Talk:Wedding at Cana

message: A link to Lost jars of Cana was just removed from this article with the comment "pov fork."  I'm no expert, but don't see a POV problem (would appreciate a discussion of that).  In fact, the two articles seem to overlap to a considerable extent and should probably be one.  Thoughts?   --John (User:Jwy/talk) 17:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not even know the lost article existed. Some material seems to need to get merged into here, but who invented the term "lost jars"? No reference for it. I say merge. History2007 (talk) 18:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe a fork without a pov. But definitely a fork - the Jars material could easily be covered in this article. PiCo (talk) 23:42, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Yes by all means combine them.  The first thing that I thought when I looked at the Lost Jars article was, "Why is this a separate article"?  Apollo (talk) 17:12, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[Lost jars of Cana]] 

message: Her name is Mary.  Why are we not calling her by her name in this article? He didn't have more than one mother and though the bible might not call her by her name in this section we sure as heck can.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.208.30 (talk) 21:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd leave it as is.  It's slightly less ambiguous (since there are several Mary's but only one mother of Jesus), it's how John wrote it, and there's no reason to change it.Apollo (talk) 17:05, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

text: There are 9 people called Mary in the New Testament. This is less ambiguous. 1.126.106.119 (talk) 10:57, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesus' mother? 

message: Within a period of a few minutes or less, Jesus Christ was able to create wine with the attributes of the best wines that are aged for many years.  The Wikipedia article on wine asserts that the most collectible or most valuable wines have a "drinking window plateau (i.e., the period for maturity and approachability) that is many years long" - retrieved 2011.02.03.  In other words, the best wines require years to mature and become the best that they can be.  In a very brief time during the wedding at Cana, Jesus Christ was able to produce wine that had the attributes of the best wines and that appeared to the senses to be many years old.  On a grander scale, one may assert that in a very brief period of time (such as the Six Days of Creation of Genesis 1), Almighty God was able to create a universe that appeared to be much older (13+ billion years) than it was. Light from the most distant objects in the universe appear to be 13+ billion light-years away.  Visible light from those most distant objects appears to be 13+ billion years old. See Age of the universe.  See also Hebrews 11:3. 67.91.50.108 (talk) 12:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ^ why drinking copious amounts of wine dosed with LSD might not be the wisest of plans. Firejuggler86 (talk) 00:13, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time, Wine and the Universe 

message: What is the significance of this story about a wedding and wine?
The purpose may be to learn that Jesus will obey his mother (the fourth commandment to respect one's parents) and that one may gain the ear of Jesus by addressing his mother (the Blessed Virgin). Thus, prayers to the mother of Jesus are a valid path towards intervention by the divine powers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.130.239.32 (talk) 16:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is also that Jesus answers/ responds to man.  Ask/receive.  I ask here for forgiveness upon the story.  To fill me and soften my heart.  Jesus starts his work? 2600:8804:4E09:2A00:34DC:603C:1EDE:6CDA (talk) 01:14, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discuss the the purpose of the Miracle 

message: I find it curious that almost half the first section of this article (and the majority of the sources attached to it) is dedicated towards promulgating a false claim about Mormon doctrine. Clearly this is a violation of standards for POV, since it provides only a partial truth that is obviously designed to make readers believe something that is contrary to fact. I have added another source and additional information to hopefully remedy this; I will try to find more to continue fix the problem.--Antodav2007 (talk) 18:10, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The way it happened is in the edit-history: some editor added that and hence the rebuttal had to go in to balance it. It is probably too long - or maybe the rest of the article is too short? But overall it all needs to be there, including your addition, else someone will add the whole thing again in 9 months. History2007 (talk) 18:20, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mormon Doctrine 

message: How notable is this information/section? Not only does it seem somewhat out of the place to the rest of the page, but it reads like "Some voice in the wilderness proposed this and NO ONE agrees with it" so I'm wondering how notable or important the whole issue is. Obviously someone spent alot of time on it since there are mult ref's, but I propose deleting the entire section as WP:UNDUE. Thoughts? Ckruschke (talk) 15:36, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Latter Day Saint (Mormon) views 

message: A wedding is an event where two people get married; marriage is the union that results from a wedding.
One cannot attend a marriage.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.176.103.110 (talk) 23:44, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "Wedding at Cana" seems definitely much more common than "Marriage at Cana", but surprisingly enough there are cases where 'marriage' is also used by serious institutions (see for instance one "The Marriage at Cana" each for the US and UK National Galleries of Art). There are several cases where it's called "marriage feast at Cana". I would still prefer the article to be called "Wedding at Cana", like most people (and reliable sources) would and do call it. The Wiki rules clearly are in favour of the most common name, and there is no doubt that 'wedding' beats 'marriage' and 'marriage feast' by a huge margin. So, move it? The Veronese painting has a "The" to differentiate it from this article, that's not a problem. Arminden (talk) 18:51, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Came here to say this. It's very odd that the article title is "Marriage at Cana" when in the very first sentence we say that "Wedding at Cana" is the more common description of the event. --Jfruh (talk) 01:45, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wedding vs Marriage

message: I have removed the unsourced and geographically unsuitable village of Ain Qana. While it is indeed in "Southern Lebanon", it lays north of the Litani River, which puts it outside historical Galilee. Hardly a candidate for "Cana in Galilee".
I removed it from the list, but not (yet) from the highlighted places on the map, as it still helps to illustrate how common the name is, i.e. the "dozen towns" by the name of Kanna/Qana mentioned by J. Murphy O'Connor.
Who even brought it up? A local patriot? Please, not without a source. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 19:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ain Qana: unsourced and outside Galilee - who brought it up? 

message: Somebody has taken out the entire paragraph about the stone jars sometime between 2011 and 2021. I've rewritten it a bit and put it back in, using the original material. If "Wine or beer" is a topic, then the jars, which come up every time smb. supports a particular site as the authentic one, is definitely a relevant topic. In Kafr Kanna, both the Greek Orthodox church and the Catholic one have one or more, both letting to some degree the worshippers believe that theirs are the authentic ones, although they should know better. The same happens in the Greek Catholic church in Qana. Khirbet Kana isn't inhabited, nor has it a church, but archaeologists have also presented stone vessel sherds as proof for... whatever, since they're not supposed to work for the Church. The jars are a great magnet for pilgrims, with spiritual as well as major commercial implications at each one of the sites. Shimon Gibson, a major pursuer on the quest for "authentic" biblical sites (I'm sure that he'll be the one to discover Jesus' own shampoo bottle and John's moth-proof bag for fur garments, no doubt about it), but a real expert too, put them nicely in their right place: chalk stone vessels have become a banal and ubiquitous marker for Jewish settlements in the halakhically defined Land of Israel between the 1st c. BCE and the 1st c. CE. Only there, never before and hardly ever after that. Within those geographical and time limits, finding sites go into their thousands - see for instance Jodi Magness's 2017 article for more detail and analysis. But Cana and the jars go together like, well, love and marriage, for academic & theological reference see  Al & Peg Bundy. So we do need the topic in the article. Humming along, yours Arminden (talk) 09:46, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: 2600:1702:528B:3310:83C:66FF:FE04:42F4 (talk) 20:28, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stone jars 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved per original request. Regarding the painting, it should be a separate discussion. Two possible targets have been proposed, and the renaming has not been properly advertised.  Favonian (talk) 19:08, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Marriage at Cana →  – The most common name for this episode/miracle is "the Wedding at Cana". Wedding at Cana redirects here but it would require a technical move. The similar The Wedding at Cana might be moved to The Wedding Feast at Cana which appears to be the name it is referred to in most sources cited in the article. Hazhk (talk) 19:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

text: Support re: my comments above. We say in the very first sentence that "Wedding at Cana" is the more common phrase, and that should be the title of the article. --Jfruh (talk) 19:49, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

text: Support WP:COMMONNAME Signed, IAmChaos 01:20, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 19 January 2022 

message: Lucy voice 2407:C00:6006:56AD:1:0:1D7C:50FE (talk) 12:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wedding at canna short answers 

message: * Catholic feast day
* Orthodox feast day (Gregorian calendar)
* Orthodox feast day (Julian calendar)
The Orthodox feast day might be on the 3rd Sunday after Epiphany. Must be found out. Arminden (talk) 20:24, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: A section has been added for the feast date. You can now add your information to it. 1.126.106.119 (talk) 11:01, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  When is the feast day?