Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 39

message: Please visit Template talk:Welcome#Comma business (see poll) and weigh in on a comma placement issue on an important template. DES (talk) 19:22, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  comma issue on the welcome template 

message: Is there a Wikipedia policy regading the format of numbers over 10000? namely, should we write "10,000" (common usage, it seems) or "10 000" (SI standard, I believe)?  Thanks, Jorge Stolfi 20:50, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Numbers (which is quite a bit disputed) −Woodstone 21:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Commas in numbers

message: There seems to be widely varied usage for the capitalization of titles written in languages that do not capitalize all words in them.  For example, the poem Orlando Furioso is capitalized as it would be in English, whereas the opera Orlando furioso (Vivaldi) is capitalized as it would be in Italian.  This has also come up for some organizations and so on.  I cannot find an entry in the manual of style that seems relevant.  Suggestions?  Chick Bowen 00:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? I had no idea that was a rule in English? - Marshman 03:56, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what they taught me in English class.  User:Zoe|(talk) 23:05, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Surely you aren’t suggesting we write: “The German title of Mozart’s KV525 is Eine Kleine Nachtmusik”. Or are you? (Kleine is not capitalised in German.) Arbor 10:01, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: If you try to capitalize the f in Académie française, the Académie française will hunt you down and guillotine you.  That's what they taught me in French class. Joestynes 09:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: --William Allen Simpson 18:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: No, when a page title is also the title of a work, we, by convention, capitalize it the same as the work.  That's what we're discussing.  User:Zoe|(talk) 19:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization of titles in foreign languages 

message: Note that italicizing text can make it harder for people with visual or cognitive disabilities to read 
:Is this really a rule?  I think this is counter-productive.  Someone with a serious problem reading italic text would just turn off italic rendering in their browser or render text in  tags with bold or something.  That's not our responsibility.  We should keep the extra formatting information/javascript/special characters/semantic information in the source code, and if people want to turn it off or display it differently on their end, they can.  Isn't that the way the internet works?
:We don't say "write everything in a very large font so that people with poor eyesight can read it".  They just view everything in a very large font. 
:I think this sentence should be removed.  That's something for Wikipedia:Accessibility to worry about, not the Manual of Style. — Omegatron 21:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree. PizzaMargherita 23:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur.  --Coolcaesar 01:33, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.   Neonumbers 10:31, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. Martin 10:40, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Gone. PizzaMargherita 13:31, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italics and visual disabilities 

message: When I type here, a capital "I" (eye) and a lower-case "l" (el) look, appropriately, quite different.  But on any Wik page I've ever seen (I've seen Wik on many machines, but not where I have authority to change appearances), they look indistinguishable.  At times this is confusing.  Can something be done to correct this?
:Nearly every sans serif font has this confusion (whereas serif fonts usually don't). But since we're not about to add serifs to everything, I don't see any practical way around this potential confusion. In practice in English writing I don't think it's much of an issue, as it's usually obvious from context which it is. If it is unclear in a particular context, you can clarify with a parenthetical remark or possibly use of \ell (\ell). Deco 22:09, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Distinguishing l and I