Talk:List of Dungeons & Dragons deities

message: Can all the new D&D deities from the newer generic sourcebooks be added to the list? I'm thinking of adding them, but I'm not sure wether or not it violates any form of copyright. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DocDragon (talk • contribs) 08:23, 21 January 2006
:Listing the names of characters in a work of fiction is deeply within the parameters of fair use (there would be no fiction on Wikipedia if this were not so). That said, you need to be careful about what sources you pull from. This article is about the core gods. If you look at my Greyhawk cosmology article on my own site, you will see that I've called out the "core deities" (i.e. those in the PHB) and the "semi-core deities" (i.e. those in other 3.5 non-capaign setting specific books). There are some on this page that I disagree with:
:*Pholtus
:*Zagyg
:*All of the dwarven powers
:*All of the elvish powers
:*All of the gnomish powers
:*All of the halfling powers
:*All of the Major Generic Monster Powers except for Blibdoolpoolp, Gruumsh and the demon lords (circa FC1:HotA)
:*All of the Minor Generic Monster Powers
:None of these appear in any current core books that I am aware of (but I'm certainly willing to believe that I just haven't read the right books). Can anyone think of a reason that these belong on this page, as opposed to the List of Greyhawk deities? Remember that sources such as Dragon and Dungeon are not considered canon... -Harmil 21:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure, but are Pholtus &/or Zagyg in Complete Divine? If not, I'm down with removing them. As for the non-human deities, I think we should keep those mentioned in the Player's Handbook, DM's Guide, Monster Manual (many monster entries also mention the deity worshipped), & Deities & Demigods.--Robbstrd 23:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, so the thing to do is to individually ... every one of these deities. By process of elimination, we should then be able to remove the ones that are not in either the "core" books or any of the other official core setting publications. To do that, I'll need to define some terms. I'll make a new section for that. -Harmil 15:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I am a bit confused about the demipower "Selene" who was listed by an anonymous user.  I don't find her in Races of Destiny (on p. 27 or anywhere else in the book), nor any other source that I can find for D&D deities.Caliban 21:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Generic Powers? 

message: I propose that we start using these terms so that a complete citation of all of this material can be given.
;core setting :The setting that is loosely described by all 3.5 edition material plus any 3.0 material which does not have a direct equivalent (yet) in 3.5 (such as Monster Manual 2).
;core gods (or deities) :The deities listed in the Player's Handbook 3.5.
;semi-core gods (or deities) :This is the term I invented for my Greyhawk cosmology page, but if someone has a better term, we can use that instead. It refers to all of the deities and powers in the core setting which are not in the Player's Handbook. One example of this would be Kyuss who appears in the MM2 entry for the Spawn of Kyuss.
If we're good with these, then I will start trolling through the books, probably in this order:
#Player's Handbook
#Dungeon Master's Guide
#Monster Manual
#Deities and Demigods
#Libris Mortis
#Draconomicon
#Complete ...
#Races of ...
That should keep me busy for a while  -Harmil 15:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as you can see, I'm well on my way. I've done PHB, DMG, Deities and Demigods, Races of Destiny, Frostburn and Libris Mortis. Next up are the Monster Manuals 1-2, Fiendish Codex I and Draconomicon. -Harmil 19:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All that really remains at this point is to finish going through the various monster manuals. The problem with those is that there's no clear "deity section", so I have to plow through them more or less linearly, which takes a lot of time. I'll get through it, though, and then we can start pruning out the non core setting deities. -Harmil 03:01, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Definitions of terms

message: These beings are not deities, and as far as I know, there's no one that actually worships them as if they were (unlike the demon lords, for example). Thus, I don't see any reason for them to be listed here. They could potentially get their own page, or perhaps Upper plane should be turned into a full-fledged article instead of a redirect, and this info should be added there. -Harmil 15:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celestial Paragons of the Upper Planes 

message: According to the reasoning in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RuneScape gods (second nomination) a page like this as well as all of the individual deities should presumably be deleted. Kappa 09:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that DnD has a much more prominent place in Pop Culture than RuneScape.  I wouldn't compare the two really, just based on that.mordicai. 14:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Related AFD

message: I'm proposing that we overhaul the handling of deities from D&D as follows:
* Rename this article, List of Dungeons & Dragons Core Setting deities
* Create a new article, Dungeons & Dragons deities, which gives an overview of the timeline for various introductions of pantheons to D&D's various settings, and acts as a disambiguation between the various cosmology and list of deity articles.
* Create a Dungeons & Dragons X cosmology article for each setting X (e.g. Dungeons & Dragons Core Setting cosmology, Dungeons & Dragons Forgotten Realms cosmology, etc.) which each have a "Deities" section, whose "main article" link goes to the appropriate List of Dungeons & Dragons X deities. These would also include the planar layout; overview of the theology; and any ongoing, inter-planar organizations/wars/etc.
* Make List of Dungeons & Dragons deities (the redirect left when this article is moved) a pure disambiguation page, listing the various setting-specific articles.
This resolves the long-standing problems that we've had with this page slowly creeping toward being either a Greyhawk list or having tons of links to articles for other settings to disambiguate. I think it's also a much saner article landscape for the casual reader, who will more quickly find what they're looking for. -Harmil 19:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quick amendment: Dungeons & Dragons Core Setting cosmology sounds right, but Dungeons & Dragons Forgotten Realms cosmology should really just be Forgotten Realms cosmology, as should the other settings. -Harmil 19:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: And here's a mockup of the new overview article: User:Harmil/Dungeons & Dragons deities. -Harmil 19:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great idea. You have my support, Harmil.--Robbstrd 18:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I've included my thoughts over at your proposal's talk page.  As a general notion I think it has a great deal of merit.  --mordicai. 18:53, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move and overhaul 

message: you've forgotten Shar (Forgotten Realms)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.243.7 (talk) 07:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Present at List of Forgotten Realms deities - Shar is not part of the 3rd and 4th Edition "core pantheons". Daranios (talk) 12:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shar (Forgotten Realms) 

message: I have Complete Divine, and there's no mention at all of Forin. I also couldn't find any mention in the expanded psionics handbook, and quite a lot of searching Google revealed very little concrete. It might be listed in a 3.0 book somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it.
LordTridus (talk) 23:03, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Forin exist? 

message: When you take a look at the D&D articles and the AFDs the problem all ties into this page's function and operation. This page should be a list of lists and not just a listing of every deity. I'm going to try and do some fixing by making tables and organizing deities to larger character lists to prevent unnecessary disruption and improve comprehension and readership. As many deities are race specific and not format specific, I think holding them by race would be a better option than repeating for individual releases. In cases of duplicate worship this page will list both, but direct to the primary "worshiper". Dragon deities should contain all dragon deities, or at least a sizable chunk for notable ones like Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons). Let's see if this fixes the problem! ChrisGualtieri (talk) 02:01, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source of problems is here 

message: I am looking for opinions if we should add external links to Planewalker.com and Dungeons & Dragons deities at Dungeons and Dragons Wiki or not.
User:TheRedPenOfDoom thinks these links would not satisfy WP:ELNO. I, however, think they would improve the article, because each does provide a unique resource for those who are interested in information about the topic of the article beyond what the article itself offers:
*Planewalker.com has articles about more or less all deities that ever appeared in Dungeons & Dragons. It is also (by its own admission) an official fansite recognized by Wizards of the Coast (as long as Wizards does not use the setting itself). Planewalker.com does, however, mix articles based on material published by TSR/Wizards and those created by contributors to the site.
*Dungeons & Dragons deities at Dungeons and Dragons Wiki has an encyclopedic scope with regard to its subject very similar to Wikipedia, but not with Wikipedia's notability requirements. Material that has been removed from Wikipedia for lack of secondary sources e.g. in the process of merging is partly present there. Although there are a lot fewer articles here than at Planewalker.com, they often have more content.
:Dungeons and Dragons Wiki is also an open wiki and therefore point 12. of WP:ELNO could be an obstacle. With 16.000+ articles and a history back to 2006, it seems quite stable to me and has shown a good resistance to spam (one of the reasons for including open wikis in WP:ELNO). The site has been moved to its current location in 2010, but this move let it conform even better to Wikipedia's standards for external links, as there are now no more advertisements present at its pages.So what does anyone else think about these links? Thanks for input! Daranios (talk) 16:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We are not here to provide link farms. There are a gazillion sites on the web with information, there is no indication the sites listed are in any way a unique encyclopedic resource. Wikipedia is not here to pimp traffic to external sites. By all the major of premises outlined in WP:EL, these links merit: No. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:53, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: External links?

message: This section appears to be very clunky and is perhaps extraneous.  Is there unique information in it or not?  If there isn't, I suggest removing the section.  If there is, is there a better looking/more graceful way to display the information? DP76764 (Talk) 18:55, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's almost like a template, but not. I don't think we need it. 129.33.19.254 (talk) 19:52, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, but isn't that section telling the reader what else is out there that one might have looked for under the heading "Dungeons & Dragons deities", but is covered in other articles? Thus I would rather like to keep it. I am undecided, however, if it should be at that place or at the bottom. Daranios (talk) 19:15, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's a purely navigational thing then maybe it should be converted to a template and added to the bottom of the article. $0.02 DP76764 (Talk) 23:41, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

text: Actually, it looks like the existing template already covers much of the information currently.  Let's just whack this section. DP76764 (Talk) 00:44, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of deities section 

message: I am listening to a podcast by a friend, and I'm trying to figure out a deity before he tells his PCs. However, there are no 5e deities listed on this page. Where are those?
Are they going to be added?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:FC8D:1C00:55CC:71FC:50AB:1220 (talk) 13:55, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  5e Deities? 

message: He played a major part in the Spellplague.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyric#Dungeons_&_Dragons_4th_edition_(2008%E2%80%932013)
:There is a separate article for Forgotten Realms deities. 8.37.179.254 (talk) 23:26, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyric in 4E, among others not mentioned 

message: "List of Forgotten Realms deities" is gone; redirects to "Forgotten Realms" with no list of deities. 
"Draconic deities" is gone; now redirects to "Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons)" with no list of deities. 
The Greyhawk list is still in place... so far. 
Zorquan is nowhere to be found. 
Wherefore art thou, Zorquan!? ProphetZarquon (talk) 19:27, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, sadly a lot a lot of material has been deleted. It could be reintroduced in case the notability concerns could be overcome by finding reliable independent secondary sources discussing those topics. If you should come upon any such sources, that would be great to know! In the meantime Zorquan can still be found here. Daranios (talk) 11:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linked lists have been deleted.