Talk:Clementi, Singapore

message: Some minor corrections have been done to the text and in addition, set the name for Clementi in Malay as "Clementi" as it is a name. Also, "Yusof Ishak Secondary School" has been removed since the school has since moved to Bukit Batok. Added though are National University of Singapore, NUS High School and the 3 Japanese schools. Also added information about a temporary interchange. Reference to "Commonwealth Ave" has been changed to "Commonwealth Ave West". Please take note that the previous reference to "Commonwealth Ave" is to a foreign street of the same name. --fauzi 20:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There was actually a pending project for Singapore places, in which we needed to diffrentiate between a general place name and that of a specific new town. But we have yet to seriously embark on it, hence the half-hearted collection of similar-sounding articles. I do hope you may also contribute to this effort if you can? It will require quite alot of research I suppose, since it is usually not easy to find data on general place names.--Huaiwei 04:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: Instead of reverting, please discuss here. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 16:17, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you please cite your sources here showing that it was named after Cecil Clementi and not Cecil Clementi Smith? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 16:19, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: According to historical sources in 1947, Clementi was named after Sir Cecil Clementi who passed away earlier in the same year. For more details, please refer to my edits which have been reverted just now. Feel free to discuss. --Clithering (talk) 16:20, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Just saw. Let me have a look. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 16:27, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

text: Besides, Sir Cecil Clementi was rendered officially as "金文泰" in Chinese.  A search in NewspaperSG suggests that the name "金文泰" first appeared in 1925, the year when Sir Cecil Clementi was appointed Governor of Hong Kong.  It is highly unlikely that people back then would use "金文泰" to refer to Sir Cecil Clementi Smith.  Lastly, in my view, if the area was named after Sir Cecil Clementi Smith, it should have been known as "Smith" instead of "Clementi" according to general naming convention. --Clithering (talk) 16:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah sorry, unfortunately I am not proficient in Chinese. However, there have been secondary sources which say that it is named after Cecil Clementi Smith. Brenda Yeoh's book, recent Straits Times report. Let me list down some sources below. If there are conflicting sources, both may need to be mentioned. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 16:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears that all the contemporary secondary sources, including the entry in Singapore Infopedia and the sources you have cited, do not provide historical evidence to substantiate their claim. I doubt if the contemporary sources are citing each other. In view of the above, it is highly inadvisable to conclude Sir Cecil Clementi Smith as the one after whom Clementi was named.--Clithering (talk) 16:57, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I understand and I also suspect that they are quoting each other without citing. I will look more into this. However, to include the fact that it could also have been named after "Sir Cecil Clementi", we will need some secondary sources. Let me try looking up Dunlop's Street Name of Singapore. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 20:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

text: I get your point. I have seen a similar problem before where most sources have reprinted something wrong. But unfortunately, since we rely on secondary sources and with the policy of WP:NOR, it would be hard to conclusively state that the road was named after Sir Cecil Clementi. Even if we state that the etymology is disputed, at least one secondary source needs to be found which says that the naming is disputed. I can try looking for such a source though. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:26, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you for your reply. I remember when Sir David Clementi, Sir Cecil Clementi's grandson, visited Singapore late last year, I read a commentary which shared my views in a Singapore's Chinese newspaper website. However, I can no longer find that commentary now and I do not remember the name of the newspaper. Perhaps you could conduct a search. Besides, we may be able to set the record straight if we have access to some sort of primary source, such as the Annual Report of the Rural Board for 1947 or the notes of that particular meeting of the Rural Board. I am looking forward to your reply on your search for Dunlop's book too. --Clithering (talk) 13:53, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

text:  Thank you for your untiring efforts in obtaining Dunlop's book and I entirely agree with your edits (with a minor exception that I replace "generally accepted" with "generally suggested"). Feel free to let me know if I can offer any assistance.  --Clithering (talk) 15:51, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clementi etymology dispute 

message: * Singapore Infopedia
* Straits Times 13 Oct 2015, (and related)
* Savage, Yeoh
* Straits Times 3 June 1989
:::::It appears that all the contemporary secondary sources, including the entry in Singapore Infopedia and the sources you have cited, do not provide historical evidence to substantiate their claim. I doubt if the contemporary sources are citing each other. In view of the above, it is highly inadvisable to conclude Sir Cecil Clementi Smith as the one after whom Clementi was named.--Clithering (talk) 16:57, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I understand and I also suspect that they are quoting each other without citing. I will look more into this. However, to include the fact that it could also have been named after "Sir Cecil Clementi", we will need some secondary sources. Let me try looking up Dunlop's Street Name of Singapore. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 20:03, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

text: I get your point. I have seen a similar problem before where most sources have reprinted something wrong. But unfortunately, since we rely on secondary sources and with the policy of WP:NOR, it would be hard to conclusively state that the road was named after Sir Cecil Clementi. Even if we state that the etymology is disputed, at least one secondary source needs to be found which says that the naming is disputed. I can try looking for such a source though. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:26, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you for your reply. I remember when Sir David Clementi, Sir Cecil Clementi's grandson, visited Singapore late last year, I read a commentary which shared my views in a Singapore's Chinese newspaper website. However, I can no longer find that commentary now and I do not remember the name of the newspaper. Perhaps you could conduct a search. Besides, we may be able to set the record straight if we have access to some sort of primary source, such as the Annual Report of the Rural Board for 1947 or the notes of that particular meeting of the Rural Board. I am looking forward to your reply on your search for Dunlop's book too. --Clithering (talk) 13:53, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

text:  Thank you for your untiring efforts in obtaining Dunlop's book and I entirely agree with your edits (with a minor exception that I replace "generally accepted" with "generally suggested"). Feel free to let me know if I can offer any assistance.  --Clithering (talk) 15:51, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: Hi all. I have updated the 'Recreation' section to mention the closure and demolition of West Coast Recreation Centre. I have also added details about the West Coast Recreation Centre when it was operating, such as mentioning iconic attractions that it used to house. 
I think that these details are important, as the West Coast Recreation Centre, and the attractions it housed, were very popular during its time. Many people do reminisce the time spent there, and some people may not even be aware that it has ceased operations, so cataloguing the history of the building and its attractions can be informative to those who were unaware, and serve as valuable information to those who had frequented it in the past. 
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