Talk:The Kite Runner

message: I'm going[[ to change the mention of Amir's redemption and Hassan's betrayal in the lead as I think it's too much of a spoiler. --MarkBuckles 09:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler in Lead

message: Spoiler: how do we reconcile the description of Hassan? Hassan is not the son of Amir's father's servant, he]] is Hassan's father's son, or his own half brother. No use lying, is there?
:I opted to describe Ali and Hassan as their relationship is initially presented in the book. The real relationship isn't revealed until after Hassan has died, and the characters never relate to each other as half brothers, so describing them as half brothers would be just as inaccurate. The character descriptions also do not mention the death of Baba, though this clearly affects his role in the last half of the book. Shoehorn 18:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character List: Spoil or Lie?  

message: There is no mention of this in the article, so I want to ask.  Lightblade 22:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the book is listed under "novel," there is always a fair bet that it is mainly, if not completely, fictional.  The LC classification is PS3608.O832K58 (PS = American Literature).  Furthermore, popular subject headings (according to librarything) include Afghanistan Fiction, Betrayal Fiction, Boys Fiction, etc.  So, yeah; fiction. :) María (habla conmigo) 16:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fiction or non-fiction? 

message: Is the Assef character not in the film? And when he isn't; why is he let out? Randalph P. Williams 10:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assef-character 

message: Isnt it convenient that Mr. Hosseini, forgets to mention the post-2001 warth of
the US raining down bombs on the Afghanis? Well, inconvenient truths are to be
forgotten, or we dont make the NYT best seller lists do we?
-Indian-kid.
:And another inconvenient truth is that you're vilifying an author despite obviously not having read his book. It's hard to imagine this novel being any more anti–Taliban.  Or have I missed the point of your snide remark? --ShelfSkewed Talk 03:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: I recently read the book, however, I would like to know what languages the main characters, and others characters that speak different languages (there are quite few). The movie is in Persian, I've heard, and I think the Pashtun people speak their own language, but I'm not sure what languages Amir, Hassan and the rest of the people in that town speak, other than English after some move to America. Can anyone clear this up? Is it perhaps purposely ambiguous? In the book, it mentioned 'Farsi', which I suppose is another name for Persian, so is that about it? 65.189.170.90 04:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The characters in the movie speak in the Persian language, also known natively as Farsi, Parsi, or sometimes Dari in Afghanistan. Persian is the English name for the Parsi (or Farsi) language. -- Behnam 19:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages? 

message: The_Kite_Runner_%28film%29#Plot refers for the plot to The_Kite_Runner#Plot, so I edited the latter based on the film. If necessary we can copy the plot to the film article so that we can edit both independently.--Patrick (talk) 12:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book and film plot 

message: Unfortunately the link to Baba's orphanage does not work. Does anyone know the good one? Blue cave (talk) 17:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad link 

message: Removing relevant and accurate information from an article is rarely a good idea, and I am entirely unconvinced by any argument that "plot spoilers" should be removed from an encyclopedic article. Perhaps--perhaps--if this were the only available source of information, then an argument might be made, but removing plot information from this article will not prevent cheating or thwart those determined to read about the book before actually reading the book. There are endless numbers of sites with this information, and removing it from the Wikipedia article merely hurts the article without helping anyone. I would like to restore that info the article, but I've already reverted those deletions twice in the past few days. Other opinions/options?--ShelfSkewed Talk 15:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just sticking my head in here, but let's keep in mind WP:SPOILER: "It is not acceptable to delete information from an article about a work of fiction because you think it spoils the plot."  Albeit, this comes from an essay and not a true guideline or policy, but it's heavily adhered to.  Also remember that Wikipedia is not censored.  Our job is to be an encyclopedia, not to protect the readers. :) María (habla conmigo) 17:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing plot information 

message: Islamic Jihadists, al-Qaeda, the Taliban etc. absolutely do NOT tolerate homosexual behaviour. The penalty can be death. Flogging is the usual penalty for adultry. In the most egregious cases, the woman is shot in the head and the man is beheaded.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TimeDog (talk • contribs) 16:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the Taliban widely practiced homosexuality. See this mini documentary.
That is complete and absolute nonsense! Your link isn't a documentary. It's something someone made on their personal computer. Th U.S. "Psyops" also widely publicized forged poems which they themselves had written and attributed to Khomeini during the Iranian hostage crisis.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.54.218.179 (talk) 07:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It might be worth considering that in some cases male rape is not necessarily seen as "homosexuality" but more of a sign of contempt for the victim. It is not unknown for males to be raped before being killed to add to their humiliation. (79.190.69.142 (talk) 22:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not the place to discuss whether or not homosexuality occurs in Afghanistan.  This article is about a work of fiction, not about actual sexual relations in an actual country.  Qwyrxian (talk) 04:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factually Inaccurate, Emotionally Moving 

message: Please note 'Baba' is not the father's actual name. 'Baba' means father.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.185.36 (talk) 23:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I was about to change it but the actual name of Amir's father is if at all only mentioned in passing (and I cannot find it)... the man is frequently referred to as "Aga sahib", but "Aga" would seem to be a honorific/title (cf. "General sahib" for Soraya's father). I have adjusted it regardless, you might want to check it out. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 18:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Father 

message: Maybe my eyes are lying to me, but I certainly see two topics about "Characters". 
Can somebody delete it? 
Thanks  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarteto (talk • contribs) 20:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Keith D (talk) 22:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  why two characterlists? 

message: I think a link to cognitive dissonance should be added as that it is THE main theme that runs through the entire book. :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.195.16 (talk) 04:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  cognitive dissonance 

message: The article only notes that his mother is german and he is of mixed origin despite the book explicitly describes his white skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes. I don't know why the author made the only white kid in the book the evilest most psychotic homosexual child-rapist, but I think the article should make note of it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.211.103 (talk) 21:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assef race? 

message: There seem to be nothing but praises as to its literary quality; the only criticism is of its politics. It cannot possibly be unanimous that it was a good book. Shouldn't a complete view of its reception be included? For instance, there is nothing to hint that it has been called predictable, which it almost certainly has; if I still had my copy, I could fetch a quote that completely telegraphed the outcome of the climax. --Daniel Draco (talk) 06:22, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: I was reading through the article and noticed that the themes section had a clear bias. The section is:
The Kite Runner is a story with all the grand "themes of literature and life". It is a "vivid and engaging story that reminds us how long Khaled Hosseini's people have been struggling to triumph over the forces of violence". It is about "friendship and betrayal" and the arbitrary "price of loyalty". Themes of "love, honor, guilt, fear and redemption" are all included in this "extraordinary novel".[16][17]
This section is written like a review more than anything else. I think that at the least, it should be re-written to comply with the guidelines.
Anyone else agree with me? John Collier (talk) 02:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the themes section should be merged with the reception section, and the name of the author should be given. Otherwise, there is no place on Wikipedia for such non-neutral nonsenses. HeadlessMaster (talk) 20:35, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality of Themes Section 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Overall, the lead exhibits great characteristics of a Wikipedia article.It includes an introductory sentence that pout's the Kite Runner in the topic of the first book written by Khaled Hoesseini. However, the lead could be improved on several bases. The lead does not include any description of the main section of the article. While it does allude to the themes of the book in the second paragraph, it does not make a direct link to either the elements of the plot or introduces the character's properly. Additionally, the first paragraph is the only time in the article that specifically alludes to the backdrop of the story such as the fall of Afghanistan's monarchy. For the most part, the lead is concise but could use the improvements previously mentioned to give a more general overview of the book.
Raf3279 (talk) 13:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for Lead 

message: Hi! After reviewing the article, I think the following changes could be made to improve its quality:
*The Characters section does well in giving an overview of the characters. However, Sohrab has more characterization than "the son of Hassan" that should probably be included in this section. Furthermore, the bottom of the character list includes "Jagila Taheri" and "Khanum Taheri." Soraya's mother's name is not Jagila, but rather, Jamila Taheri. Also, Khanum Taheri is Jamila. Khanum is a formal title used to refer to her.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanum#:~:text=%22Khanum%22%20is%20the%20eastern%20equivalent,women%20of%20high%20social%20status. Similar to Sohrab, General Taheri and Jamila Taheri should also probably have at least some information given on them, even if it is as simple as "father/mother of Soraya." 
*Also, I noticed that the external link to BookDrum does not work anymore because the website was shut down, and citation 23 has an invalid link. I could not find a replacement for either of these, so if someone can find one that would be great! Otherwise, the information cited from this link should be removed. 
*Finally, the Other section in Adaptations lists multiple productions of plays but does not provide a citation for this information. The information should be removed from the article or corroborated. Ees129 (talk) 10:13, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Suggestions for Improvements 

message: While the article is neutral and comprehensive, I believe including more content on how the novel was received in Afghanistan and by the government would make a great addition under the section Critical reception.--Coco156 (talk) 20:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Observation on Balance/Perspectives