Talk:List of prime ministers of Elizabeth II

message: Shouldn't UK territories also be included???? Chief Ministers/Premiers etc? CaribDigita 14:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, why not. We might have to change the title to heads of government of Queen Elizabeth II, then, though. —Nightstallion (?) 02:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
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message: Why do the numbered listed use the format 'since Data' while the tables use 'Date - Present'. Is there a wiki policy that I am forgetting about or does any one mind if I standardise (probably to the ‘Date – Present’ format unless anyone can tell me why the other one is better but I look around for a style guide before I change anything). --Elfwood (talk) 16:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Style On Dates

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I Thin we should renamed the wikipedia page to  List of Prime Ministers under Queen Elizabeth II  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.188.102.28 (talk) 07:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Hi, that is one suggestion.   What about a more 'position/title' neutral name such as: List of heads of government under Queen Elizabeth II?  The current name is only suggesting "Prime Ministers", however, there are also: Chief Minister(s), Premier(s), and Crown Commissioner(s) of Queen Elizabeth in the British Overseas Territories and remaining Crown Dependencies.  CaribDigita (talk) 12:02, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Prime Ministers under Queen Elizabeth II  

message: It is generally the accepted practice within the Commonwealth when listing Prime Ministers, etc., to include their titles bestowed by a British monarch during that Prime Minister's time in office. Titles they recieved from the monarch after they left office are usually not included in a list like this. For example, Sir Robert Menzies, Sir Keith Holyoake, Sir Robert Muldoon, Sir Alexander Bustamante, Sir Lynden Pindling, Sir Michael Somare, Sir Julius Chan, Sir John Lionel Kotalawela, Sir Khwaja Nazimuddin, Sir Vere Bird, etc., were all knighted at some point while they were still in office, or, indeed, had been knighted before they assumed office. Thus, in these cases, their title should be included with their name in this list.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.237.35 (talk) 10:16, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not in the Commonwealth. The relevant information regarding this is at WP:HONORIFIC. 2 lines of K303 17:42, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

text: In Caribbean realms it is a part of the person's name for life. Source CaribDigita (talk) 03:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think Wikipedia is not in those realms either.  Winged Watermelon (don't text and fly) 03:47, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Titles

message: Shouldn't this be entitled "Prime Ministers of states for which Elizabeth II is no longer sovereign" (or something more snappy) - as at least some of these countries are still in the Commonwealth but have moved to presidential/other systems. LukeSurl t c 14:35, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I confuse "realm" with "nation". LukeSurl t c 14:37, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prime Ministers of former Commonwealth realms 

message: It seems coup leader Maurice Bishop is excluded from Grenada's numbering. Is this correct? It seems from People's Revolutionary Government (Grenada) that the country remained a commonwealth realm during the time of Bishop's leadership. The Grenada government seems to discuss Bishop as an official PM  and governor-general Paul Scoon's term of office is unbroken despite the revolution  --LukeSurl t c 13:12, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maurice Bishop 

message: I will remove the sentence "With the appointment of Theresa May as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom on 13th July 2016, the Queen has had 162 individuals serve her as Prime Ministers of her various realms throughout her reign." I don't believe it belongs on the page for the following reasons:
*The number is not attributed to a source.
*Several "acting Prime Ministers" have served Elizabeth and it is somewhat ambiguous whether you count them.
*The period 1979-1984 in Grenada (People's Revolutionary Government and aftermath) adds a big ambiguity. Do you count Maurice Bishop who seized power outside of the democratic process? How about the other de facto and de jure leaders that followed Bishop during this period?
--LukeSurl t c 22:23, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tally of Prime Ministers 

message: Is there any reason to capitalise Prime Ministers? If not this page should be moved to List of prime ministers of Queen Elizabeth II. --LukeSurl t c 10:50, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: Shouldn't the Prime ministers of the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland or Southern Rhodesia be included in this list? There are images of Sir Godfrey Huggins and Sir Roy Welensky attending the Commonwealth Prime Ministers Conference with the Queen. If the Federation was still a commonwealth realm, doesn't it need to be inculded here?  Gurumoorthy Poochandhai  07:12, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland 

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message: Why have the columns been combined without any prior consensus? The other pages that list the prime ministers of monarchs don't do this. Khronicle I (talk) 14:05, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: 3rd party here. It's in keeping with Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle that such a bold change is OK, but it's also OK to revert it if you disagree. --LukeSurl t c 16:02, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Okey dokes, thanks for the response. I'm going to revert the changes on the basis of how other politician lists are usually formatted, and that the previous version was neater and easier to read. Khronicle I (talk) 18:57, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree with you. Personally, the modification of the columns was a big mistake. Not only is it incompatible with the other pages of the PMs of monarchs, but it is very much an eyesore to look at. Addng my view just in case someone else doesn't support this. Thanks for reverting. Kirill.alx (talk) 08:32, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Columns  

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message: Now that she has died, the distinction between former and current realms is less acute. Rather than updating if realms stop having Charles III as King, or freezing this in place with an awkward renaming of the title, I suggest merging the two lists of countries. --LukeSurl t c 19:26, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of reign 

message: You would expect periods listed as the date from which a given PM served Her Majesty, until the date that PM ceased to serve Her Majesty.
For instance, take Eric Williams, PM of Trinidad & Tobago. For this article the fact he remained PM after 1 August 1976 is less relevant. The relevant time period is 31 August 1962 to 1 August 1976.
For Winston Churchill, likewise. The relevant period is 6 February 1952 to 5 April 1955. Don't make me have to work to find that out, and don't primarily present the period 26 October 1951 - 5 April 1955.
That period is "time in office as PM". This article is about "time serving the Queen".
The period 26 October 1951 - 5 April 1955 is relevant for an article such as, say, Winston Churchill. This article, however, is List of prime ministers of Elizabeth II.
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thread_title:  Weird style of listing  

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message: Certain cases of acting PMs are listed, but a great many are not. Whenever a PM goes on holiday, there's usually a person designated to act in their place. Their title during such a period is "acting prime minister" in addition to whatever other portfolios they may be holding.
What's the criterion for listing some cases but not others? --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:41, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The acting prime ministers listed are those persons who executed the functions of those offices when the office of Prime Minister in that country was vacant due to death or resignation. This is functionally different from deputising during an absence. These persons weren't "Prime Ministers of Elizabeth II" and they were not appointed by the Queen or her governers. However omitting them would create obvious gaps in the listings and the tables are better with their (un-numbered) inclusion. --LukeSurl t c 13:51, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Acting prime ministers