Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 15

message: Okay when people are discussing on here can I request two things? One: Indent your posts. If you want to see how the formatting is done, I'll direct you to the powerhouse of discussions: WP:AN/I. While not perfect, people try to indent on every post, unless they need to respond to a particular post several lines back. Resetting the indent is either done for that reason or if the indenting becomes too far in. I'm not perfect, and no one is, but at least make an effort. Second: please try to spell correctly. I'm a terrible speller, but the spelling has reached a point where it is impeding on the general understanding of what is trying to be said. I know no one cares in forums, I get that, but here, what you say may be quoted later, responded to, or read. Nothing ever disappears here. If you blank it, it is in the history and will be restored, if an admin deletes it, other admins can still see it. I'm not great, no one is, but at least make an attempt. Okay down off the soapbox now. --Clyde (talk) 18:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. It's getting tiring trying to decipher bad spelling and trying to find out what message goes where. (Course, I'm not one to talk about spelling. I once said "My d*ck got stuck in my playstation". Haha!) Dengarde 18:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: firefox v2 has built-in spell checking (underlines words as in a word processor).  i highly advise those with bad spelling to use it (+ it's better than internet explorer, for those who didn't know). Djchallis 10:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brief "guidelines" on posting on talk page 

message: Although it was once whole stages and gameplay were merged there are two reasons why I disagree with this merge. 
* 1) With subsections, casual readers can quickly access to whatever they looking for, whether it be for stages or items, they can quickly get there by clicking on the menu.
* 2) For us editors, if we want to make an immediate change to a certain, it would be a lot easier to click on the [edit] right next to the section instead of having to scroll down on the huge wall of text. magiciandude (Talk) (review) 20:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We're going with a standard format: list gameplay elements under gameplay and create subsections if needed. Only characters needs its own subheading. TTN 20:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And why is it only characters? magiciandude (Talk) (review) 20:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a large enough topic to warrant it. The rest flow nicely in gameplay (or they will once we can fill it with better information.) TTN 20:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I beg to differ however, if someone is looking for something more specific than gameplay, then instead of scrolling all the way down, he/she could just use the subsection to get there faster. I don't know about you, but I don't like scrolling down on a wall of text just to find or edit to just a specific topic. magiciandude (Talk) (review) 20:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go look at some of our featured game articles. They only split sections if it will help improve the flow of the article. In this case where much of the information will be cut eventually, it isn't necessary. TTN 20:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: This is a video game. The others are video games. They all contain gameplay elements. How is the actual content any different? What real reason do we have to ignore them (besides your own preference)? TTN 20:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that they have gameplay elements, but using Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask as an example, it still has subsections (in fact, more than this article does). However, the reason that LoZ: MM doesn't have a list of every item or quest is because the game is already out. We wouldn't need to add content to that because Wikipedia isn't a walk-through, there is an article on items and characters on Majora's Mask, and it would make the article to long. But with Brawl, a game that still has barely any info, is different because there isn't different articles on specific things here. Not only that, but it's too early to generalize anything until the game comes out. Why merge when we don't know what new info we will be getting. For all we know, anything can have a drastic change from Melee to Brawl. And no, looking at the history page, from May 06 to now, the whole gameplay wasn't merged. The items and abilities had it's subsection just like the stages did. magiciandude (Talk) (review) 21:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: If it makes you feel any better, I agree with you. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 01:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I disagree with the Gameplay merge 

message: Guys, on the "Hugely Anticipated Brawler" talk it was said that on the next NP issue they were going to reveal something new. Well, on the newest issue on the calendar part it was saying something about a character most rumored bearing the name of "Fabio". I think they mispelled Falco, but I don't think that this "Fabio" is the most rumored character. Maybe they revealed another charater. Remember, this is just my opinion. I would like to hear your opinions about it. Mr. Mario 192 16:32, 10 June 2007  (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.193.117.66 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 10 June 2007
:If a published work states something, we by default assume that it is true in terms of encyclopedic value and must wait for an official correction if we want it to change. I doubt that Fabio is the most rumored character (Fabio who?), but we'll go with that for now. Besides, "Fabio" and "Falco" are pretty far off. You Can't See Me! 20:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NP unveils Sakurai's daily weekday blog 

message: As a heads up, it would be best to find alternative references from the media since Smashbros.com is always subject to change again. Just a reminder - use the cite web template for the citations and fill out as much fields as possible. FMF|contact 23:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, for non-web related work (Famitsu, etc) see the citation templates. FMF|contact 17:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replace article citations from Smashbros.com 

message: Speaking of music, what does everyone think of adding a section for music under Development, mentioning the wide collection of composers and the tracks that have been displayed on the site?--Viridistalk|contributions 08:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A listing would be unencyclopedic, but I'm all for the mention of composer variety. - Zero1328 Talk? 10:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it doesn't seem right, it would take up most of the article. OBEY STARMAN 11:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really think it would take up most of the article, a few sentences is more than sufficient. To show the range we only need to give a few examples at most. - Zero1328 Talk? 11:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If we do, we should atleast the song they just released today on the site, Metroid: Boss Battle Music (Ridley Fight). OBEY STARMAN 12:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: True.  It could lead people astray into thinking that Ridley is in the game (I hope he is, but there's nothing to confirm this, as usual). Joiz A. Shmo 14:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sakurai did make a big deal about the number of musicians...at most that should be mentioned.  No specific people or songs.  Though, it may be worth mentioning that Sakurai is putting out music samples on the official site.  (Zojo 23:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music Section 

message: Even I am reluctant while writing this, because release date suggestions are frowned upon. But to me, AOL looks like a reliable source. Take a gander at this. Winter huh?? Should it be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.195.110.145 (talk • contribs) 
:No, this is just as unspecific as all the other release dates we've seen.  We all know it will be coming out in fall or winter. Joiz A. Shmo 19:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "AOL looks like a reliable source." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. no. why would Nintendo say it through AOHell and not their official site? FyreNWater 08:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats totally wrong. Sakurai called me today and told me it's coming out on October 27, 2007. --Kenny2k 21:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: If it IS coming out in 2007, then there are 201 possible days it could be released (as of June 13). However, I'm more than sure that its not coming out this month, so you could say theres 184 possible days... --Kenny2k 06:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Release date

message: Exactly where is there anything on that article that is a valid reference to why it's called "The Studio"? It's not even mentioned. Dengarde 23:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. Can anyone find anything where he refered to the team as "The Studio"?  The only source I can recall is the official site before it's makeover. Still, even if a source is not found it can only be changed to UNKOWN. (Zojo 23:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The Studio was mentioned on the old site. As I recall, Sakurai stated that "The Studio" was ANOTHER game developer (which recently completely a game title) that was helping with the production. "The Studio" is NOT the team Nintendo set up for Sakurai to make Brawl, it is an as-of-yet unnamed company that is helping with production. The team set up for Sakurai is also as-of-yet unnamed, but in the original statements it was made quite clear. --Ultima 18:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference for "The Studio" 

message: The paragraph was getting ridiculously chunky, so I have cut it down. We want a general overview, so most of the information was pointless. If someone want to describe the specific weapon types in a general manner, that would probably be fine. TTN 19:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It will not be brought back like that. We cannot just give random examples. We have to describe how the gameplay works, not give every detail. Only major points like the crates and Final Smashes need to be mentioned. TTN 21:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Items paragraph

message: On the first page of the Super Smash Bros. Brawl, shouldn't it say every character that will be in the game?--Scotty12 21:24, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Info on characters in Brawl can easily be found in the Super Smash Bros. (series) page in a handy chart in the Playable Characters section, so naming every character on the Brawl article seems like a waste of space. Disaster Kirby 21:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Plus, the official website has a movie with all the known characters, and articles on more than half. --Kenny2k 21:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List the characters?