Talk:Fordson

message: "The Fordson tractor by the Ford Motor Company was the first agricultural tractor to be mass produced."
Is a misleading sentance.  Fordson, although found by Henry Ford, was not an entity of the Ford Motor Company.  The Fordson name was selected for two reasons. There was already a Ford Tractor Company in Minneapolis at the time, and the Ford Motor Company shareholders did not approve of tractor production. So Henry established an entirely new firm, Ford & Son Inc., which was shortened to Fordson.  In 1930 Henry Ford built the 9N with the Ferguson three point hitch, which became the industry standard, making it the first Henry Ford built tractor with the Ford name, but Fordson remained a seperate firm being manufactured in England.  In 1961 the Ford and Fordson merged, bringing an end to the Fordson name. Enigma 17:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening 

message: Might the "Vapouriser" that fed the Fordson's engine been the same thing as a catalytic carburetor?  It seems to fit, except for the timeline.
Otherwise I have no idea what that is, and it'd be nice to know.  The "Vapouriser" link goes nowhere ATM, and the US spelling "vaporizer" isn't helpful either. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jhf (talk • contribs) 22:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it something to do with the fact that tractors post WWII didn't run on petrol, and diesel was not generally available. They ran on TVO Tractor vaporising oil Chevin (talk) 12:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See Vaporizer (internal combustion engine). Biscuittin (talk) 14:30, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vapouriser 

message: Why does Fordson redirect to Fordson Tractors? they also made the Fordson Sussex Lorry which was used by the RAF in WWII, about time this redirect was rectified--86.27.184.216 (talk) 17:07, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, the Fordson brand can be seen on a lorry at RAF Duxford, the Imperial War Museum of aircraft. They have a 1936 balloon winch mounted on the back of a Fordson WOT lorry. I've also seen a Fordson WOT crash truck for airfields. Binksternet (talk) 14:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I have also seen an advert for a "Fordson van" in a 1949 issue of The Times of india. 165.91.64.169 (talk) 06:22, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fordson made more than just Tractors 

message: The statement, "The early Fordson tractor engines were difficult to start. In hot weather it was a chore to start because the oil congealed on the cylinder walls and on the clutch plates." This seems a bit strange as oil congeals when it is cold not hot! Then in the next breath we learn that fires were started under the tractor to heat it up! Should the questioned statement be changed to reflect COLD weather conditions?
--Keith Ramsey (talk) 22:39, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congealing Oil 

message: According to the cited source:
"The most negative feature, however, was the Fordson's tendency to rear up in front and flip over backwards if sudden resistance on the drawbar created excessive torque in the transmission.  The first Fordsons had the worm gear above the main drive pinion, but this caused too much heat fot the driver's seat.  When the worm gear was placed below the big pinion, this increased the lift on the front wheels.  One Indiana farmer believed such a dangerous machine should be banned by law. The Eastern Implement Dealer claimed Fordsons killed thirty-six drivers in 1918, while Pipp's Weekly insisted the tractor had snuffed out the lives of 136 men prior to August, 1922." - :
The first sentence is not very clear and is open to misinterpretation. An editor assumed that the drawbar was placed too high and pulled the tractor over backward when the implement being pulled was stuck.  However, that problem would have nothing to do with the transmission and would certainly not be caused by lowering a component on the tractor.
What apperars to be the case is that the increased torque from the engine to counter a powered implement being clogged caused a reaction in the transmission that lifted the front wheels off the ground and flipped the tractor over.
It is a pity the source was not more clear that the "sudden resistance on the drawbar" was on the driveshaft and not on the entire drawbar.  The rest of the passage makes it clearer.
Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 12:07, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What caused the Fordson to flip over backwards? 

message: I think a clarification is required related to the use of the names "Henry Ford & Son" and "Fordson", or maybe a rewrite of some sections is in its place. For instance, I can't quite get the following two pieces of information to add up:
Henry Ford & Son had used the cable address "Fordson" for years. In 1918, it was adopted as the brand name marked on the tractors.
and
Ford incorporated his private company, Henry Ford and Son Inc, to mass-produce the tractor on July 27, 1917
I mean, if Henry Ford and Son was incorporated in 1917, how could they have used the cable address "Fordson" for years by 1918? Or did "Henry Ford & Son" exist as an entity different from the company before that? If so, what was its exact nature?
Also, there appears to be some inconsistency related to the use of the word "and" and the ampersand character ("&"). Then again, perhaps "Henry Ford & Son" refers to something different from "Henry Ford and Son Inc" - see above.
81.191.184.223 (talk) 21:36, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that the following sentence is correct, based on reading of books in the bibliography: "Henry Ford & Son had used the cable address "Fordson" for years. In 1918, it was adopted as the brand name marked on the tractors." I don't know whether the following other sentence is correct (it was added by someone else, IIRC): "Ford incorporated his private company, Henry Ford and Son Inc, to mass-produce the tractor on July 27, 1917." If the latter is correct, then the answer must be (and I think this is likely) that Henry and Edsel had been running a tractor-themed "side project" for several years in Dearborn that used the cable address "Fordson" but that was not yet legally incorporated. This would make sense given than Henry Ford didn't start out aiming to make "Henry Ford and Son Inc" a second company paralleling or rivaling Ford Motor Company in size or scope. Rather, what caused him to approach that, briefly, was his battle for shareholder control over Ford Motor Company. That struggle is mentioned within the section Fordson#Importation and production in Ireland, England, and the Soviet Union, as well as in other Ford-related articles (within the section  Henry Ford#Model T, and in more detail at History of Ford Motor Company#Post-World War I developments). As for clarifying the portion of this article that raised the question: I believe the explanation above is correct, but I would have to do some rereading to confirm and cite it. I don't think the ampersand is a key factor (just a variant referring to the same entity). Mixed into this same time frame (1915-1919) is the following: the creation of the Rouge; the dynamic tension between the auto and tractor business lines at the time (HF1 was as much a tractor man as a car man, but some city folk disdained that); the fact that HF1 was choosing to reinvest all auto profits into the tractor business at this time; the fear that the Rouge was all for tractors, not for cars (not true, but feared true). The key timeline, according to Leffingwell 1998:61-62, is June 1915 (HF1 begins planning the Rouge), August 1916 (HF1 announces reinvesting auto profits in tractors and therefore not dividends), November 1916 (Dodge Brothers file suit), December 1918 (HF1 resigns from FMC), March 1919 (threat released that HF & Son about to do new cars and trucks, FMC stock value mortally threatened), July 1919 (HF1 acquires all stock, although borrowing money to do it). — ¾-10 02:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry Ford & Son, origin of the name Fordson 

message: Do they leave Boyle all the time underneath the motor 2001:8004:C84:FFA:C55:D724:BFCD:14BB (talk) 07:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do they leak oil all the time Underneath the motor