Talk:Brooke Lyons

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The following discussion was originally posted on User talk:Ponyo:
== Brooke Lyons' birth date ==
I know IMDb not considered 100% reliable, but the fact that Ms. Lyons has her IMDb page linked in her official website (http://www.brookelyons.com/), maybe there is validity to that birth date. If she did not want her birth date known, a date would not be put up on IMDb at all. QuasyBoy 21:16, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I was hoping there would be a more substantial reference than IMDB, which is no way whatsoever meets reliable sourcing criteria for personal info (see WP:IMDB/WP:IMDB/RS for example). A link to IMDB on her website does not mean that she has vetted and agrees with all of the information presented on the website and I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume this is the case. As BLP policy dictates that contentious information should be removed until a reliable source is found this bit of info should not be included until it can be verified through a reliable source (it's unfortunate that she does not include some biographical information on her official website!). There have been many instances wherein we have received emails from BLP subjects or their representatives via WP:OTRS lamenting that we have used IMDB as a source for their date of birth, place of birth etc. and they question why we allow it to be happen. This is why, if questions as to the validity of a date arises, and the only source is IMDB, it's best to remove it completely until verified. This is supported by policy, and could ultimately save volunteers from having to answer another angry email from a (rightfully) frustrated subject. I hope this reply doesn't read as preachy, it's not intended to; I'm only attempting to explain why I'm so obstinate against using that particular user-generated site. Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 21:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just made a search on Veromi.net, here's what I got:  QuasyBoy 21:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Veromi.net doesn't meet WP:RS as it calls for conjecture (assuming that the names results are the person in question). There has been previous discussion regarding Vermoni here as well. Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 21:51, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: OK then, I found this Twitter post from her  dated November 8th (the same date on IMDb) mentioning that date as her birthday. The account is not verified but the same Twitter account is listed on her website. QuasyBoy 22:02, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you can use the twitter link as the source and copy this whole conversation to the article talk page? That way if the veracity of the date is challenged in the future we can just point to the talk page discussion and sources already compiled.  Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 22:11, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I'll do that. I guess in the mean time, no birth date info in the actual article then right? QuasyBoy 22:17, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think if you link to her twitter message in the article and point to the talk page (with this discussion moved there) it should be ok. Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 22:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do, what about the year? (1980 is the only one we know about), add that that to the article as well? QuasyBoy 22:24, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately she didn't tweet "today is my xteenth birthday!" or somesuch (because that would be too easy right?). Let's go with the day/month for now and I'll keep my eyes open for a reliable source for the year confirmation. For what it's worth I checked LexisNexis and a couple of other pay sites I have access to but came up empty handed.--Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 22:34, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, Thanks a lot for the help. :) QuasyBoy 22:37, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
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message: I know IMDb not considered 100% reliable, but the fact that Ms. Lyons has her IMDb page linked in her official website (http://www.brookelyons.com/), maybe there is validity to that birth date. If she did not want her birth date known, a date would not be put up on IMDb at all. QuasyBoy 21:16, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I was hoping there would be a more substantial reference than IMDB, which is no way whatsoever meets reliable sourcing criteria for personal info (see WP:IMDB/WP:IMDB/RS for example). A link to IMDB on her website does not mean that she has vetted and agrees with all of the information presented on the website and I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume this is the case. As BLP policy dictates that contentious information should be removed until a reliable source is found this bit of info should not be included until it can be verified through a reliable source (it's unfortunate that she does not include some biographical information on her official website!). There have been many instances wherein we have received emails from BLP subjects or their representatives via WP:OTRS lamenting that we have used IMDB as a source for their date of birth, place of birth etc. and they question why we allow it to be happen. This is why, if questions as to the validity of a date arises, and the only source is IMDB, it's best to remove it completely until verified. This is supported by policy, and could ultimately save volunteers from having to answer another angry email from a (rightfully) frustrated subject. I hope this reply doesn't read as preachy, it's not intended to; I'm only attempting to explain why I'm so obstinate against using that particular user-generated site. Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 21:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just made a search on Veromi.net, here's what I got:  QuasyBoy 21:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Veromi.net doesn't meet WP:RS as it calls for conjecture (assuming that the names results are the person in question). There has been previous discussion regarding Vermoni here as well. Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 21:51, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: OK then, I found this Twitter post from her  dated November 8th (the same date on IMDb) mentioning that date as her birthday. The account is not verified but the same Twitter account is listed on her website. QuasyBoy 22:02, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you can use the twitter link as the source and copy this whole conversation to the article talk page? That way if the veracity of the date is challenged in the future we can just point to the talk page discussion and sources already compiled.  Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 22:11, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I'll do that. I guess in the mean time, no birth date info in the actual article then right? QuasyBoy 22:17, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think if you link to her twitter message in the article and point to the talk page (with this discussion moved there) it should be ok. Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 22:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do, what about the year? (1980 is the only one we know about), add that that to the article as well? QuasyBoy 22:24, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately she didn't tweet "today is my xteenth birthday!" or somesuch (because that would be too easy right?). Let's go with the day/month for now and I'll keep my eyes open for a reliable source for the year confirmation. For what it's worth I checked LexisNexis and a couple of other pay sites I have access to but came up empty handed.--Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 22:34, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, Thanks a lot for the help. :) QuasyBoy 22:37, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brooke Lyons' birth date 

message: There is still a 99% chance that 1980 is in fact Brook Lyons' birth year. But as my previous discussion with User:Ponyo shows, can't add it without a reference (Can't use IMDb). If anyone can access the actual birth year on this site , feel free to add it to the article. QuasyBoy 19:45, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Search for birth year