Talk:Battle of Kiev (1943)

message: The sources for this article is a computer game! Andries 18:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not necessarily bad. :-)  But I guess something needs to be done. Andreas 20:17, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The source computer games is "Fire Brigade, Battle for Kiev" by Panther Games. The whole article has been copied word for word from the back of the manual. Is this plagarism?194.75.129.200 23:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: God yes, not only is in a unacceptable source but if the above is true it is a copyright violation, can you confirm this? SGGH speak! 19:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: I see no reason to consider this battle as decisive. Please, I do not wish revert war. We can sort this out with civilized discussion. Kurt.
::I have outlined the result in more detail instead of "soviet victory" which shoudl suffice until concensus is built up (if it needs to be). SGGH speak! 19:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems fairly decisive to me. The Red Army achieved their main objective of taking Kiev, and were never driven out again. The only thing that might argue against this is if the Germans inflicted crippling casualties while taking few themselves, but this didn't happen either. In fact, the article itself mentions that casualties were heavy on both sides, albeit slightly heavier for the Soviets. But you would expect that for the attacking side. -- Hongooi 15:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, the Soviets were able to resume their offensive just a few days afterwards. That would suggest their casualties, although heavy, weren't enough to delay their plans substantially. Maybe the Germans did manage to avert a truly catastrophic defeat by retaking Zhitomir, but that hardly makes up for losing Kiev. -- Hongooi 15:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The victory

message: Any ideas on the casualties on both side? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Counterstrike69 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.czechpatriots.com/csmu/bri-combats.php has casualties for czech only. Not sure about how accurate the facts are though. Uberlieder (talk) 23:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The above-mentioned Soviet losses are for the period from 3.11 to 22.12 only. Krivosheev doesn't have numbers for all operations in October, but he has Lutezh offensive operation (1.10-2.11), with 24 422 irrecoverable and 60 642 sanitary losses, as well as Bukrin offensive operation (12-24.10), with 6498 irrecoverable and 21 440 sanitary. Adding all those numbers together produces Soviet losses at over 231 044 (because the Chernobyl operations are not included). Barmaglyak (talk) 21:54, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: casualties

message: Ensured that the article is within project scope, tagged for task forces, and assessed for class. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008]]

message: I was looking at the map (Reference 2), having read the article and soon realised something was not right. The map seems to show the German positions to the EAST of the Russians. So, I then looked for a north arrow - couldn't find one; maybe the Germans were surrounded - if so there was no mention in the article. There is something not pukka here, what's going on? RASAM (talk) 19:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Map

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message: The numbers of participants in the infobox are way too low. Krivosheev, our source for Soviet casualties, claims that at the beginning of the Kiev offensive, at Nov 3, the Soviet forces numbered 671 000, while at the beginning of the Kiev defensive operation, at Nov 13, the Soviet forces numbered 730 000. Barmaglyak (talk) 18:24, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
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message: I've seen this phrase a few times in articles about the Eastern Front. In this case: "Both sides were exhausted by late December and the battle for Kiev was over." Really? Two days after the listed end of the battle, the Dnieper-Carpathian Offensive was launched. That doesn't sound like the Soviets were exhausted at all. -- Hongooi (talk) 18:50, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Both sides were exhausted"