Talk:Jersey Dutch language

message: Could someone elaborate the relationship between Jersey Dutch and Pennsylvania Dutch?  Did they arise as two different dialects or were they one language divided by a river? 70.15.116.59 (talk) 17:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As the article states, Pennsylvania Dutch is of german origin. Jersey Dutch is from Dutch. Ad43 (talk) 09:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, maybe I should ask a different question.  The new American colonies were mostly English-speaking, with a small minority of settlers from Holland still holding on to the Dutch language.  Then comes a wave of immigrants from the Palatine region in western Germany - about as far away from Holland as New Jersey is from Pennsylvania, at a time when Dutch vs. German was much less differentiated.  So... what happened?  Did the German and Dutch communities mix freely, mix partially, or remain entirely separate?  Did the Dutch stay only in New Jersey while all the Germans moved on to Pennsylvania, or was there substantial overlap? 70.15.116.59 (talk) 17:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: It's somewhat off the top of my head, but I guess the latter. I think, different from the English, colonists, settlers and immigrants like the Dutch and Germans stuck much to their own territories and their own customs and/or religious communities. They were far less in number and had no outspoken imperialist objectives in these new areas. Ad43 (talk) 23:17, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Pennsylvania Dutch didn't really "move on" to Pennsylvania because most of them didn't live in New Jersey in the first place. They immigrated through Philadelphia for the most part. I'm sure there was probably trickles of movement back and forth, as there was a whole lot of mixing going on in colonial America in general, but for the most part the Jersey Dutch and the Pennsylvania Dutch were seperate communities just as much as they both respectively were from the mainstream English-speaking society.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.98.148.217 (talk) 21:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pennsylvania Dutch 

message: The article claims a Zeelandic or even e West Flemish basis for this dialect. The Prodigal Son sample seems to point in the direction of Hollandic instead: h- is present, and so are diphthongs ij and ui. All these sounds are absent from Zeelandic and West Flemish, as they are from Zeelandic-based creole languages in the Caribbean. Moreover, West Flemish speakers had little opportunity to settle in or around New Amsterdam in the 17th century, since they lived in the Spanish Netherlands, not in the Dutch Republic which undertook the colonisation. So where does this statement come from? Steinbach (talk) 18:33, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Based on Zeelandic? 

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message: This section is lacking, Neger is the dutch translation for a certain racist term starting with an 'N' also, Duits doesn't translate to dutch. It means German in dutch The JOJOLands (talk) 08:03, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: See the discussion above. The English word Dutch, and its equivalents Deutsch & Duits were until fairly recent times general terms for the whole of the West Germanic speaking people of Europe; it is only recently that the word Dutch has come to be limited in use to the Netherlands and Deutsch & Duits to what in present day English is called German. JBW (talk) 20:36, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negerduits 

message: *https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20191118-whats-left-of-new-yorks-dutch-past Djflem (talk) 18:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vestiges