Talk:Bryan Adams/Archive 2

message: That section, to me, is too huge and overwhelms the article. That, together with the choppiness of the prose, is what prevents this from being nominated as a good article, in my opinion. -- Avi 18:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could go on the discography page. 80.47.164.51 19:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not so sure about the good article thing, it's only just been upgraded from start class to B.  Hero1701 22:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just removed it because I noticed that it IS already on the discography page. Hero1701 22:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Covered songs list 

message: I spent a great deal of time adding information to the lacklustre section on Bryan's career, yet I did not omit any of the information that was there before.  Why has it now been reverted to its previous state?  Hero1701 01:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also like to know the reasons for you consistenly removing any mention of Sweeney Todd in Bryan's article.  Hero1701 01:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Michelle1, why have you reverted the musical career section?

message: It is a little known fact that in 1982, Bryan Adams and Jim Vallance were co-writers with Gene Simmons for 2 KISS songs: Rock and Roll Hell and War Machine.  Those two songs can be found on the album Creatures of the Night from KISS.  This could be added as trivia or something.
:Those songs are listed on the discography page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.139.237.119 (talk) 00:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bryan Adams and Jim Vallance as co-writers for KISS 

message: ::::::::I work for his management. if anyone is at all in doubt of my knowledge on the subject, or wants to contest my impartiality, I suggest you look at my entries. Michelle1 05:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Michelle1: Perhaps you should also consider putting a bit more detail into your edit summaries.  Looking at them at (Michelle1), many of them seem to be lacking as per WP:CIVIL, ...for example, my Feb 3 edit which you reverted and marked as "Spam" and the same edit a day later.  No discussion or mention on the article talk page, just a quick revert like I was a common vandal (and yes, I have reread the Wikipedia guideline on assuming good faith). So after that and also looking at some of the other reverts that you've done, I don't see any point in editing the article any more and I've moved on (except for this talk page) to editing other articles.   Now, you may argue that you reverted my edits because I didn't provide references/cites, which is certainly a good argument, however on the flip side, many of your edit additions don't provide detailed references/cites either...but which you may claim you don't need because you work for Bryan Adams management...but if you take a look at WP:COI guideline, again I quote: "avoid editing articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with"  Please note that personally, I do believe you are editing mostly in good faith, and I've certainly learned many tidbits of information from your edits (like this one), but you may also check the Wikipedia policy on consensus at WP:CONS.  ...Anyway, that's my thoughts this sunny (where I am) Friday morning. Thomas Dzubin Talk 14:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah, I forgot to add a link to WP:NOT#BATTLEGROUND, ...I'm not posting in this talk page because I think I'm right or because I like to argue, I'm posting because I'm trying to stick to the ideals of the Wikipedia policies and guidelines.  As I've mentioned in a previous talk edit: "my life is not really enhanced or lessened knowing Bryan Adams middle name, if he has one, or if he played in Sweeney Todd or not". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dzubint (talk • contribs) 14:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and I do see the irony in saying "I'm trying to stick to the ideals of the Wikipedia policies and guidelines" and I didn't sign my previous post and had the HagermanBot autosign it!  :-)  Thomas Dzubin Talk 14:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Thomas, If you or anyone here have a problem with the two years of submissions I've made here, then take them out, I'm ok with that. My view point has always been clear on what I have added and subtracted; to give accurate information and put things in the correct places. Personally i don't like the way the information or the links that have been added lately as i feel they are repeated already in the discography, and furthermore it gives undue attention to work which has been repeatedly sold as BA's work and just isn't. If we want to get into techicalities, we could add every single studio session from his pre-17 years as a studio singer to this page, which would be accurate, but clearly work for hire isn't what BA is about. Michelle1 17:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think that the Wiki software allows for edit summaries to be changed or taken out after they have been committed.  I was commenting mainly on your lack of detail in your edit summaries, lack of discussion on the talk pages (until very recently) about your reverts, as well as a possible conflict of interest position.  I was not commenting on the content of the "two years of submissions".  In fact I think the content that you have added is great, it's just the content that you've removed (and the process) that I (and some others) may have a problem with.  Thomas Dzubin Talk 17:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text:   i thought the whole point of the enclyopedia is the ever changing landscape and the oppertunity for all to add and subtract as more information is available. does that mean you don't support my request? Michelle1 18:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: When uncontested, yes. When contested, and back up by other sources, some form of consensus needs to be reached to prevent perpetual-check-type edit warring that just ends up in a protected article and a slew of 3RR blocks . Discussions on talk pages are GREAT for working these kinds of things out between passionate and dedicated editors. -- Avi 18:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  who is Michelle1 

message: Complete Sweeney Todd page online via archive.org (articles/pictures)
*http://web.archive.org/web/20060503040828/www.bryanadams.nu/sweeneytodd/index.html
Misc links
*http://www.cbsc.ca/english/decisions/decisions/1998/980520e.htm
*http://www.18tilidie.co.uk/dudesofleisure/bryanadams/bryanadams.htm
*http://www.canehdian.com/artistlinks/artists/bryanadams.html
*http://members.shaw.ca/llcb/nickgilder/covers.htm
:Those are some really good links and could be used to greatly improve this article.  Well done to whoever put them here!  Hero1701 01:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well now this is interesting, looks like someone has just taken down 4 of the pages in those links? 195.92.168.166 15:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links

message: I had a thought, I think Adams' backing band possibly deserves its own section in this article.  He doesn't simply use session musicians when performing live as many solo artists do, Adams has been with his band (or at least with Curry and Scott) for about 20 years.  In some ways, Bryan Adams is more like a band than a solo artist, so perhaps it deserves its own section.  Thoughts on this?  Hero1701 16:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:MUSTARD#Titles and section headings specifies that "In most cases, backing bands do not need their own articles; there are exceptions, such as The Wailers and E Street Band." So the place for information about the band would be in this article as you are suggesting rather than in a new one. Grouse 16:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adams' Backing Band 

message: Although Michelle1's edits are certainly done in good faith ( WP:ASSUME), I do wonder about the Wikipedia conflict of interest guideline since she seems to be directly connected to Bryan Adams (website manager? publicist? ).  I realize that it is just a guideline and not Wikipedia policy, but the part that jumps out at me is: "avoid editing articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with" 
I stay away from editing certain articles or making certain edits because I don't have a "safe distance" from the subject matter.   (although I did create an article about someone notable who I did have one date with in the 1980s, I felt my distance on that one was far enough to avoid WP:COI)   Thomas Dzubin Talk 16:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (and as a side note, my life is not really enhanced or lessened knowing Bryan Adams middle name, if he has one, or if he played in Sweeney Todd or not... but what I do care about more is Wikipedia is a collaborative free web encyclopedia that has external references for things mentioned it that I can look up if I need to)  If there are multiple external reliable references about something, then it should be in Wikipedia (and I don't mean "I have seen a passport" since that is not verifiable).   Thomas Dzubin Talk 16:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: your point of maintaining impartiality is a good one. for the most part, I've tried my best to back up the entries with links to other pages on the internet and will continue to do so. the discussion over the group was unfortunate one, as I felt, and still feel strongly that odd recordings outside of his own solo work were best left in the discography. Michelle1 21:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:COI]] Conflict of Interest guideline 

message: I've nominated this article for the creation and improvement drive because I think that would really help it to be improved to good article status.  If you are like-minded, head over there (Wikipedia:Article Creation and Improvement Drive) and add your vote!  Thanks.  Hero1701 22:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Creation and Improvement Drive

message: I came looking for the People from BC cat, whatever it's properly called....and OK, OK, so he was born in Kingston.  Consensus is he's from North Vancouver; didn't want to add that pending ndrestanding the "people-from categories" bt birthplace ain't the only defining parameter.Skookum1 19:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: cat issue

message: I've removed the note about the 'Haven' book, as it was never officially released by a publisher, whereas the other two books were in fact released by offical publishers (Key Porter and Powerhouse respectively). If we we were include all of the unpublished photographic work here it would be hard to trace.
On the note of any confusion between, Bryan Adams and Ryan Adams, Ryan is significantly more low profile comparitively, and name confusion would be more likely on his page. 
Michelle1 13:48, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  haven book and name 'confusion' 

message: Unfortunately, I don't remember what show I heard it on, but it was a radio show, an interview with AC/DC lead singer Brian Johnson.  He said that AC/DC were recording part of their upcoming album at Bryan Adams' studio and that they liked it because he still had all the analogue stuff.  Does anyone know anything more about this?  Hero1701 15:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: AC/DC Recording At Bryan Adams' Studio

message: It's not good. We got ourselves few references, with some fact tags, a timeline, trivia etc. Alientraveller 20:41, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA

message: I found an extra picture of Adams in Wikipedia's database, so I thought it would make sense to use it, this means we can put the current photo of him in performance lower down in the article, which I have done, plus it's a good profile pic of him.  If you want to change things back, please discuss them here first before you do it.  Thanks.  Daskill 23:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Profile Image Changearound

message: Substituted at 20:01, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment