Talk:Jack Wong Sue

message: Has his name as Jack Sue - but also includes the jack wong sue designation as well
http://henrietta.liswa.wa.gov.au/search/aSue%2C+Jack%2C+1925-/asue+jack+1925/-2%2C-1%2C0%2CB/exact&FF=asue+jack+1925&1%2C7%2C SatuSuro 14:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the reason for this is that -- in less politically correct times -- "Wong" was treated like an Anglo middle name, when Jack prefers to use his full name. I go past his shop from time to time and it certainly says "Jack Wong Sue" there. Grant | Talk 03:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WA state Library catalogue

message: Hi all,
I am having a dispute with a fellow editor (as you will see in the history). Can other editors please look at Mr Wong Sue's rank when he was discharged and confirm if he was a Leading Aircraftman or a Sergeant please? I state/source/reference that he acted as a Sergeant for some time but was discharged as a Leading Aircraftman (I have sourced two official government sites) but another editor states he was a Sergeant when discharged.
Thank you for your time and help.  CheersCanberraBulldog (talk) 23:31, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Offical Rank 

message: I don't know what has happened, but the link to the report on Lynette Silver's take on Jack Wong Sue's career takes you to a malware site. The ref is cite web|title=Investigation of Claims (Silver Vs Jack Wong Sue - decreased)|url=http://www.scribd.com/doc/48076498/Silver-vs-Jack-Wong-Sue-Report|publisher=Australian Investigation Corporation|accessdate=27 February 2011 but I wouldn't click it if I were you! I have removed it from the article for now. Can anyone provide a safe link as I want to read the report? 86.133.55.210 (talk) 19:14, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malware site as ref 

message: How does someone ask a Wikipedia administrator to check this article? as it is very unreferencedCanberraBulldog (talk) 11:08, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello. I have added a comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. Hopefully we may be able to get some people with knowledge of the topic involved to sort fact from fiction and add the required references. Anotherclown (talk) 11:25, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Please note that administrators generally have no particular say over the accuracy or otherwise of articles (except for where there's unsourced material concerning living people or hoaxes invented by editors). As an editor It seems to me that the solution here is simple: we have reliable source reporting claims that Jack Wong Sue embellished his war records and we have a reliable source reporting his family's response to these claims, so let's include both - anything else would be censorship. Lynette Silver should be taken seriously - she's a published author who specialises in this area, and has runs on the board uncovering fraudulent war records:  and a book she wrote was launched by the Governor General last year: .  Nick-D (talk) 11:41, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

text: In the first instance, attempts should be made to source it (and not from his book as autobiographies are generally not considered good sources). Nick-D (talk) 12:04, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help needed in having this article viewed by a wikipedia administrator 

message: Please note that it is totally unacceptable to use Wikipedia as a forum to speculate or comment on the integrity of living people unless such comments are fully supported by reliable sources. It is important to note that such speculation is a violation of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and may lead to blocks from editing. I have deleted a number of comments from this talk page (including responses to these comments which, while not problematic in themselves, needed to be removed to ensure that the discussion was no longer visible), and any further comments along these lines will lead to immediate blocks from editing. Nick-D (talk) 12:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  General comment 

message: Dear all,
I am proposing that all information in this article that is not sourced and can not be sourced be deleted from this article. I have done a rough draft (below) showing all information that is cited thus showing a representation of how the article may look.
Jack Wong Sue, OAM, DCM, JP also known as Jack Sue (12 September 1925 – 16 November 2009) was a Chinese Australian from Perth, Western Australia. Wong Sue served as a member of the commando/special reconnaissance unit Z Special Unit.
After the war, Wong Sue was a businessman, owning a diving store in the Perth suburb of Midland. He was also an author, a guide for tours of Borneo and a musician, who performed with bands in Perth for about 60 years.
War service
On 25 September 1943, Wong Sue joined the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF). During 1945, Wong Sue was among members of Z Special Unit landed in Borneo, as part of Operation Agas 3.[3]  He reached the substantive rank of Leading Aircraftsman,[4] but acted as a Sergeant for an extended period and was awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal (DCM).[5] 
In 2010, Australian military historian Lynette Silver disputed claims made by Wong Sue in his memoirs and said that official archives prove that he "lied". In particular, she questioned Wong Sue's claims that he:
•	single-handedly killed a group of Japanese soldiers at Terusan, Borneo in May 1945, thereby saving the life of Lieutenant Don Harlen, as there were no enemy    personnel in the area at the time;
•	took part in a raid on the Japanese garrison at Pitas on June 13, 1945, as he is not named in records of the action, and;
•	witnessed the last Sandakan Death March as he was in hospital when it occurred and was elsewhere when the other marches took place.[6]
In early 2011, Jack Wong Sue's son, Barry, released a report which he stated refuted the claims made by Silver against his father.[7][8]
Return to civilian life
Wong Sue was discharged from the RAAF on 21 January 1946, after which he returned to Perth and subsequently opened a retail store devoted to diving equipment in Midland.
His published works include two books published circa 2001: a memoir of his military service, Blood on Borneo, and a collection of anecdotes regarding a 1963 shipwreck, Ghost of the Alkimos. In 2006, Wong Sue was awarded the Medal of the Order of Australia, "For service to the community, particularly through the preservation and recording of military and maritime history."[5] He died in a Perth hospice, aged 84, on 16 November 2009.[9]
See also
•	White Australia Policy
•	Borneo campaign (1945)
•	Roland Griffiths-Marsh
Cheers CanberraBulldog (talk) 09:31, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, that looks pretty good to me. Have you searched Factiva for old news stories about Jack Wong Sue which you could use as sources though? Nick-D (talk) 11:43, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  No I haven't, but I shall know that you have mentioned it.  Thanks heaps.  CheersCanberraBulldog (talk) 12:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I would support the re-written version proposed above. Of course if you can find any more info per Nick's suggestion that should also be added however. Anotherclown (talk) 10:02, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have had a look but can't really find anything to support the article. CanberraBulldog (talk) 10:51, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing of Article 

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message: New here sorry. I see replies to my questions, thanks, not sure how to reply to you, hopefully I will get it eventually.
Question regarding previous question.
Is an article accepted by Wikipedia even if it's only evidence is an article in a newspaper?
Regards  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Triumph Banjo (talk • contribs) 20:00, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In order for an article to be accepted by Wikipedia, there needs to be " in  that are ".  Wikipedia calls this "notability".  GoingBatty (talk) 01:38, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy accepted by Site 

message: An editor has removed the section about Lynette Silver's claims about Jack Wong Sue. This doesn't work as the article then follows up with the rebuttal. Will post on the editor's talk page. Tacyarg (talk) 17:06, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lynette Silver claims