Talk:List of notable post-1960 Florida hurricanes

message: Suggestion for the Wilma headline: The Long Train Running (in the context of affecting many areas, with Florida just one stop on the long line of destruction). CrazyC83 02:19, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it, but it's vague. I had to read your explanation to get the reference. It should also be a specific reference to the Florida landfall. Something like Downtown Blast, or Smashing Towers, or, to continue your train reference: End of the Line (although that is probably too generic to be encyclopedic, not to mention it's a cliche). Anyway, something like that. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde 21:19, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wilma

message: I lived through it in Broward County.  I would certainly say it was catostrophic!  ℬastique▼parℓer♥voir♑ 05:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I never said it wasn't. I was just saying that we should wait until more accurate information comes out in the tropical cyclone report. Then it will be added. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 02:53, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hurricane Wilma]] 

message: Mediocre writing.  Needs a copyedit, wikification in some places, and use of paragraphs.  Needs pictures.  Should not make up names for the storms.  I'm not sure this article should exist. Jdorje 07:39, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mediocre writing?! I spent a lot of time whiping this article into shape. I wrote this article with the same care and in the same style as my school reports, which I usually do well on. The creation of paragraph breaks and the addition of SOME pictures on the more notable storms are the only things I agree with in that above statement. -- §Hurricane ERIC§ archive -- my dropsonde 13:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, this is almost FA-standard in my view! CrazyC83 03:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Todo

message: Since E. Brown essentially did this entire article himself, I'm going to suggest this here rather than just doing it. This article is clearly a list, albeit a detailed one, and should perhaps be moved to List of catastrophic Florida hurricanes: 1961-present. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 01:50, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry to be a stick in the mud, but I'd have to oppose that. This is more of an article describing more than one event, since all of the storms listed are described in detail. Renaming it "List of Catastrophic Florida Hurricanes: 1961-present" would be like renaming 2004 Atlantic hurricane season List of Atlantic tropical cyclones of 2004. You see what I'm saying? -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 02:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List Article? 

message: Does anyone else agree that this should be nominated as a Featured Article? CrazyC83 23:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if this one has what it takes to be an FA. It has a lot of information but voters might not like the way it's formatted or written. We could put it up for a general peer review to see what people's overall impression of the article is. In the mean time, anyone for promoting it to A? -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 18:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's close to being A, but, no offense Eric, some of the writing is a bit dramatic. For example in the Frances section "...and the houses still habitable were licking their wounds." This is an encyclopedia, not a story. That would be perfect for a book of historic Florida hurricanes, but some of borders on POV. A few things are missing for A class that have been a requirement for other storms; inline sources, more intro, and damage pictures. Nonetheless, it is very interesting reading. Hurricanehink 17:29, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, some of it may be melodramatic, but I don't see how it's POV. None of that should be too hard to fix. I'll find some damage pics too. -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 01:27, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with Hurricanehink.  In my view, it should probably be written more matter-of-fact.  I'm not making any sweeping changes on this page away from your tone without your permission, because I can see how attached you are to it, and I don't see the tag I saw on the Texas hurricane page to indicate such a change is necessary.  I must admit, nuclear blast made me wince. Thegreatdr 02:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Eric is currently on a wikibreak, until after June probably, so this article is on hold really. I dislike those section names too, "nuclear blast" seems bad. If you want to carry on with improvements go ahead, and when you are done I'd suggest you submit it as a good article (follow the procedure on that page), the ref format isn't an issue for GAs to the same extent.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the article should focus more on the Florida impact. If this is like a list of catastrophic Florida hurricanes (which is what the title should be, it's a list), there should be lots more specific info, and not so much storm history. For example, Dora is listed as one of the catastrophic storms, yet it only gives a blurb about the impact. A lot of it needs to be rewritten to be in a more encyclopediac style. The titles (The legend, Jacksonville's Big Surprise) need to go, ASAP. I don't know what else should go there, if anything, but that's not the WPTC I know. Sourcing is needed throughout the article, as well. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA nominee? 

message: Have relegated it to start-class. Too much narrative, unencyclopedic tone, POV, Manual of Style issues. The narrative needs to go. "Catastrophic"? Who defines "catastrophic"? Does Hurricane Katrina count? It was a "catastrophic" hurricane, and it was a Florida hurricane. MOS - ,  (commented out because it wouldn't read properly - hit edit to see what needs to be added) et cetera need to be used... far from B-class. – Chacor 09:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed some of the problems, such as much of the information irrelevent to Florida, the remainder of the lurid prose, and added general references.  Chances are, the reference section and all Florida impact sections will need to be expanded.  Thegreatdr 12:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, that's quite a makeover. Still minor problems ("nineteenth century" and "twentieth century" usually aren't capitalised), and  needs to be put in the correct place. Still, it reads much better now. – Chacor 13:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Start-class

message: Would anyone (besides E. Brown) be against merging this article into our very, very poor List of Florida hurricanes? – Chacor 04:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know. The List of Florida hurricanes is pretty ambitious as it is, and will probably need splitting up. If it were to be split up, we have the debate of going by time or by location (List of Florida keys hurricanes, Florida Panhandle hurricanes, List of Mainland Florida hurricanes or something). In all, I do agree with merging it, as do I agree with merging the List of Catastrophic Texas hurricanes with the very, very short and stubby List of Texas hurricanes, though I don't think one should just copy and paste it in. Some work is needed. Hurricanehink (talk) 13:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not so much about the article's content here, per se, than the need for its existence - for which there is none. Like I've said above, who/what defines "catastrophic"? Someone can just come and say, "all tropical cyclones are catastrophic". – Chacor 03:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point. I suggest we keep this article for retirees only (if that is not already the case). Pobbie Rarr 03:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: Per WP:BOLD, I've moved this article to its current name. It's obviously a list, and "catastrophic" was too POV. "Notable" is also slightly POV, but better, and perhaps if this list is converted into retirees-only "notable" would become "retired". Also possible the 1900-1960 article could be merged to form one. – Chacor 05:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about merging this with the List of Florida hurricanes? Hurricanehink (talk) 05:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How long would you like the page to become?  I like the idea of breaking it into sections of time.  Thegreatdr 10:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't think it's quite B yet. Some key points still need referencing, and still some POV problems (like "It was the Panhandle’s worst hurricane in decades."). Some sentence plain don't make sense ("Devastation of this intensity and small of a scale had not been seen since Hurricane Andrew.") A small of this scale? That ("devastation of this intensity") still seems POV without a source. – Chacor 10:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article renamed