Talk:Steve Jobs

message: Don't like this section. It should explain his role in these products, his decision-making, etc., not just plainly describe the products. And I think the description of his role would best fit within the general chronology of the biography, rather than as a separate "Products" section. DFlhb (talk) 23:28, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Innovations and designs section 

message: why do you persist in reverting despite policy? In articles, when unsourced content is reverted, it stays out until affirmative consensus is reached (WP:BURDEN).
The first sentence is for occupations. Making one investment in Pixar doesn't make Jobs an investor. You've removed entrepreneur, which is verifiable and WP:BLUESKY, and reinstated "magnate", which is neither. I'd have added "innovator" (along with proper sources) but inventor is fine too. DFlhb (talk) 21:17, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In a more recent edit, you've hinted that your disputed changes are covered by MOS:LEAD. That is false, since neither labels ("magnate" and "investor") are cited in the body. I've explained on your talk page that the first lead sentence is for definitional labels; to call him an investor, we need a multitude of sources that call him that, not just sources that show he made one investment at one point in his life. You've edit warred to keep your preferred unsourced wording in the lead, and then refused to discuss, perhaps in the hopes that it gets to stay in. This is neither productive nor collaborative. Again, please self-revert. DFlhb (talk) 22:51, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverts to lead 

message: Section “Health problems”, second paragraph, last word in the following excerpt:
However, cancer researcher and alternative medicine critic David Gorski wrote that "it's impossible to know whether and by how much he might have decreased his chances of surviving his cancer through his flirtation with woo.
Both of the references for the above excerpt contain “woo”. I note that “WOO” or “WoO” stands for “Window of Opportunity” per the following:
https://ascopubs.org/doi/abs/10.1200/JCO.2020.38.29_suppl.181#:~:text=Background%3A%20In%20%E2%80%9Cwindow%20of%20opportunity,and%20definitive%20anti%2Dcancer%20treatment.
In “window of opportunity” (WOO) clinical trials, people with newly diagnosed early-stage cancer are exposed to an experimental drug during the period of time between diagnosis and definitive anti-cancer treatment. These trials allow investigators to study drug efficacy in untreated disease, which can expedite drug development. However, for trial participants, the WOO approach requires them to decide about an altruistic clinical trial during an intense time immediately after cancer diagnosis. This qualitative study aimed to understand patient perspectives on WOO clinical trials.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04644289
WoO: Window of Opportunity Trial of Olaparib and Durvalumab in Histologically Proven EOC (WoO)
Should a reference to the meaning of “woo” (I don’t know whether it’s an acronym or an initialism) and the fact that it should have been written as “WOO” or “WoO” (if both are considered to be correct) in the excerpt’s references be included? I suppose the easiest thing would be to replace “woo” with “[WOO]” (if that’s considered acceptable) and make it a link to the ascopubs.org page above which defines it. Dbsx (talk) 13:38, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: See wiktionary:woo#Etymology 3, which leads to wiktionary:woo woo#Noun — DFlhb (talk) 19:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obscure and incorrectly written acronym or initialism “woo” 

message: Should we create a series template for Jobs like there is for Musk or Gates? It wouldn't have to be too long or anything, but I do feel like there is plenty to use for it, and it could help with reader navigation, too. Thanks. ~ Flyedit32 (talk) 15:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we create a template series for Jobs? 

message: He was a businessman that revealed technology to mass media and the public. Mechanical Keyboarder (talk) 04:20, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Jobs was not an inventor 

message: I recently created a draft for Reed Jobs. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 02:06, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Draft:Reed Jobs]], the son of Steve Jobs 

message: Actually, Steve's original birth name was Abdul Lateef John Jandali. 97.118.121.7 (talk) 22:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We need a reliable source that says that. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:05, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

text: This was previously discussed, where the conclusion was that GulfNews was the only outlet saying this, and wasn't independently confirmed, so the sourcing isn't good enough to include. And given Jobs's fame, and the large number of books written about him, anything that didn't make the cut in those books would likely be undue anyway. DFlhb (talk) 00:32, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, slight WP:OR: per Isaacson's biography, his 'birth' mother planned (not fully by choice, mind you) to put him for adoption before he was born, and he was placed in a family immediately upon birth. Intuitively that would mean that his "real" birth name is what his adoptive parents picked. DFlhb (talk) 00:33, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  birth name 

message: Hi Wikipedia,
I have a lot of knowledge I have read from books and would like to share with everyone, I am an enthusiastic person, and trustworthy, I would like to share my prior and current knowledge with everyone using Wikipedia
Thank You,
BobYan69 BobYan69 (talk) 06:14, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:33, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2023 

message: : Steven Paul Jobs (February 24, 1955 – October 5, 2011) was an American business magnate, inventor, and investor best known as the co-founder [...]
The lead sentence has been repeatedly changed this past year, with slow-motion edit warring instead of talk page discussions. I disputed "business magnate" and "investor" above as against MOS:ROLEBIO, and the user who reinstated them didn't discuss on talk.  disputed 's bold addition of "inventor", and I've come to agree since it's redundant with the end of the first paragraph, but this was reinstated several times without discussion.
Could we all collaborate on what the lead sentence should say?  How about the simplest, "American entrepreneur"? The relevant guidelines are MOS:FIRSTBIO and MOS:ROLEBIO. DFlhb (talk) 08:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need help resolving this lead sentence edit-war 

message: In the Health problems > Death section, add at the end of the 5th paragraph:
Richard Stallman commented on his death: "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone".https://www.zdnet.com/article/richard-m-stallman-on-steve-jobs-im-not-glad-hes-dead-but-im-glad-hes-gone/ Flakesosa (talk) 21:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. Why? Pinchme123 (talk) 04:28, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2023 

message: Can we get a better infobox photo? Why do we have the infobox photo of him near the end of his life? The 1984 portrait of him is better for the infobox photo in my humble opinion.   Ccole2006 (talk) 03:34, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox photo 

message: To be honest, some parts of early life section is a bit confusing to me. Paul, Jobs, Paul Jobs, Clara, Clara Hagopian. Arggh, sometimes I saw no clear distinction of what refers to what. Natsuikomin (talk) 13:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need to be paraphrased 

message: According to Wozniak, Jobs told him that Atari paid them only $750 (instead of the actual $5,000), and that Wozniak's share was thus $375.
Change the wording to be the same as Steve Wozniak's page, where it is much clearer that Steve Jobs scammed his best friend. It is ambiguous enough here to where I didn't realize what had happened. It sounds like he was only paid $750. 
Corrected version (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Wozniak) :
Jobs had little knowledge of circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the fee evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50, by using RAM for the brick representation. The fact that this prototype had no scoring or coin mechanisms meant Woz's prototype could not be used. Jobs was paid the full bonus regardless. Jobs told Wozniak that Atari gave them only $700 and that Wozniak's share was thus $350 (equivalent to $2,400 in 2023).[33][5]: 147–148, 180  Wozniak did not learn about the actual $5,000 bonus (equivalent to $34,300 in 2023) until ten years later. While dismayed, he said that if Jobs had told him about it and had said he needed the money, Wozniak would have given it to him.[34]: 104–107  Quantumcon (talk) 09:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Other Wikipedia articles are not considered reliable sources per WP:CIRCULAR. User:CanonNi (talk|contribs) 09:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2024 

message: I think the 1984 portrait of him is better for the infobox than the cuurent one, which shows him at the near end of his life.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccole2006 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The current photo shows him as he was known holding his greatest business achievement. Trillfendi (talk) 20:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The Mac could have also arguably been one of his greatest achievements too. Ccole2006 (talk) 23:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's......why it's aleady there. You reposted that same image for no reason which is already in the article, and you already posted this topic on this very page with the same meaningless rationale. This is a "good" status and very stable article so please stop the broken record of nitpicking. — Smuckola(talk) 01:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine. At the very least, can we get a cropped photo of the 2010 photo? That's seem to be a standard for BLP's. Ccole2006 (talk) 05:29, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox photo