Talk:Anointing of the sick

message: Can't nun administer this sacrement (& Apolistic Pardon) in an emergency? (Alphaboi867 20:10, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no such thing in the Roman Catholic church as an extraordinary minister for Anointing of the Sick. Only a priest or a bishop may administer the sacrament. 68.81.94.170 19:36, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: Apostolic pardon and annointing are two things that are different.  The first, while it can be given during the Annointing of the Sick, is reserved to those near death and is an indulgence for purgatory.  Annointing of the Sick, the Sacrament, is only given by a priest as it involves the care of souls (stict sense) and remits sin.  Both actions are reserved to clergy, the second being reserved to priests.  Therefore, a nun cannot validly administer the sacament under any circumstances.Davescj 21:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nuns 

message: First, this incorporates text copied verbatim from the Catholic Encyclopedia.  If you do that, you have to put the  tag in the article.  See: Wikipedia:Using Catholic Encyclopedia material.
Second, some of the information presented there on Greek terms is not entirely correct.  You have to distinguish between actual Greek ecclesiastical usage and Greek-derived Latinate vocabulary, in which there are often expansions and contractions of meaning.  I did a Google search in Greek, and it came up with some Greek documents that use chrisma to refer to chrismation, not the anointing of the sick.  I took some of the terms out until I can consult some of my Greek Orthodox literature and be sure they are warranted for inclusion in this article. --Jpbrenna 05:56, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A couple of things... 

message: The source of the biblical translation needs to be cited. The translation of πρεσβυτέρους to "elders" does not coincide with the tradition of the Church surrounding the minister of the sacrament. Not that the translation of πρεσβυτέρους as elders isn't a valid POV; it just needs to be addressed. Perhaps the Greek text should be included here with a public domain translation (Douay-Rheims, etc.). Latter-day translations could possibly be quoted under fair use. --Mm35173 16:58, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Were you just wanting to mention that the word "presbyters" is understood to mean "priests" in Roman Catholic and Orthodox type churches? Wesley 04:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biblical Reference 

message: Could someone please help out with proper descriptions for the external links, per WP:EL and WP:SPAM.  Thanks. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 20:08, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If they are correct or complete or what? Dominick (TALK) 20:09, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Old topic I know, but I added the LSD link back as a reference, as the info was uncited. --Mkow88 (talk) 07:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: I'd challenge the assertion that a minority of Anglicans regard anointing of the sick as sacramental, while admitting that it's fairly difficult these days to determine what constitutes either a majority or a minority of Anglicans.
Furthermore, Article XXV in the Thirty Nine Articles of Religion of 1562 (one of the first and basic faith statements of Anglicanism) explicitly states that Extreme Unction is considered a sacrament. Jason M. Smith 06:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "minority of Anglicans" 

message: I removed the following sentence: "The 2004 dictionary of the Greek language by George D. Babiniotis () states that the sacrament 'is customary in cases of sickness or when someone thinks he is having ill luck.'" With all due respect to Mr. Babinotis, the Orthodox Church does not teach that there is such a thing as "luck". Certainly superstitions abound in Greece, as in many other ancient cultures, but reference to heretical ideas should not be invoked in defining a Sacrament of the Church. MishaPan 22:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No "luck" involved 

message: I have felt obliged to undo Sesmith's change of the title, which would give a wrong impression of the contents. The article is about the rite known as Anointing of the Sick, not about just any anointing of the sick carried out perhaps for medicinal purposes.  In other words, not every "anointing of the sick" is "the ritual anointing, practised in many Christian Churches, of a sick person."  Lima 12:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to suggest changing the name of this article to "Unction" since in a number of churches, particularly Eastern churches, the sacrament is not reserved only for those who are physically ill. Since the scope of the article covers both the ministration to the sick as well as those not physically ill, it would seem that "Unction" would be more appropriate. Any input? MishaPan 19:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with such a move for the reason you provide. -SESmith 23:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Unction" or is not specific enough.  Even "Unction (religious rite)" would not be specific enough.  Chrismation is also a religious anointing or unction.  Unction with oil is part of several other distinct religious rites that this article is not about.  Even in the Roman rite of the blessing of a church there is anointing.  The Eastern Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church certainly do not call the rite merely "Unction".  I wonder how many, if any, minor groups do. If this rite has nothing to do with the sick, how justify quoting James 5:14-15, Matthew 10:8, Luke 10:8-9 and Mark 6:13 in its regard?  The Latin Church restricts the sacrament to those who are seriously ill, and in the past it restricted it to those who were not just seriously ill but in actual danger of death.  (Did MishaPan perhaps mean to write "seriously ill", not "physically ill"?)  Other Churches do not restrict use of the rite to serious illness, but that does not mean that they suppose the rite has nothing to do with illness of any kind, since they too quote James 5:14-15 in its regard.  Lima 04:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of article 

message: I did a lot of work on the Catholic main article and will be doing some syncing of the sections.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkow88 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syncing Catholic Section