Talk:Enver Hoxha

message: As noted, this article has nothing about his personal life.
More than half is hagiography of his achievements and would more appropriately appear in an article about the communist period history of Albania.
That said a lot (most) of 'information' in the article is laughable and quite obvious propaganda.
I think any source published before the fall of communism has to be treated with incredible scepticism. Is the Kim Il Sung wiki article based on current North Korean propaganga? I don't think so. Is the Hitler article based on 1944 Nazi propaganda? Nope. This article is however half sourced from communist era tosh and soaked with ideology.  
Communist era statistics are basically completely useless, such as the ludicrous claim that syphilis was completely eliminated. Mortality 37% lower than in the rest of Europe? Yes, very believable.
Oh and Albania is responsible for China's UN seat? Rubbish.
Another piece of fantastic information sourced from something called 'Pollo and Puto, The History of Albania, p. 280.' - Albania was the world's first completely electrified country, achieving this 15 years before planned (wonderful turn of propaganda there). I guess the UK , USA and Western Europe were using gas lights in 1970.
--93.182.154.61 (talk) 11:52, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Awful article

message: The article hasn't nothing about the family of this communist. He had wife and sons.Agre22 (talk) 22:06, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: What was Enver Hoxha's Sex life like? I heard a rumor he had multiple partners along with his wife.--172.129.211.92 (talk) 02:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hoxha's Sex Life 

message: As a result of autarchy, Albania had a minimal foreign debt. This makes no sense to me. It would require equating a communist system of government, with autarchy (which I doubt holds water). Furthermore, I don't see how autarchy or communism of themselves would guarantee any particular level of foreign debt.  Rob Burbidge (talk) 15:29, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autarchy 

message: Hi. The sound file containing a smaple of the pronounciation of the name is corrupt. However the link just below works just fine. --Rui Gabriel Correia (talk) 22:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound file (pronounciation 

message: Speaks volumes that the tone and content of this entire article appears to have been dictated via the talk page by a Polish anti-communist subsequently banned for sockpuppetry. Perhaps when Wikipedia reflects anything other than the establishment, pro-market version of history it may be considered a genuine educational resource.
DublinDilettante (talk) 20:51, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typical of Wikipedia 

message: The sentence "All Albanians were required to obtain permits for the ownership of cars (which did not fall under private property[73]), refrigerators and typewriters among other things." doesn't seem to belong here. The implication being that owning a car is a human right.
Perhaps it might be of worth (with some more explanation) at Socialist People's Republic of Albania or Fundamentals of Marxism–Leninism, but it doesn't seem to belong in this article at all, so I am removing it. --Thehalfone (talk) 09:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually that sentence could be placed here, but it would be partly wrong, because you needed (and with some luck would obtain) permits for the ownership of televisions, refrigerators, washing machines, moto bikes, and typewriters, but you'd never get one to own a car. Futbollisti (talk) 19:55, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The section is POV, and I am tagging it as such. Lengthy, unattributed quotations from primary sources are not appropriate and should be removed. In addition, there needs to be the point of view of Albanian scholars writing during Hoxha's leadership about the state of human rights in the country.SadSwanSong (talk) 01:46, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

text: I'd imagine that'd be fairly difficult to do, either because it'd be in the Albanian language only or because they'd be contained in United Nations archives or other, more obscure sources. As it stands I don't think the article requires such a big section on the subject (though it obviously requires a mention) since this is meant to be a biography of Hoxha, not an analysis of his country. As noted I have plans to fully revise the article so it can become much more acceptable as a biography. --Mrdie (talk) 11:05, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Human rights should not be a big section on a biography of Hoxha? I cannot understand that reasoning. The bulk of this article must surely focus on his political career, and one of the biggest points to be said of his political career is that he used "iron" methods. So no, please don't reduce this section. Rather, EXPAND it.Nojamus (talk) 18:52, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Torture methods, reminisces of persons who were imprisoned for political reasons, and other things belong in other articles (e.g. ones about Albania during the socialist period.) The subject does deserve mention in the article, of course, but focused on the fact that in the West Hoxha was often criticized in this area. You wouldn't include detailed information on how Jews were gassed in the Hitler article alongside "Holocaust survivor recalled..." stuff, would you? I think you'd agree those details belong in other articles. --Ismail (talk) 16:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human rights 

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Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:57, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
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message: How come this article doesn't have a section dedicated to his legacy or contemporary assessments of his rule? Don't we always have something like that for articles about important historical figures? Charles Essie (talk) 02:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: 'The entire population' were assembled (in Tirana's largest square) - of the city, the country or what? Jackiespeel (talk) 09:08, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I spotted that too. Is it a recent edit? Sounds dubious to me or at the very least, ambiguous. Bennycat (talk) 02:51, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relations with the Soviet Union 

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message: At more than 10,000 words in its present, partially edited form, this article remains grossly bloated – much more detailed than its relatively minor historical subject merits.
I attempted to copy-edit the text, but got only about halfway through (4,000 words as edited).
I hope that some other disinterested (not uninterested) editor versed in Eastern European and Soviet history, and a native speaker of English, will take on a total rewrite of the article, holding its entire length to 2,000 to 3,000 words, as would be appropriate for English Wikipedia. 
Barring that, the article should be nominated for deletion.
I've had enough! – Sca (talk) 19:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Excessive length

message: The long standing version of the lead sentence of this article described Hoxha as "an Albanian communist revolutionary and statesman who served as the First Secretary of the Party of Labour of Albania, from 1941 until his death in 1985." Recently some have been swapping "revolutionary" for "dictator", such as with this edit. I believe labeling him both a dictator and statesman is redundant and POV. 
It should be noted that the lead sentences of the Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong articles are similar to the long standing version of this article, with Stalin being described as "a Georgian revolutionary and Soviet political leader who governed the Soviet Union from 1924 until his death in 1953," and Mao "a Chinese communist revolutionary who was the founding father of the People's Republic of China, which he ruled as the chairman of the Chinese Communist Party from the establishment of the PRC in 1949 until his death in 1976." Note the absense of highly POV terms like "dictator or "totalitarian". While some historians and commentators have described them as such, the apparent consensus is to omit such language from the lead, ostensibly in order to adhere to WP:NPOV. 
Using both of these articles as examples, I think the long standing version of this article should be restored, and POV language removed.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 15:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: "Dictator" or "revolutionary" in lead sentence?

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message: Some sentences say 1941 others say 1943. Which is it? Erinius (talk) 10:10, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the official History of the Party of Labour of Albania (1982 edition), when the party was founded in 1941 a "Central Committee (Provisional) composed of seven members was elected to lead the Party. Enver Hoxha was charged with heading it, though no secretary was appointed." Later the book states that in March 1943 a First National Conference of the party was held which elected Hoxha as the party's General Secretary. The book later states that the title of General Secretary was replaced in favor of First Secretary as a result of a decision of a plenary meeting of the party's Central Committee on July 12, 1954. --Ismail (talk) 11:36, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I see, so he was in charge of the party from the beginning, but the First Secretary position was only created later. Thanks Erinius (talk) 08:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  So... when did he become First Secretary? 

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message: I've reverted this removal of content from the first sentence in the lead section. This material (1) is very well cited (Cambridge Univ. Press-published book) and (2) seems to accurately describe the content that follows at a high level (which is the function of a lead section). What's the problem with this?  Pinging  and . Neutralitytalk 04:34, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  First sentence edit in the lead section 

message: The claim that Enver Pasha is the namesake of Enver Hoxha is only supported by a source that imitates the popular Vox_(website). It does not cite sources, it does not claim to dissipate academic knowledge. The expertise and reliability of the author of that piece, Ibrahim Resid, are dubious at best because no information other than his name is provided. It might as well be an alias.
The source, tr:Albayrak_Medya_Grubu, Albayrak_Group is known to have close ties with the current ruling party, AKP. Their editorial independence is questionable.
Until a better source is presented, I will remove that piece of information.
Cheers!
78c1HGxb6d (talk) 19:28, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree with you! FierakuiVërtet (talk) 20:32, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your support. I removed the information as discussed here. 78c1HGxb6d (talk) 22:55, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: The source for the namesake is not trustworthy

message: In the article lead, it states that Hoxha became First Secretary of the Party of Labour in 1943, but in the infobox it says he became First Secretary in 1941 at it's creation. Which one is correct? 1bcdbackup (talk) 19:33, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  1941 or 1943?