Talk:Persian mythology

message: T"he original Avesta dates back to 1400 - 1200 BCE, and was kept in Istakhr until Alexander of Macedon destroyed it." I think I know what city is being referred to under this mysterious name! Wetman 07:57, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they mean Edinburgh. 62.253.128.12 17:27, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Silly people :) I don't know what tomfoolery is going on, but you must know we're talking about the Persian equivalent of the Library of Alexandria near Persepolis here, where the Golden Avesta was said to be housed. My problem with that statement is the date. The Avesta survived through oral transmission and was written down much later (as with so many other traditions), and in truth, only Zarathushtra's Gathas can be said to be that old. Oh yeah, I'm putting this on my list of articles which need my attention. It could definately be expanded. Khiradtalk 02:39, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: It has been suggested to merge Persian mythology page with Iranian folklore.That's wrong... the contemporary Iranian folklore or games or folklore medical beliefs are sure different with mythology!--Alborz Fallah (talk) 14:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure how both article topics wouldn't be better served by a merge. After all, folklore arises out of the mixing of mythology and real events (or the resulting tall tales that arise from oral storytelling tradition). Maybe it's own section, as the folklore arises from both religious observances as well as pre-Islamic mythology. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 23:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with my dear, honorable, and fair friend, Arcayne. The two articles ought to be merged. The folklore article has very little material that is actually sourced as folklore.--Agha Nader (talk) 05:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is completely synthesis OR, and some pure OR. I quote the article Churchill used for any mischievous person This is ridiculous.The editors who add unsourced material like that do not belong at Wikipedia. They blatantly ignore WP:V and WP:OR. I suspect that not a single sentence in that article has a source that supports the claim the sentence makes (i.e. a source that says it is folklore).--Agha Nader (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are making it personal. About the "Churchill", that's a usage in new Persian folk language. I don't think your expression of naming the other wikipedians editions "ridiculous" ,is under the wikipedia's way of editing.Please be polite! Thankyou --Alborz Fallah (talk) 17:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And to add ; if you google the two words of "چرچیل"(Churchill),  and "مکار"(mischievous); the outcome would be informative! google search.But expectance to show an academic article for a recent usage of a new word for a contemporary person,seems to be impossible.--Alborz Fallah (talk) 17:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why in the world show it be included in Wikipedia?! Note: I am not the least bit interested in your original research with search engines. By the way, if someone makes a ridiculous edit, I am going to call it ridiculous. That is very different than calling an editor ridiculous. The former comments on content, the latter comments on the editor and is a PA. --Agha Nader (talk) 18:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway, what are you interested in or are not, does not determines the rightfulness of the article.Labeling "original research" is in contrast with the sources that I mentioned e.g:"(چرچیل) به عنوان دغل باز و مهره ی مکار در زبانزدهای ما حضور یافته است در بختیاری به آدم های فریبکار و سیاست باز "چرچیل" می گویند"[www.odivi.persianblog.ir]Or " در تمام انگلیسی ها را به مثابه آدم هایی موذی و مکار وحیله گر می شناسند که روباه در برابر آنها لنگ انداخته است ! با این اوصاف چرچیل را موذی ترین آدم انگلیسی می شناسند! ( حالا قیاس فرمائید چرچیل چگونه موجودی بوده است " then what do you think ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alborz Fallah (talk • contribs) 19:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And about calling persons or edits names , I think both are wrong . Please Assume good faith and keep in mind nothing scares potentially valuable contributors away faster than hostility ! --Alborz Fallah (talk) 19:11, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you a "newcomer"? Please elaborate on how I failed to assume good faith. As for your statement "calling persons or edits names , I think both are wrong," am I supposed to ignore bad edits? --Agha Nader (talk) 19:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No you don't. But using such words as "ridiculous" or sentences like "The editors who add outsourced material like that do not belong at Wikipedia"; is personal attack and is against the good faith. Is the decision making about someone's "belonging to Wikipedia" or not is your responsibility?--Alborz Fallah (talk) 21:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not misquote me. I said "The editors who add unsourced [not outsourced] material like that do not belong at Wikipedia." I stand by that statement. Why should Wikipedia allow (experienced) users to blatanly violate Wikipedia policies? Moreover, am I supposed to use euphemisms for 'ridiculous edits?' If an edit is ridiculous, I am going to call it ridiculous. I think the best way to resolve this is for the editors that violate WP:V and WP:OR, to stop doing so. Attacking me for criticizing awful edits will not help.--Agha Nader (talk) 02:19, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are not allowed to express your opinion about the editors. You can change their edition under certain rules. If you think you are able to use your way of name-calling the editors and/or expressing your personal idea about their permission of editing ("belonging to Wikipedia"),I will report that to the admin's notice board.--Alborz Fallah (talk) 10:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, I will do my best to provide the sources. Anyway; I think calling Iran a "culturally non-permissive environment" is not the definition of the real cultural situation of Iran.thankyou , --Alborz Fallah (talk) 08:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I must agree with Alborz Fallah: It is completely inappropriate for Arcayne to make sociological and political commentary (especially derisive commentary) on this talk page.--Agha Nader (talk) 15:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Could you perhaps point out what I said that fulfills the criteria of "derisive commentary"? I pointed out an opinion based on available evidence. Please point out the existence of a permissive environment in Iran. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 06:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not the least bit interested in arguing about politics with you on this talk page. I would like to remind you that this is the page is for discussing the Persian mythology article, not Ahmadinejad. I think you know why your comments were derisive and inappropriate; it is why you removed your inappropriate comment "That't [sic] a man [Ahmadinejad] screaming out to be laughed at." To return the main issue, the Iranian folklore would make a better section than an article.--Agha Nader (talk) 22:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, returning to the real problem (Iranian folklore)is better. I think sensitivity of Agha Nader stems in that he think I'm diminishing a religious ceremony to a vulgar and folklore show (correct me if I'm wrong!). Indeed I'm not saying the whole ceremony and it's core is "folklore"! But I think the performance and practical ways of showing the grief may have a color of people's folklore. As an example do Agha Nader knows still in some places in Iran, the local people call the Ashura "Souvashoon"? (Related to the mythological Siyâvash of Shahnameh) ...that shows the minds of people "See" the religious event under their background (read folklore)--Alborz Fallah (talk) 17:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would appreciate it if you did not make ill-considered insinuations about me being "sensitive." I wonder if your statements qualify as what you term "improper language." You claim that I think you are "diminishing a religious ceremony to a vulgar and folklore show ." However, I think you are diminishing the article to original research! --Agha Nader (talk) 03:40, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging with [[Iranian folklore]]?

message: Shahnama is an epic (حماسه), not a mythological narration. A mythology deals with the story of the creation, explaining different phenomena like catastrophes, day cycle, constellations, reasons for sins and good deeds, death and life and afterlife and evilness or purity of objects. These things are mostly found in pre-Islamic texts such as Bundahishn, Yasna, Denkart, ... so stop inserting parts of Shahnama in this article. This is just ridiculous. And there is no "Persian Mythology" because Persians did not have an independent mythology, but they followed the Iranian Mythology which was the same for the Medes and the other Iranian people.
There is no such thing as Persian mythology (اسطوره‌های پارسی). What you mean is Perhaps Iranian Mythology ( اسطوره‌های ایرانی ) ?
Exactly because:
1) They are not confined to the Persians. Many of the Ancient Iranian people living in the Iranian Plateau believed in it, like Medes, Sogdians or the eastern Iranian People of the Avestan era.
2) They are for the most part not compiled in the Persian language. The main sources of Iranian mythology today are written in Avestan. There are of course commentaries in the Pahlavi language but they are just that, "commentaries".
حضرت محمود (talk) 19:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In English language , they consider Persia and Iran as equal (at least in historical aspect). Inside Iran , there is a clear differentiation between these two names , but westerners do know much about the differences . Please look at the article Name of Iran.--Alborz Fallah (talk) 06:46, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Epic vs. Mythology

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