Talk:B&Q

message: :The company has launched a new strategy under the title of 4-3-3.
This is meaningless without some explanation of what "4-3-3" actually refers to. Loganberry (Talk) 00:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  4-3-3? 

message: Is this really of interest? Even if it is this statement has been show-horned in. Perhaps putting this line into a new section such as corperate responisbilty would be better.
:I think it is only of interest here if it can be demonstrated that it is notably generous compared to other large retailers (esp competitors like Homebase).  I was a B&Q employee about 10 years ago and got this discount, together with 10% off at other Kingfisher outlets (a lot more places then than now) but I think employees of the other stores only got 10% off at all stores, including their own. Halsteadk 13:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Employees of B&Q have enjoyed a 20% discount on all products 

message: This statement is unfounded and pure speculation: "The Future... frequent rumours... ... Visitors to both Home Depot and B&Q stores will notice how remarkably similar stores in the two chains are to each other, both using an orange colour scheme and having a similar style layout."
Agreed. I've added the 'unreferenced' tag to the section but tbh I think it's highly unlikely that any reliable sources can be found for these statements. I would suggest the section be deleted.  --Careless hx 04:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Future" is a meaningless, unfounded statement 

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message: This has to go, you'd be hard pushed to find any large company (or smaller for that matter) that doesn't have some annoyed customers capable of using the internet. The information is unencyclopedic and the sources are not sufficient.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.118.212 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 19 November 2007
:I agree, there is no way to tell overall customer satisfaction from these and I would say go ahead, remove it. Halsteadk (talk) 14:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  - the section even stated that it was anecdotal - not at all encyclopedic... TheIslander 15:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It would seem that this has been un-done and seems to be the target of edit wars. I do concur that the "Criticism" section doesn't appear encyclopedic. If anything it seems rather over-zealous to cite one incident of racism as "B&Q was successfully prosecuted and found guilty of racial discrimination" AndyLandy (talk) 18:41, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism Section

message: This article needs a serious amount of work on its references - none of which are properly formatted using the cite web template. --TimTay (talk) 10:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: When I googled "martini standard" and B&Q, the only references it showed was the B&Q Wikpedia entry and its derivatives - does this suggest that somebody posted something untruthful? Considering that the entire article lacks references in general. 141.20.210.41 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 06:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Martini Standard

message: I've deleted a paragraph from the B.26Q_today section because it is a news item that is now out of date. It also stated more than its reference. For the record, the paragraph read as follows
B&Q has recently seen a return to healthy figures following radical changes implemented by former CEO Ian Cheshire, including store closures, redundancies at the company's head office and store revamps. Ian has now moved up to the position of CEO of the Kingfisher Group. (Referencing: )
Stfg (talk) 09:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed a link to a different person --Stfg (talk) 15:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted 2007 news item 

message: Remind me, what's the template to say this isn't NPOV and reads like an ad?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.9.150 (talk) 21:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: . You don't need it on this article though. raseaCtalk to me 21:46, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ad not an article 

message: The store is located in Bridge of Don, Aberdeen. The river Dee is on the south, on the other side of the city.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.175.166.75 (talk) 20:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aberdeen Picture 

message: User K.slauter seems intent upon including coverage of a recent court case in the article as per the current edit (which I am leaving for now to avoid an edit war). I feel that this is not noteworthy and as such does not need to be included in the article. Further, the user has not integrated the matter into the article properly. Any comments? raseaCtalk to me 20:55, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've left this message and also 2 on the user's talk but had no response in what I consider a reasonable amount of time so have reverted the edit again. Of course, I'm happy to discuss here. raseaCtalk to me 20:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Were you able to take a look at WP:Undue weight (sources)?  I have tried to find other sources that reference this event, but the only one I could find was the one you provided.  Can you provide any other sources that detail this? This would help show that it is not undue weight, but with only one minor source mentioning this, it does seem to fall squarely under WP:Undue weight (sources). - SudoGhost (talk) 01:03, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I came over here from WP:BLPN and as an uninvolved editor, note that the item seems reliably sourced to a regional newspaper and reports some structural criticism of the company as follows: "But the tribunal noted 'with surprise that an employer the size of B&Q did not appoint an investigating manager with no prior knowledge of either of the protagonists in this saga'." It therefore seems appropriate to include a careful sentence about the finding in the article, which would raise neither neutrality or weight issues. WP:Undue weight (sources) is not relevant here, as the regional paper in question does not constitute a fringe or minority "viewpoint".  We have no restriction on using local papers as sources for fact assertions so long as they have a reputation for careful editing and fact checking. Jonathanwallace (talk) 17:27, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I came here from Editor Assistance, and the reason I mentioned WP:Undue weight (sources) was not because the paper was not reputable, but because that was the only mention of it I could find online.  After attempting to find another mention of this online (granted, I live outside Atlanta, Georgia and had never even heard of B&Q, so all I really did was type in 'B&Q race', 'B&Q lawsuit' and so on), I was unable to do so.  The other reason I removed it was because it's written like a news headline, not part of an encyclopedia article. - SudoGhost (talk) 19:30, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sudo--I think user Kslauter's latest edit was basically fine with minor tweaking, and should not have been reverted. I propose to put it back in tomorrow unless you object. In that case we might go back to WP:EAR, as I believe the source is reliable and don't think one sentence in the article creates any WP:WEIGHT issues. Jonathanwallace (talk) 22:09, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fair, but it needs some clarifying.  For example, I don't know what Kingfisher is.  Is that the name of a store?  That word does not show up anywhere in the news article. - SudoGhost (talk) 03:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction, reading the article I see that B&Q is owned by Kingfisher. - SudoGhost (talk) 03:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I have put it into its own paragraph as it is a very different subject to the preceding material. I have also corrected the placement of the ref tag. Halsteadk (talk) 18:07, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

text: This must be a recent development, as when I worked there until 2001, there was nothing like that put forward as company policy. Given that it potentially breaches the race relations act, I find it unlikely that any UK based company would have such a policy. Any evidence for such claims? 2.125.77.121 (talk) 21:26, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent race claim 

message: The article contains this sentence, "In 2004, a workforce survey found that racism was rife at B&Q." The source used to substantiate this claim does not include the word "rife", which appears to me to be a value judgement and to beg questions. I added the specific detail the source contains - that a third of employees had experienced racism at work - but this edit has been undone twice by user K.slauter without an edit summary or explanation. 
Making an unsubstantiated claim about a company has serious legal implications and is misleading to readers. Exok (talk) 17:27, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: About your Third Opinion request: The guidelines of the Third Opinion project say that, "Before making a request here, be sure that the issue has been thoroughly discussed on the article talk page. 3O is only for assistance in resolving disagreements that have come to a standstill. If no agreement can be reached on the talk page and only two editors are involved, follow the directions below to list the dispute." As there has been no discussion here, your request has been removed. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:09, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

text: "In 2004, a workforce survey by B&Q found that racism had been experienced in their everyday lives and gaining employment by half their staff." THIS SENTENCE MAKES NO SENSE --93.97.60.172 (talk) 23:16, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Accusations of racism

message: B&Q carried out that study and "rife" means: widespread, abundant or numerous.
"The survey found that more than a third of employees from ethnic backgrounds experience discrimination in their everyday lives."
I guess when B&Q said "rife" they were referring to the 33 + %
"Half of respondents had personally encountered barriers to employment due to their ethnic background."
It would appear as if B&Q wish to kill all links that show them for what they are, A Racist Employer.
And B&Q's record on safety of its staff and customers is a disgrace. 
I'm sorry that anyone is offended by the links I posted, until wiki tells me I cant continue to post I will carry on.
§  — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.slauter (talk • contribs) 21:09, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The given reference just states it is a survey of B&Q employees. Their "everyday lives" may just as easily refer to their lives in general, and those reporting barriers to employment were referring to being employed elsewhere, hence they are employed by B&Q. It could easily be read that B&Q is more inclusive than other potential employers, hence its "ethnically diverse workforce" (to quote the reference), and hence why the staff of this company were chosen to be surveyed on these issues. If you're going to libel B&Q, you need to find a better reference. I am entirely neutral on this and whatever is the published truth is what must go in - but you have not provided published evidence of the claim you are trying to make. Halsteadk (talk) 13:32, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: K.slauter your POV-pushing on this article is getting more than a little tedious. You are giving the clear impression of being on a campaign and having a grudge against this company, and your lack of editing on any other topics merely reinforces this. You show no desire to wish to improve and develop this article, merely to use one section of it as a soapbox with which to attack B&Q. Please start respecting the clear consensus on this Talk page.Rangoon11 (talk) 19:43, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I entirely agree with Rangoon11's post. Given that K.slauter has edited the article since my post above, and he/she has chosen not to respond to my concerns, I have removed the line that is not supported by the given ref. There is still a line which mentions the prosecution in 2011, which is backed up and sufficient. No evidence has been given that there is a substantial problem over and above the pockets of localised problems that would exist in any large company. K.slauter, we are not "offended" by your links as that would imply non-neutrality on our part - it is just you that is non-neutral. Halsteadk (talk) 13:06, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Accusations of racism

message: Got input off page, and then removed the accidents section.  This is simply WP:UNDUE for an article of this size.  Per WP:BRD, please raise the issue here instead of adding them back now they have been reverted, etc. etc.  I would also note (Malleus did, actually) that the numbers in the info box don't match the numbers in the prose, and need to be normalized.  If I have time, I will check out the latest sources, but if someone is more familiar, please update them.  Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 15:55, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has suffered from some serious and very persistent POV pushing in the past, from one editor in particular seeking to make it an attack piece.Rangoon11 (talk) 20:35, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That would explain it. Malleus Fatuorum 20:57, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there are more eyes on it now, which should help. Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 00:59, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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message: B&Q is no longer in China and Taiwan, so it would make sense for those references to be updated or removed.
Kingfisher don't report separate financial figures for B&Q - the ones up there aren't correct.
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