Talk:Army Service Uniform

message: So I went over Army Regulations, and I learned the following:
*Distinctive Unit Insignia, coat of arms given to units of distinction. Worn on your beret and shoulder loops.
*Regimental Distinctive Insignia, the regiment your unit supposedly descended from (the army no longer uses regiments). The lineage is based on USARS. Worn over your right breast above your name tag and sometimes shoulder loops.
**Note: The RDI's design for Combat Support, Combat Service Support, and Special Branches are redundant to branch insignia worn on lapels.
*Combat Service Identification Badge, replaces the SSI-FWT patch, and indicates what command unit controlled your unit during a past operation. Worn low at pocket level.
*Beret Flash, a patch on the beret. Unique patterns given to units of distinction.
*Background Trimming, an oval patch given to units with airborne status. Worn under your jump wings.
Good lord, the uniform has become a Christmas tree! The whole point of replacing the assortment of service uniforms with the ASU was to simplify things.
#If your unit doesn't merit a DUI, you wear your unit's RDI instead. So why must combat arms units that do merit DUIs still wear their RDIs?
#Why must non-combat arms units (CS, CSS, special branches) wear both RDI and army branch insignia when the design is virtually the same?
#For that matter, why must DUIs and RDIs even be on the uniform? Such things would be better on fixtures (buildings, flags) and letterhead. In the Navy, all coat of arms and seals are attached vessels and buildings, never people!
#Why must attachment to a past command unit be a worn decoration? Couldn't something like a challenge coin be issued?
#Why do we need both beret flashes and oval trims?
Jigen III (talk) 19:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Too Many Symbols of Distinction!

message: Does anyone know whether paratroopers will continue to blouse their jump boots, as they currently do with the Class A's/B's? I don't have any experience with the dress blues, nor have I seen anyone wearing them here on Bragg. Thanks in advance. Parsecboy 20:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I served in the 82d Airborne and we did not wear the beret or bloused jump boots with our dress blues.--69.139.30.50 14:03, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question... 

message: Isn't the mention of Marine uniforms a bit superfluous in this article? 155.219.241.10 03:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is notable, I think, to point out that other branches of the service have a trouser alternative for women. --Mukk 23:59, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marine Uniforms? 

message: I replaced the speculative information on the new uniform with information straight from the new AR 670‐1, WEAR AND APPEARANCE OF ARMY UNIFORMS AND INSIGNIA. 
For those unaware, the Grey Shirt is history, and Black Jump Boots are back for those authorized to wear them with Greens.
Likewise, we have a replacement for the Right Sleeve SSI in the form of a Badge worn on the right side of the Jacket and the Class "B" Shirt. There is no replacement yet for the Left Sleeve SSI, so the SSI will now only appear on the Army Combat Uniform.
SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) (talk) 17:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Answers to All Questions

message: Is the layout up top really the best layout we can come up with? The text in the middle looks ridiculous...The freddinator (talk) 16:33, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layout 

message: :Any US army people out there, the uniform looks good for those working in offices and similar "clean" environment but it strikes me that any time a group of ordinary soldiers will have to do anything grubby (even remove equipment from a dusty storage room) then they will be in and out of overalls whereas the previous in the more casual wear they needn't do this so much and could just get on with it.  Any thoughs or comments? Dainamo (talk) 08:48, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This uniform will never be worn by soldiers that would be doing any kind of physical labor.  They would be wearing the ACU, or one of the other work uniforms.  I would doubt that you would even see this uniform on many of the office personnel.  This uniform will probably be similar to the Class A's and Dress Blues in that it will be worn only during ceremonial occasions, inspections, or by recruiters.Flyboymb (talk) 19:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: is ths uniform practical?

message: Is the beret flash suppose to replace the oval trimmings behind jump wings? Jigen III (talk) 18:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background Trimming and Beret Flashes 

message: I have simplified a few things and of course continued my fight against capitalism. I note the passage on the origin of unit patches is simply wrong. Corps-level badges made their appearance in the Army of the Potomac (and later int he West) during the ACW. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 10:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: General cleanup

message: I notice that the section on headgear in the article says that the black beret is no longer used with the ASU.  This seems to contradict both the photos included in the article and the ALARACT (202/2008) announcing the change, which says:
13. HEADGEAR AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE ASU:
* BERET (BLACK, MAROON, GREEN AND TAN)
* SERVICE CAP (MALE/FEMALE; CORPORALS AND ABOVE)
14. THE BERET IS THE PRIMARY HEADGEAR WORN WITH THE ASU BY ALL SOLDIERS UNLESS THE COMMANDER DIRECTS WEAR OF THE SERVICE CAP (FOR CPLS AND ABOVE).
I suspect the confusion may be the authorization to use the service cap, and the illustration of the service cap in the male officer "Dress Blue" configuration (which also shows the bow tie rather than the four-in-hand).  
I would simply correct the article, but am too far from the way the uniform is actually worn these days to be sure I have the current information.173.13.221.59 (talk) 21:17, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headgear 

message: What, if any, content should be on this article regarding previous Khaki and Brown Army Service Uniforms that existed prior to the Dress Greens? --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:29, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical Uniforms 

message: I'm just wondering why the title is "Army Service Uniform"? Shouldn't it be "US Army Service Uniform" or "Army Service Uniform (US)"? I'm not looking for a flame war about this, but wouldn't it be better to be more specific? I mean surely there is more than "Army Service Uniform" globally? Cheers :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by  122.57.148.79  (talk • contribs)  13:43, 19 February 2012
:"Army Service Uniform" is the official term used by the US army for this class of uniform. It's not a non-specific string of words, i.e. "service uniform of the army" or "US Army's service uniform; it's the actual unalterable label (think of it like a brand). They want it to abbreviate as "ASU" to coincide with "ACU", the Army Combat Uniform. For other militaries, "dress uniform" or "full dress" seems to be the more common for non-combat uniforms. Jigen III (talk) 04:34, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: British, Canadian, Australian and New Zealand armies all maintain the designation "service dress" for the (usually khaki) uniform equating to the civilian business suit and worn for semi-formal occasions. "Dress" or "full dress" uniforms are usually more colourful or at least have additional trimmings. However the term "Army Service Uniform" does seem to be exclusive to the US Army and is accordingly probably an appropriate title for this article. Buistr (talk) 07:40, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  rename to US Army Service Uniform? 

message: This article suffers from too many editors. Mistakes are corrected only to be made again. Every single bit of the uniform seems to be discussed at least twice in different locations. There is little unified style in the writing. It violated the Wiki Manual of Style all to heck. 
Sadder still is there is no obvious way to fix the problem. Everyone in the army is an expert and perfectly willing to chip in their two cents' worth. 
I think I will give up on this article. Like the World War II article, this suffers from too many cooks. By leaving, I am doing my part to solve the problem. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 10:15, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many cooks

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message: Why is there an entire paragraph on the Purple Heart in an article on the Army Service Uniform? The only way it could even remotely be linked is if the author indicated WHERE such awards on worn on the Army Service Uniform, or if the regulations regarding how they were on worn on the uniform have been modified.
I think that entire paragraph and the subsequent one (regarding Infantryman badges) should be deleted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrStiv (talk • contribs) 18:04, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purple Heart and Other Medals and Badges -- Why? 

message: A suggestion for this article: Add, where available, the actual color scheme number of the clothing. Example: “Uniform, Trousers, US Army Service, Class-A, Blue (AMS STANDARD 595A COLOR: Federal Standard 15056)”. Somewhere on some design document that information will be available. Why might this be a valuable piece of information? The answer is 99.99% of the people won’t care but encyclopedias are about the 0.01% so we don’t forget what we did and how we did it and so companies know how to mirror colors they wish to implement in their own organization. And...that's a thing the army would do. Worldneedsplastic (talk) 07:33, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's in a color? 

message: I just found this picture of General John Shalikashvili in 1997, it appears that he is wearing the Army Service Uniform. Is there any relationship to the current uniform? If so why isn't it mentioned in the article? Skjoldbro (talk) 09:47, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the old formal dress blues, which the current service uniforms are based on. When the new (pink and) green service uniforms are phased in, the blue service uniform will be relegated to the same sort of more formal occasions that the blues were used for in the past. It's covered in the second paragraph of the history section, but I do agree that it needs to be reworked. The fact is the 2008 move to blue was less a new uniform being introduced as a modified version of an existing uniform (the dress blues) taking over functions previously handled by a separate uniform (the day-to-Day service functions of the greens). Instead of phrasing it as though the ASU was a new uniform, the continuity with the dress blues needs to be emphasized. oknazevad (talk) 17:46, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the Uniform 

message: From the third paragraph of the History chapter
Since the blue ASU is now standard, the only green service uniform remaining in the U.S. military are the Marine Corps's olive green service uniform.
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I believe this no longer holds true now that the new green uniforms are being introduced. 
Perhaps the word 'currently' or an 'as of year x' before the sentence would be correct?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.78.244.138 (talk) 00:25, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  A quick headsup/question