Talk:Tangerine Dream/Archive 1

message: I removed the following from 'History':
:(he is widely acclaimed as one of the masters — if not the master — of the Big Moog;however, those who have heard Froese's solo release "Epsilon in Malaysian Pale" would give the Master's title to him.)
I thought it added little, and was becoming a bit of a fannish argument with no references.Naturenet 08:20, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed text

message: If anyone gets to V or Ossiach Live, let me know and I will supply proper images. --Gadget850 15:00, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A nice offer, but both being long sold out compilation albums which only featured one T.D. track, I don't think that'll be needed. Tropylium 18:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering how much fancruft gets added to Wikipedia, who knows. Kaldari 18:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: I did not see The Dream Roots Collection on the list. Is there a reason why it isn't included?
:The discography lists in this article are selective rather than comprehensive. Feel free to add anything that you feel merits inclusion. Kaldari 16:02, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing album 

message: I removed this section of text, as it is copied from ArticleAlley.  While that article does show as "free for republishing", it does not actually show it as public domain.  It also is contrary to Wikipedia:Don't include copies of primary sources. --Gadget850 21:58, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tangerine Dream: 70-80

message: >the group came to be called Tangerine Dream, a Surrealistic pun derived from German, where "tree" is "baum" and "dream" is "traum."
Is there a source for this claim? If not, I'm inclined to remove it as I have never heard this theory elsewhere. Kaldari 20:44, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's interesting. I'd never heard about that album before. Kaldari 05:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of band name 

message: The article says about Froese, "late 1960s, when he scored an obscure Polish film." Are there any references on this? No results from Google (except for the wikipage), not to mention the official pages. AdSR 22:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only film I kno' TD (or Froese) having scored as erly as in the late 60s is "Auf Scheißer schießt man nicht". I don't see any explicit notion about the country of origin, but since everyone involved appears to be German & the director's last name is "Pohland", I'd bet the "Polish" notion is a misunderstanding. Tropylium 11:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I actually got that from the official TD site (they had the title but I didn't include it because it seemed like too much detail for a film nobody had ever heard of). But that site looks to be down at the moment. Jerry Kindall 04:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Polish film? 

message: 84.223.152.238 recently reverted the article all the way back to an edition from April 15th, summarizing the edit as "removed edits of a mad isolationist man". WTF? Sorry, but I'm unreverting - I see no "mad isolationism" anywhere. The article was progressing well.
I also organized the article a bit further, but the "History" stretch could still use sum work. There's a few paragrafs that don't seem to fit in with the flo' - in particular, the one about lyrics. I mooved it down a bit, but it still sticks out a bit.
(BTW, it might be worth a mention that the discography update by 80.186.143.184 was actually me - wiki for sum reason didn't recognize me as beïng logged in.) Tropylium 14:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done, friend, please go on.--Doktor Who 20:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreverting

message: A text list like it is now, or like Pink Floyd discography, Kylie Minogue discography or The Beatles discography.  Also, see the nav box at the bottom of the PF and Batles pages.  All the PF tracks are documented separately: category listing. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Before commenting on this, I'd have to kno' how much material you're really planning to include... The complete list is this big. Tropylium 13:31, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This subject copied to Talk:Tangerine Dream discography --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Style

message: Since TK came up, I recommend it go to The Keep (album).  There is already an article on the movie at The Keep and a proposal to move it to The Keep (film) and make The Keep a disambiguation page, or leave it for the book.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW: The Keep is now a disambiguation page.  Another editor just added pages for the novel and the graphic novel, so there is a full suite of Keep related articles. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:20, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Keep

message: It seems that Jerome Froese is no longer a full member of the band, but the forum on their website doesn't confirm or deny. He's not joined the recording of their last studio album, so we may assume that he's on iatus. So, let's change the article or not? Dr. Who 00:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The FAQ still lists Edgar and Jerome as the only band members, excluding Thorsten, despite of his participation in "Jeanne D'Arc" (dunno about the last CD, 'cause I don't have it yet :( ). I would suggest to wait until the FAQ shows a change, or maybe ask directly to Eastgate/Edgar (?) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Equinoxe (talk • contribs) 23:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might be right, though de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangerine Dream lists Jerome as a former member, so, who knows...--Dr. Who 23:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Line-up

message: This section could use a teeeeny bit of work.
* I added a bunch of forums; addition of TaDream was long overdue, but the others are pretty minor. In the case of EMforum.li and EMportal.info this is however because of them being two competing successors of the late EMforum.nl (that used to be hosted by the Groove label); one or the other might eventually die out while the other becomes the EM scene hub, or they might both prosper, but @TM it's not possible to tell.
* I had to remoov "Tangerine Dream Great Discography", since the tdgd.eu link or broken and the non-redirect address - tubularcamilho dot piranho dot com - triggers an anti-spam response for some reason. It seemed a bit amateurish to me anyway, but it being in German could be useful. But since VitN is pretty much the de facto standard place for reliable TD information, mentioning normal discographies other than that and our own might not be required at all. Rainer's site has some good info on CDR boots, so I left it in...  James Owen's comprehensiv bootleg tracklist  might also be worth of a link?
* As far as misc. resorces go, there is also a Tangerine Dream webring  altho AIUI it's not of all that much importance. I've also contemplated linking Klaus Beschorner's site , not necessarily for his central role in the TD trading community (irrelevant for the purposes of this article), but for the "More useful TD files from other people's sites" section (incl. the previously mentioned bootleg discography & the fan-compiled TD FAQ) and his wide selection (to the point of being positivistic) of links. 
--Tropylium 13:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My opinion: If a See also link or External link is really applicable to the article, then it should be included in the body as a cite.  See also and External links should be kept to a minimum.  Per Wikipedia:External links, forums should not be linked.  Also see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps I should note that if this article is reviewed for GA or FA, this will come up. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 00:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: per, de facto, prrrrrr, you are so boring, you and latin. :P  Doktor Who 23:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  My life is complete.  Carpe canem.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 00:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Haha, nothing personal, but teachers told me that the use of words of latin and/or french origin sounds strange to native speakers of English, and that in UK this is regarded as snobbish and aristocratic (I just would say stinky old. Doktor Who 00:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The teachers who told you that were apparently misinformed. "The use of words of latin and/or french origin"—and for that matter of certain actual French and Latin words and phrases (and standard abbreviations for such, e.g. "i.e.") has been commonplace in English writing for centuries, and therefore does not "sound strange to native speakers of English".  Just correcting a falsehood, for the sake of anyone reading this who doesn't already know.  False vacuum (talk) 19:48, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: N.b.: Not to imply that I agree with the blanket ban on linking forums, or the idea that "external links" sections are somehow bad.  False vacuum (talk) 19:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

text: The article is slowly becoming very good, and I have also more ideas to further improve it (I'll be back soon).Doktor Who 00:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Tangerinedream.JPG

message: The members list in the infobox has a potential to expand... a lot.  The best option would be to fork off a list, perhaps "Tangerine Dream members and guest artists" or "Tangerine Dream lineups."  What criteria would we use for members?  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be better to have a timeline like in the Genesis article, IMHO. Equinoxe 21:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is neat, but I don't think it would work as well for TD since there are members and a multitude of guest artists.  --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  21:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Members 

message: The Wikipedia article for Legend (film) states that the song "Loved By The Sun" was featured in the film, with music by Tangerine Dream and with lyrics written and sung by Jon Anderson, leader of the group Yes.  I noticed it because I recognized the voice of Anderson, but was surprised to find Tangerine Dream credited with the song.  
This article about Tangerine Dream ought to reflect that the group collaborated with Jon Anderson of Yes.
--— sloth_monkey 01:38, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See Legend (Tangerine Dream soundtrack). I would not call it a collaboration.  To my knowledge, they never actually worked with Anderson, as the vocals were added after they recorded "Loved By The Sun". ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if it was not what would typically be thought of as a collaboration, the fact that Tangerine Dream made a song where Jon Anderson did the vocals is worthy of mention in this article as it is a notable connection to the band Yes.  If you want to call it something other than a collaboration, that is worth thinking about as a matter of semantics, but it doesn't change the fact that such a thing occurred.  It should be added to the article, but how it ought to be added is up to whoever wants to edit this thing.  I'll take a stab at it if no one else does, but otherwise have at it. --— sloth_monkey 07:13, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Actually, I didn't mean to say it had to be in the main article on Tangerine Dream; if it were more appropriate to place the info in Tangerine Dream discography that could make sense too.  --— sloth_monkey 07:18, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Okay, so I added it to the discography page as a minor notation concerning the release of the Legend soundtrack.  I kept it concise as just a single sentence.  --— sloth_monkey 07:43, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tangerine Dream collaborating with Jon Anderson of Yes 

message: There is another one - I think it's the first Tangerin Dream album with lyrics ever- Alpha Centauri. This are  the lyrics:
Der Geist der Liebe
erfüllt den Kosmos
und der das All zusammenhält
kennt jeden Laut.
Der Geist steht auf
seine Feinde zerstieben
und die ihn hassen
fliehen vor seinem Angesicht.
Sende aus deinen Geist
und Leben entsteht
und also erneuerst du das Antlitz der Erde.
Komm Geist
erfülle die Herzen deiner Menschen
und entzünde in ihnen
das Feuer deiner
ewigen Liebe.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.160.73.119 (talk) 16:52, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that these overdubbed spacey words should qualify as being considered "lyrics." If so, we might have to consider things such as Meng Tian as they include vocal samples. More realistically, however, Kiev Mission, Brother or Stranger, Loved by the Sun, etc. all have actual lyrics, but I wouldn't take that to mean that Exit should be considered a lyrical album just because of KM. For that distinction, I'd think we're left with Cyclone, Tyger, Divine Comedy, Madcap's, and maybe Under Cover, depending on whether one sees that release as an album or not. MXVN (talk) 23:34, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 albums that featured lyrics 

message: There was an event called Starmus Festival back in 2011, in which Tangerine Dream participated alongside Brian May, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Yuri Gagarin's space flight. I don't know if this would be relevant to the article but, in case it is, feel free to add the necessary information.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.145.124.209 (talk) 10:50, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I'm sure this will eventually have a mention as well. If nobody else does it soon I may end up adding it myself, though I'm more concerned with reworking some things to show the Cupdiscs, Atomic Seasons, and Sonic Poems albums. MXVN (talk) 21:49, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starmus 

message: This section needs a rewrite. It explains concert dates in great detail (and are these even important enough to warrant inclusion on the band's main page?), but makes no mention of the Atomic Seasons or the Sonic Poems, or anything of the sort. IMO the direction of the band and its members is far more important than "they played this show, then that show, then another show." Not that the tours should be removed entirely, but surely they could be shortened and some album info brought in. MXVN (talk) 22:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added some information to the Going Independent section, and moved the concert updates to their own section below that. This could still be enhanced with some links and further explanations. MXVN (talk) 23:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Going Independent" 

message: I’ve been doing a bit of digging around, and I’ve found the following additional Tangerine Dream albums, most of which are live. Some are cleaned-up bootlegs that were released with the band’s blessing. I’ve included as much info about each album (or set of albums) as best I can. I’d appreciate if someone else could check them out. In my view, a new category should be created called “RETROSPECTIVE” to cover the material released a long time after it was made on stage or in the studio.
“70 – 80”, released in 1980 appears to be a compilation album. As far as I know, it has never been released on CD, so it’s probably a vinyl release. I don’t know what label it was released on. (Virgin)
“Firestarter”, released in 1984. The label is unknown. (MCA LP, Varese Sarabande CD)
The Sanctuary label released a pair of multi-CD sets in 2003. They are…
“Bootleg Box, Vol. 1” is a collection of recordings of live shows from 1974-76. It has AT LEAST 7 CDs, as follows…
Disc 1 = Sheffield, England; Discs 2 & 3 = Royal Albert Hall, London; Disc 4 = Berlin Philharmonie; Discs 5 & 6 = Pabellion de la Casilla, Bilbao, Disc 7=Fairfield Hall, Croydon.
“Bootleg Box, Vol. 2” is a similar set to Vol. 1, but comprises AT LEAST 4 CDs of gigs between 1976-83, as follows…
Disc 1 = Nottingham; Disc 2 & 3 = Lisner Auditorium, Washington DC; Disc 4 = Audimax, Hamburg.
In 2010, the Cleopatra label released “The Epsilon Journey: Live in Eindhoven, 2008”
The Esoteric Recordings Reactive label released a pair of CD box-sets in 2015 and 2016. They are…
“The Official Bootleg Series Volume 1” is a 4-CD set of gigs at Reims Cathedral in 1973, and the Mozarthalle, Mannheim. They are cleaned-up bootlegs that were released with the full permission of TD. I have a copy of this set, and I can confirm the excellent quality (musically and sonically) of this collection.
“The Official Bootleg Series Volume 2” is another 4-CD set of gigs at the Palais des Congres, Paris in March 1978 and the Palast der Republik, East Berlin in January 1980. Again, they are reconstituted bootlegs of good quality, with the approval of the band.
Some of the above data comes from www.planetmellotron,com
Taff Hewitt (talk) 00:26, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Firestarter is already at #23. For brevity we are so far not listing the compilations in the short version here, but they are included in the more detailed article at Tangerine Dream discography. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 15:53, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Additions to the Discography 

message: There's been a few edits changing Franke's first name in various ways. Note that his name in his own Wikipedia article is "Christopher". Note also that there are also articles for a "Chris Franke" (a poet) and a "Christoph Franke" (a football coach). If one is to make changes to Hr Franke's first name, do take care to ensure the links are properly updated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bflaminio (talk • contribs) 22:58, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chris / Christoph / Christopher Franke 

message: Ulrich Schnauss is no longer a member of Tangerine Dream.  His bio has been removed from Tangerine Dream's official website and he now listed as a former member (2014 – 2020) 82.26.24.112 (talk) 10:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ulrich Schnauss 

message: Edgar Froese sadly died on 20th January. Does that mean that Tangerine Dream will cease to exist as a group? The article should be edited to reflect that.--86.152.228.79 (talk) 10:49, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Too early to tell now. Surely there will be an official announcement. --  Gadget850 talk 11:33, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The way the article has been edited, however, implies the band will continue, with Quaeschning, Yamane and Schnauss listed as current members. That is not supported by citations. I'll try to fix that somehow. Bondegezou (talk) 11:48, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, we have no way to know until there is an announcement. Jerome or Thorsten might take over or the TD group may just end. There are concerts scheduled and we don't know the status. I anticipate a memorial concert that would be released as a TD album. But without sources, we can only speculate. We could state that no announcement has been made on the status of the group. --  Gadget850 talk 12:16, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope this answers many questions.  I'd consider Jerome to be an official source.  However, no word from Bianca at this point.  Other than that, in my heart Tangerine Dream is indeed dead, not only because Edgar Froese is dead, but also Jerome has pretty much summed it up for all of us.  I will continue to follow his work, as long as it is similar to his dad's work.  Posted on Facebook: By Jerome Froese --Molokaicreeper (talk) 01:03, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

text: As a counterpoint, Peter Baumann says he's working with Bianca to continue Tangerine Dream: http://prog.teamrock.com/news/2015-02-23/tangerine-dream-to-live-on-vows-peter-baumann -- I guess the real question is who owns the rights to the band now, Jerome or Bianca? Bflaminio (talk) 01:49, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status as a band after Edgar Froese's death? 

message: Says the name was inspired by mishearing the Beatles lyrics but those were the correct lyrics?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by R4h4al (talk • contribs) 22:34, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Monika Froese said it was, Edgar Froese said it wasn't or said that he couldn't/wouldn't fully explain the meaning behind it 82.26.24.112 (talk) 10:40, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Spa is a Past Member? Does she left TD? Nothing found about that on her webpage. --88.70.45.166 (talk) 18:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would actually argue that she was never a true member, except maybe during the '90s. She has only contributed (to my knowledge) one track (Elf June) ... well, and part of Story of the Brave, and since then has always been regarded as a member of the live band but not the actual songwriting team. It would seem that the actual MEMBERS are Edgar and Thorsten, with everyone else being stage musicians. She doesn't even *play* on any of the studio stuff outside of Madcap's and Under Cover, and those 2 were specifically different as they included all the members of the live band. MXVN (talk) 23:27, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have had to do some reworking of this on the main page. Spa, as well as Iris Camaa and Bernhard Beibl, were listed as former full members. What we need to agree on is who was and was not a member. If the regular, continuing, touring members of the band (not one-off appearances) are to be considered members, they should be listed, but with a tag such as (live only). If they are not, then none of them should be listed in these sections. Previously, the article was inconsistent in that it named some recurring touring members as members, while labeling others as guest musicians. I have cleaned this up for consistency, though I think it is still grey area whether these touring musicians from the 1990s until now are actually band members. For now I'll just say yes, because if some of them are, and have appeared in promotional materials (as they all have), then they should all be considered as such. But the (live only) tag should clear up that they were not actually composing members during the time periods in question. MXVN (talk) 23:43, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I started a discussion on Template talk:Tangerine Dream some years ago and the template at that time was based on that list there. --  Gadget850 talk 22:53, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, fair enough. I'm not sure if I should do this here or on that page (I'll just post to both), but I'd like to open up the topic for discussion that if Bernhard and Iris were considered band members, then Zlatko Perica should possibly also be considered a former member as he played consistently with the band live, played on two studio albums, and indeed did appear on promotional band pictures during the Seattle Years. If there is a significant reason why he should be excluded from that designation, that's fine, but many of the earliest members who only appeared for a tour or before Electronic Meditation are still called former members. It would seem to me that he was as much a member as these others from about 1992 to 1997, and then guested briefly in 2003 and 2005 (though he was interviewed in the 2005 SBE video as though he was a member). Was he just forgotten about? ... And I also see that Iris is considered a member as of 2001, but Emil Hachfeld wasn't considered one before she came in. Maybe this last part is how it should be, but this is all a little confusing, is it not? Why are Iris and Bernhard former members? We should be consistent with our definitions. MXVN (talk) 02:55, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been a while since the idea was brought up, and so far nobody has argued against placing Zlatko Perica in the category of "former member." I'm still hesitant to go forward without waiting long enough to hear a solid reason why he shouldn't be. So I'm throwing it out there again before I proceed with any changes. MXVN (talk) 06:16, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

text: Can members dropped from the band purely down to financial considerations be considered full band members? 82.26.24.112 (talk) 10:42, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spa and Perica 

message: The article doesn't say when, or why, Schulze left the group. Could somebody add that, please? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 00:12, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Franke joined '70 to replace Schulze" is intended to convey Schulze left the same year (or perhaps just barely in '69, but at that timeframe anyway). Suggestions for rewording? --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 23:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Klaus was in TD for 8-9 months, approx summer (August?) 1969 - March 1970. He also rejoined in 1973 for a week or so to cover an absent Peter Baumann for a French tour in 1973. 82.26.24.112 (talk) 09:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schulze 

message: I'm going to propose a new add to the 'In Popular Culture' section, as there is currently a marijuana strain in Canada called 'Tangerine Dream' https://www.leafly.ca/strains/tangerine-dream
:Beware, as "too much Tangerine Dream may leave you stuck in the couch." Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  San Rafael '71 Marijuana Strain - Tangerine Dream 

message: Where is it?
1982 173.22.131.123 (talk) 21:00, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logos