Talk:List of common Chinese surnames

message: Request an additional column with exact pronunciations, either phonetic transcription or embedded sound files. We have many columns with multiple transliterations, unfortunately missing one with pronunciation. Possibly, small sound files, if not all pronunciations can be correctly represented using phonetic transcription. Atif.hussain (talk) 02:06, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Pinyin is phonetic. Further, it's phonetic for one dialect of Chinese. The entire point of the additional columns and variant spellings is that the pronunciations change from dialect to subdialect to language. — LlywelynII 12:58, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation column 

message: Is there any rankings by province or by region? It would be interesting to see the picture how some surnames are concentrated in certain regions. I've tried looking up on the internet but seems there isn't any. — Instantnood 23:58, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
:Some info (very limited) is given on Chinese surname. --Dpr 08:15, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Rankings by province/region

message: Does the column for simplified character need to be filled in cases (of which there are several), in which the traditional and simplified form are identical? --Dpr 07:57, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just solved the redundancy issue.  See if that works. -- Felix Wan 21:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundancy

message: Most, if not all of the statistics I've seen list Kim as the most common Korean surname, but it is not indicated as such here.  Instead, Lee/Yi is noted as the most common.  Why? 82.123.155.250 18:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a list of the top 100 Chinese surnames, and Li/Lee is the most common Chinese surname overall (7.9% of the population).  Obviously, you can expect regional variations among populations.  For instance, in Taiwan, the most common is Chen (11%), and Lee drops to #4, as you can see here.  Kim ranks #1 in Korea (20% there) but is not as common among the Chinese (ranking #56 in the current list).  For Korean names you may want to check the List of Korean family names.  HYC 04:20, 22 Jan 2006 (UTC)

text: Another case of Korean pride...  this is a list of Chinese surnames.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.213.191.242 (talk) 05:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, don't think it's a problem with his reading comprehension. He was talking about the Korean and Vietnamese rankings noted in the table. Since they're unsourced and have several errors, will remove and link through to real (and maintained) lists instead. — LlywelynII 02:24, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korean surnames 

message: Does the list have only Han surnames? Is it in order of the commonest? LDHan 21:10, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All the people in China. Ma, for instance, is so popular because it's common with Hui and Uyghurs. — LlywelynII 12:52, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Han names only or all people in China?

message: Wouldn´t it be better in ocidental alphabetical order (of course, respecting each section), just like the chinese page? 201.6.253.247 14:07, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a list of the 100 most common names listed by frequency, while the Chinese page zh:中文姓氏列表 is a simply list of all Chinese surnames.  The two pages serve different purposes and are not equivalent to one another. -- HYC 10:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alphabetical order

message: --Rapunzel77gil 16:43, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake in Romanized surname 陸 

message: The text in the table is showing up in Times Roman.  Can the font be changed to Arial so that it's not forced into Times?  Thank you,  Badagnani 08:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Font 

message: --CopyToWiktionaryBot 22:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007-02-11 Automated pywikipediabot message 

message: The Word "Chiu" have two different Chinese word:"邱" or "丘"
邱 much more common than its counterpart 丘
I think it need to be noted in the article. Hattonchiu1 05:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Word "Chiu" 

message: Vote here:  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Korean family names (2nd nomination).  Badagnani 05:41, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Korean surnames up for deletion 

message: I'm inclined to remove the rankings included for Vietnamese and Korean surnames for the following reasons:
# uncited source(s)
# likelihood that the rankings are neither current nor complete
# in what year were those ranks determined?  1990 or 2006 or other?
# what methodology did they use to arrive at those ranks?
-- Robocoder (t|c) 05:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good points. Will do & link through to common name list. — LlywelynII 02:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for Vietnamese and Korean surname rank? 

message: Do I infer correctly that Pun is a Cantonese spelling, and that according to standard Wikipedia practice the article should reside at Pan (surname)?  I created the Pun (surname) article from content inappropriately inserted into Pun.  In any case, if Pun (surname) is moved to Pan (surname), please also make the appropriate correction at Pun (disambiguation).  Wareh 15:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's likely.  I can't think of any Chinese character off the top of my head that is Pinyin'ed as Pun.  You are likely correct that it is Pan in Mandarin.  But I don't know the history of the surname, and without knowing exactly which Chinese character it is talking about, I can't be 100% which surname it is really referring to.  Having said that though, I think it is most likely talking about the surname 潘.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:41, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I got no other responses here, I created a redirect at Pan (surname).  Please make any changes as needed; I have zero expertise and was simply dealing with a problem at the utterly unrelated article pun.  Wareh 21:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pan (surname)]], [[Pun (surname)]] 

message: Can we create a new section on rare surnames like "ning" (that's mine!).宁雨翔 (talk) 21:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No? There's >4000 "rare" surnames and another 6000 or so "historic" ones. Although you're welcome to work on expanding Wiktionary's Chinese surname lists. =) — LlywelynII 12:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Rare surnames

message: These rankings are based on a very, very, very large survey, but they're still wrong. The NCIICthe people who bring you China's national ID cardhave the actual numbers for the whole country and Wang barely edges out the other two of the top three.
The top three are cited all over the Chinese net and Baidu Questions has some of the numbers for the less common names, but my Chinese is too poor to find where on the NCIIC page the list is that Baidu Questions is using. If we could find it, it'd be good to give the actual numbers or rough percentage (7, 7, 7, 5, 3...). — LlywelynII 13:13, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's nothing posted at the MPS site per se but the Xinhua article is still up. I was hoping for specific numbers for all hundred surnames and not just the top three, but guess they keep that under wraps for some reason. On bright side, found data allowing multi-decade comparison to another authoritative study rather than the awful 1990 sample. — LlywelynII 13:01, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Time for an update

message: One thing that would be useful would be addition of Middle and Old Chinese pronunciations of these names usingBaxter, Wm. H. & Sagart, Laurent.  . 2011.
One thing I'm not really seeing the value of is the transliterations into Vietnamese, Korean, and Japanese. The common names have their own pages; the uncommon ones fail notability. Isn't the proper place for that information on the surname pages themselves? 
I mean, on the one hand, we can expand infinity to the right here on the internet; on the other, it does make it a bit of a pain to print or move the page. And what's the source for any of them anyway? — LlywelynII 13:07, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources &/or removal of Non-Chinese names

message: Over at "Chinese surname", they have a section on most common surnames that's badly out of date (not to mention wrong) and thus needs to be removed. On the other hand, I feel bad blanking encyclopedic content without putting it somewhere interested people can still access it. In case anyone can find sources for thisparticularly its methodologyor put up a stub on the historian or his findings, here are the "most common Chinese surnames"
::"Most Common": 李王张赵陈杨吴刘黄周
::"11-20, accounting for >30% of the world's Chinese": 徐朱林孙马高胡郑郭 and 萧/肖
::"21-30, accounting for ~20% of the world's Chinese": 謝何许宋沈罗韩邓梁叶
::"Next 15, accounting for ~10% of the world's Chinese": 方崔程潘曹冯汪蔡袁卢唐钱杜彭陆
according to Li Dongming ()'s 1977 article "Surnames" (《姓》) from Dongfang Magazine (《东方杂志》). — LlywelynII 03:03, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Li Dongming's "Surnames"

message: A. Right now, there's just sources citing the Ministry reports. It would obviously be better if the initial press releases could be found at Xinhua or the ministry websites.
B. Right now, the US data is from the 2000 census and only refers to total API rather than self-identified Chinese; that could be improved. There should be a database somewhere (they've got the census collated and they've got numbers for Chinese), but damned if I can find itand as near as I can tell, the Census didn't bother to do any work on this in 2000 either. They let RAND fund a study that analyzed their database, sth that might require a DC wikipedian to duplicate if it's even possible.
C. Removing a New York Times cite. Granted, partisan bickering aside, it seems bizarre to remove that and leave Xinhua, but at least Xinhua referred to a summary of a study by a gov't ministry. The cited NY Times article pulls its number seemingly from nowhere, while contradicting the far more thorough work (albeit on the 2000 census) found in the Census's RAND-funded study. The RAND study found all 151,000-odd surnames with 100+ bearers made up under 90% (spec. 89.8%) of the population; it seems highly dubious that the top 70,000 ate up the extra 15% within 10 years, even with influx from common Hispanic and Vietnamese surnames. — LlywelynII 05:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: In the Cantonese section under "Other", the superscript numbers are footnote references, not accents. Edits made on March 23, 2012 turned all numbers to superscript, breaking distinction between accents and footnotes. From what I see, everything in the Cantonese Other are footnotes; all other columns are accents.
*"4" means spelling used in Macau
*"5" means Americanized spelling
How do we resolve this? Remove the footnote numbers in said column? Jigen III (talk) 05:07, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cantonese "Other" 

message: I propose that User:Felix Wan/Draft/List of common Chinese surnames be merged into List of common Chinese surnames. I found this article while working on some of the articles that redirect to articles referenced in this article. The article on the "user space" was created back in 2006, and hasn't been edited since 2006 (until I posted the merger request on User:Felix Wan/Draft/List of common Chinese surnames). I believe the information found in User:Felix Wan/Draft/List of common Chinese surnames (even though a lot of the text in User:Felix Wan/Draft/List of common Chinese surnames can already be found in List of common Chinese surnames) could be added into the primary article to make this article even better.
P.S. I looked through all possible articles on Wikipedia regarding merging, and I could not find anything about a request like this (merging a user page into an article) not being allowed. If I am wrong, please let me know; I am open to discussion about this. Steel1943 (talk) 16:08, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for getting my attention on my draft. That page was created in 2006 in order to improve this article. This article was later updated by me with that page and then improved by other editors. So I believe the current article has already incorporated information in my article. Editors usually create draft pages in user space before updating the article when the edit is too huge, especially when it involves complicated table formats, in order not to disturb the article. So it is usually safe to assume that information in the user space does not need to be merged in the main space, as it should have already been taken care of by the user. However, If you have found information in my article that is missing from this article, feel free to edit. -- Felix Wan (talk) 06:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Japanese people do not usually use surnames of Chinese origin. Should the Japanese romanizations of the last name be included on the list, as most Japanese people do not use any of the last names on the list?
Justinrleung (talk) 02:08, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese 

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message: This list includes many intentional links to disambiguation pages.  Disambiguation pages are not article pages about  names.  Almost all of these links should point to an article  page such as those with a qualifier (Chinese surname), e.g., Song instead of the dab page.  If there is no article page about the name, then these should either be unlinked or redlinked. If the intention is to show a redlink to a potential article page, then the qualifer (Chinese surname) should be added to the linik to avoid linking to the dab page.  A pipe can of course hide the qualifier in the list. Coastside (talk) 21:05, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Many links to disambiguation pages 

message: According to 2018 data. I will be going through and creating entires for 101-200 and many of 201-300 as well, as well as filling in more information about origins, statistics and more for 1-100. As seen here:  —Prisencolin (talk) 08:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  All top 100 surnames now have an individual page  

message: The Japanese variations of the Chinese surnames are listed in the cells as "Jap." which happens to be a slur. The currently accepted abbrevation for Japan would be Jpn. 96.255.20.196 (talk) 17:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and changed it to Jpn. Thanks for the tip. bibliomaniac15 20:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abbreviation of Japanese