Talk:List of characters in Red vs. Blue/Archive 1

message: Where did this bit of trivia come from? I never heard it. I'm actually dissapointed in myself that I never heard it. :) Unless it means through the translation of Andy, in which case it needs to be specified or changed to "Unknown". -- Viewdrix 22:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed it to unknown for the time being. I don't remember hearing it officially mentioned either. — TKD::Talk 11:03, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: That was my impression too Dac 00:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  N. Zellner is the Alien's voice? 

message: I forget whether we've discussed this before, shouldn't Captain Flowers be in the One-time characters section? I understand that he was on the Blue Team but he is still simply a one shot character after only appearing in Episode 50. The Filmaker 18:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, Captain Flowers should be moved to the One Shot character section.  As memorable as his appearance was, he was just like Phil, on screen to provide some momentary laughter, but killed off before we could develop any emotional attachment.  Let the Flowers die.  --LifeStar 19:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. It was brought up briefly when the characters page was split (see Talk:Red vs Blue/Archive4#Splitting up character page). My thought in proposing the move was that he was a bona-fide (if short-lived) member of the Blood Gulch Blue Team, whereas all of the other one-time characters are decidedly unaffiliated. I can, however, see valid reasons for moving him back down, and I'd be fine with it if someone could come up with a good section heading other than "Blood Gulch Blue Team". :-) — TKD::Talk 05:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How 'bout just "Blue Team" and "Red Team" no need specify their location. The Filmaker 18:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Captain Flowers

message: Is there criteria that stops some of the characters from having appearance counts? I understand not counting the appearances of main cast on both teams, and maybe even Doc, as at least once they're introduced, they show up in most episodes. But is is just that no one's tried yet, or that they're considered main characters now, that Andy and the Alien, for instance, don't have counts? -- Viewdrix 14:16, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The way I thought of it is in three levels. Main characters. Main supporting characters. And all the rest. People like Grif, Sarge, Church, Doc, and Tucker, they are main characters. Andy, Shelia, and Lopez (debatable) are main supporting characters, meaning that they are supporting but they are in almost every episode, therefore good enough to be "main". The characters that are "the rest" are the ones who get appearance counts. i.e. the Grunts, Red Zealot, Gary (almost supporting, but they left him at Zanzibar), Wyoming, Vic, everyone in the One-time characters section, and (now that you mention it) the Alien. We probably didn't add appearances because it appeared (yeah I said it twice) that the Alien was a permenant character. The Filmaker 00:13, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'll add Alien appearances. I'd personally find it more straight-froward if all but the core 4 members of each team, Lopez, and Sheila got appearance counts. Lopez and Sheila are the only minor characters to appear since near the very beginning, so in my opinion, it makes sense to let them go without counts. But if we were to add anymore, Doc and Andy in my opinion seem like the first candidates. Any thoughts? -- Viewdrix 21:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've thought about it, and I don't have a really strong feeling either way. I wouldn't even mind extending it to Lopez and Sheila. Lopez is absent for most of season 4, and Sheila for most of season 3. — TKD::Talk 03:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Extending it to Lopez and Sheila might be pushing it a bit - they are still major players in the whole conflict.  The line would have to be drawn at Doc, though, because except for Vic, every other character was introduced in Seasons Three and Four, including Andy, so it's probably a bit late for them. Dac 09:13, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding Andy. -- Viewdrix 19:58, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearances 

message: Just out of curiosity, could Lopez's robot army be classed as one time characters (or, whatever...you know what I mean) and be in that section in the character page?  I was about to add them but thought I should ask first.  I mean, they did more than someone like Phil or Mickey did, and those two have their notes. -- CapDac
:Hmm. Good point. They do appear in more than one episode. Go ahead and write something up if you want. Shouldn't be more than a few sentences. — TKD::Talk 03:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, done.  Probably a bit longer than it should've been, but you guys can edit it as you see fit.  I didn't know if Burnie Burns did their voices as well so I left that part out. Dac 07:58, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've edited a bit. Keep in mind that fiction is generally narrated in the present tense, unless you're referencing a different point in time relative to another frame of reference in the fiction. — TKD::Talk 11:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that'll come with experience.  Out of curiosity, did they ever say which device O'Malley was after? Dac 12:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. I guess we never really found out what he was making in the fortress. Anyway, I shortened and reworded the section. -- Viewdrix 19:58, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lopez's robot army

message: Well i went looking on the RvB forum, and the name Cecil kept appearing. This character was normally meant to explain the random character that you see on certain scenes in the background when someone is talking. Of course some have been seen to be Donut and Caboose doing things, like Donut was on the wheel in Zanzibar when Chruch was talking to Tucker, and Caboose was playing with the gun turrent. But of course it could be the camera man guy, they forgot to move.
Just wondering if this should be raised as a character?
:I remember seeing him in Caboose's mind, I just always assumed it was O'Malley getting into position.  Lopez also comes under that heading, because for a lot of Season One he was just wandering around aimlessly.  Still, I don't think Cecil is canon. - Dac 23:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cecil actually began as a sponsor in-joke. Unofficially, he is officially "Caboose's twin brother", who switches in for Caboose at random moments and stands around not talking. But to further confuse non-sponsors (and now, as the joke's been let out to non-sponsors, simply anyone who doesn't know who Cecil really is), "It's Cecil!" is a joke answer whenever a question is raised about someone standing in the background. He's not actually canon. Furthermore, I think we should have a standard of only including characters that are acknowledged by other characters. ;) -- Viewdrix 00:07, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cecil? 

message: Watching the Season 2 Commentary they had Leonard - Caboose's mental image of Church - penned down pretty well, and I was wondering if he could qualify for a section.
:I believe the "Caboose's mind" characters have been brought up for discussion before, and the concensus was that it was more worth bringing it up in Caboose's description to show how demented his view is, instead of risking a slippery slope where we could end up with 8 sections mirroring the entire Red and Blue core teams. I think a point about them not being physical characters was brought up as well. But maybe a section that combines all of Caboose's mind's characters is worth thinking about. I wouldn't mind if it was well written, though as there's little to know about each character/mental image, there's a serious risk of newbie editors wishing to expand the section with quotes and gags that aren't necessary to the character description (like how in the previous edit, someone added the "This quote triggers Church to punch Grif" info to Max Gaine's description, or here, for instance, to develop Mental Donut's description, they may add in every line he/she says, such as asking for tampons). -- Viewdrix 20:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the only reason I brought up Leonard was because, unlike the other inhabitants of Caboose's mind, he was projected to actually be a fully-blown character, rather than just appearing in one or two episodes, but owing to time restraints he was cut back just that much more. Dac 02:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought it was cut because they thought having two versions of Church, plus the body-swapping on the Red Team would have been too over-the-top, not strictly because of time reasons. It's worth a mention in the section on Caboose where his mental misconceptions of the others are enumerated, but I agree with Viewdrix that a full-blown section for Leonard himself would probably be a bit much, and, on top of that, rather confusing to the casual reader. — TKD::Talk 11:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leonard? 

message: Just wanted to document my reasoning for removing a few bits:
*Andy: I removed the part about his accidental revelation of the Alien embroys, because that seemed better suited to (and mostly redundant with) the bit in the Alien's section.
*Alien: I removed the explicit reference that the Alien standing over Tucker caused the pregnancy, because (so far) it has not been stated explicitly that that was when the Alien impregnated him. However, I tried to make a strong implicit connection apparent by stating the facts, so that any reasonable reader would make that apparent conclusion.
*The Red Zealot: "Easily recognisable" and a having a distinct voice is somewhat subjective. However, it is true that he is more staunchly religious than the other Grunts.
— TKD::Talk 11:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andy/Alien/RZ updates 

message: How about we just drop the "Full name: Unknown" bullet off of the Alien summary completely? It seems to beg unknowing editors to change it to Crunchbite, Honk-Honk, etc. It could easily be passed off that, hey, he's an Alien, we shouldn't really expect a full name. If we left the bullet off, I doubt people would wonder what his full name was, and more importantly, I really doubt that the aforementioned kind of editors would add the bullet back in, since I doubt they would check the history and/or know it had ever been there in the first place. Furthermore, his various names are written into the summary, so it doesn't seem like any information's missing to the readers, unlike "Full name: Unknown", which seems to cry for "improvement" from all the people that keep changing it. -- Viewdrix 14:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea. I'll go do it now.--Drat (Talk) 15:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick suggestion. 

message: Sorry, Dac, but I am reverting the recent additions to Wyoming. The only real evidence that I can find of Wyoming's "interest" in Tex is that he cals her "dear" in episode 42. But that seems to be ssaid in a sort of sarcastic sense. In general, I'd say that his "polite"ness in general is more artificial than anything else. I feel that it's probably best not to mention it at all, since there's no hard evidence either way as to where his words lie on the spectrum of sincerity. — TKD::Talk 11:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I can understand the Tex thing getting sliced...but sincerity aside, he is always polite to everyone.  He apologised to both Phil and Tucker before trying to kill them, and he did apologise to Tex after tying her up.  And he always greets everyone cheerfully enough.  Still, if that's how you see it, go ahead, I guess. Dac 05:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not disagreeing that he does it. I just tried to re-insert the gist of what you might have been trying to get at originally, but such that it doesn't claim whether it's sincere or not. How does it look? — TKD::Talk 11:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's good.  Probably could've also worked in his cheerful greetings, but no matter.  Good work Dac 21:52, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wyoming 

message: Is it really necessary to keep the citation under Zellner being the voice of the Alien to the official site, now that the DVD is released and clearly states it in the credits? Dac 08:21, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not; it's definitely uncontroversial. I removed it. — TKD::Talk 07:02, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nathan Zellner 

message: I don't know the series but accidentally I fall in this article and definitely there is a mistakke in the translation above. Heavy translates into Pesado but if Lopez is a female then it should be translated as Lopez la Pesada. On the other hand Pasado translates as Past. Perhaps someone which knows better the series can fix the error. Mariostorti 13:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be "la Pesado". Someone apparently changed it at some point. The gender mismatch is intentional. — TKD::Talk 13:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Changed it, you were right. The series is known for terrible, terrible Spanish translations, but someone made a typo on the Wiki page. Thanks. -- Viewdrix 13:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added  to the "corrected" version. Probably should've been there in the first place. — TKD::Talk 14:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad translation "Lopez the Heavy" -> "Lopez la Pasado" 

message: I'm not going to engage in an edit war over this, nor go past 3 reverts (3 Revert Rule). I'm too tired, and I need sleep. I've asked another user to add in his thoughts on the matter.--Drat (Talk) 17:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Assumptions are not for Wikipedia. Furthermore, who was Sarge speaking to over the radio? Vic. Caboose said the Reds used the radio, not that O'Malley infected a Red specifically, and furthermore, how would Caboose know who got infected? O'Malley could just as easily have infected Vic somehow (hey, just because he doesn't have AI slots because he doesn't have armor doesn't mean Rooster Teeth won't make a continuity mistake). Then there's the whole Donut/"foreshadowing" commentary debate that came up a while ago, as Donut came behind Sarge and aimed at Sarge's head after it was announced O'Malley was gone, while on the commentary they could possibly have hinted Donut was infected. Wait until season 5. -- Viewdrix 01:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with Drat and Viewdrix here. We got burned last season by writing that Doc was seemingly killed by the Alien. There's no reason to risk incorrectness when there's a plausible possibility that something else might have really happened. And, yes, I know that the characters articles need a good comb-through to pick out any further original research. — TKD::Talk 04:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if O'Malley can only jump through the radio, then Caboose saying the Reds used the radio is the equal to saying O'Malley jumped into a red.  Voicingmaster 01:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There could be another character whose radio was on. A sufficient condition doesn't necessarily imply that it's the only condition. — TKD::Talk 02:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but the only people there who had radios were the Reds, the Blues, and Doc.  And we know O'Malley jumped out of Doc, so it has to be a Red or a Blue.  And since we also know it isn't a Blue, it has to be a Red.  Voicingmaster 02:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omalley's new host 

message: To explain why I removed some recent additions to this article:
*Lopez: No and OK are prevalent in Spanish as well as English (OK is a semi-universal signal); that's part of the joke that Grif doesn't understand. It's still pure speculation as to whether Lopez can speak English at all.
*Doc: Doc says that his green light causes impotency, but never mentions length of exposure required, and there's no definite indication that it actually did cause impotency; Church doesn't really care to press the matter. Besides, it's not really that important (yet). — TKD::Talk 23:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was pretty obvious that from what Doc said, the green light made Church impotent.  For one, Doc apologises to Church for making him impotent.  There would be no reason to apologise if it didn't.  And then Church comments he wasn't using it anyway, which pretty much confirms it.  Voicingmaster 02:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion of additions, [[June 27]], [[2006]] 

message: the warthog in the series in all articles is called chupathingy. Please explain to me why the alien is not called crunch bite he is called that twice in the series —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.61.65.64 (talk • contribs) .
:The Warthog as Chupathingy is supported by its character profile on the season 3 DVD. In all serious commentary, Rooster Teeth refers to the Alien as just the Alien. "Crunchbite" is a name that only Caboose uses; no one else refers to the Alien as anything but the Alien. — TKD::Talk 08:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of how 'cool' it sounds, it was never intended to be a real name for it, so it isn't going to be official. Dac 06:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alien 

message: I reverted 203.51.93.106's additions to the O'Malley section because:
*There's far too much detail. Even a standalone character page probably wouldn't require that much plot summary; some parts only tangentially deal with O'Malley. 
*It's written entirely in-universe, without any references. See WP:WAF for why this is not recommended.
*There are elements of original research, such as calling Doc "new age" and the robot army "super-slow".
*Some parts are inaccurate:
**"At some point over the years in Tex's mind O'Malley became somewhat sentient and able to make decisions and have ideas of his own." — No evidence that he wasn't sentient before.
**O'Malley does not hit Tucker; Church does. Watch episode 51 again.
**The Red vs Blue universe is not the "real world". No fictional universe is.
— TKD::Talk 02:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rationale for reverting additions to the O'Malley section 

message: How to treat them. Anyone who's been watching knows we've already had two new actual characters, a cameo by Jimmy, Australian variations on the Grunts and a good chance of more. Should the new characters get sections as recurring (as it seems they will be at least in the rest of OoM); should Jimmy be moved to recurring for his short cameo; should we create an Out of Mind section? -- Viewdrix 20:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This entire page needs an overhaul. I would say not to create a separate OoM section because it occurs within the same fictional universe, and it's only 5 episodes. Move Jimmy if you want, but eventually I plan to spin off the more notable characters to their own pages (don't do this right now unless they have enough out-of-universe information to justify a separate article). — TKD::Talk 03:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of Mind characters 

message: I've rewritten the Jimmy article for Out of Mind and moved it to the reccuring characters section, as I find it highly unlikely that the filmmakers were not refering to the original Jimmy from the first season. While he was only seen once, the filmmakers have refered to the skull found in Halo 2 as Private Jimmy numerous times. I doubt that they would forget that they had another character named Jimmy from a previous episode, otherwise the character's entrance into the episode (OOM: Part II) would be completely out of place and unnneccesary. The Filmaker 21:13, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno, his voice and accent sound extremely different in Out of Mind... Dac 22:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's because of the lack of filter in Out of Mind compared to season 1. I agree with Filmmaker, I doubt that they'd use the name Jimmy absentmindedly forgetting the season 1 character. I doubt they'd even make up a new name for such a throwaway character. -- Viewdrix 23:22, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, everybody sounds different throughout the seasons.  Especially Sarge and Donut, that doesn't mean that the Reds got a a new sergeant and private. Voicingmaster 03:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Private Jimmy 

message: Please see Talk:Red vs Blue#Requested move for discussion. — TKD::Talk 16:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move proposal

message: Has anyone seen anything that says who York's voice actor is?  Listening to him I'm pretty sure it's Geoff Ramsey but I want to know if there's a canonical source to cite first. Dac 23:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen anything for voice actors for York or Delta. Geoff's voice sounds a little too nasal to be York, but I could be wrong on that. My first guess on Delta would actually be Paul Marino, but the voice filter is so thick that it could actually be Burnie. Either way, it's speculation at this point. — TKD::Talk 12:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the filter on Delta was light enough in some parts that it sounded like Matt. As for York, I don't know what he sounds like, but Paul Marino playing a part after all this time seems possible and likely. Or it's just another friend of Rooster Teeth's, like Jimmy. -- Viewdrix 14:09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In Episode Four I thought the accent sounded identical to the way Geoff rolls over some words as Grif, made me think maybe they lowered the pitch, like the opposite of what they did with the Grunts. Dac 22:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: York's voice actor

message: I checked the commentary and couldn't find anything with Megatron in it Dac 04:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I've removed it for now. I started to take notes from the DVD commentaries, but a move and general lack of time have put that on hold. I don't even have my DVD player hooked back up yet. I thought that I vaguely remembered something to that effect, but wasn't sure. Thanks for verifying. — TKD::Talk 05:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Megatron?

message: On the RvB forums there's been some speculation that Gary may have been Wyoming's AI, as Gary (Ga-Re) could be formed from "Gamma-Reginald" in the same way O'mally was formed from "Omega-Allison" and the link to knock knock jokes.
Is it worth adding this to Gary/Wyoming's sections or should it be rejected as speculation?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bisected8 (talk • contribs) .
:It's wild speculation, and as such doesn't belong. Besides, Gary was around at least 1000 years before the original two seasons.--Drat (Talk) 12:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OKBisected8 14:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You might as well say that AI Delta and Andy are brothers lol.Doncroft 03:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ga-Re" Speculation? 

message: As far as I'm aware, this 'team name', if it can be called that, has not been mentioned in the series, so wouldn't putting a whole section of this page under that heading count as original research? Dac 02:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably, although a subheading for those "affiliated with O'Malley" may be acceptable. I've restored the old list structure for now. — TKD::Talk 07:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Team Omega?

message: Why is the warthog in the article as chupathingy? It was the last thing Sarge lists in episode 2 or something, but they always refer to it as the warthog don't they? And about the sentience bit, I always thought the radio was tuned to that because Lopez was fixing it before they took it. That doesn't make any more sense, since Lopez is a robot and all... but it never seemed sentient to me. Anyway I think the topic should be called Warthog, and all the references to the name changed accordinglyDan Guan 01:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, except for those couple jokes in the beginning of season one, it was never referred to as anything other than a jeep or a warthog.  Plus, it never showed any form of sentience, all that was shown was that the warthog is nothing more than a jeep, with a few connections to Lopez that allow him to control it remotely.  Voicingmaster 01:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth, the Season 3 DVD profile lists the name as Chupathingy, so we use that. As for the music bit, it was really a one-off joke, so I removed it. — TKD::Talk 02:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing about the dvd is fair, but I think they put that in as a joke... When I was actually looking for the warthog, I didn't notice until I had looked for a few minutes, so I would suggest titling the subsection "Warthog" and saying it's aka the Chupathingy or something, to allow it to be useful. Dan Guan 19:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. I just noticed that the official website lists the character as the Warthog, which is good enough for me to change it. Barring any other objections in the next day or so, I think that we can change the name after that. — TKD::Talk 11:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. — TKD::Talk 14:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chupathingy? 

message: I noticed that Vic Jr. was listed as having an appearance in .  I can understand why people would think that, but it is actually the orinal Vic.  Since that recording was in Lopez's head since before the time jump, it would have to be the original Vic, since Vic Jr. Didn't exist back then to put those orders into Lopez.  Just thought I'd announce it here so somebody doesn't reverse my edit.  Voicingmaster 03:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it'd be referring to Sarge's call to Vic Jr. for backup, while the reds were under siege from Sheila.--Drat (Talk) 04:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vic 

message: Isn't he from Tex's past, and thus should've been destroyed with the present when Church's bomb went off? I think that this is a weird plot-hole. Should this be mentioned here? --Rabin 20:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've spoken with Jason's brother in the past and he says he asked Matt and Geoff the same question, and that was just a plothole.  Nothing we should really get worked up about.  Let's just leave it as is. Dac 21:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About York 

message: OK, whoever keeps reverting my information on the Grunts, please stop.  The information I put in is perfectly valid, it's not original research, or anything else, it's right there during the series.  As for too much information, why would you include those two Grunts with accents that are seen in Out of Mind, and simply ignore all the Grunts in existance?  That's just stupid.  Also, since the Red Zealot and those two Grunts with the accents are the only ones ever shown to never respawn, I think that is important information.  Voicingmaster 23:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I left in the notes about the Zealot and the guards not respawing but took out any information linking the other Grunts to Wyoming.  It was never explicitly stated that the rest of them worked for Wyoming so any claims that they did are original research.  Hence, I have removed them.  The two with the atypical accents - and in this case I don't think "atypical" is POV because it is blatantly obvious that they have different accents to the rest of the Grunts, therefore making atypical standing fact - are the only ones confirmed to be linked to Wyoming.  Dac 00:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's blatantly obvious the Grunts are linked to Whyoming.  There was three instances (four if you count the Red Zealot), where the Grunts were shown in the future.  Of those three, each and every time they were helping Whyoming.  The first time, they were guarding that fotress on Containment, Whyoming was there.  The second was those guys with the accents.  And the third time it was the O'Malley/Whyoming fortress on Relic.  There isn't a single place where the Grunts aren't seen as working with/for O'Malley/Whyoming.  Voicingmaster 01:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  It doesn't work like that.  Firstly, just because they were in the same location as Wyoming doesn't mean they were working with him.  Gary was in the same location as O'Malley and Lopez, doesn't mean he was working with them.  Secondly, and this is a thought that's just hit me, but I'm not so sure that the guys with accents and the two goons on Relic are actually Grunts.  The accents, for one, are different, they don't respawn, they don't exchange trash talk with each other.  Anyway, as I said before, there is nothing to suggest the main group of Grunts are in fact working with Wyoming.  There has been nothing to confirm this and so any suggestions that they are, are nothing more than original research.  Dac 02:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Gary is a computer, and is open to anybody who acesses him, which includes Lopez and O'Malley (unknwon what use they eventually got of him, but still, he was being used).  However, since the minions were never said to be part of the main Grunts, then the information in the Grunts article should be removed, and either put into Whyoming's article, or give the minions their own article, since now you are technically right, there is nothing to connect the minions with the Grunts, and any suggestions that they are connected is nothing more than original research and speculation.  Voicingmaster 03:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Grunts 

message: My note was removed on the basis that the characters were identical; I've watched that scene in high resolution many times over and have concluded it is indeed York, as the armour colour is identical and the grenade blows up on his left side, which is his bad side.  Just clearing that up.  I won't re-add it because I'm guessing someone will remove it on the grounds of original research, but just clearing that up. Dac 02:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but there is really no way of knowing if that specific one was York. As we saw in that scene, there many black and white agents.  It stands to reason that there could be more tan/silver agents other than York.  Until it is confirmed, it's impossible to know if that agent was York, or just some random extra that happened to be the same color as York (just like the tons of random extras that have the same color as Tex and Whyoming).  Voicingmaster 03:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: York in Out of Mind Part Two