Talk:Bullet Rogan

message: The Hall of Fame shows Rogan with a birthdate of 1889, but this is in dispute by Negro Leagues researchers including Phil Dixon, whose works are cited here as a source.  Rogan shows up on the 1900 census (as Charles W. Rogan) in Oklahoma Co., Oklahoma Territory with his father and younger brother at six years of age with a birth date of July 1893. He shows up on the 1910 census in Kansas City, KS with his father, step-mother, brother, and two half-siblings, aged 17 (the writing in this census record is highly cursive, and his name appears to be "Wilbern", which is the only reference to that phantom "n" in his name).
In 1920, he showed up twice, once with the 25th Infantry in Nogales, AZ and at the Jefferson Barracks in St. Louis, MO; it is assumed that he was most likely in St. Louis, as he was discharged from there later the same year, and that he was just listed on the roster with his old unit and was accidentally recorded in the census as being there as well (it's definitely the same guy, and the census records were two days apart).  In Arizona, he is listed as 27 years old, while in St. Louis, he is listed as 30; this is the first record in which his birth date shows the earlier date.  His 1930 census record (in Kansas City, MO) shows him as 36.  He did not register for the WW1 draft, already being in the Army, but he did register in the "old men's draft" for WW2, and gave his age to indicate an earlier birth year.  This is the most commonly cited source for the 1889 birth year; one has to ask, however, if it's more likely to make that three-year mistake when a child is nine (calling him six) or when a man is 49 (calling him 52).
Vital stats on Negro League players is still sketchy, and as more data becomes available, they are being updated.  The Hall has codified several mistakes before, including incorrectly listing Pete Hill's first name.  If Rogan's birthdate is maintained at 1889, it should at least be noted that latest research disputes that finding.  -- Couillaud (talk) 15:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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message: :File:24th Infantry Charles Wilbur Rogan in the Philippines at Camp 3.jpg features a Browning M1917 machine gun, and it couldn't have been photographed in 1911-1914 when Rogan served in the Philippines. Might it be a later recreation? Ain92 (talk) 11:11, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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