Talk:Pure Reason Revolution

message: This page, obviously edited by the band, is a pure vanity page and a vehicle of self-promotion, as are the individual members' pages. The band's level of fame and acheivement makes me of the opinion that it does not merit a Wikipedia entry  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.220.38 (talk) 11:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
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message: If anyone can advise how to stop Wiki formatting as it does, my previous entry then I would love to hear.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justpassinby (talk • contribs) 15:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting 

message: #  Quoting the acts that the members of this band 'appreciate' is about as relevant as saying they all like toast for breakfast (or that a heart surgeon really knows a lot about toenails). I completely fail to see your logic in saying that it is important to know who someone 'appreciates' in order to bestow credibility on them (which is what is happening here). Maybe the fact that there is just two people contributing to this debate is a reflection of the lack of notability?
#    However, we have debated this page ad nausem and still haven't got past the first paragraph. You appear to have a vested interest in this band ( maybe you are related?) as you firmly believe that it deserves an entry in Wiki. I, however believe otherwise, so, having given you the opportunity to change the page, will go through the deletion process.193.132.159.169 Justpassinby (talk) 14:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The band members' influences tells you about the band. Many articles on bands have such information. The information given is cited. I see no inherent problem with it. Many people have edited this page, so I don't think it particularly tells us anything that no-one else has yet joined in this discussion. I have no conflict of interest concerning this band: I like their music and have seen them play twice. If you wish to put this page up for deletion through the WP:AFD process, then you are free to do that. I will argue the page is notable for the reasons I gave in the last AFD. It seems to me that the article satisfies the criteria at WP:BAND with ease. Bondegezou (talk) 15:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headline text 

message: # I have asked for citations where the article quotes supposedly published material which I am unable to find. These are necessary to support the credibility of the articleJustpassinby (talk) 18:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have given a URL for The Independent article. The article was easily found online. There is no reason to remove citations given, so please stop doing so. This article has been written by multiple different people and there is no evidence that edits by anyone other than yourself have involved fabricated material. Bondegezou (talk) 15:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further citations requested 

message: A point of contact regarding this article:
*Any material that is challenged and for which no source is provided may be removed by any editor.
*Material must be attributed to a reliable, published source.
*Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought, nor a forum for promoting one's own point of view; all material must be verifiable.
In this capacity, I'm challenging all unsourced material in this article per the above three core Wikipedia value policies to be either sourced, or removed. I do intend to remove unsourced content within the next few days; the period until that time to be used by contributors here to look at improving the content by then, ensuring that as much as possible is attributable and neutral. -- Jza84 · (talk) 02:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content removal 

message: This page is still in need of verifiable references. I propose to delete the items needing references in accordance with Wikipedia policyJustpassinby (talk) 21:30, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: Editors of this article might be interested to know that an article for Jon Courtney has been created and is currently the subject of a deletion discussion. Bondegezou (talk) 11:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jon Courtney]]

message: : I have removed content for which no sound references were given although they have been requested. The reference to the 'Reading weekender' is actually a reference to Velocity recordings promo blurb, and I cannot find any reference (other than the band themselves saying so) to the band GEL ever having been signed to Sire records. sire records do not show them as a back catalogue artist, nor was any record ever released by Sire
Please do not rever these alterations without discussion; this article is misleading.Justpassinby (talk) 21:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Part of your last edit makes an unreferenced and erroneous claim of plagiarism. This clearly violates Wikipedia's policy on the biographies of living people and so I have removed it. Other parts of your edit removed cited material without explanation (your explanation above about the Reading Weekender citation is unproven). If you feel other parts of your edit are justified, might I suggest you make them separately. Bondegezou (talk) 14:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The words "A million bright ambassadors of morning" were copied from Pink Floyd's 'Meddle' album. Not plagiarised, as you rightly point out, so I will make that point in the article.
*Doing a search of the Reading Chronicle on "Sunset Sound" yields no results, so the bit about 'sugary sweet guitars' cannot be verified or admitted. The reference you have given is to a Velocity Recordings PROMOTIONAL page which in turn claims the Reading Chronicle as a source, however this is unverifiable. A reference to an invalid reference???
*The section about being signed to Sire records  is referenced back to baldyslaphead's fan page, where it is, in turn unreferenced. In actual fact, the only web reference I can find to this claim is by Jon Courtney in an interview. Now, seeing as NO records were ever issued by Sire Records on behalf of Sunset Sound, and Sire records themselves cannot (or will not) verify this, then it seems that this cannot be independantly verified. Unless the reference is "It must be true because Jon Courtney once said it in a promotional interview"
*So, I will again make the changes. Please do not revert them without providing valid references or discussing on this page. Justpassinby (talk) 16:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I've put The Independent article (clearly a reliable source) as a citation for Gel being signed to Sire. Bondegezou (talk) 10:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I have also restored two citations that you removed without explanation. As before, do not remove citations without an explanation. Bondegezou (talk) 11:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The citations were removed in error. Whilst I agree that that the source of the citation is reliable, I dispute that it is independent or unbiased as the interviewee was a band member. I will continue to monitor this article for dodgy references.Justpassinby (talk) 13:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

text: You have, yet again, removed cited material. You have also recently vandalised the Jon Courtney page. Your behaviour does not appear to me consistent with a desire to improve Wikipedia. I find it difficult to take your edits seriously while this pattern of editing behaviour continues. Bondegezou (talk) 17:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you'll find that I have removed only uncited material, and have added cited material. What Wiki policy does advertising the next release come under?Justpassinby (talk) 17:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You have clearly removed cited material. For example, news of the "Victorious Cupid" EP has a reference given. Comments about the new album had some citation information given to the band's MySpace page. Describing that a band is releasing a single is appropriate content for a Wikipedia article about the band and not advertising. You have also, yet again, signed the article page inappropriately. Bondegezou (talk) 17:52, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, reference the Myspace Page. You are simply modifying this Wiki directory as this band sees fit to tell you. There is no new album and the next release will be on an 'underground' label as opposed to the major label that wiki guidelines suggest for notability. It will also not be available on general release and will be a limited run. This is blatant advertising and promotion. Please stop itJustpassinby (talk) 18:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The band do not tell me to do anything. I have never met the band. Wiki notability guidelines apply to the existence of the article as a whole: the article has survived an AfD and been judged to be notable. After that, any further releases the band make, on whatever label, constitute legitimate content for the article. It is not advertising or promotion for an article about a band to state they are releasing something. Bondegezou (talk) 18:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an encyclopaedia, not an almanac. Please keep the article to what has happened and is verifiable, not what MAY happen. You have already been bitten once with the non-release of an album (Oct/Nov 2007). I' would hate to see that happen again.Justpassinby (talk) 08:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not add the information about the band's delayed next album to which you refer. (However, I will be restoring material about that you removed to provide context.) There is also a clear difference between a vague report of a release and clear citations to an imminent release. The suggestion that describing the band's activities—in terms of new releases and live shows—is advertising or inappropriate for an encyclopaedia is, frankly, risible. I am restoring that material with additional citations. Bondegezou (talk) 11:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody suggested you did add the material to which you refer. Listen, this page has almost reached an acceptable Wiki standard. There is little evidence that any persons other than me and you ever look at it. Why don't we just agree to leave it factual? Once the gig has been played and the album released, by all means put it inJustpassinby (talk) 22:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content removal 

message: :I recently asked for verification of sales figure which wasn't forthcoming so I have removed a small line. If verification can be provided then by all means revert, otherwise it is misleading (I had heard that sales figures for "the dark Third is , in fact, significantly higher than quoted)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mynameisalf (talk • contribs) 20:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales figures 

message: I think the references to nearfest and the forthcoming album should be left in as the do not appear to me to be vandalism. The entries were made by an 'anonymous' IP address and by user 'Chutch'. I believe these to be one and the same, the ip address resolvng to a Bethlehem PA isp and the handle being that of Chad Hutchinson, the nearfest organiser from PA. If anyone should know then he should. By all means, if you know different then please revert. I used the  'undo' as a means of notifying you - I have no intention of spoiling your piece.Mynameisalf (talk) 07:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Coming from the same city as the organiser is hardly grounds for inclusion; the city has 70,000 inhabitants, and anyone can put what they like as a username. I recommend getting an admin to check if Chutch is going from the same IP, instead of just the same city. You could have just left a message on my talk page to notify me, btw :P Ironholds (talk) 00:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  forthcoming release references 

message: I was thinking of expanding the article to include information on individual songs; the tunings, lyrical content, etc. Would this be worthwhile or likely to be deleted? Ironholds (talk) 00:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. :) This sounds like the kind of information that would usually be incorporated in the related album articles. See WP:ALBUM, for instance. The complication is doing it in such a way that it isn't taken as WP:OR. Lyrical content is easy to incorporate (though, of course, we're limited in the amount of lyrics we can incorporate), but we have to be careful to avoid too much analysis. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the quick response! what do you mean by "related album articles"? Ironholds (talk) 01:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean in the album articles that are related to a band, like The Dark Third or Cautionary Tales for the Brave. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, ok, i get you. I was planning to do so anyway, but i thought i'd get a faster response here than on the individual albums talk pages. Thanks a bunch! Ironholds (talk) 01:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

text: The band has forthcoming dates: they are still active and in the present tense. When they've finished this series of farewell dates, then the tenses in the article can be changed. Bondegezou (talk) 21:13, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick feeler

message: They're a British band, so I've changed some of the grammar to British English accordingly. 81.23.56.53 (talk) 00:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yar, thanks for that. You might get some flak over the is/are change, but the British English "favour" was a good call :). Sorry I didn't see it myself, actually. Ironholds (talk) 00:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
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