Talk:Neoshamanism

message: I guess my first problem with the article is the caption on the picture that reads, “A street shaman in Mexico City, an example of neoshamanic practice.”  We don’t know who this guy is or what his background might be.  He could be a fully trained spiritual healer (who we will call a “shaman” even though he probably is not from Siberia) who left his village and moved to the big city to continue his work.  We don’t know, but to label him a “neoshaman” is speculation on our part.  Carptrash (talk) 18:04, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, the photo doesn't belong. It's potentially offensive to this man, his family and community. I'm not convinced the Ayahuasca one does, either. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:17, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed with both of you. The photo seemed culturally insensitive at best. As stated, we don't know if the subject thought of himself as a "shaman" or not. We honestly know little or nothing about the man in the photo. The other one doesn't belong either. --ARoseWolf 19:23, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  the photo 

message: I came across this article by Evgenia Fotiou, The Globalization of Ayahuasca Shamanism and the Erasure of Indigenous Shamanism that may be a possible source re: the critique of neoshamanic tourism and the commercialization of indigenous practices. Looking at her research history on Google Scholar indicates that she has written several articles in academic journals on these topics, for example, On the uneasiness of tourism; Shamanic Tourism and the Commercialization of Ayahuasca; Shamanic Tourism in the Peruvian Lowlands: Critical and Ethical Considerations; Contemporary Pagan and Native Faith Movements in Europe: Colonialist and Nationalist Impulses. Don't know if these are of interest here, but thought I'd share this information.
On another note, I agree the photos should be removed. Netherzone (talk) 19:19, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Added the cite. I think we should add a bit about the (American?) guy who murdered the elder who refused to teach him, and then was murdered by her people. IIRC, that over him trying to set up an Ayahuasca tourism center. I forget which country in was in, though. This was a few years ago. I'll see if I can find the news stories. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 23:30, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , is this the event to which you refer? There are several news stories about a Canadian man who killed an 81 year old female Shipibo-Konibo healer and indigenous rights activist in Peru, who was in turn killed by locals. There are several reliable sources, The Guardian (link above), the BBC, CBC Men's Journal, CBS news, ABC news, Newsweek There are enough sources out there to choose the best two or three for inclusion if there is consensus to add this to the article. -- Netherzone (talk) 15:23, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's the incident I was thinking of. Thanks for gathering those sources. I'll look through them when I get a chance. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible sources for critique of neoshamanism/shamanism tourism 

message: Neo shamanism is far more interesting and credible than this crazed, grievance-studies-authored article would have its readers believe. For example, just read some of Joan Halifax's takes and involvement to comprehend what I'm saying.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:148:1F02:7000:C978:BB70:A2E:A2E6 (talk) 20:26, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  This aritcle is kinda trash