Talk:List of modernist women writers

message: ===Toward getting this started===
I'm not quite ready to start this, and I'm not sure how broadly we want to define modernism (does Edith Wharton count? Kate Chopin? Zora Neale Hurston? Edna St. Vincent Millay? Radclyffe Hall? Lillian Hellman? How about a magical realist like Isabel Allende?), but some names that should certainly be mentioned:
* Anna Akhmatova
* Djuna Barnes
* H.D.
* Amy Lowell
* Edith Sitwell
* Gertrude Stein
* Virginia Woolf
* Toni Morrison
I suspect the Argentine poet Silvina Ocampo may belong, though I haven't read her. Ditto Mina Loy, who I also have to admit to not having read.
Jmabel | Talk 06:45, September
4, 2005 (UTC)
:We shouldn't be having to define anything. Wikipedia is just meant to document existing knowledge and definitions. Let's just agree on a structure and get started, including any modernist women writers already defined as such by any published academics in the field of modern literature. What do you think? — Донама 07:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say Morrison is, on the whole, a modernist (a case could be made for calling her post-modernist, I guess); I wouldn't call her avant-garde, because modernism was a pretty established tradition by her generation. Isabel Allende is of the same generation as Morrison. In any case, I agree with all of your additional names. My only hesitancy about avant-garde (but I could go either way on it) is that the avant-garde (especially in French and German) starts roughly 50 years earlier than what would generally be called modernism. - Jmabel | Talk 05:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, well, I find Allende a bit of an oddity on the list of possible inclusions too.  I guess my point re "modernism" vs "avant-garde" is that most of the names, but not quite all, that have been listed above are writers in English.  So either the category needs to be narrower (an Anglophone modernist tradition), or else the list of female writers would have to have a lot more non-Anglophone names on it to be a good representation. ND 20:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It's perfectly valid to have a talk page for an article not yet written. I know just enough about the topic to have made my remark above—basically a list of prominent names—but since I am busy, don't have citations for these writers being considered modernist, etc. I would not currently feel comfortable starting the article. I would love to see someone start it. - Jmabel | Talk 18:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thinking about it; you're right. CSD applies to talk pages of deleted pages. At least it used to. This article has never been created, thus never deleted. Punkmorten 23:09, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd have no problem with the proposal to move what we've got, but I still think this is an article we ultimately should have, and that I'm not qualified to write it. - Jmabel | Talk 03:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, but is she "modernist"? ND 05:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from [[Talk:Modernist women writers]]

message: I'm not quite ready to start this, and I'm not sure how broadly we want to define modernism (does Edith Wharton count? Kate Chopin? Zora Neale Hurston? Edna St. Vincent Millay? Radclyffe Hall? Lillian Hellman? How about a magical realist like Isabel Allende?), but some names that should certainly be mentioned:
* Anna Akhmatova
* Djuna Barnes
* H.D.
* Amy Lowell
* Edith Sitwell
* Gertrude Stein
* Virginia Woolf
* Toni Morrison
I suspect the Argentine poet Silvina Ocampo may belong, though I haven't read her. Ditto Mina Loy, who I also have to admit to not having read.
Jmabel | Talk 06:45, September
4, 2005 (UTC)
:We shouldn't be having to define anything. Wikipedia is just meant to document existing knowledge and definitions. Let's just agree on a structure and get started, including any modernist women writers already defined as such by any published academics in the field of modern literature. What do you think? — Донама 07:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say Morrison is, on the whole, a modernist (a case could be made for calling her post-modernist, I guess); I wouldn't call her avant-garde, because modernism was a pretty established tradition by her generation. Isabel Allende is of the same generation as Morrison. In any case, I agree with all of your additional names. My only hesitancy about avant-garde (but I could go either way on it) is that the avant-garde (especially in French and German) starts roughly 50 years earlier than what would generally be called modernism. - Jmabel | Talk 05:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, well, I find Allende a bit of an oddity on the list of possible inclusions too.  I guess my point re "modernism" vs "avant-garde" is that most of the names, but not quite all, that have been listed above are writers in English.  So either the category needs to be narrower (an Anglophone modernist tradition), or else the list of female writers would have to have a lot more non-Anglophone names on it to be a good representation. ND 20:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Toward getting this started

message: This talk page is linked to from . Perhaps we should allow it to stay for now, as it is a part of the preparations in making this article. Revisit in one month and delete if still inactive. Punkmorten 10:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's perfectly valid to have a talk page for an article not yet written. I know just enough about the topic to have made my remark above—basically a list of prominent names—but since I am busy, don't have citations for these writers being considered modernist, etc. I would not currently feel comfortable starting the article. I would love to see someone start it. - Jmabel | Talk 18:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thinking about it; you're right. CSD applies to talk pages of deleted pages. At least it used to. This article has never been created, thus never deleted. Punkmorten 23:09, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion 

message: So far, we really only have a list of female writers who could be considered modernist. Why not delete this talk page or move it to Talk:List of modernist women writers and put the list of women there? — Донама 07:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd have no problem with the proposal to move what we've got, but I still think this is an article we ultimately should have, and that I'm not qualified to write it. - Jmabel | Talk 03:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would this article ever get started? 

message: What about Anais Nin?  If Djuna Barnes is on there Nin should be as well.  She was a minor writer, true, but she more than anyone else defined the use of literature as self-analysis.
:Yeah, but is she "modernist"? ND 05:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anais Nin