Talk:Krapfen (doughnut)

message: Please someone redo the spoken part, the accent is terrible. I'm German and this is just ridiculous, I never heard such a terrible accent in my life. Maybe in RtCW, but stuff like that shouldn't be published. --80.131.91.3 12:42, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: spoken part

message: I merged in the content from that page. Actually, everything important was here already.
Really, it's just another name, not especially notable and in fact not one I ever heard (and I live in that country). --R. Wolff 18:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merged content from Bismarck_(doughnut) 

message: Should something be included about JFK saying, "Ich bin ein Berliner?"
I would have thought that was noteworthy
66.192.94.185 18:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: see  for details about this urban legend. I do think, however, we should mention that a famous urban legend circulated that people construed JFK as calling himself a jelly doughnut. Valley2city 15:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: JFK?

message: What's with the mention of Manitoba? It looks like something was said there and then cut out. Thnidu (talk) 22:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This went wrong on January 21, when someone tried to fix an equally weird sentence. De728631 (talk) 21:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manitoba? 

message: I know its definitely a minor issue but in most of Italy (centre and south) this is caled "bomba" or "bombolone" (Tuscany) and not "krapfen".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.86.169.12 (talk) 15:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italy 

message: I live for 45 years in Germany and have lived for 17 years in Berlin - but I have never heard that the Berliner or "Pfannkuchen" is called "Bismark" - it should be removed unless there is a good source. Plehn (talk) 14:44, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, where I live on the west coast (USA), I grew up hearing the custard-filled ganache-covered variety called "Bismarks", while the jelly-filled varieties we just called "jelly doughnuts". --H-ko (Talk) 23:17, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berliner named "Bismark"?? 

message: Bismarck (doughnut) redirects to this article. In the [UK] I've come across a few bakeries which sell a large iced bun containing currents and marzipan vaguely reminiscent of a [stollen] under the name "bismarck". If anyone who comes across this post knows anymore about this I would love to know and will add the information to [iced bun].Pete the pitiless (talk) 19:29, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bismarck, iced bun, UK 

message: In Baden-Württemberg (and the southern Hessia), we use Kreppel for a Berliner WITHOUT jelly. We do use "Berliner" for the jelly one. --62.224.215.45 (talk) 18:50, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe in Baden-Württemberg but in Hesse and adjoining regions, it's called a Kreppel regardless of wether it contains jelly. Str1977 (talk) 14:55, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kreppel 

message: Added some informations abouth the traditional recipes. My father was a pastry chef and made thousands of them, and for sure not the industrial made crap you can buy today around the year at any place selling food.
ReinickendorferFuchs (talk) 09:12, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The original doughnut has no filling with marmelade and no poudersugar, just simple cristallsugar--2A02:908:1571:FF20:5CCF:3FBD:7F52:C5DC (talk) 20:40, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Traditional Pfannkuchen from Berlin

message: This article states: "In Ontario and the prairie western provinces of Canada, as well as parts of the Midwest and West in the US, such a round jelly- or custard-filled doughnut is commonly called a "bismark" or "bismarck"..." Besides being just horrible English (sounds like it was written by some committee - we need to include x, also y, and maybe z too - typical wikiland garbage), it sort of appears that someone wants jelly donuts to be called bismarcks. Sorry, at least in all places that I've ever lived, bismarcks can only refer to creme filled donuts (if then, generally a creme-filled donut is called a cream-filled donut) - a jelly-filled donut is well a jelly donut. A bismarck it will never be.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 02:31, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cream-Filled Bismarcks 

message: Should we add the following content in article's "see also" section?
Or as suggested in previous JFK section, we can add the incident explicitly clarifying it was urban legend outside Germany. All over the world except Germany. —usernamekiran[talk] 11:43, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  JFK again 

message: In my German classes, I was taught that when stating your national origin, occupations, etc. that using an indefinite article is incorrect. Therefore "Ich bin ein Berliner" is distinctly different from "Ich bin Berliner" because in one you're stating where you're from/who you are and the other you are saying you are an object.
:Your German classes taught you wrongly. While putting an article in front such a term is uncommon in some parts of Germany (and people from there might derive joy from picking on such "mistakes") it is commoon in other parts. Str1977 (talk) 15:00, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indefinite Articles 

message: I'm not sure why the article is under a German name for this pastry since it has English names.  But beyond that, the claim "'In Anglo-America, the most common term for the jam- or jelly-filled pastry is "jelly doughnut"' is not supported by a reference.  Can any-one give a citation (or a counter-citation with an accompanying change in the text)? I never heard this name in the parts of the States I've been in. Kdammers (talk) 04:37, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: In the same vein, I've lived in Ontario for 30 of my 40 years and never once heard anyone call a doughnut a "Bismarck". It's referred to as a jelly doughnut, except the Boston Cream, which is custard-filled and glazed with chocolate. To your first point though, should Spaghetti be renamed to or merged with Noodles on that basis? This doughnut style originated in Berlin, thus the name. 2607:FEA8:BFA0:47F:B1A3:9953:ED4:E0FF (talk) 06:21, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is a difference between a foreign word like baguette or spaghetti that has been incorporated into English and one like Berliner, which has not.  Whether 'Spaghetti' should be merged Noodles or Pasta -- as opposed to being renamed -- it depends on the quantity of information.  "Spaghetti" refers to a specific kind of noodle and the dish made there-from, so it obviously should not be renamed Noodles. Kdammers (talk) 07:29, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsupported claim 

message: Since there is disagreement about whether a biskmar(c)k is a donut/doughnut or not, can we change the title (if it has to be 'Berliner,' which is a German word rather than an English one) to include '(pastry),'  rather than the contentious '(doughnut)'?  When I am in Germany, I speak German and call it a Berliner; when I am in America (Chicagoland), I call it a  bismar(c)k and the sales-person knows exactly what I want. Kdammers (talk) 07:24, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: I don't mean to get into and edit war about this as it's only a doughnut, but having modified the statement about Berliner meaning a jam doughnut in English speaking countries I was asked to cite my source.  I'm not sure how I'm meant to be able to cite a negative thing (I can find you thousands of references to doughnuts that don't call them berliners but not one that does) I would have thought it's up to the person making the claim about what a berliner is in English speaking countries is, I note that they do not. Like every British native English speaker I know, the first time that I heard of a berliner was the JFK urban legend reference. 
I therefore deleted the statement to increase the accuracy, but that was reverted.  I therefore have included a citation needed tag as to be clear I have never heard a jam doughnut referred to as a berliner, I'm sure they are somewhere but I feel it's more of an exception than a rule thing. 92.4.251.123 (talk) 14:12, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use English speaking countries