Talk:Liverpool Street station

message: Is there any consistent rationale for why Bank and Monument stations are 1 article (interchange) and Liverpool Street and Moorgate are two? They have more shared history and are a (slightly) smaller complex, and there's no rule 1 complex = 1 station (Paddington is three articles), just wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts? Shadowssettle Need a word? 09:00, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: History? Bank and Monument stations have been properly joined stations for 90 years; being the only way into Bank DLR has only reinforced them as a single entity. London Paddington station was originally four separate stations, but all were named Paddington, with a (xxx) qualifier for the three underground stations, from the start. Liverpool Street and Moorgate have not (yet) been considered so, and retain their individual identities despite now being conjoined by the Elizabeth line; Moorgate, as its article says, has long been a terminus and interchange in its own right. Remember that Wikipedia only reflects the reported world, not create it: I have removed your unfinished assertion on the Moorgate station article that there is an entity named Liverpool Street-Moorgate, for which you will need some good references before reinstating. Bazza (talk) 10:00, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, that was actually an editing error which snuck past (I know I should be far more careful) which I was about to write before I realised it was more of an off-hand comment from a source than a practical assertion when I went to check citations, which led me to ask this question, and led me to change what I was going to write (forgot I had edited the lead) to be more in-line with there just being an interchange. Thank-you for removing it (and my bad). Yes, I realise that there is a stark difference in history and reporting, my comment reflected only that Bank and Monument are only connected indirectly via the Northern lines (and now additionally the DLR), and a similar situation now exists for Liverpool Street–Moorgate, which has been reported on, if still very much not the general portrayal in the media outside of transport-oriented content. It will be interesting to see if the connection and single complex will change such portrayal, and such question will be more difficult to answer in the future, but yes this is purely speculation. Shadowssettle Need a word? 10:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Another thing to consider is that Liverpool Street is a mainline national rail terminus, like Paddington, so it has its own identity. It might be in time we need to create Liverpool Street & Moorgate tube station (in the same manner as Kings Cross St Pancras tube station, although that name itself is now under contention since TfL have renamed it on the tube map). I think we just need to consider what most sources would identify with. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:54, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Very fair point, however, to match Bank/Monument, that'd be Liverpool Street and Moorgate stations, since Elizabeth line -> railway station, so combined it's still a station. Nonetheless, it's a fair point that this discussion is premature Shadowssettle Need a word? 14:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  That does complicate things somewhat; however, I think with almost 150 years of being identified as the London terminus for all of East Anglia, it will take some time, if that, before sources start referring to the complex using joint names. Even now, taking a High Speed 1 or Eurostar train announces the service is for "St Pancras International", and only mentions King's Cross at the end of the journey as possible connections from the station. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:26, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

text: Bank & Monument is one station operationally with one set of platforms having a different name - one article makes sense. Liverpool Street and Moorgate is operationally 4 stations (London Liverpool Street NR, Liverpool St LU, Liverpool St EL, Moorgate), albeit complicated by three being connected together inside the gateline, and a different three having basically the same name. Leaving aside the issue of whether Liverpool Street should be split into its component stations (something that is inconsistently done: Waterloo, Euston, Charing Cross, Paddington and Elephant & Castle are, but London Bridge, Victoria, Cannon Street, Marylebone and Vauxhall aren't), that there is barrier-free connection is no reason to merge articles: Hackney Central and Hackney Downs remains two articles for two stations, for instance. Châtelet–Les Halles is almost a direct analogy for this (there's no terminus above complicating things) situation below the ground - new station opens linking into two older stations behind the fare barriers and creating a new complex. Châtelet and Les Halles are separate articles to the RER station. 81.111.168.160 (talk) 08:44, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liverpool Street and Moorgate stations 

message: Can you stop deleting My edit its true if you go onto the Elizabeth line The Northern line can be accessed from Liverpool Street  via a very long walk way 2A00:23C8:A809:1B01:54B5:CFF:FE52:2B4E (talk) 22:47, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liverpool street