Talk:Docking (dog)

message: I wrote: "Show dogs of many breeds are still routinely docked in the UK." and miss-spelt "routinely".  My spell checker corrected it to: "Show dogs of many breeds are still rottenly docked in the UK." -  which sums up my views quite well I think ;)  Which is another way of saying - "please check for NPOV"
I've tried for a pro/anti balance in the links, but they are rather UK centred so some more worldwide links would also be useful
The article is rather dog based too (not surprising considering the first two authors).  Maybe this needs more on docking in other animals too (sheep? pigs?) but most of the discussion on the subject relates to dogs so I'm not sure what we can say on that subject.
-- sannse (talk) 23:03, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Just N-pov'd the 'criticisms' section and pegged it to two published sources. The preceding version asserted some of the critical argument's evidence as if to treat it as fact. Since all those claims about animal behaviour and physiology are reputably in dispute, I think it's fairest to 'outsource' the disagreement, with plenty of reference. Adhib 16:55, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work Adhib, that's nicely done, thanks -- sannse (talk) 17:19, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I also like the addition of the list by country. Very helpful.  Elf | Talk 19:41, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: What is the purpose of the (in)Human punishment section?  Since the article is "docking (animals)" isn't ear cropping as a form of corporal punishment outside it's scope?
*Man IS an animal, of the zoological order of Primates, and when he practices docking for such arbitrary reasons as esthetics a particularly 'beastly' one; when suffering similar maiming (or branding etc.), he's also treated like just another animal.
This section is clearly misplaced. I am not commenting on its validity, simply on its placement here where it clearly does NOT belong.  Humans are not animals in the sense intended here.  Surely there are much more appropriate Wikipedia articles? Anyone interested in cruel and unusual human punishments would NOT look here! Quill 06:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *This is not an 'emotional hickup'(sic).  The emotional argument is yours: you're mixing concepts, in this case human bestiality and animal husbandry---adding a non sequitur in a ridiculous manner in a ridiculous place.  Do not let your repugnance blind you to logic: the fact is that no one would reasonably look for your concepts in an article with this title.  This is why Wikipedia is not taken seriously. Quill 22:20, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fastifex, what does this mean "such as the synynymous emaning of cropping- are exclicitly used in sources on the punishment"?  Is English not your first language? Docking of animals and human ear mutilation ARE NOT THE SAME THING!!!
Removed section- Make a Human docking article if you want to-and rewrite it, it is not very clear. FancyPants 16:10, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: This section has a large amount of dispute on this talk page.  It should not be in the article until agreement is reached here.  The first thing I would suggest is to show some source where the term "docking" is used to refer to the items disscussed in this section. Please do not add this section back to the article without such sources.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 22:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  (In)Human Punishment? 

message: Reading this made me feel sick, how the fuck can people do that too dogs??? What the fuck is wrong with the Paris Hiltons of this fucking world! 58.107.175.127 04:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong 

message: At least in the case of boxers, the tails are docked to prevent them from injuring themselves-- boxer tails are very thin and thus if left undocked could easily be broken. Jtrainor 11:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A small note 

message: throughout most of the article it seems as though it is assumed the topic is Docking (dogs) rather than Docking (animals). Especially in regards to the legal status section - which is most likely a list of the legal status of docking dogs tails (certainly in Australia it is legal to dock sheep and pigs). This bias needs extensive reworking to remove, or most of the content could be moved to Docking (dog) leaving a more general article behind.Garrie 02:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a second proposal: Move /*Docking in Agriculture*/ to just below /*History of Docking*/, then below that make a section /*Docking of Dogs*/ and downgrade every heading relating to dogs by one level.Garrie 21:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: In the absence of dissenting comment - I will follow on with my first proposal. It is easier to implement (will move the article to Docking (dogs), recreate Docking (animals), move required content back to this article)Garrie 04:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog vs agricultural docking 

message: Hi there.  I will do this myself this weekend if no one else does, but is someone aware that this article talks about the UK laws on docking very incosistantly?  The Animal Welfare Act (which has now come into force) has been mentioned, and the country's stance has been changed in the list, but no one as altered the main sub text which covers it in more detail (it currently says docking is allowed under certain loose conditions, which was the status before and has now changed).  
Also, a small point, but its the Animal Welfare Act *2007* not 2006.
--The Wizard of Magicland 09:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New UK Status 

message: The few hunting breeds that are not docked, including English Pointers and the Setter breeds, may have chronic injuries to the tips of their tails. Such injuries cause continuing pain and discomfort and are at risk of infection throughout their lives.
Does this mean that undocked hunting dogs may sustain chronic injuries because their tails are long, or that they are not docked because docking may cause chronic injuries? —Michael Z. 2007-08-13 19:11 Z
:It means that these breeds are at greater risk for chronic injury because their tails are not docked. That statement could use a reference.  --Joelmills 01:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have sources to cite, but I have to say as a veterinarian who's been practicing for almost 15 years with a patient group that includes a lot of hunting dogs that this statement is not consistent with my experience.  I don't see an inordinate number of tail injuries in hunting dogs with undocked tails. NotThatKat (talk) 02:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear wording 

message: I've removed the following paragraph:
Some people believe that docking a dog's tail is a cruel practice. They believe that if a dog is performing its job—such as hunting—then it is fine to dock the tail; if the dog of the same breed is in a home where it doesn't do the job, however, then docking is not necessary. Some people believe that, if a newborn puppy's tail is docked without the use of anesthesia, the puppies are put through much pain. The newborn can't express pain clearly, so most breeders seem to think the puppies don't feel a thing.
It had very little to do with the "History of docking and cropping" and uses weasel words.  The criticisms are addressed in the "Current status" section anyway.   Benstrider (talk) 01:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed paragraph

message: surely the simplest solution would be to just breed dogs with short tails from birth? Then everyones happy. --86.144.102.226 (talk) 00:57, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It would make a portion of current "breedable" dogs become unsuitable for breeding. Everyone happy, but breeders.--165.21.154.89 (talk) 15:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It would presumably take many generations. The current dogs would form the original stock, but by the time it's finished that original stock would have all short tailed descendents. --86.135.178.19 (talk) 17:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't understand 

message: do they feed them to cats?  do they feed them to little shrimp heads?  do they put them in big stew pots (little boys are made of..)? do they regenerate them?  wheres that book?  Why don't they answer the question?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.239.230 (talk) 11:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What do they do with the animal parts?

message: There are two Rep of Ireland sections. One says "Unrestricted", the other says, "Unrestricted in dogs". Neither section is referenced so question is which is it. ~ R.T.G 22:56, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 Republic of Ireland sections in the law list 

message: Some of the countries have banned docking if done for cosmetic purposes. Some breeds, however, are docked for medical purposes, such as Vizslas, whose tail tapers too thinly past about 70% the length of the tail, or as was mentioned up higher, Boxers, who often have a thin tail. Perhaps a mention could be made within the article of some more medical reasons for docking, for a more neutral point of view within the article. While some people oppose docking and some people advocate it, some more still support it only for medical purposes, where docking inarguably prevents more harm than it has been argued to cause. 99.146.100.166 (talk) 18:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Include breeds that are docked for medical reasons? 

message: The whole page seems to be lacking references, especially the 'Legal Status' section which only has one citation (not including the 'Legal status of dog tail docking and ear cropping by country' table).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.100.248.117 (talk) 01:54, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not enough references 

message: The table (and associated image) seem to be inconsistent in their use of banned/restricted. For example, England and Wales are listed as restricted (working dogs may be docked by a vet) and Germany is listed as banned (except gun dogs). Would there be objections to changing England and Wales to the banned with few exceptions? Previous discussion of the status in the UK issue in talk: seems to be many years out of date, it certainly isn't considered normal now. MatthewWilkes (talk) 01:10, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency in restricted/banned application 

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message: Proposed new section or new page "Naturally Occurring Bob Tails in Dogs" which occur as a homozygous embryonic lethal dominant mutation in some of the breeds that have been historically docked when born normal-tailed.24.129.225.118 (talk) 00:05, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naturally Occurring Bob Tails 

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message: Hi, wondering if we should add a paragraph about Ear Docking of dogs, not just tail docking?  What do you think? Blockhouse321 (talk) 17:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Ear docking

message: "terriers can become stuck underground, necessitating being pulled out by the tail, in which case the docked tail protects the dog from spinal injury or trauma."
this line makes literally 0 sense, and reads like some really brain dead justification of this practice. They need to be able to pull on the tail in emergencies, and don't want to cause injury.... So they cut it off beforehand? Is this magic? 47.54.237.189 (talk) 21:22, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Docking a tail so it can be pulled on?