Talk:Mario Clash

message: *http://www.destructoid.com/mario-clash-the-first-forgotten-3d-mario-game-215582.phtml
*http://retro.ign.com/articles/895/895518p1.html
*http://retro.nintendolife.com/reviews/2009/05/mario_clash_retro
*http://ds.ign.com/articles/110/1106174p1.html
*http://retro.ign.com/articles/954/954165p1.html
*http://themushroomkingdom.net/manuals/mc.txt (Situational sources that is acceptable in "factual situations only".)
For improving the article in the future... Sergecross73 msg me  03:14, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Quick Note, Destructoid is not a RS as per WP:VG/S -- author reliability needs to be demonstrated.  If there is scrutiny, be ready to demonstrate why "Chad Concelmo" makes this a RS. :) Salvidrim! 03:18, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, but it's a situational source. In my experience, it seems like situational sources are easier to justify in situations like this, where a game has limited RS coverage... Sergecross73 msg me  03:23, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but the table clearly says author reliability needs to be determined. ;)  In addition, paper sources are probably more abundant than online ones for this game. Salvidrim! 03:26, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading through it(EDIT:the Destructoid source) now, after reading through the other sources up there, it really doesn't add anything the other ones don't. (In fact, half of it is off-topic ranting on how crazy the VB itself was.) So, I don't really see any need to use it whether its justified or not... Sergecross73 msg me  19:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Most reviews are contemporary reviews of a retro game, not reviews at the time of release.  I'll try to see if it was covered in magazines -- I'm thinking NP might be possible. Salvidrim! 19:51, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, we may have exhausted much of what the internet can provide in the form of reliable sources... Sergecross73 msg me  19:59, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Fixed.  It is a staff-produced video. Salvidrim! 03:58, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Thanks. I'll work on integrating some of that. (I came across that defunct games website recently when researching for another older video game. It was hard to say if it was reliable or not...it seemed to be borderline...) Sergecross73 msg me  04:13, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The best bet is to start a discussion at WP:VG/S about DefunctGames.  But the NP source definitely is the most solid base this article will have. Salvidrim! 04:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been done. FYI. Sergecross73 msg me  04:40, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Of uncertain RS-status, just gathering info:
*Defunctgames - Uncertain RS
*VGCritic - Already used(?)
*GamesRadar - RS
*Nintendojo - Possible RS, was used in at least one GA.
*Nintendo Power Vol.75, August 1995, p. 26-29 (26, 27, 28, 29)
The last one if most interesting, since it is "vintage" (at the time of the game's release", complete & comprehensive, uncontroversially RS, and... well, great. Use it and abuse it! Salvidrim! 20:02, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I'll work on integrating some of that. (I came across that defunct games website recently when researching for another older video game. It was hard to say if it was reliable or not...it seemed to be borderline...) Sergecross73 msg me  04:13, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The best bet is to start a discussion at WP:VG/S about DefunctGames.  But the NP source definitely is the most solid base this article will have. Salvidrim! 04:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been done. FYI. Sergecross73 msg me  04:40, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: More reviews

message: We'll have to see if we can verify anything in this section, about the Warioware games having similar minigames to Mario Clash. I have a feeling that this could just be someone's original research, but I didn't want to remove it yet, as it would be noteworthy if indeed true... Sergecross73 msg me  03:31, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ultimately, we'll need a source, but I just realized that one of those Warioware games is one of the free Ambassador program games for the 3DS. Since I own Mario Clash and am in Ambassador program, I'll try to check and see if I personally see a connection or not... Sergecross73 msg me  14:16, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Some official strategy guides undoubtedly mention the gameplay of the microgames as described, however if no RS makes the connection with Mario Clash, saying it is similar would be synthesis.  And, honestly, it's not exactly "unique" gameplay, so it could be very similar without any link whatsoever. Salvidrim! 17:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Salvidrim is right.184.44.129.253 (talk) 17:57, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, I've seen it referred to as similar to the original Mario Bros. in multiple places...which makes me wonder if the Warioware games are merely based off that... Sergecross73 msg me  20:28, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering Mario Clash was based on Mario Bros., it all comes from the same place. Salvidrim! 20:29, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Which one of the WarioWare game is that? Salvidrim! 02:09, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

text: The one I played wasWarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgames!  for the Game Boy Advance. From what I read at the article, it sounds like the other one, WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Party Games!,  was pretty much just a port/remake for the Gamecube. So it sounds like it was probably more like 1 appearance in 2 versions of the 1 game... Sergecross73 msg me  02:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Added.  The detailes gameplay description of the microgame is uncited, but perhaps not entirely necessary right now.  Also merged four identical references into one and converted to proper {cite web} insteas of Bare URLs. Salvidrim! 18:25, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. And sorry, I tend to do the bare minimum as far as the technical stuff goes with refs. I figure as long as the ref itself is there, I let other do the specific clean up stuff. Sergecross73 msg me  18:36, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And the technical side is not something I mind fixing, so it's all good. :p Salvidrim! 18:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Appearrance

message: Is there any information out there that could be worked into a development section? That's a pretty standard section for videogame articles, but I'm not seeing much along the lines of what usually goes in those. Most of the info found so far seems to fall into "Gameplay", or "Reception". I think with some of the sources that has been scrounged up in the article and on this talk page, something along the lines of "it was meant to be a Mario title to save the system, but it wasn't enough" type thing, but even that would kind of be a stretch... Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me  18:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: While I believe that since this was developped for a rather unique console with unique elements, some basic thing like I did at Dr. Mario (video game), where basically no info on Development is available, might be sufficient. Salvidrim! 22:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometime I'll try to read up on some more general Virtual Boy stuff. Perhaps that could bring up some more passive mentionings of it in relation to the system or something... Sergecross73 msg me  15:41, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps sources from Virtual Boy may be useful. Salvidrim! 21:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Development 

message: Still struggling to find more Development section information. (Though the article on a whole looks pretty good, considering what we have to work with.) Something I found while searching; supposedly there was a brief Mario Tech demo shown off for the Virtual Boy, though it was done more in the vein of a Super Mario type way. If any reliable sources covered that tech demo, it would be interesting to see if it had any ties to this game. (ie maybe it was cancelled or delayed in favor of this game?) In my preliminary search, I only found Youtube and Fansite coverage though, and nothing significant, so it could be a stretch, but it's just a thought... Sergecross73 msg me  14:28, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Mario Tech Demo

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