Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/Harry Potter task force/Archive 2

message: On the infobox for Godric's Hollow I left the affiliation blank because I wasn't sure on how to word it exactly and I left appearance blank as I forgot in which book they first mentioned it. If anyone could add these two things, that would be great. -Hoekenheef 16:15, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godric's Hollow Infobox 

message: There seems to be a bit of a dispute between myself and User:67.171.180.209 over whether the Dursley family should have their own page or not. Personally, I think that they are fine being on the Relatives of Harry Potter page, but the afore mentioned user does not seem to think so. If any of you have an opinion on this matter, please states it here. Thank you. -Hoekenheef 19:15, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with that. Petunia will soon need her own page, although at the moment, she is just another Dursley. Jotomicron | talk 09:53, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dursley family deserves a page ? 

message: I added a blurb under Harry Potter and one under Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince , and uploaded a copy of the injunction regarding the pre-sales restrictions Raincoast was granted by the BC court.  As it would likely be nice to add more links to other people's discussion of the issue, it may merit moving to its own article page, to conserve space in the other articles... thoughts?
:—Hobart 06:18, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Columbia Injunction 

message: I just greatly annoyed a friend who had managed to avoid the big Half-blood Prince spoiler until I recommended the Wikipedia as a great resource for refreshing one's mind of the previous books. Here's how it happened: clicking on the Chamber's of Secrets page she is unknowingly taken to the Hogwarts page which completely spoils the Prince in 20 words! Yes, there is a spoiler warning but my friend has read the Chamber of Secrets, in fact, she's trying to brush up on it. So I propose three principles:
# Eventually all these pages and links be sorted out properly, something I'm sure you are working on, e.g., why does CoS redirect to Hogwarts?
# We need not be over eager in adding new spoiler stuff (and the associated warnings) all over the place -- give it a month at least.
# We be clear what the spoiler is about. Articles specific to a book should never have future info on them. Article which span several books, if they have spoiler warnings, should indicate spoilers of which book.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Reagle (talk • contribs) 14:08, July 25, 2005
:Wikipedia's Harry Potter section is full of spoilers for all books. The very nature of Wikipedia is to be as complete and accurate as possible at all times, which means that stuff will tend to get updated as fast as editors can add it. This is not a fansite, or a fan discussion forum, it's an encyclopedia, and it will have spoilers. Almost all of the articles have spoiler warnings on them, disregard them at your own risk. I personally did not visit any of these pages until I had a chance to finish reading HBP. EvilPhoenix talk 19:05, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
:: EvilPhoenix, you are advocating that WP contain the most recent information possible. That differs with point #1, so be it. However, I don't feel you are responding to the usage scenario above, or perhaps you are but you are simply arguing that it is not approriate to use the Wikipedia to refresh one's mind about characters and events in previous books before reading a new one? That really surprises me. In any case, my question in #1 stands, as does my suggestion in #3. --Reagle 15:59, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler Policy 

message: Hi folks, just thought I'd leave a quick note here so it's easier for you guys to revert if you disagree. I've seen the description for the "T" grade described as "Troll, or terrible, which is the proper name." I've changed it to read "Terrible (also known colloquially as Troll)" in the O.W.L. and N.E.W.T. articles, and stated that George and Fred calls it Troll in the Hogwarts article. I think that Troll is the colloquial name for the "T" grade, and would rather see the official name stated first. Please discuss here if you disagree with my change in wording. --Deathphoenix 14:58, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If indeed it is the colloquial term, then referring is only after the appropriate one seems, of course, good. Anyway, where does it say the T stands for Terrible? I don't seem to recall it from the books or as info J. K. Rowling gave us. --Jotomicron | talk 22:52, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure. I just changed the wording based on the original sentence stating that "terrible" was the proper name. I'll have to dig out my copy of the Harry Potter books and verify this information. --Deathphoenix 01:43, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I think it's general knowledge now. :-) --Deathphoenix 11:54, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yah, I'm just being Captain Obvious for people slow on the take up :p --takagawa-kun 16:22, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "T" for Terrible or Troll 

message: Here we go! By my count, we're currently at H-3 hours. Thanks to everyone for the work so far. Time to submit those edits (which I would have done had Sis not closed the browser on me) and finish those linkfixes. My two cents are that we're guaranteed to get a torrent of activity. New contributors with more enthusiasm than sense are not a problem - the Potter coverage didn't have particularily noble beginnings - but vandals will be riding the crest with their cries of DOBBY IS THE HALF-BLOOD PIRNCE!!1 Everyone geek enough to be present, please stay on your toes. Temporary protection of pages might become feasible. And for the sake of all that is good and holy, stay out until you've finished the book! --Kizor 21:28, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Brace yourselves

message: CC to Talk:Horcrux
I'm glad that I wasn't the only person to think that the Horcrux is like a lich's phylactery. What do you think about possibly expanding this mention to other articles? I find it interesting that what Voldemort does to himself (and its subsequent results on the soul and the wizard's physical body) seems very similar to what a wizard does to attain lichhood in the D&D universe. --Deathphoenix 15:37, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea I found this intresting while reading HBP myself.  Very similar ideas you have to be a highe level wizard or sorcer to become a lich (12th level or higher I Think?), your body can e destoryed and you keep living and caan get a new body.  But,  their are pretty significant diffrences as well.  The lich if I am not mistaken can only have one phylactery (though it seems Voldemort is the first ot have multiple Horcruxes and cannot be very far from it for an extended period of time.  Also the phylactery seems to contain the lich's entire soul not just part of it.  Most importantly (and I may be mistaken) I think a lich cna regenerate a body when its body has been ddestoryed automaticlly after the right amoutn of time (years?) has passed.  My DnD is a bit rusty though so I coudl be wrong. Dalf | Talk 05:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Horcrux]] ~ [[Phylactery]] 

message: Since both grindylows and hinkypunks are creatures from genuine folklore, and not created by JK Rowling, shouldn't they be removed from the Potter beasts lists and given pages of their own?82.45.244.104 09:03, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost all of Rowling's beasts and creatures come from traditional folklore and mythology, but she modifies them to fit with her stories, so passing her folklore creatures off as if they were exactly the same as the traditional ones would actually be doing people a disservice, IMO. Her Boggarts, which are a hybrid of the classic folklore boggart (a destructive household spirit) and the bogeyman (a creature that takes the form of one's worst fear), are a perfect example. In fact, in the case of boggarts there are two separate articles on Wiki, one for the classic boggart and one for JKR's boggarts. --Zequist 03:18, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Well yes, but the problem is, when you type "hinkypunk" or "grindylow" into the Wiki search engine, all you get are Harry Potter references. Indeed, the grindylow reference claimed that they had been created by JK Rowling. I've been thinking of doing seperate pages for them, but I've been having registration problems. 
82.45.244.104 09:02, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Grindylows and Hinkypunks

message: I wasn't quite sure what to do with Romilda, because she didn't fit with any of our past minor Gryffindor groupings. We can't put her in "Minor Characters Associated With Quidditch," nor in "Gryffindors in Harry's year," which are the two groups where we've always stuck the minor Gryffindors like Parvati and Oliver. So I simply went ahead and wrote up a separate article for her, even though her character really isn't that significant (we did the same thing with the Creevey brothers, who are also minor but don't fit in the other two groups). But if anyone has any better ideas for where to put her or what to do with her, I'm all ears. --Zequist 19:05, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romilda Vane 

message: Would someone mind adding some info about "Prongs" to James and Lily Potter? I don't think there is anything about James/Prongs in the article. I don't think I will be able to do it, but I thought someone might give it a go. Thanks. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 18:22, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prongs 

message: We need to move out Mark Evans from Relatives of Harry Potter. He has NO relationships with Harry and there is no point to keep him there. Maybe we should create a "Miscellaneous Characters from Harry Potter" since there isn't enough infomation to create a seperate article. --Mozart2005 20:08, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We've already got a massive List of characters in the Harry Potter books. I think that's more than sufficient for nobodies like Mark Evans or Piers Polkiss; I don't see any need to make yet another article or "list of characters" page just for them.--Zequist 00:32, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark Evans 

message: 1. I am not clear if Andromeda Tonks is in the Order. She is put in "Category:Order of the Phoenix".
2. Should Andromeda and Ted Tonks be together, just like James and Lily Potter? Both articles have similar information and they both appear together.
--Mozart2005 00:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andromeda and Ted Tonks 

message: Does anyone know if there is there a British version of the Prisoner of Azkaban game? I am pretty sure "Snuffiflors" (sp) turns flying books into mice in the U.S. version of the Prisoner of Azkaban game. And although listed on Wikipedia multiple times, I don't recall a "Lapifors" spell at all. Can anyone confirm? --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 17:18, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't know about any versions other than the PC version in the U.S., but there's a "Lapifors" spell to transfigure a rabbit statue into a rabbit and a "Draconifors" spell to transfigure a dragon statue into a dragon. I don't remember a "Snuffiflors" spell or anything like it, but it may be in another platform's version. Hermione1980 17:35, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I should have been more specific... I meant on the PlayStation2 version of the game. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 17:44, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The differences are between the PC and Console (PS2/XBox/GCN) versions of the game, not between US and international. The PC versions of SS, COS, and POA each have spells, levels, and challenges that the console versions don't, and vice-versa. I did a big rewrite of the article for the Chamber of Secrets video game a couple of weeks ago and added all the important information for the console versions of that game, because the earlier article only covered the PC version. I'm planning to do the same for the POA Game article (which is also currently in a PC version only state) when I can find the time.--Zequist 06:15, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Zequist. I knew something seemed fishy. Wow, for a Dark Lord, I sure sound like a weenie. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 12:30, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lapifors and Snuffiflors (sp?) 

message: Considering the fate of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - Full Plot Summary, I think Harry Potter (plot) needs to be split and merged into the book articles. If no one objects, I'd like to add the project to the to-do list. James 05:36, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
:I think making more pages is bad!  I think we cause the pages that we currently have incomplete and fragmented when we do that.  The plot summaary can go in a sub-heading of the books article.  It does not need ot have a chapter by chapter breakdown.  People can get cliffs notes for that.  Links to places wehre the chapters are discussed chapter by chapter woucl be better. Dalf | Talk 07:49, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Um... I know, that's why I'm saying Harry Potter (plot) needs to be split and merged into the books' pages, i.e. the summary at HP (plot) needs to be merged with the one at Harry Potter and the Sorcer's Stone, etc.
The user Kappa seems to be going out of his way to change around some new HP pages, specifically trying to keep the CoS full plot summary page, now requested for deletion, and trying the get the new HP Wikibook deleted. Can anyone vote over at Wikibooks? The Wikibook is incredibly helpful and useful for all the new plot pages and summaries and I don't want it getting deleted due to his ridiculous claim. He wants to keep a plot page saying plots should be split like that, then wants to delete a whole plot set because it supposedly doesn't have value. Hopefully the votes will block it. -Matt 13:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harry Potter (Plot) 

message: Are there any rules on what pages are included as a part of the WikiProject? I'm new to Wikipedia altogether and am the type that likes to comb through things and make them uniform. Would it be all right if I went through and tagged HP pages with the WikiProject header box and made general clean-up edits? -Matt 00:32, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Mais oui! Tag the talk pages of any HP-related articles with . Clean up, by all means! And pardon my editing of your comment above: I cannot stand to see "all right" as one word, be it right or wrong. :-) Happy editing, Hermione1980 00:43, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Shew, I wouldn't even have noticed. Any styles anyone uses on edit summaries? What do you guys like regarding use of "minor edit?" Matt 00:49, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you see any new pages, please add them to the Harry Potter watchlist. Thanks! --Deathphoenix 02:40, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Labeling WikiProject Pages 

message: The Harry Potter Plots Wikibook is now on books for deletion! --?jwe?? (talk) 13:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Posted above, but here it is again: The user Kappa seems to be going out of his way to change around some new HP pages, specifically trying to keep the CoS full plot summary page, now requested for deletion, and trying the get the new HP Wikibook deleted. Can anyone vote over at Wikibooks? The Wikibook is incredibly helpful and useful for all the new plot pages and summaries and I don't want it getting deleted due to his ridiculous claim. He wants to keep a plot page saying plots should be split like that, then wants to delete a whole plot set because it supposedly doesn't have value. Hopefully the votes will block it. -Matt 14:01, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

text: The Wikibook seems like it will survive; however, a new, more useful Wikibook is being created which will hopefully remove the need for the current one. Come check out the Muggles' Guide and tell me if you can help! -Matt 01:27, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikibook 

message: As just mentioned by User:Withinfocus, please note the existence of the Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter at Wikibooks, where detailed analyses of the books are permitted as long as they remain educational and instructional. The first five books are in need of editors to break them down into chapter-by-chapter analyses as the sixth already has been.  Available commentary from the author and textual analyses are encouraged.  See the chapter linked to for an example. Uncle G 04:44:54, 2005-08-03 (UTC)
:I'd like to ask everyone active here to consider a Transwiki of Harry Potter articles over to the new Muggles' Guide. Quite a bit of discussion has come up at Wikibooks and the idea is that Wikipedia is not the place for many of the in-depth articles on Harry Potter. There may even be an eventual requesting of VFDs of articles if the ideas discussed at Wikibooks get over here to Wikipedia. Can we discuss this below on who supports and opposes a Transwiki of Harry Potter content to Wikibooks? Pages would be marked after a concensus is reached. -Matt 02:16, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muggles' Guide to Harry Potter at Wikibooks 

message: There is a new Hpwiki over at www.harrypotterwiki.org. It is sponsered by FictionAlley.org. If you are active in this Wikiproject I strongly suggest that you help out over there. At the current time they are not allowing registration for some reason or another. I do have one question about this though. Could we transfer material from the HP pages here at Wikipedia over to the Hpwiki. -Hoekenheef 00:45, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Bah. That is why the Muggles' Guide was created. The Guide seems to be part of a large movement (and boy have we been arguing over it) to Transwiki HP articles on Wikipedia to Wikibooks. Since it is a sister site of Wikipedia I hope people will work there and not at these others. -Matt 01:54, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Jeez man. Why so nagative? So, yeah, it's not a sister project to Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't help it out. That's like seeing a person about to get injured or die and not doing anything to possibly help them just because you don't know them. -Hoekenheef 02:06, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No no no! Totally incorrect! What I am getting at is what many Wiki users see as a helpful integration tool. The Wikimedia Foundation and all that has a whole set of projects that work excellent together. I just don't want too many projects to derail efforts. If one place can be established, that will make the end result so much better. Wikibooks is seen as the appropriate place for that general sort of information. Why should Fiction Alley try to run their own MediaWiki install when there is an incredibly strong one already existing? Also, a Transwiki would bring articles to a sister project normally. Taking articles from Wikipedia over to the site you mentioned may be more complicated. -Matt 02:12, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. My misunderstanding. -Hoekenheef 16:14, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No harm done. I see you started editing over there already. Hopefully I can persuade you to come to the Muggles' Guide. -Matt 00:45, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I hope to convince them to try out the Muggles' Guide, too. However, I hear they just copy Wikipedia content, which shouldn't be allowed. I'm not sure if Wikicities is really considered a project in the WikiMedia group either. I'm going for some integration, especially since people are talking a lot (especially over at Wikibooks, check out the VFD page) over what HP content should stay and go at the various WikiMedia projects. Some new VFDs here at Wikipedia may be coming soon to the Harry Potter pages and I'd like to Transwiki them over to Wikibooks after some modification. -Matt 00:49, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Hpwiki