Talk:Jorn Barger

message: As of late 2013, Jorn is using a new Twitter account, and is pretty active there: http://twitter.com/bnroj  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pwang99 (talk • contribs) 13:35, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Twitter Account 

message: This man is a phoney;there were no home computers in 1964.This was still the era of vacuum tubes and punch caards!I vote to delete this vanity page.
:No claim is made that the Minivac 601 was a home computer. There is not a current vote for deletion. Dystopos 17:25, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Minivac 601 page now exists.  It uses mechanical relays for its digital logic. Date: 1961.  Purely an educational kit.  69.181.82.221 22:12, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Votes for Deletion for information on why and how to nominate an article for deletion. I can warn you in advance that the issues of whether this is a vanity article and Mr. Barger's notability have already been discussed, so another nomination on those grounds would demonstrate bad faith. Dystopos 17:02, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: VFD debate

message: Unless I'm missing something, there's no mention here of when Robot Wisdom actually first appeared. 81.158.206.166 5 July 2005 03:10 (UTC)
*I added the date of the weblog's first appearance, as noted here. Dystopos 5 July 2005 17:10 (UTC)
As for the strenght of Jorn's comments, if any Wiki is to survive as a viable information distribution first person challenges to information should be ignored.  Jorn's comments, and his situation, though easy to accept must be ignored until some third person comes in with the same comment.
The only thing Jorn could produce that should be considered would be a long standing lease document or other evidence that his is not poor.  After all, who wants to admit to being utterly poor and having to beg.  Having known Jorn I can easily see this as true, and I can easily see how Jorn would react to this becoming well known.
If Jorn is not poor and homeless it would be rather easy for him to prove it without insults to authors.  A tax return, a statement of accounts from an accountant, a lease, or even a picture of him sitting in his bedroom would be enough.
Jorn has made himself in to something of a celebrity, and must learn to live with the consequences.  Jorn always wanted to be famous, but on his terms and has had a hard time dealing with the note people have taken of him.  
Robotwisdom is a work a long lasting brilliance, and the light of that blog has, unlike some other Internet projects, as illuminated the person of Jorn. -- anonymous commenter
:Hm. Well, I'm sure that the Wikiproject:Reviewing personal records people will want to have a hand in that process. ;-) Really, we don't want to go there. It was difficult for Jorn to respond to the article only here, as Wikipedia:Avoid self references is a guideline, but I think (aside from small quibbles) that we've handled the question reasonably well in the article. It's Wikipedia style to handle disputes with X said Y but J said K. --Dhartung | Talk 16:54, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Date

message: What is the "Apple ]["? It appears to me to be a formatting error or typo?
Emerman 15:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's formatting jargon best forgotten and kept out of everything but the actual Apple II article, at this late date. --Dhartung | Talk 04:35, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's nice to know what it meant, thanks! Emerman 15:27, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Apple ][" ? 

message: Emerman, looks like you're working toward a Featured Article nomination .... --Dhartung | Talk 04:40, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured? 

message: Note to Dhartung: I decided to go ahead and go with what you said previously about Barger's single Usenet faq essay (I assume you meant the Usenet FAQ after 9-11) not being particularly significant or "encyclopedic." So I deleted it; I'd originally written that paragraph. Article aready had made reference to the anti-Semitism charges just a couple of paragraphs before, so the additional paragraph was repetitive and unnecessarily lenghtened the article as you implied. Also, the single faq Usenet essay after 9-11 was reviewing various gossip on the internet during a national crisis time of confusion among the whole country and its media; that particular faq essay probably does not represent what Barger thinks now though in the immediate aftermath of 9-11 many people thought many paranoid things briefly after 9-11 in internet chatter when reviewing any conflicting statements in the media.   Emerman 13:19, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edited out repetitive short paragraph 

message: *I have no problem with a section on controversies later in the article, but mentioning the accusations of anti-Semitism in the last sentence of the first paragraph -- a major stress position -- placed undue emphasis on this detail, which is far from the most important thing about Barger. I've shuffled the intro around to preserve all the information in a less inflammatory way, but I know next to nothing about these controversies. Aren't there non-Semite related ones? From the info here, "political" didn't seem like the best category for the controversial stuff, but is there a category that unites all the controversial comments? --Our Bold Hero 08:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Emphasis in intro

message: Take a look at robotwisdom.com while it still has the phrase "Judaism is racism" at the top. That's right - not "Judaism contains racism", or "Judaism has been invoked to justify racism" or anything "craven" (as Barger would put it). Just "Judaism is racism". 
Anything to say, Barger apologists? - Maggie --70.50.79.251 15:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I'm concerned, the no personal attacks line is being crossed (recall that Barger is a contributor). Please tread lightly. --Dhartung | Talk 01:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not believe any line has been crossed, Dhartung. Barger is also the subject of this article and a controversial public figure. --Dystopos 03:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Though, calling him a "loony" is still a personal attack.  *Dan T.* 03:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It may not be necessary to call him names, but the policy on personal attacks has not been violated in my view. The "attacker" is clearly talking about the content of the article rather than the contributions of User:Robotwisdom --Dystopos 04:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barger now officially loony 

message: Though past evidence (notably his own meddling with his biography) attests amply to Barger's boundless narcissism, I initially thought that his angry departure from Wikipedia last year (over my refusal to characterize him as an 'expert') indicated a loss of interest in the way he was presented in this article. Lately, though, I've had a sneaking suspicion that Barger continues to watch over his bio here as it evolves, and that to some extent the changes we've instigated have spurred him on. The current main headline on robotwisdom.com reads judaism is racism is incompatible with democracy, which sounds to me vaguely like an exhortation to genocide. So what do we do? Stop? This page is probably the world's first-stop for information on a moderately signfiicant personality in internet history, but on the other hand its content may also be inspiring its subject to indulge ever more publically in his heretofore mostly muted bigotry. In other words, our bringing to light previous instances of anti-semitism may be giving rise to new ones that might otherwise not have been expressed. - Maggie --64.229.184.47 00:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, I'm a very thinking person - and a dreadfully smart one too. What I suggested was that judaism is racism is incompatible with democracy sounded like an exhortation to (not necessarily an advocation of) genocide. (Think about it this way: You're presented with the resolution, judaism is racism is incompatible with democracy. Even if you agree, what's the next resolution? Well, we've got to have democracy. If democracy can't contain jews, what do we do with our jews? Forced conversion? (To the Cult of Krishnamurti, maybe?) Or just kind of round them up? I stand by my reading; in any event I said it here and not in the article proper. Since Barger was the first to bring Nazis into the conversation ("the real Nazis show their true colors"), I feel comfortable pointing out that Barger's rhetoric is very close to Goebbels's. - Maggie --64.229.29.138 15:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's an excess of self-regard to assume that our article is the reason for anything he does on the blog. Barger clearly reads and responds to a great many sources. I don't see that there's any value to exploring his sloganeering; it is what it is. (That said, I bet he does keep up.) --Dhartung | Talk 09:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethical dilemma

message: The article currently says Some of his writings have been a source of controversy, provoking accusations of anti-Semitism. I think that's trying too hard to be NPOV. Normally such accusations are matters of opinion and judgement but in this extreme case he doesn't seem to have left much room for ambiguity. If he believes "judaism is racism is incompatible with democracy" then surely he is literally and objectively anti-semitic. -- Slogby 23:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "accusations of anti-Semitism"

message: I deleted the negative info on Barger; it has no inline sources (as required by WP:LIVING), and the sources for the info ultimately seem to be blogs, which by WP:RS are not reliable sources.  My edit was reverted by someone who implied that the only sources for Barger were necessarily blogs; but this is not true: if it were, this article's AfD from last year would have succeeded.  I recommend that reliable sources be found for this info (and provided inline, meaning refs right after the relevent sentences) or that it be taken out again.  --Allen 01:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  no unsourced negative info on living people 

message: Robotwisdom.com is apparently offline. --Dystopos 14:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article now reflects this and his (10th February) "save robotwisdom" donation request. -Maggie --64.229.184.137 03:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Offline

message: The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me here. -- Jreferee 19:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter|Biography assessment rating]] comment 

message: In 2005 Barger actually edited his biography here, writing it mostly and reverting changes that he thought portrayed him in a bad light. Times have changed, and apparently he's decided to take up the gauntlet again, by proxy at least. He has just posted a "template" for revisions to this page:  . The influence this posting has on the article should be nil (all the relevant bases are covered), but if there's increased activity, he may rest assured that he's still got partisans. - Maggie --70.50.78.75 15:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the days to come, we'll see if he has any fans 

message: I recently delivered a conference paper that studies Barger's involvement in the emergence of early blogging. As author of the piece I may need to abstain from working it into article. At a minimum, though, I think it should enter the "Further reading." Thanks for taking a look.  
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thread_title:  ACM paper on Barger 

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message: Hello. I'm not sure this is the right place to ask this question, but I saw that you were a blogging pioneer and thought you'd be the perfect person to ask. I'm currently doing a project on Wikipedia and would love any input on the topic of blogs. Pretty much, I believe blogs should not have this negative stigma as an unreliable resource when it comes to citing them on Wikipedia. As a hip-hop fan, many of the places that cover the genre are blogs, and so I believe it is a bit unfair to the industry as well. Also, in terms of Wikipedia appealing to younger generations, I think it would be beneficial to allow more blogs as sources since many millennials read them and would be able to cite them in articles. What are your thoughts? Thanks! AdamtheGOAT (talk) 01:27, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
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