Talk:Ninoy Aquino

message: I moved the page back from Benigno Aquino Jr. because he is more widely known under this name.  As far as I know his father was not famous (or if he was, it's not in the article). - Hephaestos 08:03 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:Actually, he's more widely known as Ninoy Aquino. If you're going to use Benigno Aquino, then it should properly have the Jr. in it. It makes no harm in having Benigno Aquino redirect to Benigno Aquino Jr. It actually adds info for the casual researcher. I know Benigno Aquino Sr. is not known, but his son, Benigno Aquino III is a congress representative from Tarlac (and might possibly have his own article in the future). —seav 08:09 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)
::That's a hard one (I'm beginning to think there are a lot of hard ones *grin*).  I didn't know about his son either, but that sounds like a mitigating circumstance.  If someone wants to move the article back to Jr., I won't object. - Hephaestos 08:24 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:Actually, Benigno Aquino Sr. was a Filipino senator, if I recall correctly. TheCoffee 15:11, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: In the following snippet from the article:On May 8, 1980, Imelda Marcos came to Ninoy's hospital room. She asked him if he would like to leave that evening for the U.S., but not before agreeing on two covenants: 1.) That if he leaves, he will return; is 1.) correct?--Jondel 04:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Imelda asked Ninoy to return if he leaves for a heart surgery?!

message: Is it appropriate to use his nickname so frequently instead of his family name?  Seems to diminish the authority of the article, which already has a bit of a hagiographic tone.
Also:  this article needs a lot more citations.  One example is the end of the "I will go back" section.
A few too many weasel words (critics say, etc.).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Terrasirradient (talk • contribs) 21:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some problems 

message: To quote, "Although Ninoy Aquino was recognized as the most prominent and most outspoken critic of the Marcos dictatorship, he was regarded by many, in the years prior to martial law, as representative of the entrenched familial bureaucracy which, to this day, still predominates Philippine politics." This part of the article is biased and needs to be suppressed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Unitvm (talk • contribs) 04:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that's one of the more balanced parts.  It mentions both good and bad about him.  Mdotley 17:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegation of bias 

message: Aquino was convicted by then president Marcos of Murder.  Pls note that this not a category for murderers nor or does it imply that Ninoy was a murderer.--Jondel 08:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The case is the same for Lorenzo Ruiz (Spanish controlled tribunal), Flor Contemplacion(biased Singaporean tribunal)and others. Since it is controversial and may be misleading , I will be removing this category .--Jondel 03:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Disagree. It should be reinstated. It doesn't matter who tried the person. --Howard the Duck 13:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Murder conviction

message: The article has too much .  Most of it has to be rewritten or rephrased--not worthy of an encyclopedia article.KaElin 03:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The article's information is good, but the writing style should be revised to be more neutral. The statement "In myriad ways Aquino bedeviled the Marcos regime, chipping away at its monolithic facade" is diatribe and does not really impart any information. Gryphon Hall (talk) 23:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: I seriously think we should rename the article to Ninoy Aquino per the WP:MOS on article naming. Same reason why Bill Clinton is the article while William Jefferson Clinton is a redirect. Shrumster 17:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. -- • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ Talk 04:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

text: True. There are technically three Benigno Aquino articles in wikipedia: ne about Senator Igno Aquino, One for Senator Ninoy himself, and another for his son Senator Noynoy. Whereas the name "Ninoy Aquino" is exclusive to him alone. -- User:Nejibana17  —Preceding undated comment added 14:14, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename article 

message: ...since he's dead already. The marriage lasts until death, not until the widow/er remarries when his/her spouse died. --Howard the Duck 08:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, unless someone objects I'll be removing all instances of being "first gentleman". --Howard the Duck 11:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree --Carsjme (talk) 11:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  HE IS NOT First Gentleman Benigno "Ninoy" Aquino, Jr. 

message: It seems to me that Judge Regino C. Hermosisima, Jr. is not as important to the "timeline of Ninoy murder case" as references to him seem to indicate. I'm bringing it up here first, but I intend to remove some of the mentions of him, particularly his subsequent promotions, unless there are reasonable objections. maxsch (talk) 16:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Php bill 500 front.jpg

message: May i ask, who deleted the iconic picture of Ninoy Aquino?? --CommanderPhoenix (talk) 07:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iconic Image 

message: can't we get a better pic than the one we have right now? like, for starters, an actual picture of him or something?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.95.187.138 (talk) 07:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Depicting the Ninoy Aquino in currency is not only unethical in the academic sense, but is also disrespectful to Senator Aquino Himself. A real picture must be shown, not the 500 peso bill. It is just the same as saying thet Ninoy is only a peso bill and not an actual person himself. User: Nejibana17  —Preceding undated comment added 14:27, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  PictureC 

message: Servillano (like his grandfather) or Simeon (like his son)? The references currently used in the article point out that it is "Servillano", but one of the entries also contain an incorrect birth date (1965) for his son Noynoy (born 1960). Noynoy's "S" definitely stands for "Simeon." The maiden name of Ninoy's mother was "Aquino" also, but he did not use "A" as an initial. The second "Servillano" reference does not directly support the argument for it. I used Google Books to search for possible references. I also temporarily shortened the name to Benigno S. Aquino, Jr. in the article until this is resolved.
** Mk32 (talk) 23:25, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "S" for Servillano or Simeon

message: **Family and relatives of Benigno Servillano Aquino Jr.
***Sen. Benigno Servillano Jr AQUINO "Ninoy" was born 27 Nov 1932 in Concepcion Tarlac.
***Rep. Benigno Simeon Cojuangco III AQUINO "Noynoy" was born 1965 - The Wikipedia article for Noynoy says he was born February 8, 1960.
**"Error in 'At Last, A Movie on Ninoy'", October 12, 2006
***His mother’s maiden name is Aurora Aquino, not Aurora Servillano as we reported. We’re sorry. 
**The good die young : Sen. Benigno Servillano Aquino, Jr. (1932-1983) (published 2000)
Sen. Ninoy Aquino was initiated to Upsilon Sigma Phi in my father's room at the YMCA. My father knew his name as "Benigno Servillano". My father was Alpha Phi Beta, but had Upsilon rommates. Fast-forward to when Mrs. Aquino was president, and she addressed a gathering of Fulbright Alumni (yours truly included); again,  the mistaken name "Benigno Simeon" was announced, which Mrs. Aquino corrected to "Benigno Servillano". I dont know how Britannica can get it wrong.Vp bongolan (talk) 06:01, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: References for "Servillano" (citations currently in article)

message: Documents published in 1938 and 1939 shows that Ninoy's father Benigno Sr also used the middle initial "S". 
**Masterpieces in Philippine oratory, and lessons in public speaking (1938) - Honorable BENIGNO S. AQUINO - Secretary of Agriculture and Commerce
**The Philippine Journal of Agriculture (1939) - Hon. BENIGNO S. AQUINO - Secretary of Agriculture and Commerce
It does not say what the "S" stands for either.
Mk32 (talk) 01:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: On a slightly related note

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message: The section entitled "1978 elections, bypass surgery, exile" is woefully incomplete. There is no mention at all of the 1978 elections or even how his death sentence was commuted. Even the part where he goes the U.S. doesn't sound like an exile. It reads as if he was only leaving the country for the medical procedure. —howcheng  {chat} 05:17, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  1978 elections, bypass surgery, exile 

message: I was STIKIing and I noticed this bold edit by User:Ellivro99. I'm not an expert on the subject, so I thought I'd just bring this up and if there are no objections the new version sticks. Cheers. --L235 (talk) Ping when replying 07:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  death_cause in infobox "Gunshot" or "Assassination"? 

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 07:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Benigno Aquino Jr. →  – After 13 years of no consensus, it is to request again that this page be moved to Ninoy Aquino, as per WP:COMMONNAME. Details and/or arguments are as follows:
# Ninoy Aquino remains to be the more recognizable name of the subject than Benigno Aquino Jr., used as the namesake of Ninoy Aquino International Airport, government-mandated Ninoy Aquino Day, Ninoy Aquino Parks and Wildlife Center, Ninoy Aquino Stadium, Ninoy Aquino Library and Learning Resources Center, and Ninoy Aquino Avenue.
# To support Favonian's "oppose" comment of September 13, 2009 that the general naming conventions recommend "Name articles in accordance with what the greatest number of English speakers would most easily recognize", this nominator states that as of this writing, a Google search indicated that Ninoy Aquino (about 6,420,000) is more common than Benigno Aquino Jr (about 2,370,000), Benigno Aquino (about 4,560,000), and Benigno Ninoy Aquino Jr (about 163,000 results).
# For the sake of future arguments, the same request move cannot be applicable to Benigno Aquino III, nicknamed Noynoy, as he was more popular internationally as Benigno Aquino III and locally as PNoy (a wordplay of President Noy and Pinoy); and Corazon Aquino, where the popularity of Corazon Aquino and Cory Aquino has almost the same magnitude.
# For the sake of future arguments: While local politician Jamby Madrigal used her initials MA (Senator MA Madrigal) as nickname, instead of Jamby, she is still referred commonly to as Jamby, thus used as Wikipedia title. None being his birth name, Joseph Estrada is used as title of the subject as he is more internationally and formally known as Joseph Estrada, than Erap. This is, although, he is undoubtedly more locally known as Erap.
# Definitely, Ninoy Aquino is the same case of Bill Gates and Bill Clinton, where the nicknames are more common names than their real first names. ~PogingJuan 06:25, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Notified: Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines. Chlod (say hi!) 06:32, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

text: I agree with the arguments, especially that which point out that his common name is much more recognizable. Ganmatthew (talk) 11:33, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 5 July 2022