Talk:Untitled Korn album

message: I don't really care what the title is, but shouldn't this article just be called something like 'Korn Album (untitled)', rather than 'Untitled Korn Album'.
Because the way it is now makes it a bit... not an album-article, it should have more of a title.
So I suggest the name 'Korn' is used, as that is what is on the cover, and then add '(untitled)' (yes, including brackets) to indicate it was untitled.
Together with the fact that, according to Davis or perhaps everyone in Korn, he/they wanted to let the fans make up the name.
Which is fine, so I just thought the article's name should be more direct, instead of looking like it's describing some upcoming album or something.
Also, I think a similar thing is mentioned earlier under the header 'Title'.
And then someone replies that it shouldn't be called something like this because the album isn't titled 'Korn'.
Well, it is called a "Korn-album" but then just no title for the rest, I know that the title 'Korn' is to indicate the band(-name).
But perhaps it's to more or less indicate the album too, however not necessarily as a title, still leaving it untitled.
In the end, the way it is now just looks silly, and the person's other suggestions are just too similar.
Bottom line: The ARTICLE should be called something along the lines of 'Korn (untitled)' or 'Korn album (untitled)'.
Maybe even add "2007", making it something like 'Korn album 2007 (untitled)', so that it will look more direct, clean and logical.
WITHOUT implying that any of those are the ALBUM/CD-titles.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DamageIncM (talk • contribs) 10:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of article

message: I would like to know all the names given to this album. Here's what I've seen so far.
*Devolution
*Korn II
*Korn 2007
*8
*Birdcrank? (something liek that)
*Untitled
*No Name
*Korn's 8th Studio Album
*The 8th Korn Studio Album
*
*The 8th Record  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.80.214 (talk) 08:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: List of names

message: i didn't want to put link into the article, so i post it here : http://www.sendspace.com/file/4k160t —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.28.188.28 (talk) 18:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that clip doesn't sound anything like the sound Korn has been describing. It's a decent riff, but nothing that I would expect. It's not even official. Then again, it is all speculation anyway. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.162.239.238 (talk) 03:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Madness"

message: Why do people keep changing the mention of "I'm the One" to say that it will be featured on the album? The song is used as a live intro on the current tour. Instead of just speculating that just because it's a live intro that it won't be on the album, it would be best to look at the facts regarding Korn's albums, and the fact is Korn have never used an intro on any studio album to date. They've hardly even had "cold openings" to the opening tracks of the album. The only example I could think of where they even did this was on "Blind" from their 1994 debut album, that was a long time ago lol. It's similar to Marilyn Manson's 1998-1999 live intro "Inauguration of the Mechanical Christ". Just because it was an original introduction piece by the band, doesn't mean they had to record a studio version for the subsequent studio album (2000's "Holy Wood"), neither does Korn. It's just a live intro. R-Tiztik 17:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "I'm the One"

message: There are websites that say there is and there isn't an Intro. I believe there is one. It will probably be similar to the Intro from Twisted Transistor (Album Version)
:Twisted Transistor's intro wasn't a separate track on the album.
I know, but I mean similar to the sound of the intro, but as a seperate song, duh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.169.189 (talk • contribs) 13:08, 27 June 2007 UTC
:Well I guess since YOU think there is an intro there is one and everyone else is wrong.  Is there really any reason you think that?
First of all, sign your posts. Second, go to this page http://www.amazon.co.uk/Untitled-Korn/dp/B000RPCJYI/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/026-1135433-1757253?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1183111625&sr=8-1
Amazon says there is an Intro so I am right, just like i've been saying the whole time 80.229.169.189 10:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Intro"

message: Can someone provide a link to that pic please? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by IndigoJones (talk • contribs) 10:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it was right there on Korn's website. It isn't there now that they revamped their site again recently. R-Tiztik 13:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 15 string bass?

message: Ok so i tried uploading the new album cover, which was revealed on myspace today. I filled out the form and nothing seemed to happen. Can someone help me? Passenger91 23:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Edit:: Ok my bad, i just saw that it was being protected for vandalism. Passenger91 23:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Album Cover

message: Why is there 2 pages for Untitled and Korn's Eighth album? both with the wrong album cover 80.229.169.189 15:05, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The cover on this article is correct, but what other article are you talking about? --lincalinca 15:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

text: And now it's restored. R-Tiztik 18:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Two Wiki Pages

message: I thought he left the band to spend more time with his family/recuperate/run his restaurants? This statement makes it seem like Jon, Munk and Field told him to "get out." I'm removing it, at least until we can get a verifiable source that states this.
Dark Executioner 02:26, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Medically forced" would probably serve for better terminology. He has wrist issues that are reported to be getting better, but had to take time off to recouperate to ensure he didn't permanently injure himself. That's how I understand it, anyway. --lincalinca 14:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "David Silveria on Forced Hiatus"?

message: Alright, so the album has finally leaked, and it seems like the many, many album articles I've been involved in, this discussion was inevitable. The album leak is worth noting; it's part of the record's background history, but it's too prominent to place in the Current Events section. It's not something that should be removed in the coming months either as the leak was ultimate (Nine Inch Nails' With Teeth's article still has a section regarding the leak over 2 years ago). I went through this on the talk page of the article for Marilyn Manson's Eat Me, Drink Me, basically with the argument that sourcing a leak promotes piracy. Stating it leaked doesn't directly promote piracy, but at the moment the only way to reference the leak would be to link directly to a torrent site or to the respective torrent itself, and that would directly encourage piracy; something Wikipedia is not to be a doorway for. The leak doesn't need to be referenced anyways, its common knowledge by now that it has been leaked for soon to be an entire day; otherwise it can't be referenced. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be noted though, since it is clearly a fact that it is on torrent networks. The only time I've ever seen a leak officially referenced is on Linkin Park's Minutes to Midnight article where Mike Shinoda released a press statement, and I don't think Korn's going to do that. The only reason Shinoda did it is because Linkin Park knew the album sales wouldn't slump that much regarding the leak, after their 4-year gap between albums. R-Tiztik 13:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is blatantly inappropriate to list that the album has been leaked, irrespective of where it has been leaked to. Cynically speaking, every album is leaked. It's common knowledge. To mention it here is just fuel to the fire indicating to viewers that it's out there. Potentially, their response may be that they sought the information on Wikipedia, which leaves Wikipedia liable. For this reason, do not restore the information. Legitimacy of leak dates has been discussed several times on the WP:ALBUMS talk pages (here, here, here and here). --lincalinca 13:53, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I fail to see why we need to source that the album has been leaked, we all know it has been leaked, we all know 1000's of people already have the album, is that not enough of a source? I think it would be fine just to state "The album was leaked on to bittorrent networks on 20/07/07" is that not sufficient? 80.229.169.189 17:48, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Leak

message: It has been factually reported that the track, "Innocent Bystander" includes an actual guitar solo. This qualifies as trivia given that it's a Korn first and so unique for the band itself. 
So no fighting, it's just common sense - put that into the trivia section.
:Well until the album is released it's better off in the Song descriptions section. When the album is released this section will be basically pointless since the album will be legally available and brief descriptions won't be necessary. It can move to the Trivia section after July 31; it's definitely notable though. R-Tiztik 03:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah now that you mention it there is no guitar solo here, or anywhere on the album if I'm not mistaken. There's a drum solo in "I Will Protect You", but we've known that for a month since it was on MySpace. The section in reference to the guitar solo featured in "Innocent Bystander" should be removed. R-Tiztik 05:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Addition to Trivia Section, Please

message: According to website such as Amazon, the title of this new Korn album is actually "Untitled", so I will be moving it as such. Or I would do, if someone hadn't already made it a redirect. Could an admin please delete the redirect so the page can be moved? Jasca Ducato 16:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You haven't been listening to a word anyone has said on this subject in this talk page have you? What else should Amazon and HMV and other online vendors call it? They have to write something in the title placeholder; if it's not titled then the first name you assume to call it is "Untitled", that is not to say the specific title is Untitled. Korn has not titled it, so it officially has no title. Anything Amazon or any other site calls it is simply a placeholder title because you can't just leave that blank; something has to go there. R-Tiztik 17:50, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Nay, the album is titled "Untitled." dude527 (talk) 23:21, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Album title

message: based on what its thought 'my arm hurts' to be 'killing'? there aint no hard riff in that. i think its 'sing sorrow'. if you look the 'making of' dvd you see like munk said in that interview jonathan showing a pretty tricky riff, which is in the middle section of the song. 'trained response' was probably the first name for 'killing', since its a line in the chorus.
:Yeah "Trained Response" was definitely the original title of "Killing", but I think "My Arm Hurts" was also a title originating before any of the two former titles. "It's a hard riff to play, and if you keep playing it for an hour, your arm hurts. Jon was in writing the song with us, so he's the one who came up with the riff — because he's not used to playing hours on end. He was kind of the second guitar player, filling in the blanks for me." Munky said this about "Killing" which definitely seems to constitute the possibility that both "My Arm Hurts" and "Trained Response" respectively were former titles of "Killing". R-Tiztik 05:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's probably referring to the death metal portion at the end of the song with the fast riff.  That could be something that would "hurt" your arm if you played it for a few hours.  I also think so because JD said in a recent interview that he loves death metal, leading me to believe he brought up the idea.--Zahveed 13:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "My Arm Hurts"

message: Instead of Untitled Korn Album It really should be Korn (2007 album) I belive it should be that way for numerous reasons. Look at it just like what Quiet Riot did EX: [[Quiet Riot (album) & Quiet Riot (1988 album). Skeeker [Talk] 05:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But this album's not called "Korn". It has no title, and so it would be undue speculation to simply "apply" a title to it. --lincalinca 05:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The album is not called "Korn", not called "Untitled" - it simply has no title.  It could be called 2007 Korn Album if for some reason it was decided that that was a better title, but we can't use any article title that implies that this album has a title; e.g., the difference between Untitled Korn Album and Untitled (Korn Album) John R S 02:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: When did they get put on this label?
Dark Executioner 02:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Columbia Records 

message: Shouldnt the listed Sputnikmusic review be the one written by the actual staff and not a contributing reviewer? Or maybe have both listed? I dont know if they both count as official or not, but if so, then its fine to just have the one already listed stay.—Preceding unsigned comment added by DevilsAlwaysCry (talk • contribs) 
:The one listed is a staff review. Next to the guy's name at the top it says "STAFF". It's the only way to distinguish staff from non-staff reviewers. And yes, only staff reviews are acceptable from sputnik, as per WP:ALBUM#Review sites. --lincalinca 03:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical Response 

message: Hey did anyone notice that there are actually two articles about this album?? The links to the two articles can be found at the bottom of the page of the album art (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UntitledKornalbum.jpg). Someone should sort through them both and add here whatever info the other one has extra, then delete the other one (I'm assuming this is the original since the other has NO discussion page). W.Darwish 14:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Taken care of. Thanks for the heads-up. - Cyrus XIII 15:07, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicate article! 

message: See WP:OR.
"Taking into consideration the number of downloaded albums as opposed to official sales, 123,000 would be the equivelant to about 400,000 official sales in 1999. Korn's first week on the charts is impressive, and the album is expected to have steady sales for the months to come."
wow, that's MASSIVELY original research (see WP:OR for info on why not to do that). 123,000 units is the lowest sales a US album has achieved to attain #2 all year, even for albums not in their first week of sales, so it's not accurate to say it's "impressive" or "equivalent t 400,000 units in 1999" considering album sles in general have not decreased by 78% on average. music downloads are believed to affect the average album by 4% and at worst, just under 10%. --lincalinca 09:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible that he's implying that 277,000 copies of the album have been downloaded (presumably from sources such as the iTunes store)... but unless that's the case, you can't convert to "1999 sales". John R S 23:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research 

message: From the Singles section thereon, the whole formatting is destroyed. I have no idea how the formatting works, so I was wondering if this could be fixed Budtard 19:07, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. = ∫tc 5th Eye 19:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles secion, etc. 

message: article states (many times) that there are 2 songs with guitar solos.. whoever wrote that should go and learn what a guitar solo means.. absolutely ridiculous.. --88.106.28.137 23:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  guitar solos? 

message: 207.210.25.208 has been constantly changing the genres in the infobox to capitals even after repeated reverts and warnings. This is getting extremely annoying. Can someone please stop this? = ∫tc 5th Eye 16:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for admin intervention with vandal 

message: I was lucky enough to get the deluxe edition. The song played in the background of the photo gallery is Evolution. I've only watched the DVD once, but I know the song Evolution well enough to remember that it is the song in the gallery. I've added this to the article, but for those of you with the standard edition, it is okay if you remove it. 12.214.76.88 20:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slideshow Gallery 

message: Aight Ima get straight to the point. Some half assed faggot keeps changing the italics on the board at the bottom of the page which gives the link to the Untitled page, which reads 'Untitled album'. It should be in italics, dont you agree and if the guy whos changing it reads this send me a message cos Ill be happy to deal with this one way or another  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ash48GotdaLife (talk • contribs) 21:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italics 

message: I'd like to know why they were removed. I fixed them up a bit and later on they were redirecting back to the Untitled album page. Lovetoadmire 18:02, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bitch We Got a Problem and Innocent Bystander articles 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Oppose - The album is registered at the RIAA as "Untitled."  It's also on Korn's official website as "Untitled," and those are the two most reliable sources we have. The Guy complain edits 20:41, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Here is a source for the chart positions: . --Pwnage8 (talk) 17:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then cite it, but it's still illegal POV violation to say in the lead that it charted poorly, unless you have a citation to show that it charted poorly, and in any case, that doesn't earn a place in the lead section, but in the Reception section, provided you can cite it. --The Guy complain edits 17:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charts 

message: Why is there no article for Kiss? Just wondering?die (talk) 00:45, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently it's not notable enough to warrant one. :/ It's an absolutely beautiful song, especially as the only Korn song to have such a pace, but yeah, it was deleted. Can't really see why it's the only single since B.B.K. from Follow the Leader to not be worthy of an article, I would of thought that such a notable band should have an article for every single. Robo37 (talk) 11:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Kiss

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