Talk:Nikola Gruevski

message: Could someone add something about his new book "The Way Out" (Кон излезот)? --AimLook 01:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: His book

message: The sources i added state that Nikolaos Grouis fought with the greek army in Albania. The use of "antifascist" might give a false impression that he was in a partisan group or some other resistance formation. So i think the phrase "fought on the side of Greece" or "fought in the Greek army" is more accurate, if the references are accepted as reliable there's no reason to make changes which give a more vague meaning. I Also left the name unchanged as it was added in the first place, the correct transfer from Greek is probably "Grouios" from "Γρούϊος" taken from the monument which is depicted in detail in the second link. I'm not going to edit anything for the time being.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zakronian (talk • contribs) 17:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gruevski's grandfather 

message: Articles about political figures should have a brief overview biography section (including "early life" etc., if there's anything notable known about that), and then concentrate on the person's political action and offices. Why does this article have its longest and first section on the history of his family? Sourced to a single Greek news outlet? Just because some Greek nationalist media have made this an issue doesn't mean we should give this much weight to it. The section can easily be cut down and reduced to one or two sentences. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:49, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue weght given to ancestry issue 

message: Hello I made this account because I was confused as to why these sources are being misused:
#http://www.kanal5.com.mk/default.aspx?mId=37&eventId=56289&egId=13 The kanal5 source states "Proto Thema" (A greek source) is reporting Gruevski is half Greek
#http://www.dnevnik.com.mk/default-mk.asp?ItemID=E02741FE0CDEF14487FFB7338443B82A&arc=1 His ancestors name "Nikos Grujos" does not prove he was one ethnicity or another - considering their was a Hellenization process that occurred in Macedonia, Greece "Nikos Grujos" may in fact simply be a Greek translation of his original name.
#http://www.zougla.gr/news.php?id=4828 Again a Greek source, in which claiming fighting in the Greek Army proves he is Greek? It is well known ethnic Macedonians fought with both Greek Armies and Yugoslavian Armies depending on where they lived (Yugoslavia or Greece) and more ethnic Macedonians fought with Greek Communists.
#http://folders.skai.gr/main/theme?locale=el&id=87 Videos cannot and should not be used as sources, if that is the case Youtube will become a main source on here
I believe if Gruevski is indeed half Greek then non-biased sources can easily be found, therefore I believe these should be removed. ICONFIRMED (talk) 23:07, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources are reliable, please do not remove sourced content. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 05:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please specify why they are reliable, and who states they are reliable. 69.14.179.109 (talk) 17:48, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

text:  You have not responded to any of the comments "A Macedonian, A Greek", videos and biased one-sided sources are not considered reliable... indeed the sources are contradicting one another yet only one sources view is used in the article. ICONFIRMED (talk) 03:56, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Thus, I will revert your edit, based on the evidence and your failure to show any evidence that these sources are indeed reliable... besides your own view of their reliability. ICONFIRMED (talk) 03:57, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sources are reliable, please do take a look at WP:RS and please do not remove sourced content, as this constitutes vandalism. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 05:22, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have read the WP:RS and still do not view these sources as reliable; WP:RS states "publish the opinions of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves" as is the case here on these topics, the Dnevnik source states the ethnic Macedonians in the village state Gruevski's fathers' village used to be ethnic Macedonian and over the years other ethnicities have moved into the area while the Kanal5 source only states what Proto Thema has written yet the Proto Thema source is not used on here. WP:RS also states "Proper sourcing always depends on context; common sense and editorial judgment are an indispensable part of the process" yet videos such as the SKAI source are being used as a source when it does not use sources itself. WP:RS also states "Like text sources, media sources must be produced by a reliable third party and be properly cited" yet as I have already identified the source is of Greek origin and does not use 3rd party sources within the video itself. WP:RS also states "Such sources include websites and publications expressing views that are widely acknowledged as extremist, or promotional in nature, or which rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions" in which these biased Greek sources want to promote a particular point of view with non-objective conclusions about evidence. I believe this sources should be reviewed by a non-Greek editor and until then they should be removed. ICONFIRMED (talk) 01:19, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want these source to be reviewed by a non-Greek editor, the way to do it would be to post a request at WP:RSN. Athenean (talk) 01:19, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

text: That sounds great Athenean, since I just viewed "A Macedonian, A Greek"s userpage and one must question the persons' bias with writings such as "I speak Greek like Alexander the Great did, not a modern Bulgaro-Serbian Slavic language like Gjorge Ivanov does." It is one thing to identify oneself as different, it is another to mock and purposely ridicule another's identity. I would gladly use your advice since I view "A Macedonian, A Greek"s objectiveness as lacking. Thank you ICONFIRMED (talk) 01:23, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean "mock"?? And since when it is a mockery to state a fact?? It seems that you are somehow against Serbians, Bulgarians and Slavs in general! It also seems you don't know how Macedonian language is classified, so please do read Macedonian language article before you accuse me. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:01, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gruevski ancestry sources 

message: The source that is used in the article was misused. The article from Kanal 5 says that the "Greek media reports that Gruevski is Greek". Gruevski or his father or his grandfather have never claimed Greek ethnicity. If you have proof, please provide a quote where they say that they are Greek. Gruevski's grandfather was born in Krushodari (renamed to Ahlada by Greek authorities in the 1920s) Aegean Macedonia, and like many other Macedonians he participated in the Greek-Albanian war. I don't see why this should be twisted into "Gruevski is half Greek". Bakersdozen77 (talk) 02:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gruevski Half Greek? Then you wonder why no one takes Wikipedia seriously... 

message: I just provided the source from an official Greek institution called Pandektis:  
Bakersdozen77 (talk) 02:31, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Greek Institution Confirms Renaming of Krushodari to Ahlada in 1926 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: : There is absolutely nothing wrong in using the  template as  suggests. On the contrary, this is a good example of a situation where it is suitable. With or without the template, the name "Boris Stojmenov" will be a redlink. Using the template does not post Gruevski's name in another language. It just creates a small "[ru]" behind the name. This is a subtle signal to tell two things: 1) There is an article in Russian about Gruevski, reached by clicking the [ru]. 2) It might be an idea to create an article about him (for which the Russian article may be a help).
We could discuss whether to put the template in the infobox or in the navbox at the bottom. I would suggest the infobox, but am open for arguments both ways. We could also discuss if the link should be made to the Russian or to the Macedonian article. I would suggest the Macedonian, since that is where he comes from. It is also possible to link to both with the code , giving the result "". Perhaps that is an even better solution? --T*U (talk) 21:09, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If a red wikilink about a Macedonian politician has to redirect to another language, shouldn't it be better that it redirects just to the Macedonian one?  I could like creating our own article instead of cluttering the infobox wiht multiple language redirections too. --👧🏻 SilentResident 👧🏻  (talk ✉️ | contribs 📝) 14:32, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be great if you or someone else made a stab at an article. And the beauty with the  template is that as soon as the article exists in English, the interwiki links disappear (or more correctly, are supressed and become invisible). As for Russian/Macedonian: Yes, my initial suggestion was to link to the Macedonian article. However, thinking a bit further, there is a chance that the Russian would be more useful for editors that are working on an English article, since more people know Russian than Macedonian. Therefore I suggest having both links until the English article is created. --T*U (talk) 16:16, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats good to know. Done, added both languages just in case. --👧🏻 SilentResident 👧🏻  (talk ✉️ | contribs 📝) 17:15, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interlanguage link