Talk:Marcos Pontes

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Pontes' flight coincides with celebrations of the 100th anniversary of Brazilian aviation pioneer Alberto Santos-Dumont's successful flight of an airplane in Paris, in October of 1906, which is considered the first flight of a machine heavier than air.
is definitely up for debate, and I think that debate belongs in the Santos Dumont or Wright Bros. articles, not here.  Previously someone edited it to say "considered by Brazilians", but someone else reverted it.  I think it should say "considered by some" or "considered by many".  It is definitely not universally accepted as the first heavier than air flight.  Aranhamo 23:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to suggest the mention of Santos-Dumont be worded: "...which was the first public flight in Europe by a heavier-than-air machine and is regarded by many Brazilians as the first airplane flight anywhere."  Such wording gives proper credit to Santos for the undisputed fact of Europe's first publicly witnessed airplane flight while retaining mention of the much more controversial idea of "first" in the world. DonFB 04:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The scope of this article is not really to add to the controversy between Dumont and the Wright brothers.  This is or should be elaborated on our entries on them, and I do believe that we have an entire separate article dedicated to this controversy.  As far as this article is concerned, there was the official designation of this mission relating to the centennial of Dumont's maiden flight.  Yes, we might tweak the wording to factor in the fact that the status of this flight is not undisputed worldwide, but the wording you suggested goes in the extreme opposite direction, by removing any scientific importance from the flight (calling it a first public flight in Europe) as well as the broader recognition that it does have -- by the mention that "many Brazilians" regard it as the first heavier-than-air flight, which would transmit the subliminal message that noone else does, since the Wright brothers [would be] the true pioneers.  I'm not saying that Dumont was the true inventor, and not the Wright brothers; this was a simple assessment of the text suggested.  It doesn't work, not only because of what it implies, but also because it gives too much relevance to something that needn't be discussed in depth in this article.  Regards,  Redux 07:05, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Santos Dumont 

message: I am not sure about calling Marcos a Cosmonaut, just because he flew with the Soyuz. So, would flying with the Soyuz make an american Astronaut a cosmonaut?
Nevertheless, the Brazilian media and Space Agency reffers to Marcos as an ASTRONAUT. --Pinnecco 23:15, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed we should use "astronaut", per the naming used by the Brazilian Space Agency and ordinarily by the media, as well as the fact that he was admitted originally into the US space program, being, in fact, declared officially a "NASA astronaut".  Having been launched on a Russian shuttle is not sufficient to alter this condition, or else, as Pinnecco said, all of the US astronauts that have been launched by the Russians since the Space Bus program was haulted for safety reasons would have been "renamed" as well -- but they weren't, for the reasons explained.  Redux 04:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone changed Ponte's profile to Cosmonaut again, without even considering this discussion. I reverted it back to Astronaut. Do we need to protect this page or what? --Pinnecco 01:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First step would be to let that person know of this discussion.  It may be a newbie who is unaware or just unaccostumed to visiting the talk page before implementing changes.  If s/he does not respond to requests to make his case here first and continues to change the article without discussion, and this is assuming that we are talking about a single person, then this specific account or IP may be blocked temporarily for disruption to make a point or just plain simple silly vandalism ("silly vandalism" is a definition, not an adjective applied to "vandalism").  Redux 02:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text:  That was a mistake. I was just going through :Category:Out-of-date Astronaut Infoboxes and carrying out updates based on the missions that they had flown. There were over 400, so I did not have time to view each case individually. Please remember to WP:AGF, if you had taken a look at my Contributions, you would have seen this was the case. I am insulted by your allegations. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 09:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good.  All settled then.  However, notice that my comment above, and my posting in your talk page thereafter were precisely a token of good faith.  I suppose I should urge you to also assume good faith when given a fair "heads up".  Cheers,  Redux 19:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I appologise as well --Pinnecco 21:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: OK. I've carried out the fix that I was trying to do before, but I have ensured that it still says "Astronaut". --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 13:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Astronaut / Cosmonaut 

message: I found this page by way of Typo Team moss.  I tried to clean up a bit, but there is more that can be done.  First, I made some decisions that others more familiar with the subject may want to change.
I don't know what "extinct" referred to in the "Early life" section.  I'd assume it either meant that his father and mother are now deceased (which doesn't seem necessary to say), or the agencies that they worked for are no longer in existence.  Again, probably not important.
I deleted the phrase that mentions his childhood dream of becoming an astronaut.  I don't think it belongs in the middle of his education.  I might have put it back in the "Early life" section, but I didn't have a strong enough reason.
The "Future plans" section, which was tagged in 2017 as not being sourced, seems, well, unsourced, and unnecessary.  Still, I fixed the typo but left this section in. Jkgree (talk) 19:45, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , as far I know, the desire of a second flight are true (I will try to find the source) and, as we see here, he tried to be elected as Deputado federal during the 2014 São Paulo gubernatorial election, but he lost. Now he's a Minister of Science and Tech here in Brazil. Erick Soares3 (talk) 22:25, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I did some imperfect translation from the Portuguese article about his political activities (was about that the citation about the book Missão Cumprida). I wonder if worth to translate the article about the Missão Centenário... Erick Soares3 (talk) 22:56, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits of 23 April 2019 

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