Talk:Abdul Qadir Gilani

message: There is a discussion taking place to delete a related article called Shaikh Syed Abdul Razzaq Jilani. This article is about the son of Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani. Those who want to defend the article may do so at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shaikh Syed Abdul Razzaq Jilani. Editors are encouraged to defend the article using Wikipedia policies as the criteria for deletion is unjust and it may probably be due to the nominator's personal reasons or conflicts. Pixarh (talk) 16:52, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Article [[Shaikh Syed Abdul Razzaq Jilani]]

message: Born on 11 April, a few months a year [470 AH], corresponding to 1077 m  regular, authored: Ibn al, c 10, p 219. , and there is disagreement in the place of his birth  Book manual in the history of Shaykh al-Islam Abdel Kader, Ibrahim Droubi, Pakistan, 1959, p 52  where there are stories of multiple, notably to say his birth in [Gillan (province) | Gilan]] in the northern [[Iran] currently on the banks the Caspian Sea, and to say that he was born in  Gilan Iraq, a historic village near the towns 40 kilometers south of Baghdad, as evidenced by historical studies of academic and adopted family Kilanyia Baghdad,  * Book : geographic Baz bald achieve the birthplace of Sheikh Abdul Qadir Al-Gailani, Jamal Din Faleh al-Kilani, library likeness -berott 0.2012, p 14   Book of some lineages Arabs, D.khaha Almaadida, Dar Al Rasheed, Baghdad 0.1997, c 2:00 77.  he grew Abdul Qadir in a family described by sources Balsalehh, it was his father Abu Saleh Musa known asceticism and the slogan was applying self-restraint and sponsorship good works and so it was for the title "lover of Jihad".  Nubala - Alzhba- Foundation message - Edition: third 0.1405 AH / 1985 - c 20 - Page 439 .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by د. عمار جمال الكندي (talk • contribs) 09:04, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Qadiri order of Sufis has him as their Murshid. There are books on Tasawwuf written by him. Why do you say that he is not a Sufi Sheikh? --Nkv 05:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What happens at the tomb of nizamuddin in delhi now does not mean that nizamuddin himself endorsed that. People later on fabricate a lot of stuff, so they take him as murshid means nothing. read abdul qadir jilani's books (fatuhul Ghayb or gunitu-talibeen and like) and you will know what his aqida was. Also, there are incidents in this article without any proof. It deserves a disputed tag 68.233.38.154 11:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think it deserves a disputed tag. I don't know of anyone who seriously disputes that he was a Sufi. I can't read his books since I don't have copies nor do I understand the language. Perhaps you could post some links as to why he shouldn't be regarded as a Sufi? Also, perhaps it's a good idea to register a username for yourself? It helps track discussions and archive them. --Nkv 12:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have read all his books and have some with me.  There is one thing for certain, he was not a Wahhabi because he never advocated suicide bombing on fellow muslims just for showing love to their prophet and his house.  When Wahhabis use the word Sufi, they mean someone who worships the grave and then claim that none of the Sufi saints are really a sufi.  What a stupid claim. Hassanfarooqi 16:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

text:  you dont know the whole world - not even a small part of it Killbillsbrowser 17:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your ad hominem attacks are not helping at all. All I'm asking for is sources. --Nkv 17:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Biography

message: He was my great X grandfather. He being labeled as a Sufi isnt right. HE is a muslim and never called himself as anything else. He lived his life as much as he could as the prophet lived his life. He did not create any biddath (new false laws). 
lol have you read his books ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.240.72.135 (talk) 19:20, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Descendant speaks out 

message: You are right my brother! Sheikh Jilani never called people to worship shrines or graves of other pious people. He was a strict Hanbali and he never intended to form a sufi order. Those who came after him made him god-like figure and called him all kind of names that fit only God, such as "Gouth al-thaqalain" (the helper of humans and jins). Also, they say about him, "Abdul Qadir al-Jilani mutasarrif bi-lakawni" (i.e. A. Q. Jilani is in control of the universes!). Such saying are absolute kufr, al-Jilani had never attributed these things to himself! Bring your proofs if you are truthful!
:I don't know if you know Arabic or not but if you know, then read what Ghaus-e-Azam said in his famous Qasida Ghausia:
:وَوَلاَّنِي عَلَى الأَقْطَابِ جَمْعاً
:فَحُكْمِي نَافِذٌ فِي كُلِّ حَالِ
:وَمَا مِنْهَا شُهُورٌ أَوْ دُهُورٌ
:تَمُرُّ وَتَنْقَضِي إِلاَّ أَتَى لِي
:وَتُخْبِرُنِي بِمَأ يَجْرِي وَيأْتِي
:وَتُعْلِمُنِي فَأُقْصِرُ عَنْ جِدَالِ
:بِلاَدُ اللَّهِ مُلْكِي تَحْتَ حُكْمِي
:وَوَقْتِي قَبْلَ قَبْلِي قَدْ صَفا لِي
:Shahrukh syed (talk) 21:55, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Jilani Descendant Speaks out 

message: Having the last name of Jilani does not make someone a descendant of the Shaikh.  It just signifies that someone's ancestor has come from Jilan, or someone was a descendant of someone named Jilani.  Maybe someone became a Muslim on the hand of Jilani.  There are lots of Jilanies who are Shias and dead against the Shaikh.  After the 1947 partition, many people changed their family name during the crossing.  Even someone is a descendant of Shaikh, he can be a convert to Wahhabism.  I have seen some Jilani converts to Christianity.Hassanfarooqi 16:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Very obviously you have not read the history of Nejdi/Wahhabi movement.  It started out with a pact between desert bandit Mohammed Ibn Saud and the rouge sheikh Mohammed Ibn Abdul-Wahhab.  This pact is known as the Pact of Two Mohammeds.  This unholy alliance took over the holy land with the help of British by butchering tens of thousands of people in the holy lands, and implementing their own version of Islam. Read books like "House of Saud" etc Hassanfarooqi (talk) 17:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake descendants 

message: I find some of the discussions on here a little amusing - anonymous users with poor language skills claiming to be his descendants don't count as references.  However, there are issues with the article.  It's written from an extremely positive point of view, when it should just be neutral.  Stories such as the man having a dream about Muhammad don't add anything to the article either; this is an informative biography about a historical religious figure, not his blog.  In addition, there is an amount of controversy and criticism over his works and his followers and the article doesn't mention that.  All articles on prominent figures, especially in the realm of organized religion, should include sections for opposing views.  Despite the whining of some anonymous users - and i'm not trying to be rude, but most of what I see on this discussion page is whining - the article could use a tune-up. MezzoMezzo 21:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apologies, but no Sufi or he himself indeed ever referred to him as a 'Persian', he was known as an Ajami (foreigner) by the people of Baghdad, and he spoke fluent Farsi, which let's face it, even Afghanistanis and Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and even Hindus speak quite well, doesnt make them Persian? Let's stay on topic please.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.27.15.83 (talk) 11:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Silly discussions

message: References posted one of them states a personal opinion of the author and should not be admitted, and I quote:
"Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics: Volume 1. A - Art. Part 1. A - Algonquins By James Hastings, John A Selbie Published by Adamant Media Corporation, 2001. pg 10:"and he was probably of Persian origin"--A.H.Gaylani (talk) 12:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad use of References

message: I've removed a large section which was tagged as "original research". It came from Encyclopaedia Iranica and was a possible copyright violation. Esowteric+Talk 13:29, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so.  Don't remove valid information.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sdjsdkjsa2 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography: possible copyright violation 

message: Al-Ghunya li-Talibi Tariq al-Haqq is not a book of Shaykh Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani. It is not what I am saying but it is what Great Scholars of past said. See the references below.
 
Shaykh Abdul Haq Muhaddith Dehlavi said:
 هر گز نه ثابت شده که این تصنیف آنجناب است اگرچه انتساب بآنحصرت
 دارد 12 حاشیه بنراس
 
Hazrat Allama Maulana Abdul Aziz said:
 ولا يغرنك و قوعه في غنية الطالبين الى الغوث اعظم عبد القادر جيلاني قدس سره العزيز غير صحيحة و الاحاديث المضوعه و فيها و افرة
 شرح شرح العقائد بالنبروس 455 و کوثر النبی از موصوفِ مذکورہ ترجمہ
 
Maulana Abdul Hayy Lakhnowi wrote:
 ان الغنية ليس من تصانيف الشيخ محي الدين رضي الله عنه انه لم يثبت ان الغنية من تصانيف و ان اشتهر انتسابها اليه
 الرفع والتكميل في الجرح والتعديل
 For above reference, you can also go to http://www.aslein.net/archive/index.php/t-13478.html; http://www.islamicbook.ws/hadeth%5Calum/alrfa-waltkmil.html; or http://islamport.com/w/​mst/Web/3061/227.htm
 
The Book Imam-ul-Auliya says:
فتاویٰ نظامیہ صفحہ 235 ج 2 مشمولہ جامع الفتاویٰ میں ہے کہ بڑے بڑے علمائے دین و مؤرخین نے لکھا ہے کہ یہ کتاب حضرت سیّد عبد القادر جیلانیؒ کی نہیں ہے۔ یہ کوئی اور عبد القادر ہے۔ اگر غنیۃ الطالبین سیّدنا غوثِ اعظمؓ کی تصنیف وہابیہ غیر مقلدین کو تسلیم ہے اور صرف اسی کے بل بوتے پر حضور غوثِ پاکؓ کا اپنا ہم مسلک سمجھتے ہیں تو پھر یہ سودا انہیں گھاٹا دے گا کیونکہ غنیۃ الطالبین ان کے مذہب یعنی وہابیہ کے بھی خلاف ہے۔
 امام الاولیاء صفحہ 86 اور 87  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahrukh syed (talk • contribs) 10:55, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authenticity of Al-Ghunya li-Talibi Tariq al-Haqq 

message: هديتي لجنابكم  الشريف : كتاب جغرافية الباز الاشهب في اثبات ولادة سيدنا وجدنا عبد القادر الكيلاني في جيلان العراق لا الطبرستان : وهذا رابط التنزيل http://www.aljlees.com/7s3898203-3027.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by وسام التونسي (talk • contribs) 09:08, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: هدية

message: He was a Kurd, please change!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.109.111.248 (talk) 00:51, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. Can you point me to a good reference for this? I had a brief look but couldn't find that - just that there were Kurdish people living in the region where Gilani was born. Can we clear this up? Regards, Myrtle.Myrtlegroggins (talk) 10:41, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurd! 

message: Recently a large amount of text was added to this article. It seems to have been copied from a number of blog sites such as http://ghous-azam.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/sheikh-syed-abdul-qadir-jilani-ghous.html.
In addition to this being a copyright violation, the text is non encyclopedic and has been written in very poor English. It is also clearly a PoV.RookTaker (talk) 09:44, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried adding the tag {copyvio|http://ghous-azam.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/sheikh-syed-abdul-qadir-jilani-ghous.html} but it doesn't seem to work on the section. How can I add the copyright violation tag for part of an article? RookTaker (talk) 20:23, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violation? 

message: 'Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani is a Hanbali according to impartial academic sources such as:
"Abdul Kader Jilani is known to have lived in the twelfth century and to have been a preacher, a Sufi-master and a Hanbalite theologian—a theologian that adheres to the Hanbali school of law"
Jenny Berglund, Teaching Islam, p. 104. ISBN: 3830972776
"For example, Ansari, 'Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani, and Hujwiri were Hanbali"
John Renard, The A to Z of Sufism. p 142. ISBN: 081086343X.
"Nevertheless, many Hanbalis were initiated into Sufi brotherhoods, and one, abd al-qadir al-Jilani..."
Juan Eduardo Campo, Encyclopedia of Islam, p. 288. ISBN: 1438126964  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RookTaker (talk • contribs) 11:44, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  School of thought 

message: 'Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani is a Hanbali according to impartial academic sources such as:
"Abdul Kader Jilani is known to have lived in the twelfth century and to have been a preacher, a Sufi-master and a Hanbalite theologian—a theologian that adheres to the Hanbali school of law" Jenny Berglund, Teaching Islam, p. 104. ISBN: 3830972776
"For example, Ansari, 'Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani, and Hujwiri were Hanbali" John Renard, The A to Z of Sufism. p 142. ISBN: 081086343X.
"Nevertheless, many Hanbalis were initiated into Sufi brotherhoods, and one, abd al-qadir al-Jilani..." Juan Eduardo Campo, Encyclopedia of Islam, p. 288. ISBN: 1438126964 ~~~~  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RookTaker (talk • contribs) 19:55, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  School of thought 

message: Recently the page has started to be vandalized because of his dogma/creed, some users insist on deleting sourced content and adding their personal opinion based on original research. A neutral point of view can solve the problem, but where are the reliable sources that support the other opinion? This edit "here" is an original research. The cited source is a book written by Abdul Qadir Gilani himself, and it is not mentioned clearly/directly that he is Athari in creed.--Leopard72 (talk) 13:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, regarding your edit here, could you please let me know what is wrong with this source? Anyway, there are several other sources that confirm this info. Take for example this source:
If this is not enough, I can show you other sources saying the same thing.--Leopard72 (talk) 16:27, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Hi, it's of poor quality, being published by an obscure figure and a national trade union center. Please see WP:SPS. If this is so certain, then I'm sure there a high quality WP:RS written about it in English. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:39, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clarification. I think you're right about the first source. The second source is not a self-published source – it's completely independent from Dar al-Kutub al-'Ilmiyya. Please see WP:NONENG.
Here is another source:
Note: A collection of two hundred anecdotes/stories about Shaikh 'Abd al -Qadir al-Jilani was compiled by the Yemen-born hagiographer 'Abd Allah b. As'ad al-Yafi'i (born in Yemen, settled at Mecca in 718/1318 and died there in 768/1367). Among the books he has authored: (Asna al-Mafakhir fi Manaqib 'Abd al-Qadir) and/or (Khulasat al-Mafakhir fi Manaqib al-Shaykh 'Abd al-Qadir). As'ad al-Yafi'i (1298–1367) devoted his life to recording a various miracles of 'Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani (1077–1166). So pivotal was al-Yafi'i in the consolidation of these lines of Sufi authority in Yemen that Trimingham identified the emergence of a distinct 'Yafi'iyya' branch of the Qādiriyya there. --Leopard72 (talk) 03:35, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The second source is questionable, "may God have mercy on him", not very historian and neutral like. Isn't Dr. Muhammad Bentaja a historian? What are his credentials? And the third source (what are his credentials?) simple says that x figure from 700 years ago claims that Gilani was Ash'ari, not that he himself agrees with it or something alike, it's missing context. Sure, non-English sources can be used, but WP:SPS still comes into play. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:49, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, these are the only sources I have come across at the moment. Hopefully, someone in the future will come along and provide better sources.--Leopard72 (talk) 15:25, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I find it strange that you made an RFC on this, especially when you seemed to understand what was said. If you don't agree with this, then surely you have good reasons to do so and not due to WP:JDLI? --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:33, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creed 

message: (Formerly an RfC)
Hello, everyone! Firstly, please see the discussion in the above section entitled "Creed". I just have a simple question, are the sources mentioned above  reliable or not? Thanks in advance for your time and consideration!--Leopard72 (talk) 15:25, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh? What was the point of our discussion then? They're not, I highly advise you to read WP:RS and WP:SPS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:31, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Thank you so much for your prompt and detailed feedback. I wasn't aware of this issue and I'm very grateful that you brought it to my attention.--Leopard72 (talk) 18:34, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Read WP:VER, WP:PST and WP:CITE. Also keep remarks like "Why are you even bothering without having any knowledge about the subject (you're not muslim)." to yourself, no one wants to hear it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:17, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment 

message: Gillani is a totally different word, I've read my whole life that's it's "Jillani جیلانی" and not Gilani, this should be corrected, or correct me if I'm wrong 103.82.120.146 (talk) 23:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last Name