Talk:Moshe Katsav

message: The article states that he joined Likud at the age of 24, which would be in 1969.  This is impossible as Likud did not come into being until 1973.
Presumably he was a member of one of the predecessor parties, and it would be good to know which.
77.126.240.197 (talk) 14:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Likud 

message: No it should not be "Farsi" which is the incorrect term for Persian. It is only called farsi by native speakers, end of story. 
How could have Moshe Katsav both spoke to president Khatami and Bashar Asad in Farsi??
please make a correction; it states Katsav is fluent in "persian", but it should be "Farsi"
:Persian and Farsi are two words for the same language. Avengerx 11:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But Bashar Asad doesn't speak Farsi, so I'll fix that. AucamanTalk 03:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Very good point. The caption of the photo seems accurate. For one thing, Bashar Assad is really tall and skinny and the person in the photo doesn't seem tall at all. But the person standing next to Katsav is definitely Khatami, so they were indeed sitting next to eachother. As for the stuff in the article, we can't really interpret the sources, but I'll re-read the article and see what I can do. AucamanTalk 13:10, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The meeting in the funeral -- or at least the seating arrangement -- did happen, as this BBC News article  confirms it. I'm sure you can find more mentions of it with a quick Google search. The article has a picture of Katsav, Assad, and Khatami, at the funeral. The man in the righthand side of Image:Khatami_Katsav.jpg is, in fact, Khatami. Compare it to Image:Iran.PresidentKhatami.jpg. I'm not sure of the identity of the man pictured with his back to the camera, though. There are no reasons to assume it is Assad, in my opinion, despite the fact that the picture in the BBC News article shows him quite near Katsav and Khatami. His facial features don't match those of Bashar Assad, I reckon. --Jill St. Crux 13:23, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't this pretty much what I said? AucamanTalk 13:33, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Err, exactly my point. The alphabetical order makes it impossible for Assad to of been next to him. ems 13:44, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funeral 

message: I'm not exactly a fan of the guy, but a disproportionately large section of this article is devoted to the recent rape case, and almost nothing to Katsav's biography. Especially if you look a the Hebrew article, where the biography spans some four sub-sections, his family another one, and the rape case is only two paragraphs as a sub of his term as president. 
While the rape case is one of the primary interests a WP reader might have in Katsav, the lack of background information constitutes POV, I think. I will make an effort to compare the Hebrew and English bio sections, see what's missing, and translate as much as I can source. Not that long an article even in Hebrew, so it's doable. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 11:31, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disproportionate 

message: I've removed twice categories suce as rapists, sexual offenders and criminals. The Katsav case hasn't even been brought to trial, let alone a verdict. Tsar User 09:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading categories 

message: The Farsi name is incorrect. My Farsi is not good enough to fix it, but the family name in Farsi was Qasaab, meaning "butcher." It is a common last name. 75.16.11.61 12:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could someone find out what his name is in Farsi and re-add it? 203.109.240.93 13:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Qasaab" in Farsi text could be spelled قساب or قصاب 68.163.230.81 07:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Farsi 

message: I don't understand why the material about Dorit Beinisch is in the section about the sexual assault charges.  Is she one of the alleged victims?  That isn't stated in the article right now.  -- Creidieki 21:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As president, Katsav was meant to be present at her swearing in as the head of the supreme court, but he declared himself temporarily incapacitated for the day. There was quite a scandal in the media. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 12:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the material about Dorit Beinisch? 

message: In this edit, Patchouli added a sub-heading to the article to cover Katsav's press conference after the decision to indict, and the accusations he leveled therein. The phrasing of the sub-heading supports his allegations, and is therefore POV. Any suggestions for more neutral language? Does "Indictment press conference" cover the contents of the sub-section well enough? LeaHazel : talk : contribs 13:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just added "Claims of", which is factual, verifiable information. I thought about the heading "2006 sexual harassment and rape case", too, but decided the word "case" makes it factual (i.e., there's an actively worked case for this, not a legally confirmed event). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The section is still a bit problemmatic, for example "His refusal to explain the details and his desire for the due process has led to his conviction by the media". Says who? If this was a specific claim made by Katsav then it should be attributed to him. If not, then it needs to be seriously reworked and still needs a reference. For example, "commentators such as XYC have suggested his refusal to explain the details and his desire to simply await the outcome of the case has led to his conviction by the media". If no one has said this, then it should be removed IMHO. Also, unless "Taking the Fifth" is a resonably common phrase in Israel this should be removed as it is an Americanism of little relevance to this article in such a case 203.109.240.93 13:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I thought "Taking the Fifth" sounded out of place, too. I was just "passing through", so I didn't take the time to read the content of the section. 203.109.240.93 is correct that we need specific citations of reliable sources for any claims. Despite the irony, it should not be hard to get some press references for any complaints Katsav may have made about being "convicted by the media". After all, such statements are salacious enough to sell copy, eh? ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Taking the Fifth" has no sense in Israel, since there is no 5th ammendment of a non-existant constitution of Israel... the term frequently used is "right of silence" (in Police questioning).Nitsansh 15:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a transcript of the press conference? I think that a quote from that should clarify as well as source Katsav's response to the allegations, the indictment and media coverage thereof. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 22:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

text: You're referring to the sentence 203.109.240.93 quotes above, as well as the aside about "Taking the Fifth". Based on the discussion above, it's not just you. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Witchhunt and conviction by media?  

message: That trivia fact is untrue.
In Israel, the term "mayor" (Rosh Ir) is used only for cities (and Qiryat Mal'akhi was not a city at the time). The youngest mayor of an Israeli city was Katsav's younger brother, Lior Katsav, who was elected mayor of Qiryat Mal'akhi (a city by that time) at the age of 28.
Katsav was not even the youngest head of local council (town or region), since in 1956 Benny Shalita was elected as head of Menakhamia, a small town near the Kinneret lake, at the age of 22. Katsav was only the third youngest head of local council (Jalal Abu-Toama from Baqa-El-Gharbia local council was also a few months younger than Katsav when elected). 194.29.36.33 17:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youngest mayor ever? 

message: Katsav is being charged with a series of offenses, some of them sex-crimes, including rape. That does not resolve to "activities of a sexual nature." That makes it sound like he's being charged with screwing around behind his wife's back. The full nature of the allegations, the investigation and the impending indictment should be made clear (if it's to be mentioned in the lead paragraph at all). LeaHazel : talk : contribs 12:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's not make unfounded assumptions - WP:BLP.--20.138.246.89 14:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's nothing unfounded with the statement that he will be charged with rape. As the first source on the page state, "The attorney general said on Tuesday that he intended to indict him on a slew of charges including rape, sexual harassment and abuse of power.". When the Main Page of Wikipedia (editable only by admins) has the word "rape" next to "Moshe Katsav" and yet the word doesn't exist in the lede in this article, it is inconsistent, to say the least. WP should not be so cowardly as to avoid any negative accusation against a living person even if it has been slathered all over the international press. hateless 20:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

text: No, there's a statement of intent. Mazuz is the atturney general, he's the one who presses charges, so when he says he intends to charge Katsav with rape that's not exactly WP:CRYSTAL. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 21:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, a statement of intent is not a prediction. Ed, your point is that it's not a foregone conclusion, but frankly, that is high bar that doesn't need to be raised that high. WP does not restrict itself to the historical record only. And again, you're imposing standards that admins do not recognize and don't follow on the Main Page. The word "rape" should be in the lede, and the verbal gymnastics you're using in the lede is a disservice to the reader and looks like a work of censorship.hateless 22:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charged with rape  

message: Souns highly suspicious. If Putin had commended Katsav for rape, wouldn't there be sources for it other than in Russian? Someone who reads Russian needs to check if this is a hoax, vandalism or something else. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 10:46, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This Putin quote sounds quite irrelevant here. Are we going to have section for every guy who Putin has greeted? It is like some trivia section, but by BLP we should not have trivia. We all can make bad jokes sometimes... --Magabund 16:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The quote was widely reported so it is notable. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 18:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Putin Incident" has nothing to do with Moshe Katsav biography. At most, with Putin's own biography. Salut, --IANVS (talk) 15:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure. What do others think? - BorisG (talk) 16:43, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Putin quote  

message: Katsav was to resumes his Presidential duties in April. Did this occur or not? GoodDay 17:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Resumption of duties

message: As of now, that's 1 July 2007, Katzev's resignation is in effect and Itzik is now acting president, with the presidency vacent. shouldn't she be officially designated as his successor, especially since Burg is listed as Katzev's predecessor?
Ericl 20:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry to quible, but now is 30 June. ابو علي (Abu Ali) 10:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, let's wait until July 1. On that date, we'll have to alter the Presidential succession box (make Itzak, Katsav's immediate successor). GoodDay 14:39, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Resignation

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thread_title:  Translation 

message: It strikes me, having made some minor updates resulting from today’s news, that this article about someone I had never previously heard of (and remain rather uninterested in) has been subjected to some rather tendentious editing. —Ian Spackman (talk) 14:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV? 

message: The BBC describes the role of president of Israel as largely ceremonial. Is this article really of high importance? —Ian Spackman (talk) 14:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance

message: He was the president of Israel yet his nationality is Iranian? I know he was born there but later he migrated to Israel.-- And Rew 03:06, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality 

message: I really think this might have really happened, since it probably had several eyewitnesses. Is there any photographic material known of it? Just curious to know.85.242.236.148 (talk) 01:16, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Handshake with Khatami 

message: The article states "The former president could face a maximum sentence of 49 years, but this will be decided in a few months". Does this mean he's locked up as we speak while awaiting sentencing, or did he walk free from court on conviction and is now 'getting his affairs in order' or whatever before having to go to prison when he receives his sentence? This should be clarified in the article. Beorhtwulf (talk) 21:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  In prison now? 

message: The quality of English in this article is very poor.  There are so many errors that it may well be worthwhile considering a rewrite of the whole article using authors with a much better knowledge of the English language.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.186.25.147 (talk) 09:03, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor quality of English in this article  

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replies: text: Diannaa, are you sure that the article copies from thefreelibrary.com, and not the other way around? The article you link to was published 29 January 2007; Some of the text you removed was added 29 October 2006 and some even earlier. Rami R 12:21, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

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message: As currently written, it appears to read that his rape conviction took place prior to his presidency. Since this is clearly untrue, I suggest the sentence be rearranged.
I'd do it myself but I'm not yet comfortable editing Wikipedia on my own. 109.65.176.36 (talk) 11:20, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading initial sentence 

message: How much money did those women earn on memoires, interviews and so on? --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii 10:37, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accusations. 

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