Talk:Millennials/Archive 1

message: Here is a list of all the substantiated facts available/presented to us in this article:
-Human beings give birth to other human beings.
-Human beings born anywhere between 1983 to the present day fall under the catagory of "Generation Y".
-Generalisations and stereotypes are annoying.
This is not enough for people who just want facts, rather than some 1000 word essay on the common stereotypes plaguing the American youth.
If you're going to "clean up" this article, then do us all a favour and add some valid statistical data.
The major restructure of this document has sagely included a piece about why the majority of discussion regarding generations is inherantly stereotypical and therefore useless to all those who intend to garner some kind of factual information from the article, but does not provide any facts to satisfy their needs.
Please consider this carefully.
--Badharlick 03:15, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Why does this article still need "cleaning up"?

message: This article title is offensive. We are not just copies of gen-x. This article has pissed me off for a long time, now I finally have something to run with. Your own people this age groups call themselves Millennials, see [Category:Millennial Wikipedians]. Other publications like Stauss & Howes's Millennial's rising is the definitve study about is generation. This article's content is also highly biased and stereotypical. This article should be at Millenial and have include better informastion. -The Masked Millenial       
Followup Note: Some people search by Gen Y and know it by Gen Y per the media, it may be an appropriate title.
* No, I agree, this isn't a good title.  You might as well call us the Beavis and Butthead Generation at this rate.  My preference would be for the more neutral Echo Generation title.  --BalooUrsidae 10:17, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment On the other hand, what happened to the introduction that listed most of the names of this generation?  Mred64 01:36, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This title is offensive

message: This article is not offensive. I know everyone is unique but this is just a term to describe all people of a certain generation. So I see no offense from this.
And what will be my generation? I am born on 1990 and I believe I have the traits of common Genration Y people. I am also born under Thatcher's reign, mind you.
:Gen X is a historical thing, the people who grew up "in the shadow" of the Baby boomers, their children. I'm not sure there's any real significance to a Gen Y other than people like to name things for naming sake. --DanielCD 04:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: But this is like --- Baby boomers

message: "Few seem to be content to simply lead youthful lives, instead opting for greater things. They have mostly been fairly sheltered, exposed to great amounts of knowledge through a feeding tube."
I disagree with the idea that we are sheltered and would invite someone to change this. I believe that it is quiet the opposite. Our innocence died young with the spectur of STDs, school shootings, terrorism and war. The invention of the V-chip and net nanny were a back-lash against the information rich culture.
As a child I remember growing up watching to nightly news hearing about murders and arison. In grade school my classmates would "accidently" go to whitehouse.com . Knowledge wasn't entering through feeding tubes but rather news papers, TV, computers and personal experience.
Information should be included about the effect of the AIDS epidemic.
School shootings have also influenced this generation. I remember lock downs through out my education because of students bring guns to school or nearby gang fights. This was in the suburbs, not the inner city. We are hardly sheltered from the world.
I remember living through the September 11, 2001 attacks and watching the planes chash into the towers again and again. The Columbine school shootings were likewise nationally broadcast live as Generation Y watched realizing that this could happen at their schools too. The WTO protests in Seattle show an underlying anti-corporate backlash against our consumer society, while others completely buy into the latest fads.
Let's changes this article to truly reflect the nature of our generation and the events that have shaped who we are.
::I have to agre with whoever wrote the above comment. Whatever we decide to call Gen Y, we're not isolated. If you want to consider "involvement" as political action, then the only reason this generation is "isolated" is because so many of its members have yet to reach legal voting age. But this generation is very active in its world, for better or for worse. We always seem busy. We are at school, in extracurricular activities, and working where we want to. After 9/11, my school raised money for a charity. Don't surveys show how involved this generation is in their communities, with volunteer work and service hours? I also think members of this generation who still have to reach voting age (by the way, I'm using 1994 as the end of the birthyears because the article lists it that way)understand politics very well. I'm not gonna deny there are some idiots who wouldn't know current events to save their souls, but many know what happens in government and are very vocal about it, or at least where I live. Mred64 18:21, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
:::I think the point was " They have mostly been fairly sheltered, exposed to great amounts of knowledge through a feeding tube."" Many members of the generation have been exposed to vast amounts of knowledge, information, current affairs, etc... But, they have usually absorbed it mostly through TV, school, and to some extent the internet. At the same time large numbers are being driven to school, ferried from one extra curricular to the next, playing on safety council endorsed playgrounds, etc... The point being they are supervised to a large extent, and while they may have much information at their disposal, they aren't as free as previous generations, at least during their youth, and this may or may not have an effect on them. Peregrine981 03:38, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
::::But isolated compared to what?  Previously information was largely delivered in the US by way of  censored newspapers and television.  I think it would be safe to say that more unfiltered information is available by way of the internet than ever before, so calling the generation "isolated" doesn't seem to make much sense.  On the other hand, the internet does allow people to become more reclusive in their local community and more active on a global scale.  But the internet can of course also increase community connectedness. Theshibboleth 13:11, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Isolated Generation?"

message: I don't know about anyone else but I was born in May 1982. Someone stated that they were born in 83' and considered themselves Generation X. Generation Y starts with the earky 80's. We don't realize how much more we have in common with our younger peers than Generation X. As time goes on older Y'ers will realize the similarities between our ninties born counterparts.
:I agree--I was born in '83, but I consider myself Gen Y, oddly enough. :) The kiddos who are 15-18 now I can relate to a lot easier than most of Gen X, those buncha slackers. (kidding!) 172.198.255.253 14:21, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  1982-GENERATION Y 

message: Hi, I was born in 1989 and am a part of Generation Y, and believe that these dates represent this generation best. 
For one, Generation Y should start somewhere from 1981 to 1983 because the cut off from Generation X was actually the Video Game Crash of 1983, and video games are a big part of Generation Y society today as well as alternative music. 
September 11th should be the cut off date for Generation Y because it effected us physically, both GenX and GenY. 
It dosen't really matter where X or Y begin or end any way, it just depends on where you wish to be. Like if you was born between 1978 or 1985, you could be both. These kind of topics kind of overlap, so when it starts and where it ends, you could be Generation XY. The same applide for the "2nd Lost generation"(1964 - 1970) which were people born in-between the Baby Busters and Generation X, they had mixed pop culture. And the same applise for Generation Z, the end for Y could be 2001, but the start of Z could be...1999.
Therefore GenY starts (1979-1983) and ends (1999 - 2005). List of Generations
*If one uses the terrorist attacks as a cutoff, then it can't be the actual day of the attacks (stupid symbolism) but rather the age at which a person could reasonably be expected to have first-hand knowledge, remembrance and understanding of what happened. That would be at least, say, six years of age. FCYTravis 03:53, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generation Y: 1982-2001 

message: I always thought it was called Generation Why?  Also the term "Generation Why?" gets 43,600 Google hits. --Kitch 16:47, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generation Why? 

message: From what i've seen in statistical evidence the use of marijuana in high schoolers has remained about the same for the past 30 years, same with sex if i recall, i dont have a source so i wont edit but its something to ponder. --Cptbuck 02:28, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current problems of the generation 

message: The definition is simple. The generation under discussion is simply "the generation which will one day get rich via the spurious invention, slick packaging and feverish marketing of 'Generation Z'" Adambisset 01:32, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Come into power"?  Hehe, I like the way that sounds. >:D--Kross | Talk 05:30, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generation Y? Give me a break 

message: I've reverted most of the "Firsts" added by 63.156.189.107 and am considering removing the last 3.  Most of these claims are completely unsupported.  I don't have a problem adding some of them back in some capacity provided sources for these claims are posted here in the discussion page.--Isotope23 19:52, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 63.156.189.107 edits

message: This whole section is pure conjecture. 
First it relies on the false idea that marketers only recently started targeting teenagers with marketing music at them.  The monkees were a pure marketing music phenomena in 1966 and they weren't the first either.
There is no evidence for the following wild claims.  
The musical tastes of some Generation Y have fragmented into various countercultures 
As usual, the subcultures have aligned themselves along musical lines, with some refusing to put on the aesthetic expression of counterculture, yet remaining significantly detached from the “mainstream.”
It is important to note that although many bands and acts attempt to engage Generation Y, there is little authentic representation of the generation in popular culture that is not engineered and marketed by older generations. This is a seldom articulated point of contention that may explain the generation's relative ambivalence to pop culture.''
Please edit.
--Capsela 21:03, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Music and subcultures" is silly 

message: I along with a multitude of others I know who were born in the early eighties do not consider ourselves Gen Y at all, which was a term that was only recently coined prior to the Millennium. I believe that the Gen Y'ers are those who were born right before the Millennium and whose childhood consisted of living through the late 90s through the millennium and teenage years are currently in the New Millennium.
None of the attributes listed on this article relating to Gen Y are what I consider myself or my peers associated to in any way. My childhood was lived through the 80s thus being influenced by it, of which I remember seeing the most important events which were the fall of the Berlin wall and the Gulf War. Most kids who grew up past 1985 don't even remember these events or managed to see them - whereas I and others have. Also the fact that most kids of the 80s were teens through the early 90s up until mid 90s proves that we were more open to the music of that time, unlike indie rock and nu-metal which if anything has nothing to do with the growth of our own generation but more so an element relating to those born post-1985. Music which was relevant to us was grunge, eurodance (techno), gangsta rap as well as retro pop (the pre-Britney era of music) just to name a few. Piecraft 02:44, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  1983 - Generation Y? bollocks!