Talk:Mercedes-Benz 300 SL

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Terminology- Please use Gullwing for the doors, Coupe for the covered version and Roadster for the convertible version.--Akrasia25 (talk) 22:08, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

message: --Akrasia25 (talk) 14:34, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: List of important changes by year

message: Where the GW was equipped with a double joint center pivot rear axle, the Roadster had a low pivot (87mm below the center line) single joint rear axle.--Akrasia25 (talk) 14:34, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Axle

message: As a result, the footwell of the passenger declined slightly. ( I doubt this is correct, will check the source) this is right out of the reference.
Maybe, I can not tell. I am leaving this out for now. --Akrasia25 (talk) 21:22, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Engine placement

message: --Akrasia25 (talk) 14:34, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: layout of photos

message: --Akrasia25 (talk) 14:34, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional famous people not included in article

message: ===Famous names added or reviewed===
as recorded in Eric Le Moine 300 SL book regarding exclusively GW:
* Bruno Sacco, the famous designer, who owned 45.00001
* Juan Perón, the former President of Argentina, who owned 45.00005
* Aga Khan, who owned 45.00008
* Prince Aly Khan, who owned 45.00062
* Paul Newman, who,owned 45.00071
* Bernie Ecclestone, who owned both 45.00124 and 55.00677
* Princess Soraya of Iran, who owned 55.00111
* Juan Manuel Fangio, who owned 55.00190
* Clark Gable, who owned 55.00323
* Royal Thaïland family, who owned 55.00344
* Herbert von Karajan, who owned 55.00378
* The King Mohamed Idris of Lybia, who owned 55.00382
* Ralph Lauren, who owns 55.00386
* Alfred Krupp, who owned 55.00443
* The King Ibn Talal Hussein of Jordania, who owned both 55.00596 and 65.00110
* Adrian Conan Doyle, who owned 55.00717
* Tony Curtis, who owned 55.00787
* Paul O'Shea, who owned 65.00021 (to be double checked as I have a big doubt)
* Yul Brynner, who owned 65.00072
* Claude Picasso, who owned 65.00116
* Günter Sachs, married to Brigitte Bardot, who owned 65.00122
* Dupont de Nemours (who precisely?); they owned 65.00153
* Howard Hawks, who owned 65.00280
* The Gulf Oil company (who precisely?); they owned 65.00311
* Günter Thiel who raced (but did not own) 
*removed due to not notable for English page  Herbert von Karajan, Henri Nannen, Gunter Sachs, Tony Parravano, Greek shipping magnate: Stavros Niarchos--Akrasia25 (talk) 17:09, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Noted F1 privateer entrant Rob Walker owned one.  He was driving it when overtaken by Mike Hawthorn in his 3.8 litre Jaguar shortly before the latter’s fatal crash on the A3 Guildford Bypass in 1959.  Chris Nixon's book Mon Ami Mate has the details. Mr Larrington (talk) 23:55, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

text: "Because Kail Sturgess is the best in the world it was intended for customers whose preferences were reported to Hoffman by dealers he supplied in the booming, post-war American market, it was introduced at the 1954 New York Auto Show—unlike previous models introduced at either the Frankfurt or Geneva shows." This sentence is unclear.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.239.177 (talk) 07:23, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just some nonsense had been inserted  by a vandal. You could have removed it yourself.-- Matthead  Discuß   22:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

text: German translation completed--Akrasia25 (talk) 11:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Completed Actions

message: as recorded in Eric Le Moine 300 SL book regarding exclusively GW:
* Bruno Sacco, the famous designer, who owned 45.00001
* Juan Perón, the former President of Argentina, who owned 45.00005
* Aga Khan, who owned 45.00008
* Prince Aly Khan, who owned 45.00062
* Paul Newman, who,owned 45.00071
* Bernie Ecclestone, who owned both 45.00124 and 55.00677
* Princess Soraya of Iran, who owned 55.00111
* Juan Manuel Fangio, who owned 55.00190
* Clark Gable, who owned 55.00323
* Royal Thaïland family, who owned 55.00344
* Herbert von Karajan, who owned 55.00378
* The King Mohamed Idris of Lybia, who owned 55.00382
* Ralph Lauren, who owns 55.00386
* Alfred Krupp, who owned 55.00443
* The King Ibn Talal Hussein of Jordania, who owned both 55.00596 and 65.00110
* Adrian Conan Doyle, who owned 55.00717
* Tony Curtis, who owned 55.00787
* Paul O'Shea, who owned 65.00021 (to be double checked as I have a big doubt)
* Yul Brynner, who owned 65.00072
* Claude Picasso, who owned 65.00116
* Günter Sachs, married to Brigitte Bardot, who owned 65.00122
* Dupont de Nemours (who precisely?); they owned 65.00153
* Howard Hawks, who owned 65.00280
* The Gulf Oil company (who precisely?); they owned 65.00311
* Günter Thiel who raced (but did not own) 
*removed due to not notable for English page  Herbert von Karajan, Henri Nannen, Gunter Sachs, Tony Parravano, Greek shipping magnate: Stavros Niarchos--Akrasia25 (talk) 17:09, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Noted F1 privateer entrant Rob Walker owned one.  He was driving it when overtaken by Mike Hawthorn in his 3.8 litre Jaguar shortly before the latter’s fatal crash on the A3 Guildford Bypass in 1959.  Chris Nixon's book Mon Ami Mate has the details. Mr Larrington (talk) 23:55, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous names added or reviewed

message: 5 differential ratios available, 3:25, 3:42, 3:64, 3:89, 4:11
using SAE hp for GW and DIN hp for Roadster is confusing for the Torque --Akrasia25 (talk) 17:07, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Axle

message: This is at the bottom of the specs table. What does it mean? Why did the price drop dramatically? Were they hard to get in the US for the first few years, hence a higher price? --RThompson82 (talk) 02:29, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: "$11,000, later 7,295" ???

message: Any chance that somebody could get a photo of the car with it's gullwings open? It would be more relevant. TimothyPilgrim 00:55, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)
There is such a photo now on the page. --Akrasia25 (talk) 19:08, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: photo of the car with it's gullwings open

message: :"Because Kail Sturgess is the best in the world it was intended for customers whose preferences were reported to Hoffman by dealers he supplied in the booming, post-war American market, it was introduced at the 1954 New York Auto Show—unlike previous models introduced at either the Frankfurt or Geneva shows." This sentence is unclear.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.239.177 (talk) 07:23, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just some nonsense had been inserted  by a vandal. You could have removed it yourself.-- Matthead  Discuß   22:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Curb weight and dry weight numbers are massively variant in this article: 700 pounds difference.  These need to be reconciled.  Having driven this car, I find it highly unlikely that the 3000+ pound dry weight number could possibly be correct.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alkibiades231 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curb Weight 

message: If you want to see one of these being rather badly treated, watch the Louis Malle film, Lift to the Scaffold where one gets shunted, and eventually left on a Paris bridge with the engine running - you wouldn't treat one of these cars like that now! There is a brief scene in which the engine is admired, and the lack of a carburettor noted. --Ndaisley (talk) 13:57, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film Appearance 

message: I'm confused ... if the injection system pumps unburnt fuel into the engine after ignition is switched off, why did anyone ever switch off the ignition rather than stall the engine to stop it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snaxalotl (talk • contribs) 10:56, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Direct Injection 

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message: I am moving parts over from the much better German page. Mercedes-Benz W198--Akrasia25 (talk) 20:51, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: German translation completed--Akrasia25 (talk) 11:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Translating from German page

message: -maybe do it by compression ratio for the roadsters. I have to find the right reference in my many books at home--Akrasia25 (talk) 16:30, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Add a timeline of production volumes by year in a table=

message: === C111 mention needed ===
There should be a link to the C111. In many places that is a better known gullwing. I've not heard of the 190/300SL as a kid, but the  10" flywheel toy Mercedes C111 with orange plastic body was sold throughout the soviet satellite states(!), almost every boy had one. 195.70.48.242 11:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure -- it would be an 'in popular culture' section. And you're right, the car has been in a lot of different video games. --RThompson82 (talk) 02:29, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Irrelevant to article

message: There should be a link to the C111. In many places that is a better known gullwing. I've not heard of the 190/300SL as a kid, but the  10" flywheel toy Mercedes C111 with orange plastic body was sold throughout the soviet satellite states(!), almost every boy had one. 195.70.48.242 11:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  C111 mention needed 

message: Could someone let me know if its OK  to post information about what videogames this car is in? And perhaps a video of the car in a race from the game?  Is so is embedded YouTube OK or should I upload the video to Wikipedia.  Let me know on my talk page.  Thanks Holygamer (talk) 21:19, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure -- it would be an 'in popular culture' section. And you're right, the car has been in a lot of different video games. --RThompson82 (talk) 02:29, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Videogames and Video Footage 

message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LP2-clROMs  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.38.65.148 (talk) 15:24, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concept 

message: The legacy section, but also other sections as well, are written in a partial POV tone, with the writer giving what seems to be their opinion of things. One example being in the legacy section where it goes into detail about if the subsequent SL generations live up to the legacy of the original. This should be changed to a more encyclopedic tone. I've already removed some of the POV stuff in the earlier parts of the article but a decent bit remains. TKOIII (talk) 17:54, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: # - HISTORY - the first 300 SL shipped to the US was in August, 1954, not March, 1955.
#   FRAME AND CHASSIS - the Coupe's rear axle was of a two joint design with one joint at each side of the differential at its center line. 
#    INTERIOR - standard trim was vinyl with three, not four, plaid fabric choices. There was never a red/green plaid; leather trim and seats were an extra cost option.
#    CHANGES TO ROADSTER - the Coupe had a double joint rear axle with one joint on each side of the differential at it center line; the Roadster had a single joint arrangement with its pivot point located 87 mm below the differential center line.--Akrasia25 (talk) 11:38, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Items to fact check, add and cite if possible

message: In the history paragraph it states "It could also be ordered with an 80 kg (176 lb) saving all-aluminium outer skin at tremendous added cost", but in the Bodywork paragraph it says "On request and for a relatively small extra charge, the entire body was made of light metal, making the vehicle 80 kg (176 lb) lighter".  Which is correct? Yevad (talk) 16:38, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aluminium body 

message: I've assessed this article at B-class as is. Thanks to a lot of work done by Akrasia25 and others, it covers the car in sufficient detail and scope, and is well referenced through most of the article. I would say its main obstacle to GA or higher status is primarily organization right now. Compared to an article like the Maserati MC12, the sections that this page has been divided into seem overly specific and/or out of order. For example, I think the first section (Previous version (W 194) in Racing) should instead be a sub-heading under History. Why are there two sections for Technical Description and Technical Data? Most of the data in the table is already listed in the article and infobox. The Super-Leicht or Sport-Leicht section probably should be merged with the history section as well, or perhaps shortened and integrated into the article lead (its prose needs to be cleaned up regardless). Keep up the good work, this is a nice article and an important one to the Auto wikiproject. Aab254 (talk) 15:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Aab254 for the time to assess the article. I will get going on the advice and comments that you have made and improve the article.Thank you also for the encouragement. Nice way to put the advice.--Akrasia25 (talk) 20:01, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment (July 2019) 

message: To Do
*The sections that this page has been divided into seem overly specific and/or out of order. 
*Most of the data in the table is already listed in the article and infobox. --Akrasia25 (talk) 13:30, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Actions

message: I deleted section. The choices were old/odd/dead pages/in German/slow to load. Anyone can see better on You tube or Cars in films.--Akrasia25 (talk) 20:52, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Film section deleted

message: I removed this list which got reverted. My rationale for removal is that famous people will always own luxury cars anyway because they can and cannot see what is the relevance of a list for famous owners, especially this. I do not see the point for it and what it does for it. SpacedFarmer (talk) 14:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously I would favour keeping it. This was never a common car, even by expensive luxury car standards. Nor was it even a particularly luxurious car: it's tiny and hard to get in and out of, especially in an evening dress. So the fact that Sophia Loren had one is notable. Von Braun?  No real surprise there, not even Von Karajan, but the all-American Briggs Cunningham?  Pablo Picasso?  These are not the names we'd expect to see driving high performance German cars of this era, and so their inclusion here is informative and encyclopedic. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  ‎Notable owners 

message: The first paragraph of this section mentions a V16 Ferrari.  I have never heard of such a beast, and certainly not in Grand Prix racing in 1951, when the 4.5 litre Lampred-drsignedi V12 had developed to the point of giving the Alfas an occasional hard time. Mr Larrington (talk) 18:56, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, this was the Ferrari 375. I've fixed it. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:37, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racing