Talk:German military administration in occupied France during World War II

message: This note is to justify a change in a photo caption.
I have added a well-known historic photo to this page, of a Parisian weeping as German troops occupy his city.  Little is known of the origins of this photo, certainly not the identity of the man or why he cries.  It has been widely assumed that he is sorrowful, since he is witnessing foreign troops enter his home, the surrender of his armed forces, and the capitulation of his government.  I had always understood that this was the general sentiment throughout France, and certainly in occupied (non-Vichy) France.
The original caption stated simply that the man weeps.  This was the caption provided by the photo source (www.archives.gov) and the same caption that appears elsewhere in Wikipedia.  The new caption adds "in joy or sorrow".  The addition adds unnecessary ambiguity, and makes a strong implication away from the general consensus on this photo.
I am open to other opinions about this photo, if they can be sourced.  The caption was changed without comment.  I am reverting.  Please discuss if you disagree.
I know for a fact that the picture in question was taken int he city of Marseille, and that the man is Italian. I'll try and look for hard evidence.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.67.46 (talk) 02:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weeping Frenchman question

message: The caption says "A Frenchman weeps as German soldiers march into the French capital, Paris, on June 14, 1940, after the Allied armies had been driven back across France", however: 1) It doesn't make sense as it's extremely doubtful there was a civilian crowd to greet German soldiers in Paris. 2) The same picture on Commons tells a different and more believable story, supported by a movie  (very end) showing the same scene in context.
In light of this, I'm editing the text of the picture accordingly and captions where used.82.231.41.7 (talk) 13:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Altering Caption 

message: I disagree with the caption to the picture of the yellow Star of David. Only in the Occupied Zone were Jews over the age of 6 required to wear the star. It was never imposed by Vichy and I do not believe that French Jews in the so-called "Free Zone" were ever made to wear it. Dick Kimball (talk) 20:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jews 

message: I would like to change the start date from May to 22 June 1940, ie from the start to end of the Battle of France also the end of the French Third Republic. Opinions? 
Rsloch (talk) 12:47, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: It's important to sort out the mess that are the WWII articles.
All input welcome. Thank you. walk victor falk talk 20:11, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Talk:France during World War II]]

message: The term is just a literal translation from the French label.  The work I have seen in English tends to use the term "forced labor"; this accurately describes the process where people were forced to leave home and country to work for the Germans.  In English, obligation tends to have a more passive sense. Joel Mc (talk) 06:36, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to change section title: Obligatory Work Service

message: *WP:CONCISE is policy, so support Neutral Red Slash 16:11, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: , leaving aside the discussion about the proper scope of this article and the inferority of alternative titles that this article has wandered across back and forth as per the message I left on 's talk page, let's examine just how concise the title can be. "Military Administration in France" is a given, as it is the plain and straightforward translation. "during World War WII" must be added, to dab from other occupations of France in history. Already we have quite a mouthful in "Military Administration in France during World War WII". Then "German" must be added, to disambiguate from the Italian military administrations, and that it was not some administration of the French military. So only "occupied" could hypothetically be removed, yielding German military administration in France during World War II. This is now a classic and traditional WP:CONCISE vs WP:PRECISE contest, in deciding whether to leave out "occupied" or not. On the pro side, having it clarifies that it related to the occupied zones, the occupied zone and later the north zone and the south zone, and is not related to annexed Alsace-Lorraine or the "free zone", which can said to be part of the history of the occupation of France when speaking loosely (and often is in less stringent historical accounts). As the marginal loss of conciseness is very small for adding just one word to an already rather long title, I think this is a case of better safe than sorry. walk victor falk talk 18:45, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, is there a reason why we have to translate the title? I now recognize the distinction and why it's necessary, so I'll drop out and say "neutral". Thanks for the excellent lesson! Red Slash 01:05, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What, you mean leaving it as Militärverwaltung in Frankreich? walk victor falk talk 01:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The French government will award France′s highest decoration, the Legion of Honor (Ordre national de la Légion d'honneur) to any surviving veteran who actively participated in France′s liberation from Nazi occupation. <U>References</U>: News From France newsletter of the French Embassy to the United States, v14.02, March 2009 and Purple Heart magazine of the Military Order of the Purple Heart (but I′ve gone through my old copies back to 2009 without locating the article). I recomment this information for DYK on the Main Page, preferably on the anniversary of D-Day on June 6<SUP>th</SUP>, Operation Dragoon on August 2<SUP>nd</SUP>, or the Liberation of Paris on August 25<SUP>th</SUP> if those events are mentioned in OTD or the day′s featured article.<BR><B>☺</B> Dick Kimball (talk) 16:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Award of Legion of Honor 

message: This article is suffering a bit at the moment from a crisis of identity. As it seems to me, articles on the German military administration in France (the polity) and the German occupation of France are both valid subjects for articles in their own right, but this article seems to be just a confused mix between the two. In fact, it reads more like an umbrella article covering all occupations in France which is frankly confusing when coupled with the Military Administration-Paris infobox and the bizarre title. 
I know this has been debated before, but please, please can we rename this so that it actually does what it says on the tin? I suggest that we have a "Military Administration in France" article (covering the administration itself) and a "German occupation of France during World War II" article (a summary article, covering life in occupied france, the resistance, collaboration and an explanation of all the zones). I suggest this article is moved back to its proper place as the first of the two with some judicious trimming to return it to the scope. —Brigade Piron (talk) 15:57, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Identity crisis? 

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message: The photo at the bottom labelled "German army band in Bordeaux, 1942" does not seem to depict any "place" in Bordeaux. Can anyone verify where in Bordeaux it was taken? The general architecture and layout in fact look much more like Paris, but no hotel or cafe "de Bordeaux" matching the photo currently exists in that city either. 186.78.28.75 (talk) 19:26, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of German army band in Bordeaux, 1942.