Talk:16th Street Baptist Church bombing

message: Given that double jeopardy assures you can't be tried for a crime of which you've already been acquitted, how did they manage to convict Chambliss of the murders in 1977 when he had already been acquitted? Angr/talk 16:33, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's true, he wasn't acquitted previously, and the article should be edited accordingly. Angr/talk 19:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Several references (well, several online accounts) mention an acquittal by an "all-white" jury. I am poking around to try to substantiate whether the initial charges went before a jury. Any help with finding authoritative sources would be welcome. In the meantime I'm being paid to do something else. --Dystopos 19:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chambliss 

message: Did the kkk release any sort of statement after the attacks or did they just lay low and try to stay away from the aftermath of the incident? Dermo69
* Investigations into the string of bombings in Birmingham remained "unsolved" except for Chambliss' 1977 conviction. He was described, at the time, as a "former Klan member," and denied any involvement in the bombing. You can get more context here. --Dystopos 14:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There were many KKK groups - no major organization took responsibility.--Parkwells (talk) 16:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ku klux klan

message: * Information concerning the whereabouts of Addie Mae Collins body.  in 1998, family members were horrified that when they were moving her body to another cemetery, her body was not in the grave.  To this day no one knows where her body is.  Can anyone confirm this?
66.118.236.226 15:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * I vaguely remember this being reported. The Birmingham News' archives to 1993 are searchable through Newsbank (link). --Dystopos 17:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Collins remains

message: We really need some footnoting here WP:CITE. Some of these comments, although quite believable really need to be sourced through a note. The Bull Conner quotes especially. JodyB 16:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: This section has grown into a WP:TRIVIA section, which doesn't really add anything to the article. Some of the works mentioned, such as Joan Baez' and John Coltrane's pieces could be considered more important than others, like the mention in a Drive-By Truckers' song. But still, per the suggestion of the guideline on trivia sections, I'd like to move the important ones into the article text and drop the others. Not sure when I'll get to it, so here's a chance to chime in before I get too bold. --Dystopos 22:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Remembrences

message: I made an infobox out of information in the text. -FlubecaTalk 16:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: I did a project on these girls. One of these girls(denise) is my age. I can't imagine the pain and greif these parents went through. These girls died because of their skin color. That is not a good reason for someone to kill another being. Especially children. They were just begining to become younge ladies. These girls had  bright futures ahead of them.can you imagine what they would be doing to do if they didn't die? I just can't get over this tragedy. Especialy because im related to one of the girls(denise). I wish I could have had the chance to meet her...........  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MzELMO (talk • contribs) 16:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rest their sweet souls 

message: "More than 8,000 mourners, including 3 clergymen of all races, attended the service. No city officials attended."
 
Only 3 of the more than 8,000 mourners were clergy? Hmmm... something about that sentence doesn't sound right. I was going to check, but the reference just leads to a website listing a bunch of other websites. Can someone checks this out and perhaps find a direct source? Thanks. Tad Lincoln (talk) 03:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  only 3 Clergymen? 

message: :The year of 1963 in birmingham the racial turmoil in the deep south during the civil right.                                                                         :Through the spring there were marches and demonstrations  to end legal segregation.                                                                                      
:The movement achievements in settlement with the local business class were overshadowed.                                                                                                                                          By bombing and murder by the  Ku klux klan most notoriously in the death of four girl in the bombing of the sixteenth street baptist church.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.236.150.130 (talk) 00:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The bombing deaths of four girls  

message: :The year of 1963 in birmingham the racial turmoil in the deep south during the civil right.                                                                         :Through the spring there were marches and demonstrations  to end legal segregation.                                                                                      
:The movement achievements in settlement with the local business class were overshadowed.                                                                                                                                          By bombing and murder by the  Ku klux klan most notoriously in the death of four girl in the bombing of the sixteenth street baptist church.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.236.150.130 (talk) 00:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The bombing deaths of four girls  of JERRILL WOODY  

message: The link to "Naverly Church Bombing" should be taken out, what does a bombing of a church in sri lanka have to do with the African American civil rights movement? should we just include every article about a church bombing in the "see also" section as well, and heck why not every attack on a mosque or synagogue or hindu temple? 99.231.211.103 (talk) 05:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "See Also" section

message: Was his name ever in the article along with Cagle?  They were arrested in connection to the bombing.  One was a paid informant who got involved with the crime.  One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest had a recreated news report in it about Hall's arrest and I was trying to verify the dates and details.  I found this:   Alatari (talk) 13:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Wesley Hall 

message: looking through previous revisions reveals this article is a target for vandals. i restored the lead paragraph from a previous revision, but it seems the list of victims has been removed. does anyone know if there is a reason for this? imo, the section should be restored, along with the "findagrave" templates (). Badmachine (talk) 07:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  victims section removed 

message: This article says Chambliss was found not guilty of murder for the bombing in 1968. Then he was re-tried for the same crime in 1977 (which raises questions of double jeopardy). In contrast, the page for Robert Edward Chambliss says that there was no trial in 68 (which would resolve the question). - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 19:10, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there is no source on the information, and it contradicts another article, I dropped it. I just found a source for federal charges, so I bet there is room to improvement here. --Brandizzi (talk) 17:16, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chambliss tried or not tried in '68? 

message: The girls' ages were not correct and I updated them with a source. Another user then  reverted my good faith edit because they feel that "history is better than reporting." That's nonsensical. Their ages and real histories matter. Documentation of the facts of the past comprises history. So does contesting them, but with other documentation--and in this case, I have never seen any suggestion that their reported birth years were wrong.2602:306:3774:E8C0:F971:F876:BD5C:B128 (talk) 06:44, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Contemporary reporting of any event is more likely to contain errors, as the UPI article did concerning the girls' ages. They were 11 and 14. See here, here, or here for examples. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 13:24, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Girls' ages 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This sentence appears under the "funeral"section: At the time of the funerals, two of those critically injured in the bombing were still hospitalized, as was a 16-year-old white teenager named Dennis Robertson, who had been hit on the head with a brick thrown by a black youth as Robertson cycled home from his job.[47][55]
It's unclear what relevance that has to the church bombing. There were undoubtedly numerous people hospitalized at the time of the funerals. What does this one have to do with the story? Emmieleigh (talk) 01:38, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: *  I think, if you actually read the references supporting the text, (the Time one especially), you'll read why Dennis Robertson's at the time potentially fatal injury was a major motivation as to why Farley and Sims shot Virgil Ware to death. Maybe a little more clarification would suffice?--Kieronoldham (talk) 02:38, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: * Unless we have a published source that states that connection, then it's original research. In any case, it's not relevant to this article. If such a source is found, it would be cited, perhaps, in a Shooting of Virgil Ware entry. --Dystopos (talk) 18:29, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

text: ** "Unless we have a published source that states that connection?" Did you read/verify the content of my previous reply, ? If not, then I can only assume you are attempting a surreptitious desire to divert away from the content because you would rather see it removed. To reinsert the aforementioned TIME link (now here in the talk) hearkening to those two youths' mindset (and to a degree motivation) at the time of the shooting, given Robertson's grave injury, it's here. Regards.--Kieronoldham (talk) 01:29, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

text: ***The overall article includes repeated content referring to Ware and Robinson in addition to the actual bombing (basically the whole day's events reactions and counter-reactions and the inspiration and legacy left to all). Maybe blending the content to a degree into the text, using that reference, would be more appropriate though? Best regards,--Kieronoldham (talk) 01:37, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: * Wouldn't it make more sense to use the TIME article, "The Legacy of Virgil Ware", as a source for an article about Virgil Ware's murder, rather than this article about the church bombing? Padgett & Sikora describe Ware's death as "an obscure, salt-in-the-wound footnote to the Sixteenth Street Church bombing." Dennis Robertson's injury, itself a footnote relating to the immediate motives of Ware's killers, is even less relevant. Maybe there's a way to make it fit, but the language I removed from the article did not fit. --Dystopos (talk) 14:46, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: ** I've inserted a little more on the general outbreak of violence in the downtown area, and cited the TIME article as a reference for those reading up on that detail. There are probably better (more contemporary or authoritative) references, perhaps Sikora's book, but I don't have any in front of me. --Dystopos (talk) 15:13, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: *** Aye, well morphed chronologically and contextually into the article. Thanks.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:12, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of Dennis Robertson to main article?  

message: "At the time of the funerals, two of those critically injured in the bombing were still hospitalized, as was a 16-year-old white teenager named Dennis Robertson, who had been hit on the head with a brick thrown by a black youth as Robertson cycled home from his job" - I can understand why two people are mentioned due to their relation to the bombing (even if there are no names, and it doesn't really seem to belong in the FUNERAL section), but why is another person who wasn't injured in the bombing mentioned here? Seems very whataboutism to me, and an attempt to derail the article. 69.145.67.34 (talk) 17:22, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funeral section 

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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:16th Street Baptist Church bombing]] 

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Literature Across Cultures I Analysis

message: In the non-fiction books section there's an entry for "The Past on Trial: The Sixteenth Street Baptist Church Bombing, Civil Rights Memory, and the Remaking of Birmingham." After a lot of googling, I discovered that the ISBN leads nowhere, and that the title refers to a dissertation. 
To cut down on confusion, maybe this entry could be rewritten or moved to make it a little more clear that it isn't a book. I'm not sure of the protocol for that. Oliananyx (talk) 03:40, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  ISBN that leads nowhere... 

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Fire Semester 3