Talk:Strait of Magellan

message: It think that the article is incorrect in claiming that the straits provide a safer passage than the Drake Passage. For sailing vessels, this is not true because of a) the very limited searoom in the Straits and b) the very unpredictable and rapidly changing winds in the Straits. I am told that highly destructive squalls can drop off the mountains with very little warning. Although the Drake Passage has very high winds and seas, there is plenty of sea-room and the winds tend to be relatively steady. Given a well-found ship, the preference would clearly be for the Drake Passage, and most of the clipper ships followd this route.--APRCooper 12:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Logic would appear to be on your side: if it were safer, it would have been the preferred route, since it is also shorter than Drake's Passage. But it was less often used than Drake's. --mglg(talk) 23:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Katabatic winds might be an appropriate description.  The geography would seem to lend itself to those conditions. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:42, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relative merits of Straits of Magellan and Drake Passage 

message: Text and references copied from Spray to Strait of Magellan,  See former article's history for a list of contributors.   7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:16, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Text and references copied from Strait of Magellan to Sailing Around the World,  See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:48, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Text and references copied from County of Peebles (ship) to Strait of Magellan,  See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:09, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Text and references copied from Strait of Magellan to Skipjack (boat),  See former article's history for a list of contributors.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:30, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Text and references copied from Richard Charles Mayne to Strait of Magellan,  See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:57, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Text and references copied from Strait of Magellan to Richard Mayne (explorer),  See former article's history for a list of contributors.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:04, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Text and references copied from Dragon's Tail (peninsula) to  Strait of Magellan   See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:21, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Attribution

message: I requested their assistance.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:32, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Working through now. There are quite a few  tags throughout the article, which I likely won't be addressing in my copy edit. Bobbychan193 (talk) 05:44, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:GOCE]]

message: I've added Argentina to the basin_countries parameter of the infobox. It clearly belongs there, as Lago Fagnano, which lies mostly in Argentina, drains into the strait.  According to the definition of the parameter in template:Infobox body of water:
* "which countries have drainage to/from or border the body of water. To conform a standard, this should include all countries that are directly involved with the body of water's ecology; this would include inflows, outflows, or physically contact the body of water."
-- Elphion (talk) 14:00, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, I agree.  Thank you.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:26, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried adding location= to the infobox, but that doesn't appear to work.  (I have submitted a pending help request for that.) -- Elphion (talk) 19:57, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This is now fixed. 78.28.45.145 (talk) 23:54, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: And the duplicate parameter removed. -- Elphion (talk) 02:01, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This strange edit didn't remove anything, contrary to what its edit summary states; you just randomly changed the position of the parameter on the list. Just thought I'd let you know. 78.28.45.145 (talk) 09:14, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I was working from an earlier version of the article and did not realize there had been an intervening edit until after I saved mine. -- Elphion (talk) 21:25, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

text: That is nonsense. Have you never heard of, say, the Pacific Basin?  "Basin countries" makes no claim whatsoever that Argentina claims dominion over the straits. And if by "Argentine wikipedista" you mean me, you are quite mistaken. -- Elphion (talk) 21:05, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

text: As for the claim that the parameter was added in an attempt to assert Argentine dominion, the parameter was included when the infobox was first added in this edit by Austrian user RScheiber -- and it incorrectly included only Chile. It would help this discussion a lot if you would tone down the nationalistic claims. -- Elphion (talk) 21:35, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basin countries 

message: Nomadism is moving around among a set and limited number of places, usually with the beginning of transhumance (pastoralism). People take their flocks from place to place.
Hunter-gatherers are not nomads, they are seasonal migrants - or free-ranging (and sometime their ranges are indefinite, as we think was the case in Patagonia). 
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Nomads_in_Archaeology/TFnE3YQ6VjsC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Nomads&pg=PP11&printsec=frontcover
Recently, so that there's greater understanding, archaeologists and anthropologists are combining the word "nomad" with a descriptor to indicate its fuzzy nature (sea-nomads; desert-nomads, etc). It's possible that the Patagonians were sea-nomads (implying that they had a region of origin, expanded it by sea travel, then went back to origin spot and so on). However I just don't see the evidence for that in the archaeology. Nor is there a citation for it here. El Cubedo (talk) 17:42, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The word "nomadic" is misused in this article