Talk:Manhattan Municipal Building

message: I work in this building :) I just wanted to someone to address why does the inscription in the front of the building say "New Amsterdam"? Is it to make the Dutch feel good that they colonized New York before the British defeated them, and renamed it to New York?
72.80.34.133 (talk) 01:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: Beyond My Ken, I've readded the citation needed tags:
* Web searches aren't showing any evidence the Elaine Bate's character worked in this building. With 180 episodes of Seinfield, stating to another editor that, rather than challenging an unverified statement with a tag in the hope that another editor knows where the shot might (or might not) appear, they should watch each and every episode to test the statement, isn't really helpful.
* The building may or not appear in the games concerned, but as we're claiming that it isn't even called the Manhattan Municipal Building in them, but goes by another name, asking for a reliable reference that this is indeed the same building is reasonable from my perspective. Hchc2009 (talk) 07:52, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *OK, I agree with your reasoning, sort of -- or, rather, don't disagree enough to pursue the matter. BMK (talk) 07:56, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *BTW that discussion, in which I took part, has not been closed, so there's no consensus at this point. BMK (talk) 07:58, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed... 

message: The RFC on verifiability items in popular culture sections has been closed. The conclusion was: "The consensus is very clear that a secondary source is required in almost all cases. A tertiary source is even better, if available. In the rare case that a primary source is judged to be sufficient, it should be properly cited. The source(s) cited should not only establish the verifiability of the pop culture reference, but also its significance." --Aervanath (talk) 09:32, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I will remove the unsourced/primary-sourced pop culture refs, per the RfC result. Neutralitytalk 19:41, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Result of RfC: secondary source is required 

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message: Trying to find out who carved 'Manhattan' and 'New York MDCLXIV' on the front of the building
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207.96.121.94 (talk) 00:18, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Municipal Building Lettering 

message: There are two sources in this article supporting the claim thst the model was Munson. 
One is an archived NYC page - it doesn’t say who the model is, so should be removed.  Here it is https://web.archive.org/web/20160304200909/http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcas/html/about/civicfame.shtml
The other source is a blog https://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/audrey_munson_new_yorks_civic_fame_and_miss_manhattan_san_franciscos_worlds/
It cites (and links to) a 1913 article from the New York Sun that says Munson was the the model for the statue on the Municipal Building, which it names as “Civic Pride”
That blog also notes and links to coverage of the blog’s author in a 1996 NYT piece about the blog author’s “obsession with Miss Munson” 
In the article on Audrey Munson, there are different sources for the claim that she is the model.
One is a link to the Smithsonian Institutuon Research Information System (which I assume is very reliable!). It doesn’t support the content - it says that the model was Julia Baird, and cites several scholarly sources. Link - https://siris-artinventories.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=15K89019L41P6.1276&profile=ariall&source=~!siartinventories&view=subscriptionsummary&uri=full=3100001~!5808~!16&ri=1&aspect=Keyword&menu=search&ipp=20&spp=20&staffonly=&term=civic&index=.GW&uindex=&oper=&term=Weinman&index=.AW&uindex=&aspect=Keyword&menu=search&ri=1
The other reference is a citation (no link) to the 7th article in a series of 20 articles that Munson wrote in 1920 and 1921 that were syndicated in Hearst newspapers’ sunday editions - the series was called “By the ‘Queen of the Artists’ Studios’” (with a long salacious subtitle).  I obtained that article and read it.  Her article doesn’t say anything about Civic Fame — it is about a visit to Paris, meeting the models there. There is however a little box (by the editors) which says that she was the model for “Civic “Pride” (similar to the New York Sun
In my view the Smithsonian reference is more reliable by Wikipedia standards. 
At minimum what the Smithsonian ref actually says should be in the content!
One could say “according to the Smithonian the model was Julia Baird; according to some contemporary accounts the model was Audrey Munson.” Or something like that.
Am also posting this on the Munson article 24.90.99.162 (talk) 19:43, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Model for Civic Fame - Audrey Munson or Julia Baird? 

message: where can we find information on which city committee determines the lighting theme and what it is? 2604:CA00:17C:3581:0:0:C60:631F (talk) 01:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  lightning on top of the building