Talk:Basilisk (manga)

message: OK, so I realise now that I've entered into a policy war on spoilers, but before even knowing about that, I had the experience of reading the article, getting to the characters section, and realising that, in giving details on the characters, the section gave away large portions of the plot. 
This is also somewhat deceptive, as the plot summary section specifically does not contain any information not given in the first episode of the series, or presumably the first manga. Since the nature of the anime/manga is that most of the core characters die during the series, and the manner and timing of their deaths is extremely important to the plot, not having a spoiler warning on the characters section is likely to result in most of the plot being given away, which would "substantially diminish many readers' ... enjoyment of the work". -Kieran 12:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Compelling reason" for spoiler

message: Support -Squilibob 00:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger

message: This article features the names of fictional characters, which are presented in western order in other anime articles, but not here. Since it seems to be policy to follow the dub in this case, should this be changed?
In addition, the historical character names listed at the bottom of the page are presented in western order here, but they link to biographical pages which list their name in japanese order. Since these are real characters whose real names are not ordered in western style, should this be changed?
And just for the sake of it, why does Wikipedia even follow the secondary source, the dub of an anime, in preference to the real thing to begin with?
: The article predates the R1 (English) release.  Western order should be used now that it is the most common in English-speaking parts of the world, with a note added to that effect.  --Meersan 13:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) for style guidelines on naming and other issues in articles related to Japanese subjects. --Meersan 13:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name format 

message: It is a nontrivial aspect of the anime that people die in almost every episode. I think it would be great to include a very small obituary column into the anime episodes list. Unfortunately, that table is created from a template. Is there some way around this? Would creating a second table just listing the episode number, English name, and who died be an acceptable alternative?
Another option would be to introduce a second listing of characters but putting it in order of death and with a brief description of the manner and cause of death. This has the benefit that it applies equally to the anime and the manga. -- Lilwik 09:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associating deaths with episodes? 

message: There used to be an entry in the trivia section that looked like this:
*The Funimation English dub of the anime actually uses Japanese honorifics when dubbed.
It is not a great bit of writing, since it redundently tells us that it was dubbed twice, but it is easy enough to see what it means and it is true.
In a recent edit, it was replaced by this:
*The Funimation English sub of the anime uses the original credits written in Japanese honorifics when played.
Is this vandalism? It is replacing a meaningful bit of trivia with something that makes no sense to me as an English sentence. I can only guess that it is trying to say that the credits use honorifics in the subbed version, but that is ridiculous. I have never seen Japanese credits that include honorifics, and I am sure that Basilisk does not include them either. (I am so sure that I haven't bothered to check, so correct me if I am wrong.) I'd just revert this without mentioning anything here, but I tried that before and now it is back.
I want to replace the above with:
*The Funimation English dub of the anime keeps many of the original Japanese honorifics.
I would like to say that it keeps them all, but it is so tempting to drop the honorifics in English and  I have no way of knowing if some of them have been dropped. I know that there are many occasions when honorifics are not used in the English dub, but the honorifics might not have been there in the original Japanese.
Unfortunately, if I do make the replacement, I have no reason to expect it to stay there and not be quickly re-vandalized. -- Lilwik 03:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bizarre edit in Trivia section. Is this vandalism? 

message: I've just noticed that this article is in the Anime films category. The Basilisk anime is a series, not a movie, and the Basilisk movie is not anime. It seems to be a mistake to put this article in that category. -- Lilwik 02:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime Films? 

message: A recent addition to the article says that the backgrounds in the manga are 90% black & white photographs. I am looking at volume 3 of the manga right now and it is very difficult to determine if this is true by looking. In some places the photographs seem clear, but often the background is obscured enough so that I cannot tell if it was drawn by hand. The number 90% seems much higher than I would have guessed. I think we need to cite some reference for this fact in addition to the manga itself. -- Lilwik 01:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photographs in Manga? 

message: The movie Shinobi seems to be based on this manga/anime maybe it should be mentioned
:I haven't seen it but based upon what I have read it seems to be very different. I think it is more based upon the original novel, The Kouga Ninja Scrolls, and it is mentioned on that page as one of the adaptations, along with the manga and anime. I have been planning on improving that article for a while, since I've got a copy of that book. (The title is a bit odd, isn't it? Even in the novel the Iga won in the end, so why is it the Kouga ninja scrolls?) -- Lilwik 20:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe because it's about fictional Kouga ninja scrolls detailing they're defeat... Moocowsrule (talk) 10:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shinobi movie 

message: I see that this article has been moved from "Basilisk: The Kouga Ninja Scrolls" to "Basilisk (manga)". Of course, this article is about the anime as much as the manga. In fact, it might even be more about the anime than the manga.
This move has lead to redirect pages leading to redirect pages. That should probably be fixed, but before I do that I'd like to know that this is not something that will be immediately undone. Are we happy with this change? — Lilwik 09:14, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article moved, double redirects 

message: Is there a compelling reason for the spoiler warning on this article? (i.e. material that hasn't been published in English yet, material that just came out, etc?) Phil Sandifer 15:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you even bother to read this page? Just a glance would have shown up my comment above. There is nothing in the spoiler guideline saying there is a time limit on spoiler templates. This has even been discussed on the guideline talk page. Please stop with your blanket applications of your interpretation of a highly disputed guideline. -Kieran 10:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This doesn't seem to be a coherent reason for placing a spoiler warning.  I'm going to remove it again. --Tony Sidaway 10:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigh. Well, "compelling reason" is pretty subjective. But, since it is next to impossible to use a spoiler warning on Wikipedia, since it's nearly impossible to provide reasons that the spoiler warning removalist edit warriors will accept, there's no point in me fighting this. Good luck to anyone else who believes this article needs a spoiler warning. -Kieran 11:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  "On the other hand you might encounter a list of characters in a novel, in the article about the novel. It's conceivable that there might be something unexpected in there, for instance if a key plot element hinges on the undisclosed identity of a major character. It may not be obvious to the reader that this section will give away the plot." (Comment by Tony Sidaway on Wikipedia_talk:Spoiler#Absurdity). This is the case here. Please discuss this, in the context of your knowledge of the series, if you want to remove the spoiler tag. -Kieran 12:28, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I've renamed the character section "Character biographies" to clarify that it will contain plot elements. The spoiler tag is not necessary. --Tony Sidaway 12:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think "biographies" is descriptive enough, so I've extended the name to be more descriptive. -Kieran 14:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Per WP:SPOILER, spoilers are not to be avoided in articles, nor are they to be explicitly marked. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and in the course of writing encyclopedic content on series and fictional characters, it is necessary to highlight all major plot points. Contrary to what you seem to think, this *is* standard practice on Wikipedia. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 11:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler warning

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Basilisk Iga.jpg

message: :Image:Basilisk Kouga.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Basilisk Kouga.jpg

message: the article says the japanese name of the show is "Basilisk (バジリスク甲賀忍法帖, Basilisk Kōga Ninpō Chō?)".
shouldnt it say "Basilisk (バジリスク 〜甲賀忍法帖〜, Basilisk 〜Kōga Ninpō Chō〜?)", since that is the name as it appears in the japanese wikipedia (with the 〜 signs) Jim88Argentina (talk) 21:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  about the japanese name 

message: In the most recent IFC airing of the series, an episode titled "Unveiled" aired - however, this episode is not listed anywhere online that I can find. I also can't really remember what happened in the episode. Anyone else see this, and any ideas on what the deal with it is? 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 05:47, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unlisted episode? 

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