Talk:Northern Italy

message: why write something about Lega Nord? I think we don't write about politics in this article, that is about Geography.
Northern Italy is a historical and cultural unit due to the influences of the Lombards, the unique position of the city states in the Middle Ages, the differences in cuisine and the higher industrialization. Politics is intertwined with this historical and cultural difference.  I'm not supporting Lega Nord, the historical and cultural difference is nowhere near enough to call N. Italy a different nation or ethnicity, but there is a difference, just as there is a difference between New England and the South in the US
:These issues should be discussed in this article.
::They could be. But the Lombards controlled much more of the peninsula than just the northern part. And it is a great mistake to confuse the Lombards with the Lombard League: the latter only formed part of what we define as northern Italy. Monferrato, for instance, was nearly always on the side of the Holy Roman Empire.Ian Spackman (talk) 10:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lega Nord

message: What is meant by "without any administrative worth"? Is there possibly a translation issue here?  (The copyediting of the History section would imply as much.) Does it mean that Northern Italy is not defined politically as a distinctive entity and there's no particular governmental body that administers the region? "Worth" is an odd word here.
Also, is Northern Italy as defined here geographically equivalent to what the Romans called  Transpadane Gaul? Wikipedia treats Cisalpine Gaul and Transpadane as if they're identical, and I'm unclear about whether that's so. Cynwolfe (talk) 19:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well Northern Italy certainly isn’t limited to Transpadane Gaul, as that would cut out everywhere to the south of the Po. As to ‘administrative worth’, yes I imagine what the editor meant was what you guessed. But it’s very odd English. Ian Spackman (talk) 13:05, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking back, my point should've been that Cisalpine Gaul is not (as seems to be implied elsewhere on Wikipedia) identical with Transpadane Gaul, for just the reason you state: it excludes what the Romans called Cispadane Gaul. But I'm still unclear about how closely "northern Italy" is geographically coincident with the ancient Cisalpina. Apparently there is such universal pleasure at the phrase "without any administrative worth" that nobody's editing it. Cynwolfe (talk) 18:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  without any administrative worth? 

message: This article seems to say that the Etruscans were Germanic (if "etrurian people" is supposed to mean Etruscans). This is not a linguistically tenable argument, to put it mildly. Although many aspects of the Etruscan language remain mysterious, it was definitely not Germanic, or Celtic for that matter. The interactions between the Celts and the Etruscans in Northern Italy prior to Roman hegemony is an extremely interesting topic, however. Cynwolfe (talk) 19:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see someone is expanding on this. Here's what isn't clear from the article: this so-called 'German' DNA in Etruria — in the present-day population (when it could have been introduced in various historical periods) or in antiquity before Roman hegemony in the peninsula? And if the Etruscans were Germanic, why didn't they speak an Indo-European language? Also, in the history section, there is a huge chronological gap between these supposed origins and the 2nd century A.D. Frankly, articles often start to devolve in unproductive ways when "blood" origins (in the guise of DNA) and ur-linguistics displace cultural documentation and geographical definition. Cynwolfe (talk) 12:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yes indeed! Not to mention the fact that the Etruscans were more a feature of what we, and istat, call Central Italy. Ian Spackman (talk) 12:57, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etruscans = Germans?! 

message: :Setting aside the facts that it is highly biased, semi-literate and virtually unsourced, I think the following essay has no place in the article: it is not focussed on Northern Italy as we (following Istat) define it. I have therefore removed it and request that its author discuss here before adding it again. Ian Spackman (talk) 15:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: History

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