Talk:Tom Otterness

message: Consider one of the roles of the artist as making clear what our culture prefers to ignore. I was a fellow artist in the collaborative group and recall his intention to display graphically the effect of too many cats and dogs- euthanasia, a word we hide death within. Untold thousands of cats and dogs are quietly 'put to sleep' killed by lethal injection every year by the shelters that care for them when space is short. Is this also, then, a place to talk about the short sighted view of those offended by the inconvenient truth of euthanizing excess pets? Perhaps the larger issue is self responsibility. Tom could have spoken up much earlier in explanation and those offended by pet euthanasia could promote responsible stewardship of our domesticated animals, neuter and spay and place pets in therapeutic settings, etc...  71.196.35.174 (talk) 17:04, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

message: The Dates on the "Life Underground" in this article directly contradict the dates in the article dedicated to the "Life Underground".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.227.56 (talk) 21:20, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: There has been a lot of recent coverage in connection with his latest show. For example see the refs cited at Life Underground for sources of additional material for expansion of this article. Dhaluza 01:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent coverage 

message: The current facts of this artist's life are that recently blogs have been posting widespread criticism of the dog film because many are just discovering this via the internet.  The film was shot in the 70's then shown a decade later in the Reagan era, the 80's.  There is a point to consider here how sorry a person is, to loop this film and show it a decade later, in his 30's.  There are unsubstantiated mentions of it being shown in another show.  Currently there is no proof of Otterness implied as the reason the student at WSU lost.  The piece is not installed yet at WSU.  There is a large commission in PA under scrutiny now valued at 5 million that may be lost due to the outrage of bloggers, animal rights organizations and private citizens over the dog shot piece.  You can post the text of his apology but you cannot post now about this artist and try to skew the information to imply his apology is accepted or widely believed.  It is not opinion this is fact and is a part of his biography that can't be ignored if you want to stay factual to the reality of his life story.  From my personal observations the majority of the public seem to not accept the apology as real.  This can't be ignored to try to create a realistic view of the artist here on Wiki.  His website is the place for personal support for him.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.4.108 (talk) 18:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, people, I'm not part of the majority of the public, as I take no position on the sincerity of the apology of a person I have barely heard of, but please, continue to discuss the questions here, remembering to sign with your account name with four tildes, instead of just carrying on a silly WP:EDIT WAR.  Jim.henderson (talk) 20:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, biography can be difficult when people find a reason to be for or against someone and let their feelings harden into fact.  Me, what I know is what's in the article plus:  The old sewer alligators and the new covered wagon set up between Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges are cute and he's the only living sculptor whose name I know and probably Brooklyn's most famous one.  Whether he is a good and sincere person or a cruel and sneaky one, I don't know, and also don't exactly know how a "video loop" differs from similar things or or why it matters, but it's nice to see that the storm has subsided in a compromize.  Jim.henderson (talk) 20:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Dog Shot" criticism and its effect on the artist's life

message: I am not just some casual acquaintance of Tom Otterness.  Not only have I known him since Kindergarten, but I grew up with Tom and we were best of friends and remain so to this day. I have no intention of entering into the debate about Tom and his film "Shot Dog".  All I can tell any of you, is that when I read comments that "some do not believe the sincerity of Tom's apology", that your are completely in error.  I can tell you that Tom has regretted this incident long before he ever made any real money in the art world.  I just saw Tom today, and he still regrets it. There isn't a day that goes by in his life that he has not sincerely regretted this act.  Have none of you never made a regrettable mistake in your own life? Tom has sincerely apologized from the bottom of his heart.  It is very dissapointing that some cannot find it in their heart to; accept his apology and forgive him.   In the end, the continued outrage from some, lack of forgiveness from some (in light of his sincere apology), says much more about some people's inability to forgive, than it will ever say about Tom.  Tom made a mistake and he apologized for it.  What more can one human do?
Beaconboy (talk) 21:47, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: I've known Tom since kindergarten

message: This diff shows an anonymous editor consistently removing text they dont like and claiming its no longer valid.  They do not have a reference to point to, while the text that is there does have a reference from April 2008.  I guess we have to go down the WP:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR path. dm (talk) 04:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
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