Talk:Tyrrhenians

message: Googling turns up the following text in the white-supremacist Serbian? webite "Stormpower": "There is a Greek-Etruscan bilingue at Delphi from this period where the Etruscan tribal name Velthanes is rendered as Tyrrhenoi in Greek." This Wikipedia-only "bilingue" is apparently a bilingual inscription: is there any responsible source for this? A sentence or so of the Delphi context in which it was found would improve credibility. --Wetman 15:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Waited long enough: commented-out and notified User:Dbachmann.  --Wetman (talk) 15:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Stormfront" must have got this from here. I think I remember I took this from a book by Woudhuizen, perhaps The Language of the Sea Peoples (1992), which would qualify as academic, even if somewhat fringy-within-academia. I'll have to dig for the exact page though. When I added this in May 2006, cite.php footnotes for each and every bit of information was not yet as standard as it is now. Which reflects a development to the better, of course. dab (𒁳) 17:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You should see what they've done to some of my old efforts from 2003!--Wetman (talk) 04:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Velthanes

message: The article needs a lot of work in development, referencing and formatting. Meanwhile, a major theory is that these were the sea people of this name. That needs to be worked up and this is the article in which to do it. Sea peoples is looking pretty good now so I moved the text from Etruscan civilization on sea peoples to here and there will be a ref to it in that article. For now though it is not good enough just to go in, so I put it here instead for future ref. By that I mean, not the distant future, as I am working on this set of articles now. Don't be misled by the poor quality of the text removed. Everything about it will suffer a sea change. The text:
An Egyptian inscription at Deir al-Madinah records a victory of Ramesses III over Sea Peoples, including some named Tursha (spelled [twrš3] in Egyptian script). These are probably the same as the earlier Teresh (found written as [trš.w]) of the Merneptah Stele, commemorating Merneptah’s victory in a Libyan campaign at about 1220 BC. This may be too early for the Trojan War. Some have connected the name to the city Taruisas, Troy.  The Greeks referred to them originally as *Tyrsenoi, later as Tyrrhenoi.  Etruscans referred to themselves as "Rasena", possibly a later corruption of "Trasena" ' even "Tlasena" (from Thalassa = pre-Greek or "Pelasgian" for Sea. The first Etruscan settlement in Italy was said to have been Piombina, after an initial settlement in Elba.  From there they are said to have spread throughout Etruria.Dave 19:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Text from Etruscan civilization

message: The section on Spard has what looks like a single, tangential source while the claim it supposedly supports is explicitly dealt with in the previous second.  It also asserts, without sourcing, a "homeland" for the Tyrrhenians that the previous section discounts.  It looks like another example of the Troy->Italy trope that never turns out to be true.  Are there any better sources, or is it worth letting the previous section deal with the question and just remove this section entirely? Endie (talk) 11:33, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with everything, the paragraph should be removed. --Tursclan (talk) 15:04, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Spard