Talk:Elementary arithmetic

message: An international standard, whose name escapes me at the moment; demands equations be written horizontally, NOT vertically.
You do your work on a seperate page (carry the one, subtract six, etc.), but your equation shows the change, one PEMDAS at a time, per horizontal line.
e.g.
2x = 4
x = 2
Just because you were taught to do it vertically, for years, does not mean it is the correct way of doing it.
76.90.226.211 (talk) 03:05, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You can propose a change to Wikipedia's standards for writing mathematics articles at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (mathematics) - but I think you will need to track down that "international standard" if you want anyone to take such a proposal seriously. Gandalf61 (talk) 08:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Equations

message: Many parts of this article currently reflects the views expressed by StephenMacmanus in the section "Changed lead section: what is elementary arithmetic?", specifically:
..."scope of this article partly depends on the education field, since whether or not a part of arithmetic is considered elementary depends on the curriculum"...
..."distinguished by the specific areas within that branch which are taught as an introduction"...
I am going to remove those parts, because the title of this article is "Elementary arithmetic", not "Arithmetic in basic education in western countries"! If you disagree, then have this article renamed to clearly reflect that it is about the subject of how elementary arithmetic is taught in some specific schools. As it stands, this article purports to be about the elementary part of arithmetic itself, and I will strip some things that are irrelevant to this article with its current name as long as it has that name. (Not because I care about this article at all, but because the current state is both a mismatch between article title and content, weasel-wordly, US-centric, AND ageist, all in one.)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.167.94.175 (talk) 06:04, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted your deletions. The material is supported by the Rose reference and documents a wide-spread method. If there are other methods used then we should think of including them.--Salix (talk): 07:15, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schools and their influence on this article 

message: The Adding two natural numbers section is written like math homework. "Suppose you have..."
(Actually no it is not, this lead section may be somewhat okay.)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angerxiety (talk • contribs) 12:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Going to reply to myself, in the Adding two natural numbers section, there is a part where it says "Some pairs of digits add up to two-digit numbers, with the tens-digit always being a 1." What does this mean? Does it mean that every time you get two digits while adding numbers, the tens-digit will always be 10 no matter? Angerxiety (talk) 13:09, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: most likely Angerxiety (talk) 16:36, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding two natural numbers, Example sections 

message: I removed the Multiplication of many digits algorithm or whatever it's called section because it's literally a guidebook section. WP:NOTGUIDE
The example section is also literally another guidebook section. Seriously guys, where are all of you? Angerxiety (talk) 13:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, I might have to remove every single section with the word Algorithm in it. Angerxiety (talk) 13:12, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't done this, but I think it's a good idea. The examples are duplicated with existing articles that are better suited to them (e.g. long division, long multiplication, etc) Danielittlewood (talk) 21:04, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiplication of many digits algorithm and it's example section 

message: Only the Adding and Multiplication section gets examples, while subtraction and division don't get any makes me think that the person who last edited this has a bias against removing numbers from a number.
To anyone on this article and is looking but not responding
Please read wikipedia's help guide on writing your first article and use the information from there. I see you Veerchheda! Angerxiety (talk) 01:32, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you are talking about, since just before you wrote this message, the last person who edited the article was you. Now 2 days later, I removed the example on the subtraction, not because I don't like subtraction but because you made a mistake writing: 792 - 308 = 494. Any calculator will tell you 792 - 308 = 484, not 494. So feel free to put it back, after you fix it. Dhrm77 (talk) 16:35, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I was joking on most of this, but I fixed these errors now. Angerxiety (talk) 16:37, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, this was a terrible thing for me to comment. I'm sorry. If I read on no personal attacks I would have said something sensible, like a sensible person. But since I'm not a sensible person, I've just attacked the contributor, not the content which was a very ediot thing I've done. Angerxiety (talk) 20:57, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subtraction and Division sections with no "Example" section 

message: Every time I removed the "suppose", it's put back? I know it's for tone but on the manual of style for mathematics, it says that "sentences should not begin with a symbol" and the first example starts with "Suppose" and then becomes simplified to "A" Angerxietythe ediot (chat? ⋅ contribs to society) 22:45, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Suppose" 

message: Reading through this article, I found myself confused, since this lead claims "elementary arithmetic" to be a branch of mathematics, but the article rather than the mathematics, seems concerned with pedagogy. This also seems to be the case in the French article, if to a lesser extent. 
The pedagogical concerns seem best left to a different location, or perhaps parsed into a single section, "pedagogy" like the "reception" section of literature articles. 
Either way, this page is marked as needing light-copyediting, but it seems to need more than that.
υγινητε Wyrdwritere (talk) 04:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the point of this article? 

message: This article reads to me like somebody tried to cram as much advanced mathematics as they possibly could. Examples of the sort of things I mean:
* References to the well-ordering of the naturals
* The commutative property of addition
* The successor function
* Multiple citations to textbooks on abstract algebra
* Detailed explanation of algorithms (there are other articles already with lots of examples)
Surely the article should just explain the operations involved at a high level, and defer to the more detailed articles for more explanation. Danielittlewood (talk) 20:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I do agree about the paragraph on ordering of the naturals. It isn't really needed unless you really want to point out the differences between branches of math relying on certain number sets, which sounds obvious and pedantic. Dodolazza (talk) 10:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seems very overcomplicated?