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Talk:Pyrrhichios

message: The article says that the dancers "fought with knives in circular dance to the sound of a lyra". It would be very interesting to know if there was a specific mode to be used. Greek philosophers like Plato or Aristoxenos (to name two differing approaches) were possibly the first ones to systematically describe scales as adequate for certain purposes, not at least martial ones (Phrygian and Dorian applying here).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.32.247.39 (talk) 18:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "... to the sound of a lyra": and in which mode/ scale? 

message: Source is missing. According to LSJ lexicon the term "pyrrichios" isn't mentioned at all in Homerus
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=purri%2Fxios&la=greek&can=purri%2Fxios0#lexicon  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsalatas (talk • contribs) 19:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homer refers to the Pyrrichios and describes how Achilles danced it around the burning funeral of Patroclus.  

message: Gibbon refers to the Pyrrhic dance as something performed by Roman soldiers as part of their off-duty drill. See volume 1 chapter 1 here: https://oll.libertyfund.org/title/gibbon-the-history-of-the-decline-and-fall-of-the-roman-empire-vol-1  Gibbon's only citation is a work by a contemporary of his, volume 35 of the Academie des Inscriptions. It may be a classic case of author A citing a phrase in author B's work, but not the wording of the text studied by author B. It could be a melding of ideas popular in academe in Gibbon's time. In any case, the question is did, or how did, the Romans adopt the Pyrrhic dance from the Greeks, if it happened at all.
100.15.127.199 (talk) 14:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I have two sources that post-date Gibbon, showing that he or his source misunderstood the Pyrrhic dance in a Roman context. From 1875 (nearly a century after Gibbon):  https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/e/roman/texts/secondary/smigra*/saltatio.html ;
From UPenn: https://www2.classics.upenn.edu/myth/php/tools/dictionary.php?method=did®exp=232&setcard=0&link=0&media=0
100.15.127.199 (talk) 14:46, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  needs a section on legacy
Talk:List of compositions by Guillaume de Machaut

message: Is the catalogue here actually prepared by Machaut or is it a later  work on the basis of the mentioned "... order in which ..."?217.159.182.51 11:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:List of compositions by Henry Purcell

message: Hi. I don't believe the Z numbers should be part of the section heading titles, for example instead of "Anthems [Z 1–65]" it should be "Anthems". As that is the scheme used on other composer composition list pages, does anyone mind if I change them here? GFHandel ♬  04:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections to returning to the previous format. They were  on 8 April 2011 by 46.115.0.63. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:42, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section heading titles
Talk:Macrones

message: Makrōnes means "tall people" in Greek. So the Greeks changed the real name of this people! Böri (talk) 14:13, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Makrōnes 

message: Strabo (xii.3.18) remarks, in passing, that the people formerly called Macrones bore in his day the name of Sanni, a claim supported also by Stephen of Byzantium, though Pliny speaks of the Sanni and Macrones as two distinct peoples. By the 6th century they were known as the Tzanni (Ancient Greek: Τζάννοι). / The Greek language has no "ch" sound so they used "s" or "tz" sounds...  see Laz people article: The Laz, Lazi (ლაზი) or Lazepe (ლაზეფე) in Laz, Lazlar in Turkish, Lazi (ლაზი) or Č’ani (ჭანი) in Georgian are an ethnic group native to the Black Sea coastal regions of Turkey and Georgia. One of the chief tribes of ancient kingdom of Colchis, / Laz people = Č’ani = Sanni /Tzanni / see also the name of Canik Region: Beyliks of Canik(but these beyliks were Turkish beyliks!) Böri (talk) 14:07, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laz people?
Talk:KEZJ-FM

message: I'm not quite sure how this article would be considered as an advertisement. I was only stating facts and am adhering to the guidelines of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio Stations where this article is similar to the thousands of other radio station articles. If this article is deleted, then we must delete all the radio station articles and perhaps the articles for profit organization like McDonalds, Walmart, and etc... (Transent 06:05, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I think page should be kept. According to the FCC's website, this is a real radio station. MonsterShouter 06:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hmm
Talk:List of compositions by Karol Szymanowski

message: I've been looking over the compositions list and I'm coming to the conclusion that it needs an overhaul. For example the list describes the Op. 15 Symphony Nº.1 as "1 mvt, lost", however Naxos has in it's recording list not one, but two recordings of the (2mvt) Op. 15 Symphony Nº.1 (Naxos 8.570722 & 8.553683). There may be other discrepancies that need investigation and resolving.Graham1973 (talk) 16:47, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Accuracy of information in Compositions List
Talk:List of compositions by Luciano Berio

message: There's a work by Berio that first appeared in a recording by London Sinfonietta Voices (Philips 446 094-2) as Canticum novissimi testamenti II. A later recording by Neue Vocalsolisten Stuttgart (Wergo WER 6678-2) gives the title simply as Canticum novissimi testamenti. These two recordings also disagree on the date of composition, Philips giving 1989–93 and Wergo giving 1989–91. I'm not sure which is correct, but the "official" Berio website linked seems to agree with Wergo. --Deskford (talk) 21:31, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, Osmond-Smith and Earle in Grove Online also agree that 1989–91 is correct.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 17:57, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Universal Edition seems to agree with that too (link). The composer's own note quoted on lucianoberio.org (link) gives the date simply as 1989, and includes "II" in the title. My guess is that this note was written before the 1991 revision and that Berio must have dropped the "II" from the title when he revised it, but I doubt I'll find a source to confirm this suspicion. --Deskford (talk) 18:35, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canticum novissimi testamenti (II) 
Talk:List of compositions by Michael Haydn

message: I'm confused. According to Sherman, Haydn's Opus 1 symphonies are "the symphonies in B-flat major, C major and D minor (Perger Nrs. 18 - 20), [which] came into being during a concentrated spell of symphony-writing between March and December of 1784 ... [and] they appeared in print from the Viennese publisher Artaria, bearing the title Tre Sinfonie dal Signore Michele Haydn Op. 1." Pergers 18 to 20 would be Sherman 27 to 29, but here we're saying they're Sherman 26 to 28 (excluding the D minor symphony and putting in an E-flat major symphony instead). Jindřichův Smith 18:39, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opus 1 Symphonies 

message: Shouldn't his Requiem in B flat be listed somewhere? Or am I missing something? At least, it is possible to buy this work as a CD... 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Haydn-JM-Requiem-flat-MH838/dp/B000GLKKEO/ref=sr_1_5/202-5159286-0652600?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1193840891&sr=8-5
(Requiem pro defuncto archiepiscopo Sigismundo is in C minor)
:You're not missing anything, we are. The list is incomplete, especially in regards to his choral music. I've only had time to go up to MH 100; the last number is somewhere past MH 800. Jindřichův Smith 22:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requiem in B flat 

message: Are you sure the Perger and MH numbers for the horn concerto are both the same? Horn of Plenty (talk) 21:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horn concerto 

message: Is there any information on this missing work?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.216.102 (talk) 03:43, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Perger-Verzeichnis states that its the overture to a cantata called "Der gute Hirt".DavidRF (talk) 04:03, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perger 8 

message: "All of Michael Haydn's symphonies have at least 2 oboes, 2 bassoons, 2 horns and strings (first and second violins, violas and basses, but no cellos)." 
According to this statement from Instrumental music/Symphonies, M. Haydn's symphonies do not employ cellos but do double basses. This is quite impossible for an early-mid classical era symphony composer. Even if he has one or two symphonies with double basses and no cellos (and even that would be quite surprising), it is impossible for him to have all his 41 symphonies without cellos.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caginn (talk • contribs) 01:55, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That statement was added on 3 June 2007 by User:Volunteer Sibelius Salesman who is no longer active. It may be correct, it may not be. As usual, we need a reputable source supporting it. Wikipedia's article on M. Haydn's Symphony No. 39 mentions cellos, but it's conceivable that the string section in his symphonies was written for violins I, II, violas, and double basses only. Without reputable sources, that statement should be marked with , and if none is provided, removed. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:04, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "No cellos" in orchestration?
Talk:Farlowella acus

message: The recommended size for the fish tank does not add up. A tank with a 60cm side is listed [ http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/tanks-uk.htm here] as holding only 16 or 19 US gallons (45 or 59 litres). To hold 35 US gallons it would have to be bigger than 60cm. Could anyone clear this up? Michael Glass (talk) 11:59, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tank sizes.
Talk:List of compositions by Robert Schumann

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Lotosblume
This song was part of schumanns mythern collection.  Should it be listed under it in this list?
125.236.182.178 (talk) 10:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sub works

message: I think the Mass for four part chorus and orchestra in this list is actually opus 147, not 148, and it is also called Missa Sacra. Please tell me here or on my talkpage if there is really another mass written in 1852 - in this case, Missa Sacra seems to be missing from the list. Or are there different catalogues giving different numbers?
The sources for my opinion about the opus nr:
*http://imslp.org/wiki/Messe_C-Minor%2C_Op._147_%28Schumann%2C_Robert%29
*http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_detail.html?item=3327351&cart=32883401412305234
and some other stores, I have been looking for the scores of this work lately.ML-Est 13:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is opus 147 (Daverio, "Robert Schumann: Herald of a New Poetic Age" (1997), p. 504, e.g.. Op. 148 is the Requiem.  The book can be viewed in excerpts at Google books. Schissel | Sound the Note! 14:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Opus nr of the 1852 Mass

message: In my research for Variations on "Là ci darem la mano" (Chopin), I came across a piano piece by Schumann I’d never heard of before, the Variations on a Nocturne by Chopin (the Nocturne was one in G minor, Op. 15/3).  It was only published in about 1981 as far as I can tell.  Has it been added to the formal catalogue of Schumann's works and given a WoO number?  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 10:41, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been recorded by Gregorio Nardi, it seems.  -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 22:44, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Variations on a Nocturne by Chopin

message: And here's information about the completion of a 4th Piano Sonata.  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 19:19, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: 4th Piano Sonata
Talk:List of compositions by Samuel Barber

message: Grove's Dictionary, 5th ed, 1954, says he wrote a 2nd String Quartet, Op, 27, in 1948.  But we're saying he only wrote one, and that Op. 27 is a vocal piece written in 1950-51.  What gives?  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 13:03, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: 2nd String Quartet?

message: here is a little more info on the complete list of piano works. I'm not sure of the standards you guys work with (eg how to handle childhood/student works?), so I'll let someone else update the page properly with the information, but note that there's definitely some opportunity to fill in more context (what's published posth.? what's a student work? also 3 essays seems mis-listed (as Essay III) and Aunt Mamie isn't listed at all) given what's here: https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/8926414 171.66.208.139 (talk) 07:17, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keyboard works
Talk:List of compositions by Sergei Taneyev

message: :tr:Sergey Taneyev'in eserleri listesi seems almost the same. Interlang-link? Schissel | Sound the Note! 15:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Talk:List of compositions by Vincent d'Indy

message: "A song after de Bonnières and Friedrich Schiller."
I am a little curious about who this Thécla may be.
Thekla is a character in Schiller's play Wallenstein which shortly hereafter becomes d'Indy's Op. 12. But there is also a poem, "Thekla: Eine Geisterstimme".
In neither case is St. Thecla involved. (Probably.) It is simply a Christian name.
And then there is Bonnières. Presumably we are setting a text based on Schiller's poem, and something from Bonnières.Varlaam (talk) 23:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Op. 10, ''Plainte de Thécla''
Talk:List of compositions by Witold Lutosławski

message: the titles of some of his scores use W. numbers-  e.g. "Les espaces du sommeil : for baritone and orchestra : [1975] : [W 91]" (), Symphony 4 ("Symphony no. 4 : [1988-1992] : [W 118]", ). From where these, and should we use them too? :) Schissel | Sound the Note! 12:55, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  catalog nos.? 

message: There is at least one piece missing from this list -- a sonata for solo accordion, which I have personally seen the manuscript for, in the library of the University of Oregon.
Given that one didn't make the list, have other works perhaps slipped through the cracks as well?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 22:37, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  complete list?
Talk:List of compositions by Giacinto Scelsi

message: At least two works are missing, the percussion trio and the newly discovered cello concerto written right after la nascita del verbo. I dont know what date they are, I think the cello concerto is from 1948 and the percussion trio is from 1950.
(I've added the Percussion trio, what a wierd piece anyway... ;-j )
--83.248.239.86 (talk) 20:21, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing works 

message: I have removed the asterisks indicating that a work had appeared on a recording in the United States, partly because the US is not of any particular relevance to this article, but also because many more recordings have been made since those asterisks were added. --Deskford (talk) 23:38, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asterisks
Talk:Membra Jesu Nostri

message: There appear to be sufficient reliable sources to justify giving Salve Mundi Salutare its own article.  Would there be any objections here?  I ask because the article is currently a redirect here.  Andrew327 — Preceding undated comment added 05:49, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, you are welcome, just check the links before you overwrite the redirect and change those that mean Buxtehude's work, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Salve Mundi Salutare have its own article? 

message: I added an infobox, it was reverted, I restored it back so that a meaningful discussion has a base, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:15, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox badly deforms the article, pushing the musical examples down, displacing the section headings and creating large swathes of whitespace (and some strange spacing within the box too). The information on "movements" is not clear and seems to contradict between different parts of the article. A different title for the text source is used in the box and the article body - a likely source of confusion, as is the differing notation between solos and choir. Actually, the inclusion of that distinction at all is problematic given that the articles says they may or may not be the same thing - much clearer to explain in text and not mislead readers. Same with instruments - listing reduces readability, much clearer to explain. "Comment" is also a very odd parameter to have - if there's no "dedication" field, better to leave it out, it's rather trivial anyways. Of course the most important fact in the lead cannot be included in the box, which makes it seem rather unhelpful as a quick survey anyways. There are a number of smaller issues, including inconsistent capitalization in the title, and of course the whole thing is unsourced, but so is the article - perhaps that would be something to improve before worrying about templates. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:34, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with this infobox — like so many others – is that you have to read the article to understand it. Instead of the box summarising the article, it's almost the other way round. So I think this article would be better without a box at all. --Kleinzach 01:58, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox
Talk:Cello Concerto No. 1 (Shostakovich)

message: I deleted Original Research because it is just a specific instance of More Citations Needed.
I deleted Citation Style because I found no obvious inconsistencies.
G41rn8 (talk) 22:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maintenance template deletions 

message: It's said that it is "derived from the DSCH motif", but how exactly? I twisted it around, transposed it, turned it upside-down and backwards but haven't been able to find out. The pitches are (if we stick to German notation) GFesCesB, and even one half-step higher, we get only the last two right: GisFCH. If transposed to D, we get DCesGesF, which doesn't work either. The intervallic structure is for the most part different. I'm sure there is a reason for calling it DSCH, but frankly, right now all I can see is myth-making... it should really be pointed out in the article how the notion that it is related to DSCH comes across... -- megA (talk) 12:04, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is the theme from the 1st movement related to DSCH? 
Talk:Cello Concerto No. 2 (Shostakovich)

message: Sometimes this concerto (the greatest of all of his, I think) is listed as being in G Major, but my score shows no key and I wonder if we should remove references to G Major? --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 11:52, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Key? 

message: When I first came to this article, I found a flimsy little thing that was very poorly done. Instead of writing my English essay, I was compelled to completely rewrite the descriptive section and some parts of the introduction. What a disgrace to such a brilliant concerto. Same problem with his C Minor Piano Concerto. Shostakovich was the greatest composer of the twentieth century, and "all" of his major works should have a healthy article. The other music contributors need to pay attention to the neglected places.
  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.109.7 (talk) 05:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Greatest composer of the 20th century? ERM. But can't disagree that this concerto should have a fine article though. Schissel | Sound the Note! 12:20, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Article
Talk:Festive Overture

message: I went to a performance with this piece a couple of days ago, and they said the lively mood of the piece was notable because it was written between Stalin's death and the invasion of Hungary by Khrushchev, during a period of optimism and hope for the Union. Is this notable enough for the article, and is there a citation for it? Swampfox1942 (talk) 22:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Extra Info?

message: There's no citation for such a claim which, true or not, seems to be very opinionated.
67.172.164.26 (talk) 17:04, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: A celebration of the death of Stalin?

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 13:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Festive Overture (Shostakovich) →  – Per WP:COMMONNAME. 112.204.203.83 (talk) 03:53, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Those titles don't have other meanings. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:15, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 9 May 2023
Talk:Piano Concerto No. 1 (Shostakovich)

message: Why and where does this article need additional citations for verification? What references does it need and how should they be added? Hyacinth (talk) 11:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional citations

message: Earlier today, I reverted an IP edit concerning Op. 35. Although the ref wasn't clearly cited, I eventually realized I had a sealed copy of it sitting among my stacks! I posted this explanation on the IP user's page, but figured it'd be helpful to have here too.
Nowhere in Hon-Lun Yang's Networking the Russian Diaspora: Russian Musicians and Musical Activities in Interwar Shanghai does it say that Itkis' Shanghai performance was the first played outside the USSR by a pianist other than the composer. It only states that the work was locally "introduced" by Itkis in 1936 (p. 111); a note later clarifies that the date was January 5 (p. 219). The first performance outside the USSR, in fact, occurred in the US on December 15, 1934; it was played by Eugene List, with the Philadelphia Orchestra conducted by Leopold Stokowski. List became identified with the concerto for a time and he regularly performed it on tour.
Generally, there was strong interest in Soviet music both in the West and in Japan during the 1930s. The music of Alexander Mosolov, Dmitri Kabalevsky, Gavriil Popov, et al were performed there, but Shostakovich was the best known and most frequently played of all. Shostakovich's Symphony No. 1 and suite from The Golden Age were popular works, as Otto Klemperer commented to the composer himself in 1936. Artur Rodziński's 1935 performance of Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk District in New York City was broadcast nationally in the US and made the composer something of a controversial celebrity in American music at the time. Yang's assertion that performances of Soviet music outside the USSR were rare at the time is incorrect. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shostakovich in Shanghai
Talk:Piano Trio No. 2 (Shostakovich)

message: There are dozens of recordings of this work, and it is not at all clear how the few listed in this article have been selected. Given Wikipedia's policy of supporting its articles with reliable secondary sources, I suggest that there should be at least some indication what sources endorse the selected recordings (e.g. Good CD Guide, Penguin Guide, BBC Music Magazine's Recording of the Month, etc.). I'll possibly get around to doing this myself, but would be glad if any other editor fancies taking this on. Alfietucker (talk) 09:53, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recordings
Talk:Song of the Forests

message: OK, is it:
*Song of the Forest
*Song of the Forests
*The Song of the Forest
*The Song of the Forests
*any/all of the above?
This article should clarify that, and (A) be consistent throughout the text, (B) list other common English transliterations, and (C) have the title of this article match the bolded title of the lede. Softlavender (talk) 06:21, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  English title (and also the title of this wiki article)