Talk:Başkale

message: Anyone know how Baskale would be classified? --Lisa 01:35, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Large town or city?

message: This text has been removed twice by Makalp:
Armenians of Başkale were later deported and massacred by Turks and Kurds during the Armenian genocide.
The source is Viscount Bryce's The Treatment of the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. It says:
The news that comes to us from across the Turkish border is far from pleasant. The many hundreds (and perhaps some thousands) of Armenians and Syrians in the region of Bashkala have been massacred. The Armenians and Kurds in and about Van have begun to fight.
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Yesterday I assembled about fifty Armenians from the neighbourhood of Bashkala...They feel certain that their wives and children have been massacred or else taken away to a captivity worse than death.
I think the text is clearly supported by the source. Unless Makalp can bring reasoned argument here to counter this, I believe the text, so sourced, should remain. — Gareth Hughes 22:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am dismayed by this set of edits by Makalp. The user decided to remove the text again in the middle of an extensive rewrite. I have attempted to incorporate useful portions of the rewritten article with those parts of the old that this user deleted. It is not acceptable to edit in such a manner. Why hasn't this user even bothered to use this talk page? — Gareth Hughes 18:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourced text 

message: I have protected the article due to the edit war over the inclusion of the sentence about treatment of Armenians. The section is solely based on an electronic version of 1916 primary document (report of the British secretary of state). There are a few problems with the document as a source:
* WP:RS does not recommend to use primary sources. As a rule wiki should use modern academic secondary and tertiary sources. Usage of primary sources is allowed only as exceptions
* The electronic document is from a personal account. There might be some sort of altering of the document
* As I understand User:Makalp, there are some obvious factual errors in the document.
I have protected the article for a week. Please use this time to do some research. Alex Bakharev 11:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you please take a look at User:Makalps contributions, especially the articles that touch on Armenian or Kurdish issues. He's been removing sourced information, disregarding any kind of discussion, and just plain vandalizing Wikipedia. VartanM 15:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, he does have a habit of doing this. Also, can he tell us what is wrong with the given source and record? Its pretty well known and used :).Hetoum I 19:37, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: And of course the ignorance of the typical Wikipedia editor is often  beyond belief. Either moronic propagandists (spewing out Turkish lies), or one source wonders (who think they are experts just by quoting from Bryce). Articles like this one are so full of errors that one often feels what's the point of trying to correct them. Meowy 01:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I have informed Meowy (talk · contribs) that the above constitutes a personal attack against another user. This user has some history of incivility and may be blocked following another such demonstration. — Gareth Hughes 13:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Amongst their many other sins, is the one where Wikipedia administrators state the blindingly obvious as if it were a great insight on their part. A personal insult was exacly what I intended my comment to be. Meowy 19:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of the Armenian Genocide section 

message: Başkale (Kurdish: Elbak, Armenian: Albayrak, and alternatively rendered as Bashkala or Pashgala)
How could it be. Albayrak is also Turkish. Which means Red Flag. Turks use Albayrak also for Turkish Flag.
:"Albayrak" is derived from the original name of the district, "Aghbak". Meowy 18:02, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ??? =

message: I reverted the recent changes as none were sourced and they were of poor technical quality. Hints to me that this article needs more work though from the perspective of its Armenian history. Single POV edits like those I reverted are unhelpful though. Donama (talk) 03:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes re Armenian genocide viewpoint 

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