Talk:Dear Prudence

message: Shouldn't there be a musical analysis of this song? Like the dynamics and how the instrumentation builds with each verse? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.26.169 (talk) 06:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: Told me a few things I didn't know, is short and to the point but not devoid of content. Just goes to show that album tracks can make decent articles! --kingboyk (talk) 16:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nice article 

message: Farrow explained years later that she was just trying to take Transcendental Meditation seriously. She said in Mojo magazine: "They were trying to be cheerful, but I wished they'd go away. I don't think they realized what the training was all about."  In an early acoustic demo of the song, Lennon makes a direct reference to this story, when he said.....  "Transcendental Meditation course in Rishikesh, India. Who was to know that sooner or later she was to go completely berserk over the care of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. All the people around her were very worried about her because she was going insane". -- — Kbob • Talk •  12:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The first part is found in Mia Farrow's memoir. The second is on the Beatles Anthology. I'll dig up the citations for them.   Will Beback  talk   09:17, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added something that's cited and covers all the bases. I think adding further details gives undue weight to Farrow rather than the article subject. Perhaps these other details about Farrow could go in her bio once sources are found.-- — Kbob • Talk •  15:31, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There seeme to be some duplication between the articles.   Will Beback  talk   20:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove unsourced content that could violate WP:BLP 

message: Can someone remove this crap from the right hand column? I don't see how.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.66.143.224 (talk) 06:12, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The ridiculous hijacking of this page by "Souxshee and the Banshees" 

message: I'm always a bit disappointed to see a section titled "Composition" and find it has nothing to do with the actual, y'know, composition. I suppose a fair amount of people see it as a section I would title "Lyrics", or "Inspiration", or "Background". But I came to this article expecting someone would have already written something about the influential chord progression, D to D/C to G/B to Gm/B♭, not to mention the bridge (F to A♭ to G to D).
I was working on the article for "I'm Not the One", creating a "Composition" section and talking about its chord progressions. If you know the Cars song, it's kinda impossible not to compare it to "Dear Prudence". One transcriptionist has it as the exact same thing, another has it as merely similar. But I was hoping somebody with actual Beatles sheet music to cite had already written about the music to this song. I could tell you exactly how to play "Dear Prudence", but I haven't a book of sheet music to cite.
I think other songs have used the main chord sequence as well, though off the top of my head I can't tell you which ones.
Don't misunderstand, the info on Prudence Farrow is interesting and I wouldn't cut a word of it. I would just categorize it as something other than "Composition".
--Ben Culture (talk) 10:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your comments. I think you've made a legitimate point and I've changed the section name to: Background. As for the chord progression and its influence on other music, we'd need some reliable sources for that and if you have some let me know and you/I/we can add content that summarizes those sources. Best, -- — Keithbob • Talk •  16:52, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Composition" section and what it's for. 

message: Say, who is this John McCartney credited with background vocals? (It's unlinked so there's no explanation). A distant relative of Paul's? More to the point, Paul has a brother Michael and a father Jim, but no brother named John. I Googled "John McCartney" and nothing came up related to Paul...so very curious as to who this is referring to. Do the sources explain? Is he a relation to Paul?70.91.35.27 (talk) 16:47, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It was possibly a joke or a hoax. I've removed it for now. The personnel section is sourced and I don't recall any of the sources I've seen mention a John McCartney, and that name would have stood out. freshacconci talk to me 19:11, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

text: Fixed, again. No idea how long it's been there. freshacconci (✉) 19:52, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I last added it, I'd say(!). It's fine – John McCartney's a cousin, the relationship's mentioned under Studio recording. JG66 (talk) 04:41, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  John McCartney? 

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message: In the lede: was MIa Farrow or her sister Prudence "obsessive about" meditation? Syntax makes it kind of unclear. --Daveler16 (talk) 19:37, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Obsessive about meditating" 

message: Here's Donovan in a 2012 video for Rolling Stone (see from about 1:22) claiming credit for teaching Lennon a new guitar picking technique which inspired his composition of "Dear Prudence", as well as "Julia". (Also a lot about meditation, of course). Martinevans123 (talk) 23:44, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Martin – wow, that's a massive omission from the article, not to include any mention of Lennon's adoption of the clawhammer picking technique via Donovan. And also, further to Don's point about chord structures, Harrison highlighted his influence on their entire approach to songwriting on the White Album, at least on the songs they started while in Rishikesh. We should mention both these points, and include the Rolling Stone video interview under External links, I'd say. JG66 (talk) 04:38, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: And if we believe Donovan (and why shouldn't we), it's also true for Paul's "Blackbird". Martinevans123 (talk) 18:14, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, "Mother Nature's Son" also, of course. Don's a prince; it's certainly not a case of him trying to grab a slice of White Album glory. Everything he says there is supported by reliable sources – albeit, I get the impression it took Harrison's acknowledgment of his influence beyond the clawhammer technique, in The Beatles Anthology, and Donovan's recollections in his autobiography, for the point about his impact on the Beatles' songwriting to come out. JG66 (talk) 21:52, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Donovan uses the word "clawhammer" only once, and quite quickly, towards the start of that video. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Clawhammer]] 

message: The article for Angel Recording Studios opens: "Angel Recording Studios Limited (also referred to as Angel Studios) ..." But it seems we have to use "Studio: Angel" in the infobox, as them's the rulez at template. The infobox at Hyæna currently breaks the rules twice, and yet remains perfectly clear? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:56, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess (because of them there rules!) it's a case of Hyæna being "wrong", no? Can't say I'm a fan of this idea to remove the word Studio/s; it's consistent with dropping Records from Label=, I realise, but in some cases – eg when the studio name is the same as a record company's (EMI, A&M, Columbia, Atlantic, Stax) – the abbreviated form looks kinda odd in the infobox, imo. It's worth remembering that the whole Studio= parameter came about because, years ago, an editor just started adding them to infoboxes where previously the facility was included as part of Recording=. The template documentation was then shifted along to follow the trend – I think I'm right in saying that's how dropping Studio/s came about. JG66 (talk) 12:40, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi JG66. Yes, I think you are right about the history of the "Studio=" parameter in the infobox. And yes, the Hyæna infobox may be "wrong". I'm just saying that it can also be read perfectly clearly without any confusion. But I'm also saying that in this case the term mandated by the infobox template directly contradicts the opening line of the record label article. I guess that's true for many other labels. So what's the big saving with that template rule... seven letters and a space in the infobox? saving the reader the inconvenience of having to read that extra word? Editors still have to go to the trouble of using a piped link (if one is available, of course)? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:30, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure I follow you with the point about "directly contradicts the opening line of the record label article" – the recording studio article, perhaps? For me, and I've mentioned the record label-derived studio names in this regard, the abbreviation to Angel gives me an uh? moment: something doesn't sit right. The resulting "Angel, London" makes me think of The Angel, Islington; that is, makes me think it's saying Angel, London. I did remove "Recording" for what I thought (and still think) are good reasons but ... well, who knows. Seeing "Twickenham Film, London" (target article should include mention of "Twickenham Films Studios", btw, which was the title for decades) just looks idiotic, imo, even if it ticks the boxes for editors whose sole concern is "No 'Studio/s', no 'Studio/s'". As with anything on Wikipedia, it's about how the information reaches a reader, or at least with a thought to that, but I don't find too many regular editors here are able to edit and think like readers at the same time. (I'm tempted to call this Europafilm-Stockholm syndrome.) JG66 (talk) 17:37, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Angel Recording Studios]] 

message: This source says:
:"POINTING BONE... this was actually recorded out of the country in the Europa Film recording studio, in Stockholm (Sweden), at the same time they recorded Dear Prudence, In July.  The backing track for Dear Prudence had been recorded, when they just began playing their instruments in the studio. Siouxsie started making up lyrics as the music developed and the whole thing just occurred... simple 'eh?  All that remained to be done on their return to England was for Robert to add his wha-wha guitars."
But perhaps that's not deemed to be sufficiently reliable? (At least it's not called Europafilm Studios, eh? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:41, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In corroboration, we also already have The Independent source here, where Robert Webb reports: "The Beatles got slated for it when it was released – it was unbelievable – but there's just something about that record," said Siouxsie. "One of the main reasons we chose ["Dear Prudence"] was that John Lennon's version sounds a bit unfinished," concurred the bassist, Steve Severin. "We recorded it in Sweden, and the idea came from touring round Scandinavia, listening to the Beatles." Martinevans123 (talk) 16:46, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: And the only Swedish location listed as a recording location in the credits for the (US) parent album is Europafilm ... yes. JG66 (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Europafilm]] Stockholm 

message: This sentence:
"Despite the song was a previous song "Back In The U.S.S.R", the LP wasn't due of the LP was based on the 1973 edition, and later this song was added in third LPs."
makes no sense. 2603:8001:BD02:2A6:B5E3:630F:5A16:B6BF (talk) 22:26, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What???