Talk:Army Recruit Training Centre

message: As proposed above, I think the article should be named Army Recruit Training Centre (Australia).  Kapooka is the name of a locality and should have its own article Kapooka, New South Wales and treated as a suburb of Wagga Wagga. A disambiguation template can be placed on the Kapooka article.  While I agree it is referred to as Kapooka in the military, that does not mean that is its name.--Mattinbgn/ talk 02:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Renaming

message: The article currently states Major General C.S. Steele chose this site as it was close to Field Marshall Sir Thomas Blamey's birthplace of Wagga Wagga.  I have marked this for citation as I have some difficulty coming to grips with this as it seems a bit incongruous that Australia should choose its main engineer and army recruit site during the middle of a War (1942) on the basis of it being close to Blamey's birthplace (who of course was busy in the field of battle/s).  This needs referencing please.--VS talk...images 05:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Choosing the site for ARTC? 

message: I propose that the article Australian Army Recruit Training be merged into this article.  That article, aside from the unnecessary table, is very short, not to mention completely OR and would be better off here to make this article a more rounded one. If there are no objections by 24 February November, I will go ahead and merge. -- Mattinbgn\talk 06:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not very short you need to look at it again and it is sourced so no OR. DPCU (talk) 11:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a good start.  The article is still stubby and the sections and headings are overdone.  Remove the table (still unsourced) and combine some sections and it would sit nicely as a section in this article. Sorry, my opinion has not changed. -- Mattinbgn\talk 11:32, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I know exactly when it was created; please assume I can read.  I still say the article is better off at :Australian Army Recruit Training Army Recruit Training Centre (Australia).  Any sourced information is better used to improve that article rather than creating two stubby articles.  Please leave the tag on, until others have had the chance to add their thoughts. -- Mattinbgn\talk 06:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So you don't think that your acting a little hastily? DPCU (talk) 08:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Support There's no reason to have two short pages on what is basically the same topic. The article on the training can easily be split out if it gets expanded. By the way, I don't think that you need to wait until late Feb to merge if a consensus emerges from this discussion that such a merge would be justified. --Nick Dowling (talk) 07:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are two different topics Army Recruit Training Centre & Australian Army Recruit Training. Buildings and training are two different things. DPCU (talk) 08:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Army Recruit Training Centre (Australia) isn't just about the buildings. It's about the whole centre where the training is carried out. The topics are so closely related that they should be one topic rather than, as somebody else pointed out, two stubby ones.--AussieLegend (talk) 09:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose merge - I've been thinking more about this and, on balance, I don't see the harm in having two different articles so I'm changing my vote. I've got two reasons for this view: 1) United States Army Basic Training demonstrates that there's plenty of scope to write a lengthy article on this topic and 2) the ARTC isn't the only place in Australia where recruits have undertaken basic training - in this past this was also carried out at a base near Singleton and at Puckapunyal in Victoria. Moreover, there are currently serious proposals to raise a second recruit training battalion which would probably be located elsewhere. I believe that some of the Army Reserve units conduct their own recruit training at locations other than the ARTC. --Nick Dowling (talk) 22:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I meant November,  I just had February on the mind - fixed now.  Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 07:52, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Support for reasons already stated by both Mattinbgn and Nick Dowling. Australian Army Recruit Training can be a redirect to this article if necessary. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Support - Merging proposal - indeed additional information at new article will be helpful to this one and vice versa. --VS talk 07:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So explain how this will be usefull to the Army Recruit Training one? DPCU (talk) 11:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

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