Talk:History of the Macedonians (ethnic group)

message: I've removed some of the extreme nationalist POV that was in this article, associating Ancient Macedon with Ethnic (Slav) Macedonians and referring to Ethnic Macedonians as "Macedonians". Also moved the article to a proper title. Will be watching it since it appears very susceptible to POV pushing. --   Avg    00:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Extreme POV removed

message: This article should be about the ethnic Macedoians, not about peoples related to the region of Macedonia. It is written in great details about ancient Macedonians, Byzantines, Bulgarians, Serbians, Ottomans and Greeks but very little is said about ethnic Macedonians themselves (especially before the 20th century). This article needs a lot of editing.Scheludko (talk) 16:35, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely. The article does not state that the people of the Republic of Macedonia have direct ancient roots in the region, but it leaves the reader with that impression because of how it is written. How has it not been made clearer since 2008? I also notice that most sentences are not cited. Now why could that be? Come on guys, doesn't someone have time to edit this?67.193.231.109 (talk) 12:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of ethnic Macedonians or of the region of Macedonia? 

message: :the decisive point in the ethnogenesis of the Slavic group is the creation of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia after World War II This simply isn't true. It's universally accepted (with the notable exception of "academics" from Greece and Bulgaria) that the Macedonian identity was already in full swing in the decades before WW2 as evidenced by the great many nationalist groups and publications of the period (the Macedonian detachments of the Partisans among them). --101.112.154.94 (talk) 06:04, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not for shure. The claim above looks in many aspects plaussible, but your claims are obviously controversial. Look below:
*"Most of the Slavophone inhabitants in all parts of divided Macedonia, perhaps a million and a half in all – had a Bulgarian national consciousness at the beginning of the Occupation; and most Bulgarians, whether they supported the Communists, VMRO, or the collaborating government, assumed that all Macedonia would fall to Bulgaria after the WWII. Tito was determined that this should not happen." - "The struggle for Greece, 1941-1949, Christopher Montague Woodhouse, C. Hurst & Co. Publishers, 2002, , p. 67. 
*"The question as of whether a Macedonian nation actually existed in the 1940s when a Communist Yugoslavia decided to recognize one is difficult to answer. Some observers argue that even at this time it was doubtful whether the Slavs from Macedonia considered themselves to be a nationality separate from the Bulgarians." - "The Macedonian conflict: ethnic nationalism in a transnational world", Loring M. Danforth, Princeton University Press, 1997, , pp. 65-66.
* "The key fact about Macedonian nationalism is that it is new... While Bulgarian was most common affiliation then, mistreatment by occupying Bulgarian troops during WWII, cured most Macedonians from their pro-Bulgarian sympathies, leaving them embracing the new Macedonian identity promoted by the Tito regime after the war." - Kaufman, Stuart J. (2001). Modern hatreds: the symbolic politics of ethnic war. New York: Cornell University Press. p. 193. .
*PS. As per "academics" from Greece and Bulgaria. Incidentally, some Bulgarian and Greek scholars who write on the Macedonian question have been well accepted and their works are published by academic publishers worldwide. On the other hand, so far I have not seen any publication of Macedonian researcher with historical subjects to be welcomed by the international scientific community. On a contrary.  Jingiby (talk) 11:30, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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