Talk:German submarine U-234

message: From the article: Hirschfeld has revealed since the war that U-234 crew members were already aware Japan had allegedly succeeded in test blasting an atomic weapon before their departure from Germany in March 1945.  This implies there was a test, and hence it needs rewording (there was no such test).  Does someone have the link to the source of this quote? (I want the original so I know how to reword). 194.106.59.2 16:31, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japan test and Hirschfeld's Opinions 

message: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:U-234surrender1.jpg
This is a type IX/C boat, not a type XB!!!
--85.124.72.72 02:59, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong picture 

message: In The Story of a U-Boat Nco 1940-1946, Ulrich Kessler was written as Kai Nieschling . which correct? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.208.179.141 (talk) 07:20, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ulrich Kessler of the Luftwaffe ? 

message: What, in fact, was the reason the boat would...ensure that Canadian units would not reach him first?  Surely the Canadians didn't have that bad a reputation in 1945? Cheers, LindsayHi 18:24, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be quite simple... perhaps they thought conditions in US POW camps would be preferable to those in Canada. Salmanazar (talk) 15:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awful Canadians! 

message: A student handed in an A+ paper identifying these 'historians/authors' as a disgrace to whatever Educational Institution they claim accreditation from. He compared them to the portion of Americans that American comedians joke STILL TODAY believe Saddam was behind 9/11 & had WMDs ready to use on America.
If anyone knows what Universities these 'authors' graduated from, please let me know, so I can steer my kids away from them.
These people seem to be trying to pass the blame for Hiroshima & Nagasaki onto anyone else but America. These 'authors' go on to claim the Japanese were somehow so much smarter than we are, that for a tiny fraction of the Manhatten Project in time, money, manpower & resources, STILL went on to successfully test one, some say even two, atomic bombs by war's end. Let alone the Germans obviously succeeding by March 1945. Seriously, if they are going to even say it was the German Uranium from that Uboat the was used in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs, then how far behind the Germans were we? Comon.
As he wrote in his opening paragraph, COMMON SENSE dictates these authors are lying. If someone with Hitler's character truly had so much enriched weapons-grade uranium, that he could afford to send 2 atomic bombs worth to Japan, 
then why didn't Hitler use them himself?
And all this focus on the Uboat captain surrendering to American instead of Canadian officials is ridiculous. Big deal, so what? What? Canadians were known as the Gestapo-like bullies of the world or something? Comon.
The British atomic bomb program that evolved into the Manhatten Project(Leslie Groves called Churchill, not FDR, 'the greatest friend the Manhatten Project had'), had already set up Canadian Uranium & heavy water using Quebec hydro-electric power along with the European scientists like Zilard who were working with the British and Canadian effort...all going to the American Manhatten Project anyways...so who cares? What's the big deal? What? Canada sent all it's resources and program to the Manhatten Project just so they could start their own nuclear arms race with the USA? Comon.
This all smacks of 'National Inquirer' version of historical reckoning.AthabascaCree (talk) 08:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Students have more Common Sense 

message: There appears to be some conflict here - was the stuff stored in "lead cubes" (as per Hirschfeld) or "gold-lined cylinders" (as per Scalia)? Scalia has some actual evidence for it being cylinders in the form of an old wartime document, but is there any evidence for lead cubes apart from Hirschfeld's memory? Salmanazar (talk) 10:40, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uranium oxide storage 

message: Why was U-234 sunk instead of being installed somewhere as a museum piece? It could still be attracting tourists today, but noooo, the US Navy had to blow it up. Bizzybody (talk) 05:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why sink it? 

message: I'm a little concerned that the facts of U-234's surrender have been glossed over. Hirschfeld is quite clear in his book (and he should know as he was the WO in charge of the radio dept) that the US engaged in the deliberate jamming of Canadian signals in order to prevent Canada communicating with the submarine. The submarine being in that area of the Atlantic wherein German submarines should have sailed to Canadian Ports.
Also no mention of the treatment of the crew upon surrender is mentioned on the page and how with hindsight they regretted choosing the USA rather than Canada. There is also mention of a white flag having to be flown - again this is a gloss over, surrendering submarines were instructed to fly a black flag by the allies, this met with great resentment as it signified to the submarine crews that they were being considered as pirates.
I would happily add these to the article - providing appropriate references to Hirschfield's book where appropriate but my concern is that such entires would as a matter of course annoy a certain section of the editors here who decry any adverse comment about the US pre/during and WW2. It is also further evidence of the rarely mentioned US policy of undermining the economic and political well being of the Commonwealth throughout the war. Naturally I wouldn't make reference to this in the article for it is far beyond the scope this particular article however when evidence of one ally deliberately jamming the signals of an ally in order to gain economic/scientific at their expense the conclusion is unavoidable.
Hence my entry here as a RFD prior to any edit being made. PrinceElrik (talk) 19:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

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