Talk:Anime/Archive 5

message: I removed the subgenre references for Hentai under the Genres heading. They seemed unnecessary and detracted from the validity of the article in my opinion. If someone is interested in the specifics of Hentai, they can read its article. Xym 00:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! DenisMoskowitz 04:22, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Good idea! Darkstar949 18:57, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: But i love H-anime:P  >x<ino 10:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Are you talking about Template:Onlinesource2006? That's as close as you're going to get to what you're talking about. - Squilibob 08:17, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be a good idea not to remove talk from the talk page. I know that your question was resolved but it should stay here to be archived so that if someone has the same question again, they won't have to ask it. If you realy want to, you could just use  and  to remove your own talk text if you feel it is no longer current. - Squilibob 00:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: why not leave Hentai in the subcats ?  thats what it is, and it deserves respect, because of the way people use and have used it to get around censorship in japan.Karaveks voice 19:50, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

text: >x<ino 20:05, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hentai 

message: I'm sure that someone would revert it if I went ahead and did it without discussion, but I think the Laputa robot image should be moved to the right side of the See Also section because it is most relevant to that section and in addition it fills the whitespace there. It has nothing to do with terminology where it is currently situated. Anyone agree? - Squilibob 11:01, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well no one is arguing, so I've made the change - Squilibob 10:24, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laputa Robot image 

message: According to the Template:Maintained there are five rules for this template one of which is this
* DO NOT place this template on controversial articles that are easily subject to POV wars, unless you are a certifiable expert on the topic.
The certifiable expert part leads me to believe that the template should not be included, there are plenty of POV wars on Anime - Squilibob 00:37, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You misunderstand the context. In controversial articles (which this section is not), someone is needed to maintain the integrity of the article who knows what they are talking about; such as political, scientific, or religious articles. Basically those that aren't limited to "INUYASHA ROCKS INCLUDE IT!" That said, under the first criteria, any type of problems this article encounters can be resolved effortlessly by those who are in the know. Eluchil 01:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maintain template 

message: Just wanted to add you can find high quality anime at low prices Saturdays on Adult Swim. Carry on--AdultSwim 05:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not spam the Wiki. Eluchil 06:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  note 

message: I have added a note to the page regarding the latest controversy regarding the "National Child Exploitation Coordination Centre" of Canada. They have conflated the concept of anime with hentai, and also conflated hentai with illegal/obscene acts. Most notably, they keep referencing how predators could use anime/hentai to "groom" children for said acts, and several other issues.
I am doing my best not to interject POV or insulting comments in this post, so please forgive the somewhat stiff form I have used. I have placed the note regarding this matter at the top of the page, just below the basic definition, in the hopes that readers of that NCECC report will come here and see it immediately, and hopefully realise that the report is incorrect at best. Also, it is a significant issue, and represents something that the anime community has faced for many years.
--142.110.227.98 15:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not POV the way you have written it and it is good content, the paragraph is significant to genres so I have moved it into the genres section - Squilibob 10:24, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However.. they seem to have removed it; the link is now 404 and it has also been removed from their list of fact sheets. It is still in Google's  cache for the moment if anyone wants to save a copy for reference. Shiroi Hane 01:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, there's an explanation in the forum thread for ANN's article on the subject, people emailed in to complain about the article and received the response "The Fact Sheet has been removed temporarily from the NCECC website so we can review to ensure proper use of the terminology. Sorry for any inconvenience or confusion". Shiroi Hane 04:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

text: And if anyone's still is interested, there's a followup article now on ANN . Shiroi Hane 01:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And the NCECC put it back up keeping all the orginal content the same. They instead corrected the citations so that they included all the ones they used but didn't reference. (Yes the sort of behaviour that gets you kicked out of Universities world wide.)None Error 19:50, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was an error apparently, and although the page was back online briefly it wasn't linked from anywhere on the site. Shiroi Hane 18:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Child Exploitation Coordination Centre Issue 

message: Western movies (even animated ones) seem to be fitted more into reality than anime. Both have their appeal in their archetypal idealism, but while western art tries to fit those dreams into current/prognosed reality, anime creates a world around these archetypes. Or to say it more practically: the worlds of anime do not make scientific sense. Anime helps you only to learn about yourself and your phantasies, it does not suggest ways to apply them to your life.
Take for example the multitude of romance stories in which the hero has unlimited success with females, where every woman or girl is cute - this would be called pulp fiction if it weren't japanese. James Bond is a secret agent against the forces of communism and meglomaniacs - he may be supersmart and superlucky, but Lupon in comparison is out of this world. He is in open machine gun fire range all the time and never gets hit, he does have little mission except looking cool. "Science" fiction movies include such things as people shooting slow-firing rifles in US-civil-war-like rows from massive howering spacecraft. 
The innovativeness of anime lies not in the refitting of known appeal into a relevant setting, but to explore the appeal. Examples are: cute, cool, hot, massive, angry, evil/stupid, mysterious, philosophical. Very few animes break from this. Some are parodies on exactly these stereotypes, such as Excel saga. Others are movies in the western sense, such as Mononoke Hime. I think that things like the Otaku phenomenon are due to this surreality. Anime is a place where you are not bothered with the problems of the world.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ados (talk • contribs) . 5 March 2006
:That's some nice Original Research there. --maru  (talk) contribs 03:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are so many people trying to pit anime against everything, anyway? MasterGrazzt 07:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime vs. western movies 

message: Regarding this line: "manga can refer to both animation and comics (although the use of manga to refer to animation is mostly restricted to non-fans)."  I don't think the word "manga" refers to animations among "non-fans," at least in Japan. I think it's just that definition of manga as anime is not used that commonly among the young people in Japan. For example I know that my grandparents use that term "manga" to refer to anime on TV, but we as younger populations don't really use it. I know it's not really talking about how it's used in Japan but that part kinda caught me. I guess it's not the matter of being fans or not, but if you're the anime generaton or not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.54.155.69 (talk • contribs) .
:It's becoming less common, but anime is still commonly referred to as "manga" by those in their mid-30s and older. Pom Poko indicates it is a "full color manga movie" in its full title, for example. --日本穣 22:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manga