Talk:Intercity Express Programme

message: Now that the preferred bidder for the IEP has been announced as Agility / Hitachi, can we upload an image of the train? There is a computer generated image of the train in the press pack that accompanied today's announcement, but as a novice Wikipedian I'm not sure whether this would be acceptable for upload (public domain, press release image etc?). The image is located here . Suggestions? Jamesbrownontheroad (talk) 11:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's Crown Copyright, and a goggle search found  as the first hit. Unfortuntely it's not 'free use' as this only allows reproduction for research and private study. We could use it under 'fair use' if it would 'significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic' - Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria (#8) which I don't think it does Edgepedia (talk) 13:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the clear and concise explanation. Guess I'll wait until they've been built and I'll don my trainspotter cap & camera :) Jamesbrownontheroad (talk) 14:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of Super Express train 

message: The "self powered" version is apparently going to be a hybrid . Does this mean diesel/battery? Biscuittin (talk) 19:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a pretty safe assumption. Hitachi was involved in trials of a hybrid Class 43 which utilised a lithium ion battery to store energy regenerated under braking. Adambro (talk) 19:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Thanks for that. I have added it as a ref to the British Rail Class 43 (HST) article and linked it from here. Biscuittin (talk) 13:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see discussion about classification of Hybrid locomotives at Talk:Electro-diesel locomotive. Biscuittin (talk) 11:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See also: Talk:Hybrid locomotive. Biscuittin (talk) 19:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hybrid 

message: ===Removal===
In January 2009, in a statement to Parliament, Secretary of State for Transport Geoff Hoon outlined the advantages of electrification and said that "the case for electrification appears strongest on the most heavily used parts of the Great Western mainline from Paddington, and the Midland mainline north of Bedford". He said the government would be considering proposals for electrification from Network Rail and that he will make a further statement later in the year.
I'm not sure what this really has to do with the article, except as a follow on from criticism of the project as being less good than electrifying (eg objections to the diesel version)
Even so it doesn't seem relevent as such
===Criticism section sub-headings===
The titles Electrification as better value for money and Protectionist objections were added by me, but I think they are not the best descriptions.. However I can't think exactly what the better title would be. Please alter accordingly.FengRail (talk) 20:22, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added back the comments from Geoff Hoon because I think it provides a good balance by giving the DfT's opinion of electrification as a response to Network Rail's suggestions. It says that the DfT aren't opposed to electrification in principle and are considering the possibility of electrifying parts of the network that Network Rail have said would be beneficial. I think this gives the reader a broader view of the issue. Adambro (talk) 21:58, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Two points

message: The titles Electrification as better value for money and Protectionist objections were added by me, but I think they are not the best descriptions.. However I can't think exactly what the better title would be. Please alter accordingly.FengRail (talk) 20:22, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added back the comments from Geoff Hoon because I think it provides a good balance by giving the DfT's opinion of electrification as a response to Network Rail's suggestions. It says that the DfT aren't opposed to electrification in principle and are considering the possibility of electrifying parts of the network that Network Rail have said would be beneficial. I think this gives the reader a broader view of the issue. Adambro (talk) 21:58, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism section sub-headings

message: I was pondering the idea of splitting off the Hitachi Super Express section into an article of its own.
I would like to know if that would be suitable. I have tagged the section.
-calvinps- (talk) 19:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do! :D -calvinps- (talk) 20:04, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting and (possible) expansion of Super Express 

message: There hasn't been anything substantial added to this article for some time. Has the Department for Transport forgotten about the project? Biscuittin (talk) 20:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite. These things have a habit of taking quite a while. Adambro (talk) 20:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I've added this ref to the article. Biscuittin (talk) 23:18, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any news? 

message: removed this: diff
The idea of a bi-mode development of the InterCity 125 train was considered by British Rail as early as 1984. The book Intercity 125 contains a line-drawing of a "potential inter-city electro-diesel". It shows a pantograph  added to the power car and one of the power bogies transferred to the adjacent car, as on the Blue Pullman.Tufnell, R.M., Intercity 125 Super Profile, page 49, Haynes Publishing Group, 1984, ISBN 0854294287
Not comfortable with this as an "encyclopedic addition" - comparison with Blue Pullman doesn't seem that helpful to many. And it's not clear (without access to the book) - which doesn't appear to be an official BR publication that what it says is reliable. Sf5xeplus (talk) 02:55, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: 1984 bi mode hst

message: For the record, I think I got the formation information from a copy of RAIL magazine, but can't remember which issue. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:18, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference for formation/capacity 

message: See this version: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intercity_Express_Programme&oldid=499828391
*with costings for higher maximum speeds up to .   ::can't find
*The original call for tenders (2007) assumed pre-series introduction on the East Coast Main Line in 2012 with series production from 2014 to 2020, and a quantity of between 500 and 2000 vehicles.
::can't find the 2020 date or 2000 vehicle figure
Not in the linked documents - are there a sources for these?
Also Bids would be accepted from organisations or consortia able to design, produce, finance and maintain the trains for 30 years the source for this has been lost- I think it comes from the Invitation to Tender documents on DfT - but not the TTS one. Can anyone find the archive of this?.Oranjblud (talk) 01:12, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Lacking sourcs - possibly incorrect?

message: Agility Trains - propose merge - nothing new in this subpage: single purpose consortium formed for IEP.77.86.43.169 (talk) 12:33, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge Agility Trains

message: *http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/single-view/view/mtu-to-supply-diesel-powerpacks-for-intercity-express-programme.html
*http://www.hitachi.eu/about/press/pdfs/20120919%20HRE%20MTU%20supplier.pdf
*http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/rolling-stock/hitachi-selects-mtu-for-iep-engine-contract.html?channel=529#.UFpGwLLDcso
*http://www.tognum.com/press/press-releases/presse-detail/news/tognum_is_preferred_supplier_for_hitachi_super_express_train/cHash/188f746cafa8d8a80a314659e520d898/
MTU 12V 83.100.211.252 (talk) 22:28, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: IEP engines

message: http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/rolling-stock/britain-orders-more-hitachi-trains-for-east-coast.html - the report states the total cost is now £5.8 billion
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/intercity-express-programme the Jul 2013 written statement  should be linked if it isn't already
http://www.railtex.co.uk/_downloads/presentations/Railtex_hitachi.pdf the Railtex powerpoint contains some new technical information, and information on the depots.
http://www.dlapiper.com/files/Publication/5076c1e5-ddc8-42f4-9a6f-004a77baf321/Presentation/PublicationAttachment/519903eb-1cd3-4b10-90c6-46664110cff5/intercity-express-programme.pdf dla piper report give more info on the financing.83.100.174.82 (talk) 13:08, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent info

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message: With the ECML contract 'signed' the Doncaster depot is likely to be built - relavent documents are: 
Doncaster Council planning applications
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... added as Doncaster IEP depot. Prof.Haddock (talk) 01:41, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Doncaster depot

message: the financial figures don't quite add up. It starts with a quoted 4.5 billion cost. First phase is then stated to cost  2.4 billion, then a 1.2 billion option is said to have been taken up (total cost now 5.7 billion ?)  the second phase final cost is stated at 2.7 billion..
That makes 5.1 billion (2.4 + 2.7) which is neither 4.5 nor 5.7 ?..  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.174.82 (talk) 22:54, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: figures! cost

message: Mockups (not final) released. http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/rolling-stock/hitachi-reveals-set-interiors.html?device=auto
Bottle green glass in the windows! Prof.Haddock (talk) 12:48, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Interiors

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