Talk:Al Gore/Archive 7

message: Isn't it unnecessarily vague to use the phrase "pro-life"?  Is this phrase understood in English speaking areas other than the United States?
Arstchnca 14:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation of my revert [Abortion] 

message: Statements like "Gore was misrepresented" are not facts and shouldn't be on the page. Wikipedia readers may deduce it by reading Gore's CNN comments and comparing it to others' comments, but they should reach that conclusion by themselves.
*Why? Gore said X. Other people said Gore said Y. That's misrepresentation. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 00:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems well cited on the Gore Bill page. JPotter 19:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Instead of its own section, I think it would make more sense for this to be incorporated into the education part of the "Early life" section.  Also, I think we should be more objective about his grades.  If we have a source for his cumulative GPA, we can simply state it, without any opinion on how it might contrast with his test scores.  (Also, I don't think the "genius" classification is taken very seriously anymore.)  --Allen 21:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internet creation issue 

message: Al Gore, known for his "intellectual" personality had a SAT score of 1355 (625 in verbal and 730 in math) Washington Post: Gore's Grades Belie Image of Studiousness.  Al Gore's IQ from tests administered in 1961 and 1964 respectively, have been recorded to be 133 and 134 Washington Post: Gore's Grades Belie Image of Studiousness.  Both IQ scores are in the 98 – 99.3 percentile.  Despite his high IQ scores and a strong showing on the SAT, Gore's performance during his undergraduate education at Harvard was not very good Washington Post: Gore's Grades Belie Image of Studiousness.  Al Gore's undergraduate GPA has been rumored to be around 2.2, a fact that has yet to be confirmed or denied.
*Start again. Any time you're (a) using sneer quotes, or anything that can reasonably be mistaken for sneer quotes, and (b) putting in rumors that have "yet to be confirmed or denied", then you're in POV territory. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 13:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of its own section, I think it would make more sense for this to be incorporated into the education part of the "Early life" section.  Also, I think we should be more objective about his grades.  If we have a source for his cumulative GPA, we can simply state it, without any opinion on how it might contrast with his test scores.  (Also, I don't think the "genius" classification is taken very seriously anymore.)  --Allen 21:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting Academic Facts

message: Anyone mention his drunk driving arrest ?? Headphonos 15:34, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Drunk driving

message: I placed the article under semi-protection (yet again).  There haven't been any legitimate edits to the article in awhile, while the IP vandalism seems pretty constant.  If anyone has a problem with the protection, please let me know. · j e r s y k o talk · 19:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps more completely protect against moving? It was just moved to "Total idiot" (again) a little while ago. I can't imagine a valid reason for anyone to move it at the moment. --John Owens | (talk) 13:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protect 

message: Does anyone have a problem with removing the text "Gore was alleged to have said that he was a much more important influence on the novel than he was" from the triva section?  It is uncited and ambiguous. What does "much more important influence" mean? The controversies page covers this topic and has a citation where the author says that Al Gore and Tommy Lee Jones were the basis for the main character in the novel. Without defining "much more important influence" it is difficult to see how Al Gore's claim to any level of importance can be questioned.--12.149.111.5 00:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Love Story Trivia 

message: Tucker on MSNBC said he is worth millions from a questionable deal with Google, what is this about, why isn't it here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.206.165.61 (talk) 00:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Worth Millions?

message: I feel like the section on the environment does not provide a good summary of Gore's record.  The artical states that Gore's record does not live up to Nader's standards.  Without further info this statement is pretty much useless.  Gore's mixed record on environmental issues has been overshadowed by the praise he has received for making An Inconvenient Truth.  The league of conservation voters gave him a mediocre lifetime rating of 64 percent going into the primary with Bradley--hardly anything to be proud of, and pretty contradictory to what he now says he cares about.  I think a re-write or at least a thorough editing is waranted.  Any thoughts? Jamec378 19:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  rewrite environment section 

message: I started a discussion at WP:VPP#Including alledged Nobel Prize nominations in bios on this issue.  It may well eventually be moved off the Village Pump policy page at some point in the future, but it seemed a good place to get the discussion started. —Doug Bell talk 12:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice of centralized discussion on inclusion of [[Nobel Prize]] nominations in bios 

message: YOU SAY:
This article is about the former Vice President of the United States. For his father, Congressman from Tennessee, see Albert Gore, Sr. 
IT SHOULD SAY:
This article is about the former Vice President of the United States. For his father, U.S. Senator from Tennessee, see Albert Gore, Sr. 
210.200.105.214 02:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dab notice 

message: There is a libelous text: "Bill asshole" is not the name of the president, under whom Al Gore was vice president. It was Bill Clinton. (84.153.44.117 11:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's... nice... I'm sorry, where in the article does it say Bill asshole, cos I am just not seeing it WookMuff 11:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The president's name was not "Bill asshole" 

message: I did a search on this to see what would happen and got a redirect to Al Gore. This seems is POV. Can we change it please.--Blackmage337 21:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Without prejudice regarding its accuracy, I deleted the redirect. —Doug Bell talk 21:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: FYI—I scanned the list of pages that link to the article (almost 2000 of them) and there are no other inappropriate redirects. —Doug Bell talk 05:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete Idiot?! 

message: Why is there no "Criticisms" section in the AL Gore article? Articles on prominent political figures (i.e. Ronald Reagan, etc.) on Wikipedia have one. There is a link to a "Controversies" article, but if you look at the history of that article you see (rightly) that anything the editors deem a criticism, not a controversy, is systematically removed from there, to the point that many of the criticisms in the original article are gone. It seems to be a pattern; the criticisms are moved to the controversy page, they are eventually labeled not technically controversies, and then they are removed. Don't get me wrong..I don't know Al Gore from a hole in the head and don't have any factual information to contribute, but it seems like a strange break in standard procedure. The Controversies section seems toothless for such a prominent person and a poor substitute for an honest section on criticisms. For that matter, why was the Controversies section moved to a separate page in the first place...it seems to only leave, at best, an incomplete picture of the man in his biography. .--Anonymous 21 Sunday, 2007-02-11 T 23:11 UTC)
Good point since Gore is a Gulfstream evironmentalist (someone who preaches about the environment than takes private jets everywhere)Giza D 22:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Criticism of Al Gore is not allowed. The priests of the New Age Environmental Religion will be very angry with you if you suggest such a thing, don't you know that? Seriously, you all are correct. This is a hugely biased love-fest for Gore. Check ou the Dick Cheney article and see if he gets the same lovey-dovey treatment. (hint: He doesn't, nor does any Republican fare very well on WP.) - Nhprman 15:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms 

message: al gore uses flies aroung the world on private jets and then lectures the rest of us about glaobal warming? i had to add this fact. Keltik31 14:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please pay attention; this was discussed at least twice last year (apparently archived now). Gore's air travel is explicitly mentioned in the article already, so go read paragraph 4 of the Environment section and stop crying "censorship" when the fact is that you are trolling (either intentionally or out of ignorance). Frankie 17:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  global warming contradiction 

message: To be integrated into the article once sourced.
* Gore and his former college roommate Tommy Lee Jones were the basis for the male lead role in the novel Love Story by Erich Segal.
* Gore climbed to the summit of Mt. Rainier in 1999.http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/102700/gen_ease.shtml
*On 11 February 2007, Gore, with Queen Latifah, presented the award for "Best Rock Album" to the Red Hot Chili Peppers at the 49th Annual Grammy Awards. Jiffypopmetaltop 19:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have to admit that last one is pretty funny. Tvoz | talk 23:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  trivia removed 

message: Yeah, so, at the beginning of the "Promoting Enviornmental Awareness" it says, and I quote:
"IT HAS JUST BEEN REPORTED THAT AL GORE CONSUMES AS MUCH ELECTRICITY EACH MONTH AS THE AVERAGE AMERICAN FAMILY CONSUMES IN ONE YEAR!!!!"
Would this be classified as vanadlizism or what? Wassamatta 00:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Promoting Enviornmental Awareness

message: Al Gore criticisms and misconceptions, created yesterday, is clearly a WP:POV fork of Al Gore controversies. It should be AFD'd. Derex 02:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV fork

message: Should someone put in the "I used to be the next President of the United States of America." quite as something of a controversial remark?Wikifriendawesome 12:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Line 

message: I tagged this article for it's non-neutrality due to all criticism of the subject being segregated into a different sub-article with a link to it being buried at the bottom of this article while at the same time this very article contains a substantial section on Criticism of the Bush administration. This article was HYPOCRITICAL --Jayzel 20:45, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know we have a history and that you are obviously still angry. However, I removed the section. I hope that makes you happier. Please try to be civil. Jiffypopmetaltop 22:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know who you are, nor do I care, but I would appreciate it if you did not censor out my personal comments. Calling a section of an article hypocritical has nothing to do with a "personal attack"; it wasn't even directed at anyone in particular; it was an attack on the article's content. Cheers! --Jayzel 22:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. Please be civil. Jiffypopmetaltop 22:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please be civil and stop censorship. This article WAS hypocritical --Jayzel 22:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't accuse me of vandalism and censorship. Please be civil in all future exchanges. Thanks. Jiffypopmetaltop 23:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Please stop it. Jiffypopmetaltop 23:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously, there is no need to make disparaging remarks. Jiffypopmetaltop 23:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are now vandalizing this page. Please stop. Jiffypopmetaltop 23:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please be civil and stop attacking me. --Jayzel 23:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Nothing new. Jayzel has been begging for an RFC for a long time. Derex 23:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV tag

message: It's rare that one has a section with only a main article link in it. I think it would reduce the appearance of POV to include in the controversies section a paragraph summarizing Al Gore controversies. I'll try to write something. — PyTom 08:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your effort. I think it looks like a pretty good summary and goes a long way to making this page npov. We can however take out the linking sources as they are in the main controversy article.Jiffypopmetaltop 18:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Section heading

message: Why isn't there some place to add criticisms of his positions on the environment?  For example, this site claims that his Tennessee estate uses more than 20 times the national average home electricity in kilowatt-hours, and it's been increasing over the last few years:
:http://www.tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.php?article_id=367
--MrWhipple 04:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already on the controversy page. Look to the bottom of the article. Jiffypopmetaltop 04:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The energy he uses at his home is actually Green. (Runwiththewind 15:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Where did he get "green" the gas lanterns that line his walkway.. Heck is poolhouse alone burns more natural gas per week than your average nieghborhood. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.244.153.46 (talk) 18:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It's pretty clear that the Tennessee Policy Group is indeed a right-wing group.  However, their info about Al Gore's house appears to be more or less true.  This article should at least mention that Al Gore's mansion uses a lot of energy.  It's noteworthy since Al Gore is an environmentalist.  A neutral article should contain negative aspects of someone in addition to positive aspects.  JackWilliams 04:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: What the hell does that mean? If Gore buys a jillion kw then the TVA is contracted to buy that jillion kw from united windfarms or whoever, where does the non-green power come in? Also, the information that somebody's home which contains a business/office component which is probably bigger than half the businesses in Tennessee, happens to use a lot more electricity than  most homes, is non-notable to the point of trivia; applied to Gore, it sort of smells POV. Gzuckier 16:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Please sign your comments.  We aren't here to debate Al Gore's house, but the "Tennessee Center for Policy Research" is a highly questionable source, as the state evidently does not regard them as a legitimate think tank.  At the least, this should be explicitly stated, since their funding is explicitly right wing and partisan.  It's POV and doesn't belong.--FNV 04:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Read the article. His claims for creating the internet are well cited. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.244.153.46 (talk) 18:39, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: "Hi, my name is Al Gore, and I invented the internet" How does anyone take that man seriously?oh that's right, they don't LOL--RCT 21:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism of environmental stance 

message: Gore announced a new grandchild, Oscar who was born to his eldest daughter in December 2006. Expressed the coincidence that his new grandson's name is Oscar when he won the Oscar. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jofer (talk • contribs) 20:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New grandchild 

message: I'm surprised there's nothing here about the heaps of stereotypes and oft-derided persona quirks he has--being "stiff," being "too smart" or overeducated, etc. These are subjects of a lot of pop culture, and in real-world terms severely hurt his likability. Torie 16:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stereotyping & Persona 

message: "Lieberman, who is a more conservative Democrat than Gore, had publicly admonished President Clinton for speaking unambiguously to the U.S. people about the Lewinsky scandal." 
Why does it say "the U.S. people"?  In conventional English, it is almost always "the American people".  It just sounds funny to me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.65.145.194 (talk) 19:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar suggestion 

message: Just reading the part of the article gives me the impression that there wasn't very much notable able the election except for the voting controversy in Florida.  Does anyone want to add some material?
The style sounds a little funny.  Some parts sounds bitter, others matter of fact.  Of course, it was probably written by many people and modified by many more.Dereks1x 01:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2000 Election suggestion?

message: Please add the link to Ido Wikipedia's article - io:Al GoreThank you,:io:User:Joao Xavier 02:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please add io:Al Gore

message: read somewhere that Gore was considering running for president for the Green Party
anyone else hear that? 12.164.129.203 21:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not in a million years. Jiffypopmetaltop 02:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confrim? 

message: Actually the readable prose in this article is 44K which is not that much larger than guidelines, so
I think the "too long" tag is not needed.  For an explanation of "readable prose" see Wikipedia:Article size#What is and is not included as "readable prose".  Tvoz |talk 08:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: User Hetfield1987 made same tag edit to Bill Clinton without commenting on discussion page.  I suggest we should not allow the "too long" tag on this article either unless consensus is otherwise.  Gruber76 21:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it. Tvoz |talk 21:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  article length 

message: I see no where where it says how Gore invented the internet? Is this Bushs work to discount the Eienstien of our time? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.218.71.183 (talk) 20:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gores super-genius stature is diminished in this article 

message: Seriously? All critisisms of the man have been moved to a separate page? How is this article not the opitome of a POV article?  All critisims of statements, policy and viewpoints have been systematically removed from this page. This is one of the worst examples of political wiki hackery that I have ever seen. :) And then it gets locked as such... well done whoever you are. You win this round. Wiki looses.
: Please note that the page is only locked against anonymous and new-user edits.  This is generally done on pages that see a lot of vandalism, and is truly not intended to quash discussion or criticism of an article's content. You might want to consider setting up an account so that your contributions to Wikipedia can be properly attributed and you can partake fully in the community.  Gruber76 18:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most one sided article ever