Talk:Red-baiting

message: The portion that includes an opinion that declares Obama's opinion as Center-left should be taken out. 
Obama is a center right Democrat, he belongs to the New Democrat Coalition. He doesn't espouse progressive left ideals or push for left leaning legislation. He describes himself as centerist.  The person that included it obviously has his own political agenda to brand him that way. I could find a million articles to counter this but it's better just to not encourage the red baiting in the red baiting entry. 
Here's Red Baiting of Michael Moore. http://www.journalinquirer.com/articles/2011/01/20/page_one/doc4d385d61a73c6632830994.txt  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 'Merikan (talk • contribs) 09:06, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Including one sided opinions about Obama political position.  

message: The article as it stands is incomplete and misleading.
The sources cited are not good quality.
I agree that the topic is going to excite contradictory views.
The article should rise above the level of a single line definition in an on-line dictionary.  Wikipedia is, after all, an encyclopedia.  I propose that red-baiting be placed in the context of a group of political tools that can be characterized as 'tarring with the same brush' and 'guilt by association'.  Reference to specific use of such tools should be made.
Preliminary points, in no particular order:
the red flag existed as a symbolism of revolution long before organized trends of communism and socialism developed in the 19th century CE
anarchism is associated with the color black and a flag of that color; movements and revolutions from the left are associated with the color red a flag of that color;
'race-baiting' is in the same spectrum of political tools as 'red-baiting'
many examples exist of 'tarring with the same brush' and 'guilt by association' aimed at conservative entities (I don't know of a convenient term for this tool)
--Neonorange 16:29, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to reduce 'Red-baiting' to stub and completely rewrite 

message: I removed the following material, added 21NOV13, from the lede of Red-baiting '; Socialism remains stigmatized in the Unites States. In particular, the ACA, commonly known as obamacare, is frequently thought of as socialism by American conservatives' and the cite 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/27/obamacare-socialism-louie-gohmert-steve-king_n_1383973.html?_r=1 retrieved 22/11/13. The section does need updating with more recent material, but the single cite does not support the statement "Socialism remains stigmatized in the Unites (sic) States." Adding more cites of the same type of material will not work because the statement still fails by WP:SYN (Huffing Post is ok as a RS, especially since the congressmen make their remarks on videotape). A reliable tertiary source must be found that itself includes a similar statement. - Neonorange (talk) 02:40, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material for the 21st century section 

message: Doesn't the extremely common conflation of (more or less radical) left-wing movements opposed to dictatorial rule (whether authoritarian or totalitarian), such as democratic or libertarian socialism, with Marxism–Leninism, i. e., single-party-ruled "communist" states like the Soviet Union, Mao's China, Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, North Korea, etc. (contrast Dictatorship of the proletariat, which is not actually a dictatorship), with the intent to taint them with the atrocities and other extremely negative aspects associated with these states, also constitute a form of red-baiting? (An analogous tactic applied to the right would be to treat conservatism as identical with religious fundamentalism and the advocacy of theocracy, or libertarianism as indistinguishable from Nazism/fascism.) After all, George Orwell, for example, is known as a harsh critic of Soviet-style totalitarianism, yet many are surprised when they learn that he still considered himself a socialist because they fail to appreciate the difference. From the article, it appears like the only victims of red-baiting are social democrats, who tend to dissociate themselves from socialism and Marxism (exactly because of this stigma apparently). Only the paragraph mentioning Bernie Sanders provides a timid hint that other leftist movements, especially socialist movements, might be affected by the same phenomenon. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 23:15, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflation of democratic socialism and Soviet-style dictatorships 

message: What would be the "equivalent but opposite" term for smearing libertarian or conservative politics as "fascist" in the same way?  It's not exactly a reduction ad hitlerium as cited on Wikipedia and calling it "mainstream journalism" would seem unnecessarily cynical ... 62.196.17.197 (talk) 15:24, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Diametric Opposite" 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Recently, User:JesseRafe inserted some disputed material from Lee J. Carter. He's been edit-warring to keep it in, even though it lacks citations. The only source for "red-baiting" is Jacobin, whose reliability for this has been questioned on that talk page and also on WP:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Lee_J._Carter_and_red-baiting. Until the issue is settled, there's no reason to let him keep spreading it around.
After I removed it, User:Britishfinance asked me to explain myself here, which seemed reasonable. Now that I've satisfied their request, I'm going to remove the disputed material again. Please don't insert it unless you can explain why we should trust Jacobin's characterization. Thanks. 24.47.152.65 (talk) 00:17, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that summary; I am watching this page now.  Britishfinance (talk) 21:55, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed material copied from  

message: There should be another section added explaining that now we have the "new" red baiting (which due to a change in slang is still appropriately colored), where the liberals use the same informal logical fallacy to attack conservatives. I won't bore you with a recital of their terminology, but I'm sure that you see that it's the same tactic.SienkRJ (talk) 23:59, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "New" Red Baiting