Talk:List of United States Navy enlisted rates

message: Firstly the graphic for the MCPON rating badge needs to be changed. There should be a star in place of his rating (in this case a BM's rating) which is clearly depcited in MCPON Terry Scott's official photo. 
Secondly when talking about 'being rated as a BM2 but not meeting requirements for promotion' just say that the candidate was Passed Not Advanced on his exam. Obviously if they PNA their exam they will remain a third class having been found 'qualified' by examination but not meeting the requirements for advancement due to available billets. 
Thirdly, a third class with gold chevrons is not possible in the current navy. The regulations clearly state that the service member must make second class or be forced out of the navy long before he would reach the 12 year good conduct mark. Even if the sailor in question had 'been a second and in for 14 years but got busted down' this would make him inelligible for gold chevrons. 
Fourth, wearing a rating above seaman, airman, constructionman or dental/hospitalman stripes is authorized provided the candidate passed A-school. An undesignated striker wears the appropriate badge above his stripes, while a designated striker (succesful A-school graduate or PNA on an advancement exam) wears that particular ratings badge. 
Best.
: Yes, the time in service regs preclude gold stripes for E4's in general circumstances. (There are some odd situations which could result in 12 year E4's, like air-force transferees, who lost a stripe in switching service; I've met several 12 year good conduct E5's in the USAF.)
: Likewise, the MCPON will NEVER be in red stripes... and I've never seen nor heard of MCPOs without their gold stripes, but in theory, it could happen. 
: Wfh 07:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ugh... 

message: : Rating marks are not worn on collar insignia nor any working uniform.
Bold text deleted, since working uniforms have and will continue to bear rating marks on sleeve insignia.
Here's the cite
:     Replacing the bell-bottomed dungaree pants, for E-6 and below, will be a 65 percent polyester and 35 percent cotton-blend uniform consisting of dark blue straight-leg trousers and a chambray shirt. Names, warfare insignia and rating badges will be embroidered tapes sewn to the shirt and trousers. The new uniform will be tailored like the current chief petty officers’ khaki uniform, with straight-leg trousers. The new-style utility uniform transition period will begin Jan. 1, 1999. 
Wfh 06:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Error corrected 

message: ;Redlinks: I find one — Chief of Naval Personnel.  The position seems worthy of an article; if no one agrees, then it should be de-linked.  Here are some online links for starting points:
* Focus on Chief of Naval Personnel, Navy Newsstand, USN.
* Naval Personnel Command
* Vice Admiral John C. Harvey Jr. Bio
— ERcheck (talk) 04:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't even catch that all the in page references were under the notes heading so I moved them to references and removed the external links since all of them but the first were included in the inpage references.
The Chief of Naval Personnel is worthy of its own article and I'll work on creating it.— WilsBadKarma (Talk) 04:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went through RM 'A' school in early '82.  We were considered designated strikers and were told to put sparks over our group rate marks the day we started 'A' school.  24.61.4.237 (talk) 23:51, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review comments 

message: This is a page of Navy ranks NOT rates!!! Rates are the job. No where on this damn page is a single rate!!! PLEASE CHANGE THE TITLE OF THIS FREAKIKNG PAGE!!!!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.116.255.100 (talk) 16:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  .4.237 The entire time I spent (4 active and about 1.5 active reserves) in the USN, NEVER was "rate" used to describe the "rank", and IPAddress, actually, it was just combined, but the rate and rank were still separate items used together in some cases. Someone could be addressed as AT3, Petty Officer, PO3, etc. but the AT in this example was their rate, not their rank, their rank was still related to the 3 in the Third Class.  32.212.102.239 (talk) 17:46, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  RATES AND RANKS ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!!! 

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message: As noted previously, this page is mistitled.  The title should be ranks, not rates, as rates are the specific jobs within the Navy.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_officer_rank_insignia has the proper designation of Ranks, although it does show some "rate" insignia further down the page, it is still titled properly.  The proper title for this page is "List of United States Navy enlisted ranks".  It is fine having a separate page for the rates that have been in the Navy over the years, but actually have the rates on the page titled for rates.  32.212.102.239 (talk) 17:51, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested retitle or move to reflect accurately what this page is for, the rank within the Navy, not the job (rate) 

message: Within the USN, there is a term for who is usually the most senior (time in service, not the rank) Chief on an afloat command, usually called the COB, or Chief Of the Boat.  On some commands, this is actually a position held by a Master Chief, but on some smaller commands, there may not be enough personnel holding that rank that get assigned, so the current COB on a command might be a Senior Chief (note, these are RANKS, not RATES, please correct the title by retitleing or moving).  One of the people I work with currently is former Navy, and he said that while there were, I think, 4 people who held the rank of Master Chief at a command he was at, a Senior Chief was assigned to the boat as the COB for that command.  Saying that the Command Master Chief is always a Master Chief rank is not accurate, because it is not always the case.  Sometimes, there are situations that are outside of the usual, but they do happen more often than some people think.
To use a couple of examples from my personal experience during my time in, on one command, our training Petty Officer was reassigned to another command, and we basically had 2 E-3s take over to hold that position until we got a replacement to take over.  Now, that is not a specific function within the Navy, but it shows an example of the cases possible.  When I joined the active reserves in a SeaBee unit, our Division Officer was actually a Chief of E-7 rank.  I do not know the specific circumstances that lead up to that before I got there, but it was that way for quite a while.  Eventually, we had an Ensign assigned to the unit who then took over as DivO.  32.212.102.239 (talk) 18:02, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the COB? 

message: I see that a user that have know has created rank insignias for the above titled, but I have never seen in my time working for the Navy's Bureau of Naval Personnel an instance or rank structure with red chevron Command Master Chiefs, Force Master Chiefs, Fleet Master Chiefs, or the Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy. Normally these officers in senior enlisted positions who face legal or ethical scrutiny are forced to retire rather than retained by the Navy. By some miracle that a Command Master Chief or Force/Fleet Master Chief who is retained by the Navy, would be removed from their senior position as Command/Force/Fleet Master Chief and are "reverted" back to their original specialty rating Master Chief rank, or they would receive a demotion below the E-9 rank. As such, there has never been an instance that I've seen or have heard of the practice of the red chevron in these ranks. It is my belief that these were created in good faith the user, but they lack definitive accuracy of their existence or practice in the real world use of the Navy. I think they should be removed from the List of United States Navy enlisted rates unless someone can direct me to proof of such existence of their use. Neovu79 (talk) 07:54, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Sub 12-year Command/Force/Fleet and MCPON rank insignia

message: "as rate. The same term also refers to one's area of occupational specialization within the enlisted Navy". 89.8.150.53 (talk) 19:23, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious?