Talk:Apocalypto/Archive 2

message: I watched an interview with Gibson, where he claimed the word "apocalypto" was a Mayan word of some given meaning. I do not recall the exact definition he claimed, aside from finding it ridiculously unlikely that it had such a similar meaning in Mayan to the Greek word, from which we get "apocalypse". 
But, anyway, it needs to be noted here. --Kaz 15:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether it is or it isn't, it's unlikely to be a Mayan word in contemporary use during the period depicted in the film.Fizzackerly (talk) 13:12, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Name of the Movie 

message: Someone re-added the quote without justifying their actions in talk.  Since it in no way contributes to the plot, I'm going to be deleting it from the plot section.  Feel free to justify it's placement or make a section specifically for the quote. it doesn't belong where it has been placed, and please don't just be obstinate and revert, you need to warrant your actions as I have mine.
:Thank you for your point of view, this is not an article about Will Durant or about your subjective view of its usage, it is about the film where the quote is used as the opening and that is the only reason why it is included in this article. Your opinion about its usage is your opinion, if the estate of Mr Durant has any issues that it has voiced in the media or there are any other published conflicts about its use in the film then that material is worthy of inclusion. Please read WP:V Mighty Antar (talk) 18:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Misinterpretation of Will Durant Quote

message: The film's dedication appears part way through the end credits (and in that sense is pretty well hidden) as something along the lines of 'dedicated to the memory of Abel'. I forget the exact wording.
Anyone know the origins of that dedication? Is it just a Gibsonism given his well known strong Christian zeal along with the film's violent themes and the impending doom of the Mayans implied at the end of the film. Or is it a dedication to a more contemporary 'Abel' who's identity is obvious even without a surname?Fizzackerly (talk) 15:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dedication 

message: article said decline of maya empire. or is it not more logic than it be the aztec empire and the conquistador show at the end is Cortes. another argument is: the collapse of the maya city state civilisation was not cause by conquistador: the shock of civilisation with westener was never involve like a hypothesis for the fall of maya. 
in conclusion, 2 option was possible: it have a mistake in the article or the historical exactitude of movie is defiscient and the article is accurate. if someone could answer this question, it will be really appreciated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.155.46 (talk) 18:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A: the second of those two options is closest to the mark. It's a fictional film, not history. As some of the article notes, the film's creators have taken numerous liberties with actual historical knowledge in building their story. The iconography, architecture, and perhaps most famously the language used are taken from Maya, not Aztec/Nahua, culture— albeit somewhat mixed up from different time periods/regions. --cjllw ʘ TALK 23:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  aztec or maya 

message: I am new to the process of editing wikipedia, but I wanted to raise the issue of how the Academy Award nominations/wins are presented in this article.  In many Wiki articles, the awards are identified with the # of the awards, (for this film, it would be the 79th Academy Awards - http://www.oscars.org/79academyawards/nomswins.html) and often listed with bullets. See an example at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Diamond_(film).  By just stating the year the award was won or nominated (2007), as this article does, it confuses whether that is the year it received the award (2007) with the year for which it was nominated (2006).Ginwiki (talk) 13:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards 

message: I changed a minor portion of the plot to accurately describe how Cut Rock was killed.  The article stated that Jaguar Paw killed Cut Rock with his own knife, but actually he kills him with the broken arrow. There is a shot that shows him break off the front part of the arrow and as Cut Rock bends down to slash his throat, Jaguar Paw shoves the arrow into his throat.   After Zero Wolf runs out to his dying son, there is a shot that clearly shows the broken shaft sticking out of Cut Rock's throat while Zero Wolf is now holding the knife he took from his dead son's hand.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ginwiki (talk • contribs) 14:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: Why is this section allowed to remain here? Who the hell is Edgar Martin del Campo? - SoSaysChappy (talk) 06:22, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Eclipse' 

message: Didn't write any note with the update I just made, the reference link "44" led to a page no longer there. I replaced it with a working link. Link was only used twice in the Representation of the Maya section. NoFlyingCars (talk) 02:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated a broken link 

message: Waldo's cameo is not mentioned in this page, and I when I edited the article to include it, it was deleteted. Why is this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.135.49.234 (talk) 18:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of Waldo 

message: I deleted the following sentence in the section on the arrival of the Spaniards which cites no source:
"However, despite the end of construction at many famous postclassic centers, such as Chichen Itza and Uxmal, they had not been abandoned at the time of the Spanish arrival, and there were still many comparatively smaller Maya cities such as Mayapan, Tiho, Coba, Chetumal, Nito, and Tayasal, also known as Petzen Itza, survived until 1697 before being conquered by the Spaniards."
Without a source, it sounds like original research. Also, the claim seems irrelevant to the discussion because it refers to "smaller" Maya cities, whereas the city depicted in the movie was certainly not a small one. 94.222.117.176 (talk) 23:18, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I just came across this info which confirms that the unsourced claim is unfounded: "The Mayan capital, INCLUDING ANY GREAT TEMPLE OF THE SORT IN THE FILM, had mysteriously disappeared 700 years before the Spanish arrived." (emphasis added, http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1570108-3,00.html#ixzz0aeQ0mxSk)94.222.117.176 (talk) 23:18, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unverified claim/original research 

message: In the plot summary the space where they set the blue warriors free to shoot at them is called an Amphitheater. I know it is very picky but there were no Amphitheaters in Meso-America. This term is more appropriate for ancient Greek, Roman or Alexandrian  style theaters. I know it may not look much like it (apologies to production designer) but in the commentary the director and script writer specifically reference a Ball court as the influence for this space. I really just wanted to be able to link to the ball court article to spread the Ball court love. If I have done any of this incorrectly or out of order I am sorry. A little new to Wikipedia.Riwo (talk) 18:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amphitheater changed to Ballcourt 

message: This article states, "Anthropologist Traci Ardren criticized the presence of the Spanish expedition in the last five minutes of the story, claiming that 'the Spaniards arrived 300 years after the last Maya city was abandoned.' " Yet, according to the Wikipedia article "Spanish conquest of Yucatán,"
"Montejo returned in 1531 with a force that conquered the Maya port city of Campeche."
I'm going to delete the quoted sentence from this article. If someone can resolve this conflict, please restore this. But we shouldn't let false information remain in the encyclopedia, even if it's from a scholar.
75.73.169.252 (talk) 09:23, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: The article states, "Traci Ardren wrote that the Spanish arrivals were Christian missionaries." But Christopher Columbus was not a missionary. Someone else can delete it if they want, along with the other false statements in this article.
75.73.169.252 (talk) 09:31, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement is not that the Spanish arrivals were Christian missionaries, or that the Spanish arrivals in the movie were led by Columbus, or that Columbus was a Christian missionary.  The statement is that Traci Arden wrote that the Spanish arrivals depicted in the film were Christian missionaries.  The statement that Traci Arden wrote such a thing, is backed up by a cited reference, which I have checked and confirmed.  --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: fwiw, Columbus didn't make it to Mexico or Guatemala. From this map it looks like he only got as far west as Honduras. -PrBeacon (talk) 20:21, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another contradiction 

message: Does anybody notice that when the captives are being taken to the Mayan city they cross the waterfall from the same location as when the main character is escaping from the Mayan city.
86.15.185.134 (talk) 10:21, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Waterfall 

message: The section regarding the alleged plagiarism of Hergé's work is either poorly written or heavily biased in the film maker's favour. The fact that this scene does occur in a Tintin comic is not a rumour, it is indeed a verifiable fact. While I'm certain that Gibson's lunacy is advanced enough to make him blatantly deny printed fact as a rumour, the relevant fact here is that the section needs improvement. 82.32.160.97 (talk) 17:58, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Tintin Controversy

message: :Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.
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**the last cite (by Robert A Yelle) is only available to students of University of Toronto, (or by payment ?).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.41.242 (talk) 02:52, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: References to use

message: http://www3.uni-bonn.de/maya-dismembered-their-enemies
perhaps the critics spoke early?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.177.153.18 (talk) 12:13, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: criticism?

message: Which one should be used in this article?--Adûnâi (talk) 01:08, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  An inconsistency (." or ".) 

message: Tamili yaravathu translate pannunga please!!!
This is my Request. Murugan Sanganthiradu (talk) 14:18, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tamil  

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: What about the transliteration of the original names of the characters? Can someone please add it? הראש (talk) 18:49, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: that's an interesting idea, but I'm not finding any sources listing the Yucatec Maya names.  Do you think a free online translation would work?  (Example "Jaguar Paw" = "pata báalam", "Seven" = "Ukp'éel", "Flint Sky" = "ka'anal le pedernal", etc.) Hoof Hearted (talk) 15:41, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration  

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Ok T-doo tman (talk) 16:01, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
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