Talk:Terence V. Powderly

message: The statement in the lead paragraph, Powderly "downplayed the use of strikes to achieve worker goals," is a near-acceptable summation of Powderly's complex stance on strikes. Another notion, however, pops up in the body of the article. In the section on the Knights of Labor, we see the gross oversimplification "Powderly disliked strikes." Strangely, the source cited is Craig Phelan's "Grand Master Workman," a book that argues much the opposite. The same book also refutes the importance of Powderly's so-called "personal ambivalence" toward strikes, as his stance was consistent with that of many contemporary labor leaders. "(L)ike virtually all labor leaders, Powderly recognized that workers would continue to address grievances through strike action, that the strike constituted an essential weapon of last resort, and that strikes could be an effective means of organizing the unorganized." (Phelan, pp. 57-59)
The record shows Powderly's attitude to be one of caution.
"When violence is once invoked in a labor trouble, the odds are from that time against the success of the strikers." (Phelan, page 27)
"I believe that when you begin [a strike], you should make a success of it by every means." (Phelan, page 58)
By 1880, the Knights established clearer definitions for strike procedures "designed to curb unauthorized walkouts and more ably assist authorized ones." (Phelan, page 105)
"If we are to support strikes...let us adopt some means of providing for those who are engaged in the battle." (Phelan, page 120)
AECwriter 03:14, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powderly On Strikes 

message: While they are handy to use, it's often better to source to other online versions, which allow more than one person to view them. Anmccaff (talk) 22:02, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing to "checked out" sources 

message: "The Path.." p20
:The important dates are already included. The rest is fluff. TimothyJosephWood 00:11, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: George Stephenson and the Stourbridge Lion are "fluff." Kewl.  Anmccaff (talk) 00:15, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  This, on the other hand, might belong.  With a note that it is his own telling, until a secondary source shows. 

message: This might be worth adding if the article expands enough to justify it (along with the  Whistler bit. Anmccaff (talk) 19:56, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Arthur Fickenscher]] connection 

message: Richard Oestreicher's Terence Powderly, the Knights of Labor, and Artisanal Republicanism, explicitly states that Powderly probably exaggerated his family's poverty at  the time of his birth, and notes both TP, sr.'s mine holding, his, and Powderly's brother Hugh's political career etc. see p 32.  Anmccaff (talk) 21:42, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Powderly section in Dubofsky 

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