Talk:Arab Christians/Archive 1

message: We Assyrians and Chaldeans are ethnically Assyrian, not Arab. 
So I removed Iraq as one of the countries in the article. 
Chaldean 20:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No such thing as Christian Arabs in Iraq

message: *From my understanding, the number of Christians in Lebanon has reduced as a percentage from the 50% or so at the time of French rule. The CIA world factbook claims 39%, although numbers are difficult to estimate as there hasn't been a census since independence. Have added a comment about this to the text and tried to tidy it up a bit Vino s 14:20, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop your POVing of articles.  You are crossing the line.  There are plenty of Christians in Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan who identify as Arabs. Yuber(talk) 23:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Numbers

message: He is not arab.
:Gibran claimed many times he is Arab. One of his poems says: Nation of Arabs what proud to belong to you.
::I would like to see that poem, any links? Also check out the article on Khalil Gibran, a few editors are constantly claiming that he was of Assyrian descent. If he was Assyrian, then why is it not mentioned in biographies on him. Last time I checked he didn't read/speak/write Assyrian, he didn't write about Assyrians, he didn't participate in Assyrian American events and organizations or involve himself in Assyrian politics so the claim is unsubstantial and peculiar. Do you know if he was Assyrian or not? --Inahet 03:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khalil Gibran 

message: People reading this want to know about Assyrians, Chaldeans, Syriacs, Copts, Eastern Rite Christians in the Arab world, etc., many but not all of whom have non-Arab origins.  I think we should just do a new article called Semitic Christians
(or Christian Semites).  Adam Mathias 20:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  Arab Christians are a real group, and Christian Semites is too confusing of terminology and we would be able to find no sources for it. Yuber(talk) 20:49, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

text: What on earth do you mean the Christian Palestinians aren't Arabs? Have you ever talked to any of them? Here in Syria as well there are probably well over a million Arab Christians. You seem to be bent on getting some ideological grievance of yours onto Wikipedia instead of looking at facts. Palmiro | Talk 10:28, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I live in Syria and get to talk to quite a lot of Syrian Christians. And I also know quite a few Palestinian Christians. Now, almost all of them - maybe all of them - are Greek Orthodox, Greek Catholic, Protestant or Maronite, but they all think of themselves as Arabs. Of course the Greek Orthodox Church is not an Arab church (in fact its lacking high Arab officials in Palestine is a frequent complaint of its Palestinian members) but its Syrian and Palestinian members are Arabs and in my experience pretty much always think of themselves as such. If you cannot find any evidence for your anti-Arab jihad could you please call a halt to it? Palmiro | Talk 12:08, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

text: So you, in Sweden, have a right to tell Syrians what their ethnic identity is? That is arrogant and stupid. Palmiro | Talk 13:17, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems this guy has not heard of Michel Aflaq and Constantin Zureiq.  Maybe he should avoid these articles, as they would destroy his entire theory. Yuber(talk) 15:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Benne's and Michael's assertions that Maronites and Melkites are "Syriacs", are totally fantasist: they are 100% arabized since the XVIIth-XVIIIth century and even if a few present-day Maronites (but no Melkite) claim non-Arab ethnic ancestries (mostly Phoenician or Mardaite), an eminent Maronite (converted to Protestantism) scholar, Butrus al-Bustani, was one of the main initiators of the Arab cultural revival in the XIXth century, an Orthodox Melkite teacher, Michel Aflaq, was one of the three founders and ideologue of the Ba'th party in the 1940s, Nayef Hawatmeh and George Habash, both Palestinian or Jordanian Melkite Orthodox, have been the founders of two left-wing (Arab) Palestinian organizations (PFLP and DFLP) etc. The genetic origins of the Middle Eastern ethnic groups and communities or the languages spoken by their ancesters is not relevant for their present-day ethnic and national identification. Keep also in mind that individuals do have a choice of their own, more so in complex ethnonational situations. Pylambert 08:09, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A Solution

message: I think people discussing here should have a look at the doings of some anti-Arab Christian activists at the Assyrian-related articles. They even designed a totally inaccurate and propagandist Syriacs box, mentioning Maronites and Melkites as "Syriacs", thus non-Arabs, which I proposed for deletion here. Pylambert 23:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-Arab Middle East Christians 

message: The old numbers were way off! Check the CIA Factbook, BBC, and other contemporary sources they all say the same thing! Syria's pop is 18 million and the most educated estimation is that Chritians make up 10% of the country , 10% of 18 000 000 is MORE than 1,000,000 ..do the math yourself. Lebanon has a pop 3.8 Million, so 39% of 3.8M is over 1M --Georgios 19:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all Christian in Syria are arab - a little over 50% are. Most people now say Lebanon is 25-30% and not all of the are arab. Do more research, and look up Assyrians Chaldean 03:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian percentages 

message: Who are you Chaldeans and Syriacs to be designating whose Arab and whose not in this entry? Have you never heard of the Arab nationalistic founders of various Palestinians groups and Lebanese pan-Arab orthodox groups? Still if many Arab Chirstians "do not consider themselves arab" its does not matter becase they are not ethnically Arab. I was especially outraged when you an extremist user said on thsi page that Palestinians and Lebanese Christians are NOT arabs. There is no difference in the ethnic and genetic makeup between Muslim Lebanese and Christian Lebanese. They are the same people you retard. I am a Lebanese and Palestinian Chirstian and I am PROUD to be an Arab. It is outrageous, it as if being an Arab is an insult or something, this is how some users make it soud! Pure racism and denial. So you extremists out there stop skewing information: Wikipedia should not bow to couple of bias people and compromise the factuality of this article simply because they ask for it. Even Chaldeans, whether you like it or not, to your great surprise guess what: you are arabs. Your have been so assimilitaed into Arab culture and society over the centuries from Lebanon to Iraq that you are considered as Iraqi Christians or Arab Christians. And i am not going to say "no offense" because if you do take offense then you are a racist and should not be editing this article. I know btw, countless Chaldeans who admit to being Arabs (still if they do not admit, like the Sirs here, they still are). So stop this nonsense and be logical and fair. This is propostrous and outrageous so to all anti-Arabs out there, you may have your opinions but keep them out of the pages and keep the facts straight. And, there is a lot of bias on Syriac and Assyrian related articles here. Many changes are bound to come.  --Doge120 05:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stop crying. Educate yourself. Iraq is not Lebanon. Chaldean 19:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: "Even Chaldeans, whether you like it or not, to your great surprise guess what: you are arabs.  "  - Please go educate yourself. Chaldean 19:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Embarrasement and Shame on the Syriacs here 

message: Every time i check Shakira's wikipage, her ethnicity has been changed! What is wrong with people? When it is written she is "Lebanese", almost instantly it is corrected to "Catholic Lebanese". What is the big deal? It seems there are some obsessed Christians who cannot bare to think that Shakira is associated with Lebanon (an arab country). In actual fact, Lebanon is a very diverse country with a great demography- to enlighten yourself, check out the Lebanon wikipage. And in response to a previous comment on this page ("Recent Edit"Drdr1989), it is not true when its written that Catholic Lebanese are not arabs. In actual fact they are. The vast majority of Arabs in the United States are in fact Christian, not Muslim. There are indeed many thousands of Christian Arabs in the world, so it should not be assumed that Arabs are always Muslim. Shakira is of Lebanese descent and when she descirbes it, you never hear her add in ..."but im Catholic". She is proud of her Arab hertiage and demonstrates this by influencing her choice of music, lyrics and dancing (the song 'Ojos Asi' and her frequent bellydancing in her music videos).
Furthermore, in response to a further comment (by She Mourns 01:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "identify myself as Arab; because i speak Arabic, live in an Arab country, practise Arabic traditions and customs and conform to the Arabic culture. " - well guess what buddy; I speak Syriac, practice Assyrian traditions and customs and conform to the Assyrian culture. Thus I identify myself as Assyrian. The Christian arab nationalist here need to get this into their melon; not everyone in the middle east is arab. Thats like saying all of Europe is made of "white people". Chaldean 14:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I dont argue the fact that Christians in Palestine and Lebanon are considered arab. But when you say there are 300,000 Christian arabs in Iraq, thats an insult. Christians in Lebanon speak arabic and acustome to arab community, its not the same with us in Iraq and Syria. Chaldean 19:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SHAKIRA and her ETHNICITY