Talk:Kabbalah/Archive 1

message: Could someone Jewish re-write this article?? PLEASE.
i hope i'm placing this comment in the right place. this is labelled as a discussion page. i'm not intentionally practicing vandalism, if i'm putting this in the wrong place. reportedly, there is also hermetic kabbalah, which is supposed to be considerably different than jewish kabbalah. the hermetic order of the golden dawn was based on hermetic kabbalah, according to what i have heard. 
:This is a well written article. Someone had put this request at the end, detracting from the content like graffiti. BF 06:22 Dec 13, 2002 (UTC)
REQUEST - Christian works of Kabbalah should be discussed here. Non-Jewish and non-Christian works of Kabbalah, such as neo-paganism, should also be discussed here as well.
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Two important things missing:
:the Tree of Life. You dont have Kabbalah lege artis withouth Tree of Life
* I am currently working on a Tree of Life graphic to be released under the FDL. --Masterhomer 04:01, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: the 4 emanation worlds (Atzilut, B'riah, Yetzirah,Assiah). Without it-no cosmology. So, these 3 things had to be juxtaposed in order to get a more comprehensive picture: 4 worlds (plus Adam Kadmon as the 5th) for cosmology, 5 souls for psychopneumatology, and Tree of Life as mythic symbol derived from Pythagorean tetractys to give esoteric link between Man and Cosmos.
Mir Harven 00:27, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Requests for additions

message: More important (apart from the abovementioned balderdash) is a dated & tribalist description of Kabbalist psychology. True, pockets of Jewish fundie Kabbalists still hold to a rather idiotic "racial-religious" pneumatology- but they're a negligent minority now. This part needs editing. Uhhh......I dont want to get entangled into this. Would some merciful nefesh spare me the arduous task of typing about Atzilut, Beriah, Kadmon, tzimtzum, gilgul,... ?
Mir Harven 00:17, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Dated descriptions of Kabbalah need to be rewritten

message: "Neon Genesis Evangelion utilised the Kabbalah imagery heavily and implied a secret portion of the Kabbalah contained within the Dead Sea scrolls and maintained through time by various individuals and operating in a group currently known as SEELE (the leader of whom is believed to be either Cain or the Wandering Jew)."
What is this supposed to mean exactly?
:As with many secular forms of Kabbalah, is has absolutely no meaning whatsoever. JFW | T@lk 11:49, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neon Genesis Evangelion 

message: Regarding these, neither is "nature worship".  Panentheism describes religions which consider the universe to be part of God and lesser.  Pantheism describes religions which consider God to be a fundamental, immanent part of all things.  They are not distinct religions.
See Kabbalah#Mystic Doctrines in Talmudic Times, and Pantheism#Kabbalah.  IZAK, you ought to look things up before entertaining kneejerk reactions.  --Eequor 23:09, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Panentheism and pantheism 

message: Can someone explain the differences and similarities with Sufism and Kabbalah? (Regardless of which religion they originated from.)
Thanks
* kabbalah (or at least the jewish version) and sufism are both forms of mysticism, so that in itself is a similarity. i don't know as much about hermetic kabbalah, though i do know it's associated with hermetism and hermeticism, while jewish kabbalah is, of course, associated with judaism. Gringo300 21:24, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kabbalah and Sufism 

message: It seems that the whole Christian reception of the Kabbalah beginning in the Rennaisance is missing--I would have thought it would be in the section "Hermetic Kabbalah," but that section skates straight to Crowley (who gets far, far more ink than he deserves, in my opinion) and misses the whole story from the early 16C (not 18C, as the article says): Pico, Reuchlin, Agrippa etc. P. Riis 02:20, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you knowledgable in this area? Jayjg 02:02, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major gap 

message: I have added substantial text to the The_names_of_God_in_Judaism and needs some help in checking the text for accuracy. In particular my understanding of The_names_of_God_in_Judaism#Kabbalistic_use. Any help will be appreciated. --Zappaz 17:04, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit needed 

message: Modern historian Gershom Scholem (the most famous scholar and historian of Kabbalah in the twentieth century)...
This implies that Scholem is both the most famous scholar and the most famous historian of... century. He isn't universally considered the most famous scholar of Kabbalah in the twentieth century. Who says so, JTS? HKT 21:01, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Well, There is quite a bit you could elaborate on (such as hermetic kabbalah, christian kabbalah, etc) but I think the big problem with this page is how its organized. Concepts that originate by Isaac Luria is throw in general areas concerning kabbalah. Modern Hermetic things are thrown in other different categorizes then hermetic. I think It should probably be devided by Hasidic, Christian, Hermetic, Lurianic, and Judaic. With it being elaborated on each concept within those. Then when you run into mutual complying concepts. (like a hermetic adopting a hasidic idea saying "similar to the hasidim, the hermetic kabbalahists"). Because its current structure is almost unreadible.
Jaynus _Izanagi 21:07, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization 

message: *Kabbalah
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thread_title:  Why was this link removed? 

message: Why, in this article, are Crowley and Fortune "occultists" but Luria isn't?
They studied similar material. All, to various degrees, felt obligated to share certain information and keep secret (occult) certain other information.
Even the page on occult says the term is often used prejudicially.
Adistius 01:38, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occultist 

message: Frankly, I think this would benefit from a brief intro and then spliting into Jewish, Christian, Islamic, and Hermetic, each of which has its own unique views and approaches. Trying to cram it all onto one page causes things to get too crowded and confused. Especially when you get down to the links.
Adistius 01:42, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we split this page up? 

message: There is a reference in the article to Kabbalat Shabbat, which I think may be irrelevant to Kabbalah.  The overlap is etymological; the root means "welcoming" or "receiving".  The Kabbalat Shabbat service may have mystical connections, but I'm not sure they are Kabbalistic.
:Indeed. While the proponents of adding Kabbalat Shabbat to the service were Kabbalists (Moses Cordovero), it has no direct relationship. JFW | T@lk 21:36, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kabbalat Shabbat? 

message: *1000+ Qabala/Kabbalah Links
Revision as of 21:31, 19 June 2005
This is the largest (that I know of) collection of (edited) mainly Jewish-sourced Kabbalah links
on the net.  A similar external link seems to be tolerated in the Sefer Yetzirah article.
:It's a completely indiscriminate pile of links. Not worth the ASCII. I will remove similar links from Sefer Yetzirah. JFW | T@lk 01:26, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That page contains >1000 links, but without intelligible descriptions, without a system. Wikipedia is not a link directory, and that's policy. I'll ignore your personal attack for now, but please remain civil. JFW | T@lk 15:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was this link removed?