Talk:Shrove Tuesday

message: With the praiseworthy Wikipedian penchant for a punctilious accuracy that rises above mere outworn tradition and non-American usage, shouldn't this more correctly have been at Shriven Tuesday and, following the general practice, eliminating a redirect from "Shrove Tuesday"? The verb, surely is "shrive, shrove, shriven" "shrove" being the past tense but "shriven" being the preferable past participle to be employed as an adjective according to Wikipedia standards. By settling upon an exquisitely correct title, wouldn't we be demonstrating the superior dependability of our information? Perhaps this would be suitably determined by a vote. --Wetman 04:58, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I'm not sure. I intially agreed with you but then thought about it and perhaps you might say "I drived there yesterday" or "He drived me mad!". The so-called 'US' versions are equally (if not more) acceptable though. Anyway, as the person above says, Shrove Tuesday is the name of it, whether thats grammatically correct or not. EAi 14:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try saying it out loud without sounding like a toddler. It's impossible. No-one sober would say drived. The name of the day is Shrove Tuesday and probably always will be. No offence, but only an idiot would think otherwise. Big Moira 02:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More accurately '''"Shriven Tuesday"'''

message: I am not saying that my question is true, or a fact but it really seems that Christians stole Shrove Tuesday from Pagans, or Balts when Lithuanian king Mindaugas was Baptised, and all of the Lithuanian kingdom was turned/converted to Christianity although they were Pagans. In England, the time of Shrove Tuesday tradition begining was 1445, which was 200 years later after the baptism (1251). In old times, i guess that the spreading of the Shrove tuesday would have went from eastern europe to the celtic (western) europe slowly. Basically i would think that hes a traitor or something and if anyone knows any information about these times, please tell me! User:Wykis
Still, most traditions are being held in Lithuania and Latvia, as well as Poland and other countries around.
:Still, it seems odd to have links to Pagans, Balts and Slavs at the bottom, when these things are not mentioned in the article. Ordinary Person 08:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not sure - Christians Stole it from Pagans, Balts? 

message: ...is a crepe? Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 23:59, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No the main image is of American style pancakes, thicker griddle pancakes rather than the ones that are traditionally made on Shrove Tuesday or Pancake Day wherever they celebrate it. The main image should be changed to something like this one: http://static.deliaonline.com/images/originals/cc296-basic-pancakes-2-20775.jpg (Check the date of this comment, can you tell I can't wait to make pancakes again! ByteofKnowledge| 21:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Main image

message: When I was living in Scotland, the local Dundonians told me that the reason for eating pancakes on "Shrove Tuesday", was to use up the eggs and milk in the house the night before Lent starts (time of penance and giving up of luxuries).  I think something to that effect should be added to the article, because to this point that connection is not clear.  Yahawena 20:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I have hear this too. --mfx Q&A 15:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe this is true, but it should be sourced. EAi 14:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for eating pancakes on Shrove Tuesday 

message: I'm suggesting a merge or other possible reorganisation at talk:Mardi Gras. Stevage 11:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although both articles are similar, they're both long and both quite distinct in what they cover, I'd leave them as they are. EAi 14:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[mardi gras]]? 

message: This isn't quite an accurate description of fastnachts. They are like a donut, but there is no hole, and they are less sweet. Also, there is never glaze, but they are sometimes dusted with powdered sugar. We refer to Fat Tuesday as Fastnacht (or Fastnaucht) Day, Fastnacht meaning "Fast Night."
reference: http://www.wnep.com/Global/story.asp?S=2917435
"Some fastnachts are made with yeast, some with potatoes and yeast, and some without either. They call for lard if available. Traditionally, all fastnachts were made with, and fried in, lard" (in order to use up the house's lard befor Lent).
Actually, living in Lancaster county, commercially, glazed is what we predominantly find (and sell out the fastest) I don't know if this is technically correct for the historical culture.Trex005 14:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pennsylvania Dutch/Fastnacht Day 

message: Some more investigation would need to be done into this to see if it is really true of most commonwealth countries, but here in Canada we seem to follow the tradition under the UK, Ireland and Australia heading for the most part, calling it "Shrove Tuesday" or occasionally "Pancake Tuesday".  Mardi Gras is associated with the New Orleans or Brazilian festivities. The unique tradition here is that we tend to put maple syrup rather than icing sugar on the pancakes.  Anyways, perhaps the title for that section should be changed to "Commonwealth Countries" if my suspicion that practices across the commonwealth are mostly similar.
Opinions? 
Renzo 80 15:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe Ireland is a member fo the Commonwealth, but other than that.  I would also suspect it's confined to more countries within the Commonwealth (plus Ireland) which have a more "western" culture —The preceding unsigned comment was added by David Underdown (talk • contribs) 15:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct, Ireland is not a member of the Commonwealth. Ian Goggin 22:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest the British Isles and Commonwealth Countries, but that might be too confusing and have the Irish Nationalists out bombing again (joke, I know you've stopped) Big Moira 02:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Here in the UK it is I think still mostly known as Shrove Tuesday, or else Pancake Day, but never "Pancake Tuesday". In our increasingly multicultural multi-religion country recognition of this day seems to be dying off unfortunately. I was brought up to put demerera sugar and lemon juice on my pancakes. And I never knew of any connection with Mardi Gra until I read this article today - so thats when they have the celebration in Rio, maybe. 78.147.248.174 (talk) 22:50, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I think this isn't correct, "Pancake Tuedsay" is a common term for Shrove Tuesday, more common that "Pancake Day". Shrove Tuesday may be the proper name, but it is very uncommon.Biscit (talk) 14:14, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK, Ireland, Australia --> Commonwealth Countries 

message: Fastnacht day is a very specific cultures celebration.  It may be for the same event, but I don't think they should be merged.   Maybe just linked to each other.
Trex005 14:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge in Fastnacht day 

message: I grew up entirely in the US. We referred to it as Shrove Tuesday before I knew of the connection to Mardi Gras. For reference, I grew up in the Houston area in the Episcopal Church. We celebrated with a pancake supper at the church every year. I don't recall actually referring to the day as Pancake Day, though. In fact, we used the terminology separately, with Mardi Gras just being an overall celebration and Shrove Tuesday more tied to the religious aspects. I realize my info is not officially a reliable source, but it was jarring to me to see us excluded from the term. I wonder if perhaps it was an Episcopal thing, what with the Anglican connection? I see someone else mentioned Episcopal up there. --Siradia (talk) 04:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was noticing that this talks alot about it being observed in the U.K. and such, but no mention of it in the U.S.  But it seems to be pretty prevelent within the Protestant churches.  Sirandia is Episcopal in Texas.  I grew up with it in the Methodist church in Ohio and now in Maryland.  The article probably should include at least some reference to the U.S. usage.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by PerlKnitter (talk • contribs) 14:10, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  US usage 

message: Can we add detail of the current year's date to the top of the page?
When I come to a holiday/date-related page from a search engine I am usually looking for the date for the current or coming year, so - agrandising myself to a typical Wikipedia user - it would be very useful to have the dates for the current and coming year at the top of the page. If you backed holiday/date-related pages with a list/table of dates you could generate that quite easily.
Willllll (talk) 04:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we add detail of the current year's date to the top of the page? 

message: I know this is rather trivial, it's in the same vein as the annual restocking of Creme Eggs before Easter: Jif, a brand of lemon juice (sold in plastic lemons as well as bottles) have advertised for Pancake Tuesday in Ireland (and probably UK) with the tagline of "Jif Lemon Day, have you forgotten something?" (plate with lemon juice, no pancakes) to remind people to lay in some lemon juice for the occasion.
zoney  ♣ talk 00:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How sickening. The marketing man who thought that up ought to be shot. Thankfully I have never heard of it in the UK. 78.147.248.174 (talk) 22:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

text: This television advert ran in the mid 80's. I can still perfectly recall the man's voice saying "Don't forget the pancakes on Jif Lemon Day".86.173.78.190 (talk) 16:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jif Lemon Day 

message: I have never heard anybody call Pancake Tuesday "Shrove Tuesday" in Ireland. I notice the article which claims this is not Irish and also terms Ireland as part of something called the "British Isles". I'm removing this nonsense immediately. 86.42.84.131 (talk) 11:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because you've never heard the term use doesn't make this an unrelaible source - neither does the use of the term British Isles which is usually perceived as a geographical, rather than cultural, term.  David Underdown (talk) 12:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, usually perceived by the same British people whose British state has coincidentally been occupying Ireland for centuries. What a purely geographical term indeed. That this writer claims "Shrove Tuesday" is the name used in Ireland just reaffirms the benighted ignorance of all who shove Ireland into a "British Isles" context and try to impose British cultural traditions upon our society. Shrove Tuesday is your tradition; Pancake Tuesday is ours. Just accept it, and stop being so, well, so British about this. Reverted. 86.42.84.131 (talk) 13:11, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is sourced to what otherwsie appears to be a reliable source (and the author's name certainly looks Irish, even if the website is not!), Pancake Day is certainly as common a usage in Britain as Shrove Tuesday, which is more of a religious term (I would certainly be surprised to find that members fo the Church of Ireland were not familiar with the term Shrove Tuesday), the point is, the usage is verifiable, even if it doesn't match up with your own personal experience.  I'll not revert you again however.  David Underdown (talk) 13:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I consider this completely mistaken (only based on my knowledge of where I've grown up and lived in Ireland personally), and I've mailed the authors of the page to see if I can get a confirmation about whether this is the name they knew in Ireland, or in the US (separate Irish person from whoever was discussing this above, but just as sure about what we call the day). 84.203.36.79 (talk) 01:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

text: There are two million pages in Wikipedia.  If you go around deleting things just because you've never heard of them then it's going to be a lot smaller.  535 googlehits: . 7480 googlehits: .  We also have an article British Isles naming dispute you might find informative.  How ironic to assume that something you happen to be ignorant of is a British imposition when in fact it is a Roman Catholic tradition largely suppressed by the Reformation. Catholic Encyclopedia: Shrovetide jnestorius(talk) 10:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

text: The term was never used in the article ehre, it was only used in the reference, and seemed to be one fo the reasons that the anon felt it was unreliable.  (as an aside, most Brits aren't aware of the controversial status of the term, and would probably use it by default)  David Underdown (talk) 13:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Echoing the above. I'm British, and (I'd like to think) not entirely ignorant of non-British sensibilities, but was genuinely surprised when I first realised how unhappy many Irish people are with the term "British Isles" even in purely geographical contexts. Of course, as has been done to death, the main problem is that there's no other term remotely as widely understood. "Isles of the North Atlantic" and so on are, however much people would like it to be otherwise, very much niche terms. It gets worse still if the various non-UK and non-Ireland bits of the archipelago are excluded. (I speak from bitter experience, having needed to write an article covering the UK, Ireland and the Channel Islands but specifically excluding the Isle of Man.) 217.33.74.204 (talk) 12:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Oops, that was me (not signed in). In case anybody is wondering, it was hillclimbing that caused the problem. The British Hill Climb Championship includes rounds in England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Jersey and Guernsey, so just "UK" wouldn't do. A similar form of the sport is practised in the Republic of Ireland - but not, as far as I know, in the Isle of Man. Even if it is, calling an article Hillclimbing in the United Kingdom, Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man is ridiculous, yet if I can't use "Hillclimbing in the British Isles" then what other choice would I have? There are other forms of the sport distinctly different from the UK (etc) version, and it is generally a geographical distinction, so I was a bit stuck! Sorry for rambling off-topic there... Loganberry (Talk) 12:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Shrove Tuesday" in Ireland?- Never!

message: With all due respect, I am Polish and I know what we celebrate.  The Polish people do not celebrate "Fat Thursday", there is no such thing.  Paczkis are eaten on "Fat Tuesday".  I challenge you to find anyone who is celebrating "Fat Thursday".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jedam (talk • contribs) 17:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well Google finds 28,000-odd results for "Fat Thursday", so I don't think it would be too difficult.  David Underdown (talk) 18:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

text: David is right; check out the Polish Wikipedia: pl:Tłusty czwartek (Fat Thursday, not Tuesday). Lesgles (talk) 20:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Have you actually looked at the Google search reasults I linked to.  Plenty of those appear to be Polish sites and talk about Fat Thursday, it did look as if one or two say it's often moved to the Tuesday in the US, but the original tradition is for the Thursday before Lent. For example this one, http://www.warsawvoice.pl/view/17081/, which is from 2008, not 2009 admittedly.  This one, http://oxpolsoc.org/2009/02/tlusty-czwartek-fat-thursday  however is for this year. Out of interest, what is the literal translation of Tłusty czwartek? David Underdown (talk) 09:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The literal translation of "tłusty czwartek" is "fat Thursday" (tłusty = fat, greasy; czwartek = Thursday). — Kpalion(talk) 22:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and I'll pick up the gauntlet. I will (like everybody else in Poland) celebrate Fat Thursday, which happens to be one of my favorite traditions, tomorrow and I'm gonna get my fill of jelly donuts. — Kpalion(talk) 22:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

text: It is officially Fat Thursday now which is most definitely widely celebrated in Poland (and among the UK Poles as well) with pączki but what nobody mentioned so far is that actually the Shrove Tuesday equivalent in Poland (and among most Polish catholics in the UK) is what is known as 'ostatki' which is next Tuesday = the last day of carnival before Ash Wednesday (Lent)when poeple were able to eat rich food and enjoy themselves. Even today, on this day some people would party at home with friends or attend the last ball of the season where one of the main traditional sweet dishes is 'faworki' and finish at midnight when Lent officially begins. In the more remote past one of the traditions was for the host to bring a plate of herrings (traditional lent food) at midnight to their partying guests as an indication the celebrations were over and it was time to go home and start fasting. Tłusty Czwartek and Ostatki are two separate though similar traditions connected with the end of carnival and both are still very much alive in Poland. So pączki today and faworki next week. Lovely!Kantylena (talk) 01:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Well, Polish-Americans probably adjusted to the Mardi Gras tradition, even though it's celebrated on Thursday in Poland. Ausir (talk) 00:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is no such thing as "Fat Thursday" only "Fat Tuesday" 

message: There's an image of the "Mardi Gras Flag" under "Dates". What is this, and what relevance does it have? Bagunceiro (talk) 14:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mardi Gras Flag 

message: I've never ever heard of anyone in the UK eating pancakes with a "meat stew", not even in the past. 78.147.248.174 (talk) 22:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm from near London and in my experience people don't eat sweet pancakes as a main meal exactly, it's more like skipping dinner and having more pancakes instead. Kind of like skipping breakfast on Christms morning because you're eating chocolate instead. 109.145.208.77 (talk) 17:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Meat stew"? 

message: With so much coverage of what the day is called as Mardi Gras (and associated terms) and how it is celebrated in Catholic countries and communities, this article loses focus.  Shrove Tuesday was part of a Protestant tradition formed after the Reformation.  There is a separate article on Mardi Gras, and the many celebrations, names, and foods of Catholic countries and ethnic communities do not need to be repeated here.  That is too much to wade through.  Also, the article circles around, repeating content about foods (pancakes) in the UK and Commonwealth countries, then about sports traditions, then more about food.  It is very repetitious and needs serious editing.--Parkwells (talk) 16:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs more emphasis on Shrove Tuesday alone

message: I'm from Catholic from Canada, and when we celebrated Shrove/Pancake Tuesday, we always baked coins into the pancakes. Does anyone else know about this tradition, was it isolated to us, or did other people do it as well, and what were its origins??? 94.100.23.52 (talk) 11:27, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's an odd tradition, I too am a Canadian Catholic, and I have never heard of that, ever... Something passed in down in the family I'm guessing, because this is not widespread tradition. Outback the koala (talk) 17:35, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Even odder; I'm son of an immigrant Englishman and raised C.of E., and we put coins in...crepes, but still.  Not sure of the origins, but it might be related to the 'king cake' of Mardi Gras (the one with the bean in his cake gets to be the 'king of the day' and rule over the festivities), or even just a little treat for the kids?  Maybe as using up the last of the 'luxury' foodstuffs was just before the beginning of Lent and the sacrifice to honour Christ, maybe it was also an early monetary sacrifice?  Heck, maybe it was just a convenient way to remind everyone to take their money with them for the Tuesday collection!?  I'm gonna have to get in touch with pater and see if he remembers why... Empath (talk) 22:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coins/Objects in Pancakes 

message: In Finland and Sweden, the day is associated with the almond paste-filled semla pastry.
Should be changed to
In Finland and Sweden, the day is associated with the semla pastry filled with almond paste or whipped cream and jam. 
Because the pastry is avaliable in 2 forms with these 2 fillings, not just with almond paste
Mobygirl1985 (talk) 16:49, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Mobygirl1985, 8 March 2011 

message: The pancake bell was moved from the corner of Huntress Row and Westborough to the Coorner of North Street and Westborough in Scarborough
92.17.135.220 (talk) 19:07, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there an external source to confirm this information? It's needed for the information to be incorporated into the article. --Deryck C. 20:21, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 92.17.135.220, 8 March 2011 

message: Also known as Crepe Tuesday. 
Michelle92e (talk) 22:33, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Never heard of it. Would you please provide a source? --Deryck C. 23:00, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have untranscluded all 3 of the above edit requests, since this page is not currently semi-protected. However, I will note that the second 2 requests shouldn't be added to the article until sources are provided.  Qwyrxian (talk) 05:41, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Michelle92e, 8 March 2011 

message: Since the Pancake Race at Olney is the most famous Pancake Race in the United Kingdom, Olney could have had a a lot more prominence in the section "Festivities". ACEOREVIVED (talk) 00:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: ~More emphasis on Olney needed

message: The early reference is to "English speaking countries" but then there is a contradiction. We read "especially Ireland, the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada "  - fair enough, they are all English-speaking  - but why is the reference then given to Germany and the Philippines? The language of Germany is German, and in the Philipinnes, it is Filipino, which is based on Tagalog. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 00:51, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: More importantly, is there any evidence that this day is mostly celebrated in English speaking countries? I would have thought it is celebrated  by all Christians, and the main text of the article bears that out. Ashmoo (talk) 10:03, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why not just redirect it to Mardis Gras, which is already a proper article? 193.2.132.118 (talk) 19:14, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference to English speaking countries

message: Now that the dust has settled about mardi gras and jeudi gras and shriven etc, can we address the fact that this article is about Shrove Tuesday and not mardi gras, by noting that the lede goes on about pancakes before addressing the topic?  Pancake Tuesday (which is as ancient a thing as "Turkey day" for American Thanksgiving) can be mentioned later, as a link to another article.  --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 17:58, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  can we fix it now? 

message: The sources cited for the pagan history link do not seem particularly scholarly - I wonder just how reliable that whole idea is. The Catholic Encyclopedia referenced indicates that the concept of Shrove Tuesday is older. Someone must have researched this. -- Beardo (talk) 06:46, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pagan history 

message: I've found a reliable informative website, which is ranking on Bing and Yahoo search engines on 1st page (even on Google but not on 1st page) which have all the articles containing Shrove Tuesday, Pancake Day and Ash Wednesday. Thus, I want to edit some information here regarding Shrove Tuesday. People will let know about the website (http://www.shrovetuesday.org/) which i'm discussing on it, If editors can edit the information from that website. Thus, it will be really helpful for the visitors, who'll the find the right information.
Thanks Amar77711 (talk) 20:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Additionally, we don't normally add links to external sites just for the fun of it per WP:ELNO. Stickee (talk) 22:54, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2017 

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message: I have removed a false claim about the "Four Pillars" of Christianity. It had been refuted in the article, without making reference to a source. The source cited to bolster the false claim is not a reliable source for Christian doctrine, it is a secular, commercial purveyor of "business news". These reporters have no interest in fact-checking outside their milieu. I have replaced it with a source from the Orthodox Church. 2600:8800:1880:2B95:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 03:03, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bogus "Four Pillars" claim 

message: I'm afraid I messed something up. There was some vandalism today, probably from being a featured article. I tried reversing it, but it looks like an anonymous editor was trying to do the same thing at the same time. I'm going to give up, and hope someone smart enoughcan revert the changes all the way back. Fcrary (talk) 23:25, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  March 5, 2019 edits 

message: The article suffers from being a mix of tourism and folklore.  This is evident in the confusion over who has ever heard of it, and the difference between Shrove Tuesday and Mardi Gras; indeed this confusion starts in the first line.
E.g. "Shrove Tuesday is observed by many Christians, including Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists and Roman Catholics,[2] who "make a special point of self-examination, of considering what wrongs they need to repent, and what amendments of life or areas of spiritual growth they especially need to ask God's help in dealing with."[3]"  I looked at the first footnote ([2] and Roman Catholics are not mentioned anywhere in the article.  The article is the sort of thing a town journalist writes to describe what some folks are doing on Tuesday.  It is not academic and does not prove anything.  I looked at footnote [3].  It is Anglican and again not academic, even though it is hosted at an academic site.  So it does not reference anything other than what the author has heard of.
So the problem here is a sort of original research, where the person who wrote the above line put together some pious thoughts and created a sentence that is really not true.
The article seems to assume that Shrove Tuesday is some sort of universal 'thing' which because of its date is superimposed over another sort of universal thing "Mardi gras" which it is not the same as. And neither "Shrove Tuesday" nor "Mardi gras" are "observed" or "celebrated" as religious days in the sense that say Christmas or Ash Wednesday are observed.  They are cultural concepts that arose in a religious culture.
I suggest that this article be trimmed of its whimsy and its imperialism. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 00:57, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  article needs revision 

message: No strong keep Mardi Gras as is. The term 'Mardi Gras' is widely used in many non-Anglo societies - most who have never heard of Strove / Pancake Tuesday. 'Mardi Gras' has increasing usage in Western Societies. B20097 (talk) 21:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: A proposal to merge with this article

message: When I search for this article, the short description that comes up reads exactly "Day in February or March preceding Ash Wednesday}fun at with a motel hotel". Please can this error be fixed Mrmariomaster (talk) 11:46, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been fixed HiLo48 (talk) 22:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article description error 

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