Talk:James Hanratty

message: "he was described as a retard"???  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.103.210.214 (talk) 03:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

message: hey can someone proof this , spell chaeck ti and smarten it up, it took me all day to write
Lincolnshire Poacher 20:40, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errors 

message: User Gareth Owen has deleted the entry for A6 Murder and redirected it to James Hanratty.--Darrelljon 15:47, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bob Woffinden's e-mail address is bobwoffinden (AT) hotmail (DOT) com. I wrote it in that manner to confuse spam bots which trawl wikipedia.--Darrelljon 22:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Leonard Miller's e-mail address is leonardmiller33 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com.--Darrelljon 12:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A6 murder

message: What was the bus conductresses name? Patricia something. I will add this and perhaps Fogarty-Wauls statement when I find out.--Darrelljon 13:17, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Got it, the bus conductress on the 36A Bus was Pamela Patt.--Darrelljon 21:46, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bus conductress

message: Perhaps the Evidence anomalies and new evidence could be merged. Also, would the list of agreed facts be better as a narrative?--Darrelljon 15:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It might even be better to divide sections into "Evidence incriminating Hanratty" and "Evidence exonerating Hanratty" and even perhaps "Evidence incriminating Alphon"? Or "The case against Hanratty" and "The case against Alphon"--Darrelljon 13:50, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Did Hanratty not freely admit this?--Darrelljon 20:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Apparently the prosecutor Graham Swanwick QC suggested this (see Bob Woffinden paperback page 226) at the trial but was forced to concede there was no evidence for this.--Darrelljon 19:00, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Evidence

message: The article claims the Morris Minor's journey at gunpoint is "a basic fact" about the case. Isn't it merely Valerie Storie's testimony until we find the Morris Minor abandoned?--Darrelljon 20:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Facts

message: Perhaps the Meike Dalal and Audrey Willis incidents could be included.--Darrelljon 21:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Meike Dalal and Audrey Willis

message: Is the reference to Lime Street Police Station correct?--Darrelljon 21:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lime Street

message: Someone has amended the article to read Hanratty was the eight last person to be hanged in Britain for murder. I'm not sure that's true. Wasn't he among the final 3? I think there may have been further hangings but not for murder. I think also there were further executions but by lethal injection not hanging. I am unclear on this so can someone clarify this?--Darrelljon 21:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hanratty was indeed the eighth-to-last person to be hanged in the UK. Two further hangings took place in 1962, three in 1963 (including one in Scotland) and the final two - those of Peter Allen and Gwynne Evans - on August 13 1964. A number of other murderers were sentenced to death after that date but all were reprieved. The last death sentence in the UK was pronounced in November 1965. Hanging was then suspended and finally abolished in 1998. 90.18.52.75 (talk) 21:43, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If he was eighth-to-last why does the article state seventh-to-last? Which is it? NevarMaor (talk) 15:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Last UK hanging

message: The article says in the Witness Testimony of Valerie Storie section:-
# The journey continued along the A5 through St Albans, which the gunman mistakenly insisted was Watford, before joining the A6.
# At about 01:30, the car was on the A6, travelling south, when the man said he wanted a 'kip' (sleep). Twice he told Gregsten to turn off the road and then changed his mind, and the car returned to the A6.
# At Deadman's Hill the man ordered Gregsten to pull into a layby. He at first refused, but the man became aggressive and threatened them with the gun.
But Clophill is north of St Albans on the A6. Either they were going back and forth or, at 01:30, they were travelling north.
212.58.233.129 12:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: North or south?

message: This article could easily be raised to B class if you include information the man's life before he murdered someone.
:I agree - there's nothing on his actual life? Just the crime he committed. If anyone is looking for facts I know that he was a pupil at St James High School in Burnt Oak, London - as I was a pupil there too (at a later date)! 62.25.109.195 (talk) 13:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rating

message: Hi
The names of Gregson & Storie are only hyperlinked further down (which confused me) is it a mistake or a convention?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzapper (talk • contribs) 10:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They should not be linked at all, as they redirect here. Paul B (talk) 10:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First mention of Valerie Storie not linked 

message: I have added a photo and cleaned the list text. --andreasegde (talk) 15:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: Thei article reads like it has been written by one of Hanratty's family members. I think that comes down to the original author in 2005. At any rate, I think it needs a considerable amount of editing, at the moment it looks like the a submission in his defence. According to authoritative sources, Hanratty's guilt was proved beyond a reasonable doubt - and this article should reflect that.  FOARP (talk) 15:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appears to have been written by someone convinced of Hanratty's innocence 

message: You say 'None of Hanratty’s mental history was given during the 21 days of his trial for the murder.' Does this mean that he might have been reprieved if this evidence had been presented in court? If so, the text should clarify this. 86.183.206.77 (talk) 12:22, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  His mental history 

message: Why wasn't he serving in the forces? There were plenty of low-grade jobs in various depots  -  servicing vehicles, catering, laundry work etc.  -  that would not involve handling weapons on active service. Valetude (talk) 23:20, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He would only have been eligible to do 18 months NS between the ages of 17-21. Nick Cooper (talk) 10:40, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Illiterate, and generally regarded as a retard, presumably he would have been deemed too thick even for the services? Ptelea (talk) 11:01, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Even at the time they would have come up with a more polite way of putting it than that. Nick Cooper (talk) 13:43, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Right age for conscription 

message: I have tried to explain more clearly what was involved in the DNA tests, in the process rewriting some text which I had myself originally drafted on the subject before reading the full text of these decision by the Court of Appeal.  I evidently oversimplified previously when I wrote that there was no other male DNA present.  In the case of the handkerchief, this was true.  But in the case of Miss Storie's knickers, there was the DNA of a second male, which the court interpreted as coming from her lover Michael Gregsten.
Apologies for not explaining the change here when I first made it -- another editor quite reasonably reversed the change then as being unexplained. Nandt1 (talk) 17:19, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarifying Discussion of DNA tests

message: For further information, see archive.spectator.co.uk/article/11th-may-2002/24/han-ratty-deserved- to-die  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.244.38 (talk) 16:21, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: While I've no doubt Hanratty was guilty, that's a very silly article. Paul B (talk) 16:42, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  See further info 

message: The emphasis as to why Hanratty notablity is all wrong in the current intro. 
Currently the emphasis is on his crime. Although heinous, being a rapist or a murderer is not sufficient grounds for wikipedia. Or because he was one the last people to be executed in the UK. The thing that makes this case important is what it stood for: an innocent man wrongly convicted and killed for a crime he did not commit (see Timothy Evans).  
In Hanrraty's case, he made vociferous claims that he was innocent, that led to his case becoming a cause célèbre for the campaign to abolish the death penalty in the UK. For forty years they made point after point to show that his conviction was weak and unsound. It eventually resulted in a court of appeal hearing when Hanratty's family thought he'd be exonerated but then the DNA evidence came in.
He'd done it all along.
That should be how the intro should be restructured. The crime is just the background to the events that happened after they executed the right person.
It also suggests the article should be framed that way too.86.129.3.167 (talk) 12:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The intro is all wrong (and to some extent the article as well) 

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message: This is a very complicated and controversial matter.   Gregsten's surviving family members agree with my theories about what might have happened here, and considering that they represent the victims, that is saying something quite significant.   Unfortunately at the time, there could never have been any external evidence, but hopefully one day we will get it.   Until then, it remains outside the scope of Wikipedia. 81.101.239.132 (talk) 05:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:   Nothing here about Hanratty's claims that he "was being controlled"