Talk:Faris Odeh

message: Why? Tiamat 16:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To start with, because it is one-sided, and it relies almost entirely on a highly biased essay from a magazine which fails WP:RS. When providing context from an Israeli newspaper, this article does not link to Haaretz directly, but quotes a biased secondary-source which is clearly cherrypicking material that supports its thesis. GabrielF 16:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Amoruso (talk) 11:36, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: POV tag

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 11:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: I have no idea who Jihad Shaar is or what his relevance to Faris Odeh is. This article is about a child whose image of throwing a rock at a tank has immortalized, widely published, and who has since become a symbol of Palestinian resistance. Please use the regular AfD process if you think he's really not all that notable. Thanks. Tiamuttalk 19:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The main issue is WP:ONEEVENT and also a bit of WP:NOT#MEMORIAL. I've AfD'd. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The image is of him wasn't taken at the time of his death, has been published worldwide since then, and is widely recognized as a symbol of the Palestinian resistance. I don't think WP:ONEEVENT is applicable here at all. Tiamuttalk 01:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Prod tag

message: The image is not on this page. I'm guessing it has something to do with copyright. could somebody who knows about these things make it clear why the image isn't on the page. thanks. Delad (talk) 01:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You beat me to it. It's a justified use of a copyrighted image according to fair use doctrine and wikipedia's non-free content criteria. We can use copyrighted images if they're very famous and central to the notability of our article's subject; cf. 1968 Olympics Black Power salute, Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima, etc. <eleland/talkedits> 01:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: This article has a pov-issue. The boy is not at all important but only the picture of him in front of the tank and this because of the symbol around it (not him).
The article should be written accordingly. It is too much some sort of martyr's biography.
I have no intention of being provocative, but there is no more reason to talk about the boy than to talk about the history of the Merkava in the picture. Ceedjee (talk) 09:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The material from the Washington Post article could be trimmed. But this is a biography of the boy, and the material was published in reliable sources i.e. reliable sources wanted their readers to know something about him after he died. It therefore seems quite legitimate to add it, as with e.g. Muhammad al-Durrah. But I do agree that it takes up too much of the article, while there's nothing about exactly how he was killed, and what the IDF said about it. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 10:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: the bio section relies almost entirely on the one WP reference (that as of yet cannot be verified 100%) in an obituary/editorialized article written by a prominent Palestinian advocate. I would like to see the bio be supported by a more neutral author but that would be hard considering very few reliable sources on Faris Odeh exist. Wikifan12345 (talk) 01:31, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pov issue 

message: the entire biography section relies almost exclusively on this source washington post but I cannot find the original link.. I would like to replace the current link with the original WP reference to verify its authenticity. There are some other reference issues so I'll post them all here. Wikifan12345 (talk) 23:27, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked for that article in the Washington Post archive, both under the headline and the author, and I can't find it. I did find one by that author from December 11, 2000, part of which is here. I may e-mail the writer to ask if he wrote another one in May 2001. It's very unusual for the Post not to archive material, unless I entered the wrong parameters. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 23:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well at least that verifies the article was written - but I'd like to see the full article to meet standards. The date on the WP article and the current link is off by 1 year, not sure if that matters though. Perhaps we could rely on other references because that one is essentially an obituary written by a prominent Palestinian advocate. Wikifan12345 (talk) 23:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see we do have the right date, in fact. It's that website we link to that got the date wrong. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 00:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I was able to find the article in LexisNexis and it is from the Washington Post. I've uploaded a copy online here. The article specifically says: "Like all families of Palestinians killed by Israeli troops since September, the Odehs received a $ 10,000 check from Iraqi President Saddam Hussein." (third to last paragraph). GabrielF (talk) 00:47, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Washington post source 

message: The heading says Nov 9, and later it says "Although different sources offer different dates, all agree that Odeh was shot between November 8 and November 10."  The death of Faris was reported on Nov 8 by Agence France-Presse in a report that states explicitly it happened that day.  Also BBC Monitoring Middle East reported on Nov 8 that the Voice of Palestine (Ramallah) reported on that morning that Faris had died a short while earlier. Both those reports actually name Odeh. He was killed on the morning of Nov 8 and there is no need to note incorrect dates. Zerotalk 09:42, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for confirming that Zero0000. I agree that including incorrect dates creates needless ambiguity. Tiamuttalk 10:10, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  the date was Nov 8 

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message: Under reception at the bottom of the article, add wikilink for both Eyad al-Sarraj and Gaza Community Mental Health Programme. *Starfire2999* talk 02:56, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:46, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 May 2019 

message: Is it confirmed that Faris was born in December 1985? There are sources that claim he was 12, 13, or even 15. ImTheIP (talk) 16:04, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello , based on The Palestinian Civil Registry that Faris was born on 3 December 1985 (FYI ) --Alaa  :)..! 16:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Do you have a source for that fact?  If there is no source it can't be stated in Wikipedia. ImTheIP (talk) 17:05, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , Hello, after searching for his full name in the Palestinian civil registry, it became clear that he was born on December 3, 1985, Also The Palestinian News Agency mentioned this information here , thanks أمين (talk) 21:25, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! I added the link as a ref. ImTheIP (talk) 23:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks  and , I added it also to Wikidata. --Alaa  :)..! 13:26, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age