Talk:Hajime Sorayama

message: There's a number of neutrality issues in this article, such as:
"He does ASFR drawings of female pin ups and erotic art that are super realistic and also draws robot women, cyborgs and other illustrations of humans and animals."
:Unless "super realism" is an art form, this should be reworded to be more neutral, as the realism can be debated and is not a judgement for Wikipedia to make.
::...well, I'd like to reply by pointing out that the phrase 'super realism' has, in fact been coined to refer to this form of art...the subject matter, although of course subject to artistic vision, is presented in a form so detailed and authentic as to defy one's eyes to recognize it as a work of art, rather than a representation of that which exists...some would consider it 'photorealistic' and that isn't a stretch, when the subject could have been posed so...but when the subject doesn't exist, and is created of imagination, to create a representation on paper of such accuracy and realism goes beyond what can be real to 'super real'.
"... while simultaneously raising the level of skill and craftsmanship in the field to new heights."
:So he has affected the craftmanship in this field in general? Then this claim would definitely need a source.
::...you simultaneously exaggerate and minimize, sir...of course no one man can simultaneously increase the talents of those around him in any field...but he can raise the bar, and show them a higher level to which to aspire...and by so doing, they may very well improve.
"He is also described as one of the most significant erotic artists of the 20th century."
:This bold statement is unfortunately currently unsourced.
"The pinup art of Sorayama is delicious and erotic, blending the soft contours of the female form with the industrialized shiny metal "skin" of the humanoid "android" that is bound to both arouse and shock the viewer. Sorayama's "real women" pinups are sexy, intriguing, and seem "real to the touch". The robots, and combinations of the two, are shiny, glistening, and sleekly attractive."
:According to whom, exactly? The article should not make judgements about deliciousness, sexiness, reality and attractiveness at least. Although I can personally see the artistic skill in these pictures, people do have different views on attraction in art.
::...regardless of your personal viewpoint on Sorayama's work, the skill with which it is produced is beyond reproach...this man has a remarkable talent for illustration, and he chooses to ilustrate that which fascinates him...if you find depictions of nudes to be unattractive, or the idea of cybernetics disturbing, or fetish/bondage repulsive, I would suggest that you're viewing the wrong artist to suit your tastes...this is not meant in any pejorative sense, it's merely an observation that you seem to attack the simple praise that is given to the artist, for no other reason than that You personally find his work unattractive...in this respect, you are offering your opinion to a forum that is primarily comprised of fans of the artist...rather similar to rolling a stone up a hill, you will achieve very little in the attempt...we know what we like, and whether or not you agree is of no concern whatsoever.
::Spyder — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.142.8  (talk) 12:01, November 18, 2006
-- Northgrove 08:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ....To reply to certain concerns above.  I do not know how the term "super realism" got in here;  it may be better termed "hyper illustration" as is often used by collectors and critics.  There are numerous reference and a google search of "Hajime Sorayama" will show how highly regarded his talents are.  Beyond that Sorayama has many peer artists, museuems, fashion designers and media people who vaunt his skill and art.  For example,  artist Ron English is quoted as describing Sorayama as a combination of Dali and Norman Rockwell.  Bob Guccione of Penthouse fame, and himself a talented artist, included Sorayama works for over 9 years in monthly editions of Penthouse from about 1995 to 2004.  Mr. Guccione states that Sorayama's art form redoubles his belief that sexuality can be depicted as a high art form. Mr. Hefner's Playboy TV did a Sorayama special on their series Sexcetera in 2005 that included an interview with his longtime representative Ms. Yamamoto.  Many peer pin up artists have gone to the trouble to discuss Sorayama on their websites so those descriptions are out there to help in this regard. Sorayama received the highest design award that may be conferred by Japan on a project involving technology and his art.  Nike awarded Sorayama top honors in a recent design competition. Disney used Sorayama to design "Future Mickey" and there are many others who seek out his art or collaboration. MOMA and the Smithsonian Institute Museum both have Sorayama art in their permanent collections.  WEAM museum held its first erotic art show with Sorayama art in 2008 and in 2009 ongoing Opera Gallery has chosen to display his arts internationally. Bubwater (talk) 15:19, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article neutrality 

message: "Sorayama is also often described as an imaginative modern day Vargas." 
Vargas Links to Vargas (Comics) .
I think the link should be to  Alberto Vargas
Rich Mielke 14:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vargas vs. Vargas 

message: Sexy robot should simply be merged into this article. Hajime Sorayama is the person known for that phrase.  --George100 09:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it should be split apart again. Robert Abel and Associates created an award winning computer animated commercial in 1985 for the American Can Council featuring a "sexy robot". I don't know if Sorayama was involved in the design or if he was just ripped off. But it provided a substantial exposure for the concept. K8 fan (talk) 05:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sub-pages are fine with some short references here.  Bubwater (talk) 15:24, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  If ever there was an article called Sexy robot, it passed into oblivion thanks to the bright-minded editor who replaced it with a redirect to this article, destroying it, so any talk about "merging" them is meaningless. In this discussion there is no indication whatsoever if the merge was done or not (it was, though it is not obvious. The result was lossy: I am in agreement with K8 fan: Sexy robot should better be split apart again. --SciCorrector (talk) 22:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Sexy robot

message: Humanoid "android" is needlessly repetitive.Sochwa 18:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Tautology]]

message: Note: The following unsourced, dubiously-sourced, and copied or pirated text scattered within the body of the article was hampering it. I have moved it here for further elaboration / discussion. --SciCorrector (talk) 22:54, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal issues concerning Sorayama 

message: There is a need for wikipedian / admin help as a re-posting is made into External Links and to help learn about the nature of its removal(s) between about 2011 and 2016. One of the most vital longest standing Official Websites (1998 to ongoing) in External Links was removed leaving behind only a third party fan site and a younger Official Website which are fine except it creates an unbalanced selection of External Links and also removes what is more likely than not the most extensive resource about the art / artist Hajime Sorayama.  The removal appears to have been potentially done for commercial backlink reasons / other reasons by an unknown third party backlink promoter or gallery promoter. It may have been an error by not leaving reasons for the removal in this fashion.  We plan to re-post the External Link "Official Website born circa 12/1998" with a link and need guidance about it from wikipedian or wikipedia staff.
The External Link "Official Website born circa 12/1998" leads to the website(s) of the longest standing and ongoing Official Website(s) representing the Artist Hajime Sorayama for about a quarter century. I have partly used this firm for many reliable neutral facts for years because it is holding one of the most extensive “expert” knowledge bases/archives about the artist, copyright info and artworks. The owner of Artspace Company Y, LLC / Artspace Company Y LLC is the only person/firm we know of to date mentioned in a Federal government associated setting being recorded as an “expert” on the subject of Hajime Sorayama arts by a high ranking Federal Government Official of the USA.  The wayback machine includes but is not limited to archives that also show the favorable nature of this Official Website in context of reliable information about the subject matter and need to be included in External Links area. Bubwater (talk) 06:55, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note that you should not remove article talk page comments, instead giving editors a chance to express their opinion. If the comments are obviously offensive, warnings may be issued, and discussion with the editor in question is encouraged. If the editor continues to post offending/unconstructive comments, you may wish to report such instances to Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents. What I do not understand about the article is how 2 websites may both be considered official - official should only apply to 1, shouldn't it? Oh, and please assume good faith. I have removed the template spam from this page, and, as it appears that the issue in question has been resolved, I'll close the edit request. Regards, VB00 (talk) 13:49, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Having a look at these, the http://sorayama.jp/ site is copyrighted to Hajime Sorayama and is offered in two languages (so I'm assuming would be the official site in both languages), but is quite new. The http://sorayama.net/ site has been around for a long time, but is copyrighted to Artspace Company. I'm inclined to assume that the site copyrighted directly to the artist is the official site at this point in time, whatever may or may not ave been the case in the past. - Bilby (talk) 23:33, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

text: On the grounds that it doesn't make sense to keep two competing "official" websites for the one person, I'm pulling the older site, based on the copyright issue. - Bilby (talk) 09:30, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of longest established Official Website from External Links by new user/contributor who left behind a third party fan site and a younger official website 

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