Talk:Thích Quảng Đức/Archive 1

message: Am I alone in the feeling that the sub-entry on this woman might be misplaced? The quote is somewhat distasteful - I know, it's only what she said, but it's still a very derogatory and racist comment and might provoke vandalism.
I can see why it was inserted, but is it even relevant to this article, which concerns Thích Quảng Ðức as an individual, and not the political affairs in Vietnam of the time? Would it be better placed somewhere in the article for Vietnam or Self-Immolation, perhaps? --boiled_elephant 11:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would seem to me that the self-immolation and the political affairs of the time are central to who he was. A better question: does this quote accurately describe the reaction of the administration? Orthografer 18:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference To Madame Nhu 

message: Some references I've seen cite fellow monks saying that he cut his tongue so he would not scream when he burned.
Or was that an another monk?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.75.231  (talk • contribs) 
* Cutting his tongue would not effect his ability to scream/yell. --Durin 22:13, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did he know that? --Ptcamn 10:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  He cut his tongue 

message: Quite interesting,could anyone clarify how he got a car? or it was someone driving him? I can't just imagine a buddhist monk having a car(maybe not today,but this is 1970s).Also this article needs to be expanded due it significance in Vietnam War
I fount this on article page:
Eyewitness accounts state that Thich Quang Duc and at least two fellow monks arrived at the intersection by car, Thich Quang Duc got out of the car, assumed the traditional lotus position and the accompanying monks helped him pour gasoline over himself. He ignited thegasoline by lighting a match and burned to death in a matter of minutes.
From the prevailing point of view he has been "exclusively conceptualized as a transhistorical, purely religious agent, virtually homologous with his specifically religious forebears and ancestors."
To express will by burning oneself, therefore, is not to commit an act of destruction butto perform an act of construction, that is, to suffer and to die for the sake of one's people. This is not suicide.
:He is one of the leaders of one of the largest Buddhist groups in VN at the time. I would find it much stranger if he didn't have a car.--lt2hieu2004 09:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  His car 

message: My Mother was witness to this, and she claims the car was not his. My Mother watched him walk from his pagoda to the intersection. The car happened to be there when the picture was taken. 
Dan Harley, Jr. - danharley@yahoo.com
:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was don't move. —Nightstallion (?) 09:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Car Isn't His 

message: didn't this have to do with the vietnam war somehow? i'm no historian, but i read somewhere that this act changed many americans' viewpoints on the war. Joeyramoney 00:38, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To the best of my knowledge it had nothing directly to do with the war, although a lot of people seem to think that. Maybe I'm wrong. On the other hand, perception tends to trump reality, so if many Americans believed he was protesting the war, that might have changed their minds anyway. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 00:44, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  vietnam war 

message: U.S. president John F. Kennedy was so moved by the incident that he had Quảng Đức's picture in the Oval Office.
I do recall a documentary stating this, but I can't quite recall the name. Or is there a reliable link that proves this? 68.195.47.239 16:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be a pretty neat trick, given that JFK was shot by the CIA er, by Lee Harvey Oswald about seven months before Quảng Đức immolated himself -- indeed, before the US even started to escalate the Vietnam War.  I'd love to see a source on this too.  Micahbrwn 07:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: JFK was assassinated in November of 1963, five months after Quảng Đức self-immolated. —Captaindan 11:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, it depends what you call escalation ... By the time of this incident, the US was already calling most of the shots in Southern Vietnam. One of the great ironies is that JFK approved the deposing (and almost certainly the assassination on November 2) of Ngo Dinh Diem. Live by the sword, die three weeks later by the (same?) sword. One quote attributed to Madame Nhu (sister-in-law of Diem) is that she said to Jacqui Kennedy, "Now you know what it feels like." --WibblyLeMoende 05:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a definitive source for the JFK statement? 

message: 23 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.10.249 (talk • contribs) 
: WTF? Micahbrwn 07:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please do not post in the llamas section. Drutt 22:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: llamas 

message: I've just edited out a bunch of stuff about Margaret Higgins' books that dealt tangentially with the issue of self-immolation, but appeared designed to advanced political claims more than to provide information about Thích Quảng Đức, who wasn't mentioned at all in the four paragraphs I struck.  That said, looking at the history that content appears to have been there for a while, so I'm not sure if some people saw the value of it. Chris 02:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: AGree. I did it before and someone re-added it. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 04:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Margaret Higgins content 

message: I am contacting user:Blnguyen on the talk page so a record will be left of the conversation regarding the main article's content (see pop-culture section (DO NOT ARCHIVE) for more details):
I’ve read over the WP:TRIVIA page and the material is not "speculation, rumor, invented "facts", or libel." It also says, "Don't simply remove trivia sections [like you did], but seek to integrate each fact into the article in a more organized fashion." However, the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons says that the articles should not have trivia sections. It also says the material should be integrated into the page or added to the talk page for future integration. So we have two choices: 1) integrate 2) talk page. I have a feeling you will pull for the talk page. 
I’ll admit that the first bit about the science fiction movie that makes a reference to self-immolating monks does not necessarily belong on the page because it does not mention Thich by name. However, the south park info does belong because Chef holds a picture of Thich in front of him (on which the camera zooms in on). This material is of proper length and is not a series of bullet-pointed sentences. And the album cover does use Thich’s image as well. I feel with a little rewriting and an introduction to the material, it could be integrated into the page. It could be put on the talk page for now, but it can’t stay there forever. Thoughts? (Ghostexorcist 20:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think the material should be included, but rewritten as not just to be a list of occurrences with bullet points.-h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 14:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I explained above, they were two large paragraphs, not bullet-pointed lists. (Ghostexorcist 21:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The info has been incorporated into the article. --Ghostexorcist 19:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  two choices 

message: It's almost obvious that the two journalists were informed, where and when the suicide was to take place. It's the right place to discuss Communist propaganda, don't remove my texts.Xx236 09:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship 

message: *The article doesn't inform, what were  "the persecution of Buddhism by South Vietnam's Ngô Đình Diệm administration".
*How did it happen that two journalists eyewitnessed the suicide and noone Jan Palach's or Ryszard Siwiec's?
What is the source confirming the alleged Madame Nhu's phrase? What did Madame North Vietname leader say about the death of hundreds thousands?
Xx236 09:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basic informations 

message: What was the persecution of Buddhism - how many believers were killed/imprisoned? Were all monasteries expropriated? Such were the persecution of Buddhism in the SU, Mongolian People's Republic, Tibet, not mentioning Democratic Kampuchea. If you don't know it's POV. You can write eventually what he believed to be ....Xx236 10:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected. Skomorokh incite 04:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the persecution of Buddhism