Talk:African emigrants to Italy

message: I was at a presentation on immigration to Italy and she mentioned a good deal on African immigrants. Using what she said as a guide I've looked for what I can.--T. Anthony 01:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: Ungaretti a fomous poetry was pure Italian, and also Claudia Cardinale born in the french tunisie, or Claudio Gentile born in Lybia when that country was an italian's colony.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Protesilao1978 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  IT'S A NONSENSE TO LABEL ITALIANS BORN IN THE OLD COLONIES BY ITALIAN ANCESTORS (FATHER AND MOTHER) AS AFRICANS 

message: Why no mention of these people? Because is false.
:I made a passing reference, but I don't have a book on it at present. (I have read some on blacks in the Roman Empire, including the Italian peninsula) I was hoping someone with greater expertise could expand on that and maybe add names.--T. Anthony 16:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient Black People in Rome or Italy 

message: why are there so many Americans on this list? This article is about Italians of African descent.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthurian Legend (talk • contribs) 21:39, August 25, 2007 (UTC) 
:I have done the spilt of the article proposed above  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucifero4 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still not clear whether that's meant to be a list of Italians who happen to have black skin, or Italians from Africa.  For instance, I would guess that someone like Fiona May represents three separate "migrations" - born in the UK, but probably of Caribbean rather than African family, so her links to Africa are weaker than her links to the British Isles or some Caribbean island. Is she an "African" in Italy? FlagSteward (talk) 03:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: FlagSteward: Yes, this article's scope is muddled somewhat. I think, as it presents itself now, the intent is to cover all with origins from the African continent- skin colour not a factor. I agree, however, it does jump into "black" only the list- no matter how remote the African origin. As I don' think there is enough material for two or three separate articles, this aspect should be clarified within this article. What do you think? Dionix (talk) 17:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
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message: Carlton Myers is still in activity. --AdBo 08:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Carlton Myers

message: Please do not make up new terms that are not in use, like "Afro-Italian". When Italians make up and start using this term then we can change the article to "Afro-Italian", but until then please do not make up terms (that is original research). Wikipedia is not an instrument of social change. Social change first happens, then Wikipedia can write about it. It is better to say "Africans in Italy", just like Chinese people in Italy. CanuckAnthropologist (talk) 23:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, an editor has seen fit to declare that the term Afro-Italian does not exist, despite there bneing over 2000 Google hits on the subject. I'd like a serious discussion to take place on whether or not the term "really exists". One editor's subjective experience of never having heard the term should not count, as it isn't a reliable source.--Ramdrake (talk) 01:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please do not make up new terms 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:J Bakhita.jpg

message: In italy are 2 millions for africans immigrant!! thats not true 700,000  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.35.251.97 (talk) 17:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  African immigrants to Italy 

message: I have moved this article back to Italians of African descent from African immigrants to Italy.  If the article includes people born in Italy, then it is obviously inaccurate to call them Italian immigrants, even if they don't automatically gain Italian citizenship.  ... discospinster talk 02:51, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The title of the article is "African immigrants to Italy" (Immigrati Africani all'Italia).  These people are not immigrants.  Essi non sono immigrati all'Italia, sono nati in Italia.  O' sono nati in altro paese e non sono mai andato in Italia.  ... discospinster talk 02:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: The title of the article is African immigrants to Italy, and the population numbers come from a census that includes only those who are directly from African countries.  So it does not make sense to list people who are of African descent but are from the Caribbean, for example, and have never been to an African country.  I've removed these entries.  Perhaps another, broader, article could be created that covers all Blacks in Italy, regardless of where they were born.  ... discospinster talk 17:15, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope of article 

message: This image shows some Italians born in Italy and not only Africans emigrated to Italy. This is a huge error and take a look here: 
WP:YESPOV, you can't make up your own guidelines or policy based on facts that are not true. I think that there were some racists that put Malika Ayane or Mario Balotelli in the image, but they are not africans emigrated to Italy. Facts are facts no one can change them. Mario Balotelli and Malika Ayane are 100% Italians just like all the others. They are not Africans emigrated to Italy. The image must be removed as soon as possible or replaced with a correct one. The consesus is not necessary according to wikipedia because this is a WP:YESPOV. User:Barjimoa
:I agree that maybe some of the images are not appropriate, but I wouldn't go so far as to call them racist. Italian nationality law states that even if you are born in Italy, you are not an Italian citizen unless at least one of your parents is. In the case of Balotelli, his parents were Ghanaian, so maybe the editor thought he was an immigrant in the legal sense although he did not go anywhere? It's very confusing, really. ... discospinster talk 14:19, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides the legal reasons Discospinster explains above, Malika Ayan's father is Moroccan and both of Mario Balotelli's parents are Ghanaian. They would thus, at least partially, be second generation immigrants. That said, I understand your perspective Barjimoa and agree that first generation immigrants would be more appropriate. I'll replace Malika and Mario with two first generation immigrants from North Africa and West Africa, respectively. Middayexpress (talk) 17:20, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

text: Ok, all fixed now. Middayexpress (talk) 18:51, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: The image is wrong

message: There was a huge, messy list here when I came to disambiguate Congo. Spent quite a bit of time sorting, formatting, adding detail, links, etc. Only after did I notice the editors message: [ -- Please do not add people who were born in Italy, as they are not immigrants to Italy.  Also, people who are part African and part Italian descent but have never lived in Italy should not be listed.-- ] So, let that be a lesson to me: Check thoroughly for messages first! Honestly, though, the list was so long when I started, I would not have had a hope of noticing the message. I have now copied the hidden message several times throughout the list (even though the list is much smaller now) in the hope of saving others from similar pointless tidying.
Anyway, I am putting what I cut out here in case it's ever wanted for another article some time - on something like, say, "Italians of African heritage", maybe, or something like that! (There are a few of borderline ones I left in the article, as exact origin or birth place was unclear to me.)
Hope that is all okay. 49.177.73.238 (talk) 12:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edited Notable people list 

message: Strangely, the former article "Afro-Italians" redirects to this one, even though this article is specifically about immigrants, not Afro-Italians generally. There's even a note in the list section warning people not to add Afro-Italians who were born in Italy. Yet, there is a random, boldfaced explanation of "Afro-Italians" in the lede, specifically distinguishing them as being African-descended people born in Italy. So is this article about immigrants or about the diaspora in Italy more generally? The title of the article should reflect whatever it is. natemup (talk) 05:31, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does this article want to be?