Talk:Osiris

message: Is this date BC?  I know nothing about this topic, but feel this should be added if true, even if the context makes it clear.
:Done. Don't be afraid to edit articles, be bold! Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 19:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the sources I've seen (The Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt, Richard Wilkinson's Complete Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt, and John Griffiths' Origins of Osiris and His Cult) treat Khenti-Amentiu in as a deity separate from both Osiris and Anubis. In any case, you're right that Osiris isn't mentioned until the Fifth Dynasty. Once he showed up, he apparently took on the characteristics of many other gods, including Khenty-Amentiu. At some point Osiris totally absorbed him, and the name from then on was merely a title of Osiris. A. Parrot (talk) 04:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe there are also a lot of current sources that indicate Khenti-Amentiu was an epithet or older name of Ausar, but in fact the same mythological personage or deity, i.e., the father of Heru (Horus). The name Ausar (Osiris) was probably added on to this same deity later. I will try to find specific sources.  Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 14:43, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, just found one, if you want I'm sure I can find plenty more. John Ray, Reflections of Osiris: Lives from Ancient Egypt. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 15:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've just read this and I don't think it supports your interpretation. There is a big difference between a tentative suggestion made by a scholar and a definite assertion. Eluard (talk) 09:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've read the book in question and it contains quite a lot of interesting but controversial statements which are basically valid but unproven opinion - no problem stating this writer holds this view but its not fact or even mainstream interpretation.Apepch7 (talk) 11:20, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok so could we please correct the introduction to reflect the fact that Khenti-Amentiu was later identified with Osiris but that there was no hint of an identification earlier (and how could there have been? Osiris was not so much as mentioned earlier!) This issue is vital to the reader of this article. The greatest unsolved mystery about Osiris is his sudden appearance in the 5th Dynasty. The big debate is as to whether he was an autocthonous deity or imported from somewhere else, by marriage, or elite take-over, or simply from trade or travellers. No one knows the answer and it is appalling that Wikipedia is presenting a possibility (he was always there just oddly unmentioned!) as though it were fact. If the editor who holds this view believes he has an academically credible case then let him publish it. Otherwise keep these opinions out of Wikipedia. Eluard (talk) 23:08, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with Apepch7 that it shouldn't be a problem to attribute the viewpoint, which I have seen in a number of sources; competing viewpoints are also certainly welcome, if they too are similarly attributed. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 23:47, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not in the first paragraph, which should stick to known facts. Eluard (talk) 06:56, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  date in first paragraph

message: A Mystery Religion is a cult whose beliefs and practices are fully known only to initiates. That may have been a typical Greek and later Roman idea, and possibly not Egyptian. The cult of Isis and Osiris was not a mystery religion, until Greek visitors in Persian and Hellenic times started off this idea, and until the Greeks and Romans took over the cult. The writings of Diodorus should not be considered as fully objective history. Diodorus (and others before and after him, Herodotus...) set out with the idea to prove that the Greek religion (and science, philosophy...) drew from ancient Egyptian sources, and the Egyptian priests, humiliated by the Persians, and Macedonians were only happy to beef up their own national pride by telling stories that Diodorus & al. wanted to hear. They saw similarities between Egypt and Greece everywhere, and did not mention important differences, as that did not fit in their ideas. As there were no Mysteries, or no real Egyptian "philosophy", it had to be made up in later times. The work of the Egyptian half-god Hermes Trismegistus was identified as a Greek work (hence some kind of forgery) by Casaubon in the 16th century. But the Egyptian Mystery idea had become a myth on its own, giving input to Rosicrucian and Freemason rites. As it does not really exist, it is even subject of conspiracy theories, like those around Afrocentrism: "the Europeans have wiped out all trace of it". 
Concretely: we might change the title into "Hellenistic influence: Mystery religion" and make it clear that the Greeks brought in this idea?
You should sign your contribution with four of ~.  I think it completely correct that the term mystery religion is not justified in the article, which is a bit all over the place anyway.  It is better to try to understand Egyptian Religion from the Egyptian religion itself as it is possible that the Greek commentators did not understand it anyway.  Jeremy Naydler's book on the Shamanic Wisdom in the pyramid Texts is quite good on this I think. Apepch7 (talk) 15:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mystery Religion

message: I found accounts on the internet
http://www.egyptiandreams.co.uk/keywords/osiris/horus%20the%20son%20of%20isis%20and%20osiris.php
which contradict the version in here and make more sense.  You see the problem is that Osiris' Penis got eaten by a fish so how could he have impregnated Isis?  Well, she impregnated herself apparently using semen from his dead body.  Sorry to put you guys off your tea.  Given that this makes far more sense (bear in mind the Egyptians were mentalists)I've altered the version slightly.
:No one pretends to monopolize what the Egyptians thought. There are at least three different Egyptian creation myths. Further, there's nothing preventing contradictions from occuring in a mythology (most evolving mythologies are rife with them). Add your version, but don't replace the old one. JustSomeKid 22:56, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Isis and Osiris, impregnation

message: I have moved all text to the similar subsection here, where it would be looked for. No text has been deleted (or edited yet). For the reason why legend is not myth and doesn't apply to Isis and Osiris, see Legend.Wetman 17:30, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: "Legend" of Osiris and Isis

message: Shouldn't this page link to a disambiguation and the current content be rerouted to Osiris (god)? --Colonel E 02:10, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: "..her husband, Set, who was in fact homosexual"
* Anyone have any references for this 'fact'?
Markh 08:02, 2005 September 2 (UTC) 
:There's corroboration here. JustSomeKid
::All the papyrus describes is a "homosexual attack" of Seth on Horus in the attempt to humiliate him through domination, which ultimately backfires (because Seth is tricked into eating salad spiked with Horus' sperm). It does not describe Seth as homosexual per se, but rather, at best, as bisexual. I'd like to see the bit about his male lover god. Got that papyrus handy?
::Urhixidur 00:36, 2005 September 3 (UTC)
:::Does this not show a different attitude to sexuality in the Ancient Egyptian culture, rather that the 'fact' that Seth was homosexual? It definately describes a homosexual act, does that prove the stated fact?
:::Now afterward, (at) evening time, bed was prepared for them, and they both lay down. But during the night, Seth caused his phallus to become stiff and inserted it between Horus's thighs. Then Horus placed his hands between his thighs and received Seth's semen. Horus went to tell his mother Isis: "Help me, Isis, my mother, come and see what Seth has done to me." 
:::Markh 08:33, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
::::Homosexuality as we think of it should not be conflated with the acts of Horus and Seth. Both were still married to women, and had children. While it wasn't frowned upon, marriage was still between a man and a woman and was the legal form; we should not imagine that homosexual partnerships were considered in any way of the same status as heterosexual partnerships. Similarly, we should avoid the connotations of modern concepts like "gay". cf: imyt-pr documents, and some of the surrounding literature. As with most ancient societies, though, who was wearing the trousers in the relationship was important, however -  and the word "xm" seems to be a derogatory term derived from the  masculine form of "xmt",which means "wife"... :) 87.113.146.46 (talk) 13:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Father of Anubis 

message: The article states "The majority of current thinking is that the Egyptian name is pronounced aser where the a is the letter ayin (i.e. a short 'a' pronounced from the back of the throat as if swallowing)."
I would like some sources on that please. The name is transliterated as wsjr, that's as much as any of my sources state, and I believe that's as much as the article should state. However I'd be very interested to find out the logic behind that theory, and maybe give it a benefit of the doubt - but in any case the article should say, so-and-so believes that it is thus; I certainly see absolutely no support for it to be accepted by a majority.Flyboy Will 09:31, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Osiris's Name 

message: I have some disquiet over 166.70.243.229's additions. Many of them look partly reliable but together they look like someone constructing a theory or presenting a POV by selectively referring to sources. It looks too clean - "just so" - rather than it was x and sometimes y but othertimes it was z. --Victim of signature fascism 01:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now rectified much of this. --Victim of signature fascism 01:36, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  166.70.243.229's additions 

message: I think it should be noted that the phrases "God of the dead" and "God of death" are so vastly different that it gives one pause to wonder how or why one would confuse the two. Osiris was also referred to  as "king of the living" as was Horus. If people deny that Osiris was a savior and venerated as judge of the dead, I can see where ignoring this would be a temptation for many, but it can only go so far without becoming a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of God of the dead/afterlife/eternity.
Osiris can be compared to the Hindi creation myth with the tree of wisdom, which in itself is comparable to the tree of life / tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Abraimic texts. Osiris would be a rollup of the two trees in Abraimic texts; ie. one can eat of the "forbidden fruit" (which is curiously undefined in all texts) and still attain everlasting life.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.123.218.238 (talk) 05:37, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: God of the dead, not God of death

message: On a separate issue, it has been requested before, and I'll reiterate that request: What is the source or sources for conflating Osiris with Centipede or Sep? This seems quite unconventional, and is not identified as such anywhere else that I have found, even on places that list his other forms. 166.70.243.229 20:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sep or Centipede

message: I didn't think that the lenghty description of the band, Osiris, belonged in the pop culture section, so I created a band page and moved the bio over to it.  It probably needs cleaned up a bit to meet Wikipedia's standards.
:: Is it a good idea to have a list, in theory inexhaustible, of popular references to Osiris, having little or nothing to do with the Osiris of the article? ie a popularMyspace member is called Osiris, erm, the bass player of Random Rock Band was occasionally known as Osiris, a horse which won a race one time was called O..... etc.Hakluyt bean 16:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  o.k,  take your point, if there is no obvious and direct link to the ancient Egyptian God, the subject of the article, then it should go. I will begin today and if  anybody  wants to revert then please discuss on this talk page first.GoldenMeadows 07:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Osiris in popular culture 

message: As currently written, the article seems to contradict itself in regards to the meaning and origin of the name Osiris; particularly the statement that "The origin of Osiris's name is a mystery, which forms an obstacle to knowing the pronunciation of its hieroglyphic form". Lucky number 49 17:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A contradition would be to state that we know how to pronounce the name, and also that we don't have any idea how to. I see no contradition in a simple statement of lack of certain knowledge. Thus, I've removed the tag. Please try to explain yourself better. SBHarris 18:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: Can anyone justify this section including the supposed beliefs of the Nilitic peoples re: cannibalism and also the idea that there was anything like an Osirian sacrement?Apepch7 15:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Osirian sacrament 

message: Besides the tomb underneath the Sphinx.
Skip that for a moment, there is so much archeological evidence about Isis & Osiris throughout all of Egypt. But the story of Zeti I & the book of the dead are not valid, I am convinced every hieroglyph from the tomb of Osiris underneath the Sphinx are describing the real story. People just have to figure out the real story of Isis & Osiris for themselves, it's so easy to find. You don't have to go all the way into Osiris's tomb to learn more about him, above the ground is so much archeological evidence.
You just have to know where to look and where not.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phalanxpursos (talk • contribs) 00:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The real story of Isis & Osiris 

message: I noticed a recent edit while watching recent changes in Egyptology edits and decided to find out what should go in such sections, following the discussion above. WP:POPCULTURE says 'in a nutshell' "In popular culture" sections should be carefully maintained and contain sourced examples demonstrating a subject's cultural significance." In more detail, it says "Some degree of selectivity should always be used when adding items, and passing references to the article subject are usually not good examples. "In popular culture" lists should contain verifiable facts of genuine interest to a broad audience of readers.
Although some information can be verified from primary sources, this does not demonstrate whether such information has been discussed in independent secondary sources. If a cultural reference is genuinely significant it should be possible to find a secondary reliable source to attribute that judgment. Quoting a respected expert as attesting to the importance of a subject as a cultural influence is encouraged."
The current section simply didn't get anywhere near meeting the guidelines, so I've removed it. I've nothing against a decent section with references to independent secondary sources, and if someone wants to start one, go ahead. Doug Weller (talk) 08:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, that was an essay, not guidelines, but I think gives good guidance and should be followed if it is restored. Doug Weller (talk) 09:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of Osiris in popular culture section 

message: There is no mention that Osiris didn't actually raise from the dead but remained burried and ruled in the abode of the dead.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karpve (talk • contribs) 01:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: His role as ruler of the dead doesn't excluded him from union with Re as supreme deity. In this aspect he is especially associated with the circumpolar stars, the constellation of Orion and the star Sirius. During the Ramessid era he is shown in composite form united with Re. See J. G Griffiths article in "The Oxford Guide to Egyptian Mythology". It would take too long here to set out why I think some modern egyptologists use "resurrection" in descriptions of Osiris, will try and add to article later. Taam (talk) 17:46, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I have just added this to the talk page of Resurrection as it relates to one of the uses of the word when applied to Osiris as corn-deity. Taam (talk) 11:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Osiris' Resurrection 

message: The first thing listed on Weasel word is vague generalizations. Osiris never came back to the world of the living. That's not how the Egyptian religion worked. Isis preformed the rituals (That would later on be used on humans to make mummies. You could say it was a "source myth") in order to let Osiris "spirit" (the Ba, Ka, and Akh) enter the underworld. The other Egyptians gods then made him king of the underworld and he stayed there. This needs to be understood because Osiris never came back to the world of the living, therefore was never resurrected. 
Osiris - Having a spell cast on him so that his "spirit" would travel to the underworld so it could become king but his dead body would still be on earth. 
Jesus/Jews - Being killed and then coming back in the same body he had before. 
Here is what the Jewish idea of what a "resurrection" is.
Isaiah 26:19 But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.
Ezekiel 37:5-6, This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: I will make breath [a] enter you, and you will come to life. I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the LORD... O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them...
Luke 24:37-43 They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, "Do you have anything here to eat?" They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate it in their presence.
Calling the rituals regarding Osiris, "Passion plays" is ridiculous. That is a blatant attempt and this kind of thing. No one ever uses "Passion" except when referring specifically to Jesus's death and resurrection. The article on Passion play mentions nothing about them referring to anything other than specifically Christian plays.
69.254.76.77 (talk) 00:46, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This was deleted recently for being "apologetics". It's nothing different than what's being done in any other article when arguing a point. The reason I quoted the bible, is because I was trying to show what the Jewish concept of resurrection is. There's no other way I could have done it. It's incorrect to use the idea of what happened to Osiris as the same as what happened to Jesus. I've modified the origional post to make it more succincnt.69.254.76.77 (talk) 20:50, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh crap, look what we have here, a source. Scrolling up I see an article from Encylopedia Britannica 2003 saying "This identification with Osiris, however, did not imply resurrection, for even Osiris did not rise from the dead. Instead, it signified the renewal of life both in the next world and through one's descendants on Earth." 69.254.76.77 (talk) 21:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, I have at least three sources (The Complete Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt by Richard H. Wilkinson, Death and the Afterlife in Ancient Egypt by John Taylor, and Religion and Magic in Ancient Egypt by Rosalie David) which use the term to describe what happened to Osiris after he died, or what the Egyptians believed would happen to them after death. I can understand your complaint on this point, as it is not resurrection in the most literal, physical sense, but because there is a shortage of more precise terms, "resurrection" is very often used to describe it. Clearly, the article should explain the difference when describing the event in detail, but referring to the event in passing as "resurrection" seems perfectly legitimate to me. "Passion" is more suspect; because the modern meaning of "passion" has almost completely driven out the older sense of "suffering", this sense of the word is nearly always associated with the suffering of Jesus. I may have seen the term applied to Osiris outside this article, but I can't remember where, so I think that changing the word to something else would be reasonable. A. Parrot (talk) 21:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  In this particular instance I'm not sure of the wisdom of even replying to this, I already deleted the soapboxing of the i.p user in question earlier this week - see also edits to my own talk and the anon i.p users talk page this evening. The i.p editor has been including "crap" like epithets in edit summaries, deleting cited material and using the article talk page as soapbox to promote his/her own ideas. Now in the latest post below there is the threat of violence being made. This I will leave to others. Regarding the points you raise about the "passion", suggest doing a google book search  and you will see several well known Egyptologists using the term. As regards the Osirian afterlife I agree there should be an expanded treatment of all the main opinions. The lengthy quotation added recently by our angry i.p editor is broadly correct for one mode of existence but it misleads imo re the complementary dimensions of the the afterlife that the Egyptians believed they could take part in. Taam (talk) 00:07, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree with you. If you want one word to describe what happened with one word, then I guess resurrection is the best word (ascended to the underworld?) but it's the way it's being used is what I have a problem with. Tamm seems to have a problem with this and single-handidly seems to have written that entire section though I'm too lazy to check but the last three added blocks were done by them. Also, who ever added that pictures, trying to compare Isis with the picture of Mary, both holding babies needs to be punched in the face for trying to pull something like that. First, it's insinuating that the art was copied (looks medevil?) from an ancient egyptian artifact (like they had access to one), and secondly HOW ELSE are you going to portray a mother holding a baby? That runs on the "Son of God? SUN of God?" logic. It's going to look like I'm storming out of here angry, and that's half correct. Someone who isn't tired of dealing with can take the reins if they want to. 69.254.76.77 (talk) 22:01, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Resurrection" and "Passion" are weasel words in this article 

message: As it stands, this conjunction appears to be original research and I think should be removed unless we can find a good source linking these specific images. Dougweller (talk) 10:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The image was copied over from the Isis page where it has been for a long time, that being said if this particular conjunction of images is the work of wiki editor then it would be original research if nothing else supported it. As it happens there is an article written by scholars on the BBC web site that does put two images facing one another. One appaears to be a drawing of Isis-Horus statue as used in this article and the other is by Fra Filippo Lippi  which we have on wikipedia. So if no objections I will place these two images along with the text from Oxford guide that provides a scholarly citation along with the BBC article text (there are many more)Taam (talk) 12:08, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of Isis and Mary 

message: For religious safety, as well as respect, I recommend that we removed the topics regarding arguements between the relation the Osirian Mythology to the Christian Theology. This topics must be moved elsewhere (such as a discussion page) to avoid any radical/extremist feedback. The tone of these topics is already like an instistance of belief. This is a page for Egyptian Mythology and Religion! It will also gives respect to the both Christianity and Kemetism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.55.187.227 (talk) 05:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The sharing of traditions and practices amongst different faiths, repeats itself throughout history, and happens to almost every cultural institution as one system becomes eclipsed by another. The theory that compares Osirian Mythology to Christianity is not disrespectful, instead it presents an opinion made by relevant scholars which reflects this historical theme. I think the article is very clear in accrediting such comparisons to their respective authors, and does not disrespect the opinions of modern religious institutions. SADADS (talk) 18:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Osirian Mythology to Christianity. 

message: Is there disagreement among sources about what happened to Osiris' penis?  Myth of Osiris and Isis says that Set ate it, but this article says that it was eaten by a fish. Petronivs (talk) 15:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Osiris' Penis 

message: Surely the flail is to do with arable farming and not shepherding - see section on connections to Ram Apepch7 (talk) 10:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crook and flail 

message: According to Martin A. Larson's page here, he only has a degree in English Literature so I'm not sure why he's being quoted in regards to mythology.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.181.46 (talk) 22:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quoting Martin A. Larson 

message: "The best exoteric account of the legend (of Osiris) is preserved for us by Plutarch in his treatise De Iside et Osiride written in Greek about the middle of the first century of our era, a large portion of which is substantiated by the Egyptian hieroglyphic texts which have been deciphered by scholars. It may be briefly summarized as follows:
Osiris was a wise king in Egypt who set himself to civilize the people and redeem them from their former states of barbarism. He taught them the cultivation of the earth, gave them a body of laws, and instructed them in the worship of the gods. Having made his own land prosperous, he set out in like manner to teach the other nations of the world. During his absence, the land of Egypt was so well ruled by his wife Isis, that his jealous brother Typhon (Set), the personification of evil, as Osiris was the personification of good, could do no harm in his kingdom; but on the return of Osiris to Egypt, Typhon made a conspiracy against him, persuading 72 other persons to join him, together with a certain Queen of Ethiopia named Aso, who chanced to be in Egypt at the time (74 altogether)... Ultimately Osiris became the king of the underworld and the judge of the dead."
- p. 35-36, Freemasonry and its Ancient Mystic Rites by C. W. Leadbeater, Gramercy, 1998
- Brad Watson, Miami, FL 64.136.26.22 (talk) 21:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  74 persons conspired against the KIng Osiris 

message: In later Egyptian history wasn't a first dynasty pharaohs tomb identified as that of Osiris. The late professor Emery mentions this in one of his articles. Does anybody else have any further information?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AT Kunene (talk • contribs) 10:23, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tomb of Osiris 

message: In later Egyptian history wasn't a first dynasty pharaohs tomb identified as that of Osiris. The late professor Emery mentions this in one of his articles. Does anybody else have any further information?AT Kunene (talk) 10:27, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes; the tomb of Djer at Abydos was believed to have been Osiris' tomb, beginning in the Middle Kingdom. With the increasing popularity of Osiris in that period, the tomb became a site of pilgrimage and offerings from people all over Egypt. A. Parrot (talk) 22:12, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tomb of Osiris 

message: Why do you not mention Osireion ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osireion  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Odarcan (talk • contribs) 21:51, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Osireion 

message: I've tried to clean up the style of this paragraph somewhat, but it could use some attention from an expert. I wasn't able to find any evidence of a 'Theodosian decree' that mandated the destruction of pagan temples; rather, the link redirects to the wiki page for the Edict of Thessalonica, a non-discriminatory decree (according to the wiki) that applied only to Christians in the empire. Anyway, the paragraph could use some verification and clarity. Thanks! Kmva (talk) 04:54, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Destruction of Cult 

message: found this helpful however i only wanted and needed the top 1/3 of the article, in my opinion, the rest is just irrelevant hogus-bogus.
but the rest was good, so thanks :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.252.14.207 (talk) 06:08, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  MY COMMENT :) 

message: Could somebody please remove this category from Osiris's page? This page is about the mythological figure, not the character who appeared in a Supernatural episode. I've been removing the actual mythological figures from this category, but this page is locked. Thanks to anyone who helps.--50.89.225.132 (talk) 23:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: ! Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 00:20, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Category: ''Supernatural'' (U.S. TV series) characters

message: Is source number #22 scholarly, and/or citable? A DVD? Is it a software version of the EB? Not in print?? The claims made in the article referring to that source are pretty detailed, and I would like to know if they are accurate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thalleck (talk • contribs) 05:47, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks to me that only the last sentence before the ref—"The annual festival involved the construction of 'Osiris Beds' formed in shape of Osiris, filled with soil and sown with seed"—is drawn from the Britannica DVD. The previous sentences have parenthetical citations rather than footnotes: "(Isis and Osiris, 69)" and "(Larson 17)". The jumble of citation styles shows what a mess this article is, but the description of the ceremonies is accurate. The only issue is that the article says, based on Plutarch, that the ceremonies took place in the month of Athyr, whereas all other evidence places them in the next month, Khoiak. Scholars have suggested several reasons for Plutarch's error. I removed the reference to a specific date and replaced the Britannica ref with a better and probably more detailed source, but I don't have time today to do more. A. Parrot (talk) 17:48, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Encyclopedia Britannica DVD? 

message: Substituted at 01:59, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: In continuing the above discussion on edits from three years ago, I have spotted on sentence which continues to delve off topic into a separate discussion on the relationship between paganism and Christianity.  It states, 'All of these sacred rituals were "climaxed by the eating of sacramental god, the eucharist by which the celebrants were transformed, in their persuasion, into replicas of their god-man" (Larson 20)'.  Not only does this quotation from Martin A Larson, someone writing to argue for the pagan roots of Christianity, include overt references to Christian eucharistic ritual/thought, I also found it with an unreliable source tag (it is also cited with in-text parenthetical rather than footnote Wiki markup references.)  We do not want to get into any debates on this page, and should save this discussion for another one.  
Iotacist (talk) 04:51, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Major edit removal (continued discussion on Christianity)

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message: Our article on Thoth recounts that he enabled the birth of Nut's children, including Osiris, by winning a gambling game against the Moon (Thoth#Mythology).  I find a source giving a more detailed version:
:In the beginning Ra cursed Nut, and his curse was that none of her children should be born on any day of any year. And Nut cried to Thoth who loved her, Thoth, the twice great, god of magic and learning and wisdom, he whom the Greeks called Hermes Trismegistos. Though the curse of the great God Ra once uttered could never be recalled, Thoth by his wisdom opened a way of escape. He went to the Moon-god, whose brightness was almost equal to that of the Sun itself, and challenged him to a game of dice. Great were the stakes on either side, but the Moon's were the greatest, for he wagered his own light. Game after game they played and always the luck was with Thoth, till the Moon would play no more. Then Thoth, the twice great, gathered up the light he had won, and by his power and might he formed it into five days. And since that time the Moon has not had light enough to shine throughout the month; but dwindles away into darkness, and then comes slowly to his full glory; for the light of five whole days was taken from him. And these five days Thoth placed between the end of the old year and the beginning of the new year, keeping them distinct from both; and on these five days the five children of Nut were born; Osiris on the first day, Horus on the second, Set on the third, Isis on the fourth, and Nephthys on the fifth. Thus the curse of Ra was both fulfilled and made of no effect, for the days on which the children of Nut were born belonged to no year.
This seems to merit inclusion in the Osiris article.  I decline to be bold because I'm not knowledgeable enough in this field, so I suggest it to people who edit this article. JamesMLane t c 19:18, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
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