Talk:Brabant killers

message: Removed the reference to the CCC. The CCC (Cellules Communistes Combattantes, or Fighting Communist Cells) were a left-wing terrorist organisation with no relation  to the Nijvel gang though both were active in the same time frame (CCC from 10/84 to 12/85, Nijvel gang from 3/82 to 11/85). Contrary to the unsolved Nijvel gang crimes, the CCC case was solved when their leaders were arrested in december 1985 and trialed later. BertK 14:03, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: CCC

message: Intangible, you yourself wrote : "The gang became linked to the neo-Nazi organization Westland New Post which aimed to destabilize the Belgian society and provoke an outrage of civil unrest in order "to establish a government lead by ultra-conservatives of the Parti Social-Chrétien."  You say that Gladio became a possibility only six years after; what do you mean? This goal (provoking an outrage of civil unrest, etc.) was the one followed in Italy by the strategy of tension. That's called Gladio. Gladio was behind Italy's strategy of tension. The Brabant massacres, linked to the Westland New Post & SDRA-8, is thus linked to Gladio. What else are you saying when you wrote about the links between Westland NP and the Belgian gendarmerie? Tazmaniacs 16:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That the main motive of Gladio and the strategy of tension stems from the 1990s, while the militant involvement is connected to conspiracies from even the early 1970s. They should be dealt with differently. Since they are part of a different time period, and deal with different people. Intangible 17:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ? The main motive of Gladio stems from the 1990s? Wasn't it a Cold War thing? And wasn't it supposed to be disbanded in 1990? Anyway, we're dealing here with the Brabant massacres, committed in the early 1980s. They've been linked to far right and Belgian security forces, among which the SDRA-8, which is the name of the Belgian stay-behind. Please explain yourself, I'm having trouble understanding you. Why do you say that the "main motive of Gladio [which one are you talking about? The Belgian gladio, I presume] and the strategy of tension [again, what do you refer to, not Italy I presume] stems from the 1990s"? Tazmaniacs 18:31, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The first parliamentary inquiry into the Nijvel gang stems from 1988. The first inquiry into Gladio stems from 1991. Intangible 19:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it could be merged with militants. There appears to be no question that in the 1992 BBC documentary Timewatch: Gladio,  Libert the 2nd in command of  Westland New Post  admitted that on the group was assigned an exercise for surveilling supermarkets of the same chain that were raided.Overagainst (talk) 11:53, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Militants & Gladio 

message: (About to write "Delhaize" or not , about to write "Colruyt" or not,about to write "G.B." or not,about to write "Dekaise" or not ,about to mention the names(brandnames ?)of the shops or the places where holdups and sometimes(most of the times in those cases) killings happened in Belgium and all the names of the facts attributed to certain persons (see history of this article) 
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Dear Berchemboy,please,could you tell me why did you take the words "Delhaize" out off the text of the Nijvel Gang.Thank you. A reader.23:29 10/10/2006
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Because I don't find the brand of the supermarket chain relevant in the article. If we add the name of the supermarket to the article, we also have to add the names of all the other stores and restaurants the Nijvel Gang held up. This would make the article too large and far more difficult to read. Details are not always a blessing for such an article. Berchemboy 14:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment on brand-names

message: But thanks for your answer .
Maybe someone has to create a new article with a new name to go further 
with those differents facts.
One name for each fact.
By exemple:
A killing (n°1(?/?3)) in Delhaize , BRAINE L'ALLEUD 27/09/1985 s 
belgium 
"[[A killing(n°2(?/?3)) in a Delhaize , OVERIJSE , europe , brabant,
belgium , 27/09/1985]]"
"[[A killing(n°3(?/?3)) in a Delhaize , AALST , europe , ,
belgium,27/09/1985]]"
What do you think about this proposal ?
A reader.Belgium.--213.49.135.135 14:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singular ?, plural ? I don't know. 

message: Isn't the whole Gladio connection a little far fetched? Why would a CIA backed group want to destabilize a US ally? And aren't there better ways to do that than random armed robberies?
:I think the motive is not necessary and the link  is the secret services tolerated  an underground Nazi para military  group connected to Gladio, at least by seeing itself as an auxiliary anti communist army like Gladio.  The surveillance that the second in command of Westland New Post admitted to the BBC had been ordered on the gangs targets is pretty good evidence. A couple who were allegedly surveilled by Westland new Post were later murdered and one proven perpetrator of that double murder was a WNP member, so was his co-accused  who got a not guilty at trial, but was later convicted of another separate double murder of diamond merchants.
:The Westland New Post second in command was arrested and questioned in 2014, and the reports on that arrest prove the official investigators on the case who know more that anyone here think have said that a member of WNP is thought to be in on the gangs robberies. It doesn't necessarily follow that anyone in authority in Belgium or the CIA gave the order for the attacks. Just a few contacts and an actual government security expert giving them lectures (in a attempt to infiltrate WNP supposedly) may have fed the fantasies of the leader and be exageratedly interpreted as official approval by the boss of WNP, who may not have actually intended the surveillance as anything more than an exercise for his pathetic group. Behind-the-lines unit's training can include tasks such as coming up with a plan for a robbery (read years ago about Special Air Service training including such tasks). It's a thought exercise to develop the ability to plan actions and  operate in enemy territory, as members of Gladio would have been after a Soviet occupation. Someone very unstable and violent (and there is such a person known to have been in WNP) could  have been precipitated by the Gladio-style training into feeding such tactics and plans into a gang, which could have other psychopaths in it and take on a momentum as they deleloped a taste for killing. The ex WNP man may have only been in on the crimes at the beginning.Overagainst (talk) 12:07, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Gladio, again

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message: The first sentence says that they are named the "Nijvel Gang" in Dutch-speaking media. The article is in :Category:Nivelles. Yet Nijvel/Nivelles is not mentioned once in the article apart from that first sentence! Why are they called that? Were any of the crimes carried out in Nijvel/Nivelles, and if so which ones? Surely some explanation is in order? 2001:BB6:4713:4858:4040:4569:F26E:D81B (talk) 10:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why 'Nijvel'? 

message: Anyone know of any English language books on this case? Jacksonpm23 (talk) 03:55, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books 

message: see https://www.tvmaze.com/shows/55210/1985  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.47.151.13 (talk) 21:53, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media - new series