Talk:Elevator levitation

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Several anon IPs have been recently deleting this article, claiming copyright violations[] . I've looked into all the claims and think theyre all quite erroneous. Unless the exact text of the article was stolen from another source (that is, the wording, not the concept), there is no violation. Magic trick methods are not copyrightable, and although they can be patented, a patent only prevents an unlicensed party from performing the trick, not describing its methods. For more information, please see Intellectual rights to magic methods. I think any further blanking of this article without a legitimant claim should be considered vandalism. -Lanoitarus (talk) .:. 01:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's simply not true - the covert choreography within a magic creation can not be patented, just as little as a musical tune can, unless it contain a new scientific discovery. And there's no point even mentioning the copyright laws because they are irrelevant in this context, as covert choreography is undefined there. By copyright you are neither prohibited nor allowed to take a creators realised expression of art within this particular field. --TStone 04:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: TStone has been making up legal precedent recently on Wikipedia. Please note that his legal arguments hold no weight. Talk:Out_of_This_World_(card_trick)--Muchosucko 19:43, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That might be so, but I'm also illustrating that all other's legal arguments are likewise without weight, and that you are attempting to confuse the issues. What in "Out of this World" could have been patented? And where in copyright is a magician's realised expressions of art mentioned at all? That seems like two rather simple questions for someone who so forcefully claim that all magic creations can be patented, and that you are allowed by copyright to take material from creators against their will. For someone who are almost an expert, it seems that you are using almost acrobatic skill to avoid those two simple questions. Could "Out of this World" have been patented? A simple yes or no works just fine --TStone 21:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: TStone has been making up legal precedent recently on Wikipedia. Please note that his legal arguments hold no weight. Talk:Out_of_This_World_(card_trick)--Muchosucko 19:43, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Muchosucko, I have no idea on what you are doing, but your appearance doesn't get better, I'm afraid. And it's a bit unpolite to talk about me as if I wasn't here. Or to reply in equal terms: Muchosucko has been making up legal precedent recently on Wikipedia. Please note that his legal arguments hold no weight. Talk:Out_of_This_World_(card_trick) --TStone 09:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DAMN YOU!

message: I have removed the method from the article as it is unsourced.  This is following the guidelines laid out in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Magic#Magic_Methods_and_Exposure.  If the method can be properly sourced, then it can be re-added. StephenBuxton (talk) 13:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Method removed 

message: This article is extremely brief, and contains no useful references (I removed 2 that didn't qualify, then spent an hour searching for RS but found none). Under the circumstances, it seems like a good idea to simply merge this into Balducci levitation as a line-item in the "Variations" section of that article. Thanks for your consideration and participation, Doc  Tropics 18:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal