Talk:Battle of Apple River Fort

message: Shouldn't the name be changed to Siege of Apple River Fort? --Thus Spake Anittas 12:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is a 45 minute gun battle a siege? IvoShandor 10:21, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it matter what the duration of the conflict was? The fact is that one faction defended itself in a defensive structure and the other faction tried to besiege it. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck... --Thus Spake Anittas 11:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that's the commonly used definition of seige, either way, source terminology is pretty much interchangeable. Many call it a battle, I have seen siege, usually in sources that also use battle. I don't think the name matters much, but I also don't think the use of Siege brings any special illumination to the topic, I really don't think many people would use the term siege to describe this event, maybe I am wrong. IvoShandor 21:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interestingly, the most commonly used term in older histories seems to be "Attack," (just perusing Google Books), I see "Siege" used in Thomas Ford's 1854 History of Illinois, and I see a smattering of "battle" uses and other "siege" uses. Not sure how to approach this, but it seems none of the sources really have any big differences through terminology. It seems all three are used interchangeably. Illinois' own Historic Preservation Agency () uses battle, many others do, I say we stick with battle to avoid introducing any confusion. I really think a common reader would see "siege" read the article, and say "siege my ass". But I am open to discussion on the matter. IvoShandor 21:51, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it should be "Battle", but have an alternate link of "Siege" or an also known as. Also going by the definition of Siege, I am not convinced that it was a "duck" as was previously stated. Going by the definition (which in latin means sitting), this battle only lasted 45 mins, so it really wasn't a siege at all the more I look at it. Since some texts refer to it as a siege though, I again say we should use it as an alternate name, just not the main name.--Kranar drogin 22:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will add the redirect and alternate title in the lead. Is this sufficient? Thoughts? IvoShandor 22:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name of the article 

message: *Where were the messengers heading to? (Probably Dixon, will confirm)
*Treaties: Reworded, don't want too much detail in the battle article, brief synopsis of the war to that point in the background section.
**It's fine now.
*Ensuing events: the ensuing events were the prelude to the Stillman's Run battle. Reworded.
**Better now.
*Completed by May 22: this is from the source. The exact date of completion is unknown.
**Just checking.
*Date ambiguity: Reworded, the distinction that it occurred immediately preceding the Battle of Waddams Grove is important, I have tried to clarify this.
**Better now.
*This incident was one of several during the time period that led James W. Stephenson to clash with British Band warriors at Waddams Grove on June 18.Trask, Black Hawk: The Battle for the Heart of America], pp. 220-221.: I am not sure what you are asking here. Clack Stone was in charge of the militia at Apple River Fort. Stephenson wasn't stationed there. He was another militia member, known for his exploits at Waddams Grove, a battle that was directly preceded by the theft of horses from the stable at Apple River Fort. Please let me know how this can be clarfied.
**For some reason I got it in my head that Stephenson had been in charge at Apple River Fort, then Stone took over. Me being stupid I'm afraid :(
*Dixon's ride: Tried to clarify this. They were 900 feet away, he rode back, warned the settlers, and then rode on to Galena to report the attack. Or so the story goes. I am not sure how far the fort is from Galena, not too horribly far, either way, none of the sources mention this matter.
**Fixing the distance makes this all make more sense now. I've also reworded it a bit. He was busy that day!
*Interpretive center: an interpretive center is a term used by many museums in the United States to describe an area where artifacts, and other historical items are displayed and "interpreted" for the public. I agree that it is funny, but probably the best thing to use here, that is what they call it.
**Fair enough, I was unfamiliar with the terminology.
I have addressed most of your comments to the best of my ability. If you can, please further clarify. I think there may be some outstanding issues here. Please do look it over again. IvoShandor 10:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
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message: Thank you for the clarifiactions; I agree that this article now meets the GA criteria, and have listed it as such on the Good articles page. Congratulations, and thanks again for the work you've put in. EyeSereneTALK 09:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
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