Talk:Orient Express

message: Every date in this article is wikilinked.  Is this really necessary?  --81.66.138.25 16:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Only full dates need to be linked, so users' date preferences will work, as in 8 August 2006. Go ahead and unlink the years, I agree they're annoying and of no real worth. --Guinnog 17:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikilinking Dates? 

message: This article would really be enhanced greatly by the inclusion of map or maps to show the route(s) of the service.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 146.130.69.200 (talk • contribs) 06:53, October 4, 2006.
:It seems to me that a good starting point for reference material would be the route map included in the advertising poster.  Duplicate that route line on a more complete map of the region. Slambo (Speak) 13:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Route map 

message: This paragraph mentions that the treaty of Saint-Germain forced Austria to accept the train, which obviously did not run through Vienna. However, did it pass through Austria at all? It is not mentioned in the text. It should be the case, otherwise the clause in the treaty would be useless, however a train running through Milan, Venice and Triest does not pass the new Austrian territory after World War One. - 84.114.147.101 13:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  World War One 

message: "One interesting feature of the current Orient Express train is its heterogeneous assembly of rolling material coming from France, Germany, Austria, and previously, Hungary and Romania, which allowed people to easily compare the choices of these countries and to choose the one that suited one most. Of course, the sleeping car and the wagon-restaurant previously belonging to the Compagnie Internationale de Wagons-Lits are sometimes there too."
As you can see in the German version of the article, the Orient Express consists of ÖBB cars only, although there are come CNL through carriages from Dortmund to Vienna, also the dining car comes from Dortmund and not from Strasbourg. The sleeping cars do not belong to the CIWL, the CIWL only provides services in those cars. Could somebody who understands German well correct the English version?
88.117.72.207 10:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot read German, but I'll remove the unsourced sentence.--Dans (talk) 15:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orient Express today 

message: I saw from this website that the Orient Express had also made a trip to Hong Kong in 1988. I think we should include the trip in this article.  69.255.197.173 (talk) 23:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed that entry in the Records section as the above link is dead, and this link  states that the VSOE was not the train on this route ("... Fuji Television and Hitachi sponsored a sensational tour Paris - Hong Kong. [...] Initially, the Japanese sponsors had asked James Sherwood, but his VSOE was busy on the Venice route.") and there's no mention of it being a record-breaking route (it may well have been, but not confirmed there). Am leaving this info here in case anyone else can elaborate or find more references... - 91.85.182.124 (talk) 22:04, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hong Kong

message: sorry only in French & Dutch, but most of the information from 'Wagons-Lits' and briefly mentioned in the Guiness Book.
"Si le coeur vous en disait, et si vous ne redoutiez pas un voyage à toute vapeur de 2 000 km, nous serions heureux de vous voir vous joindre à nous...
Nous partons de Paris mardi 10 octobre nous serons à Vienne mercredi soir...".
C'est en ces termes que Georges Nagelmackers, en 1882, convia ses invités à un trajet inaugural.
http://www.wagons-lits.com/pullman_orient_express.html
..’preview’ in de vorm van een traject Parijs-Wenen-Parijs, dat zal worden afgelegd door de zogenaamde ‘Train Eclair de luxe’.
..vertrekken op dinsdag 10 oktober om 18:40 vanuit Parijs (Gare de Strasbourg)..
..De ‘bliksemtrein’ bestaat uit drie drieassige slaapwagens met elk 14 plaatsen en één rijtuig met 16 plaatsen dat de voorloper is van de rijtuigen op draaistellen die pas zo’n twintig jaar later in gebruik zullen komen.
(samenstelling volgens plan blz 176: 1: fourgon, 2: slaapwagen 16 plaatsen, 3: slaapwagen 14 plaatsen, 4: restaurantrijtuig nr. 107, 5: slaapwagen 14 plaatsen, 6. slaapwagen 14 plaatsen, 7. fourgon = 101 ton)
Boek: De Oriënt-Express - Reis naar Constantinopel -  - Wettelijk Depot D/1997/5890/21, blz 136 & 176
Op 10 oktober 1882 om 18:31 vertrekt de trein in de Gare de Strasbourg met bestemming Wenen.
.. ’s anderendaags 11 oktober om 23:20 stoomt de trein het station van Wenen binnen.
..De terugreis naar Parijs is gepland op vrijdag 13 oktober om 16:40. Ondanks alle bijgeloof zet de ‘Train Eclair’ een opmerkelijke prestatie neer, want op zaterdag 14 oktober komt hij zoals gepland aan in Parijs en om 20:00 rijdt hij binnen in de Gare de Strasbourg.
..1e menu aan boord (10/10/1882): oesters, soep met Italiaanse deegwaren, tarbot met groene saus, kip ‘à la chasseur’, rundsfilet met châteauaardappelen, chaud-froid van wild, salade, chocoladepudding en dessertbuffet.
Boek: De Oriënt-Express - Reis naar Constantinopel -  - Wettelijk Depot D/1997/5890/21, blz 138
1882 - Train Eclair, Parijs - Wenen, proefritten op 10 en 13 oktober.
Boek: Het Groot Guinness Treinen Boek (bijgewerkt tot 1982) - , blz 164
Wdew (talk) 13:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Train Eclair de Luxe (test train)

message: Le 5 juin 1883, le train Express d'Orient est créé entre Paris et Vienne.
Il est composé de deux fourgons dont l'un est réservé au service postal, d'une voiture-restaurant et d'au moins deux voitures-lits.
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/roland.arzul/wl/orientexpress.htm
L'Orient Express
Le 5 juin 1883, le train Express d'Orient est créé entre Paris et Vienne.
Il est composé de deux fourgons dont l'un est réservé au service postal, d'une voiture-restaurant et d'au moins deux voitures-lits.
A partir d'octobre de la mème année, le service est prolongé Paris, Strasbourg, Vienne, Budabest, Bucarest- Giurgiu.
Après une traversée du Danube en bateau, train autrichien de Rustchuk à Varna, où les passagers embarquent à bord du navire "Espero" pour Constantinople.
Le voyage dure 4 jours.
En 1884, la liaison Paris-Budabest est quotidienne.
En 1889, la liaison est assurée entièrement par rail jusqu'à Constantinople, en 67 heures et 35 minutes.
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/roland.arzul/wl/orientexpress.htm
1883-5-6 inauguration du Train-Express-Orient que l'on appellera Orient-Express.
http://www.quid.fr/2000/Q042850.htm
Inauguration, le 05/06/1883, de l' "Orient - Express", premier train de luxe international (en EU).
http://christophe.lachenal.free.fr/francais/education/fr_education_historique.html
1883 - Oriënt Express, 5 juni: Parijs - Giurgewo; 4 oktober officiële openingsrit; 1884: doorgaand naar Nis; 1889: naar Constantinopel.
Boek: Het Groot Guinness Treinen Boek (bijgewerkt tot 1982) - , blz 164
Am 5. Juni 1883 startete mit dem Orient-Express der erste Luxuszug zwischen Paris und Wien und ab dem 9. Mai 1896 der Nord-Express von Paris nach St. Petersburg. Diese Schnellzüge führten nur die erste Wagenklasse, konnten nur gegen hohe Zuschläge benutzt werden und standen damit nur einem kleinen Kreis von Nutzern zur Verfügung.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Zug
Wdew (talk) 13:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: First Express d'Orient from Paris to Vienne

message: 1er juin 1889 : départ du premier Orient-Express circulant sans transbordement de Paris à Constantinople par l'itinéraire de Budapest-Belgrade-Sofia 
http://www.laviedurail.com/culturerail/histoire/panorama/pan_voies.php?SID=2004063002383644C11D98
le 1er juin 1889 " l'Orient-Express " circula sans transbordement de Paris à Constantinople, sa marche accusant une diminution de durée de trajet de 14 heures (durée totale : 67h35)
http://www.laviedurail.com/culturerail/histoire/panorama/pan_orientexp.php?SID=2005082203383555BBCB17
1889-1-6 la voie Belgrade-Nish-Sofia-Constantinople ayant été achevée, le voyage se fait entièrement par fer de Paris à Constantinople : 3 186 km en 67 h 35.
http://www.quid.fr/2000/Q042850.htm
The first through train between Vienna and Istanbul ran on August 12, 1888. Through running of the Orient Express between Paris and Istanbul started on June 1, 1889.
http://www.gregoriou.itgo.com/photo2.html
De eerste reizigerstrein die Turkijë binnenreed (onjuist) was de beroemde 'Oriënt Express' die op 1 juni 1889 doorgaand van Parijs tot Constantinopel kon rijden.
Boek: Het Groot Guinness Treinen Boek (bijgewerkt tot 1982) - , blz 178-179
1889:  The line is completed, and direct Paris-Constantinople operation starts in June 1889.  The Orient Express leaves Paris (Gare de Strasbourg, now renamed Gare de l'Est) every night at 18:25.  It has daily sleepers for Vienna, twice-weekly sleepers on Sundays & Wednesdays for Constantinople, and twice-weekly sleepers on Monday & Friday for Bucharest.  Arrival in Constantinople was at 16:00, 3 nights (67.5 hours) from Paris.
http://www.seat61.com/OrientExpress.htm
1889, Europe's Orient Express completes arrangements for travel between Paris and Constantinople without change of train. The first through train leaves the Gare de l'Est June 1 and arrives at Constantinople in 67 hours, 35 minutes - more than 13 hours faster than in 1883 but 7½ hours slower than the time that will be standard within 10 years.
http://www.answers.com/topic/1889
Wdew (talk) 13:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First direct Express d'Orient 

message: Would it be a good idea to discuss, list or at least mention the locomotives that had the most extensive service records on this line? I mean by class of locomotive of course (as opposed to any one specific locomotive)... However, I don't actually have alot of infomation about what locomotives were used on this line, so someone else would have to input this idea if accepted...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vor'Cha (talk • contribs) 15:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locomotives used? 

message: first of all, please forgive me my bad english - I try my best to express my question ;-(
I have a little problem with the date and route of the last ride.
Here in the Article it is mentioned, the 14th of Dec (this was a Monday). The Source NPR says: on 14th the Train disapear - so I guess the last ride was on Sunday 13th, Dec (who will take a last famous ride when he have a Sunday before? Or disapear the last ride while drive? I don't think so)
The other thing is the Route - the Source say: Steves points out that there are actually two Orient Expresses...and takes people from London to Venice. It's the other Orient Express that's taking its final trip. (oh man, I love things like this).
But nowhere in the Article it is mentioned wich Route the last ride was. Next quote: "The historic Orient Express — that's the one that was established back in the 1880s — that took you from Paris or London to Istanbul," he says.. erm... the last Ride cannot go from Paris or London. Do anybody knows now the two last Stations? The goal was Istanbul, I guess - but was the Start in Paris or London? Thanks in advice -- Hartmann Schedel cheers 20:40, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: At first - read the article in the de-WP, most of your questions will be explained there. Notwithstanding the private-owned and operated historic trains like Venice Simplon Orient Express (and these are the trains mentioned in your source) the very last Orient Express driven by different european state railways ran between Strasbourg and Vienna, starting in both directions on the last day of the timetable 2009, 12th December, and arriving next morning in its final destination. See Orient_Express#EN468-469_Orient-Express. No Orient Express ever started in London, but over decades the Orient Express had through coaches from Calais or Boulogne, providing service with channel ferries and boat trains between London and Dover. Passengers had to change twice, from the boat train to the ferry, from ferry to through coach. --Wahldresdner (talk) 17:47, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  the very last Ride 2009 

message: The 07x23 episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, called "Emergence," takes place on a holodeck Orient Express. This should be added to the TV section. Nahum (talk) 06:54, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star Trek: The Next Generation 

message: This article is in today's "On this day..." on the front page and the teaser says that it was known for its "intrigue and luxury", both of which are not detailed well in the article.  What sort of intrigue happened on the train?  What luxury accomodations were available on this train and not on others?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.103.84.36 (talk) 13:19, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's the intrigue? 

message: It would be nice to know how long the routes were and how long the journey's took.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.228.242.84 (talk) 10:50, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distance and time 

message: Accor has announced that in partnership with SNCF that they are bringing back the Orient Express, should a new article be created or should it be added in here as it is a relaunch of the brand? Jaedenediting (talk) 00:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  La Dolce Vita/Accor