Talk:Irish car bomb (cocktail)

message: "Irish Cream does not curdle as the protein has been removed" was added following the statement that the drink must be consumed quickly to avoid curdling. The curdling note is cited with the entry at http://www.cocktail.com/recipes/i/IrishCarBomb.htm, of which it appears to be pretty much a direct cut and paste (not a good thing, either). Without something to support the non-curdling argument, I suppose I will leave it for now. If the person who submitted the edit can locate a reference to his/her claim, then I'd be much happier with that in there than something that might be taken directly from another site. As a side note, I've never noticed Irish Creme curdling in any drinks, but I certainly wouldn't base the article on my experiences. --Willscrlt 10:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It will definitely curdle...if you make a carbomb w/ a half-pint of Guinness, with a 1/2 & 1/2 shot of Jameson's & Bailey's depth-charged, by time you chug the whole thing there will be a nasty residue in the glass.  --JD79 14:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curdling 

message: Er, isn't the 'garage' part of this entry basically a horrendously bad joke about the Gibraltar shootings? Bamboo marimba (talk) 13:01, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  500lb Car Bomb 

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message: I'm about to drop in an expanded version of this article that includes the original text.  I tried to pick the best sources for some of this stuff, but for mixed drinks, the choices aren't always the best.  I will continue to try to improve the sources as best I can.  I also created a redirect from Car Bomb (beer cocktail) to here, though really that should be the article, and this should be the redirect (in my opinion).  --Transity (talk • contribs) 21:12, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanded Version 

message: If you want to discuss something, then by all means let's do so. I'm happy to discuss improving references where needed. I certainly can't argue with the refimprove tag (the lack of solid sources is one reason I stopped expanding drink-related stubs, so I get it), but some of the other tags and removals just don't make sense in my opinion. Especially when all I have on your rationale is an edit summary. If we have a difference of opinion, let's work it out here. Make sense? --Transity (talk • contribs) 02:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact tagging and deletions 

message: The article lists 3/4 pint of stout as the more common variety, but this doesn't really seem to be supported. From my experiences, it was always 1/2 pint, with 3/4 being being just too much stout and effectively nullifying the taste of the other ingredients.
So I went looking on the net. A quick search on Google game me only one site that listed 3/4 pint, and manifold more listing 1/2.
Here:
3/4
http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink7774.html
http://www.irishcarbomb.com/      
1/2
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Irish-Car-Bomb-Beer-Drink
http://www.drinknation.com/drink/irish-car-bomb
http://www.barmeister.com/drinks/recipe/797/
http://www.barnonedrinks.com/drinks/i/irish-carbomb-6990.html
http://www.savoryreviews.com/2010/03/10/irish-car-bomb/
And then good ol' Urban Dictionary: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Irish+car+bomb
So, as it seems 1/2 is more commonly used, I've changed that bit of the article to reflect that. If the original recipe uses 3/4 pint, we can make a not of that in the article, but I think the "common ingredients" portion should have the, well, most commonly used ingredients...Sage of Ice (talk) 16:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it says on the article already that the original is 1/2 pint. Guess it's all good then!Sage of Ice (talk) 16:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  1/2 pint VS 3/4 pint 

message: At Trinity Hall in Dallas, they serve the drink under the name "Peacemaker," for what I'd assume are rather obvious reasons. Is this a common thing? If so, maybe it should be added to the article? I'm not doing it myself simply because one localized variant on the name doesn't really seem to deserve mention. If it's more than just Trinity Hall, though, it should be mentioned.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.104.5.152 (talk) 14:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peacemaker? 

message: Reading between the lines of the article and the talk page, this is an exclusively American drink. I've certainly never heard of such a drink in the UK, and Irish friends haven't heard of it either. The name would be tasteless and offensive in both places for a number of reasons. If this drink is restricted to the US, the article should say so. --Ef80 (talk) 21:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found it's mainly seen as a joke, as in "Can you believe Americans actually named a cocktail this?!". There's also the joke about the stereotypical American tourist in an Irish pub ordering the drink, with the bartender instead pouring vodka into two tall glasses, lighting them on fire, saying "We don't have an Irish Car Bomb, but here's a 9/11 for you" --109.158.211.109 (talk) 11:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  American drink? 

message: Substituted at 19:06, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Some citations, because apparently more are needed, that the name is regarded as offensive:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/17/irish-car-bomb-drink_n_2867367.html
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/mar/17/irish-car-bomb-st-patricks-day-bars
http://www.dailyedge.ie/irish-car-bomb-cocktail-3110666-Nov2016/
Plenty more available upon request... BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:23, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Do any of them suggest the qualifier "sometimes" needs to be added?! (Hint: no.) BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 20:44, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, how would that justify saying what you want the article to say? Second of all I think considering that 'Irish Car Bomb' is its official name the qualifier is justified.Yes I'm Drunk (talk) 18:28, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: In the Official Registry of Official Worldwide Cocktail Official Names? Multiple sources describe the name as offensive. QED. Stop edit warring. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 18:50, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering you have reverted something like 7 times in the space of 48 hours without a consensus you have no right to accuse me of edit warring. If multiple sources call it offensive then say multiple sources call it offensive. Also what does QED mean?Yes I'm Drunk (talk) 19:02, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

text: And the above mentioned article from the Guardian should be included as reference already. Irrespective of it being used to make the specific point that the drink is offensive or not, it is a national newspaper, it explains the history of the drink, and is a reputable source. It is certainly a more reliable source than blogs and cocktail websites. -- 109.76.154.158 (talk) 16:07, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

text: The Guardian may be more reputable than a blog, but it is not a reliable source. Oglach na hEireann (talk) 17:53, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources shades The Guardian in green and says it is generally reliable. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:51, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

text: That's hardly a straightforward indication of offensiveness, given that Jaegerbomb came in second, at 40%, and the top pick was Appletini at 49%. You think more people find those names offensive than find "Irish Car Bomb" offensive!? Of course not. Not to mention "Frozen cocktail" at 39%. It's pretty clear that the bulk of what's driving these reactions (of "thinking less of" patrons, not necessarily being offended by them) is one or both of (a) drinks being perceived as being "unserious" mixed drinks mostly consumed by inexperienced drinkers and/or those who don't actually like the taste of alcohol but want to get buzzed and (b) drinks making more work for the bartender (especially if the result "isn't worth the effort"). That's why the Irish Car Bomb, which is kinda sweet and kinda "bro"-ish, but less so (on both accounts) than the Jaegerbomb, and that shares the Jaegerbomb's potential risks (splashing, broken glass, chipped teeth), comes in higher than a lot of drinks that don't have those features (including plenty with controversial names), but still at a significantly lower percentage than the Jaegerbomb itself, despite having a more controversial name. If anything, I'd take that survey result as evidence against the idea that the name is widely considered offensive!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.11.156.189 (talk) 01:43, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Offensive" 

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message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Black Velvet (beer cocktail) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 18:31, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Since it seems this RM is going nowhere, and there is no support so far, I'll put this thing to an end. I'm assuming we should have a disambiguation page instead of the redirect (since there's no obvious single page target relating to the Irish concept), so will put that into effect and people can modify as appropriate.   — Amakuru (talk) 12:33, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Irish car bomb (cocktail) →  – I moved the page to "Irish car bomb" after the RM, because I didn't think that detail would be controversial - that title has always redirected to the same page, and although it could technically could mean a car bomb in Ireland, that topic is not one we'd ever make an article about and all plausible links are already covered amply by hatnotes. Plus I didn't see anybody in the RM proposing changing that redirect to anything different. However, now I see that  has disputed the move as it was not precisely the title proposed in the RM, meaning we now have the incongruous situation that  redirects to the same title with a disambiguator, which doesn't comply with WP:NATURAL. Rather than reopen the whole RM, I'd therefore like to formally suggest we move it to the base name.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternatively recapitalize, less good option, glad that US cocktail drinkers find this entertaining. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:56, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't deny at all that that's the dictionary definition of the phrase Irish car bomb, or that such things haven't been regrettably common over the years over there. The point is simply that, absent the cocktail entry, we would not have any page with that name. It's not really a highly plausible search term for readers looking for information about atrocities in Ireland, and when you type the term "Irish car bomb" into Google with quotes, every entry returned refers to the cocktail.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:37, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Which would be great if everyone using Google always types "Irish car bomb" when they want to look up the cocktail, and Irish car bomb when they wanted to read about the Omagh bombing. Jebus. 🙄 BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:55, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 23 November 2022 

message: not convinced needed In ictu oculi (talk) 22:32, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dab page?