Talk:Meerkat Manor/Archive 3

message: Yo
Everybody i know that there is some confusion about Daisy, but she is just a name for females that are preganet. If Mango is preganet, such as Season 3, they will say it's Daisy.
Her storyline is like Carlos.
24.26.199.123 02:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daisy 

message: In the rest of Whiskers family list, Len and Squiggy are featured. These were the American names for pups known as Ren and Stumpy in Britain. Given that Meerkat Manor is a British series based on a British research project, shouldn't the main names be the British ones in line with WP:ENGVAR? I plan on changing it unless there's a convincing reason not to. --Notorious Biggles 17:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected. AnmaFinotera 17:53, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does list of meerkats have American names? 

message: Is she alive or dead? I just watched, "Farewell My Lovely" and it says shes going to be in the next episode, but under the Starsky Section, it says she died of TB in early 2007.
So, I'm Confused. ~Zoge  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.18.121.118 (talk) 02:55, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She died after the end of the season.  Season 3 seems to cover through to late 2006-early 2007.  It does not go as far as the end of the Starskys, however. AnmaFinotera 03:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Good to know they will be showing and not doing the replacement thing :) AnmaFinotera 00:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kinkajou 

message: The article lists Youssarian as having returned to the group as of "Farewell My Lovely", but I can find no evidence of this - at least not in the US version of the show. Can someone clarify his status? 68.111.138.254 05:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm...I haven't seen the episode, myself, but if it didn't happen in that episode it certainly doesn't belong there.  I've removed it for now. AnmaFinotera 06:21, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: your right he does not return in farewell my lovely...and also where is the proof of shakespeare dying in winter of 06/07 i've read that the kalahari is apart of the southern hemishpere making their winter just happening(jun-sep) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.87 (talk) 12:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shakespeare's death was confirmed by the KMP, however you are write in that does need sourcing. If someone has the source for that, feel free to say so, else I'll try to find it this evening when I have time. AnmaFinotera 13:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i cant find the proof on the kmp website but i did find proof through an excerpt of tim cluttons book of midsummer being dec-jan meaning winter would be mid-year so there couldnt be a winter of 06/07  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.58 (talk) 00:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for looking that up.  I've changed it to winter 2006. AnmaFinotera 00:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Almost all the articles discussing Flower's death also mention Shakespeare's being dead, but not when or how.  Flower's obituary mentions Shakespeare's being loss in the winter, but again not how.  It seems a consensus that he is dead, but his body has never been found.  I will update the article to reflect this. AnmaFinotera 03:00, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youssarian in Season 3 

message: I believe it's correct to state that all episodes of Meerkat Manor have been broadcast. although not perhaps in every country.  I've reverted a removal of information that was performed on the grounds that the relevant information had not been aired.  Please fix if my belief is incorrect and the episodes have not aired anywhere.  --Tony Sidaway 01:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you were right.  I reverted again, at first, then looked it up and discovered that despite starting airing the episodes after the US, the UK has aired the last two episodes already.  *scratching head* on how they did that.  So I reverted my revert, then cleaned up the new additions.  Thanks for prompting me to check :-) AnmaFinotera 01:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I think Meerkat Manor began airing in the UK some time in late August or early September, but the difference is that they showed the episodes in quick succession, perhaps on consecutive weekdays, so that the series was all done and dusted by late September.  The UK broadcasting schedules should perhaps be mentioned in the lead because it would save a lot of bother like this if everybody understood where the information is coming from.  I believe the series is of UK origin (the on-site production company is British, at least) so it probably makes sense to cue the reader of the article, who of course may only know the schedules in his own country, that series three has already been broadcast in its entirety in the UK. --Tony Sidaway 04:42, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it should be mentioned that the UK shows episodes faster (and yep, it is considered a UK show).  Will add that to the article  AnmaFinotera 04:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Season 3 was 13 episodes in all three countries, however the UK seems to show two new episodes each week while the US and Canada are only showing one.  The final episode of the season in the UK showed this past Monday. AnmaFinotera 05:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, I'm pretty sure the entire season aired in the UK in September.  Comments in the history of this talk page seem to be consistent with this--there was a comment about four weeks ago about the fact that episode 9, Farewell My Lovely, had been shown in the UK on 21st, which is a date consistent with Animal Planet showing the series in the UK one episode per weeknight, starting on 10th, with 15th and 16th being weekend days. --Tony Sidaway 06:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah!  Didn't even catch that.  And wow...talk about airing fast!  AnmaFinotera 06:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of information 

message: Tony, I reverted your change here.  While in theory, it shouldn't be necessary to be so detailed, I put in the amount of detail I did to try and address the regular back and forth over names because fans in the US don't realize that the names were changed from the UK versions (which the article uses).  It is my hope that by having them here, we will not have to have the UK/US versions listed every single time the article mentions any of the episodes in question.  I also think it should be noted that the changes seem to have only started in the third season, which may be important later for critical reviews or the like.
I used "Impact on society" because that's what the style guide listed, but your rename works better.  Agreed on the combo of film & book.  I started to do it when I added it, but wasn't sure which would be better. AnmaFinotera 02:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences between UK and US Episodes 

message: I know I've already established this, but some people *cough*Collectonian =P*cough* need proof, here's your proof: http://friends.kalahari-meerkats.com/index.php?id=vivian-friends Cruise meerkat 00:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you (though http://friends.kalahari-meerkats.com/index.php?id=commandos-friends also would be good as it specifically mentions the mob scenes being Vivian).  :)  Now to figure out the best way to put it in the article... AnmaFinotera 00:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: There.  For now, I've put it in the Commandoes description area with the cite. AnmaFinotera 00:14, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks. Article updated. :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AnmaFinotera (talk • contribs) 17:56, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: As the note on the Zappa group and citation state, for footage of the Zappa uses both footage from the Zappa (particularly Punk, et al), as well as The Young Ones.  The show states Axel was a Zappa pup, however I have added a note though due to the use of footage of both, it is highly possible (and even probably) that Axel is actually from the Young Ones.  I have added a note to that affect, with a reference. AnmaFinotera 00:09, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vivian=Commandoes 

message: :As noted above, I have brought up the issue of whether the KMP only info belongs in the Meerkat Manor article at all with some neutral editors in the policy boards.  Depending on the consensus, all KMP only info will be removed from the article with only the show, Animal Planet sites, and AP press releases being usable for any info about the show events and characters.  I have also asked for input on the whole spoiler tag debate. AnmaFinotera 07:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  KMP and Spoilers 

message: http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/meerkat/meet/whiskers.html Its Axle. Cruise meerkat 03:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again I remind you, Meerkat Manor is a UK show so we use the UK spellings, which in this case is Axel.  AnmaFinotera 03:35, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, the AP UK site is out of date, however other articles about the UK spell it as Axel, so that is what we will use until AP UK says otherwise. AnmaFinotera 16:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Axle's spelling 

message: Until the discussion on the policy board is done, can we please just not change anything in the article, content wise?  We can't keep going back and forth on these issues of whether to include this but not Y and we can't pick and choose how to use a source or not.  Cruise, in your edits today you removed a bunch of stuff as not being in MM, yet then turned around and changed the number of Flower's pups because "MM was lying."  It has to be one or the other.  Either outside information is usable for ANY of the meerkats, including noting Cazanna's death, or it is not.  The consensus on the board seems to be leaning towards removing all outside references regarding the meerkats on the show, which includes accepting whatever numbers AP gives, AP's version of events, and removing all group counts as only the Whiskers one did not come from KMP.  Feel free to go weigh in over there.
For now, I've undid your change to Axel's name per the note above (UK show, UK spellings) and put back the count of 70 for Flower's pups.  Please leave the count in place until the issue of whether KMP (and likely the book) can be used as sources to enhance info about the meerkats, or if the article must only include what AP says. AnmaFinotera 04:14, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits - KMP versus MM 

message: There needs to be a better reference to Big Sy being euthanized than the one previously provided (http://animal.discovery.com/fansites/meerkat/flower/transcript.html). That transcript does not say that Big Sy was euthanized. If there is no citation that someone can provide for this, it will be deleted later on by someone else who is looking for verification that this is true.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.194.64.246 (talk) 21:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The citation is for the reason he was put down, not to verify that he was put down.  They said at the start of Season 2 that he got TB and was put down.  I've modified the sentence to make it easier to see what the cite is for, and added a cite for the episode. AnmaFinotera 22:02, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Sy's Death 

message: Hola,
shouldn't the Aztecs be like the Starsky, and have their own section only featuring Monkalline(Maybelline). ITS MONKULUS NOT MONKALINE!
Gracias!72.178.145.56 18:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the moment no.  They have only appeared in one episode thus far and we can not be sure they will still be around at the start of season 4 or be truly notable.  From the info on the KMP site so far, indicators point towards the group failing and either rejoining the Whiskers or possibly dying out.  Either way, until we see if the group will be around in the next season and if AP will include them in the show, they do not need their own section or to be mentioned beyond the notes on Maybelline under the Whiskers section. AnmaFinotera 19:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

text: They are still alive, but the KMP site notes that all the Whiskers males have already left the group, reducing the group from 15 to 7, of which only 3 are adults.  We saw what happened when the Starsky was reduced to three females with no dominant males.  The encounters with the Whiskers are to be expected considering the Aztecs don't have much territory that is just theirs.  The encounters, however, means nothing.  There have been no new pups or matings since the group formed in March, only one death or disappearance.  Irregardless, they should not have their own group section in the article until Season 4 starts.  Even if they do survive, if AP decides not to include them on the show in Season 4, the group can't be considered notable or worth mentioning beyond the quick note about them in the Whiskers section. We probably won't know what AP decides until August of next year when season 4 airs, as filming is probably just now concluding. AnmaFinotera 01:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, that's what I meant.  What happens when I reply at 2 am ;) AnmaFinotera 23:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

text: As per the edit summary, they were completely irrelevant to the article, as they were just chat type comments.  Article talk pages are for discussing improvements to the article, or questions directly related to the article.  If you wish to chat about the show, it should be done on your user talk pages or off Wikipedia. AnmaFinotera (talk) 23:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aztecs 

message: Sorry if this is a stupid question, but does anyone know when season 4 will start? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SUB-orez (talk • contribs) 18:54, 6 November 2007
:Exact date? No, but it should be somewhere around late August or September in 2008 if the show follows the usual pattern. AnmaFinotera 01:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It just started filming - there's no way to know for sure yet. Cruise meerkat 23:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 4 

message: Hello everyone,
My question is : does anyone knows in what languages the subtitles are on the dvds? I cannot find this information and it is very important to me in order to make a present. Thank you very much for the time taken.
Wishing to all of you a very pleasant day!
Ludmila  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.243.82.34 (talk) 12:26, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  subtitles on meerkat manor 

message: just found this transcript, thought it may be useful to people editing this entry. 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/10/16/DI2007101601709.html
(feel free to hide or delete this comment if not needed.) Bine maya (talk) 16:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I've incorporated it into the article.AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:53, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link with recent info 

message: Will their ever be a seoson 5?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.237.37.80 (talk) 21:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one can really answer that when season 4 hasn't even aired yet. :P AnmaFinotera (talk) 21:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 5 

message: "as neither Animal Planet nor the Kalahari Meerkat Project have released any lists or guides to document the renamings."
FKMP has released something, but its only available to Friends of the Kalahari Meerkat Project members(which costs money) and cannot be shared, so I guess that point is kinda off. Anyway, its up to Collectonian if she wants to add it in and how(wow it sounds like you rule this article, lol). Cruise meerkat (talk) 00:34, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a web site that shows specifically that such a list is available for purchase?  If so, then it can be mentioned. AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. Added.  Too bad they are only making it available for people who pay though :( AnmaFinotera (talk) 21:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorporate This..? 

message: There is a stuffed meerkat on discovery. Should that be on the products section.Roving male 074 (talk) 19:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, from what I saw on Discovery's site, it is not specifically a Meerkat Manor product and one they had before the show launch. AnmaFinotera (talk) 21:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I took a look but those are also just generic meerkat shirts rather than for Meerkat Manor.  The only Meerkat Manor specific merchandise seems to be the DVDs and the inidvidual episode downloads. AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:27, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

text: In wikipedia, merchandise can refer to movies, books, etc per the television series MOS.  There have been no objections to it in the current FA review. AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Products 

message: MoviesOnDemand said, "After all, it's just a show about stupid meerkats.... The popularity of any TV show has nothing to say about importance, quality, etc. It only says that couch potatoes found nothing else to watch in the time slot."
I disagree with all of that. I am a huge fan of Meerkat Manor. I have followed the characters, their lives, their good times, their bad times, their struggles to find food, their births, their deahts, their rivalries, their battles, and their overthrows to replace old leaders with new ones. I have seen many animal documentaries over my lifetime, and this is the best of all them. Meerkat Manor is far better than any "reality show" or "soap opera." Unlike those shows, this one really is real. Characters on this show die, for real. Characters that I grew to know and care about died. I have placed aconsiderable emotional investment in this program. Meerkat Manor is a wondeful show, and it deserves an article this long. In fact, I liked the article better when it was even longer, before so many cuts had been made to it.
Grundle2600 (talk) 16:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd ignore those remarks all together.  He was an abusive sockpuppet with a grudge trying to derail the FAC for the article. :( I am curious, though, as to what you feel was cut out?  Some inappropriate and unnecessary stuff was removed, but most of the information is still available, now well sourced, albeit the episodes and meerkat info are in their own articles now.  The article has also been greatly expanded to include a lot of information that was never here, like the production information and reaction sections. Was there something in particular you feel is now missing? AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article used to have a list of every meerkat in the Whiskers group. I know there's a separate article for that now, and that's fine. However, the current version of that separate article only lists some of them. I miss the complete list that used to be in this older version. Grundle2600 (talk) 17:22, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah.  Unfortunately, that fuller list is not appropriate for inclusion (either here or in the separate list). Many of the minor meerkats listed there were never even named in the episodes, so the names are either OR or completely made up. Those who only appeared in a single episode really don't need to be mentioned here. The rest are really very minor and only appeared in one or two episodes, and have no sourable information beyond "was seen in episode X" or "another of Flower's many pups", which, again, wouldn't add a great deal of value to the list of meerkats or the article.  The list mentions all of the major meerkats from the series, with extensive sourcing.  While I understand it may not meet the desires of fans, it does follow Wikipedia guidelines and policies, which discourage the inclusion of minor characters from series information and "character" lists.  AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Those are good points. Grundle2600 (talk) 20:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Section break for easier discussion

message: Where are the archives for this talk page?  -- AvatarMN (talk) 01:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The talk header at the top has links to them. AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The what?  <combs all that boring fine print that I've read so many times that I've trained my eyes to skip over>  Oh.  There it is.  Pretty damned hard to find, when every other talk page I've ever seen has an easy-to-spot box.  -- AvatarMN (talk) 01:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, its a relatively new thing. On pages with a talk header, the archive boxes are being removed. Those without a talk header get an archive box. Makes it smaller and more compact, but does take getting used to. AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archives