Talk:Astrological symbols

message: This page was split from the above article to facilitate increased focus on astrological symbols while the other page increases focus on astronomical symbols, which, while they often overlap, also have much that is incompatible for a single article. This article obviously needs some text at the top. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 19:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some astrologists even have "planets" like Chiron and Dark Moon Lilith… astrology has little in common with the real solar system. I doubt Pluto will be dropped as an astrological "planet" any time soon. -- Jordi·✆ 20:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chiron is a physical object in the real solar system, and Lilith is the Moon's apogee - both of which have a whole lot to do with the real solar system. 67.158.77.171 23:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Astrological effects of Pluto in charts and in transit are so overhelming (as strong as those of Jupiter and Saturn) there is no chance that astrologers will ever drop it. GrzegorzWu 08:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Split from [[Astronomical symbols]]

message: What about the '♇' glyph for Pluto? It's in Unicode, and I have personally seen it in astrological literature. I can't say the same about the image currently used. Should both glyphs be represented?Ridan 06:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm at a loss as to where the other glyph came from, in fact. I've never seen it outside of Wikipedia; I assume it's of recent vintage. (My interests admittedly lie more with astronomy, but all the astrological texts I have seen that gave a symbol for Pluto used ♇.) Can someone cite a source for the other one?  –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 23:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The other glyph is as old as the most common one, and is very widely used. A simple websearch should reveal how widely used: I would say that it seems to be preferred to the fused PL symbol. I don't think I need to cite a source since it is everywhere. Just look! JamesFox 04:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've now seen the non-PL symbol. However, even if they are the same age, shouldn't both of the glyphs be represented? Both of them are used in astrology. I'd say that it could be similar to the Eris dual-glyph representation near the bottom of the page. Ridan 03:38, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pluto 

message: I've just done a pretty big reversion. Two things removed.
First the section on the Hindu Zodiac did not belong in the article because this article is about symbols first and foremeost, not the zodiac, there were no symbols in that section.
Second, I see that as before, U+02A1 has been misidentified as the symbol for Ceres. It is actually LATIN LETTER GLOTTAL STOP WITH STROKE, the resemblance to the symbol for Ceres is a pure coincidence. JamesFox 13:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if the symbol is the IPA Glottal Stop glyph, why shouldn't it be used for Ceres, when the symbols are identical, or nearly so? Ridan 02:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You would never see a Ceres symbol with serifs, or a bulge at the tip of the hook, as you can see in the unicode code charts. A letter is a letter, and is used and often styled differently from symbols. Furthurmore, arguing that mere looks make them equivalent is like treating l and I as interchangable. JamesFox 04:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed them entirely (as I suggested when this article was originally split from the astronomical symbols article).  There is no logical reason to include them, as this is an article on the symbols, not on how to represent the symbols in text documents.  If desired, they can be added back as text alternates for if the images do not show up, but should not be displayed if the images are available. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 18:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Removals 

message: The section of the Hindu zodiac with no symbols is back. I'm deleting it. Ridan 06:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal 

message: I would like to replace the lunar node symbols in this article with the better ones here, but I cannot figure out how.  Yes I am Wiki-dumb.  Can anyone help out?  --172.162.2.177 04:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Although the gray background of those symbols is somewhat annoying. Lexicon (talk) 16:00, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replace the [[Orbital node]] symbols? 

message: Is it appropriate to include the "Meaning of symbol" column in the first section's table?  Those purported meanings are by no means consensus among astrologers, and there's no source given.  The "symbol represents" column could use a source, too, but at least it does represent a consensus view, whereas the "meaning" column seems to be some random person's opinion. 67.158.77.171 23:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed; these meanings vary widely from astrologer to astrologer. I say that we should remove them too.  --Wassermann 23:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of symbol 

message: I don't think there's anyone pushing for the circle-K symbol for Eris, so I removed it. Please revert me if I'm wrong.DenisMoskowitz 22:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eris symbols 

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message: Most of the planetary symbols are in the Unicode range 263C (sun: circle with rays) through 2647 (Pluto: PL monogram). Earth is represented there by U+2641, with the Unicode name EARTH. Unfortunately, many (most?) fonts have a circle with a cross on top at this code point, while some (a few?) have the glyph shown, a circle with an inscribed cross like a wheel with four spokes.
On the page, the Unicode chart gives U+1F728 for Earth. This is listed in Unicode 6.2 as ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR VERDIGRIS and cross-referenced as 
: = early astronomical symbol for earth
: → 2295 ⊕ circled plus (I think the arrow there means "similar to" or "is sometimes exchanged with", but I can't find a key.)
U+2295 CIRCLED PLUS, in turn, is relevantly cross-referenced as
:→ 2A01 ⨁  n-ary circled plus operator
:→ 1F728 🜨  alchemical symbol for verdigris (the one used on the page)
:⁓ 2295 FE00  with white rim
I don't know how U+1F728 ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR VERDIGRIS is showing up for you, but I see only a box with the hex digits
 01F
 728
while U+2295 CIRCLED PLUS is rendered as the symbol. This is not surprising, since the high-level charts are much newer in Unicode, not in such great demand, and not so widely implemented. So I am changing the page to use U+2295 instead of U+1F728.
It would probably be a good idea for someone to add the circle-with-a-cross-on-top symbol to the chart as an alternate if there's a way to do it without depending on a specific font, e.g., a Unicode point that specifies just that combination. --Thnidu (talk) 15:52, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earth symbol 

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message: I would like to suggest that you include Decimal as well as Hexidecimal values for the symbols. Currently only hexadecimal are given whereas W3Schools and Fileformatgive both. I tried using the hex values as an experiment and it didn't work whereas decimal values worked.49.206.8.160 (talk) 04:56, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Include Decimal as well as Hexidecimal values  

message: Seltzer invented  for Eris, which is now in Unicode. He also came up with  for Makemake and  for Haumea. (Solar Fire uses a derivative of his Makemake symbol.) Don't know that they're worth including, but thought I'd mention them here.  — kwami (talk) 04:36, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Seltzer symbols