Talk:Tampa, Florida/Archive 2

message: Someone decided that the comment reflecting the poor sales of the University Square Mall and its status as a semi "dead" mall was an unsourced opinion? It appears that the same person was offended by the fact that the neighborhood was mentioned as "suitcase city". This is a common name for this section of the city, and a citation can be found somewhere, I'm sure. A user has decided that that part of the article was a mere "opinion", but the user who labelled the University neighborhood did not call it "poor", "trashy" or "ghetto" (all of which are biased, opnionated terms) but merely made reference to the neighborhood's semi-oficial name. I suspect this is the same group of people who refer to International plaza as an "upscale" mall (which it is), and the Westshore Plaza as "a upper-middle class mall", so I am a little confused why said persons would be upset by making mention of the University Mall as being the worst mall in Tampa, and the most likely to go out of business in the near future (which it is). A mall is being planned in Southern Pasco county right now, which will be the death of University mall, as many stories have already made plans to pull out of University and move to the new mall. Will the comment about the mall be acceptable to you then?
:I have moved this section to the end of the page, as it is customary to place new sections at the end. I reverted the following from the article page, 
In recent years, many stories, including one anchor store (JC Penny's) have pulled out of the mall due to poor sales. Many blame this on the neighborhood the mall is located in; Tampa's "University" neighborhood remains one of the most dangerous parts of the city, and this section is known as "suitcase city" due its large transient population.
:All material in articles in Wikipedia needs to be verifiable. Edits presenting potentially controversial opinions such as many blame this on the neighborhood the mall is located in, one of the most dangerous parts of the city and  known as "suitcase city" due its large transient population in particular need to have references from reputable, published sources. Please read the Wikipedia policies on verifiability, prohibiting original reasearch and maintaining a neutral point of view for more information. -- Donald Albury(Talk) 17:32, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shopping Centers 

message: I added two radio stations to the list of radio stations in Tampa. They are the ones that say
Christian rock on them. I feel that that section NEEDS to grow, as there are way more radio stations in this area than are currently mentioned. Please do not delete them. If you do, I will just put them right back up again. Later!!! --64.12.116.135 05:07, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radio 

message: Cities with attractive articles (e.g. Seattle, Chicago, Atlanta) do not have long lists of items, like schools, that take up an enormous amount of space that visitors must scroll through. Isn't there another way of doing this, like have a link to List of Schools or something?
Take a look a Louisville, Kentucky which is considered a Featured article  by Wikipedia, as is Marshall, Texas.
Also, unlike other cities, the Tampa article has no notes or reference. It looks like one big commerical advertisement rather than a description of an important and historic city.
Also, what is all that stuff at the bottom about the State of Florida? Does that need to be there?
KarenAnn 13:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tampa article needs cleaning up 

message: Why is a list of shopping centers even included?
KarenAnn 13:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not? Mike H. That's hot 22:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shopping Centers 

message: Should there be any mention of the main Wikipedia servers being here? Just wanted to know.--Chili14 18:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. It's never mentioned on the news. If it was something notable in the community, which also had even an inkling of press coverage, I'd say yes, but nobody outside of Wikipedia would know, and probably for a good reason. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 19:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Servers are here 

message: I have replaced the skyline photo, the last one was obviously photo-shopped, which I believe should not be used.
--Adilettante 04:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skyline Photo 

message: I have twice now removed Official Site this web link inserted by User:Stevenc317 immediately after this internal link: International Arts and Film Foundation. As the International Arts and Film Foundation article exists, and has the web link in it, I see no reason to to included it again in the Tampa article. We do not as a rule insert web links immediately after internal links. I do not intend to engage in an edit war with Stevenc317, but I think this does need to be discussed. -- Donald Albury 01:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Web link to International Arts and Film Foundation 

message: There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada. 
:This proposal would allow for this article to be located at Tampa instead of Tampa, Florida, bringing articles for American cities into line with articles for cities such as Paris and Toronto.--DaveOinSF 18:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However the proposal would allow U.S. cities to be inconsistent with the vast majority of other U.S. cities and towns, which (with a few exceptions) all use the "city, state" convention. -Will Beback 23:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Strong agreement with Will.  I'm even biased in favor of Tampa, particularly since there are so few other cities (if any) with the name worldwide.  However, I'm also a student of the Associated Press Style Book and Libel Manual, and of encyclopedic style.  In each, "city only" nomenclature is generally only conferred on what writers call "world cities": cities whose influence is felt worldwide, such as London, Tokyo, Paris, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Moscow, Beijing, New Delhi, etc.  Tampa simply does not meet the criteria to make it there, at least not yet.  P.F. Bruns (talk) 15:23, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries 

message: Since the discussion page size was over 50 KB long, it was wise to archived previous discussions. Links to previous discussions can be found at the "archive" template on the top section of this page. --Moreau36 00:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most prior discussions are now archived 

message: I just have to ask...why is there a Stealth Bomber in the fly of the Tampa city flag? - Aerobird 22:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good stuff - I didn't realize that there are so many different versions. This info probably should be in the article somewhere, imo... Zeng8r 12:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tampa's flag 

message: The tags I put reflect what was suggested by the to-do list to make it a better article like the featured articles so I am reverting it.--Jorfer 18:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're on the to-do list precisely to avoid cluttering up the article page with tags indicating what needs to be done. So instead of adding empty sections with expand tags and adding "convert to prose" tags to lists (some of which should remain as lists), Be Bold and work on creating/expandng the sections yourself, just beware of wiki-addiction... :-) - Aerobird 02:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tags 

message: Should there be a religion section? Please vote and discuss.--Jorfer 14:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We do not start off discussions of changes by voting. Please read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a democracy, which is policy, Wikipedia:Consensus, which is a quideline, and Wikipedia:Straw polls and Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion, which are still proposals, but reflect the feeling of most Wikipedians that polls (not votes, by the way), should only be used to determine whether consensus has been achieved on a subject. -- Donald Albury 00:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: --70.149.107.121 01:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can tell you're from Florida. It's spelled "Celebrities." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.26.101.71 (talk) 20:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

text: How is it a baseless insult if there is a base (i.e., his misspelling of the word) from which an insult may arise? lol. Macho Man Randy Savage also lives here.
According to the talk page guidelines, there's no place for insults at all, baseless or otherwise. Also, if the original person asking the question had been from Florida, especially Tampa, he or she would likely know what celebrities live here, now, yes?  Recommend we stay on topic here.  Tampa is a virtual mecca for professional wrestlers, both those who grew up here (Hulk Hogan) and those who resettle here and nearby (Chris Jericho, Edge, Christian Cage, and more.
Actress Liz Vassey grew up here; Brittany Snow was born here; erstwhile American Idol pop-star Jessica Sierra also was born here.  "Gone With The Wind" supporting actress Butterfly McQueen, however, is arguably the most prominent.  P.F. Bruns (talk) 19:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celebrities from Tampa? 

message: ok i tried to put tampas music on there but someone deleted it. so can someone please at least mention it!!! its called Jook Muisc
:I hope someone deletes it again, it's terrible and looks like original research --Morthanley 18:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: urbandictionary isnt a legit source --Morthanley 01:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: 170.148.92.42 19:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As is explained in the next paragraph in the article, the likely location of the original town of 'Tanpa' was on Charlotte Harbor, which was indeed in the Caloosa territory. The transfer of the name to the present day Tampa Bay was likely due to confusion by the Spanish when they returned much later to the west coast of Florida. Also, the Timucua territory did not extend to the Tampa Bay area. The Tocobaga were the dominent tribe around Tampa Bay at the time of Spanish contact. As essentially nothing is known of the languages of either the Caloosa or the Tocobaga, speculation as to the meaning of 'Tanpa' or 'Tampa' is futile. -- Donald Albury 01:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The history section was pretty long and has been duely compacted and condensed a bit over the summer. The new info about the meaning of Tampa is good stuff, but probably should be condensed as well. I'm going to cut and paste it over to the History of Tampa, Florida as-is for now and will condense it later if somebody else doesn't do it first. Zeng8r (talk) 16:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not cut out the unsourced stuff, instead. -- Donald Albury 01:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Why? Nothing needs to be cut, just shortened a bit here and expanded upon in the History of Tampa article. There were a couple of uninformed editors inexplicably nit-picking Tampa-related articles months ago, and they successfully (and ridiculously) got the History of Ybor City article deleted because they claimed that it simply repeated info from the parent Ybor City article. I discretely compacted the main Tampa article to avoid similar attacks. Zeng8r (talk) 00:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry if I seemed abrupt. Since the origin of the name Tampa needs, IMHO, a bit of explication, I wouldn't be opposed to just having that info in History of Tampa and ignore it in the main article, but I suppose someone would want to add some version of it back in. -- Donald Albury 16:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of Tampa 

message: I changed the old "map of tampa" to the new one because the old one was quite literally not recognizeable as Tampa. Where is downtown? Where is the bay? where is MacDill AFB or the peninsula it is located on? I can't tell where anything is nor do I even recognize the basic shape of the city limits of Tampa. That was not a map of Tampa at all. Maybe its not of Tampa. Maybe it about tampa but not a map. But whatever it is, it is not a map of tampa. WAS 4.250 18:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The map you keep putting up combines Pinellas and Hillsborough Counties, and shows Hillsborough County divided in some way that does not correspond to the city limits of Tampa. The other map shows the city and census-designated-place boundaries in Hillsborough County, with the City of Tampa in red. This same style of map is used in several other Florida city articles. I'm reverting you again, as the map you put up does not show the City of Tampa. -- Donald Albury 03:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I finally figured out the problem. Your map does not distinguish between land and water for either the boundaries of the county nor the boundaries of the city. No wonder I didn't recognize it. As for being useful, you are fooling yourself that this is useful to anyone for anything. I repeat : this is not a recognizeable map of Tampa. Ask anyone who knows the place. As for me, I'm outta here. I don't stay where I'm not wanted. WAS 4.250 03:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry, but I have to agree with Mort.  They're not of the best quality and not very useful either way.  If you guys want, I can try to come up with something over the weekend.  Anyone else want to try, feel free, and we can see what looks best on Monday. EaglesFanInTampa (formerly Jimbo) 15:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The first map was produced the same way as :Image:Map of Florida highlighting Miami.png, which has the advantage of showing the political boundaries of the cities, as well as their relative location in the county and in the state. These maps were produced by . I suggest dropping him a line to see what can be done about showing shorelines in the maps. -- Donald Albury 13:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Map done.  If you have any issues...please leave me a message. Bastiq▼e demandez 18:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With respect, while your map does show the location of Tampa in Hillsborough County, it shows absolutely nothing else about the city, including, as mentioned, MacDill AFB and various other landmarks.  I realize that this is something you have done on your own time, but I think that the lack of detail is the primary objection people have.  I don't think I could do a whole lot better sourcing from the public domain; I'm just saying that the ma[p you have provided is definitely locational rather than navigational in nature.  P.F. Bruns (talk) 19:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of tampa 

message: Check out List of Registered Historic Places in Hillsborough County, Florida. Some of the places are included in the article, some not. Wanted to let folks know, in case there's any that people think should be added. :) --Ebyabe 20:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More places you can add 

message: A lot of the recently added images seem unnecessary. For example three Davis Islands photos and a bunch of stadium and dome photos should be in their own respective articles, not in the Tampa article. Morthanley 22:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many images 

message: The supercaption over the skyline photo says "Tamp" and I can't believe no one has noticed it before now.  I'm sure it's not supposed to be missing that last A, right? Citizen P 06:58, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tamp" Florida ?? 

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replies: text: ...or I would, if it hadn't been wiped over a year ago.  P.F. Bruns (talk) 07:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use rationale for Image:TampaSeal.jpg 

message: I removed three red-linked items from the 'Attractions' section for the following reasons:
* Florida Aquarium is already listed in the Zoos and Aquariums section (although with a dead external link).
* Ben T Davis Beach strikes me as marginal in notability at best. Let's see a well-sourced article that passes scrutiny before adding that back in.
* Spaghetti Factory is a smallish national chain (approx. 40 locations) with no WP article. We don't list restaurants as 'attractions' in our city articles. -- Donald Albury 09:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your edit, but I have to question the rationale on the last one.  Spaghetti Factory certainly doesn't qualify as an attraction (as it's not Tampa-based; last I knew, it was based in Dallas), but aren't there restaurants around the country that are of significant notability to merit inclusion as "attractions" in city articles?  I'm thinking Columbia (the original in Ybor City, not the chain locations elsewhere in Florida) might qualify, particularly as it's been around for more than 100 years.  See, for another example, Tony Packo's Cafe in the article for Toledo, Ohio. (I have no connection to either restaurant, aside from being a past Tony Packo's customer.) -- JeffBillman (talk) 23:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Items removed from list of attractions 

message: citing the coordinates is helpful, but it would also be helpful to add some info on location relative to other well known cities in florida, and/or perhaps how far down the peninsula it is.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.80.214.27 (talk) 16:39, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  location relative to other cities 

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replies: text: The correct usage for the first sentence in your last paragraph is "If there are other fair use media..." P.F. Bruns (talk) 19:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use rationale for Image:Tampa Snow.jpg 

message: A quick Google search reveals that Tampa Tony enjoys some notability, along with the phenomenon of Jook music (or Jook).  However, I'm not sure where to begin on that, being a total noob to the genre.  Any takers? -- JeffBillman (talk) 03:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Google hits are more or less useless for establishing notability for inclusion in Wikipedia. Please read WP:MUSIC. If you think an article about Tampa Tony can meet the criteria in that guideline, then feel free to create the article. However, any reader who does not agree that he is notable enough can nominate the article for deletion, and articles about marginal musicians and bands are deleted from Wikipedia on a regular basis. -- Donald Albury 15:22, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Honesty, friend, I have no idea.  An anonymous editor had written the edit that I moved to the Music section of this article.  I actually was about to revert the edit when I thought, "Hey, there may be some notability here..."  It's not that Google establishes notability, but in this case it suggested to me that notability could be established.  Bottom line, though, is that it must be established by someone more knowledgeable than I am. -- JeffBillman (talk) 17:10, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, sorry if I came across too hard. You got one of my semi-canned responses. I just see so many attempts to insert non-notable musicians and groups into Wikipedia that my response has become more or less automatic. -- Donald Albury 00:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jook and Tampa Tony 

message: This article has been chopped up pretty good since the last time I looked it over, including the disappearance and/or replacement of many photos and all of the history section after 1856(!).
Is there a grand scheme in the works here or what??? Zeng8r (talk) 03:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored the history section. While it could be improved with a little condensing, cutting it off at some random date isn't a good idea, imo. Zeng8r (talk) 03:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent (?) edits 

message: Since there is now a List of tallest buildings in Tampa, shouldn't the list of the 15 tallest high-rises in the city be removed from the cityscape section? A link to the new article would suffice. Cheers, Rai•me 23:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and removed the list, replacing it with a paragraph about the city's high-rises and providing a link to List of tallest buildings in Tampa. Cheers, Rai•me 13:05, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove the list of tallest buildings? 

message: It seems there were copyright issues with some of the current-day images recently added to the Tampa article. Tampa wikipedians - start your cameras!!! Zeng8r (talk) 23:44, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Big Show is known to live here.--75.65.177.96 (talk) 00:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Wrestler 

message: Seems to me that most of the major articles have IPA Pronunciation help on their names. Though not necessary, I think it immediately grabs attention as a high quality article. Polis4rule (talk) 02:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA Pronunciation? 

message: I looked at the Ann Arbor and Seattle articles, and not only is this one longer, but this one is also a lot more detailed. So the question is, is this article ready for Feature status, or does it need more work? Polis4rule (talk) 02:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's too disjointed at this point, imo, with some sections over-detailed and some lacking. I'd overhaul the text myself if I had the free time and the patience to deal with unreasonable editors, but I have neither. Perhaps somebody else does... Zeng8r (talk) 16:59, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll try to fix up things if you guys would like. That's over course when I get the time. I just need to be pointed into the right direction. Polis4rule (talk) 01:39, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the article now Feature Quality? 

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replies: text: Handled.  Removed image from this article, as there's no need for it to appear anywhere but the originally-intended article, The Tampa Tribune. EaglesFanInTampa 14:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image copyright problem with File:Tampa Trib 10-16-08 front pg.jpg 

message: I changed the climate fact for Tampa, such I did for over 100 other cities to a much better, easier and cleaner fact.
--Mattiss44 (talk) 15:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: This is located in the city of Tampa?  It connects 2 completely different cities.  The photo collage is invalid and needs to be changed.  This article is on the city of Tampa, not Hillsborough County or the Tampa Bay area.  -   Marc Averette (talk) 04:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does lead photo have a picture of the Sunshine Skyway Bridge? 

message: There are way too many pictures on this page, so I have started cleaning them up. Mainly getting rid of the ones that arent about Tampa, but just things that happen to be in Tampa. For example, we dont need multiple pictures of the same thing (like the convention center and skyline) nor do we need a picture for every section. Most of these pictures would be more appropriate in their subjects' respective articles. Also there is too much extra information that does not have to do with the city itself. This is especially true in the sports section which has too much team-specific information which belongs in that team's article, not an article about the city. Morthanley (talk) 03:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page is getting out of control and messy 

message: If you run a google search on IMAX theaters in Florida, you will find there are at least 7, including 2 or 3 in Orlando  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.230.86.19 (talk) 23:38, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There's also another IMAX theater in Tampa, in Channelside. However, the text says that MOSI has the only domed IMAX theater in Florida, which is indeed the case. Zeng8r (talk) 01:51, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "only IMAX theater in Florida..." 

message: Is NOT in the Southeast so why is it listed as one of the four largest cities in the Southeast?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.97.119.249 (talk) 01:35, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Washington D.C.?? 

message: This article should summarize the information about how Tampa was assessed as the worst U.S. city for rampant prostitution as well as syphilis infections among airmen stationed at MacDill during WWII. If none of this information is the article, in can hardly be complete. A phrase came into use at MacDill that went "one a day in Tampa Bay" which referred to an alarming rate of aircraft accidents during training and operations. This phrase should be briefly explained. Some of the info can be found at St. Clair Streett#Tampa, and this report details how the trouble in Tampa led the state of Florida to pass laws for the first time against prostitution as well as against unmarried persons participating in "licentious sexual intercourse without hire." Binksternet (talk) 23:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds like a possibility for the history section (though the adult industries remain controversial throughout the city).  I would encourage you to keep it within context of all the other aspects of the city and not let the negatives from World War II-era MacDill Field take over the entire piece.  Boomshadow talk contribs 00:52, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "The negatives" aren't the point—the notable qualities of Tampa are. At that time, Tampa led the nation in prostitution, and it was acknowledged by Florida Dept. of Health. Same with syphilis in military men stationed there. Notable. The fuss at Tampa was the catalyst for Florida to pass new state laws. Notable. How many catchphrases have been coined with the word "Tampa" in them? I think that makes "one a day in Tampa Bay" worth mentioning. Binksternet (talk) 01:00, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Um, I'm saying it's not notable. I don't see any reason to include this, at least using more than a half a sentence somewhere. The WW2 era is hardly covered at all right now, actually. There are many more important and relevant facts to include for that time period before some obscure report about an obscure topic is pushed to prominence. Zeng8r (talk) 11:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm writing about a city, and something about that city shook the state it was in, or shook the country, that something would be notable. It's like the tail wagging the dog. Binksternet (talk) 14:32, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: I know almost nothing about Tampa more than the article. Setting aside questions of how significant these things were at the time these are historical elements and this article should be predominantly about the modern city. Perhaps these elements are important enough for the history article but I would argue that they are probably too detailed for this article (the current History section in this article needs to be cut down anyway). Regarding the VD stuff it was actually quite common for places with major military installations nearby to have major prostitution and serious VD issues. "One Day in Tampa" sounds like it has a colorful history () but, as I personally have never heard the phrase (implying that to me that it is simply a local expression) I wouldn't say that explaining it is absolutely imperative though it seems interesting enough to merit a mention in the History article. --Mcorazao (talk) 21:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, you guys are driving. I'm taking this article off my radar. Binksternet (talk) 00:35, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prostitution, syphilis, aircraft accidents 

message: There are fair amounts of content about sports teams, colleges, etc. in Pinellas County on this page. Us441 (talk) 18:08, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Where? There's a paragraph about the Rays, but that's all I see. Zeng8r (talk) 19:25, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Pinellas County is not the topic of the article.Us441 (talk) 15:04, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously, but what in the article implies that it's about Pinellas County? The Rays represent the entire area, so the brief mention is appropriate, imo. Again, I don't see any other examples. Am I missing something? Zeng8r (talk) 18:22, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Stetson College of Law is in Gulfport, not in Tampa. Us441 (talk) 20:54, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

text: We should put that Tampa has only a satellite campus of Stetson College of Law in the article. Us441 (talk) 23:13, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinellas 

message: WP:LEAD says the lead should be no longer than four paragraphs, but the lead is five paragraphs. Us441 (talk) 15:09, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long Lead 

message: TampaAGS, that's some great work you did in the "religion" section. However, this article is already very lengthy. Since there's a lot of history in your addition, do you think it'd be better to condense the info here and move the expanded version over to History of Tampa, Florida? Just an idea... Zeng8r (talk) 17:18, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I wasn't sure regarding the length, but that section just struck me as woefully lacking in scope to the point where it needed either revamping or removal.  The prior content focused on history, so I took that theme and ran with it.  The edit can be easily condensed by moving the history-related content to History of Tampa, Florida, as you suggested.  My only question is how best to situate it within the History article, which is fairly chronological in its organization.  Should it be appended as a separate section, or dissected and injected at various points into the article? - TampAGS (talk) 09:35, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Well, having elicited no suggestions on the issue, I reorganized the content as I saw fit.  -  TampAGS (talk) 23:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion section 

message: Tampa is located on the west coast of Florida.the populition was 333,040  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.21.201.11 (talk) 01:37, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  report 

message: I've been working on Sports in the Tampa Bay Area and noticed that much of it was copy & pasted from the sports section of the main Tampa article. This article is too long anyway, so I trimmed and compacted the sports section here quite a bit. Unfortunately, I accidentally clicked the "minor edit" checkbox when saving, but it was NOT a minor edit. Zeng8r (talk) 22:19, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  sports section 

message: Hey, I don't know much about the editing process here, but I was wondering if Big Cat Rescue could be mentioned? It's fairly significant in Tampa. 96.254.15.157 (talk) 02:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Point us to reliable sources about it, and its significance to an article about the city. -- Donald Albury 10:14, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of Big Cat Rescue 

message: Just how far out will this section reach? I can see listing adjoining communities, but including places in other counties seems to be pushing it. -- Donald Albury 10:21, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surrounding communities 

message: The sentence in the fifth paragraph that says “Tampa is ranked as a ‘high sufficiency’ world city by Loughborough University and is one category away from becoming a Gamma world city” should be updated. Apparently, Loughborough University has recently come out with a new updated list of global cities, and this new list now has Tampa ranked as a Gamma world city. See this and this. Willminator (talk) 15:59, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Edit: I have done the update myself. Willminator (talk) 15:54, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tampa is now ranked as a Gamma world city 

message: An anonymous user and a new user (who might quite possibly be the same person) recently added lots of info to the weather/climate section. At first glance, most of it looks like good stuff, perhaps needing some trimming, wikifying, and more references. However, most of the additions are relatively minor details that do not belong in the main Tampa article, which was already quite long and overstuffed, and should be moved over to the Climate of the Tampa Bay area article instead.
I mentioned this on the talk page of the user in question, but I received no reply as s/he kept adding more text to this article. Anybody want to take on the task of cleaning things up? I would, but I'm quite busy in real life right now and, besides, I'm semi-retired around here. Zeng8r (talk) 01:42, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I improved the weather part last week and JaviP9 keeps reverting it for no reason. I asked him why and he said "I revert your edition in Tampa, because you has done a lot of vandalian editions". He can't even speak english and I never did vandalism at all. Somebody help please.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.247.234 (talk) 11:39, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you just rearrange things a bit in that section? I don't see anything wrong with the changes, so I'm not sure why User:JaviP96 would revert it. However, anonymous IP users sometimes get accused of vandalism that they didn't commit because IP addresses can change depending on your location and/or internet service. Maybe he has you confused with somebody else. To avoid that problem in the future, you might want to get your own username. Zeng8r (talk) 18:12, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent climate section additions 

message: I lived in Tampa for 30 years and never once heard anyone refer to him or herself or anyone else as a "Tampanian." Could we get a citation for that, or else remove it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.248.33.186 (talk) 18:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard "Tampanian" used by other people to describe me, along with "Tampan," and of course "Tampon." (Don't ever use that last one unless you really know the person you're talking to, and he or she can take a joke.) I don't know that there's any one specific demonym used by us here. Boomshadow talk contribs 22:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tampanian" 

message: I notice that someone has changed the official name from "City of Tampa" to merely "Tampa, Florida." Our flag and all official literature from City Hall (actually New City Hall, but that's a long story) have "City of Tampa." Is there a citation? Boomshadow talk contribs 22:40, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official name 

message: Hi.  I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure.  Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline.  I won't be changing any content, merely the order.  Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues.  I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out.  Thoughts?  Onel5969 (talk) 19:41, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good in principle. If you can make the changes in parts (as opposed to massive wholesale changes) it will make it easier to assess the changes being made. Good luck! Candleabracadabra (talk) 13:20, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Doing it in spurts is pretty difficult (actually, I've never done it in over 50 edits).  But I hear your concern.  I never delete anything, simply re-arrange to make it consistent with other city articles.  I'll do it today, and you can check it out.Onel5969 (talk) 14:00, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure 

message: Full disclosure I am new to this, that being said I am not new to Tampa and have a wealth of knowledge about this city (That I can cite) that is not covered within this Wiki page.
Recently I made an addition/ slight change to the area covering the cities demonym. I moved the term "Tampanian" to be first and the term "Tampan" to be second as Tampanian is now more accepted and the term Tampan has fallen out of favor, I also added the demonym "Tampeño". 
Quickly, which I'm sure is the policy of older editors, the new change was removed. while no reasoning was given for the change of the order a rather hastily excuse was given for the removal of the demonym "Tampeño" that excusse being that it is a Spanish word, I argue that the language of the word does not matter if the origin of the word is from Tampa, which it is and was noted in my citation. If the argument that a word has to be English were applied across the board we could not use names like Florida, San Francisco, Texas ect. 
  
The Idea of wiki is to bestow as much useful information as we can so long as that information is correct and cited. (CubanBread (talk) 21:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have lived in Tampa many years and never once have I heard anyone speak the word "Tampanian".  Some time ago I searched for references on the subject and found some for Tampan, but the only info for Tampanian was that some had attempted to introduce it to avoid the similarity to Tampon.  Wikipedia is not the place for engineering the denonym to something that is more socially acceptable.  It is the denonym that people use that matters.  The denonym Tampan is probably our just punishment for calling that town to the Northeast "Horlando".Jacona (talk) 22:19, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "Tampanian" is pretty common and attested in many sources, for instance this. And it does sound like it's been popularized to avoid the similarity between the historical term "Tampan" and "tampon". The same source indicates that "Tampeno/a" is popular among Hispanics.--Cúchullain t/c 23:14, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference provided for the spanish word clearly stated that it was a name of a Latin from Tampa, which means clearly that it is not a demonym for a person from Tampa in general.  That is why I reverted it. John from Idegon (talk) 23:44, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't say that exactly. In fact, one of the informants says that Tampan "best fits the Spanish word for a Tampa Latin." The last guy says that Tampeno is used by Latin people, not that it's used only in Spanish. All of this would be good info for the article body.--Cúchullain t/c 00:00, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It does say that exactly. "Tampeno is a Spanish word that functions either as an adjective, e.g., Tampeno culture (Tampa Latin culture), or a noun, e.g., a tampeno (A Tampa Latin person)."http://books.google.com/books?id=veSFggvRZNQC&pg=PR9&lpg=PR9&dq=Tampe%C3%B1o+tampa&source=bl&ots=eOyG8epLKS&sig=AT4FERdN-XXNmUJXvmduSsUUfIU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=R3HEU8axNa707AahnoCgCw&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Tampe%C3%B1o%20tampa&f=false  Tampeno is no more a demonym for someone from tampa than "white guy" would be for a person from the United States.  It is a demonym for a Latin from Tampa, which obviously isn't everyone. John from Idegon (talk) 03:22, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I assumed you were talking about the source I linked to (), which just says "Latin people go by Tampeno". If other sources verify it's only used for Tampa Latinos, rather than any "Tampanian", then clearly it shouldn't be given as a demonym. But the word is clearly not only used in Spanish, so it shouldn't be avoided on those grounds. I'll write something up for the article body.--Cúchullain t/c 12:54, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  City Demonym.  

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 14:57, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Tampa, Florida]] 

message: Should the sections of Transportation and Infrastructure be merged together? According to the WikiProject_Cities/US_Guideline it has the Transportation under the Infrastructure section with the Utilities and Healthcare. Just curious if anyone wanted to either merge it if that's correct.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adog104 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense to me. The Healthcare paragraph can move to become a subsection under Economy, and everything else in the Transport section can move to Infrastructure, which is a more inclusive heading title. This article has been a sprawling mess for a long time, so any idea to better organize it is welcome. Zeng8r (talk) 17:12, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Zeng8r - Adog104 (talk) 17:23, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Zeng8r, except for the part about moving healthcare under Economy. Right now the way that subsection is written (not dealing with the economic impact of those institutions), it seems a better fit to keep it as a subsection of the new merged "Infrastructure" section, as per US City guidelines. And btw, nice work you're doing on the article, Adog. Onel5969 TT me 17:46, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you very much Onel5969 again, much appreciated. Onel5969 TT me - Adog104 (talk) 17:52, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Infrastructure and Transportation 

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