Talk:Deathgrind

message: I suggest deathgrind be merged with goregrind, and porno grind also be merged into goregrind. There is no need for two pages, just because someone is at variance with popular opinion. the most commonly used term is Goregrind, and they both refer to the same music.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.238.231.220 (talk) 07:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Both articles say the "subgenre" is a fusion of death metal and grindcore without talking about any difference between the two. They should merge, with goregrind being the label and noting that it's sometimes known as deathgrind. 24.85.113.197 (talk) 01:11, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

text: That is simply your opinion. Do you have a source for this? Currently we have Danny Lilker, Terrorizer and Zero Tolerance specifically distinguishing between the two. I wouldn't object to a general merger to "grindcore subgenres" or the like to avoid cluttering the mainpage, but there is no way that goregrind and deathgrind are going to be referred to as synonyms, based on the sources already present in the article. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 12:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Yeah, but we don't cite "hardcore followings of metalheads", we cite professional journalists. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 12:16, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deathgrind is a less used term for Goregrind 

message: Isn't it obvious to anyone who listens to Goregrind and Deathgrind, or even anyone who reads the descriptions of both, that they are the same, just described slightly differently. They are both combination of Death Metal and Grindcore, and no legitimate criteria has been developed to distinguish between them. We should merge both articles, probably into a page credited as "Deathgrind/Goregrind"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.201.79 (talk) 09:10, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging

message: http://www.anus.com/metal/about/styles/ is viewing deathgrind from another perspective. They say it's death metal without the complex song structures due to grindcore influences.
Deathgrind "Tag":
http://www.last.fm/tag/deathgrind 
http://rateyourmusic.com/genre/deathgrind
not much, but something --Emmaneul 19:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: http://www.mininova.org/tor/539928 - this torrent is about deathgrind band
it had about 1000 downloads  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.93.250 (talk) 17:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DEATHGRIND has some popularity  

message: Ok, there are two very good sources cited on this page. The statement "Cattle Decapitation, a 'deathgrind' metal band once affiliated with the Locust" is in a very short New York Times listing. And, from the Daily Tar Heel: "The album's 14 songs are all brutal artillery blasts of pure and absolute death metal fury without all those wanky melodic guitar solos. The band's (Pig Destroyer's) own description of its style as "deathgrind" seems perfectly suited."
So based on this, we can say that Cattle Decapitation and Pig Destroyer are both described as deathgrind, and that deathgrind is characterized by "brutal artillery blasts" of death metal without melodic guitar solos. That's all that can be substantiated. This information has already been incorporated into the grindcore article.
The article, however, says this: Deathgrind (also known as death-grind or death/grind) is a mixture of the intensity, speed, and brevity of grindcore and the complexity of death metal. It differs from death metal in that guitar solos are often a rarity, shrieked vocals are more prominent as the main vocal style (though death grunts are still utilized and some deathgrind bands make more use of the latter vocal style), and songs are generally shorter in length, usually between one and three minutes. It is usually the band's aim to play high tempo and atonal music with little to no slower passages. But this style differs from grindcore in the far more technical approach and less evident hardcore punk influence and aesthetics. It is important to note that the genre does not include grindcore groups that later became death metal groups, such as Carcass and Napalm Death, though the latter's latest offerings, The Code Is Red...Long Live the Code and Smear Campaign, may be considered deathgrind.
Notable deathgrind bands include Asesino, Assück, Brujeria, Cattle Decapitation[1], Cephalic Carnage, Soilent Green, later Nasum, Pig Destroyer[2], Circle of Dead Children, Rotten Sound, Exhumed, Leng Tch'e, and Impaled."
All of this is original research. Why aren't Carcass and Napalm Death deathgrind? Is it even accurate to say that Napalm Death "became a death metal group"? I don't think it's that straightforward. Why would ND's last two albums be considered deathgrind? It's a mystery, because its just the opinion of an anonymous editor. I like Leng Tch'e, and they are a grindcore band that borrows from death metal (like many grind groups), but I've never heard them referred to as deathgrind by a reliable source.
I'm going to start removing original research, and eventually this article should be redirected to grindcore if more sources can't be found. Aryder779 (talk) 21:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What can actually be done with this page? 

message: OK, so this has been recreated by an IP. I'm actually fairly happy with this... give me a couple of days and I'll try and get it into a decent stub state. I think the goregrind page is now a perfectly passable stub (troubled only by people name-dropping bands without sources); I'll keep looking for more sources anyway. I also had a stab at removing all the OR from the pornogrind page; that is unlikely to ever get beyond stub stage, but there are probably enough sources to avoid deletion or merge. Any help as always appreciated. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 12:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: why even bother with a deathgrind page when most of the bands on the list have nothing in common with each other. for example, listen to origin, then listen to terrorizer and tell me how the two could possibly have ANYTHING in common, let alone enough to be lumped into the same genre.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abolishthedarkness (talk • contribs) 06:38, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Recreation

message: let's remove all blatantly death metal bands like origin and fleshgod apocalypse ok. let's stick to bands that are blatantly deathgrind and not include any bands that have very little grind influence. Abolishthedarkness (talk) 06:45, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is sourced, it stays. That is how Wikipedia works... it is concerned with verifiability, not whatever you happen to think "truth" is. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 13:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ok i'll bite. show me 10 seconds of a fleshgod apocalypse song that sound like it has ANYTHING to do with grind whatsoever. just 10 seconds. 67.121.224.96 (talk) 02:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, your interpretation of grindcore would qualify as original research and unfortunately in the long run would not hold up against verified reliable sources.--WaltCip (talk) 13:02, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: sigh... go to any site that defines grindcore, see what they say about the style of riffs and you'll see that that style of riffs is not present in bands like origin and fleshgod apocalypse. it's just not. they have no punk/thrash/crust influence in the least.67.121.224.96 (talk) 06:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: list

message: get this. there is not one single isolated reference to grindcore on the page that supposedly "sources" fleshgod apocalypse being deathgrind. now can we get rid of them, seeing as they're blatantly non-grind? 67.121.224.96 (talk) 06:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: fleshgod apocalypse

message: I changed their formation date from 1992 to their actual 1987 formation date.  They couldn't have formed in 92' when they have releases going back to 89'.
Just thought I'd say it, so wikipedia doesn't try to ban me for not "talking" about it first.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheoFleury89 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch! Their Allmusic bio agrees with your 1987 date. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 16:48, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assuck's date of formation 

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