Talk:Florida panther

message: Please consider replacing "wild boar" with "feral pig" in this sentence: "The Florida panther is a large carnivore whose diet consists of small animals like hares, mice, and waterfowl but also larger animals like storks, white-tailed deer, wild boar [sic], and even the American Alligator." All such boars, pigs, hogs, razorbacks, etc. are either domestic stock or escaped/released domestic stock and are exotic species, not, therefore, truly wild, and describing them as such makes the campaign to eradicate them much more difficult by legitimizing them. Autodidact1 (talk) 01:37, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about in Florida, but in western North America there are introduced wild boar that, afaik, are more or less materialised; they were brought by the Russians three or four hundred years ago, so that they could have wild boar hunts in America, as in the Old World. Firejuggler86 (talk) 00:45, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  No "wild boar [''sic'']" in the Western Hemisphere 

message: Also, it's Florida panther, not Florida Panther. Pigkeeper 06:51, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The capitalization of species' names has been the subject of controversy. As of now, it can go either way. --Khoikhoi 07:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: First, I don't take IPs too seriously, especially when they don't post on talk, but insist they are correct in edit summaries. Second, you've likely seen me comment on capitalization, and how I think caps are better than sentence case. I stand by my reasoning. Third, the article title and its text should match. Since you've moved the article, I will leave it alone for now, until the matter is settled at a level higher than this article. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for writing back.  I accept the criticism about IPs, although you changed it earlier when a named user made it lower case.  Also, while I prefer to follow the usage of scholarly and management sources, I accept that there is a case to be made for capitalization.  However, if this decision is made, the naming conventions page should explain that wikipedia is going against the grain in some cases (or is a part of the vanguard, as you might put it).  Right now it says academic practice is generally followed, but that wouldn't be the case here. Pigkeeper 22:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization: Florida panther or Florida Panther? 

message: I am removing the population numbers from the intro.  The citation is 2 years old and the article itself talks about as many as 118 kittens being born.  Although not all of them survived, the number 87 is wrong and highly misleading.
::Two years isn't that far out of date and the number isn't "highly misleading".  Current total number of adults and juveniles hasn't increased that much in the interval.  I think with a dated reference, it is appropriate.Pigkeeper 16:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Updated to 80 to 100, with current reference. Pigkeeper 16:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The most recent FWS estimate (as of 2011) is 100 to 160 individuals--William Stamps Howard (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers 

message: Historical range maps would make a great addition to the article. Would someone who has them please post them.  Avram Primack (talk) 18:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I could probably get one from a report, maybe even myfwc.com, but I don't know what format Wikipedia takes, nor what size is standard for the right box.--Paddling bear (talk) 18:05, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Range maps would be nice 

message: Here are my comments interjected into the posted text: 
Threats
The threats seem to be habitat conversion and loss of genetic diversity. If so start the section by declaring this. Road kill is not the same as habitat conversion and should be included. I suggest that conservation is not a threat, and it should not be the banner of the section
Recovery efforts are currently underway in Florida to conserve the state's remaining population of native panthers. This is a difficult task, as the panther requires large contiguous areas of habitat —
Describe the problems first. They seem to be small population. List the observed effects of genetic inbreeding. Sperm motility...etc here...I know it exists in citable form. Put it in and cite it. Otherwise the genetic problem appears from nowhere to the casual reader.
 each breeding unit, consisting of one male and two to five females, requires about 200 square miles (500 km2) of habitat.[9] A population of 240 panthers would require 8,000 to 12,000 square miles (31,000 km2) of habitat and sufficient genetic diversity in order to avoid inbreeding as a result of small population size. 
This is a separate topic that needs to be introduced and explained or made reasonable in the context of maintaining genetic diversity
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The introduction of eight female cougars from a closely related Texas population has apparently been successful in mitigating inbreeding problems.[10]
This is where the development lead sentence goes. This paragraph reads as if it were the topic paragraph for the section. I think it should go first. 
Southern Florida is a fast-developing area, and declining habitat threatens this species. The two highest causes of mortality for the Florida panthers are automobile injuries and aggression between panthers for territory. The primary threats to the population as a whole include habitat loss, habitat degradation, and habitat fragmentation. The development at Ave Maria near Naples, is controversial for its location in prime panther habitat.[11]
In deference to the obviously interested people who wrote copious amounts above I have not interjected these edits into the article. I suspect that they are better qualified on the information, but not as great at editing. If I return to this article and these changes are not incorporated or these comments not responded to I will make the changes proposed. 
I further suggest that this is an encyclopedia, and the taxonomic controversy is a subject worth covering. Rather than following any one camp each side should respectfully respond to the other or refer to a page where taxonomic naming issues are discussed. Otherwise the arguement is boring academics with no educational intent for the public.Avram Primack (talk) 19:33, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Threat section is confusing 

message: I don't know what the intro was talking about with 'low tides' as a habitat.  They're not coastal/beach animals. I removed it, but do we need a line somewhere to discuss more details of what habitats they've been documented using (flatwoods/saw palmetto, cabbage palm forests, etc.)?--Paddling bear (talk) 18:08, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Habitat

message: While the news from south Florida has generally been received as positive signs for the overall panther recovery effort, concern mounts about the northward dispersal into areas that have not seen,  or even heard about, panthers in many years. Of particular concern to me are the heavily populated areas just south of and on into the Tampa Bay region,  and the possibility of more and more panther/human interactions.  Repeated over and over again is the official line that "panthers have never attacked a human in Florida..."  but most of us, if honest,  know that is whistling in the dark and hoping fervently that nothing ever does happen anywhere in Florida. We are all in agreement about that, I am sure. There is without question a lot at stake for the entire effort,  and the safety of a public that is largely unaware of the possibilities must be paramount.
We welcome the opportunity to discuss these or related issues at our Website "www.floridapantherproject.org" and would welcome the chance to be Linked to Wikipedia readers. We've been doing this for almost 18 years now,  and if nothing else,  we are aware that the number of different opinions concerning panther recovery are as numerous as the number of people that can type that opinion in. 
Respectfully submitted for your review,
(BillyBy54 (talk) 05:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northward dispersal...Pros and cons 

message: *Thanks, from the bottom of my cat-loving ailurophile heart to whomever added the beautiful haunting photograph. Oh, you kitty Cat! Das Baz, aka Erudil 20:32, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Thanks for the photo

message: Some of the sources I am considering to edit the "Genetic Depletion" section:
Pimm, S. L., L. Dollar, and O. L. Bass. "The Genetic Rescue of the Florida Panther." Animal Conservation 9.2 (2006): 115-22. Print.
Kardos, Marty, Helen R. Taylor, Hans Ellegren, Gordon Luikart, and Fred W. Allendorf. "Genomics Advances the Study of Inbreeding Depression in the Wild."Evolutionary Applications 9.10 (2016): 1205-218. Print.
Chadhanaoka (talk) 22:22, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources to expand upon "Genetic Depletion" section 

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