Talk:Nacht und Nebel

message: I am the author of the short article on Night and Fog (Nacht und Nebel) which appears on my site at shoaheducation.com/fog.html.    I am the one who put a copy of the article on wikipedia, as a reprint, and thereby gave you copyright permission to use the material.  Whoever complained is someone without knowledge of the material or copyright, and may be among those who have given difficulty over my site for several years for either personal or ideological reasons.  In any event, you may check and see that I am the author andowner by going to the page above, or writing at ekbest@charter.net  or shoah@charter.net.  If you have a name who filed the complaint I would like to know, because they, and not wikipedia are committing the violation: it is against Copyright law also to interfere with an author's decisions regarding his or her own work or publication thereof: (Federal Copyright Act, 1976).  In any event, Wikipedia in no way violated the Act, nor did I in reprinting my own material.
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: The above unsigned contrib was placed at Talk:Nacht und nebel#Night and Fog Copyright Infringement 20:03, 10 October 2004 by User:Silsor, with the summary
:: "copied from Wikipedia:Request for immediate removal of copyright violation" 
: Edit-history data noted by Jerzy•t 20:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Noted by Jerzy•t 04:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: --Jerzy•t 04:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Night and Fog Copyright Infringement 

message: Lines like "cruelly and unjustly" and the above heading don't really belong here....
While it's obvious that this policy was bad news, our duty is to recount, not to preach; let us assume our viewers have the strength of mind to decide what was "evil" on their own, without us telling them. If you feel that the modern German (and elsewhere contemporaneous) evaluation of the deeds described isn't obvious, you can summarize it in a new section of the article. Vivacissamamente 01:25, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "This great evil"

message: This artcle, while good, seems like it could use some rephrasing and cleanup.  I'm not posting it on cleanup because that's too big already, but if you happen by here, here  are some suggestions on improvements.
* "The Geneva Convention was not of the Third Reich," - rephrase
* "which resulted in the disappearance of many political activists." - passive voice; unless we don't know any more than this, it would be good to state what happened
* "or the far larger group" -rephrase
* Capitialization issues...
JesseW 06:49, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup

message: The film Night and Fog takes its French, and translated English, titles from the German term. The following has been removed from that the film's article:
: There is some irony in the term, as "bei Nacht und Nebel davon gehen" is a colloquial German expression roughly meaning "escape under cover of darkness". Hitler most likely borrowed it from Wagner's Das Rheingold (1869), an opera that he revered and in which a character becomes invisible using a magic helmet and uttering the spell "Nacht und Nebel, niemand gleich".
The reasoning behind the removal amounts to 
# questioning the two assertions immediately before the two (here simulated) fact tags, and 
# the ambiguity about whether the Rheingold connection is a fact about Nazi etymology, or a belief of the filmmakers, or for that matter OR by a WP editor, and their own a belief of a WP editor based on it. 
I don't have time right now to summarize just below the discussion at Talk:Night and Fog (film)#The phrase "Nacht und Nebel" of the removed passage, and add some of my afterthots since.
--Jerzy•t 00:44 &20:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: --Jerzy•t 20:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The expression "Nacht und Nebel" 

message: I doubt if all people in this list were Nacht-und-Nebel prisoners. For instance in the bios of Mary Lindell and Andrée de Jongh no mention is made of this policy. Who knows more? Kattiel (talk) 11:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable prisoners 

message: I altered the page title but this was reversed by The Bounder. Before going into an edit war I welcome any argument brought forward to keeping this page title. 
My reasons for changing the title and moving the page were:
# The title simply does not refer to a directive by Hitler but to a German saying. I have explained this in the newly amended name-section.
# So, it is also a wrong account of events. Hitler did not issue night and fog on 7 December 1941 but the night-and-fog-directive.
# The use of the term "night-and-fog-directive" is in line with the use of equivalent terms, e.g. we use the term "Operation Barbarossa" but not "Barbarossa" and we use the term "Posen speeches" but not "Posen".
# The use of the term "night-and-fog-directive" will make it easier to distinguish between the directive and the films.
# The article itself uses almost always expressions like "night-and-fog-directive", "night-and-fog-decree", "night-and-fog-prisoners" or "night-and-fog-facilities", the few instances where it is not using such terms read strange. So, the new title will only reflect the content of the article.
# 
Cheers  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Streifenleopard (talk • contribs) 14:28, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Page Title

message: Looking through, this is a bit of a mish mash of different language variants - US program vies with UK labour and UK date format. This should be consistent throughout. I'll leave it up to those who work on the article to make the choice. All the best, - The Bounder (talk) 07:39, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

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