Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles/Archive 8

message: I just wanted to note that Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Transportation is a page that we can use to track automobile-related articles that are up for deletion.  If you see an auto-related AfD, feel free to add it to that page.  The page has actually been around for a while, and has only recently seen more use.  But if it starts to get enough automobile articles on it, then we could split out the automobile articles at that point.  --Interiot 03:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for deletion 

message: I am bringing this merge nomination of these two pages of TVR Cerbera Speed 12 and TVR Speed 12, one is they look like two separate pages that needs joining together and the other, as I am not sure which one of these two is the official name and it is in need of a cleanup. Feel free to make your views known here. Willirennen 02:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, TVR Cerbera Speed 12 has very little in it except for information that ought to be in an infobox.  Conversely, TVR Speed 12 has the look of something that might one day be a good article - but mostly what it desperately needs is an Infobox.  So - I would definitely take the former article - turn it into an official infobox and stick it into the top of the second article.  Then make the first article be a simple redirect to the second one.   Then all you need (deperately!) is a picture and you're well on the way to making a pretty decent article.  Good work! SteveBaker 02:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have already merged the page together after googling the Speed 12 name, which indicatged the former is the latter name and some small cleanup, all it needs is more cleanup. Willirennen 18:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was merged to the correct name (the name is TVR Cerbera Speed 12). Such a strange car. James086Talk 23:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another merge proposal is as I know I am going to sound like a merge happy killjoy for saying this but do you think I should merge the TVR Speed Twelve engine page into that already merged page above, as no other cars has the engine and the category for TVR engines only has the Tuscan engine which appears in several other cars in the range. Otherwise the engine I'm referring to should be known as the AJP-12, considering it consists of two joined up AJP-6 engines. What do you think. Willirennen 01:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, go for it. It's out of place to have an article on an engine used in 1 car (one model and there was only 1 produced I think). Is there anything else we can merge into it? ;) James086Talk 03:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Already merged the pages, all I know these articles came from two separate issues of the Evo Magazine (presumably January 2003 and May 2005) which I won both copies (obviously for the article for that car), I wish I could fish them out but at the moment, it is too much of a burden at the moment as they are bagged up with my other car magazines. I will be back to finish the rest later. Willirennen 16:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal of TVR Cerbera Speed 12 and TVR Speed 12 

message: For cars that have a wide model range, should we do a wikitable with the engines and bodystyle combinations, similar to the Audi A4 article's??
I did this to the Renault 21 article: anyone else want to do the same for other articles?? --SunStar Nettalk 13:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's a good idea for cars with very complex sets of body/engine combinations.  The infobox is intended to be a really quick way to get the basic data together in a form that's homogeneous across car articles - but if things get too complicated then by all means put it into the body of the article.  I definitely wouldn't assume that all articles need that though - some cars just have one or two engines and one body style - or a couple of body styles and one engine - and the infobox along with a couple of sentences in the text is plenty.  Then there are others (the Mini is once again my example) where the same basic body took about a dozen different engines over a 40 year period with three or four engine options being available at any one time, often depending on where in the world you bought your car.  The format of table you have for Audi A4 and Renault 21 don't suite that kind of thing at all!  So I don't want to see all of this stuff ending up in the infobox because it destroys it's value as a quick basis for comparisons - and I don't want to see some kind of rigidly imposed additional Wikitable that everyone is supposed to adhere to.  Outside of the infobox I believe that each article must organise the information in whatever way is optimal for that specific kind of car. SteveBaker 15:23, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake, Steve. I added it to the Austin Ambassador article as well. I'm aware of IPs doing this too. --SunStar Nettalk 15:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We need to get rid of that advertising image from Austin Ambassador - we've gotta be able to find a photo of one of those (although the cars are getting fairly rare now) - I wonder if there is an owner's club. SteveBaker 17:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The guy at the Leyland Princess owners club (the Ambassador is just a re-styled Princess) was happy to provide me with a couple of Ambassador photos under GFDL (it's usually the case that these club folks will happily give you free-use photos - you just have to ask nicely). SteveBaker 12:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infoboxes 

message: Most of the Nissan Versa info has moved to the Nissan Tiida page already. Is it okay if you change to Nissan Versa page to a redirect of the Nissan Tiida page? -- Bull-Doser 02:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can do it yourself...but may I strongly suggest that you put a sentence into the very first paragraph that explains that the Versa and the Tiida are the same car - and put the words 'Nissan Versa' in boldface.  Otherwise, people who search for the Versa find themselves at a page that appears to be about a completely different car.  They probably won't read past the first couple of sentences before giving up and assuming that Wikipedia is screwed up somehow.  So it's vitally important to mention both names in the very first sentence or so. SteveBaker 12:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed about highlighting the names. I think merging articles like this is very sensible, but we need to make sure readers know why they've been redirected. Remember that this is an encyclopedia for general readers. Many of them will not know about market-specific naming conventions. I've been bold. --DeLarge 12:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nissan Versa/Nissan Tiida

message: There are many ways to steal a car. The way that I used to use is popping out the ignition. If anyone would like me to write an article about it, I'm here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.160.23.111 (talk) 18:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not even sure how to respond to this. Umm, thank you? Roguegeek (talk) 23:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You should probably check out our existing article on this topic: Hotwiring.  Popping the ignition switch is something that's getting less and less viable though - many newer cars have RFID tags (or similar) in their keys that the cars computer checks on (often in conjunction with the remote keyless entry system).  So it's irrelevent what wires are connected to what wires - if the Engine Control Unit computer doesn't cooperate with running the engine - you're going nowhere.  You've either got to steal the key first - or it's down to using a tow truck. SteveBaker 01:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Car theft 

message: I'm done with writing the Mini Moke article - it's passed WP:GAC so I guess I might as well shoot for WP:FAC.  The biggest problem is that it's a little short - but that's all there is to say about this weird little vehicle. The candidacy page is Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mini Moke - feel free to shoot it down in flames! SteveBaker
:Oh yeah, and if you hadn't noticed the front page, Maserati MC12 is also a FAC(Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Maserati MC12). All feedback is very welcome. James086Talk 07:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That last oppose you got is of those bloody annoying "I think your article has poor standards of English" complaints where they give you no clue what they don't like and make no effort to help you fix it.  I have a deep hatred of that kind of thing!  I've decided to call them "Drive-by 'oppose's".  I couldn't see anything too horrible in terms of grammar/punctuation - but then the last FAC I did got shot down in the exact same way - I never did find out what they didn't like. SteveBaker 17:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They can oppose for that reason if they like. I got a friend to copyedit (most of) the article last night in my account so at least some good came out of it. Besides, Raul654 will no doubt check before making it featured. It shouldn't be a problem. I will ask for some clarification from the opposer. James086Talk 06:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mini Moke is a WP:FAC 

message: Hi, I've been uploading a few car pictures from Yahoo! Groups to the Wikimedia Commons.  The Yahoo! Groups images mainly came from the Yahoo! user who took the car picture, however.  Look at the Pontiac Sunbird page. -- Bull-Doser 05:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It states that you are the author, which isn't the case. It's not pd-self. And do you have clear permission from the actual authors of the photos to use them? IFCAR 12:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Car Images From Yahoo! Groups

message: If anyone interested could take a look at Talk:Mercury (automobile) I'd appreciate it. I'd like to take care of a content dispute. --Sable232 16:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mercury 

message: After a short meander this evening, I discovered myself at the Intercooler page. Which was fine, until I realised a little mess that I think needs tidied up. Currently we have the following situation:
* An intercooler page (6.7 kB), which contains a large section on charge coolers.
* A charge cooler page (775 bytes), which is a stub containing less info on charge coolers than intercooler does.
* Two further pages for top mounted intercoolers (4 kB) and front mounted intercoolers (1.7 kB).
I think it's slightly bizarre to have thee pages to describe an intercooler when, especially when each page is so short. So I'm going to put merge tags on the pages with the idea of the following:
* Move most of the charge cooler content in intercooler to charge cooler, which will remove a lot of its stubbiness (grow it to 3 kB?).
* Merge the contents of top mounted intercooler and front mounted intercooler into intercooler (which will grow to about 8 kB), and make the other two pages redirects.
I'd normally just be bold, but I'm a sociable mood for once, and since all the articles seem to have been in existence for a while and been contributed to by editors of note, I thought I'd informally discuss the proposed changes here before I formally tag everything. It'd also be easier to have a centralised discussion, rather than risk having the conversations spread across four talk pages. --DeLarge 19:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cool(er) it 

message: Should this project also include automotive magazines like Motor Trend and tv shows such as Top Gear? They're currently not in the scope of the project. Any thoughts? Bear in mind that they might be covered by other projects aswell such as WikiProject British TV shows (for Top Gear). James086Talk 13:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they are included. Have a look at Category:Automotive television series and Category:Automobile magazines. However, I think we could do without Category:Road accidents which mainly seems to add a list of so called celebrities. Malcolma 16:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I think is that there should be a true automobile magazine article (this is currently a redirect to Automobile Magazine), which should describe them and include something about its history. -- NaBUru38 02:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope of the Project 

message: Can someone take a look at this article?? --sunstar nettalk 15:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Two things I'd recommend, without even reading through it: an  template to liven up the opening section, and some references as per WP:OR and WP:RS. Regards, --DeLarge 16:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Holden New Zealand]] 

message: In case anyone's interested, there's a deletion debate about the Pioneer Supertuner. --Mereda 11:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Transportation so hopefully a few more people might see it. James086Talk 11:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio in classic cars 

message: As recently, as I have a lot of these modern Japanese, sports and supercars pages on my watchlist which has been on videogames, I have noticed that they all have become a list for videogame appearances rather than being squeezed into one paragraph or incorporated into an article, what do you think would be the best thing for them, though I know somebody once suggested deletig the list what do you think. Willirennen 23:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, if a certain car appears in a couple of racing games, that information should go in one paragraph or bullet in a "trivia" or "xxx in popular culture" section. Nothing more, nothing less. -- NaBUru38 02:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cars in videogames 

message: I uploaded a batch, if you put some into articles, if you want to, you can insert more into their respective articles., or give feedback. 
here
Karrmann 22:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uploaded a new batch 

message: I am going to be workign hard tonight, I am going to overhaul the Mercury Grand Marquis, Honda Accord, adn possibly Honda Civic to make them read less like lists/timelines. Karrmann 03:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Working overtime tonight! 

message: Jeffreyherman had done several edits to the minivan article... well, he almost rewrote it completely. I took the versions before and after his modifications, merged them and added some relevant and missing sections (Characteristics and Segments). Some sections still need a big ovherhaul, so I suggest to discuss it before making any other revamp. Please go to the article's talk page to do this. -- NaBUru38 05:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oooh, an article with "mini" in the title. See if you can fool User:SteveBaker into working on it. --DeLarge 00:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minivan article 

message: Looks like Mini Moke got promoted to Featured Article today.  That brings this project to an all-time high of five car articles and two related articles that have made it to FA so far.  I'll put it up for the front page ASAP. SteveBaker 22:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maserati MC12 also made it. When the new model launches, and all the specualtive stage is done, I will run the Taurus again. Hopefully it will pass this time. Karrmann 22:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah - I saw that Maserati MC12 made it - excellent news!  But on our project page it's listed in boldface which is supposed to mean that it's been on the WP main page already - I don't recall seeing it there - and there is no note on the Talk: page to indicate that it ever was there.  If I'm right and it never was on the main page then I'd suggest adding it to the list of front page FA requests (you know that your FA won't be on the front page unless someone requests it - right?)...except that I just nominated Mini Moke to go there and if we try to get two car articles on the front page too close together, the organisers will say "I think we're seeing too many car articles here" and bounce one of them...which would be **VERY BAD**...so if you do need to nominate it - you might want to wait a month.  Good luck with Ford Taurus - it's a great article - it deserves to make it.  Now that the 2007 MINI is out, I should probably start adding all of that new stuff into MINI (BMW)  and try to get that one through FAC too.  Once that is done, all possible articles about cars that are any good will have been on the Wikipedia front page and the universe will be complete - cue the horsemen of the apocalypse, etc.  :-) SteveBaker 23:31, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I wasn't thinking of renominating it until this fall, when the new Taurus will be out, and the whole "speculative" thing will be over, because it will never make it with the fifth generation being all specualtion as it is. So, there will be a reasonable sized gap between them. Karrmann 23:36, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I just realised I had bolded Maserati MC12 when I added it to the featured content section. It hasn't been on the main page so it's no longer bold. I will put in a request for main page, but will note that it should be separated from other car articles. James086Talk 01:53, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mini Moke]] made FA! 

message: The 2 templates:
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There are a total of 12 articles currently tagged with this template. Is the portal part of this wikiproject, and if so, is there any reason the portal selection shouldn't be an option within this wikiproject template, rather than having a template on its own? There could be an optional parameter such as portal=yes that would generate a bit of text in the main WikiProject Automobiles template. Gimmetrow 03:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's tempting to automate this stuff further - but frankly, if we are sticking with the policy that only FA's and GA's are allowed into the portal featured article section, then it's hardly worth the effort.  As you say - a grand total of 12 articles qualify - it's hardly worth the effort.  The number is inching up very slowly - but articles are being de-listed about as fast as we create new ones.  New FA's are appearing at a rate of about one every four months...and disappearing at about one every six months.  Frankly, I doubt many people even look at our portal - it changes very rarely - and the featured articles recycle every 12 days or so - so you'd be watching it for less than two weeks before you noticed it cycling back again.  The bottom line is the same as always - we have VAST number of car articles - but most of them are very poor quality. SteveBaker 04:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't think it was that much effort so I have changed the template to include the feature  (it doesn't show up unless activated with portal=yes). This is what it would look like on a talk page: User:James086/sandbox. Of course the image and text can be changed because it doesn't show up unless the variable is activated. Any comments? James086Talk 12:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is a movement to reduce talk page template multiplication, and putting "portal selected article" templates inside the wikiproject template is one thing being proposed. Sandbox form looks nice to me, though the check-ok image looks a little odd in this context. Gimmetrow 16:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I thought but I just grabbed a neutral image. Are there any images associated with the portal? Perhaps this  would be suitable? James086Talk 22:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text:  That is the image currently used on the portal template. Or you could just use text; see Talk:Flag of Armenia for an example of this approach. Gimmetrow 02:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok I have changed it to the red car image. I put it on Talk:Maserati MC12 (it doesn't get much traffic). I would prefer there to be an image even if it's tiny like the current one, but if others want text only it can easily be changed. If there are no objections we can start replacing the  with this small box. I have included the category (:Category:Cars Portal selected articles) in the wikiproject template and it's only activated if portal=yes. James086Talk 09:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Portal:Cars selected article

message: I am thinking of putting the image Image:Ford Mondeo ST220 Blue.jpg up as a featured picture canidate. What do you say? Karrmann 05:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah - it's nice.  Shame he felt the need to block out the license plate though - it makes a blank hole in the picture that just screams at me. But yes - I think it stands a chance.  Put it up for nomination. SteveBaker 05:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Image 

message: Hi,
I am a student from Thunderbird School of Global Management. I am doing a survey for International Marketing Research Class. I need your opinions about Chinese Car in U.S. Market. If you are american permanent resident, please take only 5 minutes to do the survey. This survey is anonymous. Thank you so much for your kindly help.
This is the link for survey
http://new.qualtrics.com/SE?SID=SV_8ddicd4IgkmRkMI&SVID=Prod
I appreciate your help.
Jennifer Chen
: I think you are missing some very important options - for example - performance (speed, acceleration, road-handling) is a very important criteria for deciding which car I might buy - and it's nowhere on your list.  Your list of features I absolutely must have before I would buy a particular car is hopelessly short...there are many other features that I can't live without. SteveBaker 23:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auto Survey: Chinese Car in U.S. Market 

message: If anyone's interested, the Mitsubishi i page is now a good article candidate. I think it has a reasonable chance, if for no other reason than the automated peer review it received didn't seem to find much fault with it. But we'll see how it fares. My first time trying for GA, so maybe I've overlooked something and someone's about to kick over my sandcastles. --DeLarge 00:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mitsubishi i

message: Hello, I am HB4026. I have quite an intrest in cars and I think I have alot to offer in vechile information. For example check out the Ford AU Falcon (an Australian car) article that I have greatly modified. How do I become a member? It would be greatly appreciated if anybody can tell me.
Thanks. HB4026 03:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do I become a member? 

message: Please could someone help me out with this article, it needs a complete rewrite and I'm not sure how to go about it?? Thanks, --sunstar nettalk 10:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Toyota Hiace]] 

message: I tagged Chevrolet Cavalier as needing a complete rewrite. I currently have my hands full with Honda Civic, so can somebody tend to it? Karrmann 21:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Chevrolet Cavalier]] 

message: The Mini Moke article is scheduled to be on the Wikipedia front-page on March 12th...although sometimes they make last-minute changes in the line-up and due to whatever timezone the guy who maintains the front page is in, sometimes the article appears the preceding day and vanishes later in the day - sometimes it shows up late and hangs around until the following day.  It will be only the seventh car article ever to make it onto the front page. SteveBaker 17:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mini Moke]] on the WP front page! 

message: In automobile-related articles we have a huge problem, we can hardly link two groups of things: ideas and words. People can imagine or see things, and then choose a word to describe them. We imagine a vehicle with four wheels that can carry a few people and/or objects, and then we call it "automobile" and not a truck or a motorbike.
Besides relatively low automobiles that carry around five passengers, there are other automobile types: those that are good for driving in rough and uneven terrains; those that are built to be driven fast; those that are taller and in which people seat more upright; those with many rows of seats; those with a large empty cargo area and a roof, or without roof... Then people invent words to name them: sport utility vehicle, sports car, multi-purpose vehicle, van, pickup truck.
Automobiles like a Jeep Wrangler or a Land Rover Defender are built to be driven off-road; some of their mechanical features (body-on-frame chassis, live axle) are used on a Cadillac Escalade and a Hummer H2, but aren't that good in those terrains. Some automobiles like the Suzuki Vitara or the Range Rover don't have some of those features, but are better for off-road use than the second group (due to pneumatic suspension or good ground clerance or better tracion system). And some automobiles like the Audi A4 Quattro or the Lamborghini Murciélago are designed only for even asphalt and gravel roads, but also feature four-wheel drive.
English language has some words that are used for different things by different people. A 4WD may not mean the same as an AWD in some regions, although both acromymns mean four-wheel drive. In the United Kingdom, almost noone would call a Land Rover Defender or a Suzuki Vitara a "sport utility vehicle"; "off-road vehicle" includes quads, dirt bikes and other vehicles, and "4x4" includes automobiles not suited for muddy surfaces. People-carrier, minivan and multi-purpose vehicle may or may not mean the same automobile type.
The same happens in other languages. Spanish has a word that means "a sedan, hatchback or station wagon" and is translated as "touring car" (that's why touring car racing is called like that). Most people would never use it in everyday talk, but it's the right word for the Spanish-language version of Wikipedia. But Spanish also has a very populaar umbrella word that includes pickup trucks, sport utility vehicles, vans and minivans: "camioneta". This word is used a lot in informal conversations and is imprecise enough not to be useful to describe an automobile.
There is some debate in some automobile model and classification articles on how to relate these ideas and words. How should we call an automobile suited for off-road driving? What is a crossover utility vehicle? How to call an Escalade, which isn't that good off-road as a Range Rover but is "stronger"? What's the difference between a 12-seater full-size van and an 8-seater large MPV? Is a pickup truck, van or sport utility vehicle an automobile the same way as a convertible, a station wagon or a hatchback? Are sport utility vehicle and minivan body styles, or are they station wagons and hatchbacks depending on the rear end's size?
I think the main talk should be done here... Wow, that was long! -- NaBUru38 21:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The big discussion

message: Please see contributions of  - all his contributions seem to be hoaxes, or crystal-balling. --sunstar nettalk 14:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He also is just creating a bunch of one line articles. All of them are up for deletion. Karrmann 11:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hoaxer?? 

message: This has been listed at Wikipedia:Requested moves as an "uncontroversial move" to be redirected to Mazda3. On the grounds that this Project recommends the home market name, I moved it to the "controversial moves" section and created a discussion section. Please feel free to contribute your views on the talk page. --DeLarge 23:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mazda Axela]] 

message: I have nominated the article Holden VE Commodore for FAC (Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Holden VE Commodore). It would be greatly appreciated if anyone participated in the process, or added their thoughts about the article. Regards OSX 08:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holden VE Commodore 

message: I see that the Autobianchi Primula article is listed as a 'Good Article' - but it has no photo of the car.  Surely someone has a photo of one of these that we can use. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SteveBaker (talk • contribs) 15:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Autobianchi Primula]] 

message: I created this RfC for Bull-Doser. please fill it out, I can't right now cause I gotta get to school! BD's RfC. Karrmann 11:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bull DOser RfC 

message: This new user is persistently adding imagniary factoids (in other words, utter rubbish) to car articles, usually referring to their alleged marketing in Asian countries. See articles on Saturn vehicles and the Saturn brand for examples. I do not want to engage in pointless edit wars with him, and I am not sure what procedure should be started in that case. I would be obliged if anybody in the know (perhaps an admin) took appropriate action. Thanks, PrinceGloria 14:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, as far as I know, the Saturn Aura was never exported to Asia. It is a North America only model, same with Saturn. They are not exported. Karrmann 14:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reported him to the AN. Karrmann 14:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Teddy.Coughlin]] 

message: I've been looking for this myself, and haven't found it so I presume it doesn't exist yet. This can be done very simple or complex, but the idea is the same:
Creating a list with statistics about cars that can be compared. This should make the reader be able to sort on all sorts of different statistics. You can make it very simple by making 1 huge list where readers can sort on various statistics. Over time it can evolve into something more complex where you can, for instance, select only a certain car brand, or date. A database of car info... it surely makes me excited. Obviously there will be problems like the accuracy of some figures, but I just want to know if this is something that is possible without: to much technical difficulty, and not to much work (iaw, can some of the current data be used).
Some Statistics that could be listed: Name, Brand, Year, Size, Weight, BHP, Torque, How many Turbo's, How many Supercharges, Braking Distance, power/weight ratio, engine, chassis, fuel consumption, wheelbase, top speed, acceleration, etc etc. MarijnSwenne 03:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am afraid Wikipedia is not the best place to store such automotive trump cards. There are many sites online that can provide that kind of data, though. PrinceGloria 04:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You could certainly compile this information here - and probably (if you are able to write Wiki 'bots) it could be automated and re-run frequently to keep it up to date.  Most of our car articles use standard info-boxes - and the data should be very easy to extract from them into a single page - and looking at the "What links here" entry for :Template:Infobox_Automobile would find all of the pages that have infoboxes.  I am a little concerned about whether such pages belong in Wikipedia - although there are precedents - List of Pokémon for example.  For me, personally, I'd say "YES!!!" - but then I'm an 'inclusionist' - lots of people will say no. SteveBaker 05:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion: Automobile Statistics Comparison 

message: I'm amazed at the poor state of this article.  It used to be an FA (but has since been demoted) - right now, I wouldn't rate it GA even (although it has an 'A-class' label on it right now).   What it mostly needs is references - lots of references.  I find it hard to believe that nobody here is a 'muscle car' fan - and there must be a bazillion books written on the Mustang that are sitting on people's shelves just waiting to be cited.  Someone needs to spruce up this article - the Mustang is a really important car and it's shameful that it's not an FA again.  I'd offer to do it - but I just don't know anything much about American cars.  SteveBaker 05:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have said in the assessment departement's talk page, I demoted the Mustang article to B-Class. An A-class article will commonly have passed the GA process and needs in-line refs. Signaturebrendel 06:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ford Mustang]] 

message: The Holden VE Commodore article is nearing the end of its FAC (Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Holden VE Commodore). I would be grateful if anyone could give their opinion on the article, so it can be awarded FA status. OSX 06:39, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holden VE Commodore FAC 

message: I don't know how familiar other editors are with this page. Last year, around the time a lot of listcrufty articles were being AfD'd (List of automobiles that were commercial failures, List of successful automobiles, List of automotive flops, etc), I came across this list. It was in a bit of a mess, but I managed to reference pretty much everything and get it to a respectable state, and it was even cited by a NZ newspaper in a piece about the Lada Riva.
However, there has been ongoing issues on the talk page; the title doesn't accurately represent the content for starters -- the Honda Super Cub is the bestselling vehicle of all. Also, marque-fans have been adding figures for cars which are not bestselling anythings (specifically Austin Motor Company and Rover (car)), most of which aren't cited. I deliberately avoided overpopulating the page while I was tidying, but I'm fighting a losing battle here.
Of greater concern to me is the original research. The list was numbered manually when I got there, and I used "#" to auto-number it for future editors' benefit. However, the resulting rankings on the page are entirely arbitrary; the Lada Riva may only be in the top 10 because of omissions or inaccuracies. 
To overcome this, I'm proposing to alphabetize/tabulate it and move it to List of automobiles by sales, which I'm doing in one of my userspace sandbox pages. To compensate for the fact that we're losing the "bestsellers", I've also created List of bestselling automobiles, which will be a list of genuine bestsellers who've been cited as such. The two pages can cross-reference each other. However, I wouldn't mind some feedback to make sure I'm not overlooking anything. --DeLarge 18:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of bestselling vehicle nameplates]] 

message: :D Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Wiarthurhu. Voice your opinions! Karrmann 11:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiarthurhu for admin