Template talk:Infobox Australian place/Archive 3

message: After seeing Chuq's modification to the location field (to 90%), which I think looks quite good, is there a scope to alter the font size on more fields (or indeed on all of them)? I'm thinking of Local government and Fed/State electorates in particular. I realise this could be controversial so I'm putting it out there as an idea and seeing what people think.
*Comment - I did up two mocks (using subst: on the template - so don't worry :)) of Bridgetown, Western Australia:
** Base article
** Small text, normal titles <-- the most likely if we do actually change, judging from consensus
** Small text AND titles
** Small text, normal titles for a suburb. (changed 10:09 3/12 UTC)
(BTW: please feel free to play with the mocks under my user space - they'll get nuked anyway when this discussion is over. I've done the very messy way of putting font size in front of each bit, if we were doing this properly it'd be done using a style feature I suspect.)
*Nominate and support Orderinchaos 03:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have currently changed it (dist/location) so it goes small when there is a list, but full size when there is only one --TheJosh 11:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Font size 

message: The template  has a number of good features that might be of use here. One is the clear definition of images: one dedicated map image and one for a photo (there are also other fields for emblems, flags, etc). There are also various other fields for area (urban, water, etc) and population. Since Infobox City is intended to be a generic infobox for cities everywhere, perhaps some of these features should be introduced here. 
Using Infobox City, I have made a rough version of what Sydney would look like here. If you look at the syntax, you can see that there are a lot of different fields available. If extra fields can present things better without being redundant, we shouldn't be afraid of having too many fields. Thoughts? - 52 Pickup 11:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Features from Infobox City 

message: I have started a discussion regarding this on AWNB, right here.  As it directly affects this template, I thought that people who monitor here but not over there might like to see.  Basically, there is a consensus more-or-less to scrap this field, as in my opinion it creates more problems than it solves.  But I'd like to hear your thoughts before I go and chop it out of the template.
Please comment over there, as opposed to here, so that the discussion remains centralised.
Thanks!
Lankiveil 09:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is an interesting field to use, and when I use a reference link to domain.com.au it gives interesting demographics about the suburb. If you put an access date in the reference then people can see if it is probably out of date. domain.com.au also has no results for statistically not reliable (SNR) data. If people don't want to use it they could just not use it. It doesn't need to be deleted. Zephyr103 06:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Property Values 

message: Can people please remove <ref> inside the template declarations.
cite.php (the ref parser) doesn't work inside templates, and seeing ref tags keeps bugging me.
Thanks --TheJosh 10:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite sure what you mean? It seems to work OK from what I can see (eg on Hamersley, Western Australia where you can see refs at the bottom from stuff in the template) On thinking about it, I'm thinking you probably mean something completely different but I'm not sure what :) Orderinchaos 10:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See m:Cite/Cite.php#Issues. --TheJosh 23:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  <nowiki><ref></nowiki> tags 

message: I have been analysing ABS QuickStats. This is about as short as a url for abs can get. Notice also
http://www8.abs.gov.au/ABSNavigation/prenav/LocationSearch?areacode=POA2086&producttype=QuickStats&action=401
This url is for postcode 2086. 29/6/07 - note this url no longer works
This means we can automate links to ABS, using the rather reliable postcodes, without requiring users to determine town codes, etc. And it has a small enough scope to be useful. How we use it? don't know. Perhaps an Infobox footnote?
--TheJosh 10:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As discussed previously, only should be used when better info is not available (i.e. suburb-level or even town-level) - the postcode of 6306 for example is one-half Beverley and one-half a very large rural region with quite a different demographic, while 6167 is the *entire* Town of Kwinana LGA, and Brisbane's postcode regions are quite generous as well. I note the link you gave does work by substituting the relevant code for the suburb - eg SSC51221 for Calista (a subset of Kwinana) Orderinchaos 10:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The big advantage of using postcodes is that the _template_ can automate it, rather than requiring users (and therefore leaving it to human error) to do it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheJosh (talk • contribs) 23:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infomation Sources (Auto Links?) 

message: 2 suggestions here. :)
Can the red spot for the city map be more apparent? It appears no problem in its full size but when it's shrunk to a smaller size it's not that noticeable.
Also can the wording for "suburbs around xxx" and those about mean temperatures be standardise like other items such as "postcode", "LGA"? Afterall they're of the same category and should have same font size and background.
matt-(my page-leave me a message) 16:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you explain the red spot better - provide an example page. --TheJosh 23:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically it's about the map, let say Adelaide city.
 vs 
It makes is more clear where Adelaide is especially for people with slight colourblind problems like me. Thanks matt-(my page-leave me a message) 14:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I do see Matt's point but the dot proposed is massive and I agree with TheJosh - would an intermediate size be possible? As an aside, in the top example, I'm sure Elizabeth residents would be less than amused to discover they are at one with the fishes :) Orderinchaos 06:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe instead of a red dot - a red circle, or a red circle with a crosshair in it? -- Chuq 23:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go with crosshair, ill develop one sometime --TheJosh 00:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Seems to me like it may be workable. SauliH 03:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  done --TheJosh 23:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  map for cities and suburb/mean temperature 

message: Could we get rid of whatever is adding the category cities in state from the template, it adds the rightfully non-existent category Cities in the ACT to the Canberra article. --Peta 01:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed for act only --TheJosh 23:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Automatic categorization

message: Hey,
I would just like to inform everyone I am going to go on a short WikiBreak. This is only of importance here because I feel like the unofficial leader of this group. I therefore unofficially promote Orderinchaos as the unoffical leader of this template management (for the next few months, until everything is running real smooth)
When I get back, I am thinking of creating a wikiproject, Wikiproject Infoboxes, mabey...
Until then,TheJosh 23:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Only just noticed this comment about setting up a wikiproject for infoboxes. By coincidence, I had the same idea and recently made a proposal for such a project here. My idea is to set up a central place for infobox designers to come together to help each other out, share ideas, etc. - 52 Pickup 15:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiBreak 

message: Fixed. You had the propval field listed twice in the infobox code, so it did not show up. In the future please copy the code from the Blank Infobox Template Page into the article and all should be ok. ◄§ĉҺɑʀκs► 11:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  propval not showing up in a suburb... 

message: Some people put large national parks, etc, in the neighbours. Those national parks can be in multiple locations rather than one place like an lga or suburb. I think it's better to put (national park name) suburb name. Zephyr103 05:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  neighbours: limit to suburbs, lga, oceans 

message: Thanks to a CFD debate on 3 January, Category:Suburbs of Perth will be renamed to Category:Suburbs of Perth, Western Australia. This is going to break the template for the Perth suburbs as it'll be pointing to a now-nonexistent category. Any ideas/thoughts? Orderinchaos 03:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Update the template? -- Renesis (talk) 03:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Challenge 

message: This:
: around 
looks like a bug to me. I read it as saying
:IF there's a List of  suburbs THEN link "Suburbs" to List of  suburbs
:ELSE
::IF there's a :Category: suburbs THEN link "Suburbs" to :Category:Suburbs of  <--WTF???
::ELSE don't link "Suburbs" at all.
Why check if there's a category of one name, only to link to a category of a different name? Hesperian 04:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bug?

message: Can someone explain the formating problem regarding the edit links on Blinman, South Australia. The first 3 are grouped together at the bottom of the infobox. Any ideas? Sorry if this has come up b4 ...maelgwntalk 09:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite sure what the formatting problem is? Looks OK to me... If you could let me know what you see and where that would be of great assistance Orderinchaos 11:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting error