Talk:Indigenous peoples of the Russian North

message: It finally dawned on me that this list originally was taken from an old Encyclopedia. I added some more names, and it turned out that both obsolete and new names become listed independently. Someone who knows better must figure this out and do better. :-) Mikkalai 06:25, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: I deleted these from the list. Please provide an external source of the information. These articles were added by an nonymous contributor and apparently have no context anywhere in the internet.  Wikipedia may keep only verifiable data, so a book reference is definitely required here. Mikkalai 22:15, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Gurgty]], [[Malaty]], [[Otloy]], [[Chinyik]] 

message: I wasn't sure where to put a couple of peoples who are not "northern", so I put them under "Other", because there's no article Indigenous peoples of Russia. KNewman 03:38, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
:"North" is a political and administrative category, it does not always correspond with geographic reality. Anyways, the title of this article is a short version of "коренные, малочисленные народы Севера, Сибири и Дальнего Востока РФ", which is again an administrative category. The core problem behind this confusion is the specific Russian definition of "Indigenousness", which would include three criteria, those of
:*Being no more than 50.000 people;
:*being engaged in traditional economic occupations; as well as
:*living in a region with is characterised by its extreme remoteness and harsh climate conditions
:The latter is what is referred to as "the North" ("Sever") in Russia, this is not confined to the geographic North. Southern Siberia and Russia's Far East are also included. Hence the name of this article.
:(The Russian definition of "indigenous" is very much unique and is not in line with the international de-facto standard which is the Cobo definition, however it is a fact of Russian domestic legislation.)--Johannes Rohr 21:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New article, maybe?

message: I wish to propose that this article be moved to Indigenous peoples in northern Russia or Northern indigenous peoples in Russia - my preference is for the former.  The listed indigenous peoples in this article have existed since long before the country Russia was formed.  Therefore they are more properly peoples "in" Russia than peoples "of" Russia.  It is preferrable to avoid any wording that may imply belonging of an indigenous people to a country.  The word "in" instead of "of" has been chosen for related articles on indigenous peoples such as Aboriginal peoples in Canada (and its :Category:Aboriginal peoples in Canada), and Indigenous peoples in Brazil. Kurieeto 02:12, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
:I dare to disagree, I think the title should resemble the Russian term "Korrenye narody Severa" ("indigenous peoples of the North") which is the most frequently used term nowadays (the full form being "korrenye malochislennye narody Severa, Sibiri i Dal'nego Vostoka"). The English title cannot avoid adding "Russian" in order to make it clear that this article does not deal with Alaska, Canada or Scandinavia. And, well, "belonging to" in my understanding refers to "the North" rather than to "Russia", i.e. indigenous peoples belonging to those parts of the Circumpolar North which happen to be governed by Russia nowadays. Therefore I propose to move this article to Indigenous Peoples of the Russian North. --Johannes Rohr 08:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indigenous peoples in northern Russia