Talk:Narmer

message: Shouldn't the Serket link go to the King Scorpion instead of the goddess?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.123.104.9 (talk) 04:07, 2005 September 26 (UTC)
:Opps, before looking at the history, I re-hyperlinked Serket...should I change it back? Sorry about that...message me if you want me to change it back.--ViolinGirl♪ 14:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it. Srdjan Vesic 16:10, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serket 

message: This is a name in the king list that is impossible to identify from epigraphical evidence. I think we should stick to history in succession boxes and such, and leave legends to a separate discussion. TCC (talk) (contribs) 21:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that I see your cite, I think some adjustment is necessary. I have Hoffman in front of me. He describes the objects not as ostraca but as ebony labels (pp. 295-298; there are large drawings on pp 296-297 and not much room for text) and also mentions on p. 298 some jar sealings found by Petrie, also at Abydos, that "associate" m'n with Narmer. (He gives the cite in Petrie. He does not expand on "associate", unfortunately.) So there seems to be evidence pointing in both directions. TCC (talk) (contribs) 07:33, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's an ivory label as well, I'm just familiar with at least one argued ostricon. Actually, I think the object I referenced was the label, so you're right there. Thanatosimii 21:40, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh yes, gardiner explains the association. Reading from right to left, at the top of the label, there is a vertical cartouche shaped object (although not a cartouche) containing the Nebty Symbol and then Mn. Following this is the name Hor-Aha. The nebty name didn't exist this early, however, and the nebty symbols were used to indicate the kings personal name. However, the nebty symbols always have to be facing towards the horus name, or so says gardiner, and here they are facing away, so it is believed that this king Mn must be different from Hor-Aha, and the label is ceremonial to indicate that Hor-Aha came to a place associated with Mn at a later date, much like Akhenaten constructed several objects containing both his name and that of his fathers, to legitimize his rule. Thanatosimii 21:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Further to TCC's first comment (I think we should stick to history in succession boxes and such, and leave legends to a separate discussion), would it not be best to remove Scorpion and Ka from the predecessor field? Narmer is historical: the same cannot, I propose, be said of Scorpion and Ka.gergis (talk) 17:58, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Menes 

message: Also, is it just me or does that image of the Narmer Palette lack any visible detail? I can fix it, but I don't want to change it if it's something peculiar about my monitor. TCC (talk) (contribs) 21:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tweaked the gamma a bit. It doesn't look all that much better in the article, but the reduced version on the image description page looks much better. The full image was actually pretty clear, but you shouldn't have to download a 1.5MB file to see it! TCC (talk) (contribs) 07:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palette image 

message: many argue this stelae / stone / narmer palette not only contains all religion, it explains it all 
- ole croan IX, 99.165.196.169 (talk) 19:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palette 

message: Hi,
:It is interesting to note that 'Narmeru' is one of the possible (impure?) forms of the name.
:In ancient Indian culture. Narmeru' was meant to be 'Nar' (-andros, -man) and 'meru' (Mount Meru of ancient India, generally used to refer any great mountain).
:Regards,
:No, not particularly interesting. Sanskrit is an which had not yet entered India at the time. may not yet have differentiated itself.) It's entirely unrelated to the Afro-Asiatic Egyptian language, which is also older than any recorded language in the Indo-European family. "Narmer" is a conjectural pronunciation based on the phonetic values represented by the glyphs of his name known from later times. That the glyphs to not represent an ideogram (as may, for example, the name glyph for the earlier King Scorpion) is that what they literally represent, "catfish chisel", doesn't make much sense. TCC (talk) (contribs) 23:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (whoops, simultanious editing) Not really relevant... First, Sanskrit didn't even exist when narmer lived. Second, there were no indo-europeans in India until almost two millenia later. Thanatosimii 23:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The picture belongs at Narmer Macehead. --Michael C. Price talk 11:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narmer and India connection 

message: The first two sentences in the section Reign are duplicated (after the third sentence). Tried to edit them out but it messed up the format of the page so I reverted. Maybe someone with better wiki skills could clean it up? aldiboronti (talk) 14:32, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed it. Dougweller (talk) 16:13, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicate text 

message: The article reads that it has Narmer's name on the base. Yet looking at it, I see no heiroglyphs. Is there a mistake, or am I not seeing something? --75.176.70.242 (talk) 17:29, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Does base mean underneath? --Michael C. Price talk 18:08, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You're not seeing something, but that's because it is very hard to see in that picture. ;-) The hieroglyphs are carved into the base of the statue, just under it's front paws. A close-up that shows the hieroglyphs (somewhat) more clearly can be seen at: http://egyptologist.org/discus/messages/11/6123.jpg. Captmondo (talk) 18:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Baboon statue... 

message: The text about Narmer's tomb makes no mention of his body, an odd omission given that there is a tomb.  I presume there was no body found, but if so, that deserves mention.  I don't know enough about the topic to do this myself. Tmangray (talk) 18:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  That isn't quite true, for exemple, the mummy of Merenre Nemtyemsaf I (see here) was discovered as well as those of Neferefre and Djedkare Isesi, parts of that of Djoser and a wrist of Djer. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:26, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Body/Mummy? 

message: Heagy recently added info saying one side of Narmer Palette is the first instance of a fake beard. Just a minor question, it looks like Scorpion is shown with the beard as well as Narmer (both times) but I can't find it on any of Narmers successors so I am surprised they don't say he is the last instance of a beard. 172.58.185.180 (talk) 01:16, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for responding. I don't see how they tell the difference between Scorpion and Narmers beards, and after Narmer they seem to become quite rare again until perhaps the Middle Kingdom... but if that's what can be sourced, okay.  I actually have not given any references, if you mean the two appearing below they are artifacts from another thread. 172.58.185.160 (talk) 15:34, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narmer first beard? 

message: Starting with all the great content in Narmer:Reign, I have restructured the discussion of the first part of the section to focus on the two related issues that are at the heart of any discussion of Narmer : “Was Narmer Menes ?” , and “What was Narmer’s role in the unification of Egypt ?”.
Given that he lived 5000 years ago, it is not surprising that there is a great deal of uncertainty and controversy over every issue relating to Narmer. What I have tried to do is to identify the dominant view among Egyptologists, identify the controversy, and then provide detail of the controversies in the footnotes – material that the average reader is probably not interested in.
I have also added substantial additional information, some in the text, but more in the footnotes where I have put the more technical information.  I have also added references. I have a lot of additions to the bibliography that I will put in a little later
Finally, I have added sub-section headings.
I hope everyone finds these changes to be an improvement. Heagy1 (talk) 20:46, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision of Reign section 

message: Doesn't the name Narmer mean "Fighting Catfish"? I ask because in all the discussion about the Narmer / Menes connection, it seems that information about Narmers identity itself is missing. And how did he die as wasn't Narmer killed by a hippo and his body carried away by the creature? Even if new facts have emerged to say this is wrong, many are familiar with this and it's worth making note of to clarify so this article doesn't seem incomplete.
While I agree it is possible Narmer is Menes, that would be better argued in the Menes topic and only mentioned on this topic rather than comprising the entire thing. Otherwise, wouldn't you agree it's best to just combine Narmer with the Menes topic and do away with this one completely? 
The possibility yet exists that Narmer could be a separate king entirely and it is only theory that he is Menes or Hor Aha... he may be neither and until we have proof without question rather than well meaning theory, to include so much about Narmer being Menes and so little that is documented about Narmer himself such as the meaning of his name and things such as how he allegedly died are extremely important things to note. It almost seems as if this article were censored to exclude these things and to put forward the theory Narmer couldn't have and did not exist as a separate Pharoah when we simply do not know enough yet to exclude things we are told about Narmer that don't jive with the story of Menes or Hor Aha.
Armorbeast (talk) 23:15, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Facts 

message: The existing article contains an excellent discussion of Egypt and Narmer’s role in Canaan in the section on Artifacts. I have moved it to be a separate sub-section of the Reign section, leaving in the Artifacts section only information that relates directly to artifacts. I have also added a discussion of the relevant quote by Manetho and of Narmer Box 3 by Dryer that may also be relevant.
Heagy1 (talk) 18:57, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narmer in Canaan 

message: The Narmer Catalog is a comprehensive database of all available information concerning archaeological objects with inscriptions relating to Narmer, including all inscriptions that bear his name and inscriptions that are dated to his reign. The Catalog is currently composed of 109 inscriptions from 28 different sites in Egypt, the Sinai, and southern Canaan, including inscriptions whose interpretations are uncertain and/or controversial.
Each inscription page includes key information (Type, Material, Depository, etc.), illustrations (both drawings and photographs), and an extensive bibliography.
I am the author of the Narmer Catalog and the article, “Who was Menes?”, published in Archéo-Nil, the leading journal on early Egypt. Günter Dreyer and Renée Friedman, authorities in Predynastic and Early Dynastic Egypt, act as scholarly advisors for the Catalog.
Links to the inscription pages of the Catalog, provided as a supplement to the references to academic publications, are useful for several reasons. First, most readers of the Wikipedia article do not have access to an Egyptological library. 
Second, even for people who do have access to such resources, links to the Narmer Catalog allow them to easily and quickly view the material they may be interested in, such as  images of an object, the material it is made of, and information on its present location, without the need to track down all the printed material. For each inscription in the Catalog, all relevant data is presented in an easy-to-read format and can be downloaded as a PDF.   
Finally, it is worth noting that, for most of the inscriptions, the Narmer Catalog is not only the sole online resource with images or other information, it is also the only source for a complete list of references.  For many inscriptions, listing every reference in the Wikipedia article would be impractical.  For example, the Den necropolis seal impression has 12 references, 3 drawings, and 8 photographs of fragments of the seal impression. [] A simple link to the Narmer Catalog allows readers to learn more about the inscription and to gain access to a comprehensive list of references, Heagy1 (talk) 18:30, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narmer Catalog 

message: Hello all, i must say this is a well written article but as i read it i could not find any reference to what if any religion he practiced,
nor could i find a link in the article to the religion practiced at the time,
Do you think this should added? 86.185.138.241 (talk) 15:19, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I may be wrong but I feel like his religion was that the Ancient Egyptian religion. Of course it evolved from Narmer until the Ptolemies but I believe it is still considered to be one and the same religion. Ergo, we could perhaps write this in the article since there seems to be people looking for this information.Iry-Hor (talk) 15:32, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: Article claims lifetime  "c. 3273 – 2987 BC" (286 years fresh). Sounds biblical but encyclopedial. That should be clearer. Kipala (talk) 16:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lifetime 

message: I am noting that a substantial number of shortened footnotes do not match up to citations & vice-versa. Someone who has User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js installed in their common.js (see User:Ucucha/HarvErrors for documentation) could help. Also watching this should I have time. Peaceray (talk) 23:46, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shortened footnotes do not match citations & vice-versa 

message: While interesting, the paragraph about who the head might be attributed to seems to have undue length, considering it's mainly not about Narmer. Hypnôs (talk) 19:02, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of limestone head