Talk:John G. West

message: *Defusing The Religion Issue: Taking John West to task for distorting the positions of Scott and Miller HrafnTalkStalk 03:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources that might be relevant later 

message: Currently there are WP:RS from scholars. Reviews, which intend to promote the book on a commerical website like amazon have no business as a reference. Only source material from WP:RS, not commerical promotions. We66er (talk) 22:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Darwin Day

message: #This quote clearly verifies the above statement. 
#It is clearly attributed as Borrello's opinion.
#Unlike West Borrello is a historian of science, so it is legitimate to give WP:DUE weight to his expert opinion.
#Because of 2 & 3, no NPOV concerns apply.
Therefore I'm removing the "disputed" tag. HrafnTalkStalk 04:50, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. We66er (talk) 22:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Borrello further states that this popular support for eugenics was matched with popular opposition to teaching evolution." 

message: 1 line to expose West's opinion and 5 for the criticism; I think that this is a record for WP.--79.56.178.172 (talk) 12:19, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SECONDARY & WP:DUE. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 13:06, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Given that West's main claim to fame is having written a book that tries to link eugenics to evolution, it would seem difficult to give some understanding of his claims without dealing with that topic -- any more than one could explain Einstein without talking about relativity. If you can suggest other reliable WP:SECONDARY sources that round out our understanding of West, you're welcome to suggest them. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 06:49, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  that's my problem: in reading the article I can't understand if West links "Darwin to the eugenics movement", or as you writes in the comment "eugenics to evolution" or as I read in the Chapman's article West talked about "Darwinism's fathership of eugenics".. In reading Borrello's article I have to suppose that West talked mainly about "evolutionary biologists (who acted) in the name of Darwinian natural selection".. --79.23.181.45 (talk) 07:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that creationists like West and Chapman use 'Darwin' and/or 'Darwinism' pretty much interchangeably for 'evolution' and/or 'evolutionary biology', it would appear to be a point without either meaning or means of clarification. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 08:28, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  "interchangeably"? well if I change in the article "Darwin" with "Darwinism" do you have anything against?--Domics (talk) 10:09, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I said that creationists did -- not that I do or that Wikipedia does. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 13:17, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Creationists of course did; this article is about West. West is a creationist; so the sentence "West presents his case for linking Darwin to the eugenics movement" could be changed in "West presents his case for linking Darwinism to the eugenics movement."--Domics (talk) 09:45, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: given the use of "Darwin" (as opposed to "Darwinism") in the title of both the book and the precursor essay Darwin's Public Policy: Eugenics, Democracy, and the Dangers of Scientific Utopianism, the sentence would not appear inaccurate. But I'm really not that worried about parsing Creationist rhetoric that finely -- so I would probably not object to a change. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 10:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  funny! 

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