Talk:Façade

message: This seems an odd redirect from gable? Notinasnaid 18:57, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: gable

message: I can not understand why any person who has learned English would use "Facade" instead of "Façade". Iamiyouareyou (talk) 18:47, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Because "any person who has learned English" also learns the English alphabet which does not include Ç (c-cedilla); further, English grammar lessons don't cover diacritics because they're not part of English. Hopefully this helps your understanding. How about taking this discussion over to the English alphabet page; maybe they'll want to start the movement to add a 27th letter. Markᵂ (talk) 21:25, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you may wish to consider calling up the OED dictionarians immediately and letting them know how very, very wrong their knowledge of English spelling and lettering is, so that they can promptly right their grave errors as directed by you. I'm sure they will jump right up and call their printing presses to a screeching halt in order to avoid the further publications of any such heresies. Firejuggler86 (talk) 05:42, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: I'm going to fight this hard

message: stubstubstubstub — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.169.244 (talk) 00:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  STUB 

message: Should we add a note about the 2nd menaing of facade?:
"An artificial or deceptive front"--75.7.135.250 22:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd meaning? 

message: I just created false front to redirect here. I feel like it is a more common word for describing the big square facades you see in the old west, as in this picture, as opposed to "facade". Thoughts? —Ben FrantzDale 14:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  False front 

message: Move this to Façade for God's sake, just because our keyboards are retarded doesn't mean we have to be. Facade implies a very wrong pronunciation. My Webster's dictionary favo(u)rs façade over facade as well.Cameron Nedland 21:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: & .  BTW facade implies a rhyme with arcade.Cameron Nedland 01:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, true. It just seems unnecessary to change ç to c. I don't know.Cameron Nedland 14:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTF??!! 

message: Will it be changed to façade, or still be facade? Everybody prefers façade in this talk page.
Somebody says there's no "ç" key in the American/British keyboard, but it doesn't matter. It's a retarded reason because "cliche" and "Mobius strip" are redirect pages to "cliché" and "Möbius strip" respectively. --에멜무지로 21:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not understand how, after reading the earlier sections, you can write "everybody prefers façade in this talk page" I for one do not. --Philip Baird Shearer 22:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  But when we type "facade" in word processor, it is automatically changed to "façade." Plus, their pronunciations are different. "Facade" is [fəˈkɑd], but "façade" is exactly [fəˈsɑd]. -- 23:35, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  And if we use "facade" instead of "façade," we should use "naive" instead of "naïve." -- 23:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  also "resume" and "deja vu" instead of "resumé" and "déjà vu". and 95% of americans write/say "trevino" for the spanish last name "Treviño". 4.230.153.169 00:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This page is absolutely hilarious. ONE person doesn't want to move this, and everyone else does. And yet, it's still here. Gud Speling guyz.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.159.71.131 (talk) 04:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

text: 72.159.71.131 is not right. The Naming conventions are used to decide on the name of an article and the Naming conventions say "Generally, article naming should prefer what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature."  --Philip Baird Shearer 19:59, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  See 4.230.153.169's comment above. -- 20:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Polls are evil. Reasons are more important than numbers. --Kjoonlee 20:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

text: And end up in even more hot water? --Kjoonlee 04:48, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Heh, didn't I say just above that numbers are meaningless compared to reasons? --Kjoonlee 15:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I hope you're not implying that newcomers don't have a say. Personally, I don't mind whichever is chosen. --Kjoonlee 20:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: None from me? That still doesn't mean I don't have a say, does it? If there's no consensus, then the articles stay. --Kjoonlee 07:42, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming all the reasons to "keep" or "move" are good. If any of the reasons are bad, we consider the good ones. --Kjoonlee 07:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  So what's the conclusion? 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose "ç" looks French to me... so this page should continue to be spelled using the freedom-"c". Ewlyahoocom 07:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Does anyone find it strange that an article about façade should turn into an article about high rise fires?  I don’t really think fires should be mentioned at all.  It really has nothing to do with the subject.  If you like fires, you could add this stuff to most articles.  The “See also” section defiantly should not have Fire door, Firestop, Fire-resistance rating, Fire sprinkler, Active fire protection, and Passive fire protection.  There’s more on fires then there is on false fronts.  It looks like some have tried to remove the fire references in the past only to have the page vandalized with fire again.  As for the pictures given, I see a lot of fancy facades here, but no typical facades where a store front has it’s road facing gable end squared off.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.50.255.30 (talk) 19:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fire?

message: I removed the following which seemed only distantly related to the topic:
* Passive fire protection
* Active fire protection
* Fire sprinkler
* Fire door
* Fire-resistance rating
* Firestop
* Building joints
—Ian Spackman (talk) 09:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The “See also” section 

message: There is another definition that is not mentioned. It is less common, but still often used. That is, a superficial appearance or illusion of something. As in, They managed somehow to maintain a facade of wealth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.146.121.229 (talk) 20:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This figurative sense is given in Wiktionary, where it probably belongs?  Dbfirs 20:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facade 

message: What is going on with the sentence around "as well as the 1,100 °C. Melting point of aluminium"? I'd guessed it was an erroneous stop, but the melting point of aluminium is  so that doesn't seem right. Si Trew (talk) 11:34, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  1,100 °C 

message: Can Someone with sufficient knowledge Please Help Expand the article by adding an Entymology section thankyou.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.200.249.29 (talk) 14:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How do façades relate to insects? You must mean Etymology. (WP Editor 2011 (talk) 12:48, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Entymology

message: Well, we're already in 2014, it was about time we started a new topic on this subject. Previous requests to move the title back to façade have been made in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009 and 2012 and no consensus was achieved; but who knows... I particularly favour façade over facade for the same reason that we write déjà vu, naïve etc. —capmo (talk) 07:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree but I'm afraid this might end up nowhere again with the one person very much adamant to changing it... :S Facade looks like Fak-ade or Fakad to me. Even as I just typed façade it autocorrects to façade (welp, it did it again...). The cedilla softens the c and this is the spelling I commonly see on books... --WikiEditor 50 16:44, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree. The "facade" spelling arose only from ignorance and laziness, then the excuses came later about how people should be able to get away with it. Owen214 (talk) 21:37, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There never WAS any consensus to move to Facade in the first place, was there?? How utterly disingenuous it is, to make a Bold change without gaining consensus, and then claiming that consensus is required to change it back! If there is no consensus, then it should revert to the status from before the controversy. The former is an all too common tactic of POV pushing. Firejuggler86 (talk) 05:49, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to façade 

message: see here: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=fa%C3%A7ade%2Cfacade&year_start=1962&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=4
Also noted that, the original move to Facade from the original (and current) name was done unilaterally and has been heavily contested since. Because there was no consensus to move to begin with, the article title has been restored to its previous version.
Furthermore, the only reasonable argument that has been given by PBS has been WP:COMMONNAME (which many the accuracy thereof, with rational arguments). Per the link above, though, façade has been the more common variant since 2014, and is increasing in use. 
cheers, Firejuggler86 (talk) 15:42, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common usage has, it appears, changed 

message: I don't quite understand why the very common spelling of "facade" is not included in the article as an alternate spelling, along with the French spelling "façade". It is the primary spelling given (along with the the French variant) in the Collins English dictionary, in the Merriam-Webster dictionary, and the "Concise Oxford Dictionary of Art Terms".  It is a very common word in the English language. Why is the French spelling considered preferable for a common term in English? I respectfully think both the English and French spellings should be given, since both are widely used. Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 19:31, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes - I have finally put this in, & it should certainly not be removed. Personally, I'd prefer to move the title back there, as it was for many years. Johnbod (talk) 04:26, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Façade and facade  again