Talk:List of NFL tied games

message: Are there any sources of Game Summaries for these games? KyuuA4 19:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Links to Game Summaries

message: Yes, I have heard of this from other sources:
"McNabb later stated that he was not aware that a game could end in a tie."
But immediately-preceding sentence says he threw a desperation pass as the overtime period ended.  So when did he realize that a regular-season game could indeed end in a tie?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 18:29, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible that he thought an overtime game that finished the 15' scoreless went into another overtime, possibly with a coin flip to determine possession. Instead of risking losing possession on such a trivial thing, he went for it all as time expired. Achowat (talk) 19:45, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Another possibility is that the coaches, who probably knew the game could end in a tie, called for the Hail Mary and McNabb just ran the play he was told to run. 1995hoo (talk) 21:29, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nov. 16, 2008 tie game 

message: Why is this not "List of tied NFL games", for a grammar pedant's sake? And why is "NFL" abbreviated? That seems a bit ... casual, I guess. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 11:18, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no qualms about placing NFL in front of 'tied games'; as for the abbreviation of 'NFL', that tends to be pretty common. Aside from reducing the length of the title, there are plenty of other featured lists that use abbreviations, like the entirety of the National Basketball Association awards featured topic. Toa Nidhiki05 14:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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message: "NFL teams never play for ties; the sudden-death overtime system does not provide for an easy way to finish in a tie. Instead, ties are almost always the result of mishaps or mistakes from the teams involved."  This is, at least, poorly stated; and at best, inaccurate.
First of all, saying that teams "never" play for ties is false.  A team can play for a tie if, for example, they're substantially through overtime in the last week of the season, and a tie assures them a playoff spot, as discussed elsewhere on this page.
Secondly, "never" implies that there was never a historical reason to play for a tie.  This is untrue.  Back in the early days of the league, games which ended in ties didn't count in the standings.  AT ALL.  A team with a record of, say, 7-0, which then tied a game, continued to have a record of 7-0.  There was no such thing as a "7-0-1" record.  In the standings, it basically was listed as if the game had never happened.  So a team trying to maintain a "perfect" season and struggling in a close, low-scoring game, could play for the tie, as it didn't result in a blemish on their record.  This is why it is technically incorrect to say that the 1972 Dolphins are the only team to have finished their season with a perfect record.  Several teams accomplished "perfect" records back in the 20's and 30's, as defined by what was considered "perfect" at the time.  It wasn't until 1972, when the league decided to retroactively add those ties to those teams' records, and unfairly (in my opinion) strip those teams of those perfect records, just to make the Dolphins claim to be the first to have done it sound better for PR purposes.  This retroactive standings changing resulted in at least one case where the league champion--determined back then by regular season standings, there were no playoffs yet--was the team who had the best record at that time, but once the ties were added in several decades later, a different team was actually higher in the standings.  (They didn't change who was the champion though.)
Thirdly, saying that, "...ties are almost always the result of mishaps or mistakes from the teams involved." is patently ridiculous.  Ties can be the result simply of both teams' defenses getting stronger in the OT period.  They can be the result of wind/weather/field conditions.  They can be the result of all sorts of things.  They're not mishaps or mistakes; they're part of the game as it's currently defined.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.75.212.7 (talk) 17:03, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: "NFL teams never play for ties"???

message: AAFC
Season	No. of ties
1946  	4
1947  	4
1948  	0
1949  	2
AFL
Season	No. of ties
1960  	1
1961  	1
1962  	1
1963  	3
1964  	3
1965  	5
1966  	4
1967  	2
1968  	1
1969  	3
AFL tie games might be reasonable to add. AAFC games don't count towards NFL standings, though. Toa Nidhiki05 02:35, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tied games in AAFC and AFL 

message: Why does this article's title use the strange term "tied games," and why do portions of the text use that odd term, when even the very first sentence links the term "tied game" to an article called "Tie" that refers to "tie games"? I'm guessing most likely this is some semantical issue introduced by a soccer fan who uses the word "tie" in conjunction with two-game total-goals series or the like (in the sense of "two-legged tie"). 1995hoo (talk) 16:01, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
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message: The description for the Bengals-Eagles game that  insists on adding via edit war is far too long and has a lot of points that can be said about many ties.  The "notes" section is designated for what makes this tie stand out, not a basic summary of the game or the overtime period.  The appropriate place for such content is on 2020 Cincinnati Bengals season and 2020 Philadelphia Eagles season
# There is no need to explain they also tied in 2008. It may be useful to say this was the "second time in the OT era these teams tied/" as similar language is used for the three Packers-Vikings ties.
# No need to describe the offenses struggled in the overtime period.  This is a common theme in all OT ties since any touchdown ends the game.  Possibly a smaller description (i.e. "The Bengals and Eagles combined for just 45 yards of offense and six punts in the overtime period. " which was in place in 2020) will suffice.
# In many overtime games, the last play is a run or a kneeldown as a team is "content" playing for a tie (such as this case where the Bengals were at their own 11 yard line).  No reason to single this game out, as no other games describe such a final play. Frank Anchor 01:41, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Your first and second points, I'm ok with that. That last point is wrong. Taking the final play from each of the other 11 tie ball games from the last 20 seasons (using ESPN's play-by-play): Lions/Steelers this year: "J.Goff pass deep left to K.Raymond to 50 for 12 yards. Lateral to T.Benson to PIT 42 for 8 yards. Lateral to D.Swift pushed ob at PIT 40 for 2 yards", Cardinals/Lions tie 2019 "M.Stafford pass incomplete deep right." Packers/Vikings 2018: "D.Carlson 35 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-K.McDermott, Holder-M.Wile.", Steelers/Browns 2018 "B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short middle to J.Hunter", Redskins/Bengals 2016 "K.Cousins pass incomplete deep left to P.Garcon", Seahawks/Cardinals 2016 "C.Palmer pass incomplete deep right to L.Fitzgerald", Bengals/Panthers 2014 "M.Nugent 36 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-C.Harris, Holder-K.Huber.", Packers/Vikings 2013 "C.Ponder pass short left to C.Patterson to GB 45 for 21 yards", 2012 Rams/49ers "S.Bradford pass deep left to B.Gibson to SL 49 for 24 yards (C.Spillman). Caught at SL 49. 0-yds YAC", Bengals/Eagles 2008 "D.McNabb pass incomplete deep left to H.Baskett", 2002 Falcons/Steelers "Tommy Maddox (PIT) pass across the middle complete to Plaxico Burress (PIT) for 50 yards." Literally not a single instance of "a run or a kneeldown as a team is "content" playing for a tie". Literally every single tie other than the Bengals/Eagles last year, the team that had the ball last either attempted a game winning field goal and missed or they passed on the final play, in a couple instances they even tried laterals. A team giving up and accepting a tie is rare and there is your evidence of it.--Rockchalk717 04:30, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I guess I was mistaken.  Thank you for your in-depth analysis, which goes a lot better than my memory Frank Anchor 04:37, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem. I've got a weird memory, especially with football lol. I can tend to be a stereotypical guy when it comes to remembering random sports things but forgetting important things in my life and I knew that was something that is pretty rare. I also apologize for a getting a little worked up there. I have a bad habit of taking it too personally when someone disagrees with me on here and I'm trying to get better at it.--Rockchalk717 04:46, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bengals-Eagles 2020 

message: Should this be spun off into its own article? Right now it's not actually even fully comprehensive (it doesn't include ties from defunct NFL teams - which is a massive amount of ties!), but I think this could be noteworthy enough to have its own page. This would also allow AFL games to be separated, as they usually are for NFL statistics articles. Toa Nidhiki05 14:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: *I would support this.  It would remove some of the clutter of all the tables/charts on this page, and it could allow for more detail on the new page. Frank Anchor 15:38, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tied games per team