Talk:Digital Juice, Inc.

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message: To Checks and Balances from a Bangalore IP: you have a clear conflict of interest. If the information on the main page is inaccurate, you need to correct it. Digital Juice must have a history after 1997. When you delete anything after 1997, you make this wikipedia entry worthless. If this article is to have any value at all, it needs to be a more than a whitewashed PR hack. Some information that has been added and deleted includes what happened to Ballistic Pixel, what happened to DJTV and where are most of the companies employees located? I think there are neutral answers to all of these questions. There are also a lot of very positive additions, like awards and new projects, so this can be done in a neutral way. Ex-employees and the large staff of the Bangalore office are doubly insulted when you do not acknowledge even their existence.
More, you should not be editing someone elses comments on the Talk page. This page is for discussion. Do not edit other people's comments.(DJCEO (talk) 00:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha! Too clever for my own good. Sorry! "DJCEO" is meant to be ironic, so it is funny that you find my additions so positive! In fact, I meant them to reflect well on Digital Juice, even though I am only an ex-employee. So why does the editor I am in conflict with Checks and Balances (also an ironic name), Bangalore IP and digitaljuice.com IP always delete my entries? I am sorry "DJCEO" is confusing - I am a former employee and not a bitter one, I just want some history of the company after 1997. The "contributors" that delete everything I write automatically need to be stopped or banned or they need to write a history after 1997. DJCEO (talk) 02:49, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, sorry I mistook you for the CEO. My guess is that they're reverting your edits because they're pushing a point of view. It's not neutral and it's not sourced at all. I don't know where you're getting your information, but technically text shouldn't be added to Wikipedia unless it's verifiable by reliable sources - newspapers, magazines, and so on. The text you added here doesn't have any of that. I know it was a little heavy-handed of them to do so, and you probably should have left messages on their talk pages to try to get them to talk about their reversions. I'm going to try to find some sources for the text in that paragraph and get it into the article. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:55, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Update: I really can't find references for any of this. No articles that I can find mention any connections between Digital Juice and a move to Bangalore, layoffs, contract work, or Ballistic Pixel. Without references, we really shouldn't put it in. I don't know where you got your information from, but gossip between friends or former colleagues simply isn't acceptable as a source. Sorry. As a side note, I found a review of a product from 2008 that says the company is based in Florida. :/ — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 03:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you on sources. This is based on more than gossip but Digital Juice is too small to have newspapers and magazines following it so like most of the content in the article there are not any sources for anything. Digital Juice has a warehouse in Florida but other than freelance workers the entire production staff is in Bangalore. You can see the Bangalore IP coming in and making the same deletions. The article is pretty poor with no history after 1997 and employees that worked there after 1997 or in Bangalore are frustrated the real CEO David Hebel keeps erasing any reference to us. I wish we could be acknowledged in the article. I can link to Digital Juice Animations Pvt Ltd Bangalore to source the Bangalore office in a neutral tone there are google map references and yahoo and all sorts of links to Digital Juice Bangalore. I promise David Hebel will come in and Undo the change. Is there a way to stop that? Thank you for your time. DJCEO (talk) 15:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: An IP from Bangalore editing this article doesn't mean anything; I'm pretty sure that there are more people living in Bangalore than just the people who work at Digital Juice. I'm sorry that you feel slighted by the article, but there really isn't much that can be done without sources. Google Maps and Yahoo and whatever else aren't reliable sources, so they can't be used. I'm probably going to condense the Products section down to a paragraph or two just so it's less of an advertisement, and the History section should probably be cut down as well. As to Hebel coming in and undoing the changes, well, we'll deal with that when it happens. Until now I haven't been active at this article, but I'll keep an eye on it. Everyone - including Hebel - has to follow Wikipedia policies, and blanking parts of the article without justification isn't acceptable. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 15:27, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Just as an update, I've removed the entire Products section. It's really just one huge advertisement and serves little more than to prove that Digital Juice releases products. If users want to see their product lines, they can go to the company's website. I've taken off some of the warnings on it as well. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 15:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  3O resolution 

message: Alright, here's my opinion, though it's kinda hard to give one without sufficient discussion. Basically, I more or less agree with the reversions here. DJCEO, you are almost certainly a conflict of interest with this article, as it's about your company. This article is not a place for advertising or promotion. Information on Wikipedia must be neutral and verifiable. Adding text like "By 2006, the company was producing dozens of new products a year and was also creating free content in the form of a monthly printed publication and weekly DJTV shows." (as you did here) and random quotes from the CEO (yourself?) like here is unacceptable. It's true that the other editors here didn't handle it properly and should have discussed their reversions, but the fact remains that text like that cannot be allowed in a Wiki article. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:37, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha! Too clever for my own good. Sorry! "DJCEO" is meant to be ironic, so it is funny that you find my additions so positive! In fact, I meant them to reflect well on Digital Juice, even though I am only an ex-employee. So why does the editor I am in conflict with Checks and Balances (also an ironic name), Bangalore IP and digitaljuice.com IP always delete my entries? I am sorry "DJCEO" is confusing - I am a former employee and not a bitter one, I just want some history of the company after 1997. The "contributors" that delete everything I write automatically need to be stopped or banned or they need to write a history after 1997. DJCEO (talk) 02:49, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, sorry I mistook you for the CEO. My guess is that they're reverting your edits because they're pushing a point of view. It's not neutral and it's not sourced at all. I don't know where you're getting your information, but technically text shouldn't be added to Wikipedia unless it's verifiable by reliable sources - newspapers, magazines, and so on. The text you added here doesn't have any of that. I know it was a little heavy-handed of them to do so, and you probably should have left messages on their talk pages to try to get them to talk about their reversions. I'm going to try to find some sources for the text in that paragraph and get it into the article. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:55, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Update: I really can't find references for any of this. No articles that I can find mention any connections between Digital Juice and a move to Bangalore, layoffs, contract work, or Ballistic Pixel. Without references, we really shouldn't put it in. I don't know where you got your information from, but gossip between friends or former colleagues simply isn't acceptable as a source. Sorry. As a side note, I found a review of a product from 2008 that says the company is based in Florida. :/ — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 03:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you on sources. This is based on more than gossip but Digital Juice is too small to have newspapers and magazines following it so like most of the content in the article there are not any sources for anything. Digital Juice has a warehouse in Florida but other than freelance workers the entire production staff is in Bangalore. You can see the Bangalore IP coming in and making the same deletions. The article is pretty poor with no history after 1997 and employees that worked there after 1997 or in Bangalore are frustrated the real CEO David Hebel keeps erasing any reference to us. I wish we could be acknowledged in the article. I can link to Digital Juice Animations Pvt Ltd Bangalore to source the Bangalore office in a neutral tone there are google map references and yahoo and all sorts of links to Digital Juice Bangalore. I promise David Hebel will come in and Undo the change. Is there a way to stop that? Thank you for your time. DJCEO (talk) 15:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: An IP from Bangalore editing this article doesn't mean anything; I'm pretty sure that there are more people living in Bangalore than just the people who work at Digital Juice. I'm sorry that you feel slighted by the article, but there really isn't much that can be done without sources. Google Maps and Yahoo and whatever else aren't reliable sources, so they can't be used. I'm probably going to condense the Products section down to a paragraph or two just so it's less of an advertisement, and the History section should probably be cut down as well. As to Hebel coming in and undoing the changes, well, we'll deal with that when it happens. Until now I haven't been active at this article, but I'll keep an eye on it. Everyone - including Hebel - has to follow Wikipedia policies, and blanking parts of the article without justification isn't acceptable. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 15:27, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Just as an update, I've removed the entire Products section. It's really just one huge advertisement and serves little more than to prove that Digital Juice releases products. If users want to see their product lines, they can go to the company's website. I've taken off some of the warnings on it as well. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 15:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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