Talk:The Lady, or the Tiger?

message: I fixed a few minor grammatical errors as well as some sentence structure. I also put in a few more internal citations.  There needs to be some external citations added to this article
Elizabethlsu (talk) 03:28, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit

message: Is there a reason that the article links to itself? (the discourager of hesitancy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.249.197.121 (talk) 01:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: It is sourced as 1882, but states it was written in 1884. 76.15.60.107 (talk) 00:04, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now corrected. 1882 is the date that it first appeared. It was in a magazine. 1884 is the first time it appeared in book form in a collection. Somebody has, obviously, been unaware that the magazine appearance predated the book. 129.94.117.165 (talk) 00:09, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Date

message: *The Princess loves the suitor  but will lose him him either way; furthermore she is LIKE IDIOT AND MORE JEALOUS OF THE LADY having the suitor. Therefore she indicates the Tiger door.
No no, despite her jealousy, she'd rather the suitor lived...he loves her and she knows it, so his "wedding" will not be the end for them...and if the cad won't leave his new "wife" for her, she can always send him back to tango with the tiger. Therefore she indicates the Lady door.
(Today I feel optimistic about human nature.)
---Or, the suitor knew the Princess well enough to know that she'd know he'd know she'd lie out of jealousy, so he chose the door she indicated, and thus lived a happily married life until the Princess, pouting prettily, perfidiously paid a pauper to put poison in his new wife's punch. 
(Whereupon the suitor cried a tear, buried his wife, and eloped with the Princess.)
:I'm not sure what is going here, but isn't it enough to indicate that no one knows the ending? My language-arts teacher indicated that "The Discourager of Hesitancy" was written to tell all the people asking for who/what came from the door; the lady or the tiger. It was pretty much saying, "Shut up, shut up. I can put you all on the edge over and over and over, but you'll never get the answer from me as to which came out of the door." Danny Sepley (talk) 00:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Tiger?

message: *Remember having to finish the story for freshman high school English class.  My friend & I offered the scenario that there WAS a tiger behind the door, 
but it was a LADY tiger, and the man and the tiger got married, and they lived happily ever after...until one day the tiger ate the man for leaving the toilet seat up! -65.122.209.163 08:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Creative Writing Assignments

message: I don't see how the princess' situation is a Catch-22 (as describided is the Catch-22 article)
either I am misunderstanding something or the word have to be changed.ErnestC 15:37, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If he gets the tiger and dies, the princess would want him alive. If he gets the lady and shags her, the pricess would want him dead. 217.125.117.197 (talk) 11:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Either way, she loses her lover. MMetro (talk) 13:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catch-22 

message: There is a Mark Twain story about a land ruled by a King who only has a daughter.  The country can only be ruled by a man.  The King's brother has a child who, as far as anyone knows, is a man, but is in fact a girl who has been raised as a man.  She has been designated as the King's heir and will be married to the King's daughter at the time of the coronation.  As the King lies dying, the niece sits on the royal throne, contemplating her becoming the next king, and her cousin, her prospective wife, comes into the throne room and makes a pass at her.  When the heir(ess) rejects the girl, the King's daughter makes a fuss and claims that her cousin raped her.  The only way to prove that the heiress did not rape her cousin, is to show that she's really a girl, but if she does that, then she will be killed, for having profaned the throne by sitting on it.  Does anybody know the name of this story?  Corvus cornix 21:42, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mark Twain

message: I think the solution is so obvious I must have failed to understand the problem: Why doesn't the princess ask her lover which option he would prefer?
87.91.121.5 (talk) 14:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not an option and is made clearer in the text. The lover is in the arena and the princess subtly indicates one of the two doors. It is made obvious that if she made any more overt gesture it would not be tolerated. Furthermore it is not relevant to the themes of the story. The idea that the princess has indicated to him to choose one of the doors is the set-up. The dilemma is whether he can trust her and an analysis of her motives for making each choice both of which are established as being informed by very strong feelings which will both result in the end of their relationship. Thus it is not only about her decision, but about trust and his ability to interpret and discern what her decision might have been.69.181.55.239 (talk) 06:17, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  An easy way out 

message: This classic tale presents the moral dilemma of the princess: she loses her lover with either choice; how she would choose, and how others would choose  -- on what basis would choose -- continues to be an active area of study among serious researchers around the world. One such is Prof. Roberta Saxe in the department of neuro-biology at MIT.  See: http://www.bostonreview.net/BR30.5/saxe.html
Frankatca (talk) 15:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And, of how the man feels - there was one student who had the princess point to the door witht he lady in it, thent he man picked the other door and got eaten by the tiger, to show his love for  the princess - he couldn't stand to have anyone but her.209.244.187.155 (talk) 14:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moral Dilemmas 

message: In the "Doom" book series that is based on the video game by the same name, there is a situation where the main characters, Fly and Arlene, have to choose between one of two different gates. At this point, Arlene brings up the question, "The lady or the tiger?"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.27.47.68 (talk) 09:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other References 

message: Isn't this story referenced in the above-mentioned movie? Frunobulax (talk) 20:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "A Beautiful Mind" 

message: This article and the one at the author's page mention a sequel - "The Discourager of Hesitancy". Can we have some detail on this? Perhaps it doesn't require a separate article, but just to mention the sequel without any indicator of plot is annoyingly tantalising. Or, knowing what I now do about Stockton, is that the point...? Phyte (talk) 23:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Discourager of Hesitancy 

message: Some of the answers above suggest that the princess would have him choose the lady, because she could have an affair with him later.  But keep in mind the story was written in the Victorian era.  From the original readers' point of view the marriage would be sacrosanct and a permanent loss of her lover.  (Although Gilbert and Sullivan had a similar situation in the MIKADO: the Lord High Executioner lets his rival marry his girlfriend, because he can behead the rival)
76.122.75.89 (talk) 03:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  refuting the affair solution 

message: Fact 1: The king realizes that this man loves his daughter
Fact 2: The king knows his daughter loves this man
Fact 3: The king 'probably' thinks his daughter will tell the prisoner which door to choose
Fact 4: In light of #3, the king will swap the tiger and the woman
Fact 5: The princess realizes #4 will take place and thinks ahead...
Wait, based on this, Fact #5 is broken...
Yeah dude, PowerUserPCDude was here (yeah) (talk) 22:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That problem (not really the problem discussed on the article) would be about who can out-think whom, and strategies could be mathematically modeled in Game theory, but it's not really a paradox... AnonMoos (talk) 14:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major paradox 

message: 台科大   不分系  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.204.39.135 (talk) 02:41, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  光頭 

message: While the obvious purpose of the story is not to come up with a solution but to ponder human nature, I believe the story also has something to teach about the mistakes people make. Very often times we find ourselves in real-life situations where none of the available options seem to lead to desirable outcomes. Whatever decision you make, you will lose. The REALLY important question to ask yourself in these situations is not "What decision do I make now?", but rather, "What decision(s) did I previously make that led to me getting into this situation in the first place?"
What the man should be thinking about is not which door to pick, but about how, if he lives, he will no longer make the mistake of making the king mad for any reason.
A similar example would be if you have two siblings that you love equally who are rock climbing with you and a piece of equipment breaks, forcing you to choose which one of them to save while letting the other plunge to their death. There is no correct answer to the current problem with the information given. Just pick one to save and remember to not buy crappy climbing equipment next time.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.184.103.35 (talk) 19:58, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  An additional aspect of the story 

message: I just wanted to make sure I did this correctly--I noticed in the section on "other works" there was a link to a page in Wikipedia that didn't exist, on a second story by Stocktion called "The Discourager of Hesitancy." I found a copy of that story online and added a link to it, but deleted the Wikipedia link to the story as there was no page for it. I'm pretty sure that's OK to do, but my question is, should I create a new page on "The Discourager of Hesitancy" with the summary of the plot and other information on this genre of short short story? Thanks. (P.S. newby that I am, I'm not even sure this is where I should be asking this question, so please feel free to tell me!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nice1sam (talk • contribs) 23:27, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would someone kindly let me know if this looks right?