Talk:Perceptions of religious imagery in natural phenomena

message: Rationale :  	The actual article is about something much more specific. I have no idea how it should be renamed, though.
Proposer :             	The Famous Movie Director 01:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved as you suggested; you can still merge, of course. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 06:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: * Suggest Religious pareidolia – or perhaps merge this article with Pareidolia?  David Kernow 01:11, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved as you suggested; you can still merge, of course. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 06:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: This article needs many pictures. --Error 01:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: As this is basically a list, I propose renaming it "list of religious pareidolia". Λυδαcιτγ 21:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent work Shirahadasha. It is still a list, though, so "List of perceptions of religious imagery in natural phenomena"? Λυδαcιτγ 18:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: This entire page, including the title, seems written in a completely POV fashion. The claim that religious patterns are seen "where none intended" is a clear violation of WP:NPOV. The article needs to characterize and describe the various claims of seeing religious visions and patterns in a neutral way. This article doesn't do that. I'd suggest a title change to "religious patterns" or similar, with pareidolia being one theory -- among others -- offered to explain them. Suggest revisting the RfM, seems to have died out for lack of interest in discussing rather than concensus. Best, --Shirahadasha 06:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move and [[WP:NPOV]] problems 

message: Many of the items in the list are completely unsourced. For items that are sourced, in most cases the source describes the phenomena and fails to contain any claim that the particular incident involves pareidolia. The basic thrust of this list seems to be essentially WP:OR. Editors seem to be presenting their own personal belief and opinion about the nature of these phenomena, without bothering to obtain or present any sources for their claims. --Shirahadasha 07:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As but one example of many, this reference doesn't contain anything even approximating a claim that the phenomenon described is pareidolia. It contains claims that the phenomenon is a legitimately religious one, contrasted with a wait-and-see can't-be-sure skepticism expressed by a Catholic priest. Characterizing this phenomenon as pareidolia in the complete absence of any source supporting such a characterization represents a leap of WP:OR specifically prohibited by Wikipedia polices. Best, --Shirahadasha 07:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Not sure what you're getting at here. Perhaps I was lax in thinking it sufficient to link to the pareidolia article here, which is reasonably cited. You're not going to get, for every single news item of this type, a mention of the possibility of pareidolia. Newspapers are not terribly into discussing cognitive psychology. But there are plenty of sources describing pareidolia as a general explanation for such phenomena. It may not get into newspapers, but it's the mainstream scientific view and deserves prominent inclusion, not just a footnote after the listcruft. Check out SkepDic  Anomalistic Psychology: A Study of Magical Thinking  Medical Meanderings  Quantum Leaps in the Wrong Direction: Where Real Science Ends-- and Pseudoscience Begins  Faces, Faces Everywhere, etc. Tearlach 03:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:OR]] problems 

message: A photo, suggesting an image of Jesus, of a dog's bum has been widely seen on the Internet in recent months. Should this be included? I'm unaware whether it has been controversial, but I imagine that some users may find it offensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stanky (talk • contribs) 
:Wikipedia is for info that is notable and verifiable regardless of whether some find it offensive. If the story was in multiple news sources it MAY be notable. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 02:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversial images 

message: I don't know if it is plagarism or not but this article seems to be suspiciously similar to this  entry from Reference.com. The question is who is plagarizing who? Just an observation. Anthony 23:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagarism?

message: Because of the nature of the subject matter it must be very tempting for vandals to make up content. It is, therefore, particularly important that all the content is sourced. I have removed one statement that looked unsourceable and have added a bunch of ((fact)) tags. Unless these statements are sourced soon I intend to remove them. TerriersFan 15:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing and vandalism 

message: I'm a big fan of quantity, but this is kinda silly. I think someone needs to look into categorically pruning the list and finding only the better (bigger?) examples? Just an idea. Imasleepviking ( talk ) 22:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Any examples that are not referenced should be deleted but it seems well referenced. The page can be split into Perceptions of Mary in natural phenomena, Perceptions of Jesus in natural phenomena, Perceptions of Allah in natural phenomena. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 01:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I have added a split tag to the article.  The page is only 38k at present but the split would break it up into logical divisions. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 02:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quantity 

message: This originally started "On February 21, 2007, Ash Wednesday, a kitchen worker at Pugh Elementary School [...]". After boggling for a moment at the remarkable coincidence that the kitchen worker concerned should be named "Ash Wednesday" ("Ash" is a not-uncommon shortening of "Ashley") - even to following the link and looking at the Ash Wednesday disambig page - I decided that I'd made a Garden Path parse error. Hence I inserted "the date of" to fend off false parses. If you think it's overkill, feel free to revert, of course. Kay Dekker (talk) 19:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virgin Pizza Pan 

message: Does being omnipotent come with a, may only communicate through the most rediculous of things? Seriously god, it's time for another plague. Theese people are insane.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.141.89.53 (talk) 14:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  God works in breathtakingly tedious and painstaking ways 

message: I feel that the info on the assorted cases of pareidolia that has been deleted should be listed on a List of religious pareidolia page. There are plenty of less notable lists that attract a small and selected readership eg. List of Transformers UK Comics, List of Ergo Proxy characters. The heavily edited page certainly flows a lot better without all of the cases being listed. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 22:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about a list of....? 

message: Would it be possible to include non-religious pareidolia, such as the one alleged to be of Ho Chi Minh on a Boston gas tank?   Orville Eastland (talk) 04:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-religious pareidolia

message: According to http://www.arsxxi.com/pfw_files/cma/ArticulosR/Neurologia/2002/10/109100206330642.pdf Pareidolia en los códices visigóticos iluminados de Beato de Liébana, A. Martín Araguz, M. C. Bustamante Martínez, V. Fernández-Armayor Ajo, M. López Gómez, Neurología:2002:17(10):633-642  the representation of the writing on the wall in the Visigothic Beatus is the first representation of pareidolia in History.
Should it be mentioned?
--Error (talk) 21:17, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The writing on the wall 

message: I see no reference to support the assertion that the generally accepted scientific view is that such phenomena are examples of pareidolia.  I have toned it down to "a sceptical view" in the intro.  Sergeant Cribb (talk) 21:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pareidolia 

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