Talk:Ōdachi

message: Hello anonymous editor, could you give some references from where
you get this information? Thanks, jni 10:17, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: :I did not see any sources or permission to use this text, so I mention here that this article is almost identical to the one in here.  Shinnin 20:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  and is in fact identical to text here. Outerstyx (talk) 17:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Permission?

message: While considerably longer than most stubs, the vast majority of the content of this article is in bulletpoints, with practically no further explanation. There is some interesting supplementary information, such as the etymology of the word, the swordsmithing techniques, but none of this is elaborated on. There is literally just one single sentence on this sword being used as a weapon. LordAmeth 16:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:MilHist Assessment

message: "Some ōdachi are too long for practical use."
I doubt this statement. Used from a horse a long sword can be very useful against targets on horse or afoot. The longest Odachi is more 377cm long. It could have been used in battle.
Also the long handle of this odachi seems to be made on purpose to facilitate the use.
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::You link to that site, and still dispute the fact that some Odachi were too long for practical use? And how would you propose to use any Odachi, let alone a 377cm long one, from horseback? Look at how they used greatswords and Zweihänders in Europe. -KA
:::My Ōdachi is massive and is rather hard to hold let alone wield. I think the statement in question is fairly solid unless there's some fairly convincing commentary to the contrary. Speaking of such, would a photo of my Ōdachi be appropriate for this page or is the page decent enough without it?
:::PinothyJ (talk) 10:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too long for practical use? 

message: Despite some would-be expert's attempt to differentiate between Ōdachi and nodachi, the terms are considered essentially synonymous in Japanese. 野太刀 redirects to 大太刀 on the Japanese wikipedia, and, tellingly, there is no link on the page for nodachi to the Japanese wikipedia.
--127.0.0.1 (talk) 17:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Although the articles say that the swords are different, none of them provide evidence to support that statement.  75.157.78.82 (talk) 17:45, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with nodachi? 

message: This unverified "factoid" was removed from  Modern system of ranked Shinto Shrines:
:Kibitsu jinja holds the longest Japanese Odachi, which has a length of 377 cm (11 feet).
With inline cite support, it could be used in this article. --Ansei (talk) 14:56, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Kibitsu jinja

message: I do not doubt at all the impracticality of drawing a blade of any significant length from the back, but did this really matter for this weapon? I would think the weapon would merely be stored there until needed, and would be drawn—presumably clumsily, by another person or after removing the scabbard from the back—well before coming into contact with the enemy (presumably on an open battlefield). It was hardly a weapon that would need to be (or be expected to have to be) drawn quickly. TaintedMustard (talk) 15:39, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drawing from the back 

message: I suggest the article is missing at least two cultural references which would be useful; Sasaki Kojiro’s use of an odachi during his duel with Musashi, and the depiction of its use in the Seven Samurai by Toshiro Mifune’s character, Kikuchiyo. Interestingly, in the film Kikuchiyo used his long sword to defeat a charging horseman (a reversal of the description of the odachi’s use in the article) and it also depicts the blade breaking after some use (which tally’s with the manufacturing difficulties the article  describes). Any thoughts? Swanny18 (talk) 18:30, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Another one: M'chonne on the Walking Dead carries one, NOT a katana which is the common mis-assumption  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.248.214.103 (talk) 20:58, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural references 

message: I removed an uncited reference to the Odachi supposedly being used from horseback, and changed "cavalry sword" (also uncited) to "infantry sword". The notion that it was meant for use from horseback is nothing short of preposterous, as it is very much a two-handed weapon - not a one handed weapon. Simply holding it out and swiping enemy infantry with it as you ride along is not a viable fighting method, and there is indeed no record whatsoever of it being used that way. I was able to find exactly one depiction of Odachi wielded from horseback, and it was held in both hands and poised to strike down vertically - against another cavalryman who was blocking with a yari. The trouble is that this seems to be a hero depiction, in which case exaggerations are common. For the most part it is shown in the hands of infantry. And indeed, we know it was used as an infantry sword, since we know it was common to wrap wire around the first portion of the blade as to make a ricasso, a means to extend the handle (Karl Friday, "Samurai, Warfare and the State in Early Medieval Japan"). No one else in the world thought it was a good idea to wield greatswords from horseback, and there is nothing to suggest the Japanese did, either. Tsuka (talk) 06:54, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infantry, not cavalry weapon 

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