Talk:Splatterhouse

message: Liar, this game was not "released exclusively in Japan". 
It has been suggested that Dr. West was named after Herbert West, the Re-Animator (played in adaptations of H.P. Lovecraft's work by Jeffrey Combs).
:I added a mention of this in the trivia section that goes over the film references. I feel that it is safe to assume that is the individual they were making reference to, even if it is never outright stated that way. Too much of the game, while I love it (and those that followed it), is just too reminiscent of horror films of the era. TheMonkofDestiny 01:14, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, as an aside to that, it would be pertinent to consider that they could only reference or draw inspiration from films that existed before they made the game. Unless they had some way of seeing the future or something. TheMonkofDestiny 01:17, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

message: How is what three reviewers wrote nearly twenty years after Splatterhouse's original release considered "reception"?  These citations don't provide any historical context to Splatterhouse's original reception by video game reviewers and the video game community -- by the time the authors wrote these reviews, the shock value gore that was Splatterhouse's claim to fame was much more commonplace, and side-scrolling brawlers had long since seen their heyday.  They merely represent opinions of people playing a title many years past its prime, which is no more insightful or of historical significance than anyone else's opinion of the game.
I recommend removing this section due to its misleading context and lack of relevance, or in the very least indicating these opinions are strictly for the reception of the Wii Virtual Console re-release eighteen years later.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.25.66 (talk) 02:26, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I concur with this poster about the fact that "reception" can't be accurately determined 20 years later after-the-fact.
I remember quite honestly that this game received a lot of positive attention back in the 1990's.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C4EA:14D0:883E:D6A4:5BCE:7036 (talk) 03:48, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: I just noticed that there are no mentions or links to the sequels' pages. If nobody objects then I would like to add that info in a section called either Sequels or Legacy. ---donbruno (talk) 04:59, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Sequels

message: Hi, I originally wrote the entire Splatterhouse article that spanned all three games. I'd like to thank everyone for fucking up the original edits and tearing it apart into three lackluster pages, with information that has no evidence to back it up (Evil Dead fanboys got to this one). Christ, if there was some way to lock the article, I would have. It's also unfair to some of the changes that were made before the split, some people adding really good information which is now gone.
My corrections for reference:
TG16: Rick's mask is not predominantly red, it *IS* red, entirely.
Arcade: It was never banned. If you think otherwise, link to a news article or some actual proof. Likewise there was no Parental Advisory Disclaimer, that term came up much later when console games were rated. Proof, people, provide proof before writing!
General: Splatterhouse has *never* been considered survival horror, and that term did not even exist until Resident Evil for the PSX, which was the game that coined the phrase.
The movie references are pointless; while a few are correct (Friday the 13th) I think we could make very loose relations between any horror game and any horror movie. Has anyone even checked the dates of these films to ensure they didn't come out *after* Splatterhouse?
Turbografx-16 is 'TurboGrafx-16'. There is no console called the 'FM Town Marty PC', but there is an 'FM Towns Marty'. Again, this was all correct before.
Not that it matters though, apparently the new editors want to add their own poorly-written spin on everything. Fuck you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.110.0.97 (talk • contribs) 
:If your efforts were to come off as if you had a superiour version of the article that crammed every bit of info of the series into one jumbled mess, then congratulations on succeeding with that. Addressing your concern over previously incorrect bits of information (the red mask, the banning in the arcades), most of that has been cleaned up and/or removed either by myself or various others. The dates of the films (I'll say "most", since I can't speak for the more obscure titles in the list, as I have not seen them) mentioned do indeed predate Splatterhouse's release. The only inconsistency was with the inclusion of the second Evil Dead film, which I removed myself upon realising. Your own call for proof before writing is also something you should consider heeding to. The game falls under the survival horror genre due to its elements (I dare you to present a valid and sensible argument stating that it doesn't). If you'd bothered to collect any info before spouting off an ill-conceived rant in this article's talk page, you'd realise that the term was only adopted widely after its appearance in Resident Evil but countless games (Clock Tower on the Super Famicom for example) before it also carried very similar elements and are currently considered to be of the survival horror genre regardless of whether the term was actually in existence at the time of their release. The state of the article as it is now is in considerably excellent condition. The story no longer conflicts with any possible copyright violations (since I'd assume you were the genius who copied the story word for word from the TG-16 manual into the article in the first place).TheMonkofDestiny 20:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I don't agree with the tone of the rant, he makes some good points. For instance, the horror movie tie-ins besides, obviously, Friday the 13th, seem completely unnecassary and conjecture at best. Where's the verifiability on movie ties? Also, having been a fan of the arcade edition, i found it odd that i couldn't find it mentioned in the article... and why does it say that the arcade version was only released in Japan? I was in Rhode Island, or maybe Ohio when I played it in the arcade.--Adrift* 00:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was being edited by a known vandal, who happened to be including that false "Japanese exclusive" mention in it. I agree with your standpoint concerning the film references, since just short of asking individuals who made the game, it is near-impossible to be certain that they borrowed ideas or that the filmmakers borrowed their ideas from them. The only reason I left that entire section in and cleaned up the formatting on it was simply because it was there prior to the moves of revision I took with the article overall. Of course, this is Wikipedia, I claim no ownership over a solitary article (nor does anyone else) so if the general consensus concerning those mentions are that they should be removed, I would not make an attempt to revert them back into the article. Also, what could be mentioned about the arcade cabinet that doesn't get covered by the infobox? Just short of devoting a section regarding how "cool it looked" or something, I could think of nothing pertinent to mention of it since the article covers the arcade game itself and mentions that it was ported over onto other systems. See the reasoning? TheMonkofDestiny 08:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ill-Advised Rant

message: with phrases like "pretty much" in the weapons descriptions, saying the harpoon is "actually useful" and posing questions to the reader, like "notice the disembodies hands in some areas?" this article has some very unencyclopedic sections that require some clean up.
or am i just crazy? Pandapatrol 16:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  not very encyclopedic 

message: Why did the Terror/Hell Mask summon it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.38.180.40 (talk) 02:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, according to Splatterhouse 3, the Terror Mask felt that the evil denizens of the house were the only thing holding it back.  So I guess it summoned Hell Chaos explicitly so Rick would get rid of it for him. --Bishop2 04:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. West/Hell Chaos 

message: I'm not so sure if this should be included. I don't blame the makers for wanting to mention their amature film but this isn't encyclopedic. Opinions? --Mysterious Bob 15:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree 100% there. If every article on Wikipedia were to spawn amateur films, maybe it'd merit deeper consideration. As it is, if it isn't notable even in the slightest, it doesn't need to be there. --71.156.95.89 21:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie Adaptation 

message: I just saw this on the main page:
"Namco has announced a next-gen adaptation to reboot the franchise to be developed by Bottlerocket Entertainment. One of the key designers of the remake is said to be the creator of the West Mansion fan website."
I only wish I was a key designer on the new game - then I'd be getting paid! I found that pretty flattering, though (to whoever posted that, what source did you get that from? I'd love to know). No, I'm just a fan that got noticed by Namco Bandai and BottleRocket because of my website, and one that hopes to make the voices of Splatterhouse fans everywhere heard by the powers that be when it comes to the new game. There's always the possibility that my site or I will be listed in the credits of the game, though. Dire51 (talk) 07:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Splatterhouse game/Creator of West Mansion connection

message: This is getting ridiculous. Any game that comes out now with a horror theme is being called survival horror, and likewise people seem to be desperately scrambling to go back through the pages of video game history to slap the survival horror label on any past game with a zombie or monster in it. What's next? Castlevania? Ghosts and Goblins? How about Final Fantasy? There are zombies in that, so it must be survival horror, right? And the fighting game Darkstalkers. There's lots of macabre monsters in that. People, Splatterhouse is a friggin' mindless side-scrolling beat 'em up. (Not saying it's a bad game mind you) It is NOT survival horror, and anyone who thinks so clearly does not know the meaning of the term. Let's take a look at the main features of the survival horror genre as established by games like Sweet Home, Alone in the Dark, and Resident Evil (most consider these to be some of the earliest and most important survival horror games, possibly along with the original SNES version of Clock Tower) and see which of them Splatterhouse has.
-Horror theme and setting: Yes
-Item collection: No
-Inventory management with finite space: No
-Storyline that is often related to the player through diaries and other personal accounts and/or NPC's: No
-Puzzle solving: No
-Explorable environment that is broken up by locked/blocked areas forcing the player to find keys/alternate ways to access those areas: No
-Emphasis on problem solving gameplay where combat is not always the solution to problems: No
-Combat is often limited by a scarce amount of ammunition for projectile weapons. If melee weapons are present they are usually very weak or in some way finite (can be lost, used up, broken, etc.): No. Although melee weapons can be dropped when attacked by enemies, I don't think they ever disappear for good. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) The player also has several decent melee attacks so they are never helpless.
-Recovery items are also scarce working with ammo/weapon scarcity to limit the combat/action portion of the game: No. Although you could say recovery items in Splatterhouse are scarce as I don't believe there are any at all, the whole point of making them (along with ammo) scarce is to convince the player that fighting may not be the only way to solve a problem. In beat 'em ups like Splatterhouse, fighting is the absolute only option. You're presented with an obstacle and you either destroy it or be destroyed by it.
-(This one is key, folks.) The combined scarcity of ammo/weapons and recovery items makes players think twice before fighting monsters or trying to kill all monsters instead of avoiding some. This takes the emphasis away from combat and focuses it on pure survival: No. Survival horror is about the fear you feel when the enemy is closing in and you have precious little time to decide whether you should use your last few bullets on them or try to run by them despite the fact that you are low on health and have no recovery items left. There is none of that in Splatterhouse. Splatterhouse is about scrolling through linear levels having fun smashing up enemies.
Splatterhouse is beat 'em up horror, NOT survival horror. --LoneWolf6:16 (talk) 06:33, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops, just noticed this. I've switched the genre to beat 'em up, unless someone can show significant examples of this being referred to as survival horror in reliable sources which can somehow credibly link splatterhouse's gameplay with silent hill and resident evil, we should be sticking with beat 'em up, which it.. is. I have seen journos occasionally refer to the games as S-H, but in a way which suggests they're just chucking the term around and not differentiating between horror and survival horror. The way the links had been piped (IE they linked to survival horror, but had been chopped to display as horror) suggests that that it was being used to classify all video games with horror elements, which is not what it's for. Someoneanother 00:43, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's basically what happened. At the time, there'd been no clearly defined tenets as to what truly constituted "survival horror" - at least none so clear as those laid out by LoneWolf6 (though some are bollocks, with all due respect, as far as being indicative of that sub-genre alone). Clearly a vast wave of change has rolled about since then, and defining it as a horror-themed beat 'em up (or similar) seems to shoehorn it correctly into where it needs to be. --TheMonkofDestiny (talk) 06:46, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Survival Horror 

message: It seems like Splatterhouse ep.1 - Deception of the Mask, Splatterhouse ep.2 - Journey Through Hell and Splatterhouse ep.3 - Back to Light are missing in this article.
I'm not sure whether these are fan-made versions of the game or not
Proof: http://sergiokrauser2.blogspot.com/
Proof: http://the-dreamcast-junkyard.blogspot.com/2008/12/splatterhouse-dreamcast-trilogy.html
Nonetheless it would be nice to mention those games.
Comment: It seems like this is a reference/mod to Beats of Rage a Streets of rage open source clone http://indiedreams.wikia.com/wiki/Beats_of_Rage20:59, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This game was made not only for Turbografx-16 and arcade, but also for the Sega Genesis. Why is this not mentioned at all in the article? Shouldn't someone put that in there?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C4EA:14D0:883E:D6A4:5BCE:7036 (talk) 03:53, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  The only Splatterhouse games released for the Genesis were its two sequels. Those already have their own articles. There was never a port of the original to the Genesis, although that would have been nice. Dire51 (talk) 04:16, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  PC and Dreamcast version missing !? 

message: This article is missing citations on its material, and is missing information on the game's development which should be added to the article. Also there should be more reviews on the game added to the reception section as well.--Paleface Jack (talk) 03:32, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion: and Citation 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: An anonymous user (47.190.47.120) keeps removing information regarding Rudy Ferretti and makes personal attacks.  A noted public figure spoke this morning on his facebook page about receiving an email from this very user (47.190.47.120) calling him "a young historian".  The public figure has a well established feud with both Ferretti and Billy Mitchell and now their articles keep getting modified to put them in a bad light.  We are supposed to believe that this user (47.190.47.120) is NOT a sock puppet account of the public figure?  It is strange that they are emailing each other regarding the facebook edits, and the user (47.190.47.120) keeps making allegations of conflict of interest etc.  I believe they are the same person.  There is no "young historian" out there.  
Aurcade is not an independent reliable source for world records.  Please stop using it to justify your personal vendetta.  Ferretti's record is recognized by both Twin Galaxies and Guinness Datagod (talk) 15:23, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Attacks 

message: Well, this is well past the point of civil discussion. A few ground rules that apply everywhere on Wikipedia, based on our (Wikipedia's) policies and guidelines.
1: Discuss content, not editors. 
:1a: Who anyone is in the real world is immaterial and attempting to disclose their identities is not acceptable.
:1b: If you believe an editor is attempting to pass as two or more editors, the appropriate place to discuss that issue is in a sockpuppetry case. Instructions can be found at WP:SOCK.
:1c: Personal attacks are not acceptable anywhere on Wikipedia. If you aren't sure if something you are about to say is a personal attack, don't post it. If you'd like to argue that something might somehow not count as a personal attack, let me assure you every possible excuse has been tried before and will not prevent AN/I from blocking you.
2: Edit warring is not acceptable. While WP:3RR explains the "bright line" 3 revert rule, it is clear there is edit warring involved here. I have reverted to the version predating all of this. Attempts to change this information without establishing a consensus first will lead to appropriate warnings, blocks, sock cases, page protection, etc. as needed. If one side discusses the issue and the other does not, that discussion would become the new consensus.
3: We report what reliable sources say.
:3a: It seems there are three different sources being discussed here. Guinness World Records, IMO, starts off as a given. If you disagree, please explain. That said, a record recorded by Guinness is the highest score according to their criteria. Other sources may have other criteria and record higher or lower scores as a result. Other sources will have to be examined based on the criteria explained at WP:IRS.
:3b: Synthesis might be an issue here as well. If "Source A" says one thing and "Source B" says something that seems to disagree, we should not be attempting to explain the difference, call attention to it as a "controversy", etc. unless we have a reliable source that discusses the difference, calls it a controversy, etc.
:3c: This article seems to discuss living people. As a result, our policy on biographies of living people applies in this article and on this talk page. Do not add negative or controversial information or claims about living people in the article or on the talk page without citing a reliable source for the claim.
:3d: There seem to be some weasel words popping up. There was no "collusion", there are no "enemies" and there is no "recognized" high score. It is possible that "John Doe said there was collusion" or "The Official Games Report reported that Jane and John are enemies" or "The High Scores Foundation certified Billybob's score as their 'Most Highest Score EVERRRRRRRR!' on Burgertime", but the wording matters.
To move forward from here, I would suggest the editors involved first make it clear if they have edited under more than one user name and/or IP address. Next would be establishing which sources are reliable. - SummerPhDv2.0 00:57, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starting over on this issue 

message: Well, we seem to have gotten nowhere. I guess we'll have to take this step by step.
Guinness World Records, Aurcade and Twin Galaxies seem to be the sources under discussion here as possible adjudicators of record scores. All of them seem to be primary sources. Do any of them have coverage of the record is secondary sources?
Before discussing whether any of them are reliable sources, there is a question of whether or not a record high score is encyclopedic. Guinness, for example, publishes tens of thousands of "records" on their website. The overwhelming majority of them have received no coverage in independent reliable sources and have no place in an encyclopedia. It would be fairly easy to find reliable sources discussing Glasgow Tower citing the Guinness record for tallest tower. As a result, it makes sense to include that in Glasgow Tower. It would be unlikely to find an article in a reliable source discussing bicycles that cites the Guinness record for bicycle eating. As a result, bicycle does not mention the record.
What independent reliable sources, if any, discuss ANY of these records? - SummerPhDv2.0 02:14, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breaking it down...