Talk:Iowa (album)

message: I've been reformatting Slipknot's albums' articles in a manner that I've seen practically every other good album article on Wikipedia (see any Nirvana album, Marilyn Manson album, etc). Slipknot's albums' articles are the only ones where for some reason bonus tracks and discs aren't given a sub-heading in track listing, everything in chart positions and personnel is listed in columns no matter how long or short they are, and other little things. Not to mention some of the personnel for all three albums, and 9.0, aren't even listed, which they would be if not for the flat-out revert. I don't see how the way I'm trying to format the articles would revoke their GA status when I'm modeling them from even better articles of some of the greatest albums released (which you can expect are better than this one, as many have been featured articles). Anyways, I wouldn't be admin of two wikis if my thing was to explicitly ruin any decent article. So, what do you say? Vixen Windstorm (talk) 18:05, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The formats are that way due to the work of many users (members of WP:SLIP, peer reviewers, and GA reviewers) have agreed on them. There are no Marilyn Manson studio albums listed as Good Articles; don't mistake quality of an album for quality of its article. I personally feel that the current format of Slipknot (album), Iowa (album) and Vol. 3: (The Subliminal Verses) are as good as could be achieved. Adding extra sub-sections only clutters things up (Adds more unnecessary [edit] links to the body, screws up columns, prolongs the Table of Contents). If someone wants to see what position a single peaked on the Billboard 200 I think they're smart enough to realize it would be in the Chart positions section. Format is second to the actual prose in the article, expanding prose on articles in needed the most, so helping out there would be a better area to direct effort. (see: the current Aof for ideas) Blackngold29 18:37, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Format

message: Umm i noticed that the song "shape" is incorrectly titled "the Shape". on their website it says Shape so ill change that. OKay?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.149.72.174 (talk) 18:43, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The album lists it as "The Shape". I would think the album would be the highest source, even if it is Slipknot's official site. Blackngold29 03:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles 

message: Should we upload the red version of the Iowa cover? I already know that the shiny cover shouldn't be here, but should the red version of the cover be here? It's okay if the answer is no, I have no problem with that. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 03:22, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say a yes. Theres also a black cover of the album. We need a consensus on this. Torque3000 (talk) 11:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm guessing that the black cover is just the original shiny cover tilted at an angle so that it looks black. The red cover is something I've seen at my local Best Buy and Barnes & Noble, so it is real. I've only seen three versions of the album, the original version with the shiny cover, the re-release with the red cover, and the digital version with the white cover. I've seen this black cover before, but I just think it is just the shiny cover tilted away from the viewer Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 18:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Covers 

message: I recently created a section for the re-release with different color schemes. I'm not sure if it should be here though (I can't add much about it, because my copy is the original shiny), so if it gets removed, I won't try to add it back. If it's not notable enough, just remove it. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 04:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if its notable or not, but I think it needs a source. I won't remove it just yet, but we should probably look for one. blackngold29 06:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't think so, as it says that it is "community built". Which basically puts it on the same branch as Wikipedia—a non-reliable source. Oh and I think you mean "cite a source". ;) blackngold29 20:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I'll just try to find another source. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 23:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Personally I use it all the time, but as for WP it isn't a WP:RS as it's ran by a fan who isn't officially associated with the band. blackngold29 22:16, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, that's two sources out, when I find a third source, I'll see if it's reliable. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 22:42, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006 re-release 

message: This is about reliable sources. I know how to site a website now, I just want to know if discogs.com is a good source. You see, they have information about the re-release of this cd. I don't want to add it as a source yet because I'm wondering if it is reliable. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 19:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so, as it says that it is "community built". Which basically puts it on the same branch as Wikipedia—a non-reliable source. Oh and I think you mean "cite a source". ;) blackngold29 20:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I'll just try to find another source. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 23:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is discogs.com a good source? 

message: Is Opium of the People.com a good source for information? Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 22:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I use it all the time, but as for WP it isn't a WP:RS as it's ran by a fan who isn't officially associated with the band. blackngold29 22:16, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, that's two sources out, when I find a third source, I'll see if it's reliable. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 22:42, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Opium of the People.com 

message: I've added the alternate cover from the album. If you think it's too similar, just remove it. I only added it once, and if it gets removed by one of you, I won't add it back. Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 18:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate Cover 

message: Why was it removed from the singles?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.25.91 (talk) 21:59, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Heretic Anthem 

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thread_title:  Dead external links to Allmusic website – January 2011 

message: I really disapprove of these genres being added only on the basis of interpreting the source. Per WP:STICKTOSOURCE, specifically "Source material should be carefully summarized or rephrased without changing its meaning or implication. Take care not to go beyond what is expressed in the sources, or to use them in ways inconsistent with the intention of the source, such as using material out of context. In short, stick to the sources." This is not what is going on here when we add these sources.Andrzejbanas (talk) 11:58, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying the source isn't specific enough for genre categorization? I really thought "their most extreme album yet" was a giveaway myself. Death might also apply. But I'm near certain extreme does. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 15:50, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Interpreting as "the most extreme" is not the equivalent of what the the source says. Again, I stand by WP:STICKTOSOURCE. Just because something is the most extreme, they were not specifically saying it belongs to the genre. That is greatly misleading to readers. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:06, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Extreme or death metal

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message: I am sorry but this is utterly absurd to include this, I know the source for Logos Magazine contains the sentence "The album reached into the death metal and hardcore wells that existed inside of the band, almost completely ignoring any sort of melody or hip-hop element that was key in their debut," but I really dont think this needs to find a place in the genre... It's just ONE source and the writer is only basically implying there was some influence from those genres found on the record.. I would much suggest it would be wiser to just make note of it somewhere on the page such as the "Music and lyrical 
themes" section where it could say "Logos Magazine noted that the album contains influence from hardcore and death metal." 
Otherwise, the article for the self-titled album needs to have "hip hop" in its genre by that logic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.162.0.86 (talk) 05:53, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it's not death metal. Bur as far as sources go, I can't find a single source that explicitly states "Iowa is a death metal album", and even if there is, I agree that a section in the body of text for the article is a much better place for it (i.e. Pitchfork said the album has some death metal characteristics). As far as I noticed the latest source that's trying to get used for the genre's justified inclusion is written by a guy who is so discredited that his writing about The Beatles and rock music has become an actual meme. It's a good opportunity to question if that really is the kind of guy we should depend on genre inclusions for? Even if it is technically reliable, it's a pretty trash source. Second Skin (talk) 04:42, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  LOL "death metal" and "hardcore"? 

message: If 1999’s Slipknot was a blurry snapshot of a nine-man tornado, Iowa is a frame-by-frame blowup that harnesses the whirlwind and diffuses nothing. “We really stepped up on this one,” Jordison says. “All of us are a lot happier playing death metal — those are the kinds of bands we were in before. We still have the more ambient numbers, but most of this album is much heavier.” and “On the Ozzfest tour, death metal's mutant, nine-headed spawn prepares America for the shock of their latest album.” "Slipknot: Highway to Hell", - Rolling Stone Magazine, 2001.
When I saw this in the article, I felt like I had to add it to the genre list, BUT- I didn't want to start an edit war.
I will look for more sources to corroborate this, but until then, please discuss. BoxxyBoy (talk) 19:54, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If this album is "death metal", then Korn's self-titled is black metal Second Skin (talk) 02:38, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Death Metal to Genre.