Talk:Print culture

message: Doesn't it seem odd that such a large part of the history of print culture focuses on the American Revolution? This belongs in an American history lesson- it sin't relevant to anyone else in the world, or to the history of printing. why is it necessary?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.54.90 (talk) 17:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll say it does. Any particular reason why you added it and then asked for radical trimming? FreplySpang (talk) 02:12, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I thought it was relevant to print culture in history, but in what I wrote, it seemed the main focus was a bit off and I tried to refocus it, but after I posted it, it seemed like it was still too long and still contained nonessential information. However, since print culture is being replaced by digital media these days, it would seem like a smart idea to give a prime example of its use when it was extremely important in defining an era that produced some of the most influential printed documents in our nation's (and possible the world's) history. I mean, no one else put in anything historical beyond its development. Logically, in a print culture article, it'd make sense to have something between the very beginning and a time when it is fading out . . . RedNitrogen 17:14, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This section does need severe editing, and I've started the ball rolling.  First of all, the term "Revolution" is quite ambiguous -- not only were there many other prior and subsequent political revolutions influence by print culture, but Eisenstein and others use the term "printing revolution" to describe the major changes brought about by the printing press.  When I first saw the headline I thought that's what it referred to, and ended up for a bit highly confused!  So it's now "American Revolution." Secondly, the article's phrasing suggested (to those who don't know their history very well) that Magna Carta had been printed in 1215, so I've corrected that.  Finally, I added a new section on the Renaissance and Reformation which are probably more important in terms of the effects of print culture and for which Eisenstein had described the relationship to print culture.67.188.125.25 23:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Revolution

message: The changes in technology section was a little scatter brained.  It seemed to run through a bunch of different thoughts but never fully developed any of them.
:The advancements of technology in print culture can be separated into three shifts; spoken language to the written word, the written word to printing press, the printing press to the computer/internet. The written word has made history recordable and accurate. The printing press some may argue is not a part of print culture, but, it had a large and substantial impact upon the development of print culture through the times. The printing press brought uniformed copies and efficiency in print. It allowed a person to make a living from writing, and also for those critiquing novels and books. The computer and internet create the third major shift involved in the technological advancements.  Today's technology is changing and evolving at a faster pace than ever before. Some may argue,  that while these advancements in technology seem to push us along positivly they alternatively set us back socially.  While the human computer interaction rises the human to human interaction declines.
 Group 1 20:45, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes in Technology

message: This section was not very specific there was no explination as to how the non-textual forms of print were really involved in print culture.
:Symbols, logos and printed images are forms of printed media that do not rely on text. They are ubiquitous in modern urban life. Analyzing these cultural products is an important part of the field of cultural studies. Because of advancements in print we are able to minipulate other things other than words and letters.  We are now able to create pictures that can supliment or take the place of text. Print has given rise to a wider distribution of pictures in society in conjunction with the printed word. Incorporation of printed pictures in magazines, newspapers, and books gave printed material a wider mass appeal through the ease of visual communication. Another product of non-textual print are roadside symbols, some of which incorporate printed words with eye-catching shapes and colors. This is a merging of pre-print symbolism with post-print linguistic communication. Group 1 20:56, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-Textual forms of Print

message: I know money is printed, but it does not seem to fit into the concept of print culture.  Where print culture is not an emphasis on the act of printing itself (though printing in and of itself is one hemisphere of the matter) the content of what is printed it the matter of print culture.  Money does not store information, transfer, or imply any sort of textual trait--therefore I would consider ditching the money section (though I will leave that for the masses to decide).
: Masses. Right. :-) I would also remove it. The material in that section would belong better in our article about  Banknotes, or perhaps History of money. By the way, please sign your talk comments. It's easy - if you type four tildes ~~~~ the Wiki software will automatically fill in your signature and a timestamp. Like this -> FreplySpang (talk) 21:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Money and print? 

message: I've edited the introduction and some bits below to clarify that "print culture" refers to works of the printing press, in contrast to scribal culture.67.188.125.25 23:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've changed most of the printing-presses back to printing, in view of 1,000 years of Chinese block-printing. The article is ok, but still too dependent on two sources, who seem to push a rather narrow line
Johnbod 20:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition

message: This sections seems totally unnecessary to me, and doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the article.  Is there a good reason to keep it? Or should it be pruned?--lk 19:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In a way, I think it is fine but needs to be reframed and thoroughly referenced. The article can use better discussion of the different print cultures that arose around the globe. For instance, the focus is very Euro-American, when a long print culture can be found in Asia, with moveable type used in China well before Europe. —Caorongjin 💬 17:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Print culture and the American Revolution?

message: :Walter Ong argues that scribal culture cannot exist until an alphabet is created, and a form of writing standardized.
I haven't read anything by Ong yet, but:
1. Can someone cite a specific source for this assertion -- in which book or article did he say this?
2. Did he really say that an alphabet, as opposed to an abugida, syllabary, or  logographic writing system, is essential for scribal culture?  Somehow I doubt it.  It would make sense, perhaps, to say that a general-purpose writing system capable of expressing most of the content of the corresponding spoken language is necessary, as opposed to a specialized system that can communicate only certain types of pre-arranged messages. --Jim Henry (talk) 12:07, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ong and alphabet vs. other writing systems? 

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