Talk:Utah/Archive 1

message: What percentage of the population of Utah is Mormon?
:About 65% of Utah's population is Mormon, although the percentage is lower in Salt Lake City (about 45%) and higher in places such as Cache County and Utah County (about 90%)
::'70% Mormon' seems to be the most often repeated figure, but "a 2000 survey of American religious identification by the City University of New York found that only 57 percent of Utah's population belonged to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, down from 71 percent in 1990", so it's unclear which figure is correct BSveen 05:29, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
::Don't they record these kinds of things in the census? bob rulz 09:03, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
:::I think it's illegal to ask about religion in the Census . BSveen 09:50, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
:::: No its actually prefectly legal to ask about religion on the Census
I've not compared to the Census figures, but the latest figures (2003) I saw was between 50-60 percent "claimed" to be LDS. I think the 57 percent figure should be referenced, until something better is found, as it seems to be the most recent, accurate statistic available that is referenceable. -Visorstuff 20:30, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There are no Census figures. It is against the law for the US government to ask Americans about their religious affiliations. See this page: https://ask.census.gov/cgi-bin/askcensus.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=29. 70% seems to be the most agreed-upon figure, in the past few years there have been several sources that quote this figure. -BSveen 23:19, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)
---The Salt Lake Tribune, in a story dated July 24, 2005 puts the percentage of LDS members in the state (2004) at 62.4 percent and declining. They say they obtained the information through a public records request to a state agency which obtains membership records directly from the LDS church.--Maylett 03:28, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Percentage of Mormons?

message: Most states, including Montana, have a section about the economy of the state. Curiously, Utah does not. Perhaps one should be added? I do not know enough about the economy of Utah to contribute, but perhaps someone else could? 67.161.208.117 21:13, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy? 

message: The recent inclusion (second paragraph) from user 67.182.132.142 about Utah being "higher than the national average for wife-beating, child (sex) abuse, and teenage suicide" seems innapropriate — maybe just an anonymous poster taking a jab. Half the states in the country are above or below the "national average" on any given subject. Assuming the statements are even true, unless they can be wrapped into a meaningful context that demonstrates how being only above or below average in these areas is worthy of special mention, I suggest deletion.
:I've removed it. It was completely irrelevant and innapropriate. bob rulz 08:06, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps something can be mentioned about these under "Miscellaneous Information." The relevency of those statistics is that in all other areas of crime or quality of life, Utah tends to be much better than the national average. 
Here's a cut from a Salt Lake Tribune (paid archives) article about rape in Utah:
Article Last Updated: 8/12/2005 02:33 AM
Rape rate a huge danger to Utahns: Study says 90 percent of sexual assaults occur before victim is 18
By Stephen Hunt
The Salt Lake Tribune
One in eight Utah women will be raped sometime during her lifetime.
And one in three Utah women will experience some form of sexual
violence - child molestation being the most common, according to a
new report released Thursday by the Utah Commission on Criminal and
Juvenile Justice.
Rape is the only violent crime in Utah whose rate exceeds the
national average. By comparison, Utah's rates for other violent
crimes - such as murder, robbery or aggravated assault - are
historically half to a third of the national average, according to
the report, entitled "Rape in Utah: A Survey of Utah Women About
Their Experience with Sexual Violence."
The statistics cited in the article can be found at the [Utah Department of Heath - Rape & Sexual Assault] page
According to the [Utah Department of Health - Suicide] page:
"The Utah suicide rate for young males is the highest in the nation at 22 per 100,000 population (the U.S. rate is 17.46)."
Not just above the national average, but the highest.
I can't find any reliable statistic comparing Utah to other states regarding domestic violence, but the [Utah Department of Health - Domestic Violence] page does consider it to be a very large problem for the state.
:Tyreseus 22:09, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate? 

message: I don't think that the inclusion of population estimates for these cities for the year 2050 is relialbe, necessary, or revelant in any way. If nobody objects soon, then I'm going to remove those figures. bob rulz 04:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New tables

message: On the Navbox at the bottom of the Utah page, it lists the Salt Lake City-Ogden Metropolitan area as two seperate areas. The United States Census Bureau offically considers Weber, Davis and Salt Lake Counties in the Salt Lake City-Ogden Metro area, and the State of Utah Considers All of Weber, Davis, Salt Lake, Utah, and portions of Box Elder and Tooele Counties as part of one large Salt Lake City-Ogden-Provo Metro area. If you went by either offical definition the Ogden Metro area and the Salt Lake City Metro area are combined. (Hypernick1980 10:15, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, if you would check the most recent updates from the U.S. Census Bureau, you would find that in 2003 or so, they split the Ogden metro area and the Salt Lake metro area. Check the website. You'll find it. On another note, the U.S. Census Bureau, not the state of Utah, officially defines metropolitan areas. bob rulz 06:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It's certainly possible. bob rulz 03:33, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salt Lake CIty-Ogden Metro area 

message: What is LDS?  Quote: "Beginning in the late 19th century with the state's mining boom, including what is now the world's largest open pit mine, companies attracted large numbers of non-LDS immigrants with job opportunities."
:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Does it not specify in the article? bob rulz 07:58, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just to be more clear, the letters LDS stand for "Latter-day Saint", denoting a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  Aranhamo 16:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Can someone check the dimension and size of the state? They cannot be the same in metric and imperial measurements.
Be-duh?  Someone needs to re-check the numbers in the "Demographics/Age and Sex" bit...  9.4% + 32.2% + 8.5% = a little bit more than 50% of the state population.  I'm confused -- did someone maybe inadvertently delete a number from one of the figures or something?  Because that's definitely wrong.  I would fix it, but I'm not sure what the numbers are...  --71.219.51.225 15:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, presumably then the rest of the state would be between the ages of 18 and 65.  In 2000, 9% of the population was between ages 0-4, 23% from 5-17, 22% from 18-29, 31% from 30-54, 6% from 55-64, and 9% over 65.  http://governor.utah.gov/dea/HTMLBriefs/Age%20Brief/State/%25Chart.htm  Aranhamo 21:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misc questions: 

message: I've deleted the unsourced meth "fact", partially because the article on Meth simply states this:
:The meth problem is most prevalent in suburban and rural areas of the Southwest and Midwest.
And partly because the information at this site makes it clear that Utah is not the biggest Meth state in the nation:  http://www.kci.org/meth_info/national_trend.htm (having, in 1998, less than 1/3 the meth seizures as Missouri, and having had no "super labs" seized, where California had over 50).  The Jade Knight 10:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meth 

message: The statistics stating that Utah is 81% Christian and 60% Mormon seems to add up to 141% total--Mormonism is as alligned with traditional Christianity as Christianity is alligned with Judaism.  Mormon doctrine is in some aspects contradictary to the Christian version of the Holy Bible; it relies at least as heavily upon the Book of Mormon as it does upon the writings of the Christian Apostles.  Just because someone conceeds that Jesu of Nazareth existed does not necessarily denote Christian beliefs.  Perhaps some research into LDS doctrine should be performed.
:The listing of religious groups does not say "Traditional Christianity" it just says "Christianity". Any member of the LDS (Mormon) Church would describe him or herself as a "Christian" - and aren't these statistics reflecting a self-definition, i.e. what people in and of themselves describe and define themselves to be? For those who think they own the title "Christian" and are inclined to make judgments about who worships Christ and who doesn't, the percentage of Mormons is also given. LDS beliefs are aligned much more closely with so-called "traditional Christianity" than the latter is with Judaism, that is not a fair comparison. The King James version of the Holy Bible is an integral part of the LDS scripture canon.
::Christianity uses the Hebrew texts in the form of the "Old Testiment" just as Mormonism uses the "Traditional Christian" Bible; does that make all Christians Jewish?  What someone names themselves does not necissarily mean that classification is legitimate in the majority of people who maintain that viewpoint.  Is it not the right of the majority of the group to choose the requirements for membership?--Most Christains who understand Mormon doctrine (including more "radical" Evangelical sects) would not label them Chirstian.  Personally, I am not affiliated with either Christianity or Mormonism; however, I do respect the modern (definitely NOT the only true) concept of Christianity held by the majority of it followers.
::P.S. Jesus was a Jewish reformer--How is this an unfair comparison?
Christians are Christians because they worship Jesus as their Saviour and follow His teachings recorded in the New Testament. Since Jews do not do this, they are not Christians. Many, if not a majority, of Christians "choose" this as a "requirement" for "membership" and acknowledge members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints as fellow Christians. What is the "modern concept of Christianity", if it is not worshipping Jesus and following His teachings?
The comparison is not fair because, again, LDS beliefs are aligned much more closely with so-called "traditional Christianity" than the latter is with Judaism; "traditional Christian" and Latter-Day Saint belief accepts Jesus Christ as the Saviour of the world, Jews do not.
:What makes Mormons Christians is that we believe in and worship Jesus Christ as the Son of God and Savior of the world, who came to this earth, lived a sinless life, died for our sins on the cross, and was resurrected, so that through Him and His sacrifice all mankind can be saved.  We strive in our daily lives to follow His example.  And no, it is not the right of the majority of Christians to decide who is called Christian.  Nobody owns the word, nor is there some world body of Christians that decides who is a member and who isn't.  If the majority of Christians decided who could be called Christians, then the Catholics would be deciding who the Christians are and who the Christians aren't, since world-wide there are vastly more Catholics than any other Christian church.  Aranhamo 13:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And that's exactly what the Catholic Christians did between about AD300 and AD600, when they had a majority and political power.  They defined what heresy would be -- and so defined who would and would not be acceptable Christians.  LDS people do not accept the ancient Catholic distinctions on Christian, and view themselves as Restorationist i.e. seeking to return to the beliefs and practices of Christians during the first two centuries after Christ's death and resurrection.  So -- yes, LDS people view themselves as Christians, but not as Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox, and so would include themselves in the total number of Christians within the State of Utah.  Odd little topic for Utah history.  Best wishes.  WBardwin 00:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately for you, you don't have the authority to decide who can and can't call themselves Christians.  Nor do you have the authority to dictate to others what is and isn't true, who Jesus Christ is or isn't, nor to determine who does and who doesn't have a "personal relationship with Christ".  We each seek truth on our own, and God tells us what is true and what isn't.  My personal relationship with Christ is just that; it has nothing to do with you.  When I served a mission for my church, not once did we tell people "Your church is evil" or "you people aren't really Christians because you don't believe what we do".  We just shared with them what we believed and asked them to inquire of God whether it was true or not, because there can be no surer response than one directly from God.  You have just as much authority to edit Mormon pages to say we aren't Christian as I do to edit Baptist pages to say they aren't Christians; in other words none at all.  Aranhamo 21:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Methinks he never found it :) --Lethargy 16:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Methinks you're right. They're not the same, the latter was resurrected. But then again, he appeared in the Bible as a resurected being several times. Anyone who beleives in Christ is a Christian. Jaxad0127 23:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  LDS Church 

message: The cite on anti-depressant use in Utah is from 2002.  Last I heard, this wasn't true anymore (I don't have a cite), and I've read articles that cited problems with the first study.  Also, I think it was in the article on the 2002 Winter Olympics or another related article that said that Hawaii surpassed Utah in Jell-o consumption in 2002.  I also heard on the radio the other day that Utah is not first in foreclosures or bankruptcies anymore (don't have a cite for that either).  Anybody have time to find some current cites? Aranhamo 15:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do have a cite for the fact that Utah is not first in bankruptcies anymore. In 2005, the Beehive State ranked No. 3 among all 50 states and the District of Columbia with one bankruptcy filing per 39.5 households, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute.. bob rulz 05:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did my best to incorporate that information in the page.  Hope it's satifactory.  Aranhamo 16:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I've added more detailed information on Utah drug use.  The article I have cited states that Utah leads in several types of drug use, and suggests that this is because Utahns are more medically aware in general, and are more likely to be diagnosed with anything for this reason.  I did not, however, incorporate this last suggestion into the article (someone else may if they wish).  The Jade Knight 00:39, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-depressants 

message: Now that I have a better understanding of Wikipedia's no original research policy, I think this paragraph will have to be backed up with some sources if we want to keep it. The closest I have found is this: Letter by LDS leaders cheers Utah Democrats, which clarifies the neutrality of the Church and does mention that Democrats feel that Republicans tend to give people the impression that they are church members and therefore the better choice. If we could bring the paragraph more in accord with this source (for instance, by stating that Democrats have accused Republicans of using religion to seem like they are the only good choice) we can avoid the original research problem. Anyone want to take a swing at this? --Lethargy 15:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

message: It may have been done before (as I see from the discussion here), but I added a request for a citation on the "political neutrality" line.  Given the amount of contention over that sentence, a link to some official statement clarifying the position on political neutrality should be provided or the claim should be dropped.
Justin 08:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had tagged that section as original research already, but see the "Update" section directly above this one for more info on how we can fix this. --Lethargy 15:45, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation

message: "And now for something completely different" or should I say, related to the article?  Given that this is a page to discuss Utah, I was thinking maybe discussions on Mormons and Christianity would fit better at either of those pages.  I was hoping we could discuss Utah on this page. 
I like the new Utah logo, and the mention it receives at the bottom of the article is good, but I was thinking maybe if we could put the logo on the page (near the top) then that would be a nice addition to this article.  –134.250.72.179 02:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only discussions on the LDS Church are about the state's demographics and politics. See those disscussions for details. Which of the six logos do you want to use? Jaxad0127 03:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life Elevated 

message: Somebody reversed this part:
:merging with I-15 at Tremonton and staying merged until Roy.
to say:
:merging with I-15 at Roy and staying merged until Tremonton.
Umm, isn't that the same difference, depending on which direction you're driving on the road?  Aranhamo 16:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the way I put it before, if I can remember correctly, I accidentally did the wrong direction; I said "it enters from Snowville, merges with I-15 at Roy and stays merged until Tremonton..." I didn't even notice that until it was edited. I might be remembering wrong though. bob rulz 17:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What if we just say that it is merged between Roy and Tremonton? That way, direction isn't a factor. Jaxad0127 08:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Looking at the edit, it seems the change was justified. It keeps the sentance moving northward (what a weird phrase) to match it's other additions. Jaxad0127 09:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK  Aranhamo 13:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge at Roy or Trementon? 

message: Why are Latter Day Saints lumped in with Christianity in the "Religion" section?  These are two separate faiths.  Thanks Dubc0724 13:06, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they are Christian. This isn't the place to discuss it though. See Mormonism and Christianity. Jaxad0127 18:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, no. Big difference.  And if the article has it wrong, this would be the place to discuss it.  I'm not trying to push any beliefs here.  Just pointing out that there's a difference between Mormons and Christians. Dubc0724 19:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Christianity means belief in Christ, which Mormons have. Please read the article I linked to and the existing discussion on this page: Talk:Utah#LDS Church. Jaxad0127 19:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  (edit conflict) I've read it.  I guess it depends on how loosely one is willing to use the term "belief in Christ".  Muslims may believe in Christ's existence, but that doesn't make them Christians.  But, other than noting my disagreement with this article's statements, I suppose it's best to leave well enough alone at this time. Dubc0724 19:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll clarify a bit more: belief in the divinity of Christ. Jaxad0127 19:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: This is not the place to discuss our personal beliefs as to whether Mormons are or aren't Christians. Edward Lalone 04:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mormons =/= Christians 

message: How do we go about determining who is famous and who is not?  Is there a way to quantify this so it's not so subjective -- maybe some guideline elsewhere on WP?  Maybe it's just me, but it seems like there's more than a few Utahns that are more famous that the ones that are listed here.Leon7 21:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, feel free to add those people then. I don't believe that there's an official consensus on who's famous and who's not (since it's a subjective thing), but I've always generally considered it anybody who is famous enough to have an article on Wikipedia. bob rulz 23:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Utahns? 

message: The article says: "Pentecostal, Judaism, Church of Christ, Non-denominational, United Church of Christ, Jehovah's Witness, Assemblies of God, Buddhist, Church of God, and Seventh Day Adventist, represent less than .5% of the population."
Does this mean 0.5% for all of those religious movements together, or for each of them? Andelarion 07:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion

message: There is a sentence "When Utah applied for statehood again, it was accepted". I do not see where is it written when did Utah first apply for staehood and was rejected.  can someone who knows add this information? Steve G 00:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be the proposed "State of Deseret." Jaxad0127 04:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, they were rejected several times. In 1849 as the State of Deseret, but also after they were the Utah territory in 1856 and 1862—I have hard sources for those. online source says they applied in "1849, 1856, 1862, 1872, 1882, and 1887." Cool Hand Luke 08:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then add them. Only two attempts are listed in the article, the first was for Deseret. Jaxad0127 00:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Application for statehood 

message: I removed several red links from the see also section. Some of these merit inclusion in the article itself, but putting them in a see also section defeats the purpose thereof. Here is what I removed:
*Ballet West
*Pioneer Theatre Company
*Ririe Woodbury Dance Company 
*Salt Lake Acting Company
*Tuacahn Summer Festival of Theater, which takes place in the Tuacahn Amphitheater in Padre Canyon adjacent to Snow Canyon State Park, near St. George
*Utah Ballet 
*Utah Opera
--Lethargy 00:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red links 

message: Here is a site that can give readers a good idea of how Utah really looks. It includes over 44,000 different pictures of areas around the state:
http://www.UntraveledRoad.com/USA/Utah.htm
—Preceding unsigned comment added by SharonSmith (talk • contribs) 
:Please sign your comments (~~~~). We already have enough pictures for this article. And their terms of use will need to be looked at by someone more knowledgable in that than me.
:If you're talking about an external link, their credentials (or whatever it's called) would need to be checked. Jaxad0127 18:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link Suggestion 

message: I deleted the discussion of "recent" constitutional amendments (from 2004), and reorganized that part a little.  A section on constitutional amendments might be a good idea, but it should focus on more than one election.
Schmobag
:While I agree it should have more info on the subject, incomplete info is no reason to delete. bob rulz 22:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constitutional Amendments 

message: Ok, under my understanding shouldn't the following utah law be unconstitutional and theirfor be removed (certain parts anyway):
    76-9-601.   Abuse of a flag.
       (1) A person is guilty of abuse of a flag if he:
       (a)  Intentionally places any unauthorized inscription or other thing upon any flag of the United States or of any state of the United States; or
       (b)  Knowingly exhibits any such flag, knowing the inscription or other thing to be unauthorized; or
       (c)  For purposes of advertising a product or service for sale or for distribution, affixes a representation of the flag of the United States or of a state of the United States to the product or on any display whereon the product or service is advertised; or
       (d)  Knowingly casts contempt upon the flag of the United States or of any state of the United States by publicly mutilating, defacing, defiling, burning, or trampling upon it.[/b]
       (2)  Abuse of a flag is a class B misdemeanor.
It was my understanding that they could not enforce the part in section d because it fell under freedom of speach! Crashedata 10:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As noted in the header at the top of this page, this is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject. --Lethargy 04:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Isnt this UTAH LAW Unconstitutional?!?

message: This section has grown considerably, presents conflicting numbers, and is larger than comparable sections for other states. --Trödel 04:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The section does need to be edited, particularly the stuff about the percentage of the population which claims membership in the LDS church in the state overall, and in the rural/urban areas.  I'll try to get to it within the next day or two if I have time to look up the sources.  That list of denominations, with their respective percentages, probably could be removed as well.  I do think that Utah should probably have a larger "religion" section than most other states for obvious historical reasons.  However, I have a lot of problems with the unsourced claims that seem to permanently reside in that section.  I would favor a complete rewrite with all of the unsourced material left out until those claims could be verified.  - Justin 02:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: The Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states format has been updated to include a new Sports section, that covers collegiate sports, amateur sports, and non-team sports (such as hunting and fishing).  Please feel free to add this new heading, and supply information about sports in Utah.  Please see South_carolina#Sports_in_South_Carolina as an example. NorCalHistory 14:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New ''Sports'' section added to updated [[Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states]] format  

message: I see that we have recently started adding "famous Utahns" that are relatively recent move-ins into the state.  I think, up until quite recently, this list has only included those that are natives, meaning that they were born in Utah (even if they moved out of state).  I noticed that John Stockton is listed as a "Notable Spokanites" elsewhere, even though he lived in Utah for all of his notable 18 NBA career years (he now lives in Spokane again).  Should he be listed in the Spokane article or the Utah (or both).  I guess I'm asking for opinions of who should, and who should not be on this list.Leon7 21:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous ''native'' Utahns? 

message: WARNING: "Fun" is illegal in Utah. People who have fun will be shot on sight.
???!!!?!??!?!? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.21.210.245 (talk) 00:46, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this true? 

message: Would this be an accurate link for the record high in Utah? In the article, it says "citation needed". Here's the link: http://www.weather.com/outlook/health/general/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USUT0222?from=36hr_bottomnav_health
Mr. Kevin James 02:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weather 

message: Hey all, how's it going. A few weeks ago I noticed the tag asking for an extended lead section and modified it. That was before I joined, so you'll just see my IP address. I'm glad to see someone cleaned it up and changed some of the poorer word choices! Heh heh...anyway, I'm interested in getting that tag off the article, so is there anything else we can do to improve it? I read a whole bunch of other state articles' lead sections to get an idea on what to write, but it could probably use some more info, as well as clearer sources. The one I used for St. George's population growth, for example, is useful only if you have the patience to scroll through a list of every city and town in the United States, and the table graphic they use is somewhat confusing. Yovinedelcielo 12:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead Section 

message: The picture on the demograph section is blocking the text. Is there any way that this can be fixed.  Sodaplayer  talk contributions ^_^ 02:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any problem with the images in that section, or anywhere else in the article. Remember, different browsers, skins, etc, will cause different results. You could try moving the image around to see if it improves things for you without disrupting the page too much. — Jaxad0127 06:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demograph 

message: Most of the pictures on this article look really good, the only problem is that many of them are in odd locations considering the sections that they are under - examples - bryce canyon picture under 'law and government' or an autumn forest in 'sports and recreation' AlexiusHoratius 09:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: Pinus ville? Is this accurate? -- drumguy8800 C T 07:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motto 

message: before utah became a place there was salt lake city and thn they made utah with salt lake city. 198.94.221.66 00:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  utah