Talk:List of recurring Star Trek: Deep Space Nine characters

message: I added markup and kanji such that Keiko O'Brien's maiden name is now represented in the same way as other Japanese names on Wikipedia. There are several ways of writing Keiko in kanji, so if there's any canon evidence as to the correct characters, this should obviously be modified.
:: This was removed on the basis that "the kanji were never given on the show". This is possibly relevant in terms of the given name, since there are indeed several spellings of Keiko in Japanese. There is, as far as I'm aware, only one spelling of Ishikawa, a common Japanese family name. I'll reinsert something more complete.
Why did you change what I edited about Kira and Yoshi O'Brien?   The child was male, and she was the gestational mother, according to modern parlance.   MissMaryMack14 (talk) 23:20, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keiko O'Brien 

message: Shouldn't Tora Ziyal be under T, as her family name is Tora as per her mother Tora Naprem and Bajoran naming traditions (which seem to be favoured over the Cardassian ones)? --Erath 8 July 2005 10:52 (UTC)
:I think so. Her own father calls her just "Ziyal" most of the time (probably always). ShutterBugTrekker 22:37, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tora Ziyal 

message: I merged in content from pages of minor characters with short articles. Some of these showed up in TNG as well; ideally TNG would also have a compilation page and their roles in each would be listed on the two pages, but this hasn't happened yet. I was thinking of merging in a few more more aggressively, but didn't want to stir the pot too much. Deco 01:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. As far as I'm concerned, we only keep separate articles for the regular characters (Sisko, Kira, Dax, ...) and semi-regular characters (Dukat, Garak, Weyoun, ...). At some point, though, maybe we should split this article into two (A-M, N-Z) to keep the size manageable. We also may want to trim some sections a bit. The part about Sloan, to name just one, looks like it could be shortened. We don't need episode summaries here; that's what the episode pages are for. ··· rWd · Talk ··· 11:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We should probably also include sections for main characters, but containing only a link to the character's article. I've seen this done in other articles, and this article does not purport to be merely a list of minor characters. Deco 22:47, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: We should take care not to repeat List of Star Trek characters here. The list of major characters and links to their bios is already available there. ··· rWd · Talk ··· 23:10, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merged in some minor characters

message: Something I started wondering just yet... What's this page supposed to be? A list of all DS9 characters? List of Star Trek characters already serves that purpose. A collection of biographies for characters not important enough (following WP:FICT) to get their own article, but still important enough to get a bio? That sounds better to me. It also means we can drop about half the list:
*The Albino, Melora Pazlar, Vreenak and Yelgrun all appeared in only one episode and aren't major players for the series as a whole. Give them one or two lines of description on List of Star Trek characters or mention them in the article of the major characters they interacted with, and we've got them covered. (Vreenak was probably rather important for the series, despite his one-time appearance. If people want to keep his bio here, that's fine.)
*Boday and Keldar were only mentioned a few times and never appeared on screen. Same treatment as above.
*The Dax symbiont already has its own article at Dax (Star Trek), so its entry here can go.
*Dr. Elizabeth Lense appeared in only one episode, but features strongly in the Starfleet Corps of Engineers novels. Move her bio to an article dedicated to characters from SCE.
*Leskit also appeared in only one episode, but features strongly in the I.K.S. Gorkon novels. Move his bio to an article dedicated to characters from the Gorkon.
*Elias Vaughn never appeared on screen and was never mentioned. Move his bio to an article on characters from the Relaunch novels.
*Kirayoshi O'Brien hardly deserves his own entry (it's basically a repeat of stuff mentioned in Keiko's piece). His sister was a slightly more major character, so she can stay. Too bad for KY, but life is hard ;-)
Note that I don't suggest to delete information, just to relocate it. This article just doesn't seem to have a clear purpose at the moment. I'd say it should be a collection of bios for the major DS9 characters not important enough to have their own article. Any and all thoughts on this are welcome and appreciated. ··· rWd · Talk ··· 23:06, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, List of Star Trek characters should be broken up by series (for organization and because it's fricking huge). If a character occurs in more than one series, each list should discuss only their role in that series. Then this article subsumes its purpose, but restricted to DS9. Deco 00:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have renamed this as List of minor recurring characters in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, removed the empty sections for major characters, and moved some very minor characters into the main alphabetic lists e.g. A-F.  We should end up with an infobox for each character on this page, which cannot be done on the main alpha lists. - Fayenatic (talk) 14:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the goal of this page, anyway? 

message: She should be on this page somewhere, shouldn't she? --80.47.95.10 14:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Vedek Bareil isn't on the page as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.9.195.14 (talk) 17:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's Jennifer Sisko? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Ishka.jpg

message: There appears to be an excessive number of links in the body of the article to another wiki, Memory Alpha. This doesn't seem to fit in with the WP:MOS and most other articles, which would indicate a single link should be listed at the end of the article as an External link. Pairadox 17:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  This article is also glutted with a lot of unnotable characters and is need of some major clean up.  AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memory Alpha links 

message: I've removed the most obviously minor characters from the article (only appeared in a few episodes, didn't appear at all, had no real significance to the show).  There are a few others I'm on the fence about, so for now I've left them.  For those characters with their own articles, their sections here really need to have some kind of lead in written below the link off the main articles, kind of like a teaser or something, for someone who just wants a quick, brief note about their without reading the entire character article.
All of the wiki links need to be removed and replaced with a single external link. Non-canon information also needs to be completely removed: this article is about the show characters and there should not be any info from novels, etc.  There is also a serious need for sourcing throughout the article, either from WP:Reliable Sources or the primary source (i.e. cite episodes info comes from). AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might want to ask people's opinion before removing characters in the future.  I've readded Leeta and I'm going to readd Eddington as well. Rockfang 13:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed them.  Asking other people's opinion is not necessary before cleaning up articles to bring them into better compliance with Wikipedia policies and guidelines.  WP:FICT, WP:PLOT, TV MOS are good things to read to learn more about appropriate character inclusions. AnmaFinotera 15:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that your choices are arbitrary and the links provide no clue as to why you deleted these characters.    Spejic 03:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I noted in my edit summaries short reasons for removal.  If there are questions as to the notability of any I removed, feel free to address.  All that were removed did not, however, meet the notability requirements.  They had no significant or major notability to the series as a whole.  Just being in multiple episodes does not make them notable, nor does having an important role in a single episode or two make them notable. Leeta, for example, may have been seen frequently, but she had actual significance to the show. Some of the ones I removed never even appeared on the show (Quark's Father) or only appeared in one or two episodes. AnmaFinotera 06:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean Up Suggestions

message: Nog was notable enough to have his own article.  Deep Space Nine had several notable recurring characters, Garak, Martok, Rom, Dukat, Weyoun to name a few, including Nog. Ejfetters (talk) 05:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While Nog is certainly a well seen character, I'm not really seeing anything in his article that makes him notable enough to have a stand alone article rather than being included here. It does not appear to meet WP:N nor WP:Fiction requirements, at all, is completely unsourced, and may contain original research.  Considering the number of show character articles being AfDed of late, I'd suspect Nog's article would not survive such a nomination, so its better to merge it now while it is still there to merge. AnmaFinotera (talk) 06:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I completely agree, actually. Some of those had good story arcs, or even mild importance, but most are not that notable to the series as a whole. Dukat, for example, is certainly an interesting character and he plays a big role towards the end, but he still can not meet the WP:FICTION guidelines and the notability requirements enough for his article (all the sources are just from the star trek site and episodes). Ideally, the article would have the most major characters (the eight actually listed in the parent article), with short intros and links to their main articles, all the rest should be listed only if they were truly significant recurring characters with brief synposis per the WP:Fiction and WP:Plot guidelines. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm all for merges.  I disagree with the deletion suggestions for some of them though. Rockfang 13:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I do not believe the characterMartokshouldnt have his own page?  As the series progressed, he became a major character, athough not a main one.  Plot lines and entire episodes revolved around hin the the latter seasons.  Also, Gowron was a character begun on Star Trek the Next Generation.  He is not limited to DS9 fiction.  That is the equivelant of saying the character of Worf, created, established, and a prominent on TNG, should only be listed in DS9.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.145.150.226 (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Nog is certainly not a minor character.  I'm opposed to the merge. Hobit (talk) 03:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge suggestion

message: *I don't think merging it in here is a good idea -- as the symbiont spans multiple hosts, some of whom didn't appear on DS9, it would confuse the issue too much. Oppose.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 01:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of [[Dax (Star Trek)|Dax]] 

message: *Oppose -- Kor isn't a DS9 character, he first appears in TOS, and also appears in the animated series.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 20:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since he didn't make many appearances, he could be merged here for his DS9 appearance, and information about the roles in TOS and TAS placed in the appropriate episodes.  He isn't notable enough for his own article, in or out of universe. Ejfetters (talk) 03:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be of the opinion that a character who the writers of two different series brought back _does_ have real-world notability for exactly that reason.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 05:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

text: No, that is in-universe notability, not real world notability.  See WP:FICTION. AnmaFinotera (talk) 06:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, different sets of writers liking the character is _not_ in-universe, and WP:FICTION doesn't treat the subject at all.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 06:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, but just how many episodes in all has this character appeared in?  If you do the math, figure out all the episodes of DS9 and TOS combined, and what was he in just 1 of each.  This is hardly notable in or out of universe.  Ejfetters (talk) 08:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 3 DS9 episodes, actually. And one animated episode too. Please get the numbers correct before quoting them.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 18:02, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of [[Kor (Star Trek)|Kor]] 

message: *Oppose -- Dukat is a major character in the series.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 20:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of [[Dukat (Star Trek)|Dukat]] 

message: There is something wrong with the article issues box at the moment.  I thought it was something that the previous editor did so I reverted it.  That didn't fix the problem.  I'm gonna remove that box until someone can remedy it. --Rockfang (talk) 08:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the articles issues box 

message: I have added this section, as the template of ST characters directed to the original article, that redirected to this page where no article existed (or may have been removed in the past).  I copied the article verbatim (sans tags) from the point in history prior to the redirect.  Aside from cleaning up the line breaks, I have made no further changes.
If this is the wrong place for this character, please feel free to put it in the correct place, but can you update the template links?  Thanks! StephenBuxton (talk) 17:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kimara Cretak 

message: He is a minor character, so merging him here with make this article more comprehensive and eliminate a stubby article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge in Rom

message: Although she was mostly recurring in TNG, she had a couple of appearances in DS9, and thus that information can be merged here, or omitted, since 2 episodes is barely recurring.  Thoughts? Ejfetters (talk) 13:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose - I don't think it would be helpful to split the info, nor to omit it. Either leave it separate, merge it all to the TNG page, start a new page on recurring characters across multiple Star Trek series, or consider merge with Deanna Troi? A merged List of minor recurring characters in Star Trek, defined on the page as those occurring in multiple series or films, might confer sufficient notability on several marginal articles. Fayenatic (talk) 16:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Big Oppose she is a very notible character in TNG so there is no point merging to minor characters in DS9... maybe put a little section and link to the main article.  rdunnPLIB  10:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger of [[Lwaxana Troi]]

message: I'm looking over this article, and I'm at an utter loss as to how it can be improved without massive cutting back of material. For an article this size, only two citations seems to be a huge problem. To me, it's arguable whether any of this material truly qualifies as notable, and I could see it being considered little more than fancruft. I had the fleeting thought of proposing deletion, but I'd like to hear from other editors as to what can be done. I'd point out that the article's been considered problematic for three years now...to me, an unacceptably long time for an article to need but not receive improvement.
If left to my own devices (which I hope won't be the case) I'd either a) propose deletion to see whether that gets more significant improvement (deletion might be an improvement if the article isn't considered salvageable), or b) make massive cuts to the unsourced material and original research. Really, I have to question how much of this isn't already available on Memory Alpha in any case.
I hope we can do something to improve the quality of this article. Doniago (talk) 13:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What to do with this 

message: Merged in section on Winn Adami per consensus on that page.  Still needs editing for brevity and reduction of redundance. Dkendr (talk) 18:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of Winn Adami