Talk:Schönhausen Palace

message: The result of the debate was no consensus. However, according to evidence on official English pages of German authorities, the English name is Schönhausen Palace, so I moved it there. —Nightstallion (?) 08:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: : No it absolutely was not.  The vote was 3 Support, 3 Oppose (and one of those Oppose votes later modified his opinion in favour of Schloss Schönhausen. Noel S McFerran 18:50, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  User:Nightstallion said he "moved this to Schönhausen Palace per the official website of Berlin's building lot management. You know, WP:BOLD, WP:UCS, WP:IAR and all that."  If his intent counts as a vote, that's 57% in favor of the move -- not quite the 60% threshold but it's not that egregious. AjaxSmack 23:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Six people voted.  Of these six, four of them expressed support in the discussion for a name change to "Schloss Schönhausen" (Angr, Charles, McFerran, Mmounties).  In addition Nightstallion himself said on March 12, that he supported "Schloss Schönhausen".  That is a reasonably clear consensus for "Schloss Schönhausen". Noel S McFerran 23:42, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I tried to change things back to Chateau Schönhausen (which I personally don't like), but an admin named Freakofnature changed things back.  I don't think this page should be changed without a Wiki consensus (which seemed to be developing for Schloss Schönhausen).  I do not understand why two editors who had not been involved in the discussion changed things. Noel S McFerran 19:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Absolute nonsense.  There was a clear majority in the debate to move this page to "Schloss Schönhausen".  Votes about name changes on other pages do not override a vote on this page about its name.  On one of those pages the vote was 2 Support, 2 Oppose; how exactly is that a clear vote?  I understand that Nightstallion thinks that this page should be named "Schönhausen Palace".  But that doesn't mean that he can just ignore a vote on this page.  Nightstallion: please change it back.  Just because you're an admin, doesn't mean that you can ignore a vote.  Wikipedia is not a dictatorship where you get to unilaterally decide things. Noel S McFerran 09:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The same holds true for the moves to Paretz Palace and Charlottenhof Palace.  They should be under "Schloss Paretz" and "Schloss Charlottenhof" for the same reason that Schönhausen should be under "Schloss".  There certainly was no consensus to move them, not on their talk pages and not inferred from this one.  --Mmounties (Talk)   01:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Mmounties that there was not a voting consensus for a change to Paretz Palace and Charlottenhof Palace.  I did not cast a vote in these cases, since I was undecided.  There does seem to be some significant use of the term "palace" for these buildings (as opposed to Schönhausen where the use of "palace" is much less common). Noel S McFerran 04:10, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: Chateau Schönhausen → Schönhausen Palace - I believe there was a slight error in the translation of schloss to chateau. Chateau is a French word applied to French structures. Schloss is different and is translated as chateau only in French and into palace or castle in English. The foundation that cares for Schönhausen is that which cares for Prussian *palaces*. Keeping it at Chateau Schönhausen is akin to Schloss Versailles or Chateau Buckingham. Charles 05:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As above Charles 05:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

text: You just said a chateau is a small palace. By calling this place a chateau, you concede that it is a palace. Schloss to palace is not misleading. Schloss means palace or castle. This building is closer to palace than castle. It is palatial due to its composition and former use. Versailles is palatial, it is a chateau. It is also French. Sansoucci is small and it is considered a palace. I am a native English speaker and I can tell you that hardly anyone uses chateau outside of French structures. Charles 00:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The Wikipedia category for German palaces contains many structures at articles title "Schloss" as well as ones at "Palace", to reflect what Mr. McFerran states in his opposition explanation. Charles 01:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Leaving it at Schloss I would have no problem with.  I knew "Turnaround" wasn't that great.  It was just a first stab at it.  I'm not sufficiently familiar with that period and assumed that the Wende had to come before the reunification.  If you think "after German reunification" does it, it's fine with me.  --Mmounties (Talk)   17:55, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :As above Charles 05:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You just said a chateau is a small palace. By calling this place a chateau, you concede that it is a palace. Schloss to palace is not misleading. Schloss means palace or castle. This building is closer to palace than castle. It is palatial due to its composition and former use. Versailles is palatial, it is a chateau. It is also French. Sansoucci is small and it is considered a palace. I am a native English speaker and I can tell you that hardly anyone uses chateau outside of French structures. Charles 00:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The Wikipedia category for German palaces contains many structures at articles title "Schloss" as well as ones at "Palace", to reflect what Mr. McFerran states in his opposition explanation. Charles 01:35, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Leaving it at Schloss I would have no problem with.  I knew "Turnaround" wasn't that great.  It was just a first stab at it.  I'm not sufficiently familiar with that period and assumed that the Wende had to come before the reunification.  If you think "after German reunification" does it, it's fine with me.  --Mmounties (Talk)   17:55, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Talk:Chateau Paretz and Talk:Chateau Charlottenhof. It appears so far that Schloss would be suitable for all three. Charles 18:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note also 

message: Such a long article for such a trivial structure. --Ghirla | talk 08:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh come on.... I don't think it's fair to call the structure trivial. Gryffindor 15:56, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  At least the article wasn't edited to express such an opinion ;-P Charles 18:56, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You gave me a chuckle there!  Nice going, Charles.  --Mmounties (Talk)   03:36, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old talk 

message: The translation for schloss into English is castle or palace, not chateau. That is what it may be called in French. If anything, this page should be moved to Schloss Schönhausen rather than establishing a weird orgy of three languages. Chateau is fine when speaking of Versailles or Vaux le Vicomte, not for German "chateaux" which are either castles, palaces or mansions. Charles 05:26, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I support calling it "Schloss Schönhausen", as well, per the above arguments. —Nightstallion (?) 18:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "chateau" comes closest to describing this Schloss, because it would be too small to count as a true palace. Chateau however is a French word as well. In cases were translation is difficult or warps the issue, maybe it's best to leave it at the original German name and post a discussion on the English-German translation forum. Gryffindor 15:55, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of chateau 

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