Talk:Steampunk/Archive 1

message: "This perfectly sums up what historical steampunk is trying to encapsulate, and also shows us that the idea of such concepts emerging earlier in our history is a truly terrifying one."
This has GOT to violate NPOV. --69.24.180.217 09:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV issue

message: I don't believe that Sky Captain is Steampunk, it is not Victorian (Steampunk must deal with the Victorian era, it has to feature technology which would be able to run on steam!) Sky Capatin, however, is a sort of "Decopunk" concerning an alternate jazz era (1920s/30s).
decopunk?! no. god no. its PULP OKAY. PULP HERO. if you use that "decopunk" or "dieselpunk" rubbish on Sky Captain, then place it for the Shadow, The Spider, G-8, The Avenger and other heroes from the 1920s to the late 1940s.
:Sky Captain is Retro-futurism. There does seem to be a fad for X-punk terms but there is perfectl well understood term for the genre the film is in. Dieselpunk is either redundant or refers to something different  (Emperor 16:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sky Captain

message: What about the anime "Read or Die"? It takes place in modern or close-future times, but has a definite steampunk feel to it. The 3-episode OVA features cloned historical figures within their own element, including a massive steam-powered sea fortress and rocket and an evil symphony played by a respawned Beethoven. The aesthetic of the OVA -- especially the Royal Library (sort of secret spy organization) is decidedly Victorian. The series that takes place after largely abandons this, until the last few episodes, when the characters find themselves transported into a Victorian london patroled by Wells' Martian Tripods, Doyle's terrasaurs, and other literary features. At the very least, this section delves decidedly into Steampunk territory.
:Well according to the internet, R.O.D. isn't steampunk. If it was, it would be marked as such by places like anidb and animenfo (which classify Last Exile as steampunk). Also, this article isn't a list of everything that could be considered steampunk, it only mentions a few well-known titles that fall within the genre.65.43.215.131 14:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While [R.O.D]. does have elements of steampunk to in it, R.O.D. is not steampunk.  Mostly due to it being set in an alternate 20th/21st Century earth with widespread usage of electricity. Manzabar 19:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with both replies. In particular the one about this not having to be comprehensive. This entry should discuss prominent examples and other steampunk outtings that help explain important points. We have List of steampunk works for more a comprehensive list and till then their steampunk credentials have to be proved on the entry for the film/game/book and not from their inclusion in the list (see the talk page for discussion on removed entries that don't meet the grade). So inclusion of the Stempunk category, Stempunk under the genre and possibly a disucssion on the steampunk themes would work (and they'd have to "stick" as anyone could obviously edit those in but other editors could obejct and remove them as, I suspect, would be the case here). (Emperor 20:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Given that there are many anime TV series/movies that deal with or are set in steampunk universes, why would you want to leave it out? Manzabar 19:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Read or Die"

message: What about the recent Mummy series?  Definitely Gothic and Victorian, with a Fantasy-Horror theme.  Pros: Victorian with mis-placed techology.  Cons:  electricity, 1930s style cars.   Wendell 06:38, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: The Mummy

message: This page must include Mary Shelly's Frankenstein.  It's the first steampunk novel that I am familiar with.
Reid 06:57, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Frankenstein

message: I'm not sure any of the Doctor Who episodes listed really qualify.  "Pyramids of Mars," for instance, is about an alien race that inspire the ancient Egyptian pantheon; in 1911 an archaeologist in Egypt manages to make contact with the (imprisoned) last survivor of that race, Sutekh.  Sutekh gives his new minion instructions on how to construct robot servants... so I guess that's early 1900s robot tech, sure, but that hardly seems to qualify as steampunk.  Same sort of thing with "Talons of Weng-Chiang."
Meanwhile, I'm adding a comic/graphic novel entry to the list...  -- Jay (Histrion) 22:28, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Rise of the Cybermen and The Age of Steel both had significant steampunk influences.  I added The Age of Steel to the article, and I'll add The Girl in the Fireplace right now. DestradoZero 14:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Season 14. The phrase "like something out of Jules Verne" has been used to describe it more than once, so I think you have a point. The same has been said about the cathedral-like console room in the TV Movie. I'm less sure about "CyberEarth" having steampunk influences, though; I thought it was more art deco and 1950s modernism. Zepplins do not a steampunk setting make 8-). Daibhid C 23:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Doctor Who

message: Removed as not steampunk (Reason):
Not all "period" pieces are steampunk. If it is set in the 1930s or later, it cannot be steampunk.
*Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (Set in 1939, petroleum-powered internal combustion engines)
*Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (electricity, petroleum-powered internal combustion engines)
*Dark City  (is alternate reality genre (not steampunk); electricity, petroleum-powered internal combustion engines)
I disagree strongly with the idea that something can not be steampunk if it is set after the 1930s.  This would be like saying that something can't be Victorian if it is set in any time after 1901!  Most Victorian homes in these times were built after 1901, and much of steampunk is set after the Steam Age.  Steampunk can be a setting/tone as much as it is a defined era/genre.  Maybe we should define a "Steampunk Era" in addition to the actual steampunk definition. DestradoZero 14:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: they're not mutually exclusive, but electricity is a step away from the center of steampunk, and when combined with internal-combustion engines tends to move the feel of the story far away from what can reasonably be considered "steampunk". Whateley23 05:46, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not steampunk 

message: Watch me take a chainsaw to the "Classic Steampunk" section...
* Around the World in Eighty Days by Jules Verne
**The 2004 film version is arguably steampunk, but the book definitely isn't. No anachronistic technology - in fact, the whole point is that all the technology in the book was already in existence.
* Journey to the Center of the Earth by Jules Verne
**Can't imagine how this got on the list in the first place.
* The Lost World by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
**Nor this.
* King Solomon's Mines by Sir H. Rider Haggard
**Nor this.
* Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
**Nor this.
I'll leave the H. G. Wells novels for now, but I have my doubts about them too...
--Paul A 04:38, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: More not steampunk

message: Removed Hellsing from the list of graphic novels.  It takes place in the present day or near future.  Any apparent artifacts of Victorian culture are due to vampires, not true Victorianism.--ByrnedHead 21:09, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  whaddya know, not steampunk 

message: I fail to see how Casper is steampunk at all, but I'll leave it to someone else to look into since it's been a long time and I might have missed some of its... steampunk qualities.
Also, Polish users, watch out for the RPG Wolsung... --Silencer 00:25, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Bearing in mind that it's specifically the 1995 movie version in question, I assume the reference is to the secret laboratory in the basement, which does have a bit of steampunk aesthetic to it. I wouldn't have listed the movie as a whole, though. --Paul A 05:04, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: Neither contains anything remotely Victorian. Hellboy, specifically, is set in the modern day, clockworks aside. As for removing a link to another stemapunk site because they reviewed something which doesn't seem to fit the criteria, that doesn't seem to be an appropriate response at all. Whateley23 21:54, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casper? 

message: Why is Dinotopia included?  Overall the books contain extremely little tech of any kind, let alone something that would exist later.  A massive clock powered by a waterfall and very simple airships that are effectively hot-air balloons is the most advanced you get.  The "strutters" that appear in the second and third hardcover books are tech, but from a lost, Atlantis-esque civilization, and powered by the purely fictitious Sunstones, not steam, clockwork, or anything of the sort.
  i completely agree. so, it's gone. Whateley23 23:41, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dinotopia 

message: I love me some World or Warcraft just as much as the next person.
But what, praytell, exactly classifies it as Steampunk? There is very little technology (if any), with the roll usually given to fantastic mechanical devices in most of the Steampunk genre, instead given to the supernatural.
Just a thought.
: The Goblins, Gnomes and Dwarves from the Warcraft games (not just World of Warcraft, but Warcraft 3, it's expansion and the D20 Warcraft pen & paper roleplaying game, especially in the latter, which has a whole manual full of Steampunk-genre technology) have Steampunk-esque technology. Robrecht 15:10, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  WoW?