Talk:ENTJ

message: I just deleted the descriptions on all of these personality types.  A lot of them were copyvios from different sources, several of them being from http://www.geocities.com/lifexplore/ , where they may or may not have been copied from other locations.  Nonetheless, the three theories of MBTI, Keirsey Temperaments, and Socionics are quite different and require different descriptions of types, functions, relations, and other concepts.  Socionics especially differs from the other two.  The three theories should all be expanded upon in Wikipedia, but it is impossible to do this while there is a conglomeration of these three theories and they are treated as one and the same. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 01:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Type Descriptions 

message: Unless some citation or explanation is provided for the three unscourced personality traits, I am probably going to delete them on the grounds that these are subjective, unverifiable, and in need of some citation. For now I will just put down "citation needed." --71.103.166.144 03:40, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Personality Traits

message: There are some.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 14:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: references

message: In her keynote presentation to College Media Advisers '08, Valerie Plame Wilson said her CIA job application involved a Myers-Briggs personality test, revealing she was "off the charts" as an ENTJ. If someone can write up a citation for this and include it ...
128.113.242.136 (talk) 19:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I never heard anything to suggest "off the charts", but I do remember that (like most field agents) she was classified as ENTJ AVKent882 (talk) 22:12, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Valerie Plame Wilson

message: I strongly recommend that this section be deleted. The information may be fun, but it has no place in an encyclopedia. There's no factual basis for the claim that Napoleon, for example, was an ENTJ. Such unscientific speculation is fodder for skeptics. It screams 'pop psyschology' and casts doubt on the integrity of the entire system. A link to the Keirsey site would make the information available to interested readers without undermining the validity of this article. ThreeOfCups (talk) 02:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved list to Fieldmarshal article and added reference. ThreeOfCups (talk) 02:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Removed. ThreeOfCups (talk) 23:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

text: I reworded the caption to remove speculation about type and focus instead on personality traits. If you have a reliable source that cites a well-known person who has confirmed being an ENTJ, please don't hesitate to add it. ThreeOfCups (talk) 23:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Moved  this section under Characteristics and  used only Keirsey examples.  Keirsey's theory is based on behavior, which  is observable, while the  MBTI is based on cognitive functions, that is,  how people prefer to use  their minds. It is unethical for MBTI  practitioners to speculate about  a person's type according to the  principle of "own best fit."  Moreover, MBTI practitioner websites are  grossly inconsistent in their  conclusions. This sort of unencyclopedic  speculation has no place on  Wikipedia. (The contention over the MBTI type of Jesus of Nazareth is a perfect example of how inappropriate this guessing game is for an encyclopedia.) ThreeOfCups (talk) 20:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  How did Jim Carrey and Teri Hatcher get classified as ENTJ?  I could possibly understand Cleese as he's a more forceful personality -- but how did this get verified? AVKent882 (talk) 12:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable ENTJs 

message: I created templates for text that's the same across all 16 type articles to eliminate the hours of work it takes to update the same text 16 times. This is a recommended use for templates according to Wikipedia policy WM:TEMP. 
To edit the templates: 
1. Click the Edit link on the section of the article you want to change. 
2. Select and copy the title of the template page (the text between the double braces). 
3. Paste the copied text into the Wikipedia search box and press Go (not Search). 
This will take you to the template. Make sure that the changes you make to the templates are appropriate for all 16 type articles! (INFJ, ESTP, etc.) ThreeOfCups (talk) 03:51, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates 

message: The MBTI, Keirsey Temperament Sorter, and related Jung Typology assessments use the original spelling, Extraversion, rather than the modern corruption, Extroversion. In this context, Extraversion is jargon and should be thus spelled. ThreeOfCups (talk) 15:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of Extraversion 

message: For a discussion about the logo and border color, see Talk:Myers-Briggs Type Indicator#Remove or keep the fancy logos from the articles?. Please don't make a significant change to the logo or border color without discussing it there first. ThreeOfCups (talk) 19:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo and border color 

message: The page is in dire need of a cleanup. Parts have very repetetive language, and a lot of it uses excessively informal and opinionated speech ("It's no wonder ENTJ's are loved and valued by everyone."). I think a lot of it is copy-pasted from less formal articles.
I'll try and corrext some of it now. But I haven't really done this before.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.14.107 (talk) 04:46, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: There has been significant activity by one user on this page over the past several days which has significantly impoverished the quality of the page and surely breaks many Wikipedia guidelines.  Besides including unimportant or unsubstantiated information, this content is replete with grammatical errors.  I am not experienced with how to address this sort of activity, which I do not believe is malicious.  I simply want to reach out to someone who is competent and capable of reverting these edits and perhaps speaking to the editor directly.  Thank you.
--CallidusUlixes (talk) 16:27, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted the changes, as they were unsourced.  There are a few places where one can ask for assistance on Wikipedia, but probably the best place to go in a situation like this is a relevant WikiProject, forums where one can discuss issues related to a topic on Wikipedia.  They're generally listed at the top of a talk page, and you can see here that this article has been tagged as part of WikiProject Psychology.  Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Psychology would be a good place, then, to ask for help if you run into trouble on this page in the future.  Wikipedia's help desk can probably help direct you to a better place if you can't figure it out.  The Teahouse, a forum for new users, may also be useful if you have questions about how to use Wikipedia or get around it's bureaucracy.  Of course, you can also contact an administrator for help should you feel lost. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:05, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question for administrator 

message: The other recreational pseudo-psychology systems Socionics and Enneagram of Personality have only a single article. In the meantime it would be beneficial to remove the references of "notable persons of this personality type" seeing as the Myers–Briggs_Type_Indicator is make-believe. 104.228.101.152 (talk) 02:11, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reduce to one article 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Myers–Briggs Type Indicator#Redirects and a new hatnote.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:19, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at [[Talk:Myers–Briggs Type Indicator#Redirects and a new hatnote]]