Talk:Public image of George W. Bush

message: new poll shows 28% approval Southleft 04:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also upon the five-yr anniversary of the war in iraq, here's a new CNN.com story about a "new low" in approval ratings. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 03:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: graph needs update

message: Ah, so right after I move stuff back into here, I discover that the reason this has barely been touched in two weeks is because it was all copied back into George_W._Bush#Criticism_and_public_perception. I don't know what to do now other than deleting most of the intro (which was never sectioned to begin with) from this article and turning it into an article solely on polling data. Any objections?--Kchase T 05:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Forked and then ignored

message: Both articles should be merged in one. There's really no point in having them separated since they have practically the same content. --Hetfield1987 (Wesborland | James Hetfield) 21:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They have been deliberately split in the past, as people thought the two concepts where to different which resulted in an incoherent article. I suggest we leave it like this, both articles are reasonably sized and well sourced and serve a purpose on their own. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 20:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Both articles serve a separate purpose as daughter articles of George W. Bush. - auburnpilot talk 21:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from Criticism on George W. Bush 

message: Image:ABCNews Poll-Approval Rating-George W Bush.png|President Bush's approval rating from April 2001 to June 2007. Data are from ABCNews Poll.
Image:Newsweek Poll-Approval Rating-George W Bush.png|President Bush's approval rating from February 2001 to July 2007. Data are from Newsweek Poll.
Image:‎Gallup Poll-Approval Rating-George W Bush.png|President Bush's approval rating from February 2001 to July 2007. Data are from Gallup Poll.
I made those  graphs. You can add them to the main article if you want.--Jean-Francois Landry 15:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Approval Rating Graph 

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message: Hello.  Are there any data on his approval now that he's a lame duck?  We only seem to go up to August 2008.  66.75.11.192 (talk) 02:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's final data over in United States Presidential approval rating —EqualRights (talk) 13:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New data since the election? 

message: This article deals mostly with public perception in general. Should it also include scholarly perception? Some information about this can be found in the presidential rankings page. 68.193.130.33 (talk) 04:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scholarly perception 

message: Without discussion, this article got moved to Public image of George W. Bush, with the reason "Per consistency with other articles on American politicians".  First, a move like this requires discussion ahead of time.  Second, each of these articles is somewhat different in scope and intent, and in many cases the previous name was chosen with some thought.  I have undone this move, since this article is largely poll-driven and "perception" thus better conveys what the article is about than "image".  I've undone another one of the renamings as well, because it too compromised an accurate description of the article's content.  Wasted Time R (talk) 12:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article move undone 

message: I realize that the above OR discussion is a bit high level to be practical for this article, so im making this section to discuss specifics of this article and what needs to be removed.  I will be removing some material that i feel is OR for purposes of wp:BRD.  Feel free to readd anything you feel was removed in error, and discuss here.
:From the 'Background' section: 
At the beginning of his first term, Bush was regarded by some as lacking political legitimacy due to his narrow victory in Florida and the attendant controversy surrounding his electoral college victory, which included accusations of vote suppression and tampering. Bush has also been accused of squandering opportunities for uniting Americans across party lines. While routinely criticized by Democrats, Bush has also divided legitimate Republicans, American Hollywood celebrities, and sports and media personalities, many of whom have engaged in heated criticism of Bush.
 
:All of that strikes me as OR and is, at a minimum, unsourced. Bonewah (talk) 16:00, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As discussed above, this article is about what people think about GWB personally, as opposed to his policies, and, because of that, i feel that this line should be removed "A constant point of criticism has been the Bush administration's policies on Iraq, including both its invasion and continued American presence. A poll taken in mid September 2006 indicated that 48 percent of Americans believed the war with Iraq has made the U.S. less safe, while 41 percent believed the war has made the U.S. safer from terrorism.[12] " as it is about the Iraq war (a consequence of GWB's policies) rather than him personally. Bonewah (talk) 15:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  Approval rating certainly belongs in this article.  The prominent reasons for that approval rating are certainly relevant.  What's NOT notable is public opinion of every Bush Administration policy.  E.g. public opinion about his increase in funding to the NSF is not a notable aspect of public perception of him.--Loodog (talk) 16:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are his policies on Iraq any more notable than his policies on the NSF? Bonewah (talk) 16:49, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not.  Public opinion of them is.--Loodog (talk) 17:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR specifics 

message: The whole section 'Country image' is based on editorials rather than opinion polls or some other metric of the public's perception.  I am going to remove it as irrelevant, if anyone wants to restore it, be sure to talk about it here. Bonewah (talk) 13:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the BBC article.--Loodog (talk) 23:20, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, i did, what was i supposed to find there? Bonewah (talk) 15:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country image is based on editorials 

message: I've boldly renamed the article Public image of George W. Bush instead of Public perception of George W. Bush. The name now meshes with Public image of Barack Obama, which is a far more neutral and concrete topic than the public's perception of someone. If there are any serious objections, I will be happy to revert the rename and open it up for wider debate. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 19:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally im in favor of the new name, but you should know that this exact move was done and undone about 2 weeks ago (see the section of this discussion labeled 'Article move undone' 3 sections above). Bonewah (talk) 19:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public perception -> Public image 

message: Why was the Criticism article merged with this one? If this is the new standard ,then no one will mind if I go to the articles on Presidents of other countries and change the criticism section to "Public Image of person x" ? World Views (talk) 14:00, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you will find your answer by reading the earlier discussions on this talk page.  QueenofBattle (talk) 23:02, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism V.S. Public Image 

message: The sentence stating "Perhaps his most famous nonstandard pronunciation is that of "nucular" instead of "nuclear", although he is not the only American president to have done this, and Merriam-Webster Online considers this an acceptable, alternative pronunciation." is misleading. Granted, Merriam-Webster does list the "nucular" pronunciation, but it adds a ÷ symbol to indicate that it is a nonstandard pronunciation. I think the sentence should be edited to read, "...this, and Merriam-Webster lists this as a variant but nonstandard pronunciation of the term," which is more correct and reflective of the source. danielkueh (talk) 00:33, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merriam-Webster reference 

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message: Thank you Mr president from my heart ❤ I'm a Iraqi woman just wanted to say to the world you Mr. President George Bush saved us from the criminal saddam Thank you my hero ❤ Aseelalb (talk) 17:23, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks 

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message: The reference link n.124 : "Krauthammer, Charles (December 5, 2003). "The Delusional Dean". The Washington Post." is dead, brings to a Washington Post 404.
I needed to read this source but it's gone.
I eventually found it but don't know how to modify references in code so I'll let one of you veterans finish the job, thanks :)
Working link for ref 124 is :
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Edit : came back to it much later with more experience and replaced it with the source that works =D  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tetrarque (talk • contribs) 23:45, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link Ref 124 

message: would like to add the text below, if that's ok.
"One columnist wrote: "George W. Bush’s decision to invade Iraq in 2003 was the worst foreign-policy decision ever made by an American president. Saddam Hussein was not involved in 9/11, there was no al-Qaeda presence in Iraq and no weapons of mass destruction. Iraq was the most secular state in the Middle East, and there was no Islamic State — the terrorist threat we face today. " George W. Bush was not a good president. As a former president, he’s been exemplary. Bush has provided a model for anyone leaving the Oval Office. By Jean Edward Smith, July 26, 2016, Washington Post. 
Sm8900 (talk) 15:11, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Im not in love with random opinions, even when they are from major newspapers or somewhat famous columnists. Having said that, 'public image of..' articles tend to be just piles of random opinions anyway, so this one is no worse than anything else.  Maybe if you would, try to summarize the sources you have provided in your own words, rather than just a quote?  Thanks. Bonewah (talk) 18:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: hi. that sounds fine. will do so soon. thanks. Sm8900 (talk) 19:34, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible new text re iraq decisions