Talk:Janice Raymond

message: Perhaps this article requires a disambiguation page if there are more than one notable Janice Raymonds. -Iluvitar 20:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled comment 

message: The paragraph in which that sentence appears needs to be re-written to remove bias, or else deleted. -Skoojal (talk) 00:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  the founding mother of transphobic feminism 

message: She appears to have been successful in accessing funds from some otherwise conservative US government agencies. Has this been the subject of controversy within US feminist circles? -Calibanu (talk) 04:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Funding Sources?

message: Another editor attempted to replace the article in full, with another article, which, among other things, deletes any reference to her infamous campaigns against trans womyn, including her outing Sandy Stone, her authorship of The Transsexual Empire in 1979, including the new intro she wrote in 1994, etc. While correction of specific details is appropriate, this whitewash was not. 72.83.168.24 (talk) 22:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  This article in the past has gotten perilously close to PR-generated, as much of her body of work is specifically aimed against trans people (specifically women).  It's her shtick. 98.225.230.65 (talk) 20:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Attempted substitution of new article

message: At first glance, the article has several issues:
* When was Janice Raymond born? The two versions give two different years. Citations would be very helpful, but, in A Passion for Friends, she discusses joining a convent before Vatican II, and she mentions that most novices joined at between 17 and 25, which seems more consistent with 1943 than 1949.
* It might help to note that she was a nun - which would be important to several of her works.
* It might help to include a complete listing of her works.
* It might help to discuss her main ideas, if we can find suitable RS. Marja Erwin (talk) 23:18, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am amazed that such a hateful woman ever aspired to become a nun.  --98.225.230.65 (talk) 20:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: How can we improve the article?

message: This article seems to becoming the victim of apparently biased editing. I removed several BLP violations and examples of vandalism from this article, but an editor, Marja Erwin, restored them - including an unsourced claim about the sexuality of the subject of this article. Marja Erwin actually accused me of 'whitewashing' this article for removing the BLP violations and vandalism. I have now removed the unsourced claims about Raymond again, and I am prepared to keep doing that if they are restored again. BLP, which I recommend that Marja Erwin read, allows this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.30.64 (talk) 00:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the past, this article has had problems with people removing any reference to Raymond's transphobic career. I mistook 172's edits for another attempt to remove the references. As far as Raymond's sexuality goes, she discusses it in her books, and other writers do the same. Marja Erwin (talk) 00:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

text: My first reaction was correct. 172 attempted to remove the multiply-sourced statement about Raymond's political attacks on trans womyn from the lead. Marja Erwin (talk) 00:33, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP violations 

message: I'd like to know what their concerns are and if they have any suggestions for improvement.Marja Erwin (talk) 14:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Someone put up a POV Dispute to the notes

message: Despite any POV issues that may exist, the fact remains that Janice Raymond is not a feminist by virtue of her anti-transsexual works. Per Wikitionary, feminism is defined as "A social theory or political movement supporting the equality of both sexes in all aspects of public and private life; specifically, a theory or movement that argues that legal and social restrictions on females must be removed in order to bring about such equality." Janice Raymond's work is about spreading fear and hatred of transsexual people amongst the people - something that is arguably not feminist. JessicaSideways (talk) 21:33, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Specifically, she is part of the particular stream of feminism called radical lesbians or radical lesbian feminism, which holds view very different from those of mainstream feminism. Kemmabrant (talk) 11:16, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Please discuss what WP:Reliable sources say, not personal opinions or advocacy group websites. Carolmooredc  (Talkie-Talkie) 16:37, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  At least we can agree she is NOT a feminist 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The RfC consensus is:  we should generally provide in text attribution when using the term "TERF" in a BLP.  Pyxis Solitary  yak 11:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Decision on: Labeling or categorizing BLP subjects as TERFs or trans-exclusionary radical feminists

message: Much of the content in this article is taken directly from Raymond's website, creating a conflict of interest. Most of the information is fine but there are some instances where the NPOV policy may be questionable. Added a NPOV warning on the page. 131.229.119.86 (talk) 03:28, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Which content is taken directly from Janice Raymond's website? Hist9600 (talk) 14:16, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Following up from this, it looks like at least some biographical material was either copied from the subject's personal website. Or that the subject copied material from Wikipedia. https://web.archive.org/web/20240105005015/https://janiceraymond.com/about/ Hist9600 (talk) 13:35, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Reviewing the content, there are definitely overlaps affecting three sections of the Wikipedia article ("Academic career", "Advocacy work", "Awards and honors"). However, Janice Raymond's website only goes back to 2014, from what I can see. And the content that I'm seeing affected goes back to at least 2010 on Wikipedia. As a result, the copying appears to have been from Wikipedia to Janice Raymond's personal website. In that case, I don't see any NPOV or copyright violation issue with the Wikipedia article specifically. Hist9600 (talk) 13:49, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

text: I have added a tag indicating that article content appears to have been copied to the author's website. The website has since gone offline, starting several months ago. The last snapshot I'm seeing on the Internet Archive was from January 2024. Hist9600 (talk) 14:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues with WP:BLPSELFPUB