Talk:Kirkuk

message: The famous Iraqi-Arab poet Fadhi Al Azzawi grew up in Kirkuk.TheThirdBillyGoatGruff (talk) 22:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many other Arab and Assyrian poets who born in Kirkuk.
I agree with you.Many other famous people from non-Kurdish ethnic background appear to be denied by biased authors of this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.222.204.185 (talk) 00:27, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable people from Kirkuk 

message: This article has been getting a number of edits recently. Newcomers should look at Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers and the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. We welcome new contributors, and hope they will take some time to familiarize themselves with our work to build an encyclopedia join us. One of our important policies is Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, often called "NPOV" for short. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 17:54, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: I would like to know why the category Assyria is allowed while category Kurdistan is being removed? Is there exact boundaries for Assyria? As far as I remember that's the main reason given for removing the Kurdistan category. Heja Helweda 22:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, As far as I know Britannica is a very neutral source, It clearly states that Kirkuk is in Kurdistan. , . So the category includes this article.Diyako Talk + 22:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category: Assyria 

message: I'm suggesting that Arrapha be merged into this article. Any thoughts? --3345345335534 15:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  
Merge?
 

message: Hi, this article from AP, page two, last parapgrapg states: The last ethnic-breakdown census in Iraq was conducted in 1957, well before Saddam began his program to move Arabs to Kirkuk. That count showed 178,000 Kurds, 48,000 Turkomen, 43,000 Arabs and 10,000 Assyrian-Chaldean Christians living in the city. . This is in contrast with the claims in your article. Thanks.
Hi, in reference to the two remarks mentioned above, thank you for your input, although some mistakes should be pointed out.  In the first remark, the gentleman stated that Turkomen and Arabs took over housing through the "Arabization" program of the Baath regime.  In fact, it was only the Arabs (mostly shiite from the south) who were brought into Kirkuk.  Kurds, Turkomens and Assyrian-Chaldeans were forcibly removed.
In reference to the second remark, the population figures are correct, although they are for Kirkuk Province (renamed Tamim by the Baath regime) and not for Kirkuk town, which is the city under debate.  The 1957 census figures showed that the "city" of Kirkuk  was made up of 28.2% Turkomens, 48.2% Kurds, 24% Arabs.  Thanks.139.184.30.19 01:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV pushing

message: I noticed Dallas Texas was listed as a sister city to Kirkuk, why is that?
Because they're both awful.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.49.142.21 (talk) 22:33, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister City? 

message: the historical section of this article is full of bogus nationalist psuedo history and should be rewritten using reliable sources  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.243.32 (talk) 17:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is full of unreliable asertion 

message: This article was obviously recently edited by a pro-kurdish editor. There are many pieces of uncited sentences of Turkmens helping the Iraqi Military force Kurds out. It also says 'Kirkuk is a historically Kurdish City'. No it is not, I request a moderator remove all remarks that may cause anger among the Arabs and Turkmens because they are uncited works.
Thankyou.
-Erol  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BabaGurGur (talk • contribs) 04:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The sentence you incorrectly quoted, actually says, "Historically, the city has always been considered by Kurds* and Turkmen as a cultural capital." Which, the Kurdish part, is referenced by this source, *Claims in conflict: reversing ethnic cleansing in northern Iraq, Human Rights Watch (Organization), Aug. 2004, Vol.16, 54. and contains a link to read said source. So your accusation that this is an uncited work is false. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slander against Turks and Arabs 

message: It seems that there is a lot of ethnic bickering and we have the content of the article being changed without references to back it up. Some edits big up the Kurds and do down the Turkmen and some big up the Turkmen and do down the Kurds. 
I would like to remind editors that ethnically motivated propaganda is not welcome here. Unsourced changes are not helpful. In particular "ethnically cleansing" one group from the "notable people" list can not be tolerated. We need a text that is accurate, neutral and well referenced. Personally, I feel that any propaganda of the type that goes like "My dead grandfather was here before your dead grandfather" is pathetic and that no dispute was ever settled while people stuck to such a primitive line of argument,
I intend to revert to an older version and then merge in some good content from recent versions andd remove anything that seems inappropriate. I am not an expert on the subject so I may not do a perfect job but I would like us to work from that. I will include all people with articles on the notable people list irrespective of which group they are from but no red links.
--DanielRigal (talk) 20:44, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Couldn't agree more. I think that since the article is dealing with a very sensitive issue unsourced statements shouldn't be tolerated. I will read the article and remove what I see as nationalist POV pushing.--Rafy talk 21:00, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's ordinary and natural that all of them claim the right for Kirkuk, which is a historical and cultural city with a diversity of  four ethnic groups. We should observe the article from a neutral point of view as the outsiders. Gabriel Stijena (talk) 05:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Its littered with pure propaganda.  "Arab Occupation"...from the 7th Century?  I simply changed the title to 'Conquest' and haven't touched the rest, but its amazing how many problems this page has.  Can someone put a POV issue with it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.182.90 (talk) 04:05, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well you should read the rest otherwise you can't through judgements like that. Beside that sub-title is there any other POV in your opinion.--Kathovo talk 10:52, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic Bickering 

message: Kurds are not majorty in Kirkuk also Kirkuk is not in Kurdish region .
no thats not true if it is why do the turkmens own only 2 seats out of twelve seats in the last elections also kirkuk is now under peshmerga control  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anas Dler (talk • contribs) 21:07, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kirkuk Is Iraqi city with Turkmen Majorty 

message: wikipedia isnt for politics it is for knowledge so enogh of this nationality  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anas Dler (talk • contribs) 20:31, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Anas Dler! I removed the names is Turkish and Syriac before I checked the talk page. I should have checked the talkpage first. I removed the name because even though Kirkuk is an ethnically diverse city it's still part of Iraq. The official languages of Iraq are Kurdish and Arabic which I think are the only ones that should be listed. Erbil for example has a sizeable Syriac/Christian minority but we don't list Erbil in those languages ~ Zirguezi 22:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have written the name in kurdish turkish arabic please dont change it anymore 

message: This edit caught my eye, and I noticed that the only instances in the article of the word "Province" are in the Kurdish people section and that the lead uses the term "Govornorate".  Somebody needs to de-confuse this. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:26, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prrovince? Govornorate? 

message: Kurds majority in Kirkuk center. But Arabs is majority in Kirkuk Province . These two things are not the same thing. Arabs are only of majority in their Hawija district of Kirkuk province.
Hawija is largest district of Kirkuk With a population of 500,000 Arabs. Bruskom (talk) 06:41, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: ¨Please provde sources♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 18:00, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kirkuk and Kirkuk province 

message: We are still treating Kirkuk as part of Iraq. if we want to change this and claim the city is autonomous ather than occupied we need reliable sources which meet our WP:RS and WP:V policies. My opinion is neutral bu we should be well sourced and consistent with other articles, such as Iraq. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 18:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored article with last version. But lately was removed by another two user.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sedej (talk • contribs) 19:45, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Occupation

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message: I've switched the order and put Arabic first, as it's the national language of Iraq.  Kurdish had been the first one listed, but the city is not majority Kurdish, is not part of the Kurdish autonomous region, and is no longer under the occupation of Kurdish militia, so there's no reason for Kurdish to be listed first. -2003:CA:83E4:D600:994A:5894:CBED:8600 (talk) 22:49, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but IP users consistently vandalize the page. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 05:02, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language order 

message: Kirkuk's name is included in the four languages present in the city itself on so many signs in Kirkuk - including the council logohttps://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/82604428-e4cf-4c0f-af2f-c9497306fcf6 which people can find easily. I think we should keep the name in Arabic, Kurdish, Turkish and Syriac as it is now. There has been some disruptive removals of Kirkuk's name in Syriac. 
Best regards
Ashurpedia (talk) 01:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keeping the four languages 

message: In the infobox, the country category should be Iraq. It's fine with me to add  "Disputed territories" in the body of the article but not in the infobox. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 18:26, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding "Disputed territories" in infobox 

message: Please give adequate justification for the write-off here. Torivar (talk) 12:34, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pending adjustment 

message: , Must explain the frequent write-offs here. Torivar (talk) 17:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adjustments according to the point of view 

message: please revert the edit by the last user, who removed sourced information as an act of blatant vandalism. 2A04:4A43:4A7F:AA91:59B3:BC2E:DEE6:4C8 (talk) 16:03, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. The current version is the consensus version. General Ization Talk   16:27, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 11 June 2021 

message: This anonymous use keeps removing my edits and claims that Erfurt university isn't a reliable source and it's a pov. Can someone stop him. Xani LapZerin (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edits as a whole are clearly POV (pro-Kurdish, anti-Turkic) and written in poor English, and almost completely based off one non-RS source. This was stated clearly when I restored the previous versions. 77.96.159.195 (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Xani LapZerin, the IP editor has a point. Drmies (talk) 17:00, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edits are clearly POV, 'I don't' is no justification. 77.96.159.195 (talk) 17:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Hi Drmies, since this dissertation source is not reliable, should it also be removed from other articles where it is used? It's quite a problematic source as even its author seems to be POV and racially motivated. Regards. 77.96.159.195 (talk) 23:04, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, sure, maybe--but not so fast. Read the policy I linked: whether a diss can be used or not depends on circumstances, and may require some evaluation. If you can do that (in more words, and with more arguments than "it's problematic"), then we can do that. Drmies (talk) 01:03, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Drmies Other users (El C) are reinstating this disruptive content by the blocked user and have locked the page. We should gather consensus to have this reverted back to the stable version. Regards. 77.96.159.195 (talk) 12:39, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: User:El C is doing what they think is right. Drmies (talk) 14:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

text: El C, I restored the version you protected; I hope you don't mind. Let me explain why. First, I'm not convinced by all of the IP's claims, but there's something to it. The dissertation might be acceptable, but that's a matter for discussion. I'm not going to quibble with a researched dissertation talking about etymology, but the "After the Islamic Conquests" section, for starters, is not so simple, with its claims of "they were here first". Second, that one dissertation, used as the most important source, has also replaced a number of earlier references--sometimes, perhaps out of sheer ineptitude, because the editor left the "ref name" tag but usurped the citation, thus removing the original one. So there's problems, and the editor will have to argue for the appropriateness of the dissertation first. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Drmies. 77.96.159.195 (talk) 14:30, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I saw them remove the content with an edit summary that read:  (diff), which is clearly false, since they also removed sources which were (were) added. I now see that in the course of them edit warring, they softened that stance to poorly-sourced or whatever. Okay. I have no opinion or knowledge about that, but the AE protection (AEL diff) was broader than this one dispute, in any case (as can be seen in the page log and my past actions therein). El_C 15:08, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protection from this anonymous user 

message: There is too much Kurdish propaganda and pro-Kurdish, anti Arab/Iraqi/Turkmen racial bias on this article.
Examples: 
- Adding only the Kurdish name to the top of the article (why not Arabic and Turkmen).
- Changing the order of ethnicities in the introduction from Turkmen, Arab and Kurds to Kurds, Turkmen and Arab (clear racism)
- Adding an unsourced lie claiming that Kirkuk is the ‘Jerusalem of Kurdistan’ (Kirkuk is not in Kurdistan and this has no source no shouldn’t be in the article)
- Adding a completely unverified and incorrect claim to the Demographics section that Kirkuk had a Kurdish majority, even though this is unverified and not true, and does not count as actual demographics. This is in contrast to every other source which proves that Kirkuk has never had a Kurdish majority. كركوك مدينة عراقية (talk) 17:15, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: 100% agree. House of tabooleh (talk) 18:48, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is correct, why has this not been fixed? Mteiritay (talk) 03:57, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurdish propaganda 

message: Orlando20232023 (talk) 19:38, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cited sources say Kurdish forces were expelling non-Kurdish residents Cannolis (talk) 20:38, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 September 2023 

message: Change to population from "1,031,000 2021 estimate" to "1,075,000 2023 estimate" Kirkukturk3 (talk) 01:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: —Sirdog (talk) 07:36, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 October 2023 

message: 1) Please revert the order of ethnicities in the introductory paragraph from Kurds, Turkmen and Arabs, to Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen, as this is a fairer and alphabetical order and the former appears to be an ethnically motivated edit according to the edit history.
2) Also remove the unverified and inaccurate initial paragraph of the Demographics section; it falsely claims that Kirkuk had a Kurdish majority using an unverified claim, and does not count as actual demographics.
3) Please change the second paragraph, from "Kirkuk was proclaimed the "capital of Iraqi culture" in 2010.[citation needed] It is described by the Kurdish leader and former Iraqi president Jalal Talabani as “the Jerusalem of Kurdistan”, while it is seen by the Turkmen activist Fatih Salah as the cultural and historical capital of Iraqi Turkmens.[9] The government of Iraq states that Kirkuk represents a small version of Iraq due to its diverse population, and that the city is a model for coexistence in the country.[10][11]", to "Kirkuk was proclaimed the "capital of Iraqi culture" in 2010.[citation needed] It is considered by the Iraqi Turkmen to be their cultural and historical capital.[9] The government of Iraq states that Kirkuk represents a small version of Iraq due to its diverse population, and that the city is a model for coexistence in the country.[10][11]". 
This is because the rest is unsourced. 
Mteiritay (talk) 04:03, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template.  Spintendo  04:35, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please explain what that is? Mteiritay (talk) 05:32, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

text: i agree with you, i kept trying to change the "activist" part but no one cares that its literally obvious Kurdish vandalism Kirkukturk3 (talk) 15:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:   Not done: Consensus means that interested editors discuss a desired edit on the talk page and eventually reach a compromise, to put it very basically. If involved editors fail to do so, there are dispute resolution processes available to address it. Continuing to re-open requests which are declined on the basis of lack of consensus is not the way to go about it. —Sirdog (talk) 03:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 December 2023 

message: The demographic information regarding the 1957 census was falsified by an unknown Wikipedia user. See in Source. Mêzgir (talk) 12:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected now. Thank you. Semsûrî (talk) 14:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, thank you for quickly addressing this issue. The table described as "Census results for the city proper of Kirkuk in 1957" is also falsified, as the source provided, provides different data. Mêzgir (talk) 17:16, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I see the problem now. The percentages are for the liwa/province and not for the city. Turkmens are 37% of the city, Kurds 33% and Arabs 22.5%. Both sources have the same numbers. Semsûrî (talk) 18:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The percentages and numbers are correct.  NICTON t (talk) 00:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Census 1957 

message: I request changing the population visualization to be like that . 
 NICTON t (talk) 00:00, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: My suggestion is to add this visualization instead of boring old school table. NICTON t (talk) 00:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  1957 population  

message: In the opening paragraph, instead of 'Kurds, Turkmens and Arabs' it should be 'Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen', in alphabetical order. Mteiritay (talk) 21:13, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks nicer honestly, it's the first ethnic groups people who know about kirkuk think about it in order. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 03:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity list 

message: Hi! Can you add konya as a sister city with Kirkuk? Here are two sources that I found about it https://unpo.org/article/14669 and https://ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2012/8/kirkuk744.htm Kirkukturk3 (talk) 03:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: and also done at Konya. Liu1126 (talk) 20:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 April 2024 

message: Please add to Arabs ethnic group section about tribes
'Jabouri, Ubaid, Hadidi, Hamdani, Tamim, Mafraj and Shammar are among popular tribes in Kirkuk.'
source: https://kirkuknow.com/en/transition/17 77.103.241.93 (talk) 00:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arab tribes addition request