Talk:Carom billiards

message: How does the game of three cushion billiards end? Is it until one player concedes with the highest scoring player as the winner? --81.103.58.81 14:54, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game ending

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Cue sports.  Any comments, or better yet interested editors to participate? — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 01:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Marking topic "Resolved" as the project is now live, at WP:CUE, and has its own talk page for any further discussion. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 06:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Cue sports 

message: Do we really need a cite for "carambola"? I can't find any other use of this word, so unless someone can come up with a possible alternative it seems pretty obvious to me. Maury 22:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, everything should be cited. It's moot now. I completely rewrote the article and added the etymology of carom(bola/e).--Fuhghettaboutit 14:28, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, excellent edit Fuh, the article is fantastic. Maury 23:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you!--Fuhghettaboutit 05:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite needed?! 

message: I enjoyed reading this article. The number of references seemed ample, and there is a good provision of information on the many variants of the game. The information presented about its history is not only informative, but also interesting.--ZincBelief 10:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article 

message: What exactly was wrong with the adding of Progressive Billiards in the last edit? It's even sourced to be proved it's reality. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.9.126.41 (talk) 05:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not for recently made up stuff that someone finds interesting or entertaining.  The source isn't reliable.  My favorite pool bar could make up a new game (did, in fact, called Dutch pool), which might be played by various locals and have written rules (Dutch pool does, in fact).  Doesn't make it notable at all.  It's non-encyclopedic local fun-stuff.  When thousands play it around the world, might be a notable cue sport. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 06:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of progressive billiards 

message: As far as I can find out, the only fruit named carambola, via Portuguese from Marathi karanbal, is the star fruit. You need a lot of imagination to see  resemblance between a star fruit and a red billiards ball. Though mentioned by several dictionaries, this likely is a bit of folk etymology. The Oxford English Dictionary's entry on carambole wisely says "Derivation unknown. As the word is in Portuguese identical in form with the preceding [the carambola fruit], suggestions as to their identity have been made, but without any evidence." Afasmit (talk) 06:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated article to reflect this. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 17:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Folk etymology

message: Should a section about popular culture containing any references about what this article is about be added here? 124.106.201.49 (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a good idea. It's generally considered unencyclopedic. Please see Wikipedia:Trivia sections. Also relevant is WP:INDISCRIMINATE and you might find Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Popular culture also of interest.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture 

message: Just wanna inspire to check some dates and facts. Hoppe and Greenleaf played at least 4 matches, 3 in Three Cushion (1924, 2 in 1926) and 1 in Straight Pool (1929). It is doubtful that the 1924 match ended 600-527. Your reference link according the result misleadingly goes to an article from 1926(!). It has a lot to commend it that Hoppe had a bigger lead at the end. On the 5th day the score was 500-369. Besides, the match ended on September 29, probably the NYT brought the final score to the readers on the following day or October 1. I would be happy too to come to know the correct result, maybe someone of you in the US is able to read up on that and to find out for us the correct final score.Oimyakon (talk) 16:41, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three Cushion 

message: The opening sentence, "Carom billiard cues have specialized refinements making them different from the typical pool cue with which many people are more familiar." mentions both carom billiards cues and typical pool cues.  The second sentence describes "such cues". Are "such cues" carom billiards cues or typical pool cues?  Thanks.  BillyPreset (talk) 23:03, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equipment | Cues 

message: Billiards is not a hybrid of pocket billiards and Carom, it is far older than that. It pre-dates both games, the sentence "The word 'carom', which simply means any strike and rebound, came into use in the 1860...". 
So the current wording is wrong. It is like saying that rugby is a hybrid of association football. -- PBS (talk) 08:21, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: (I know what PBS is referring to but for the benefit of others, he's talking about English billiards (not just billiards); the statement above appears to be missing a word; see this edit for background).That makes no sense at all and apparently depends from your continued misunderstanding that "carom billiards" is a game rather than a term used to describe any game involving caroms as the object of scoring, rather than pocketing balls as a form of scoring. That the WORD carom came into use in the 1860s or at any other time is neither here nor there (however, that section needs tweaking, the 1860 date is disputed by Shamos, who provides 1779 as its first use in the context of billiards; btw it's sometimes spelled "carrom" in early sources). Anyway, the logic of your analogy, with the understanding that carom billiards is not in any way a singular game, is like saying "how can a "ball" game have existed prior to the use of the word ball! Therefore, calling a game involving kicking a ball they played in 2,000 B.C. a "ball game" is impossible because the term "ball" didn't exist then." That is exactly the form of your logic. Carom billiards is: "Any of a number of game in which the object is to cause the cue ball to contact two or more object balls, thus affecting a carom[caramboler/carambole]." (The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Billiards, Mike Shamos, curator of the Billiards Museum and Archive, page 41, ) Let me restate my edit summaries. I tried to provide a full explanation there but it may have been lost in that format. As I said, very slightly tweaked: Same misunderstanding as last time. Carom Billiards games are those that involve caroms as a goal of scoring. Pocket billiards involve hazards (pockets) as a goal of scoring. Carom billiards is not a singular game; it describes a class of games that involve caroms to score. Pocket billiards is not a singular game; it describes a class of games that involve pockets to score. The English billiards history you have placed here, that I wrote, does not fit here at all; totally out of focus and random placed in the lead of this article. The three games making up that description are the winning game--scoring through winning hazards (pocketing balls); the losing game--scoring through losing hazards (intentional "scratching"); and the carambole game, of course, was scoring through caroms. That is, these three games, two pocket billiards disciplines and one carom billiards discipline were combined together to breed an offspring, a hybrid game: English billiards. I don't understand what is not crystal clear about this. To recap, English Billiards formed from three prior games, one of which was a carom billiards game because it was a "game in which the object [was] to cause the cue ball to contact two or more object balls, thus affecting a carom" and two of which were pocket games. Thus, English Billiards is, indeed, a hybrid of carom and pocket billiards.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:50, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hybrid 

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message: There is an article Carrom, but no link there. What is the relation between these two?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sciken (talk • contribs) 03:07, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carrom 

message: In this musical, the lead character compares this ‘balk line game’ favorably, in contrast with the game of pool he is trying to work up feeling against. Since it is a widely known reference to the game, it could be included in the Popular Culture section, as showing the attitude of the times. 5.148.149.206 (talk) 13:39, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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