Talk:List of indigenous languages of Argentina

message: I have restored the deleted languages for different reasons:
*This list is not about still used languages but about languages of Native Americans (aboriginals, or whatever the prefer to be called) of present Argentina. I restored those extinct languages that have been deleted.
*Chiriguano was removed to the list without any reference supporting the decision. According to this reference, its spoken mainly in Bolivia but also spoken in Argentina.
*Chulupi and Mataco where deleted for derogatory when consensus was not yet reached.
-Mariano(t/c) 08:36, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted languages

message: This is only a (very) partial list:
* Adelaar, Willem F.H. (2004). The languages of the Andes. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press 
* Albó, Xavier (1990). Los Guaraní-Chiriguano 3. La comunidad hoy. Cuadernos de Investigación 32. La Paz: CIPCA.
* Bartolomé, Miguel Angel (1972). The situation of the Indian in Argentine: the Chaco area and Misiones. In: W. Dostal (ed.), The situation of the Indian in South America: 218-251. Geneva.
* Braunstein, José A. (1978). Bosquejo de una historia social de los Chiriguanos (Tupí-Guaraní). Cuadernos Franciscanos, 49, Itinerario 13: 111-132. Salta.
* ______ (1992-3A). Presentación: esquema provisorio de las tribus chaqueñas. Hacia una Nueva Carta Étnica del Gran Chaco, 4: 1-8. Las Lomitas, Formosa. 
* ______ (1992-3B). Presentación. Hacia una Nueva Carta Étnica del Gran Chaco, 5: 1-3. Las Lomitas, Formosa.
* ______ (1996). Clasificación de las lenguas y pueblos del Gran Chaco. In: Herminia E. Martín & Andrés Pérez Diez (eds.), Lenguas indígenas de Argentina 1492-1992: 19-32. San Juan: Universidad Nacional de San Juan.
* Carvajal, Silvia (1998). Etnohistoria y ocupación espacial del pueblo tapiete. Anales de la Reunión Anual de Etnología, Tomo I: 363-385. La Paz: MUSEF.
* Combès, Isabelle and Thierry Saignes (1991). Alter ego. Naissance de l'identité Chiriguano. París: Editions de l'EHESS.
* De la Cruz, Luis María (1989). La Situación de Ocupación Territorial de las Comunidades Aborígenes del Chaco Salteño y su Tramitamiento Legal. Suplemento Antropológico, 24/2: 87-144.
* DGEEC (2003). II Censo nacional indígena de población y viviendas 2002. Pueblos indígenas del Paraguay. Resultados finales. Asunción: DGEEC. 
* ______ (2004). Atlas de las comunidades indígenas en el Paraguay. Asunción: DGEEC.
* Dietrich, Wolf (1990). Chiriguano und Guarayo word formation. In: Doris L. Payne (ed.), Amazonian linguistics. Studies in Lowland South American languages: 293-320. Austin: The University of Texas Press.
* Fabre, Alain (1998). Manual de las lenguas indígenas sudamericanas, vol. II. Munich: Lincom Europa [ Mataguayo: pg. 749-774]
* García Aldonate, Mario (1994). ...y resultaron humanos. Fin de las culturas nativas en territorio argentino. Madrid: Compañía Literaria.
* Gerzenstein, Ana and Beatriz Gualdieri (2003). La armonía vocálica en lenguas chaqueñas de las familias Guaicurú y Mataguaya. LIAMES, 3. Campinas, SP.
* Greenberg, Joseph H. (1987). Language in the Americas. Stanford: Stanford University Press.
* Kraus, Michael (1997). Zur Verarbeitung von Ausseneinflüssen im Schamanismus der Izoceño-Guarani. Mitteilungen des Museums für Völkerkunde zu Leipzig, 41: 375-403.
* Henry, Jules 1936 The linguistic position of the Ashlushlay Indians. International Journal of American Linguistics, 10: 86-91.
* Loukotka, Čestmír (1968). Classification of South American languages. Los Angeles: UCLA
* Magrassi, Guillermo (1968). El complejo chiriguano-chané. Censo Indígena Nacional 1967-68, t. II: 23-60. Buenos Aires: Ministerio del Interior.
* Manelis Klein, Harriet (1985). Current status of Argentine indigenous languages. In: H.E. Manelis Klein & Louisa R. Stark (eds.), South American Indian Languages. Retrospect and Prospect: 691-731. Austin.
* Martínez, Angelita (2004). Lenguas amerindias en Argentina. In: Ariadna Lluís i Vidal-Folch & Azucena Palacios Alcaine (eds.), Lenguas vivas en América Latina. Barcelona/ Madrid: Institut Català de Cooperació Iberoamericana/ Universidad Autónoma de Madrid.
* Métraux, Alfred (1944). Estudios de etnografía chaquense. Anales del Instituto de Etnografía Americana 5. Mendoza: Universidad Nacional de Cuyo.
* Nordenskiöld, Erland (1910A). Indianlif i El Gran Chaco (Sydamerika). Estocolmo: Albert Bonniers Förlag.
* ______ (1910B). Sind die Tapiete ein guaranisierte Chacostamm? Globus 98/12: 181-186.
* Perasso, José A. (1992). Ayvukue rape (El camino de las almas). Etnografía ava-kue-chiripá y tymãka-chiriguano. San Lorenzo: Museo  Guido Boggiani.
* Rocca, Manuel María (1973). Los chiriguano-chané. América Indígena 33/3: 743-756.
* Saignes, Thierry (1982). Guerres indiennes dans l'Amérique pionnière: le dilemne de la résistance chiriguano à la colonisation européenne (XVIème-XIXème siècles). Histoire, Économie et Société 1: 77-103. París.
* Susnik, Branislava (1968). Chiriguanos I. Dimensiones etnosociales. Asunción: MEAB.
* Teruel, Ana A. y Omar Jerez (eds.) (1998). Pasado y presente de un mundo postergado. Estudios de antropología, historia y arqueología del Chaco y piedemonte surandino. Jujuy: Universidad Nacional de Jujuy.
* Tomasini, Juan Alfredo 1978 Contribución al estudio de la conquista y colonización del Chaco. Cuadernos Franciscanos, 49. Itinerario, 13: 7-19. Salta. 
* Tovar, Antonio (1964). El grupo mataco y su relación con otras lenguas de América del Sur. Actas del 35º Congreso Internacional de Americanistas, tomo II: 439-452. Mexico.
* Viegas Barros, José Pedro (1993-4) ¿Existe una relación genética entre las lenguas mataguayas y guaycurúes? Hacia una Nueva Carta Étnica del Gran Chaco, 5: 193-213. Las Lomitas, Formosa.
Cinabrium 20:53, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bibliography

message: I see you have a good knowledge on the subject, which I don't posses. I would like to see all this information reflected in the Wikipedia, but it would be good if we first agree on the way to do it.
You state that some names are derogative, and are generally used to refer to a range of similar or connected languages. I believe its important to keep such denominations, but it should be stated in the article the origin of the name and its connotation. It would be also very good to have a list of the languages that this terms group, both in these articles as well as in the List of NA languages article.
I understand your dislike for such names, but unfortunately they are widely used, and as an encyclopedia we can not overlook this fact.
I really hope you find both the time and will to work on the subject adding and correcting the information we have. Don't forget, though its is always difficult to achieve impartiality, that this is not a place to state your way of thinking, but rather a place to search for facts.
Take care, and good wiking, Mariano(t/c) 08:42, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mariano's reply

message: Aboriginal languages in Argentina
             |____ Living
             |       |_____Active
             |       |       |____ Tupi-Guaraní family
             |       |       |          |___ Subgroup I
             |       |       |                   |___ Paraguayan Guaraní
             |       |       |                   |___ Western Guaraní (Avá Guaraní or "chiriguano)
             |       |       |                   |___ Mbyá Guaraní
             |       |       |                   |___ Chiripá
             |       |       |                   |___ Kaiwá
             |       |       |                   |___ Tapieté
             |       |       |____ Guaycuruan family
             |       |       |          |___ Qom group
             |       |       |                   |___ Mocoví   
             |       |       |                   |___ Pilagá
             |       |       |                   |___ Toba
             |       |       |____ Mataguayo ("mataco") family
             |       |       |          |____Wichí group ("mataco")
             |       |       |          |        |___ Nocten (Oktenay)
             |       |       |          |        |___ Güisnay (Wenhayéy)
             |       |       |          |        |___ Vejoz (Wehwos)
             |       |       |          |____Nivaklé group ("chulupí")
             |       |       |          |        |___ Forest Nivaklé (Yita'a lhavós)
             |       |       |          |        |___ River Nivaklé (Chishamne and Shichaam lhavos)
             |       |       |          |____Chorote group
             |       |       |                   |___ Jo'wuwa or Iyo'wujwa (Manjui)
             |       |       |                   |___ Yofwaja or Iyojwa'ja (Eklenjui)
             |       |       |____ Quechua family
             |       |       |          |____Quechua II C
             |       |       |                    |___ Southern Bolivian (Kolla)
             |       |       |                    |___ Santiago del Estero Quichua
             |       |       |____ Araucanian family
             |       |       |          |_____________ Mapudungun (Mapuche)
             |       |       |____ Isolated and unclassified
             |       |                  |_____________ Aymara
             |       |____ Endangered or nearly extinct
             |               |____ Chon family
             |               |          |_____________ Aönikën (Tehuelche)
             |               |          |_____________ Śelknam (Ona)
             |               |____ Lule-vilela family
             |               |          |_____________ Vilela
             |               |____ Isolated and unclassified
             |                          |_____________ Gennaken (Puelche)
             |___ Extinct (an imcomplete list)
                             |____ Arawakan family
                             |          |_____________ Chané
                             |____ Charruan (?)
                             |          |_____________ Güenoa
                             |          |_____________ Chaná
                             |____ Guaicuruan family
                             |          |_____________ Abipón
                             |____ Lule-vilela family
                             |          |_____________ Lule-toconoté
                             |____ Isolated and unclassified
                                        |___ Huarpe group
                                        |         |___ Allentiac or Alyentiyak
                                        |         |___ Millcayac or Milykayak
                                        |_____________ Cacán
                                        |_____________ Kunza, or Likanantaí (Atacameño)
                                        |_____________ Henia-camiare or Hênia-kamiare
                                        |_____________ Het
                                        |_____________ Yagan, Yámana or Háusi-kúta
For each language, a brief note would explain the number of speakers, geographical distribuition and some other features as needed, more or less along the lines of this  article in Spanish Wikipedia.
I'll try to write it ASAP, and to get some bibliography into it (not as much as I quoted above, I hope :)). It will take a little, but we could have a version in a couple of days. Cinabrium 20:53, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm impressed. Please go ahead. I have very little knowledge of NatAmLangs but I think I can flesh things up once the skeleton is in place. Also, maybe this should have a discussion place somewhere on the board. I prefer option (b): "American aboriginal languages spoken in Argentina". First we should see what is already there, what needs to be renamed, how we will separate languages, dialects, linguistic families, tribes, ethnic groups, etc. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 14:53, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, nice chart! Worth including in the article, missa think. Pablo, with spoken you would loose the extinct languages. Should we have 3 articles: Languages of Argentina, Extinct Languages and Spoken Languages? If things grow might be better. -Mariano(t/c) 07:17, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal

message: Per User talk:Bohemian Baltimore#Indigenous, "the indigenous Wikiproject is only for North America, and only applies to North American articles." — Sagotreespirit (talk) 07:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalizing "indigenous" only applies to North America