Talk:Kung fu (term)

message: I've done some major updates of totally rewritten articles. Please see Chinese martial arts and its talk page for further details.
Also, I would like to move this article either to gongfu or back to kung fu. We should use gongfu if we would like to use the same romanization for all articles (Pinyin), as this is the correct Pinyin form as far as I know (and is the term I've used in the new article). This is the method I prefer. Or we should use kung fu if we want to use the term most common in Western contexts. --Wintran 00:12, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Moving to gongfu was what I wanted to do, but I made the mistake of creating a gongfu article and putting content into it -- so the server wouldn't let me put another article there. Do you know how to fix it? (We're supposed not to lose the page edit stuff...) --P0M 04:22, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I suspected that was the case. I'm not really sure how to fix it either. Maybe some administrator (one with priviliges to delete articles) could help us? --Wintran 07:41, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put the gongfu article on the Wikipedia:Redirects_for_deletion (under February 24). If it gets deleted we can then move this article to gongfu. Please add your vote there. --Wintran 22:08, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've voted. --P0M 00:24, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing in our naming conventions says we have to use pinyin. Instead, we are to use the most common name. "kung fu" has 1,310,000 more google hits than "gongfu". I will move accordingly. --Jiang 01:56, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a quite a complex subject, and I have spent much thought on this particular case. Many of the problems of romanization are discussed at m:Use pinyin not Wade-Giles, though the discussion has been quite inactive as of late, not least from my side. I still believe in using one romanization system for all articles, either Wade-Giles or Pinyin, though I see Pinyin as the most flexible one. I also see the point of the current naming conventions and agree with the idea of using the most common spelling. This is what makes it hard, and I'm still not certain where I stand. Feel free to move to kung fu while the discussion continues. --Wintran 10:12, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we keep kung fu as a disambiguation page or make it redirect to the article about kung fu in martial arts (currently at gong fu), and put: "This article is about kung fu, and Chinese martial arts. There is another article on Kung Fu the television program" on top of the article? The reason why I'm asking is because the majority of people will be looking for kung fu in martial arts, and as I don't believe there are that many other uses of the term. --Wintran 10:12, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Further discussion on which romanization to use can go at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese). Yes, I agree most people would be looking for the martial arts and the disambiguation header should go at the top instead of having a separate DA page. --Jiang 10:29, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also a discussion of this at the Daoism-Taoism romanization issue article. --Fire Star 04:58, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major updates and rewrites 

message: I removed the piece of text below from the article because of the following reasons:
*As there are widely different opinions and uses of the terms kung fu and wushu, the idea I had was to separate these from the actual text about martial arts in China, which was instead placed at Chinese martial arts. Much of the text below would be better suited in that article.
*I feel that most of the text has already been mentioned in kung fu, wushu, Chinese martial arts or Shaolin, and is a bit too general.
If you don't agree with me or have ideas how to improve these articles please feel free to post your opinions. I just want the articles to be as clear as possible.
The text, posted by 172.198.94.48:
:"There are 5 original animal styles that derived from shaolin temple. Monkey is not one of them, although it is a valid style of kung fu. The five animal styles are Snake, Crane, Tiger, Dragon, and Leopard (sometimes known as Panther). There are many other animal styles, such as Monkey, Eagle Claw, Iron Ox, Praying Mantis... Some other styles of kung fu (non-animal) would be, Hung Gar, Si Lum, Wing Chun, White Eyebrow, Bagua, Hsing Yi, Tai Chi, Shaolin, San Shou, Choy Li Fut, etc... Most of the translations of Kung Fu mentioned so far are accurate. Work x Time = Kung Fu. Kung Fu should not be confused with Wu Shu. Wu Shu is based on the arts of Kung Fu, but is basically just for display. Large wide flowing moves, acrobatics, and big poses. The translation for Wu Shu is "Martial Techniques" (i believe) and is not trained for practicality in self-defense."
--Wintran 15:22, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal styles: removed text 

message: Somebody added the following directly to the article:
Different opinion：
The word kungfu from Cantonese, means martial art.  Many people say that kungfu means skill/ability, and not martial arts skill.  Implying that people commonly misunderstand kungfu to mean martial arts (discouraging the use of the word kungfu, and use the word wushu instead).  Kungfu (gongfu) does means skill/ability in mandarin, without any martial arts implication.  The word came to English through Cantonese, and still retains it's original meaning.
It's rather misleading to argue that Cantonese usage meaning determines what a word means in English. It's also rather misleading to indicate that the dictionary meaning of a word in Chinese necessarily determines what people actually say in everyday conversation.  "Gongfu" in Chinese is a little like "affair" in English. What the word means is strongly influenced by the context.  If you say, "She is an expert in affairs of state," you are probably talking about somebody named Albright.  If you say, "He has more affairs than a tomcat," you're probably talking about some Don Juan dela Alley.  In Chinese, if you say, "Ta1 zai4 xue2 gong1fu" (He is studying gongfu), everybody will understand that he is taking martial arts lessons of some kind.
The word "wushu" is, properly speaking, a term for all kinds of one-on-one combat, including knives, swords, halberds, spears, etc., etc.  When people don't know the details of things like xing-yi and tang-lang quan, they may just say, "She's learning gongfu," but if they're capable of being more specific they'll probably use the more specific term. And my guess is that if somebody says, "He's learning wushu," they probably mean the guy is learning to do the "performance art" kind of thing that's more like choreography. --P0M 16:01, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passage added by anonymous editor moved here 

message: Please see Talk:Wushu for some new thoughts on this matter. --Wintran 23:22, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Gongfu is an important term applied historically and philosophically in many areas beyond martial arts.  As such it should not be merged with a martial arts article. Vitalforce (talk) 14:27, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Merging of [[wushu]], [[kung fu]] and [[Chinese martial arts]] articles 

message: Some people have added links to their own (?) schools. The function of an article is not to support commerical enterprises but to supply objective information. Is there any reason not to delete all of the commercial links? I have deleted one a couple of times, and it keeps coming back, but I can see how whoever keep re-adding it could argue that it is being singled out. P0M 05:30, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless the site in question has articles or nice illustrative photos beyond what is presented in the article, they should go, IMO. The different styles' articles have some links to notable schools of their genre (Yang style T'ai Chi Ch'uan for example has links to the Yang family's website), but this general article just seems to be a spam magnet. I don't have time to go through them all now, but will put the article on my watchlist and look through them later. --Fire Star 05:37, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Policy on commercial links 

message: A new category for those interested in martial arts has been created at Category:Wikipedians_interested_in_martial_arts. To add yourself, simply copy the following code to the bottom of your own user page:
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Shawnc 11:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Marial arts category for Wikipedians

message: See Talk:Shaolin (martial arts) for an example of the use of the term "Kung Fu" in Chinese to connote the same meaning as in the west, ie. martial art -- "Shaolin Kung Fu" is actually used more often than "Shaolin Wushu" in both Chinese and English. Shawnc 13:31, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Kung Fu" vs "Wushu"

message: Please post some comments about the categorization of wushu styles at Category talk:Chinese martial arts. Shawnc 03:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wushu styles categorization

message: Inspired by Talk:Chinese martial arts#External links out of hand I find that the same applies to this article, so I'm removing the current external links section. If you don't agree, please object. Wintran 19:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing external links 

message: I just went through and removed large chunks of info that belonged on the Chinese martial arts article. This page is about the term and not the martial art. I think this page could be expanded to include mentions of kungfu in playing instruments or whatever else requires time and skill. The pages' overall downfall is its complete lack of references. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 16:44, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little pruning 

message: This material was in breach of the purpose of an encyclopaedia, in that it was trying to define rather than document. Slang terms from cliques should not be presented in an encyclopaedia and therefore this nonsense about how participants in 'hacker culture' use the term will be removed. It should've been removed earlier anyway, since it didn't have any sources to back it up. If anyone does try to reintroduce it, someone should check that the sources cited are actually reputable. Owen214 (talk) 11:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, and I think it was inappropriate to remove the information.  Addition of the syllable "fu" to various English terms has been part of the popular culture at least since the 1990s, and possibly earlier.  The first time I heard of it was in an episode of "The X-Files", where one of the Lone Gunmen characters says to the other, "My kung fu is better than your kung fu", in relation to his computer skills.  They were clearly not discussing martial arts.  A cursory search of the Internet will find other uses, such as ScriptFu and commandlinefu.com.  I ended up spending more than half an hour searching for the meaning of "fu" before being able to grasp the concept, something that could easily have been shorted to a matter of two minutes if the "hacker culture" usage, as you put it, had been left in the article under the heading "In popular culture". — QuicksilverT @ 18:18, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing material about 'hacker culture' 

message: Most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Oxford implies that karate came before kung fu, or that more people know about karate. --2.245.102.108 (talk) 23:55, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oxford definition 

message: One cannot know even about basic things about Kung Fu in this page..
Nothing about origin , history 
Some other websites provides more information..
Somebody please add more informations
 Thangs Thangasamy (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add more information 

message: When I search Kung Fu in internet Chinese Martial Arts Wikipedia page is shown instead of this page.. Thangs Thangasamy (talk) 18:47, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not showing this page when searched 

message: Per the recent Whiskey Tribe pop culture additions and removals. At what point does it qualify for a spot on the page? There is a reference link and it is used in the whiskey community on a daily basis. Whiskey Tribe [https://youtube.com/watch?v=D_0w59GsC2A Drogo Boffin (talk) 05:19, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop Culture 

message: What does kung mean, what does fu mean, what does kung fu mean? Thank you. Maikel (talk) 23:07, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning