Talk:Killing of Brian Deneke

message: Why isn't Camp still in prison? Didn't he, you know, murder a person? Sorry if I seem old fashioned...
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.68.17.141 (talk • contribs) 16:14, March 15, 2007
:He was never convicted of Murder so no he did not "murder" a person, he killed someone.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.224.228 (talk) 23:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: well , lets just combine hitlers bio with the zionist movement. same thing. KEEP EM SEPERATED    and it was not his MURDER [and yes, it was a murder regardless of what a prosecuter decided was right]but the movement that followed his death that makes him relevent  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.93.134.37 (talk) 15:59, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "I bet he liked that" 

message: Per the discussion at Talk:Dustin Camp, I think these two articles should be merged into a new article on the murder and surrounding events, rather than having two articles on individuals notable only for the event.  Feel free to discuss.  Powers T 17:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: Homicide of Dustin Camp makes it read that Dustin Camp was killed. Homicide of Brian Deneke would be grammatically correct, unless someone murdered Camp too? ~ WikiDon (talk) 09:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I am uncertain where you think I tried to delete this article, as I haven't gone with a db, prod or AfD at any point. I do believe that the article should be merged with Dustin Camp and renamed. This article and the Dustin Camp article are not about the individuals: they are about one event and the article should be named as such. Yes, I botched it above. It should be Homicide of Brian Deneke or something similar. (Note: the misspelling of "Homicide" is the kind of error I usually make. Flipping the killer and the vic is a bigger error and one I wholly own.) Yeah, there are songs and such, but they're all about the homicide. Were it not for that one event, these two articles would not exist in any form. By all means, Brian Deneke, Dustin Camp and whatever we call it should exist, but two of those should be redirects to the third. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 17:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

text: You are missing the point. Deneke was notable (based on wikipedia's use of the term) for one event, and one event only: his death. Outside of that event, neither he nor Camp received any press coverage. As a result, Deneke and Camp aren't notable, the Homicide of Brian Deneke is notable. That you (and certainly others) knew either of them or now know of them is moot. The only reliable sources for either article discuss the homicide and/or Deneke/Camp in relation to it. Barring any further discussion here, I will merge these articles soon. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:08, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: User:Magnius has slabbed like half of all available issues on the article (inluding, for some reason wikify, which I removed). While some of the issues may apply, I would like to hear what the problems are, so that we can fix it. Also, apart from one section, the article doesn't seem to be unbalanced and is mostly close to the available sources. Also, instead of adding one billion fact tags, you may as well tag the paragraph that's lacking... Averell (talk) 10:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Magnius is indiscriminately adding tags to the article.  The proliferation of  tags is egregious.  The information is already in the numerous references contained within the same paragraph.  Placing footnotes after every single declarative sentence only detracts from the article.  Greg Comlish (talk) 16:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've invited Magnius to make his case here, to which he reacted by blanking his talk page. So I'm fine with removing the big blob of tags. However, that doesn't mean that we don't need any more rewriting/sources - especially in regard to the viewpoints expressed in the article. Averell (talk) 09:25, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article issues 

message: seems like backhanded whining about "jocks"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.17.141 (talk) 04:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  significance? 

message: Hello, I came because someone here requested a third opinion on the conflict. I read the talk page and the article(s), though I didn't have prior knowledge of the case. The discussion seems to be very civil here, which is a good sign.
About the article: It appears to me that the information given here is surely noteable. The case seems to have had some impact (especially in the punk community) and the treatment of Camp has spawned strong reactions. 
Still, I'm unsure if Dustin Camp is noteable as a person. He's only famous for being the murder of Brian Deneke, and for the legal cases resulting from that. Also the fact that he received a lenient sentence and violated parole is only noteable in the context of the homicide.
As a matter of fact, I have the same reservations about Brian Deneke - the guy is only famous for being murdered; I don't see evidence that he is would be noteworthy as a musician (I may be wrong about that, but at least there is no evidence in the Wikipedia article).
My opinion is that all information from these articles could be folded into an article like "Murder of Brian Deneke" without losing anything (see Murder of Meredith Kercher for an example). That article could cover all aspects of the murder without all parties having their "own" Wikipedia entry (you can still have redirects from "Brian Deneke" and "Dustin Camp"). That approach would also be in line with WP:BLP1E - cover the event, not the person. Averell (talk) 19:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your input, Averell.  I think the solution you propose would alleviate most of my concerns.  Powers T 19:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:3O|Third opinion]] 

message: You can't even look at it now - it only downloads a file that, when viewed with Notepad, looks like an image or exec file. Rjhenn (talk) 18:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to the article???  

message: I've undid the attempt to "move" this page back to "Brian Deneke". I've also remwritten some "biography style" paragraphs in the lead.
In the merge discussion (archived above) it was decided to merge all the relevant articles (here) into an article about the event. This was done because neither Brian Deneke nor Dustin camp would be notable without the killing. Thus I think that this page should remain an article about the crime and not turn into just a biography of Brian Deneke. 
If you disagree feel free to discuss it here, but please do so before jumping into action. Averell (talk) 23:39, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move/style 

message: John Marmaduke, CEO of Hastings Entertainment (based in Amarillo), funded a lot of Camp's defense. I don't know what their relationship was, but it's worth noting I think. 
This led to a bit of a backlash against Hastings back then, where many sympathetic / outraged locals engaged in lots of shoplifting and property destruction at the two local Hastings, and may or may not have had something to do with the fire bomb that got dropped through the video return slot that opened into the store.
I was in Amarillo back then, and often hung out at that IHOP, and went to the underground shows and stuff. That whole thing was severely messed up. 209.33.7.28 (talk) 04:51, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Marmaduke 

message: How is Deneke pronounced?--31.17.157.239 (talk) 16:28, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

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message: I came here looking for information specifically about Dustin Camp, and didn't get it. Make of that what you will. Why not a separate article for Dustin Camp? He got away with murder and a part of his life is portrayed in a major motion picture, I'd say that's pretty noteworthy.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.201.246.199 (talk) 17:12, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dustin Camp article? 

message: I removed all songs from the respective sections where the band did not already have their own Wikipedia page. The last entry was from a band/album for which the only reference was a last.fm entry that explained that there they have no further information about the song. I don't think we need to include _every_ song about this, no matter how obscure the artist. Averell (talk) 16:34, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songs