Talk:Censorship in Australia

message: The opening paragraph says this:
-- In contrast, Censorship of Television and Films in Australia are amongst the most relaxed in the world.
Which is patently untrue, so I've removed it.
Ramore (talk) 23:42, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
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message: The article is mistaken in assuming that censorship has uniformly lessened in Australia. Censorship has actually increased significantly since the 1970's and many programs that would have been shown on broadcast television now could not be shown. It might be worth pointing out that of the five movies mentioned as being banned, at least two (Baise Moi and I Spit on Your Grave) were previously not banned - censorship is increasing.
:Please provide _evidence_ for censorship "increasing significantly". Your say-so isn't enough, I'm afraid. The publicity surrounding the tiny number of "refused classification" calls that OFLC has made recently has certainly been high, and the number of works on which they have been asked to rule has certainly increased, but to say that censorship has "increased" since the 70s is just, IMO, completely insupportable. I'll be the first to congratulate you if the figures say otherwise. --Shannonr 14:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship decreasing? 

message: It's a bit before my time, but I know Australia used to have another classification level — I think it was called AO? And I think it was instead of R? — which meant "restricted to over 21". It'd be good to see some info about that in the article. — Danc 11:59, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: IIRC, AO was simply the old version of M, although it actually encompassed both M and MA. MA was introduced as a separate classification sometime in the Keating era. At any rate, it's really more of a change of name than a radically different scheme. Lacrimosus 23:48, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Lacrimosus is right. I don't know what rating movies received that would now be rated R (I was only a kiddy when the system changed), but AO was roughly equivalent to M now. Ambivalenthysteria 13:47, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: If I recall correctly, AO (Adults Only) was a rating specific to television broadcasts. At that time there was also a 'C' rating for children's programming, and PG was PGR (Parental Guidance Recommended). Sometime in the late 80s/early 90s (?) the classification system  for TV was adjusted to closer match the film guidelines. La hapalo 04:28, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: (on reflection, it's possible that AO was a historical film classification level; if so it was well before my time) La hapalo 04:28, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  AO 

message: Just a note on the edit I made (bolding Office of Film and Literature Classification): Strictly speaking, Office of Film and Literature Classification doesn't redirect here.  It is a disambig, between Office of Film and Literature Classification (Australia) (which DOES redirect here) and its NZ counterpart.  I have seen Australian Office of Film and Literature Classification linked from other sites so I will create that as a redirect to here as well. -- Chuq 02:26, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  OFLC redirect 

message: Does anyone know if there is an official reference to which words are "bleeped" on television? Or otherwise know which words are currently bleeped? -- Barrylb 15:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bleeped words? 

message: Should we have a section for radio censorship? Like when the skyhooks were banned etc etc or should it be part of the music sectionJeffklib 09:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radio? 

message: I seem to recall that Steve Bracks made a comment a while back saying 'if the federal government doesn't introduce R rating for games, we will'.  Has anyone got any details on this, or what happened? I'm checking Google now, but not finding much - but I remember it did happen... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DWZ (talk • contribs) 11:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately such a thing would have to be a country wide thing, not just an individual state. On the plus side, horribly behind the times TV show Good Game announced that the all mighty Attorneys-General would consult us, lowly peons, on whether we should have a R rating or not. Check out their Gamer News section on episode 17 (http://www.abc.net.au/tv/goodgame/video/). When this will happen I do not know, although knowing GG, this might have already been done by the time they aired this information. (Honestly, announcing that Fallout 3 was banned 4 days after its resubmission was allowed! How slow are they?) I've given up on the local industry when it comes to re-releasing foreign things and have moved onto USA imports. Cheaper and no censors! Of course there's the risk that it might get caught at customs but I haven't been caught yet, then again I haven't imported anything that was banned in this country, not including the questionable legality of parallel importing. Why wait for Brawl when you can have it for almost half the price and 3 months before the rest of Australia gets it? Of course you need a USA Wii too but I got one of those too ;). Back to the topic, if anybody is reading this and is of legal voting age and resides in Michael Atkinson's electorate of Croydon, South Australia. Don't vote for that old fuddy duddy. He is the sole reason we don't have R games! That or he's a scapegoat. Either way, burn the witch! Metaphorically. Serrin (talk) 12:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victoria to create "R" rating for games? 

message: I've added two links to this section refering to satire now being legally protected.  I'll also move that paragraph out of the Music section and into the Politics section.  That seems a more appropriate place for it.Draffa 23:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Music Artwork

message: Right, I've sited the crap out of this article over the last week.  Someone else can take the ball and run with it. Draffa 18:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citing Galore!

message: Television stations seem to have adopted the OFLC colour classifications. Should the OFLC logos replace the current ones in the article? MrTwig 08:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine then lol. I'll try and do it myself. MrTwig 02:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Television classifications

message: Is the history section ever going to be completed? I remember coming on this page about 4 or 5 years ago and those same points were there with a note to the effect of "to be completed". If no one is going to turn those points into a couple of paragraphs - and I'm certainly not - then it should either be deleted or replaced with some actual encyclopedic content that can be cited. That would make an otherwise good article great. --58.105.156.48 (talk) 04:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: What does AV15+ stand for?
: AV15+ stands for "Adult Violence" - Commercial Television Industry Code of Practice - 2 July 2004 (see page 26) - Zzblog (talk) 06:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does '''AV15+''' stand for? 

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message: From the contact page of the OFLC website (http://www.classification.gov.au/special.html?p=8)
Responses to R 18+ classification for computer games
A large number of enquiries have been received about an R 18+ (Restricted) classification for computer games. In March 2008, the Standing Committee of Attorneys-General (Censorship) agreed in principle to conduct broad consultation seeking community views on whether an R 18+ classification should be introduced for computer games. Censorship Ministers are currently considering the content of a discussion paper with a view to releasing it early 2009. You may like to participate in the consultation when it is announced and make a submission.
I wonder if they noticed that they called themselves "Censorship Ministers"
WookMuff (talk) 12:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: R18+ rating for Computer games

message: The rather large section that has been added to this article on personal injury lawyers being forbidden to publicise their cases appears irrelevant, rather self-serving, and smacks of NPOV.  It is rather mischievous and intellectually dishonest for that editor to claim that their for-profit business being restrained by good public policy to discourage a litigation free-for-all, constitutes "censorship".  I suggest that this section be removed completely.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MrUpsetter (talk • contribs) 17:58, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Censorship" of personal injury cases

message: any good reason to why an island created by criminals (england are history's criminal 'lol') have such strict censorship? 
historically it makes no sense, and this page doesn't give any good reasoning as to why?
if you look at the starting history of Australia, you would expect a country of greater liberty and be strongly against censorship yet they have no freedom when it comes to video games "where even adults aren't allowed to get game content, that classifies as having no freedom". Markthemac (talk) 12:34, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Um... what? Dude, the settlers used the convicts to do the slave jobs and stuff, plus why would criminals have anything against censorship? And the island wasn't ruled by criminals or anything, that would probably be the dumbest thing I've heard. Do you think all Australians are like "Let's go and steal some jumbucks t'day!" or "Let's go and steal from Farmer Jack!" Dude... the convicts didn't wipe out the settlers and prevent people from migrating here or anything, it's not some criminal paradise or anything. That's really dumb. Sorry, you've caught me in a bad mood, but that insulted me... plus it doesn't make any logical sense. Kausill (Talk) (Contribs) 13:31, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  created with criminals and it's only less than 200 years ago (history), the censorship deal doesn't make sense. Markthemac (talk) 13:30, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  there is no good foundation as to why Australia is as crazy with censorship as they are, if you have failed to notice i wasn't talking about present day people, i was wondering where this crazy amount of censorship comes from based on the past? it's beyond comprehension Markthemac (talk) 13:30, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Theres no reason to insult us. The penal colony aspect describes only a part of our very early history (If you want to call australia criminals, I'd go for the mistreatment of aboriginal australians, frankly). The reasons are long and complex, but its not really wikipedias role to speculate on why its so, as even the academics are not entirely sure how we got to where we are (I'd suggest its got a lot to do with the disproportionate influence of the religious right on a country whos population is largely quite secular). Lets stick to the fact and leave it to other sites to work out why its so. 59.167.111.154 (talk) 03:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  any good reason? 

message: I propose to write a new section on the recent jailing of Daryl Cohen, an adult shop proprietor, for selling pornography, within the 'Recent Controversies' section.(http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2927840.htm)
MFdeS (talk) 10:44, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daryl Cohen jailed for selling pornography  

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message: This article talks only about bans on extreme violence and pornography in entertainment, but doesn't mention laws (or other pressures) about what you can and can't say, except a brief and buried mention that Australia has no free speech. And that mention has with no explanation about what Australians can't say.
The article should include a summary of these Wikipedia articles: Hate speech laws in Australia, Blasphemy law in Australia, Australian sedition law, Defamation#Australia, Journalism in Australia, Australian Communications and Media Authority, and any others I may have missed.
Compare this article to the equivalent article for China:
"Censorship in the People's Republic of China (PRC) is implemented or mandated by the PRC's ruling party, the Communist Party of China (CPC). Notable censored subjects include but are not limited to, democracy, the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, Maoism, Falun Gong, ethnic independence movements, corruption, police brutality, anarchism, gossip, disparity of wealth, food safety, pornography, news sources that report on these issues, religious content, and many other websites.[1]
Censored media include essentially all capable of reaching a wide audience including television, print media, radio, film, theater, text messaging, instant messaging, video games, literature and the Internet. Chinese officials have access to uncensored information via an internal document system. Reporters Without Borders ranks China's press situation as "very serious", the worst ranking on their five-point scale.[2] China's Internet censorship policy is labeled as "pervasive" by the OpenNet Initiative's global Internet filtering map, also the worst ranking used.[3] Freedom House ranks the press there as "not free", the worst ranking, saying that "state control over the news media in China is achieved through a complex combination of party monitoring of news content, legal restrictions on journalists, and financial incentives for self-censorship."[4]"
So the Australian equivalent should start like this:
"Censorship in Australia is implemented or mandated by Australia's ruling party, the Australian Labor Party (ALP), and previously by the Liberal Party. Notable censored subjects include but are not limited to: race, culture, Islam, Scientology, sedition, white independence movements, systemic corruption, defamation, disability, homosexuality, gender, news sources that report on these issues, religious criticism, and some websites hosted in Australia.
Censored media include essentially all capable of reaching a wide audience including television, print media, radio, film, text messaging, instant messaging, video games, literature and the Internet. Australian officials do not have access to uncensored information via an internal document system, and believe and act on the censored version... etc."
Carl Kenner (talk) 19:31, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Dude, this is wikipedia, not an opinion blog. Like I get it, I really do, as a former Indymedia editor I was directly involved in fighting off numerous attempts by the government and lawyers to censor our work (We even had a motto "Learn to embrace the cease and desist") but we have to stick to the facts. First, political parties do not implement censorship schemes in australia, the government does and they are not the same thing, Civics 101! Race , culture and Islam are freely discussed as are homosexuality and gender. I don't know what a "white independence movement" is, but I'll assume its Neo-Nazi nonsense and yes in some states light penalties apply for stiring up race hatred, however what you refer to seems to be a laundry list of the usual moaning coming from far right comentators like Andrew Bolt who appears to think being criticized is censorship (And in an ironic twist calls for his critics to be silenced). There are plenty of venues on the internet to moan about this sort of thing, however wikipedia is mandated to stick to ,as the detective says, "Just the facts m'am.". Australia has plenty of problems with censorship, quite serious ones in fact, and you appear to have missed all of them on your laundry list. 59.167.111.154 (talk) 02:51, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actual Censorship and Free Speech 

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with this caption: Usage of the Children's interest style of rhetoric as form of protest in Australia by supporter of Electronic Frontiers Australia. — Cirt (talk) 16:38, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to change it as you wish. — Cirt (talk) 17:01, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
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message: I am aware of two books about the same topic which are 'not available'. Although information on super-injunctions is obviously verboten, piecing some puzzle snippets together, it has been mentioned more than once that it is the ruler of an oil exporting country who zapped one book. These are not books by anyone, one is by an accomplished author, together with a partcipant in the murky world of Sydney Inc., the other by two accomplished, still working, journalists. 
These books are not banned by the Censors or by refusal of classification; they are banned through the private action(s) by one or several individuals who have the money to seek a super-injunction because they'd like to keep their activities hidden. They really must have something to hide. One could argue that there's still a court case or two coming out of the topic and thus the two books could be prejudicial, but the judiciary hasn't dealt with the case in 5 years which also serves to keep things under wraps. We need to be aware that we are being duped. I do not want to provide the ISBNs of the books because one page has already disappeared. 121.209.56.25 (talk) 05:35, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book bans through super-injunction 

message: What about this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.172.58.7 (talk) 10:35, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  ASIO raids on media producers 

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message: There seems to be no discussion on consequences of breaching censorship laws - does posession of banned books / internet media etc result in jail terms / fines / deportation, etc.?
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message: So after searching I found this thing. But can anyone else find more recent evidence? The page I found was last updated in 2008.
Lags331 (talk) 11:23, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship in Victoria?  

message: I have removed the reference to small breasted porn being banned as it was nothing more than a rumour that was explicitly denied by the director of the classification board himself (https://refused-classification.com/censorship/books-magazines/j.html#just-18):
"Interestingly and perhaps the most ‘scandalous’ accusation recently directed at the Board - likely to have been prompted by the Boards attention to the breaches I have just discussed above - is that we display a bias against small breasted women…and on this basis… are banning material!
Criticisms have been levelled at the Board regarding the factors it considers when determining the age of persons depicted in publications, particularly the accusation that small breasted women are determined by the Board to appear to be children. This is categorically untrue.
The Board members take their responsibilities seriously and consider the overall appearance of persons and the context in which they are depicted, including text, props and poses when making classification decisions.
Depicting small-breasted women is not grounds for a publication to be Refused Classification, nor do the classification guidelines refer to the size of a woman's breasts!"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.75.209.229 (talk) 13:16, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
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