Talk:Global spread of H5N1

message: I have to take issue with the title, which I feel is just reinforcing the sensationalistic nature of the issue - while individual cases still make headlines, there is no "global spread" of a disease.  Perhaps "Global cases of H5N1" ? Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 03:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the focus of this article is the "Geographical spread of H5N1", so maybe that would be a good title? Awolf002 03:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems pretty global to me, spreading over most of asia, now into africa⇒ SWATJester  Ready  Aim  Fire! 17:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stuttering is also 'global', but we don't talk about the "Global spread of stuttering".  H5N1 makes the news for single isolated cases which often aren't able to be traced back to any others, and while they do exist around the world, they're not exactly "global".  People who speak Quenya are also all around the world, but again, we'd refer to its geographics, not its "global spread" Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 20:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:   H5N1 makes the news for single isolated cases which often aren't able to be traced back to any others, and while they do exist around the world, they're not exactly "global". is factually in error. WAS 4.250 21:06, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to provide evidence that all cases of H5N1 are traced to each other, or that this is a global epidemic, or whatever else.  Saying "na-uh, you're wrong" isn't really much of a debate Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 23:30, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find that the title and opening isn't really NPOV either as per Sherurcij's opening sentence. 85.145.148.191 23:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, it is pretty easy to find this evidence, for instance here. So, your comparisons are besides the point, I think. The H5N1 clade is spreading geographically, and that's what this article reports. Awolf002 23:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All the evidence necessary exists in the on line sources linked to in the H5N1 article's "Sources" section. The technical section of the "Further reading" section is also quite interesting. Read them, I have. I'm not going to spoon feed it to you (more than the H5N1 article already does). I suggest you begin with the on line book "The Threat of Pandemic Influenza: Are We Ready?" which was written by some of the best experts in the world and funded by the National Academy of Sciences. WAS 4.250 01:43, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: Since when was there infection in the uk? 129.31.72.190 12:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it is now a know fact that Robert is stinky 69.119.173.222 (talk) 23:57, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: UK

message: The world map] highlightning countries that was removed from this article, is shown on the H5N1 article still.
I agree with several comments made that it is too broad and can cause misconceptions. I have attempted an illustration on the spread
in Thailand with this map. Something like this can be constructed for each country perhaps. I am
not sure how you would display it on a global basis properly. Mceder 04:52, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Maps of human infections, by country?

message: I think something needs to be done with the first sentence of this article. It could be a paragraph; the information is bungled and confusing, the main point peppered with several parenthetical digressions. The information inside the parenthesis is necessary, but the way it is presented now makes the sentence itself loaded and difficult to follow.216.7.248.254 17:02, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loaded first sentence 

message: According to the map, Iraq has only has poultry cases of H5N1, but according to the chart, Iraq has had one human case. 24.91.9.206 23:06, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map/Chart 

message: "Tens of millions of birds have died of H5N1 influenza and hundreds of millions of birds have been slaughtered and disposed of to limit the spread of H5N1. Countries that have reported one or more major H5N1 outbreaks in birds are (in order of first outbreak occurrence): Korea, Vietnam, Japan, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, China, Malaysia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Turkey, Romania, Croatia, Ukraine, Cyprus, Iraq, Nigeria, Egypt, India. H5N1 has been found in birds in the wild in numerous other countries such as Austria, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iran, Italy, Kuwait, Slovenia. There have been, so far, no outbreaks in any non-bird species."
I am confused as of the basis for the two groups. Maybe to clarify a bit better criteria for countries with "a major outbreak" and the rest?
Major outbreak equal lots (like thousands to hundeds of millions of birds) dead from H5N1 or culling. A dead wild bird here or there is not in the same league. Egypt is in the middle, but since they only have known dead poultry who had to catch it from wild birds, undoubtedly there are many more dead birds in Egypt than the official count. It's a rough attempt to seperate major versus minor. WAS 4.250 23:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not exactly a clear criteria. A clear criteria might be to list those in which a major cull has occured (okay "major" cull) is still not clear.--ZayZayEM (talk) 00:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two groups of countries 

message: "H5N1 in China and Hong Kong in this and later periods is less than fully reported. For example WHO records an H5N1 death in Hong Kong in 2003 but inconsistently. "An outbreak of atypical pneumonia occurred between November 2002 and February 2003 in Guandong province, China. Health authorities in China investigated the outbreak and identified Chlamydia pneumoniae as the causitive agent. The Ministry of Health in Beijing has informed WHO that the outbreak in Guandong is over and that there is no evidence of a link between the outbreak in Guandong and the H5N1 cases in Hong Kong SAR." [7] "
This part regarding the 2002/2003 case in China/Hong Kong is inaccurate. First, the victim was a boy returning to Hong Kong after visiting the Fujian province in mainland China, not the Guangdong province as suggested by the article. The quoted Guangdong cases were more likely referring to Sars, a new virus that was identified a few months later, not H5N1, so there is something mixed up in here.  Finally, the claim that the case was not reported is not true either: it was reported by Hong Kong, which is a separate WHO member on her own.
I removed that part for these reason.
Reference  http://www.who.int/csr/don/2003_07_04/en/
===The full report I quoted a part of===
Influenza A(H5N1) in Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of China – Update 2
27 February 2003
Disease Outbreak Reported
As of 27 February no further cases of human influenza A(H5N1) have been reported in Hong Kong SAR (see previous report). To date the current outbreak of influenza A(H5N1) in Hong Kong SAR has been limited to two cases, one of whom has died. Both cases were members of the same family who returned to their home in Hong Kong SAR on 8 February after travelling to Fujian province, China. The mother and children were in mainland China for 14 days; the father for 9 days.
The father of the family (a 33 year old man) developed respiratory symptoms on 7 February whilst in Fujian Province, China. He was admitted to hospital in Hong Kong SAR on 11 February with pneumonia but died on 17 February. Influenza A (H5N1) was isolated from post-mortum specimens on 20 February. The man´s 9 year old son also became unwell whilst in Fujian province. He was admitted to hospital in Hong Kong SAR on 12 February with pneumonia. Influenza A (H5N1) was isolated from two nasopharageal aspirates taken from the boy on 19 February. The boy is in a stable condition. Additional family members have also had respiratory symptoms. The boy’s 8 year old sister died on 4 February whilst the family was in Fujian Province, China. The cause of her death is under investigation. The mother has now recovered from what was thought to have been a parainfluenza infection.
An outbreak of atypical pneumonia occurred between November 2002 and February 2003 in Guandong province, China. Health authorities in China investigated the outbreak and identified Chlamydia pneumoniae as the causitive agent. The Ministry of Health in Beijing has informed WHO that the outbreak in Guandong is over and that there is no evidence of a link between the outbreak in Guandong and the H5N1 cases in Hong Kong SAR.
The Department of Health in Hong Kong SAR has intensified its surveillance for influenza among patients with influenza-like symptoms or atypical pneumonia. No unusual increase in influenza activity has been detected over the past few weeks.
WHO is continuing to work closely with health authorities in Beijing, China and Hong Kong SAR. Reagents for laboratory diagnosis of influenza A(H5N1) have been made available to the Ministry of Health in Beijing, the National Influenza Centres and to other members of the WHO Global Influenza Surveillance Network.  WAS 4.250 13:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  China / Hong Kong case in winter 2002/2003 

message: Influenza A(H5N1) in Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of China – Update 2
27 February 2003
Disease Outbreak Reported
As of 27 February no further cases of human influenza A(H5N1) have been reported in Hong Kong SAR (see previous report). To date the current outbreak of influenza A(H5N1) in Hong Kong SAR has been limited to two cases, one of whom has died. Both cases were members of the same family who returned to their home in Hong Kong SAR on 8 February after travelling to Fujian province, China. The mother and children were in mainland China for 14 days; the father for 9 days.
The father of the family (a 33 year old man) developed respiratory symptoms on 7 February whilst in Fujian Province, China. He was admitted to hospital in Hong Kong SAR on 11 February with pneumonia but died on 17 February. Influenza A (H5N1) was isolated from post-mortum specimens on 20 February. The man´s 9 year old son also became unwell whilst in Fujian province. He was admitted to hospital in Hong Kong SAR on 12 February with pneumonia. Influenza A (H5N1) was isolated from two nasopharageal aspirates taken from the boy on 19 February. The boy is in a stable condition. Additional family members have also had respiratory symptoms. The boy’s 8 year old sister died on 4 February whilst the family was in Fujian Province, China. The cause of her death is under investigation. The mother has now recovered from what was thought to have been a parainfluenza infection.
An outbreak of atypical pneumonia occurred between November 2002 and February 2003 in Guandong province, China. Health authorities in China investigated the outbreak and identified Chlamydia pneumoniae as the causitive agent. The Ministry of Health in Beijing has informed WHO that the outbreak in Guandong is over and that there is no evidence of a link between the outbreak in Guandong and the H5N1 cases in Hong Kong SAR.
The Department of Health in Hong Kong SAR has intensified its surveillance for influenza among patients with influenza-like symptoms or atypical pneumonia. No unusual increase in influenza activity has been detected over the past few weeks.
WHO is continuing to work closely with health authorities in Beijing, China and Hong Kong SAR. Reagents for laboratory diagnosis of influenza A(H5N1) have been made available to the Ministry of Health in Beijing, the National Influenza Centres and to other members of the WHO Global Influenza Surveillance Network.  WAS 4.250 13:13, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The full report I quoted a part of

message: Please identify why this was deleted. All it does is quote reputable sources to provide evidence for the preceding paragraph. Do you think the source is not reputable? do you think the quotes are inaccurate? Do you think the quotes are irrelevant to the preceding paragraph? WAS 4.250 19:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Further comments

message: clicky
Be bold. If you have a bit of news backed up with evidence, feel free to edit the page. :) Info added. -Peter 18:00, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poland detects first case of H5 birdflu 

message: I think the length of this article is of little consequence at the moment (as it is covering a current event), but we will want to make up some plans on how we will be able to shorten up the article in the future. Making the article usable to people will have to come in the future, and planning about it now will make the transition later much easier. Thoughts? Obviously, this should not draw away from the more immediate concern of gathering the information. -Peter 18:00, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Length of article

message: The fourth paragraph is cluttered, I suggest either adding a section with the list, or creating a page entitles List of countries with H5N1. Zreeon 23:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: so what you're saying is once it spreads to North and South America then it's global?  There's still Australia and most of Africa as well that haven't been affected.  Perhaps it would be better to make a new article with a list of all the countries which have been affected by the H5N1 virus? -- Sarz 03:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: that was my point. Currently, the article is getting too cluttered in that paragraph to be of any real use. Zreeon 04:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Countries with H5N1

message: How much of a difference is there between this and sars? is there a way to see it on microscope? - unsigned
:there is a very very big difference between this and sars. yes, there is a way to see it on microscope. WAS 4.250 12:16, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure? I don't know much about either virus but I would assume both are too small to see under an optical microscope, as with most viruses. Obviously they can be visualised under an electron microscope but I would assume unsigned is thinking of an optical microscope Nil Einne 14:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: SARS

message: Cat flu simptoms most commonly include-
*Indigestion,
*Loss of apititite
*A high tempture,
*Depression,
*A runny nose,
*Some eye disorders,  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.53.147 (talk) 11:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
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message: The statement below is untrue:
"As of the July 25, 2008 FAO Avian Influenza Disease Emergency Situation Update, H5N1 pathogenicity is continuing to gradually rise in wild birds in endemic areas but the avian influenza disease situation in farmed birds is being held in check by vaccination."
The update does not mention wild birds specifically, but instead says that:
"HPAI H5N1 pathogenicity (including clades 2.3.2 and 2.3.4 circulating in the Red River basin and presumably imported from China, as well as the clade 1 virus that has prevailed in the Mekong delta since early 2004) seems to be rising gradually."
Note that the report mentions that no new cases of HPAI H5N1 had been found in wild birds by the time of the report, i.e in any case it would have been impossible to determine how the pathogenicity is developing in wild birds.Uad473 (talk) 21:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some experts are convinced it is endemic in wild birds due to a lot of evidence; while other experts believe that if the strain can be wiped out in farmed birds, then it will extinguish itself (burn out) in wild birds. Apparently there is no conclusive proof either way, but preventive measures are being taken assuming it is endemic in wild birds - just in case it is. There is a lot of expert disagreement with regards to H5N1. For example some experts are convinced that no H5 virus strain can become pandemic; others see that this strain has already done things thought to be impossible for a flu strain and so keep an open mind; others say they don't care as the H5 can be replaced by H1 and possibly retain it deadliness while acquiring human to human transmissibility. WAS 4.250 (talk) 02:55, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pathogenicity in wild birds 

message: Per section header - I would change it myself but I realize there are many editors here, and don't want to make such a big change without consensus.  -- Scray (talk) 04:44, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't this article's title (and lead sentence) contain the word "flu" or "influenza"? 

message: Secret Weapons Program/ Iran:
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message: Inasmuch as it's mostly timeline, should this article be renamed H5N1 Timeline or Timeline of H5N1 Global Spread or some such?  kencf0618 (talk) 13:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline Reboot? 

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