Talk:Chughtai

message: I've removed the following text from the entry that is floating the idea that the name has either Arab or Turkic roots.
Although there are claims that this name came from South Asia, it has been proven that it started from the arabian peninsula. The Chughtai were also one of the clans/ tribe in areas of Saudi Arabia and many claim to be from that ancestry.
The reason for doing so, is that, the name itself is a Mongolian name and there are where the roots belongs to. If, historically, the name moved to Arabian peninsula or anywhere else in the world, that does not prove that it is Arabic. If there's a claim that it is Arab and not Mongolian i.e. not related to Chaghadai Khan, then please cite the reference and create a separate entry for such name. This topic is strictly related to the surname that is based on the lineage of Chaghadai Khan.
If there are any objections, please post here before editing the original article.hameed (talk) 12:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arab or Turkic Roots References 

message: I oppose the merging of the article about Chaghatai language, which is of greater importance for the cultural history of Central Asia and beyond, with the article about the family name Chughtai. I do not see why there shouldn't be a separate entry on the family name if people wish to have it, but that should be it. 
Otherwise one could easily come up with a para on the family name English under the entry for the language of the same name or a para on family names in the articles on virtually any historic person on Wikipedia (Bismarck, Bhutto, Bayazid, Blake...).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Züccaciye (talk • contribs) 23:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: I have removed the following section from Origin section as it has nothing to do with Chughtai surname and/or lineage. Please do not add contents that are not directly related to the original topic.hameed (talk) 12:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Off Topic Contents 

message: There is quite a lot of junk information in the background section which is written from a personal perspective. Thus, the article tends to suffer from pride and not historical accuracy. All the information which shows Chughtai as a localized ethnic entity separate from Mongols is absolutely wrong insofar as Chughtai surname only appeared AFTER Chaghatai Khan. If someone think that Chughtai was a tribe which was either supporting or campaigning Mongols (i.e. they are not descendents of a Mongol Khan) than a historical reference needs to be produced. chughtai (talk) 00:06, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personalized and Localized Information 

message: This article has been stripped of some useful information, which is perhaps why it's been suggested that the bare remnants be merged into the Chagatai language article. That would be a pity, since the topics are quite distinct and of interest to quite different audiences. The information that used to be in the Chughtai article was as follows:
"This is a Family name/clan in South Asia (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the associated diaspora) that claims descent from Chagatai Khan, as thus status as a Chagatai Turk. The names of (especially) male members of the clan often carry the prefix Mirza and the suffix Beg, and are thus usually of the form Mirza Beg. The Mughal Emperors of India claimed to be of the same lineage. Babur consciously made a decision to drop the Mirza from his name. The names of minor, and some times even major, princes of the dynasty continued to carry the prefix and/or the suffix. The nomenclature is common today. For example, Mirza Aslam Beg was a recent Chief of Army Staff in Pakistan. Modern variations include the use of Beg or even Mirza as a family name. The family name Chughtai is also used. See also Bey."
When I first read this, I was intrigued as it explained something of interest (the relationship between the common names Mirza, Beg and Chughtai for male members of the clan), gave a topical example (the former Pakistani chief of staff named above) and linked it to a historical context (Chagatai Turks and Mughals). It could have been improved by expanding a little on the use of Chagatai and Chughtai (e.g. one British historian titled his book about the Mughals "The Chaghtai Kings" - I don't recall the exact spelling), and by listing a few of the better known Chughtais (e.g. writer Ismat Chughtai and artist Abdur Rehman Chughtai).
Instead, this article has been edited into mediocrity. The remaining line about Babur dropping the name Mirza doesn't make sense anymore because the relationship with the name Chughtai isn't explained so it becomes an isolated, irrelevant fact. Please reinstate the useful information, and let's expand this article in a constructive way rather than losing useful knowledge.
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thread_title:  No to merger: please reinstate useful information 

message: As per the above posting, I've added two sentences, the one beginning "In South Asia..." and the one beginning "These honorific names..." As a result, the next two sentences, referring to emperors "claiming the same lineage" (though the earlier necessary reference to "lineage" had been deleted), and Babur dropping Mirza (although the previous necessary mention of "Mirza" had also been deleted) now both make sense. Shaheenx (talk) 08:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Necessary references restored to make more sense 

message: Mirza/Beg: Instead of referring to a current figure i.e. Aslam Beg, please provide concrete references to support the claim that Mirza+name+Beg is equivalent to Chughtai. Since there's no mention of any reference (book, article, encyclopedia, research material), it seems more like a personal belief than a fact. Could I ask you to please avoid floating such ideas.193.120.236.36 (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical Fact Vs Belief 

message: Please note that Chughtai is a mongolian name and since there's no exact phonetic translation it could be either Chughtai, Chaghatai, Chaghadai, etc.193.120.236.36 (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling Variation 

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thread_title:  Central Asia ,  it's tribes  a  great history