Template talk:Countries of Africa

message: Should they be included? Most of the atlases I read seem to include them as part of Africa. --Chanheigeorge 08:47, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Aren't they part of Spain and Portugal? — Instantnood 09:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Azores, Madeira, Canaries

message: I have sorted countries by region and added thumbnail maps to match the Africa Template in the French language Wikipedia.  I hope that nobody minds; it just always seemed a bit cluttered to have them all sorted alphabetically in one big box.  ergot 16:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template update

message: Today I created the article Congo (region) mainly because I felt that it was missing from Template:Regions of the world. Only afterwards did I discover that Congo already exists, but that this article seems to restrict itself to dealing solely with the two Congos, and not the wider, vaguer subregion. What is the preferred option now: should Congo me merged with Congo (region) and redirect to Congo (disambiguation) instead? Please have your say here. Thanks.
And a related issue: I would argue that the UN designation Middle Africa - which currently redirects to Central Africa - is the least ambiguous name for the region, as listed at Template:Africa, just like Southern Africa is used to effectively disambiguate from South Africa. Please respond here. Thanks! // Big Adamsky  • BA's talk page 10:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomenclature: ''Congo Region'' and ''Middle Africa''

message: Where are islands: Tromelin, Glorioso, Basas da India, Europa?
If those uninhabited islands are not to be mentioned, then remove silly Places of sovereignity, and BIOT as well. 
--24.43.253.97 03:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added them to the template, but have reverted myself after seeing the listing of France. — Instantnood 09:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surprising inconsistency 

message: I see British Indian Ocean Territory and not French Southern Territories? 
I added that teritory into a template :) --Goran.Smith2 06:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the BIOT African by geography? — Instantnood 09:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Southern Territories 

message: I have removed the continental images as they occupied too much space in the template, if they are to be reintroduced, please make it more like Template:Oceania. --Cat out 13:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see #Template structure below. David Kernow (talk) 20:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I propose and recomend creating a seperate template for those. ,  and other continental templates dont use them and I do not see why they should be used here. A seperate tempate for african teritories may be used. --Cat out 12:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please wait, pending discussion below (and at Template:Oceania and perhaps elswhere...)  Thank you, David Kernow (talk) 20:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UN subregions and other territories 

message: Cf here for a discussion pertaining to this template. Regards, David Kernow (talk) 12:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related discussion 

message: A suggestion for a standard approach to the naming, titling and sections of this and similar templates has been made here – please visit and share your thoughts!  Thanks, David Kernow (talk) 03:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standardization suggestion - please contribute! 

message: 02-April-2008: I have grouped older topics above using headers "Topics from 2005" (etc.) to emphasize age of topics. Older topics might still apply, but using the tactic of yearly headers to note the age helps avoid rehashing old news, without archiving any ongoing issues. Also, new topics are more likely to be added at the bottom, not top. -Wikid77 (talk) 12:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Retrofit topic-year headers

message: 02-April-2008: It took a while to understand the "|" formerly between countries at the bottom, so I have split the unusual double list of "Dependencies| Unrecognized" into 2 separate groups similar to the region-groups, but with shading at left rather than left-side maps.  After seeing that double list the first time, it took a while to notice there were 2 sets of country names, in alphabetic order, with a vertical bar "|" dividing the double list wrapped across 3 centered lines.  At least I hope that's how the list was divided!  I suspect whoever had developed the double list had overlooked the potential of splitting the list into 2 rows using colspan=2 to omit Africa maps at those 2 rows.  Table formatting tends to be very complex, and many people still think they have to use quotes on table parameter values (such as: colspan="2"), but years ago I found those quote marks around "2" could be omitted (as: colspan=2). Anyway, let me know if there are problems with the double list as split into 2 groups for Dependencies and Unrecognized. -Wikid77 (talk) 12:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Western Sahara is actually recognized by mucho of the AU and Somaliland is de facto recognized by Djbouti.  I'm renaming this section to "Disputed" which reflects the situation regardless of any shifts in diplomatic recognitions.RevelationDirect (talk) 09:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Split Dependencies/Unrecognized

message: Right now we have two Somali states listed under the Disputed section:  Somaliland and Puntland.  However, there is currently a third:  Galmudug.  Because the situation on the ground is so dynamic, I'm replacing these with the States and regions of Somalia article so we don't have to keep changing the template.  (The other choice would be to list all three.)  If there are other ideas here, just let me know.RevelationDirect (talk) 09:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am readding Somaliland, while leaving The link to states and regions of Somalia because Somaliland is the only state on the ground that is de facto independent AND asserting its complete independence. (in contrast to Puntland which advocates for a unified Somalia, similar to Galmudug, under their own 'leadership'.) Outback the koala (talk) 08:08, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds reasonable.  Somaliland has also been more stable although the exact boundaries with Puntland have not been.RevelationDirect (talk) 09:01, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed states in Somalia

message: Night, I like your premise about making the template less complicated and I've put some of your suggestions in the template.  Using the template you referenced as a model has proved difficult though because it suffers from the same edit war as this one!
Since Western Sahara is a geographical area (although one clearly in Northern Africa), I was thinking we list it as such with the multiple governments listed paranthetically after it like so. Western Sahara (Corcas, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic).  While that lists both competing governments, Corcas maintains Western Sahara as part of Morocco, not a separate country.  So, I'm thinking a reference under Morocco like this would be simple and even handed without listing non-countries (e.g. Western Sahara, Corcas):

Obviously, if that's a workable format, we could apply it to you-know-where.  Whadya think?RevelationDirect (talk) 03:08, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here Here! What an improvement! Hats off to Night w. for his work here. Revelation, listing SADR under Morocco, is something that should probably be avoided for neutrality's sake, plus it appears as a state with limited recognition so it should be given a separate spotting( to do otherwise would make it appear as if it is some sub-national entity. I would prefer Night w's original work, to this revised version. (sorry I was writing this as you posted night w - so i inserted it here)Outback the koala (talk) 05:33, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I'd avoid putting SADR as a parenthesis after Morocco. Including it that way makes it looks like an independence movement within Morocco--which it is, but only from one perspective. I do see how that style would work for the Somali situation, but even then, it's picking a side. I also definitely think that, while it's not a political entity, Western Sahara should be included somewhere. More people will look for that than SADR, as not many people know what SADR is. Corcas should definitely not be listed, as it's just a committee...and most people won't know what it is or what state it's affiliated with. I'd stick with the names for the sovereign entities. I guess we'll see how the other template works out first. Night w (talk) 05:26, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Western Sahara & Simplifying Template

message: A discussion is taking place here on how best to incorporate unrecognised states into a navigation template listing sovereign states and other entities. Some editors have suggested that including such states at all is pushing an imbalanced point of view. Others have made the same argument for not including them. Various conciliatory methods have been proposed, but have not acheived consensus. Editors should note that the outcome of this discussion will most likely have implications on this template aswell. For more information, please have a look at this casefile, or see the before-mentioned discussion page. Night w (talk) 04:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Centralised discussion

message: Just noticed Malawi, Zambia and Zimbabwe lurking in East Africa. The articles put them in South Africa. Should I move them? --Redaktor (talk) 13:03, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 13:12, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thats fine. Outback the koala (talk) 22:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.--Redaktor (talk) 18:53, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zambia, Zimbabwe 

message: Southern Sudan has become a separate country to Sudan (9th June)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.2.172.164 (talk) 18:29, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: July. Not June. --Golbez (talk) 18:38, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

text: There's some issue with Eritrea. I guess give it a few days to see how it plays out. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 20:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the issue stems from the Abyei region, which is to be decided in a future refererndum, according to the BBC ShawnIsHere: Now in colors 04:33, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Abyei doesn't affect the South's independence. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 17:09, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southern Sudan 

message: Could someone delete the island of Pantelleria from the African territories? Pantelleria is not located in Africa, but in between Sicily and the African continent. 85.56.136.168 (talk) 17:42, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it's considered geologically African. It's certainly closer to Africa than it is to Europe. This would need more discussion before done. (Similarly: What about Socotra, geologically African and closer to Africa, but politically Asian?) --Golbez (talk) 17:55, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Delete Pantelleria (Italy)

message: Incidentally I noticed that section States with limited recognition does not listed Azawad. I wanted to add that entity, but then I noticed in history that it actually became a political issue. As far as I understand, problem is that section is named states with limited recognition while Azawad is not recognized at all. It is clear that such guidance might lead reader astray to the conclusion that someone recognize Azawad. Anyway, this same section has listed Somaliland which also is not recognized at all. I figured it's unintentional omission but I anyway went to see other examples. Template Sovereign states of Europe in section States with limited recognition have both states with limited recognition and unrecognized entities (Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, Transnistria) while in the case of Asia case there is also Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. I'd love to hear your opinion before I make new edits.Have a nice day.--MirkoS18 (talk) 23:19, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, what do you think about adding Ceuta, Melilla? Acording to this template they are Spanish autonomous cities in Africa (it probably is not formally equal in status to territory but I think it definitely belongs). There is also Canary Islands and Madeira?--MirkoS18 (talk) 23:30, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the problem isn't the term limited recognition. After all, a state with no recognition obviously has its recognition extremely limited (See States with limited recognition). It was removed because it has collapsed, with the MNLA being replaced by the Islamists who reject independence. Due to this it doesn't exist in reality, as well as in international politics. Ceutra, Melilla, Canaries, and Plazas are already included under Spain, as they are not dependencies, but integral parts of Spain. Similarly, Madeira is included under Portugal. CMD (talk) 06:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I completely overlooked Portugal and Spain. I'm not too familiar with Azawad case, so unfortunately I didnt know for latest developments. Anyway, thanks for quick response time and explanation. Have a nice day.--MirkoS18 (talk) 10:45, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: I need your advice

message: please add in the "Unclear Sovereignty" section:
Bir Tawil
95.252.138.236 (talk) 03:29, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; it is a unique situation in the world, being the only instance of terra nullius. --Golbez (talk) 03:56, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 17 October 2012 

message: Spelling mistake:
"Orthogrpahic" should be "Orthographic" on line
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85.225.193.140 (talk) 00:46, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks! CMD (talk) 03:29, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2016 

message: Whilst disputing the very inclusion of Madeira in this template concerning countries of Africa, due to the lack of cultural, economic and political integration, this is not the issue at hand.
Madeira is under the sovereign states section; The Autonomous Region of Madeira, whilst it does have an inherent autonomy from the Portuguese Republic, is generally and legally not considered a sovereign state; instead it is an autonomous region of the Portuguese Republic. Thus, I propose the relocation of the Madeira entry to the Territories and dependencies subdivision. ns_2 (talk) 21:28, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't say Madeira is a sovereign state. It says Portugal is, and the specific part of Portugal is Madeira. It's not a dependency or territory, it's part of Portugal, just like Mayotte is part of France. --Golbez (talk) 01:35, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. It just seemed slightly arbitrary. Thank you for clarification. ns_2 (talk) 18:37, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sovereignty of Madeira