Talk:Wonton noodles

message: Wantan Mee: 10,300 hits in Google Search.
Wan Tan Mee: 936 hits in Google Search.
:I would say neither. I have never even seen the first word spelt "wanton". I have always seen it spelt "wonton" (English "won" + English "ton"), at least here in Canada.
:Maybe this is a Singaporean spelling…—Gniw (Wing) 08:27, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the only time I've seen such a spelling is in Singapore and Malaysia, probably due to a larger Hokkien influence there.--Yuje 09:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wantan OR Wan Tan? 

message: Is dried flounder(a fish) used to prepare the soup in Hong Kong or is it a typo error?Wai Hong 12:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Flounder]] used in soup?

message: I think the title of this article should be changed to "Wonton Noodle", since it is a Cantonese-based dish (and not Singaporean) instead of just having that redirect.
I'm sure more people recognize it as such also (there are more hits for it on Google).
I am unsure about the procedures for changing an article name and its repercussions, anyone else want to make that change? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kelvie (talk • contribs) 20:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cantonese. Not as far as I know. Go AC =) InfernoXV 18:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 2007

message: Are they made from wheat flour? Badagnani 04:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Made from what?

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support as nom. Personally I prefer Wan Tan Mee, but since the last RM finished with the current title and although I'm unconvinced by the arguments I'm doubtful we'll get consensus to change it to that. However Wonton noodle doesn't seem particularly grammatically correct to me, the plural should be used for a noodle dish called 'noodle'/'noodles'. Take a look at Noodle for example. And an internet search shows most people either refer to 'Wonton noodle soup' (which is appropriate) or 'Wonton noodles' as well as a few food outlets called 'Wonton noodle restaurant' etc (again fine for a restaurant) not 'Wonton noodle' as a dish. Some may suggest noodle soup instead but this would mee the article would need to be split for the soup and non-soup variety. Note that we give the literal meaning of the Cantonese name in the article as 'wonton noodles'! Nil Einne (talk) 21:10, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *It doesn't particularly matter what this article uses, that's intentional as the article should follow the title, is easily changed and is inherently part of the move discussion, as it is for every move discussion. In any case, it's not entirely correct as the article gives the literal meaning of the name as 'wonton noodles' as I remarked when opening the move discussion. (It also uses wonton noodles in another instances). Can you show some references of sources that actually refer to a dish called 'wonton noodle'? As I mentioned above, I can find plenty of places the refer to wonton noodle soup (which is appropriate the same as say apple pie) and wonton noodle house or similar (again appropriate, the same as you may have a noodle house) but nothing that refers to 'wonton noodle' as a dish. I don't particularly understand your reference to your comments in the earlier move. You earlier said wonton noodle would be better then wonton Noodle. Well I think we all agree with that, it's no an issue. You also said you would be happy with the current name, except the article was moved anyway so that's no longer relevant. If you would prefer to move the article back to the old title that's fine, but I don't consider it a relevant reason to oppose, the only issue at hand is whether wonton noodle or wonton noodles is a better title. You then made some remarks about how when someone says wonton noodle you think of a wonton not a noodle dish containing wontons. I don't particularly understand this since a wonton is clearly not a noodle, not even close. Do you mean you think of a wonton containing noodles? If so surely that would be a noodle wonton not a wonton noodle. If anything, a wonton noodle would be a noodle made out of wontons, but I'm not particularly sure how you'd make noodles out of wontons anyway. You then made some remarks about how wonton noodle soup is ambigious since it could logically refer to any dish containing wontons and noodles. But that seems fairly irrelevant since it could apply to many dishes. In any case, any standard dish containing wan tan and noodles may very well be called wonton noodles (or whatever depending on where you live). Also as I've already remarked, I don't think call it 'wonton noodle soup' is a good idea because it's clearly inaccurate to call the Malaysian and Singaporean dish a wonton noodle soup requiring a split of the article which I'm personally not in favour of (you can get a soupy version of wan tan mee in Malaysia and I would presume Singapore). Nil Einne (talk) 12:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

text: *Are you aware of any evidence that noodle is regularly used in singular form to refer to noodle dishes? So far the only example that has been given is beef noodle. Note that I'ved looked at Noodle and :Category:Noodles and subcats thereof and the only other example I came across is Cart noodle (and noodle soup which I've already explained is different). It is perhaps appropriate to talk about a noodle in the article on noodles because in that case you can talk about what a noodle is. This isn't an article on a specific type of noodle (okay wonton noodles are a specific type of noodle but the article is on the noodle dish probably because they aren't used for anything else), but a noodle dish, which was with every single other noodle dish always has more then one noodle so calling it wonton noodles is appropriate. A similar example may be baked beans for example even if we have an article on bean (and could have a baked bean casserole). There's also French fries which is perhaps an even more interesting article since even though people would refer to a french fry in some cases (e.g. can I have a fry/french fry, do you want the last fry/french fry) I would personally find it odd for the article to be called french fry which is perhaps why french fries was chosen. Also I would note that so far I haven't see any evidence 'wonton noodle' is ever used. P.S. I hope my comments here and above don't come across as aggressive, it's not my intention to try and force this move or attack other editors but as this is a discussion I do feel it appropriate to respond when I feel there is an appropriate point to be made. Nil Einne (talk) 13:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *Although I feel that that WP:SINGULAR does apply, the vast majority of noodle articles use the plural. I recognize that standardization is more important than my own personal prospective and if someone wants to take on that issue they can do so in a mass move. In the mean time, its not appropriate for me to limit a move that would bring a when the standard appears for the topic appears to be otherwise.--Labattblueboy (talk) 14:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
::Just to clear things up ravioli is the plural form. The singular form is raviolo according to the article. It is correct to call Wonton noodle a mass noun in the context of a discussion about the Wonton noodle. If I have a bowl of noodles, I cannot say correctly I have a bowl of noodle unless there is only one big noodle in the bowl. At a restaurant I order Wonton noodles not Wonton noodle unless I only wish to have one noodle. –droll [chat] 07:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I'm from Vietnam, and as far as I know, wonton noodle is pretty popular here, especially in the southern area, where a large number of Chinese-origin Vietnamese lives with a somewhat Chinese style. It's call "mì hoành thánh" or "mì vằn thắn", which "hoành thánh" and "vằn thắn" are just borrowed words, coming from the pronunciation of "wonton". Faragona (talk) 16:02, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wonton noodle in Vietnam 

message: I don't think the Malaysian variant description is particularly good. From most recipes I've seen, as well as simply the look of the noodles at least in KL, I don't the distinguishing feature is the use of oyster sauce for the noodles. This may be common, but the more important ingredient which gives it the look and partially the taste is the use of dark/thick caramel sauce (sometimes called thick or dark soy sauce, but not to be confused with what's normally called dark soy sauce by Chinese in most places). Nil Einne (talk) 09:52, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and there actually isn't so many "sub" varients of wanton mee in Malaysia. All the variants listed in the Malaysian section are all just depending on how the shop or hawker decides to function their business. Sim Jack Chan (talk) 09:23, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malaysian variant