Talk:Victorian dress reform

message: Great stuff, Zora.  I made some links; more anon.  
I can add the Wiggan pit girls' clothes (I have references, need to dig them up) under working women's clothes. PKM 03:19, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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message: EVERY little while some writer, some "dress reformer," some one wishing to advance a theory of her own, opens up a tirade against corsets.   They are generally represented by these "agitators" as a death dealing instrument of torture.   If these people have personally found them injurious, they have made them so.   Presumably, if the inventor of the much-abused corset had for one moment thought it necessary to furnish brains in the shape of written directions as to the use of his popular invention he would gladly have done so, or have made the attempt to get a bill passed prohibiting women from committing suicide by the aid of an invention intended only for comfort, grace and beauty.   This unending war against corsets that has been raging for about two score years and ten is certainly as good an advertisement as the most enterprising manufacturers can wish for.   It proves conclusively that the corset wins all of the battles.   If, in the fight, it has even wiped off from the face of the   earth a few brainless women it is difficult to understand why the corset should be held responsible.   If a woman's vanity, poor taste or ignorance leads her to "draw the strings" until a serious injury is the result, she should by all means discard the corset, just as she would flee from any other temptation she has not the will power to resist.   The evil, however, should not be laid to the corset.
So much has been said and written upon the subject that, as we hear the word, a vision of a compressed waist floats through the mind, and yet one never heard a strong, healthy, well-developed, woman acknowledge that she could get along without one.  Some kind of a support is positively necessary.  The most enthusiastic reformer always has a substitute, not differing materially excepting in name. I know a slender, thin woman that insists upon parading the fact that she never wears   the "horrible things."  Her underwaists are corded and whaleboned, her dress waists are padded to fill out the hollows, and each seam whaleboned.   In addition her waists are fitted so snugly that it seems marvelous the buttons do not fly to the four corners of the earth.  Yet, this woman considers because she does not wear a corset she is not imjuring herself.  There is nothing more com fortable than a well-fitting corset.  -- User:Haabet 21:17, 19 April 2006  
:That's nice -- some people defended the corset.  However, considering that women went many thousands of years not wearing anything like a corset, and that 20th century fashion has rather decisively rejected it, it seems like it's not in fact true that "the corset wins all of the battles"[sic], or that "Victorian dress reform was a bad concept"[sic] (so that denying these assertions is not "NPOV").  And putting all the blame onto individual women for tight-lacing ignores the fact that the images of contemporary attractiveness that a Victorian woman would have seen all around her were mostly depictions of highly-corseted women -- just as putting all the blame onto an individual woman today for anorexia would ignore the fact that the images of contemporary attractiveness that a woman sees all around her are mostly of very thin women.  The first case of anorexia I ever heard about (maybe the first one that got wide media coverage) was of somebody who was obsessed with looking just like Twiggy.
:So this "tightlacing Darwinism" in your quote above seems rather nasty and vicious to me -- a misogynistic blaming of the fashion victim.  If you want to say that there were conservative defenders of the corset, then that would be a reasonable addition to the article (but don't try to add it yourself, since your English-language skills are not really up to par).  But if you want to say that they were correct, or quote from them at great length, then that WOULDN'T belong in the article.
:If you're interested in contemporary quotes, try these: http://www.canadiana.org/ECO/PageView/91023/0008?id=d6bdd073d6 http://www.canadiana.org/ECO/PageView/91023/0013?id=d6bdd073d6 etc. Churchh 17:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-dress-reform quote

message: This image show the new bicycle. Now the women can bicycle without trousers. 
Håbet 07:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! If the image is out of copyright, can you add it to bicycle and history of the bicycle?  Thanks.  BrainyBabe 07:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: Is dress reform only girls dress to grown-up woman? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haabet (talk • contribs) 08:54, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Girls dress

message: I've removed the "External links" section, as it doesn't seem to add to the article and just seems to be a random pile of blogs that people have pasted on this page. If you want to try and improve the article by citing them within the body, here are the links:
*Dress Reform
*Victorian web
*Dress reform
*Rational dress
*Die Kultur des weiblichen Körpers als Grundlage der Frauenkleidung Paul Schultze-Naumburg 1901
~dom Kaos~ (talk) 05:56, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link farm