Talk:Medieval football

message: I've removed the merger suggestion at the Mob Football article.  The debate has been very little over the last few months.  I won't do it to this article, because I haven't had a hand in editing it.  So, I'm suggesting that you take it down here as well.  Rowlan 13:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to leave it in the hope that the reverse happens and we get mob football merged into this article. Can you tell me what is so important and distinctive about mob football that it requires a separate article? Grant65 | Talk 03:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While 'mob football' is an authentic name for an ancient sport, 'mediaeval football' is a modern umbrella term for a range of mediaeval games. I should have thought 'mob football' justifies an article in its own right. If so, it clearly would not make sense to merge the general into the specific, and I say keep both articles. 194.72.162.199 19:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Authentic"? Do you think that the players referred to themselves as a mob? I doubt it. They would have just called it "football". Both are modern terms. Grant65 | Talk 02:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Mob Football Taken Down

message: The Tullie House Museum is referred to in the passage as stating that 'many nationalities' were in Mary's retinue but there is no actual reference provided to back this up. It is also suggested that, Her normal Scottish retinue was presumably not allowed in order to prevent her escaping back to Scotland. There is no factual basis to this statement. Mary had a small number of French servants in her personal household, who fled south with her after the Battle of Langside. Her retinue and followers, however, were overwhelmingly Scottish (who had been on the losing side of a civil war and fled south to escape persecution). Evidence of the Scottish presence can be found in Rev Robert Keith's, History of the affairs of church and state in Scotland from the beginning of the reformation to the year 1568, Vol 2, Edinburgh, 1844. P827 (I have added the known nationalities in brackets).Among Mary's attendants in Carlisle Castle were Bishop Lesley of Ross (Scottish), Lords Herries, Livingstone, and Fleming (all Scottish), George Douglas, the foundling page "Little Douglas" (both Scottish), Curll and Naive, her two secretaries (one Scottish, one French), John Beaton (Scottish), and Sebastian (French). I have also added a translated extract of a letter written by Sir Francis Knollys to Secretary Cecil, on 2nd June 1568, and published in James Anderson's, Collections Relating to the History of Mary Queen of Scotland, Vol IV, Part I. London, 1728. Pp62-63. Her company of servants hitherto are not above thirty or forty, whereof there be Gentlemen Servers, Carvers, and Cupbearers, half a dozen, and as many Gentlemen Waiters, not much inferior to the other. Then the rest be Cooks and Scullions, and Varlets of the Chamber and Lackies; but yet not past three or four of those that lie within the castle, whereof George Douglas is one, because we found him so. Now the Lord Claud (Hamilton), and the Laird of Skirling (Sir James Cockburn), and the young Mr Maxwell (John, later 8th Lord Maxwell), with various other Gentlemen, and their servants, do lie in the town at their own charge, to the number of thirty or forty more; which gentlemen do between meals come in to see the Queen, because we found that usage and would be loath to grieve them with alterations, until we know further of her highness’s pleasure. Within this letter Hamilton, Cockburn and Maxwell are listed as members of the Queen's retinue and they were all Scottish subjects. Furthermore this letter demonstrates the uncertainty that existed prior to Mary's removal to Bolton Castle. During Mary's confinement at Carlisle Castle Knollys had to maintain a balance between keeping her 'secure' and under constant watch, whilst he awaited further instructions from Cecil, and permitting her a degree of freedom while she waited to hear from Elizabeth (she was not openly regarded as a prisoner at this early stage). It is because of this uncertainty that anxious views are expressed of her access to Scottish nobles and her freedom to venture out from Carlisle Castle (so close to Scotland) to watch games of football. If the nationality of the players is an issue, then the passage, judging from the Scottish encampment that was based in Carlisle and the known nationality of 'gentlemen' servers within her retinue the passage should refer to an overwhelmingly Scottish retinue.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.20.68.188 (talk) 15:31, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The Retinue of Mary Stuart, 1568

message: I think that the medieval period tecnically finished in 1500 or 1550.  Some of these references come after this and this needs to be acknowledged or a new page be added.
:I know where you are coming form, but there is no agreement on when the medieval period ended. Also, the games we are talking about were devised during that period and are quite different from modern codes of football. Grant65 | Talk 16:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: definition of medieval

message: This article concentrats heavily on Britain.  I find it hard to believe football-like games were not played elewhere, therefore this must be a case of systemic bias.  --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 18:42, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The tag is curious, since it fails to explain why it should be desirable to have "worldwide" games of football in an article which is concerned with medieval, that is European, sports. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 14:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The tag should't be added without at least some effort at confirming the systemic bias, especially when someone 'finds it hard to believe' something, which is 100% opinion. If finding information on other types of medieval football is so easy, why not go find it and add it in, rather than denigrating the text which IS here as second rate just because the information is about England.  Mdw0 (talk) 23:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed {globalize/UK}} template - the point is that Medieval football was a phenomenon of the British Isles - if anyone has any WP:Verifiable evidence to the contrary, then please enlighten us. --Mais oui! (talk) 08:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While I agree on the whole - perhaps the article should be renamed 'Medieval Football in the United Kingdom'? ....Football games did exist in Europe. Calcio Fiorentino and La Soule are good examples. -- Talskiddy (talk) 10:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than that, lets find other examples from Europe and the rest of the world and put them in. The information here should reflect teh information we can gather. If there was a lot of writing about the british games then it should be expected that British information should dominate teh article, but it shouldn't be exclusive if its just a matter of a bit of research on our part. Mdw0 (talk) 22:35, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Britain and outside 

message: This article is linked to from Wikipedia's Main Page today (7 December 2008), due to the new Golf in Scotland article appearing as the lead item in the Did you know? column. --Mais oui! (talk) 09:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linked from Main page today 

message: :template:Team Sport Where medieval football was placed as one subtype of football type alongwith Gridiron football and rugby.So medieval football was also a subtype ont a geographic-limited terms.--Ksyrie(Talkie talkie) 05:26, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: See the football template

message: The article says Henry VIII banned football in 1548. This is obviously false as he died in 1547. Some sites on the internet claim he banned it in 1540, can anyone verify that year? --Feuerrabe (talk) 21:48, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry VIII 

message: This generic understanding some people hold that “Medieval football” is a catch all term for ball games played around the world that contain aspects which feature in modern football codes is a distortion of History. 
Despite its name this article is substantially about "Mob football" a modern term coined to categorise a group of ball games that come from around the British Isles. These include games such as Hurling (Cornwall ), Cnapan (Wales), The Ba' game (Scotland), La Soule (France), Caid (Ireland),  Campball (England) The Ball game (England) and Football (England). All of these games have medieval histories in their countries of origin. The game called football from which modern football codes games take their name played in medieval England is, by definition, "medieval football". 
The Public school which first applied codes of conduct to football had students from all over the British Isles (including Ireland) who fed their ideas from the ball games played in their regions into the football games being developed at their schools. It is in this collective context that all "Mob football" games can be seen as the forerunners of modern football using the English word "football" as a name for these codified games.  
The idea perpetuated by the likes of FIFA that more technically advanced games such as Cuju from classical antiquity could have somehow morphed into the riotous medieval football or similar mob games is nonsensical. Moreover not a shred of documented evidence from anywhere in the world exists to support this assertion. It is unethical for any encyclopaedia to continue supporting this information known it to be false without correction or explicit explanation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrian Roebuck (talk • contribs) 10:18, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The definition of "Medieval Football"  

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message: Why does the article keep referring to football starting predominantly in England, when it was all across Great Britain? Scotland and Wales had major roles in the development of football, and they are not in England. Infact England, Wales and Scotland did not even exist when football was starting according to this article. Some of the first mentions are in what became Wales, And some of the first mentions of football are in Scotland as mentioned by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_ban_football_games#Scotland. Plus mob football takes places in Orkney in Scotland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottishSusan (talk • contribs) 14:57, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
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message: "...a player was killed as a result of running against an opposing player's dagger. This account is noteworthy because it is the earliest reference to an English ball game that definitely involved kicking:"  That's your takeaway from this incident?  It's not noteworthy as the earliest reference to a game that involved a stabbing? SpinningSpark 11:42, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What was this noteworthy for?