Talk:Bioenergy

message: I am contemplating moving the section "Carbon neutrality for forest biomass" to biomass (energy) for now and to consolidate/condense it with similar content there (before later deciding if biomass (energy) and bioenergy need to be merged together). I am thinking that the bioenergy article should become a high level overview article that does not go into a lot of detail for specific types of biomass/crops. But am not sure. EMsmile (talk) 09:27, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved this now. It will require further work at biomass (energy) and then also new content to be added to this article. EMsmile (talk) 08:58, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving the section "carbon neutrality for forest biomass"? 

message: * I had a look at the German Wikipedia for inspiration (it tends to be very good for climate change articles; use Google translate to bring it back to English). In the German Wikipedia there is one article on biomass which is a mixture of our two biomass and biomass (energy) articles but of course not going into as much depth for the energy part. It then has a section on "uses of biomass" which then branches off to the bioenergy article.
* I also checked how the German Wikipedia deals with the biofuel topic. In the German language the term "fuel" is "Brennstoff" (literature meaning: stuff that can burn). It splits it into solid stuff that can burn, liquid stuff that can burn, gaseous stuff that can burn. In the group of "liquid stuff that can burn" they have "Biokraftstoffe" which then links to the English Wikipedia article "biofuel". The lead of the German Wikipedia biofuel article says "Biofuel (also biofuel , agrofuel or agricultural fuel ) is fuel that is produced from biomass , i.e. a form of application of bioenergy . Biofuels are mostly liquid, sometimes gaseous, and are used to power internal combustion engines in mobile and stationary applications. Starting materials for biofuels are renewable raw materials such as oil plants , grain , sugar beet or sugar cane , forest and residual wood , woodFast-growing plantations , special energy crops and animal waste.  The prefix Bio does not indicate an origin from ecological agriculture , but the plant ( biological ) origin. The climate neutrality and ecological advantages of biofuels are controversial." EMsmile (talk) 10:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, yes that would be good. But why not also be inspired by the structure of a good Wikipedia article that happens to be in the German Wikipedia? The different language Wikipedias tend to work in "silos" which is silly when it comes to global topics like bioenergy / climate change. I like the structure and level of detail (not too detailed) for the German Wikipedia article on bioenergy which is like this (translated):
 1 Extraction of biogenic fuels
 2 Categories of biogenic fuels
 2.1 Biogenic solid fuels
 2.2 Biogenic liquid fuels
 2.3 Biogenic fuel gases
 3 use of bioenergy
 3.1 Biogenic heat and power generation
 3.2 biofuels
 4 potential and space requirements
 4.1 Worldwide
 4.2 Europe
 4.3 Germany
 5 importance in Germany
 5.1 share of the energy supply
 5.2 Promotion of biogenic fuels
 6 Assessment of bioenergies
 6.1 advantages
 6.2 Disadvantages
 7 Legal sustainability criteria
 8 Bioenergies perspective
Also, their "biomass" article has the following structure, compared to our biomass article which is only a short overview now (on purpose) and compared to our biomass (energy) article which is only about energy biomass:
 1 Terminology
 1.1 Ecological term "biomass"
 1.2 Energy technology biomass term
 2 types of biomass
 2.1 criteria
 2.2 living biomass
 2.3 dead biomass
 3 composition of biomass
 4 amounts
 4.1 Quantities according to the ecological biomass concept
 4.2 Quantities according to the energy-technical biomass term
 5 biomass use
 5.1 advantages
 5.2 Disadvantages
 5.3 Biomass use in Germany
EMsmile (talk) 08:54, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Overall, I wish I had more expertise and time available right now to work on this further. It's a fascinating topic but I struggle to make enough time for it at the moment. EMsmile (talk) 08:54, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparison with German Wikipedia for inspiration