Talk:Boris Johnson

message: There has been a  template on this article since added by User:Tim O'Doherty in June '23, and User:Tpbradbury has just updated the template's word count to 19,000. (Thanks both!)
Based on the rule of thumb at WP:SIZESPLIT that pages over 15,000 words "almost certainly should be divided or trimmed", I propose that the Early life and education and Early career sections of this article be split into a seperate page called Early life and career of Boris Johnson.
The rationale for turning those two sections into that specific page is that:
* they are two of the largest level 1 heading subsections of this article that don't link out to a seperate article on the topic, eg. in the way the Mayor of London (2008–2016) section links out to Mayoralty of Boris Johnson.
* there is precedent for this type of spinout article for world leaders, eg. Early life and career of Joe Biden, Early life and career of Barack Obama.
I believe Johnson's early career (especially Spectator/Henley) is notable enough, well-sourced enough, and these sections large enough, to make its own page.
Your thoughts welcome.
Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Jonathan Deamer - Nice to see some action being taken, good on you for that. I'm not sure an entire new article's the best solution, but it's certainly an option. I think there is a lot of cruft and detail then can be condensed or removed in the article itself, certainly later down too. I might pursue that first. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 21:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Support: I was thinking of something very similar to this just the other day. It would be a strong step in the right direction to address the prose size issue, so I can get behind it since it's also been done for other prominent leaders. TheBritinator (talk) 04:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Oppose - I feel this is an article about Boris Johnson as a person and politician, it should stay here but I'd suggest trim it a little. Lagwerious (talk) 19:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting proposal - new article: "Early life and career of Boris Johnson" 

message: Particularly anyone outside of Australia. Seeing people say Boris Johnson is nicknamed "Bojo" just looks like someone is trying to crib Scott Morrison's style by applying the formula of his nickname (Scomo) to Borris Johnson Soft and Stout (talk) 09:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably more when he was Mayor of London rather than during his term as PM, but I've heard it quite a lot. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 16:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

text: American here who is a somewhat regular reader of British news. Pretty popular news media and tabloid shorthand. Also common  online/social media parlance about him. I sense that it is at least sometimes derisive, seeking to paint him as diminutive and as a tabloid figure rather than a distinguished statesman. I'm not sure if anyone uses it as a term of endearment or reverence about him, perhaps some do. And perhaps my read that it is sometimes derisive is completely off-base. SecretName101 (talk) 17:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

text: This is obviously more anecdotal, but I call him that all the time, and no one ever bats an eyelid when I do. Probs more common than "Johnson" in everyday use (apart from in specifically formal newspapers or whatever), and I don't think many British people would be familiar with "Scomo" for Scott Morrison (I certainly wasn't), so I doubt it was specifically based off that. Farleigheditor (talk) 13:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Yes, it was used quite a lot back in the day, when he was fairly popular.  Certainly where I live, people tend to use more pejorative terms about him now. Black Kite (talk) 13:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does any one actually call Boris Johnson "BoJo"

message: On 2 May Johnson was turned away from his local polling station, for the 2024 United Kingdom local elections, after forgetting his required photo ID. This has been very widely reported: AP, Sky, BBC, The Independent, Reuters, The Guardian, ITVX, etc., etc. I'm surprised this is not mentioned, especially considering which Prime Minister was responsible for the relevant legislation. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Why didn't you just add it? As long as you keep it accurate, neutral, in-context, and policy compliant, unlike yesterday's inaccurate, one-sided, and context-free attempt. The Guardian can help further, it has a more up-to-date article about it today, covering Johnson's own coverage of the event from his Daily Mail column too. We could possibly create a whole section about it, if not even a new article? -- DeFacto (talk). 14:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's particularly noteworthy personally. This article is already too long to begin with, and I'm not convinced it passes the WP:10YEARTEST. Michaeldble (talk) 19:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't quite decide if it's just a publicity stunt or if he really is that stupid: "" Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Or just another example of his renowned absent-mindedness? -- DeFacto (talk). 09:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes. Inventing rules that others should follow. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: As entertaining as it is, this really doesn't seem notable enough for this page. It's already ridiculously bloated to begin with Michaeldble (talk) 20:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: So it could be trimmed. Ridiculously trimmed, even. I'd suggest it's far more relevant here than at 2024  United Kingdom local elections. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant the article was too bloated btw. I was going to suggest moving it to the local elections & Elections Act 2022 articles possibly Michaeldble (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that might be even funnier more relevant. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I don't think it would be due or relevant in either the 2024 United Kingdom local elections or the local elections & Elections Act 2022 articles. It's more to do with Johnson's character than election law. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Tend to agree. Although yes, he probably deserves a mention at Zip line. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant that it could be included in those articles with the angle of there being difficulties in implementing the new legislation with this as an example. I just don't think we should have it here - we don't need to include everything that's mentioned about him in reliable sources, he's probably the most high profile British politician of the last 10 years. Michaeldble (talk) 21:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This wasn't an example of difficulties implementing the legislation though, this was an example of how well it worked, with even when a well-known character having to go home to get his ID after he had forgotten to bring it. -- DeFacto (talk). 21:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: But it is an example of Johnson forgetting about rules he himself introduced in government? That's partly why it's received so much media coverage. Unless, perhaps, he just wanted to publicly demonstrate how well the legislation works. Although that might be uncharitable. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Move it to 2024_United_Kingdom_local_elections? Uwappa (talk) 20:07, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Or let DeFacto create his stand-alone article? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha ha, yes, go for it! How about a light hearted page called Boris Bloopers or BoJo fun facts, which includes other funny moments such as the dangling on a zip wire? Uwappa (talk) 20:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I won't be creating an article on it. I don't mind it being in this article so long as the context is all kept intact. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: And let's all not forget Peppa Pig World... Martinevans123 (talk) 20:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

text: How about a new subchapter in Public_image_of_Boris_Johnson#Political_image? Uwappa (talk) 07:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it's becoming obvious that we may need to make allowances for someone who is now getting even more befuddled and forgetful in his later years? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Yes, that might be a possibility. Although this was something really "outside" politics? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

text: On wonders why he would mention or present his copy of Prospect magazine. Because he had forgotten it was useless? Because he wanted to test the system? As one of his funny bumbling jokes, so he'd make the headlines? For some other reason(s)? Maybe he thought he had his passport with him, but just discovered he'd mistakenly left it at home. It's hard to know, isn't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine. So should the incident be in or out? ~~~ Masato.harada (talk) 08:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be in. As it was very widely reported in the news. That's why I added it. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

text: This episode is unlikely to have enduring significance and should be excluded. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree that "" We all are those, aren't we. Relative and enduring significance will depend on how long he lives and what he does next. As he's no longer an MP, his political career seems to be on a diminishing path. But who knows. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turned away