Talk:Babalon

message: A form of Egregore theory that assumes the existence of Vril would indeed explain all of Crowley's remarks about the Gods, IIRC. But when did he actually endorse that theory or use the word egregore? For the purpose of this article, we can't safely assume that he meant every word he wrote about Gods. Dan 07:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Egregore Theory

message: I removed the whole section on Ishtar, etc. as original research. You can't make correlations anew in Wikipedia, you will need to find a book(s) or article(s) that draws the conclusions you are making and cite the articles to include any such information... Sorry, I know it may be "common knowledge" in the occult arena, but it's not common knowledge to the average person and so needs citations. (saved below) -999 01:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Except for the part in parentheses, every word of this already appears on Wikipedia! For the city's association with Ishtar, see Ishtar Gate. I do want to state that connection explicitly, though. Dan 08:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

text: "mentally ill pervert with a god complex" is hardly an acceptable stance to have for an encyclopedia either. --Rodneyorpheus (talk) 11:24, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: Perhaps the obvious origin is the ancient city of Babylon, a major metropolis in Mesopotamia (modern Al Hillah in Iraq). Babylon is the Greek variant of Akkadian Babilu (bāb-ilû), meaning "Gateway of the god". It was the "holy city" of Babylonia from around 2300 BC, and the seat of the Neo-Babylonian empire from 612 BC. In the Old Testament, the name appears as בבל (Babel), interpreted by Genesis 11:9 to mean "confusion", from the verb balal, "to confuse".
One of the goddesses associated with Babylonia was Ishtar, who bears an uncanny resemblance to Babalon. She is the Akkadian counterpart to the Sumerian Inanna and to the cognate northwest Semitic goddess Astarte. The Greeks associated her with Venus and Aphrodite. Ishtar was worshipped as a goddess of fertility and sexuality, but also of war and the guardian of prostitutes (depending on the time period).
MadVoo (talk) 23:19, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "mentally ill pervert with a god complex" is hardly an acceptable stance to have for an encyclopedia either. --Rodneyorpheus (talk) 11:24, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Babylon and Ishtar

message: The modern manifestation of Babalon in occult work is to build a link with her to allow the occultist to navigate the Abyss with out destroying themselves. The Beast and The Whore allow safe transit in the void but you need to be aligned with that particular magickal current. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.141.23.92 (talk • contribs).
:Moved from article: The Gateway term is highly disputed, This is more in line the the Golden Dawn correspondence of Binah , where human consciousness cant dwell. With regard to the great mother label this is NOT a thelemic correspondence.  While Crowley in Liber 418 does call her "more than merely Binah," the book introduces Babalon as Binah or the City of the Pyramids. (For those who care, it also links her with the path of Daleth.) You would need excellent citations to dispute this, and in any case we'd still want the article to point out that Crowley endorsed it. Dan 22:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Binah and anonymous edits

message: I've started cleaning this up since it seems to have languished recently. One thing I'd like to do is get rid of the Joel Birocco reference, it seems rather extraneous. Will also check with O.T.O. about copyright status of that Tarot card image.--Rodneyorpheus (talk) 20:38, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Getting this article up to better status

message: (Note: cross-posting to Talk:Babalon, Talk:Whore of Babylon, Talk:Prostitution)
At present the term "Scarlet woman" has three possible articles:
: Scarlet woman is a redirect to Prostitution
: Scarlet Woman is a redirect to Whore of Babylon
: Babalon opens with Babalon — also known as The Scarlet Woman...
I would propose that both Scarlet woman and Scarlet woman be directed to a page giving links to each of the above articles. If there is no objection I will create the disambiguation page and change the redirects accordingly - does 48 hours seem like a reasonable interval? ElijahOmega (talk) 12:11, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that makes a lot of sense --Rodneyorpheus (talk) 16:15, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scarlet Woman