Talk:Vertical stabilizer

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: No consensus. There are valid concerns about the scope of this and related articles, as well as about British/American terminology in the field, but this is not something that can be rectified by a simple page move.  No such user (talk) 14:28, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Vertical stabilizer →  – The subject of this article's present content is principally the whole vertical tail, which includes not only the stabilizer but also the rudder and any trim tabs. The straw poll and discussion immediately preceding this RfM highlight this, and also cite RS to the effect that discussions in textbooks invariably focus on the whole assembly, in just this way. Our Title policy at WP:CRITERIA requires that  The easiest and best way to achieve this is to move the article as proposed. An alternative solution, to cut the material on the tail in general and paste it into a new article, would lose that material's edit history. Since it comprises the vast majority of this article, and would leave only a small and unsourced stub behind, leaving the edit history too would be quite the wrong solution. Instead, this article should simply be renamed to reflect its actual content. Whether or not a short article focusing exclusively on the vertical stabilizer should be recreated, will then be subject to the usual policies and guidelines. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 16:59, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose - The oppose comments below make strong points.  "Vertical stabilizer" is the common name. - ZLEA T\C 23:31, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Comment - The NASA website mentioned by Nick Thorne is ambiguous on this point. It also says “The tail usually has ... a fixed vertical piece, called the vertical stabilizer.” (Italicisation of fixed is my emphasis.) These NASA websites are not particularly reliable sources - they cater for newcomers to the subject, and err on the side of simplicity. Dolphin (t) 00:43, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

text: It is also a pity that, despite this article having existed at Wikipedia for over 16 years, it appears there is not one cited source that identifies the vertical stabilizer. (The cited sources identify the vertical tail.)  has offered Jane's All The World's Aircraft and/or Bill Gunston as a source. Any such offer is appreciated, especially if it focuses on yaw stability, so it would be useful if Nimbus could insert the appropriate details as an inline citation. Dolphin (t) 11:36, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Gunston defines vertical stabilizer as the US term for fin on the same page. This article's scope as set out in the lead is incorrect and has been since it was created in 2005, there should be no mention of control, control surfaces or trim tabs apart from a passing mention of all-moving fins and the fact that rudders are usually attached. We have tailplane and elevator (aeronautics) but we have no rudder (aeronautics) article (it's just a redirect to material that has been moved here recently). Our set of articles on aircraft control and stability should be reviewed and rationalised to avoid overlap by using summary style.Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 12:19, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 28 September 2021 

message: Why does this link to https://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Superficies_estabilizadoras&redirect=no instead of https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estabilizador_vertical ? It works one way and not the other. What's happening? this is extremely frustrating. 
Santiago Arderíus (talk) 18:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. BilCat (talk) 19:30, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem with eswiki

message: A few aircraft, like the MQ-1 Predator, have their stabilizers below the fuselage instead of above it, would be great if we could get a mention of that, as well as potential advantages and disadvantages of that configuration?
There's a brief mention of it on the V-tail page, but it doesn't really go into the why's. Fisk0 (talk) 19:16, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could we get something on inverted stabilizers/V-tails?