Talk:Anthony Quinn

message: Kind of surprised there's no mention of the film "Barabbas(1962)" Millions of people got Quinn's image burned into the memory as the face of the man who was spared cruxifiction by the Jerusalem mob who chose to spare him versus Jesus, according to the Bible. I'd think that the film is notable, irrespective of the movie's box office performance, or reviews of Quinn's performance. It is widely screened on TV every year during the Easter season, and that must make it one of his most watched films, not only in the United States, but in all predominently Christian countries. Scupper 13:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Acting: no mention of "Barabbas (1962)"

message: I often consult Wikipedia on show business matters. Nearly always, the entries all well-written, and I would guess that that is the case because they are written by professional publicists. This entry is a curious exception; while I cannot dispute the facts, the prose was in need of a lot of polish, which I proceeded to supply. I revere Quinn as a Hollywood giant and as a manly man, but have not seen all that many of his films (e.g., I have never seen Viva Zapata). My favorite Quinn role is the title role in The Magus. I did not know that Quinn was a rogue in the bedroom until I read this entry. I suppose the idea of bearing Anthony Quinn's child must have thrilled more than one pretty woman.202.36.179.65 21:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why I rewrote much of this entry

message: In an earlier appearance on The Tonight Show hosted by Johnny Carson, Quinn remarked that people were coming up to him and saying, "ZORBA", carrying on in Greek in a vain attempt at conversation.  I think he was being modest because he said, "I don't speak a word of Greek.  I'm Mexican."  I recently saw him in a Fellini film, speaking what sounded, (to me), like perfect Italian.  Granted, competency in Spanish, English and Italian do not a Greek speaker make.--W8IMP 03:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tonight show

message: Due to his high-profile Greek-character roles, not just Zorba but also Aristotle Onassis and Guns of Navarone, I am certain I have seen printed articles and definitely online articles, erroneously referring to Anthony Quinn as being, himself, Greek. Of course when I want to add the information, I can't find it. So I'm mentioning it here in case anyone can provide sourcing so it can be added to the article that despite being Mexican, Quinn is often mistaken for Greek because of these roles. He's in good company: Israeli-born Chaim Topol is often thought of as a Russian actor because of Fiddler on the Roof. 68.146.81.123 (talk) 18:37, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Greek confusion

message: I am puzzled why this article about a Hollywood movie actor would interest WikiProject Christianity / Charismatic. Late in life he joined an evangelical Christian church, but so what? HairyWombat 01:47, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Christianity / Charismatic ? 

message: I have moved the awards into a single sub-section; for some reason they were separated. The two tables still need to be combined. I don't know why they were ever separate, so hesitate to do this myself. Perhaps somebody who knows better the history of this page should do this. HairyWombat 14:14, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards 

message: Quinn is famous as an actor. I think this article was started long before the MOS for these types of article was created. Nowadays they discusses the career rather than just make a narrative, with the acting fitted in along the way.
This article should start with his career, then add a personal life to fill in the rest.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.184.123.245 (talk) 11:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't find a MOS that  suggested a structure for this article. I did find Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) which seems relevant, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography#Structure which is unhelpful as it doesn't actually mention Structure at all. (Whatever happened to Truth in Advertising?) I would encourage you to go ahead with this rewrite, but don't expect any help. This article has not been "adopted" by anyone, so you will be on your own. Best of luck. HairyWombat 14:10, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manner of article - major rewrtie 

message: The location of death in the info box on top right does not match what's described under title Death in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.60.28.223 (talk) 20:27, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it. --V111P (talk) 22:03, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of Death 

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message: The article has at least two conflicting versions of his birth name -- one in the body of the text (Antonio Reyes), another in the Box (Antonio Rodolfo Quinn Oaxaca).  Can someone with access to good sources sort out this confusion?  Nandt1 (talk) 16:17, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I tracked the insertion of the supposed birth name Antonio Reyes to an anonymous editor with no record on WP.  It is inconsistent with other entries in the same article, and the cited sources that I also looked up, and also unconnected to his parents' names, so I felt these were good reasons to revert.  Nandt1 (talk) 20:52, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth name needs clarification 

message: Having disposed of Sr. Reyes (above), I see that we still have an issue over his first name at birth.  Our article says Antonio, but a couple of sources say Anthony.  Would someone like to look further into this aspect? Nandt1 (talk) 21:01, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: So, I found obituaries from the New York Times and from the British papers The Guardian and The Independent, all three of which I would consider serious sources as newspapers go.  All give the birth name as Anthony Rudolph [Quinn Oaxaca] rather than Antonio Rodolfo as in our article (his father being half Irish and half Mexican -- and himself apparently going by either Francisco or Frank -- either of the spellings could be plausible a priori).  Anyone else have anything to offer on this?  Nandt1 (talk) 14:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth name: Antonio Rodolfo or Anthony Rudolph?

message: I don't see any reference that shows Anthony Quinn obtained U.S. citizenship. If not, he should technically be referred to as a Mexican actor, not a Mexican American.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.214.4 (talk) 05:35, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was he really Mexican American? 

message: His autobiography mentions an additional unnamed French son.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.136.164.83 (talk) 16:19, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children 

message: When I was an architecture student, a batch of us went to Taliesin. On our tour, one of the tales we were told was that Quinn was born tongue-tied. Wright was supposedly the one who urged Quinn to get a surgical repair of the condition. It would improve client presentations for him if he stayed in architecture and it paved the way for his acting career. Is there any truth to this tale? Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 00:15, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  More FLW influence? 

message: There is a small but significant section on Quinn's alleged interest in the Mafia. The longer first paragraph has no citation, the second short paragraph has one citation that doesn't exist and a second from an interview of others, conducted by a game show host, given after Quinn's death. This requires readers to find the interview and go through it, looking for such a dubious claim. The section says Quinn had a "personal relationship" with organized crime figures. It is all vague and unproven. Perhaps Quinn merely wanted to play an Italian character and was doing research. It would be like saying Quinn was the Pope because he played one in a movie (which he did, of course). The Mafia section should be completely erased for lack of evidence.Purplethree (talk) 16:18, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Disagree with such a drastic solution. But I'd be interested in hearing what others have to say. Quis separabit? 02:48, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Mafia section should go

message: Quinn actually died of pneumonia and throat cancer. (217.42.104.101 (talk) 16:02, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cancer 

message: Substituted at 07:59, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: All his notable activities were in the US, he's done nothing notable in Mexico and article states he wasn't even accepted in Mexico due to his name. MOS:CONTEXTBIO says "neither previous nationalities nor the country of birth should be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability" so Mexico shouldn't be in the intro sentence or lead as not relevant to his notability. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:41, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say his Mexican background is quite relevant. See last sentence of second paragraph: . Also, it seems his Mexican nationality has always been mentioned in the lede until quite recently. Unless there is consensus to the contrary, we should re-add it. Vpab15 (talk) 07:58, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The phrase you quoted is in the lead already and is sufficient lead mention of the impact his ancestry had on his notability. Latin-American is a cultural attribute and that description covers much more than just being from Mexico. MOS:CONTEXTBIO gives the justification for Mexico/Mexican not being in the lead as specifically being from Mexico was not a contribution to his notability. He left Mexico as a child, it has no more relevance for him than any other person with Mexican ancestry. Having it in the lead, and more specifically in the intro sentence, in  the past went against the MOS guidance. Generally we need a local consensus decision to deliberately go against the MOS, not one to conform to it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion is whether his Mexican background is relevant per MOS or not. In case of no consensus, we should go back to the status quo and re-add it. Vpab15 (talk) 18:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It is an accident of birth, no more. Pretty major stretch to say it is relevant to his notability and there is nothing in the article that supports relevance so MOS says leave it out. Latin-American is mentioned in the lead and covers what is important. Article said Mexican-American for most of the article history. For some periods article said Mexican and American, and Mexican born American. Article has said American actor since I changed it in April from Mexican-American. Mexican-American is an ethnicity tag, not an nationality. Mexican born could be justified only if relevant to notability. Mexican and American actor is incorrect as he never was a notable Mexican actor - that construction is only used for people with notable activities in both countries. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead now mentions he is Mexican-American. I don't mind changing it to any of the alternative formulas (eg. Mexican born), as long as his Mexican background is mentioned. Vpab15 (talk) 09:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly disagree with Mexican-American in the intro sentence as that is purely an ethnicity tag like African-American, Jewish-American and others. I reverted your changes to the status-quo of the article before your changes and expected to follow WP:BRD process. You have not made a case to go against the manual of style by showing in any way why his Mexican ancestry has any bearing on his notability. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

text: WP:CONTEXTBIO specifically states ) Schazjmd (talk) 15:36, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That is just an example for Isaac Asimov. It doesn't mean the same applies to every single person. Vpab15 (talk) 15:41, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Asimov was used as the example for the general rule that was being applied. The statement does not apply to only Asimov, but to all people with similar backgrounds such as Quinn. Quinn's physical appearance seems relevant to his notability, though, and that is related to his Mexican/Irish/Cherokee ancestry. Put something in the second sentence as an attempt at compromise. Cherokee is sourced but not mentioned in article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:46, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

text: @Vpab15, each example is chosen to illustrate a specific case; Asimov was used to illustrate . Doesn't that apply to Quinn? Schazjmd (talk) 15:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: , which doesn't necessarily apply to this article. Vpab15 (talk) 15:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand. Are there sources supporting that Quinn did not identify himself as an American? Schazjmd (talk) 16:23, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there are (): . Vpab15 (talk) 16:40, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think his feelings about not being accepted in either community negate the MOS guidance for the first sentence. Schazjmd (talk) 22:19, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality in lead