Talk:Missouri River

message: The first reference USGS GNIS: Missouri River is broken.  I cannot figure out how to fix it.  I believe the link should be: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=gnispq:3:::NO::P3_FID:756398
--The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brentl99  2009-06-23 14:40 (UTC)
:Thanks for the info. The reference is fixed. --HYC (talk) 01:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Reference 

message: I like the geographic map at the top, but I'd also like to see a map of the river with state borders so I can quickly graphically see what states it goes through.  --zandperl 15:12, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: Missouri the "longest". See: List of rivers by length for discussion of considerations taken into account. Jerry picker 18:15, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longest River? 

message: The article lacks actual stats on the average discharge of the Missouri, something that most of the articles on major rivers seem to have (rather just having unquantified comparisons with the upstream Mississippi and the Ohio).  Can anyone provide?  Alai 22:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discharge? 

message: Note: I've made a relatively minor edit to the main article to correct a misunderstanding that although the Milk River is the only river in Canada that drains into the Gulf of Mexico via the Missouri, it is not the only watershed in Canada that drains into the Gulf.  The Poplar River (Saskatchewan-Montana) watershed extends into Canada even if the river itself does not.   See also http://www.swa.ca/Maps/ (Saskatchewan Watershed Authority)  Dzubint 20:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Canadian drainage into the Gulf of Mexico

message: Wow.  This article is pretty well written.  It looks pretty good.  The picture describes the article. (Well) :) Atm153 00:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. The edit link for the whole article is found at the top of the page. --HYC (talk) 01:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correctness 

message: There are more dams on the Missouri than just the Ft. Peck Dam.  Great Falls, MT has five dams near the city; the Black Eagle Dam, Rainbow Dam, Cochrane Dam, Ryan Dam, and the Morony Dam.  Upstream of Great Falls are the Holter Dam, Hauser Dam, Canyon Ferry Dam, and the Hosten Dam.  See List of crossings of the Missouri River.Andercee 23:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Montana Dams

message: Here is the Wikipedia article on river source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_(river_or_stream)
:"More specifically, a source is defined as the most distant point (from the river mouth) in the drainage basin from which water runs year-around, or, alternatively, the furthest point from which water could possibly flow. [1] This latter definition includes sometimes-dry channels and removes any possible definitions that would have the river source "move around" from month to month depending on precipitation or ground water levels. This definition, from geographer Andrew Johnston of the Smithsonian Institution, is also used by the National Geographic Society when pinpointing the actual source of rivers such as the Amazon or Nile.
:Other authoritative geographic definitions agree, stressing that a river source is never a confluence but is in a location that is the farthest, along water miles, from where that river ends."
I think that makes it pretty clear that the source of the Missouri is not the confluence of 3 rivers but likely to be Brower's Spring  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Macgroover (talk • contribs) 08:06, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction of definition of Source 

message: This article is too developed to be a Start Class. It should be reassessed to a C or B Class. serioushat 06:57, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reassessment 

message: Sort of a minor issue - but should St. Louis be listed among the other cities in the infobox? I realize the river's proximity and importance to the development of the city, but the Missouri's mouth looks like it's 5 or 10 miles north of the city. AlexiusHoratius 17:10, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know -- the Missouri River does flow through the metro area of St. Louis but passes a few miles north of downtown. I think 5-10 miles is an acceptable distance, but for instance 50 miles would not. Feel free to change as you wish - I'm not sure about this... Shannontalk contribs 17:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine - I'm cool with leaving it in, just thought I'd mention it and see what others thought. I was trying to think of a good comparison and couldn't at first - maybe it's like saying Houston is on the Gulf coast - it technically isn't but essentially is, sort of. Either one is fine with me. AlexiusHoratius 18:56, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

text: I realize I’m very late to this debate, but one of St. Louis’ defining characteristics, and the reason it was founded, is it’s location at the confluence of the two rivers. In addition St. Louis is the city with the most historical importance to the whole Missouri River catchment, as there defacto capital of the fur trade in the 18th and 19th centuries then as the major departing point for the west in general, the Missouri River and associates land trails were the the reason for this and the cities nickname “Gateway to the West”. Grey Wanderer (talk) 22:42, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  St. Louis 

message: I notice that the bar graph showing the monthly discharges at Herman and that showing the average discharges at selected cities do not have labels on the Y axis. Why? Surely labels and units would improve the graph. I've created figures with labels using the timeline routines – see Lake Faguibine and Bani River (bottom figure – other is a svg created before I understood the software) Aa77zz (talk) 17:37, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Labels on bar charts 

message: In the article's subsection headed "Passage to Sioux City," the length of the river's navigation channel -- from Sioux City to St. Louis -- is given as 735 miles.  In the same subsection, the channel's portion from Kansas City to St. Louis is given as 553 miles.  Unless I'm missing something, that makes the difference -- i.e., the portion from Sioux City down to Kansas City -- less than two hundred miles (735 minus 553); but even in a straight line -- i.e., without consideration of bends in the river -- the distance between those cities appears to be at least two hundred fifty miles (closer to three hundred) on Google Maps.108.36.209.26 (talk) 19:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct.  The Missouri River mile marker (which is based on the length from the mouth) at the Kansas River in Kansas City is 367.  Adding insult to injury is that the mile marker for Sioux City is 753 (not 735 as described) although the river is technically navigable all the way to the Gavins Point Dam and Mile Marker 811.  It seems like a lot of factual errors have been introduced into this article since I last extensively edited.  They are serious enough that this article may not deserve "Good Article" status.Americasroof (talk) 20:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your prompt and thorough reply.  I'd been wondering, too, about that additional question, i.e., how far above Sioux City the river is navigable.  Without getting into details, I'll say I can sympathize with your distress at the disruption of an article with which you've taken care.  I'll leave you to make the changes, if any, you think necessary in response to my question.108.36.209.26 (talk) 21:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the mile 735 marker is a little upstream of Sioux City, I don't know how you guys got a figure of 753 miles, but I got mine from the USGS topo map of the area. Sioux City sits straight on mile 732. And yes, it's the figure from Kansas City to the mouth that's wrong. The Kansas River comes in at mile 368. Shannºn</span> 07:38, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record:  I didn't "get" any figures at all.  I just asked a question.108.36.209.26 (talk) 02:40, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers right? 

message: This article (which is great) says the Missouri "is joined by the Gallatin a mile (.6 km) downstream." I'm not sure what the actual facts are, but I'm pretty sure this is wrong. Could someone check? · rodii · 22:19, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it was wrong. I've thought it was weird for a while, I just fixed it Shannºn</span> 23:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, 1.6., duh! Thanks. · rodii · 01:35, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  How long is a mile? 

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message: The following statement has been repeatedly added by (an) IP editor(s) and then removed as not needed here, original research, unsourced commentary or as an unsupported claim by other editors, including me:
Depending on the time of year, the Missouri River basin often contributes more water to the Lower Mississippi River just north of St. Louis, than the Upper Mississippi River, meaning the Missouri River could and often is considered the true chief river, not the Mississippi River.
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My initial opinion is that if this text is actually relevant to the article, and it is not yet clear that it is, then it must be supported by a reliable source. Poltair (talk) 20:34, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Contentious statement

message: There is an issue with how the table in Missouri_River#Navigation is aligned with the text. The text seemingly sticks to the table. I don't know where the problem lies. Somebody who does know; please fix it. - thx! -- Isidor Welti (talk) 15:58, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missouri_River#Navigation table 

message: The article currently says:  
Most of the watershed receives an average of 8 to 10 inches (200 to 250 mm) of precipitation each year. However, the western most portions of the basin in the Rockies as well as southeastern regions in Missouri may receive as much as 40 inches (1,000 mm).
  
Both of these statements cite the same reference, a 2006 report by the US Army Corps of Engineers.  But the relevant passage in that report appears to be:  
Normal average annual precipitation ranges from as low as 8 to 10 inches just east of the Rocky Mountains to more than 40 inches in the southeastern part of the basin and in parts of the Rocky Mountains.
  
It's much different to say 8 to 10 inches is the average than to say 8 to 10 inches is the lower bound of the precipitation range.  (8 to 10 inches is quite dry, drier than the state average of Nevada, the driest state in the Union.)   128.187.112.28 (talk) 128.187.112.28 (talk) 20:42, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Average Precipitation in the Watershed 

message: The first paragraph states that the Missouri is much longer and cites geographical data that doesn't explicitly state it as such. The article, List of longest rivers of the United States (by main stem), has their length 1 mile, or 2 kilometers, apart. While the definition of the word "much" may be in question, I do not see evidence to suggest that the Missouri River is significantly longer than the Mississippi River. A better wording here may be "nominally larger." FortySeven90K (talk) 21:04, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Change made by another Wikipedia user in April resolves this topic. FortySeven90K (talk) 17:04, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is late, but the Missouri is indeed much longer (by about 250 miles) if measured to the furthest source. The main-stem length is pretty similar, though, and I assume that's what is in question here. Shannon [ Talk ] 16:53, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "much longer" than the Mississippi? 

message: If it's longer than the Mississippi and carries a comparable amount of water, as the lead states, why is the Missouri the tributary rather than the main river? Is there some hydrological definition that makes it so, or is it just historically so? Could the article explain this? Furius (talk) 23:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tributary of the Mississippi