Talk:Ice field

message: I put the term in here but I'm pretty sure it's not quite right; St. Elias Icefield or ??  Thing is many of the subareas of the overall icecap have "Icefield" names.  Kluane seemed to be the most natural name to use, but then I'm Canadian and am more familiar with that name; perhaps Chugach-Saint Elias would be more appropriate (it's a combination of the names of the two major mountain groupings between the Copper River and the Chllkoot Pass).  Anyone have any suggestions, or know if there's a proper name for the whole?  Chilkat Icefield maybe?
I'm hunting around trying to find area statistics, maybe water-volume statistics too, in order to rank them.  Maybe on some climate-change scientific site somewhere, huh?  And eventually the specifics on the major Andes and Asian and European etc icefields (I think there's even a small one in the Caucasus - ??).  Kamchatka?  I'm not talking glaciers here, but big honking icefields in subarctic or lower latitudes.  Maps and photos sure, but the idea is a listing that's searchable and where some groupos of or major individual icefields and glaciers have their own pages; because of some uniqueness or historical relevance or other notable aspect.
Part of the concept here is to build family-tree patterns off each main icecap, i.e. each main branch glacier coming out of it, most of which are named (especially in the Chugach and Saint Elias ranges, but also throughout the Boundary and Pacific Ranges - less so in the Kitimat Ranges), except for the Howson Icefield.  I've used an indent pattern for this thing in laying out the fjords of the BC Coast, to show where the leg bone is connected to the foot bone, as it were, without a map.  Same idea with the icefields; off the Kluane Icecap (so-called) there are maybe ten major named icefields, and I'd bet up to a hundred individual glacier names (these names are searchable on www.topozone.com, so a list can easily be compiled; the trick is sorting it by parent-icefield/glacier; lot of time poking around on online maps, which I don't have (time) right now.  Skookum1 23:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've only ever seen it called Kluane Icefield or Kluane Icefields, not icecap,  usually with the brag about the largest non-polar icefield in the world. Looking at an air navigation map (that only goes dwon to the 60th parallel and a little west of the Alaska border), there are no separate icefield names, just glaciers (such as the Hubbard Glacier and the Seward Glacier that start in the middle of the icefield. But Alaska has a Bagley icefield which I think is connected to the Kluane. I don't think there is anywhere near 100 individual galciers coming off the icefield, probably more like 20 or 30. Luigizanasi 07:29, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Kluane Icecap - ???

message: Separate subject: in trying to find this page again I wound up at the ice cap page, which like this one has what to me is one word as two words.  Is this the standard US or standard British usage?  I'm Canadian and haven't seen in that way much; never on maps.  Also a) shouldn't these two (ice field/ice cap) be combined and one made a redirect?  and b) currently neither one is on the ice page.  Any chance they're on the glacier page?Skookum1 00:07, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think ice cap should be combined into icefield...just my opinion.Jarfingle 02:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's "icefield", without a space in the name.  Though, "ice cap" does have a space.  Also, there is a technical distinction between what an ice cap is and an icefield.  It has to do with whether  or not the surface ice topography reflects the underlying topgraphy (thus influencing ice flow).  I would have to consult paper-based sources to give further explanation of the difference between the two. --Aude (talk contribs) 18:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

text: As far as I know; an ice field is a contigous body of ice that covers less than 50 000 km², can not be classified as a single valley glacier and its topography is determined by shape of the sorrounding landsforms in contrasts an ice cap has its own forms that overides everything else much like an icesheet but smaller. Icefields and icecaps are two different things with dirent ice dynamics, topography and hydrology. Dentren | Talk 15:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Formal defintions are all fine and dandy if they work right; but in application the definitions you field don't coincide with specific toponymies - Juneau Icefield and Homathko Icefield are clearly icecaps by your definition; the Lillooet Icecap is more of an icefield by the definition you've provided, the ha-Iltzuk Icefield could maybe be taken as either; the Stikine Icecap does seem to be more of an icecap than icefield, at least.  I haven't applied the km2 definition here, only the verbal description....eyeballing that 50 000 km2 that's 500km x 100km, in which case neither the Stikine nor Kluane nor Lillooet Icecaps would fit under that definition, which seems only applicable to Greenland and Antarctica and, maybe, Ellesmere...maybe Baffin but I doubt it....Skookum1 (talk) 23:26, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ice field/Icefield and Ice cap|Icecap

message: One unexpected ice field is located in Yolyn Am, a mountain valley located in the northern end of the Gobi Desert.
It would appear to me, based on the description at the Yolyn Am article, that the ice feature in Yolyn Am isn't an ice field in the technical sense, since it "reaches several meters thick by the end of winter" (i.e., not thick enough for glacial flow) and since "in past years it remained year round, but the modern ice field tends to disappear by September." Sounds like a seasonal ice/snow patch to me. Figure it's safe to delete it? 206.208.105.129 (talk) 17:56, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yolyn Am 

message: The only large ice fields in continental Europe are in Norway (e.g., Dovre and Jotunheimen), but these are much smaller than their Canadian or Alaskan counterparts. There are a handful of small ice fields, also, in the southern Alps. Iceland also features a large ice field that covers a high percentage of the island.
This is inaccurate or misleading on several counts. First, the Dovrefjell region does have some glaciers, but they're pretty small glaciers and not closely enough packed to constitute a real ice field. The Jotunheimen does have contiguous enough glaciers that one might consider it to be an ice field, but it's not as large as some of the ice fields of the Alps. Norway DOES have larger bodies of ice, such as the Jostedalsbreen, but I'm not sure whether Jostedalsbreen (or the associated smaller glaciers around it) would count as an ice field--I believe it's more of an ice cap with valley glaciers radiating out from it. As for the Alps, I wonder why we stipulate "southern" Alps. The largest glacial complex in the Alps is probably the Aletsch-Jungfrau ice field; I tend to think of it as being pretty much smack dab in the center of the range. As for Iceland, its largest ice bodies are ice caps, not ice fields, and the very largest one covers 8% (hardly "a high percentage") of the island. 
Anyone care to propose an alternate wording?
206.208.105.129 (talk) 18:42, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Europe 

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