Talk:Psychogenic disease

message: If anyone knows the difference between a psychosomatic illness and a psychogenic one, that would be a useful bit of information to throw into the article.
-I agree completely with the above anonymous comment. It looks like only the authors of the obscure book cited at the end have used this term. I propose the article for deletion. Crusio 13:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Psychogenic needs to remain, as it is a long established medical term, and removal creates ten pages of dead Wiki links, or 192 uses in other articles at this time.  I believe the reference to the obscure book cited at the end, added by an anonymous user, needs to be removed, as it confuses the definition, which has long been in use and only refers to a specialized use of the term.  I will go ahead and do that if no one objects. Ralphyde 01:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Psychosomatic cf. Psychogenic

message: i think the first line should be altered to include how a pathogen would trigger it, or something to that effect. Megapeen (talk) 03:42, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  pathogen 

message: This article lacks introductory text, which include a definition of the term. Some examples with explanations would be helpful. At present the article is of little value, the lay reader is left none the wiser.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:2EF8:C250:213:E8FF:FEA8:4C3F (talk) 08:47, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction and definition 

message: (Comment simultaneously posted on the three relevant talk pages.)
There appears to be a disconnect between the definition of "psychosomatic" in use for the Psychogenic disease, Psychosomatic medicine, and Somatic symptom disorder pages.
Psychogenic disease describes it as "illnesses with a known medical cause where psychological factors may nonetheless play a role (e.g., asthma can be exacerbated by anxiety)."
Somatic symptom disorder, which is the redirect for "psychosomatic," doesn't directly reference the word at all in the body of the article, but if we assume from the redirect that the two words are implied to be synonymous, it is "any mental disorder that manifests as physical symptoms that suggest illness or injury, but cannot be explained fully by a general medical condition or by the direct effect of a substance, and are not attributable to another mental disorder (e.g., panic disorder)." Already, these two conflict.
Psychosomatic medicine corroborates the definition used in Psychogenic illness, saying "in contemporary psychosomatic medicine, the term is normally restricted to those illnesses that do have a clear physical basis, but where it is believed that psychological and mental factors also play a role." But it further states that "psychiatry traditionally distinguishes between psychosomatic disorders, disorders in which mental factors play a significant role in the development, expression, or resolution of a physical illness, and somatoform disorders, disorders in which mental factors are the sole cause of a physical illness."
It also appears to use the terms "psychosomatic" and "psychogenic" interchangeably (or without a clarified distinction) without linking to Psychogenic disease.
As Somatic symptom disorder is the redirect for somatoform disorder, this now means Psychosomatic medicine claims two of its redirects are distinct concepts.
This appears to be a tangle in need of cleaning up and I do not know how to approach it. Aliengeometries (talk) 05:50, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of "psychosomatic" across pages