Talk:Lecrae

message: This article concerning LeCrae has been cited as not having been referenced. I am not sure if someone has recently explored this article, but there are clearly references used in this article.  In light of the fact that it is already sourced, I believe that the status of the article should be changed.   Drean20 22:06, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah i agree Joooeeeelllll 19:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Didn't he do the song "Keep Changing the World" with the band Mikeschair?  I couldn't find any mention of that song in this article...184.95.85.7 (talk) 19:48, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other work 

message: I am responding to a recent change to LeCrae's Wikipedia page. I would propose that according to Wikipedia standards, birthdates are qualified as personal information that should not be posted on Wikipedia . Although birthdates are public information that can be acquired through search agencies and government documents, that still does not make it approved Wikipedia material. I have already notified Wiki admin about the information and requested that it be removed.
I have yet to find any other site that displays LeCrae's birthdate, other than Wikipedia and those sites that directly pull and quote from Wikipedia; before this was posted on Wikipedia back in October, it was not searchable on the internet. If you do find a source that is reliable, please notify me.
I hope you would understand, being involved in the music industry yourself, why someone like LeCrae Moore would not want this kind of information so easily accessible (all it takes is typing his name into Google).
Thanks man,
Bryan116 (talk) 22:18, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it's not referenced it seems OK to remove it. If a reliable source is found, the date, along with the source, should be added here. There's no need to run the information past an editor first. I find it odd that you would create an account specifically to do this though. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:36, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is this link that implies is on or just before October 9, but year is not provided. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:39, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: THAT'S what I was thinking of, I knew there was some type of public announcement last year. Actually, the general timeframe can be calculated: His first album came out when he was 25, and we know his birthday is on or just before October 9 (I think that this can be confirmed). From that, the year can be extrapolated. This is perfectly acceptable under WP:CALC.--¿3family6 contribs 00:08, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Confirmed October 9: The DaSouth posting is from the Reach Records Youtube video from the Rehab Tour. That part was easy, the video is a top result on Google. The tricky part is whether the video was posted the day of, or a few days later. But, Charlotte, NC, is listed on the Reach Records website as occurring on October 9.--¿3family6 contribs 13:48, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Isn't the discussion immediately above? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is based on the supposition that the info Lecrae's birthdate is not public. Considering that there is an instance at a Lecrae concert where his tour-mates threw a surprise birthday celebration on stage, I would think this would mean that his birthdate is public knowledge. For the record, I am not opposed to keeping Lecrae's birthdate off the wiki article. But the info is public knowledge. The month and day were revealed at the concert, the year has been indirectly revealed by some biographies of Lecrae.--¿3family6 contribs 01:07, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  The editor who made the request has not been active since July and that only after a short editing spree. If we could confirm that this is the subject's wish and not a random editor, it would be easier to confirm. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

text: I think this means that it is okay to put in Lecrae's birthday: Dated October 9, 2012. "Christian hip-hop artist Lecrae is 33."--¿3family6 contribs 23:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  LeCrae's birthdate 

message: The birthdate for Lecrae was recently changed by an IP editor, and then was removed by another editor do to privacy concerns. The editor who removed the date, Walter Görlitz, has stated that they recall a request not to include the birthdate over concerns of identity theft. Can this request be confirmed?--¿3family6 contribs 22:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't the discussion immediately above? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is based on the supposition that the info Lecrae's birthdate is not public. Considering that there is an instance at a Lecrae concert where his tour-mates threw a surprise birthday celebration on stage, I would think this would mean that his birthdate is public knowledge. For the record, I am not opposed to keeping Lecrae's birthdate off the wiki article. But the info is public knowledge. The month and day were revealed at the concert, the year has been indirectly revealed by some biographies of Lecrae.--¿3family6 contribs 01:07, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  The editor who made the request has not been active since July and that only after a short editing spree. If we could confirm that this is the subject's wish and not a random editor, it would be easier to confirm. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:23, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

text: I think this means that it is okay to put in Lecrae's birthday: Dated October 9, 2012. "Christian hip-hop artist Lecrae is 33."--¿3family6 contribs 23:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Privacy concerns

message: I have a question about the origin part of the Infobox. I'm fine with Atlanta, but I've seen a lot of sources say that he comes from Texas. Should we maybe simplify it to the US, and maybe elaborate in the article?--¿3family6 contribs 12:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Without a reference, that makes the most sense. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I could provide plenty of references for both, but I figured that it's pretty easy to back up through a simple Google Search. I'll go ahead and make the change.--¿3family6 contribs 15:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Okay, in all the buzz Lecrae has been getting the past few days, the one place they all mention is Houston. So I'm guessing that's the one that is definitive. Since he was born there, the origin parameter can be ignored.--¿3family6 contribs 02:35, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: If anyone is interested, I'm creating an article on the upcoming Gravity album. Feel free to play around if you want.--¿3family6 contribs 00:51, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lecrae - Gravity 

message: Add Ashthon Jones and Mathai to Associated Acts, please! Thanks!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.81.68 (talk) 23:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: So far, Lecrae has only collaborated with each of these artists once. If more collabs occur, then these acts can be added. But single-instance, one-time collabs are not enough to qualify for a listing.--¿3family6 contribs 00:36, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

text: A single song does not qualify. See :template:Infobox musical artist. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associated Acts 

message: ;Residence
Does Lecrae not live in Memphis? Not only does he mention something of the sort in his song 'Sacrifice', he also works with Heat Academy, one of his top producers of the moment for both Church Clothes volume 1, it's follow up and Gravity. 
Heat Academy lives in Memphis so that significantly would be the reason why Lecrae works with in. He only works in Atlanta, as the Reach Records offices are there. 
Please consider changing this information with use of the following references:
* Exclusive Interview With Gospel Superstar Lecrae | Praise Houston
* Lecrae Breaks Down New Man Up Film | HipHopDX
* http://www.newreleasetuesday.com/artistdetail.php?artist_id=354
::He lives in Atlanta, see these sources:
* How would Lecrae celebrate a Grammy win?
* Atlanta rapper Lecrae ready to share his message of hope
* Gospel artists flock to Atlanta to advance career Note that this one quotes Lecrae directly: [On Bubba Watson:] "We hang out from time to time, and he comes to Atlanta, where I live, and I go out to Phoenix, where he lives. "
* Athletes turn to Lecrae for rap inspiration
::The New Release Tuesday bio is outdated and unreliable (not written by staff member). The Praise Houston source is reliable, but the blurb at the bottom of the article is outdated.--¿3family6 contribs 22:33, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Alright, after researching a few more sources, I found that you are correct. Lecrae first lived in Memphis, after moving there from Houston and then relocated to Atlanta, where his lived for the past three-four years. This is from an interview he done last year with Family Christian. Thanks for your response.
Source: http://www.familychristian.com/blog/pulling-no-punches-an-interview-with-lecrae -- Realmixwell (talk) 13:19, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This info would go in the 116 Clique article. If you have reliable, secondary sources, please add to that article.--¿3family6 contribs 22:33, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, all of these sources are directly affiliated with the subjects. Third-party coverage is needed to demonstrate notability.--¿3family6 contribs 22:33, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

text: You're welcome for the suggestions, see my comments which I annotated into your post.--¿3family6 contribs 22:33, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Noted. Thanks for your response. -- Realmixwell (talk) 13:19, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Residence, Movement & Tours 

message: It seems that "Christian hip hop" may not sufficiently describe the subject's genres. Looking at his primary discography I see the following genres:
# Christian Hip Hop, gangsta rap, hardcore hip hop
# Christian hip hop, southern hip hop
# Christian hip hop, dirty south, gangsta rap
# Christian hip hop, southern hip hop
# Christian hip hop
# Christian hip hop, reggae, soul
# Christian hip hop, conscious hip hop
The one constant is Christian hip hop, which is already listed. He has two southern hip hop, which reflect his earlier works. The remainder are only listed once. We would really need more sources on the two that  has been adding: southern hip hop and conscious hip hop. Particularly with the latter, we shouldn't focus on recent genres to the detriment of the subject's entire career. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:51, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've thought about this for over a year now. Because Lecrae's style has change over the course of his career, and he's experimented more with different sounds, I'd say it's difficult to get any more specific than "Christian hip hop" to define his music. And I don't see any real need to be more specific - the infobox is supposed to be very general. With artists like Beautiful Eulogy, it can be very hard to simplify their style within a particular label, and thus the infobox might list more styles than it normally would.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:05, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with you. Pretty much every big artist has experimented with different genres over the years. --Mr. Guye (talk) 20:27, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

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thread_title:  GA review 

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message: This is getting ridiculous. :Zaytoven does not meet the criteria of an associated act as he worked on one album and per :Template:Infobox musical artist#associated acts, "this field is for professional relationships with other musicians or bands that are significant and notable to this artist's career." They worked on one album to date: :Let the Trap Say Amen. It did not chart high on the Billboard 200 (No. 49) and no songs charted as singles. There is no significant association between the two and it's definitely not notable to either artist's career. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:25, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: "Acts with which this act has collaborated on multiple occasions, or on an album, or toured with as a single collaboration act playing together" Or on an album being the key part in that. Also, to say that just because it didn't chart high doesn't mean anything, I don't think means it means nothing. Especially given that Lecrae rarely charts well by the standards given. Under uses of the field that should be avoided, the only thing it lists is "one-time collaboration for a single song". But it was a whole album. With Zaytovens name clearly attached. Additionally, since this is just in relation to Lecrae's article, not Zaytoven's, I think it's a notable collaboration for Lecrae. It may not be for Zaytoven, sure, but this is not his page. JustChillNJ (talk) 01:48, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's neither significant nor notable. It's just a collaboration. The "should be avoided" section elaborates what is neither significant nor notable, I'm stating that their work on one album is also an instance of this. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:12, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Or perhaps, more to the point, how exactly it's this collaboration both significant and notable to Lecrae's career? Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:20, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not so much that it's work on one album, but that the work on one album was the whole album. It would be like if Run The Jewels didn't exist, but Killer Mike came out with an album that was produced entirely by El-P, and then that album was labeled as Killer Mike x El-P. You could no longer say El-P was not a notable associate act. That said, I also notice that the Associated Act page for Lecrae leaves out MANY notable associate acts, such as Tedashii and Trip Lee (who have features on most Lecrae albums), Andy Mineo who has also been featured/had Lecrae featured. some of these may not necessarily be notable to the world, but they're notable in the sense that when someone thinks "Lecrae" they also think of that album he did one time with Zaytoven, or the artists such as Trip Lee and Tedashii that he's worked with many many times. But that's getting outside the current scope. I think my point here is that it's an album that literally has Zaytoven's name across the front of it. JustChillNJ (talk) 02:47, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look, you've clearly missed the point of what constitutes an associated act, and you've failed to explain how this collaboration is both significant and notable to Lecrae's career. Just because they're both notable does not mean that a single work (which is how it used to be phrased) creates an association. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:37, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm following how associated act is used on most musician pages. I'm also showing you exactly how it's notable, based on the very same template you referenced. "or on an album". It's not that this is just "oh can you do one or two songs" it's legitimately that the whole album is both of them. On the front cover it's "Lecrae x Zaytoven". Now it may not be overall notable to Zaytovens career (whose page by the way, includes Usher under notable acts, where there is quite literally the same situation), but it's notable to Lecrae's career, in the same way that even if there was only one Church Clothes, having Don Cannon as notable would make sense. It's notable that he had an album with Don Cannon. It's also notable he had 3 albums with Don Cannon. It's notable he has an album with Zaytoven. Not an album with one song by Zaytoven, but every single song. Additionally, as you well know, there are no "rules" to wikipedia, only what is widely accepted as a general consensus. Look at Kanye West 's associated acts, follow the rabbit trail there, clicking through and seeing how Associated Acts are used. Look at how much artists have worked together. It's probably not much. It's still notable. It's still associated in the sense that they've done more than one song. (I'll be the first to tell you that putting Ty Dolla Sign or Wocka Flocka Flame as an associated act for Lecrae would be foolish. It's easy to assume that because I am a new editor, i'm new to Wikipedia, but I've used it enough to know patterns. To know traditionally, most times, with artists, how associated acts has been used. I also know the Christian Hip Hop scene well. I'm not saying you don't, but I'm saying that it was incredibly notable when it was announced that Lecrae was doing an album with Zaytoven. JustChillNJ (talk) 15:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, you're not showing me how in most mentions after the album, they have a detailed paragraph of how this album changed Lecrae's career. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:58, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associations 

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message: Lecrae (cropped).jpg
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Lecrae holding microphone during performance.jpg
Lecrae in a recording studio (cropped).jpg
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Lecrae sitting in a recording studio.jpg
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 for the infobox, I generally prefer an image that clearly shows the face of a person. I think :File:Lecrae (cropped).jpg is more suitable for the infobox than :File:Lecrae (screenshot).png. But if that's just me, I won't revert. Perhaps other editors could weigh in? - Alexis Jazz 20:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll let other decide here.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 20:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I haven't been following which images are being fought over, but I prefer an image that clearly shows the subject doing what they are notable for. Of that is not possible, a headshot is the next best option. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:31, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  we're not really fighting. See thumbnails. All else being equal I agree with you, but the image on which he's performing shows his face far less clear because of the lighting. And infobox images preferably have a portrait orientation. (as opposed to landscape) - Alexis Jazz 12:44, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. His face isn't that obscured and it's a better representation of him as a singer, but there are :MOS:IMAGELOC issues with him facing to the reader's right. All things being equal, the neutral portrait is probably better here. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:45, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't aware of IMAGELOC, that's very helpful. I could do a different screengrab from the same source video that would be a profile shot of Lecrae while recording, but 1) he's facing to the right again and 2) it's more of a profile shot than straight-on, which isn't a useful for identification.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 22:47, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

text: I'm not too sure about the copyright status of that image. I have several concerns with that file, I wouldn't recommend it. - Alexis Jazz 15:10, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have concerns about that file, you should bring those up immediately.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:19, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can't. - Alexis Jazz 19:49, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

text: Unless you meant bringing them up here. My concern is that the file was uploaded by "Reach Records Management" and there is no OTRS permission or verification that "Reach Records Management" is actually an account of the record label. - Alexis Jazz 19:51, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

text: I would lodge that question at Wikimedia Commons.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 20:14, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

text: I was surprised to find that the video 3family6 took a screenshot from is actually 4K. 3family6, try VLC's snapshot feature next time. I just uploaded two new files. (see thumbnails) - Alexis Jazz 11:46, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I like the photo of him recording, just is very dark lighting and thus difficult to see. Thanks for the tip about VLC.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 14:43, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed. I tried making it lighter, but there's no way in this case. So I guess it's between :File:Lecrae holding microphone during performance.jpg (which is a sharper version of :File:Lecrae (screenshot).png) and :File:Lecrae (cropped).jpg. - Alexis Jazz 15:36, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: One more to make your choices more difficult.  - Alexis Jazz 15:53, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That one is right-facing and the close-up gets into uncanny valley.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:24, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree with the uncanny valley remark, but it may be too close for the infobox. It's right-facing indeed, but subjectively feels less right-facing than :File:Lecrae holding microphone during performance.jpg. I've added a left-facing screenshot as I like offering choice, but I don't know if it'll be any better. - Alexis Jazz 18:19, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  The "sitting in the recording studio" image isn't that good as he's looking down, drawing the viewer's attention away. The "in the recording studio" image is probably my preferred "action" photo, but I really liked the copy vio image that was removed the best. The portrait image (the first) might still be the most clear overall, but I'll let you two hash it out. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added one more "sitting in the recording studio" screenshot where he isn't looking down as much. Sadly it's not as sharp as the first one.  I personally don't prefer the current infobox image. I also don't prefer :File:Lecrae in a recording studio (cropped).jpg as it's too dark. (you agreed on that) Either of the remaining four would be alright with me. If you highly prefer the current image, at least swap it out for the sharper version please. - Alexis Jazz 13:09, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: My preferred image is the one second from right, where he's in the studio.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: File:Lecrae sitting in a recording studio.jpg it is! - Alexis Jazz 19:52, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
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