Talk:La Cucaracha

message: having the virse with Marijuana que fumar. seems innaproprate.  A better verse would be Una pata para andar. as it is the one more often sung, especially to children.  Also, here is an example of a political version of 'la cucaracha'.
:La dictadura, en Costa Rica,
:Ya no puede medrar.
:Por que le falta, por que no tiene,
:Una vota para apoyar.
:Una cosa, no me de risa,
:Cuando no soy un camisa.
:Ya se van los rebelditos,
:Porque vienen los opresorcitos.
:Poco después de, ustedes vienen,
:Los americanos venir para ayudan.
:Para la ayuda, llegar tarde,
:Y muchas mas moró por que si el.
--1 black hand 17:25, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I'm pretty sure that la cucaracha is a very famous tune for a car horn. Can someone clarify this on my talk page user: swinger222
: It was actually in a Simpsons episode, wasn't it? 70.17.9.57 02:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, where Homer designed a car for his half-brother Herb, which ended up ruining his business.  I don't know how famous it is, but someone in my old neighborhood had one, as I frequently heard him honking it from my apartment.  -- stubblyhead | T/c 20:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been widely used as a car-horn tune in the UK for many years. But since 1986, it can no longer be used legally on a public highway. There are still many manufacturers making them, however, and they can be easily found via Goggle. But this fact is seen as "trivia" by some editors (see below)Martinevans123 (talk) 22:41, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

text: A taco truck that visits the construction site next door each day about 8:30 am has a horn that plays the first 4 bars to announce its arrival. A taco truck is sometimes called a "roach coach". Wastrel Way (talk) 13:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horn 

message: Wouldn't the various lyrics cited that begin with "La cucaracha, la cucaracha" be choruses or refrains rather than verses?  I think they're generally repeated in between verses, and are sung to different music from the verses.  140.147.160.78 15:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verses or chorus 

message: The correct terms in spanish are marihuana or mariguana (both). Marijuana is incorrect. The Real Academia Española dictionary can be consulted:
*Marihuana.
*Mariguana (redirects to marihuana).
*Marijuana, error (doesn't exist).
--RoberPL (talk) 19:08, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And this is an English site. Its the 'j'. Or just say 'weed'. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 04:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marihuana / mariguana / marijuana 

message: "the great Mexican cockroach scare of 1827"
Say what? Google turns up nothing except this page.75.62.109.96 (talk) 13:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The what?

message: I've heard the song has a connection to Empress Carlota and her drug use (marijuana). Anybody else heard this? --Ragemanchoo (talk) 04:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Empress Carlota?

message: Growing up in South Texas, they told me that a "Cucaracha" was slang for a Model T Ford.  This fellow has the same recollection, but for him it was a Model A.
Checking the Yahoo English/Spanish Dictionary: "(coche) jalopy, rattletrap"
The Ford Model T was first produced in 1908 and was common in Mexico during the Revolution.  (The Model A did not come out until 1927.) Pancho Villa was assassinated in 1923 in his Model T. I believe this was the original meaning of the word, but in current use, it refers to an old jalopy of any model: I just called my brother's car a "cucaracha" last week.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Forrest Johnson (talk • contribs) 19:40, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Cucaracha is a Jalopy 

message: I just overhauled the article and provided proper sourcing for it. We still need a source that shows that the patitas version is "the most traditional Spanish version." I'm not sure that it's in its best form right now. the borderless table approach seemed best suited to what I was interested in achieving with the translations, however it leaves some portions of the article looking a but "versey." We should work on adding text between representative verses. Also, if anyone can find a Carrancist Revolutionary verse, i think that would be a valuable addition to the article. The source where I got the Zapatist, Villist, and Huertist verses was clearly anti-Carranza... -Thibbs (talk) 01:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Another quick note, I found a lot of useful information here but by this point I was sick of editing. This like it could be a valuable resource for the future of this article. -Thibbs (talk) 01:54, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rework

message: Is La Cucaracha a Folk Dance?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.191.254.196 (talk) 12:56, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  La Cucaracha Folk Dance

message: The use of this tune as a car horn is extremely widespread. I would imagine there are thousands of people, all over the world, but particularly in the US and UK, who have not the slightest idea that it originates from this Spanish folk corrido. I suspect many of those folk would never have heard the tune at all were it not for its use, or misuse, in that popular medium. To blindly dismiss the connection as "WP:TRIVIA" denies any the opportunity of the realisation of the connection by means of this article. If the sources provided are inadequate, the answer is to find better ones. It's hard to believe that such a basic fact is not allowed a place in this article. As I mentioned in the edit summary, a Google search for "La Cucaracha"+"car horn" gives over 7000 hits. "La Cucaracha"+"motor"+"horn" gives 28,000 hits. I'd suggest editors take a look at Dixie (song) and see what has been included there. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Look I don't have a huge problem with "In popular culture sections" as long as they are reliably sourced. The example you give of Dixie (song) isn't ideal because it is clearly lacking an "In popular culture" section. That's probably a big part of why it's a featured article. I see that it mentions car horn versions of the song Dixie, but that fact is presented in context with the song itself rather than as a random factoid. Furthermore the two sources for that fact come from 1) the Smithsonian Institution, and 2) Middlebury College whereas the three sources used for the car horns playing La Cucaracha had come from 1) hornblasters.com, 2) Random YouTuber Anton Sander, and 3) Random YouTuber kondziu93a. Anyway I don't really care if you restore the section with RSes, but others might well disagree with having the section at all. -Thibbs (talk) 22:11, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "Look", I didn't claim it was ideal, it's just an example of a popular tune used in a similar way. The use of La Cucaracha as a can-horn tune isn't a factoid, it's a fact. If you think it needs better sources you should mark it as such. Not dismiss it out of hand as "trivia". We also have "The tune can be heard on customized car horns" with two references over at Shave and a Haircut. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No you misunderstand. It is trivia per WP:TRIVIA, not per your personal definition. When you have isolated sentences under an "In popular culture" section then that is textbook trivia. It gives the reader zero sense of the significance in relation to the topic. This is an article about a Spanish folk corrido, not about modifying car horns. If the car horn intersection is remotely relevant then you should be able to locate a reliable source that explains the relevance in relation to the song rather than brief mentions that the practice does exist. -Thibbs (talk) 04:35, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

text: ... and then take a look at Greensleeves and see what it has to do with Ice cream vans. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:04, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, it uses actual RSes: The Guardian and The Mirror. We need proper sources at a minimum. -Thibbs (talk) 22:13, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This source, which mentions the tune by name, says "Consequently, car horns that play a tune such as the popular La Cucaracha (Spanish for cockroach) are illegal." . Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

text: Here's The Guardian saying "The word cockroach comes from the Spanish "cucaracha" (remember those car horns that used to play La Cucaracha?).": . They are now, of course, illegal on UK roads. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:20, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are much better than the previous sources. As far as I'm concerned you can restore the "In popular culture" subsection and the carhorn claim with these new sources but other editors still might object since it's so clearly trivia. -Thibbs (talk) 22:29, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's trivia in the slightest. It's a tune. It's used (or was until 1986) as a car-horn tune. Those are just facts. In my own personal experience, the only three popular car horn tunes in the UK have been La Cucaracha, Dixie and Shave and a Haircut. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I agree those are facts. But I maintain that as presented they were trivial facts. Your own personal experience is interesting, but unless you are a reliable source and unless you have published your experiences with these humorous car horns then it's irrelevant to the issue. Like I said, I don't have a strong objection provided that you use actual sources instead of clips of random YouTubers showing off their cars, but let's not paint this as something integral to an understanding of the song. You'll have to furnish much stronger sources if you want to convince me of that. -Thibbs (talk) 04:35, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not trying to convince anyone that knowledge of the use of the tune in a car horn is "integral to an understanding of the song". I'm sure that's not what any "In popular culture" section aims to to. It's more a case of the wider influence a subject has had in everyday life. I'd also disagree that facts can "become trivial" just because of the way they are presented. They may be presented in an article in a more or less integrated way. They may be supported by more or less reliable sources. But they are still undeniable facts. If I were a non-expert reader, coming to this encyclopedia, trying to confirm he name of a tune I had just heard on a car horn, it'd get no help, unless I happened to read this Talk Page. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:52, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: And again, I'm not interested in debating whether the item is a factoid or whether it registers as a full-on fact. Its relevance to the topic of this article is very very small. Based on the way it was presented it is highly likely to be trivia in keeping with the definition of trivia as set out in WP:TRIVIA (isolated sentences under an "In popular culture" section). That's all that matters. Your scenario of a reader coming to the La Cucaracha page in order to discover the name of the tune playing on someone's car horn is exceedingly unlikely. Much more likely would be that he would start at car horn which is perhaps a better home for this factoid (perhaps at Vehicle horn#Horns used as musical instruments). If you're determined to add it here then like I said earlier, my only real concern is that you must use RSes, but I think it's only fair to warn you that others may seek removal under the claim that it is trivia. And then adamantly explaining that it is a real fact won't do any good since all non-vandalism trivia represents real facts. To disprove that it is trivia you will need to locate a reliable source that explains the relevance of the fact in relation to the song. -Thibbs (talk) 11:34, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not determined to do anything. Your suggestion about Car horn seems very senisble, so I will atempt an edit over there. I think we just have different personal opinins about the significance of the use of this tune in a widely available motoring consumer product. Meanwhile the suggestions of other editors are very welcome. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:56, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also got doubts about there being no mention of Looney Tunes, Mexican Boarders etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:19, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Car horns 

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message: Under this section it says "las dospatitas de atrás" means it lost one of its six legs, but shouldn't it be, "Las dos patitas de atrás", which means two hind legs? I believe this is the case, which also means the part that says "The cockroach's uneven, five-legged gait is imitated by the song's original 5/4 meter" isn't true and should also be removed. It has no citation anyway. Bnmguy (talk) 20:59, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Refrain section mistranslation?