Talk:Console wars/Archive01

message: :The GameCube's profits per console sold are better than those of Microsoft's Xbox. Nintendo have recently made a point of selling hardware at profit (this includes the Game Boy Advance variants and the GameCube), and there is a distinct lack of piracy in comparison to the PlayStation 2 and Xbox. Microsoft is believed to lose roughly $100 on every Xbox sold. While they make up some of it back in software profits, the Xbox still loses money overall. Both Sony and Nintendo also loose money in hardware sales, but at different amounts.
Clear contradiction - does Nintendo 'loose' (or 'lose') money, or do the sell at a profit?  They can't be doing both at once.  I'd change it but I am not sure which way to change it.  I've always heard (as have most people) that Nintendo makes money on consoles, but heresay isn't really good enough evidence.  Kirkbroadhurst 18:43, 4 Sep 2005 (AEST)
::Nintendo lost money initially when the Game Cube was released, as manufacturing costs went down (as well as the price) this changed. By 2003 they were making a bit of mone on every system sold, however overall throughout the Game Cube's lifespan Nintendo probably lost a bit of money on hardware manufacturing.
::: Could you provide a source for this information? That would be really helpful. LFAS 21:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction in the 'loss on console sale' 

message: As for the survey, one must be held nevertheless. It could be a straw or a opinion survey. The first one is held between people who check this article only, while the other involves making it public for any member of Wikipedia. As you can imagine, the first one involves a rather quick votation. According to the guidelines, the following questions must be answered:
* What questions should be asked?
* What will the possible answers be?
* Where a question has three or more possible answers, are people allowed to select more than one answer?
* When is the deadline?
* How will the survey be totalled?
* Will there be a summary of arguments, or a series of mini-essays, or some other way to inform users prior to the survey.
It should be possible to form the survey in less than a week, and keep it running for at least a week. Results are to be respected, if any will feel unconfortable about accepting the results of a survey, he should state so. -- ReyBrujo 18:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey 

message: I added the first console war, which took place only in North America but was a huge deal there.  It set the stage for much of what came later and I tried to concisely give that historical perspective.
I also copy edited the intro some -- I think I kept all the original content but please review to see if I mucked something up.
All comments and suggestions are welcome.  Coll7 03:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Added Atari/Intellivision/Colecovision, Edited Intro

message: Revolution will be released earlier than PS3, that was confirmed by nintendo several times...
Although no official date it will probrably be around the E3 wich happens in may... PS3 is expected in the summer of this year... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.150.78.83 (talk • contribs) .
Please, give a link with that information. Although I do believe the PlayStation 3 will launch after Revolution, we cannot speculate. -- ReyBrujo 21:35, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Dates - PS3 and REV 

message: What is with this inclusion of worldwide sales figures?
It is somewhat misleading with this article being about the console wars and many consoles continuing to sell well even after the console war in which they took place has finished (particularly thinking of the SNES here, also could be the PSX but its really far out in front anyway to begin with...) --Josquius 15:55, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales figures... 

message: "Tell me why you would buy a $600 PS3? People are going to buy two machines. They're going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii ... for the price of one PS3."
The purpose for including the quote from Peter Moore needs to be rationalized. As presented, it lends itself to an influence of bias in this context. Mallignamius
I really don't think its needed, people are editing this article to be way too much about the next generation when it is supposed to be about historical cvg stuff mainly--Josquius 13:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope of Price Section 

message: How long are we going to allow these supposed sales figures stay up without proper (or, heck, any) sources?
One week from today, any Sales Figures that do not have a proper sources will be removed from this article.  71.244.180.131 04:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it took a few mins, but any source that is uncited has been removed.  In addition, I think we can all agree that a random post on some random message board is *not* a credible source - so those figures are gone as well.  71.244.180.131 13:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted your edit, as the numbers are in line with the ones shown on the articles for the individual consoles. I think it would be best for this article to simply stay in line with those, rather then state it as an unknown. - ZakuSage 02:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the best thing would be to find a reliable source, n'est-ce pas?  Do the other articles cite a reliable source for their numbers, or do the supposed sales numbers within those articles need to be removed as well? 71.244.180.131 00:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

text: * "These wars mainly took place in the United Kingdom, which during the late 80s was the centre of the world computer game industry," (I agree with the latter half of this remark, but this is not totally uncontroversial and something should be cited in support)Gepstein 03:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

text: *Psychological Speculation? I'm not really sure what is proper protocol here, but I would think it's not okay for the article to contain the sentences: "Psychologically, debates amongst fans in a console war can be seen to be a way of dispelling buyer's remorse. This is because game consoles are often a significant outlay for a youth, and often a gamer feels they can only afford to choose one. Realizing as more games are released that one has chosen incorrectly can be a major ego bruise." (see first heading in article) This strikes me as plausible, but not something appropriate for an encyclopedia entry without some kind of citation (like a survey conducted). For consider: how does the author know this? Gepstein 03:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This article is very informative, but I agree with the previous two posts that it would be even stronger if citations were added to all of the content. According to Wikipedia policy, if your content is challenged and you have not provided a citation, your content can be removed. To make sure all the hard work that has been poured into this article remains available and stable in the future, especially for a topic like console wars that people are really passionate about and are likely to challenge, it is important that you try to add all the citations that you can. LFAS 21:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite some sources, people... 

message: As VGcharts can not be used as a reputable source for sales information, I've changed the World wide sales figures for the NES console to be in line with what the article Nintendo Entertainment System reads, 60 million, to avoid confusion and to retain the purpose of showing the World wide sales figures sections (to give a general idea of how each console faired). - ZakuSage 23:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: World wide NES sales figures

message: The Gameboy sold well because of the games.  Remember, games sell a consol, not the hardware.  They were just better made for handheld systems.
According to G4TV's Icons(note: some episodes featured are Icons, were then years later reshown on a program called Game Makers, it the same thing) they released a game for the Super Nintendo which allowed people to play Gameboy games on their regular system.  I don't remember the exact number mentioned, but I think it was about half a million units.
The games were just more fun, and kept you busy longer, plus the Gameboy was also small enough to actually take with you places, and Nintendo at that time had a lot of brand loyalty.
Dream Focus 15:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gameboy sold well because of games also 

message: Please note the site's explanatory post, as well as :Talk:Wii/archive19#670,000 or so units sold for reasons why nexgenwars.com is not a suitable source for sales figures. Dancter 03:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  nexgenwars.com