Talk:Nintendo DS Lite/Archive 3

message: Allo.
There are two images I think really need to be replaced. The first is currently commented out, since it isn't even verified license-wise anyways. But still, it's a good concept: DS compared to DS Lite. Thing is, it isn't actual size, and especially isn't even close when shown as a thumbnail on the article page. Besides that, it currently needs to have its copyright status verified. (and, when you view the image itself, it's bigger, but low quality)
The second is the brightness comparison image. It's a very good idea, but the fact that the creator used auto-exposure renders it very difficult to accurately see the difference. It shows that there is a difference, but makes it too hard to see what that difference is.
I could create new images myself, but my DS is blue, and my DS Lite is Black. And it'd really be better if someone could make new ones that use two systems of the same colour. Bladestorm 07:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to replace the comparison image, but I'm going to wait until my new camera arrives, which is a week or so from now.  Gh5046 19:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replace two images? 

message: Section is growing again.  Am wondering if the links to official nintendo sites for each country are needed, particularly the non-english-speaking ones (such sites seem to fail WP:EXT, English language links are strongly preferred in the English-language Wikipedia. It may be appropriate to have a link to a foreign-language site, such as when an official site is unavailable in English, when the link is to the subject's text in its original language or they contain visual aids such as maps, diagrams, or tables).  Any thoughts? --Oscarthecat 09:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I was going to say that I thought the japanese link would still be relevant, but... apparently that wasn't on the list anyways. So, yeah, I'd say you did good. Bladestorm 14:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: There's no mention of virtual surround sound for the DS Lite on here or on the seventh generation consoles pages. I know it's not a key feature but worth mentioning? 80.47.200.249 10:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, correct me if I'm wrong (and I may be), but isn't that actually a feature of individual titles, rather than the hardware itself? I mean, isn't it just something that specific games do to fiddle with the stereo sound? Bladestorm 14:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, games like Super Mario 64 DS have a Vurtial surround Sound 'setting', while other games, like Rayman DS, do not. --Thaddius 17:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virtual surround sound? 

message: These pictures are of quite poor quality and should be replaced with pictures of higher quality. TheButcher 22:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I'm also slightly concerned about :Image:Black_DS_Lite_1.jpg, since it's licensed as being 'public domain' (ie. a 'free image'), but it's of a ds lite displaying part of a (blurry) operating system, isn't it? (ie. the pictochat) Can a picture be public domain if very prominantly features copyrighted software? Bladestorm 23:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that the picture is horrible, as well as an unnecessary self reference, and should be removed immediately. It is not adding any value, if not taking it away. Bilge [TC] 21:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I Agree, the DS Onyx Pic is horrible. Someone should just replace it. And someone should add some pics of the Coral Pink and several other limited edition DS's. Especially that new Crimson/Black Color DS.Masterhand10(Talk)(Contributions) 05:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm, Coral Pink and Crimson/onyx aren't limited edition ;they're here for good.--Jess (talk) 17:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Black DS Lite Pictures

message: In the "First available" section of the Info-Box, the Chinese release date is marked with a CH, but CH stands for Switzerland, not China, I propose to use either PRC or CHN for China, not CH. ZueriHB 16:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First available 

message: I've noticed that the article places all of it's empasis on the Polar White version of the DS Lite, The only DS Onyx Pic is absolutely horrible. And I notice that there is no Coral Pink DS Picture. Someone should get on it. 
Masterhand10(Talk)(Contributions)
:I have a nice and shiny Onyx Black Nintendo DS lite, I could take some pics if you like? Lmc169 09:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. See Here. Ill update it with my friends Pink one sometime. Lmc169 10:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need a better DS Lite Onyx and Pink DS Pic. 

message: On December 8, 2006, Nintendo launched an MP3 player accessory for the DS in Europe for a €30 price tag. The add-on uses SD cards and an odd 8-bit style GUI. The cause for such a low bit GUI is that to run MP3s the DS is forced to use the ARM9 processor, which is also used for running the GUI and most of the game code. Running MP3s on the ARM9 is claimed to use about 95% of it, however this is unlikely as ARM cores running at less than half its speed can easily decode MP3 and handle a simple display.
The above paragraph is referenced by an article that doesn't explain the minimalistic GUI, or give any statistics regarding the ARM9 processor.  Also, maybe it should be noted that the Play-Yan and Nintendo MP3 Player protrude from the DS Lite more than your standard GBA cartridge?
I'd remove it, as it seems to be purely speculation but I'd rather someone with more experience on Wiki handle it. Dunnymeister 16:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It also is not specific to the DS Lite. Neither are the Play-Yan Wi-Fi USB Connector or headset, for that matter. I'm not sure about the slide controller or camera, though. All the others are either exclusive to the DS Lite, or have DS Lite variants. I'd say remove it. Even if there's truth behind it, there's some inappropriate POV-pushing in the phrasing. Dancter 19:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo MP3 player 

message: Does anyone have any idea what the codename for the nintendo ds lite is as cant find it in the article? Thanks Lmc169 09:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the codename was 'LITE", but I'm not sure. -Lemonflash(chat) 00:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo DS Lite codename? 

message: Also A new Crimson Colored Nintendo was Realease In The Month of September 2007 In The United States
A Nintendo what? This is already mentioned in the article. It is inaccurate and has too many Caps and errors and has bitter grammar. It is also misleading. I will remove it. The person who wrote this should read and check first. They should not assume that the Crimson model was released in September because they didnt see it before or enter the store before the date and did in the above month. Unnessesary words here need to be removed. I will remove it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.132.177.152 (talk) 23:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   Duplicate of crimson and matte black DS Lite Release 

message: Are there any plans to release a cartridge for the GBA slot which will provide functions like PDA (i.e. calendar/diary, address book, calculator, notepad etc) and include an SD expansion slot?  Seems like a no-brainer to me. 86.17.211.191 23:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GBA slot: use for additional functions 

message: Any figures/evidence for the touchscreen's longevity?  Has there been any notable rate of failure?  Are original consoles still functioning perfectly with only a negligible rate of malfunction? 86.17.211.191 16:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Touchscreen life 

message: I think this article needs to be updated, there have been a variety of new colors such as the crimson black color. Pictures of the colors would also be nice.
P.S. How do you sign posts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.102.48.59 (talk • contribs) 
:To sign, just add 4 tildes (~~~~) without the nowiki. As for the colors, it may make the article too long. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 01:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can tell, there's no 'tangerine orange' ds lite color... - twigpi 68.45.135.172 (talk) 02:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More colors

message: I think we should have some pictures of the various colors available for the nintendo ds lite. It would be quite helpful, and furthermore some new colors have also come out such as crimson black. This handy little applet lets you have a look at all the current ds lite colors: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/lite/color/index.html
Oh and sorry for my previous edit, i didn't really know how to use talk pages at that stage. Ahmeri18 (talk) 18:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures of colors 

message: In North America, the Nintendo DS Lite was only available in white (renamed "Polar White" for the region) at launch.[11] On August 24, 2006, Nintendo of America announced two new model colors, Onyx (Jet Black) and Coral Pink (Noble Pink). They were released in North America on September 12, 2006.[12] On August 21, 2007, a Crimson/Onyx DS Lite was released in a bundle with Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day!.[13] Nintendo confirmed this bundle after it was listed by Canadian retail outlet Future Shop. The listing was picked up and featured on many major online gaming websites such as IGN.[14] As of October 2, 2007, the Crimson/Onyx DS Lite is available for purchase individually.[15] The Crimson/Onyx DS Lite may have different LCD screens from the other DS Lites.[16]
The source for the bolded text is only somebody's opinion. It is only a comparison of the screens between the Crimson/Black DS Lite and systems of other colors. Just because one person or several people notice a screen difference does not mean it is the same with all Crimson/Black system, as it could just be their system, or those people just look for very minor screen problems. The screens are the same or similar. They are the same systems but in different colors, so why would Nintendo use screens on the same system in the new color different from the other colors. The bolded info is very minor and may not belong in the article. Either reword it or delete it, as it is something we do not need to know.--Chykka207 (talk) 19:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The screens are not the same. Nintendo switched manufacturer at some point. 62.106.51.109 (talk) 23:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source for that info? ++Arx Fortis (talk) 07:16, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Different LCD Screens" 

message: How about the screen dimensions?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.200.247 (talk) 12:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screen dimensions 

message: Have there been any sources towards complaints on the DS Lite because one thing that is noticeable is that the DS has an easier chance of getting broken to where the little thing that hold the screws that hold the main screen have an easy chance of getting broken. Twice I had to deal with this issue and on the second time, even though I worked hard in avoiding damage it just broke off on its own after 5-6 months since I first had to get it replaced. I am just checking if there are any sources towards this problem. -71.59.237.110 (talk) 19:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structural Problems 

message: Since the numbers for Nintendogs is for all versions combined, it should also list New Super Mario Bros. (the real top selling game) along with it (like how both Wii Sports and Wii Play are listed for Wii). NSMB is the true top selling game at 13.14 million. TJ Spyke 10:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Silver Edge (talk) 21:42, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

text: The sales figure for Nintendogs is all versions combined, similar to Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, while  New Super Mario Bros. only has one version of the game for sale. --Silver Edge (talk) 00:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top selling game 

message: Has the DS Lite replaced the original DS? The article says nothing. Stores only seem to sell the Lite model and Nintendo's DS website seems to refer to the DS Lite as simply DS, like the original's been silently discontinued. There is a separate section for the original model at the website though. 156.34.223.155 (talk) 02:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions and possible article improvement 

message: Added the following - There have been a number of growing complaints concerning the hinge stability of the Nintendo DS Lite. Many consumers have reported the joint that holds the top screen to the console becomes brittle, even after casual use, resulting in cracks that eventually leave the unit unplayable. Repairs for cracked hinges are now covered under the Nintendo warranty and will be fixed free of charge. However most hinge defects seem to occur just after the one year warranty expiry and in the UK, Nintendo charges £50 for this repair after one year.
In February 2008 there were claims in the press that Nintendo were soon to release a Mk 3 DS called DS Exel - it is claimed that the new version will have stronger hinges to prevent the ongoing hinge malfunctions of the Nintendo DS lite.Dslite77 (talk) 23:10, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism of DS Lite hinges

message: Should the promotional website www.iplayforme.com with Carrie Underwood, Liv Tyler and America Ferrera be mentioned in the article? 142.166.206.5 (talk) 02:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celebrity Promotion? 

message: Would it be appropriate to use the vector graphic to the right in place of the image currently placed in the infobox? -Ryan  (me) (talk) 13:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Illustration 

message: I read somewhere that the attendees from the G8 at Japan got custom made DS Lite with their face on it. Is this true or false?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.77.13.8 (talk) 16:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Among other things, they each got a custom-painted Crimson/Black DS and stickers of their faces.  70.109.124.172 (talk) 16:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  G8 DS Lite edition? 

message: The Official name for the Color Scheme is Crimson/Black, not Crimson/Onyx. The black is a Matte black, not a glossy black. It is not the same black the Onyx system has. The Crimson/Black system has a matte black and the Onyx system has a glossy black. It is the same matte black used by the Cobalt/Black system, so why is the Crimson/Black system named Crimson/Onyx here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chykka207 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In this article Nintendo states: "The top half of the new Nintendo DS sports a smooth, glossy Crimson, reminiscent of a dangerous shade of lipstick or a cherry-red sports car. The bottom is a matte black – an Onyx yin that complements the Crimson yang." While in this article, Nintendo calls it "Crimson/Onyx". And in this article, Nintendo calls them "Crimson/Black" and "Cobalt/Black". So Nintendo is inconsistent with the names. All these Nintendo articles are being used as references in this article. --Silver Edge (talk) 21:04, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crimson/Onyx?color name correction needed 

message: If you check on ebay they have a Giritina Pokemon Ds lite  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poohman0 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giritina Ds Light 

message: Reports out of Japanese newspapers Saturday indicate that Nintendo is preparing to announce a new version of the Nintendo DS hardware in the coming days, one that adds non-gaming functions to the popular portable machine.
Nikkei Net, the online arm of Japan's foremost economic newspaper, reports that the new model will launch this year in Japan and include a camera and music playback. Nikkei's take on the new machine is that Nintendo is moving outside the boundaries of the "game industry" and attempting to create a device that will compete with more general electronics like cell phones.
The machine's wireless communication functionality will also be strengthened by allowing it to connect to "information terminals," possibly allowing a user to find nearby train stations or restaurants using his DS.
Nikkei does point out that the camera function of DS could be integrated with gameplay, by allowing games to use the photos taken with the hardware.
The online version of the story omits a line that is present in a photograph of the print story, which says that the new model will cost less than 20,000 yen (about $188). The DS Lite costs 16,800 yen ($158) in Japan.
Nikkei says the new model will go on sale in Japan first, this year, and that a U.S. release is "being considered."
And there might be more to this new model -- another version of the Nikkei report, since removed, apparently ran on a site called Monex and said that the hardware would have larger screens and be able to transfer data from the Wii or an SD card.
Note that we may not be getting the full picture of the device's capabilities from these reports; note also that the current version of the story does not confirm the two data points in the above paragraph.
Nintendo will hold media briefings in Tokyo and San Francisco on Thursday. Simultaneous media events generally mean some big piece of news is to be announced, so this would seem like a likely topic of discussion. A Candela (talk) 20:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  We're not citing that. This is the original source: http://www.nikkei.co.jp/news/main/20080928AT1D2701J27092008.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.235.246 (talk) 21:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nikkei: New Nintendo DS Model Adds Camera, Music Playback 

message: The current article has several significant issues in the layout.
* Lists are heavily discouraged.  Please write in prose.  There is no reason to have full lists of the features of the device, the limited editions, and the sales period.  Write only on the significant (substantially distinct) items, such as how different this device is from its predecessors or competitors, the limited edition that aroused subtantial interest or controversy, and an interesting point of time for sales.
* Avoid proseline presentation.  The article reads like a chronology of releases; the effect of which turns this article into something like an advertisement or news article.  In other words, avoid the "in xxxx, this happened, and in yyyy that happened."
* Kill the gallery.  Galleries exist only if they have strong reasons to be included.  They typically exist only in artist articles where a display of the artist's works is critical for the reader to know the artist's style and significant works that words cannot convey.  In this article, the gallery is used to display an all round view of the unit, which is not necessary.  One or two pictures are more than enough.  Any more can be set up in Commons as a gallery, which can be linked from here.
Content-wise, the article is troubling in the following aspects.
* Lack of development information:  in a manner of speaking, the article only states that the unit is launched with these features and here are its accessories and sales.  Nowhere is there anything about why this unit was made, how it was made, and the events that led to its designs.
* Lack of reception:  there is sales, but how is the product received by the industry and the consumers?  What are the praises on the device's features and what are the criticisms?  Did Nintendo act on those criticisms?  Is the DS specifically used for any purpose except gaming (several "brain games" have given it a reputation for education and self-training purposes)?
* Severe influx of unreliable sources:  generally, blogs are not reliable sources, and this holds true for all the blogs used in this article.  Please refer to WP:VG/S, WP:RS, WP:V and Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches for what constitutes a reliable source.
* Heavy use of primary sources: press releases, official sites, and sales information released by Nintendo are primary sources.  This does not help the DS's notability, which is determined by the coverage from secondary sources (those not by or affiliated with Nintendo), nor does it conform with Wikipedia's guideline that articles should be primarily based on secondary sources.  The article missed out the chance to use publications such as these (and I am pretty sure there are many other books out there as well).
With respect to the above, this is a C-class article due to the missing contents and non-conformance to much of the policies and guidelines.  Personally, I would also rate its importance as Mid as well (it is a significant gaming device but did not change the industry), but as this is subjective (the project has not laid down objective measures) the High rating can stand for the moment. Jappalang (talk) 01:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:VG assessment 

message: The differences section could use some work.  Many of the items listed are not differences.  They are descriptions of the DS Lite, but do not explain how it is different from the original DS.  For example: "
* "The built-in microphone is now located between the top and bottom screens of the DS Lite."
This is not a comparison.  It's a description of the location of the microphone.  It doesn't explain where the microphone was located on the original DS.    The same is true for other statements such as: 
* "The power button is now a power slider and is relocated to the right side of the device."
* "The power and charging indicator lights are now located on the right hinge."
This is great info, but where was the power button before?  Where was the indicator before?   The section assumes the reader already has knowledge of how the original DS was made.   Can someone familiar with both systems fix the "differences?"  ++Arx Fortis (talk) 18:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I made some changes. 142.166.201.211 (talk) 02:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences section 

message: Should there be a section about the hinge crack issue? Bramblestar (ShadowClan Leader) (talk) 21:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hinge Crack 

message: Is it really necessary to have separate articles for the DS and the DS Lite? If this has been discussed before, can someone point me in the direction of where? -Joltman (talk) 16:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After a quick look through the Nintendo DS and Nintendo DS Lite archives, there's Talk:Nintendo DS/archive2#Merge and Talk:Nintendo DS/archive2#DS/DS Lite Merge, with both discussions occurring in February 2006. --Silver Edge (talk) 10:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Agree. The limited edition stuff can be merged with another article I just discovered, Special versions of the Nintendo DS. It needs more links to it, can be expanded to include DSi limited editions etc., then its all in one place. Everything else can be cut or merged into the DS article. Aether7 (talk) 17:44, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge DS and DS Lite? 

message: the lite and dsi xl articles have no place being on here. once you cut out trivia and longwinded explainations etc itl easily fit into 1 article each. theyre size changes! they dont need their own articles jeez. i have just cut 3 psp articles (1k 2k 3k) into 1 so it can be done chocobogamer mine 12:13, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. The limited edition stuff can be merged with another article I just discovered, Special versions of the Nintendo DS. It needs more links to it, can be expanded to include DSi limited editions etc., then its all in one place. Everything else can be cut or merged into the DS article. Aether7 (talk) 17:44, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge with ds articles 

message: moved to main ds talk page as it should be chocobogamer mine 21:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  merger proposal 

message: I noticed that http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/historical_data/pdf/consolidated_sales_e0806.pdf (and similar links) have gone dead. In most articles the link can be replaced by the most recent version, but this article seems to be using them to source a chart of sales over time. You may find this external link checker useful, and in the future you could use WebCite to preserve them for the future; the December 2009 version is already preserved at http://www.webcitation.org/5nXieXX2B. Anomie⚔ 20:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead links