Talk:Gaucho

message: I've retained a brief mention of the gaucho being the mascot of UCSB, but cut this longer passage: 
Also, the official mascot of the University of California, Santa Barbara. The gaucho itself is only represented by a black, zoro-type mask although there are occasional appearances by the "phantom," an alumn who returns to basketball games to cheer the team on, along with the rowdy (and often intoxicated) pep club, the gaucho locos.
If someone wants to start an article on the gaucho as icon or in popular culture, this (with the spelling fixed) would presumably belong there. - Jmabel | Talk 20:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UCSB 

message: Regarding: "the Arabic chaucho (a type of whip used in herding animals)." While I have no idea if a proposed Arabic origin if Gaucho is correct, I would note that "chaucho" is clearly not an Arabic word at all, although this may be a Iberian deformation of an Arabic word for "a type of whip used in herding animals." The CH (is it "sh" as in French or "ch" as in English, or...) does not exist in Arabic, and the form of the word given looks to be Iberian (Spanish I would guess). This entry should obviously be researched more (although Wikipedia in its typical sloppiness is a great source for naive false etymologies).  (collounsbury 17:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: there's a great free image of a gaucho here: http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/cph.3g12117 140.247.240.181 23:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: free image

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 05:57, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: The article text said that "Gauchos (...) lived on the pampas, the plain that extends north from Patagonia, bounded on the west by the Andes and extending as far north as the Brazilian state of Paraná." This was absolutely incorrect, since just north of Rio Grande do Sul (and including that state's northeastern area and part of the North) is the high plateau of Santa Catarina that marks the end of the plain. In Brazil, the Pampas plain comprises solely the larger part of Rio Grande do Sul, extending from Argentina on the west and from Uruguay on the south. So, I have corrected that phrase's ending to "...and extending on the east to Uruguay and the Brazilian state of Rio Grande do Sul."
--UrsoBR (talk) 11:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pampas "as far north as Paraná"? 

message: File:The gaucho plays an important symbolic role in the nationalist feelings of this region, especially that of Argentina and Uruguay. The epic poem Martín Fierro by José Hernández used the gaucho as a symbol against corruption and of Argentine national tradition, pitted against Europeanising tendencies. Martín Fierro, the hero of the poem, is drafted into the Argentine military for a border war, deserts, and becomes an outlaw and fugitive. The image of the free gaucho is often contrasted to the slaves who worked the northern Brazilian lands. Further literary descriptions are found in Ricardo Güiraldes' Don Segundo Sombra.
I think this paragraph is more relevant than the DNA study of the gaucho from Rio Grando do Sul. Therefore it should be placed before. The DNA could be more relevant if it wasn't exclusive to the gauchos from the south of Brazil but the gauchos from all regions. This DNA study is very specific to one region, which is why it should be place after the paragraph mention. The more general information should be most times place before.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weezer08 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paragraph order change proposal 

message: In the second paragraph under the 'History' section:
Most gauchos were either criollo (South Americans of Spanish or Portuguese ancestry) or mestizo (of mixed Spanish and Native American blood), but the European, African, or mixed ancestry.
I would fix it but I'm not knowledgable enough on the topic to know what it is trying to say. -MidnightDesert (talk) 09:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete/unclear sentence 

message: This sentence,
::Another explanation could be that it is due to the nomadic nature of the gaucho's life; simply going where cattle were thriving.
seems reminiscent of the myth that gauchos could freely roam through the borders between Argentina, Uruguay, and Brazil (particularly the latter two). This idea, that can be often found here and in other Wikipedia articles, is completely unfounded. John Charles Chasteen explains it quite well in his Heroes on horseback: a life and times of the last gaucho caudillos):
::However invisible on the ground, the border had a large impact on their lives and held an important place in their understanding of the political order. After all, the border had not been imposed on them, as its invisibility seemed to indicate. Rather, the borderlanders had imposed the border in wars against with each other.
So, I am proposing to remove this ideological tirade from the article. If anyone disagrees, please explain here why. Ninguém (talk) 18:50, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The myth of the open border 

message: the article is difficult to read. It seems to have been originally written by an Argentine and then updated by a Brazilian, then a Uruguayan. The result is a competition between which country has the most authentic gauchos. --177.214.126.254 (talk) 10:28, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Examples, please♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 15:57, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difficult to read 

message: the mention and photo of "gauchos" from the Falklands has an obvious political motive. Wikipedia is not the right forum for this debate. --177.214.126.254 (talk) 10:34, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The image is also used in Origins of Falkland Islanders, which mentions gauchos at several parts. Cambalachero (talk) 15:05, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No ref here though, the ref was to a suspended account. I dont though agree that there is any political motivation, if there was on which side would the political motivation be? As it isnt clear makes a mockery of the claim♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 15:49, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Falklands? 

message: Can women be called "gaucho"?  The emphasis seems to be on "cowboys" and other men.  
—DIV (120.23.85.218 (talk) 15:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender 

message: IMHO too many editors have been amending the definitions of the word gaucho to accord with their own personal understanding, without noticing the existing definitions are fully sourced, and by whom.  Thus their amendments have the effect, doubtless unintended, of misquoting the Diccionario de la Lengua Española.  The Diccionario may not be infallible,   but it is far and away the most authoritative text in the Spanish language.  I have mentioned the source explicitly in the text now, so at, even if some editors don't read the footnotes, least they know who they are gainsaying.Ttocserp 14:06, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't it be appropriate to mention that not all gauchos were mestizos though?68.149.54.222 (talk) 08:28, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Definitions in lede

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message: The chiripá is not the same as a tirador and neither of them are a kind of sash.
The chiripá is a garment worn in the fashion of a diaper, as this article used to say.  It is often created with a poncho, though the famous song "El Orejano" mentions that poor people used sackcloth.  From Chiripá, translated: "a simple skirt cinched around the waist, wrapped once and a half times around the body... falling to mid-knee, and also, in another form... a rectangle passed between the legs and cinched at four points around the waist, in the form of a diaper..."
The name of the sash is also not "tirador", which is a different garment entirely than both the sash and the chiripá, but "faja".
I have made both these changes.--169.252.4.23 (talk) 05:22, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrected the definitions of "chiripá" and "tirador" 

message: Is the Etymology section too long and too specialised for a general article on Gaucho?  If so, it could be moved to a new article and replaced by a brief summary.Ttocserp 08:38, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology section 

message: The existing lede is not really based on the body of the article, but on dictionary definitions.  I doubt if anyone can really define gaucho, an elusive concept whose meaning has varied and continues to vary, but in any case it is not for Wikipedia to attempt it, as per WP:NOTDICT.  The lead section, rather, should be a concise summary of the main body of the article.  Ttocserp 22:00, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section