Talk:In-N-Out Burger/Archive 1

message: The Richard Boyd mentioned here is not the same one that his name links to.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.104.227.143 (talk • contribs) 09:47, August 7, 2006
* Thanks.  I've changed it to point to Richard Boyd (executive).  Wikibofh(talk) 14:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richard Boyd 

message: The article mentions that In-N-Out is 'a plot point' in the movie "the big lebowski" - honestly I couldn't even remember any point at which the restaurant chain was even referenced in the movie, but upon asking a few co-workers, they said there is a scene where the characters are either eating at or eating from an in-n-out burger, but it was far from being a "plot point" - I would agree that this should probably be removed.
* Did you actually see the movie?  They discuss the fact that Larry Sellars lives near an In-N-Out Burger and are eating Burgers as they drive away, with the wind now blowing in their hair. FancyPants 06:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The big lebowski 

message: I added that In-N-Out pays "significantly above" the minimum wage.  As of right now, California minimum wage is $6.75.  In-N-Out is advertising entry level positions in Fresno and LA at $8.25 and the Silicon valley at $9.25. I figure that's significant.  What I don't know is how to find a nice way of saying "people who work in In-N-Out are nice, smart, and personable, unlike the zitfaced morlocks in mcdonalds..." -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 00:55, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I take exception to the "smart" part.  I once ordered when the cash register was out of order, and paid with a $10 bill.  The cashier just stood there, stunned, not knowing how much to give me for change.  Then he had to ask for a pen and paper to do his calculation.  After a minute of him fumbling around without success, he gave up and just gave me an amount significantly higher than my change. :-) DHN 01:06, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  significantly above 

message: Shouldn't the article reside at In-N-Out Burger, with a redirect at In-N-Out? Hipocrite 21:07, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: A section of this article appears to have been borrowed liberally from http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/inandout.asp. Adding words and extending the text does not make it original, especially with such unique phrases being repeated. With fair usage of copywritten material, clarification on which words were added and attribution is necessary. Did anyone contact Snopes directly and ask for permission?
"The Snyders are a religious Christian family, and most likely these particular Bible verses have special meaning for them." (Wikipedia)
and 
"The Snyders are a religious family, and their continuing to control their own company means they can put what they want on their product packaging. They've chosen to include pointers to particular Bible verses that we presume hold special meaning for them." (Snopes)
Noirdame 17:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it a little and put up a reference. --Berol 21:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections appear snagged from Snopes! 

message: The company website says that: 
*In 1948, the first In-N-Out Burger was founded by Harry and Esther Snyder in Baldwin Park. Harry's idea of a drive-thru hamburger stand where customers could order through a two-way speaker box was quite unique. In that era, it was common to see carhops serving those who wanted to order food from their car. Harry's idea caught on and California's first drive-thru hamburger stand was born.
Is this true? Were they also the first in the U.S.? In the world? This is a great fact if we can nail it down. -Willmcw 10:18, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: well if the company advertises "California's first drive-thru" all over the place, I think it is not the nation or world's first, otherwise the company would have braged about this everywhere. Although Fast food article states: "Wendy's, founded in 1972, is credited with pioneering the use of the "drive-thru" window to allow consumers to purchase fast food without having to park or exit their cars." but I dont know what they mean by "pioneering". To me In-N-Out was very pioneering and it started in 1948, 22 years earlier. I made this same discussion on "Fast food" article's talk page -- AlexTheMartian | Talk 10:00, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently Red's Giant Hamburgs was first in the US/world, 1947.--Berol 03:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First drive-thru? 

message: I'm surprised there's no picture of the original In-N-Out location. I'll have some free time this weekend to take a picture. --FloBrio 20:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of the original In-N-Out 

message: It is so damn tasty. I'd go get some right now if it weren't 2:35am. Double-Double, two fries, and a rootbeer.
:Word Isaac Crumm 07:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In-n-Out is Absurd 

message: This article should have a normal Double-Double meal as a picture somewhere towards the top portion of the page. It is actually a bit disgusting to see only a 20x20, 8x8, and animal-style fries as the only food photographs on the article. Dont get me wrong I love In-N-Out, my home is a few blocks from where it was founded. -- AlexTheMartian | Talk 09:21, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: can somebody complete this cut-off sentence, the 4th bullet under 'Store layout'?: "food preparation area (where the tomatoes, onions," -- AlexTheMartian | Talk 09:32, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added an ending, but it doesnt flow well/work with the structure of the rest of the lines. Stil needs to be fixed, but now it's not incomplete. Manfrin 08:36, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cut-off sentence 

message: My mother told me that her sister (my aunt) who has lived in California for almost 50 years now, has a son (my cousin) who is the manager/owner of an In-N-Out Burger, I told her "I think that's a California thing!"
* and thats a funny story why? live at the witch trials 18:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funny story 

message: Before I moved to Bellevue, WA, I recently ordered french fries that were pretty much cut fresh from the unpeeled spud - grab a potato, cut it, and drop it in the fryers.  Customer service said that this is the first they've heard of it.  I therefore propose "fries, dirty", after Dirty Potato Chips, but I'm not yet inclined to add this to the main entry.  Thoughts? --Dennis The TIger 03:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Naw, since noone calls it that, and it's not common. This isn't the first time I've of heard it existing though. -- Jjjsixsix (t)/(c) @ 03:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dirty style fries? 

message: I'm surprised no one has mentioned their lack of plain mayonnaise. As someone who hates both ketchup/katsup and mustard, but also dislikes a dry burger, this is a major sticking point for me when eating there. My friends all love the place but since I can't get just mayonaise I try to avoid the place. Ironically they provide ketchup and mustard packets but for some reason no mayonnaise packets, which it seems would be the obvious solution. I actually e-mailed and then eventually called the company to discuss this with their PR reps once and they said they really didn't know why they had no mayonnaise. They gave me the number of the guy who runs the warehouse and purchase division but I never called. This subject came up again recently in a discussion with friends so I just may get back onto it and see if I can get them to at least carry mayonnaise packets in the store. Again I am rather surprised no one else seems to care about this.
* Would ordering a side of spread (#1 ingredient is mayo) do it for you? People usually order it for their fries. Berol 01:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of mayonnaise 

message: That thing is nasty. That's engough meat to feed every ethiopian and give them morbid obesity as well. 201.23.64.2 01:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's pretty evil.  I've uploaded the standard press image for the DD combo, so I'm going to work on linking the bugger and nuking that 20x20 image. --Dennis The TIger 05:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  20x20 

message: I have heard (though there is nothing to confirm this) that the owners refuse to build any chains in Utah, because of the state's history and affiliation with the Mormon church.  That seems to discriminatory for me to believe it, has anyone else out there heard of this?
:The article mentions expansion into Utah.  This sounds like an urban legend linked in someway to the bible references and the beliefs of the owners.  MrMurph101 19:20, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: News articles from multiple press sources in 2004 have them set for construction at Telegraph Marketplace in Washington, Utah.  (A website claims the X palm trees were planted sometime in the last 2 years and that's it so far.)  They don't have plans to expand much further into the US because they process meat in the LA area and ship it fresh to all 200+ locations by truck.  It'd be less than fresh by the time they'd truck it to Portland or Salt Lake City according to one of their execs. Berol 01:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious Motivation 

message: By the end of September there will be company raises where the employees will start at a pay of $9.50 an hour.
Right. Currently they pay a quarter more per hour in Northern CA. If they give .50 cent raises to them aswell then they will be getting $9.75, and everyone else $9.50. Bridarshy 00:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Company Raises 

message: Some recent anonymous edits point to the recent passing of Mrs. Snyder.  I've called the customer service line; she indeed passed on the afternoon of 04Aug2006.  --Dennis The TIger 16:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Esther Snyder 

message: I am surprised no-one has discussed what used to be done with In-n-Out bumper stickers in the 1980's.  Because of the way the logo was, it was very common to see In-n-Out bumper stickers with the letter "B" and the second "R" in "BURGER" cut off from the stickers to create a whole new sexually explicit message.  In-n-Out eventually redesigned the sticker.
* I'm not sure they didn't make them themselves.  After all, they had registered the trademark.  Wikibofh(talk) 15:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The R-rated INO Bumper Stickers 

message: I think this section should go, but would like to discuss first.  My question is, what does it add to the article?  Virtually all corporations register trademarks, and In-N-Out is no exception.  The number of TMs they have is so large that the list can't be comprehensive, and I'm not sure what it tells us.  As an example, a TM search for just "In-N-Out" returns 63 records, and that doesn't include all the others in this list.   Wikibofh(talk) 15:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trademarks 

message: The 'cult status' section seems suspiciously like a marketing hype to me. Is the fact that a celebrity (Bob Hope, Angelina Jolie) has eaten an In-and-Out burger really that notable? I'm sure thousands of celebrities has eaten all sorts of fast food. And product placement in movies is a standard procedure, but the wording of this section makes it seem like something exceptional. Ashmoo 23:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The parts you mentioned specifically may indeed not be notable, but the rest of the section is true. --Yath 00:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: What I see, is if you read the reference, that Joilee left the Oscars early to go.  The fact that Vanity fair is having them cater also seems to indicate it.  What I get from it is not that it's advertising, but that these are high profile cases of their status.  Can you think of another fastfood restaurant that gets that sort of publicity?  Also, FWIW, that section is sourced from independent media, not the company itself.  :) Wikibofh(talk) 01:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe call it something besides "Cult following".  I was just thinking to myself with how many people in LA (or formerly in LA, moved to Scottsdale/Phoenix and the bay area, etc) love the place, I'd say it's more on the side of 'popular' than 'cult.'  But broader definitions exist that say 'cult following' fits.  The problem is probably that it's 2:30am and my brain is tired.--Berol 09:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cult status 

message: "Although big burgers have been very popular in the past, the company has decided to set limits to the amount of meat in one burger."
That sentence is vague.  Does it refer to the size of the hamburger patties (true to at least some degree) or the number of patties (untrue)?--Berol 18:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burger section 

message: I once asked an employee via e-mail why the opening years for the restaurants are:  #1 1948, #2 1959, #3 1962, #4 1951, #5 1952, #6 1966.  He asked his manager who told him that In-N-Out was a partnership.  It went sour and the other partner left the company with restaurants #2 and #3 to make his own business which failed.  INO re-purchased the restaurants and re-opened them in 1959 and 1962.  It could be nonsense as I have never heard so much as a hint of a partnership elsewhere and it is completely uncertified.--Berol 08:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the info, but you don't need to SHOUT! Please turn off your caps lock key.  MrMurph101 17:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There's a Charles Noddin source if anyone wants to add some of this to the article.--Berol 02:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early History 

message: Per my note above, there is now a limiter to 8x8 for sandwiches - and they will not add cheese beyond that.  I left the "fact" tag in because I actually got this from a phone call to customer service rather than a published source - so it would be cool if somebody can find a published source for this information.  --Dennis The TIger 19:24, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burger size limitations 

message: Should the fact that In-N-Out was discussed favorably in the book 'Fast Food Nation' be included in the article? Rsm99833 01:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Missed that in the article. Thanks.Rsm99833 05:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fast Food Nation 

message: Gainesville, FL History & Current Florida INO Listings:
I too was confused by the In-N-Out wiki bc I grew up in Gainesville, FL with INO being my hands-down favorite. INO had been a Gainesville tradition when my Dad was a little boy & throughout my own life as well. I will never forget INO or their delicious food. There were also INO locations along the route from Gville to Disney and when I moved to Orlando after college I was excited to once again enjoy INO because the Gville locations had closed. Reading the INO wiki entry as it stands today made me confused, wonder if there were 2 unique franchises using the same name (& if there was a lawsuit about), and it sent me searching for answers - which is how I found this page. Furthermore, Jacksonville Beach, FL has a Facebook Page & a Yelp for "In-N-Out" with at least one Fbook User posting they were eating burgers there dated June 2016. I live nearby and have never seen an INO here, but thinking it could be new, I looked through the About section & checked the linked website for INO which turned out to be the Calif INO showing "no locations" in Florida or within 150 miles. Can/Will someone PLEASE make an addendum entry about the FLORIDA In-N-Out, its history, and info about the current INO listings for Florida?  We here would really appreciate it!  Thanks! - [User:ksperrye] [ksperrye@gmail.com]
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I added the  tag about a week ago to this section.  If something doesn't come up shortly, I'm going to nuke the section.  Looking online, the only references I could find showed it to apparently be a company location.  That being said, the company website doesn't show it.  Anyone in FL care to comment? Wikibofh(talk) 15:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Might want to crosspost to Talk:Gainesville, Florida. Probably not too many Floridians following this page. --Paul E. Ester 15:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See the top few posts at . There is  which says "There used to be an In 'N' Out fast food restaurant in Gainesville, owned and operated by a husband and wife team.  However, this husband and wife team eventually disbanded and the wife got a fast food restaurant out of the settlement.  Instead of crying about the situation, our man Ralph got him some property across the street and opened a place called Ralph's Drive Thru, and eventually drove his poor ex-wife out of business." Then there is the locations listing at in-n-out.com. Somewhere (maybe here), I read that it was a small chain and Gainesville is the only surviving location.  It's still listed in online phone directories.  If it's not around anymore, I'd change it to "not to be confused with the defunct..." or kill it.  If it lives, I'd post a disambiguous article [in-n-out & in-n-out (florida)] and maybe kill it.--Berol 20:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Joe, don't you toy with me about In-N-Out coming to Texas, because if they don't I'll be highly disappointed. Can you link me anywhere to this reference, and if so could it be put on the main page? 68.90.16.2 14:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Florida In-N-Out 

message: I had removed these because of two reasons.
#It didn't seem encyclopedic, because we're not a restaurant guide.  A quick perusal of other restaurant entries (Chipotle_Mexican_Grill, Outback Steakhouse, Wendy's, Baja Fresh) all fail to have opening or closing times.  
#It wasn't consistent.  Saying, "They open and close at X & Y, except for those that don't" (I paraphrase for humor value) didn't seem to add much to me.
What is consensus on this?  Wikibofh(talk) 14:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see anything significant about it with describing the company or its history as written.  Saying why a few places close earlier would be slightly better, but not much. It could compare to competitors in saying that no locations are open 24 hours as even drive-thru lanes close with the restaurants, then maybe list the hours.  It seems like they'd make Vegas an exception, but nopers.--Berol 22:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you're trying to say.  Fundamentally, is it encyclopedic?  I'm not arguing whether or not it's true (although I think a lack of consistency means that it is not true), but is it encyclopedic?  Wikibofh(talk) 23:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was saying nonencyclopedic (never seen operating hours in an encyclopedia) or pointless, but might work if the angle was changed to what I babbled about.  Thanks for the answer down there. I'd been guessing local ordinance.--Berol 09:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open and closing times 

message: Why do we have a long list, and THEN much of the same material in prose form in the subsections?  For the record, I prefer the prose forms after a quick glance. Wikibofh(talk) 23:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably intended as a quick reference?  I'd say leave both in for that reason, or separate out the secret menu list into its own entry. --Dennis The TIger 05:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been considering similar for a long time, highlights in the article (M by C burgers, shake swirls, animal styles, etc.) and a second article for the full list.--Berol 09:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say do it, and provide a link to the outside.  Real Life(TM) provides that I can't really do this, but I'll help in my copious spare time. =^_^= --Dennis The TIger 16:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secret menu section... 

message: Does the current edit really belong part of the article? It's not verified, and seems really non-notable. Rsm99833 02:58, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to concur with Wikibofh here, if only because BHHS is not alone in their use of the trailer as a fundraiser.  --Dennis The TIger 05:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jay Leno 

message: This item is neither listed on the official "secret menu". nor is it listed anywhere on any website I looked at on Google (four pages of looking). Besides, the idea is covered well in "X by Y". There is no reason for this to be listed. I suspect the person doing the entry has dubious reasons for adding it. Rsm99833 05:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say that, mostly because of the user ignoring requests to participate in this discussion, respond to discussions on their page, or add in anything as far as edit changes. while their intentions may be good, the behavior is that of vandals. Rsm99833 05:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  none by one 

message: "In-N-Out's use of the occasional radio spot and billboard, simultaneously echoing the sequential billboard ads of the 1950s and apprising West-Coasters traveling through spacious California that a precious In-N-Out is nearby--an oasis in the wilderness--may be the ideal campaign for an establishment that wants to both evoke the burger joints of the 1950s and has almost no need whatsover for advertising due to the continually immense demand for In-N-Out burgers."
I'm not sure if I'm not getting this cuz I'm sick or if it's a mess.  The first part is a supposition of what the best ad campaign is instead of a statement of fact.  The description of the ideal campaign may be a bit much for an encyclopedia without direct quotes from someone. 'Almost no need for advertising' is questionable.  And then there is defining 'immense demand.'  Anything keepable in the paragraph?--Berol 20:19, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertising 

message: * I just found out that it is company policy to allow customers to get free coffee if they provide their own cup. Does anyone think this has a worthy spot anywhere in the article? Bridarshy 07:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free Coffee 

message: I removed the phrase "*Some people complain about the lack of options the In-N-Out menu has to offer in comparsion to their McDonalds counterparts." from the "Criticism" section. How do you prove something like this? Who are "some people"? PacificBoy 16:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsubstantiated criticism 

message: In addition to the flowery adjectives of unvarnished praise (sounds like it came directly from the PR folks at corporate HQ), there are no citations to back up any of the fantastic claims.  Proof please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.27.200.205 (talk) 00:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corporate culture 

message: "the restaurant in Valencia mimics the interior of a Mc Donalds[citation needed]"
The Valencia restaurant uses one of the most common cookie cutter layouts, with at least 3 In-N-Outs along the 5 freeway sharing the same layout. Unless anyone can verify this statement, it should be removed.
--75.80.45.241 02:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no In-N-Out near Magic Mountain or in Valencia. There's two in Canyon Country and one in Newhall though. bibliomaniac15 00:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Valencia Design 

message: I think that the part in the popularity section of the article where it states: "In 1999, after Sergeant Andrew Ramirez, who had been a POW for a month in Serbia, was released, his first request was for a Double-Double (his mother got one to him)." I might be wrong, but I believe this to be a little off topic and maybe should be deleted. I am not to worried about this, but could someone please leave their opinion here to let me know whether or not it should be taken out?
--Robin63 04:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity 

message: Is there any significance of any of these entries?  Ok, a guy in a film where's an INO shirt.  If Carl Sagan wore an Atari 2600 shirt would that need to go in that article?  If some well-known fictional character (or celebrity) is known for being a big fan and raves about it all the time that might be worth mentioning but not every quick mention.  MrMurph101 23:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  INO in Pop Culture 

message: Alas! After a lengthy deletion debate In-n-out secret menu was deleted. Now the section in this article will need to be built up again... here's some sources:  . Sigh... -- phoebe/(talk)  04:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The stuff already in the article are stretching the rules as it is.--Berol 19:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a way to get a veggie burger that actually has a vegetable burger pattie? How about a way to have a neapolitan root beer shake/float? 71.136.233.5 02:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  secret menu redux 

message: Kudos to the authors of this article! I've worked at an In-N-Out in Union City, California (SF Bay Area) for 3 months in 2002, and everything I could possibly remember is in this article. Good job on the history of In-N-Out, the 'secret menu' (which is just common requests that have been given a name), and the overall format. I'm very impressed. In-N-Out is the only fast-food joint I have ever known where employees are happy to do custom orders and where the burgers, veggies, and potatoes are all fresh, delivered daily, and prepared by hand. cipher_nemo 17:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cipher_nemo, this question is directed at you, i am once again asking if you can get a neapolitan with root beer float/shake? Thanks, 71.136.233.5
BlastContra  00:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  this article is accurate and mature 

message: The chain of edits that led to the "Whammy Burger" starts with an edit by Bridarshy that added:
In-N-Out's Protein Style has been around since 1954, not just since the low-carb craze.
An edit by 66.27.146.54 changed this to:
In-N-Out's Protein Style has been around since 1948, not just since the low-carb craze. Originally called a "Whammy Burger".
A recent cleanup edit by Whitebox integrates this with the Protein Style entry in the Secret Menu section:
Instead of a bun, the burger is wrapped in lettuce. In addition to burgers, a protein style Grilled Cheese is available. In-N-Out's Protein Style has been around since 1948, not just since the low-carb craze. Originally called a "Whammy Burger".
        I suspect the "Whammy Burger" comment was a joke.  If someone has a sound source for this, please post it.  Bridarshy has a reputable edit history and has commented that he works for the company.  Nonetheless, there's an AP article that appeared in the Oakland Tribune on March 26, 2004 that paraphrases Carl Van Fleet, In-N-Out Burger's vice president of planning, as saying that customers both named and created the "protein style" burger, in a sense, when they started asking for it in the early 1970s.        The book Dr. Atkins' Diet Revolution was released in 1972, hitting the New York Times Best Seller list and staying there for years.  If the quote by Van Fleet be correct, the first wave of the low-carb craze to hit American consciousness and the Protein Style burger are coincident.  I'll go ahead and modify the article.  If anyone can gainsay this and has a source for the 1954 date, please post it. — VulcanOfWalden 18:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't sure if it was a joke or what, but I did notice that the whammy burger line is a fragment sentence.--Berol 18:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whammy Burger 

message: As that section and the one under it dealing with (apparently) secret items, I propose a new page In-N-Out Burger Menu Items which can deal with both these sections. Any suggestions?xC | ☎  09:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: DonexC | ☎  10:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that per the AfD of the new article, I believe that the right thing to do is to prune that article and merge it back here. Pascal.Tesson 21:46, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, I can't say I agree with the merge back in.  Possibly improvement to that article yes, but as a subject, it's not at all unreasonable to cover the menu of a restaurant on its own page.  FrozenPurpleCube 20:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Menu Items 

message: Anybody have a good argument for not deleting the entire "In-n-Out in popular culture" section? At best, a summary paragraph would go into the Popularity section.  (INO is appearing in pop culture as popularity increases including this show, that movie,...) I'll remove it in a month if there isn't much objection, unless someone beats me to it before then.  --Berol 21:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  deletion of Popular Culture section 

message: yes to merger with menu. Feralfeline 04:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: I was hoping this page had info so I could explain to someone what ordering a burger 'animal style' or fries 'animal style' meant. Also I was curious about the origins and if it is actually on a menu anywhere (I dont think so, but every location I've been to knows what animal style is). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akabdog (talk • contribs) 22:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal Style 

message: The Christian Company category is primarily populated by those companies producing Christian goods & services. In-n-Out Burger lacks a family resemblance with those others included such as the Berean Christian Stores, Women of Faith, Inc., and SOGWAP (Son Of God With All Power) Software. I'm going to remove it from the list, because inclusion of all companies owned in part or whole by religious Christians not producing Christian goods & services would make the list unmanageable. --CheshireKatz 21:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the palm trees in from of the stores crossed to make an X is represents a Greek chi, the 1st letter of Christ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.6.139.133 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a reliable source to back this up? tedder (talk) 22:12, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian company category 

message: I heard that the limit on patty/cheese size is now 4x4, I heard of people ordering 10x10's but apparently they are no longer offered.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.208.89.144 (talk) 00:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  M x C Limit (10x10's cant be ordered anymore) 

message: I remember a part of that lawsuit with Boyd had Boyd allege that the new breed were planning on speeding up the expansion of the restaurant.  Looks like they're gonna smash the record this year for most new restaurants, so maybe he wasn't completely dishonest.--69.229.199.7 (talk) 00:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  a new age 

message: I have seen parodies sections in Wikipedia. Are they just as bad as misc. trivia sections, and would that take too much space for The In-N-Out burger article? In-Correct (talk) 14:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Parodies sections, at least inasmuch as they frequently consist mostly of unsourced "I Spy"-style lists of personal observations with limited notability, are indeed just as bad. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 15:02, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parodies 

message: A writer for BusinessWeek, Stacy Perman, is releasing a book on the company in April 2009.  Maybe it'll be a good source for filling in some of the history, like the ex-partner that opened in-n-outs in Florida.--99.129.166.155 (talk) 08:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible source 

message: I couldn't find this bit of trivia mentioned anywhere:  In the 60's and 70's just about every teen-age boy had an In-N-Out Burger bumper sticker on his car.  Only the first and last letters of burger were cut out, leaving it to read "In-N-Out urge".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.213.80.38 (talk) 16:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  In-N-Out bumper sticker 

message: On the second episode of The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien, Tom Hanks tells Conan that he should go to In-N-Out and they discuss the lingo associated with this restaurant. Should this go in the article?-128.54.74.103 (talk) 02:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this is an article about IN-N-Out presented neutrally(or at least supposed to be), not PR extension of the company. MrMurph101 (talk) 03:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom Hanks endorsment of In-N-Out 

message: "Pre-empting the suit, Martinez, Snyder and Taylor appeared in a December video message to employees, telling them not to believe everything they hear."
I think this sentence is a bit misleading.  The Washington Post, cited as the source, says that a video message was released featuring Snyder and Martinez.  The next sentence in the Post says that Mark Taylor told employees not to believe everything they hear.  The sentence written in the article (above) implies that the three of them said this in the video.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mccarth125 (talk • contribs) 07:21, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal Issues- Boyd Suit 

message: Unless there is objection, I'm going to remove discussion about "planned In-N-Out locations". They are at least supported by refs, but Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball, and it doesn't really add value. tedder (talk) 17:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  location speculation 

message: Under the "Store Design and layout section," this text was there: "Notable "unique" In-N-Out locations include the store on Fisherman's Wharf, San Francisco, the restaurant in Westwood, Los Angeles and the restaurant in Santa Clarita, a suburb of Los Angeles.
As the city of Santa Clarita is not a part of the city of Los Angeles, I have changed the text to read: Notable "unique" In-N-Out locations include the store on Fisherman's Wharf, San Francisco, the restaurant in Westwood, Los Angeles and the restaurant in Santa Clarita, north of Los Angeles.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.128.76.84 (talk) 07:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location detail correction 

message: This article has serious issues with a lack of citations, as noted in my edit summaries. As well, footnotes 21-29 have no bylines, or publication names, and it's unclear if the dates are publication dates or access dates. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, since accessdates say "accessed on ..." they are not access dates and I am unsure what you mean by byline. Do you mean titles? Easily fixed, why didn't you? --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 19:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations and footnotes 

message: I updated the text in the opening summary regarding distribution centers, adding Phoenix, Arizona and Draper, Utah with citations.
--  Firedogbme (talk) 11:29, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distribution Centers 

message: This edit was recently added.  While it is sourced, these lawsuits are a dime a dozen in corporations and this one has no material impact on the company as a whole (and the accusation was just made).  I deleted it per WP:NOTNEWS but would be interested in a discussion about including this content in this encyclopedia.  Thanks, 72Dino (talk)
very interesting deletion, Google News shows lots of links to this lawsuit.  Anyone familiar with the employees of In-N-Out has probably suspected something like this for a long time, it is a quite noticeable difference, even shockingly different, from e.g. their other fast food competitors.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.191.42.7 (talk) 01:04, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You may ultimately be proven right, 167***, but the point is that an encyclopedia is not an investigative report, nor a newspaper.  I'm with you that there are unique aspects to the corporate culture of In N Out, but it remains to be seen whether those unique aspects include the discriminatory practices alleged in this lawsuit.  There are at any given moment several wrongful termination/discrimination lawsuits against any large employer, so the filing (and the accompanying press release) are not really shocking at all. I think that to avoid undue weight, we should probably hold off on this one to see whether the lawsuit really ends up affecting the company in any significant way. Steveozone (talk) 04:17, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Simply filing is not of value; wait until actual court action (or out of court settlement) occurs. --jpgordon::==( o ) 06:56, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrimination lawsuit 

message: In the discussion of the Boyd lawsuit, there is text reading "...accused the then Lynsi Martinez and allied corporate executives...". Unless this means that she is no longer Lynsi Martinez, I believe there should be a title of some sort between "then" and "Lynsi". However, I know nothing of the incident or the corporate hierarchy, so I cannot provide the missing text. I hope someone who knows a bit more can fix this. On the other hand, if it really does mean she is no longer Lynsi Martinez, then please make that clear by telling us who or what she became, lest we think there is something missing in the text.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.27.52 (talk) 14:35, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Text 

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message: Where is the mention of the role of the Big Lebowski in helping to gain a cult following for In and Out Burger?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.236.227.132 (talk) 03:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Big Lebowski 

message: "In 2018 the manager at In-N-Out made $160,000 in a year. They study how it can work in process. It shows about in 329 restaurants. https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/managers-at-in-n-out-burger-make-160000-a-year-heres-how-it-works.html"
Why can't be an encyclopedia? It is referenced and I provide a reliable source. Can this be needed? --2601:205:C100:424D:B822:EBEE:6194:D68F (talk) 17:54, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Aside from being poorly written (very nearly nonsense), the statement has no encyclopedic value. It's a random piece of trivia. Potentially useful on a jobs board, but not here. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:01, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Your Right. --2601:205:C100:424D:65A7:57D6:3BB3:9C98 (talk) 20:58, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really? 

message: In-N-Out regularly does International pop-ups to protect their trademark. Why isn't that covered?
2606:6000:FECD:1400:6D0A:CF4D:5D36:9D8F (talk) 18:35, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  International pop-ups? 

message: This edit returns an earlier edit for "style" because "'commercial' = related to commerce, opposite of 'non-profit'; let's use proper words instead of slang. And please do not undo WP:CAPFRAG.)"
(My aging eyes did not see the m-dash. I have no dispute with that bit.)
Yes, as a modifier, "commercial" would have to do with the distinction between commerce, etc. As used in context, "commercial" is a noun meaning "a paid television or radio advertisement". An "advertisement" (as a noun) is "a notice or announcement in a public medium promoting a product, service, or event or publicizing a job vacancy".
Yes, all commercials are advertisements, but not all advertisements are commercials. Similarly, all dogs are canids, but not all canids are dogs. Without checking, I'd bet everything I have that we describe Lassie as a dog (not a canid), Mars as a planet (not an astronomical body) and Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band as an album (not a sound recording).
I'm also having trouble with the characterization of "commercial" as slang. In my studies, I have recollections of paid messages on TV being referred to as "commercials" going back for decades. Additionally, the normally staid minds at the FCC seem to be rather hip to the jive, you dig?
As normal practice is WP:BRD: boldly edit, someone reverts, then we discuss; I'll let this sit briefly waiting for discussion, then undo the restoration of the edit (WP:BRUDR?). - SummerPhDv2.0 20:49, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The main reason people don't describe Lassie as a canid is that they've never heard of the word, but flawed analogy aside, what you say is right.  Commercial is the slightly better word here. Dan Bloch (talk) 02:22, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  commercial vs. advertisement 

message: Why Is Florida Missing?
INO has a special place in my heart (okay ... my stomach) from my youth and it makes me sad to see the Florida locations, particularly Gainesville, completely scrubbed out of existence in this article.
Additionally, the story behind the Florida expansion is apparently interesting and adds color and depth to INO’s history.
I can absolutely confirm there were multiple INO locations in Gainesville, FL during the 1970’s and 1980’s (and possibly earlier).  I can also confirm there were other INO locations in Central Florida during the 80’s/90’s, including the Orlando Metro Area.
While I do not have the details at this time, the story behind the Florida expansion and in particular, one of the Gainesville locations, is related to inheritance, family drama, and divorce squabbles that are colorful to say the least.
I admit am absolutely biased, but I think it is a shame to not include Florida in the article. 
One, failing to include Florida makes the article inaccurate.
Two, the history of the Florida expansion, the reasons behind it, and the subsequent impact on the business are interesting just on their own.
Three, for users with personal knowledge of the Florida locations or who have been told about them, it is confusing - even misleading - to find Florida absolutely omitted from any mention whatsoever.
I could/would craft a section myself but it would be based on personal knowledge only.  Years ago, I heard a book about the history of INO was due to be published and it included the entire Florida story, along with details of the Gainesville location divorce squabble.  If anyone has access to that book, it would make an excellent reference source.
BeachyBlonde (talk) 04:21, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: To add content regarding In-N-Out in Florida, we need reliable sources discussing In-N-Out in Florida. - SummerPhDv2.0 04:46, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

text: Depends on how they can be cited. "Living witness told me so-and-so" isn't any good; it won't satisfy WP:V. "Living person said so and so in interview in WP:RS" would be entirely acceptable. "Corporate HQ told me so and so" fails WP:V. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇  15:44, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Florida Locations & Interesting History of Florida Expansion 

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message: The starting wage in California for In-N-Out is now $16/hour as of January 2021, as opposed to still being $14. Could this be changed from $14 to $16 to accurately reflect this change? Dixonspace (talk) 15:55, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you provide a source? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:09, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Gaioa (T C L) 18:43, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2021 

message: Please remove
 In-N-Out was one of the very few restaurant chains given a positive mention in the book Fast Food Nation.
and add
 In-N-Out was one of few restaurant chains mentioned positively in the book Fast Food Nation.
"Very few" is vague and doesn't convey anything substantial, and "mentioned positively" is shorter than "given a positive mention".  Thank you. 122.150.71.249 (talk) 04:39, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2022 

message: Suggest replacing the section titled "Pop-up shops" with a section titled "Australia" (or something similar) by adding the following material and move the new material to a more appropriate section of the article:
:In 21st century, In-N-Out Burger has been plagued by similarly named imitators in Australia that confuse consumers into thinking that the similarly-sounding Australian businesses is associated with the Californian-based chain. The company would take the imitators to court for trademark infringement and has opened one-day pop-ups in Sydney in 2012, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2019, and 2022; Brisbane in 2020; Melbourne in 2014 and 2018; and Perth in 2018 and 2022 to preserve their trademark rights. Customers may wait for several hours before the doors open but the food would run out very quickly, sometimes in less than hour after opening. Although In-N-Out may not have plans to open a permanent location outside its current operating region, the business strategy of having one-day pop-ups is to maintain a business presence in the country under Australian trademark law without opening a permanent restaurant.
:In-N-Out successfully defended their trademarks and intellectual property rights in Australia in 2020 against Hashtag Burgers Pty Ltd, formerly doing business as "Funk N Burgers" and "Down-N-Out Burger". In 2021, In-N-Out filed a lawsuit against Queensland-based Rich Asians Pty Ltd doing business as "In & Out Aussie Burgers".
:It also appears that In-N-Out has used this practice in other countries as well, such as in Auckland in 2020; London in 2016 and in 2018; Toronto in 2014 and 2021; Singapore in 2012 and 2019; Tokyo in 2012; Shanghai in 2017; Bangkok in 2018; Hong Kong in 2015; Taipei in 2016; Vancouver in 2019; Buenos Aires in 2016; Seoul in 2019; Berlin in 2022; Dublin in 2021; Dubai in 2021; Petaling Jaya in 2018; Cape Town in 2016; Vienna in 2017;
-- 96.64.134.61 (talk) 20:30, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the text.  Thanks, Dan Bloch (talk) 00:38, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
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