Talk:Zanbatō

message: I would like to point out, that in the Manga series "Lone Wolf and Cub" (Kozure Okami) there are numerous situations, when opponents of Ittô Ôgami comment on his fighting stance. In these cases they usually call that Suiô Ry Zanbatô, so that it appears as if it would also be the stance before the beginning of the fight.
:My comics are packed up right now, but I recall it bein the stance and the related stroke which he'd use to cut people in half. Don't remember him ever going out of his way to use it only against cavalry. Highlandlord 11:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible other explanation 

message: === Another possible fictional occurrence ===
Would the Banryuu used by Bankotsu be a Zanbato?  It certainly looks the part at first glance. The current version of his article describes Banryuu as a "ogon sword".  I found no references about that expression.  Would it by chance by synonymous with Zanbato? 
Also - didn't one of the Nightstalkers (characters from a fairly old video game which featured Morrigan (a witch) among other light-hearted horror characters) also use a Zanbato? Luis Dantas 05:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There are plenty of swords in the world that are large but wouldn't be considered a Zanbato. The Buster Sword doesn't need to be added to the list. -- GYC
In Samurai Warriors, one of the swords used by Ranmaru Mori is called "Zamba", which is short for zambato.  However, it is not as thick as weapons described in this article.  It's merely a slightly thicker and longer version of his origonal sword-- the No-Dachi.  If someone wants to edit this in, go ahead. --209.30.174.157 17:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fictional use

message: Would the Banryuu used by Bankotsu be a Zanbato?  It certainly looks the part at first glance. The current version of his article describes Banryuu as a "ogon sword".  I found no references about that expression.  Would it by chance by synonymous with Zanbato? 
Also - didn't one of the Nightstalkers (characters from a fairly old video game which featured Morrigan (a witch) among other light-hearted horror characters) also use a Zanbato? Luis Dantas 05:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There are plenty of swords in the world that are large but wouldn't be considered a Zanbato. The Buster Sword doesn't need to be added to the list. -- GYC
In Samurai Warriors, one of the swords used by Ranmaru Mori is called "Zamba", which is short for zambato.  However, it is not as thick as weapons described in this article.  It's merely a slightly thicker and longer version of his origonal sword-- the No-Dachi.  If someone wants to edit this in, go ahead. --209.30.174.157 17:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another possible fictional occurrence 

message: I think what this article needs is to seperate an anime weapon from a real weapon. Of course that weapon that Sano uses in Kenshin can't be real, the blade is too long and wide to be of any use and couldn't cut anything, plus with the weight the pole would snap. But it looks cool in the anime. Also why are a bunch of unrelated things listed? The Buster sword might be huge but it has never been called a Zanbato by of the proper people. The claim that the weapon from Gundam SEED is even stupider, being a beam weapon. Sounds like alot of original research. Highlandlord 10:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Distinguish from fictional use 

message: The sword is probably used for ceremonial purposes. A curved sword this large would've been extremely unwieldy. The zhanmahdao, however, was mostly straight and curved near the end/tip - which would make it a more stable weapon.
Intranetusa (talk) 22:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ceremonial use

message: "However, the historical use of a sword this size is actually as a temple offering."
I don't seem to understand what this means. Some explanation is needed, as well as a source. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ring Finger (talk • contribs) 08:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: A picture (a drawing, I guess, since it seems fictional) of the weapon would be welcome. —Vivacissamamente 09:18, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: Hmm, the more I try to research this, the more confused I get. Trying to find a Japanese-language resource gets me , which uses the word zanbatō and describes it as a "cavalier killer", but the picture looks more like a long katana or nodachi than the crazy thing Sanosuke has. Did Watsuki Nobuhiro just invent a cool weapon and give it the name of a completely different historical sword? It would be nice if someone knowledgeable about feudal Japanese weaponry could help out here. DopefishJustin (・∀・) 03:04, May 26, 2004 (UTC)
:Never heard of this type of a sword in Japanese history context. I think this is a fictional weapon. jni 13:16, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional? 

message: Time for this section to go, I think. Despite the added text that states no additions of weapons that aren't actually a zanbato, people continue to add every single oversized sword in every anime or video game ever. We've had greatswords, guan daos, katanas, zweihanders and all manner of swords and polearms which aren't technically relevant at all. And if we didn't keep trimming it every time somebody added another obscure anime/manga/video game weapon, it would be a list longer than the the rest of the article by now. I can put up with the article having no references, as the information is plausible, well-written and based upon a subject which is almost rumour in itself. But let's kick this crufty "modern fiction" section to the curb. It's dragging the article down. Gamer Junkie T / C 11:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Zanmato" means "magic-cutting blade" or "demon-cutting blade", not "horse-cutting blade" - it is not an alternate rendering. I've seen plenty of zanmato in games which are effective against mystical creatures but not particularly large. Added to that, "zanber" is not derived from zanbato. It's a portmanteau of "zan" (cut) and saber, which shows up in plenty of Japanese works. References were removed. 86.46.72.88 (talk) 01:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Zanbato in modern fiction" 

message: This article goes to alot of effort to say noone ever used them in battle, something I find very unlikely. You can proof how foolish and costly it is all you want, it was also very foolish and costly to make incredibly expensive (in metals, monies, manpower and men) battleships instead of aircraft carriers, a fact that Yamamoto himself argued before he died. I'd like to see you go back in time and explain to a samurai (never mind the language gap) why he shouldn't use such a large sword, why bigger ISN'T better, a fact that we still haven't completely grasped. Some samurai probably did use some, probably not very many, given the cost and difficulty of use, quite a few of them probably died proving your math right. But you have no sources that say none of them were ever used. I'm gonna see about changed the article to be less opionated in that way.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 09:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, by no means is this a fictional sword. The media versions of it are, certainly, but the sword it self, even if never really used in the field (although that they may of based it off of the Chinese sword suggests that they also based uses for it off of the Chinese), it is not fictional, fictional means not real, art is real.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 09:31, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to draw this discussion towards a similar sword, the Zwehänder, from Europe. This sword is up to 2meteres (six feet) and is proven to have been used. Secondly would also like to draw you attention to the fact that there are several specialized ways to use a sword, there being more than fifty different ways to use the Grossmesser. Thirdly, it is important to remember that something that is big and expensive, like the Hover Dam and the Zanbato might be better than the dam you make in the stream behind your house or a tanto if used corectly. 
Moskus  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.52.29.72 (talk) 18:00, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion 

message: According to this article 斬馬刀 Zanbatō is "literally 'horse-slaying sword' or 'horse-chopping saber'" while 斬馬刀 zhǎn mǎ dāo is "literally 'horse-cutting blade'." This suggests that the Japanese word has a different 'literal' meaning than its Chinese counterpart. I know nothing about the sword or swords in question, but I know that in either Japanese or Mandarin those three characters literally mean behead-horse-sword. Cnilep (talk) 19:05, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  斬馬刀 ≠ 斬馬刀 ? 

message: Is this a proper noun in English? Unless there's a good reason I'm missing as to why this should be capitalized while, say, katana, ōdachi and wakizashi are not, it shouldn't be. This should also be determined so that the first sentence can be rewritten. Currently, it is not a complete sentence. 108.34.186.243 (talk) 15:22, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization