Talk:Skolt Sámi

message: If anyone knows the etymology of 'Skolt' in 'Skolt Sami', please add it to the article or write something about it here.
:The word Skolt is derived from the Swedish (or Norwegian) word skalle ’skull’. Many Skolt Sami people used to have no hair probably because of a skin desease. --Hippophaë 01:27, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The word "skolt" is probably derived from Skandinavian "skalle"(skull). The story about no hair because of skin disease etc, is probably a myth. If it was true, why can we read only about easter-sami men in reports from the area in the 18th and 19th century?, no women withoout hair. A myth probably created by Norwegians and/or Finns when they outnumbered the Eastern-Samis in their own areas, which of course lead to conflicts, if not a myth its probably the following explanation: The Eastern-Sami men cut their hair to make it look like they had a desease. This was to avoid being forced to join the russian army, as the Eastern-Sami area was Norwegian/Russian up to 1826. With their nomadic way of life, several young men being taken away to the army would of course be a huge problem for the eastern-Samis.
As might be noticed i have called the groups Esatern-Sami, which is the correct name for both group and language. Skolt is an old name which several Eastern-Sami think of as a negative name and a name placed on them by the oppressors during the assimilation periods through the 19th and 20th century. The Eastern-Samis own name on themselves also means "the eastern people"
I beg to differ, what name are you using to refer to "Eastern Sámi" in Skolt Sámi? Sää'mm or sä'mmlaž are the words used by the Skolt to refer to themselves; nuõrti means east. I think you 
are confusing what the speakers of Northern Sámi use to refer to the Skolt (nuortalaš) with
what they call themselves. I have never in my life heard Skolt call themselves nuõrttsää'mm.
This also seems to be the predominant way of referring to oneself amongst all of the Sámi:
each group refers to themselves as being "sámi" and then provides other names for the other 
groups. -Yupik 21:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Two things should be noted here. First, one can't just change established ethnonyms at a whim; the fact remains that Skolt Sami is the only commonly known name for this Sami people and their language. Second, it would be just confusing and incorrect to use the term Eastern Sami instead of Skolt Sami, because this is an already established term with a different meaning. While the Skolt Sami people are Eastern Sami, so are the Kildin Sami and the few remaining Ter Sami on the Kola Peninsula as well. So one cannot just equate Skolt Sami with Eastern Sami. --AAikio 06:40, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: This is an English-langauge Wikipedia and there is no tradition whatsoever of calling the Skolt Sami "Eastern Sami" or anything similar in English. Moreover, "Eastern Sami" is already an established linguistic term referring to a subgroup of Sami languages, including Inari, Skolt, Kildin and Ter Sami, as well as extinct Akkala Sami. (Note that I never said it was an ethnonym - I suppose that this is what you are referring to by saying that "they are in for example Norway called Ter Kildin and Eastern samis and have no name    "together""). Using the term "Eastern Sami" instead of "Skolt Sami" would contradict the established terminology and only create confusion. --AAikio 10:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Is Skolt Sámi called "Eastern Sámi" in parts of Norway where there would be no interference from Northern Sámi, which does refer to Skolt as "Eastern Sámi". But as Ante said above, this is an English-language wikipedia and as such, has no bearing on the subject on this wikipedia as the Skolt do not refer to themselves as nuõrttsää'mm, i.e., "eastern sami". -Yupik 07:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Nuortalazzak is the Eastern Samis own name, meaning the eastern people
In the hope that this talk isn't all closed yet:
Could Skolt/Kolt and Kildin have something to do with Balto-Slavic Kol (sun) that gave (or so I've read) it's name to the Kola peninsula? 
Or could it be related to the word for language http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C7%A9i%C3%B5ll?
--Karen.mulders (talk) 13:40, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology and Eastern Sámi vs. Skolt Sámi 

message: A question about classifying extinct and nearly extinct: when is the language extinct? I think nearly extinct is a better therm on the situation in Norway than extinct.
To my knowledge, today in Njauddâm (on the Norwegian side) there is at least one speaker living who moved there from Čeve´tjäu´rr. Michael.riessler (talk) 16:45, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extinct in Norway? 

message: I'd like to bring up what I consider an important issue for writing about Skolt Sámi in Wikipedia: the standard font doesn't work and I know more than one person that has turned away in disgust because they don't know what font to use to see Skolt properly (instead of seeing little boxes). On most pages, I've forced Arial Unicode MS, Lucida Sans Unicode, Everson Mono Unicode (and Helvetica as a last resort) to be used by using font tags. Issue was taken with this on the Nynorsk page though. Can we reach a consensus as to how we should be writing Skolt in Wikipedia? 
-Yupik 13:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You need a browser that fully supports Unicode and an appropriate font, e.g. Arial Unicode MS or Code2000. Please do not use FONT tags, because they override the default font in the browser. Instead you should use the Unicode template to properly view Skolt Sami text in browsers which have problems with Unicode. --Hippophaë 19:02, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We have no problems whatsoever on Nynorsk Wikipedia. Could you please have a look at our solution? If you cannot read those characters, you need to install additional fonts on your computer. Trondtr 18:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really strange, as I do have Everson, etc. installed on my computer, yet the names still do not show properly if the Unicode template is used. This, however, brings another problem to light, namely, how can we expect people who know nothing of these fonts that do work to figure it out? We also cannot expect people to download an entirely different browser for their system if their browser doesn't support Unicode fully; the majority of users are going to be using whatever browser (e.g., IE) that was bundled with their computer software when they bought the computer. Perhaps this need for a different browser/fonts should be mentioned on the pages in question? -Yupik 08:18, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you should discuss the problem on the talk page of the Unicode template. There should be no need to download a different browser in order to properly view all characters. Instead the template should be corrected, if it does not support Skolt Sami letters yet. --Hippophaë 18:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I usally use a mac with enough fonts installed so that I casn see what I want, and I always write Unicode directly (no &ddd;. Sitting on another machine at the moment, a non-modified MS Windows machine with IE something, it again seems fine (g-caron is a box in the source code, but ok on the page itself). The only problem I can see is that some users don't have large enough fonts, and no encoding tweak will alter that. The only alternative is a picture, but that is a dead end, we cannot write with pictures. But a warning on top, ok. Trondtr 09:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The letters are correctly shown without font tags, but as boxes with the font tags, although I have Everson fonts. I comment out the font tag, supporting Yupik and Hippophaë. People with other browsers than I have (Safari, Mac) can then report what they see. Specifying fonts should not be the way of doing things in the Unicode era. Trondtr 16:12, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fonts 

message: When I was creating the article on Tiina Sanila, I noticed that the English Wikipedia doesn't have any page for the Skolts
themselves. This page should be created and probably a disambuigation page, too.
-Yupik 13:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skolts 

message: Thanks to Yupik for adding a section on grammar, this is a great addition. I did a minor correction by changing the morphological type to synthetic instead of agglutinative. It seems problematic to characterize Skolt as agglutinative because there is such a high degree of fusion, heavy root alteration and many portmanteau suffixes. This would appear to contradict the description in the article agglutinative language: "each affix typically represents one unit of meaning... and bound morphemes are expressed by affixes (and not by internal changes of the root of the word, or changes in stress or tone)".
I also wonder whether it is right to characterize the partitive case as "unproductive" - isn't it fully productive in numeral constructions, as well as with certain postpositions? --AAikio 10:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good, good! Thank you and sorry about that, how embarassing! -Yupik 20:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skolt grammar 

message: What about mention of this case? It is totally unproductive (-l) and is usually replaced by the comitative nowadays. 
-Yupik 21:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Instrumental]] ''-l'' 

message: The more this page is filled out, I'm thinking it might be a better idea to make the grammar section a separate entry of its own, like there is for Finnish. Any thoughts on the matter?
-Yupik 11:17, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this would be a good idea; the article may be getting too long. The same could be done with some orher Sami language articles as well. --AAikio 07:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Skolt Sami Grammar page?

message: When was the current alphabet adopted? --Alivemajor 10:40, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabet 

message: The page on Southern Sami language states, that Southern Sami "like Skolt Sami but unlike other Sami languages is a SOV language", however all the examples given in this article show what do me appears to be a SVO structure. Is the Southern Sami page then correct? Would be nice to hear more. Mulder1982 (talk) 04:39, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  SOV or SVO 

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