Template talk:Christian denomination tree

message: (Copied from another post). You can put hyperlinks on an image. This would improve this image a lot, and was the original motivation for the text version, as I remember. Compare  and the tool Labelled Image Editor. (This comment also posted on :Image:Christian-lineage.png). -Colin MacLaurin 18:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Labelled map 

message: I linked this (new) template up wrongly. It should link to categories, but links to articles. I'll fix it. Rursus 10:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: FIxed. Rursus 21:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong 

message: See Talk:Schism (religion) for discussion of this vs other versions  Johnbod 14:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding a suggestion to also compare with the French image file which presents some compelling details considerable also for the development of this template. Chicbyaccident (talk) 10:15, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: This template looks great. Hence, I propose designing additional "sub-trees" which will give more detail for a particular strand, such as Anabaptists for example. A link could be placed on each template to the other one, i.e. on the end of each node for the main template (this one), and at the beginning for a sub-tree. Colin MacLaurin 09:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sub-trees 

message: Sources please Do Lutherans see themselves as Catholic and Reformed? This seems improbable to me. While some Lutherans, especially in Northern Europe have kept a high church, liturgical practice, I do not know of any defining documents that identify Lutherans as anything other than a purely Protestant church. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lutheran via media? 

message: 'Union' should be changed to 'Uniate'. Assyrian and Oriental Orthodox should also have a line joining The line for eastern rite Catholicism. Orthodox Christianity has a western rite (starting at least 1864, after eastern rite Catholicism). These shouldn't be on the same line (i.e., joining) -- western rite Orthodox should be on the Orthodox line, not a jut-out new line, reflecting the fact that compromises in Catholic theology were made order to accept Orthodox churches into the Catholic communion under a eastern rite. See: Western_Orthodoxy and Eastern_Catholic_Churches.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.111.105 (talk) 19:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eastern/Western Rites 

message: I don't think this chart is very useful. The Protestant and Restorationist groups really come from two separate lineages. The vast majority of them split from the Anglican church or derived from ones that did. Perhaps a half a dozen or so split directly from the Roman Catholic Church. Lutheranism originated before Anglicanism and split directly from the Roman Catholic church. In addition, the Moravian Brethren existed well before Luther, given they originated around the time of the Jan Huss Controversy. Add the Mennonites, Swiss, and Dutch Reformed to this smaller group.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 07:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This chart is so simplistic it is misleading 

message: For me, the diagram works in IE8 but not in current Firefox, Opera, Chrome.  In Firefox, please test also with View Text Only set and zoomed. 94.30.84.71 (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, problem recognised. Adding help request on this one. Browsers in mobile platforms seem to fail this template for unknown reason. Chicbyaccident (talk) 10:12, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to work fine for me in Chrome 69, please can you be more descriptive about what the problem you're seeing is? stwalkerster (talk) 10:42, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: , please don't edit your own comments after someone has replied, as it makes the replies lose their context. For the record, my test was done on desktop Chrome since no platform was originally indicated in the request; indeed mobile Chrome on Android renders unexpectedly. I strongly suspect this is due to the screen width on my phone being narrower than the design width of the template and thus the layout wraps oddly. This is backed up by the display being worse on a portrait view than it is on a landscape view. stwalkerster (talk) 11:27, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Browsers 

message: I propose that Arminianism should have its own branch here because of its strong influence. It has influenced on Methodism, Holiness movement, Pentecostalism, and to some extent on General Baptists, and Restoration Movement. 113.186.91.208 (talk) 16:54, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: While Arminianism is certainly an important development in Christian history, it's not usually viewed as a denomination but as a movement. Compare with (e.g.) fundamentalism. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:55, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arminianism 

message: Without a caption explaining what the diagram/template depicts, it is very NPOV.  The diagram depicts some, but NOT all major "branches".  This is not clear from the existing title, and has been a problem with many editors misinterpreting its intention. --Zfish118 (talk) 21:23, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: My point is that it is your POV that these are branches and denominationational families, as it they are two different things. That the diagram depicts only some can be said without those terms. tahc chat 21:30, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not oppose your phrasing. --Zfish118 (talk) 21:37, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diagram without explanation is very NPOV 

message: I am not sure why you are adding ref to this chart. The sources do not have more information to give more detail than the chart has, and since the sources do not match the template, it does not show any lack of bais in the template (even if the sources had a lack of bais). 
Since Eastern Catholicism is not the origin on the Copts, the source CUNY can only be a way to categorize the denominations-- and not infomation on their historical relationships. In others words, its different purpose makes it a poor source for this template. tahc chat 22:30, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs 

message: Since their wide known Nontrinitarian denominations throughout history like Arianism, Unitarianism, Latter Day Saint movement and few more denominations have their own versions of Nontrinitarian theological concept, bigger numbers, ritual and etc. And I think this is time to put them a spot in very above every family (with minor connections in some them like Protestantism or Eastern Orthodoxy for Spiritual Christianity like Doukhobors for example). Chad The Goatman (talk) 12:50, 21 August 2018 (EST)
:The tree will never have all denominations and should not have all denominations. Nontrinitarian denominations quite different from each other and are unnecessary. Any effort to show Nontrinitarian denominations in this tree will be (even more) misleading (or worse). tahc chat 19:46, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: As it happens, I had the same thought before reading this. It's fine if minor denominations are omitted to avoid clutter, but completely missing major ones gives a misleading picture of Christianity. Rather than try to depict graphical relationships or list them out individually, I just added a note about what is not shown. -- Beland (talk) 02:54, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Nontrinitarianism as special and mildly related branch from both Eastern and Western Christianity 

message: Recently, the Russian Orthodox Church severed communion with Constantinople. I believe that this should be shown on the template, as Russian Orthodoxy splits from the Eastern Orthodox branch. The new labels will say Russian Orthodoxy on one branch, and Constantinopolitan Orthodoxy in the other. 210.6.97.203 (talk) 08:27, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The 2018 Moscow-Constantinople schism is not based on long-term and fundamental differences between the two. There are other much more important and fundamental differences not shown in the chart that would be more useful to show first, such as differences between Protestants. tahc chat 14:11, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Rather, if the schism is not repaired, doesn't it seems as if Russian Orthodox would meet the same criteria as the other entries in :Category:Eastern Orthodox independent churches? Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:28, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Show the Moscow-Constantinople schism 

message: Either way, for the time being, the list of Protestant denominations should change to that of the largest ones:
# Pentecostalism
# Baptism
# Lutheranism
# Anglicanism
# Methodism
# Calvinism
PPEMES (talk) 21:34, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Largest protestant denominations

message: Where does the Armenian apostolic church fit in here?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Molitorppd22 (talk • contribs) 22:04, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenian church 

message: This template seems to be showing up correctly on articles like State church of the Roman Empire but not on categories like :Category:Oriental Orthodoxy (text labels overlap with each other and are in the wrong places). Maybe for easier maintenance there should only be one version. -- Beland (talk) 02:58, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There may have been a similar comment at :Talk:Anabaptism and it has to do with the width of the canvas on which it is drawn. If the canvas is too narrow, the text wraps. Is there a way to convert the whole image to svg or to prevent wrapping of text? Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:45, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I found there were two copies of the chart in the template code, one with links to articles and one with links to categories. The category one was broken, so I dropped it, and now it seems to be displaying OK everywhere. -- Beland (talk) 19:22, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Display problems 

message: For the Protestant branches at the top, it shows that Evangelicalism evolved out of Anglicanism. This is highly incorrect as the Anglican Communion/Church sees itself as a middle ground/mid point for both Protestantism, and Catholicism. Many if not most Evangelical churches today are a mixture of Wesleyan/Arminist/Methodist, Calvinist/Reformed/Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, and Pentecostal/Charismatic theology. Because of this, I am getting rid of Evangelicalism as it constitutes a movement, not a denomination. 
Also, the chart shows Anabaptistism, but not Wesleyanism/Arminism/Methodism- a Protestant branch that is certainly more widely spread and holds greater influence globally than the Anabaptists. I will make the change from Anabaptists to Methodist myself. In addition, I have shown that Methodism derives from Anglicanism which is indisputable. --Leiwang7 (talk) 08:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I object to removing Anabaptism. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:41, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

text: Don't remove Anabaptism. It is older and has had influence beyond its size. tahc chat 14:02, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If we are concerned with theological influence, then I can accept keeping the Anabaptists. Leiwang7 (talk) 02:00, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protestantism 

message: Given the descriptor "Major denominational families", I think the branch names can be shortened for clarity and accuracy.
I suggest dropping the "ism" suffix from all protestant branches. It's "the Anglican family", not "the Anglicanism family." The sideways term "Protestantism" can be shortened to "Protestant" as well, and "Protestant Reformation" to just "Reformation" for purposes of the chart. I would like to see some reference to the catholic reformation as well as the protestant, but I don't see an easy way to convey that.
"Catholic Church" should be just shortened to "Catholic." Even though "The Catholic Church" is an entity comprised of many constituent churches, there are parts of this branch not in communion with Rome, yet still validly referred to as non protestant "catholic". See Old Catholic Church and Independent Catholicism. 
"Eastern Orthodox Church" and "Oriental Orthodox Church" should drop the "church" for the same reasoning.
With this change, I suggest dropping the confusing "full communion" identifier. Intercommunion has to do with the organized, ecclesiastical entity, not the tradition. There are subsets within these traditions that are not part of the communion arrangement. Furthermore, it seems arbitrary to highlight communion between the Oriental Orthodox tradition with the Catholic and not between Lutheran with Calvinist, for example. Dirkwillems (talk) 01:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions and communion status 

message: You chart shows the Catholic Church doesn’t come into existence until the 11 century. Bruh 2600:6C56:6500:985:7CF2:BDF9:3123:1859 (talk) 07:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't Reddit. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age of the Catholic Church