Talk:Robby Robinson (bodybuilder)

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
:Oppose it doesn't have to, see WP:DISAMBIGUATION. Also Robbie Robinson is too close. Btw - if you are the webmaster for Mr. Robinson, can you supply a source for date and place of birth? Currently it appears to be unsourced. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:22, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The text of RR's biography and links will be edited and fulfilled these days/ weeks. We are working on it. But before it could be done, the name of the article must be returned to the original - ROBBY ROBINSON. No one bodybuilder has such a limitation after his name, no matter how similar his name is to any other one. Besides this, there is no any other Robby Robinson on the en.wikipedia so we do not see any problems with disambiguation and there is no any reason to put the limitation "bodybuilder" behind his scene name. It is a discrimination. Mr. Robinson does not accept such a limitation and demands the change of the name of the article about him to the previous one. You should also consider that there are different sources proving that he was also called Robbie Robinson or Robin etc. so it is not wrong as well, but Mr. Robinson insists that his name should be written on Wikipedia as Robby Robinson. RRWM (talk) 08:41, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Support - Sorry, I didn't see it was a WP:BRD (cur | prev) 10:35, 1 April 2013‎ E-Kartoffel (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (107 bytes) (0)‎ . . (E-Kartoffel moved page Talk:Robby Robinson to Talk:Robby Robinson (bodybuilder): not audible difference to "Robbie") (undo) This should be an automatic technical request. However please don't say "must", "insist" see WP:COI.  In ictu oculi (talk) 09:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Tech move request. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:27, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much. When could we expect the promised move back to the original name of the page?RRWM (talk) 15:38, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
From the survey above:
Thank you very much. When could we expect the promised move back to the original name of the page?
Our objective is to resolve most move requests within about a week, but controversial requests can take far longer, and it seems possible that this one will be such a case. 
Thank you for clearly identifying your interest in this matter. That clarifies things a great deal. But I'm afraid that your claiming a promised move back to the original name just risks raising opposition to the very thing that you are seeking.
Your input on talk pages and in discussions such as this is valued, and in no way contravenes WP:COI as I hope you appreciate, and information from your web page (RR's biography above) will I'm sure be added to the article as it becomes available. But I'd suggest that you refrain from further edits to the article yourself. I note that you have edited no other articles to date, and that several of your edits have appeared to be promotional (this one for example} and quickly reverted. The article as it stands  is probably still a bit too promotional in nature. 
http://www.robbyrobinson.net/bio.php seems to be the URL to which you refer, can you confirm this? And are there other sources of such information that you can suggest?
See also User talk:RRWM#April 2013. Andrewa (talk) 23:58, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: To me it seems completely unimportant (at least at the level of a brief summary BLP article) to discuss whether Mr Robinson's biceps are symmetric (or were symmetric, at some point in time). I plan to remove the related sentence from the article unless someone quickly expresses a different opinion. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:38, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. —BarrelProof (talk) 23:17, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: One biceps bigger than the other

message: The claim by User:RRWM that Robinson's self-published memoir won some sort of prize is untrue. See here for the evidence that he entered for something called the "Writers' Digest 20th Annual Self-Published Book Awards", paying $100 to have his book considered; see here for a list of the winners, conspicuously omitting R. Robinson. Brocach (talk) 16:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged award 

message: I looked up the Remi Award info. Apparently, the Built DVD did receive one – a "Silver Remi" award in 2007. I don't really know whether this award is generally accepted as noteworthy, but I do notice that the award does not seem exceptionally exclusive. In that year, there were more than 700 such awards given at the Silver level or above (and more than 900 total). —BarrelProof (talk) 19:46, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You were right to delete that. Basically, any promotional claim made by RRWM needs to be looked at very carefully. This article is now beginning to look like a Wikipedia biography. Having stumbled on this topic only because of RRWM's misguided attempt to rename, I do wonder how many other crap bios are out there. Brocach (talk) 23:56, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

text: *Such a large number makes the award non-discriminatory, I would argue that tends to devalue it strongly. Under the circumstances, that removal was a good call. I'm sure there is much more in Robby's illustrious career to dwell upon on in the biography, but to pin one's reputation on the Remi (and by extension to scream out against removing its mention from the bio) would seem like an extreme over-reaction.And yes, I don't doubt there are plenty of crap bios in WP. I've had deleted quite a few blatant spams and copyvios that had survived for years. -- Ohconfucius ping / poke 01:27, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There are plenty of crap bios in WP - Yes, it's a perennial problem. We can only fix them one at a time. But personally, I'm surprised at how few there seem to be, considering the combination of opportunity and temptation that we present. Andrewa (talk) 00:03, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, thanks go to the many WP editors who exhibit eternal vigilance. -- Ohconfucius ping / poke 02:14, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other award (Remi Award)