Template talk:Macedonians (ethnic group)

message: Since when all Slavic-speakers of Greek Macedonia are ethnic Macedonians? There are two links in the template (one mentioning Greece and the other Aegean Macedonians) which both link to the above article. Please remove this irredentist connotation.--Avg (talk) 21:14, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember when we used to have a seperate article? That is when it was linked. BUT; the terms of the merger (Aegean Macedonians and Slavophone Greeks) was that it still would appear in the templates of both Greeks and Macedonians. PMK1 (talk) 14:34, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in template 

message: I've tweaked the display title of the infobox, removing the "(ethnic group)" addition. It's ugly – these bracketed disambig qualifiers are really only technical additions for page titles and should never be displayed inside an article page itself. Also, there's no need for disambiguation within the infobox. Everywhere the box appears, the context of the article of which it is part already makes it clear which "Macedonians" are meant. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:BOLD? I can see a whole lot of reverts approaching. ;-) PMK1 (talk) 12:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm very surprised? Probably it is becouse the weather. :)Makedonij (talk) 14:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title tweaked 

message: Yesterday, I changed the symbol at the top of the template with the national flag of the Republic of Macedonia. User:Mactruth has now restored the lion banner with the reasoning "the symbol was chosen a long time ago". I can see further up this page that the topic has been discussed extensively and that there is indeed considerable evidence that the lion banner is used. I do, however, think that the national flag is more appropriate for this setting. The lion seems to be primarily used by ethnic Macedonians of an ultranationalist persuasion, and it also appears on the logo of the VMRO–DPMNE party. I think that, if a symbol absolutely must be used, it would be better to use the national flag, which is more representative. I suppose we all agree that it is used more often than the lion banner in any case.--Ptolion (talk) 11:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Take it from me, Ptolion. If you want to get anywhere with these Macedonian Wikipedians, it's best to discuss any and every edit you intend to make to delicate articles such as these. Otherwise, a well-meant revision of what is considered a "consesus" will just lead to a shitstorm. ['kɔbɹa]☠ 20:10, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I've always wondered how do we know what a symbol a certain group of people use. And especially how they use it. Do they wear it on their head, tattooed somewhere, or have a T-shirt with it, or maybe a piercing. I've never seen an ethnic Macedonian with the lion or with the Vergina Sun. What I've seen is the national flag. And, yes, it is primarily a party symbol and yes, it is primarily used by ultranationalists (if by used you mean flying flags and having a T-shirt with it etc.)--Laveol T 09:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Well, that was the previous consensus, but a strong POV-pushing effort pretty much stopped any proper discussion on this. --Laveol T 13:41, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll try that then.--Ptolion (talk) 13:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a guess that'd happen. They come and go end edit and call others nationalists and don't care about any discussions. --Laveol T 14:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

text: To talk about solved issue?--MacedonianBoy (talk) 14:25, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Never solved. Just pushed into the template. --Laveol T 14:27, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

text: For people to be disputing it now, it is clearly not a solved issue - there is no consensus. This is ridiculous. No discussion, just fly-bÿ reverts claiming that the fact that it has been in place for a long time means it is somehow now entrenched. I suppose every cloud has a silver lining though: blatantly obvious POV-pushing makes readers doubt the accuracy of whole articles.--Ptolion (talk) 14:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Not solved for two users, only. I think the lion is great solution.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 14:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, so we're two on 1? And it will continue to be like that until you call someone for help. --Laveol T 14:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Playing games?--MacedonianBoy (talk) 14:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: MacedonianBoy, even if that's the case, it means nothing, there is still no consensus. Are you capable of submitting anything more than trollish one-sentence "that's that" remarks and actually move onto explaining why it's a "great solution"?--Ptolion (talk) 14:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

text: That's not what I meant when I asked you to take part in discussions. If you do not intend to write something useful, then why bother writing anything at all? We had a pretty straightforward discussion until you showed up on the wiki, made a fly-by revert and now start the usual anti-discussion here. We've had eonugh of such behaviour, thank you very much.--Laveol T 14:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it went good since there is no Macedonian users that will tell you or stop you to push your pov. I cannot see anything bad in the current flag with lion, or put the proposed COA with the lion on shield. That's fine for me. But removing pictures is far from "normal working on Wikipedia", or it is?--MacedonianBoy (talk) 14:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You obviously don't understand how Wikipedia and encyclopedias in general operate. Information has to be sourced and there is no source that the lion flag, or any other flag, is used more than the nation-state's national flag. The fact that you're even suggesting using a "proposed COA" demonstrates how out-of-touch you are with "normal working on Wikipedia".--Ptolion (talk) 14:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am Macedonian and I know which flags we use on protests, weddings, sport celebrations, music events etc. If you are not familiar with it, learn more about Macedonian culture. I will provide you sources anyway.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 15:08, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

text: As a strong source, take a look at this Macedonian lion gallery and you will understand why the lion is symbol used in the template. The gallery contains images of Macedonian coats of arms, on which this flag is designed. --MacedonianBoy (talk) 15:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We've been through this already. Wikipedia does not care, when it comes down to article content, what you as an editor think. We work on sources, reliable sources that is. No nationalistic mumbo-jumbo and the sort. You should've understood that by now. --Laveol T 20:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbol 

message: This is a template, dealing with topics on an ethnic group. It should not be a copy-paste version of the template on the country. I've removed the history section and added the link to the article to Other topics. That's how all other templates deal with it. --Laveol T 21:41, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section