Talk:List of amateur radio organizations

message: Under the US, I've added a list of the states so that the clubs can be alphabetically listed under their state.  This also eleiminates the need for a lot of repetitive text saying "this is an amateur radio club in transyvlanaia", etc. GCW50 15:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Organization

message: After much thought, this is article isn't such a good idea. It's just a list and as such, the wikipedia would be better served by individual articles about clubs all in a category. The list here gets hard to manage instantly upon anyone touches and is ripe for abuse. Merging this article with the category would solve all these problems at once. Anonym1ty 18:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no it's a brilliant idea (check who created the article).  Why?  Because it keeps it all out of the main Amateur radio article!  Remember what that article looked like a few months back prior to the recent serious cleanup?  All kinds of unrelated crap.  There is, as noted, an category.  Fine for clubs with articles but it doesn't solve the apparent need of everyone who's ever been in a club to add their (external) link to something.  This article serves that need without cluttering up something important.  Brilliant, IMHO.  :-)  --N5UWY/9 - plaws 20:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Removed Merge Anonym1ty 17:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Rather than fill this page up with a lot of outside links, why not make an article about your Amateur radio club or organization, or expand its existing article? Not only can it still be listed here, but also in Category:Amateur radio organizaion.  
===See also===
notes below  for info on using a template. Anonym1ty 17:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Make articles for your club!

message: notes below  for info on using a template. Anonym1ty 17:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: See also

message: *Oh my, this article needs some cleaning! Andrewjuren 00:03, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I was wondering, since ARES is part of ARRL, should it really be listed as a separate club?  Rjairam 18:38, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think yes. This is a list of amateur radio organizations, and to my knowledge, ARES and ARRL are not equivalent, so they should be considered seperately. Andrewjuren(talk) 01:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But ARES is an arm of ARRL, not an entirely separate organization.  Sometimes it may act as a separate organization, and membership is not limited to ARRL members, however, it is tightly intertwined within the ARRL structure. In fact, anyone holding office in ARES has to be an ARRL member. Perhaps it would be better if ARES were placed under ARRL as a sub-organization of ARRL?  As it is now, no one would know that ARES and ARRL are related, unless they go to the article itself.Ryan 13:29, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ARES and the ARRL

message: The link http://www.slarc.org.uk/ goes to somewhere totally unassociated. But I agree, this page is rather a mess.
Dsergeant 09:55, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Great Britain - South Lancashire Amateur Radio Club

message: As per the qualification on the keep decision for the recent AfD vote, I'm starting to convert over the list to an article list (mostly redlinks) with external links as a note afterward.  My time is going to be limited for the next couple of weeks so anyone else with time is welcome (make that encouraged) to lend a hand.  Feel free to adjust the format if you think you have something better. --StuffOfInterest 02:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My interpretation of the qualified keep decision is that the external links (to each clubs website) are only permitted to ensure notability. I think it would be better if the link were shown as a single number, such as  rather than with the word "website", as in website. Andrewjuren(talk) 04:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It makes little difference, unless you are a older person, as (generally) radio operators tend to be. I just feel website looks much more esthetically pleasing than leaving it to the default numbering. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 05:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to reformat the list 

message: Before making these deletions, I wanted to first bring the matter up for discussion. 
RACES (under US) is not an amateur radio organization, but rather, a separate US governmental radio service that utilizes amateur radio operators and amateur frequencies during times of disaster. Ditto, MARS, the Military Affiliate Radio System depends upon amateur radio operators but is a separate radio service. 
Unless I hear otherwise, I will revisit this page in 7-10 days and remove the two aforementioned entries.
-Ptemples K9HI  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ptemples (talk • contribs) 21:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-amateur organizations--delete? 

message: The tone of the intro is clearly involved and promotional, plus the external links in the article do not follow the external links WP:EL guidelines. Wikipedia is NOT a collection of links nor is it an instrument to promote amateur radio organizations. A major cleanup is in order, but I don't have the expertise to do it.--Boffob (talk) 13:35, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I have taken the initiative. My work in Wikipedia involves restructuring egregious and unrepresentable articles like this. I have removed the external links tag because we're now OK in that area. I have also removed the  tag. I am guessing that was placed because of the promotional tone? Anyhow, the article is closer to what we're trying to accomplish. E_dog95'   Hi ' 22:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality and other issues

message: Many organizations listed here are also national organizations listed in the International Amateur Radio Union article. It will be better if the IARU is listed here as an international organization, and that only non-members of the IARU (and of other international or notable umbrella associations) are listed here. The former, possibly, will all be notable enough to have their own articles eventually. There are problems with this list, as it is, for example, a major association like the Radio Club of America, possibly the oldest amateur radio organization in the U.S., and about as old as they exist in the world, isn't listed, but local clubs of no particular notability are, and some of them even have their own articles, with only self-published sourcing. That isn't stable, and it will be better if we retract those articles back to listing here, assuming that even that can be justified. There must be some independent source for it, and self-publication is not adequate, there must be independent recognition. I'm proposing working in this direction, comments? --Abd (talk) 19:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundancy in this list. 

message: Making header to discuss the splitting of Catalonia from Spain in this article, to keep discussion centralized. I don't think it should be done, they're all listed by country unless I'm mistaken, and it clearly specifies that Catalonia is an autonomous region of Spain, which I believe is the case. Views, especially from the ips that wanted it changed, are welcome :) Notifying the users involved. Snowolf How can I help? 17:17, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The IP has done it again, in spite of all the warnings and invitations to discuss the mater. It's time for AGF to stop and punitive corrective action to begin. Could someone please repair the article again. Roger (talk) 18:10, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, the IP didn't enter into discussion, and has been temporarily blocked  - and yes, I removed the change. Chzz  ►  18:15, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry, but you have no right to have information added to Wikipedia removed. When you submitted your information, you granted Wikipedia the information transmitted irrevocably: By clicking the "Save Page" button, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL. You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license. Also, you say it yourself: "within the Spanish state". Q.E.D. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:49, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

text: In reply to the IP: Hello Sir, nation and country are two different concept, and nobody here is arguing about whether Catalonia is a nation or not. Just, as at the moment it is an autonomous region of Spain, and the list is by country. There was many cases like this around the world :) Seriously, don't worry, we're not even debating whether Catalonia is a nation, being part of another country hardly is relevant to that, just as being a nation is irrelevant here :) Cheers, Snowolf How can I help? 16:53, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catalonia 

message: I believe we should only allow entries in the list that already have articles. An exception can be made for national organisations that officially represent a country at the IARU. Roger (talk) 16:52, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: I believe that only organisations that are genuinely significant at a national level should be included here. The "and local" part of the heading is currently simply an invitation for any random 5-member hicksville club to be added. The bar to entry here is set far too low, it allows this article to turn into a cruft collection. Categories take care of the "directory of all ham club articles" role, this article does not need to duplicate that function. Roger (talk) 17:04, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose removing "and local" from the list heading