Talk:German autobahns/Archive 1

message: I removed the "copyedit" tag from "traffic laws and enforcement section" I didnt edit other sections because they were not tagged. please tag anything elses neccessary.
helo!
 i just want to say that the correct plural of autobahn "Autobahnen" and not "Autobahns" is. I am a german, I have to know it ;)
I have corrected the first mistake in the text, but im too busy to look for other mistakes like that, so please forgive me an correct the others, if they are... ;)
Fabian Weibchen
!Hello, the official name is "Bundesautobahn", short: "BAB". Maybe somebody can fix it, my english is to bead to do it, sorry.
:The article deals not only with the German BAB, but also with Autobahns in other countries, so no change there. IMHO it does not make sense to have separated articles for this. I'll add the official name somewhere in the article --Chrysalis 03:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  In Germany, Autobahn and Bundesautobahn are terms with different legal meanings. "Autobahn" (motorway) means that the road is marked with , which invokes special rules from the German Road Traffic Code (Straßenverkehrsordnung), e.g. regarding speed limits, no parking, etc. OTOH, "Bundesautobahn" (federal motorway) means that it has been dedicated as such, which invokes certain laws on construction and maintanance. Usually, both terms apply to given a strech of highway but there are some roads that are a Autobahn but no Bundesautobahn and vice-versa. -- 3247 21:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

message: I deleted the following paragraph from the article, because it was a vast exaggeration:
"During the 1980s, a goal was set in West Germany to provide autobahn access within 10 km of every household, but with the German reunification, most of the construction and funds shifted from the west to the neglected east."
I am not aware of any plans to build "Autobahns" within 10 km of every household - especially not in the 1980s, when financing infrastructure projects in Germany was already a problem. Furthermore, there wouldn't even have been enough demand for so many "Autobahns". The most enthusiastic plans came up in the 1970s and can be seen here: http://www.autobahn-online.de/karten/ - you'll notice that even those are nowhere near the "goal" of having Autobahns every 20 km. 195.226.183.31 12:22, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted Paragraph ("10 km of every household") 

message: The article freely mixes "Autobahn" and "autobahn".  It would be good to pick one or the other.  I'm not changing it because I don't know whether it's more correct to follow the German convention or the English one.  Erics 04:00, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be much more accurate to use English conventions.  I'd go further and replace all instances of 'autobahnen' with 'autobahns'.  After all, this article is written in English.  If the article on Kaiser users 'Kaisers' as the plural, then the same should apply here.  --Bletch 23:38, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just realized that the German plural of Kaiser is in fact 'Kaisers', so please forgive my ignorance.  That said, my argument still stands.  A Google search restricted to English language pages for 'Autobahns' yields 24700 results  whereas 'Autobahnen' yields 11200 results  --Bletch 01:29, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, the plural of "Kaiser" is "Kaiser". "Kaisers" would be genitive singular. But you are right that the plural of "Autobahn" is "Autobahnen", so I changed it in the very first sentence. However, the argument that this is an english text and therefore you should use "autobahns" in the rest of the text seems plausible, so I didn't change anything else. --Flosch 22:06, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll look forward for you to use "Motorwayen" instead of motorways in German texts. --84.245.183.160 10:49, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Funny diskussion :)
As explaination that "Autobahnen" is german plural should be okay, in the text we can use "autobahns" as it has been taken into the english vocabulary.
btw. "der Kaiser" is one "die Kaiser" are more, Google lies :D
so long 84.129.46.149 02:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: E70 moved the page text to motorway, which I disagree with not because it was a bad idea, but because of how it was executed. The simple copy-and-paste merge made the article look very messy. If someone would be willing to merge the texts and make them flow smoothly, I would have no objections. Anyone up? « alerante ✆ ✉ » 14:57:32, 2005-08-19 (UTC)
:Actually, now that I look at it, each system seems to have its own article: motorway for the UK and Ireland, Interstate Highway for the US; Autobahn should be left as a German, Swiss, and Austrian page. « alerante ✆ ✉ » 15:00:41, 2005-08-19 (UTC)
::This was because Peter Isotalo destroyed the article motorväg who means motorway/autobahn in Swedish. It should be all the foreign names or everything should only be at the same article motorway. /E70 21:26, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note that this has been discussed at Talk:Motorväg and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Motorväg. E70, you have been politely asked several times to desist with the personal attacks. I'm asking you again: please be civil in interacting with others. Please assume good faith on the part of other users. It's inherently more likely that they're doing what they believe is right, just like you are, than that they have some obscure reason to hate you personally. Bishonen | talk 22:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging with [[Motorway]] 

message: This IP user had deleted everything except the starting paragraph.
This is not acceptable.
On top of it, no comments are given, not a single word written here
in the discussion pages. 
I have now reverted to the version 22:28, 24 August 2005 Choster -- Klaus with K 14:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism by 24.100.122.246 

message: Is it just me or is the picture just a thin line? :Image:Autobahn_1-999.png Same on commons. Very puzzling. Agathoclea 20:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motorway picture 

message: * Contrary to popular belief, it is illegal to flash headlights or left turn signals at a car moving slowly on the left lane. However, this directive is often ignored by motorists in a hurry.
That is wrong. Flash headlight or even pushing the horn (out of town) is in Germany an allowed overtaking sign.
:Using the horn of flashlights (short use only) is only allowed to signal overtaking if it's possible (i.e. on a road where there is another lane left of the car to be overtaken, be it the same direction or two-way-traffic). If a car is moving in the left lane of the autobahn, it cannot be overtaken, so this could be considered coercion (Nötigung). On the other hand, using the left lane if the right lane is free is also an offense, so the slower car is also using coercion on the faster car. See StVO (German legal code for street usage) §5(5,6), §16 for (slightly unclear) details. --Chrysalis 05:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rules 

message: I ask because my grandfather took photos during WW2 (aerial) of a portion crossing a river that was destroyed.  I don't know who bombed it, any info?
:Hello Unsigned, bomb damage might be possible. But lots of infrastructure was blown up by the retreating German troops, and that is my guess for your stretch of Autobahn as well.--Klaus with K 13:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly the bridge on the Plauen Autobahn on the east-west border was blown up, leading the the death of a motorcyclist how drove that stretch of road and found himself suddendly in the air. Agathoclea 08:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

text: It's  very likely that there was bomb damage. Infrastructure such as highways and railroads usually is a primary strategic target in wars. -- 3247 20:52, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was the Autobahn ever damaged, destroyed, bombed? 

message: The article says "President Dwight Eisenhower first adopted the idea in his visit to Germany during World War II." First, he wasn't president during the war, and second, he wasn't exactly "visiting" Germany -- he was blasting the hell out of it!
Sca 15:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ike's travels

message: The article states that it is not uncommon to see cars speeding at 300km/h. There is no source for that statement and I doubt its acuracy very much. In fact a study says that the 85percentiel for traffic in Germany in only marginally higher than in other countries where there is a speed limit. Agathoclea 08:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reworded the sentence in question; the original author probably got a bit carried away with their enthusiasm. Whilst these mysterious speeds do exist, it is usually hard to see cars actually travelling at 300 km/h, mainly because they're gone so fast. ;) --doco (☏) 08:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Speeds in excess of 200 km/h are common, but most of the cars that would offer the raw power to go beyond the quoted "gentlemen's agreement" of 250 km/h, mainly luxury cars in a sedan configuration, are not designed to be handled at extreme speeds. Those sports cars that do have higher designed maximum speeds (and no limiter) provide noticeably different handling, facilitating control under high speed conditions. -- Kiwaiti 21:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  common speeds of 300km/h 

message: Can anyone just go to Germany and rent a car there or do you need to be a citizen/resident?
Generally, renting is possible by carriers of foreign drivers' licenses.  If you move there, you have to go to the driving board and see if your license meets the requirements of International License (meaning they'll issue you a German one without test or lessons).  This usualy works for people with other EU driving licenses, since the road signs and many of the rules are the same (not always).
Maybe I shouldn't say this, because this is based on some research I did for getting a Dutch drivers' license, and there was some EU info in there that I'm applying to Germany.  However, I know of Americans who've travelled to various countries in Europe and renting a car was no problem. Gaviidae 10:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is an International License enough?  

message: The whole arrangement is pretty messy. Also, this article seems to be too long. Maybe it should be split, indeed. --Ub 02:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great repetition between this and [[Autobahns of Germany]]