Talk:Pet Shop Boys discography

message: Does a distinction need to be made between the US dance airplay chart and the US dance club play chart? Bondegezou 16:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I believe this has been added before and removed under the claim its not a PSB song despite their production and writing involvement. However, the cover shown on the song's page says "Robbie Williams with Pet Shop Boys" — and I heard Terry Wogan give it the dual credit after playing it on BBC Radio 2 the other day, so presumably that's how it's being officially released. Shouldn't it, therefore, in fact count as a PSB single release also? Angmering 15:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds fair to me.  Actually I think I was the one who removed it before.  If the single cover has it listed with PSB as performer then it should be re-added. - eo 16:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[She's Madonna]]

message: Yes a distinction must be made between the three different Dance Charts at Billboard
Hot Dance Club Play: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=Hot+Dance+Club+Play
Hot Dance Airplay: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=Hot+Dance+Airplay
Hot Dance Single Sales:
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=Hot+Dance+Singles+Sales
The distinction between Club Play & Airplay is simply Club Play is for those songs getting the most turns at clubs while The Airplay chart is for those songs getting the most turns at radio stations with dance formats. I am sure you could guess that on your  own, but I thought I would explain it anyway.MoovieStarz 04:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Clicking the wikilink at the top of the column leads to the U.S. Club Play article. - eo 12:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three Different US Dance Charts for Singles... 

message: Is there a valid reason that these are been removed? feydey 11:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair use doesn't cover their use in this sort of article; they're copyright-violating here. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 17:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could You please link to the relevant policy page that forbids fair use images in discographies. Thanks, feydey 21:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album cover images 

message: I see no source for this as a single release - there is nothing on the PSB website.  I've left it for now, but if no source surfaces, I'm gonna delete. - eo 17:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "The Sodom and Gomorrah Show"

message: Disco 4 has been recently announced on the PSB OS: http://www.petshopboys.co.uk/browser.aspx. so for the sake of god, don't revert to an older version of the page.
However, Integral will not be released as a single, although a promo set will be, so I'm doubtful if to add it to the singles list.
Cristóbal 21:39, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disco 4 and Integral single 

message: It is mentioned on the Fundamental page, but if I'm mistaken again, feel free to revert.
I'm not sure which singles types can go there but I thought it was good for the list.
Cristóbal 06:14, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psychological white label single 

message: Might it be an idea to split the "albums" table into studio albums, compilation albums, disco albums, live albums, soundtrack and score albums, limited edition and further listening albums or something of that sort?  It would seem to make sense, and fits in with the specified discography style template.
I'd be happy to do it, if it needs doing. Samballance (talk) 09:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories?

message: I'd like to offer some help with the singles discography.  There's quite a lot missing here, for example the single, One MOre Chance, that came out in Europe before West End Girls was released.  Also, how about listing all the promo 12"s, stuff like the US promo only Arthur Baker remixes of Suburbia...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peedon (talk • contribs) 10:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to let people know "Love Etc" is the Number One song in Iceland. (MoovieStarz (talk) 03:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles discography 

message: The Mail published this promo cd by Pet Shop Boys. Should it be added to the discography?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frcabon (talk • contribs) 12:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: definitely not. it was a free gift given away with the newspaper. Mister sparky (talk) 22:28, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pet Shop Boys Story 25 years of hits 

message: The 1989 Japanese mini compilation album "In Depth" is missing. Any particular reason? danno 20:02, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Can I take the lack of responses as a tacit "go ahead and add it"? danno 21:22, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: been added :) Mister sparky (talk) 21:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey you! That was mine! At least let me do the album article danno 22:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry, didnt realise it was your own personal thing to add lol. but i have no interest in album articles. Mister sparky (talk) 22:26, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: In depth

message: How could it been charted? It was not a real single, that people could buy in shops! so it clould NOT enter the single charts!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keine melodien (talk • contribs) 00:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: panimaro was officially released in italy in 1986 Mister sparky (talk) 21:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pet Shop Boys Paninaro 1986 release 

message: I've removed this.... for now.  I know a lot of discog pages have a videos section, which is fine, but the way it is right now is just a straight-up numbered list of song titles which essentially repeat all the titles above it in the table.  If additional information was included, such as the video directors, I think the section would serve a much better purpose.  Sure they can be easily found - perhaps in the DVD liner notes for the Pop Art collection? - eo (talk) 01:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: adding the directors was what i was doing this evening actually lol Mister sparky (talk) 01:27, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL okay, I'll shut up then  :-)  - eo (talk) 01:27, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: haha i'll forgive ya :p and the column widths were the same for consistency cuz thats what they tell u to do in FL discussions. but that doesnt matter atm. Mister sparky (talk) 01:31, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Really?  Ugh, I always remove them cuz I the way I have my screen settings its large and when columns are restricted by width it all gets crammed.  I always thought that not having a width length would just allow the table(s) to adhere to however your browser size was configured?  Guess not.  Didn't realize there was even a consensus on that topic. - eo (talk) 01:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: all videos and director info added now from the 3 video compilation vhs/dvd's. dont think i've missed any... Mister sparky (talk) 22:27, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Music videos section

message: I see this is now missing.  I feel this should be re-added, as it was a double-A side in the States with Sé a Vida é  (pic is of the vinyl but I also have this release on CD single, Atlantic 2-85430) and it also topped the U.S. dance chart.  Was there a reason for its removal? - eo (talk) 01:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: was removed by error when re-formatting the double a-sides. added back now Mister sparky (talk) 01:27, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you sir! - eo (talk) 01:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "To Step Aside"

message: I'm inclined to agree that this is clearer (even though it's removed pretty much all of my contributions - more on that in a moment!) I'd say a couple of things though:
- 'Formats' under 'Albums' - presumably this is standard? It seems a bit odd, as there are so many formats missing (i.e. PopArt vinyl; Discography MiniDisc; etc)
- Disco 4 charted on the UK Compilations chart, as did Back to Mine - the positions used to be on the page
- Where has Back to Mine gone, by the way? If Disco 4 is there, so should that be, surely?
- Similarly should Essentials be listed in the compilations?
- Why is Christmas listed both under 'Extended Plays' and 'Singles'?
- "Where the Streets Have No Name (I Can't Take My Eyes Off of You)" - no 'of' - I should edit that myself actually
- I still don't think West End Girls actually got to #121, by the way - does anyone have any evidence of this?
- Title Case ("I Don't Know What You Want But I Can't Give It Any More") or PSB title style ("I wouldn't normally do this kind of thing")? It's inconsistent
- '—' or '-' for flops? Likewise
- 'Album' column under 'Singles' seems inconsistent too - surely it shouldn't suggest that Always on my mind was released as a single from Introspective? Similarly Ab Fab / Disco 2; and why is Christmas down as a single from itself? (It charted as 'Christmas' in the UK)
- Finally, were the footnotes about the second chart placings for I Wouldn't Normally Do...; Paninaro 95; and Before too confusing? They were legitimate (separate) chart hits after all...
- No mention of Relentless seems a bit of a shame - can it not be squeezed in there somehow?
I'm not going to make these edits myself right now as I can see some of them need discussion... Oh, and UK Top 200 positions since 1994 can be sourced from zobbel.de if a source is required. Rolypole (talk) 04:23, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: okay i'll answer a few now:
*not all formats are listed bcos it takes up far too much space and makes the table looked stretched downwards
*the uk compilation chart is not shown on the page, just the main album chart. if a position is put by disco 4 it would look as though it charted on the main album chart, which it didnt. but the comp chart position could me mentioned in a footnote?
*back to mine isnt a compilation of pet shop boys songs, thats why i removed it. disco 4 follows in the "disco" series and does include psb songs.
*essentials i always thought was just a bootleg of remixes? which shouldnt be included.
*good point about the ep! fixed that.
*psb capitalisation is inconsistent. its how the band write their song titles. there's a discussion on the main psb page.
*'—' or '-' means the table is in the middles of sorting and checking all the positions. the colums with the bigger '—' means they have been checked and verified and are all correct. the other ones still need checking.
*always on my mind IS on introspective, not actually. i have both albums myself. similarly, ab fab IS on disco 2.
*the 2nd chart placings were removed because they were the same songs, just under different formats.
*relentless i thought was just a bonus disc of very?
hopefully thats answered your questions? :) Mister sparky (talk) 13:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A few additional notes:  Essential is not a bootleg, but a limited edition compilation released bu EMI/Capitol (72434-93688-2).  A couple of the tracks included were remixed, but not all of them.  Also, Relentless is another limited edition release - available for a short time bundled with Very.  As far as I know it was never made available (officially) on its own.  In the U.S. (and may for other territories?), "Always on my Mind" was bundled as a CD3 along with Actually, as the song became popular when that album was in stores.  By the time Introspective came out, it contained the "Always on My Mind/In My House" remix. - eo (talk) 15:34, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Good answers, sorry about my formatting by the way... A couple things I'd say in response. Firstly - I still think Back to Mine is as legitimate an entry as Disco 4; I'd like to hear some more opinions on that. Secondly - regarding title capitalisation - it's set out very clearly by Neil in a fairly recent issue of Literally (sorry, I don't have them to hand): the first letter is always capitalised; all others are lower case unless they are proper names (the exception to this may be cover versions) - so it's "West End girls", "New York City boy" and "I don't know what you want but I etc...". Hope this helps! Thanks also to Ericorbit for helping to clarify! Rolypole (talk) 03:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: I have recently tried to edit the Music video section, changing the year of the West End girls video from 1984 to 1985, but it is always changed back to 1984 again. I would here like to clarify why I want this edit to be made. The original version of West End girls was produced by Bobby Orlando and released in 1984. As far as I know no music video was filmed for that version. West End girls was re-recorded in 1985, produced by Stephen Hague. For that version a music video was filmed, directed by Eric Watson and Andy Morahan (Neil and Chris walking in London). It was released after the first version of Opportunities. This information (directors, producer and year) can be found in the booklet for the PopArt DVD. 
So, it is true that West End girls was first released in 1984 but, since the video is for a version of the song released in 1985, my opinion is that 1985 should be the year given in the Music video section. Feel free to comment if you agree or disagree with my point of view. Matbill (talk) 19:07, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  West End girls video 

message: I Like It Here, Wherever It Is, the Japanese video album released on VHS and 8" LaserDisc (Studio: Picture Music Intl/Toshiba EMI; quoted release dates vary; content is very similar to Showbusiness) was removed again after I added an entry for this, because reportedly the sources I used (Discogs and LDDB) are considered unreliable. If that's the case, what source can we find that is reliable enough? The Seventh Taylor (talk) 02:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  I Like It Here, Wherever It Is 

message: Shouldn't the Further Listening albums be included? feydey (talk) 10:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Listening? 

message: Shouldn't there for pages made for these singles? MOTF was released last December so should be a page up by now. As for Axis that was released a few months ago so there should be enough info to make a page. Lastly Vocal is about to be released formally as a single so  the page can be made in the next few weeks.  PSBmad 11:18, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memory of the future, Axis and Vocal 

message: I uploaded artwork for these songs but they appear to have taken down. Anyone know why? I've been looking those the talk pages for Pet Shop Boys Discography but found nothing. Would be helpful to know why the artwork was removed. PSBmad 16:26, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artwork for Axis and Vocal 

message: The album "Relentless" was forgotten! It was released at the same time as CD2 of "Very" and there are some rare Versions of "Relentless" without "Very". It had 6 Tracks:
1	My Head Is Spinning	
2       Forever In Love	
3	KDX 125	
4	We Came From Outer Space	
5	The Man Who Has Everything	
6	One Thing Leads To Another  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klodnyckyj (talk • contribs) 21:58, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very/Relentless 

message: There are some very successful, notable, production credits for PSB, such as Dusty Springfield, Boy George and Liza Minnelli. Similarly, there's quite a list of remixes out there, not all of which are included on Disco 4, such as their remixes for The Bloodhound Gang and Blur ("Boys & Girls" has two PSB remixes, one of which they covered live). They have also written tracks for others, such as the acts they have produced but also for Girls Aloud, Morton Harket, Tina Turner, Alcazar and Eighth Wonder.
Further, there are PSB appearances as notable as those listed in Section 2.5 but where PSB are not featured as such, for example, on the debut Electronic album or on Twentieth-Century Blues: The Songs of Noël Coward. 
Finally, there are releases where they have independently contributed to other works, such as Tennant singing with DJ Fresh, Suede and Superchumbo and Lowe producing music for Ian Wright's single "Do The Right Thing". These shouldn't be in separate discographies, do they have room on this page?
Thoughts please.
Dennisthemonkeychild (talk) 15:33, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Production, writing, and remix credits and other appearances

message: please  remove   # 121  of LOVE ETC 
IT NEVER charted on the bubbling under charts at #21
i mean its ridiculous to speak and talk about the bubbling under hot 100 charts, i mean  those measure the places 1-25 below the hot 100
but their last singles on the main hot 100  they had by 1991 !!!!!!!!!   EXACTLY 25 years ago 
their last bubbling under hot 100 hit they had  1997  with somewhere reaching  #125 on that charts 
sadly 20 years ago
therefore   LOVE ETC never reached # 121 on the us  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.0.137.8 (talk) 22:02, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  LOVE ETC. never entered the BUBBLING UNDER HOT 100  

message: I realize that it has been many years since PSB have charted on the Hot 100 but it's inconsistent to replace the Hot 100 column with Dance Club Songs only in the "2010s" box.  I think we should have one or the other all the way through, or make an exception to have 11 columns total and have both the US pop and dance charts.  Otherwise we're getting an incomplete picture (they have quite an extensice US dance chart history).  Thoughts? - eo (talk) 14:15, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Singles/US chart positions

message: These three aren't really soundtracks as such, are they?  They are just recordings of the music for a musical, a silent film, and a ballet respectively.  A "soundtrack" suggests something more like the music taken from a film... If that makes sense?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.53.123 (talk) 10:11, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Soundtrack Albums

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message: I noticed a couple of discrepencies in the singles section. Firstly, West End Girls (Remix) is listed as a 1986 release, but the page for that song states a release date of 28 October 1985. Another discrepency is that Always on My Mind is listed as a single from Actually (1987). It seems to me to be a non-album single. Same with "Where the Streets Have No Name", actually. 
Bit leary to edit this stuff myself... maybe there's something I'm missing (not a Pet Shop Boys expert), plus don't want to mess with tables lol. RestaurantMarsupial (talk) 16:41, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "West End Girls" release year?