Talk:Graeme Souness

message: "That summer, Souness was selected by Ally McLeod for Scotland's squad for the World Cup in Argentina. He had only won six caps by this stage and injury robbed of him of a place in Scotland's first two group games against Peru and Iran"
I was under the impression that it was McLeod's decision not to play Souness, and rely instead on the established midfield of Don Masson and Bruce Rioch, rather than any injury to the then Liverpool player.  Can anyone verify? (user: Stockton 6th July 2005)
:In the Daily Telegrah on-line edition (I only read it for the sport, honest) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2005/07/30/hansen/ufnpro.xml#h Tim Rich writes of Souness  'had he been fit for the first two games of Scotland's 1978 World Cup campaign, Ally McLeod might not have become a byword for out-of-touch management'  Neil Leslie 03:29, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
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message: Souness has publicly stated that he was determined to end Rangers' policy of not signing Catholic players, particularly as his wife was Catholic, and has written that with this in mind he tried to sign Ray Houghton and John Collins before Johnston.
In his autobiography Souness: The Management Years (Andre Deustch, 1999), he covers the signing of Johnston [pp 52-55] - 
"Rangers simply never signed Catholics. ... It never made sense to me but that was the way it had always been before I broke the mould and brought Johnston to Ibrox. I knew there would be fierce opposition in some quarters and that proved to be the case - and not just among the Rangers fans. There were divisions in the boardroom and in the dressing room at the idea..." [p52]
"...if we had not had the courage to sign Maurice who knows how long that ridiculous ban would have remained in place" [p55]
He also covers the signing in Graeme Souness: A Manager's Diary (Mainstream, 1989; pp 7-23). He says that whoever follows him as Rangers' manager won't have to "face up to the particular problem of religious discrimination which bedevilled my first three years at Ibrox. That is now a thing of the past."
On p.17, he writes 
"For years Rangers have been pilloried for what the majority of people saw as discrimination against one section of the population. Now we have shown that this unwritten policy at Ibrox is over. It's finished. Done with."
Terry Butcher, the club's captain at the time, has also written of Souness' intention - 
"At the time, it was a very strong principle that Rangers did not sign Catholics, but Graeme Souness was no fool and particularly anxious to break the mould ... He had played in Italy and Liverpool and knew the only way to be successful was to encompass everyone."
[There is an extract adapted from Butcher's autopbiography here - http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/tm_objectid=15926094&method=full&siteid=66633&headline=graeme-souness-prayed-i-would-be-the-first-catholic-to-join--rangers-name_page.html]
If you have a reputable source which can somehow prove the non-existence of such a policy, please cite it. However, it is clear from Souness' own writing that he knew there was such a ban in place, that he had pledged to end this policy when he became manager, and that after David Murray bought the club, he had the owner's backing to do it.
Hippo43 16:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent work, Hippo43! --Guinnog 16:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rangers' signing policy 

message: I deleted the sentence in the intro, "He is currently in a dispute with Sky as they claim 'his comments were not worthy of his fee'".  I can't find any evidence that this has ever been the case.  As of March 2007, Souness continues to be a Sky pundit, usually on Champions League coverage.  Stockton 00:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute with Sky 

message: A recent television program from BBC Scotland called, "That Was The Team That Was", featured Aberdeen F.C. and Alex Ferguson. There was a reference to Alex Ferguson turning down an invitation by Rangers to come and manage them in (I think) 1982. The program's voice-over stated that Ferguson had been promised that he would be allowed to sign Catholics and showed a newspaper headline that said, "And He Can Sign Catholics".
Ferguson's wife is a Roman Catholic and he was known to have expressed disapproval of the 'no Catholics' policy.
I would tend to conclude from this incident that, while Graeme Souness's signing of Mo Johnston may have been first time that Rangers made a high-profile Roman Catholic signing, the familiar tale of Souey heroically overturning the 'no Catholics' policy in the face of determined opposition from narrow-minded traditionalists does not pass muster. The promise given to Ferguson by the Rangers board, four years earlier, suggests that when Souness broke the sectarian barrier, he was not so much storming a stronghold of resistance as pushing at an open door. He deserves some credit for his courage in signing Johnston - but not nearly as much as he claims for himself in his various memoirs.
Flonto 23:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rangers' No Catholics Policy 

message: Why does the honours section as both player and manager, not show his accomplishments with Rangers? probably the most successful time of his career, and all that is shown here is the English stuff!! was it perhaps an English man that made this page?! 194.221.133.211 (talk) 09:27, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you know or can find out what he won with Rangers, how about adding them to the article yourself? BarretBonden (talk) 16:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now added (by an Englishman).     Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 19:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honours section 

message: I added and cited a reference to Souness' boyhood support of Rangers, which is well documented in print and from the man's own mouth. He used to go to Ibrox to watch Rangers as a boy as well as to Tyncastle to watch Hearts, and indeed still occasionally takes a place in the directors box. Can't understand why this reference was removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.95.116 (talk) 16:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support of Rangers 

message: I have corrected the year as it was wrongly given as 68/69 but that was Sunderland v West Brom.Statto74 (talk) 14:03, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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message: Having effected one appearance, he should be regarded as winner of the 1971-1972 UEFA Cup. Why isn't he? VAN ZANT (talk) 19:49, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Because that's not how honours are attributed on enwiki. If he didn't have a place in the squad(s) for the final, there should be some tangible evidence that he received a medal. Crowsus (talk) 05:24, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I respect this criteria, but I don't agree. Suppose a player scores decisive goals in the first rounds of a competition and then is not included in the squad for the final. He doesn't receive the medal, but has been decisive for the success of his team. He should be regarded as winner, evenf if he doesn't receive the medal. --VAN ZANT (talk) 09:31, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  1971-1972 UEFA Cup winner