Talk:David Clarke (Australian politician)

message: I'm considering putting this entry up for Wikipedia:Third_opinion. This will prevent personal attacks on me from third parties and prevent third parties with vested interest from editing until neutrality is resolved. Michellecrisp 04:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Saying you have voilated NPOV is not a personal attack, it is an objective assessment of your history. In anycase, considering the POV issue was only raised recently, and already Kewpid and others have made significant improvements to the site, I would hope that this could be resolved amicably with no necessity for Third Opinions. But if you feel the need, go ahead. I just think it's premature.LibStu 05:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  An objective assessment of my history may be seeing my long list of sporting and geographical contributions and checking each one for NPOV. How can you be objective if you've made false accusation of long history of editing Liberal sites. Check my contributions they're all citated on Liberal related entries, nor have I removed anything (that is citated) that is perceived as providing balance. Michellecrisp 05:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Third Opinion

message: Could he/she be any more subtle about who they work for? An identity created for the sole purpose of editing one site? Violation of Wikipedia rule "Disruptive "throwaway" account used only for a few edits" 210.56.72.9 14:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Will the DCDefender now "defend" the other David Clarkes appearing on Wikipedia. or perhaps they'll reveal their connection to LibStu? Michellecrisp 03:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is DCDefender and LibStu none other than Ben Potts? Michellecrisp 03:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Let us hope others do not suffer what happened to User:Jeendan because of the political motives of others. Jeendan was a good editor. Michellecrisp 14:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DCDefender

message: Do you think being pictured in a book about someone is worthy of inclusion here? LibStu 07:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I only reordered it, it could be expanded with info from http://www.smh.com.au/news/obituaries/ardent-nazi-took-liberal-to-extremes/2006/03/03/1141191845008.html and http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2006/s1688866.htm Michellecrisp 07:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh I recognise you reworded it, didn't add that section. Just was unsure if it was of sufficient import to warrent inclusionLibStu 08:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

text:  Also, I believe virtually every single MP/senator has attended Young Liberal Events, i'm not quite sure why it is of note that David Clarke has as well...LibStu 08:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By stating this without citation I fail to see how it passes Wiki rules on verification. Do you have any evidence that David attends YL events more frequently than any other member of parliament? LibStu 15:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Before Politics

message: This article portrays a very negative picture of David Clarke, and has little encyclepedic or biographical content Auspoliticsbuff (talk) 04:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: well this has been debated before. there are over 30 citations in this article. Clarke is a controversial figure but there is nothing stopping you adding things on his achievements if they are citated. he seems to be more famous for his controversy than decisions or actions he's made as a MLC. Michellecrisp (talk) 06:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  You will note that I did not make any criticisms of this article on the issue of verifiability, rather I did on neutrality. I do not dispute that he is a contraversial figure, however, this article is one which gives undue weight to the negative, has no biographical information, and starts off by implying that his entire early life was involved iwth Llyenco - Wiki guidelines on structure discuss how this can be against policies on neutrality. Auspoliticsbuff (talk) 07:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice that these concerns have been raised before, so perhaps its time to do something about it and work together to improve this article! :) Auspoliticsbuff (talk) 08:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The main concern isn't so much with content as with tone, from what I can see. That and violations of the Manual of Style for headings and some grammatical issues, which usually to me suggest some of the content was added by one or two people at the sidelines. I would agree that he's almost synonymous with controversy - especially after the Four Corners program and the Brogden business. Will have a look tonight and see what I can do with what's there - it's always a challenge sorting the wheat from the chaff with these sorts of cases in terms of available information, but it's doable and has been done before. Orderinchaos 22:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed Auspoliticsbuff (talk) 09:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: Orderinchaos has edited the article suggesting it is in breach of Wikipedia policies. It would perhaps be helpful if s/he made his case here because it's far from clear in the edit summary. --Johnnyturk888 (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
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