Talk:Sonni Ali

message: Sunni Ali Ber was a Muslim by default thinking, You cannot measure by science the Islamicness of a person just because they have "non-Islamic" beliefs. This is highly subjective and is an area for "faith discussions" not a Wikipedia bio. Muslims all over the world blend their native beliefs with Islam, there is no "pure Islam" How do you measure faith? see definition of a Muslim--Halaqah 13:23, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just added some references. It may be controversial, but it's valid info. Andre (talk) 16:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: controversial info without references

message: Sunni Ali Ber was from Africa not the Middle East. do not put middle eastern slave owning tags on his page. Becare when you do reverts because you undo valid work.--Halaqah 18:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: redundant cats

message: Opinions vary on whether Sonni Ali can correctly be described as a Muslim. He ruled over both urban Muslims and rural non-Muslims at a time when the traditional co-existence of different beliefs was being challenged. His adherence to African animism while also professing Islam leads some writers to describe him as outwardly or nominally Muslim.
This is in conflict with the following site which has been listed above:
Sunni Ali Ber built a remarkable army and with this ferocious force, the warrior king won battle after battle. He routed marauding nomads, seized trade routes, took villages, and expanded his domain. He captured Timbuktu, bringing into the Songhay empire a major center of commerce, culture, and Moslem scholarship. ]
there is no substancial accurate source to support the statments which i have removed.Please see wikipedia standards for adding disputed items. You must provide valid clearly established sources, what you are doing is weasling "Opinions vary on whether Sonni Ali can correctly be described as a Muslim" show these opinions from academics.Or leave the discussion alone. --Halaqah 18:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, websites are indeed valid references. The ones I used might not be, but websites can be. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Second of all, I created this article -- I'm not about to "leave the discussion alone." The opinions DO vary, it's not weaseling. Andre (talk) 22:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: And also, those two statements are not in conflict. Sonni Ali did build an army and did make the Songhay empire into a center of Muslim scholarship -- this is not in dispute. Opinions vary among academics, however, whether Ali himself was truly a Muslim, or just a nominal (in name only) Muslim, since he continued to practice African animism that was in direct conflict with Islam. Andre (talk) 22:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This isn't about pride or theology. It's about a simple fact: many writers describe him as "nominally Muslim." If you need a book I'll get a book, but websites are valid sources too. Andre (talk) 19:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discuss before adding back to article

message: A discussion thread about the reliability and notability of this author and his pages is taking place at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Owen 'Alik Shahadah, please comment there so we can get a final consensus. Rupert Loup (talk) 12:06, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
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message: Sonni Ali could actually be true and not contradict each other  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.216.68.11 (talk) 18:11, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Y sonni was the king of songhai Empire 41.114.11.97 (talk) 21:53, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
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message: Songhai established and ruled under Sonni ali 41.114.37.250 (talk) 21:15, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songhai established and ruled under Sonni ali 

message: Five achievements of sunni ali 102.88.82.137 (talk) 18:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  History