Talk:Paratrooper

message: Is there anyone out there who could make this article apply more generally to paratroopers, and less specifically to US paratroopers? --85.224.196.223 21:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Less US focus?

message: EETech added a lot of material to this page which has been incorporated into the article.  The remainder of the material is left below for reference, but I didn't think it was wanted in the article. Kcordina 13:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The orignal article had only "The five points of performance" listed under safety, but you could also include the remainder of the sustained airborne training because it is also part of safety.  If I have more time, I will add some additional info.  (I've been a paratrooper and jumpmaster for 7 of my 13 years of service).  EETech 04:15, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Who's the jackass who edited it to say "If you become a dumb towed parachutist?"  Real immature.
b. If you become a towed parachutist and you are being towed by any item of equipment,
whether you are conscious or unconscious, that item of equipment will be cut immediately and
your main parachute will deploy.
6. Entanglements. There are two types of entanglements: High altitude and Mid altitude.
a. If you see you are going to become entangled with another jumper, immediately slip or turn
away. If you cannot slip or turn away, immediately assume a spread eagle position and try to
bounce off the fellow jumper’s canopy or suspension lines. If you do become entangled, snap into
a modified position of attention. Place your right hand over the ripcord protector flap, with your
right forearm protecting the ripcord grip. With your left hand, attempt to weave your way out of
the suspension lines the same way you entered. When jumping the soft loop center pull MIRPS
you will place either hand on the ripcord protector flap fingers pointed downward. With the
opposite hand attempt to weave your way out of the suspension lines the same way you entered.
b. If you become hopelessly entangled, and you are jumping the T-10D main parachute, the
higher jumper will use the hand under hand method to climb down to the lower jumper. Once
they are even, both jumpers will grasp each other’s main lift web and decide what type of
parachute landing fall they will make. Both jumpers will fall in the same direction. You will not
do a front parachute-landing fall. Both jumpers will observe both canopies. If one canopy
collapses, both jumpers will ride the one good canopy to the ground. One T-10D parachute can
sustain both jumpers. If both canopies collapse, both jumpers will immediately push or turn away,
creating a clear unobstructed path, and then activate their reserve parachute utilizing the Pull
Drop Method.
c. If you are jumping the MC1-1D parachute, and you become hopelessly entangled, both
jumpers will stay where they are, ensure they have a clear unobstructed path, then immediately
activate their reserve parachute utilizing the Pull Drop Method.
7. Emergency Landings.
There are three types of emergency landings: Tree Landing, Wire Landing and Water
Landing. The first one I’ll discuss is:
a. Tree Landing. If you see yourself drifting towards a body of trees, immediately try to slip
or turn away. If you cannot slip or turn away and your equipment has already been lowered, look
below you to ensure there are no fellow jumpers below you and jettison your equipment, making
a mental note of where it lands. If your equipment has not already been lowered, keep it on you to
provide additional protection as you pass through the trees. Assume a good prepare to land
attitude by keeping your feet and knees together, knees slightly bent, chin on your chest, eyes
open, and your hands in front of your face with your elbows high. Be prepared to do a PLF in the
event you pass through the trees. If you get hung up in the trees and you do not feel you can
safely lower yourself to the ground, stay where you are and wait for assistance.
If you decide to climb down, jettison all unneeded equipment. Ensure that you maintain your
ballistic helmet. Activate the quick release in the waistband then activate the chest strap ejector
snap. Place your left hand over the ripcord protector flap and apply slight pressure. Ensure you
have a clear and unobstructed path then activate the reserve parachute and lower it to the ground.
Undo the left connector snap and rotate the reserve parachute to the right. Seat yourself well into
the saddle. Activate the leg strap ejector snaps and climb down the outside of the reserve
parachute. When in doubt, stay where you are and wait for assistance.
b. Wire Landing. If you are drifting towards wires, immediately try to slip or turn away. If
you cannot slip or turn away, look below you to ensure there are no fellow jumpers below you
and jettison your equipment, making a mental note of where it lands. Assume a prepare to land
attitude by keeping your feet and knees together, exaggerating the bend in your knees, eyes open,
chin on chest, and arch your back. Place the palms of your hands high on the inside of the front
set of risers. When you make contact with the wires, begin a hard rocking motion and attempt to
pass through the wires. Be prepared to do a PLF in the event you pass through the wires. If you
get hung up in the wires, do not attempt to lower yourself to the ground. Stay where you are and
wait for assistance.
c. Water Landing. If you are drifting towards a body of water, immediately try to slip or turn
away. If you cannot slip or turn away, look below you to ensure there are no fellow jumpers
below you, and lower your equipment. You will also jettison your ballistic helmet, making a
mental note of where it lands. Activate the quick release in your waistband, unsnap the left
connector snap and rotate the reserve parachute to the right. Activate the chest strap ejector snap
and immediately regain canopy control. Prior to entering the water, assume a prepare to land
attitude by keeping your feet and knees together, knees slightly bent, eyes open, chin on your
chest, and both hands on the leg strap ejector snaps. Upon making contact with the water, activate
the leg strap ejector snaps, then throw your arms up and attempt to slide out of the parachute
harness. Once in the water, you will swim upstream or upwind away from the canopy. Be
prepared to do a PLF in the event the water is shallow.
8. B-7 Life Preserver. When jumping the B-7 life preserver, you will activate the B-7 life
preserver while still in the air. You will not jettison any of your equipment. Look below you to
ensure there are no fellow jumpers below you and lower your equipment. Assume a prepare to
land attitude and be prepared to do a PLF in the event the water is shallow. Once in the water,
activate one canopy release assembly by using one of the two methods of recovery from the drag
previously described.
9. Night Jump. When jumping at night, always give your canopy an extra look. Maintain noise
discipline and a good interval between fellow jumpers. Be prepared to do a PLF because you will
hit the ground approximately 5 to 10 seconds before you think you will.
10. AWADS. When jumping under AWADS conditions, do not lower your equipment until you
have cleared through the clouds. Do not slip or turn unless you have to do so to avoid a collision.
If you have any kind of malfunction, immediately activate your reserve parachute because you
cannot compare your rate of descent with that of fellow jumpers.
11. Parachute Landing Falls. At this time we will move to the parachute landing fall platform
and execute one satisfactory parachute-landing fall in each of the four directions. Remember to
expose the lower three points of contact for the modified parachute-landing fall. EETech 20:09, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Previous discussion

message: The bulky list of world paratrooper units is a detractor from this article. It should be split off into it's own article with a summary paragraph in this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.114.133.158 (talk) 00:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, according List of ... type articles. Also, a table (with some extra data such main base, etc  would better than a list.  --Jor70 00:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split paratrooper unit list into new article 

message: I recall hearing from my Marine father that paratroopers are not entitled to the same protections that, say, ejected fighter pilots are entitled to during their descent.  Should a section perhaps be added to deal with some of the distinctions in how the conventions apply to Paratroopers as opposed to other types of soldiers? 71.198.127.97 07:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct.  Ejecting pilots are considered non-combatants.  Paratroopers, on the other hand, are an immanent threat.  They can be shot out of the sky by anyone foolish enough to try just as legally as shooting a grunt off a truck.  Rklawton (talk) 02:59, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geneva Convention? 

message: "Britain's first airborne assault took place on February 10, 194" can we get a date for this event.--82.9.116.89 18:17, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Date confirmation for UK

message: I have added infos related to the history of French Airborne units. their history started in 1956 in the article. Will add references later if necessary and when I find reliable sources in English.
Edmond HUET (talk) 20:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: French Paratroopers

message: ...is also US military parlance for a fat ass.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avitor (talk • contribs) 17:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Heavy Drop

message: This article contains too much information about the American paratroopers.  Please, make reference to the English, German, Russian... paratroopers and remove any useless information about the American paratroopers.  Regards  --195.158.103.93 (talk) 06:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to add whatever you want.  That's what Wikipedia is all about.EETech (talk) 06:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Who defines "useless?" Caisson 06 (talk) 18:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Army 

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 10:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: I'm not an expert, but I think this article has a lot of overlap now with the Airborne forces and the different countries. I guess this article should be about just the specifics of paratroopers, and general airborne forces content could be in the other articles. If someone has experience in separating articles, maybe the training section could hold as an article of its own. I think it's the main reason of the "US-centric" complains, being so prominent in this article.
I'll try to work on this as my limited time permits, but feel free to jump in (pun not intended :-) ) --Cmontero (talk) 22:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overlap 

message: The article reports that the U.S. Army created its first test platoon in 1940. This is in keeping with Army tradition.  However, the 1935 movie West Point of the Air (filmed in 1934 on location at Randolf Field) clearly shows paratroopers exiting a large biplane formation during flight school graduation ceremonies at the movie's end.  The film footage makes it pretty clear that some sort of test unit existed at least as early as 1934.  However, before changing the article, it would make sense to find a few more sources.  Any takers?  Rklawton (talk) 23:01, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm writing from memory here, but there were interwar arguments about the ownership of the airborne in the US; I'm guessing that the 1934 film might be showing non-Army paratroopers at work, inkeeping with the statement that the first US Army test platoon was then formed in 1940. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Also writing from memory, the plans for the 1919 offensive against Germany included turning the US 1st Infantry Division into the 1st Parachute Infantry Division and dropping it on Metz. This might be worth further research. Graham1973 (talk) 12:59, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

text: If it's "non-Army" - then what is it?  Navy?  Marines?  Civilians?  The whole movie was a show-case for the U.S. Army Air Corps, so there's every reason to suspect that the paratroopers were U.S. Army soldiers.  Perhaps the Army's current paratroopers can trace back an unbroken line to the 1940 test platoon, but I think it's clear that the test platoon did not comprise the first U.S. Army soldiers trained to jump.  The 1930's saw many innovations - some great, some terrible, and even some of the great innovations were shelved by a moribund top brass.  Rklawton (talk) 14:25, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: History, U.S.

message: This section is full of information that is not well-organized and (likely) poorly translated (though the Italian page is of no use on this particular article). What's wrong with linking to the main article, as is? How can we reduce the section on Italy to minimally describe the Italian paratroopers for this article and refer readers to the other article for a full picture? Paulmnguyen (talk) 20:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italian paratroopers 

message: All the references provided are WW2 based.124.149.173.51 (talk) 03:41, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: There's a quote by Benjamin Franklin: "Five thousand balloons, capable of raising two men each, could not cost more than five ships of the line; and where is the prince who can afford so to cover his country with troops for its defense as that 10,000 men descending from the clouds might not in many places do an infinite deal of mischief before a force could be brought together to repel them?"Smallman12q (talk) 20:14, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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