Talk:Erie people

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_poison#cite_note-16 is not correct and the statement in the artcle is incorrect that poisoned arrows were not in use in North America.  http://www.utexas.edu/utpress/excerpts/exjonpoi.html--98.85.199.92 (talk) 22:55, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: The Westo theory is interesting info. Please reference.  Thanks!
 --Erielhonan 06:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought I had at least mentioned the author's name, oops!  Anyway, added a reference to the book.  It is an interesting theory, although like most ideas about this era, will probably remain a theory..  the timing, geography, and described characteristics make an intriguing link though..  Pfly 19:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: The claims that were being made in that contribution are not supported by the mainstream social sciences of history or archeology. Please do not repost that material unless you can provide a citation from a reputable previously published source as per Wikipedia policy in WP:PROVEIT. thanks Deconstructhis (talk) 17:38, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm kind of surprised that the "Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation" don't have a Wikipedia article about them yet. Someone should go to work on that. Deconstructhis (talk) 21:39, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're unrecognized, with very little documentation.  In order for them to even have an article, there needs to be some authorative scholarly source for citation... their own webpage and their name popping up in a handful of newspaper articles on matter not regarding them don't count... interesting to read, but not good enough for stand-alone citations. CJLippert (talk) 00:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Claims regarding the Erie Nation and the "ohio moundbuilders"

message: I have removed the external link to this website as per WP:EL and
WP:LINKS. I did some Google sampling of this part of the site:
http://www.eriemoundbuilders.com/erie_indian_history/
and discovered that for the most part it appears to be cut and pasted verbatim from a number of different online sources of material, some of which are obviously protected by current copyright, but presented without any indication of permission for use. The Moundbuilder site includes a number of citations,some of which may reflect true original sources, but apart from a section roughly in the middle of the page, I was unable to locate *any* material that hadn't been quoted verbatim from uncited sources. This situation is compounded by the fact that the Moundbuilder site makes a claim at the bottom of the page that the material included on their site is protected by their own current copyright, without any apparent acknowledgement of the rights of what appears to be the actual original copyright holders themselves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links
"Sites that violate the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website has licensed the work. Knowingly directing others to a site that violates copyright may be considered contributory infringement. If you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work." 
Deconstructhis (talk) 19:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of External Link to "Erie Indian Moundbuilders Tribal Nation" Website

message: Absolutely no mention of the Iriquois practicing genocide on the Huron and the Erie.  Now the white man . . . . .24.10.111.154 (talk) 02:49, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something missing 

message: "In the Genesee country and along Lake Erie were the Seneca and Erie tribes, who were in constant intercourse and perhaps allied for defense. On both sides of the Niagara River were the villages of the Attiwandaronk or Neuter tribe looked upon as an old and parent body of all the Huron-Iroquois stock. Ji-gon-sa-she (Ye-gowane), the "Mother of Nations," the woman who was recognized as a lineal descendant of "the first woman on earth," e. g., the direct descendant of the first Iroquoian family, lived in a Neuter village near the Niagara; and the tribe enjoyed enhanced prestige in consequence. Some eastern settlements were occupied by a band known as the Wenro; they were of the neuter tribe.
When the idea of an Iroquian confederacy was conceived, presumably by the Seneca, the Erie nation could not be persuaded, and the southern Iroquois were not at all attracted. The neuters seemed to see no need of entering the league, for in their distinctive place as the parent nation they did not anticipate that either of the main branches--their Huron and Iroquois kin--of the parent stock would cease to respect their ancient authority. Hence, only the Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga and Seneca tribes subscribed tot he articles of friendship which created the Iroquois Confederacy, or Long House as it was otherwise called." -- The History of New York State, Lewis Historical Publishing Company, Inc., 1927 [Authorities--this chapter is based mainly upon, and indeed may be considered an abridgment of, the excellent and exhaustive "Archeological History of New York," written by Arthur C. Parker, State Archeologist, and published in 1922 by the University of the State of New York, as Nos. 235, 236, 237, 238 of the "New York State Museum Bulletin." Another principal source is "Aboriginal occupation of New York," by Dr. Wm. M. Beauchamp, published in "New York State Museum Bulletin," 1900, No. 32. Conaughy (talk) 17:48, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately at the moment I'm away from my own sources in terms of being able to cite exactly on this topic, but I am aware that the mainstream of modern archeology has moved decisively away from the notion that Iroquoian cultures are all derived from a "single source", an idea that was quite popular at one time. The modern perspective is that although obviously these cultures are closely related and various forms of exchanges occurred through time, that each of them can be demonstrated archaeologically to have been derived from preexisting cultures in situ, in the geographical regions that we've learned to associate them with. I have no objection in principle in laying out in an article the various past dominant paradigms explaining Iroquoian cultural development through time, but I question the value of them appearing in every article dealing with each specific Iroquoian nation. It seems to me that one possible 'best fit' for presenting those ideas is in the "Iroquoian" article itself. When I regain access to my own sources, I'll post more specifics. cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 18:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referenced for your consideration 

message: In my opinion those editors who are interested in contributing to articles regarding historical Iroquoian/Mississauga cultural matters in the Toronto region in general, may be interested in reading the following.
A quick Internet search for Mr. "Redwolf" [Nexus news is best] and connected interests, indicates to me that many of the (in my opinion) "questionable" editing choices in Toronto regional historical native articles, over the past while, reflect a theoretical bias toward the ideas of a U.S. based group who call themselves the "Erie Moundbuilders Tribal Nation", with whom Mr. "Redwolf" apparently now publicly self identifies. Those of you who have edited articles in the recent past on these subjects will probably quickly recognize this group. (see news story link above and past versions and discussion pages of Neutral Nation and Teiaiagon articles.) regards Deconstructhis (talk) 22:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Some Current Context To Consider When Editing Lower Great Lakes Natives Historical Articles

message: Substituted at 00:59, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I learned as a kid that "Erie" meant Irish. What is going on with this article?2601:806:4301:C100:1998:8B54:5EDF:5A18 (talk) 01:14, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish 

message: I've been researching a variety of things long term to figure out who Ohio's original inhabitants were. Unfortunately, I need to point out that, it appears, the Petun, Susquehannocks & Calicua controlled most of the land being attributed to the Erie. In the book "The Manitous" by Basil Johnson, it also seems that the Cat nation were a major issue to them in Lake Huron historically, which would push them into Canada. I will try to put in resources here, but I also edited the "History of Ohio" page. You can check out my research points and ideas there if you want. I want to say more, but I don't have time. Will try again another day. Thank you. Bobbotronica (talk) 20:45, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem With Eries' Location 

message: Instead of saying that the Erie territory was where New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio are now, I think it would be better to describe it as the land surrounding Lake Erie to the South. Describing the land using state names accepts the colonizer mindset because it anachronistically adopts colonizer names.--Miaonl (talk) 22:25, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: We are still alive and well. The truth is we been reclassified as negro, black, colored, moors, mullato,african americans etc..... Our people been killed only on paper with pen never physically, because we were fierce warriors and had strong matriarchs. We dont care for mere titles all we care about is each other and the land. We heard the false stories being told and ignored them not out of remaining silent but out of being private and non confrontational. We give our cultures word of mouth and dont record them thats why people dont know our backgrounds because we stayed true and humble, quiet. That is how we won all of our wars the real ones. Take it from the horses mouth. 
So if you see a copper colored ab Origine walking amoung you in the great lakes of the long tail just know that it is one of us and to leave unencumbered we like it better this way. By the way there are alot of posers out there claiming to be Iroquois .......them are not the people and they have sold stolen lands. Good day Good people enjoy life life is precious and very short lived . 
The last cat standing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reyna miiso lil leone (talk • contribs) 04:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  erie so called