Talk:John Bull (locomotive)

message: That would be highly unorthodox, yes?  There also appear to be some examples of poor grammar, and parts read like a student essay instead of an encyclopedia article.
71.241.85.16 (talk) 05:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are plenty of inline citations now.  Which phrases are of concern? Slambo (Speak) 14:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fetured article, no citations et cetera?

message: The last picture on the page, which appears to be a painting, not a photograph, mentions the date 1981.  Is this correct, and, if so, to what does the date refer?  Was it a depiction of a long-ago time which was painted in 1981?  It hardly seems likely that the scene was supposed to depict the exhibit occuring the year 1981...  -Grammaticus Repairo 17:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes the date is correct.  The locomotive was restored and operated by technicians in period costume. Slambo (Speak) 17:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This image really doesn't look like a photograph to me.  Is it a painting?  If so, why on earth would an artist create a painting of the locomotive being operated by techncians in period costumes that is inteded to depict the machine in the year 1981?  -Grammaticus Repairo 18:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not a painting, it is a photograph.  The locomotive was restored and operated in 1981, the people operating the locomotive dressed up in period costume while they operated it.  From : "On September 15,1981, after considerable analysis, a careful examination by a boiler-inspection firm, and a 1980 trial run on a branchline track in Virginia, John Bull displayed its magic before a rapt audience. Belching fire and smoke under the care of White and colleague John Stine, the locomotive ran on the Old Georgetown Branch rails beside the C&O Canal in Washington." It is that run that was photographed and that photograph is reproduced here.  There are two other photos from the run on that page too. Slambo (Speak) 10:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

text: It is the fact that this locomotive operated after 150 years from its construction that makes it especially notable. Slambo (Speak) 10:58, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct date on picture? 

message: The New York Times had a note about the first engineer to drive this locomotive.  On November 8, 1909, Tatem Parsons, the John Bull's first engineer who was also noted as being the nation's oldest locomotive engineer, died.
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Slambo (Speak) 20:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
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message: Surely no longer the oldest operable steam locomotive in the world though. a) it was last steamed in 1981 (at 150 years old)but is unlikely to be still operable, and b)the Festiniog Railway's "Prince" has been in regular use for 122 of the past 153 years and is still in service
: There are several candidates, so one has to be very careful over precise wording and just what is meant. "Oldest" vs. "longest serving", "working" vs. "in service". 
: WP claims that Fairy Queen (locomotive) is the oldest operating locomotive, despite the fact it's still unsourced that she has been restored to running condition and the article does cite that Express, a sister loco, is both older and more recently operating. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:46, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest locomotive in steam