Talk:Bengali calendars

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: : Newspaper sources are okay in some cases, but not in other cases in wikipedia. An admin @Nyttend recently explained it well, as follows:
::Quote: Journalists virtually never have scholarly training in history/anthropology/ethnography/etc. — they're generalists as far as this kind of thing goes, not knowing more than what's needed for background purposes, and as such we mustn't consider them reliable sources for such fields.  Exceptions can exist, of course, and we can't discount a journalist merely because of his job (e.g. he could be an avocational anthropologist so dedicated to the field that he's a member of a learned society), but even then we should only trust his writings if they've gotten reviewed by other experts; the most scholarly journalist will have his newspaper writeups reviewed by nobody except the newspaper's editors, whom again we can trust to know a lot about news reporting but we can't trust to know much of anything about "olds" reporting.  We can take newspaper reports as authoritative if we're writing a middle school report for our teachers, but encyclopedia writing demands better sources. - Nyttend, 24 February 2017
I would welcome a summary by you from better peer reviewed scholarly sources on Bengali calendar's history, rather than newspaper articles/tabloids, in light of above comment. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 12:49, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caution with newspaper sources 

message: @Akib.H: Why two standards? If in the Muslim influence section the context of taxes is important to mention, then why isn't the context of Vedic rituals / ancient festivals important in the Buddhist/Hindu influence section? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:27, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The first one was canvasing the second one was not. Point out the policy that requires me to be discrete in this scenario. This page was in my watchlist and it would have shown up anyways. Why are you so stuck on making this a Muslim/Hindu issue, FYI, I am neither. In the "Muslim section", there is no content about origins of the Islamic calendar because it would be Undue. Engage in discussion, do an RFC, before inserting controversial material. Come to a consensus first on the material.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 15:55, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite. The context about the origins of the Bengali Hindu calendar, as explained in the reliable sources, is relevant. Just like the tax collection-related context about the origins of Tarikh-e-Elahi in this article. Both explain the context behind what led to the development of respective calendars. I suggest we keep both, as they make the article more informative and a better reference source. Are you suggesting we delete both? why? or why not? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:03, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keeping the context 

message: @Vinegarymass911: Just checked the edit history. You never edited this article before today, April 17 2017! I wonder how long you have had it in your watch list. It is the old pre-April 4 2017 version that made this article into a Muslim thing/invention, suppressed Buddhist/Hindu history behind the Bengali calendar. This old version misrepresented the sources it cited. The Chakrabarti source, for example, states 
:On page 114 second para under the Calendar, "King Shashanka is credited with introducing the Bengali calendar."
:Similarly, p. 114, the first para states, "The Bengali calendar is a solar calendar, which is based on Surya Siddhanta, a Sanskrit text on astronomy, and is used in Bangladesh and in the states of West Bengal, Assam, and Tripura in India".
The old version did not even mention Shashanka, nor the pre-Islamic roots of the calendar mentioned in the above source. The pre-Muslim roots are discussed in numerous scholarly sources I have so far reviewed. I welcome you to join me in ending such misrepresentation and systematic bias against any side, as it weakens the wikipedia project. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:37, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Systematic disruption and bias in this article

message: @ArmanJ: Please review an admin's explanation note here on newspaper and similar sources. Please respect it, and do not delete peer reviewed secondary and tertiary scholarly sources. Your cooperation is requested, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:23, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Newspaper/tabloid articles as sources

message: There is a table of months in this article. The rightmost column of that table lists Hindu Vikrami lunar month names. I propose replacing this with Hindu Vikrami solar month names (i.e. rashi names). The following is my reasoning: Bengali months start with sankramana hence they correspond to Vikrami solar months. Reasoning the other way, Bengali months do not begin/end with new moon or full moon. Hence, they have no correspondence whatsoever to Vikrami lunar months. I understand that Bengali month names are variants of Vikrami lunar month names, but in my opinion that is a mis-direction :-); the months are defined by the Sun's movement but their names are defined based on where the moon is during Purnima! Kishorekumar 62 (talk) 10:20, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bengali months 

message: I really want to ask wiki editors, do they sincerely believe that the Bengali calendar is anything but a regional adaptation of Hindu Calendar? All months are essentially Sanskrit terms. It has just been modernised in the 20th century. 2409:4052:248D:AE54:4EEF:367:6D4F:A3FE (talk) 13:17, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @2409:4052:248D:AE54:4EEF:367:6D4F:A3FE: All month names of the Bengali calendar are derived from Sanskrit. But it has nothing to do with the calendar being a solar calendar. It has been used since the time of Akbar. — Diptyajit (talk) 21:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why this allergy towards the term Hindu? 

message: @ 103.138.24.166 (talk) 13:04, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  BanglaBangla Barsapanj or celender