Talk:ACT New Zealand

message: "Because the term "liberal" can have such a great variety of meanings, however, some New Zealanders would not consider ACT's use of it to be accurate."
- Isn't this statement contradictory? If a word has a variety of meanings, either each is in a way accurate, or none is. I'm sure that any use of the word "liberal" can be disputed.
:I see what you mean. What I was trying to say with that sentence, however, was that not everyone accepts every definition of "liberal" as valid - there are people who consider ACT's use of "liberal" to be incorrect, rather than merely a different way of looking at the word. My goal in including that sentence was basically to convey that some people do not consider ACT a liberal party under any valid definition, despite its self-description as such. -- Vardion 23:21, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: term "liberal"

message: I noticed that an article exists on the Association.  It is not notable enough to justify its own article guys.  Considering that Catherine Judd sought to establish a new "Douglas Institute" to promote neo-liberal thought, it is fair to say that the Association does not really exist except in the minds of a few.  Thus it isn't significant enough to really exist.  I was bold and did this move.  If you disagree, lets discuss it before re-establishing it.  Unfortunately Varidon is out of the country for about a year, as s/he created the article.  --Midnighttonight 07:32, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Association of Consumers and Taxpayers 

message: in the NZ context "centre right?"???
how about far right
noticable important opposition party??????
yeah with rodney on dancing with the stars and that other person with 0 NZ name recogntion doing some army thing
honestly one of the worst parts of wikipedia is these small groups with complete control over articles describing themselves. How about half of you go over and vandalise the labour party article and ask on the talk page for some of them to come over and help you out with your propaganda piece.
your article should reflect the NZ public as as whole's perception of the act party. Most NZers would think of ACT as 'far right business round table stooges'-(labour supporters) or a tolerated, small appendage of the national party- (National supporters)
oooooh how about Stephen Franks criticisms of the 2002 law and order debate in the context of his parties market theology, yeah if you sell TVNZ it would totally adopt the public service ethos it doesnt realise as a privatised crown owned company
In my opinion ACT standing for 'individual freedom' and 'personal responsibility' is a bit POV, the language accepts the ACT party policy unchallenged. 
Please respond on the talk page
From the Neoliberalism article
The term "neoliberalism" is used to describe a variety of movements away from state control or protection of the economy, particularly beginning in the 1970s. The term neoliberalism is not the only one for this movement, many supporters argue that it is simply "liberalism," while critics (along with some supporters) often label it Thatcherism (United Kingdom), Reaganomics (United States of America), Economic Rationalism (Australia), Rogernomics (New Zealand) or Manmohanomics (India). Because of close association between this philosophy and neoclassical economics, and confusion with the ambiguous term "liberal," some advocate the term "neoclassical philosophy."
Rogernomics (New Zealand)
how about ACT party classified as neoliberal and connect to that article rather than the other liberalism article
I think
Supporters claim that ACT is one of the more noticeable opposition parties, known for its frequent and vociferous criticism of the government. Critics of the party sometimes claim that ACT is more interested in scoring political points and gaining media exposure than in participating in constructive dialogue. Many of its rank-and-file members are also perceived to have more in common with neo-conservatism than classical liberalism. Peron, "The New Anti-PC Problem" Supporters, however, say that ACT "keeps the government honest", and ensures accountability.
Is pretty damn POV
so supporters claim but critics sometimes claim
wow mayby you could improve it with critics are sometimes thought of as considering the possibility of claiming......
:I agree that the article lacks balance, but please cite whereever possible. If you look at the changes I've just made, you'll see that I've used a very easy method of making footnotes, by surrounding the footnote text with footnote text.-gadfium 20:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly agree with this, especially with saying that it's not a centre-right party. Their politics are extremely right wing. I won't change it myself, but count this as a vote for either 'far right' or 'right wing'. Certainly not centre right. Jeez. --MotleyPhule (talk) 20:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: anyone here not from the act party?

message: Hello, came here at random, no idea about NZ politics, simple question: how do you pronounce the party's name: "a-see-tee" or "act"? jnestorius(talk) 16:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As one word, "act", not spelled out.-gadfium 20:12, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Spelled out, it has unpleasant Australian connotations. Kind of like an Irish political party calling itself the Red Underwear Cooperative and having the acronym spelled out.  (note for the non-antipodeans: tongue firmly in cheek) Orpheus (talk) 22:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: – may help with the party's origins/principles et cetera? Adabow (talk)  09:25, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful reference 

message: What's the point in changing the party leader name to "Don Brash" right now?
The correct procedural thing to do is leave it until ACT caucus votes on the issue. Right now I believe Don Brash isn't even a member  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.132.98 (talk) 05:41, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Don Brash has now put his membership in as of this morning. Mathmo Talk 10:40, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  leadership 

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message: Is the label 'conservative' still relevant to ACT? Currently, their own leader and only MP claims to be a social liberal, like he did the other day at this debate (9:00 to end), like he did in his Reddit AMA, and like he did in a Q+A interview at the end of last year.
I'm not sure that it's fair to call the current incarnation of ACT conservative. - Imnofox (talk) 06:20, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Providing reliable sources can be found for past ACT figures who were more conservative, I think it is valid to discuss it within the article. However, for the infobox, I am not so sure. Seymour is clearly liberal and the current platform of the party reflects that. The party's stance is even more evident now English is National leader and is espousing more conservative policies. The current ACT is also certainly notably less conservative in terms of both policy and rhetoric than otherwise similar parties like the Australian Liberal Democrats or the Czech Free Citizens Party.--Jay942942 (talk) 17:55, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Conservativism" 

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message: I have removed the claim of right-libertarianism as it broke the WP:SYNTHESIS rule due to none of the sources provided explicitly calling the party right-libertarian.
On a separate note, does anyone know of any written criticism of whether the party is even libertarian? As far as I can find the party did not support a yes vote in the 2020 New Zealand cannabis referendum, which seems very much counter to what a libertarian party should be supporting. The party does seem to fit the standard mantra of a libertarian party in an economic sense though, although I question it when it comes to being socially libertarian. The party has also been described as a party perceived as "tough on crime" (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=N-ql-Xs9hhkC&pg=PA92&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false) which is not normally a libertarian trait. It seems to me to be an economically liberal and libertarian party but socially quite conservative. In summary I question to what degree the party is truly libertarian as a whole and think there are probably more ideologies we could add to clarify where the party stands overall. Helper201 (talk) 17:41, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Right-libertarianism and libertarianism

message: It is misleading to describe ACT as a conservative party – it is a classical-liberal party, describing itself as a liberal party, and also described as such by political journals and academic books. The handful of news articles chosen to cite the "conservative" label are non-NZ sources, applying a simplistic conservative-liberal binary that is not apt to the NZ political environment. The one non-news sourceSimon-Kumar, Rachel. “The 'Problem' of Asian Women's Sexuality: Public Discourses in Aotearoa/New Zealand.” Culture, Health & Sexuality, vol. 11, no. 1, 2009, pp. 1–16. JSTOR, www.jstor.org/stable/20461086. Accessed 13 Dec. 2020. is one that I don't have access to, but I'd wager that it is much like the other sources in that it contains a passing mention of ACT and uses a lazy descriptor in lieu of any real explanation of the party's philosophy. For the time being I have rearranged the list in the infobox to lessen the implication that the party's primary ideology is conservatism. At least I strongly suggest that we describe the party as predominantly classical-liberal or libertarian (this is disputed; see above). Hazhk (talk) 17:13, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "Not apt" for what reason?  This is an international project, and use of international sources -- and standard political science concepts -- are wholly appropriate.  Many parties self-describe idiosyncratically, and sometimes entire countries use terminology that's at odds with that generally in use.  (Looking at the Israeli politics pages one will discover an amazing number of different species of "liberal" parties that one might have, to the naked eye, rashly thought were right-wing nationalist.)  The five sources used for "conservative" seem good ones, and others appear to be available.  ("Conservatives compared: New Zealand First, ACT and the Conservatives" -- an Australian (not without their own curious use of the word "liberal") academic source.)  Of the three "classical liberal" sources, the first fails verification (instead it uses the description "right-wing party [that emphasizes] libertarian principles"), the second is iffy ("has for for some time been modifying its image into that of a classical liberal party"), and the third is a self-pub primary, which is inherently problematic as noted above (and as put in terms by WP:PRIMARY).  I'd suggest looking for stronger sources, or reconsidering looking to word that as their unqualified descriptor in the text.  109.255.211.6 (talk) 16:07, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

text: i agree, we have a "Policies and ideology" were descriptions like conservatism and right-wing populism can be listed Braganza (talk) 05:25, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conservative 

message: The "Electoral results" table has inconsistent alignment in the last column, where some content is left-aligned and the rest is centred. I don't know how to fix it. Nurg (talk) 23:18, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed using .-gadfium 03:09, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent alignment in "Electoral results" table 

message: Kia ora, I think it's reasonably to say that magenta is the main colour of the party now or at least the main colour they've used this election. Was wondering if people thought we should update to recognise this. Also asked about this on Talk:2023 New Zealand general election - Wikipedia. Cheers Jakoats02 (talk) 06:55, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  ACT party primary colour