Talk:Card scraper

message: I took out a sentence because I don't know what it means, but it doesn't look appropriate for the article...
:Card scrapers can also be used to remove the finish from old furniture surfaces.  Once the technique is mastered, large fluffy shavings with extremely unlikely tearout problems can be made.  Witness David Marks on Woodworks from DIY network.
~ Booyabazooka 19:18, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: "Alternatively, some vendors of wood working tools sell card scrapers with the burr already properly turned."
I'm not disputing that these exist, although I haven't come across them. I find myself wondering how feasible this idea is, given that the burr on a card scraper does not last all that long before it needs to be recreated, so even if you bought a scraper that had a ready to cut burr on it, you would still need to learn how to turn the burr at some point, unless you just throw them away and buy new ones, which would be silly. I know of scrapers such as the Scarsten which does not need the edge to be tuned, but it is a different principle to the card scraper and it has disposable blades. Can anyone shed any light? SilentC 04:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Card scrapers with "burr already properly turned"

message: This would be a much better article with a picture or two :) Erk|Talk -- I like traffic lights -- 03:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: I would be interested to see some discussion of the hardness of scapers as I know that they are available in different hardnesses. Is harder better? The article states that they can be made from old saw blades. Would this include modern disposable 'hardpoint' saws? 78.151.205.84 (talk) 18:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hardness 

message: I have only a few years experience with card scrapers and woodworking.  I do have an interest in cautious modifications of English language definitions.  This is my first entry into the Wikipedia world, so please be forgiving of any errors of fact, style, or decorum.
I propose that in the first sentence of the article:
"A card scraper (also incorrectly called as a cabinet scraper which is actually a different tool) is a woodworking shaping and finishing tool."
there are two errors that should be corrected.
1. I believe that the phrase in parentheses:  "(also incorrectly called as a cabinet scraper which is actually a different tool)" is an untrue statement.
I contend that a significant fraction of card scraper users use the term "cabinet scraper" to refer to the tools described in this article.  Some of those users use the term cabinet scraper exclusively; others use the terms "card scraper" and "cabinet scraper" interchangeably.
I do agree that there is a separate tool, with a blade shaped like a plane with a beveled edge, that is also called a cabinet scraper.
a. The world of the search engine is in sharp variance to the definition of the article.  As I use Google search now for Cabinet Scraper, the first 10 citations, a mix of discussions and articles for sale, refer 100% to the card scraper.  This wikipedia article, the 7th citation on my result page, is the lone exception explaining a different tool.
b. The author Leonard Lee is an established leader of many decades in the field of woodworking.  He is the founder of Lee Valley Tools, Veritas Tools, and the author of "The Complete Guide to Sharpening".  1995, The Taunton Press, Newtown, CT.  In chapter 11 of that book, pp130-141, the "card scraper" is the sole topic of pp130-138, but he uses the terminology "cabinet scraper" exclusively, never "card scraper".  On p139, he describes the beveled tool as a "scraper plane".
c. I attend classes at the Cabinet and Furniture Technology Department of Palomar College in San Marcos, California, near San Diego.  The school is large, offers more than 70 courses, has multiple faculty members, and the student body covers a wide range of age and experience.  It is my impression that members of this community sometimes use the term cabinet scraper for the tool in this article.
I propose changing the first sentence of this article to "A card scraper (also called a cabinet scraper) is a woodworking shaping and finishing tool."
2. Regardless of what terminology is more widely used, the prior author's decision to put the the phrase "cabinet scraper" in the first sentence gives inappropriate emphasis to a very minor point of terminology.  The current location of "cabinet scraper" in this article means that this citation will appear high in any search for "cabinet scraper", thereby factually misleading the audience for both "card scraper" and "cabinet scraper" with these few key first sentence words.  A better place for this word discussion might be in the disambiguation section of Cabinet Scraper.LLeander22 (talk) 23:02, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Card scraper IS also correctly called a cabinet scraper