Talk:Japanophile/Archive 1

message: by a consensus of wikipedians, it was determined that this useful category be eliminated. however, i maintain this valuable resource on my user page --Ghetteaux 13:30, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seagaliana 

message: It was my understanding that the word Wapanese is not derived from white and Japanese at all, but was meant as short for "wannabe Japanese." Surely, there are many people who could be considered "wapanese" who are not Caucasian.
:Yes, it is.  White + Japanese == Wapanese.  How else can it be derived?  Women? KyuuA4 19:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you find any supporting references for this? If so, we can add that as a possible origin for the word. --nihon 17:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's how I always saw it as.  That's the only way I've known the word, and while I don't know exactly the origin of the word, it's the only way I've heard it used. --mirth 17:47:35, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find 2-3 references online indicating that, then we can add that as a possible origin. --nihon 02:15, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

text:  I always figured it was the same origin as wigger (white nigger).
I rewrote the article in my tub, aiming to make knuckle children. Comments? Questions? Criticism? Concerns? Suggestions? --nihon 19:46, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wapanese 

message: Any thoughts on merging Asiaphilia into this article ?
Also, shouldn't the term "wapanese" also appear somewhere in this article ? Flammifer 02:06, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asiaphilia 

message: Yikes... these is so much wrong with this whole topic... but since I don't fall under any of them, I barely care... however: DO NOT MERGE Japanphilia with Asiaphilia... why? Because Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans language, looks, and culture are all different... also, Asian includes India and the Philipines... both of which are VERY VERY different from "oriental" asia. Basically, not everyone who has a Japanese fetish also has a fetish for Chinese and Korean... JUST Japanese. The two should remain seperate. Natsuki 23:08, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You have a point. If I typed in "japanophile" and ended up on a page called "Asian fetish" I would be quite surprised. --Apoc2400 00:42, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree with not merging Japanophile and Asiaphile. While one may be a subset of the other, those interested in Japan are not necessarily interested in any other Asian country. --nihon 19:32, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese vs. Asia

message: Otaku can refer to someone who lives in Japan and is an obsessee of some subculture (like a furry). If anything, the article about this definition at least must be preserved. There are articles titled Otaku in roughly a dozen languages; check out the size of the Japanese article, there's a lot to be translated there! Actually, I move to get rid of the  template now. Ashibaka (tock) 05:48, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: After thinking about it a bit more, I think the Otaku article is large enough and different enough to stand on its own. Removed the  template. --nihon 06:28, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree not to merge Otaku with Japanophile. Otaku literally means an obsession... of anything, depending on what word you're putting with it. It's like the word maniac... there's sex mania, tv mania, food mania... the word "mania" doesn't mean just one specific thing. Likewise otaku doesn't stand for one obsession, it can be used for expressing any mania. Only in the US has the word been affixed to anime obsession... but of course they wrong when they imply that otaku means "japan obsession" or "anime obsession" only. -- NatsukiGirl\talk 01:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Do not merge Otaku with Japanophile

message: It has been proposed this article be merged into Japanophile as "Wapanese" is seen as a sub-categorization of it. Thoughts? --nihon 06:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging with Japanophile

message: These edits added recently have not been referenced to any source whatsoever, deal with a point that is debated to exist at all, and in general blatantly appear to consist solely of original research. I will give a certain amount of time for anyone to defend the most recent edits before I revert to the previous version.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  04:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So, what's to debate about the point of its existence? You seem to be taking a rather know-it-all attitude towards this article, so you tell me. All you're saying at this point is that the content of the edit is stupid and useless because no sources are cited, but judging from the information in this talk page, you seem to hold a biased belief that the term Japanophile is not and should not be a pejorative, so of course, anything stating it as such no matter how ample the evidence must be stricken from the record. The point is that although there are few (if any) sources that describe a pejorative Japanophile in the academic sense, judging from even the past conversations on this talk page (and even while disregarding the 4chan goofballs), the term can be used as a pejorative and it is used as such. Maybe the added content isn't to your liking, and maybe it could benefit from some academic sourcing (I cannot defend the lack of academic sources, so I will go ahead and air that out as well), but just because you believe it's false doesn't mean that it is.
I have little doubt that this conversation will not change your mind in any way. However, even if the content is reverted, I also have very little doubt that, down the line, people will continue to post information regarding pejorative Japanophiles in this article with varying levels of detail and source accuracy. I just thought you should know that before dismissing the concept as "debated to exist at all."--Hailinel 23:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm a little offended that you accuse me of having a "know-it-all" attitude simply for requesting real sources for the information that you insist on including on Wikipedia. I assure you I act equally defensive of every article that I choose to put forth my comments on. I do not understand why you imagine I have some sort of biased beliefs, the article has never been written to give the impression that Japanophile was an overly "good" word in the first place. What part of the sentence, The word is sometimes used in a derogatory manner to denote a person with an excessive or misguided interest with Japan. which you removed doesn't clearly get across the point that is can also be used in a pejorative mannar? Since you have given no effort to verify your claims, and you state your self that your information isn't academic, I will restore the original version.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  01:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Last edits

message: I removed the following phrase:
:Notable Japanophiles have included Gwen Stefani, Lafcadio Hearn, Steven Seagal, Valentino Rossi, and Trey Parker.
It sits here for long time without confirmations provided. References, please. Either person's wikipedia article or some else must say it: wikipedia:Verifiability. `'mikka (t) 08:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it back with only Hearn and Seagal, as their articles support this. Nothing in Stefani's article indicates any of the qualities of Japanophilia (even her Harajuku Girls video seems to be a passing interest). Rossi's article only indicates he's on a team owned by Yamaha, which lends nothing to supporting the theory. Trey Parker's may indicate an interest in Japan, but there is nothing concrete in his article that indicates that. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for a serious attitude and diligence. `'mikka (t) 19:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Sounds more like a "PR stunt" of some sort, than real Japanophilia (spelling?) to me. Unless, of course, it was her choice and she made it because she has "a strong interest in one or more aspects of Japan or Japanese culture". 83.252.167.175 23:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: More evidence to support the idea that Gwen is a Japanophile: I remember long ago reading somewhere that the members of No Doubt enjoyed eating Kaaru, a popular Japanese snack food (kinda like corn puffs). Also, it is my personal opinion that she had been stealing from Yuki Isoya since around the time of the No Doubt Tragic Kingdom album up till some time between Rock Steady and her solo gigs. Her solo gig is very contrary to YUKI, but before that point, it seemed like she was mostly ripping off, or taking heavy cues from YUKI. I once did an extensive and detailed album-art (in the case of No Doubt's Tragic Kingdom vs. Judy and Mary's Orange Sunshine), album-idea (in the case of No Doubt's Rock Steady vs. YUKI's PRISMIC), and picture comparison (dealing with concert fashions and hair-dos and such between the two) of Gwen and YUKI, along with relevant release dates to support my theory that YUKI was being stolen from by Gwen, but this was on an old forum before wikipedia came around. I could do it again, if I thought it would be useful. -- NatsukiGirl\talk 07:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Japanophiles 

message: if weeaboo redirects here there ought to be some explanation why! -- 84.160.54.149 21:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  weeaboo 

message: "However it does not always translate into political like of Japan itself[citation needed]."
that does not need a citation.. nor could it possibly have one. thats like saying: hitting a person with a car does not always kill them, then someone saying WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES FOR THAT INFORMATION... common knowledge. removed...
:I added that "citation" tag to prove that exact point. If I had simply deleted it I would have been put under fire from competing editors, so I comprimised.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  02:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  source????? 

message: He is married to a Japanese woman and has studied Japanese, which he has used in South Park. Not sure if he considers himself to be a "Japanophile" though. Shawnc 04:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does "loving Japnese person" count as "having a strong interest in an aspect of Japan"? =D --Sumple (Talk) 00:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trey Parker 

message: I disagree with the inclusion of Korean wave and British invasion in the see also list and have deleted them for the time being. A passing interest in a fashionable country does not a countryphile make. TomorrowTime 02:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korean wave & British invasion 

message: ...as I've noticed. It has, since July 2006. As we've in the meantime established that Japanophile and Wapanese are not necesarily synonims, I believe that to be a bad redirect. I don't seem to have the authority to revert the redirect (it's been protected), so I hereby ask somebody on an admin level to do it. The former Wapanese article is no gem, but it's closer to the actual meaning of the word as this one. TomorrowTime 20:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wapanese redirects here... 

message: is the #1 most common reason the cause of Anime?--Takaomi I. Shimoi 16:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah. I hear Donald Keene is an unsatiable anime fiend...TomorrowTime 22:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  #1 most common reason 

message: Why exactly was the following:
:Notable Japanophiles in politics include Lee Teng-hui, a former President of the Republic of China, who was educated under Japanese colonial rule and has claimed to be "one-half Japanese." In 2005, members of the Taiwan Solidarity Union, a political party in Taiwan, visited the Yasukuni Shrine, resulting in some controversy.
taken out of the article? Is it factually wrong? A delicate matter? I'm asking out of curiosity, I don't really see why this shouldn't be included. It's mentioned in Lee Teng-hui. Why not here? Is there a good reason? If nobody speaks up, I'll probably reintroduce it into the article at some point. 
Also, what exactly about this article is not sourced, and which parts need clearing up? TomorrowTime 01:08, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lee Teng-hui's mysterious disappearance 

message: Ok, I've gone through the article and rewrote it in some places. First of all, since nobody spoke up regarding the OR and verify tags, I deleted them. Also, I threw out Nipponophile, as it doesn't seem to be backed up by any serious sources, and is more than likely just a insignificant neologism (if I'm wrong, please correct me). Since nobody seems to have a good reason for not having Lee Teng-hui in the article as an example of a Japanophile politician, I readded him. I was considering readding the blurb about Asian Japanophile population (at least in the new meaning of the word it exists, sure enough), but I figure the phrase 'around the world' automaticaly encorporates that as well, so I let that be.
Also, I notice that a heap of misunderstandings regarding this article arises from people having different notions about what the word actually means. There are two meanings - one denotes a scholar of things Japanese or a politician with a liking for Japan and her cause, and the other, more recent one is more or less a synonim with otaku. I have attempted to represent both these meanings in the rewritten article. Any constructive suggestions, additions or rewordings are more than welcome.  TomorrowTime 21:04, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting article, but what are the sources? Kaitenbushi 10:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article rehash