Talk:Coleman Young

message: This is an amazing statement.  Is his sons PR firm editing this page?
  He kept well organized street gangs out of Detroit.
Long before the Bloods and the Crips detroit was riddled with major street gangs, gangs that other black gangs and crime fighting organizations nationwide today acknowlege were the prototypes for other black drug gangs.
Wikipedia itself has a great article on the Errol Flynn's located here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Flynns
It says, in part:
The Errol Flynns evolved, like other Detroit street gangs such as their Westside Detroit counterparts in the late 70's the Nasty Flynns (later the NF Bangers) and Black Killers" or drug consortiums of the 1980's such as Young Boys Inc., Pony Down, Best Friends, Black Mafia Family and the Chambers Brothers, out of the racial and economic unrest that transformed Detroit in the late 1960s and 1970s.
Anyone with even passing knowledge of Detroit crime, or who bothers to go read the half dozen articles linked from the one above will see that the claim made in this article is pathetic self-serving LIE.  I am therefore removing it, as well as related claims that he kept crack out of Detroit.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.32.253.72 (talk) 18:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coleman was a lousy crime-fighter, Detroit was crack & gang utopia in his day

message: Wouldn't it also be helpful to add the fact that Coleman Young was an open racist whose comments about whites may have contributed to the "White Flight" phenomenon?  Also, isn't it worth mentioning that his disbanding of the STRESS police and his advocacy for convicted felons in the police force (ostensibly to increase the number of blacks on the force) may also have contributed to the increases in crime rates and police corruption?
:Usually you get a better response to these sorts of questions if you are a registered user.  Discussing contraversial stuff with annon posters is rarely satisfying - anywhere. Carptrash 19:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still Struggling? You mean dead, don't you? Prior to his tenure as mayor, Detroit was a thriving beautiful city, now look at it. The results of his administration stand alone. Yes, he was an open rascist and his encouragement toward his own race led to the open crime and highest unemployment in the nation. Bugguyak (talk) 16:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civil Rights Activist? 

message: Would a mention of the "12th street riots" in Detroit of July 1967 be appropriate here? I believe they helped prepare the ground for his eventual election.
Here's the wiki link;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_Street_Riot
- Meltingpot
Meltingpot 20:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 12th street riots

message: "He implemented effective affirmative action programs that lead to successful integration."
He hired blacks directly out of prison to become police officers.  So, like many or most affirmative action programs, it was "effective" for the blacks involved and disastrous for everyone else.
The quoted statement is controversial at best.  HedgeFundBob (talk) 12:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Effective Affirmative Action" on the Police Force? 

message: The statement "Young has been widely credited with keeping well organized street gangs out of Detroit, thus postponing the introduction of crack cocaine into the city of Detroit for several years.  Crime rates in Detroit peaked under Mayor Young at more than 2,700 violent crimes per 100,000 people in 1994" is hopelessly muddled.
He kept "well organized" street gangs out of Detroit?  Does that mean poorly-organized gangs were allowed inside the city.  If "[c]rime rates in Detroit peaked under [Coleman] Young" then he had no beneficial effect on the crime rate, and the article needs to be rewritten to eliminate the pro-Young POV.
Coleman Young, racist, is widely perceived as the beginning of the end of a once-great city.  A city that gave the nation the mass-produced automobile, the paved highway, and a standard of living second to none, and which also served as the "arsenal of democracy" during the Second World War.  Today, except for the area on Jefferson near the river, Detroit is a wall-to-wall slum.   John Paul Parks (talk) 06:03, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Muddled POV on Crime Fighting Ability

message: Wouldn't it also be helpful to add the fact that Coleman Young was an open racist whose comments about whites may have contributed to the "White Flight" phenomenon?  Also, isn't it worth mentioning that his disbanding of the STRESS police and his advocacy for convicted felons in the police force (ostensibly to increase the number of blacks on the force) may also have contributed to the increases in crime rates and police corruption?
:Usually you get a better response to these sorts of questions if you are a registered user.  Discussing contraversial stuff with annon posters is rarely satisfying - anywhere. Carptrash 19:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still Struggling? You mean dead, don't you? Prior to his tenure as mayor, Detroit was a thriving beautiful city, now look at it. The results of his administration stand alone. Yes, he was an open rascist and his encouragement toward his own race led to the open crime and highest unemployment in the nation. Bugguyak (talk) 16:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civil Rights Activist? 

message: Would a mention of the "12th street riots" in Detroit of July 1967 be appropriate here? I believe they helped prepare the ground for his eventual election.
Here's the wiki link;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_Street_Riot
- Meltingpot
Meltingpot 20:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 12th street riots

message: Somebody really needs to clean this thing up.  This thing is unsourced, wildly biased and worst of all, wildly racist.  This is absolutely the worst article I have ever seen in wikipedia.  Just to give one example of a paragraph that should be completely deleted is this:
"
Young's administration was historic in terms of Black power, and therefore controversial with the white power structure. He found himself the subject of continued FBI harassment , really stemming from his being Black and his earlier days as a radical activist. This included all kinds of allegations, but charges were never brought against him. It is generally agreed that since the government had closely scrutinized him throughout, that if he had actually broken the law, charges would have been brought, and that therefore Young was clean. He was criticized by the coroporate news media excessively, but always very popular with the People of Detroit. His "Black Bottom Detroit" style (see quotations of Young, below) endeared him to his People profoundly. His autobiography ,_Hardstuff_, is a record of the history of Black Detroit in his lifetime. The suburbs of Detroit made him the target of their alienation from a Detroit that had become overwhelmingly Black majority due to "white flight".
"
"White power structure"?  The FBI only investigated him because he was black?  That whole "Young was clean" sentence?  White people all left the city because they couldn't deal with a black mayor??  If somebody can find me a more racist paragraph (or at least one with worse grammar) on wiki I'll buy them lunch.
After looking at the editing history, it appears that the article was basically rewritten by somebody with the IP address 69.215.26.194 (a Detroit IP address), who added his/her opinion into every paragraph.  If I had to guess, it was done by a racist with connections to Young, because the opinions put into every paragraph basically boil down to "All criticism of Young was invalid because it came from white people and all white people are racists."  I deleted that one truly atrocious paragraph, but this whole article needs to be cleaned up.  All of the edits by 69.215.26.194 should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.104.165.109 (talk) 15:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worst article on wiki 

message: I've reverted this article back to the August 11th 2009 version. The date sets back to a time before an IP editor came on here and made massive POV changes to the article which made it completely unworkable. The assessment section is also filled with POV and I may remove large segments of it.--Jersey Devil (talk) 05:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like the IP is back. Discuss here please.--Jersey Devil (talk) 14:01, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Thanks for responding. I think you might just not understand what the purpose of Wikipedia is. This is suppose to be an online encyclopedia and articles are suppose to be written from a neutral perspective (see WP:Neutrality). Your edits were largely uncited and written with a clear point-of-view (see WP:POV). When your edits were removed for these reasons you continued to edit war despite being asked to discuss the reversions. When this happened it crossed the lines from a content dispute to an issue of disruption and I had no other option but to temporarily block you (the only way to get you to stop and talk about the edits). I also want to tell you that while your personal experience with Mayor Young might be valuable you still must cite sources if you are going to make assertions in the article (see our policy on original research). I have no personal opinion about the subject of the article the only issue I have is that (1) the article must be written in an objective and factual manner (rather than the POV manner it was written in before) and (2) edit warring must stop.--Jersey Devil (talk) 00:06, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverted to August 11th version

message: this article has had NPOV tag for 2 years.  I saw it on the backlog list and edited it some today to try to weed out any obvious NPOV questions.  Maybe with some continuing attention and careful edits we can clear up the NPOV to an acceptable degree.  --Mdukas (talk) 16:54, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Tag is still right, tho. There's a lot of spin in the article still.  It's entirely written from a pro-Young point of view, and some of it reads a bit like apologia: ("yes, the city went down the shithole while he was in power, but it was someone else's fault").  It needs stuff adding from the other side, for balance, I suggest.  95.147.142.206 (talk) 17:28, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV tag

message: Could someone please confirm whether Coleman Young was ever in combat or flew any combat missions with the Tuskegee Airmen?  Or, did he just stay stateside?  What exactly did he do with the Tuskegee Airmen?
216.151.31.18 (talk) 12:11, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Tuskegee Airmen

message: The pre-mayoral section contains a prolific amount of red baiting. Instead of several paragraphs of "COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE COMMIE" could we have some information with a bit more substance?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4:4180:EB:9574:2217:7:DD24 (talk) 21:29, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: nonsense. all the biographers emphasize his close working with the far Left at that early stage.  That's what originally built his career. Once in office he changed & worked with the business community.  Rjensen (talk) 21:37, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

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message: He's not listed as a Tuskegee Airman pilot:  so was he an airman? Mztourist (talk) 09:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Provided his noted aircrew training can be verified he would qualify as a Tuskegee Airman under the NPS/AFHRA definition of the term since he was trained under the Tuskegee program and assigned to a segregated unit. But he would not be one of the "Red Tail" members as he wasn't a fighter pilot (or indeed a pilot at all). Intothatdarkness 20:08, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tuskegee Airman? 

message: Nothing about him having the South African currency? 174.247.209.167 (talk) 20:06, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurregrats?