Talk:Mahound

message: If you have a problem with this page, please notify me so that we can discuss.  The material for this page already exists on Wikipedia in another place, and I believe it is more appropriate within the category :Category:Pejorative terms for people  --BostonMA talk 20:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This whole question is extremely confusing, even though some great writers are being used as sources. One thing that is certain is that in the mediaeval period spellings and transliterations were extremely fluid. That's why it is natural for there to be many spellings for the name of the Prophet (Muhammad, Mahommed, Mahomet etc.) in English. "Mahound" seems to be regarded as pejorative because it includes the word "hound", i.e. a dog, an animal regarded as unclean in Islam. But how can this be sourced to Dante, when Dante wrote in Italian, where the word "hound" would not be recognised? Even the combination "hound" is not a natural one in Italian. And Shakespeare - well, we know how unreliable his spelling was. Redvers, you mentioned an acquaintance of yours from the North of England. Do you know where he or his family came from before that? It might shed some light on how this transliteration or version came to be widespread. Itsmejudith 15:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Bernard Lewis says that Dante refered to Muhammad as Mahound if I am not mistaken.  will research it. Meanwhile here is the quote from Lewis:
Beginning as a kind of demon or false god worshipped with Apollyon and Termagant
in an unholy trinity, the medieval Mahound developed in the West into an arch heretic whom Dante consigned to a not undistinguished place in Hell as a 'Seminator di scandalo e di scisma;, and finally, after Reformation, into a cunning and self-seeking imposter, One legend, widespread in the medieval West, even described Muhammad as an ambitious and frustrated Roman cardinal, who, having failed to obtain election as pope, sought an alternative career as a false prophet. The last traces of Western theological prejudice may still be discerned in the work of some modern scholars, lurking behind the serrated footnotes of the academic apparatus. 
--Aminz 07:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmmm, but according to this online version, Dante used the spelling Mäometto. --Iustinus 08:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please do not delete this page while I am writing it. 

message: Review of "The Satanic Verses" in the New York Times. A proper scholarly reference but it doesn't clarify much. Note that there are other related mediaeval spellings quotes (all I think from England) and that none of the others incorporate the full "hound", therefore would not imply "dog", but seem to be just a shortening of the Prophet's real name. Itsmejudith 16:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A further reference 

message: We know that this name was used in at least two English medieval mystery plays, with highly pejorative connotations. This may have come through into Shakespeare, it depends on looking at the original versions to see the spelling. Not Dante. Rushdie used it in the Satanic verses. It is used sometimes as a name today, probably not very often. Does that sum it up? If it does, let's follow Aminz' suggestion and create the other article and put a shortened version of this text in it. Itsmejudith 18:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that is fairly accurate.  The name was also used in The Song of Roland.  --BostonMA talk 19:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It is also used in s:Lepanto by G.K. Chesterton. Tom Harrison Talk 19:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sticking to facts 

message: Guys, I hate to be a sour puss, but I think we're having trouble writing on the subject. Maybe we should just reduce it down a a few sentences and send it over to wiktionary. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 16:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's OK to be sour.  I think most editors are too busy at the moment to work on this article.  However, even as a stub I think it is useful.  Sincerely, --BostonMA talk 17:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: A good start would be using full citations... for a prolific publisher like Esposito "John Esposito (1999) p.250" is not fully helpful... a book title would be nice, publishing house, city, etc. Unless other users can easily find your source it's unreferenced. gren グレン 21:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Me=sour puss 

message: According to Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary (1985), "Mahound" is also a Scottish word for the Devil.  — Quin 21:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish for the [[Devil]] 

message: I've removed this Later, the name is used by William Shakespeare in his comedy As You Like It., as there's been no citation, and it seems to be false. I've looked at a Shakespeare concordance, and find no use of "Mahound" in any of the plays (and I see no use of it on skimming As You Like It). The closest we seem to get is "Was Mahomet inspired with a dove?" (Henry VI, Part I, Act I, scene 2, line 339). - Nunh-huh 14:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in King Lear, but with a differing spelling: "Modo he's call'd, and Mahu." Equinox ◑ 04:07, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shakespeare 

message: Purely from a nuetral Wikipedia USER point of view (a random sample of one person).  I became interested in this name whilst reading Satanic verses, and so searched for this page.  I've seen this word come up in two books now, and hoped it would be here - it seems like the right place for it (Why put it in Wiktionary?  It's a proper name and the article is more than a definition).  It's a useful article giving historical context, and something I would hope and expect to see in an Encyclopaedia. Michaelmcandrew 12:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I found it useful

message: Isn't this a a common anglicization for a variant of Muhammad? Possibly west Africa but i can't remember for sure.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ConArtis (talk • contribs) 05:00, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Given name 

message: I don't understand why have you added that edit back. Basically there is no mention of any Mahound in that section. Even though Mahmad is mentioned in it it has nothing to do with Mahound actually. KahnJohn27 (talk) 14:21, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: KahnJohn27 It is basically related with those same definitions that are added above about Muhammad and it's various mentions. Bladesmulti (talk) 14:23, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mahound]] 

message: It is interesting, this reminds me of this hadith:
:Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Doesn't it astonish you how Allah protects me from the Quraish's abusing and cursing? They abuse Mudhammam and curse Mudhammam while I am Muhammad (and not Mudhammam).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.230.184.59 (talk) 03:09, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mudhammam 

message: This is from the article:
The perception that Muslims worshipped Muhammad was common in the Middle Ages. According to Bernard Lewis, the "development of the concept of Mahound started with considering Muhammad as a kind of demon or false god worshipped with Apollyon and Termagant in an unholy trinity in The Song of Roland. Finally, after the Reformation, Muhammad was seen as a cunning and self-seeking imposter." Reference [5].
The Reference provided here, "Bernard Lewis (2002) p 45" seems to be incomplete or wrong. I checked Bernard Lewis book published in 2002, What Went Wrong, and I could not find the above quote on page 45 or anywhere in the book. I request a correction of the Reference. GugahDad (talk) 00:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mahound