Talk:Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest/Archive 1

message: Crying out loud, that's some messy grammar.  I've done a little to help, but I'll be damned if I'll do it all.  Anyone care to lend a hand? ;D 68.225.240.87 09:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because to remove it it's something needs to be discussed by the editors, not by one person. Second, with the fact that there is so much editing being done to it every day, is shows it's still in need of work. I've seen your edit the plot 3 or 4 times day, for consecutive days. This level of editing, even if minor, is another reason it's there. The tag isn't just about "overlong, confusing or ambiguous" plot, it's about anything that needs to be done with it. There are more specific tags that can be used i'm sure, but this one does the same job. Bignole 15:21, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I don't know the exact tag, but you are welcome to find the correct tag and replace the "plot" tag. I know there is one for just alerting a section needs "sprucing".Bignole
And speaking of grammar (see the first post), by the time I did any work on the PotC articles, most of the grammar (and spelling) looked to be in pretty good shape. However, I removed most of the colons, semicolons, em dashes, etc. from all of the articles. There were way too many. I actually love using these; they are effective literary devices—but only when used sparingly. (The same goes for using parenthesis and quoting dialogue.) There should be no more than one or two of each per article. I also streamlined nearly every paragraph removing excess words and phrases that were only adding "dead weight" to sentences.PNW Raven 02:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I think maybe the best tag currently would be the { {copyedit} } tag. Bignole 02:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, it almost seems like we are back where we started. I shortened the entire plot yesturday and removed a lot of details for a reason, and it seems like it's back to exactly where it was 2 days ago. Plots don't need all these details. If it isn't necessary then it doesn't need to be there. (example: You can simply say Talia (sp) helped Jack and his crew by ...... , instead of going into all this detail about how they traded the monkey. There are more like this. The drunken brawl doesn't need detail.) Bignole 14:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: You're substituting watching the film by listing all that detail. Check out Halloween (1978 film) for a good idea of what a plot should outline. When someone dies, they say just that, you don't see tons of details leading up to why they die, and that is a Featured Article. For a longer film, one that would rival the length of this movie, see Revenge of the Sith. Notice the plot in that film. There are details, but extraneous details that only serve to mildly explain something that isn't relevant to the movie as a whole are left out. The fact that they traded the monkey for information is irrelevant. The purpose of a plot is not to explain every last detail so that the reader knows why everything is happening as such, it's just point out the key plot points and leave it as such. Wiki is not a substitution for watching the film, and explaining why everything is taking place is substituting from watching the film. Bignole 03:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I can't help what other people do, or have done. But plots should not be so detailed that they become substitutions (it's in the "What Wikipedia is not" article). Plots should be brief; granted this movie is overly long and thus it's "brief plot" will be longer than most films. An example would be saying something like, "Will discovers the location of the key to Davy Jones' chest and steals it while he is sleeping." You don't need to explain that he played Liar's dice and that his father sacraficed his sould for his son's. Yes, it's a big moment, but not important to what Will is doing, which is attempting to steal the key. You can get the point across with simple sentences explaining the important aspects. If it can be left out without detracting from what is actually going on, then remove it. The Liar's dice game is irrelevant to what Will is doing, it was only a means of helping him accomplish his goal, and thus better suited for watching than reading. Bignole 13:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I was also concerned about causing an "uproar" over deleting certain items people feel strongly about, and I left things in that I would have preferred to see go. I tried to stay within Wikipedia rules of not changing someone else's work to reflect my own views, opinions or analysis.PNW Raven 15:23, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's becoming clear that only you and I are concerned with this article's future (considering that it appears people want to groom it for a Featured Article listing). I say, if someone has a problem with it, then they come here, otherwise it needs to be rewritten. Remember, there are also policies for being "BOLD" and "going against the rules if it serves the betterment of the article". Bignole 15:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I haven't read it recently, haven't had the chance...will do so later. Bignole 04:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

text: That's probably best reserved for my personal talk page, but just to answer you no I didn't. I've never even ventured over to that page. Just check the History tab and you can see who did what. Bignole 00:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: G4 mentioned something about this earlier. That the government thought its citizenry "couldn't handle" the film. Anyone know if this is true or have any form of verification? --AWF
I don't know, but it sounds about right. They banned the Da Vinci Code too. I know that one for a fact. They would have the power to under a communist/socialist society. 64.194.234.163 02:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't blame the politic society, blame the politicians who missuse the power they are given... Otherwise, yes, I do believe POTC got banned in China, I can check up on it if you want? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.228.148.172 (talk) 18:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Did the Chinese ban Pirates?

message: Crystaliser I understand why they want his heart: One wants it for its power, one wants it to regain honour and statue and one wants revenge for family. What i dont understand is how can you use the heart, can you control jones with it or somthing? or is it just blackmailing jones once you have it?
*That's how I understood it, I mean, if it can destroy him it must be of great value and that would be an excellent bartering chip or blackmail opportunity. ShadowUltra 15:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC
*It's important beause its Davy Jones' heart and he can't live without it. Will wants to stab/kill it so davy Jones will die and 'Bootstap Bill' will be free; Jack wants to threaten Davy jones and say that he'll kill it unless Davy counts his debt as repayed and calls off the Kraken, that's why he won't let Will kill it because if Davy Jones dies before he can call of the Kraken it will be chasing jack for the rest of his life. Norrington wants it to give to the East India Trade company guy so he can get a job there and the East India Trade Company guy wants it because whoever has the heart basically rules the seas eg: Davy Jones has to do everything whoever has the heart wants him to do because if he doesn't they might kill the heart, thus killing him. it's simple--JG ROX 03:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, no - both Jack and the East India Company want the heart so they will permanently control the sea.  For that to work, they have to keep Jones alive, so that he will protect their ships and destroy/attack those of their enemies.  Thus their goals are mutually exclusive - Jack and the EIC aren't going to want to share power, and if Will destroys the heart, he ruins Jack and/or the EIC's control of the seas. --Tim4christ17 08:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How to use Jones' Heart

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Why is the monkey still cursed> shouldnt it have been lifted at the end of the first movie?
After the credits in the first movie there is a scene where you see Jack (the monkey) picking up a piece of Aztec Gold and in effect re-cursing himself---JG ROX 01:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i didnt see any of Barbossas crewman cut themselves and repay the blood. so whats the sense in that? (Cablebfg 23:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They'd been cursed for, what, a decade by then?  That's plenty of time for each of them to cut themselves with each coin retrieved. 68.225.240.87 09:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, after reading the plot of Curse of the Black Pearl, i see that it does require spilt blood from all that have taken from the cursed treasure. So yes, until Jack (the monkey) spills its own blood, the curse will stay with him. (Cablebfg 23:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: In short, not likely to happen. 68.225.240.87 09:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Monkey

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The filmmakers are shooting the two sequels back-to-back, à la The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions as well as Back to the Future Part II and Part III. Because of this, filming is not expected to end until December 2005.
Back to the Future <--- ?
68.100.161.83 02:53, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Back to the Future Part II and Back to the Future Part III.  As the wikipedia stage for Part II states, the second and third parts of the trilogy were filmed at the same time and released six months apart. Kaellana 22:07, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Back To Back

message: Someone said that inside the chest is Davy Jones' heart (because his lover leaved him and he is so heartbroken and tore it out...), is that true? Chrisyu357 13:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  This was revealed in an article back in December.  Myrana13 14:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot, but just another question: Did Barbossa's crew joined Jack's crew? Cause I saw Pintel in one scene of the trailer when Will Turner said "Never mind, let's go." Chrisyu357 11:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SPOILERS

message: First somebody said Jack Sparrow was murdered by Barbossa. Then somebody said that his ship was sunk by a Kraken and he drowned. So which one is it?ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 20:57, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How'd he die? 

message: This movie seems so much darker than the first one. I'm kind of dissapointed that the filmakers would make this movie like this...
I know, it seemed like a perfect ending of the first one, but I'm still anxious to see the sequels –Obsessed
This movie is one of the best movies i've seen this whole year..Bar none. it is way darker than is predecesser and has at least twice the action. The romance between Will and Elizabeth is slightly cooled in this film, which is dissapointing because you dearly wished for them to be together in the last film, but the diliema Elizabeth goes through with her feelings is almost a plot on it's own. The special effects are amazing, you'll be thrown back in your seat by some of the Flying dutchman Crew. I have to say though, most of the comedy in this movie is based on inside jokes, so if you hadn't seen the first one, you might not catch the humor (like the rum jokes) but it will keep you laughing. Go  see this movie it is something you will want to see in theaters.
-hillary g.
It was a great movie, but i thought it was really confusing. I mean does Elizabeth like Jack or is the compass pointing to the chest and Jack happens to be standing in that direction? I loved POC1 (Pirates Of the Caribbean 1)but it just seems like so much has changed between the end of that and the beginning of Dead Mans Chest.
1- Will and Jack were like really good friends and they could almost know wht the other one was going to do next in POC1 but in POC2 they're like almost enemies
2- In POC1 Jack and Will team up against Norington so why don't they in POC2???
3- I sort of interpret the sword fight over the Dead Man's Chest (just beore they are on the water wheel) to also be over 
Elizabeth but then why don't they pay any attention to her?
4- Gibbs isn't nearly as obsessed with luck as he s in POC1
5- Elizabeth and Will don't seem to have become at all closer than they were in the first one.
6- In POC1 Jack doesn't really seem very interested on Elizabeth, i mean when they're on the island he sort of tries to seduce her but when she burns the rum he decides he hates her doesn't he? So why is he so interested in her in POC2?
7- POC1 was really funny, i watched it about five times in the cinemas and when i got the dvd i  watched it at least twice a week and everyday in the holidays and it is still hilarious but POC2 doesn't seem to have as many jokes. i mean in POC1 there's like the serious scene where Elizabeth is a child and then it goes on to the funny one with Jack, i was expecting something similar with POC2 and i suppose the bit where Jack breaks out of the coffin is supposed to be like that but it just doesn't have the same effect on you. POC2's jokes are funnier but there aren't as many.
8- Does anyone else see an obvious similarity between the bit in the cages and the bit in the water wheel? in both scenes people are just rolling around in circles! i think the cage bit was funny but the water wheel bit went on for too long.
9- Now just to warn you im like completely obsessed with the Will, Elizabeth, Jack triangle so forgive me if i go on about it for too long. ok, Jack likes Elizabeth and Elizabeth thinks she might like Jack; Will likes Elizabeth and tries to be friends with Jack (i say tries because Jack doesn't seem to want to be friends with Will anymore); Elizabeth is Will's almost wife so you'd assume she likes him. so why does Jack suddenly want to take Elizabeth from Will? In POC1 as i've already said, Jack and Will are like best friends in a crazy sort of way; they know what the other one is planning (eg: when Jack tricks Barbosa at the end of POC1 and he and Will 'kill' him and some of his crew) so how come Jack like hates Will in POC2
10- Jack seems to sort of loose his 'happy go lucky' personality, he's still funny, but not nearly as much as he is in POC1
Also if you've read Deltora Quest (Emily Rodda) there is a certian similarity between the 'Fear' (Cavern of Fear) and the Kraken. The scene near the end where Jack is on the Black Pearl and the Kraken comes out of the water and you see its mouth you're supposed to assume it eats him. But in Deltora Quest Cavern of Fear the Fear's only weak point is its mouth, any similarity???? Also Barbosa is still alive right... in the first movie they say "captained by a man so evil that hell itself spat him back out" why couldn't it have spat him out again? I mean it seems a bit far fetched but it does make sense. I guess you're supposed to assume the freaky witch lady brought him back to life, but why couldn't he have been spat out of hell again? Maybe i'm the only person who thought it was confusing but seriously, lots of things seem way different in Dead Man's Chest, if you know the answer to my previous questions please tell me!! All in all Dead Man's Chest is really good, if you haven't seen it it's the second best movie eva!!! (the original is always the best!!!)- --JG ROX 01:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHOA! 

message: The plot may be subject to copyright and should not be added to the article. Publishing key elements of a work that has not been commercially released yet is not fair use, see Harper & Row v. Nation Enterprises. --Michael Snow 06:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Though probably not illegal, especially considering the book's own revelations, it seems inconsiderate to post the film's final plot while the film is still in theaters. I may be alone in this, but it seems rational to allow a finished work to have its day in the sun before it is deconstructed so plainly.  Just a thought. --Spesek 21:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot removal 

message: http://wherestherum.com/bookspoilers.html       is a full summary P.h 17:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  summary 

message: The novel isout that should tell us the plot. Jamhaw 20:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot

message: I heard on YouTube that a new Disney logo will debut before the film. Could somebody find more information on this? 24.207.210.139 22:38, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This links to a page that has been removed. Suggesting removal of link. Thanks. --Spesek 21:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Logo

message: It says that Keith Richards might be playing "Bootstrap Bill" Turner in the 3rd movie, but the actual article on the character claims that the role has been awarded to Stellan Skarsgård. I don't know if that's true or not, but obviously either this article or the other is wrong. JesperLærke 20:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Keith Richards

message: Just  got back about an hour ago and I can say much written here is correct.  I can also say I loved it. 
However....I have some theories as to what is to come....(WARNING! AVERT YOUR EYES IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE TO A LATE NIGHT PREVIEW AS I HAVE! SPOILERS FOLLOW HERE!!!!!)
1) I think that Davy Jones's heart is going to be a lot more than the British East India Company bargained for....the kraken WILL be back....and Norrington will summarily @£$£@@$ himself, but not before realizing that the British East India Company does not have his or anyone's best interests at heart.
2) Captain Jack is not dead. Just "hibernating."  Disney would not be stupid enough to completely 86 him since he is the biggest box office draw they have had in years, and I think we shall see him again, soon. Furthermore, I think the Black Pearl may either be rebuilt  in the next film or it is residing wherever Jack went at the end of this one.
3) Barbossa is going to be one hell of a guy to contend with as a captain, especially since he tried to kill most of the main players in the first one. Keep a weather eye open.
4) We never really do find out what deal Elizabeth's father made on her behalf.....this will be important, I think.
5) The backstory to Davy Jones's heart being in the chest in the first place I have a feeling is a foreshadowing of things to come with Elizabeth and Will. (If you saw your woman "betray" you with a pirate, wouldn't a seed of doubt be planted in your heart as to her heart being true? Will the compass betray Elizabeth in the future?
6) Does anyone remember the rhyme from Treasure Island?  (Fifteen men on a dead man's chest.....drink and the devil hath done for the rest......)  It could be a clue as to how Davy Jones will wind up...
7) And on top of it all, they are going to squeeze in Jack Sparrow's dad. Hmm, sounds to me like Barbossa is going to have a crewmember suspiciously similar in temperment to one eyeliner wearing pirate with a bad case of ataxia. shadowcat60  4:00, 7 July 2006 (EST)
Also, interestingly, they say we're going to find out more about Jack's past dealings with the East India Trading Company. Maybe this will explain exactly why the compass wouldn't point one way for him? Fishies Plaice 10:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: My two cents

message: I've never actually read any of Lovecraft, but have found out some of the details about Cthulhu from various parodies, such as the webcomic "Hello Cthulhu".  Davy Jones' appearance looks a bit similar to him (facial tentacles, of course), and I think a lot of this movie's audience might think similar things.  But I didn't see any info about Lovecraftian inspiration on the IMDB page for this movie, at least not yet.  I don't want to add anything because that would probably be considered original research.  What do others have to say?
A bit closer to home, there are anatomical similarities between Davy Jones and Dr. Zoidberg from Futurama as well (facial tentacles as well as claw hands).  Again, what do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andyjay729 (talk • contribs) 
The facial tentacles are kind of familiar, as is the desire for souls and the dwelling at the bottom of the sea. But Cthulu is a lot larger- bigger than the kraken, probably, and winged. So the similarities are stretched a bit... Fishies Plaice 19:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cthulhu+Dr. Zoidberg 

message: I believe the statement about the possibility of this becoming both the highest opening day and highest opening weekend could be phrased to include the fact that Revenge of the Sith was the highest opening day before DMC beating it. Revenge of the Sith had prevoiusly beaten spiderman already for the highest opening day but not for the opening weekend. Just my 2 cents NeoXtremeX 07:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Those were a bunch of fingers, laced into a necklace, mostly looking similar to thumbs, and i believe he either bit a part of the nail (cuticle) or probably the dead skin off of the thumb. (Cablebfg 23:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No they're toes, if you don't believe me check the Visual Guide.--JG ROX 06:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  the highest opening weekend? 

message: The island shown at the beginning of the movie.  What is it? At the beginning of the movie you see jack's first mate drinking and singing, and then the camera pans to a firey hell looking island that finally stops at a bunch of workers dumping caskets into the sea from which jack is shown to be in one and escapes.What is the name of that island? Most of the island in the movies are based off of real islands and locations (except for some of the islands of myth.)
Just one of Jack's usual silly and random adventures, just like how he got on the cannibal island and taking that boat in the first film.
Yeah but most locations in the movie are based off of actual islands.  It seems to be a sort of penal colony...can anyone elaborate?
I thoutght it bore a more than passing resemblance to Château d'If. --Musha 01:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Island jack escapes from at the beginning 

message: I think this reviewon askaninja.com is worth a mention. I assume it is tongue in cheek (on account of the Pirates versus Ninjas meme), but as I have not yet seen the film, I can't be sure.
Colossus 86 12:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ninja review 

message: When does this movie take place, in relation to the first? I assume it's a few months after? - 81.151.191.50 18:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Time

message: Were the following islands...
a) The cannibals' island
b) Jamaican chick's island
c) Island where the Dead Man's Chest was buried
...all supposed to be the same? Because Jack was reluctant to go over open water when they left the cannibal island, and at the end of the movie the survivors of the Pearl somehow made it back to the Jamaican chick's place in that little rowboat (which they could not possibly cross a sea in). Battle Ape 03:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Same island? 

message: has anyone else noticed how Barbossa seems to have a strange obsession with green apples. In the the first Pirates of the Caribbean when he offers Elizabeth an apple she thinks it's poisoned. This may serve a part in his obsession but seriously! Also in Curse of the Black Pearl, we get the clue that the apple is poisoned because of the 'Snow White apple superstition', but in the time where the film is set Snow White hadn't yet been written, why does Elizabeth think the apple is poisoned and not the wine or any other food?--JG ROX 05:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the first film, he mentions that all he wants to do is be able to TASTE the green apple, so in the second film he is seen finally eating the apple and obviously enjoying it as he can now taste the apple. also, when Elizabeth is first offered the apple (first film), this was the first time Barbossa had ever offered any food item to Elizabeth, so after that she seems to relax and doesnt fear that he poisoned any other food, because i believe he ends up taking a bite out of that green apple he offered her. correct me if im wrong. (Cablebfg 19:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see, well, im not sure, they break it down in the Captain Barbossa article though. (Cablebfg 23:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Barbossa's Apple Obsession

message: Was it just me, or was the part where Jack used a coffin for a make-shift boat(at the start of the film) a refrence to the game Monkey Island 2?
Given, the Monkey Island series has admittedly drawn influence from the PotC Disneyland ride...I don't know if there's a boat-coffin in said ride, but if there isn't, could this be a shout-out to the Monkey Island series?--BrotherEstapol 12:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Without a citation to a comment by the filmmakers acknowledging the reference, it can't be in the article per WP:NOR. -- MisterHand 13:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Monkey Island Refrences

message: The quotes section has been moved to the more appopriate venue, wikiquote. You can continue to expand and edit it there: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean:_Dead_Man%27s_Chest -- MisterHand 17:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: Does anyone know what the tune of Davy Jones's music box is called? Or if it was just a made up tune for the film? --Obsessed 00:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music Box 

message: --68.74.165.189 02:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  the real truth about who likes who. 

message: When i first heard Davy Jones' voice it sounded really high pitched, i thought that maybe that was just in comparison to someones voice that you'd heard before that was really low but as Dead man's Chest continued i had to hold back laughted whenever Davy Jones spoke, his voice was one that you'd imagine for a goldfish or something.--JG ROX 02:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Davy Jones' Voice

message: The Influences section contains no citations and appears to be original research, so I've moved it here until full citations are provided.
The removed section is found below. -- MisterHand 13:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences section moved due to original research 

message: I just added a section to the article noting the similarity between Davy Jone's heart in the chest and Koschei the Immortal from the famous Russian folk tale. His soul is hidden separate from his body inside a needle, which is in an egg, which is in a duck, which is in a hare, which is in an iron chest, which is buried under a green oak tree, which is on the island of Buyan, in the ocean.
:I think necessary body parts being separated from the body isn't anwhere near a new thing. The evil guy is always missing his hand or eye or brain or heart or soul (infact, lots of people in movies seem to be missing their brains). In Harry Potter there are horcruxes (pieces of Voldemort's soul) and that's just lately. --JG ROX 05:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While this is interesting, unfortunately it is also original research, and as such I've removed it from the article. -- MisterHand 13:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similarity to Koschei 

message: The whole theme and few characters reflect significant deal of similarities with the Sinbad animated movie. And the title "world's end" is again quite familiar with Sinbad story line. I am guessing there may be some story in the old days from sailors and seamen about the elements used in these movies and not rather a direct influence. Does any one know more clues to this?
202.69.56.98 11:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sinbad ( Dreamworks )

message: Didnt Davy Jones and Tia Dalme have the same lockets because the movie seems to imply something like 
Tia is connected to Davy Jones in some way like she is the one he loved or related and the third movies had a draft name of Calypsos Furry well Calypso might be his love or Tia might be or be related to Calypso and i think Jones heart is going to be more then then norrington and them bargained for and i think maybe what happened to davy jones will happen to Will like in star wars when grievouse was what anakin would turn in to or vice versa and tia dalma new far to much about davy jones and death. please post on my user talk
yes, good theory, but this isn't star wars, savvy? in humble opinion, i think tia IS calypso.68.196.110.228 20:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Lockets 

message: I was watching Entertainment Tonight the other day (not the most reliable, I know), but they stated that this movie has been the quickest to reach $200 million. (And I didn't mistake 200 for 100) Anyone know if there is any truth to this? Jondy 02:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was indeed the fastest to reach $200 million, as shown  here, and it will likely be the quickest to $300 million as well, since it's already already made $266 in just 11 days (Star Wars III currently holds the record, having made $300 million in 17 days). That site, Box Office Mojo, is a good place to go to to check on the box office status of movies both new and old. --From Andoria with Love 09:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears the box office section needs to be updated once again, and I don't want to do it since I'm not the best with html and such, but it has reached $300 million in 16 days and apparently it's number 64 on the highest grossing movies list with over $445 million. Jondy 18:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I just revised the wiki, because it said it was the highest grossing until Spiderman 3. It didn't say it was the highest grossing FILM, because Halo 2 was, and still is, the highest grossing opening day in entertainment history, with $135 million on opening day. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.100.84.194 (talk) 23:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quickest to $200 Million 

message: I thoght that Barbossa died in the first movie. Can anyone explain this for me?
: Wikipedia is not a forum. Find a forum.  Minglex 21:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There wasn't time to address it in Dead Man's Chest, but presumably this will be answered in the third movie. -- MisterHand 21:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only is he not dead, but not cursed (we see him eating the apple).  The most likely explanation I can see right now is that Tia Dalma found him and was able to magically heal him.  That would explain why he's there in the first place, but why she even did it for him I don't know.
* this is just a theory but i think barbossa was spat out of hell again, sounds dodgy but makes sense. yes, it should explain it in the next movie--JG ROX 11:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Barbossa's back?

message: I know he explained it in the movie, but what, exactly, did Capt. Jack Sparrow wish to do with Davy Jones' heart? I mean, why was he so insistent on preventing Will Turner from killing the heart and Jones? I know he wanted to get rid of his debt with Jones, but wouldn't destroying the heart do that? I'm definitely missing something here... --From Andoria with Love 09:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um... I'm not sure what article you're talking about. I did check out the article on Davy Jones, and that did clarify why Jack wanted the heart – as leverage to exchange the heart for Jack's soul. But, that still leaves the question – why not let Will destroy the heart, since that would release all the souls from their debts? --From Andoria with Love 13:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, nevermind! I see you were referring to an earlier discussion on this talk page. Thanks!!! :)--From Andoria with Love 13:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack's motives 

message: There used to be a whole lot more of them, and all were noteworthy to some degree. Why was this section shortened? ViceroyInterus 16:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References to the First Film 

message: i bought a book on potc and potc 2 and guess what it had a picture of tias locket but not jones but the lockets seem to have a crab and a face on them and the chest with davy jones heart the place where you put the key in looked like a crab and heart and a it labled what the things where in the jars at tias hut and one thing was siren hair possibly relating to calypso and it had a picture of the kraken--Goren of the stone 02:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revealed 

message: There is a bit of disput about this budget. We have the-numbers.com listing it as 150 million, and BOM.com listing it as 225 million. There are several other sites listing it as 225 million, but many list their source as BOM.com. Some have said "the studios finally admitted" but they don't cite an interview or actually name names. It is my proposal that we remove the budget until we can verify what number is correct. I have already sent in an email to the-numbers.com requesting their source, and they are fairly quick with responses (I sent an email yesturday evening providing an interview with Singer for the Superman budget, because their's was off by about 5 million...which they responded this morning and posted the change which I was told would be updated within 24 hours). BOM.com needs to be contacted, I have already asked User:Crumbsucker to request the information, but if he can't someone else may need to. If there are other movie statistic websites that are broadcasting those numbers or any other numbers, if someone would send them an email requesting their sources it would be great. I think statistical data like that should be validated by actual interviews and not hearsay evidence, also the most recent interviews would be best. Interviews while still filming might not be as accurate because you can go over budget (as Superman did). Bignole 15:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Budget 

message: I was wondering whether of not an article on the film series/theme ride would be in order? --SGCommand (talk • contribs) 18:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe so, but this is something that should be revisted as more and more is done with the franchise. At some point, an article may be in order. EVula 21:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pirates of the Caribbean Franchise]] proposal 

message: The following section has been moved to the talk page because it is unreferenced original research: -- MisterHand 15:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More original research: Treasure Island 

message: I love all the new POTC articles that are around, but the info box seems unweildy. Is their any way we can scale it back, at link to  the lesser atricles by a category? I mean, isn't that what a category is for? So do we really need a half foot long infobox? Just seems too big, and if we don't get it first, some deletionist will take it into his/her head to delet all the litle articles. Jack Sparra 20:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Part of the problem was that it was formatted horribly. I took care of that yesterday, which makes it much nicer to look at (not to mention smaller overall). Further discussion should be taken to Template talk:Piratescaribbean, not here. EVula 14:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The bloody info box 

message: The plot should be cleaned up. With this much information about the movie, we shouldn't be detailing the plot scene by scene. It needs to be shortened. Bignole 18:15, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is the plot becoming steadily detailed, when it needs to be shortened? Bignole 13:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not that hard. Donnie Darko is way more complex than Pirates, and it's plot is much shorter. Revenge of the Sith is a featured article, and it's synopsis is half of this page. Bignole 13:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot cleanup 

message: He's in the "See Also" section. WTF? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.63.90.215 (talk • contribs) 
:Nothing, as far as I can tell. I removed it and the Monkey Island note, as I found nothing explicitly tying the two articles to this one. EVula 14:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does Guybrush Threepwood have anything to do with this? 

message: –As a Turkish Cypriot, I haven't seen the movie yet, but all of the newspapers in Turkey claim that the pirates were actually speaking Turkish with Blacksea accent (Blacksea is a region in the northern part of Turkey). Do you guys have any references for the pirates speaking in Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot dialects? Oh one more thing, Turkish Cypriots speak Turkish and Greek Cypriots Greek.--Wikiturk 12:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish Cypriot dialect vs Greek Cypriot dialect 

message: When Davy Jones releases the Kraken for the first time, he utters something that appears to be a biblical verse.
I don't exactly remember it, but I remember that the Hebrew subtitles really reminded me of Job:3:8:
"Let them curse it that curse the day, who are ready to rouse up leviathan."
Is it actually based on the verse, or is it just a little easter egg from the people behind the subtitles?
--Ramsobol 17:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Job:3:8 

message: Why do each of the characters have articles on Wikipedia? They're good movies, don't get me wrong, I don't see the point.
Almost every other fictional character has their own articles. Can't be stuffing everyone's bio in here, now can we? Obsessed 16:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Articles 

message: The website IMDSB has scripts for most major movies, including [one for Dead Man's Chest|http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Pirates-of-the-Caribbean-Dead-Man's-Chest.html] is it violating any rules to put this in external links section? Chad Hennings 10:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking to the script in "External Links" 

message: In Tortuga, Norrington says, "I nearly had you all, off Tripoli. I would have, if not for the... hurricane". Which Tripoli is this? Tripoli links to a Libyan city, though the disambig page mentions the Turkish town Tirebolu was once known by that name. Considering we have a Turkish prison and Turkish dialects in this movie, is it likely that this is the Tripoli Norrington is talking about? - 213.120.158.227 17:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tripoli

message: This passage:
In the first two movies, references were made to Singapore. Modern Singapore was founded in 1819 by Sir Thomas Stamford Raffles as a trading post for the British East India Company. Though an official date for the setting is not given, the movie is most likely set in the 1680s, towards the end of Port Royal's power. However, the island had been already known as Singapura in Malay since the 15th century. (The ancient name was Temasek ("Sea Town" in Javanese), which was later changed to Singapura ("Lion City" in Malay) around the 15th century.) Also, the large world map in the governor's office shows Australia, the existence of which was not confirmed until Captain James Cook's voyage in 1770.
seems to contain a bit of speculation. Given that Port Royal was a naval base long after 1680 it seems to me more likely that the movies take place sometime around  the late 1700's given the technology of the time and the types of weapons being used. Aadditional evidence giving credence to that is the King's signature on the letters of marque. It is "George R." meaning George Rex or King George. This is either King George II or George III which puts the movie well into the 18th century.—BassBone (my talk · my contributions) 01:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time Period of PotC 

message: The first movie had a tag line listed in its article, does this one have a tag line?
64.89.254.158 20:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagline 

message: not a member, but i noticed that Davy Jones and the African woman that Sparrow meets each have a locket thingy with the same design. I saw the woman's when Jack steals it from her, and Davy Jones' when the chest's key is being stolen. This must mean something big.
oh, you think? (for the record, that WAS just me being sarcastic)67.85.156.212 21:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  plot hint 

message: I took the Clean-up tag off the Plot section, mainly because I edited that plot description awhile ago. I think it's been shortened even more since I last changed it, and it's no longer the seventeen-paragraph listing it was before. It's been cleaned-up. Nqnpipnr 16:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot Cleanup Tag Removed

message: I've trimmed the trivia section of fanish notes, there really isn't a lot of encyclopedic content in it. What is left would far better serve a "Production" or "Development" section, as "trivia" sections are generally discouraged. Bignole 15:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: The Elizabeth article mentions her similarity to Princess Leia. Isn't it worth mentioning in the trivia section the inumerable Star Wars references littered throughout Dead Man's Chest?
For example:
*The way Will is captured and strung up by the Pelegostos' trap is similar to the way Luke was imprisoned in the Wampa in Empire Strikes Back. This time the sword did not save Will as it did Luke.
*The manner in which Will is carried to the Pelegostos' camp is the same way Han Solo was carried to the Ewok's village in Return of the Jedi.
*That Jack is worshipped as a deity by the Pelegostos and made chief is not unlike the Ewok's worship and obediance to C-3PO in Return of the Jedi.
*The bone cages Will and the Pearl's crew are trapped in resemble the Chewbacca-sprung Ewok trap in Return of the Jedi. Their spherical shape is reminiscent of the Death Star as well.
*The Pelegostos are about to eat the protagonists of the story as the Ewoks were going to in Return of the Jedi.
*Jack attempts to blow out his roasting fire as Han Solo tried to blow out the Ewok's torches in Return of the Jedi. 
*Jack owes a debt to Davy Jones as Han Solo owed a debt to Jabba the Hut. Both seemingly pay the ultimate price in the second installment of their repsective trilogies. Both are rescued by their friends in the following movie.
*The Pearl initially avoids the inescapable tentacles of the Kraken by running aground. The Millenium Falcon avoids the inescapable tractor beams of Star Desroyers by running into an asteroid field in Empire Strikes Back.
*Will dips his sword in oil and strikes a lamp to create the closest thing to a lightsaber available, a flaming sword.
*Jack is betrayed by Barbossa as Obi-Wan was by Anakin.
*Pirates=Rebels.
*In Curse of the Black Pearl, the British Empire=Galactic Empire.
*In Dead Man's Chest, East India Trading Company=Galactic Empire.
*Tortuga is an anologue of Mos Eisley.
*Barbossa is betrayed by Jack as the Emperor was by Anakin.
*The Kraken's tentacles and teeth are similar to the Sarlacc's. Both exist in seas.
**Due to the sheer volume of examples, it would be cumbersome to list the rest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.139.8 (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star Wars References 

message: Pintel says "Ello Poppet" to Elizabeth as he did in the first film. 
I checked out the subtitles to the film and it says, "Hello, Poppet." --207.69.137.38 19:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Movie subtitles should not be considered a reliable source because they do not accurately reflect film dialogue, nor are they meant to. They are edited to make reading them faster and more understandable for the viewer. Also, considering Pintel is lower-class British, he probably uses cockney slang and drops his "h"s. It sounded like he said "Ello, Poppet," to me.Huskydawg 16:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poppet 

message: I was wondering if it was worth mention in the trivia section that Keira and Tom's previous project together was Pride and Prejudice. -- Annie D 07:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's appeared in a film with Billy Nighy before, too. He's probably worked with lots of the actors in the film. I don't really think it's worth mentioning. Amo 14:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say it's definitely NOT worth mentioning. These British actors often work together in other films, and it's hardly noteworthy. The actors from Harry Potter are a good example as many of them have been in numerous films together.PNW Raven 23:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keira Knightley and Tom Hollander 

message: Some St. Lucia web sites claim that the Brig Unicorn ship was used in both 1 and 2, can this be confirmed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.129.146.250 (talk) 20:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brig Unicorn - Pirate Ship 

message: This section is so pointless. Of course there are going to be similarities between films of the same franchise, theres no need to list them all. we could make a small paragraph about repetition of motifs but all franchises do it, Back to the Future has heaps but they dont need to list them. Ive tried narrowing down the list but i think that it would be better to just remove the section all together and write a paragraph about its use of repetition. any thoughts? Paradox CT 04:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Currently it's nothing more than original research. If we can't find reliable sources that point to these references, then we can't even mention it.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 05:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References to the first film section 

message: Does anyone know the budget for the film? - Throw 09:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've read different things, but nothing supported by reliability (i.e. from the filmakers). Boxofficemojo still reports 225 million, but they've been reporting that since before they ever filmed the two films. Their source was an article that that was written before filming began that said that the films would cost 450 million, so they just divided that in two. The problem with that logic is that films generally don't just hit their budget right on the nose, they can go over budget, or not spend it all. Secondly, that would make Pirates the most expensive film so far, and I have not read any report about expensive films that put them at the top. Also, since BOM.com still lists Superman Return's production budget at 270 million, even when I've supplied them with an interview with Singer that says otherwise, I don't particularly trust their "research" methods. The-numbers.com has 150 million, but I've talked to that guy and he says he thinks he's a little short, but that 225 mill is too high. I did read one place that said 200 mill was the budget.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 12:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Budget?

message: The link for "East India Trading Company" goes to an article on a trading company in Asia. Somehow that doesn't seem quite right. I remember there used to be a list of different trading companies, which listed the correct one, but it seems that the article that's there now is now the only one on Wikipedia. 75.165.1.152 01:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong link