Talk:Thirty Seconds to Mars/Archive 1

message: these guys obviously seem to be a little harder then alternative ROCK. maybe theyre altrernative metal due to the fact that most alternative metal bands have a few screaming vocals that maybe arent consider hardcore but are still screams u know?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.146.98 (talk) 15:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ALT. Metal

message: maybe someone should post the orignal version of 93 million miles as an mp3. or maybe include the pre album lyrics somewhere so people know what the refrence to deadsy is.
i've tried to include them but it always gets removed as "vandalism".
ORIGNAL LYRICS REFERING TO DEADSY IN THE SECOND VERSE OF 93 MILLION MILES
"Just like a Deadsy song, pretty but somethings always wrong. Show me your secret Mason sign."
  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.213.49.222 (talk) 18:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Feud with Deadsy?

message: "The Struggle", another track that is officially the end of "Year Zero", has been incorrectly placed in other tracks or by itself in unofficial tracklistings. For example, it has been claimed by a few sites that "Year Zero" is only 4:38 long, and that "Anarchy in Tokyo" replaces it as the last track on the debut and is the one that houses "The Struggle" as it's end. Another has claimed that A Beautiful Lie [Advance] has "The Struggle" listed as it's last track (known as "[Hidden Track]"). These are all false, as "Anarchy in Tokyo" is not present on the official release, and "The Struggle" is not present on A Beautiful Lie [Advance].
A) The track listings are unofficial... what's the point in listing them?
B) "Anarchy In Tokyo" is on numerous import releases, hence why it would be listed as the last track on numerous releases.
C) Not to sound rude, but who cares if they list "The Struggle" as being last? Technically it is.
:Enfestid 16:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Unofficial" Track Listings

message: Honestly, why do we need three logos? The phoenix emblem is the logo that is primarily associated with the band. The skulls logo is simply for the most recent album -- why have it on the 30STM page instead of the one for the album? The page simply does not look good at all. It does not show the progression of the band's logos. The first is not even the "original" logo... it's simply another promotional image for the most recent album. 
Yes, sports teams have multiple logos. This is not a sports team though, now is it? Do you see the Linkin Park page with all of Linkin Park's numerous logos? No, it simply has pictures of the albums and bands. It is a far lengthier article as well. Look at similar articles of similar length: Adema, Slipknot, 311 (band), Alkaline Trio, Audioslave, Velvet Revolver, Blink-182, Cold (band), Disturbed, Evanescence, etc.
None have as many pictures, and they're all longer.
Enfestid 02:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple Logos

message: I've had a little confusion in the past with a track by the name of "Lifeless" in Limewire and Frostwire P2P file sharing networks. I've listened to it and it is quite obviously not by 30 Seconds to Mars (it's a metal song that has those extremely loud drums, screaming, ect). However, it appears very commonly when you search for 30 Seconds to Mars in one of those 2. Should this be mentioned? 
Also, if anyone knows, does anyone know who the real artist of "Lifeless" is? I thought it was a good song. I'm thinkin' it might be by death metal band Shadows Fall, but I'm not sure.
:The Wretched
::No, it's not 30STM. And since it's not, honestly, there's no point in mentioning it. Listening all the songs 30STM didn't sing could take a while! haha
:: Enfestid 22:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Lifeless"?

message: For those that keep putting it: a gold record is for albums shipped, not albums sold. It does not matter what source you have cited; it's incorrect. Thank you.
Enfestid 03:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales

message: Where is the From Yesterday Article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.187.69.217 (talk • contribs).
:There is none, hence why the link is red. // PoeticDecay 22:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is one now, partially because the song was a #1 hit on the Modern Rock charts. Doc Strange 16:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  From Yesterday article? 

message: I added the following paragraph to the "Band History" section.
On March 1, 2007, Matt Wachter announced his departure from the band live on stage in El Paso, Texas. This was confirmed the following day with a statement on the band's website [1]. Wachter stated that he would like to spend more time with his family.
Also, a link to the official statement on the band's website, that reads:
A New Beginning 
3/2/2007
After five wonderful years on the road with Thirty Seconds to Mars Matt Wachter has decided it is time spend more time with his family at home.
We love and support him completely and accept his decision with respect and understanding. This is not an end, it is a new begining.
There are times we all wish for things to stay the same but change is inevitable and we believe it must be embraced as a gift, not as anything else. There are only positive feelings between us all and we will always remember the wonderful contributions he has made to this project.
We care for our brother Matt very much and wish him the best with everything.
-Thirty Seconds to Mars
PROVEHITO IN ALTUM' Guylikeu 18:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matt's Departure 

message: I've just been reading, and I think there should be a section to mention Jared's custom made guitars - the Steve McSwain models, whcih McSwain has called "Gryphon" (both the black and the white ones) yet Jared has named the white one "Pythagoras" after the Greek philosopher and mathematician, and I can't remember what he called the black one - but it will be something Greek.
The design was drawn by Jared and given to McSwain, who made the guitars from scratch, and the image of a Griffin / Gryphon has been carved into them, they use a single Seymour Duncan pickup at the bridge and only have a volume control.
In general, I think there should be more information on the gear that the band use (I'm a gear-nut heh) Kudasai 21:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that it would only be proper to mention Jared's custom-built guitars on his article. It's not relevant to the band as a whole, because the whole band doesn't play with his custom-built guitars. I'd like to point out (because of the previous discussions on this talk page) that this is not a matter of opinion, rather a matter of relevance to the article. Wlmaltby3 – talk/contribs 06:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Trivia sections are being gradually phased out. Wlmaltby3 – talk/contribs 05:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:TRIV for more information. Wlmaltby3 – talk/contribs 05:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: it could be placed on Leto's page. Matthew Bellamy of the band Muse uses custom guitars made by Hugh Mason. if you go here, you'll see that it discusses the guitars on his article and not the band's. it really makes a lot more sense. if you're really that concerned about it, i suppose after adding the info to a new section of Leto's page, you could place a link to it in the "See Also" section of the 30stm page.68.255.172.238 01:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Leto's Guitars

message: I've gone ahead and deleted this row from the 'Discography, Singles'. Due to the fact that it is an "unannounced track" it would be impossible to give citation. If you have any problems with this please leave a message and sign your post. OldSongsNewStereo 15:27, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Unannounced track"

message: I think that emo should be added to genres. They are quite emo.
:Great argument. If you're the one who keeps vandalizing the page, please stop.
: Enfestid 22:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And could you sign your posts? or is he a random troll. Look, not every single alternative rock band in the entire planet is "emo", i mean i've had to revert vandalism of musicians as varied as Talking Heads, The Cure, Jimi Hendrix, Biffy Clyro, Spacehog and Jason Mraz. Look: just because some of their songs are emotional does not mean a band is emo. Doc Strange 16:19, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Unfortunatly on wikipedia, they don't call any bands emo. Even the most prominent bands like Fall Out Boy. There might as well not even be an article for emo on wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.4.101 (talk) 06:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emo? 

message: There's this box that read, "This page is 64 kilobytes long.", so perhaps it'd be a good idea to archive some of this, firstly to store previous comments "for the record", and secondly to perhaps reduce the loading times of this page.</BR>
As for "expediential" ("actually comes 
from a thesis that [the band] found online [that] was written by a former Harvard professor. And one of the subsections of the 
thesis was titled 'thirty seconds to mars' and he goes on to talk about the expediential growth of technology that relates to humans and saying that we are quite literally thirty seconds to mars. What it means to us is, we thought it best described our music, in short."), what does expediential mean? Would it be, by any chance, exponential or something? I'm not natively English or anything, but the level at which I speak is more or less native by the way. If it is in fact expediential, please elaborate insofar as to defining what "expediential" means (of course, without using the word "expedient" or derivatives of the word); if it isn't, well then, perhaps the bit on the band's origin should have a little [sic] behind it, indicating that it is an error. Just suggestion and requesting help, that's all really. Qwerty (talk) 15:35, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving this; and "expediential"

message: Hola 
 me encanta la cancion the kill y a beautiful lie 
no tengo mucho que decir  kiss bye bye  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.58.78.20 (talk) 23:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ANTONELLA