Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement/Archive 2

message: That's sad. :( Cookiecaper 06:02, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Hi this project doesn't have anyone working on it.

message: Though I'm not a formal member of this project (or even an informal member!), I do visit a lot of LDS articles.  I just wrote a new stub on the Haun's Mill Massacre.  It needs a lot of work and fact-checking since I wrote it just from what I remember on the incident.  Just thought I'd mention it, edit at will... :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 22:31, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks man. I just edited it a lot. :) Cookiecaper 04:54, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New article

message: So the article Xenu talks about Scientology stuff that some Scientologists aren't supposed to know. I think some of us should do something about that. Isn't there some policy that that violates? I know we'd fight hard if some of things from the Temple were added here that weren't supposed to be. So let's help our Scientology friends, since there doesn't appear to be any here, or any who care. Unless I'm misunderstanding here. But what do you all think? Cookiecaper
:I can't believe Xenu's a featured article—it seems quite hostile (ie, the accusation that Hubbard was on a diet of drugs when he wrote it)—and it does seem to set a kind of precedent. There would be a lot to write about temple ceremonies. The repeated "unveilings" and misinformation about alone could fill an article. I guess if such an article were written we would have to keep it (the stunning support for Xenu suggets that), but we should at least rewrite it in respectful manner without making it into a sideshow. I think that we can have these kinds of articles without going into so much detail about sacred beliefs.
:As for helping scientologists: I think Xenu should be improved simply for the sake of wikipedia. Exposé-like prose is not encyclopedic IMO. Cool Hand Luke 09:00, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: XENU

message: Did you all see the aerial photograph published in the Eldorado Success of the temple dedication at the east end of a Nauvoo-temple-sized foundation at the FLDS YFZ ranch in Schleiser County, Texas? http://www.myeldorado.net/ Tom H. 14:31, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)
Yup - posted some additional info at Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints -Visorstuff 23:53, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow! Is there an LDS news source/board for this kind of thing? I feel out of the loop. Cool Hand Luke 01:50, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/ is a good place to start if you want to track news about various religious movements, including FLDS. -Visorstuff 18:47, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: FLDS temple in Texas

message: You may have noticed that User:John Hamer totally whipped Golden Plates into shape at one sitting yesterday.  I think he is a Real ResearcherTM.  He also touched several articles around that one, all for good.  I thought for a bit he might have plagiarized Grampa Bill's GA pages (that are in turn plagiarized???), but nope, he actually had that much to say at his real desk.  Let's welcome him and hope he stays a good long time. Tom H. 21:22, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)
:Hi.  Thanks for the welcome, Tom.  I'm very impressed with the tone and quality of the articles concering the Latter Day Saint movement here at Wikipedia.  Although I've used it as a reference, I only realized what Wikipedia was about at the beginning of January 2005.  Since then I've been expanding, editing or adding articles in this field of research — especially filling out articles related to the Missouri period and to the smaller denominations in the Latter Day Saint movement.  
:I've also toured many of the Latter Day Saint historic sites and taken pictures, so I've been adding photos.  Now that I see this project page, I'll do better at following these guidelines.  I've created more than a few red-links that I've planned to go fill out, but I'll avoid that.  And I've also created some articles with the subdenominational parantheses e.g., Council of Twelve Apostles (Community of Christ) — I don't know if those should be consolidated into Community of Christ subheadings on Quorum of the Twelve (Mormonism) general categories?  I'll avoid making those in the future. —John Hamer
:Yes yes I like John Hamer. He did a lot with Adam-ondi-Ahman if I recall; I meant to leave a note on his user page, but I never quite got around to it. Welcome, John Hamer. And thank you Tom for helping me say thank you to John Hamer. John Hamer, sorry about not doing that before. :) Cookiecaper 02:55, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:John Hamer]] and [[Golden Plates]]

message: I noticed in reading User:John Hamer's contributions to Martin Harris that he referred to Martin Harris throughout the article as "Martin".  I mentioned that I thought that the natural course of events at Wikipedia would eventually turn those references to "Harris".  But that reminds me of a comment Lavina Fielding Anderson made in her Lucy's Book when dealing with Smiths and Whitmers and Andersons.  She essentially said the typical scholarly convention of referring to individuals by surname simply would not work in some instances in her analyses in Lucy's Book.  So I thought I would propose that we formalize the practical necessity to use first names instead of last names in the articles that deal with families.  Hence, we would sometimes find ourselves using Joseph Jr., Joseph Sr., Lucy, David (Whitmer), Peter Sr., Peter Jr., etc. as short references in some articles.  I feel a little silly that I can't actually think of a need for this policy :-), but I thought I would type it out while I had itr on my mind. Tom H. 23:15, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)
: My first experience with Wikipedia was writing an article about Cheryl Wheeler.  I used "Cheryl" throughout the article since that is what all of her fans call her.  I was told, however, that for an encyclopedia the last name should be used. wrp103 (Bill Pringle)  - Talk 00:22, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Person surnames vs. given names in articles

message: As Tom points out, I've been working on filling out the bios for the Book of Mormon witnesses, beginning with overview articles on the Three Witnesses and the Eight Witnesses.  I've expanded David Whitmer, Martin Harris, John Whitmer, Samuel Harrison Smith, Joseph Smith, Sr. and written little articles for Christian Whitmer, Jacob Whitmer, Peter Whitmer, Jr. and Hiram Page.  Still on the docket:  Hyrum Smith and some additional info on Oliver Cowdery.--John Hamer 04:23, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: My Little Project:  Book of Mormon Witnesses