Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains in Japan/Archive 2

message: If I decide to take on a task from the list of tasks, should I remove the task from the list?Azamiryou 20:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taking a task 

message: Feel free to watch/add to/handle the requests listed at Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Japan#Train related. I've pointed to List of Railway Stations in Japan there as well, since there are a bazillion redlinked rail articles there. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested Japan train-related articles 

message: The article is currently located at Tojo Main Line. All the other private railway lines (at least in the Tokyo area) append the company name in front. This is true even for other Tobu lines, i.e.  the Tobu Noda Line and Tobu Ogose Line. For consistency, shouldn't the Tojo Line be moved to Tobu Tojo Main Line or Tobu Tojo Line for consistency? (Note: also true for Tobu Koizumi Line.) --Polaron | Talk 05:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the main argument for including the name of the company in the name of the line/station for any non-JR lines/stations is the fact that the Japanese tend to do it that way when listing stations, especially since many of the non-JR stations and lines have the same or similar names for their lines and stations. Therefore, the easiest way to differentiate between the JR and non-JR lines/stations is to include the name of the company operating the line/station for any non-JR lines/stations. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tobu Tojo Line article name 

message: What about using :ja:画像:Kippu.PNG in :Template:Japan-rail-stub (see the Japanese version of this stub here). Thoughts? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Much better than 鉄道. I'm sure you intend to create a smaller icon version, right? Neier 21:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like Kippu.PNG too, and as Neier says, it's much better than 鉄道, which many users of the English Wikipedia won't recognize. - Tangotango 01:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I could create one. I didn't want to bother until I was sure it would be used, though. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've changed the stub image to that of a ticket stub (and even made a small version). ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub image

message: I nominated several railway line categories for deletion.  Please see Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 September 22#Japan railway line categories for the discussion, and add your comments.  Since these categories can only be an abbreviated version of the information in the the line articles themselves, the categories seem useless (but, that is just my opinion). Neier 21:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category deletion notice 

message: Please see Category talk:Railway stations in Japan for a proposal to rename the train station categories by appending " Prefecture" to the end of most of the subcats.Neier 00:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category renaming proposal 

message: Subcategories in Railway lines of Japan category is not needed, who creates these subcategories is out of rule, isn't he? If he intends on creating these, he should create ones for all the lines in Japan. If you all think it is unnecessary, can you nominate those for deletion? --Izumi5 14:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you are asking. Can you be more specific? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Izumi5, I agreed, and made a request for deletion (see two sections above). The consensus felt differently. Neier 04:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I suspect that eventually line categories willbe created for all of the lines in Japan. However, there are quite a lot of them, so it will take a little time. I'm working through one line right now. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 09:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No need for subcategories, I think 

message: I've noticed that the Japanese railroad pages offer a template to present rail vehicle information in a standardized format.  Do we have such a template?  Should we have one?  The template is called  and you can see it in use on the M250 Japanese page. Azamiryou 15:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: will work for locomotive articles. Slambo (Speak) 15:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Railcar Template 

message: I have 2 questions (I'm sorry it's tricky, so read carefully, please) ...
*1. Do we use macrons in company names within railway line names?
** Is it Tokyu Tōyoko Line ?   Or is it Tōkyū Tōyoko Line ?
*2. Do we use macrons in company names within railway station names?
** Is it Keikyu Ōtsu Station ?  Or is it Keikyū Ōtsu Station ?
Railway station names and railway line names as a whole are not company names.  But if they include company names, do they count as company names or not?  Based on WP:MOS-JA, we don't use macrons in company names.--Endroit 05:16, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've posted the above questions in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles).  Please discuss there.  Thank you.--Endroit 05:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on the discussions at WP:MOS-JA, I'm satisfied that we will have consensus to macron company names in railway line names & railway station names.  Within railway line names & railway station names, we should use Tōkyū, Hankyū, Odakyū, Keikyū, Izukyū, Fujikyū, Tōbu, Keiō, Sōtetsu, etc.  I'll start moving them.--Endroit 17:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Company names in railway ''line'' and ''station'' names 

message: I still need to finish up the main line article, and the Hiroshima Station article, but it's done other than those two things. (^_^) ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Geibi Line]] done

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.  B2T2 15:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: I've left a comment at Talk:Namba Station because I'm confused as to why the articles are divided into three rather than four (JR, Kintestu, Osaka subway, Nankai). I haven't gotten any comments for quite a while so I'll divide the articles myself if I don't hear anything. Please leave comments on the Namba talk page if you have any input. Thanks--  Dekimasu 02:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I posted my comments at Talk:Namba Station.  Please take a look there.--Endroit 03:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Namba Station]]

message: I'm afraid to sub-categorizing as wrong way. My idea is like this:
*:Category:Rail transport in Japan 
**:Category:Railway companies of Japan 
***(:Category:Companies of Japan Railways if sub-category needed)
**** (Article) Japan Railways
**** (Article) West Japan Railway Company
**:Category:Rail transport in Japan by line 
***(:Category:West Japan Railway Company if sub-category needed)
****:Category:Fukuen Line (mean 'Rail transport by Fukuen Line')
***** (Article) Fukuen Line
*****(  (Article) History of Fukuen Line, if split article)
*****(:Category:Named trains of xxxxxx Line, if sub-category exist)
*****(:Category:Infrastructure of xxxxxx Line, for example)
****** (Article) xxxxxx tunnel
****** (Article) xxxxxx bridge
*****(:Category:Stations of Fukuen Line, if sub-category exist)
****** (Article) Shiomachi Station
**:Category:Railway lines of Japan 
***(:Category:Keikyū Lines for example)
***(:Category:Kintetsu Lines for example)
***(:Category:Lines of West Japan Railway Company if sub-category needed)
**** (Article) Fukuen Line
**:Category:Railway stations in Japan 
***:Category:Railway stations in Japan by line 
****:Category:Fukuen Line (should rather :Category:Stations of Fukuen Line)
*:Category:Tunnels in Japan
**(:Category:Railway tunnels in Japan, if sub-category needed)
*** (Article) xxxxxx tunnel
*:Category:Hiroshima Prefecture 
**:Category:Fukuen Line 
I speak poor at English, so please correct grammarical mistakes in the titles of the categories, or anything else.  61.112.76.25 21:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've thought about this for awhile; and, recently I have been in a smaller discussion with User:Izumi5 who suggested that our categorization should more closely match the categorization on the ja: wikipedia.  There is a lot go chew on in both of those, so I'll try to address what I think are the major points.
* The :Category:Railway lines of Japan should be split by rail company, as suggested. 
* The Category:XYZ Line categories would be more accurately named Category:Stations of XYZ Line as the anonymous user above suggested.  I don't know if creating a subcat from Category:XYZ Line is the best way to resolve things or not.  The Category:XYZ Line would just consist of that subcat, and the line article in most cases; but, when there are named trains or tunnels, etc, then it makes sense to categorize them as above.
* Regarding the Japanese wikipedia categorization, they have no categories for the lines.  We've already had that discussion, and although I started on the opposite side, I'm convinced that line categories are good.  Without line categories, all of the stations are grouped into the main category for the railway company (see :ja:Category:東日本旅客鉄道 for an example).  Personally, I feel that having the stations in both the company's category and the line's category (as a subcat of the company's category already) is redundant.  However, the Japanese articles are sorted that way, so it is not something we should dismiss without discussing it first.
With all of that in mind, here is another suggestion:
*:Category:West Japan Railway Company
**:Category:Lines of West Japan Railway Company
***:Category:XYZ Line
****(Article) XYZ Line
****:Category:Named trains of XYZ Line (if sub-category exist)
****:Category:Stations of XYZ Line
***** (Article) ABC Station
**:Category:Stations of West Japan Railway Company
*** (Article) ABC Station (same article as above; but, sort by company like Japan site)
*:Category:Railway lines of Japan 
**:Category:Lines of West Japan Railway Company (same as above)
***:Category:XYZ Line                           (same as above; continuing)
and, optionally
*:Category:Railway stations in Japan
**:Category:Railway stations in Japan by line
***:Category:Stations of XYZ Line (same cat as above; another parent)
**** (Article) ABC Station
**:Category:Railway stations of Japan by company
***:Category:Stations of West Japan Railway Company (same cat as above; another parent)
**** (Article) ABC Station
This would end up with most stations being in 2+(Number of lines) categories (company, prefecture, and line, line, line, cats).  That doesn't seem too bad for the articles, but it may involve a lot of legwork, especially to get some of the existing categories refocussed.  Thoughts? Neier 13:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sub-Categorizing 

message: Hey, how about add Hide/Show function? It already used on Japanese one, and I think it saves the space of the article. --Izumi5 10:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in favor of that.  I would also be in favor of a single "frame" around all of the line templates on a single page, that would enable hide/show of all of them at once. Neier 12:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think hide/show for individual line would be also ideal. So it becomes dual hide/show. --Izumi5 14:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The templates are not initially hidden... Can you do something about it? --Izumi5 14:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that if there are four or more hide/display classes on a page, then they are hidden automatically.  If there are three or fewer, they are displayed.  I haven't found a way to change that yet. Neier 02:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked about this problem to Japanese wikipedia, but I doubt if I can get a solution from them for there may be difference between English and Japanese. --Izumi5 09:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Japan Railway Line]] 

message: Anyone having an opinion on articles about rail stations will be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yeouinaru Station. Fg2 02:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for deletion discussion: Yeouinaru Station 

message: I live in Osaka and I'm going to be visiting Tokyo next weekend. I'm leaving Japan on the 21st of December, so make the requests quick. I won't be here much longer! --Brad Beattie (talk) 08:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need any pictures? 

message: I've created  to allow easy sorting of requested photos by prefecture. This can be used for train stations, too, so feel free to tag stations without any photos. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting a photo 

message: The template looks very unsystematic and it is sure that terminal station of Yamanote line is Shinagawa station. --Izumi5 05:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one would answer, so I modify it to standard style. However, if you want to, feel free to edit back with some comment on it. --Izumi5 04:28, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Yamanote Line 

message: *Nara Line (JR) → Nara Line —(Discuss)
*Nara Line (Kintetsu) → Kintetsu Nara Line —(Discuss)— To make way for redirecting Nara Line to Nara Line (JR) owned and operated by West Japan Railway. Kintetsu Nara Line may be better to redirect to Nara line (Kintetsu) since the subject name Kintetsu Nara Line does not exist as an official name. —KU Talk 01:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested moves

message: The official website and other literature I have seen published now seems to refer to the museum as "The Railway Museum" rather than the odd-sounding "Museum of Railway". DAJF 12:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. Sounds good. http://www.railway-museum.jp/top.html uses the new name, as you noted. Time to rename Museum of Railway? Fg2 21:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Museum of Railway 

message: Hello all. I've just created my first trains-related article, translated from the Japanese wikipedia article (:ja:国鉄7100形蒸気機関車). I came across it through a link from things named after Shizuka Gozen... I'm happy to contribute to trains articles, particularly Meiji-era trains, which seem to not be covered quite as well as the modern stuff, but I'm afraid I don't know much about trains (and my Japanese isn't the greatest, either), so I would appreciate it if someone could look over my article, both for errors (particularly in the technical stuff) and for style and standard formatting. Thank you. LordAmeth 21:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[7100 steam locomotive]] 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards