Talk:Dalarna

message: Dalarna is or Dalarna are? Dalarna is a plural name, therefore I think we should use the verbs in plural or change it to Dalecarlia.
:If we can have "The Netherlands is" four times in the intro of the Netherlands article, then we can have "Dalarna is" as well. -- Jao 12:23, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This place name is singular, even if the word that it's based on is plural. SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plural? 

message: User:Lordmetroid inserted the tag "It has been suggested that this article or section be merged with Dalarna county." into the article about the province of Dalarna. But province=landskap and county=län in the system of swedish administration is not the same, as you surely know as a native speaker of Swedish. So it doesn't make sence to mix the articles about the historical landskap and the modern administrative unit län, even if in the case of Daralna the province "has virtually the same boundaries as the corresponding" county, as all the articles about provinces and counties are linked.
OK?
ThomasPusch 06:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really know what is meant by "virtually" here. Dalarna, just as Blekinge and Gotland (but no other provinces ) is exactly geographically identical to its county. However, that's certainly not a good reason to merge the articles. They might be about the same area, but just as you point out, they're about very different concepts. As Lordmetroid now seems to agree, I will simply remove the tag. -- Jao 07:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are different, the top right "ear" on the map is part of the landskap, but not the län (I might recall this backwards, but either way, that "ear" is what differs). It's not like anyone lives there, so it's not an issue of huge importance, though.212.85.68.44 11:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, I should have read the article first, as the "virtually" is defined clearly. It seems that Dalarna's County Council and Statistics Sweden disagree on the borders of Dalarna. I just sent an inquiry to the former asking for an explanation of this. -- Jao 08:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I should update about this. I had simply missed a footnote at the bottom of the cited Statistics Sweden page, saying that split parishes had not been taken into account. Since then, that page has been updated to show the correct numbers even in such cases. As it turns out, of Dalarna's 276,000 inhabitants, 329 live in Gävleborg County, 176 in Västmanland County, 37 in Värmland County, and 5 Dalecarlians probably feel very special for living in Örebro County. The other way around, Dalarna County includes 204 people in Västmanland, 7 in Härjedalen, 5 in Hälsingland and 2 in Gästrikland. All numbers from 2006. -- Jao 12:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  landskap = län? 

message: They're the same thing, and that article is smaller. Even if there are subtle differences in boundary (which can be noted), the province and the county are almost identical things. The physical realities and histories are shared. LokiClock (talk) 15:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No. They are two different entities. Dalarna (landskapet Dalarna) is a historical province without any administrative or politcal significance. Dalarna county (Dalarnas län) is a presentday administrative subdivision of Sweden under a governor (landshövding). In the case of Gotland there are even three different entities (a province, a county and a municipality) all with the same territory, but with three different articles.--Muniswede (talk) 23:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't remove a merge template until there is a consensus. The point of them is to raise awareness with other editors so they can have their say. The difference between a county, historical province, and administrative subdivision is not the issue. The issue is whether or not this particular historical province needs a separate article from the county with the same name and mostly the same territory. Consider the article for China. China itself has a much more volatile territorial, political, and historical definition, but that doesn't mean every possible way you can cut up the country needs its own article. When people read about the county they should learn about its history in the same place. LokiClock (talk) 09:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly doubt that there could ever be a consensus for a merger. Everybody in Sweden knows that landskap and län are two quite different concepts which should not be messed up. There are 25 landskap (historical or traditional provinces) and there are 21 län (administrative provinces, normally translated as "counties" in English). Sometimes they have the same name (12 cases). But only in two cases they have the same boundaries (Blekinge - Blekinge County and Gotland - Gotland County. In this case Dalarna County is not congruent with Dalarna. Parts of Dalarna are in other counties, but Dalarna County also includes parts of other provinces. Even if the differences in some cases are small it is much better not to mix up the things! --Muniswede (talk) 22:22, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, since you'd know better than I, I added  templates. LokiClock (talk) 10:06, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Dalarna County]] with this 

message: To have a section on the place's heraldry, complete with blazon, yet without emblazoning it, is, to me, illogical and not at all helpful. Caeruleancentaur (talk) 16:15, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand what you're saying, I'm afraid - I don't know that much about heraldry. The section describes the arms and there it is at the top of the infobox, including all the details in the description. Can you explain a bit more clearly what we're lacking? Yngvadottir (talk) 16:54, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heraldry picture 

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