Talk:Electric fence

message: Twain's Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court (1889) features an electrified fence (used to defend a stronghold).  Is this at all relevant?  Was the concept or application around before this?
16:03, 25 Oct 2005
:gentleman by the name of william christie developed the first electric fence which became known as the Speedrite company of new zealand Gauge4 (talk) 12:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mark Twain

message: Our list of links is growing ...possibly too long. I was thinking of cutting back on the latest additions which do not appear to bring anything to the article ...specifically they do not show any new angle or extra topics...just plain "this is a commercial site".
Thoughts?
Collieman 16:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: What is the power consumption to electrify a fence?--Poodleboy 08:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure on exact figures but fairly small strip-grazing units (say < 200 m of fence) can be run from a car battery for a few weeks at a time. Lisiate 00:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I noticed the consumption on one AC one was 6 watts. each pulse was about 6 Joules. Polypipe Wrangler (talk) 06:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That can't be the consumption of the fencer itself, but other parts of the AC unit – presumably its AC-to-DC transformer. The fencer itself must have a very much lower power demand than that. If I've got my sums right, 6 W would exhaust a fully charged 40Ah car battery in about three days; to run for 50 days a fencer must use under 0.5 W; I think 100 days would be more like it, making the consumption around 0.2 W. Richard New Forest (talk) 09:46, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Richard.  Whatever he says -- in part because I don't have a clue. Either the little red light on my tester works or it doesn't. Montanabw(talk) 22:53, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power consumption? 

message: Have added a few images on wiki commons courtesy of [APS perimeter security]. But there are a lot more areas we could cover with images, detailed pictures of equipment and installation etc. Anyone interested in helping? Please just add to the commons page,Collieman 10:21, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki commons

message: The article currently notes "the possibility of actually getting a shock from urinating on the standard electric fence is close to zero."  The editor who added this cites this Snopes article, but sadly misunderstands it. The Snopes article debunks a picture of a horrific injury that is attributed to an electric fence.  An electric fence did not cause that injury; but it would still hurt! Urine, like most any common solution of water, is an electrolyte -- it would indeed conduct electricity.  I'm going to remove the suggestion that peeing on an electric fence would be harmless. FWIW, I've been zapped by several electric fences in my time, though never in that particular way. --Robertb-dc 19:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have electric fence on my property. While I can't say anyone I know has even tried this, as Snopes.com states, the possibility of being zapped in "that" particular way is probably slim to none.  It's a urban legend. (Or perhaps a rural legend). Find me ONE actual example of this happning, verifiable, and I shall reconsider. In the meantime, it's probably just as well out of the article altogether. Montanabw 21:33, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This has been tested out in a number of experiments on popular science shows e.g. National Geographic Channel. Jetsetpainter (talk) 14:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Find a verifiable source that isn't an urban legend or original research. Actually, given the situation, definitely DO NOT conduct original research.  (Pun intended...)  =:-O  Montanabw(talk) 15:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peeing on electric fence Considered Harmful 

message: This wire does not carry current. A transmitter sends out a radio signal. The shock is applied via battery in the collar if it is near enough to the wire to pick up the signal. I don't think this belongs in this article. "The transmitter plugs into a standard electrical outlet. It emits a radio signal that travels through the installed underground wire. Therefore a transmitter can accommodate as many pets as you have collars." http://home.howstuffworks.com/pet-fence3.htmJaswv5 19:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So fix it. Montanabw(talk) 23:55, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  unrelated/incorrect information 

message: My fence tester has a maximum on the scale of 50 or 60 kv, my fence has never come even close, usually more like 20 or 30 KV but it's all synthetic, the climate is very dry and I only have one grounding rod on it. Wimpy, but still (inadvertently) gave the neighbor kid a good zap, though,  =:-O  and both the permanent and rotational sections do their job keeping the critters in. Montanabw(talk) 00:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My tester has a very different scale – from one to only six kV.  I wonder if it's measuring the same thing?  Our fences usually give about 5,000 V (or less on a very long fence, in dry weather, or with a poor earth). But is the tester testing an actual "jolt", or the unearthed voltage? My tester has to be earthed, so I suspect it's measuring a jolt.  --Richard New Forest (talk) 10:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I've seen both kinds, one seems to use volts, one type KV.  But what I have has to be grounded, too. This reminds me, better check the fence, haven't in a bit. Will take a closer look at the tester, you know how one doesn't really pay attention to these things. Montanabw(talk) 17:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How big a zap? 

message: Where is it? any one got any details on these?--TreeSmiler (talk) 22:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voltage and curent info 

message: Of all the given examples of lethal electric fences, all but three have no references or cites given. One of the cites is to a quarter-century old off-line newspaper that I cannot access; however, our linked article on the inner German border discusses the same fence using the same reference, and no-where claims the fence current was potentially lethal (despite elsewhere mentioning landmines etc.) Worse, of the other two cites, both fail verification. Both the linked articles do indeed discuss an electric fence; in neither case is any specific claim made about its potentially lethality.
When I google for references myself, everything I find is either chatty anecdotal stuff, or refers to the recently popular installation of lethal electric fences in US prisons (and to the fact that prisoners have discovered they are no harder to breach than a non-lethal fence.) I'd never actually considered this before, but it has now occurred to me that a lethal electric fence is just not a good idea, quite apart from ethical considerations. It would be far more difficult and expensive to manage, and yet is not actually any more secure than a nonlethal one. -- Securiger (talk) 03:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like one should be able to find sources for lethality at the concentration camps in Nazi Germany (Seems like I recall hearing/seeing similar info when I toured the holocaust museum myself, but it was several years ago), as for the rest, you are probably correct, particularly on prisons in the western world. But, particularly for the Iron Curtain and N. Korea, maybe find a source for sure saying they are not. Just go find footnotes one way or the other. I don't really have an oar to put in on this section (I edit on the animal fencing bits), but from other articles, all I can say is footnote, footnote, footnote. Good footnotes seem to end most disputes, LOL! Montanabw(talk) 07:00, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lethal electric fences  

message: There must be more to the history - Google Books shows a couple of electric fence companies being announced in "Eletrical World" in the 1890's. --Wtshymanski (talk) 20:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably, looks like you are on it, have fun with the research!  :-D  Montanabw(talk) 22:20, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  We have reached the limits of what rectal probing Google Books can teach us.--Wtshymanski (talk) 00:37, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: Before the man hunt, the so-called "Mühlviertler_Hasenjagd", happened in cold February 1945, some 500 prisoners of the concentration camp Mauthausen, Austria have attempted to escape via the electric fence of the camp. To short-cut (and buffer?) the electric (barbed?) wires they used wet blankets and bits of clothing. 419 managed to get out of the camp, but only 11 of them are known to have survived until the end of World War II three months later, hidden or at least supported by resistant humans. (Sources: the cited en.wp-article and a local "political wandering tour" with Peter Kammerstätter (e.g. named in http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Skrabal) in the 1980s) --Helium4 (talk) 13:55, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Escape of 400+ men over an electric fence in 1945 

message: Electrified palisade fences is an orphan with content that could usefully be merged here. --Wtshymanski (talk) 21:01, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I oppose a merge per WP:UNDUE due to the length of the other article. My view is that it's probably unique enough to be its own article, maybe a link here to de-orphan it. I popped some proposed language into the article. Montanabw(talk) 23:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

text: Well, it's only about 1200 bytes more of unique content, and I don't think it gives undue weight. --Wtshymanski (talk) 20:32, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The merge does seem OK, maybe format that one image so it doesn't create so much white space. Montanabw(talk) 00:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I really think the palisades material is a good addition to this article, and gives the palisades material some context. I tried moving the picture and shrinking it...it looks OK on Firefox on my netbook, but my Wiki-fu is not great when it comes to eliminate white spaces. How does it look? --01:30, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: OK on my laptop with Safari! Thanks! Montanabw(talk) 20:52, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Hi, I have a question and would like to know an opinion about it. I have added an abbreviation EZOH to the article and a reference to Czech government institution - the Archive of State security which is a very authoritative and important institution. My change was reverted without any reason and then I had a very strange conversation with the reverter who told me he doesn't like Czech language in this document. Frankly I do not understand this reason - anyone can use the Google translator or order a translation to English so why to remove this valuable link?
* So the link. It describes how the lethal fence EZOH was deployed in communist Czechoslovakia.
* Victims killed by the EZOH-fence.. Also a link to the government institution.
Do we need this references in the article? Thank you for your answer. Doronenko (talk) 13:26, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say that. I said that your edit was incomprehensible, which it was. Without any context, your version looks like someone inserted some random letters in the middle of the sentence. - MrOllie (talk) 13:46, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czechoslovak lethal electric fence EZOH 

message: Insufficiently distinct to support a separate article. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:47, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Support - merging with this article would strengthen the presentation for both. --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:54, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Klbrain (talk) 04:41, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge of [[Electrified palisade fences]] 

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