Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Archive 8

message: I've noticed the Newsarama website still doesn't have an article. Newsarama is one of the most informative websites about comics, and it has an Alexa ranking of 6,494 , so it should qualify for notability. However, I did find Talk @ Newsarama in the Wikipedia, talking about the Newsarama forum, of all things. It was created in August and has somehow survived this long with an AFD nomination. --Pc13 00:23, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I honestly think that you could be lighting the fuse on a rocket of chaos here. Soon the Wiki would explode with stub articles on insignificant webistes. The fallout would be tremendous. --Jamdav86 19:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do hope you are not referring to Newsarama as being insignificant. It is thé best comic-news-site around. Together with ComicsContinuum, the Pulse, Silverbulletcomicbooks and ComicBookResources you have the best coverage available!! --boomvavavoom 11:45, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Newsarama

message: Currently IDW Publishing redirects to List of current IDW Publishing publications, which is not only a bad idea, but the article itself is a mess. Nothing links there, it's disorganized, and it's out of date. Can somebody move the article to IDW Publishing and then tidy it up? -leigh (φθόγγος) 17:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[IDW Publishing]]

message: There's been some discussion at User talk:Badbilltucker about the addition of comics award information, and I thought this might be a better place to talk about it.
Badbilltucker has undertaken a massive project to add information from a number of references, especially the Comic Book Awards Almanac. This has raised several questions (at least for me), mainly:
* Does it make sense to add an external link to the Comic Book Awards Almanac site to every article that includes such information? See for instance Richard Corben, and virtually all of Badbilltucker's other contributions. Note that these aren't individualized links to authors' pages on the Almanac (as we do with the Internet Movie Database), just links to the entire site. This seems particularly redundant to me in cases like Corben, where there are already wikilinks to the specific awards.
* Is it good to add stubs for authors and titles that include no information except an award, or a nomination for an award? See Brat Pack (comics) (which originally didn't even include the author's name).
* Should nominations even be mentioned? The number of award nominees, especially when you include Internet awards like the Squiddies, is huge and I'm not sure how notable these are.
My opinions about these are probably obvious from the way I asked the questions, but I really do want to see what others think. ←Hob 20:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I was noticing these edits but had been letting them fly under the radar.  I personally have never considered the squiddies as notable enough for inclusion here.  I'm also unsure of the position with regards to the links to the site.  I would think that the link should be to the exact page that contains the information, and that if other references are already cited, then no link is needed.  With regards nominations, I wouldn't list them all if there are multiple nominations or the person has won an award, we list all the nominations on the awards pages, so it'd perhaps be just as well to link to that and list only awards won.  If no awards had been won I would list the first nomination fully and link to other awards pages raqther than list all awards.  All off the top of my head, mind. Hiding  talk 20:38, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  award listings & links 

message: The articles contributed by  look suspiciously like fanfic or some unpublished non-notable stuff. I can't verify them with a quick Google search, which is odd for pop cultural topics. Some of his contributions are:
*The Silencer
*The Silencer(comics)
*Amputron
*Cytilus
The articles claim Edwin Jobling and Kieran Murphy as creators of these comics characters, but I don't really find anything on those either (there is a medical professor Kieran Murphy and a guitar player by the same name who get the top hits).
Not a thorough search but enough to awake suspicion. However, there may be stuff I am unaware of. u p p l a n d 15:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Doing a Google of Kieran Murphy comics informs that he is an Irish comics writer, so it might be legit.  However, if that's the case, these are small, small indie comics (pretty much self-pubbed), and I don't know if they pass any noteworthiness otherwise.--Mitsukai 15:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

text: <S>The only trace of "Silent Comics" I can find is a small house called "A Silent Comics". The house only seemed to publich one title, Arsenic Lullaby (which  doesn't have anyone by the name of Murphy or Jobling). It could be a smaller house though.--Toffile 16:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, didn't see Mitsukai. Should we consider speedying?--Toffile 16:02, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think we should.--Mitsukai 16:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't find non-notability on the speedy criteria, I'll just lump them together for AfD instead.--Toffile 16:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Wait to put the category for CfD until the AfDs finish. It will be a speedy then.--Toffile 16:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I placed the cat as a CFD due to the fact that should the articles stand for some reason, they still aren't notable or numerous enough to warrant their own category.  It's a pointless cat in any case, so one way or another, it can be killed.--Mitsukai 16:40, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this fanfiction or something?

message: I'm noticing a lot of Marvel characters' descriptions being listed as "Depowered" on the basis of the Wizard magazine list, but the list in question is badly faulty since it includes non-mutants and a couple of characters who are already confirmed as non-depowered. If you're reading this, please do NOT alter characters' entries based solely on that list - SoM 21:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wizard [[Decimation (comics)|Decimation]] list 

message: Another problem with comic book article images, also illustrated by Quicksilver's article—it's billed as a comic book cover, yet the image bears none of the identifying incidents of an actual cover—the things such as the series title, issue number box, bar code, etc. that identify the product.  That artwork may have in fact been used on the cover of a comic book, but if we're not using the cover itself then we can't claim the same fair use rationale.  Postdlf 00:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a solicitation (i.e. ) image. This has come up before here (not the specific image, that said), and the discussion is probably in one of the archives. - SoM 01:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That may be, but then the Quicksilver image (and many others like it) need to be retagged as "promotional" rather than as comic book covers.  Postdlf 06:51, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use of "covers"

message: MSK insists on putting Ivy's status at "Active" as opposed to "Uncertain, possibly deceased" (which she is currently, in the comics), because in the other forms of media (ie cartoons) she's still alive (Newsflash: Comics aren't more important than anything else. Alive and well in cartoons and films....Well, the article shouldn't be biased towards comics: That's just because of the large amount of geeks on wikipedia that leads to bias.) --DrBat 12:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  DrBat, you are, of course, in the right. Ivy's movie and TV appearances should be relegated to the Other Media section anyways... oh look, they are :) rst20xx 00:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm referring to the SHB box; she's not currently active in the comics continuity. --DrBat 04:03, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know you are. rst20xx 12:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistress Selina Kyle and [[Poison Ivy]] 

message: I've noticed there are categories for Dark Horse Comics and Dark Horse titles. I don't see a reason for these competing categories to exist, and believe the latter should be merged into the former. Pc13 10:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The former is a proper parent for the latter, which should probably be renamed to "Dark Horse Comics titles."  Many of the entries in :Category:Dark Horse Comics should go in that subcategory; an additional subcategory for :Category:Dark Horse Comics characters may also be appropriate.  Postdlf 00:03, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I thought about that possibility and I can certain agree with its validity. However, apart from the main Dark Horse Comics article, and the creation of an article on DHC founder Mike Richardson, I don't see what else could go there. So we'd have a category with two articles only plus two subcategories. Pc13 08:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That may be so but I'd agree with Postdlf that that would be the correct way to do things anyway. rst20xx 12:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicate categories 

message: Does anybody know where I can information on this character?  I'm trying to write a wiki article, but I can't find any sites with info about him.--KrossTalk 02:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, found a wiki with information.--KrossTalk 02:42, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article needs to be rewritten so that it isn't merely a paraphrase of his Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe entry...  As a Wikipedia article, it needs to describe him as he's appeared in the real world—in terms of who created him, when, where, and (if known) why, and in real-world chronological sequence, how he has been depicted and what has been depicted about him.  Context, please.  Postdlf 23:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Radioactive Man (Marvel Comics)]] 

message: I just noticed a page called "list of comicbooks" and I noticed Vampirella and Harris not being mentioned. So I am sure this list is not being maintained. Is this list a focus of this WikiProject Comics group? --boomvavavoom 11:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, List of comic books does contain Vampirella and Harris Comics. Pc13 13:05, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vampirella 

message: Over at Talk:Maxiseries there is a bit of a debate going as to what a maxiseries is exactly. More precisely, Dyslexic agnostic believes that Identity/Infinite Crisis are maxiseries, while I and Lesfer do not. Dyslexic agnostic argues that due to the large impact of the two series they are "maxi", but I argue that they are not because 1. large impact or not they are two short and 2. most importantly I think that maxiseries should be self-contained (i.e. without tie-ins to loads of ongoing books). In addition to this, the recent run of Seven Soldiers miniseries further confuse the debate as to what constitutes a maxiseries. 
I would value any opinions any of you would care to give at Talk:Maxiseries. Thanks, rst20xx 23:00, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What constitutes a [[Limited series (comics)|Maxiseries]] 

message: I just found these articles. Could some comics expert take a long at this? Is this notable? I couldn't find the word "cimage book" at all on google. "Ecru: the Butcher of Balis" "Particle9 Productions" "Cimage book" Garion96 (talk) 00:13, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is all advertising.  Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Particle9 Productions.  Postdlf 04:16, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I thought as much, but I thought I'd first check it here before putting it on AFD. Tnx for saving me the work. :) Garion96 (talk) 12:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Experts needed

message: An idea just came to mind: A barnstar specifically for editors of comic articles.  Might be a nice bit of encouragement to get an award for working hard on articles.  That, and there are editors who deserve one. :)--Kross | Talk 23:42, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're just angling for one yourself, aren't you? --Jamdav86 19:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really.  But we do need some sort of award to give to people for making great contributions to the comic articles.  DoctorWorm7, for example, has done alot.  He added a ton of info to the Rann article and practically wrote the one on Kangaroo (comics).--KrossTalk 19:01, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have proposed such a barnstar at Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals#Comics barnstar.  I hope people will express an opinion. ~I tried to keep the image simple and give it a comicy appeal. Hiding  talk 22:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, the comics star is available for users to award to people who have made significant contributions to comics related articles.  Details at WP:PUA or WP:COMIC. Hiding  talk 20:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comic book barnstar? 

message: Clearly, this is an unsoliciated opinion.  However, it seems to me that if a series, character, or creator has their own individual "page" deleted, it might be useful to put the essential "skeleton" data on that entity into a master list, say, for example, the list of DC Comics titles, if it were to qualify there.  This would make it less likely that people would think that the title has been overlooked, and would provide at least the essential data on the entry. The Bibliography of Batman titles I think would serve as a good example of how this might be done.  Badbilltucker 23:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's how it's supposed to be done, as per WP:FICTION.  The pages shouldn't be deleted, they should be redirected.  What pages have been deleted, do you have any examples?  Hiding  talk 23:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

text: No specific examples, as I haven't seen any.  I thought I had created a stub for Paul Fung, but there is no record of it.  As all he ever did was the Blondie comic book for forty years, I thought it may have been deleted, but evidently I never created it.  But, for instances like his, simple inclusion on the name list or maybe awards list if he's not on the name list might not be a bad idea.  I'll probably try to do some of that myself as soon as I get all the awards in.  Badbilltucker 01:12, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listings on Minor Characters, Series, Creators, etc.

message: Are Elseworlds info supposed to be in the SHB?
Personally I think it shouldn't. What if people decide to enter data about every single version of some character? I think only official data (valid/current/main continuity) should be presented in SHB. No elseworlds continuity, no Animated continuity. Lesfer 04:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If by info box you mean the SuperHeroBox, yep. So, how do we make it official? Are we supposed to discuss the matter in order to reach a consensus among a significant number of WikiProject Comics' participants? Lesfer 03:46, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concurr with ZZ. But of course, it would be unnecesary and excessive to list every single version of, for example, Cyclops's family in his superhero box. The box would be ridiculously long if we had to list everyone from every single obscure "What if?/Elseworlds" story set in a universe exactly like the mainstream one, with the same versions of characters, until they're lives are affected by something like the following: "What if...Beast's fur was indigo instead of dark blue?". But just because it's easy to go overboard doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do everything moderately, because if we couldn't put Elseworlds or alternate futures in superhero boxes, then we wouldn't be able to list important characters like Rachel Summers or X-Man...and I'm sure as hell we all agree they are important enough to the mainstream version of Cyclops to be included. Even Cable, Cyclop's only son from "true" continuity comes from a future which could understandably still not happen as we've seen it. As many have said before, there's several out-of-continuity characters famous enough to be included in the SHBs. They're not responsible for the bad retcons that don't allow them to be "real". For all a guy who hasn't picked up a comic book since 1984 knows, there's a Batman out there who's happily married and has a beatiful daughter. 
P.S.: If you wanna take a look at a REALLY messed up superhero box, check John Constantine.
--Ace ETP 06:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think elseworlds and animated info only make the SHB confusing and full of text. The SHB is supposed to be clean, sharp, straight to the point. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, therefore is on the reach of every and any one. Although we - comics readers - are the ones building the comics related articles, we've got to have in mind that we are not building these articles for ourselves, it is not made exclusively for comics readers, but for non-readers as well. Multiple info from different sources (continuities) are extremely confusing for non-readers. This is why I support what really matters, the real deal, which is mainstream continuity only in the SHB. Lesfer 16:28, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree in principle that we need to write these articles for everyone, comics fans and outsiders alike. But consider: Someone unfamiliar with comics hears that Batman had a son in a book someone read. He becomes curious. Where will he look for that information in the Wikipedia? Probably under relatives of Batman. It might lengthen the SHB a little, but the information is there and easy to find. That should be the intent of the encyclopedia - clear information, logically arranged. So long as the out-of-continuity characters are clearly noted as such, and so long as such references are limited to significant characters, I think the addition of such references would improve the article, not detract. ZZ 17:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, following this line, what if someone hears that Batman has a power ring in a comic book someone read? Are we supposed to add "power ring" in power field? This is why it is called elseworld. This is why we say what if. These are facts not present in the main continuity, these are unreal facts about the character. These kind of info are not supposed to be in the SHB, but in the body of the article itself, in a special section. Lesfer 20:37, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But the box doesn't say "Mainstream continuity relatives". It says "Notable relatives". Popular characters from alternate worlds like Ibn al Xu'ffasch and Rachel Summers deserve in this instance a different treatment, since they're notable, and not obscure like the Power Ring story you just mentioned. And no Elseworld is unreal. They are simply alternate, and if we mention that fact, then a few notable relatives from outside mainstream continuity can appear in the boxes. --Ace ETP 21:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Popular characters from alternate worlds?? Please... how many times Al Xu'ffasch has appeared in a non-elseworld comic book? Rachel Summers, on the other hand, has several appearances in mainstream continuity. In fact she has joined mainstream continuity, just as Cable and Bishop. Characters like Al Xu'ffasch and animated ones are not part of official continuity. This is very confusing for non-readers. Lesfer 15:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But Al Xu'ffasch has appeared in at least one story in which he travelled into the main continuity from outside of it, much like Rachel Summers did. Just because she stayed there doesn't change the fact she's from an alternate universe (and since Bishop's future won't come to pass EXACTLY the way it did when he left it, he's from an alternate universe too, as Cable may turn out too be in some time). By the way, the story in which Al Xu'ffasch was conceived (and born) is part of the mainstream continuity. Talia having a real miscarriage rather than a faked one (so she could secretly put the baby up for adoption) was a retcon introduced a little bit later. Therefore, for a short while, Al Xu'ffasch was part of mainstream continuity, until he got screwed by the DC Gods, much like Helena Wayne, who belongs somewhere which can't be considered an Elseworld. I'll agree information from cartoons is a touchy subject (though they do have comic books exploring their continuity), but can't we tolerate a few things from the more well-known Elseworlds if we make it clear they only belong there? Even if Al Xu'ffasch is a bit obscure, Kingdom Come is certainly much more popular than those stories in which seemingly everyone gets a power ring (even Superman. Why the hell would he need one?) --Ace ETP 21:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Some time ago DC Comics stated that Son of the Demon is no longer part of mainstream continuity. Lesfer 01:31, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Elseworlds

message: There's a short straw poll opened at Talk:List of limited series#Building consensus to try and build consensus on the popularity, definitions and usage of the phrases "Mini-series", "Maxi-series" and "Limited series".  Appreciate it if you can all share your thoughts. Hiding  talk 15:01, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Straw poll 

message: I stumbled across the following articles at Wikipedia:Shortpages.  Anyone know a bit more than me who can clean them up or expand them?
* Age of Reptiles (comics)
* Monolith (DC Comics)
* 21 (comics)
* Shape (comics)
Thanks for any help you can offer, Hiding  talk 21:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup required 

message: I've suggested that the current definition of a limited series be changed so as to include series like Y: The Last Man where the writer anounced that the series would have a limited run after it had begun. I'd appreciate if you could share your thoughts on this subject at Talk:List of limited series#Y, Ex Machina and the current definition of limited series
Cheers, 
Iron Ghost 00:26, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the definition of a limited series be changed? 

message: Please join the discussion here, to help decide the correct naming for the Direct market article.  Thanks ike9898 21:54, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  naming of 'direct market' article 

message: User:GodzillaWax -- whom, for full discloure, I've asked Administrators to block from the Daredevil page for his wholesale reversions, fancruft, and flame-throwing -- says of Jack Kirby in the context that follows, "Marvel does not recognize him as a creator, so neither should wikipedia". 
The context is whether Kirby helped create Daredevil with Stan Lee and Bill Everett. A footnote I placed on the Daredevil page, with the link to the cited source gives hsitorian Mark Evanier's upshot after speaking personally with Kirby and Everett. Leaving aside what those first-person sources said, User:GodzillaWax simply responded with the above, and latter justified this with "Marvel owns Daredevil" .
Here's the thing:  Marvel did not credit Steve Ditko as Spider-Man's co-creator for decades, until the first Raimi movie. Joe Simon had to battle Marvel for decades to get credit for co-creating Captain America. In both cases -- and in many that never reach such public scrutiny -- Marvel (and DC, etc.) may say someone is not a creator, but I feelt that doesn't make it a fact. And I don't believe "Marvel owns the character" has any bearing on who created it. The recent Gerard Jones book on the hsitory of comics, for instance, gives plenty of examples of companies denying creators credits.
"Marvel does not recognize him as a creator, so neither should wikipedia."  That to me is like saying (as the tobacco companies did for years), "RJ Reynolds does not not recognize smoking causes cancer, so neither should wikipedia." There's a basic issue here: Corporations can claim anythng they want, but that doesn't make it true. 
The issue of creator credits is a central point of many creative fields, not just comics, of course. In terms of the Wiki Comics Project, should we state only what Marvel states in such cases, and, as GodzillaWax did, delete Kirby's name where Marvel doesn't specifically give him a creator credit? -- Tenebrae 21:22, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That "Marvel owns" a character is irrelevant to what happened historically.  Marvel has the total power to decide what it will publish, but it is just one of many sources of information as to what it has already published.  I don't know if normally we can presume that the "official" creator credits are correct, but whenever there is documented evidence to the contrary, we have an obligation to acknowledge that and deal with it appropriately.  This may come down to setting forth the varying versions, or if one account is of little credibility, dropping it into a footnote with an explanation as to why it is dubious.  Postdlf 06:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, nice to see you exercising more character assassination Tenebrae.  No one has done more to help the DD entry than me, so keep your insults in check.  Secondly, the article Tenebrae lists concludes with a 'we may never know what happened' sentence.  If the writer of the article can't come to a conclusive verdict, then how is anyone else?  Lastly, it is not up for us to decide who gets creator credits.  Lets say Kirby did sketch a loose design of the character which contributed to Everetts design - how then is Wally Wood not a more significant creator than Kirby?  The red DD costume is completely different than the yellow and black - the only common elements it has are the horns (the double D wasnt present in DD #1 and so cannot be attributed to Kirby)
GodzillaWax 18:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Footnote's fine w/me. I disagree with GodzillaWax's assertion that "No one has done more to help the DD entry than" himself. In point of fact, many individuals have contributed factual, usable, NPOV material, and braggadocio does them a disservice. Regardless: We'll all good with the noted information. — Tenebrae 17:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kirby and other Kreator Kredits

message: Well, here's an odd question, and I'm sure I'll get flamed for it - has anyone thought of adding information the weird storyline where Frank Castle kills himself and is turned into an agent of God to Punisher? He gets imbued with mystical powers and his origin is tied to that of a demon, or somesuch. It's definitely not a very good story... and obviously not canon, but was likely planned as a revamp of the character (which was pretty much unacceptable). If not, I can dig up some of the issues I got which mention that, and add an entry. I want to, but I don't know if I should make it as a separate article due to the fact that the story is definitely not canon, and would probably benefit from being separate. Any thoughts? Kitsune Sniper / David Silva 05:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What does "canon" matter on Wikipedia?  The stories were published or they weren't, and they involved the Punisher or they didn't.  Separate it under a separate header if appropriate, but worry about documenting the publication history of the character, not what Marvel (or fans) currently says is "true" about the character.  Postdlf 06:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but you know how rabid fanboys can get when someone messes with their favorite character. I've been a Punisher fan for nearly twenty years, and I don't hate that particular storyline, although I do find it rather dumb and pointless. I don't think it should be forgotten, but instead it should be remembered as something that simply did not work out (like Superman Red/Blue, which wasn't that bad, but really didn't showcase the character we all know and love). *shrugs* I'll see if I can get to that later this weekend. Kitsune Sniper / David Silva 04:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it was a rather self-contained storyline, then maybe putting it under its own sub-header would be appropriate.  But we really need to push more away from what is "official" or "canon" in articles about fictional characters and just focus on when, how and why a character was depicted in whatever media.  Postdlf 00:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding to The Punisher's history 

message: Could you someone take a look at Booklets. it used to be a redirect before someone made it into an article. It seems...well..weird anyway. But just to be sure, I thought I would check it out here. Garion96 (talk) 19:20, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's vanity, see this google search - , I get two English language hits, one of which is the entry itself, the other a webforum called Proudhug, notably the user name of the user who added th einformation. I've reverted it to a redirect. Hiding  talk 21:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's what I thought indeed. Just checked here to be sure. Tnx. Garion96 (talk) 22:06, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Again an expert needed 

message: -I posted a link to this entry into the Cyberpathy talk page, which for some reason not a single person responded to. So now here's the whole thing on this talk page, enjoy.-
I understand that in many other forms of fiction, cyberpathy means to "Psionically interact with computers/machines".I think a more accurate term for that said definition in Marvel would be "Technopathy". So, I think we could either: 1)Rewrite the article name as "Technopathy" and Possibly intergrate "Cyberpathy" into the Eidetic memory article mentioning that Sage's cyberpathy is a superhuman version of EM or 2)Rewrite the search so that both "Cyberpathy" and "Technopathy" redirect here but rename the article "Technopathy" as well, and mention that the terms are usually somewhat interchangable but there is a distinction when the term "Cyberpathy" is applied to Sage(and possibly the rest of the MU).It's been shown that Claremont's (and thus Marvel's) definition of Cyberpathy strictly means "Computer-Like Mind". Which entails these abilities as seen directly in the comic:
-Understand and catalogue genetic information from her scanning ability
-Record everything she thinks and perceives with perfect clarity
-Summon any of her stored data at will for
*Total Recall= The ability of superhuman (or   significantly above average) memory
*Kinetic Memory= Also called "Photographic Relflexes", the ability to imitate any action perfectly as observed or performed previously
-Run multiple simultaneous thought processes and interact with computer mainframes at an equal-or-greater rate of computing (The administrator of UncannyXMen.net that wrote the description specifically states that the so-called "interaction" is is purely physical[typing, etc.], or also simply processing what appears on screens as fast as a computer, and is not psionic in nature)
    
-Perform highly accurate analyses of her surroundings, enabling her to anticipate and counter physical attacks on reflex or concoct elaborate conclusions and strategies with great speed
--This power description comes from UncannyX-Men.net which isn't official, but all information is taken directly from the comics and other canon sources. The site is incredibly reliable and in many cases more accurate than Marvel's own official site.
Also there are instances when other members of the X-Men that posses no psionic ablilities interact mentally with the cyber-glasses (Bishop in Uncanny X-Men #460). It is implied that the hardware/software that Sage uses for the glasses is simply calibrated to interpret *any* brainwave patterns (Similar to the way a previous visor used by Cyclops that was triggered to open on mental command. It should be noted that the current visor Cyclops uses is possibly triggered by a mechanism in his glove). The only instance when she psionically interfaces with hardware is when the Fury's nanites take control of her mind, which doesn't count because it is an outside source. (Uncanny X-Men #446)
Obviously these are pretty big changes, so I would like to know what the WikiComic community thinks. 
Arcanum7
:Everyone gets ignored sometimes. No-one decided to discuss my brill succession box idea. On topic, I suggest that you be bold and make these changes. If someone objects, then you probably should make the page/s Cyberpathy (comics)/Technopathy (comics). Happy editing! --Jamdav86 16:43, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well, Since everyone decided to ignore me the first time... 

message: Marc Bryant has mainly been edited by Marc himself, and by anon IPs that are mainly interested in Marc Bryant. I'm not an expert on comics, so I'd appreciate it if someone could determine if Marc is notable, or whether this is merely advertising. Thanks, Andjam 00:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if he worked for Image, that's somewhat notable, and Speakeasy is supposedly one of the up-and-coming new companies.  Regardless of that, I'd take anything written on that article with a grain of salt, not to mention that for a Wiki article, it's edited rather badly, so I put the :Category:Wikipedian autobiography cat on there so someone can keep an eye out for blatant POV.--み使い Mitsukai 01:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's on the right side, I'd say.  I turned up a review of one of his works at artbomb, I'll see if he's been mentioned in the journal.  I've cleaned out the external links section and the article needs a decent rewrite, but I think the published works are enough to denote notability. Hiding  talk 11:50, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability question re Marc Bryant