Talk:Multiplayer game

message: All the computer and video game content is now at Multiplayer video game. This page should obviously be for the more general concept. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I played Spacewar on a PDP back in 1970s, loading the program on paper tape and so was part of this history.  But I don't consider it a multiplayer game or special in the history of multiplayer games.  For thing, it didn't allow more than two players and so doesn't qualify. But to help out I'll add a See also section in which useful navigation links can go. Colonel Warden (talk) 20:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

text: The authors of articles about computer/video games seem to have the habit of assuming that these are the only types of game.  This is obviously incorrect.  AFAIC, games are much more general than their components and a given theme such as Star Wars is often rendered into the form of a computer game, card game, board game, miniatures game, RPG and more.   Editors should allow for this and avoid recentism.  I'll be doing what I can to help myself.  Note that I got into this because I saw that the :Category:Multiplayer video games has been proposed for deletion.  You might like to look into this as I have no strong opinion on that myself. Colonel Warden (talk) 22:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I agree that it's a problem of recentism and I additionally think it's technological systemic bias. Should someone go through and change links in the articles that link here, where appropriate, to multiplayer video game? The topics are so closely related that it probably doesn't matter, but I wasn't sure. --Mrwojo (talk) 22:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't have experience of making such a systematic, repetitive edit to so many articles here.  Perhaps someone in a related project can clean this up?  But first, you should see the number of articles I've turned up which seem to cover the same ground.  See See also.  Colonel Warden (talk) 23:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've left a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Multiplayer game moved to multiplayer video game. I see your point about the articles on similar topics. --Mrwojo (talk) 23:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I've never heard the term "multiplayer" to be used in any other context than that of "multiplayer video game". The meaning of the compound constituents may apply to all kinds of more-than-one-person playing, including gambling, video gaming, stage acting, or performing on a musical instrument, but I believe it is completely irrelevant in case of defining the compound itself. The word is almost exclusively used in terms of computer and video gaming, and I think this is the meaning that should be mainly reflected on this page, perhaps with the option of providing disambiguation links for more esoteric applications of the term. If word etymology is the main arguing point here, see,"skyscraper" does not refer to any "sky scratching" agent, "breakfast" does not describe instant smashing techniques, and "football" does not denote "ball intended for foot"nor is it anywhere described as a "multiplayer game". I vote for moving Multiplayer video game back to Multiplayer game, especially considering that Multiplayer video game may be misleading for people who view "video games" and "computer games" as two somewhat distinct terms. 
Additional arguments: 
a) as mentioned above, Special:WhatLinksHere/Multiplayer_game is completely dominated by links from articles related to electronic gaming
b) the current content of Multiplayer game is basically non-existent and provides no noticeable value except for random linking to various forms of video and board games 
c) The term "game"  in its original sense is already used to imply interaction multiple players. I believe the term "multiplayer" was introduced in video game menus in attempt to differentiate between between single- and multiple-user oriented content, which is a very significant distinction in video gaming.
d)http://www.google.com/search?q=multiplayer+game
I'd like to hear some thoughts and possible counterarguments on this subject. If no one directly opposes this after a period of time, I may revert the move personally. By the way, that (2008) Oxford English Dictionary reference doesn't really lead anywhere. I haven't been able to find any strict definition of the term online.
::::::Rankiri (talk) 17:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose. Sorry. i understand your thoughts, and I appreciate it. however, right now the two articles are on two totally different topics. I understand the rationale for merging; however, if we have two different subjects here which are covered well in two different ways, i'd rather not have to give up one of them, (even if that one is not as strong as a separate topic as the other). --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 18:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for expressing your opinion. My whole point is that "multiplayer game" and "multiplayer video game" are, by all practical means, interchangeable terms. We can link to party game and card game and sports in a Multiplayer Game (Disambiguation) kind of reference (even a "multiplayer games out of context of videogaming" type of article subsection would work), but, as far as I know, no one uses the term "multiplayer" in regard to those activities. As of now, multiplayer game is basically empty - one simple definition and several examples (most of which link to videogames or group games that don't use the term), - so I think it wouldn't be accurate to argue that the article covers a separate topic. Would you still disagree?Rankiri (talk) 19:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong OPPOSE This proposal seems absurd on it's face. Considering that the word "multiplayer" is used in both titles, what you are suggesting is that GAME = VIDEO GAME, as if no game that has more than one player can possibly exist outside of an electronic medium. This is ridiculous. Bulbous (talk) 19:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I guess it won't get as much support I hoped it would. Just for the sake of clarification, I'm arguing that whoever used "multiplayer" in both titles was initially mistaken about the modern use of the word "multiplayer", not that "GAME = VIDEO GAME", which would of course be ludicrous. It is a well-known fact that most non-electronic games require multiple players. By that reason alone, no one ever calls football a multiplayer game. I've never heard of poker, tic tac toe, chess or board version of Risk being called multiplayer either. They are, in fact, multi-player games, but as I said in my earlier argument, "multiplayer" in today's culture has a "skyscraper-like" specific meaning that goes beyond "multiple" and "players" and practically always refers to videogaming. I'm not a linguist, but get this impression from living and hearing this word both in Europe and the U.S. I also googled the phrase, and run "multiplayer" through Time magazine's article search engine where it only found videogame-related results. I may be in minority, but I still strongly believe I have a valid point there.   Rankiri (talk) 20:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you feel so strongly that "multiplayer game" implies "multiplayer video game", then why would you want to complicate the issue by moving to "multiplayer game"? You would be leaving a word that some people (seemingly a majority) feel is an  important distinction. If you kept it at "multiplayer video game", everyone would know what was meant, even if some did feel that "video" was a redundant word. Bulbous (talk) 20:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, I see it as simplifying the issue, not complicating it. I believe most people who "technically" look for the term "multiplayer video game" type in "multiplayer" or "multiplayer game" in their search engines. I also would like to urge you to find a good example of the word "multiplayer" being commonly or validly used in non-videogaming context, not only for the purpose of asserting my position but for my possible understanding of yours. If it is not (or, comparatively speaking, very rarely) used in such a context, the primary description of "multiplayer game" should refer to the most used definition of "multiplayer game", which in this case would be a multiplayer component of videogaming. Again, I see the word "skyscraper" as an almost perfect example of what I'm trying to express here.  Rankiri (talk) 21:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

text: And yes, people do refer to football as a multiplayer game.  Here is an example. Colonel Warden (talk) 21:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

text: *I don't see the word reference on the first linked page. Besides, an occasional use of "multiplayer" back in 1973, long before the advent of videogaming... You have to agree, it's not that convincing. How would you comment on the search results that don't show the use of alternative meanings of the word or on any other points mentioned above? Regardless, I've already stated my argument line and it seems to be in disagreement with all the 3 responders, who sadly didn't provide any solid persuasive arguments in regard to their viewpoints. I'll refrain from further commenting on this until somebody invalidates my arguments instead of disagreeing with them, I see a convincing example of the word "multiplayer" being commonly or validly used outside non-videogaming context in today's speech or culture, or my position gathers more supporters. Rankiri (talk) 21:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Contesting the Move

message: Hi, why hasn't this been moved yet? --Dolberty (talk) 10:34, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: moved a bit of it. Leitmotiv (talk) 08:48, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Klbrain (talk) 03:42, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  When?