Talk:Mount Erebus disaster

message: I'm not sure that the times given are in NZST, they could be in NZDT as the crash took place in November when NZ was using Daylight Time. Evil Monkey∴Hello 10:23, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
:The same thought just occurred to me! I think NZDT would be in effect in late November 1979. -- FP 10:33, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
There's a little confusion over time - the New Zealand mainland was operating on NZDT, but McMurdo Station was operating on NZST. I am trying to fix that. Lcmortensen (mailbox) 01:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
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message: Could we please get a route map for this article? I'm having difficulty picturing where the bulk of the  is spent when the return trip from Christchurch to Auckland is only . The only map I see linked is this reference. However, that's more of a crash map than a route map. – voidxor (talk | contrib) 07:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the distance was spent flying to and from Antarctica. The travel agent brochure at NZ History Online for the November 1979 flights has the full route map . Lcmortensen (mailbox) 09:12, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

text: A quick Google search will point to various sites with map images, such as this site .  So, it'll be a matter of just picking one. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 22:25, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Route map request 

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--Jetstreamer  18:10, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archived references not used in the article 

message: I think it's time to start a new thread regarding the addition of recent content  . First of all, the accident is not the 18th worst in aviation history because accidents with more fatalities include collisions between two aircraft and the they cannot be considered individually. Furthermore, WP:VERIFY requires a citation exactly supporting the material added. Given that this is not the case for second citation of the first diff, it borders WP:ORIGINAL. The same applies for the first citation added in the second diff. The 18th worst accident stuff appears nowhere in first citation of the first diff, and the resemblance between the article and that source is astonishing. Clearly, there's a violation of at least two policies in the diffs provided, so I'm removing these edits in a week or so unless strong arguments for keeping them are given.--Jetstreamer  11:08, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, I removed it 124.149.118.17 (talk) 12:00, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Paragraph removed  per WP:SILENCE.--Jetstreamer  22:38, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
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message: There is an external link to the release of Mahon's report, the link claims "In para. 377 of his report,[29] Mahon controversially[30] found that airline executives and senior (management) pilots had engaged in a conspiracy to whitewash the inquiry, accusing them of "an orchestrated litany of lies" by covering up evidence and lying to investigators."
I don't know why the word "controversially" is used. The conspiracy was only ever denied by executives and senior management; the general public accepted the proof provided in the Mahon report.
I respectfully suggest removing the word "controversially" from the sentence.
Thedoctor98 (talk) 05:09, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I respectfully suggest you to be bold and do it yourself. That's the spirit of Wikipedia. --Deeday-UK (talk) 10:19, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

text: I can't say I agree. The article says now, as it did then  that the Privy Council ruled the finding of a conspiracy (or coverup as used in some sources) breached natural justice. It also touched on, with that John King quote a perhaps even more important point, from I understand it, while they accepted that people had lied, they seem to reject that the evidence showed a conspiracy/coverup. I think a ruling by the highest court in the land at the time (whatever people think of the Privy Council or the fact it isn't located in NZ) clearly establishes something is controversial. And an "organised litany of lies" sounds to me like an accusation of conspiracy/coverup rather than just an accusation of lying. The fact that the a big slice NZ public did not, or even does not, recognise this is largely besides the point. You don't need the public to recognise something is controversial for it to be clearly controversial. (And I'm sure there were quite a few people who were not in any way involved with Air NZ or related to people who were who did and especially now, do recognise this. From today, this includes me) That said, I do not feel that simply saying it was controversial is the right thing to do. Therefore I've instead expanded the lead to include some brief mention of the privacy council findings.  If we're going to effectively imply there was a conspiracy in the lead, I think we also need to mention that this finding was rejected by the Privy Council both because of natural justice reasons (the people accused weren't given the sufficient opportunity to respond and/or it was beyond the merits of the inquiry) and because they did not find the evidence compelling. Nil Einne (talk) 15:10, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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message: A film shot by a passenger aboard Air New Zealand flight TE901 on November 28, 1979 is stunning because it appears to show elevation dramatically decreasing before what also appears to be a sudden, abnormal end to filming. This could also be the passenger zooming in on the terrain from an aircraft window. Is it known whether this is sloping terrain right before impact? If it is known - then this information could be added to the article. People who do see the video will undoubtedly be curious and have questions about what they are seeing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.120.205.61 (talk) 19:16, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The famous passenger film prior to impact 

message: I can see devoting a sentence to this in the Legacy section, but anything more than that would be undue weight. It certainly does not warrant its own section. Brycehughes (talk) 11:31, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Leave it out completely, Wikipedia is not a tabloid newspaper.Andrewgprout (talk) 12:29, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine by me. Brycehughes (talk) 23:40, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertisement criticism 

message: :Air New Zealand Flight 901 →  – The common name of the incident. Aircorn (talk) 10:57, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: The page was moved on the 11th May to to Air New Zealand Flight 901. Before that it spent 15 months at Mount Erebus disaster. Prior to that it had been at Air New Zealand Flight 901 since 2005. Aircorn (talk) 11:24, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 11 May 2021 

message: Second sentence, second par of lead says the following : ….“ the commission, presided over by Justice Peter Mahon QC, concluded that the accident was caused by a ‘’’correction’’’ made to the coordinates of the flight path the night before the disaster, ….” Is the word correction a special meaning term to aviation? Can we have a reference for it? Currently we are saying they corrected something but we know there was nothing to correct. Unfair word choice.Moriori (talk) 02:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The word ‘’’correction’’’ is in quotes because although technically it was a correction it had the unforeseen consequence of causing the aeroplane to not be where the crew thought it was supposed to be. Thus it was, de facto (in fact), incorrect, and caused the aeroplane to fly into a mountain.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.126.91 (talk) 11:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we find a better word? 

message: In section "Circumstances surrounding the accident", the paragraph next to the map reads: "The Air New Zealand navigation section changed the McMurdo waypoint co-ordinate stored in the ground computer system around 1:40 am on the morning of the flight from 77°52′0″S 167°03′0″E to 77°53′S 164°48′E."
From the context and the actual coordinates of Mt. Erebus, the position of impact, as well as McMurdo station with its nearby NAVAIDs (NDB, TACAN), all located close to 167°E (see map and other sources), I conclude the cited coordinates before and after the change have been swapped inadvertently.
That is, 164°49'E (well west of Erebus over the sound) was in fact the version on which the presentation, previous flights (who had copied it into their INS) and the belief of the fatal flight's crew were based - prior to the nightly amendment.
167°03"E was the "corrected" position - not exactly but close to the route originally intended and officially approved. Unaware of the change, the unlucky crew copied it and headed straight towards the mountain.
If no one objects, I'm going to exchange both positions to read: "... changed ... from  77°53′S 164°48′E to 77°52′0″S 167°03′0″E." Mibo2de (talk) 21:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Circumstances ...: Probable mistake wrt coordinates