Talk:Toyohara Chikanobu

message: It's a minor thing, I know, but I am wondering what the issue is with describing Chikanobu as an ukiyo-e artist. I have on several occasions edited the second sentence of the article to read "Like most ukiyo-e artists..." or "Like most artists in the ukiyo-e genre..." and every time, my changes have been reverted to the far vaguer "Like most artists involved in the production of ukiyo-e..."
Describing artists involved in the production of ukiyo-e as "ukiyo-e artists" is far from an uncommon or unusual practice; neither is it a Western (English-language) invention, as the word 浮世絵師 ukiyo-e-shi is a perfectly normal and commonly used term in Japanese.
Chikanobu certainly was an ukiyo-e artist, just as much as Harunobu, Kiyonaga, or Utamaro were. So why is he not being described as one? LordAmeth 23:51, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classification 

message: These sentences convey no useful information:
* An album of twenty-five triptychs was published in 1877 by several artists, <:ref>Okumura Toshinobu, Hasegawa Sadanobu, Nakai Yoshitaki, Suzuki Toshimoto, et al.</ref> including Chikanobu, which brought to light the events of this important domestic insurrection, known as the Satsuma Rebellion. 
/////This was a album of war scenes (triptychs) offered for sale by a gallery in the United States.  In all likelihood the publisher of this album hired the aforementioned artists to create these scenes of this war and then published them in a single book.  What I am attempting to point out: there were some publishers who wished to present a theme to the public; they then hired artists to create scenes around this theme.  I believe this to have been a common practice during this period.  I am trying to say that this is the only instance of which I know where Chikanobu was a participant; though there may have been other times, I have not been able to find them.  I'm certain this album has since been purchased, and broken up, and sold as 25 individual triptychs so there cannot be any documentation.
GaryD144 (talk) 20:19, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: These paragraphs are restored to the main page.  A "citation needed tag" is appended.  Please feel free to ignore it, if you like.  The tag may yet serve a useful purpose in that it alerts other editors that the relevant questions have been discussed already. --Tenmei (talk) 13:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Sentences without citation support 

message: I removed this phrase temporarily from the main page.
:" ...the Korean Riots of 1882 leading to the Treaty of Chemulpo, First Sino-Japanese War of 1894–1895, and ..."
As you know, this phrase was added in a short sentence which is supported by a verifiable citation.
:These works documented the Russo-Japanese War of 1904–1905.<ref:>Christie's, New York:  Lot 76/Sale 1702, 21 September 2006; excerpt, "Toyohara Chikanobu (1838-1912)... Twenty-four triptychs: Nisshin sensoki (Report of the Sino-Japanese War), signed Yoshu Chikanobu, published by Maki Kinnosuke, 1895.3.6; along with twenty-three triptychs of various subjects, most Sino-Japanese war battles, several Russo-Japanese war battles on land and sea, two of officials at treaty negotiations, most signed Yoshu Chikanobu, variously published;" Artelino,  "Japanese War Prints" citing Shumpei Okamoto. (1983). Impressions of the Front: Woodcuts of the Sino Japanese War, 1894-95, Philadelphia Museum of Art, OCLC 179964815</ref>
I have re-visited each of the linked sources, and I find no explicit mention of Korean riots or the Treaty of Cemulpo.  In contrast, I do find specific mention of the First Sino-Japanese War and the Russo-Japanese War.
The phrase can be restored, of course; but my guess is that this is the sort of thing which needs citation support.  Do you agree? --Tenmei (talk) 22:43, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree it does seem to need a ref. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:44, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Treaty of Chemulpo

message: The images galleries are somewhat larger than  average; but each image in the array is justified by the context GaryD144 has created.  Factors in assessing these galleries include:
* Wikipedia:Picture tutorial supports using a gallery for displaying images which are relevant to the subject of a specific article.
* Wikipedia:Image use policy#Image_galleries recognizes that galleries are appropriate when 
: (a) the images collectively have encyclopedic value
: (b) the array adds to the reader's understanding of the subject. 
: (c) the elements of the galleries are suitably captioned to explain the relevance to the article and to the theme of the gallery
* WP:NOTREPOSITORY emphasizes that encyclopedic context is a core concept in evaluating the utility of galleries which present grouped examples of Yōshū Chikanobu's artwork.
My overall impression is that GaryD144's scholarly approach in developing these galleries does enhance the quality of this article. --Tenmei (talk) 19:22, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image galleries  

message: This article is not about collections but about an artist thus moved this content here for discussion:
==Chikanobu and Yoshitoshi Woodblock Prints==
The Scripps College Collection of Japanese Prints at the Ruth Chandler Williamson Gallery contains over 500 woodblock prints, many of which were created by Chikanobu. Claremont Colleges Digital Library Chikanobu and Yoshitoshi Woodblock Prints. D-Lib Magazine. Featured Digital Collection, Reston, Vol. 16 No. 7/8, July/August 2010. Retrieved 2010-11-03.  Originally founded through donations by two Los Angeles area families, Fred and Estelle Marer and Dr. and Mrs. William Ballard, the collection has frequently been used in the classroom. Coats, Bruce A. "Chikanobu: Modernity and Nostalgia", Scripps Magazine, Claremont, Fall 2006. Retrieved 2010-11-03.  In collaboration with the Claremont Colleges Digital Library, a digital collection for the woodblock prints was created to expand access to the prints for the general public.  The collection, entitled Chikanobu and Yoshitoshi Woodblock Prints, has received excellent reviews from members of the anime community Bentz, Zac. "Astounding digital collection of Chikanobu and Yoshitoshi woodblock prints", Japanator, 10 October 2007. Retrieved 2010-11-03. and the Online Computer Library Center. Online Computer Library Center "Success Story: The Claremont Colleges" OCLC, 2009. Retrieved 2010-11-03.  The most recent expansion of access to the collection has been through addition of certain pieces to the Claremont Colleges Digital Library’s Flickr site.
Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Collections

message: Sentence removed pending further research:
:  A decade later, his work also depicted events in the Russo-Japanese War of 1904–1905.
::<:ref>Christie's, New York:  Lot 76/Sale 1702, 21 September 2006; excerpt, "Toyohara Chikanobu (1838-1912)... Twenty-four triptychs: Nisshin sensoki (Report of the Sino-Japanese War), signed Yoshu Chikanobu, published by Maki Kinnosuke, 1895.3.6; along with twenty-three triptychs of various subjects, most Sino-Japanese war battles, several Russo-Japanese war battles on land and sea, two of officials at treaty negotiations, most signed Yoshu Chikanobu, variously published;" Artelino,  "Japanese War Prints" citing Shumpei Okamoto. (1983). Impressions of the Front: Woodcuts of the Sino Japanese War, 1894-95, Philadelphia Museum of Art, OCLC 179964815</ref>
See diffs  here and  here.Also removed from gallery pending further research:   --Tenmei (talk) 15:15, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Russo-Japanese War

message: This article was removed from Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/ToDo. --Tenmei (talk) 13:40, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer Review