Talk:Ilford North (UK Parliament constituency)

message: The article on Gavin Stollar has been nominated for deletion. Timrollpickering 10:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Note of article for deletion

message: User  has added volumes of middle names into candidate details on this and other pages, and I have deleted them here and for Ilford South.  My view is that this is detail not needed for a page intended to provide historical election results; where candidates are notable, a link to their personal page provides access to full biographical information.  Showing candidates with up to five first names before their surname doesn't make this page look sensible.  Pinging  Other views are welcome IanB2 (talk) 12:16, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: IanB2 has deleted volumes of middle names out of candidates details on this and 1 other page and I had restored them only to have them deleted again. My view is that this detail is needed where a candidate does not have a link to access biographical detail. He also assumes that a candidates first name is the name they were known by, which is a poor assumption to make. When an un-linked candidate's name is listed in full we can be sure the information listed is right and we make it esaier for other editors to track down a link if one exists. How many forenames a candidate had is a fact and should not be constrained by any stylistic consideration, after all this is an encyclopedia concerned with facts. Graemp (talk) 12:45, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

text: I have to say that adding every single middle name, up to five!, is perhaps overkill. Yes, candidates may be known by other names, but issues with notability surely kicks in when each and every middle name of each and every candidate is added in full? For winners and notable runners up, I understand the case for adding additional detail. Others and also-rans, not so much   doktorb wordsdeeds 04:18, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

text: The style point about proper names is already covered fully by existing WP policies.  In an article speficially about a person, their full name is spelled out ONCE only.  For references within articles, the format most commonly used by other sources should always be used.  Normally this would be first and last name, although there are exceptions (like John F Kennedy).  This is the approach that should be used on election result pages.  Adding strings of middle names that would not generally be used by other media sources isn't adding value. IanB2 (talk) 08:27, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The style policies very clearly apply to all references to proper names.  If you wish to contest them please take this up on the appropriate MoS talk page IanB2 (talk) 08:59, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

text: WP doesn't work on the basis that individual users can decide whether they wish to apply policies or not.  If we are looking for consistent presentation I would suggest that the historically published Times Guide to the House of Commons can be considered authoritative; in the pre-electronic era this was the go-to source for detailed election results, as Butler only contained summaries.  The Times Guide did not, as far as I can see, list any middle names of candidates, who were referred to by first and last name only and, in the tabulated results data, with initials only. IanB2 (talk) 09:47, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

text: It is nevertheless clear that WP policies on data presentation and style are guided by those of other authoritative sources, not the preferences of a single user.  It is also clear that we editors are directed towards consistency and conciseness, with the 'unlimited space' argument explicitly countered in WP editing policy.  If you have a concern with the general principle of clear, concise and consistent presentation you really need to take it up elsewhere, rather than spend any more time adding fluff to individual pages. IanB2 (talk) 10:06, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

text: if his name were 'Walter Alexander' then he would be referred to as such in the rest of the article about him. But he is clearly called 'Alexander' IanB2 (talk) 10:15, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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