Talk:Jesus/Archive 43

message: I've archived a bunch. If I moved something that's a live discussion, I apologize. Please copy it back, if that's the case. It was just getting too hard to see what was going on... --CTSWyneken 15:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I usually sort the latest archive in the evening, when the page is quiter (after 10pm here, or 4am UTC). I'll have to sort out the discussion on paragraph 3 and put it in the "Christian views in intro"  archives. Since Aiden is on a 48-hour block, I cannot be sure whether or not that conversation was really over ;) Arch O. LaTalkTCF 16:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: March 9 Archive

message: Whats up with it? Its seems to have totally changed from what it was. First Haldrik vandalize it and changes it into a transliteration. Now it has changed so much it no longer what the Rambam wrote. Can something be done about these "vandals." ems 23:16, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One more point, the previous version seemed of been quoting more than what was its reference. I'll fix this all up in a few hours. ems 23:33, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The translation you introduced is highly "paraphrastic" and inaccurate. Such a loose translation is not acceptable in an encyclopedic context. For that reason, a literal translation was provided. Jayjg edited the literal translation to standardize naming conventions, and the result is high quality. It BEST represents what the Rambam himself said, in Hebrew. --Haldrik 19:13, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation of Mishneh Torah 

message: When it was evening, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who was also a disciple of Jesus. He went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus; then Pilate ordered it to be given to him. So Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen cloth and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn in the rock. He then rolled a great stone to the door of the tomb and went away. Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were there, sitting opposite the tomb. Matt 27:57-61NRSV
Now there was a good and righteous man named Joseph, who, though a member of the council, had not agreed to their plan and action. He came from the Jewish town of Arimathea, and he was waiting expectantly for the kingdom of God. This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then he took it down, wrapped it in a linen cloth, and laid it in a rock-hewn tomb where no one had ever been laid. It was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning. The women who had come with him from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how his body was laid. Then they returned, and prepared spices and ointments. On the sabbath they rested according to the commandment. Luke 23:50-56NRSV
After these things, Joseph of Arimathea, who was a disciple of Jesus, though a secret one because of his fear of the Jews, asked Pilate to let him take away the body of Jesus. Pilate gave him permission; so he came and removed his body. Nicodemus, who had at first come to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, weighing about a hundred pounds. They took the body of Jesus and wrapped it with the spices in linen cloths, according to the burial custom of the Jews. Now there was a garden in the place where he was crucified, and in the garden there was a new tomb in which no one had ever been laid. And so, because it was the Jewish day of Preparation, and the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there. John 19:38-42NRSV
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.201.25.132 (talk • contribs) 
:Alright, "entombed" as per those Gospel references. I caught your edit conflict with Jason Eiler. Some free advice: people will be more likely to listen to you if you register. Go ahead, it's free! If you are registered, please sign in. Arch O. LaTalkTCF 05:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer "entombed", but at an early age memorized "... was crucified, died, and was buried..."  How come the creed says buried?  Does anyone know? Rick Norwood 19:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's normal to refer to tombs as "burials", especially in the sense of being placed ceremonially underground. --Haldrik 22:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Heh. American Heritage Dictionary (definition 2): bury 1. To place in the ground: bury a bone. 2a. To place (a corpse) in a grave, a tomb, or the sea. 2b. To dispose of (a corpse) ritualistically by means other than cremation. --Haldrik 22:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Still, I probably prefer "entombed". It's meaning is unambiguous and vivid. --Haldrik 22:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Four tildes, please. BTW, it's not just English. "Persons" comes from translating the Greek "hypostasis" as the Latin "persona". Arch O. LaTalkTCF 21:08, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jesus was entombed, not buried

message: I reworked and reorderd parts of the bio section. I ended up cutting a sentence that dealt with the Christian perspective here:
:For most Christians, only the virgin birth and the Incarnation itself are major articles of faith for this period of time before the beginning of Jesus' ministry.
I couldn't find an appropriate place for this under the Christian perspective section because the whole this is basically about the ressurection. Personally, I am fine cutting the sentence from the entire article, but if someone wants to work to incorporate this text in the Christian perspective section, that would also be fine.--Andrew c 16:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We really should work the virgin birth, incarnation and miracles into the Christian perspective section. The way the sentence is phrased, though, I'm not sure how to make it fit. Arch O. LaTalkTCF 03:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Andrew c's recent changes