Talk:Lalu Prasad Yadav/Archive 1

message: The title of the article is flawed.His name is most widely spelt as Laloo not Lalu.The Headline should be reverted to Laloo prasad Yadav.It is Laloo also spelt lalu and not vice versa.210.211.160.220 15:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see . "Everybody knows that [it is Lalu] in his home state Bihar. It is the media which distorted the spelling, sometimes with deliberate mischief". utcursch | talk 03:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laloo or Lalu

message: Hi respectable editors ,Plz kindly discuss what should be the layout of the page.every sentence seems to be controversial on this page and a citation is attached.I think reading the citation after going to reference column is not suitable for this page because i see in it attempt to mask the citation and excuse to interpret in one's own POV,which is both unwanted andCriminaltoo.Besides an encyclopedia article need not be bundle of newpaper clippings(unfortunately some editors want it to be).Please insert only relevant references which are useful in reflecting the true personality of the person you are writing on.Holywarrior 12:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: citation and facts 

message: Copied as it is (except for the word alleged) from BBC Profile: Laloo Prasad Yadav
 His problems however began in 1996 when the police unearthed 
 a big corruption scandal in which he and the state's leading 
 bureaucrats and politicians were involved.
:Removed. utcursch | talk 11:59, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: One or two lines from an article outside, do not consitute violation of copyrights, do they? --Andy123 21:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio inside article

message: It is लालू  but shouldn't it be ललू , or am I hearing it misprounced?
Google isn't helping me either way, (all references to the former are for pages that are links off of wikipedia, and there are no references to the former), possibly because the Hindi papers aren't implementing Unicode or implementing it badly.
Arun 07:58, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of Name in Devanagari 

message: If you check the licensing of the image, it says that the image should be removed if it has been created after the year 1945, which it definately has been (something, which I am guessing after looking at the white hair on the top of laloo's head). I propose that the picture be deleted and a substitute be found for it. --Andy123 21:19, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture is copyrighted

message: This article has several missing citations (I counted at least 10). I have added a missing citations template message at the top of the article.
Also this heading on the talk page is bugging me...
"The article doesn't mention his greatest feat as railway minister bringing railways the profit of Rs11000 crores."
-- Please provide a reliable citation if you are going to make these claims.
I have put this in article with reference.Infact it has become a case study now and IIM ahmedabad is closely watching how laloo managed this turnaround.I hope someone will put this study in article .Holywarrior 14:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many missing / unreliable citations 

message: There seem to be many vandals on this page I have noticed one called utcursch Please kindly notify others and discuss their move.this person seems to be hell bent to destroy the article.He quotes ridiculous sources to back his viewpoint.Unfit for editing this pageHolywarrior 07:32, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi! I am a very respectable user, and not a vandal. I have been editing Wikipedia since 2003 and I was elected an administrator unopposed. Please see Wikipedia:No personal attacks. I've written most of this article, including the section which praises Lalu. I am neither a Lalu-fan nor a Lalu-hater. This is an encyclopedic article and needs to have all viewpoints (see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view). I think you are being too judgemental about me. May I ask you why did you remove the date of birth and the reason behind why he is called Lalu and not Laloo? You also removed the citations (using the ref tags and the cite web template) calling it "vandalism". Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Mumbai Mirror is not a "ridiculous" source. It is published by The Times Group, the media house which owns India's largest selling English newspaper, The Times of India. It's demand has outplaced its supply . utcursch | talk 09:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, your fork Lalu:Railway Minister has been reverted by User:RHaworth. It's not a general practice at Wikipedia to create a new article for a portfolio held by a minister. I've included the content back to this article. Also I've changed the language so that it doesn't hurt Lalu's supporters. If you don't agree with me or User:RHaworth, please see Wikipedia:Resolving disputes. I am a friendly editor and would like to solve all disputes in a friendly manner. utcursch | talk 10:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: To Holywarrior - when you leave a comment on any talk page, please provide wikilinks to enable the user to look at what you are talking about without having to take a circuitous route. Your comment seem to be many vandals above is disingenuous. A comment on your user page I make people to edit my way is also rather indicative. Please make yourself to edit in the way of the consensus. I repeat - we need one article only about this Lalu guy. But I will leave it to you and utcursh to fight it out. -- RHaworth 12:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Hello again, Holywarrior! Before you accuse me of being anti-Lalu, have a look at these links: , , ,  -- it was me who removed all the POV from this article before you were here. Most of the Pro-Lalu stuff was also added by me (yeah, I added the entire "Lalu's praise" section). Like, I said, you are being too judgmental. I am just here to create a complete article with both the view points. Not a single edit of mine says that Lalu is good or that Lalu is bad -- I've just added the facts. As about the Lalu-Laloo thing (OK, I accept it's not a controversy), the article was earlier located at Laloo Prasad Yadav, and when I read in newspaper that Lalooji has insisted that his name is "Lalu", I moved the article to Lalu Prasad Yadav (Please see ). He has been called "Laloo" in earlier publications (before 2004), so now people should know why he was called Laloo before 2004. Now, may I ask you why you removed this citation? Are you doing it just because you have made up your mind that "Utcursch is bad and out to destroy this article"? My friend, inspite of my truce offer, you seem to be in fighting mode? Why? I hope my above clarifications will help you to change your mindset. Be a friend, and let us edit the article together, peacefully. utcursch | talk 04:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: No personal attacks please. Also see Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. utcursch | talk 04:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandals on the page 

message: Following section,though is present in source is not reflected in the article.Please get the problem fixed.
Holy -- + -- Warrior 12:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. utcursch | talk 06:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.Holy | Warrior 10:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A strange problem 

message: Article misses out one important section,his tenure as Chief Minister of Bihar.Contributions are invited for this section.Holy | Warrior 12:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lalu as Chief Minister of Bihar 

message: I am surprised to see Lalu (having led his party since 1997) holding the record. There're many more people who would qualify, IMO. One example is M. Karunanidhi who's the president of the DMK since 1969! -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Report it to Limca Books.Holy|Warrior 12:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Holywarrior, I've added a reference to his biography on the official party website. I don't know how to report to Limca book of records. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 13:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that many people don't differentiate between party president and party supremo.In many cases whereas one may not be party president,he may have been referred to as such because of his political weight.Might be the case with DMK supremo.Anyway I am adding according to Limca Books similar quote should be in other articles too.Holy|Warrior 13:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longest serving political party president 

message: The citecheck template is for articles that misuse citations, such as listing quotes out of context.  Per this talk page I am replacing that template with a "citations needed" template. Durova 02:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are wrong here infact this article was the textbook case of how citations are misused to push one's POV.Although much of them has been improved ; it still needs clean up.I am changing it again.HW 13:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I've seen no response to this query for two days.  It appears that the dispute concerns overall article citation and POV rather than the technical aspects of existing footnotes.  Have changed the template to "citations missing." Durova 19:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Infact I agree with you now tag is no more relevant.only few citations are missing so I am removing that tag too. HW  09:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citecheck template changed 

message: While I respect the fact that Holywarrior clearly has a great deal of admiration for a significant political figure like Laluji (to some extent, I admire him too), don't you think that his recent edits are a bit hagiographic? For instance, some of his actions "as railway minister" don't pertain to the railway at all (in the edit as of now). Plus, Laluji is such a significant political figure who has done so many things (good and questionable) that chronicling all of his activities will make the article needlessly large. Won't it be better to selectively edit the article to make it representative of Laluji's career? What do you think?Hkelkar 20:08, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no violation of civility as I did not accuse you of anything, nor did I make any personal attacks regarding you. I assumed good faith in the sense that I assumed your motives were in expanding some parts of the article properly. I still continue to assume good faith on your part. I contend that the article is biased so shall restore the NPOV tag. I particularly see that these accusations of institutional bias against him are weakly substantiated by the cited refs and the edits are full of WP:OR violations. Plus, the railway minister is a hagiograph. Are we to chronicle every single thing that Laluji has ever done? The right thing to do is to present a balanced representation of his actions, and the present section is unbalanced. Also, some of the claims are exaggerated as of now.Hkelkar 16:15, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't agree with you and would recommend a tutorial for you to properly understand Wp policies. HW  16:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Please reconsider discussing the matter rationally. I believe that, if you choose to dismiss the discussion process then the next step is mediation cabal or rfc.Hkelkar 16:26, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Proceed  HW  16:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Plz see WP:TROLL and refrain from earlier activities. HW  16:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hkelkar has done nothing wrong, the edit tool you cited does not work anyway, as my major edits to 
Kantaji Temple were unseen. Also don't Wikilawyer.Bakaman Bakatalk 02:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Laluji and Holywarrior

message: Should be left there as there is a dispute and not consensus. If it is one against 10, then delete tag, but not now. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 22:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You should have commented on trolling part too.Besides highly incivil actions of user:Hkelkar. HW  08:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See the primary contributors on this article.This guy hkelkar has not got a single edit against him.He is out here following me and to undo all the good work of so many editors.Regarding bias plz see Media bias article itself it can be either real or percieved.For that matter bias is mostly percieved but you must show proofs of perception which article does have. HW  09:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The tool is beta, Hkelkar dont worry. On an article Jagrup Brar I created, the article said there were 0 edits by registered users, when I clearly made 6 major edits to the page.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Also on Kantaji Temple I somehow have no edits . That tool is bogus.Bakaman Bakatalk 02:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV tag 

message: Full credits for Lalu Yadav's outstanding performance as Railway Minister of India. Under his tenure Railways have turned to be among most profitable organization in India. Several ambititious railway proejcts are under like Dedicated Freight corridor, optimal utilization of railway land for Hotets, restaurants etc. Through Indian Railways is moving towards usage for more LHB coaches for its passenger trains but lot more needs to be done here (I think Rail Coach Factory and Integral Coach Factory should have a relook at the design for current railway coaches, it very primitive and can be improved a lot with usage of creative/inovative thinking and make it lot more comfortable). Vjdchauhan 13:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lalu Yadav as Railway Minister

message: Substituted at 20:40, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment