Talk:Lucy Stone

message: There's nothing in this article about how Blackwell and Stone met, nothing about their wedding on May 1, 1855 and nothing about the Marriage Protest that they had printed up, read aloud and passed out among the wedding attendees. Nothing saying how Blackwell first came up with the idea of the Marriage Protest declaration. Fairly significant event in her life, I'd say. Here are some sources:
*massmoments.org Woman's Rights Pioneer Lucy Stone
*Google Books. Lucy Stone by Alice Stone Blackwell
*Women's History. Marriage Protest - 1855
Hope that helps. Binksternet (talk) 05:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been three months since I wrote the above note, but nobody acted upon it. Fixed now. Binksternet (talk) 03:38, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think given the time period, that the state she married in matters as well. I'm fairly certain not all states would have even allowed the declaration. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 17:55, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure you're right. Massachusetts was one of the most understanding states to be in if non-Quakers wanted a Quaker-style wedding ceremony (without the "obey" part), and Higginson was game for it. I bet an open-minded minister like Higginson would have been able to proceed with the reading of the protest followed by the Quaker-style wedding in another state, so maybe the person of the officiant was important, too. Binksternet (talk) 19:25, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wedding in 1855; Marriage Protest 

message: Sorry about that. I rushed and didn't do a word search of the whole page. Thanks, Binksternet, for catching it. Nick Levinson (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No sweat! The intention was good. Binksternet (talk) 15:38, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  reversion of my addition justified 

message: Recently, Jmillionjpostma has been making some improvements to the article, but I am seeing a shift away from other authors and toward the book by Joelle Million: Woman's Voice, Woman's Place: Lucy Stone and the Birth of the Women's Rights Movement. I don't mind good sources being used to write the article, but I would like to think that this article reflects a wider swath of scholarship than just one author. Recently removed concepts:
*That Stone helped to form the "largest group of like-minded women's rights reformers, the politically moderate" AWSA. This idea is from various works by Andrea Moore Kerr, Bonnie G. Mani, Laura E. Richards and Maud Howe Elliott. I think it is important to emphasize in the lead section that Lucy Stone, in her day, was more popular than Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton, attracting a much larger base of support because she was less radical than they were.
*Stone's father drank too much. From Kerr.
*Details of Stone's rural childhood with various foods described changed to the "opulence" of plenty to eat. The detailed description is from Kerr, the opulence is from Million.
*Young Stone declaring that she would learn Greek and Hebrew to get behind what she thought was a mistranslation of the Bible into English. This concept is from Alice Stone Blackwell, repeated by Kerr.
*"Women studying rhetoric were required to do so by listening to the men debate." This is from Blackwell 1930.
*Close friendship and debate partner Antoinette Brown convince James A. Thorne to let them debate. This is from Blackwell 1930.
*Browne/Stone debate heavily attended and "especially brilliant". This is from Dale Spender.
*Clandestine or secret women's debating society with Brown, Stone and Hannah Tracy Cutler. This is from Andrew MacKay and Anne Firor Scott, pages 11–12 of One Half the People: The Fight for Woman Suffrage, though the reference is not shown in this article. It can be seen at the Hannah Tracy Cutler article.
*Stone's "clear full tone" from Spender 1992.
*"Especially do I mean to labor for the elevation of my sex." From Kerr.
*Menial labor to pay for college. 
*"...[T]he rectitude of the principle which takes away from women their equal rights, and denies to them the privilege of being co-laborers with men in any sphere to which their ability makes them adequate; and that no word or deed of mine should ever look towards the support of such a principle, or even to its toleration." From Spender.
*Other students supporting Stone's refusal. Per Hays 1961.
*Money earned by Stone: $6 per week in 1848, followed by $4 per week. From Hays 1961.
*"Stone earned between $500 and $1,000 a week..." From Kerr.
*Stone's money going to Blackwell who invested it unwisely and lost it. Per Kerr.
I think the article should reflect the work of a broad base of authors. Binksternet (talk) 17:51, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your carefully considered comments. The explanations you provide are valuable in helping me understand why some text was deleted when other text was being added. By the way, there is no policy on Wikipedia about refraining from deletions of article text or references! My intention in posting an overarching question about the recent changes was to find out the reasons for the deletions, to discover if any of the deleted content was seen as wrong, or seen as trivial, or simply moved aside to improve reading flow. Your response is a balm to my concerns. Binksternet (talk) 05:56, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Favoring the Joelle Million book? 

message: I wish to separate one issue from the above discussion. Was there a difference between Stone's AWSA and the Anthony/Stanton NWSA beyond AWSA's larger size? Was AWSA less radical or more conservative by comparison? I keep running into this in various reliable sources which characterize the Stone organization as less radical than Anthony and Stanton's group, though both were of course progressive with regard to mainstream politics of the day. 
*"Lucy Stone and others organize the more conservative American Woman Suffrage Association (AWSA)..." Ashlyn K. Kuersten (2003) Women and the Law: Leaders, Cases, and Documents, page 227. 
*"The two organizations' style was different, in that the NWSA favored a more radical activist approach..." Voichita Nachescu (2006) Becoming the Feminist Subject. Consciousness-raising Groups in Second Wave Feminism, page 66. 
*"The NWSA was considered a radical group at the time... A more moderate group, the American Woman Suffrage Assocation (AWSA) was formed under the leadership of Lucy Stone." Claudia Bryant, in Larry J. Sabato, Howard R. Ernst (2009) Encyclopedia of American Political Parties and Elections, page 449. 
*"The NWSA concentrated on federal politics; the moderate AWSA focused..." Richard J. Evans (1977) The Feminists, page 54. 
*"...the more moderate American Woman Suffrage Association..." Kristi Lowenthal (2008) Conservative Thought and the Equal Rights Amendment in Kansas, page 71. 
*"...the faction led by Lucy Stone and followers promoted an essentially conservative strategy [in comparison to Stanton's]."  Paul Buhle, Mari Jo Buhle (2005) The Concise History of Woman Suffrage, page xxv. 
*"The AWSA focused solely on suffrage issues and also had a publication, the Woman's Journal, which was more conservative than the Revolution. Cheris Kramarae, Dale Spender (2000) Routledge International Encyclopedia of Women, volume II, page 594. 
*"[Compared to NWSA,] AWSA was a conservative organization..." "...NWSA showed its more radical agenda..." Rory Dicker (2008) A History of U.S. Feminisms, page 54. 
*"In 1869 the women's equal rights movement split into the liberal and conservative factions."  Frank J. McVeigh, Loreen Therese Wolfer (2004) Brief History of Social Problems: A Critical Thinking Approach, page 118. 
*"An alternative and less radical group, the American Woman Suffrage Association (AWSA), led by Lucy Stone..." Neil A. Wynn (2009) The A to Z from the Great War to the Great Depression, page 318. 
Anthony herself said on February 17, 1890, to the NWSA board members, "When the division was made twenty-two years ago, it was because our platform was too broad, because Mrs. Stanton was too radical. A more conservative association was wanted." This appears to have set the tone for later historians. In 1904, the leading NAWSA feminists Carrie Chapman Catt, Anna Howard Shaw, Alice Stone Blackwell and Ida Husted Harper wrote, "Lucy Stone and Henry Blackwell founded the more moderate American Woman Suffrage Association (AWSA)..." Binksternet (talk) 18:07, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your carefully considered comments. The explanations you provide are valuable in helping me understand why some text was deleted when other text was being added. By the way, there is no policy on Wikipedia about refraining from deletions of article text or references! My intention in posting an overarching question about the recent changes was to find out the reasons for the deletions, to discover if any of the deleted content was seen as wrong, or seen as trivial, or simply moved aside to improve reading flow. Your response is a balm to my concerns. Binksternet (talk) 05:56, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: AWSA less radical than NWSA?

message: As you have noted, the terms “conservative” and “moderate” are widely used in women’s rights scholarship to describe the AWSA, its agenda, strategy, and members. I think you will find, though, that Lucy Stone scholars do not use them--I think, for the following reasons:
1.  Meaning of terms. In its basic meaning of being be disposed toward preserving existing or traditional customs and conventions, the word “conservative” cannot with any accuracy characterize the agenda or membership of the AWSA, not even in comparison with the NWSA. While focusing its active agitation on winning the vote for women, the AWSA also promoted–especially through the Woman’s Journal, which was its official organ– equal educational opportunity (opening existing colleges and universities to women over establishing separate women’s schools, equal employment opportunities, equal pay, equal property rights, egalitarian marriage, etc. These goals were “radical,” in that they favored drastic change to traditional mores, and sought to go to the root of women’s subjugation. 
	“Moderate,” on the other hand, can certainly be used to characterize the organization, but only in comparison with the NWSA. The AWSA, like the American Equal Rights Association from which it emerged, tried to distance the suffrage movement from Stanton’s outspoken views on prostitution, abortion, birth control, and divorce– all subjects later embraced by 20th-century feminists but which in 1870 were considered extreme and scared away many who would otherwise have supported woman suffrage (see for example, Louise R. Noun, Strong-Minded Women, The Emergence of the Woman Suffrage Movement in Iowa, p. 105).
2. Biased interpretation. The interpretation of the AWSA as being conservative in comparison with the NWSA originated with Stanton and Anthony– in their History of Woman Suffrage (HWS); Stanton’s autobiography, Eighty Years and More: Reminiscences, 1815-1897; and Anthony’s biography, The Life and Work of Susan B. Anthony, by Ida Husted Harper, whom Anthony hand picked for the work and to whom she supplied materials and interpretations. (For a description of Anthony’s role in the writing of her biography, see Kathleen Barry, Susan B. Anthony: A Biography of a Singular Feminist [New York: Ballantine Books, 1988], 323-26. Harper also compiled and edited the final three volumes of the HWS [Ellen Carol DuBois, “Making Women’s History: Activist Historians of Women’s Rights, 1880-1940,” in Radical History Review 49 (1991): 64]). 
	Early writers on woman suffrage history generally anchored their work on the Stanton-Anthony sources and their interpretations, and later scholars accepted and repeated those interpretations. However, Stone scholars who have delved more deeply into primary sources surrounding Stone’s work know that these sources give an incomplete and biased account of that work. Elinor Rice Hays found that the first volume of the HWS would have no chapter on the AWSA at all if Stanton’s daughter hadn’t interceded and put together a brief chapter based solely on newspaper clippings. Hays pointed out in 1967, “In writing their history, Mrs. Stanton and Miss Anthony took possession of the past of the movement, so that to this day they are known as its leaders, while Lucy Stone’s name . . . is virtually unknown (Hays, Those Extraordinary Blackwells [New York: Harcourt, Brace and World, 1967], 254).
	Few historians seem to have recognized the bias that comes from the HWS being written about a divided movement, by one faction in that division. Among those who did were Blanche Glassman Hersh, who noted that woman suffrage history was written by the Stanton and Anthony-led NWSA, which represented “only a minority of feminists.” Hersh quoted a letter from Stanton explaining why Stone’s work had been so understated in the first volume of the HWS: “[Lucy Stone] thinks it desecration of her immaculate being to be even mentioned by such profane lips as ours.  Hence we had decided to say of her what History demanded and no more” (Hersh, The Slavery of Sex: Feminist-Abolitionists in America [Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1978], 72). In 1975, Anne Firor Scott, who also noted that the AWSA was the larger and more active of the two national suffrage organizations but had not been the subject of any historical study. When she made the same observation in 1991, she said that when a history of the AWSA is written, “a good deal of the conventional wisdom may have to be modified” (Anne Firor Scott and Andrew M. Scott, One Half the People: The Fight for Woman Suffrage [New York: Harper and Row, 1975], xii; Anne Firor Scott, Natural Allies: Women’s Associations in American History [Urbana, Ill.: University of Illinois Press, 1991], 221, note 66). While I have not kept up with scholarship over the past ten years, I believe that as 2003 the closest thing to such a study was an unpublished 1956 doctoral dissertation on “Massachusetts and the Woman Suffrage Movement,” by Lois Bannister Merk (Harvard University, 1956, Revised, 1961.
	In 1993, Gerda Lerner, one of the founders of the field of women’s history, said: “The History of Woman Suffrage is an incomplete, flawed, and heavily biased assemblage of sources. It distorts the origins of the movement by ignoring or downplaying the role of many activists and antecedent activists in favor of stressing the leadership of a few women. . . . It is also factionally biased in its downplaying of the role of the women [and, she could have said, men] who in 1869 split with Stanton and Anthony, a distortion which is particularly striking in  regard to the role of Lucy Stone” (Lerner, The Creation of Feminist Consciousness: From the Middle Ages to Eighteen-seventy, [New York: Oxford University Press, 1993], 2:269).  
3. Strategies of AWSA and NWSA. The object of both organizations was to win a woman suffrage amendment to the United States Constitution. For a discussion of the two societies’ work for the federal amendment, see Scott and Scott, One Half the People (op cit, 20). 
	After the Civil War, when the idea emerged about using an amendment to the federal constitution to prohibit states from denying suffrage on the basis of race, Stone, Stanton, and Anthony– acting as the National Woman’s Rights Central Committee (reincarnation of the Central committee that organized and managed the pre-war National Woman’s Rights Conventions)– issued a petition seeking a woman suffrage amendment to the constitution as well. As the Fifteenth Amendment was being drafted, they lobbied for the inclusion of sex as a basis on which states could not deny suffrage. Under their guidance, the National Woman’s Rights Convention, which had revived after wartime inactivity, voted itself into an American Equal Rights Association (AERA) to combine work for black and woman suffrage. 
	When Congress passed the Fifteenth Amendment without including woman suffrage, Stanton and Anthony wanted the AERA to repudiate the amendment. The AERA rejected their proposals and voted to reorganize as a woman suffrage association, but only after the Fifteenth Amendment was ratified so as not to imply any opposition to black suffrage. Stanton and Anthony preempted the AERA by calling a meeting of their supporters and spontaneously, without any notice to the several state and local woman suffrage associations then in existence, and forming the National Woman Suffrage Association, which opposed ratification of the Fifteenth (New York Tribune, May 14, 1869; Henry Blackwell to Martha Wright, Nov. 6, 1869, Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College Library; Garrison et al. to Theodore Tilton, April 2, 1870; Hannah Tracy Cutler, “Recollections of Woman Suffrage Affairs,” [n.d.], typescript in NAWSAR; Hays, 207-09; Kerr, Lucy Stone, 140-41; Kerr, “White Women’s Rights,” 61-79). 
	That left the majority of the AERA no alternative but to form their own national organization to work for a Sixteenth (woman suffrage) Amendment, which had been drafted by Congressman George Julian of Indiana, introduced in Congress in December 1868, withdrawn until after passage of the Fifteenth Amendment, and reintroduced it in March 1869. 
	Once the Fifteenth was ratified, the NWSA also took up work for the Sixteenth Amendment, but soon abandoned it to champion a “New Departure” – winning suffrage through judicial interpretation. For the next five years, Anthony spearheaded that effort and Stanton wrote and lectured on the lucrative lyceum circuit.  
	In 1876, after the “New Departure” had played itself out, Anthony joined Stanton on the lyceum circuit to repay the debt she incurred in publishing her  newspaper, the Revolution (which, undeniably, was more radical than the Woman’s Journal. It however, had folded in February 1872, after less than four years in publication, while the Woman’s Journal was the voice of the woman suffrage movement for nearly fifty years). During this time, the NWSA had a very small membership that did very little work. The AWSA, however, had gradually turned its focus to winning suffrage wherever it could, thus building support for the federal amendment. With its much larger membership and a roster of organizing agents, it waged suffrage campaigns in several states. Sometimes Anthony or Stanton took part in these efforts, but they were clearly AWSA campaigns.
	Only in the 1880s, as the NWSA attracted activist women from the growing temperance movement with its appeal that the vote would enable women to outlaw alcohol, did NWSA membership overtake that of the AWSA. When the two organizations merged into the National American Woman Suffrage Association in 1893, the merged association continued the work of the AWSA.
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	Stone scholars generally fail to see how engaging a large active force in several states, making small but positive inroads in gaining the vote for women, and steadily building demand for the federal amendment can be considered at all conservative or more moderate than repeatedly introducing the federal amendment but having it go nowhere for lack of support.
	Because it bases its articles on established research revealed in published secondary sources, Wikipedia is certainly justified in characterizing the AWSA as conservative or moderate. But I think Stone scholars would prefer to simply avoid the characterization without making an issue of it. 
Jmillionjpostma (talk) 22:43, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You make good points. We can characterize NWSA as initially more radical, or simply describe the differences and leave it at that. Binksternet (talk) 02:36, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  AWSA Conservative or Moderate? 

message: The “Early life and influences” section contains the following errors. I have drafted a revision I'd like to post here for your approval.
Teaching
1. Stone taught “to augment her family's income.”
:There is no record that Stone or any of her siblings (Rhoda, Bowman, and Luther also taught) gave their teaching pay to their father except to repay loans from him. The boys earned money to pay the costs of their higher education, and if they needed more than they earned, they took loans from their father, which they repaid with interest. (As of 1846, Luther still owed their father, and Bowman was going to help him pay it off.)
	 
2.  Taught in Paxton in 1837.
:Stone first taught in Paxton during the winter of 1838-39, replacing her sister Rhoda (LS to Frank, Nov. 29, 1838), and received $13 a month. That was what Rhoda had been paid (LS to Frank, Aug. 31, 1838), while brother Luther was getting $21 a month teaching in West Braintree.
:Lucy continued teaching in Paxton several winters (LS Rem., p. 4), possibly 1841-42 and 1842-43, but not 1839-40, when she was at Wesleyan Academy, or 1840-41, when she was at Monson Academy. 
3. Went to Mount Holyoke in 1838.
:No college records indicate Stone’s exact dates of attendance, but the General Catalog of Mount Holyoke Seminary, South Hadley, Mass., 1837-1887, lists her as a nongraduate of 1839. Stone said she went to Mount Holyoke “for less than a year, probably for only one term.” (LS Rem, p. 21). Family correspondence and other records show Stone did not attend either of the first two terms. Stone also said Rhoda died after her return from Mount Holyoke (LS Rem., p. 21), and Mount Holyoke’s 1839 session ended on July 24, one week before Rhoda’s July 31 death (Catalog cited above). Stone could only have attended the last session, April 18- July 24, 1839 (see, Million,  p.285, note 14).
4. Promissory note.
:Stone attended Wesleyan Academy for its full 45-week 1839-40 session (August 21, 1839- July 30, 1840 (Catalogue of the Officers and Students of the Wesleyan Academy for the Year 1839-40, Hartford, 1840). The promissory note Stone signed for a $10 loan from her father was to complete the year at Wesleyan, according to the reminiscences of a niece (Reminiscences of Maria Barlow). 
Speaking Out
5. In March 1838, Stone was called home [from Mount Holyoke] to attend Eliza’s funeral.
:Stone was not at Mount Holyoke at the time of Eliza’s death on March 17, 1838 (see above). 
6. 1838 dating of repaying promissory note, reading Grimkes’ letters, reacting to pastoral letter, membership in Congregational church, Abby Kelley’s lecture, Henshaw’s church trial.
:– Stone took a $10 from her father to complete her year at Wesleyan Academy in the spring 1840, and signed a promissory note to repay him (Rem. of Maria Barlow, cited above) If Stone taught to repay it, that would have been after Wesleyan’s term ended on July 30, 1840 (Catalogue of the Officers and Students of the Wesleyan Academy for the Year 1839-40 (Hartford, 1840).
:– Stone read Sarah Grimke’s letters as they were published in the New England Spectator, to which she and Rhoda subscribed (LS to Frank,  Feb. 28, 1836), and again in the Liberator, copies of which Bowman sent home from College  (In Spectator, July-Dec. 1837; in Liberator, January 1838) . In the summer of 1838, Bartlett brought them in the just-published pamphlet form (LS to Frank, Aug. 31, 1838). By then, she had already been discussing them with Frank, as this letter indicates. 
:– The pastoral letter was issued the end of June 1837, in response to the Grimkes’ lecturing. Kelley did not begin lecturing until 1839. 
:– Stone joined the church along with her father and sister Sarah in March 1839 (A Catalogue of the Members of the Congregational Church in West Brookfield, From 1758 to 1861 [West Brookfield, Mass.: Thomas Morey, 1861], 38-39). 
:– Kelley’s lecture in West Brookfield’s Congregational church was during the winter of the winter of 1841-42.  After that lecture, the minister brought charges against Josiah Henshaw, a fifty-year-old deacon of the church, not for having arranged the lecture, but for entertaining Kelley in his home and driving her to lectures, thus countenancing her anti-church positions on antislavery (“Church Affairs in West Brookfield,” a report of the proceedings against Josiah Henshaw, Quaboag Historical Society, West Brookfield, Mass.). The report shows that the minister’s complaint was submitted to the congregation on March 31, 1842; the charges specified on May 19, 1842; church meetings held over a nine-month period, and the four-day trial begun on March 14, 1893. It also shows that Henshaw was exonerated of all charges, not expelled as Stone later recalled [Woman’s Journal, Nov. 4 1893] and both Hays [27] and Million repeated [51].)
Further education
7. Stone taught and private schools November 1838 to August 1843.
:Stone began attending coeduational academies after leaving Mount Holyoke in 1839 (see above). She attended Wesleyan Academy in Wilbraham (now the Wilbraham and Monson Academy) August 1839-40 (Catalog and Rem. of Maria Barlow, cited above, and LS to Bowman Stone, June 18, 1840);  Monson Academy in nearby Monson, 1840-41 (Catalog of the Officers and Students of the Monson Academy 1840-1841, Springfield, Mass., 1841); and an eleven-week session at Quaboag Seminary in Warren that ended on November 16, 1842 (Quaboag Seminary Catalogue of the Corporation, Trustees, Instructors, and Students for the Autumn Term Ending Nov. 16, 1842, West Brookfield, Mass., 1842; “Order of Exercises at the Exhibition of the Male and Female Departments [of the Quaboag Seminary], Wednesday, Nov. 16, 1842,” both at the American Antiquarian Society; Sarah Stone Lawrence Reminiscences , p. 23). 
 
8. After Rhoda’s death, Stone stayed close to home.
:Stone began attending Wesleyan Academy three weeks after Rhoda’s July 31, 1829, death. 
Jmillionjpostma (talk) 01:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for further revision of "Early life and influences" 

message: At age sixteen, Stone began teaching in district schools, as her brothers and sister Rhoda also did. Her beginning pay of $1.00 an hour was much lower than that of male teachers, and when she substituted for her brother Bowman one winter, she received less pay than he received. When she protested to the school committee that she had taught all the subjects Bowman had, it replied that they could give her “only a woman’s pay.” Lower pay for women was one of the arguments cited by those promoting the hiring of women as teachers: “To make education universal, it must be at moderate expense, and women can afford to teach for one-half, or even less, the salary which men would ask” Nancy Woloch, Women and the American Experience, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1984, p. 129. Although Stone’s salary increased along with the size of her schools, until she finally received $16 a month, it was always lower than the male rate. (Kerr, 1992, p. 23; Million, 2003, p. 19.
This is the text currently used in the article, except that $1/hr was changed to $1/day. I don't understand how $16/mo is more than $1/day, though. There must still be something wrong.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerri Kohl (talk • contribs) 14:05, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Teaching at “a woman’s pay”

message: After completing a year at coeducational Monson Academy in the summer of 1841, Stone learned that Oberlin Collegiate Institute in Ohio had become the first college in the nation to admit women and had bestowed college degrees on three women. Stone enrolled at Quaboag Seminary in neighboring Warren, where she read Virgil and Sophocles and studied Latin and Greek grammar in preparation for Oberlin’s  entrance examinations.Kerr, 1992, p. 28.    Jmillionjpostma (talk) 11:36, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Further education

message: I propose that the entire Temperance section, with its subheadings, be eliminated, leaving Stone's temperance activity summarized in the section on "Widening influence." Stone was involved with the temperance movement for only one year, October 1852- September 1853 -- and only because Susan Anthony asked her to help New York temperance women win the right to equal participation in the (men's) State Temperance Society. While this is a very dramatic and interesting chapter in Stone's work, it is not as important as many other achievements that could be mentioned.Jmillionjpostma (talk) 14:48, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a fine idea. Anything worth saving in that section can be merged into "Widening influence". Binksternet (talk) 16:55, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temperance section 

message: Gives death date as October 19th. However, many sources give death data as October 18. Even this Wikipedia article uses the October 18th date twice in the body of the article. Does anyone have a primary source? Thisdaytrivia (talk) 21:48, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The Kerr and McMillen biographies of Stone both say she died on Oct 18.  That's good enough for me.  I will correct the article shortly. Thanks for noticing the error. Bilpen (talk) 00:57, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death date 

message: I will shortly post a rewritten and expanded version of the paragraphs on the Women's Loyal National League and the American Equal Rights Association, partly to clarify the origins of these organizations.  I also incorporated other information about those years of Stone's life from recent biographies.  I moved the League material to the "Waning activism" section because it fits that stage of her life, and also because moving it there helps keep things in chronological order.  I dropped "great majority" as the description of those who opposed the position of Stanton and Anthony because that isn't the general consensus of historians.  Bilpen (talk) 18:54, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reworking paragraphs on WLNL and AERA 

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