Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beer/Archive 2

message: Hi, I'm Daniel11, and I started this Project, with the hope that it will attract lots of people and that we can do a good job of cataloguing the world's beers.
First, I should say that I'm not the best organizer, so while I'll do what I can, please feel free to help out with organizing this project, and not just with working on the beers.
The other point I wanted to make here is that I'm not sure that each beer should have its own entry -- I don't think an encyclopedia article on, say, Labatt 50, would be particularly notable. I'm not sure, though, whether it'd be better to incorporate the descriptions of each beer (w/ taxobox) into their respective brewer's pages, or whether we should make something along the lines of "Labatt beers" as a separate article for each notable brewer.
Add any other ideas relevant to this project here, and we can discuss them. And add stuff that's beyond the idea phase to the Project's main page.
Oh, and don't let the fact that my examples above were both about Labatt fool you into thinking I enjoy their beers -- that was just the first thing that came to mind!
--Daniel11 09:25, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Getting Started 

message: Now, I have a serious question.  I'm not that familiar with the specifics of various kinds of beers (becides how good they taste!), but aren't the two basically the same?  At least same enough to be part of the same article, with subheadings to explain the details of the two?  I only mention this because the Bitter (beer) page mentions specifically Pale Ale many times throughout the article.  I would propose that a merge of some sort would be in order, to make a more complete history of this kind of beverage.  This could also include merging "Strong pale Ale", as it's just a variation on pale ale (not to mention all but a stub).  Redirects would always be possible, so that people would be able to find any of the specific kinds of beers that they are trying to find easily.  I'd like some input before I do anything, just to flesh out some ideas, I of course will not be to rash and take this one step at a time. I'm sure there are other styles that could also be merged, but this is the first one I found. Radagast83 21:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on all counts, Radagast. I've always understood Bitter to be a form of Pale Ale, myself, though the Pale Ale aritcle seems to be offering a half-hearted objection to this system of classification. It'd be nice to get more input first, but if you want to do the merging, I'll be happy to copyedit the finished product, if you like. Drop me a line on my talk page and let's talk it over. —CKA3KA (Skazka) 01:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Gotcha, well the confusion came about because about 75% of the material found in the Pale Ale page is nearly exactly the same (different wording) from the Bitter page.  Since many of the styles are nothing but small stubs, would it be too much to have one page for all the Pale Ale styles, of which when (or if) the distinct style begins to become quite large within the article it be spun off into it's own page? Radagast83 20:40, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pale Ale/Bitter possible merge discussion

message: I have updated the infobox with the "infobox" class, which gives it the standard monobook skinned appearance, as per the majority of other infoboxes. ed g2s • talk 02:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update 

message: Hi there. I've gone through and replaced uses of the PNG version of the Beer Mug image with the original SVG image from Open Clip Art. This allows it to be better scaled to different sizes (see the demonstration at User:Mike Dillon/Sandbox#PNG v. SVG beer mug). There is a remaining problem that there is a lot of extra whitespace in the original SVG, but I'm going to fix that and upload a new version. The only remaining uses of the PNG version are on user pages with custom userboxes. Mike Dillon 21:57, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've fixed the whitespace issues. The SVG image should now be a complete replacement for the PNG, except that it looks better at different scales. Since MediaWiki already had to scale the PNG image for different sizes, the image size at download size is pretty much identical (possibly smaller for the SVG-derived images because of lack of scaling artifacts). Mike Dillon 22:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks great to me! Nice work. – ClockworkSoul 00:31, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beer Mug switched to SVG 

message: I can think of two off the top of my head: 
*Kubulli- The beer manufactured on the Carribean island of Dominica
*Balashi- The beer from Aruba.
Why don't we have that things to do with the articles for creation, expansion, etc, like all the other wikiprojects?  --Rory096 23:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Such a list would be at least five or six thousand entries long... --Stlemur 23:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but we could still have a short list of badly needed articles on a template, then have a secondary list of the thousands of articles we should have. It shouldn't be too hard to read a bit on a beer's website and maybe ratebeer.com and write a few sentences on it.  --Rory096 23:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of beers we don't have articles on 

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject Cocktails
Just started!
Good luck User:Hailey C. Shannon. SilkTork 09:08, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey everybody 

message: Not that it's really that notable, but I've heard the top three events every year in terms of barrels of beer consumed are the Kentucky Derby, Princeton's Reunion, and the Indianapolis 500. Anyone else ever heard or can confirm this?
:I can't imagine that is true.  What about the super bowl or NCAA final four or soccer world cup?  I would imagine a tremendous amount of beer is consumed on those days.  I would be interesting to find some information on consumption per event though.  --Judzillah 18:02, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, assuming that it is true, I would imagine that it's because they have larger crowds at the site (counting only people in the stadium for the superbowl/NCAA final game), and they all last much longer. The superbowl and NCAA final (Final 4 is 3 seperate games) are several hours long. The two races last all day (from when fans arrive to when they leave) and princeton's reunion is an uninterrupted weekend long affair that every Princeton grad is invited to-not just from a specific year. Note, this is in the us, so world cup is out. Still though, this is all iffy, and it would be interesting to see some sort of facts on it. Leppy 18:25, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have heard of something similar: That since the Indy 500 went dry Princeton Reunions is the recurring event which makes the largest Budweiser purchase.  I assume that the Superbowl, etc. only count the stadium itself; it is also of note that Princeton Reunions lasts for three days. Dgadala 18:35, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oktoberfest and GBBF are huge dedicated beer drinking events. And Europeans tend to drink lots of beer. If someone is interested in doing research on beer consumption around the globe, including individual events, I think there may be a place for it on Wiki somewhere. SilkTork 07:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest Yearly events by consumption =

message: A user with this project  has been attempting merging the articles on Smithwick's and Harp Lager into the article for Guinness on the basis listed here. Yet as i look on this project i see nothing saying that this is a policy or that their is an effort underway to do as much, or has ever been discussed. Also their has been no discussion of a possible merger on the involved pages either in a formal or informal way. Therefore, before a merge is done a merge tag should be applied and appropriate discussion should be take so that parties involved have a chance to give their opinions. I also believe that this is a bad idea to merger these articles anyway, as both  Smithwick's and Harp Lager are no longer considered "Guinness" brands, as in the way one would think the various "Miller" or "Bud" beers as brands of their respective "Miller" or Budweiser" parent, though they are all in one part or another under the larger Diageo flag. Also when i think of Smithwick's i don't tend to have Guinness come to mind. Smithwick's and Guinness have maintained a fairly separate brand identity from each other, as well as a history, lesser so for Harp. Also considering that that the current Guinness article, which has been marked as a GA, would no longer be a GA if this article merge were to move forward. Besides the mention of Kaliber the article entirely focusses on Guinness "the beer" and the mention of other "related beers" would only go on to confuse readers in that they would associated Guinness associated items with these other brews. If anything the Smithwick's and Harp article should be improved and not merged into theses what would soon become overly bloated superbrewey articles. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 07:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, i noticed that the first time the merger was made, forgot to mention it above.--Boothy443 |  trácht ar 08:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Merging in regards to Guinness 

message: Following varying discussions on other beer pages, a brief discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beer/Archive, current ongoing procedure and an explanation of intention during the process on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 April 4 (which was related to the entire re-catorisation of all the beer articles), the consensus has been to move individual beer articles into the main article of the parent brewery or brand holder. This procedure is not explicit policy, it is understood that editors may and do have differences of opinion, and there has not been a long and developed discussion in which many people have given their views. Therefore, when during a merge into Guinness of Harp Lager, Smithwick's and Macardle Moore Brewery, User:Boothy443 reverted back and objected to lack of appropriate merge tags being used, it seemed appropriate that another opportunity be given for people to air their views on the general policy of dealing with beer brands. Please give your views. Should beer brands be discussed in a major article on the brewery/brand owner in which related matters and other brands can be detailed together - or would be be more appropriate for beer brands to be detailed on both the brewery page and in an individual article with, however, some repetition of information? SilkTork 12:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry - didn't see that a discussion had already started. SilkTork 12:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beer or brewery 

message: Does anyone know a good site for finding out all the beers produced by a brewery?  I'm doing a small page on the Pearl Brewing Company, and I'll like to put a listing of all the beers that carried the Pearl name, even those bought from other companies such as Country Club and Falstaff.  Also, since I'm bugging you guys, does anyone know the story behind a Malt Liquor called 900 Malt?  At one point I read that it was an alternate name for Country Club (Pabst brand), but I've also seen it listed as an completely seperate beverage, but if that's the case then what brewery created it?   --Brownings 19:45, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If their website does not tell you much and Google fails you, I suggest getting in touch with their PR person (Pabst owns the brands now right?). Usually these people are not busy at all and are always glad to help with stuff like that, especially if it is going to get their name out there.--Nis pero 22:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Determining a Brewery's Diffrent Brews

message: The brewbox I saw on some brewery pages handled by this project inspired me to come up with a beerbox, which I thought to be very necessary. You can see the examples in the main WikiProject:Beer page and in the how-to page for this beerbox. Suggestions are more than welcome mates.--Nis pero 22:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, that looks awesome!! It's about time we had one of those... :) Thanks! --Daniel11 22:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks mate, I was also planning to make a bstylebox template for beer styles, that has info on color (°L), accepted IBU range, etc. Speaking of which, maybe a color template for the beerbox should be made aswell. If anyone has that information handy, that is.--Nis pero 22:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beerbox Template 

message: Has their been some kind of change in how this box is supposed to be used or something. A user SilkTork (talk • contribs) has been basiclay canablising the infoboxes, basiclay stripping them of images and information, and placing the boxes at the bottom of the page in the external links, which all but deprecheat the functionality of the boxes, i noticed this before, but decided to say something after catching it on Carlsberg, which was moved to Carlsberg Brewery, whiht the reason being "In keeping", in keeping with what, is their some kind of MOS for names of these articles that didn't catch, or was a WP:RM not posted on the article. I know i am not as active as i would like to be in this project, due to other projects that i am involed with and such, but still. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 08:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First I've seen of this.  I know I haven't heard of any changes, but it's not like this project group are huge talkers.  There are a lot of things I'd like to change about the Brewbox, but the example on the Carlsberg just bad.  It kills our only bit of uniformity for the project and doesn't provided a lot of info.  I didn't look, but have you tried changing it to the standard format and he/she reverted it on you?  --Brownings 09:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No i havn't done any reverson of the type to the article, though i have considered it. I did though move the article back to Carlsberg from Carlsberg Brewery. Similar changes have been doen to Guinness where the user decribed above, basiclay canabilzed more then half the article and transfered it to St. James's Gate Brewery, so now St. James's Gate Brewery has a lot of extranious information that has leiitle to do with the borwery, as well as the inclusion of 2 beers that are not even brwed their, Smithwicks i belive is still brewed in Kilkenny, and Mcardles in Dundalk. Becides the point the article was split their was no discussion or warning, and it was based on a idea floated by another user in a merger discussion, still though their hardly discussion in the merger discussion to warent the type of edit of the sort. I am considering reverting that back as well. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 10:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Ooooo...I like it.  The beerbox does stink.  I'm not hot on how it looks and I think it really lacks some fields, especially if you're working on a brewery that is closed or boughtout.  The film one is pretty sweet, a real improvement over the one we're using now. --Brownings 09:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is that by naming the parameters, they don't have to exist when you use them, unlike automatically numbered parameters. The best idea would be to change it all to one template, with a number of options including date opened, date closed, date bought, etc. If anyone has AWB, that could assist in changing the parameters over to the new infobox too. -Mysekurity [m!] 03:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BrewBox 

message: I've created the above article as the style is increasingly being recognized as distinct by brewers in the UK, but would like input on expansion and a better way to categorize it, especially given the conflict with blonde ale. --Stlemur 14:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Golden ale (UK)]] 

message: Is there a "punch list" somewhere of apparently omitted topics the Beer Project ought to include? Specifically, I'm surprised there's no mention in Wikipedia of Jack McAuliffe's New Albion Brewing Company in Sonoma -- which didn't last long but is now considered the pioneer effort in the craft brewing movement and probably the first "microbrewery." (It's a toss-up between New Albion and Maytag's Anchor Steam, I guess.) This may not be the right place to ask, but I haven't found a better one . . . and while I've done quite a few Wikipedia articles, I don't feel especially qualified in the area of beer history. (I just like to drink it!) --Michael K. Smith 16:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a sub-section (entitled Articles in need of editing or creation) for such topics on the main WikiProject Beer page.  I have already added Jack McAuliffe and New Albion Brewing Company, but, if there are other breweries/beers/people you would like to bring attention to, that is the place to include them.  --(Mingus ah um 19:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where can I find this sub-section at?  There are two local brewers I'd like to add and eventually expand on. --Brownings 22:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Go to the main WikiBeer page (Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer), and click on the seventh topic in the contents box (Articles in need of editing or creation).  --(Mingus ah um 00:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Possibly Omitted Topics?

message: # self-nominate to keep —Michael Z. 2006-07-10 19:32 Z
# --Brownings 19:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keep 

message: A discussion document has been opened up. Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer/Notability Criteria. Please put in your views either on the main page or on the attached talk page. If we want to list every brewery on the planet then I feel we should get some valid criteria behind us. SilkTork 16:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If every town on the planet, every species on the planet, and every episode of M*A*S*H gets its own article, every brewery can have its own article. I propose that we work hierarchically:
* Breweries with enough information for their own article get their own article.
* Breweries with only enough notable information to be stubs go into a regional article, e.g. "Breweries in Manitoba".
* Breweries with only enough notable information to be a substub go into a list in that regional article.
* We expand the size of regions along natural lines until they include enough information to be decent articles, e.g., rather than "Breweries in the Northwest Territories" and "Breweries in the Yukon Territory" and "Breweries in Nunavut", "Breweries in northern Canada".
* Historic breweries of note with substantial information get their own articles, e.g. Ballantine's.
* Historic breweries with little information go into the regional articles as above.
* Historic breweries with no information except their existence are excluded, unless the region in the article is of particular historical significance; e.g. we'd list at least many closed breweries in Burton upon Trent on the assumption that they were notable just for having been there.
My reasoning for being so inclusionist is as follows: any given brewery produces a unique product; even the very smallest produces enough to serve at least several dozen, usually several hundred people; and since brewing is universally a regulated market, the category is intrinsically finite.
My reasoning for not being exclusionist, meanwhile, is that as far as I can tell there is no way to set any notability criteria that aren't entirely arbitary. The uniqueness of a beer is intrinsic; you brew the same recipe two miles down the road, it will taste different. --Stlemur 16:18, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: So which articles include trivia like that? --Stlemur 00:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *If you mean the reference to the brewery cat, I was - um - attempting to be amusing. I'm not very good at it, as you noticed! ;) SilkTork 10:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability criteria discusion document 

message: I've just started the article Mash ingredients, concerning all the different malts, grains, and adjuncts used in brewing. --Stlemur 14:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about calling it Mash (beer) or [Mashing]? — goethean ॐ 14:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mashing deserves its own article, IMO, since there can be quite a lot of detail regarding enzymes, sparging, decoction versus infusion, etc. --Stlemur 14:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I see your article now. The link was red before. — goethean ॐ 14:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mash ingredients 

message: What is everyone's feeling on restaurant that brew their own beer?  Should we create articles on them and if so, should they fall under the beer project?  I have couple in my local area that have some great brews, but even though they are called "xxxxxx Brewing Company" their business is primarily focused on the restaurant side since they have no plans to sell their beers outside of their restaurant.  Any thoughts?  --Brownings 12:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restaurants with Breweries 

message: What is everybodies thoughts on labelling each beer - possibly in an info box - with whether it is suitable for vegans and vegetarians? Many beers use isinglass for clarification which is made from fish. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.3.70.68 (talk • contribs) 09:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I oppose adding this to the infobox, for I do not think that this is an issue for the vast majority of beer enthusiasts.  However, I have no problem with the idea of mentioning the use of isinglass within the body of the article and/or identifying vegitarian friendly beers (also within the body of the article). --(Mingus ah um 09:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with not changing the current beerbox.  That poor beerbox is so horrible and needs updating that its sad, better just to let it die a slow death.  However, making a button or a tag that IDs a vegan/vegetrian beer in the body would be an awsome idea.  Do any the articles on food, vegans, or vegetarians already have a "Veg-Friendly" product tag?  62.3.70.68 21:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it would be interesting to mention this in the articles somewhere. I agree that the beerbox isn't that great, but it would be good to have it in some sort of standard format. Also, there is the problem of reliable sources. While a few breweries do state on their website or on the bottle / can whether they are vegan / vegetarian the vast majority don't. You could contact the brewery directly, but that's becoming original research. There are various "is it vegan?" lists around, but they can be unreliable, out of date and contradictory. Also note that for global brands, they may be vegan in some countries but not others. And some beers use in isinglass for the draught versions, but not for bottles / cans etc. But still, I think its a good idea to add this to articles somehow, for those where you have reliable information for veg*n or not. --Vclaw 13:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going over to the article on Vegetarianism to ask if they have some type of logo.  From what I can see on the article, there isn't one (other than one from India), but perhaps they can help us out with some suggestions.  --Brownings 15:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the vegetarian logo is normally a green V shaped like two leaf shoots from a flower - often with an actual leaf on the second upright... http://www.ivu.org/news/3-98/vegsoc.gif 62.3.70.68 21:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks 62.3.70.68.  Should we run with this logo on brewery/beer pages?  The logo is ok, but could be used to put into some type of template/button, kind of like the interest buttons on everyone's personal pages.  Speaking of which, is there an interest button for vegetarians/vegans, maybe we could use that.  --Brownings 21:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Found the Vegetarian user box, see below. Not bad, maybe we can tweak it for use on products. --Brownings 21:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 
[help] I have added comments about using isinglass to Foster's Lager and Stella Artois that keep getting repeatedly deleted by I suspect the same user. How can this be prevented without discussion? Dr Wong 22:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Without discussion?  Just be bold.  Fight the good fight, and, when it starts to piss you off... Try discussion. --(Mingus ah um 23:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beers not suitable for vegans and vegetarians 

message: Hefeweizen seems ripe for a collaboration-of-the-month: basic structure good, wants pictures, wants fleshing out. How's about it? --22:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collaboration 

message: I'm not sure if any other projects have made something beyond a user box but I put this idea forth for discussion.  Find a place online that can make custom mugs:
Wikipedia's WikiProject Beer
We enjoy wikiing best with a beer in hand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Beer
Start of a design that we could put on a clear mug or something.  This is kind of an off the cuff idea.  Heck maybe custom coasters to boot!  Any interest?  Depending on the price and quality I might splurge for a dozen myself.  Cburnett 21:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cold beer?  How disgusting.  I'd much rather be able to taste my beer.  Looks as if someone has left some detergent in the bottom of the tankard, as well.  :-)  Noisy | Talk 21:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just "beer" then... Cburnett 22:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project mug? 

message: There's a brewery article up for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhodell Brewery.  This one is probably only significant if we consider all commercial breweries significant.  Feel free to express opinons there.  Friday (talk) 05:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: see also Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bagg%C3%A5rdsbryggeriet, which resulted in a deletion.  However the article in question was just a one-lines stub.  It does appear that a significant number of editors would be inclined to just use WP:CORP for breweries, which probably means many smaller ones would be subject to deletion.  Friday (talk) 17:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Practical test of notability 

message: Where did the old X rating system start at?  Was it England?  Anyone know exactly on what the brewer/beer was being rated on?  What determined who would get a single X, and who would get the XXX?  Three Xs is the highest you could get right?  --Brownings 15:38, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was to do with the strength of the beer. X being weaker than XXXX. K being weaker than X. And A signifying a pale colour. SilkTork 00:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmmm, interesting.  Thanks for the info.  Is there anywhere the guidelines are laid out?  I tried looking up XXX on Wikipedia, but as you can guess that got me off into an entirely diffrent subject.  --Brownings 02:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

text: You can find more explanation of the 19th century British beer classifications here:
http://www.europeanbeerguide.net/beerale.htm#19c
Patto1ro 17:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Beer rating system (X, XX, or XXX)

message: I have been enjoying beer (European) for almost 40 years. I am a member of Zythos (the Belgian beer consumers union). But, until I came to Wikipedia, I had never heard of the "Beer Judge Certification Program." Perhaps in the States this is a huge thing, but in Europe, it is unknown.
The beer pages here, as I understand it, are universal: not only American or European. Beer styles, for example, are universal. Nevertheless, in many articles, I see things like this: "BJCP are the world experts in determining the style of a beer." There is no citation or reference given, just a simple statement of "fact."
On the Beer Styles page, I removed references in the article to the BJCP because, whether they are influential in the US or not, beer styles, as discussed in that article, are independent of a single organisation. But user:BalfourCentre removed my edits and wrote: "BJCP are the main determiners of what is a beer style. They have decided that most beer styles fall into either:..."
Why, for example, is this organisation listed as a style of beer?! (
I cannot speak to beer in Asia, South America, the Middle East or other areas of the world, but in Europe, I can assure you that the BJCP plays no role whatever in determining or defining beer styles.
What I see as the main problem here is that there are people who seem determined to see that the BJCP is cited in a most positive light in any article having to do with beer.
In the article about American beer, perhaps this organisation has a place, but outside of articles specifically dealing with American beer, citing them seems more promotion than clarification.
If I am wrong about any of this, please be kind enough to cite disinterested third parties who provide evidence to the contrary. Mikebe 14:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, the BJCP are only barely active outside the US. --Stlemur 13:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are absolutely correct. However, the point is more that their only activity seems to be judging at American beer brewing contests, which does not necessarily make them experts in beer styles nor does it make their guidelines of interest to consumers of commercial beer. Mikebe 17:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I've had a go at cleaning it up a bit. I'm not seeing your edits in the history, though. --Stlemur 14:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at the beer styles page, you should see plenty of my edits. I would like to also remove them from the Category:Beer Styles, but I haven't figured out how. Shandy also needs to be removed as it is not a beer style, but a drink style.Mikebe 17:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: BJCP and beer?

message: Coemgenus has been gracious enough to start an article on Paul Kalmanovitz.  Everyone feel free to drop by and add your two cents.  Thanks Coemgenus.  --Brownings 19:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Paul Kalmanovitz Article

message: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_September_10#Wikipedians_by_diet
Please have a look and vote if you're interested in keeping the category for wikipedians who drink beer. This is tied to people who use the template indicating that they drink beer. Thanks! --Daniel11 17:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice of vote on deletion of beer-drinkers category 

message: I'm proposing a sister project doing the same things for liquors, that this project and wikiproject wine do for beer and wine... I'm a bit new to Wikipedia, this and wine are the only two projects I have joined so far... I would be quite happy to work on all three as drinking (when not working) is a passion of mine.
:It'd come off of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Food_and_Drink as a child project; maybe we should create an "alcoholic drinks" child project of Food and Drink, which would be parent to Beer, Wine, and Liquor? --Stlemur 10:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liquor? 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.  B2T2 20:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it would be a good time to set up some stuff like a dedicated collaboration page, instead of the section we have on the main page, and a place for peer review and assessment..... --Daniel11 14:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: Hi there. I have gone ahead and made unified versions of the "Brewbox" and "Beerbox", namely  and . These two templates conditionally call the appropriate "brewbox_*" and "beerbox_*" templates using ParserFunctions. As an example, I have converted two brewery articles to use  (Anderson Valley Brewing Company and Stone Brewing Company) and one beer article to use  (Budweiser (Anheuser-Busch)). The templates have pretty good documentation (format cribbed from ), but it isn't as detailed as How to use the brewboxes and How to use the beerboxes. I didn't update those articles to add examples of the new templates, since I wasn't sure whether they really should go there or on Template talk:Infobox Brewery and Template talk:Infobox Beer.
In addition to these changes, I also created :Category:WikiProject Beer templates and moved all of the templates from :Category:WikiProject Beer into that category. This allows the templates to be in a category that descends from :Category:Wikipedia templates.
If the project wants to adopt the unified templates, we may want to consider inlining the individual pieces of the templates. However, the conditional table stuff is tricky to get right regardless of how it is done. Inlining would mean extensive use of the  template. Mike Dillon 22:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added some docs to the template talk pages. I'm going to leave the "How to" articles alone for now, but we might want to update them and link to them from the respective template talk pages to show worked out examples that shouldn't be done with trademarked logos. Mike Dillon 22:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beer and brewery infoboxes, [[:Category:WikiProject Beer templates]] 

message: Whatever happened to good old fashioned handled mugs? A wag recently informed me they'd been taken off production. The absence of any mention at all of the British style (none of these American impersonations) makes me wonder if they ever existed...
Also known as pineapple glasses, or hand grenade mugs, if that sparks any memories. Does anyone know their proper name, or if there is an article on them anywhere...? You must know what I mean, the tings that old men ask for and are hanging up behind all good locals...
:This type of mug is discussed briefly at Pint glass#Common shapes. Mike Dillon 20:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what you're talking about.  I remember seeing, and visiting, quite a few bars that kept mugs hanging behind the bar for frequent customers.  Honestly though, it's been years since I've seen that done.  Seems that Pint glasses are all the rage these days in both regular use at the bars and for collecting.  I mean, when was the last time you saw a handled mug with your favorite local brewery's logo on it?  Handled mugs did, and still do, exist, it's just they're not as popular as the Pint glass so that's why no one is bothering to make them.  --Brownings 04:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Handled mugs 

message: I just created :Category:WikiProject Beer participants under :Category:WikiProject Beer. Feel free to add yourself. Mike Dillon 00:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:WikiProject Beer participants]] 

message: Hi, what do we think about a user removing the Beer Judge Certification numbers from he beer style templates?   This user's other edits are also questionable. — goethean ॐ 16:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beer Judge Certification numbers 

message: The page for Victory Brewing Company is clearly written by someone from the company and is not objective.  It also has ad text for Hopdevil that is not labeled.  The page reads weird.  Can someone fix this? Maxwahrhaftig 23:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a revamp to the page.  Take a look and see what you think.  I tried to get rid of the advertisment speak and put the article into plain English.  I also redid the company logo and corrected the beers, many of the beers that were listed haven't been produced by Victory in years.  The beers I have up there now are what's listed on Victory's official site.  There were three additional beers that are avalible only in the resturant and only on tap.  I didn't list these, but if anyone thinks they should be added, please feel free to do so.  Max, if you think my rework is good enough, please take off the standards banner.  I would have taken it off, but I'd rather give another person the chance to object.  Oh, and that reminds me.  I need help on all the beer styles for the beerbox.  I got a few, but most I didn't know so I just put a "?" in for their style.  If anyone would like to research the beers and add the style in, please feel free.  --Brownings 05:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victory Brewing Company 

message: Hey I am going to try to start the Beer Wiki back up again. It went defunct and Wikia kept it on the servers, and me and this other person have started it back. I'm a Bureaucrat and I can make admins to get the process rolling along. We can make the Beer Wiki a directory and do whatever we really want to. I've talked with community support and they are glad I'm getting this going again.I'm Severian and it'd be great it some of you guys came over and helped out.--Sevvvy 05:55, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [http://beer.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Beer Wiki] 

message: Beginning cross-post.
:See Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team#Stablepedia. If you wish to comment, please comment there. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 00:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stablepedia 

message: Basic Brewing Radio has a very interesting interview of Eric Salazar and Peter Bouckaert on La Folie beer from New Belgium Brewery here: http://img669.libsyn.com/img669/d5901ec47c251072e72781491e83db94/456c4e2a/7924/4011/bbr10-19-06.mp3
I especially recommend all contributors listen to the beginning of Peter Bouckaert (about 10 minutes into the show). Mikebe 20:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highly recommended interview