Talk:List of Lost episodes/Archive 4

message: We should create a page for lost moments.
Yeah why is there absolutely nothing on this site about lost moments?
:Because they are non-notable commercials.  And please sign your comments with ~~~~. Lumaga 19:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read up on Wikipedia's criteria for notability here. Lumaga 22:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.  They're advertisements for future episodes of Lost.  And please sign your comments with ~~~~. Lumaga 01:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Create a page for Lost Moments 

message: I've tenatively reduced this to semi-protection. It seems to me that with talk slowing down that edit warring won't immediatly begin. However, I've left it semi protected for a week or two to aovid new editors coimng in, posting rumors and upsetting teh apple cart. Hopefully if you guys can avoid the problems for a few weeks, we can open this up fully. 
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Robdurbar (talk • contribs) 19:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unprotection

message: Oh, what a joke.  We had confirmation on December 6th.  "Prehash."  Anyway, ABC Medianet has posted photos and a description of the episode February 7th episode "Not in Portland" .  --theDemonHog 17:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Confirmation

message: :Flashes Before Your Eyes
:Tricia Tanaka Is Dead
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daviddukeuk (talk • contribs).
:Read above discussion.  --theDemonHog 00:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep.  IMDB is generally a horribly unreliable source for future content, especially TV episodes.  --Milo H Minderbinder 13:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Probable Episode Titles[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0453746/] 

message: Why are there no screenshots? 
# It is perfectly legal to use screenshots under fair use
# Wikipedia is designed to be content rich and helpful to users, not to cater for those with slow internet connections
# This aticle is so much better with the screenshots
124.189.227.80 01:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are fair use yes, I can say my self however now I've grown fond of it without, I wouldn't object to re-adding them now, the discussion showed they are perfectly fair use. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 01:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree with you, however some people are - actually I'm not sure what their motives are - will not allow screenshots.  --thedemonhog 06:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

text: You may be interested in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Lost#Promotional_images_.2F_character_images - a conversation I've started regarding our use of fair use of ABC Medianet etc. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 14:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screenshots 

message: Episode titles and descriptions for 3x09 ("Stranger in a Strange Land") and 3x10 ("Tricia Tanaka Is Dead") have been confirmed by ABC Medianet in the February Sweeps bundle.
*ABC Medianet February Press Release Bundle: (Word doc) (PDF)
--Jabrwocky7 17:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So has 3.12. http://abcmedianet.com/DNR/2007/doc/dnr022607.doc I can't add the source to the article coz it's protected, can an admin to this please? --The monkeyhate 17:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  3x09 and 3x10 - titles and synopses officially confirmed 

message: Is there a source on him narrating?  Sure sounded like him, but we should be official, was he listed in the credits?  --Milo H Minderbinder 00:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I typed it in from the credits.  --  Wikipedical 00:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kyle MacLachlan 

message: This revert war seems to be leading nowhere.  Do we want a mediation (Ugh) for the boone/boone/shannon issue?  --  Wikipedical 22:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We've already discussed this and reached a consensus.  Obviously we can discuss it again, but Vozas doesn't even seem to want to bring it up on talk pages.  I started a thread at Talk:Characters of Lost#Flashback characters - if we reach a clear consensus, that should put an end to it.  If someone keeps reverting in violation of consensus, that's disruptive and they can be blocked.  Mediation is only necessary when there's no consensus, and that's not the case here, this just seems to be one editor who doesn't care what anyone else thinks.  --Milo H Minderbinder 15:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Milo, you may not know what a consensus is, but consensus certainly isn't determined in fans going "I believe she isn't a flashback character." - presently Vozas has the facts in his favour. You're also going to need to provide rationale as why a fan definition of a flashback character is appropriate in an encyclopaedia. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 15:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hearts and Minds mediation? 

message: When listing the characters in Lost (season 1), Lost (season 2) and Lost (season 3), should we include last names or just their most common names?  --thedemonhog 00:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season articles cast format 

message: Appears the source given for these is invalid, all it states is (for example) "Episode 101 [..]", not "Production code 101", anyone got another official source for this, Addendum: Do we actually have any use for these? Seem trivial at best. Secondly User:Wikipedical] states "reformatting a little and adding back production codes per standard on most 'list of episodes' articles", I'd be interested in seeing this standard, as to be honest some do and some don't, I wouldn't call a 50/50 a standard. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 18:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not believe the source from abc.com is invalid here.  If it were just listing episodes, it would read "Episode 1," "Episode 2," instead of "Episode 101," "Episode 102" etc.  However, you are right that there is no standard on Wikipedia and that after looking through many episode lists, you had a good estimate.  About half of lists have production codes, maybe on the greater side, (Featured episode lists with them are The Simpsons, Stargate, and South Park).  In our FL nom, many editors who Strong Supported the nomination stated how "informative" the article is.  On this note, I personally think production codes do add to the article.  And because Lost's production codes are pretty easy to understand (120 is season 1, episode 20), as opposed to the Simpsons' (9F07 is season 4, episode 9), I think its just as useful as listing episode numbers.  Other thoughts?  --  Wikipedical 19:03, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure where you pulled that just because they have an episode listing with numbers (which could be interpreted to mean something else - such as Season1Episode01) that they must be production codes? You also make my point as to them being unneeded "because Lost's production codes are pretty easy to understand" thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text: My point is since there is no difference between having 101 and 1, we should have 101 for consistency with the official source.  --  Wikipedical 19:48, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then it would simply be better to refer to the episode as 101, not a production code, per WP:VERIFY and as I challenge it, I've removed them. "The obligation to provide a reliable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not with those seeking to remove it." -- WP:VERIFY. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 21:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production codes 

message: All the summaries from season 3 were copied and pasted.  I'm afraid to look at the first two seasons.  Some of the episode pages probably have the same problem as well.  It's probably an unintended side effect of the note telling people they have to cite a source for upcoming episodes, so maybe the note should be updated to say summarize reliable sources, but don't copy them. - Peregrine Fisher 05:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not going to into a revert war over these copyright violations, but they're against wikipida policy, and illegal.  I love making list of episode pages, and it pains me to remove info from them, but it's the only way to get people to write new summaries.  You should probably undo your revert. - Peregrine Fisher 06:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, but I think that we should write the summaries before we remove the old ones.  --thedemonhog 00:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Copyright infringement is non-negotiable, we remove infringing text until it's re-written. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 11:10, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. non negotianable policy of wikipedia. text should not be placed back. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 14:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy vio summaries 

message: Request to edit the page to the version here (06:11, 26 February 2007).  This specific change has been discussed here and consensus reached - the reverting has been from one disruptive editor who refuses to accept consensus.  --Milo H Minderbinder 20:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I object to this change until we reach a consensus, contrary to what Milo states there is no consensus, yet. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll certainly agree that the consensus isn't unanimous, but there's certainly consensus.  The discussion is there for an admin to read and interpret, also see additional discussion of the same thing here.  A decision from an admin would be appreciated.  --Milo H Minderbinder 20:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like debatable speculation to me. Ashibaka (tock) 22:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it any more debatable speculation than the current version?  If you really think it's just speculation, maybe instead of editing the names, the field should just be removed (since any info there would also be debatable speculation).--Milo H Minderbinder 22:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok Ashibaka (tock) 22:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admin request for edit 

message: Finally, thanks to an ABC Medianet schedule grid, we can now safely say that episode 314 about Nikki and Paulo is called Expos, not "Expose" or "Exposé."   --thedemonhog 08:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expos title confirmation 

message: Now we've got the images back into the LOE the problem returns again that that they are pretty variable, some are 4:3, preferably they should all be wide-screen, I'm going to g through season one soon (then onto two) and redo most of them and make them all the same dimensions. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 16:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll help you and pick some more appropriate images for some of the episodes, such as the "Homecoming" picture, which depicts a deleted scene.  --thedemonhog 20:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try and pick ones that aren't too dark while you're at it.  On my old monitor, I can't tell what some of them depict, like the one used on Solitary (Lost). - Peregrine Fisher 21:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe I'll adjust the brightness and contrast.  --thedemonhog 00:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, I've changed just about every image to a ~1.8 screencap.  --thedemonhog 00:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Various dimensions 

message: This is a request to edit here
Under policy currently imposed on this page, I will not editing this page but requesting the editors to do so if they find my sources reliable.
This source seems to be reilable, their resources are collected from multiple sources, e.g. ABC, Entertainment Weekly, USA Today, WCHS and Kristin on E!Online.
New Lost episode titles with featuring chracter(s) from 4 April 2007 to 25 April 2007:
:Episode 3.15 Title: Left Behind
:Featured Character: Kate
:Airdate: 4 April 2007
:Episode 3.16: One of Us (fka "Truth about Lying")
:Featured Character: Juliet
:Airdate: 11 April 2007
:Episode 3.17: Catch-22
:Featured Character: Desmond
:Airdate: 18 April 2007
:Episode 3.18: D.O.C.
:Featured Character: Jin
:Airdate: 25 April 2007
The preceding comment was added by MiniEntente at 01:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry.  Rumor sources aren't good enough, they aren't always reliable with their info.  New titles are added when they are confirmed by an official source.  --Milo H Minderbinder 13:49, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upcoming Episode Titles[http://www.spoilerfix.com/lost.php] 

message: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lost: The Journey (fourth nomination). -- Ned Scott 06:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD notice for clipshow, Lost: The Journey 

message: I've been noticing poor puncuation and spelling, as well as altogether unprofessional writing of the sypnosis' for the past couple of episodes (of season three, to be completely exact) - they seem to be more appropriate for a fan page than an encyclopedia. What can be done to improve this? 155.43.22.48 16:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode summaries 

message: You know, Episodes that are canceled or something.--Ķĩřβȳ♥♥♥ŤįɱéØ 10:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh? Matthew 10:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambig for "lost" episodes? 

message: I really don't think we need screen captures there. I mean come on that can be illustrated with text and it is, it's this sort of usage that puts legitimate usage of screen captures in LOEs at risk. I've always been pro-fair use for screen captures within LOEs, but I think that "Specials and recaps" captures goes too far, really.. what is there to illustrate? Matthew 10:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are unnecessary, however I think that they should be kept.  While I'm here I will say that the DVD covers should return as well.  --thedemonhog talk contributions 22:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specials and recaps screen captures 

message: There is discussion at WP:AN/I#Fancruft_issue_again, and an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kept Man that is attempting to create a precedent disallowing individual episodes. - Peregrine Fisher 18:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempt to create precedent disallowing individual episodes 

message: There's presently a discussion at WP:AN in regards to image usage in LOEs. With several having gone as far to edit war in the hopes of removing images. You are invited to participate and give opinions, so that another consensus (of many) may be reached, again. Matthew 12:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So what has been decided? It seems that the discussion at WP:AN has already been removed, and the images are gone.. //Iquinnm 23:39, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage of images in LOEs 

message: I don't feel these really belong on this page as they're not truly episodes. I think they should be moved off into a separate article that can go into a little more detail on each one. Or better yet just merge it into Lost: The Journey and rename that page. I don't fell that article really has enough info to stand on its own anyway. It'd be better if it talked about all of them. -- DocNox 23:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specials and recaps 

message: I unprotected this page.  All editors are responsible for working towards a compromise, which means discussing things on the talk page and avoiding reverts.  Don't continue edit warring here. CMummert · talk 14:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unprotected 

message: I propose we remove this due to redundancy. Firstly, it duplicates the header (which states the season number), secondly it also duplicates the episode number. It seems to be more of a "space filler" to me. Any comments? Matthew 14:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "# Season" 

message: I'd like to discuss potential use of an image in this article, as I feel it would contribute significantly and not be merely decorative.  If we do add an image, it absolutely needs to follow the criteria set at WP:NONFREE (I'd encourage reading the whole policy):
"Non-free content contributes significantly to an article (e.g., it identifies the subject of an article, or illustrates specific, relevant points or sections in the text); it does not serve a purely decorative purpose. The use of non-free media in lists, galleries, and navigational or user interface elements are normally regarded as decorative."
"Film and television screen shots: For critical commentary and discussion of the cinema and television."
So an image must contribute significantly and provide critical commentary and discussion, which seems to be interpreted as the material shown in the image should be accompanied by comment or analysis in the surrounding text.  What image would contribute most to the article and be justified in the text?  In addition to potential screenshot images, an option is the show logo, which is permitted for purposes of identification.  Logos have additional discussion at Wikipedia:Logos, and use here would seem to be a clear case where it is allowed.  --Minderbinder 15:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion of potential image use 

message: TTN is going around redirecting all episode pages to the episode list, this is to warn you as Lost will be redirected soon enough.  below is his argument used for other television articles
"I plan on redirecting these per WP:EPISODE soon. Information from multiple secondary sources must be present for a single episode to need an article. This includes reception and development. Single plot summaries and trivia don't make a substantial article. I suggest Wikia and tv.com as alternate venues for this information. TTN "
68.72.141.190 02:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Single episodes