Talk:Singing Revolution

message: Congress of Estonia (Eesti Kongress) is not Estonian Parliament (Riigikogu). According to this Estonian article http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eesti_Kongress Congress of Estonia was alternative (to the Estonian Supreme Soviet) parliament of the country near the end of the Soviet period. When the anti-Gorbachev coup d'etat failed to subdue the democrats across USSR, on 20 august of 1991 the leadership of the Congress, the Comitte of Estonia agreed to join together with the Supreme Soviet (see here http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eesti_Komitee) in show of national unity, declaring Estonia independent, drafting the constitution and finally calling to election of the Riigikogu, the real parliament of the country replacing both the Supreme Soviet and the Congress
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thread_title:  ERR0R 

message: Singing was form of resistance in all three countries, like it or not, my history book states: "Again the forrbiden red-white-red flag was used openly and latvian songs were sung, that is the reason why it, same as in Lithuania and Estonia, was named the singing revolution" -- Xil/talk 17:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  True. Digwuren 02:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

text: References provided. Martintg 01:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes, all baltic states 

message: Koidula's non-censorship was not miraculous, but a calculated act of altering Estonian history by the Soviets.  Specifically, Soviets reframed Koidula's desire for independence as desire for independence from Baltic Germans, and depicted that as cardinally different from the desire of independence from Soviet Union. Digwuren 02:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soviet-era censors 

message: Theres the matter of independence regained. RJ CG is trying to claim that singing revolution had nothing to do with regaining independence... Also. the after is a bit... erm.. Wrong? Estonia became independent in August, soviet union transformed into CIS in the end of the year...--Alexia Death the Grey 16:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Estonia was kicked out of soviet union!? 

message: I deleted a big chunk of text from this article today because it was pretty clearly copy-and-pasted from this site.
However, even if the text had all been copyright-free, I would still have quick-failed this article because it lacks sufficient references.  Statements like  and  and  all need some sort of reliable source that indicates from the where the underlying factual material has been drawn (precisely so that we can avoid the sort of copyrighted text that was in the article before).  Keep in mind that I'm just cherry picking a few instances where this is the case; many, many such statements need references here.  Without those sorts of references, the article can't be a Good Article.  If you have any questions, please contact me on my talk page.  Cheers! Esrever 22:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  copyrighted text and failed [[WP:GAC|Good Article]] review 

message: I have substantially rewritten the first paragraph, a summary of the lead-up to the Singing Revolution. It was not as well-translated as the rest of the information and as an introduction it was rather too partisan for the NPOV perspective Wikipedia prefers. However I tried not to downplay the mendacity of the Soviet Union, rather I tried to upgrade long-term factors (access to the West, the release of pressure on dissidents after the fall of Andropov and Chernenko and the accession of Gorbachev) and I put some things into better English phraseology rather than the pidgin in which it was written. Hope it doesn't offend too many people and I took care not to completely erase any personal sentiments expressed therein. I am not a Balt myself but have studied the process of transition from the perspective of the Baltic States as a whole and therefore cannot really say whether the term Singing Revolution applies to Estonia only or to all three countries. I would have thought, though, that the importance of folk music and song festivals to Latvia in particular and Lithuania in all probability suggests that they did have "Singing Revolutions" of their own. Perhaps someone from these two countries could be found to comment on it? Lstanley1979 (talk) 17:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wrote the Background section, I hoped someone will eventualy polish it up and I'm not going to be offended if you change it. BTW I allready commented on it here. Latvians call this period (at least the part of it until January 1991) singing revolution or the third awakening, singing is important part of Latvian culture and was form of protest long before USSR started to collapse. The fact that Estonians evidently don't know anything about Latvia is no reason to remove facts from the article ~~Xil...sist! 22:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In Lithuania singing was important, but it is not know as "singing revolution" (the first time I heard it was in English and referred to Estonia). I guess most popular term in Lithuania is Sąjūdis - the name of the movement & organization. Renata (talk) 04:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening Paragraph 

message: I am tempted to classify Carnation Revolution together with such as Revolutions of 1989, Singing Revolution and others as :Category:Endgames of totalitarian systems, albeit perhaps with a slightly less ambitious title.  Thoughts? ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 20:14, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the current :Category:Nonviolent revolutions would be just fine.--Termer (talk) 20:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Endgames of totalitarian systems