Talk:Force play

message: Great photo, but technically, a play on the batter at first base isn't a force play.  Is there a photo anyone has/knows about of a force play at second base?  --Locarno 13:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it technically IS a force play, although nobody calls it that, but I agree: good photo, terrible example. WHPratt (talk) 14:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not, by the definition in rules 2.00, a force play. A force play is a play in which a runner legally loses his right to occupy a base by reason of the batter becoming a runner. Saros136 (talk) 05:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: First base photo

message: When was the force play rule introduced into baseball?
::(Probably five minutes into the first game when a batter reached first and a runner who feared he couldn't get down to second came back there.  One of them had to vacate the bag, and the batter couldn't very well go back home.  So the other guy was "forced" to take off! ;) WHPratt (talk) 15:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nonsense. Before the force rule was added, in that situation neither runner at 1st base had to vacate the base. (The defense would of course be able to tag one of them out if both of them stay on the base, since another rule allows a runner to be tagged out when two runners are on the same base.) SEppley (talk) 02:46, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: History of the rule?

message: Two outs, runner on second or third either one.  The batter his a ball through the infield into right field.  The right fielder fields the ball and throws the runner out at first however the base runner scored prior to the out being recorded. Does the run count?  Is that considered a forced out at first?  Can someone provide me with the specific rule on whether or not that is considered a forced out.  I have heard two different answers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.169.97.50 (talk) 21:56, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just an occasional amateur player and by no means an expert on the laws of the game, but I think the run would not count by virtue of rule 4.09(a)(1) of the official MLB rules. SchnitteUK (talk) 09:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Correct, the run does not count if the third out is the batter (or any forced runner) failing to advance safely to the next base. Note that it's not actually necessary for the defense to make a play. For example, suppose it's the bottom of the ninth inning, tie score, two out, runner at third base. The batter hits the ball fairly over the outfield fence, thinks the runner from third base scored the winning run and thinks the game is over. Before reaching first base, the batter goes back to home plate to congratulate the "winning" runner, and then they walk off into the dugout. In this case, the batter is called out for abandoning the base paths and the run does not count, even though the defense made no play. Or, suppose the batter has a heart attack before reaching first base; same result: no run scored. SEppley (talk) 03:37, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forced out? 

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message: #No run can be scored during the same continuous playing action as a force out for the third out, even if a runner reaches home plate before the third out is recorded. Why is that so? There's a reasoning behing the Infield Fly rule and the details of the Uncaught Third Strike rule, but what's the purpose of this "no run in a force third out play" rule?
#For example, suppose there are runners on first and third with one out. The batter hits a ground ball to the second baseman. The second baseman, seeing the bumper-carred runner on first heading his way, retrieves the ball and steps on second to get him out on the force out for the second out of the inning. If the runner on third had meanwhile run home and touched home plate, his run would count. What if the second baseman throws to first base in the same play and the batter-runner is out on force play as well? Would the run from the baserunner on third still count? As far as I understand the rule it doesn't matter how many outs were recorded at the time-of-pitch, or does it?--31.16.64.47 (talk) 01:53, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: In the event of an active double play, the run would not count, as they're both forced out. It's because they're forced to run, the runner attempting to score is no longer in a forced situation after rounding third. so  they are running by choice, the initial play of the ball being hit is still active either until the two forced runners reach base or are put out. The run doesn't count because it is as if there were already 3 outs because one of the forced runners must be safe. However, if the batter reaches firstbase, 2nd runner is out and the third scores and then the first steps off his base and is tagged, then the run counts. Persistent Corvid (talk) 03:17, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two questions!