Talk:Taiwan (island)/Archive 1

message: Is zhuyin an official system? Since the government has adopted TongyongPinyin, should that system be used instead? --Jiang 22:23 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)
: Yes, Zhuyin has been official in TW for a long time, but no, it is not official, ever, like a Romanization like pinyin. It isn't a Romanization in any sense. So, I don't even know why Zhuyin symbols are on this article. I mean, the symbols do have their own article: Zhuyin. That's where they belong. Elsewhere, we use English or at least "Englishoid alphabet" supplemented by Chinese characters with article-less proper nouns.
: So, Romanization to be used here: Wade-Giles or Tongyong? I would say W-G, because TY isn't gaining any momentum. And if it's not growing, it's probably dying. It's been three eventful years, and yet, Google reveals less than 20 "Jhong-hua" (or "Jhonghua"), but a thousand "Chung-hua Min-kuo". --Menchi 23:21 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)
::Ok, W-G then...but do tone marks go on top? --Jiang 23:28 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)
::: Officially, yes, always. Like shown in Republic of China (another repetition it would be....). --Menchi 23:34 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)
::: I meant that W-G tone marks are "top" as in "numerical superscripts". Wade-Giles never used Zhuyin tone marks, like Romanized Zhuyin did and pinyin does. --Menchi 23:51 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:::: Is Wade-Giles then to be the romanization system for this article? "Jhongsing" appears to be Tongyong Pinyin, while "Taichung" is the usual bastardized W-G used on the island.
:::: Whatever the romanization system used is, it must be used correctly and consistently. To do otherwise is a disservice to the user. --  Jiawen 19:33, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Zhuyin

message: ok, i agree with everything EXCEPT for one thing: the fact that Taiwan is still under the control of the PRC. yes they are asking for independence, but they are NOT YET a nation of it's own, and it will not be in the near future because the PRC just wont allow it. Period. Whoever wrote this article please correct the mistakes. the reason i am not correcting them is because im not that good with words, and if i did i would be forced to rewrite entire paragraphs which i do not have time to do...--Primexx 04:08, Jun 8, 2004 (UTC)
:please read political status of Taiwan and possibly history of China and then come back to tell us what "mistakes" there are. I don't see any. --Jiang 05:52, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true that Taiwan != Republic of China in the technical sense, that is, unless they change the name or abolish the provincial governments completely. But the news media and most everyone else substitute "Taiwan" for "Republic of China". It's "Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian" instead of "Republic of China President Chen Shui-bian". Now under Chen, the government's caught on too. Most people don't know what the "Republic of China" is. Doesn't something that's untrue become true when almost everyone makes it out to be true? Chen is playing word games in the above in saying Taiwan=Republic of China, but that's really official endorsement of established and very common ignorance. --Jiang 10:33, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

text: I never took philosophy 101 so I don't know that. Actually, the sun does revolve around the earth. Physics 101 says there is no preferred frame of reference. I refuse to allow my planet to submit to the tyranny of its sun! --Jiang 11:29, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: TAIWAN IS PART OF CHINA

message: Until the problem of Taiwan is really settled. The island of Taiwan is the island of Taiwan is the island of Taiwan. -wshun 01:38, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Outside China

message: Since I've already received some flak about it, I must clarify — listing Taiwan in :Category:Disputed territories does not take a side.  It acknowledges the multilateral political situation that exists.  The PRC claims Taiwan as a "renegade province", and RoC exerts self-determination over its own future and foreign affairs, whether that means as the sovereign Republic of China or as an independent Taiwan.  Each side disagrees, to the point of threatening war.  As the status of the sovereignity over Taiwan is so disputed, it is disputed territory.  The categorical inclusion makes no pro-Beijing statements nor pro-Taipei statements, and no pro-pan-blue nor pro-pan-green statements.  It is simply a diplomatic fact.  Until Beijing and Taipei can agree on sovereignity, this will remain fact.  To be truthful, I was only filling out :Category:Disputed territories to add territorial conflicts I know about, and while adding Black Hills and Sabah, I remembered Taiwan. - Gilgamesh 05:16, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed territories