Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Israel News Agency (2nd nomination)

message: See: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israel News Agency (3rd nomination). And why is this discussion duplicated on the talk page?! --woggly 14:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  
The result of the debate was that it is broken beyond repair.  While it's clear that the refactoring was done in good faith, it is directly contra-indicated by Wikipedia:Guide to deletion for things to be sorted into categories.  Further, I've never even seen an instance where someone so misunderstood the purpose of these discussions as to number the arguments.  These are deletion discussions, we are not voting here.  In many cases, the numbers are meaningless, and may in fact distort the process.  For example, here several accounts whose status is fairly dubious have made recomendations.  A late comer, following the advice on the main AfD page to not take part when consensus appears to have formed could be misled by the raw "count" and choose to remain silent.  For this reason this debate is closed, without prejudice to being re-opened at any time. - brenneman http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Aaron+Brenneman{L}  03:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: *I know User:BillC from other sites. He is no ones sock.Geni 18:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: *Comment: a scanned press card is not proof of accreditation. I have several press cards of my own, they are not that difficult to come by, and the image was altered (passport and ID numbers are not visible), who knows how else it may have been tampered with.--woggly 14:11, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Comment: 1. Not sure how objective Woggly can be in this discussion given her and Israelbeach's RfC on one another. 2. A scanned press card or copy thereof is proof of accreditation, as I am also a working journalist in Israel who carries a GPO press card. 3. Not reasonable to request that anyone publishes their passport and or ID numbers on the Internet. Card looks good to me. If in doubt, speak with Danny Seaman, director of the Government Press Office in Jerusalem. 4. Do not ask of others what you would not do yourself. Leyden aka Israelbeach has been honest and transparent in his identity. Potterseesall 20:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I don't expect anyone to put their passport or ID numbers online, and I wasn't asking for that. I was just pointing out that scanning the card is pointless, and proves nothing. Good proof of accreditation would be a link to a government list of accredited news sources (or indeed, any source that is not simply repeating information from the INA). As for my objectivity, please stop hinting that I may possibly be unreliable. If I have written anything that is not true, come out and say so directly so that I can address your objections point by point. --woggly 21:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Slashdot is a blog and it qualifies for Google News... bogdan 09:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: if you want, I can find you more blogs on google news, like hammeroftruth.com/ www.dcist.com/ etc bogdan 09:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not a he but a she, I am too an administrator, and I have excellent reason for adding the users I have added to the list of suspected sockpuppets. --woggly 18:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  Comment: User's second edit. bogdan 11:50, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: *Comment: Thank you for taking the time and effort to post the above links. You have just illustrated beyond any doubt that the Israel News Agency is a news agency with major impact. As all news agencies i.e. - AP, Reuters, AFP, the INA collects and then disseminates information - both original and copied. That's the purpose of news agencies. AP and Reuters carry advanced copies of speeches and events provided to them by the public affairs' offices of corporate and political world leaders every day. As the Israel Government Press Office does not have its own Web site (PM site is not the same - ask Danny Seaman, director of the GPO in Jerusalem) the INA also serves as a clearinghouse for news from Israel's various ministries. And does so without profit! From I have seen, the INA has published several hundred news stories over the last 11 years. Including several exclusives such as [Al-Qaeda : The 39 Principles of Holy War www.israelnewsagency.com/Al-Qaeda.html]. The Israel News Agency has proved "notable" to millions of readers worldwide, to me, the Israeli government and to ... Google News. Karnei 14:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Comment - What it does prove, is that yet again, Google news has it wrong. They even listed QuakeAID's PR machine, OfficialWire as a news source. Google News gets it wrong all the time, I have even seen forum posts on Google News. The Israel News Agency is one man and a failed SEO mission. - Hahnchen 16:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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*Delete Self-regarding nonsense (the article, the subject of the article and any pretence it has to be included in the Wiki)--Kick the cat 13:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Up for deletion again 

message: I have re-nominated this article as per the decision at its deletion review. Please do not count my nomination as a voice for or against the article's deletion. I am currently neutral on this issue. To understand the article's history, please refer to the discussions at its first AfD nomination, and its deletion review. Ashenai 21:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I know User:BillC from other sites. He is no ones sock.Geni 18:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: *Comment: a scanned press card is not proof of accreditation. I have several press cards of my own, they are not that difficult to come by, and the image was altered (passport and ID numbers are not visible), who knows how else it may have been tampered with.--woggly 14:11, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Comment: 1. Not sure how objective Woggly can be in this discussion given her and Israelbeach's RfC on one another. 2. A scanned press card or copy thereof is proof of accreditation, as I am also a working journalist in Israel who carries a GPO press card. 3. Not reasonable to request that anyone publishes their passport and or ID numbers on the Internet. Card looks good to me. If in doubt, speak with Danny Seaman, director of the Government Press Office in Jerusalem. 4. Do not ask of others what you would not do yourself. Leyden aka Israelbeach has been honest and transparent in his identity. Potterseesall 20:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I don't expect anyone to put their passport or ID numbers online, and I wasn't asking for that. I was just pointing out that scanning the card is pointless, and proves nothing. Good proof of accreditation would be a link to a government list of accredited news sources (or indeed, any source that is not simply repeating information from the INA). As for my objectivity, please stop hinting that I may possibly be unreliable. If I have written anything that is not true, come out and say so directly so that I can address your objections point by point. --woggly 21:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Slashdot is a blog and it qualifies for Google News... bogdan 09:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: if you want, I can find you more blogs on google news, like hammeroftruth.com/ www.dcist.com/ etc bogdan 09:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not a he but a she, I am too an administrator, and I have excellent reason for adding the users I have added to the list of suspected sockpuppets. --woggly 18:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  Comment: User's second edit. bogdan 11:50, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: *Comment: Thank you for taking the time and effort to post the above links. You have just illustrated beyond any doubt that the Israel News Agency is a news agency with major impact. As all news agencies i.e. - AP, Reuters, AFP, the INA collects and then disseminates information - both original and copied. That's the purpose of news agencies. AP and Reuters carry advanced copies of speeches and events provided to them by the public affairs' offices of corporate and political world leaders every day. As the Israel Government Press Office does not have its own Web site (PM site is not the same - ask Danny Seaman, director of the GPO in Jerusalem) the INA also serves as a clearinghouse for news from Israel's various ministries. And does so without profit! From I have seen, the INA has published several hundred news stories over the last 11 years. Including several exclusives such as [Al-Qaeda : The 39 Principles of Holy War www.israelnewsagency.com/Al-Qaeda.html]. The Israel News Agency has proved "notable" to millions of readers worldwide, to me, the Israeli government and to ... Google News. Karnei 14:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Comment - What it does prove, is that yet again, Google news has it wrong. They even listed QuakeAID's PR machine, OfficialWire as a news source. Google News gets it wrong all the time, I have even seen forum posts on Google News. The Israel News Agency is one man and a failed SEO mission. - Hahnchen 16:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.</div>
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*Delete Self-regarding nonsense (the article, the subject of the article and any pretence it has to be included in the Wiki)--Kick the cat 13:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Israel News Agency]]