Talk:Hierarchy of genres

message: It wasn't the Academie_Francaise who made the rules with regard to the visual arts, it was the Académie_de_peinture_et_de_sculpture, you tards! Sounds like the person who wrote this took a night class in art history and is now suddenly an expert...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.222.167.121 (talk) 12:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong academy.... 

message: Hallo Johnbod, sorry for my mistake. Here are a few interesting lines, I just added at Gerard de Lairesse: 
In the main reception room there should be tapestries or paintings on the wall with life size figures ... and in the kitchen, images of kitchen equipment and the spoils of the hunt, the picture of some maid, servant, dog or cat. De Lairesse, for whom pictorial illusionism was of utmost importance, also wrote about the place of pictures on walls. For example, urged that landscapes (and indeed all paintings) should be hung at a height where their horizons were even with eye level. De Lairesse urgend that portraits that are hung high, should have a low viewpoint. Gerard de Lairesse was cognisant of the problems posed by viewing paintings from a distance and drew connection between the hanging position and the scale and style of individueal paintings. He noted ... that a piece ten feet large, with life-size figures, should be viewed at ten feet distance, and that a smaller one five feet hight, whith life-size, half-length figures, must have five feet distance.In: Loughman, J. & J.M. Montias (2000) Public and Private Spaces. Works of Art in Seventeenth-Century Dutch Houses, p. 34, 41, 106, 117-118. Taksen (talk) 11:13, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem - I should have mentioned Lairesse.  I can't read the German properly I'm afraid (I can get the Lessing in English of course). I wonder how commonly followed Lairesse's prescriptions were - large paintings in the main reception room certainly, but I doubt Vermeer's milkmaid ever spent time in a kitchen somehow.  Large pictures are often shown in paintings, but small ones relatively less often.  One imagines they were in cabinet (room)s and bedrooms.  Johnbod (talk) 12:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No - I'm just saying I think that is where small paintings were most often placed. Johnbod (talk) 12:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gerard de Lairesse

message: :No problem - I should have mentioned Lairesse.  I can't read the German properly I'm afraid (I can get the Lessing in English of course). I wonder how commonly followed Lairesse's prescriptions were - large paintings in the main reception room certainly, but I doubt Vermeer's milkmaid ever spent time in a kitchen somehow.  Large pictures are often shown in paintings, but small ones relatively less often.  One imagines they were in cabinet (room)s and bedrooms.  Johnbod (talk) 12:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No - I'm just saying I think that is where small paintings were most often placed. Johnbod (talk) 12:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: The intro to this article talks about a hierarchy of genres in the abstract sense, including in literature and music. The rest of the article, however, is devoted to the historical hierarchy of genres in Western figurative art. I think these are separate enough concepts that the article ought to be split, but I'd appreciate some advice from art historians or other experts as to what the titles should be. Sdkb (talk) 04:12, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This would basically involve copying the first para, and moving the 2nd & 3rd, to another article. If we had a lot more (which I'm sure could be written) on the concept in literature & music, there would be a benefit, but with the existing text it seems better to keep it all together. See Wikipedia:Splitting.  Johnbod (talk) 05:05, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to split article