Talk:Hooliganism

message: *The section about Argentina hooliganism needs a massive update. More football hooliganism occurrs in Argentina these days than nearly any other country. 
*Futbol? blah. What about motorcycle hooliganism?
*The line about New Jersey Devils fans being rowdy and setting fire to opposing fans jerseys is absolute rubbish. If anything, that would describe New York Rangers fans during their raucous heyday of the 1970's and 1980's. However as I said, this line is a load of rubbish.
A punk rock band from new jersey whose debut album riot on the streets was among few unsigned artists to sell over 50,000 records on their own self-distributed. describing themselves as more realistic than political, their lyrics have been described as highly socially conscious and politically aware, their website is myspace.com/oihooliganismoi
There is no initial "H" in Russian. Adam 05:44, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I happened to be a native russian speaker, and yes there is a initial H in russian. In fact it is fairly common. The letter is called (Ha) and in cyrilic it is written as X or "Х". The words like cold(Holod  Холод), bread(Hleb Хлеб), good (Horoshy Хороший), trunk (Hobot Хобот) all start with H or  russian Х. the word for hooligan is Хулиган, and  russian X is always trunsripted as H. For refernce check rambler.com dictionary  you will see that hooligan does indeed start with H(X) in russian.--Hq3473 17:42, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  You have missed that "Х" is transliterated as "Kh" when using normal Russian-English transliteration. Thus the saying that there is no initial H in Russian, which is correct, considering the mentioned transliteration. I'll just say Gitler, and you know what I mean. -- Elisson | Talk 19:44, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Sorry, Johan, but here you are mistaken.  Only the US/UK cartographic, US Library of Congress and the Allworth system use "Kh" for the cyrilic "Х".  The Russian GOST standard, ISO 9 and the UN all use "H".  S.N. Hillbrand 20:37, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then the three first systems must then be the most widely used (and the ones used on Wikipedia), just check any Russian name with "Х", for example Хабаровск, Khabarovsk. The spelling "Khabarovsk" gives over 500,000 hits on Google, the spelling "Habarovsk" gives 17,000. Similar results with Хрущёв, Khrushchev (Hrushchev) and Охо́тск, Okhotsk (Ohotsk). The "Х", AFAIK, is also pronounced much more like "k" or "kh", than "h". -- Elisson | Talk 21:28, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree it should not be "H" it should be a "Kh", but definitely not "Gh" which threw me off in the first place--Hq3473 00:59, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hooliganism

message: What is the defintion of "Innocent hooliganism" as made on the caption for the photo? I would have thought no hooliganism was "innocent"... -- Master Of Ninja 20:24, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Innocent or not, labelling it so doesn't strike me as NPOV Jackliddle 02:11, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caption: "Innocent hooliganism"? 

message: It is perhaps now worth noting that in those extraordinary occasions where fan violence does occur in Canada, we are more than happy to refer to those responsible as "hooligans", as the Saskatchewan Roughriders and the Mayor of Regina have done.  I can't think of what word would have been substituted for "hooliganism" had what happened at McCallum's home been related to a hockey game.  Rupertslander 04:59, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addendum 

message: Can anyone try to find a better photo, showing actual hooliganism? I might have a few from Panathinaikos-Olympiakos game, but I guess they are copyrighted. \ wolfenSilva / 06:58, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what photo this comment referred to (too lazy to dig thru the history), but the current one is... also unimpressive. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 13:05, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: There's a new bit which changes football hooliganism from starting in England in the 1960s, to Scotland in the 1950s.  Anyone actually care to reference this? - Master Of Ninja 08:02, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Football hooliganism origins 

message: Why are Hooligans and Ultras totally mixed up in here? Ultras are not necessarily hooligans. This must be one of the worst articles I've ever come across. (unsigned post, by ip 212.101.25.147)
: I agree, but I don't have the time to fix this right now. I'd like to see the article's content being split in Hooliganism, Ultras and an article dealing with the so called firms, which can't, IMHO, be treated as simple hooliganism, as it is much more complex than that. We've got an article on casuals but that is not always related to firms either. Any good suggestions? -- Elisson | Talk 21:15, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please just remove the picture. It is simply not relevant to the subject of the article. Ultras are not the same as hooligans, and there is no reason why these two seperate subjects should be dealt with in the one article. There is already an article on Ultras anyway.
82.212.18.194 20:50, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hooligans / Ultras 

message: In light of Michael Myers' Scottish Hooligan Weekly on Saturday Night Live on NBC in America, what is the relative truth value of the Scottish paragraph as it stands now? The SHW on SNL is very compelling, if you haven't seen it. Michael himself is a second generation European Canadian now residing in Los Angeles, California, in case you are wondering about how reliable he may be vis a vis goings-on in the United Kingdom. I would like to see this resolved.  --McDogm 00:28, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Scottish Hooliganism

message: This article was today cited by Daily Nation, Kenya's largest newspaper. Their article can be found here 
(password needed, try bugmenot). This was not the first time when Daily Nation cited Wikipedia (see Talk:Electric shock) Julius Sahara 17:00, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a new media source about hooliganism at a high school basketball game at Madison Square Garden.  High School hooligans Nyrmetros 16:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media citation 

message: I found this article when searching for incidents of sports violence in the US. The information in the article would be much more useful with sources cited. I just tagged some lines with 'citation needed'. I've never heard of some of those incidents. 67.188.159.75 21:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add some citations or this article is useless 

message: "In Russia hooliganism appears to be associated with anti-semitism..." The sentence's message is incorrect. One would hardly associate the meaning of hooliganism with that of antisemitism in Russia. Now the law-determined term "Hooliganism" in some cases has been used by public prosecutors to cover the true nature of xenophobic antics, --Klaus Bertow 02:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hooliganism and antisemitism

message: I'm surprised that there's no mention of the comic strip 'Happy Hooligan'. CFLeon (talk) 19:34, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Happy Hooligan?

message: I could not help noticing the Sanskrit word Kulaghna being used to describe a person who destroys the family, the reputation of his own family, by his misbehaving. Related link Miodrag1963 (talk) 17:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology speculation

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message: I deleted a section of the article that discussed an incident where people protesting Stephon Clark's death blocked off the entrance to a sports venue. While the definition given at the top of the article is vague enough to allow this example, all the other examples address sports fans rioting for some sporting-related reason. This example only incidentally involves sport. Also, when I looked at several accounts  of this event (, , , , , ), they described a protest and the individuals leading it as "protesters" or "demonstrators", rather than hooligans. Vahurzpu (talk) 03:06, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protests of Stephon Clark's death 

message: "Giving them a dollar for drink"? Not in London, I think! 104.192.232.1 (talk) 13:59, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dollars in London? 

message: In British sports. This section should include a summary of Football hooliganism in the United Kingdom.
:Why not copy-down the lede para from the Main article: Football hooliganism in the United Kingdom? Valetude (talk) 21:42, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tag 

message: I'm curious to hear what people think about the "In American sports" section. Currently, it looks like just a list. I'm not sure if that is the way to go. Would cutting the majority of that out and writing a brief history, covering the more notable events be more helpful? I just imagine this list ever expanding to include every instance of a rowdy crowd, which doesn't feel overly helpful.--Gordonrox24 | Talk 03:33, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This entire section is ludicrous, and seems to have been the focus of one editor (similar looking IP identifiers) over the course of 2021 (nearly half the entries are related to 2021 fan disruptions). Categorically American sports has very little, if any violence that is best described as "hooliganism" rather than "drunk fans getting into fights". This section should be drastically curtailed, maybe highlighting a few extreme instances. I'd favor just copying the United States section of Football hooliganism, which contradicts this section with the sentence "However, football (soccer) and other sports hooliganism overall is rare in the United States in part because of stricter legal penalties for vandalism and physical violence, club markets having their own territory of fans, venues banning weapons, stricter security during games, and a stronger taboo on politics, class, race, and religion into the American sporting culture. Although isolated drunken fights at games do occur, they rarely escalate to major brawling comparable to Europe and Latin America.". There simply aren't organizations like in other countries that engage in intentional violence with each other, as you can find in the UK and other European countries (some of the UK hooligan/ultra groups even apparently meet the criteria to have their own articles, while there are essentially zero US equivalents). JackHahne (talk) 15:11, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  In American sports