Talk:Varoujan Garabedian

message: Artaxiad, before you revert the page, you shall discuss your changes and provide an explanation why relevant referenced information is just being removed. Garabedian was one of the leaders of ASALA, and came to prominence carrying out attacks on behalf of this organizations. So, you should not be removing this material. Atabek 09:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because its referenced doesn't mean it stays, I checked the references there irrelevant no mention of Varoujan what so ever that was my purpose for the removal, thanks. Please check them yourself or at least clarify or else it counts as original research, because they don't mention him, also not reliable sources. Artaxiad 16:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The references provided only state that ASALA was considered as terrorist organization by US State Department, which is absolutely relevant. It only adds to well-sourced information in the article. Garabedian was one of the main leaders of ASALA, in fact, he was even suspected of being Hagop Hagopian, whose claimed murder in Athens remained in controversy. Garabedian would not be known otherwise if he wasn't a functionary and executor of ASALA's agenda. Atabek 08:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected with minor edit the title of category Armenian Terrorism. The article should refer to that, while category is still there. Atabek 18:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing evidence

message: Moving anti-Turkism to Turcophobia category. Also, the person was convicted and served sentence for a terrorist attack, no need to remove terrorist category here. Atabek 06:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source that says he is a convicted terrorist? I'm removing the terrorist category until you provide sources.VartanM 07:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would not hurt if you once read the references on the page before reverting them. Second reference to Agence France Presse article, starts with: "Le terroriste arménien, Varoujan Garbidjian...". Atabek 07:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is english wikipedia and I don't speak french. Secondly netarmenie can call John Smith(random name) terrorist. it doesn't mean he is one. I'll rephrase my question, Do you have reliable sources that confirm he was sentenced for terrorism? If no the category should be removed. VartanM 07:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Vartan, the fact that you don't speak French, and I do, does not justify your attempt to disqualify the reference from international news agency, and especially the one like AFP. If you can't speak French, well, grab a French English dictionary and translate "Le terroriste arménien" into English. I doubt you even need dictionary for that. Regarding your confusion, "Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts". The person in question was caught and convicted with a bomb attack which killed 8 individuals at Orly airport, and killing civilians is most definitely a harmful act. My honest opinion, don't waste your time. Garabedian was caught, convicted and served sentence for his terrorist attack. Rather try to concentrate on other articles, where you can make a constructive contribution. Atabek 07:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Grandmaster your reply is nothing more than original research. VartanM 07:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Vartanm, seems like you are disregarding references, edit warring and POV pushing regardless of our attempts to discuss edits, which actually don't need any discussion since those are referenced facts. Well, if I were you, I would follow the advise Augustgrahl recently gave you, as you're firmly on the path to ArbCom with this kind of editing behavior. Atabek 07:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Atabek, if I were you, instead of reading other peoples talkpages, I would be looking for a reliable source to confirm my claim, because only one here pushing POV is you. VartanM 08:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are references from Agence France Presse and Radio Free Europe to prove the point that the man has committed, was charged with and convicted with terrorist attacks. So category terrorism quite naturally fits here. Atabek 21:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide a source that says he was convicted as a terrorist. VartanM 23:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am providing it again as was done already numerously above : "Le terroriste arménien, Varoujan Garbidjian..." (Agence France Presse, 4/24/2001). Further attempts to remove edits, supported by credible evidence, will result in request made for arbitration or dispute resolution. Perhaps a third party, can also help you translate the word "la terroriste arménien" into English to finally come to understanding why the category terrorism is appropriate on this page. Thanks. Atabek 19:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A news article from a french-armenian web portal Net-Armenie.com, is that the best you could find?. Can I ask you couple of questions? Do you consider  reliable? Can I use netarmenie.com in other articles as a source? --VartanM 19:39, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The news source is Agence France Presse, which is a world-known news agency. NetArmenie is only on whose website the news appears. But I guess you're determined to engage in stubborn revert warring, very unfortunate for you. It's pointless for you to remove this category. There is nothing wrong with categorizing a person as a terrorist, when he was, in fact, convicted and served sentence for killing handful of people in a terrorist attack, and was a member of terrorist organization. And it's very sad that some cannot move beyond bigotted positions to recognize the facts or gain some credibility in their stance. ASALA failed for the same reason. Atabek 21:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Atabek I think you are unaware of Wikipedia:No_original_research and Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons policies. You have no argument here, you're only talking about your beliefs about ASALA and its actions. You need to provide reliable sources that say that Varoujan Garabedian was convicted and served time as a terrorist. Because if Government of France couldn't prove that he was in fact a terrorst, you're gonna have a very hard time proving that by yourself. VartanM 03:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't see what's OR about indicating Agence France Presse referenced material. It's a French news agency. Also, I don't know why you keep removing references to U.S. State Department. True ASALA is now defunct organization, but it didn't change its nature at the time when it was functional neither does this change the truth about U.S. State Departments qualification of it. Atabek 06:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Your source is not from AFP its from netarmenie.com and if you think that netarmenie.com is a reliable source, I will gladly use it in many other articles. Secondly the reference that was removed takes me to U.S Navy site, and your claim is U.S State Department. Department of Defense and State Department are two different branches of the US government. VartanM 09:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What's wrong with U.S. Navy site referencing U.S. Department of State and NetArmenie referencing Agence France Presse? Are you to claim here that either U.S. Navy or NetArmenia were lying about original sources? Atabek 17:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Category edits

message: Vartanm, please, stop playing with references, removing or adding them. Your removal and purturbation (title changing) of originally sourced information from the article is essentially an attempt to misrepresent information. This article needs new sources, not removal of the existing ones.Atabek 18:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Atabek, the refrence comes from NPS.edu. I only corrected the title. It is you whos misrepresenting the sources. As for NetArmenie.com The source is not reliable and is not third party. If you have a direct source from Patterns of Global Terrorism you are more than welcome to replace the exsiting one. If not the source should be named correctly. --VartanM 19:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Atabek, You do understand that NetArmenie.com is not a reliable third party source right? WP:BLP clearly states 
Material about living persons must be sourced very carefully. Without reliable third-party sources, a biography will violate the No original research and Verifiability policies, and could lead to libel claims.
Material available solely on partisan websites or in obscure newspapers should be handled with caution, and, if derogatory, should not be used at all. ''
AFP on other hand is third-party and reliable. So a direct reference to the original source is more appropriate. I am removing the netArmenie.com  refrence per WP:BLP VartanM 01:22, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference toying

message: Andranik, do you have a reference that he was from a family of refugees from Armenian Genocide? If yes please added to the article. --VartanM 15:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed "(not proven)" extra, as it's not what appears in the source and obviously Garabedian was found guilty, thus served the prison term. Atabek 03:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed the person, who was found guilty and sentenced for mass killing civilians just for their Turkish identity, is clearly anti-Turk. There is no reason to remove this category. Atabek 21:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide a source, that says he carried out the attack because of his anti-Turkish views. Anything short of that is called OR. VartanM 21:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Armenian Genocide

message: All,—
There is currently a request for Arbitration enforcement relating to this article outstanding. In the course of processing it, it will probably be necessary for me to consider issuing warnings—or possibly editor sanctions, per the Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 Arbitration case—to any editors posing a problematic influence on this, or peripheral, articles.
I'd therefore invite editors with constructive, germane input to provide it on that thread (direct link). I'm also privately contactable, via this page.
Thanks,
AGK 18:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've now processed and closed the arbitration enforcement thread. My thanks go to those users that did offer some insight. Regards, AGK 21:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Investigating editor conduct on this article; input solicited. 

message: It says "He was born in 1954 in Kamishli, Syria, into a family of Armenian refugees from the Armenian Genocide."
Turks have been saying this is an exile not genocide, how do you born to a family if your family was a genocide victim and killed? This is ridiculous.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.146.91.145 (talk) 01:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki lies 

message: I removed the links because Orly attack is already linked in the article and Safarov is not related to Garabedian. George Spurlin (talk) 09:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also 

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