Talk:Katyusha rocket launcher

message: "The weapon was also known as a "Stalin Organ" (or Stalinorgel in German), so named by German troops due to the sound of its rockets, and its organ-like appearance (the missile tubes were arranged in parallel along its back, just as organ tubes are arranged)." (emphasis added)
The usual wording is "organ pipes". It's no big deal, but I'll change it. (OTOH, I see from today's paper that it was a big deal for Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) when, advocating his telecommunications bill, he spoke of "Internet tubes" instead of pipes.) --ChrisWinter 22:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the reference to its appearance altogether.  Zaloga (1984) and others only refer to the sound.  Early in the war the Katyushas were kept very secret, and it's possible that the name Stalinorgel was coined by Germans who had never even seen one.  —Michael Z. 2006-08-07 21:39 Z
 
I seem to recall that it was the Russian nickname that resulted from the sound they made. The multi-faceted noise the rockets made upon launching sort of sounded like: "kut-YOOSH-ah." I can't remember where I read or heard this and could not find a confirmation on the 'net.--Hezekiah-1812 19:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Several sources are clear that the nickname comes from the song, which was a big hit at the time, although I'm not sure why it was associated with the rocket launcher.  —Michael Z. 2006-08-08 20:48 Z
No doubt the song inspired. But why that song and not another? And why nickname that weapon and not another with that song. I think the nexus is onomatopoeia--which I can barely spell, let alone prove. Is there a Russian source I might query?Hezekiah-1812 19:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Organ tubes?

message: : The development of the Katyusha rocket launcher was a response to Nazi Germany's development of the six-barreled Nebelwerfer rocket mortar in 1936.
This statement needs a reference.  —Michael Z. 2006-08-04 02:22 Z
:: Particularly since the Nebelwerfer was fielded for the first time well after the katyushas. DMorpheus 15:50, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Particularly since the Nebelwerfer was fielded for the first time well after the katyushas." That's irrelevant as the Nebelwerfer was developed years before Katyusha. --Kurt Leyman 17:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to Nebelwerfer?

message: I don't really see how the photo of a partially wrecked apartment building in Haifa contributes to this article.  It's a current event documentary photo, and doesn't say anything about Katyusha rocket launchers.  Is there a good reason not to remove it? —Michael Z. 2006-09-15 00:40 Z
:These are weapons and weapons are intended to cause death and destruction. Showing some of the destructive power of a weapon is part of explaining it and explanation is what an encyclopedia is about. The article has two launch photos and no target photos — seems biased to me. I'm not partial to this particular one (which seems to be unsourced The annotation does not explicitly say that the destruction was caused by a Katyusha.) — some from WWII would do fine. --Jtir 00:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo of damaged building

message: According to the article RS-82 rocket RS doesn't mean Raketny Snaryad but Reaktivny Snaryad. – Ilse@ 00:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Russian

message: Section "Katyushas since World War II" contain information about stereotypes.--Berserkerus 14:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which statements are stereotyped?  I don't understand what you mean about the BM-13. —Michael Z. 2007-08-03 19:41 Z
A mention could be made of the Katyushas use at Dien Bien Phu during the First Indochina War:
"From about 4pm on 6 May [1954]. . . saw the unleashing of a wholly new weapon in Heavy Division 351's armoury: the 'Stalin organs'. These six tube banks of Chinese rocket projectors announced their presence with a monstrous screeching" - Windrow, Martin, The Last Valley pg 600-601  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.156.90.233 (talk) 16:06, August 29, 2007 (UTC) 
What exactly is a Katyusha? It's not the BM-13 specifically, so is it just a Russian term for multiple rocket launchers in general? —Masterblooregard (talk) 12:07, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Katyushas since World War II

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* You have a broken link in the External links section.  It is noted, but it really shouldn't be there at all.
* All references that include a link to a website should have an access date.
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* The lead should not have any new information in it.  Instead, it should be a summary of the entire article; for an article of this length, two solid paragraphs is appropriate.  New information should be moved to the body of the article, and all refs should be in the body, rather than the lead.
As I said before, I am not delisting this article as a GA, nor am I taking it to GAR.  However, I would strongly suggest that the editors address the points above, so that these steps are not taken against the article in the future by another editor.  Drop a note on my talk page if you have any questions about these comments, as I am not watchlisting this page. Dana boomer (talk) 19:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hasty GA Review

message: Someone redirected BM-14 to here, so now there's nothing about it. Should this article cover any post-WWII launchers, or should the other be restored? --ZBrisk (talk) 23:57, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be restored. This article should be an overview article about "Katyusha" rockets/rocket launchers. As the term is applied to a variety of weapons/weapons systems, the individual notable systems should be in separate articles. 76.66.193.119 (talk) 05:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I also think it should be restored, currently there is no information about the BM-14 in this article. Phoib (talk) 19:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: BM-14 Redirection

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also the experimental Klementi Vorochilov KV-6 Behemoth of 1941 had a rocket launcher to one of its turrets  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:580:F197:9600:451B:B887:DDFD:8550 (talk) 21:26, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
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message: There used to be an audio file of the katyushas launching. What happened to it? I tried the links from the bot-posted section, but they all led to a deleted file with no explanation. Why was it deleted? DrZygote214 (talk) 12:56, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to the Katyusha audio? 

message: There doesn't appear to be any discussion in this article or the linked "variants" articles regarding the design of the rockets themselves. 125.254.43.66 (talk) 02:05, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rocket design? 

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message: Why does it say used by Soviet Union and others? Who are the others? MadHatterMusk (talk) 01:52, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Katyusha Rocket Launcher 

message: This article is missing many inline citations. Is it time for WP:GAR? User:Mzajac. Schierbecker (talk) 07:29, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it time for a good article reassessment? 

message: In this article it is claimed, it happened on July 14, 1941 - citing Eremenko ( I guess it is Yeremenko). 
However according to Marshal Yeremenko it was on July 15, 1941 : " We first tried out this superb weapon at Rudnaya, north-west of Smolensk. In the afternoon of July 15, the earth shook with the unusual explosion of jet mines. Like red tailed comets, the mines were hurled into the air. The frequent and dazzling explosions, the like of which had never been seen, struck the imagination. The effect of the simultaneous explosion of dozen of these mines was terrific. The Germans fled in panic, and even our own troops near the point of of the explosions, who for reasons of secrecy had not been warned that this new weapon would be used, rushed back from the front line."
 
Source: Voyenno-istoricheskii zhurnal (Historico-Military Journal), 1959, No. 1, p. 51 , quoted by IVOVSS , printed in Alexander Werth, Russia at War, 1941-1945. : https://books.google.dk/books?redir_esc=y&hl=da&id=v2SCDwAAQBAJ&q=yeremenko#v=snippet&q=yeremenko&f=false
Would someone please double check which date is correct ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.71.142.188 (talk) 13:31, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning the date for the first use of the Katyusha in battle 

message: :Greetings, this article passed a GAR on 25 August 2008. On the next day  made in-depth comments in the "Hasty GA Review" section concerning the article state, that it was a hasty review, and the problem might have been an inexperienced reviewer.
:On 25 January 2023,  commented in the "Is it time for a good article reassessment?" section with inline citations issues. I am not sure but this may have been agreed with by .
:A major problem is that the article fails the WP:B-class criteria (#1), likely back to 2008: . In my opinion the article qualifies as a "quick fail" according to at least WP:GAFAIL (#3). 
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thread_title:  Article reassessment