Talk:Poetry/Archive 1

message: I've rewritten the first paragraph as an attempt at clarifying what it is that distinguishes poetry from other forms of writing. Please feel free to edit further. --Filiocht
The statement that, to quote the article: 'Today, English writers of poetry seldom use rhyme as this to the English ear often signifies humor.' is, I think, very contentious. Would you say that rhyme as used by Heaney or the new American formalist poets is humorous? I may attempt to rewrite the paragraph on rhyme if time allows. Filiocht 13:45, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: An Overhaul in Progress

message: What's the categorization scheme of these series? It certainly doesn't include poetry from all the major countries and cultures in the world. It's also a bad idea to leave self links and to link to the middle of an article. The section links should only be done within an article. --Jiang 17:38, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Jiang.  Perhaps it should be made into multiple series.  I know linking to section headers from external articles is frowned upon, though I don't mind it -- might be better in any case to move those lists to their own articles, thus removing any need to link to a section header.
Some thoughts on organizing:
*Would it make sense to make a series for each region (e.g. Eastern European poetry vs. Western European poetry vs. East Asian poetry)?  Poetry could then link to pages describing each of these broad regions and including the series table for the individual countries (I know the current state of information may make this unusable -- is it good in theory?)
*If so, Poetry could contain links to the sub-series on the cultural regions of poetry articles, as well as links to parent articles for sub-series on verse forms and movements.
As people write the articles, I'll add them. I can't do it all and time spent talking here would be better spent on the missing nations. I'm currently working i=on improving English poetry. Frankly, working on poetry here is a lonely business. Most of the pages I've created have nothing on the talk pages that I didn't put there. Filiocht 09:50, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poetry "series" 

message: Unless someone can line-by-line highlight the techniques exemplified in the Pope quote, I can't see what it is adding to the article. It assumes a knowledge, rather than providing information. Filiocht 15:23, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Pope Quote

message: Which poet was the one who created the most poems in the world?
Anon Filiocht 11:22, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poetry 

message: I'm thinking the following should be changed:
:"As it is created using language, poetry tends to use formal linguistic units like phrases, sentences and paragraphs. In addition, it uses units of organisation that are purely poetic. The main units that are used are the line, the couplet, the strophe, the stanza, and the verse paragraph."
Here's a draft:
:"Compared with prose, poetry depends less on the linguistic units of sentences and paragraphs, and more on units of organisation that are purely poetic. The typical structural elements are the line, couplet, strophe, stanza, and verse paragraph." Maurreen 17:39, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Poetry and form

message: I added both the Chinese and Korean links, but after reading the discussion here, I think maybe they should be removed.  Kdammers 12:54, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Nationalities

message: What's the difference between a poem, a lyric and a song OR what's the difference between a poet, lyricist and songwriter ? I understand that lyrics and songs are meant to be sung. Can a poem be written with the same purpose ? Jay 19:46, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Poems, lyrics and songs

message: :Love poems proliferate now, in weblogs and personal pages, as a new way of expression and liberty of hearts, "I have won many female relations with this valid resource", has said a contemporaneus writer called Federic P. Sabeloteur.
Not sure that this is neutral POV or adds a great deal to a general overview of poetry. Smerdis of Tlön 16:38, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving some POV text to talk 

message: List of verse forms now lists something not clearly defined and rather neglected, overlapping with lists in the Poetry article. What the heck is "verse form"? It redirects to Poetry, which does not define it. mikka (t) 23:48, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from List of verse forms 

message: I just noticed the following link added: 
# Scriberazone Ezine of contemporary poetry from around the world - submissions welcome.
Along with some other links, this made me think we need to trim the external links -- wikipedia is not a web directory. I'm not sure what the basis for cutting should be... it looks like many/most of the links could be cut as self-promotion/web-directory-ification of a wikipedia article. Do others disagree or should we start cutting? Tom
I agree, and wd have done so before- but people get touchy. I just removed all those with blatant calls for submissions, and commercial sites, as well as minor ethnic poem sites. The rest of the sites I Googled, and are either major orgs, or highly referenced sites on Google, with classic poems, and or essays on verse- i.e.- educational value. Also put in alpha order. Iago Dali 19:26, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links need trimming? 

message: 나가 둘개이 ([ [ 시 ] ] 인 어떤 상자안에 다만 그루 터기 큰 부품안에 각 다른 사람을 중복한 기피할 수 있던) 방법 의 생각하기 수 없었기 때문에, ==은 나가 다만 [ [ 시 ] ] 여 기서 방향을 고친 ==을 방향을 고친다. [ [ 시 ] ] 네덜란드 Gedicht " '에 " pedia's 기사에 interlanguage 연결을 가졌다 - 그것을 둠것이 여기서 최선 성냥 이거나, " 시 "보다 는 " 시 "에 네덜란드 기사 오히려 있으면 나는 모른다. 누군 가는 저것을 검사하고. -- [[User:CamembertCamembert ] ] ---
: I think we need to find a translation...? --AySz88^-^ 05:19, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Some Korean comment?