Talk:Prussian Blue (duo)/Archive 2

message: Someone, admin, perhaps, i dont know who does this. please remove reference to sam weaver as a "neo-nazi activist."  Sam weaver was 14 years old when he died.  He lived in an isolated cabin in idaho.  He never marched in a neo nazi parade.  He is not on record as making any kinds of racist statements.  There is no proof of any kind that he was ever an activist or a neo nazi.  I dont know how this works, like do we need to have a vote or something to get that line removed.  It is factually incorrect.  I would just fix it but the article is protected.
--Henrybaker 02:56, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, the sentence does come out inaccurate. I don't have have any experience with protected pages, but I don't think the contents are going to be editable again until it is finally unprotected, which may take awhile (even a week), due to excessive vandalism and disagreements. When its back up again, and if someone doesn't change it, I'll be sure to make the edit (if it isn't held up too long, and I remember). Shadowolf 03:34, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sam Weaver 

message: These 2 kids deserve an entry for all reasons imaginable but their music talent, which, after a careful (and patient) audition of their debut "Fragments of the future", turned out to be close to none.
Nevertheless, all this media fuss around their white supremecist jerbbish makes them enough noticeable and widely known, even among non-racist audienmces outside the US (my case).
It's true they are being used as a useful forefront by neonazi organizations to endoctrinate younger generations and, above all, to get visibility.
The article shall remain also as a case study in pedagogical conditioning, since all evidence i have gathered so far portrays an overwhelming influence of their mother, as if they have been carefully sculpted to voice the nonsenses we are all familiar with.
:A personal review of their musical abilities is original research. Please sign your posts with four tildes, thanks. Wyss 12:46, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  poor music quality 

message: From a previous version of this article I found a transcript of the interview (can't find it now), and it seemed to me that this line about there not having been that many Jews in existence was just something that one of the girls had said in response to a question she wasn't really prepared for. The article makes it sound like a fixed and well-examined opinion of both girls; I don't see any evidence for that. Possibly someone can find a clearer wording than the current one.
As for informing the reader that there really were that many Jews in existence, this seems unnecessary to me. Most of us know that, and few expect thirteen-year-olds to be reliable sources for 1939 demographic information from Central Europe. --Trovatore 18:16, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree informing the reader of it is awkward but the way it's written it implies as if their reasoning is actually a fairly solid, accurate fact.  Perhaps something like "...subscribing to the theory that there were not that many Jews in existence..." would do.  --Jamieli 19:11, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: one could even support saying the discredited assertion that there were not that many Jews in existence. Wyss 19:19, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Both of those formulations imply that this is something they "subscribe" to, which is the point to which I was objecting. I don't think that's clear at all, from one brief response to an interviewer's question. They're not David Irving; they're thirteen. If they had attempted to defend the point, cited sources or any such thing, or even said it twice, I might feel differently. Something like "in response to the interviewer's question about whether the Nazis had killed six million Jews, one of the girls said she didn't think there were that many at the time" would more accurately convey the facts, I think. --Trovatore 20:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

text: So as it turns out the transcript I was remembering was added by an anon contributor in this talk page (see #POV above). It may be that I was giving the girls a bit too much benefit of the doubt--look up the interview on the National Vanguard page, linked to from the article, and see what they have to say about the name "Prussian Blue". Eeeew. Anyway it's normal at thirteen to believe what your mother tells you (even if it's also normal to make her think you don't). They won't be thirteen forever. Hope they find their way back. It's not going to be an easy trip. --Trovatore 01:55, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Not that many Jews in existence"

message: The interviewer was a retard.
"You did say Jewish the first time, hon."
Ummm...no she didn't.
"Are you a Christian?"
"No I'm not, I'm an atheist."
"You're an atheist?  Alright.  Well Ellie Mae (sp?) I'm glad that you called today.  I -- she's an atheist, she's an eleven year old atheist."
That comment pissed me off too.  What?  Is it so much better to be an eleven year old Christian?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.143.22 (talk • contribs) 28 October, 2005
I don't agree with most of the viewpoints of the girls at all, but that interviewer was an idiot.
:it's idiotic to seriously interview 11 (or 13) year olds about their views of the holocaust, European history and theology. These girls are obviously just brainwashed by their mother (just like lots of girls are brainwashed by their fundametalist Christian parents, sure there is no difference in principle). They are just a publicity tool for National Vanguard, never mind what they think they know. Baad 10:27, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Likely so... a notable publicity tool for National Vanguard, never mind what they think they know. Wyss 12:42, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  KERN 1410 Interview 

message: User:Hipocrite added claims that the name of the band was an allusion to the colour of Zyklon-B residue. I have been under the impression that the name was based on their "Prussian heritage" and the colour of their eyes. If you think the point was important, please explain it here before putting it back. Lapinmies 16:45, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Excuse me, but I did not add that ridiculous claim, I rather removed it. The extremely POV, abusive and factually incorrect claim was added by User:Hipocrite. The band clearly states they named themselves after the color. ThompsJohn 17:21, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry ThompsJohn. ThompsJohn was NOT the one who mentioned Zyklon-B in the first place. User:Hipocrite was the one? Lapinmies 19:50, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

text: "Prussian blue" is indeed a ferrocyanide-based pigment which is, yes, blue. However, it's not particularly toxic, and it's not the residue from the use of Zyklon B. You're thinking of the related substance prussic acid - better known as hydrogen cyanide.  DS 17:13, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. Obviously, my chemistry is quite dated (ask me physics questions, please). I've corrcted the claim to accurately convey the chemistry. Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:25, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The long zyklon B discussion is inappropriate, and should not be in the article. It's true one of them mentioned something about it in an interview, but it seems to be clear that the then 11 year old girls did not name themselves "Prussian Blue" because of this. The obsession with petty details which looks bad is not NPOV. We should leave such things to the tabloids. ThompsJohn 17:40, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree. Do you consider yourself a historical revisionist, and/or do others consider you a holocaust denier? Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:52, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please refrain from personal attacks. I have absolutely no interest in the Holocaust discussion. Your edits here are however violating Wikipedia:NPOV and seems to be an attempt to smear this band and German-related things in general . ThompsJohn 17:59, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How ironic, you quoting policy at me. I have no qualm with Germans in general. Nazis, however, should be revealed as such (it's part of human knowledge). This group is not German (they are Americans of unknown descent). That you think my calling Nazis Nazis is an attack on germans is telling. Very. Telling. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:08, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for revealing your POV and showing that you are not able to deal with this article in a manner compatible with our NPOV policy. Which your first edit also clearly showed. ThompsJohn 18:13, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  You have now violated the wikipedia three revert rule, which I have reported. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:34, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have not. You are the main reverter here. Your edits have been reverted by at least 3 persons. Do you not take a hint? If you revert anything again, I will ask to have the stable version protected. ThompsJohn 18:36, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prussian Blue and Zyklon-B 

message: It appears that while there are still a few items that are slightly anti in their POV, the major POV problems appear to have been fixed, and so the version that exists right now seems to be about as NPOV as I and other fans of Prussian Blue could expect.  While I recognize that there exists "controversy" over these girls, that controversy is solely jew-produced and exists simply because the Gaedes do not go along with the jewsmedia, anti-White, "multicultural" framework.  In a healthy society, these girls would be notable because of their good music, not because of their politics.
John A. Flynn
"White Supremacists"?
White Nationalists are
White Separatists
and they are NOT 
actually White Supremacists, 
whatsoever!!!
They are also White
Racialists and NOT
any White Racists!!!
It is typical for the
enemies of OUR CAUSE
and of OUR FOLK
to always slander 
and to always mis-label 
and to mis-represent us.
What else isn't new?
Best regards,
Needle
:Yadayada. If this page is "acceptable" to white nationalists then there are serious problems with it. -- Миборовский U|T|C|E 01:00, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see notices at top of talk page. Hipocrite - «Talk» 13:08, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current version not ideal, but acceptable to White Nationalists 

message: Browsing the PS Forum I've seen in an user's signature the quote "They call us crackers, we call them mud" (Lamb Gaede).
If it is actually real I suggest it to be included, along the "Our music isn't about hating anyone" quote. This, without affecting the neutrality of the article, clearly shows how hipocratic and contradictory this people are...
Jerry Abbott says > Actually, she was illustrating for you a concept called "parity."  The term was in common use during the Cold War, when the USA and the USSR would dispute whether their nuclear weapons and ours were in parity.  In the sense used, it means that both sides of a two-party dispute have struck a balance of offensive and defensive capabilities.  Lamb Gaede was telling you that for as long as non-Whites call Whites by offensive names, it's perfectly OK (in parity) for Whites to call non-Whites by offensive names, too.  Really, this line of reasoning is so obvious that, when someone speaks as if he doesn't understand, it smacks of - what to call it - insincere confusion (?).
*The idea that they there were not 8 miliion Jews at the time of the Holocaust is not accuracte becuase the population of the world is 6,000,000,000+ people and the number of Jews in the world (presently) in 2% meaning that the number of Jews right now is about 120,000,000+. And population cannot rise that quickly, logicaly -of course-, in a mere 70 years.
**For the record, there aren't a hundred and twenty million Jews in the world. There's about fifteen million, tops. You're off by a factor of ten - 0.2%, no 2%. Before the war, there were maybe ten and a half million in Europe, and another seven million throughout the rest of the world. That said, Lynx and Lamb pretty obviously have Jewish blood. (NOTE: I AM JOKING, ALTHOUGH REALLY THERE'S NO WAY TO TELL, IS THERE) DS 01:11, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't feed the troll or otherwise engage in needless squabbles that do not improve the article, thanks. -- Миборовский U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai! 08:48, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends on who you consider a Jew. -- Миборовский U|T|C|E 01:43, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: Please add link to Hebrew Wiki: he:פרושיאן בלו.
:Why ask here? Just add the above link at the bottom of the main page. --Trovatore 20:59, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Article still locked. Hipocrite - «Talk» 22:21, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: the forum has moved. I would update the link but I disslike editing protected pages.Geni 21:49, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  interwiki: adding he 

message: My opinion is also that the article should be kept in order to create awareness. The subject matter, because it has many feeling associated with it, may seem biased or subjective, but I don't see how it would be possible to change it so that it is not so.
Monagz 21:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're a little late; that debate's been over for a couple of weeks now. Your side won. --Trovatore 21:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I vote to keep article 

message: This _must_ be added, in the interest of fairness & decency, by god!
http://store.goodgirlsgobad.com/box_front.cfm?ID=13463
*actually, they were in this movie, as creepy twins. BlueShirts 19:16, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Their early foray into film should be mentioned 

message: This page is now unprotected; edit away (and we'll try and keep on top of any vandalism). — Matt Crypto 12:55, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unprotected 

message: Did the Gaedes and David Irving know each other? 64.12.116.10 04:50, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Irving 

message: "Look at those poor Aryans, being forced to believe in hatred for the sake of their parents' foolishness!" I bet. 64.12.116.10 04:50, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Would [[Anne Frank]] Think of the Gaedes? 

message: It is false to to say the residue left by zyklon-b gas because it is actually something that is changed at the molecular level. So the substance is transformed to that color Prussian Blue permanently, it is not a residue, it is the color of the substance from there on. 2601:200:4000:1B90:D429:4530:E991:F9C1 (talk) 08:21, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  They climb be gas and Prussian Blue