Talk:New Soviet man

message: Yeah, I found the Library of Congress's link as well as tons of other useful stuff on and about the Soviet Union, but I am really interested to find out more about this New Soviet Man.  Anyone has ideas about this or suggestion on where to look for more information/details?  Thanks for your help.
There are hardly any first-hand documents about the building of the New Soviet man, but you can try to find propaganda meterials and old university textbooks on Marxism-Leninism. Samnikal 07:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where to find more 

message: Homo sovieticus should be merged here to provide the sourcing/criticism this article lacks. --LeflymanTalk 03:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes, they have everything in common: "Homo Sovieticus" is a satirical criticism of the ideal of "New Soviet Man" -- as noted in the article itself, "In many ways it meant the opposite of the New Soviet man..." and is clear from the BBC article,  Thorny legacy of 'Soviet Man'. New Soviet Man doesn't even have a single reference. A general "Psychology of Soviet people" article would be a whole 'nother thing -- and likely Original Research. There's no precedent in :Category:Social_sciences for such an article.--LeflymanTalk 17:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: **This criticism is one mouse click away. No reason to have clearly separable topics in one article. `'mikka 01:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested merge 

message: Did the USSR ever use the term "New Soviet man"? I googled extensively, and so far I have not found one positive use of the term from the Soviets themselves, only use by westerners. --Gary123 (talk) 14:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yes it did! You probably googled something incorrectly. - Altenmann >t 16:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Soviet Sources

message: And beneath even wikipedia de facto standards, which is why I placed the tags. The supposed quote by Trotsky is especially outrageous. That communism seeks to raise Man up in to a completely new level is hardly anything to be ashamed of however. Rather you would think it would be the advocates of an animalistic and inevitable "human nature" who would want to hide their backward aspirations for humanity. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 16:36, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, upon reconsideration just pulled the "quote" in its entirety:Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution  Richard Pipes Communism: A History (2001) , pages 68-69. :"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will" There may be a passage in Literature and Revolution corresponding to this, if so it can be put back with a reference to it, not the dubious translation by this anti-communist polemicist. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Found it, its the next to the last ¶ in Ch. 8, so putting back as an actual quote, dunno where the scurrilous crap above came from. If you compare the actual text with the above you will see a classic case of POV editing and purposeful distortion which appears in this case to have had multiple hands from the hack academic to the editor that placed the above. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 17:14, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Mostly Anticommunist Crap

message: To complain about wikipedia de facto standards and then put in this one-sided view as an opinion is patently hypocritical: "Rather you would think it would be the advocates of an animalistic and inevitable "human nature" who would want to hide their backward aspirations for humanity."  This statement shows clear bias against those who disagree with communist philosophy and action, and attempts to paint anyone who disagrees with Marxist views as supporting a "backward" view that man simply operates on a principle of being "red in tooth and claw" and can do no better; this is simply untrue and as a criticism more reveals the communist view that left alone, without the the social tinkering of communists, man is nothing more than a selfish brute in need of "proper educating and regimentation".  Truly a case of the pot calling the kettle black.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.210.119 (talk) 23:53, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violation of subject neutrality 

message: 1) This section says Soviet people often called themselves "sovki", yet this term is derogatory, I doubt it was used at the time but those it names; I myself, never heard (or used, or knew) it then, and now it is used by those disliking Soviet time.
2) The citation from Kon describes impact of being a Soviet man as a negative one. While I (or any other Soviet man) may disagree, I understand that this opinion is as valid as my disagreement. However, the section ONLY gives this one negative citation, while surely, there are positive ones (and maybe other negative ones?). And having only this one negative point view surely does not benefit this article, making it non-neutral in a bad sense. So, can the section be removed, unless more information on psychological consequences is added. 87.228.26.123 (talk) 16:50, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psychological consequences - Error, non-neutral, request to delete it. 

message: Wilhelm Reich was a notable anti-Stalinist, and his opinions on human nature are in line with bog standard Humanism. In the Mass Psychology of Fascism, he argues that human nature does not need re-shaping, but that the fetters on human nature are social in origin, the cumulative effects of two thousand years of patriarchal civilization (paraphrasing him here). This article is in desperate need of a re-write to make clear whether or not there actually was an attempt at the "new Soviet man" or if this just a trope from 20th century ideological anti-communist tracts. Situwannabe (talk) 19:36, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of Wilhelm Reich quote in "Intent" section 

message: К такому же обычному входу может быть неоправданный поступок
Benzer şekilde sıradan bir girişe haksız bir fiil olabilir
类似的普通条目可能存在不正当行为
我有一些事情我宁愿讨论一下，然后再就历史是如何在制作的同时写下任何结论，而所有观众都充分尊重，我们不需要警察留下来，他们的声音会如此 它应该是  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:14F:1F7:1A0A:E4DD:6DE7:2F41:D614 (talk) 16:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  There could be a unjustified deed to a similarly ordinary wntry