Talk:Wyandanch, New York

message: :  Heading edited for more description by czar · · 01:30, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The history section definitely dominates the article and could use some paring down to make it more concise and useful to more casual readers. Additionally, although a source is included, the history section contains no inline citations (footnotes), so we don't know where in the source the information is from. Hopefully someone can get his/her hands on the source material and add the footnotes, preferably the individual(s) who added the information in the first place. --JBC3 (talk) 08:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Move history section to new page

message: :Heading added for new topic by czar · · 01:30, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defense of length 

message: :  Heading edited for more description by czar · · 01:30, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I broke out the general History section to its own article again per the conversation above. I'm going to start going through it and work up a summary for it to put back in the main article here. It seems like as decent a place to start as any. The same could probably be done for most of the other sections. Then I figure the smaller and more manageable subsection articles could be gone through for converting sources into footnotes and whatever rewriting needs to be done to make them more encyclopedic. Some, like notable natives are probably small enough to work with all on their own in the existing article. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:27, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Well put; agreed. It was very frightening when I first came upon this article. And the article is still growing at a rate of 10 KB a week or so. Gary King (talk) 16:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If it helps, I see ~ 4 IP edits a day on average. Either someone really likes his hometown or doesn't understand the term "summary style", no offense. And please pardon the comparison, but... This article reads like Bulbasaur when it was FA'd. That's bad. —Jeremy (v^_^v Dittobori) 04:46, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I'm afraid I'm at a loss for how to write a summary for the history section. I'm having trouble even picking out general trends to talk about. I've been trying to figure out when Wyandanch itself was founded and what few hard facts are in the new article I split out appear to be contradicted by Deer Park, New York#History. If someone can make heads or tails of it, please help. For now, I've just put in what there was for history from 2 years ago, when it was an actual (if unsourced) summary. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:13, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ldoughist responds: What is now Wyandanch, NY evolved. Originally it was part of Half Way Hollow Hills, later as my history clearly indicates: it was named: West Deer Park, Wyandance and finally Wyandanch (1903) by the Long Island Railroad. Don't waste your time using Wikipedia's Deer Park, New York article as a source. It is rife with errors and is worthless. As I said in my history: Deer Park (1853) and West Deer Park (1875 evolved out of Half Way Hollow Hills. I have no problem with you professionals altering the form of this badly needed article, but if you are going to significantly edit the substance (i.e. the facts of this much misunderstood community-the poorest and most oppressed on Long Island-then all my material added over the past two years should beremoved and I'll look for another website such as Google Page Creator.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.230.106 (talk) 20:47, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate that the other article is inaccurate, and I don't wish to remove your well-sourced encyclopedic information. I apologize if I gave any impression to that effect. What I wish to do is make it readable so that the included information is readily accessible. What I was attempting to say above is simply that I am unable to figure out a way to summarize the information. You say that the history clearly indicates the name changes; i say that it does not clearly indicate them to me, and so I have done what I could and copied an old History section in as the summary. If you or anyone else can provide a better summary than I have, then I request and encourage that it be done. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:49, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Actually, the old history summary concisely suumarizes the evolution of the names Wyandanch has had. You can leave it as you placed it. You do seem like a reasonable person. Ldoughist.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.230.106 (talk) 22:56, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Ldoughist: I know this is a long article but it is 96% completed. Most of the recent additions have been sources which have repeatedly been requested. — 24.184.230.106 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 12:49, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the interesting statistic however I do not see the relevance. To argue that material should be deleted and/or made unavailable simply because people would actually have to read it is misguided. --Landerman56 (talk) 00:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is good, and very detailed, but the sheer amount of information was not appealing. One can read what this article is saying in a newspaper archive, and the only main difference is the accessibility. Try to broaden things a bit, and "wikify" your citations. Serafino bueti (talk) 17:53, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a good source for a future article, but it is not an article at all as it stands. Almost 1000 words about a 5-person protest of sand pits in 1957? Notability issues apply to almost every item here (not to mention the dozens of local "notables" who have no WP article and properly so). It's a wonderful enjoyable collection of clippings but should be published as a blog and a booklet for local interest. It would also make a fine section of a Wyandanch.com site, but simply is not an encyclopedia article. People are being very circumspect about making the radical edits required--despite the creation of the redundant History of Wyandanch page--and I'm afraid that if I start on the vast amount of work required to turn this into useable information, it will just be reverted to this mulligan stew again. All I've done is to move the three actually summary sections to the top, so a reader can find them. Can somebody with some authority solve this ongoing problem? 208.46.159.170 (talk) 16:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article length

message: For my own reference (or anyone else should they happen to feel like taking a stab at it):
*This was a version from early '08 which was very stub-like: concise, but not very informative.
*This is the first version where it was rearranged topically. The catch is that all of the topical information is still historical.
The article should be examined from a modern perspective and revised under Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. Take a look at examples from :Category:FA-Class WikiProject Cities articles (or even the recently delisted New York City). VernoWhitney (talk) 20:34, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: So much of the detail could be moved to other articles, though. A lot of the railroad history could be moved to the Wyandanch (LIRR station) article. The stuff on Conklin Road could be added to New York State Route 24. As for chapters on industry within Wyandanch, one notable business is the Weld-Built Wrecker and Carrier company. If this company was mentioned in the article, I missed it. ----DanTD (talk) 04:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent positive suggestions,Dan TD. The Weldbuit omission is a very good point. The Town of Babylon is working on purchasing the Weldbuilt property as part of its $500 million "Wyandanch Rising" effort to uplift downtown Wyandanch with a regional parking center and innovative stores and abovestore condos. This is one of the greatest community redevelopment programs underway in the entire United States. An understanding of much of this detailed history is necessary if we are to understand why the "Wyandanch Rising" program is vital-not only to Wyandanch but also to the Town of Babylon, Suffolk County and the State of New York. Also, new shorter articles could be developed-especially for many of the "Notable Natives." Rev. Dr. Sherman Hicks, a bishop in the Lutheran Church of America, who grew up in Wyandanch and attended its much maligned and underfunded public schools, should surely have a Wikipedia article. ldoughist74.89.79.46 (talk) 16:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Dan TD-I took your valid suggestion and added an item on WELD BUILT Wrecker & Carrier. Thanks again. Thanks also to the many fine people who have made constructive edits. — 74.89.66.250 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 14:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Cleanup 

message: :Heading added for new topic by czar · · 01:30, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnote citations 

message: :Heading added for new topic by czar · · 01:30, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I may be wrong but it seems as if an Englishman living in Dubai has removed access to the History of Wyandanch and "protected" it so it cannot be edited or even read by the general public. It is said to have been "redirected" to Wyandanch, New York but when one clicks on the History or History of Wyandanch links nothing appears. I know hundreds, if not thousands of people have looked at this History of Wyandanch over the past three years. I would appreciate feedback as to if objective/concerned readers believe this removal is justified and the article should be restored. Ldoughist (talk) 02:21, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost all those people looked at this page because comedy websites link here. It's funny because an insignificant hamlet has one of the longest articles on wikipedia.90% of this article should be erased. Wikipedia is not a book. It should be a concise summary of a subject with sources, and maybe links to more reading. This goes into every little thing that ever happened.98.229.58.193 (talk) 20:35, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What comedy website link here?  We would like to know. Significanse is in the eye of the beholder. Ldoughist24.186.54.232 (talk) 13:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's one.  Powers T 14:57, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/History_of_Wyandanch|"History of Wyandanch" deletion]] 

message: :Heading added for new topic by czar · · 01:30, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: :  Heading edited for more description by czar · · 01:30, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics and income 

message: It is customary to name buildings and things for dead people. There are exceptions, but MLK was alive in 1967. "On the first three nights of August 1967, racial disturbances broke out in Wyandanch as small groups of young African-American adults reportedly smashed windows in three stores, overturned two cars, set fire to the auditorium of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Elementary School on Mount Avenue,"--Wlmg (talk) 13:06, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  MLK Anachronism??