Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Task Forces/Roller coasters/Archive 1

message: Per the discussion on the Roller coaster page, please user "Roller coaster" instead of "Roller Coaster" in naming wiki items.  Thx.  SpikeJones 13:01, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, but it would probably be a little much to move the whole thing to Wikipedia:WikiProject Roller coasters. Dusso Janladde 06:24, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but for those items that mattered that were already listed, I did go through and change references that would have led to dead links or confusion otherwise.  Best example would be for the Roller coaster template or infobox (or the Project Box that's been added to the RC pages) -- something that hasn't been created yet but proposed.  SpikeJones 12:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming convention 

message: I'm thinking that maybe it would be a good idea to add RCDB links to the coaster stats template (the same way that movies have a link to IMDB)
WillMcC 16:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: I have no idea who they are, but they're listed as the designer for a LOT of coasters, so we definitely need an article on them. I've checked the German Wikipedia, they don't have anything either. Dusso Janladde 06:43, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, this is a company formed by Werner Stengel, legendary coaster engineer.  He's worked on some of the big rides from Intamin AG like Kingda Ka and Millennium Force.  In fact, there's an article on him, but I didn't see one for the company which has a website at http://www.rcstengel.com/ Stratosphere 02:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ingenieur Büro Stengel GmbH 

message: While you're creating the infobox for roller coasters, not only take a look at RCDB, but also keep in mind the RC article that mentions the elements that are required for a coaster (rider experience, height, track design, mechanics, etc.)   Don't make the template more complicated than it needs to be. SpikeJones 13:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: Is there precedent for this designation?  I've never heard of a roller coaster between 100 and 199 feet being refered to as a "kilocoaster."  I googled the term and the only references to the term were this page and answers.com which gets it's information from Wikipedia. Stratosphere 22:35, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kilocoaster? 

message: Hi, anybody here know anything about LimmyLand? I've been trying to find some Reliable sources for the information on that page but I'm not having much luck. I wonder if the page isn't a Practical joke. Anybody heard about the B&M Hypercoaster thats apparently due to open at the park in 2006? --ericthefish 08:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  LimmyLand 

message: The articles Launch track and Launched roller coaster seem to be for the most part redundant, but each contains slightly different information. Would it be useful to merge them (I'm not sure which way) and replace one of them with a redirect? --R'nway 17:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Launched Coasters 

message: Does anyone have a GFDL-compliant photo of this wooden marvel? It's way to bad-ass of a coaster to go without an image on wikipedia.  youngamerican (talk) 23:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Beast (roller coaster)]] 

message: The guidelines say to use Coaster Name (roller coaster) instead of Coaster Name (disambiguation).  However, if the coaster name refers to several coasters and several non-coaster items, should we create both articles and link (dab) to (roller coaster), or just use (dab)?. --Phantom784 12:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, it would probably be better to just use (dab), having one dab page link to another would not be good. Dusso Janladde 20:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dab pages 

message: Brain Teaser is up for deletion via WP:AFD. This isn't my article, but if it's deleted, it sets the prescident for many small coasters to be deleted, such as Mild Thing, which runs counter to this Wikiproject and also will make a lot of park templates look dumb and/or be incomplete, since they can't include all coasters. Anyone who disagrees with this deletion should comment at  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brain Teaser ASAP --Rehcsif 18:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brain Teaser 

message: I propose moving Category:Wooden roller coasters and Category:Steel roller coasters directly underneath Category:Roller coasters, rather than under the subcat Category:Types of roller coasters.  Wood and Steel seem to be on a different level than the other types (racing, bobsled, launched, etc), and it currently makes it hard to browse the category list to find whether a specific coaster currently has an article.  Comments?   --Rehcsif 18:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category reorg 

message: If the result of Brain Teaser's AfD is to delete and merge with Six Flags Darien Lake, it will set a precedent for deleting articles on "kiddie coasters". Probably the main reason why it was nominated was that, aside from the infobox and park template, it was just one sentence. So, if the article is deleted and the precedent set, this is what I propose we do:
# Modify  so that its auto-categorization can be turned off, such as with a "categorize" parameter with a default value of "yes", where a value of "no" would not place the article in which the infobox is used into any categories. This would allow it to be used on articles other than coaster articles without placing the article into inappropriate categories.
# For new articles on kiddie coasters (leave existing ones as articles unless someone AfD's them), start them as a section on the park's page, using the infobox with auto-categorization turned off. Link the park template to the coaster's section.
# Once the section on the coaster can no longer be considered a stub and has at least one picture, move it to its own article and link the park template to the article.
All of this, of course, would only apply to "kiddie coasters". For ALL other coasters, we will maintain our current course of action. Dusso Janladde 20:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good news!  The article survived AFD.  Now we need to concentrate on getting 'real' articles for all coasters, particularly the smaller ones that people might consider "non-notable" unless we work to prove that they are worth keeping.  It's hard to defend a kiddie-coaster article with only a few sentences in it...  --Rehcsif 21:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed course of action if [[Brain Teaser]] is deleted 

message: Hi im new and I have a suggestion (btw how do you add your name to the list of wikipedians in the project?) Before we start making all the new rollercoaster pages wouldnt it be a better idea to create the pages for all the missing manufacturers on the list? And all the track types (figure of 8, mobius ect). This would make it easier to link back to these pages as we create rollercoaster pages --Hydro the Water Wizard 16:12, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: Hey, I've added my name to the list, and contact me on my talk page for stuff regarding the project. :)
- Marvin x Gaara 20:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joining Project 

message: On a recent trip to two theme parks in Texas, I took high quality videos from two different roller coasters (the Great White and The Rattler) using a snuck-aboard camera.  Unfortunately, they're (obviously) large, and I can't post them to Wikipedia (POST size too large) and I don't have the bandwidth to host them.  They'd make great additions to the articles, but I don't know how to deal with them.  Suggestions?  Email me at meqme@daqughtersoftiqresias.org (remove qs to despammify). -- Rei 04:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing that comes to mind is hosting them on YouTube, and linking as an external link.  But there's a sub-movement on Wikipedia (which I oppose) to delete external links to any site with ads (with few exceptions) and I've seen a number of YouTube-hosted video links get axed just because of this.  (personal rant:  the "keep it free, right down to the external links" community here in WP is way too militant for the good of the encyclopedia.  After all, people have to pay for bandwith somehow -- I even have ads on my personal site which doesn't make me rich, but does help pay the expenses of the otherwise hobby site... )  --Rehcsif 04:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Videos 

message: There is a bit of a disagreement on the page Dragon Mountain regarding how tall terrain coasters are. I argue that the highest to the lowest point (186 ft.) is a the best assessment of height, per www.rcdb.com's entry for Dragon Mountain. Other sites provide a substantially lower height of 80 ft. (although this is not cited in the article). RCDB seems to be generally regarded as our most reliable source. I argue that we use their value of 186, given that changing these criteria would result in the height for any particular terrain coaster being put into an uncertain state. Best, Irongargoyle 04:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height of Terrain Coasters 

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thread_title:  Tagging talk pages and assessing articles 

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replies: text: Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now put the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 23:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Directory 

message: I thought the TfD for  somewhat concerns this wikiproject, so I thought I would mention it here. Irongargoyle 02:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call.  I'm a member of this project, and it was me who brought it up for deletion.  I think the current template is a mess (way to large) and there's no criterion for what "noteworthy" means.  It's pretty much a templatized category now...  Plus nobody would discuss how to improve it on the template's talk page.  --Rehcsif 03:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template for deletion 

message: Ive noticed that Pinfari, a major coaster manufacturer which was liquidated in 2004 does not have a page. Perhaps someone with a lot of Knowledge about them should make a page.Coaster Kid 19:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinfari needs page 

message: I have recently submitted a request for a WikiProject: Theme Parks. If we get enough support for this and I know this is the right place to ask for it as if successful, this will no doubt be a sub-project of it. Please support it because at the moment, many theme park articles are in a terrible state. For an example of improvements one can make to an amusement/theme park article, have a look at the difference between the Dreamworld article in September of this year and now. --Lakeyboy 11:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is long overdue.  I thought about starting it many months ago, but didn't really have the time to do it right.  But I just signed up in support of it.  --Rehcsif 17:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support needed for new [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Theme Parks|WikiProject for Amusement/Theme Parks]] 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afriad) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 15:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: I noticed on the list of Wikipedia:WikiProjects, there are individual WikiProjects for Walt Disney World, Hersheypark, and Silver Dollar City; but there is no WikiProject for amusement parks in general.  I saw that Paramount's Kings Dominion (which needs its quality scale re-assessed) is only in WikiProject Virginia, rather than an amusement parks WikiProject.  Would anyone here be interested in getting a new WikiProject started for amusement parks, or in helping me start one? --Idont Havaname (Talk) 05:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amusement parks WikiProject? 

message: Here is something I've been considering for a while about photographs of roller coasters. Back quite some time ago I uploaded a whole bunch of fair use promotional images of roller coasters (at the time not knowing the replacability criteria). It's true that anyone could go out and take a photograph of a roller coaster and freely license it. BUT, here's the thing... Couldn't one argue that a rollercoaster is a work of three-dimensional art and thus ONLY allowable under fair use per ? Thus being (except in the case of old coasters) irreplaceable fair use (albeit under a different criteria). Let me know what you think. Irongargoyle 21:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IANAL, but it seems to me that the design of a roller coaster is usually primarily functional in nature, not artistic (i.e., the roller coaster is designed primarily to provide a thrill ride, not to be admired as art). —Bkell (talk) 22:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use of Roller Coaster photos 

message: After cleaning up after another user going on a link-adding spree, I think we should set up some sort of standard when it comes to every coaster page. 
Links to consider:
* RCDB - Use the infobox for each coaster, don't add them to the bottom
* Fan sites - We should avoid them if at all possible, especially if RCDB's resources are adequate. There could be some exceptions, such as some parks with little or no information (ie. Fantazy Land) and the site provides a unique resource
* Official sites - We should have a link to the park's official page about the ride(s)
* Videos - Do we really need them? Theme Park Review, YouTube, and some other sites have some great collections of videos, but this is an encyclopedia we're writing here.
* Pictures - If RCDB has good quality pictures OR people can post picture galleries on the coaster's page, a link won't be needed
In addition, we should work at posting  tags
--WillMcC 19:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite sure what you're reacting to, but the coaster pages I've seen haven't had too many irrelavant links...  --Rehcsif 17:00, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link standards 

message: Hello all, I am a ride operator at Six Flags Fiesta Texas. I am currently going through supervisor training and in the process learning more and more about all the rides at my park, from the floorless Superman Krypton Coaster to the spinning Kinderstein. I would like to help in any way that I can. 
--Spidey23 03:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ride Operator Wanting to Help 

message: I, personally, don't think that it needs to be included in the Spinning roller coaster article. It needs its own page, the two models are nothing alike, even RCDB classifies the two as different.  (Coasterman1234 20:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th Dimensional Coaster 

message: Hey guys, my name is Matt, I'm new to being registered at Wikipedia but the Drachen Fire post has bothered me for a long time so I thought I'd register.  The entire section under "History" is essentially speculation and compilation of popular rumor and myth about the coaster, without any sort of citation or way to verify any of the Arrow/B&M stuff.  I know it's popular rumor and theory and everything but unless someone can confirm any of this (and to my knowledge it never has been) from a real, authoritative source I don't believe it should go in the article.  
#6 Key Policy:
"Add only information based on reliable sources. Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable published sources, and these sources should be cited so that other editors can check articles. (See Wikipedia:Attribution)."  Mdrobinson00 12:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to WP!  My own opinion is that the article clearly states these are unconfirmed rumors.  There should probably be cites to some sources of these rumors (e.g. RCDB or some of the coaster forums, or more preferably, a more legit news source or trade publication). But as long as the article states they are rumors, they are prevalant enough that I think they belong in the article.  You should probably move your comment to the Drachen Fire talk page as it has to do with that article, not the RC project in general.  Thanks.  --Rehcsif 17:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see you've already commented on the DF talk page.  Let's continue all discussion on this topic there.  --Rehcsif 17:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Drachen Fire entry is really bad 

message: I've been reviewing several coaster articles and an incredible number of them need grammar and word usage changes.  I'd be happy to work on some of these myself but my time commitment would only be a drop in the bucket compared to the sheer number of articles out there.  Quite a few articles are really well done and in keeping with the Wikipedia spirit but it strikes me it would almost be appropriate to get some sort of team together to systematically go over every article to check for basic spelling and word usage stuff.     Just in the Busch Gardens Williamsburg coasters I've found 3 or 4 spelling issues. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mdrobinson00 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a chronic problem with Wikipedia, not just this project.  I'm often known to run the Google Toolbar's spell check on pages as I edit them...  --Rehcsif 17:02, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  There needs to be some sort of grammar and syntax review 

message: Do roller coaster articles really need spoiler warnings?  It's not as if knowing what's involved in the ride will hurt the initial experience...  --Rehcsif 17:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler Warnings? 

message: Hello,
I've added the hCard and Geo microformats to ,  and . Please use  with display=inline,title for the coordinates attribute. Andy Mabbett 16:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Microformat and coordinates 

message: I've started an article about "Gerstlauer Amusement Rides GmbH". It's a translation based upon the German article, which was also written by me. I'd like you to help me to improve the article. Greetings -- Valerius Myotis 09:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Gerstlauer]] 

message: I just created the following barnstar for contributions to this wikiproject, the amusement parks wikiproject (cross-posted there) and related articles. 
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thread_title:  New barnstar 

message: Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pegasus (roller coaster), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cyclops (roller coaster), and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zeus (roller coaster). --Idont Havaname (Talk) 02:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Mt. Olympus coasters are now up for deletion 

message: * 20 August Thunderbolt (Celebration City) --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:PROD]] nominations 

message: I created a new :category:Amusement park images and :category:Roller coaster images to make it easier to keep track of any images we have here about amusement parks and roller coasters. --Tinned Elk 21:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea man. It seems like most of the images in the latter should be ported to Commons, actually. There shouldn't be a whole lot of pictures in there unless they're of Drachen Fire or such. ALTON .ıl 23:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image category 

message: I just recently created this article, as there are a lot of references to it over Wikipedia. If anyone wants to fix up the links and also expand the article, they are more then welcome. I would also like to have an article about Mitch Hawker's polls, since they are more accurate (though lesser known outside enthusiast communities) WillMcC 18:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I second the comment about Mitch Hawker's polls. They've been around for many years and are more statistically sound than the Golden Ticket polls. Definitely deserving of their own article. --Skylights76 18:05, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Golden Ticket Awards]] 

message: Oh, nice job, whoever reformatted the page. ALTON .ıl 23:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New page 

message: This article really needs splitting up - at the moment, both spinning coasters and 4th dimension coasters are being redirected to the article. As I see it, the article should be solely about the former, with a new article being created for the latter. If anyone has some spare time, I think this definitely needs sorting out soonish. Seaserpent85Talk 23:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Spinning roller coaster]] 

message: Hi,
As some of you may know, I'm working on what's currently a self-project of making articles for all of the rollercoasters from Morey's Piers, and Six Flags Great Adventure.  Since creating them, I've wanted to use images from RCDB on the articles.
I'm not sure how you get the permission to use them though.
Do any of you have any idea how you obtain permission to use images from RCDB?
Thanks,
--Mooshykris 20:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the images on RCDB have the author listed. The full sized version of the pictures usually have the author's name and contact information below them, and you should ask if they could release it under a free license (i.e. GFDL or Creative Commons) --WillMcC 20:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images