Talk:Survivor: Marquesas

message: There is a proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Survivor task force#Jury vote tables to list the vote totals in the same order as the names in the finalist row immediately above the vote totals. All interested editors are invited to join that discussion.  Since the Survivor task force appears to be inactive, I'm notifying Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Reality television task force and the talk pages for each Survivor season in order to reach interested editors.  Schazjmd (talk) 16:38, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survivor jury vote table discussion 

message: Does anyone else agree that the new table layout for contestants, season summary, and voting history are very unpleasing to the eye? The way that they were previously looked way better. Thoughts? NintendoGeek (talk) 23:39, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: On quick glance, I don't see a difference in the season summary table, but I think the contestants and voting history tables are better now. I think the overuse of color in the previous versions is very distracting. Schazjmd (talk) 23:59, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is this Lee Vilenski person messing up the tables? The way they've always been done is most convenient and gives all the necessary information at a glance. There was no overuse in color, those colors represented information that now has to be discerned from other date. Unfortunately, I cannot undo those changes due to conflicts in intermediate revisions. Noticing these inconsistent edits on pages for different seasons recently. Please stop, whoever you are doing this. 78.56.108.196 (talk) 01:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The old format breaks our accessibility rules for avoiding using color to convey key information. Color should augment and not be the sole means to present that. There's also other factors related to color that are to be avoided that the old format made worse. Lee has been fixing these based on GA reviews of these articles. --Masem (t) 02:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you just now implementing this after YEARS of having it one way? 66.25.94.86 (talk) 20:33, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The accessibility issue was raised when one of the season pages was being reviewed recently at Good Article, so all the tables need fixing. --Masem (t) 20:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Who made these rules and who made them God? It's stupid and unnecessary. It was fine the way it was. Because one or two assholes with power said no, now all of a sudden it's changing? This is honestly BS. 66.25.94.86 (talk) 00:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Quite frankly, the "way they were previously" were not consistent with our rules, specifically that they were both broken for people who use screen readers (see MOS:ACCESS), used colours on their own to explain information (a violation of WP:COLOUR), and quite frankly often make the tables unreadable with garish colours and duplicated information many times throughout the article. These were both things that were brought up at a recent good article assessment, and also do not need local consensus, as our site wide manual of style] trumps local opinion. I will only say this once more, please do not revert these tables. Yes, there are some (probably the majority) that do not meet the MOS yet. It does take me some time to get the table fixed - I am working on it. Feel free to use the existing design on pages where we do not meet the guidelines if we are worried about consistency. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 06:32, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Table Layout