Talk:Suitcase scandal

message: Antonini is the last name, Wilson is the second last name, customary of latin American naming.--F3rn4nd0 (Roger - Out) 22:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So should the article use 'Antonini-Wilson'? Most sources I've seen just use 'Wilson' Questioning81 22:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

text: great job, that's a good start!--F3rn4nd0 (Roger - Out) 01:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Antonini

message: The names of nestor kirchner and his wife were removed, maybe add them back to the article since there are numerous sources involving them in the scandal!!? --F3rn4nd0 (Roger - Out) 06:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about first opining on the merge, so we can get this text together in one place first?  And whenever making allegations about living persons, a cite must be provided.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 07:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourced info

message: I removed the following text:
:*The governor of Carabobo started a campaign accusing the media of promoting "terrorism" by talking about "scandals". Around the country, placards were swiftly produced to declare scandals from the media to be terrorist acts.
JRSP questioned its relevance in his edit summary; I've searched the internet for a source, and can't find one.  Apparently it was originally sourced to some Carabobo newspaper, but it wasn't sourced correctly and I can't locate a reference.  It also doesn't seem highly relevant to the story, but perhaps if a source can be located, relevance can be established.  The original author of most of this material needs to get busy sourcing all of it; almost everything else can be sourced to the various news reports still listed in External links, but this work needs to be done.  The more time that goes by, the harder it will be to add the inline citations after the fact.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Governor means media scandals in general, not specifically el maletinazo. But  he can be as noisy as the media he criticizes :-) I don't think his opinions are relevant to the article. JRSP 15:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, still seems only marginally related to me; I think we need a much stronger connection and relevance established before adding this back.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Governor of Carabobo sentence removed 

message: ===Involvement of Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner===
On Wednesday December 13, 2007 the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) arrested three Venezuelans and one Uruguayan accusing them of being agents of the Venezuelan government who intended to look for Antonini to help cover up the scandal of the money that was intended for "a candidate" in the Argentine presidential elections of 2007. The men arrested in Miami were charged with acting as agents of Venezuela's government and failing to register themselves as such.
The Attorney general in charge of the case Thomas Mulvihill said that one of the arrested individuals, named Franklin Durán had declared that the money was for the then presidential candidate Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner. The Ambassador of the United States to Argentina Earl Antonhy Wayne assured that this had nothing to do with the Argentina-United States relations.
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner responded to the investigation led by the United States dubbing it "operación basura" (Operation garbage).  
--Zer0~Gravity (Roger - Out) 19:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: new section?

message: On Wednesday December 13, 2007 the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) arrested three Venezuelans and one Uruguayan accusing them of being agents of the Venezuelan government who intended to look for Antonini to help cover up the scandal of the money that was intended for "a candidate" in the Argentine presidential elections of 2007. The men arrested in Miami were charged with acting as agents of Venezuela's government and failing to register themselves as such.
The Attorney general in charge of the case Thomas Mulvihill said that one of the arrested individuals, named Franklin Durán had declared that the money was for the then presidential candidate Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner. The Ambassador of the United States to Argentina Earl Antonhy Wayne assured that this had nothing to do with the Argentina-United States relations.
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner responded to the investigation led by the United States dubbing it "operación basura" (Operation garbage).  
--Zer0~Gravity (Roger - Out) 19:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Involvement of Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner

message: On reading through the article I don't quite understand why the US FBI would be involved in something which seems to be an issue between Venezuela and Argentina.  How do they come into all this?
83.241.192.2 (talk) 12:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: FBI?

message: Hello guys. I am not in a hurry per say, my concern is that, until very recently, there has been no hint of the text being edited, only talks about it being re-written some time int he future, in the mean time, AFG, Proarepa and the Beyloune and Barrueco family are mentioned the biggest encyclopedia on planet hearth in a huge scandal, without them having had had anything to do with it. Just imagine. All news reports agree on where the money came from, who carried it, for whom he was carrying it, who was charged with the crime and who the money was for. None of those persons have anything to do with the companies and persons on list A. Of course the following suggestion is tainted with my stance on this matter, but, perhaps, until the article is re-written, the text in bold could be suppressed, at least temporarily:
"According to El Nuevo Herald and El Universal, Antonini Wilson owns a condo in Ocean Club, Key Biscayne, Florida; together with Wladimir Abad, he is registered as owner of a building located in Mashta Avenue, in Key Biscayne, valued at $US3.96 million.[22] Wladimir Abad is the secretary of American Food Grain (AFG),[23] a part of a Venezuelan holding called Proarepa, owned by Sarkis Arslanian Beyloune and Ricardo Fernández Barrueco.[22][24] Proarepa was in charge of the food distribution during Venezuela's oil strike of 2002, when Chávez signed contracts for food distribution. According to the Venezuelan Government Press Office, Proarepa is a private company that has "joined this mission (Mission Mercal) to offer food and better price to the Venezuelan consumer".[22] According to El Nuevo Herald, Antonini Wilson's name is linked to other companies in southern Florida, such as Venuz Supply Inc., Intertel Telecom and Techmilk Inc.;[22][25][26] La Nación says that Antonini is among a group of businessmen who benefited economically during the administration of Hugo Chávez.[26] In May of 2007, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) confiscated a jet belonging to American Food Grain. The report, according to The Miami Herald, says Ricardo Fernández Barruecos had not respected federal norms to register the plane in the United States.[22][23][27]"
The mention of Antonini owning the condo with Abad will stay, since there is a link there.
What are your thoughts on that?
BR,
Alessio.aguirre (talk) 04:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In other words, you basically want Wikipedia to suppress a story that is reported by The Miami Herald, El Nuevo Herald, St. Petersburg Times, Clarín, La Nación, USA Today, and El Universal based on your word, for individuals who are possibly your business clients, and without giving us any reliable source that retracts the story?  I know very capable editors who are fluent in Spanish and who could help us re-write the article, but this is exactly why I hesitate to begin the work here.  Your request is not founded in Wikipedia policies, rather some level of discomfort that Wikipedia is reporting a story about these people that has been reported in at least seven newspapers. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I understand, Sandy, it is a "six degrees of separation" thing: This article is about "El Maletinazo", Antonini is clearly related to the case. Now, Antonini may be related to other subjects. The question is: are the latter relevant to "El Maletinazo"? Even worse, we have that Antonini owns a condo together with Abad who is the secretary of AFG that is part of Proarepa which is owned by Beyloune and Barrueco. How many degrees of separation are there? Following this line, the whole world population would be involved in the scandal! JRSP (talk) 17:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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That's all for now (I find it strange that none of the English-language sources mention that Guido Antonini Wilson was exonerated, as the Spanish-language El Nuevo Herald does ... they imply it, but never say it, as far as I can tell).  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:56, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is anybody ever going to bother re-write this article taking out all the claims which are no longer valid?190.245.176.159 (talk) 14:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
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