Talk:Home counties

message: I've moved this from the article because its POV. There are lots of places in the home counties that are neither conservative, prosperous or middle class at any level. MRSC 15:43, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: I'm afraid I can't cite the source for this as it was back early 90's.
Basically the Home Counties were defined as all of the area outside urban London that could be reached within one hour by rail from the mainline terminii of London. Therefore 'MPs could attend a typical day at Westminster and still get home for each night'. It was suggested that living any further from London, the MP would have a central London residence for the weeknights and then return home only at the weekend. The origin of the phrase and definition in this sense was said to the MPs and Westminster staff.
Given it's the area is clearly dependant on the speed and patten of train services, I am unclear as to (how under this definition) where the outer boundaries of the area might have layn or how consumate to county borders (the traditional ones I would assume) they were. For example, the 'one hour travel zone' cuts Kent in half but I always understood the whole of Kent to be "a Home County". No clue was given as to when the definition was first made or whether it became static or fluid. Since the railways have reorganised and upgraded/downgraded numerous times since the 60's, I expect the one hour zone have changed, shrunk, and expanded quite a bit.
Personal I always took the Home Counties to definately include Kent, Sussex (East & West), Surrey, Essex, Herefordshire, Buckinghamshire and Berkshire. The inclusion of Hampshire, Oxfordshire and Bedfordshire was a matter of debate. 
--Myfanwy 01:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I wonder about Hampshire, where I'm originally from. I wouldn't instinctively include it, but the northeast corner is very Home Counties (and within an hour of London). In doing fact-checking for a magazine in the past, I have come across quite different definitions from authoritative sources (can't remember which I accessed, though), one that included Hampshire but left out Oxfordshire, and another that reversed that. I like the one-hour travel time idea, though it's a bit of a movable feast, as you say. Oh, and I suspect you mean Herts not Herefordshire :)Tarquin Binary 15:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Not sure about the "one hour" thing at all: for example, Coventry and Peterborough can both be reached by train from London in around an hour, and I suspect nobody would seriously argue that these cities are within the Home Counties. 217.155.20.163 (talk) 01:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Definition and Explanation? 

message: Old Cromwellians.  That's why I find the description confusing.  68.110.8.21 03:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't London the most liberal area of the UK? 

message: This has nothing to do with the main debate, but I think a map of the Home Counties would be very helpful; even better if the exact boundaries of London itself were shown in a different color (perhaps white, or whatever colour the land exterior to the Home Counties is shaded).Shanoman 21:30, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Perhaps a map would be useful?

message: A more confusing implication for defining the boundary of the Home Counties could be the fact that, as is my interpretation, there are numerous London suburbs that still go by the former county addresses and share the social traits of the commuter belt further out. Any perceptibly wealthy or leafy part of London outside of Inner London could be said to be in the Home Counties, given that the whole of London is realistically a part of South East England (so the two are one and the same). Consider locations such as Richmond (Surrey) and Upminster (Essex), which I at least have always thought are effectively the same as commuter towns that lie just outside London. They are equally as dependant on Inner London as the likes of Billericay and Beaconsfield. WarrenStreet
:Richmond and Upminster are in London - hence not in the home counties. Jim Michael (talk) 09:07, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of Outer London Suburbs..

message: It would be good to have a map in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.243.18.141 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 5 December 2007
:I have included a map, although it is not intended to be definitive. It illustrates the counties mentioned in the various definitions. MRSC • Talk 21:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there not a map that is more up to date than 1921? Middlesex no longer exists and sussex is not part of the HC  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.184.129.92 (talk) 20:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: this section contains no verifiable fact, and is based entirely on subjective assumptions. Should be deleted Npmontgomery (talk) 12:11, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite agree, and was going to delete it myself.Lozleader (talk) 09:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  'population of the home counties' 

message: Does the expression 'Home Counties' stand to be capitalised, or not? There seems to be confusion on this, as to what the correct style is. Is there a right answer? Colin McLaughlin (talk) 11:46, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely not capitalised in my view, unless it is something like "Home Counties Regiment". Philafrenzy (talk) 12:00, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Few sources capitalise, and the similar home counties is not capitalised either. BananaBork (talk) 12:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  To capitalise 'Home Counties', or not? 

message: I know that County of London no longer exists. The map does not show current counties, but the ones before 1965, including Middlesex and County of London. I will therefore re-revert. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:05, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted edits 

message: It appears that different users have edited this article with different presuppositions about which type of county 'Home Counties' refers to. There are three types: (1) historic counties; (2) Local Government Act "counties"; and (3) "ceremonial counties" (lieutenancy areas). These have never abolished or replaced one another, and their boundaries are often overlapping.
This article should be maintained consistently. The so-called "home counties" are historic counties, so their boundaries are unaffected by changes in local government and lieutenancy.
The case of Middlesex is illustrative: it has existed for over a thousand years as (1) an historic county; (2) from 1889 to 1965 there was also an administrative "county" called Middlesex (which did not cover all of Middlesex); and (3) there has never been a ceremonial county of Middlesex. The Middlesex that was "abolished" in 1965 was only the administrative county that had been created in 1889.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by GarethStoat (talk • contribs) 11:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status of historic counties 

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