Talk:Camp Jackson affair

message: Needs to be moved. This episode is always called the "Camp Jackson Affair" in the Civil War and Missouri literature.  Google books for example hass no references to "St Louis Massacre" in any scholarly book or article.  There merely is one ref to "St Louis massacre" in a 1861 New Orleans newspaper headline. See James W. Covington, "The Camp Jackson Affair, 1861," Missouri Historical Review SS (December, 1960) Also: Melting Pot Soldiers: The Union's Ethnic Regiments - Page 41 by Professor William L Burton (1998);  Civil War Eyewitnesses: An Annotated Bibliography of Books and Articles, 1986-1996by Garold L. Cole -2000, Page 162; Missouri in 1861: the Civil War letters of Franc B. Wilkie, newspaper correspondent by Michael E Banasik - (2001)  - Page 136. Rjensen 03:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  why move to Camp Jackson Affair 

message: Need to add background of Confederate artillery shipment to Camp Jackson, O.R. reports of Jackson-Davis correspondence. 
The complicated timeline of Lyon's interaction with the arsenal should also be included.  Red Harvest (talk) 03:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artillery shipped from CSA 

message: While I was/am a supporter of naming this page "Camp Jackson Affair" (way back in 2006) I would also like to see some description of *contemporary* (not post-war) perception of the incident from regional (Missouri) southern sources.  This might provide the basis for some "also known as" names.  While it has come into vogue in recent decades to term this the "St. Louis Massacre" I notice that Missouri secessionists Snead and Reynolds did not do so in contemporary/post war books.  Nor did Mudd when relating Porter's story.  This lack of contemporary support prevents me from listing it as a "massacre" even in perception at the time.  The lack of such outrage is surprising to me, having familiarized myself with figures of the time and their penchant for hyperbole...especially when they might get away with it.  
A more modern work (Hinze, Battle of Carthage--not a Southern leaning rendition) notes this as the "St. Louis Riot" as an alternative name but only refers to the "anti-Lyon" Missouri Republican as a note--it isn't clear if this is a quoted name from the source.
I'll clarify here as well:  what would not be justified is to provide the alternate "St. Louis Massacre" if it was not a *common* secessionist name at the time.  Postwar and particularly sources from the past 50 years won't cut it for justifying such a name.   That eliminates a lot of web pages (esp. SCV types.) Red Harvest (talk) 12:15, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples of other contemporary names? 

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