Talk:The Brian Jonestown Massacre

message: *and the title of the horror movie The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The name uses the same poetic meter and syllable count as the name of the horror movie (iamb/iamb/dactyl) short-long/long-long/long-short-short.
This strikes me as original research. Is there any source to indicate that the movie influenced the band name, or are we just recording a coincidence? -Will Beback 21:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Band name

message: *There are at least two dozen musicians who have been in the BJM at one point or another.
Is this website (http://oz.plymouth.edu/~cbrough/members/MEMBERS.HTML) a good source to change this information?
FeverDrum 04:59, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: members

message: * Newcombe has been capable of creating a hit album in less than a day. 
As much as I respect Newcombe, this is really a bit far... POV... Less than two weeks, maybe... but even then, when have the Brian Jonestown Massacre ever had a 'hit' album?
:Ah, but if you read it carefully it never says he did it, just that he was capable of doing it. Perhaps in the interest of our Wikipedia:verifiability policy we should just leave it out until it has been proven. -Will Beback 05:36, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: hit albums

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message: Is this for bands influenced by, or bands that share members? If the former, this is unsourced and probably original research. If the latter, it would help to list which members. / edg ☺ ★ 22:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Descendents section 

message: Would it be fair to add a "Criticism of BJM" section, and allowable by Wiki rules? Sstteevvee (talk) 22:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: lol what the heck would that include? "The BJM are criticized because Anton kicked someone's face in a concert, as seen in the film DiG!" ??--CuteHappyBrute (talk) 03:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No. My question is related to wether or not this article would be improved by adding a section that touches upon the published criticism of BJM, positive and negative, dealing strictly with the music. Sstteevvee (talk) 17:36, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism Section 

message: There is a vast amount of material on here, but the references only start after 90% of the previously unsourced content?Mlif Revol (talk) 21:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vast majority of material unsourced? 

message: The line-up for 1999 looks wrong:  Anton Newcombe and Miranda Lee Richards both on drums, and "Joel Gion - Tambourine/Maracas" on vocals???  Please check/correct.  —DIV (128.250.80.15 (talk) 05:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Line-up 

message: The "Music" section starts: "The first BJM album, 1995's Methodrone".   But the discography clearly lists Spacegirl & Other Favorites as the first album.  —DIV (128.250.80.15 (talk) 05:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Music" section 

message: I've taken it upon myself to clean-up this article: re-working the prose so that it 'flows' better and removing superfluous/clunky phrases and fanpage-ey pov-isms e.g., "Joel Gion is the voice of the revolution" or "Their Satanic Majesties' Second Request . . . [is] an excellent album for the uninitiated". Sstteevvee (talk) 17:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Concerning multi-instrumentalists, I list their instruments from rhythm-section upwards, starting with percussion and bass, then harmonic instruments and ending with melodic instruments e.g. "Matt Hollywood - bass, guitar, vocal, songwriting". I think this is common practice and is good for consistency. Sstteevvee (talk) 14:14, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose that descriptive details concerning psychedelia be moved from the opening paragraph to another subsection, and that the first paragraph should function primarily to give the reader an overall picture of the band. I'm thinking specifically about this sentence, which is a little weak on clarity: "Newcombe once described the term 'psychedelic' as to refer to "mind-expanding", but the BJM's music can also be spoken of as being psychedelic considering that some fans think of it as a direct continuation of popular music from the 1960s".  Sstteevvee (talk) 14:20, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Gion played tambourine and maracas. Both of these instruments fit nicely under the word "percussion" ;) Sstteevvee (talk) 14:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have completed a review of the entire article and have copyedited for general grammar, citation-needed tags, and have inserted citations, where possible. I have also removed sections of unverifiable content that I presume was the reason for the "Original research" and "Personal reflection ..." tags, which I have now removed.--Soulparadox (talk) 20:42, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-Up Project, Jan '09 

message: :Hu12,I apologize, but I am new to editing pages on Wikipedia; I thought would start out small by editing “External Links” to get the hang of things. I’m unsure why my edits and external links were taken down. Any help would be appreciated because I seem to be following the same procedure as other people on the same Wikipedia page, but my edits have been flagged as spam and taken down. I have read the article on “Spam” and "External Links" and don't think that anything applies to me, except perhaps that I posted to different articles quickly and this is why it was flagged and removed. The articles (and audio podcasts) that I’m linking to are with the actual people the Wikipedia page is about; the particular artists are not pushing a product, but discussing themselves and their work, and, often, the history of the musical genre. I feel this content is valuable and pertinent to the particular subject on the Wikipedia page, and I'm asking that it be allowed back on, or at least make the infraction clear to me. I think that the information is useful, and can only be referenced at the site, and would like it to be provided to the public at large. Thanks for your consideration. Mika Grueski --216.221.70.212 (talk) 19:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referencing goingthruvinyl 

message: Someone seems to be removing all reference to Newcombe's drug addiction and the band's failed appearances. I also think they are minimizing the role of other band members. I have seen the introductory section listing "all-star" band members added and removed multiple times.
As a point of reference, Roxy Music has had many studio musicians and line-up changes over the years, but a concise, relevant description of the band will always include Brian Eno's tenure in the early years. A description of Hawkwind might even need mention of Lemmy, simply because he is a person of note and his stint as bassist coincided with their highest popularity.
The caption to the first photo should read "Brian Jonestown Massacre" not "Anton Newcombe and Brian Jonestown Massacre"(it's a very poor photograph because only AN is really featured). A photo of the Beatles would not be captioned "Paul McCartney and the Beatles" despite the fact that Paul went on to more commercial success than the others. I think a lot of these changes stem from AN or his fans wanting to characterize BJM and AN as the same entity. That's fine, but as a matter of fact, they were billed as BJM not AN and BJM. We have to rely on album credits and billing because they are matters of historical fact. AN's intent now regarding the past is irrelevant.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.173.111.246 (talk) 17:54, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitewashing? 

message: The article doesn't mention about musical influence from the "Spacemen 3" band.
The following text was taken from Wikipedia about "Spacemen 3"  : 
Spacemen 3's style and sound has influenced many artists, on both sides of the Atlantic, including some bands belonging to the Shoegaze scene. E.g. My Bloody Valentine, Chapterhouse, Slowdive. Ride, Six By Seven, Mogwai, Bardo Pond, The Flowers of Hell, Yume Bitsu, 7% Solution, Lockgroove, Luna, Windy & Carl, Five Way Mirror, The Third Eye Foundation, American Analog Set, Black Mountain, Flying Saucer Attack, Asteroid No. 4, The Brian Jonestown Massacre, Colorsound, The Warlocks, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, The Icarus Line, The Morning After Girls, Scarling, and Wooden Shjips.
''
I agree. They are perhaps the most important neo-psychedelic band.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.173.111.246 (talk) 23:55, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical Style 

message: Maybe its just me, but this page leaves out everything notable about BJM.
It's on film, Anton Newcombe kicking an audience member. It's a matter of record that he has slandered Bernard Sumner, accusing him of stealing a song. He also stabbed a guitarist during a London gig.
To me, that distinguishes BJM from nearly every other band out there. Does the Sex Pistols page mention Nancy and Sid's death? Does the Iggy Pop page mention his self-mutilation and wild stage presence? Does the Stones page mention the drug arrests? Yes, yes and yes.
The negative stuff is what defines AN in contemporary rock journalism. Why is it consistently edited from this page?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.173.102.167 (talk) 05:25, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You might want to read WP:BLP and realize that WP is not a scandal rag.  Nor is there much point in posting the alleged act of one individual, untried in court, on a band's article.  Bands don't kick people. μηδείς (talk) 05:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

text: As a separate matter, you removed what seems to be a relevant comment by the Dandy's drummer with an edit summary that implies you think there is some sort of punctuation problem or editorializing, but the comment is unclear.  I have restored it, please explain in a sentence or two why you think it should be removed. μηδείς (talk) 18:05, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

text: I am not about to read a book by an anonymous author.  Whoever wrote that 5,000 word post, can you condense it to one concise paragraph and sign it?  Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 22:28, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  BJM's alleged violence and feuds 

message: Psychedelic rock is a genre of rock linked to drug culture, particularly that of hallucinogenic drugs. Anton has admitted his prior drug addiction in interviews (see above), has an image in the press (fairly or unfairly) as a drug user or addict (see above), and writes extensively about drugs and works of art linked with drugs (see discography).
Why isn't there a single mention of drugs in this entire article?
I am very confused by this article. I think that social and cultural import of BJM is their capacity to transgress taboos regarding violence, sex and drugs. To ignore this aspect of their performance is to omit the most relevant details.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.123.21.181 (talk) 22:04, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't write articles or add claims based on personal arguments of importance.  Find some reliable sources giving due weight to notable facts and add them to the article.  Stop arguing that it is our purpose to portray a certain viewpoint you find salient--it's not. μηδείς (talk) 22:38, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of drugs? 

message: We need a better source than "quietus" for the band's notoriety.  The claims being made amount to defamation per se and need to be sourced to something better. μηδείς (talk) 22:35, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  media notoriety 

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