Talk:Hokkaido

message: These comments are in reply to this section in the archives. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 02:14, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  (Sorry, I do not know how far to indent here in this section) I added "Ainu Mosir" in the header and intro with the very clear distinction that it does not refer to simply Hokkaido but, rather, to the entire Ainu Country. There is a footnote in the infobox connected to the three instances of "Aynumosir"/etc. directing people to the Etymology section. I firmly believe the Ainu-itak name should be present up front because it is their homeland even if their naming convention does not match with the Japanese and Russian nation-state delineations. I also believe that we can clearly and cleanly explain the distinction between Hokkaido the island and Ainu Mosir the homeland (of which Hokkaido is the largest region), which I think I have done 206.125.79.123 (talk) 20:12, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just a quick additional note: The fact that Hokkaido is just one part of Ainu Country and that Ainumosir does not equal Hokkaido is why "Ainu Mosir" is not bolded. Whereas equivalent names would have been bolded, this remains italicised. There should, however, be a proper Ainu Mosir page (disambiguated and not only of a movie), though 206.125.79.123 (talk) 20:17, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Do not unarchive comments that have been archived just so you can reply to one section that was last commented on nearly 8 years ago. Instead, post a link to the archived section (as I did above for you). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 02:14, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Aynu Mosir

message: If someone wants to update the population statistics, here is the Hokkaido prefecture site with updated statistics (though they are based on juminhyo so they are estimates):
Pinging 
Cheers, Fredlesaltique (talk) 01:10, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Population statistics

message: Can we put the cities, town tables on a separate page? Because it takes up too much vertical space imo. -Artanisen (talk) 11:53, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Put Cities, Towns Tables on Separate Page

message: Like in the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug and places like Huanren Manchu Autonomous County I believe we should include Native names to all regions whether they are recognised or not by the central government, you might say:
"Hardly anyone speaks Ainu, why put in the effort?"
# We have no problem adding place names to areas in other countries with low numbers of speakers, why should we draw the line at ainu? it has nothing to do with native speaker numbers? for example the Manchu Autonomous Counties
# With every language lost we lose 1000 years of history! how many people here can say that they fluently speak Sumerian or Akkadian? there are books that teach you these obscure languages, however it will never be the same as how the original people had it!
# Wikipedia is an Encyclopaedia, things like Ainu Place names should be recorded before its too late
"Ainu isn't recognised by the Japanese government"
And? I can give a list of places where the Federal government doesn't recognise said languages and yet we still transcribe their native names!
# Brittany
# Chukotka Autonomous Okrug
# Huanren Manchu Autonomous County
# Benxi Manchu Autonomous County
# Oklahoma
# Anadyr (town)
# Truro
# Cornwall
# Nunavut
In my humble opinion I believe we should not draw the line for any language that is indigenous 86.30.52.72 (talk) 17:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Your suggesting is like including the ancient Celtic names for British places on the Great Britain page or the United States page with Native American names. Ainu place names have not been used for centuries or more nor officially recognized. Most people, including Japanese in Hokkaido, don't know those names. This would be more appropriate on the Ainu people page. You could make a map of Hokkaido with Ainu place names and put it on the Ainu page. The Ainu language and few remaining ethnic Ainu are moribund. -Artanisen (talk) 12:33, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

text: in the Ainu language "Yaun Mosir" (ヤウンモシㇼ in Kana) is the word for the island of Hokkaidō. the Ainu people also have a name for all of their domain, which included Hokkaidō along with the Kuril Islands, Sakhalin, and parts of northern Honshu, which was Aynu Mosir (), a name taken by the modern Ainu to refer to their traditional homeland. "Ainu Mosir" literally translates as "The Land Where People (the Ainu) Live", and it was traditionally used to be contrasted with Kamuy Mosir, "The Land of the Kamuy (spirits)".
* No source gives an in-depth explanation of Ainu phrases in question. They are just instances of how activists use terms of Ainu language origin.
* After all, you must acknowledge the plain fact that the Ainu had no proper name for the large geographical entity.
--Nanshu (talk) 08:26, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ainu Placenames for Hokkaido? 

message: There is a ridiculously involved and well-done entry on Hokkaido under its former name Yeso here
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that could probably helpfully expand history and historical data here and at related pages like History of Hokkaido, Economy of Hokkaido, &c. It is in French but machine translation is getting better and easier all the time. — LlywelynII 06:34, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for future article expansion

message: In other news, the list of names is still in the wrong place. That's why we built a name section in the first place; we probably only need Ezo in the lead since the others are variants of the same basic idea. It's also still incomplete, missing other variants like Jesso, Iesso, Iezo, Ieco, Yedeo, Esso, Ieso-Gasima, Iesse, &c. as already noted in the archives here. — LlywelynII 06:36, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
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