Talk:Des Browne

message: The powers-that-be on Wikipedia seem to be objecting to official governemnt photos of British politicians being used on Wikipedia as Crown Copyright is not a sufficiently free license. Apparently they are readily replaceable with free images. Not that I can find any. So here's the challenge people. If Des Browne (or one of his colleagues) is going to be in your area and you have a spare minute, grab your digital photos and get snapping! Hopefully we'll get a new photo soon. All efforts appreciated.WJBscribe 01:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've found a free pic for the time being. Taken by a US Def Dep employee. Would be nice to have one where he's vaguely looking at the camera though... WJBscribe 02:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PHOTO NEEDED

message: Can the text of his "apology" in the Commons be quoted in the main article?  It must be one of the most convoluted apologies of all time and is going to go down in history.  --jmb 13:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Apology

message: Not once have I heard him referred to as 'Swiss Des'.  His facial similarity to 'Swiss Toni' is readily apparent - agreed - but the monkier 'Swiss Toni' was applied to him the same day he was appointed in office by a contributor to the ARRSE website.  Even his own staff refer to him as 'Swiss Toni'.  Behind his back, I might add. 82.110.109.212 10:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Swiss Des?

message: not moved. Same rationale as in Talk:Jeremy Beecham. There seems to be little doubt (in the arguments below) that this individual is better known without the title and WP:NCPEER seems reasonably clear that we should use the personal name.--rgpk (comment) 17:44, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose - Known for being Scottish Secretary and Defence Secretary while he was an MP and not as a peer. Also no disambiguation is required for this article title.--Lucy-marie (talk) 18:29, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Support. WP:NCPEER is quite clear. This chap is no longer wholly or exclusively known by his pre-peerage nomenclature. Kittybrewster  ☎ 15:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Oppose for same reasons as given above. Also compare Peter Mandelson, John Prescott, Michael Howard, David Trimble, Tommy McAvoy, Paul Boateng, Jack McConnell etc. Johnhousefriday (talk) 01:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Johnhousefriday could have added David Steel to his list. And James Douglas-Hamilton is commonly known as just that, not James Douglas-Hamilton, Baron Selkirk of Douglas, so that article ought to be renamed, not this one. Scottish politicians who are peers do not go about advertising the fact. For obvious reasons. --Mais oui! (talk) 16:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Comment - This is not a Crystal Ball and what they are currently known is what we have to take as the current commonly used name. If in the future the individual is known regularly by their ennobled title then that would be grounds to change the article title. To though say, it is expected that the names they are known by will change is not how things work on Wikipeida. --Lucy-marie (talk) 17:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

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