Talk:Glory hole

message: I have no interest in glory holes for my own use, so have no idea if they're used for this purpose... but here in the UK, it's not particularly uncommon to find holes in the walls of public toilet cubicles that were clearly deliberately bored. Mind you, the diameter of the things has generally been only an inch or less, which may mean they were made more to look through than to poke through. Usually someone has stuffed them with toilet paper as a temporary repair until the maintenance staff fix the wall properly. I couldn't say with confidence whether they're becoming less common, but as new cubicles often have plastic dividers rather than wood or plaster ones, this may be the case. Loganberry (Talk) 01:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: UK

message: Although the article doesn't include a "References in Popular Culture" section, it might be worth mentioning that the John Waters movie Desperate Living features an absurdist sight gag about a glory hole in the stall partition of a women's toilet. (The movie's "lesbian glory hole" actually consists of THREE holes -- a triangular opening down below, and two circular holes at breast-level.) The joke is that in real life, the practice is most likely non-existent among lesbians. Throbert McGee 05:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, good suggestion. Banjeboi 01:41, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Desperate Living'' sight gag of glory holes

message: Could almost be eligible for GA, believe it or not...--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 18:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's almost entirely thanks to Benjiboi. The article looked like this just a week ago. —Angr If you've written a quality article... 18:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Congrats everyone who worked on this. I would nominate for GA once the pop culture section is fully sourced and the fact tag removed.--SidiLemine 15:05, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This is really well sourced

message: Seems worth of a mention, even if only a sentence in the lede that although almost universally a convenience used by gay and bisexual men glory holes have appeal in pornography directed at all orientations including erotica and films. I think we can find a few sources to support this as well. Benjiboi 08:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed Benjiboi is right, gloryholes are useful for heterosexual action too and there's little to doubt that probably this idea is as old as glory holes themselves Undead Herle King (talk) 11:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Strait porn depiction?

message: Sorry, but how does it let users "observe" each other while "maintain[ing] anonymity"‽ ✏✎✍✌✉✈✇✆✃✄Ⓠ‽ (talk) 18:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The holes are generally too small for the person being observed to see who is watching them. This probably could be made more clear. Banjeboi 00:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anonymity 

message: "Body parts including fingers, tongue, and penis for anonymous oral, vaginal and/or anal intercourse."
Is it my English skills, or is this sentence shy of a verb?
:Done. Good catch.  -- Banjeboi 03:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the verb? 

message: Here are some relevant sources that could be used:
Male dominance and the gay world, by Gregg Blachford.
Sexualities: Difference and the diversity of sexualities Ed. Kenneth Plummer, Taylor & Francis, 2002, p.301
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PXABwTllLggC&pg=PA301&vq=glory+hole&dq=glory+hole+gay&lr=&source=gbs_search_s&cad=0
"The ultimate sexual objectification on gay male sexual encounters is the glory hole in public toilets.  As a wall separates the two participants, they have no contact except for a mouth, a penis, and perhaps a hand.  Almost total anonymity is maintained as no other attributes are taken into consideration."
Glory Holes and the Men who use Them, by Don Bapst.
Journal of Homosexuality, Vol. 41, No. 1, June 2001 , pp. 89 - 102
Abstract
"This paper gives a brief description of the “glory hole” and its popularity in certain arenas of public homosexual activity along with an overview of academic and underground resources that have acknowledged its existence. Testimonies, drawn from interviews with ten openly homosexual men in San Francisco who have used glory holes for sexual encounters with varying frequency, form the bulk of the paper, testifying to the diverse motivations, experiences and perceptions that make the glory hole appealing to its users."
and cited here:
The Intellectual Legacy of Laud Humphreys: His Impact on Research and Thinking about Men’s Public Sexual Encounters, by Richard Tewksbury (Department of Justice Administration, University of Louisville, Kentucky)
International Journal of Sociology and Social Policy, Volume 24 Number 3/4/5, 2004, p. 47
"One additional study (Bapst, 2001), published after most of the above discussed research looks both across the spectrum of erotic oases, while also focusing on one aspect of many/most erotic oases: glory holes. The glory hole – typically a waist high hole drilled, punched or filed in a wall (often between stalls in public restrooms or adult bookstore peepshows, but also in a wide range of other locations) through which one man will insert his penis for (typically) oral sex – is a long-standing icon of gay subcultures throughout the world. Bapst (2001) presents data from interviews with men who have participated in glory hole sex that shows that there are diverse motivations, experiences and attributions of value associated with glory holes and glory hole sex among gay men. Research with the glory hole centralized is an interesting twist on the traditional approach to studying erotic oases and hosted activities. Typically the location is centralized, not the structural feature of some/any setting that facilitates impersonal, anonymous sex."
Mish (talk) 14:33, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: New Sources

message: Oh God, you've reverted the sources again. I cannot explain to you how difficult it was to dig through the article and hunt down and expunge all the invalid sources. It literally took me forty minutes. I can't handle doing this repeatedly. Please provide some assistance, I may attempt to do it again from scratch right now but I'll probably break something and I just don't have the energy to tediously fix every single gigantic reference block. 69.105.109.37 (talk) 11:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it was much easier this time since I remembered most of what I did last time. I broke the Ozark one again but I'm tired and need to sleep. Please do not reinsert the deleted content as it violates WP:Source. 69.105.109.37 (talk) 12:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Improper Sources

message: I reverted this because I've seen no definitive discussion, only a revert war over whether it should be in or out.  This is so you can discuss this instead of disruption.
OK, the image originates here =  - and comes from the Kitchen department, where there should have been a faucet.  It is meant to be humerous, but is an artistic/photographic representation of a glory hole.  I see no reason why an illustrative joke should not be included. Mish (just an editor) (talk) 22:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hah, glad that guy replied to me on Flickr. As to whether the image belongs... I'm still pretty shaky on including it simply as an "artist's depiction". If we do, I'm very much against saying it's "from Ikea", and even more against "an Ikea restroom". I don't intend to swing around an argument in violation of WP:NLT, but I do see this as a problem per WP:DOLT; I'm reasonably sure you can defame a corporation. And while images themselves are exempt from WP:NOR (per WP:OI, their captions in articles certainly are not. If the image is to be kept... then I'd definitely like a new caption per WP:CAPTION. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 12:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's out - leave it out. You may be interested in this discussion at ANI. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank God it's gone. Please update that link to an edit def or link to the archived discussion.  69.105.109.37 (talk) 03:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ikea Image 

message: There is a link to the etiquette artical, but no specific etiquette for a glory hole other than wait for an invitation. Is there anything else? Like.... not blowing your load into a guys mouth without warning.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Herogamer (talk • contribs) 17:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  etiquette 

message: This section was deleted by a user to has made it clear that he deletes sections like this across wikipedia because he does not approve of them Assuming good faith, he appears to have a genuine belief that Wikipedia is better without such sections. He has a right to his opinion, but we work by consensus.
I've reinstated it, but the section as a whole seems to give popular culture undue weight.  I think that the section needs discussion and a true consensus needs to be formed about it.  Probably it should have a number of items removed and remain as a section. I think one should view total removal again as vandalism, the more so since this talk page attempt to build consensus is here. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 18:40, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Culture section 

message: WKUK did a comedy sketch where a husband was yelled at by the wife for going to a glory hole. Is WKUK notable enough to add?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.146.33.239 (talk) 06:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What does skin color have to do with this?  139.138.6.121 (talk) 07:51, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Whitest Kids U' Know is a sketch comedy group that had their own TV show, similar to Kids in the Hall and Monty Python's Flying Circus. 2601:5C1:300:DF50:4055:8B64:8834:A65B (talk) 02:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitest Kids U' Know

message: A "glory hole" is one of three specialty furnaces used by glassblowers. 
I found a reference to that usage in "Reversal", a crime fiction novel by Michael Connelly.
Such usage is also referenced in  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassblowing
Dlhutchins (talk) 00:00, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another use of "glory hole" 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Are there any sources that state the origin of the TERM Glory Hole to refer to this sort of sexual act?  I know that glory hole has a meaning in both mining and glassblowing, and possibly other places too, but what came first?  Or did the term spontaneously arise amongst the gay community for reasons unrelated to the industrial terminology? Fieari (talk) 13:31, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: If you go to Wikimedia Commons and look up Gloryhole, there are several photos of penises coming through gloryholes and at least one photo of actual gloryhole fellatio taking place.  In theory such a photo or two would truly illustrate the topic beyond any doubt.  However, I am not going to take it upon myself to incorporate such media into the this article for the simple reason that I don't know what the Wikipedia policy is.  There are lots of images of other sex acts over on Wikimedia but the related articles over here are illustrated primarily with Seedfeeder's excellent art work, not real live photographs so kinda taking that as a clue that maybe putting photos into sex-related articles might be going too far.  Is there a policy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.36.193.247  (talk • contribs) 18:02, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Illustrating with Real Photos (aka porn)

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thread_title: External links modified

message: Seconding sentiment from two years ago that such an interesting term could use an etymology section on its page. History is required, too. I'm sure we could find references for a history section in early queer literature and maybe satires from antiquity: one possible source for the latter may be (I'm hoping) Miles Gloriosus. I've asked a question about that on the ref desk, which might inspire people to come to this page to edit. Temerarius (talk) 17:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Term and history

message: Articles like This are why WP is banned in most schools.  139.138.6.121 (talk) 07:52, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't lick the glory hole, then FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 08:15, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

text: That is not true. 71.10.244.110 (talk) 07:08, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad Taste

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved to Glory hole. Consensus is clear that this usage of the term is the primary topic. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 16:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Glory hole (sexual slang) → ? – The current title fails WP:UMD, because the article is about, uh, a thing rather than a phrase. A previous title is Glory hole (sexual), and while I can see why an adjective alone is a bad qualifier, it at least wasn't wrong. I'm open to other ideas. Glory hole (sexual practice)? Glory hole (sexuality)? Neither of those are perfect, but I think they'd be improvements too. --BDD (talk) 16:25, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 29 July 2021 

message: It has come to this user's attention that there are many different variations of Sexual Anonymity using a Glory Hole approach from Stage Magic/Illusion, Natural Body Magic, Furry Fandom, Robot Fetishism, Partialism, Bondage, Masking, and so forth. While it has not been studied in specifics, the universal concept is clear that a "Glory Hole" is not just a historical physical object, or act, but one even used by those on the internet to be sexually anonymous in their activities. They should be attributed to in the Popular Culture section in their own right as part of the entire "Glory Hole" experience. If not then it should be expanded upon through a section dedicated to "Multi-Media." 2600:6C4E:C00:6382:1818:9865:ADCC:7C8F (talk) 01:23, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Glory Hole" as a Universal Concept for Sexual Anonymity in Popular Culture and Eroticism