Talk:Sydney Technical High School

message: All Old Boys worth their tie-tags ought to know and remember Mr Booth, former Science Head Teacher, Prefect Advisor and all round good guy (and train fanatic). Having been with the school for a four decades and influenced generations of students it seems logical that there should be more information about him here (currently there is none).
More recent students may remember Mr Quill, would it be inappropriate to include a short reference to the prohibited weapons list, specifically, the whip joke? Discuss. (1000 words, 15% of final mark) 
On a more serious and related note, Mr Quill once gave a speech about the origis of the motto 'Manners Maketh Man', the Tech version of Triple M ought to be expanded out, or at least linked to the appropriate page. Manners, in the original sense of the word, meant more than simply etiquette and this should be explained.
Going back a bit further, I specifically recall listening to an Old Boy recall the stairs at the original Ultimo school building and how the floors and stairs were all wooden and very creaky (was there a reference to this in the old school song lyrics?). I believe it would be a good idea to try and gather more information to fill out the history section of this article while we still have access to invaluable living memories.
Also, having been in the SRC and Interact, but not having been a prefect (my therapist says I am getting over it) I'd like to see people who have been members of other student bodies about the school contribute information about them.
There appears to be no mention of the possibly unique scheduling structure of the Sydney Tech day, namely, the 4 75-minute periods that make up each day, which is a striking contrast to the period structure of other DET schools. 
Another point of discussion is how much cultural information should be preserved in this article, I think that this article should do more than just provide information on what the school is. By providing information on the culture, humour and people of Sydney Tech we can help people appreciate what made Tech special (or different, at least). So lets write up and structure everything in an informative manner and then tell them what those things actually meant to techies.
Finally, SGGHS doesn't have an article on Wikipedia as of this time. I need say no more.
--I 16:12, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  discussion points, ideas and items for inclusion 

message: This page will be temporarily semi-protected as a measure against the latest rounds of vanity appearing on this page. enochlau (talk) 03:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "...this enoch person..." - is that how you address people in person? enochlau (talk) 12:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well no; I reserve that for people who appear to act unilaterally without discussion. Tony 12:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Be aware of civility, Tony. The above comment, as well as that struck below, hardly make for constructive discussion.--cj | talk 14:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: Could an Old boy please add some information about the construction on that magnificent brick wall as featured in the photograph? Grumpyyoungman01 01:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Child labor, brick wall 

message: Enochlau, you haven't yet specified the reasons for your unilateral action in semiprotecting this article. I note that this has occurred more than once.
Did you go through the correct channels? Please provide a link so that we can inspect them; I can't locate reference to this article on the protection page, either current or archived.
We need to know that  you're not abusing the correct processes of WP.
Tony 03:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did notice that you temporarily addressed Enoch as "echidna" - please desist, editing WP is a privilege not a right. If you abuse it by attacking other contributors they will be withdrawn.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 03:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, get a life, dude. It was a mistake, which I corrected. Chill out. Tony 03:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? I noticed on cj's page as well. Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 04:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: In case you haven't noticed, the semi-protection rationale has been stated above. enochlau (talk) 05:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What, "latest rounds of vanity"? No, I mean the stated criterion. Was the semiprotection listed properly at the time? I tried to have an article that was being vandalised daily semiprotected, and was refused ("not frequent enough" was the response). I'd like to see the process: please provide a link. Tony 06:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  valid semiprotections? 

message: I read with interest the discussion about the removal of a link to the class of '84 website from the WP articla on Sydney Technical High School.  First let me declare my interest as Senior Prefect 1984.   The desire to remove the link seems to stem from the claim that it is "unencyclopedic", and could only have interest to those of us who attended at that time.  Jens suggests that it should stay as it doesn't contravene any WP rules and in no way affects the flow of the WP article.  An apparently neutral contributor to this page felt that the onus should be on those who wish to include it to extol its virtues, but also that (despite the frayed tempers and regrettable incivilities) they currently had the stronger arguments.
Having recently studied the 84 site, I would like to speak in favour of its re-inclusion:
There is an impressive array of verifiable information about the school and its history which is in now way specific to the class of 84.  In five minutes I viewed a photo of the Sir Charles Kingsford Smith Memorial (which resides in the auditorium foyer), letters from two Australian Prime Ministers (Sir Robert Menzies and John Gorton), an article from former School Captain and Olympic swimmer John Konrads (not from anywhere near 1984), a photograph of the very first teachers of the school in 1911, a list of every teacher who had ever worked at the school up until 1985 (including positions held).  The accuracy of these are all verifiable from the school journals and the newletter "Tech Talk".  I could see none of this information in 30 minutes of searching the official school website (which is linked to the WP article).  I'm sure that there is much more that I didn't have time to look at, but I want to show that the Jens link is much more than a collection of 1984 memorabilia.  My view is that the link stands out because it such a detailed piece of work in a narrow field of interest.  I'd like to be able to have this level of detail available in any search, as long as it doesn't get in the way of more general searches.
With respect to the Neutral Point Of View policy, I would think that links such as the official Sydney Tech school website have a bigger problem here than the 84 link, as the school site has an ongoing mission to promote the school, trumpeting it's highs and sweeping its lows under the carpet.  As a school teacher myself, I place a great value on the impression of the students as to the quality of a school.  Since no-one has felt the need even to warn against propaganda from the official school site, I think that it is quite inconsistent to completely remove all mention of an alternative site that has much work that is verifiable, contains many images of general historical value which are not included on the school site, and is written from a NPOV.  Granted the site also contains much that would normally be of interest to a select few; I don't know whether this make the link unencyclopedic - I would like to hear the view of others, and think it reasonable that Tech High boys (I was never called a "Techie" - perhaps I should edit the WP article?) should declare their hand.
Rhysw 05:09, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I must say I have previously experienced enochlau's propensity to remove/add semi protection willy nilly without consultation or proper discussion. I genuinely (but admittedly mistakenly) tried to update the STHS page with what I thought was a notable person. Enochlau decided to semi-protect without consultation. I fear that he rules Wikipedia to his own personal preferences and agenda rather than the consensus approach that is central to Wikipedia. 203.3.197.249 07:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Value of the 84 link 

message: I have noticed many people editing this the Sydney Technical High School article, and getting all the information wrong. why not use a reliable source of information, a student or teacher, as they will know exactly what is happening in Sydney Tech. If any editing is done, make sure you have check that the information is corrected by a student or teacher of Sydney Tech, like me
Efansay 10:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's all nice and good but to be even better, everything should be referenced: WP:VERIFY. enochlau (talk) 12:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to ensure precise information on Sydney Tech High 

message: Just a note that the school has a new principal, Mrs Lyons, as of term 3. This means that the deputies return to Mr Dando and Mr McNaught. I shall be making the change now, just for reference. ☺EfansayT/C☺ 01:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Principals and Deputies 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:SydTech.JPG

message: there are a lot of NPOV issues. e.g."ranks consistently high in the hsc". i've removed this--Welcome to the dark side. (talk) 15:02, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I'll come back to this from time to time to list my cleanups and the reasons why
FACILITIES
As much as Wikipedia appreciates your despair at your unsuccessful swimming pool, this information is unnecessary. The swimming pool is gone, therefore no longer part of the facilities. Similarly, a 'quadrangle' is kind of a standard in every school and is thus not counted as a facility either. 
EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES
*Prefect and Executive positions are mentioned later in the article - and besides, they are not extra-curricular
*School intranet team is gone - you cannot postpone the deletion of material until the material's truth comes back. If it comes back, you can put it on here
*All schools have a peer support program
*"*Writers in Residence - A ten week course, held annually, in which a professional writer helps to hone students' writing skills, temporarily cancelled due to lack of participants." - self-explanatory
*everyone has the ANU maths day
SPORTS
no need to divide up into season, time of week, time of day etc.
PREFECTS
removed when the prefects have tea and inner etc. - self explanatory
SRC
every school has an SRC so please do not detail the voting process or the number of students etc.
--Welcome to the dark side. (talk) 01:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: From the previous information on the article, it was implied that there was no swimming pool. However, if you want to edit the article to include this information, you may - on one condition. Cite a source. I'll leave it at that.--Welcome to the dark side. (talk) 14:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The school pool was actually recently filled and covered with turf. It's finally gone after falling into disuse for several years. It should also be worth noting that the school's Centenary is this year.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubik's Maniac (talk • contribs) 14:19, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article cleanup as per [[WP:WPSCH/AG]] 

message: Warren Daly does not have an English Wikipedia article to show his individual notability. He is a member of the notable group Daly-Wilson Big Band but that is not sufficient. Meters (talk) 00:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Meters (talk) with all respect, I feel this point is both pedantic and incorrect. He is not merely a "member" of the notable group Daly-Wilson Big Band as you've said above. He is one of the two founders, as the article shows, and most importantly the group is named after him, being named after its two founders, plus his name comes first (admittedly that could be incidental for alphabetical reasons, but still his name is 50% of the notable group's name). I aver this confers the notability of the individual way above being a mere "member" of a notable group. Can we have a third or more voice on this please, as I am just repeating what I said in edit summaries and so is Meters (talk).Walton22 (talk) 00:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Needs to have his own article to be considered notable. Adding him as alumni with primary sources doesn't cut it. LibStar (talk) 01:37, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: LibStar (talk) I really don't think a Wikipedia article is the only litmus test of notability for inclusion on a list of notable alumni! It is merely incidental that nobody has written an article about him yet. He qualifies for one as per WP:NOTABLE. He has received an Order of Australia Award "For service to music as band leader and drummer", see 1991_Queen%27s_Birthday_Honours_(Australia)#General_Division_4. I will add his name to the alumni list again, but this time appending this post-nominal and its citation, which I think ends the discussion.Walton22 (talk) 01:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll also put it on my to-do list to create the missing and needed article Warren Daly. It would be unassailable under WP:NOTABLE Walton22 (talk) 02:03, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet another reversion I see. Ok, guys, I'll write the article Warren Daly then add him back to the alumni list. Since the only objection here turns on the current lack of his own WP article (when clearly the subject qualifies for BLP!) the need for consensus here will then be obviated when the article appears.Walton22 (talk) 02:33, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll close this discussion as Warren Daly does now have an English Wikipedia article to show his individual notability. Walton22 (talk) 07:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumnus