Talk:Valley Forge Military Academy and College

message: keep an eye out for a promotion from colonel to brigadier general.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:H._R._McMaster&oldid=216768875#McMaster.27s_promotion
199.184.238.231 (talk) 03:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  H. R. McMaster 

message: 03:37, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Prayer at Valley Forge 

message: Blue uniforms with different facing colors, among them buff, were selected for uniform wear by General Washington, for the Continental Army during the American Revolution.  Buff and blue uniform colors were those of the Commander-in-Chief's Guard, formed March 12, 1776. (Reference:  The Continental Army Uniform by John C. Fitzpatrick, A.M., Assistant Chief, Manuscript Division, Library of Congress; Daughters of the American Revolution Magazine, 1920)  LTG Baker chose the colors for Valley Forge Military Academy because of their immediate visual association with the Continental Army, consistent with traditional Revolutionary War heraldry.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.103.102.170 (talk) 02:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  School Colors 

message: I am pushing the assessment of this article to a "C" class, after a request was filed at the School Project.  This article has multiple problems that need to be remedied before moving to a "B" class, but it has developed to the point, and is referenced enough to move beyond "start".  I strongly urge editors to consider the following when improving the article:
*The "B" Class criteria for articles
*Limitations on including alumni; that is, alumni need to be the subjects of articles, or eligible (under [[WP:BIO or WP:N) for an article to be included as a notable alum.  I noted many red linked alumni, so that list may need to be reviewed.
*What not to include in school articles.
*In general, lyrics to school songs may be copyright issues.  Even if they are not, they are generally frowned upon because they are not encyclopedic, and/or take up a great deal of space in the article.
*There needs to be substantial improvement in referencing, especially in in-line citing of material.
This truly looks to be a special school, and I wish all editors working here the best.  If you have some questions regarding my assessment, please drop me a line.  If you disagree with the assessment, please feel free to re-list it for assessment by another editor.  Best wishes! LonelyBeacon (talk) 05:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: Apparently an anonymous IP has seen fit to simply hit WP:UNDO on article improvements, destroying noncontroversial changes along with whatever non-specific issues that editor had.  So that my edits this time are clear, I am listing them explicitly here.  (Apologies to experienced editors — all of these changes are probably self-evident.)  There are also other changes, such as wikification and non-controversial maintenance, for which removal would simply be WP:Vandalism.
The following have been removed as they have no WP:RS and are blatantly non-neutral:
;historically referred as "Little West Point"
:According to themselves?  No WP:RS, and putting quotes around a non-neutral source's statement doesn't make it become neutral even if it is sourced.
;self-styled as The Finest Institution of its Kind in the World
:...explicitly according to themselves.  No WP:RS, and putting quotes around a non-neutral source's statement doesn't make it become neutral even if it is sourced.
;is home to the nation's "Best Army ROTC Early Commissioning Program."
:According to themselves?  No WP:RS, and putting quotes around a non-neutral source's statement doesn't make it become neutral even if it is sourced.
;VFMA&C's administration is composed almost entirely of distinguished current or retired military
:Distinguished how, and according to whom are these more distinguished than anyone else?
;Alumni often attend some of the nation's most prestigious colleges and universities,
:So do kids from community colleges.  Completely non-neutral distinction again: no evidence of any standard for "often", "some", or "prestigious" other than editors' own biases.
The following have been removed because they appear to be excessive non-[[WP:NPOV|neutral] cut-and-paste:
;"The emblem typifies the spirit and motive principles of the Academy.  The sword has always been the symbol of the military; the act of General Washington kneeling at prayer in the snow is the symbol of humility and indomitable faith in the face of adversity."
:Essay-like attempt to associate the school with positive qualities – not WP:NPOV; excessive cut-and-paste.
The following have been removed:
* The excessive details of every rank for every type of uniform has been removed per WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG#WNTI.
* "Frequent" has been removed from "Middle School cadets take frequent field trips to off-campus sites" because there is no citation or comparison with other schools.
* "Most recently" on a press release that wasn't 5 minutes ago.
The following have been reworded because they are violations of WP:NPOV:
;The most astounding increase, +270% to be exact, is with the women in the college. In 2008–2009 the college enrolled a total of 10 women, this year the school welcomed 37 new and returning women into the college.
:No evidence this is astounding, unless the editor has WP:RS to show reason why someone would be astounded — maybe for the same reason there is no reliable source that they were "welcomed" either.
;The Plebe system is what ties alumni together as they become members of the "Long Line of Grey."
:Nonspecific and non-neutral.
;which was generously donated by the Richard King Mellon family
:"Generously" removed: either superfluous or uncited; take your pick.
:The singing of school songs are an important tradition at VFMAC.
;No WP:RS.  (And organizations are not WP:RS for whether their own traditions are "important".)
;The Academy’s academic strength comes from the amount of age-appropriate support provided for students at specific grade levels.
:No WP:RS and devoid of any apparent meaning.  (What does the editor think the other thousands of schools in the world have grade levels for?)
;due to the wide variety of Advanced Placement, elective, and college classes qualified cadets enroll in.
:No WP:RS or any other reliable comparisons for "wide variety"
The following have been tagged because the meaning is not clear:
;VFMA&C and the Duke of York's Royal Military School, United Kingdom have become sister institutions.
:So they are owned by the same people now?  Or is it like sister cities?
;Colonel John Ford, VFMA&C
;Colonel John E. Steele, Jr., Valley Forge Military Academy & College 
;Colonel D. Keith Feltham, Valley Forge Military Academy & College
:Unclear whether "Colonel" is a rank awarded by an external authority, or internally awarded by the Academy.  If it is internally awarded, is it a violation of Wikipedia:Honorifics (and possibly WP:NPOV) to have privately-assigned honorifics on those people's names?
; The band was the lead group in the 2009 Lord Mayor's New Year's Day Parade in London, England.
: I assume this is the New Year's Day Parade but it is not linked, and the citation is a dead link.
; B-flat soprano trumpets ... and two E-flat soprano trumpets
: Piccolo trumpet says soprano trumpets are D.  Trumpet says "Trumpets pitched in the key of low G are also called sopranos, or soprano bugles, after their adaptation from military bugles"
; In the Pre-College Experience, team-teaching dissolves
: Dissolves?!  Decreases over the year, doesn't exist at all, or what?
The following have been tagged because they are claims of quality without WP:RS citations:
;Valley Forge Military College has the largest number of West Point Prepsters out of all the West Point approved Prepster programs in the country, with 18 currently enrolled.
:No citation for this or any other Prepster programs' student counts, therefore no evidence of "largest".
;The Valley Forge Military Academy & College Regimental Band is world famous
:No WP:RS; no criteria for "world famous".
;Valley Forge Military Academy provides detailed information concerning its academic program.
:No evidence of any difference from other institutions.
;Cadets who show proficiency in college courses greatly distinguish themselves in the college admission process.
:As opposed to where?
Sorry to waste everyone else's time, but apparently someone needs to have reasons explained to them.  As for the anonymous IP that is running wild: hopefully that person will read WP:PROVEIT (among other things) before editing further. --Closeapple (talk) 13:11, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: June 2010 edit

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Can somebody who knows please add the costs (does everybody have to live on-campus?) and fees?  Thanks in advance.Betathetapi545 (talk) 08:19, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cost / fees 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The recent controversy of Tom Cruise's so called "rant" during Mission Impossible 7 sounds a lot like an old-fashioned VFMA&C "chewing-out" for group misconduct.  He learned a lot more by portraying Cadet Captain Shawn of BHMA in Taps than one might think.  If you notice, there are several components to his discussion with the crew.  First, he was loud but his voice was controlled.  Second, he told the crew that the conduct was not acceptable.  Third, he told them why the conduct was not acceptable.  Fourth, he told the crew that there would be a consequence for repetition of the behavior.  Fifth, he repeated that the conduct was not acceptable.  His group sized reprimand was right out of the 1960's-1980's discipline at a military school.  Incidentally, has anyone ever noticed how Mr. Cruise stood at attention during the Board of Inquiry in Top Gunafter "Goose" was killed?  LT Mitchell's position of attention was "perfect." It's interesting that what seems to "shock the conscience" of the media, today, was common-place a half a century ago.  Just an old man's two-cents worth; no official opinion of what happened long-ago.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.106.231.53 (talk) 17:23, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  VFMAC in film 

message: Since when is Title IX actually Title XI?  In other words, how and why is what is universally known in USA academic circles as Title Nine actually Title Eleven?  If it is, it merits discussion in the text.  If it is not, then is this in fact an elaborate form of vandalism?  01:49, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title XI? 

message: I looked at that page, it's a lot of undocumented hearsay, it doesn't really belong as a source on this page. It also presents contradictory info; Tom Cruise wasn't originally cast in a starring role, and won it out of precision drilling every day in training, so it seems unlikely that he would have "chosen to training for his hotel room" when his exact level of participation in the film was still in question. 72.88.243.65 (talk) 04:32, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom cruise fan page as a source?