Talk:Nigga

message: It means your cool: that is what that word means...the n word with the "a" at the end.  The n word with the R at the end means your a slave. Capspiderum (talk) 23:11, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Capspiderum that's not at all what that means this isn't urban dictionary this is Wikipedia PlasmaticGrain (talk) 06:18, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

text: Nigga 2605:B100:91D:531E:507C:49B8:8DEB:4038 (talk) 16:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The n word 

message: This was definitely written by a white person lol Tzauarner (talk) 13:52, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: RIGHT?! Grokante (talk) 14:00, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Please consider reviewing the article history and contributing improvements to the article where you see fit. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 21:46, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Author of the article 

message: "Nigga" and "Faggot" should be treated with parity. 
Requests:
- Change title of the article from "Nigga" to "Nigga (slang)
- Remove the word "vulgar" in the first line of the articleGrokante (talk) 13:59, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: A parenthetical qualifier is not required in the title as it is not ambiguous, unlike Faggot which is ambiguous; see WP:DAB. Note the title is italic, indicating that it is a word-as-a-word; see WP:ITALICTITLE and MOS:WAW. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 21:42, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs to be treated with parity 

message: The term "nigga" is used for black men and some mannish women. Thousands of hip-hop songs make this clear. For example, the "Pressurelicious" song has lyrics saying, "Niggas admire the way that I'm built, might let him spank it..." 2601:C4:C300:A210:49AB:812C:8413:BF36 (talk) 19:50, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Without reliable sources discussing the claim; that is original research, which has no place in this encyclopedia. It should also be noted that "him" appears to reference the admirer, not the admired, thus fails to serve as an example of the claim. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 02:06, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a basic definition. For example, Larry Wilmore would call the Barack Obama "my nigga" https://time.com/4316322/larry-wilmore-obama-n-word/ while Wilmore wouldn't call (female) Michelle Obama "nigga". Here is an academic article that repeats what every American speaker is aware of: this word is "(usually from a male to or about a male") https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4954799/ I have seen the label applied to masculine women, but this is not common. In rap song, males are called "niggas" while females are called "bitches."--2601:C4:C300:A210:49AB:812C:8413:BF36 (talk) 02:54, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I see now that you are pointing out that the subjects are usually those considered male or  and that the article currently does not make this clear; correct? This may be a fair point. I would suggest beginning to tackle this by checking for gender references in the sources already used; the article may already be armed with the information required to correct it, if a correction is apt. It is entirely possible that this article has suffered the effects of androcentrism (or perhaps a more suitable descriptor for the phenomenon) and the, perhaps common, understanding that nigga is a primarily male oriented term (like bro or dude) has been incorrectly overlooked. I'll certainly take a look myself later (I was minutes away for going to sleep and just checking my watchlist for possible vandalism) but feel free to do the work yourself if you feel you can. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 06:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

text: Ah, yes, protected page ... sorry; sleepy. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 06:27, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

text: I haven't forgotten this and will get around to it if no one else picks up the challenge. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 16:51, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Designation for men 

message: In 2001, "Hip-Hop Minister", and former Nation of Islam Minister, Conrad Tillard feuded with Def Jam founder Russell Simmons,  saying Simmons stoked violence by allowing the common use of words such as "nigga" in rap lyrics.[I just shortened it a bit -12 6]Yvonne Bynoe (2006). Encyclopedia of Rap and Hip-hop Culture 2603:7000:2143:8500:79D7:90DB:F71F:1BD5 (talk) 23:23, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Had a quick look (responding to a legit edit request requires due diligence) and frankly I can't make head nor tail of the NYPress ref (would need more time to evaluate than I have right now), can't read the NYTimes ref because it requires a subscription, and haven't read the book so am missing context. I assume you'd like this tidbit to go in "Cultural influence"? Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 00:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Yes, Cultural influences seems the apt section, as it is where there is the greatest discussion of the phrase in rap/hip hop. The Encyclopedia of Rap and Hip-hop Culture at page 356 says "Muhammad (who is now a Christian minister known by his birth name, Conrad Tillard) accused Simmons of condoning violence by refusing to curtail the frequent use of terms such as “ nigga ” and “ bitch ” in rap lyrics." Though not formerly cited - and it refers to a different spelling - supportive of this disagreement having taken place is the reference here at p. 229 in R&B, Rhythm and Business; The Political Economy of Black Music (2002). The NYT ref and NYPress refs can be dispensed with, inasmuch as they speak of the feud between the two but not of the word itself.2603:7000:2143:8500:2446:8158:55F9:494B (talk) 04:09, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the extra info. I added an  to the NYTimes ref as it bypassess the subscription (handy side effect of the good practice). I went looking for more context and discovered that Tillard's article has recently been dramatically altered and have asked on the talk page if any conflict of interest should be declared. I'm going to ask the same thing here and now; Any conflicts of interest need declaring? Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 12:01, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No conflicts of interest exist - I don't use the word or know the people involved or belong to the Nation or churches mentioned .. I sometimes listen to the music. And I edit what interests me; if needed be and if interested (these are interesting), extensively. 2603:7000:2143:8500:8523:581D:6E5C:E100 (talk) 18:46, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Good to hear; makes life simpler :) I've started my process of understanding the subject and will make the edit once I'm confident. Peter Noel for The Village Voice provided a clear statement of the issue with context. Gimme time; not long awake. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 14:48, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The Village Voice article is a good source that could more or less carry this on its own, IMO. Cheers --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:54, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers. Currently absorbing a C-Span Hip-Hop Summit 2001 talk while establishing chronological context. I feel like this article from MTV about KRS-One "condemning negative rap imagery at Hip-Hop Summit" might also help. So many tabs open right now, I'm disproving the meme that Chrome is a resource hog ;) Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 16:02, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add .. 

message: Given that The Autobiography of an Ex-Colored Man is a work of fiction, I'm not sure that its text can properly be referred to - as is the case now in the article, referring to a fictional conversation in the book -- documenting the use of the word within the black community. I do understand that it reflects (rather than documents) the use of the word in fiction, at the time it was written. Lmk if you see this differently. 2603:7000:2143:8500:2992:7305:2C19:C33E (talk) 05:15, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I can see your point, I can't think how the statement would require fixing; it's not itself inaccurate or misleading, and we shouldn't assume the reader assumes the book is anything other than what it is. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to qualify "the 1912 book>novel". Perhaps a non-fictional document of usage from that era or earlier is ideal to lend perspective to the usage as claimed in the fictional work. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 14:58, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That would help. Since it is presented as an autobiography, the presumption would IMHO naturally otherwise be that is it non-fiction. The importance is that fiction need not reflect actual usage. Just as an Asimov science fiction book in 1980 would not reflect actual interplanet voyages of that year--2603:7000:2143:8500:79D2:6917:914C:97A2 (talk) 18:23, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've switched out book for novel but am having trouble concentrating right now so I'm hands off until I'm firing on more cylinders. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 20:08, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fiction 

message: I'm not sure what usage is earliest, but here is a usage in an 1800 play. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Aunt_Dinah_s_Pledge/n26eo6fmhpQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Nigga&pg=PA10&printsec=frontcover
And here is a usage in a song in 1840: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Lucy_Neale_s_Nigga_Warbler/jnhWAAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Nigga&printsec=frontcover It seems there were many songs that used it.
And here is usage in an 1853 book. https://www.google.com/books/edition/New_York/DOPeqZQP2D8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Nigga&pg=PA117&printsec=frontcover 2603:7000:2143:8500:79D2:6917:914C:97A2 (talk) 18:48, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earliest usages 

message: 2607:FB91:481:956B:41DF:7D85:DA87:8E82 (talk) 17:59, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. And yes, a reliable source will be required. Xan747 (talk) 18:06, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2023