Talk:List of nicknames of presidents of the United States

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message: added five Trump nicknames that are not in common use, required by the article lead. I removed and they re-added. There are a vast number of uncommon nicknames, mostly derogatory like these. Derogatory nicknames are allowed -- only if they were in common use. I suggest a self-revert. O3000, Ret. (talk) 20:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Citing the article lead as the source for removal is self-referential. The lead is not a policy. Please define "common use"  and what constitutes "at the time they were in office or shortly thereafter." The additional nicknames are sourced with WP:RS, and have been used since their introduction during the trial. Trump is less than one term out-of-office...does that satisfy the leads "shortly thereafter"?GobsPint (talk) 17:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The description in the lead is what this list is about. There are a million names thrown at presidents during their elections and terms. That's natural in politics. This is a historical article. It is about nicknames throughout two centuries of presidents. Other people have to be using the name over a period of time such that it endures (or will endure) in history books. Such that it become common usage. There is no reason to believe that one insult uttered by one person or media outlet will stand the test of time. O3000, Ret. (talk) 17:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: What time frame is sufficient to determine common usage? Why can't additional, notable sourced nicknames be listed? GobsPint (talk) 12:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If they are not in common usage now, they aren't in common usage, which is the subject of this list. Common usage means lots of people are using it, not lots of sources reported that someone used it. How does Donald Von ShitzInPantz compare with George Washington called the father of our country? O3000, Ret. (talk) 13:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Where would you place nicknames of presidents that meet WP:RS if not here? What constitutes common usage if not multiple sources repeating the same nickname?GobsPint (talk) 05:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: How are they repeating it? Are they repeating the same story? That's one usage, not common usage. We can't include everything that every president has been called. What historical value would that have? O3000, Ret. (talk) 11:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:RS, we report the facts. Excluding sourced nicknames, gives WP:UNDUE to the existing nicknames. There is value in a more inclusive, nuanced timeline of nicknames. GobsPint (talk) 06:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: We report DUE facts. We do not report the thousand names these folks have been once called by some person in anger. Few people have heard "orange turd" now, very few, if any, notable new uses will likely exist, and basically no one is likely to remember it in a few years. WP:10YT As for RS, of course the news sources jumped on it. But we are WP:NOTNEWS. O3000, Ret. (talk) 11:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncommon nicknames