Talk:Die Hippie, Die

message: Live 8 was July, this episode aired in March so how could live 8 be the inspiration for the show?
" Live 8, the world wide concert that aimed to eliminate poverty in early 2005, can also be named as an inspiration for this episode. (Like Live 8, the hippy's concert to show the corporations that they don't need them failed to reach its aims)."
*Good point, something like that can be deleted, like I'm about to.
:So Live 8 happened spontaneously in July with no advance publicity that would allow the South Park guys to think "Hey, let's write something that riffs on that upcoming event"? I question your anonymous logic.  Optimus Sledge (talk) 14:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live 8 

message: I suggest we merge this article with Die, Hippie, Die because they are both articles on the exact same episode of South Park. --123fakestreet
:Merged. SilkTork 21:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: isn't it a parody of The Core and not armagedon?
this episode resembles Land of the Dead --66.218.11.8 03:06, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The uniform Cartman wears is definitely from Armageddon right?--Lead holder (talk) 20:36, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The Core vs Armagedon

message: I rewrote the part about the "little Eichmann" phrase by Ward Churchill (which is actually first attributed to John Zerzan).  It was clear somebody just wanted to write a POV piece about Churchill without regard to whether it was relevant to the episode.WallyCuddeford 03:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Churchill excerpt 

message: I think the Gotengo reference is overstretched.  Other than having a big drill at the nose, the Driller used by Cartman does not seem to resemble Gotengo at all.  I think that should be removed. 78.21.254.29 (talk) 02:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gotengo Reference 

message: The cultural references section is chock full of speculation and unverified fancruft. I say delete it all and start over. Lots42 (talk) 03:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed;
* The term 'little Eichmanns', which the hippies often use in the episode, is a reference to the controversy over a Ward Churchill article titled Some People Push Back. In the piece, Churchill referred to the people who worked at the World Trade Center in New York City as "little Eichmanns." Even though the piece was over three years old, it was just being discovered and discussed by the mainstream media shortly before this episode aired. Churchill was a professor at the University of Colorado at Boulder, which is near South Park and is where the show's co-creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone first met.
* The scenes involving the plan constructed by Cartman to use a drill to reach the center of the music festival is a parody on the film style of the Bruckheimer/Bay producer/director team, including The Core and Armageddon.
* When Stan is playing his guitar, he sings the chorus to the song "Signs" by Five Man Electrical Band.
* The drill machine featured in the episode bears strong resemblance to the Gotengo warship from the Japanese movies Atragon, The War in Space, and Godzilla: Final Wars.
** The car has a Darwin fish on it, as well as a Colorado Buffaloes sticker.
* Kyle wears a Che Guevara t-shirt.
* The scene where Cartman warns the City Council of the incoming danger of the hippies is a spoof of The Day After Tomorrow, which South Park parodied more heavily in the episode "Two Days Before the Day After Tomorrow".
*Hippie Jam Fest 2005 refers to the two Woodstock concerts in the 1990s, Woodstock 94, and Woodstock 99.
* The song that Cartman plays is Slayer's "Raining Blood", from their album Reign in Blood.
* One hippie wears a t-shirt that says "Fish," in a logo and style resembling that of the jam band Phish, considered highly popular among jam band fans.  
* When Mayor McDaniels attempts suicide, the pan of the camera is an ode to American Beauty.
Cite these and we can return them to the main article.Alastairward (talk) 13:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

text: How is this information unverified?  It's in the episode itself.  The Ward Churchill stuff is confirmed by clicking the internal links to Churchill and to "Little Eichmanns"; the part about where parker and stone met could certainly stand to be cited, but a simple CN tag is all that is needed there until someone who is more familiar with this stuff finds the cite.  There is some speculation in the rest but most of it is easily verified in the episode itself, like what t shirt someone is wearing, or what stickers are on the car.  csloat (talk) 13:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that you mention it, why should those parts of the story you mentioned be recounted at all? Trivia (as I've said before) in a lot of cases is simply a very minor plot point expanded beyond what is necessary. If you think South Park is all about a lot of reference gags, you'll find Parker and Stone at your throats Alastairward (talk) 14:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't put words in my mouth, it's disconcerting.  And what you say is demonstrably false; Parker and Stone would readily admit that much of their work references popular culture. csloat (talk) 19:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong, wrong, wrong. Nobody put words in your mouth. What I said is demonstrably correct from the mouths of Parker and Stone themselves. As I said (if you actually took the time to read it thoroughly), South Park is not all about reference gags, they had a go at the makers of Family Guy for doing such a thing, devoting an entire story to it! You should be able to grasp a subject by reading an article on it without having studied that subject beforehand. Simply saying "it's in the episode" is horribly lazy. Alastairward (talk) 20:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no need for insults. South Park does have cultural references, there's no need to argue about that. They did a whole episode parodying the movie 'Dawn of the Dead'. Whether the refs are noteable for the article is another barrel of monkeys. Lots42 (talk) 21:56, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cult Refs 

message: Am I the only one to have noticed that the drilling machine in the episode is terribly similar to the one in Sonic the Hedgehog videogame?
:Probably not, but without a source it's pointless OR trivia. Indeed even with a reliable secondary source, it may still be useless trivia but at least it may not be OR Nil Einne (talk) 07:44, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drilling machine