Talk:Headquarters of the United Nations

message: Where did the UN have its HQ before the building was constructed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.83.107.213 (talk) 01:11, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it officially had a headquaters, but both the general assembly and the security council held various meetings in places like San Francisco, London, and Geneva.--Supersexyspacemonkey (talk) 00:13, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I read in National Geographic's September 1961 special UN edition that one of the alternatives for UN HQ is a travelling cruise ship moving regularly among member states. The article just stated it as a passing remark and I don't have other clues for the source/reference. Could somebody with a background on this matter verify this?
:This sounds interesting, but I cannot verify this.--Jusjih 00:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The UN HQ should really be open for all. As a logical consequence, it should have its own international airport and sea port. that it doesn't. There is a member you can not go around to get there - the USA. It should have its own small territory somewhere under international control, instead of extraterritoriality. I was hoping to read some plans and ideas here on the moving of the HQ. The ship is a nice thought.--Mátyás (talk) 12:01, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed alternative of UN HQ 

message: Does anybody have any information about buildings, parks etc. that was removed in order to build the UN building? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.232.24.10 (talk) 13:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought there was an Edison power plant or something and then Rockefeller took over the land, or something. But that plant's probably a few blocks away, so that probably doesn't count. I do know, however, that a residential set of apartment buildings popped up across First Avenue from the UN site back in the 1920s or 1930s named Tudor City, surrounding a small park, and both are still around (provided, of course, that one climbs up a staircase after crossing First Avenue). 204.52.215.107 05:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It used to be a swamp before, which is what gave the neighborhood around the UN its name of Turtle Bay.  One interesting little fact - if you look at the older buildings across the street on Tudor City, you'll notice that they only have a few very small windows facing towards the UN.  That is because the swamp there was also used as a drainage ditch and garbage disposal.  So the buildings all have their majestic façades facing towards Tudor City park, and only the bathrooms have a little window facing the open view of the river and Queens.  Jdsouza 20:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buildings/park before the UN? 

message: Hi. Someone nominated this article for GA (I don't see the GA template here but trust this is so). A great subject but needs more work to pass GA. Here are some notes that I hope will help (feel free to use or not if I missed something). -Susanlesch 23:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is hardly a reliable reference for the cost. Also who is paying? 74.78.162.229 (talk) 13:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA nomination

message: What exactly does it mean when one says that the United Nations is "international territory"? What does it mean to the visitor? When someone breaks a law, whose law is he or she breaking, and how does he or she get punished, and who does the punishing? If the US is at war with a country and that country's diplomats happens to be at UN headquarters, what happens? How does the status of the UN headquarters compare with that of Vatican City from a legal and practical point of view, as far as relations with the surrounding country are concerned, and with countries in general? 204.52.215.107 05:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Same as my answer above. US law applies to the extent it's allowed to under the US/UN host country agreement. From a practical standpoint for visitors, that means there's no tax for purchases at the gift shop. Wl219 06:47, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

text: See  Wl219 06:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was there today, and it also apparently means the UN can get away with providing tacky unitednationese gifts at steep prices (in American dollars, of course) and running a unitednationese post office. Their International style architecturally is beautiful but dated, and their restrooms apparently are stuck in the 1950s. 204.52.215.107 02:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah, and it also makes an excuse for them to use heavier security than in most New York skyscrapers.204.52.215.107 03:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Security measures are probaby connected more with the high-level government officials being there every day than the extraterritoriality principle. Mystache 12:13, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is responcible for the security of the UN? BrainOverfloW (talk) 06:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: UN Department of safety and Security Jdsouza (talk) 18:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: International territory?

message: i just would like to know how many countries inculding in United Nation? Because many countries has been gets a freedom for their are country.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.19.65.24 (talk) 03:28, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See United Nations member states. There are currently 192 member states. --Joowwww (talk) 12:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  how many countries including in united nation? 

message: In the J.P. Morgan corporate site (www.jpmorgan.com/pages/jpmorgan/about/history) it is mentioned that "1947: The firm gives $8.5 million to the United Nations to purchase the 17-acre property for its headquarters"
In the Wikipedia article is says that the money/land was a Rockefeller donation. Which one is true?
Ovelix (talk) 18:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Guess what family had a CEO in Chase Manhattan. Guess what Chase Manhattan is named today.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.80.128.55 (talk) 04:34, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who donated the land? 

message: The secong external link is broken 83.60.183.191 (talk) 14:58, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link broken 

message: "Due to the significance of the organisation, proposals and offers to relocate the Headquarters buildings would suffice now and then. " Suffice pro surfice? 128.214.182.172 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 16:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suffice - ? 

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message: I am not an expert on this subject in any way, but the Corbusier and Niemeyer section seems to have a bit of a Niemeyer bias. It doesnt mention Corbusier's contributions, nor that of anyone else involved.Djacobs7 (talk) 07:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corbusier And Niemeyer 

message: According to the City of New York's NYCityMap system the United Nations headquarters and property is owned not by the United Nations but by the City of New York's Department of Citywide Administrative Services, I would like to change this information to reflect the correct up-to-data info but I am afraid that it might spark a editing war which I'd like to avoid at all costs. Unfortunately the way the NYCCityMap system is setup there is no way to directly link to the data and requests have to be manually entered each time. So I'd like to know how this should be handled properly. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 06:28, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ownership of the UN Headquarters 

message: The "International character" section currently contains "In 2005, Secretary-General Kofi Annan waived the immunity of Benon Sevan, Aleksandr Yakovlev, and Vladimir Kuznetsov in relation to the Oil-for-Food Programme.[22] All have been charged in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, except for Kofi Annan's own son, who was also implicated in the scandal." I have removed the last phrase "except"... for various reasons.  First, its wrong from the point of view of language. Annan's son is not part of the enumeration above, hence not part of the "all" referenced, and hence the "except" makes not sense. Secondly, it does nothing to illustrate the international character of the HQ, nor is it particularly connected with the UN HQ at all. It's probably fine in Oil for Food, or maybe in Kofi Annan, but here it's entirely gratuitous. And thirdly, the given source is much more circumspect than our "implicated", which is very vague and suggestive , without providing any substance. Please don't restore it without good reasons. If you restore it anyways, at least fix the language problems. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 06:47, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: None of these objections to a perfectly reasonable sentence are acceptble. Also, please review WP:BRD: the article rermains in the status quo ante during discussion, so your re-revert was improper.  As an admin you should have known better. BMK (talk) 12:02, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any substantial discussion. You simply seem to ignore my points, both grammatical and substantial. As for BRD, I'd say the edit that introduced this sentence was bold, and I reverted it. Anyways, the current sentence is bad. I'd suspect that the point is to somehow discredit Annan and.or the UN, which would violate WP:NPOV and arguably WP:BLP. Unless you can come up with a good reason why this broken sentence should be in that section, I'll gladly remove it again - if need be under WP:IAR. But I prefer a substantive discussion to acronym warring ;-). --Stephan Schulz (talk) 12:48, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You have no points worth discussing, frankly.  Your "language" point is ... worthless.  It's a perfectly good sentence.  Is there some subtext here I'm not understanding, because your "explanation" really makes no sense at all.  It stays in the article until there is a consensus here to remove it, don't revert again. BMK (talk) 00:01, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: OMG, you're a freakin; administrator? Please refresh your knowledge of WP:BRD. Your Bold edit has been Reverted by another editor, the next step is Discussion. During the discussion, the article remains in the status quo ante.  It is to that state I have returned it to, re-reverting without a consensus to do so is edit-warring, as you should know. BMK (talk) 00:05, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that you already knew that I am an admin back at your first reply, the surprise seems to be a bit, well, surprising. WP:BRD is an essay. WP:IAR is a policy. Anyways, I am discussing. Back to the subject. If you think that the language is perfectly fine, which group of people does the only occurrence of  "all" in the section I quoted above refer to? My understanding is that it refers to Benon Sevan, Aleksandr Yakovlev, and Vladimir Kuznetsov, none of which is Kofi Annnan's son. A better phrasing for what I think this is trying to say would be a new sentence "Kofi Annan's son, Kojo Annan, who was also implicated in the scandal, was not charged." That would at least fix the language problem. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 21:29, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: re admin: actually, I forgot - it happens when you get older.  BRD is an essay but it's probably the most widely cited essay in the project, and to see an admin totally disregard it is shocking, to say the least. IAR is never a justification for edit warring."All the apples were rotten, except for one." Any problem with that? BMK (talk) 21:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "There is a red apple, a green apple, and a blue apple. All of the apples are rotten, except for the orange." - that's my problem with the language. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 06:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Very nice construction, but unfortunately not analogous to the one in the article.  The sentence is grammatically correct as it is,  it is your understanding of it is flawed. Perhaps your command of English is not as "near native" as you think it is? BMK (talk) 07:58, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There is always the chance of falling prey to the Dunning–Kruger effect, but I don't thinks that is the problem here. The word "all" refers to something - it's not "all things" or "all humans", or even "all UN employees in New York". In my interpretation, it refers to the set of three specific people listed in the previous sentence. None of those three is the son of Kofi Annan, who is therefore not an exception to the claim that all from that set of 3 people were charged. He just was not charged. That may be an exception from "all implicated" (though I doubt that), but it's not an exception to "all of Benon Sevan, Aleksandr Yakovlev, and Vladimir Kuznetsov were charged", which the current sentence claims. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 08:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Nu? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 16:44, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Nu what?  There is no grammatical problem with the sentence, it's perfectly acceptable and perfectly clear. BMK (talk) 20:52, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Since we seem to be at that level: "Is not". It's also probably a BLP violation, since the main story about the "implication" seem to have been officially withdrawn, with an official excuse, by the Sunday Times. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 21:16, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "Seems"?  Has it been withdrawn or not? BMK (talk) 21:58, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: BBC CNN The GuardianNYT. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 22:43, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's not exactly a refutation of the sentence in our article, since the Times alleged that he "admitted" to doing it, which is what he sued over, while our article just says that he wasn't indicted, which remains true.  Still BLP policy being what it is, I agree that the use of Annan's name in the sentence raises the possibility that he was involved, so it's safer from that point of view to simply remove it, which I will go and do now. BMK (talk) 23:21, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Also note that e.g. the BBC says the Sunday Times withdrew "withdrew the claims (that Mr Annan was involved in oil trading linked to the discredited Iraqi oil-for-food scheme)" in general, and also mentions that the UN's independent inquiry found no evidence supporting the claim Kojo Annan was involved. The other sources generally agree. It's not ironclad, but then what is? --Stephan Schulz (talk) 23:56, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kofi Anan's son and Oil for Food 

message: We really do not need 3 images of the General Assembly hall, so I removed one. Epic Genius (talk) 00:37, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Epicgenius, very good.  You just removed the wrong one, that's all. BMK (talk) 07:58, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for fixing that, BMK. I'd intended to remove the image showing the hall full of people, but apparently these image's names are very similar, and I must have gotten confused. Epic Genius (talk) 11:40, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images of the General Assembly Hall 

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message: I'd like to include recent renovations, hours of visitation for the general public, and basically any new, current information in 2016.
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replies: text: Thanks for the edit, however, a few changes should be made as the new section "Updates" isn't necessary. The building upgrades should be included in the "Overhaul" section, and need to be sourced with a proper reference (About.com is questionable as a reliable source). The information about the death of the architect isn't relevant to this article; people wondering can simply read his specific article. Coinmanj (talk) 02:15, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
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