Talk:Xbox 360/Archive 6

message: I'm shocked how the X-Box retains your credit or debit card information in the Live Account with no option to remove it, seems like a privacy issue to me. Could someone include this in a new "Criticisms" section of either this or the XBox Live page as appropriate?
: You need to find a reliable source that makes that criticism.  It's not sufficient to write about our own opinions. Nandesuka 15:51, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Credit/Debit Card Issues 

message: I have requested full page protection for some hours until we settle the game library matter. If we need to have an informal poll, we should do it now. Note that, as this may be a precedent for every other console article, maybe a straw poll would be better. -- ReyBrujo 20:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: *I'm not sure if this was intended but I had recently been playing music on my 360.  Without ending the music I put in an original xbox game and it was playing.  Has this been reported to crash the 360 or was this intended despite the 360 dashboard not being available in original xbox games? DarthMaul431 13:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music on original xbox games played through 360 

message: *ATI Xenos: XBOX 360 Graphics Demystified at Beyond3D
*Inside the Xbox 360, part I: procedural synthesis and dynamic worlds at Ars Technica
*Inside the Xbox 360, Part II: the Xenon CPU at Ars Technica
These might make a good article on ATI Xenos, which we could then link to. Nandesuka 14:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested Articles

message: Can we move this discussion to another page? Maybe a subpage? My edit form says this talk page is 93 KB long, which is nearly 3 times the 32 KB recommendation. Most of this bulk comes from this debate, which is crowding out all the other discussion. Dancter 13:17, 7 
September 2006 (UTC)
: I've archived some of the earlier content, including the straw poll on the game list. Hope that helps. Nandesuka 14:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting off 

message: Is it just me or all the sudden vadalism happened here coincides with the announcement of only 500k PS3 units shipped at launch? Kenimaru 21:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen much extra vandalism. There's been quite a bit of edit warring, though. Dancter 13:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a Timing 

message: Xbox360 2 Laptop this is great.--Nemissimo II 15:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1st Hardware Conversion

message: Based on the RfC summary, how about branching the list information and trivia references into a separate list page?  I often see debates about whether to include or exclude this sort of information.  From my own experience, the editors at Joan of Arc reached a very successful solution in creating the list Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc.  Both pages are now featured. Durova 00:56, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC suggestion 

message: MS announced that they will repair any Xbox 360 out of warranty, as long as it was made before January 1st, 2006. If they cannot repair it in 48 hours, they will send the owner a new Xbox 360. Could someone add this to the article.- Delta Spartan 05:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the source for that, but I'm not sure how to fit it into the article.  Anyone want to give it a shot?  --Karafias 20:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  How about in the short Technical issues blurb? It seems like a good place.-Delta Spartan 00:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of Warranty Xbox 360 Repair

message: Hey, I was lookinhg at some of the edit's history, and there is vandalism going on constantly. Why hasen't anyone locked up the page? 66.157.207.33 21:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's more productive to just revert the page and allow ----all---- users who wish to make productive edits do so.70.101.200.243 23:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Why does the ps3 have a separate section for all the "criticism" people have about it, while the xbox 360 is criticism free?  There are plenty of referenced issues people have with it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.138.210.106 (talk • contribs) 
:If you read the article, you will find most of the appropriate criticisms in the right area.  Check technical issues, etc.  If the criticisms are already woven into the article in the places they belong, there really isn't a need for a separate section.  Unless you have some specific ideas that aren't covered in the article.  --Karafias Talk • Contributions 19:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Criticisms tend to be POV and are often hotly debated (whats one persion's criticism is anothers feature). As Karafias points out, the text covers many of the 'criticisms' anyway and it would be duplicating. Also just because it occurs in the PS3 actical is not reason for it to occur in this one (or vice-versa).vortex 08:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: Is the $399 system simply called the Xbox 360, or does it have a name attacted, like "Pro" or "Premium"? Koweja 21:38, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends, it can be called Premium or Pro depending on where you look and the region.vortex 07:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then is refereing to the Pro/Premium system as "Xbox 360 System" in the article accurate enough, or should it be changed to one of the two? Koweja 13:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Microsoft's official names are "Xbox 360" and "Xbox 360 Core", as such the article is perfectly fine. Premium is a retail/fan coined term to differintiate between the system and one of the systems configuriations.70.101.200.243 20:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  System names 

message: This was said by Tim Sweeney of Epic games. Obviously don't use the cquote template, but I think a brief mention of this - it is legitimate criticism - would be npov. . --gatoatigrado 17:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is already mentioned in the Xbox Live article.70.101.200.243 22:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  am I blind - where? --gatoatigrado 02:56, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

text: lol okay. --gatoatigrado 05:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  legitimate criticsm 

message: "The GPU also houses additional capabilities typically separated into a motherboard chipset in PC systems"
: like what? --gatoatigrado 17:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Memory controler for one, there is a few other bits as well. vortex 06:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  question 

message: "The Xbox 360 has an extensive amount of bandwidth in comparison to its competition". 
I hate to sound like a fanboy. I have an Xbox 360 "premium", so don't say anything. But on another level technical incorrectness and distortion is just wrong. --gatoatigrado 17:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: would someone make a reference out of this article? or find one from a better source? thanks. this is in regard to the antialiasing comments. diff. reference. --24.7.86.143 01:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text: "Your other comment is already in the GPU section." I'm sorry, you're right. It is from a "reliable" but highly biased source (Microsoft). That is not IGN's words, they are providing a copy of Microsoft's "competitive comparison" document. It is not the purpose of this article to spread Microsoft propaganda. Please reply on the talk page. Your edit summaries are good so I won't complain yet. --gatoatigrado 05:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: On page 3, this (below) is Microsoft's. The information below the horizontal line, as I am interpreting it, is IGN's comments. --gatoatigrado 05:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This is what appears to be IGN's comments, below the horizontal line. --gatoatigrado 05:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Information coming from a reliable source does not remove it from discussion. I would argue that articles such as http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,25689-2371220,00.html, which are obviously from reliable sources, are biased and conflict with other opinions. The criticism for lack of surface level innovation is one thing, but the "lack of wow factor" because many games are extensions to series started on the PlayStation 2 has been criticized by other users. Indeed, this link is still in the PlayStation 3 article, but it demonstrates how this can be controversial. --gatoatigrado 06:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  pov statements 

message: is it 5 or 6 million? the statistics on the bottom say 5. the cvg box at the top says 6. When this is complete, please rewrite the statistics into prose. --gatoatigrado 17:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  how many consoles? 

message: these are a bit irrelevant in my opinion. --gatoatigrado 17:57, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  irrelevant 

message: From what I've heard(Just a Rumor),it's said that the XBox 360 features the ablility to play any 360 game on it,and it looks as if it were in real life(the graphics).Is that tru? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Conker The Squirrel (talk • contribs) .
: not unless your eyes are very bad. The nvidia CEO said, it will be at least 10 years until "photorealistic" graphics; compared to all hype accounts, I think it's a much more realistic estimate than I have ever heard. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 50. --gatoatigrado 02:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It might be possible to make photorealistic graphics if the senerio were constrained enough. For example having a game like "Hyper Cube" or "The Cube" may allow for extremely convincing graphics. The main constraint may not be the rendering power, but our artistic capabilities, as full rendered movies are not even 100% convincing at this point. --Thax 03:53, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reality Check 

message: The original Xbox was hugely popular for modding. People ran linux on it, people did softmods (like making it into a media center with XBMC) and hardmods on it. I've been looking a lot over the internet, and other than cosmetic changes, or installation of cooling systems, nobody has really succeeded in softmod/hardmod yet. Even if nobody has modded the 360 yet, it should still deserve a mention, no? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.21.35.42 (talk • contribs) .
: it doesn't look like there is a lot of progress. free 60 project. --24.7.86.143 03:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xbox 360 modding 

message: I'm sorry,is Conker:Live & Reloaded playable to the XBox 360 as an Original XBox game with the 360 Hard drive?I mean,if I have the XBox 360,and the Hard Drive,will the 360 allow me to play Conker:Live & Reloaded on it?What I'm saying is,is it SUPPORTABLE?I had Bad Fur Day,but I lost it,so now I'm looking for Live & Reloaded.Conker The Squirrel 16:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you had checked the Backward compatibility section you might have been directed to List of Xbox games compatible with Xbox 360 for the answer to your question, or the official site via reference. --Kamasutra 17:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conker:Live & Reloaded 

message: In the retail configurations description, it decribes the $399 version as having a "premium" chrome finish.  Is there a standardized meaning for "premium" in this context, or is that just marketingspeak?  If it's just marketingspeak, we need to remove the word "premium". MrVoluntarist 05:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It probably is marketing-speak though you could always argue it's "premium" because you pay a premium for it ;) I'd say remove it as it's redundent/pointless. vortex 05:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Roger that. MrVoluntarist 05:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "premium" chrome finish 

message: 9.6GHZ processor,
512MB RAM,
ATI Xenos graphic card @ 500Mhz....
The processor(s) met the minimium requirement for all the Vista version except Premium.
Only that the console was not optimised for the Windows OS,so do u think it would be able to install the new OS(after removing the current OS inside the 360)?
:: No. The O/S is stored on a small flashable area on the x360 motherboard, not big enough to hold Vista. In addition the x360 does not allow arbitrary code to execute. --Thax 16:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Xbox 360 Vista Capable?