Talk:Naruto/Archive 4

message: >British slang is also used in place of more common terms, such as Sakura telling Naruto to "stop giving Sasuke evils" (slang for a dirty look) instead of just telling him to quit staring.   
   
Why shouldn't a british edition use british idioms? Maybe this sentence should be flagged as "partial" or removed altogether.   
   
>British slang is just as unwelcome as American slang, although the quoted sentence is a pretty bad example of a phrase not that commonly known or used even in some parts of Britain. It's also suggesting that it's moving even further away from the original phrasing of the show - possibly the British used the US version of the show for reference, instead of the Japanese one?
You have to remember its not like they just go and dub the anime without doing research. In fact before anything they do recieve a hard copy translation that is word for word what the sentence is being said in japanese but unfortunatly when you translate it into english it may be too long. The final product may leave us with a product something like a badly dubbed 70s Hong Kong action flick.  
Also you have to remember that this was a finish product before the US or the UK got their hands on it. The system they are trying to use is the "Wordfit System". The voice actors try to fit words with the motions of the mouth make it seamless. Sometimes the literal meaning is to much to long for the motions of the mouth. This is where it can leave the voice actor with room to improvise. The voice actors will try shortening what the literal translation is without having the meaning of what is being said lost.
The japanese too have slang that we don't have a translation for. For example Naruto's use of 'dattebayo' or ____bayo in the Japanese version. Dattebayo does not have a translation but its used for a person with rough speech or for a person who is tough in Japan. In the US version the translate this by changing it to 'Believe it!'--Justwisted 14:00, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A bit USA-centric? 

message: As of October 5th, Naruto will be airing on Thursdays instead of Wednesdays. Also, as of this October 5th, one airing will be 90 minutes long. I think the move to Thursdays should be mentioned in the article. IamCool316 01:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 1) What network are you talking about? 2) 90 minute episode have a name? 3) Wait for it to happen, then report it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, you weren't very specific. At least the 90 minute thing sounds hopeful. Until we get a title, however, ther'e not much of a point. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Thursdays 

message: Does anyone else feel the main characters in Naruto (Naruto, Shikamaru, Neji, Sasuke etc) behave wayyy more mature then 12 year olds usually are (I'm sure as hell didn't think they were 12 when I started watching the anime)? I think this should be noted in some way. Kalandra 10:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is very informative and pretty well written. They have helped me alot in understanding the Naruto world. As for the question above, I feel that there maturity is understandable and is implied as normal when you take in consideration the world and culture they live in. A world where they are trained to defend lives with there own at a very young age so they have to matture quickly. Naruto is getting more mature but he isnt that mature in comparisson with the other charicters. Neji and Sasuke come from noble blood so they of course act the part. As for shikamaru he wasnt that mature in the start of the series but after he was promoted he realized the responsability he carried and being the smart guy that he is adjusted his way of living accordingly.BLaCk 22:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters maturity 

message: What I think would improve the general Naruto info is, on each character's page, is a list of every power that character has used. That would improve our knowledge of each move and character! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.135.212.105 (talk • contribs) 11:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List every power 

message: Hey, everyone. I'd just like to point out some points that should be noted as contributing to Naruto 's incredible popularity; when Naruto premiered in 1999, it was featured on the famous Toriyama's World website and always had consistent, high quality scanslations; this was also the advent of bittorrent, which allowed distribution of Naruto to be all that much easier. IRC popularity and the spawning of several large, huge fansites simultaneously dedicated to Bleach and Naruto only further inflamed favour for these excellent shows. Additionally, older manga like One Piece, which could have potentially spoiled Naruto's popularity, recieved little attention because it was widely assumed in the pre-2000 period that the OP anime was licensed, and there was never a dedicated or consistent scanslation group to edit the manga; this allowed Naruto and Bleach to gain much more fame, in part because of dedication and technological innovations. 68.189.82.81 23:5712 September 2006 (UTC)
  
:Cool, but that's original research. To include information like that in the article we really need sources. ~MDD4696 02:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This show is really hyped up. What's so great about it? (130.113.226.6 14:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just mainstream Shōnen stuff with some cool secondary characters. Shōnen's always popular. --tjstrf 01:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Not only that, but it's easily accessible. Weekly editions. Vae 17:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Growth and Popularity 

message: I rewrote a couple lines from the 'Anime' section, nothing but speculation.   
:Though these arcs are only present in the anime, it is likely that their events will hold true in the manga, since continuity issues would be created if they were ignored. No specific comment has been given on their status, however.
 
I changed it to:
:It is unknown whether these filler arcs will be incorporated into the manga.   
I still think even that is too speculatory. If anyone wants to take it out altogether, go right ahead - I just have this hesitation about removing things completely.  Desire Campbell 140.184.32.65 14:36, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime Filler Arcs/Canon 

message: So, does a Wiki specifically for Naruto exist yet? I mean, If they have a whole Wiki on the iPod, then I think someone can create a Naruto Wiki. Wikipedia is like a corporate exec, like Wal-Mart. It has a little bit of everything, but isn't as good as your local guys (i.e.: For music, you want Allegro Music. Wal-Mart sucks in terms of Music supplies). I would personally like to see a Naruto Wiki. Call it AkatWiki or something (Modeled after Akatsuki). 71.212.160.161 05:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can cover Naruto quite nicely here. No need to start forking the database. --tjstrf 03:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Naruto Wiki 

message: In which episode did they say the B word?
:Which one? The Wretched 05:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, either way, I don't think it's on the dub. It wuld be on the Naruto Uncut DVD Box set, but not the dub. The Wretched 05:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The word bitch is not profane in itself.  It's only profane when used insultingly.  I could see the Inuzuka clan using the term in an acceptable fashion.  This is assuming, of course, that by the "B-word" you mean "bitch".  If you meant bukkake, it was mentioned in episodes 5, 9, 16 and 37, as well as sixteen times within the 101 Omake alone.  ;p  –Gunslinger47 02:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If by "B word," you mean "That's bull!" I believe Kiba said that at one point. It was either him or Naruto at some point around their fight, but I'm pretty sure it's Kiba. And was bukkake actually mentioned that many times? I've watched 101 several times (subbed) and I can't recall seeing it once. 'Course, that was several months ago, but I still think I would have remembered something like that. You Can't See Me! 01:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: If they said "bastard" it's certainly not on the TV version. Danny Lilithborne 10:45, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The TV version of episode 25 (The Tenth Question: All or Nothing!), they have Kiba use the word bull ("That's bull, man!"). --Alexie 16:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: "Bastard" is not a swear, is it? at least YTV aceptable i think. Guille2015 17:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swearing in dub. 

message: Where can I get the text for this Naruto template, you know, the one at the bottom of the page that says 'Naruto Universe' and has all the links? - The preceding comment was made by Grevenko Sereth 2:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 17:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Navigation boxes should encompass the whole of a series. Also, it doesn't seem that bad to me. It's concise and well-formatted, not like some other giant messes of links. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 17:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: So will you be the one to tell him that his non-notable and presently non-existant fiction doesn't need a template (or an article), or should I? --tjstrf 16:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering his record shows he has a habit of not listening to, much less replying to, messages on his talk page, you might as well tell him here. NeoChaosX  [talk | contribs] 19:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Am I the only one to realize how rude that sounds? (Even though I agree, preparing a Wiki Page for a non-existant item is kinda premature...) Vae 17:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naruto Universe template 

message: I recently got into naruto cause they jus showed it to england (bunch of bums) and i think its really good now i know every thing about it and read all the comics im into it and i think its really got a good plot and storysoz guy im old yeh but CAN NARUTO BE THE FOURTH ??? just asking cus he wants to live his kinda legacy right
err.... look up Hokage in the Land of Fire section please. That is all.
:4th? That old geezer? No. How about his being the 7th? Anyway, this really isn't a discussion forum and shouldn't be used as such. --tjstrf 23:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naruto 

message: What episode is the English dub up to? I noticed that Naruto will soon be coming out on DVD (October 11 - the first Naruto DVD comes out in Australia), so I'm just curious to know how many episodes have been dubbed into English. - The preceding comment was made by Grevenko Sereth 21:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In America episode 52 has aired and two VIZ only episodes to recap the 2nd and 3rd stages of the Chunin exam. So if you really want to count those there have been 54 dubbed episodes in an English language, and actual episode 53 to air this Saturday. 71.71.79.235 18:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The recap doesn't count. It's a glorified clip show with no Japanese equivalent. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 18:35, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  English dub 

message: On September 10, 2005, Naruto had its hour-long premiere in the U.S. on Cartoon Network's Toonami. The first episode of Naruto premiered in Canada on YTV on September 16, 2005. New episodes of Naruto currently air on Saturdays at 9:00 p.m. EST on Cartoon Network with an encore presentation the following Saturday at 8:30 p.m. On YTV it airs Fridays at 8:00 p.m. EST/PST and an encore presentation at 2:00 a.m. on Saturdays. In the UK, Naruto is shown on Jetix at 7:30 p.m. GMT. In Australia and New Zealand it premiered on Cartoon Network on September 27, 2006 at 6:00 p.m. AEST. The earlier English episodes are also available on Toonami Jetstream, Cartoon Network's broadband video service.[4]
What is wrong with that? Some of it shows when the anime series was broadened and placed into multilingual production. Even if current airing times don't belong, its first airing in a new country should be substanial information to not remove entirely as it shows the growth and popularity of the series. 71.71.79.235 15:27, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  English-language broadcast 

message: I was thinking something was wierd when I added the link to the CCG and the reference to it was removed
Among several other manga and anime titles Naruto has also spawned its own  collectible card game.
Replacing it is this revison
Revision as of 15:00, October 1, 2006 (edit) Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) (restoring deleted paragraph, reword)
I added the card game info without removing anything. Not sure then whether I should again replace the card game info or Someguy mistakenly thought I had changed a paragraph that didn't exist back when I added the info in the first place.
Are card games made from anime/manga relevant enough to list in the main article for such anime/manga tosfurther show its "Growth and Popularity"? shadzar|Talk|contribs 17:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, sorry about that. Someone deleted an entire paragraph. I must have caught your addition with the rollback. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 17:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem at all. With all the recent vandals it is quite easy to strip a part of the article that may belong. I just didn't know if the card game itself belongs on the page or not so I was checking with everyone else's opinion that has more experience than me before I added it back. shadzar|Talk|contribs 18:09, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Card Game 

message: OK iIbeen watching it change back and forth on occation, so can some agreement be made as to how many members it has? Orochimaru WAS a member until he left and there are only 10 rings leaving 9 members of the main group. Considering Sasori was quickly replaced by Tobi for Deiedra to still have a partner, then can saying it comprises of 10 S-rank ninjas be truthful. Apparently there are more than 10 members. Also we don't know the ranks of the subordinates. One of the S-rank criminals left leaving only a definate 9.
Is thre any way to come to terms so that something can be agreed upon by all as to not be some complicated? How about (which consists of 9 S-Rank and other criminals)?
Maybe even remove it from the main article since Akatsuki has its own article in which people can check to see its membership both past and present. shadzar|Talk|contribs 23:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Akatsuki 9 or 10 

message: Wondering how notable the fansub/scanlation groups are and if we should link to them. I know this could be contentious so I am asking first. Thoughts? Uzumaki 18:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Copyright violation issues, and they really aren't notable anyway. --tjstrf 18:31, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder on the notability factor given the number of downloads, but as you say, copyright issues. Thanks for the insight. Uzumaki 18:37, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to fansub/scanlation groups? 

message: Verbose title, so I'll get to the point.
:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/LadyDamondred/NED01.jpg
Joy. No clue when it's actually ending, but there's at least that. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, we'll probably get busted for talking about off-topic material, but where is that from. (I haven't been watching the filler.) Anthr4x 01:32, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then watch the filler. Because that's where it's from. Specifically, it's from the latest episode. Also, this is at least somewhat relevant, as it does signify that the fillers are beginning to acknowledge the timesip in some manner. I added it here because by itself it is not worth mention in the article. It'll become relevant later. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Look, everyone. Animated post-timeskip-Naruto's midsection 

message: If anyone has noted Episode 53 in the US Version, it's started to carry the 'D' and 'S' symbols under the TV-PG rating, and also the 3rd opening has changed but has the original 2nd Opening Haruka Katana. Should this be noted down in the media section or somewhere? RedEyesMetal 17:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a while back, but that entire section of the "american adaption" was removed and not all was replaced. Whether it should be there or not maybe we should wait to se if it is just the one episode or if others will also carry the D and S to show the lesser extent of editing of the episodes. shadzar|Talk|contribs 18:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A slight change in the US Version... 

message: Should this internet airing be mentioned at all? shadzar|Talk|contribs 18:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 18:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am an idiot. I even capitalized the N when you added that line. It has been a long day. Sorry for the interruption. shadzar|Talk|contribs 19:02, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toonami Jetstream 

message: One of the listed reasons that this article failed to win the nomination for a Featured Article is that it contained the word "Hyperactive" in the discription of Naruto. This may have been discussed before, but could I have some view-points here?-Hairchrm 03:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Number one hyperactive knucklehead ninja" is the phrase used in the English dub.  The Japanese version calls him "number one ninja at surprising people", afaik. Danny Lilithborne 03:41, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The Number One Hyperactive, Knucklehead Ninja Joins the Fight!' episode 14 US title. Chapter 24 of the manga is where it comes form, but I cant translate what it actually says. Something like "Unexpected characteristic No. 1 shows participation!". Kakashi calls Naruto this when talking to Zabuza in the dub. shadzar|Talk|contribs 02:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyperactive in discription 

message: I'm sorry, this is remotly related, but all the Japanese characters on my com. are showing up as little black bars and squares. Can somebody link me to the download for the fonts? The Wretched 01:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You will have to check with your browser maker or operating system to be able to install or use special fonts on your computer. shadzar|Talk|contribs 01:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This isn't a forum. Complain elsewhere. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese

message: How in the world did Naruto die in the episode? He comes back in later episodes.
:He's a witch! It's just an episode name. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't remember any drivebys in Naruto....Naruto on the bad side of the Japanese gangsters? --Benpercent 03:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was one episode where he was announced(falsely) to be executed..--Vercalos 04:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naruto Dies Episode 

message: What year or whatever is Naruto set in? (no technology like computers, television, iPods, cars. Naruto did say something about "Why can't they get a digital clock?" No guns, either.)
:Naruto isn't set in any specific time period. Rather, it is set in a fedual-like version of Japan with a modern context behind it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually there is electronics as in both manga and anime they have "radios", headset style walkie-talkies to communicate between team members during missions. The anime also has laptop/notebook computers in the hospital. Not sure whether they were in the manga because it wasn't that clear what were in the rooms where Kimimaro and Rock Lee were treated. Fuedal system world most definately. Probably most similar to the era of Tokugawa Ieyasu but set in its own world entirely. shadzar|Talk|contribs 02:14, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Setting 

message: How do I edit this template? I don't see the edit button anywhere on it, I wanted to add the series' card game under the Miscellaneous header. Also, shouldn't we move Sasuke to the "Enemies" section considering he is no longer a "main character"? Treima 01:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Naruto Info Template 

message: Shouldn't we put in the characters side info the Chakra nature of each one of them ? It could be very informative!Uchiha Gaara 20:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Any user can use almost any technique given enough practice, and we only know a grand total of one. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We have no idea what most of the characters' Chakra natures are. The best we can do is speculate, and thats frowned upon here... --GhostStalker 22:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naruto character info 

message: Changed a line about fansubbing to eliminate original research, and gave a citation.Anthr4x 09:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Growth and Popularity 

message: First of all I would like to say I came here to seek information on the sonic attacks of theLand of Rice Fields/Sound, could someone please redirect me. Second of all, and I notice this in a lot of Wikipedia articles, it is EXTREMELY hard to navigate on these entries that have more than one page for them, can this be made easier to navigate or something? felinoel 22:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thta's what that box at the bottom of the page is for. Use that. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: -_-' Wow, I have never seen those before, although I guess I never really looked at the bottom of the page before, thanks then. felinoel 22:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect Me Please 

message: I added a video game box to the page. The normal editors can decide how it used. I pulled the idea from what was done over at Sailor Moon (The one their is under renovation though)Lego3400: The Sage of Time 19:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video game Box 

message: Hey, why is it that the fourth hokage is the one who sealed the fox inside of Naruto, And the one who replaced him is the third. Did the third retire, let the fourth be hokage, and then re asume the positon after the fourth died.
:Yes. --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya!) 05:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of hokages 

message: 'Guy' should be 'Gai' -- Songbird21 12:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Might Guy. Official guide books spell it as "Might Guy", so that's the name we use, regardless of what fansubs/scalations use. NeoChaosX  (he shoots, he scores!) 05:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It's a direct translation. Maito Gai -> Mighty Guy. I know, it's weird. Vae 17:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name correction