Talk:Moscow Metro

message: In writing about Moscow Metro for the Malayalam Wikipedia, we are finding it difficult to correctly transliterate the Russian place names. For example, do we pronounce Park Kultury as PAARK KALTTARI or PAARK KALCHCHARI (or perhaps something completely different)? Can somebody please help by transliterating the list given in https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/സംവാദം:മോസ്കോ_മെട്രോ. (I am not putting the list here as I don't want to clutter up this page.) Thanks Jose Mathew C (talk) 04:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Transliteration of Russian place names

message: Due to huge problems with russophobia in this article I would propose to remove it at all. There is a good and detailed article in Russian section of wikipedia, anybody interested can take information from there.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.125.6.1 (talk) 15:36, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  well, no sense in this article at all - how many Americans or Europeans can use Moscow metro? BTW, it's very outdated, maybe 10 years - no new lines, no second ring, it's like reading article about London underground written in 80s  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A45E:72A7:1:527B:9DFF:FED0:561 (talk) 18:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased and unacceptable article 

message: It is possible that the claim about Moscow being the second busiest underground network in the world needs looking at. The article that it links to uses sources from 2008 and 2009 when quoting figures for Tōkyo's and Moscow's passenger figures. Following terrorist attacks, a report on BBC Radio 4 said that Moscow was the busiest underground network in the world. •• Fly by Night (talk) 11:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metro Passenger Numbers 

message: The table says L1 is L1, but it should be sorted as if it were line 12. What if one day a real line 12 is built and we want to know how it should be sorted?? Should it be 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-L1-12 or 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-L1?? Georgia guy (talk) 18:18, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-L1 looks natural to me. The table doesn't imply that L1 is some "12th" line, it just puts it right after all the "letterless" lines in a standard alphabetical order (first numbers, than letters A, B... L etc).--Sascha. (talk) 10:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Simply because we're using the sortable function of Wiki table. If we write "L1" instead of "12", the ascending sorting will sort the "L1" before "01", "02", etc. p.s. Moscow Metro has officially changed the title of Line L1 to Light Metro: Butovskaya Line (ЛЕГКОЕ МЕТРО: БУТОВСКАЯ ЛИНИЯ). Just discuss it before moving the article. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 11:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: «Simply because we're using the sortable function of Wiki table.» - and that's fully ok, I suggest we just continue doing thst.«If we write "L1" instead of "12"» - we are not writing L1 «instead» of 12, it is MM who has designated the line L1 (Л1) and not 12, we are just reporting things as they are.«Just discuss it before moving the article.» - that one I didn't understand, we should discuss moving which article where?--Sascha. (talk) 12:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Title of Line L1 currently is Butovskaya Light Metro Line. I'm suggesting moving it to either simply Butovskaya Line or Light Metro: Butovskaya Line (Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Colons approves use of colon), though I prefer the shorter one. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 06:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  L1 

message: Let's imagine a next condition: an average of 44-48 trips per month (40 on work days plus few times on weekends).
The Transport Card for 90 days cost 3020 rubles. So it's going to be 24 160 rubles per two years.
48 trips per month cost 894 rubles with the bank card. That's 21 456 rubles. Plus you have to pay at maximum 1200 rubles for the card (2-year service in average). 
So you saves at least 1000 rubles comparing to 90-day Transport Card and over 4000 rubles if you use 20 trips tickets.
Not everyone is able to pay 10000 once for a yearly unlim card. And, unlike with bank card you won't get refund if you lose it.
Therefore: in specific popular conditions the statement is dubious. Elk Salmon (talk) 07:51, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: (48*24)/60*1080 = 20736. Just slightly cheaper. And you won't get refund if you make under 60 trips in 45 days. For 1080 р. You buys up to 60 passes in 45 days. So it's not notably more expensive and still cheaper in some conditions. Elk Salmon (talk) 16:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bank cards 

message: what about the dogs? I didn't see any of them in london or nyc 81.68.255.36 (talk) 09:51, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Lots of wild dogs, some exotic birds and other natural fauna is still normal thing for the city. It has nothing to do with metro. After all you can find them some times in entrances. But very hardly on stations. Elk Salmon (talk) 08:32, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Literally Street dogs in Moscow article. Uchyotka (talk) 09:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  dogs 

message: The article contains a lot of language mistakes, most notably the Russicisms. I have tried to remove or verify the unsourced claims, but still someone unfamiliar with the topic has to place  templates where appropriate. Artem Karimov (talk | edits) 10:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I'm sorry but this section is written from single point of view only. Even though well-resourced, the information is presented as the Wikipedia's point of view which is unacceptable. The researchers themselves should be noted as the supporters of the following point of view as other views also present. I think that it is important to correct it. --Tserg (talk) 15:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This explains my question below, wondering where the larger section on Stalinism originated. While it's very good as a term paper/thesis, I think in Wikipedia it constitutes original research and needs some editing.--Miniapolis (talk) 02:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Cult of Moscow Metro Section: Neutrality

message: Aside from neutrality debate, I would like to discuss something about Moscow Metro: its Stalin-era stations were full of decor; something almost not used in not-rich country USSR was. One of my sources: Design.ru studeo creator, Artemiy Lebedev, also has a site designated solely for Moscow Metro design, literally "metro.ru". Uchyotka (talk) 08:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moscow Metro "own" style and "atmosphere" discussion 

message: I'm not sure this very long section belongs in this article, at least in its present form; at the very least, I'm going to paraphrase it and try to simplify some of the academic language. Apparently it's from elsewhere in Wikipedia; I'd love to know where!--Miniapolis (talk) 02:27, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Moscow Metro#The Moscow Metro as a Reflection of Stalinist Ideology|The Moscow Metro as a Reflection of Stalinist Ideology]] 

message: The map near the top of the article says that Line 12 (which I believe is the Solntsevskaya Line) is pink. 
But the line template says that it is light green.
Which is correct?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:39, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Line 12 is supposed to be the Third Interchange Circuit. The official map uses orange stripe with dark-brown strokes. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 15:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And Solntsevskaya will be Line 13?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No again. The official map marks it as Line 8 which confuses me because it's supposed to be an independent line from Kalininskaya until 2017. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 15:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And what then?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The colors for future lines are copied from Russian Wikipedia by me. You can edit the  for correction. And the map on Wikipedia was modified by IgorNsk. It is difficult to modify because it's raster image rather than vector. I would say we should always follow the official version rather than speculation. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 16:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: But the Russian Wikipedia still isn't official. If this info were from the Moscow Metro's official map, then it would be the official version. Georgia guy (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: True, we can compromise by using the map without proposed or constructing lines like :file:Mosmetro2010.svg or :File:Moscow metro map en sb.svg until someone has make an accurate one per official data. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 16:06, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct color?? 

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message: Part of the overview contains detailed specifics and should be removed.  It is also written in a highly simplified language which is inconsistent with the rest of the article.Landroo (talk) 13:48, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Overview needs revising 

message: The "11" in the current lines table refers to the current line 11. But the "11"s in the expansion table refer to a new line. Can anyone fix this?? Georgia guy (talk) 17:33, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Current Line 11 will be a part of new line. Elk Salmon (talk) 21:29, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "11" in tables 

message: There are 2 line 8's?? The map appears to say so. Georgia guy (talk) 20:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather, it's a single line that presently consists of two unconnected segments. A middle part is planned for construction, but... I don't think that's going to happen in the next 10 years. YLSS (talk) 21:39, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two line 8's 

message: If there are two line 8's, the total number of lines should be 13. Any flaw here?? Georgia guy (talk) 14:02, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: See my response directly above. It's considered a single line. YLSS (talk) 14:22, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of lines 

message: MosMetro now have new logo¹, maybe, it's better to replace one in the article?
¹ www.artlebedev.com/everything/metro/logo/
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.69.56.32 (talk) 18:59, 19 November 2014
:Well, if you know Russian, you can check :ru:Talk:Московский метрополитен#Логотип 2014. In short, it is still unclear, how much it is introduced or not, and how it should look like: just the red letter M or that letter in a red "curl", as can be seen for example here  (at the bottom). YLSS (talk) 19:41, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is "so well introduced" now it can be see on some trains' seats, on the tickets, and even some merch they sell in Trubnaya stations' kiosk. Uchyotka (talk) 09:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  New logo 

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message: Greetings to everybody. A new map of Moscow Metro has recently been introduced due to the fact that the Moscow Ring Railway (MKZHD) is to be launched this September. I wonder if this image could be incorporated into the article. The map is bilingual. Unfortunately, the resolution leaves much to be desired, but I haven't managed to find a better picture so far.
Thanks in advance. Eugene, Moscow.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.16.20.245 (talk) 16:38, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have one. Wikimedia always prefers free (CC-BY-SA 3.0 compatible) alternative unless the image itself justifies its own article (e.g. tube map) which still can only be used within the limitation of Wikipedia:Non-free content. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 14:59, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

text: One thing though, you can email ArtLebedev to ask if they want to license their Moscow Metro diagram under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0. CC license is non-exclusive, that means the diagram can retain its original (monetary) license and only be used freely without direct permission when the conditions of "Attribution-ShareAlike" are firmly complied. But that also means others can modify and redistribute the diagram openly, something that ArtLebedev designers might not want to agree with. For example, the English romanization that is currently applied on their diagram is not compatible with the one on Wikipedia, e,g, Zhulebino vs Julebino which we might need to correct if we are given the right. Another condition you would want to ask ArtLebedev for besides the CC license is to release the vector source file (not PDF) of the diagram, preferably SVG for future modification. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 04:47, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended map 

message: Ten years ago, I thought that the Monorail was a separate system that's run by the same business, and thus must be called Line M1. Wikipedia now refers to it as the 13th line, as if it were just another line of the Moscow Metro. Is this true now?? Why?? Georgia guy (talk) 13:49, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ask ArtSwan. They're responsible for attempting to "right the wrong". -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 14:32, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Now, while urbanrail.net says M1 is now line 13, the following URL still thinks that the proposed line unrelated to M1 is line 13:
http://www.mrl.ucsb.edu/~yopopov/transit/projects_moscow.html
Wikipedia itself refers to M1 as line 13 in the line template and in the monorail's article, but as M1 elsewhere. Georgia guy (talk) 18:47, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

text: Update: it's marked "13" on all trains now.Uchyotka (talk) 09:07, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  M1 or 13?? 

message: Just a notice for you guys that I will not longer update the system maps without future plans because maintaining these versions along with the ones with future plans (:File:Moscow metro ring railway map ru sb future.svg and :File:Moscow metro ring railway map en sb future.svg) is very tiring and could easily lead to errors, after all very few people around are willing to proofread the maps carefully. If you want to create a new one with perfectly round shape of TPK and Central Ring to supersede my maps, feel free to do so. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 13:35, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for keeping them intact for a long time.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:45, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

text: Thank you from me too, for the maintenance that you have done. (Of course, I can understand—Moscow Metro is expanding very quickly right now, so that's why it's so tiring to update the maps every few months—but thank you anyway.) -- epicgenius (talk) 15:39, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of system maps maintenance 

message: Line #1 is already red. What's an accurate description of line 14's color?? Crimson?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:57, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Strawberry red. Elk Salmon (talk) 23:05, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Very weird phrasing, considering edible strawberry is also red. I would unironically call #14 white (it has thick white inner line and red side lines) Uchyotka (talk) 09:06, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming colors of lines 1 and 14 

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message: Why does the table have 15 between 12 and 13?? Georgia guy (talk) 21:31, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Line 13 (mono) and 14 (railway circle) aren't "tube trains" metro lines in regular sense. Nekrasovskaya Line 15, however, is a full-pledged metro line Uchyot (talk) 11:17, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ordering the lines 

message: I remember the L1/12 discussion from 2006 about one of the line designations. If my memory is correct, User:Elk Salmon wanted the line to be called 12; while User:Kuban kazak said no; we have to call it L1. (That was back in 2006; it is meaningless today because the line is now called 12; the line Kuban Kazak claimed was going to be the real line 12 now exists as line 14.)
As for the discussion I'm saying we need to avoid, please note that a new user added 2 lines to the lines template; these are D1 and D2. The discussion I'm saying we need to avoid is whether it's okay to call these lines lines 16 and 17. Georgia guy (talk) 02:31, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Why avoiding discussion? 12, D1 and D2 are official naming, which we follow . Elk Salmon (talk) 17:16, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The same way L1 was until 2013 for what is now line 12. Please remember the now-archived discussion from 2006. Georgia guy (talk) 17:44, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then if you look up that 14-year old discussion and edits you might notice, i didn't remove L1. I was providing both numbering that could be found in official references. Until early 2010's Moscow Metro didn't use numbers as active as now, so there could be different approaches. Numbers weren't taken much care of. Now, I'm sure you do know from other web resources? that I'm not in favor of D naming and I'm in favor of universal common numbering - 16, 17 etc. But it's not official. It was one of proposals, but D numbering have been taken into action. Elk Salmon (talk) 18:34, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

text:  Additionally, D1 and D2 still working as a suburban service using suburban trains and tracks. D1 and D2 will be completed by 2023-2025. Then will have own exclusive right of way with own tracks and stations. So then they could be added to this article, but at the moment they do not belong to metropolitan heavy railways. So there is even no need to mention them. May be only as under construction lines, including D4. Elk Salmon (talk) 18:38, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you look at Transport for London (TfL), the Moscow Central Diameters are arguably analogous to London Overground and TfL even includes them in the originally Underground-only tube map which also depicts Docklands Light Railway (DLR) as all 3 systems share the same fare system, just like what Moskovsky Metropoliten intends to do. But our UK Wikipedia editors still treat London Underground, Overground and DLR articles separately. From the point of article neatness, I do think we should treat Moscow Metro and Diameters separately, but that would also mean separating Moscow Monorail and Moscow Central Circle from Moscow Metro article too for consistency. -- -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 06:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  As far as i heard, Overground doesn't have an own right of way and not entirely grade separated? (that is the question). Still, it's been long complicated dispute of what to recognize as the metro system. There is an a definition from UITP, where not all official metro system falls into. But when built, MCD will fall into the definition completely. UITP is not the last instance, but definition is widely accepted with localized exceptions. Like many Japanese rail lines, even those not grade separated are still actual metro. Though some envy pushing some to disprove even those grade separated with own right of way, like Yamanote line. Moreoever, many Japanese metro lines actually accepting service from those lines recognized as commuter services. So it's very difficult to split them into what is metro and what is not. But. Most articles here are separated by administrative (ownership) entity. Moscow Metro is operated by the State Enterprise Moscow Metro, including line 14 (MCC), where RZD is only subcontractor for operation on line 14. MCD is operated by JSC CPPK, owned by City of Moscow and RZD. So, there could be 2 separated articles. But both MCD and MM articles should be widely referred in each other. List of metro lines in Moscow navbox should include both MM and MCD lines. There could be common article Transport in Moscow Region (Трансорт в московском регионе), containing information about everything - MM, MCD, Suburban railways, Mosgrotrans and Mostransavto buses, trams and trolleys, private buses, cableways etc. List of metro systems needs a great revision. There are many metro systems that won't fall into definition, and there are many that falls, yet not present in the list. Elk Salmon (talk) 19:11, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please do whatever you can to avoid allowing the following discussion on this talk page 

message: I am here to inform you guys that after a very lengthy consideration, I won't be updating my Moscow Metro (precisely "integrated rail") map which is expected to include the Moscow Central Diameters. I came to this uneasy conclusion because my new career in a foreign country doesn't allow me to have enough time to handle this enormous project. I need to work harder while studying a foreign language. Incorporating the MCD into the current Moscow Metro+MCC map would mean every current line in my map needs to be realigned. Perhaps my desire to make my map as much as professional (even though it isn't really necessary here) and my purist approach to SVG with only text editor (Notepad++)  are to be blamed. This is really my personal opinion, but the most recent incarnation of Inkscape still doesn't convince me that it is a proper substitute of text editor when it comes to basic octagonal rail diagram (using its own "symbols dialog" instead of the "defs" in the SVG specification). 
The confirmation of Adobe Illustrator's eccentric handling of text alignment is another discouraging factor. Even if a professional cartographer is willing to contribute their own Moscow rail map in SVG under the CC-BY-SA license, texts of their SVG exported from Ai will always be misaligned and require impossibly tedious realigning work (maybe on Inkscape) to look properly on Wikimedia. And you will need to align every single non-right-aligned text whenever the pro cartographer updates the SVG, every, single, time. I am not kidding. After being able to use Ai CC2020, the first thing I did was to test its SVG export, and the result is just bad. 
As someone is to abandon his own work, I will not make any requirement if any of you attempt to make your own new Moscow integrated rail map, with whatever software you prefer. I can still help out with minor revision if my time allows. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 01:57, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: What a pity. I don't have the knowledge to do this. And I have never drawn images or schemes. -- Vadiml 07:33, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future of Moscow Metro map for Wikimedia 

message: .. " Брестские крепости " вдоль всей границы с Германией .. или кто там был за. 
Можно было ? 176.59.194.112 (talk) 18:44, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  If was not building Metro. If was building ..  

message: Do we know their colors?? The line template reveals 2 upcoming lines, but not which one is #17 and which is #18 or their colors. Georgia guy (talk) 18:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lines 17 and 18 

message: Can someone update the map in §Network Map to include the new Mnyovniki station and any new lines? Thanks. Electos242 (talk) 04:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Extension 

message: Lines 11 and 11A are going to be merged. Lines 8 and 8A are 2 parts of a discontinuous line and the line is going to be a single line somewhere deep along the line (no pun on the 2 definitions of line please.) But Line 4A is a branch of 4, so I doubt it will merge; is there any reason it's called 4A and will still be called such even if it becomes a separate line and not a branch of Line 4?? Georgia guy (talk) 21:12, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lines 4 and 4A 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Metro-1 and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 8#Metro-1 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Pichpich (talk) 22:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Metro-1" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/search/Metro
Metro2fsb (talk) 14:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  metro articles on thr moscow times website 

message: the history section, in particular the description of the different stages of station construction, is largely uncited, features excessive and at times out of place block quotes, and sometimes includes bullet point lists (and italics) for seemingly no reason. Could someone, preferably the original author, add necessary citations and do some reformatting? I tried improving the layout somewhat, but I'm not familiar enough with the sources used to do any substantial revisions of the text itself.
PS: I added a TOC limit to reduce the amount of blank space caused by the long TOC and long infobox, but for some reason the Notable incidents subheadings still appear for some reason, if anyone more knowledgeable could fix that.
--jonas (talk)
@ 117.20.116.204 (talk) 21:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section