Talk:Avi Shlaim

message: I have deleted the critics section of the entry, as there were two useless links. The first was to a Haaretz article in Hebrew, which is not acceptable for an English language encyclopedia. The second was to a (very offensive) blog, which is not a credible source. If someone wants to create a critics section, I suggest they find serious criticisms of Professor Shlaim's view by serious historians, academics or journalists.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.194.10 (talk) 04:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critics section 

message: In the Post-Zionism article someone has listed Avi Shlaim as a post-Zionist.  There was no source listed.  There is now a category for post zionists here :Category:Post-Zionists.  If someone finds a source for this, can you please add the category and describe him as such in the body of the article?  Thanks.  --Deodar 14:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Avi Shlaim self-identify as a [[post-Zionist]]? 

message: There should be a discussion about Shlaim's Guardian articles which appear to be anti-zionist or anti-semite.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.58.145 (talk) 17:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Avi Shlaim as a jew being anti-Semitic? Are you serious? 85.181.207.84 (talk) 12:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The only anti-zionist new historian is Ilan Pappé. None is anti-semite. 81.244.34.203 (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Avi Shlaim an [[anti-Zionist]] or [[anti-semite]]? 

message: As far as I can see, with the exception of the first paragraph, the Criticism section does not actually contain criticisms of the subject that are attributed to reliable sources. Instead, it seems to contain information which the editors themselves have found by studying other literature in the field and which contradicts assertions made by Schlaim. The initiative to use these contradictions to "criticize" Schlaim would seem to be the editor's own (unless they have simply failed to attribute it in a clear way). In other words, the only attributed thing is the claims themselves, but the "criticism" is the editor's own, which makes it original research (WP:NOR). Sourced criticism would have to involve, at the very least, a source explicitly addressing and naming Schlaim as the author of the claim being disputed; even then I'm inclined to think that such things should be placed in the "criticism" section of an article about an event, fact or position, not in the criticism section of an article about a person that has said something about it. Otherwise, there would be no end to potential "criticisms": Aristotle wrote that the octopus is a stupid animal, but I, editor X, can find a biologist that says the octopus is unusually intelligent, and so I may include that in the article about Aristotle; Bill O'Reilly said this or that on this or that date, but editor X can find some reliable source that says the opposite, so I include it in the article about him; etc., etc.. Rather, for something to qualify as sourced criticism of an author, the cited source should contain an explicit attempt to assess the person being criticized or at least of a major part of his work. --91.148.130.233 (talk) 14:40, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite right.  There is even a publisher's blurb about Gelber's book quoted as if it is part of the book.  This can be fixed, since Gelber certainly does take explicit issue with some of what Shlaim wrote.  But it has to be presented according to what Gelber wrote directly about Shlaim, not as it is now. Zerotalk 15:10, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the principles that you put forward and I agree it would seem obvious that a "book" was not written to criticize Avi Shlaim's work but as writteh in the introduction : this book is an answer to Shlaim's theory... Discussing this with him, I can also confirm it was the aim of Yoav Gelber. Pluto2012 (talk) 17:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section mostly OR? 

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message: *'Interview with Avi Shlaim on upcoming book: “Three Worlds: Memoir of an Arab-Jew”,' Oxford Political Review (OPR) 12 March 2023.
*Avi Shlaim, Three Worlds: Memoirs of an Arab-Jew, Oneworld Publications  2023
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thread_title:  Interview and autobiography 

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