Talk:ICC Men's Test Team Rankings

message: As per the ICC ratings FAQ and media releases,the ratings only get updated at the end of a series.
As an example, in October 2016 the ICC said:
:India is assured of the top ranking, but will officially overtake Pakistan at the top of the table only when the rankings are updated at the end of the series.
Although a series may get to a stage where it is clear that one team will move in the ratings table, this does not actually happen until the series has finished. Please do not update this page, or the rankings on your favourite team's page until the table has been updated by ICC.
Every time this happens mid-series a number of (usually anonymous) editors start updating pages which are then reverted.
I have removed some more impassioned pleas to stop this in the hope that a more sober explanation may sway people.--Spike 'em (talk) 08:30, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-empting ratings changes 

message: i don't really know how to edit it myself, but someone needs to fix the rankings, which are out of synch. the numbers seem correct, but pakistan should be the #6 team, and NZ WI and Bang need to each move down a spot.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.146.11 (talk) 02:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  rankings wrong 

message: it would just make the whole system a little more understandable to see it put into action. Pugsworth 02:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  could we have an example of applying the formula to a specific series? 

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message: How can Lithuania be removed from the ranking?  Tomid (talk) 15:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lithuania 

message: Has anyone seen a press release or news report about the rankings being rebranded as MRF Tyres ICC rankings (as now appears on the icc website).
Confusingly player rankings are badged as MRF Tyres, but title says Reliance Player Rankings Spike 'em (talk) 12:39, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  MRF Tyres - New Sponsor 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: :::The article itself mentions "ICC Test Championship" as "notional", so it's not an official title. Men's Test Team Rankings is the official title used in the ICC website.https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/test Selva15469 (talk) 12:05, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you merge this into the discussion above? As per that, we need to bear in mind the WP:COMMONNAME as well as the WP:OFFICIALNAME. Spike 'em (talk) 12:29, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: And the notional refers to the championship not being a separate competition with its own set of games. Its previous official name was "ICC Test Championship" Spike 'em (talk) 12:34, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Test Championship is the name given for the test mace awarded for the top ranked team (now replaced by the World Test Championship). Source: Official tweet of ICC which clearly distinguishes between Rankings and Championship.https://twitter.com/ICC/status/967587480630259713
<Previous shouty/sweary comment removed> Spike 'em (talk) 08:13, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

text: This is an unsigned and abusive comment by User:Spike 'em, violating the policy Wikipedia:No Personal Attacks. Selva15469 (talk) 13:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: How about we go into all the policies you have violated? Spike 'em (talk) 13:42, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I talked with you politely and stopped the edit war to reach a conclusion from the discussion I started below. I request you to avoid personal attacks in future. Selva15469 (talk) 14:04, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but that is complete bullshit. You both moved  / edited this article (and the ODI / T20I ones) after this discussion was started, which is both edit warring and in bad faith. Spike 'em (talk) 18:04, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I accept that doing an edit war is my mistake and now I'm personally asking sorry to you. I understood the Wikipedian concepts of consensus and good faith now. I stopped the edit war and formally started the discussion to reach consensus by the requested move. And I request you to avoid using harsh words in future as per Wikipedia:Civility. Thank you.  Selva15469 (talk) 03:22, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  ICC Men's Test Team Rankings 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Closed at Moved (non-admin closure)  --Ahecht (TALKPAGE) 04:48, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ICC Test Championship →  – ICC Test Championship was replaced by ICC World Test Championship so the former title no longer exists. The photo of the Test mace (previously awarded to the top ranked test team) was attached to the ICC tweet about WTC Finals 2021https://twitter.com/icc/status/1393893505139945474 and an ICC article about WTC on 2018, including an official ICC tweet which clearly distinguishes between the names Team Rankings and Championship. Now the ICC Test Championship refers to the Test mace, not the team rankings.https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/742337 Selva15469 (talk) 13:51, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

text: The name ICC Test Championship was used for rankings table on 2001 (Sponsor: LG)https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/174294 and 2015 (Sponsor: Reliance)https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/180813 and 2016 (Sponsor: MRF Tyres)https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/183357 but not used since 2017https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/355778 and the rankings table became officially called as MRF Tyres Men's Team Rankings. The mace continued to be called as Test Championship mace and was awarded to the top ranked team until April 2019 (as WTC was inaugurated). Selva15469 (talk) 05:11, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , ICC Test Championship was the official name for the Test team rankings table until 2016. So it have to be the redirect for ICC Men's Test Team Rankings. I retract my comment on first line as the title 'ICC Test Championship' was not replaced but became invalid/defunct. The ICC World Test Championship was intended to replace the ICC Champions Trophy.https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/test-championship-to-replace-champions-trophy-646147 Selva15469 (talk) 04:50, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The move is appropriate nevertheless, the redirect after the move can be discussed separately. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:32, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

text: , the term World is not required as it's only used to refer league competitions (like world cup) in the cricket. The official and common name is ICC Men's Test Team Rankings. Selva15469 (talk) 04:50, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

text: 'Agree' on your opinion. ICC Test Championship was the official name of the rankings table until 2016 so there have to a separate section in that name to mention the teams who had won the test championship mace (until 2018). An article on 2018https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/742337 and a recent official tweet from ICChttps://twitter.com/icc/status/1393893505139945474 shows that the mace will be awarded to the champions of the ICC World Test Championship. Selva15469 (talk) 15:43, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure we can take a composite promotional picture as clear confirmation that it is the old mace being used as the trophy. I thought I read somewhere a while back that they were creating a new mace for the new competition, but that could be my memory playing tricks on me. Many of the online sources that have pictures of what they claim to be the WTC mace are clearly out of date as they have Reliance ribbons on it. I've also seen news reports that say that India retained the mace for the 5th successive year earlier this month, though this may just be journalistic licence to say something different to "Still top of the ratings"Spike 'em (talk) 16:01, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , Test championship mace (usually awarded to the top ranked team on April every year) was not awarded on 2020 and 2021 as the WTC was inaugurated on August 2019. Those news reports you said are unreliable sources.  Reliance ribbons were used as they were the sponsors on that time. According to ICC article, the mace, a symbol of excellence and a recognition of a side’s outstanding performance in Test cricket.https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/626132 So there is no need to create a new similar mace. Another tweet from ICC also confirms that the test mace will be awarded to the champions of WTC. https://twitter.com/ICC/status/1367165011781648384 Selva15469 (talk) 01:10, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 18 May 2021 

message: :ICC Test Championship →  – the consensus on the discussion of ICC Test Championship is clear in support of requested move. So I request the move of this template as per WP:SNOW to prevent getting tangled up in long, mind-numbing, bureaucratic discussions over things that are foregone conclusions. Selva15469 (talk) 16:47, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:45, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

text: *What's the rush here?  Things don't get moved until the RM closes. 162 etc. (talk) 22:42, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 22 May 2021 

message: Hi, , a long discussion with you since past week, it's personally very depressing and stressful for me. I've decided not to engage in further discussions and going to retire from Wikipedia. Thank you to everyone. Selva15469 (talk) 13:58, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal Note