Talk:Shot put

message: There was a note after "In the English language it is common to use the term "shot put" to refer to both the shot itself and to the throwing motion." that said that both uses were ungrammatical, but didn't explain why.  For the noun, "shot put" comes up in dictionary.com with that meaning, and I'm not sure why the verb use is ungrammatical.  There wasn't any explanation other that just that statement, so I pulled the line.  24.59.112.218 00:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As an experienced thrower myself, I'd say that the dictionary you referenced is either incorrect or has modified the meaning to match the use of the words.  Technically the "shot" references the weight, and the "put" is the verb, meaning what is done to the shot to get the name of the event to be the "shot put".  It is very similar to "discus throw".--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I've just removed that sentence as Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Wiktionary is the place for discussion of (mis)usage of words. Qwfp (talk) 19:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ungrammatical uses 

message: Rules
*The athlete must rest the shot close to the neck and keep it tight to the neck while throwing. 
*At the end of the throw, the thrower must push the throwing arm straight from the neck, pushing the ball off the fingertips. (If the thrower does not push the ball out and throws it like a baseball, the thrower may incur a shoulder or neck injury.) ''
Are these really rules?
Or are they just technical points which are accepted as a given?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thatlot!! (talk • contribs) 20:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm quite sure the first rule is a rule.  A number of places on the web corroborate it; it is the rule that make this event a "put" and not a "throw".  I can't find the second rule anywhere though, but I can't seem to quickly find anything that looks like a definitive rulebook for shot put.  This article definitely needs some citations.  I'll tag it to that effect. Cheers, Doctormatt 23:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, those are rules.  Failure to complete the put in the manenr described can be ruled as a foul or a scratch and the put will not be measured.  Don't have a reference for it, other than my own experience.  I read it in the rules once, but don't have a rule book handy.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rules 

message: Since 'Shot Putt' is the correct term and 'Shot Put' is a spelling mistake?Vault-emort (talk) 18:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't care about the disambig... likely for spelling.  But a "putt" is what you do to a golf ball on the green.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Checking the OED, it would appear that "shot putt" was probably always an error, albeit perhaps a common or whimsical one at Oxbridge in the 1940s-50s. So I stand corrected (by myself...again). Spinality (talk) 04:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Why does 'shot putt' disambiguate to this page?

message: "(If the thrower does not push the ball out and throws it like a baseball, the thrower may cause a shoulder or neck injury.)" Uh why the hell does that need a citation? That's like saying "if you stub your toe, it may hurt" needs a citation, or "if you're killed, you're dead" needs a citation. If you actually do shot put events it's just common knowledge.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.117.58.167 (talk) 15:10, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs A Citation!? 

message: How do the judges who run to measure the length of the throw avoid getting hit by the shot put? Badagnani (talk) 05:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They probably just look at the ball as it's coming. -Oreo Priest talk 14:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judges 

message: What is the origin and history of this? Badagnani (talk) 06:40, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This question still needs answering; it's a distinct flaw in the article. Also: where do the shots come from? DavidOaks (talk) 21:44, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:FonvilleSequence.jpg

message: I have placed cleanup banners on the article due to a lack of clarity. Without explaining what shot put is, the article immediately goes into explaining record holders.
mattcontinental (talk) 17:02, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The edit right before yours was vandalism and removed a lot of content. I restored the previous version.  --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 23:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Cleanup 

message: This sport is very interesting for me. but i think this is good for health if often practise. at the same this port is also very tired.need to supply food and energe on and on . then you can stronger.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.128.112.143 (talk) 03:59, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shot Put 

message: For an article on such an international topic, this is stunningly US centric, listing  USATF, NCAA, and US high school variations to rules (wouldn't it seem a little silly if I included our local high school rules?). At this stage, as part of a major copyedit I'm stripping out the US high school stuff, but am tending towards the opinion that we should only include the IAAF stuff. Perhaps if someone wants all the US variations, they need to make a Shot put in the USA article. --jjron (talk) 09:43, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Systemic bias 

message: Not only that the spin technique wasn't invented by Viktor Alexeyev, the Soviets themselves noted that the technique comes from Germany (a sequence or a "kinogram" of the shot put spin was published in 1966). The first results came from Dave Magard (USA) with the result of 19.6m, using the spin technique. This comes from a well known Soviet athletics manual, "УЧЕБНИК ТРЕНЕРА ПО ЛЕГКОИ АТЛЕТИКЕ" (1974) edited by L.S Homenkov. Alexeyev may have perfected it, but he is not the inventor and neither are Americans. 
Someone should add this into the article, with the reference to "УЧЕБНИК ТРЕНЕРА ПО ЛЕГКОИ АТЛЕТИКЕ, 1974, Fizkultura i Sport, Moscow" if I don't find the title of the book where the original picture sequence of the spin was first published.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.223.199.242 (talk) 23:37, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shot put spin technique, origin 

message: Shouldn't the weights be specified in lb and converted to kg? 16.01 lb is obviously bogus! It should be 16 lb exactly, and this value converted to kg, not the other way round.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.120.221.5 (talk) 12:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is only obviously bogus if you take an America-centric view of everything where, under extreme views of this nature, the earth revolves, not around the sun, as science suggests, but rather around some imaginary point in Ohio. The international standard for weights and measures is the metric system, the weight provided in the article is calculated to the third decimal place, and when converted from metric to U.S. "Imperial" measure this is an accurate conversion correctly represented to the second decimal place as 16.01 pounds. If the sport had been invented in US or UK then a standard weight originally measured as pounds or stones might be expected, but there is no information provided as yet telling us that the Americans or Brits invented this sport, or defined its modern state. I might support, however, the theory that the Scots or Romans were involved in the origin of the sport, and this would support your theory that a standard size for the object thrown might have been sixteen libra. Garth of the Forest (talk) 01:47, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shot put weight and size of the ball

message: Please note this sentence:
"Tomasz Majewski notes that although most athletes use the spin,[6] he and some other top shot putters (who also don't use banned substances, like Randy Barnes who received a life ban) achieved success using this classic method (for example he become first to defend the Olympic title in 56 years)."
It seems to have an odd interjection that has nothing to do with the content of that section.
The following sentence:
"The spin method is also worse in bad weather conditions (e.g. wind, rain, cold)."
This could use some citation or more explanation.  Really, the whole article is light on citations/references.  I'm no expert on the shot put, so I'm in no position to do it myself, but I'd be curious to see if others agree.  Thank you.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.79.106.183 (talk) 11:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  bias/irrelevance? 

message: A number of new table centric article stubs created that are either A1 speedy or merge material if content has context relative to "Shot put."  This article seems to be more appropriate.
* Masters M35 shot put world record progression
* Masters M40 shot put world record progression
* Masters M45 shot put world record progression
* Masters M50 shot put world record progression
* Masters M55 shot put world record progression
* Masters M65 shot put world record progression
* Masters M75 shot put world record progression
* Masters M85 shot put world record progression
--DHeyward (talk) 05:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion on the now-archived page is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Athletics/Archive 6#Segmentation of Masters athletics. Given that discussion, and using Masters shot put seems reasonable, avoiding unnecessary word in Masters athletics shot put. Klbrain (talk) 18:54, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masters merge proposal 

message: I was thinking that it would be great to have top5/top10 (depending on data available) lists in each of different techniques (glide, slide) to compare techniques. I am aware that there are multiple variables that affect the final result but this would be interesting because there is no other athletics discipline that has that different techniques (for example in javelin, in the final step of the throw you can fall down or stay standing but is not all that different as a complete throwing technique) that are equal in usage and in results. 213.149.62.148 (talk) 16:38, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I see somebody added technique to men list but not to women list. Is it possible that all women results are achieved with glide because I found out that  Until 2009, a woman has never made an Olympic final (top 8) using spin, so consequentially there has never been an Olympic medalist for the women using the spin technique.  which would imply that. What is then the best women spin result? 213.149.61.247 (talk) 19:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top lists in glide and slide 

message: It appears that someone has added a meme to the main paragraph at the top. I couldn't find any evidence supporting the act of heaving the shot being referred to as "yeeting." I'm a casual reader, so I didn't feel comfortable removing the reference, but I thought it was important to let you know.
147.124.195.177 (talk) 17:41, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: looks like its been fixed as of now. EliteArcher88 (talk) 10:58, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixing a Small Act of Trolling 

message: Basically shot put is an track and field sports Princess Archer (talk) 11:51, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shot put