff and I think I've fixed the new paragraphs not conforming to summary style. (Also, should "appurtenant" be "impertinent"?) EdwardH (talk) 09:37, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you but no, the information you seek to add is clearly not impertinent. The information is appurtenant in that it does belong to a history of the college, but in this case, it is the size of that appurtenant information which is at issue, which I indicated in my response:  It would be naive to suggest that the information you have carefully collected and presented here is somehow 'impertinent'. The main concern here is to align that information with Wikipedia's requirement for WP:SS, a herculean task better suited to those with experience in the subject, which is why I suggested asking for assistance at the Oxford WikiProject. It's disappointing that no one there bothered to respond to your request. Alas, I will review and advise.  spintendo  19:48, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Many of us at the Oxford WikiProject are also conflicted (I'm a former student and former research fellow of Corpus) and so keeping out of this.  But I really don't understand the complaint about length here.  The University of Oxford article is short precisely because so much of it is spun off into sub-articles.  If you want to see what a complete article on an Oxford College looks like then look at Oriel College, Oxford which is a featured article or Jesus College, Oxford which is a good article forming part of the Wikipedia:Featured topics/Jesus College, Oxford series, including Buildings of Jesus College, Oxford which is a featured article. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 07:07, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

text: If we compare the current version of Buildings of Jesus College, Oxford with the featured article version then the changes are actually pretty modest.  Whether this would achieve featured article status now is a different question.  But for what it's worth I think that these are the sort of articles that most members of the project would consider at the very least acceptable.  I also think that your implicit self-assessment is correct, in that you don't really understand the structure and history of the University of Oxford well enough to have a reliable sense of what would make a good article.  Anyway, my own view is that some of the suggested changes are good but others are less so, and since nobody else seems to be interested I will start selectively implementing the changes I think sensible over the next few days.  Once that is done I will resume a discussion with Edward at this page about the remainder. I hope that is acceptable to all concerned. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 17:18, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

text: OK, that was quicker than I expected.  Just a rough initial merge, but I doubt I'll make very substantial further changes. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 18:08, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Has this edit request been answered? , I don't regard you as having a COI just because you're a student there. In future, I think you should go ahead and make the edits. SarahSV (talk) 21:22, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

text: I made most of the requested edits and there seems to be no further discussion so I have boldly closed this. Thanks for the reminder, Jonathan A Jones (talk) 06:13, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks for closing the request. SarahSV (talk) 18:42, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revised substantial expansion of article 

message: # This article is about one of the 38 constituent colleges operating at Oxford. However, this proposed version of the college's Wikipedia article would total 43kB in size, or roughly  the size of the entire Wikipedia article on Oxford itself. That size would be reached due in part to the large amount of appurtenant details added by this proposal. 
# The length of the proposed draft needs to be reduced, keeping in mind the requirement that all articles fit Wikipedia's summary style. This style ensures that an article does not merely become a complete exposition of all possible details, but rather, that it remains as a  of accepted knowledge regarding its subject. 
: spintendo  01:09, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:   Thanks for looking at this. I've removed 5 kB of the more trivial stuff and I think I've fixed the new paragraphs not conforming to summary style. (Also, should "appurtenant" be "impertinent"?) EdwardH (talk) 09:37, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you but no, the information you seek to add is clearly not impertinent. The information is appurtenant in that it does belong to a history of the college, but in this case, it is the size of that appurtenant information which is at issue, which I indicated in my response:  It would be naive to suggest that the information you have carefully collected and presented here is somehow 'impertinent'. The main concern here is to align that information with Wikipedia's requirement for WP:SS, a herculean task better suited to those with experience in the subject, which is why I suggested asking for assistance at the Oxford WikiProject. It's disappointing that no one there bothered to respond to your request. Alas, I will review and advise.  spintendo  19:48, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Many of us at the Oxford WikiProject are also conflicted (I'm a former student and former research fellow of Corpus) and so keeping out of this.  But I really don't understand the complaint about length here.  The University of Oxford article is short precisely because so much of it is spun off into sub-articles.  If you want to see what a complete article on an Oxford College looks like then look at Oriel College, Oxford which is a featured article or Jesus College, Oxford which is a good article forming part of the Wikipedia:Featured topics/Jesus College, Oxford series, including Buildings of Jesus College, Oxford which is a featured article. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 07:07, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

text: If we compare the current version of Buildings of Jesus College, Oxford with the featured article version then the changes are actually pretty modest.  Whether this would achieve featured article status now is a different question.  But for what it's worth I think that these are the sort of articles that most members of the project would consider at the very least acceptable.  I also think that your implicit self-assessment is correct, in that you don't really understand the structure and history of the University of Oxford well enough to have a reliable sense of what would make a good article.  Anyway, my own view is that some of the suggested changes are good but others are less so, and since nobody else seems to be interested I will start selectively implementing the changes I think sensible over the next few days.  Once that is done I will resume a discussion with Edward at this page about the remainder. I hope that is acceptable to all concerned. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 17:18, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

text: OK, that was quicker than I expected.  Just a rough initial merge, but I doubt I'll make very substantial further changes. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 18:08, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Has this edit request been answered? , I don't regard you as having a COI just because you're a student there. In future, I think you should go ahead and make the edits. SarahSV (talk) 21:22, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

text: I made most of the requested edits and there seems to be no further discussion so I have boldly closed this. Thanks for the reminder, Jonathan A Jones (talk) 06:13, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks for closing the request. SarahSV (talk) 18:42, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 15-JUL-2018

message: It would be better to merge that page with the college page. This page alone is useless. RafaelS1979 (talk) 21:48, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose: list pages are usually split off from articles as a bulleted list of names doesn't really tell the reader very much. Unless you are going to write this list as prose, it will still be a useless list. I believe these lists started after the categories for honorary fellows at Oxford were deleted. Anyway these are honorary positions, I'm not sure how influential they are overall in the history of Corpus Christi Aloneinthewild (talk) 22:33, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

text: Oppose: Aloneinthewild is right.  But this could be merged into List of Corpus Christi College, Oxford people if desired. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 06:51, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

text: Merged as suggested by Jonathan Aloneinthewild (talk) 15:39, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[List of Honorary Fellows of Corpus Christi College, Oxford]]