Talk:Full English breakfast

message: : The bacon is traditionally fried and the eggs are served "sunny side up". The American custom of asking "how would you like your eggs?" is relatively uncommon in Britain, but poached or scrambled eggs and perhaps grilled bacon may be offered as alternatives.
I'm changing the above because it assumes the reader is Usian. How many other countries use the phrase "sunny side up"? I've made a link further up to fried egg, so we can mention the various ways of frying eggs there. -- Tarquin 15:27 Feb 10, 2003 (UTC)
:Fair enough, I'm usually the first one to say "Don't assume an American audience", but I thought I'd make it clear that most of the time your eggs come "sunny side up" and there's no argument (particularly in cafe or in someone's home). Mintguy
:: Yup, but non-US audiences don't know what "sunny side up" means. We need some way of explaining how they are cooked that doesn't use that expression -- Tarquin
Wouldn't you say that a "continental breakfast" usually includes toast rather than croissants?  --KF 15:30 Feb 10, 2003 (UTC)
:I originally had "oast and or crossants" but didn't like the phrase. In my experience hotels usually offer croissants these days. Mintguy
::Just for info, in Italy the "continental breakfast" usually includes a horrible sort of dried spongecake, with no option for toast or croissants. -- Chris Q 15:53 Feb 10, 2003 (UTC)
Duplicate information at Irish breakfast needs to be incorporated into this entry.
The traditional Irish breakfast, usually consists of pork sausages (fried), bacon rashers (fried), egg(s) (also fried) and black & white pudding (fried). (Blood sausage).
This breakfast is usually eaten with toast and tea. Other items can be included, such as hash browns (fried chopped potato cakes), mushrooms (fried), fried tomato. Essentially if you can fry it - it's a candidate!
The Irish breakfast is distinguished from the English breakfast by its inclusion of puddings, and omission of baked beans. Breakfasts with these ingredients are however, common in both countries.
The traditional Ulster fry is a further distinction from an Irish breakfast. It will always include potato farls (potato bread) and fried soda farls (flat bread with baking soda not yeast). Generally puddings are not as common, but mushrooms and tomatoes possibly more so.
Any self-respecting Irish hotel is guaranteed to serve an Irish breakfast fit for a king. For a hefty sum, one can also procure a fine culinary delight aboard many trains in Ireland.
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Full English breakfast is not an appropriate place for Irish breakfast entry. But possibly merging the two under traditional fry-up will work.
Zoney 23:21, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely though, a fry-up is any fried meal?  If I cooked a big plate of chips and eggs, I could call that a fry-up.  I feel a bit like we're creating a term which doesn't exist here. Couldn't they eaqch have their own articles which link to each other for the sake of completeness?  fabiform | talk 00:03, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There were originally two articles! An Irish breakfast is a seperate entity altogether! Zoney 00:19, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: One sentence in an article about kippers and kidneys and beans and what-have-you. An Irish breakfast is not the same thing at all at all.Zoney 00:19, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Sam Spade, if you are SURE the others are taking your personal remarks as light-hearted humor, go ahead. But be careful: sarcasm and humor can easily be misunderstood even with smileys :-O --Uncle Ed 20:51, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies to you sir, I might have forgotten me manners, perhaps the lateness of the day, and the emptiness of me stomach... a good Irish breakfast in the mornin' 'ill have me right as rain! A good day to you until then sir. 8-D+ Sam Spade 05:03, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Manners

message: I've edited the entry to remove the 'does it really exist' emphasis. It certainly does and I have tried to put it in a more correct and a more contempory social context. 
I agree that the page should be renamed "Traditional 'fry-up'". To anybody who is familiar with common parlence, a 'fry-up' is never just going to be food: fried, as the connotations are unequivocally aligned with a specific type of breakfast fare. Importantly, the definition of a fry-up subsumes the definition of a full-english, which, as the article states, requires a fair number of ingredients. So, a fry-up may be a full English, but mostly on cafe menus and when people at home are feeling particularly idulgent. As a breakfast, the term 'fry-up' has a far more concrete meaning to far more regular people eating at home than 'full english' does. And what people use at home carries more significance than what is sold in restaurants. No English person uses 'full English' more than 'fry-up', which makes it as bizarre as the term 'French Toast' to a Frenchman.
The article could continue to differentiate between Irish, Welsh, Scotish and English fry-ups. Jamescole1980
* In my part of England, the term 'fry up' means Bubble and squeak 80.229.14.246 19:57, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Full English as 'Mythic' 

message: ...aren't English, but a relatively recent American import. I'd give baked beans a place in it, but not hash browns.
--MacRusgail 19:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've recently read that Hash browns were actually an American copy of a Scotish tradition.. I don't know how much truth there is behind that, though... Helzagood 16:39, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's possible, but I don't recall coming across them much in the UK, except as an exoticism, pre-1980s. --MacRusgail 18:00, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hash browns 

message: A recent contributor keeps persisting in making out that bubble 'n squeak is not a southern thing, (I presume that they mean just northern). But it's been a southern breakfast staple ever since I was a kid, both inside and outside London. And I've never known know a caf in London that does not offer bubble - that's London bubble in my pic, right there. Just though I'd try and alert people to these gratuitous changes, should they recur. Tarquin Binary 22:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still unconvinced. But you did originally say 'the north'. London is in the south. Compromise on south coast if it makes you happy (though I am therefrom originally too, and remember bubble in cafs), whatever, I feel a bit silly getting steamed over a minor point really. Tarquin Binary 15:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Lol. it is a bit silly really - all this over such a little thing! Helzagood 16:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's WP for you, more common than not. I'm usually calmer about trivia, but had a bad week. Hey, but it's Friday now, yippee... Tarquin Binary 17:15, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bubble

message: "Whether the fry-up is accompanied by orange juice and usually an abundant supply of tea or coffee". Coffee? COFFEE? The notion that a fry can be enjoyed with anything other than a fine cup of tea is completely barbaric :-) Bedesboy 18:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I beg to differ.  When being applied medicinally as a hangover cure, the required accompaniment is strong black coffee, to enhance the anti-hangover effect :-)  -- AJR | Talk 16:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beverages 

message: Further to the Irish chat above- It is not particularly correct to redirect to this article from Scottish breakfast. Bacon originated in Italy or Spain, and fried eggs are multicultural. I have yet to hear of anywhere south of Carlisle/Berwick that one can experience the pleasures of Square sausage, Fried Dumpling, Red pudding and all the rest of the greasy scenario north of the Tweed. This will be rectified at some point soon, unless there are any objections? Brendandh 18:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hmmm? a bit of blatant Anglocentrism 

message: I made a merge of the Irish breakfast and the Full English breakfast pages at Full breakfast. Is it okay to blank the Full English breakfast and Irish breakfast pages and redirect them (and Scottish breakfast and Welsh breakfast) there? I included references to Ulster fry in the merged article but as discussed that page will not be merged. --sony-youthtalk 21:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge