Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Kingbotk plugin/Archive 2

message: Using 0.9 and when I check "Upload" it says I need to fill out Folder-- what do I put there? --PlangeBot 23:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: never mind :-) figured it out... --plange 02:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

text: For other folks: it's the location for storing log files. Just click the button and select a folder. --kingboyk 11:51, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logging 

message: I have yesterday added a fresh request from this project on the main page which is where I thought it should go! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers for the Request. As for the above request, this should be able to be done. Will see what free time i get to have a look. Reedy Boy 19:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Is there any movement on this plugin. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Still no movement. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Novels support

message: It appears that if you run more than one "session" per day the log of the second session overwrites the first session and then adds the same date tagged entry to the "Logs" article. This makes it look like two "or more" sessions have the same references but when you look at the linked article the deatil is the same. You need to look at the history to find the earlier session updates. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a simple thing. I'm not really 100% ofe (sp?) with the running/usage of the plugin and its logging. Will look into it/speak to steve Reedy Boy 19:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Looking at User:Kevinalewis/Logs I can see what you mean about it over writing the log files. Im presuming that it really should be making the incrementing pages for each log, rather than overwriting the earlier? Reedy Boy 21:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea is that you'd manually give the second session a different name (i.e. it's a feature not a bug :)). However I do agree that's not very intuitive. We need to come up with a better idea... Reedy Boy hopefully we can catch up on MSN over Christmas. --kingboyk 08:12, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New version - Alpha version logging

message: Could this plugin support the new  tag, please? Mike Peel 22:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about the delay in replying. You should be able to use the "generic plugin" feature except when tagging articles which need the object=yes or astrophysics=yes parameter. I don't know if that's a minority of articles or a majority. As for full programatic support, I'll have a chat with Sam (ReedyBoy) about it. --kingboyk 18:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:WPAstronomy]] 

message: Now would be a good time to remind me about any unresolved issues - first come first served! :) --kingboyk 21:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bugs, feature requests, etc 

message: Version 1.0.0 alpha (release candidate 1) is now available for download. As myself and Reedy Boy are now registered as AWB developers too, the plugin is shipped with AWB. Download. Feedback is welcome! --kingboyk 09:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I downloaded the new version and extracted it into my AWB folder, but I get an error when I start up AWB now. It says: "Unable to load one or more of the requested types. Retrieve the LoaderExceptions property for more information." The "Plugins" menu item does not appear, but the rest of AWB seems to work fine. Am I doing something wrong? Using Windows XP Home Edition, if that makes a difference. Jwillbur 18:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You need both WikiFunctions2.dll and Kingbotk AWB Plugin.dll in your AWB Directory. Reedy Boy 19:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that worked. Thanks - Jwillbur 23:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it working OK for you? I see you're doing assessments - are you finding the tool to be a help? --kingboyk 23:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it works now, I just hadn't copied the dll's to the root AWB directory at first. It is very helpful, thanks for all the hard work. Jwillbur 00:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Release 

message: Somebody created a redirect  without telling me, which may have resulted in one or two double taggings on behalf of WPBio. I've done a run fixing transclusions of that template call and have updated the regular expression in the plugin. It will be released with the next AWB. Shouldn't be any major concern to anybody but please exercise caution with WPBio until I get the new plugin released. --kingboyk 11:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WPBiography 

message: The plugin qualify some valid album template instances as "bad". For example:  Jogers (talk) 20:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's bad because it has a | at the end with no parameter. --kingboyk 20:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I'm going to use "skip bad" option as you suggested anyway. Jogers (talk) 21:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albums plugin problem 

message: I'm currently working on release candidate 3 of version 1, which includes various bug fixes and tweaks, as well as support for WikiProject Novels.
I've discovered that the plugin is rejecting some valid instances of . This is because since the plugin was written, the project has added a parameter which can have a space in it's value. Checking , I see too they now have parameters which might contain spaces.
Since the regular expressions are at the very heart of the program, and their robustness is well proven by the lack of complaints about the plugin, I'm very reluctant to change them. However, I do think that the best way to deal with this is to change the basic regex pattern I use for all templates.
In prior versions, template parameters were caught with the following regex capture group:
(?<val>[^}{|\s\n\r]*)
I will be removing the space from the excluded characters, so that it becomes:
(?<val>[^}{|\n\r]*)
With quite a few other tweaks and changes in this version I strongly recommend running some extensive manual tests before letting it loose with a bot. --kingboyk 14:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major change in Version 1 RC3 

message: Response to my talk page question - yes it appears to be working fine. The edit summary was a trick I missed and I have removed the text to allow the "automatic" to work 'as is'. thanks :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What buttons did you press []? The summary says Unassessed class - did you type Stub in manually or use the checkbox on the popup assessment form? --kingboyk 14:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Neither, if I remember correctly I left the AssessmentFrom blank for the Class to test the "auto" assigning of the "Stub from the main article, which does get assigned. Is this wrong? the Novels tab has the "Auto-Stub", Stub-Class", "Crime" selected. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. Auto=yes should be disabled in non-bot mode, I'll have to fix that. As for how you're using it, it wasn't really designed that way and I'd have to test what happens. The idea I suppose is that you're tagging as Stub by default but changing it to a better class if you feel it deserves it? As I said, I didn't expect anybody to use it like that so some testing is in order :) --kingboyk 15:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the other templates don't disable it, and it would be too much hassle to fix right now. I'll look at the edit summary and any remaining issues after dinner. --kingboyk 19:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Also when "Class" and "Importance" tag pre-exist and are OK but you want to allow the page through to auto populate the Task force, pressing "OK" the fuctionality is fine but the "edit summary" claims it as a "Unassessmed" see. Talk:Black and Blue (novel) which I have just don that way. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, because the edit summary is built from what you click on the popup form. As above - I'll look into this. --kingboyk 15:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it to only display the class in the edit summary if the user selected a class on the popup form. --kingboyk 20:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: All seems to be working fine - for me. That is in non-bot mode. I dont' have acess to a bot enabled account to try that one out. SO I suppose it will have to wait. Thanks. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: You've still got "Tagging" in your edit summary :) Perhaps I should put some code into place to prevent that? --kingboyk 16:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, forgot - :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessments with plugin

message: I've been notified of incorrect behavior of the plugin at User talk:Jogersbot#Minor error. I don't expect substituted  template instances to be very common but if there was some easy workaround to this issue it would be nice. Jogers (talk) 11:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a bug, the templates shouldn't be subst'd and rarely are. I think a workaround would be too complicated with too little return (my bot has tagged over 200,000 times and this hasn't come up before as far as I can recall). --kingboyk 11:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor bug in albums plugin 

message: With the previous version of AWB, whenever I wanted to make a list for wikiproject tagging from categories, I would do the following:
*Type the category name in the search box and generate list
*Sort alphabetically, select categories, and through right click, populate from the selected categories
*Again sort alphabetically and repeat search.
This way, the category and all its subcategories would be populated in my list and there would be no repetition. But in the current version, I am getting repetition. Every time I search on the subcategories, a duplicate list appears. Solution please? — Lost(talk) 23:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe its possible to right click the list and filter through all namespaces as well as filter duplicates. RHB Talk - Edits 23:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aah ok... Looks like that option has been recently added. Thanks — Lost(talk) 23:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Might be worth reporting at the AWB page though. --kingboyk 00:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes thats a good idea. Infact there are other similar subprojects where we could do a similar thing. But as you can make out, I am not a technical person, so if you want, I can give you a list of such India related projects which are also descendent projects of other larger projects and we can work out this option for them — Lost(talk) 09:24, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another problem 

message: Currently, if the plugin has added or moved a template to the top of a talk page, it then checks for  and  and moves them to the top. However, if it's simply modified a template in situ it doesn't do this.
Result: if a page has a talkheader below a WikiProject template, like this, and we then just modify the WikiProject template, we don't move anything.
Should we retain this behaviour, or always run a check/move operation for talkheaders?
*Status quo - Every operation which involves searching for text and moving it risks introducing errors, including moving stuff that folks don't want moving. Also, we're under no obligation to fix problems introduced by others.
*Change - if it's felt that edits like this are a problem.
I'm inclined to leave it, although I was at first puzzled to see that diff until I worked out the logical process and remembered why I'd coded that way. --kingboyk 19:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've decided to change this behaviour. If we don't skip the page, we'll always modify the layout. --kingboyk 13:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talkheader and skiptotoctalk templates 

message: Having used the Plugin with the Novels element for a while now I would like to add a few requests.
I have missed the ability to easily add "Task forces" when working manually. Then I noticed that the relevant options are available on the WPBiography "right mouse" context menu. So my request run like this. 
Could we have a menu that looks like the following
Main context menu                 	Sub menu
                                  	
Task Forces                       	Short stories
                                  	------------
                                  	Crime
                                  	Science fiction
------------                      	
Needs Attention                   	
Needs Infobox (legend change)     	
Incomplete Infobox (legend change)	
Cover needed                      	
1st Cover needed                  	
------------                      	
Collaboration Candidate           	
Past Collaboration                	
Peer Review                       	
Old Peer Review                   	
------------                      	
Auto-tagged                       	
class=List                        	
I hope that is all fairly simple. It should be I think and I hope that makes sense - any questions please let me know. I used the pattern on the WPBiography and then blended in our features, hope that is OK :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes mine/steve's lives easier. He's poked me to ask me to do it, so when i get chance to speak to him on msn to check some specifics, i should be able to add it for you. Will let you know Reedy Boy 18:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi, there is no 'Cover incomplete', discussing it with steve, we decided you must have meant the 'benefit from 1st edition cover', and have left it as so. If this is not the case, let us know asap and this can be changed for the next release Reedy Boy 20:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite right, well spotted. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All OK? --kingboyk 13:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Altered spec above to match what you delivered - which was right on the money! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:12, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, not me, it was entirely Sam (Reedy Boy). Thanks anyway! --kingboyk 14:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Novels Plugin etc

message: Moved from User talk:Kingboyk
Hi there, I have been strolling thought the Unassessed biography articles, the Is in particular. I noticed that the bot is tagging articles like Harry Perry III with the listas parameter "III, Harry Perry" which causes the article to show up in the Is. Similarly it tags James J. Barry Jr as "Jr, James J. Barry" which puts the article in the Js. It is not a big deal to me, and there aren't that many of them, but I thought that you might like to know. Also, just thought I would let you know that I appreciate all of your hard work with the bio project and such. Cheers--DO11.10 22:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. It really doesn't matter, as listas= is purely cosmetic. That said, the AWB devs are aware that I, II, III etc needs to be fixed (I call a function in AWB for that feature). I did wonder how long it would be before I got a message about listas, and now I know the answer ;) --kingboyk 22:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I've now turned this feature off for automated edits, please note that the roman numerals cases should now work as 2 AWB devs (MaxSem and myself) have done some fine tuning of the MakeHumanCatKey code. --kingboyk 11:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: No, I wouldn't bother changing them, as all it does it determine what letter the talk pages are filed under in the maintenance categories. Hardly important. What I would suggest you look at though is whether the articles themselves are misnamed and should be moved. I think Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) seems to be saying that articles about people should be named Firstname Lastname, in the Western style, even if the person is/was Asian. I'd suggest reading the policy more fully than I just did, but I think that's the basic principle. --kingboyk 20:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interestingly, the Asian naming conventions pages, such as Korean and Chinese, suggest otherwise. SKS2K6 21:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, but I asked at Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_%28people%29#Asian_people. --kingboyk 21:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

text: As I said before, it doesn't really matter as it all does is assign some order to the maintenance categories. However as a few people now have expressed concern I think I shall make this feature work in manual mode, with the edits approved by the operator, only. --kingboyk 11:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. From now on, listas won't be added in bot mode. --kingboyk 11:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WPBio Listas 

message: This is going all rather too well (could you introduce some bugs to make all our lives more interesting - no I jest). What I wondered though would be if you (or I if you would prefer) write up a NovelsWikiProject documentation section, in the same manner and style as you WPBiography section. Just to give those new to AWB and the plugin an idea or two on hold it can and should be used. Thanks for all your help. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 13:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it. I have User:Kingbotk/Plugin/How it works to write (feel free to edit that too anyone). --kingboyk 13:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: PS The documentation is quite old, and not well organised. "This is wiki" applies here too, so if you can make it more useful please feel free... --kingboyk 13:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Novels Plugin & documentation

message: I'm not sure what is going on so I would have difficulty describing in detail, but!
Simplest way to put it is that the logging appears confused as to who is logged on and is logging against the wrong user name and sometimes log location. Have a look at User:KevinalewisBot/Logs/040407 Automatically assessed novel articles 1 for instance, I did that work in AWB with the Novels plugin and logged on as Kevinalewis. Is it another case of me not understanding. Probably. 195.171.206.98 16:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it uses the login details you supplied when you first set up logging. They're encrypted and stored in the registry. I did it that way so I could tag as Kingbotk but upload the logs and watchlist them as kingboyk. --kingboyk 16:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, if it's the log location that's wrong, I suspect it's something else. Have you perchance been logged in as one user and then switched to another inside AWB? The plugin doesn't get notified of your username by AWB, it discovers this info once per session and stores it. If this is what's happening we can consider it a bug. Since I'm now an AWB dev too I could perhaps have AWB tell plugins about username changes. Please give me more feedback on what's happening and I can consider how best to fix it, if there's anything to fix. --kingboyk 17:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This might be it. I did a run as KevinalewisBot and then loged out (both in AWB and using the IE browser. Then signed back in as Kevinalewis using both. Then the confussion happened. Not sure if you can see what the problem might be - or if I am just not understanding. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I looked at the link rather than just make assumptions ;) I suspect then it's because you've changed usernames during the session. Will look into this (but there's a proposal to alter the way AWB handles logins anyway). --kingboyk 11:32, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With any luck this in fixed in version 1.3 of the plugin. I now get the username as needed from AWB and don't store it in variables of my own. --kingboyk 23:11, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Logging signon confusion

message: Just a minor point, but could the entries in the logs either wrap  in nowikis or remove the {{}}, because it is transcluding the template which has no visual output. Thanks, mattbr 22:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I noticed your edits on my watchlist. Will fix it, thanks for the spot! --kingboyk 22:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The code is in AWB (but I wrote it); I've just committed a change which should fix it. --kingboyk 22:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was quick, thanks! mattbr 22:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logs 

message: * Is it possible to make the plug-in traverse categories. Given a main category, it should recursively tag all sub-categories. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 00:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feature request - categories 

message: The next "task forces" are "australian-task-force=yes" and "fantasy-task-force=yes", which should be added to the plugin when you next have a look at the code supporting the WP:Novels project. The second is just about to get added. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've lost track here... Does this still need to be done? If it does, perhaps you'd ask Sam (Reedy Boy) directly. He usually gets the simple jobs like this and is a bit quicker at getting stuff done than me :) (nothing to do with being half my age of course! hmph) --kingboyk 21:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still needed - yes please. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 13:08, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Added Australian for next release. I see Fantasy isnt listed, so not added. Reedy Boy 20:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Novels support- new task force

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACyril_Gordon_Martin&diff=136450716&oldid=110624713
Didnt like the "|musician-work-group Martin, Cyril Gordon"
Using current SVN AWB, latest built plugin in AWB SVN
Reedy Boy 21:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AWB Hanging 

message: I get Problem Loading Plugin: Unable to load one or more of the requested types. Retrieve the LoaderExceptions property for more information.
I had previously been running 3.9XX with the plugin without problem.
Thanks JodyB yak, yak, yak 00:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just loaded the new version and it seems to be working fine for me. The only problem I had was that I forgot to uncheck "sort alphabetically", so the talk pages always dropped to the T's when trying to assess articles. Have you tried removing the old version completely? - auburnpilot talk 01:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No I didn't let me give it a shot.Thanks AP JodyB yak, yak, yak 01:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was it exactly - I should've known. JodyB yak, yak, yak 01:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AWB 4.0  won't load the plugins 

message: On the "Fantasy task force" support I was awaiting the support here before creating it - as it will be a hugh task to add this without it. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah right. Well, i can add the support for the next release, its not difficult, its just a little tedious/takes a bit of time. Reedy Boy 15:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added for 1.4.0.3 - Due with the next AWB release very soon - "fantasy-task-force" Reedy Boy 21:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Top job - thanks :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Novels support

message: Me again, when I select the "Photo requested" button, nothing seems to be added. The stub/start/B is  displayed correctly. Thanks! JodyB 00:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that it only adds something if the template in question has a "needs photo" parameter. (It will add it to the /Comments page though, if you choose to create one). I'll put fixing this onto the feature request list. There's already code in the plugin for finding reqphoto and other templates; the problem I suppose is that there's a potentially large number of other templates it would have to recognise before being able to decide that it needs to add a new one to the talk page. --kingboyk 15:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, when I get around to making version 2, I plan to expand the generic templates feature to include declaring parameters and other rules. --kingboyk 18:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed our template a bit and included "reqphoto" but that doesn't work either. What exactly is the plugin looking for. I can add that easily I think. JodyB 15:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Nope, it doesn't actually read the template at all. Maybe in the next version it could, it might be possible for generic templates to be auto-configuring to an extent. I'll think about that. --kingboyk 18:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  <nowiki>{{imageneeded}}</nowiki> 

message: As you have mentioned having problems with pages containing WikiProjectBannerShell, can you take a look at this? That shouldbe good for adding new banners inside the bannershell. Currently every WikiProject banner is bannershell compatible. — Shinhan < talk > 20:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sam and I both have AWB version 4 as our priorities at the moment, but one or both of us will look into this issue when we've got that done. As always a gentle reminder may be needed :) Cheers. --kingboyk 21:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm familiar with VB.NET, though I prefer C# .NET, and I may be able to help you with this.  I do think it should be of some priority, given the prevalence of  and the fact that all WikiProject banners are currently nestable.  — madman bum and angel 05:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sam didn't tell me you'd posted this (slaps with a trout) and I was away from meta stuff.... sorry. If you're still interested in helping out please let me know and I can arrange svn access. Sam's more in the loop than me but I presume this would go into the plugin not AWB? --kingboyk (talk) 19:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

text: The new version detects the presence of these containers and in such cases won't move any existing WikiProject template. The time consuming process in adding full support (i.e. writing new templates into the shell, and possibly cleaning up existing shells) is going to be creating and testing the regular expression(s). Perhaps if somebody supplied me with some well-tested regexes and/or psuedocode it would be quite easy to do. I'll ask at the bot owners' noticeboard I think. --kingboyk (talk) 16:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't look like a robust regex and the author does state it's not well tested, but it gives me an idea of how to do it. I'll have a play with the regex tester and some wacky but valid template instances and see if I can make it suitably robust for bot operations. --kingboyk (talk) 16:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProjectBannerShell