Talk:Cue sports/Archive 1

message: The external links section is a constant annoyance to me.  I remove what I consider to be blatently commercial links, and they get remade.  Its sad.
As to history, I recall sketching out a history section.  Not sure what happened to it.  I thought it was a separate link.
[-- anon]
: Yeah, there are still a lot of spammy links in many of the articles in this topic's diaspora.  They're on the radar... — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 13:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe I have nuked all of the spam links at this point.  There remain some directly pertinent links to some sites, of course, but the random, irrelevant, spammy, and nonauthoritative (when that's an issue) ones have been deleted.  If more are found feel free to remove them yourself of course, or report the issue here and remove the "Resolved" tag from this topic (or just start a new one). — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 00:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commercial Links 

message: Four ball is a very popular carom game played in Korea. Even though I can't find an English webpage that explains how to play (an indication the game may not be popular among English speakers), I feel the game should be documented in wikipedia.
I can attest that the game is played in the US, as I know it's played in a pool hall in Boston that has carom tables.
I'd like to gather up all the information I have on Four Ball (hopefully by finding a set of rules from a book) and write up a new article. Any objections or thoughts from other people before I move forward?
Note that it's a *carom* game, not to be confused with "American Four-Ball Billiards". The following quote from the Billiard Congress of America website explains American Four-Ball Billiards:
The dominant American billiard game until the 1870’s was American Four-Ball Billiards, usually played on a large (11 or 12-foot), four-pocket table with four balls - two white and two red.
fyi: The game is played with two red balls and two white (cue) balls. One of the white balls is spotted or yellow to differentiate it from the other.
Thanks everyone.--PaulLopez 04:06, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hadn't noticed this post before, so this note is a bit retroactive: The vague mention of a variant in the four-ball article stub led me to fork it into four-ball and yotsudama after some investigation. Both articles need more material and especially some references. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 22:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Four Ball 

message: Someone uploaded a beer-in-hand pool game, which is OK if it is a real game. However, does the billiards glossary really need a "Beer in Hand" entry? Mrpaulus 17:13, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think not (re: does it belong in glossary); it's nothing but a college WP:NFT smartass variant of "jacked-up pool" (which may or may not already be in the glossary) and drinking game.  Not novel in any way.  The Beer-In-Hand article is subject to an AfD as of this writing. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 21:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Update: The AfD succeeded. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 08:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beer-In-Hand? 

message: I updated this talk page so that the table of contents would show up at the top to facilitate better communication. When making a new comment please put use an existing subject section or create a new one - thanks! Mrpaulus 17:33, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  This talk Page 

message: This article is still tagged for cleanup from December 2004.  What items are recognized as needing cleanup before we remove the tag? RJFJR 21:33, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Cleanup? 

message: I added most of the content to this page, but obviously numerous edits have been made.  I am not a professional writer, or even a good one.  When I reread the page, some of the wording is awkward.  It would be nice to have some of the writing redone in a better "voice".  Overall, I am happy with the content now.  When I first saw this page there was practically nothing here.
The reason I had a section on 8-ball and 9-ball was because these are the most popular games in the US.  I felt the article benefited from the discussion of a particular game from a general viewpoint.  I am no longer sure this makes sense.  Perhaps that needs to be converted to a more general discussion.  After all, there are separate articles for those games.  Having them described in any detail in the main article does not make sense.
I am not sure this really needs a disambiguation page.  By definition, billiards is the blanket term for all cue and ball games played on a table, at least according to all respected billiard authors such as Mike Shamos.  I think this goes back to the article being made more general, and sub topics being broken into separate articles.
Anyway, that's my two cents for improving this.
MichaelJHuman 15:55, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  General comments again 

message: I just stumbled on this site (actually just realized it was editable by the public) and have been working to add to many of pool and billiards related articles. I am a professional pool player and have an advice column at allexperts.com under the title Pool_Teacher. I Just finished a cleanup, most significantly to clarify the use of the word "english" as referring predominantly to sidespin, and not to follow or draw. (See e.g., http://www.easypooltutor.com/article62.html)
--Fuhghettaboutit 04:23, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have rewritten much of this article and expanded it significantly (more to come). In rewriting I came across the following page: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/gr.aspx?word=Billiards&source=http%3a%2f% It appears that the kernel for that page or for this page, I cannot tell which came first, was word-for-word plagiarized from the other.  As it states on that page, "This article needs to be cleaned up to conform to a higher standard of quality." Regardless of which came first, I agree. --Fuhghettaboutit 02:56, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I'm pretty much done with the major revision. I believe the glossary I have added is the largest and most accurate on the internet in its definitions, and the only one I have seen which has common pool hall vernacular included. There's a whole language spoken only by pool players. I believe I have covered most of the words and expressions that are extremely common. What still needs significant work IMO is the section on three cushion billiards, and artistic billiards should be added in various places. It is a really spectacular game, and I have not seen it mentioned here or on wikipedia at all. Maybe I'll write the article. --Fuhghettaboutit 06:36, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes