Talk:Atys father of Lydus

message: Propose to rename as Atys (king). Cretanforever (talk) 17:30, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
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message: Hello Uchucha. Thank you for closing the queer turn the discussion was taking on my proposal for renaming Atys, father of Lydus to Atys (King of Maeonia). I responded to one user who seemed straight but an impression from past contacts is present in my mind for some of the later participants to the discussion, upon which I abstained from taking part in it further. I will put forth a new proposal in due time because now, we have a King of Lydia, or any king of any sort for that matter, without an article of his own and should make do within a list. Whereas this is not case for his namesake Atys (king) of Alba Longa, nor would it have been, if the thing had any regents, for the otherwise mysterious Kingdom of Kurdistan. :) Regards. Cretanforever (talk) 06:53, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It was indeed a strange turn; I have never before or after closed a requested move as "Merge". But consensus was clear. I understand Atys father of Lydus now stands out from other kings of the period in having no article, but perhaps there are more articles that would better be merged into lists, since there is simply nothing substantial known about these persons. Ucucha 11:52, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In a similar vein, I separated Car (King of Caria) and Car (King of Megara) who were previously under the same roof. I explained my reasoning in Talk: Car (mythology): "The knowledge on the figures and their attributes is certainly very scarce and open to debate and but that should not justify treatment in bulk." If you feel that these Cars should be grouped together like the Kings of Lydia, by all means re-merge them. In time, the reasoning may be extended to other similar cases. Regards. Cretanforever (talk) 06:47, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I certainly agree that it is not good to treat two persons together in the manner Car (mythology) did, but the articles that result are so short, and unlikely to grow, that it might indeed be better if you merged them into a list. But there's no particular reason to ask me about that: I only closed one discussion and generally prefer to spend my time here on rice rats, rather than ancient kings with funny names. Ucucha 12:52, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The base material is short but the viewpoints published by scholars offer ground for growth. For Atys, it is also the name of a divinity, generally spelled Attis in that case. One scholar thinks the name (and therefore the divinity) is Phrygian (James George Frazer, citing scholars's names just to emphasize my example), another that it is Lydian and Phrygian (Attis: Between Myth and History: King Priest and God: Maria Grazia Lancellotti) while another sees it as a Greek introduction to Anatolia (Jan N. Bremmer). As a principle, I make a move request rather making the move myself, but a move request also has the disadvantage of bringing together not very knowledgeable chattering classes who move from one move request to another to present their precious views or interchanges. I will make a new move request for the king to Atys (King of the Maeonians) to have a clearer Atys (disambiguation). Cretanforever (talk) 10:44, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I would be part of those chattering classes, so I don't think I have anything useful to say to you; organize things as you see fit until someone has a better idea. Ucucha 11:50, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atys (King of Maeonia)