Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Archive 1

message: I am a member of the List of Atlantic hurricane seasons team. We are working backwards to finish at 1492. Currently, we are at 1800-1810, but I am making progress. In addition, I am giving full summaries for each season 1950-2005. 1979-2005 were complete as of June, and I have done the rest of them up to 1962. I am working to bring it back, so it shouldn't be too much longer. All hurricane stubs should be finished, or discussed how we could add upon them. Death tolls and damage are necessities for important articles, as well as a storm history. Many storms I have gone to didn't have any storm history, they just said Hurricane Wiki hit Internet as a Category 5. It caused $Mucho in damage. There was more detail than that, but a lot were missing full summaries. 
In summary:
*Finish Hurricane Archive by completing 1492-1799 Atlantic hurricane seasons(done)
*Finish individual summaries from 1950-2005 by completing 1950-1961(done)
*Upgrade all stubs(done)
*Add damage, death toll, and storm histories to each Hurricane article.
Hurricanehink 01:40, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So what will it take to convince you the older seasons should be 1880s Atlantic hurricane seasons rather than 1880-1889 Atlantic hurricane seasons?  I want to be able to use  and  and have the categories work out right (to :Category:1880s Meteorology and :Category:1880s). Jdorje 21:03, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See :Category:1880-1889_Atlantic_hurricane_seasons and 1880-1889_Atlantic_hurricane_seasons.  Because the "parents" all use 1880s (I used 1880s in the templates for the year) it would be rather more sensible for the name to be 1880s as well (rather than 1880-1889). Jdorje 23:07, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of Atlantic hurricane seasons]]

message: What should be done with this article?  What should it be called?  Jdorje 19:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. Maybe Cape Hatteras Hurricane of 1857, but the Central America part is misleading. Personally, I would rather see people take advantage of the seasonal pages, adding info there before the section is too large. Really, how is this storm notable aside from the fact it sunk a ship? Lots of storms do that, but that's for another debate. In conclusion, the title might need to be changed. Hurricanehink 03:59, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, by my standards the article is long enough to warrant a separate article...although it is extremely low-quality and could all be fictional for all I can tell.  I agree though that information should go first into the season article, and only if that gets too long should a separate article be made. Jdorje 05:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be long enough, but the quality is really bad. Considering the lack of notability and that all of the information here could be put on the seasonal article (as that was the only notable storm of the year), I propose it be merged. Hurricanehink 20:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Central_America_Hurricane_of_1857]] 

message: I could find no evidence that this event actually happened.  There are no hurricanes for August 1904 in the best-track, a google search turns up nothing outside of wikipedia, and an anon posted to the talk page that "Great August Gale" usually refers to a storm of the '20s.  The article itself was written by an anon who had no other contributions.  Accordingly, I redirected the article to 1904.
Now on a related note, 1904 has mention of a Texas hurricane that killed 107 people, but this storm also didn't exist; the best-track for 1904 shows no hurricanes hitting texas and the pastdeadly list mentions only one storm from 1904 causing any fatalities: a storm that killed 87 in cuba.  However all I did was add  to this entry, I didn't delete it yet.  This brings to mind the question of date entries; we should make sure all notable storms - and only notable storms - are listed on the date and year pages.  A giant task.
Now on yet another related note, 1904 Atlantic hurricane season made no mention of any deaths in 1904.  I updated the cuba-storm section to mention the 87 deaths (the NHC cites a cuban publication as the source), and updated the season's infobox.
— jdorje (talk) 03:14, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[1904 Great August Gale]]

message: This is a top ten list of the best and worst articles ever written,
===Best===
1.- Hurricane Katrina
2.- Hurricane Dennis
3.- Hurricane Emily
4.- Hurricane Floyd
5.- Hurricane Ivan
6.- Hurricane Jeanne
7.- Hurricane Georges
8.- Hurricane Gaston
9.- 1900 Galveston Hurricane
10.-Hurricane Rita
Honorable Mentions- Hurricane Lili (1996), Hurricane Elena, Hurricane Wilma, Hurricane Stan and others.
===Worst===
1.- Hurricane Inez
2.- Typhoon Ma-on
3.- 1919 Florida Keys Hurricane
4.- 1914 Atlantic hurricane season
5.- Hurricane Edna- Please come on, this storm is more notable than that!
6.- 1984 Pacific hurricane season
7.- 1999 Pacific hurricane season
8.- 1998 Pacific hurricane season
9.- Hurricane Dora
10.-Hurricane Hilda
Dishonorable Mentions- 1928 Atlantic hurricane season, Typhoon Babe, Typhoon Pongsona, Typhoon Talim and other.
Storm05 18:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Katrina the best? That article is a mess, I beg to differ. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 21:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Worst - Hurricane Katrina, Hurricane Gaston.  As for best...see the FA-Class and A-Class articles (IMO many of the A-Class ones are better than the FA-Class ones, just because it's a tedious process to get them upgraded to FA-Class). — jdorje (talk) 02:20, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with so much of this I'm not even going to start, cuz I'm bound to get carried away. This section is unnessesary. It's WAY too subjective. -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 22:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. This whole section can be deleted or archived, IMO. Hurricanehink 22:46, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, it can be immediately archived.  I just had to chime in against any mention of Hurricane Katrina as the best TC article. — jdorje (talk) 22:50, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia Projecct Tropical Cyclones Best and Worst Articles of 2005

message: 1.- Hurricane Inez
2.- Typhoon Ma-on
3.- 1919 Florida Keys Hurricane
4.- 1914 Atlantic hurricane season
5.- Hurricane Edna- Please come on, this storm is more notable than that!
6.- 1984 Pacific hurricane season
7.- 1999 Pacific hurricane season
8.- 1998 Pacific hurricane season
9.- Hurricane Dora
10.-Hurricane Hilda
Dishonorable Mentions- 1928 Atlantic hurricane season, Typhoon Babe, Typhoon Pongsona, Typhoon Talim and other.
Storm05 18:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Worst

message: : Katrina the best? That article is a mess, I beg to differ. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 21:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Worst - Hurricane Katrina, Hurricane Gaston.  As for best...see the FA-Class and A-Class articles (IMO many of the A-Class ones are better than the FA-Class ones, just because it's a tedious process to get them upgraded to FA-Class). — jdorje (talk) 02:20, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with so much of this I'm not even going to start, cuz I'm bound to get carried away. This section is unnessesary. It's WAY too subjective. -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 22:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. This whole section can be deleted or archived, IMO. Hurricanehink 22:46, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, it can be immediately archived.  I just had to chime in against any mention of Hurricane Katrina as the best TC article. — jdorje (talk) 22:50, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Best/worst discussion

message: Just to let you know, I am currently working on the Northeastern Hemisphere in the tropical cyclone project. The North Indian seasons are almost done, and the Western Pacific is slowly coming along. I am basically doing this all myself, so it is going to take some time, but this sector of the Tropical Cyclone project is coming along. A todo list to finish:
*1950-1984 Pacific typhoon seasons (all separate articles)
*Decadal articles for Pacific typhoons back to 1800
*Century articles for Pacific typhoons back to 1600
*Pre-1600 Pacific typhoon season
*1982-1984 North Indian cyclone seasons (Done)
Come to think of it, you should appoint someone in charge of each basin. I notice the Southern Hemisphere seasons is going nowhere, the Eastern Pacific is almost done, and the Atlantic is done except for minor things (infoboxes). Hurricanehink 20:42, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think appointing people will work...we need people to step up to take responsibility for each basin.  Having one person in charge of each basin (except possibly the Atlantic basin, which is both larger and closer to most editors' hearts) is probably a good idea, but we need volunteers for this.  For the moment it sounds like you've volunteered for the EPac and Nindian basins. Jdorje 21:57, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The NIndian is done right now, so now I am working on WPAC. Maybe you should personally ask someone if they're interested. Hurricanehink 02:55, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Whoops, my bad. I just thought based on the formats of the other basins (Pacific typhoon, Atlantic hurricane) that it would North Indian cyclone. Sorry to cause extra work, but on the bright side, the basin is done!
===New Articles===
I've made two new articles for the Southern Hemisphere Cyclones Storm05 18:19, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Whos checking the Southern Hemisphere Cyclones article because there are two new articles waiting to be checked. Storm05 16:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Pacific typhoon seasons]] and [[List of North Indian cyclone seasons|North Indian cyclones]] 

message: I've made two new articles for the Southern Hemisphere Cyclones Storm05 18:19, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whos checking the Southern Hemisphere Cyclones article because there are two new articles waiting to be checked. Storm05 16:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Articles

message: Per Portal talk:Tropical Cyclones#Move to Portal:Tropical cyclones?. I'm reposting the (as yet) brief discussion from there to here. Please state your minds (and note that I'm proposing to move both the Portal and this WikiProject). Blackcap (talk) 00:57, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically the C is capitalized to match Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical Cyclones.  If one is to be changed, they both should be...and there will be a lot of redirecting to fix (fortunately we make heavy use of templates, like , so it won't be as much as it otherwise would).  Don't change it unless you're willing to change it ALL. Jdorje 00:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm willing. I'd best wait a wee bit to get more opinions, though. Blackcap (talk) 00:53, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

text: As the namer of the wikiproject, I have no particular opinion.  We can rename it, but only if those who are going to do the work are willing to do all the work - don't leave it half-finished for the rest of us to clean up. Jdorje 04:02, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Are there any more templates apart from the ones at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical Cyclones#Templates and  for when I make the change? The rest is just using Special:Whatlinkshere/Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical Cyclones, AFAIK... anything I've overlooked? Blackcap (talk) 05:36, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

text: O.K., here goes: I'm a-moving it now. Blackcap (talk) (vandalfighters, take a look) 00:28, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  O.K.! It's been moved, the templates have been changed, the infoboxes have been moved, it's been de-capitalized, and there are no double redirects according to Special:Whatlinkshere/Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones. If I've not done something or I've done domething wrong, please tell me: AFAIK, though, it's all taken care of. Blackcap (talk) (vandalfighters, take a look) 01:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones]]? 

message: This is getting long. Should it be split up into basins, or at the very least, have a list of Notable Atlantic tropical cyclones? This could also list records on the Atlantic records page. The retired storms section is very long, and there are many under Off-Season, Canadian, and Unnamed. With a separate page, there could be more detail, and more organized. Hurricanehink 22:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In short: yes. Jdorje 22:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The retired ones, for example, should go to List of retired Atlantic hurricanes. CrazyC83 06:28, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Notable tropical cyclones 

message: Do we have a sample article yet? Should it be a season or a specific storm? I saw that notice on one or two other WikiProjects, and wondered if we should as well. Also, should some of this page be archived? It's very long (100 Kb). Hurricanehink 03:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe Hurricane Dennis, it's the supposed FAC.  We need one for seasons too...maybe one sample for each basin.  As for archives, I believe some archiving has already been done.  However any *discussion* archived should first have its results put in the appropriate place on the wikiproject page. Jdorje 03:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea for Dennis. For seasons, it should be 2004 Atlantic hurricane season, 1997 Pacific hurricane season, not sure about WPAC, 2000-2004 North Indian cyclone seasons, and 2004-05 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone season. Since some of the discussion is still ongoing, I'll leave it as is for now. Hurricanehink 15:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sample article 

message: I like Hurricanes.  I think I coild do good in the WikiProject.  Are you alowing users to join. — Hurricane Devon ( Talk ) 17:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure thing, the door is always open. Just add your name to the list of Participants on the main page of this wikiproject located here. Hurricanehink 17:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Hink. — Hurricane Devon ( Talk ) 01:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurricane Devon 

message: Found information about this hurricane. Also known  1893 Sea Island hurricane. I hope this information will be useful. juan andrés 02:32, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 1893 Charleston hurricane was not the same as the 1893 Sea Islands Hurricane.  Information on the charleston hurricane should be added to the 1893 Atlantic hurricane season article. Jdorje 20:48, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Found 1893 Charleston hurricane

message: There is a user who has been renaming tc season articles: 1971 Pacific hurricane season and 1980-81 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone season.  I left him a note, but I can't move them back or stop him from renaming more (except by creation of redirects from the names he would choose...which might not be a bad idea but would be very tedious as there are ~200 such redirects that would need to be created). Jdorje 20:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reasoning is based on a Wikipedia naming convention for article titles.  While I have no particular opinion on the convention, I had always thought 2005 Atlantic hurricane season was the official name for the season, as given by the NHC.  If we are to move these articles it will take a massive amount of work - very, horrendously, many hours of work.  All ~200 season articles have to be moved, all ~200 season categories deleted and created anew, and all 500-1000 (?) storm and dab articles recategorized and will have to have their links updated.  BTW, you can see the user's recent changes at . Jdorje 21:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh heh, he seems to have lost interest in the project of renaming after I pointed out to him how massive it was and instructed him to come here for further discussion.  However there are still several dozen articles that were renamed, and random links here and there (seemingly without pattern) that were changed. Jdorje 21:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 2002 Pacific hurricane season, however, has been messed up and now holds duplicate copies; the main copy has losts its revision history. Jdorje 21:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fixed now. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 21:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

text:  As for the naming convention, usually a WikiProject's own conventions can override the global conventions (and most conventions are developed through WikiProjects anyway). I'm going to move the pages back, but that leaves the question, what do we want to do? Titoxd(?!? - help us) 21:25, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote for putting it back. No need for the extra work. Hurricanehink 21:34, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did it already, but now we need to discuss whether we want to change it or not, as I've listed this on WP:RM. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 21:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2005atlan.shtml and elsewhere in the NHC site I think you can see 2005 Atlantic hurricane season is the official name format used for the Atlantic. Jdorje 21:52, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very true. IMO, there's no need to fix eeevvvveeerrryyy article when the current format is fine. Hurricanehink 21:57, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season names and renaming of season articles 

message: On ~~ 82.45.238.200 vandalized the page of 1999 Atlantic hurricane season in the sections of Gert and Irene.
* Reverted and warned. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 23:02, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Ive went back though the Atlantic hurricane articles and found that most of the articles are STUBS!, come on guys, you can do better than that.
Stub Hurricane Articles
*1890  
*1892
*1896
*1897
*1898
*1899
*1908
*1909
*1910
*1911
*1912
*1913
*1914
*1917
*1918
*1919
*1920
*1921
*1922
*1923
*1924
*1927
*1928
*1929
*1930
*1931
*1933
*1934
*1935
*1936
*1937
*1938
*1939
Storm05 19:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't have to make a list.  Just look at :Category:Tropical cyclone articles by quality. Jdorje 19:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub seasonal articles

message: Guys, please add Hurricane Dennis to your watchlists (click here to do so) as it will appear on the Main page as the featured article on February 6 and vandalism is to be expected. NSLE (T+C) 01:10, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 06:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The dennis article links to Hurricane Alex (2004), but this article is quite sub-par.  We should give it a little attention (or merge it) today (Deniis feature is tomorrow). — jdorje (talk) 19:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dennis FA on main page soon