Talk:The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind

message: "Jaynes builds a case for this theory by citing evidence from many diverse sources including historical literature. For example, he asserts that, in The Iliad and sections of the Old Testament in The Bible that no mention is made of any kind of cognitive processes such as introspection and that there is no apparent indication that the writers were self-aware. He asserts that some later books of the Old Testament (such as Ecclesiastes) as well as later works such as The Odyssey show indications of a profoundly different kind of mentality which he believes is indicative of consciousness."
This is a bit confusing, since the Iliad and the Odyssey are both ascribed as written works to Homer, though they were epic poems before that... --Edward Wakelin 18:59, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Jaynes says ancient tho written voices were hallucinated. Yet he expects us to take His written voice as gospel. Why can't he just accept they wrote what they saw, tho not as eloquently as the far seeing Jaynes? Maybe His voice is hallucinated. WTF 174.233.16.56 (talk) 09:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't a forum, "tho". 85.31.131.59 (talk) 18:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Huh? Iliad/Odyssey

message: Please include under “see also” a link to The Master and His Emissary (2009) by Iain Mcgilchrist (it has a page already) 84.68.100.253 (talk) 23:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: * Pppery * it has begun... 00:48, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 4 February 2024 

message: In the section "Jaynes's theories", there is a passage in the article here "from language, and specifically from metaphor" [5].
The citation and meaning are correct, though the link behind the word "metaphor" hyperlinks to the Wikipedia article for "Metaphor" the Figure of Speech.  I suggest that it should link instead of the Wikipedia article for "Conceptual Metaphor" as this is the mechanism of thought which Jaynes refers to.
I am, however, only a beginner in the art of Wikipedia, so I would like the more experienced folks to consider or undertake this, please. Ross Bennett (talk) 20:57, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it seems you are right and I've made the requested edit. Skyerise (talk) 21:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very kindly! Ross Bennett (talk) 21:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  metaphor links to wrong article 

message: Please see: Talk:Julian Jaynes#It needs to be made clearer that his overall hypothesis is WP:FRINGE.
Please see also: Talk:Julian Jaynes#Move to The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind?
Summary: Aspects of his hypothesis having "inspired" some later research doesn't equate to his work being proven correct, and cognitive science and related displines descreasingly support it, most especially his central notion that consciousness only arose a few millennia ago.  Furthermore, it was proposed at that article to move it and reshape it into an article on the book, since the person is not notable for anything other than one book. Instead, someone has WP:CFORKed it, and this is not good. The bio mostly just repeats claims from the book article, and both are faulty articles, so we have double the maintenance burden.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  FRINGE, MERGE