Talk:Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany

message: "The death rate of these prisoners has been estimated at 60 percent, a higher rate than those of other prisoner groups" Citation needed for this section. Where are these estimates coming from? is it from an article? records? JBurris123 (talk) 20:07, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it's in the lead, no need to double cite and the source is included later in the article (MOS:LEADCITE) Ppt91 (talk) 20:11, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

text: are you saying you didn't find the part of the article that supports the lead summary, or that you don't think the cited source supports the content? Either way, I don't think readers will commonly interpret the line as suggesting that "greater numbers of homosexuals died than Jewish people", as it references "rate" twice. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:25, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, most Jews who died in the Holocaust were never registered in a concentration camp, so this sentence would not apply to them. I don't know the exact figure for the rate of Jewish concentration camp prisoner death. Zinn, Alexander (2020b). (the cited source, p. 12) only compares with Jehovah's witnesses and political prisoners. (t · c) buidhe 21:33, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations Missing 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Hilst [talk] 13:08, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany →  – The title uses the term "homosexuals" which is not gender specific, whereas this article is specifically about homosexual men. We have a hatnote which says  To prevent further confusion, I think we should change the title. I've also seen a lot of style guides discourage use of the term "homosexual" due to being outdated, but I'm unfamaliar with Wikipedia's stance on this.—Panamitsu (talk) 11:10, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Oppose  because the sources are more likely to use homosexual. I would not oppose "homosexual men" though. However, none of the titles are quite satisfactory because (unlike the Nazi persecution of Jews or various national /ethnic groups) this persecution attacked the behavior and not the identity and notably also included pedophiles that targeted underage boys, bisexual men, straight men and boys working as prostitutes, and some trans women. (t · c) buidhe 15:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Oppose, since "gay" is a bit anachronistic and carries additional cultural context that is inapplicable to the men described in this article. Some of the best sources use "gay", but most use "homosexual". I would support a move to Persecution of homosexual men in Nazi Germany, as I think the improvement in precision is worth the loss of concision. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Oppose but, as above, would support a move to Persecution of homosexual men in Nazi Germany. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 18 January 2024