Talk:Cleveland Cavaliers

message: ..January 2016, although the best results for the team two years.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.92.213.87 (talk) 22:44, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: David Blatt was fired

message: I have not been able to find a legitimate source from the Cavaliers that Shawn Marion is a member of the team. Why is he on the roster?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themanic23 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Shawn Marion

message: The current format of the history - as one large chunk with unclear distinctions between seasons and dates - needs reform. Other team pages have segmented their franchise history into "eras", and I think the same approach would be applicable here. Thoughts? - RfxSi
:I added some eras, feel free to change them or add to them Ben1283 18:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Franchise History organization 

message: does he own most of the team? or just part? if part how much?--Jaysscholar 03:05, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, he is a minority owner.....I am not sure the exact %, but I think it is not very much. BigMar992 03:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  usher 

message: I think there needs to be a section on TV and Radio commentary.  ESPECIALLY noting Joe Tate....I will do this eventually if no one does it before me. BigMar992 03:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, there should be recognition of Joe Tait, but there is already a Wikipedia stub for him. I feel the bulk of the material should go there. Hx823 (talk) 14:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broadcasting 

message: http://wapedia.mobi/en/Cleveland_Cavaliers
please watch because i think that's the same article
--86.32.148.186 16:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is. That's from Wapedia, a program for cell phones to access Wikipedia. --Tressif (talk) 02:46, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Article is copied 

message: This title seemed kind of biased to one player. I think that maybe some the like 'The Q ear' might work or something along those lines.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firesun (talk • contribs) 22:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, without LeBron, the Cavs are a mediocre to average team at best. With him they are a mid-level (3, 4, or 5 seed) playoff team. This era should go down as the "LeBron James Era".Hx823 (talk) 13:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The LeBron James era? 

message: What's up with the 2010 etc champs? Vandalism?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.23.50.91 (talk) 02:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Titles 

message: Add Lebron James to the Ground-Breaking Players Section of this article because he has over 14,000 youngest to awards
Beanzilla2 (talk) 21:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Beanzilla2, 1 April 2010 

message: Found in the last paragraph of The Lebron James Era:
"This is in accord with the sports law of Cleveland, which states teams are allowed to have a great lineup but only if they disappoint and never win a championship"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.178.246 (talk) 17:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleveland Quip 

message: There is vandalism towards the end of the "LeBron James Era" section.
The Cavaliers defeated the Chicago Bulls 4–1 in the first round of the 2010 NBA Playoffs but, in a huge upset, lost to the Boston Celtics after leading the series 2-1, with the Celtics proceeding to win 3 consecutive games. This is in accord with the sports law of Cleveland, which states teams are allowed to have a great lineup but only if they disappoint and never win a championship. 
164.107.215.161 (talk) 17:17, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 164.107.215.161, 15 May 2010 

message: the new cavs logo with the gold sword should replace the old one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Natevb96 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Cavs Logo 

message: Albert Hung is not an owner of the cleveland cavaliers and therefore should not be on the cavaliers page as an owner.
Clevelandcavalier (talk) 05:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done It seems that information was changed some time ago, but according to this article in The News Herald (Ohio) (the most recent I could find) Hung's planned purchase is yet to be completed and Katzman is still to sell his stake. AJCham 06:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Clevelandcavalier, 15 July 2010 

message: There are 3 more major minority owners. They are nate forbes, jeff cohen and steve rosenthal. These 3 are childhood friends, buieseness partners and part own mostly everything gilbert ownes including the cavaliers. There are many articles that include these 3 and gilbert proving my statment.
76.178.12.72 (talk) 23:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —AJCham 02:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 76.178.12.72, 26 July 2010 

message: Minority owners- Jeff Cohen (vice chair) Nate Forbes (vice chair) and Steve Rosenthal 
see links for source-
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/front_office.html
http://www.rock-gaming.com/meet-rock-gaming/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clevelandcavalier (talk • contribs) 23:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Owners 

message: I'd like to reach consensus on something just for peace of mind. Should WMMS be mentioned in the Cavs Radio/TV section? They function essentially as the backup for WTAM when there are conflicts with the Indians, and I feel it's worth mentioning because the games have to go somewhere when there's a conflict.
*Yes - granted it's only a handful of games, but still, they have to air somewhere when WTAM can't do it.  Vjmlhds 19:46, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Conflict games are very rare, particularly the last few years as the Cavs have struggled to make it to playoffs.  The Cavaliers never sent out a press release regarding these very rare conflict games.  WTAM has never sent out a press release, nor has WMMS.  And not one media outlet, local or otherwise, has reported on the subject of Cavaliers conflict games.  WP:NBA does not even address the issue of local media coverage in its article guidlines, let alone what occurs during rare scheduling conflicts.  Just because something is true that does not mean it belongs in this article. (WP:NOT)  Levdr1lp / talk 23:21, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cavs Radio 

message: I added information about the extra draft picks given to the Gunds to encourage them to buy the team.  As I recall, this was a sweetener offered beforehand, but I don't have a cite for this so I tried to leave the information barebones, rather than post poorly remembered gossip.  If a better source can be found for this, that would be great. Boomcoach (talk) 19:54, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extra Draft picks 

message: The picture of former coach Byron Scott is, in a work, horrible. The current Byron Scott article photograph is far better, and I assume meets the free picture standards. It should be substituted
98.101.223.99 (talk) 14:48, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:42, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2014 

message: I strongly suggest that the article Cleveland Cavaliers be either semi-protected or fully protected by administrators due to continued ongoing vandalism by user Poopisrocking. If this user keeps vandalising this page, he should be strongly sanctioned according to Wikipedia rules and guidelines.
Hardcoreromancatholic (talk) 22:02, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ongoing Vandalism 

message: Please quote sources as to which media commentators are claiming the Cavaleirs new hypothetical and unofficial lineup as favourites  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.180.174 (talk) 23:13, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kevin Love Image Caption 

message: Owner: Michael Jordan
 Please provide a reliable source for the change. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:35, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Owner Change 

message: The head coach of the Cleveland Cavilers is not David Blatt. It is Lebron James. Please change that.
JohnSullivan24 (talk) 03:01, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 03:59, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2015 

message: 76.14.77.175 (talk) 23:09, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 02:16, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2015 

message: Can someone fix the link on the right side info bar? Clicking the  owner link for Dan Gilbert is currently linking to Stephen Curry. 73.52.123.90 (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Dan Gilbert switched to Stephen Curry 

message: Does anybody think the Cleveland Cavaliers will re sign J.R. Smith and Tristan Thompson????
Hardcoreromancatholic (talk) 22:03, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: While It would be suitable to discuss whether their negotiations should be covered in an article, WP:FORUM discourages general discussion of the Cavs not related to improving Wikipedia content. Thanks for understanding.—Bagumba (talk) 22:39, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  J.R. Smith/Tristan Thompson 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I feel as though there needs to be more jersey's shown in the overview. The Navy, Gold and Black Alternate uniforms aren't included. Unless NBA teams on the wiki's are specific to just a home and away; I'm unsure.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexnvans (talk • contribs) 18:37, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jersey improvements. 

message: "Also known as the Cavs"
Can we add a /by whom?/ right next to this?
SteelPanMan (talk) 23:03, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now:  AFAIK, they are often called by the shortened form by the general population, so it shouldn't need to be prefaced.  Are you implying that it is a select group that uses the nickname?—Bagumba (talk) 23:48, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2016 

message: The writing is good; there is just way too many unnecessary commas. 
For example:
"The Warriors, coming off an NBA record 73–9 season, started off strong, leading the series 3–1 after game 4." should be changed to "The Warriors, coming off an NBA record 73–9 season started off strong, leading the series 3–1 after game 4."
also "However, the Cavaliers, led by strong play from James and Irving, won the following three games to win the championship." should be changed to "However, the Cavaliers led by strong play from James and Irving won the following three games to win the championship."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexnvans (talk • contribs) 01:10, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This version, with what you claim to be too many "unnecessary commas," is grammatically correct. Frank AnchorTalk 17:18, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fix the "first NBA Championship"' paragraph.  

message: Can someone please point to a past discussion here or elsewhere, if available, which supports the inclusion of Joe Tait's microphone "commemorative banner" in the section #Retired numbers?  I recently removed it for the second time in the last year (?) or so, but  pointed out that "We still include it in these tables."  I'm okay with that if that's truly the case; I just think it's a little odd to have a "commemorative banner" in the retired numbers section, particularly when the Cavaliers themselves apparently do not refer to it as such.  Thanks.  Levdr1lp / talk 10:40, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been almost two weeks, so I'm removing Tait (again) from the retired numbers section. Levdr1lp / talk 12:30, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Although  has again restored Tait to the #Retired numbers section w/o discussing the dispute here or elsewhere, he has still not provided a source which refers to Tait's recognition as anything other than a "commemorative banner".  The words "retired number" are never used in any of the three sources provided.123  If Sabbatino does not at least attempt to discuss the matter, I plan to reach out to additional editors: first at the relevant Wikiprojects, then -- if necessary -- through an RfC.  Levdr1lp / talk 01:31, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the reason why I included TEXT, which explains that. Look at every other NBA team's table about "retired numbers" and you will see that we include it if person has a commemorative banner. Moreover, stop being so picky about the wording (*cough* "retired number is not in the source" *cough*) for no reason and I guess this example is driving you nuts? If you wish then go ahead and ask at the project before removing anything just because you do not like it. – Sabbatino (talk) 06:54, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: - Thank you for finally discussing the issue.  First, it appears you missed what I said in my first post two weeks ago, so let me repeat it for you: I'm okay with including Tait in the retired numbers section so long as there have been past discussions demonstrating that's what's preferred in these types of cases (you know, consensus).  "But this other article does it the way I like it" is not a good reason to change the content under dispute.  Second, feel free to refrain from shouting-- I'm more than capable of understanding you whether you're referring to *text* or text or TEXT or text or text, and a relatively experienced editor like yourself should know by now that WP:TPG cautions against using at least one of those forms of emphasis on talk pages.  Third, I'm not sure what characterizing my view as being "picky" has to do w/ the substance of my points: you haven't presented a single source which refers to Tait's banner as a "retired number", nor have you linked to any past relevant consensus.  Agree or disagree with my view, but please don't use WP:IDONTLIKEIT as an excuse to justify, quite ironically, your own personal preference (& a crufty one at that).  Fourth, please do not use phrases such as "driving you nuts" which could be interpreted as a personal attack; comment on the content under dispute, not the editor.  Lastly, I will in fact be reaching out to the relevant Wikiprojects to seek and encourage additional input.  Thanks.  Levdr1lp / talk 10:52, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I have sought additional input at the NBA and Cleveland Wikiprojects.  Levdr1lp / talk 11:00, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, I did not see your post two weeks ago so I did not miss anything. Secondly, I was not shouting, because my whole post was not written in caps and certain people (I am not directing this at you) tend to ignore it sometimes and it is my way of letting someone know about certain additions. Thirdly, you are being picky about two words. I even wrote why Tait is included there and I do not use WP:IDONTLIKEIT to justify my action, because you were the one (that is just my impression) using it. And "driving you nuts" is not a personal attack as I was trying to show you one of the examples among others that such things are included elsewhere. However, I feel that the "Retired numbers" sections should be renamed to "Retired numbers and honored members/personnel" to avoid any future conflicts. – Sabbatino (talk) 11:09, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

text: P.s. I do not see what this issue has to do with WikiProject Cleveland as it involves more places than Cleveland. – Sabbatino (talk) 11:13, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: - I pinged you when I opened this discussion on April 11.  In addition, you restored Tait to the #Retired numbers section less than an hour after I removed it on April 24 (either you watch this article constantly, or, more likely, it's on your watchlist).  For both reasons, I might ordinarily be skeptical that you simply "did not see" this discussion (or that you "did not see" the reply notification), but I'll AGF & give you the benefit of the doubt on those.  Regarding shouting, it doesn't matter if it's one word, one sentence, or a whole paragraph.  WP:TPG clearly states: "CAPITAL LETTERS are considered shouting and are very rarely appropriate." I missed the part where it says "it's not shouting if I'm directing it at certain users".  Regarding you calling me "picky", I'm still waiting for a substantive response to my point about the lack of sources referring to Tait's banner as a "retired number", or any past relevant consensus.  Let's also get one thing straight: you linked to WP:IDONTLIKEIT, and I found that ironic in a pot-meet-kettle kind-of way.  Clearly you have a preferred version here, but you're not basing that preference on any policy, guideline, or past consensus I'm aware of.  At least I'm citing policy -- WP:VERIFY -- to justify my own preferred version.  Regarding personal attacks, I stand by what I said.  Calling a fellow editor "nuts" because he/she doesn't agree with you is counterproductive: comment on content, not the contributor.  As for the Cleveland Wikiproject, scroll up and you'll note that this article falls under the scope of the Cleveland Wikiproject.  Accordingly, I've sought input from members there, just as I have from the NBA Wikiproject.  Levdr1lp / talk 01:08, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

text: - Are we discussing the logo in the Canton Charge infobox, or are we discussing whether or not to include Joe Tait in this article's section #Retired numbers?  For my part, this is not about "winning" or "losing".  You may not agree with my view (i.e., Tait's banner is, clearly, not a player's retired number, and therefore shouldn't be listed as such), but you don't see me characterizing your own view as "picky".  Rather, I simply recoginize that we disagree, and I'm trying to reach some kind of rough agreement between us and anyone else who weighs in.  You still haven't presented anything of substance to counter my point about the words "retired number" never once referring to Tait's honor in any of the available sources.  Coverage from reliable sources dictates content.  At the very least, coverage (& the wording found therein) is more important than any so-called "silent consensus", which from what I can tell refers to the essay WP:SILENT.  Among other things, that essay points out that silence is the "weakest" form of consensus, and that silence exists as a kind-of de facto form of consensus only as long as no one objects to the relevant content, discussion, etc.  Well, I object to listing Tait in the retired numbers section, at least in the manner he was before I first raised the issue.  So here we are.  Levdr1lp / talk 10:11, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I'm not a fan of expanding the header title, either.  It just feels like a reverse attempt to insert Tait into the retired numbers list.  Levdr1lp / talk 10:16, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I would support a broader name for the section, though honestly I don't think it needs one. True, it's not a retired number, but it's the same honorary concept. Retired numbers are the typical way to honor past great players; obviously people like Tait aren't going to have a number, but the team clearly wanted to give him a similar honor by hanginging the banner right with the retired numbers. Considering that other teams do have instances of honored people who didn't have a player number, it's not out of line to include Tait, and the text provides the proper context and explanation, plus the graphic seems appropriate. It's similar to the Indians "retiring" 455. 455 is obviously not a retired number since no player has or ever could wear it; it's essentially an honorary "banner" (in this case a placard on the upper deck) to the fans. --JonRidinger (talk) 14:13, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: JR- thanks for weighing in.  What do you think we should do in the infobox?  Like I said in my first post, I'm not necessarily opposed to including Tait in the retired numbers section, and I agree w/ Sabbatino's decision to add a sentence or two there clarifying Tait's relevance.  I just don't want to drift too far toward fancruft territory, and listing a Joe Tait wikilink in the infobox while piping the word "microphone", like here, seems like it could potentially confuse some readers.  The section in the article body allows for context where the infobox does not.  (Side note- I would also extend that same thinking to the retired numbers group in the  template.)  Levdr1lp / talk 17:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds like something that should be presented at WP:NBA since it could affect every infobox. Boston Celtics has "LOSCY", for Jim Loscutoff, in their numbers section, but it's not included in the total of 21, and they do not include the honorary banners at all. LOSCY seems like a special instance given the history behind it (he specifically asked not to have his number retired, plus his #18 was retired later for another player). New York Knicks has '613' listed in theirs, which is for Red Holzman and his 613 victories, similar to the Indians and 455. I don't think there's any kind of consensus (on top of the obvious WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument) and Template:Infobox NBA team is no help. At first glance, I think I'd be more towards just listing numbers ("LOSCY" being the exception, though even that could be excluded) mostly for the sake of simplicity, but would go with consensus either way. In the end I don't think it will make a significant amount of difference in the various infoboxes to have the few non-number names, but I think if the consensus is to include those other honorary people, there should be a separate entry on the infobox. --JonRidinger (talk) 17:43, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Tait's microphone should be added.  Look at Chick Hearn for example, the Lakers retired his "jersey" (w/ mic), and it's become kind of a league wide thing for announcers to have their "mics" retired once they hang them up. Vjmlhds (talk) 13:54, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

text: - You don't have to convince me.  Apparently there's agreement to note Tait's honor in prose, but I don't see consensus to list the banner in the retired number table.  Now, I could be wrong, and you're welcome to reach out to the NBA wikiproject as JR suggests.  I simply don't agree with you here, and given the consensus-by-default since April, why don't you just wait and see what others have to say?  Maybe open an RfC?  Levdr1lp / talk 02:17, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you look at the other team's tables of retired NBA numbers you'll see the Mic included in all of them.  In fact, all you have to do is look here to see that the Mic is a prominent part of the retired numbers...not seeing the big issue with Tait - If the Mic is good enough for other teams, it's good enough for the Cavs and Tait. Vjmlhds (talk) 02:28, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on a suggestion by , I've modified the article (re retired numbers) in a way that should be satisfactory to all.  The Cavs refer to their former great players  of the past as the Cavs Legends club, and this has expanded to non players such as original head coach Bill Fitch and original/longtime announcer Joe Tait.  What I did was rename the retired numbers section as "Cavs Legends", and create 2 tables, one for the actual retired numbers, and one for Tait's microphone (and any future non player banners that get hung up, because teams do do that).  Should Tait's MIC go in the infobox or the template?  No - because it isn't a "letter of the law" retired number, but having his banner displayed like I have it in the article now (separate from the retired numbers, but acknowledged the same way) should be a happy medium. Vjmlhds (talk) 18:00, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Commemorative banner" 

message: Not sure why there's an issue with the mention of the less-than-stellar aspects of some of the Cavs history. Be careful to avoid WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS as a reason for removal, especially since few NBA team articles are FA status or have leads without issues. Further, those negative occurrences are fairly notable aspects that can easily be justified in a general summary of the article, which is what the lead is. I could understand wanting to remove excessive amounts of detail about those two events, but that isn't the case here, and the mentions were reasonably written in an appropriate place. To be honest, the lead could use some expansion to better summarize the entire article. While the reword was a good attempt, it now places the mention of the Stepien Rule in an awkward place that really doesn't make sense or provide any flow. --JonRidinger (talk) 23:50, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you find particularly notable about tying a losing streak record that's already been broken twice, would you explain what you believe is fairly notable about this? Many teams have held this record, both before and after the Cavs.  If you look at the leads for these teams pages on Wikipedia, you'll notice they make no mention of these losing streaks either.  Had it been a record that had lasted for quite some time, I believe you would have a stronger argument for it being notable.  However, since this isn't the case, a season like that is simply a footnote in the Cavs history, not really something that's notable or worthy of the lead section.  You seem to somehow be mistaking it's lack of notability with wanting to remove the mention of anything negative  - the latter is not true. In addition, the Stepien rule isn't really that notable for the Cavs - it's something that is possibly notable for NBA Rules and for the owner at the time who the rule was named after, but not the entire organization.  At best, it's an interesting bit of trivia about the Cavs history, but certainly not a notable part of the organization.  Finally, that entire section reads terribly, even mentioning, 'numerous dubious....', but only citing two minor events in the franchises history. It's actually a bit disheartening to see you vehemently defending the section of text when it so poorly written and out of place simply because you decided people want it removed because it's negative.  I sincerely believe if the original addition had been held to such scrutiny it would have never been added and would be shocked if you disagree.   Somethoughtsaboutthings (talk) 01:09, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Careful with your wording. I wasn't "vehemently" defending anything. I had a stance, but also put it up for discussion since that's how we work here: consensus. I'm not opposed to improving the article; I just didn't think a simple removal was the best option. I also obviously thought the two  "dubious" facts were significant enough to warrant mention; doesn't mean I did't think they couldn't be better written in an improved lead. That said, I went ahead and expanded the lead, based on what I saw at Toronto Raptors (since it's FA class) and WP:LEAD. --JonRidinger (talk) 14:49, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I will use whatever words I feel appropriate. In a discussion about the merits of the quality of text in the lead, I think you're missing the forest for the trees if you want to squabble about adjectives (adverbs?), when really, that one word is but a fraction of the total of the points I mentioned in my response to you. Somethoughtsaboutthings (talk) 15:07, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't miss your "forest of trees" at all; I was simply pointing out your conclusions about my motives are incorrect and that I disagreed with your reasoning for a total removal. I actually had a more detailed reply for my previous post, but instead, I took time to expand the lead as a more general summary, which you'll note still includes the two "dubious" aspects, but now within a much larger context and without special emphasis (and without "a number of" and "dubious" :) ).  --JonRidinger (talk) 15:30, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, you did agree with my reason for total removal - it was a low quality section of written text, it should have never been there in the first place, and the fact that you rewrote the lead suggest that you agree with this.  When there's a low quality section of text like that, removal is certainly a better option then letting it remain on the page unchanged. Rewriting the lead is of course an even better option. Somethoughtsaboutthings (talk) 15:40, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: What I meant by "total removal" is just removing a paragraph without any type of expansion or replacement. I typically only favor straight removals of text without replacement/expansion if it contains POV terms, clearly incorrect information, unsourced and challengeable material, or is otherwise in violation of copyright, WP:BOOSTER, WP:NOT, etc. I obviously felt those two main points merited inclusion (hence why they remain in the lead), but saw your point that perhaps they were getting undue weight, along with being part of a one-sentence paragraph. Figured it was as good a time as any to devote some time in improving the lead overall. --JonRidinger (talk) 15:54, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: Change logo to this: https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/logopedia/images/0/06/ClevelandCavaliers2017Global.png Bandittx (talk) 03:37, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: See my post right above this. The logo you linked 1) doesn't begin usage until the 2017-18 season, and 2) isn't going to be the Cavs' primary logo anyway. The primary logo will be the "C" with the sword, not either of the shield logos. The logo you linked is the "global logo". --JonRidinger (talk) 04:23, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2017 

message: Hi, I was wondering if you can add the NBA player Derrick Rose to the roster. He is officially a Cavalier, but he's not listed on the roster. Atp0110 (talk) 22:19, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. More specifically, while this page is protected, the roster template is not. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:36, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2017 

message: WANT TO UPDATE THE FRANCHISE LEADERS!!
===Franchise leaders===
Bold denotes still active with team.
Italic denotes still active but not with team.
Points scored (regular season) (as of the end of the 2016–17 season)
# LeBron James (20,868)
# Zydrunas Ilgauskas (10,616)
# Brad Daugherty (10,389)
# Austin Carr (10,265)
# Mark Price (9,543)
# Bingo Smith (9,513)
# Hot Rod Williams (8,504)
# Kyrie Irving (8,232)
# Larry Nance (7,257)
# Campy Russell (6,588)
# World B. Free (6,329)
# Terrell Brandon (5,793)
# Jim Chones (5,729)
# Danny Ferry (5,643)
# Mike Mitchell (5,217)
# Craig Ehlo (5,103)
# Phil Hubbard (4,962)
# Anderson Varejão (4,485)
# Ron Harper (4,433)
# Tristan Thompson (4,378)
* 21. Chris Mills (4,006)
* 22. Wesley Person (3,924)
* 23. Shawn Kemp (3,767)
* 24. John Johnson (3,684)
* 25. Kevin Love (3,604)
* 26. Andre Miller  (3,545
* 27. John Bagley (3,542)
* 28. Jim Cleamons (3,532)
* 29. Bobby Phills (3,517)
* 30. Drew Gooden (3,488)
* 31. Jim Brewer (3,461)
* 32. Mo Williams (3,350)
* 33. Lamond Murray (3,349)
* 34. Tyrone Hill (3,274)
* 35. Roy Hinson (3,244)
* 36. Dick Snyder (3,237)
* 37. Cliff Robinson (3,177)
* 38. Daniel Gibson (3,115)
* 39. Foots Walker (3,073)
* 40. Ricky Davis (2,921)
* 41. Kenny Carr (2,831)
* 42. Geoff Huston (2,788)
* 43. Lenny Wilkens (2,751)
* 44. Bob Sura (2,667)
* 45. Randy Smith (2,635)
* 46. Antawn Jamison (2,523)
* 47. Walt Wesley (2,511)
* 48. Dwight Davis (2,477)
* 49. Dion Waiters (2,352)
* 50. Melvin Turpin (2,325)
Other statistics (regular season) (as of April 18, 2017)
{ Mario1992 (talk) 11:17, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: It's already there and top 20 is enough. —MRD2014 Talk • Edits 14:31, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2017 

message: Bold denotes still active with team.
Italic denotes still active but not with team.
Points scored (regular season) (as of the end of the 2016–17 season)
# LeBron James (20,868)
# Zydrunas Ilgauskas (10,616)
# Brad Daugherty (10,389)
# Austin Carr (10,265)
# Mark Price (9,543)
# Bingo Smith (9,513)
# Hot Rod Williams (8,504)
# Kyrie Irving (8,232)
# Larry Nance (7,257)
# Campy Russell (6,588)
# World B. Free (6,329)
# Terrell Brandon (5,793)
# Jim Chones (5,729)
# Danny Ferry (5,643)
# Mike Mitchell (5,217)
# Craig Ehlo (5,103)
# Phil Hubbard (4,962)
# Anderson Varejão (4,485)
# Ron Harper (4,433)
# Tristan Thompson (4,378)
* 21. Chris Mills (4,006)
* 22. Wesley Person (3,924)
* 23. Shawn Kemp (3,767)
* 24. John Johnson (3,684)
* 25. Kevin Love (3,604)
* 26. Andre Miller  (3,545
* 27. John Bagley (3,542)
* 28. Jim Cleamons (3,532)
* 29. Bobby Phills (3,517)
* 30. Drew Gooden (3,488)
* 31. Jim Brewer (3,461)
* 32. Mo Williams (3,350)
* 33. Lamond Murray (3,349)
* 34. Tyrone Hill (3,274)
* 35. Roy Hinson (3,244)
* 36. Dick Snyder (3,237)
* 37. Cliff Robinson (3,177)
* 38. Daniel Gibson (3,115)
* 39. Foots Walker (3,073)
* 40. Ricky Davis (2,921)
* 41. Kenny Carr (2,831)
* 42. Geoff Huston (2,788)
* 43. Lenny Wilkens (2,751)
* 44. Bob Sura (2,667)
* 45. Randy Smith (2,635)
* 46. Antawn Jamison (2,523)
* 47. Walt Wesley (2,511)
* 48. Dwight Davis (2,477)
* 49. Dion Waiters (2,352)
* 50. Melvin Turpin (2,325)
Other statistics (regular season) (as of April 18, 2017)
{ Mario1992 (talk) 11:17, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: It's already there and top 20 is enough. —MRD2014 Talk • Edits 14:31, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Franchise leaders

message: change ((Nike)) to ((Nike, Inc.|Nike))
: Done , thanks –72 (talk) 13:56, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nike link 

message: The usage of the term global logo is new, beginning with the Cavalier's black shield logo. Since then, the Pacers' roundel logo has been upgraded from a secondary logo to primary logo. It is clear that Global Logos are becoming what the primary logo's used to be. Let me demonstrate why:
The NBA used to mandate that newly introduced primary logos contain the city/state name in addition to the mascot name. The global logo does this, whereas the new "primary" does not. In this way, the Cav's primary logo has more in common with other team's secondary logos and their Global Logo has more in common with other teams' primary logos (teams that most of which have not used the term global logo in any new marketing).
The Pacers new Global Logo is indeed the logo that is displayed on Wikipedia, not their primary logo of just the P and "pacers."
The Global Logo is what the old primary logo used to be. It includes the entire team name and most busy design. The Cav's primary logo is going to be used often, as it is simple and recognizable. This is in similar practice with other teams' secondary logo.
Sportslogos.net displays every team's primary logo. He recognizes the black shield as the primary because despite the team's arbitrary labeling, it is in-line with the practices of most every other NBA team. If the NBA teams' Wikis are to be most consistent with each other, the black shield logo should be the one used at the top of the page.
:Please refer to the long discussion we had about this earlier. The usage of the "C-sword" logo was based on the press release from the Cavaliers that clearly identified it as the "primary logo". The Global Logo may very well become the de facto primary logo by its usage, but as of now, we are going by the recent press release and other usage of the C-sword logo, like on NBA.com, Fox Sports, and ESPN. The Indiana Pacers global logo seen on the Wikipedia article is actually hard to find on the Pacers' website, whereas the Cavaliers global shield is visible, though not featured. Either way, this sounds like a discussion that likely needs to be held at the NBA Wikiproject page. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:30, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:   Actually, if you look at the Cavaliers' 2017–18 preseason media guide (found here), you'll note that Sabbatino is correct: the Cavaliers' global logo should be displayed in the infobox, because the team uses it more than the C-Sword logo. Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 18:28, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, I was partially right. I wrote an e-mail to the Cavaliers not long ago and they said that "C-Sword" is their primary logo, while the "Shield" logo is their secondary and is mostly used outside of the United States. However, the NBA website and mobile application uses the "Shield" logo (SVG logo link), and that confuses me since they wrote one thing in the e-mail, but NBA shows different logo. – Sabbatino (talk) 18:42, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

text: Solved my own dilemma - all 3 logos ("C" w/sword, shield, plain "C") are all used pretty much interchangably, and the shield has become more prominent in the years since this consensus was first reach, so I simply put all 3 in the infobox.  Can't just disregard the shield, as it IS splashed all over the Cavs website.  Like I said, lots can change in 3 years. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:39, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  The press release by the team quite clearly says that the "C-Sword" logo is the team's main logo. Stop making assumptions. In addition, please read Talk:Cleveland Cavaliers#New Logos. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:01, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: All of that was 3 years ago.  If you look at the Cavs' website, Twitter page, Facebook page, and Instagram page, you'll see that the shield is front and center, and that "sword C" has kind of faded away.  Can't be so rigid as too insist what may have been the way 3 years ago, still goes today when events have clearly changed...time marches on. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nothing has changed, because the team used the "global logo" in all aforementioned places three years ago. Pinging  who participated in past discussions. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:13, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the "Global Logo" should be the one displayed 

message: In the history of the Cleveland Cavaliers, at the most recent event which was the trade of Kyrie Irving to the Boston Celtics for Isaiah Thomas and Jae Crowder, center Ante Zizic, as well as having the rights to the Brooklyn Nets’ 2018 first round pick was not mentioned. The citation states this. Mr. LookitAll (talk) 06:31, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Meters (talk) 06:58, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2017 

message: it says wine and gold it needs to be changed to white and gold Arthurpoe (talk) 12:28, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: That would be incorrect Cannolis (talk) 12:37, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2017 

message: I see you reverted my edits on this page without being very specific. Nothing I changed drastically altered the page's content, just brought it in line with standards of other league articles. These were not controversial changes, and you don't link to a specific talk section for reverting them--this talk page is very long! Etzedek24 (talk) 03:33, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the discussion about that. You do know that you could have found it yourself using your browser's search function? – Sabbatino (talk) 08:10, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  MoS edits 

message: For the sake of uniformity between NBA team articles as part of the WP:NBA manual of style concerning team pages, I'm proposing that the "Hall of Famers" and "Cavs Legends" headings be changed to "Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame members" and "Retired numbers and Cavs Legends". Some larger changes I made were blanket reverted with little explanation, but I noticed that the Cavs Legends section heading was the subject of some discussion. I don't feel that the Naismith change is controversial, and that editing the Cavs Legends heading as I specified will provide more uniformity in the article but still preserve the uniqueness of the Cavs Legends. Etzedek24 (talk) 03:30, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no manual of style at WP:NBA. Simply creating a page and taking it as a "rule" is not what Wikipedia is about. You cannot simply come and force every page to be the same. "Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame members" is excessive, because there is also FIBA Hall of Fame, so "Hall of Famers" is tidy and better for that. Regarding the "Cavs Legends" section, please read this discussion. It could be renamed to "Retired numbers and honorees", but not what you proposed. – Sabbatino (talk) 08:10, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm just working off of WP:NBA's goals of providing consistent layouts for NBA-related articles. The question of subheading length seems to be one of taste. "Hall of Famers" is too ambiguous for an encyclopedic article, especially given that players may be inducted into more than one as Sabbatino noted. A heading such as Naismith Hall of Fame members or FIBA Hall of Fame members would suffice, as they are separated on team pages, for example, Milwaukee Bucks. Etzedek24 (talk) 17:54, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: A user below has already agreed that the names are fine, but you keep coming at me. Do you have anything against me that you ignore others? Lengthy heading names are not good. They should be short and clear as now. – Sabbatino (talk) 19:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I was responding to your comment about style. I do not have anything against you, but I feel that through interactions you come off as not abiding by WP:AGF and being needlessly standoffish. Etzedek24 (talk) 19:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be best to gather both Naismith and FIBA Hall of Famers in on section, which would be called "Hall of Famers" and make it into two sub-sections – "Naismith Hall of Fame" and "FIBA Hall of Fame". That way it would be tidy and would gather relevant information in one place. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:07, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

text: I echo the same sentiments as Sabbatino regarding the subheadings. Subheadings should be concise without being too long. If editors ever need to link to a subheading, I'd much rather link to "Cavs#Cavs Legends" instead of "Cavs#Retired numbers and Cavs Legends"; same for the hall of fame. The other option for the HOF section is "Hall of fame members" or "Hall of fame inductees". "Cavs Legends" includes all retired numbers, so having "Retired numbers and Cavs Legends" seems redundant. If the concern is making a more uniform section heading across NBA articles for easier navigation, I would support "Honorees" or something similar since retired numbers is one of the ways a team honors a person, but not the only way, especially in cases like Joe Tait here and similar cases for other teams where an honoree wasn't a player or didn't have a number. --JonRidinger (talk) 15:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor heading wording change proposal 

message: Why is there no mention of David Blatt anywhere in the article? Signing him (and then releasing him) was a pretty major turning point in franchise history. The first mention of him in the History of the Cleveland Cavaliers article was about the end of his tenure. There's also no mention of Andrew Wiggins in the history article now, and only one mention of Kyrie Irving in the "2014–17: Perennial title contenders" section despite the major role he played. Contrasted with what the article looked like in 2015: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cleveland_Cavaliers&oldid=696311122 70.27.132.69 (talk) 06:29, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former head coaches 

message: CAVS VS WARRIOR
1-2 111.125.109.92 (talk) 04:21, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --TheImaCow (talk) 07:33, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2020 

message: add Lauri Markkanen to the current roster, remove Larry Nance from the team 64.209.158.185 (talk) 16:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:32, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 August 2021 

message: The C logo on the page is the incorrect logo, it is now a sheild with the C on it and Cleveland Cavaliers text above it in the shield.
https://www.nba.com/teams 76.71.82.140 (talk) 22:35, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Logo 

message: "As a result, the Cavaliers finished the 2010–11 season last in the conference, enduring a 26-game losing streak, the second-longest in NBA history."
Request to change the line above to the following:
> As a result, the Cavaliers finished the 2010–11 season last in the conference, enduring a 26-game losing streak, the third-longest in NBA history. Thekor (talk) 00:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 01:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2024