Talk:Ancient peoples of Italy

message: Do the Italiotes actually belong in this list?  I had thought the list was about the native peoples, while the Italiotes were the Greek colonists. -- Jonel | Speak 01:45, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

message: I am surprized to see here Etruscans too. They were not italic. They were even not indoeuropean.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eray (talk • contribs) 15:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The topic is not Indo-Europeans or Italics. Read the title again.Dave (talk) 23:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etruscans 

message: I'm also not sure that these groups can be considered Italic.  At very best their origins are debatable, if not explicitly non-Italic.  As Italic means of or from Italy, the Sicani, thought to be from the Iberian peninsula, and the Elimi, thought to be from Asia Minor, cannot be included in this group.  I suggest they be removed and added to a group more generally described as Mediterranean.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.108.226 (talk) 08:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siculi, Sicani, Elimi... 

message: The article grew from a much smaller one; however, the topic is a large one and changed significantly over the decades. Since books from 4 to 5 centuries old are now readable on the Internet we are likely to get almost any point of view in here, and do. It needs unification with a modern slant. One major problem I notice is that the ghost of Kossinna's Law haunts the article. He has to go except in very qualified circumstances. Thus the Terremare Culture is not in any way the best candidate for the Italics. I will attempt some unification. Once again, the problems really stem from not following WP policy on references. We all get carried away by the temptation to give our own opinions, myself included. If you are going to make a major assertion someone alse has to have published it and you have to say who, when and where. You will be seeing big changes here.Dave (talk) 23:27, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Unification would be appropriate

message: The article presumes that first Italy was occupied by pre-IE in the sense of non-IE peoples. Then the IE peoples entered. No such presumption is warranted. When I get to it I'm changing pre-IE to non-IE. While we are at it, the identification of various historical ethnicities with archaeological cultures is strictly editor opinion and has to go. I am sure, editor, you had great fun working this up. In a sense you remind me of me. What you don't realize is that a lot of people have been working on this topic for a long time. The difference between you and them is experience, that's all. More investigation, more reading. Check out your opinions. It's the only way, really. But, thanks for putting the topic up. We can gradually fix it. Just take it in stride. We are all entitled to blush at our first efforts. How else can we learn? We don't spring educated into the midst of society like Athena from the head of Zeus, etc. It will take a while to fix all this. Please forgive yourself swiftly. Best.Dave (talk) 00:14, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: IE and pre-IE

message: reverted edit User:Z as the matter is extremely disputed and not admitted outside albanian nationalist groups. Different academical sources admint a possible proto-illyrian origin for the Enotrians but not for Sicani and Sicels. see google (Enotri+Illyrians) and works by italian leading academician Giacomo Devoto Cunibertus (talk) 10:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Sicani]] and [[Sicels]]

message: Regrettably, the caveats at top of the article ar too true. Nobody in fact can prove, when and from where Indo-European languages intruded to Italy. Of course, I have my own hypothesis (see www.hjholm.de), but it is just a hypothesis. HJJHolm (talk) 16:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indo-Europeans 

message: the punic extension in sardinia is exaggerated, they where present only on the southern coast in trading post and never colonized that far in the interior  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.40.98.95 (talk) 22:28, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  sardinia