Talk:Francis Hughes

message: There is no Francis Hughes Street in Boston. Never was. The writer may have gotten confused with the renaming of the street in front of the British Embassy in Tehran as Bobby Sands Street.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.165.100 (talk) 09:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Francis Hughes Street

message: Any authority for the statement that he was convicted of other murders besides that of the SAS soldier? PatGallacher 14:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: top

message: Tim Collins book gives a long and graphic detail of his arrest. It is the probably th most accurate account. In it Hughes limps away after been shot with the aid of a colleague, after about 1 mile he was unable to continue and hid in a ditch and was discovered the following morning. There is no suggestion of mistreatment. I am going to change the word 'cralwed' as it is not accurate
Tommyxx (talk) 09:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Arrest

message: The article is not correct. There was no ambush by either side. Hughes and a fellow IRA man stumbled across the SAS men in a field. The IRA men were wearing army uniforms with 'ireland' written on the shoulders, the SAS thought they were UDR British troops and called out. The IRA men took a step back and opened fire. The SAS managed to return fire 'wildly' and Hughes got hit but his colleague was not. They walked away for about 1 mile. Hughes was discovere the next day, apparently he was hidden in deep gorse and his position was passed many times before a dog kept barking. There was no mistretment. He gave a false name but the arresting policeman guessed correctly who he was. My details here come from Tim Collins book on the Hunger Strikes 1981.  Tommyxx (talk) 09:55, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: When Hughes was on hunger strike I recall reading in many Irish papers that he planted a booby-trap bomb under the car of William Gordon, a part-time UDR soldier. It detonated as he drove his kids to school. Gordon was killed in the blast along with his 10-year-old daughter, Lesley who was decapitated. The son survived, although badly-injured. Why is this info not in the article?--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:09, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: William Gordon killing

message: Substituted at 15:27, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: "I have no prouder boast than to say I am Irish and have been privileged to fight for the Irish people and for Ireland. If I have a duty I will perform it to the full with the unshakable belief that we are a noble race and that chains and bounds have no part in us." The most famous and well-known quote from Francis. Any objection to its implementation?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Banba (talk • contribs) 15:05, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: From the fact it was reverted means yes it is objected to, mainly on the grounds of bias, POV and relevance. Also it is an unsubstantiated claim that it is his "most famous" and "well-known" quote. Reliable sourced evidence of this? And an Phoblacht is not a reliable or unbiased source. Maybe if a suitable quote counter balancing this one can be provided then we can move forward. Mabuska (talk) 18:32, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Even some of the world's best known thinkers and people often quoted don't generally have their famous quotations in their articles. No reason someone who is not world renowned for their quotes to have them, especially when it's not supporting a specific point. Canterbury Tail talk 19:02, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotation

message: Since he was in the IRA, I think he would refer to his home county as Derry. As an Irish person, I call it Derry and he would as well. I feel as though it is a disgrace to his memory to refer to it in the way that the English do. Mmcgroary (talk) 17:10, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There has never officially been a county called County Derry, it was created as County Londonderry. On Wikipedia we refer to it as the official name of the county. This is a location in Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom and they get to name it. For community consensus see WP:DERRY. Canterbury Tail talk 21:48, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derry not Londonderry 

message: Change "Londonderry" to Derry. 87.232.160.220 (talk) 21:00, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll need to get consensus for that change before requesting the edit, as it's bound to be contentious. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:24, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: No as per WP:DERRY. You'll need to overturn the Wikipedia consensus on county naming, and since the county was created as County Londonderry with no County Derry before it, and County Derry is a purely colloquial name, it's unlikely that it'll be changed. But you're more than open to try and form a new consensus. Canterbury Tail talk 22:15, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2021 

message: SAS soldier killed in arrest of Francis Hughes is FALSE ! Only 2 SAS soldiers were killed in Northern Ireland - Richard Westmacott in 1981 and Alister Slater in 1984 . Eamonn de valera (talk) 08:06, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:29, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Depending on what book you read, Jones is variously described as SAS, in the Parachute Regiment, or both. The latter being that he was seconded to the SAS from the Parachute Regiment. I think including the secondment would cover all the bases, but thought it best to mention here first before making the edit. FDW777 (talk) 15:05, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2021 

message: Change Londonderry to Derry/Londonderry. This is fair for both sides of the troubles as it is recognised by the Irish peoples as Derry and recognised by Great Britain as Londonderry. Google maps and google earth recognise this sensitive topic and they use the 'Derry/Londonderry' term. This should be enough of a consensus to make the change. It is quite hurtful for some people to see that Francis Hughes was from Londonderry. Greenscreen01 (talk) 12:28, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. See above, and WP:DERRY ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:30, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

text: You can just discuss it in this section. Although while under discussion an waiting for additional user input the edit request should remain closed..... ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:54, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This would be an encyclopaedia level change, and an individual article discussion cannot override consensus on a broader level. I see you've already found the appropriate talk page to open the discussion, and that's the correct place for it. Canterbury Tail talk 14:04, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change Londonderry to Derry/Londonderry 

message: from Bellaghy, County Londonderry, Northern Ireland. Please change Londonderry to Derry as while the city name is disputed, the county is undisputedly Derry. 64.43.133.52 (talk) 22:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. See discussion above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:15, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2021 

message: This man gave his life for freedom and you have it noted he came from “London Derry” out of respect this should be changed. 2A00:23C8:A085:BC01:D085:CC90:7711:C925 (talk) 17:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derry