Talk:Bull riding

message: The article should include at least a mention of the flank strap pulled at the time the chute is opened (as mentioned above.)
I understand that the events of the rodeo are contests based on the skills required in the various daily functions of the cowboy.  When in the pursuit of his daily functions does a cowboy ride a wild bull?  Cowboys are usually horsemen who manage the process of raising, managing, and transporting cattle.  To the best of my knowledge, cowboys don't ride cows.  This event in particular stands out a one specifically developed to show the courage and tenacity of the rider at the expense of the animal in question.  I'd appreciate hearing any opinions on either side of this issue discussed here.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.1.18.14 (talk • contribs) 21:12, June 13, 2004.
In my mind, a cowboy does not have to only be skilled with horses. Bull riding is a sport that takes courage and skill, and if you haven't noticed, bulls are usually not the ones hurt!!!!
In my opinion, you sound like a supporter of PETA          I am also a supporter of PETA as in people eating tasty animals.
:Um, dude, the comment was made in 2004.  We've fixed this stuff a long time ago. Also, WP asks that we assume good faith and not have random attacks on other people.   (I think I'd better create an archive for this page). Montanabw(talk) 01:49, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flank straps and "why bull riding?" 

message: There is really no outside reason as to why rodeo bulls jump.  It is either in their personality or it is not.  Yes, the flank strap does provide some irritation, but that's all.  It is not tied to any extrimities.  It is tied above the hips.  Some rodeos will allow the use of a cattle prod to get the bulls moving if they don't start by themselves.  But all of that is just addition to the natural kick of the bull.  There are bulls that are tested and don't jump or kick.  They don't get used in professional rodeo.  Some practice rodeos may use them for people who are just starting, but nothing more.  They jump because the rope tied in front of their legs
Bulls buck because they are bred that way.  If you look into the genetics of these athletes, the breeder's take the ones that do perform, and use them to breed offspring that perform the same.  It is a well thought out process and there is a system in place to track and monitor these animals.  That system is the ABBI and NBBA.  The flank strap alone does not cause the animal to buck.  If the animal does not have it in its blood, it is not going to perform no matter what you put on its flank.
how big is adult bull? in feet(lenght)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.209.239.152 (talk) 02:22, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  why they jump 

message: I'm very ignorant when it comes to the nuts and bolts of how a bull rider and bull are scored, but from the events that I've watched, it seems to me that, in general, riders who successfully ride bulls that do a lot of spinning around and not very much hard bucking get scored higher than riders that successfully ride bulls that have a lot of bucks and kicks and not much consistent spinning.  The rider that won the event that ran on the night of 7/5 on Vs. is a prime example of what I'm getting at.  Is there a reason for this? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Spinning is a lot harder to stay on than bucking, basically.  Combining the two is the toughest, sometimes you see a roll of the hindquarters sideways, they call that "sunfishing," also very difficult.  Straightforward bucking isn't nearly as hard to stay with, it's just a faster version of a leaping gait.  Not that any of it is easy on a bull!  Montanabw(talk) 05:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting...I'll keep that in mind next time I watch a riding event.  Thanks!  Willbyr (talk | contribs) 12:42, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's all the laws of physics, my friend!  (grin)  Montanabw(talk) 04:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bucking vs. spinning 

message: This article is too narrow for the title - an article on bull iding should cover all traditions of bull riding sports such as Latin American Jaripeo and historical old world bull riding sports. Or it should be moved to a more fitting title - e.g. American bull riding.·Maunus·ƛ· 02:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Then there needs to be articles titled jaripeo and such. We've "been there, done that" on various rodeo articles.  I have no problem with doing articles about similar events in other nations, but we've had this debate before at other articles -- rodeo, cowboy, etc. (There was a vicious debate over this at rodeo, which resulted in the uncovering and banning of a major sockpuppet and the restoration of several content forks back into the original article.)  "Bull riding" is a term of art referencing a particular sport.  If there are other things called (in their own nation) "bull riding" (or literally translated as such), then we can do a disambiguation page or a cross-link, or something.  In the meantime, there is no need to add "American" to this title (particularly as there is a similar form in Australia) in absence that there actually IS something out there to disambiguate.  I think the Australian editors should add Aussie rules to this article, and the PRCA and NIRA rules should go in too, as it is a little focused on just PBR, but it's not a globalization issue, exactly.  I'd be glad to see what else is out there, but title clutter for its own sake is just a waste of time.  Montanabw(talk) 21:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be the case that Americans consider to have a patent on the term "bull riding" but this is not just an American encyclopedia. There are other kinds of bull riding that are also referred to with that same term as well and the article needs to reflect that, or somehow direct the reader to where he can find general information about all kinds of bull riding. It needs the globalize tag untill this issue has been solved - Don't just remove the tag because you don't think it is an issue - that is not how we work here. ·Maunus·ƛ· 00:40, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: First, your current edit was a helpful improvement on the article, so thank you.  (And thank you for not reverting over a tag.  I am grateful you chose to help fix the issues you had concerns over)  But I've fought -- and won-- this "globalization" non-issue on multiple other cowboy and rodeo articles over the past several years and have no interest in fighting it again.  I'm all for accuracy.  I'm not for content forking.  (We had this with rodeo versus charreada for example.  Two different, yet related things, two different articles)  So if you really think "bull riding" as a term is US-Centric, I will ask for some serious proof: please name ONE other sport actually called "bull riding." Point out articles on "old world bull riding sports" Then we can discuss.  I realize that in a case such as football, where two different sports have the same name in English (referencing "soccer" and "gridiron") there is an argument. But  I don't see a parallel situation here. Montanabw(talk) 05:58, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The question of mentioning another sport called Bull riding misses the point - the point is whether the phrase "Bull riding" is also commonly used by lay readers to refer to non-American bull riding. I think it does - I came to this article because I was looking for general information about the history and international cultural practices that involved of riding bulls. This is the kind of issue where there is a technical usage that is specific and a lay usage that is more broad - in these cases we need to be helpful to the readers and steer them towards the topics they might be looking for. If "Bull riding" does indeed most commonly refer to the american tradition - I suspect you are right that it does - then we need to guide readers to the locations where they can find information about other usages - e.g. by a hatnote, by a disambiguatiopn page if such a thing is neccesarry, or by including links to the relvant articles in the text of the article (like we do with Jaripeo and Charreada now). I think the current solution works, all though additional links might become necessary if we get an article about the world history of bull riding games. I appreciate your brushup on the stuff I wrote.·Maunus·ƛ· 18:31, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that we have a stable solution for now, the additional history was a good addition, I appreciate your finding the material.  I know that people do occasionally ride oxen as work animals, but they are usually steers -- castrated.  Riding bulls for the sake of riding may actually not be something where much will be found -- The Minoans did a sort of acrobatic thing, leaping over the horns, using the body of the animal sort of like a gymnast's pommel horse or something. The Spaniards were wise enough to realize that bullfighting to prove machismo might actually be safer than trying to ride them, it took the zany people of north America (Hispanic and Anglo) to cook up something as death-defyingly, Dawrin-award-self-nominating as actually getting on top of one on purpose and trying to stay there. (LOL)  But if you do find something else that was original and not derivative, feel free to note it here and maybe add more stuff.  Montanabw(talk) 22:33, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Globalize

message: The following content was proposed for this article, and much of it is probably suitable if we can add sources and do some copyediting:  Montanabw(talk) 05:36, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding content 

message: Please don't put things that are linked in the article into the see also section. It's supposed to be used for things that don't fit in with the text, but are related. White Arabian Filly Neigh 21:11, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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