Talk:Sverdlovsk, Ukraine

message: ISTM that this is supposed to be an article about Sverdlovsk, Ukraine, 45°29′N 33°56′E. An anonymous user has moved the intro to the end, subheaded it "Sverdlovsk, Ukraine", and put a heading "Sverdlovsk, Russia" at the top, above the "History" section which (I believe) refers to Sverdlovsk, Ukraine - at any rate, it has little in common with the corresponding section at Yekaterinburg.
Any good reason not to revert?
I did revert the user's first attempt to move the intro to the end, but the edit was repeated. I don't think it's vandalism, so I'm reluctant to re-revert without some input from more experienced editors.
FJPB 11:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted the anons edits. We should not keep two articles merged together like (Sverdlovsk including section Sverdlovsk (Russia) and Sverdlovsk (Ukraine), but rather let each subject have their own articles. —dima/s-ko/ 20:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Russia vs Ukraine

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message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Kirovske, Donetsk Oblast which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 19:32, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
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message: @Mattia332 Per MOS:LEAD, the lead of an article is supposed to summarize the key points of an article. I added in sentences describing the Russian + proxy occupation and the concurrent human rights abuses, but you removed these, citing "NPOV". Can you explain which parts specifically are problematic, or tell me how you would prefer the topic to be covered? I don't want to just get into a revert war. HappyWith (talk) 04:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, I believe this is part of a broader issue with Wikipedia's lack of neutrality regarding the Ukraine-related topics. For instance, describing a town as "occupied by proxy" introduces bias by aligning with a pro-Ukraine narrative, especially when discussing contentious issues like reported human rights abuses that were only reported by Western, clearly pro-Ukrainian news sources. I suggest steering away from such biased language and, instead, either presenting both perspectives or adopting a more impartial tone, such as stating, "Since 2014, it has been part of the LPR." This is just an example though, and should be phrased better, I appreciate your attention to this matter Mattia332 (talk) 12:17, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the response, but reliable sources actually do describe the territories of the "LPR" and "DPR" as "Russian-occupied since 2014"  (example) and have described the "peoples republics" themselves as "Russian proxies" (1) (2), so I think it is warranted to describe them as such in the article. Reliable sources take a "pro-Ukrainian stance" because those actually are the facts on the ground. HappyWith (talk) 16:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

text: I've re-added the passage about the occupation to the lead with slightly different wording, and added explicit citations to the body stating the LPR was a Russian proxy. If you have further objections, reply to this message. HappyWith (talk) 16:12, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occupation in lead