Talk:Matt Santos

message: Could someone help me identify the actress that plays Matt Santos' wife?
: Yeah; it's Teri Polo.  http://westwing.bewarne.com --Baylink 21:20, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Regarding the title congressman v. representative is similar to conversation v. protocol. In the case of Matt Santos, a fictional elected member of the U.S. House of Representatives from Texas, would in conversation be addressed as congressman. While in the Chamber of the House of Representatives or in a historical context, protocol would be used and addressed as Representative Matt Santos of Texas or in the AP style, Rep. Matt Santos (D-TX) which is the style C-SPAN uses.
:So "Congressman" is a form of address, while "Representative" is a title.  Got it. --Baylink 00:03, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  congressman v. representative 

message: Biography section is lifted word-for-word from here.  This likely copyvio will be reverted unless some justification for keeping it is given. -Scm83x 17:49, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the Biography section. David Björklund 08:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Biography section should be restored and merged with the existing article. --Blue387 06:24, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  The biography was intended for promotional purposes.  I'll restore. -Scm83x 06:30, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Information that was created for promotional purposes still has copyright! From http://www.nbc.com/nbc/footer/Privacy_Policy2.shtml:"You may not modify, copy, reproduce, republish, upload, post, transmit, publicly display, prepare derivative works based on, or distribute in any way any material from the Service" (the service being nbc.com). This clearly states that we cannot use the Biography-information. David Björklund 09:07, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: D'oh!  Thanks for keeping me honest!! I'll do the same thing on the Vinick page.-Scm83x 09:17, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography is copyvio 

message: Is this really the correct spelling of his middle name? I know that amongst Spanish-speaking families, the name Vicente (with no n, like Vicente Fox) is used.--Folksong 02:34, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At the Democratic National Convention, President Bartlet introduced Santos as "Matthew Vincente Santos". It would appear that was his middle name. --Blue387 19:46, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe the name "Vincente" is used in Italian (cf. "Vincent" in French), whereas "Vicente" is the usual form in Spanish and Portuguese. 200.177.17.145 00:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Off the top of my head, the video does say President Matthew Vincente Santos User:Itfc+canes=me Talk Sign me! Its good to be back! 15:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vincente??? 

message: I think either the spoiler warning needs moving to the very top of the page, or the sentance "As of April 2006, he is also the President-elect of the United States, having narrowly defeated Senator Arnold Vinick of California in the 2006 election." needs moving below the spoiler warning. As most of the last season is dedicated to the presidential election, I think the outcome is a pretty big spoiler. I was slightly peeved to have seen the outcome with no warning, as I am currently only part way through the last season.
Timb0h 16:24, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move the spoiler warning up? 

message: I don't think enough similarities are present to be able to say Santos is much more similar to Kerry than many other democrats.  The show didn't show Santos stressing military background the way Kerry did, and his most stressed characteristic- hispanic- is of course different, he's also from not just a different background not just in terms of specifics but also generally (social class).  The policy bullet points aren't particularly unique for a democrat.  If you want it back in I'll relent.
* the speech he delivered in a church following the shooting of a black youth by an Hispanic officer was clearly modelled on Robert Kennedy's speech in Indiana following the assassination of Martin Luther King - thus it should be said that Santos is based on a wide range of historical figures  Ben Payton
:*In "Message of the Week" Santos said in an interview (regarding CAFTA) "I voted for it before I voted against it." I think that was a clear reference to Kerry's Iraq vote. However I think its just a reference and I agree with comments above. --Mark83 12:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Similarities to Kerry

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Santosannouncement.jpg

message: I've just watched 2162 votes followed by The Ticket and The Mommy Problem.  In 2162 votes just before Santos goes on stage to give his speech the announcer clearly states he is a graduate of the United States Air Force Academy whereas in The Mommy Problem, Louise Thornton clearly states he attended Annapolis which I believe is the United States Naval Academy.  Being Scottish I may not understand the intricacies of the United States Armed Forces but as I understood it Marine officers do attend the Naval Academy.  Do marine pilots also have to attend the air force academy or is this just one of those oversights that occur in TV programs. (Nimmo27 (talk) 16:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for being patient for 8 years. The inconsistency is mentioned in the article now. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:11, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Air Force Academy or Naval Academy

message: It seems unrealistic that the character Matt Santos was based on Barack Obama considering when the character was written Barack Obama wasn't even a United States Senator. This just seems fairly unlikely.--74.137.229.112 (talk) 04:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They're from AFTER the fact though.  You know, hindsight's 20/20?  I wouldn't say they're excellent sources unless they are from the time the Santos character was created/aired (2005-06).70.92.104.171 (talk) 02:45, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  The IMDB Section suggests that the character first appeared in November 2004 with more regular appearances after that. The wikipedia article on the United States Senate career of Barack Obama states that he was elected to that office in January 2005. I would be willing to trust the sources on the characters article page which suggest that he was based on Obama, even if it's not overt when the character first appears. Unfortunately both my links would be considered unsuitable as article sources Badanagram (attempt) 06:11, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  All the more reason I'm very skeptical about whether the character was REALLY based on Obama.  Again "after the fact" sources don't really count.  It's easy to claim after the fact that Santos was based on Obama from 2008 onward, but when the show/episodes with the character was actually made/aired (2004-05ish?) did they really at the time base it on Obama (at the time he gave a nice 2004 DNC speech but I don't think anyone seriously thought he was a serious Presidential contender so soon)? 70.92.104.171 (talk) 06:12, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Based on Obama?

message: Is it ever stated in any episodes who Santos' predecessors and sucessors were, both as mayor and as congressman? Or is this Wikipedia-inspired creativity? --Hnsampat (talk) 21:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Predecessors and successors 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Tww dnc 2006.jpg

message: I think the "President" infobox should be replaced with the "character" infobox (cf. Josiah Bartlet). Skiasaurus (skē’ ə sôr’ əs) 20:44, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: I don't understand the "primarily in-universe style" label at the top. Is it "in-universe" to describe Santos as a Democratic US Representative when such a thing really does exist? The West Wing uses the same political jargon that is used in the real world, so how is it "in-universe"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Web wonder (talk • contribs) 15:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's "in-universe" for several reasons. First, it's written in past tense instead of present tense. By writing it in past tense, it's treating the fictional character like a real person. We need to rewrite the article in literary present tense. But, more than that, the article is strictly focusing on the plot of the episodes in which Santos plays a part. It doesn't contain any information outside the plot of the series, such as information about how the character was developed and cast, outside character analysis cited in third-party reliable sources, etc. --Hnsampat (talk) 17:33, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  in-universe style? 

message: he looks so weird in the current one  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.137.215 (talk) 00:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  new picture 

message: There is a table listing members of Santos' cabinet. Fair enough, but where have all these dates come from? How do we know Santos serves a second term? How do we know Josh is only around for the first term? Who replaced him?
Is there an official word-of-God source that confirms what happened after the series ended, or has somebody completely made this up?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.119.128 (talk) 00:51, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Presidential Cabinet" 

message: There is no way that Barack Obama could have been used as a model for Matt Santos as the series was over before Barack Obama was elected president or even heard of by most of the country.
This is evidence that Wikipedia is not fact-finding, putting any effort into verifying data, or they themselves are offering fraudulent information and is part of the bought and paid for American media that continually attempts to fill the public’s mind with lies. 2601:81:4000:E420:8DC6:446D:4991:2E1F (talk) 11:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect data!