Talk:Demographics of Germany

message: Hey! How and Where can I update the statistics?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.195.13.29 (talk) 17:40, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  2013 Statistics 

message: *Facts & figures about native minorities in Germany, by the Department of the Interior (in German)
*Article in Leipziger Volkszeitung, presenting the results of a survey on foreign language proficiency by the Marplan institute, Offenbach (the article is based on a news item by the German news agency dpa.
It is time for Germany to have a National CENSUS as the U.S.A. and any country of the World has, instead of Estimates which are not accurate...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.146.211.237 (talk) 16:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Demographics of Germany says:-
Germans 91.5%, Turks 2.4%, other 6.1% (made up largely of Serbs, Croats, Italians, Russians, Greeks, Poles, Spaniards, Albanians).
Hindu 32.1%, Lutheran 31.8%, Muslim 4.5%, Jewish 0.1%, unaffiliated or other 31.5% (2002)
If so, then a great lot of white native Germans would have converted to Hinduism!!!!!!!!!! Anthony Appleyard 19:02, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hindus in Germany :: PLEASE CHECK FACTS!!! 

message: Added major cities with nationalies: Not sure if it is presented the right way but it is an important factor for the Demographics of Germany.
Feb 2006
The way the article focuses on cities isnt right! this surely needs some more explanation from other articles. 70.23.114.215 11:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  major cities 

message: Just what exactly should this mean? Compare Berlin to Prague, Bratislava, Budapest, even Vienna. I can see no distinct Eastern trait. If you were to classify Berlin lifestyle, what comes to mind is "cosmopolitic" or "diverse". Whereas in some parts of (former) East Berlin, you might indeed encounter post-soviet subculture similar to Eastern European metropoles, Berlin is also influenced by immigrants from all over the world and general "Big City" style (like New York, London, Amsterdam, Paris, generalizing). Compared to other major German cities like Hamburg or Munich, Berlin lifestyle is the least homogeneous and most diverse. You might characterize Berlin as the German "city that never sleeps". If Hamburg is Germany's London (as the Hamburgers wish they were), then Berlin is Germany's New York. (as especially the young Berliners wish)
This should be changed to "...reputation for a cosmopolitic (or diverse) lifestyle". -- megA 11:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW: In fact the percentage of immigrants in the total population of Hamburg ( habour town ) and Frankfurt ( biggest airport in Germany ) is higher than in Berlin! --Sushi Leone 11:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  calling Berlin the German 'the city that never sleeps' doesnt do the city justice and only subordinates it to New York - to which Berlin does have metropolitan similarities but those would better related to Berlin's 'rough' image (i.e. architecture, radicalism in various forms, etc.). I do believe a stronger socialist/'Eastern European' culture and society is a strong characteristic of Berlin (when comparing with other metropolitan areas in Germany or Europe): take the history of Berlin alone (the history of Prussia, the massive load of the Nazi past, the GDR past, etc.). Even former West-Berlin (1950s until 1989/90) was a city marked by groups questioning the 'western' establishment? For the time since then take the social and political transformation the city went through, no other German city had that and I would call it a strong element of Berlin... the stronger representation of left wing parties, high unemployment rates, buisness culture/buisness power as well as social culture compared to Dusseldorf, Frankfurt or Munich, - not least the high number of Eastern European immigrants (first of all the number of Russians and Eastern European Jews) living in Berlin. Bottom line is that Berlin does have more relations to Germany's Eastern neighbors than any other major city in Germany, and it does so to an extend that i would call Eastern European? 65.9.55.103 (talk) 11:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berlin: Eastern European Lifestyle 

message: I was looking for a population density map of the country. -- Beland 02:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map request 

message: [Leipzig] sports Europe's highest density of Art Nouveau architecture.
Any sources? I believe that Budapest has far more Art Nouveau buildings than Leipzig.  -- megA 14:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leipzig and Art Noveau 

message: The graph next to the immigration section is in german. This should probably be changed.  Harley peters 23:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Immigration 

message: pleasy, could someone whose english is good enough to edit articles correct some of the statements about the cities (or, maybe the whole description row should be deleted). some thinks are strange (hamburg most anglo-saxon city?), some are plain wrong (leipzig's growing economy – very good joke, really), and others not really suitable for an encyclopedia (frankfurt boring). and, btw, bavarians aren't regarded as "ethnic group"... --VonKorf 07:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "informations" about the cities 

message: I want to make note on the article's immigrant nationality list has not  mentioned Germany's sizable Latin American community, an estimated 20,000 reported in the German census (sorry I don't have the sources), but from original research and love to find data to confirm what I know on the subject. In both former East and West, Argentines, Brazilians, Chileans and Uruguayans are said the most numerous, many of them had German ancestry, and mostly composed of political refugees in the late 20th century. Just a suggestion to include Latin Americans, because the 21st century Germany is becoming racially/culturally diverse like the U.S. + Mike D 26 10:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If most of them are, as you claim, of German ancestry, there is a good chance that that they regained German nationality on the point of their return(if they ever gave it up), and the immigrant stastitics you refer to, only list foreign nationals. Thats probably why they are not included. Jonas78 01:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Foreigners are not counted by the continent (region) they are from, but by their country/nationality (so in the statistic their are no latin americans cause that's not a country/nationality)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.225.232 (talk) 15:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of Latin Americans in Germany 

message: Please see Talk:Demography/Archives/2012#Demographics_vs_demography_confusion and comment.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename from demographics to demography 

message: In the table "Nationalities in Germany" 500,000 Kurds are listed. Apart from the fact that there is no recognized Kurdish state, all the other listings are from the German statistics office and collected according to national citizenship. Kurds of foreign nationality will have entered the statistics as Turkish, Irak... citizens, and therefore added twice to this list. Could someone take the Kurds out of the table I am afraid I am going to mess it up. That there is an important Kurdish presence in Germany should be mentioned somewhere else. Jonas78 01:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurds 

message: These two columns in the "Metropolitan Areas" table look like a battlefield. Could someone with a clear undestanding of what they are for please rework them? -- megA 14:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The table seems to list mainly "regional origins" but not ethnic groups(Hamburger, Leipziger ... are not an ethnic group). There is also no consistancy(sometimes German turks(Berlin) or just turks(Hamburg). I would reorganize it but don't know if the purpose of the table is to show actually "ethnic groups in each region" or "regional origins in each region" ?! -- Stan  talk 15:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Largest German/Non-German Ethnic Groups" 

message: Under the “Berlin/Brandenburg Metropolitan Region”, Berlin is claimed to be the largest. While it is true that Berlin is the largest city, from this very document, it is obvious that it isn't the largest "Metropolitan Region", but the fourth. Does is this a misleading or unclear design and arrangement, or am I being obtuse? 
Omkelly (talk) 07:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading in "Major metropolitan areas" 

message: Jugendamt is a highly controversial institution-it was criticised by minorities in Germany, United Nations, European Comission. There should be a chapter on it.--Molobo (talk) 18:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See Children and Family Court Advisory and Support Service in Britain. Controversies about children support services exist everywhere. This is not a specifically German phenomenon. -- megA (talk) 12:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but the article is not about Britain but about Germany. The aspect here is that it is criticised by UN, European Comission, and minority organisations. This is notable.--Molobo (talk) 18:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And how would it be relevant in an article about demographics? -- megA (talk) 11:34, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing about Jugendamt 

message: This article should be linked (and expanded). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.-- Matthead  Discuß   02:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Census in Germany]] 

message: I changed "more than half of the Germans in the East learned Russian at school, but only few people can speak it" to "more than half of the Germans in the East learned Russian at school", because I am from Germany and I know few people who learned Russian in school, yet are not able to communicate in it.-- 212.201.82.76 (talk) 18:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian-speakers 

message: The link for the reference cited in the claim that 10% of German citizens are of immigrant or partial immigrant background no longer points to the intended source material.
88.105.32.6 (talk) 08:33, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Link 

message: This category is a bit misleading, for instance, there are far more Israelis and Americans in Berlin than Dutchmen. Additionally, Pakistanis and Iranians aren't mentioned in the Berlin category, but they are listed in the Leipzig one, although Leipzig has a rather insignificant Iranian community compared to Berlin or Hamburg. Furthermore, i would add that Frankfurt is considered as the most 'international' German city and Berlin as the most ethnically diverse and multicultural city (about 20 non-indigenous communities with each 10,000 people.)--188.102.171.116 (talk) 20:24, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole column is completely unsourced (what does "largest groups" mean anyway?) and should be removed. By the way, "considered" is a so-called weasel word that shouldn't be used unless backed up with sources. -- megA (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest non-German ethnic groups 

message: There is now a cumbersome table ("vital statistics") right in the middle of the article. Is it possible to "fold" it so that who is interested might "open" it and it would be easier to skip for those who just want to read further down? Or should it be outsourced into another article? This article is large enough anyway (59 kB)... -- megA (talk) 14:23, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I was bold now and made it collapsed. (After I found out how) -- megA (talk) 10:41, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge table in the middle of the article 

message: I added some new references (regarding numbers of different Ethnic gropus in Germany) , because of too many missing citations. I'd really appreciate it, if anyone would be so kind to continue improving this category. --Herra660 (talk) 14:39, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnic groups

message: OK, so I noticed "German citizens" in "Ethnic groups" section. Citizenship is related but not equal to ethnicity. Where is mention made of "ethnic Germans" as a percentage of German residents and/or citizens? I don't see it. Is "Germans of no immigrant background" synonymous with "ethnic Germans"?
In fact, it seems the most of the section deals with nationality, which is again related but not equal to ethnicity. American, for instance, is not an ethnicity but a nationality, unless it is referring to Native American, and I doubt there are 99,000 Native Americans in Germany. If these numbers do indeed refer to nationalities, I think they should be moved to the immigration section. Int21h (talk) 04:26, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic German? 

message: German citizens = (92%)
:Germans of no immigrant background: (81%) 66.7 million
:German citizens of immigrant background (including people of partial immigrant background.): (10%)
Foreigners: (8%)
:Turkish = (2.1%) 1,713,551 ; including those with German citizenship and ancestral background almost (5%)= 4,000,000
These figures count German citizens with "ancestral (Turkish) background" twice. German citizens aren't foreigners by definition. (except in the eyes of the NPD, probably) Furthermore, no figures for "German citizens with ancestral backgrounds" among the other "foreign" groups (Italians, etc.) are given. This section needs a thorough cleanup, IMNSHO. -- megA (talk) 14:34, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I also noticed that the numbers do not add up. 2,1 millions + 6,7 millions is not 8 millions. I'll delete that and give some better numbers from a official source (Bundeszentrale für politische Bildung).-- Greatgreenwhale (talk) 08:51, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  More confusion in the "Ethnic Groups" section... 

message: Ich changed the section about the Roma, because the German government does keep statistics on ethnicity ("immigration background"...). It just counts the Roma as Germans without immigration background if they have been living there for generations and the Roma, who moved to Germany as "ethnic Yugoslawians" (or whereever they may be from).--Greatgreenwhale (talk) 06:35, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK, Yugoslavia didn't exist in the 15th century. ;-) Ironically (for white supremacists), they are ethnic Aryans, because that's where they come from. -- megA (talk) 08:43, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK nobody here claimed it did ;-) I just said, that the Roma, who moved to Germany from Yugoslavia (and many did) or who have parents, who moved from Yugoslavia to Germany where counted as "Yugoslavians", not Roma. That is why Roma usually do not turn up in that statistic on ethnicity. It was however wrong to claim that the German governmentdoes not keep statistics on ethnicity as the article did before.--Greatgreenwhale (talk) 14:03, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but in the 15th century, when the Roma immigrated to Germany, Yugoslavia (as well as Hungary and Czechoslovakia which were also immigration routes) didn't exist. As a matter of fact, neither did Germany... Bottom line: You are confounding citizenship and ethnicity. Roma are ethnic Roma. You may call them ethnic Indians, because that's where they come from. Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks would be "ethnic Yugoslavian" (if there was such a thing, which obviously isn't, because Yugoslavia was a state, not an ethnicity.) If a Han Chinese family lives for some time in Serbia and then moves to Germany, that doesn't make them "ethnic Yugoslavian". They are still Han Chinese. -- megA (talk) 20:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roma 

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message: Poles were considered to be a minority even in Nazi Germany (till 1939/1940). Now Germany doesn't accept minority rights for Poles.  Xx236 (talk) 10:01, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poles as a minority 

message: The lead section is very confusing. It keeps jumping back and forth in the census timeline from sentence to sentence: 2011 ... 2014 ... 2010 ... 2011 ... 2008 ... 2011
Isn't there a better (more chronological) way of presenting these numbers? --93.212.230.88 (talk) 14:24, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: In some places, the article uses the term Low German, in others, it says Low Saxon. This should be harmonized since we are talking about the same language here. I would suggest we use "Low German" ("Plattdeutsch") throughout this article because this is a Germany-focussed article, and "Low Saxon" ("Nedersaksisch") seems to be more of a term used in the Netherlands. Also, it might lead to confusion with the adjective referring to the state or the inhabitants of Lower Saxony. --93.212.230.88 (talk) 14:35, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Low German vs. Low Saxon 

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message: For instance it has Polish people at 2.85 million when there are actually 1.868 million.
Some data is correct though, Turkish people for instance.
Don't have the energy to fix it myself unfortunately.
Sources:
https://www.destatis.de/EN/FactsFigures/SocietyState/Population/MigrationIntegration/Tables_PersonsMigrationBackground/MigrantStatusSelectedCountries.html
https://www.destatis.de/EN/FactsFigures/SocietyState/Population/MigrationIntegration/Tables_PersonsMigrationBackground/MigrantStatusGroupsOfCountries.html
Lojalist (talk) 19:59, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  2016 Migrant Background table errors 

message: so uh, the table adds up to a little under 100.7%
someone should probably fix that
Acolossus | Talk | Contributions 21:56, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  2016 table errors 

message: This line, "Germany is a broadly middle-class society. However, there has been a strong increase in the number of children living in poverty. In 1965, one in 75 children was on the welfare rolls; but by 2007 this had increased to one child in six", in the lead is questionable. It seems to imply expansion of welfare equals an increase in poverty. If all welfare schemes were abolished, would poverty be eliminated? Hrodvarsson (talk) 22:57, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poverty 

message: Hi. The infobox says that Germany's 2020 population has declined. Then later in the article is says its increased. Which is fake news???129.127.32.139 (talk) 07:56, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Declined 

message: Change "Dutch is taught in states bordering the Netherlands, and Polish in the eastern states bordering Poland.[citation needed]"
to "Dutch is taught in states bordering the Netherlands, and Polish in the eastern states bordering Poland.https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niederl%C3%A4ndischunterricht_in_Deutschlandhttps://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polnischunterricht_in_Deutschland
Berlinnlp (talk) 21:03, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Other wikis are not reliable sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:11, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 August 2022 

message: It is September, there are no vital statistics for 2023. Please delete! Berni229 (talk) 10:54, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say so, too. A population number for the beginning of the year makes sense, but births and deaths are unknown and extrapolating the extant data to the full year makes no sense.--Chaptagai (talk) 08:59, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vital Statistics 2023 

message: It says on the pie chart on the "Ethnic minorities and migrant background (Migrationshintergrund)" section that Germans without immigrant background are 81.3%, but it says in the text right next to it that the actual number is 71.3% year 2022 (latest stats). The rest of the numbers on the pie chart are actually correct and updated to year 2022, but the number about specifically germans without immigrant backgrounds is not, and it's taken from the old number from 2005, which is clearly seen if you look at the stats throughout the years.
There's more Germans in total than that of course today, but it clearly states in the source added to the number on the pie chart that this means specifically with people without"immigrant background" and not that it means all Germans. 
So in short, the rest of the numbers are correct, but it should say "71.3%" for Germans on the pie chart since it means "without immigrant background", so it fits with the actual stats showed on the left, which are from year 2022.
Someone please fix both the pie chart graphic and the information. Thanks! MeManBlaze (talk) 17:42, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germans without immigrant background