Template talk:Navbox musical artist

message: Please add an hCard microformat by including the following code:

|bodyclass = vcard
|titleclass= {{Infobox musical artist/hCard class|{{{background|}}}}}

The latter line sets the  to fn for individuals and fn org for groups; and is based on the code use in . Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 21:53, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there consensus for this change? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:05, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Disabled request, as no response. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:17, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Yes. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Because he says so :/ —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 21:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It caused massive page corruptions with articles that have other templates. Namely Dolly Parton and Christopher Guest seen to be damaged.  I have a html file of the corrupted Dolly Parton if you want to see, drop me note. I think it's the used of ,  does not use that format  Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:22, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think you misunderstood the edit request.  The  tags weren't supposed to be included, and bodyclass and titleclass are supposed to be parameters in the Navbox template.  By the way, I'm in favor of this edit, if we're still trying to build a consensus.  --CapitalR (talk) 00:23, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

text: CapitalR is correct. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:09, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:   Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And working perfectly. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:52, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add hCard microformat 

message: Could the redirect from  be bypassed to ? Thanks, --The Evil IP address (talk) 20:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:R2D comes to mind... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?   09:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect correction 

message: "Please discuss major changes on the talk page before making them." Does it mean: "Please discuss major changes on the talk page before editing the template." Just a quick comment, ANGCHENRUI WP:MSE♨ 11:59, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro in documentation 

message: Wow this talk page hasn't been edited in a while, anyway I wanted to start this discussion on what other people's opinions are on having films/TV series listed in the musical artist template. I for one find it very unnecessary considering acts like Beyoncé, Hilary Duff, Justin Timberlake, Lindsay Lohan are just a few singers that also have few or more acting credits under their belts. Listing every film and TV show that they have done is superfluous, the more their careers continue the more acting work they are going to do. The Navbox musical artist template is exactly that a template for the person as a musical artist NOT as an actor. Adding the person's name and a hashtag linking to the filmography section in the person's page (like this Person#Filmography) should suffice linking it from the template. But anyway, what are your opinions? QuasyBoy 07:13, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 16:49, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I kind of agree with what you are saying, in a way, but I think that as long as only starring roles are mentioned in the infobox, it should be okay. Personally, I think a navbox should be created for actors. For example, artists like Hilary and Lindsay are pretty much done with music, so to have a navbox just about their no longer existent music careers seems bizarre to me. And yes, actor navboxes could be messy, but if created, we could have maybe like a three starring role rule - only the three main stars of the film's navbox can be used in the article.  Thoughts? I think this is long overdue. — Status {talkcontribs  17:39, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the current situation is ok. Major billed roles should be listed only, though. I Help, When I Can.[12] 17:42, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The only time I feel that a film or TV show should be listed in the template is if the artist was active with the project as lead actor and executive producer, etc, not just appearing in the film. For example, it should not be a problem if Hannah Montana is listed in the Miley Cyrus template because naturally the show launched her career, same with Hilary Duff and Lizzie McGuire. QuasyBoy 18:18, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Films/TV shows being listed in the template 

message: Was there a change to this template recently that caused the separators between the album/song titles to disappear?  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 00:24, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change to this template? 

message: Basically because they present the same thing (an artist's songs with their own articles listed in a navbox), I've started a discussion at WT:SONGS questioning why one template listing an artist's singles and one showing the artist's songs should be displayed differently (in terms of background color). --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 17:10, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navboxes for songs and singles 

message: The 21st section of the Depeche Mode navbox for DM singles won't display. I don't see anything in the documentation for this template to indicate a limit, and the template appears to be formed properly. Any idea why section 21 isn't appearing? 87Fan (talk) 17:53, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't in the documentation but there is a limit. I tested it using the standard navbox template and I was able to add a 21st section. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It may just have been too big a table. I was able to compress some information to bring the # of sections in the template to under 20 (although if DM keep releasing albums, we'll hit the limit again soon enough). Thanks for your reply. 87Fan (talk) 22:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a limit of 20 entries in this navbox? 

message: I am aware it is currently the case that some navboxes are including music releases – e.g. singles – that don't have their own articles. Take Template:The Prodigy, for instance: several of the singles, EPs and albums link to articles that are not specifically about that subject – e.g. The Added Fat EP links to The Fat of the Land.
I think Wikipedia should have a policy on whether or not this should occur because, theoretically, any single given release could be included in a navbox as long as it is linked to another article. I personally think all subjects without their own article – with the possible exception of subjects which have their own individual sub-sections in another existing article – should not be included in a navbox, and that the Discography link in the 'Related articles' section should suffice. Lachlan Foley (talk) 00:31, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, navigation templates are for navigating between existing Wikipedia aritcles, and therefore redirects should not be used, especially where one link redirects to an article already linked in the same template. I'm often removing plain text from navigation templates but don't always check for redirects or "Easter eggs". –anemoneprojectors– 09:18, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking to subjects without their own articles 

message: Hi Wiki collegues, Please reduce the limit of entries of the Navbox so that Template:Eric Clapton singles can work.
Thanks --Matthiasberoli (talk) 10:10, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pleaser reduce the limit 

message: One of the problems I frequently run into with musical artist navboxes is that they're often treated as little discographies, with editors cramming in every release by an artist—EPs, singles, obscure releases, etc.—regardless of whether there are articles about those topics to link to. Thus the navbox winds up with a lot of redlinks, unlinked text, song titles that pipe to album articles, easter egg links, and such. I usually remove these with an explanation such as "this is an article navigation template, not a discography" (example: before and after). But the problem is pervasive and persistent. I'm sure anyone who works with these navboxes with any regularity can relate.
My suggestion is to add a notice that would automatically appear at the top of the editing page when one tries to edit a musical artist navbox. Similar to the notice that automatically appears at the top of the page when one goes to edit a BLP. Something like:
I doubt such a notice would solve the problem, but it might help a bit. At the least it might help inexperienced editors get to know the purpose and function of navboxes a little better. Thoughts? --IllaZilla (talk) 19:29, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to condone the use of navigation templates as mini-discographies as long as unlinked text is simply red linked. I think Template:Navbox musical artist should opt out of this exception.  For many musicians with large catalogues, this would result in ridiculously oversized navboxes that would not provide the intended benefit.  An artist's discography is just a click away and provides dates and other details that make some sense out of a shopping list of titles. Thoughts? —Ojorojo (talk) 14:44, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely. The way I read that, it implies that the red links should only be added if the articles are likely to be created and kept. In musical artist navboxes, I generally find that redlinks are from articles on minor releases that were deleted, or have been there forever and the articles are unlikely to ever be created (and likely wouldn't meet the notability threshold). As you say, the full discography of an artist should either be in the article about the artist or in a separate discography article, if warranted. --IllaZilla (talk) 18:15, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Template:Hoodoo Gurus is an example of a navbox with about 1/3 redlinks.  The red links were added to previously unlinked text, with the edit summary "Red links are now acceptable per a change to the guidelines. unlinked text is not"..  I doubt this result was contemplated when the new(er) exception to WP:EXISTING was added. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:47, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm curious who made that change to EXISTING and if there was any discussion behind it. Do you know? --IllaZilla (talk) 21:11, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  It looks like the decision was made here: Wikipedia talk:Red link/Archive 4. I think it is hard to apply this to the musical artist navbox because not all albums/songs are notable enough for a standalone article. For example, if a song/album article is deleted, it makes no sense for it to be in the template as a redlink. Random86 (talk) 01:37, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Since so many articles are deleted, perhaps meeting WP:Notability (music) for all navbox entries should be required. —Ojorojo (talk) 19:12, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add an editing notice? 

message: I wanted to add a few cover songs done of PM Dawn tracks. Is there an appropriate place to include this; in the navbox musical artist template or otherwise?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sberke206 (talk • contribs) 03:35, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Navboxes should not be used for this purpose.  Navboxes facilitate navigation, i.e., contain links to articles directly relating to the subject.  Other artists who recorded the subject's songs are peripheral or only loosely related to the subject.  If the covers meet WP:SONGCOVER (essentially, are they discussed by WP:Reliable sources beyond the fact that they exist?), the details may be added to the article about the song.  If there is no song article, it (and any covers) are probably not notable.—Ojorojo (talk) 17:36, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appropriate place to cite those who did covers of songs by the artist of interest? 

message: Please could someone edit the Led Zeppelin examples, to remove the following category WP:EGGs and overlinked items:
 | group4     = Films should be | group4     = Films
 | group5     = Related articles should be | group5     = Related articles
 *Songs should be removed
I also think the following is problematic, and the image should be removed:
 * (Led Zeppelin IV) should be * Led Zeppelin IV
Thanks!  --woodensuperman 15:04, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done:  is usually not required for edits to the documentation, categories, or interlanguage links of templates using a documentation subpage. Use the 'edit' link at the top of the green "Template documentation" box to edit the documentation subpage. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:01, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, thanks!  Updated!  --woodensuperman 09:49, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easter eggs in Led Zeppelin example 

message: Would anyone like to comment at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 November 13#Template:Katy Perry songs and Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 November 13#Template:Taylor Swift songs?  --woodensuperman 09:50, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Also Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 November 14#Template:Selena Gomez songs  --woodensuperman 15:17, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best practice for musical artist navboxes 

message: Template:Michael Jackson.  List 21 doesn't display. The only alternative I can see is to move some into sublists, like albums, but I've never done this. Any other option? Thanks. deisenbe (talk) 14:35, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  need more than 20 lists 

message: I don't know if this has been discussed before but MOS:COLLAPSE has very clear guidance for collapsing in tables. It says . On that basis, can we please remove the functionality for "autocollapse" as an option? ≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 20:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Getting rid of state / auto collapse