Talk:Golan Heights Winery

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replies: text: Thanks for the thumbs up, BodegasAmbite! I will do what I can.--Gilabrand (talk) 16:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening comment 

message: Someone asked for the photos which are on the hebrew wikipedia. I've taken them at the winery. and I suggest to copy them straightly into english wiki. not into commons. because the license isn't fit for them. Borry 23:11, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I recently added a low-resolution photo of a bottle of their Chardonnay wine. A friend pointed out that the white cloth in the background looks like a Tallit (with the stripes near the bottom); No worries, however, it is not. Rather, its a decorative table cloth that I use during Shabbat. --Nsaum75 (talk) 10:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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message: I was made aware by User:Tomas_e that I had misread this article in Haaretz. I had understood that this would have affected the print label on the bottles but apparently it would only have affected shelf and catalogue categorization. Tomas_e also indicates that GHW did not object to the change in practice, yet this is directly contradicted by the Haaretz source:Sweden has started to note that wines produced in the Golan Heights originate in "Israel, occupied Syrian land," the Golan Heights Winery has informed the Israeli Embassy in Sweden. ... The Golan Heights Winery approached the commercial attache at the Israeli Embassy in Stockholm this week, and requested Foreign Ministry intervention.
I realize that many here understand this article to be about wine, yet it remains about a company and information which has received note in RS should be considered for inclusion on that basis. At the moment the article reads fairly promotional in nature. Thank you for your thoughts and comments, Unomi (talk) 11:33, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The information needs to be in the article, its relevant to the topic.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 17:27, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The excerpt you have shared from Haaretz is not the same as what was included in the Wikipedia article. It's as simple as that. Breein1007 (talk) 18:11, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Israeli wine#Wine regions already has text about this incident. Frankly, I don't think it belongs in that article, and I wouldn't object if that text were moved here, provided it's an accurate representation of the cited sources, and the sources are valid. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:43, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That text must always be in that article because its about "Wine regions" where Golan is mentioned, it must clearly say that its not part of Israel proper. We can have it in both articles. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:51, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The text is a tad on the WP:UNDUE side. Sweden is a very small wine market and its prominent presence in the article gives the impression that it represents far more of the world's wine sales when, in fact, isolated incidences like this impact only a fraction of a percent of the world's wine sales. AgneCheese/Wine 23:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no impression that it represents far more of the world's wine sales. It specifically says that its about Sweden, nothing else. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 23:36, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's irrelevant. Read WP:UNDUE for a better understanding of what Agne is referring to. Breein1007 (talk) 23:43, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not Undue weight. Its information with direct relevance to the topic, Golan Heights Wine. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 23:49, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's undue weight for the exact reason that Agne explained. At this point you are simply saying "no" without addressing the issue. :-o Breein1007 (talk) 23:51, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The only one saying "no" is you, I already explained why there is no impression that it represents far more of the world's wine sales  Then you came and just repeated the exact same thing Agne said above. Great debating! --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your comments just show that you still have not read WP:UNDUE (or possibly that you have failed to understand it). Either way, it's clear that the text is inappropriate as it violates the policy. Whether or not you are willing to accept that doesn't really matter. Breein1007 (talk) 19:04, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have read it, and the text does not violate undue weight.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:39, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Stating that Sweden constitutes a small market does not make the reporting of GWH asking the Foreign ministry to intervene on their behalf fall to WP:UNDUE. That the company thought it necessary to approach the Foreign Ministry invalidates the basis of negligible marketshare, that the consequence of their objection was for the Systembolaget to rescind their decision gives evidence of the notability of their actions. Unomi (talk) 22:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can tell, there was no indication in Swedish press at that time that the winery itself was involved in making any requests. The wines involved were actually the only Kosher wines distributed by Systembolaget at the time, so the presentation of these wines (which is also reflected on their website) were naturally highly visible to the Jewish customers in Sweden, who were probably the ones complaining in return. By the way, this is how the product page for Golan Height's Yarden Chardonnay looks like. Land = country, Övriga ursprung = other origins. Even if your Swedish is a little rusty you can compare to a wine from a region apparently widely recognised as being in Israel which comes with a small Israeli flag and for example Chateau Musar which comes with a small Lebanese flag. Sometime I have to remember to take a picture of a bottle and its Systembolaget shelf label together... Tomas e (talk) 23:37, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There may not have been such indication in the Swedish press, but the Israeli newspaper Haaretz did make it clear that Golan Heights Wine had asked the Foreign Ministry to intervene, see the source at the start of this section. That systembolaget now denotes the origin as being other could reasonably be interpreted as a successful intervention. Unomi (talk) 02:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

text: FYI, the use of "other origins" has been in use for almost four years; the Systembolaget press release about it is dated June 9, 2006. The "occupied" version can't have been in use for more than a couple of weeks, maximum. The story seems to have hit the news around June 4, 2006 (five days before the second change), when it is mentioned as "recent change". Tomas e (talk) 20:39, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As I see it, the fact that the campaign to get systembolaget to rescind changes to its categorization practice was so effective does not decrease the mention-worthiness of it. If this article was about any other company then I don't think we would be having this discussion, the fact that it is a wine company does not change the article to be about wine, it is still about a company and noteworthy interactions this company has had warrant mention. That the company is on record as having approached the Foreign Ministry in order to affect change in a sovereign country's practices is noteworthy. Unomi (talk) 07:59, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

text: New sub cat to a cat currently under cfd is not good faith and might be considered sneaky. --Shuki (talk) 23:21, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Category:Israeli companies operating in the occupied territories" is a separate category and is not up for cfd, you have removed it without explaining why it should be removed.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 23:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Shuki, please stop attempt to mislead reader about where company operate by "Israel".  This be pov push and go against nutral. Ani medjool (talk) 23:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I explained quite clearly the reason, stop wasting my time. Ani, whatever you say. Soon you will claim that this company is not Israeli. --Shuki (talk) 22:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complaints regarding classification 

message: The winery does not belong to Israel nor is it owned by the government of Israel. It is owned and operated by Israelis. Israelis may own a club in the US but that doesnt make it an Israeli club. The same applies here. SyrianKing (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 22:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Israeli company. Government has nothing to do with it. Please sign your comments - thanks. Hertz1888 (talk) 22:41, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. Microsoft would be called an American company at any of its facilities, anywhere in the world. Hertz1888 (talk) 04:38, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel vs Israeli. 

message: Concerning this: , Yarden Cabernet Sauvignon is not from Israel, its from the Golan Heights Winery: --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 00:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "first Israeli wine" then?—Biosketch (talk) 10:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How come you came to this article right after I edited it? What I do know is that its not from Israel. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 02:17, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Please assume good faith, especially where other editors are trying to civilly collaborate with you. just like you, Biosketch edits numerous articles related to Israel, and it makes little sense to attack him if you happen to edit one article before he does.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
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