Talk:United States at the 2008 Summer Olympics

message: So what should we include on this page. I feel that is should be only that athletes and possibly the alternates. For the alternates most of them are probably fine. The exception might be the gymnastic alternates as I do not believe they are officially part of the olympic delegation. I am not sure if this is true of any other of the sports. Let me know what you guys think. Otherwise I will keep the page limited to just athletes and alts. (Happyax (talk) 03:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What should we include

message: The first paragraph says that the US is fielding teams in 27 sports. By my count, we've listed somewhere between 19 and 25 events, depending on how you count them. I hope we can get a complete list soon.--HughGRex (talk) 22:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Toward a complete list of events

message: Should team players be organized in alphabetical order like field hockey or by position like soccer?  We did it by position in 2004, but not in 2000. --Jh12 (talk) 20:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Team sports

message: I think it would be a worthwhile project to try to create articles for more of the American Olympians on this page who are currently red links. It would really increase the value of this page. I've created a handful myself already. It's not too hard, even if you don't have prior knowledge about an athlete. The official websites of the national team/committee in each sport usual have bio pages with good info. --JamesAM (talk) 22:13, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creating Articles on Olympians 

message: Things may have changed, but the official number released by the United States Olympic Committee on July 24, 2008 is 596 athletes: 310 men and 286 women. I would think the actual number of athletes would be lower, not higher, given the withdrawal of athletes like Gary Russell. Also note that it's highly unlikely the US would have more athletes than the host country China: 639 according to the Xinhua News Agency . I think some of the higher numbers thrown around may be including coaches? Anyway, feel free to bring new references and please enjoy the games!--Jh12 (talk) 05:10, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps discrepancies in number can be attributed to the difference between the number of athletes in an Olympic delegation and the total number of people in an Olympic delegation including officials, support staff and athletes?72.27.25.85 (talk) 16:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, my thoughts exactly. I was thinking especially of coaches or officials, since I would image the support staff would actually be even greater than about 50 people. Either way, 596 is the number of athletes submitted by the USOC to the Olympic Games, and it's been cross-referenced by CNN, AP, AFP, ESPN, and every news agency I've searched for. Again, the only thing important in Wikipedia is Verifiability, not truth. If there are multiple reliable sources that clearly indicate the number of athletes was changed from 596, I invite anyone to submit them. --Jh12 (talk) 16:35, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure one way or the other but does that count all the alternates who had to be used? I know the US Men's Gymnastics called up several emergency alternates. Were alternates part of the original count? Adam McCormick (talk) 17:35, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternates merely replace existing athletes, so the quota of Olympic slots remains the same. And in many cases (Davenport singles, Russell bantamweight, etc.), alternates cannot even take over because the original athlete dropped out too late. Those slots are simply forfeited. The NBC broadcast of the opening ceremony indicated a delegation of 647. I have found no source that says this is the number of athletes. There is, however, USOC, AFP, AP, BBC, CNNSI, EPSN, NBCOlympics featured blog, Xinhua --Jh12 (talk) 23:18, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding number of US athletes 

message: I'm a bit confused. I would think a 4x100 race should list 4 people but the Silver medal listings show 6 for the 4x100 women's 4x100 freestyle and the Swimming section shows 5. Which is right, if any? Manassehkatz (talk) 04:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Per Olympic guidelines, the entire swim team of six gets the medals, even though only 4 swimmers actually swim in the final (see ). If there's mistakes in the table, that must be me. I converted the entire lists to tables myself, so I might have made mistakes or left something out. Please help correct them if you can. Best,  --Jh12 (talk) 05:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is consistent now. Thank you. Manassehkatz (talk) 13:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women's 4x100 Freestyle 

message: where is the 4 x 100 m medley relay listed ? kernitou talk 05:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops, the original list of team members on the page didn't include them, so I didn't even know there was such an event. Please help update and correct the page if you can; it's a whole lot of stuff to keep track of. Best, --Jh12 (talk) 05:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  swimming : where is the... 

message: Per WP:ENGVAR (An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation uses the appropriate variety of English for that nation.), as this article is strongly connected to a nation with a particular form of English, words such as "saber" and "meter" should be spelled as such in visible links (and any other words that are spelled differently in other forms of English need to be spelled in the American style). Being that this article is enormous, I haven't looked through all of it (though I will shortly). Let's try to follow this is any further usage. Nosleep (talk) 04:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor spelling issues 

message: The daily overall is completely wrong, having an extra gold and missing 2 silver, which will also throw off the individual day counts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.156.172 (talk) 07:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you know the correct medal counts, please help correct them. --Jh12 (talk) 09:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I still question the long-term usefulness of the chart itself, but the totals are currently correct according to the official results tables for 8/9 8/10 8/11 8/12. Note that the official results for 8/12 are missing the Equestrian Eventing Individual results (clearly listed as 8/12 here: ), where the U.S. won a third silver for August 12. --Jh12 (talk) 23:14, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daily Overall Medals 

message: I just added a gold to the medal counts, and then almost the entire article was gone? Sorry. I am mystified why that happened. I didn't delete anything. Nosleep (talk) 05:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's all right, random stuff happens. I've restored the page and will check for any issues. Thanks for updating, --Jh12 (talk) 05:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have no idea why my edit blanked the page 

message: This may be a silly question, but why do the basketball templates have the "v-d-e" buttons when they are built into the page, not actual templates on their own?  Averyisland (talk) 17:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You should probably ask the creator of  Thanks, --Jh12 (talk) 21:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roster Templates 

message: Should the table use chronological or official order found on the Olympic pages (Gold, Silver, and Bronze)
*I support the official order because to me it seems easier to ensure that all medals are added correctly.  To me I won't care in what specific order the medals were won next year. --88wolfmaster (talk) 04:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Forget about it. I'll just restore it back to normal and leave you guys be.--88wolfmaster (talk) 04:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronological Order vs. Official Order 

message: I noticed that there has been some back on forth in editing on how Nation rankings are counted. It's probably best to go by how the IOC or other governing body of the Olympics tallies the medals (such as the American OC). If they do not keep an official tally, then the official Olympics website would be the next best option. An explanation can also included if there is any disparity. Tedmoseby (talk) 22:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medal Count rankings 

message: Let's not put every name from the women's soccer team (and eventually the basketball teams and probably the men's volleyball team) in the medal table after they win gold or silver, and instead just wikilink to the soccer or basketball or volleyball sections on this page. The table already scrolls a bit with the rowing eights rosters, let's not have it scroll any more with very large teams. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 06:51, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When adding the women's water polo team, I linked to its national team page United States women's national water polo team with  as the listing in the medalist table. The problem is, that kind of arbitrarily sorts the names into "women's", "men's", and in the case of baseball "national". I'm not really sure how else to do it. --Jh12 (talk) 04:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I followed that for women's soccer and men's volleyball when I updated for those sports. I think that's an okay way of doing it - the only thing is I'm not sure those pages have a breakdown of who played for the team when (and thus, the facility for a reader to find who won a medal this year in whatever team sport). But I suppose that's more a matter for those articles than this one. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 06:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Large teams winning medals 

message: The convention for the rank in track athletic events is to  record the position in the heat, this is different than for e.g. swimming or field events where the overall rank (vs all heats) is given. This is because qualifiers for the next round are decided differently in the two sports. In swimming qualifing competitors are decided only on a time basis, so if, e.g., heat 1 is is faster than heat 2 it is possible that all the competitors from heat 1 and none from heat 2 would get through to the next round. However in track athletics qualifiers for the next round are decided by the first X athletes in each heat getting through, i.e. at least X athletes from every heat will get into the next round. Therefore if you are adding results for a track athletics event to the page please be sure to record the position of the athlete in their heat only. Cheers Basement12 (T.C) 01:34, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clarification. I think some of the confusion is that they have a qualified by right and qualified by result  It just seemed that with exceptions, the top overall performers in the field advanced.  --Jh12 (talk) 05:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heat Ranks 

message: We should add a criticisms section. Specifically, which athletes support the war in Iraq?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.245.186.56 (talk) 19:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that would be at all relevant to the team's olympic performance. Basement12 (T.C) 17:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms section 

message: should their be any footnote/asterisk added for medals that are being reviewed; my specific reference is to the women's gymnastics medals that may be affected by inquiry into china's athletes age that may lead to disqualification.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.90.158.115 (talk) 04:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There definitely should be if there is a great likelihood of medals being changed: like the doping cases in Shooting 10 m air pistol and Heptathlon. In this case, I think the investigations are still in the preliminary stage, so I'm not sure how useful such a note would be. If the International Gymnastics Federation says they have confirmed the use of underage athletes, then there will definitely be a note. --Jh12 (talk) 04:20, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, there's no impending likelihood that the Chinese babi---I mean, athletes, are going to be stripped of their medals. Therefore, no asterisks on this (or that) page. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 06:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medals currently suspect to change post being awarded 

message: Hello. I added a paragraph about the notable US Olympic athletes, specifically Phelps, Torres, Luikin and the team golds. I was initially going to add only Phelps, but felt that the other athletes should also be noted in the introduction.  Now the problem is who to mention and who to leave out.  I figured since Luikin's gold in the Individual all round is a big deal in America it should be mentioned, as was Dara Torre's age and 3 silvers. I mentioned the team golds, but did not mention the redeem team moniker for the Men's basketball team. Tedmoseby (talk) 19:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a sentence about Coughlin and also added references. Tedmoseby (talk) 20:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 06:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction

message: I think the "summer" in the title is superfluous, and unnecessary. Unlike past years, Olympics are held in 2-year intervals now. The summer and winter Olympics are not held in the same year anymore.  With that in mind, the need for the word "summer" in the article title is unnecessary. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 17:50, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics is probably the best forum for that discussion, as it would apply to hundreds of articles. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 18:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: Reference (1), from the USOC, states that the United States participated in 30 events, all but Men's field hockey and team handball. Reference (6), from Xinhua, states that the U.S. participated in 27 of 28 events. Obviously, both of these numbers cannot be correct. The article currently reflects the Xinhua count of 28 events, but also notes that neither the men's or women's handball teams qualified. As it stands right now, the article doesn't match either of the references, since it doesn't mention the missing men's field hockey team (as noted in the USOC reference), but it says that the US didn't field men's or women's handball teams, yet participated in 27 of 28 events. Which set of numbers is correct, and how should we resolve the discrepancy? Horologium (talk) 00:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article currently reflects the IOC method of organizing events by "sports" (see the 28 listed at 2008_Summer_Olympics#Sports) and the Official Olympic Programme. Note for example that all Diving, Swimming, and Water Polo events are counted as one sport: Aquatics. The article is correct: the U.S. participated in 27 out of 28 sports. Although the men's field hockey team did not qualify, the women's field hockey team did. Handball is the only sport the U.S. did not participate in. If additional clarification is needed, we could change the sentence to read "sent 596 athletes to Beijing (310 men and 286 women), and competed in 27 out of 28 Olympic sports" or something similar, but the numbers according to the IOC should take precedent over anything from the USOC or the Beijing Olympic Committee. --Jh12 (talk) 01:11, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, I think I might have been the one to add the references for that sentence. I believe I put them there primarily to reference the number of U.S. athletes: 596 athletes (310 men and 286 women). If it needs to be re-worded or another reference added, feel free to make suggestions or modify it. Best, --Jh12 (talk) 01:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting references 

message: The total gold medal count is listed as 36 gold medals but for some reason I've counted 37 gold medals:
* Swimming: 12
* Track & field: 8
* Gymnastics: 2
* Fencing: 1
* Shooting: 2
* Cycling: 1
* Volleyball: 3
* Equestrian: 1
* Rowing: 1
* Wrestling: 1
* Basketball: 2
* Sailing: 1
* Tennis: 1
* Soccer: 1
+ ________________
= 37 not 36.
There's an error somewhere in that list.
Tawanasharmeka (talk) 08:33, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  36 or 37 gold medals? 

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