Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Norway/Archive 2

message: * Started out too fast; didn’t do my homework first. Thought when we moved from landscapes to districts we moved to a consistent name for each district too – so I started converting to the form shown in the Districts of Norway.  I see we don’t actually have a consensus on a consistent name yet. 
* The comments by Picapica, which I originally resisted mightily, pointed out some inconsistencies in our Wikipedia:WikiProject Norway naming conventions. I’ve added this discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Norway to keep the rather lengthy debate together. 
::*  One of Picapica recommendations was converting “landscapes” to historic Districts of Norway; I believe the group acceded to that advice while I was off sulking (well actually out of the country working – but sulking is apt). 
::* Another discussion, which Picapica appears to have acceded on, is the drive to convert Nidelva to the River Nid. I think we are going to retain the Nidelva, & that makes sense to me
* Yet another Picapica recommendation was that we resolve our apparently random use of the definite article (e.g., sometimes we use “Gudbrandsdal” & other times “Gudbrandsdalen” in the same article in very similar ways).  One could try to make a case for using either one:
::* The case for indefinite form “Gudbrandsdal” -  “Gudbrandsdal” is the root. “en” is the suffix which is dropped when one uses an indefinite article. Use of the root is simple and easy.  
::* The case for the definite from “Gudbrandsdalen” -  Since “Gudbrandsdalen” translates as ‘The valley of  Gudbrand” which is definite (i.e., there is only one such valley) this form carries a special meaning: uniqueness – there is indeed only one such valley.  
*  I see no overwhelmingly compelling argument for either approach.  I do see contradictions with either choice, but leaving off the definite article suffix seems most problematic, because: 
::* Terms like “Sørlandet”, have rarely been translated in English texts as “Sørland,” the definite form is apparently invariably used. Just leafed through 14 books & didn’t find anything but “Sørlandet.” Even Haugen’s dictionary uses “Sørlandet”, even though he uses “Gudbrandsdal.” Unfortunately he does not explain why. “Østlandet”  & “Vestlandet” receive similar treatment from Haugen – but “Oppland”  does not. So the underlying principle is not, any word which calls for a neuter ending should include the suffix. 
::*Terms like the “Østerdalene” have a real meaning that is worth capturing – signifying the collection of valleys in the region, including the Trysil valley, Engerdal, Rendal and Glomdal.
* Lacking any obvious rule, I’d suggest we simply use the form on the Districts of Norway page to document our consensus usage.  
* And I’d suggest a possible rule might be, “use the definite form for landscapes since it emphasizes the uniqueness.” 
*  Of course, I’m always open to better thinking.  Thoughts, comments & recommendations? 
* And a final comment. My mother always starting any family gathering by prohibiting the discussion of water fluoridation, politics, and which form of Norwegian was the correct form. I’m beginning to understand why. 
* Tusen takk for your patience -  Williamborg 02:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps the rule is use the concensus practice as documented on the Districts of Norway. Or does Norway need a page on concensus accepted names? Williamborg 02:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Excellent points. Language evolves through usage. It’s continuously in flux; today’s usages will amuse our grandchildren and puzzle our great-grandchildren. And Norway’s various historic dialects probably cause some variability in usage as well. Just as there are irregular verbs, there are irregular name usages.  It appears that we need a new page to simply agree on & record the various ‘standard’ Norwegian names for Wiki. Williamborg 05:37, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gudbrandsdal or Gudbrandsdalen

message: TRANSFERED FROM Talk:Gudbrandsdal SINCE IT IS RIGHT ON TARGET FOR THIS DISCUSSION:
 
Before we go too far in changing every link throughout Wikipedia to Gudbrandsdal, rather than Gudbrandsdalen, let's see which makes sense.  I did a google advanced search and found the following:
* Gudbrandsdal
** English - 15,100 hits
** Norwegian - 112,100
* Gudbrandsdalen
** English - 27,600
** Norwegian - 277,000
It should also be noted that the use of "Gudbrandsdal" in Norwegian appears to be strictly associated with proper names, e.g, "Nord-Gudbrandsdal Videregående Skole," etc. 
There are also grammatical considerations. Since Norwegians consistently refer to the area as "Gudbrandsdalen", in English it must either be referred to as "the Gudbrandsdal" (in the same way as "the Congo," "the Bronx," and "the Sudan," and I suppose "the Hague") or simply "Gudbrandsdalen." My guess is that it would be easier to train people to say "Gudbrandsdalen" than to insist that they include the definitive article first.  
Curiously, other valleys are less definitive - it is unproblematic to refer to Setesdal, Odal, Hallingdal, as I just did, and nobody would ever say Oppdalen. You could say "min slekt er fra Setesdal," but never "min slekt er fra Gudbrandsdal." I have no idea why that is... --Leifern 22:33, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps the rule is use the concensus practice as documented on the Districts of Norway. Or does Norway need a page on concensus accepted names? Williamborg 02:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name in English 

message: Some points makes me wonder why I'm speaking like I do...
* Historic districts are very troublesome. They tend to move over time. Be very carefull to use whats seems to be called landscapes now and don't use the old amt! They will bite back.
* Picapica and a note about "avoid clumsy wording" seems to make sence to me. His first idea to rewrite the names seems allthough a bit radical to me.
* Definite article.. Forms involving -a can most of the time be rewritten into -en. I also have a vague recall of someone who said -en could be dropped when used in english. It is not always so with -et. Sørlandet for example. I suspects I only partly remembers why this is like this. Please check this out as I don't remember much of it.
* Be carefull when you rewrite names, they could move! Oppland and Opplandene isn't the same. The last one is the old amt consisting of Telemark, Buskerud and half of Oppland if I remember correct. It also depends in which historic era your maps  are printed.
* Usually Østerdalen as an area isn't named as Østerdalene. I can't give a good reason why. Langfjella can be called Langfjellene if your address is Majorstuen in Oslo. :)
* There are a number of troublesome names on the list Districts of Norway. Lofoten, Ofoten, Salten, Vesterålen (?),  Toten, Viken, Fosen, Haugalandet, Jæren, (Nord-/Sunnhord(a)land que?)
— John Erling Blad (no) 03:23, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent points. Language evolves through usage. It’s continuously in flux; today’s usages will amuse our grandchildren and puzzle our great-grandchildren. And Norway’s various historic dialects probably cause some variability in usage as well. Just as there are irregular verbs, there are irregular name usages.  It appears that we need a new page to simply agree on & record the various ‘standard’ Norwegian names for Wiki. Williamborg 05:37, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on Gudbrandsdal or Gudbrandsdalen 

message: I’d suggest we use the following categories or topics to serve as the repository for the “accepted name” for various geographic features. 
*Districts of Norway
*Regions of Norway
*[Category:Mountains of Norway]
*[Category:Mountain ranges of Norway]
*[Category:Lakes of Norway]
*[Category:Rivers of Norway]
*[Category:Fjords of Norway]
*[Category:Glaciers of Norway]
*[Category:Headlands of Norway]
*[Category:Islands of Norway]
*[Category:National parks of Norway]
*[Category:Valleys of Norway]
*[Category:Waterfalls of Norway]
*[Category:Regions of Norway]
The name as recorded there would be the standard form to be used in articles. And if there were a discussion of, for example, the name for a river of Norway, it should be captured on the Category talk:Rivers of Norway discussion page.  
If you think this has merit, I’ll craft an addition to the naming convention section. Williamborg 04:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this is a possible solution. I especially like the use of cathegories to get rid of the manually edited lists. — John Erling Blad (no) 11:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should there be a category for Districts of Norway then? Umptanum 20:45, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal: Naming Norwegian traditional Districts, Lakes, Rivers & . . . 

message: If someone here wants something to do, your search is over. These are articles with tons of redlinks to Norwegian skiers:
*Cross-country skiing World Cup medalists
*Cross-country skiing World Championships
I guess many of the articles can be transwikied from the Norwegian Wikipedia. Punkmorten 22:07, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cross-country skiing 

message: There is now a regional notice board for Norway-related matters. I'm not 100% sure how that page should be coordinated with this WikiProject---there might be some redundancy. The notice board format seems appealing, however. --Wernher 15:19, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Regional notice board created

message: A "Villages in Norway" category has popped up by itself. Which accentuates the question about the right term for the Norwegian tettsted. My vote is pretty clearly for village. Webster has for village: "a settlement usually larger than a hamlet and smaller than a town". Which is what we are looking for, exactly. Note that village in English is not an exact synonym for landsby in Norwegian. -- Egil 10:14, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Moreover, :Category:Villages in Norway belongs to the subcategory :Category:Villages, whereas :Category:Centers in Norway does not really belong to any category. Can we just be bold and move all articles in Category:Centers to Category:Villages? In addition, of course, to other, misplaced articles in :Category:Cities in Norway and :Category:Towns in Norway. By the way, I think we should keep the distinction between city and town. Punkmorten 19:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Centre" vz. "Village" 

message: Statistisk årbok 2005 has been published, with updated numbers for municipality populations.  --Samuelsen 22:27, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistisk årbok 2005 

message: I started copying and translating the list of elected representatives from no.wikipedia (see Stortinget 2005-2009 as an example) and noticed that there actually are articles that show the returns for each party on a national level already in en.wikipedia.  We should probably combine these in a common framework.  I will continue to translate the existing articles and will then figure out how to combine them in a readable way.  I also wrote on an article on leveling seats, which may not even a good English term.  Right now, it only explains the existing law; I don't know if we want to explain the history of this arrangement.  It may also be worthwhile including an analysis of the effects of this arrangement from election to election.  --Leifern 12:44, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Election results 

message: Hi. I'm here to make an article suggestion - on Roads in Norway, to be more precise (the title is of course changeable - I used it because there happens to be a perfectly decent article on Roads in Ireland. Currently, the only thing I can find about roads in Norway is this:
:Highways:
:total: 90,741 km
:paved: 67,602 km (including 128 km of expressways)
:unpaved: 23,139 km (1998 est.)''
Or, basically, a CIA data dump. Toss in something on the International E-road network, which was terribly hard to find. I appreciate this is a massive topic, but as Rail transport in Norway is coming along rather nicely (at least it has more information for people seeking it), an overview discussing the various types of roads (Europavei, riksvei, fylkesvei, kommunal vei, maybe even privat vei), toll roads and how this compares to other countries' toll roads, the major roads (innfartsveier) to the big cities, and so forth, would be much appreciated. Sam Vimes 22:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norwegian roads 

message: It seems to me that we enough material in Norway now that we can justify setting up a Wikiportal for Norway, such as Portal:Ireland (see the entire list of portals here: Wikipedia:Portal/Directory. What do others think? I may get it started today (before work starts tomorrow). --Leifern 14:19, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I started something at Portal:Norway. --Samuelsen 16:27, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal for Norway 

message: * :no:Elg (Alces alces alces) is a small moose, it is not an american elk! (I'm not sure what people outside america calls this)
* :no:Hjort (Norwegian Red Deer Cervus elaphus atlanticus) is a small elk, allthough sometimes described as a whitetail (avoid this!)
* :no:Brunbjørn (Ursus arctos arctos) is a grizzly bear (nearly always brown, not as much grey) and is often named somewhat sloppy as norwegian grizzly
* :no:Ulv (Canis lupus lupus) is a timber wolf
* :no:Villrein (reindeer Rangifer tarandus tarandus) is a caribou (a tamrein is a partly domesticated villrein)
Not that those specimens are not similar but they roughly relates at the same level. For a more exact descriptions the articles should be consulted or other litterature.
— John Erling Blad (no) 00:00, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little zoology 

message: Herb Caen, the late famous San Francisco columnist, once complained that El Cerrito Hills was completely redundant, and I suspect it isn't the only place such redundancy happens when languages are mixed.  Let me see if I understand the general problems:
* Where the Norwegian name includes a descriptor of the geographical feature, such as Nidelva, Lysakerelven, Galdhøpiggen, Glittertind, Besshø, etc. Should we leave the name as is, with the Norwegian descriptor term, or just translate the non-descriptor term.
* Where the definitive and indefinite form vary, such as Gudbrandsdal and Gudbrandsdalen.
* Use of -en vs. -a endings for the definitive, e.g., should it be "Nidelven" or "Nidelva."
I honestly think it'll be hard to come up with a general rule for this, as some of these examples will illustrate. Perhaps we can get away with the Lysaker River, but nobody would allow us to write Gald Summit Pinnacle for Galdhøpiggen. But here are my suggestions:
* If Norwegian usage generally separates the name from the descriptor, e.g., "elven Glomma," or "elven Driva," we should do the same, but when it is a compounded word and never described another way, e.g., "Nidelva," we should use it that way. This isn't perfect - to write "the river Nidelva" doesn't feel right, but the "River Nid" just seems weird - if you asked someone in Trondheim to direct you the River Nid or the Nid, it would take them a while to sort out what you wanted.
* As for using the definitive or indefinite, I think we should try to find out what common usage is, especially in the area discussed. An easy way to do this is to simply do an advanced Google search and see what occurs most often, and see what the most common use is. The differentiating factor in my mind is whether it sounds strange to use the name without a definitive article in English. 
* Whether we use -a or -en endings is a political issue. My general view is that we should go with the usage in the place itself. Hence, we would never write Odden for Odda, but we should also stick with Fornebo rather than Fornebu, and probably Lysakerelven rather than Lysakerelva. It isn't simple, though - what about Akerselven? Perhaps we should simply grant privilege to the first drafter - I see there is an article about Akerselva and not Akerselven, though there really should be a redirect for Akerselven. --Leifern 16:22, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Minor point: I live right next to Fornebu (yes, I have to admit that...), and although it's always pronounced Fornebo, I've never seen it spelled Fornebo - so it's a bit like Akerselven, I suppose. Sam Vimes 16:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Not so minor - the airport was named in accordance with national spelling conventions at the time, which favored a more "radical" standard. So you're right - the official name is Fornebu, though I think most people who live on Snarøya call it Fornebo, and some of these would rather that their island be called Snarøen as well, though that's probably taking it too far. --Leifern 18:10, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper name thoughts 

message: I have completed a draft - really still a stub - on Norway and the European Union. I think this is an important subject, and I would certainly appreciate more editors getting in on it. My search skills may be off, but there is surprisingly little research done on how this political issue affected/affects Norwegian political life and discourse. Considering that it probably is the single most divisive issue in Norway since World War II, possibly since 1905 or even 1814. --Leifern 19:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article on Norway and the EU 

message: I added an article called List of Norwegian peaks over 2000 meters. Is pretty useful for peakbaggers that want to visit Norway and do some hiking and climbing. Feel free to edit away. --Leifern 16:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mountains 

message: For reaons I'm not going to get into, the article on Kåre Willoch is taking a rather strange turn. Since any edits I make are likely to be reverted for the same reasons, I was hoping someone here could make an effort to clarify and add to the article. And just for the record, I am fine omitting any mention to Mordechai Vanunu, since the reference is based entirely on one comment Willoch made to Klassekampen. Whatever one thinks of Willoch's legacy, the Vanunu thing is miniscule. --Leifern 02:14, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Had noticed the "edit war." Political figures tend to get polarized treatment. Not qualfied to enter this fray, but I'd be interested in a short discussion of the core areas of difference. Takk - Williamborg 02:55, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Midgley and I have disagreements elsewhere, and although he hasn't shown much other interest in Norwegian politics, he decided to argue with some of my edits here. The damage that I see is that the controversy over Vanunu is spilling over into the article on Willoch, which I don't think is helping any cause. If we can create good articles on all other Norwegian prime ministers and politicians, we should be able to write one on Willoch. I'm asking for help because I fear that anything I do will be contested by Midgley without regard for the actual content of the edits; and I suspect there are many editors who can fill in and clarify just as well as - or better than - me on this topic. Willoch has held controversial views throughout his political life, but you have to give him credit for making his views absolutely clear. This makes writing an NPOV article much easier. --Leifern 03:01, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The blessing of the Wikipedia - open intellectual discussion to reach a consensus superior to any individual contribution - is also sometimes a curse. Wish you both well - Williamborg 02:26, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean and beef up [[Kåre Willoch]] 

message: Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Titoxd(?!? - help us) 18:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team|Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team]] cooperation 

message: The Norwegian National Park template still includes Gressåmoen National Park, which has since been incorporated into Blåfjella-Skjækerfjella (in 2004). Anyone out there know how to correct the template?  Williamborg 22:21, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent. Now I see. Fixed. Thanks - Williamborg 02:55, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norwegian National Park template problem 

message: Hi! The norwegians have put foreward an admin request on commons, :commons:Template:Administrators/Requests and votes/Kjetil r. It would be nice to have your votes! — John Erling Blad (no) 21:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:commons:user:Kjetil r|Kjetil r]] as admin on commons

message: There's a pretty nasty and intractable controversy on the Kven article. The controversy does not relate to the Kven minority in Norway; it's about the historical Kvens. I have tried to split it into two articles - Kven and Kven (historical). I think that the Kven minority deserves its own article, unencumbered by a dispute that doesn't relate to them at all. Please help. --Leifern 20:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need help with Kven 

message: Many of the municipalities pages for Finnmark and Tromsø are spammed with similar incorrect history sections about Kvenland. Also, the Sami people are often referred to as the  Finno-Ugric Samis, even when not talking about the language. I believe it is necessary to go through all municipalities and rewrite or remove the history sections. --Labongo 05:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I managed to clean up all articles.--Labongo 04:01, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up Municipalities of [[Finnmark]] and [[Tromsø]] 

message: I have self-nominated Architecture of Norway as a featured article, although User:Roede deserves much of the credit for it. I'd like to request help on three fronts:
* Editing it for clarity, flow, style, etc.
* Providing sources, references, etc.
* Supporting the nomination once you feel it's good enough. --Leifern 01:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Architecture of Norway nominated for featured status 

message: Can others please weigh in on this AFD? Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norwegian Golden Age. Thanks in advance. --Leifern 13:38, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFD - Norwegian "Golden Age" 

message: It has been proposed in this talk page that the article Harald I of Norway be moved to Harald Fairhair (Harald I Fairhair, and Harald I Fairhair of Norway has also been suggested). This is against the policy suggested here and will create inconsistency among the Norwegian monarch articles. The votes are currently in favour of a move and any weigh in would be appreciated. Inge 09:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming convention for Norwegian monarchs 

message: Getting into another controversial topic here. Feel free to add and edit to Alta controversy. --Leifern 16:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alta controversy 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.   B2T2 17:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: I have started writing or filling in articles on Norwegian feminists and have even asked for nominations from current feminists. See :Category:Norwegian feminists for progress. Current articles under work include:
* Camilla Collett, which deserves editing for style and significant expansion
* Aasta Hansteen
* Berit Ås
* Katti Anker Møller
* Toril Moi
* Eva Kolstad
Articles that should be written include:
* The Norwegian Association for Women's Rights (Norsk kvinnesaksforening)
* Feminism in Norway, incorporating the history of feminism in Norway
* The Womens University in Norway
* numerous biographical articles of Norwegian feminists - please nominate
**Fredrikke Marie Qvam
**Anna Rogstad
**Ragna Nielsen
**Nini Roll Anker
**Betzy Kjelsberg
**Margarete Bonnevie
**Åse Gruda Skard
**... others?
--Leifern 16:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norwegian feminists 

message: Former municipalities of Norway is now a featured list candidate, please voice your opinion (i.e. support it :) ) at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Former municipalities of Norway. Punkmorten 14:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FLC 

message: We might want to use WikiProject Germany as an example for what this project should be. Kingjeff 15:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Norway

message: There is a dispute going on at Norwegian people where a user wanted to recruit people to get the entire category Germanic peoples deleted. He met some differing opinions at Talk:Norwegian people and subsequently moved on to slap the article itself with a disputed tag. I believe it is quite uncontroversial that if we want to discuss ethnic affiliation (ethnic) Norwegians belong to the Germanic group of peoples along with Swedes, Danes, Icelanders, Germans, Dutch, English, Scots and others. Please bring whatever views you might have on the topic to Talk:Norwegian people.Inge 18:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norwegians a Germanic people 

message: In what I think is an example of deletionism gone amuck, a recently created article on Solveig Fiske was nominated for speedy deletion, on the assumption that a bishop in the Church of Norway couldn't possibly be notable unless he/she did something notable, presumably aside from being elevated to this post. I'm not sure this is because people assume that Norway, being such a small country, couldn't possibly warrant an article; or because of deletionist zealotry. In either case, I think we need to a) be fairly systematic about promoting the notability of important Norwegians; and b) complete the list of articles about Norwegian bishops. --Leifern 23:52, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bishops in the Church of Norway 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 21:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: It has been proposed on WikiProject military history to set up an either Nordic or Scandinavian task force. If you are intrested in this topic, please comment on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Two_task_force_ideas. Cheers. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nordic / Scandinavian task force on WikiProject military history?