Talk:42nd Infantry Division (United States)

message: This section was removed in its entirety because it was directly copied from copyrighted material -- Munoz, Antonio J. - Iron Fist: A Combat History of the 17. SS-Panzergrenadier-Division "Götz von Berlichingen".  If this material is re-introduced to the article, it should be written without stealing copyrighted material.  Please do not revert the copyrighted material back into the article. W. B. Wilson (talk) 06:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd also note that this book is probably not a reliable source as well. Nick-D (talk) 04:04, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Theres nothing wrong about using material for a encyclopedia, as long as the source is mentioned. Deleting the whole section about war crimes appears too much like revisionism. The dachau massacre is confirmed, only the number of executions ranging from 80 till 500 is debateable as well as other massacres like the webling massacre and others are confirmed till very likely. The main problem is, that there were never any examinations, not to mention trials, that could prove it. In the end it should at least be written down in the article, that the division is accused of several war crimes in WW2 and mentioned, why there was never or rarely a real examination of the accusations. Therefor as long as no one has proved these accusations wrong, they should be mentioned. 188.98.196.81 (talk) 20:30, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that excerpts from copyrighted material were not identified as such, and in any case, the amount copied was questionable. As well, the material is confused.  There is a difference between the Dachau massacre and the unsubstantiated allegations that a massacre also occurred outside of Nuremberg.  I have no issues with the Dachau massacre being mentioned as long as reliable sources are used.  The trouble with the literature that admires the Nazis and the SS is that much of it was produced without much attention to accuracy and this is why items like the alleged Nuremberg massacre continue to reappear: the material was incompletely researched to begin with and then mindlessly repeated on the internet.  Let us sort the wheat from the chaff on Wikipedia if nowhere else. W. B. Wilson (talk) 11:09, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of section: ''War Crimes'' 

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message: So, the 42nd had a fame of a kind of Roosevelt's SS !? Regarding the relatively remote significance of its WW II participation that seems a typical example of boasting, somewhat notorious among U. S. division histories (other: the 63d Division carved a path of "blood and fire" from Sarreguemines through Germany - wow !). Reminds of the - allegedly - epiteth given U.S. Marines by german soldiers in WW I Teufelhunde, a term not even existent in German. Seems, that fabrication and fantasy played no minor role. A quite primitive tendency to bragging and big-mouthing. Afterwards. --2001:A61:2B66:7E01:9D48:906B:C4D4:D8C5 (talk) 09:00, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exaggerations ? 

message: I'm going to make a new section about the 42nd infantry division in pop culture. So far, I know the movie Cloverfield features the 42nd Infantry division.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.121.3 (talk) 16:45, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  In pop culture 

message: I found the article via a reference to "the Rainbow Division". First thought: was that name because it mixed Americans of all colours? Second thought: or maybe they were gay.  So, I have added a definition to the first para. I think a few words about their WW1 service are also important for perspective, since it might be all a reader sees. Humpster (talk) 02:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname 

message: 'On the night of February 27 Germans laid down a heavy concentration of artillery and mortar fire and under this the elements of the 6th Mountain Division were withdrawn and replaced by the 22 1st VoIks grenadier Regiment. In the brief period this unit had been in the line it had come to respect the Rainbow and fear its patrols and raids.
"Is your Division a part of Roosevelt's SS?" asked one German when captured.
The remark was passed along and men kidded each other about being in the Rainbow SS.'
This copy/paste isn't from the article. It is from the source "Daly". (any errors are likely OCR). I was going to delete the plagiarized passage when I thought just two sentences had been copied. But I found there was more. I haven't reviewed the rest of the article. 
Perhaps the quick fix is to put it all in a block quote. But the whole article should be reviewed for plagiarism. Humpster (talk) 03:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism