Talk:Kaykhusraw II

message: There is no point in having the Armenian spelling of the name of a Seljuk sultan, for several reasons. And while the the category placed first in the page, is certainly crowded, its main article Armenian nobility is still in great need of being stabilized. I am removing remove both. Cretanforever 03:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Armenian

message: For several months now, there has been some debate as to which spelling of the sultan’s name is the most appropriate title for this article in English Wikipedia. The spelling current in English language academic literature is “Kaykhusraw.” Some Wikipedia editors prefer the Turkish spelling “Keyhüsrev,” which is understandable given the sultan’s role in Anatolian history and Turkish civilization. Still, “Kaykhusraw” is the form most familiar to readers of English, and Wikipedia Naming Conventions suggest that we use this form. Below is a list of credible English language sources. All use the spelling “Kaykhusraw.” The first two books in the list are the essential English language references for the history of the Seljuks of Rum.
 
:*”Kaykhusraw” Speros Vryonis, The Decline of Medieval Hellenism in Asia Minor and the Process of Islamization from the Eleventh through the Fifteenth Century  (University of California Press, 1971), p. 134.
:*”Kaykhusraw” Claude Cahen, Pre-Ottoman Turkey: A General Survey of the Material and Spiritual Culture and History, c. 1071-1330  (Taplinger Publishing, 1968), p. 127.
:*”Kaykhusraw” Stephen Album, Checklist of Islamic Coins, 2nd edition (1998), p. 62.
:*”Kaykhusraw” The Glory of Byzantium: Art and Culture of the Middle Byzantine Era, A.D. 843-1261, edited by Helen C. Evans and William D Wixom (New York: Metropolitan Museum of Art, 1997), p. 416.
:*”Kaykhusraw” Jonathan Phillips, The Fourth Crusade (Viking, 2004), p. 191. 
:*“Kay-khusraw” The Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium (Oxford University Press, 1991), vol. 2, p. 1117.
The title of this article must remain Kaykhusraw II. The articles Kaykhusraw I and Kaykhusraw III are also affected by this information.  Aramgar 02:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, just noticed this thread.  I concur that "Kaykhusraw" seems to be the most common spelling and I support that spelling for an article title.  However, I think we should still do our best to provide redirects from all the possible alternate spellings, to aid other readers who may be working from a source that uses a different spelling (of which there are many!). --Elonka 20:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kaykhusraw or Keyhüsrev

message: The traveler Simon of Saint-Quentin, whose memoirs are included in the Speculum historiale of Vincent of Beauvais, is a major source for this period. I am looking for a copy so that I can attach the needed citations. It may take me a couple of weeks. Aramgar 16:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Simon of St Quentin]] and [[Vincent of Beauvais]]

message: The Encyclopaedia of Islam states that Köse Dağ is a “land-corridor some 50 miles/80 km. to the north-west of Sīwās” and, under “Kaykhusraw II” in the same work, “between Erzindjan and Sivas.” Cahen in Pre-Ottoman Turkey locates the battle in “the defile of Köse Dagh, in the province of Erzinjān.” My cherished Turkish atlas, Köy Köy Türkiye: Yol atlası (Istanbul 2006), puts Kösedağ Geçidi (Köse Dağ Pass) to the south of Gümüşhane and well to the north of Erzincan. In 13th century terms, this would be close to the lands of the Empire of Trebizond and nowhere near the caravan route between Sivas and Erzincan. Can anyone produce a credible source in any language that offers more precision? Thanks  Aramgar 16:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The information above is corroborated by Anthony Bryer and Richard Winfield, The Byzantine Monuments and Topography of the Pontos, vol. 1, (Washington D.C.: Dumbarton Oaks, 1985) 172, 353.  Aramgar 21:13, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, there are a number of "Köse Dağ" in Turkey. The one that immediately comes to mind for me is the impressive pinnacle that sits between the Aras and Eleshkirt valleys in present-day eastern Turkey, but it's too far east to be the location of the battle. There is another Köse Dağ in the mountain range between Suşeri and Zara - that one seems a more reasonable location. Meowy 14:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Where was the Battle of Köse Dağ

message: According to Claude Cahen, Chormaqan was very old but very much alive in 1243 and 1244 (pp. 269). Aramgar 17:27, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jurmaghun or [[Chormaqan]]

message: Silver trams of Hethoum I (1226-1270) acknowledging Seljuq sultan Kaikhusrau II (1237-1245), before Hethoum's alliance with the Mongols. Feel free to insert it in the article. PHG (talk) 06:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Relations with Cilician Armenia

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message: Please see the artical (content:Succession) where Al-Aziz Muhammad's daughter Ghaziya Khatun was wife of Kaykhusraw II's father, Kayqubad I. While on the article Al-Aziz Muhammad (content:Death), she was wife of Kaykhusraw II.
IAmAtHome (talk) 03:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I found this book on the Ayyubid history and I quote "Dayfa consolidated her relation with Kaykhusraw II early in 635/1237 by welcoming his proposal to marry the daughter of al-Aziz, Ghazia Khatun. Also al-Nasr II would marry the sister of the Saljuqid sultan" , page 44. Also here it says same. I can't find anything saying she married Kayqubad. In fact Kayqubad only married 2 females Mahperi and Adila Khatun not Ghazia and his sons their mother was thus Adila Khatun. Cheers --Ozan33Ankara (talk) 22:41, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Ok, Thank You. I am checking these sources.
IAmAtHome (talk) 04:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

text: @Ozan33Ankara ! Check Kayqubad I, there is another (3rd) wife named Ismat al-dunya wa'l-din.(in reply of:In fact Kayqubad only married 2 females)
IAmAtHome (talk) 05:45, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, most sources state 2 first wives. I never heard of the third wife. I will look into it. Cheers --Ozan33Ankara (talk) 16:47, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relation to Ghaziya Khatun