Talk:Variations of the ichthys symbol

message: It seems to me that some people also use this fish to proclaim their disdain for religion (possibly but not necessarily Christianity specifically).  Should a note be made of this for informational purposes? User:172.159.182.37
:It says so in the introduction.  — Omegatron 02:07, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate uses 

message: I removed an external link with the above description based on the following
: Wikipedia is not a propaganda machine
: External links to commercial organizations are acceptable if they can serve to identify major corporations associated with a topic (see finishing school for an example).
I doubt I need to argue against the definition of "http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/emblems.html" as a "major corporation".  I also removed an image (:Image:Procreate.PNG) from the page for the meantime as it has a copyright status of ; should it be proven that it falls under one of the allowed Wikipedia image copyright licenses, it could then be re-placed.  —  THOR =/\= 08:04, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Comprehensive listing of all Ichthys parodies known to humankind" 

message: With the gout of heretofore unknown differing iterations of a recurring theme, I no longer agree with my previous belief that the existence of these individual derivitives from the original theme (the ichthys fish) need an article devoted to them.
The ichthys fish itself is a notable phenomenon which I believe deserves note somewhere (either its own article, or as it was — a note within the ichthys article).  As none of the subsequent parodies has no more or less significance than another either, the article must be expected to have every iteration of this theme documented with a note of text and an accompanying image; or I/we should know when not to expect restraint on the part of contributors' contributions and deep six the article as a whole and thereby relegate it to a footnote on the ichthys page.  
As such, I am nominating the article for deletion.  —  THOR =/\= 08:04, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  notability 

message: Can anyone find a valid picture of it for uploading onto Wikipedia? --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 09:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  We should also have the picture of that T-rex eating the ichthys 

message: It looks like this article is suffering from link spam. Almost all of the variations listed are available at http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/emblems.html. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a marketing tool. We need to link to a more scholarly website as our primary source. Theshibboleth 09:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link spam 

message: The section on the Trek Fish does not describe what it looks like, and there is no accompanying picture.  Can someone in the know please add either a picture or a description? -- Pennyforth 14:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trek Fish 

message: I am sort of surprised that Phish isn't mentioned in this article.  It seems to me that they have one of the most common parodies around.  Anyone else agree that it should be mentioned here? CharacterZero | Speak 20:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phish Fish 

message: ...if I linked :la:Piscis Darwinianus to here, until we have a proper page describing all the parodies?--Ioshus(talk) 02:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  would it be alright... 

message: Click the link, and you'll see what the problem is. Please fix it. Shinobu 11:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Last Supper 

message: Under "Darwin Fish", there is a subset about the resemblance of said fish to Tiktaalik. While it does resemble it, the actual section, being such a minor detail, and only a few sentences, should be merged with the rest of the Darwin Fish article. 207.7.176.179 17:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiktaalik 

message: While users frequently explain the symbol as a rebuke against Creationism, they also attach religious meaning to it as well.
I find this sentence is questionable.  While the article referenced later may make this assertion, it's likely a misuse of the word "religious", if it is simply as the article describes, "In this latter sense, the emblem gives voice to a mythologized interpretation of biological evolution in which the material development of biological organisms operates as a metaphor for cultural Progress.[1]"
That's not "religious meaning", that's just meaning.  It seems that this is an attempt (as is often made) to associate evolution and supporters of evolution with the term "religious", so that evolutionary theory can be treated simply as beliefs, rather than the result of scientific inquiry, and in doing so places evolutionary theory beside religious ideas like creationism and cdesign proponentsism.  --Synaptophysin (talk) 17:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's obviously "cited POV-pushing". It's one guy's editorial opinion. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Religious?

message: Where are the pictures of all those Truth, eating, evolving-competing etc fishes? Methinks it's a pretty important aspect of contemporary ephemera that should be displayed and preserved in the wiki.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.104.52 (talk) 15:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Copyrighted. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 15:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not enough fish pics, darn it! 

message: Ummm, the Darwin fish stylistically resembles Ichthyostega, which was well documented by 1932. Stating that discovery of Tiktaalik after the creation of the Darwin fish as being ironic is pointless, since the darwin fish wasn't based on it... obviously. I am removing the reference to Tiktaalik, and replacing it with Ichthyostega, since otherwise a complete removal would leave no comparison at all. Ninahexan (talk) 00:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiktaalik- Ironically, Tiktaalik was found long after the invention of the Darwin fish. 

message: Someone needs to start up a new entry for pastor Darwin Fish. That is his real name and he is the founder of a cult called "a true church." formerly known as "God's Word Fellowship." You can see this from []  and [] 
Some refer to this pastor's followers as "Fishites." Darwin Fish claims to be exposing false teachers, which turns out to be everyone in the world but himself. 214.27.58.97 (talk) 13:47, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That name is better than fiction, but there would have to be secondary sources to establish enough notability for a page about him. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:07, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need a new and separate article on Darwin Fish 

message: Is most of the information in the Cthulthu section relevant? It seems to me that it could be cut down to "Cthulthu also has been depicted in a parody of the Ichthys." If readers wanted all of the background information about Cthulthu, they could click on the link and find out. Mr. Granger (talk) 03:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cthulthu

message: Should add a section for the Linux fish (aka Linux shark). Urban dictionary had a half-way decent description. See: pic  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.97.136 (talk) 19:39, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linux fish 

message: Withdrawn. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Variations of the ichthys symbol →  –The page was moved from Parodies of the ichthys symbol to Variations of the ichthys symbol without prior discussion, in order to add non-parody variations to this page. The problem with doing that is that we already have Ichthys, where non-parody variations are already being covered, whereas this page is more specifically about the phenomenon of parody. The page move as well as the accompanying changes in content have significantly altered the subject matter of this page so as to make it redundant with Ichthys, so I propose that we move it back. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:12, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

text: Keep I agree with Bmbaker88’s perspective and I support the Variations of the ichthys symbol title instead of the WP:POVTITLE Parodies of the ichthys symbol, which only represented some parts of this article. Without including the variations of the Jesus fish presented by "both" parties (the religious and the non-religious) the article’s former title and introductory statement violates WP:NPOV. Bmbaker88’s welcomed additions, as well as the renaming of the article balance what previously could be seen as an assault on the Ichthys fish. I appreciate Tryptofish’s recognition of this fact. I should also note that this article already discussed other religious variations of the Jesus fish, such as the “Truth” variation of the Jesus fish, as well as the “Jesus fish swallowing the Darwin fish”. Therefore, in view of this fact, as well as Bmbaker88’s welcomed additions, the new title of the article, Variations of the ichthys symbol‎, is the most appropriate. --BiH (talk) 21:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note that I was saying that it is not an attack. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:47, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

text: Merge - I don't see where there is any gain or clarification by retaining two articles, Ichthys as well as this article. They are both small articles, and the topic could be comfortably accommodated if the material here was merged appropriately into Ichthys. I also think Ichthys should be renamed Ichthys symbol. Ichthys simply means "fish", and need have nothing to do with the symbol. A look round the web shows the symbol is usually referred to as being a symbol or even explicitly as the "Ichthys symbol", and not usually referenced in an unqualified way as "the Ichthys". --Epipelagic (talk) 22:15, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see some value to the merge idea, although the rename of the proposed target page would require a separate discussion. It would certainly cause any issues about the boundaries between parodies and variations to vanish. But let me ask other editors commenting here: would merging the parodies into the Ichthys page actually come across to some readers as more "attack"-like? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:50, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why should "the boundaries between parodies and variations" vanish? I did say "merged appropriately". You could have a section called "Parodies and variations". Or a section called "Variations" and another section called "Parodies". --Epipelagic (talk) 22:57, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I didn't say that! I said it would make the issues about that boundary disappear. But, again, I want to ask whether some editors would find the merge objectionable. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:00, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There are actually other variations of the Jesus fish (the original emblem). Some have the Greek name for Jesus in the center, others have the English name of Christ, while others are empty entirely. I went ahead and added some detail on these variations within the article. Bmbaker88 (talk) 00:46, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

text: I thought of a better solution instead. I changed the redirect target to go to the Parodies section of this page, instead of to the top of the page. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:13, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 20 October 2014

message: I suggest that :File:Jesus_Fish_variation_promoting_Evolutionary_Creation_-_Theistic_Evolution.jpg be cropped. We only need to see the ichthys symbol itself, not the other parts of the car. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:11, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: So you don't like the Cleveland Cavaliers sticker? Just kidding! Yeah that's fine if you crop the upload in order to focus on the emblem. Go ahead :) Bmbaker88 (talk) 21:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I was hoping to get you to do it!  --Tryptofish (talk) 22:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New image 

message: Is the display of the fish symbol more popular in the USA than other countries (and more popular among Protestant Christians than Roman Catholic Christians)? Particularly, is the display of the symbol more popular in the Southern United States than elsewhere? --98.122.20.56 (talk) 23:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity of display in various countries and various Christian denominations 

message: I'm moving the catalog that had been at the end of the article here for discussion:

==Other fish==
[[File:Headless Ichthys.svg|thumb|left|Headless ichthys]]
[[File:Hanged Ichthys.svg|thumb|100px|Hooked ichthys]]
 Parodies have spawned a number of niche markets for fish symbols. A "Viking" fish carrying a shield and wearing a horned helmet, with two ichthys at the end of a spear, (among other variations) is sold on T-shirts and coffee cups. Star Wars fans may choose the "Yoda Fish", which has two top tail sections on either side of the body section,representing Yoda's ears. Buddhist, Hindu, and neopagan examples exist, and a number of non-religious examples have proliferated from political, technical and other fields including the following variations: 666, Alien, Angler, Atheist, Bite-Me, Blow-Me, Budda, Card Shark, Cat, Cthulhu, Cyber Shark, Darwin, Dead Fish, Devil, Dinner, DNA, Dog, Enigma, Evolve, Fish Food, Fishn', Flying Spaghetti Monster, Freud, Geflite, Heathen, Hindu, Hooked Fish, Ixnay, Jeebus, Jesus (w/ feet), Jesus Is Borg, Lawyer, Lutefisk, N'Chips, Pagan, Phish, Pirate, Prozac, Punk, Randi, Rasta, Reality Bites, Robot, Sales, Satan, Sci-Fi, Science, Scuba, Sinner, Ske?tic, Surfer, Sushi, Thor, Trek, Tuna, Vampyre, Veg, Viagra, Wallace, Wiccan, Xanax, and Yoda.A library of fish emblems from evolvefish.com
The only source given is the evolvefish.com link, which is a product catalog page that falls afoul of WP:EL#EL5. jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 05:19, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you that it should be removed. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:43, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Product catalog inappropriate? 

message: edits by anupam were copied directly from the referenced material into the text of the article
37.225.10.47 (talk) 03:19, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You will need to be more specific than that. Looks like properly attributed quotations to me.  please respond. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:28, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: you are totally right, this whole article is just quotes. i am just way too tired i guess. sorry. 37.225.10.47 (talk) 03:50, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  copy paste