Talk:Haplogroup J (Y-DNA)

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First of all forgive your brother for my bad english and thank you for this article
-R1 haplogroup are "paleolithic"haplotypes(0)
-The originel language of persons of R1 haplogroup is linked with Basque and dont has any link with indo-european languages(1) 
-Semitic and indo-european languages are linked via the nostratic(2)languages theory and are all languages of neolithic timed origin(3)
-The haplogroup J is very present among Indians,Persians,Greeks,Indians(4)
-The linguistic aryanisation of india for example is only a linguistic process,in fact we have aryanic speaking populations as much racially different as Sindhis and Danish(5)
-Carleton Coon says:
Linguistically, Indo-European is probably a relatively recent phenomenon, which arose after animals had been tamed and plants cultivated. The latest researches find it to be a derivative of an initially mixed language, whose principal elements were Uralic, called element A, and some undesignated element B which was probably one of the eastern Mediterranean or Caucasic languages.5 The plants and animals on which the economy of the early Indo-European speakers was based were referred to in words derived mainly from element B. Copper and gold were known, and the words for these commodities come from Mesopotamia.(6) 
The sources are below
(0)
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8432/europemaptreeta1.jpg
(1)
http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/n12/full/5201482a.html
 
(2)
Please note that these words are not borrowings but commun nostratic roots
 
Semitic/Indo-european
men/manne
hala/hola,hello
kassara/casser
ardh/earth
sahar/soir
ente/tu
me/mai
barr/bur
omm/madar
ab/badar
seb3a/septa
sitta/sesta
al/le
qata3/cut
batr/obturer
maridh/malade
haql/agro
thawr/taureau
qarn/corne
sarab/sarabas
keme/comme
silah/sird
yaafukh/fuukhir
wetr/water
lugha/lingua
qalb/lobos,cor
mawt/mort
rajol/ragazzo
lobb/lobos
bard/freddo
ward/rodos
wajh/visage
anf/nez
dawra/tour
dwaran/tourner
Greek/Arabic
Emena/Minni
Alla/Illa
Odhi/Hedhe
Arabic/English
Ma3na/Mean
Jorm/Crime
3eyn/Eye
Hu/His
Ha/Her
Dhak/That
Hedhi/This
Fatasha/Fetch
Qit/Cat
Arabic/French
Nahnu/Nous
Masha/Marche
Turab/Terre
Sama/Ciel
Jam3=>Gam
Somme=>Gam
Sound change o=>a et j=>g 
Eardh=>ardh
Eye=>3ayn
Taureau=>thawr
Corne=>qarn
Ble=>Burr
Agro=>Haql
g=>q et l=>r 
Agro=>Haql (g<=>q)(r<=<l)
Ble=>Burr (r<=>l)
(3)
http://free.of.pl/g/grzegorj/lingwen/afil.html
The scheme on The Tower of Babel shows yet another approach to both genetic relations and dating of particular language families and protolanguages. According to its author, Proto-Indo-European was in use ca. 5000 BC, Eurasiatic ca. 9000 BC, and Proto-Afro-Asiatic ca. 10000 BC. The Nostratic language, which existed ca. 13000 BC, is said to have given birth to Eurasiatic and Afro-Asiatic.
(4)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J_(Y-DNA)
(5)
http://www.algerie-dz.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101980&page=4
(6)
http://carnby.altervista.org/troe/06-01.htm (also please take a look at the great J haplogroup concentration in the caucasian Daghestan) 
Humanbyrace (talk) 11:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: R1a1a-M420 is Indo-European, R1b1a2-M269 is Basque. --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 21:27, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Proto indo-europeans are persons of J haplotype linked via the Nostratic languages family!??

message: What is the origin of the statement, "....Indian J2 is not accompanied by its "loyal fellow-traveller" E3b1 that penetrated to the Near East from North Africa after the end of the Ice Age and is tightly bound with the spread of both J-subbranches since the neolithic era."?
It's true E3b can sometimes be found in the same region as J2. But that hardly warrants calling them "fellow travelers". Furthermore, recent studies by Cruciani suggest the largest European concentration of E3b1 (v13) (the so called alpha cluster)- which incidentally is virtually absent from areas outside of southeastern Europe - may be much older than previously believed. It could have as easily been around the Balkans before the neolithic. Most certainly it got there before the end of the LGM when that part of Europe was a refuge. It got to the near east a lot earlier than that.
So please provide a source for the interesting and misleading statement quoted above.
75.54.183.225 22:59, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The presence of J2 in India (and mainly in Pakistan) can be explained as a result of the Neolithic expansion from the Near East to Baluchistan ca. 7000 BC. The same is valid for G. These Y-haplogroups may have spread agriculture to the Proto-Dravidians in Baluchistan and subsequently got with (Proto)Dravidians to India in the 4th millenium BC. The presence of G, J2 and E3b1a in the Balkans still wasn't fully explained; it is possible - as recently Dienekes Pontikos suggested - that J2, G and R1b1 (the Anatolian haplotype) were present both in the Asia Minor and in Greece before the Neolithic expansion. The distribution of E3b1a indicates that it got to the Balkans by sea rather than through the Asia Minor - or at least, it didn't leave any significant traces in the Asia Minor. And as Cruciani recently suggested, E3b1a may, in fact, be a result of a demographic expansion during the Bronze Age ca. 2000-2700 BC, together with J2b. However, its diversity indicates an origin in Western Asia ca. 9500 BC. This is in accordance with the presence of E3b1 in the Near East during the Neolithic, and thus the expansion of J2 and G to India very probably occured before E3b1 aarived from Africa to the Levant. Still, since the connection between E3b1a and the Neolithic expansion from the Asia Minor is now doubtful, I will change the sentence. 82.100.61.114 13:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  E3b1 a "loyal fellow traveller?" 

message: According to the current version of the article,
:"Although you can have the CMH in either J1 or J2, it is the genetic signature in J1 that is considered the Jewish priestly signature".
This phrasing seems dangerously close to inviting readers to fall into the Conditional probability fallacy (also called the Prosecutor's fallacy), namely the mistaken assumption that because the probability of a genetic marker given a particular state, P(marker|state), is very high, that this necessarily implies that the probability of the state given the marker, P(state|marker) is similarly high.
But this is not the case.  Across the whole population of Haplogroup J1, the total number of people who fall into the 1 to 4% that match the CMH purely by chance will actually be much larger than the comparatively small number with actual Cohen descent.
As for example genetic surname projects have found, only if much more specific genetic tests are used, testing a much larger number of marker locations, can high kinship probabilities be established with any certainty.  Jheald 10:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Article now deals with this more carefully, I think. Jheald 09:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  J1 + CMH "considered the Jewish Priestly Signature" 

message: This statment above is backwords. IJ is theoretical. It has never been found but it's existance in infered by the simlarities between I and J. The article essentially states the opposite. Claiming that I and J are closely related because they come from IJ. Actually they are said to come from IJ becuase they were aleady recognized as closely relatedHeathcliff (talk) 14:33, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Haplogroup IJ has a lot of defining SNPs. --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 21:33, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is most closely related to Haplogroup I, as both Haplogroup I and Haplogroup J are descendants of Haplogroup IJ (S2, S22). 

message: I have put up a suggestion at :Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals to create a new WikiProject, WikiProject: Genetic History.
To quote from what I've written there:
:; Description: A wikiproject for articles on DNA research into genetic genealogy and genealogical DNA tests; the history and spread of human populations as revealed by eg human Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA haplogroups; and similar.  Many such articles can be found in :Category:Genetic genealogy and its subcategories, notably the subcategories on human haplogroups.
:; Rationale
:* My direct motivation for seeking this Wikiproject was a recent run-in at Y-chromosomal Aaron, where I desperately missed the lack of a relevant WikiProject talk page to go to, to attract the input, advice and views of knowledgeable editors in this area.  
::There's a lot of general public interest in the proposed subject area -- eg the Y-chromosomal Aaron page is apparently getting well over 100 hits a day, and over the last 18 months or so there's been a lot of material added, by a fair number of different editors, mostly editing different pages which are particularly relevant to them.  IMO, a central wikiproject would be useful, and also a good place to be able to bring WP:OR, WP:V, and WP:general cluelessness issues for wider informed input. 
:::Wikipedia:WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology and :Wikipedia:WikiProject Evolutionary biology do already exist, but their focus is much much broader.  With regard to those project's charters, I believe the subject would be seen as a rather specialist niche topic area, rather out of the mainstream of those project's normal focus.  On the other hand, I believe that there are a number of wikipedia editors (and readers) who are specifically interested in the subject, who would find advantage if there were a specific wikiproject for it. Jheald (talk) 12:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What's Your source that it's southwestern Iran and not southeastern Turkey or northern Iraq? --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 21:35, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to create a new WikiProject: Genetic History 

message: ...how the author here knows for certain that J1 entered ethiopia only in neolithic times ? maybe it entered ethiopia much later ? it can be possible that J1 entered ethiopia also with ansient israelites or with sabean, south arabian tribes. it is even possible that J1 entered ethiopia with the arab expansion in 600 AD. since i am amhara ethiopian myself and was tested as J1 with adnanite arab or ancient israelite mutations i know for sure that not all J1 entered ethiopia in neolithic times.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.71.18.140 (talk) 00:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  J1 entered ethiopia in neolithic times ? 

message: The map is for J (J1 + J2) not J1 alone. The article is about J Cadenas2008 (talk) 04:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  J Distribution 

message: I wrote in the edit summary "it looks like nobody is watching this page." I mistakenly thought that the edits I reverted were old ones. HD86 (talk) 20:07, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nasty bit of vandalism.  Thanks for spotting it - it could very easily have got through.  Nobody can watch everything all the time, so it's good that you did happen to check it and you did see it.  Jheald (talk) 20:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sorry

message: Pure Arabs(in E1b1b1c...): They allegedly originated from the progeny of Ya‘rub bin Yashjub bin Qahtan so were also called Qahtanian Arabs.(Qahtanian Arabs should also include not Adnanian from Ishmael)
Arabized Arabs (in J1e): They allegedly originated from the progeny of Ishmael Son of the biblical patriarch Abraham and were also called ‘Adnani Arabs.--Dukkani (talk) 23:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  pure?! 

message: I removed Iranians from J1, since the link appears to be lead to a general discussion rather than specific percentage of J1 in Iran. However there are many studies that contradict Karger's ( which I believe it stated that Iranians have J1 on average 10%, where 9% is in 33 northern Iranians and 11% in  133 sourthern Iranians)(please let us know if it was any differnet). However based on studies such as (where sampling is much larger from Nothern Iranians, size of 80 and 50 people from Tehran and Isfahan), show significantly different proportions.Also J2 is found in shrinking numbers (10% of Tehran and 20% of Isfahan). I will however leave J2 as it seems to exists throughout the country regardless. I will try to find more studies with larger samples than those in Karger's, if anybody is aware of other studies let us know.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.106.140 (talk) 04:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: J1 formed in northern Iraq and in proximity. --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 21:42, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "Iranians from J1"? All is correct.Why to delete? Iranians even cleanly outwardly look like Saudi/Yemen Arabs and Sefardi Jews.These semitic lines are visible the unarmed look.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.172.58.15 (talk) 08:29, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Iranian

message: I'm looking at the distribution map, and though it's quite beautiful, its figures look a little off. Are those really the frequencies for North Africa? What exact study were these based on? And why wasn't Ethiopia included when over 30% of its Semitic-speaking groups belong to J? Causteau (talk) 09:10, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On second observation, the map's haplogroup J frequencies for North Africa don't just look a little off; they appear to be completely wrong. The sourced portions of the article, for instance, indicate that haplogroup J enjoys a frequency of ~30% throughout much of North Africa, yet this map makes it seem as though the frequency is only 10% throughout most of the region. 20% of a region as populated as North Africa is no small matter. Again, where are the sources for all this? What map from which study was it based on? Causteau (talk) 02:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Map

message: Everything tends to suggest that the origin of this haplogroup was Southern Arabia.  This isn't the case, although J (mostly in a J1 form), tends to be the predominant haplogroup in Southern Arabia.  In fact, it has long been suggested, and supported via (Semino, 2004) that the Turkey and the Iranian plateau was the source of this haplogroup.  Quintana-Muci showed the highest group diversity near the Caspian regions and the Zagros regions of Iran.  Additionally, J2 and I appear to have been founded through the same region, and spread with the Neolithic (Not to mention R1 derivatives (based off data up to 2009), which generally spread a bit later through Europe). 
J1, on the other hand, originated in Arabia, and is confined largely to Semetic speaking populations.
Additionally, examination of ancient Basque skeletons, supports the hypothesis that J was, at one point in time, significantly more frequent in Europe.  And more recent studies have linked J to Optic diseases, in a European sample, providing a reason as to how it's frequency has diminished through Europe.  Nonetheless, the autosomal evidence has made it clear, that the predominant (at least 85%) ancestral component of modern Europeans is Neolithic, and should be attributed to the influx of Near Eastern populations and their spread of agriculture. 
    
http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/Quintana-Murci-Iran.pdf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zadeh79 (talk • contribs) 17:24, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article needs major restructuring 

message: The box says,"Possible time of origin:50,000-30,000 BP.
The content of the article states," Haplogroup J is believed to have arisen roughly 30,000 years ago in Southwest Asia (Arabia Felix) (31,700±12,800 years ago according to Semino et al.. 2004)
31,700±12,800 years ago is  18,900-44,500 BP. 
The article contradicts itself. 
JohnLloydScharf (talk) 00:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  50,000-30,000 BP vs. Haplogroup J is believed to have arisen roughly 30,000 years ago in Southwest Asia (Arabia Felix) (31,700±12,800 years ago according to Semino et al.. 2004). 

message: The percentage is so low, it is not relevant. imho.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.121.1.113 (talk) 20:49, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  czech republic 

message: FOUND IT... but maybe you can do the other part that needs to be done: SOLVE it. ;-) haplogroup J-M172 article has the same problem: each spot where there's normally a ^ref^ tag now has a deadlink: you can click on the ref...but it DOESN'T lead you to the full citation near the bottom of the article, when ya click it! The new formatting was added 3 January 2013: up till then, we had 15-16 items in the "main" References (footnotes) section:  Rebekah's the culprit. :-)  She was adding the "phylogenetic footnotes" in a separate "reflist" and just as I suspected, that's when she broke it: as she was trying to get 2 separate reflist's (she was adding a 2nd reflist for the "phylogenetic footnotes").
The original complaint about this invalid & non-standard ^ref^ formatting was made by Lothar von Richthofen.  The same deadlink ref-tag-substitutes are plaguing a related article:  
A few potential ways to solve it...I've no idea which is best or easiest, but please do it in both articles (maintain consistency & save someone else who might read the J-M172 article the headache of "figgering it out"): 
*go back to normal ref tags:
**will a simple "revert" work since so much info (and thus more tags) was added since she did that last January?? (NOTE that there are still 8 sources using ^ref^ tags but, the "main" reflist had 16 items in it when Rebekah began her "improvements" so now an extra 8 ref's in this article are 'broken' e.g. will not help the user by scrolling-down automatically to the Full Citation when ya click on the ref... and a whopping 35 more have this problem in that M172 article.
** or MANUALLY copy-paste thru the whole article (about 35 MORE ref's would need this in the M192 article...just in the M-172 article, which has the SAME problem.
*Fix her method which doesn't use ^ref^ tags (I've never seen that type of ref on Wikipedia, so I've no clue how to fix that TYPE of citation/ref... except MAYBE that we need a "reflist|group=harv" -- or something like that -- instead of just a plain "reflist" for those sources listed in the "Works Cited" section? 72.183.52.92 (talk) 13:49, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  All ref links having been broken: Possible solutions 

message: Hello all, it is wrong to attribute J-P209 to only Semitic people in the intro of the paragraph because it is apparent that this paragroup seems among not only Semitic people, but also Indo-Europeans such as Greeks, Persians, Italians and also among Nakh people, Turks and Caucasians. Therefore, it is better to use a reasonable sentence which emphasizes the geographical locations instead of races. In this sense, I make a change in the intro sentence. Surely, you can contribute to it. Best wishes, 141.196.195.119 (talk) 12:17, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.Here all is added to the Arabs and Semites.--109.172.58.15 (talk) 08:38, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attributing J-P209 to Semitic 

message: Sorry, but this article is exposed to the permanent attacks from the side of nationalist engaged users from Russia and Turkic-speaking republics of Russia.Numerous inaccuracies, errors, every nonsense, are inserted with an only aim to humiliate, distort to make mischief.Here it is written that "Yunusbaev 2006:Stats are for combined Dagestan ethnic groups see the Dagestan article for details. Dargins (91%), Avars (67%), Chamalins (67%), Lezgins (58%), Tabassarans (49%), Andis (37%), Assyrians (29%), Bagvalins (21.4%))".Who and why it did insert this fiction in text in the division of references? What it the yet lost tribe of Babylon? The so called "Assyrians" (modern Assyrians are really Arameans with Aramaic language) in Daghestan? "Most of the J1 in the Caucasus, Anatolia and Europe is of the non-J1-P58 variety. These branches diverged from one another during the Ice Age and have nothing to do with Semitic people". Modern Assyrians(of Iraq/Iran etc.) really have a high percent of haplogroup J1 because they are people of Abraham.The biblical Abraham (aram. Ebrahim) belonged to Hurrians of Mitanni (ancient Ebartu/Naharayna etc. "across the river").His Hebrew nickname was "vagrant Aramean"(The biblical "Abraham's city of Ur" is a rethinking of the Akkadian word urru "early morning" (probably identical also with Gothic urruns "sunrise,the east,exodus"), which is a symbol of the Hurrians).The Eastern Hurrians of Upper Messopotamia mentioned in sources as Subareans,and most supreme rulers of Assyrian Empire belonged to the Subarean clans: "The most ancient Assyrian tsars were closely associated with the native subarean population of country...In an equal measure some Mitannian influence is felt in most ancient Assyria" (See Avdiev V.I. Istoria drevnego Vostoka.Leningrad.1953.P.416).In the Assyrian sources, according to an academic Avdiev V.I., "these north mountain tribes of Subari" are mentioned also "habitants of the Upper country"(P. 215).
Certainly, it is a fact that J1 is Hurrian/Subarean haplogroup initially.No the bedouins from Negev or Saudi Arabia! J1(J<IJ) is marker of Hurrian/Subarean nation of Abraham,marker of Clan of God etc.,haplogroup of the Abrahamity.Sorry,with all of it I agree but that the Assyrians live in mountains of southern Russian so called "Republic of Daghestan" (in historical reality Särir: Taχistan & Caspian Hunnia) is nonsense .What aim is pursued by similar humiliating references? Yunusbayev has no relation neither to the Caucasus nor to Assyria. Yunusbayev Bayazit is the Pan-Turkist engaged subject from the Turkic Republic of Bashkortostan (RU).In addition, all data about Avarian genetic are taken from only one source.This is work of Kazima Bulayeva.She worked in a village Novomekhelta, majority this population is migrants from Akhwakh territory (Mountain Mekhelta village).It is population with the separate and absolutely unclear language  for Avars.Another data (of really Avar people) are not present in Russia.I repeat all present data draw from Bulayeva Kazima's work (village of Akhvakhian migrants of Novomekhelta).
Here on a site like Eupedia write about everything that you want, what percentage of something at the "Cohen clan", "the Levites" , or about the "importance of Kurdistan haplogens"(!?),"genetic links of european genes to Armenians /Georgians" etc. However, all this is of secondary importance. Enough to distort and misinterpret! It is a fact that it is in the North Caucasus live the direct and the most ethnically pure descendants of the ancient haplogroup J (with very ancient native caucasian languages like Basque, Yenisseian Ket, Himalayan Hunza,Tibetans etc. and with so called "caucasiony anthropological type" like Dinarid among Balkanians), people-icon,the racial and mental STANDART for all other modern peoples of J1/J2! Not the Jews and the Phoenicians, but the native Northern Caucasus with mountain "caucasiony" - Balkanian Dinarids - Proto-Teutons it is really genetical-racial basis,core of IJ. Also the modern Italians with haplogroup J are no descendants of the Phoenicians, Jews and Syrian Slaves as writes Christian- Judeo - centrist Eupedia. This was Caucasian march through Anatolia to West. The ancient Etruskans also had a language that is hypotetical similar to the native Caucasians.
All Caucasians from Caspian (Wrkan/Gorgan) sea to historical Carpathian-Transylvanian Caucaland with haplogroups J1,J2 are foremost Ḫůrro-Caucasians and Ḫůrro-Caucasian World,according to bibl./akkad./aram. sources "Sons of Beyt Ebartu/Naharayna", "Khorrəim/Subari". The own name of so called Mitannian (also Hurrian) hurritized Aryans was also in cuneiform ḪRY (ḪRJ in works of German authors;See Schmökel H. Die ersten Arier im Alten Orient.Leipzig,1938.S.16), in the Egyptian sources Syria and Palestine are named as "earth of people of Ḫari". The Jews with J1/J2 are in reality semitized Hurro-Mediterraneans (or Hurro-Israelites), J1/J2 among Horasani Persians, Afghans (J2) & Uyghurs(J2) are Hurro-Parthians and J2 among Greeks are Hurro-Mediterraneans etc. It is necessary resolutely to dissociate oneself from more than doubtful Sudaneses, Yemenites, Ethiopians and them similar to.Any normal man sees and understands this difference. Northern Caucasian Nakh-Daghestanian peoples and their neighbours do not speaking Semitic languages and cleanly anthropologically (Balkano-Caucasian race,-according to the terminology of Soviet anthropologists) also very distant from south Arabs and Ethiopians with Somalians.It is real so.If there are some reasons, is needed to explain, why all these people of Balkano-Caucasian race do not Semitic-speaking. And also why they and does not have such Negroid facial features and dark skin as South Arabs,Sudaneses,Ethiopians etc. Sorry,haplogroup J (<IJ) it is not camels,date-palms and Arabs (pure Arabs)! This haplogroup is haplogroup of freedom-loving armed militant Highlanders,snow-capped rough mountains,rapid rivers and a rising sun as a sacred sign of good (hur. hwyrrə/hurri "Morning,Orient,Land of Hurrites"). According to academic Avdiev V.I. "winged sun is typical Hurrian motiv".It is necessary clearly and clear to differentiate Hurro-Caucasians (also Hurro-Europeans,Hurro-Parthians )from all this Pan-Babylonian fantastic nightmare, delirium. As a last resort it is necessary for these not-Semitic,not-Arabic originally people will create a separate article on Wikipedia, without Somalis, Ethiopians and south Arab headscarves.
What education and mentally limit people is this article counted on? Who is it wanted to deceive? The Hurrians/Subareans originally a nation number 1 in the Levant, Eastern Anatolia and northern Iraq. Great Armenia (or Eastern Anatolia), Upper Mesopotamia, Syria and partly Palestine all of it initially belonged to the Hurrians and ethnic groups with a noticeable Hurrian presence.The modern Armenians are armenized Hurro-Urarteans and Byblical Ararat mountain is distorted Hurrian word of "Uruatri" that means "Urartu"(See Avdiev V.I. Istoria drevnego Vostoka.Leningrad.1953.P.458 ).
And in the end I want to express most important - all your speculations about "Arabic expansion",a "semitic roots" etc. is no more as fantasy of the Arabic nationalists. "In fact the origins of J1 lie around the Caucasus, which explains that all branches other than P58 are most common in that region, as well as in Anatolia and Europe".The most ancient tracks of J1 Haplogroup found in one ancient man of caves of Caucasian Republic of Georgia."The first J1 men lived in the Late Upper Paleolithic, shortly before the end of the last Ice Age. The oldest identified J1 sample to date comes from Satsurblia cave (c. 13200 BCE) in Georgia (Jones et al. (2015)), placing the origins of haplogroup J1 in all likelihood in the region around the Caucasus, Zagros, Taurus and eastern Anatolia during the Upper Paleolithic".http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J1_Y-DNA.shtml--109.172.58.15 (talk) 18:57, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assyrians in Daghestan according to Yunusbayev? 

message: Why article about a Middle Eastern haplogroup J has to begin with unclear digression to China, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan?Completely became impudent.Article for example about Sumer, the Hittit kingdom or Assyria for some reason can't to begin with the Kazakh mutton or the Uzbek pilaf. On what basis these Mongoloid populations have to take the FIRST place in article about Haplogroup J? They have far (and even very far!) relation to J halkogroup. If to  Chinese, Kazakhs, the Uzbeks has somehow the luck to appear among owners of the West Asian, Middle Eastern haplogroup J too that should be written about it at the very end of article, but not right at the beginning. Therefore I suggest to change the beginning of article and to move Mongoloid Chinese, Kazakhs, etc. to the end of article --Wrkan (talk) 11:54, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Article shouldn't begin with Chinese, Kazakhs and Uzbeks

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message: The frequency map in this article is of extremely poor quality and much of the frequencies are contradicted by large studies. This image wasn't on this article until late 2019 and I believe it should be removed entirely from the article or completely overhauled. There are well sourced tables on the English Wikipedia which contradict nearly every frequency on this image. For example: Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_North_Africa, Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_the_Near_East, Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_populations_of_Europe, Haplogroup_J_(Y-DNA)#Subclade_distribution. Dumuh (talk) 11:21, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The frequency map 

message: Regrettably, editing here stopped with ISOGG 2012, un fact at least updated at 2019/2020!!! In addition, Maciamo is not really a peer-reviewed study and also meanwhile slowing down editin his talks.2A02:8108:9640:1A68:7082:4FF1:3515:F6D2 (talk) 06:57, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cruelly outdated