Talk:Leonard Leo

message: Hi , I'm really very intrigued to see you claim just now that CREW is not a reliable source! It is the single most cited source (by number of articles cited) on the page of Arabella Advisors, where I observe you have been very active indeed.  (In fact, I see that the precise question of removing a CREW-cited claim was raised there, and you passed it over as apparently unmeritorious.)
 
So, let's decide and then we can both behave consistently: is CREW a reliable source, in which case it should stay here, or an unreliable source, in which case I am sure a fair, diligent, and vigilant editor such as yourself would also consent to having it removed on the Arabella Advisors page and elsewhere. For my part, I find it exceedingly reliable and am very happy to keep it on both pages, but I was curious to hear what you thought, and how you'd make your case in terms of the RS criteria. Thanks for your time! --Publius In The 21st Century (talk) 05:48, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Publius In The 21st Century Are you talking about Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) and the Center for Responsive Politics (OpenSecrets.org) (CRP) as the same thing? I don't see CREW as a source on Arabella at all. Tchouppy (talk) 15:13, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Tchouppy How preposterously foolish of me! But now that we are both here and I have your attention, and with apologies for my slow response, I'd be most grateful to get you on record in specifying what makes CREW (or the Daily Beast) unreliable and the CRP (or The Washington Free Beacon) reliable? Perhaps your chum Marquardtika might also care to comment? While we are at it, is 'dark money' a legitimate phrase (Arabella) or not (Leonard Leo/Judicial Crisis Network)? I don't have clear preferences here and am happy to go either way on this - the important thing seems to be clear about principles and consistent in applying them. With best wishesPublius In The 21st Century (talk) 01:29, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't determine what makes something an RS or not. But CRP/Opensecrets is pretty widely regarded as reliable. As for 'dark money,' I detest the phrase and would gladly remove it from all articles, but that's not my call. If the RS uses the term 'dark money' then it gets to stay. Is it possible I removed it from an article when it was backed by a RS, maybe. I am human after all and not perfect.Tchouppy (talk) 16:16, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: CREW: a RS? Let's be consistent!

message: Building on the conversation above. Collecting recent articles here, to try and determine Leo's relationship to HEP.
The Conservative Stalwart Challenging the Far-Right Legal Theory That Could Subvert American Democracy - The New Yorker, Oct. 19, 2022
Election Lie Supporters Ask Supreme Court To Bless Radical Election Changes - HuffPost, Oct. 9, 2022
So is Leo just "linked to" HEP or is the organization actually led and run by him, as HuffPost suggests? I think we still need more sources. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 09:10, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leonard Leo & the Honest Elections Project 

message: There's a dispute about whether the Campaign for Accountability accusations mentioned in the Guardian article should be included. As with any BLP, we need to be very cautious including pejorative material, especially when the article subject has not responded. Anyone can "call for an investigation" but that doesn't mean a crime has been committed or even that the authorities think the accusations merit an investigation. BBQboffin (talk) 07:08, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. This newly launched investigation may become noteworthy if it gains traction, but it's too early to say. We need to wait for sustained coverage in independent sources. And we need to make sure any content is neutral ("lavish" is a subjective assessment and we shouldn't say it in wiki voice). Marquardtika (talk) 20:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with not having the material in the article as this stage of the game. Campaign for Accountability has an article on WP. I read far enough into Campaign for Accountability#Activities to see instances of the group filing lawsuits, and not getting very far with them. It's pretty easy to file a complaint or make an allegation. I don't think that WP should be littered up with "so-and-so filed a complaint against Person X" especially when the entity filing the complaint is on the opposite side of the political aisle from the person or group they filed the complaint against. I'd think that when an official government entity starts to take a side (for example, opens an investigation, convenes a grand jury, or similar) then it might be time to add that to the person's article. (Although even then, you might want to wait until a judge weighs in, because they might dismiss it right off the bat.) Until an official government agency does something though, it's just someone filing a complaint. Novellasyes (talk) 17:33, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP concerns 

message: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/01/dark-money-leonard-leo-judicial-activism-00084864
Source to be included for Politico investigation. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 19:33, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark money and special deals: How Leonard Leo and his friends benefited from his judicial activism 

message: That's the title of this article. Might be of use. Doug Weller talk 12:26, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  How Trump adviser manipulates free speech to advance his causes and ‘hurt his adversaries’ 

message: On the Media and ProPublica are producing a podcast series on Leonard, the first episode of which is now available - lots of info. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 19:22, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Would there be any reason not to add that series of "On the Media" programs under "External links? (I wonder this for other subjects of long-form radio stories, podcasts, interviews. Not sure best how to archive them, either. Thanks for the advice.) Johannes der Taucher (talk) 20:58, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Just added this text version to 'External Links' - probably easier in this text-based medium than linking to the podcasts directly? Superb Owl (talk) 07:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks great to me. Thank you so much. Johannes der Taucher (talk) 23:12, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Podcast on Leo