Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football

message: Uruguayan Football Association created a new national team in April which will only include players from Uruguayan leagues. As per the federation, it is a new project and not the usual Uruguay senior team. Their sporting director confirmed the same. This team is about to play its first match this week against Costa Rica (who are expected to field their normal senior team).
Anyway, this national team is called as Selección del Medio Local by the Uruguayan federation. How should we name this team in English? These are few options I thought of:
1) Uruguay national football B team (like England B, France B etc.)
2) Uruguay A' national football team (like Algeria A' and Nigeria A' which are local national teams of those countries)
3) Uruguay League XI national football team (like Denmark League XI)
4) Uruguay local national football team
Since I am not sure about the name and WP:GNG, it is currently located at Draft:Uruguay A' national football team. Your suggestions and comments are welcome. Kokoeist (talk) 18:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: See , although I'm not sure that a separate article for any of these countries is needed. As far as I am aware, full caps are awarded when they play, it is simply a decision by the FA to only play local players (e.g. for African Nations Championship). GiantSnowman 18:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: sounds like it technically still counts as the official team, and could tank their rankings etc. shuld prob just count as actual first team matches.Muur (talk) 05:08, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Statements in the link above ('confirmed the same') indicate pretty strongly that it is not the full team, particularly that there is no requirement to release the players and a few club coaches said they wouldn't do so. It is not clarified whether Uruguay or Costa Rica's ranking points will be affected, or if either nation will award caps. It would maybe be better to wait til this match is played to determine the exact status of this team; often there are better sources after the fact. Would be interesting if other countries started doing this too (and easier to group them together on the site)... Crowsus (talk) 08:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: appearances for nigeria a and algeria a count as full international caps. though based on them being outside the fifa calender and what not, they may count as unofficial fifa matches.Muur (talk) 00:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  New national team 

message: The article isn't very clear, but is the former Burton Albion goalkeeper and Neil Warnock's assistant the same person who played for Sheffield Wednesday and Mansfield Town in the Football League (making 6 appearances for the latter)? The Mansfield stint in the infobox was added by an IP over a decade ago without a source, so I'm unsure whether it's correct. Also, according to Warnock in a press conference last year, Evans had died a week earlier. Any help would be appreciated. S.A. Julio (talk) 04:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The article "Evans gets a new role" from when Warnock joined Notts County, mentions that Evans had played for Boston FC and Mansfield Town. Hack (talk) 00:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, anyone have more information on his career from ENFA? Or his death date? S.A. Julio (talk) 23:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Paul Evans (football manager)]] 

message: Moses Swaibu could use more eyes. In the past week two IPs, likely the same person, have removed reliably sourced content and added poorly sourced content. Per WP:DUE, I think it would be fair to update the article to mention Swaibu's activity since going to prison, using articles from The Athletic  and The Guardian . Robby.is.on (talk) 10:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Semi-protected to stop disruption. GiantSnowman 18:18, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, GS. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 00:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moses Swaibu 

message: Should we be adding two loan spells for Timo in the infobox and stats?  Govvy (talk) 11:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally would just leave it as one since it got extended before his current deal expired. Ortizesp (talk) 21:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The BBC describes it as an "extension", rather than a separate spell, so I'm content for there to be one loan spell. GiantSnowman 18:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Timo Werner]] loan spells? 

message: Why are AFC Bournemouth sorted by "AFC" and not by "Bournemouth"? The "AFC" or "FC" is a prefix or suffix that the vast majority of clubs have, it isn't in the main part of the name and it doesn't seem useful for sorting, as you just end up with all the "AFC..." clubs sorted together. Similarly, to have AFC Wimbledon and Wimbledon FC sorted at either end of the alphabet doesn't make sense, it is logical that they should be together (not because the clubs share any kind of relationship but because they both have the name Wimbledon). Do we have a guideline on how to sort clubs? Or is it that the complexity of handling potentially different formats of club names just makes it easier to sort every club by its full name? --Jameboy (talk) 10:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There isn't even consistency as AFC Blackpool is set to default sort under B..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I would say sort without standard prefixes (such as FC/AFC/SC) --SuperJew (talk) 11:40, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it does seem to be in their team name. That’s why Bournemouth start the season above arsenal in the official pl table. Muur (talk) 12:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also a Bournemouth FC, so I guess to prevent ambiguity, the sorting with prefixes might be needed. Though it is unlikely any time within the next few years both Bournemouth football clubs will play against each other in the league. And since AFC Bournemouth were promoted back, they are listed below Arsenal and Aston Villa when it comes to the list of teams alphabetically, as well as the current league table in 2024–25 Premier League. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 12:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: seems the prremier league does indeed list them below arsenal and villa on the official tables (i looked at historic tables via the wayback machine for when everyone played 0 matches). which is funny as i remmeber an interview where tehy said they named themselves afc bournemouth to be the first team in the tables listed above arsenal. the championship table site only goes to august 2023 on the wayback machine so im not sure what the url was before that to see how the efl lsited them in their last championship season.Muur (talk) 12:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I vaguely remember that we've had this conversation before, and it was agreed to sort using "AFC", but it was a while ago and I could be wrong ... Black Kite (talk) 13:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I don't think we should be sorting on the suffix. There are a lot of European teams with FC or FK at the start and I think it would make it more difficult for readers to find what they are looking for if they are all sorted under F. I think readers would find it more useful if Bournemouth/Wimbledon/Halifax Town were sorted under Bournemouth, Wimbledon and Halifax Town respectively rather than FC or AFC even when the suffix is necessary for disambiguation. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 17:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - this should be 'B' for 'Bournemouth'. GiantSnowman 17:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Default sort for clubs 

message: I need help me in reach consensus about the way North American Soccer/Football rights are listed in broadcast lists, since this issue is happening a lot, i feel we need seek for a definite consensus about it so dont it happens again and again.
It is happening now in Talk:UEFA Euro 2024 broadcasting rights#Why Language Spit for USA/Canada is needed , but also happened in Talk:2023 FIFA Women's World Cup broadcasting rights as well in past but had reached consensus about this theme.
The most debate it has, the better, I think that this is too much overlooked and should be resoved as far as possible, also to be clear: THIS IS FOR NORTH AMERICA LISTING ONLY, some people assumed it was for all regions, but from what I looked, is only a North American thing and won´t be a precedent for other regions, as the only region that does it, europe, has pretty much rights concentred into the European Broadcasting Union (EBU).
Since the euro is coming closer, i feel it is a thing that should have some urgency to have debate and get some sort of conesnsus, I also posted in WikiProject Sports Talk Page - Meganinja202 (talk) 02:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus about North American rights listing is needed 

message: For players who move clubs during a tournament year eg Mbappe this summer. How do we approach this? As it doesn't seem right to say "he won the Euros while playing for Madrid" when he's never played a game for them. This is just a hypothetical re Mbappe but their are many players who this senario would apply to and was wondering if there are any rule as to how to approach this when editing. Mn1548 (talk) 17:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Who will he be contracted to if/when he wins the tournament...? GiantSnowman 18:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a seemingly logical answer but causes inconsistencies with players who transfer mid tournament. Eg Ona Batlle being listed as a United player in the list of 2023 World Cup Squads but not being listed as a player who won the World Cup while at the club on their statistics page. Personally, I think the club where the player played their last competitive game should be used in all contexts as its more consistent and provides more useful information. Mn1548 (talk) 19:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it doesn't. The club contracted at the date of the final will not change. GiantSnowman 20:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The majority of contract end on 30 June and start of 1 July, the majority of competitions rune mid June to mid July. Mn1548 (talk) 14:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: You are clearly not understanding what I am saying. What club will they be contracted with when the tournament finishes? GiantSnowman 16:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Why do you have to mention his club? Seasider53 (talk) 18:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't, in prose, but there are a number of instances where that is needed. Mn1548 (talk) 19:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

text: If you look at the squads page lede, you'll see it says quite clearly  :) --SuperJew (talk) 18:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see it sats that there but is that true for all squad tables for all tournaments ie is there a standard on Wikipedia for it? And if so, is that standard true for outside of squad table eg "List of [Team] records and statistics". Mn1548 (talk) 19:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: hes a psg player for the first half and then madrid for the second half (as per his contrat starting on july 1). in regards to "last team tehy played for", what if he breaks his leg and then get called up a year later - do you still list as psg cuz he didnt play for madrid yet?Muur (talk) 20:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember this issue coming up before when someone kept changing Dommarumma's club to Milan on the Italy roster after he moved to PSG because he hadn't played since then. But it was like October and I feel like the consensus was to change it to his new club on the roster page. RedPatch (talk) 23:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say the tournament squads page, use the team at the beginning of the tournament, so PSG. The actual France squad can change to Madrid on 1 July as that is a continuously evolving page which is kept up to date. RedPatch (talk) 01:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus we can always add a note indicating if a player has joined a new club during the course of the tournament, don't really see an issue with that. Jay eyem (talk) 04:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Also agreed Mn1548 (talk) 14:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Agreed Mn1548 (talk) 14:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Think there is a difference between not playing because of injury, and no playing because every game possible to play is in the future. Mn1548 (talk) 14:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footballers moving clubs during tournaments 

message: Hi all, I have a similar question to the topic above. I'm updating list of Burnley F.C. internationals and Burnley's season is over (luckily). Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson left the club as a free agent, although his contract only runs out on 30 June. He has been called up by Iceland who play two matches before his contract runs out. The club has not included him in the overview of players who received call-ups. If Guðmundsson plays, would you include these caps in the list or not? Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 11:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. He's still under contract till 30 June, so if the appearances come on or before that date, they're the appearances of a Burnley player. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, plus this instance eludes to the point I was making that he's been called up to international duty based of his performances at Burnley NOT as a player who is currently a free agent. Mn1548 (talk) 14:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  A similar question 

message: Hello. Can someone explain (better than me) to user AutisticAndrew that the prose practice below the image in the infobox should be "Wembley Stadium in London hosted the final"? See talk page and history page, moreover, see problem ongoing here Island92 (talk) 15:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[2023–24 UEFA Champions League]] 

message: I would like to draw attention to the user Khoa41860 and his contributions , who is making false claims in the edit summaries (with "update formatting") to make significant changes to sport and football articles. This behavior is repetitive and even ignores, after some time hast passed, closed discussions, if no consensus has been reached in his favor.(example)
I have revised his last edits, which wanted to add the Czechoslovakian records at the FIFA World Cup to Slovakia, here also with false claims in the edit summaries,.Diff example. I also warned him on his talk page about this behaviour, but he deleted it so that no one else would notice that he does repetitive disruptive edits under false pretenses in the edit summary. (Diff: deletion of the warning) Miria~01 (talk) 18:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I see a lot of past warnings on their talk page. I would hope that it is merely incompetence rather than insolence, but regardless of the explanation it may be time to report this user to the Administrator's noticeboard. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 02:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Khoa41860]] ([[User talk:Khoa41860|talk]])  

message: Hello everybody! I am quite new in the english wikipedia. The topic I´m adding is related to the count of matches in the Argentina-Brazil football rivalry article and all the related articles derived: Argentina national football team results (1920–1939), Argentina national football team results (1940–1959), Argentina national football team results (1960–1979), also in Argentina national football team results (unofficial matches), in Brazil national football team results (unofficial matches) and in Brazil national football team records and statistics. 
I want you to tell me, please, the "consideration" of the sources here. If in the Wikiprojet Football is more valuable or "important" a source of Elo Ratings   or 11v11   or Rsssf.com  that show a list of matches, or a source of FIFA that also shows the list of matches FIFA official´s page (archive). Argentina vs. Brazil head to head. February 2013. FIFA´s source is from Feb. 2013. After that date, they played 10 times, with 4 wins for Argentina, 4 wins for Brazil, and 2 ties. To see the complete list of matches according to this FIFA´s source, please click in "Advanced search", and then in "Show all matches". 
I only put FIFA´s source to be neutral, but there are many others sources with the complete list of matches of serious organisations or sites that differ with Elo Ratings, 11v11 and Rsssf. For example, AFA (Argentine Football Association) , El Gráfico  and many others that agree with FIFA´s source...
My opinion is that the most important and official source in football that we can have is FIFA... No other site or association can be above FIFA. I think that any source by any web or page or organisation CAN´T be above a FIFA´s official source, because FIFA means official in the world of football, and FIFA is the major world football official organization. For me, I repeat, a single FIFA source "kills" any other source in football. 
So, for you and the members of the WP Football: is an Elo ratings, 11v11, and rsssf source more important than a FIFA´s source???
Can you participate in the talk page of the article Argentina-Brazil football rivalry?  Thanks! Regards, Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk) 22:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is an Elo ratings, 11v11, and rsssf source more important than a FIFA´s source???