Talk:Anarchy, State, and Utopia

message: The article states, "To support the idea of the minimal state, Nozick posits an ultraminimal state as a thought experiment and attempts to show how it will lead to a minimal state."  Is this really what he does?  Why would you support the idea of the minimal state by showing how an ultraminmimal state would lead to a minimal state? Zensufi 14:20, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  minimal state leads to minimal state? 

message: This article is decent right now, but given the unpopularity of Nozick's positions much more should be said about his critics. In particular the responses of John Rawls and Michael Walzer should be mentioned, as well as Susan Okin's criticisms. I could maybe start on this at some point, but anyone familiar with the literature on all this should jump in. Snowboardpunk 21:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs much more disscussion of Criticisms 

message: Why is nothing mentioned of the Difference Principle, the Original Position? Tourskin (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Rawls 

message: The paragraph was very well written and captures the heart of Nozick's argument, however the last sentence was misleading.  The language employed the word "unsustainable."  The implication of this last sentence is that anarchy fails or somehow leads to chaos and disorder or something which is a complete break from a state of anarchy. I don't think that captures the essence of Nozick's argument.  Better understood, Nozick's theory is that a state of anarchy will always lead to a single, dominant, protective agency...a minimalist state.  Because anarchy will ALWAYS lead to this minimalist state, its misleading to say that its unsustainable.  The system does in fact sustain itself.  It wins out; it outcompetes and dominates all others.  What emerges is not chaotic or a break from anarchy, its an ordered entity which emerges from anarchy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.18.100.210 (talk) 04:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theory 

message: I cannot find where in Lectures on the History of Political Philosophy Rawls criticizes Nozick in the way this article says.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.76.18.130 (talk) 02:01, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rawls' criticism 

message: The philosopher Alasdair MacIntyre offers a critique of Nozick's "Anarchy, State, and Utopia" in his 1981 work, After Virtue, and there may be further work on this critique in MacIntyre's follow up, "Whose Justice?  Which Rationality?".  -Teetotaler 5 January, 2015  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.151.78 (talk) 18:13, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Alasdair MacIntyre]] 

message: I believe that most of the section discussing Rawls's response to Anarchy, State, and Utopia should be removed. It seems to violate both WP:NPOV and WP:NOR. Much of it is not even directly relevant: thus, one paragraph begins "In The Law of Peoples, speaking of libertarianism generally...". In other words, the material is not actually about Rawls's view of Anarchy, State, and Utopia, but about libertarianism in general, meaning that this is the wrong article for it. Similarly, the section about Justice as Fairness begins, "Although not actually a response, in Justice as Fairness..." I'm going to wait a few days, to research this issue further and give other editors a chance to respond; if there is no response, I'm probably going to go ahead and remove most of the section on Rawls. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 00:59, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Although they are not tied directly by citations they are tied together but since there are not any citations you certainly may remove it. On the other hand there are many works that compare the two, for a better encyclopedia, I think it would be better to improve it. NPOV does not seem to apply here, all significant viewpoints should be stated. BUT... they certainly should be cited better than an inline link. It does seem to be original research since we have no idea where these viewpoints came from, it would be nice if the author came back and clarified. Jadeslair (talk) 01:19, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is a violation of WP:NPOV to include material that isn't actually about Anarchy, State, and Utopia in this article and present it as though it were a response to the book. So I will probably remove that material within the next few days. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 01:36, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you are correct but the book not a romance novel it is a work which presents ideas. I am not opposing you. Just presenting my ideas. Jadeslair (talk) 02:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea what your bizarre comment above is supposed to mean. In any case, I have removed the inappropriate material per WP:NOR and other policies. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 03:13, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception section 

message: Maybe I'm missing part of the line of reasoning in this argument. When Wilt receives 250.000 USD additional income, in a rawlesian world a tax system would kick in, redistributing income. If the least wealthy person receives more than 25 cent, he'd be better off. If there would be no tax system, Nozick would be right, but this would be a circular agrument, wouldn't it? In a world in which nobody wants redistribution, there would be no working rule for distribution. Winkelhake (talk) 08:55, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wilt Chamberlain Argument 

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message: As much as I have been taught to be my libertarian, Nozickian mentor, I have to object to the use of the term "patterned" in conjunction to income distribution. In here. Because that term is Nozick's innovation, and it doesn't hold much water in today's philosophical community. I'd *want* it to, as a libertarian of sorts who likes the idea, but it still very well can't.
So, as far as I can see it, the idea of "pattern" should be demoted to the body text, and maybe even given scare quotes. It's an influencial idea, to be true, and a nice way to put our libertarian objections to ideological social policy, but I still don't think the idea should go unchallenged, in here, encyclopediacally. Decoy (talk) 21:16, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ??? patterns is used frequently in nozickian discourse, and is generally a signifier of an objection to nozickian reasoning. it is a valid and useful term within the academic discourse. iirc marxist critics of nozick are willing to use his term and generally do not challenge it in order to take nozick at his best. cf g.a. cohen. Meikkon (talk) 02:09, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the use of the term "patterned distribution"