Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Television stations task force/Archive 4

message: Our old talk page, now Archive 3 (I also updated the archive table to standards), was a whopping 167 KB, so I archived it. Feel free to add anything else we need. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 21:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving

message: Is listing stuff like "(NBC Weather Plus/The Tube/The CW/MyNetworkTV/etc. on DT2/3/4)" really necessary? I think it clogs up the market boxes, and if necessary, we can add something like the local cable channels, e.g. on , if it's a CW/MNTV affil. Something like  " "My Madison TV" (WISC-TV [DT2]) (MNTV). --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 21:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it's heavy and stretches it. In one case (Template:Imperial Valley TV) it's redundant. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 22:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not see any issues with that one.  has some issues with that though. --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 22:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Listing of DT channels in market boxes

message: I have opened up a petition to save the logo galleries at my home page.(Please Sign Petition) --WIKISCRIPPS 07 SUN OCT 15 2006 9:04 PM EDT
:Galleries of logos go against Wikipedia policy. No matter how many WP:TVS member signatures you get, it won't change the policy. If you really want to get the policy changed, I recommend going to one of the relevant image policy discussion pages, although it seems unlikely it would even happen there. I'm sorry. Firsfron of Ronchester 02:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Petition to Keep Logo Galleries as they previously were... 

message: Since apparently, we need to type up a rationale to appease the paranoid people, I've invented a quick template to satisfy the need
 should satisfy the rationale guidelines to stop images from being rampantly deleted. 
To place it, just copy this  and just put the station's callsign where the CALLS text is. --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 14:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But it's such a PITA to type that stupid thing up every time. I don't think it takes a genius what the image is used for. --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 01:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not make a template that you subst and adjust, then? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about something like ? Some Person 01:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use rationale for TV logos 

message: The newly-rechristened Template:MyTV Oklahoma had been stuck with UPN on it for a month. I gave it the update it desperately needed. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 20:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  From fair use to neglected templates 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages: 
*User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Sports Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents)
*User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory, and
*User:Badbilltucker/Science directory
and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory.
The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. 
It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now moved the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 13:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Directory 

message: :Courtesy blanked. Daniel (talk) 12:33, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Administrator help, please? 

message: KUNP-LP, a LPTV station has been nominated for deletion based on a poorly-written article with out-of-date information. I've presented a case for keeping it, but could use some additional commentary. Thanks in advance. dhett 09:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and fixed the article up. Please vote to keep so my hard work is not deleted! DHowell 04:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, if I read the rules correctly, an AfD is good for five days, then a decision needs to be made about whether or not to delete. That five-day period was up last weekend. Thanks for fixing up the article, DHowell - I was going to wait for a resolution to the AfD, but your efforts were definitely welcome. I know Sandstein doesn't agree with the outcome; perhaps we need to revisit our notability standards, as the standards he wanted to apply just don't seem to fit broadcast entities, in my opinion. dhett 08:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  KUNP-LP nominated for deletion 

message: Rollo writes: There is a potential editing war brewing over WWOR-TV, WPSG, and WTXX involving myself and Marckd, who insists in adding redundant,
marckd: this information is not redundant. In all three articles I stated information once.
rollo: unverifiable
marckd: I have TV Guides and artciles that verify my statements. Any statement I cannot prove I formally took back. See WPSG edit and revisions
rollo: unnecessary information (clutter) to these articles. 
marckd: A matter of opinion and very arbitrary. The content I added was in the same league as much of the article.
Here is my take on it
===WPSG===
The statement in question was the order in which NBC got Channel 10 and Fox got Channel 29. This took place in 1995 at a time when stations were selling and swapping right and left. It was tough to even keep track of dates because of dozens of sales every week. So I could not verify my statements for sure. It would take hours of research to do this and I have no time to spend on this project. So I took back my statements on this and will leave WPSG alone unless innacurate information gets posted which I believe is UNLIKELY. I give Rollosmokes this one.
===WWOR===
For months Rollosmokes insisted WWOR-TV added loads of evening sitcoms in the 1987 overhaul when they actually did not do this until 1988. After months of bickering back and forth my statement finally stuck. My Joe Franklin and Noon News statements were stated in past newscasts section and local productions sections. Those statements were redundant and therefore mentioned already. My statement on the 70's WOR-TV format eventually stuck as well. Rollosmokes insisted game shows and drama shows were redundant mentions but had a change of heart back in September.
Still he insists that WWOR kept religion past the fall of 1987 and only added cartoons to weekdays. I have listings that prove otherwise. But he insists I am wrong. He even stated I am wrong. WWOR in September 1987 dropped all their religious shows except for Mass and World Tomorrow. In October World Tomorrow was also gone. Still on my talk page Rollosmokes insists WWOR was still running Oral Roberts and Day Of Discovery and Jimmy Swaggart. Iw ent through TV Guide with a fine tooth comb and did not find any religion on WWOR after the first week in October. He continues to question my accuracy. That is what is angering me so much.
===WTXX===
Rollosmokes insists that WTXX had only a part-time LMA with WVIT from 1993 to 1996. That is true. BUT he insists it only included the 10 PM to 1 AM time slots. He implies that WTXX either ran sitcoms that they retained from Renaissance a few hours or ran HSN programming all day long. His writing leaves a typical reader wondering.
The 1993-1996 LMA with WTXX and WVIT included 7 to 10 AM 7 days a week. It also included 10 PM to 1 AM 7 days a week. But it also included a weekday block from 3 to 7 PM. During all the daytime blocks WTXX only ran cartoons and childrens shows. These were barter shows that had contracts that demanded they be run and not rested. Therefore WTXX ran ad-time and programming from WVIT from 7 to 10 AM as well as 3 to 7 PM and 10 PM to 1 AM. His writing though implies otherwise. I am willing to state it was syndicated shows rather than state they were cartoons. But I insist on acknowledging that the LMA included time slots besides a 10 Pm newscast and late night programs.
Rollosmokes also made an innacurate statement that WTXX reacquired stronger shows in the fall of 1995. That too is innacurate. WTXX still ran mostly cartoons and shop at home programs until March of 1996 when the contract with HSN expired. They did run UPN programming, but UPN only aired 2 or 3 nights a week. On non UPN nights HSN shows still aired. They also continued to air HSN during the day 11 AM to 3 PM. It was late in March in 1996 when stronger shows would appear on WTXX. They were not reacquired however. The syndicated shows WTXX began to air for the most part never aired prior to 1993. At that point the LMA with Viacom became full-time. All I have done was make this correction. Rollosmokes keeps insitsing I am wrong. I do have TV listings to verify my claim. I also stated that WTXX and WTIC TV now share facilities and began to do so in 1999. I can verify that they share facilities but cannot yet verify a date they began to do this. I will have to eventually make a few phone calls to verify an accurate date. So I am not pushing that issue yet.
So I am angry that I am being told that my statements are wrong. All I ask is that accuirate information be included and incorrect information be excluded.
sincerely Marckd
:I will speak my piece with this comment I left on Marckd's talk page:
::It is my belief that your additions to WWOR-TV, WTXX, and WPSG are filled with: 1) redundancies; and 2) needless, useless over-information that does not bring anything to the article.
::Examples:
::*WWOR-TV: you continue to insist on your rewriting the paragraph detailing the changes made to the station during 1987-88.  The text as it was previously written keeps the details simple, and they do not need to be further explained.  Also, the information is inaccurate -- WWOR retained other religious programs on Sundays other than the Catholic Mass.  They still ran Oral Roberts, The Hour of Power, and (if I can correctly recall) Day of Discovery and/or The World Tomorrow for a while after the ownership change/programming overhaul.
::*WTXX: at this point, it really isn't necessary to list ALL of the time periods when WTXX ran syndicated programming during its post-Renaissance days, during the HSN/WVIT LMA period.  This information is unnecessary.  Once again, the text as it is written keeps the details simple.
::*WPSG: the lines about the NBC/New World pursuit of WCAU-TV DO NOT BELONG in this article, as it had absolutely NOTHING TO DO with WGBS-TV -- it was separate from Fox's attempt to buy the station.  And the text was ripped verbatim from WCAU, which doesn't make it exactly original.  All your other changed in regards to this paragraph were completely unnecessary.
:My argument is simple: going ga-ga over details, and going over every little thing (as Marckd has explained in his above lenghty schedule post) can really be simplified with a few words.  And, until he came along, NO ONE had any problems with the text at WWOR or WTXX other than, say, CoolKatt number 99999.  There is no need for the addition of these small, trivial tidbits.  Also, we should stay away from adding info that is not central to the main subject (i.e. WPSG).  That's all.  Rollosmokes 16:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Kirjtc2, some of these TV station profiles are a complete joke.  A lot of the news schedule information posted on these pages is just too trival...WHO CARES!  If anyones needs to know what time the particular station's news comes on, then just go to their website, simple as that.  It's gotten to a point to where and why I even bother editing some of those pages, from grammatical errors to the most trivial information...it's a pain in the ass!  Then, we have some of the most anal-renetive people here making unnecessary edits.  Like I said, why even bother.ShawnHill 01:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: MY ANSWER TO ADMINISTRATORS

message: Rollosmokes insists that WTXX had only a part-time LMA with WVIT from 1993 to 1996. That is true. BUT he insists it only included the 10 PM to 1 AM time slots. He implies that WTXX either ran sitcoms that they retained from Renaissance a few hours or ran HSN programming all day long. His writing leaves a typical reader wondering.
The 1993-1996 LMA with WTXX and WVIT included 7 to 10 AM 7 days a week. It also included 10 PM to 1 AM 7 days a week. But it also included a weekday block from 3 to 7 PM. During all the daytime blocks WTXX only ran cartoons and childrens shows. These were barter shows that had contracts that demanded they be run and not rested. Therefore WTXX ran ad-time and programming from WVIT from 7 to 10 AM as well as 3 to 7 PM and 10 PM to 1 AM. His writing though implies otherwise. I am willing to state it was syndicated shows rather than state they were cartoons. But I insist on acknowledging that the LMA included time slots besides a 10 Pm newscast and late night programs.
Rollosmokes also made an innacurate statement that WTXX reacquired stronger shows in the fall of 1995. That too is innacurate. WTXX still ran mostly cartoons and shop at home programs until March of 1996 when the contract with HSN expired. They did run UPN programming, but UPN only aired 2 or 3 nights a week. On non UPN nights HSN shows still aired. They also continued to air HSN during the day 11 AM to 3 PM. It was late in March in 1996 when stronger shows would appear on WTXX. They were not reacquired however. The syndicated shows WTXX began to air for the most part never aired prior to 1993. At that point the LMA with Viacom became full-time. All I have done was make this correction. Rollosmokes keeps insitsing I am wrong. I do have TV listings to verify my claim. I also stated that WTXX and WTIC TV now share facilities and began to do so in 1999. I can verify that they share facilities but cannot yet verify a date they began to do this. I will have to eventually make a few phone calls to verify an accurate date. So I am not pushing that issue yet.
So I am angry that I am being told that my statements are wrong. All I ask is that accuirate information be included and incorrect information be excluded.
sincerely Marckd
:I will speak my piece with this comment I left on Marckd's talk page:
::It is my belief that your additions to WWOR-TV, WTXX, and WPSG are filled with: 1) redundancies; and 2) needless, useless over-information that does not bring anything to the article.
::Examples:
::*WWOR-TV: you continue to insist on your rewriting the paragraph detailing the changes made to the station during 1987-88.  The text as it was previously written keeps the details simple, and they do not need to be further explained.  Also, the information is inaccurate -- WWOR retained other religious programs on Sundays other than the Catholic Mass.  They still ran Oral Roberts, The Hour of Power, and (if I can correctly recall) Day of Discovery and/or The World Tomorrow for a while after the ownership change/programming overhaul.
::*WTXX: at this point, it really isn't necessary to list ALL of the time periods when WTXX ran syndicated programming during its post-Renaissance days, during the HSN/WVIT LMA period.  This information is unnecessary.  Once again, the text as it is written keeps the details simple.
::*WPSG: the lines about the NBC/New World pursuit of WCAU-TV DO NOT BELONG in this article, as it had absolutely NOTHING TO DO with WGBS-TV -- it was separate from Fox's attempt to buy the station.  And the text was ripped verbatim from WCAU, which doesn't make it exactly original.  All your other changed in regards to this paragraph were completely unnecessary.
:My argument is simple: going ga-ga over details, and going over every little thing (as Marckd has explained in his above lenghty schedule post) can really be simplified with a few words.  And, until he came along, NO ONE had any problems with the text at WWOR or WTXX other than, say, CoolKatt number 99999.  There is no need for the addition of these small, trivial tidbits.  Also, we should stay away from adding info that is not central to the main subject (i.e. WPSG).  That's all.  Rollosmokes 16:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WTXX

message: ON WWOR: 
Rollosmokes writes: " Also, the information is inaccurate -- WWOR retained other religious programs on Sundays other than the Catholic Mass.  They still ran Oral Roberts, The Hour of Power, and (if I can correctly recall) Day of Discovery and/or The World Tomorrow for a while after the ownership change/programming overhaul."
Marckd: NOT QUITE - The ownership change occurred April of 1987. At that point religious shows, syndicated shows, sports, movies, etc REMAINED THE SAME. The only change was the call letters to WWOR and a temporary logo replaced their long-time logo. There were VIRTUALLY no programming changes in April or May. That June the summer schedule changed as usual. It would have under RKO. There were only typical changes. Religious shows still remained.
The changes would occur in September. A new logo replaced the squarish one. This was when that overhaul occurred. At that point all religious shows all 7 days were dropped EXCEPT for Mass and World Tomorrow. In October World Tomorrow was gone as well. This overhaul occurred in several rounds. Round One dropped all but 2 religious shows, added cartoons, moved newscasts, added a few better shows. That happened in September. Round 2 overhauled prime time adding Morton Downey and dropping World Tomorrow. That happened in October. I have listings to back my claim up and am ready to furnish them. Also I ask moderators to check as well. Just find a library with New York Times and look up TV sections in September 1987, October 1987, and May 1987. My claims will be proven correct. These listings have about 97 % accuracy from what I am told. It also supports my claim that cartoons did occupy 7 mornings a week.
On WPSG - I concede that I cannot prove my statements 100 % accurate without consuming alot of time. Plus TV station sales were happening daily it seemed and it would be tough to prove chronology. So I have NOT TOUCHED THIS ARTICLE SINCE YESTERDAY. THIS IS NOW A DEAD ISSUE. I DROPPED THIS ISSUE SO LETS MOVE ON
On WTXX:
Rollosmokes writes: "::*WTXX: at this point, it really isn't necessary to list ALL of the time periods when WTXX ran syndicated programming during its post-Renaissance days, during the HSN/WVIT LMA period.  
Marckd: But he insists on including 10:30 PM to 1 AM. 3 to 7 PM is definately as much watched timeslot as 10 PM - 1 AM. And his writing puts people under the impression that WTXX ran shopping until 10 PM. Plus dates when format changed were mixed up as well. I have listings to prove that as well. I say either include all three time slots or include none and only mention the 10 PM newscast. 
Rollosmokes: This information is unnecessary.  
Marckd: Arbitrary opinion - Not fact - What some think is unnecessarily another may feel different.
Rollosmokes: Once again, the text as it is written keeps the details simple.''
Marckd: The text as I had it was still quite simple. Sentences were not dramatically longer. My edits the last couple days were not exactly complex. My statements clarified information.
ON THE PAST:
Rollosmokes: My argument is simple: going ga-ga over details, and going over every little thing (as Marckd has explained in his above lenghty schedule post) can really be simplified with a few words.  
Marckd: MY changes WERE ONLY A FEW WORDS...They were not long dissertations.
Rollosmokes: And, until he came along, NO ONE had any problems with the text at WWOR or WTXX other than, say, CoolKatt number 99999.  
Marckd: Actually many of these articles did not exist prior to when I came along. In Fact I originated quite a few of these articles. I am unsure if I originated WTXX. I would have to look. Actually if WTXX was there back then, it was only a very brief paragraph. Also by the way much of WPSG's article was written by me. So most of the TV articles were eithe much shorter or nonexistant. Also Rollosmokes is the only one with major problems on my articles in terms of content. A couple others have had issues more on writing form. But most changes on my articles came from Rollosmokes. He is the big instigator on changes made in TV articles. Still he changes other writings as well.
By the way I will give credit where due. Recently someone spread rumors that CBS might buy WPIX. Rollosmokes nipped this rumor quickly. In fact I agree with Rollosmokes. WPIX is not being sold to CBS or anyone else. I like the fact he dispells rumors and true innacuracy. But while I agree with him on many of his conclusions, in the WTXX and WWOR situations, I take serious issue still. If I had no information to back up my claims it would be one thing but I have listings in front of me.
There is no need for the addition of these small, trivial tidbits.  Also, we should stay away from adding info that is not central to the main subject (i.e. WPSG).  That's all.  Rollosmokes 16:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC
Hear, hear....I hate to say this, but TV station articles in general seem to be among the most rambling, incoherent articles in Wikipedia. They're chock-full of cruft, speculation, overemphasis on minutiae such as graphics and news music, and information that is tangential at best to the topic at hand (seriously, does every US station on satellite in Canada need to have that fact mentioned in the opening paragraph?); and way too many editors seem to want to keep it that way. It's come to the point where I've been removing more info from articles than adding it. As I've said before, I think most articles in this project need a total, top-to-bottom overhaul. Kirjtc2 20:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Kirjtc2, some of these TV station profiles are a complete joke.  A lot of the news schedule information posted on these pages is just too trival...WHO CARES!  If anyones needs to know what time the particular station's news comes on, then just go to their website, simple as that.  It's gotten to a point to where and why I even bother editing some of those pages, from grammatical errors to the most trivial information...it's a pain in the ass!  Then, we have some of the most anal-renetive people here making unnecessary edits.  Like I said, why even bother.ShawnHill 01:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I STand by my statements - Have listings to prove it

message: Over the past 3 months, events have occurred here at WP:TVS that are just very hot. First, it's CoolKatt and his edit wars, resulting in him leaving TVS for a year. Now, one of the key guys in CoolKatt, Rollosmokes, is warring again. I am considering leaving TVS until the entire project returns from 212 degrees Fahrenheit back to 70. TTV (talk) 00:38, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do what you must, but that would remove from WP:TVS a consistent voice of reason. Myself, I'd prefer that you remain an antidote to the madness. I don't like everything going on, either, but there's enough here to keep me busy without having to involve myself in the soap opera. I hope you reconsider. dhett 00:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I concur with Dhett.  We need as many level-headed folks as we can to keep the inmates from taking over the asylum.  Gosh knows I don't like to edit war (really, who does?) but those are the things we have to deal with.  Fighting CoolKatt didn't break me, so don't let all these events discourage you from making positive contributions.  Rollosmokes 04:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am considering leaving 

message: Over a few pages, I've noticed that, on some station articles, administrative staff (in one case, all the way down to the receptionist) has been listed.  I've cleaned up several of these (as per WP:NOT/directory), but would like to propose that, essentially, on-air staff be included in Wiki articles, but that off-air staff not.  I didn't see anything about the topic in the archive, although I could have missed it.  Thoughts?  Amnewsboy 09:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the news director/manager? TTV (MyTV|PolygonZ|Green Valley) 22:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Other than TrackerTV, it doesn't appear that anyone else wishes to share an opinion on this, so I'll share mine: Current staff: General Manager, News Director, and on-air staff only.Former staff: People who have been notable on a national level. Examples: current network on-air staff, significant network front office personnel, and politicians, either local or national.dhett 02:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Staff Issues 

message: We were lacking a derivative of the cleanup template. I have created Template:TVS-cleanup to rectify this. I will be looking at articles that need cleanup, and the idea was based off problems with WEEK-TV. TTV (MyTV|PolygonZ|Green Valley) 22:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. For anyone using this template, or any other cleanup template, please don't forget to put a comment on the talk page to let people know exactly what needs attention. In the case of WEEK-TV, I'm assuming the issue is the long, and in my opinion, unnecessary, list of current and former personalities at the station, most of which are missing links. dhett 01:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not to mention  being so predominant in the history section. TTV (MyTV|PolygonZ|Green Valley) 01:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:TVS-cleanup]] 

message: I have once again caught User:Strafidlo replacing clean images of logos with poorly-looking background-filled website versions, such as on WCVB-TV and WGGB-TV. (Not to mention his repeated additions of unencyclopedic cruft to articles like WNAC-TV, but that's beside the point...) Any thoughts? Kirjtc2 18:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Strafidlo is a poor editor, one who doesn't listen to anyone's suggestions and keeps on doint the same things over and over again.  He doesn't even return comments about his behavior on his talk page, so we're left only to clean up his mess.  Something needs to be done about him and others like Marckd (who continues to violate WP:POINT with his insistence on making trivial changes to WWOR-TV and WTXX).  Rollosmokes 18:59, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Shouldn't we at least try to leave a message on his talk page? (I don't think he'll reply to it, but he might actually listen.) RfC might be a little harsh, but if it needs to be done, then so be it.  —Whomp (myedits) 19:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

text: This was actually Donotsayno, but look at this: . Wow. Just wow. Kirjtc2 00:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean logo redux 

message: In case you haven't already noticed, someone went in and changed the redirect target of UHF from Ultra high frequency to the UHF disambiguation page again. I'm not sure they fully appreciated the ramifications of such a change, but it's done, and it's probably for the best. However, this will affect many TV articles where the editor decided it was much easier to type UHF than to type UHF. (Like I did - serves me right for being lazy and linking to a redirect.) Anyway, just a heads up that a lot of articles now have broken links. Someone started changing articles with a bot, but that had other consequences as well, not all of which I was crazy about. I've fixed the new article template and several articles that I had done, but if you encounter a UHF link, please consider fixing it. Or if you have the inclination, start going through the articles and fixing them, or use a bot. Yeah, it would be easier just changing the redirect back, but you know somebody's just going to change it back in the future, and we'll be here all over again.  dhett 15:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the alert. I will try to fix these as I find them. Firsfron of Ronchester 16:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UHF