Talk:Cloud seeding

message: Honestly, folks. Read this: 
To his astonishment, as soon as he breathed into the deep freezer, he noted a bluish haze, followed by an eye-popping display of millions of microscopic ice crystals, reflecting the strong light rays from the lamp illuminating a cross-section of the chamber. He instantly realized that he had discovered a way to change super-cooled water into ice crystals. The experiment was easily replicated, and he explored the temperature gradient to establish the −40 °C limit for liquid water.[27] 
-What is this? This is awful. This is so loaded that my baked potato's feeling self-conscious. I don't know much about editing wiki articles, but will someone please fix this horrendous paragraph for the sake of this article's legitimacy? 47.183.227.145 (talk) 18:59, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I first remember hearing about cloud seeding as a child in the late 50's.  Since then the subject seems to have disappeared.  I would like to know if cloud seeding is still done? I'm also curious about whether there has been any studies regarding the possibility (or lack of it) of long term health problems resulting from cloud seeding.  Considering the increase in asthma and other chronic conditions plaguing our Baby boom generation and our children it seems that we should be questioning processes that were done in our lifetime such as cloudseeding, christmas tree fire retardence, mass vaccinations, etc. that may have seemed like a good thing to do at the time but may have resulted in unknown long term health affects.
:I could've sworn I read that it was a widespread practice in China, so much so that they were fighting over who owned the best clouds.  They use artillery, rockets, and planes to deliver the chemicals.  This ring a bell for anyone?-LtNOWIncestuous Shaggers 23:08, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone have any information on the health effects of this? That was the first thing I thought of when I read this: (Xinhua News). Andy 11:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health Effects 

message: I'm a young kid but i still know alittle about cloud seeding it has been proven many cases that it is safe and ok the only thing that really sticks in my brain is in march 22, 1998 when cloud seeding helped a fire that got out ahand.I also know even some of the bad cases are because they can't measure the precipiatation levels in the cloud even with all our new computers and stuff.
                         Thanks a fellow 8th grader in Grundy center,Iowa
"Russian military pilots seeded clouds over Belarus after the Chernobyl disaster to remove radioactive particles from clouds heading toward Moscow.[15]"
Should this not be labelled as a conspiracy theory as much as the, improbable, Woodstock one.  It is taken from a single Telegraph article, not the most impartial source, which nonetheless makes it clear it has been denied by the government. Perhaps more importantly the wind was due north, leading to the radioactivity being detected inSweden before the USSR went public, while Noscow is directly to the east of Belarus.
Neil Craig  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.46.34 (talk) 16:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  cloud seeding 

message: Didn't we use cloud seeding during the Vietnam war to keep NVA supply lines muddy?  I think I heard this somewhere, but can't verify it.
141.213.251.164 18:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vietnam

message: See WP:CONTEXT. This article was targetted by a user  for overlinking. It has been tagged for cleanup and will be cleaned up as time permits. Anyone willing to go ahead and remove the excessive linking before I get back to it will be greatly permitted as many articles were overlinked and only now just discovered. --Crossmr 07:22, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: This should help in your efforts to clean up the page.  There is a bit of a movement within meteorology and hurricane projects to upgrade their pages.  Now that they know of its existence, it should be whipped into shape.  Thegreatdr 21:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meteorology tagging, after nearly two years 

message: Cloud seeding is indeed done today, by about 24 countries and eleven Western states - see http://www.naiwmc.org for a map of the Western U.S. and Canada states/provinces.  
The health effects from silver deposited from silver iodide seeding are indeed minimal, and no studies have shown any silver contents in the environment above background levels.  You will have much more exposure to silver from tooth fillings than from cloud seeding!  Much research on the environmental and health effects of seeding were done over 20 years ago, because funding for cloud seeding research in general has declined precipitously since that time.  
Another big myth about cloud seeding is that it causes precipitation decreases downwind of the area that is seeded.  This is called the "Robbing Peter to Pay Paul" effect.  It is discussed for winter seeding by an FAQ at http://www.wet-intl.com/faq.html .  The bottom line is that there has been no evidence for decreases downwind of seeding target areas, but some evidence for increases as much as 100 miles downwind.
There is still controversy about whether cloud seeding really works, in large part because of the lack of scientific research.  The National Academies of Science National Research Council studied the field in 2003 and concluded that there is a great need for a national research program to clear up remaining questions.  Nevertheless, three professional societies (American Meteorological Society (AMS), Weather Modification Association, and World Meteorological Organization) agree that the best evidence for effectiveness is with winter cloud seeding to augment snowfall over mountains.  In fact, the AMS even states that there is good evidence to support 10% increases in snow water seasonally. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Esteban9 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cloud seeding practice and health effects 

message: Is this thing regulated internationally or locally in any country? Obviously neighboring regions/countries might agree with getting more/less rain as a result. --Voidvector 06:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regulation 

message: According to cloud seeding, cloud seeding is a human activity, whereas global warming#Solar variation presents "cloud seeding via galactic cosmic rays" as a natural phenomenon.  If both articles are correct about these expressions, should "cloud seeding" be disambiguated? -- Wavelength (talk) 20:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Clouds can be seeded both naturally and otherwise.  We should clarify its definition in the lead, and add a reference to it.  Thegreatdr (talk) 01:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should "cloud seeding" be disambiguated? 

message: Just wondering if this cloud seeding related death in China deserves a mention. SmokeySteve (talk) 20:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fatalities 

message: I rather like the idea about using a paintgun or airgun to shoot pellets into the sky.   However, it makes more sense to climb a nearby hill to increase your range, so you can fire at the right cloud.   (I happen to live at the 1,100 foot level while most of Portland, Oregon, is about 62 feet above sea level.)   
But if the winds are blowing right, you should be able to increase the range with a catapult or even a kite (by attaching a battery-powered motor that climbs the line on its own).    In the last instance, using a kite, 200 feet strikes me as the limit in range that an amateur kite flyer could achieve before the line breaks under the weight of the load on the line, and the stress caused by the wind.   Dexter Nextnumber (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distribution of silver iodide via kite lines 

message: Is it true that we can increase our fresh water supply if we did cloud seeding around our lakes, rivers, and streams to increase their rainfall amount? GVnayR (talk) 02:02, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. We can only seed the clouds that are there already. We can make it rain here instead of there, or now instead of later, but we can't create extra water vapour. The only possibility for extra water would be if, for example, we seeded a cloud that was going pass over an island, and make it rain on the island instead of at sea. I wonder if this has been done for real? Might be good for the article. Totnesmartin (talk) 10:20, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Interestingly, as mentioned in the article, South East Queensland Australia has been conducting a cloud seeding trial for the past four years, with the hopes of "easing" the drought situation ... do you think it might've worked? :| --PoizonMyst (talk) 13:53, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

text: why are you replying to an 8 year old discussion? Not that I understand your reply. Doug Weller talk 11:33, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can it refresh our fresh water supply? 

message: Does anybody think it looks funny or just me?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.84.165.12 (talk) 14:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  assault jet picture 

message: So... is it used or isn't it?
There is NEVER salt included.
and later in the same paragraph...
The use of hygroscopic materials, such as salt, is increasing in popularity[citation needed] because of some promising research results[citation needed].
There isn't a citation for either part, I would suggest removing them both.
SeanJA (talk) 13:19, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salt Usage 

message: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-19/cloud-seeding/4322880, via http://geoengineeringpolitics.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/new-south-wales-adopts-cloud-seeding.html William M. Connolley (talk) 22:22, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bit of news 

message: What i lack in this article is the impact on the natural weather patterns.
I'd like to know whether the normal weather patterns are disturbed in the short and long run.
Because if not this might be the solution for desertification and droughts anywhere.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.91.41.128 (talk) 10:00, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impact on environment and health 

message: The tones used in the Asia section and North America section are quite different. It seems to express a lot of doubt on the efficacy of the Chinese rainmaking projects, while affirming the success of the American projects. Especially problematic is the sentence "... People's Republic of China, which believes that it increases the amount of rain ...". The sentence deliberately lowers the legitimacy of the Chinese efforts, but the other section unfairly emphasises the success in North America. Please fix the tone. Yinweichen (talk) 11:32, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
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message: In the "China" section, there was an uncited claim that "about 24 countries practice weather modification operationally". I don't believe that this claim belongs in a specific country's section. To re-add this claim I think that it should have a source. longchess (talk · contribs · block user) 15:18, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed irrelevant information 

message: I propose that January 2020 cloud seeding experiment in the United Arab Emirates be merged into this article. There is not enough significant coverage of the even to warrant a separate article. JayJayWhat did I do? 17:58, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I am actually thinking that we might be in a good place to do Cloud seeding in the United Arab Emirates as a general article, there appears to be a ton of sources about it on the interwebs, and it would be a good complement to Water in the United Arab Emirates -- maybe we move the one you are proposing, bring over content from this article, and then transclude the lead of the more concise section here with Template:Excerpt.  does that sound right? Sadads (talk) 18:18, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would work , like you said there seems to be enough sources about cloud seeding in the United Arab Emirates. JayJayWhat did I do? 22:11, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  What about Cloud seeding in the United Arab Emirates? That seems to be a good start, its better than it was :D Sadads (talk) 22:41, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me! JayJayWhat did I do? 00:13, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose merge 

message: Cloud seeding in Tasmania ended in 2016 https://www.hydro.com.au/news/media-releases/2017/09/14/cloud-seeding-statement. I think this information should probably be added. I'm unwilling to make the edit myself since I haven't edited an article before and I'm not up to date with the style guide / rules.--203.213.23.190 (talk) 14:33, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tasmanian Cloud Seeding (under Australia) 

message: "Quantifying snowfall from orographic cloud seeding" Mapsax (talk) 01:45, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  2020 study 

message: As part of Public Law 92-205 (1972), all non-Federal weather modification activities must be reported to the U.S. Secretary of Commerce, via the NOAA Weather Program Office.  Below is a list of these reports and is updated on a quarterly basis. https://library.noaa.gov/Collections/Digital-Collections/Weather-Modification-Project-Reports 2601:242:500:3E80:B79:4490:3136:954A (talk) 03:00, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of NOAA Database 

message: In this claim under History - UAE
Forecasters and scientists have estimated that cloud seeding operations can enhance rainfall by as much as 30-35% percent in a clear atmosphere, and up to 10-15% in a more humid atmosphere
Does that not directly conflict with the section under effectiveness and Pelley, Janet (30 May 2016)?
' Ogreen98 (talk) 23:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflict: Effectiveness / History-UAE