Talk:Seneca Falls Convention

message: Does that meta-text really belong in the article?:
:This Digest places the events of the Seneca Falls Convention within the larger context of American reform movements of the 1840s, discusses the influence of the Declaration of Independence on the Convention, and provides teachers and students with a sampling of social studies curriculum resources such as primary source documents, books, articles, and lesson plans available through local libraries or the World Wide Web.
(clem 20:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Meta text

message: Most of this article seems to plagiarized from the ericdigests.org site. Is this acceptable for wikipedia? - Amorwikipedia 19:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In this case, it appears okay.  The text at ericdigests.org is apparently in the public domain, being previously published by the US government's Education Resources Information Center.  The texts at ericdigests.org are text versions of PDF documents available at the official ERIC site (here's the one used for this article: ).  As far as I can tell, the text is indeed in the public domain, even though we know who the author is.  However, you didn't ask about copyright; you asked about plagiarism.  Wikipedia:Public domain states "Proper attribution to the author or source of a work, even if it is in the public domain, is still required to avoid plagiarism."  The source of the text, the ericdigests.org site, is linked to in the "External links" section, and has been for two-and-a-half years.  Whether that's sufficient to constitute "attribution" or not might be questioned, but it's certainly close.  =)  A more explicit explanation that much of the text came from that source may be in order, however.  Powers T 14:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism

message: I've edited this article a couple times to remove Susan B. Anthony's name from it. She did not attend the 1848 Convention, and was not involved in the women's rights movement at the time. She was involved in the temperance movement.
Susan B. Anthony was introduced to Elizabeth Cady Stanton in 1851 by Amelia Bloomer. Bloomer and Anthony, who were working on temperance issues, came upon Stanton on a Seneca Falls street and Bloomer introduced Anthony to Stanton. A statue in Seneca Falls marks the location where the two women who would become the leaders of the suffrage movement met for the first time. But it was three years after the convention.
It's a great story -- just not the one many people believe!
Martymaven (talk) 03:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Note about Susan B. Anthony and Women's Rights

message: I just made major changes to the article!
*Added the dates upon which the convention occurred.
*Added "Planning" section.
*Added "First day" and Second day" sections to talk about the meeting itself.
*Added "Afterward" section to discuss subsequent events and developments.
*Added "Historiography" section to discuss how later views of the event developed and shifted.
*Added news clippings from Library of Congress.
*Added prior political developments affecting women
*Added contemporary images of Stanton, Gerrit Smith, Douglass, and the historic tea table.
*Provided inline references for Lerner and Carlacio.
*Deleted significance of Seneca Falls location; the convention was held there because Stanton lived there and because the Wesleyan Chapel was expected to accept them. It could have been held in Auburn or Waterloo if a venue had been found.
*Deleted Market Revolution paragraph: nothing about women's rights there.
*Deleted extensive reference to John Locke as Stanton and the M'Clintock ladies used the United States Declaration of Independence as their model, not Locke. It was Thomas Jefferson who was influenced by Locke, originally.
*Deleted women's reform societies as unsourced.
*Deleted some not-very-closely-related "See also" entries
*Deleted a slew of so-called references that weren't used in the article.
I know this large-scale change to the article will needle some editors who were involved in its initial composition and subsequent maintenance, but it was suffering from too many hands, too much disjointedness, a profound lack of focus and too little use of cited sources. I apologize if I stepped on any toes, but I believe the subject should be treated better and presented more clearly. Cheers! Binksternet (talk) 21:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Drastic, complete rewriting of article

message: This statement: "Between July 16 and July 19, at home on her own writing desk, Elizabeth Cady Stanton added a more radical point to the list of grievances and to the Resolutions: the issue of women's voting rights. To the grievances, she added "He has never permitted her to exercise her inalienable right to the elective franchise."[29]" needs to be supported. I cannot find any references that say she added this on her own. [29] appears to only address the "never permitted" portion.
Charleebraun (talk) 16:27, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The note about "never" is in addition to the source saying Stanton wrote the woman suffrage grievance and resolution. Judith Wellman, page 193, The road to Seneca Falls: Elizabeth Cady Stanton and the First Woman's Rights Convention. Wellman describes Stanton going home and, with no help from the other women, preparing the document for the convention, sharing its contents with her husband (who helped flesh it out), and composing on her own the grievance and the resolution about woman suffrage. Binksternet (talk) 20:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [edit] Resolutions, Declaration, grievances

message: Is there any way we can get a different picture for this article? For a convention, a picture of a table is not optimal. --Fintelia (talk) 00:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Imagine what a good image would be, and either create it or snap a photo of it. Binksternet (talk) 04:14, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Main Picture 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed