Talk:In Search of Lost Time

message: I added mention of Proust's sexuality, a bit of autobiographical detail I think rather important in light of the mention of homosexuality as a theme.  Particularly where the novel is (rightly) described as semi-autobiographical, it is worth noting that there are major, crucial differences between the narrator and Proust himself, some of which are very revealing about the nature of the text and the author both.  Anyway, again, because both themes of homosexuality and the book's autobiographical tendencies are each mentioned in the article, this deviation is important and noteworthy as far as I'm concerned.  Despite being quite resolved about this, I'm not sure the mention of Proust's being gay belongs where I put it.  Comment?  Assent?  Disagreement?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.137.90.100 (talk) 05:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay Proust 

message: See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_March_16#Category:.C3.80_la_recherche_du_temps_perdu_.28novel.29 for current discussion pertaining to this page and notionally others which might be created. AllyD (talk) 19:40, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category for Deletion 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
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*Oppose. Indeed, very strongly oppose! 'Remembrance' was always an error, and to the best of my knowledge no edition with that title has been published since 1982 except for the various rip-offs of the 1920s public domain translation by CKSM. Even in 1982, James Grieve had started a new and more idiomatic translation under the series title A Search for Lost Time. Eschatologicalguy (talk) 15:10, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Response So you are not challenging the idea that this is the most common name, but that this is a poor translation? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: It wasn't immediately clear to me that the above section was closed, so here is a continuation section if anyone is interested in discussing this further. Cubdriver (talk) 18:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested Move II

message: The novel is full of fairly broad humor about social attitudes and behavior. Shouldn't it be mentioned? Tsinfandel (talk) 12:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure has some satiric edge, Proust did have a good sense of the absurdities of social convention and of the kind of things pride and desire can make us do sometimes. Strausszek (talk) 02:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Broad humor

message: Why does "Swan's Way" redirect here? The long distance path is far more likely to be the object of a search than the English translation of the title of an obscure sub-volume of a French novel. It's not even spelt the same way. treesmill (talk) 01:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "The prominent French novel, on the syllabus of any French literature course at University, is far more likely to be the object of a search than the name of an obscure footpath in Buckinghamshire." (Corrected.)128.118.153.79 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 18:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Swan's Way redirection

message: Why are Archive 1 and Archive 2 the same? treesmill (talk) 01:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Archives

message: The narrator/lead character (who is named as "Marcel" in passing, twice, but late in the work, and this could be an oversight, written in a draft portion) has a good deal in common with Proust, and they share some stations of life and significant people around them. And Proust also, famously, used some of his real-life acquaintances as inspiration/models for people such as Albertine, Charlus, the Guermantes couple and others. But far as I know, very little that happens in the book and which doesn't involve the lead guy directly was nicked from reality. Unlike what people like Truman Capote sometimes imagined, it's not a "roman a clef", it doesn't actually recount specific events in high society Parisian life. It gives an unflattering general picture sometimes, but it doesn't bring out specific juicy stories or even anecdotes that had happened in the real salons and which were being kept off the public or even kept off the ears of most people who entered those places. I think this should be pointed out, because everyone knows the book was inspired by real life people (why don't someone start a Proust wiki online to discuss the characters, their models and the r/l families of these?)but that's not the same as being a kind of "real life novel", and today we're living in an age when "docu-novels" and blurring of the border between facts, gossip and literature are all the rage Strausszek (talk) 13:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the article nowhere characterizes ALRDTP as a roman a clef. Are you referring to the links at the bottom? I have no problem with your removing it. Eschatologicalguy (talk) 20:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  semi-autobiographical vs encrypted "roman a clef" 

message: The link to the article on Telegraph comparing different translations are wrong. Can anyone please correct it?
Prophetoffrivolity (talk) 16:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in Link 

message: Sorry to say this, but calling this a "Semi autobiographical novel" is a complete misunderstanding. Proust's novel is never about himself, nor is it about his life, it is about how the narrator presently remembers his past life. The introducition seems to concentrate on technical or otherwise unintersting details, but never introduces the novel and its originality at the time it was made. I suggest using the introduction written on the French Wikipedia, which does present the novel, and is also quite more interesting. We should rather focus on the novel from a literature and historical view point, and use sources for that. Lerichard (talk) 11:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Semi autobiographical novel" 

message: This should be recounted and explained.  "Proust's Madeleines" have entered popular culture, and they deserve their own section here, or even their own article.  The text we already have says it is "famous" but doesn't say what it is.  Spot (talk) 15:46, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madeleine Episode 

message: I thought this deserved to have a synopsis, so I wrote one.  It is 4400 words; War and Peace has one that's 2900 words, and this novel is three times longer.  So despite the length, I think it's justified, if ever a long section is.  I tried to mention everything getting significant discussion over a number of pages, not just every observation.  Naturally the first and last volumes are a bit longer since they introduce characters and tell their final fates.  I also added some pictures that would make it look better.  Lastly, I added some characters to the list, which was a little sparse.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phantom Connoisseur (talk • contribs) 05:42, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent, a synopsis was sorely lacking indeed! --Morn (talk) 09:38, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synopsis 

message: Prousts work has been the base for monthy pythons' 31st flying circus episode (5th ep in the 3rd season) called "The All-England Summarise Proust Competition", in which, as the title suggests, a competition is held where contestants have 15 seconds to summarize Prousts epic work. The absurd of such an idea is pretty obvious. For a quick view try: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5lPVgTbRQA
--The drinker (talk) 11:02, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop-culture references 

message: only La Berma makes sense to me, but the question is which do translaters prefer. I don't have access to a modern translation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 33gsd (talk • contribs) 21:47, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berma or la Berma? 

message: What does it mean to say that the original novel was published in seven volumes, and then list nine (Cities of the Plain and Guermantes Way, two volumes each?).
:It would be more proper to say that it was published in seven divisions, with the divisions CoP and GW each published in two volumes. The first printing in English was comprised of 11 volumes. One should avoid the Blossom translation of the final volume, and seek out the wonderful Hudson translation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.3.249 (talk) 00:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial Publication: Volume Count 

message: I suggest that there is a case for applying indefinite Semi-protection to this article to stop unhelpful edits by Ips. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:20, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Indefinite [[WP:Semi-protection|Semi-protection]]

message: When this discussion comes around again, just a reminder that Remembrance of Things Past remains well over twice as popular as the unfortunate and cacophonous "Lost Time". We're not here to take sides in academic debates or even to join academics in their distain for the hoi polloi’s failure to master French. (Not that it matters: Google Scholar is even more lopsided against the neologism, preferring Remembrance 4 to 1) We're here to reflect English common usage and this page remains at the wrong place. — LlywelynII 04:30, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: As trivia sections are strongly discouraged on wikipedia, I think this section should restrict itself to truly significant items.  I removed the following on these grounds:--192.76.8.34 (talk) 17:52, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "in popular culture" 

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message: Maybe the most important reading for understanding Proust, among other literary geniuses, is missing here.
I am talking of Rene Girard's "Mensonge Romantique et Verite Romanesque". 
Beickus (talk) 01:16, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography 

message: Around 1970, renowned Italian filmmaker Luchino Visconti was planning to make a film adaptation of parts of the book. The preparations had gone some way, there was a draft script and he had been talking to some actors to get them on board. Notably, he had managed to get the long-retired legend Greta Garbo to accept the role of the exiled Queen of Naples (who lived in Paris after Italy had been united from the north). Unfortunately,. Visconti mentioned this catch to some journalists, it hit the press prematurely and Garbo, a famously shy star, turned around and bowed out. Visconti lost interest in the project soon after, and did Death in Venice instead, but the proposed Proust film is so notable that it merits a line in the article. 192.121.232.253 (talk) 12:39, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, if you  can find a source. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screen adaptations 

message: Would it be okay in the In Search of Lost Time#Synopsis section, where the name of each volume is given (the subsections being named for those volumes) to include somewhere in the text the names of alternate translation titles? I am thinking for example of "Within a Budding Grove" aka "In the Shadow of Young Girls in Flower". Novellasyes (talk) 16:28, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate translation names 

message: This and another edit (both 25 August) were reverted 25 August 2021 with the comment "Thanks but better sources needed." The sources on both edits reference the original material and seem no less adequate than others in the same section of this page.  Please explain how the sources could be "better". Ghartlieb (talk) 21:16, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:   Added reference to S.W.A.T. (2017 TV series)  

message: The novel is best known by its French title (and after that, by the much more common translation of Remembrance of Things Past). The article’s title should be the French title, by which it is best known (and which is… the title of the book). Zanahary (talk) 04:48, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title should be French 

message: See this reverted change: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=In_Search_of_Lost_Time&oldid=prev&diff=1214333598 . The original is very clunky. Would anyone else like to try to clean that part up? Thanks! (pinging Xxanthippe) Holy (talk) 22:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The tag has been removed but the problematic writing remains. (See this change https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=In_Search_of_Lost_Time&diff=1214589346&oldid=1214567519.) What's the fix? Holy (talk) 16:36, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phrasing in [[In_Search_of_Lost_Time#Memory|Memory]] section