Talk:History of the European Union

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The European Union icludes 27 (twenty-seven) countries and they go by following similar rulles. Some countries even have the same rules but probably additional or less.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.183.227 (talk) 16:52, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: The section on the post-Cold War enlargement and the one on associate memberships both seem out of place. They should probably be properly integrated and rewritten in the process. --Shallot 12:08, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Some sections

message: The nazi proposal for a confederated europe has no connection with the present EU. It is a piece of political spin to try to suggest there is a link between the two. By all means mention that it was floated but its nature needs to be clearly set out. User Elizabeth A seems to want to blur the distinction so that the reader would conclude that the EU has Nazi origins.
Lumos3 21:18, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I have deleted the contentious material again. The citation given is not a WP:Reliable source. --Red King (talk) 21:37, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

text: Thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.248.206 (talk) 11:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Pre 1945 Origins - Nazi European Confederation

message: What units are used in the table in this section? Could someone please add them?
Lumos3 16:23, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: 2004 enlargement

message: Aris Katsaris wrote: ... I don't know what "opat" is supposed to mean.
: I can tell you what it means in a non-English language... it's a word for Christian monks (or something) in my language. I can't remember the direct translation to English. Friar? --Joy [shallot] 10:24, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Abbot', apparently. I have made the edit. There are references to his 1713 'Plan for a perpetual peace' (or various other translations of the title) which may be relevant. I don't know about 1728. He may be a candidate for an article all to himself.  Bobblewik  (talk) 12:13, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  opat 

message: The role of the Benelux in the beginning of the EU is, in my opinion, completely looked over.
:Well, as a Dutchman I'm inclined to agree with you that we're systematically being ignored (thank god imho =D)
:But realistically speaking, is there really something you deem so crucial it has to be added to an encyclopedia article?
:We were there? That's already in it. :/
:-Kraftwerk 23-03-05-
*When I was a schoolchild in the US, we were always taught that the EU started with the Benelux countries and the other countries joined in. I'll try to find a source... Only Zuul (talk) 06:44, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Role of Benelux 

message: I just moved the Greenland comment from the Enlargement page. But I think that its place is neighter here, nor there - it is not a state, so it should be leaved in Special_member_state_territories_and_their_relations_with_the_EU, where it was in the first place.62.204.151.1 21:14, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greenland comment 

message: In Britain the group known as Federal Union was launched in November 1938, and began advocating a Federal Union of Europe as a post-war aim.
This sounds a little bit odd, given that WW II didn't start before September 1939. It should be clarified when the Federal Union started to have a post-war aim or which war they were referring to (maybe the spanish civil war? That was being fought in 1938) 213.191.70.226 14:38, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Federal Union 

message: What's Wiki style policy on the use of thousands separators and decimal points? A number of pages authored by Continental Europeans use a point ( . ) for the thousands separator and a comma ( , ) for the decimal marker, e.g. 'twelve thousand point eight-four' is written '12.000,84' (and said, e.g. in German, "Zwölf Tausend komma acht-vier"). English style is, of course, a comma for the thousands separator and a point for the decimal marker, i.e. '12,000.84'. Furthermore, SI style drops the thousands separator (12 000.84). 
I haven't seen anything in 'how to edit' guidelines about thousands separators and decimal points. Should an entry be made, indicating which style to use when editing English/European language pages?
What brought this up? I've just edited '80.000' to 'eighty thousand' and '80 000' to remove any source of confusion around the thousands separator.
*See also: Decimal separator
Sentinel75 07:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decimal points/thousand separators 

message: This might be worth mentioning in this article: many people in Eastern Europe (and elsewhere [i.e. France, Russia, those Europeans countries that refuse to join, many others]) believe that the European Union is nothing more than a 'German ploy' to 'control' Europe both politically and economically (given that Germany is the most economically powerful and populous member of the EU).  They say that the success of the EU obliquely fulfills the Third Reich's burning desire for Germany to become "The Undisputed Masters of Europe."  Should this hypothesis be included in the article or simply written off as a deluded conspiracy theory?  --152.163.101.6 23:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The later, unless you can cite someone important saying it. —Nightstallion (?) 19:53, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The EU -- A 'German Ploy'? 

message: The 2007 map doesn't have Serbia and Montenegro as separate countries. Maybe not a high priority, since they're not joining the EU anyway, but if someone with image editing skills can fix it it'd be a good idea...
:Quite right. —Nightstallion (?) 13:13, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps 

message: The section about the copenhagen criteria reads in a somewhat POV / negative towards the EU - specifically the statement about democracy being a requirement. Tholex 06:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1993 Section 

message: I would like to propose a reorganisation of articles about the EU, including merging and renaming as follows:
* Enlargement of the European Union (EEU): rename to Future Enlargement of the European Union
* List of European Union member states by accession: Merge future info into EEU article, and past info into History of the European Union. keep as a simple list.
Does this sound feasible? AndrewRT - Talk 23:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am against this. The list article was created to briefly summarise the past and future of enlargements and provide a concentrated collection of dates and information. Keep it as it is. —Nightstallion (?) 21:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Structure of Articles

message: Is there a list of the country-presidencies of the EEC/EU? If there is (or when it is created) could it be linked here and/or to the main EU page. Jackiespeel 18:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Presidency of the Council of the European Union. This links into the main Politics and government of the European Union template AndrewRT(Talk) 18:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rotating presidency by country

message: The EU only exists since the Treaty of Maastricht. Including its direct predecessors in this article is relevant, but before 1951 it gets problematic. It is not historically accurate to treat past events as part of a present entity, see historiography and anachronism. I therefore propose splitting the article into a pre-1945 and post-1945 version. One article could be titled History of European integration or History of pan-European proposals. The post-1945 article would retain the present title, and begin with the debate in the immediate post-war years (1945-1946).Paul111 12:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at the Article History of Zimbabwe it covers the whole span of histroy from ancient times to modern times, notwithstanding the fact that the country was known as Rhodesia prior to 1980. The is similar. The European Union is part of a continuity of organisations. It is right that the article called History of the European Union should deal with all those organisations and should take the name of the current organisation. Of course there is nothing wrong with having additional sub-articles for the pre-45 and post-45 periods. AndrewRT(Talk) 17:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Whig historiography perceives the past as an inevitable progression towards ever greater liberty and enlightenment. There is no evidence of a claim of inevitablility present in this article so this charge is not a valid one. Any history needs to set the scene as to how previous events have led up to the period in question so that they can be seen in context. Nothing jumps fully formed into being and the movements that led to the EU's coming into being should be described here if the reader is to gain an complete understanding of the subject. Lumos3 (talk) 18:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting the article 

message: Just on the idea of splitting, it is long - and should be longer. Way too much information is missing, this is basicaly a history of enlargement plus post 1945 ideas. I've started on a draft which I hope as a better structure to expand with information, including sub-pages, please do help out on it. If there are no objections I'll transfer it from my user space to here when all the existing information is moved to the new pages.
Only the pre-1993 information is in sub-pages, as there is little post-1993 yet to warrant a new page - I'd see a new sub-page post institutional settlement e.g. " History of the European Union (1993-2009)". Please, comments and contributions, still needs a lot of work - primarily the sub-pages which are just copied information at the moment. User:JLogan/DraftEUHistory - J Logan t/c: 11:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rework

message: I've always got the impression that this type of articles should only contain text and supplementary images. I think massive amounts of quality text should be our 'goal' for this article. A fundamental article like History of the European Union should be spared from huge tables, and the exact numbers of MEPs in the Parliament is a bit too irrelevant, I think. - \mathrm{S} \mathrm{Solberg} \mathrm{J} 18:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am half an half about it. I was thinking we could use some kind of quick reference on here for the results - for comparison between the years.- J Logan t: 13:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what you mean, but I think "see also"s would be better. It looks better. - \mathrm{S} \mathrm{Solberg} \mathrm{J} 14:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Election result tables

message: ... that part was for me of big interest and it is now completely gone.  Where can I see it?  Was it moved?  It was recently removed from the European Union article moved into this article, and now where? Miguel.mateo (talk) 22:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly what do you mean on expansions? Nothing was removed by SSJ and before I moved the 1993-1999 detail to its own page like the Communities one as it had grown larger than those independent pages, you can find that here: History of the European Union (1993-1999). The link to that is at the top of the shortened section, like the others. If not that, what?- J Logan t: 09:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not actually sure, I think it may be worth to re-read the article as a whole.  But a couple of notes: References to the fourth enlargements are gone (nothing is mentioned).  The fifth enlargement has its own section when there are no other sections for the previous enlargements (sounds out of place to me, look at the index to see if you understand what I am saying).  The section '1999–2004: "Prime Minister of Europe"' continues into the next section, but it does not "flow directly".  Again, I think a great job has been done to make it simple and short, but the last copy/edits seem to me like leaving the article in an inconsistent state.  I might be wrong ... Miguel.mateo (talk) 09:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well yes the whole thing could do with copyedit and citation, 1999-2004 wasn't changed by me of late. There is a very small note on the 4th enlargement but granted it could do with a bit more. The 5th has its own section because there is no sub pages for 1999 onwards, 1999-2004 and 2004-present are essentially pages in the making which would need development (or merging together after 2009) before being shipped out like I did to 1993-1999.- J Logan t: 10:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The recent edits about the expansions ... 

message: The first (pan)-European organization after the Second World War was the OECC, the Organization for European Economic Co-operation, instead of the Council of Europe. It was created on 16 april, 1948. See also http://www.oecd.org/document/48/0,3343,en_2649_201185_1876912_1_1_1_1,00.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blubberbrein2 (talk • contribs) 09:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 1945–1957: Peace from coal and steel

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Treaty nice.jpg

message: The intro states that the EAEC is part of the EU, but the EAEC's own article states that it is still legally distinct from the EU. I think the intro here is actually trying to say that the ECSC and EEC are part of the EU but has inadvertently and erroneously included the EAEC. I'm not sure how to reword the intro, but I thought it should be brought up. --Khajidha (talk) 00:34, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  European Atomic Energy Community 

message: The wording and feel of the article seems to be very academic, as if it was an extract or a modified version of an original university essay, it is not the kind of article you would expect to see in an encyclopedia. Sheodred (talk) 17:49, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The sentence  <I>Most European countries failed to maintain their Great Power status leaving two rival ideologically opposed superpowers.[6] However, the exception was the USSR, which became a superpower after World War II and maintained the status for 45 years</I> is not clear and the referenced site [6] doesn't exist any more. I would delete "leaving two rival ideologically opposed superpowers", which smells like OR to me. Or can someone find the text of the original reference #6? 194.174.73.80 (talk) 11:19, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  From ECSC to the Treaties of Rome 

message: On purely objective grounds should there not be a section devoted to Mosley, his outline for an EU and the fact he was the first to publish a newspaper called "The European?" His vision provides an interesting alternative structure run by a coalition of businesses and trade unions, with fixed wage for each job and price controls over the entire continent to control over and underproduction which, agreeing with Marx, he held to be the cause of poverty and unemployment.
Of course, as with the current set up, you end up with an open prison with a centralized power base but it is an interesting alternative and should feature in any history.
:I don't think so. Plenty of people, both before and after Mosley, thought about European unity and published newspapers. Some of them had similar political views too, both before and after his swing from corporatism/planning to fascism. His ideas had no major success in the UK and no long-term influence elsewhere. At best, he might merit a wikilink. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:42, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Brigade Piron Rjensen (talk) 13:58, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oswald Mosley/Europe A Nation 

message: As a civilian Churchill, after leaving office calling for a United States of Europe. 62.74.34.119 (talk) 20:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  There's is something wrong with this sentence: