Talk:Whole Wheat Radio

message: Please excuse any novice moves I make in this entry and my lack of editing skills.  It's basically my first Wikipedia entry.  I'm not sure this is the appropriate place to discuss this but here goes.  I spent several hours reading about Wikipedia protocol and am sensitive to not wanting this entry to be promotional.  Also, as one of the focal points behind Whole Wheat Radio (WWR), I realize there is danger in my contributing at all.  On the other hand, having written the software engine behind the site, I am uniquely familiar with the inner-technical-workings of WWR.
I would like to contribute to this entry but would like someone with more Wiki experience (i.e. an editor) to concur.  The area I would most like to see addressed is 'unique features'.  These would include:
1) the ability for listeners / musicians to call a standard telephone number, record their message in their own voice on an unattended answering machine, and have it aired moments later.
2) the ability for listeners to type a message in the chat screen and have it read on-the-air as part of the normal programming by simulated 'robotic' voices
3) the ability for listeners to request music and entire hour long shows interactively without needing any human 'approval' at the station
4) the way the electronic DJs (EJs) gather information from the internet realtime (i.e. weather conditions specifically where listeners are located, concert ticket information, horoscopes, news, artist popularity via Last-FM, etc.) and integrate that both in written chat form and in synthesized voices into the webcast
5) some of the historical timeline of when WWR started, when the new "Wheat Hole" performance space was built, when we first started airing live house concerts, etc.
The reason I feel it's important to record this information in an encyclopedic form is largely for historic reasons.  As the developer behind the Nochange BBS system in the 1980's, we instituted many unique features ... which were later integrated into other BBS's.  Although there is some historical record of these innovations, much has been lost.  At the time, documenting unique features didn't seem important.  When I was contacted by an individual who was producing a documentary about the history of BBS's, he was curious about several of the unique Nochange features because they were so unusual.  Unfortunately, I was only able to provide general recollections (http://software.bbsdocumentary.com/IBM/DOS/NOCHANGE/) and a small, but fascinating, piece of home-grown technological history has been lost.
What I would like to see in this entry is a section devoted to some of the history of technological innovations found (I believe) only on WWR.  I suspect this information may one day be important for anyone studying the early evolution of webcasting and what helped differentiate it from standard broadcasting.
But I only want to attempt writing this section (as factually and non-egotistically and non-promotionally as possible) if the Wiki community / editors feel it is appropriate.  Sorry if I should have just gone ahead and "been bold" but I'd rather err on the side of caution and tread lightly on this page.
Jimkloss 11:19, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it, Jim. Maybe a draft as a WWR.org page? Or is there already a history page there? I believe you can write this without a promotional or egotistical slant, and rest assured that any questionable slant will be edited out of the wikipedia article. >>sparkit|TALK<< 16:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the feedback Sparkit.  I may have found a compromise.  I started a Whole Wheat Radio wiki today where historical information can be collected.  I don't think my contributing to this Wikipedia entry, particularly after reading the vanity page, is appropriate.  I'll feel more comfortable documenting various features on the WWR wiki and then if an independent contributor wants to use that as source material here, they can.  Thanks for your comments though.  And since you appear to be a real wikipedian expert, maybe you'll be able to contribute to our new wiki.  Jimkloss 14:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this will work out well. Contributing info about one's own stuff on wikipedia is dicey even if one is objective, lots of antennas are tuned into this sort of thing. So, rather than an assumption of NPOV in such cases, the assumption is that the writer's stance is POV, and they must "prove" their NPOV. Waste of time and emotional energy, IMO. See ya at the WWR wiki. >>sparkit|TALK<< 17:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for editor / expert input from WWR author 

message: Being one of the principals that helps keep WWR on-air, I don't think it's appropriate for me to write why WWR may or may not be of importance in a Wikipedia sense.  But I thought I'd write some quick ideas as potential areas that others may want to cover:
# WWR website is an interactive wiki using the same technology as Wikipedia - the first and perhaps only use of wiki technology I'm aware of for interactive music requesting / realtime chat / custom WWR system variables users can include on any page (i.e. what song is currently playing etc.)
# live house concerts of nationally touring performers broadcast over the internet for 3 years - not entirely unique, but potentially of importance
# WWR was the first live webcast to start podcasting (as well as including other people's podcasts in the webcast stream) ... and then purposely stop podcasting (in the traditional sense) due in part to technical disappointment with mainstream podcasting's direction
# Wheatstalk 2005 gathering of listeners in Talkeetna, Alaska
# use of text-to-voice synthesis software (EJs) allowing anyone to enter text and have it read on-air in near realtime
# use of standard telephone technology (Phonegrams) to allow anyone to call and transmit voice messages on-air in near realtime
Note: If you are a listener who is not familiar with Wikipedia, please keep in mind that a neutral fact-oriented point-of-view is critical when editing articles such as this.  Wikipedia is not an appropriate place to 'hype' or otherwise give personal opinions about WWR.  It's best to just present facts (as you know them).  If the Wikipedia community at large determines that WWR is not appropriate for a Wikipedia page (Wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia) then please don't try to resurrect the page.  Not being cluttered with pages that are of questionable importance is one of the main reasons Wikipedia works so well.  (This article has some guidelines concerning website notability.) Thanks.  Jimkloss 02:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential items for 'unclear importance' designation 

message: Updates for this article are being prepared off-wikipedia site, at http://www.wholewheatradio.org/wiki/index.php/Wikipedia_article_draft_working>>sparkit|TALK<< 16:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is now updated. Needs some wikification for style and so forth. >>sparkit|TALK<< 04:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Update forthcoming

message: Added by Kloss to the main article... Generally wikipedia editors delete these sorts of self-reference to users sorts of things from article main pages. --sparkitTALK 18:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I had no idea but can sorta see why.  Jimkloss (talk) 05:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sticker moved from main page 

message: I intend to delete some of the WP:PROMO issues in this article. It'll all still be there in the history, but not all readers know about that. Therefore, I think it could be beneficial to retain unreferenced claims of genuine encyclopedic value, rather than immediately reducing content to the bare minimum. --Trevj (talk) 12:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reducing spam content 

message: I've rewritten this page from scratch to address the following concerns:
* A more encyclopedic tone
* Inline references for every claim
* More secondary sources
* Replacing dead links with archive.org links, or removing them
* Creating a Whole Wheat Radio category on The Commons for related materials
I watched the 2013 edit war from a distance, and was unimpressed with the behaviour of a certain admin. As far as I'm concerned, technical issues (and there were legitimate ones) are forfeited when uncivil behavior is introduced. My hope is we can have a more constructive dialogue now.
Let's turn a new page and get to work. Thanks,
--RubenSchade (talk) 04:45, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  2016 rewrite