Talk:Pardo Brazilians

message: This is a very common mistake in translation  by both brazilians and americans. ANy good dictionary of portuguese will show that the word Pardo means GREY, not brown, nor grey brown. Because it's not a common word in use other than in relation to skin color, people assumes that means brown, but it does not.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.77.40 (talk) 07:02, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  PARDO means GREY, not Brown or Grey Brown 

message: is this word used specifically for a person who is of mixed PORTUGUESE and black ancestry?
Gringo300 16:28, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, could be used by other mixed also. Any European, African or Aboriginal mixed in any degree. But, "moreno" (a synonym for pardo) is used more frequently. --ClaudioMB (talk) 16:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  PORTUGUESE and black ancestry 

message: Pardo can be someone who is white like that actress up there but someone who is black rinaldo?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.27.30 (talk) 04:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a culture definition more than a biological one. So, for a no Brazilian person, this could be totally confusing. --ClaudioMB (talk) 16:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually, I think that board with photos has too many mulattoes, because it doesn't represent correctly the enormous varieties of Pardo-Brazilians, especially the caboclos. Where are caboclos there? I would suggest, if someone decides to make a better photo board, as an example of cabocla woman the actress Dira Paes (typical Indian-White mix), the actor Marcos Palmeira (a very clear mix of all the main races of Brazil) and a lighter-skinned person like Deborah Secco, who could be considered by most Brazilians as a "morena" (i.e., a lighter pardo person). Thus it would be much clearer that "Pardo" in Brazil means practically anything that goes from definitely black to definitely white, according to each one's personal views. That is, an entirely confusing definition... ;-) 201.9.49.95 (talk) 20:47, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, assume good faith. Deborah Secco a Pardo? Are you out of your mind? Her ancestry is Italian. Opinoso (talk) 22:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very confusing 

message: I word-crafted several sentence to better conform with English grammar rules (instead using Portuguese grammatical constructs in English); for example, I changed "in consequence of the rise of European racism ..." to " as a result of rising...". Furthermore, I changed the term "parda" to "pardo" in the sentence containing:' "parda" population '. In English, we do not make adjectives match the gender of the noun being modified like in Portuguese:
:"A população(f) parda(f)" does not translate to the "parda" population in English but rather the neutral: "pardo" population (note the gender of pardo maybe masculine in Portuguese, but when transported to English transforms to a neutral (and the convention is to use the masculine form of a Latin adjective as the default neutral form when said adjective is imported from a Latin language to English. For example even though the word "población" is feminine in Spanish, we NEVER say the "Latina population" when referring to the entire Latino population (i.e. men and women), we say "the Latino population" (importing and using only the masculine form and using it as the default and more general case).
Substituted "mixed marriages/partnerships" for the term "miscegenation" as it is increasingly considered an offensive, inaccurate and racist term as it's literal meaning from the Latin terms 'mis' (bad) cegenation (birth) equates to  "a bad birth"; as in: an undesirable, unclean union, when referring to the sexual union of parents of different racial backgrounds that leads to the birth of a 'mixed-race' child. Clearly characterizing the children of mixed parentage as being the result of 'bad-birth' is pejorative and contrary to the truth, since most such individual tend to be more robust and intelligent than their parents.70.83.175.116 (talk) 02:31, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your Latin is blatantly wrong; "mis-" does not mean "bad" in Latin (and "cegenation" certainly does not mean "birth"). Rather, "misce" stands for "mixed", and "genation" for "generation". Your reasoning is similar to that of people who say "perdaughter". And you introduce the notion that all sexual unions constitute "marriages", which is, evidently, wrong. Plus, there is absolutely nothint "bad", "undesirable", "unclean", "pejorative", "racist", or even "inaccurate" about the word "miscegenation". On the contrary, racist is the idea that sexual unions between people of different "races" are, for some strange reason, "undesirable" or "unclean". There is no reason we should concede this to racists. Ninguém (talk) 13:56, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor grammar Corrections in Section: Definitions of a Pardo

message: The other IBGE racial classifications do not have their original names in Portuguese (branco, preto/negro) and are translated to English in their English Wikipedia pages (White Brazilian, Black Brazilian).
Why is not the word "pardo" (meaning "brown") translated?
Do note that "pardo" also means brown (more specifically, light brown, as "marrom" is more often used to describe darker shades of brown such as those of wood) when not referring to colour of skin. In Portuguese, kraft paper is also called "papel pardo", brown paper. A cougar is called an "onça parda" (brown ounce).
I feel that the article could be made both more understandable for non-Brazilian readers and more consistent with other articles about "races" in Brazil if it was renamed to "Brown Brazilians" or something.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.209.136.210 (talk) 22:17, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Pardo" should be translated to English as "brown" 

message: Somebody has been posting several pictures of celebrities and famous people and claiming them as "Pardo". No resource has been brought to confirm this claim. This is original resource. Xuxo (talk) 01:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone WP:BOLD and removed the image array (gallery) template from the 'Infobox ethnic group', image section. This has proven to be contentious on numerous ethnic group articles where it's become a sinkhole for editor time and energy with edit wars breaking out as to who is a member of that particular ethnic group, defining the ethnic group, etc. As it stands, it an image gallery has never been a parameter in the ethnic group infobox, and 'image' is an optional field. Regular editors working on the Romanians and Russians articles have, by consensus, chosen to omit any form of gallery due to its not been worth the grief. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:02, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures of celebrities and famous people 

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message: I've met quite a few Brazilians (mostly women) referring to themselves as "morena" or "moreno" and not as "pardo". One lady who was a school teacher by training even explained to me the fluidity of those categories by pointing out that she herself was considered "morena" in her home state Bahia, while in Rio she was more likely considered "negra" (or "nigra", not sure about the spelling). 
So why are those terms not even mentioned in this article, even though they seem to be quite visible or even predominant in racial self identification among Brazilians themselves? 91.47.30.201 (talk) 18:53, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  moreno / morena 

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message: Isn't Pardo just another term for mulatto or moreno? Plus, I know some  brazilian friends and they call themselves, mulatto or moreno, never heard pardo. Plus, I was told that preto is considered offensive, and it should be used negro.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.103.192.153 (talk) 15:45, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  pardo/mulatto/moreno preto/negro