Talk:String Quartet No. 14 (Beethoven)

message: The wikilink to Robert Winter is to the wrong Robert Winter. There doesn't seem to be a page here for the right Robert Winter, but there should be. He is a musicologist.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.135.235 (talk) 08:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert Winter 

message: This surely has no encyclopaedic value. It looks like a thinly disguised advertisement to me. The fact that a book was written on the Quartet is perhaps notable, but the rest needs to be removed immediately. Gunstar hero (talk) 16:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book Reference 

message: Hello.  I've just added a cleanup tag.  At first glance the content looks good, but its very oddly ordered.  Its strange having so much content before the TOC.  Also, the large paragraph after the movement list should be split up.  Background information pertaining the the quartet as a whole should move up into the lede and information specific to individual movements should move down into the analysis section.  Just my two cents.  Cheers. DavidRF (talk) 22:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up tag 

message: Not every major ending is a Picardy third.  The last 38 bars are in major!   Kostaki mou (talk) 04:55, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Picardy third" 

message: Whether or not the first movement of this string quartet resembles Bach's work is entirely subjective. Someone needs to find a reliable source supporting this perceived "resemblance." Otherwise, the statement needs to be removed. 128.120.110.38 (talk) 01:07, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Resemblance" to Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier 

message: Several people have "corrected" this article to say that the ending is in C# minor, not C# major.  If they will check the e's in the final measures of both the first and last movements, they will see that they are sharped.  This makes the key C# major, not C# minor.  Kostaki mou (talk) 15:17, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ending 

message: I am not claiming the final chord is C# minor (although the sentence in the text is ambiguous about whether it meant the final movement or the final chord).  But if it comes down to it, it's not for us to analyze the piece, but to provide reliable sources that provide that analysis.  I left that as is.  
It's the attribution of the piece as a whole that I changed.  A quick search on google, even ignoring those sites who might have used Wikipedia as a source call it Quartet No. 14 in C# minor.  And all authority records follow suit:
* http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/no91026347
* https://d-nb.info/gnd/300016034
* http://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb139081579
I propose we switch back to C# minor in the infobox.
--John (User:Jwy/talk) 05:19, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If I changed the infobox I certainly did not intend to.  The key of the work as a whole is certainly C# minor.  I thought someone had changed the article to state that the work ended in C# minor, which it does not.  As I stated above, the last thirty-eight bars are in C# major.  Kostaki mou (talk) 14:32, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

text: I checked the history.  Looks like I'm guilty as charged!  Sorry!  I thought the article had said that the work ended in C# minor and that I'd changed it to say that it ended in C# major.  That is what I intended.  Kostaki mou (talk) 16:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspected that was the case.  I'm not going weigh in on the other item.  Happy editing.  --John (User:Jwy/talk) 16:29, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major/Minor 

message: An early sentence in the section titled Music reads as follows:
"While Beethoven composed the quartet in six distinct key areas, the work begins in C minor and ends in C major."
What is meant by "six distinct key areas"???  The word "areas" could mean many different things. But this comment is never explained later in the article.2601:200:C000:1A0:4CBA:C7AC:F663:37A2 (talk) 01:50, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose the phrase "composed the quartet in six distinct key areas" was used to avoid "composed the quartet's movements in six different keys". Anyway, inspecting the table at the beginning of "Music" should make it clear to readers what is meant. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:02, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Reading the description of the first movement, "fugue" is clearly what is meant. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:21, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does this mean? 

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message: PhD thesis about "The Critical and Artistic Reception of Beethoven’s String Quartet in C♯ minor, op. 131".  A fairly comprehensive survey of other authors' commentaries about the quartet
OUP book by Nancy November about the quartet
 Musical Times article presenting the quartet as a "case study of an invisible city".  I actually liked this.  Not too much purple prose like some other writings have.  J. W. N. Sullivan's are particularly saturated.
Disclaimer: I'm just a musical doofus, listening to this thing because reasons and unable to make much sense of it.  The above are from a web search looking for clues.  I'll leave it to others to figure out which if any are usable for the article or its development.  2601:644:8501:AAF0:0:0:0:E23B (talk) 20:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  possibly interesting publications 

message: The 3rd movement (Allegro moderato – Adagio) is currently said to be in B minor. The IMSLP page says it is in C# minor. It's not obvious from the signature alone what the key is, as it has 3 sharps. It does seem to end in E major, though. I can see how it might be in C# minor (or even F# minor), but I fail to see why B minor. Duducoutinho (talk) 13:46, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the third movement key: B minor, C# minor, or F# minor?