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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Re: the template you removed, , this goes far beyond two or three specifics. Much of the article is both unsourced and promotional in tone. I'm going to take the first section I came across at random:
===Shows===
*Orca Encounter (Orca Encounter): A live documentary about killer whales, educating guests about various aspects of their lives.
*Dolphin Days (Dolphin Amphitheater): A show where guests can be amazed by the athleticism of the Whale and Dolphin family and find out what inspires their trainers. 
*Sea Lions Live (Sea Lion & Otter Amphitheater): Clyde, Seamore, and OP Otter spoof their favorite TV shows and music. 
*Pets Rule (Nautilus Amphitheater): A show that features a variety of animals, including dogs, cats, birds, kangaroos, emus, and a porcupine (Currently not in production; Returning January 20, 2018).
===SeaWorld's Christmas Celebration===
SeaWorld's Christmas Celebration features seasonal shopping, festive food and drinks, and stunning live shows. Guests can see Christmas themed shows, including O Wondrous Night, Dolphin Island Christmas, and Clyde and Seamore's Christmas Special. Guests can walk around Santa's Christmas Village and take pictures with Santa at Santa's Cottage. Guests can also meet Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer and friends in Rudolph's Christmastown. Rudolph's Christmastown also features The Happiest Christmas Tree, which dances along with Christmas music. Guests also have the opportunity to have breakfast with Orcas and Santa for an additional cost. SeaWorld's Christmas Celebration runs November 18-January 6.
===Seasonal Shows===
*Cirque Electrique (Bayside Amphitheater): This summer nighttime takes guests on a journey to the island of Amphibia, where brightly colored amphibians combine characteristics of humans and sea creatures. These whimsical creatures captivate the audience as they demonstrate their super-human abilities through exhilarating acrobatic feats of strength and discipline. This show features sea sprites (physical comedians), acrobats on Chinese poles and a tramp barge, duo trapeze, silk aerialists, and a jet blade performer.
*IllumiNight  (Nautilus Amphitheater) : This summer nighttime experience will submerge guests below the waves and electrify the ocean floor with a radiant exhibition of sight and sound, featuring overhead laser lights and an interactive RFID experience, dancers, high-flying acrobats, a live singer, an electric violinist and guitarist, and larger-than-life animals that soar over guests.
*Sea Lions TONITE (Sea Lion & Otter Amphitheater): A summer night comedy show that spoofs SeaWorld's day shows featuring California sea lions and Asian small-clawed otters.
*Clyde & Seamore's Big Halloween Bash (Sea Lion & Otter Amphitheater): Clyde and Seamore spoof their favorite Halloween classics, with a little help from OP otter of course!
* Who Said Boo?! (Mission Bay Theater): See The Count, Elmo, Abby, and more of your favorite Sesame Street characters as they work together through fun games, music, and dance to figure out "Who Said Boo?!"
* Clyde & Seamore's Christmas Special (Sea Lion & Otter Amphitheater): Join Clyde, Seamore, and OP otter as they host their own nighttime Christmas special, which is sure to create an unforgettable show full of holiday cheer.
*Dolphin Island Christmas (Dolphin Amphitheater): A Polynesian themed show where guests can meet the residents of Dolphin Island.
*O Wondrous Night (Nautilus Amphitheater): The greatest story never told, O Wondrous Night is a live nativity, featuring carolers, live animals, and story-telling puppets.''
There's virtually nothing here that comes within driving distance of 'enecyclopedic.' It's an advertisement, and it's probably indicative of the entire article. Since the spring several accounts have dumped a lot more of this sort of dreck, without sources, I'm guessing. Among other things, it's not Wikipedia's function to publish directories of events or promotional calendars. This article is a brochure--are other SeaWorld articles this problematic? 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:49, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it is poorly sourced and promotional. I do believe that the regular shows do warrant inclusion especially the Orca Encounters as that was a big change from the Believe show and is a result of fairly recent events and possible legislation. My one concern is there are so many people that are currently against Seaworld that I don't want to see this go from a promotional article to an POV article the other way. After viewing your talk page and your edits I trust you understand Wikipedia. When I asked you to come to the talk page. It is always a good idea, but I also thought it was a drive by tag from an IP that is trying to hide their identity. VVikingTalkEdits 14:32, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, —this is 2601, editing from a hotel room in NYC tonight. I understand your misgivings, and welcome a discussion before eviscerating the article. The template wasn’t meant to be a drive-by, but was conceived as a warning shot. I came upon the article by following the breadcrumbs left by an unreliable account. No ulterior motive regarding this subject. Yeah, the blatantly promotional content can go first. After that, I’m dubious about inclusion of exhibitions and performances unless they’re well-sourced, apart from Sea World’s publications. Otherwise it’s so easy for the whole thing to tilt toward promotional bias, like listing exhibitions in a museum article. That may require a more nuanced discussion, but for the moment we can start paring prose like the examples I’ve noted above. There’s no hurry from here—I’m away from home another day or two, then we’re having a winter storm, which means we’ll likely lose power. Just getting the ball rolling. Thanks, 206.252.208.214 (talk) 01:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: (I wanted to respond, even if it meant doing so from a new and temporary IP, rather than letting the talk go quiet. If I'm right about losing power tomorrow, I'll return as a different 2601 once the juice is restored.) 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 05:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No problems, Because of my schedule I really only have a few minutes a day to edit. I will see if I can find some good sources to add to the article though. --VVikingTalkEdits 14:11, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promotional and poorly sourced from top to bottom 

message: *Cirque Electrique (Bayside Amphitheater): This summer nighttime takes guests on a journey to the island of Amphibia, where brightly colored amphibians combine characteristics of humans and sea creatures. These whimsical creatures captivate the audience as they demonstrate their super-human abilities through exhilarating acrobatic feats of strength and discipline. This show features sea sprites (physical comedians), acrobats on Chinese poles and a tramp barge, duo trapeze, silk aerialists, and a jet blade performer.
*IllumiNight  (Nautilus Amphitheater) : This summer nighttime experience will submerge guests below the waves and electrify the ocean floor with a radiant exhibition of sight and sound, featuring overhead laser lights and an interactive RFID experience, dancers, high-flying acrobats, a live singer, an electric violinist and guitarist, and larger-than-life animals that soar over guests.
*Sea Lions TONITE (Sea Lion & Otter Amphitheater): A summer night comedy show that spoofs SeaWorld's day shows featuring California sea lions and Asian small-clawed otters.
*Clyde & Seamore's Big Halloween Bash (Sea Lion & Otter Amphitheater): Clyde and Seamore spoof their favorite Halloween classics, with a little help from OP otter of course!
* Who Said Boo?! (Mission Bay Theater): See The Count, Elmo, Abby, and more of your favorite Sesame Street characters as they work together through fun games, music, and dance to figure out "Who Said Boo?!"
* Clyde & Seamore's Christmas Special (Sea Lion & Otter Amphitheater): Join Clyde, Seamore, and OP otter as they host their own nighttime Christmas special, which is sure to create an unforgettable show full of holiday cheer.
*Dolphin Island Christmas (Dolphin Amphitheater): A Polynesian themed show where guests can meet the residents of Dolphin Island.
*O Wondrous Night (Nautilus Amphitheater): The greatest story never told, O Wondrous Night is a live nativity, featuring carolers, live animals, and story-telling puppets.''
There's virtually nothing here that comes within driving distance of 'enecyclopedic.' It's an advertisement, and it's probably indicative of the entire article. Since the spring several accounts have dumped a lot more of this sort of dreck, without sources, I'm guessing. Among other things, it's not Wikipedia's function to publish directories of events or promotional calendars. This article is a brochure--are other SeaWorld articles this problematic? 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:49, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it is poorly sourced and promotional. I do believe that the regular shows do warrant inclusion especially the Orca Encounters as that was a big change from the Believe show and is a result of fairly recent events and possible legislation. My one concern is there are so many people that are currently against Seaworld that I don't want to see this go from a promotional article to an POV article the other way. After viewing your talk page and your edits I trust you understand Wikipedia. When I asked you to come to the talk page. It is always a good idea, but I also thought it was a drive by tag from an IP that is trying to hide their identity. VVikingTalkEdits 14:32, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, —this is 2601, editing from a hotel room in NYC tonight. I understand your misgivings, and welcome a discussion before eviscerating the article. The template wasn’t meant to be a drive-by, but was conceived as a warning shot. I came upon the article by following the breadcrumbs left by an unreliable account. No ulterior motive regarding this subject. Yeah, the blatantly promotional content can go first. After that, I’m dubious about inclusion of exhibitions and performances unless they’re well-sourced, apart from Sea World’s publications. Otherwise it’s so easy for the whole thing to tilt toward promotional bias, like listing exhibitions in a museum article. That may require a more nuanced discussion, but for the moment we can start paring prose like the examples I’ve noted above. There’s no hurry from here—I’m away from home another day or two, then we’re having a winter storm, which means we’ll likely lose power. Just getting the ball rolling. Thanks, 206.252.208.214 (talk) 01:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: (I wanted to respond, even if it meant doing so from a new and temporary IP, rather than letting the talk go quiet. If I'm right about losing power tomorrow, I'll return as a different 2601 once the juice is restored.) 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 05:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No problems, Because of my schedule I really only have a few minutes a day to edit. I will see if I can find some good sources to add to the article though. --VVikingTalkEdits 14:11, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Seasonal Shows

message: I have just added one citation to the Killer Whale section and added a bit about the Orca Encounters show. 
: Additional Items that should be added to the article include Kandu incident, J.J. The Grey Whale, major expansions i.e 1995 Orca habitat expansion, Hubbs-SeaWorld Research Institute, the Kasatka incident got a lot of press coverage in 2006, and I also remember something about one Killer Whale leaping and landing on a trainer. That may be included too if we have sources. Number of shows performed may also be a nice contrast and help with the POV issues since incidences gain more publicity than thousands of shows going on without any issues. --VVikingTalkEdits 18:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, of course incidents and accidents receive coverage--we have stand-alone articles about airplane disasters, but not about the multitude of uneventful flights. That said, I'm not keen on including incidents that don't have lasting import, per WP:NOTNEWS. The real problem here is the abundance of hitherto unchallenged, unsourced cruft about attractions and numbers and names of fish and mammals. This needs to be sourced and pared. 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 04:15, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating and adding citations etc. per above section 

message: SeaWorld recently announced their new "Rescue Jr." re-theme of the original Sesame Street's Bay of Play area, so I decided to update the information about the area, but somebody reverted it. Why? Leocoastrrz (talk) 23:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  It looks like they were initially reverted, but then that was undone, putting your changes back. Having reviewed your changes, I noticed a couple issues, however. In your Rescue Jr. change, you removed the existing sources covering the Sesame Street play area and replaced them with this source, but that source doesn't even mention Sesame Street. So that caused previously-sourced information to become unsourced. I went ahead and corrected that. Eventually, retired rides and attractions should be tracked in their own section, and once that gets long in the tooth, be moved to their own article.The other issue was italics and quotes. Ride and attraction names shouldn't be formatted with either. Hope that helps. --GoneIn60 (talk) 07:33, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Rescue Jr. addition