Talk:Ivan Fyodorov (printer)

message: Regarding the phrase:
: The monuments to him in Lvov were annihilated by the Ukrainian nationalists in 1997.
Disregarding any personal judgements about "Ukrainian Nationalists", I
was surprised to see this because I have not heard that the monument
was ruined. I found the following articles (both in Russian) of post-1997 that confirm the monument existence: this 2003 article and also this 2004 article. Please respond with any info here. The info from these articles, along with wikilinked Ukrainian WP article may be used to improve this English WP entry. I will delete the phrase about annihilation unless someone confirms it here soon. -Irpen 19:17, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
:: http://www.sedmitza.ru/index.html?sid=198&did=2302&p_comment=belief
:: http://pravoslavye.org.ua/index.php?r_type=&action=fullinfo&id=6297
:: These articles state that Ivan's tomb and the nearby monument were annihilated in the 1990s. Another monument, erected in 1977 near the Ascension church, was to be demolished by municipal authorities in 1997 but this didn't come to pass "through intervention of Russian population". -Ghirlandajo 07:36, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I completely dislike church sources.  They are very dirty.  Ilya K 13:33, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Well, now I feel I should  delete this mention. Sources you mentioned are propaganda. They contain many mistakes and unwieghted offensive phrases. I can give details if you like. Even if annihilation really took place, it should be detaily investigated. It seems to be a good fact in article about post soviet church authorities annihilating culture heritage. Ilya K 18:53, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Annihilated monument"

message: At the time the inhabitants of Muscovy were called  (see  or ); moschus is therefore simply "from Moscow". Wikidim2 (talk) 01:48, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you really think that tidbit "Moscovia derives from Moschi, the ancient inhabitants of etc"  hold water???--Galassi (talk) 02:09, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  It just shows what "moschi" used to mean in Latin, that's all. I do not understand the reason for your "holding water" comment (and it sounds somewhat offensive to me). I am not using the text for its ethnological value. It is only used to illustrate the meaning of the word few centuries ago. Wikidim2 (talk) 02:17, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. --Galassi (talk) 02:35, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Current text is not supported by any source either. Why did you delete the request for sources? Interpreting the Latin word in a particular way requires a source, especially if the word has many meanings, as this one does. Wikidim2 (talk) 18:35, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Galassi's work-disturbing ignorance at its best. It is common knowlegde that Ivan Fyodorov was called Iван Москвитин or "Друкар-москвитин" by Lvov locals. That's what he translated into Latin. Pretty ridiculous to interpret some deers here. --Voyevoda (talk) 20:35, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can you reliably document that?--Galassi (talk) 20:13, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The tomb of Ivan Fyodorov bears the inscription in Ruthenian language: "Иоанн Федорович, друкар Москвитин, который своим тщанием друкование занебдоша обновил".  What is you citation on musk-deer, stupid? Ridiculous. --Voyevoda (talk) 20:51, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  See the facsimile of Ivan's signature and read up on WP:NPA.--Galassi (talk) 22:29, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Where is your legendary musk-deer? --Voyevoda (talk) 10:50, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musk_deer .--Galassi (talk) 10:58, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Where is the link between Fyodorov and the musk-deer except for your illiterate interpretation of "Moschus"? --Voyevoda (talk) 11:11, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Moscovite in Latin is moscovita, and musk deer is moschus. Duh...--Galassi (talk) 11:31, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Aren't you ashamed of your ignorance? There were plenty of variations of Muscovite, Moschus is one of them. In the Middle Ages, the was a theory that the Moschi were sons of the biblical Meshech. Why don't you just remove yourself if you are not acquainted with the matter. --Voyevoda (talk) 11:57, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moschus in Fyodorov's name is not about the deer 

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