Talk:Grado Labs

message: The article mentions that Joseph Grado was inducted in the Audio Hall of Fame in 1982. Can anybody specify what this 'Audio Hall of Fame' is (what organization/association administers the induction)?Yavrey (est vrai) 00:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is Audio Hall of Fame? 

message: NPOV does not mean unbiased, but that the article takes a neutral point of view. The oppinion of "phono cartridges" is attributed to audiophiles, so I think it's NPOV. Maybe I'm wrong on this? Reub2000 21:49, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think that someone who has a high regard of audiology and psychoacoustics should also test out Grado's headphones as well, as Grado's Headphones often uses the Supra-Aural Form Factor.  I really think Grado needs to start making Circumaural Headphones IMO. — Mark Kim (Reply/Start Talk) 23:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: After going over the article over and over again, I feel that the article's lack of neutrality is the problem, and at my discretion, I have thus decided that this article needs to be fixed a bit in order to be a bit more neutral, as it's too much goes in detail regarding about Grado's headphones.  Some audiophile who has high praise with these headphones started out this article—apparently it's coming to a point where it's lacking too much neutrality, so I'm gonna have to state it as not being neutral completely. — Mark Kim (Reply/Start Talk) 15:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel that for some reason, the article has been written by some audiophile who had too much praise with Grado's headphones.  I really am worried about this as this article just seems to be pro-Grado rather than a neutral article.  That is why I have issues with this article, since it currently overly praises the Grado headphones as a whole. — Mark Kim (Reply/Start Talk) 20:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion the article is now fairly good as far as NPOV goes except where it says "which year after year won many awards and accolades from many audio publishing groups and the like, namely Stereophile magazine.". It would be better if someone mentioned actual awards they've won rather than just claiming they they win awards year after year. Thats my main criticism as of right now --Hugzz 09:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Escalated article to Condition 2 

message: I've already deployed the tables for all domestically-made Grado headphones.  I'm gonna hold up on the fancier Grado Headphones (Grado novelties) until I can see what I can do about the notes, since notes can be a big pest to work with. — Mark Kim (Reply/Start Talk) 00:55, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tables 

message: The suggested move makes perfect sense.  —User
*Agreed, but I need more users to agree with the move to Grado Labs before it commences. — The Evil in Everyone (U * T/R * CTD) 16:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: I moved the article and hopefully, I wikilink-fixed all possible "things" at the article's "What Links Here" link.  If there are any more bugs, please direct any attention-grabbing bugs directly to me.  Thanx. — Vesther (U * T/R * CTD) 19:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move complete

message: There is a picture tour of Grado Labs on the net, not sure if it is something you all want to add.
http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/271/grado-labs-facility-tour  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jethro2234 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facility Tour 

message: I'm adding a fact tag to the cite about "Audio Hall of Fame". What Audio Hall of Fame is this talking about? I can't find any such Hall or any organization that put Grado on this specific list of honorees, and I've been looking for it for a month. The closest I've come to finding out who honored Grado in 1982 was a past magazine editor who pointed me to Richard Ekstract and the now-defunct magazine Audio Times, where I found no further information one way or another. 
I would like to have the Audio Hall of Fame defined before the cite can stay. Binksternet (talk) 03:31, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hall of Fame cite removed. If anybody ever finds out which Hall of Fame was being referred to, we can add the cite back in. Binksternet (talk) 23:31, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Audio Hall of Fame

message: I just reverted a new image that had a less viewable GRADO name. Binksternet (talk) 23:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Grado Image I added is better than the current photos. Yes, it has a shallow depth of field.  I also have other Grado iGrado images I'd like to see replace the current iGrado images.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Canon50Dshooter (talk • contribs) 02:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I hear you saying you think your images are better than the current one. 'Better' is a subjective state--I like the current image for its clarity of the GRADO LABS casting in the plastic headphones housing. Your image of the SR-125 is okay but what the article needs is a lot more attention given to references and neutral wording that doesn't sound like a product brochure. I can't see how a few more images will help the article as much as digging in and making it more hard-edged and encyclopedic. Binksternet (talk) 03:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image change 

message: I'm all for putting criticism in the article, believe me. However, paragraphs of criticism unsupported by any cite cannot stand. Binksternet (talk) 04:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you find me a source for that information? From Wikipedia:Criticism: "Negative criticism is not held to a higher standard from other content" and the general policy for content is "cite when possible." Since this article already lacks adequate citations, I see no reason for criticism to be treated differently. --Protolink24 (talk) 13:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: At WP:CITE, the guideline states sources "should be cited when adding material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, when quoting someone, when adding material to the biography of a living person, and when uploading an image." Any kind of criticism is "likely to be challenged" as is any statement about an angry reaction from a living person. Binksternet (talk) 16:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree in that while many do not believe that the said problems exist, they  all recognize that such criticisms exist and therefore are accepted; it is impossible to cite the views of a community as a whole. --Protolink24 (talk) 20:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism sections