Talk:Hannibal Lecter

message: There are differences from the books and movies. The article mentions the storyline in the movies and not the books. cgl. --205.211.237.189 03:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Books vs. movies

message: Noticed this: 
"He simply describes himself as being evil, stating that psychiatry is "purile", and wrong to categorize different kinds of evil as different behavioral conditions. Lecter then supports this by stating that the inconsistencies in his behavior are traits of pure evil, and that he does not possess a behavioral abnormality."
and wasn't convinced by it from reading the books.  He asks Starling whether she thinks he is evil, and when she says she thinks he has at least been "destructive" he agrees with her, but he doesn't seem to have enough of a sense of right and wrong himself to classify himself as evil or good particularly.  I don't know what anyone else thinks?
CO.
:To me it seems strongly implied. I just don't understand a possible alternative why would he ask her if she thought that he was evil; and then upon hearing her answer about how he wasn't, counter it? In other words, what I picked up from that is him asking her if he was evil, she said she didn't believe in evil, he pretty much told her she was wrong. That to me suggests that he thought of himself as evil, and told her indirectly that he believed that he was. However, I could be wrong, but that's how I interperated it when I read the book. Perhaps a re-word of that paragraph would be more appropriate, feel free to do so. --MajinVegeta 20:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  uncertain 

message: I'm somewhat divided on this one, what should the name in the opening paragraph be? I know frequently Harris referrs to him as "Dr. Lecter" or "Dr. Hannibal Lecter", but not in Hannibal Rising. He is just referred to as "Hannibal Lecter". Any suggestions? --MajinVegeta 05:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why this is an issue.  He wasn't referred to as "Doctor" in Hannibal Rising for the simple reason that he wasn't a doctor yet. Technically, he's "Count Hannibal Lecter." Since he is a doctor in all the other stories that take place later in the timeline, that's why he is properly referred to as such. Nightscream 16:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason why I asked is because I've edited it several times to just Hannibal Lecter, and someone always switches to "Dr. Hannibal Lecter". I'm switching it back, thanks for the opinion. --MajinVegeta 20:35, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't noticed one way or the other on WP, so I'll ask: is it policy to not include such titles in the Intro? Nightscream 23:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hannibal Lecter or Dr. Hannibal Lecter?

message: Just finished Hannibal Rising, and I'm pretty sure that Grutas revealing that they fed him the broth from cooking his sister while he was unconcious wasn't why she disowned him...  She calls Grutas a liar, and tells Hannibal to turn him over to the police and come away to Japan with her, and then he adds "your lips were greedy on the spoon", and Hannibal snaps and starts carving Ms into Grutas face and body, and turns back to her covered in blood.  She stares in horror, he says "I love you", and she throws herself off the boat.  Later, she goes to visit him in the holding cell, and senses he's completely shut off inside.  She writes him a letter, enclosing a burned twig from Hiroshima her father had given her, and returns to Japan.  I'd consider revising, if there's no argument, as the article is currently misleading, suggesting some kind of disgust on her part for what was forced upon him as a child, rather than what he'd chosen to become as a young adult. 140.185.215.122 12:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, I just read the summary for the film, and it is far mroe accurate.  I have made some changes, i hope they are acceptable.  140.185.215.122 13:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She leaves Hannibal because of what he becomes. She sees him as so overcome by his obsession that there's nothing left in him to love. I will veiw the changes that were made, and perhaps revise them where it seems fit. --VorangorTheDemon 19:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your take and mine seem inline.  I just disagreed with the "He is shocked to find out that he ingested her remains in the broth they fed him.  Lady Murasake leaves him when she finds out." 140.185.215.122 16:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think I recall it being subtlly stated in the Book of Hannibal Rising. --VorangorTheDemon 23:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why Lady Murasaki Left

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message: This article about a fictional character is not up to standards for a wide array of reasons.  The article treats the character like a real person, establishing a "biography" section for him (which is still unwarranted despite being identified as a fictional character in the section heading).  What needs to be done instead is to write an out-of-universe section which details the character's appearances in the books, films, and what-have-you.  Furthermore, the Infobox details Lecter as a real person, filling out certain attributes appropriately; see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction)#Infoboxes and succession boxes for more information.
The "Diagnosis" section consists of original research (disallowed on Wikipedia), as it is apparently written from an editor's perspective.  Such a section needs to be backed by independent, secondary sources that meet both verifiability and reliable source criteria.  (Academic studies of the fictional character would be best.)
I would suggest researching this fictional character more based on interviews, credible reviews, academic studies, literature.  Go to the film articles in which Lecter has appeared to see if you can retrieve any references that are Lecter-centric for usage.  Also, please take a look at the following fictional characters' articles: Jabba the Hutt, Palpatine, Jack Sparrow, and Jason Voorhees, for an idea of what is appropriate for a high-quality article about a fictional character.  For the record, I consulted with Bignole to critique this article for ways that it needs to be improved, and his recommendations have been included in this review.  If you have any further questions, feel free to contact either of us. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 13:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another note: This is not a comprehensive review; only the major issues have been broached here.  There are other issues with the article as well, such as the insufficient rationales for the non-free images and the selection of external links. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 13:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I can see why it failed. The article's changed quite a bit since the last time I edited it. I added most of that stuff that Erik stated but it's since been removed. I majorly cut down the bio a while back too, but it seems that people have since reverted those edits and added it all back. Also I will say it's really hard to get info about the origin/inspiration of Hannibal Lecter because Harris is not an interview person. VERY, VERY few interviews have been done with him. Plus I totally agree with the diagnosis section being WP:OR; completely, not only partially. Harris stated that Hannibal had no diagnosis because he wanted him to be unique. Beyond that, there's really not that much interview/review/literature info on him. But I do remember reading somewhere that his last name "Lecter" reflected his love for books. In RD, he's originally seen to have a serious obsession with Books, but it kinda shifts focus afterward. --VorangorTheDemon 23:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA

message: i corrected a mistake that i found appalling i am sorry if you guys do not agree but Hannibal Lector being my favorite fictional character in the world i think his story should be correct after killings Grutis he did not go to the united states he went to Alberta Canada to kill the final member of the Russian soldiers and then proceeded to go to the united states to study psychology.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Po0ners01 (talk • contribs). 
Well you're right ... but i think you were taking the text too literally. He did journey to the US to study and then work and live. The trip to Canada was just a little a diversion to resolve some unfinished business. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.129.121.63 (talk) 13:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake on his childhood 

message: Was Lloyd Wyman an alias? I thought he was simply some poor sap Lecter wasted in the airport underground carpark after killing the ambulance staff. Lecter may have checked into the hotel using the name Lloyd Wyman but that was just impersonating a real person whose wallet he'd stolen, not technically an "alias".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.129.121.63 (talk) 16:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is considered an alias because Lecter used it as his own name (willingly or unwillingly), that's what an alias is. I don't know if he ever introduced himself as "Lloyd Wyman", but he probably did for business circumstances. --VorangorTheDemon 08:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aliases 

message: The film section contains two references that need citation and are poorly written. I have tagged the beginning of the section in question with {cleanup-section} and {unreferencedsection} The information needs to be removed, or it should be rewritten if sources are cited. A rewrite is dependent on whether the information is relevant and verifiable. -- OranL (talk) 10:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film Section Cleanup 

message: I have just re-classified her from "Step-aunt" to "aunt-by-marriage" under the "relatives" section if that's alright by everyone.  Not050 (talk) 18:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on Lady Murasaki 

message: In "most of these parodies feature the character wearing Hannibal's infamous mouthpiece", changed "mouthpiece" to "mask".
None of the definitions at mouthpiece seem to correspond to the item shown.
I'd like to be a little more specific as to what kind of "mask" (or "mouthpiece", if that is correct) Lecter is wearing, but I don't know what to call it.-- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 13:16, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Mouthpiece" -> "Mask"

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thread_title: Not Fair Use?

message: Is the character a Doctor of Medicine or a Doctor of Psychology? In all accounts I've seen he is referred to as a psychiatrist, but the wikipedia article lists him as a M.D. Which is it? Sottolacqua (talk) 16:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Psychiatrists are M.D.s- they train as doctors first before doing their specialist psychiatric training. The same way in which other specialists like oncologists or rheumatologists are also Doctors of Medicine. 86.2.35.39 (talk) 21:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree with that last bit, and have removed the superfluity. StAnselm (talk) 03:56, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  M.D. vs. PsyD 

message: Not that this is very important, but why is South Park listed without capitalization and in quotation marks? All the other shows are listed in proper grammar, I just thought it was kinda weird that South Park isn't.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbednar88 (talk • contribs) 10:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Park reference odd 

message: In the alternate history novel Back in the USSA, set in a world where America has a communist revolution instead of Russia in 1917, Hannibal Lecter appears as director of the Department of Health(source is wikipedia article on Back In The USSA) Sbednar88 (talk) 10:28, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  In literature 

message: 'Dino De Laurentiis (owner of the cinematic rights to the Lecter character since Manhunter) announced that he was going to make a film (with or without Harris' help).'
Where does this information come from?
:I recall it being in an Entertainment Weekly article. I think the Hannibal Rising article has it.--CyberGhostface (talk) 17:29, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was right; It's from the February 22, 2007 issue of Entertainment Weekly, I just checked.--CyberGhostface (talk) 17:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sitation Missing for Dino De Laurentiis' comments 

message: The article says "The ending for the film was changed from the novel due to the controversy that the novel's ending generated upon its release in 1999:" but doesn't cite or explain this controversy.76.21.120.118 (talk) 16:47, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy over the ending? 

message: Either I need to get away from the computer for a while, or the first sentence refers to Hannibal Lecter as a "non-fictional character". I'm pretty sure the entire series is fiction, so how is Lecter a non-fictional character? Jedikaiti (talk) 23:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. I think whoever originally made that must have forgotten the difference between non-fiction and fiction. Hannibal is a fictional character, meaning he isn't a real person.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.133.225 (talk) 03:05, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-fictional character?? 

message: I removed the following information from the article because none of it has anything to do with the character.  The only crew or cast information that is relevant is the different actors who played the part of Dr. Lecter, and the different directors of the different films.  All of this is already covered.  The amount of money the films made is not relevant to the character at all, and such information is already available in the articles about the respective films.  Can someone give a good reason we need these charts in the article? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 22:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well to put it quite bluntly, its pretty damn convenient for the random man searching through Wikipedia. I've had a fairly slow internet connection before, so not having to switch pages and wait two minutes to load for something is trivial as the above information is actually a rather nice, although small, luxury.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.46.1.46 (talk) 08:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's irrelevant to the character, though. An article on the franchise would be a better home for it. Do we actually have one of those? Might be a good idea, given that there's, what, four books and five films? GRAPPLE X 14:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: True. I don't actually know. There's information about the films and books scattered along individual pages, but I really don't know if there's a "Hannibal Collection" or something. At any rate, I think its time I finally made an account >.> Speaking of which, how do you sign these things? Four squigglies right? Luke747184.46.1.46 (talk) 07:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ~~~~ GRAPPLE X 18:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  A film series or franchise article needs to be created, just as with the other top-grossing horror franchises. —Mike Allen  09:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film series 

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Manhunter               	August 15, 1986  	$8,620,929        	                  	$8,620,929        	#3,658            	                  	                	
The Silence of the Lambs	February 14, 1991	$130,742,922      	$142,000,000      	$272,742,922      	#252              	#258              	$19,000,000     	
Hannibal                	February 9, 2001 	$165,092,268      	$186,600,000      	$351,692,268      	#153              	#160              	$87,000,000     	
Red Dragon              	October 4, 2002  	$93,149,898       	$116,046,400      	$209,196,298      	#473              	#370              	$78,000,000     	
Hannibal Rising         	February 9, 2007 	$27,670,986       	$54,498,898       	$82,169,884       	#1,953            	                  	$50,000,000     	
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:Well to put it quite bluntly, its pretty damn convenient for the random man searching through Wikipedia. I've had a fairly slow internet connection before, so not having to switch pages and wait two minutes to load for something is trivial as the above information is actually a rather nice, although small, luxury.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.46.1.46 (talk) 08:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's irrelevant to the character, though. An article on the franchise would be a better home for it. Do we actually have one of those? Might be a good idea, given that there's, what, four books and five films? GRAPPLE X 14:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: True. I don't actually know. There's information about the films and books scattered along individual pages, but I really don't know if there's a "Hannibal Collection" or something. At any rate, I think its time I finally made an account >.> Speaking of which, how do you sign these things? Four squigglies right? Luke747184.46.1.46 (talk) 07:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ~~~~ GRAPPLE X 18:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  A film series or franchise article needs to be created, just as with the other top-grossing horror franchises. —Mike Allen  09:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Box office 

message: Some critique of the character concept and biography is missing. --41.151.115.193 (talk) 21:29, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  critique of the concept 

message: This is an interesting tidbit- Hannibal Lecter was the answer to today's(3/2/2012) final jeopardy. The clue was something along the lines of "this villain was first seen in a jail cell reading le grand dictionnaire de cuisine". The category was book villains. This could be some trivia we include in the article. --70.246.143.78 (talk) 23:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeopardy 

message: Suggesting a lock on this page. Multiple attempts at vandalism.
Mwolvesto50 (talk) 18:35, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism/Suggested Protective Lock 

message: The first line below "hannibal lecter MD" says: "Lecter was introduced in the 1981 thriller novel Red Dragon as a brilliant psychiatrist and cannibalistic serial killer."
The first line under the "Novels" heading reads: "Hannibal Lecter is introduced in the 1981 novel Red Dragon as a brilliant psychiatrist and a cannibalistic serial killer."
I've been trying to come up with a good way to change one of the sentences so it sounds less silly, but I'm never good at opening statements, and couldnt think of anything. So I thought I'd mention it, incase someone else had something better. 74.132.249.206 (talk) 00:15, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we rewrite these sentences? 

message: In this article it states:
"In late 2006, the script for the film Hannibal Rising was adapted to novel format."
Where as in the Article for Hannibal Rising it states:
"The film is an adaptation of Thomas Harris' 2006 novel of the same name..."
Can we actually get some citation on these, so we know which is a true statement? Did the story exist as a novel first or a film script? I feel it important to point out that this is not a question of which came out first, on numerous occasions, when film has been adapted to novel, the novel has pre-dated the film in it's release.124.170.73.178 (talk) 16:15, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The wording was changed back in late December of '07, and was never fixed.  It is fixed now.  Thanks for pointing this out. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 21:00, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Hannibal Rising Adaptation quandary

message: We have to be careful about the use of these terms.  In the novel, Dr. Chilton says "sociopath," but in the film, he says "psychopath."  Depending upon whether we are discussing the book or the film, we have to distinguish the terms. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 16:28, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psychopath/sociopath 

message: I found a good Blu-ray screenshot of Hannibal from Silence that I think works better. I'll be uploading it shortly but any comments are appreciated.--CyberGhostface (talk) 00:57, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  New pic 

message: The first portion of this page briefly summarizing and explaining the character of Hannibal Lecter is actually copied from the summary/intro section of the Hannibal, Carthaginian commander who lived in 247 BC, Wikipedia page
76.97.48.72 (talk) 05:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in Intro/Summary 

message: The section of this article devoted to the tv show is getting out of hand.  The tv show has an article, so most of these details are completely unnecessary here.  This article is only about the character, not the show itself.  I suggest trimming it. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 01:59, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, these plot summaries on character articles tend to get out of hand. I think some users can sometimes lose sight of what character articles are for. I've always been of the opinion that character articles should focus more on how the character is interpreted in the media, rather than primarily focusing on summarising the plot (which can lead to making the sections much longer than they should be). DarkKnight2149 03:53, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Television section 

message: The Old Spice edit was not vandalism, it was an honest edit based on the novel and the two film adaptations. Since you didn't respond to me on your talk page, I'll repost message here in full:
Just noting it. Probably doesn't need the original reference to his heightened smell, in addition to the Lambs one. But it was not vandalism. That is the aftershave brand referenced to as "the one with the Sailing Ship on the bottle". It was an honest edit. 
Here is the scene in the 2002 film: youtu.be/4fwQKF64AWY
Same exact dialogue, directly referencing Old Spice, is used in Manhunter and taken word for word from the original book. I would like to know why you believe it shouldn't be mentioned that Lecter's smell sense is so good he picks up the fact Will Graham is a loyal Old Spice customer without having to sniff through the holes like he does in Silence Of The Lambs.
I can understand if you think the Lambs example was "enough" though. I'm asking because you labelled it as vandalism (when it was a Good Faith edit, not vandalism), and gave no other reason. Colliric (talk) 05:43, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Spice 

message: In the Inspiration section, it talks about Alfredo Ballí Treviño and that, "He was also suspected of killing and dismembering several hitchhikers in the Ballí outskirts during the late 1950s and early 1960s."  
As far as I can tell, there is no place named Ballí.  However, I found a website about the Ballí family that states: "In the late 17th century the honorable, Francisco Ballí Villarreal was the chief justice of the Nuevo Santander Province. The region is now the northern states of Mexico (Tamaulipas & Nuevo Leon) bordering Texas along the Rio Grande."
https://balli.org/ 
I am wondering about how we can make this more clear and less confusing, but I am not sure about the sourcing of such a website.  Please comment with your thoughts.  Kirby777 (talk) 22:47, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , yeah, it looks like some confusion got introduced there, possibly by me. Looking at the sources it doesn't seem super clear how it relates to the text so it needs some fixing. Popcornfud (talk) 01:06, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inspiration stomping grounds 

message: * https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/real-hannibal-lecter-psychopathic-doctor-inspired-silence-lambs/
* https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/unmasked-doctor-who-was-real-life-hannibal-lecter-m67hzfp5svq
* https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/silence-of-the-lambs-anthony-hopkins-real-inspiration-hannibal-lecter/
* https://psychotherapy.psychiatryonline.org/doi/pdf/10.1176/appi.psychotherapy.2002.56.1.100#:~:text=Hannibal%20Lecter%20is%20also%20brilliant,order%20to%20escape%20from%20jail.
* https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89472698
* https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/hannibal-lecter-a-character-retrospective/
Just a few links that could be used to flesh (mmm...) this article out a bit more. JOEBRO64 01:13, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some sources