Talk:Egyptian identification card controversy

message: got a lot of editing going on. Any discussion? Seems like work is progressing nicely!--Smkolins 21:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: There is also the issue of Copts who have wrong ID cards or Muslims that are unable to change their ID card after they convert to Christianity.  ADM (talk) 11:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Copts

message: I'm about to begin a big reorganization and update, including:
* adding the recent news that the first no-religion-listed cards have been issued
* condensing supefluous content --- the article seems long and unwieldy right now
* attempting to make it less Bahá'í-centric
hajhouse (talk) 04:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As for "Bahai-centric", the Bahai were the ones whose situation was the main motivation for the changes... AnonMoos (talk) 12:12, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Beginning big reorganization and update

message: An editor has removed a sourced statement (which I've re-found the link) that it goes against Baha'i principle to lie about one's religion, stating that it "implies that atheists and agnostics have no problem lying".  The statement does not imply such a thing, but if it does, the fix is to fix the sentence, not remove the sourced statement, which is important in the context, because the Egyptian (and Iranian) governments have clearly stated in the past that a limitation of the accepted religions is not an issue because one can just lie about their religion, and this clearly goes against Baha'i belief.  Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 21:17, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No sourced information was removed and no reference was removed. As you say, "the fix is to fix the sentence" which is exactly what was done. The sentence clearly states that the controversy was a greater concern for Baha'i due to their reluctance to lie. Ergo, anyone else could easily just lie. This is obviously ridiculous. Only sociopaths have no compunction about lying. Baha'i are not special in that regard. It is just as troubling for an atheist or agnostic to be compelled to lie about their beliefs. 108.67.153.215 (talk) 10:05, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if any such invidious comparisons were intended; however, those of Muslim or Christian background can consider affiliation on the ID card to be an indicator of their origins, rather than their active theological convictions.  However, no such course is open to Baha'i, and it was in fact Baha'i who were the critical test case... AnonMoos (talk) 10:15, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If any change is to be made to the article, it needs to be a change which does not obfuscate and obscure the fact that Baha'is were the ones who were most dramatically affected, and who were the main trigger for the efforts to change things... AnonMoos (talk) 10:34, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

text: You did remove the sourced information, that the issue was of great concern for Baha'is because they refused to follow the Egyptian government's recommendation to lie about their religion.  As AnoonMoos noted above, the whole issue of the identification cards was brought up for Baha'is, because in fact most other non-recognized groups did regularly lie about the religion, and Baha'is did not.  Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 13:26, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Lying about one's religion

message: * Egypt’s forgotten Baha’i community fearful and hopeful of future  Smkolins (talk) 14:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  being included now
Identification card to Egypt  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.96.92.192 (talk) 12:16, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  another source to factor in 

message: Substituted at 14:14, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: This article is badly out of date given the political changes that have taken place in Egypt. What is the current situation?Bill (talk) 22:33, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
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message: This article needs to be updated - looks like the latest  information here is from 2012.
- 189.122.84.88 (talk) 01:11, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs to be updated