Talk:Nintendo DS/Archive 3

message: For some reason there was a second WFC section right at the bottom of the page. There was no unique or useful information in it, so I removed it. Now there's only the one at the top Noit88 14:56, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of redundant WFC Section

message: They have a slot for it; they've mentioned using it; when will it happen? I suspect it may be used in Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam, which is said to support voice chat. A headset could be used for in-game chat instead of the before-and-after-game chat in Metroid Prime Hunters. --Gaming King 07:40, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headset 

message: This article makes out that DS officially stands for Dual Screen first, however I have never heard Nintendo officially calling it the Dual Screen, but the Developers' System. --The last sheikah 19:38, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, when the name was first revelaed, NIntedo even stated that it does NOT tand for DUal Screen, but Developer's System. Hwoever, fans SPECULATED that it was DUal Screen, and assimilated the name into marketing. Mishy dishy 22:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What DS stands for 

message: The ComfortStylus isn't a "DS" accessory -- it's a generic stylus. The entry seems as though it might exist solely to drive folks to the ComfortStylus website.  Shall we delete it?
69.104.41.102 15:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ComfortStylus SPAM Link?

message: Well, look... the DS/DS Lite are non-reigonal, right? I, an American, can play Japanese games in my DS, right? So, when the Japanese Opera DS Browser comes out, can't I just buy it off the web, pay for the huge shipping, and use it to go on the web with my DS? I'm not sure if it would work... could anyone more knowledgeable on this topic help me? Thanks. aido2002 03:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's possible yes, but you may have to contend with the web browser only interpreting Japanese (I can't really know for sure until it comes out). --Thaddius 12:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I Have A Question...can anyone help?

message: The DS image in the infobox has no source. It may be deleted on commons. Bawolff 05:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: image

message: There is a way, however, to change batteries without losing the data mentioned above. The user will need a charger, the new battery, and the DS to have its batteries replaced. First, the user turns on the System, and then plugs it in. Making perfectly sure that the system is on and plugged in, the user changes the batteries. The user may take as much time as he/she wants. IMPORTANT: KEEP IT PLUGGGED IN! Once the new battery is securley in place, screw in the cover, and use the system normally.
That, is very helpful to the topic, as people will just see "Replacing betteries erases data" and not how to prevent it.
:Howtos have no place on Wikipedia. Please see WP:NOT. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (edit conflict) Thanks for discussing the matter. Also, remember to add ~~~~ at the end of your posts so that they are signed (and so others can identify you have been the one in making that comment). As for your information, that is not the focus of the encyclopedia. Otherwise, we would be adding opinions about screen protectors and how to install them, how to use the stylus to minimize scratching, etc. Also, note that the procedure is extremely hard (for a casual reader), as the user would need to open the unit, which may void warranty. -- ReyBrujo 02:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is virtually no difficulty involved in performing the procedure, and if it violated the warranty, the battery cover would have use a three-sided screw like Nintendo uses for other restricted areas. CrossEyed7 02:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a instruction howto that needs to be in the thingy 

message: http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/gamesoft/daikesyu_4/tokuten.html
so, what's the word?-Malomeat 15:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Special Edition Naruto DS?

message: Okay, this has been eating at me for a while now, but how are getting the numbers for units sold? It doesn't seem to match anything in any of the linked references. Same with the Nintendo DS Lite article. I have a suspicion we're doing something we shouldn't be, but I'm not sure. Can anyone explain what's going on? Dancter 20:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, my question doesn't apply as much to this article at the moment, but currently on the Nintendo DS Lite article, the Japanese figure still doesn't seem to match anything in the cited source. I'm just wondering if I'm missing something. Dancter 21:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  units sold 

message: In the section on the Opera web broswer, there is a citation needed tag after this sentence:
"a cross-platform web browser which will take advantage of the dual screens for either zooming in on certain sections of a website or having a longer vertical view"
The part needed citation is the last part about the zooming in/long vertical view, right ? That was confirmed in an issue of Nintendo Power. I have a scanned image of the page on my computer, is there anyway it could be used to verify the sentence ? Correct me I'f I'm wrong. - ~Viper~ | talk | contribs 23:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that English magazine scans are not allowed on Wikipedia. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:56, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I added a citation that I think works. It's from the blog of someone who does PR at Opera. If anyone can find something better, they're welcome to change it. Also, about whether magazine scans can be used, they probably don't fall under fair use, and thus shouldn't be uploaded onto Wikipedia. Linking to them seems okay, but considering how easy it is to forge an image using Photoshop, it would be best to support them with thorough citations, complete with the particular issue, article title, author, and page numbers. I prefer using templates like , but it isn't required. Dancter 01:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Needed on Opera broswer 

message: I noticed that the article Dual Screen points to this article about the Nintendo DS, presumably because "DS" stands for "Dual Screen".  However, it seems to me that "Dual Screen" as a phrase is a much broader term, including any technology or computer system that incorporates two screens.  Nintendo DS is just one product that makes use of that technology.
I would recommend that someone with more expertise than myself on the issue put together a seperate stub article for "Dual Screen" that discusses in general what dual screen applications are and how they work.  Within that broader article, mention Nintendo DS as an example of a dual screen application at work. Dugwiki 20:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quick addendum.  I just realized that there is already an article called Dual monitor.  That article seems to be a more appropriate redirect for Dual Screen, so I'm taking the liberty of changing the redirect. Dugwiki 20:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Note that Dual monitor redirects to Multi monitor. People usually prefer doing a Google test to see which is the most common use for the phrase, I am fine with anything. The only thing you should do is add a disambiguation link at Multi monitor to point to this page as well. -- ReyBrujo 03:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and changed this to a disambigualtion page; hope this satisfies everyone.  Karaken12 21:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dual Screen]] points to this article, but shouldn't it be a seperate article altogether? 

message: Could someone provide proof of this? This sounds highly dubious as Flash memory is generally re-writable, and I've never heard of Flash ROMs. I know save data is definately stored on Flash memory in the cards, but would assume just normal ROM chips are much cheaper to make and more reliable than Flash for the actual game. --Zilog Jones 19:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, semantics aside, flash memory is often considered ROM memory, despite the fact that they technically aren't "read-only". But I agree: we needs a reference affirming that that the actual game software is stored on flash memory. I haven't had any luck. Dancter 20:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to remove any mention of this if no proof is given in the next week or so, as I cannot see any information outside WP that mentions the game data being on Flash memory. I think it may just be a misunderstanding of terminoligy - the author may have thought "flash memory" is any ROM/RAM in a small plastic card package, like SD, xD cards, etc., not the type of IC memory that it is. --Zilog Jones 21:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Cards using Flash memory? 

message: The article currently announces that "The system is theoretically capable of rendering 120,000 triangles per second at 30 frames per second." Does this mean to say, as is later implied, that the system can do at most 30 fps and, in addition, at most 120,000 triangles/second? The "at" doesn't make any sense. — 84.66.235.49 09:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Official Nintendo information seems to contradict this. According to Nintendo's Australian website, the DS can do 3-D at 60fps. I tried to find out where the 120K triangles/30fps info came from, and as far as I can tell, it came from a purported leak of a spec sheet in 2004. Dancter 20:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that is a bit confusing, and I'm pretty sure Mario Kart DS runs mostly at 60fps. --Zilog Jones 21:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be best if they were noted as maximums individually.  As in 120,000 tringles per second maximum, 60 fps maximum.  Because the game environment varies between games so much, saying it's limited to both a triangle limitation AND a frame rendering limitation at the same instance is impossible to determine.  Also to note, triangle and polygon counts aren't the same so if it's listed officially as one or the other, use it but the two are not interchangable.  I can explain if needed. 17:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triangles/framerate question 

message: Perhaps the main photo should be updated to the Nintendo DS Lite as that is now the official 'image' of the Nintendo DS.
Artimuszeln 00:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Game Boy Advance article shows the original GBA, despite Nintendo not even making them any more. I say we keep the image of the original Nintendo DS. There's already a section for the DS Lite. That's where the DS Lite photo should go. --Optichan 17:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Of course, some other opinions would be nice as well. --Optichan 13:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, this article is about the Nintendo DS and not the Nintendo DS Lite.  Seems pretty clear to me, keep with the pic of the original, but by all means mention (and link) to the DS Lite article. --Oscarthecat 14:00, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Photo Should be Lite? 

message: It's completely awful, has no relevance, is not referenced and is littered with weasel words that slightly bias it against the DS. I think it should be removed; it's obvious from the sales section was people's reaction was. Trip: The Light Fantastic 00:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed it is, and clearly written from one perspective. I recall at the time, from reading no doubt different publications, a very positive reaction to the innovative direction Nintendo had chosen to take. Naturally, that's just another view, but I've edited the section to make it more balanced (eg "some journalists" rather than _everyone_). Yes, there was criticism, but let's highlight the criticism of learned gamers rather than whimsical reactions by generic pundits. Those who've followed the games industry since the '80s had cautious reservations but equally respected the novel ideas in the machine. 86.131.31.5 21:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the Game Boy comparison accurate, or even necessary? I haven't researched it thoroughly or anything, but didn't the Game Gear come out significantly later than Game Boy? How could the Game Boy be initially perceived as inferior to a console which hadn't even been released yet? Dancter 21:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reaction section 

message: Last time I checked (a few minutes ago) MKSD was in SECOND and Nintendogs in First. Personally I like MKDS better, but oh well. Still needs to be accurate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.227.69.157 (talk • contribs) .
Nintendogs is only top when combining all three(soon to be four) versions. I don't like grouping them together, just like I don't like the Pokemon games being grouped together since it's not accurate as to what the top selling GAME(and not GAMES) is. TJ Spyke 04:31, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are to be totalled toegether since they are still the same game, just which dogs are available from the onset differs.  It can be compared to adding sales of a Directors Cut, Special Edition, Platinum/Players Choice/best seller SKU, etc...  The 4th is more questionable as we don't yet fully know the differences between it and the initial 3 versions though most likely it too will be added together in official sales PRs.  How much difference is there between the Pokemon titles?  Does it work the same way as Ndogs whee the game is exactly the same just different starting Pokemon or do the titles actually differ in other areas?   If they differ beyond just initial Pokemon, they yes they need to be split into specific sales.--The Viper 17:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 4th one(Dalmation & Friends) is already out in Europe and is basically the same except a Dalmation is one of the starter dogs. Pokemon is different in that there are Pokemon specific to each version(like how Caterpie was exclusive to Pokemon Red while Weedle was exclusive to Pokemon Blue) and that you have to trade with someone to who has the other version in order to collect them all. TJ Spyke 20:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Top Selling Game

message: What does DS stand for? Dual Screen? --D-hyo 20:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It can. An explanation was offered a little further up. Dancter 20:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Publically, it stands for Dual Screen.  Internally, it stands for Developers Sytem. 05:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DS? 

message: I removed some redundant info regarding the existance of the touchscreen and virtual surround sound in Firmware. This was already discussed earlier in the article. XXDucky21Xx 01:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundant System Info

message: This article much too long, and I'm thinking quite a bit of content should be removed or moved to other articles. Any suggestions? "Third party accessories" seems like a good candidate to me. Dancter 16:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can think of a few items. The e3 pre-release DS doesn't belong in the Tech Specs section, for one. The official and third party accessory list should either be pared down or removed altogether and moved into its own article. The marketing and sales section is WAY too long; is it neccesary to list EVERY special and limited edition and have a paragraph about it as well? The Hacking section is WAY too long, especially since it already HAS its own article. The "emulators" section needs to go with the Hacking section or be deleted altogether. The "trivia" section is insanely long. And the links section... there shouldn't even BE a section for "fan" sites, since Wikipedia is NOT a link repository. Ex-Nintendo Employee 03:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Kudos to whoever changed the Fan and resource links.  Good work!  WorldsCollide 15:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed one yesterday for nintendoevolved.com  It was posted below everything and the link didn't work anyway.  I get almost 200,000 page views and 60,000 unique viewers per month to my Nintendo site and I still don't think that is enough for posting here.The Viper 17:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  article size 

message: I still remember the old pic for the ds on this article.
who changed it?
Someone should change it to something better.
Masterhand10 19:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Errr... Looks fine to me.  Whats the problem with the current pic?  WorldsCollide 15:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Great now we are back to the one that is missing the logos, what is the deal with that thing anyway? Sonic Hog 22:48, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo DS Pic 

message: Can the line about how many AO games there are be removed? That will be always be 0 because Nintendo doesn't allow AO rated games on their systems, Sony and Microsoft have the same policy in that they won't allow AO rated games. TJ Spyke 04:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adults Only 

message: "Nintendo has emphasized that its main intention for its inclusion was to allow a wide variety of accessories to be released for the system" RN 04:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  does this statement need a source? 

message: I have a DS but I don't know what happens once you've started it up, because it's so long ago I forgot. Is the touch screen pre-calibrated, or does it make you do it yourself? If it is pre-calibrated, if you do calibration on the Options but mess up, is there a way to restore it to manufacturer's setting? *red-faced* Vitriol 18:17, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calibration