Talk:Libertarian Republican

message: I don't think a Libertarian Republican has ever been called a Republitarian. Or at least I've never heard someone call it that. I think liberty Republican or Constitutional Conservative sounds better. Even paleoconservative is a better name than Republitarian. I'll change it if there's no feed back.Libertybrewcity (talk) 02:33, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like a lot of bloggers use it, but I couldn't find any reliable sources with a quick Google search. I am fine with it being removed. –CWenger (^ • @) 02:52, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Republitarian?

message: The list of "public figures" is very poorly sourced. I can't find any in which the entries are specifically called "Libertarian Republicans". Instead, it appears that there are some details in the sources which have led editors here to conclude that they qualify. If so, that's a violation of WP:NOR, a core content policy. I am going to remove all the entries that do not have sources with clear sources.   Will Beback  talk   08:02, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Public figures

message: I'm not sure it's proper to list Gary Johnson as a "Libertarian Republican" given his switch in 2011 to the Libertarian Party. The label "libertarian" surely still applies, but "Republican" appears no longer to fit. -- JeffBillman (talk) 18:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If we're only including current members of the Republican Party, then no, Johnson should not be listed here. I'm not sure that's the standard for inclusion, however. He is listed under Governors, and he governed New Mexico as a libertarian Republican. So it is a matter of whether we exclusively list current capital "R" Republicans or if those who have previously served as libertarian R's are listed as well.--JayJasper (talk) 19:33, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent question.  It seems to me we should list those who have previously served, UNLESS they later left the Republican Party and did not return.  So for example, if we had a source that said that Charlie Crist was a libertarian Republican (and to be clear, I've not seen such a claim, let alone a source), we could not list Crist unless he returned to the GOP.  Bob Barr should be listed, because he did return to the GOP.  Gary Johnson has not returned, as of this writing. -- JeffBillman (talk) 21:31, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not just put an asterisk?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.22.125 (talk) 13:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconding the asterisk or similiar inclusion of a note; Johnson DID serve as Governor of New Mexico as a Republican after all. It could even be reasonably argued that he left the GOP only after necessity if he wanted to continue running for President. That being said, I sincerely doubt whether Johnson WILL ever return to the GOP, so it remains a question of elasticity: should former Republicans still be included in the list? I'd say so as long as the fact is somehow clarified.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Labot2001 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

text: Just wondering if any of the listed "libertarian Republicans" adhere to the NAP, the underlining foundation of libertarianism? Sort of makes "libertarian Republican" an oxymoron, don't you think? Johnson did not refer to himself as being libertarian while a Republican. I also see Rand Paul listed. I have been with the libertarian movement since 1975 and I can assure you Rand is not libertarian, not even close. This whole article is just a wishful thinking fantasy. Jeff Smith (talk) 00:26, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gary Johnson 

message: Grover Cleveland was a Democrat...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.120.129 (talk) 19:58, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Right you are. Cleveland has been removed from the page.--JayJasper (talk) 20:05, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleveland 

message: I've raised the sources here at WP:RSN. Some of them are very dubious, eg . Others may be ok but don't say Libertarian (eg one says centrist). I've removed all the unsourced entries as violations of WP:BLP. Sources for BLP entries must be impeccable. Dougweller (talk) 12:55, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Now at WP:BLPN. Dougweller (talk) 16:15, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: An IP has recently deleted material supported by www.ontheissues.org/ & other sources. Discussion is invited as to whether these sources are WP:RS. (The material is now restored.)  – S. Rich (talk) 22:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  OnTheIssues.org as RS 

message: I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any libertarians who'd consider Chris Christie one of their own. He supports gun control (the other person the article claims, Cuomo, drafted a sweeping gun confiscation bill in his state) and Rand dissed him. He spoke to one of their groups, but that doesn't mean he's with them on the issues and the article also said they groaned during his speech. He's more of a Rockefeller Republican like Romney, Snowe or McCain, which is extremely different. J390 (talk) 04:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems that the sources cited say "libertarian". (Admittedly, I haven't looked at them.) OnTheOtherHand, On the Issues.org lists him as a "Moderate Liberal Populist" . (What it really comes down to -- politicians seek to understand (and then repeat) what their constituents want to hear.) Based on what OTI says, recommend removing him from the list. – S. Rich (talk) 04:34, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chris Christie? 

message: The article :Libertarian Democrat has had some edit warring over including Obama as a "libertarian-leaning" Democrat. (I am inclined to say no, he is not libertarian.) To hopefully resolve the issue on that page, I have proposed changing the parameters for defining "Libertarian Democrat" at Talk:Libertarian Democrat. In the interests of consistency between the LD & LR articles, I propose that the listing of "libertarian-leaning Republicans" be limited to those "who are described as libertarian or libertarian-leaning by commentators, or who have been endorsed by Libertarian political parties." Comments here (or on the LD talkpage) are welcome.  – S. Rich (talk) 16:34, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Libertarian-leaning" Republican/Democrat parameters 

message: Some recent edits have added strikeout typeface for former or past subscribers of libertarianism. This sort of editing is prone to original research. I've removed the strikeouts and tried to expand, refine the intro sentence to allow for past & present subscribers of libertarianism.  – S. Rich (talk) 03:37, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strikeouts of "former" members 

message: I've been with the Libertarian Party since 1976. Only those who call themselves libertarian Republicans agree that such a thing exists. The Libertarian Party does not acknowledge the possibility.  The reason is that the underling philosophy of libertarianism is the NAP (Non-Aggression Principle). One cannot be a libertarian without adhering to it. The Republican Party does not adhere to the NAP. You either adhere to it or you don't, you can't do both. That makes the term libertarian Republican an oxymoron. Jeff Smith (talk) 14:29, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libertarian Republican is an oxymoron 

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message: In what universe is he considered a libertarian leaning Republican?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.157.100 (talk) 22:25, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scott Walker???? Seriously? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I've removed a bunch of content (under the "list of libertarian Republicans") that is weakly sourced, namely:
*Citations to the "OntheIssues.com" aggregator.  This website does have a methodology for assigning descriptions (e.g., "libertarian-leaning conservative"), but it is limited in scope and these descriptions frequently change.
*Citations that merely say that Ron Paul or Lew Rockwell endorsed or praised the person.  This alone doesn't support a description of an individual as "libertarian" — something more is needed.
*Citations to blogs, YouTube clips, etc.
*Mere citations to collections of voting records, etc., which do not directly describe the person as libertarian.
I think the sort of sources we need are (1) journalistic accounts describing the individual as libertarian or (2) statements of the person describing himself or herself as libertarian. Neutralitytalk 16:24, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: One of the main problems is that libertarianism already has a definition. Republicans do not have the option of redefining the term and philosophy simply because they decided to add the title to Republican. Bunco man (talk) 20:27, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Neutrality please cease removing sourced information. Libertarianism is libertarianism, the source does not need to include Republican-libertarian to be about libertarianism. Bunco man (talk) 21:51, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is about libertarian Republicans. Citing to a random FAQ page on an advocacy group's website, when the FAQ doesn't even mention the Republicans once, is not proper. It moreover does not support the claim made on this article. Neutralitytalk 23:04, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  @Neutrality: Again, libertarianism is libertarianism, and the definition (the philosophy, principles, etc) doesn't change just because because we write Republican after it. Bunco man (talk) 00:40, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sure, but that's irrelevant. The question is why it should be on this page. Neutralitytalk 00:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps because this page is named Libertarian Republican. That fact makes my comment VERY relevant. Bunco man (talk) 01:19, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why do you think a random FAQ page on an advocacy group's website, when the FAQ doesn't even mention the Republicans once, is a proper reliable source for an article on libertarian Republicans? Neutralitytalk 02:19, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, let me try another route. I have been with the libertarian movement since 1975. The definition and the principles have never changed. Putting Republican after libertarian does not change the definition of libertarianism. The source doesn't mention Republicans, because libertarianism (a non-aggression based entity) has nothing to do with Republicans (aggression based entities). The NAP is a foundation principle of Libertarianism. Republicans oppose the NAP. Does that help clarify the comment within the article? Bunco man (talk) 03:18, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, that's not responsive to the question I put. The question is this: "Why do you think a random FAQ page on an advocacy group's website, when the FAQ doesn't even mention the Republicans once, is a proper reliable source for an article on libertarian Republicans?" Neutralitytalk 04:33, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps there may be a better source out there that explains what I have already. That the "opposition to the use of the term libertarian Republican comes from the libertarian adherence to the non-aggression principle..." However, the source used is perfectly fine for this purpose as the libertarian principles are long established. I added another reference link to the Statement of Principles in the Libertarian Party platform that lists the NAP as one of the main principles in libertarianism. Bunco man (talk) 05:12, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning up this page and tackling weak sourcing 

message: Libertarian Republican isn't an actual thing. The proper terminology would be paleo-conservative. Paleo-conservatives are distantly similar to Libertarians but are fundamentally different on key issues. My suggestion is to delete the article or rename it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.150.184.160 (talk) 09:01, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libertarian Republican isn't a Thing 

message: I strongly object to this edit, which removed very well-cited, well-attributed content, which I duplicate below (in green type):
If a person is a libertarian Republican for part of their career, but not for another, that is obviously worth mentioning. Individual opinions obviously change over time; this is well cited (and, in the case of Somin, well-attributed). There's no policy-based rationale for deleting, nor has any been meaningfully given. Neutralitytalk 14:18, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Given that there has been no response for over a month, and no objection, I'm making the appropriate edit. Neutralitytalk 02:04, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miller, Hunter, etc.