Talk:Bibliography of Harold Pinter

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replies: text: I find it amazing that this 'bibliography' is actually for the main part a list of sources cited in Harold Pinter.  This list should be properly wikified and merged back to main article.Jezhotwells (talk) 13:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Split off from [[Harold Pinter]]

message: Please do not remove the angle-bracketed (nowiki) links; they are requirements of MLA Style format.  You are introducing errors into all the entries by doing that.  This is not your or my personal preference; it is the format for specialized articles in literature, just as APA governs such articles in social sciences and ACS governs such articles in the sciences.  See Style guide for the hyperlinked lists.  --NYScholar (talk) 15:06, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have news for you URLs in angled brackets has been deprecated in the latest MLA style guide:
In the past, the MLA Style Manual and Guide to Scholarly Publishing recommended including URLs of Web sources in works-cited-list entries. Inclusion of URLs has proved to have limited value, however, for they often change, can be specific to a subscriber or a session of use, and can be so long and complex that typing them into a browser is cumbersome and prone to transcription errors. Readers are now more likely to find resources on the Web by searching for titles and authors' names than by typing URLs. You should include a URL as supplementary information only when the reader probably cannot locate the source without it or when your publisher requires it. If you present a URL, give it immediately following the date of access, a period, and a space. Enclose the URL in angle brackets, and conclude with a period.... (212–13)
Name of the author, compiler, director, editor, narrator, performer, or translator of the work [....] Title of the work (italicized if the work is independent; in roman type and quotation marks if the work is part of a larger work [see 3.8.2–3]). Title of the overall Web site (italicized, if distinct from item 2). Version or edition used. Publisher or sponsor of the site; if not available, use N.p., date of publication (day, month, and year, as available); if nothing is available, use n.d. Medium of publication (Web). Date of access (day, month, and year).
Committee on Scholarly Editions. "Guidelines for Editors of Scholarly Editions." Modern Language Association. MLA, 25 Sept. 2007. Web. 20 Nov. 2007.
So I have removed them which shortened the page considerably and makes it readable on the web.  In case you ahd not realised Wikipedia is a web tresources, not printed.  iN fact the whole use of MLA is questionable as it it is clearely designed for printed papers. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

text: (cont.) One good reason for giving the URLs within angle brackets (nowiki format) is because frequently they do change or get removed from the active Web entirely, and one must hunt them down (with whole URL addresses) in the Internet Archive: The Wayback Machine.  The fact that I've currently live-linked them Wikipedia style indicates that, of course, I know that this is an online encyclopedia, and that I also wanted to enable people to find the URLs (they can be seen when highlighted).  The urls in angle brackets were a "fail safe" (still in 2nd ed.) for use when URLs disappear or change (which frequently does happen, as I just said).  At this point, people can hunt for them in the editing histories, if you are going to change everything to 3rd ed. of the MLA Style Manual.  I just didn't think I had time to do that; if you would like to do that (consistently), fine.  Will we be able to get Wikipedia consensus for the adjustments in MLA Style format (e.g., no "Web" or "Print" ref. in entry)? --NYScholar (talk) 16:59, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: MLA format follows style sheet of [[Harold Pinter]]

message: In progress: still working on secs. between "Poetry" sec. and "Multimedia Resources" sec.  Prev. and last sec. already converted to The MLA Style Manual 3rd ed. format.  This may take a few days.  Please bear with editor(s) working on this conversion, which involves minor changes of format for the most part.  Thank you. --NYScholar (talk) 21:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Format conversion to MLA Style Manual 3rd ed.

message: Every other article in the category is titled "of Person X" not "for Person X". One may or may not be grammatically better but until consensus is reached for all of them, it should stay at the same title as the rest in the series. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:15, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see widely varying titles for Bibliographies throughout Wikipedia, only some of which are properly categorized or categorized at all, and there is no consistent naming of all of them.  There is clearly variation that relates to the purposes of the particular bibliographical articles corresponding in several cases to the sections of the main articles that they are part of and cross-linked to.  Bibliographies that are categorized as both "bibliographies:author" and "bibliographies:subject" have varying names.  --NYScholar (talk) 22:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "for Harold Pinter" or "of Harold Pinter" 

message: :[Please consult Style Sheet in template at top of this page.]
I monitor the consistency of the format of Bibliography for Harold Pinter periodically.  As I am working on meeting non-Wikipedia publication deadlines, I have limited time to do this.  But it is on my "watch list", and I will continue to monitor it, time permitting.  If I find additional errors of format, I will correct them later, when I have more time. --NYScholar (talk) 20:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Maintaining consistency of bibliographical format (updated to ''[[The MLA Style Manual]]'', 3rd ed.)

message: This Bibliography is properly designated as a section of Harold Pinter, resulting from a previously-approved split requested in the "good article" review done in fall 2007.  It is part of Harold Pinter, which has been listed as a "good article" since early October 2007.   --NYScholar (talk) 20:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: See main article template cross-reference

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thread_title: Reminder

message: :[Note added:] Due to the importance of these editing policies, I am adding a separate heading here to link to and to emphasize them for all concerned (all readers of Bibliography for Harold Pinter (the "Works cited" section of Harold Pinter) and talk page):
:(cont.) From Wikipedia:Dead links: "Do not simply remove dead links; they often contain valuable information." (bold font added).
:(cont.) Reminder: Regarding Wikipedia civility policy: please review it in the talkpage header at top; WP:CIVIL is linked (piped) to "Be polite." [updated after removal of violations of civility by another user and my brief response to them; in editing history.  Irrelevant to this discussion. --NYScholar (talk) 03:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't ask for a lecture, professor - I was trying to be helpful.  Perhaps a amomemnt of reflection on standards of common courtesy is called for! Jezhotwells (talk) 12:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Dead links]] and [[WP:CIVIL|civility]]

message: This page is very unfriendly, practically inscrutable, for anyone interested in finding a straightforward list of Pinter's published works (the Works page is also partial and messy). Would anyone mind if I made it a bit more organized, like the Roberto Bolaño bibliography for example? Would it be better to do this on the Works page? AshcroftIleum (talk) 06:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Friendlier format

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