Talk:Martin Eberhard

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message: I moved these from the main article per WP:ELNO - some may or may not be usable as reference material:
*  A CNBC interview with Tesla founders Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpening
* An interview with Tesla Motors' founding father
* Comments on Eberhard's lecture at the Stanford Entrepreneurial Thought Leaders Seminar, 10 October 2007
* Do Something Meaningful, Martin Eberhard speaks at Stanford
* innovate podcast (Stanford), interview with Martin, 17 November 2007
* Innovators: Powered by Pragmatism
* Martin giving a presentation to the Executive MBA class at the University of San Francisco
* Official Tesla Motors website
* Silicon Valley entrepreneurs race for electric car market
- David Gerard (talk) 19:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , I agree. The CNBC video isn't necessary, the second link is a 404, third link is a bare link to a forum, fourth link has a bad SSL cert AND is a 404, fifth link is a blog in contravention of WP:ELNO, sixth link is an archive.org link to a parked domain, the official tesla motors site has no need to be there, and the mercury news link is a 404. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:43, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

text: , that section was deleted as there was no sourcing in it. Unsourced claims shouldn't be added to a WP:BLP. The press drama and if he was a founder of Tesla should be covered in the article, not via an external link. Per WP:ELNO,  If it should be covered in the article we shouldn't be using external links. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

text: , Please stop reverting on the article, or you're likely to be blocked for edit warring. You're already at 5+ reverts in 24 hours. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:54, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

text: That there are  shows that WP:CONSENSUS seems to be against your edits, so that leaves you to discuss with the goal of swaying others to your position. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:01, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

text: , just a heads up, there's also some discussion on their talk page about this. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:33, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like the vast majority of PamKayJohnson's edits have been reverted so I am not sure why the article itself should have COI banner. Certainly one on the Talk page is appropriate though. QRep2020 (talk) 16:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have to agree. The talk space tags make sense, but article space tag is generally reserved for pending substantial or controversial rewrites. I haven't seen it used in one-off cases where the user was quickly reverted. --Elephanthunter (talk) 18:14, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

text: She's been at least one IP as well - David Gerard (talk) 17:36, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like the template has been removed, which I don't see an issue with at this time. I see the connected contributor template has already been placed on this talk page as well. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:40, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

text: Indeed David Gerard, you are right, I was one IP. That was before I had made an account for myself, which I made so I could access your talk page when I had questions about the removal of the external links and to ask what to do about the slanderous comments that kept being added repeatedly over months. Thank you very much for your help and understanding and I apologise for my not being fully informed about the process.PamKayJohnson (talk) 17:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

text: I don't see any actual sourcing for his DoB or birth place in the article right now. I'm removing it for now, pending some evidence that it is widely published in reliable secondary sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:52, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah I didn't even see that it wasn't sourced, so good catch. I'd argue that even if we find reliable sources, we should just publish the birth year per WP:DOB since there is evidence the subject of the biography is concerned about identity theft. --Elephanthunter (talk) 18:01, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , I think the threshold in policy is widely published in secondary sources. If that's the case then it doesn't matter if it's in the article because it's still a quick search away. It seems we're far from that standard though. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:04, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

text: , All set. thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

text: A link on the talk page? Per talk page guidelines we generally won't edit posts to the talk page, rather we'll keep them as an full archive of discussions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:45, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

text: , it would only be WP:DUE if there were reliable secondary sources discussing the podcast. That's fairly uncommon for new podcasts, generally they only get press coverage once they're popular. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:36, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

text: I probably won't have any time to look into this until some time next week. We can't use a wikipedia article as a source, so I suggest you look through that article and find the appropriate source that it uses. Per WP:V we have to be able to verify information on wikipedia, so if there's no way to verify where he worked 40 years ago then it may be removed. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:04, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

text: I added the Cooper Hewitt and Business Insider sources. The rest were either user generated, which we can't use, or mirrors of wikipedia, which we also can't use. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:05, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

text: That's fine. Reverting vandalism is always acceptable. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:38, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

text: I've also requested the edits be removed from the history. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:42, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

text: If it continues to be an issue I'll request page protection. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:46, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

text: To be honest, I have no idea. I would assume it's not, but I'm no expert. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:50, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

text: It doesn't look like vandalism. The lead should follow the body, and there is no mention of invention in the body. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:00, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

text: A secondary source would be best, as there are plenty of people with patents that aren't known as inventors. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:56, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excess external links