Talk:Symphonic poem

message: Can anyone tell me who wrote this article?  I'm looking for a knowedgable expert on symphonic poems. Thanks.  Robgee9 18:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Webber 

message: The article for concert overture is redirected to the symphonic poem.  I do not think these are synonymous with each other.
:Then why not contribute a paragraph here explaining how the concert overture evolved into a single-movement atmospheric piece for the concert hall in the hands of Liszt and was renamed by him  "symphonic poem"? --Wetman 03:31, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are not synonymous with each other and probably should not share an article. I'm not expert enough to write an article on it, but the main difference is that Concert Overtures have a strong musical organization, and poems are much more free with their structure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.210.39.37 (talk) 17:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Just a minor hint: Most commonly, Franz Liszt is regarded as "inventor" of the genre of the "Symphonic Poem". Several of his "Symphonic Poems", for example "Tasso", "Les Preludes", "Orpheus" and "Prometheus" were actually composed as overtures. I am also remembering R. Wagner, who in a letter to Liszt called his own Tannhäuser-Overture "Symphonic Poem".80.144.127.43 (talk) 13:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concert Overture 

message: Actually, I was thinking of borrowing this skeleton from the New Grove:
# Intro paragraphs
# Origins
# Liszt
# The Czech lands (Smetana, Dvorak, etc.)
# Russia
# France
# Germany
# Other countries
# Bibliography
# External links (if any)
# References
I'm open to suggestions. This means a lot of effort expanding the article but the work itself seems pretty strightforward and would allow expansion by others. Jonyungk (talk) 04:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested structure?

message: ...is the opening sentence. It reads:
:"A symphonic poem or tone poem is a piece of orchestral music in one movement in which some extramusical program provides a narrative or illustrative element".
People may care to compare this with the opening sentence in the New Grove Second Edition:
:"Symphonic poem: An orchestral form in which a poem or programme provides a narrative or illustrative basis."
See? The New Grove one makes sense; the wikipedia one is senseless (an 'element'? What the hell is an 'element'?).
Someone, in other words, merely lifted the first sentence from the New Grove without attribution -- and in trying to disguise their theft, turned the stolen object into meaningless, senseless rubbish...  Pfistermeister (talk) 20:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: For the tone deaf, apparently, the narrative element might be the whole thing. "Extramusical" is the element that makes the Wikipedia sentence the winner!--Wetman (talk) 02:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Utterly ridiculous statement. For one thing, there's no way a 'programme' could be anything other than 'extramusical'. The plagiarised, inept wikipedia version is therefore tautological as well as senseless.  Pfistermeister (talk) 07:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

text: A symphonic poem or tone poem is a piece of orchestral music in one principal self-contained section called a movement in which a program from a poem, a story or novel, a painting, or another source is illustrated or evoked. 
It's a little clumsy but at least it spells out what a symphonic poem is and what it is supposed to do for someone who may not know what "extramusical", "programmatic" or a "movement" is. Jonyungk (talk) 20:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Among this article's inadequacies... 

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