Talk:Sin

message: Sin is to the best of my knowledge, a distinctly abrahamic conceptualization of wrongdoing that speaks to concepts of trespass, and debt, and uncleanliness. As far as I can tell, this article has a few religion's concept of sin, with the Abrahamic ones so described and the non-Abrahamic ones notes as "this religion doesn't not have a doctrine of sin."
So why are they even in this article, and why does the article imply that sin is a generic term?--Tznkai (talk) 02:12, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Its a good question. A possible answer is that ideas about the divine don't belong to any one religion or group of religions - in a universalist worldview, ideas about the divine belong to everyone. Ostensibly there is some thought that sin is an aspect touched on by other religions, which I agree doesn't appear to necessarily be true. -Stevertigo (t | c) 22:31, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A modest proposal 

message: This article needs to be fixed, but cannot be fixed until we decide whether we want to write about sin, the abrahamic concept, or a general notion of religious offense. I am O.K. with either, but as it stands, the article contradicts itself in several ways. My understanding of comparative religion literature is that both are defensible, but I don't know which is more current. Anyone out there with some information or a paper?--Tznkai (talk) 06:14, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major revisions needed 

message: Just a reminder that the Talk page is for discussion of the article, not a forum for a discussion of the nature of sin. Revanneosl (talk) 11:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's your opinion. DeguJohn (talk) 14:08, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, that's policy. - SummerPhD (talk) 01:18, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a forum  

message: One concept of sin deals with things that exist on Earth, but not in Heaven. Food, for example, while a necessary good for the (health of the temporal) body, is not of (eternal) transcendental living and therefore its excessive savoring is considered a sin.[7
--78.156.109.166 (talk) 20:15, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is written twice. 

message: I have placed the tag above because of the article's Christian bias. Christianity is covered about two times more than other religions, and I had to remove three paragraphs of Christian-only viewpoints on sin + a sentence saying that "sin, especially in Christianity, is violating God's will". Esquivalience (alt) (talk) 15:02, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tlx|POV}} tag 

message: Sin is definitely a religious concept. As someone mentioned, it is an Abrahamic concept. There are equivalents in other religions but I think it is unfair to apply the word to other religions. Thus, I propose to write a historical paragraph on the word itself. Then proceed with the meaning, as in the original conception. Then see equivalent concepts in other religions. The issue of morality will come up; thus establish a relationship to morality (Great article already available). The issue of man being naturally good or naturally evil will also arise. We might end up making a concept tree. I would like to hear suggestions and based on them, I can start making the changes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.74.242.104 (talk) 23:22, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morality, sin, corruption, etc 

message: According to the article itself, the English word "sin" in it's sense of a religious transgression developed entirely in the context of English Christians translating the Bible. In my opinion, this makes the word refer solely to the Christian concept -- all the other religions mentioned in this article certainly have the similar concepts as described, but in my opinion, none of them are actually covered by the English word "sin". To me, this makes this entire article a huge violation of OR and / or SYN. But that's just my $0.02USD. Eaglizard (talk) 21:06, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sin is solely a Christian concept 

message: SethAF (talk) 05:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Its arranged alphabetically.  I don't think it should be rearranged.  --GHcool (talk) 18:45, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rearrange Contents 

message: I would like to suggest that this page begin reorganization so that it is not a sparse overview of different religions stances on immorality or sin.  I think a strong indicator that this page should narrow its focus to sin in the Abrahamic religions is the fact that it is the Abrahamic religions that have the most substantive citations.  As several have suggested before, sin is an Abrahamic concept.  Rightly so, however, there has been debate as to this, but without substantive citations to match the weight of those in the Abrahamic religions, the categories and their contents are left imbalanced and divergent.
To begin correcting this, I will be looking into how to coordinate this article with the feeder articles to see what content should remain on the page and what should be cut. On a separate note, I think one way this page could begin to incorporate more authoritative, secondary sources would be to add a section on controversies that come with the term itself.  Of course, I would very much appreciate any and all input to these ideas so that we can begin to clean this page up! :) 
Sandbox draft to come. Mattt1235 (talk) 08:04, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the sandbox draft that I put together if anyone would be willing to take a look.  [] You will find that I did not remove the Bahá'í section or the Buddhism section and that is because the two have their own articles to link out to.  I think this is a good enough reason to keep the sections because the sin page could be used to condense the information on the referenced articles' most pertinent information.  The Jainism and Hinduism, however, did not have respective articles to link out to and were also without citations entirely.  For this reason I removed them.  Take a look if you could, I'd appreciate it. :) Mattt1235 (talk) 19:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks fine to me.  --GHcool (talk) 17:47, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Appreciate it! I'll begin incorporating some of the changes now.  If anyone sees any problems with these edits, hopefully we can discuss them here. Mattt1235 (talk) 20:47, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narrowing the focus 

message: Talk about it 197.215.23.66 (talk) 07:27, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sin 

message: === The Ten Commandments ===
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=== Cardinal sins ===
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=== Other mentions ===
Many verses in the Holy Bible refer to sins in diverse ways. However, the validity of these is often disputed. ...
==== Disobedience ====
Disobedience is a sin of the Bible as stated in various texts. Most often, it is in reference to submission under parental or spiritual authority, as mentioned in 1 Timothy 1:9-10 and Romans 13:2, respectively. ... There are multiple exemplifications of disobedience in the Bible, including the story of original sin. Genesis chapters 2 and 3 recount the story of Adam and Eve and the first sin to be committed. In chapter 2, God lays out certain guidelines for their behavior in the Garden, explicitly warning them against consuming the fruit of the tree of knowledge, stating that doing so would lead to death (Genesis 2:15). ...
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— Urro[talk][edits] ⋮  18:19, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  List 

message: Many verses in the Holy Bible refer to sins in diverse ways. However, the validity of these is often disputed. ...
==== Disobedience ====
Disobedience is a sin of the Bible as stated in various texts. Most often, it is in reference to submission under parental or spiritual authority, as mentioned in 1 Timothy 1:9-10 and Romans 13:2, respectively. ... There are multiple exemplifications of disobedience in the Bible, including the story of original sin. Genesis chapters 2 and 3 recount the story of Adam and Eve and the first sin to be committed. In chapter 2, God lays out certain guidelines for their behavior in the Garden, explicitly warning them against consuming the fruit of the tree of knowledge, stating that doing so would lead to death (Genesis 2:15). ...
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— Urro[talk][edits] ⋮  18:19, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other mentions 

message: Disobedience is a sin of the Bible as stated in various texts. Most often, it is in reference to submission under parental or spiritual authority, as mentioned in 1 Timothy 1:9-10 and Romans 13:2, respectively. ... There are multiple exemplifications of disobedience in the Bible, including the story of original sin. Genesis chapters 2 and 3 recount the story of Adam and Eve and the first sin to be committed. In chapter 2, God lays out certain guidelines for their behavior in the Garden, explicitly warning them against consuming the fruit of the tree of knowledge, stating that doing so would lead to death (Genesis 2:15). ...
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— Urro[talk][edits] ⋮  18:19, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disobedience