Talk:Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet

message: I have added Content from the German article to add to this one. The following points need clearing up: 
* The first paragraphs of both articles are very different, and so I have left it alone - but that does not mean it could modified....
* There are no references, although I suppose the RFCs define it ( ? ) . 
* The usual caps / technical terms issue. 
Regards
ACH 17:00, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

message: Where is IPCP located in the table provided?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.17.236.67 (talk) 07:50, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPCP and PPPoE and TCP/IP protocol stack 

message: Why is this article titled PPPoE, when every other protocol in the Internet protocol suite has its name spelled out?  I propose that we move the page to Point-to-Point Protocol over Ethernet, to match the article for PPP. — EagleOne\Talk 20:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - in the interest of consistency. One could just put a redirect at PPPoE. ACH 10:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I posted a similar request on Talk:PPPoA today.  If no one objects in a coulpe of days, I'll move the pages and fix the redirects. — EagleOne\Talk 17:58, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title

message: ADSL is afaict atm based yet some providers use PPPoE rather than PPPoA or even allow both. How exactly does this fit in? Plugwash 01:45, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Fit in" in what sense?  Yes, ADSL is ATM-based.  Some providers run bridged Ethernet over ATM, and then run PPPoE over that.  Some providers run PPPoA, and avoid using Ethernet at all.  Some providers run bridged Ethernet over ATM and don't bother running PPPoE over that. Guy Harris 00:42, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Reading the old Technical Report produced by the ADSL Forum back in 2001, it seems that they supported many combinations of existing protocols, from IP running directly over AAL5/ATM, or using PPP in between them helped by PPPoA or L2TP, or using Ethenet+L2TP, or both PPP and Ethernet. 14.203.84.92 (talk) 07:53, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  PPPoE and atm 

message: Could a short section be added that gives the average user a simpler description?  For example...
* Where does the average user set PPPoE? Must it be set on each computer in the local network?
* Why would PPPoE be necessary for DSL but (apparently) not for cable modems?  Doesn't the Ethernet network itself (including router etc.) look the same in both cases? So why would the type of modem (DSL versus cable) make a difference?
* Regarding the statement "By using PPPoE, users can virtually "dial" from one machine to another over an Ethernet network", what does this typically look like to the user? Don't most modern operating systems already provide this?
This would help average readers better understand what PPPoE is actually used for.
3dimen (talk) 23:27, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section for average user 

message: I'm struggling to understand the difference here - the section 'How PPPoE fits in' seems to imply that they both run over ATM and both involve RFC2684 bridging. Can someone make this a bit clearer? Kisch (talk) 12:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically, PPPoEoE takes the whole ethernet frame with its embedded PPPoE packet and encapsulates it into ATM frames on the other side, effectively bridging the ethernet network (i.e. making it appear that there's a virtual ethernet network extending from the client's site to the ISP's.) PPPoEoA, on the other hand, takes the embedded PPPoE packets out of the ethernet frames and encapsulates them in ATM, more of a relaying or forwarding process. -- Steved424 (talk) 09:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  PPPoEoE vs PPPoEoA 

message: My service provider had an outage of late. eventually after phoning a couple of times resetting my router to default etc. they told me to set up a PPPoE connection, now it works. On my mega105wr router my internet led does not come on, only the dsl led is on. My router in the web based management does not show it has a ip address or default gateway. Why is this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steggos (talk • contribs) 07:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: With PPPoE, your "router" is actually operating below the IP layer, merely forwarding PPPoE packets from the ISP to your PC. In this setup, it's your PC which runs PPP, and so gets an IP address assigned and needs a default route. Because of this, you should make sure you have a firewall running on your PC - such as the one that comes with (I think) XP SP2 and later. -- Steved424 (talk) 09:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed to PPPoE connection 

message: most users are basically intrested in the way computers are connected to intrenet. so i'va added a introduction with the help of a block diagram to create the intrest of newbie about the layers of protocol and devices involved  in the connection to internet and thier importane.
regards
--gursimar singh mohar 15:01, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  broadband connection 

message: When the overhead for a 1492 byte payload is calculated as \frac{1500-1492}{1492}=\frac{8}{1492}, I would expect to calculate the overload for a 60 byte payload as \frac{8}{60} which results in 13.33 %. Therefore I doubt the mentioned 15.3 %. -- Simon04 (talk) 15:31, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhead 

message: The quirks section claims that PPPoEoA is different from PPPoA. I don't quite see the difference, especially since PPPoA can use either VC multiplexing or LLC encapsulation. Can someone clarify this ? The second diagram might have to be modified, or perhaps titled differently. Bomazi (talk) 21:42, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  PPPoEoA vs PPPoA 

message: I was about to remove all instances of "speak" in the article where it was inappropriate, and replace them with more appropriate terms, because it sounds like a colloquialism. Surely, electronic equipment communicate with each other using protocols, not simply shout into the air like people do.
Seeing as the use of this term is very pervasive in this article, I decided not to, because I'm not knowledgeable in PPPoE, and it's been known for colloquialisms to become normal technical language in computing circles (i.e. window, file, folder, mirror, etc). But if someone who knows a lot about PPPoE is reading this, and knows that "PPPoE-speaking" is not a technical term, please replace it with more appropriate terms. --BurritoBazooka (talk) 21:26, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  PPPoE-speaking?? 

message: Why is Frontier DSL (bought out what was formerly Verizon DSL) switching to PPPoE from DHCP? The article makes it sound like DHCP is the future and PPPoE has nothing but extra unnecessary snags? I work for a company that has an ISP portion thru Frontier lines. I heard it was to monitor outages on the network easier, but I don't see how a drylooped phone line number is not easy to monitor for outages.
--Lakecityransom (talk) 02:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've not seen any source saying that DHCP has obsoleted PPPoE (or IPCP to be more precise). Since it was basically unsourced speculation, I've deleted it. The GPON spec indeed does not provide for PPPoE configuration, however, ZTE, a manufacturer of GPON equipment, has seen fit to patent (in 2010) a certain use of PPPoE over/with GPON, and they argue in the patent that it's quite useful... Someone not using his real name (talk) 05:52, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

text: A bit of googling shows that a fair number of other ISPs use GPON with PPPoE, e.g. Orange France Globe Telecom . Also other equipment mgfs. (besides ZTE) support PPPoE with GPON e.g. the Alcatel/Lucent 7342 ONT family, Huawei HG8245 ONT, Alphion AONT-1240 or the Tellabs 1100 OLT (google and you'll find a PDF brochure each of these). So I'm not buying that PPPoE is on its last legs. You wouldn't see all these manufacturers bothering with something that is patented (in some way) and not in the GPON standard if it made no practical sense. Someone not using his real name (talk) 06:34, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Also there are various documents by the Broadband Forum which mandate (to the extent that their guidelines are taken seriously) that PPPoE must be implemented, even with new techs like EPON, e.g. TR-200 "Using EPON in the Context of TR-101" (2011)  says "The OLT and the multiple-subscriber ONU MUST be able to perform the PPPoE Intermediate Agent function, as specified in Section 3.9.2/TR-101." Someone not using his real name (talk) 06:43, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Also, there's definitely FIOS in Maryland (I lived there) but if I select that state, the page says "PPPoE Based on your state selection, your Verizon High Speed Internet connection probably utilizes PPPoE (Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet)." LULZ. I'm deleting the claim that they switched to DHCP (everywhere). Someone not using his real name (talk) 08:45, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  DHCP to PPPoE 

message: Also, Verizon has a page  "Am I on a DHCP or PPPoE network? Your location determines whether you are on a DHCP or PPPoE network. Select your state below to find out which network you are on." which suggests they don't even use the same method in all states (though probably some of that service is still DSL)... Someone not using his real name (talk) 08:42, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, there's definitely FIOS in Maryland (I lived there) but if I select that state, the page says "PPPoE Based on your state selection, your Verizon High Speed Internet connection probably utilizes PPPoE (Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet)." LULZ. I'm deleting the claim that they switched to DHCP (everywhere). Someone not using his real name (talk) 08:45, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verizon 

message: This is a good source for information - https://www.broadband-forum.org/technical/download/TR-043.pdf - comparing the various protocol stacks - in Section 3.2 and App B and C. 14.203.85.11 (talk) 05:14, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  ADSL Protocol Comparison 

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