Talk:Eskaleut languages

message: Can anyone provide the full citation for Fleming 1987? —Dowobeha (talk • contribs) 19:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: The article states that "However, recent research suggests that Yup'ik by itself is not a valid node". Can anyone provide a citation for this assertion? —Dowobeha (talk • contribs) 20:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Yupik

message: An edit was made recently on the article that suggested that Eskimo-Aleut (EA) could have come over as early as 15,000 years ago. Yet this is too extreme to be believed and contradicts the current linguistic evidence now. Joseph Greenberg's work can say nothing on the matter because mass comparison is simply not considered secure evidence by linguists, however the data collected in recent books like that of Michael Fortescue (Language Relations across Bering Strait, 1998) seem to suggest that EA came over recently, even as late as 4000 years ago (see Uralo-Siberian languages). Greenberg has to be forgotten now. We live in the 21st century, not 1950, people! /:P
--Glengordon01 09:18, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Asian emigration of Eskimo-Aleut peoples 

message: I have assessed this as a Stub, as it only covers the basic information on the topic, and as low importance, as it is a highly specialized topic within Canada. Cheers, CP 20:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 16:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject class rating

message: Obviously it would be difficult to squeeze the Aleutian islands into the existing map, because it would require zooming out so much that the map would become too difficult to read. But on an article about the "Eskimo-Aleut languages," we certainly need to include the Aleutian islands in the only map on the page! A couple possibilities: 1) include a small box in the existing map with a dislocated view of the Aleutians 2) add another, separate map of the Aleutians. babbage (talk) 18:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Aleutian islands missing from the map

message: I downloaded a Greenlandic-English dictionary from this website, which says that taa (as well as ta) means "listen I tut! What can that be?", but this article says it means "human being". So it can't be right. But I can't change that, because I don't know what it translates to in the other Eskimo-Aleut languages. Whoever made that table seems to be an expert, however, so maybe they could. 80.42.102.93 (talk) 12:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To my knowledge the taa that means "listen" is a short form of a verb (either qakkuakkuutaa or tusarpaa) that just happens to look identical to the old root for human being that is no longer used in west Greenlandic.·Maunus·ƛ· 13:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Taa?

message: This article seems to be marrred by geopolitcs. Surely there is a continuum of languages between Western Alaska and Eastern Siberia. But the map only show the New World.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.60.219.11 (talk) 20:10, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Northern Asia

message: ===Qawiaraq language===
Is Qawiaraq language a Central Siberian Yupik language as said here or a Seward Peninsula Inupiaq language as said there ? 
===Uummarmiutun dialect===
Does Uummarmiutun dialect belong to Inuvialuktun as said here and there or to Inupiaq language as said there ? 
Arno Lagrange ✉ 06:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Uummarmiutun. Both Inupiaq language and Uummarmiutun say that the dialect is spoken only in Aklavik and Inuvik in the NWT. The Uummarmiut themselves are Inupiat (originally Nunatamiut) from Alaska who moved to Canada in 1910. So yes Uummarmiutun would be a dialect of the Inupiaq language. However, if you look at the Inuvialuit Regional Corp.'s page on languages it's also listed there. Then at the Language Geek page it also says that Uummarmiutun is included with Inuvialuktun but is considered part of the Inupiaq dialect. So I think that it needs to be included with both groups. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 15:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Classification

message: Does Uummarmiutun dialect belong to Inuvialuktun as said here and there or to Inupiaq language as said there ? 
Arno Lagrange ✉ 06:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Uummarmiutun. Both Inupiaq language and Uummarmiutun say that the dialect is spoken only in Aklavik and Inuvik in the NWT. The Uummarmiut themselves are Inupiat (originally Nunatamiut) from Alaska who moved to Canada in 1910. So yes Uummarmiutun would be a dialect of the Inupiaq language. However, if you look at the Inuvialuit Regional Corp.'s page on languages it's also listed there. Then at the Language Geek page it also says that Uummarmiutun is included with Inuvialuktun but is considered part of the Inupiaq dialect. So I think that it needs to be included with both groups. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 15:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Uummarmiutun dialect]]

message: The cognate chart says that the Aleut word for "tent" is pulaatxix̂, but the Aleut article says Aleut doesn't have /p/. And the only Google hits for pulaatxix̂ that I can find are on sites that mirror the Wikipedia article. What's going on there? --Nortaneous (talk) 03:50, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the Aleut Lexicon : pulaatxi{ tent  (Note: The not-funt letter { is x̂) --Kmoksy (talk) 00:01, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: pulaatxix̂

message: The range map used here is incomplete in three regards:
1/ The Russian areas are omitted
2/ Part of Greenland is omitted
3/ The map indicates that the E-A speaking range does not include Ellesmere Island, Cornwallis Island, Banks Island and certain other inhabited islands of Canadian Arctic Archipelago. This is not correct.
The map is someone else's work so I don't necessarily want to edit it, but perhaps we can come up with a better map.Ordinary Person (talk) 01:25, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Range map

message: The lead states, "The Eskimo–Aleut languages are among the native languages of the Americas. This is a geographical category, not a linguistic one." I assume that "not genealogical" or "not genetic" is what is actually meant by "not linguistic". If so, the lead should be clarified accordingly. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 08:11, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

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message: The map in incomplete as it excludes the Siberian portion of the languages as it only includes the North American part of the languages Lunacats (talk) 18:38, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map is incomplete it  needs to include Siberia 

message: I would like to propose renaming the article to Inuit-Yupik languages, with Eskimo-Aleut languages redirecting to that page. The term "Inuit-Yupik-Unangan" is technically correct, is based on endonyms rather than an exonym. The term "Eskimo" is an exonym. Its use in Alaska is declining. In Canada it is considered a racial slur. Dowobeha (talk) 21:43, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've been through the literature on google scholar and even amongst the most recent literature, Eskimo-Aleut is the prevaling term. Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. If the prevailing term turns out to be Inuit-Yupik-Unangan in the coming decades, we can consider changing the article title then. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:18, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

text: Eskaleut is fine. Don't need to and drop the "languages". CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 03:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I meant "Eskaleut languages" as the actual title. — kwami (talk) 05:08, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Yes: Eskaleut (languages, peoples, migration) Kmoksy (talk) 08:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you suggesting an article that should be moved to Eskaleut people? CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 06:08, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

text: I started a formal request below. — kwami (talk) 08:01, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to rename article: Eskimo-Aleut languages → Inuit-Yupik-Unangan languages

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved to Eskaleut languages.  No such user (talk) 11:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Eskimo–Aleut languages →  – There may be consensus for a move, but an editor requested a formal move request. 
The current name is common in the literature, but the word "Eskimo" is problematic (considered pejorative in Canada). "Eskaleut" is a common alternative. 
It is used, for example, by the state-of-art treatment, Louis-Jacques Dorais (2010, 2014) The Language of the Inuit.
Pinging people who voted above:  — kwami (talk) 08:33, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Not just a formal move but to get further input from others who don't have this page watchlisted. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 08:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 17 October 2022 

message: I really appreciate the discussion regarding the move to Eskaleut. I think that is a good step.
I see that since then, the article has been updated to use the term Eskimoan to describe the major branch of the family that includes the Inuit and Yupik sub-families.
I study and research languages in the Yupik family. Before seeing the term Eskimoan used here in Wikipedia, I have never heard or used that term. It sounds very odd to me.
Can anyone provide some insight into the term Eskimoan, and if it is being used in the academic literature in ways that I may be unaware of. Dowobeha (talk) 01:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Used in anthropology ('Eskimoan kinship') and linguistics ('Eskimoan languages'). I've found it dating back to 1888, and it's the term used in at least some editions of the Encyclopedia Brittanica, the Handbook of North American Indians, the Alaska Native Language Center Research Papers and the journal Language. A fair number of more recent linguistics books, of which the most relevant for us might be Rukeyser (2005) A Semantic Analysis of Yup'ik Spatial Deixis, Mahieu & Tersis (2009) Variations on Polysynthesis: The Eskaleut languages, and Vajda & Fortescue (2022) Mid-Holocene Language Connections between Asia and North America, but also e.g. Gildea (2000) Reconstructing Grammar, Joseph & Janda (2008) The Handbook of Historical Linguistics, Stassen (2009) Predicative Possession, Malchukov & Siewierska (2011) Impersonal Constructions and Thomason (2015) Endangered Languages. — kwami (talk) 05:51, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, kwami. I'll take a look through some of those references. Dowobeha (talk) 04:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of term Eskimoan for branch including Inuit and Yupik 

message: I just noticed the map shows North and East Greenlandic labeled as "Inuktun" when only North should be - East is different, and should be Tunumiisut I think
WanderingSam (talk) 01:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greenlandic in the map