Talk:Turanism

message: The following links are from List of Turanism related subjects, which now redirects to this article.
http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/cenasia/hypermail/200104/0023.html
Let me start by saying that I employ Pan-Turkism and Turanism as 
identical terms. Thus I do not agree with Georgeon and Landau who argue 
that pan-turanism means unity of Turks, Hungarians, Mongolians and the 
Finns.
http://www.turcoman.btinternet.co.uk/frontiers-turkestan.htm
Turkestan and Turan
http://www.realchange.nareg.com.au/ch3.htmTheir country is a vast and eternal land: Turan!" 
http://www.kongar.org/aen_tr.php
There was a revision of the Pan-Turanism of Ziya Gokalp
http://egemenlikulusundur.net/ustat/tarkul/alpch12.htm Central Asian Identity under Russian Rule
http://www.pafaculty.net/~history/h100/glossary.html
Middle East Dictionary
http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~sarmatia/992/cichocki.html
ALPAMYSH AND CENTRAL ASIAN IDENTITY UNDER RUSSIAN RULE
http://eurasia-research.com/erc/001cam.htm
SUN IS ALSO FIRE
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/53/128.html
Nationality or religion?
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/53/125.html
"Basmachi:" Turkistan National Liberation Movement 1916-1930s
http://www.ku.edu/~ibetext/texts/paksoy-2/cam1.html
SUN IS ALSO FIRE
http://www.geocities.com/enver1908/enver.html
Ismail Enver was born in Constantinople on 23 November 1881
http://www.turkiye.net/sota/paksoyt1.html
http://aton.ttu.edu/
Uysal - Walker Archive
http://www.iccrimea.org/gaspirali/
150th anniversary of the birth of Ismail Bey Gaspirali, a Crimean Tatar leader
http://www.euronet.nl/users/sota/gaspirali.html
Ismail Gaspirali (1851-1914)
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9724/Tatar_FAQ-shs006.html
Who are the Crimean (Kyrym) Tatars?
http://www.tatar.ro/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=MostPopular
Tatar music
http://www.turcoman.btinternet.co.uk/turkism.htm
Pan-Turkism Past Present and Future
http://www.peoples.org.ru/tatar/eng_099.html
PAN-TURKISM: PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE
http://members.tripod.com/~fantasian/gw.html
Gray Wolves	
http://www.turkishdailynews.com/past_scanner/04_07_97/scanner.htm
some people have discovered Turkes
http://www.day.kiev.ua/DIGEST/2002/04/culture/cul4.htm
http://english.pravda.ru/culture/2001/11/01/19783.html
A multicultural Ukraine and Russia???
http://www.greece.org/genocide/books/miracle/page135-136.html
Since 1965, it has found expression in the Turkish parliament
http://www.riga.lv/minelres/archive/01261999-13%3A47%3A59-4881.html
CRIMEAN TATAR HEADQUARTERS FIREBOMBED
http://www.soros.org/fmp2/html/july1999.html
Forced Migration Monitor
http://www.iccrimea.org/scholarly/emigrations.html
http://www.turkey.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=5984&pagenumber=8
Who were the ancestors of Turks?
http://www.loc.gov/rr/amed/neareast.html
The Near East Section
of the African and Middle Eastern Division
http://www.ozturkler.com/data_english/0001/0001_giris_2.htm
Ozturkler
http://www.cilicia.com/armo19j.html
AUTONOMOUS REGION OF MOUNTAINOUS (NAGORNO-)KARABAGH
http://www.ed.uiuc.edu/EPS/people/Shorish_Jadidism.html
Back to Jadidism: Turkistani Education
After the Fall of the USSR
http://www.rferl.org/newsline/2003/01/230103.asp
Russian problems
http://www.cilicia.com/Plagiarism.htm
FROM NONSENSE TO NATIONHOOD: A DANGEROUS TRAJECTORY OF AZERBAIJANI NATIONALISM
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Berkeley/9423/randoku1999-5.html
Nationalism in Japanese
http://www.cncho.pe.kr/kric/kric/%B9%CE%C1%B7%B0%B3%C8%B24.htm
Nationalism in Korean
http://turkistani.5u.com/
http://www.nsjap.com/axis/history.html
Japanese Racial Movement – Turanism / Turanianism---Japanese language belongs to the Turanian (Ural-Altaic-Sumerian) family of language. (Turanian is to Ural-Altaic-Sumerian as Aryan is to Indo-European)
http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~budapest/Japanese/Istanbul%20sketch.htm
Hungarian immigrants greatly contributed to the international culture of Istanbul
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/creeca/RCEEE/2002_ind.htm
Russian, Central Eurasian, And East European
Specialty Group
http://www.hungary.com/corvinus/lib/tria/tria30.htm
Joseph A. Kessler, Turanism and Pan-Turanism in Hungary
http://www.google.ca/search?q=turanism+hungarian&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Google: turanism Hungarian
http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Arrow+Cross+Party%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Google: "Arrow Cross Party"
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=japan+turanism&meta=
Google: japan turanism
http://www.1upinfo.com/country-guide-study/turkey/turkey14.html
Köprülü Era
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/2697/tbhrhrw6.html
Denial of Ethnic Identity 
http://www.cc.org.cn/wencui/oldwencui/zhoukan/1110adaa05.htm
Turanism in Chinese
http://www2.4dcomm.com/millenia/SU-N.HTM
Hungarian etymology — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirv (talk • contribs) 05:25, 29 November 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: the current form of the article, due to aryan's massive edit, has an alarmist anti-turanism propaganda tone, which is unencyclopaedic.
it also contains many factual inaccuracies.--Calm 16:09, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You Claim false inaccuracies, where? Pan-Turanism is a political movement that teaches false history, how is my article anti? I can bring up evidence of pan-turan movement falsities. Do not alter or bring up personal views, I have given numerous references, iof you dispute it come up with something solid other then opinion please --Aryan Khadem 00:42, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is not your judgement to make. This is an encyclopaedic article not a platform for your  Soapboxing which is evident by the way you have referred to it as "my article". I will make making some well sourced edits in the coming days to rescue this article from being the POV pushing propaganda peace it is. I look forward to your replies. Indoaryanman (talk) 14:13, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: you claim to have permission to use the text from the websites you use,, however text "with permission only" cannot be used in wikipedia since that is not compatible with GFDL licensa under which all text in wikipedia must be licensed. -- ( drini's vandalproof page ☎ ) 07:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Aryan and Fagyd: refer to evidence cited on discussion page of Turan article. - Webmaster hunmagyar.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.58.106 (talk) 19:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violation 

message: Alparslan Türkeş's party didn't and also won't be defending Turkish Nationalism because they see Kurds as brothers of Turks. His ideology can be considered as a "traditionalist- Islamic democrat". Of course they defend the Turkish side in many situations and they deserve respect for these acts but still they haven't complete their duties to become a full nationalist movement. Deliogul 13:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Türkeş?! 

message: Alparslan Türkeş and MHP isn't Turanist, they are islamist! Turanism article have a lot of wrong things. Turanism is shamanist and racist ideology. Key personalities are wrong so. Turanism don't think Ryukyians or Koreans... Turanian peoples are for Turanism ideology: Magyars and Mongol-Turks only!!! Turanism is racist, realist not romantist!!!! Please rewrite this article JOHN! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.226.67.173 (talk • contribs) 04:13, 30 September 2006.
:John you are rude but right. Only wrong statement you make is this religion thing. Turanism doesn't include any kind of religion in it (even not include our historical beliefs, like shamanism). Turan contains Turkic people and our Turan brothers and its major goal is to unite all those people on our historical homelands under the red flag (the Kızıltuğ). By the way, I said all those you said in different times on this page but nobody cares. With respect, Deliogul 15:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TÜRKEŞ!!!! HE IS ISLAMIST CHERKESS!!!!!!! 

message: You can read about the true face of Reha here. He had mental problems which possibly abandon him from thinking about Turan etc. Deliogul 21:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reha Oğuz Türkkan?! 

message: According to the United Nations definition, the state of Azerbaijan lies in Western Asia. If one includes it into Eastern Europe, then one should also include Kazakhstan, which has an equally tiny and questionable part in this region (though one might argue that it's in Southern Europe). As far as I know, Pan-Turanism is comparatively popular there. And what of the Tatars? --Humanophage 22:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azerbaijan in Eastern Europe? 

message: Captivity is an unacceptable term for the Turkic nation.
88.244.214.76 (talk) 19:37, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turan Is Bad 

message: Atatürk is not Turanism.Key persons should be removed from.
*Not recognize any borders, a state in the world as to combine all the Turks, is a goal not be reached. M.K.Atatürk
Sorry for my terrible English.I don't know English.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.163.200.70 (talk) 16:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atatürk 

message: The article by Mr. Farrokh is a combination of some very interesting research with conspiracy theory nonsense. I refer in part to the Bernard Lewis project based heavily on LaRouche sources. I think we'd be better off without such references; they're an embarrassment to the Wikipedia standards.
QLineOrientalist (talk) 01:32, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kaveh Farrokh's article 

message: Dear anonymous editor,
Your edits about Japanese Turanism are a little problematic. Your reference is not about Japanese hatred towards Koreans, but an official page about Jomon archeological sites in Northern Japan, so it should be removed. Your other reference on the same topic is a short article about a small group of Japanese who oppose the granting of voting rights to ethnic Korean permanent residents who do not have Japanese citizenship. In my opinion, it has nothing to do with Turanism. Your third reference is a primitive web page of a never heard of “organization”.
Yours sincerely,
Maghasito
--Maghasito (talk) 21:33, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Japanese and Koreans 

message: Mahsito removed modern English language references and replaced them with obsolete Hungarian nationalist interwar period tales and references. It is not metapedia.--Filederchest (talk) 20:34, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Maghasito's pseudoscientific political activity

message: Just read the thousands of books about the turanist thinking of the 19-20th century: https://www.google.com/search?q=Japanese+turanism&num=50&client=firefox-b-ab&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=bks&biw=1600&bih=842
--Filederchest (talk) 16:48, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've protected this page for 4 days to stop the edit-warring, enough is enough. GABgab 20:24, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Japan has a solid place in the 20th century Turanian fantasies

message: Of all things, the lede currently says Turanism includes "Chechens and Ingushes" (actually the plural is Ingush, just like fish). There is virtually no support for this that I've ever come across among Chechens and Ingush, who are not "Turanian" under any definition as like Georgians they are Peoples of the Caucasus. The citation used for this is a sketchy, malfunctioning, nationalist website written in Turkish and honestly staring at that is an eyesore but I couldn't find anything supporting the statement. Please remove. Thanks, --Calthinus (talk) 19:23, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: it is good that Chechens and Ingush are gone from the page. But now I see that Tibetans are there, with the exact same shady source. This is also not acceptable to me. --Calthinus (talk) 16:55, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request: remove "Chechens and Ingushes" OR

message: Edits by IP user  were reverted as possible vandalism by ClueBot NG, after which the IP went to edit war to get their version into the article. They were reverted by ,  and . Quite understandable, given the circumstances. The snag here is that the IP's edit was not vandalism, but an attempt to go back to an earlier version of the section. Unfortunately, the IP did not explain their edits very well in their edit summaries.
 created the section 13 September in this edit, with proper sourcing. Then  made some completely unsourced additions and was reverted by . Later, Maghasito has readded the text with some sources, but those sources are in my opinion not supporting the analysis, and large parts are still unsourced. I removed the addition once, but since I do not take part in edit wars, I ended up marking the section as WP:OR and WP:SYNTH and left the arena. I could just as well have added WP:EDITORIAL and WP:POV. It is this completely unsatisfactory version the IP wanted to remove, with which I agree. There may be parts of the addition that has merit, but that discussion has so far been made impossible by the edit warring of Maghasito and IP89.165.97.37. --T*U (talk) 12:20, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section "Pseudoscientific theories"