Talk:Wii/Archive 26

message: Hi, I also had a problem with my Wii, and I found a pretty good Tech Support site for Consumer Electronics that have a section for the Wii Console I believe it will be a good idea to add it to the external links. I have no permission to edit this thread so I would appreciate if someone will add it for me. Here is the page for the Wii Technical Support & Troubleshooting page. Let me know what you think. JerryGold 11:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a Tech Support site for Wii 

message: The following references are invalid:
* #6 http://www.gamecriticsawards.com/win.html is 404.
* #8 http://www.consolewatcher.com/2006/05/nintedo-revolution-renamed-to-nintendo-wii/ is 404.
This is not a good reflection of a featured article, and is just the first two links that I checked. I highly expect there are others. Bilge [TC] 22:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They must have went dead recently because all the refs worked when it became a featured article back in April. TJ Spyke 22:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invalid references 

message: If game titles are supposed to be written in italics, shouldn't channel names like the "Everybody Votes Channel" and "Internet Channel" be italicized too? It's not like they are menu features like the the "Message Board" or "Address Book"-- they're their own separate channels. After all, "Wii channels" are all just software applications. Since "Internet Channel" is merely the web browsing software's title, shouldn't it be italicized the same way as a Virtual Console game's title would?
--24.154.105.181 15:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They can still be considered extensions of the WiiConnect24 service, rather than stand-alone software. Just64helpin 15:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd hardly call them just extensions of WiiConnect24, they're definitely their own separate programs that just use WiiConnect24. They're no more extensions than games like Elebits that use it. Wii Channels are software, and software titles should be italicized. Besides, what about the channels that aren't online enabled? They certainly aren't extensions of it. --75.24.29.211 14:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The channels are part of the Wii Menu. Channels in general are not capitalized. BTW, please use the "Edit summary" form to describe your changes, e.g. "reply". Just64helpin 14:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because they're on the Wii Menu doesn't mean they're part of the Wii Menu. Things like "Wii Settings" and the bulletin messages are part of the menu, channels are merely on the Wii Menu. Classifying them as part of the Wii Menu is like calling the applications on your Windows Desktop as part of your Desktop-- they're separate programs that are just located on the Desktop, not part of the Desktop itself. Channels are just what the Wii's operating system calls its software, and all software have titles-- and all titles should be in italics.--75.24.29.211 15:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Italicization of channel names

message: This article now has more revisions than the Adolf Hitler page, so (on top of being a featured article) I'd just like to congratulate you all and keep up the good work ^_^ At this pace the Wii article will have more revisions than the Jesus page! JayKeaton 17:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Important page

message: It says the storage is expandable via an SD card (up to 2 GB). Is this a hardware limitation or is this simply because the Wii-branded SD cards max out at 2 GB? Third party SD cards work in the Wii just as well as the branded ones, so if there is no hardware limitation, theoretically you could pop a 4GB+ card in and it should still work. Does anyone know where to verify this info so it can be appropriately updated? Danny 22:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We'll have to wait for someone better acquainted with the precise limitations to be certain, but I really do believe it's a 2 gig limitation. The wii isn't the first place I've seen this limit stated. Of course, considering the fact that the SD slot is almost useless, it's somewhat of a moot point anyways. :) Bladestorm 22:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See SDHC --Laugh! 13:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume you meant this. Just64helpin 13:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alas, the Wii is not compatable with SDHC, so the largest memory size will always be 2 gb. ffm ✎talk 14:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: um, ok, Bladestorm, the SD slot is NOT useless, it's capible of transferring photos to the Wii, and holding game data and virtual console/wii channels when more become available. C. Pineda 01:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SD Card up to 2 GB? 

message: The article states that up to four Remotes can be connected, but it doesn't have any details on Remotes being synced to the console. Say your friend has four Remotes and you bring yours over to transfer Miis or something, can you sync a fifth Remote but just have four connected at any one time? Unless I missed it, this doesn't seem to be addressed in the article. Danny 22:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm not sure it's in the article or not, but from my experience (both me and my roommate have Wii's), it seems that more than four controllers can be synced at a time, you just can't use more than that at once. But I never did any formal testing, but now that you mention it, I should check into that. Useight 20:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii Remote limits 

message: Someone has placed a tag for possible merge with this article (without starting a discussion themselves). What do people say to a merger?
*Oppose it is a controller much like the Wii Remote which has its own article and will expand as more information comes available. The Wii article is also very long as it is. SenorKristobbal 00:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wii Balance Board]] 

message: So far, it's only been reported by Kotaku, which isn't generally the most reliable of sources (especially when it comes to reporting anonymous, insider, or second-hand information), but I can't imagine misreporting a quotation from a direct interview. Thoughts? Dancter 01:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What interview are you talking about? Do you have a source? Also, if it was true then i'm sure other more reliable sites would mention it since that would be big news. Lrrr IV 01:44, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is why I hadn't added it. I thought it'd be worth mentioning, just to give a heads-up. http://kotaku.com/gaming/giant-reggie-face/why-xbox-360-vids-suck-277556.php Dancter 01:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, all that quote says is that the Wii won't have downloadable video content (like how the Xbox Marketplace allows you to download movies and TV shows). I don't even see any mention of the DVD enabled Wii. Lrrr IV 01:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless I'm getting a cached version that has since been modified, the information should be further down the article, right before the "read more" links. Dancter 02:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would wait for a reliable source to say something before thinking about adding this to the article. Leebo T/C 02:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Want a reliable source? Nintendo Power stated a LONG time ago, that the Wii is going to have an attachable DVD player (via USB) that will be sold for about $20 USD. C. Pineda 01:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That information is out of date. Nintendo revealed ten months ago that it scrapped that plan. Dancter 02:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, I do admit I read that over a year ago, but I did not know they scraped it, well thanks Dancter for giving me that information. C. Pineda 01:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article still has a setence or two about the DVD player features, so is that entirely not true at this point?  Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't bet on Nintendo releasing a DVD-playing Wii in the US at least. They haven't even released different-colored Wiis yet! It could end up being something like the Panasonic Q was to the Nintendo GameCube, only released in Japan. Nintenboy01 01:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No DVD Wii in North America?

message: "Nintendo states that its console targets a broader demographic than that of Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3,[4] but it competes with both as part of the seventh generation of gaming systems."
I have no problem with the sentence as a whole; however, using the word "but" implies a negative conotation. Wikipedia is meant to be a well-written, unbias resource when informational. Although it is not a problem to question the status as a seventh generation gaming system due to its lack of graphics, the introduction is not the place to do it.  According to Wikipedia, articles are to be "well written, comprehensive, factually accurate, neutral and stable."  The definition of "but" is as follows:
1. on the contrary; yet: My brother went, but I did not.  
2. except; save: She was so overcome with grief she could do nothing but weep.  
3. unless; if not; except that (fol. by a clause, often with that expressed): Nothing would do but that I should come in.  
4. without the circumstance that: It never rains but it pours.  
5. otherwise than: There is no hope but by prayer.  
6. that (used esp. after doubt, deny, etc., with a negative): I don't doubt but he will do it.  
7. who not; that not: No leaders worthy of the name ever existed but they were optimists.  
8. (used as an intensifier to introduce an exclamatory expression): But she's beautiful!  
9. Informal. than: It no sooner started raining but it stopped.  
I have italicized the only definition that can possibly fit the definition of "but" in this instance.  There is no need for it to be defined as "on the contrary" because contrary is defined as "opposite in nature and character."  In which case, the sentence does not make sense at all because the first half does NOT deserving of being a seventh generation of gaming system, instead it simply states that it targets a "broader demographic."  As such, the sentence deserves the word "and" which is defined as follows:
1. (used to connect grammatically coordinate words, phrases, or clauses) along or together with; as well as; in addition to; besides; also; moreover: pens and pencils.  
2. added to; plus: 2 and 2 are 4.  
3. then: He read for an hour and went to bed.  
4. also, at the same time: to sleep and dream. 
5. then again; repeatedly: He coughed and coughed.  
6. (used to imply different qualities in things having the same name): There are bargains and bargains, so watch out.  
7. (used to introduce a sentence, implying continuation) also; then: And then it happened.  
8. Informal. to (used between two finite verbs): Try and do it. Call and see if she's home yet.  
9. (used to introduce a consequence or conditional result): He felt sick and decided to lie down for a while. Say one more word about it and I'll scream.  
10. but; on the contrary: He tried to run five miles and couldn't. They said they were about to leave and then stayed for two more hours.  
11. (used to connect alternatives): He felt that he was being forced to choose between his career and his family.  
12. (used to introduce a comment on the preceding clause): They don't like each other—and with good reason.  
13. Archaic. if: and you please. Compare an2.  
–noun 14. an added condition, stipulation, detail, or particular: He accepted the job, no ands or buts about it.  
I have italicized the definition in which "and" is filling in this instance. In my honest opinion, the two sentences don't deserve to be linked at all, instead they deserve to become seperate sentences entirely since the two points made are unrelated; however, in the interest of maintaining the sentence as close to its original form as possible "and" is the proper term to use in the sentence.  
As such the sentence should read as follows: "Nintendo states that its console targets a broader demographic than that of Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3,[4] and it competes with both as part of the seventh generation of gaming systems." Cadwal 04:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I don't think the first part needs to be in there at all. I think the only part of the statement that should be conveyed in the lead is that the Wii is in the same console cycle as the 360 and PS3. The competition vs. differentiation issue has POV implications that aren't going to be solved by simply changing "but" to "and". Intricate matters like this are just not suited for introductory text. This is not to say it shouldn't be covered, but the lead is not the place for it. Dancter 06:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The wording of the sentence has been discussed at great length (check archives). The segment had been debated and modified to the point where a separate "Demographic" subsection had to created to satisfy WP:LEAD. The current and makes it read as though Nintendo stated the second half of the sentence, which is inaccurate. A full stop between both statements would clearer at this point. Just64helpin 09:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo implied this would be their next generation console following the Nintendo GameCube, which would put it in the seventh generation of gaming since it is an upgrade compared to the Nintendo GameCube.  It's sort of hard not to imply that the Wii would be part of the next generation of consoles when you flaunt it along side the PS3 and Xbox 360. 74.161.65.20 19:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify, the point of contention was whether the Wii competes with the other consoles, as opposed to whether it's in the same generation. Just64helpin 21:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the meantime, I'm putting a period; however, in my opinion this it is merely a band-aid to the problem.  As for removing the first part of the sentence, that is not an option because it is required as part of the WP:LEAD.  Though I do believe if we're going to discuss the "Demographic" there should be a section on it; however, there isn't enough information available to establish the key demographic other than that they're are targetting people of all ages (which could just as easily be established in the LEAD with appropriate references). Cadwal 03:41, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording the sentence 

message: I'm surprised there is no mention of any therapeutic or health benefits. There's Wii Fit (and the balance board), but also, the Wii is being used in therapy sessions in North Carolina (). Supposedly the first hospital to use the Wii was the Glenrose Rehabilitation Hospital in Edmonton, Alberta Canada. I think we should mention it, yeah? 70.104.16.81 03:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A bit on weight loss had been added to the "Reception" section, but was removed for reasons I can't remember. Just64helpin 03:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Therapeutic benefits?

message: Are there any confirmation about the Wii Elite rumor? I spotted it at a blog. Note that I haven't done any research on this. --ReCover 10:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, Nintendo Wi-Fi is free to all users. Just64helpin 10:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, I had suspicions that it was fake since it hadn't popped up anywhere else, but just wanted to make you guys aware of it. --ReCover 19:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Uh, Nintendo Wi-Fi is free. Also, obvious fake, the Wii logo is stretched. 205.206.207.250 19:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii Elite 

message: I dunno, but it seems that the lead section is a bit sparse, especially for a featured article. Is there really that little to say in the lead? Another concern is that it is possible in the future that print versions of Wikipedia would only include the lead section and so the lead must provide a complete summary of the rest of the article. Axem Titanium 19:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It currently summarizes, or a least hints at, all of the main sections except for "Software library". We can use this topic to discuss where need more detail, but keep in mind that certain bits have met much debate in the past. Just64helpin 21:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:LEAD]]?

message: cold soneone add this link to the article. I would do it, but my wireless cnncetion doesnt let me stay logged in. The Placebo Effect 69.19.14.43 03:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New link

message: The electronics store Fravega, is going to sell the Wii since the 10th of August 2007, without authorization from Nintendo. While this isn't an official release, this is quite common in Argentina as the PS3 is sold without authorization from Sony in Carrefour supermarkets and several stores sell next-gen consoles. Do I add this to the article? 
Note: it's legal to sell consoles without them being officially released, at least in Argentina. Sony claims this to be otherwise, but no one has said anything yet.
Proof: http://ar.geocities.com/roberto_carrazzoni/img002.jpg
--I Am Magnustalk 23:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii release in Argentina 

message: Is it not HD, or can a HD version be made?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ajuk (talk • contribs).
:The Wii supports 480p and widescreen, which is better than standard definition, but still isn't considered HD.
:If your question is could Nintendo make a new Wii model that runs existing Wii games in high definition, the answer is no. Nintendo could make an HD Wii, but it would only work with games created with special support for HD resolutions. Tmdean 04:56, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HD 

message: Uh, I noticed that it has been changed to say "The Wii" when I thought it was just supposed to say "Wii". It also says to join the discussion here, but it has been archived so I'd like to start a new discussion about it if you all don't mind.
I believe it should read "Wii" as opposed to "The Wii", because the article is simply called Wii and "The Wii" sounds too personalised, while the lack of "The" sounds more encyclopedic. That's my reasons anyway. .:Alex:. 18:12, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made the change, which I believe was the consensus when the issue was discussed.  --Maxamegalon2000 19:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted the change, as the previous consensus was that "the Wii" is grammatically correct, and that editors should not ignore that fact to please Nintendo. EDIT: The consensus can be found here. Just64helpin 19:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I wish to reopen the discussion. No definate consensus was achieved, just "a quick poll" on peoples opinions on the matter and the change was left. Also, were not talking about every other statement of "Wii" on Wikipedia, just the very first word(s) in the lead. .:Alex:. 19:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not against a new discussion, just clarifying what the consensus was previously. We should not alter the existing version until consensus decides for it. As for the new discussion, I'll point out that we should be consistent in either "Wii" or "the Wii". Exclusively omitting "the" in the lead would be confusing. Just64helpin 21:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I personally tend to agree that there needn't be any preceding "the", at least not in the title. Whether it is grammatically correct to refer the console in a sentence with "the", I believe the title of the console itself is and should be reflected as "Wii". "Wii would like to play" springs to mind.Lemon-lime 23:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The title does say "Wii". The point of the discussion is whether the opening sentence should begin with "The". So far, existing arguments, standards and guidelines point to "The". Just64helpin 23:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why, though?  There's Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, Nintendo GameCube and Wii... not the Nintendo 64 and the Nintendo GameCube, and not the Wii. Miles Blues 22:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go compare the articles before making your argument; use of "the" in the lead is a consistent style across not just the Nintendo console articles but virtually every gaming console article on Wikipedia, and for that matter a lion's share of articles in general.  So why would this article get special treatment?  Just because of Nintendo's word?  Common grammar does not work that way.  --Stratadrake 03:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Wii" vs "The Wii" redux

message: Can someone please update the Wii Menu picture to reflect the new update (Clock, etc)? Thanks! LN3000 07:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a new update? Could you explain? .:Alex:. 08:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently it only came out just yesterday. The details of the update have already been added on the Wii Menu article. Unlike the previous updates, this one has actually changed the Wii Menu a bit visually, as the tab that says Wii Menu between the System and Message Board buttons is bigger now, and is the location of the new digital clock. I'm assuming this is why LN3000 suggested obtaining a new screenshot of the Wii Menu. Disaster KirbyTalk 08:30, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Ah I see. I just downloaded it now. Yeah, it does warrant a new picture. I just didn't know there was an update. Thanks. .:Alex:. 09:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thank you Kirby! LN3000 20:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii Menu picture 

message: Sadly, in Asia and other parts of the world pirated Wii games are now very common, and many people have had their consoles modded to play fake games. They are even selling Nintendo GameCube game compilation discs marked as Wii titles! Should we mention this in the article? Nintenboy01 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Has this been covered in the news media? Dancter 22:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haven't seen any major news coverage but sites like this have some info, along with several other sites. Nintenboy01 22:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another good example. Nintenboy01 22:52, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those don't look very reliable. Just64helpin 23:03, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yeah, it's basically just pictures from local Philippine shops showing the proliferation of counterfeit Wii software. Chances are you don't see this stuff in the USA though. Nintenboy01 23:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not so worried about reliability as I am about context. Both reports Nintendboy01 has shown seem to stem from the same anecdotal account of pirated games in the Philippines. It's not enough to build a proper coverage of piracy for the Wii in general. Dancter 23:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, I don't think it's quite at the level of piracy the PS2 and even the GBA have experienced. Hopefully it won't come to that though. Nintenboy01 23:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On a side note, I find it odd that there is little mention of Wii's firmware updates here. Is it on another article? I hear that Nintendo is cracking down on modders and a message appears saying the console may be rendered inoperable if the update is applied to a modded unit. Nintenboy01 00:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It's actually sprinkled throughout the article where appropriate. A change in text may still be needed in places, though. The Wii Menu article also has a section specifically about updates. Just64helpin 00:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh thanks, I missed that. It's missing the " may render your console inoperable" bit though. If I find a good source maybe I might add it in. Nintenboy01 00:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Software piracy is always a problem with consoles these days. But they rarely get reported in mainstream media. As for the "render your console inoperable" statement, it is likely, since it helps to combat piracy. Add it to the "hardware features" section, if you have a reliable source for it.--Alasdair 02:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably not reported in mainstream media too much since it seems to be prevalent mostly in Asia. What seems to get America's goat more is P2P networks and the like. Nintenboy01 03:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In Hong Kong, where I live, customs crackdowns on piracy and other fake goods is reported on the news. Although there weren't any crackdowns on pirated Wii games so far as I remember. If someone can find a SE Asian report, then it's all fine.--Alasdair 08:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii Software Piracy 

message: I just Google searched "Wiimote" and there are results. And when I edit the "Wii Remote" section, I put "also known as the "Wiimote", but someone reverted my edit. Why?   PNiddy  Go!  0 03:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean this edit?  The probable reason was that consensus had been established on the naming usage in the article in a prior discussion.--Alasdair 07:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We haven't had this discussion in a long time, but I think the consensus was to mention the nickname only on the actual Wii Remote article.  --Stratadrake 12:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why did my edit get reverted? 

message: In addition to pirated games, I noticed that this article makes no mention whatsoever of Wii modchips or anything, or even acknowledge the fact that piracy/homebrewing DOES exist on the Wii. Shouldnt this be mentioned even briefly, just to make the article a Wii bit more comprehensive? Plus the fact that the current firmware update seems to brick 9 out of 10 modded consoles. Nintenboy01 01:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't this already discussed in the topic above? Just64helpin 02:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, right. It's just that I can't seem to find a suitable source. But if you've noticed, the articles for Dreamcast, GCN and PS2 respectively do make mention of piracy (especially the Dreamcast article). Nintenboy01 02:45, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Homebrew doesn't exist on the Wii (yet). Just piracy. Tmdean 02:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not true.  A mod chip team just released a homebrew DVD player that works with the BOSS modchipLemon-lime 13:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii Mods 

message: We should have a part - somewhere either in reception or sales - discussing the astonishing sales figures for the UK. Japan it is a given to have huge sales, but in the UK it is somthing else entirely.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.159.156.234 (talk) 16:36, August 21, 2007 (UTC) 
*Well, the Sales section can always be extended with some details on Wii sales in different regions, aside from the table. (based on NPD, Media-Create, Chart Track UK etc.) And I agree, their sales are higher than what I expected in the beginning.--Alasdair 04:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wii sales in UK

message: I recently cited the vgchartz console sales records, however I states it was inaccurate. Moments later, it's reverted. What's up with this? I never said anything inaccurate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MilesM11 (talk • contribs) 19:14, August 25, 2007 (UTC) 
:If the source is inaccurate, it shouldn't be cited in the first place. Wikipedia requires reliable sources. --Herald Alberich 19:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: My edit removed

message: Hi there. I think it would be interesting if information from these two websites, regarding the development and history of the Wii Remote, could be included in either the Wii (within the "History" sub-section) or Wii Remote articles. I am specifically interested in the following two excerpts.
From the first link, regarding Factor 5 being shown a motion-sensing controller for the Nintendo GameCube:
"'When we were doing Star Wars: Rogue Leader for the Nintendo GameCube actually, we had an early prototype of that controller, and that had motion control,' he said. 'So we thought for our style of gameplay - especially when it comes to flight - about motion control for a long time, so we were kind of anticipating it, and I was always keeping it in the back of my head.'"
From the second link, regarding development of a motion-sensing controller for Nintendo in 2001:
"Here's the back story: Gyration is a company that holds most of the best motion-sensing patents. Nintendo licensed a number of those patents from Gyration in 2001, and brought the company on board that year to develop a one-handed controller. (Nintendo even became an investor in Gyration, which is now owned by Thomson.)"
I also remember reading a Mailbox to IGN, a long while ago, which discussed Nintendo showing a "wand-like" peripheral for the Nintendo GameCube behind doors at some E3. Anyway, I wasn't sure if this stuff should be added to the article, in case it's speculation or whatnot. Thoughts? --Zooba 17:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's notable, the information would be best presented in the Wii Remote article, possibly under a "History" section. Just64helpin 17:50, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should information from these websites be included? 

message: So, I'm trying to look up to see if custom soundtracks are available for a game to be released in the future, and I notice that after the release of Excite Truck, Nintendo stated that they got rid of custom soundtracks indefinitely.  Excite Truck is apparently the only game with the custom soundtrack ability.  My question is, why did Nintendo put the custom soundtrack feature on hold indefinitely?  I mean, I'm not saying a game's soundtrack is bad, but I also want to be able to listen to my music while playing (not from separate audio sources).  No matter the answer, the article should be updated to say that custom soundtracks aren't supported at the moment, although a reputable source still would need to be located.  --GVOLTT How's my editing?\My contribs 19:28, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure where you heard that from, but it is not true. In fact, Nintendo just released another game in Japan (a US release is in October) that allows for custom sound tracks: Forever Blue. Zomic_13 21:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No custom soundtracks?