Talk:Lemkos

message: The article already reveals a split and controversy over the local identity of Lemko vis a vis the older regional and national name, Ruthenian and its variants; and the newer replacement term for Ruthenian/Rus': Ukrainian/Ukraine.  What's the point to repeating it--or, especially, repeating certain portions of it?
It is patently false to assert that the Lemki "never participated in Ukrainian movement."  The geography of the Lemkos placed them at the end of an historical process.  The choice of the ancient name "Ukrainian" as the primary proper first name for the people of Rus'(Ruthenians)was made at the ancient capital of Kyiv in the mid-1800s, from where it spread rather rapidly over the Russian-governed areas of Rus'.  It then became dominant in the Ukrainian portion of Austria (Eastern Galicia) only around 1900, and in the Ukrainian portion of Hungary only around thirty years later--in both cases through an historical process of discussion and controversy. Lastly, the controversy became well-developed in Lemko-land only well into the 20th century.  The outcome of this process is not lobbied for in the present article, and it shouldn't be.
The ultimate question is, "What is a Lemko relative to the surrounding nation states of Poland, Slovakia and Ukraine?"  They either belong to one of these nations/nationalities, either integrally or as a regional variant, or form a nation of their own.
The UPA was not a species of ape, but an insurgent army fighting for independence.  Mentioning military colloboration with ethnic neighbors is beyond the scope of this small, NPOV article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Genyo (talk • contribs) .  March 24, 2004
:is it because as you say the lemko were at the end of the historical process of the adoption of the term "ukraine" or is it because the term "ukraine" meaning "frontier" in slavic had no relevance to the rusyns living in the northern carpathians, surrounded as they were by fellow slavs, whereas to the occupants of the middle dnepr river, facing towards the khanate of the crimea (turko-mongol, and often mounting destructive raids) it was very relevant? of course in early medieval times kyiv was the capital of "rus", the kingdom which united most of the eastern slavs until defeated by the mongols. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.8 (talk • contribs) . February 5, 2005
::Kost Levytsky was the founder of the Ukrainian National Democratic movement and the leader of the State Representative Body of the Ukrainian government.  As a prosecutor for the Austro-Hungarian Empire, he played a role in the sentencing to death of Ukrainian Russophiles.  As a member of the ruling elite of Austrian Galicia, Kost Levytsky sent Lemkos to imprisonment in Talerhof, but only later identified himself as a Ukrainian nationalist.  For this reason, Lemkos often do not consider themselves to be Ukrainians. Is it any wonder that the people he sentenced to death or imprisonment and their children did not join his movement? Pustelnik (talk) 21:01, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lemko history and identity

message: Why does Rusniaki redirect here?  It should be explict toward the top of the article, for someone who actually knows something about this. --1pezguy 05:08, Jul 31, 2004 (UTC)
: It looks like another name for them in one of the related languages, but I can't tell exactly which. It might also be another name for the Rusyns in general (notice the similarity, probably similar etymology). That page lists "Russniaks" as a synonym. --Shallot 11:24, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I have addressed it in the openning paragraph.  Historically, Rusnak was always used and Lemko was never used at all.  Today, Lemko is used nearly to the exclusion of all other names, partiuclarly among the Lemkos of Poland. 75.67.40.227 22:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rusniaki 

message: Is Lemko a dialect of Rusyn? Is Lemko a subgroup of Rusyn? This is very perplexing. If Lemko is considered a dialect of Ukrainian, then what is the relationship with Rusyn. --Bandurist 11:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: не настільки володію англ., того напишу укр., можливо ви її розумієте. 
Мені дивно наскільки серйозно переоцінюється відмінність сх.-слов від решти. Які теорії про  "те саме походження" ви маєте на увазі? Лемки суть автохтони на своїй землі і риси їхньої мови які споріднюють їх з рештою сусідів цілком природньо виглядають. Вони суть на самому заході українського діалектного континууму, це лінгвістично доведено і немає ніякої потреби це якось вязати з політичними рухами. Між так званими зах і сх словянами немає лінгвістично такої великої різниці а головне немає розриву, щоб робити ці безглзді розмежування і ліпити штучні теорії про спільне походження росіян українців і білорусів, яке разом з тим окреме від поляків словаків тощо. Бо це суперечить істині, і на прикладі лемків це дуже добре відчувається: їхня мова найближча до української, але від російської вона значно дальша ніж від польської чи словацької , і це природньо. Просто ніколи не існувало ніякої єдиної східнословянської мови,  не було ніякого спільного походження. Було словянське море, в якому зпоміж інших існував український (чи називайте як вам подобається) континуум  зі своїм набором особливостей. Лемкам не треба було нізвідкись "спільно походити", вони опинились на межі цього континууму розділяючи з ним багато спільного, але разом з тим будучи межовим розділяючи спільні риси з іншими сусідами. Невже і справді хтось вірить шо 1000 років тому мова предків лемків була однаковою з мовою словян Оки, і значно відрізнялась від предків словаків що жило в сотні км по сусідству? Те саме можна сказати й про мову галичан і волинян. І ще, те що лемківські землі врізаються клином на захід, скоріше свідчення консервації в горах лгше ізолюватися від полнізації, скоріш за все раніше ареал укр мовних ознак був західніше не тільки в горах але й північніше на рівнині, та тільки швидше полонізувався. І ополячені Холмщина з Підляшшям підтверджують цю думку
77.52.154.117 (talk) 21:48, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

message: I deleted the whole thing the first time, but the second time only deleted names who either 1) did not have any relation to lemkos or rusyns or 2) did not have pages
Lists like these are usually deleted on wikipedia from what I've seen, mostly because they are ambiguous in defining "famous" or "important".
Anyway, the rest left....most are cited as being Rusyn (like andy warhol) but why are they listed on a lemko page?? what's the relation? or is this just guesswork?
--Lvivske (talk) 20:15, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous "Lemkos" 

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