Talk:List of people from Brighton and Hove

message: Nothing against British Sea Power, but a band isn't a "notable inhabitant". If the members are notable, each such person should be noted as an individual. I've not removed the entry (immediately) though since I recognise that this might be controversial. Opinions anyone? – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 13:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are notable, and I thought it would be tidier to list them as a collective rather than seperately. SaltyWater 13:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair point about tidyness. I guess there's a difference between what's been done here, with a band then a list of names (which do have articles associated), as opposed to just mentioning a band without the members. I'm only really worried because the main Brighton article has, in the past, been flooded with enormous lists of bands, record companies and DJs... it becomes very long-winded and is often vanity-publishing when it gets down to people adding themselves. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 16:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inhabitants or attractions

message: "Aleister Crowley, author, died in a nursing home in Brighton in December 1947; ashes scattered at Devil's Dyke" Does anyone have a source for this, as far as I am aware Crowley died in a home called 'Netherwood', in Hastings, not Brighton. I believe his cremation may have happened in Brighton. Thanks. - Solar 19:01, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea, I'm afraid. But if you have a source you believe to be reliable which you can cite as a reference in the article, then considering that the existing one is unsourced, I for one would support you in being bold and changing it. If you don't have such a reference it gets more controversial, but there must be some articles on the 'net about his life though. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 00:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aleister Crowley 

message: As the title is now 'List of People from Brighton and Hove', is it now time to excise all those who spent only a short time in the area, or who were'nt born or grew up there?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.248.211 (talk) 17:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly think the answer is "No, not at all." The article guidelines suggest removing "notable" from titles, which has been done, fair enough. But I don't see any discussion about moving from "inhabitants" to "people", which I think was a mistake. The point has been discussed before, and the problem is the ambiguity of "people from". Does it mean "natives" or just inhabitants? Unsatisfactory. It certainly doesn't justify changing the list's content. – Kieran T (talk) 21:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Title 

message: Someone's continually adding Richard Hoad to the list but I keep reverting because I don't believe he's notable (see User talk:Tunjiwunji for more details). Unless someone provides evidence of notability then I'll continue reverting.--A bit iffy (talk) 16:25, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Richard Hoad

message: There's a difference of opinion regarding the notability of Margaret Pracey, formerly a town crier for Brighton. I think this one is worth putting up for general discussion to see what other editors think. Another editor has rightly pointed out that not every city official is listed here. However, the notability of this case is precisely that it was not a city appointment, but an unexpected and controversial use of a supposed antique power. I'd like to find a good reference about the situation, but I'm pretty sure it was the local paper which reported at the time that the council were unwillingly compelled to allow both this town crier and their own paid appointment to share the bell! Anyway, there's no point in my digging for references if the entry isn't deemed worthy, so let's see if this generates any opinions in the meantime! ;) Here though is a further story that came up in a quick search, showing that there were further ripples... http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Oyez,+city+has+town+crier+for+biennial.-a092144235 – Kieran T (talk) 15:58, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding notability - Please see Wikipedia:Notability (people) and Wikipedia:Notability (events). The list would become pointless if anyone who has ever been involved in a local controversy were to be listed here, unless the person or event would be worthy of an article themselves.  I don't think this fits the bill.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 16:09, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Margaret Pracey 

message: Place unreferenced or dubious content from the list in this section, to encourage further research with the aim of finding sources.  If a source is found, reinstate in the article and cross out.  Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 20:04, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Attenborough was Chancellor of Sussex University from 1998-2008.  Not sure if we'd consider that worthy of inclusion.  --Rob Sinden (talk) 12:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced info moved from list, and general things to check 

message: I've been spending a little bit time correcting a few things in this list and generally going around it with a broom. But I've been thinking to myself: Why am I doing this? What is this list? It's quite a strange list really. It includes people who were born in Brighton and Hove, but might never have anything do with the place after that. It also includes people who did live a significant part of their life in Brighton and Hove, alongside people who may have had the most fleeting or temporary assocation with the city. It's very hard sometimes to find verifiable sources to whether someone lived or ineed lives in Brighton and Hove. It also demands a lot of maintenance to a take account of people's movements. Aren't we just in danger of duplicating a lot of information? Would it not be better to focus an giving the relevent biographical articles better categories then maintaining this list? The only advantage I can think of is that it provides a sort-of interesting single list that provides some brief context of why the person might be interesting (e.g. author, cricketer etc) which you can't get from categories (which is just a bald list). Hmm. I don't know!
What's the policy on lists? I've just been looking at Featured list criteria for some help. When you look at featured list, you realise what a good list could look like. They are either static-like (e.g. List of UK Singles Chart number ones of the 1980s) or are mostly static with obvious incremental changes (e.g. List of premiers of Nova Scotia). I suppose maybe an interesting sort of list might be "People born in Brighton and Hove". At least that would be easier to verify. Seaweed (talk) 14:09, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the same problem with any "List of people from... " or "Category:People from... ", because it's difficult to stop editors adding people based on the flimsiest of connections. But with all lists of people (particularly living people) the entries need to be reliably verifiable. I've been going through some of the people on this list and, if their connection to Brighton isn't verified (sometimes not even mentioned) in their Wikipedia article I've been removing them from the list. Sionk (talk) 19:05, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds reasonable to me. I'll try and help out as well. Seaweed (talk) 12:53, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I started doing the same quite a long time ago (see section above), but then got pulled on to other things/distracted ... it's a time-consuming and difficult task to maintain and reference a list like this.  I would support a split into two lists: something like "List of people born in Brighton and Hove" (which would presumably resemble the category but would provide more context) and something like "List of people associated with Brighton and Hove", which would also be quite interesting although perhaps harder to reference.  I would be happy to work on referencing, as I started to do about 18 months ago (was it really that long!?); I have access to quite a wide range of B&H-related books.  Maybe starting a user subpage/sandbox would be the way to go?  Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:00, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  What are we trying to achieve with this list? 

message: After researching why George Canning was included on this last, it would appear he stayed in Brighton during ill health in 1827 (the same year that he died). A building in Marine Parade has a grey tablet remarking on his stay, but is brief. Surely this list isn't about listing the place of every notable person once stayed! It's not even though he died in Brighton, which might be notable. I can't find any strong connection between George Canning and Brighton. That's why I removed him from the list. This is another example of where a very tenuous link between a person and Brighton and Hove gives a very exaggerated and not entirely helpful understanding of either the person or the place! Seaweed (talk) 20:24, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Canning 

message: I think I've got into a sort-of edit revert situation with an IP user regarding Robin Bextor. I first removed this unreferenced point that "Robin Bextor lives in Brighton" from this page on 30 November 2015. This was reverted by an IP user on 6 December, which in itself was reverted by another user on the same day. On 2 May 2016 a different IP user reverted my original edit thereby reinstating Robin Bextor on this list. I going to remove Robin Bextor from this list again and see what happens. We might end up in WP:3RR territory. I still can't see why Robin Bextor should be on this list as there is no reference for it. If you are the same person reverting this edit, please provide a reference to why this should be included. You may find the Five pillars policy useful. Thanks.Seaweed (talk) 19:06, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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