Talk:Software engineering naming controversy

message: I dont know who wrote this first, but the "ambiguity and controversy" 
section is identical with the article on this site:
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Software-engineering
66.165.191.253 (talk) 00:38, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article you have linked to is an old copy of Wikipedia's own Software engineering article, which previously included some of the content on this page. --Allan McInnes (talk) 23:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagerism regarding article contents

message: On the Right to use - In Australia, you can use it provided you did a BE. Also Engineers Australia says that Software Engineering is "Software engineers design and modify complex software systems and computer hardware." Reubot 01:25, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to leave a comment to say that some computer scientists make a distinction between computer science and computer engineering. (c.f. Talk:Computer_scinec, computer science). Those that make this distinction would probably not agree that software engineering is par of computer science (typically university curriculum), but rather part of computer engineering (typically engineering school curriculum).--Powo 11:24, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I would really like to see a source for the first section. It's well known that scientists of various disciplines question the term computer science, but I've yet to meet the first engineer who questions the term software engineering. And I work for a firm that employs mostly engineers. Wouter Lievens 10:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: On the right to use

message: Sigh. This article needs major work, some of the contents is out of date and very POV. Reubot, you are right but that is misleading you can't ONLY use it with a BE. I believe it is not a matter of who can use it but rather a matter of the requirements for joining "The Institution of Engineers Australia".  BE's are not automatically allowed. Rather each university degree is audited and those that meet requirements are certified as recognised paths to membership. Some non BE degrees are also certified, and of relevence to this article that include the B. Software Engineering from the IT Faculty at Monash University. The list can be see at:
http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/ieaust/index.cfm?239CFCC6-F2FA-9C3A-C22C-7E6BA22020EC
Powo: You are right that many make a distinction, infact anyone whose department is not located in an engineering faculty is likely to make it. However, to then say that software engineering is not part of computer science is... wrong. Software Engineerign has been part of computer sceince AND specifically of the computer science curriculum for many many years - infact for far long than there have been independent software engineering degrees. The ACM Curriculum list Software Engineering as a core part of the dcomputer science body of knowledge. See: http://acm.org/education/curric_vols/cc2001.pdf
Note that the ACM has a seperate curriculum for Software Engineering degrees and for Computer Engineering degrees.
The ACM (and IEEE) are the main organisations that set the standards and provide certification, so I think this provides not a POV but rather fact. Wouter, the term "computer science" is question only as much as any non physical science. You could say the same about pretty much any social science. That doesn't change the fact that it is a recognise field.
Sorry for the long discussion, I have a thesis addressing some of these issue but no time to update the article properly myself... but someone please feel free to work in these references etc. Andre Oboler 18:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sigh

message: I am suggesting this Article be merged into the above named Article so as to provide continuity with several other articles. Security engineering  :Category:Engineering and Professional Engineer all should be migrating to using the same article to highlight industry concerns and legal perspectives, rather than seperatly devoting large portions of their own Article space to the subject.
I also believe that the name of this Article is slightly incorrect for the nature of what this Articls has become. The title "Debates within software engineering" implies that there is a debate occuring within this specific community that only pertains to this specific community. where as this "disagreement" spans several communities, such as Security, traditional engineers, and software and hardware engineers.
Your opinions? Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 16:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to me the debates may not have as much in common due to diverse fields but just my opinion.  Mikebar 18:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge into [[Controversies over the term Engineer]]