Talk:Allegro (musical)

message: Lots of early musicals were choreogrphed by the director, including Gilbert and Sullivan shows.  See this list of casts, directors and choreographers.  For instance, The Beauty of Bath in 1906 had the same director and choreographer.  -- Ssilvers 03:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Director choreographer

message: The Rodgers and Hammerstein Organization is concerned with managing PR for R & H, not with dispensing fact-checked
information. There most certainly were plenty of director-choreographers in the early American musical, notably Julian
Mitchell and Edward Royce. And in the few years before Allegro, George Balanchine choreographed and directed Cabin in
the Sky and What's Up. In both cases, a co-director was credited for the book scenes, but Balanchine still was the
high maestro on both projects. The fact that the R & H Org. doesn't know any of this is no excuse for misleading
Wikipedia readers. Fred Lane 05:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Director Choreographer II

message: The section recounting Sondheim's recollection of Allegro's opening night, for which a citation is needed, is verbatim from the publisher's notes on the musical's vocal score, as shown at http://www.amazon.com/Allegro-Vocal-Score-Richard-Rodgers/dp/0881880000 . I don't quite know whether to just cite that, put it in quotes, or what, but if somebody else doesn't take care of it, I hope I'll be back! GeorgeTSLC (talk) 16:56, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sondheim's recollection 

message: I had this niggling feeling that the term "book" meant more than just a...like...book.  That it was some theater term.  Am realizing now, this means "script"?  Anyhow, hope this is OK, but I'm going to add a wikilink to clarify at first usage.  For morons like me.  I actually googled for it...was bugging me!  
Although you do use "script" later, so maybe I don't understand the concept.  Is it that the book includes more technical content?
TCO (talk) 01:52, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I just connected to the section for "book musical".  I looked at libretto, but that was all about opera.  Only thing it gave regarding book was the translation.  But no Broadway usage.TCO (talk) 02:14, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That section says that it is the dialogue and lyrics together.  I tend to use "book" to indicate it generally and "script" for the document reduced to written form.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:47, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is embarressing but... 

message: Wonder if a little more here, in article, on the Perry Como recording (or even later Doris Day), might be useful for the reader.  Como's came out at the same time the musical was running and was a popular tune.  There's even an advertising image of him holding a platter with Allegro written, that might be a legally stealable image (I don't know all the rules on these advertisements).  I saw it in one of my Billboard google searches but can't find now.  Sorry if divergent and not pushing, just want to get the stuff down in case it was new insight.
:I'll happily look at the URL.  With respect to individual songs, I try to avoid saying who sung them as popular songs unless it really adds to the article about the musical (I made an exception in Carousel for "You'll Never Walk Alone" because that song is a Big Deal and adds to the story of Carousel and I added a couple of singers of "If I Loved You" so the other song would not look out of place).  On Allegro, I don't think any of the songs have become Big Deals, so I'd be inclined to let it go (you need to sign your posts, TCO).--Wehwalt (talk) 20:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  song recordings 

message: This paragraph contains some repetition.  The word "sought" is used twice.  You could solve this by cutting the first sentence down to just state the fact that their first two musicals were hits.  You might want to add (1943) and (1945) for dates of Ok.. and Car., but not sure.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:51, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll look it over shortly.  I am reluctant to add date parentheticals like that in the lede as perhaps not the top level of information and can easily be mentioned in the body.  Text flow, you know.  However, I do not feel strongly about it and will look at it closely.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:06, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am a bit confused as to why you moved "1947" so low in the lede.  I think that it really helps the reader to have that information further up.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

text: For both Flower Drum Song and Carousel, we mentioned the year in the opening paragraph.  In FDS we mentioned that it opened in 1958. Does some such satisfy you?--Wehwalt (talk) 18:49, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I see your point, I don't think anyone would say that Hamlet is a 1605 (or whatever) play by William Shakespeare ... how is it now?  I'll also make a point of implementing whatever we decide in the other ones I have under development ...--Wehwalt (talk) 18:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Looks OK now, thanks.  I tried to smoothe out the sentence about de Mille.  As I said above I do think it makes the most sense, generally, to mention the creators and story line in the first para; then start off the 2nd para. with the date of the production and mention important production stuff there, like big stars/directors (It was conceived as a vehicle for Angela Lansbury....); and then talk about themes and reception/revivals/famous adaptations in the third para.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:59, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My reason for including de Mille in the opening paragraph is that her travails as director were a significant part of the story, so I didn't just want to mention her as an afterthought in the lede.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

text: You could certainly mention something about her travails; it might be a good idea, but I don't think it belongs in the first paragraph. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:54, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't care where she goes in the lede paras, but mentioning her travail would be good.  That's more interesting than just that she did the job.  (Conflict sells.)TCO (talk) 08:18, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it looks OK.  (Didn't know it had been revised.)  At least there is something else interesting mentioned (her previous connections and choreo). TCO (talk) 08:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That is very helpful, TCO.  I have added a sentence in the body to tell the reader about de Mille's previous connection with R & H.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:47, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead paragraph 2

message: In the last paragraph of the "Rehearsals and tryouts" section, there is a reference to a "Logan" but no context to let the reader know who he is and what he has to do with the show. I assume this refers to Joshua Logan? --Thomprod (talk) 17:16, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Touche.  I'll make that correction.  Thank you.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:52, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logan 

message: Sorry for my English: I'm learning it.
The link Carousel is wrong. It's Carousel instead of Carousel.
Uomo Ubriaco (talk) 11:22, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Nice catch.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:25, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 28 December 2011 

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