Talk:Calgary Stampede

message: Here's a little bit of a possible contradiction I recently discovered:
* http://www.stampede.coolattractions.com/history.html - "1932 The Calgary Exhibition joined with the Stampede to become the Calgary Exhibition and Stampede "
* http://www.canadianencyclopedia.ca/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=M1ARTM0012302 - "In 1923, the rodeo merged with the Calgary Industrial Exhibition", same article also says 1932 is the year when Weadick was fired (from the organization he founded).
This is a little confusing.  Was the "The Calgary Exhibition" the same as "Calgary Industrial Exhibition".  If different, did they both merge into the present organization.  If so, both years are needed.    
Is the 1923 reference just a transposition error for 1932.?  Was Weadick fired the same year the Stampede and Exhibition merged?
For now I'll stick with the CalgaryStampede.com source.  The only reason I would like to use the other source, is it mentions Weadicks departure, which seems like a major event.  However, if I doubt one year in the article, I have to doubt all of them.  Weadicks departure does not seem to be discussed in many places. --rob 17:33, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  TimeLine confusion 

message: I'm cleaning up some disambiguation bits and bobs, and this page links to the exhibition page.  I am not entirely convinced on the best true redirect, as I have (sadly) never been to Calgary during the stampede.  For the moment I'll go with "fair" which does not seem to do it justice - please correct if wrong, and accept my apologies.  State fair is another possibility, but the onward link seems very USA orientated, hence somehow wrong for an all Canadian event. LeeG 14:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Disambiguation to fair is appropriate.  -- JamesTeterenko 14:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, thanks. I'll remove the link from the title to the disambiguation page too.  Makes my life a bit easier!  LeeG 14:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of Exhibition disambiguation link

message: beforehand the ending of this paragraph suggested that only tourists dress in western attire. Also, I know for a fact, since i heard it from Max Foran during his class on the Stampede at U of C, that tourists only makeup a small percentage of visitors to the stampede, something like 20%. I can't find a source, however. Kilter 03:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  change to intro paragraph 

message: Are the rodeo events held in the Saddledome or in a temporary bleacher or something else?  A curious Edmontonian.  Kevlar67 21:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a permanent outdoor arena on the Stampede Grounds that hosts rodeo action.  It is within sight of the Saddledome to the southwest.  Seats about 15,000, iirc. Resolute 07:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just exatcly where is the rodeo venue? 

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message: Not knowing anything about Canadian history, and never having attended the Stampede, I was confused by the mention of the Big Four. It doesn't have its own Wikipedia page, (Big Four doesn't mention them) and the only explanation on the Burns page is the '"Big Four" western cattle kings who started the stampede'.
The things I would like to see included here are: Who made up the term? And did it even apply to these men BEFORE they came together to finance the Stampede?
As for the rest of the article, only the controversy section is fleshed out, and then only the animal welfare controversies. (If Weadick was fired, for example, I imagine that it caused controversy). Everything in the lead paragraphs should be expanded upon in the main body of the article, as per the rest of Wikipedia. I plan to do some research myself, but surely Canadians have better access to sources than I do. Fleebo (talk) 05:39, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Four 

message: I'm not quite clear why my addition of "Western Showcase" which is the Western Art Show directly associated with the Calgary Stampede, keeps being removed from the Events section of the page.  It is an integral part of the overall 10 day event known as the Calgary Stampede, and takes place on Stampede Park under the auspices of the Calgary Stampede Association, yet I've been advised that '... one or more of the external links you added to the page Calgary Stampede do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used as a platform for advertising or promotion, and doing so is contrary to the goals of this project....'.
I can only guess that the problem might be that Western Showcase (like most areas of the Calgary Stampede) has its own stand-alone website outside of www.calgarystampede.com which is somehow being considered in some way an inappropriate advertisement of a non-Stampede event on the Stampede wikipedia page, which it is not.
Yycdjj (talk) 09:27, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your latest addition I reverted as it is a direct copy off their webpage, and therefore is a copyright violation.  If the prose is going to remain, you will need to rewrite it in your own words using reliable sources.  The Western Showcase webpage itself is a good starting point for a source, but it would help if there was additional references unrelated to the Stampede's websites for further sourcing - i.e.: if there is newspaper coverage of the Showcase.  I'd say to rewrite the section, and you should be ok with it.  As far as the addition of the external link goes, I'd probably leave it off.  The link will be added as one of your references, so will exist in the article without requiring a second mention.  Hope this helps! Resolute 17:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
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message: Through the article, there are a number of uses of "the Stampede".  I agree that Calgary Stampede should be capitalised as a proper name, but should it be "a stampede" or "the stampede", as I don't think that a stampede by itself is a proper name.  Any thoughts?  OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 17:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, "Stampede" is always capitalized in RSes when referring to the Calgary Stampede: , .  To my mind, it is something similar to the handling of a sports team's name.  The Calgary Flames are still shortened to "Flames" rather than "flames". Resolute 19:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: i see your point, but this is not the only stampede, rather a stampede is a type of event.  To me this looks like Kentucky Derby or Hickstead Derby which are both derby competitions as per the WP:MOS, or away from sport Oxford University or Yale University are both universities.  Capitalised when they are part of the proper name, lower case without.  The capitalisation like that in sources doesn't neceassarily mean we should do it here, but should follow our own MOS.  I'm not sure that this is the same a sports team (where I think capitals do apply).  Any more thoughts out there? OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 19:07, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Owain, the sports team analogy works here.  The "derby" reference doesn't work for rodeos, as names like "roundup," "stampede,""Whoop-up days" "Frontier Days" or whatever don't distinguish different types, they are all just cutesy ways to not call every rodeo-with-extra-stuff just a "rodeo."  Thus "THE Stampede" is capitalized because "A stampede" is simply when a bunch of animals run off.  Hence here, "the rodeo" would be lower case, but "the Stampede" would be correct.  (Also, pretty much every rodeo I know of that has "stampede" in its title --i.e. Last Chance Stampede, etc. --  began after Calgary, so borrowing inspiration from the fount...)  Montanabw(talk) 19:18, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Well, keep in mind that a stampede is not the same as the Stampede.  In this case, it is being used as the proper name of the event.  i.e.: in 2005, nine horses died in a stampede as they were being led to the Stampede.  If you decapitalize the latter usage, that statement becomes nonsensical.  Resolute 19:29, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Exactly my point, only said better!  Montanabw(talk) 21:15, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I still don't agree, i'm afraid - WP:MOSCAPS is pretty clear.  As this is page about the event, any reference to "the stampede" will be automatically believed to be linked to the Calgary Stampede, so no sense is lost.  For instance at Harvard University, a number of paragraphs and sentences start with "The university...", but no reader is left in doubt as to which university is meant in the article.  I look at Montana's argument about more or less every rodeo having stampede in the title, but draw the opposite conclusion, in that it suggests to me that it has becoem a generic word in English corpus usage (regardless of whether it was the first or not) and as such, is just like 'university'.  I'm tempted to RfC this with some MOSCAPS type people. OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 04:35, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we can resolve this without the time and effort of an RfC, which will drag every disgruntled editor on wiki into what currently is a generally amicable discussion.  Perhaps some places we can replace "The Stampede" with "the rodeo" or something to avoid the problem altogether. I'll take a peek at that and see where it can be done without looking silly.   (And I didn't say "every" rodeo is a "stampede!" (grin) just that it's one of a collection of terms like "roundup" and XYZ Days" that, unlike "Derby" (or derby) does not any particularly different type or class of rodeo.)   My own thinking on the matter is influenced by, as an example, legal writing, when one is speaking of courts in general, it is lower case, but when one is addressing the court that has one's own case in front of it, one says, "this Court," or "the Court"  -- a similar usage is almost always adhered to when speaking of the Supreme Court.   Useful snippets from MOSCAPS:: Wikipedia:MOSCAPS#Institutions the institution is all caps, the term not.  I can see Owain's argument there, but the section doesn't address the "The Institution" issue.  Of help to my view, the general guideline:   "Capital letters are sometimes a matter of regional differences. If possible, as with spelling, use rules appropriate to the cultural and linguistic context."  Montanabw(talk) 14:55, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, no.  "Stampede" in this case is a proper noun, and as such is capitalized.  This fact is supported in common usage, and WP:MOSCAPS actually supports the current position (general principles).  I do not see value in making pointless changes of "Stampede" to "the rodeo" or similar to appease one editor who dislikes this reality. Resolute 15:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

text: I think you may have added "Calgary" a few too many times, but those are fair changes overall.  I am going to reverse one change, which I believe made the statement less accurate, however: the movies were filmed at the Stampede.  "On location" could be assumed to mean on the park, whether or not the Stampede itself was happening. Resolute 22:45, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Stampede or stampede? 

message: I've done some copy-editing on the article, feel free to revert if I've unintentionally altered your meaning anywhere. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thanks for the quick re-review!  I've addressed most.  I was already a little concerned about the two images - there is zero doubt they are both public domain due to age, but I also am aware that image extremists might hold the lack of author info as a problem despite the fact both are 100 years old.  Author information is most certainly not available for either.   Also, for moving the sections, is there any particular reason? Resolute 01:32, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Well, saying the author is unknown would be considered better than the "lacking info" tag, even though there is effectively no difference :-). As for the section order: it's a personal preference, but the events section doesn't rely on the venue section and would seem to be of greater importance, and employment would seem more vital than the Young Canadians section. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *I've changed the one image, a little unsure of the second (Weadick).  And please change the sections as you think might work.  I am interested to see how it looks. Resolute 23:39, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: I am concerned about the bias shown by User:Resolute all their editing seems to be in a very promotional style and I am curious how closely connected to the articles subject they are.
For example we have comments such as:
"Quite simply, the Stampede is Calgary. It defines this city's identity and history and is one of Canada's largest and most important festivals, and a party perhaps without equal in this country."
And here they seem to be saying they are using the article like some sort of advert:
"I have been slowly working on the article over a period of about two years, but with the centennial Stampede coming next year, I used this year's event to drive the final push in the hopes that it will be featured in time for next year's celebration."
This and much of their editing seem to demonstate they are unlikely to be able to edit this article in a truly neutral way.87.113.213.225 (talk) 17:37, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So... your issues are with my description of the event in the FA nomination, and not the article itself?  Naturally, my FA nomination explained why I felt it was an important topic, and yes, I do enjoy bringing articles with upcoming major milestones to FA with the intention of it appearing on the main page.  This would actually be the third for me, after History of the Montreal Canadiens (centennial) and Terry Fox (30th anniversary of run).  WP:TFAR actually encourages date-relevant nominations.  I would make note that the article went to both WP:PR and WP:FAC, where several editors assessed the quality of the article, including for NPOV.  Your complaints also come after I myself initiated a discussion at the relevant noticeboard for further input.  In short, you have offered no evidence to support your claims on this article. Resolute 17:46, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Using the self description of the event in the lead also lends a rather advert like style. The editor also appears to be less than accurate when mentioning criticism. Lumping those mentioned in one section into the animal rights community when it was shown as a wide group including MPs etc. Similar when stating the royal couple "refused" when no response from them was actually shown. As indicated in a tag I am also concerned about the closely connected sources used particuarly in some of the earlier stuff.87.113.213.225 (talk) 17:59, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I also note no statement has been made regarding how closely connected to the subject the editor is.87.113.213.225 (talk) 18:01, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because my only connection to the Stampede is to walk through Stampede Park on the way to the Scotiabank Saddledome to attend hockey games. Resolute 18:16, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed another bit of less than accurate info in welfare section and checking for more.87.113.213.225 (talk) 19:34, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw that, and thank you for that updated info.  I have reformated the reference to match the article style. Resolute 19:37, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: Just saw that this is the featured article of the day. So I decided to upload my scanned slides from 1982 a bit earlier than I had planned. The quality is what you would expect for 30 year old 35mm slides. I don't know if any of the recognicable people are celebrities, or just "innocent" bystanders, but perhaps we have some experts here. --Rainer Halama (talk) 00:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you give us a link to the group?  Montanabw(talk) 03:52, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's right there→ to the right. 117Avenue (talk) 04:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
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message: Hello, I added three new pictures, which had superior quality and were more relevant to the subjects but my edits were reverted by  for whom I have a great respect. Thanks --Gnosis (talk) 05:14, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, this is a featured article, so major changes need to be discussed first.  Second, when someone is inserting photos they themselves took, they have a pretty high burden to demonstrate that they are clearly superior for the purpose intended. So the lead image you changed, at thumbnail size was tiny, mostly showing arena dirt and the bucking horse was partially blocked by the pickup riders; and the cheerleader photo was just mindless T&A.  The showband photo had similar problems, the existing image showing a bit larger pattern and in daylight.  While an image of higher resolution is nice when the content is also an improvement, merely having more pixels does not a better image make.  Montanabw(talk) 04:33, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: I have added back the Phil news.  I can't see why it wouldn't/shouldn't be included. TVGarfield (talk) 06:53, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it is irrelevant to the subject of this article, for one. Resolute 00:43, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. This information does not belong in this article. By the way, this is a Featured Article, and all edits should be posted to the talk page first and discussed.dawnleelynn(talk) 17:07, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Ignore my last edit summary...it was a typo. It should say I do not believe the bit belongs in this article...dawnleelynn(talk) 17:09, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
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