Talk:Richard Cheese

message: He's most well-known among some for his Star Wars version of Manilow's "Copacabana", which probably could have been a minor hit, except that it's never had a real commercial release due to potential legal problems.  It doesn't seem to be discussed on this page or the "Copacabana (song)" page... AnonMoos (talk) 14:18, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally figured out that it's discussed at Mos Eisley Cantina#Parody song, which should be linked from this article and the "Copacabana (song)" article... AnonMoos (talk) 15:27, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: He did about four or five Star Wars themed comedy songs/skits under his real name in the late 1990's before he became Richard Cheese. The Phantom Medley from 1999 was the other big one. He did later rerelease these tracks as Richard Cheese on his 2015 album, The Lounge Awakens, along with covers of some other people's Star Wars themed (and other space related) songs, including Weird Al's Yoda. Why there's not an article for Mark Jonathan Davis outlining his comedy career from before he was Richard Cheese, or even a reference to it in the history section, is anyone's guess.68.42.32.128 (talk) 03:53, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Star Wars song

message: If you take a look at the page history of Mark Jonathan Davis you'll see that User:wiae noticed that the page was a copyright violation of your website, and User:Mz7 responded by expunging the infringing revisions from the page history. I know what you're going to say: you wrote that, so you have the right to put it on Wikipedia. That doesn't work: at the bottom of your website, it says "(C) Copyright 1982-2017 Mark Jonathan Davis", not "Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License". Even if you have confirmed your real-world identity, we can't just take copyrighted material. --Slashme (talk) 09:03, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright violation

message: I think it's quite plausible that you as person are independently notable, as is the Richard Cheese character. However, in the absence of a properly written Wikipedia article referenced to reliable, independent sources (i.e. not your own website!), redirecting it as it is at the moment is probably the most useful state for our readers. --Slashme (talk) 09:03, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect vs separate article

message: First off, thanks for actually identifying yourself and interacting with us. That makes it possible for us to have an open discussion. I also get that you're doing your best to figure Wikipedia out. With that said, have you read Wikipedia:Autobiography? I think I've directed you to it before. The "TL;DR" version is "We have biographies here, not autobiographies. Avoid writing or editing an article about yourself, other than to correct unambiguous errors of fact."
When an article has been written with a promotional tone, it's like a steak that's fallen in the toilet. It takes a lot of work to clean it up, and it probably still won't taste right. That's why we sometimes take the "blow it up and start over" approach! --Slashme (talk) 09:03, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Self-promotion

message: I am considering an AfD for this and all related articles - clearly part of a massive autobiographical walled garden with essentially no sources even with that issue being pointed out (see comments by   I see nothing that supports any notability.Peter Rehse (talk) 16:09, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi PRehse, my point of view is that the general topic has some notability, but doesn't warrant a separate article for each of Mark Jonathan Davis's characters/personas. The other problem is that the continual promotional editing by the subject of the articles gives us a real problem with the balance and tone of the articles, so that WP:TNT might be the only option. I would unhesitatingly support redirecting/merging all the articles on the topic either to this article or to the MJD article. I am in two minds about just deleting everything, but I am seriously beginning to consider requesting admin intervention to help Richardcheese2 to get the point. --Slashme (talk) 09:00, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  If it was clear cut I would have done it already - I too think that one article is best but we also have the refusal to provide any sources.  All we have is a list of material which once would think there is some outside references discussing it.  This is one of the most egregious abuses of wiki self promotion I have seen in quite a while.Peter Rehse (talk) 09:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

text: At the very least I would expect one article (advise MJD) and not articles on each persona and every song.  References don't support that level of notability.  There is just too much unsupported duplication to come to any other conclusion.Peter Rehse (talk) 14:23, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree with this point of view. The way I see it, is there's a person (MJD) who has a number of personas of various levels of notability, but it serves our readers best at this point if we have all these terms point to one article. It can be maintained better that way, and we can address the various aspects of the topic in one place. I don't really care whether the article is called Richard Cheese or Mark Jonathan Davis. I'm leaning towards Richard Cheese, though, because of WP:COMMONNAME. For example, Slim Shady and Marshall Mathers both point to Eminem. --Slashme (talk) 13:48, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Its like an itch that just won't go away.  Still no sources on any of the articles - do I or do I not take this to AfD.  Seems more than enough chance has been given and I don't see inherit notability.Peter Rehse (talk) 19:51, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: , I have added some references on this page, however it is still largely unreferenced. Bakilas (talk) 07:20, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Considering AfD