Talk:AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo

message: On November, 2006, BAE Systems' new 32-bit digital flight control computer completed its first flight aboard the Taiwanese Air Force Indigenous Defense Fighter (IDF) C/D version, also known as the Shiang-Seng Fighter.
The new flight control computer represents a substantial advance in processing power and control capability over the obsolete 16-bit computer it replaces. "This design provides important performance improvements over its predecessor that will result in a safer, higher-performing aircraft," said Butch Hsu, senior vice president of Taiwan's Aerospace Industrial Development Corp. (AIDC).
BAE Systems has worked closely with AIDC, builder of the all-weather, multi-role IDF, since the program's inception in1985. The flight control system has been improved in several phases, with the latest development contract awarded in 2002.
"With this system, BAE Systems brings the state-of-the art 32-bit PowerPC-based processor to the flight control marketplace," said Albert Lin, program manager for IDF flight control systems for BAE Systems in Los Angeles. "In addition to faster processing and computing capability and higher reliability, the new computer also integrates easily with the aircraft's air data, avionics, and head-up display systems."
Taiwan's Air Force plans to use the new computer to upgrade to existing IDF fleets and on new-build aircraft. The upgraded flight control is part of an overall aircraft system performance upgrade that includes increased range and enhanced radar target acquisition, firepower, and flight control performance.
Source: BAE Systems PR:
http://baesystems.com/newsroom/2006/Nov/061106news2.htm
Royzee 08:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: FLIGHT CONTROL COMPUTER

message: Sorry about all the mucking about (see the edit history page); and in the end I couldn't get it to work the way I wanted anyway... :-(
- Aerobird 14:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry about that... 

message: This article lists the top speed as being Mach 1.8. John Smith's (talk) 21:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top speed 

message: Currently the specifications section is sourced to Globalsecurity (), Milavia () and TaiwanAirPower.org (). Of these, only Milavia actually has any specifications, and not at the link given (actually at ).  Given that none of these three sources probably pass muster as a WP:Rs, shouldn't the article be using something better, particularly with all the recent edit-warring on the page?Nigel Ish (talk) 12:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur. I have , which has spec fo rhte F-CK-1. I'll try to add it as a source, and make any necessary chnages, later today. Thanks for your other work on sourcing/correcting the article! - BilCat (talk) 12:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specifications 

message: Who put it in to the introduction of the article that the C/D version of this plane is 4.5 generation?
This plane dispite the improvements being made on it, still has underpowered engines and radar and is more than likely less capable than the earlier versions of the F-16. This plane does not have TVC control, supercruise, AESA radar or any RCS reducing features that defines a 4.5 generation jetfighter.
The aircraft is commonly referred as underpowered, however it is not. The f-ck-1 is designed as a light weight defense/multirole fighter, not air seprority.
The engine is therefore enough to fill the capability.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.96.128.2 (talk) 19:13, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not 4.5 generation 

message: I think that the article should mention the Hsiung Feng II  anti-ship missile, its compatibility with this aircraft is also mentioned by Global Security.
The Chinese version of this article mentions that Sidewinder and Maverick missiles are compatible as well, but I can't find sources to confirm it, so these missiles maybe could be omitted (unless someone could understand if there's any source to confirm it in the Chinese wikipedia, I can't read Chinese).
Hyper Shinchan (talk) 20:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hsiung Feng II anti-ship missile and other armaments 

message: Watch this video the IDF does a manoeuvre here that look likes a cobra.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGZ0EalNigo&feature=related  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.118.171.242 (talk) 10:47, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  IDF doing cobra ? 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: Taiwan was in-line to buy the Northrop F-20 as that airplane developed. Two things stopped the sale, First: The USAF selected the F-16 instead (and the world followed), and Second: Nixon went to China and brakes were placed upon Taiwan purchases (as noted here).
The point I am making is that the radar, many of the advances in avionics, as well as the overall power increase in a small airframe all came from the F-20.
However, the AIDC had to use two smaller engines and a redesigned air frame to reach the same performance as the F-20 promised with one larger engine.
I suggest that under the Heading See Also that we put the sub-category: Aircraft of comparable role, configuration and era, and in that sub-heading put the: Northrop F-20.
In support I would say that: 
1) The Northrop F-20 Tigershark lists the AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo in that 'See also' sub-category (along with several other aircraft (which may apply here too)??).
2) The AIDC F-CK-1 took many of the parts developed for the F-20.
3) The AIDC F-CK-1 is definitely of the same size, speed, ROLE and ERA, even if not the same CONFIGURATION.
James
202.44.215.43 (talk) 07:45, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No. We don't list comparable or similar aircraft in this article by consensus, as it's too contentious. Making an exception for the F-20 would only serve to prompt other types to be added. This isn't the only fighter article we do that for. Sorry. BilCat (talk) 08:03, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the Northrop F-20 be listed as a Comparable Aircraft?