Talk:History of Transnistria/Archive 2

message: From the article:
: "This region was mostly populated by Ukrainians and other Slavs"
Who were these other Slavs? 
AFAIK, there were no Russians until it was included in the Russian Empire in late 18th century. Note that the contemporary Romanian documents used "Russians" for "Ukrainians", the real Russians being named "Muscali", from Muscovy.
The Bulgarians came also later, in the early 1800s, due to the Ottoman-Russian wars. bogdan 07:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could the "other Slavs", in the meaning of the above sentence, have been Poles? - Mauco 07:31, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle Ages population 

message: I changed the word Moldavians to Romanians in the text, because Romanian is an ethnic term, whereas the term Moldavian would have refered to a subject of Moldavia which would not have made sense since the population discussed did not live in Moldavia. One alternative would be Moldovan, but using that term to describe something during the Middle Ages is extreme POV. TSO1D 11:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A belated thanks. Just for the record, there is no such thing as an ethnic Moldavian. It's all Romanians. —Pēters J. Vecrumba 01:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanians in the text 

message: Let's make sure that the interpretations of words match the realities of maps. Confusing the territory of the ruler Besaraba with the later territory of Bessarabia is quite understandable if you don't have a map showing Besaraba ruled Walachia (some place completely different) in 1308. I sectioned this off so it can be edited/commented without needing to sift through endless screens of text. I invite Mauco (or anyone else, obviously!) to post another source for discussion. (One source at a time, please!) —Pēters J. Vecrumba 13:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I already gave an explanation above based on my knowledge of history (I don't have Magocsi book, but this is common knowledge in Romania for people interested in history): Basarab, king of Walachia, ruled South of actual Basarabia (and also other teritories - Muntenia, Oltenia and Dobrodja). Afterwards, Moldova, the second Romanian state, took this land from Walachia. In 1812, Russia extended the name "Basarabia" to the entire teritorry between Prut and Dniester. Russia sought a quick peace with Turkey as it was atacked by Napoleon (Turkey didn't knew what Napoleon had in mind). Russia bribe a Turkish diplomat to achieve peace, and, in order to create the impression that its territorial claims are smaller than in the reality, deliberately misused the word "Basarabia" giving it a broader interpretation.--MariusM 01:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not trying to disagree but just to clarify: Was 'Basarabia' (or Bessarabia in English) not named after Basarabi, a village in Dolj County, south-western Romania? (Which is nowadays an administrative component of the Calafat municipality). - Mauco 05:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, I can probably correct myself: Basarabia comes from House of Basarab and it seems that the Basarabi village got its name from Basarab I, the first ruler. - Mauco 06:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was not aware that in Dolj county exist a village name Basarabi.--MariusM 14:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reputable sources point/counter-point #2 

message: The territory was probably only for short periods of time a part of the Kievan Rus, and it was not included in any of the Principalities of the Rus, nor had any administration of its own or any known towns.  
I rephrased it this way:
:Transnistria was inhabited by the Cumans and wars against them may have brought the territory under the control of the Kievan Rus' at times around the 11th century.
What do you think, Mauco, is that OK? bogdan 23:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kievan Rus 

message: In Encyclopedia of Ukraine we can read: "Before the steppes of southern Ukraine were resettled by the Ukrainians, this was an area of contact with various Turkic languages, such as Crimean Tatar" see "Ukrainian language section of this refference. Steppes of southern Ukraine include Transnistria but are not limited to it. While not mentioning Moldovans, this Ukrainian source is telling that actual Slavs came in this region after Tatars. Word "resettled" can mean that in the vision of the authors of Encyclopedia of Ukraine, ukrainians were there, left and came back. The "resetlement" in Transnistria happened after 1792, when the region was anexed by Russia.--MariusM 19:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Encyclopedia of Ukraine

message: I want to move this: "In May 2005, the Ukrainian government of Viktor Yushchenko proposed a seven-point plan for the settlement of the dipolmatic dispute between Transnistria and Moldova." but the page is closed, what can I do . . . . . Pernambuco 14:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The page is in lockdown due to persistent editwarring. Eventually protection will be lifted, or you can ask for it to be lifted. Another option is to approach an admin, for instance Bogdangiusca who has this page in his watchlist. Ask the admin to make the change. I am sure that Bogdangiusca will do it, as long as the edit is uncontroversial and if there is general consensus for the edit. - Mauco 17:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved from main transnistria 

message: I accepted a compromise in the Middle Ages section, to mention both Clark and an other writer which wrote about Ukrainians. However, I see Mauco's edit put doubts about Clark and remove clear information that the teritorry between Dniester and Bug (about which the second source is telling) is bigger than actual Transnistria. We already discussed Clark and he reffered at the left bank of Dniester, is no doubt about it. Also is no doubt that Dniester-Bug area is bigger than actual Transnistria. "However" is not apropiate, as the two sources are not really in conflict.--MariusM 09:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Compromise in Middle Ages section

message: While organizing articles about locilites in Transnistria, I found this text in the article of a village in Transnistria, having nothinf to do with that village. It was moved there months ago by William Mauco during the Clone Edit Wars. :) Anyway, can someone please check it, and put what is relevent and useful in the article, please. Some of it maybe redundant, so don't rush.:Dc76 00:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  old text 

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