Talk:Alpha Phi Alpha/Archive 4

message: I know for a fact that fraternity hazes it's members during the pledging process. If anybody of significance reads this, I would suggest investigating them. Paddling, underage alcohol, and strippers are among the known events which have happened.
:This is not the place for conjecture.  If your assertation has merit, please submit third-party sources (newspaper, university, etc.) and they can be worked into the article.  If you are looking to lodge a complaint, this is definitely not the correct location for that. Justinm1978 19:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  University of Cincinnati Hazing 

message: It seems that the dispute over CC Poindexter as founder should be mentioned at the article.  E.g., "CC Poindexter is considered by some historians to have been among the founders..."
--Kevin Murray 21:22, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CC Poindexter 

message: On Firefox browsers, the founding house appears to be overlapping over one of the founder's pictures. That's why I decided to place the image to the left rather than have it overlapping.  Real96 19:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. Real96 00:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture of Founding House

message: If possible, please clean up this section: Fraternities_and_sororities#Joining_a_black_fraternity_or_sorority. It reads poorly and its citations should be footnotes instead. I am also unsure of the universality of said processes; if they are fairly common, keep them; if not, delete them. Thank you for your help. —ScouterSig 16:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rushing Black Fraternities 

message: Found these while researching AKA.  Thought they may be helpful to the article. Real96 18:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More PD images for Alpha Phi Alpha 

message: I started working on a Navigation Box to link articles related to the Fraternity. You can preview it on my user space Alpha Phi Alph articles. Please take a look and provide suggestions/comments on the discussion page. Absolon S. Kent 16:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't mean to include individual members and I wanted you to use the presidents template instead of the list of 32 names you have listed.  I have updated the draft for what i envisioned.  Instead of making this an article, I also think you should consider making this a template that can be imbedded into articles.--Ccson 03:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Linking articles

message: I don't know if we need the first sentence which states "this article is a series. . ." because this really isn't an article.
Add these to Associations
*Head Start
*Boy Scouts of America 
*Big Brothers Big Sisters of America
You may just want to provide a link for General Presidents to this template, Template:Alpha Phi Alpha General Presidents
See also Template:Alpha Men First Accomplishments
I would would keep the section "other related articles" but I would create a seperate section entitled Prominent Members (or something similar).  The related articles should be where Alpha Phi Alpha appears such as Jena Six, Cathy Cox, etc.  You might also consider adding some of the topics the World Policy Council has written reports about, namely Extraordinary rendition, AIDS, Millennium Challenge Account, Israeli-Palestinian conflict, et. al.--Ccson 14:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Feedback

message: Your suggested changes have been added.
The intent of the template is to place it on specific Alpha articles (Alpha Phi Alpha, List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers, Jewel's pages, etc.) to create an easy accessable web.
My only concern about the Prominent Members section is that it may become very long if we try to include each individual Alpha man's page (much like the African American topics template. If we keep it general (List of Brothers, Alpha Firsts, etc) it should remain compact and okay.
I definately welcome additional comments or criticism about the template.Absolon S. Kent 16:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't mean to include individual members and I wanted you to use the presidents template instead of the list of 32 names you have listed.  I have updated the draft for what i envisioned.  Instead of making this an article, I also think you should consider making this a template that can be imbedded into articles.--Ccson 03:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested changes have been added to the draft

message: I moved the finalized template. The code is . I guess we can start to add it to relevant articles. Absolon S. Kent 13:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Finished (for now)

message: Why were so many images deleted? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Alpha&diff=161661030&oldid=161332341  thanks LearningDisorder 05:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They were copyright violations and never should have been uploaded to wikipedia.--Ccson 12:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Deletion 

message: I noticed this sentence today, and I'm questioning the source's validity as it pertains to the article:
The history books of Kappa Alpha Psi, Omega Psi Phi and Phi Beta Sigma omit the fraternity's place and contribution to the college Negro fraternal movement. Historian and Alpha archivist Herman Mason has stated, "As a historian who recognizes that laying a foundation for any period of history, I find their omission inexcusable and without merit."
On the source cited (http://www.skipmason.com/hm/hm08.htm) the author states at the bottom:
DISCLAIMER: This page is not affiliated with the National Organization. I am not the Historian of the fraternity, just a brother who is and has always been thirsty for more knowledge on this organization. The information provided has been thoroughly researched and documented and is brought to you with all the fraternal love and spirit I possess. Sources are available upon request.
I do not think this can be considered reliable source, especially since the content is not affiliated with the national organization, and the author is not the org's historian.  I'm also questioning what benefit it provides to the article.  I'm not looking for a conflict, I just don't find this particular to be all that helpful to the article, in fact I find it to be derisive to the other organizations listed.  Some thoughts on this?  Ccson, I'm assuming you have several :) 
Note:  I am not affiliated in any way with Alpha Phi Alpha, Kappa Alpha Psi, Omega Psi Phi or Phi Beta Sigma.  Justinm1978 04:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Mason own website would be a reliable source for his comments.  Concerning your thoughts on the national office, you know very well that if sources were limited to the national office, an article would lose all credibility and its status (see  discussion).  Yes, it's ostensible you're not a member of a NPHC group, you're affiliated with Alpha Phi Omega, however; your interest in "augmenting" Alpha Phi Alpha and other NPHC orgs is well documented here and here.--Ccson 13:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

text: HISTORY—There were  big discussion in  Fall 2005 and Fall 2006 contesting APA being the first black GLO, so I guess its time for an anniversary in Fall 2007.  The entire paragraph which contains the questionable sentence was added based on that discussion to substantiate that APA was the first.  You will not find a similar paragraph concerning BGLOs in the other NPHC articles, and I really don't care if this entire paragraph is removed from the APA article; I just don't want to have that discission again.  The comments from Mason and Wesley were added to support the claim.  In fact, only a few days ago, another user added text to contest this, see APA.  Since Black Greek Letter Organizations is the last paragraph, I hope you enjoyed reading about APA, please continue to keep the regular APA editors on our toes because that's one way to ensure the article continues to be one of the best wikipedia has to offer.--Ccson 13:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not looking to contest APA's standing as the oldest BGLO, you and other editors have done a remarkable job with clarifying its place in history.  I guess I just don't like seeing GLOs taking stabs at other GLOs.  I don't think it is appropriate for this article's to criticize what someone else does or does not have in their history books.  I'm not disputing it, I just don't see the value it adds.  Since you said you wouldn't object to the paragraph being removed, I'm going to do so.  My aim isn't to cover up any history here.  I have enjoyed reading about APA, and again hats off to what you've accomplished with this article thus far. Justinm1978 17:34, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not really what I said–is it?  I was referring to the Black Greek letter Organizations paragraph within the article.  You simply removed the "sentence" you found objectionable, not the paragraph I stipulated was only in 1 of the 9 NPHC Black Greek letter organizations.  I know you weren't disputing, I was simply providing the basis of why the section was even included and that all text was agreed to as a compromise and hope you would understand why the sentence needed to remain in the article as long as the section Black Greet letter Organizations remained in the article.  Why don't you add your revised section to all the NPHC articles?--Ccson 21:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History sentence

message: this looks like some sort of abuse. Alpha phi alpha is the official name, I know at times they are known as Apes but monkey is an odd and in an odd place, the founding of monkey phi monkey? odd.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.23.116.147 (talk) 22:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its VANDALISM!--Ccson 16:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monkey phi monkey  

message: to Fraternities and Sororities. Any objections? Miranda 22:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: no objections, but I would not post the last paragraph in the Fraternites and sororities artricle.--Ccson 16:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Miranda 23:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  merging of Black college Greek movement 

message: I would appreciate any help that anyone can give on this article.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry_black_man_syndrome Armyguy11 (talk) 00:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible help in expansion of article 

message: What page # is cite #103? Miranda 02:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cite #103

message: I don't dispute that there is likely to be a place for the Seven Architects on this page, but is this the poster that was actually producted on the issues of voting? If so, is there additional text missing that accompanied the poster?Naraht (talk) 18:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Seven Architects

message: Intercollegiate black Fraternity  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.204.90 (talk) 02:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Vassyana, I think this issue is considered closed. Mediation is existing among a banned user. :-( miranda 06:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: First or Oldest?

message: It seems as though most sources indicate that Alpha Phi Alpha was the earliest national black fraternity. One of the sources provided in support of Gamma Phi's earlier claim status supports this claim, referring to Gamma Phi as among the predecessor attempts (previous to the later national fraternities), along with Alpha Kappa Nu. It is correct, according to the vast majority of sources, to clearly state that Alpha Phi Alpha is the earliest national black fraternity. Conflicting claims to the status of the earliest intercollegiate or national fraternity of this sort should probably not be addressed in this article, considering the uniform support of Alpha Phi Alpha's status in most reliable sources. If a fair number of reputable references explicitly make claims to the contrary, a passing mention of this fact and the reasons those sources present would be appropriate. Otherwise, we should stick to the sources, which place Alpha Phi Alpha as the earliest of its particular kind. Vassyana (talk) 01:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Vassyana, I think this issue is considered closed. Mediation is existing among a banned user. :-( miranda 06:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: Hi, I noticed you are looking for some help on disputes on the case, and listed it at the mediation cabal. If you'd like, I'd be happy to help out. Let me know if you want me to help out, or if you'd rather have someone else to help you. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 21:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: the user who requested mediation has no contributions since he created the request, was only a wikipedian for 2 days, and he never attempted to resolve the issues on the talk page.--Ccson (talk) 04:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Again, my question is how in the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution proess did me skip from Step 2 to Step 5.8?--Ccson (talk) 13:50, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The mediation has been requested, and I'm offering to help out as a mediator. If you believe the subject would be helped more if you further discuss it here first, or if you'd rather get a third opinion per WP:3O, that is fine as well. Just know that mediation is an option, even if not every step in the dispute resultion process is followed. Coming to an agreement is more important than following processes. Let me know here, or on my talkpage, which action you prefer. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 14:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My suggestion is not to mediate a case which was brought up by a sock of a banned user. I am taking this to ANI. miranda 16:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ROF is now blocked. If MKF pops up with a new sock attacking me/harrassing me or others/POV pushing APA/filing SSP and checkusers, report to ANI please to block this user. miranda 21:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mediation

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replies: text: I would support this change, largely due to the first and third reasons mentioned above.  I've always thought that date-autoformatting is merely an option, not a requirement.  As such, I doubt you will meet much opposition.  ŁittleÄlien¹8² (talk\contribs) 17:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to remove date-autoformatting

message: when a fraternity is founded before others wouldn't it be considered to be the first?
http://www.baltimorecitypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=12053\
http://www.skipmason.com/hm/hm08.htm
-- jamal thomas  —Preceding unsigned comment added by JamalThomas (talk • contribs) 00:06, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Phi Betta Kappa is generally recognized as the first fraternity, everything else follows; however, some groups have qualified "first" with jewish, social, founded at a HBCU, etc, which may be true.  If your question is to Phi Beta Kappa, the answer is "yes", Did you want to qualify your question?--Ccson (talk) 22:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: founding

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:JesseOwens 1936Olympics.jpg

message: All,
I have updated the founding of Alpha Phi Alpha to provide more of a holistic story of the founding of Alpha Phi Alpha. My sources are derived from Cornell University itself where I studied as an undergrad. I am also a brother in the fraternity and used Dr. Wesley's book to back up my claims. The information, perhaps not often seen comes from our open archives in the Kroch Library at Cornell University.
When I first posted the change, it was removed due to it not being neutral. I have since changed the founding to be more of a neutral stance on the founding of Alpha Phi Alpha. I actually include more of the history of Cornell University  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.94.121 (talk) 07:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The history of Cornell University belongs in the Cornell University article.  Also, APA is not a service fraternity, per Title IX.  The edits are rather peacock-ish, hence why I removed them. Justinm1978 (talk) 14:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Whether or not I am a brother of APA has nothing to do with this.  Your comment on that it was founded in Ithaca and not at Cornell is directly contrary to what the national website says on that matter.  You are free to continue to make edits, but be aware that you are not the only one who can edit, and as this is a feature article, any and all edits will get scrutinized (not just yours, mine included). Justinm1978 (talk) 17:24, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Alpha Phi Alpha does not own this article, and neither do you.  Your comfort level with another editor making changes here has no bearing at all in what the content of this article contain.  Your request to have me refrain from editing so someone else can review your changes is not appropriate. Justinm1978 (talk) 18:09, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm not denying that you can update the page, I am telling you that per Wikipedia policy, you have zero right to tell me that I can or can not update this page.  This is not a place for APA to advertise itself.  You can't restrict editing of a page only to members, that is a direct conflict of interest.  What this page says about APA is not APA's business, it is Wikipedia's.  Justinm1978 (talk) 19:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Blexboy1: Pretty much what Justinm1978 said. Much of your edits—both in the content you are adding and its style of phrasing—are unsuitable. Additionally, often the wording is not only over-elaborate, but is very dated in style; it doesn't necessarily show plagiarism, but makes us think; just saying. I'm happy to give you a few examples, at your request, using the wording you added. Wikipedia core content policies require all content is written from a neutral point of view, and is verifiable to a reliable source; the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. By looking at the article a reader should not be able to tell if the contributors were 'sympathetic' or in 'opposition' to the fraternity—or what the contributors thought at all. –Whitehorse1 21:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm not going to go into legalities either, but realize that you're not exactly correct in this regard.  It is not APA's place to "make sure that this information is correct", since that can lead to censorship.  The fact that you have a vested interest is a direct conflict of interest and is reason enough why you shouldn't be editing this article as much as you are.  Also, do note that this is a neutral article, and removing of information that paints APA in a bad light (such as the removal of the "Hell Week" citation) is not keeping with that spirit of neutrality.  Actions like that can make one question your motives in contributing to this article.  I'm not making any accusations, I'm just saying what it can look like. Justinm1978 (talk) 20:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Just because they don't endorse it now doesn't mean it didn't happen THEN.  This is white-washing bias, and is unacceptable.  I'm going to be removing your edits and restoring the article back to how it was a couple of days ago, since your cited source fails WP:V. Justinm1978 (talk) 22:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

text: It was added back in good-faith by another editor. Whether hell week and such are/were sanctioned by the fraternity is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if you don't "like" that a particular thing happened or don't "want" it included in the article. What matters, is whether a reliable source states that it happened. In this case, I looked at the online source and it did not appear to back up the sentence in the article. So, I removed it and explained why in my edit summary. (The source, a then-archivist, had interviewed a DST alumna, discussing her experiences in that org.) If my good-faith belief turns out to be incorrect, another editor may re-add it. That is how it works here. –Whitehorse1 22:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

text: This is getting ridiculous.  I have requested page protection.  The vast majority of this stuff is trivial, and the stuff that isn't trivial belongs in the Cornell article. Justinm1978 (talk) 21:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've opposed it. From what I can see, we now have IP-editors—like the one immediately above— making careful, measured and good-faith attempts to understand verification/reliable-sourcing importance, and work within 'pedia community norms & policies. I'm very reluctant to disallow editing like that. –Whitehorse1 23:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree with Justinm.  The information on Cornell University, the beliefs of Ezra Cornell, or the use/purpose of Annie Singleton have no critical basis on how Alpha was founded.  Any reader of this article certainly can click on the link for Cornell University if they want detailed info on the school and its founder.--Ccson (talk) 02:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

text: No.  It might go hand-in-hand if the founders decided to apply to cornell because of its background and thought we might create a society that mimics cornell, yet there is no history to show they knew each other before attending cornell and/or that Alpha could not have been founded at other historically white institutions of its day, particulary other ivy leagues schools such as cornell.  The history states they wanted to mimic white fraternities on campus, not the founding of cornell, and of course white fraternities existed at many other white institutions.--Ccson (talk) 15:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Also, who do you think Wesley spoke with regarding the founding of Alpha, probably the founders and they either omitted what you want to add, their views on the founding changed over the years, and/or Wesley simply thought it was relevant to the founding of Alpha which is why it hasn't been included in over the many editons he made to the fraternity's history book because surely Wesley had read what you say is currently available at cornell.--Ccson (talk) 13:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

text: What you have stated could be the story of every minority student on any predominantly white campus in the early 1900s, and even today on some campuses.  Whether the archivies were available before/after first history book, they were avaialable before Wesely died and he could surely have updated the information in the more than 10 editions he authored.  Wesley didn't need the archives because had access to the the Jewels and could cite them first hand if they had told him of Alpha's divine founding at Cornell; surely they knew what led them to found Alpha.  I'm not saying the founders didn't share this with Wesely, but that Wesley (a noted historian on more than Alpha) did not find this information vital to include in over 400 pages of the history book, and I and other editors don't believe it vital in this abbreviated encyclopedia form on Alpha.  You don't have to yield to your personal opinions; however, you must gain consensus from other editors if you believe that God "divinely" chose Cornell and placed all the jewels there for the intended purpose of the creation of Alpha.  There are over 100 references in this article and most of the are NOT from Wesley.  Finally, your 4 years of research is simply that, original research.--Ccson (talk) 22:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Hello, and thank you for lending your time to help improve Wikipedia! If you are interested in editing more often, I suggest you create an account to gain additional privileges. Happy editing!   Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have further question regarding this article or general help/questions with wikipedia--Ccson (talk) 02:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Founding

message: We're told:
:The Secretary of State of New York accepted the incorporation of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity on January 29, 1908.
Does this mean any more than that APAF was incorporated within NY state at that date, and if so, what? -- Hoary (talk) 01:06, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: correct.Ccson (talk) 07:24, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Legal (or not) mumbojumbo

message: Within this pair of edits, I removed three (or more) incidents of "official".
It seems to me that if an organization has a crest, magazine, journal, or whatever, this can be presumed to be official unless stated otherwise. 
For all I know, there may also be a magazine that one could call an "unofficial AΦA magazine". But it's unlikely that anyone knowledgable would call that "AΦA's magazine". So "official" hardly serves to distinguish from unofficial, and the word thus strikes me as superfluous.
Of course, "official" may be used where the context makes it genuinely informative. -- Hoary (talk) 01:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: there are some "unofficial" publicatons from chapters, regions, etc., but that's not important--your point is well taken.  thanksCcson (talk) 07:23, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: officialdom

message: I am considering restructuring the page a bit to help with the overload of graphics and quotes.  basically this would involve moving a number of the images to a gallery at the end of the document, and reorganizing the remaining graphics and quotes to fit better on the page (I'm also considering rebuilding the infobox fraternity template, but that's a secondary concern).  would there be any objection s to that?  --Ludwigs2 04:30, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as this is a featured article, I believe that it would be best to create a rebuild in your user space, and then post a link here for consideration. NYCRuss ☎ 08:17, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agreeCcson (talk) 14:29, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: technical restructure

message: The box that lists the national programs of the fraternity needs to be cleaned up.  We only have 3 national programs.  There are partnerships with March of Dimes/Babies, Boy Scouts of America, Big Brother/ Big Sister, etc., but currently we only have 3 national programs. Thanks.http://www.alpha-phi-alpha.com/Page.php?id=52 PhrozenAPE06 (talk) 23:43, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity National Programs

message: I've been working on User:Naraht/apac for a week or so and it has gotten fairly extension. Before it gets moved into mainspace, I'd like to have an intro paragraph. It doesn't need to be as extensive as the one for List of Phi Beta Sigma conclaves, but I wouldn't mind if it was. :) Also a similar paragraph can be added to the Alpha Phi Alpha page and the convention page could be added there with {{main| or it could be under a see also. I'm open to ideas!Naraht (talk) 19:16, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Alpha Phi Alpha conventions almost ready for mainspace. 

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message: I want to call attention to this particular section.  Besides the misspelling of the section's name, I'm not sure that this should be a separate section at all.  Perhaps it could be merged with Section 3.1: Membership Intake?  The links are also inconsistent with the linking schema of the rest of this article.
Also, should the the actual membership fees be listed at all?  I ask on the grounds that a) no other organizations list their membership fees on their respective pages; and b) these fees change from one year to the next. 
Thank you, Xon4 (talk) 20:19, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Question regarding Section 8: Membership Fee's

message: The following statement is in the article: "the activities for the fraternity are oversaw by..." and should be stated "the activities of the fraternity are overseen by..." 76.166.131.37 (talk) 03:05, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: My pleasure to help keep a Featured Article in tip-top shape! Boogerpatrol (talk) 03:12, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please correct the grammar 

message: Citations are inconsistent, there are external jumps, grammatical issues, and missing "as of" dates.  Is anyone able to tune up this article to avoid a Featured article review?  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Incorrectly formatted or incomplete citations are being added; see WP:WIAFA.  Citations need to be completely formatted in a consistent style for FAs.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:02, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAR needed 

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message: The statement "There are many lawsuits, suspensions, expulsions, and news stories in existence in regards to misconduct involving Alpha Phi Alpha" is misleading as the term "many" expresses an opinion.  
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replies: text: The statement in contention is a fact, not a opinion.  Quite frankly there's mountain of evidence validating that Alpha Phi Alpha is a problematic organization in regards to misconduct and hazing violations. How many examples of these violations do you need for many to apply? Anyone familiar with Alpha Phi Alpha knows this to be truth. After only 15 minutes of research and I found 10 new stories of serious hazing and misconduct violations involving the fraternity. In fact, in 2010 the violations got so bad that the national headquarters stopped all membership intake in a futile attempt to redress the issue.http://newsone.com/403582/after-hazing-incident-alpha-phi-alpha-halts-member-intake-nationwide/.Broadmoor (talk)
Detailing hazing is not the issue.  Some of your edits clearly inject non-neutral editorial, and stretch or omit the "facts" to state things actually not said in your citations.  A "mountain of evidence" does not need such help.  137.200.32.54 (talk) 16:28, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: All statements match source material, if not show which one.  I did not admit to NNPOV, you misinterpreted my words. Serious hazing incidents are a big part of the fraternity identity and culture, many of these hazing incidents made headline news and affects the fraternity reputation heavily.  All fraternities with a culture of pervasive hazing incidents has this section, Alpha Phi Alpha is no exception.  The problem here is censorship of an unflattering yet truthful narrative.  The fraternity page sounds more like an advertisement and lacks neutrality but I don't see you attempting to correcting that.  Broadmoor (talk)
Reinstating the removal of the the following citations as they don't follow NPOV and do not contain factual information:
In 1989, Joel Harris, age 18, a student at Morehouse College, died after suffering from what the Cobb County medical examiner's office called "an intensive amount of anxiety and stress" after a night of hazing. Harris had been punched in the chest and slapped in the face multiple times as part of a so-called  "thunder and lightning" ritual hours before his death.David Mills, Fraternity Violence: The Pledging Debate: The Greeks: There is a move afoot to do away with hazing, but the traditionalists are outraged and vow to fight, Washington Post (July 24, 1990).
Statement at issue "died after suffering from what the Cobb County medical examiner's office called "an intensive amount of anxiety and stress"" As cited in the article "The medical examiner's report didn't declare the hazing to be a "direct cause" of Joel's death, but it stated that he was "under an intensive amount of anxiety and stress" that night." David Mills, Fraternity Violence: The Pledging Debate: The Greeks: There is a move afoot to do away with hazing, but the traditionalists are outraged and vow to fight, Washington Post (July 24, 1990).
In 1992, Gregory R. Batipps, age 20, a student at the University of Virginia, died in a car accident after falling asleep at the wheel. He was sleep-deprived due to hazing while pledging Alpha Phi Alpha.Hazing Suspected In U.Va Student's Death: Roommate Cites Sleep Deprivation, Daily Press  (April 4, 1992).
Statement at issue "He was sleep-deprived due to hazing." "Sgt. James Bond said county police were working with the school to determine whether hazing might have been one of the causative factors in the accident." Hazing Suspected In U.Va Student's Death: Roommate Cites Sleep Deprivation, Daily Press  (April 4, 1992).
In 2008, Mcandy Douarin, age 26, a student at the University of Central Florida (UCF), died of hazing induced heart failure while pledging Alpha Phi Alpha.  Douarin shared with his family that he was frequently punched in the chest by members of Alpha Phi Alpha as part of the pledging process and his family released photos of bruises on his chest to validate that was the reason why he died.  Despite the released photos and statements from UCF students validating Douarin was pledging the fraternity, the university refused to launch an investigation on any allegations against them after the fraternity stated Douarin had not officially applied for membership.  The family hired an attorney to help hold the fraternity accountable for his death.
Statement at issue "died of hazing induced heart failure while pledging Alpha Phi Alpha." "A university representative said UCF has looked into his death, but there isn’t evidence of wrongdoing and the case has been closed."  
On January 29, 2016, Bradley Doyley, a senior and basketball player at Buffalo State College was pronounced dead as a result of a pledging hazing ritual. Doyley as a pledge was asked to drink an unidentified toxic cocktail off campus by members of Alpha Phi Alpha that caused him to suddenly vomit blood according to a close family friend. Doyley was taken to a local hospital for an emergency surgery where he eventually died. The chapter connected with the death of Doyley has been suspended by the college and members of the fraternity are under investigation for homicide charges. Doyley was four months away from graduation.[166]
Statement at issue "pronounced dead as a result of a pledging hazing ritual." A published report Tuesday suggests police are finding no evidence of hazing in last week's death of a Buffalo State College student." 
The citations fail to list outcomes, such as cased where the cause of death was not determined to be caused by hazing. Or, in other cases, non-neutral language was utilized.
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message: This article is well written and the origins, mission, and current endeavors of the fraternity are all clearly explained. Appropriate citation is given to most factual claims enabling further research or verification on the part of the reader. The structure of the article is organized and accessible and fraternity is discussed in a fairly balanced way.
Some of the sources cited link directly to the fraternity’s website, which may contain verifiable facts and figures but may not be the most reliable source for the perceived interest in and impact of the fraternity. However, there are also various citations that link to news media, online articles, print articles, and books. Nearly every sentence is cited, although some factoids (that are most likely common knowledge to members of the fraternity) aren’t cited at all and stand as unverified statements such as:
*Its archives are preserved at the Moorland-Spingarn Research Center.
*National programs and initiatives of the fraternity include A Voteless People Is a Hopeless People, My Brother's Keeper, Go To High School, Go To College, Project Alpha, and the World Policy Council. It also conducts philanthropic programming initiatives with the March of Dimes, Head Start, the Boy Scouts of America, and Big Brothers Big Sisters of America.
*The founders are collectively known as the Seven Jewels.
*The fraternity began to participate in voting rights issues, coining the well-known phrase "A Voteless People is a Hopeless People" as part of its effort to register black voters. This term was coined by the Alpha Omicron Chapter located at Johnson C. Smith University in 1936.
*After the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 and the nation's entry into World War II, the fraternity fought to secure rights for its membership within the ranks of officers in the armed forces. 
* The types of warfare encountered evidenced the nexus between education and war, with illiteracy decreasing a soldier's usefulness to the Army that could only be addressed with the inclusion of a large number of college educated men among the ranks of officers. Alpha men served in almost every branch of the military and civilian defense programs during World War II. 
Being formerly a Featured Article, Wikipedia's Manual of Style is respected to the letter. There is a general adherence to the current use of style, proper formatting of paragraphs, page breaks, grammatical considerations such as capitalization of proper nouns, spelling and subject-verb agreement, and appropriate citing. The content of the article itself is, for the most part, written with a neutral point of view and the only text that could come close to “lauding” or “praising” the subject was to be found (perhaps understandably) in the “Notable Members” section. Also in that section were two Supreme Court cases (Plessy v. Ferguson and Brown v. Board of Education) that were not hyperlinked to their existing articles nor cited at the end of the sentence.
The revision history of the article is fairly active with disagreements over point of view, sourcing, quote handling, formatting, copyright violations, and updating dead citations. I also noted that, for an African-American organization that some may view as militant, there was surprisingly little vandalism, racial or otherwise.
Overall, this article has minor faults but remains well worth its former Featured status. It was informative, expansive and detailed. It comprehensively covered most aspects of the fraternity and provided enough resources for further research to facilitate a serious understanding of what Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. is.
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