Talk:Toyota Avalon

message: The avalon is probably the coolest car in the history of cars.   Heres mine: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3216945   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.192.22.81 (talk) 03:19, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

message: The wheelbase was below 111.0 in., but that time, the Avalon was considered Toyota's upper midsize car (ala Nissan Maxima, Mazda Millenia). -- Bull-Doser 22:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Camry-Era Avalon (1995-2004)

message: 2011-present is FOURTH GENERATION, it is NOT a carryover of the previous generation, but it is a "careful evolution" of the third generation, much like the first (1995-1999) and second generations (2000-2004).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.15.94.90 (talk) 05:09, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The only real way to tell is to look at the model code. First gen was MCX10, 2nd gen was MCX20, third gen was MCX30. Fourth gen would have a 40 in the model code.  Stepho  (talk) 04:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The third generation code is GSX30, and there is no GSX40 model (yet). OSX (talk • contributions) 05:28, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Fourth Generation

message: In the 'model years' section it says, "For 2008, the Avalon received a mild mid-cycle refresh." As a non-American I read this as meaning calendar year 2008. Is it meant to be calendar year or model year? Likewise for the rest of the section. I understand that Americans mean model year when they say things like "the 2008 Avalon" to mean Sept 2007 to Sept 2008 but I find it very confusing when the context is unclear.  Stepho  talk  06:19, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "For" always means model year. "In," when properly used, means calendar year. IFCAR (talk) 14:00, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. English is my mother tongue but learning 'US speak' is like learning a foreign language.  Stepho  talk  06:24, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Model years 

message: The door knobs, taillights, headlights, etc. are all similar. --2602:306:CDB2:4130:6CF3:9FE5:A395:E7AA (talk) 02:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the styling cues are similar. But all Toyotas share styling cues with each other. Some of the parts are shared. But many more parts are unique to each vehicle. The sheet metal is different. The engine is at the other end - which means much of the related mechanical parts are different. Being similar size doesn't make them the same vehicle either. Toyota has a reputation for tailoring vehicles to specific market segment. The GS and the Avalon are aimed at different market segments and use quite different parts to do so. To claim that they are essential variants of a single vehicle, you would have to show us either a reference that says so or a list showing which parts are shared vs a list of which parts are unique.  Stepho  talk  04:07, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lexus GS "is" similar to Toyota Avalon 

message: Who says it is? Where is the proof? There is nothing in the article.— Vchimpanzee ·  talk · contributions · 18:49, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Australian ANCAP report calls it a 'large car' and is only slightly smaller than the biggest cars on the Australian market at the time. Of course, this may differ from what an American thinks if he is comparing it to something like a 1956 Cadillac. If you can find a reference (eg from a resale list website) then we can alter the page to reflect this (subject to comparing it to US full-size and European full-size).  Stepho  talk  05:30, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: All I know is I saw one close up and that was no bigger than a mid-size car. I don't really know where to look.— Vchimpanzee ·  talk · contributions · 14:54, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The US EPA considers the Avalon to be a mid-size car based on passenger and cargo volume. That conflicts with the Australian ANCAP report (they probably both use different measurement approaches.) I don't know if the description is that important if there is not a consensus among reliable sources. Bahooka (talk) 15:01, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

text: By the way, I took an older model year Avalon at random to compare.  For 1998, the Avalon was classified as a large car. Bahooka (talk) 15:22, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw another Avalon and it definitely wasn't full-size. I'm thinking we need to go through all these cars, for all their model years, and figure out what's right. Personally, I wouldn't know how to draw any clear conclusions.— Vchimpanzee ·  talk · contributions · 15:21, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is always a good idea to go through the articles and compare them to reliable sources.  A lot of changes have occurred on these articles through original research or vandalism. Bahooka (talk) 15:33, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

text: The 2008 Avalon (I just chose one at random) IS full-size according to that site you posted the link to. They actually link to all different years.— Vchimpanzee ·  talk · contributions · 20:38, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: When I get time I'm going to go through every year of every model, just from that site, and post on the talk page of each relevant article. Obviously this is not the final word, but to me some of these so-called full-size cars look smaller than the ones said to be mid-size.— Vchimpanzee ·  talk · contributions · 20:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually saw an Avalon that looked full-size to me. I chose a random year 2009, and not only Avalon but Honda Accord were large. But not Nissan Altima?— Vchimpanzee ·  talk · contributions · 22:50, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "Full-Size" is simply a classification based on interior space. Your personal approximations based on the external appearance of the car are not particularly relevant. AFAIK Toyota (as do other manufacturers) tailored the Avalon's interior volume specifically to have it classified as a Full-Size. I think that the Saab 9000 also managed to be classified as a full-size. Conversely, many full-sized yank tanks didn't actually provide much useful interior space.  Mr.choppers | ✎  02:46, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is not a full-size car  

message: Anon-IP editors keep adding that the Avalon was made in China or Taiwan. No proof has been given and in one case they also removed that it was made in Canada. Without proof (typically via references) we cannot leave this in the article. If you have references then please present them in the article or here. The only reference I could find is https://carnewschina.com/2014/02/10/toyota-avalon-will-be-launched-on-the-china-car-market-in-2015/ but that was just a forecast, not an actual launch. I also found http://www.ecns.cn/business/2015/01-14/150634.shtml but this only mentions sales in China, not manufacturing. I suspect the anon-IP editors are mere vandals, just stirring up trouble. But, as always, present proof and I gladly change my opinion.  Stepho  talk  04:32, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Made in China 

message: Some anon-ip editors are edit warring on my personal talk page about Avalon issues. I frown on people deleting other people's comments on any talk page and especially on my own talk page. I also look at every edit to my talk page, so deleting comments doesn't help you any. What it does is annoy me - and if you want me to look favourably on whatever article edits you want then annoying me seems a strange way to do it.
Short answer - putting polite and thoughtful comments on the article talk page (ie, here) is the most likely way to have your ideas considered by your fellow editors.  Stepho  talk  05:46, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit warring on my talk page 

message: The Chinese-made Toyota Avalon (XX50) will be sold in the Middle East since 2022. Derwydd74 (talk) 13:29, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Reference?  Stepho  talk  00:35, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toyota Avalon (XX50) 

message: The Toyota Avalon (XX50) is sold in the Middle East and China as of 2023. Bompanigcc (talk) 13:08, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: References?  Stepho  talk  21:13, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toyota Avalon (XX50)