Talk:Annette Kellerman

message: The date for when Annette Kellerman's husband was born is listed as 1912 but in the body of the article it says the two were married in November of 1912.  How is it that he could be born the same year they married?  I think his date of birth is incorrect (it would make her 25 years his superior) but I'm unsure about the correct date.212.243.64.70 (talk) 15:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is his birth date listed?? I can't find it. If you are referring to the dates next to his name in the infobox, they are the years they were married (1912 until Kellerman's death in 1975). Loopla (talk) 05:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates Incorrect? 

message: According to List of poliomyelitis survivors, Kellerman met with President Roosevelt and "devised some exercises for him." This is probably notable enough to mention. (That and the fact that there is a significant gap in this article between the 1920s and 1970s.) --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 07:34, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roosevelt 

message: Why is there no longer a mention of Kellerman's accident when she was filming a movie?
That was a significant part of her life and how it affected her physically.
I could of sworn there used to be mention of this accident in this article--
Can anyone shed light on why none of this part of her life is included here?
Thanks 69.249.125.97 (talk) 18:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Water Tank Accident 

message: There is more about her in this good BBC article Onanoff (talk) 10:15, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good source 

message: Being born in 1887, in the year 1900, Kellermann would have turned 13. Was she actually 12 or 13 years of age in the picture? I find that difficult to believe. --2A0A:A541:E1FB:0:6C8E:9C42:692:2BF8 (talk) 15:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image caption: "Kellermann in her famous one-piece bathing suit, c. 1900" 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved  the nominator makes a strong case rooted in policy, and there have been no explicit objections to the proposal. (closed by non-admin page mover)  Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:35, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Annette Kellermann →  – per WP:COMMONNAME. This article was created in October 2004 as "Annette Kellerman" and remained under that main title header for 11 years until it was unilaterally moved in November 2015 to "Annette Kellermann". The original title should be restored, per WP:RETAIN, unless there is consensus for a move to "Kellermann" and such consensus is extremely unlikely to be obtained because the use of "Kellerman" is completely overwhelming. A hundred years ago, she was referenced as either "Kellermann" or "Kellerman" but, since then, it is entirely "Kellerman". Her father was violinist Frederick Kellerman, not Kellermann and her birth certificate lists her as "Kellerman", not "Kellermann". Furthermore, two biographies — 2005's The Original Million Dollar Mermaid: The Annette Kellerman Story and 2009's Mermaid Queen: The Spectacular True Story Of Annette Kellerman, Who Swam Her Way To Fame, Fortune & Swimsuit History! — both use "Kellerman" as does the 1952 biopic, Million Dollar Mermaid, with Esther Williams as Kellerman, as well as the 2016 documentary, The Original Mermaid The Amazing Story of ANNETTE KELLERMAN SUPERSTAR SUPERWOMAN. In her native Australia, there is the Annette Kellerman Aquatic Centre. Her entries in all the reference books and databases use "Kellerman" — Encyclopedia Britannica, Encyclopedia Americana, Compton's Encyclopedia, World Book Encyclopedia, Encarta Encyclopedia and every other encyclopedia I've checked, along with  British Film Institute, American Film Institute Catalog, Women Film Pioneers Project, IMDb, Turner Classic Movies, AllMovie, TVGuide, Find a Grave, etc. Finally, all the modern-day media references use "Kellerman" — her 1975 obituary in The New York Times, 2010 rediscovery of her 1913 starring film, a detailed BBC article in 2016 and many more. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 10:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

text: *The memorabilia link states: "...with facsimile signature. The photo was likely a premium through Motion Picture Magazine." It's less likely that she actually signed it as it is that it was signed by the lowest paid office assistant. It'd be lucky if Kellerman even knew about the giveaway. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:13, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: *The nomination omits one important reference: Australian Dictionary of Biography here, and the Canberra street name, both Kellermann. A curious aspect of this controversy is that there was none in the newspapers of the day, many articles blithely containing both. And there wasn't a rush to "Kellerman" during WWI when Germanic names were being Anglicized wholesale. And Melburnians twice as likely as Sydneysiders to use the double "N".  Doug butler (talk) 22:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: One of the links in the nomination is to a 1914 article in The Argus (Melbourne): "ANNETTE KELLERMAN. Swimmer Sustains Injuries. Accident at Aquarium. NEW YORK. Feb. 3. Miss Annette Kellerman, the well-known swimmer, formerly of Australia..." Also, interestingly, the main title header of German Wikipedia's entry is "Annette Kellerman", not "Kellermann". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:48, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 January 2022