Talk:Dream Days at the Hotel Existence

message: First of all the article is not 'stable' because the album was released today...
*The lead does not summarize the article, no mention of background or critical reception
* No information on recording/production of the album
* incomplete grammar  May 12 2007. -> May 12, 2007
* References needs a publisher, date, a retrieve date (for Internet archive purposes)
Wait a week or two until there are reviews, sales figures and chart positions released for the reception section. M3tal H3ad 10:58, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA fail

message: At the moment, Bernard and JC are listed in the article as having written all the songs, yet on the album liner notes it states "All selections written and performed by Powderfinger". Does anybody have a source for the current listing? I'll leave it for a few days and then, if none is found, I'll change it. Peace. Wwwhhh 06:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the songwriters. They were stated in the Australian iTunes Store. RaNdOm26 08:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songwriting credits 

message: Anyone know what day they are updated on?  It's vital that we get this info ASAP, as the position they start on will usually be the highest (at least, with an album that's well anticipated like this one), so we can remove the Current Album tag when that's done. - G1ggy Talk/Contribs 07:07, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The website updates every Sunday evening; though Nova radio announces them a few hours earlier. RaNdOm26 07:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By Sunday evening, Random means 10pm, so you may as well say Monday, but the stats are available from a select few sources as early as 2am Sunday morning. If we can secure that info, that'd be great. For sure, it's going to make number one in its first week and probably for the few weeks to follow. I can't imagine the forthcoming albums by mandy Moore or Lifehouse are able to topple it.  --lincalinca 07:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But it's Mandy Moore!! =P  Anyway, it hasn't updated here yet...  Anyone have a link for the other sources? - G1ggy Talk/Contribs 01:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, unfortunately. I wish someone would host a site like in NZ (charts.co.nz) where it's clearly laid out and generally released a couple of days before the actual RIANZ site. --lincalinca 04:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been updated.  Thanks, Random! - G1ggy Talk/Contribs 04:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ARIA Charts 

message: I'm moved it from A-class/high importance.  As it failed GA, its certainly cannot be A-class.  I'd say it's Start or B with the next stage being GA.  I'm giving it a B as it's well referenced and seems to be readable prose.  Importance is relative to the category for which it being assessed.  Perhaps High on the PF project, but not for broader projects. —Moondyne 11:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A class doesn't necessarily mean greater than GA class, according to the definitions for the classes. it actually says specifically that just because an article is not GA doesn't mean it can't be A. As it passed the required info to be an A class, that's why I noted it as that. I suppose I could wait a few weeks, though, and see if we can get it reviewed for GA again. --lincalinca 13:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. My bad.  Interestingly the Australian assessment guide says: "Good articles that may succeed in FAC should be considered A-Class articles, but being a Good article is not a requirement for A-Class." and the Albums guide is slightly varied and says: "Good articles that may succeed in FAC should be considered A-Class articles, but having completed the Good article designation process is not a requirement for A-Class.".  Anyway, I would not oppose a change back to A-class if anyone wishes it. —Moondyne 15:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, it's all good. We'll leave it for a couple of weeks, let some charts and mroe notable reviews get behind the album and try again for GA then. --lincalinca 15:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assesment

message: Does anyone else get the feeling that Powderfinger has been listening to a lot of Tubular Bells lately? It seems to me that it's unfair to claim that they've made few innovations (though that claim is well sourced). I guess we can add responses and influences as reliable commentators publish reviews of the album.--Yeti Hunter 03:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Musical innovations are both hard to prove and disprove due to the simple subjective nature of it. The band doesn't claim any innovation, though claims to have been trying to be like Tom Petty in some of the songs (which is in the album bio written by Bernard Fanning on the official website), which led to pianist Benmont Tench (who was in Tom Petty band) to say that he though it sounded like Buffalo Springfield who Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers were always trying to sound like. Anyway, I know what you're saying, but I don't think it's fair to say it's "uninnovative" on par with the fact that I don't really know that the album is justifiably refered to as being "innovative." It's a term that I don't think should be thrown about with new albums. --lincalinca 05:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Influences

message: Any response to the nomination for Good Article status, please make here. --lincalinca 03:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Several issues as I read through the article:
*"Prior to its release, Powderfinger had been in a three year hiatus after their highly successful album Vulture Street during which lead singer Bernard Fanning released his debut solo album Tea and Sympathy, and guitarist Darren Middleton recorded an album named The Way Out with his band Drag." This is a fairly awkward sentence. "in a hiatus" doesn't sound right (on?), and there should be a comma after Vulture Street for flow.
*A number of low-value wikilinks, including "single" and "singer".
*The papers and magazines in the "Professional reviews" section should be wikilinked.
*2007 in 12 May 2007 should be wikilinked per WP:DATE.
*I don't think you need to note the previous record for the album sales chart, it doesn't add to the article and shouldn't be in the lead.
*Unnecessary internal links in the lead; "commenting" doesn't need to be wikilinked, as it should be clear to the reader that reviews of the album are located in Critical recognition. Same with "claims".
*"Strong critical reviews" doesn't read well. "positive critical reception" perhaps?
*The lead should tell the reader who the producer of the album was to summarise the article adequately.
*Is "Powderfinger" singular or plural? I've no preference either way, but the article is not consistent with regards to this.
*What is Triple J? "Australian radio station" should suffice in my opinion.
*"After just over a month in the studio on 2 March 2007, Fanning announced on Triple J that the tracking was complete and mixing the album was to follow, and gave an approximate release of June.[7] The album features famous session pianist, and previous pianist for Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Benmont Tench throughout." Both sentences need to be copyedited; I find them hard to follow
*"Several differences to previous recordings were undertaken in recording Dream Days at the Hotel Existence in order to achieve a different sound to previous albums." Also very unclear.
*"a brief blog". "a brief blog entry" would make more sense.
*"they'd" "they had". Contractions are generally seen as informal; there's several instances of these.
All these points suggest the article needs a thorough copyedit by an independent editor. I have a few more general suggestions.
*Direct quotes are uncited throughout the article.
*The succession box would be better placed at the bottom of the article.
*The Critical recognition section is full of one or two line paragraphs; these need expanding or merging.
Due to the volume of work needed, I'm afraid I'll have to fail this article. The content is there, it's just a number of stylistic and referencing issues that need correction. If you disagree with or want to clarify any of the points made in my review, feel free to contact me on my talk page. CloudNine 12:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

text: OK, I've gone through and made all the changes suggested (including the last three points, as best I could).  Any more comments? Giggy UCP 00:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-nominated for GA

message: I've just spent quite a bit of time fixing up the references in the article so that they are all consistent and have a retrieval date.  One step closer to GA status! I reckon we could just about renominate the article now, it's looking good. Slabba 09:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, G1ggy and I have listed it for peer review so perhaps with a bit of TLC and some broader project people editing we might be able to get it past GA and straight to FA, with any luck. At a glance, it meets the criteria for FA basically and just has some basic prose issues to contend with that should be eaasily dealt with in the WP:PR. --lincalinca 12:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think anyone at FAC would support a non GA article, Linca :P  But it's worth a try!  Before we do that though, have all of CloudNine's GA comments been addressed? That would be an obvious starting point. I'm gonna go through this with a very fine TLC comb at some stage and try to improve the prose too. Giggy UCP 22:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:a (fair representation):  b (all significant views): 
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I moved a few citations for WP:CITE and removed a few parentheses here and there to improve the prose.  My only remaining concern is the four paragraphs in the WP:LEAD.  If this can be reorganised to meet the guidelines (probably only two paragraphs required for an article of this length, possibly three at a push) then I'll gladly re-assess to push the article from being on-hold to being a good article.  Good work on addressing the previous reviews, by the way.  The Rambling Man 08:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Rambling Man. I actually made the lead that long because I'd been accosted (ok, possibly a bit of a strong word) upon writing them too short in the past. Can I ask your suggestion with regards to that: Do you want the same infoto be reconstructed into two or three paragraphs, or move one or two paragraphs into seperate sections of the article (or remove duplicated information from later in the article altogether)? I know your position is for GA, but from a peer review perspective, what would you say? --lincalinca 12:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I've just kind of done a bit of both of what I think you meant. I'm not sure really what else can be dropped out of the lead, to be honest, but we're down to three paragraphs, having trimmed some info out altogether, moved the chart info to chart performance section and got rid of the Bernard Fanning and Darren Middleton side project info and generalised that bit. --lincalinca 13:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think the lead is much better now, so I'm happy to remove the uncertainty over the compliance with the WP:MOS and promote.  Well done.  The Rambling Man 16:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA review 

message: For those who didn't notice, this article was peer reviewed.  Results of the review are copied below. Giggy UCP 23:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review 

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