Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Education in Canada/Archive3

message: hi guys, just wondering....are there any articles out there that can serve as exemplars for articles in this project? or...like this article has an exemplar history section and that article has an exemplar sports section...i don't know about others...but i personally am at a loss of what to strive for in editing these articles...and if you guys have any exemplars...can you guys suggest school board exemplars too?.....any feedback would be great :)
thanks
zeChinaman 01:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For school boards, I'm somewhat proud of Toronto District School Board, though how -- or even if -- we're going to handle listing the high number of schools remains to be seen.  (BTW, I was thinking of a 2nd page, perhaps called Schools of the Toronto District School Board.) --Stephane Charette 04:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Other school boards which have all recently been finished or redone include the BC ones listed at List of school districts in British Columbia.  Most (or all?) of the BC ones use a table of schools, as opposed to the bullet list that I see you used on Hamilton-Wentworth District School Board.  Both formats work fine, but it'll give you something to compare with.  --Stephane Charette 04:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exemplars? 

message: The topic of "which licensing and/or copyright upload template to choose" for school boards was previously asked here, with no reply other than my own.  There is no template with 100% accurate description for school boards, but when used in an infobox to represent the school board discussed in the article, at the very least we have the generic fair-use .  However, I believe there are several options to discuss:
* (read loosely into this to also include school boards)
* (school boards are run as businesses funded by local government, thus commercial in nature)
* (generic fair-use logos)
* (same as previous, but sub-categorized)
(When I first joined Wikipedia, I was using  for school logos; then someone eventually asked me to use , and eventually I stumbled on .  But for school boards it doesn't look like we have much precedent.)
Opinions?  Suggestions?  --Stephane Charette 01:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about ? OK, you caught me, I just created it now. I think there are a sufficient number of boards in Ontario/Canada to make this useful, though if anyone objects, it can always be deleted. Mindmatrix 01:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks!  I've already started using it.  I'll mention it on the project page.  --Stephane Charette 08:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  School board logos 

message: I'm going to spider through the city of Vancouver for schools for the next while. I'm going to post the photos that need articles here in case some of you are bored and want to write something. (Alternatively, you can also keep an eye on the Vancouver page of my photos section, on my userpage.)
*:Image:Weir-elem.jpg - Dr. George M. Weir Elementary School
*:Image:Cavell-elem.jpg - Edith Cavell Elementary School
*:Image:Wolfe-elem.jpg - General Wolfe Elementary School
*:Image:Livingstone-elem.jpg - David Livingstone Elementary School
*:Image:Selkirk-elem.jpg - Lord Selkirk Elementary School
*:Image:Osler-elem.jpg - Sir William Osler Elementary School.
*:Image:Vanhorne-elem.jpg - Sir William Van Horne Elementary School.
*:Image:Mackenzie-elem.jpg - Sir Alexander MacKenzie Elementary School.
*:Image:Tecumseh-elem.jpg - Tecumseh Elementary School.
*:Image:Douglas-elem.jpg - Sir James Douglas Elementary School.
*:Image:Moberly-elem.jpg - Walter Moberly Elementary School.
*:Image:Trudeau-elem.jpg - Pierre Elliott Trudeau Elementary School.
*:Image:Henderson-elem.jpg - Henderson Elementary School.
*:Image:Fleming-elem.jpg - Sir Sanford Fleming Elementary School.
*:Image:Mcbride-elem.jpg - Sir Richard McBride Elementary School.
*:Image:Tyee-elem.jpg - Tyee Elementary School.
*:Image:Dickens-elem.jpg - Charles Dickens Elementary School.
*:Image:Grandview-elem.jpg - Grandview Elementary School.
*:Image:Franklin-elem.jpg - Sir John Franklin Elementary School.
*:Image:Lord-elem.jpg - Dr. A. R. Lord Elementary School.
*:Image:Hastings-elem.jpg - Hastings Elementary School.
*:Image:Macdonald-elem.jpg - Sir William MacDonald Elementary School.
*:Image:Seymour-elem.jpg - Admiral Seymour Elementary School.
*:Image:Strathcona-elem.jpg - Lord Strathcona Elementary School.
I'll update this list as things progress. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 06:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: Took a bunch of pics today... This list is looking long. I should really start writing some stubs for them, lol... :) -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 02:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In preperation to archive the talk page, I've added a pictures without articles section to WP:EiC.  If you have more pictures, please add them there instead so they don't get lost.  --Stephane Charette 18:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More pics

message: *List of business schools in Canada on afd resulted as no consensus.
*List of law schools in Canada on afd resulted as keep. Ardenn 06:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Results

message: I'm finding myself a little disoriented with the rapid archiving that's going on.  Of course the discussions here are quick and extensive and I agree it's best to keep things tidy, -and- I like the archive page summaries that were made, but the college/university section I put up five days ago is off the main page already, before anyone had even commented.  Maybe people just weren't very interested in that topic, but it seems to me that it was pretty relevant to what Ardenn is talking about now.  Would it be possible to archive only those discussions that have come to their natural conclusion? Cpastern 01:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm extremely sorry about that, it was I who archived the talk page.  The page was over 60kb in size -- mostly due to several large proposals I had posted -- so I kinda felt it was my responsability to clean it up.  I tried to keep the recent discussion on the talk page, but you're right, I missed the topic you had started.  The repost from archive2 is directly below.  --Stephane Charette 09:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving 

message: I had initially missed the reference in a comment above as to where exactly the discussion on the new C&U structure proposal is taking place.  For anyone else who missed this:
*the proposal is Wikipedia:WikiProject Education in Canada/U&C Structure Proposal
*discussion on the proposal is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Education in Canada/U&C Structure Proposal
--Stephane Charette 09:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  C&U structure proposal 

message: There's been a discussion on WikiProject Stub sorting about splitting the school stub categories. See the section entitled Split of . Mindmatrix 14:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created the new stub templates, which are listed on the main project page, as well as individual stub categories for the two types (Ontario & British Columbia) which have reached the appropriate threshhold. However, I'm going on vacation tomorrow, so I won't be able to finish sorting the stubs. I finished 'J' before I stopped, so could someone pick up at 'K'? Aelfthrytha 07:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone know why of the new stub templates, only the BC one () has the cute little schoolhouse icon on the left?  Are there rules or guidelines describing how or what can be done?  Who put the BC flag on top of the school?  And where would I get free flag pictures to use on the other provincial stubs?  --Stephane Charette 22:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Partially answered at least 1 of my own questions...Buchanan-Hermit: would you be so kind as to reveal more details in regards to :Image:Bc-educ.gif so I can do more of the provinces...unless you want to volunteer for the other 9?  :)  --Stephane Charette 22:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's not hard. I just took the normal schoolhouse pic, and inserted a scaled-down provincial flag on the layer below it. It's easy to do in Photoshop, but you can also do it via Paint (paste the flag down first, then paste the schoolhouse over it). -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 22:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: As for free flag pics, it would depend on the license on the flags here on Wikipedia. The BC one is public domain, but I'm not sure about the other ones. -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 22:34, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I was bored, so I made icons for all the provinces. You win -- enjoy. :) -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 00:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New stubs and categories

message: The article on Lincoln M. Alexander Secondary School, was recently moved to Lincoln Alexander Family as part of the Peel School Board problem described above.  To have it moved back, I had to file a Wikipedia:Requested moves.  However, there are only 3 people so far who have voted on the talk page -- 2 in favour, 1 opposed.  If you haven't voted yet, please do so as the administrators who make these moves usually make the decision about 1 week after the request was filed.  Thanks.  --Stephane Charette 01:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed article move for Lincoln M. Alexander Secondary School

message: I'm not apart of this WikiProject, but if anybody has time can they work on these two articles?
*Resurrection Catholic Secondary School
*University Heights Secondary School
Thanks in advance.  SilentRage 07:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Deletion log for the 2nd one shows it has been deleted twice already with no content.  I've added the first one to our project's list of articles needing cleanup.  --Stephane Charette 07:23, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting articles... 

message: I was home sick today, so I spent about...oh, 10 hours! ...re-writing Peel District School Board to hopefully solve the "family" articles issue.  In the end, I don't exactly like how it turned out simply because of the sheer size of the wikitable I ended up building at the bottom of the article to try and address the "family" information.  The school board has 221 schools, which you'd think would be easy to manage compared with others like TDSB's 558 schools.  But as you'll see, the table is still huge compared to the article content.
Previous version of the article before my editing:  
My last version of the article as of tonight is here:  
By doing things this way, I felt it was now possible to clean up what I think was the last "family" article recently created for Peel.  That article, which until tonight looked like this has now been converted to a redirect to the new school board article.
In addition, I've also fixed all of the new redirects that User:Zanimum had created from the various schools to the "family" article.  For example, Erindale Family had 10 newly-created redirects (Erin Mills Middle School, Brookmede Public School, King's Masting Public School, Pheasant Run Public School, Homelands Sr. Public School, Homelands Senior Public School, Oakridge Public School, Sawmill Valley Public School, Sheridan Park Public School, Thorn Lodge Public School) which now have been fixed to point back to the school board.  Hopefully, this will be an acceptable solution and the end to the Peel School Board "family" saga.
Please comment.  :)  --Stephane Charette 06:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not bad, but I think it's way too long. Instead, how about doing this:
School family   	School name
Applewood Family	Applewood Heights Secondary School
                	Barondale Public School, Bristol Road Middle School, Burnhamthorpe Public School, Cooksville Creek Public School, Dixie Public School, Fairwind Senior Public School, Huntington Ridge Public School, Nahani Way Public School, Silverthorn Public School, Tomken Road Middle School
Bramalea Family 	Bramalea Secondary School
                	Aloma Crescent Public School, Balmoral Drive Sr. Public School, Birchbank Public School, Clark Boulevard Public School, Dorset Drive Public School, Earnscliffe Sr. Public School, Eastbourne Drive Public School, Fallingdale Public School, Folkstone Public School
That leaves the table a bit more compact, and the high schools are more visible. (Feel free to clean up my version, I just threw it together as a test.) Just a thought. Mindmatrix 14:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Aside: we should consider a List of schools of the Peel District School Board article, or something similarly named; this could get the full table, whereas the Board article would get a reduced version of it.  Mindmatrix 15:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should keep the full list/table in the school board article. It works okay for School District 36 Surrey. --Usgnus 16:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot compact the table as prototyped above by Mindmatrix -- the whole intent of using the table was to provide information on every school without having to create a bunch of new "family" articles.  But as shown above, if all the schools are merged together into 1 big cell, then how do the editors provide information on a per-school basis?  The only "family" where I did this in the Peel article so far is for the Erindale Family.  I leave it up to other editors such as Zanimum who started this family trend to fill in the missing cells.  --Stephane Charette 19:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite of [[Peel District School Board]]