Talk:Donnie Davies

message: There's a procedure for having an article undeleted.  It's explained at WP:DRV.  You'll be expected to provide evidence of notability- that's multiple examples of things written about Davies in nontrivial sources.  WP:BIO gives more specifics about the kinds of evidence that can demonstrate notability.  No amount of conversation on the talk page of a deleted article is likely to result in the article's undeletion, but anyone is welcome to appeal the deletion if they have evidence that it should be undeleted. -FisherQueen (Talk) 22:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In any case, this is a perfect example of a chilling effect and will only lead to more curiousity about the subject being blanketed and censored on Wikipedia. Considering that a vast majority of Wikipedia more or less come from "trivial" sources, this type of action nullifies a great deal of it's worth. Popular culture is created by and defined by "trivial sources". While academia is perhaps the litmus of stoic discussion, the vast majority of culture is defined by so called trivial mediums and it is a constantly transforming and evolving beast that can only survive via so-called trivial sources and the non-mainstream. In any case, at least this talk page is still here so the discussion can keep going. Personally, I'm convinced that it is a hoax as there are a great deal of religious-parody material out there. Some more insidiously deceptive than one might expect.Jdng 08:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: If you think there should be an article here

message: If anyone is interested, I nominated the article for a reversed deletion. Please visit WP:DRV to discuss. Thanks! --SquatGoblin 04:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If an admin is reading this discussion, would it be possible to add the  template to the main Donnie Davies article page now that there's a deletion review thread? Thanks. Gerta 20:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They should do that automatically, I thought... Thunderbunny 03:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems not -- it just had the protected template. Anyway, there's an AfD template now that it moved over there, so it's all good. Gerta 15:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I made those changes because it is a valid correction, but I have to say it's really obnoxious and rude to request changes when you say, "I don't know how to work wikipedia (don't really care)". If you don't care, then don't participate or care if the article exists or not. Since you are participating, at least have the courtesy of leaving a signature of some sort to identify yourself. A number of people have worked to make sure this article wasn't deleted, and as someone who thinks "it's bullshit that Donnie's article is being deleted", the least you could've done is politely learn to work the some of the system rather than be completely uninvolved and rudely negative. Of course, it's also a disappointment that you should feel this way about contributing to Wikipedia and maintain a blog like yours. --SquatGoblin 17:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: PS. Try going to WP:HELP. It's not all that difficult. If petty vandals can pull it off, I think you can, too. --SquatGoblin 17:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: There are references we could add. The Washington Blade refers to the WhoIsIt? information and knows that it's the same purchaser through GoDaddy, but of course that information is public so we could link to the information directly. --SquatGoblin 03:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomination for deletion reversal 

message: A new Myspace account for Donnie Davies has cropped up (recall that the original was deleted by Myspace). The new account is an obvious fraud, with inappropriate language and honestly not particularly clever. An unregistered user added a link to this account in the article, quite possibly the same person who created the new Myspace account. I've eliminated that link, but please keep an eye out and delete this link if it crops up again. Thanks. Gerta 21:02, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note the newer Myspace account (pastordavies), now linked in the article, appears genuine. Gerta 00:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It is, until Rupert Murdoch (or duly designated crony) deletes us again. Ean Schuessler 06:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bogus Myspace account

message: In the AfD thread, one participant in the discussion noted the article seems to focus too heavily on the blogs that have covered Davies rather than the Davies phenomenon itself. I agree, and it's my fault. It's the first article I've created, and when I did so, I wasn't particularly familiar with the referencing guidelines. I crammed too much detail regarding the (at that point somewhat flimsy) sources into the text rather than footnoting for better flow. I'll work on this when I get a chance, but I'd encourage others to do the same. Sometimes a fresh set of eyes can make all the difference. Gerta 15:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bloginess

message: go to the site and on the homepage (www.lovegodsway.org), roll your mouse over the red menu bar...to the left of the words "gay" "christian" "help" "contact". A dialogue box will pop-up saying "chewbaca". Please explain how any serious "religious" (term used loosely here) entity would have this as part of their site. - NormG —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.241.158.225 (talk) 21:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think you'll find too many people arguing this is the real deal any more. But for the article, we're concerned with verifiable information researched by reputable sources. If you have a source providing evidence of a hoax, it can be added to the appropriate section of the article. Otherwise, it won't meet wikipedia standards. Gerta 21:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That is the alt text for that particular image -- it only pops up the way that it does for some users who are using a particular browser which is configured to reveal alt text. It doesn't seem particularly telling, as religious people are capable of enjoying Star Wars and planting  easter eggs. If you can find documentation in a reputable source of why it is significant, then mention of it might belong in this article. Mattymatt 00:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I added it to the discussion page, since this in itself is not actually proof, just an opinion. I think it is somewhat of a joke as to what Davies looks like. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.241.158.225 (talk) 14:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proof lovegodsway.org is fake 

message: Recent additions to this article consist entirely of original research (WP:OR). Mostly, I'm referring to the "Videos" section, but also to claims of a hoax that reference Davies' blog directly. I'm too lazy to revert all those edits (since there are now quite a few), so I am deleting them. If you feel these contributions can be properly referenced, please feel free to include the information with proper sources. Thanks, Gerta 14:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: MTV aired an online segment about Davies that included footage of Oglesby from the Davies video production crew. The Davies website also posted a link to extended footage that MTV supposedly excluded (though it mostly consists of an Oglesby+Davies "interview" that appears distinct from the MTV footage). Details about these videos have been posted several times, and initially I just deleted these edits (see above) since they were unsourced and only referred to the video posted by "Davies", for which I haven't seen any reporting at all. Nonetheless, the info has been reposted, so I made an effort to improve the addition to the best of my ability rather than simply reverting. Personally, I remain of the opinion that the changes should go -- i.e. the whole third paragraph under "Identity" ("Footage of Oglesby...") doesn't really shed any light, and the info referencing the "extended" Davies video directly isn't supported by reputable sources. If someone agrees and wishes to make the changes, please go ahead; I'd prefer to steer clear of an edit war since I already deleted this stuff. Thanks, Gerta 02:41, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: "Thanks to the sleuthing of Dallas JMG reader Bob Stoller, "Pastor Donnie Davies" has been exposed as Dallas-area actor Joey Oglesby"
Sensodyne 04:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   "Davies" Exposed As Actor Joey Oglesby 

message: The article currently contains several references to actors or directors who were falsely identified as the source. While entertaining, I'm not sure if this kind of archival speculation is noteworthy. There are other third party comments that seem far more noteworthy that are not currently addressed. For instance, Andrew Sullivan commented:
:At the risk of spoiling the illusion, the God Hates Fags video is, when you examine the site more closely, and watch the video more attentively, a brilliant piece of performance art. So brilliant it illuminates what it satirizes more deeply than any argument could". 
Sullivan was being carried by TIME Magazine's blog section at that time so his comments reached a very large audience. In contrast, Dan Savage in Seattle's The Stranger, wrote:
:This is not a hoax. Donnie Davis is engaged in a deadly serious effort—a seriously successful effort—to spread the fundy message about homosexuality (it’s a choice, god hates it) through the intentional use of humor. 
These quotes seem far more noteworthy and, in my opinion, do a far better job of highlighting the mystery of the intent of the authors of the Donnie Davies phenomena. 
Ean Schuessler (talk) 21:03, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better content 

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message: This article was recently edited to claim that Davies was not a parody character, without further citation, by an account with the name Donniedavies. I've reverted the article to before the changes. Zipzipzip (talk) 16:47, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  De-fictionalization