Talk:Grand Prix motorcycle racing

message: Now that the can of worms is open, let's use this section to vote on: 1) Keeping the name Grand Prix motorcycle racing, or 2) Changing to MotoGP. Let's also give the voting a decent amount of time, and not do anything until a few weeks have passed.
Grand Prix motorcycle racing
*I feel it should be Grand Prix motorcycle racing; it's more generic since these articles cover GP racing from 1949 and not just the MotoGP era. ♫ ψadems ♫ (talk) 15:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your rationale for this and would be fine with this article title as well. Roguegeek (talk) 21:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: How should the GP classes be written? according to WP:MOS, values and unit symbols are spaced but these are not just that, they are also names of the classes, the subject did come up in the past but I dont think consensus was ever reached Chris Ssk talk 22:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It really doesn't matter to me. I only changed it due to WP:MOS, but I definitely see your side of it. You're claiming "250cc" to be a proper noun. I think if that's the case, it should be "250cc". Roguegeek (talk) 23:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I stand by my original comments: no space.  Plus, using the trusty Google method, "500cc" gets 2.84m hits and "500 cc" gets 1.12m hits.  Not to mention when you search for "500 cc", the search actually asks you: "Did you mean: 500cc."  ♫ ψadems ♫ (talk) 23:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote no space.--Rubber Nipple Salesman (talk) 15:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm good with no spaces as well, but I want to clear up something for Wadems. Google method is good to identify popularity of a term. I'm saying it's good to make this change here because "250cc" is a proper noun as per the MotoGP organization. If it wasn't, there would be no doubt about what to do here as the policy and style guides state it should be shown as "250 cc". Roguegeek (talk) 18:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was being facetious about Google.  Not that I care what the MOS says either.  It looks better with no space, regardless.  Even if I was referring to volume, I'd still say 50cc because I'm a rebel, man! ;-p ♫ ψadems ♫ (talk) 18:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  No space please! Ged UK (talk) 19:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  No space is how it is defined by the governing body, as they are not just engine capacities but also the titles of the racing class. According to the MoS there should be a space, but these are in fact proper nouns as used by MotoGP, as Roguegeek said above. As such, no space is what should be used here. Cpl Syx (talk) 13:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  125cc, 250cc or 125&nbsp;cc, 250&nbsp;cc 

message: I added a selected chronology of milestones in the sport, but I hope that rider achievements are kept out of it, because those are so well covered already in individual rider pages, and they don't represent changes in the sport itself. --Rubber Nipple Salesman (talk) 22:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps if it was called 'Technological Chronology' that would help? Ged UK (talk) 07:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes maybe, but I think it'd be useful to include regulation changes and events like deaths also. --Rubber Nipple Salesman (talk) 18:06, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but what would be very good is if anyone can add some references to the items listed as well. Then if it starts looking too big for this page we will be able to move it to a page by itself without it being deleted.Mighty Antar (talk) 19:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. I hope the list gets expanded by other contributors. I just wanted to get it rolling but not have it swamped by Agostini's/Doohan's/Rossi's/etc. records. --Rubber Nipple Salesman (talk) 20:27, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I think the wording of the future tag is pretty clear in it's aim; it's about warning people that the article may change rapidly as an event progresses. There's no rapid changes, Michelin have dropped out, and they aren't suddenly going to come back in again. I've absolutely no problem with future events so long as they're sourced. --Ged UK (talk) 21:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How about Kawasaki dropping out?--Amedeo Felix (talk) 13:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, i think so; they're a major manufacturer after all. --Ged UK (talk) 13:41, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Oh another thing...  It's also rather lame that "chronology" starts in 1973!  Motorcycle Grand Prix dates more or less as far back as Automobile Grand Prix - i.e. near enough the turn of the 19th to the 20th Century, and there are note worthy items aplenty prior to 1973.  How about when MV Agusta started racing or noting their first and last race and championship wins?  How about the first 2 stroke bike racing?  How about the first Japanese entrant company?  How about the last Isle of Man TT to be part of the World Championship?  Streamlined bikes?  Running starts?  I will try to dig up years for things, but if anyone else already happens to know... --Amedeo Felix (talk) 23:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The best would be to find good and complete sources, and write a separate "History of the world championship" article or something similar! Asendoh (talk) 23:45, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ONLY if the "Chronology" section were then to be deleted.  If that section were to stay then I still say it should cover the entire history and not start at some random pooint.--Amedeo Felix (talk) 09:33, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's easily done though, just needs a link-through to a History of Motorcycle Racing or whatever it's called. I think it's a great idea. I would volunteer to do it, but i have no books or references to start from, and a long to-do list as it is! --Ged UK (talk) 10:41, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite so.  I may do it at some point if need be, but mainly I wated to raise the point in case someone reading this already has the necessary information to hand.--Amedeo Felix (talk) 11:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Hey, well, this is the encyclopedia anyone can edit, you could have a go! --GedUK  17:20, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronology 

message: User Abdul Qayyum Ahmad has recently added a list of MotoGP sponsors. Is this a section we really want? I think not, as it's just a list of companies and it's not a really information about the World Championship and its history. Asendoh (talk) 12:25, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I don't think that is needed, its just a list of sponsors that doesn't seem to serve any purpose other than publicity of the sponsors involved. Chris Ssk talk 15:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I did wonder about this when i saw it appear. I can see the logic in having it there, but apart from the logistical difficulty of keeping it up to date, I'm not sure it adds anything. --GedUK  19:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I took it out. Asendoh (talk) 11:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sponsors

message: The content in this section is very speculative and unlikely to ever be sourced adequately. Would removing it altogether harm the article much? I think it's worse to have weak information than none.--Rubber Nipple Salesman (talk) 01:10, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is littered with fact tags and does feel rather like a personal essay. I don't think any of it is particularly wrong, but like you said, it may well be difficult to source. I'd have no issue with it coming out. GedUK  09:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Challenges for the designer section

message: Removed statement saying MotoGP had better power-to-weight ratio than F1. MotoGP bikes are about 330 lbs (excluding rider). Hp is about 220. With a 140 lb rider, hp/weight ratio is 330+140/220, or 2.1 lb per hp. By contrast an F1 car weighs 1,334 lb (including driver and fluids). Hp is about 800. Thus F1 hp/weight ratio is 1334/800 or 1.66 lb per hp. Joema (talk) 14:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we add a row to the spec table with p:w ratio? Also, I think a row for torque should be added, although the page is locked so I can't add it myself.
I believe the GP 500cc 2 strokes of the 1980s and 1990s had a power to weight ratio better than an F1 car. The new heavier 4 stroke MotoGP bikes are much slower and heavier than their 2 stroke predecessors.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.232.139.218 (talk) 13:17, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Power:weight ratio

message: Almost all of the articles relating to motorcycle Grand Prix racing of the period, such as rider profiles and race reports, list the current points system of 25-20-16-13-11 (etc.) for 1992, and give that year as the date it began.  The actual system in 1992 was 20-15-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1, and the current system began in 1993.  There are a lot of articles that need tidying/fixing because of this, but I have started with the main points system article.  Volunteers welcome? 91.107.65.171 (talk) 16:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's a fairly simple job with AWB. Unfortunately, as I've now dumped windows, I don't have AWB anymore. If no-one else is up for it, i'll try and get it done over the christmas break. GedUK  17:46, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Points scoring system in 1992 

message: At this moment, with various races passed, is strange that the manufacturers, riders and teams who are present in 2010 weren't actualized in the right table on main page - in fact, 250 seems alive as wasn't changed!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.91.67.17 (talk) 09:39, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manufacturers, riders & teams 2010 

message: MotoGP is a shadow of itself﻿ without the 500cc 2 strokes. Those took "real" men to ride. Lawson, Rainey, Shenne, Doohan, Schwantz, Mamola, Haslam et. al. !  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.192.107.142 (talk) 16:54, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: Kalex was missing from the list of Moto2 constructors. How is that? The Kalex bike won the Moto2 world championship in 2011.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.22.152.176 (talk) 06:12, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kalex? 

message: Should there be a section on "factory" vs. "satellite" teams? (Mainly the difference between them) The-Bus (talk) 12:50, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factory vs Satellite Teams 

message: This name is quite odd. The article tells about world championship arranged by FIM. So, that should mean it is the only motorcycle racing series which have its races called "grand prix". Is that true? If not, better title would be for example FIM motorcycle world championship. 212.50.203.198 (talk) 18:01, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grand Prix motorcycle racing? 

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message: The reference is to race speeds, which does not state the claimed top speed during warm-up. 
Id change it myself but Im rather new to editing, I hope the active maintainers of this page will update the source.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A212:80:5E80:59DD:9D1E:F460:BF90 (talk) 18:02, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest recorded speed (Dovizioso in Qatar 2016) quotes wrong resource 

message: "Event Format" section is outdated and needs to be changed to reflect Moto3, Moto2, and Premier Class. Checking for objections, or bringing it to the attention of a more knowledgable writer than I 
2601:601:CB7F:B800:1589:3491:E840:EE85 (talk) 07:50, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Event Format 

message: Certainly riding is the main objective/focus of this article. However, it seems remiss that there is no mention of the apparent controversy surrounding the grid boys and girls and more importantly female riders entering the sport. From this writer's perspective the umbrella wielding girls have always appeared to be respectable and, given the overall environment, tastefully/appropriately dressed. Everything aboveboard. Prohibition of them seems prudish and reactionary. Is the "controversy" due to general discrimination against women in certain countries where races are conducted? Providing longer shafts on the umbrellas, so that they rest on the track, seems sensible. If it's sexism that is the issue then the overarching question is certainly why are more girls not introduced to motorcycle riding at a young age? 'It is important to show we can compete in a man's world'  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keithf (talk • contribs) 23:25, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grid Boys and Girls 

message: In 2001 Rossi won in 500 cc List of 500cc/MotoGP rider records Wispyrainunder (talk) 10:30, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you see why it is called "500cc/MotoGP"? It's because they're the same championship. The regulations just changed, so as the name, but it is still the premier class of motorcycle racing. Rossi's 500cc and MotoGP titles are considered as done in the same class. Engr. Smitty Werben 11:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean, 7 in premier class + 1 in 250 + 1 in 125. Not as it was written before "and one in 500cc" that is included in those 7 titles. Wispyrainunder (talk) 12:36, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Champions 

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thread_title:  New WikiProject Proposal Alert  

message: Perhaps an explanation might be added of why the machines used in these races are not street legal.Bill (talk) 22:05, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: A bit late in the day, but GP machines are race-only dedicated designs, have huge specific power outputs, require much maintenance and would wear out quickly. World Superbikes, World Supersport and similar national series are based on road machines, for one thing being silhouette class, meaning the race bikes have to comply to the dimensions and appearance of the base machine. Not road-legal, but much nearer.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:39, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Legality of machines

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