Talk:Brunei dollar

message: I will rename this page Brunei ringgit as there was never a Brunei dollarEnlil Ninlil 04:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you do move it, I've no objection, but please make sure that it is clear that the name dollar appears alongside ringitt on all banknotes. The denominations are given in the local language in ringitt and in dollars in English.Dove1950 16:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the English Wikipedia, so naturally, the title should be in English, not Malay.  Ringgit Brunei should be the correct title in Malay.  Brunei ringgit has no meaning in either English or Malay as the correct term in English is the "Brunei Dollar" (unlike the Malaysian currency which is the "Malaysian ringgit" in English and "Ringgit Malaysia" in Malay).  Bruneians have always used the term dollar when talking in the english language to stress the difference between the Bruneian currency and the Malaysian currency and the "at par" with the Singaporean dollar.  Even in normal conversational malay, "duit Brunei" is used to talk about "Brunei money" rather than "ringgit Brunei" so as not to confuse the currency with the Malaysian one, eventhough "Ringgit Brunei" is the correct official Malay term for the currency in the Malay language.  I'm moving this back to Brunei Dollar.  --Novelty (talk) 04:25, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, the page already exists, so it can't be moved.  I'm gonna request for a move.  See new heading below.  --Novelty (talk) 08:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename

message: The naming convention for numismatic articles as a whole is under discussion. Please do not pre-empt this by moving while the discussion on this article is paused.Dove1950 (talk) 21:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The move was carried out via the requested move process, above, and the only editor in opposition was yourself.  The discussion has been closed as it was very clear what the consensus was. Should the naming convention decide otherwise, the article can always be moved again. I encourage you all to participate in that discussion. Neıl ☎ 09:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is absurd, Dove1950. The result of the debate was quite clear, and frankly, the result at the Numismatics project is quickly becoming quite clear to use English names, and yet you have reverted this move twice. The consensus at this page should prevail, and yet you hold it up by simply trying to force your version through. This is move warring, and such behaviour is prohibited. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

text: It can work either way. In some cases, policy and guideline changes work top-down: The change is proposed as a policy or guideline change, and then implemented in particular cases. But more commonly, at least some specific cases are dealt with first, under WP:IAR, and the guidelines and policies are then changed after the fact. Andrewa (talk) 19:04, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move must wait

message: History of currencies used in Brunei looks like it more or less falls under the scope of this article. As such, it should be merged. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:20, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the article is not under the scope of Brunei dollar as the article's subject is the history of the currencies that were once used in Brunei as a whole, not just the Brunei dollar that is used now.--Hallows AG 12:33, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: Nathanielcwm has requested 15 files to be renamed for consistency.The new names that were requested are considerably less descriptive than the current names. For example :File:1 Brunei dollar (BND) note, front (fair use).jpg -> File:BND 1 Polymer (2011) f.jpg and :File:Brunei 5 dollar 2011 polymer note.jpg -> File:BND 5 Polymer (2011) f.jpg.Because of this I'm unsure it's even an improvement.  any opinion? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 19:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not familiar with the filenames used in these type of articles, however the :File:1 Brunei dollar (BND) note, front (fair use).jpg appears better as a filename, but many are named in the requested form. As it looks now, either way is OK, I think consistency should be strived for.   - FlightTime (open channel) 20:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: FlightTime, I see only 3 in the requested form, all uploaded by Nathanielcwm. If that category is all I'd rather rename everything and include full version of the abbreviated terms. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:39, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree. Give me a poke and I can help you with that. Cheers,  - FlightTime (open channel) 00:08, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:    I took the naming scheme from :Category:Banknotes of Singapore I don't even understand how the 65 is relevant to :File:1 Brunei dollar (BND) note, front (fair use).jpg and it has already been replaced, albeit with a minor revision in 2016, so it's not exactly a new note. As for the 5 dollar note, I believe that it conveys more information as in the old name it doesn't mention whether it's the front or the back, but the rest of the information is retained to the best of my knowledge. - nathanielcwm (talk) 02:25, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Nathanielcwm, could the 65 be related to the 65th birthday of Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah which the article mentions?I prefer seeing filenames without abbreviations. If you see "BND 1 Polymer (2011) f.jpg" in a list out of context you'd have no idea what it is. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:23, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Nathanielcwm, on hold, generally yes. (though they are still in the queue and another file mover might decide to ignore common practice)Technically the dollar sign is allowed in filenames but I'd very much rather avoid it. $ followed by a number is also used for replacements. See for example :User talk:Alexis Jazz/Bawl/preload. (example) This can also cause problems with software/scripts if they forget to escape replacements. MediaWiki for example. I'd suggest "1 Brunei dollar (BND) note, front (fair use).jpg". This is still clear when seen out of context in for example a maintenance list/category. I'd actually omit the "polymer" and "2011" as the file may get overwritten in the future with a new design for the B$1 note. The addition of "(fair use)" is to avoid possible future conflicts with files on Wikimedia Commons of older notes of which the copyright expired. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 10:17, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Under Commons guidelines afaik major file changes shouldn't be uploaded as a new version, i.e a new version of a currency note should be uploaded as a new file no? IDK how much that policy applies to wikipedia instead tho. - nathanielcwm (talk) 13:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Nathanielcwm, Wikipedia is different. On Commons, yes you are absolutely right because both versions could be usable. On Wikipedia the old version of something non-free (like an old company logo or pre-release movie poster) gets deleted for failing WP:NFCC#8. Overwriting actually keeps more of the file history public as only the content of old file revisions gets deleted. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 13:30, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  would some of the commemmorative banknotes be allowed to be displayed on this page, as some of them have commentary - like the $10k note and 2011 series. - nathanielcwm (talk) 13:58, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Nathanielcwm, I had already scratched the front image of the 10K note from :Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2022 July 15#File:Reverse of 10000 Brunei Dollar Bill.jpg as there is some commentary on that for being one of the world's most valuable banknotes. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 14:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested file renames