Talk:Body image

message: Areas of editing: 1.) Add an area on  Body Dysmorphic Disorder (BDD) 2.) Add an area on body dissatisfaction 3.) Elaborate on eating disorders Sbeau7 (talk) 13:29, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Improving this Article

message: The writing needs to be completely redone, with all of the "his or her" and "their" references. I don't feel I am capable of the complete rewrite that is needed. If no one else can do it, I can try, but I am not the best one to try. I guess I'll watch and try some drafts off-line in the mean time.
Fixed formatting. I totally agree with you on this one: it's a nightmare. I'll see what I can do. Inb4 (talk) 16:48, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar and Language of the main paragraphs

message: The "Body image and weight" section is poorly done at the very least. I'm not sure why the writer thought it was appropriate to assume that all people classified as overweight "should" lose weight, or perhaps less controversially, to assume that the population of people who think they need to lose weight is neatly contained within that of people classified as overweight. There's a lot of serious medical evidence contradicting the first assertion and the second simply seems to fly in the face of common sense.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.27.53 (talk) 04:20, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Tone and assertions

message: The article makes assertions about women's consciousness regarding weight.
This is appropriate for some women.  Some are too concerned about body weight.  On the other hand, many women (and of course men) are not thinking and acting in a healthy manner regarding their weight.  A very high proportion of American males and females are obese. Dogru144, 12:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Documentation for claims

message: I don't understand how body image is measured and how it may identify obese people as having a poor body image just because they are aware that they are obese. Is there an example of the questions asked?Guava 19:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Measuring Body Image

message: This isn't linked very well with body image. "Ideal" body shape should be an individual assessment, not a collective assessment.Guava 19:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Attractiveness and social issues

message: There is considerable research done about body image. One important source that covers such research is Sarah Grogan's Body Image: Understanding Body Dissatisfaction in Men, Women and Children. Body Image is actually a huge topic that needs a lot of work.
Yyarin 00:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Info Needed 

message: Body image is the idea of what the body should look like. It is a social and culturally defined perception. Body imaging is the idea of how one's brain unconciously "sees" the body. It is based on the neural representation in the brain either by motor neurons or sensory neurons. I'm not sure if Body Imaging is the appropriate term, but these two concepts are incredibly different from each other, further, as I have stated in another comment, Body Image is a very large topic, Body Imaging can probably be covered in about one or two paragraphs.
Yyarin 00:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be clarified that "body image" has two meanings used in two separate contexts. Two articles, one for each meaning, is even better.--AMSA83 21:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Body Image vs. Body Imaging 

message: Body Dismorfic Disorder should be mentioned in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.31.244 (talk) 21:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BDD 

message: There is another technical use of the term "body image", which refers to the association of areas of the motor cortex with the voluntary movement of body members. This is often shown as the motor homunculus depicted by Dr. Wilder Penfield. This image distorts the body according to the areas of the motor cortex associated with its movements. For example, it shows the thumb as larger than the thigh because the thumb's movement is much more complex than that of the thigh and thus occupies a larger area of the cortex. The motor homunculus plays a central role in proprioception. This body image is involved in phantom limb phenomena as well as their opposite, as in the case of brain damage resulting in the disappearance of parts of the body from conscious perception.
I removed this because it is partially misinforming. Proprioception correlates to somatosensory, motor, and parietal cortices. Body image refers to the sense that you have a body (which involves proprioception, the vestibular system, and vision.) Body Image does not refer to the motor or sensory homunculus itself. Also, the motor cortex does play a role in proprioception and phantom limbs, but central to its role is voluntary movement, not proprioception.
cynic2005 09:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Entry: "Disambiguation Issue." 

message: First, I  added my own entry to the article, and correspondingly updated the references section. Secondly, I edited the first sentence and following first paragraph. Lastly I merged the first paragraph, and the entry "Research: measuring body image," under "Body Image and Physical Appearance." This article may need a new lead paragraph, highlighting both usages of the term "body image." 
cynic2005 06:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Added Entry: "Body Image and the Brain"

message: can we add a treatment section with the best proven treatments?--Sonjaaa (talk) 18:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: treatment?

message: I cited Vilayanur S. Ramachandran as the originator of the idea "which may explain transsexualism." I removed the following sentence: "While anything is 'possible', one must question the likelihood of any notion that suggests an organ can possess its own sex."
Whether or not an organ can possess its own sex is not relevent to the topic of the article.  This interpolated sentence also appears to be the bias of the contributor which seems to be based on a limited understanding of the brain and the theory implied.
cynic2005 10:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Sentence

message: It seems to me that the section entitled "obesity a brain disorder?" is not only poorly written, but also fails to make a relevant connection to the subject of this article.  After significant editing, this section could potentially be placed under "obesity". If you disagree, please comment.  Otherwise, I will eliminate this section.Wiki emma johnson (talk) 00:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Section on Obesity

message: There is a redirect from Flabby but in the article the definition of being flabby is missing. VictorPorton (talk) 18:17, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing info about "flabby"

message: i suggest changing that to "gender differences" for clarity. 70.114.248.114 (talk) 22:15, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sex differences 

message: Firstly, I agree with the sex differences change. When talking about body image, it is important to use the word gender instead of sex because we are talking about societal constructs. Also, it may be good to add some more about media that is coming out now that wishes to transform our obsession with skinny bodies. Specifically, I am referring to the DOVE campaigns that are about loving your body. These are geared toward women, but if there are any for men, that would be good to add as well. 
Hw10239 (talk) 04:28, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Media additions

message: I added this section to this page to offer viewers examples of how films and advertisements are being made that challenge the media.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eleonor.thomas (talk • contribs) 20:23, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Dismantling the media pressures of body image

message: I wanted to shed some light on how Hollywood impacts people's body images as well, so I wrote this subsection. It was suggested that I make some edits, so this is a modified version of what I wrote. Thoughts? Here it is:
The mass media, including magazines, television, and social media websites, portrays idealized images of both men and women that represent both genders as perfect or better than reality.  While many factors lead to distorted body image, the mass media is largely at fault, especially the entertainment industry that is rooted in Hollywood. The entertainment industry consistently sends messages to women and men that their bodies are imperfect or flawed through airbrushed and refined celebrities, all with toned bodies, styled hair, and clear skin. Harriger, Jennifer "Hollywood And The Obsession With The Perfect Body." Sex Roles 66.9/10 (2012): 695-697. OmniFile Full Text Mega (H.W. Wilson). Web. 23 May 2014. In a survey of 1,000 people regarding the impact of Hollywood images, only 10% said they were completely satisfied with their bodies, and 80% admitted that the depictions on television, in movies, and in fashion magazines made them feel insecure about their appearances. 34% would even be willing to try diets that pose health risks. Dam, Julie K. L. "How Do I Look?." People Weekly 54.10 (2000): 114-122. OmniFile Full Text Mega (H.W. Wilson). Web. 23 May 2014. Essentially, Hollywood and the entertainment industry influence both women and men’s personal perspectives on their bodies and convey unhealthy messages about beauty and perfection.  Fox-Kales, Emily. "Body Shots: Hollywood And The Culture Of Eating Disorders." Journal Of Family & Consumer Sciences 104.1 (2012): 58-59. OmniFile Full Text Mega (H.W. Wilson). Web. 23 May 2014.
(Pawsworth101 (talk) 00:53, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I recommend reading WP:NPOV, as that addresses several difficulties with your contribution. Having Wikipedia say that mass media is at fault is a problem. Unless it is a completely uncontroversial point, backed up with sources, Wikipedia doesn't say someone's at fault, no matter how strongly we might feel about it. The article could explain who says someone's at fault, and maybe why their opinion is significant, but not as though it were coming from Wikipedia directly. Additionally, a survey in People magazine is not good enough as a source. It's not really a scientific journal, so polls like that are rarely statistically reliable enough to use. Otherwise your use of sources if pretty good. Since you've only got two sources, the whole thing is a little unbalanced in terms of WP:DUE weight. You might want to either find more sources, or make the section more concise. Again, the main obstacle you will need to overcome is that your contributions read a little too much like advocacy. No matter how strongly you believe something, this isn't the place for that (WP:NOTADVOCATE). I hope that helps. Grayfell (talk) 05:54, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: 'In Hollywood' Addition

message: This is regarding this section, which I deleted. The first paragraph was totally unsourced, but had some possibly useful content phrased in a way that had advocacy problems. The second paragraph had sources, but they were more clearly related to other sections, where they would make more sense. It was also not NPOV. There's also an issues with using a primary source for a scientific study, which should generally be avoided. Since the last paragraph seemed to degrade into an apparent guerrilla marketing campaign for Dove beauty products, I decided to just remove the whole section pending further discussion. Grayfell (talk) 05:36, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section titled "Dismantling the media pressures of body image" 

message: Body image is a huge issue in today’s world.  Many young girls and boys (as well as adults) are impacted every day by the media, and what they feel they should look like.  The media consists of television, magazines, movies, billboards, etc.. Through the media, people are shown what “beauty” is supposed to be.  When a company wants to sell a new beauty product or campaign, they typically use a skinny woman, or a tall slim man.  When this happens, that little girl who rushes home from school and flips on the T.V. see’s this and automatically associates skinny with beauty.  If this little girl happens to be overweight, she may take this commercial to heart and in turn develop an eating disorder or a psychological disorder.  Sure this seems far fetched, but it happens far more than the public realizes.  If more celebrities or even just regular people decided to take a stand and put a stop to all of this body hatred, the human population would be far better off, and much happier.  If this happens, in the future another little girl might rush home to the television and feel like the most beautiful girl on the planet, inside and out.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.216.190 (talk) 23:29, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Negative Effects from the Media on Body Image 

message: We need a section that relates sexuality and body image. I wrote this section and was hoping we could add it to the article after the section on Gender Differences:
"Sexual minority women have the highest incidence of body dysmorphic disorder and body dissatisfaction at 7.7%. Heterosexism and homophobia or biphobia are realities for LGBTQ+ individuals, and discrimination can have a tremendous impact on sexual minority women’s mental health. Body image problems among bisexual women are rarely studied. Most research on body image has focused on heterosexual women or lesbians, contributing to bisexual erasure that occurs both within our heteronormative society and within the LGBTQ+ community. Dominant sexualities and gender binaries leave bisexual women feeling invisible and contribute to body dissatisfaction in bisexual women. Many studies of sexual orientation and body image in women lump together lesbians and bisexual women, failing to acknowledge differences in the psychosocial factors that impact body image. Nearly all women face social pressure to conform to idealized standards of female beauty, but bisexual women occupy a different social standing due to their attraction to two genders. Many bisexual women identify with both heterosexual culture and lesbian culture. Lesbian communities have been seen as "feminist safe havens where lesbians and bisexual women can separate themselves from the dominant heterosexist culture." Feminist values, such as critique of female objectification and standards for female beauty, play an important role in how bisexual and lesbian women perceive themselves and their bodies. However, because a significant portion of bisexual women are interested in relationships with men and in attracting men, they may feel pressure from patriarchal ideals. 
Lesbians often feel better protected from body image issues because, some believe, "the lesbian community challenges heterosexual culture’s objectification of women." Some studies show that lesbians have higher self-esteem and less body dissatisfaction; when comparing bisexual and lesbian women of equal weights have been compared, lesbian women have been more satisfied with their bodies. On the other hand, some believe that idealized femininity is pervasive, and women are expected to live up to cultural standards for womanhood which center around appearance. Thinness is often a component of femininity. Some theoretical frameworks believe that lesbians have been socialized to focus on their physical appearances just like heterosexual women have been. There is a complicated role of societal messages promoting patriarchal ideals of femininity for lesbians. 
There is an overrepresentation of gay males in eating disorder samples. However, homosexual and bisexual men experience body dissatisfaction differently than women. There is a societal pressure for gay men to be more “physically attractive,” a label stereotypically characterized by lean muscularity. Homophobia and discrimination negatively impact homosexual men’s body image and self-perception. Because gay men are exposed to higher concentrations of estrogen in the womb, many of them act stereotypically “female” and are unfortunately characterized by stereotypically feminine behaviors, like restrictive eating. Sexual minority men, particularly sexual minority men living with HIV, have elevated body image disturbance and increased depressive symptoms. Negative body image in gay and bisexual men is related to biological causes (lipodystrophy) and sociocultural variables."
Queercello (talk) 02:10, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Sexuality and Body Image

message: The current images at the top of the article do not fully encompass body image and the issues that come with it. I believe they need changing. I do not understand how to navigate Wikipedia Commons, so if someone else could do it, that would be great. Once copyright issues have been sorted, etc., I recommend images similar to these: 
https://20something1thinking.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/12-positive-body-image-from-michelbritney00-blogspot-com-1.jpg and http://shortroundandfast.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Body-image-photo.jpg.
Of course, the ones I recommended cannot be used because they are not on Wikipedia Commons, but I think images that are similar to them would fit the article. I just don't think the current pictures are the best suited for it.
Queercello (talk) 17:15, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Changing the Images

message: We need a section that relates race and body image. I wrote this and would like to see it after the section titled Body Image and Weight:
Prejudicial stereotypes about gender and race are unconsciously absorbed by children and reflected in their self-esteem and body image. Cultural influences, mainly illustrated through pictures in books, perpetuate bodily stereotypes. Children and adolescents of color, due to the lack of representation in media and advertising campaigns, mirror characteristics that apply to white children and teenagers. Lighter skin, light and straight hair, light eyes, and thinness are seen as beautiful within communities of color as well as white communities. Research shows that relatively fewer Blacks suffer from negative body image and disordered eating. Black women are less vulnerable to body-image dissatisfaction and are more proud of their bodies than whites and Hispanics. Overall, Black women and girls are more satisfied with their bodies than white women due to the acceptance of larger body sizes within their communities. However, there is also research that suggests that people of color are often overlooked in studies, which leads to a large underrepresentation of these issues within those communities. Many racial differences in body image may exist due to the type of self-presentation and likelihood of weight problems. Some research suggests that Black girls and women express a desire to lose weight because there is often a greater likelihood of becoming overweight due to the socioeconomic statuses of minorities. There are also differences in standards of beauty within communities of color. Latina and African American standards describe round and heavier frames. Women of color in America, however, struggle to fit into white culture, where women are slim and fit. Participants of color in studies acknowledged the thinness ideal and rejected it through active resistance. They identified both physical and nonphysical attributes as beautiful, including hair, skin tone, curviness, confidence, personal style self-care, strength, and spirituality. “Black women are not immune to the thinness ideal but are perpetually coping with it.” For black women, hair and skin tone, attributes that are not considered in self-image for white women, are important. As per societal standards, natural hair is less attractive as opposed to relaxed hair or wearing a weave. Women who are of darker skin tones are deemed less beautiful than those with lighter skin tones. As found in a study of sun-exposure behavior of East Asian immigrants in Australia, many eastern societies stress that fair skin is more beautiful than tanned skin, leading to a tradition of covering skin when outdoors, and no sunbathing culture. Shadeism and racism contribute to cultural beauty standards, where slender, white women are depicted as more beautiful than curvaceous, full-figured dark-skinned black women. Although negative body image and self-esteem issues are less common in women of color, they are not immune to societal pressures of ideal body image.
Queercello (talk) 01:32, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Race and Body Image

message: The section "Body image and weight" contains a lengthy apology of fat-shaming, claiming that media's portrayal of thinness as the quintessential body ideal may make some people times believe that they are overweight when they are not, this is supposed to be more than made up by people who are overweight but don't care. This is clearly cynical, and worse, it is also dead wrong. Shaming does nothing to make people lose weight, even if it may be medically necessary and if it may be achievable by a change of dieta lone. (Some obese people, after all, suffer from health issues, such as hormonal imbalances that make losing weight pretty much impossible in practice.) For an obese person, losing weight is very hard, doubly so for a poor person who lacks the financial and temporal resources for a "healthy" lifestyle, and requires iron will and self-discipline. Being mean to them instead of supportive and understanding of their difficulties only makes their situation far worse and adds to their misery, and if anything, they'll end up more obese, as they turn to comfort food to cope with the effects on mood that the hostility they encounter has. The unquestioned assumption promoted by the media that fat people are unhealthy, ugly, bad, and unworthy of love and respect, while only thin people are healthy, attractive, good, and worthy of love and respect, going so far as the completely baseless claim that obese people are a "drain on resources", and even to blame for climate change (sic!), is deeply harmful and indefensible. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:49, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fat-shaming apology 

message: Added some structure fixes to sentences and added some fillers to help sentences flow better. Good information was added overall. I would recomend adding some more information to 'Figure Preferences' seems that this is a very significant area to hit on for this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josh.theis (talk • contribs) 05:10, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
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message: The opening paragraph ends with a rather confusing quote from an article by Helga Dittmar and Sarah Howard, beginning with "We expected...", but providing no information as to whether or not the expectations were fulfilled. Also, the quote seems to have little or no connection with the immediately preceding sentences, so perhaps it should just be deleted?
Nikolaj1905 (talk) 15:45, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification of Dittmar/Howard quote needed 

message: The picture of the baby sucking its thumbs is hardly relevant to an article on body image. It gives little information on the meaning or connotations even of related concepts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:4080:5960:5898:3211:F517:E1C (talk) 03:39, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
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message: I thought I'd post this on the main page for reference. Some significant issues were:
1) Too many commas. Commas are not needed after noun phrases or lists, such as "The issues surrounding body image can be examined through, body negativity, and body positivity." which is correct as "The issues surrounding body image can be examined through body negativity and body positivity."
2)Too much reliance on quotes. Quotes should not be written in as sentences in the article for no reason.
3)Misstatement of facts, such as a line saying that 95% of people aged 12-26 had eating disorders, when the truth was that 95% of people with eating disorders were aged 12-26.
4)Spelling and grammar errors, or wrong words being used
5)This sentence was in the article for no apparent reason: "Body Gossip is an organization founded in 2006 and run by Ruth Rogers and Natasha Devon which campaigns for all body shapes, sizes and issues, whatever race, gender or age."
6)Someone might want to reduce the use of euphemisms. Politically correct language may be confusing and is not particularly useful for a global audience.
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message: This article is rather disjointed and unbalanced. Much of it could be a new article on female body image.
The 'History' section doesn't cover a general history of body image, but a rather specific history of the ideal female body image. 
The article neglects topics such as the impact of disfigurement/deformities on body image and the portrayal of disfigured characters in media (e.g. the disfigured monster archetype).Robwom (talk) 05:01, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Focus  

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Body shaming. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 26#Body shaming until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Hildeoc (talk) 13:56, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Body shaming" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians - especially @NyxofPrimordial$20
The recently added section "Exercise on how it affects Self-Perception towards our Body Image" is hardly in an encyclopedic tone and should probably be rewritten.
Sincerely, Nikolaj1905 (talk) 11:12, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone of the section "Exercise on how it affects Self-Perception towards our Body Image" 

message: As the title suggests, the history section of this article is overly long, seems to focus only on societal beauty expectations for only women, and has barely anything about the actual history of the evolution of the idea of the body image or how it has historically affected people. Bonbonzilla (talk) 23:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you mean, but not sure what the solution is. Why this seemingly random collection of different body images in different regions through different periods in time? It would be useful to the article if some researchers have synthesized this into a history for us. Otherwise, it does seem to be getting into original research territory.   signed, Willondon (talk)  23:15, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I just finished slashing nearly everything from the section. Can someone maybe find like a philosopher's statement about this whole thing? The top of the article mentions it, and I would rather have the evolution of the idea of a body image as the history section than a bunch of collected "ideal" woman body types.      Bonbonzilla (talk) 03:56, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section feels completely unneeded. 

message: I recently published a Wikipedia article on Snapchat dysmorphia and noticed this concept was mentioned within this article under the "social media" section, so I have linked the new article! I would appreciate any feedback on the Snapchat dysmorphia article. Please reach out if you have any questions/concerns. Thank you! - Jinnyjin123 (talk) 04:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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