Talk:Doctor Octopus

message: I removed the following from the article because I don't think RPG stats belong in Wikipedia.  Since large numbers of these "vital stats" sections have been added to various articles, I'm using Talk:Strength level (comics) to discuss this in general.
*Name: Otto Octavius
*Height: 5'9"
*Weight: 190 lbs.
*Hair: Brown
*Eyes: Brown
**Intelligence Level: Genius
**Strength level: Normal
**Strength Level of Harness: Superhuman Class 20 (can press 40,000 lbs.)
**Endurance Level: Normal
**Stamina Level: Normal
**Speed: Normal
**Speed Level of Harness: Superhuman
*Special Limitations: Dr. Octopus is near-sighted to the extent that he is legally blind without the aid of his eye-glasses. He suffers from neurosis. Bryan 08:14, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: RPG stats

message: Is there any reason at all as to why there isn't a specific page for Alfred Molina's Otto Octavius? Mainly on the grounds that Willem Dafoe's Norman Osborn got his own page?Austin012599 (talk) 22:47, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a draft at Draft:Otto Octavius (Sam Raimi film series), you can help expand that so we can move it to the mainspace sooner. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:24, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Please start a split request instead and gain consensus on: 1) whether there should be a separate topic  2) what the title should be: Doctor Octopus (Marvel Cinematic Universe), Doctor Octopus (film character), Doctor Octopus (Sam Raimi film series), Doctor Octopus in film, etc.   Please do not resubmit or backdoor submit the draft anymore. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:41, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  @ @ @ Done. Just requested the split to Otto Octavius (film character), which we can discuss below.--WuTang94 (talk) 23:22, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor Otto Octavius (Sam Raimi film series) 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Otto Octavius (film character) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 19:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This move discussion is closed. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:42, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: I know that Draft:Otto Octavius (film character) has been rejected multiple times due "being a copy" of this main page, but since the first rejection in July 2021, the draft has been significantly improved, and there are several points in the draft about the portrayal of Dr. Octopus in the films that are unique to the film version of the character (or rather, the Raimiverse version. Who knows if there will be another one in the future?)
Even if said points are present in the main Doc Ock page, the page has already been critiqued as too long to read comfortably. By spinning off much of the information on the film version of Doc Ock into its own page, this would serve to tidy up the main Doc Ock page in my opinion--WuTang94 (talk) 23:29, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Heath Ledger’s Joker who only had one? Keep in mind Octavius was one of the most acclaimed villain portrayal before the Heath’s Joker came out. Jhenderson 777 17:47, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not much an issue on the Batman related articles. Selina Kyle (1989 film series character) and Joker (The Dark Knight) for instance is one film appearance. Also Gwen Stacy (The Amazing Spider-Man film series) is two appearances too.  I would hardly even Dafoe’s Norman Osborn hallucination cameos as very vital appearances either. But ignoring that other articles exist (Yes I am aware of the argument to avoid deletion guideline about that)…character appearances doesn’t seem to negate notability guidelines anyway. More like a POV reasoning. I do realize he is an adapted character of an already existed article and all so it not high importance. But I need more argument than that then to change my mind that the article doesn’t need mainspace. Jhenderson 777 20:35, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Doctor Octopus in other media is not a bad idea. Same with Gwen Stacy maybe too. Especially with the popularity of Spider-Gwen. Though we don’t need to rush that. Jhenderson 777 20:39, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

text: I am also thinking the title used so far is still the better title. Since that is what is done with JK Simmon's J. Jonah Jameson’s character article so far. Jhenderson 777 20:44, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

text: * Support per WuTang94; this is mainspace ready already. And Angus: you do know that Alfred Molina plays the exact same Otto Octavius from Spider-Man 2 in Spider-Man: No Way Home, picking up moments later for him from the events of the film, pulled in before he would have drowned? Separate pages per film would be like proposing different pages for Norman Osborn (Sam Raimi film series) and Norman Osborn (Marvel Cinematic Universe). It is the same version of the character played by the same actor. 89.19.88.142 (talk) 22:46, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  , then you could use the actor's name as the disambiguator: Otto Octavius (Alfred Molina) as with Joker (Heath Ledger)  Otherwise you might have to account for the animated film series, which Molina might or might not be involved in.  AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:34, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Doctor Octopus in film would also work, as per Spider-Man in film. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:38, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally think the same bracketed title from Norman Osborn would work better. If we do Doctor Octopus in film then we would have to add the Spider-Verse female version too. Which is not as related. Jhenderson 777 01:46, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

text: I will ping admin . Who was involved with similar projects.  Maybe he can decide the outcome of the consensus. Jhenderson 777 14:36, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it's generally a bad idea to seek out a specific admin to close a discussion, as it suggests forum shopping for an outcome. That said, consensus is clear and well-supported here, so I'll go ahead with it (more as an AfC-reviewer than as an admin, though). BD2412 T 14:47, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yikes My bad! Not my intention. A assumed I anyone else would assume good faith and that I boldly did it because there was a delay on an verdict.  I had a concern there was some kind of concern. So it’s unsurprising. Definitely on this topsy turvy day for me.  But still again my apologies, . Jhenderson 777 15:14, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

text: Please shorten the film character material from this article as it will be covered in depth by the (film character) article. Also provide copied-from and copied-to template when moving material. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:51, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Official'' split proposal 

message: : Please shorten the film character material from this article as it will be covered in depth by the (film character) article. Also provide copied-from and copied-to template when moving material. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:51, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup tag