Template talk:Coor title dms/Archive 1

message: Note: currently the link is exactly the same as that used in de:Template:Koordinate Artikel. This should be changed to the link(s) used in our own Template:Coordinates. — Saxifrage ✎ 01:51, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind—it's the same link for both. — Saxifrage ✎ 03:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Done! It makes it look awful and terribly long with no parameters, but it looks good when it's used. — Saxifrage ✎ 06:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry to keep changing it, but the format of  is much nicer to use and read and also allows for an optional type: argument that can change the scale of the resulting map. — Saxifrage ✎ 07:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Koordinate Artikel 

message: I don't see how linking co-ordinates inline isn't sufficient. The heading area is increasingly occupied by other symbols, and this template simply conflicts with them. Has a proposal for its use actually been made somewhere?--cj | talk 08:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been made at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#Coordinates at the top of the article. The inspiration comes from the Dutch, Portuguese, and German Wikipedias (see de:New York City or de:Kaffee Alt Wien for example), where it has been adopted as the standard. As for conflicting with symbols, the placement should give those room. — Saxifrage ✎ 08:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I've added a banner that says the use of this template is disputed to the noincluded part of the template page. (I couldn't find any existing banner template for "experimental template" or anything more appropriate.) — Saxifrage ✎ 09:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing me to the discussion. I was aware of its use on the German-language Wikipedia at least.--cj | talk 01:52, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Point?

message: I've rolled up a version using  and  that allows you to specify whether the article containing the template also has the featured article star (allowing the coordinates to be positioned a little further from the right if necessary). Check out User:Locke Cole/Template:CoorHeader. Also check out User talk:Locke Cole/Template:CoorHeader (edit the talk page and comment/uncomment examples to see the effect of the new  variable). If this is acceptable, feel free to copy it in (or hack away at it). By the way, it seems the optimal spacing from the right edge also happens to be 1.5em (with no featured article star anyways). When the  variable is set to true, then the spacing from the right edge is set to 30px. —Locke Cole • t • c 07:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This looks very useful, thanks. While the template remains broken in non-Monobook skins, though, I'm not doing any active development on it. I'd like to see the necessary CSS added to Monobook.css so we can start using and improving the template in earnest. — Saxifrage ✎ 12:14, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured article star compatibility

message: Is this coordinate header meant to duplicate or replace the coordinates found in infoboxes, such as city articles like Hudson's Hope, British Columbia or Omaha, Nebraska?  --maclean25 05:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's meant to complement the in-line coordinates. Some articles warrant the coordinates in the text of the article or in an infobox, some don't, but all articles about locations can use coordinates. This template (as proposed—it's not policy or part of WP:MOS yet) gives another way to incorporate coordinates into an article independently of how coordinates are dealt with in the article's body. And it looks nifty. — Saxifrage ✎ 06:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate or replace

message: the changes made here by User:CesarB completely loose the purpose of this template, please change back to allowing absolute position. Qyd(talk)18:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed with refresh. Qyd(talk)18:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  
please revert to absolute position 


message: Is it possible to implement the geo-coor feature inside Wikipedia? I'm thinking of something like Special:Booksources right now, and I think having it inside Wikipedia would be more reliable. What's your thoughts on this? -- WB 21:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The external website is a test site, with the intention of bringing it into Wikipedia eventually. See the Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates project page. — Saxifrage ✎ 22:31, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out. Seems like it will be based on Google Earth? I would think World Wind is a better way to go since it's open-source, etc. -- WB 23:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There currently are many choices of map sources, and this will continue when the markup replaces the  templates, as far as I know. — Saxifrage ✎ 04:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External to internal 

message: (started new section, as the previous seems to have diverged to skins)
I've also found  (actually the older ) in Canadian articles such as Edmonton, Alberta.  
The problem with the experiment of just adding  was that whatever database was used gave different values.  I was finding as many as 4 significantly different locations on a page.  By using the Infoboxen, I'd hoped that edits in one place would then make a consistent display everywhere.
Instead, I'd be in favor of using  after changing all corresponding  to , and removing the coordinates from  entirely.  That would give a consistent value (in the US).
Likewise, I'd be in favor of removing all coordinates from  and adding  to the pages instead.  As you mention, this shouldn't be hard to do by Bot.  It has the added advantage of not disturbing the other pages while the conversion is ongoing.
:--William Allen Simpson 05:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: --William Allen Simpson 18:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

text: --William Allen Simpson 19:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  US cities redux 

message: Since  is in  which is protected from editing, it has meant all the articles that use that template have coordinates at the very top. Some of the articles that I did most of the editing on are now quite stylistically messed up (IMHO) because of that... I see that template has a disputed tag, but it seems this is the place to bring it up, so here I am. I don't favour having coordinates at the very top of articles, but if that is the clear consensus stylistically for all things that have geographic locatability (plant specimens, buildings, bridges, towns, parks etc) then I could go along. Can someone point me to where this topic was discussed and clear consensus was reached? Thanks! ++Lar: t/c 14:04, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: agree, don't force users to have this. Why don't have date+time at the top for all articles related to events? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: disagree. <U>Is it possible to have the temnplate back in the header ?</U> This feature was indeed the only reson I started inserting coordinates in articles. It's most aggrevating seeing the template moving from top back into the article body and back up again following some members' arguments. Meanwhile editors use the template and have their edited articles change every so often after random changes have been made. Some user made changes last night and apparently messed up something so in doubt, I will revert it to the 3 April version. Regards, Captain scarlet 11:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The topic has been discussed here It's actually working well on German Wiki for years, and I find it very smart. The only conflict I can remember was with one of the Wikipedia fund-raising ads. In consequene, the templates were temporarily changed to make them compatible. -- H005 07:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personnally think it looks very good at the top. especially with the miniwikiatlis.js java-script extention thingy. Bawolff 05:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not very keen on this template (class) behaviour of putting coords at the very top of articles 

message: FYI, I noticed a conflict with another template.  See Template talk:Geolinks-US-streetscale#Conflicting title links for my note there. — Eoghanacht talk 14:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting templates in title 

message: I really love this template, but it needs to be moved below the title, because they're overlapping. See, for example, World War II Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial. --☆ CieloEstrellado 10:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The template itself is overlapping. And it moved above the line without any edit to the template. I wonder, is the problem in the css class? Qyd 14:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it moved because the Wikimania 2006 message changed the layout of the page by increasing the space between the top of the page and the title's horizontal rule. It's an unfortunate limitation of the placement CSS that it can't respond to changes like that. It will go away once the WikiMedia Foundation removes that message... — Saxifrage ✎ 15:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

text: For some reason, the overlapping only occurs in the dms template.  and  are rendered just fine above the line. - Qyd(talk)23:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh! You meand the "Coordinates" part and the actual coordinates. Well that's just bizarre. The code looks fine, so I'm not sure what's causing that. Testing it out in the sandbox (diff), it shows up both in the template page and when the template is used. Um. I'm not sure what to do about that. — Saxifrage ✎ 01:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, it's because an element in the  template that this one depends on was changed from an inline-level to block-level, making its wrapping behaviour change. I've asked the editor who changed it (User:Zocky) that it be changed back or a more complicated fix be applied. — Saxifrage ✎ 01:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Overlaps

message: {Editprotected}
:fi:Malline:Coor title dms —Ppntori 21:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--Commander Keane 10:15, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: {editprotected} :fr:Modèle:Coordonnées. Cheers, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons 11:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interwiki addition 

message: Should this be substituted? --Storkk 14:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. If we want to change the format in the future that would be detrimental. Moreover, the eventual goal of the geocoordinates Wikiproject is to develop a built-in markup for handling coordinates: subst'ing this would make it harder to track down all the pages that contain coordinate information when this needs to be replaced with that markup. Besides, it's really messy inside and substing would only make the wikimarkup more incomprehensible. — Saxifrage ✎ 21:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: subst?

message: Has something changed today?  The template is now appearing above the line, almost overlapping, for logged-in users.  Has something happened to monobook to cause this change?  -  Crosbiesmith 08:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the Foundation removed the donation message that was above the line for months before. It's not really noticeable, but those messages move the article body up and down, including the line, and the coordinates are defined relative to the edge of the page. So really, the line moved, not the coordinates. I notice that as of this comment, it's moved again and is below the line once more. (The original intention was for it to be above the line, but obviously the Foundation isn't making sure the page layout is stable.) — Saxifrage ✎ 20:14, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  It's nice to know someone's keeping an eye on it.  -  Crosbiesmith 09:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Position change, October 14

message: Dear administrator, please add the following interwiki:
 es:Plantilla:Coor title dms
Thank you in advance, Julian Mendez 19:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.-gadfium 19:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you very much, Julian Mendez 22:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish interwiki 

message: Dear administrator, please add the following interwiki:
 ia:Patrono:Coor title dms
Thank you in advance, Julian Mendez 22:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.-gadfium 23:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interlingua interwiki 

message: Hi, I've moved the documentation from this Talk page to the Template:Coor title dms/doc subpage, as recommended in Wikipedia:Template doc page pattern. Please edit the template to:
Coordinates: 




Thanks. +mwtoews 18:38, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done —Mets501 (talk) 02:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved documentation

message: This is all messed up again, with or without the begging message.  See Tadley for example.  Can a knowledgeable person take a look?  Thanks -  Crosbiesmith 14:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Problems today

message: They overlap. Maybe add a line break at this template's beginning so it moves down one line? Urhixidur 00:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicts with "dismiss" button 

message: In the case of Tadley, I noticed that the lat/long is implemented twice and still does not redder well in that the two lines overlap.  The redundancy bothers me some, but what bothers me even more is that the data is implemented once in decimal and once in DMS. As a purist and an engineer, I am mature enough to not fuss over the minor discrepencies in the data introduced (which could amount to a mere feet or inches or even less on the globe of the Earth) but it seems to be poor data design, or at least uncoordinated implementation of templates. I realize that decimal vs. DMS might be a matter of taste, but we also want to pursue uniformity among the articles. So the two goal I request are:
*Single, unified implementation so that the data does not tend to be implemented twice in one article
*A stated, global preference of degrees or DMS, with flexibility
Again, I hope we can see that that I want to avoid duplication of work (by avoiding duplicate conventions that have to be maintained in parallel within a single article) and a "preferred" units so that a uniform product can be presented to the reader has they browse multiple articles. This is probably a long-term goal, but what is needed is more coordination and good-spirit teamwork among the people who maintain the template(s). Is there perhaps a transition plan that I am simply not yet aware of? -- 71.141.230.78 15:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mixing data 

message: Hi. I´m trying to add this template into Wookieepedia, but still unsucessfully. Can anyone with extensive knowladge on these codes help me out? The main thing missing is that the cordinations shoiuld jump up to the right hand corner, but don't. Here's the link to the starwars page Wookieepedia:Template:Coor_title_dms Thanks --Steinninn 14:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help please, on the Wookieepedia 

message: I just saw this template in use today for the very first time, on Walt Disney World Resort. I think it looks really strange that the first line of the article - even above the introductory paragraph - is the Coordinates line. Shouldn't the Coordinates be made a little less prominent; do they really deserve to be the very first thing in the article? (I'm using the Classic skin, if that matters.) - Brian Kendig 14:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't like the coordinates to be above the article, don't use Coord title ;) There are other Coord templates that do not present the coordinates at the top, have a look in :Category:Coordinates templates. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Captain scarlet (talk • contribs) 15:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, thanks - being as how this was the first time I saw it in use, I didn't realize there were different forms of the template. What are the circumstances in which coordinates should be the very first thing in the article? - Brian Kendig 21:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The template documentation recommends placing it at the bottom of the article to avoid this sort of effect when using Classic. (In other skins, a placement trick that doesn't work in Classic is used to move the the coordinates up to just beside the article title.) When you see this sort of thing, feel free to move it down to just above the interwiki links. — Saxifrage ✎ 14:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coords are the first line of an article? 

message: Please add :da:Skabelon:Coor title dms to the list of interwiki links. Thanks. Valentinian T / C 22:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interwiki links should go at Template:Coor title dms/doc, which is not protected. You can add it yourself.-gadfium 00:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danish interwiki 

message: This doesn't work for Cologne Blue skin.  Compare ,  and .  You should see the co-ordinates twice, but in the first case you cannot. --Audiovideo
:My mistake - it is in the far top left - a long way from the article.--Audiovideo 01:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cologne Blue skin

message: Please see , which is intended, after testing, to replace the coor family of templates. These will then be substituted, throughout Wikipedia, by bot. All functionality is retained. Andy Mabbett 07:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New template: ''coord''