Talk:TNA World Championship/Archive 2

message: Check this out: http://www.tnawrestling.com/news/fullnews2.php?all=1415 MC511 01:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Banks says "I would say", that's not the same as "TNA says". TNA's own website says Cage is the first champion. Banks says some BS about Angle never officially winning the belt, then why does TNA call Angle a 2 time world champion? And Cage a 3 time champion? TJ Spyke 01:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps they're considering Cage's "undisputed" reign from May 13th and Angle's Dusty win as "interim" World Heavyweight title reigns and Angle's win at Slammiversary as a TNA World title win?  I don't know, just a thought I had, but Banks is I believe the editor of the TNA web site, and most signs from Jeremy Borash, to Don West to Mike Tenay point to Angle being credited as the first TNA World Champion. TonyFreakinAlmeida 17:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Banks said in his opinion. TNA's title page, Angle's profile, and Cage's profile all show Cage as the first champion. TJ Spyke 23:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Me, TNA, wrestlingtitles.com, and basically every other title history website. It looks like the only person claiming Angle is the first champ is Bill Banks. TJ Spyke 03:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Don West once again just said on Impact as Christian was making his entrance that he almost won the world title for the third time at Slammiversary.  It seems even TNA doesn't know what the title history is. TonyFreakinAlmeida 01:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Cage's official profile calls him a 3 time world champion and Angle's official profile calls him a 2 time world champion. They also said Angle was stripped of the title after Sacrifice, meaning he was champion (you can strip someone of a title they don't hold). Tony is right, TNA keeps sending mixed messages right now. TJ Spyke 03:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Except for the fact that TNA says both. Until TNA gets the situation cleared up, we should stick with what they originally said. TJ Spyke 05:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bill Banks says Angle is the first TNA Champion 

message: Check this out: http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/christiancage/index.html  Christian Cage is a 2-time World Heavyweight Champion in TNA, both under the NWA.  This means that now the title Christian was defending at Sacrifice was indeed the NWA World Title, despite being "stripped" by the NWA earlier that day online. TNA continued to still recognize it as an NWA reign rather than a TNA World Title reign. This would also have to mean that, Kurt won the NWA World Title that night. That reign can be disputed as unofficial. Kurt Angle is the first ever TNA World Heavyweight Champion, as of June 17, 2007 at Slammiversary. MC511 03:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: TNA has a history page up again: http://www.tnawrestling.com/info/history/tnaworldpreview.html They're recognizing Kurt as a former NWA World Heavyweight Champion. MC511 06:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Weird how they're recognizing Kurt's 1 day reign as an NWA title reign, they should just get rid of that since they've been trying to cover it up by saying he walked out of the building with the belt thinking he had won the match, and the announcers have said that he went for and won his first World Heavyweight Championship in TNA at Slammiversary.  From what I can gather, I'm betting that whoever is editing the title history keeps making a mistake and having to take it down because they're not being approved by the company. Why recognize a title win as an NWA title win when they didn't even have rights to that title? TonyFreakinAlmeida 14:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They had rights to the NWA titles until midnight of May 13, 2007. NWA breached the contractual agreement, so they were in the wrong, TNA is in the right to call Angle a former NWA Champion. MC511 20:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh-huh, your source? The NWA (who, you know, own the NWA Championship) do not consider Angle a former champion considering that they stripped Cage of the title earlier in the day. This is like Inoki trying to claim Angle is the IWGP Champion when he has no say over the IWGP Championship. I am not sure what we should do now about the title reigns, but Angle is not a former NWA Champion since TNA had no right to the title during the time of the PPV. Great, TNA continues to cause a mess for us. TJ Spyke 02:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Why the filename is called that, I am not sure, the link to the history isn't public on TNA's site yet, so I guess this means that it's not really official.  If TNA had the rights to the NWA titles til midnight, well I don't know, but sure I guess they can consider Angle a former world champion, even if for a day. TonyFreakinAlmeida 02:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's public now: http://www.tnawrestling.com/info/history/tnaworldtitle.html MC511 02:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also public that Christian is a 2-time World Champ in TNA, and Angle is a 2-time World Champ in TNA.  Christian both under NWA, Angle with 1 under NWA, and 1 under TNA. This is the most logical way of doing it too, finally they have come to a conclusion. MC511 02:36, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, cool, should Angle's "NWA" reign be recognized through this page's title history due to the NWA not recognizing it themselves? Also where do they link this page on their site?  I can't find it.  TonyFreakinAlmeida 02:48, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think they do link it, hence the name "testpage". TJ Spyke 02:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Angle is not a former NWA Champion since TNA no longer had the rights to the belt, and the NWA does not consider him a former champion. If TNA wanted to consider him a 2 time TNA Champion, that was fine. Now though, that reign will go the way of all those unofficial NWA Title reigns (like Bobo Brazil and Carlos Colon), make a note of it but erase it from stats pages (along with Cage's "TNA" Title reign). Angle can't win a title that doesn't exist anymore (since the NWA stripped Cage and Team 3D earlier that day). TJ Spyke 02:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Where does it say test page?  Page was live on both the preview and tnaworldtitle link just a second ago.  TonyFreakinAlmeida 03:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, I was looking at the old link. Well, maybe that is the official page and they just haven't added the links back. TJ Spyke 03:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Christian Cage = 2 time World Champion in TNA 

message: So angle was finnaly proven as first champion i assume? Like i said earlier werent you guys using the old tna title history that was taken down as what you were basing it on? well now the new title page is up and it lists angle as first champion. officially.--Tboneangle123 07:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angle FINALLY proven as first champion.

message: At Sacrifice, Christian Cage was stripped of the NWA title. Kurt Angle made Sting tap out. Then he was stripped of the title. Then Jim Cornette said that the "FIRST" champion will be crowned at Slammiversary. So that automatically make Kurt Angle the first tna champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.kay 1 (talk • contribs) 15:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We know. TonyFreakinAlmeida 23:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurt Angle IS the world champion 

message: In the latest “Ask TNAWrestling.com”, Bill Banks is asked a question regarding AJ Styles and him being a TNA Triple Crown winner.  Bill Banks bills AJ Styles as a former “TNA World Champion” and “TNA World Tag Team Champion”.  So to add more confusion to an already debatable topic, it looks like TNA Wrestling is recognizing former NWA Champions as former TNA Champions.
 Q: I was wondering since AJ Styles is the only other triple crown winner, did he ever hold every single title at the same time?
Brett Farrelly Guelph, Ontario, Canada
BILL BANKS: No, AJ did not hold every championship at the same time. In fact, AJ has captured the TNA World, X and Tag Team Championships on multiple occasions, making him a three-time Triple Crown winner – a record which probably won’t be broken anytime soon. AJ achieved his first triple-crown during TNA’s first year, as he become the first X Champion, captured the Tag Team Title then defeated Jeff Jarrett and Raven for the World Title in June 2003. TNAWrestling 17:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, he can refer to it, but it doesn't mean it was the TNA world title. What he should have said was "TNA's world title", which is probably what he meant, even if it was the NWA title at the time. Remember, they're still expanding, and many casual viewers might not even know about the NWA/TNA relationship. Projectmayhem44 20:04, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They can say whatever they want to. Just remember, what's the benefit to TNA to still be using the NWA name? None, hence why they want to distance themselves. It's definetly not 2002 anymore. Projectmayhem44 21:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AJ Styles recognized as TNA World Champion 

message: The 2007 Sacrifice DVD is out and the cover has a picture of Sting,Angle and Cage all looking at the new TNA Title belt. But on the back of the DVD the NWA title match is Listed simply as for the "World heavyweight Championship". We all know that TNA considers this a NWA title match and they recognize Angle as the first TNA world champion. I think this is basicaly the same thing as to why they call AJ STYLES a former TNA World Champion even though he isnt, because i guess TNA cant even reference the NWA anymore. Kind of like if you watch the NEW WWE DVDS how they have to Change all there graphics and commentary to say WWE instead of WWF,like they cant say WWF even if it happened in the past.--71.139.28.58 04:51, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe they can. Remember, WWE can't use WWF by court injunction, TNA just ended its business relationship with NWA. I personally think its because they are trying to establish themselves as a major company, and the fact that their major title wasn't their own as of just a few months ago might be a sore spot. I know I'd diminish the fact if I was in control as well. The NWA title doesn't mean what it used to, as even the ROH title is worth much more in many fan's eyes. I wouldn't be surprised if the NWA title loses world status soon. Projectmayhem44 23:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NWA title will no doubt lose world status as it just won't have the exposure that it did when it was representing TNA's world title.  TNA most definitely can refer to the old NWA World Heavyweight Championship, but will they?  Probably not, they'll refer to Jeff Jarrett, AJ Styles, Abyss, Sting and everyone else who they crowned NWA World Champions as former World Heavyweight Champions, just like they refer to those who have held past NWA tag and heavyweight titles on their roster pages, World Tag and World Heavyweight Champions. TonyFreakinAlmeida 18:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Pretty much. I think by saying "TNA champion", they're sometimes meaning "champion of TNA", regardless of what belt they held. They're right, in a way, it just doesn't stop it from being slightly annoying. It's kind of like lately WWE has only been refering to the smackdown belt as the "world championship" instead of the proper "world heavyweight championship". I guess they can all vary when they feel like it. Projectmayhem44 21:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Can TNA use the NWA name still in reference?

message: Is there really a need for a list page at the moment? There's only been three champions. Give it a year, and then recreate it. The [ROH World Championship]] contains a list. Same with NHL trophy pages, like the Hart Memorial Trophy, which is an FL. -- Scorpion0422 20:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: It appears that TNA Sacrifice 2007 was for the TNA World Heavyweight Title after all.  Check this link out for the preview of this DVD: http://www.tnawrestling.com/news/fullnews2.php?all=1482  The cover also displays the TNA World Heavyweight Title, and the preview says, "The DVD features the event in its entirety, including the TNA World Heavyweight Championship match with Kurt Angle vs. Christian Cage vs. Sting."
Also, someone here incorrectly said that Don West at Slammiversary said that Kurt Angle was the "first ever TNA World Heavyweight Champion," he did not say that, he said he was the "first pure TNA World Heavyweight Champion," meaning this was the first TNA World Champion not sanctioned by the NWA.
With this confusion finally being resolved, it is now safe to say that Christian Cage was defending the TNA World Heavyweight Title at Sacrifice, still carrying that hardware of the NWA World Heavyweight Title.  Just as Ric Flair did in 1991 when carrying the actual NWA World Heavyweight Title, but it was in fact the WCW International World Title because the NWA and WCW had split that day, just as TNA and NWA did at Sacrifice.
Also, we can gather that the 2 World Titles that TNA is counting towards Kurt Angle is the win at Sacrifice and Slammiversary.  Although the Sacrifice win is not credited towards an NWA reign, despite winning the actual hardware, it is the TNA World Title, again, similar to when Rick Rude won the NWA World Title hardware in 1991, but in actuality it was the WCW International World Title.
Kurt was stripped on iMPACT! following the PPV because of the controversy surrounding his win at Sacrifice.  So when he won the title back at Slammiversary, he was not the "first ever" champion, but he was the "first pure" champion, first clear cut champion.  MC511 09:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sacrifice 2007 was for the "TNA" World Title