Talk:The Passage (Battlestar Galactica)

message: OK, I think I've adequately covered the main plot of the episode, but I just can't figure out how to integrate the subplot of (spoiler warning) D'Anna Biers intentionally having herself killed and resurrected in order to get a glimpse of the afterlife, and Baltar's efforts to decipher what the Cylon hybrid is saying. Please help. --Kyoko 19:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I added the best parts of the Cylon's scene as well as I could. My TV sucks though and the speakers muffle some of the dialog when I crank the volume and so I miss many important details. Cyberia23 23:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: D'Anna Biers and Baltar subplots

message: I'm not sure, but I think when Starbuck approached the guy who knew Kat she called him "Enzo". I couldn't hear it very well. It didn't really sound like "hey you", and it appeared that she knew who the guy was to begin with. Anyone know for sure? Cyberia23 23:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Hey Enzo" - I think that is what she said.. sounds like it to me. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 00:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm looking for a character list at the moment to see if the actor is credited under that name. Cyberia23 00:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Confirmed - It's Enzo - according to SciFi.com Cyberia23 00:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The Closed Captioning also referred to him as Enzo. ZZ 14:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  He's also credited as Enzo as well in the credits on re-watch (Patrick Currie portrayed). Matthew 19:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kat's associate

message: I removed the section titled "Continuity", because it is pure speculation. 
:This episode introduces a possible inconsistency in Cylon physiology.  Athena is shown to be much more resistant to radiation poisoning than a human. (Although when this is pointed out by Apollo, Helo says "We think", meaning that they do not know that for certain.) This seems contrary to the mini-series, where the original copy of Leoben Conoy encountered in the munitions depot at Ragnar Anchorage is portrayed to be especially vulnerable to radiation. However, it should be noted that radiation comes in many different varieties, depending on the source, and it can be simply assumed that the Cylons were particularly vulnerable to the radiation type present at Ragnar Anchorage (hence the decision to build the station there), but have a much greater resistance to the radiation present in this episode. They might also be presumed resistant to the radiation which saturated Caprica following their nuclear attack on it, given that they settled there.''
This is about a "possible" inconsistency, based on what the characters "think" they know, which "seems" contrary to the miniseries, but only if the author "assumes" something about the types of radiation, which is supported by something the author "presumes" about the settling of Caprica. This has no place in Wikipedia. -- Ritchy 03:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the text is speculative and shouldn't be included.. it's fiction at the end of the day, I dispute it's relevancy/accuracy and so a consensus should be achieved prior to actually adding it. Matthew 12:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why the short text is speculative. In the miniseries, it is clear that Leoben/cylons are more sensitive to radiation ("The Cylons, more vulnerable to the radiation...", quote from Battlestar Galactica (TV miniseries)), while in this episode, Athena survives a radiation dose that would be deadly to humans. So absolutely no speculation (within the realms of the BSG universe at least, and that's what the article is about). Also, these statements are as accurate as you can get. As for relevancy, well, let's just delete all BSG episode guides from Wikipedia :-). However, embedding these plot problems into the article might be a better solution. So now I've answered your questions, please answer mine (see above). BTW I really don't think "science fiction" is an excuse for blatant continuity mistakes. See Hard Science Fiction for further info. -- NotInventedHere 13:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally don't consider it a continuity mistake (not without a source, at least) -- The radiation of Ragnar effected Leoben over a period of time, he became ill. The radiation Athena received is also over a period of time and it /does/ have a visible effect, note the radiation of Ragnar didn't kill Leoben. See this page. Matthew 13:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Ragnar on bsgwiki.com for Leoben/Cylon sensitivity to radiation (additionally to the miniseries article I already cited). See "The Passage" episode for the statement that Athena, as a cylon, ISN'T as sensitive to radiation as a human (when coming back from her trip and being decontaminated). As for nuclear radiation types (your link), alpha and beta radiation can't penetrate station/ship steel walls (only gamma can, at least in RL). But you are right, these types of inconsistencies are everywhere in BSG (see Cylons on a-bombed Caprica) so mentioning this here might be not the best idea. -- NotInventedHere 14:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  To be honest I know little about radiation (I just googled radiation types, and that was the second link.. had a .gov prefix and so used that one as a reference). The operative word is however "radiation", it's vague. To this end I propose that it would be better noted in the actual Cylon article. Matthew 15:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Continuity section