Talk:Led Zeppelin

message: Am surprised that no one has touched upon the hold that Zep exerted over their fan base in the 70's. Back in that time of limited media coverage (Rolling Stone, Creem, and none in the mainstream) a cany operator like Peter Green clamped the lid down on all media releases concerning his boys. No interviews unless he gave the say-so. No photo op unless he gave the say-so. And everything about the band was molded in that high church 70's hippie archetype. Man, we crawled up the wall for any piece of information concerning the band. And the release of the albums were like the tablets coming down from Sinai. You think I am joking? I was there. Crazy thing is, the damn albums still sound great. Still think the third one is the best.
75.107.248.88 (talk) 22:57, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Mystique of Led Zep 

message: Should heavy metal be removed from the infobox? They are cited as pioneers of the genre, but should Led Zeppelin really be classified as heavy metal, since more of their harder-hitting songs fall under the hard rock genre as well? Music2247 (talk) 15:28, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, see Talk:Deep Purple for rational.  - FlightTime (open channel) 18:15, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

text: I agree 2.119.178.242 (talk) 13:30, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavy metal 

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thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: I made an edit to the Discography section (diff). I replaced the "Main" hatnote with an italicized note below the list of albums that reads, "Note: See Led Zeppelin discography for the band's live and compilation albums. Also see List of songs recorded by Led Zeppelin." I wrote the following explanation for the edit: "Given the controversy/debate regarding the band's "major works" and studio vs. compilation albums (see Talk page), I think it's important to provide clear direction to readers who are looking for the band's *complete* discography." ¶ Is that okay? Or does it run counter to long-established norms or policies for the Discography section? Thanks!   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 23:29, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The way "Main articles: Led Zeppelin discography and List of songs recorded by Led Zeppelin" appeared at the top of the section and now does again is the norm and follows :WP:WPMAG#Discography section. It would probably be more accurate to be titled "Major albums", but that might be a discussion for :WT:WPMAG. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:28, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool - thank you Ojorojo.   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 17:40, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography section 

message: Just when you thought it'd go away... Two different RfCs on whether  Coda is a compilation or studio album have reached opposite conclusions: 1) "There is a clear consensus that Coda should be categorized as a compilation album in this [Led Zeppelin] discography."; 2) "The consensus is that Coda should not be listed as a compilation album [in the main Zeppelin article]." Obviously, this is not a workable outcome, since Coda should be classified one way or the other consistently throughout WP (the album page identifies it as a compilation). Do we need another RfC or ? —Ojorojo (talk) 14:43, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's ask Jimmy Page to arbitrate. ;^]   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I'm a man—traditional male pronouns are fine.) 10:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  More ''Coda'' compilation vs studio 

message: Black Sabbath seems to have influenced Led Zeppelin as well, with John Bonham listening to them and some Led Zeppelin riffs having similarities to Black Sabbath's riffs. Songs like the Rover and The Wanton Song sound exactly like Black Sabbath.
Therefore I think Black Sabbath should be added to the list of Led Zeppelin's influences.
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/bill-ward-talks-about-legendary-black-sabbath-led-zeppelin-jam-session/
""It only happened on one occasion that ZEPPELIN and SABBATH were in the studio at one time, and I think it was in the mid-'70s," said Ward. "We were in sessions I don't remember what album we were working on but it all started when Bonzo [LED ZEPPELIN drummer John Bonham] comes into the studio and sits down at my drum kit and starts playing 'Supernaut'. That was one of our songs that he really liked. It escalated to a pretty crazy situation within about 30 minutes, because not only was Bonzo there, but Robert Plant and John Paul Jones were there as well. Jimmy [Page] wasn't there, but I wish he had been. And Bonzo was kickin' the crap out of my drum kit!" Ward laughed. "I can still hear him playing that intro on the hat, over and over."
: I've never heard any claims that Black Sabbath influenced Led Zeppelin. If anything I'd say it's the other way around, as Zeppelin existed first. As with any additions, just reliably source it if you want to add it. The blabbermouth.net source you provided above won't cut it. SolarFlashDiscussion 19:45, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Considering that both bands formed in the same year, and in the same place, and both made similar music, my perception is that they influenced each other. Many have said that both bands are similar musically. Led Zeppelin did release their debut album a year before Black Sabbath did, but Black Sabbath had already performed War Pigs live, and had written a number of songs including Black Sabbath, Wicked World and Iron Man, according to Geezer Butler. Led Zeppelin probably picked up Black Sabbath's influence as time progressed, just as Deep Purple was influenced by Led Zeppelin despite having already released three albums before Led Zeppelin's debut. Bonham could not have heard Supernaut without listening to the whole album, as the song was never released as a single, and it is probable that both bands checked out each others' music throughout their career. Jimmy Page used at least one Sabbath riff live, from Children of the Grave, if I remember correctly. It is not unlike Jimmy to pay tribute to his influences on stage.
The following links all attest to the fact that Bonham did indeed listen to Black Sabbath and Supernaut was one of his favourite songs:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/readers-poll-the-10-greatest-black-sabbath-songs-14617/7-supernaut-70379/
https://www.loudersound.com/features/black-sabbath-led-zeppelin-story-of-jam-session
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/black-sabbath-led-zeppelin-jam-session/
Muckykarol (talk) 13:25, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

text: OK, but without reliable sources that prove that the band as a whole were inflenced by Black Sabbath, this is just your opinion. So what if the drummer liked a couple of Sabbath songs. SolarFlashDiscussion 14:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

text: Is this a joke? You're trying to use a quote that makes no mention of Black Sabbath whatsoever, and the earlier sources make no assertion whatsoever of what you're claiming. This is clear WP:NOR. You're attempting to make an analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by any reliable source. Either find sources that EXPLICITLY state that Black Sabbath was an influence on Led Zeppelin or find another batle to fight. As of now this is just a waste of time. And are you posting under your account + as an anonymous IP in the same discussion? I'd stop that immediately if I were you. SolarFlashDiscussion 19:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

text: I read through your source and it actually makes a strong case against your point of view. It states the following: "But while Bonham, for one, appreciated Ward's playing on Sabbath's 'Supernaut' and envied Ward's use of two bass drums, the rest of Led Zeppelin had less respect for the foursome", with the foursome in question being Black Sabbath. It continues in the same paragraph: "In interviews of the 1970s Robert Plant dismissed 'groups in England who still rely on riff after riff after riff…  Some audiences can shake and bang their heads on the stage to riffs all night long, but subtlety is an art that must be mastered if you’re to be remembered'." This is taken directly from a paragraph dedicated to Black Sabbath, so there should be no question who Plant is referring to. The same source later describes what Bonham referred to as "Deep Sabbath"; he viewed this music as "sketchy blues-based thud" that was "inane with no mystery to it at all." Then it mentions Page & Jones' disdain for Sabbath's music: "…Page pointing out the lack of 'light and shade' dynamics in competitors like Black Sabbath, and Jones sneering at the 'glowering, Satanic crap' of most metal acts." And again, this is taken from your source. All of this is obviously not the ringing endorsement you'd expect for a band that you're alleging was a major influence upon them. SolarFlashDiscussion 20:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Sabbath, a Led Zeppelin influence? 

message: Add to John Paul Jones’ instrument list: JPJ also played the mandolin “The Battle of Evermore”. 2601:40A:201:2470:F0EC:29EC:C848:1212 (talk) 00:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  01:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2021 

message: Why does this article use the plural for the group viz. "Led Zeppelin were" and "Led Zeppelin have been credited". A singular group should use the singular form. Sideriver84 (talk) 19:50, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: British and American English have different rules for collective nouns; see American and British English grammatical differences. For obvious reasons, the article uses British English. Favonian (talk) 20:02, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

text: I'm gonna groove. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   makes sense, thanks! Sideriver84 (talk) 21:42, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar

message: The article says, "... one of only four acts to earn five or more Diamond albums.[202] "
According to    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_certification#RIAA_Diamond_certifications    only THREE acts have done so. 71.38.10.92 (talk) 07:03, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: There are four, per that list: Eminem, Garth Brooks, Led Zeppelin, and The Beatles. Niftysquirrel (talk) 13:15, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2021 

message: Hello,
On top of the right bar, where the photos of the four members are shown, the order of the names of the members are wrong.
It says "Clockwise from upper left:" The correct order should be: Jimmy Page, John Bonham, John Paul Jones, Robert Plant.
Cheers. 213.74.183.18 (talk) 06:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: The current order seems correct: John Paul Jones is at the bottom left, and thus mentioned last. — LauritzT (talk) 08:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2021 

message: Responding to 's revert edit comment: Except for the death of Bonham, the members of the group have never changed. So there is no point in listing the reunion years. I reverted this addition a year ago by a now blocked user and  also reverted another as "not needed". It seems like details-for-details-sake busy work that just clutters the section and makes it more difficult to read. Why do think it is necessary? —Ojorojo (talk) 17:47, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personnel section 

message: I have made a new cover image for the wiki page and I believe it's better and cleaner than the previous one. Please consider changing it?
[file:///Users/bennettpandrea/Desktop/LedZeppelin.png New cover image] Bennettp22 (talk) 18:10, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: You will have to upload the image, and it will need to have acceptable licensing, including the image or images you created it from. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:15, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2022 

message: I'd like to rise a doubt about the description of the first image appearing in the article. It seems to me that Robert Plant and Jhon Paul Jones names should be swapped to match left-right reading of the picture. 62.18.110.212 (talk) 13:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: - it clearly states "Clockwise from upper left" not "reading left to right", so the descriptions are correct - Arjayay (talk) 13:45, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture Description in the preface 

message: On the photo above the background information box in the top right hand of the page, the hyperlinked "John Paul Jones" redirects to the wrong John Paul Jones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Jones_(musician) needs to be linked as opposed to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Jones. ZzKermit (talk) 07:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: - Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 14:15, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Paul Jones incorrect link 

message: 2604:3D09:3E75:7400:BDB9:BCA2:6D61:BB97 (talk) 16:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you want to change it to? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

text: The only one that would have a chance of being accepted is Led Zeppelin - promotional image (1971).png, unless the requestor has a free image. (if you're referring to the infobox) - FlightTime (open channel) 16:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2024 

message: Please, will you use singular verbs when speaking of singular nouns - i.e. Led Zeppelin WAS rather than WERE. A band is a singular collective entity, not plural.
John Philip Curtis - an old pedant and lover of the English language. 2407:E400:803E:3700:D814:5E7D:2323:EF51 (talk) 18:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: As is clearly explained  - Arjayay (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry sticky keyboard - as per WP:Engvar - Arjayay (talk) 19:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar