Talk:Michael Beschloss

message: Isn't he a presidential historian (at least considered as a colloquial term)?    --Scriberius 11:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: presidential historian

message: A couple of editors have removed my recent addition for different reasons.  The first removed it on the basis that it was out of context.  The fuller context available at  http://freedomswings.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/obama-is-our-smartest-president/ show that it was not given out of context in my addition.  The second removed it on the basis that it was ideological.  I believe that I worded the addition neutrally, but I'm willing to listen to a suggestion for alternative wording.  Neutrality is a Wikipedia principle, not the presence of material that the subject of the article may not like seeing in his biography. I believe that the addition goes to the question of Beschloss' objectivity as a historian towards Obama.  Drrll (talk) 16:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If in fact he said that he misspoke, I would agree that this shouldn't be included.  As he originally said it, he said that he believed it was likely that Obama was THE smartest man to become president, not just one of the smartest.  But if he retracted that, then I'll take him at his word.  I would like to see that retraction if it is available somewhere.  And thanks for the kind words. Drrll (talk) 23:05, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obama's IQ and Beschloss' objectivity 

message: "Beschloss was born in Chicago, grew up in Flossmoor, Illinois and was educated at Eaglebrook School, Andover, Williams College and Harvard University. He majored in political science, working under James MacGregor Burns at Williams, from which he was graduated with Highest Honors, and earned an MBA at Harvard Business School, with the original intention of writing history while serving as a foundation executive."
Just a few things.
1. Should the title of this article be "Background" or "Education"? 
2.  When an undergraduate student majoring on Political Science the article says he was "working under", instead of studying under.
3. "... he was graduated with Highest Honors, and earned an MBA at Harvard Business School, with the original intention of writing history while serving as a foundation executive." This seems to imply a different course of action was taken but there is no previous explanation, nor any follow up that explains why his implied unfulfilled intentions are an important to his bio or relevant to the article.
66.108.243.166 (talk) 10:02, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Early Life 

message: Why was this deleted?  George Soros is an important political figure.  The information might be controversial, but is there a source that says that this information is not accurate?
Would this information have been deleted if the name was the Koch brothers instead of George Soros?
The statement seems rather tame to me.
Michael Beschloss' wife said have strong ties to Democrats (see ) and George Soros-backed groups such as Media Matters.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.230.160.200 (talk • contribs) 2012-02-28
What exactly is the connection to Soros?  Is it that his wife works with someone with some connection with Soros?  That is a pretty weak link, and does not seem worth putting in the article unless there is some event in Beschloss' life that it is particularly related to.  Fred Birchmore (talk) 08:52, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Soros political link 

message: Beschloss has appeared on The Daily Show in 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2010. He was portrayed by Chris Kattan on NBC's "Saturday Night Live" on February 14, 1998.[6] He started a Twitter account, @BeschlossDC, in October 2012.[7] It appears on TIME Magazine's list of "Best Twitter Feeds of 2013".
Should delete. Someone explain to me the significance of appearing on TV comedy shows and having a twitter account.  Anyone can do this.Danleywolfe (talk) 21:38, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daily Show.. SNL ... Twitter 

message: I can see skirmishes in the edit history over the historian claim, but I see nothing in the article that shows the question has actually been resolved *in the article*. That needs fixed, especially since at the moment any qualifications he may have to entitle him as "historian" are conspicuous by their absence. For example, the article makes no mention at all of any formal education in history. His undergrad degree is recorded here as polisci, and his only graduate dgree is  in business. (And what's with the weird comment about him having an "original intention" when he did his MBA, of "writing history"?) Nor is there any mention of any scholarly publications, either papers or extended works, and there's  no WP:RS of any acknowledgment by other professional historians that he is one of them.
Going further, even what there is of substance seems to be padded out by barely relevant references to his Twitter account, popular TV appearances, and even, bizarrely, a couple of mentions of him being mentioned by a couple of famous people who are mentioned elsewhere. 
Overall, I'm inclined to agree with an earlier editor, that the article is describing at most something like a "writer of American history". As it stands, this is not a description of an historian. Some decent additional sourcing (along with maybe ditching the trivia, and making the existing source more precise) should fix this. Of course that's assuming he actually is what we're claiming and, therefore, that such sources exist. Otherwise, the "historian" claim will remain not justified and would probably need to go. Sleety Dribble (talk) 22:54, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Following up, Teri, I see you removed the  tag I'd added in the lead and I note your edit comment where you say, "citations don't normally go in the lede -- should be moved to career". But in fact lead citations are not only often permissible, they may even be essential in some cases (see WP:CITELEAD). I'd say that this is certainly an example of the former, if not the latter. The "historian" claim is both weighty, and up-front, so we need to get it either reliably sourced, or removed (either will do) no?  Sleety Dribble (talk) 22:38, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Issues have been fixed with appropriate citations.  Many public historians do not have a slew of academic papers or a doctoral degree in history, but they are still considered by their peers as historians. TeriEmbrey (talk) 13:41, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historian? 

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