Talk:Dakuten and handakuten

message: I've never encountered the mnemonic device method.  I'm a non-native speaker, and s->z; t->d; h->b,p;k->g always just seemed like the most logical progressions.  Maybe the article should say something along the lines of "some non-native speakers..."
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.61.47.31 (talk • contribs) .
:Agreed. The progression from unvoiced to voiced is a logical linquistic change. This mnemonic device business seems uncommon or specific to a particular method. Is this a documented tool? I'd like to see something about this from a relavent source before I pull it as it doesn't seem useful within the context of the article, but I'd like to have some sort of check before I go deleting things. LemonSmints 03:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thirded. When I saw it I just thought to myself "now, some people really are dumb, aren't they", but seeing your comments I think it should be pasted somewhere over in :b:Japanese or deleted altogether, because the conversions are logical (except h --> b, but you can remember that). Lysis rationale (talk) 17:07, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the section in question since no one's been around to provide a reason to keep it.  Also, Wikipedia is not a how-to or textbook, so there shouldn't be a section featuring obscure memory tips anyway.  On a personal note, I also don't see how going from unvoiced to voiced is so hard to figure out.  Even before I took linguistics courses it just kind of made sense somehow. ～藍子talk contrib 13:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mnemonic device 

message: When kanji are placed together to form a word, certain sounds make the following character begin with a dakuon. Should there be a section on this here? I know I studied it way back in my first year of Japanese, but it has long since become automatic or consistently mistaken.... Doceirias 22:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mid-word Shifts 

message: Contrary to the assertion of an editor, the character か゚ does exist, even though it's not used in normal Japanese. It has a codepoint assigned in Shift-JIS and can be generated with Unicode composites (as above). Jpatokal 03:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bidakuon 

message: I understand how both the dakuten and handakuten work but I think that it is diffucult for readers to understand (especially non-native speakers like myself) when to use it. Or at least the article should say when to use a dakuten or a handakuten for any character. I just thought that would be a good thing to write on the article..--J.T. (talk) 22:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhh...  the article does explain it.  What part of it do you find difficult to understand? Jpatokal (talk) 04:57, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dakuten/Handakuten Usage 

message: Currently, the article states that these diacritics are placed in the upper right corner of the kana they modify. This is correct, of course, but I feel that we would be remiss not to point out that in some cases, the marks may be placed on the lower right.  I guess this is mostly restricted to informal usage -- things like advertisements, etc. I don't think I have ever seen them on the left, but I remember in earlier years misreading プ, for example, because I didn't see the handakuten where I expected it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.7.120.131 (talk) 01:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid you mistook the full stop for handakuten. Oda Mari (talk) 04:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually this can happen with certain kana that have much of its component in the upper-right edge of the glyph; it notably happens quite often with ぐ, as if you actually analyze the character in many fonts, the pre-rendered dakuten is actually shifted downward slightly as to not overlap with the top of the stroke. I have definitely seen it happen with ブ・プ in the past with certain fonts, although it's unusual. Technically, while it's generally recommended for the diacritic to go onto to the absolute top right corner of the glyph, they can be placed anywhere along the right edge, as long as it's clear what it is and doesn't affect the rest of the character. -Wohdin (talk) 04:52, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dakuten/Handakuten Placement 

message: Currently the article displays the combining character glyphs for the diacritics (which actually do not display correctly on the page, because for some reason they are designed to be placed before the character they modify unlike most other combining characters, but I digress). There are actually three versions of each diacritic set in Unicode - one being the combining character, and two others being a "stand-alone" full-width character ゛　゜ and a halfwidth variant used for halfwidth katakana　ﾞ　ﾟ which actually behaves like a combining character when inserted next to halfwidth katakana. Would it be advisable to add the other two versions of the character for clarity's sake? -Wohdin (talk) 04:52, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple variant characters of Dakuten/Handakuten