Talk:Irwin Shaw

message: Irwin Shaw was an amazing writer.  Unlike many other popular writers, he seemed to really have found his voice and wrote with an easy, matter-of-fact confidence.  Often, his main character was a middle-aged man who was slightly depressed (because he couldn’t connect with other people to his satisfaction) but he still perceived social situations clearly and would sometimes try and help people.  But there was so much more to it than that!
Can we include writing samples, similar to the small excerpt from “Main Currents of American Life,” but only longer?  For example, could we include a three-paragraph excerpt from RICH MAN, POOR MAN?  I think that would be well within fair use, the biggest standard of which is what percent of the whole you are reproducing.  We would only be reproducing a very small percentage of the whole.  Another thing going in our favor is that we would be doing it not for profit, but for scientific, artistic, or political purposes--in our case for artistic purposes.  If we could, I think it would add considerably to our article.
And if it comes up, I am in favor of longer wiki articles.  The intro can be short, but the article itself can run long, as long as it’s good!
And, I really like this part from our article:
“Although the adaptation was as faithful as could be expected of Hollywood in 1958, Shaw was not happy with it.”  
That is from someone who really knows their material and is confidently communicating with their readers.  Well done!   FriendlyRiverOtter 05:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the article could be somewhat extended, but its length should still be kept proportionate to the notability of the subject. Excerpts from his work would be more suited to an anthology than an encyclopedia. What you call ‘examples of what he was all about’ could be met by literary analysis, with cited references to comments by reviewers and editors, and deeper expounding of themes that characterise his work. Valetude (talk) 15:49, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Can we give longer examples of what he was all about?

message: Shaw decided up entering the regular army.
:Does this mean deciding in favour or deciding against? Valetude (talk) 12:38, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Decided up' means what? 

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message: Unable to be commissioned due to his age and 1-A draft status...
:What does this mean? Valetude (talk) 12:55, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age and draft status 

message: Rudolph, Tom and Gretchen, New York Times, W. G. Rogers, Oct. 4, 1970.
Meaning our lead paragraph "and Rich Man, Poor Man (1970), about the fate of two siblings after World War II," is just really wrong. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 18:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  "A further sequel, Beggar Man, Thief (1978) introduced the Jordache’s previously unmentioned sister, Gretchen."
 
And that might be the source of the confusion.  Well, our lead should primarily talk about the book.  And as someone who's read the book, I assure you Gretchen is very much present. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 18:59, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rich Man, Poor Man -- two brothers and a sister