Talk:Baltimore Elite Giants

message: I wasn't sure if the article should be broken up by home city or by league.  By league seemed to flow easier, but someone can reorganize it by home city if preferred. 64.85.221.184 (talk) 15:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
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message: I am not convinced that 1921 was anything more than an exhibition.  First, the source given (Holway) does not list them in the NSL that year, nor does the text of the article.  Second, I was under the impression that the better independent teams of the south simply challenged each other to see who could call themselves the '21 "Southern Colored Champion"; regardless it was not a "league" title, so to speak, since Nashville was unaffiliated AFAIK.  Therefore, I have removed the 1921 from the infobox league titles, and altered the text slightly.  Rgrds. (Dynamic IP, will change when I log off.) --64.85.214.50 (talk) 14:01, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you may be right. I wanted to take the article further and expand the later years' info also, but I started running into sources that contradicted each other, so I gave up in utter confusion. NatureBoyMD (talk) 15:58, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You want confusion -- HERE is confusion; it also has some good tips on researching Negro leagues.  So keep looking, if you screw something up it'll all come out in the wash.  Rgrds. (Dynamic IP, will change when I log off.) --64.85.214.50 (talk) 16:19, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
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message: I am researching the 1942 NNL and NAL season, and the Baltimore Afro-American reports that the Elite Giants played their home games at Bugle Field in 1942.  I don't know (all my references are at home) whether this is a distinct stadium, or just a renaming of (or an alternate name for) another park.  Since I've confined my research to this one season at the moment, I also can't tell you if this was their home for more than one season.  -- Couillaud 21:03, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Bugle Field was a separate, smaller ballpark that had previously been used by the Baltimore Black Sox. I suspect that the Elite Giants used it as their primary ballpark and rented out the larger Terrapin/Oriole Park or Venable Stadium for special, high attendance games. For example, the Chicago Defender of May 9, 1942 says that a crowd of 12,000 is expected for a doubleheader against Philadelphia at Oriole Park. On a search of 4 black newspapers between 1938 and 1944, I get 76 results for "Elite Giants" and "Oriole" and 95 results for "Elite Giants" and "Bugle." I'm adding Bugle Field to the list of ballparks since it appears to have been used as much or more than the others. BRMo (talk) 04:05, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked for newspaper references for the Elite Giants playing at the old Venable/Memorial/Municipal Stadium between 1944 and 1949 and didn't find any (though it's possible I may have overlooked some). On the other hand, I did find this article , which says that they were denied use of the stadium. Green Cathedrals is the source I looked at when I added Venable Stadium for 1944-49, but it's pretty clear that Bugle Field was their main home field during that period. So I'm going to drop Venable Stadium. On the other hand, I did find several sources saying that in 1950 they were playing at the newly constructed Memorial Stadium (the one the MLB Orioles later would later play in). BRMo (talk) 04:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick check of my notes shows that Opening Day at Oriole Park was the Elite Giants' only home game at that venue, and as an aside, they only drew approximately 5,500, and after a 10-inning first game, saw the second game cancelled due to wartime curfew.  The notes show they hosted 16 dates at Bugle Field (many of them double-headers), though I can't be certain they were all at Bugle Field (reports don't always identify the ballpark, thought they usually do if it's a step up from the standard).  More research is needed, apparently. -- Couillaud 18:11, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
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