Talk:Rendaku

message: I'll change "Rendaku thus remains partially unpredictable, sometimes presenting a problem even to native speakers, particularly in Japanese names." to "Rendaku thus remains partially unpredictable, sometimes presenting a problem even to native speakers, particularly in Japanese names, where rendaku occurs or fails to occur often without obvious cause."
-- unsigned by 172.132.87.40 at 15:01, 31 July 2004
Maybe this sentence is worth being split into two? Rs180216 (talk) 07:38, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  unpredictable 

message: "Group voice"!?  More like "following-muddy", no? Jpatokal 02:10, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Group voice

message: Hi,
Could you help me ?
I just started learning a while ago and I have no idea why 蓮華 is not written れんけ but れんげ and found this article.
Since there is no second consonant I was not sure if it is the same phanomenon or "げ" is just a rare reading.
I think it is a Rendaku case but wanted to ask :)
Also I would like to know how one can handle "no second consonant" cases and if they will allways change.
If this is not the way to ask such a thing I hope you drop me a line how to do it better ;)
Thanks for reading and answering 79.192.225.72 (talk) 02:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  蓮華 

message: "The "voicing" is not a strict change from voiceless  to voiced sounds, but rather the action of adding a dakuten  to the first kana of the portion being altered."
I don't think that is a good way to describe this phenomenon because it has nothing to do with the writing system.  The change occurs in the speech of illiterates and children as well, and as far as we know it occurred before writing entered Japan.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.180.47.247 (talk) 21:26, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The current wording is more accurate than simple voicing, as h does not become b simply by activating your vocal cords. As there is no adequate phonological term to describe this series of changes, the name of its written symbol is more than adequate. Further, while the "ten" part of dakuten refers to a dot, or written symbol, the daku portion refers to the sound change it represents, and is also found in the name of the change (ren*daku*). Before I ramble on any further, your change should have been reverted, as it was just as misleading, if not more, than the text you replaced. There's also the whole no-original-research stipulation. If the sources describe it as the addition of a (han)dakuten, then that is what it is.--Wlerin (talk) 02:23, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kana 

message: Romanizations of Japanese should not be in square brackets. Else they look like IPA, and it gets confusing.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 07:12, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brackets 

message: Unbelievably there was just a single kana with dakuten hidden somewhere in the depths of the article!
I added the corresponding hiragana to the examples given. I believe this greatly helps understanding. Of course there might be arguments against it, like "those words are rarely written in hiragana" or "these details belong in the kana articles", but I would like to argue that in any case this is much better than just the plain roomaji. --BjKa (talk) 10:45, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hiragana 

message: The last example does not exemplify Lyman's Law in the way it was described in the artice, since the second consonant of the second part of suno + tokage is a "k" which is an "un"voiced obstruent. Changed the explanation of Lyman's law, and added a reference.Logologics (talk) 15:54, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyamn's Law 

message: Please also add the 漢字 to the Examples. Jidanni (talk) 05:33, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please also add the 漢字 to the Examples 

message: on this page there is no mention of y changing, as only consonant changes are listed
however there are exampüles where y becomes b, for example the word fubuki (blizzard) 
it consists of the stem for the verb blow "fu.ku" and snow "yuki" which becomes buki  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.187.253.28 (talk) 09:41, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: 吹雪 fubuki does not come from 吹く fuku + 雪 yuki. It comes from the verb fubuku, which is probably a reduplication of 吹く fuku. The kanji 吹雪 are therefore ateji, or 熟字訓 to be more precise. So it involves —not —becoming .  is a palatal consonant and  is bilabial, while the very definition of rendaku is voicing of a homorganic consonant, so it would be quite a big leap if what you suggest was the case. Nardog (talk) 02:47, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consonants  undergoing rendaku 

message: There are hyphens in many of the examples, ostensibly showing morpheme boundaries, but currently they are inconsistent and some are inaccurate. For example, fu-ku should be fuk-u. Are they necessary? --Rdoegcd (talk) 22:08, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure exactly what hyphens in those words are supposed to mean, but they're always at syllable boundaries... AnonMoos (talk) 00:44, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyphens, morpheme boundaries 

message: It would be more useful if the examples also stated what is the voiced obstruent in the second element in each example. 89.139.191.144 (talk) 08:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyman's law 

message: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but the content of this edit doesn't sound like rendaku. The only compound word listed in the examples is 魔女, and the form it takes in the unspecified northern dialects in question also doesn't sound like rendaku. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Rendaku" in northern dialects?