Talk:Red yeast rice

message: In reference to:
"ConsumerLab.com found large variation in the active compounds between red yeast rice supplements, and also found that some of them were contaminated with citrinin, a nephrotoxic mycotoxin.[2][3] Evidence about the side effects of red yeast rice is limited, but it may have similar side effects to the drug lovastatin, which include kidney problems and other side effects.[4] Regular medical monitoring is needed to detect such effects."
The site linked to in [4] makes no reference to risk of kidney problems induced by lovastatin, nor does the lovastatin page, and indeed multiple clinical trials seem to show lovastatin producing moderate improvements in patients with kidney problems. So why does this say lovastatin causes kidney problems? Was it perhaps a mistake in wording and in reference to the citrinin contaminated batches which were toxic to the kidneys?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Auxin (talk • contribs) 05:01, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kidneys 

message: (Originally posted by Jlo131 in the article's body)
To Authors: maybe some confusions between Ang-chau (i.e. in singapore for dessert) and Angkak (i.e. fungkiuk).  See http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/blog/daimond/index.php?cmd=showentry&eid=7841
Hope to get more correct information. Also the color is a bit dark for Red Yeast Rice (as shown in the webpage)
Flowerysong (talk) 21:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible confusion 

message: Proposal:  Merge Red yeast rice into Monascus purpureus.  Badagnani 22:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Sjschen.  MP and RYR are as different (and as similar) as oats and oatmeal. – David.Throop 03:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Please consider adding something similar to the following either in the opening paragraph or in the "Chinese medicine" section:
In China it is widely available as XueZhiKang 血脂康, and in Singapore it is available as Hypocol™.  
--Ming
Both Xuezhikang and Hypercol now mentioned in the section on medical uses but not in the intro.David notMD (talk) 20:29, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  XueZhiKang 

message: I can't see a ton of characters in the first paragraph because they are in a different language. I just see squares. I think we should get rid of those because the vast majority of people will not have a chinese language pack on their computers. TheAngriestPharmacist 07:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: It is my understanding (and I am no expert) that it is the yeast that holds the lovastatin properties. Although a google search yields more hits for RYR, isn't RRY a more accurate name for the product? I feel if there is some need clarification, WP would be the place. It seems that when the product is produced and grown, the yeast and rice become inseparable. Is it true that the product used as a HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor is a blended mix of the rice and yeast? Or is there a way to deliver the yeast on its own. Thanks! --travisthurston+ 18:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The product that is traditionally sold is rice that contains red yeast: "Red yeast rice"  I suppose the yeast itself could reasonably be called "red rice yeast" but it's a less popular term: Google stats give "rry" ~ 51,900; "ryr" ~ 729,000.  I also am not an expert on this product, and I don't know whether the distinction I made is commonly done. --Slashme (talk) 05:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Red Rice Yeast vs. Red Yeast Rice

message: This section in the article attempts to capture the complex link between red yeast rice as a dietary supplement and 'statin' drugs such as lovastatin and simvstatin.  The marketing of RYR infers that it contains cholesterol lowering activity, which was true for Cholestin when it was introduced to the U.S. market around 1997. In the U.S., the Food and Drug Administration semi-successfully stops sales of RYR products that contain monacolin K, as it is identical to the drug, lovastatin. RYR products that do not claim to contain monacolins and do not explicitly claim to lower cholesterol do not trespass on the FDA's turf.David notMD (talk) 17:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's sad that the bought govt and the FDA has turned into a turf war between corporate profits and my freedoms. If the government manages my health as well as they manage everything else I'm in huge trouble. I want to manage my own health and I want the government to get out of my way. and if you want to give me this nonsense about 'doctors know best, so I need a prescription for everything and I need to pay for their potential approval' or 'government knows best', it's funny how the government lets people smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol (though the tobacco companies have a monopoly on that) but they don't let people choose their own medicine. The health freedom argument only applies when it facilitates corporate profits and, more specifically, the profits of government established monopolists. I don't care if you think you know better than me what's best for me, if I want to take unadulterated RYR for my health problems it is none of your business. and if I want to wear a magnetic bracelet around my wrist because I think it will somehow magically prevent cancer who are you to force me not to wear it against my will. Mind your own business, no one is telling you what to do with your life. The FDA should be limited to ensuring that labels are complete and accurate (ie: that all ingredients are labeled and that nothing is labeled that isn't present) and perhaps to ensuring that certain possible contraindications are listed (though the seller of a product could optionally note that this is the FDA's opinion and not the opinion of the seller, the FDA shouldn't be allowed to put words in your mouth against your will).
The key point is that it is illegal in the U.S. to sell a prescription drug as an over-the-counter dietary supplement. Hence, no selling RYR that works. Ditto stuff that clams to be an herbal treatment for erectile dysfunction but is really just Viagra. It is immoral but not illegal to sell RYR that does not work, but if a label or website claim is made that it lowers cholesterol, then the Federal Trade Commission may step in.David notMD (talk) 22:02, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

text: As of 2017, many supplement companies offer red yeast rice products. Majority make no mention of monacolin content nor cholesterol lowering (or any other health benefit). A guess here is that the yeast strains used and methods of fermentation do not yield monacolins.David notMD (talk) 13:09, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red yeast rice and statin drugs 

message: With updating and adding refs, question is whether this article is a plausible candidate for Good Article. Any opinions? David notMD (talk) 22:17, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Cleaned up dead refs and have nominated. Vis-a-vis my User page COI: As of 12/31/18 I am no longer an industry consultant = retired.  David notMD (talk) 01:34, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article candidate? 

message: It is unclear from the article, and from Google searching (because of all the results for supplements rather than food uses) whether Red Yeast Rice is ever eaten as rice. I.e. is it only used as a spice/colouring or is it sometimes eaten as cooked rice? The section on preparation suggests not, but it is unclear if this is simply an omission or if it would never be eaten as a rice dish in China/Asia. When I say eaten as a rice dish I basically mean: does anyone cook red yeast rice and then eat that as you would normal rice? Someone with knowledge of east Asian cuisine (or better Google-fu than me) should clarify this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.17.209.130 (talk) 02:43, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Takes time and trouble to ferment the rice with red yeast, so typical uses are dried, ground to powder, and used as a coloring or flavoring agent. Try search on "cooking with red yeast rice" for food and drink uses (example, turns rice wine pink). David notMD (talk) 04:16, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification on culinary use