Talk:Queens Park Rangers F.C.

message: Some sections have got a bit messy. They could be condensed without losing any information. I propose a rewrite as per the following structure: 
1. 1983 - 1996: QPR in the top division. (amalgamating "Mixed Fortunes", "Return of Gerry", "Sale of Ferdinand". 
2. 1996 to present: decline and financial troubles (amalgamating "financial crisis..", "success at last" and "current season". I propose to split this into two sections; one regarding the team's performance on the pitch, and the other regarding the club's financial difficulties off it. 
3. Latest news. 
Unless anyone has any objections, I'll rewrite these sections after the Stoke game. The Angel of Islington 21:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite of recent history and current season

message: I suggest that the second of these two sections be deleted and its contents moved to the former. The only item in it is the recent brawl at Harlington. I also note that the following: The unusual circumstances of the game - it was not an official match and took place at QPR's training ground - means it could be difficult for the FA to act.
has been copied verbatim from the page at this link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/q/qpr/6341485.stm The Angel of Islington 09:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Having looked a bit more closely, I discovered that most of the section had been culled from this and other articles. I have removed "Recent News" and included it under "Current Season" complete with citations. The Angel of Islington 07:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Season / Recent News

message: Fictional chracters are not real people and are therefore not famous fans and should be avoided.
::Why on earth can't a fictional character be a fan? That is absolute nonsense. Sherlock Holmes IS a famous pipe smoker - but he's fictional. The character supports QPR - that is fact. I really don;t see what the problem is. Please do not revert without further discussion. Robsteadman 20:28, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fictional characters CAN be fans

message: Please do not add this name back without providing a source.  I can't find any reference for this person actually existing.  dcandeto 17:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russell Charman Is A Hoax

message: The list of 'famous fans' is ill-fitting with the whole concept of an encyclopedia entry, so I removed it. Also, it doesn't reflect well on QPR, or its fans - it is a bit pathetic.
Qprmeteor 22:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous fans - again. 

message: Could somebody who knows about the team make a squad template? Guidelines can be found here SenorKristobbal 09:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  squad template 

message: I've created a QPR user box you can put on your user page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_QPR
Qprmeteor 23:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  QPR Userbox 

message: I have just updated the Gianni Paladini bio. I am amazed after writing it, that this page has no referral to the gun incident/resultant coup. And before anyone asks, I rewrote it because I am a big Ian Holloway fan. Rgds, - Trident13 10:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gianni Paladini/Gun incident

message: British English should be used for articles on Britain related topics. Likewise, American English should be used on articles pertaining to American topics. For a clearer example, please visit this sub-section on the differences between their usage. However, is" works better than "are" with the term  club as it is a singular and not a plural noun. (Compare with the word team which is a plural noun) --Siva1979Talk to me 13:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A note on British English 

message: The famous fans (or rumoured to be fanous fans) section has cropped up again. No other club page has this, and I feel that it should be removed as unnecessary clutter. How does everyone else feel on this? 
Qprmeteor 15:55, 15 November, 2006 (UTC)
:I would be inclined to keep it, so long as the list is properly referenced and is made up of genuinely famous people (rather than any old Tom, Dick or Harry). I notice that the only name in it at present is not referenced. If no-one can find a reference, it should be removed. Isn't Robert Smith of the Cure a fan? The Angel of Islington 09:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  On second thoughts, I've chopped it out. Only one name and it's not referenced. If anyone wants to reinstate the section then he or she can do so with references. The Angel of Islington 07:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Strange, he now says he's a Celtic supporter. He was born in North London and played for Brentford as an apprentice so not sure he'd have a strong affiliation to QPR. Had probably just been given a scarf at the game as a freebie and he thought it would look good for his gig. Think we can safely say it's not worth including in the article though...Dick G (talk) 22:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have once again deleted the perennial favourite of IP editors, the 'Famous Fans' section per MoS:Football Clubs.Dick G (talk) 22:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous fans - yet again 

message: Richard Hill remains suspended pending club investigations - presumably they will make a decision this summer. Saying that Warren Neill has replaced him gives an incorrect impression however, as he was signed on a contract until the end of the season to cover the gap in the coaching staff. John Gregory has been quoted on the official QPR website saying that he is looking for new coaching staff (including attempting to sign up Neill). Therefore Richard Hill has not been per se replaced by Warren Neill (yet!)81.154.187.97 16:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suspension of Richard Hill

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replies: text: I will be pleased to do this in three days' time. I have law exams in the meantime. If you could hold off, that would be great. The Angel of Islington 04:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Queens Park Rangers badge.png

message: Recent edits have filled out the History section but it looks a little too big now and prob warrants its own article. If this prod doesn't get a discussion going I'll add some tags in a few days.... Dick G 09:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: excellent idea, although I think the main reason why the page contains more than it needs is because of recentism 219.89.227.181 19:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I definately think that it needs to be split off, and seeing as no-one has objected here in almost two months since it was suggested, I'll go ahead and do it. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 17:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Additionally, the section titled Current season should go to Queens Park Rangers F.C. season 2007-08. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 17:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now done, but what's left in the main club article could probably do with a bit of tidying up. — Gasheadsteve Talk to me 17:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History of the club

message: Individuals continue to add the above statement (or variations thereof) to the page. This appears to be a common misconception of what equity investment actually means. While QPR have undoubtedly received investment from three very wealthy people this does not mean the club is wealthy by association. These investors have purchased shares in the club's holding company and will not have paid a huge amount for those shares since the club itself (and thus its share price) is not highly valued. Therefore the actual equity injection into the club is not huge and certainly not even close to the raw equity investment made at Premiership clubs whose share values are much higher. QPR is in debt and is still losing money, that alone makes it a cheap purchase. However Chelsea are reportedly also a loss-making club but are regarded as wealthy. The difference is the additional investment over and above the equity injection that is made by the indiviudual shareholders together with the club's assets (in terms of the players and the ground). Until Messrs. Mittal, Ecclestone and Briatore make those kinds of funds available to QPR and the club builds a valued portfolio of players, extinguishes its debt and removes the mortgage on its ground it will not be regarded as wealthy. A cursory look at QPR's financial statements will tell you that Rangers are far from being considered the world's richest club. I will try and add some neutral language that avoids me having to revert these errors time and time again. Dick G (talk) 23:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather appropriately the Daily Telegraph have written an article on the very point I have made above. Will add it to the relevant section... Dick G (talk) 01:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to add a lawyer's point of view: a club is wealthy only if it legally owns lots of money. A football club, just like any other company is its own legal person and quite separate from its shareholders, directors and backers. Therefore, having rich backers does not make a club any richer than I would be by having a rich grandfather. His property would remain his unless he gave it to me. 125.237.232.112 (talk) 23:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The World's Richest Club

message: How are some of the players under the "Notable Players, Past and Present" section notable?  This section is huge.  Ben Sahar?  Zeshan Rehman?  Sampsa Timoska?  Are you serious?  How are they notable?  QPR have almost been relegated and are currently in the bottom half of the table, how on earth is that notable?  I can understand players like Martin Rowlands and Akos Buzsaky being listed there due to their recent exploits, but this list needs to be about 50% smaller.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.7.85 (talk) 19:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How are some of the players under the "Notable Players, Past and Present" section notable?  This section is huge.  Ben Sahar?  Zeshan Rehman?  Sampsa Timoska?  Are you serious?  How are they notable?  QPR have almost been relegated and are currently in the bottom half of the table, how on earth is that notable?  I can understand players like Martin Rowlands and Akos Buzsaky being listed there due to their recent exploits, but this list needs to be about 50% smaller.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.7.85 (talk) 19:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they've played at international level. Regardless of their ability (or perceived ability) in the context of the club's current or past status they have international caps. I expect that is why they are listed but I admit I have seen no debate on the criteria for this section. Dick G (talk) 21:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Players? 

message: These are generally original research, and shouldn't be included without good sourcing. The problem is that sudden "rivalries" can arise because of an incident at a game (or outside it, if involving a firm) but these are generally forgotten quickly.  As regards the ones that are being added at the moment;
* I can find one reference to a Luton-QPR rivalry
* The only reference to Watford says that it isn't a real rivalry
* I can't find anything at all to do with Stoke
* Previous versions tried to add Bristol City and Cardiff - nothing there either
Unless these additions are better sourced, they'll have to be removed.  I have blocked the latest sock of JackQPR (User:Benyank) who kept adding it.  As I say - good sources - info stays. Black Kite 12:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It may be true that the Chelsea rivalry usurped the pre-existing Fulham rivalry, I contend that it is historic enough to be considered traditional. Furthermore, that this rivalry is (in your opinion) not reciprocated does not make it any less worthy to this article which concerns QPR fans' sense of rivalry. Many thanks for contributing to the debate which, considering the volume of edits to this section, is in rude health. --John Gibbard (talk) 08:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't have a problem mentioning the Chelsea rivalry. QPR fans consider them as such and it should be mentioned. However it should also be noted that most Chelsea fans do not see QPR as a major rival.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.212.26 (talk) 19:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't really agree that it's worth mentioning who Chelsea think their rivals are in this article but given that the Rivalry section seems to be edited every five minutes or so I'm not sure I can be bothered with changing it! Maybe it'll settle down eventually but then again, given the history of footballing passions, it probably won't.--John Gibbard (talk) 17:03, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have deleted recent inclusion of Reading as rivals on account of 'who plays better in blue and white hoops' as this is faintly ridiculous. Happy to keep in the club's traditional rivals - as per the existing cite - but I don't think there's any value in recording every new perceived rivalry that crops up from season to season.Dick G (talk) 22:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rivalries 

message: Whoever rewrote the history section missed out a huge chunk of QPR's success. Runners-up in 1976 with Bowles and co? The Terry Venables era that saw them promoted and compete in the UEFA Cup within a short span? Where is this info? ByteofKnowledge (talk) 07:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The section on this page is a summary - a more full treatment of the club's history is at History of Queens Park Rangers F.C.. The main club page needs just an abridged history but I agree that it skips about 30 years! Feel free to be bold and add it yourself, but please keep it short. Cheers Dick G (talk) 22:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've added the missing history now. Cheers Dick G (talk) 05:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terry Venables and Stan Bowles 

message: "Before the game QPR unveiled a new club badge to signify what they hope will be a new era at Loftus Road." 
An article on the official site is here. Basically, this means that the current badge on our article is out of date, I would assume. Dreaded Walrus  t c 17:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New club badge 

message: It seems Reece Crowther's nationality as per the squad list periodically flip-flops between Australian and American. My understanding is that the allocated flag should represent the player's listed nationality and his squad profile official QPR site states that he's Australian. ESPN Soccernet also has him listed as Australian. It seems the confusion (if there is any) stems from the fact he was born in the USA as noted on his profile at Soccerbase (which also identifies his nationality as Australian).  Unless and until he plays at international level for either the USA, England or Australia, I would have thought the default position should be that he is listed as Australian as per the QPR official squad profile. Accordingly and as a result of the three sources cited I have changed his nationality once again to Australian. Dick G (talk) 04:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reece Crowther 

message: I have changed Angelo Balanta's nationality from Colombian to English - although born in COL, he has been called up to a few England U-19 squads so should this not take preference? 62.6.149.17 (talk) 13:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balanta 

message: Are we allowed to write that they will play in the Premier league next season when a potential points deduction is hanging over them? Should there at least be a footnote to that effect?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.96.22 (talk) 07:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faurlin legal case 

message: I deleted QPR and Rangers in the "nicknames" sections and changed Hoops to Super Hoops. Also added the R's  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.90.97.195 (talk) 19:41, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames 

message: Can someone please put Mo Sharif back in the unregistered players section as his loan at Staines Town has expired  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.186.33 (talk) 23:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mo Sharif loan expired 

message: No have standard for this game. Easy game for you .Why you play like this.WACK!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.100.36.48 (talk) 16:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  QPR-KILMARNOCK 

message: At the moment, the height of players is often unreferenced. I propose to reference the height of players to the information in the Premier League website and to put the information from Premier League first. If anyone has any comments or concerns about this, please let me know. Michael Glass (talk) 04:30, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now referenced a number of players from Premier League information, correcting the heights, where necessary, from the Premier League information. There is, however, a question of inconsistency. Most players' heights are metric first but a smaller number are Imperial first and none of these heights are referenced. I propose to make all the player profiles consistent with Premier League and put the metric measures first. Are there any comments or concerns about this proposal? Michael Glass (talk) 11:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the Premier League links I have come across require a subscription to access them, meaning they should be avoided per WP:ELNO (whether that applies to references I'm not certain).  And going by WP:UNIT, "feet/inches and stones/pounds for personal height and weight measurements" are "still used as the main units in some contexts". So should we prefer metric units to imperial? Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 12:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have had no trouble getting the players' heights and weights from Premier League. See ,  and . On the issue of the recommendations of MOSNUM, this seems to be be followed more in the breach than the observance when it comes to teams. The teams' websites are inconsistent, with some giving Imperial/(metric) while others give metric only or metric/(Imperial) and Premier League and the BBC gives the players' heights in metric only. Individual editors seem to follow their own whims, so different players' heights are given as metric/(Imperial) or Imperial/(metric). In QPR, metric/(Imperial) predominates. In the circumstances, it would be better to let sleeping dogs lie. Best wishes, Michael Glass (talk) 03:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Players' height 

message: There is a discrepancy between the year of foundation in the infobox (1882, as stated on the club badge) and in the introduction (which says 1886), and the List of Queens Park Rangers F.C. players (which states 1888).  I believe that the year of 1882 is correct, although the Sky Sports Football Yearbook states either 1885 or 1886 (I do not have the book on me at the moment).  Can this be discussed so all three say the same thing?  —Gyaro–Maguus— 15:58, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year of foundation 

message: This page needs semi-protection lock on it, similar to Chelsea and Tot Hotspur due to constantly being changed with incorrect data.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.184.150.153 (talk) 11:28, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  NEEDS SEMI-LOCKING ASAP 

message: I've created a stub about Albert Victor (Ben) Butler, a QPR player who died in WWI. Please help improve it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:14, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albert Victor (Ben) Butler 

message: This article does not even state the first year QPR entered the English Football league. Very poor.
:Do you know? Then add it to the article. Jjamesryan (talk | contribs) 07:18, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did QPR enter the league 

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message: Add Joe Lumley to the squad list (number 26) Strikethrough (talk) 14:19, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:40, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2018 

message: Is it okay to byword this seemingly Satanic curse? 2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:C89E:682C:456A:8131 (talk) 15:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  QPR’s nickname “super hoops” an anagram of “resup poohs” 

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