Talk:Ghazal

message: Ghazal has its origin in Arabic. The introduction should mention Arabic origin and then it should be divided into AT LEAST two parts (Farsi and Urdu and possibly also Turkish).
It should mention in the intro. that Ghazal was an integral part of Arabic Qasida (pre-Islamic esp). and there were two types of ghazals in these Qasida: ghazal 'uthri which describes the girl including her physical characters and often private body parts and the other type (I forgot the name). AND there should also be a mention of the etymology of the Arabic word Ghazal(with REFERENCE to Hans Wehr or Al-Mawrad dictionary). Then it should mention that ghazal as a separate genre was developed in Farsi and from Farsi, it was later adapted into Turkish (first) and later in Urdu.
First sub-section must be about Ghazal in Farsi (chronological divisions only)
Second section perhaps Urdu.
A third section about Ghazals in other languages: Bengali, Marathi, Sindhi, Gujrati, Seraiki, Uzbek, Kazak, etc. And English.
78.149.168.132 (talk) 01:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If the final word is the same, the previous one must rhyme.  But the final word doesn't have to be the same. --Sarabseth (talk) 01:11, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: '''SUGGESTED CHANGES'''

message: The article states:
:Etymologically, the word literally refers to "the mortal cry of a gazelle". The animal is caled Ghizaal, from which the English word gazelles stems, or Kastori haran (where haran refers to deer) in Urdu.
::::the original writer didn't know Urdu, Arabic or (apparently) much English.  Kastori hiran is musk-deer. Gazelle is called chinkara in Urdu. For Arabic etymology see my comment below 78.149.168.132 (talk) 01:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Both of you are wrong. Please look at Hans Wehr's definitive <A Dictionary of Written Arabic> for the translation and etymology. Maha you can/ must also look in Lisan al-Arab. Clearly Ghazal and Ghazaal come from the same root Gh-z-l also any Arabic speaker will also know that the verb 'to spin' also comes from the same root. So to spin, to beautify, and by extension love (Notice: Al-Sayyuti and Hans Wehr both will tell you that 'love' is only by extension, the meaning of gh-z-l, not directly) and to speak of love, also love which is for the beautiful things and for the beauty that is spun (both in the sense of 'created' as well as spun in words). Therefor, a gazelle is called Ghazaal because it is beautiful and lovely in it's (created) form and an object of much poetic ('spun') contemplation. Also the Arabic word for cotton-candy is derived from the gh-z-l root  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.168.132 (talk) 01:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of Ghazal 

message: Each of the three is totally distinct, Arabs do not write ghazal using the same rules mentioned nor using the Persian rules; while all share the name, it (the common name) merely reflects the one connection that is directly related to the name: the fact that the poem describes the love of the poet for his (or her) lover.  I think that either this article should be moved to "Urdu Ghazal" (maybe "Ghazal (Urdu) or that it should be re-written to explain that. --Maha Odeh (talk) 10:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing Urdu Genre with Persian and Arabic 

message: Just saying: the notes section here means nothing to me, the casual encyclopedia reader. Does it serve any useful purpose? 71.238.152.124 (talk) 02:39, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes Section? 

message: A sweet silky voice.
Jim Reeves of India.
Practically forgotten today.
Please shed some light on this legendary King of gazal.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meerutwalla (talk • contribs) 18:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  classical gazal singers---  not forgetting Talat Mehmood 

message: What about its Hindustani pronunciation, since everyone’s complaining about this being about Urdu ghazals? Or, more to the point, its Indian English pronunciation? This is not ur: or ar:.
Also, the English section is kind of an unwikified, unencyclopædic mess.—Wiki Wikardo 13:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabic Pronunciation 

message: (1: The article starts with wrong Persian spelling and seems to have urdu direction.  And apart from these 2:) There are three kind of Ghazal. In Persian poetry, in Arabic poetry, and in Urdu poetry. These are completely different things. So I suggest changing the title to something like "ghazal (Urdu)" or something similar. I will write an article on "Ghazal (Persian)". Should I rename the current article and remove completely all instances of Persian poets? Or there is another suggestion?--Xashaiar (talk) 18:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  delete or change the title 

message: It is unclear what the above-named section in the article is intended to contain. Is it a list of all ghazals ever composed in English (and published presumably)? That's not encyclopaedic and not what Wp is for. Surely better to add the word 'notable' before 'Western poets' and weed out anything by non-notable poets. I'm going to be bold and take that on.--Yumegusa (talk) 21:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ghazals composed in English by Western poets 

message: Although the article title is Ghazal I note the first sentence opens with "The gazal". Nowhere else in the article does the form without the h occur, and quickly checking I find these results:
      	GBooks 	GWeb
Ghazal	102,000	13,500,000
Gazal 	22,500 	4,860,000
There seems therefore no basis for retaining the form without h as anything more than a redirect (which already exists). --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 14:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ghazal or Gazal? 

message: Hello !
Can I put more materials. I am not sure, if it will be under wikipedia scope.
Can I add, how to write Ghazal, it's technical terms, Beher(meter, Sanskrit, Arabian, Indian, Nepali), Radif, kafiaa etc in depth materials with full references ?
example:
Ghazal in Nepali.
https://ne.wikipedia.org/wiki/गजल
Thank you.
ठिस बुढा (talk) 23:57, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't see why not (as long as everything is reliably sourced).  Try not to get too technical, but don't worry about it too much.  Other editors can always make changes if it gets too technical. --Sarabseth (talk) 04:31, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Yes, this is appropriate for an encyclopedia, the structure of the poetic form. I see that a couple of the other wikipedias have more on this. I don't read any Nepali, so I can't judge the quality. Let us know if you need any help. Pseudofusulina (talk) 07:07, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Explanation of the ghazal's structure is important, but please bear in mind WP:NOTHOWTO. --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 10:02, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please, can I add Ghazal, in technical point of view ? 

message: In this edit an anonymous editor removed "Malay language" from the list of languages that spell ghazal with Arabic letters: غزل. Though my first instinct was to to revert this unexplained removal of data, it appears to be a good edit, since the official writing system of Malay uses Latin characters, not Arabic - see Malay language#Writing system. Also compare the ghazal article on Malay WP. --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 07:07, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, I beg to differ. Despite the fact that the malay language is now officially written in the modern latin script, nonetheless the arabic-based Jawi script is still maintained for cultural and religious purpose. --Egard89 (talk) 06:26, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a reference to that mention of the Malay use, summarizing Egard89's point and linking to this Talk section. --Thnidu (talk) 16:36, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the 'reference', as you can't add a link on the article to its Talk page, and this discussion is in any case insufficient as support. I'm not entirely convinced that it's appropriate to include the Malay word (which is the same word as English, Urdu, Persian, Arabic, etc. anyway) in a legally unofficial script in the lead. Can Egard89 or anyone provide a supporting citation from a WP:RS? --gråb whåt you cån (talk) 18:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Malay language" in lead 

message: Why is ghazal capitalised throughout the article? Shouldn't it be lower case or is there a specific reason it is not? Rayman60 (talk) 04:38, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper noun? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Other closed forms generally have a section or page dedicated to exactly what the formula of the form is --and common variations, e.g. the pages on sonnets. Could we receive the same thing here? The more who know HOW to write them, not just ABOUT how they are written, the more good is done for the world.
67.172.173.184 (talk) 15:00, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  REQUESTED ADDITIONS 

message: The first sentence called the ghazal "[a] legend in poetic form". What does that mean? According to the article itself, a ghazal is usually about love and separation, not legends. I'm deleting that phrase. --Thnidu (talk) 02:21, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "legend in poetic form"? 

message: The  comment at the top of the page is dated 30 September 2017, the most recent comment, just above a comment dated 2008. I'm moving it to the bottom, where it belongs in chronological order, as imposed by the "Add comment" button. Thnidu (talk) 02:33, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  order of comments 

message: I have tagged its neutrality as questionable, as it is exclusively using referring to this topic as "arab" and "islamic" and appears to politicize the topic with use of certain terminology. It would be nice to have some non-Pakistani editors also have a look at this article and make corrections.Gorvius (talk) 04:04, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is badly in need of a review 

message: I felt article Islamic_literature is in bit of neglect so I added my note on talk page there, requesting to take note of Talk:Islamic_literature#Article_review. If possible requesting copy edit support. Suggestions for suitable reference sources at  Talk:Islamic_literature is also welcome. 
Posting message here too for neutrality sake
Thanks and greetings
Bookku (talk) 07:33, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Requesting wider attention