Talk:Hash House Harriers

message: Wanted to point out the major change of removing the glossary of terms. While I don't agree with the editor's comment ("Wikipedia is NOT a dictionary of slang of some social group." Also, "Nobody cares." Professional.) I'm in favor of leaving it deleted, as it's an unwieldy list and prone to disagreements. Additionally, there's a lot of slang in the article itself, so a standalone section seems superfluous. Basseq (talk) 19:57, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of Slang Terms

message: I reverted edits by this user again; he keeps adding the same sentence to the beginning of the history section that repeats information mentioned later. It simply doesn't make sense the way he writes it. If he wants to rewrite the entire history section, that's fine, but he needs to do a thorough job. However, I think these edits are less editorial and more of a sleight of hand to cover his link spamming. He seems to be associated with Maliboro HHH, since he keeps spamming this page with links. (It's become informal policy on this page not to link or mention specific kennels.) Basseq (talk) 17:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: User:Rmtrmtho

message: I have re-added in a more mature manner some important caveats / warnings to those who are learning about Hashing from this valuable educational tool.  The purpose of these tools is to provide honest and complete information about the subjects, not to dress the dog and pretend Hashing is virtually a family event. It is important to recognize that all 'kennels' are not as wild as others.  For those who may have an alcohol problem or tendancy towards one it is critical that we do not destroy their lives for our enjoyment.
My personal experience with Hashing is extensive and global.  I have finally removed myself from the club and have started on an alcoholism recovery program.  Hashers work very hard to hide the extensive decadence that makes Hashing the sophmoric activity it is.  Sex and alcohol play major roles in Hashing and normal behavioral 'rules' are deliberately cast aside at Hashes.  In many more than a few Hashes 'uncomplicated sex' has followed the drinking and risque behavior. Often between two members who 'hit it off' at the Down-Down, but ocassionally on a much grander scale. The reality is Hashing has destroyed many relationships because of the 'lapse' of thinking in the 'mob' environment that comes with these high energy gatherings.  We all now how these events often erupt is joyous decadence, the wost instance I experienced degraded into a virtual strip club and orgy.  Of course I thought it was great fun at the time, but the next day found both my wife and I having violated each others trust and severely damaging ou relationship.  As a result, it is my belief that we must begin to be truthful so that innicent 'virgins' are not pulled into something they will regret, as I do, for the rest of their lives.  For those who have no problems with raucus behavior Hashing is nirvana, but we must be truthful with others and ourselves.  Many of my Hashing friends are individuals whose careers require travel.  The draw to Hashing is the high probability of finding some quick fun while on the road that no one will ever know about because of the use of aliases.  This was the original intent of creating the Hashers names and the non-rule of not using real names.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.30.107.85 (talk) 04:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is overdoing things a bit. Sure, there can be some casual sex at hash gatherings but realistically, it's less than originates from nightclubs and single's bars.BarryNL (talk) 22:09, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have been Hashing for well over 37 years (since I was born), and although I have heard of these things happening, this is making it sound like it is the core of the Hashing community. It isn't. While there are communities of Hashes that do promote sex, it is a small part of the Hash. With the Hash growing and attracting more and more people, these stories are becoming more frequent. That is why I pretty much only attend Mixed or Family Hashes. Stories like these are giving the Hash a terrible name. My sister, mother, and daughter are all Hashers and none of them have experienced what you're saying... and they are extensive Hashers. I myself have over 3,500 runs across multiple kennels globally under my name including 4 Interhashes. Tuckermcgaw (talk) 09:34, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sensitive Content

message: Should Hash club redirect here?  Aardhart 22:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hash club 

message: Descriptive text following certain links under Further Reading and International HHH Club Contact Information ("International Edition"; "Worldwide Hashing Information Portal") are promotional advertising and should be deleted.  If no one objects, I will revisit the entry in a couple of days and delete the descriptive text.
The "Hare of the Dog" link (under Further Reading) connects to an advertising site, not a content site, and is of no use to anyone looking for freely available information on the Hash House Harriers.  I have deleted this link.
Paul woodford 05:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on Neutrality 

message: Hash Club should be removed or linked to Hash House Harriers.  It appears only one author wrote the Hash Club.  Cold Water, what changed is off of the subject and I agree unencyclopedic even though what really is.  Joshuawilliamson 11:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: I believe this article has done a fairly good job, making a small article taking bits and pieces from various sites.  However, trying to keep up with links of clubs would be a pretty impossible job here.  I track over 1700 clubs and the clubs themselves put in 200-300 corrections a month.  Since my site is already linked, as well as other directory sites, that should be sufficient.  In my previous post here, I did not understand the concept that anyone can change it.  On that basis, if hashes have a complaint, like with my own directory, they can add their info or correct it.  Weird letting a bunch of drunken hashers loose on info like this - you never know what it will turn out like.  Stray Dog, webmaster http://www.gthhh.com, editor of Global Trash.
:I think your suggestion to dump this page, and merely link to yours, is utterly insane.
::Missing The Point: Stray Dog is not suggesting removing the article and linking to his site exclusively, that would be silly. He is remarking that trying to link to each club/kennel's site and keep it current would be a Sisyphean task -- as it is discussed in the topic below -- and would take far too many pages and end up with many redundancies. So it makes sense to add in links to some of the comprehensive directories in the external links section. I'm also sure that SD has learned a bit more about the wonderful world of Wiki since he posted that. Guavagirl 08:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  HHH Subject Too large for a Small Article with Limited Links 

message: If any hashes have their own Wikipedia pages, shouldn't we just have a separate page with a List of Hash Groups and have no external links to individual hashes, not even DC or San Diego. Aardhart 22:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While on the one hand I would like to see my local hash have its own Wikipedia page I can also see how the details relating to the founding and operation of an individual hash would be of interest to too few people to justify a page.  I’m inclined to just post such a history to my own hash’s site rather than take up Wikipedia space with it.  But then again I don’t know much about anything. -Farakon 23:55, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I've removed all but four, as per Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links and WP:EL. ShakingSpirittalk 16:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of individual Hashes, leaving Larger H3 Sites linking 

message: I didn't add that particular cleanup tag, but I do see what the editor who did meant. At times this article reads more like an "Aren't HHH fun guys?" site than anything else. There's plenty of interest here, and the subject is clearly notable, but - for example - the "How it is done" section seems almost ridiculously detailed for a general encyclopedia. Some inline referencing would be useful, too. Loganberry (Talk) 00:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone 

message: I am not sure whether there may be some US-prudish Wikipedia rule that forbids it but writing about the Hash without once mentioning its strong sexual connotations seems a trifle strange. I'd estimate that well over half of all "hash names" contain strong sexual connotations, the rest refer to something anal and a few are neutral. Quite a few of the traditions include nudity and exhibitionism. This element of bawdiness is very much part of the image and self-advertising of many Hashes.
At least for a substantial minority of Hashers the social side of Hash weekends is also about getting a chance to uncomplicated sex.
Is there some policy behind leaving all this out?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.202.106.187 (talk) 07:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hash and Sex 

message: Someone added On-Down as a name for a post-hash event. It's really not. See here. Basseq (talk) 18:11, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  On-Downs 

message: Perhaps it's a regional thing, but the definition provided of a "check back" (or back check) doesn't quite match my experience - it's not the same as a false trail, it's a mark to count back X number of hash marks (with the final mark becoming a de facto check).  That's not the most succinct way of putting it, so if anyone else wants to take a stab at it, go for it.  Unless my kennel is wildly outside the mainstream, in which case...never mind.JesterDel (talk) 14:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard of clubs marking "back checks/check backs" with a number corresponding to the number of marks to follow backwards before the true trail. In my hash, a "back check" usually means that the hashers should turn around and follow the trail back until they find a mark that would only be visible to going the opposite direction of the way they came (i.e. on the back side of a street sign or lamp post). Still other hashes make no differentiation between "back check" and a false trail, both marks directing the hashers to return to the last "open check" and search for true trail. I'm not sure how this article should handle such regional variations.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.64.101.176 (talk) 05:45, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Check back definition? 

message: The title of this section is misleading.  It should be titled "Interhash" or "Interhashing."
There is no history of interhashing prior to 1978.  It might be helpful to readers to include some information on how the first IH (Hong Kong, 1978) came to be.
At this point it is misleading to list locations for upcoming Interhashes (2012 and 2014), so perhaps these shouldn't be listed at all.  Perhaps a short note could be added, explaining how future venues are selected at Interhash. 
Paul woodford (talk) 15:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on the "Worldwide Interhational Hash" section 

message: The Hash House Harriers article provides general information about hashing and is written with a non-hashing audience in mind.  The "Terms" section, which gets down to a nuts & bolts level of detail, doesn't fit with the general tone of the article and should be removed.  If we insert one section containing highly detailed information into this general interest article, why then not add sections listing links to all known hash kennels, a hash songbook, or a list of hash names?
This is what "external links" are for, and all this detailed information is amply covered by the external links already included.
Paul woodford (talk) 15:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree - I think the terms should probably go as the information is too specific for an encyclopedia. I've taken out a number of items which are obscure or seem to be only used be a subset of hashes, but I think the whole table should probably go.BarryNL (talk) 08:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terms 

message: I don't think the article, as presently written, is organized correctly.  My suggestion:
1. Organization
2. History
3. Traditions
4. Trails
5. Events
6. Interhashing
7. References
8. External Links
Other suggestions and notes:
- The "Terms" section should be eliminated, but the "Signals & Terms" subsection under "Trails" should be retained.
- The "Variations" subsection under "Events" should be moved under "Traditions." 
- The "Worldwide International Hash" section should be renamed "Interhashing."
- "References" should really be incorporated into "External Links."
Earlier today I added some discussion points under my Paul woodford user name.  Sorry, I forgot that I had another user account set up under my hash name!
Flying Booger (talk) 19:25, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overall Article Organization 

message: The article is severely lacking in verifiable source. Almost every sentence or pragmatic is not sourced or sourced to a personal web page or blog. As such the article is seems highly subjective and unreliable. I know that there books  and articles  about the organiztaion. I suggest a comlete re-write based on actual sources.Hq3473 (talk) 16:03, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: References

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message: British hasher Amnesia researched the often-told story of Gus Mackey founding the Bordighera Hash House Harriers in Italy in 1947. His research is here: http://slideonline.com/presentation/5686-bordighera-h3-pdf/#/0.
Amnesia's conclusion is that Gus Mackey did not exist and that the entire story is a hoax. I will not repeat his points here since they are spelled out in his linked paper. In short, however, Amnesia could find no evidence that Gus Mackey existed. He did not hash in Kuala Lumpur before WWII; he is not listed in British military records; there are no records of anyone with that or a similar name being a POW in Italy during WWII; there are no Italian municipal records of his existence after WWII. Without Gus Mackey, the rest of the story of Bordighera H3 crumbles.
I suggest, therefore, that the sentence mentioning Bordighera H3 be removed from the History section.
Flying Booger (talk) 16:39, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bordighera H3 

message: The jargon term "kennel" – presumably for a pack of "hounds"? – appears twice in one section, and I've marked it as needing further explanation.  I don't recall hearing the term used for the Kota Kinabalu, Sabah Hash group during the mid -1970s  when we lived there.  But that was a long time ago!  yoyo (talk) 13:49, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  To confirm, "Kennel" is the common use to describe differing chapters/clubs/groups (etc.) in the Hashing world. Officially, the term 'Chapters' is commonly used. I had a huge tiff about this with Tumbling Bill (who created the Hash genealogy) but he merely stated that he was going by the 'official' terminology as per legal requirements since the word 'kennel' isn't common in the legal vernacular and that the Hash Heritage Foundation (which now runs/manages the Genealogy amongst other things) needed to comply with that requirement to get itself registered. So, there you go. Tuckermcgaw (talk) 11:48, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jargon 

message: Its a arabic name
MEANING: climb to top (to climb toward success) Hasher22 (talk) 07:38, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a reliable source such as a newspaper or book that says this, go ahead and add it in with a citation to that source. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:12, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hasher 

message: I think that there should be a link to Bill "Tumbling" Panton's opus The Hash Genealogy. I am not sure who is currently keep the database updated and alive, but if it was updated and alive then it would be a great resource for kennels, etc. As of now, the Hash Heritage Foundation is maintaining it to some extent. Maybe also mention that the HFH is also (re)building the Hash House as a project in Malaysia. Tuckermcgaw (talk) 07:24, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hash Geneology