Talk:National Crime Syndicate

message: They didn't call themselves that, did they? - Richardcavell 23:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The very idea that the entire national criminal element formed a single group is rather hard to believe and likely press-created as well. This should be emphasized a little more in the article, that the only real evidence of it's existence is from the press and history books on the mob (which may in turn take their information from the press). 174.112.18.193 (talk) 01:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who called it that? 

message: In my opinion, for even a basic rewrite, it should be clarified "what" the National Crime Syndicte is. From what I've read on the subject, a crime syndicate differs from traditional crime families and run more as a corporate structure. The differences between the Chicago Outfit and the Five Families is a perfect example of this. Whereas Italian-American based crime famlies from Sicilian mafiosi (ex. keeping membership to Italians) to the Chicago Outfit's open membership. It could very well be the Chicago Outfit, also largely dominated by Italian and Jewish mobsters, might be attributed to the Chicago Outfit itself. MadMax 04:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it's not really clear to me whether the syndicate - even if you accept that something like that existed at some point - had much of a structure at all. I guess the problem with the NCS generatlly would be one of reliable sources. You know, I will try to get ahold of Kennedy's book, the one he wrote when he was on the McClellan commission, when I have a chance as I have been a bit snowed under recently.--Mantanmoreland 13:40, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

text: *An obvious question seems to be if there ever was an actual National Crime Syndicate at one point, it begs the question what happened to it and where is it now ? I would assume any "combine" jointly controlled by Lansky and Luciano surely would have ended folowing their deaths ? MadMax 23:51, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually Bobby Kennedy wrote a book about the Teamsters in which he might have dealt with the Syndicate. I'll see if I can find a copy.--Mantanmoreland 14:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition

message: I've taken out the last paragraph because it appears to be original research. There has been a "fact" tag at the end for quite a while but it was never sourced. Also it is dubious because the Appalachin meeting consisted entirely of Mafia people and had no non-Italians. 
I agree that this article definitely needs more from the "pro" camp to balance off the Lacey quote, but it needs to be from a reliable and verifiable source. I have some books in the house that may present the other side of the picture, and I will track em down and insert quotes to balance out the article. --Mantanmoreland 17:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last paragraph 

message: Incidentally I just looked in Joe Bonnano's book "Man of Honor," and he makes no reference to a National Crime Syndicate. The closest he comes is to say, "Luciano was iconoclastic also in that he had no qualms about working with non-Sicilians." Isn't that true of all the other "mafia" memoirs that have come out in recent years - that they don't mention a "syndicate" encompassing Italians and non-Italian mobsters? The impression I get is that "National Crime Syndicate" was a term used in the fifties, and perpetuated by some writers who focused on Lansky, but that it has not stood the test of time. --Mantanmoreland 17:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turncoat memoirs and the NCS

message: Somebody just inserted "also known as the Commission" in the first paragraph. This confuses the vague and possibly nonexistent entity that is the subject of this article with the well-documented Mafia Commission. --Mantanmoreland 18:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Commission" it is not 

message: From article: In his 1991 biography of Meyer Lansky, Little Man, journalist Robert Lacey argues that no National Crime Syndicate ever existed. "[J. Edgar] Hoover's personal position, that the Mafia did not exist, has proven to be as erroneous as the Kefauver's Committee's belief in a national conspiracy."
Is that a quote from the book? Is it related? Please make this clear or erase the quote. 128.248.162.80 (talk) 02:40, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote in Introduction 

message: I removed info I had originally added myself. Mainly because of something I read in a book once (it was the organized crime encyclopedia by Jay Robert Nash I think) and I just misunderstood it. the National Crime Syndicate isn't different a different organization from the Italian  Mob/La Cosa Nostra of today. I thought it was different mainly because today's mob doesn't seem to have a Jewish organized crime element on the Commission or Murder, Inc. It seems to be exclusively Italian OC. I think that's just how it evolved. So I changed my own thing I added. If I'm wrong, change it back.71.194.114.35 (talk) 01:50, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Same thing as the italian mob/cosa nostra