Talk:Hassan al-Banna

message: As a student of political science in an Ivy league university and spent many years studying it in the Middle East I believe this article is one of the most bias, unscholarly articles I have come across on Wikipedia.  I will attempt to create an updated version and correct some of the inaccuracies, provide alternate points of view but the use of TWO sources on a topic that is OBVIOUSLY contentious is not substantial enough.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.10.247 (talk) 05:16, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Hugely Inaccurate

message: I moved Hassan al Banna to Hassan al-Banna, as this is the proper transliteration, cf Lunar letters. Pls leave it that way. --tickle me 04:15, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: that hyphen

message: This article still has "Hassan al Banna does not need me to defend him....". This needs editing and NPOV'ing.—iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 00:40, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
====POV again====
Portraying al-Banna as benevolent reformer, while not mentioning the term Islamism even once, is entirely POV, as he was, together with Maududi, its intellectual father. --tickle me 03:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Portraying al-Banna as benevolent reformer, while not mentioning the term Islamism even once, is entirely POV, as he was, together with Maududi, its intellectual father. --tickle me 03:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV again

message: This article was lifted straight from here. Graft 17:33, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio 

message: This article contains gross inaccuracies. I have added the POV template. See the discussion under Muslim_Brotherhood#Research_in_Progress. According to Brynjar Lia's book which I've cited there, neither Banna nor his father studied at Al-Azhar. According to Lia, Banna was not an admirer of Hitler and strenuously denounced racism as well as the aggressive militarism characteristic of fascism.  According to both Mitchell and Lia, the Brotherhood maintained a policy of avoiding any involvement in World War II. I've removed these sentences for now, but I will correct this article more thoroughly within the next few weeks. --Beroul 14:08, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Do not delete large portions of the article.<BR>Please follow the Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute policy. If you come across content that seems or is inaccurate use the dubios tags.  For entire sections which may be innacurate use disputed tag.--AI 00:02, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grossly Incorrect 

message: ::* Hassan al Banna was an admirer of Adolf Hitler and wrote supportive letters to Hitler. Hassan was solicited by Nazi intelligence when Hitler rose to power In the 1930's. He established a Nazi Germany spy network throughout the Arabian Peninsula for Hitler. Al Banna promised Hitler that when Gen. Rommel's panzer division arrived in Cairo and Alexandria, the Muslim Brotherhood would ensure that all of the British troops would be killed.
:::This was removed by an anonymous editor with the claim that it is unproven non-sense.--AI 30 June 2005 02:29 (UTC)
Al-Banna supported the Nazis 100%  Is a scholarly work proving this and the evidence against him is legion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.179.34.209 (talk) 09:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[ODESSA]] 

message: Shouldn't this article mention that he was assasignated? --Schwael 20:54, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: I deleted this paragraph-
He was a devout admirer of Adolf Hitler and used the Muslim Brotherhood as a wing of Nazi intelligence during the war.  Incidentally after the war the Muslim Brotherhood was co-opted by British intelligence which based them in Egypt.  After they were expelled by Nasser they were transferred to saudi Arabia by the CIA.  Here they came into contact with the Islamic sect known as Wahhabism from which they borrowed much.  To occupy their time many of them were given careers as teachers in the Madrasas and their was a young pupil who paid close attention by the name of Osama bin-Laden.
since so far as I can ascertain there are "rumours" of CIA involvement etc but nothing verifiable, and the bit about Osama isn't really relevant to this biographical page, even if true, etc. This seems to be POV to me and not really appropriate.82.71.30.178 00:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: CIA, Osama etc

message: I recently changed all citations from Harvard referencing to footnote, because those seem to be the most commonly used now. If anyone objects feel free to revert my edits. Joshdboz 14:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation style 

message: Rather than elaborating on this at length, I have added a short reference indicating that his family were followers of the Hanbali madhhab.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.54.218.179 (talk) 01:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hassan al-Banna's Hanbali background 

message: The order he was in was the Hasafiyyah Tariqah (Source: Fundamentalisms Observed By Martin E. Marty, R. Scott Appleby, Pg. 360) I hope someone can add this to the article. --Huss4in (talk) 17:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  His Sufi Order Or Tariqah 

message: 1890 or 1906? αυρδεκ ζαφυρ 11:17, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year of birthday 

message: Hello All,
I noticed birthdate is listed as 1890 and 1906 separately.
From what I understand the correct date is 1906. Here is a link I found that supports that date:
http://www.islamtimes.org/vdcd.j0s2yt0jfme6y.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tammersalem (talk • contribs) 12:04, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthdate Confusion 

message: The following line:
A turning point in al-Banna's life was the birth of his daughter Uclan, who had also been raised with a strict Islamic upbringing but was increasingly influenced by Western Culture as she grew older. This had strengthened the Islamic ideologies of al-Banna who had become even more suspicious of the West.
is strange in two ways: 1-I could not come across a daughter by that name, 2-if it was a 'turning point in his life' more elaboration would be required. Googling produces the following names for his daughters:
Istishhad al-Banna
Sanaa' al-Banna
Wafaa' al-Banna
Safaa' al-Banna
Rajaa' al-Banna
Hala al-Banna
Please remove the question mark that I have added when this is corrected.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.152.42.27 (talk) 04:02, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  al-Banna's daughters 

message: The link to the Nazis is through the Grand Mufti. The MB had only 800 members in the late 30s, but what pushed it over the top, and gave it its broad base was the campaign to support the Arab Revolt, and al-Banna's link-up with the Mufti. The explicit fascist tone of al-Banna's ideas and his organization of the MB can be found summarized, from a variety of sources, including Jeffrey Herf's study of the impact of the Mufti's propaganda work for the Nazis, in Paul Berman's Revolt of the Intellectuals. In other words, you don't have to indulge in conspiracy theories about the MB being co-opted by the CIA or British Intelligence (which strike me as dubious anyway); the links are there, and exist in al-Banna's own words. The cheif inaccuracy in the article is not really in anything it says but in the massive amount of material it leaves out. For example, al-Banna was not a democrat, and not even interested in supporting any kind of democracy in a future, Islamically purified Egypt. In "Toward the Light," al-Banna says he wants "an end to party rivalry, and a channeling of the political forces of the nation into a common front and a single phalanx" (Berman, 41); and Berman cites another scholar, to the effect that the future Muslim state envisioned by al-Banna would be based "on the unity of power without any division between the civil and religious powers" (42). Note that the scholar in question, Brynjar Lia, is generally a fan of al-Banna, so it's not some enemy accusing the Supreme Guide of the MB of wanting to set up an un-democratic theocracy, but a friend, so to speak. Generally speaking, this not biography, it's hagiography. Theonemacduff (talk) 22:24, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. And the article is missing information on his activity between 1939 and 1948. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 10:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still inaccurate 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In the Early Life section there is a grammatical mistake: Change "Despite of his young age . . . " to "In spite of his young age" OR "Despite his young age" Fallarbor (talk) 16:31, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done - changed to "Despite his young age", see Special:Diff/1006806958. Thanks! DanCherek (talk) 22:28, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2021 

message: hassan al banna there is no sources for his creed or his school of law so it should be removed. 2601:403:201:4010:7CA0:A1C0:7A98:E65C (talk) 22:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Johnnie Bob (talk) 18:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2021 

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message: I have come across people calling him an Athari or Ashari in creed. I’ve seen him called Hanafi, Shafi’i and Hanbali in jurisprudence, as well. How are his creed and jurisprudence decided? Michbruh (talk) 03:14, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al-Banna’s Creed and Jurisprudence