Talk:Alfa Romeo 147

message: "However, light steering does help during parking manoeuvres because there are less turns lock-to-lock (degrees of turning the steering wheel until it cannot be turned any longer)"
This isn't really true.  The steering is light because it is heavily power assisted, the number of turns from lock to lock is irrelevant really.  In fact if the steering wasn't power assisted, the steering would be much heavier than if more turns were required to turn the wheels from lock to lock.
Also the car is actually quite tricky to park because the turning circle for a small car is rather big!
:From what I understand, if a car is designed without power steering, the manufacturer also increases the amount of turns that must be made lock-to-lock. Thus, if a car owner removed the power steering, it would indeed be simply harder to steer. However, when a manufacturer does this, they compensate by spreading the effort over more turns by decreasing the size of the pinion.
:I suppose that a manufacturer could provide more power assistance in a car with many turns lock-to-lock, but this would negate the need for the added assistance in the first place. Primetime 19:48, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Meriam-Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged "light" entry, light has two definitions applicable in this case: (1) having little weight : not heavy, and (2) able to be performed with little effort : demanding comparatively little energy or strength <contributed to the family income by doing light work -- M.S.Kendrick>. Thus, it could be either of us is wrong. When the ratio is low (many turns to little front wheel movement) and the assistance high, then it's light in the first sense. But, when assistance is high and the ratio is high, then it's light in the second sense in that it requires relatively less effort to steer the car for each turn. It's hard to say what Autoexpress meant when it said light. So, I'll go ahead and eliminate the comment on the turn ratio--not because I'm wrong, but because I could be wrong about what they meant. Primetime 14:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steering 

message: A car length question - from the sidebar on the right of the article:
"Wheelbase  2546 mm (100.2 in.)
Length  4160 mm (163.7 in.)"
I'm comparing lengths of vehicles, and I was thinking of getting a 3-door 147, but is the length above for the 5-door version? That's the version pictured anyway. If the sidebar says:
"Body style(s): 3 and 5-door hatchback"
Then surely lengths should be added to the article for both models. What I mean is: if someone is going to go to the trouble of adding the length, they may as well add the length of each model. Surely the 3-door and the 5-door can't be exactly the same length? Is the length given considered to be a default length, and if it is, which is the default model? The 5-door?
Thanks
:if you look alfa website it tells both are same length, which is actually 4223 mm..--— Typ932T | C  23:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length of the car? 

message: Should we add every country ? I see no point to mention one specific country, isnt this international encyclopedia? we could then add
every f..king country with resale values...same goes to critics there is thounsands of magazine and reviews if we add every comments/ critics and so on this article will come quite large, IMO this whole article needs rewriting --— Typ932T | C  21:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The resale value is still relevant to the car, regardless of whether its from a single country or even a single town. I suppose if the resale value was for a Mercedes, then it would be staying from the subject (i.e., the 147). I guess also that it's possible that someone might add the resale value from other countries to the article, although I doubt it. What would be wrong with that if it happened? I'm having trouble understanding your overall line of reasoning and what you mean by an "international encyclopedia." Wikipedia covers all subjects, which is one of the things that makes it "international." An imaginary "international resale rate" would be useless.--Gnfgb2 22:10, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: international means that resale value maybe totally different in other countries, it doesnt give much info for people living outside UK, same goes to other critics , we can find all kinds of critics good or bad and this isnt consumer guide. Would it be funny read resale value is poor in UK,good in italy, poor in xxx, good in xxxx etc, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view --— Typ932T | C  22:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  resale value