Talk:Lauri Törni

message: small change, i changed Suuret suomalaiset to "great finns", not greatest.  Suuret is plural of great and doesn't mean greatest.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ir5ac (talk • contribs) 20:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
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message: There are a number of places in the world called Zagora.
None of them appears to be in Iran.
Could we please have a citation for that, or a correction with a citation?
Thanks, Varlaam (talk) 05:21, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Zagora mountains of Iran

message: IMO, adding the 3 allegiances in the infobox is problematic. He certainly supported Finland and he emigrated to the US. But did he have allegiance to Nazi Germany? Historian Jussi Niinistö seems to say no. I've seen other sources that talk about his qualms about taking oaths of allegiance to Hitler.  With these factors in mind, I think removing the infobox allegiance parameter is justified.  – S. Rich (talk) 17:05, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: He served in the German armed forces during World War II. Every fighting man with an article on here who served with Germany in the war is tagged in that manner. It doesn't mean Torni was a Nazi, only that he served in the military forces of Nazi Germany, which he in fact did. Jsc1973 (talk) 12:47, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: His fighting was more against the Russians and not for Nazi Germany. (Did he have allegiance to Germany as a country?) I will suggest posting allegiance to the Wehrmacht as the better description. In general soldiers fight for their units and for their fellow soldiers. – S. Rich (talk) 15:11, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: He can 90.240.179.227 (talk) 14:46, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

text: The fact that he served in Sonderkommandos Nord show that he was, indeed, a Nazi and fought for Nazi Germany Orocairion (talk) 12:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegiance in Infobox 

message: Wouldn't this be fun in the External links section: ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srich32977 (talk • contribs) 03:48, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  For fun 

message: Why no mention of weather he was involved in war crimes or not?
He was part of the SS.
71.173.16.168 (talk) 04:14, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no mention of it because he didn't commit any war crimes. Most soldiers, even ones who served in the Waffen-SS, don't, and we don't put "he was innocent of any war crimes" on the articles for every article about a soldier on here. He was assigned to the Waffen-SS because most foreign servicemen in German service during World War II were. You didn't want to be up against Torni if you were a soldier in a Communist country's army, but he always conducted himself honorably. Jsc1973 (talk) 12:47, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Are we seriously doing "Clean Wehrmatch" and "Clean SS" myths now?. Orocairion (talk) 12:32, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

text: He was accused of War Crimes, But most of the charges (Except High Treason) were dropped(?) due to the lack of evidence. 197.52.159.65 (talk) 11:23, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  War crimes 

message: Minor technical issue here, but since so much of his military history is documented in the article, here is a fine point that begs to be clarified.
The article says he was commissioned in the Signal Corps (SC). Why? Were there no slots in the Infantry available at that time or did he have some communications expertise (what was his enlisted MOS)? Did he attend Signal Officers Basic Course? The photograph shows him as an Infantry officer, so when, or did he, complete Infantry Officers Basic Course?. (Special Forces (SF) did not have its own branch insignia until 1987, so SF officers wore Infantry insignia prior to that time and the photo was obviously taken prior to his service in Vietnam, since he is wearing only the Army GCM and NDSM ribbons.) Is there a reference citation for when his basic branch changed from SC to Infantry/SF?
Good article on a great soldier and just trying to help make it better. CobraDragoon (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: In reading the sources I do not see "why" he was commissioned into the Signal Corps. The sources may have info as to his enlisted service, but I have not read that deeply. SF units (not the branch) have existed since 1952, but since the article does not discuss his branch or any branch transfer in great detail it is not of editing concern. Author Gill may have more specific info. I hope I can look deeper in Gill and to find an answer to your inquiry. Thanks.  – S. Rich (talk) 04:02, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
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message: When Egoist changed the infobox image (as an IP) I looked at the edit summary on the article and then checked the other WP articles on Thorne. A variety of images are used. True, the German WP uses the Waffen SS image, but German readers will have a greater interest in Thorne as a SS trained lieutenant. But most of Thorne's military career was with the US Army -- where he is an iconic figure in the SF community. This being so, it is more useful and helpful to the reader to see his US Army image in the infobox. As per my original edit summary, using the Waffen SS image in the infobox is WP:UNDUE because Thorne was with the SS for training and direct action against the Red Army, but not much else. He served with the US Army for a decade, and his US Army uniform is the one which most accurately depicts him.  – S. Rich (talk) 01:44, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which image for the infobox? 

message: But wasn't his alias in the German army Lauri Laine instead of Larry Lane?
His alias while traveling to Venezuela was also Eino Mörsky, not Elino. Hotaru.d (talk) 19:46, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It was most likely a mixture of both names (Larry Laine being the alias.), He did also go by a couple others while his escape from the POW camp (Auli Haapalainen and Martti Ludvig Nikkanen.) P.S. You are right about Törni's alias for escaping to Sweden and then to Venezuela. 197.52.159.65 (talk) 11:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alias in the German army 

message: The following was pasted from my talk page  – S. Rich (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lauri Torni, German, American.