Talk:Priesthood (Mormonism)/Archive

message: "(3) the patriarchal priesthood, an obscure and controversial order of priesthood mentioned by Joseph Smith, Jr., but about which he provided little information."
I've never heard of this. Where did you get this information?
—Noldoaran (Talk) 19:48, Feb 1, 2004 (UTC)
:This is from several sources, including Quinn, Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power. Smith's obscure teachings on the subject are a big deal among fundamentalist Mormon groups. There is a source in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith where Smith lists three "orders" of priesthood. In other contexts, the "patriarchal" order has also been called the "Abrahamic Priesthood". I intend to include some more material about this eventually. COGDEN 01:02, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  patriarchal priesthood 

message: :It is hard for me to figure out how to depict this. Although Bishps are "called" by the First Presidency, in practice when I was young they were interviewed and selected by the visiting General Authority, and now, selected by the Stake President with approval from the First Presidency. Sorry for confusing you - I was not following a general rule (as below from memory) but more following "the practical observations of Trodel" rule. So although Bishops are "called" by the First presidency I put them in Green from Stake President since that is their "Priesthood Leader", same for EQ Pres. 
	Calling   	Recommends     	Approves        	Issues Call    	Sets Apart
	Bishop    	Stake President	First Presidency	Stake President	Stake President
	Counselors	Bishop         	Stake President 	dont remember  	Stake President or counselor
	EQ Pres   	Bishop         	Stake President 	Stake President	Stake President
	etc       	               	                	               	
	          	               	                	               	
:Well, anyway, I made the lines basically who interviews and "calls" and then tried to indicate that some callings are approved by the 1st Presidency. 
:I understand how the twelve/70 relationship works but how to depict it is the question I have - especially because the topology is 2-D and space is limited. I thought about an Oval around them (like the Stake, mission boxes) off to the left of the Twelve like I did for high council, but it looked a little strange with the presidency and the 6 quorums off to the side. I'll see if I can get it to look less awkward - the structure is so flat compared to most large organizations. Any other thoughts before I start work on it later tonight woudl be appreciated Trödel|talk 23:12, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree that the above chart is not doctrinally sound - it is not part of the "principles" revealed in the D&C, it is, however, detail that guides local leaders in how they fulfill there duty, and, which, IMHO, details the policies of the church under the specific direction of the Twelve and the First Presidency and reflects the current understanding, if not revelation, of the way that the church should be administered - similar to General Conference in authority. Trödel|talk 23:36, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chart of Callings 

message: Lastly, due to the "Latter Day Saint (not CoJCoLDS) slant to these pages, we'll need to add in the Aaronic priesthood quorum leadership. In other denominations, these play a much bigger role, and typically the culture in the CoJCoLDS does not give them the respect they should get (mainly because of age). The Teacher's quorum president, not an elder, would preside over a ward meeting in absence of a bishop, EQP or delegated responsibility to a HP. He holds keys and as such is in the hierarchy, and will play a much larger role in the winding up scene than most Mormons believe (think big meeting with people who hold keys). But in practice instruggling areas (for example, Russia) the Aaronic Priesthood may take a much more prominent role in the leadership of a Branch than in the established places like the United States.  -Visorstuff 22:04, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keys