Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive 4

message: Another Filipino was converted into wikipedia. My classmate Geneva Frances Guyano, was just converted to be part of the network.I have been doing an information brigade to entice people to wikipedia. Justox dizaola 04:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to the wikipedian flock , bretheren , ye  have seeen the light . Now join us as we march into Glooooory. just kidding , just kidding  :) Welcome Frances Guyano!!--Jondel 08:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Conversion Succesful

message: Justox has just converted Jaz007 into wikipedia. Marami akong gustong malaman sa site na to'. Kung pwede, i can add CSS to this site. [User:jaz007]
:Welcome jaz007, CSS? HTML? PHP? I think they need volunteer developers for programming, SQL over at the wikimedia, look for volunteer . --Jondel 00:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Conversion Succesful

message: The Ilokano Wikipedia, after only about seven months, has now passed the +1,000 pages/articles mark (at present with over 1,500 articles). It's high time for other projects. I believe we can now afford to have an Ilokano Wiktionary. So, I requested for it at meta. And may I also solicit your support, my beloved co-wikipedians, for this project. Thanks! -- Saluyot 14:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Ilokano Wiktionary proposal is now approved. Thanks to all those who supported it. -- Saluyot 14:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ilokano Wiktionary 

message: Since we are on a roll to start making infoboxes for the some 1,000+ cities and municipalities of the Philippines per List of cities and municipalities in the Philippines/completion list, this is a good place to get all cities and municipalities' websites: http://www.dilg.gov.ph/lgu_m.aspx.  It is a database of LGUs at the second (first if involving chartered cities and HUCs) level of Philippine government, which are the cities and municipalities, brought to us by the DILG.  Note though that while all of these entities list their official websites, not all are necessarily updated (some date back to 2002).  However, many of them have their municipal seals, which is a good thing.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 16:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: City/municipality websites

message: Pinoy Big Brother housemate Mikee Lee is under AFD. Vote for its deletion or retention at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mikee Lee. --Howard the Duck 04:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can the admins help? There are a lot of first time editors voting keep. Not sure if it is against policy. --Howard the Duck 07:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article now redirects to the Teen Edition article. --Howard the Duck 13:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFD: [[Mikee Lee]] 

message: Today, June 7, is the 40th anniversary of a new round-the-world flight record set by husband and wife pilots Robert and Joan Wallick. They accomplished their big feat by taking off and landing in Manila. :) --Noypi380 08:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Robert and Joan Wallick]]

message: Hi, I really don't know what to do with this entry, Baguio, as it is incorrect. Original author who wrote the stub and divided it from the entry Baguio City has already been challenged to present proof of validity but has still not come up with anything, only a reference again to the wikipedia. External and confirmable references would be acceptable. I have already suggested that he develop the entry in bagyo. His main assertion is "Baguio (spelled bagyo in Filipino) is the local name given to any typhoon...", local name being the primary bone of contention. The word Baguio as a translation of bagyo is not used locally in the Philippines, either by textbooks or the PAGASA national weather bureau. Please advise. --Haldamir 02:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the typhoon reference. The word "Baguio" is certainly NOT the local name used. --Howard the Duck 03:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I was trying to include the definition  at the previous section.--Jondel 04:18, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I found some dubious evidence on an earth science book spelling Bagyo as "Baguio". Justox dizaola 13:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baguio + bagyo 

message: Hi, is anyone interested in helping edit the Spanish-American War so that it could represent Philippine point of view? 23prootie 16:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope no one is interested. It's supposed to represent a neutral point of view. --Chris S. 17:39, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Hey 23prootie! All articles in wikipedia, including those with limited geographic scope, must be neutral in point of view or NPOV. This includes preventing nationalist bias, ahem, ahem, and geographic bias. So, that would mean that an article written in a Philippine point of view is a no-no. If you believe an article is seriously anti-NPOV, you can type  on top of the article page (sometimes in the discussion page) and explain the reasons in the discussion page why you placed the tag. Likewise, if you believe that an article is too nationalistic, do the same but type  instead. :) --Noypi380 04:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish-American War

message: I don't think this an article, but more of an essay. I don't know what to do with it. (The prod was contested). --Howard the Duck 08:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a Who is a Jew? article that has been around for a long time and apparently gained acceptance. However, in the case of Filipinos I don't think an article like this is necessary. The first section illustrates three aspects of "Being Filipino" that might as well be apply to any nationality. And the second section reeks of original research (in fact, I'm going to delete that second section right now). I suggest nominating the article for AFD. Coffee 10:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps we can redirect this to the Constitution of the Philippines? --Howard the Duck 10:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: In Judaism, the dream of returning to the homeland is tied to the right of return, which is a notable topic. The Philippines and US have recently agreed to the concept of dual citizenship which allows Filipinos in the US to vote, etc. I believe the same is true in India, which is trying to lure its people (in the US) to invest in India. Property ownership may be another factor. Anyone can buy property in the US, but I am not sure about the Philippines. If these concepts are not extant then I would have to agree that the article should be deleted. But if these are truly issues, then the article could remain on its own merits. --Ancheta Wis 10:28, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thinking about it, if a country has a significant number of its people who are expatriates and yet contribute materially to its GDP with transfer payments, an article "Who is a ..." would have merit. After all, a country cannot survive in the long run if its people leave. Therefore there ought to be an incentive to return or invest in the country. That means  "Who is a ..." might matter to anyone with a stake in the future of that country. --10:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The contemplative response: Agree with Howard, perhaps a redirect to a citizenship article or delete. Articles like Overseas Filipino will be enough for all the economic information, etc. "Who is a Filipino?" cannot use "Who is a Jew?" for a basis, just because one looks for similarities. halatang gayagaya, joke,joke,joke!. That article is a reflection of centuries of discussion especially in the 19th century. It grew with the Holocaust, when Jews sought to find unity when they were almost destroyed as a people, and the Zionist movement, when the Jews sought to return to the land they believe they were promised. Remember the Jews did not have a land of their own in the near past before 1947. There is so much depth there that is verifiable by Jewish scholars, both scientific and religious. On the other hand, our "diaspora" is just a neg POV term for the reality of the Overseas Filipino. Where is the diaspora when 80 million people are still staying put? Where is the identity crisis question? I think, though I could be wrong, that only the Jews, and the Gypsies have that question. --Noypi380 13:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The technical response: A Filipino is obviously either a citizen of the Philippines, or a person related to another current/former/future citizen. Other than that, see this Original thoughts, Original research:) --Noypi380 13:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. I think it is a ligitimate article. But I don't think it should be a "definitive" article on who is Filipino (like an article describing what the pythagorean theorem is), but rather a presentation of the different POV's on what it means to be Filipino. I think this would be useful for Philippine related articles because I noticed (maybe it's just me) that many are written from the racial nationalist POV--ie, defining the Filipino in terms of race... I think that it should be very clear that however Filipino is defined, it is only a POV. I think there is enough material and discussion for an article. We have the evolution of the term (although that's already briefly discussed in the Filipino People article). Some define Filipino to include Lapu-lapu; some define it excuding him. Some people define Filipino to exclude people of non-Malay ancestry; some define Filipino to include anyone of any race. Some don't like the term Malay. Some think the igorots and lumads are the "real" Filipinos; some think low-land Christians are the "real" Filipinos. Some think only the constitution should say who is Filipino. Some say only oneself could say whether one is Filipino. The bottomline is that it shouldn't define who the Filipino is (its current tone), but present the different POV's. Check out Nick Joaquin's Culture and History, which is sort of like his contemplation on what it means to be Filipino. I think that would be a good source for some of the POV's...--Nino Gonzales 04:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Well said, I agree na now :O --Noypi380 04:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Who is a Filipino?]]

message: On a side note, there are apparently new Philippine communist (armed and peaceful) articles out there. Many of which have questionable notability or have big POV problems, but I am hesistant to react eh, there is so much action nowadays, and I don't know if these things are really notable. Basta no propaganda, no advocacy. Thanks. :) --Noypi380 13:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Communist related articles

message: Show your support or opposition at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gabon (street). --Howard the Duck 06:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The result was no consensus. --Howard the Duck 01:08, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFD: [[Gabon (street)]] 

message: Perhaps now is the time. --Howard the Duck 10:14, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we?  We should get consensus on this.  If there is consensus, then I would support the initiative.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 13:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Tambayan has certainly produced FAs and FLs, but organizing a Wikiproject will greatly help. Although I'm fine with the current setup, we can always take it to the next level. --Howard the Duck 02:08, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A few months ago there was an effort to have organized collaborations and produce Philippine-related featured content, but it never really got off the ground... I guess everyone was just preoccupied doing their own thing. I've always felt that this page (Tambayan Philippines) filled the role of a "WikiProject Philippines". Coffee 02:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  With a Wikiproject, we can impose standards and guidelines. Plues, we can add notices on talkpages, which would inform editors that is a part of a WikiProject. With RNBs, you can't do that. --Howard the Duck 02:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We can expand the Tambayan's scope, but I would have to agree with Coffee that our little tambayan has filled the role of a Philippines WikiProject.  I would say that something similar to the Singapore Wikipedians' notice board would be nice, as we would be a step closer to a WikiProject, but not there yet.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 14:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, we already have Wikipedia:WikiProject Philippine LGUs, why don't we just expand that? --Howard the Duck 05:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not sure, but it might entail a complete reorganization of the WikiProject.  If we do have a WikiProject, we should have a new Philippines WikiProject with its subprojects, which I believe are the LGU WikiProject and the Encantadia WikiProject.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 11:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Philippines? 

message: I started creating infoboxes for Philippine political figures, who have not become presidents, since only the presidents are provided with infoboxes. You might just wanna check out: Edgardo Angara, Jovito Salonga, Manny Villar, Jinggoy Estrada, Panfilo Lacson, Franklin Drilon, Aquilino Pimentel, Raul Roco, Juan Ponce Enrile, Miriam Defensor-Santiago and Mar Roxas, I'm still working on the others.
N.B. The highest position the politician has achieved is showed top-most, unless he is currently serving another position. I still have to check on the ranking of cabinet portfolios, as far as I know, the Foreign Affairs Secretary is ranked highest, lowest is the Energy Secretary. -- Scorpion prinz | talk, 13:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: fits just right. Also, beware that  is up for deletion --Howard the Duck 13:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, User:Hera1187 replaced all instances of Template:Infobox Philippine president with simply Template:Infobox President. I created the "Infobox Philippine president" a long long time ago, and it seems the standard "Infobox President" was created just 4 days later. :-> The old infobox is up for deletion. Coffee 17:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Filipino politician infoboxes

message: If any of you all are interested, I created a Filipino ancestry userbox.
 
--Chris S. 05:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filipino userbox 

message: World class talaga ang Filipinos. As evidence from http://www.presidencyofchile.cl/ it i stated as follows "There are two other objects in the Chapel which also stand as religious icons of quality craftsmanship: a Filipino image of the Virgin of Carmen, made in the workshops of the Augustinians in Manila in the 18th century; and an icon of the Virgin of the Sacred Heart, a replica of an 18th century original made by Pompeo Girolamo Battoni."--Justox dizaola 13:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: op kors! wut do yu tink op us, just just?(Aba syempre, anong akalo nyo sa amin, basta basta?)--Jondel 00:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Jondel, this may just be a good addition to art in the philippines page right?--Justox dizaola 04:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New information 

message: As another achievement for the Fil-Wiki community, our third Wikipedia featured article, and the first primarily written by Filipinos, the Manila Light Rail Transit System, will be shown on the Main Page as Today's featured article on June 30, 2006.  We can also be proud of this achievement.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 04:27, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sayang dapat June 29 na lang para birthday ko... lol :p --Howard the Duck 04:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But how about the right whale?  Actually, I requested for June 12 or October 29, but June 30 is fine with me.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 04:46, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right whales are boring hehehehe. Well at least, it's a day after my birthday. --Howard the Duck 04:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Yehey! Congrats again to Akira! I like the pic of the new yellow line mockup. Nice work. For Howard. Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock, countdown: 2 days to birthday. :) --Noypi380 05:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: MABUHAY ANG PILIPINAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My felicitations to our community! Salud!--Justox dizaola 11:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Proud to be PINOY! --Glenncando 22:55, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I'm happy that the article is receiving plenty of exposure, can one of the admins lock it again?  It's being vandalized again! (I thought it would end after Raul lifted the last lock on it)  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 01:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sprotected per request. An admin can lift this when you all deem it suitable. --Ancheta Wis 01:59, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was unprotected, but it seems that the activity has subsided.  Finally.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 12:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Every featured article on the Main Page gets vandalized. --Howard the Duck 01:37, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well of course every page gets vandalized.  I'm aiming now for the MRT to get FA status, but it is shorter than the LRT.  And oh yeah, happy belated birthday.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 08:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well the Main Page FAs gets vandalized big time hehehe. I'd support the MRT FAC. And thanks, btw. --Howard the Duck 08:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Announcement

message: I have checked Meta on the current proposed Philippine Wikipedias (Pangasinan, Kinaray-a and Chavacano) and the following has happened to them:
*Pangasinan: approved
*Kinaray-a: approved but in need of native speakers (see :meta:Requests_for_new_languages/Native_speaker_support)
*Chavacano: approved
*Hiligaynon: ongoing
Other than that, here is the state of the following Wikipedia sister projects in Philippine languages:
*Pangasinan Wiktionary: approved
*Cebuano Wiktionary and Wikibooks: approved
*Ilokano Wiktionary: approved
Hopefully all of them get approved and they flourish.  We might have nine Wikipedias in Philippine languages soon, as well as three Wiktionaries and a Wikibooks in Cebuano.  --Sky Harbor 16:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, indeed! The Chavacano Wikipedia proposal is approved (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Approved_requests_for_new_languages). Thank you for all the support. There wasn't even any opposition to it. :) We're looking for Chavacano contributors and please help spread the word around. Muchisimas gracias con todos! --Weekeejames 04:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Ilokano Wiktionary is now approved. -- Saluyot 15:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Call me a killjoy, but I think the Tagalog wikipedia is useless, for English is the medium of instruction. Dunno about the other languages. --Howard the Duck | talk, 15:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not necessarily.  How about those who need encyclopedia-grade information but cannot speak English?  The Philippine Wikipedias I think are the only encyclopedias written in Philippine tongues, and although I concede that we're not always active there (my last edit in the Tagalog Wikipedia was I think over a month ago), there is still some use for them.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 16:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

text: One of the objectives of Wikipedia is to have a free-content encylopedia in all languages and Tagalog is no exception.  As of now, the Tagalog Wikipedia has more than 2,800 articles and the largest Wikipedia among the Philippine-based languages.  Although there are only few well-written articles and there are a lot of stubs and articles for cleanup.  Also, there are only about 3 active users out of 800 registered users.  It might be good if some of you guys will help to improve the articles in the Tagalog Wikepedia and some of you can also volunteer as an admin.   --Jojit fb 08:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am thinking of adding the great repository of Philippine banking articles, but my Tagalog is not particularly stellar to greatly contribute.  As what Jondel said before (see Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines#Picture de-crowding), we are too oriented with English.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 10:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually that is another reason why the Tagalog wikipedia should probably be there is to help us grow and develop our skills, not only for filipinos but for example, non-filipinos who want to learn the langauge. There are Japanese and Americans(missionaries,university linguist specialists, etc), I've met who are good in Tagalog and even Ilokano. They can converse but its very interesting the way they speak. Since there is an English wiki, the Tagalog wiki acts like convenient, online Rossetta stone.I've met a student from Germany and she said Tagalog (as well as Thai, Laos, Burmese, etc) are some of the languages taught there. --Jondel 00:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

text: *patriotic music in the background* Future generations will remember us and tell great stories our struggle.  Our legacy is that a few proud and dedicated wikipedians strove againts all odds to leave a memory in the language of our fatherland.   *fade away in the background amidst roaring cheers *.............    :D --Jondel 01:02, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it because of this that I decided to be active again in the Tagalog Wikipedia (although it dates back before the commentary)?  For that matter, I always use the Tagalog Wikipedia to enrich my vocabulary, whenever I read or contribute (although I have to use the dictionary now and then, that's why I wish the Tagalog Wiktionary is active again).  It can really help improve one's language skills, but it takes a lot of luck and determination to do it.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 01:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

text: By the way, the irony of this is that the person who started this debate on the usefulness of the Tagalog Wikipedia (Howard the Duck) joined the Tagalog Wikipedia on June 7 as the direct Tagalog translation of his username.  Oh well.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 01:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL. Well every Wiki needs some help :p --Howard the Duck 06:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Hi, I'm a non-Filipino who is learning Tagalog, and, just FYI, I find tl.wikipedia.org useful.  Thanks.  Finding Tagalog reading materials is difficult in Europe.  For a long time, the only books I found were those romance novel "pocket books".  Recently I found some cookery books.  I would also like to learn some Ilonggo, but this is probably impossible due to a complete lack of materials.  An Ilonggo/Hiligaynon wikipedia would be helpful. Gronky 08:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I did find the Finnish Wikinews portal there and I think another non-Wikipedia Wikimedia project at the Incubator.  Probably the three Philippine Wiktionaries can be added there?  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 21:50, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Chavacano Wikipedia is currently on incubator too! Have a lookie http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/cbk-zam --Weekeejames 04:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe advertising is needed? Like, mention on Yahoo groups targeted to people in Iloilo, Antique & Zamboanga that there are these three Wikipedias just waiting for native speakers to take care of them. Is this not what worked for other successful Wikipedias, like, say Ilokano & Cebuano? --Chris S. 00:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on the historical edits of the article Zamboanga City and Chavacano and many other related articles, I have observed that there are numerous Chavacano (Zamboangeño) editors who are actually unregistered wikipedians and who, possibly, don't even know about this Tambayan page. I have created the user language category for Chavacano wikipedians. Hopefully through the category, we can point out Chavacano registered wikipedians. When the purpose is good, anything - in time - will flourish.  --Weekeejames 04:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: State of Philippine Wikipedias

message: the wikimedia sandbox for new wikis, the incubator is up, with the approved Pangasinan Wikipedia already in it. i just wonder how to include the other approved projects like the Ilokano, Cebuano and Pangasinan Wiktionaries, as well as the Cebuano Wikibooks. or are they in separate sandboxes? -- Saluyot 14:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did find the Finnish Wikinews portal there and I think another non-Wikipedia Wikimedia project at the Incubator.  Probably the three Philippine Wiktionaries can be added there?  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 21:50, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Chavacano Wikipedia is currently on incubator too! Have a lookie http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/cbk-zam --Weekeejames 04:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: incubator wiki

message: Just a bit of concern: I don't know what happened to the Kinaray-a Wikipedia proposal (must have vanished or something like that) and I'm very concerned about the progress of the Hiligaynon and Chavacano Wikipedias, which either have no native speakers (for Hiligaynon) or only one native speaker (for Chavacano) willing to work on them.  Even if they are approved, they would still need native speakers to work on them, or the proposals will go nowhere.  Sounds pessimistic, but still.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 22:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe advertising is needed? Like, mention on Yahoo groups targeted to people in Iloilo, Antique & Zamboanga that there are these three Wikipedias just waiting for native speakers to take care of them. Is this not what worked for other successful Wikipedias, like, say Ilokano & Cebuano? --Chris S. 00:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on the historical edits of the article Zamboanga City and Chavacano and many other related articles, I have observed that there are numerous Chavacano (Zamboangeño) editors who are actually unregistered wikipedians and who, possibly, don't even know about this Tambayan page. I have created the user language category for Chavacano wikipedians. Hopefully through the category, we can point out Chavacano registered wikipedians. When the purpose is good, anything - in time - will flourish.  --Weekeejames 04:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Issue of concern

message: Anyone going?--Nino Gonzales 09:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would love to go, but I'm too ingrained in my high school life (and everything in it) to go to Wikimania (if I were still in the U.S., it's a different story).  I wonder who else here is going (or not)?  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 10:42, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Next time.--Jondel 07:58, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in. Any requests? Books? Pictures? Harvard? MIT? The MTA subway? Faneuil Hall? (The last time I saw Feynman he was walking down the sidewalk here.) --Ancheta Wis 06:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It will have to be with living people. Not Manoy Feynman, unfortunately. --Ancheta Wis 01:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [http://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimania 2006]

message: Hello! I am kind of new here, but since we are all Filipinos, could you please help me expand the First Philippine Republic
article. Regards. --Emir214 12:16, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Philippine Republic 

message: ATTENTION: The MRT article is now a featured article candidate!  Please leave comments at the FAC page.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 09:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Congratulations on another FA. :) --Mithril Cloud 06:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow.  I'm very happy for this.  I decided to put it up for TFA, so let's see how that works out.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 10:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I hoped for that too, but the MRT nomination didn't get as much attention as the LRT.  Oh well.  Also, my request for the MRT front page feature is for December 16, the opening day of the MRT.  Hope that works.  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 21:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also checked the MRT talk page, and it was suggested that a stable version be made.  Any thoughts?  --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 14:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: MRT FAC

message: I'm gonna post this here since it's a relatively major change...
The History of the Philippines article is 80KB and it should be split into smaller articles, with the main article trimmed down to about 32KB and only giving the important details. For example, see how History of the United States gives an overview, and how it has eleven subarticles that go into detail about specific periods. For the Philippines, I suggest we split into five subarticles: (1) pre 1521, (2) 1521-1898, (3) 1898-1946, (4) 1946-1986, and (5) 1986-present. For comments, please discuss at Talk:History of the Philippines. :) --Coffee 14:08, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done a lot of work on the article and it's now up for peer review. Please comment at its peer review page. Coffee 14:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the Philippines 

message: Please support Christopher Sundita for the role of administratorship.--Jondel 04:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations to Chris on becoming our third (?) Filipino administrator! Enjoy the new buttons. :) Coffee 16:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: and the new car!--Jondel 00:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: There is also LBMixpro who is mostly involved with the Iglesia ni Christo articles.--Jondel 02:34, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chris, what's that about the eevil Wumpus???--Noypi380 15:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Congrats too :) --Noypi380 16:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. About the evil Wumpus, I don't know. He didn't like my answer judging from his oppose vote. ;-) --Chris S. 18:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Administrator nomination

message: There is a dispute going on between Amante de la Paz, what looks like an anon sockpuppet, and User:Jtalledo concerning the latter's use of the  tag at Philippines.  I have warned the user(s) (not Jtalledo) twice, but they insist on removing it. I told them to leave it there until Jtalledo comes in and they can work on it.  Anyone want to lend a helping hand? I'm not good with Philippine history.  And in general, we should probably work on citing sources in the Philippine article. Which hasn't been done since Coffee put it up for peer review. What do you all say? --Chris S. 18:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Placed a comment in Talk:Philippines#Jtalledo_vandalism. --Noypi380 03:07, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Weasel words at Philippines

message: Can anoybody check this? Somebody is trying to push a personal agenda here. --Howard the Duck 04:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've read the article and bias is obvious. The article should say who Dale Abenojar is and not the why(s) and how(s) Dale Abenojar reached the summit of Mt. Everest. This article is a clear violation of Wikipedia's NPOV and should be on the list of articles for deletion, ASAP. --Weekeejames 10:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Simply because an article is riddled with POV doesn't mean that it has to be deleted quickly.  It can be rewritten to give it a more neutral tone, but in the case of Dale Abenojar's article, it needs a complete rewrite.  --Sky Harbor 16:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with rewrites for only when a portion or a fragment of an article violates Wikipedia's NPOV. However, for articles that are written full of POV from top to bottom and "personal agenda" is very obvious, I would still opt for a quick deletion. --Weekeejames 00:12, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dale Abenojar]] 

message: The categories say "This category contains articles about Philippine citizens of full or partial <country> ethnicity."
How about changing it to "This category contains articles about people with Filipino and <country> ethnicity."? --Howard the Duck 06:49, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Filipino people by ethnic or national origin]] 

message: Just felt interested to make the project active again...it may not be as good as the UP Diksyonaryong Filipino, but it's well worth to try (and contribute to) an actual free (as in libre free) dictionary.  Of course, I'm drumming up support and looking for contributors.  --Sky Harbor 01:31, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a wiki Filipino dictionary. I'll try to devote time to this.--Jondel 03:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also found the Tagalog Wikibooks.  How about that one as well?  --Sky Harbor 12:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagalog Wiktionary 

message: I just have an inquiry on photographers in our community. I hav planned some areas to be photographed and i must know in order to coordinate our actions. Thanks. --Justox dizaola 04:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Help

message: Announcing the arrival of the Tagalog Wikibooks!  It was made, but no worked on it until today.  Of course, it still needs contributors and meaningful content.  That's why I'm drumming up support and looking for contributors (again).  --Sky Harbor 07:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tagalog Wikibooks

message: In the novel Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein,p218, Magsaysay is lauded and said that he would be the 'chief of psychological warfare if he were alive today'.  Ang galing talaga ng mga Pinoy! --Jondel 00:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, I didn't know that the protagonist of Starship Troopers is a Filipino. O_O --Mithril Cloud 09:41, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, Juan Rico of Starship Troopers is a Filipino. --Glenncando 17:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Magsaysay Trivia

message: Hi folks, User:Aksi great left the following message on my talk page. Perhaps you guys could help him out. 
:List of Magsaysay awardees. Hello. I have been populating the above mentioned list since a few days and the list is now complete. I searched around for some wikipedians from Philippines and came to your page. I don't have much knowledge about Philippines or names used in that region. Could you have a look at all the names and check their spellings? There may be some people who already have articles on wikipedia but they still show as red links due to spelling mistakes that I may have made. Thanks. If you don't have much time, I will ask someone else. - Aksi_great (talk) 17:31, 26 July 2006 
Thanks, --Chris S. 00:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Magsaysay awardees 

message: ===España Boulevard===
Is featured in the Main Page's Did You Know section for the next six hours. --Howard the Duck 13:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed!  Congrats!  --Sky Harbor 15:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Why is it always at the bottom? --Howard the Duck 03:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dunno, maybe we should nominate an article together with a picture next time so it'll appear on top. --Mithril Cloud 06:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out the other 2, they're either last or second to the last hehehe... --Howard the Duck 08:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

text: A DYK every 3 days, eh? hehehe --Howard the Duck 08:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did you know? section on the Main Page 

message: Is featured in the Main Page's Did You Know section for the next six hours. --Howard the Duck 13:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed!  Congrats!  --Sky Harbor 15:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[España Boulevard]]

message: Another one. Early morning. Too bad I wasn't able to see it (lol). --Howard the Duck 23:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ''[[The Varsitarian]]''

message: Just saw it this morning. --Mithril Cloud 02:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is it always at the bottom? --Howard the Duck 03:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dunno, maybe we should nominate an article together with a picture next time so it'll appear on top. --Mithril Cloud 06:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out the other 2, they're either last or second to the last hehehe... --Howard the Duck 08:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[St. La Salle Hall]]

message: He became Manila Archbishop so it counts as Philippine-related, right? And this was placed on top this time. :) -- Mithril Cloud 07:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A DYK every 3 days, eh? hehehe --Howard the Duck 08:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jeremiah James Harty]]

message: Another one. --Howard the Duck 08:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Judicial and Bar Council]]

message: Another one. Self-nominated by SunKing --Mithril Cloud 07:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[De La Salle University Pops Orchestra]]

message: Just saw this one earlier.  --Sky Harbor 13:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Rafael Buenaventura]]

message: I'm currently working on a script intended to create short articles on political parties on a variety of wikipedias simultaneously. However, in order for the technique to work I need help with translations to various languages. If you know any of the languages listed at User:Soman/Lang-Help , then please help by filling in the blanks. For example I need help with Tagalog. Thanks, --Soman 12:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with translations 

message: In consideration of the move of the Tambayan I will be moving the shortcut WP:TAMBAY to redirect to Wikipedia_talk:Tambayan_Philippines.--Jondel 01:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That can work.  We have one redirect for the main page and one for discussions.  --Sky Harbor 14:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it should stay as-is, so they can see what we're about first, and if an editor is so inclined to comment, there is a link to us. But whatever you guys choose, is fine with me. :-D --Chris S. 06:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: That looks good!Agreed. --Jondel 10:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tambay Redirect change

message: While watching The World Tonight on ANC, they were running a report on political killings in the Philippines.  Quite amusingly, I saw the map of Lubuagan in Kalinga, which looked like the exact map used in the article of the same name.  Once again, this is the third Philippine map (the first being Seav's map of Cavite and the second being Coffee's map of Saint Bernard, Southern Leyte) taken from Wikipedia to be used in Philippine media, but, as always, WITHOUT credit.  --Sky Harbor 14:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, we were watching the exact same thing! :) I turned to the TV and saw that map and I stared wide-eyed for a few seconds, then reached for my camera but the map was gone before I could take a picture. I'm more flattered than angry, though a credit would have been better.. :p Coffee 14:52, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So ABS-CBN are copyright violators? I knew it! --Howard the Duck 05:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: NO credit?! From the license, You may copy and distribute the Document in any medium, either commercially or noncommercially, provided that this License, the copyright notices, and the license notice saying this License applies to the Document are reproduced in all copies, and that you add no other conditions whatsoever to those of this License. Raid the station!......with spam. :) --Noypi380 05:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If somebody got a screenshot we can add it in the ABS-CBN article. (evil laugh) --Howard the Duck 06:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I think this is the fourth map. I was watching Bandila a few weeks ago when they segued into the weather report. While they were mentioning that "banayad ang mga alon sa look ng Maynila" I saw for a split-second, my Manila map. I wasn't quite sure if what I saw was real. When I get the chance, I try to catch the weather report to see if I can see it again. Anyway, I suggest that we should write ABS-CBN a letter. They're violating copyright; and to think they're admonishing music pirates through Star Records. --seav 11:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We gotta have proof first. I'll be watching them by the weekend. Piracy is bad... --Howard the Duck 11:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the GFDL concept (or any copyleft concept) hasn't really sunken into the Filipino mentality just yet with regards to copyright, we can, if that is wanted.  I mean, look how much the Philippine Daily Inquirer defends the copyright of its articles, yet they use images from another source without due credit (in reference to Saint Bernard).  Even one of the most reputable Philippine media brands now violates copyright in the same manner.  Oh well.  But of course, how can we prove they did, if we don't even have screenshots?  --Sky Harbor 12:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not create a page (like Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/In the press) then we'd add them there? I remember the Saint Bernard one (I was a noob then), and with matching evidence we can link it at the Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines page. --Howard the Duck 12:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. Started. Philippine Daily Inquirer and ABS-CBN are both busted, and we can probably find more. The papers are easy to prove, just grab a copy. The networks can be proven also, by our own first hand memories as witnesses. :) They should assume good faith for we are just asking for due credit, the same way CNN credits Google Maps (they put a bold label on top). We just have to tell them all formally and hopefully they will change their practices. If not, let's go fishin. :) --Noypi380 14:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where's the cebu Daily News link? I was looking for it but it vanished... --Howard the Duck 08:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This one? Coffee 08:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we upload that to Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/In the press? --Noypi380 12:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair use images aren't allowed at the Wikipedia namespace. However, we can link it at the page. --Howard the Duck 05:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Well. It appears to be common practice for local news programs to use illustrations without credit. I have a strong hunch that the map of Israel and Lebanon they're using recently was not developed in house and was taken from the Web. --seav
Maybe local news entities need to grow up. In Japan and I think the US, copyrights are sensitive issues. They shouldn't copy with out giving due credit, specially if they intend to be part of the global community. --Jondel 13:26, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. :) --Noypi380 14:21, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's quite sensitive in the US, I think.  I tried to use older national anthem musical scores for my old school's proposed school song (which I wrote the lyrics to), but the principal objected to using them, for fear of copyright infringement.  However, I was able to find a PD score of The Internationale off the Internet, so I used that instead.  I do agree though that Philippine media entities need to grow up, and especially they need to try to lessen their dependence on the Internet, especially when it comes to using material that's not their own.  --Sky Harbor 12:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with the Philippine copyright law is that its almost like vapor. Anyway, i believe we must inform ABSCBN about this and at least credit you or the wiki for the media. Justox dizaola 09:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

text: SO how to write the letter? Do you guys wanna do it in true wikipedia style, by hosting it here in tambayan, and have it written as a community? --Noypi380 09:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to work fine with me.  I'll try starting a draft.  The question now is to who should we address it?  --Sky Harbor 12:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sky Harbor started it in Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/In the press :0 --Noypi380 03:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite oddly I didn't start it yet.  However, we can't adress the letter to INQ7 Interactive, since it is a joint venture of both the PDI and GMA Network.  The letter needs to be addressed to the Philippine Daily Inquirer itself.  --Sky Harbor 10:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For me, we should address it to Cebu Daily News. --Howard the Duck 10:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Cebu Daily News is an affiliate of and is printed by the Philippine Daily Inquirer.  --Sky Harbor 10:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then lets address directly to Cebu Daily News. When you complain at Pizza Hut, you don't go to the nearest Pepsi plant, right? --Howard the Duck 11:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this: not the Cebu Daily News, but the Inquirer affiliate that owns it: Inquirer Publications, Inc. (publisher of the Bandera and Tumbok tabloids)?  --Sky Harbor 11:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm ok with that. (P.S.: Pizza Hut was formerly owned by Pepsi, but is now owned by the guys who own KFC hehehe) --Howard the Duck 11:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, thanks! --Noypi380 12:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have started my own letters here at User:Sky Harbor/Letters to the press.  This is presuming that this community sends the letters through the postal system.  --Sky Harbor 10:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A nice map factoid

message: Fixed the history section of Philippines. Pls check it out, and make comments. I wanted to end the constant edits for good so that we can make it a feature article already. :) --Noypi380 14:21, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep up the good work!--Jondel 13:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks, and sina Howard fixed it up too. :) --Noypi380 12:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History section in the [[Philippines]] article

message: Scorpion prinz is creating a bunch of articles for the congressional districts of the Philippines (e.g., Congressional Districts of Cebu). It would be nice if we could give our comments on how best to organize these sets of articles. =) --seav 16:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, that's a lot of nice thorough work he's doing there. Even articles for districts that no longer exist. Looks good to me... Coffee 09:37, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congressional districts of the Philippines articles. 

message: Hi everyone. I created a new Wikipedia proposal called Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Philippine-related articles) in light of the non-standard methods that I have seen among Philippine-related articles.  One of which is the use of diacritics (Howard the Duck knows what I'm talking about) in people's names especially when they don't use them any more. Another non-standard thing I have notice is the naming of Philippine provinces.  Some had the word Province (with capital P, no less!) in the name when it wasn't necessary.  So this new Philippine MoS seeks to reconcile all of this.
In any case, your input is needed so we can create consensus and make it into an official style guide.  Please look over and discuss what I have so far as well as discussing new proposals that you believe should be included. All of us have work on diverse Philippine-related articles and I'm sure there's some of you who have a standardization issue that's been bothering you. :-)  To get ideas, a list of other region or language-specific MoS's are at the bottom of WP:MOS. Thanks, everyone! --Chris S. 19:18, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally! --Howard the Duck 01:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: How about Philippines and The Philippines? Can the latter still be used on articles or is it wrong to use it? --Mithril Cloud 01:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Philippines is of course the correct one, since, after all we are not called Thefilipinos. :-D I think that's covered in the general MOS but I don't see it. But take a look at the list of countries that use the definite article but whose namespace titles don't include it: the Ukraine, the Bahamas, the People's Republic of China, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and finally, the United States. --Chris S. 03:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just asking. There are still some users who use The Philippines, at least if there's a MOS for that it'll be ok to correct them. --Mithril Cloud 03:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure how much the "the" will set a precedent; I mean, we have "The Sudan" and "The Ukraine" in somewhat common usage.  --Sky Harbor 14:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Sudan and The Ukraine was already dropped though. Well, the Philippines is correct, but when it is used where "the" isn't needed like "Manila, The Philippines", i think it doesn't look/sound correct, right? --Mithril Cloud 06:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are we talking about in general usage or in Namespace titles?  Because I was talking about Namespace titles. --Chris S. 03:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Namespace titles. --Mithril Cloud 06:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure, go ahead. I still need people to comment on it, so we can turn it into an actual guideline with consensus. --Chris S. 14:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks good to me. I like the idea of having a style-guide for Philippine-related articles. About the "municipalities" section though... the current convention is to have municipalities in the form Municipalityname, Province (e.g. Valencia, Negros Oriental) and cities generally in the form Cityname City (e.g. Dumaguete City). Coffee 11:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added a "city" section there. But I made it Cityname, City for independent cities only. Perhaps we need to work it out there. --Howard the Duck 15:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Goodness, Seav. I just noticed what Tobias Conradi did habang natutulog ako. Tama ka pala. Kailangan ko nang ayusin. hehe. --Chris S. 17:33, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Manual of Style 

message: Does anyone know the exact date of the Ati-Atihan festival in Kalibo in 2007? I am thinking of visiting the festival, but can't seem to find the dates. The official website is not updated yet. I have noticed, by the way, that two articles describe the same festival here on Wikipedia. (Ati-Atihan Festival and Ati-Atihan) Maybe they should be merged? Magalhães 07:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's always at the feast of Santo Nino. However i'd suggest now to merge those two. Ati-Atihan is the general term for people running around greased with charcoal, while the Festival refers specifically to the one held at Kalibo. --Howard the Duck 08:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But when exactly is the feast of Santo Nino? Magalhães 09:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Sunday after Epiphany. --Howard the Duck 10:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ati-Atihan Festival 

message: I've put this category and its 18 subcategories up for deletion at :Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_7#Filipino people by ethnic or national origin.  Your input appreciated. --Chris S. 04:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CfD on Filipino people by ethnic or national origin 

message: hi guys... I would like to propose to change the pictures of the Philippine Presidents... because currently all articles have the portrait pictures which is unsuitable for article biographies... most biographic article for the Filipino Presidents are generally good but other Wikipedians would not rate those articles as  GOOD ARTICLES because of its pictures ... peads 03:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be alright with changing the main pictures on the articles to something other than the Malacañang portraits. I originally uploaded those pics long ago when most president articles had no pictures... but now that I think of it, it really would be better if we had actual photographs of the presidents, when available. Coffee 05:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree but the new pics must be at public domain. --Howard the Duck 11:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends on the situation.  Not all presidential photos are PD; we are sure that the state portraits are PD under Philippine copyright law.  However, if there are actual PD self-photos, then those are fine.  --Sky Harbor 14:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures of the Philippine Presidents 

message: Bun mui was the subject of an August 2006 op-ed  in a Filipino newspaper. The writer thinks the article is wrong and says "THE COUNTRY should complain to the global information resource Wikipedia." I'm not quite clear what his problem is, but maybe more knowledgeable editors can address it before we indeed have an entire country complaining. Sandstein 06:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The dispute is about the touchy subject of domestic helpers (maids) in Hong Kong. Seeing from history page (first page, at least), nobody from the Tambayan took part in writing the article, so I'm assuming much of the content was writen by Hong Kongers. --Howard the Duck 08:52, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Op-ed complaint about [[Bun mui]] 

message: It seems that ABS-CBN is very fond of using Wikipedia maps these days.  I saw this time the map of Nueva Valencia, Guimaras, made by TheCoffee, on TV Patrol.  And once again, this is WITHOUT credit.  --Sky Harbor 11:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again. This is too much, we have to send the letter soon. --Noypi380 14:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aargh, I wasn't able to see it. Anyone with screencaps? What program? --Howard the Duck 15:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't have my camera on me.  It was when Karen Davila was talking about this article on TV Patrol World which is available online: Coast Guard sends ships to clean Guimaras oil spill.  I have my letters available, but how are we going to send it to them?  --Sky Harbor 15:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's said there that its "newsfeedback@abs-cbn.com", but we need a more dedicated address. --Howard the Duck 15:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My letters are designed to go through the postal system, but if we do course it through e-mail, we need something more reliable.  --Sky Harbor 22:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's better if it's sent through the postal system. --Mithril Cloud 01:20, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: On a related note, looks like ABS-CBN loves to use Wikipedia as their reference. I just saw a screenshot of the Fenfluramine article on TV Patrol. --Mithril Cloud 11:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They might not realize it, but content on Wikipedia is Copyrighted. --Howard the Duck 12:20, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, placed reuser's guide in Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/In the press --Noypi380 12:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't we transfer letters to the press on the discussion page of "In the press", then we'll present the evidences/testimonies on the project page? --Howard the Duck 13:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That can work.  --Sky Harbor 13:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I had the naughty idea of including "second license" to my GFDL'd images such that if you use the images without adhering to the GFDL license, then the second license applies, which essentially says that you cannot sue me if I use your own copyrighted works. (And now I can download Star Records's music legally! Hehehe.) --seav 15:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: slow evil laughHahahaha!--Noypi380 01:00, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very well, I'll start redesiging the In the press page.  Question is, what letters are we going to send?  --Sky Harbor 09:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another nice map factoid