Talk:Marilyn Manson/Archive 1

message: Umm...Marilyn Manson did not graduate from GlenOak High. I am from Ft. Lauderdale and know that he went to Cardinal Gibbons High.
No, I'm pretty sure he DID go to GlenOak, according to VH1 Driven, and other sources -Meomega15 23:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  High School 

message: How could he have served in Vietnam if he was born in 69?
* He didn't. His father did, serving as one of those (I guess in helicopters) spreadning agent orange. --Julien 13:56, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vietnam 

message: This article has a lot of unscholarly wording in it, though I wouldn't call it POV asuch.
An example is at the bottom of the Early Years section:
**Little did he know this is exactly what a man named Trent Reznor would do for him on a grander scale years later.
This probably shouldn't even have been in the Early Years section. If anybody gets the point and cares about Marilyn Manson enough, please fix this article!
:....... why didn't you? Yeago 04:02, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds familiar to me. heavensblade23 23:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

text: - Definitely reads like a Hagiography to me...--81.135.215.79 21:39, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: Yes, Manson did play triangle in band. Read his autobiography "The Long Hard Road Out of Hell". Much of this article gets its sources from that book.
-Please Consider-
 Manson himself has stated that "Long hard road" is not a valid source of historically accurate information
the way I understand it, the book was written by his persona, and was at least partly sensationalized and embellished.
IF you want to include information and consider it accurate, you shouldn't take it from that book. It's like a 200pg MM ad.
Something he wrote to reinforce the persona.. not reality.‡
68.148.73.226 18:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triangle 

message: Imo, there should be much more about the controversy around him and his on these matters. For example, why some people accused him of being largely responsible for the Columbine killings, what was his defence against that and last but not least what the interview by Michael Moore in Bowling for Columbine did for him. Considering my mediocre English and the current strict Site-your-sources and no-original-research policies I don't dare to add it, but I am sure someone else can. Caesarion 10:41, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny thing is, in the film (and many other places) they say that the Columbine killers listened to Marilyn Manson, but in reality, they did not. Anyways, there is a clip of the Marilyn Manson interview on the Bowling for Columbine website. 69.236.72.116 07:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete 

message: Is it true that Manson has had lower ribs removed for purposes of Autofellatio? 82.38.78.129 17:22, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ribs 

message: Would it not make a lot more sense to have a picture of the person and not his costume/makeup?
What would be even better would be would be two pictures, like a comparison.--Jimmyjrg 02:53, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better picture 

message: The page has that their friendship is now defunct, as I thought it was 5 years ago. I'm pretty sure they settled things a while ago with MM being in the Starfuckers video and appearing on stage at a NIN concert. I'm not an expert on this at all, but I think that part is a bit dated.
:No it's not. That whole thing with trent and brian "making up" and appearing in concert together was a publicity stunt (why do you think it was filmed?). I don't know either of them personally, but i know that they're both different people now than they both were 12 years ago, so i doubt they'd have much to talk about if they ever did decide to get together. Besides who cares if they're friends or not? I don't see how that effects the music in any way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.43.214.196 (talk) 01:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  friendship with Reznor 

message: Personally I think we should hold off on this inclusion.
The book he claims to have written never surfaced and at the time I recall there were a number of questionable facts.
Firstly, the chapter he released online was not only very brief, but needed to be copyedited desperately as it was full of errors.
Also, he claims that the book was put on stall over some publisher war. Well, maybe these things just get kept under wraps but I don't recall anything more specific than that.
While I've always been intrigued by Manson, the book thing always seemed a bit shady to me. It was a nice idea to accompany an album with a novel, but its been 6 years. What could hold a book up that long? Even if it does exist in entirety, could it still even be published given the fact themes like Columbine are, well, dated?
I ask these questions not just to sink this category on this article, but I'm really quite curious if anyone else had any thoughts like this or some relevant information about the book's status.
Yeago 02:23, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great, except that wasn't his only book. He has an autobiography he released a few years ago, with help from a ghost writer. Ergo, he's still an american writer. Dead 03:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeap. I suppose you're technically right. It wasn't a book, however, it was a press package. =)Yeago 14:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't aware they sold press packages at Amazon? Dead 00:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard claims that pivotal parts of it are fictionalized. I'm not interested in YAIS (yet another internet spar). The abortion, the meat dressed def girl, the grandfather. Yeago 02:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Meat dressed girl is 100% true, though her name was changed.  She was interviewed in a video documentary on the band.  heavensblade23 23:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manson's inclusion into "American Writers" 

message: reference removed by user:65.88.159.198. I don't know why.User:Dlohcierekim | User_talk:Dlohcierekim 02:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  clone high 

message: Going back to an issue that was discussed before, I really don't think it is appropriate to have his mugshot be the main picture. Showing him as he looks without makeup does not stay faithful to the essence of who Marilyn Manson, as he is seen in the eye of the public, is, and I feel that this is misleading. In my opinion, showing him without makeup is akin to having the title of this article be "Brian Warner." Does anyone else have thoughts on this? --DanyaRomulus 01:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kind of a pointless discussion as the picture cycles regularly. As for your logic, its a picture Manson saw fit to include in his autobio, so, like, yeah.... dunno man wtvr.Yeago 01:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not that I don't think the picture has any merit at all, it's just that I don't think it should be the primary art on this page.  The one we had before, with him praying and the white background, I thought was much more appropriate. --DanyaRomulus 05:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its really quite subjective, I suppose. I think its kinda neat. But, like I said, the thing changes every week.Yeago 14:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And so now we have a drawing of him, and not a real picture? That's really "objective". 2_of_8 17:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, but pictures are made by photographers, so, I suppose according to your logic we can't really have anything that wasn't taken by a geiger-counter-driven random picture taker.Yeago 17:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: It's reported a lot that Marilyn was a "college journalist" before starting his band. Does anyone know where exactly he was going? --DanyaRomulus 20:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: broward community college, I'd imagine.Yeago 21:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I thought too, but I'm struggling to find any sources right now. --DanyaRomulus 00:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the autobio?Yeago 04:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: College

message: There are rumors of mensson beign surgically altered, are they true? if so what has been done ? --Procrastinating@talk2me 09:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're talking about the supposed 'missing rib' so he can suck himself, it's just an urban rumor. Dead 22:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See his autobiography in which he admits to ear and nose surgeory, among other things.Yeago 22:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The book mentions surgery to shorten his earlobes, but nothing about any type of nose surgery.--70.156.126.4 (talk) 19:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  request for info on surgical enhancment 

message: Could we move Marilyn Manson (person) to Marilyn Manson (singer)? I think it's better using "singer". CG 10:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's not just a singer though, he's also a director, author and actor. Plus, person differentiates this article from Marilyn Manson (band) than singer would. Dead 11:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: is there some new MM on the scene? what's the issue?Yeago 20:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request a move 

message: To gain more notoriety Manson single-handedly orchestrated an open mic poetry night at a South Florida club called Squeeze, which ended up being in his words, "The Goth Gong Show". Squeeze would later become his headquarters and home away from home, and where he would meet long time friend and confidant Jessicka (Jack Off Jill, Scarling.); he convinced her to start a riot grrl band, which he later dubbed Jack Off Jill. The two at the time were said to be inseparable, though Manson would later label her a groupie in his autobiography "The Long Hard Road Out Of Hell". Jack Off Jill went on to open most of his shows in South Florida. He produced many of the band's early recordings and on December 27, 1994 he and surname-free Jessicka were arrested during what police describe as "an undercover adult entertainment investigation." Both singers spent the night in jail in Jacksonville, Florida. The record indicates that, after several court appearances, both paid a $100 fine. Manson, however, wrote that charges were dropped due to lack of evidence. Jack Off Jill would again reunite with Manson as support on March 14, 1999, after being asked to take select remaining opening slots, after the depature of Hole from the co-headlining tour.
Above narrative of antics does not belong in the "Personal Life" section. Firstly, that these two were "inseperable" is uncomfirmed both by sources or by the bleak personal content of this paragraph. While I don't doubt that every word of it could be true, it stands apart from the other items in having nothing to do with Manson, personally. I'm guessing this is a fan editorial. At best it is the most notable thing that ever became of Jack Off Jill. Put it there.
Yeago 22:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jack Off Jill

message: A second thought. I think the mugshot should only be included if we have a section illustrating the sexual misconduct lawsuit it applies to. Otherwise, well, its technically NPOV but short of that, its just incomplete. Esp considering he was acquitted.
Could someone please do a writeup?
Yeago 14:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll plan take it up next week, if no one does it before then. -- JHunterJ 14:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Write-up done.  I haven't retrieved the mugshot to place it in the section though. -- JHunterJ 18:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mugshot 

message: He does state that bit about anyone touching a smith's album=homosexual, but it is hardly a tidbit demanding its own section, or noteworthy at all among the many other such tidbits..Yeago 04:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also a "joke" and not a feud.  The Smiths broke up in 1987, Spooky Kids formed two years later, so... Chris Stangl 05:21, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feud with the Smiths 

message: I think we should change this picture. It does not show how he really looks! He looks like a flippin' girl!MCRGIRL 16:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The previous picture was a mugshot. The picture here does change often, it's a matter of finding a free (preferably) or fair use one to change it to...  -- JHunterJ 21:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of Image 

message: Does Manson use drugs? If so, should we include it in the article?
:He does, of all kinds. He has an interview in High Times where he speaks at length about it, and Mechanical Animals-era interviews are often filled with drug anecdotes. He's been a huge advocate of drugs, in my opinion.Yeago 16:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: His use of cocaine, alcohol, and occasional pills is well documented, but the book and interviews express a dislike of marijuana and ecstacy, a single bad experience with LSD, disinterest in heroin and non-powder forms of cocaine, and disgust with nicotine products.--70.156.126.4 (talk) 19:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

text: This is a common practice for singers/performers before or during shows as a medical treatment, it's not drug use, nor is oxygen a drug.--72.150.38.54 (talk) 21:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drugs 

message: His height, 6'3", is mentioned briefly by Marilyn Manson in his autobiographical work, The Long Hard Road Out Of Hell, as well as by him in interviews, wherein he usually credits his height to an abnormality caused at birth by his father Hugh's exposure to Agent Orange during the Vietnam War.
What's abnormal about a height of 6'3"? ComaVN 09:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing. =). Manson likes to connect everything to some weird tale in his past. Most of it is phony--this one is contrived.Yeago 22:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: That photo in the "Eary Life" section shows Marilyn Manson's cover of The Beautiful People single. Shouldn't there be a childhood photo or something? I did find a picture of him at age 9. -- WereWolf 17:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A free photo? -- JHunterJ 17:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so, yeah. WereWolf 18:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Life 

message: I removed the listing for Abelcain from the filmography list.  Manson was attached to this film in 2002, but since then the project has stalled out completely.  There hasn't been any recent information to verify that Manson is still attached to the project, or that the project exists at all, so putting an entry in Manson's filmography seems overly-optimistic at best.  I also removed the unverifiable (and unbelieveable) claim that Manson was an extra in Napoleon Dynamite. - Rynne 05:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Abelcain

message: It's almost unbelievable how many citations needed tags are on this page.  Wikipedia isn't some gossip magazine.  If some crazy thing can't be backed up, it should be deleted until there's an actual source for it.  I'll come check back here next week or so. Banaticus 10:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a source for rumors -- it is neither the Weekly World News nor the National Enquirer.  Opinions and rumors should be backed up by some 3rd party -- innuendo has no real place here. Banaticus 02:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations Needed

message: If this article is on the person and not his band, why is the discography included on this page? --Ekaiyu 07:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possibly relevant as Marilyn Manson the person was the lead singer (? musician) for those recordings, so it's like  George Harrison having a personal discography (which includes his time with the Beatles) and The Beatles also having a discography.  In this case, though, the two discographies seem to be the same.  Does Marilyn Manson the person do solo work or is everything done with his band? Banaticus 09:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: Why isn't there a picture at the top anymore, there was one there a few months back, were'd it go? --Jimmyjrg 00:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Too many, and poorly arranged - for example, "Marriage" (2004), is a subsection of "early life". 
"In May 2002 Twiggy Ramirez (real name Jeordie White) left the band, citing differences in perspective on the future of the band." What band? Who the hell is Twiggy Ramirez? Remember the lead is seperate, a summary; you haven't told us he formed a band and we haven't been introduced to Twiggy Ramirez either. Looks to me like you're trying to deal with themes inside chronological sections and not really pulling it off.
I'm not entirely sure how you're gonna organise the material here but clearly something needs to be done. Maybe you could get some ideas from Bill Drummond, which is a similar article in that the guy has fame resulting mostly from one band, but also has artistic and other interests. That one is structured:
*Background (pre fame)
*Career
**70s indie/post-punk
**80s solo/A&R
**The KLF
**K Foundation
**to date
*Reviews, accolades and criticism
*Discography/artistic output
I suppose this article might take a form something like:
*Background or Background and personal life
*Music Career (or, simple chronology of his post-fame life)
**Phase 1
**Phase 2
*Other work (TV, art) (not needed if doing chronologically)
*Reviews, criticism, influence
**Perhaps his disputes with other famous people could have a section here?
*The info in "Lawsuits" should be slotted into Personal life or Career History I think
*Trivia should be worked into the text or zapped
*Some trivial stuff should be zapped from the main text or given some context to show why it's important.
Really I don't know enough about Manson to suggest a really good layout; you might want to start simply by removing most of the subsection headers? --kingboyk 08:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section headers 

message: I thought it was agreed to not change the aricles name from Marilyn Manson (person) to Marilyn Manson (singer) as he is more than a singer and so person makes more sense.--Jimmyjrg 06:36, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singer or Person 

message: I would like a source for the allegation that he is "not a practicing Satanist", as from interviews and numerous other speakings, he has revealed that he follows that 'philosophy'; post-Columbine, he was much less inclined to speak about it, and he only -hinted- at it on his interview with Faux News' Bill o' Reily. Also, as someone who frequently discusses with members and priests within the Church of Satan, Marilyn Manson is rarely a topic that comes up - however, I have never once heard him referred to as a non-practicing Satanist; just not active in the Church of Satan. Let it be clear that the Church of Satan itself states that you do not need to be a member to be a Satanist; Marilyn Manson's 'title' might have been totally honorary.
His way of heeding Satanism is criticized by many, such as Magister Svengali, but that certainly doesn't mean he isn't a "practicing Satanist". Maybe a very POOR Satanist, but I have not once heard him rebuke Satanism, and a majority of his lyrics have Satanic imagery (not pseudo-Satanic Deicide kind of garbage) which, although hard to detect, also calls into question the allegation that he is not a practicing Satanist. Of course, I am willing to accept that he merely frequented with Anton LaVey as Alice Cooper did earlier in some form of 'shock value', though I've yet to see any real evidence of this.
Nearly everything that I have ever Marilyn Manson say, with the exception of his drug-use (something Anton LaVey himself knew and supposedly overlooked), has fallen in line with the philosophy of Satanism. I will keep an eye on this discussion topic, and unless a source is given rather than speculation, I will remove the allegation. Darkahn 14:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satanism 

message: In the filmography it's stated that Manson was in the 2006 film Stranger than Fiction. I just was that film & didn't spot him. So I checked the imdb & still nothing. Just wondering where that came from?
Additionally, it's stated that Manson guest starred in a Family Guy episode. A parody of Manson did appear in Saving Private Brian but I do not believe he played himself. 
I didn't want to correct either pieces of information as I'm not entirely sure, but maybe sources could be provided?
:well i deleted the thing about family guy, cuz yeah they had a marilyn manson character on the show, but the character was voiced by seth mcfarlane (SP?) so it doesn't really count as manson's "film/TV work".65.43.214.196 01:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also going to delete a reference to his appearing in Summer of Sam as a "gay character."  The only gay character in the film is Bobby "The Fairy" Del Fiore, and that wasn't Manson in the role.  It was Brian Tarantina, who is a good 10 years older than Manson.  Further, there's no mention of Manson anywhere on the IMDb full cast list.  MikeFTM 06:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some odd things

message: What happened to his eye(s)?
Did he have breast implants? Why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.70.29.194 (talk) 00:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 2 questions that I have that go unanswered in the article

message: Did anyone notice that someone has been messing with the page? 
"Marilyn Manson was born on Neptune.He attended Heritage DuSchool,ender's shadow is a good book. Read it now or i will rip out your liver and eat it. Thank you."
I suggest that we fix this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by James:The Four Faced (talk • contribs) 17:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alteration 

message: Why was it changed to "Musician"? He is much more than a musician... Like other people have brought up before. I suggest that we change it back to "Person". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by James:The Four Faced (talk • contribs) 20:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change in Title 

message: This page says Manson died yesterday and it's still up. You people fucking suck.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.145.18.192 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That particular piece of misinformation was deleted hours before your comment. If you're still seeing it, reload the page and/or clear your cache. Additionally, please do not place new comments at the top of the page. If not responding to an existing comment, add your own header, as I've done. Thanks! Salamurai 06:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health & Welfare 

message: There is a move request ongoing at Talk:Marilyn Manson (band)#Requested move.  I had suggested that move to get rid of the Marilyn Manson redirect but the consensus so far is to move this article to Marilyn Manson instead.  Folks following this article may want to weigh in on that alternate suggestion since I'm suggesting the closing admin go ahead and carry out that move if consensus continues that way.  —Wknight94 (talk) 12:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move request

message: In the Marriage section, we're hearing about Dita Von Teese and then all of a sudden we see "...Sandefur's filing for divorce..." and "Sandefur reportedly took their two cats..." Anybody know who Sandefur is? Is it a nickname or something for Dita Von Teese?
   --Jlaramee 20:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Sandefur? 

message: While reading this article I came across several places where it said something to the liking of "Marilyn Manson was the leadsinger" so I would like to suggest that a person speaking English natively do read this article focusing on the tense.
A more specific example of the wrong tense (I believe it should be "is" not "was"):
His music is frequently featured on the show C.S.I.. The character on the show, Greg Sanders, is a big fan of Manson and the actor who plays him, Eric Szmanda was a personal friend of Manson.
XezzeX 22:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tense errors 

message: isnt it called "shock rock"?· Lygophile has spoken 05:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  genre 

message: Manson doesn't use drugs!!! His band only promotes drugs...they don't use it! john 5, he used drugs but was therefor kickt out!!!....So...manson doesnt use drugs and by the way...he's to cool to use it!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.66.200.83 (talk) 19:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Manson takes drugs and he's said it a million times before. So do his bandmates, I am sure. Nukleoptra 17:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second Nukleoptra's comment Doody 09 03:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  drugs 

message: I read somewhere that Manson does not condone the use of drugs but he does if it becomes an addiction?? I can't remember where I read this and therefore I don't know how true it is.--137.215.9.20 12:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're thinking about Manson's statement on the release of Gidget Gein from the band. Manson stated in The Long Hard Road out of Hell that the problem there was not the fact that Gein was a drug user, but that Gein allowed drugs to consume and take over his life. Manson is an open drug user as he wrote about many, many past drug-use experiences in the book (circa 1998), and was even a marijuana-userduring the recording of The Golden Age of Grotesque. I don't know what the word is in 2007, but it's most likely that Manson is still a drug-user; his problem was with the idea that an individual could possibly allow drug-use to literally control one's life. R-Tiztik 00:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drugs 

message: I've been a Manson fan for about 2 years now and everyday I have a new view on him and his work. I'm trying to understand a previous comment someone made. If i get it right you are saying that "Marilyn Manson" as we know it is merely a public persona. So therefore a fictional character? Am i right to say that most of what we know about Marilyn Manson is fictional? Does that also mean that what we know about Brian Warner is fictional? --Gwen 12:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's still one person, but he's just altered his physical appearance for publicity/reputation purposes. If you've seen his mugshot, it's an improvement. K!netic 01:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Really? I'd say he's one of the  most beautiful men I've ever seen, but that's just a matter of opinion. Anyway, on topic with the post that was here originally, famous surrealist director Alejandro Jodorowski (who's friends with Manson, was the priest at Manson's wedding, and plans on directing a film starring Manson as Pope) once told Manson
'You are a performance. I do not know you without make-up, no one knows you without make-up.' Blahmicho 13:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trying to understand 

message: I think something about the development of his persona would be useful in the early section of the page. -- Sparkzilla talk! 01:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Development of Persona

message: Could someone go through this site  and extract newspaper and magazine sources for the art section. Thanks. -- Sparkzilla talk! 03:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Art section

message: As a Biography of a Living Person, extra care should be taken to ensure that all material on this page is reliably sourced. I have fixed the marriage section, but other sections (such as "art" above) need to be backed up with reliable sources (not fan sites), or the usnourced information should removed. See WP:BLP for more details. -- Sparkzilla talk! 03:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A note regarding sources

message: Was it not in Kinnety Castle County Laois/Offaly?
:The source says Gurteen castle. -- Sparkzilla talk! 01:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mansons wedding

message: Content seems a little Biased don't you think? Zazaban 18:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't it be books by Manson, not books about Manson? -- Sparkzilla talk! 01:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books section 

message: That's pretty important in his development and should be in the article. Zazaban 18:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add it if you can source it, forget it if you can't John R S 05:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Molestation by Grandfather 

message: What's with the "Theistic Satanist"? I'm pretty sure that's been debunked over and over in interviews.
::Manson is sure as hell no Theistic Satanist; he's quoted The Satanic Bible in songs, in interviews, et cetera, and only recently started saying his membership within the Church of Satan was only "joking" -- mostly due to record label pressure, probably. 12.96.46.209 12:57, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Theistic Satanist" 

message: Does anybody have a source that it's a single? It seems like it's actually confirmed now, and will now be needlessly difficult to add due to the speculative additions of it previously. Zazaban 01:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Putting Holes In Happiness 

message: Do you all think this is a reliable source?  My problem with it is that it sort of presents itself as a factual source, but it's kind of got an agenda - to convince you that Christianity is right.  It just seems kind of sneaky.  Anyway, what do you all think of replacing the source?  delldot talk 02:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, the article that source cites seems to kind of contradict what the article says: We say he was "raised in his mother's religion", but in the beliefnet interview that I think is the one cited by the popularissues site I'm questioning, he says, "My father was Catholic, but my mother, I believe, was Episcopal. So I sort of veered off into the watered-down version of Catholicism." So I think this should be changed.  delldot talk 03:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All about popular issues - reliable? 

message: The photo we had before might not have been brilliant, but I think a painting is far less useful as the main picture for someone. Surely there must be plenty of other possible photos we could use? (E.g., a quick search through the history shows before we had :Image:Marilyn Manson Ljubljana 2007.JPG.) Mdwh 10:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the picture is awful, to be honest.  What about a GFDL liscensed photo?  I'm sure I could get permission for a quality image.  For examples of "my work" (asking for permission basically), take a look here: (first row).  I think if we get a high quality image with proper permission the photo will stop changing every 5 seconds. Drewcifer 23:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Painting? 

message: I agree with the proposal to merge the Celebritarian Corporation article into this one. Bearian 15:56, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Celebritarian Corporation, I've done a rudimentary merge. Feel free to expand if fit. --Tikiwont 10:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger