Talk:PlayStation 3/Archive 15

message: "Sony has made an option for your console to toast bread in the XMB menu to install other operating systems. Among other Linux distributions, Ubuntu, Fedora Core 5, Gentoo, Debian, and Yellow Dog have been run on the PS3." Shouldn't it be "have been ran on the PS3."?
:See Wiktionary here, number 2, sample sentence 3.....J.delanoy 15:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Linux

message: Should "PlayStation 3 competes with Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Nintendo's Wii as part of the seventh generation of video game consoles." exist in the article heading for the Playstation 3 article? I feel that this information is irrelevant and should be removed. At the very least it should be in a different section of the article.  The Playstation 3 isn't defined by its competiton and it seems odd for it to be in such a prominent place.
--Bdhoff 04:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Header information

message: I feel that the "Reception" section should be rename to something else...like "criticism" or something, since it is is 3 months after launch and the section reflects more than just how it was recepted. Your thoughts?
(I also feel there needs to be a new index picture) Kmillard92 03:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Reception" renaming

message: hamilton spectator
I'm not sure if this is fit to be in the article, but i found it interesting. dposse 00:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I read on IGN that 2007 speculation may mark the end of the 20 gb version.Pumapayam 17:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

text: If putting out one million units is oversaturating, then Sony is in deep trouble. Microsoft sold 1.5 million 360s in 05, and that was restricted by supply! The Playstation 3 might have crushed the 360 if it was released a year ago, but its launch has thusfar only provided leverage for the Wii. Of course the Japanese market can bail Sony out on this one, but not for a couple of years. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 04:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ps3 sales are going backward. Ps3 scalpers returning Ps3s to stores. 

message: According to Gamedaily, NPD informed them that several sites are wrongly crediting the sales figures from the CNBC report to NPD, and furthermore the actual NPD report will be released on January 11.  Dionyseus 13:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CNBC sales figures are wrong 

message: "Final Fantasy" isn't a single game, it's a series of games. There are 12 games (including the NES & SNES compilations) in the series released for the PS and/or PS2. Which of those games are the ones reported to be having glitches on the PS3? Redxiv 17:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It likely referred to Final Fantasy XI, which has since been fixed via a firmware update. --Kamasutra 23:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backward compatibility 

message: "competes primarily against Microsoft's Xbox 360 and, to a lesser extent, Nintendo's Wii.
" Why does it compete with one of the consoles to a lesser extent, it's the same market after all and Wii has already sold more than Wii. Nothing serious, I just want an explanation please. Thanks! :) Beachw 22:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It just has to do with the similarities of the consoles. Perhaps it is the same general market, but when considering the capabilities of the consoles and targeted audience/demographic it seems the Wii diverges from both of the other two more so than they are dissimilar to each other. For instance, if you want a video game console that also plays high-definition movies then it will be Microsoft and Sony "competing" for your money. Of course, this is just my short analysis of the statement and it should have a reliable source associated.  --Kamasutra 22:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: In the same way a Rolex watch competes against a Breitlung watch for the buyers attention and to a lesser extent competes against a Casio watch.87.102.23.224 23:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Basically, Nintendo has stated on numerous occasions that it’s not interested in competing directly with Microsoft and Sony’s next-gen consoles. That’s evinced by the Wii’s lack of support for features that are considered standard on both the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3 — things like DVD and CD playback, high-definition games/movies, and full surround sound. Also, as Kamasutra mentioned above, Nintendo is targeting a much wider demographic (namely, everyone) with their system, while the PS3 and 360 are generally considered to be aimed at the 18-to-34 male crowd. Plus, there’s the wide discrepancy in price between the PS3 ($499 or $599) and the Wii ($249.99) as well. (See IGN Wii: Wii Stands Alone for more details) —BrOnXbOmBr21 06:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To a lesser extent? 

message: http://www.guidetohometheater.com/hddiscplayers/1206ps3blu/index3.html
http://www.hometheatermag.com/playstation3/1206playstation3/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,127868-page,1-c,gameconsoles/article.html
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/12/prweb494193.htm
http://www.jacksonholestartrib.com/articles/2006/12/29/features/weekender/4bbcf1ef4bf0ce45872572520062e366.txt
PS3 using 25% of power
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14978&ncid=AOLGAM000500000000017
PC World lists the PS3 in spot 8 of its "Top 21 Tech Screwups of 2006"  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.88.146.173 (talk) 07:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-release reception 

message: "Recently, gamers have noticed Playstation 2 games look significantly worse when played on the Playstation 3 (as opposed to being played on the PS2), which includes the PS3 making the textures worse, dulling the colors, and blurring the image. []"
I've removed this from the article as original research because a fan created video on Youtube is not a proper source. If anyone can find a better source, then add it back in. dposse 19:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like this was enough of an issue for Sony to fix it in the latest firmware update. As of 1.5, this issue has been resolved. I think this should be included in the article, I don't think it still classifies as original research. By the way, BobtheVila, the PS3 actually does not use software emulation for backwards compatibility, it uses the same chip set used in the PS2 Slim. Fforde 18:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ps2 graphics on Ps3. 

message: User:Ciao 90 added one in this recent edit. It's not really referring to sales, but simply shipped consoles, and whether goals for shipping are important or not is debatable. Just pointing it out. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 16:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely forgot that Sony figures are shipments, and not sales. Does anyone have the most recent confirmed sales total? The infobox needs to be fixed. Dancter 16:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales section 

message: This page nor the PS3 controller page has not made it really clear how simular the PS3 controller is to the Wii Remote. In short this is what I want to know, and I think should be explained on this page: Is the PS3 tilt sensitivity a direct carbon copy rip off of the Wii Remote or is it slightly different (eg. less detailed, more detailed etc)? Also has Nintendo made any statements about intellectual property theft or not? --Little Jimmy 01:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They also are NOT the same.  The PS3 controller does not have any way of determining it's position. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.74.109.122 (talk) 04:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Cmsjustin: find a reliable source saying that, then add.--WhereAmI 02:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt any reliable source would be able to affirm anything more than its ergonomic design. It would be original research to say that it was intended to be in the SIXAXIS, but according to this patent it seems that Sony did have the intention to implement gyroscopic sensors with piezoelectric ceramic elements into a controller back in 1997. --Kamasutra 22:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How simular is the PS3 Controller to the Wii Remote? 

message: The small writing in the infobox, for the release is small to read and confusing, the flags where a lot more sensible. The Xbox 360 page has a good layout with flags and a map at the bottom with a link to more release dates. AxG (talk) (sign here) 19:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bring back the flags 

message: So I tried eating pie but it was the wrong kind of pie, so i went ahead changing an unnecessary comment in the article, and the article screwed up.  I think it has to to with Wikipedia reading the page coding, and I am not fully understandable on how Wikipedia works in that manner.  Can someone fix this?--WhereAmI 03:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was able to fix it, someone forgot to /ref--WhereAmI 03:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Weird

message: Hi there I am asking if any of you could help me eat some pie?, before i full the table with all of the prices on the PS3 release data page. PS3 wins 18:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can you help with the PS3 release data page? 

message: Enchanted Arms is now going to be available in the U.S., so I've listed it (again) in the table.
If anyone doesn't think it should be there, please post here before you delete it. Amish Gramish 06:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Enchanted Arms!?!?!?!?

message: Hi,
I am new hear and was just wondering how I could make an article. I am sorry for posting hear. --Kingdom hearts llll 22:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You want the help desk, not this place. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 23:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to make an article 

message: For the video game, see Phantasy Star III. This should not be here. This is not a "PS3" disambiguator page; it is the page for "PlayStation 3" specifically.
:That seems like a rule you just made up. It is not uncommon to use such a message when there is no disambiguation page. Notice that "PS3" redirects here (because it is the most common usage), but it is not the only thing to be abbreviated that way. See top links for more information. --Kamasutra 23:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phantasy Star III redirect 

message: Koei is going to release a new PS3 game - Gundam Musou on 1st of March. Don't know what's going on, but someone removed the name of that game from the gamelist. Lugiadoom 01:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Gundam Musou 

message: A while ago, I put a  template in the section that has the month-by-month table of the XMB’s background color. At the time that I put the template there, no color table existed; there was simply a list. The template has since been removed, and now there is the table. I still don’t see any reference listed for this information, and frankly, I can’t verify it myself. I bought my PS3 on December 31, 2006, and the background of the XMB at the time was certainly not red (instead, it was black). Right now (January), though, it’s gray. I’m putting the citation template back in there...please find a source. —BrOnXbOmBr21 08:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  XMB Background Color? 

message: In the article: "The PS3 and Xbox 360 are both capable of HD at resolutions of up to 1080p (1920 by 1080 progressive)"
- As far as I know, the Xbox 360 is only capable of up to 720i (1920 by 1080 interleaved)
That was all it used to be capable of, but in the 360 firmware upgrade they added it in. 222.153.90.27 21:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong. The Xbox 360, as with the PS3, can both upscale games to 1080p, or have them native. It was not capable of this at launch, but can with the update. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 00:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake? 

message: What is not neutral about it?  Discuss here and without a week of discussion the neutrality dispute will be deleted.--WhereAmI 03:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm guessing it's related to the above discussion on including criticism of the console. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The History section definitely seems to have been written with a biased slant. Sentences like "At E3 2005, Sony claimed the PlayStation 3 would have two HDMI and three Ethernet ports, which were later reduced to one of each (due to decided redundancy, therefore not worth the extra costs)." For example.(89.240.88.241 09:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats because it was redundant to have the two HDMI's and would have made the price go high.  The Ethernet ports are also phased out since the PS3 is a wireless router (the 600$ model.)  It is not like it was impossible to put in the extra Ethernet ports and the extra HDMI, so how else would you word it?  Besides, thats Sony's official comment.--WhereAmI 18:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how that bit is POV'd at all. These features cost more money, hence they were removed. Where's the bias? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 19:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: I've added a section on cluster computing. I'm not sure where it best belongs (maybe in the "Linux" subsection???) so I just created a new one. Perhaps an editor with more experience on the PS3 article can place the info some place more appropriate. Hpcanswers 07:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it makes more sense as a sub-section in the Hardware Summary, so I’m putting it there. —BrOnXbOmBr21 08:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  High-performance computing blurb 

message: The Swedish price of 5999 SEK is more equivalent to $850 than to $650 ($856 according to Google, and I can instantly tell $650 in an incorrent conversion). Please, someone correct this.
:He is right, the prices when converted to US dollars are off for quite a few of the countries/zones.
::The UK price converted to US Dollars is also incorrect. The Dollar/Pound exchange rate has not been anyway near 1.6 for the past three years. At current exchange rates it should be in excess of $800. 129.215.48.96 09:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Swedish price

message: It says that in NA 1 million have been sold and in Japan 1 million have been sold. So shouldn't the worldwide sales be changed to 2 million?63.3.5.130 22:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shipped does not mean sold.--WhereAmI 00:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Precisely. While although I'm sure that more than 1.2 million have been sold, there are apparently at least hundreds of thousands of units that either haven't hit the shelves yet, or that people simply don't want to buy. Bladestorm 00:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales 

message: I have changed the numeber of units sold so it matches with the number on the History of video game consoles (seventh generation) can someone see if they can find the number of units now sold in America and Japan thanks
84.69.77.238 19:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maths for PS3 sales 

message: How do you play a dvd in the ps3?
BOB —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.75.53.174 (talk) 23:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure myself, but I don't think many people will answer here, since this is the page for discussing changes to the article.  I don't claim to be an expert on these matters, but I think the Help Desk is the place to go. Trixovator 18:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry!  Don't ask at the help desk, that's for asking Wikipedia-related questions, besides we"r eating pie. Pie is Good so  Go to the Entertainment Reference Desk for help. Trixovator 18:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD playing option 

message: Ubisoft has announced that it will be releasing Splinter Cell: Double Agent, Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2, Rainbow Six: Vegas, and a few other titles on the PS3 in time for the European launch. Splinter Cell: Double Agent, in particular, is a significant title which I feel should be added to the list of major titles. Details can be found on the respective pages of each game. —The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk
ages|unsigned]] comment was added by 129.128.233.48 (talk) 08:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splinter Cell: Double Agent, GRAW 2, Vegas, others on PS3 

message: Can we change the way of table displaying XMB colour, because the colour apparently CHANGED in the MIDDLE of the month, each month. For example: November is supposed to be Chocolate, but in mid-nvember, it gradually turned red. By the end of december, entering January, it's gray, and I think the colour looks more vivid the month before at date 20-30 of the month, than the actual month that is supposed to display that colour.--w_tanoto 08:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you’re right. Currently, it’s near the end of January, but my XMB’s background has been yellow for over a week now, maybe even two. —BrOnXbOmBr21 22:16, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  XMB colouring 

message: I'm just wondering. Mexico is said to have PS3 release date on Q1 of 2007, and there is no citation to it for several months. Please consider removing it from this article, into PlayStation 3 launch article.--w_tanoto 08:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexico Release date and price 

message: Yesterday (January 23), I changed the article’s firmware section to separate the firmware revisions for the US and Japanese PlayStation 3 systems. The most recent US version is 1.32, while the most recent Japanese version is 1.5. Tanoshii edited the article so it now says that both the US and Japanese PS3s are at firmware revision 1.5. I have seen this in an Ars Technica journal (Opposable Thumbs: PS3 firmware update fixes PS2 backwards compatibility); however, according to the official PlayStation website’s PS3 software update page (PlayStation 3 - Network - Updates), the current firmware revision for the US PS3 is still 1.32. I don’t want to start an edit war, but since the Ars Technica article isn’t official (and I’d say that Sony’s own PlayStation website takes precedence here), I think the article’s firmware section should look as it did in the version as of 23:49, January 23, 2007 until Sony updates their official PlayStation page. —BrOnXbOmBr21 19:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, now Sony has updated their official page, so the point is moot. —BrOnXbOmBr21 03:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You forgot the bit about how irrelevant it is to include firmware versions in an encyclopedic article. 59.167.56.72 21:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firmware Version 1.5 

message: Would anyone care to delete the games table or replace it with a paragraph? There is nothing particularly encyclopedic about "upcoming games" in a list that omits many, as well as talks about one particular region.  360 doesn't have it, the wii has a table just for launch games and there discusses different regions (both tables should really just be moved to a paragraph).  Is there any reason these particular games are listed as it's not even the full list of games and most of these have moved to a multiplatform stance?  At the very least a new page for games would help more then this table.Kinglink 20:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm trying, please try to convert it to prose. Thanks. --gatoatigrado 16:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleting the games table. 

message: I didn't see any comments as to why the games section was moved under "Hardware summary". It makes no sense to me, and I'm going to change it back. Hopefully there aren't any objections. here is a link to the version before, if anyone has a strong objection. --gatoatigrado 16:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: also, "Despite earlier rumors of programming being difficult, IGN reports that they were told that the dev kit "seemed extremely adaptive and easy to program for"." should be removed. It is a terrible oversimplification. Just because IGN said it dosen't mean it's good or right. Some probably have difficulty, and others have less. Whether it has anything to do with the PlayStation 3 is questionable. From what I have heard, it is more about vectorization and parallelization than the PlayStation 3. --gatoatigrado 17:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: There is no mention of developers duplicating data on the blu ray discs to reduce seek time, or of hard drive caching, so I added that as well. --gatoatigrado 17:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I hope I got the prose right for some of the games section. I don't know that much about the games, so please correct anything. Also, should games in the prose be deleted from the table for organization purposes? --gatoatigrado 17:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  organization 

message: The photo at the top has a cool green tinge too it, obviously it was taken against a green background, that background reflected onto the console, then the photographer photoshopped the background out. It is a little distracting and misleading, I mean if the console had a metallic green tinge to it would be cool. But it doesn't. JayKeaton 23:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Photo at the top is horrible, and needs to be changed. It has extremely poor lighting   and it is hard to see words on it. Please, somebody change to something more appropriate! 222.153.13.188 07:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: I scrolled through the PS3 page expecting a section about criticism (considering almost anything that's subjected to mild dislike has a writeup about 'controversy', etc.). Or is it already on a different page?
Sorry if it's already been written up somewhere else and I'm just being an idiot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.101.20.60 (talk) 01:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, criticism is definitely present in the article. Most of it is under the release data and pricing. --gatoatigrado 05:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

text: If the lack of a criticism section is bothering you, why not just write one? You'll have plenty of material to work with... ;) - Davidjk (msg+edits) 19:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticsm Section 

message: I changed a few things. For example, it said that the most recent firmware update was believed to fix the graphical glitches found in PS2 games. The firmware update does fix the graphical glitches when playing PS2 games. There was also a list stating rumors as facts for the March firmware update. I labeled it as 'rumored features' for the next update. Escobar4Life 08:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small Updates... 

message: I came to this page wondering if the machine and it's games will have any region locks and I can't find that information. I had a good look so either it's there and I'm an idiot or it's not there in which case I think it should be. Surely this has been discussed before (so sorry). The only mention of regions is in the backward compatibility paragraph. What's the story? Kansaikiwi 15:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure why something so important wouldn't be in the article, but all PlayStation 3 games are region free. --Kamasutra 02:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Region locks 

message: Something interesting I found... the PS3 has a special southbridge made for mass video/audio streaming, also handles all of the IO. There's very little info on it, but here's a pdf on the official Cell site, near the end it mentions that it is used in the PS3.
http://cell-industries.com/SCC_Details1.pdf?osCsid=6ca2b55facf45e40c9e5d2d2ad4fed8f
Vash63 03:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Companion Chip 

message: "The PlayStation 3 uses a version of the NetFront browser by Access Co. as its internal web browser. It is the same browser used in the PSP (Sony-branded NetFront 2.81) with the same interface, menus and virtual keyboard."
Can anyone provide a source for this? If not, perhaps it should be removed.  Admittedly, it resembles the PSP browser in look and feel, but AFAIK (and have been told), the browser was developed in-house and is based off of the existing Mozilla codebase - there was no mention of NetFront's involvement whatsoever.
83.67.205.73 20:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 browser source 

message: Under accessories:
"The PlayStation 3 Memory Card Adaptor is a device that allows data to be transferred to and from PlayStation and PlayStation 2 memory cards to the PlayStation 3's hard disk."
It is my understanding that the transfer is a one way street.  You can't save from the hard drive to the memory cards, right?
Jbluez27 05:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct as far as I know. --Kamasutra 14:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

text: IGN reported it only goes one way, i.e. from the Card to the PS3, but not the other way.Pumapayam 18:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memory card adaptor 

message: As of now, the Reception section is very poorly written, and frankly, untrue ("praised for incredible graphics and online service" — I have a PS3 and love it, but mostly, the PlayStation Network has been criticized). I think it should be deleted from the article, at least until it's slightly more comprehensive. Thoughts? —BrOnXbOmBr21 02:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ‘Reception’ section 

message: In Thailand, It's price around 30,000 Baht —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.120.64.154 (talk • contribs).
: I herd sony was going to drop ps3 prices, but i also know they're going to drop it into the grand canyon.--Durs22 02:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The price has already been dropped by certain retailers in Japan as a result of relatively poor early sales, but it doesn't seem likely that we'll see major price drops any time soon - sony don't like to admit defeat (hell, I should know, I have a PSP...). - Davidjk (msg+edits) 02:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Price

message: There is no mention of the critisims of contriversies. Wii should ad a section about that. Before you say that it is already there, i have read the article twice and it is not. User.HHS.student not logged in —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.211.83.82 (talk) 14:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Launch Date in Singapore and Malaysia

message: should we consider putting this in? http://www.gamespot.com/news/6165103.html Dm-schmieder 05:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No.Pumapayam 17:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Care to give a reason as to why not? 142.179.135.251 12:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sony mulls PS3 price drop 

message: does the ps3 have a harddisk led like a pc does when it acesss the harddrive? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Falcon866 (talk • contribs) 23:54, 3 Feb 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  LEDS 

message: http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=159998 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.69.209.9 (talk) 13:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norwegian price announced 

message: I would like to propose this subject be openend for discussion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.181.214.92 (talk) 17:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WIFI Adapter for the PS 3 20 GB version 

message: See here:   http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/rpg/theelderscrollsivoblivion/news.html?sid=6165505&tag=topslot;title;1&om_act=convert&om_clk=topslot
"Oblivion will make extensive use of the PS3's hard drive by caching multiple gigabytes of data, which seemed to help with load times from what we saw. Bethesda's Pete Hines also commented that recent reports of data duplication on the PS3 Oblivion disc have been exaggerated, and this technique isn't different from the similar strategy that was employed in the creation of the Xbox 360 game last year."
Have removed the claims of Blu-ray being slower citing the original misquoted Oblivion interview. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mgillespie (talk • contribs) 18:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Slydevil, these claims DO NOT prove anything in terms of disc read speed, Allow me to explain the disc read speeds, Blu-ray's 1x speed is 36MegaBITS per second which translates into 4.5 MBytes/s, The PS3 uses a 2x Blu-ray reader which has a max read speed of about 9 Mbytes/s, This info coming from the Blu-ray wiki page, DVD's on the other hand have a 1x read speed of 1.35 MBytes/s, and the 360 uses a 12x read drive which has a max read speed of 15.9 MBytes/s, this info coming from the X_Box_360 page,
so let me clarify:
360 - 15.9 MBytes/s
PS3 -  9 Mbytes/s.
Do you need any more info than that?  Dctcool 15:37, 8 February 2007 (AEST)
Yes, on single layer Xbox360 can read at 15.9MBytes/sec (in theory) but on dual layer, the Xbox360 uses 8x read speed, in addition, you fail to take into account CAV and CLV differences, the PS3 can deliver 9MBytes/Sec across the entire disc, the Xbox360 can ONLY achieve 15.9MBytes/Sec on the inner edge of the disc, and only then on a single layer disc.  Until someone can provide CLV/CAV data figures for the 360, re-instating my edits.--195.75.83.25 13:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Fair enough. Unfortunately, "Dctcool" doesn't agree, and has reverted it without discussing it here first, so I've put in a supplementary point to balance the argument for the time being. Personally, as I said before, I don't think this one issue about one component is as important about reception of the system as a whole, and so I would rather see the whole Bethesda bit removed, but until we get consensus we might as well show both sides of the argument. SynergyBlades 13:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: PS3's Blu-ray disc transfer rate Vs.Xbox360 DVD disc transfer rate

message: Under reception it says the playstation 3 was given the number eight spot on PC World magazine’s list of “The Top 21 Tech Screwups of 2006. Shouldn't it be noted that this is Microsoft's opinion and they likely want to spread as much bad publicity as possible since they are competing against the PS3?71.31.7.200 22:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The same magazine also rated it the best of the next generation consoles!!  I have ammended the reception section with the relevent balancing link... --Mgillespie 11:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree. This portion basically says that the PS3 is a complete failure. Since there have been 2,000,000 PS3's sold worldwide,  calling it a failure is flat wrong. Whoever wrote this cited Microsoft to back up their claim that the PS3 is doing poorly. Doing that is like saying President Franklin Roosevelt was an evil man and citing Adolf Hitler. Would someone rewrite this section to make it neutral?J.delanoy 23:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Did you actually read that source? Sony has SHIPPED 2 million, they have sold far less than that. The fact that it's in third place by a wide margin supports PC Magazine. TJ Spyke 10:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Microsoft owns PC World? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 01:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I apologize for starting a problem. It wasn't my intention. I did some Googling and apparently Microsoft does not own PC World. As anyone has the right to try out a product and post their results in any medium, I will remove the neutrality tag. However, the section cites a Microsoft employee as part of its "negatives", so to speak. Because Microsoft owns and markets the Xbox 360, which is in direct competition with the Playstation 3, that statement should definately be removed. Again, I apologize to the members of Wikipedia for causing this "scuffle". J.delanoy 02:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gabe Newell is a former Microsoft employee and fairly respected game developer. I don't honestly know if it should be in there or not, so I won't reinstate it myself, I'm just saying. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: "So there you have it: the PlayStation 3 in a rather large nutshell. It truly is technologically superior to both the Xbox 360 and the Wii (which isn't really a direct competitor). But to succeed, Sony and its third-party partners must tap into their traditional strength of delivering compelling games for the console. The PS3 looks like an expensive box at first, but seems less so when you compare its cost to the cost of a stand-alone Blu-ray player, a high-end PC graphics card, the Xbox 360 with its HD-DVD add-on, or even a Media Center PC."
Quite a difference, isn't there? I believe the changes I made make the section reflect reality.... the jury is still out on the PS3.J.delanoy 15:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: "JAM TART PIE" Should something about this be put up?  Tome711 03:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 Firmware 1.6 

message: This article needs to be fixed BIG TIME!Themasterofwiki 19:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow thanks for point out whats wrong with it. Big help. Cmsjustin 19:17, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree, every time I stop by, all the Xbox fanboys have removed anything positive about the console, and left all the bad stuff...
Of course if I was petty, I would mention the red rings of death or the Zephyr stitch up in the 360 article, but that does not help anyone.
--Mgillespie 23:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah... you wanna refrain from vandalizing articles? k? Thanks. Bladestorm 17:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: *sigh*. No. It isn't. 360's are unreliable, overhyped machines. But they don't explode. Bladestorm 04:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FIX NOW! 

message: At the bottom of the article, under the Reception header, someone has wrote "the ps3 sucks and is overpriced and sega should release a new stystem."
It seems pretty simple that this isn't an encylopedic statement. Hell, I'm not sure if it's even a sentence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.81.121.67 (talk) 21:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sega should make new console" 

message: This is how retarded Wikipedia is. The 60Gb price of the PS3 in Eurozone is 599. And in Ireland it's 630. In dollars the Eurozone is converted to a price of $660. And in Ireland, $644. :S The price of the PS3 in Euros in Ireland is more than that of the Eurozone. Yet, in dollars it's the other way around. Surely, the more expensive console in Euros would convert into a more expensive console in Dollars of the two.
Fucking A* Wikipedia. You win at internets. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.137.92.140 (talk • contribs) 13:23, 14 February 2007  (UTC)
: This is most likely a result of someone changing one figure and not the others, not a shortcoming of Wikipedia. Because exchange rates change hourly, it is very possible that someone changed one figure and neglected to change the others due to the large amount of time that would require. If it bothers you that much, instead of gripeing and swearing, you could fix it. Or, if it really ticks you off, learn Javascript and insert a control that automatically updates it. Also, sign your posts......J.delanoy 13:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, is that possible on wikipedia? Is there any way to embed scripts? Bladestorm 20:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure. I apologize for being snippy in the above post. As to embedding code, Wikipedia is very specific with what code it will support. I have personally never tried using a scripting code, so I have no idea what parts, if any, will work.J.delanoy 16:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, if you look a bit farther down the talk page, at Talk:PlayStation_3#Currency_Conversions, you'll see that you really did make a very good suggestion. It required the use of templates instead of javascript, but still, I think we have a solution now. Bladestorm 19:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: PS3 prices

message: in the manual it says 380 watts but on wikipedia it says 200 watts what should it be ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Falcon866 (talk • contribs) 19:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not an expert, and I'm sure somebody will eventually help you more definitively, but it's my understanding that the PS3 provides a 380 watt power supply. However, that doesn't mean it's always actually drawing 380 watts, but rather than it can do so. (For comparison, many computer power supplies can provide 250+ watts of power, but typically won't unless the system is literally loaded to near the breaking point) Bladestorm 19:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  power consumation 

message: In Canada the price of the PS3 has actually increased. The price of the PS3 is now 700$ Canadian. I guess people can forget about a price drop any time soon. Also, in Canada and the US at least, the 20gb version of the PS3 is no longer available. It is unknown if it was discontinued or if it is just temporarily unavailable, but no new 20gb versions are shipping to stores in Canada and the US right now. Cregan89 22:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 price increase in Canada, and North American 20gb version discontinued? 

message: Okay, so there was a problem where someone updated the USD conversion from one entry for the price in euros, but not another, so it made things look both more and less expensive simultaneously, right?
And, in general, when conversions are updated, especially ones with as many entries as Euros, it's easy to make a mistake and miss something, right?
So...
I couldn't find any way to directly embed javascript in wikipedia, so I went for the next best thing. I created a template which, when given a value (in foreign currency), and a currency code, it returns the equivalent price in USD (rounded to the nearest dollar to be more legible in tables).
eg.  100 CAD will convert $100cdn (canadian dollars) into USD.
Ain't that spiffy? :)
And, this way, when you want to update the currency conversions, you can just edit a simple template, found here. All you need to do is find the entry you wish to update, and express the value of a single unit of that currency in american dollars. (eg. one canadian dollar currently costs about 86 cents american, so I added "CAD=0.858010" to the list.)
It'd be pretty easy to modify the table to use the new template. In fact, I did so in a copy of it here.
(Notice that, in that version, a system in Ireland is more expensive in Euros and american dollars!) Bladestorm 23:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I didn't see any objections, so I'm going to go ahead with that change now! Bladestorm 19:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: You go girl Cmsjustin 21:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currency Conversions 

message: i know linux has acess to the cpus 256MB ram but does it have acess to the RSXS 256mb ram?
:I would look at the article on Linux. J.delanoy 16:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No it does not. The PS3 graphics chip is able to access its own 256 megs of memory as well as the 256 megs of system memory. The Cell processor is only able to access the 256 megs of system memory. Also note that linux does not have access to the GPU for 3d rendering either. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cmsjustin (talk • contribs) 21:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linux 

message: Please change article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.245.110.2 (talk) 14:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I own a PS3, and I have a full HD plasma TV. The Playstation 3 does output 1080i as well as 1080p, 720p, 480p, and 480i. J.delanoy 16:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The PS3 doesn't output in 1080i 

message: I have noticed that someone keeps adding negative reviews to the "Reception" section. I wondered if the implied message (Most reviews about the PS3 are bad) was true. So I searched "playstation 3 reviews" in Google. The first three pages yielded 9 websites that numerical rating. The average rating of those nine websites is 8.6666... (26 over 3) out of a possible 10. I believe this means that, overall, the PS3 is doing rather well. (The Xbox 360 gave a 8.625 (69 over 8) when subjected to the same test.) Despite all this, it is becoming increasingly obvious that this section is becoming an edit war. This section really has no purpose because no one knows for certain how the PS3 will be received as it has only been around for four months. I believe that this section should be removed. Any thoughts? Some input from an administator would be appreciated....J.delanoy 02:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Answers...
# I am not saying the sources are not valid, I am saying that someone is trying to dig up dirt on the PS3 by adding any negative remarks they find about it. This makes it seem as if all the reviews are bad. However, if someone actually reads the reviews, most have a "pro" section that is almost the exact same length, or longer, than the "con" section.
# When I did my search, I assumed that the most accurate sites would also be the most popular, which would make them rank very high in the search I conducted, due to the nature of Google's ranking system. 
#I agree that this should not become an edit war, which is why I proposed above that this section be postponed until the concrete results can be obtained, namely end-of-2007 sales results for the PS3, Xbox 360, and the Wii.
Also, to the first two question-askers... SIGN YOUR POSTS!!!!!
(Sorry, pet peeve....)
J.delanoy 23:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I was not saying that google is trying to evaluate the content of a website. I was saying that most people do not like to be deceived, so if a website consistantly gave false information, no one in their right mind would visit the site. J.delanoy 02:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I also vote to remove it. There is no way to accurately judge the reception of something that has been out as little time as the PS3 has.J.delanoy 02:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: on second thought, I am not positive that this section should be removed, but what does everyone else think?J.delanoy 21:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reception (Again)

message: What I am asking is this: What is the point of this section? The PS3 has been out 4 months. The Xbox 360 has been out more than a year. So why does the PS3 article have a "reception" section and the Xbox 360 doesn't? This section is pure speculation, based on the changing whims of reviewers. This section should be deleted.What the hell i think i will just sit back and munch the last of this gorgeouse apple pie..J.delanoy 15:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: '''What is the point of this section?'''

message: A few days ago, i saw a comment saying that if it would be possible to add WI-FI network capabilities to the 20 GB version of th PS3 by connecting a USB WI-FI adapter, and nobody answered that question.
So i got interested on this cuz my cousin wants to sell me his 20gb PS3.
Anyways my question is (also the question of the user 208.181.214.92 (whatever ur name is fella, u owe me one LOL)) is it possible to add WI-FI connectivity to the 20GB PS3 version with a USB WI-FI adapter?
:Unless the PS3 has drivers for the device in question the answer is no/not yet --Bushido Brown 07:13, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definatly not —cmsJustin (talk|contribs) 23:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 20 GB with WI-FI 

message: When was, or rather I should ask Why was the list of games removed from the article?--Bushido Brown 07:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because it's POV. For example, I have no interest in White Knight and it doesn't look that good to me. TJ Spyke 02:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The reason why the list was removed is because it is open-ended. Imagine an article listing every PlayStation 2 title released. L--O--N--G doesn't even begin to describe it. J.delanoy 16:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Game Section

message: Looks like Sony really hate Europe, PS/PS2 software will be done entirely via software emulation now, not hardware emulation that is done with the US/Japan models. Only 'a limited range' of PS2 games will be playable. Viamp 13:44, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: over 1000 PS2 titles playable at launch on EU PS3's  http://www.mcvuk.com/1000-PS2-titles-to-work-on-PAL-PS3 --Mgillespie 11:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that this will also mean the next revision in NA/JP have software emulations instead. As much as I would like to put that opinion on NA/JP into the article, I can't since it's pure speculation. George Leung 15:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: its not vat, its just companies know that people will pay and since the europe has less population then the usa these companies charge more to make money.  Also see about the back compatible see bbc http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6390657.stm SGAtlantis 23:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backwards compatibility in Europe 

message: Is it true that Sony will launch an IPTV service for the PS3 in the next months?
Thats what I heard... Along with live recording Tome711 03:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: PS3´s IPTV

message: Just reverted major vandalism - whole page deleted replaced by point of view sloga. Maybe the page should be protected.
Guest9999
:Who did the vandalism? You should post a warning on his/her user page Then have a feast on some meat pie!J.delanoy 15:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalsim 

message: Does the PS2 Buzz games and controlers work on the PS3 machine? I don't konw anyone owning the PS3 and I can't find any info ... has anyone got it working?
*The Buzz games only came out in Europe. Even though PS3 games are region free, PS2 games only work in PS3's from the same region (i.e. PAL PS2 games will not work on a North American or Japanese PS3's). So I think you will have to wait for the PS3 to launch in Europe to find out. TJ Spyke 08:06, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Buzz also came out in Australia JayKeaton 06:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  USB - Buzz 

message: source —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.79.19.109 (talk) 16:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly are you trying to say?J.delanoy 16:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are 1000 compatible PS2 title at EU launch. Remember that they use new SKU for EU, which will produce lower backward compatibility.--w_tanoto 20:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  European PS3 1000+ PS2 titles compatible 

message: In the Unofficial websites section someone put a link to a PS3 forum named PS3chat an internet forum with little more than 3,000 members, should the link be removed completely or if a link to a PS3 forum is needed, why not better PS3forums  that has over 30,000 members? 196.3.88.166 15:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unofficial Websites

message: * PS Network is now a MMOG
* PlayStation Edge (XNA equivalent)
:: quoting Gamespot  Imagine a three-dimensional avatar-based socializing sim like Second Life. Now cross it with the online gaming and matchmaking features of Xbox Live. Leaven with dynamic streaming in-game advertising a la Massive, throw in some Pogo.com-esque casual gaming, and add a dash of Sneak King-like merchandising. Heat, stir, let cool, serve, and--voila--you've got Home, the new online service for the PlayStation 3. --Ciao 90 22:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lot of things announced today.. 

message: Is the wrong protection tag on? I can still edit and I am not an administrator...J.delanoy 02:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you are right. Changed. -- ReyBrujo 03:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Protection tag? 

message: Although the Main Page says the PS3 is 240 capable is yet to br 100% confirmed that ALL the units are. It could be disleading by a picture of the internal cover of the PSU that says 120-240, because a lot of companies simple won't do a part specially for a region, that way all the units could carry the same writing and correct power will be indicated in the sticker outside the machine.
As far as today haven't seen a proof of 240v capable other than a picture, so people in countries that uses 220 and HAVENT any Sony OFFICIAL launch, and uses an imported unit can be free of risk using a voltage transformer, avoinding the risk until further and reliable information is released. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fatez (talk • contribs) 19:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power Supply 

message: as the subject says
too much glare in it
makes the pic look crap 
--70.48.38.151 07:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am working on getting a good picture of a PS3. I will upload it ASAP, but the picture that is there now isn't that bad: it does the job of showing people what the PS3 looks like. Your swearing was entirely unnecessary.J.delanoy 15:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  change the bloody main picture it looks bad 

message: Just get rid of this crap, bias shouldn't be presented to what is supposed to be a neutral article. --70.48.38.151 07:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A neutral analysis of reception, a sourced criticism and a referenced praise section are not biased, as far as I know. -- ReyBrujo 01:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I could be wrong, but the general consensus I saw above was that the Reception was good how it was then. If you don't feel it is good, then say so civilly and present some reasons other than you just don't like it.J.delanoy 15:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The reception section is hardly neutral.  I have (again) added a link to some praise for the PS3, yet I can guarentee it will be reverted, yet any criticisms remain intact.  It seems the article police themselves are biased.... --Mgillespie 23:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, respectfully, who is "Paul Thurrot from WinSuperSite"? First time I ever heard of them, and so Wikipedia apparently. I have no problem with criticism and praise, but people usually include non reliable sources and non notable people. -- ReyBrujo 23:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard of him for sure, namely because his site used to be a big pro-Microsoft wank fest. That said, I don't think he's exactly notable enough. We can't just cite any old blog or personal site. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 17:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just for the record, when I changed the the sentence in question, I did it because it was written terribly, not because I agree or disagree with the statement.J.delanoy 23:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove reception/criticism 

message: "The PS3 controller is a complete rip off of the Wii controller.
The PS3 just SUCKS!!" 
I would revert to the previous version but I'm not exactly sure how and I don't have time atm to figure out as i have alot of pie to pass out! Could someone check it out?
Connor oc 22:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to have been reverted. When you have time, you should look at Help:Reverting. Dancter 22:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism to critisism section 

message: I just wanted to post this for review, see what other people thought about the information contained in the article.
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/14/rumor-debunk-no-more-u-s-20gb-ps3-and-euro-backward-compatibil/
ReZerO 11:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perhaps an edit is in order? 

message: The songs name is "How to Kill a Brand" and I'll try to find who the maker of the song is. 
--Rabin 14:43, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ehhh, no. It's just fanboy stuff. It's not as though some notable band sang it. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 17:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song that might be notalbe in the Criticism Section 

message: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/772/772947p1.html
We are gonna add this in. If I'm not back in 3 weeks I'll BE FORCED TO ADD IT IN MYSELF I ALSO HEARD THE CONSOLE CAN SIZZLE YOUR BRAIN! 71.117.224.10 22:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering when you'd show yourself again, Zabrak. It's already briefly mentioned in the article. Any further mention probably is more appropriate for a sub-article, perhaps PlayStation Network. I would advise you to be civil and cooperative. There's no need to be so severe or sensational. Ultimatums, overstated claims, and antagonistic behavior will only irritate users. Dancter 22:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The Personal computer article does not talk about "curing cancer", as far as I know. -- ReyBrujo 11:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 to cure cancer 

message: This article should indicate if these PS2 USB peripherals work on the PS3. --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 03:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know for a fact that SingStar mics do work with the PS3; I played the game at a friend’s house, and he was using his PS3. If anything, though, that information should probably go in the articles of the respective games. —BrOnXbOmBr21 08:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[GunCon 2]] and Karaoke Revolution and SingStar microphones 

message: I think something about the upcoming major update to the PS3 firmware, revision 1.6, should be added to the article. (See here: IGN: Sony Shares Details on 1.6 Update) The IGN PS3 article mentions background downloading (previously confirmed by Phil Harrison), among other important features, as well as the release date: Thursday, March 22. —BrOnXbOmBr21 04:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confirmed features of firmware v1.6 

message: Could somebody please update the launch price table. The South African Launch price (kalahari.net reference) for the PS3 is R6299.95 VAT incl. (approximately $843). --196.212.20.26 05:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  South African PS3 Price 

message: Not sure where this fits into the wiki, I think it should.  My brand new ps3 freezes up on all the blu-ray movies I own.  Tonight I noticed a fair amount of buzz on Sony's own forums about the video freezing Sony Forums.  Youtube even has several videos of the PS3 freezing from customers and at the electronics stores.  This is definately a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen if they could just sell enough to upset more consumers.  I plan on returning my PS3 tomorrow after a week of owning, but i guess i'm stuck with the cost of games and blu-ray movies (for the short duration), but I'm not going to be stuck with the cost of ps3.  Now how do I delete all my personal information on the PS3 before I return it.  --Skunark 06:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For one thing, I strongly advise against simply returning your PS3 to the store. Thankfully, I haven’t had any such problems, but then again, I’ve only played one Blu-ray disc on my PS3 (Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby, which came with my system). I finally got around to buying an HDTV, so that will change in the near future (until now, I’d been playing my PS3 on an eight-and-a-half-year-old 13" CRT, so I figured it was time for an upgrade). Anyway, you should call Sony’s tech support line at 1-800-345-SONY (7669), and tell them of the problem. Since the PS3 has a one-year warranty, they’ll send you a box in which you can return the system to them. Then, they’ll send you a new or refurbished (but working) PS3 within a week or two (I know this because my friend’s PS3 died and he had to go through this). If you want to delete all the data off of your hard drive, there’s a Format Utility in the System Settings (found under the ‘Settings’ tab of the XMB) that can be used to format your hard drive. I’ve never used it, so I can’t give you any details, but I assume there’s something in the User Guide about it. Best of luck! —BrOnXbOmBr21 08:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had firmware 1.54, but I did upgared to 1.6 since it became available, so far so good.  --Skunark 03:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blu-ray movies freeze during playback