Talk:Chenogne massacre

message: On 2006-07-04 07:41:05, anonymous editor 203.155.1.246 changed the word "murder", in quotes, to "the execution", in the phrase, "An eyewitness account by John Fague of B Company, 21st Armored Infantry Battalion, of battle near Chenogne describes 'murder' of German prisoners by American soldiers..." There was no edit comment about why the change. I think the word "murder" is appropriate, because that's the word used later in the quotation.  I don't see the point of this change.  Over on the Malmedy massacre page, there's a lot of debate about political motivations for this or that change, so I'd feel more comfortable knowing what the anonymous editor is seeking to accomplish.  For now, I'm reverting the change. --Jdlh  | Talk 05:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording "murder" vs "execution" 

message: In Episode 6 ("The Gost War") of "The War" documentary by Ken Burns, an American veteran reports about the deliberate killing of 25 Waffen-SS soldiers after surrender by a death squad in a Belgian village during the Battle of the Bulge. The commanding officer had asked for volunteers including the eyewitness who declined. However, a sufficient number was gathered, and the POWs got shot. Did this account refer to the Chenogne massacre or was that a different one? --Meudonnais (talk) 11:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: there are not enough elements to define whether the massacre of the SS-Soldiers described in the documentary "The War" relates to the Chenogne massacre or not.  One should at elast have the name of the unit in which the witness was enroled in order to cmpare it with the US unit which is accountable for the Chenogne massacre.  --Lebob-BE (talk) 07:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the documentary, the U.S. veteran mentioned above is Burnett Miller from Sacramento, CA. He was a member of the 21st Armored Infantry Battalion which coincides with the unit specified in the article. It appears that there is no particular mention of Waffen SS, just German soldiers (just watched it on YouTube). Miller does not mention the name of the town which is surprising as the Chenogne massacre is well known. However, this article is talking of several groups of POWs joined at the execution place. So, he might just talk of one of them. Unfortunately, he does not give a precise date either which makes it difficult to decide if both killings happened on the same day: Jan 1, 1945. --Meudonnais (talk) 22:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mention in Ken Burns documentary "The War"

message: Joseph Cummins is not a historian, and he's retelling the same testimony from the American soldier anyway, so it's not really adding to the article. I would like to remove unless there are objections. 
Biography from Amazon: 
Joseph Cummins' publications include a novel, The Snow Train, and numerous works of popular history, including History's Great Untold Stories; Turn Around and Run Like Hell; Great Rivals in History; and Anything For A Vote: Dirty Tricks, Cheap Shots and October Surprises in U.S. Presidential Campaigns. A new edition of Anything For A Vote appears on October 27, 2015. --K.e.coffman (talk) 08:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and removed Cummins as tertiary and non-encyclopedic source. --K.e.coffman (talk) 05:16, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Cummins a reliable source?