Talk:Mataram Sultanate

message: Beware putting simply westernised dates against such a thing as 
javanese rulers dates, or the wrath of some very good javanese historians will no doubt wrip through the edit with sacred kris in hand!  anyone can copy out a list of dates - there is a lot more to it  even in wiki sense.
Also the complete absence of the palaces and locations may read like a good thematic introduction to issues, but no mention at all is in denial! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JarrahTree (talk • contribs) 06:24, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: earlier unsigned comment

message: I'm going to remove the "List of Rulers" section, and the commentary in the text about it, which really belonged here, as follows:
:Such a list in itself is not adequately explained by the text in this article, and careful attention must be paid to the issues that arise from using western dates for Javanese events; the specific arguments used by rulers and their tendency to rebuild palaces after theirs have been affected by the various conflicts.
Basically, the List of Rulers duplicates the text, which gives the (western, yes) dates of each king's rule, placed in proper historical context. That said, it wouldn't hurt to wikilink the rulers names within the text; I should have done that when I wrote the article, so I'll do it now. I'm going to suggest using the naming scheme described in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). CDC (talk) 14:17, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Rulers

message: Any thoughts on sources for some images to go along with this article? Does anyone have easy access to some Dutch or Javanese primary sources that might have drawings of rulers - or some suggestions where I might find some (I have access to a reasonable academic library). Of course, anything we use needs to be public domain or freely-licensed (per Wikipedia:Copyright). 
I could also do a map at some point - I have access to good cartography software - though it might be several weeks at least. I think a map might really help a reader unfamiliar with Java's history and geography to figure out where all the places referred to in the text are in relation to each other. Any suggestions on this? Sources, formatting, etc? CDC (talk) 18:12, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images and maps 

message: I found other article: Yogyakarta Sultanate. As far as I know, Yogyakarta Sultanate is just the follow-up from Mataram Sultanate, isn't it? So, how about moving the other article's content here? Who's agree? — Indon (reply) — 15:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. The Yogyakarta Sultanate is the successor of the Mataram state, but it still exists under the new name and has been around for 250 years. Furthermore, this article is already quite long (>40K) without dealing with what happened after the split between Yogyakarta and Surakarta. Now, much of the content on the Sultanate of Yogyakarta (everything before 1755) duplicates what is here, and could be removed, with a relevant link here. And that article needs much more information about how the sultanate functioned under the Dutch colonial period, and independence. But then there are already a few divisions that are blank; perhaps someone will add them. If someone adds them they will then need to be split again. The Indonesian Wikipedia has separate articles as well, :id:Kesultanan Mataram and :id:Kasultanan Ngayogyakarta Hadiningrat. Rigadoun  (talk) 19:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is the case, then the problem is actually in the Yogyakarta Sultanate article, which has too many unrelated information before 1755. Good, then I will remove the tag and update the Yogyakarta Sultanate article. Thanks for your reply. — Indon (reply) — 04:26, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Saya dapat berbahasa Indonesia dan pernah tinggal di sana. Boleh pakai bahasa INA.
I'm going through the article and correcting spelling and grammar, as well as adding a few translations of words used as titles. The paragraph detailing the rebellion of Benowo and Sutawija's rebellion against Arya is confusing to me. 
1. It is not clear if Arya was and/or became the king of Pajang, Mataram and/or Demak, first of all, after deposing Benowo. At one point, it says he's the Pajang Sultan, but that was Senopati, wasn't it?
2. If Benowo and Sutawijaya defeated Arya, why does the next sentence say that Benowo bowed down to Senopati and submitted, but it says that Pajang became subordinate to Mataram, which rose to power? Senopati was the King/Sultan of Pajang, right, and Benowo didn't want to fight him, so it doesn't really make sense to me that Pajang bowed down to Mataram if Benowo submitted to Senopati.
3. I already altered that last sentence about Pajang becoming subordinate to Mataram because it was poorly written.
Someone please clarify so I can correct the text. Terima kasih/maturnuwun!ReveurGAM (talk) 16:57, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with Paragraph about Rebellion Against Arya Pangiri