Talk:John Titor

message: His military insignia looks Bajoran (Star Trek)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.171.177.74 (talk) 09:21, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: AGREED BUT ART BELLS COAST TO COAST RADIO TALK SHOW WAS WAY BEFORE DEEP SPACE NINE I WOULDNT BE SUPRISED IF THE CREAATORS OF DS9 DID IT AS A HOMAGE TO JOHNS STORY 129.9.75.203 (talk) 15:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  military insignia 

message: Due to the fundamental basis on which this situation is built,  the Everett-Wheeler "many worlds" interpretation,   it would stand to reason that an infinite number of John Titors could be sent to an infinite number of pasts and of course an infinite number of worlds containing no John Titors,  as well as an infinite number of worlds containing a John Litor... and so forth,  may exist.      Given this conclusion,  problems of consistency could be explained within the logical confines of the story by the possibility that more than one John Titor have concurrently visited this instance of the world.
68.98.122.107 (talk) 23:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, but we're talking about how to improve the article. This isn't a forum on the topic itself.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 05:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Under "problems with the story" ... clarification 

message: Everyone, I believe this article needs some fresh information, there are a few documentaries on the Identity of who was posting as John Titor and I believe they might be valuable to add,  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nerd4U (talk • contribs) 19:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooh, really? What are they? — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 19:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The only documentary I could find (as opposed to fan videos on Youtube and what not) is "TimeTravel_0" by Skucci Films, now available on DVD and apparently it won some prizes at various festivals. Not sure what it would add to the discussion. 158.169.131.14 (talk) 14:01, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs updating 

message: I think a lot of the criticism of this article and the article itself are both missing the point. At this point the single most important aspect of the John Titor story is not the content of what Titor said or its accuracy, it's the impact it had on culture. Each month, John Titor related content increases. More people become more interested in it - both those who believe and those who don't including teams of people leveraging social networking tools to create a public record of their attempts at identifying who posted as Titor and why. I lack the time and interest to approach adding or referencing the monumental data on the cultural impact of Titor (the generic entertainment value of the Titor story to the influence this story has had on later internet events of this nature) but, I'd really like to encourage those of you who do actively participate in updating this article to consider including this much more valid and interesting aspect of the topic. 24.188.213.121 (talk) 07:50, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thankfully Wikipedia articles are on notability not relevence.  Just wish there were more reliable sources.--174.99.238.22 (talk) 01:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing the Point 

message: The supercomputer units are of the Trilogy model. Also,
*An EM Well-compatible generator.
*Phenom pressure manipulator.
It's conjecture that Titor died within the 2001 Witness Event, with the unidentified male in the adjacent tower.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.240.183 (talk) 22:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing detail 

message: No mention of the 1997 chatroom. Or the Warner Bros interest in making a film. Loads of missing facts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.53.32.194 (talk) 21:57, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Facts 

message: John Titor made it very clear that there is no way of telling if the future events that occurred in _his_ timeline will occur in _our_ timeline. Titor made it clear that he was not making predictions, but merely stating what occurred in _his_ timeline.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.149.55 (talk) 15:28, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In other words, he said very clearly that his meddling with our timeline by his posts were likely to change our timeline. That's why you can't speak of any "predictive failures", only of ultimate infalsifiability of his claims, which can be the only criticism directed against them. Also, when he mentioned visiting his parents he stated that John Titor was not his real name, which is why it's not surprising that no individual of that name can be found. --79.193.52.194 (talk) 16:08, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So, he claims that his claims are meaningless.  Thanks.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, but please remember that this talk page shouldn't be about the subject, but should be about the article. And the current state of the 'predictive failures' section is a self-contradictory and should be improved: it starts by detailing why Titor's many worlds story can't be falsified simply by observing a different timeline, but ends with: "....the 2010 Winter Olympics refute this claim."  - Unlike Titor, this article doesn't have the luxury of being self-contradictory, and the predictive failure section should be made self-consistent (and consistent with Titor's lore). This is doubly essential because the entire section cites no reliable secondary sources (it resorts to citing a 'blog post' example) and should probably be ruled out of WP:SYN bounds, even if were a logically consistent argument.  --Wragge (talk) 04:53, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you mean  However, per WP:FRINGE, we shouldn't discuss "Titor"'s claims as if they could be confirmed or refuted, if we cannot find reliable sources which say they could be confirmed.  Perhaps, if it were rewritten to indicate that, even if it were real, it would be fictional....  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 14:09, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invalid wiki debunking 

message: http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/26132/?ref=rss
Astronomers Find First Evidence of Other Universes
Above is not the reference, below are the science papers from arXiv.org that are:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1012.1995
First Observational Tests of Eternal Inflation
Stephen M. Feeney (UCL), Matthew C. Johnson (Perimeter Institute, Daniel J. Mortlock (Imperial College London), Hiranya V. Peiris (UCL)
last revised 12, Jul 2011 (this version, v3)
pages 1-5
http://arxiv.org/abs/1011.3706
Concentric circles in WMAP data may provide evidence of violent pre-Big-Bang activity
V.G. Gurzadyan, R. Penrose
Submitted on 16 Nov 2010
pages 1-8
Thank you for your time.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JJBeat (talk • contribs) 23:09, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: None of this mentions John Titor, which means it can't be used on Wikipedia as it would violate our policy on original research. --Daniel 02:42, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone edit this article to add references perhaps if adequate. 

message: Even Wikipedia redirects from his real name, John Rick Haber. Yeah, I know about biographies of living persons; that policy doesn't forbid naming hoaxers, to my knowledge. Thedoorhinge (talk) 11:22, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you a reliable source? (Also, that redirect doesn't exist.) Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 11:33, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind. It exists, but it's showing as a red link. Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 11:34, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does mention John Rick Haber, but doesn't endorse the conclusion that Haber is Titor's real identity. — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 14:19, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why not mention his name? 

message: What ever came of this video, of some dude claiming he is John Titor, is calling Coast to Coast, and has documents and evidence proving beyond any doubt that he is who he says he is and wants to apologize for the hoax?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvkmPiK6Pmw
Seems legit. But that was back in 2011. I'm not in the US, so I have no idea if he ever did contact the media about it. Can someone please follow up on this? The identity of John Titor is an extremely relevant element missing from this article; in fact I would safely say his identity is the most important piece of information, and it is missing from this article. BaSH PR0MPT (talk) 16:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Identity. 

message: An anon, recently, has been adding a trademark.  We cannot use it without a third-party secondary source commenting on it, although it might very well be relevant.  My apologies if this is mentioned in the archives.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 13:40, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trademark 

message: I'm kind of suprised that this isn't in the article yet, but how come there isn't any mention that John Titor was avant-garde work by Joseph Matheny? See, a podcast talking about it with him, his LinkedIn profile, and his website. --Darkstar949 (talk) 17:30, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It'd need a reliable secondary source to show that Matheny's claims were of some significance, before it could go into the article. (Interviews are considered primary sources.) --McGeddon (talk) 17:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well this is a niche topic and most of the existing sources aren't want I would consider to be reliable; however, I've reached out to him to see if there are any secondary sources that he knows of out in the wild already. Otherwise we kind of need a folklorist to pick the story up to do the verification and publication. Still, some Google searching shows that he's been saying this since before 2009, he lists the project as part of his professional CV, and he explains why "John Titor: A Time Traveler's Tale" is out of print as in the interview so this is an avenue that should be fully explored. --Darkstar949 (talk) 18:05, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avant-Grade Work by Joseph Matheny 

message: In the Foundation series you will find an analysis outlining eight books written byIssac Asmiov. 
With John Titor, we have a "internet story" told on chat boards by a person, or persons and then discussed on specialty venues including Coast to Coast AM and other venues.  We don't know if Titor is a person or many people.
John Titor is the name used on several bulletin boards, by a person or persons, during 2000 and 2001 claiming to be a time traveler from 2036
In these posts, the fictional, Titor made numerous predictions about events in the near future, a number of them vague and some quite specific.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.168.158 (talk) 16:25, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: What? 2.31.162.56 (talk) 13:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Foundation Series" vs "John Titor 

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message: Probably an elaborate hoax? Of course it was. I'm going to edit out that ridiculous probably. aldiboronti (talk) 09:15, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It hasn't been proven as one, but the word is certainly redundant in the sentence "This led to the general conclusion that his story was probably an elaborate hoax.", yes. Thanks. --McGeddon (talk) 09:21, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probably? 

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message: In the lead, it says the brother's name (the computer scientist) is John Haber.  In the article body, it says the brother's name is Morey Haber.  Looking at the source, it says his name is "John Rick Haber".  Doing a search for Morey Haber, I do see references to him being John Titor.  Can someone clarify if Morey Haber is John Haber?  If it's a nickname, then please provide some indication. Morphh  (talk) 02:54, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Brother's name

message: See Talk:IBM 5100#List of trivia Andy Dingley (talk) 09:17, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability and relevance to the [[IBM 5100]] 

message: Under the Predictions section, it states the following:
"(...) he joined the Fighting Diamondbacks, a shotgun infantry unit in Florida (...)"
What does this mean, exactly? Is it a "shotgun" infantry unit in the same sense as a shotgun wedding or an infantry unit that specializes in shotguns. If it is the former, a term close to something like "impromptu" would probably be a better choice of words.
ShakurasEnder (talk) 14:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Shotgun Infantry Unit" 

message: I added a reference to the 2018 ALTERNATE BEGINNING novel. It was written by J.D. Smith and B.C. Synder
I don't know how to add the Amazon product link where I found the novel as a reference or if that should be added
https://www.amazon.com/ALTERNATE-BEGINNING-J-D-SMITH-ebook/dp/B07HDHF4XF/ref=sr_1_2?crid=QNDAUU0B2QTE&dchild=1&keywords=alternate+beginning&qid=1593812538&sprefix=alternate+be%2Caps%2C203&sr=8-2  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:EC50:2A80:65FA:655:C365:4BDB (talk) 21:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that link. I'd just reverted the edit because I couldn't find any evidence of the book. That said, there's no value in mentioning a self-published ebook in this article. Schazjmd (talk) 21:58, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're wondering in the future don't ad an amazon product link as a reference. Point to the ISBN in some way 2601:401:180:E1E0:20CE:C25E:6F76:972 (talk) 07:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added ALTERNATE BEGINNING novel 

message: The article currently notes the the supposed "Time Machine" was originally located "in the back of a 1966 Chevrolet Corvette convertible."
This is factually incorrect.
Though the reference link noted with this information may have at one time stated that the vehicle in question was a 1966 Chevrolet Corvette, the reference would be incorrect.  Also the reference link currently notes "installed in a 1967 Corvette no less."
The original online posts specify the car as a "1967 Chevrolet".
The photographs of the "Time Machine" commonly associated with the posts depict the interior of a second-generation Chevrolet Corvette convertible (which was produced from 1963 to 1967.)
I suggest changing the article to reflect this information.
How much or how little detail should be included, I leave up to those with more knowledge of Wikipedia preferences and conventions.
This is nitpicking over a minor point, but several online references discussing the John Titor story list incorrect information about the vehicle described in the original posts, and I believe the Wikipedia article should seek to be as accurate as possible. 64.222.130.62 (talk) 19:14, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Details of Automobile Reportedly Involved