Talk:Broccoli

message: I'm no nutritionist, but the article says broccoli is low on protein, but here it says the opposite. How come? --uKER (talk) 03:07, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The Reference Daily Intake for protein from all foods consumed (see table) is 50 grams/day, and broccoli (in a 100 gram reference amount) provides 2.8 grams or 6% of the RDI. According to food labeling guidelines, such as here (similar to the USA and other countries), 6% RDI falls within the "low" to "contains" category. The article as stated is correct. Thanks. --Zefr (talk) 04:12, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a satirical promotion effort in ~2012 that made the (true) point that on calorie-for-calorie basis, broccoli has as much protein as meat. Of course the standard 100 gram serving of broccoli has very few calories as well. It is not "low in protein", but it is not a "good dietary protein source" because it contains too much water. I suspect that amusing contrast has made, and will make, broccoli protein a contentious issue on Wikipedia. I encourage anyone editing to choose their words with precision so that the statement is true. Phytism (talk) 23:01, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Low in protein? 

message: Why is broccoli listed in Categories: Cyanide-containing foods?  Cyanide is not mentioned anywhere in the article. Ruralgal (talk) 15:43, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Cruciferous vegetables - among which broccoli is one - contain the phytochemical, isothiocyanate (shown in the Taste subsection), which is metabolized by the enzyme, myrosinase, and so isothiocyanate may be converted to a small amount of cyanide. In food science and medicine, discussed partly in this in vitro study PMID 25271103, this is considered a normal biochemical process which in my opinion is too trivial (and unencyclopedic) to discuss in the article. --Zefr (talk) 16:18, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Cyanide-containing food is an incorrect description, thus is is appropriate to remove it from the article. Crucifers contain glucosinolates that can be broken down to isothiocyanates (not cyanide). The isothiocyanate is volatile, so any further conversion will happen outside the plant. Free cyanide is not a direct product of breakdown. Consuming crucifers does not expose the eater to any cyanide.  Phytism (talk) 18:53, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyanide? 

message: The etymology section states: "The Broccoli family, whose members include Albert R. Broccoli and Barbara Broccoli and are known in the 20th and 21st century for producing the James Bond films, also claim that the vegetable is named after their ancestors, the Broccolis of Carrara." and cites two sources. Obviously I'm convinced that some members of the family have made that claim - but I'm skeptical that making that claim is itself relevant. What's the bar here for how likely the claim has to be true before it's relevant here? I could definitely understand putting this claim in an entry on Albert Broccoli, but to me it feels strange on the entry for the plant itself. The articles that are linked provide pretty thin evidence for the claim. This is the entirety of the evidence: "According to research done in Florence by Broccoli’s wife of 30 years, Dana, the brothers were descended from the Broccolis of Carrera, who first crossed two Italian vegetables, cauliflower and rabe, to produce the dark green, thick-stalked vegetable that took their name and eventually supported them in the United States."
This research is clearly not published or widely accepted as true. I do not see it referenced even in online articles specifically about the origins of broccoli where it's always just attributed to Etruscans. Sample from thespruceeats.com: "It was engineered from a cabbage relative by the Etruscans—an ancient Italian civilization who lived in what is now Tuscany—who were considered to be horticultural geniuses."
It seems to me that if we generally agreed that there was no truth whatsoever to the claim the family was making, that the claim would not meet the bar for inclusion in this article. And if it were thought to be 99% likely to be true, then it would make perfect sense to be listed here. But there's no way at all to verify the claim from the evidence and links given, and I would submit that there's no particular reason to trust private "research done by Dana Broccoli". Should this claim stay? AngolaMaldives (talk) 23:15, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree and revised here. Zefr (talk) 00:21, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Bond Broccoli family 

message: This revert was justified because 1) the journal Molecules is an MDPI journal that is likely compromised by predatory publishing practices, i.e., the authors may have paid to have the paper published, and editorial review of the publication may have been thin or absent - see disclaimer on WP:CITEWATCH where Molecules is listed among MDPI publications; 2) there is nothing in the review on human studies to give confidence about any in vivo effects of sulforaphane or glucoraphanin. The paper mainly covers lab studies and weak clinical trials, and does not satisfy as a WP:MEDRS review. See WP:MEDASSESS which encourages use of a high-quality review (e.g., a Cochrane review) of Phase III clinical trials to imply an anti-disease effect in the encyclopedia. No such late-stage clinical trials or review exist for sulforaphane. There is no good evidence presented in a reputable review or clinical guideline that eating broccoli or using sulforaphane supplements can affect the risk of cancer or any disease. Zefr (talk) 15:30, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you mean to also remove the thing about carotenoids in the same edit? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 15:52, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The carotenoids statement and source remained as the last sentence, although only beta-carotene was mentioned in the PDF. Only a few carotenoids were assessed in that 2009 study; other than beta-carotene (which converts in metabolism to vitamin A), the remaining ones are not pronutrients, so are of no interest to nutrition. Zefr (talk) 16:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  2019 Sulforaphane review