Talk:Egyptians/Archive 1

message: The article features a portrait of a young man with the caption saying: "Roman-era portrait of an Egyptian man from the Hawara tombs of the Fayum collection, c. 125 − 150 CE." Actually, the man is, most likely, a Roman, not Egyptian, because he wears a beard. As opposed to Romans, Egyptians wore no beards at that time. Beit Or 15:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Hawara  mummies have actually been tested in the study cited under the Origins section and were found to be of elite Egyptians, not Romans or Greeks. — [zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · t 22:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portrait of a young man 

message: Post response on User Werdnak
:I agree. However, it needs just a little more work.
:--Meno25 22:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should be featured 

message: jews are an ethnic group much as they a religious group. so writing judaism as a religion of  ethnic egyptians, or israel as state that populate an egyptian "diaspora" community, is completely absurd.
BTW, i know my english is not the best... Varcety 16:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Egyptian diaspora in Israel is not a reference to Egyptian Jews. It is a community of Egyptians (i.e. Muslim and Coptic) who immigrated there following the signing of the peace treaty or are simply working there . Judaism in the infobox is a reference to the fact that some Egyptians converted to Judaism, and thus it is one of the religions that played role in the history of the Egyptian people. You will notice that the articles on Berbers, Kurds and Persians all mention Judaism as well. — [zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · ☥ 10:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  jew as ethnic egyptians? 

message: I don't know if this was discussed before, but the history section is extremely long, I don't really wanna see it gone, but I guess a page about an ethnic group should contain a bit more than history. As EgyEgy said in the ratings page, we need more about culture here. I can write some, but I have no structure, so I'll need someone to administer how this is gonna go. How are we gonna expand the culture section? Cuisine? Arts definitely could use some expansion. Habits and traditions, as in what? As in family life or as in what? I hope my point is getting across. We need a bunch of stubs that we can fill in, someone needs to see the big picture though, and I suck at that. Anyone get what I am saying because it's late here and I think I'm incoherent. Karkaron 02:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, according to US census back in 2000, their was 142,000 Egyptians [], I think its crazy to bump the number up to 900,000. Chaldean 04:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't understand the structure of this article 

message: This quote right here in the origins section misrepresents the study, he never concludes any such relationships between Ancient Egyptians and South/West Asians.
"A 2006 bioarchaeological study on the dental morphology of ancient Egyptians by Prof. Joel Irish shows dental traits characteristic of indigenous North Africans and to a lesser extent Southwest Asian populations"
Not true, this is from the study.
CONCLUSIONS 
The determination of trait frequencies, identification of 
highly discriminatory traits, and computation of phenetic 
affinities among the 15 samples yields a more comprehensive dental characterization of ancient Egyptians than 
presented in previous reports. These findings were, in 
turn, effective for estimating the synchronic and diachronic biological relatedness that was used to test the 
viability of several long-standing peopling hypotheses and 
less formal assumptions. 
Concerning estimates of relatedness, many samples 
appear dentally homogeneous. That is, with the exception 
of four or five outliers, most are phenetically similar 
enough to imply population continuity from predynastic to 
perhaps Roman times. Whereas the more divergent samples exhibit extreme frequencies of nine traits identified 
as most influential, the others share relatively moderate 
expressions of these traits and comparable frequencies of 
the rest. If these samples are indeed representative of the 
populations from which they were derived, then this 
homogeneity is also important in addressing the various 
peopling scenarios. Beginning with Gebel Ramlah, its relative proximity to three of four early Upper Egyptian samples, including Badari, provides some indication of the lat
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J.D. IRISH 
ter’s origins. Affinities among the predynastic and most 
dynastic and postdynastic samples are then supportive of: 
1) continuity between the Naqada and Badarian peoples, 
2) an indigenous outgrowth of the dynastic period from 
the Naqada, 3) with some exceptions, biological uniformity throughout the dynastic period, and 4) continuity 
between the latter and subsequent Ptolemaic and Roman 
periods. 
Lastly, beyond these relationships, additional intersample variation was identified by the distance analyses. 
However, without reference to pertinent existing hypotheses, the discussion of such affinities is beyond the scope of 
this paper. Still, the patterning illustrated by the MDS 
and CA diagrams is of interest, and will receive attention 
in future studies comparing Egyptians to samples from 
elsewhere in northeast Africa, greater North Africa, sub-
Saharan Africa, and the western Mediterranean area. 
Such comparisons will also facilitate analyses of these 15 
samples in a broader, more region-oriented perspective 
that may help shed additional light on the ultimate origins of the Egyptian peoples. 
^^No such comparisons are made among Southwest Asians.
This is what he says about Dental affinities..
Egyptian samples. Specifically, the clustering of 11 or so 
samples is reminiscent of that observed among post-Paleolithic Nubians in a previous regional dental study (Irish, 
2005). In the latter case, homogeneity was thought to be 
suggestive of population continuity. Similarly, the potential Egyptian continuity extends across time (as evidenced 
by affinities among the three predynastic, five of seven 
dynastic, and two or perhaps three Roman period samples) and space (as indicated by the mostly random distribution of points denoting Upper and Lower Egyptians). If 
true, the present findings vary from those based on cranial morphometric data that suggest biological heterogeneity, at least in predynastic times (Prowse and Lovell, 
1996; Keita, 1996), and a broad clinal variation between 
populations in the north and south (Keita, 1990, 1992). 
The source of any heterogeneity is thought to have 
stemmed from the makeup of the ‘‘proto-predynastic’’ 
(Keita, 1992, p. 251) founding population that may have 
comprised many biologically distinct peoples, including 
Saharan, Nilotic, and Levant groups (Hassan, 1988; 
Keita, 1990, 1992; Prowse and Lovell, 1996). This amalgam is still evident in Egypt’s modern peoples (Manni 
et al., 2002). However, the overall diachronic homogeneity 
indicated by the dental and other data (e.g., Brace et al., 
1993) is likely due to extensive interaction via trade, population movement, and genetic exchange among communities along the Nile between Upper and Lower Egypt 
(Hassan, 1988). As Hassan (1988) observed, the narrow 
river valley and its thin strip of habitable land would 
quickly be populated during the late predynastic expansion. In other words, Egypt ‘‘became a melting pot’’ for the 
founding groups (Hassan, 1988, p. 135) by the predynastic 
period and beyond.
http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/who_were_egyptian.pdf 
Compares the samples to post paleolithic Nubian samples, but no mention of relatedness to south west asia, that was not a conclusion. So I'm rewording the quote to match the study's result.Taharqa 02:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joel Irish study misrepresented 

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 16:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

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message: An editor changed the page so that the focus was Egyptians as citizens of Egypt. Another editor put it back was it was with focus on the ethnic group. The first editor reverted THAT so we were back to citizens.  Before reverting the change to the stable version, I had a look at page history and found that the page used to say that it was about citizens AND the ethnic group (some years ago). Thus it is hard to take sides on this, but as per WP:BRD it is time we discussed what the focus of the page should be. Is this page about Egyptians as an ethnic group? Is it about Egyptians as being exactly those who are citizens of Egypt from any ethnic group? Or is it both? There doesn't seem to be any guidance on the matter on this page. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 22:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: there isn't really an Egyptian ethnic group per se as there isn't a Libyan ethnic group or a Tunisian ethnic group or Jordanian ethnic group. I say we change it back to citizens. 85.75.213.201 (talk) 19:39, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizens or Ethnic Group