Talk:Taher Saifuddin

message: I have changed the tone of the entire article and also added citations. I request the administrators to please consider the same and remove the tags.
Araz5152 (talk) 20:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: changed tone added citation

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 17:04, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Please dont add biased unreliable unverifiable sources.User:Anupmehra I have removed all the unverifiable claims.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Summichum (talk • contribs) 10:51, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed unverifiable and unreliable claims and sources see WP:RSN. Self published sources also removed 

message: I've removed all unsourced contents and unreliable sources from this article. I've tagged it with  because it requires some reliable sources to verify claims as such he was appointed Da'i at the age of 27. Do not add any unreferenced or poorly-referenced contents, such additions would be undid. If you wish to add/remove further on, it'd be better to first discuss your changes here. And, I would not repeat stuffs related to edit-war on each and every talk page, taking into consideration the group of editors engaged on every bohra related articles are the same. Go edit-war and find yourself reported at WP:AIV. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 19:05, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Taher Saifuddin]] 

message: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Summichum (talk • contribs) 20:10, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation 

message: Please dont add biased unreliable unverifiable sources.User:Anupmehra I have removed all the unverifiable claims.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Summichum (talk • contribs) 10:51, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  QVVERTYVS most of the references are from an unreliable source which is also unverifiable i.e: Hozefa Mohiyuddin, Tasbeeh al Mafakhir, Neelam Publication. This issue was raised long back and refrences were demanded. Since these refrences are self published at best they cant be considered as valid sources. Hence I call upon you to re edit \ transform the article on solid wiki standards.Summichum (talk) 14:54, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *This biographical article appears to have all the maintenance tags it could have. Most of the cited sources are offline, and one may not easily be able to perform a double check on them. Also, majority of offline sources relate themselves to "Neelam Publication", I've no idea about, never heard of. To me appears to be a primary/unreliable source, looking at this. I had earlier interacted with some 'badre muneer' sources, and they all were biased and promotional in nature with no indication of journalistic work. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 18:14, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't trust the sources, feel free to remove them and the info they are supposed to source. I reverted because  also removed the parts sourced by Jonah Blank's book and added a couple of nonsensical tags. The new tag deluge also serves no purpose, IMHO. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 18:43, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Btw., where on WP:RSN is the discussion pertaining to these sources? QVVERTYVS (hm?) 18:52, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  QVVERTYVS  firstly there is no reference to Jonah blanks , I agree that this book should be cited but nothing in this article comes from that book "Mullah on Mainframe" Hence I request you to please constructively remove all such junk and actually include material from that book, if you dont have a copy I can send it to you.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Summichum (talk • contribs) 18:58, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello User:Summichum, I'm wondering it has almost been a year now and you've not yet learned, how to sign and date your talk page messages? Please do it by typing four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your post. @Qwertyus:, - I think, the discussion is buried deep on any of the Bohra related article's talk page. It was not dragged at RSN because they were very clearly a promotional self-published work at first glance and helpfully they had admitted the same in the 'About' section of their page. I think, I'd request scan copies of the few cited pages at WP:WikiProject Resource Exchange. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 19:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just been hunting for third-party sources and have found sources for at least the claim that T.S. was chancellor of Aligarh University. I see  did a more careful deletion of material now (although I'm not sure the name of T.S.'s wife is controversial...) QVVERTYVS (hm?) 19:33, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed unverifiable and unreliable claims and sources see WP:RSN. Self published sources also removed 

message: I was observing this article and I noticed the IP remove some content and get reverted. That lead me to research this further. There are some serious issues with the content as well as the references.
1. First of all, the section makes extra ordinary claims. As per WP:EXTRAORDINARY, that would need extra ordinary references where as the references used are either written by the claiming person as the author or a reference stating clearly that these are the claims of that person and not factually saying these are true. Therefore even the references used are not backing these statements as facts, rather as mere claims. These references are not even enough to support such POV claims and they are not even WP:DUE here as opinion of this person.
2. These are mostly based on Wikipedia:Fringe theories and there is no fact checking involved, all claims go against mainstream sources and no counter opinions are discussed in the references. Therefore, it is clear that these sources are not Reliable sources.
3. Even if all the sources were, for the sake of argument, assumed to be reliable, the content itself would still not be eligible for wikipedia. The reason is clear, the content is heavily WP:SYNTH of even these poor sources. It presents as facts what are claims and combines opinions of the claiming person(s) as statements that are not made or quoted directly from the subject.
Based on above three points, I am removing this content. Kindly do not reinsert it as this is a serious referencing issue.
Muffizainu (talk) 08:15, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of Criticisms section

message: A couple of sources¹·² indicate the date of Syedna Taher Saifuddin is 5 August 1888, whilst a Dawoodi Bohra official publication³ (authored by Syedna Taher Saifuddin himself) which I have access to claims it to be 4 August 1888.
I'm going to change the date to 4 August 1888 in accordance with that.
¹ https://books.google.co.in/books?id=jD8jAQAAMAAJ&q=taher+august+1888
² https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:An_Authentic_Account_of_the_Pontifical_Office_of_Dai_al-Mutlaq_and_its_Fifty-First_Incumbent_His_Holiness_Sardar_Saiyedna_Taher_Saifuddin_Saheb.pdf
³ دفينة مفاخر ال النبي الطهر (page 82) Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 13:55, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of Birth Conundrum 

message: Removing the tag because I don't see a discussion on the talk page on examples of what needs to be changed. I wrote most of the article and very much open to adding newer content or changing tone where required. Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 11:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV