Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 17

message: The project banner is growing too big with all the new parameters, portals and other information. Talk pages are starting to get too cluttered due to this. I am testing a new layout where all that detail gets hidden except for the quality scale. With a click of a button, an interested viewer can see all the information. I wanted to get an opinion from everyone whether to proceed with this. I have also removed Guidelines and Noticeboard links. I have them linked on the Indian project navigation bar. Here is how it will look,

Please comment. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 03:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which WikiProject of India is supporting the article should not be hidden in my opinion, because people could know more about the project by doing so. The article goes to Category:"portalname" portal selected articles, but all the portals do not have the same category for portal. e.g. Portal:Government of India. Could one link for selected articles on this portal be made available on the template? Regards,  Shyam (T/C) 08:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the 2nd one showing the class and workgroup looks good. The rest of the information is not really critical and can be hidden -- Lost(talk) 02:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, second one looks better. Could the line stated "For more information, please visit the project page." be removed because the link for project page is same as stated in previous line i.e. WikiProject India. For Portal:Government of India, is it possible to make seperate link similar to Portal:India.  Shyam (T/C) 10:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lost, Shyam, Thanks for your comments. I have rephrased the line, to "If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.". It helps recruiting new members. If we do that for GOI, we will have do it for all other portals too, the template gets too complicated. The banner helps categorize the articles as selected. The rest of information can be obtained on the group-portal itself. I am moving the changes to the template now. Thanks again, Ganeshk (talk) 18:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project banner change 

message: Government of India Portal  is on peer review of India WikiProject. Please suggest to make it improve on the Peer-review page. Regards,  Shyam (T/C) 11:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Portal:Government of India|Government of India Portal]]  is on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Peer review|peer review]] 

message: Our success was being talked about :) GizzaChat © 04:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite interesting how well the Indian side of Wikipedia has done, but with that in mind, India does have the largest number of English-speakers in the world. Nobleeagle  [TALK] [C] 06:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kudos to all FA and DYK authors. Great job! - Ganeshk (talk) 06:51, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:Main_Page#Obscurity]] 

message: I prodded it, as I can't verify the term; can somebody more familiar with India look at it and check if it is a hoax or a misspelled but encyclopedic article?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  15:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Input very much appreciate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mall sainthwar, there are users citing non-English sources that we have trouble veryfing.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  22:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Please see WP:RS#Sources_in_languages_other_than_English. Foreign language sources are acceptable, but English ones are prefferable. Also, since there are for obvious reasons not useful for most of our readers, it would be good if some users proficient in that language could verify that such books exist and contain the mentioned information, in light of this information being non-existant in English sources.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  17:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Mall sainthwar]]/[[Mall sainthwar rajputs]]

message: There is a disagreement on the Talk:India about whether a local language script map is suitable for the demographics section. Additional comments at the article's talk page will really help. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 16:59, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes...It would be lot of mess and there will be disputes of what language is spoken most. - Ganeshk (talk) 17:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not put the map in another article, perhaps List of national languages of India and link to it from India?  --BostonMA talk 17:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The map is nice, but I agree with Boston MA, that it should illustrate the national langs of India.Bakaman Bakatalk 19:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Why is Pondicherry written in the Malayalam script on the map?  Also, Andhra is missing a Pradesh in its name.  Can these problems be fixed? -- Arvind 22:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Local language map 

message: There are a lot of articles at the Catalan wikipedia, based on the entirely fictional website dalitstan.org. These include :ca:Hezb-i-Mughalstan, Front d'Allberament de Rajputana (anyone ever heard of the Rajputana Liberation Front?), etc. See :ca:Categoria:Partits polítics de l'Índia. --Soman 21:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, now that dalitstan got banned in India, Barcelona seems to be their new hub. HIM is no political party. At best its Anti-Hindu cruft, at worst its akin with SIMI. Bakaman Bakatalk 01:30, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is that HIM doesn't, and never did, exist. Its just one of many imaginary outfits whose sole existance is on the dalistan website. --Soman 11:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Good point.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dalitstan-based articles at Catalan wiki 

message: Does anyone know when the last census with caste-based data was taken? I think it was 1931 but I need to be sure before I write an article. Thanks in advance. --Antorjal 17:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need some info 

message: I have uploaded a lot of pictures of the Malibu Hindu Temple in Calabasas, California. I was thinking to get a FP nom while taking the pics. :)  Please do check out and comment. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 00:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This one which has a lunar halo around the top of the tower is great! You have my vote in WP:FPC. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 10:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was the lone old picture of the lot. I had uploaded it in December 2005. It failed a Indian portal selected picture nom. Did not bother to take it any further. Thanks for your comment though. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 20:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hindu temple in Malibu 

message: I have added all the sub-groups under WikiProject India to the Version 1.0 project. I updated the project's navigation bar to show the individual group's statistics at the bottom. This helps each group to work individually on the quality, while the quality of the articles in the project overall gets improved too. Please check bottom of the navigation bar of the Kerala project for an example. You should see 1FA and 1A quality articles. Please let me know if you have any questions or clarifications. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 07:33, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To explain a little further, a bot, Mathbot runs through this list of projects and creates statistics and log pages for each project (every night at 3 AM UTC). For example, the following are Kerala-related pages that the bot updates, Kerala articles by quality, Kerala articles by quality statistics, and Kerala articles by quality log. I request work-group members watch list the quality log page, to look out for vandalism. Vandalism would include removing the ratings from talk pages. Such changes will displayed bolded on the log page. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 18:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Workgroup-level quality statistics 

message: I was just creating the Warangal Airport article and when I looked at the AAI site it shows the city and airport as being spelled "Warrrangal". The city article uses on one "R". Is the two "R"s an unofficial or alternate spelling? There is nothing in the city article to indicate the use of "rr". Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 09:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The official website of the Government of Andhra Pradesh spells it as Warangal.. The National Institute of Technology (the premier institute of the region) also spells it as Warangal. So, one 'R' must be the official spelling. I am not sure about the "rr" spelling. Someone from Andhra must verify that. Google gives many hits for warrangal for it to be a typo. - Aksi_great (talk) 16:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warangal 

message: Need comments here. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 22:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tamil Nadu location categorisation 

message: I've been thinking on this for a bit and I don't feel its appropriate to list notices of RfAs of Indian editors at INWNB - it is not dignified (in terms of bringing it to attention outside of WP:RFA). Additionally, others could allege (with a level of justification) that there is "networking" going on between Indian editors. I suggest that we remove that RfA column from the collaborations list (that's strange for a start - why is a request for adminship a "collaboration?"). What say? Rama's arrow 02:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To add, I don't think such a listing would be justified anywhere outside of WP:RFA, so I don't think we should emulate any other notice board or wikiproject. Rama's arrow 02:54, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It should go. -- Ganeshk (talk) 03:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree too. In fact, this was actually made into an issue in somebody's (whom I'm not able to recall) RfA. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think DaGizza was accused of advertising. I don't mind, because I have RFA Monitoring in my side toolbox to keep up with things, but I believe in my early days it was immensely useful to know whether an Indian user was going for RFA. Most of us haven't simply voted support simply because their Indian (I remember by memory that I voted against User:Sukh). Up to you guys in the end. Nobleeagle  [TALK] [C] 07:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am all for removing it from collaboration dashboard. Definitely RfA is not a collaboration. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: That's exactly the point - anyone going for an RfA shouldn't be classified as an Indian or anybody else. Its best to just check WP:RFA and its certainly not a "collaboration." Rama's arrow 11:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Does WP:ER fall into the same rationale? I would think it does, except that its largely harmless - a review is a request for advice, criticism aimed at self-improvement. Rama's arrow 14:48, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ER does not fall into it. The rationale will apply to anything that involves voting, WP:RFA, Deletion sorting, WP:RM, WP:FAC, WP:FPC, WP:FLC etc. There is no consensus yet on these. Some people still feel posting on regional noticeboards will result in vote-stacking. -- Ganeshk (talk) 00:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Those which have to do with editors and not content are, IMO not to be advertised. India-topics articles and their issues are obviously relevant to INWNB. Rama's arrow 15:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfA notice 

message: Hi all,
I recently had a conversation with User:Darwinek about Categories.  Find it HERE.  If Darwinek is right as he most probably is, I guess we all have a hell of a lot of cleaning up to do on India related articles.  Please take a look at the conversation and comment below.   Sarvagnya 21:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, User:Darwinek is right. The cycles should be avoided -- a tree structure should be maintained wherever possible. Please see the guidelines on Wikipedia:Categorization#Some_general_guidelines: "Articles should not usually be in both a category and its subcategory". While diffusing :Category:Universities and colleges in India, I encountered many such cases, and fixed them. utcursch | talk 13:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories and Categorisation of India related articles 

message: Can someone look at the modern politics section please. It looks in bad shape. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Andhra Pradesh]] 

message: Hi, I have request that the History of Tamil Nadu be peer reviewed. Can you please take a look and offer suggestions for improvement? Thanks - Parthi talk/contribs 10:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[History of Tamil Nadu]] peer review 

message: Happy Diwali and New Year to all! Rama's arrow 15:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Happy and prosperous Diwali and New Year wishes to all. Shreshth91, That pic is beautiful. -- Ganeshk (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't wish anyone yesterday as I was busy celebrating, so I guess it's a happy belated Diwali to everyone on Wiki! Nobleeagle  [TALK] [C] 01:32, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Happy Diwali to everybody!--Dwaipayan (talk) 09:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A very happy diwali to all from me too. - Aksi_great (talk) 09:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: From me too! utcursch | talk 10:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Happy Diwali! Effer 20:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Happy Diwali  

message: The article Why did the chicken cross the road? provides a supposed origin for the joke which is cited to an article in the Hindi-language edition of Reader's Digest (Sarvottam) from July 1992. However, there are several problems with the origin cited. Could someone with access to the relevant magazine issue review the original article and confirm that what the magazine says agrees with what is stated in the Wikipedia article? I wonder if the Wikipedia editor who added this part of the article may have misunderstood what the magazine article said. Thank you. --Metropolitan90 19:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Hindi [[Reader's Digest]], July 1992  

message: I want to ask how others feel about the new bunch of wikiprojects and portals created. Its obvious that wikiprojects and portals can be created for each Indian state and major city, but I don't think its likely that a healthy rate of activity and results will be sustained - consider the Indian states and districts wikiprojects. Take a look at the Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Cartography - its made considerable progress but its also a unique topic. 
It was absolutely cool how WP India consolidated other India wikiprojects. I suggest it would be better to create projects/portals based on zones and specific subjects like India maps. I also think discretion is need in creating these ventures. Can we issue a formal guideline or discussion? Rama's arrow 00:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can also understand the argument that there is a lot of work that can be done per state. But we have to consider the issues of running a wikiproject - its better to have projects on broad topics and work with an all-India perspective. Rama's arrow 00:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we are need of a "Indian culture" WikiProject, which would be an umbrella for many smaller projects. Areas like Indian music, arts, sports (doesn't only pertain to cricket - includes hockey, kabaddi), cuisine, cinema (already have one), clothing and literature are underdeveloped compared to our cities, history and politics. GizzaChat © 00:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: No the question was do we need a reorganization of efforts or putting a block on miscellaneous creations of India-related wikiprojects. Rama's arrow 00:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: As long as there is interest and participation, we should not restrict creation of these smaller projects. I have seen Australian project have sub-projects at city level. For example, Adelaide. Whatever little the sub-projects do, it is going to help the root project a lot. I am thinking the opposite, if we create a wikiproject for a broad subject like Culture wikiproject, the participation will be minimal. More people will be interested in joining smaller projects like, Dance, Music, Cinema, Sports etc. Just my 2c. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 00:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Funnily enough, I think you make a very good point. Also, the issue includes portals, which I think require more in terms of limitations. Its not appropriate to create portals that are not of a broad topic - I would happily propose Portal:Hyderabad for deletion because even the lead article is not an FA. I suggest we develop a WP India guideline to replace the portal proposals page which was struck down. Rama's arrow 01:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your Portal:Hyderabad's deletion nom will fail. :) There is no requirement for a the lead article of a portal to be FA. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its unlikely to fail because "not even the lead article" is FA. There are no other sizable articles on Hyderabad, so whats the difference between the article itself and the portal? Rama's arrow 01:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What I said was not in a serious note. I apologize for any offence. Portals can expand on templates such Topics related to Kochi. If we can find so many articles for Kochi, the same should be case for Hyd. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 03:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: What offence? Did you think I was terse, then I apologize. I was merely pointing out that there are no sizable articles, let alone FAs for Hyderabad-related topics, so the deletion nom for the portal would, IMO definitely pass. Somebody has to do something fast about Hyderabad portal's issues. Rama's arrow 04:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I requested Chirags to take a look at it. He was active in getting Hyd to FA some time back. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 04:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with you on the Portals. I think interest in them will last for the short term, they will lose their "current-ness" in a few months. For that reason, I feel they should not have information that needs updating regularly. They should simply point to static related content of the subject. That way they are current for ever. If this is followed, we can have unlimited number of portals without depending on anyone to update them. I like the portal process since it gives a reader links to various resources related to the subject. But they got to be static. I also notice a lot of templates (selected article, picture etc) getting created for each portal and they are starting to clutter talk pages. I wasn't for a selected article process at the portal level since the beginning. It's a unnecessary fork of the WP:FA process. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The portals should simply display FA articles related to the subjects continuously (in a loop). Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: "...replace the portal proposals page which was struck down..." Can you eloborate? What's this portal proposal? Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: see WP:P/P. Rama's arrow 01:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 03:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: On this note, someone should take a look at Portal:Tamil Nadu. Is anyone working on it? The Silent Contributor 05:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  yes, Portal:Tamil Nadu is in a bad state. In fact, Portal: Goa is also in bad state. Look at the selected biography and quotes sections. Seems to be sort of vandalism but could not be sure! Have left a message to the creator of the portal.--Dwaipayan (talk) 09:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiprojects and portals 

message: All the Lok Sabha constituencies have suffix (Lok Sabha Constituency). It should be replaced by (Lok Sabha constituency). Capital "C" should be replaced by small "c", like all the UK Parliament constituencies, Irish constituencies. Please suggest about these moves. We have completed more than 100 constituencies.  Shyam (T/C) 14:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will see if I can automate these moves using a bot. I will let you know what I find out. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 18:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lok Sabha constituencies 

message: Special:Recentchangeslinked/Template:WPIndia_Navigation will help you find out all the changes that happened to the India project and it's sub-projects. You can find this link on the top of the navigation bar as part of "(e - c)". -- Ganeshk (talk) 00:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, thanks for the link!!! I have been searching for this for a long time. The Silent Contributor 07:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can link to such RecentChanges pages in your side-toolbar. See my monobook under the relevant section. Nobleeagle  [TALK] [C] 07:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tip 

message: We finally have a solution for Nichalp's request. Presenting you with the metropolitan cities of India:
Yay!!! :) -- Ganeshk (talk) 23:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried this on 2006 ICC Champions Trophy. It came out nicely. -- Ganeshk (talk) 00:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plotting multiple cities 

message: Portal:Tamil was ceated by Mayooresan on April 6, 2006. The portal is at very initial level. It contains only a small introduction only. I propose it to be deleted.  Shyam (T/C) 17:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, especially as Portal:Tamil Nadu has a better, wider scope. Rama's arrow 19:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Portal:Tamil]] 

message: Please have a look at this entry, which I submitted following Shyam Bihari's comment above. Rama's arrow 20:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Tamil]] 

message: (Posted this in the wrong page yesterday)
*British Raj → British India : Talk:British_Raj#Requested_move_2
*Himalayas → Himalaya (debate over) Tintin (talk) 12:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested moves  

message: In September, Jimbo Wales visited Bangalore, and during the meeting with him, he mentioned that he was very keen to see the Indian language Wikipedias gain more prominence. One of the factors involved in this is awareness, and getting the word out not just about Wikipedia, but the Indian Language Wikipedias, and getting more people involved, plays a big role here.
For the past six years, my team and I have been running India's largest Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) event, earlier known as "Linux Bangalore", and now known as FOSS.IN. The idea behind the event is both to highlight the Indian FOSS community, and to encourage more people to contribute to FOSS and FOSS-related projects.
As I said here, Wikipedia is about as FOSS as a project can get, so it is dead in line with the objectives of FOSS.IN. With this in mind, I have invited the Indian Wikipedia community to participate in the event, which runs from November 24-26 in Bangalore, India. At this event, we have a "FOSS Expo" which is used to demonstrate FOSS projects and invite participation in them. 
To enable these projects to participate and exhibit, we provide PCs, connectivity, table space, etc. to the exhibitors, and all for free. Our only requirement is the facilities provided are used to demonstrate actual FOSS projects, and Wikipedia, specifically the Indian Language Wikipedias, is totally qualified for this.
You can read more about this here. If you are interested in participating, do get in touch with me, or join the [mailing list]. User:Utcursch has already indicated that he would be attending the event and would love to participate, so you could possibly sync with him as well.
I look forward to the Wikipedia community's participation at FOSS.IN.
Achitnis 14:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am awaiting for that elusive North Indian event to happen too :( -- Lost(talk) 14:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invitation to Indian WP editors to participate in FOSS.IN/2006