Talk:The New School

message: Moved. WhiteNight T | @ | C 00:31, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Result

message: Taking one class offered by a college and making a whole section out of it seems to place undue focus on it. -Willmcw 19:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the whole section is on the New School for Social Research, their graduate program for social science and humanities. Cognition 19:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Then how come 131 words of your new section is just a cut-and-paste of a class description? -Willmcw 05:53, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: One class

message: The history of the school, and what appears to be its three names, is simply not immediately clear.  Someone who knows it well should fix it up. Unschool 02:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As of 1/7/2017, this remains a serious problem.  In the very first paragraph the article states "for most of its history, the university was known as The New School for Social Research."  In the next passage, it states "The University in Exile in 1934 was chartered by New York State and its name was changed to the Graduate Faculty of Political and Social Science. In 2005, it was renamed the New School for Social Research."  This is very confusing.  The first statement makes it sound like the NSSR was a very early name and the umbrella name for the core of the institution.  The second statement makes it sound like NSSR is a very recent name and only referred to one academic unit.  Can someone clarify this?  Is it the case that for most of its history the entire university was called NSSR, but since 2005 this label was only applied to the subunit previously called Graduate Faculty of Political and Social Science?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davemsheridan (talk • contribs) 17:10, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it should be clearer now. Unschool 21:55, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronology 

message: Deleting this statement:
A lot of casting directors and other schools/professors are critical of The New School's practicum, as no noteworthy actors have graduated from it.
Not only is it unsupported, it's also poorly worded - "A lot"?  What does that mean?  Also, considering that the New School's acting program is one year old, it is perhaps not surprising that "no noteworthy actors have graduated from it".  This doesn't make the grade, if you will.  --Chancemichaels 03:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acting program? 

message: What does D-NE stand for after Bob Kerrey's name? John Vandenberg 04:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: it refers to Bob Kerrey's political history as a Democratic senator from Nebraska. Cuffeparade 06:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there an article on wikipedia that describes this notation in more detail?  i.e., I have a few questions on the specifics of this, e.g. what if Bob was to become a senator for another region; would both be listed?  I've seen this notation is in wide use on WP; I'm concerned that others from outside America will also scratch there heads at this one, esp. the two letter state codes. John Vandenberg 11:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if there is a relevant WP article referring to this practice, but it is standard in American newspaper style guides. To be honest I'm not entirely sure if it is commonly used to identify retired senators, which perhaps could clear up the necessity of using it in this case, but certainly for serving senators it is a standard style notation. Cuffeparade 05:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I've raised the question on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Congress. John Vandenberg 12:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  unexplained acronym 

message: I am hoping for some clarification from the editor who added a fact tag to the paragraph on Jean Rohe's speech at the 2006 commencement. Is the citation required to provide sufficient evidence that she said that McCain doesn't represent the university, or that she said anything at all? If it's the former, then the previous 3 citations in that section appear to speak towards that. If it's the latter, I'll gladly dig up the relevant citations - I know she wrote a long (some might say long-winded) message on the Huffington Post immediately after the fact which should be satisfactory, and there are a number of other outlets that wrote on her speech in the week that followed, turning her into something of a 15 minute 'blogebrity'. Cuffeparade 09:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The New School in media citation flag 

message: I think there should be a separate page for The New School for Social Research; all the other divisions of The New School have separate articles. Andywata 10:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that makes sense - as it is this article is kind of split between history as it relates to the university as a whole as well as the grad school in particular. There would likely be some amount of redundancy between the two articles, but a NSSR article would be free of association with a lot of the New School stuff, and would potentially clear up this page as well (I'm thinking things like the noted faculty, which currently pretty much only refers to the NSSR people, while Parsons and Mannes both have some very notable faculty as well). Cuffeparade 12:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The New School for Social Research

message: I added McKenzie Wark to the notable present faculty section. Basically my justification for this was the fact that he has a WP page, so if people have objections please do bring them up here. Cuffeparade 11:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Faculty

message: I made a couple of substantive edits (as well as several minor edits), including a modest rewrite of the opening paragraph (partly just to make the jumble of successive names of the school a bit more clear) and a reformating of the history of the University in Exile and Philosophical Tradition sections. I'd like to do a bit more, but I wanted to bring the ideas up here first, as they are possibly a bit more controversial.
Firstly, I think that we could do well to put the adjunct faculty information into the New School in the Media section, as I don't know if that bit of news deserves its own section - I certainly don't see there being a general rule of noting the labor structure at universities in other articles (even Yale, which has had a number of high profile, bitter struggle with different labor groups, does not have a labor/union section). 
Secondly, I just don't particularly like the photo of the map of the New School campus. I suppose it might as well stick around for now, but it's not a particularly useful image, you can't even use it as a map at the resolution that exists. I'll be back in New York in the near(ish) future, so perhaps I'll solve my own problem and take a better pic to illustrate the school. Also, perhaps we can add some information about the proposed 'Signature Building' to replace the GF building in the A New Identity section? Dunno, just a thought. Cuffeparade 12:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Edits

message: I don't recall reading anything about Kerouac attending The New School. He attended and played football at Columbia. The referenced page doesn't exist, and even if it did it is in another online, reader edied encyclopedia. 75.248.13.254 (talk) 07:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumni 

message: When was the University-in-exile renamed to the Graduate Faculty of Political and Social Science?  Was it really 1934 or later?211.124.16.6 (talk) 04:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  When was the University-in-exile renamed to the Graduate Faculty of Political and Social Science? 

message: Seems strong.  Princeton University, for example is not listed as "renowned." Dehbach (talk) 20:41, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: renowned?

message: Her page (and an Lelie Spier obituary says she was a part of the New Republic group and so founder and early teacher at the New School. She was an early (and an early female) Sociologist, a feminist, later a pupil of Franz Boas  and important Anthropologist, and also: she had money and was married to a politician.--Radh (talk) 07:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Elsie Clews Parsons]] 

message: Wilhelm Reich taught at The New School when he arrived from Europe in 1939. It's pretty odd that this comprehensive article makes no mention of this. __meco (talk) 11:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd: Wilhelm Reich not mentioned 

message: A unique virtue of The New School is its vigorous defense and support of free speech and diversity. This is exemplified in the article's Section 6.3 describing John McCain's speech at the graduation ceremony of 2006. Jean Rohe, a graduating senior who spoke before McCain, personified this New School virtue and should have a more prominent emphasis in the article. Lestrade (talk) 01:01, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Can Virtue Be Taught?

message: In the “Enrollment demographics” section, the statement, “41% of them are people of color” is made. Since the range of skin colors is a continuum, at what exact point or degree does “white” become “colored”? As Berkeley wrote, “…there is no man but has some colour….”(A Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge, Introduction, 9). “Minorities” was also a bad choice of words. With increasingly vigorous bedroom activity, minorities easily become majorities over time.Lestrade (talk) 14:24, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Skin Spectrum

message: I think that New School Professor of Culinary History Rynn Berry, the New York City "Mystery Jogger, Vegan Historian, should have been mentioned as a curious Faculty member. MaynardClark (talk) 01:36, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Rynn Berry, Mystery Jogger, Vegan Historian, New School Professor of Culinary History

message: Could someone who attends the school please go over to Richard D. Wolff's office and get a photo? Many thanks. :) 23:30, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richard D. Wolff image 

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message: this is an unsourced laundry list. 
Since its founding 92 years ago, The New School has graduated hundreds of notable alumni, most of whom excelled in creative fields. Among distinguished graduates are Woody Allen, Peter L. Berger, President Shimon Peres, fashion designer Donna Karan, Madeleine L'Engle, Marlon Brando, Bea Arthur, Jake Shears, Sufjan Stevens, Jean L. Cohen, Bradley Cooper, Tony Curtis, Ani DiFranco, Lorraine Hansberry, Michael Marder, Jesse Eisenberg, Paul Dano, Stacy Farber, Jonah Hill, business executive Stewart Krentzman, Nelson Barbosa, opera stars Danielle de Niese and Yonghoon Lee, Tatiana Santo Domingo, art historian Nelson Ikon Wu, fashion designers Tom Ford and Marc Jacobs, Will Wright, Thomas Luckmann, Eleanor Roosevelt, Ruth Westheimer, Norman Rockwell, Tennessee Williams, Brian Willison, and experimental psychologist Howard S. Hoffman.
Past distinguished faculty have included Woody Allen, Hannah Arendt, W. H. Auden, Rynn Berry, W. E. B. Du Bois, Henry Cowell, Josef Frank, Erich Fromm, Robert Frost, Martha Graham, Edith Hirsch, Christopher Hitchens, Eric Hobsbawm, Saul K. Padover, Leo Strauss and Frank Lloyd Wright.
-- 19:51, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep it. it follows the guidelines of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Embedded lists and WP:ListFormat re "alumni".  It is a list of Wikipedia articles and no secondary source is needed to prove to readers that these are indeed Wikipedia articles. Rjensen (talk) 20:45, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither of those pages waives WP:VERIFY.  How shall we resolve our dispute?  Third opinion maybe? Jytdog (talk) 08:18, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added a footnote that you deleted that cites the names. We have a simple list of Wikipedia articles, like "See also" lists. Anyone can verify the links are there--none are red links!  Lists of notable alum appear in many university articles and they are recommended by wp:Booster Review the Alumni Association's website to include additional notable alumni   Rjensen (talk) 08:35, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see an added footnote in this dif nor this one. Where did you add it?  And WP:BOOSTER doesn't waive VERIFY either.  And a link to a WP article is not a way to VERIFY anything. As for other articles, well, Wikipedia is full of bad content which is why the essay WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, exists.  Again, what route of DR shall we pursue?  Shall I neutrally open a thread at WT:VERIFY?  I think I will just do that, actually. I'll leave a note here with the link.  Jytdog (talk) 09:36, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

text: I added the footnote on Revision as of 06:40, 1 May 2016.  Let's look at the names: which is the FIRST one you think fails verification? Rjensen (talk) 09:38, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, so you did!  You provided a citation to this.  Ranker is a wiki; Wikis are not reliable sources - see WP:SPS. Jytdog (talk) 09:43, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

text: See Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#VERIFY_and_lists_of_names_or_works Jytdog (talk) 09:41, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Let's look at the names: which is the FIRST one you think fails verification? Rjensen (talk) 09:52, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Every.  One.  Of. Them.  VERIFY isn't optional.   Look we are deadlocked; per WP:DR it is time to seek dispute resolution, which I have done.  Let's see what folks say at WT:V. Jytdog (talk) 09:59, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: name the one you are sure about and we can talk about it. Rjensen (talk) 10:01, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: What you are saying makes no sense.  By the way, please see this dif which is what prompted me to remove this list finally, which is what I had been considering for a while now.  (and do as you suggested above, and actually go to that article) Jytdog (talk) 10:02, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: despite your claim about "every" name You did not look at the names-- try  Shimon Peres Rjensen (talk) 10:16, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  unsourced list 

message: An editor has just made a good faith revert of an edit of mine.  I think I understand his point completely, and it is not without merit.  But I failed to explain my point, which I wish to do here.
First of all, here is my edit: , in which I add the school's original name, in boldface.  This is then reverted, here , with the helpful edit summary, "The school has undergone numerous name changes. This specific one bears no significance in the beginning of the article.".  I appreciate the editor's explanation, and apologize for not providing one of my own when making the edit; I shall rectify that omission now.
I believe that the relevance of a name change, and the location within an article to the mention of such a change, is impacted by the number of potential readers will be confused by the absence of such a reference.  For example, the fact that West Florida Seminary is now known as Florida State University may not be critical to place in the lede section, because it hasn't been called by that former name for nearly 120 years; few curious readers will be searching for "West Florida Seminary".  But even so, it is not unusual for the original name to be included in the lede of a Wikipedia article.  This not only happens in the cases of recent changes (Missouri State University, West Texas A&M University, University of Illinois at Springfield, Truman State University, and many, many others), but also in the cases of some universities that changed their names over a century ago (Northern Illinois University) or even two centuries ago! (Rutgers University)  The institution at question here was founded only 98 years ago and changed its name to the current name only 20 years ago.  Confusion is highly likely for those, who like me, became familiar with The New School for Social Research many decades ago.
But there is one even more salient point to be made, the actual reason that I decided to add this.  The second paragraph reads as follows:the school has grown to house five divisions within the university. These include the Parsons School of Design, the Eugene Lang College of Liberal Arts, The New School for Social Research, the College of Performing Arts, and the Schools of Public Engagement.
Note that the third of these divisions is "The New School for Social Research".  Imagine the confusion of someone, like myself, who had heard of the "The New School for Social Research", had thought we understood what it was, only to arrive here to find that it is not an actual university at all, but only a division of a university.  This simply engenders confusion, requiring additional reading for things to become clear.  We do not wish to confuse readers, so a simple reference here to the founding name, the name which the school had for the first 80% of its existence (and note, the remaining 20% has been divided between two other names), will do much to alleviate confusion.
So I hope that clarifies why I made the edit I did, and why I now will restore it.  Of course, I'm open to other thoughts on the topic. Unschool 20:41, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, over six months ago, I provided the above detailed explanation for why I thought the old name needed boldfacing.  There was no response to my explanation, and the old name has sat with the boldfacing intact, since December '17.  No reply was ever provided.  Well, today, the same editor that removed the boldfacing six months ago has again removed it, without providing any counter explanation to my comments here.  I will assume good faith that the good editor never noticed my comments here (despite my directly mentioning them in my edit summary back in December).  But I am again going to place the boldface back in, and invite other, disinterested editors, to opine on this matter. Unschool 19:54, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Change in Boldface 

message: Presently, the New School article has nothing about the graduate student and student employee union (SENS-UAW) which is currently on strike and occupying the school cafeteria: . This information should be incorporated into the page, perhaps in the section 'Labor movement' Joeyvandernaald (talk) 17:29, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graduate Student Union and Cafeteria Occupation - 2018 

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