Talk:Barbecue sauce

message: I feel this article is slightly POV. While it is true that most commercial 'BBQ' sauces sold as condiment in the store are tomato-based, when it comes to the actual cooking meat part of BBQ tastes vary widely. I added a comment about vinegar and mustard based sauces which are often used in the American South. I think the part about sugar being important could be edited as this is not NPOV. Perhaps we could divide it up by different countries and regions as to what type of sauce is prefered? I could do some research on the South but I don't know what is used in other countries besides the USA. Kfort 3 July 2005 21:58 (UTC)
I thought some more about this article. The thing is that the Barbecue main article has terrific information on regional variations of sauces. I think there are two things meant by 'barbecue sauce'. One is a sauce used while cooking meat to impart certain flavors and characteristics onto the meat. The other is a condiment that is used like ketchup with a slightly tangier taste. I think this article should cover the latter, and link to the main Barbecue article for information about the former. Let me know what you think. If noone has any objections I may rewrite this article to reflect these differences. Kfort 3 July 2005 23:42 (UTC)
I disagree with the schema proposed above.  Although the sauces are used while cooking and after, they are essentially the same recipes.  So your proposed revision would get rid of valuable regional information.  I updated the article to reflect regional differences, and took out all the sugar references which are too obscure an issue for an article of several paragraphs. jkandell, oct 2005.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.240.72.180 (talk) 19:36, 29 October 2005‎ (UTC)
Where is the citation that most U.S. sources evolved (or "trace their roots") from the NC styles?  I have never heard that before.  I have heard that an Eastern N.C. vinegar mop-sauce *might* be the oldest style in the U.S., but I have never heard that other sauces evolved from the two major NC styles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.101.1.120 (talk) 16:28, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: POV?

message: I added an example recipe that I made myself and loved. How can you have an article about BBQ sauce without an example recipe? The recipe is my own, and is not copyrighted. I made a web page designed only for use here (http://www.freewebs.com/barbequesauce)
:This is WP:SPAM, violates WP:EL or WP:NOT. Probably all three; i removed it. JoeSmack Talk(p-review!) 18:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ask WT:EL or WT:NOT if you feel that way. People can google for recipes if they want em. The 'one-link-won't-hurt' approach doesn't work after 20 recipes get tacked to this article. Or, as an example, look at Chicken#External_links - it's not covered in various chicken recipes. If you want though there is a Wikimedia Cookbook section of wikibooks. JoeSmack Talk 23:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recipe 

message: Is there a way to describe barbecue sauces from the Memphis, Tennessee area?--BigMac1212 00:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Memphis Sauces

message: I think a distinction needs to be made between "sauce you mix up to put on food you intend to barbeque" and "sauce flavored like barbequed food, to be applied to non-barbequed food (e.g. burgers, macaroni and cheese, fried chicken), which would be terrible to put ON food-to-be-barbequed." People deride the latter as doing a bad job of being the former, when it isn't intended to be any more than ketchup is trying to be spaghetti sauce.
It might be that marinade and bbq sauce are the differences you are going for, but in different regions both are put directly on grilled foods. And then there are artificially bbq flavored chips too. Whitebox 05:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distinction 

message: It seems this is still Us centric, especially towards the South. Who said it wasn't any more? --72.137.47.204 09:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Us Centric 

message: The article as it stands states that BBQ sauce is traditionally served on Prairie Dogs. Is that actually true? It seems like vandalism to me, since the source cited doesn't mention the seasoning of rodents...... 99.246.79.105 (talk) 22:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prairie dog? 

message: "Hunt's  barbecue sauce. A nationally distributed Kansas City-style sauce brand." 
Nationally? That sounds very American centric to me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.222.251.131 (talk) 16:33, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  US themed 

message: It is not my policy to insert credits or links to my website, but I see clearly that authors have read it and come very close to plagiarism. It would be nice if someone here would give credit where credit is due to this article, which was first published in 2006 http://amazingribs.com/recipes/BBQ_sauces/index.html
Examples: My article (first published in 2006) "they often resemble a thin tomato soup" Wikipedia "They are medium thick and often resemble a thin tomato soup." This analogy was original with me and I am not aware of any previous use of it. My article "Lexington Dip (a.k.a. Western Carolina or Piedmont Dip). In Lexington, NC, and in the "Piedmont" hilly areas of the western Carolinas, they prefer to make their barbecue from the pig's shoulder, a rich flavorful clod of meat." Wikipedia "Lexington Dip (a.k.a. Western Carolina Dip or Piedmont Dip) – In Lexington and in the "Piedmont" hilly areas of western North Carolina, the sauce is often called a dip."
I think a link to my article in the References section would be appropriate, especially since I offer authentic recipes for all the styles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quedude (talk • contribs) 13:29, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper Credit Needed 

message: This image looks like we are running a commercial. It is unnecessary and there is no reason to promote a brand here. We should remove per guidelines and WP:NPOV.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 22:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been removed at least twice, most recently by me, but restored both times. –CWenger (^ • @) 22:39, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Per BRD, the image should remain off the page while it is being discussed. Two users here plus the IPs have removed it which is telling. It isn't adding anything to the article.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 23:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Are you suggesting that the edits of IPs don't count? I don't agree that the article has less credibility without the image. That said, can you make a compelling argument for its inclusion?⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 00:43, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

text: You're not allowed to just ignore IPs. Even without them, it is 2–1 against the image. Start an RfC if you feel that strongly about it. –CWenger (^ • @) 04:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Delete image. You ignored this discussion and re-added it to the article. That is you ignoring consensus. The image comes across as a commercial and isn't necessary for the article. Barbecue sauce need not be commercial and there are plenty of homemade sauces which we can get an image for.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 14:15, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Gune is violating the spirit of BRD and ignoring consensus here and re-adding the image. I see that the branding has been obscured now by pixellation but the question remains as to whether having one (still recognizable) brand serves as advertisement. It is not necessary for the image to be added to the article as it doesn't add anything for the reader. So far, I only see one editor that wants it added in.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 15:54, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

text: No, I didn't ignore the talk page...you just failed to make a compelling argument for its inclusion. The only editor who has supported your position so far is you. More editors have indicated that it should be omitted rather than retained and we should follow that consensus.⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 01:27, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes you actually did ignore it. You again reverted after I left the talk page comment. I gave you the reasons why it should remain and instead you chose to ignore it. Gune (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You should have never attempted to replace it as you do not have consensus here and it violates BRD. Your view that I ignored it is incorrect...rather, you didn't make a convincing argument. You will have to convince editors that the image is necessary and improves the article. ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 22:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  remove commercial image 

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thread_title: File:Hunts-Barbecue-Sauce.jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: I see no problem with the image, other than the bizarre pixelating. I would really love to know what the above detractors would like to think the alternative "non-commercial" image would like like - a big brown stain on a tablecloth, perhaps? Genius. Thanks to whomever contributed the image, it actually adds a lot to the article.68.144.172.8 (talk) 05:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why on earth is it partially pixelated? To not offend vegans? To protect the copyright of the photo used on the packaging? This is by far the strangest thing I've ever seen on Wikipedia. Unigolyn (talk) 15:21, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, when I saw this image I immeiately searched google images for a bottle of this stuff to see what's so offensive it has to be pixelated, and it looks like it's just a bit of meat being cooked on a barbeque!  What on earth posessed someone to do that?  JieBie (talk) 15:35, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

text: There was no need to have a photo of a bottle...it doesn't add in any way to the article. Once you open that can of worms then other editors may try to shoehorn their favorite brand into the article. There are also commercial implications. As for the pixellation, , who is an admin at Commons, did that but I can't remember if I ever knew why. — Berean Hunter (talk) 16:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Pixellation is in response to :commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Hunts-Barbecue-Sauce.jpg and :commons:Commons:Undeletion_requests/Archive/2011-11. --Martin H. (talk) 10:20, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

text:  Pixellation made me think that there was a photo of a penis in the label. I know that that kind of stuff is not censored in WP, but it seems one of those "unncessary censorship" jokes. It is quite weird.79.148.41.24 (talk) 10:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Hunt's BBQ Sauce Image

message: Is it just me or does the last couple of lines in the Australia section sound like an advertisement? --49.196.6.157 (talk) 06:43, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia section