Talk:Georgy Malenkov

message: It would be useful to give the pronunciation, with the accent on the first syllable. I remember Russians who had seen his name in print just after Stalin's death trying to hear it on the radio so as to get the right stress. They knew it would be either the first or last syllble, but not which. Of course, the English put it on the second, impossible, syllable! Seadowns (talk) 13:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: As this stands, this is awfully close to http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/georgy_malenkov.php3, to the point of raising some questions about copyright issues. Joe Mabel 2 Nov 2003
Secretlondon's change 18:58, 7 Nov 2003 replaces a link to a List of Secretaries-General of the Russian Communist Party (this may well be mis-named: I believe that should be "...Communist Party of the Soviet Union" rather than "Russian Communist Party") with a link to a List of leaders of the Soviet Union that doesn't include Malenkov! Since this is an article abou Malenkov, that seems an odd choice. It looks to me like that also means those two lists deserve reconciliation. Since I'm not expert on the 1950s Soviet Union, just middling knowledgeable, I leave it to someone else to follow up and sort this all out. Joe Mabel 8 Nov 2003
Why was the information on place of birth and death removed? -- Jmabel 07:02, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Cantus was on a campaign of changing the standardized styles used for intro paragraphs. Locations of birth and death don't belong there. I just added the place of birth in the second paragraph. Everyking 16:50, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Older

message: Malenkov became Chairman of the Council of Ministers (or Premier) as well as First Secretary of the party
I think this is false. Malenkov was since 1952 and remained until February 14, 1953 one of the Secretaries of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. There was no position of the First Secretary immediately after Sralin's death. Andres 12:26, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: First Secretary?

message: In categories  Leaders of the Soviet Union|, 	Soviet politicians, and Communists. Surely there should be a hierarchical relationship among these categories and only :Category:Leaders of the Soviet Union should be need on the article... -- Jmabel | Talk 05:32, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
It was my understanding that Malenkov was prevented from succeeding Stalin because he was a Cossack. Does anyone know anything about this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.31.226 (talk) 15:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant categories 

message: "Georgy Maximilianovich Malenkov (Russian: Гео́ргий Максимилиа́нович Маленко́в, Georgij Maksimilianovič Malenkov; January 8, 1902– January 14, 1988) was a Soviet politician of Macedonian descent". The "macedonian descent" thing is a very unstable concept, as there was no such nation at the time he was born, neither at the time HIS parrents lived or were born. Even more, the source says this: 
* "Не все знают, что он по национальности македонец, что по отношению к понятию болгарин означает то же, что белорус по отношению к русскому"
which roughly translates as 
* "Not everyone knows, that his nationality was macedonian, which for a bulgarian means quite the same as belarussian for a russian". 
Nobody says wether Russians consider Belarussians the same as themselves, or they consider them something different, or that Bulgarians consider Macedonians something different or quite the same. For now I'm removing it. -  Tourbillon A ? 21:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your argument doesn't justify removal. There is a source saying he was Macedonian, which is conflicting with your views. BalkanFevernot a fan? say so! 10:44, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Its not my views. It's a fact that there was no such nation or country by that time. It's like calling the varyags russians. Besides, the source is of low quality, considering the absurd articles next to the text. And I havent fount a relevant source (or any other source, actually, except macedonist forums and cheap wikipedia copies) for that saying anywhere - if you have such, please post it. Until then it will be removed as a nonsence. -  Tourbillon A ? 12:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

text: "a ethnic macedonian nation existing" - even this is dubious and scholars are not on the same opinion about it. Your example of Ireland is not correct, as Irish culture is very distinct, while every Balkan culture is to some degree similar with another. Bulgaria and Macedonia probably have more common ground in terms of culture and history than any other entities in the world. Please do not push your nonsence of who you know here, its not a forum. Even if there is some degree of truth he is coming from the region of Macedonia, this should be sourced. And as I already mentioned, macedonian nationalist forums do not count. A reliable, confirmable source is needed. -  Tourbillon A ? 20:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

text: A source must be confirmable. At this point there is no other serious source, stating that he's Macedonian. Not to mention that even this one only points out that Malenkov is Macedonian, not that he is an ethnic Macedonian. There's a substantial difference. -  Tourbillon A ? 18:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Descent 

message: Foreign language renderings are very seldom useful in English language encyclpedia atricles. It does not benefit English readers at all to know Cyrillic form of subject name, and official Wiki policy should provide only for useful content.
Foreign language specialists should focus on other internet sites.
--NCDane (talk) 17:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted Cyrillic Text 

message: could someone please upload a pic where we can actually see what he normally looked like?Tallicfan20 (talk) 06:33, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  a better picture 

message: Don't people think that this out of favor, in favor stuff is merky? It says Beria saw Zhdanov's allies executed. But Leningrad affair was organised by Abakumov (later executed for this), who replaced Beria's protege Merkulov in 1946 aparently due to Stalin's attempts to curb Beria's power... Do we know enough to say these things? - BorisG (talk) 10:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rise in the Politburo 

message: In 1946 Malenkov was named a candidate member of the Politburo. Although Malenkov was trailing behind his rivals Andrei Zhdanov and Lavrentiy Beria, he soon came back into Joseph Stalin's favour, especially after Zhdanov's strange death in 1948. That same year, Malenkov became a Secretary of the Central Committee. In the end of WWII and shortly after, Malenkov implemented Stalin's plan to destroy all political and cultural competition from Leningrad/St. Petersburg, the former capital of Russia, in order to concentrate all power in Moscow. Leningrad and its leaders earned immense respect and popular support due to winning the heroic Siege of Leningrad. Both Stalin and Malenkov expressed their hatred to anyone born and educated in Leningrad/St. Petersburg, so they organized and led the attack on Leningrad elite. Beria and Malenkov together with Abakumov organized massive execution of their rivals in Leningrad Affair where all leaders of Leningrad and Zhdanov's allies were killed, and thousands more were locked up in GULAG labour camps upon Stalin's approval. Malenkov personally ordered the destruction of the Museum of the Siege of Leningrad and declared the 900-day-long defense of Leningrad "a myth designed by traitors trying to diminish the greatness of comrade Stalin." Simultaneously, Malenkov replaced all communist party and administrative leadership in Leningrad by provincial communists loyal to Stalin. After that, in order to test Malenkov as a potential successor, the ageing Stalin increasingly withdrew from the business of the Communist party secretariat, leaving the task of supervising the Soviet Communist party entirely to Malenkov.
This Time magazine cover  illustrates that Malenkov was Stalin's apprentice and successor. 
Malenkov's crafty activity in organizing the Leningrad Affair was important for Stalin. After killing the leaders of Leningrad, Malenkov won Stalin's full support.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.147.22.105 (talk) 05:52, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Stalin's successor

message: Malenkov was the attacker on Russian Jews. He executed all Stalin's bloody politics.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.147.22.105 (talk) 03:29, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attack on Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee 

message: In 1920, in Turkestan, Malenkov started living together with Valeria Golubtsova, daughter of Aleksei Golubtsov, former State Councellor of Russian Empire in Nizhny Novgorod and dean of Imperial Cadet School. Golubtsova and Malenkov never officially registered their union and remained unregistered partners for the rest of their lives, such status allowed them to receive twice more perks from the Soviet system. Valeria Golubtsova joined the Soviet Communist party in 1920. Her personal views were described as antisemitism, by her co-workers. Kusnetsova, Raisa. Stranitsy is "Povesti zhizni." Moscow, 1994.  
Malenkov's partner, Valeria Golubtsova, had direct connection to Vladimir Lenin through her mother - one of "Nevsorov sisters" who were apprentices of Lenin and studied together with him for years, long before the Russian revolution of 1917. Bazhanov, Boris. "Stalin's secretary memoirs." Paris, 1980. Nikolaevsky, Boris, Felshtinsky, Yuri. Malenkov's biography from "Secret pages of history." Moscow, 1995.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.147.22.105 (talk) 23:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: At one point the article says that Malenkov's union with Valeria was unregistered, but lower it says that they married. Which one is correct?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.21.247.248 (talk) 20:20, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unfinished marriage 

message: Hard-line stalinist, Malenkov conspired to become dictator of the Soviet Union after the death of Stalin. Malenkov, together with his co-conspirators Bulganin, Molotov and Kaganovich, organized two coup attempts against Khrushchev. Malenkov failed, but continued to oppose the Khrushchev Thaw and especially strongly criticized removal of Stalin's body from the Lenin's mausoleum. After involvement in Soviet invasion of Hungary and two failed coup attempts Malenkov's reputation was bad and eventually he was ousted from Moscow to Siberia.
Malenkov was responsible for extermination of many prominent people in the Soviet Union. Malenkov organized the attack on Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee.
The JAC was documenting the Holocaust. This ran contrary to the official Soviet policy to present it as atrocities against all Soviet citizens, not acknowledging the specific genocide of the Jews. JAC supported the State of Israel, established in 1948, something that Stalin supported very briefly. The JAC international contacts especially to the USA at the outset of the Cold War, made them vulnerable to charges that they had become politically incorrect. The contacts with American Jewish organizations resulted in the plan to publish the Black Book documenting the Holocaust and participation of Jews in the resistance movement. The Black Book was indeed published in New York City in 1946, but no Russian edition appeared. The political situation of Soviet Jewry  deteriorated. 
In January 1948, Mikhoels was killed in Minsk by the Soviet secret police agents who staged the murder as a car accident. Robert Conquest Reflections on a Ravaged Century (2000)   The members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee were arrested. They were charged with disloyalty, bourgeois nationalism, cosmopolitanism, and planning to set up a Jewish republic in Crimea to serve US interests. In January 1949, the Soviet mass media launched massive propaganda campaign against "rootless cosmopolitans", unmistakably aimed at Jews. Markish observed at the time: "Hitler wanted to destroy us physically, Stalin wants to do it spiritually." On 12 August 1952, at least thirteen prominent Yiddish writers were executed in the event known as the "Night of the Murdered Poets" ("Ночь казненных поэтов").
In 1949 - 1950, Mlenkov fabricated the Leningrad Affair to kill his and Stalin's competitors in Leningrad, Moscow and other cities of the Soviet Union. Malenkov personally fabricated false accusations and then, together with Beria and Abakumov, supervised arrests and executions. About 2,000 of Leningrad's public figures were removed from their positions and exiled from their city, thus losing their homes and other property. All of them were repressed, together with their families. Respected intellectuals, managers, scientists, writers and educators, many of whom were pillars of the city's community, were exiled or imprisoned in the Gulag prison camps. Dmitri Volkogonov, Stalin: Triumph and Tragedy, 1996,   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.92.241.249 (talk) 00:30, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domestic assessments 

message: Malenkov's ancestors were not Ethnic Macedonians. At the time they moved from the Ottoman to the Russian Empire during the first half of the 19th century, nobody have heard anything about Ethnic Macedonians. The ancient name Macedonia was restored only in the nineteenth century originally as geographical term. The rise of nationalism under the Ottoman Empire then led the Macedonian Slavs, to desire of creation of their own schools in a new literary standard they called Bulgarian and new Slavic Church they called Bulgarian. Malenkov's relatives in Ohrid for example as Yoakim Malenkov and Christo Malenkov were among the supporters of the Bulgarian national idea in the city during the second half of the 19th century. Macedonian identity was developed and introduced mainly during the 1940s. and especially after WWII. Malenkov himself also never declared Macedonian identity. Do not mistake geographical origin with ethnic background. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 17:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: My latest edit is simply based on the wording in the source which states: "Malenkov's father was from the hereditary nobility, of Macedonian descent, who had..." I think we should stick to what the source says, don't you? Also, I don't know if you noticed, but I did not even link 'Macedonian' to any page, therefore not claiming that it refers to the ethnic group. --Local hero talk 20:58, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: We should stick to historical reality, not to a single source and to interpret each source in correlation with other sources exploring the same issue in its depth. Jingiby (talk) 06:28, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, see WP:Truth. Secondly, saying he was of Macedonian descent as I had added it, in addition to being in the source, did not even make any claims of ethnicity. --Local hero talk 18:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

text: I think the correct word here is "descent", I'm a quarter Scottish and Jamaican, and half Norwegian, but I consider myself to be Norwegian, since I lived my nearly whole life in Norway.. He's Russian with Macedonian ancestry. --TIAYN (talk) 10:20, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your advise Trust Is All You Need. However, Macedonian descent has several meanings: Bulgarian, Greek, Vlach, Slav or simply geographical designation. The first 3 designations were available during the 19th century in Macedonia, the 4th. one, i.e. Slavic Macedonian or Ethnic Macedonian arose as separate identity during the first half of the 20th century. The geographical origin is available in the article at the moment. I think this view is the closest to NPOV. Jingiby (talk) 13:43, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is entirely possible that the author in the source was referring to ethnic Macedonians. It was not unheard of at the time; Pulevski had written Rečnik od Tri Jezika in 1875. However, leaving the word 'Macedonian' unlinked as I had both agrees with the source and does not delve into WP:OR by stating which type of Macedonian we are referring to. Though, I have a good feeling that if the author meant to say 'Bulgarian', he would've said it. --Local hero talk 18:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying the current wording is unacceptable, I would just rather we go with what the source says. --Local hero talk 18:41, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

text: It is impossible any existence of  Ethnic Macedonian identity in the early 19th century when Malenkov's relatives left the area.  Jingiby (talk) 08:02, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic Macedonian background 

message: His date of birth are different in the introduction and in below his picture.
Aminabzz (talk) 04:04, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  different date of births 

message: If the article had simply said "demoted" I would have shrugged but Zhukov, unlike Shaposhnikov, was never "demoted in rank". He remained a Marshal of the Soviet Union until he died. He was demoted in POSITION, from Minister of Defense to Commanding General of the Odessa Military District. Gcapitalg (talk) 16:44, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zhukov's alleged "demotion in rank"