Talk:Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples

message: As far as I can, there was no real consensus to remove the title. At any rate, I wholly disagree. The treatment that SandyDancer is trying to apply to VE is not symmetrical with all other pretenders. I am going to revert it. Charles 18:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: VE is in the same situation as Crown Prince Paul of Greece and Crown Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia. They gained those titles while the monarchy still existed and they continue to bear them. It is almost international as a practice to freeze the titles as they are at the end of a monarchy and to let non-sovereign titles pass as they normally do. Charles 01:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't agree. Just because the families and themselves try and perpetuate abolished titles, that doesn't mean Wikipedia should join them. Wikipedia is supposed to represent a neutral point of view - pretending that legally abolished titles are still valid is adopting a monarchist viewpoint. You revealed your personal view with your statement "They gained those titles while the monarchy still existed and they continue to bear them" - can't you just accept that's your view but isn't neutral? If VE himself can accept titles have been legally abolished in Italy, can't you? --SandyDancer 08:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not just the Savoys and monarchists who call VE "Prince of Naples".  ANSA, the largest of the Italian news agencies (comparable to Reuters or Associated Press) often (but not always) gives him this designation; check Factiva.  The Italian constitution says nothing about titles being abolished, merely not recognised. While the Italian government doesn't recognise VE officially as "Prince of Naples", it does recognise him as having the name "Principe di Savoia" since this predicate existed before 1922 and is therefore recognised as part of his name. Noel S McFerran 11:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that he has been referred to by his princely title by the Italilan government. But I understood that this was defended based upon a similar reference in a post-monarchical law. I don't think that Italy's recognition of pre-1922 predicates in the surname includes legal recognition of the noble title to which it was attached, e.g. "Luigi di Roma" not "Luigi, principe di Roma". OTOH, surely Vatican titles may be legally borne in Italy today? Lethiere 18:55, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: If what you say is true (and I have no reason to doubt it is), I would concede the point that he should be described as "Prince of Naples". Maybe also on that basis we need to revise the article to make it clear the consitution states titles aren't recognised in Italy due to the constitution, but that the constitution doesn't purport to abolish the titles. However I am not comfortable doing so unless we can get a source for this. Thanks. --SandyDancer 12:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverted per what discussion?

message: The man in the picture doesn't look like Vittorio Emanuele. Compare  --87.1.70.118 (talk) 20:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, it really doesn't look much like him, although they do look similar. The Prince has a cleft in his nose and much lighter eyes in the picture you linked to, as well as a narrower appearing face. Charles 20:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Charles, I don't think that's VE. The man in the photograph has a much fuller face. Here's a picture of VE smiling (no teeth, though)  Definitely not the same man, I think. Morhange (talk) 23:39, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: Should we have Vittorio Emanuele presented still as a claimant to the defunct throne of Italy? Are his official declarations not considered a relinquishing of these claims? And, if this is the case, it would be strange to consider the Belgian acknowledgment of his past pretension to be presently valid. __meco (talk) 09:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No longer a pretender? 

message: Vittorio Emanuele di Savoia è conosciuto all'interno di ambienti monarchici come principe di Napoli. La Repubblica Italiana non riconosce i titoli nobiliari italiani. Naples is not a principality, of course is impossible to be prince of Naples. Is like to be Prince of New York, Duchess of Buenos Aires or Queen of California. --84.120.9.13 (talk) 04:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: He is not a prince

message: He is not a pretender he rights were remove from the his majesty the king (KingOscarXIX (talk) 00:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove pretender boxs thiing

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message: It should be Victor Emmanuel, Prince of Piedmont, as that was the highest position he held, even if only for about a month. See Alexander, Crown Prince of Yugoslavia for example. GoodDay (talk) 20:46, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Looking at similar articles, this is consistent with those.  estar8806 (talk) ★ 00:25, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples → ? – Almost none of the cited sources refer to him this way. A quick look through this article's references shows us he is called simply "Vittorio Emmanuele", "Vittorio Emmanuele di Savoia", and "Prince Victor Emmanuel". However, I'm unsure of which of these this should be moved to (if any). estar8806 (talk) ★ 11:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 7 September 2023