Talk:Cedarhurst, New York

message: Helical Rift keeps removing the category tag that identifies this as an Orthodox Jewish community, but acknowledges on  Alansohn's talk page that the town is 60% Orthodox, which seems to me, if accurate, to be reason to include the town among Wikipedia's list of Orthodox Jewish communities.  Does anyone else out there have any feedback on the question? -FisherQueen 17:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Orthodox Jewish community?

message: :Has anyone ever cited Cedarhurst as "Orthodox Jewish community" or is claiming such WP:OR? Arbusto 07:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see this link for discussions of Cedarhurst's Orthodox Jewish community. The sections of the article that referred to this link were the ones that had been removed earlier and have since be restored. Please let us know if you have any issues with this as a WP:RS and WP:V source. Alansohn 07:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your link says its "heavily populated by Orthodox Jews" and it says "Orthodox Jews do not make up a majority of the population in Cedarhurst." Where is a source that calls this a "Orthodox Jewish community"? Arbusto 08:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A community that is "heavily populated by Orthodox Jews" is an Orthodox Jewish Community. An Orthodox Jewish community (or Italian, or Irish) is one that is an Orthodox Jewish community, not one where you can find a source that says "place X is an Orthodox Jewish community". Of all the ethnic / religious group categories in Wikipedia, none stipulate that it must constitute a majority of the municipalities population. Do you have a source that requires the specific wording you demand AND a percentage greater than 50%, or are you just making up your own set of rules again? Do you have a legitimate issue here, or is this just another violation of WP:POINT? We have agreed to list Cedarhurst as an Italian community, based on 15% of the population. Why are you challenging a far larger Orthodox Jewish community based on that same definition? Alansohn 08:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  So no source then? And this isn't about WP:POINT as Helical contacted me on my talk. You are not being fair to this new user. Arbusto 08:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Exactly, Helical Rift. We have come to a conclusion that we will leave in the Category:Orthodox Jewish communities AND have already inserted a see also List of Italian-American neighborhoods, which seems to address both of our concerns. Why is anyone else, especially Arbusto/oo, inserting themselves into what seems to be a closed issue? Alansohn 08:36, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I will apologize for a third time and emphasize that no offense was ever intended. I encourage you to review the edit history to see for yourself that I had no issue whatsoever with characterizing Cedarhurst as having Italian and Irish communities, and added required supporting information to back up your edit. I don't have an issue with you, now that we have agreed on what to do with the Cedarhurst article. I do have an issue with Arbustoo's interference, and I can't deal with him privately, because he has chosen to make a public issue of this. I am again disappointed that you have chosen to get involved with deleting the category in question. Cedarhurst's inclusion in List of Italian-American neighborhoods does NOT make it an Italian-only neighborhood and no one would take offense at this characterization. In exactly the same way, Cedarhurst's inclusion in :Category:Orthodox Jewish communities does not make it Orthodox-only, nor is it intended to insult any other member of any other ethnic or religious group. That Cedarhurst has an Orthodox Jewish community is supported not only by the facts you and I see when we drive through the village or across Central Avenue, where I am as often as once a week, but based on a source. Given that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it includes facts, and the fact that Cedarhurst has BOTH Italian and Orthodox communities is a clear truth. Removing all of these categories and lists would only make Wikipedia even less useful. I would strongly request that you withdraw your delete vote for the category. Alansohn 09:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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