Talk:Jack Layton

message: with the NDP on the rise, especially in Quebec, Layton is playing up his Montreal-area origins, being from a suburb (Hudson), and born in Montreal itself... should more be added, with Layton himself promoting it? 65.94.45.160 (talk) 09:07, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quebec 

message: I have supplied a reliable source (since reverted) that Layton took the oath as Leader of the Official Opposition on May 18. There are *numerous* reliable sources that state such. There is an edit war going on regarding when Layton's term began AND when Ignatieff's term ended, with dates after May 18 being used. There is no single reliable source for term start & end - the parliamentary source has not yet been updated (giving only the month of May). A reliable source (already supplied) is the way to shut down edit warring. If it is determined LATER (acc to some other reliable source) that Layton's term start began before he took the oath, then an adjustment can be made later. WP is not about some abstract "Truth"; it is about what can be verified (by reliable sources)--JimWae (talk) 20:54, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compilations/FederalGovernment/LeadersOfficialOpposition.aspx is used as the official source for List of Canadian Leaders of the Opposition. If it were as simple as the day he was sworn in, then the Parliament would say so. Also we don't know if Ignatieff resigned before the same date. 117Avenue (talk) 02:45, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's retroactive to midnight, and so are the Prime Ministers. But this change wasn't made because of one stubborn editor who refused to recognize the cited law. 117Avenue (talk) 19:43, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I'm shocked that it's May 2, I was expecting May 18. 117Avenue (talk) 23:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

text: It will be May 1. Look at the other dates, the change happens at midnight. But for some reason we use the day they resign, which is the same day as the oath. 117Avenue (talk) 01:26, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Term start as Leader of Opposition 

message: Please remember to update the related articles Leader of the Official Opposition (Canada) , List of Canadian Leaders of the Opposition , New Democratic Party , Toronto—Danforth
70.24.246.151 (talk) 13:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And Stornoway (residence) and Olivia Chow. 70.24.246.151 (talk) 13:16, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: There are a couple of pictures from this article, younger Jack and married Jack, that I think should be included here. The pictures are credited to QMI Agency. I don't know if they can be used but I'm sure someone else knows. NorthernThunder (talk) 15:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New pictures? 

message: Suggest adding the following to the last section -
Two days before his death, Jack Layton wrote an open letter to Canadians, to be released after his death.http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/08/22/pol-layton-last-letter.html
If a quote from the letter is wanted, try anything from this (the general section addressed to all Canadians) -
"And finally, to all Canadians: Canada is a great country, one of the hopes of the world. We can be a better one – a country of greater equality, justice, and opportunity. We can build a prosperous economy and a society that shares its benefits more fairly. We can look after our seniors. We can offer better futures for our children. We can do our part to save the world's environment. We can restore our good name in the world. We can do all of these things because we finally have a party system at the national level where there are real choices; where your vote matters; where working for change can actually bring about change. In the months and years to come, New Democrats will put a compelling new alternative to you. My colleagues in our party are an impressive, committed team. Give them a careful hearing; consider the alternatives; and consider that we can be a better, fairer, more equal country by working together. Don't let them tell you it can't be done. 
"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world.
"All my very best, 
"Jack Layton"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.157.247 (talk) 16:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A letter to Canadians 

message: What's with the personal life section here, why is it so short? I know brevity is the soul of wit, but this is ridiculous.  Did someone delete some stuff? I admit I don't know much about Mr. Layton but he seems a colourful character, and I'm sure he's done more than sing some 60s folk songs in his life. I think there should be more on here about his life outside politics. Can people assist in fleshing this bit out? Maybe some bits can be migrated from other sections. Thanks in advance. Kaleeyed (talk) 00:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an immediate fix: , but probably some more restructuring is required. –xenotalk 00:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

text: That looks much better, thanks. I've done a bit of work myself. Kaleeyed (talk) 13:36, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life 

message: The part regarding Jack Layton being in a massage parlor that was under investigation by police should also include the fact that he was found naked after receiving a massage.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.59.216 (talk) 01:13, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As opposed to what? Have you ever been for a real massage? They're always performed with the recipient either naked or in their underwear, at their own choice, under a sheet; it's the norm, not something unusual or worthy of special mention. Bearcat (talk) 03:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  In IP’s world, masseuses are supposed to work on people fully dressed… LMFAO! — TheHerbalGerbil(TALK|STALK), 19:59, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Considering it was brought up 15 years after the fact, the name of the clinic seems irrelevant. The 15 years after the fact is the story, not the name of the clinic. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 17:42, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Massage incident

message: Jack Layton was born in Hudson, Québec not in Montréal, Québec
Rajkbasdeo (talk) 02:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the article, which has this sourced, he was born in Montréal and raised in Hudson.  So do you have a source to make the change? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 03:33, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Hudson is a small town just outside of Montreal; it's entirely possible — even quite likely, especially given that he was born in 1950 when Hudson would have been unlikely to have its own hospital yet — that a pregnant woman from Hudson would be taken to a hospital on the Island to actually give birth. So we'd need a real source to indicate otherwise. Bearcat (talk) 03:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

text: I think he was born in a Montreal hospital, from what I remember of the bio Maclean's published last month. (he was born before Lakeshore General in Pointe-Claire was built; Montreal is closer than Cornwall or Ottawa, Malone NY, other places with likely hospitals) 70.24.246.151 (talk) 05:04, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Rajkbasdeo, 23 August 2011 

message: In all the many articles that mention Layton's death, his replacement as head of the NDP has been made clear, but there's no mention or explanation of how his seat in parliament (Danforth) will be filled.  How is this handled in Canada, and can a mention be added to the article? siafu (talk) 17:10, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: At some point, a by-election will be called by the Governor General, on the advice of the Prime Minister. Seats can often sit vacant for quite a while before that happens. -- yycguy81 (Talk) 17:13, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Within six months, a by-election must be called.PoliSciMaster (talk) 20:27, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify in case anybody's unclear on how this works, the announcement that a by-election has been scheduled has to occur within six months, but the by-election itself occurs another four to six weeks after that. So the seat could conceivably be vacant until April of next year, if the Prime Minister waits until the last possible minute to call the by-election. The by-election, for what it's worth, is very rarely called very quickly after a sitting MP resigns or dies, unless the Prime Minister thinks his party has an especially good chance of winning it — so while anything's possible, I'll be quite surprised if the by-election happens any earlier than January. Bearcat (talk) 00:04, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danforth Riding 

message: The infobox says his profession was 'professor'. Is this correct?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.121.209.52 (talk) 21:15, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Parliament of Canada website identifies him as such, here. (He had a PhD in political science, and was a professor at Ryerson University.) Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 21:20, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profession 'Professor'?  

message: PC, PhD
Chablitt (talk) 02:25, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 02:49, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In the context of the above section, I think the user wants the PhD added to the post-nominals. 117Avenue (talk) 05:11, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Chablitt, 28 August 2011 

message: Is there some reason the quote from Layton's final missive needs to be highlighted in a separate blockquote? An editor called it "highly notable", but that just seems to be personal opinion. As I understand it, blockquotes are supposed to be used for long quotes or for quotes used more as examples or textual illustrations of adjacent text. The quote in the article is neither. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 02:29, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Miesianiacal: the Layton quote received wide media play and is now found on over 150,000 websites, including over 300 that Google displays as news sites. That seems to support the assessment of it being worthy of a cquote.  As well, your interpretation of quotation usage does not seem to be mandated by WP:Quotation.  Best: HarryZilber (talk) 03:01, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Umm, since when is notability of a quote relevant to anything? No one is even questioning the inclusion of the quotation in the article, and while notability isn't a criterion for inclusion of a quote, it is the closest notability could get to making sense here. While WP:Quotation doesn't seem to say anything to support Mies, that may be because it isn't actually relevant. Rather, you should look to WP:MOS#Block quotations, which says they are for long quotes.  shouldn't be used for normal block quotations at all; rather it is reserved for pull quotes, which is certainly not how the quote from the letter is used. -Rrius (talk) 04:05, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Mmm.. I guess "quotes used more as examples or textual illustrations of adjacent text" was my rambling and not entirely accurate way of saying "pull quote". Thank you for raising the proper term. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 04:11, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blockquote 

message: According to the CBC article pertaining to his funeral jack belonged to the Metropolitan Community Church, yet it says United Church of Canada on the article. Should this be fixed?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.166.24.28 (talk) 18:39, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: MCC isn't exactly a distinct denomination the way the United Church is; it's a non-denominational community church attended by people who identify with a wide variety of religious denominations. Although it certainly appeals well beyond its original constituency, its original intention was to be an affirming and welcoming church for LGBT people of faith who felt excluded from their home churches — so it's not really a denomination in its own right, so much as a cross-spectrum community of people from multiple denominations who might still identify themselves as Roman Catholic or Anglican or United or Presbyterian or whatever even while attending services at MCC instead of their "home" churches. So strictly speaking, there's no contradiction — but it's certainly worth clarifying anyway. Bearcat (talk) 03:00, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  He certainly was raised United, and some of his ashes will be going to a United Church cemetery. I do wonder whether or not he did go to a United Church in his later years though. -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:21, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: Jack Layton has been bestow by the prime minister with the title 'right honourable' as oppose to just 'honourable'. Shouldn't the new elevated official title be used as oppose to the older version?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.216.15.80 (talk) 01:43, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Since that didn't actually happen, no it should not be used.PoliSciMaster (talk) 20:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

text: When and why was Jack given the title "honourable"?  It is not mentioned in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MJBloxam (talk • contribs) 05:04, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It came with the PC title, but I thought "honourable" was only applied to alive persons. 117Avenue (talk) 05:39, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Right Honourable title

message: Did it ever get announced what the third cancer was? I remember being told that it spread but to date, no-one's breathed a word as to the type of cancer it was.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.173.83 (talk) 04:32, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The final metastasis. 

message: I just came from St. James Cemetery, where the staff advised me that no portion of Jack Layton's ashes are interred there. The article should be edited to reflect this. fishhead64 (talk) 19:57, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Until there is a reliable source that contradicts the existing one, there is nothing that can be done. 117Avenue (talk) 04:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Possibly the media got it wrong, and it is a scattering, not a burial. The staff wouldn't know about a scattering. 117Avenue (talk) 04:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The response of the person at the desk was a definite, "Jack Layton's ashes are not here."  She sounded like she'd been asked this many times before, which I'm sure she has done.  But, hey, if an inaccurate article is better because the inaccuracy is referenced, who am I to complain? fishhead64 (talk) 05:40, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Burial Site

message: I noticed that a minor edit war has been brewing about whether or not Jack Layton really supports monarchism, as it exists in Canada. He was rather vague in his answers when asked about this, both before and after becoming leader of the NDP. His answers include the following, taken from Citizens for a Canadian Republic --
*"It depends on what you mean by Canadianized. If you're talking about the governor general becoming the official head of state, I'm all for it."
*"I do believe that Canadians struggle, as the years go by, with the issue of relevancy. On the other hand I think we've had Governors General, and certainly our current Governor General would be a good example, of someone representing the Crown - I don't mean an individual but the phenomenon, the concept of our collective statehood - in kind of an interesting way."
*"Canada's New Democratic caucus has not taken an official position on this issue, to this point. This decision could be considered by a future caucus of the New Democratic Party of Canada."
I think that Jack's identity as a true monarchist is in question, as he endorses removing the Queen as Head of State. Until more evidence is unearthed, I would suggest that we remove the listing of Jack Layton from the category "Canadian monarchists" as he did not truly defend keeping the Queen as our monarch, but was in favor of replacing her with the concept of a "collective statehood". --Skol fir (talk) 18:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It took only 4 minutes for User:Bearcat to follow my suggestion -- diff here -- whether he read my above comment or not. :-) --Skol fir (talk) 18:35, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Indeed, without a proper reliable source indicating that he specifically identified his views as monarchist, the category doesn't belong here — the onus doesn't fall on those who want the category removed to prove that he wasn't a monarchist, but on those who want it added to prove that he was one. It's worth noting that the same editor also added the category to Thomas Mulcair at the same time, even though his article doesn't say anything about his views on the subject either. Furthermore, the entire  needs a careful review, as I just randomly checked seven of the 34 remaining articles to find that not a single one of them sourced or even mentioned their subjects' views on the monarchy one way or the other either. Bearcat (talk) 18:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for these remarks. Yes, I agree that categories should be treated in the same way as statements made in the article. They need proof, or anyone could just randomly assign categories to anything they wanted. That goes against the reliability of Wikipedia. --Skol fir (talk) 18:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I've posted a request at WP:CANTALK for some assistance in source checking the whole category. I've spotchecked two more articles since posting my initial comment — one of them actually did contain a proper source for the characterization, but the other one failed that test too. So that's 10 problematic articles in a batch of 11, which ain't good. Bearcat (talk) 18:50, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great! We need to clean up that mess. :-) I don't have time to help right now, but in the next week, I'll try to assist you there. --Skol fir (talk) 18:57, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

text: There seems to be a misconception that because Mr. Layton may have had a different view on what the monarchy means to Canada he is not a monarchist. I feel this view is fallacious. Otherwise the only monarchists would be absolutists since any step away from complete royal control would be decried as *republican*. (Wilson(cc), not signed in) 207.148.131.106 (talk) 22:59, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layton did not fully endorse the "Queen" but the idea of statehood 

message: Jack appeared numerous times on Canadian TV. Most notable are appearances on CBC's satire shows over the years (Air Farce, 22 Minutes, RMR), in addition to frequently being parodied by them.  He also gave a weather forecast on CTV's "Canada A.M." program, as well as doing the "Hip Flip" with Nardwuar on MuchMusic.
In short, there's plenty of material with which to expand this section.  Cheers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HuntClubJoe (talk • contribs) 18:10, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and the Raffi song using the words of Jack's letter to Canadians!  Not a smash hit or anything, but Raffi is reasonably well-known in his own right.  Maybe worth a mention.HuntClubJoe (talk) 18:43, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Another one: Appearance on Marc Emery's Pot TV, talking about cannabis and the failed drug war.HuntClubJoe (talk) 18:45, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section: Jack Layton in Popular Culture 

message: Just a thought. Seeing as Jack has passed away, and a most recent photo is no longer relevant, should we maybe consider using a more representative photo for his article? The gaunt late era look really doesn't represent how most Canadians think of him. I feel like something from earlier in his federal NDP leadership stint would be more representative of how people think of Jack. I'm posting this rather than making the change myself, because I thought it important that others agree. I just think gaunt, late stage Jack isn't how he is generally remembered, and so shouldn't be his article image. Something just a little more vibrant, maybe. 47.54.6.123 (talk) 02:47, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
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message: I think the section on the 2011 Election should mention the slang phrase "The Orange Crush" for the massive success of the NDP (the party with the orange logo).  https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/the-best-premier-of-the-last-40-years/anatomy-of-the-orange-crush-ten-years-in-the-making/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.255.250 (talk) 05:49, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
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message: You missed out on the fact that he was well known in the 2010s for some sort of education reform i have no clue or cant remember about but he listened to the youth of our country and set up for winning the next election but passed away too soon... Darrenvox (talk) 20:04, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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