Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/templates/navboxes

message: As Basique suggested at the WP:CMC talk page, we ought to create some guidelines for the creation and use of character navboxes. Conflict arose in the editing of , and it might not have happened if we had some guidance in place.
First, I think we have to answer some questions, including:
#Why do we need Navboxes? What purpose do they serve?
#What sort of information belongs in one?
#What should the Navboxes look like? How large can they be?
#How should they be organized, particularly with regard to other media?
#How/why/when should characters be listed, and when is it better to link to "List of characters" articles?--Chris Griswold 03:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Navboxes

message: Does WP:CMC really have any particular wuthority to even SET a standard that all others must adhere to? I think that's the first part of this discussion. IF Jimbo Wales deputized the WP:CMC to have more powers than other editors, then I guess we don't really need all this FALSE civility, since WP:CMC will do what they already do. Come in, do what they want, and ignore other editors, then as they leave, link to a page like this and say 'see? we do have the authority, come lavish us with praise for our behavior'. I've said it before, I'm saying it again. I won't back down from bullies. Given your representatives in this situation proudly display infoxoes stating they ARE bullies, I see no reason to continue paying any attention to WP:Comics demands and hostile actions. In the future, I will simply summarily revert any such attack edits.ThuranX 13:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What are "infoxoes" and who uses them to proudly proclaim they're bullies?  I believe the standards we're trying to set with this discussion are for WP:CMC navboxes alone (as you can see from the title of the project page).  The idea is to create standards for regularity and consistency, which can help prevent editors from seeing consensus-driven edits to navboxes as attacks.  I think we'd all appreciate your input into this discussion, citing policies, guidelines, and sensible, rational arguments for how you wish these tools to look, instead of your denouncing of our efforts toward consensus.  Remember, Wikipedia is not a democracy, but is rather driven by discussion.   --Newt ΨΦ 17:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

text: ThuranX does bring up a valid point in that while many of these navboxes are based on comic book characters, (and thus we feel, as WP:CMC editors, they fall under our domain) they could have creators from the TV or Film wikiprojects among others and we should work together with those editors to create a consensus as well before changing bits that they may see as necessary or informative. --Newt ΨΦ 20:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully we can prevent cases of navbox overload such as in the case of Spider-Man's page. --Basique 03:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The authority to do anything?

message: *The navboxes has the same purpose as Categories ?--Brown Shoes22 14:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The purpose of Navboxes

message: ===Individual characters===
*Long member listings don't belong; we have articles that take care of that, and navboxes can link to those. Navboxes should be more than a simple list, they should be a collection of information that would not fit into one list but which might all be interesting to a reader of the article into which the navbox template is placed. --Chris Griswold 20:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The information navboxes should contain

message: *Long member listings don't belong; we have articles that take care of that, and navboxes can link to those. Navboxes should be more than a simple list, they should be a collection of information that would not fit into one list but which might all be interesting to a reader of the article into which the navbox template is placed. --Chris Griswold 20:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Individual characters

message: There has been some recent editing conflict on some of the superhero navboxes, specificly for characters of Flash (comics) and Green Lantern.  I thought this would be a good opportunity to discuss exemplars, format and style, to provide a certain degree of uniformity to the hero pages. I have thought that the Batman, Superman, and Captain Marvel navboxes have served a great models to follow.  
*1. There is a question on whether under "Creators" whether this should list the creators of the  original specific characters; or if the creators should list the creators of any subsequent character who has carried the mantle of GL or Flash? 
*2. What establishes an enemy as a "major villian" and thus their inclusion in the box?
*3  What is consider a storyline for the characters?
*4. I would also encourage discussion of what is looked for in a navbox, to establish a general format to build from. 
I feel this discussion could help to resolve or avoid future editing conflicts. 66.109.248.114 22:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Template Talk (Navigating Navboxes)

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Intersting. it's no longer a template, it's now a NAVBOX. Interestingly, I designed a template. however, now that I know the intent of WP Comics is to produce a Batman navbox, I wish you all well. Since that was the purpose of the massive edits to Template:The Batman, I can now revert them, and allow WP:Comics to produce it's own Navbox elsewhere. I wish you all well.ThuranX 04:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The template you created is a navbox, just like , the one you used as a base. Navboxes help a reader navigate to related subjects. Guy, seriously, calm down. Please take a look at all of the other templates listed in :Category:Comic book navbox templates and see that they all do the same thing  one does. --Chris Griswold 04:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A navbox is a type of template, designed to provide information and links on a topic in a standardized format.  I know that you're angry, ThuranX, but there's no need to behave this way. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Specific Navboxes

message: Intersting. it's no longer a template, it's now a NAVBOX. Interestingly, I designed a template. however, now that I know the intent of WP Comics is to produce a Batman navbox, I wish you all well. Since that was the purpose of the massive edits to Template:The Batman, I can now revert them, and allow WP:Comics to produce it's own Navbox elsewhere. I wish you all well.ThuranX 04:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The template you created is a navbox, just like , the one you used as a base. Navboxes help a reader navigate to related subjects. Guy, seriously, calm down. Please take a look at all of the other templates listed in :Category:Comic book navbox templates and see that they all do the same thing  one does. --Chris Griswold 04:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A navbox is a type of template, designed to provide information and links on a topic in a standardized format.  I know that you're angry, ThuranX, but there's no need to behave this way. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: {{tl|The Batman}}

message: These need to go. Character articles already have prominent links to the groups they belong to; those team pages either list the entire roster or link to separate page that does. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 06:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Membership navboxes