Talk:Battle of Sardarabad

message: How about three revert rule about Nareklm and roob323. They can revert the site how many times then want? This site needs to be protected. Moreover I have a doubt that Nareklm is using other sign in options as well under the name chaldean to keep reverting the same article many times.
:I only reverted 1 time you reverted almost 5 times. Nareklm 00:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess you don't even know your counting numbers go the the articles history page and count how many times me and Narek reverted, than come here and cry about who can revert how many times. By the way thers a comment in your talk page. I'm not done with you. You just got into a mig mess by writing stuff like that in my talk page. ROOB323 00:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That's really good for you! but guess what no one cares you want to school all those years they mean nothing here, with out references there meaningless. Nareklm 00:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ArmenianNY whats your e-mail? ROOB323 00:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: Article needs to be improved. And please neutral sources, not armenianow.com.--Doktor Gonzo 16:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article in terrible condition 

message: * "Battle of Sardarapad" - 4 hits
* "Battle of Sardarapat" - 52 hits
* "Battle of Sardarabad" - 407 hits
Takabeg (talk) 06:37, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Common use in English

message: I think the "Heroic battles of May" is an improper campaign name to include this article in. For one, it is only found in Armenian-language sources; for two, when it is used by Armenians it does not convey a particular proper noun; more like the battles that took place in the month of May. Armenians in 1918 cast the battles as a continuation of the war on the Caucasus Front, where these three battles are already mentioned.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 01:41, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "Heroic battles of May" is used in the websites of the Armenian government, president and parliament. For me, that is enough to make it a notable phrase. Why do you think it's not a proper noun when used by Armenians? Մայիսյան հերոսամարտեր is clearly used for the battles of May 1918. See  "Heroic battles of May" is the collective name of the three famous battles, which is a "larger conflict" than a single battle. --Երևանցի talk  02:24, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also used for almost every battle Armenians fought and showed courage in (Nagorno-Karabakh, during the 1894-96 massacres and the genocide, etc.). While factually true, it is also comes off as a remnant of Soviet historiographical writing, which often fawned hyperbolic praise upon every individual and battle. Most encyclopedias would avoid using that word and to use it as part of a campaign title strikes one as inappropriate and out of place. What Armenian sources use to describe doesn't necessarily mean that it has become common usage. Caucasus Front would be a far more appropriate title.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 03:31, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay then. I have no objection in replacing it with Caucasus Campaign. --Երևանցի talk  04:08, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heroic battles of May? 

message: I have been reading Jacques Kayaloff's account of Sardarabad and am curious about a statement in this article: "Catholicos Gevorg V ordered that church bells peal for six days as Armenians from all walks of life – peasants, poets, blacksmiths, and even the clergymen – rallied to form organized military units." According to Kayaloff this never happened. He states that Alexandropol fell to the Turks on May 15, 1918, effectively cutting off all communication for Yerevan. As a result:
"Though on May 16 and 17 there were wild rumors circulating in Yerevan, they did not provoke any exodus of officials or evacuation of the population. Indeed, during the following days not only did the tension abate but it lessened to such an extent that during the fateful days of Sardarabad Yerevan remained unduly calm. The banks and post office opened as on any other day although in the latter the stamp supply was long since exhausted. Even the movie house continued to show one of the time's drab silent films. May 23rd itself went by without any marked event: the young recruits had their regular drills in the yard of the artillery barracks and no new bills were posted on the walls, not even in the front of the Town Hall. That day no news arrived from the front, not even very late at night. Contrary to some of the more colorful descriptions, no church bells rang that day, neither to call for volunteers nor, later, to celebrate the victory."
Kayaloff then goes on to write about the difficulty of getting accurate first hand accounts of the battle, criticizing articles written decades after the fact full of claims that are of dubious authenticity. He says:
A rather popular article for general reader consumption was printed in the May, 1968, issue of the Yerevan monthly called Soviet Armenia. Written by a historian, A. N. Mnatsakanian, the article is entitled "The Decisive Battle of the Armenian People". It contains a sketchy description of the engagement at Sardarabad and specifies the Armenian losses during the battle as reaching the 1,800 figure while the Turkish losses he puts at 3,000 dead left on the battlefield. Neither the units involved nor their commanders are indicated in the article. Among the heroes mentioned in the article the name of Sakelary was the only one familiar to this author ... It would be interesting to learn the sources of some of the more romantic details given by Mnatsakanian because the actual events had a more prosaic overtone. No bells were ringing, no volunteers rushed to the front, no appeals were made from the church pulpits in Yerevan between May 20 and 26. The battle was fought at a day's walking distance from Yerevan. No means of communications existed between the actual battle ground and the town except, on foot, in blazing sun, through the unfriendly villages of the Zangibazar district. (both quotes come from Kayaloff, Jacques. The Battle of Sardarabad. The Hague: Mouton, 1973.)
I do not have a copy of Bobelian's book in front of me to see if he is citing Mnatsakanian's account, but unless Kayaloff is outright lying the claim that the bells rang in Yerevan for 6 days feels a bit like apocrypha to me. Xenomorph erotica (talk) 19:58, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Were The Bells Ringing?

message: There is currently a sentence in the article that goes as follows: 
  On 27–28 May, Pandukht's squad weighed heavily upon smaller Turkish units, passed through Talin, Gyuzlu and Kirmizlu to rapidly penetrate into Sogyutlu, where Pandukht was joined by a local 1000-member squad.
"Kirmizlu" here redirects to Karmrashen (former village) in southern Aragatsotn province.
I believe the writer actually intended to link to Karmrashen, Aragatsotn (from northern Aragatsotn province) for the following reasons:
* Northern Karmrashen has a version in its history that said that it was "known as Kirmizlu until 1946", which southern Karmrashen does not.
* Northern Karmrashen has stronger geographic proximity to the other towns mentioned in the sentence than southern Karmrashen.
I can not access the actual source to make more sense of the situation, but based on the above i will be changing the link. Koopinator (talk) 18:25, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kirmizlu