Talk:January Events

message: What kind of citations are needed? There is more than enough information though it is in Lithuanian language (mostly). The trial is still on-going, but the factual information was already gathered for it. So there is no possibility for this page to be somehow one-sided or having insufficient claims for those Russian Wiki editors to add this 'insufficient' citations mark. Factual information confirms of soviet soldiers shooting unarmed citizens first  and videos can easily confirm it. so it seems like Russian wiki editors are just defending Soviet union. --91.233.177.98 (talk) 13:29, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you please provide links to those sources, including video evidence, that easily confirm this version of events? Preferably in English. 98.242.4.66 (talk) 07:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: On looking at the intro, I see that the author apparently envisages Wikipedia as a sort of the Lithuanian nationalist propaganda machine. Please grow up. Once you start pushing your POV and describing the actions of the central administration towards a region as "aggression", the answer will follow promptly, sometime symmetrical, sometimes not. --Ghirla | talk 15:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I have changed it to actions. What else? Renata 15:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After the title was NPOVed, I removed the tags. Now it needs to be proofread and grammar improved. --Ghirla | talk 15:43, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok then. Aggression, however, might be used by the central government against regions seeking independence - be it Iraqi Kurdistan in late 80s, Palestine, etc. DeirYassin 15:51, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: Speaks for itself. Thank you.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo request

message: Looking at the article, I just cannot say that it is written in a neutral way. It is definitely very biased. I would recommend putting "Neutrality is disputed" banner at the top of the page.
In addition, "January events" should be a disambiguation page. There have been awfully lot of events happened on January. This event is not the only one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimacq (talk • contribs)  1 August 2007
Agree with this report, at least we need to cite some controversies from former Defense Minister of Lithuania A. Butkyavichus: 
F.e. you can see controversy it in Russian Wiki: 
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%8B%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B2_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8E%D1%81%D0%B5_%281991%29#cite_note-9
I don't know who is right here, but there is no good in ignoring that claims:
In the materials of a series of interviews weekly "Obzor" for April-July 2000 [16], former Defense Minister of Lithuania A. Butkyavichus speaks to them and preparing provocations V. Landsbergis, a wider Sajudis, a KGB agent in its ranks.
Here is Russian news where Butkyavichus speaks about this event as a well planned action with predictable results.
http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1369522.html
Using translate.google.com
*Speaking April 14, 2000 in the Russian weekly television program "Week", Petkyavichyus said that "from the roofs of neighboring houses to the assembled crowd in the tower shot our" savanorisy "(translated from Lithuanian - Volunteers - IA REGNUM). This completely refutes the official version, according to which the January 13, 1991 Lithuanian citizens in the tower were killed by the bullets of troops of the Soviet Army and the collision of the Soviet armored vehicles. But the Lithuanian justice once again did not hear that statement.
*Lithuanian investigators also chose not to notice published in a 2003 book Pyatkyavichusa "Ship of Fools." It was written: "The conscience of Landsbergis and A. Butkyavichusa victim nights thirteenth day of January, as one came up and ordered another several dozen guards were dressed and kept out of the TV tower. It was they who fired down into the crowd ... I am with my own eyes seen when near my feet from the asphalt ricocheting bullets bounced off. " (P. 78).
*In an interview on "review" (14. 10. 2002) Petkyavichus told how he found out that people in the tower shot Lithuanian border guards. It turns out in 1993, all 18 guards came to the Diet to Petkyavichyusu complaining about the fact that they have deleted from the lists of participants in the events of January 13. "They told me that their boss Chesnulyavichus with a gun in his hand to put all the wall and said that if they are at least one word hint that they were on the TV tower - with them it is finished!" Ytro.ru
*There are also other evidence to support the involvement of militants Sajudis "to the January death of the victims. So, at the time of court hearing the case of the former leader of "Unity" Ivanov, in a criminal case there was testimony that, for almost an hour until a television tower near the Soviet paratroopers, in the darkness under the bushes "were lying on the ground the bodies of men .
*We also know that in 1 hour and 10 minutes the night on Jan. 13, 1991 from the windows of the building of the Supreme Council of the Republic of Lithuania Algimantas Kane priest began serving Mass for the victims of the Soviet army, starting it with the words: "They are the first sacrifices". At the same time, we know that the column with the paratroopers emerged from the tower at 1:00. 50 min. On the first victim was known in only 2 hours and 30 minutes. " *
50.53.48.197 (talk) 01:04, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality disputed (recommended) 

message: During the following day, meetings of support took place in many cities (Kiev, Riga, Tallinn).
The meeting in Riga was scheduled on 12 January, before attack on TV Tower, to support Latvian governmet, while I haven't learned if the theme of demonstration was or not fully changed, this sentence should be reworded otherwise it implies that this was spontaneous act of support ---- Xil/talk 19:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support meetings 

message: In my view, January 1991 events in Latvia and this article should be merged. They're inextricably linked. --Pēteris Cedriņš (talk) 17:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge and/or integrate very differently 

message: Was the Vilnius TV tower ever occupied during the events? If so, when and by whom? --Bensin (talk) 10:18, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for clarification about Vilnius TV tower 

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message: 104.174.104.144 (talk) 19:18, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccurate information about CIA involvement.  

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. There is no consensus that this topic is WP:PRIMARY for "January Events", so it should stay at the disambiguated location.   (t · c) buidhe 05:33, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: January Events (Lithuania) →  – Originally at January Events, moved to January Events (Lithuania) in 2009 to distinguish from January 1991 events in Latvia. That distinction is unnecessary now as the latter article has been moved to The Barricades. This should be moved back to the plain title. JIP | Talk 09:59, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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message: In the infobox it says that there were some Soviet losses, but there are no sources to them, so shouldn’t be the Soviet losses change to none? And also, this could be biased but, no Lithuanian source or documentation cites that there was a Soviet loss. AdmiralDoorKnob (talk) 11:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The Soviet death was Viktor Viktorovich Shatskikh, who was shot by another Soviet soldier. I don't think anyone disputes this, and there are plenty of sources that can be used to back this up. You asked for a Lithuanian source, so here is one from the Seimas website. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 02:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soviet losses