Talk:Bird vocalization

message: The cortical nuclei involved have been more precisely delineated in "Covert skill learning in a cortical-basal ganglia circuit" by Charlesworth et al. in Nature 486, 251 from 2012-06-14 showing that learning of excellence (singing with a higher fundamental frequency) may happen without motoric realisation. Robert Eriksens (talk) 19:44, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cortical-basal ganglia circuit 

message: I agree about the subheadings, and I also think it needs more from the behavioral side of ornithology, some birds with famous songs, duets, loud songs, etc.  —JerryFriedman 00:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: The starling image is terrific. Could someone record a starling singing so the image could have an associated audio clip? --Jtir 19:49, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can use the template  to make audio file requests. You could also place this on the starling page. This page should definitely have links to relevant songs throughout, not just a commons link at the end. Richard001 06:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are some starling sounds on Freesound. Shyamal 09:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could someone record a starling singing? 

message: Is there any reason the 'music' link in the introduction redirects to Avril Lavigne? 144.124.16.28 09:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yikes! That is some badly missed vandalism. The whole intro was replaced with nonsense really. Thanks for pointing that out. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 11:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Misdirected link

message: A move of this page to Bird vocalization is under discussion on the bird project talk page. This article would include material on bird call, song, behavioural aspects, learning, mimicry, call semantics, sonograms, use of calls in systematics, acoustic ecology etcetera. Comments here or on the bird project talk page are welcome. Shyamal 03:29, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has now been upgraded to be more suitable for the title of bird vocalization, but the move seems to be rather tricky with a large number of incoming links, a disambiguation page for bird song etc. So leaving it as is for now. Shyamal 15:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to Bird vocalization

message: I saw an article in the National Wildlife Federation magazine about bird song, specifically about the groups of birds that learn their song and aren't born knowing it, and thought the information might be useful to this article. Here's a link to the article if anyone's interested:. I think it would also provide a source for the dialect fact. --Jude. 18:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NWF article 

message: I can't tell what this means (from "Learning").  Someone who knows, please fix it.
:The early song is "plastic" and variable and it takes two or three months to and the song is perfect and non-varying when the bird becomes sexually mature.'
On the other hand, in "Anatomy" I took a guess that "it" in the following sentence meant "the bird" (not "the syrinx"):
:It controls the pitch by changing the tension on the membranes and controls both pitch and volume by changing the force of exhalation.
—JerryFriedman 06:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am responsible for the first bit and hopefully it is now resolved. Shyamal 06:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, those editing errors that are invisible to the editor.  I have generated many of them myself.  —JerryFriedman 21:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  messed-up sentence 

message: I just added some new content to the Learning and Neurophysiology sections. The new content highlights more recent findings and models for birdsong learning.  I also switched the order of these two sections to enhance the logical flow of the information, and changed the name of the Neurophysiology section to Neuroanatomy in order to make the section name more rightly fit the content found within it. I also cleaned up and contributed additional content to the Auditory Feedback section. Due to inadequate sources and discussion of speculative subjects that lacked scientific vigor, I moved the Bird Language section further down in the article, and deleted the last paragraph in the section, which lacked citations and evidence. G. Baum, Cornell University 21:56, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: learning and neurophysiology section

message: Bird calls have also had Morse code used to notate them, but apparently we are not allowed to mention that. Jidanni (talk) 02:00, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It needs a reliable reference WP:RS. It must be dots and dashes to indicate timing rather than the Morse code encoding to send messages. Shyamal (talk) 03:35, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morse Code 

message: 'British Library's archive of bird sounds representing more than 8,000 species.'
Yes, but could someone (tm) locate the page? The link gives a four-oh-four.
91.152.87.120 (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Library bird songs 

message: The journal Brain and Language just put out a special issue on birdsong: Vol. 115, No. 1. The (1.5-page) introduction might be a nice reference for here; it also lists some other review articles that are good overviews. If anyone can't access it, feel free to contact me and I can e-mail pdfs. rʨanaɢ (talk) 12:16, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Brain and Language'' special issue 

message: Is it really appropriate to have a long section on mirror neurons here based exclusively on Prather's research? There are about ten high-profile research groups studying various aspects of the neuroscience of bird vocalization and it would seem unwieldy to have a 7-paragraph of each group's research, but biased to only include such a long summary for some of them.
Ionocube (talk) 08:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Mirror neurons

message: Here's another helpful source:
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rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  TICS review 

message: "For example, ravens mobbing a hawk or owl in a tree will clump around the predator in a loose ball, calling and diving. If the ravens rise off the tree and fly higher, the predator was a hawk and has flown up to escape, as is typical of hawks. If the ravens drop out of the tree and fly low and away, the predator was an owl and has dropped low off its perch to escape, as is typical of owls.[44]" -- this doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the "bird" language section. Of course, it's an interesting factoid about alarm, but how is it language? (And not just two responses that we can interpret as having different causes)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.160.125.105 (talk) 07:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  last sentences of "bird language" don't really fit 

message: The Radio Four programme All in the Mind discussed, on an edition broadcast in November 2012, the psychological effects that bird song had on human beings. Does any one think this is a topic worth discussion in this article? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 16:34, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Should article mention effects on human beings?

message: The page on contact calling links the phenomenon to birds however there is not much if anything on this page dealing with birds using vocalization in order to keep in contact with each other during foraging and the like (I only discovered this page as I was doing a search to find out why the birds around me at a local gardens were doing a continuous call - response cycle - of coarse my enquiry went unanswered until I found the contact calling page). Felt this worth a mention although I am not qualified to do the actual edit myself. Norlesh (talk) 08:40, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Connection to Contact Calling

message: The sentence "This claim has been refuted by Sotorrio (Tone Spectra), who has shown that birds are not selecting scale tones from a myriad of tonal possibilities, but are filtering out and reinforcing the available set of overtones from the fundamental tones of their vocal cords." needs references. In general this subsection is lacking many recent advances made on musicality of bird song.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arayasalas (talk • contribs) 17:07, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Bird song and music

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message: : a large number of audio files have been added to this article without any discussion. It is not usual to have more than a very few media files in an article. There is no consensus for the extended sequence of additions. I would oppose having more than perhaps two or three files, carefully chosen to illustrate the diversity of vocalisations. We certainly should not be adding one file after another without discussion and agreement on the right approach for this article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:44, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Audio files