Talk:Lee Kuan Yew/Archive 1

message: It should be noted that Lee is a strong supporter of eugenics.
Why? ωhkoh [Т] 06:03, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
He's considered a strong supporter of eugenics because of his policy of encouraging female university graduate students to marry and have children as opposed to the lower income class.  The following are 2 quotes by Lee which illuminate his stance on eugenics. However, I don't know if they have been taken out of context, but it's worth noting that Stephen Jay Gould in his book The Mismeasure of Man criticised Lee's policy of encouraging marriages specifically among female university graduate students.
*If you don't include your women graduates in your breeding pool and leave them on the shelf, you would end up a more stupid society...So what happens? There will be less bright people to support dumb people in the next generation. That's a problem. -Lee Kuan Yew in 1983 National Day Rally
*We must encourage those who earn less than $200 per month and cannot afford to nurture and educate many children never to have more than two... We will regret the time lost if we do not now take the first tentative steps towards correcting a trend which can leave our society with a large number of the physically, intellecually and culturally anaemic. -Lee Kuan Yew in 1967.
Ethereal 10:36, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please sign when you post in future.  Do it by adding ~~~~ after your message.  That will post your user name and date of post.  More to the topic, if Lee was more of an environmentalist than a hereditarian, then why should he be more concerned with encouraging the more intellectually-minded social classes to marry and have children rather than helping out those who are disadvantaged?  It's difficult to qualify a practice as eugenic in nature rather than social engineering because of the vagueness of definitions involved.  Social engineering encompasses eugenics, in any case, so the two are not mutually exclusive. Ethereal 15:22, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eugenics? 

message: *"Many Allied Soldiers and fellow Singaporeans were killed because of his war time work with the Japanese Military".
This seems to me more of an opinion than a fact. Source?
*"thus became the most prominent traitor of Singapore at that moment"
Source? Seems more like an opinion since I don't think opinion polls were taken during WW2.
*"He is widely respected and feared but hated by the people of Singapore,"
Hated? Source? I stongly dispute the accuracy of this statement. Personally, I don't know of anyone who "hates" him. And I lived in Singapore for 18 years. 
*"who he rules roughshod with an iron fist, with fines and imprisonment for any minor travesty."
"roughshod" and "travesty" are not neutal language. Maybe "who he rules with an iron fist. Singapore is known for its numerous fines and imprisonment for minor crimes."
*"He has often claimed, though unjustified, the credited as the architect of its prosperity"
"though unjustified" is an opinion. Whether true or not, sentence also does not make sense grammatically. I suggest "He is often credited as the architect of its prosperity. However, others like his Deputy Prime Minister, an economist, Dr. Goh Keng Swee, also played a significant role in the economy."
*The "Personal life and family" section reads more like an accusation of nepotism. This should be an article about Lee's *personal life and family*. This looks familar though. I've seen it on anti-PAP websites :-).
This article is heavy on criticims and opinions and lacking on facts about "Lee Kuan Yew". Having read Wiki's NPOV policy, I think this article fails on "Fairness and sympathetic tone", amongst other things. I'm new to editing Wiki articles so I'm open to ideas.
--Leonard Wee, Auckland 03:01, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Issues with NPOV

message: Here is the quote by LKY saying he preferred to be feared rather than loved:
*"Between being loved and being feared, I have always believed Machiavelli was right. If nobody is afraid of me, I’m meaningless." (Lee Kuan Yew, 1998, The Singapore Story) Ethereal 15:02, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This reveals to us the real character of Mr. Lee. Hitler and Napoleon also loved Machiavelli and the similiarities are chilling. I wonder how Mr. Lee will be remembered when he is no longer on planet Earth. He may be an outstanding politician but he is definitely no Mahatma Gandhi. What about the teachings of 'loving your enemies' and 'blessing those you curse you'? --Siva1979Talk to me 19:48, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote by Lee Kuan Yew

message: I can't believe it. In local history books and as evidenced from this website, Goh became PM on November 28, not 26. The same applies to Lee Kuan Yew.
Tan 12:25, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  November 26? 

message: What was meant by "was throughly absorbed with the British lifestyle"?  It needs to be edited, but I'm not sure what the author meant by it. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 10:57, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  phrase 

message: "... and unlimited credit accounts at John Little’s and Robinsons. " 
Did they had credit accounts at that time? What is the source for this? -- Vsion 06:11, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  credit accounts 

message: ::khaosworks has it right here.  I'm still waiting to hear from my colleague.  The world doesn't revolve around Wikipedia, and a wait of a few days won't hurt anyone.  I've had to wait much longer than this when I've e-mailed people for information. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 11:03, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  By Mel Etitis 

message: The latest additions have introduced so much poor English into the article that it needs a thorough overhaul; I'll do it when I can, but I've placed the "copyedit" tag to alert memners of the copy-editing team (in case they can find time before me). Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 09:23, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You've succeeded only in adding more mistakes. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 12:52, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm afraid that I've long come to the conclusion that you're unteachable.  However, I've copy-edited the article.  There may be more to be done; I didn't have time to do a thorough job. Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 17:10, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit 

message: This article already has a size of 34kb, and it is already considered a very informative article, thus having the potential to become a featured article. 
If anybody wish, I would be happy to work with him/her to make Lee Kuan Yew as the first Singapore-related featured article, but more information and some copyediting is needed first.
People who are interested may list their names below to be a participant of working on Lee Kuan Yew.
Thanks.
Mr Tan 12:11, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a chance; the article has to be stable... Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 10:36, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Become a Featured Article candidate? 

message: I have found several spelling mistakes and have corrected them, such as Administration not adminstration. Some sentences were also reconstructed. --Tohlz 18:59, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Several spelling mistakes and sentence phrasing 

message: I've just noticed the edit war, with various editors defending the article against an anon vandal.  I've protected the article for the moment, in the hope that whoever it is will go away. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 18:26, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt they will. It's not just this article; they create articles with spurious attack names that redirect or duplicate the edits they make here, or vandalise other articles by substituting the same edits. They've been doing this for quite some time now, and they vandalise the user pages of those that block them. I'm actually toying with the idea of range blocking the entire iPrimus Australian ISP and/or informing the ISP to see if that gets anybody's attention. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:18, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see.  It's amazing how many sad little people with no lives there are.  I suppose that we should feel sympathy for them, but it's difficult when they're being so irritating and destructive.  You might raise it at AN to get some advice about the best course. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 09:52, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

text: If so, then finding a job for one's mother would be materialism. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 18:14, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

text: When will this article be unlocked?  Is it safe now? Mandel 20:07, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've unprotected it, to test the waters. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 11:20, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: This article needs references (see WP:CITE) to back it up, or else it will fail dreadfully in peer review and FAC. LKY's autobigoraphy would be a good start. Johnleemk | Talk 15:05, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: The book Who's Whi in Singapore talks about notable people in Singapore. Like his brothers Freedy, Dennis, Lee's name is stated as Lee Kuan Yew, Harry and not Lee Kuan Yew alone, just like his brother Lee Kim Yew, Dennis. It is thus justified that his name Harry is not merely a nickname, although he never use it in official settings. I hope that the edit on his name Harry is his official name can be allowed the green light, or please state your objections otherwise. Thanks. Mr Tan 12:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is the publisher of that book?--Huaiwei 17:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I don't usually go to the libraries. Maybe I will try the library at Victoria Street, since it has a 7 storey reference library. --Terence Ong Talk 11:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Harry" is an official name, but Lee Kuan Yew was (and still is) very anti-British and refused to use his English name (although his father is pro-British). This can be seen from his biography. That is also the reason why Lee Hsien Loong and Co. don't have English names. --Terrancommander 16:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harry is official name 

message: This article has only be edited for vandalism or reverting it. Should we semi protect the page to ban anons and new users from editing, like what its done to the George W Bush article. --Terence Ong Talk 11:39, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Semi-protection is only for serious vandalism and is temporary in nature. The vandalism level here appears to be quite manageable to me. Dubya, on the other hand, has about 70% of all edits made to it consisting of either vandalism or reversion of vandalism. Johnleemk | Talk 03:14, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protect? 

message: The article is not too bad now, but we really need to improve this article. More information, about career, pre self government and the early years. This should be on the Singapore COTF. A good one to improve, since its FAC worthy. --Terence Ong 10:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I will support the COTF and contribute. We could use Tony Blair or some other politicians FA articles as guides on how to organize this article. --Vsion 20:10, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvements