Talk:Albert Pyun

message: This is the ONLY quote in the Los Angeles times by Albert Pyun:
[i]"Someone, usually the director, is always blamed when a project doesn't realize everyone's hopes. The film was shot on a shoestring and a prayer. I did the best I could."[/i]  This hardly constitutes Pyun "explaining" how he and John Laing didn't keep their word to the Guam people.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambulatory17 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning 65.211.219.162 recent edits re: what Albert Pyun said to Los Angeles times re: MAX HAVOC: CURSE OF THE DRAGON 

message: Thanks to all who help put a stop to him. Whom or what determines what is appropriate? I read a long blog interview with Mr. Pyun where he somewhat incriminates himself and the producers with specific acts in the so called Havoc fraud but it on a very obscure discussion page. I think this adds to the guam information but its not a "recognized" source I guess. So what is the criteria? I've read a number of pointed and biased attacks as well as fan point of view on this page so its quite confusing. As an example, the trial is simply a civil trial and about recovery of security for a loan but the article makes it a much broader criminal trial. Which is it?
~~Mostchin32  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mostchin32 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's obvious that Albert Pyun (or one of his minions) is trying to hi-jack this page for self-congratulatory spamming. 

message: I'm working on this page and can not find any source for Pyun's early life. Any help would be appreciated. Readyforanderson (talk) 00:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pyun's early life and the start of his film career  

message: seems to me it's an inappropriate external links as per Wiki external link/spam guidelines; Albert Pyun is listed in the company and Sofia Film Group has nothing on the site but his movies. That's why I deleted the link. Someone rv the edit. Readyforanderson (talk) 22:10, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sofia Film Group external link 

message: The article appears to be written in press-release language, and many passages have a hype-y feel of spin. My fellow editor Readyforanderson has also addressed some of these issues. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the page needs the tag for now. You are correct that the page does have a hype feel to it. When I first started cleaning up the page I would read some of the sourced links that said this or that film was a big money maker with huge critical acclaim and Pyun was voted best film maker by this group or that group, and the links said nothing of the sort. I corrected those by removing offending passages/links. A problem I'm running into is with editor 70.189.192.168 who immediately rv these edits with no edit summary, usually putting passages back in that are cited, improperly, to sources that don't say what 70.189.192.168 claims they say. I believe that this editor is also trying to whitewash/censor the Max Havoc: Curse of the Dragon section along with attempting to use OR. Readyforanderson (talk) 16:13, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV tag

message: due to tonight's edit from 75.160.53.246 (which are in the same exact nature of the advertising/spam edits of editor 70.189.192.168, I have opened a SPI case. I predict that more IP edits will occur rving edits back to spam and bare URL's advertising Pyun's upcoming film showings, originating from the west (Texas) and midwest (Indiana and Kentucky) as Pyun has an upcoming shows there. Readyforanderson (talk) 04:58, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As I suspected, new edit tonight from IP 208.180.95.159 from Lubbock, Texas placing URL listing of Pyun's upcoming film shows in Texas into article. I rv the edit back. Readyforanderson (talk) 03:51, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opened an SPI case 

message: Is dividing this article into sections by decade the best layout? It's chronological but the decades are rather arbitrary. RJFJR (talk) 16:23, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In cleaning up this page, I left the decade layout pretty much as is changing it around only to put the years back into chronological order.  It seems to me it was originally written in decade-layout and to change it would require an entire rewrite.Readyforanderson (talk) 20:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layout 

message: We have legal threat. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&oldid=440670563
: And? And how about WP:NLT?  This legal threat by Pyun is an attempt to whitewash and censor the Max Havoc: Curse of the Dragon section. Everything in that section was cited to a verifiable source. Pyun's claim that this information is "unverified" is BS. If he truly feels that some of the sourced information in that section contains "erroneous and libelous information" might we suggest he sue the Los Angeles Times, Pacific Daily News, KUAM, The Daily Marianas Variety, and the other Guam media that have been reporting on the film, him and the film's producer since the time the film was announced until said producer defaulted on Guam's loan and on into producer's upcoming fraud trial. In his legal threat he complains of Albert Pyun being "hijacked." You mean hijacked as in Pyun's User talk:70.189.192.168 incessant sock puppetry attempts to spam the page with his recent movie play dates which ultimately got him locked out of the page for a week? Readyforanderson (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The guam stuff has been problematic since I first started trying to clean up the page a little bit (I couldn't do much due to lack of knowledge but my efforts are above).  Basically this entire article is a longstanding nightmare of an edit war between rabid fans and rabid haters of the man.  As long as the phrasing stays neutral on the Guam stuff and we just report what's in the sources, we're fine.  There's isn't a thing he can do about it (assuming that's even the real Pyin making the threat, which I doubt) unless he manages to become one of those few people that Wikimedia Corp. decides to NOT have an article for (which I don't know if there are any anymore).  Millahnna (talk) 04:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Whatever the consensus is, I'm fine with. I'd just like there to BE a consensus discussion. I'm sure that when sock User talk:70.189.192.168 is allowed to edit again, the waring/spamming/whitewashing/censoring  will begin anew. And the first edit the sock makes will be to edit the entire Guam stuff out and then list a play date for an upcoming Pyun show. Readyforanderson (talk) 05:10, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well then in the interest of establishing consensus, the Guam information should stay since it is reliably sourced and a matter of public record as a situation at this point.  When the trial Mr. Pyun mentioned in his threat gets coverage, we will add that info, as well, regardless of the outcome.  That said, the recent pruning of that topic is probably for the best for WP:UNDUE reasons.  Millahnna (talk) 09:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that he did a controversial film on Guam is surely needed to be mentioned, but it shouldn't be as detailed as in the film's article. The most detailed bad press should belong to the film and John Laing, but mentioning the film while censoring out the controversy is surely non-neutral. HkCaGu (talk) 13:56, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is the consensus of editors/admin far more experienced then me then fair enough. I felt the German film site links were important because it quoted Pyun contradicting every single source I could find about the Guam loan/making of Max Havoc: "I had nothing to do with the loan transaction" & "I got paid my salary when I left the island"  when every verifiable source I found said he had ties with the Guam loan and he is quoted on those sources claiming he never got paid for the film. It's a complete 180° and is very telling. At the very least I would like to see this passage back into the Guam section: Guam Senator Ben Pangelinan accused Albert Pyun of dealing in bad faith with Guam officials in his quest to get Guam to put up money for the film. This is from the Los Angeles Times article and it tells, I think, a valid, sourced reaction from Guam about Albert Pyun coming to the island, asking for money, and making one of his films there. Again, if consensus disagrees with this, then I differ to a more experienced judgement. Also, this whole business in the article of this film being "the 89th most popular Cyborg/Android/futuristic Kung-Fu movie" or this movie being the "39th most popular kickboxing movie" seems not notable to me and should be removed. Readyforanderson (talk) 14:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Seriously? In Pyun's dreams. Completely laughable Readyforanderson (talk) 16:47, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  And... 

message: Around seven months ago I brought up a consensus discussion about the removal of a passage that refers to one of Pyun's films as the "37th most popular android movie of all time" or something close to that. See above. I find this fact completely not notable and unencyclopedic. With no objection from other editors since consensus discussion originated, I have removed that section. Readyforanderson (talk) 02:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of not notable section 

message: Trying once again to clean up this page after a long time away. And once again my eyes are starting to glaze over. It's painfully obvious that Albert Pyun has taken control of page and uses it as advertisement for him self. If anyone tries to revert edits are properly format it he storms in and changes it all back to the way he would like it to read. Are there any other editors around who can help me work on this page so it doesn't read like an Albert Pyun ad? Readyforanderson (talk) 17:30, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Pyun made the film Max Havoc in Guam with public money he and his producer asked for. This is cited in the Albert Pyun article and sourced. The film ended up in controversy. This is also cited and sourced. The results of that controversy are important and belong on the Pyun page because the results are about an Albert Pyun movie that created a windstorm of controversy.  To not include this would be non-neutral. Two wiki editors who have worked on this page agree with this. Please see above. Readyforanderson (talk) 14:07, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great that Pyun is a trailblazer and millions around the world love him. The fact remains he made a controversial film in Guam by asking the Guam government for money (properly sourced by Marinas Variety) to make Max Havoc thereby making the details of that controversy relevant to his wikipedia page regardless if he was involved with the litigation between GovGuam and MH producer. My edits to the Pyun page are not all negative and don't only deal with the MAX HAVOC portion of his career. I've spent countless hours trying to make this page more readable and format all of the edits you make which are not properly Wiki formatted. No big deal but please take a look at all of your edits. They are painfully, painfully non-neutral. You wish to whitewash this Guam controversy. It's beyond obvious. Wikipedia does not whitewash or censor. Readyforanderson (talk) 18:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

text: It sounds 68.229.59.110 has some POV-issues when editing this article. Also you are suggesting using primary soures (court and loan documents) instead of reliable secondary sources (the press) in an attempt to pursue original research. Due dilligence is indeed needed, since there can possibly be some WP:BLP-violations, but we can't engage in original research or synthesis of sources in an attempt to clear a man that has been found guilty in a court of law. You will need reliable secondary sources, published commentators, that has already done this research. --Saddhiyama (talk) 09:32, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I give up this battle. It's pointless to try to keep Albert Pyun from spamming his page with advertisements of himself. Make no mistake: this page will now be controlled entirely by Albert Pyun. It will be an advertisement for Albert Pyun. It will list every playdate for all his films and what movie theaters they will be shown in. It will showcase glowing reviews of all his films sourced to personal blogs written by his fan-boys. It will become an unreadable laundry list of his accomplishments with nothing formatted to Wiki standards. If any information on the page, cited and sourced or not, might make him look bad, Albert Pyun will remove it. This page will be 100% non-neutral. It will become one big ad FOR Albert Pyun written BY Albert Pyun. If Albert Pyun doesn't like whats on the page he will huff and puff and hold his breath like a spoiled child screaming about imaginary lawyers and imaginary lawsuits. If Pyun doesn't like the content of a cited verifiable source like a newspaper article well then the article was written by a "sorry ass" reporter from the the "backwoods" of Guam. I'm going to completely delete the the entire Max Havoc section just to make it go away. Just like Albert Pyun would like it to go away. Like it never happened. Welcome to the new AlbertPyun.com on Wikipedia. Adios Esta. Readyforanderson (talk) 10:59, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to give up. It's pretty obvious that there are edits from multiple-serial IPs which don't touch anything except this article and maybe Max Havoc. It's pretty obvious who that is, and these IPs, or the person behind it, does not deserve any respect due to reasons elaborated above. It'll be easy to semi-protect against IPs and make any registered editor accountable. HkCaGu (talk) 04:12, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article reads like an Albert Pyun press release 

message: The two latestest additions by IPs: they do nothing but advertise Pyun and are completely non- netraul. Including a link to a pod cast interview wiht Pyun and going of the way to say that the interview covers "that epic insane film journey of his." Really? It just makes you laugh how Pyun controls this page. Let me make a predicition: When Pyun's film "Road to Hell" plays in Hawaii it will be listed here. The post will come from Henderson, Nevada from an IP that only posts on the Pyun page. Readyforanderson (talk) 20:13, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Case in point: 

message: for finally protecting this page from Pyun's nonstop spam. For YEARS he has been spamming this page with promotional items. So thanks to whomever finally protected this page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.110.123.105 (talk) 02:40, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank you 

message: sigh         Readyforanderson (talk) 16:38, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  In regards to Albert Pyun sock IP 184.90.98.94's edit on May 28: 

message: Now that the page has been protected I've spent some serious time trying to clean up, condense, and fact check the article without fear of it instantly being destroyed by Pyun sock-vandals. I've made all the titles of films and tv shows in "quotes" rather then italics just to be uniform. I created an Awards section for Pyun's awards, eliminating stray sentences here and there. The article did not follow chronologically in places so I tried to put things in proper order. I eliminated a section about the "Captain America" director's cut being in "a film festival" and having "one commercial theatrical booking." This seemed not encyclopedic. There was a NPOV issue here and there that was removed. I linked some famous actors and Japanese film people. Massive copy edits all around. There is a citation needed tag that's bugging me regarding Pyun's birth date as May 19, 1953. It's been tagged since August 2011 and I can't find a source for that. Would like to see the tag remvoed if anyone can help. 
Article is safe until June 29th, 2013 at which time Pyun IP socks will come and destroy it. Readyforanderson (talk) 04:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  It didn't make any sense to say that "Captain America" ended "when financing fell through." The film was finished. The cited source for this fact (Las Vegas interview with Pyun) didn't mention the film ending because of financing. Not unusual for this page's cited sources to say absolutely nothing about what they are suppose to be citing. Going through and checking every cited source for accuracy. So, I moved the Las Vegas source to cite Pyun's release of a director's cut of "Captain America" as the Indywire source is no longer available. So in addition, removed the Indywire source. Readyforanderson (talk) 21:19, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's good news that Chris Bates died young with a painful death of cancer? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0060882/?ref_=fn_nm_nm_1 You somehow chalk that up to Karma? The two people that posted the disgusting, revolting above paragraph are Albert Pyun and Cynthia Curnan. Chris Bates worked for years with them and now they gloat over his tragic and sad death. This gives you an idea of the kind of people they are. Since they are so quick to spout off about Karma before poor Chris' corpse is even cold, wonder what Karma has got in store for them considering their actions.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:C05C:61B0:1F0:5C66:8AD6:7A33 (talk) 16:24, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What Karma had in store for Albert Pyun was Progressing Relapsing Multiple Sclerosis.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.108.124.89 (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Protection 

message: Several hours after the page becomes unprotected, the page is bombarded from one IP with self-promotional fluff sourced to blogs, etc, etc. Wow, wonder who that could be? Readyforanderson (talk) 23:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's obvious who you are and what's going on here. Many of your edits are sourced to personal blogs which Wikipedia considers not a valid source. Your edits reek of self promotional fluff and Wikipedia is not your promotional tool. You've been explained this countless times and you continue to make said edits. Myself and other editors have explained this to you so many times I've lost count. Your edits are not made in good faith. I'm tired of explaining this to you so from this point on I'm just going to revert your edits without explanation. Readyforanderson (talk) 03:27, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Nothing like Albert Pyun and his gaggle of sycophants to determine what a neutral point of view is. Thank goodness for Wikipedia's source/citation rules. Prsrt ty (talk) 19:34, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  well that didn't take long - 

message: It has been brought to my attention that article purporting to be about me exists on your site. Beyond the fact that it has erroneous and libelous information that is unverified and slanted by those who have hijacked the page. The page is controlled by those from Guam or live in Guam in an attempt to smear me because they are trying to discredit my upcoming testimony on Guam that will lead to criminal charges of these individuals . I will be asking my attorney to look into your site to seek damages incurring to my reputation by the posting of libel and slander.
best, Albert Pyun apyunfilm@aol.com  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.194.2.9 (talk) 19:05, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please cease and desist  

message: Endless self-promotional posts of fluff and junk. As anyone can read the above years of posts on this talk page, Pyun won't adhere to Wikipedia guidelines for self promotion.  He simply won't have it. He's got to promote himself here. He cites blogs, you-tube videos, and non critical websites that that contain powder-puff interviews with him and calls them valid sources. When you delete them he huffs and puffs and threatens lawsuits, etc.  Readyforanderson (talk) 20:14, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albert Pyun has a new movie and that means: 

message: Albert Pyun has been spamming this page for nearly six years. He continually makes destructive unilateral edits and refuses to follow Wikipedia guidelines. He absolutely refuses to do any heavy lifting when it comes to proof reading, maintaing a single citation style, etc. He just cuts & pastes dubious sources and then expects others to clean up his mess. His edits always revolve around self-promotion, etc. Readyforanderson (talk) 21:46, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Case in point. Readyforanderson (talk) 04:53, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albert Pyun has been spamming this page for nearly six years 

message: We are his fans and we will do as he says. We grew up watching his movies and we want to do right by our hero. The entire Max Havoc section needs to be taken out, or at the very least to reflect that he had nothing to do with the loan from Guam. IT WAS THE PRODUCER'S FAULT AND NOT PYUN'S! He had nothing to do with it. One day Pyun will reveal all the secret information he has about the making of this film and Wikipedia will be sorry! We are the Albert Pyun Army!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.103.242.94 (talk) 20:07, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albert Pyun has asked us to return again to correcting this page. UNLOCK THE PAGE! 

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message: I would like to add that he sadly passed away on Saturday, November 26th, 2022 at 5:50 PM. This was announced via his wife's facebook page. Source: https://www.facebook.com/ccurnan/posts/pfbid0VGQMJiYM9z85UtfntnsmJh1A7g1RXywMh572byLTVMqnLW3ZTAsrQ7jPk2n4cafbl Cherrybracelets (talk) 06:12, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Done  by User:Gianluigi02. --Mvqr (talk) 11:40, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2022