Talk:Sesame

message: I know that at least in Japanese cuisine, black sesame is commonly used, but there was no mention of this in the article, which even stated that the seeds are 'cream white'. I have even had black tahini in Japan. I could supply a photo of some black sesame if it might be useful (have a jar of it in front of me!)
: Some text has been added to reflect this, please feel free expand upon this. Zzorse 02:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the difference between black sesame and regular sesame?  Are they from different plant varieties?  Do the flavors differ, or is the difference primarily in the color of the seeds?  Reify-tech (talk) 13:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Sesame? 

message: There is something called "ra-yu" which, I think, is made from sesame seeds. It is very spicy, and you should know this before putting it in your soup.
* "ra yu" or "raa oil"(?) appears to be a seasoning made from sesame oil and red pepper
:: I think you're talking about là yóu (辣油; see pinyin), or chili pepper oil in Mandarin Chinese.
::* 辣 (là): the spicy falvor of chili peppers. e.h 辣椒 (là jīao; chili pepper).
::* 油 (yóu): oil; e.g. 豬油(zhū yóu; pig-oil; lard).
:: You can made là yóu from mixing crushed chili pepper with white sesame oil or any other cheaper plant-based light-colored and non-fragrant oil, such as soybean oil. -- Toytoy 02:32, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ra-yu 

message: Should taxonomy information go on a separate "sesame as plant" page apart from "sesame as foodstuff"? 21:21, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate? 

message: In Korean cuisine the leaves of the sesame plant is commonly eaten both raw and pickled. Should I create a sesame leaf article for Korean cuisine, as it's strange talking about the leaves in an article about the seeds of the plant only..? -Himasaram 17:59, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I had been meaning to move this article for some time.  I think a combined plant/seed/leaf article is fine until there is much more material.  — Pekinensis 18:52, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's quite all right now, thank you! -Himasaram 19:20, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korean cuisine 

message: In the fight about the origins, the main point seems to have been missed. Which is that sesame has been in use from ancient times, that is why it is so difficult to pin down the origin. Not only was it used in ancient times, but also considered very beneficial in ancient times. I have added Mythological Background section to reflect this fact. Also added a few comments under uses regarding the use of sesame in roman times
The Assyrian legend regarding Gods drinking Sesame wine seems to be true. These Gods were none other than the early Indo-Aryans who entered India from that direction, about three to four thousand years ago.  According to Hindu mythology they used to drink a wine called ‘Soma Rasa’ ,perhaps a fermented juice of Sesame seeds mixed with honey. It was also called ‘Amrit ‘the liquid of immortality. Indra the chief of the Aryans was a great lover of this drink. Even Lord Shiva, the Asura God seems to be fond of this drink. According to one article of Wikipedia Lord Shiva sometimes used to visit the magnificent palace of Amarendra on Mount Sumer to discuss political matters with him, over a jar or two of the divine liquid. The statement that Sesame oil is considered to be auspicious by the Hindus does not seem to be correct, because it is associated with, Lord Shiva the God of Asuras, the unholy planet ‘SHANI’( the Saturn) and the PitRs/Pitrus ( the spirits of the dead ancestors). The black sesame seeds are used for ‘ TARPANA’ on the new moon day.( offering of Sesame seeds drenched in water to the Sun God or to the dead ancestors). The sesame oil is poured over the heads of the Idols of Lord Shiva and Planet Saturn to appease them. Nobody brings back the left out oil from the temple back home. Sesame oil is not used to light the lamps before other Gods (Aryan), because they prefer lamps which burn by using Ghee (molten butter of cow’s milk.).The Hindi idiom- ‘lighting lamps of ghee' in the house ‘means a celebration in the house. Sesame seeds are liberally used during the annual death ceremony of the Parents (called ‘Sraaddha ‘ in Hindu families). The souls of the three generations of dead father or mother are invoked on the day of death (as per lunar calendar) by using Sesame seeds and’ Darbha’ grass (needle edged long dried blades of grass) and by inviting them to enter the bodies of three Brahmans. The Brahmans are worshiped and a variety of food items including an item specially made of Sesame seeds is served as lunch to them in the after-noon. It is ensured that they are fully satisfied with the food. Sesame is the only seed that can pacify the evil planet Saturn. Sesame oil is poured over the head of his idol and a few kilograms of sesame seeds are given freely to a Brahman, there by transferring the Saturn who is sitting on one’s head to the head of the Brahman, who is capable of warding off the evil effect on him. Other people will never accept the gift of Sesame seeds at least in the South-Indian Brahman families, because if the planet Saturn sits on one’s head or one's constellation of birth, he can cause a lot of misery for a period ranging from one month to seven years. Use of Sesame is forbidden on other days. ‘Open Sesame ‘in the mythological story also appears to be a ‘ mantra’ by which some Spirit or' Jin' is evoked to open the entrance to the cave. I am a devout South Indian Brahman and these statements are based on my personal experience  117.195.237.206 (talk) 06:40, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical Context 

message: Can the human body digest sesame seeds? Seems to have the same effect as corn.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.214.11.170 (talk) 19:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sesame Seeds Digestion 

message: I'm not a plant expert, I am a home chef reading up on sesame.  I've put a dispute in the "Origins" section for the following reasons:
# I find it unlikely that the sesame plants were developed in Leeds, England yet also have been found in Egyptian toombs
# The plant can either grow to 2-3 feet tall or 7 feet tall.  If there are several varieties, it should be specifically noted.
# I find it difficult to believe that a book written in 2000 contains results of a study commissioned in 2006.
I'd fix it, but I don't know right from wrong on this topic.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:37, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This was unreverted vandalism from late May, 2008. I removed it.--Curtis Clark (talk) 22:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed information

message: Requested move of Sesame to Sesame (plant) and Sesame (disambiguation) to Sesame.
*Among Americans under 50 years old, which category is more common??
#People who cannot mention the word Sesame without thinking of this plant
#People who cannot mention the word Sesame without thinking of Sesame Street
I'm sure the latter kind is more common, so I support this move. (Note: whether this move is performed or not, Sesame Street's article will remain at Sesame Street.) Georgia guy (talk) 20:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's so funny since for me the first thing I thought of was the seed which does not have an article!  Support.  Vegaswikian (talk) 20:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Um, why is your rationale restricted to Americans under 50 years old? Oppose. "Sesame Street" is only referred to with "Street" in the name. I would, however, consider supporting a move of this article to Sesamum indicum with a redirect from Sesame. (By the way, I'm an American under 50 and I think the primary topic is the plant). --Rkitko (talk) 00:24, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Americans under 50 years old?? Now, you know very well that most older Americans are "old dogs" as in the phrase "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". Are there plenty of Wikipedians over 50?? Georgia guy (talk) 21:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not targeted to "Americans under 50 years old."  Check out WP:BIAS when you get a chance. —  AjaxSmack  02:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Oppose per Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Apparently Georgia Guy is unfamiliar with the point of disambiguation, which is to distinguish between multiple uses of a single term that is "likely to be the natural title for more than one article". Sesame is not a natural title for the article Sesame Street. And with respect to the proposed disambiguation page: "Do not add links that merely contain part of the page title, or links that include the page title in a longer proper name, where there is no significant risk of confusion. Only add links to articles that could use essentially the same title as the disambiguated term. Disambiguation pages are not search indices." Hesperian 00:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: I feel this sentence from the article is misleading:
:About one-third of Mexico's sesame crop is exported to the United States and purchased by McDonald's for their sesame seed buns (The Nut Factory 1999).[40]
The cited article reads differently: "About one-third of the imported crop from Mexico is purchased by McDonalds for their sesame seed buns (The Nut Factory 1999)."
The wikipedia article restates this in a way that makes it sounds as if one-third of all of Mexico's sesame crop is exported and wholly purchased by McDonald's. In fact, only one-third of the sesame exported to the US is purchased by McDonald's.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BradChoate (talk • contribs) 03:27, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Your're right, the wording was misleading, plus times have changed. I've updated the article with a more recent statistic (75% of the Mexico crop is used by McD worldwide!) from more reliable sources. Dictioneer (talk) 22:14, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexico's exports for McDonald's 

message: I've removed from the article the following recent addition:
Unprocessed black colored sesame seeds are comparable to organophosphate crystals (Phorate) and have been accidentally ingested to result in fatal poisoning. Khatiwada, M, Tripathi, M, Pokharel, K, Acharya, R, Subedi A, (2012). Ambiguous prorate granules for sesame seeds linked to accidental organophosphate fatal poisoning. JNMA J Nepal Med Assoc. 2012 Jan-Mar;52(185):49-51. PubMed PMID: 23279775 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23279775
The citation appears legit, but the wording of the sentence is misleading (the article says the crystals can be confused with black sesame seeds, not the other way around), and while trying to reword it I came to question the utility of the sentence. I'm leaving it here in case the editor wishes to reword it and put it back.
Dictioneer (talk) 22:20, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organophosphate poisoning moved here 

message: Sesame snaps does not appear in the article. Imagine Reason (talk) 04:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sesame snaps]] redirects here 

message: phytic acid lists sesame seeds as a good source but it's not mentioned in this article. - Rod57 (talk) 23:28, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good source of phytic acid 

message: Cosmic Trading International is a renowned agricultural products exporter of Bangladesh. We export high quality agro products such as sesame seeds, yellow corn, fresh potatoes, peanuts, green mug bean from Bangladesh to any country at a reasonable price and through a quick shipping.
For more information please visit http://www.cosmictraders.com  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosmictraders (talk • contribs) 06:50, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  We export sesame seeds, green mug bean from Bangladesh. 

message: this table is no longer supported by the source provided.  each field needs to be reviewed per VERIFY before this can be restored
- Jytdog (talk) 19:46, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: What's wrong with it? HempFan (talk) 19:56, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Aside from the fact that Hydroxyproline isn't actually listed in the USDA entry I mean. HempFan (talk) 19:59, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This table is from the appropriate USDA source and the DVs calculated derive from the standard WP nutritional profile format. The source, contents and text were valid and should be restored. --Zefr (talk) 20:19, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a quick question: what exactly is "standard WP nutritional profile format"? And thanks for agreeing with me for a change :) HempFan (talk) 21:56, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

text: The template at the beginning of the nutrient content table (in edit mode, "nutritionalvalue ... ") creates the nutrition table used widely on WP (and by manufacturers of food products for their Nutrition Facts labels). It calculates kcal and % DVs, and should not be superseded by personal interpretations, in my opinion, as this is original research, WP:OR, correctly stated by Jytdog. --Zefr (talk) 22:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is just parked here until it can be reviewed and fixed; I don't intend it to be permanently removed.  There are three issues.  There are fields in this table that are not in the source provided at all. Changes were made here that reflect WP:OR. The percentage is based on a DV that is not sourced; there are different values for DVs from different authorities. If somebody wants to go through this table and validate that the value in each field is supported by a reliable source and cite that source or sources, of course it can be restored. Jytdog (talk) 21:09, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not original research... The issue here is that the USDA has some problems in how they list macronutrients, among other issues. For the most part, I don't have any issues with the actual macronutrient amounts they list, but... 17.73+49.67+23.45+11.8 = 102.65 g, leaving no room for water or ash, and is obviously above 100 g. Now, if you count the carb content properly (11.65 g, or just exclude fiber from the calculation), you'll get 90.85 g, leaving room for water and ash. But you can't count fiber as carbs due to the differences in energy. As for me adjusting the calories, that's because USDA regularly miscalculates the calories (they must have a broken calorie calculator or something?). You let me know what you get when you calculate these exact grams: 17.73 (protein) + 49.67 (fat) +11.65 (carbs) + 11.8 (fiber). Just keep in mind that protein and carbs are 4.06 kcal per g, fat is 8.84 kcal per g and fiber is 1.91 kcal per g. I'll give you an example on how inaccurate USDA is from time to time, based on my favorite seed: hemp: 31.56 g protein out of 100 g seeds, right? Well, if you press the amino acid details and add up those amino acids, you'll get 34.354 g of protein per 100 g. Now, hulled hemp seeds can reach that high protein content, but they're listing a different seed crop obviously in the amino acid details, and when hemp has 34 g of protein, fat or some other macronutrient is decreased. Another issue with USDA's hemp entry, is that there's no hulled hemp seeds on the entire planet, that has as few calories as 553 kcal per 100 g (it varies from around 578 to 610 kcal, depending on the macronutrient percentages). Properly calculating USDA's hemp seed entry, and you'll get 586 kcal; even if you disregard the fiber kcal because that's not always counted, you still get 578 kcal. So again, please tell me what's wrong with the nutrition table? There's no original research at all here. HempFan (talk) 21:56, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: What you just did there was show me the original research you did to arrive at the number you added to the table.  You can't do that in wikipedia.  It violates the policy,  WP:OR.  Jytdog (talk) 21:59, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to intentionally display scientifically inaccurate content here on Wikipedia based on not violating what you call original research, then be my guest. The point is that there's no calorie calculator on the planet (not a scientifically accurate one anyway) that will give you the reported energy scores listed on USDA, and fiber and carbohydrates are not the same thing, because fiber has half the energy (if at all). HempFan (talk) 22:04, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Another thing: can you actually provide a reliable source that lists sesame seeds with an actual carbohydrate content of 20+ g out of 100 g sesame seeds? You do realize, that would increase the calories far beyond 581 kcal, right?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HempFan (talk • contribs) 22:14, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a rhetorical question by the way, because sesame seeds with 23 g of carbs simply do not exist. HempFan (talk) 22:17, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

text: It's "original research" to the extent that Wikipedia's nutritional profile table, lacks an automatic calorie calculator (why? It automatically calculates the DV percentages of micronutrients, so it should automatically calculate calories based on the input of macronutrients). As far as I know, I didn't miscalculate those energy scores, and again: I challenge you both to provide me an example of sesame seeds with 23 g of carbohydrates (and that by excluding fiber). Sesame on average contain around 11 g of carbs, and without the shell, it's even less than 5 g of carbs. USDA is wrong here, and while you two want to correctly report the energy they list, are also wrong because energy isn't calculated differently or abitrarily from food to food. The energy of macronutrients don't vary. HempFan (talk) 22:37, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's an example of 100 g sesame seed nutrition, carbs: 6 g, and kcal, 581. HempFan (talk) 22:45, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The value for calories wasn't calculated it was drawn from the cited USDA website.  This talk page is not a forum.  The values in the table must be sourced from reliable sources.  Not OR, and not some blog. Jytdog (talk) 00:58, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: But do you at the very least acknowledge that USDA lists some faulty information, especially in regards to energy levels? I'll give you another example, walnuts: 654 kcal, 2738 kJ. Now, 1 kcal is 4.184 kJ. 654 kcal is exactly 2736.336 kJ. Never mind the fact that the actual macronutrient energy listed in the Walnut entry, should be 680 kcal (and 2844 kJ), based on those nutrients. This is not a matter of my own opinion or "personal knowledge", and it's not original research either, it's a scientific fact. Someone should email USDA and point them out their inaccuracies so that they can correct these values. HempFan (talk) 01:12, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a source that is more reliable than the USDA and can convince the community that this is the case, then you can use it.  Neither I nor anybody else in Wikipedia is interested in your WP:OR.  You need to stop bringing your OR into Wikipedia and just asserting that "X is a scientific fact".  Every time you do it, you lose more credibility here and pretty soon people will stop responding to you and will just shun you.  The only authority in WP are the sources - please get through your head -- the only thing that matters in Wikipedia is what reliable sources say.  Bring very strong sources, summarize them accurately and your content will generally stick.  Bring poor sources or add unsourced content and you will have problems all day long.   Jytdog (talk) 01:21, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The source (USDA) despite its flaws, is fine and reliable, but it does not follow scientific standards for energy units. And you're okay with that out of source citation dogma or something. The point here is, you're pushing for inaccurate nutritional information. If you think I'm worth ignoring for pointing that out, then that's a problem for Wikipedia's credibility in general as far nutritional content goes (don't worry, I will email USDA later, if I can find their email somehwere). HempFan (talk) 01:36, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  nutrition 

message: The current wording suggests that sesame comes from Greek and Latin, which in turn got it from Arabic. This is not only incorrect but actually impossible, since the Greek and Latin words are attested not only from before Arabic became a leading world language, but even from before Old Arabic first began to develop in Arabia. 
The statement about Arabic cited two references, only one of which mentions Arabic, in turn citing a botany publication from 1829. The other presently cited reference, the current edition of Merriam-Webster, traces the Latin word from the Greek and relates the Greek in turn not to Arabic but to Akkadian, the long-time lingua franca of the Ancient Near East. This is the correct etymology.
The ultimate source of the Arabic claim, the 1829 text, is too old to contain the correct etymology. Generally, 1829 predates many developments in study of historical linguistics, and specifically, it predates by several decades the deciphering of Akkadian.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aithiopika (talk • contribs) 21:22, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Arabic as etymological source of word. Replacing with ancient Semitic (Akkadian). 

message: I noticed you reverted my contribution about sesame contamination with the pesticide ethylene oxide (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sesame&type=revision&diff=990248669&oldid=990244213).
However I think it would be better to keep this contribution to inform users researching information about sesame.
This could be useful health information for people who ate sesame products. I only heard about this contamination once on radio. Some people probably missed this information and could learn it by reading this Wikipedia article. --Baptx (talk) 11:12, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's one instance of contamination from one supplier region announced by a news source, WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENTISM. There's no current evidence that this is a worldwide problem. Zefr (talk) 16:08, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if it is not a worldwide issue, it is an issue in the EU, and EU is a usually considered as a notable market, at least per its size. Also The contamination had a level of 1 000 to 3 500 times the limit of 0.05 milligrams per kilogram for ethylene oxide allowed in Europe.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.136.216.31 (talk) 19:53, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

text: As someone who works in the importation of sesame seeds, I can assure you that ETO contamination is very real and of the upmost importance for all buyers of Indian Sesame seeds. 46.18.99.218 (talk) 12:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pesticides contamination 

message: April 24, 2021: U.S. Congress passes and President signs FASTER Act https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/578 making sesame a food label required allergen. Label changes have until Jan 1, 2023 to take place. Other countries had already required sesame to be labeled. See the Sesame allergy article. David notMD (talk) 11:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allergy regulations 

message: Reduced the content because there is now a Sesame allergy article. David notMD (talk) 11:12, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allergy section 

message: Is it normal that there is a direct link to Sesaco.com's website in the bulk of the text, as opposed to sources/a different article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.18.99.218 (talk) 12:07, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hyperlink to Sesaco removed. David notMD (talk) 14:27, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there a Sesaco.com direct link?