Talk:Comparison of SSH clients

message: Based on what criteria certain products get to be included in this comparison or others not? 
Going through discussions below, I see that "notability" is one of the criteria. Could you explain what makes one product more notable than other?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mstd83 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: "Notability" here is equivalent to "has its own page" which has enough third-party sources to meet WP:GNG or WP:NSOFT. See Wikipedia:Write the article first for details. Anton.bersh (talk) 13:20, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion criteria 

message: I note that in the Platform table there is a column for the Android OS, but no mention of Connectbot which seems to be the most common/popular android ssh client.  connectbot : Secure shell (SSH) client for the Android platform is (I hope) a link to the developers site which lists some of the features and of couse users can install it from the Android Market.  It is already mentioned in List_of_Open_Source_Android_Applications.
Would anyone mind if I added Connectbot to the tables?
Jon Peatfield (talk) 13:53, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It used to be there.  It had been removed under WP:WTAF.  As one of the few SSH clients on android (and probably the most popular), it warrants a stub & you might start one.  It has received some coverage in multiple books.  Red links will probably get purged from this page (and my impression is that the others are less notable). --Karnesky (talk) 19:10, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As of 2021, ConnectBot already exists but still does not have enough sources to clear WP:GNG or WP:NSOFT. Let's wait for this article to improve. Anton.bersh (talk) 13:24, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connectbot? 

message: Mindterm has been removed from this topic of comparison of ssh clients. 
I would simply like to re-add the product back into the this topic so that the data is accurate with a valid long standing commercial SSH product. I am not a developer or a WIKIPEDIA expert so if someone can share what must be done to re-insert Mindterm, it will be very helpful.  
Does anyone object or see any issues in adding Mindterm back in to the comparison? 
Note: Mindterm is shown in previous versions of this page. 
Thank you
Reggie Horne (talk) 12:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  MindTerm 

message: * Note that SSH Secure Shell (v.3.2.9) is free and is the only SSH client that supports FTP.
This client used to be listed, but was removed?!! I use it almost every day because of the FTP GUI. The ROTW should be able to know about this too. (I don't know how to edit pages yet, so I'm not going to add this to the actual page).
March 2008
Lehasa (talk) 00:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: SSH Secure Shell v.3.2.9 is no longer available for download from SSH. Also, FTP support is irrelevant. --76.173.203.32 (talk) 18:57, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Other clients also support ftp (SecureCRT/SecureFX bundle for example), but that is not relevant. What IS relevant is that SSH Secure Shell is an SSH client. Being "downloadable" is not a criterion for inclusion here, as far as I can tell. Am I missing something? Stian (talk) 20:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The criteria for inclusion is not that it exists, but that it is notable.  You do seem to be missing the fact that "SSH Tectia" is already on the list (as the current version of what had been SSH Secure Shell from what had then been SSH Communications Security). --Karnesky (talk) 23:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  SSH Secure Shell 

message: When I saw "source model" in the edit summary, I was thinking "threads"/"forking"/"single process", etc (like Apache talks about the various "models" in HTTP Server 2.x).  If there must be such a column, it might better be called "source availablility" or something similar, although it seems to me to be redundant with the "license" column.  Maybe an "open source" column, with  and  values, à la comparison of web browsers, would be better? —Fleminra 10:31, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Source model" is the usual term used for this. It is almost redundant, except for Putty which is listed "freeware". Freeware does not imply open source. NicM 10:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that in "open source model", "open source" is a compound modifier of "model" (some would hyphenate "open-source" to be clear).  Searching for "source model" seems to always find it preceded by an adjective ("open"), participle ("closed"), or noun "community" compounding with "source".  One instance where "source model" is clearly atomic is here, where "source model" is used to mean "gcc's internal model of the source code".  Maybe what we're really talking about is "license for use of object code" and "license for use of source code". Regards, —Fleminra 19:31, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have "open source model," "closed source model," "shared source model," etc, it isn't too improbable to refer to them as "source models." Technically correct or not, it is, I think, what most people will instinctively do, fairly accurate (they are all models of how access to source is arranged, right? source models) and IMO clear (I've seen or heard it before when talking about this stuff but the only place I can find it now on its own is Template:Infobox OS :-), I think you're right that is usually seen with open/closed prepended). It isn't the same as license, no license automatically requires the source to be open or closed by default, licensing is about distribution and modification. Even the GPL doesn't require source to be made available until binaries are distributed. License is already listed anyway. However, on looking at it, using the term "open source" is probably a poor idea since it is a licensing/political term as well as a description, so perhaps it may be better to change the column to "Source available: yes/no," which is more neutral and closer to what (I at least) intended the column to mark. NicM 20:07, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me.  The community should try to form some official guidance on these :Category:Software comparison articles because the same issue is going to come up with every one.  I recently started comparisons for web servers and DNS servers, and fleshed out this article, and I pretty much blindly copied what Comparison of web browsers did. —Fleminra 21:05, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Source model

message: I just annotated the "Technical" table to clarify what I meant when I originally added the "VPN" column: the ability for the SSH client to establish a VPN.  In particular, I did not mean that it could work over an existing VPN (which wouldn't be a feature of a network software application, per se).  In other words, OpenSSH (for instance) can create a local virtual network device (TUN/TAP), and alter one's local routing table such that all other local network software applications can transparently access resources on the remote network (sans socksification).
Naturally, having added the column doesn't mean I own it or anything… its purpose is subject to deliberation.  In any case, a quick scan didn't find anything to confirm that SecureCRT can do this, which is why I'm bringing this up.  Is it true?  —Fleminra 10:31, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that was an error. I added an X11 forwarding column too but then removed it and must have mixed up the SecureCRT entry. NicM 10:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: so re-add it,because it is important
The VPN functionality seems to be unavailable on Windows (OpenSSH via cygwin, non-self-compiled), even if a tap device is installed via other means. Would somebody more experienced than I like to check this and add a footnote to the Yes for OpenSSH? 88.217.99.159 (talk) 18:32, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: VPN

message: Is there perhaps a  option next to the yes and no?  I ask because OpenSSH is included in Mac OS X, Cygwin, the BSDs and most Linuxes, so perhaps that could be an option for listing in the platforms listing.  Janizary 21:42, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since inc is for incomplete, I put up included.  It's the blue one for Cygwin and BSD right now, opinions? Janizary 22:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: included

message: Maybe "[date of] most recent release" would be more objective.  —Fleminra 20:19, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Active" column

message: I've the removed the big comment about having Wikipedia articles. If we followed it, we would have only three entries. There aren't that many SSH clients out there, we can stand to have red links, so long as at least part of the table is filled in. Maybe restore it once all the current clients have articles, assuming they are all even notable enough. NicM 09:48, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely (naturally, since I added many of the links in question).  If it becomes forbidden for articles to mention things that don't yet have articles, then Special:Wanted pages becomes pointless.  At a given instant, the threshold of notability in the context of Wikipedia may be higher than the threshold of notability for people searching for a SSH client (the absence of a "pssh" article has not detracted from pssh's usefulness to me).  —Fleminra 10:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I actually find it to be a good thing, because it isn't a rule, more an advisory that makes the people adding clients take into account how this isn't just a place to list everything under the sun, and may encourage people to actually put up articles for these clients that they find notable.  Janizary 20:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps a note along the lines of "Please consider the notability of the client before listing here," although that does kind of imply there is some notability requirement. If we want to come up with one, I strongly think it should be applied to the existing entries too. NicM 22:48, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

text: This page contains a link to a missing article for AbsoluteTelnet.  To resolved this, I created an article for AbsoluteTelnet, but it was deleted as spam.  I've recreated it, but it is again flagged for deletion because it is not 'notable'.  Can I not just replace the link here to the 'AbsoluteTelnet' article with a link to my website?  --Bpence 17:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Big notice

message: Why is telnet listed on an ssh comparison anyways?  Should we then also include rlogin support as a box, it's just as relevent to the subject.  I really think it should be dropped.  Janizary 21:04, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a comparison of ssh clients. Some do telnet as well, I think this is probably worth pointing out. Changing it to telnet/rlogin would be good, if any of the clients do rlogin. NicM 22:38, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, SecureCRT does.  If we are going to add listings of random other protocols, they should probably be as seperate columns, not merged ones though.  Janizary 00:49, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't a random other protocol, it is a significant, still often used protocol that performs a similar function and that a number of SSH clients support; I am not suggesting adding an HTTP column and listing "No" all the way down. It is probable to say that those looking for an SSH client will be interested to know that some of the possible choices can do telnet as well. If enough clients do several other protocols, an "Other protocols" column may be best, but most only do SSH and a few telnet. A note about rlogin for SecureCRT may be a good idea, or adjusting the column title to "Telnet/rlogin" is probably appropriate for rlogin's significance (it is very rarely used, unlike telnet). NicM 08:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  While some people do still use telnet, I'd hardly call it significant to ssh users.  I don't use putty myself, so I don't know how well it works, but putty also supports rlogin.  Janizary 04:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some people use both telnet and SSH and an integrated client is a useful thing. I'd expect Comparison of Telnet clients to mention that Putty can handle SSH too, so why wouldn't the reverse be true here? Change the column to "telnet/rlogin" or to "Other protocols," if you like, either is fine by me. NicM 09:48, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  telnet 

message: The name of the SSH Communcations client changed in 2004 to "SSH Tectia Client" (see http://www.ssh.com/products/tectia/client/), it also has a GUI for the MS Windows version. Should the entry simply be updated or is there value in creating a new entry for the new name to retain the history of the old name (which was actually "SSH Secure Shell" not "ssh")? HughNo 13:15, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say just fix the existing entry, this article is only a summary, it doesn't need historical detail. Perhaps consider mentioning the name change in ssh#History (or create SSH Tectia Client). NicM 13:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clients 

message: Ok, the "General" List has 15 clients. The "Platform" List only has 13. The "Technical" List only has 9. I think that either a client is listed in all three, or it should not be listed at all.  Tcmstr134 (talk) 20:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Some Lists don't have all the clients

message: Does Filezilla belong on this list? I'm not sure that it has SSH functionality. Tisane (talk) 11:46, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: SFTP? 194.249.198.32 (talk) 07:22, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filezilla 

message: I'm posting this note regarding my recent addition of dataComet-Secure to this comparison and the possible perception that a conflict of interest may exist here, since I develop and distribute the software, and there seems to be some controversy on the Talk page about whether it's appropriate for a developer to add or maintain entries to this list (e.g., AbsoluteTelnet, which BTW I recognize myself as a notable Windows application, one which definitely belongs on this list... but personally I don't believe ANY particular terminal application is "notable" in the sense which Wikipedia requires for adding a page dedicated to it :->). 
Note first that I've never attempted to add an article on dataComet or dataComet-Secure.
The article is prefaced with the statement that it lists "popular" SSH applications, rather than "notable" applications, which would indicate to the average user that it's (relatively) comprehensive, rather than being restricted to Wikipedia-notable clients.  
All feature listings etc. for dataComet-Secure are labelled correctly, and no modifications were made to listings for other applications.
thanks,
bonze
bonze blayk 16:20, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note re: possible COI 

message: Todo:
* Remove or stub red links
* Complete tables
** Add filezilla and Sun SSH to last three
** Add essh client to last two
** Add dropbear, lsh, and ssh tectia to last one
* Clean external links
--Karnesky (talk) 17:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Kermit can also SSH, both in the proprietary Kermit-95 for Windows version and in the freeware C-Kermit for other systems version.
Perhaps someone could take information from the Kermit pages to add it to the appropriate tables. -- pne (talk) 10:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a comparison of Secure Shell Protocol software, Kermit is about a different protocol entirely. (Just making sure all article concerns are addressed, even if a decade later.) Anton.bersh (talk) 13:15, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kermit 

message: I noticed that Tunelier is not mentioned which is in my opnion at least the most graphically rich SSH client there is for Windows: http://download.cnet.com/Tunnelier/3000-7240_4-10061771.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.132.122.106 (talk) 07:15, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tunnelier SSH 

message: Anzio is another SSH client that appears missing from the list.  www.anzio.com  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timbo151 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Anzio be added? 

message: It's immaterial now, as no clients or publicly-available hardware now supports it, but support for the RDRAND instruction will be a benefit to security. The PuTTY folks are considering it, and I'm sure most clients will, in time. Once Ivy Bridge is out, we should begin charting it. 65.166.89.2 (talk) 14:42, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  RDRAND support 

message: Adding multiple additional columns to the Feature Comparison Table, filling them in with yes for your own product and then stuffing the fields for all other clients with question marks (where you simply haven't bothered to do any research) distorts the comparison and smells strongly of advertising masquerading as content.  Recently, 24 additional columns were added to the feature compaorison table, which served only to highlight one commerical SSH Client above all others.  Many of the columns headers were barely distinguishable and others should have been minor footnotes, or perhaps should have warranted a separate table.  
I have removed these, not least because they made the table completely impractical to read on most computer monitors, but also because there was strong commercial bias in favour of a particular product.  When adding a new column to a features table, please think first whether you're adding information, or just noise.
: - Why not create another table for those new features if the existing table was too wide? Question marks where there to show people that information about a particular feature was missing. Instead of deliberately deleting everything, why not just format/modify information - to improve the page and its contents? Listed items were, after all, revevant items in the SSH Client space.  Captainjackfromgermany (talk) 21:19, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertising masquerading as content 

message: Why can't cyberduck be listed? I use it on a Mac and it's free and it doesn't ask you to know programming languages... direct visual GUI is a plus, seriously.
:Cyberduck is not an SSH client, it is an FTP client, so it is on Comparison of FTP client software. Anton.bersh (talk) 13:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyberduck? 

message: PuttyWincrypt : http://code.google.com/p/puttywincrypt/
I think it have his place in this comparison ?
PuTTYwincrypt is a patched version of PuTTY. PuTTYwincrypt enables the user to use any private key related to a certificate in the user personal certificate store to perform public key ssh authentication.
As long as there exists a certificate in the user personal certificate store that has a corresponding private key it should be possible to use the key to perform a public key ssh authentication.
This enables the use of smart cards in PuTTY and Pageant, as long as the smart card is supported by Windows.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.252.128.61 (talk) 12:20, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no Wikipedia topic for PuttWincrypt; notability is not established.  Take a look at WP:WTAF TEDickey (talk) 09:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  puttywincrypt 

message: I removed references to LittleOrange Multi SSH Client due to a lack of evidence that the program exists. User:Wprimadi is likely the account of the alleged author.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CACLF (talk • contribs) 19:14, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  LittleOrange 

message: I've been using Poderosa for SSH access for years.
http://en.poderosa.org/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/poderosa/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.238.252.23 (talk) 20:17, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poderosa 

message: Add the kitty client to this article. --Johnny Bin (talk) 15:26, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  kitty 

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message: Is JuiceSSH on Android noteworthy enough for inclusion?  If so, can someone add it?  Thanks.  199.168.151.86 (talk) 12:32, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: JuiceSSH does not have its own page, so it probably should not be in these tables yet. See Wikipedia:Write the article first. Anton.bersh (talk) 13:05, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  JuiceSSH 

message: WinSCP is a file transfer software which operates on top of SSH, but is not meant to perform raw SSH actions like actually executing commands and displaying outputs. Does it actually belong here? Anton.bersh (talk) 13:03, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  WinSCP is not actually SSH client 

message: Does someone have time to add MobaXterm? --Faulenzius Seltenda (talk) 09:22, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  MobaXterm 

message: * Specific text to be added or removed: 
** Update Platform table, wolfSSH row, z/OS and AIX column entries, to clarify NO support 
** Update Technical table, wolfSSH row, Proxy client column entry, to clarify NO support
** Update Features table, wolfSSH row, Auto-reconnect column entry, to clarify NO support  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim-Weller-wolfSSL (talk • contribs) 18:55, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead: I have reviewed these proposed changes and suggest that you go ahead and make the proposed changes to the page.  PK650 (talk) 23:56, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made the edits proposed in the request.  Thank-you for your time and attention! Tim-Weller-wolfSSL (talk) 21:22, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to clarify table data for wolfSSH