Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Nobs01 and others/Evidence

message: :Can Cberlet clarify this accusation against nobs: " Nobs01 suggests that I am complicit in murder:  ' The murder of Richard S. Welch was the entirely predictable result of the disclosure tactics chosen by certain American critics' "   (A) Did nobs say it? (B) is the Washington Post a "marginal website" or "highly POV print publication?"  nobs 02:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You are aware that you have engaged in a leap of logic. Chip Berlet wrote an article about CounterSpy.  A disclosure in CounterSpy of the identity of a CIA agent may have resulted in his death. So what did Chip Berlet have to do with the death of Richard S. Welch? And what on earth does your information have to do with the content of the article, Chip Berlet? What would you add to the article that was relevant and well sourced? Keep in mind, we have no access to the text of the article, which was not in CounterSpy but in Alternative Media. Fred Bauder 03:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct; my citation was in error, and I will correct it.  As to the substance of your question, I refer you to the text of Mr. Laird Wilcox's Report, pgs. 121-124, Chip Berlet and U.S. Law Enforcement and Intelligence Agencies.  Relevent portions are quoted at  Talk:Chip Berlet#Intelligence Identities Protection Act.  If the extraction there is not in keeping with the spirit of the source material, please advise.  As to what could be added, in the current discussion at Talk:Chip Berlet I stated I would present three quotations from Mr. Wilcox, and will do so as time allows.  Thank you.  nobs 03:44, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question from Nobs 

message: The fanciful nature of Cberlet's theory, that he is facing a vast conspiracy against him by a diverse grouping of editors who have little in common, suggests that he views Wikipedia "through a lens distorted by Conspiracism." --HK 15:53, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Others acting in concert"

message: Cberlet is asking the Committee to establish by precedent a special exemption privelege based upon notoriety.  What has come into focus is Cberlet's undisclosed conflict of interest when entering into (a) normal editing practices (b) dispute resolution processes.  On Cberlet's user page is now famously inscribed his User:Cberlet#Venona dissents,. criticism of Prof. Harvey Klehr.  This dissent is one of only two published sources Cberlet uses as "sceptics" on the subject of the Venona project.  Cberlet and nobs have been debating this for months.
Prof. Klehr states in Far Left of Center: The American Radical Left Today (Transaction Books, New Brunswick, 1988), p. 161,
:"The NLG is an affiliate of the Soviet-controlled International Association of Democratic Lawyers (IADL).... Over the years it has steadfastly supported every twist and turn in Soviet foreign policy, including the invasions of Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Afghanistan."
Also quoted in Laird Wilcox subchapter Chip Berlet and the National Lawyers Guild, Editorial Research Service, 1999, p. 115-117 ISBN 0-993592-96-5 .
Chip Berlet#Resume states,
:"Berlet is former vice-president of the National Lawyers Guild..."; also 
Cberelt posts at WikiIN-1, 7 Nov 2005 
:"I freely confess, I have a vested interest..."
During the months long discussion never once did Cberlet disclose this vested personal interest behind his motivations, in normal discussion, or any dispute resolution process.
I became vaguely aware of Cberlet's motives in July and August when I became familiar with the Wilcox Report, but AGF, among so many issues, it was a matter of prioritizing relevent subjects.  By 20 September, Laird Wilcox's credential had been established, and I approached Mr. Berlet on the subject, only to be rebuked with a personal attack.
It is clear now, his vested interest extends to (1) breach of faith in dispute resolution, (2) impugning critics of the NLG, (3) continuing to advance notions of conspiracism to promote book sales by using Wikipedia as a vehicle for advertising and self-promotion.  nobs 17:21, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Nobs01 view of Cberlet's request

message: Being that nobs has essentially pled guilty to reading the Washington Post out loud, and a Wikipedia Policy has already been modified based upon nobs postings to Talk:Chip Berlet, I am not certain if this is the appropriate forum to raise the verifiability of this source.  The postings under Intelligence Identities Protection Act on that Talk page also reference Mr. Berlet circulating Philip Agee's reading list as late as 1991.  This  appears to be either a copy, or that very list Mr. Wilcox cited.  It's authorship is given as Chip Berlet & Linda Lotz, and appears in all identifying particulars to match the description Mr. Wilcox gave in his report.  It is dated Revised 1/14/91.  It contains this item,
*"Public Eye" Another spawn of the first "Counterspy." Not currently publishing. Last issue Spring 1989.
On the face of it, the above reference appears to be written by Chip Berlet & Linda Lotz.  This raises numerous questions, one of which directly relates to a key piece of evidence in this proceeding.  nobs 05:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Verifiability

message: It should be noted, nobs has not joined in any of the motions for recusal, despite the evidence being presented.  Nobs01 interprets this as a proper application of WP:AGF, given the limited contact nobs has had with any committee members.  nobs 21:12, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: AGF

message: Let me state my position: nobs pleads guilty to a breaching experiment, disruption, etc.; the findings of NPA, however, seem ill-advised.  nobs 23:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And I would like to add a personal appology to the community as a whole for behavior which, though not intented, may be misinterpreted as a personal attack, and should not be emulated again by others as an example to affect policy or change.  Thank you.  nobs 17:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would just like to add that this guy keeps putting in fake information from nutcases like Douglas Reed in Alger Hiss. I wish he would reform, but he hasn't. He also just filed a phony vandalism charge against me solely for disagreeing with his "methods" and "facts" on the page.  nobs is a burden for everyone involved with him. Sincerity is not something I can honestly find at all in this editor.--Timoteo III 03:33, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It could have assisted Timoteo's case to begin editing in good faith, rather than the fifteen documented instances of disruption to the Talk page  when he began editing under this name; and also, like User:Ruy Lopez, this user has a habit of refering to documented falsehoods ad infinitem in effort to generate innuendo, to wit: citations were provided for Weinstein and further corroborated in Toledano & Lasky book.  nobs 17:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPA