Talk:Procol Harum

message: The original author of this statement should clarify it. In the broadest sense, western music uses the Bach tonal scale, but the author must have meant something narrower. Obviously using an organ in classical style is not sufficient to support the statement. If there are other musicological reasons for the statement, there should be some clarification.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkolak (talk • contribs) 11:46, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bach Tonality 

message: I've removed the detail about the star "named" after B.J. Wilson. As explained here, star names like this are fraudulent, and aren't recognised by anyone except the company you pay for the name. In particular, no astronomers use these names, whereas the asteroid named after Procol Harum would be recognised by the astronomical community.Sonitus 01:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star 

message: Could somebody please find out if Douglas Adams favourite song really was "Grand Hotel"? An earlier version of this page said it was "A Whiter Shade of Pale", and I remember reading somewhere that it was the Beatles "Drive my Car". If we can't find out I suggest we remove this "fact". StormCloud 13:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As nobody wanted to correct this statement I've removed it. I have, however, added a reference to the comment about "Grand Hotel" inspiring the "Restaurant at the end of the Universe" StormCloud 13:28, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DNA's favourite song? 

message: I've questioned the assertion that the group was named after Keith's Cat (I remember reading somewhere that it was a neighbour's cat). Can any body find an article that says one way or another? StormCloud 12:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Following this up, according to Claes Johansen's book "Procol Harum - Beyond the Pale" () "He [Guy Stephens] suggested that they name themselves after a Burmese cat belonging to a friend of his". I've amended the text and referenced the source.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by StormCloud (talk • contribs) 12:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who owned the cat? 

message: See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 06:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations & References

message: As is sadly the case with so many entries for pop bands and their albums, this one has so many non-NPOV statements in it I'm not sure where to begin. I suggest an extensive rewrite. It isn't necessary to insert passages such as the description of Grabham as "a worthy successor to Trower." What does that mean? Was he able to play all Trower's parts identically or something? Even the description of the Paramounts' demise ("...the band fell apart") is over the line. Say "disbanded." It conveys the same information without burdening the article with yet more opinion. B. Polhemus (talk) 17:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a difficult situation. Worthy successor means his musicianship was sufficient to not degrade the quality of the band. If the band fell apart, it would be the right word choice. It is another case where references and citations prevent this kind of speculation.Jkolak (talk) 09:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: The Authorship lawsuit is discussed on 3 pages; this page, the main A_Whiter_Shade_of_Pale page and the Matthew Fisher; we should collate the information on a single page. My preference is the A Whiter Shade Of Pale page, but that is just a my preference. Does anybody else have any strong feeling on where it should be documented? 
I'm going to post this message on all three talk pages to ask for comments, but please can we put them all together at Talk:A_Whiter_Shade_of_Pale StormCloud (talk) 20:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  AWSOP Authorship lawsuit 

message: Is there any reason we've duplicated is Discography section from another page? Stormcloud (talk) 08:30, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: Recording? I would suggest "song" or "hit" instead.. Agreed? Kvsh5 (talk) 06:55, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Their best-known recording is their 1967 single" 

message: Personally I feel that this page could do with some form of member section or timeline seeing as the only one available is the one featured in the infobox, and this is not very informative. I'd do one myself, but I'd like to hear the opinions of others first. Any thoughts? Burbridge92 (talk) 15:32, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Member section - Member timeline 

message: "The Paramounts were signed to EMI UK for their releases; until one day before Procol Harum linked with EMI UK again, they were called the Pinewoods."
I could not work out what this sentence was saying, so I looked up the Pinewoods on other sites and it seems that whatever it is saying is wrong - "the Pinewoods" was the original name of Procul Harum, not some continuation of the Paramounts. And it doesn't look like the Pinewoods/Procul Harum were on EMI.
I don't know enough about Procul Harum to rewrite it, though.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.150.26.234 (talk) 10:11, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: The Pinewoods

message: "Their second album, A Salty Dog (1969),"
But the discography lists it as their third album (and was the third LP released in the USA).
2601:8:AB80:AA6:19F2:CED4:704C:46BC (talk) 18:21, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I didn't know that; I have fixed it now. Lachlan Foley (talk) 03:35, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Album 

message: Re: "Guy Stevens, their original manager, named the band after Gus Dudgeon's Burmese cat". Not according to Ian Marchant who claims that it was Bob Rowberry "... who owned the cat after which Procol Harum was named." Corroborrated here by the great man himself. Gary Brooker, that is. -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:21, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some pretty extensive research on the unofficial Procol Harum web site about the original cat (https://www.procolharum.com/young_cat-claude1.htm), which seems to fairly conclusively prove that the cat belonged to the wife or girlfriend of a drug dealer - definitely not Gus Dudgeon. I don't know if an unofficial web site qualifies as a reliable source, but since the claim about Dudgeon has been challenged by multiple sources, I would suggest changing this into something less definite (e.g. "an acquaintance's Burmese cat"). Jah77 (talk) 11:27, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Gus Dudgeon's cat revealed as an impostor?

message: "The Paramounts were signed to EMI UK for their releases; until one day before Procol Harum linked with EMI UK again, they were called The Pinewoods."
I think I get what is being conveyed here, but it is quite clumsy. Is this it? "The Paramounts were signed to EMI UK for their releases. They changed their name to The Pinewoods after loosing/leaving/whatever EMI and considered signing with Island Records. Another name change followed to Procol Harum who signed with EMI UK."
I would encourage someone, perhaps the original editor, with clearer knowledge of this to add some clarity. Thanks!THX1136 (talk) 14:22, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's certainly very muddled, and it seems to be very doubtful. The Paramounts split up in October 1966. The new 1967 band was called, very briefly, The Pinewoods, according to the Halle Programme note. However, according to the webmaster at Beyond The Pale, Keith Reid has denied they were ever called the Pinewoods. Since Pinewood is where Ray Royer was born, it seems to me very likely that the whole Pinewoods thing is just the result of confusion. It's not clear who wrote the Halle notes either. The whole paragraph is in any case unsourced. --Pfold (talk) 17:17, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear Info 

message: Bob Rowberry confirmed the cat story on BBC Radio 4's Saturday Live on 22 February 2020: . There are details at this website. But there is no mention of Gus Dudgeon. Rather it seems the cat belonged to a Mrs Liz Coombs who shared a flat with Rowberry in Belsize Square. So where did Dudgeon's name come from? Not from Claes Johansen's 2000 book Beyond the Pale which says just "some friend of a former co-manager". 86.189.225.68 (talk) 10:12, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burmese cat 

message: I think the opening sentence should be "Procol Harum (/ˈproʊkəl ˈhɑːrəm/) are an English rock band formed in 1967...", as this is in line with the tag , which has been in place for nearly nine years. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:01, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it was changed here, by an anon IP one-edit editor, geolocating to Salt Lake City, with no explanation. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:04, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a recognised difference between British and US styles.  We use British style in this article - so, "are" not "is".   There's also a need to be internally consistent within the article.  The very next sentence starts with "Their best-known recording..." - not "Its...".  Etc., etc.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:34, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plural band name 

message: I guess we can't say yet per WP:CRYSTAL, but I guess with Gary Brooker's death, is this the end of the group? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:14, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of the group? 

message: The article on A Whiter Shade of Pale currently states that the released version of the song was recorded prior to Bobby Harrison joining the band, this being the reason for Bill Eyden's presence on the recording, whereas this article gives the impression that Harrison had joined the band prior to the recording. So, when exactly did he join the band and why did Eyden end up playing on the released version? Jah77 (talk) 21:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early lineup chronology