Talk:Web development

message: The current articles for Web development and Web design have been listed in :Category:Wikipedia_articles_needing_rewrite. To facilitate this process, I am creating subpages of the Talk pages for the each article, named Web development (rewrite) and Web design (rewrite). Initially, these two pages will be stubs only, while I take stock of the existing material offline. I hope to post some progress before the end of 2006.
My plan is to improve the content in four stages:
# Provide a high-level taxonomy of the subject area;
# Reorganize the existing content according to that structure;
# Edit and improve the existing material where appropriate;
# Add missing material where it's needed.
That is the plan; in its execution, there will be some overlap within steps 2-4. And we can actually decide to replace the existing pages at any time after stage #2 is complete.
If you want to contribute content or suggestions, then please use the (rewrite) pages only for proposed new or updated content which is intended to eventually replace the existing pages. All discussion should be placed on the two talk pages. During the rewrite process, any internal links between the two articles should use the names with the (rewrite) extensions. If the structure is right, I don't anticipate having too many such cross-references. So I plan to edit them manually when we eventually replace the current articles.
Chris Loosley 22:23, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite of Web Development and Web Design articles 

message: As of December 27, 2006, the Wikibooks article on Web development consists mostly of a taxonomy of the subject area. However, since I do not agree with a lot of it, I am not going to reproduce it in this Wikipedia article rewrite. But I am also not volunteering to edit anything in Wikibooks. If this inconsistency causes problems, please raise them here. Chris Loosley 02:21, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikibooks article on Web Development

message: I view Web development as a particular instance of a Software development process, which is itself a Wikipedia category comprising many articles. I intend to reflect these relationships in the structure and content of the rewritten article. Chris Loosley 03:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Relationship to other articles

message: I know that many informal approaches to Web development do not identify as distinct activities each task of the more formal software development processes. Nonetheless, I believe that a formal software development process identifies a collection of tasks that are essential to the production of effective software. So while people may adopt many different methodologies (or approaches) for addressing the work, those essential tasks must still be performed -- somehow, by someone -- during any development process. By addressing this distinction in the rewrite, I plan to cover both small-scale and large-scale Web development. Chris Loosley 03:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Distinction between development process and methodology

message: The picture at the top of this article is ridiculous. Two guys in front of a computer that is being used for some ambiguous task has little to do with web development. Obviously, you need sentient beings to do web development and they probably would be using a computer, but, that seriously doesn't warrant the use of the current image.
: I agree because I don't see how web development can be properly illustrated, specially using a photo with two guys looking at a screen. --Goa103 20:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ridiculous picture

message: The following statement "The web development industry is expected to grow over 20% over the next 5 years" has no citation and no indication of when this statement was made. 5 years from what date? --Bradley Holt 23:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time Specific Information 

message: Above is an example of someone who has never designed a website. Think about purely mathematically if you design websites for $100 each you will have to design 400 websites a year. That just isn't possible.
: He said "develop a website with" less than a few hundred dollars, not "develop for".  There's a difference between the cost of designing a website and the amount the designer needs to charge to support him/herself.  I think the above commentator is trying to say that you don't need to have hundreds of dollars to design a website yourself.  You can probably use free tools and cheap hosting to develop a website for less than $100.
: Actually, there is a divergence. It is getting cheaper for an amateur to develop an amateur site because the WYSIWYG tools are getting better and cheaper. At the same time the cost of a serious, professionally-developed site is increasing at a substantial rate (not counting the pick-a-template sort of providers.) A distinction should be made here between do-it-yourself activities and the sort of work done by professionals. Else it is easily misleading.
Random contributor: It is not Wikipedia's job to define the markets equilibrium price for Web development. And if you do so, cite sources. You are guessing at what the real value of development is. I charge £200 per day working for an SME.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.119.23 (talk) 07:59, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTF? 

message: Web development may be related to websites or an intranet, yet it is more related to the user end comprehension of transmitted data between computers, and the compatibility of communications or end results, meaning that attempts to display any information accessed on the web will look the same from any other access point. The entire article is written in a way that will tend to lead unfamiliar readers to think that web development is all about websites and website development. Websites and website development are components of web development, certainly not the primary functionality, or priority. 
The World Wide Web is more of a software program distributed through the Internet. Future websites will exist outside the WWW or Http in the advent of new communication technologies that communicate information between computers differently than preset methods.
When the cost of a website is mentioned.... yes, a website can be created for less than a thousand dollars. More accurately, the cost of access to the internet.
To more accurately and appropriately give web development the credit it deserves, a history of the meaning of the word web, and that it was considered a birth from hypertext, leading to HTTP://WWW, might help establish it's origin and vast nature.
Throwing more little components of web development as if they are the key driving factor and most relevant aspect does not give the article justice.
--Levi Porter (talk) 11:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure splitting it would improve it. I think most internal links should be removed. For example instead of listing programming languages like Java and PHP, we could simply write "Programming languages are used to implement...". See the External links for more info. So sad there isn't a See also article yet. I'm planning to write one for the french Wikipedia. --Goa103 21:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nonetheless, I've split it up a little bit and added a small section on security. In my opinion, it looks much easier to read for now. Hopefully others will feel the same! 86.3.80.185 13:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup required

message: Web Development should be categorized. Suggestions?
: That's a tricky question because in english it seems Web design and development stands for Web creation. In french we have the Conception de sites Web (Websites creation) article for it. It's even trickier because Conception can also mean Design in an other context. Moreover design is more related to the visual appeal (Graphics, CSS...), not the backend. Worst it seems most people don't make any differences between Web development and programming. IMHO programming is part of developing. So Web development includes designing and programming Web applications (Services, websites...). The same goes for software development. First you design, then you program (implement). So I think the article should have its own category, like the Web design article as the Web design category. The idea would be to create categories like Web development, Web programming... I think separating topics is important, as it's essential to separate the presentation from the business logic for example. --Goa103 21:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category? 

message: File:Web_development_timeline.png shows XHTML2 WG as the last action of W3C. XHTML2 WG is effectively dead (they're wrapping up some last non-XHTML bits). WHATWG and HTML5 WG needs to be added.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.70.200.181 (talk) 13:34, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image missing WHATWG 

message: I'm against this request. Because web development has two definitions: first one is of wider range and includes web designing and etc. The second one is only about markyp and coding. so there is no need of merging the article. I mean we can improve the web engineering article, but there is no need of merging them under web engineering. --Wayiran (talk) 01:25, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[Web engineering]] 

message: Client Side Coding part does not include basic languages and standards like SGML, XML, HTML, XHTML, CSS, XSL and so on. These should be covered.90.185.64.244 (talk) 18:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Typical Areas

message: Could an editor please add the foreign language wiki links? Here is the page in Spanish for example: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desarrollo_web  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.220.57.100 (talk) 01:36, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to other language Wiki pages 

message: In 1989, Tim Berners Lee, a fellow at CERN Laboratory in Europe at that time, sketched his notion of a computer platform which could simplify the process of collaboration among the researchers from different corners around the globe. In 1990, this idea went to the invention of Hypertext Markup Language (famously labeled as HTML). Immensely based on the Standard Generalized Markup Language (SGML), HTML turned into the World Wide Web’s (WWW) fundamental building block and still stays at the center of its infrastructure and coding. The very basics of HTML did include support for images but HTML was largely text-focused. Formatting and content positioning were not given much importance at the very beginning. However, the standard provided the coders with a capability of organizing each and every layout of the web understood by the users and interacted among the interconnected networks.
The internet was present for quite a prolonged time in some form. The first Wide Area Network (WAN) and Local Area Network (LAN) was discovered respectively in 1965 and 1983. Fiber Optic Cable, Coaxial, and Twisted-Pair were already being broadly applied in telecommunication world. But when all these technologies collided with Berners Lee’s invention, that was the beginning of the modern-day web. The technology promptly started to develop and by the mid-1990s, some of the initial commercial web pages were up and running.
With the mounting use of the internet and web pages, preference for the websites changed dramatically throughout the audience. From a hard-core academic nature, it started to include the non-technical users as well. The demand for content and the type of websites turning popular were changed. Design, format and rich media got the upper hand over the intellectual precision of content all of a sudden.
The very first browser was invented by Tim Berners Lee in 1990 which was called WorldWideWeb and later renamed Nexus. But the browser did not receive enough reception and in 1993, Mosaic browser was invented which reshaped the popularity of the internet for many. The browser offered the facility to bookmark and provided inline images to the audience across the globe. At that time, Mosaic images had to be downloaded to view distinctly from page content. Mosaic is considered to be the first user-friendly browser and got famous among the non-technical users by making them understand web for the first time.
Cookies came into existence through Mosaic Netscape browser in 1994. They garnered quite a bad reputation for tracking the online user activity but Cookies started to play a pivotal role in adding a layer of programmatic sophistication to the web. Presently, improved web storage methods are being implemented to substitute their use.
An important part of today’s front-end style sheet language CSS was also born in 1994 proposed by the CTO of Opera browser – Hakon Wium Lie. He played a vital role in the adoption of downloadable fonts and HTML tags.
An integral part of web development, PHP was released in 1996 and before the time, we had the web world without PHP. Currently, more than 80% websites use PHP as the core web language because of its ability to run on a server, get embedded in HTML and support SQL databases.
There can be a few milestones found in the history of web development which are as follows:
1994: Yahoo and Amazon were launched and the invention of ‘at’ sign (@) generated confusion among the newscasters.
1997: 1,000,000th domain was launched.
2000: Dot com boom peaked. PHP 4.0 was released.
2001: Geocities.com acquires more traffic than Google. Drupal 1.0 was released.
2002: Wi-Fi experiences a significant rise and comes mainstream.
2004: The internet became a two-way street. Website management tools were in demand but most of the developments were being done on live servers via FTP.
2007: Local development tools like MAMP came into existence.
2009: Github.com was launched. Cloud Computing started off.
2010: DevOps became a household term.
2018: More than 1.8 billion websites are up and running. AR, VR, Chatbots and AI are immensely integrated. Intlum (talk) 05:16, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. It's also unclear what change you'd like to make. Did you want all of the above added to the article? If so, I would say that Internet and History of the Internet already provide a great history of the Internet. OhKayeSierra (talk) 06:32, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

text: Hello , I have reverted your recent change - please do not change messages (including your own) once they have been answered by other editors. Of course you are welcome to post additional sourced suggestions in new threads. Please make sure to read WP:RS first (for example, blogs and your own company publications are not reliable sources). Also, if you don't mind an additional suggestion: it would be better to propose smaller changes. Smaller changes are easier to review and are -usually- more likely to get implemented (assuming you provide a reliable source or multiple sources for the whole suggestion). GermanJoe (talk) 16:39, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2018 

message: built highly interactive and responsive website using cutting-edge web technologies 117.197.243.177 (talk) 06:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: It's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —KuyaBriBri Talk 17:39, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 September 2020 

message: Hi,
On the second paragraph, second sentence:
Among Web professionals, "Web development" usually refers to the main non-design aspects of building Web sites: writing markup and coding.[2] Web development may use content management systems (CMS) to make content changes easier and available with basic technical skills.
Can we add the following:
Web development may use various System Development Option: 
# Pure HTML and CSS (and Javascript)
# Dynamic server-side and client-side programming
# Web Applications Frameworks
# content management systems (CMS) to make content changes easier and available with basic technical skills.
Reference from Dr. Denis Hamelin: Toronto Metropolitan University (formerly Ryerson University), official CPS530 Web Systems Development > Documents > Course Slides > Lesson 01 ❯ Introduction to Web Systems Development
https://www.cs.ryerson.ca/~cps530/documents.php
Regards, Mojtaba Mohammadi (talk) 22:28, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RealAspects (talk) 05:55, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2022 

message: : Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Callmemirela 🍁 18:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2023 

message: Web development refers to the process of creating websites and web applications. It involves various aspects, including designing the user interface, coding the functionality, and deploying the website to a web server. Renusingroha (talk) 04:21, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:29, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2023 

message: — Assignment last updated by Thecanyon (talk) 05:32, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: INFO 505 - Foundations of Information Science

message: change Tim Berners-Lee created the World Wide Web in 1989 at CERN. to Tim Berners-Lee created the World Wide Web in 1989 at CERN. Designer404 (talk) 23:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Lewcm Talk to me! 10:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2023 

message: change 1. Agile manifesto and Principles to 1. Agile Manifesto and Principles
Designer404 (talk) 01:10, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: , see WP:MOSHEAD.   Maproom (talk) 19:01, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2023 

message: There is a typo in the following: "AI and Machine Learning Integration (2010s - [resent)" It should be 'present'. Marxellina (talk) 12:44, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 January 2024 

message: fix to minor issues Pankajsingh96 (talk) 10:16, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2024 

message: Virtuenetz (talk) 06:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This process is for you to request changes to this Wikipedia article. Do you have any particular changes to suggest? Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 07:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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