Talk:Son of God

message: The history of the development of the term in the NT, as Pico alluded to, may need to be developed in the body of the article. I have not actually looked that in detail, but can do. Let us see what a section on that may look like, agree on it, then see how it may be summarized in the lede. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 10:33, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: History of the development of the term in the New Testament

message: I think the new material about the analysis of the statements of Jesus in the NT is interesting reading, but I am rather uncomfortable in it not having attribution, and presented without references that indicate it as the "widely accepted opinion" among the majority of experts. Some of the material comes from highly respected scholars such as O'Collins and Dunn, but not all scholars may agree with the details those two may write in specific books, and per WP:RS/AC if those statements would need direct attribution. These analyses seem to be in the "voice of Wikipedia", but there are other scholars whose views diverge. An example may be "Jesus' (human) consciousness of such divine sonship is one thing, whereas such (human) consciousness of divine pre-existence would be quite another thing." which would probably lead to somewhat heated debate give that the term human consciousness pivot appears therein and may even give rise to denominational debates. 
So my suggestion would be less detail on each individual scholar, more breadth and direct attribution unless the issue is simple enough not be subject to debate. Else we will get all kinds of flags and tags within 6 months saying the article runs against WP:Due because it is biased towards 2 or 3 scholars and others need to get equivalent amounts of real estate here. This is good material, just needs to be presented in context with attribution and due weight. History2007 (talk) 12:28, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Attributions in NT statement analysis

message: In the "See also" section. Can the article for Demigod be included? Isaac Fermin 08:16, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demigod 

message: I broke the previous section “Historic Context” into two sections. “Usage by rulers” and “Usage for gods, demigods and angels”
This article is kind of an impenetrable wall of text but maybe that is the nature of the subject. Currently we have a kind of longish rambling section on “Imperial titles” Parts of that could probably be moved into the new sections or to other pages. That would be a start. Parts of the introduction could be moved as well. 
The introduction current feels over specific. It currently mentions Augustus, Julius Caesar, Jesus and Domitian in a very specific and detailed ways. 
Jonney2000 (talk) 23:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideas for possible future reorganization 

message: The Christian part of this article currently jumps straight into the modern Christian understanding of the title.  Philo's Logos the Transfiguration of Enoch and how it related to  Gnostic views. How the title evolved both In relation to itself and the title son of man could be covered better. Views from the early church should also be covered.
The whole Abba part, used throughout the article, is POV and should also cover the other side. I think most scholars believe that "Abba-consciousness" is simple reading into the original Aramaic text and that Abba does not have special significant beyond say the usage of father. One idea is replace Abba with father in a few places.
These are areas I noticed while researching the Jewish literature section.
Jonney2000 (talk) 17:19, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideas for future rewrite.  

message: Just a word to the wise, the "challenge" in the article sounds like it reflects a personal prejudice. I don't find it coincidental that it was made regarding the Islamic section but nowhere else in the article. There are some people who just refuse to acknowledge that Muslims or The Qur'an speak highly of Jesus as a servant of God. It doesn't use the term "son of God" because in some sects of Christianity, this implies that God has a "begotten", divine son but its discussion is not in conflict with the theme of the article or explanation of the term in a Jewish, Christian and Islamic sense, including comparisons with other uses of the term in the ancient world, specifically in the near and middle east.MARK VENTURE (talk) 16:29, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you read the quote provided?  "Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son." I'd say "challenge" is among the more ambivalent terms one could use to describe this passage; "deny", "denounce", "condemn", and "anathematize" (in a very non-technical sense) would probably be more accurate descriptions of how this passage treats the proposition of Allah having a son. Furthermore, the passage is directly addressing Christian belief in Jesus' divinity and sonship when it says "The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger [i.e., not a/the son] of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him [i.e. not begotten]." It also denounces the Trinity explicitly: "And do not say, "Three"; desist". Jujutsuan (Please notify with  talk | contribs) 16:37, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Challenge in Islamic Section Sounds Like Personal Bias

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message: The WP:LEAD section does not reflect the content of the article. Editor2020 (talk) 02:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: Je veux savoir pourquoi satan est le prince de ce monde et Jésus est le fils unique de Dieu 190.115.183.108 (talk) 03:42, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesus est t'il fils unique de Dieu?