Talk:Waistcoat

message: The article originally said that a waistcoat is "sometimes" called a vest or vestee in Canada and the United States.  As a Canadian who has studied North American fashion for some time it is my experience that since the 1960s the vast majority of North Americans use the term "vest" instead of "waistcoat".  A quick Google search of "suit waistcoat" vs "suit vest" bring up mostly UK sites for the former and US sites for the latter (including The New York Times and Brooks Brothers, sources highly familiar with American English and American menswear).  As for "vestee" I have never encountered this term before either in conversation or in print.  A Google search suggests I'm not alone as the results are primarily definitions of the word and it appears the few sites that actually use the word in a larger context use it to describe a sort of dickey, not a suit waistcoat.  I have therefore changed the sentence to state that "a waistcoat is usually called a vest in Canada and the United States".Peter Marshall (talk) 14:58, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See this link at "Annals of Iowa, April 1911", and in particular this quote: "And final mark of gala day attire, the fawn-skin 'wescot' or vest. This, from the skin of the beautiful spotted fawns we killed, made a handsome addition to an otherwise appropriate costume (hardly, though, for the month of August)." -- TheEditrix2 10:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The modern pronunciation, lit. 'waist coat', is a sad sign of the times, nothing more. 'Weskit' is correct.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.130.84 (talk) 00:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Have cleaned up the pronunciations. 'Wesket' is not exclusive to NA nor is 'waistcoat' exclusive to Commonwealth English. Also, I have removed the badly added sentence at the end of the paragraph stating that it is pronounced 'ascot' in an English accent. eyeball226 (talk) 16:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Vest, Vestee

message: Perhaps somebody more knowledgeable than me might like to comment on the history and current usage of the pronunciation "weskit". --Oxonian2006 08:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See this link at "Annals of Iowa, April 1911", and in particular this quote: "And final mark of gala day attire, the fawn-skin 'wescot' or vest. This, from the skin of the beautiful spotted fawns we killed, made a handsome addition to an otherwise appropriate costume (hardly, though, for the month of August)." -- TheEditrix2 10:51, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The modern pronunciation, lit. 'waist coat', is a sad sign of the times, nothing more. 'Weskit' is correct.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.130.84 (talk) 00:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Have cleaned up the pronunciations. 'Wesket' is not exclusive to NA nor is 'waistcoat' exclusive to Commonwealth English. Also, I have removed the badly added sentence at the end of the paragraph stating that it is pronounced 'ascot' in an English accent. eyeball226 (talk) 16:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: In George Sala's story in Charles Dickens's The Haunted House, the narrator refers to the waistcoat of his potential father in law as a synecdoche of the man's great wealth.  Perhaps the origin of that usage should be explained on this page.  --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 21:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Monetary euphemism

message: Whats another Name for a Half-Vest (A Waistcoat that cuts off at the ribcage, leaving the belly exposed)? Arkkeeper (talk) 17:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never heard of a half-vest. A waistcoat comes down to an inch or two below the waistline, and overlaps with the trousers, fully covering their waistband.  There is to my knowledge no other correct length for day waistcoats. —Kan8eDie (talk) 21:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Half-Vest 

message: BTw the tehnically it is weskit. I tjhink it is in Shapespeare somewhere in that form. Waistcoat is kinda a back formation, i.e. people assumed it was a coat round your waist, but it is weskit originally.
SimonTrew (talk) 19:56, 15 February 2009 (UTC
kandie it is weskit and I have OED. Not sure what to do with this now.
We will get there between us. Kandi I don't think you should have removed that where you don't know.
SimonTrew (talk) 13:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am just going from memory-- I think in Fowler it is so mentioned as false etymology. That would be 2nd edition. Unfortunately my copy is at work so I can't confirm this right mow. Fowler version 3 is useless. My Collins Concise gives it as "An informal name for waiscoat", with no etymology. It is not listed in my Oxford Concise, Websters or other lexicons.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew (talk • contribs) 17:55, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: I think we needn't embarrass the poor fellow in the bottom photo by showing his badly fit waistcoat for all to see! Perhaps we could replace this with a picture of a waistcoat fitting properly? --71.202.175.210 (talk) 07:41, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How about ? Racconish  Tk   08:56, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poorly Fitted Illustration 

message: "Undoing the bottom button... This convention only applies to single-breasted day waistcoats and not double breasted, evening, straight-hem or livery waistcoats that are all fully buttoned." Does anybody have any idea what fully buttoned actually means? PizzaMan (talk) 14:07, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fully buttoned??? 

message: Would it be appropriate to add a waistcoat related limerick (Edward Lear) and some lines from "The Hunting of the Snark" (Lewis Carroll) to the article?
There was an old man of Port Grigor,
Whose actions were noted for vigour;
He stood on his head
till his waistcoat turned red,
That eclectic old man of Port Grigor.
(Edward Lear, 1872)
He was black in the face,
and they scarcely could trace
The least likeness to what he had been:
While so great was his fright
that his waistcoat turned white -
A wonderful thing to be seen!
(Lewis Carroll, from "The Hunting of the Snark", 1876)
--DL5MDA (talk) 16:44, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Waistcoat Poetry 

message: I see that a merger of Vest to Waistcoat was proposed by another editor a while back but there seems to be no discussion for it, so here is one. 
* Support - the two topics are effectively identical, both talking about the short sleeveless jacket often worn under a suit jacket, etc, with a history in England. The coverage of the two articles is also similar, but a detailed merge will be necessary as the sources and illustrations are different. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merger

message: Is it a vest too?
-- Kürschner (talk) 07:27, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do you call this? 

message: In the History section, we have the fragment "However, while the vest died out in elite city spaces, it is said to hav"
I cannot fix this at present - could another? 85.255.233.15 (talk) 21:10, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed, thanks for pointing it out! Schazjmd (talk) 21:31, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in History section