Talk:Jesus (1979 film)

message: :You are correct in pointing out a discrepancy with the "4 billion people" number in the statistics section. The published stat (remember, Wikipedia can only quote published sources, so rather you agree with a stat or not it's all we have to work is) claims that the film's viewership is over 5 billion--one person who sees the film multiple times gets counted each time the film is viewed. Whoever wrote in the article "Including unique and non-unique viewings, the conservative estimate is that 4 billion people have viewed the film" obviously worded the sentance incorrectly, so I'm going to edit it accordingly.
:The criticism section was moved to the discussion page (scroll down) until it could be properly sourced and rewritten without weasel words.
:The phrase "decisions for Christ" should state that "over 200 million people have indicated making a decision to receive Christ" after viewing the film. The shorthand phrase "decisions for Christ" is Christian jargon.
:I'm going to make the edits mentioned above and remove the NPOV template.
:--Sixtrojans 04:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The phrase "making a decision to receive Christ" is also jargon.  Some Christians, myself included, understand this phrase as a reference to the Communion service, which I think is not what is meant here.  May I suggest ""over 200 million people have indicated making a decision to become a Christian"?  It's a hard one to de-jargonise because each way of putting it reflects a POV. 94.173.202.21 (talk) 10:29, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  News 

message: What do you reckon this is supposed to say:
:Some locations used in the film, such as the River Jordan and what is believed to be the home of Simon the Tanner were used.
--Jim Henry 02:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest "Some Biblical sites were used in location shots in the film, for example the River Jordan and the purported home of Simon the Tanner."  94.173.202.21 (talk) 10:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incoherent sentence? 

message: === Section in Progress ===
A criticism of Jesus, particularly by liberal Christians{source}, is that the film is melodramatic{source} and a weak attempt{source} to commercialize the faith.{source}
Another criticism is that its depiction of the passion (suffering) of Jesus does not feature the crown of thorns.{source} Supporters of the film say{source} this is due to the fact that the Gospel of Luke does not mention the crown of thorns.  Although the opening of the film features a quote from the Gospel of John, the omission of the crown of thorns may have been a production decision to remain as accurate as possible to the Gospel of Luke.{source}
=== Discussion of Criticism Section ===
I moved the criticism section to the talk page for discussion. In its original form in the article, it lacked NPOV and didn't offer any sources. --Sixtrojans 20:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticisms Section Needs Sources and Editing 

message: I moved the criticism section to the talk page for discussion. In its original form in the article, it lacked NPOV and didn't offer any sources. --Sixtrojans 20:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion of Criticism Section 

message: Today someone modified the text to say that Jesus Film Teams have shown the film in 229 nations, which comes, I believe, from the Jesus Film statistics page. Could someone please explain how they are counting countries around the world? Most authorities (United Nations, CIA Fact Book) claim there are only 191 or 192 nations around the world. Was the Island on LOST finally discovered? Now that would be something if the Dharma folks had a Jesus orientation film hidden in one of the hatches. --Sixtrojans 23:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem lies in the definition of the term "nation". The film has been shown all over the world, including in "nations" that some people might not count as separate countries such as Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau (all technically part of China, but having a certain degree of autonomy) or countries with questionable status such as the Vatican, Antarctica or Western Sahara. See Wikipedia's list of countries for more food for thought. The project's webpage ought to have a list of countries or drop the statistic; it appears they may have done the latter. BBrucker2 (talk) 06:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Nations 

message: I'm proposing that Jesus Film Project be merged here. The article cites no sources, and isn't independently notable outside of it's association with this film.-Andrew c [talk] 15:43, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. The organization has a history and commitments of its own. It is not just about the film. -Garik 11 12:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you try to address my concerns? The article has no sources and doesn't establish notability outside association with this film. I believe the article doesn't meet WP:ORG and therefore could easily qualify for deletion. I'm trying to salvage content, but we have to keep in mind content needs to meet wikipedia policies and be verifiable.-Andrew c [talk] 14:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it does meet WP:ORG#Non-commercial_organizations (activities far from being local in scope, longevity, size, etc). Also, I've slightly trimmed the article . -Garik 11 15:42, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You do realize that if the scope of activities are national or international in scale and information can be verified by sources that are reliable and independent of the organization. The two citations you added are not independent of the organization. Notability has to be established if it has been the subject of coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. It goes on and says press releases (what you cited) do not count towards this goal. Please don't get me wrong. I'm really glad you are working on this article. I'm just trying to make sure that you understand out guidelines, and that your efforts are pointed in the right direction (so they don't go to waste if the notability guidelines are not meet and the article deleted). Thanks for your work so far!-Andrew c [talk] 15:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Leaving aside the quality of the other article, I think it makes sense to merge the two. Neither is a very long article; the Jesus Film Project's existence is entirely bound up with the film, and a separate section on the organization would be entirely appropriate. 199.71.183.2 16:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to look into expanding the other article, as I have a friend who works for the project, and he ought to be able to get me some independent sources of info. While it is mainly noteworthy for its association with the film, the film is only part of what they do, and without the project, as I think is indicated in the article, the movie would have been no more than a nother box-office flop footnote in the pages of history. The JESUS Film Project has shown the film all over the world in over a thousand languages, and continues to develop other versions and new media projects far less directly related to the film. BBrucker2 (talk) 06:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking forward to your contribution to that one.Garik 11 (talk) 07:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

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Maybe we can make a new article about the jesus film project. because it may be to long and there may be new articles about the film and the project. we can get some ideas from the official jesus film project website. (jesusfilm.org) Stevenphil (talk) 22:45, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new article for the jesus film project....................... 

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replies: text: Please also see my comment above at 'Fair use rationale for Image:Jesus.film.1979.jpg'  94.173.202.21 (talk) 10:46, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Jesusfilm.jpg

message: ===starting text===
Jesus (alternately called The Jesus Film), is a 1979 motion picture which depicts the life of Jesus Christ according primarily to the Gospel of Luke in the Christian Bible.  It was co-directed by Australian Peter Sykes and Englishman John Krisch and filmed in Israel.
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Jesus (alternately called The Jesus Film), is a 1979 motion picture dramatizing the life of Jesus.  It was co-directed by Peter Sykes and John Krisch and co-produced by John Heyman and Richard F. Dalton.  The screenplay, based almost exclusively on the Gospel of LukeThe JESUS Film Project | Why was the film based on the Gospel of Luke?, was written by Barnet Bain under the pseudonym Barnet Fishbein.  It was filmed in Israel over several months at locations referred to in Luke.  Footage for Jesus For Children, which replaces much of Jesus' more graphic and violent scenes, was filmed concurrently with the main production.  Most of the film's $6 million budget was donated.
It stars British Shakespearian actor Brian Deacon in the titular role.
Jesus was distributed in the United States by Warner Bros. Pictures on October 19, 1979.  After its original theatrical run, the Jesus Film Project, the organization created to distribute the film, began to translate it into non-English languages and employed it as an evangelical tool.  Jesus has been presented throughout the world in a variety of locales.  According to a New York Times article, it is likely the most-viewed motion picture in history; according to the article, over five billion people have seen it.The Passion and the Precedent: The Most-Watched Film Ever? - NYTimes.com  To date, Jesus has been translated to 1,098 languages.  Audio dramatizations are available in 425 languages.The JESUS Film Project | Languages Completed
:GeorgeC - put your text above here
===discussion of proposed changes version #1===
:See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(lead_section) for style guidelines to writing a lead. Sixtrojans (talk) 01:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: New article lead

message: :See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(lead_section) for style guidelines to writing a lead. Sixtrojans (talk) 01:18, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: discussion of proposed changes version #1