Talk:The Hands Resist Him

message: This should have more references to some of the games that came out from it on the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.129.87.239 (talk) 18:55, July 9, 2006 (UTC)
:I tried to find out who put this in and this is the best I can do due to it's age LiPollis (talk) 06:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: game references

message: I have seen the painting, and:
1. Although it looks scary, it doesn't seem haunted to me, and
2. Someone must have invented the story.
RocketMaster 12:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seen 

message: But, why on earth would someone invent an elaborate fantasy like that? RocketMaster 11:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How much did they want to sell it for.  If it was a high price, it might well be a gimmick; if for dirt cheap or only moderate amount (especially in the world of art), it's much more likely that something did indeed unsettle the owners...whether from something psychosomatic, or truly anomalous, one can only guess without directly interviewing them or putting the painting under a prolonged study. --Chr.K. 23:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Hope Diamond is said to be haunted, but Smithsonian hasn't suffered from its curse.  Perhaps Wikipedia is likewise free. --Chr.K. 19:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invent 

message: "EBay Haunted Painting" and "Haunted eBay Painting" should redirect to Hands Resist Him, the work's actual name. --Chr.K. 23:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. --InShaneee 22:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Me three.  Unfortunately, I don't know how to do that.  Can you do it for us InShaneee? Lisapollison 05:14, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page name

message: Was it okay for me to put this image here, because of it's, um, legal status? RocketMaster 14:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say it qualifies for fair use, as an encyclopedic entry. --Chr.K. 19:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  OK 

message: members of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Paranormal have suggested expanding this article.  I did some work on it this morning and invite others to help me out by fleshing out the details of the internet legend that built up around this and any news articles about it. If you don't know how to list sources, feel free to list them here or on my talk page and I can help you.Lisapollison 16:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd take another look at those sources, a few of them seem kind of redundant. --InShaneee 15:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Would you consider correspondence with the artist of interest in this article? He has received emails regarding how the painting has disturbed people; accusing him of being possessed; offering to 'save' him, etc.  He was also asked to judge an radio-sponsored essay contest around the painting, which produced some very disturbing stories. ---- Pattistoneham (talk) 18:26, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume by your username that you are related to the artist.  In order for Wikipedia to use comments from him about the painting and any difficulties he has encountered as a result of the original eBay sale, they would need to apppear in print or on a source we could cite such as his own studio webpage.  We cannot include personal communications since that is Original Research, something wikipedia does not allow because it is unencyclopedic.  I see you have taken an interest in this article and that's good.  however, if you are a relative of the artist, you should disclose that and bone up on wikipedia policy with regard to editing articles.  This article is NOT a biography of the artist mind you, it is about the internet meme the sale of the painting caused. Articles that are Biographies of living people are governed by stricter editing rules. This article is only concerned with reporting the flap over the sale of the painting on eBay and the internet meme it spawned. I would be happy to include details of the downside of this notoriety but I need to be able to cite a source.LiPollis (talk) 03:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am the artist's wife and I review and occasionally edit with his assistance. I have looked over the editing policy and if I understand it, I should not add anything to this article myself but should point to additional content on our website and then note it here. Is that right?  The eBay sale of this painting has had a profound effect on his and my life as it is what brought us together. It also affected the lives of others, in admittedly less permanent ways but the various correspondence we've received - and still receive on occasion - add richness to the overall story. If I understand your statement though, these sorts of side effect stories can only be mentioned by us in this discussion area. It's up to others to edit the article based on our discussion, if appropriate. Correct?--67.170.194.148 (talk) 00:32, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: expanding the article

message: Are there any references, apart from the seller's say-so, to say it's cursed or haunted? Are there any witnesses to say they saw the figures moving? If not, something should be said to this effect - otherwise it could be just a clever way to advertise an ebay item. Totnesmartin 21:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the same with any urban myth. You hear about the 1 weird thing happening the 1 person but not the that nothing happened to 10 people immediately before that. It doesn't really matter as no serious or meaningful claims are being made, and we can't draw any conclusions ourselves because WP:OR prevents us from speculating or extrapolating to any real level.
perfectblue 20:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I would suggest going to the articles and sources referecned which show the original eBay listing as well as the photos the sellers offered up as proof of the haunting.  We can only reference those articles since cannot include copyrighted photos.  The article as it stands now is a good overview of the event. To get 1st person accounts of what people had happen to them when they viewed the painting online all you need do is google the title or the words eBay haunted painting.  Tons of forum and MB postings will pop up.  I'd like to personally thank perfectblue for fixing the references for me.  I owe ya one!LiPollis 10:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I think the current wording in the starting summary, marking the paranormal claims as an urban legend, gives quite a POV implication that the painting is not haunted. EDIT: And on that vein, what defines "serious or meaningful claims"?  Claiming something to be haunted is serious and meaningful to some minds. --Chr.K. 19:30, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Witnesses?