Talk:Arne Carlson

message: A.C. quote on TV show as "Ann Carlson": "I have trouble raising money no matter what sex I am."
:Unsigned by User:Rj at 04:43 & 04:50, 25 April 2004.
Actually ont he photo in the front page, he is wearing a "University of Minnesota" jacket. It is a "M" not a "U"
:Unsigned by 68.106.129.234 at 17:01, 26 June 2005.
*The old language is not as confused as it looks: "the U" is short for "the U of M" or "the U of Minnesota", at least orally, so "U letter jacket" would probably usually be understood locally without effort as "jacket bearing the letter 'M' ".  I've reworded to "wearing a letter jacket for the school", which will travel better, at least unless we include a graphic corresponding to the portrait (at which time more complexity may be justified). --Jerzy•t 08:45, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He served in office as an Independent-Republican
since 
# (even tho in US politics Nomination is a party-based process, re virtually  all serious candidates in  most local races, virtually all state ones, and all Federal ones), once elected, the party affiliation of an official has no legal meaning and only informal defacto status, and 
# lk'g "Independent-Republican" to Republican is unjustified and probably misleading.
No doubt something encyclopedic could be said about how he ran, but in the US we should never say public officials serve as adherants of a party.
--Jerzy•t 08:45, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The name of the political party with whom Arne Carlson was affiliated was the Independent-Republican Party. Non-natives of Minnesota sometimes not understanding the differing party names (The Democratic Party in Minnesota is known as the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party) are confused and make incorrect edits to remove "errors" in the mention of party names. He was not a political independent at the time of his service as governor, rather he was a member of the Independent-Republican Party and the redirect to Republican Party of Minnesota is therefore not misleading or incorrect. EdwinHJ | Talk 16:13, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
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message: _ _ The template-generated box is about the subject of the bio as a governor, not in terms of the whole bio. I reverted a note in the box abt his becoming indpt later; what he became later (or was before, and arguably what he became in ofc but never ran under) is irrelevant, and confuses what the box means.  
_ _ That drew my attention to his three wives: shouldn't  they be kept in the body of the article, except for those who overlapped with his tenure? --Jerzy•t 19:37, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Governor template 

message: Carlson distinguished himself in office as a friend of education in the state, continuing his predecessor's emphasis on a skilled and educated work force for the state of Minnesota. He is remembered as a champion of bipartisanship.
I found this in the article.  None of it was referenced and it runs counter to what I remember from the 90s (especially the reference to "a friend of education in the state").  If anyone can find neutral (or at least justifiable) sources that confirm these statements, they could go back in, but without cites I think they should stay out. 146.151.45.57 (talk) 05:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncited Material

message: I removed this sentence from the introduction: "Carlson was banned from the Republican Party of Minnesota for two years in 2010 after endorsing Independence Party candidate Tom Horner for governor."  This information is still further down in the article.  To be raise it to the level of being in the introduction lifts its importance beyond what it deserves and takes it out of context -- his very strained relationship with party activists (e.g. he never received the Party's endorsement at any State Convention, and he lost his first gubernatorial primary handily).  However adding that context requires several sentences making it too long for the intro.  --Bruce Hall (talk) 03:58, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree completely.  Arne Carlson is often cited by left-leaning activists as being the Republican that supports "bi-partisan" legislation and initiatitives.  It therefore is important to note that Carlson is not a "Republican" in good standing.  He is the only governor in the history of the state to have been banned from his state part, and the reason is that the party decided that his actions ran counter to the stated goals of the party.  Not only is this notable as per WP:LEAD it is necessary to provide quick context for many other claims made that cite Carlson.  Please re-add.  If we cannot come to agreement on this I suggest a request for comment SeanNovack (talk) 14:03, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Arne Carlson is one of a number of moderate Republican officials in Minnesota who were often at odds with the party leadership as it moved to the right. See also Governor Elmer Anderson and Senator Dave Durenberger, for example. Jonathunder (talk) 17:30, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If we are staying on topic and talking about the 2010 Governor's election issues than I think you are referring to former Governor Al Quie, as Anderson died back in '98.  Nevertheless, I stand corrected: There were two former Republican governors that were banned by their party - for the same incident no less.  My point still stands. SeanNovack (talk) 20:29, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Location of relationship with party officials

message: He served as governor for two terms and yet there is no information about what he did as Governor, or even as State Auditor.  There is enough info about his campaigns but what about his governing?--Bruce Hall (talk) 03:58, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The work of a Minnesota state auditor generally gets little notice and almost never makes headlines. As governor, though, he did a lot that should be fleshed out, I agree. Jonathunder (talk) 17:43, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing information about his accomplishments as governor

message: Given that the 1990 especially but also the 1994 primaries were important -- he lost the first and had a Republican Party-endorsed opponent in the second despite being a sitting governor -- there should be information about race in the Electoral history section. Can anyone add that?--Bruce Hall (talk) 04:02, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Primary Election information should be added to Electoral history

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