Talk:Ivan Bagramyan

message: Marshall, are you going to add the name of Ivan Bagramian in Armenian font?--Moosh88 01:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ? 

message: About birthplace. Sources give different information. After some of them Bagramian was born in Elizavetpol, and after others he was born in Chardakhlu. How can you exploin it? May be some of them  takes the birthplace for the workplace of his father? --FHen(ru) 20:49, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: Another great job by MarshallBagramyan. Vartanm 22:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congratulations 

message: The original picture of Bagramian had been replaced by one of Weird Al Yankovic.  Stupid trolls. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.75.116.70 (talk) 17:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Stupid Troll had put the wrong picture in the caption box 

message: In the WWII: Ukraine section we read, "Since the winter of 1940, Bagramyan had been busy devising a battle plan that would counter threats from the western Ukraine that was approved after numerous revisions on May 10.[13]" May 10 of what year? Preston McConkie 17:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which May 10? 

message: What did Bagramyan do from 1945-1982? Did he ever marry or have children? --Fang Aili talk 18:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that section was removed by a vandal and was just recently restored. I'm unsure of his personal life but I have seen some pictures of him with what I believe was his wife and daughter from the 1930s.--MarshallBagramyan 18:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice section, thank you. --Fang Aili talk 19:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unanswered questions 

message: First off, congratulations everyone for the FA status. Second, did you really have to use that picture for the FA thumbnail? I checked to make sure it was the right one as soon as I saw it. I thought it was a young Hitler from what I could see of the uniform and the little mustache. Slavlin 18:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA picture 

message: I have attempted to change the awkward reference, "non-aggression Molotov-Ribbentrop pact" to "Molotov-Ribbentrop non-aggression pact." I've kept the link intact, and the changed usage is standard and acceptable. But Wafulz keeps changing it back with no explanation. To avoid an editing war, I want to hear what others think of why it should stay with the original, and I believe awkward, wording--or of folks agree with my proposed change. Preston McConkie 18:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The TFA is vandalized everyday and is not protected or semi-protected.  See Wikipedia:Protection policy.  ShadowHalo 20:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Molotov-Ribbentrop pact 

message: Bagramyan never had an 'allegiance' to Armenia. He was an ethnic Armenian, and he obviously was a leading personality in Armenia, but his allegiances were with the Soviet Union. If he had been anything else, ne would have been branded 'nazionalist' and dismissed from the Army at the very least. He never to may knowledge advocated Armenian independence during his lifetime, and using the post-Soviet Union Armenian flag is of course misinforming the reader. If anything, the Soviet era Armenian republic flag should be used since I believe he was at one time a deputy representing Armenia in the Communist Party. It seems to me that the symbol of the Marshal, the shoulder-board needs to be more prominent since this is a major defining symbol of Bagramyan.-- mrg3105mrg3105   21:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Mrg, you are confusing the Democratic Republic of Armenia (1918-1920, Bagramyan served in its army) with the modern-day Republic of Armenia and Soviet Armenia. - Fedayee (talk) 22:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not confusing anything. Bagramyan may have served in the Armenian Army before its incorporation into the Soviet Union, but not in the rank of a Marshal of Soviet Union, which is what this articles is about :o)-- mrg3105mrg3105   22:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Bagramyan, AS IT SAYS IN THE ARTICLE, was a praporshik in the Imperial Russian Army, and then joined the Red Cavalry. He never held a noteworthy commission in the Armenian forces that I know of, and achieved all his officer ranks in the Soviet Army. In what way does his living in Armenia during its brief experience of independence suggest his ALLEGIANCES were with Armenia? In fact he left Armenia and didn't live there for most of his life due to Army service!So what is the point of adding the Armenian falg? I suggest it is simply your attempt to nationalise the article to reflect some sense of patriotic pride in his achievement, but this is not the place to show it. Bagramyan was for all records of history a Soviet officer and a Soviet Marshal. There were other Marshals of non-Russian extraction. You can't rewrite history based on your patriotic feelings.-- mrg3105mrg3105   00:39, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I think you are just misinterpreting history. Vasilevsky HAD TO swear allegiance to the Tsar on his commission as an officer. Bagramyan was drafted, and as an NCO swore his allegiance to the Tsar as part of the unit ceremony. Unless you can provide factual information that he was a commissioned officer in the DROA, I would have to assume that he supported Communism, or at least Socialism in his early life, which is why he joined the Red Army. That he had to be a member of the Communist Party after reaching the rank of a Captain goes without saying. How can you suggest compromises in interpreting history? This is the same argument some Turkish historians use when they claim that the deaths of Armenians during the 20s were a part of the general 'unrest' of the times and that Turks died also. Something either is, or is not, and the job of a historian is to show otherwise. I'll be happy to see any evidence, because I have read only one book on Bagramyan written in USSR, so I'm not suggesting that I'm an authority, but you have not offered any such evidence.-- mrg3105mrg3105   22:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

text: PS. If anything, Bagramyan's actions suggest he did not swear allegiance to DROA. If he had, he would have remained there, but he left and joined the Red Army, and on joining the Red Army, he did have to swear allegiance to the Revolution and the Party of Workers, etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrg3105 (talk • contribs) 22:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegiance 

message: User Mrg3105 has been reverting the notion of Baghramyan's allegiance to the Democratic Republic of Armenia in the infobox of the article, claiming that this stems from my attempt to "nationalize" Baghramyan, who was a Soviet officer for most of his career. I beg to differ and proposed that we can list his service to each faction with dates including the Russian Empire, but attempts to engage him with dialogue have been fruitless and frustrating, himself evidently referring to me as a nationalistic sod  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarshallBagramyan (talk • contribs) 22:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegiance to... 

message: I'm coming back to fix this up because the current content is very confused--Shattered Wikiglass (talk) 12:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Service during GPW 

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message: Folks, this is an excellent article, so maybe transliteration has already been discussed in detail, but just in case, I'd like to bring it up.  What is it spelled Bagramyan in English, rather than Baghramyan, which is how the ղ is normally written in English.  I know Russian doesn't have the "gh" sound, so in Russian they'd use the plain g, but this is English.  Shouldn't it be gh?  --RaffiKojian (talk) 04:05, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration 

message: *"Ivan Bagramyan" -Llc - 146 results
*"Hovhannes Bagramyan" -Llc - 2 results
Takabeg (talk) 17:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I've been contemplating moving this to Ivan Bagramyan for some time now as well. I would support a move.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:32, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ivan or Hovhannes 

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message: More citations and information needed for the 1918-1920 period, precisely about his alleged involvement in the Battle of Sardapat and the May uprising.--HCPUNXKID 16:09, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  More citations needed 

message: The article currently does not meet the FA criteria, due to verifiability issues. Much of the content is not supported by inline citations, such as the entire Honours and awards section. It may need featured article review if citations are not added. (t · c) buidhe 11:23, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , I'm willing to improve the article if you can guide me a bit. At a first glance, most of the unsourced honours are present in the source in the beginning of the honours section (ref #52 currently). I'll do an in depth reading of that reference tomorrow. - Kevo327 (talk) 20:57, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: For the honors section, possibly, but it has to be checked to make sure it supports the content and edited so that there is a citation for each bullet per WP:FARC2c. Thanks for working to improve the article. (t · c) buidhe 01:05, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  when all of the templates are resolved in the article (like the citation needed or dubious tags) please ping buidhe or me and someone will give more comments. Thanks! Z1720 (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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