Talk:2006 Qana airstrike/Archive 1

message: What we called this atrocity? Robin Hood 1212 13:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Who is a witness that saw it was an Air strike that caused a house to collapse?
:Are you kiddin'? --68.14.110.73 05:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air Strike 

message: In the Reaction section, it states that Condoleeza Rice said: "I think it is time to get to a ceasefire", and it gives footnote 26 (the Washington Post). But nowhere in the linked Post article does it have the specified quotation. What gives? Does anyone have a direct source for this quote or is it BS?
:Its spin, her statement that she postponed her trip to Lebanon is also spin.  The Lebanese PM told the nation earlier in the day that she shouldnt show her face in Lebanon unless she had a ceasefire to give him. 
"Rice said, “I called him and told him that I was not coming today because I felt very strongly that my work toard a ceasefire is really here, today.” Siniora, however, had made it clear in a televised address that her trip would have been pointless."   82.29.227.171 14:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Condoleeza Rice Quote 

message: "There are 50 more innocent dollars Rice can add to her already Iraqi-filled wallet" - source? Dysmorodrepanis 03:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I spent some time looking for it on news media pages with international reaction and couldn't find it. Remove? Utopianheaven 11:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iran Quote 

message: Is putting a reference in the title of Reactions right out?  I guess I haven't seen it come up before. --Adamrush 13:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it would not be proper.  Temporary fix in place.  --Keyne 15:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title reference 

message: I have tried downloading the video of the bombing from the link on this article and when trying to play it using MPlayer it froze and didn't allow me to play anymore videos (after restarting). I'm using the CentOS distribution of Linux and expierienced problems later on with Firefox after updating. When trying to access later on the site from which I downloaded the video () using Konqueror all my window borders disapeared. If anyone else is having problems with the video () I would suggest removing it from the article.
Jazzman 19:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Working ok for me 21:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, guess it's just me...--Jazzman 14:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  video link 

message: An article of this nature ought to try to list the names of the victims since they are what define the event. Is this possible? Robert Fisk has identified three of the children from the tags: "Mehdi Hashem, aged seven Qana", "Hussein al-Mohamed, aged 12 Qana", "Abbas al-Shalhoub, aged one Qana."  I have not been able to find any articles where others are named. 24.86.12.143 19:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Identity of Victims 

message: Dont think the timeline attributed to JPost article is right- they appear to have missed out a lot of detail in their reporting which Haaretz got from the press conference. Namely, the distances from the buildings, and the time between strikes. Residents say minutes, and two strikes, (did their timeline change?), IDF says hours between bombing1@midnight & bombing2 & a third bombing3.
"Israel Air Force, Brigadier General Amir Eshel. Speaking at a press conference at the Kirya military complex in Tel Aviv last night 30 July, Eshel said that of three Israeli air strikes on Qana early Sunday, only the first strike hit the building in which the civilians were staying. The other two hit areas at least 400 meters away. 
I can't say whether the house collapsed at 12 A.M. or at 8 A.M.," said Eshel. "According to foreign press reports, and this is one of the reports we are relying on, the house collapsed at 8 A.M. We do not have testimony regarding the time of the collapse. If the house collapsed at 12 A.M., it is difficult for me to believe that they waited eight hours to evacuate it." 
"In the second IAF strike on Qana, which took place at around 2:30 A.M. Sunday, IAF planes bombed two targets located about 500 meters from the building that collapsed, and in the third strike, at around 7:30 A.M., three targets were bombed 460 meters away from the building, Eshel said. He told reporters that an analysis of photographs of the strikes, taken by cameras installed in the warplanes, showed that the four bombs dropped during the second and third strikes hit the intended targets, and that an IAF plane sent on a photo sortie in the afternoon confirmed that the intended targets had been hit. "  82.29.227.171 21:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to IDF Timeline 

message: This is the chilean goverment reaction. if some one could translate and add it in the international reactios. Thank's. Rakela 22:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chile reaction 

message: BBC was reporting eariler that there is some evidence that Hizbollah may have collapsed the building.
:Do you have a link? --aishel 14:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hizballah attack? 

message: Where is the Picture of Victims ? Must be with prove that the bomb kill people.
And who is the pilot of IDF who shoot the bomb?
:You will not find much footage in North American media, evidently. For actual footage of the events, you'd have to see Al-Jazeera (now now, they are supplied by Reuters and AP, same as NBC, CNN, etc, and have as many live correspondents in northern Israel as they have in Lebanon) and/or Israel TV; even the Israelis are less censoring of info than the North American media is. You may see some footage in a video linked from this page, but nothing compared to the carnage I've been seeing on middle-eastern TV. A couple of quick points (and I have to say this because I'm really sickened): 1- There are no 'civilian-void' areas of the conflict area, it's a pretty crowded place and any open areas are still very close to houses and schools. Whether or not Hizbullah should be firing rockets is one thing, but there are no open areas that are wide enough to withstand a US-made missile without severely damaging civilian infrastructure in the vicinity, so let's not clutter up WP talk pages with 'deliberate hiding behind civilians' talk. 2- For those who really identify with Israel and love the country, it is my hope that such individuals would do all they can to help guarantee that such devastation will never happen again - for Israel's sake, instead of coming here to try and cover it up with conspiracy theories or whatnot.
:: You're right let's not clutter up talk pages. Starting with this one. Ranieldule 16:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the Picture of Victims 

message: I've just removed several pieces of unsourced speculation from the article. Could people please take care not to add such material - it's prohibited by our no original research policy. -- ChrisO 07:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No original research 

message: HRW report into it- testimony from 2 that got bombed taken by HRW also- worth beefing up the Residents timeline with perhaps 
Also probably worth quoting the report a little eg. 
"Human Rights Watch researchers who visited Qana on July 31, the day after the attack, did not find any destroyed military equipment in or near the home. Similarly, none of the dozens of international journalists, rescue workers and international observers who visited Qana on July 30 and 31 reported seeing any evidence of Hezbollah military presence in or around the home. Rescue workers recovered no bodies of apparent Hezbollah fighters from inside or near the building." 
And there is a list of names of the dead- can some of the conspiracy theorists start tracking down if they were residents of Qana or some other town please? Thank you. 82.29.227.171 21:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casualty/fatality figures need updating