Talk:SUSE Linux Enterprise

message: I have created the article entitled SUSE Linux Distibutions in order to provide an up to date resource for SUSE linux. I am a firm advocator for SUSE and hope that the general wikipedian public agrees on this article becoming the proper article for SUSE Linux. As of now I am on SUSE IRC channels trying to get professionals to clean up this article. To vote on whether this should be main page leave a yes or no comment under this comment --H a m m o 09:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: I find it a little strange that you have moved this article with the comment that "all arguments in that RM are wrong", when as you point out it was yourself who was making the points. Presumably you've changed your mind? It looks like the purpose of the original RM was to merge this article with SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, something which never took place.  as the other participant in the RM, do you object to the title being moved back to "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server"? If so then it should go through a formal RM, but if you don't mind the switch back then I have no objection to letting this one ride.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't agree with Editor-1's "grammatical" argument ("SUSE Linux enterprise" with a lower-case e would convey what that user believes is being conveyed; the capital E obviously indicates that "Enterprise" is part of a proper-name string, and is not a description of "SUSE Linux"). But I don't object to the page going back to "SUSE Linux Enterprise Server" if we are certain that the two articles should not be merged after all. I think I would prefer that they be merged, but it's probably better to raise this with various wikiprojects and such, and see what the input of a larger group is.  I'll repeat that we are typically keeping variants of each "flavor" of Linux as sections at large articles, not as a whole bunch of little split-off articles.  We should be consistent in the approach.  That said, it is possible we need more and shorter articles, across all distros, though I am skeptical that is the best direction to go, and the simpler approach is to merge in this case.  I.e., it's one simple change to fix an outlier to conform to a large group, instead of changing a large group of articles to conform to a new approach used right now only for the SUSE Linux Enterprise variants.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:18, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I found it!! at the past I proposed to merge SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop into this article which was renamed to "SUSE Linux Enterprise", something which never happened, but now I think the only and correct place to merge these two articles is simply SUSE Linux! currently it has a bunch of redundant information from these two articles and openSUSE, it need to fist be cleaned up and then merge these articles into.--Editor-1 (talk) 10:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like a sensible proposal. Thanks   — Amakuru (talk) 19:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

text: I just hadn't time, sorry. -- FMM-1992 (talk) 01:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

text: I will do all of these merges in the next week, can you give me time please? -- FMM-1992 (talk) 06:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

text: thanks for the update. Per my comments above, I am fairly agnostic about whether the Desktop and Server articles should exist as separate articles or be combined. If you now favour the latter again that's OK, although we should make up our minds and stick with it, because we don't want to be flip flopping about each and every year. Regarding your second proposal above, to merge SUSE Linux into SUSE Linux Enterprise, I would strongly oppose that. SUSE Linux is the most noteworthy encyclopedic article on this subject, referring to the entire SUSE ecosystem going back to its inauguration in 1994. The SUSE Linux Enterprise is a more modern creation, and a specific distribution, which didn't come into play until 2004, ten years after the original SUSE. Much like the Red Hat Linux and Red Hat Enterprise Linux separation that you mention above, SUSE Linux and SUSE Linux Enterprise are also separate concepts. So I suggest you go ahead with the merge of Server and Desktop, and move back to Enterprise, but otherwise let's leave this as is, with SUSE Linux as a separate page. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   Yes, it has more content, but when we merged it into another article we will have its information in there, so there is no problem here. Please see the table and its version numbers at , it clearly shows that what is called "SUSE Linux Enterprise" nowadays is just a re-brand of the old "SuSE Linux", this is also covered at DistroWatch.com: SUSE Linux Enterprise, see also , while Red Hat Linux and Red Hat Enterprise Linux are completely different, they are different in version numbers and technical aspects, also Red Hat clearly announced discontinuation of Red Hat Linux in favor of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) for enterprise environments, while there was not similar action for SUSE Linux Enterprise. Also its information looks false:  Please show me "SUSE Linux". -- FMM-1992 (talk) 02:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: "SUSE Linux" is an overarching term, like a franchise name.  Similarly, there is no such particular thing as "Microsoft Windows", but a bunch of particular editions (Microsoft Windows Home, Microsoft Windows Pro, etc.), yet we still have a main article at Microsoft Windows.  I still favor merging all these SUSE Linux... articles to SUSE Linux, and giving each variant a section in it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  If we want to merge the SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop and Server articles into SUSE Linux then how "SUSE Linux" should be defined in the lead section? currently it says:  the main question is whether "SUSE Linux" is a particular and single Linux distro according to what user:Amakuru said:  or one group of Linux distros or a franchise name per what user:SMcCandlish said? because the Microsoft Windows article says:  FMM-1992 (talk) 04:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
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message: I wonder whether you wouldn't mind getting back to this and completing the merge, as you have more subject expertise that most on this topic! Klbrain (talk) 21:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I just hadn't time, sorry. -- FMM-1992 (talk) 01:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

text: I will do all of these merges in the next week, can you give me time please? -- FMM-1992 (talk) 06:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

text: thanks for the update. Per my comments above, I am fairly agnostic about whether the Desktop and Server articles should exist as separate articles or be combined. If you now favour the latter again that's OK, although we should make up our minds and stick with it, because we don't want to be flip flopping about each and every year. Regarding your second proposal above, to merge SUSE Linux into SUSE Linux Enterprise, I would strongly oppose that. SUSE Linux is the most noteworthy encyclopedic article on this subject, referring to the entire SUSE ecosystem going back to its inauguration in 1994. The SUSE Linux Enterprise is a more modern creation, and a specific distribution, which didn't come into play until 2004, ten years after the original SUSE. Much like the Red Hat Linux and Red Hat Enterprise Linux separation that you mention above, SUSE Linux and SUSE Linux Enterprise are also separate concepts. So I suggest you go ahead with the merge of Server and Desktop, and move back to Enterprise, but otherwise let's leave this as is, with SUSE Linux as a separate page. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   Yes, it has more content, but when we merged it into another article we will have its information in there, so there is no problem here. Please see the table and its version numbers at , it clearly shows that what is called "SUSE Linux Enterprise" nowadays is just a re-brand of the old "SuSE Linux", this is also covered at DistroWatch.com: SUSE Linux Enterprise, see also , while Red Hat Linux and Red Hat Enterprise Linux are completely different, they are different in version numbers and technical aspects, also Red Hat clearly announced discontinuation of Red Hat Linux in favor of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) for enterprise environments, while there was not similar action for SUSE Linux Enterprise. Also its information looks false:  Please show me "SUSE Linux". -- FMM-1992 (talk) 02:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: "SUSE Linux" is an overarching term, like a franchise name.  Similarly, there is no such particular thing as "Microsoft Windows", but a bunch of particular editions (Microsoft Windows Home, Microsoft Windows Pro, etc.), yet we still have a main article at Microsoft Windows.  I still favor merging all these SUSE Linux... articles to SUSE Linux, and giving each variant a section in it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  If we want to merge the SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop and Server articles into SUSE Linux then how "SUSE Linux" should be defined in the lead section? currently it says:  the main question is whether "SUSE Linux" is a particular and single Linux distro according to what user:Amakuru said:  or one group of Linux distros or a franchise name per what user:SMcCandlish said? because the Microsoft Windows article says:  FMM-1992 (talk) 04:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Follow-on discussion

message: How is the current status of the merger? The discussion seems to died off half a year ago.
I can see a inconsistency between the report of User @FMM-1992 that the merge is completed and the fact that the article is still not merged and still has the merge proposal category since August 2021.
Should something be done? Or can the category be removed from it's page? GavriilaDmitriev (talk • they/them) 00:06, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarifying current merger status