Talk:Lesbian/Archive 2

message: This article is prima facie of very light authority: no sources are cited unless one counts Lycurgus. In order for it to be taken more seriously citations need to be introduced. Admittedly topics of fluid form in current popular culture are hard to pin down in such a way but that must be done here.
Well, for my part, I added the two main characters from "South of Nowhere" under the entertainment section. After all, if those insipid chits from "The O.C." can take their place on the list, then Spencer and Ashley more than have a right to be on there. I'm afraid I don't know how to cite a television show, apart from linking to the Wikipedia entry for it. Firebreeze 00:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authority 

message: Comments moved to bottom of page. Newer comments should go to the bottom of a page. Dysprosia 01:41, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pornography 

message: I'm following the wake of a recent newbie (or possibly a vandal). There have been several recent changes. The most recent change may actually be an improvement in some way. Is somebody watching this page who can go over the recent history and straighten things out? P0M 04:09, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Changes 

message: I have moved the section on pornography to Depictions of lesbian sex in pornography and linked it from the See Also section.  The rationale is available at Talk:Depictions of lesbian sex in pornography, and I suggest that discussion of the move, as well as further discussion of the appropriateness of various images for that article, be directed there.  The Uninvited Co., Inc. 03:05, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just wanted to point out that I've since retitled the above-mentioned article as Lesbianism in erotica ("erotica" covering both erotic art and pornography) and am working on a complete rewrite of that article, as it is poorly referenced and very POV. Presently, I'm incorporating an art history type of survey of erotic lesbian themes into the article, covering both "high art" and porn. Later, I'll tackle the "sociology" around the issue. Contributions are welcome if the topic interests you. Iamcuriousblue 19:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move of pornography section 

message: Cut from article:
:However lesbian publications such as The Well of Loneliness were prosecuted in the courts.
I don't see how a book can be prosecuted. I'm guessing this is just a grammar error. Should be author was prosecuted or book was banned. Uncle Ed 03:11, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
Rephrase, don't censor.  - Outerlimits 03:23, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Publications

message: Let me guess, plagarised from Britannica? :\ Pretty pitiful --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 21:30, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is not. Why don't you either suggest some concrete improvements or be bold and make some improvements yourself? Dysprosia 02:26, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't agree with User:Mistress Selina Kyle's characterisation. Wyss 20:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Umm. This reads like a history book

message: Lopez's character is said to be lesbian except (as I've read) she ends up with "the guy" in the end. I don't think that really is indicative of lesbian behaviour. Dysprosia 05:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you might like to add her name to the bisexual article if there is an opportunity to do so. Dysprosia 08:55, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lopez 

message: First, I attend, from time to time, gay youth conferences (as a presenter) and the girls there are clearly lesbian and just as clearly not women. 
Second, I find it misleading to use the term "homosexual." Not inaccurate, but misleading since it is many things to many people. Why not keep it simple, and avoid the semblance of circular reasoning, by being a bit more explicit. I am sorry Dysprosia, but the argument that a particular formulation has been around a long time is not, by itself, sufficient. Haiduc 02:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the intro is rather sparse - compare with gay or other sexuality articles. SouthernComfort 16:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two objections to the intro 

message: what exactly did i remove? are you talking about the straight guy lesbian fetish, cuz umm HI THERE i wrote it myslef and then realized it didnt really fit in the intro and added to it and moved it to culture, bro. maybe its my fault for not summarizing if thats not it let me know, if it is let me know, i dont wanna cause any trouble and any vandalism on the lesbian page was unintentional pleae get back to me on thios as soon as possible
thanks
Qrc2006 09:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How many places are you going to ask this at? Its obvious that you need to learn how to comment in wikipedia. --Scott Grayban 10:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: This is weird, but when I look at the etymology section, there is some funky stuff about "all lesbians can fly" etc but when I try to edit it out, it won´t show up - as in, it´s just not there. I´ve refreshed my page a couple of times, but it´s still there. Can someone edit that out please, cause it´s just stupid. (Tho also kinda funny, really)
Thanks
:It is true: all lesbians can fly. Winona Gone Shopping 07:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: How exactly do lesbians have sex anyway?
:Oral sex. Strapons. — ceejayoz talk 15:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's not the end of the story, though. Dysprosia 10:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the article. Wikipedia is not a forum. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 05:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lesbian Sex 

message: "Jewish religious teachings condemn male homosexuality but are more lenient towards lesbianism, ruling it to be acceptable in an unmarried woman if this prevents her from premarital sexual relations with a male but it is not encouraged."
Can anyone give a source for this?  I've done quite a bit of reading on that topic and I've never encountered the point of view that lesbian sex is OK if it prevents premarital heterosexual sex. Judaism *does* tend to be more lenient with lesbianism than with male homosexuality, though. 
WikiGnome 06:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judaism's stance on Lesbians 

message: I noticed that this article doesn't mention Velma. But in Scooby Doo article it is briefly mentioned. --Extremophile 21:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Velma of Scooby Doo 

message: I noticed an inconsistency between the description of the play The Children's Hour on the play's article and the Lesbian article. The former states that in the play version of the story (as opposed to the film), the main characters are indeed involved in a lesbian relationship. The latter states that it as a "claim that is not true." I'm not familiar with the play, but one of the two articles is incorrect. (I am also postinf this on The Children's Hour (play)Porlob 13:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also just added the "Contrdadict-other" tag to draw attention to the inconsistency. There has still been no one familiar with the play comment on what the verdict is, although on the Children's Hour talk page someoe said that the play directly dealt with lesbianism, but didn't specify if the couple in the play was actually in a lesbian relationship or merely accused of being in one.
-Porlob 17:09, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As an immediate compromise that statement could be changed to: "... play schoolteachers accused by a disgruntled student of having a lesbian relationship, however the story is about the effect of an unsupported accusation, not lesbianism per se." which I think is an accurate statement regardless.--Invisifan 21:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I just discovered this discussion and apologize for editing out the assertion that it was an established fact that the two were lesbian as I could find no valid source at all.  But I did read several times that lesbians flocked to the showings and read the maximum into the script - understandable.  I posted a PDF file that was undeniably the BEST review of the play/movie?.   I've done some editing (no other deletions), and left my links scattered within the edit as I have run out of time and I am do not know how to do inline cites.  If you have any problem with what I have done, please feel free (naturally) to do what you think is necessary and tell me what the consensus and I will read when I drop in again.  --Green in learning mode 19:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Children's Hour 

message: I tried to explain why Dyke is not always a "bad word".  I used the parallel of the term nigger to make it clear to those who haven't witnessed it for themselves (or haven't used the word themselves in these ways).  Perogatives that are claimed by the targets, and then used within the community as a tool of empowerment, a way to forcefully drive shame from our self identity, is not just a good thing, but a very real thing. If you find this unclear or doubt it, please post here and let's see how many "Dykes" like me respond. ;o) --green Kiwi in learning mode 06:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: My editing of the use of Perogatives

message: Yes, I know there is an entire topic called Gay Community, but it reflects gay male community so much more - there is alog there that really does not relate to us at all.  But Lesbian Community so very different, intricate and complex that I think we need a section discuss the past, present and evolving future of Lesbian Community.  Feedback welcomed!  --A green Kiwi in learning mode 01:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding "Lesbian Community" a Topic Section

message: I've taken the Aussie Rules picture out (:Image:Women's tackle.jpg).  I'd suggest a picture of Martina Navratilova instead, but tennis isn't a contact sport. I don't like marginally relevant pictures added to articles just to prettify them rather than add substance.  The "contact sport" section is unverified.  And are all/most/any of the women depicted in this picture lesbian?  There's a difference between saying "many lesbians like contact sport" and saying "many women who like contact sport are lesbians"; to my mind the picture carries the latter subtext. jnestorius(talk) 00:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. We all know there are lots of popular organized lesbian sports but it's unhelpful to throw into this article a picture of a bunch of girls playing a contact sport, with the overwhelming implication that they're lesbian, without knowing if they are or not. Yeah, they likely are but it needs to be supported. Likewise mentioning other sports. I've seen girls' volleyball and basketball leagues in some places which were made up mostly of lesbians, but seen others which were mostly straight girls. Gwen Gale 16:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contact sport 

message: I've removed the (lack of) diversity box from the media section only because there is such a paucity of comparable lesbian material (movies, TV production, widely distributed books and so on) in non-western culture that the skew in the real world is simply reflected in the article. I'd say that editors who think there's a lack of cited material from other cultures should put some in. I do know some Bollywood productions lightly hint at lesbian themes, for example, but I think it's wholly misleading to readers to slap a warning about lack of diversity in the article when it seems to mirror a corresponding lack of representation of this topic in non-western cultures. Gwen Gale 15:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Diversity box removed

message: There are a few notable characters missing from the comics section.  Namely Katchoo from Strangers in Paradise and you could devote an entire sub article to Y the Last Man.  I'm sure there are more, but these are the most glaring omissions I could think of. FredNash
:So add them? Gwen Gale 22:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comics Section 

message: Where is the section of the article that talks about the number of girls under the age of 30 being turned into homosexuals? How the cult or cultually they have created has affected modern society. The article also needs to also let people know what manner of symblos or codes they use. Ex. fingernail colors, or be it pink hair coloring. etc etc. What does their community have in plan for the social structure of what has always been. You know more info. etc.--Margrave1206 18:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wants more info

message: This article needs to be edited, due to the overwhelming fact it has a pro-lesbian stance. My previous comments where deleted by someone who deems themselves a god over this article and will not allow for fair discussion of this articles poor structure. "From a scientific point of view should it not be mentioned that lesbianism is caused by an imbalance, also what about a psychological state of mind? From this article and the LUG article, it seems to imply that girls can become homosexual one-second and the next be regular women. These articles are very troublesome, and need more balance with reality instead of being bias.--Margrave1206 18:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there's simply no need for the editors here to address this nonsense over and over again. Accurate facts and unbiased writing certainly don't constitute an agenda, except the agenda that is mandated by WP policies. It's perfectly acceptable to remove non-productive commentary (although it should technically be Archived instead of simply deleted). Which is exactly what is going to happen here again. Doc  Tropics 19:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article needs to be deleted to corrected. It reads like a pro-lesbians campaign add. Where is the scientific information in dealing such a persons psychological state.Does non productive mean truth, nor is it something that those that made this article don't want to hear? However this article needs to be made worthy of an encyclopedia.--Margrave1206 20:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No doubt you think "worthy" means it should reflect your personal bias and prejudices (which are blatantly obvious in your contribtution history), but it just ain't gonna happen. This article, as it stands, is both well written and fully compliant with our policies and guidelines. Unless you have something constructive to add, please just move on. Doc  Tropics 20:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Gwen Gale I am sure that your threats work on others, however I shall not be intimidated by you or your cohorts. As it stands the article is not neutral!--Margrave1206 20:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias article "Agenda"