Talk:Joey Deacon

message: Joey did NOT lose his shoe in the Thames with Simon Groom. He was merely reminiscing about an incident that occurred during his childhood - a kind of 'dramatic reconstruction' if you will.
::That's interesting because the creativeness at my school went further. If one self-called a mistake or a stupid act, you would say as a homage to Joey, "where's ma shoes?". Well done Biddy Baxter for pushing your Tory-honed, middle-class views throughBlue Peter, you instantly gave the youth of Thatcher's Britain something to remember!109.150.42.81 (talk) 00:34, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Loss of footwear

message: I don't know this for sure, but following Joey's Blue Peter appearance I feel that incidences of people naming their children Joey would have declined - possibly only to recover after Friends made its debut. Does anyone know where I can get this information (NameVoyager is wonderful but it's for American name usage). DavidFarmbrough 08:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Frequency 

message: Joey is notable because of his book, tv appearances, and cultural impact, but I have a suspicion that his account of the treatment of physically handicapped people in mental institutions in the early part of the last century may be very rare. Are there any comparative examples? DavidFarmbrough 09:55, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: That endlessly looping GIF looks rather bizarre. Is there a point to it being animated instead of a simple screenshot? --Last Malthusian 15:27, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added that gif from a limited choice. I had about two other options, one of which was his head cut out from the background at an odd angle, and another which was a bad photo'. The moving gif illustrates the visible effects of his cerebral palsy and the reason for some of the mockery. I was also impressed with its economy, especially in these days of www graphic bloat (It's a 38K file).DavidFarmbrough 09:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The animation is too short to illustrate how he actually moves - looped, it looks like he's on a bed zooming round and round in circles in front of endless ranks of grey-suited men, while shaking his head. Couldn't a single frame of that GIF be used? --Last Malthusian 10:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have done this, but it doesn't seem quite right - it just makes him look like Davros. If you compare the two, I still think the animated one is better. Perhaps someone can scan in a decent picture.
DavidFarmbrough 12:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These two images look the same to me. Either is better than the animated one, IMHO. Whilst it's entertianing, it dosn't really add much to the article. Naturenet | Talk 12:39, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What's with the animated GIF?

message: "His mother had a fall during pregnancy, which caused Joey's cerebral palsy."
Falling over causes cerebral palsy?
:It doesn't always happen, but it appears to have been the case here. DavidFarmbrough 06:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This does not make any sense, and I am removing the sentence. In the book (linked to), Mr Deacon mentions the fall but (rightly) does not go as far as to attempt to prove any kind of causality.Jimjamjak (talk) 12:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this really true? 

message: Blue Peter 1981? No no no. Ages before that. A (feature length?) dramatization of his life was shown in the mid-70's on the Beeb, and at primetime too. If this was the Horizon programme referenced then it was an unusually non-documentary one and I'm fairly confident the series wasn't around 30-odd years ago. So - anyone know? I cannot be the only one who remembers this. I was about 9 years old at the time and was astonished years later when people started referencing him as I knew nothing about the Blue Peter appearance. I'll see what I can find out but the admittedly few quick searches over the years haven't thrown up much so far. Plutonium27 23:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First brought to UK public attention 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Joeydeacon2.gif

message: I am concerned about how much of the cultural impact section has been lost. Joey is quite an important cultural icon and to remove about 3/4 of the citations really makes it look as though he wasn't important. I am going through the history and seeing what I can reinstate. If there are good arguments given for the removal, I will address them here. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 05:05, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the edits, they seem to have been done for lack of citation. I have now reinstated the missing sections partially and have added citations for all that were previously missing. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 05:53, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural Impact trimmed 

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message: The cultural impact of Joey Deacon's appearance on Blue Peter needs to be kept precisely because so many people were so horrible and insensitive.
Yes, Blue Peter's coverage of Joey Deacon really did result in him being widely mocked by schoolchildren, as confirmed by the references. It was a significant cultural phenomenon of the time, and so should be noted here.
The fact that many children were insensitive and quite frankly horrible in their attitudes towards him is no reason to remove the fact that this happened. On the contrary, it's the reason to include the information.
And after all, what use would any encyclopaedia be if it failed to include information about history which wasn't very nice?
If you personally are unaware of the historical use of "Joey" as a term of abuse - well, that just means you weren't around at the time. This is significant historical information which should be recorded. I was a child at the time and clearly recall how horrible many of my peers were towards Joey Deacon.
Do you really think that disabled people want information about cruel attitudes and behaviour towards disabled people glossed over or removed from the record? Ask yourself if you think that Jewish people want information about the Holocaust to be suppressed. Yes, in this case, bringing up a Nazi connection is justified: see Aktion T4.
Yes I know there are an awful lot of steps between "Joey" as a term of abuse to actual mass murder of the disabled, but it starts with the bad attitudes towards disabled people that led to people mocking Joey Deacon as they did.
Michael F 1967 (talk) 00:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue Peter and cultural impact