Talk:Lumpenproletariat

message: Why is there a link to "chav" on this page?  Chav is just a way of acting, lifestyle, you can have three jobs and dress and act silly.  If someone agrees, could you remove that link?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.29.63.139 (talk) 23:37, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Chav

message: One statement in the article is that the homeless are not included in the traditional Marxist use of the term. However, Marx clearly included beggars in the category of the lumpenproletariat, and indeed they were part of the Bonapartist demographic. Granted, homelessness as a category is far broader than what we might think of as the street-dwelling homeless (and, in fact, includes many working people.) At the same time, there is a significant intersection between the street-dwelling homeless and the lumpenproletariat. Should we clarify this? Excluding homeless people from the lumpenproletariat - mostly in the interest, I think, of preserving their dignity - strikes me as misleading.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.159.13 (talk) 22:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Homeless

message: Perhaps it should be added that in common academic usage today, 'lumpenproletariat' normally refers to the  undifferentiated masses -- as Marx puts it in his description of peasant nations, they are (or have become) “homologous magnitudes, much as potatoes in a sack form a sackful of potatoes.” 82.111.242.154 (talk) 03:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: common usage

message: talin's brutal purge i changed to Stalin's great purge. I think it goes without saying that the Great Purge was brutal, we shouldn't treat the readers as idiots plus they can read up through the link and make out for themselves if it was brutal or not. --193.190.253.149 15:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I've made a little change

message: The infobox contains both an entry for "Lumpenproletariat" and one for "underclass". Yet, "underclass" redirects to "lumpenproletariat", and I'm unsure of whether the terms should be considered synonymous. 惑乱 分からん 14:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: Any chance we could have a redirectory from lumpenprole to lumpenproletariat?  I found it hard to find a definition of lumpenprole using search engines.
68.50.233.253 03:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Slang 

message: Why does it redirect here? It's not the same as lumpen, but instead refers to those who do work when they can and try to avoid descention into same.JBDay 16:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Subproletariat

message: "In Marx's The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon (1852), the term refers to the 'refuse of all classes,' including 'swindlers, confidence tricksters, brothel-keepers, rag-and-bone merchants, organ donors, beggars, and other flotsam of society.'"
Why are organ donors lumped in with the refuse of society?  I thought organ donation was a noble, not shady, affair. Jasonc65 10:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To quote Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge: "What a big organ!" 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 07:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Organ Donors, huh?

message: All who support left revolution,socialism,etc. are in some sense Marxists. It's not however correct that there's uniformity in regarding the underclass as useless or a negative factor within Marxist currents. My impression is that the anarchist perception/reception of the role of this class is closer to one held by most "Marxists" today. Lycurgus (talk) 12:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Marxist as a category

message: The Revision as of 11:24, 18 July 2005  by User:172 
added a passage, according to which in The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte,
:the term refers to the 'refuse of all classes,' including 'swindlers, confidence tricksters, brothel-keepers, rag-and-bone merchants, organ-grinders, beggars, and other flotsam of society.' 
As a search engine run shows, this text passage, while it has been cited frequently in the Web, cannot be backed with a source where it possibly was cited from in the first place. The passage from The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte actually reads different. I've put in a quotation instead, that can be proven.
--Liberatus (talk) 01:05, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unprovable replaced with provable quote 

message: Many other classes listed here are more or less understandable(though I really don't accept most of Marx's idea), but why is literati listed alongside them is something I can't quite get. Even if what he means is actually "Bohemian artistic people" it still seems to be way far off, because in essence Bohemian artists are very different from all the other classes. They are actually living a very respectable and fascinating and also totally harmless, even very conducive life in relation with the society. Would anybody give me a little bit of an further explanation on this? Thanks a lot.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anon J (talk • contribs) 02:06, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literati? 

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