Talk:Bengal monitor

message: Source:
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:91V79RpwWkoJ:www.auromusic.org/online%2520books/An%2520_approach_to_indian_history-Kittu/10.htm+Ghorpad+Tanaji&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5
Atulsnischal 20:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide a reliable source for this. A music website is not at all a reliable source for such historical anecdotes. Please provide a reference from a book or scholarly article that supports the claim. Thanks. --Ragib 20:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the last time, a "cache" to a music site is NOT a reliable source. Provide a solid reference, otherwise the material will be removed. --Ragib 21:46, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tanaji Malsure used a monitor lizard to climb up the fort wall

message: * Tanaji Malusare used Shivaji's famous pet ghorpad named "Yeshwanti" with a rope tied around its waist for climbing the walls of the Sinhagad fort from it's steepest and least guarded side in the dead of a moonless night during the Battle of Sinhagad 
* Tanaji and the brave Mavalas numbering 300, scaled the vertical cliff using ropes tied to a Ghorpad
Wait for help from others
Atulsnischal 22:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's look at why these references are NOT all useful. The first one is from a Music site!! The second one is from indbazaar.com. None of these sources are valid or even scholarly historical sources. Please look into reliable sources policy for citations. Any one can open a website and claim amazing things, and that doesn't automatically become true. This is an encyclopedia, and hence needs to have information verifiable from reliable sources. Unfortunately, none of the above count as such. Thank you. --Ragib 23:02, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Huh? Where does "maratha vs Mughal" even come into the picture!!! You add a tidbit to an article, when asked for references provide a google cache link to a music site, and now making even more misleading claims about what I stated!! Why don't you just provide a reference for the information, from a reliable source (which is not from a google cache of a music site). Verifiability is Wikipedia's basic principle, and instead of finding hidden motives, why don't you just dig up a usable reference? Waiting for that. (I frankly don't care whatever the myth is about, but it needs to be verifiable. Thanks. --Ragib 00:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I have rolled back to an earlier version. This is more of an urban legend in that it is so casually spoken, replicated widely withno scientific/historic references either suggesting it or denying it. I have spent some time getting info and pictures on this page and can be sure that a monitor lizard cannot hold on to vertical or even horizontal surfaces in the manner suggested as to support a human. I converted the original statement to the current form as a statement of an urban legend and think that the onus of giving references is on those who suggest that it is true. A publication from a journal like Hamadryad or suchlike with information on an experiment with a live monitor and load bearing ability is all that is needed. Historical information can easily be spiced up and cannot be verified, the biological facts are easily verified. Shyamal 02:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. However, if there is indeed a myth, as suggested by the sentence in the intro, that should have a reference per WP:V. Thanks. --Ragib 02:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the hard bit. Most herpetologists would laugh at the whole thing without a second thought. However the myth itself is so widely spread by mimetics that the references given by Atul could be considered suitable. It is so easy to throw around some of these folk beliefs, and I think a debunking statement that "there is no support" cannot require a citation. Shyamal 02:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me explain my point. I have no problem whatsoever with the myth. No problem of having a reference to a folk tradition either. No problem having a historic anecdote too. BUT, if this is a widespread folk belief, at least one book, or something else must have been written about this. I am not ready to take information off a music site and paste them into an encyclopedia. That's where my objection lies -- not the wording, not the myth, not mughals/maratha whatsoever. Per WP:V, we cannot allow all the junk floating in the Internet to seep into Wikipedia. I'm not saying this is one, but that's why the citation supporting the folk belief/myth is needed. And whoever adds information/fact into Wikipedia is required to provide supporting references from reliable sources. Thanks. --Ragib 02:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks Nemo, for providing the reference. That's exactly what I was asking for. I've added the note to the page, referring to Auffenberg's book. --Ragib 02:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A really great reference. Thanks for the pointer. Shyamal 09:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Kindly, see WP:NOR and WP:V. Thanks. --Ragib 05:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References I could find

message: In time all concerned please get all reliable sources and give true historic fact its due credit, or just email the Chancellor of Universty of Pune closest to Sinhagad fort requesting him to write about it in detail with all sources and references or another willing professor. They can site detailed print references and books that are not yet available on the web.
The herders are said to train Monitors lizards for climbing locally, there must be more on that too, I have often seen Monitors sun themselves on verticle rock faces or old fort walls, and running up the verticle wall when disturbed. Being reptiles they have to bask and warm themselves in early morning sun to get their body heated. Monitors are good at climbing trees too.
Thanking you all in advance
Atulsnischal 04:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kindly, see WP:NOR and WP:V. Thanks. --Ragib 05:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: '''This is an incedent from a "very well" documented "History" not some spinned "LEGEND" or "MYTH"''', I have been taught this in the school history class

message: * The online Little Book of Monitor Lizards
* Two fighting Common Indian Monitor Lizard males "standing" make the cover of "Sanctuary Asia Magazine"
* The Story behind the Picture - "Monitor Lizards Combat" from the website of Jayanth Sharma's "WILDLIFE TIMES"
Atulsnischal 10:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: Regards, RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 17:11, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
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message: Regards
RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 17:12, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Read + understand this guideline WP:GALLERY. BhagyaMani (talk) 18:00, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
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