Talk:Remutaka Range

message: *Are the Orongoronga's part of this mountain chain?Book M 10:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: On May 31st, 2018, I moved the page from "Rimutaka Range" to "Remutaka Range", to reflect the recent change in official name.  On June 25th, however, User:Capitals00 moved it back, citing WP:COMMONNAME.  While WP:COMMONNAME is certainly an appropriate policy to follow, I'm not sure how it should be applied here.  Rimutaka/Remutaka Range is a geographic feature, not a town; there are few people living there who might have a vested interest in the old name.  Similarly (not being a town) there are few businesses that use the name "Rimutaka", and apparently most of the signs there that used the name "Rimutaka" have now been changed to "Remutaka".  Also, there are no non-English-alphabet characters (such as macrons) involved in the change in name, so WP:ENGLISH is not an issue (beyond WP:COMMONNAME).
At some point, "Remutaka Range" is likely to become more 'common' than the old name "Rimutaka Range".  If that's not the case now, then when?
Ross Finlayson (talk) 14:50, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This doesn't really address my question.  There's no dispute that "Remutaka Range" is now the 'official name', according to the NZ Gazetteer.  However, Wikipedia considers 'official names' to be only a secondary consideration when deciding what a page's title should be; see WP:OFFICIAL.  More important is the common name in English; i.e., WP:COMMONNAME.  The question is: Is "Remutaka Range" now considered to also be the common name for the range?  If not, then when (and under what criteria) is this likely to happen? Ross Finlayson (talk) 18:10, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering Rimutaka or Remutaka are not English names, we can't really answer that on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME. I'll ping some users I know who may be able to clarify this more  . Ajf773 (talk) 20:54, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: "we can't really answer that on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME."  Huh?  The whole point of WP:COMMONNAME is to consider how the name commonly appears in English-language text (as this is a policy for the English-language Wikipedia).  The name's language of origin is irrelevant. Ross Finlayson (talk) 23:00, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's controversial (and if somebody reverts a move then it is), the only way to resolve it is to go through a formal move request. Schwede66 20:58, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Schwede66 Thanks for the clarification.  I don't think I feel strongly enough about this to go through the trouble of making a 'formal move request' myself - but if others do, then by all means go ahead.  It would be really useful, though, to hear from @User:Capitals00 to find out why he was so adamant about reverting the original move... Ross Finlayson (talk) 23:00, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Living in the Wairarapa, I can say the usage is now definitely more in favour of Remutaka for the range itself - the NZTA switched all the signage on SH 2 in April/May to Remutaka (I went across to Wellington earlier this month and they've definitely changed), and the local news outlets now use Remutaka (). However as in Whanganui/Wanganui, it's up to individuals and businesses if and when the adopt the new spelling. From what I've read (), the Rimutaka electorate is due to switch to Remutaka at the boundary review next year, but Rimutaka Prison will keep the old spelling for the foreseeable future. So IMHO, now may be the ideal time to move the article for the range. Lcmortensen (mailbox) 00:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  When is the move to "Remutaka Range" appropriate?