Talk:Sazerac

message: If you do not have Peychaud's bitters, you cannot make this drink. If it is not available from your local spirits purveyor, you may mail-order it from the Sazerac Company, http://www.sazerac.com/bitters.html
This reads like an advert. Let us see: I can replace pretty much any other component (even
make it with bourbon) and get a variation, but as soon as I use a different brand of
bitters, I cannot make this cocktail? Says who? I understand that this drink is Sazerac's
baby, and it certainly should be reflected in the article. I see no harm in preserving the
link to sazerac.com, as long as it is not in the article body.
In other words, I would like
to shift stuff around, and replace POV "you cannot make this drink" with a more neutral
"according to some sources, you cannot make this drink". melikamp 23:40, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, on smaller pages, ones without debate, or an obviously good addition, I'd say edit first ask questions later.  Ari 17:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. Alanmoss 06:59, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. Almost no bars in New Orleans use Peychaud's; the only one I know of that does is the bar in the Roosevelt hotel. Philgoetz (talk) 16:24, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Peychaud's bitters

message: I have removed much of the content of this article as it is unencylopedic, and violates the standards of WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information point 8.  Specifically, instructions and recipes do not belong in wikipedia, but they do belong in Wikibooks.  I have therefore removed the recipe/instructional content of this article, and posted a link within the article to the wikibooks article on this drink.  The wikibooks article may well need some improvement, it can be edited just as a wikipedia article can be edited.  --Xyzzyplugh 01:54, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going through and removing the recipes from all the cocktails articles, got almost all of them done now, and transwikiing them to Wikibooks.  If the wikibooks article linked to from this article is mispelled or otherwise not as good quality as the content I removed from here, you can edit that and replace much of that text with the text that was in this article.  I would do this myself, but I know nothing of this cocktail and don't know which version is better, which parts of this article to move there and which parts not to, etc.  If you simply want to cut the entire text of the previous version of this article and replace the entire one there, it's doubtful anyone would object.  --Xyzzyplugh 02:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Much of article removed 

message: The Sazerac is probably the oldest cocktail that is still made somewhat resemebling it's original form.  The instructions are "intricate" and unique, and part of the defining character of the drink.  The instructions give a sort of historical insight into very old cocktails.
Philvarner 22:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Much of article rewritten and replaced 

message: The possible ingredients list should remain as:
Cognac, rye whiskey, absinthe, pastis, Peychaud's bitters, and Angostura bitters
The drink maybe be properly made with Peychaud's, but can be made with Angostura.  They are different ingredients and should be listed as such.
I have seen recipes calling for various combinations of these.  The drink is typically made with:
Cognac or rye
absinthe or pastis (pastis is an absinthe substitute)
Peychaud's or Angostura —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Philvarner (talk • contribs) 22:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bitters 

message: Every bar in New Orleans carries Old Overholt Rye to use in their Sazerac cocktails.  While they may have other rye whiskey available, such as Sazerac Rye,  Old Overholt is ubiquitous in New Orleans because it is among the least expensive rye whiskeys on the market.  Bourbon really shouldn't be used for a Sazerac unless one has no rye whiskey available, Bourbon makes it a very different cocktail.  If Bourbon must be substituted, it would be best to use a Bourbon with as high a rye content as possible, such as Bulleit Bourbon.
You will also find Herbsaint, a pastis liqueur which originated in New Orleans in response to absinthe being unavailable in the early 20th century.  It, too, is found everywhere in New Orleans, not just because it is from there, but because it is significantly less expensive than imported pastis liqueurs such as Pernod or Ricard or Henri Bardouin.
As for bitters, yes, the most authentic bitters to use is Peychaud, but if that is unavailable, Angostura bitters or Fee Brothers aromatic bitters, or The Bitter Truth aromatic bitters may be substituted. CrashRiley (talk) 02:30, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are bars in New Orleans that use absinthe by default, but the current article already contains the following sentence (second paragraph), which is clear, accurate, and self-explanatory: "In New Orleans, Herbsaint is most commonly used due to the absence of absinthe in the U.S. market from 1912 until 2007." Additionally, Herbsaint didn't exist until after Prohibition ended (85 years ago), being marketed in an attempt to fill a void created by the unavailability of absinthe. Vapeur (talk) 00:39, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  If you go to New Orleans 

message: How come there is no Wikipedia article for the Sazerac Company? Rees11 (talk) 14:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sazerac Company 

message: The Sazerac cocktail also figures prominently in W.E.B. Griffin's 'A Presidential Agent' series. Jafder (talk) 18:39, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture 

message: The infobox template doc says "If the drink is an IBA Official Cocktail, only the official instructions should be given. Minor edits are acceptable (sometimes even desirable), but only if they do not alter or confuse any of the process of making the drink the IBA way." GA-RT-22 (talk) 00:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not clear to me. The Sixth Circuit ruled in Tomaydo-Tomahdo, LLC v. Vozary that "a recipe’s instructions, as functional directions, are statutorily excluded from copyright protection". I know you said you don't care, but if you were to add something to the template doc it might help avoid this sort of "copyright violation" (if it in fact is a violation) in the future. Some of us do read and depend on Wikipedia documentation. GA-RT-22 (talk) 14:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  IBA prep