Talk:Medical analysis of circumcision

message: Just to update the article, the American Academy of Paediatrics have released a statement changing their position of 1999 which is mentioned in the article, In a statement released yesterday, the academy said the benefits of newborn male circumcision justify access to this procedure "for families who choose it".
It said benefits from male circumcision included the prevention of urinary tract infections, acquisition of HIV, transmission of some sexually transmitted infections, and penile cancer.
It said the procedure "does not appear to adversely affect penile sexual function/sensitivity or sexual satisfaction".
The new stance is a significant change from the academy's neutral position on the issue, which was last stated in 1999. 
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/us-paediatricians-back-circumcision-20120827-24w6f.html
As such the article should be changed to show this new updated position.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sallyanne454 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I started working on this today.  Zad68 03:19, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Academy of Paediatrics back circumcision 

message: I see this article makes a habit of citing old literature, as if the author(s) wished it could one day itself become a review. But that's not how we write a encyclopedia. We largely rely upon recent review articles (WP:MEDRS). Anything older than 10 years should be removed, in my opinion. Biosthmors (talk) 03:12, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I started working on this today, and honestly the article really requires a top-to-bottom rewrite.  This article is now at the top of my work list.  Zad68 03:20, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your work! Just see my comment below. I don't want your time to be wasted. =) Biosthmors (talk) 03:21, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anything old should be removed 

message: What do we need/have to mention here that cannot be summarized at circumcision? I notice there is no other Medical analysis of... article on Wikipedia. Biosthmors (talk) 03:14, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that this article grew out of Circumcision as that article got too large, and the article moved to a summary style.  I wasn't involved in that split-off, but I think that the idea was that Circumcision would have just the most important medical information, and this article would have more room for more in-depth coverage and analysis of less well-covered research results and commentary.  I'm not yet convinced this article is necessary either... several times today I heard myself mutter, "Let's just delete this whole darn thing."  Give me a bit to review the WP:MEDRS sources, if I can't find a good reason to keep it either, I'll meet you at WP:AFD.  Zad68 03:27, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that a merge back to the circumcision article is in order. Most of the material here is non MEDRS compliant material (either old material >10 years, primary studies, or both). Most of the remaining material should fit into the main article. Yobol (talk) 04:57, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why should this article exist? 

message: To check the currency of the sources used to support medical claims, I pulled all the sources from the article, extracted the dates and sorted by year, and the result is in the table below.  If we are generous and liberal with the WP:MEDRS guideline and allow sources from the past 6 years, fully 75% of the sources in this article need to go.  If we're more strict and limit it to four years, nearly 90% need to go.  Clearly the article not only needs a complete rewrite, but it needs to be nearly completely resourced as well.  It was also interesting to find about 20% of the sources were located on anti-circumcision activist sites. 
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dead image link    	Circlist.com
dead link          	Seoul National University
dead link          	DUJ.com
dead link          	Pulsus.com
dead link          	004.cz, Images of Balanitis
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not a reference    	Although the Academy's 1975 statement asserted that "A program of education leading to continuing good personal hygiene would offer all the advantages of circumcision without the attendant surgical risk," the 1999 statement cites a study which found that "appropriate hygiene decreased significantly the incidence of phimosis, adhesions, and inflammation, but did not eliminate all problems."
taiwanese          	Tapei Veterans General Hospital 
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undated awful image	ON.net, Images of Balanitis
undated image      	AtlasDermatologico.com.be, Images of Balanitis
undated image      	LUC.edu
undated image      	Midori-clinic.or.jp 
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2000 dup christakis	A trade-off analysis of routine newborn circumcision Pediatrics 105 (1 Pt 3): 246-9, 2000
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2002               	Naimer SA, Peleg R, Meidvidovski Y, et al. [http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/naimer2/ Office management of penile skin bridges with electrocautery. J Am Board Fam Pract 2002;15(6):485-8.
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2006               	{{cite web| url = http://www.bma.org.uk/ethics/consent_and_capacity/malecircumcision2006.jsp| title = The law and ethics of male circumcision - guidance for doctors| accessdate = 2009-07-23| author = Medical Ethics Committee| year = 2006| month = June| publisher = British Medical Association| quote = Circumcision for medical purposes
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2007               	{{vcite journal | author=Paediatric Death Review Committee | title=Circumcision: a minor procedure? | journal=Paediatr Child Health | date = 2007 | volume=12 | issue=4 | pages=311-2 | url=http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org/pdf/Cairns_2007.pdf | doi= | pmid=19030377 | pmc=2528673 }
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2009               	College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia: Professional Standards and Guidelines: Circumcision (Infant Male) The College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia] (pdf)
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Zad68 18:25, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for doing this. I'll just boldly redirect to circumcision and drop a note at the talk page there. Biosthmors (talk) 18:28, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's bold all right!  I'm happy to have one less problem-fraught article to maintain, thanks.  Zad68 18:52, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome. Biosthmors (talk) 19:19, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review of sources