Talk:HC Litvínov

message: Many single sentence player stub articles have been created. It seems there's one for each member of the 2010/11 squad. Mr X (born January 01, 1900) is a Czech professional ice hockey player. He played with HC Litvínov in the Czech Extraliga during the 2010–11 Czech Extraliga season. See for example Robin Hanzl, Juraj Majdan, and Frantisek Gerhat. There are 16 such articles that were all created around the same time and by the same user. The only claim to notability is that they played for HC Litvínov in the 2010/11 season. That does meet one criteria of WP:NHOCKEY, which makes them "presumably" notable. I recommend that these player's pages by merged into this article, or maybe another article; say HC Litvínov 2010/11 squad. — Fly by Night (talk) 14:45, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Standalone articles can be created as and when the subjects achieve sufficient notability to warrant more than a one sentence stub. The simple addition of a Wiki-link would ensure inter-article coherency. As WP:MERGE says, one rationale for a merger is "If a page is very short and is unlikely to be expanded within a reasonable amount of time…". I can't see these articles being expanded within the next few years. — Fly by Night (talk) 16:21, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, this is a byproduct of Dolovis' obsession with creating large quantities of crap.  He's been asked to take the time to build articles that are actually of value on numerous occasions, but that is obviously a futile request.  Merging to the team article is not very effective as some of the players will have played for other teams in the past, and they will play for other teams in the future.  So as time moves forward, such a merge would introduce a wide variety of inaccuracies. Of course, time will do that anyway as I very much doubt anyone will maintain any more than a tiny fraction of these creations.  It's a no-win situation.  I'd personally support deletion, but too many people hold project guidelines like NHOCKEY as gospel, so that's not a guaranteed solution either.  In the end, we are left with a giant mess and no easy way to clean it up. Resolute 04:20, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Additionally, a merge is pointless as there is virtually no content to merge.  One could just build a roster page and redirect everything.  Over time as players move to other teams and leagues, and assuming anyone cares enough to look it over, simply take all of the redirects to RfD since there would be no obvious target. Resolute 04:23, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So when does the point come that we can take affirmative action? WP:NHOCKEY does not say that these players are notable, it says that they are "presumably notable", which is subtly different (presumably: likely though not known for certain). It means that it is possible to argue that they are not notable. Can we put this to a larger  group, something like an RfC? Something needs to be done about this stub-spam. I've pleaded with him to focus on quality and not quantity on more than one occasion. The first ocasion was met with a murmor and then a flurry of stub-spam, then the second time he just ignored me and carried on churning out more stub-spam. He also claims not to know what article creation tools are… — Fly by Night (talk) 04:36, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: An RfC might be best hosted at WT:HOCKEY since at this point, we are talking about hundreds of articles.  WP:N might be a better spot though, as it would have higher visibility.  Resolute 04:41, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

text: What's the time limit? GoodDay (talk) 17:06, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The phrase "a reasonable amount of time" is up to interpretation. However, I would say that after six weeks without a single word of expansion we have passed a reasonable amount of time. I know that the articles in question haven't been up for six weeks but Dolovis's edit history sets a precedent and gives a very strong indication that they are "unlikely to be expanded within a reasonable amount of time". After all, why won't these 16 articles follow the same path as the other dozens and dozens of untouched and forgotten one line stubs that he has made? You might think that he will expand them himself, but he has ignored multiple pleas to expand his articles. — Fly by Night (talk) 17:13, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm partial to the existance of these stubs as they've no diacritics/accent marks in their titles. GoodDay (talk) 17:16, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, I don't see how that's relevant. — Fly by Night (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If these stubs had dios in their titles, I'd likely support a merge. GoodDay (talk) 17:22, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand what diacritics are; I just don't understand what the presence or absence of them has to do with the content of the article itself. — Fly by Night (talk) 17:24, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Their presence or absence, is what's determining my stance here. If those stubs had dios in their titles, I'd agree to merge them with HC Litvinov. GoodDay (talk) 17:31, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

text: If after a determined period of time, these stubs haven't been expanded substantially? then merging is required. GoodDay (talk) 15:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

text: * Thank you for making the expansion. I will remove the merge template from that article. There were many interesting facts about that player that Dolovis had not attempted to add. However, just because one or two are of sufficient value, does not mean that the other few hundred are. Dolovis has created an article for almost every player that played in the Czech Extraliga. — Fly by Night (talk) 14:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Player Mergers