Talk:Franz Joseph I of Austria

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: no consensus, see also WP:TRAINWRECK.   Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason why is because the ordinal is in official use. See No. 4 in WP:SOVEREIGN. Interstellarity (talk) 15:32, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Merriam-Webster says "Francis Joseph I," while Oxford and Britannica say "Franz Joseph." Columbia says "Francis Joseph or Franz Joseph." Allan Rice (talk) 00:08, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: He used the number himself. On his coins he was  or . Opera hat (talk) 10:20, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

text: The last Russian emperor is the primary topic over the eleventh-century pope. Opera hat (talk) 10:20, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There are other names of Nicholas II, but not this primary article about the last Emperor of Russia. --ZmeytheDragon16 (talk) 11:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

text: It's not ambiguous: no other country has had fourteen kings called Charles. Opera hat (talk) 10:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There are sixteen kings named Charles of Sweden for example, Charles X Gustav of Sweden, which is using byline "of Sweden". --ZmeytheDragon16 (talk) 11:11, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 7 June 2020 

message: *OpposeI didn't vote on Elizabeth, but was rather dubious about that although it was effectively unambiguous in English.  These rulers of non-Anglophone lands certainly need the extra clarity. Johnbod (talk) 15:05, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason why is because the ordinal is in official use. See No. 4 in WP:SOVEREIGN. Interstellarity (talk) 15:32, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Merriam-Webster says "Francis Joseph I," while Oxford and Britannica say "Franz Joseph." Columbia says "Francis Joseph or Franz Joseph." Allan Rice (talk) 00:08, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: He used the number himself. On his coins he was  or . Opera hat (talk) 10:20, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

text: The last Russian emperor is the primary topic over the eleventh-century pope. Opera hat (talk) 10:20, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There are other names of Nicholas II, but not this primary article about the last Emperor of Russia. --ZmeytheDragon16 (talk) 11:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

text: It's not ambiguous: no other country has had fourteen kings called Charles. Opera hat (talk) 10:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There are sixteen kings named Charles of Sweden for example, Charles X Gustav of Sweden, which is using byline "of Sweden". --ZmeytheDragon16 (talk) 11:11, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I removed this passage from the article on Franz Joseph I of Austria:
Franz Joseph's German identity was made explicitly clear during a meeting in August 1908 between himself and Edward VII when the latter tried to persuade him to abandon Austria-Hungary's alliance with Germany for co-operation with Britain; Franz Joseph replied that he was a "loyal ally" and said "I am a German prince."
The reason for this I can justify with the German Wikiquote:
    Fälschlich zugeschrieben:
    "Sir, ich bin ein deutscher Fürst." - angeblich am 12. August 1908 in Ischl zu Eduard VII. von England, als dieser ihn von seinem Bündnis mit dem Deutschen Reich abbringen wollte, z. B. in: Walter Wiltschegg: Österreich, der "zweite deutsche Staat"?: der nationale Gedanke in der Ersten Republik, Stocker, 1992, S. 41.
    Das Zitat wurde in dieser Schreibweise schon am 16. Juli 1907 im Reichsrat verwendet mit einem sehr vagen Hinweis auf den Ursprung. Q: Stenographische Protokolle - Abgeordnetenhaus - Sitzungsprotokolle. Haus der Abgeordneten - 14. Sitzung der XVIII. Session am 16. Juli 1907, S. 1337 (alex.onb.ac.at)
    In der Schreibweise „Sire, ich bin ein deutscher Fürst“ mit direktem Hinweis auf Franz Joseph („ein noch lebender österreichischer Kaiser“), aber ohne Hinweis auf ein Ereignis, kommt das Zitat in Zusammenhang mit Engagements der Kaiserfamilie in nicht-deutschen Teilen der Monarchie in einem Artikel des „Deutschen Nordmährerblattes“ vor, der konfisziert wurde und deshalb in einer parlamentarischen Anfrage an den Justizminister wiedergegeben wird. Q: Stenographische Protokolle - Abgeordnetenhaus - Sitzungsprotokolle, Haus der Abgeordneten, 331. Sitzung der XVII. Session am 12. Mai 1905, S. 29465 (alex.onb.ac.at)''
Translation:
    Falsely attributed:
    "Sir, I am a German prince." - allegedly on 12th of August 1908 in Ischl to Edward VII of England when the latter tried to dissuade him from his alliance with the German Empire, e.g. in: Walter Wiltschegg: Österreich, der "zweite deutsche Staat"?: der nationale Gedanke in der Ersten Republik, Stocker, 1992, p. 41.
    A very vague reference to its origin can be traced back to the use of an identical quote in the Reichsrat on 16th of July 1907. Source: Stenographische Protokolle - Abgeordnetenhaus - Sitzungsprotokolle. Haus der Abgeordneten - 14. Sitzung der XVIII. Session am 16. Juli 1907, S. 1337 (alex.onb.ac.at)
   In the spelling "Sire, I am a German prince" with direct reference to Franz Joseph ("a still living Austrian emperor"), but without a reference to its context, the quotation is connected with the the imperial family's engagements in non-German parts of the monarchy in an article from the "Deutsches Nordmährerblatt" which was confiscated and consequently reproduced in a parliamentary inquiry to the Minister of Justice at the time.  Source: Stenographische Protokolle - Abgeordnetenhaus - Sitzungsprotokolle, Haus der Abgeordneten, 331. Sitzung der XVII. Session am 12. Mai 1905, S. 29465 (alex.onb.ac.at)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brat Forelli (talk • contribs) 14:04, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misattributed quote 

message: I'm really confused right now in history book it's said 1914 meanwhile in wiki say 1916 2001:448A:1150:2016:A525:3426:14F6:20CE (talk) 15:47, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I expect you're thinking of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria. Good luck with those exams! Johnbod (talk) 17:32, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wait isn't franz josep die at 1914?