Talk:Sikhs/Archive 1

message: Poorly written article. I will try to improve it gradually. What meaning does OM and OMkar have to the general reader?  Also it is actually incorrect even if it did have meaning to the reader.
The bit about Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji's triumph over large Mughal armies seems to come from the feelings Sikhs have about him but is actually exaggeration and not in agreement with general historical accounts from this period. Other superfically thought out comments:  For example the statement attributed to Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji as "he was neither Hindu or Muslim" is misleading as well.  First the statement is generally accepted in the Sikh community as the Punjabi version of the words "There is no Hindu or Muslim" which reflects his view that religious distinctions or divisions were unimportant. A very different statement. In fact, saying that he was saying "I am of a new religion" misses the main point he was making about the fact that such distinctions are not important. His point is generally taken to be about the oneness of mankind.
The article also lacks any primary teachings. Sikhs actually have an amazing set of teachings and are more than people who are in a hurry to die for some cause. Very very few actually do all the things on the list in the article everyday and yet are still Sikhs because of other more important attributes and beliefs.
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Hmm. How neutral and encyclopedic is a page that contains "Why become a Sikh" chapter? I did not notice a "Why become a Christian" in the Christianity article. Watcher 06:14, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Miscellaneous discussions

message: Admins, Please add An External Link to http://www.justsikh.com - Your online Sikh Community. Thanks
Manpreetvohra 22:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Add External Link

message: This page has some terrible spelling errors and I wonder about informal prose.
24.26.134.34 15:40, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please Comment

message: In the past I have tried to add the link to my site on Wikipedia, but apparently everytime I added the link, someone  deleted it. My website address is  *Kabira - It's an amazing Sikhism related website with wonderful pages relating to the Sikh religion and it has fascinating Sikhism related pictures as well as links. Anyone who wishes to monitor my site or check if it contains any inaccuracy may do so.
PLEASE DON'T DELETE MY WEBSITE FROM WIKIPEDIA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.42.53 (talk • contribs) 
WP:NOR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_original_research Check that out. 18:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sikhism Website 

message: I've reverted your changes because:
*Replacing the images with an image that has questionable copyright status is likely to be illegal
*Persistent use of honorifics such as 'Ji'
*POV statements such as "The great sikhs include the martyrs like "
*Excess repitition of Sikhism's disapproval of the caste system
Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:17, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes by Inderjeet1012  

message: I'm not sure how much of an issue this is outside of the United States, but I wonder if we should include a section about how turbans have led Sikhs to be mistaken for Arabs and/or Muslims and consequently subject to harassment. At the very least, turbans should be mentioned in the article if they are part of the customary (or required) dress for Sikhs. I know very little about the religion, so I don't feel I'm qualified to write such a section myself. -Juansmith 23:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking that myself. BTW, I do believe it's primarily a problem in the US only. BTW, although I'm not a Sikh myself, I do know a little bit about Sikhism and to my knowledge the turban is not required. However Sikhs are not supposed to cut their hair. For men, the turban is therefore a good way to keep the hair tidy. Nil Einne 12:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turban issue? 

message: "and are significant participants in sports such as field hockey, cricket and politics."
Maybe in certain cultures politics is considered a type of sport?  Why is this statement made?
loL.  
BTW, please sign your posts!
MrASingh 00:57, 04 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics as a Sport 

message: I have tried to add a link on Wikipedia, but someone  deletes it. The website address is  *Raj Karega Khalsa Network - It's a popular Sikhism related website with a lot of multimedia being provided by Sikhs worldwide as well as articles on Sikhism. Please don't delete the link as it is an important site providing people with free sikh multimedia and articles from which they can learn about the Sikh religion and is directly related to the page it was posted on.
Hardev Singh Khalsa
:Thanks for the link to your web site.  However, please read Wikipedia:External links.  Specifically the point:
:"A website that you own or maintain, even if the guidelines above imply that it should be linked to. This is because of neutrality and point-of-view concerns; neutrality is an important objective at Wikipedia, and a difficult one. If it is relevant and informative, mention it on the talk page and let other — neutral — Wikipedia editors decide whether to add the link."
:Please don't add your own web site.  This is tantamount to using Wikipedia as an advertising board.  If other, unrelated contributors feel your site is good enough to be added, they will do so.  Thanks. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 13:28, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is an above average site on Sikhi and should be on the external link section - I have no direct link with the author of the site. But the site is included on Sikhiwiki as it is regarded as a good site with a broad range of material. --Hari Singh 13:53, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sikhism Website 

message: I remember that, according to British law, the Sikhs (as are, I believe to an extent, the Jews) are regarded as having distinct racial classifications to other groups.  
Discriminating against Sikh individuals (and, also, I think, Jews) is regarded as racial discrimination.  
That is to say, the notion of Sikhs as a racial grouping does exist (Hopefully, there would be a way to define this using modern day science.  But it would probably be best not to).  
AsSingh | 14:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sikhs are protected as an ethnic group (which is not the same as a racial group).  That is, they share a common linguistic, religious, and cultural background.  I don't think it has anything to do with a genetic definition of race, which would be problematic anyway because there are Sikhs that are not in anyway genetically related to the people of the Punjab. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 13:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Racial Classification of the Sikhs 

message: I have added back information on surnames since Sikhs indeed use "Singh" and "Kaur" as a middle name. 192.206.28.62 01:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Added back information on surnames

message: Are all sikhs punjabi?
all sikhs are not punjabi, you can be sikh and not be punjabi, you can be punjabi and not be sikh.
also sikh are not a race, there are white people (like in canada) who have converted to sikhism and they are considered sikh, they may stick out becuase there white and have turbans but they are not considered any less sikh, if fact white converts are usally more devout.
many sikhs sitll do believe in caste, for instance a rajput-sikh and a jat-sikh are NOT considered the same race or ethnicity or anything, there considered as having the same religon but different ethnicity
:There are a few non-Punjabi Sikhs, but for the most part they are Punjabis (especially from the province of Punjab, India). 58.166.159.228 (talk) 22:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ethnicvity 

message: I think for too long this article has been twisted by editors around the world, each of whom has his own version about Sikhism, Sikh practices and most importantly notable Sikhs whose images should be placed in the image box. Some feel Canadian Sikh MPs' snaps should be displayed. Some are bent upon displaying Dr. Manmohan Singh's photo. I am not implying that the good doctor is not the pride of Sikhs (or for that matter, all Indians). But Sikh history throughout its 500 year old history, is replete with great figures, both men and women, in almost all walks of life.
Therefore, I suggest that experienced editors, who are well-versed in Sikhism should get together and decide once and for all, who should be in that box and make a permanent collage (as in the Punjabi people page). Also, editors should desist from writing their own versions of history on this page, unless they are backed by sufficient evidence. I congratulate all the editors, who worked on the Sikhism article to make it featured. If we cannot make this one featured, we should at least desist from despoiling the work of others. 
Cheers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.212.129.66 (talk) 10:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I'm surprised not to see any link to the Golden Temple in this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.217.37.156 (talk) 17:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing about the Golden Temple? 

message: What's the deal with the random picture? Shouldn't there be a caption like... first Sikh PM etc etc. Tenacious D Fans (talk) 18:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manmohan Singh 

message: question: is a child born to Sikh parents automatically viewed as belonging to the religion (as is the case with Judaism or Hinduism), or is there some kind of ceremony that makes someone a Sikh (equivelent to the Christening in Christianity or the whispering of the Adhan into the ear of the infant at birth as with Islam)? If the latter, then I really don't see the point in using the ethnicity group template for this page. If someone is not born a Sikh it really can't be viewed as an ethnic category of any kind. --Krsont 01:09, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is already a page entitled Sikhism for the religion so if this isn't an ethnic group the pages should be merged. - Arch NME 13:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree; the concept of a follower of a religion is seperate from the religion itself; for example there are different pages for Christian and Christianity and Muslim and Islam, even though neither Christian nor Muslim are ethnic categories. My point is that the use of the ethnic template is misleading for this article if being a Sikh has nothing to do with ancestry, not that this article shouldn't exist at all. --Krsont 17:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An 'ethnic group' has a much broader definition than 'common ancestry'. It has more to do with identity and social grouping. Sikhs are absolutely an ethnic group. A 'Sikh' can be someone who strictly adheres to Sikhism or someone who is simply part of the Sikh community by convention. Now some may object to using the term 'Sikh' in the ethnic sense because they may feel that it diminishes the meaning of a true 'Sikh' in the religious sense. However, that doesn't change the fact that Sikhs are a community based on culture, language, history, race and religion (though not explicitly defined by any one of these things). Muslims/Christians are not ethnic groups because in general the adherents cross too many ethnic boundaries, which is not the case for smaller groups like Sikhs, Jews, or say a Christian sub-group. Pythn 05:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  are Sikhs born Sikhs? 

message: Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.112.155.57 (talk) 04:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV haha!  "It can be truly described as the universal religion." 

message: "A shining feature of the religion is that the followers are selfless in situations where they commit to help"
Aside from being non-neutral ("a shining feature"), I doubt an actual citation can be found for this ("followers are selfless"  All of them?  Prove it!).  This sort of language is pervasive.  This article needs a serious rewrite.
:No kidding. People who want to edit this article should first know something about religion/ethnicity/culture in general. There's hardly anything on who Sikhs really are as a community (as opposed to what their religion requires them to be). The Jewish articles on Wikipedia are good examples of well written entries.  Pythn 04:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also deleted material in reference to the book written by the original prophet of the religion, as it was full of "loaded" words regarding its authenticity. e.g. "most damning proof being the fact that the."  It might be proven, but I put a "citation required" stamp there for someone to pull up the actual data. StormRyder 17:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you'd looked at the history you'd've seen that the stuff you very mildly edited had just been put in an hour earlier.  It looks like someone cut-and-pasted it wholesale from some web site, in the process deleting a bunch of stuff that's been there for a while.  I doubt the GF and the accuracy of the new stuff, so I reverted the whole thing out.  If the poster wants to integrate the additions into the article, they should do so in an orderly fashion.  Zsero 22:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV non neutral language, lack of citations 

message: The opening text is a complete total duplicate (word for word) with the "Definition" section.  I'd suggest deleting the entire "Definition" section and figuring out how to make the introduction text flow around the table of contents.  Thought I should leave it to someone who knows how to do the latter. 74.103.98.163 14:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate Paragraph

message: I just noticed the population stats say 15% Sikhs live in India and 85% live outisde India.  In fact, it is relatively reversed.  It says the worldwide population is 26 million.  Also, on the 'Sikhism' wikipedia page it says 90% of Sikhs in India live in Punjab province.  In fact its less than that.  It also says 65% of Punjab province is Sikh and there are 23 million worldwide
I want to correct these mistakes but this would be my first edit and I don't want to mess up the internet.  
I've found these sites for sources:
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikhism#Sikhs_around_the_world
Which says there are 23 million worldwide.
http://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/historical-events-in-sikh-history/population-2.html
Which says 78% of Sikhs in India live in Punjab province. It also says in 1991 Punjab province was 63%.
http://www.censusindia.net/religiondata/Summary%20Sikhs.pdf
Stats from a 2001 census. which says there are 19.2 million Sikhs in India and 14.6 million in Punjab province, which works out to 76% of India's Sikh population residing in Punjab.  It says Punjab province is 60% Sikh.
http://www.sikhchildren.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1
This page says there are an estimated 22 million worldwide.
http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_tol.jsp?id=872
This page says there are between 20-25 million worldwide.
http://www.serf.ws/
This site says there are 20 million worldwide and 68% of Punjab is Sikh.
http://www.saldef.org/content.aspx?a=1611&z=8&title=RICHMOND%20Brewpub%20shuts%20out%20turban%20wearer
This site says there are 24 million worldwide.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/21/AR2006112101770_pf.html
This article says the worldwide population is 25 million
At many sites there are references to Sikhs living in the UK, US and Canada totalling about 1.5 million.
I'm leaning towards writing 77% of India's Sikh population living in Punjab. That there are around 22-25 million Sikhs worldwide.  And that 60% of Punjab province is Sikh.
What do you guys think?
Daab 18:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: I typed in "Sikh" to get information on the history of Sikhism.  There is no information on its history which, I think, leaves a massive gap in the article.  The founding date of this religeon should be a key part of this article but yet there is not even a single sentence which refers to this.  You MUST include the history of the Sikh religeon in order to give this article some base.  Infact it probably should have been the first piece of information provided in an otherwise incomplete article.
:Start a separate article called "Sikh History" because 500 years of history is massive amount of information that cannot be summized in one section. Start a new article.--Peter johnson4 09:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  history 

message: The article states that the SIkh popultaion in the Uk totals at 700, 000, however the 2001 UK population census has Sikhs numbered at 336,000.  Are you telling me that the UK Sikh population doubled in 6 years!!!
Surely this figure of 700, 000 must be wrong.
Also i suspect that totaling the number of African Sikhs at 1, 000, 000 is also wide of the mark.
No one has anything to gain by this 'Sikh inflation'.
The Sikh popultaion of Canada as per 2001 Canadian census stands at 278, 410; again according to the article the Sikh Canadian popultaion seems to have more than doubled!!
Also, considering that there are less than a hundred Sikh families living in Pakistan, i STRONGLY suspect that there are less than 300, 000 Sikhs living in Pakistan.
In the population table, it states that Sikhs number at 26 million, whereas under the distribution heading it has Sikhs numbered at 40 million.  Can we have some consistency please!!
This Wiki page is a bad joke!
PLEASE someone sort this out...it seems as if someone has just been making these figures up!!
MSPrealMF 2239 hrs  29/06/07
More Info.
According to a lecture given by Michael Arthur in November 2004 (http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/strategy/downloads/files/ethnic.pdf.); UK Sikhs numbered at 400, 000.  Assuming that the popultaion increase is a directly proportional relationship (not very realistic i know!) i have assumed an annual increase in UK Sikh popultaion of 21, 333.
Hence I hae estimated the current UK popultaion to be 464, 000.  I have changed the UK population figure to take account of this; if you have more accurate figure then please change my ammedment.
Thanks.
MSPrealMF 1223 hrs  04/07/07
: That sounds like WP:OR to me.  If you have a source for 400K, leave it at that.  Your estimates of the increase don't belong on WP.  Zsero 15:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sikh Population in the UK

message: Can anyone upload a PD image of the Nishan Sahib to add to the page.  The current Nishan Sahib does not look dynamic enough and i cant find any PD imagaes on creative commons that are good enough.  Thx.
MSPrealmf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Msp4realmf (talk • contribs) 21:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Public Domain Image Needed 

message: I think it would be better if the battle of Saragarhi were referenced w/o referring to exclusively Sikh associated sources.  Can anyone re-reference the Saraghari bit wrt neutral military texts?  Thx. Msp4realmf.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Msp4realmf (talk • contribs) 14:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Saragarhi References

message: The names of Sikh VC winners are produced under the Sikh Victoria Cross winner section and again under the Sikhs in World War I & II and other Wars section; it would be more straight forward if one set of names was deleted.  What do you think?msp4realmf 01:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Repetition of Sikh VC winners

message: I am going to write a few paragraphs under the title Sikh Culture, can anyone give me any cultural artefacts/activites that i should include that can be said to be wholely or even mostly Sikh?  E.g. would it be appropriate to mention Bhangra and Khabbadi; or should it just sikh to religiousity, e.g. Vasaikhi, Nagar Kirtan, Akand panth etc.  Cheersmsp4realmf 22:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Homogeneous Sikh Culture

message: Sikhism and Punjabi culture are two sides of the same coin. All the Gurus were Punjabi and Punjabi culture is inextricably woven into Sikhism and history. There's an old Sikh saying that in order to understand Sikhism you must first understand Punjabi culture and history. In short the traditional Sikh view prevails and rules which is Punjab culture and history is the mother and father of Sikhism.--Sikh historian 01:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sikhism and Punjabi Culture

message: the picture of sri nishan sahib is not right. it has been posted in a rectangular shape, making it look like the flag of a country or state. the image should show whole of nishan sahib. and the shape is triangular, with the central tip pointing away from nishan sahib.somene please post the correct picture.can i post a pic clicked by me. if yes then how?Mauji 13:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  nishan sahib photo 

message: Please add External link to http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Sikh - This is a free Sikh encyclopaedia which has over 3000 articles on Sikhi and 1000hits daily. Thanks. Hari Singh 15:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Sikhiwiki external link 

message: This article provides the correct spelling in East Panjabi/Gurmukhi. However, I feel West Panjabi/Shahmukhi/Urdu spelling should also be provided, as it was a common writing system for Sikhs before Partition.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aflatun (talk • contribs) 20:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

message: I think we need a picture of Ranjit Singh.He was the first sikh king and one of the greatest sikhs.He did a lot for sikhism and gurudwaras in punjab, espl. the golden temple.It is better than showing cut surd's pictures as SikhsAjjay (talk) 18:48, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maharaja Ranjit Singh 

message: Please can somebody ad the Sikh population in The Netherlands under "Regions with significant populations"
On the Sikh website in the Netherlands it is stated as 12000 http://www.sikhs.nl/index.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quirijnvw (talk • contribs) 20:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sikh population in The Netherlands: 12000 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Holla.jpg

message: The Gurdwara is a holy place for Sikhs. It is referred to as a temple to non-Sikhs however, the Sikhs only call it the Gurdwara out of respect. The Sikhs go to the Gurdwara on a daily basis to pray and to practice their five bani's. It in indeed a peaceful place for the Sikhs and all are welcomed at any time 
--Nijjargurl (talk) 05:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gurdwara 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Holla.jpg

message: The sikhs have been one of the most persecuted communities in the world, They were persecuted even in modern india by nehru, indira and rajiv gandhi. Somebody help find a ref. for this thanks.Ajjay (talk) 17:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  persecution 

message: I think we need to merge 'Sikh philosophy' and 'Sikh gurus' into one paragraph to  give a balanced para, which should not be lenghty and filled with names, considering there are seperate articles for each of themAjjay (talk) 10:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  sikh philosophy 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Holla.jpg

message: I have nominated the article for GA! let's hope it comes through!!Ajjay (talk) 18:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Nomination 

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
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#"Essentially Sikh history, with respect to Sikhs as a distinct political body, can be said to have began with the martyrdom of the fifth Sikh Guru, Guru Arjan Dev in 1606." Shouldn't Sikh history start with it's foundation??????
#The article talks about the empire, but what about small states as Sikh Confederacy, unification as empire and end of empire.
#"Communal tensions between Sikhs and Hindus arose again in the late 1970s, fueled by Sikh claims of discrimination and marginalization by the Hindu dominated Indian National Congress ruling party and the "dictatorial" tactics adopted the then Indian Prime Minister, Indira Gandhi.[38] Frank[38] argues that Gandhi's assumption of emergency powers in 1975 resulted in the weakening of the "legitimate and impartial machinery of government" and her increasing "paranoia" of opposing political groups led her to instigate a "despotic policy of playing castes, religions and political groups against each other for political advantage". As a reaction against these actions came the emergence of the Sikh leader Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale who vocalized Sikh sentiment for justice and advocated the creation of a Sikh homeland, Khalistan. This accelerated Punjab into a state of communal violence.[39] Gandhi's 1984 action to defeat Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale led to desecration of the Golden Temple in Operation Bluestar and ultimately led to Gandhi's assassination by her Sikh bodyguards.["NOT NEUTRAL. "Assert facts, including facts about opinions—but do not assert the opinions themselves."
#"Representation" and "Distinguished Sikhs in the Modern Era" have overlapping info.
#"The farming skills of the Sikhs and their willingness to work hard, ensured that they rose from humble migrant labourers to become landowners who control much of agriculture in California. 
#"Today American Sikh agriculturists such as Harbhajan Singh Samra and Didar Singh Bains dominate Californian agriculture and are known colloquially as the "Okra" and "Peach" kings respectively." needs citation.
#  tag in Representation.
# "In India, the Jatt ethnic grouping is by far the largest at a population of 11,855,000 followed by the Mazhabi at 2,701,000 with the Tarkhans totaling 1,091,000." Stats need citations
# "By the advent of World War I, Sikhs in the British Indian Army totaled over 100,000; i.e. 20% of the British Indian Army." 
# Expand "Sikhs during the Indian Independence Movement". Write about revolutionaries like Bhagat Singh, Udam Singh etc.
#  in "Sikhism in Western World".
# "The Punjab itself has been called India’s melting pot" 
# http://sikhchic.com/ not WP:RS--Redtigerxyz (talk) 05:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GAN review 

message: I request Punjabi scholars from Punjab India who learn to write Punjabi at school to kindly give the correct spelling of the word "Singh" in Punjabi, in the Singh article. Kindly please edit it for correct Punjabi spelling and provide a reliable acceptable reference at least on the discussion page.
Some foreign born editors keep misspelling it, it seems, I have corrected the Hindi spelling, kindly provide a reference for Hindi spelling too if possible.
Thank you in advance.
Atulsnischal (talk) 06:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It not really misspealled, the punjabi words for some reason don't show up correctly on firefox, use Internet explorer instead. --Gman124 talk 18:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The following is the page before you edited it  and here is the one that was after you changed the spelling,  If you look at these two examples on Ineternet explorer then the text on first on will show up correctly, but if you use firefox the text on the second link will show up right. --Gman124 talk 18:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Punjabi spelling of [[Singh]]

message: On March 30th, 1699,the leaders of the Sikhs created the day of Vaiskhi. On this auspicious day, the small religion known as Sikhism formed its followers known as the Khalsa Panth. The term Khalsa refers to the purity in oneself and with that of Guru Gobind Ji, who gave true birth to Sikhism. Sikhs, the disciples of Sikhism, are  to follow the five "K's" ; which give rules to distinguish Sikhs from others. The word Khalsa also refers to the meaning behind the words spiritual and defender. Both these words signify what it means to be true to the Khalsa in that it represents the religion of Sikhism as well as refers to  the fact that we are defenders of it.http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist/events/khalsa.html
The number five has always been a sacred number to the Sikh religion. It is why on this very day,Guru Gobind Singh Ji asked for five heads. He wanted the lives of five men who would give up their life to protect and maintain their religion. These five men who sacrificed their lives are considered His beloved till this very day. They are the roots to the creation of the Khalsa Panth and they represent the Khalsa. They are the reason for the existence of Sikhism which is now the fifth largest religion in the world.
--Nijjargurl (talk) 04:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Creation of Khalsa and what it means to the Sikhs? 

message: Someone put a tag on "Sikh Rajputs" article that it will be deleted in five days etc., this article can not be deleted as Sikh Rajputs exist and most claims made in the article are true as well known to local Indians in Punjab only the need is that some interested and knowledgeable editors with access to proper history books etc. can eventually come forward and develop the article properly in time, quoting credible sources. Foreign born and raised editors with no direct local Indian knowledge are requested not to vandalize it as per their own fastly held thoughts and beliefs.
Thanks
Atulsnischal (talk) 08:17, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: HELP!!! NEEDED for Article on [[Sikh Rajputs]]

message: The following statement in the current version of article is incorrect: 
meditate on the holy name (Waheguru)?? ..what is "holy name"? Does AGGS really give this message? This is wrong transliteration work that often arises from thoughtless word-to-word transliteration of AGGS. The word "naam" which is often transliterated to "name" in English has been used in various different meanings in AGGS, knowledge about the ultimate truth being the most important (perhaps even most frequent) of those. Sikh theologists do not agree on transliteration to "name" at least for the core message of Sikhism. Regards, --Roadahead (talk) 22:49, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect statement 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Professor Piara Singh Gill.jpg

message: they are black spot on sikhism, they were given duties to protect mrs gandhi. thier act was a shame on sikhism bravery, they could have resgined as body guard and killed her they could have been real brave.
like udham singh who served GEn diar, but he left his job and killed him openely. 
i suggest these names must be removed from Achieved Martyrdom for respect of Sikhs 
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Non Sikhs could have different views for Satwant Singh and Beant Singh, but both of them are great heros for Sikhism and their pictures are proudly displayed in Central Sikh Meusuem in Amritsar. Sikhs love both of them to such an extent that Beant Singh's widow was elected as a Member Parliament (of India) with a huge margin immediately after her husband's martyrdom. Her victory  echoes sentiments of Sikhs in India.
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Beant Singh & Satwant Singh are very much respected in Sikhs. It is clear from the fact their photographs are present in most of the Sikh museums including Golden Temple & Delhi Sis Ganj. 
T-shirts bearing their photographs have become popular in Sikh youth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabhroo (talk • contribs) 23:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Beant Singh - Satwant Singh

message: There appears to be something wrong with the population figure. I always though the Sikh worldwide population stood at 5% of the world population and has grown recently from 2% to 5%. At 26 million, these numbers are next to nonexistent. That can't be correct.
Taking the world population as being 6,602,224,175 (as of 2007); The Sikhs make up 0.39% of the world's population.
:We would need citations... ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 23:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: The version 2. august 2007 has the rather funny desciption a ..."A Sikh can easily be recognized by his turban, beard, and by the group of metropolitan police following him into the subway."
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sat sri akal . it appears that many people who have posted their comments on this page do not have exhaustive knowledge about sikhism,much as they would like to believe. their first error is 
a) talk about bathing guru granth sahib and flowing it when it gets old: there is no ritual in sikhi which requires bathing guru granth sahib.sikhi itself does not believe 
in any kind of rituals.regarding flowing the granth sahib when it gets old is ignorent observence. a true sikh knows that the birs are cremated when they become old. please visit goindwal sahib and see that they cremate old birs and gutkas on a decided day of every month after performing ardas.
b)talk about guru gobind singh ji's bani not included in guru granth sahib: a true sikh knows that it was a tradition of the great gurus that thay the bani recited by them was added in adi granth by the succeeding guru. adi granth was compiled by guru arjan dev and it included bani of the first five gurus ,including guru arjan dev's bani, who was the fifth guru.the sixth,seventh and eight'th guru did not recite any bani.the ninth guru,guru tegh bahadur, recited bani but did not add it in the adi granth. when guru gobind singh prepared the final version of adi granth at damdama sahib, he added guru tegh bahadur's bani in it but not his own.afterwards he bestowed guruship on granth sahib and it came to be known as guru granth sahib.
c)talk about guru gobind singh saying "guru maane granth": the person who evaluated this ,a self confessed sikh ,sadly is very ignorent. it's'notGURU MAANE GRANTH" but'guru maaneyo granth which means that hold the granth as your guru.guruji said that every sikh was to hold guru granth sahib as their guru. that is why it is called yugo yug attal guru granth sahib meaning the everliving guru.
d)talk about guru gobind singh saying that any person who holds him as guru will go to hell:guru gobind singh was the tenth guru of the sikhs. he stated any person who hold him as god would be damed to hell. and not guru as stated in beginning of this page.
e)talk about guru gobind singh raising khalsa as an army:a very ignorent self proffessed sikh holds the view that guruji required observence of the five k's for maintaing disciplne among his army.he does not understand the essence for observing this code. guru ji did not raise an army, but he converted his followers i.e the sikhs into unified distinct group of people.sikhs were to be recognised by their distinct appearence. when guru gobind singh administered khande ki pahul to sikhs they became khalsa. then the panj piaras administered khande ki pahul to guru gobind singh. thusthe khalsa was merged into the guru and the guru into khalsa.
f) talk about going to gurudwara and bowing before guru granth sahib as fruitless:only a person who has no knowledge of sikhi and it's struggle and sacrifices ,which are unique in the world , can hold such a view.it comes in our ardasas amritsarji de ishnaan. a sikh asks for gods blessing to be able to bathe in the holy amrit sarovar at darbar sahib commonly known as the golden temple , amritsar.the sikhs bow before their guru,yugo yug attal guru granth sahib because  god can be realised only through the guru. it is our spiritual guide and helps us to better ourselves as human beings and help and love others.
sikhs do not hold their gurus as god or avtaars of god. sikhi does not believe in incarnation of god in any form whatsoever.if certain sikhs choose to ignore the basic principles of sikhi and follow their own way of thinking then this can not be attributed with sikhi. if an individual follows any ritual of any sort , then that is his chosen path and not of sikhi. actions of individuals can not be held to be that of sikhi even if the individual is a sikh.
:Please sign your posts. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 23:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  VANDALISM

message: Does anyone have any information on the role of Sikhs in the US Army? I have heard that there are quite a few of them, and that they are mostly officers, but I have no verification and am not sure if my information is correct.Bostoner (talk) 02:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Col G. B. Singh (author of Gandhi Behind the Mask of Divinity and Gandhi Under Cross Examination), Col. Sekhon, Aaron Singh Mann, Ranbir Kaur are some examples. --RoadAhead =Discuss= 03:58, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sikhs in the US Army 

message: I want to thank the person who removed the photo of Navjot Singh Sidhu . I tried it several times but someone replaced it back .Although he was a good cricket celebrity but he aint that good to symbolise the whole Sikh Community. He also Talked to much though and we have better people to put their.I mean no photo of the Ten gurus , No photo of the Bhagats , just Sidhu !!! that was unfair to people who have made major and significant contributions and even had sacrificed their lives. Dont they desrve just a picture on wikipedia. PLEASE someone put a photo there of those people not some cricketer.
the population of Sikhs has no count of Sikks in Africa.
No two there is no mention about Sat Guru RAM singh who was one of freedom fighters of INDIA  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.223.57.75 (talk) 12:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finally done with Sidhu 

message: are comb, underwear, dagger knife, metal bracelet, and uncut hair  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.40.136 (talk) 01:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  the 5 k's!! 

message: I am not very knowledgeable about the religion or the community, but it is decidely odd that Guru Nanak isn't mentioned at all on this page...--iFaqeer 01:47, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)
Gurpreet- Sikh population in Australia is 22,000....
reference: http://www.sikhcouncil.org.au/sikhsinaustralia.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.57.150.68 (talk) 21:35, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guru Nanak... 

message: Why is the article locked? Open source isn't worth much if anons like me can't help. There is a spelling mistake in the introduction, the misspelling "tremdously"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.1.106.178 (talk) 04:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing article

message: Hi I am Harpreet Bajwa frm Los Angeles & Here I notified that Date of formation of Khalsa is wrongly mentioned under History Tag in this wikipedia. Actual Date is 13 April 1699 but here is 30 March 1699 mentioned. Please change it as earliest possible.
-- Harpreet Singh 04:07 PM PST
:Well, I had initiated a discussion at Talk:Guru Gobind Singh#Date_of_creation_of_Khalsa yesterday. Some books say it's 30 March 1699, while others say it was 13 April 1699.
:The SGPC site says 30 March 1699. Fundamentalisms observed‎ (Page 59) by Martin E. Marty etal. says "...the unusual happening of 13 April (some say it was on 30 March) 1699". utcursch | talk 02:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of creation of Khalsa 

message: Bana Singh and Gurbhachan Singh Salaria are Rajputs they are not sikhs as claimed. kindly rectify the error.           
  NAVIN PRATAP SINGH SALARIA  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kunwarsalaria (talk • contribs) 07:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sikh  

message: Murder#Murder in religion needs input on non-Abrahamic belief systems. One or two paras would be a big help. Thank you. LeadSongDog (talk) 13:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Input needed 

message: Where is Australia on the list of national populations?
Bitbut (talk) 10:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia 

message: * Cosequent to different Socio-Political perceptions, racial & communal pressures etc, far too many varients of the One & Only One true  definition of a 'Sikh' formally documented in Aadi Granth & amplified by this amaturish Wiki PenPal Team, exist causing confusion. The True definition is >>True definition of a Sikh.
* All other definitions are Fake / Half Truth definitions.
Hope this Helps ! This team will consider it as their holy duty to provide inputs on Sikhism with due references from Adi Granth as may be required. 
Upright PenPallllllllllls --AmiBalRaj (talk) 15:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sikh Defined

message: Would it make sense to combine the articles "Sikh" and "Sikhism"? There seems to be a lot of overlap between them. The same would potentially apply to any pair of articles which cover a religion vs. an adherent of that religion.
118.208.253.96 (talk) 11:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combine Sikh and Sikhism articles?