Talk:Jonathan Pryce

message: There is no need for a citation regarding Pryce's work as a diverse actor.  His film credits at the end of this article, his IMDB page, and mention of his theatrical roles DEFINE diversity.  I have removed the 'citation needed' tag.  Please do not revert unless there is a good explanation.  --BadMojoDE 21:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diverse Actor 

message: If memory serves me correctly, I saw him as Ebenezer Scrooge in A Christmas Carol on Broadway some five years ago, in 2002. The "career" section is pretty condensed, so I'm not sure how I'd add it in-- being *bold* won't save me from accidentally ruining the secton's grammar.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.203.91 (talk) 04:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add to Career 

message: This is one of the few articles up for GA that fails for reasons other than lack of citations. The article satisfies all GA criteria with the exception of good writing. It reads like a laundry list of Jonathan Pryce's work rather than a coherent article. I also don't think there is enough about his personal life or his early life. I would suggest following the template in the Ian McKellen article and split it into a theatrical and film section, as well as having more written about the man himself. This will require a substantial rewrite of the article, which is why I have failed it rather than holding it. Please renominate this article once it has been rewritten.Zeus1234 20:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahhh Zeus1234, we meet again. I was actually using Kevin Spacey as a model, but you're right McKellen's layout is more appropiate, thanks for the review. -Yamanbaiia 14:22, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Kevin Spacey model is quite all right as well; I merely suggested the Ian McKellan one, simply because him and Pryce have had (somewhat) similar careers. The problem with this article is that it reads like a timeline of Pryce's career, without much more information. Use whichever template you wish, but make the prose more engaging. Zeus1234 15:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: I've removed this: 
 Pryce's performance in these commercials was similar, in many ways, to James Sloyan's voice-over in Lexus commercials.Abbotson, Susan. Masterpieces of 20th-century American Drama. Westport, Conn.: Greenwood Press, 2005.http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=122621 (It is interesting that both actors also played a taken-advantage-of character in film, namely, Pryce's character James Lingk in Glengarry, GlenRoss and Sloyan's character Mottola in The Sting.Tichler, Rosemarie, et. al. Actors at work. London: Faber and Faber, 2007.)
I don't see why this Sloyan commercial is relevant to Pryce's career. I would appreciate for the IP (who is most likely User:Jpsloyan) to expand on what he found on those books that he uses as references, do they say that both commercials are voluntarily similar? do they say that one was a great influence in the other one? If the only thing those books say is "Pryce was in Glengarry Glen Ross, Sloyan was in The Sting" is still OR and trivia information.-Yamanbaiia 22:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, if this article is ever to become a FA it cannot have that sort of irrelevant information. Who compared that guy with pryce? it is definetely not interesting and original research. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and trivia sections should be avoided. I really don't see any reasonable way of merging that info in the article as it is suggested in Wikipedia:Handling trivia, so i'm removing it again. -Yamanbaiia (talk) 23:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I happen to agree with AnimalLover on this one.  This subject, although still an expanding field, is receiving substantial attention in scholarly works, and deserves to be noted somewhere on the page.  The current journalism suggests that there may be underhanded currents in type-casting these particular actors in subservient character roles if the actors have entered the voice-over market. Sloyan and Pryce are not alone; current research on the application of this paradigm to the Acura voice-overs is revealing the same kind of disparate and prejudiced casting treatment for those actors as well. Obviously, there is a trend in the industry that is just being revealed now, and, despite being new, I think the fact that it is of enough concern warrant scholarly attention means it is certainly worthy of some mention on Wiki as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.205.217 (talk) 20:23, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  I have been following this trend as well and find it fascinating.  I think that if Yamanbaiia can not cite further, specific evidence as to why this information should not be included, that Yamanbaiia should be out-voted on this one and the information should go in so that people reading about Pryce for the first time can appreciate this aspect of his career.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.207.225.22 (talk) 17:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Although I can not speak for the three persons Yamanbaiia appeared to be addressing earlier, I personally believe that she has a good idea about how to resolve this issue.  However, I am worried that the established user chosen by Yamanbaiia will naturally be biased toward her point of view.  To be fair to both sides, I think an established user should be chosen by each side to give an opinion on the noteworthiness of this information.  If both of those users arrive at the same conclusion, so be it; however, if the users have differing opinions, then I think both sides should mutually choose an established user to give an opinion on those two opinions.  Unless the opinion is obviously wrong, that should be the last word on this issue.  The important thing is that no one is left out and this issue can be adjudicated fairly.  I think this method is a lot more suited toward reaching those goals.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.149.71 (talk) 07:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When i said that i would ask for a third opinion from an established user i meant to say that i would make a request for comment. If you (because i still believe this is the same person or someone related, specially after i saw the note left on your talk page 66.177..) feel so strongly about this, please go ahead and choose the user you like the most, why not even invite the GA reviewer? invite to the discussion whomever you like, i only want someone who has NEVER edited the James Sloyan article and that has been editing since at least November. --Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 11:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I like what you guys are suggesting, but i don't think the user has to be editing since november.  We need to remember that users and editors are not always the same set (see EF:EWAD).  I'd like to not exculde the opinions of users which may bring a new point of view to the table. FA, here we come! AnimalLover323 (talk) 21:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to exclude the opinion of users that could probably be you. That's why i said November. You've got some nerve, FA here we come? you have brought nothing but unstabilty to the article!--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 21:40, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally take great offense to "Yamanbaiia" insinuating some sort of hacking going on simply because people want notable information on the Jonathan Pryce page.  I think it is silly to assume that people are hacking in and using other peoples' user names just to get this on the article.  To me that seems defensive and illogical if not impossible.  Wikipedia keeps track of IP addresses and differentiates users (ever noticed this?); it should be obvious that just because one shares similiar views with another person on here, they are not "the same person".  Even if it was possible to somehow hack into another account, Yamanbaiia is probably the very one guilty of such an offense.  I love how Animallover323 just happens to agree with everything she says right after she says it.  If anything, I think Yamanbaiia is projecting her own possibly guilty conduct onto others - kind of like how con-artists are abnormally sensitive to whether law-abiding people are in fact cheating them.  After reviewing all the comments above, I think what is really going on here is that Yamanbaiia is trying to create a puff piece for Pryce and his career which excludes any potential embarrassment or denigrating information, despite it qualifying as notable or true.  If so this is a violation of wikipedia guidelines, as articles are meant to provide neutral, notable information - not be puff pieces for the subject they cover.  I would like to say to Yamanbaiia and Animallover (assuming they are not the "same person"), that I think the conduct toward the article has thus far been overly one-sided and controlling, with little or no support, and primarily defended on grounds of shifting blame: by insinuating that everyone else, (including me, I presume), is somehow engaged in a conspiracy to get this notable information in over Yamanbaiia's head.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supervox2113 (talk • contribs) 07:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm glad someone finally had the guts to say it.  I too am quite sick of immature wikipedians making "pet-projects" out of articles and losing all objectivity in the process.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.82.65 (talk) 22:35, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Yamanbaiia and I are not the same user. AnimalLover323 (talk) 17:37, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[James Sloyan]] 

message: Created new section per IMDB information.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.89.131 (talk) 00:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Television

message: ... actually a myspace page is now non existent so I'm deleting the link. --86.136.186.78 (talk) 14:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Official website"

message: Guys     I am new here but the hyperlink for "velvet paintings" takes us to Wiki's page for Velvet.  There is a Wiki for velvet painting at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velvet_painting.   I am still a newbie and unsure how to correct.  Hopefully one of you will fix this. Please visit my talk page when you make this change Qaderrik (talk) 23:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bio 

message: Ilmionome (talk) 19:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Praying Mantis (1983)? 

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message: IMHO as an obsessive person, the reference to Pryce's name change (Price to Pryce) should go not in the Early Life section—where it arbitrarily and anachronistically refers to a future event—but in the Career section, following the reference to joining Equity, which is why Pryce changed his name. Thing is, I don't know which (if any) of the <ref>s following it refer specifically to the name change (in which case they should be moved as well), and don't have time to find out, though I did have time to make this entry, so go figure. – AndyFielding (talk) 21:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name-change reference 

message: Can someone add Save the Cinema (2022, Mr. Morgan) to his filmography please?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karenann000 (talk • contribs) 10:36, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Save the Cinema 

message: Section on Miss Saigon Broadway casting seems very biased and leaves out key details (like the complaint about his casting came initially from B.D. Wong - a Tony winning actor of Asian descent versus just generally from the "Executive Secretary"). The statement that it was canceled because the producer "would not let the freedom of artistic expression be attacked" also suggests that this article believes this was the right choice. A more neutral wording might leave out this justification or provide it as a quote by the producer versus a statement of truth. In addition, the phrasing "he received much support from the acting community" suggests that the "acting community" as a whole supported him, when instead it was just select (white) actors. 173.172.42.170 (talk) 18:04, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miss Saigon Controversy