Talk:Tang-class submarine

message: This is what you get when you plagiarize DANFS:  a paean to Tang, which says not 1 word about her lousy pancake diesels, which were so bad, Ned Beach risked court-martial by going on an open circuit to complain about them (as he recounts, at ironic third hand, in Cold is the Sea).  Trekphiler (talk) 01:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, can mention be found that would still satisfy NPOV? -MBK004 01:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bubble, bubble, toil & trouble

message: This article was moved to make way for a disambig page which was fine. However the move did not follow proper nomenclature. Just a heads up that I will move the page again with the proper name. Llammakey (talk) 09:02, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it shouldn't have been moved, as a hatnote could have easily been used instead. - BilCat (talk) 13:45, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, however I did not know how to revert it and didn't want to get into an edit war. Llammakey (talk) 18:02, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Improper naming of article

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Type 096 submarine which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 18:01, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: The Infobox listing of Succeeding classes lists the USS Nautilus and USS Seawolf. This is incorrect, from a design viewpoint these two subs had nothing to do with the Tang-class. The Skate-class OTOH IS a succeeding class, since that class was an attempt to build a Tang with nuclear power. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 14:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Resolved issue by noting Nautilus and Seawolf as (chronological only) successors. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 14:35, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious: Succeeding classes 

message: On 18 April 2021 a new section that described the evolution of the Skate-class from the Tang-class was removed. It has now been restored with additional supporting text and reference. It should be pointed out that the original post was a verbatim quote from the Skate-class article's introduction that dates from the creation of the article in 2004. If there is a good reason to delete this from this Tang-class article then it should also be deleted from the Skate-class article. BTW, from a high-level design perspective these statements are not incorrect.Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 16:31, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The Tang and Skate were not closely related.  The Skate was envisioned as a submarine with similar size and capability to the Tangs and GUPPYs.  From the SCB requirements (dated 9 June 1954): "This design is intended to provide a nuclear powered attack submarine of about the size of a GUPPY submarine."  Nowhere in the BuShips files on the Skate at the National Archives is there an explicit connection between the Skate and Tang (there is a brief mention that the bow planes were copied from the Darter).  Friedman, who uses these same archival documents to write his books, is referring to the fact that the Skate and the Tang had similar characteristics, not that their designs were related (note he uses the word "equivalent" and does not mention any design relation).  And it is quite plain looking at plans of both submarines that they are not related, which is not surprising given that nearly a decade separates their designs.  The Tang was a double-hull, single-deck submarine with a streamlined conventional (ship-like).  The Skate was a single-hull, two-deck submarine with a body-of-revolution hull (modified with a large upper bow and superstructure and bow sonar dome).  There is no commonality between the Skate and Tang beyond size, which leads to the similarity in speed, weapons, and sensors (the latter of which were common to nearly all U.S. submarines in this period anyway).  If there is a diesel submarine similar to the Skate it is the Darter, but the commonalities in this case are due to both submarines being designed around the same time.Vepr157 (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relation to Skate class