Talk:Repression of science in the Soviet Union

message: The reason I removed the line that claimed that Art and literature was under strict ideologically restriction from the beginning of the Soviet Union, is that it seems to contradict with the information in this article:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_the_Soviet_Union (The Lenin Years)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.57.162.47 (talk) 22:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  update 

message: Why was this page moved? Is it only supposed to be about suppressed research? Shouldn't it talk about the research that went along smoothly as well? Everyking 20:42, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, I don't really have time to work on this, but that's the general outline (i.e. Loren Graham's, What Have We Learned About Science and Technology from the Russian Experience and Science and Technology in Russia and the Soviet Union) as far as I know it, which is by no means expertise but is something. --Fastfission 06:40, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: I copied this into the Research in the Soviet Union sunstub. At least something to start with. Mikkalai 08:11, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: Talk:Research in the Soviet Union still redirected to here, this seems to be undesirable as there are two separate articles. I will remove the redirect. - FrancisTyers 01:02, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: I will try to write something on this fascinating subject in the coming weeks. If anybody is interested in that issue, Google looks promising (nice suprise :D).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sociology in the Soviet Union 

message: Perhaps somebody can write on this subject? Sociology, for example, was suppressed there as well, and at least a decade longer than in SU (see Sociology in China, Suppressed_research_in_the_Soviet_Union#Sociology). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  23:40, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needed: Suppressed research in China 

message: I'm not in favour of the deletion of this article but now it has references it is important that the content carefully reflects the references. 
Graham, for instance, writes: "I am convinced that dialectical materialism has influenced the work of some Soviet scientists, that incertain cases these influences helped them to arrive at views that won them international recognition..."
and on p.10:
"Nonetheless, in the years immediatley after the revolution almost no one thought seriously that the Communist Party's supervision of intellectuals would extend from the realm of political activity to that of scientific theory itself."
On p.6. Graham makes the point that, taking the case of Lysenko, "Nothing in the philosophical system of dialectical materialism lends obvious support to any of Lysenko's views". In other words, the reference to dialecicatl materialism by the regime was entirely spurious.
(Science and philosophy in the Soviet Union)
The crude, Stalinist form of "dialectical materialism" was used merely as a cover for the political suppression of genuine science.Andysoh (talk) 13:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  deletion or improvement ? 

message: Vygotsky's psychology was never banned, despite what some authors claim. For this very reason, I am deleting the section on Psychology. --Yasya (talk) 21:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psychology 

message: First off, I want to clear up the idea that I'm in any way defending historic Soviet science policy. But at the same time, this article presents a kind of one-sided take on the history of science in the Soviet Union. I realize the article is about repression of science in the Soviet Union, but if one were to go by this article, one would not realize there were scientists like Alexander Oparin, Pyotr Kapitsa, and several other Nobel laureates who made important contributions to world science. In some cases, their work was impeded by the authorities (notably Oparin, who basically spent the Stalin period quietly towing the Lysenkoist line) while others managed to remain in official favor (Kapista even managed to have Stalin take his side in a conflict with Beria).
This article is several times longer than Science and technology in the Soviet Union and poorly integrated with it. My first instinct would be to merge the two, but on thinking about this, I think what would be better would be to build that article up, possibly with some material from this article, and have a subsection on "Suppression on research" which would summarize this article and have a link to it at the beginning. What is needed in this article is more on the relationship between official science and suppressed research and some larger historical context, rather than just a list of examples of research that was repressed. Translation of additional material from the corresponding Russian Wikipedia article would probably flesh it out too. Peter G Werner (talk) 01:31, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: One-sided take on Soviet science

message: This article doesn't link Sharashka. Xx236 (talk) 12:05, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sharashka]] 

message: The History paragraph is too short to explain the problem. It doesn't mention continuous rewriting of the history, as in 1994 by Orwell. Books were destroied or rewritten, eg. Beria article was to be replaced, Stalin replaced Trotsky during the revolution, phtographs were corrected.Xx236 (talk) 11:03, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I moved the page for two reasons: (a) this is a part of template about political repression in the USSR, and (b) it was not just censorship, but assassinations (e.g. Nikolai Koltsov), arrests, blacklisting to deprive researchers of any decent job, sending people to Gulag (e.g. Nikolay Timofeev-Ressovsky), etc. My very best wishes (talk) 00:13, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Other titles are possible and reasonable. French WP: "Repression of scientific research in the Soviet Union". Ruwiki: "Ideological control in Soviet science". But not censorship. Or "Ideological repression of Soviet science". "Ideological" is a little problematic, because a lot of that (like biology) did not contradict Marxism, Leninism, etc. In biology that was mostly related to the person of Lysenko; there was nothing ideological in genetics. They only used "Marxist" phraseology to justify the campaigns. My very best wishes (talk) 03:33, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: "Leon Trotsky had defended Einstein" - this statemnet is irrelevant WP:UNDUE: Trotsky has no inflyuence in Soviets at these times whatsoever. His views belong to his article. - Altenmann >talk 16:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is just a repetitive content; next para says the same. Hence I removed it.My very best wishes (talk) 17:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trotsky