Talk:SIG SG 550

message: (note: a lot is my personal opinion, but perhaps somebody can add something that makes this text more suitable for wiki. Thanks)
The SIG 550 is an extremely precise assault rifle that is capable of delivering excellent results at 300 meters (part of the standard marksman training in Switzerland). Although the SIG 550 is generally considered reliable, the rifle needs to be kept clean in order to maintain reliability at all times. Unlike so many of its more famous peers (for example the AK 47 or M16), the SIG 550 has not been 'battle proven' and was never used extensively in any conflict. Some reports of SIG 550's used in a real battle field conditions come from reports on conflicts, where (most likely stolen Swiss Army StGw 90) SIG 550's, were used by certain rogue elements of the warring parties. No reports on the SIGs reliability in these conditions are commonly available. 
PS. (personal comment: In the 1990is I remember reading reports of stolen SIGs used by rogue groups. Anybody has any references on this? Thanks) --Nvasi 03:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliability 

message: I don't think the two articles should merged. The 552 has enough unique features to be listed in a stub and both articles share the main technical differences between the two types. Koalorka 04:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has different internals, did you read the article? Different bolt carrier, placement of the return spring is in the receiver instead of around the piston etc. I think it deserves it's own stub, and not because I own it. BTW do you ever contribute any content to firearms-related articles or do you simply just edit and reformat existing content to what you see fit? Koalorka 14:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say the 552 should warrant it's own article. It is in fact a unique design, that is not just a variant. 184.54.248.55 (talk) 14:12, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Malice isn't the word I'd use... earnest, maybe. Malice would imply that I hated you and I surely don't.  Why do we resist Metric so much?  It's a freedom thing.  Yanks value their freedom and it's quite difficult to convince free people to change their ways without some incentive or disincentive.  Luckilly for Europe, their oppressive governments had no trouble forcing their will on the weak-minded sheeple they oppress.  If you're a carpenter or a craftsman, a Base-12 or duodecimal system simplifies calculations and we're able to build stuff easier with less skilled labor. It's a shame that mathemeticians had 10 fingers instead of 12 or they'd have realized the advantages. The simpleton farmer in America or the illegal-immigrant Mexican building houses in Tucson have no trouble figuring out pitch on a roof thanks to our imperial units.  BTW, my Prussian and Dutch ancestors immigrated in the late 19th century to avoid growing socialist extreemism.  I'll go ahead with the merger.  All you have to do is copy the text, integrate the figures, and redirect the page here.--Asams10 03:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: Redid the article extensively with details from manuals, pamphlets and personal experience with the gun. Included a more accurate development history, construction overview and variant run-down.Koalorka 07:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm assuming you're not a native English speaker? I revised some of your wording. --Asams10 07:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Revision

message: It is considered to be one of the most accurate service rifles available.
Does anyone have any sources to back this up? Articles on guns, quotes from generals, shooting stats, anything would be nice. Other than that, good job people. PBGuardsman 03:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, misread your question.--Asams10 04:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement on accuracy 

message: SIG 556 redirects to this article, however there is not a single mention of the model 556, a civilian model targeted at the US market.--Asams10 04:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it.  The entire upper assembly sans handguard is interchangeable as are all of the fire control parts with semi-automatic versions of the 55X series.  It's true, the lower is aluminum but the upper is identical.  It might be more correct to say that it's an 'evolution' of the 551. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asams10 (talk • contribs).
I don't think it would be accurate to say that. The 556 is a mix of several Swiss 55x series components and American-specific parts that make it compliant with US laws. It's more like a new rifle using the 55x gas system emulating the 551. Koalorka 13:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SIG 556 

message: Would it be possible to know what is the ammunition used in the technical description 
5,6 Milice Swiss (62 grain) or 5,56 Otan (55 Grain)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.218.7.85 (talk) 20:56, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ammo Used 

message: Hi all,
The fire rate can be increased to about 900 «rpm» by ... turning? the gas nozzle to the other position (what should be done only when the temperature is below –10 °C or when the rifle is dirty). Maybe that could be supplemented? Simon 06:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fire rate 

message: Can someone confirm (with references or photos) that this weapon is in service with the Swiss Guard at the Vatican? Casimiro M (talk) 18:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Google for Schweizergarde and SIG 550 or Stgw 90.--Francis Flinch (talk) 19:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Users

message: I believe the SG 550 and variants have been produced in at least two colour variations; black and green (besides the civilian models). Are both of these still manufactured? Perhaps a note could be included in the article. Hayden120 (talk) 07:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes they're still made. The black furniture is sold commercially and to law enforcement, rifles supplied to the Swiss Army are all OD green. There are also receiver colour options, I've seen black, blue and red factory guns (obviously for sport shooting). Koalorka (talk) 02:40, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the reply. Soon after posting this question, I found this brochure, which covers the different PE 90 receiver colour options. This 2009 brochure directly from Swiss Arms also includes options of integral receiver rails and the green/black colour stocks, etc.. Hayden120 (talk) 06:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stock colour options 

message: This is getting bizarre. That single underwater image is drawing undue negative attention to the page. Desist reverting and discuss here. I have no objection to having the image moved down to the gallery or removed from the page altogether. I would prefer to retain it as I find it depicts the weapon in a unique operating environment, even though only a portion of the barrel is visible and the gun is barely identifiable. Koalorka (talk) 14:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I like how it depicts the firearm as unique, but the fact that it is very hard to identify it shows off bad points. I would prefer that we keep it in the Gallery until we choose whether or not to remove it.-- OsirisV (talk) 15:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you discussing it now?  Okay, I don't think it belongs in the article at all.  The firearm is ancillary to the subject of the picture.  You can swim with any firearm.  The Sig 552 has not been demonstrated to be operable underwater and possesses no special characteristics that this picture depicts.  I say no to article, gallery or not. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 16:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit war

message: My feeling is the information is presented backwards and is headache inducing. 772 mm (30.4 in) stock folded (SG 550) is awkward to read; 
SG 550 (stock folded): 772 mm (30.4 in) is much easier to process. English is read from left to right and follows general conventions, which is why I tell you Frank is a 6 foot tall white male, and not that a 6 foot tall male white is Frank. Some guy (talk) 09:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a better system. I wiill try to implement it where applicable. Koalorka (talk) 13:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, thanks. I will try to implement in other articles where I see it is needed. Some guy (talk) 19:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: I know little about firearms in general, but I have what could probably be called extensive user-level knowledge of the SG 550 from my Swiss army service. (At one point, I believe, I could disassemble and reassemble the weapon, blindfolded, in something like 3 minutes.) So I don't know whether I am the intended average reader.
It seems that the discussion is about which and how many subsections the article should have. This does not strike me as a terribly important subject, but in general I suggest that sections longer than four or five paragraphs (currently "Design details") should be divided into subsections if the content is amenable to it. I would therefore prefer the approach proposed by Some guy at .
Speaking as an administrator, I will watchlist the page and sanction any editors that continue the lame edit war about page structure.  Sandstein  09:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Your comments are appreciated. We are having a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#Proposed_modification_of_Firearm_article_structure if you would like to participate. There have been identical problems at MP5 and Steyr AUG though I am currently waiting for the structure discussion to finish before making further sectional changes. Some guy (talk) 10:36, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments by Sandstein

message: Would it be possible to include the government costs of the Swiss Army version as well as the retail price(s) of the civilian version. I think it would improve the article to include those values. On this talk page, a previous editor mentioned USD 3,000. That seems rather high, but I have no way of knowing.--TGC55 (talk) 15:58, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cost of Swiss Army and civilian versions? 

message: This article - Swiss precision from new rifles - details new versions of this rifle family as shown at the IDEX 2011 show. Particularly interesting is the 7.62 x 39 version. Unfortunately I don't have time now to add this new information so I'm placing the source here for others to use. The source is the well known and high quality Jane's Information Group so there's no problem with credibility. Roger (talk) 14:06, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a version based on the American SIG556. 173.34.97.54 (talk) 13:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New versions shown at IDEX 2011 

message: From my experience with and information on the SIG, the information on the rear sights isn't complete.
Besides the white 'distance marks' there is also a "3" setting (written in red) above the "4" that is actually for use in 300 meter target shooting. 
From the user guide: "The red '3' position corresponds to aiming point 'black 6' at 300 m"
This means that the sight is calibrated in such a way that the red 3 setting will strike the bull of the standard Swiss target at 300 meters with a six-oclock sight picture.
Dhagarty (talk) 14:27, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on Sighting 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The terror attacks in Paris were not "a war". Also, if you are claiming "it was used in the 2015 terror attacks", the implication is that the terrorists used this weapon, while I assume the idea is that the French special forces did. It is rather ominous to reduce terrorists attacking civilians and responding anti-terrorist units of the police to two factions in "a war" in this off-handed way. 
And above all, even if all of this is made explicit, you need to cite some kind of source in any case. --dab (𒁳) 08:54, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: "wars" slot in infobox

message: Entire sections of this article have no citations whatsoever. Felsic2 (talk) 20:21, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "WP:CATALOG: excessive and promotional detail; uncited; unneeded self-citations; OR". --K.e.coffman (talk) 03:47, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced material 

message: Yo, I know the full-size SG 550 was introduced in 1986 and adopted by Swiss 1990 and then that compact SG 552 was released around 1998... But when did the carbine SG 551 variant first appear/was introduced? I can't find this info anywhere. --TrickShotFinn (talk) 15:11, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  When was SIG SG 551 introduced. 

message: i'm missing the kalashnikov link here...
why not even mention it? 178.197.197.108 (talk) 20:49, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ancestor