Talk:Hypertext fiction

message: An influential work, to be sure, but the fulsomeness of the newly-added sentence gives the historically-false impression that it is the crucial work, that afternoon and Victory Garden and Patchwork Girl were just exercises leading up to its achievement.  I think this misrepresents the current critical consensus as well as historical thought, as reflected (for example) in Coover's two New York Times Book Review surveys of early hypertext fiction.  
I don't relish having to write this, but the way the addition was crafted leaves no other good option.  Since I am close to the field and its controversies, and since the factual assertions are not incorrect, I'd prefer to leave the revert to other hands.  If this stands, though, it threatens to create a race of competing claims for the excellence of each early fiction, all seeking to assert their own honors and excellences. MarkBernstein 13:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammatron 

message: After some thought and reading, I removed an external link to * James Johnson: The Chronicles of a Shifter by Tom Epps from the list. Obviously, we can't list every hypertext fiction here, however good or meritorious. This specific work is not widely known -- at least not yet; the only google reference for its title was this page.
I suggest that the external links be limited to (a) works of clear historical importance, (b) exemplars of styles or approaches that cannot easily be represented adequantely  by citing works of historical import, and (c) works that are cited in the body of the article.  This suggests, incidentally, that the existing list of examples could be cleaned up significantly. Finally, fictions should be separated from secondary sources.  MarkBernstein (talk) 13:35, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on every point. Binksternet (talk) 14:29, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: might be the works of French literary critic Roland Barthes, who once wrote about the freedom of the reader over the tyranny of the writer. (Addendum: I was thinking here of his essay "Death of the Author".) It was a statement that didn't make sense to me until I saw my first example of hypertext fiction, back in 1994. (And that example probably no longer exists, even at the Internet Archive.) -- llywrch (talk) 15:38, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another possible source of influence 

message: Seriously, why is there not even a passing mention of Homestuck in this article? SarrCat ∑;3 23:20, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I am a scholar of hypertext fiction and had not heard of this work. I see nobody has added it to the ELMCIP Electronic Literature Knowledge Base, either, and there are several dozen contributors to that database. So presumably it was not added because not many people who have worked with hypertext fiction have heard about it. It looks like an interesting work though - thanks for mentioning it. I'll take a look at it. --Lijil (talk) 06:42, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most sprawlingly massive and popular work of hypertext fiction ever made... is not mentioned in the article 

message: * https://www.nytimes.com/books/98/09/27/specials/coover-hyperfiction.html
* https://www.nytimes.com/books/98/09/27/specials/coover-end.html
* http://www.eastgate.com/patterns/Patterns.html
* http://sgo.sagepub.com/content/4/1/2158244014528915
* http://www.eastgate.com/download/OnHypertextNarrative.pdf
* http://pmc.iath.virginia.edu/text-only/issue.100/10.2hayles.txt
* http://jilltxt.net/txt/afternoon.html
Just a start, selected off the top of my head as readily accessible and providing abundant lead references. MarkBernstein (talk) 19:32, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This looks like a lot of pointers to potential sources about Afternoon  Rhoark (talk) 20:22, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some useful sources on early hypertext fiction 

message: Borges' "The Garden of Forking Paths" is incorrectly described as hypertext fiction. It actually has a more-or-less conventional linear structure. It is significant to the topic because it describes a novel (in-universe) that has a labyrinthine branching structure in order to depict all possible outcomes of the character's choices. --Tristan 24.86.151.114 (talk) 19:54, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Issue: Incorrect description of the Garden of Forking Paths

message: While looking for more information on the axiel/arborescent/networked stories described in the Characteristics section, I stumbled upon an article from 2015 that has the exact text of that section. I'm not sure if the section in question predates the article or not. If not, the section should be rephrased and the article cited. If so...well, somebody's plagiarizing Wikipedia in journals, so that's a fun thing to know. Also, if this section predates that article, I'd love to have some sources for where that information came from originally. It's very interesting, but many of the links that come back on Google appear to be dead. This information might be disappearing.
99.109.56.50 (talk) 21:08, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characteristics Source