Talk:List of Hazara tribes

message: there is no relation between the Hazara tribe of Afghanistan and the Tanolis of the Hazara region in Pakistan.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adilkhantanoli (talk • contribs) 02:44, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  tanoli is not trib of hazara 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Removing sources is against the WP:RS, WP:CONS & WP: WAR rules. According WP:RSPRIMARY, "Wikipedia articles should be based mainly on reliable secondary sources, i.e., a document or recording that relates or discusses information originally presented elsewhere". "All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors". No need to change Mongolian origin to Turkic. According to the prominent turkologist Balkis Karmysheva "there are no special studies, reasonable statements, giving grounds to dispute the Mongolian origin of the Barlas" (in original: "нет ни специальных исследований, ни более обоснованного высказывания, дающих основание оспаривать монгольское происхождение барласов"). According to the orientalist Ilya Petrushevsky, the term Turks in Persian sources has not so much ethnic as social and everyday character. The Turks in Persian sources can mean both Mongol-speaking and even Tibetan cattle-breeding tribes.  According to him: "It can be argued, with a high degree of probability, that the barlas were Mongol-speaking, and not Türkic-speaking" (in original: "Можно утверждать, с большой долей вероятности, относительно ряда племен — татар, кераитов, найманов, джалаиров, сулдузов, барласов, меркитов, ойратов, — что в XIII в. они были монголоязычны, а не тюркоязычны").--KoizumiBS (talk) 21:42, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mongolic and Turkic ethnic components  

message: Is it complete list?--Kaiyr (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  complete  

message: Basharatdihinda please don't start an edit war and follow the rules described in WP:NPV and WP:CONS. The information you remove has links to sources. Removing text without explanation is a gross violation of the rules. If you continue to delete information without a reasoned explanation, I will be forced to contact the administrators.--KoizumiBS (talk) 18:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hamkar 99, deleting text with sources is destructive editing. Please read the rules WP:NPV, WP:CONS. Citations added to sources. All sources are available online. Please don't start an edit war.--KoizumiBS (talk) 16:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of information  

message: No complete genetic research has been performed on all Hazaras and their tribes.--Hamkar 99 (talk) 19:39, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: But no genetic research has been done on all Hazara people and their tribes. And all the Hazara tribes are not of the same origin.--Hamkar 99 (talk) 20:12, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm just quoting sources, reliable sources.--KoizumiBS (talk) 20:22, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  So the information is poor and needs to be edited and deleted.--Hamkar 99 (talk) 20:33, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is your personal opinion, not based on sources.--KoizumiBS (talk) 20:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is not my personal opinion. We should not accuse each other of this being your personal opinion. I said this based on the content of the article.--Hamkar 99 (talk) 20:48, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  We have no right to draw our own conclusions. Check out with the rules in WP:OR, WP:RS.--KoizumiBS (talk) 20:53, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is my own conclusion. This is not a reason to accuse each other instead of answering.--Hamkar 99 (talk) 20:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  In fact, this is a violation of the rules. See rules from WP:OR: "Articles may not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not clearly stated by the sources themselves". "Even with well-sourced material, if you use it out of context, or to reach or imply a conclusion not directly and explicitly supported by the source, you are engaging in original research". Unlike you, I cite data from sources that are reliable and academic. And in the future, I also intend to use only such sources.--KoizumiBS (talk) 21:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  But your editing did not reach a general consensus. This is just your claim. I do not know what kind of sources you are referring to.--Hamkar 99 (talk) 22:09, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I write not what I want, but what is written in sources. Sources are listed in the article.--KoizumiBS (talk) 22:14, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  You did not answer my questions to reach a consensus.--Hamkar 99 (talk) 22:21, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  My answer is simple - adding data from reliable sources is not a violation of the rules. But removing them is a violation.--KoizumiBS (talk) 22:23, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I add information only from reliable sources. For example Sabitov - population geneticist, PhD.--KoizumiBS (talk) 22:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  We do not have to include any information in Wikipedia articles. There must be a general consensus.--Hamkar 99 (talk) 22:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I cannot accept that you remove information from reliable sources. However, I do not mind if you supplement the article with new information based on academic and reliable sources.--KoizumiBS (talk) 22:37, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added an exact source, I hope you agree.--Hamkar 99 (talk) 23:21, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

text: Hamkar 99, please explain why you consider my edits are incorrect and pan-Mongolian. I consider your accusations are unfounded. And the accusation of pan-Mongolism is generally a violation of the WP:CIV. Look at what sources and what authors I refer to. Sabitov and Zhabagin - population geneticists, PhD, both from Kazakhstan. Hassan Poladi - author of Hazara descent. Temirkhanov - Soviet scientist. Please note that I did not add Mongolian authors. All the authors I have added are neutral and objective.--KoizumiBS (talk) 23:13, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetic 

message: I removed the section about the racial origin of the Hazaras, because this is just a list of the Hazara tribes, not research on their racial roots. The ethnic origin of the Hazara people consists of several relatives. That's why it's better to remind the list of Hazara tribes here. Jasoorth (talk) 18:26, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hazara tribes