Talk:Brita Zippel

message: Are there any cites for these assertions? 
"Brita Zippel was no doubt bitter and lonely, disliked by most because of her terrible temperament..."
"Brita reacted to the rumours with her usual rage..."
"During the trial she acted as hostile, angry, and defensive as she always did..."
These, along with this: "Brita behaved very unwisely, cursed the witnesses and even brought a knife to court once..." seem like editorializing on the part of the author. 
As well, is there a cite for this: "[Brita said] she would to begin with take away his cock and then his arsehole, so his shit would come up his mouth for eternity..."?
Kythereia 04:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand what yo mean! I have searched after citations for your questions above; as for the first sentence you talk of, Brita is by all sources described as a woman with a "bad temperemant". It is hard to tell how true this was now, of course, but it seems, that she was at odd terms with many people, had a very bad reputation because of this, often quarreled with people and was disliked by most of her neighbours. This seems to be a fact, as all sources agree on this; it seems, that she had problems with her selfcontrol. But which one was one right in the quarrels, Brita or the people she argued with, is of course impossible to know now - that she had a bad temperament, however, seems to be correct. Her own sister Anna, who was in fact the one person who stood by her side and supported Brita in her powerty, i raported of having warned Brita's husband to marry her, because Brita was a "wicked" woman. That she was lonely seems confirmed, probably by the reason above. Only she can say if she was bitter, though it is likely; she was born in a wealthy family, had married a man that had a promissing career when they married, but soon proofed to have syphilis that ruined him, and she then found herself in the slum.It is verified that she cursed the witnesses in court, and also that she threatened a witness with a knife; or at least, she displayed the knife in court, and said that she would rather be executed guilty of murder than innocent of sorcery; the witness was a woman she had quarreled with many times before. This could, of course, be considered unwise. I think the things above are more or less verified, but you are perhaps right on the matter, that it could be expressed in a better way; the author have written this more like a novel than like an article! Perhaps you would like to correct it, so it can sound more neutral? As for the threat she made to the priest on the execution, the matter is a little more uncertain; this is described in a book about the which trial which is more like a novel; it describes real events in the form of a novel. The events in this book is, by all means, historical, and a lot of them checks out, as it was the intention of that novelist to describe real events in the form of a novel, but still, i can't think that such a book can be seen as entirely reliable; this last thing you question could be correct, as the executions seems to have ben well documented, (as in the case of Malin Matsdotter) i have no idea, but i can't be sure, and i can't swear on it. I don't know enything more about this, but i hope this was of some help! --85.226.235.233 18:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have tried to phrase the article to give it a more neutral tone. I hope it's okay! --85.226.235.233 11:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps the neutrality template can be remowed now? If no one protest, i will remowe it tomorrow! The only thing that remain unsure, as far as i know, is the exact phrasing of what she said on her execution, but that will, i'm sure, be corrected in time, if it is indeed the wrong words.--85.226.235.233 15:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
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