Talk:Advent/Archive 1

message: When is it advent? This year the fourth sunday in december is the 24th. Is this the 4. advent sunaday as well ? (Anonymouns wikipedia user)
:December 24 can be the Fourth Sunday of Advent, so yes.  Christmas Eve doesn't actually start until sunset.  
:An easy way to know when it starts is that Advent is always the Sunday closest to November 30 - the Feast of St. Andrew, who is called "The First-Called Apostle." Carlo (talk) 22:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Advent Can start on 3 different dates, advent Sunday always being the closest one to the 30th of November. Its depends whether its year A,B,or C. There are four sundays celebrating advent,the fifth is Christmas sunday. hannah (talk) 09:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone fancy working on WikiProject Christian liturgical year? Gareth Hughes 10:53, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply

message: Why is there nothing in the article about the themes of advent?216.21.142.16 21:39, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Traditionally, John the Baptist features prominently in the gospel readings, hymns and prayers of Advent. His Advent role is that of forerunner, preparing the way for the Messiah. This ties in also with the focus on the baptism of Jesus celebrated in Epiphany. --Gareth Hughes 17:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advent themes 

message: The part about blue coming from the Sarum rite appears to be false:
http://cantuar.blogspot.com/2005/12/liturgical-colors-in-sarum-rite.html
The Sarum Rite color for Advent was black, not blue.]]
The confusion comes from the fact that the color is called "Sarum Blue."  But WHY is it called Sarum Blue?  Supposedly, it originated in Salisbury Cathedral, and Salisbury's ancient name was "Sarum."  It's still called that.  It's also the tradition color in the West of the garb of the Virgin Mary (She wears red in Eastern Art - and odd distinction between Eastern and Western Christianity.) (unsigned User:Cfortunato)
added signature Dominick (TALK) 14:29, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sarum rite colors 

message: How can links to Fish Eaters be "spam"? americancatholic.org - run by St. Anthony Messenger Press, a private company -- is linked to repeatedly. (Same with catholic.com, another private company) Wikipedia is their second biggest referrer according to Alexa (same with catholic.com). Where else will you get the information at the Lent section of that site you keep taking down? What is the deal here? Traditional Catholics are the ones who INVENTED Advent! Malachias111 14:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Fisheaters has been prolifically linkspammed into Wikipedia.  Before Christmas I removed it from over a hundred articles.  As far as I can tell it has no provable authority.  I asked about that on the traditionalist catholic article and got lots of arm-waving and no hard evidence - I am ill-disposed to give linkspammers a free pass, especially since the "one or two" areticles which some suggested might be appropriate has once again as of this evening turned into rather a lot more than one or two.  The "traditionalist catholic" viewpoint is pretty much 100% irrelevant to a general article on Advent. Malachias knows my view on all this. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C]  AfD? 01:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fish Eaters 

message: I deleted the comments but I do not know if anything was deleted from the article by the offending party.  Could someone please check and make sure that all of the information on Advent is still here?vashsunglasses 02:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This had pornographic comments put on it. 

message: Christians today endure as they await the second coming of Jesus. has been changed to 'Christ' -- seeing as Christians are not waiting for 'Jesus of Nazareth' to return. They are waiting for The Christ.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nalco (talk • contribs) 22:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction 

message: I cannot edit The page Concerning 'Advent' because i am a new user
when will i be able to?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanjay09 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's usually about three or four days. What edit would you like to make? —Angr If you've written a quality article... 05:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The protection was due to expire in a few hours from now anyway, so I took it off early. Happy editing, and be sure to cite your sources so that everything you add is verifiable as not being original research! —Angr If you've written a quality article... 14:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Help!

message: Article currently reads:"Latin adventus is the translation of the Greek word parousia, commonly used in reference to the Second Coming. Christians believe that the season of Advent serves a dual reminder of the original waiting that was done by the Hebrews for the birth of their Messiah as well as the waiting that Christians today endure as they await the second coming of Christ."As it stands, this is IMHO arguably POV in the phrasing "the original waiting that was done by the Hebrews for the birth of their Messiah" (i.e., something in the past tense.) (Many) Jews in the centuries after Jesus continued to wait for the coming of Mashiach, and many continue to do so today (see Messiah, Jewish messianism, Judaism's view of Jesus).Therefore, I question whether the past tense is appropriate here. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 20:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Waiting for the Messiah" in the past tense

message: Maybe it's the time of year, but this innocent little page seems to be suffering from the persistent attention of a bunch of idiots (or one idiot operating from a bunch of IPs).  I think it might be a good idea to protect it for a bit, till they get tired and go and play elsewhere.  Does anyone object, i.e. is anyone planning doing any serious editing here in the next few days/weeks?  seglea (talk) 22:28, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No-one protested, so I have put light protection on. seglea (talk) 13:38, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

text: It depends what sort of thing you want, but for a wide range of Christian resources, try The Text This Week at   seglea (talk) 21:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Troll attack

message: I think the main article is slightly off in its assertion that dark blue is the liturgical color for the Advent season within the churches of the Anglican Communion.  The Ordo Kalendar on my wall definitely shows violet for Advent, and most Episcopal Churches in the U.S. still use violet as they have done for many years.  On the back of the Kalendar, in the subsection "The Liturgical Colors," one reads that violet, symbolic of penitence and expectatation, is used in the seasons of Advent and Lent.  Rose, for penitence permeated with joy, may be used on the Third Sunday of Advent and the Fourth Sunday in Lent.  Blue, in the lighter shades, is sometimes used on feasts of the Blessed Virgin, but in the darker shades of indigo, blue is frequently used during Advent.  The dark Sarum Blue for Advent is an optional color and, to date, I would venture to say that violet is used during Advent far more frequently than dark blue, at least in the U.S.A.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ToddABearSF (talk • contribs) 06:33, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dark Blue for Advent in the Anglican Communion

message: It would be helpful to have a brief history of the development of Advent in this article. There is a nice summary available for copying at the Catholic Encyclopedia. I propose to insert it into the article. Rwflammang (talk) 20:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Copying = plagarism. If you would like to add this information, you would need to paraphrase, that is, rewrite in your own words and then cite the source. Prtwhitley (talk) 05:47, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Copying certainly is not the same thing as plagiarism. The Catholic Encyclopedia is public domain. I will do as I proposed when I have some time. Rwflammang (talk) 13:10, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think it's advisable to copy. It would be better to use it as a source and create a summary instead. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:23, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: There are entire paragraphs that are unreferenced. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:28, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still needs more references 

message: For the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, blue is not an option for Advent.  According to The General Instruction of the Roman Missal (the Vatican document that governs liturgical colors among many other liturgical matters): "The color violet or purple is used in Advent and Lent." (#346.d) The color blue is not given as an option for any liturgical occasion.XChuckr (talk) 17:54, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You should add that information. It may be that blue is the colour in another tradition. Tag that colour as needing a reference. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:26, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roman Catholic color for advent is not blue