Talk:Ocean fertilization

message: Support Make Iron fertilization the main page and Ocean Nourishment a redirect. 
::Google hits
::*"Iron fertilization" = 56,800 
::*"Ocean Nourishment" = 876     .   Lumos3 20:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should be moved to Ocean fertilization. Also it should discuss phosphorous as a limiting factor, not just nitrogen and iron for example. "Lowest plant biomass is found where sunlight is abundantly available. Such regions are referred to as oligotrophic. The oligotrophic subtropical gyres are low-nutrient low-chlorophyll (LNLC) regions and may respond to additions of Fe and P. (N would come from stimulation of nitrogen fixing blue-green algae or added along with Fe and P). "  Tympanum (talk) 23:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According this this paper "ocean nourishment" is actually the name of a specific technique for fertilization with ammonia. Tympanum (talk) 00:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, both ocean nourishment and iron hypothesis should be merged to iron fertilization. Vsmith (talk) 00:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No the whole thing belongs at Ocean fertilization, despite some people's single-minded refusal to accept that any other form of ocean fertilization might be worthy of discussion. Tympanum (talk) 08:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Clarify a bit. I don't have strong feelings regarding the article name - just that Iron fertilization was the name most familiar to me. I'd suggest merging content of the other articles there and then consider renaming/moving per Tympanum's comments above. Merge to existing article rather than a merge to a redirect -- then discuss further after the merge. Vsmith (talk) 20:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Still seems like an evil plot to deny discussion of other methods. If you have to merge first please get on with it. Tympanum (talk) 23:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

text: No, Iron Fertilization involves the application of iron to stimulate productivity.  Ocean Nourishment specifically refers to the application of macronutrients like nitrates and phosphates.  Ocean Fertilization is a catchall term which refers to both.  There is no evil plot.  Both techniques are worthy of consideration and have their own, separate merits.  They deserve separate treatment, but clearly have much in common. User:dano5050  —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal

message: This tag has been up too long and needs to come down.  There is no consensus for a merge.  I remvd it once and got reverted.  Pls will anyone opposing say why below. Andrewjlockley (talk) 19:32, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rmv tag

message: This section of the article mentions that urea is produced chiefly by burning of fossil fuels which makes it not very viable in use as a method of drawing carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere. Urea is also found in urine at roughly 2.5% concentrations by weight. Should we be adding mention that urea could be extracted from human waste (which is abundant) for use in ocean nourishment, or would this process be technically infeasible?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.185.84 (talk) 03:34, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This sort of speculation could only be included in this article if there are appropriate source which state it has been considered. Adding anything along these lines without references would effectively count as original research.--NHSavage (talk) 16:58, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urea fertilization may not benefit fisheries 

message: While looking for something else I came across this reference:
 which wasn't what I was after, but could be useful so I am dumping it here.--NHSavage (talk) 18:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful references 

message: I hope that my recent edits on this article have improved it. There are some excellent sources in this article already, but they are not fully exploited, and often seem to be used as references for statements that they have no relation to. I hope that by adding URLs for many of the references, I have made them more accessible and this will encourage people to add further referenced information to this article. I am not going to do much more now on this article for a while so it would be great if someone else picked it up now.--NHSavage (talk) 20:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on article 

message: As I have done some scientific work in this area in the past I saw a couple of references that were missing that could assist readers with assessing potential impacts/benefits of ocean fertilisation on fisheries productivity.  The refs included:
Parsons TR, Whitney FA (2012). Did volcanic ash from Mt. Kasatoshi in 2008 contribute to a phenomenal increase in Fraser River sockeye salmon (Oncorhynchus nerka) in 2010? Fisheries Oceanography 21(5), 374-377.
and 
Olgun, N et al. (2013). Geochemical evidence of oceanic iron fertilization by the Kasatochi volcanic eruption in 2008 and the potential impacts on Pacific sockeye salmon. Marine Ecology Progress Series 488: 81–88.
I have included them in the relevant sections.
Professor Pelagic (talk) 01:36, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added some more references 

message: The EisenEx section is incomplete and unreferenced.  Where did it happen and when?  "Comparable amounts" is never explained - comparable to what?  Seems like an unfinished edit or bad cut & paste happened here. Nerfer (talk) 20:52, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  EisenEx? 

message: Mergeto |Iron fertilization| Talk:Ocean nourishment#Merge proposal |date=July 2008 
:Closing; no case made and no support. Klbrain (talk) 18:53, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge to Iron fertilisation

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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: I think the corresponding section of the latest IPCC report is worth quoting in full here:
Let's make sure we give due weight to all those sources.
--Nemo 12:29, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPCC report 

message: Someone pointed out that worms in the bottom of the ocean have been found to be extremely efficient releasers of greenhouse gas. For instance https://today.oregonstate.edu/archives/2013/aug/study-finds-novel-worm-community-affecting-methane-release-ocean Nemo 09:42, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release on the bottom of the ocean 

message: That whole section under "history" seems wrong to me. Overly detailed. Not encyclopedic. Maybe better off in a sub-article. It needs reworking. Someone already commented on this previously (see further up on this talk page, under EisenEx). EMsmile (talk) 09:52, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the title now to "development" but it's still not great. EMsmile (talk) 10:29, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: That whole section under "history" seems wrong to me

message: Here are some comments for improvement (I don't have time to implement them myself at present):
* The content that is currently under History seems ill fitting, perhaps overly detailed (now called "development"). 
* The article needs to show how this topic is different from eutrophication. 
* Article needs more illustrations that are directly relevant. 
* Lead needs to be longer. 
* Ocean fertilization peaked has no major future in its role to sequester carbon (this needs to come out more clearly in the lead and also in the article itself). EMsmile (talk) 10:31, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some comments for improvement