Talk:Xueta/Archive 2

message: I see that Yupik suggests merging this into Xueta. Obviously that is the eventual intent - see Talk:Xueta#Start over; if someone wants to actually merge sections as they are translated, it's fine with me, but my intent was to complete the translation (on which help is very welcome) and then merge.
Also, Yupik, I'm not sure that putting this in categories while the translation is still in progress is a great idea, though I won't fight over it. - Jmabel | Talk 06:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I do apologize! I'll delete the cats and the merges today and I'll try and help with the translation, although religion is definitely one of those fields that is not my speciality. -Yupik 09:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge?? 

message: I know the article is in progress, so don't bother replying to this now, but, just for when the moment arrives, I believe the article is overstating the importance of the Xueta group nowadays. The fact that there are some associations doesn't mean that they are widely popular amongst those Xueta descendents who, mostly, don't feel any particular emotion related to their ancestry, neither positive nor negative. These associations gather those who are particularly interested in history (not many, unfortunatelly), for the most part, people nowadays couldn't care less about Xueta ancestry or gentile one.
If we agreed with this, then the population 18,000 figure should be nuanced as "people with Xueta ancestry nowadays" or, even better, provide an approximate figure of the real Xuetes back in the day, along with the estimated year for that guessing. Otherwise it misleads to think that there are 18,000 people who identify themselves as Xuetas, which is not true, not even in a secondary or tertiary level of self-identification. Mountolive 05:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still to be reviewed later, when translation has been accomplished: I added Hebrew in the template as a language spoken by the Xuetes. It goes without saying that I am referring to the historical Xuetes, none of the descendants nowadays speak that language. In other words: I regard the template as speaking of the historic Xuetes but, as per above, I am not sure anymore whether the article is taking for granted that this group exists as such today, which it doesn't, that would be a serious flaw. Mountolive | Talk 17:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Identity today 

message: I've done my best to integrate what I could from the discussion above. A few issues remain open; I think it's simplest to start a new section, even though some of these are discussed above.
* We still need to work out just what relaxat means. Apparently, it always means "turned over to civil authorities", but it only sometimes means "to be killed". Any help sorting this out will be appreciated. 
* We still have to work out what we want to do with malmesclat. I understand the compunctions about something as weak as "made an inappropriate marriage", but "married outside the faith" seems wrong, too, because the Xuetes were, nominally at least, Catholics.
**What about "married a non-Xueta"? -Yupik 20:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another round

message: I think we should move the current article to Xueta/old and add a  on it, and move this to Xueta and add a . I'll cross-list this proposal at Talk:Xueta, but suggest that the discussion happen here, since this is obviously more active at the moment. - Jmabel | Talk 05:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. And we may want to do a speedy merge, since this article seems quite better than the old one. Mountolive | Talk 19:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: And once we deal with those last few details

message: Some external links that deal with this subject (even though I'm sure you've all seen these already):
*Chuetas
*Shavei article on Chuetas
*JCPA article on Chuetas
Some of the terminology became clearer when I read those articles, but the "relax" issue is still open. -Yupik 20:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links