Talk:List of popes who died violently

message: I am removing John Paul I from the list. The link even says "in dispute," whereas this article clearly indicates a list of murdered popes, period.
John 06:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur, it has been reinserted but I am going to rectify this. There is no evidence to suggest he was murdered- simply supposition.Dunfermline Scholar (talk) 18:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing John Paul I

message: The article should perhaps look into allegations that Pius XI was poisoned. (see Talk:Pope Pius XI, Thief in the Night by John Cornwell). ADM (talk) 10:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pius XI

message: I don't believe Pius XII was murdered, and officially there is no evidence to back this, but the article should maybe look into allegations that Pius's doctor, Riccardo Galeazzi-Lisi, might have been involved in foul play which could have (involuntarily or not) precipitated the Pope's final illness. ADM (talk) 11:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pius XII's doctor

message: I've removed the following
Murdered by cuckolded husbandThe article Pope John XII at New Advent.org says instead that he died eight days after, according to rumour, having been stricken with paralysis in an act of adultery.
All the cited website has to say on his death is
<quote> John died on 14 May, 964, eight days after he had been, according to rumour, stricken by paralysis in the act of adultery. Luitprand relates that on that occasion the devil dealt him a blow on the temple in consequence of which he died.</quote>
Being rumoured to have been killed during adulterous acts is not the same as "Murdered by cuckolded husband"
not when the man has made enemies of  Otto I and Leo VIII
90.197.111.37 (talk) 00:51, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: John XII

message: Does anyone else think the line "This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.' is quite funny in the context of this article -bundabrg 12:21, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Humor?

message: I removed Peter from the list of murdered Popes because he wasn't a Pope, in fact he wasn't even a Catholic. In fact, most of the people on the list were not Popes and should be removed, being Bishop of Rome before 7th century didn't qualify you as the Pope
:Peter is widely considered to be the first Pope.  This is not historically controversial.  Your edit has been reverted. --KRAPENHOEFFER!  TALK  20:21, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Peter

message: Martyrdom was legal execution, and therefore not murder. The title of the page is very misleading. Chris Weimer (talk) 03:04, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The new name is not any better. "Died violently" and "murdered" are two different scopes that overlap. Falling down stairs is arguably violent. Being poisoned is arguably not. So what is it going to be? Elizium23 (talk) 03:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Martyrdom, not Murder

message: Died from injuries due to a rock thrown at his head  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.51.81.66 (talk) 12:49, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pope Lucius II 

message: 1. Pope Lucius II is mentioned in the introduction but does not show in any list.
2. If Saint Peter should be added to this list then it should be called "Pope Saint Peter".
3. The format "235-12-21" is useful but I think "21 Dec 235" is better. Many entries follow the YMD format and should be modified.
4. Pope Caius is described as having been "martyred 296-4-22 but not at hands of his uncle Diocletian". The sentence does not make much sense to me. It seems to imply Diocletian may have not killed him personally. This should be clarified and the sentence should be revised.
5. Pope Pope Martin I is under the list of martyrs. I took a look at his own entry and I do not see a specific indication about how he died. I can only presume he died in captivity. Does that qualify for martyrdom?
ICE77 (talk) 22:44, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: These dates look horrible in this format, we should definitely change them. Also there are several popes where it gives the dates they were elected but not the dates they were martyred, which is an odd omission from a list of martyrs. Richard75 (talk) 22:36, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

text: *I changed the date format to day, month and year - one was in that format already. A865 (talk) 12:54, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments and question 

message: When you look at the actual pages of some of the popes listed, many say "it is unknown if he was killed or if he died of natural causes. The only source seems to be a list of popes published by the Vatican: hardly an unbiased source and I would be very hesitant to use them without qualification for matters related to the early history of the church. ThePlatypusofDoom  (talk) 19:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsure about many of the examples here