Talk:Kenny G

message: Whatever mature adult decided to vandalize this page and repeatedly call Kenny G a "boring turd" should get off Wikipedia and expend a little more effort on getting his kindergarten GED. I'm not entitled to fix this vandalism, as some large chunks of information that I can't fill in seem to have been cut out (I don't know too much about Kenny G), so if anyone would like to restore Kenny G to his former glory, go right ahead. 62 Misfit (talk) 16:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Boring Turd Commentary

message: I found various dates quoted for his date of birth.  I added him to July 6 before I realised the confusion.  He's listed as being born on June 6 on 1956 in music (and some online sources), and I saw another couple of dates quoted elsewhere.  Does anyone have a reliable source?  fabiform | talk 19:43, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Logic dictates june 6th - making his birthdate a very appropriate 6/6/56 :)   I'm guessing his place of birth was actually Megiddo -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 02:41, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthdate

message: His bio doesn't say which saxophone he plays???
:Though I can't garuntee that this is all he plays on his albums, but he is mostly seen (I've only seen) playing a soprano sax. The photo of him on the article is of him holding an soprano sax. La Pizza11 01:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On some songs, he also plays alto and tenor. Andros 1337 16:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Which saxophone?

message: By definition, Kenny G is a smooth jazz saxophonist, not a pop saxophonist.  His music sounds nothing like pop music (i.e. Britney Spears).  You will NEVER find Kenny G in the pop section of a music store, he will always be found in the jazz section.  His main influence was Grover Washington Jr.  I am not going to get into the argument whether smooth jazz is a valid jazz genre or not, but to remain neutral, he should be classed as smooth jazz. Andros 1337 21:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that's quite accurate. A good deal of jazz is arranged, there is even :Category:Jazz music arrangers. Although usually arranged jazz basically means big band not solo work. The other point you make I would have to agree with, in that very little of his music seems to be based in any jazz tradition not even smooth jazz. It rarely "sounds like" jazz of any kind. (Although he's had a few songs I think are jazz, most being when he started out) I don't think I'm being a purist because Candy Dulfer and David Sanborn "sound" more jazzy to me. Granted I'm not trained in music so I can't explain what I mean by that. That said I don't think he's pop either. He usually sounds more like "Easy Listening" or "New Age" and those are the sections where I've seen him. Not that I ever bought any of his stuff, but I'll admit he had a few songs back in the early 90s I liked pretty well.--T. Anthony 11:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

text: FYI, I added a link to the article for the full text of Metheny's last comments on the jazz or not debate, Metheny changed his mind, sort of, while ripping Kenny a new one the size of a musical Grand Canyon.  Tvccs 08:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: See Ben Ratliff ref.  --Bob K31416 (talk) 18:44, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre dispute 

message: Please, especially discog.
DRUMMERS NAME?????
I need some help please in locating the drummers name in the band of Kenny G's first album Kenny G, I believe the last name is Alexander, but not sure if anyone can help me with this it would be greatly appreciated..email to iveri_ma@yahoo.com, thanks so much....
Cheap-ass drum machine. you're welcome.
-matrick  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.137.95 (talk) 21:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean Up

message: I think that the general jazz community would NOT consider Kenny G to be a jazz saxiphonist. Aside from a vast majority of jazz lovers (myself included) who think he is terrible, there are realistic aspects of his music (and I haven't heard all of it, so bear in mind I speak for a few tracks that I have listened, and the words of others) that allow him to NOT be placed in the realm of jazz.
--Gautam3 07:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This page already has a lot of debate on the subject, and I added some detail with support on disdain for Kenny G in various forums to the article. However, much as I hate to, I'm deferring to Metheny here, who I thought addressed the issue well in his 2000 comments linked here.  He explained why he went from the "not jazz" to "okay, most people think he is" position pretty well.  He also did a great job of articulating, from a very knowledgeable point of view, just how bad he thinks Kenny G is, jazz, or not.  Tvccs 08:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legitimacy 

message: Why does this article claim that the man who broke Kenny's record did so by farting?
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I didn't see anything regarding flatulence. I even did a search of the main page. Someone can delete this entire section labeled "Longest Note" when what I am saying is verified again.
--Gautam3 02:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longest Note 

message: I'm curious as to why Kenny G's whole discography, early life, criticism and see also sections were removed (and never replaced) back on the 25th September by an anonymous IP? Shouldn't these be reinstated? H4cksaw 15:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Large deletion in September? 

message: I've reintroduced a paragraph regarding this part of music history. It has plenty of useable references and I've also tried to keep it neutral. The topic was quite inflamed at the time and you'll see some of the references are more recent. The debate wasn't forgotten as the track was re-released. It is both a noteworthy moment of his career and noteworthy of modern recorded music in general.  - Steve3849 talk 09:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "What a Wonderful World" 

message: Is it true that he wrote the Mario music? Can we add more on that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickmanning214 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mario Music?" 

message: "Kenny G. Blows" as a reference to the Guinness Book of Records thing, which sounds pretty impossible... vandalism? -- Y not? 04:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the article title is Kenny G Blows, check out the reference. Nil Einne (talk) 16:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: Would be  nice to fix the birthdate of the kids instead of age whatever, which happens to change annually. Birthdate kind of stay the same, unless they became actors. :-) --grin ✎ 13:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kids age 

message: Going Home is even used by Chinese local governments, as its often played in 'public' parks (which are gated and ticketed often).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LlYiWbeK18
Is he the same man as weird al yankovich?
Certainly not.  For a start, there is neither a recording nor a verifiable claim of K.G. playing the banjo, or performing humorously satirical covers of popular songs... at least, not deliberately.  They do have something in common, though.  Despite not being virtuoso saxophonists, both do have curly hair.2600:1700:EA01:1090:5892:B30E:6D4E:2005 (talk) 02:49, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Going Home

message: In a performance first aired on 12/21/08 titled Kenny G: An Evening of Rhythm and Romance Kenny G demonstrated how he can play a continuous note almost indefinitely. He has the ability to inhale through his nose while playing a note on the sax with his mouth. In this performance he demonstrated this technique while he played a note for just less than one minute. During that 58 seconds he inhaled through his nose about 17 times with his nose next to a microphone so the inhaled breathes could be detected by the audience. Schlif (talk) 05:22, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The technique is called circular breathing where the player sustains a pitch by forcing the diaphram to "push" unused air outward after the air in the lungs is exhausted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.115.108.103 (talk) 19:38, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is called circular breathing, but your explanation makes no sense (and isn't "circular"). Circular breathing involves playing normally while also filling the cheeks with air. Then, when air in the lungs runs low, forcing air out of the mouth with the cheeks while inhaling through the nose. - SummerPhD (talk) 05:01, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Circular breathing is explained here.  It wasn't invented by nor is it unique to Kenny G. Jeisenberg (talk) 16:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kenny G explains how he can hold notes so long 

message: Seriously? That's the best we have? I know all about our image policies, but this is crap. - SummerPhD (talk) 05:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A few possibilities for comment: A, B, C. Obviously, we can crop/clean them up. Thoughts? - SummerPhD (talk) 05:11, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A is good because it shows his face and shows him in performance. B is a bad angle.  C shows a nice front view but it looks like it's posed at an event; in any case, A looks more like a "real" performance. Do you have the rights on those? Jeisenberg (talk) 16:56, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: I don't see any discussion here about the origin of his stage name.  It obviously ties to his first and last names, but that doesn't mean the stage name arose spontaneously out of those.  Is there any connection to "Daddy G," a name some attribute to composer and sax player Gene Barge (e.g., http://www.mp3lyrics.org/g/gary-us-bonds/quarter-to-three/).  However, per the Gene Barge article, the name Daddy G ties to the titles of two songs he wrote (and lyrics, for example in Quarter to Three, that refer to the sax player as "Daddy 'G'"), and a possible yet not entirely clear tie to Bishop "Daddy" Grace at a church that ties to Barge's group's name.  Anyway, the point here is whether there is any information on the origin of Kenny G's stage name. Jeisenberg (talk) 16:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stage Name 

message: Kenny G no longer holds the Guinness World Record for the longest saxophone note held.  Vann Burchfield holds that title.
Alex Yuwen (talk) 03:02, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. mabdul 20:38, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 7 April 2012 

message: Please add the following fact under the section "Personal life"
Kenny G's Height: 5'4"
Kenny G stated this fact to the audience on December 19, 2012 in Detroit Michigan at the Detroit Symphony Orchestra (DSO) hall. I was at this event, it was a full house
Michigangr (talk) 14:29, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. "I was there and I know it to be true" is not a reliable source; it is original research. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:59, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 20 December 2012 

message: , , , , , , , , , .  78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 18:56, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: These sources prove the opposite of your assertion. They all refer to Kenny G as a "Saxophonist"-which is what is in the article.   41.76.66.11 (talk) 12:59, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not positing that every source says Kenny G is "smooth jazz", although "saxophonist" is not a genre.  Fact is many reliable sources (not one, not two, but many, many, and what I presented was just a tiny fraction of sources identifying him as such) consider him, fair or not, correct or not, the seminal example of "smooth jazz", and it should therefore be included in the genre.  I don't believe it should be the only identifier, as many other sources identify him as "pop", which I am more personally in agreement with, but my personal opinions shouldn't matter, the sources should.  78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 13:21, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *Full disclosure* The preceding remarks from an IP address are mine. I had forgotten to log in when I wrote them. My apologies for that DanJazzy (talk) 13:52, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

text: It would appear that there are sources that are for and others against the motion at hand. This means we should consider which sources are more reliable for use in the article. Going by the lack of consensus in the previous discussion on the same issue, I suggest you consider other solutions using Wiki instruments; WP:THIRDOPINION WP:RSN WP:RFC DanJazzy (talk) 13:52, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a reasonable approach, but not a complete one.  First, the genre designation is mostly the opinion of the individual reviewer, and getting two independent-thinking music critics to completely agree would cause the world to end.  Second, I don't see the need to list just a single genre.  Since there are multiple multiples of reliable sources who describe him as "smooth jazz" or "adult contemporary" (pop) or to a lesser degree "easy listening", it is reasonable to list these in the genre field in the infobox.  Theoretically there may be a reliable source listing him as bluegrass (by way of absurd example), but there wouldn't be multiple reliable sources saying such, so it would therefore be reasonable to exclude the exception to the norm.  By the sources, the preponderance of genres he is listed as are those currently listed in the infobox, so it is my !vote (not that we're having one) to leave "smooth jazz" there.  What I think you could do, though, is create a section in the article body perhaps named "style" which dispassionately discusses the various views regarding his placement on the musical spectrum.  78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:37, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Smooth jazz definitely belongs in the infobox, because there are plenty of reliable sources that state Kenny G is a smooth jazz musician.  Whether or not smooth jazz is a valid jazz genre or not is a valid and active debate, but it isn't relevant to its inclusion or exclusion in the infobox, therefore I think it should stay. ANDROS1337TALK 15:04, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with this.  It's not like this is is undue emphasis or a fringe opinion.  Multiple, high quality sources have identified him thus.  We don't need unanimity in order to label something.  If there's a controversy, it can be sourced and discussed in the article.  It should not spill over into the infobox. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:12, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kenny G as "smooth jazz" - what sources say 

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message: In the Career section under 1990's, the last sentence of the first paragraph reads, "His music were also included in The Shadow, or Miracle on 34th Street." To make this more grammatically correct, the "were" should be changed to "was", and the "or" should be changed to "and". 
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message: Please add Kenny's Phi Beta Kappa membership to this article,http://articles.latimes.com/1990-09-07/entertainment/ca-908_1_kenny-gorelick
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thread_title:  Phi Beta Kappa Membership 

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message: Kenny G doesn't play the flute; he plays soprano, alto and tenor saxophones 2601:580:C180:22D0:44CC:7D37:C786:7E4D (talk) 23:31, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: M.Bitton (talk) 23:40, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted. He played flute in his first band, the Seattle funksters Cold, Bold & Together during the years 1975 and 1976. Binksternet (talk) 01:35, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2023 

message: "Critic Josef Woodard found Kenny G serving ‘a noble purpose by offering musicians a paradigm of what not to do’ in a JazzTimes poll in which, though, players such as Stan Kenton, Maynard Ferguson, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, and Ornette Coleman were characterized as ‘overrated’."
I wanted to rewrite this just because it's rather clunky and confusing but I decided to just say something here first. Who was the one taking part in the poll? It's a bit confusing as to whether Woodard was the one being polled or if Kenny G was taking part in a poll and Woodard was saying his response is an example of what not to do. (I read the article and yes, it was Woodard taking part in the poll, but I had a moment upon first reading that sentence when that wasn't entirely clear.)
The way "though" is used in the middle of that sentence, it seems to be setting it up to be followed by a contrasting statement that never comes. "Though", when used like this, reads like "on the one hand." Using "although" instead would clear that up.
Finally; although Kenton, Ferguson, Davis, Coltrane, and Coleman are mentioned in the article as "overrated", none of them were mentioned by Woodard. In fact, all five were listed as "overrated" by the next critic in the article, Jack Sohmer. The way it's written can lead one to think that came from Woodard. (This is one of those cases where I think grammarians are right to be warry about using the passive voice.)
Anyway, clunky, unclear, and thought it could use a rewrite. But what do others think? Beetfarm Louie (talk) 15:22, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism: JazzTimes Poll 

message: Remove "flute" as Kenny G doesn't play such an instrument. 2601:580:C100:7BD0:4973:FFC8:E409:3F44 (talk) 00:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: He played flute and sax in his first band, the Cold, Bold & Together during 1975–1976. Binksternet (talk) 00:33, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2023 

message: Kenny G doesn't play the flute. Please remove "flute", as he doesn't play one. 2601:580:C100:7BD0:E8E4:BB76:8B46:C17C (talk) 00:39, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: - see section above.  GoingBatty (talk) 16:56, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2023 

message: Remove "flute" in instruments 2601:580:C100:7BD0:ACF4:2F89:7647:AE7D (talk) 15:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: . Why would we remove flute? He joined Cold, Bold & Together as the flute/sax player in 1975. The  band released a single in 1976 that credits Kenny Gorelick with sax and flute. Binksternet (talk) 17:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2024