Talk:Giovanni Lonfernini

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Weak support. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Qualifier between bracketing parentheses reads in part Years of birth and death should not be used in a page title to distinguish between people of the same name. However I have no better suggestion, and agree that the current disambiguator is not good. Very interested in other ideas. Andrewa (talk) 12:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
From the survey above:
the proposed title is unwieldy and against policy/guidelines
The problem is that the guidelines don't suggest an alternative. Andrewa (talk) 21:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not just move him to Giovanni Lonfernini, and if an article about the older one is ever created, it can go under Giovanni Lonfernini (senior)? +Hexagon1 (t) 04:51, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In some cultures (junior) would suggest a father/son relationship. Can't we do better? Andrewa (talk) 12:07, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry guys, i just realise that the proposed name does not obey the naming convention right after i've submitted the proposal. How about something like Giovanni Lonfernini (2003 Captain Regent) ? --supernorton 01:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good, but do it for the older one. When a user comes looking for Giovanni Lonfernini, he's likely to be looking for this one, so this one should be primary. +Hexagon1 (t) 06:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What's your reasoning here? There's no indication in the article or in List of Captains Regent of San Marino as to whether this person or the one who became Captain Regent in October 1941 is the more notable. Andrewa (talk) 18:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The newer one is .. newer. :) He's more likely to be sought after as a contemporary politician, than a historical politician. +Hexagon1 (t) 05:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree. As long as there's only one article on wikipedia there's no need for any disambiguator. If an article on the older captain is ever written, one or both can be disambiguated (YEAR Captain Regent). (An alternative is to mention in this article that there was once another Captain Regent of the same name.) Station1 (talk) 23:20, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: The problem now is that there are redlinks from two other articles to Giovanni Lonfernini (I), so assuming that in the fullness of time an article is created on the other Giovanni Lonfernini, it will probably be created under this name, which we have just rejected as unsatisfactory.
I think we need a more robust solution. The move is part of it, but it's not the whole answer. Andrewa (talk) 09:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: One possibility is to create a stub for Giovanni Lonfernini (1934 Captain Regent) and change the  two links to point there. Another is to add something similar to the second paragraph at Giuliano Gozi to this article and point the links here. Station1 (talk) 17:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Or both. I've done that, and some other tidying up as well. Andrewa (talk) 21:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation