Talk:Super Smash Bros./Archive 1

message: It currently says "template 7 next to Mewtwo under his inclusion in Brawl rather than "?" could a user fix it
Done, but in the future please start discussion at the bottom of the talk page and sign your posts with "~~~~"→041744 08:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fix Mewtwo

message: Which games do you think should be listed for Link's debut? I think LOZ for Young Link and Zelda II for adult, since Link was an adult like he is in Super Smash Bros in Zelda II, but still a child in LOZ. Takuthehedgehog 11:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Y'know...we could just look at the debut info on their trophies...RememberMe? 17:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Games that Young Link and Link debued in

message: I'm going to remove that link, as a fan site known for being of notoriously poor quality and consists of 99% speculation of SSBB (and doesn't mention the other games in the series) does not belong here.
Xubelox 23:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Poor quality my foot, but yeah. It's all speculation. Needs to be removed. RememberMe? 01:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Smash Brothers Online

message: Currently, it says the first game the characters appeared in, yet it says "Mario from Donkey Kong". I sounds like Mario was only from one game (Donkey Kong). I think It should say "Mario from the Mario Series", or at least, "Mario (debued in Donkey Kong). This goes for all other characters too. What are your thoughts? --Shadow2 18:33, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series or First Game? 

message: If I'm not mistaken, wikipedia is a website for displaying facts, not frivilous rumors, especially when no reliable sources for information(like www.smashbros) have been displayed. The rumor, however, is from a very dubious source, a 1up article leading to an even more dubious French site.
If no visible evidence, like a screenshot of those characters fighting, has them appearing; the information should be changed or disputed.
EDIT: Sorry for informing you people, the character part has already been changed
http://www.livewii.fr/news/9350/Des-nouvelles-tetes-pour-Super-Smash-Bros-Brawl.html
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151290
(sigh) When will these people learn? It's a hoax. Unless Sakurai announces it himself, it's not true. I doubt an unreliable news source and a FAN VIDEO on Youtube is proof. It's only proof if it's listed on the official website. So we'll have to wait until the release or "if anything noteworthy comes out". Shadoman 14:46, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For some reason, these people seem to believe anything they see.  I say that if it isn't in an official trailer or on the official site (http://www.smashbros.com/en/main.html), we don't add it.  Unoriginal Username 02:52, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the Ice Climbers/Young Link/Mr. Game and Watch rumor false? 

message: The non-playable fighters table needs several fixes. I propose that Giant Donkey Kong be removed (he is hardly a special character - large versions of nearly all of the characters are fought in the single-player modes and it's just a permanent version of the mushroom power-up). Also, Sandbag is not a fighter. Unless we include an "other characters" section he should probably be removed. The existences of Metal Mario and Dark Link can be tolerated as a reference to the N64 game and  prominent characters in adventure mode, but they're questionable.
:Dark Link and maybe even Metal Mario need to go.  If we include characters like them, why not characters like "Giant Bowser" (not Giga Bowser) because he was in that one Event match (along with Tiny Peach and Tiny Mario)? 199.126.137.209 00:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On Bowser's page in the Brawl site (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/bowser.html), they state that by grabbing a "Smash Ball," he is able to breifly transform into Giga Bowser as his "Final Smash."  I propose that a check-mark is placed in the Brawl section of Giga Bowser's apperences, with a note saying that it is playable in Brawl or somthing close to that. 209.40.132.121 15:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-playable fighters table fix 

message: People on the NSider Smash boards are having fun constantly vandalizing this page so that they can say "SO AND SO IS CONFIRMED!" or to prove that anyone can edit wikipedia by adding bogus info.  Until this dies down, I suggest protection. 199.126.137.209 00:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this although I am not totally sure on how to get a page protected, if it doesn't get protected i'll look into it. The Light6 08:30, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have requested semi-protection which should stop the adding of incorrect inforation. The Light6 09:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection request

message: I've seen this forum linked over and over again on all of the Smash Bros. related articles. This forum has a whopping 19 members, and I'm pretty sure that puts it in the unnotable department. So if anyone sees the forum linked on any of the SSB related pages, do your best and delete it. Paji out ^_^ Comrade Pajitnov 22:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smash Syndicate Forums 

message: Dark Link is merely a palette swap of Link, with all the same attacks and all. I don't think its required to put him in the NPC sections.What do you think?Aramjm 15:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the characters who aren't significantly different or original. Axem Titanium 18:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Dark Link really have to be there? 

message: Is it possible to play as the polygons via a GameShark? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mathsexpressions (talk • contribs) 19:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polygons and GameShark 

message: Okay, I added some info to Giga Bowser's part of the article a few days ago, and you guys deleted it all without giving a reason. I saw info on the attacks and stuff like that for the 2 hands, so why can't Giga Bowser have similar information? Plus, his REAL size is just about the same as Regular Bowser at twice normal size. Giga Bowser was the right size inadventure mode, but was made bigger than normal in Event Match 51... I did the comparison by using my Action Replay to put a half sized Giga Bowser, next to a normal size Regular Bowser, and they were just about THE EXACT SAME SIZE! All the other info on attacks I added was also researched using my Action Replay... I'd like it if you guys KEPT this info. And if you do decide to delete it, then you may as well delete the attack info on the other NPCs as well, because they all have Attack info, yet Giga Bowser didn't... Joe EchidnaFox 18:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yours was a little too detailed, so I made it shorter and better. Your welcome. Comrade Pajitnov 19:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to think that my edit summary was enough of a reason to delete it. I guess not. Maybe I should have linked it to WP:NOT#IINFO. Axem Titanium 20:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess you didn't read what I said... I said if Master Hand, Crazy Hand, and the Wire Frames and Polygons can have info on their attacks, then why can't Giga Bowser have that type of info too. Since you removed Giga Bowser's attack info, then the same should be done for the other NPC's as well... Plus, your edit summary simply said "rv game guide"...Joe EchidnaFox 00:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, never mind, I see some attack info was kept...Joe EchidnaFox 00:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: They have, it's been there since the update.
Giga Bowser has been confirmed to be playable in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, as Bowser's transformation, when Bowser performs his "Final Smash" attack. Bowser becomes much larger, but transforms back after a short time. [3] However a full non-playable-character version of Giga Bowser has not been confirmed for Brawl. Dengarde 00:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giga Bowser 1 

message: * Princess Daisy has a chance to get in Brawl and she is going to be in it for sure.  And she will be using her own attacks for Brawl. 70.16.149.9 at verison 21
We can't put information in without sources, and I never saw anything about Daisy in Brawl. Depressio
I sort of doubt it. They'll probably make her not an alternate costume of Princess Peach.Oubliette 03:19, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Smash Bros Brawl Princess Daisy 

message: I aplhabatized this section a long time ago, but some people have changed it back. I guess they're trying to make it conform with the preceding section on NPCs, but I think it should be alphabatized to conform with the Characters table. What does everyone else think? Comrade Pajitnov 22:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPC Section: Aplhabatized or Not? 

message: She isn't a standalone character, as we all know, and is playable through in-game means, and thus is the same character. -Chao9999 07:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, the characters are still in the games, so taking them off the page doesn't make any sense. I'm adding them back in. Comrade Pajitnov 18:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But it isn't a real character. They said that it was just going to be one Samus, and that one Samus can access the Zero Suit. So keeping them on the page doesn't make any sense. Because I think that keeping it on makes less sense than taking it off, I think it should be removed. ~ 71.126.173.111 22:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be just fine and dandy, if it weren't for one tiny detail; it doesn't matter if Zero Suit Samus and Sheik aren't standalone characters, because they're still in the game. Just because you can't pick them from the character select screen (technically you can with Sheik, and we don't precisely know with Zero Suit Samus, it could change) does not mean they aren't in the game or anything. That's where removing them makes no sense. Comrade Pajitnov 00:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, they are each seperate characters with seperate movelists and names, and they are playable seperately, even though they transform into one another. Djcs410319 22:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Zero Suit Samus from the character list 

message: :Support. I don't think it's trivial.  I think it's useful information to include on the table.  --myselfalso 13:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: :Disagree, as I said before, this is just to trivial for an enclyclopeadic article.→'''
: By the way, Don't Change the table on the actual page until a consuenus.041744 19:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose

message: Any particular reason MM isn't included on the NPC list? His icon is a modified mushroom, not the standard one, he was a sub boss in the first game, and is a big part of the series. If anything he is an NPC clone character which should get noticed in the NPC section. - Unsigned.
Metal Mario is not a NPC created from scratch. It's mearly a adaption of regular Mario. This is also the reason Metal Luigi and Dark Link are not on the list.--041744 00:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't Giga Bowser just an "adapted" Bowser then? He just has a different model. Gurko 08:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Giga bowser is singificantly changed from regular bowser, his size style and attack have been altered. Look at previous disscussions before starting a new one--041744 13:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Unless you or someone else come up with a good reason to create a NPC article, nothing will happen. We tried to create a NPC article one time before, but that got deleted and got merged with this one. Too bad, so sad.. Life goes on.→041744 04:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metal Mario  not an NPC? 

message: Since when were Master Hand and Crazy Hand confirmed for Brawl??? They weren't in either video for Brawl, nor where they in any of the daily updates, as well as any interviews. So Ha! 68.195.110.145 15:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, just some people just like to say that some characters are conformed when their not even mentioned by Nintendo. Frankly this is getting really lame, Thanks for reverting it.→041744 15:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No They Haven't! 

message: Added Bowser to playable in Brawl. DivineShadow218 07:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bowser 

message: I didn't know Ice Climbers were confirmed for Brawl and G & W confirmed to be taken out. Anyone have a source? Tinkleheimer 19:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's never been confirmed by Nintendo. --myselfalso 21:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game & Watch and Ice Climbers 

message: Should Giga Bowser have a meantion in both the playable character list and the non-playable character list, since in Brawl he is infact a playable character as opposed to in Melee? Also to support this I mention the fact that Sheik is only a transformation of Zelda but gets a mention same with Zero Suit Samus which is asumed but not confirmed to be the result of a "Final Smash" Attack like Giga Bowser. The Light6 09:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added Giga Bowser into the playable characters list and made a note in the non-playable characters list that he is playable is in Brawl. The Light6 09:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  He should not be included on the playable character list, mainly because he is merely one of Bowser's moves and not a stand alone character. Also, it has not been confirmed that Zero Suit Samus is Samus' Final Smash, so that cannot be used as justification for the inclusion of Giga Bowser. Ixistant 11:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not like sheik where the character has a full move set, Still it shouldn't be added to the NPC list becuase there still no mention of a full on character version of Giga Bowser.→041744 13:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Giga Bowser should be placed in the playable character list because he is only a temporary transformation and probably has the same moves as Bowser.  If we place him in the playable character list, we need to add Volt Tackle Pikachu as well. WikiFew 18:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Volt Tackle Pikachu is not a character as Giga Boswer is so even if Giga Bowser is added that doesn't mean Volt Tackle Pikachu should be. Well I have an idea to solve this, if Zero Suit Samus is revealed to be the temporary result of a Final Smash we either remove Zero Suit Samus or add Giga Bowser. The Light6 23:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

text: While that would solve the problem I think it as a whole would be unnessary. The Light6 23:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giga Bowser 2

message: I don't know how relevant this is, but has anyone else noticed how Samurai Goroh's name is spelled "Samurai Goro" (no "h" at the end) on the Smash Bros. website?  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 18:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No not very relevant, just basically trivia, besides it's an item like the pokemon out of a pokeball.→041744 20:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm well aware of the mechanics of the Assist Trophies, I'm just wondering if this particular character will be reintroduced under this alternate spelling.  Whatever the case, it won't become appearent until the game is released.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 03:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Just wanna point out that the page on the Smash Dojo was updated. It says "Goroh" now. Primed 07:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samurai Goroh 

message: But I have a request for someone to update this article...I see that in the "Non playable characters" list, it shows that Giga Bowser is still unknown for brawl. However, I can't blame them as the Super Smash Bros DOJO website just anounced giga bowser as a playabe character on the day I am writing this, which is July 4th.
Just wanted to tell anyone with edit powers to this article to update this area and not only change it from a ? to a check mark, but to make a note that giga bowser will be playable in Super Smash bros brawl. (PS: Giga Bowser will not be listed in the main roster, rather, the result of when regular bowser grabs a smash ball. See the site if this is too confusing)
The grid is for Nonplayable characters. A partly playable giga Bowser is available, but it is not an NPC. until a full NPC G-bowser is confirmed, we're going to change it to a check. Right now, a full NPC is not confirmed. Aramjm
:Giga Bowser is not a playable character.  It is part of the Final Smash move.  --myselfalso 14:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hence, he is playable.  You just won't select him on the character select screen is all.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 18:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't buy that.  It's like the NPCs within the Assist Trophies.  It's part of an item.  Or like Metal Mario in SSB and SSBM.  You can't select him, but you can become him during play temporarily just like the Final Smash item.  --myselfalso 14:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NPCs are not playable.  That is why they are called NPCs.  Just because you only play as Giga Bowser temporarily does not mean that he is the same as an NPC.  He was an NPC in Melee, but not this time around.  Likewise, Metal Mario and Giant Donkey Kong were only NPCs in SSB until Melee changed that.  In short, a character is deemed playable however short or long you can play as them.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 19:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

text:  Shadow Link is simply Link with his model tinted pitch black. As for Metal Mario and DK, they're simply modified clones of their original characters in SSB. Not worth noting. Giga on the other hand is in an entirely new character, hence why it's has a place on the list. Dengarde 08:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

text:  Not exactly. The Wireframes and Polygons are entirely different characters with move sets similar to others. Much like Gannondorf is to C.Falcon, Roy to Marth, Pichu to Pikachu, and Giga Bowser to Bowser. Giant DK and Metal Mario are exact clones, or rather, the exact same characters, just modified to be bigger in size and have a metal shine, hence why they aren't noteable. Dengarde 05:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maybe this was already mentioned (Edit: it was)

message: Should I leave a notice similar to Yoshi's regarding Captin Falcon's presence in Brawl?I suspect some people may mess with the table and put a check in his Brawl column because of Samurai Goroh's inclusion as an assist trophy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by DerekDD92 (talk • contribs) 
:First sign your posts. Second, to my knowledge, no one has yet, so untill it becomes a problem, I'd say no. Dengarde 23:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Captin Falcon

message: Can someone get a mod or someone to lock it so no new users can edit it cause it was getting Exam photos all day.
: Sign your posts and if you looked it is already locked. The Light6 00:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandals!

message: Dr. Wright is confirmed, and has a nifty erupting skyscraper move, but notice that he is classified on SSBDojo as an ITEM, not a playable character, so don't get excited and stick him in the main cast list.Rglong 07:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. As an ASSIST TROPHY. -Sukecchi 02:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dr. Wright

message: Please don't add Donkey Kong just because he is in this video does not mean he is in the game. He may still be taken out of the roaster or something else could happen to him, anyway please don't add him till he's on the official website.→041744 21:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why he shouldn't be listed as being in Brawl; it's like saying that Meta Knight, Pit, Wario, Snake and Zero Suit Samus couldn't be 'officially' in the game at the time of the first trailer release. Plus DK is an established playable character in the Smash Bros. series; it wouldn't make sense for them to remove a character that is just as old as Mario is. Disaster Kirby 22:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, no original research, no infering or "of course he's in becuase he was in the first 2 games", we all now DK will be in the final game, but until this is officially conformed we can't infer he will be in the game, the same argument was presented with Yoshi, and the consensus was to wait till he was confirmed, please can we not go through the same thing with every character, next it will be Luigi, then maybe Captain falcon, can't we all just wait for official sources?→041744 22:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A video clip provided by Nintendo themselves isn't an official source now? Wow. The thing with the other characters though, is that despite it being obvious that they'll be in the game as playable characters, we haven't seen them yet. But now we've seen DK in a video shown by Nintendo themselves.If something shown by the creator of the game isn't official, then I don't know what 'official' is defined by anymore. Disaster Kirby 22:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh no.  DK should be listed.  How can DK not?  Meta Knight, Pit and Wario have been confirmed on Dojo.  Snake and Zero Suit Samus have not.  Either DK gets listed, or Snake and Zero Suit Samus don't.  Otherwise, it's a double standard.  --Son 22:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yoshi and C.Falcon aren't listed because we haven't seen them. However, we have now seen DK. Video proof that he's in the game, from Nintendo themselves. It's as good as confirmed. Dengarde 22:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I concur. No inference is necessary. Removing DK from the list would be exactly like removing Snake from the list just because his bio hasn't appeared on smashbros.com yet. Yoshi's been given strong hints; it can be inferred that Yoshi's in; Yoshi was in the last two games, but we haven't actually seen Yoshi in the game. We've seen DK officially. He's in. --HeroicJay 23:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As of late, DK has been confirmed. You may check the site. --M.K. 06:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at the time stamp from the previous comment, it was from before DK was announced.  --Son 19:27, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Donkey Kong

message: I think adding lists of nintendo characters appearing in Items would be a good idea, after all, pokemon ARE nintendo characters as well as Samurai Goroh, Dr. Wright, the hammer Bros., etc
According to wikipedia standars, they are full-right NPCs and well known Nintendo characters, separate lists would end the debate.  Yaddar 00:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPC tables for characters appearing in poke-balls and assist throphies

message: A side note could be added to indicate that Princess Daisy and Blood Falcon (specially him) are playable as Peach and Falcon's alternate costumes..., they both ARE nintendo characters (Blood Falcon is a clone of Cap. Falcon, he owns his own F-Zero machine)
They don't need to be in any list, but they can be mentioned on a side note, what do you say (specially in Blood Falcon's Case)Yaddar 00:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we know that yet for SSBB. For all we know, Daisy and Blood Falcon could be two hidden characters. Pluvia 07:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're talking about Melee, not Brawl.  Yes, a note should be added, as well as Mario's Wario-colored costume that appeared in both the first two games.Rglong 15:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree.  Just because Peach wears Daisy's dress and accessories, it does not mean she is Daisy.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 14:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Even though Princess Daisy is an alternate costume for Peach there is no other difference like for example Metal Mario which has been denied entry into the article so I feel the same should be for something as insignificant as a costume. The Light6 05:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Princess Daisy and blood Falcon

message: I know I'm late to the discussion, but I still think Metal Mario is important enough to warrant his name on the NPC list.  Reasons: he was his own character in the first game, not a condition caused by an item.  He was a boss you always had to fight, and he even has his own stage based on the area in Mario 64 where the metal cap is found.  In the first game he isn't playable unless you use a cheat device.
He plays a similar role to Giga Bowser - unplayable boss, then playable in a future release.  And don't go saying "oh he's just the same as Mario but a clone" because plenty of the playable characters are clones too, like Dr. Mario.Rglong 15:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In SSBM he was a clone (Mario + Metal Box). He could probably warrant inclusion if he wasn't just a clone in SSB' though. -masa ♫ 16:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Giga Bowser is just a larger version of Bowser.  Dr. Mario is a clone of Mario.  Ganon is a clone of Captain Falcon.  Pichu is a clone of Pikachu.  Falco is a clone of Fox.  Young Link is a clone of Link.  So I fail to see your logic.66.191.114.224 17:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Giga Bowser has a significant change from Bowser in stats, size, and appearence. Dr. Mario has a significant change from Mario in stats and appearence.  Gannon and Falcon are two different characters. Pichu and Pikachu are two different characters. Falco and Fox are two different characters. Young link has significant changes from Link in stats and appearance. Metal Mario is a clone, since he has the exact same stats and appearance (except that he's, well, metal.) from Mario.Dengarde 18:44, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Metal Mario

message: What's with giga bowser having a ? for the new game when it even says on here that he's going to be in the in the later in here?
::Because Giga Bowser isn't a separate character. He's a temporary form of Giga Bowser that might or might not be separate from Bowser himself. -Sukecchi 15:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  non playable characters 

message: Should Animal Crossing be mentioned at all in this article? I mean, the Animal Crossing stage, and the symbol, which normally indicates a character.
::That's speculation. -Sukecchi 15:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Speculation, but not exactly unfounded. All the stages associated with a character has their character's logo on it. All non-character stages have the generic SSB symbol. I think it deserveds a mention that there's a possibility for an Animal-Crossing related character, but so far only an animal-crossing symbol has been releasedMavrickindigo 16:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with Dengarde, epsecially about the Mr. Resetti thing! :D  However, as a Wiki editor, it is our job to make articles a reliable source of information, and we can be going around posting speculation, because it might end up being false. - Smashman202 03:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: To note, none of the "non-character" stages in Melee were based on a specific franchise anyway - and one of them had its own logo anyway (separate from the Smash Bros. logo, and no characters, even NPCs, used it.) When/if an Animal Crossing character is confirmed, it'll be safe to add. --HeroicJay 06:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Just because there is a stage with a seperate icon, (And yes, I am fully aware that icons indicate specific franchises) does not necessarily mean there will be a character of the same franchise included. As of now, everything is speculation, but remember it was the same in Melee, where there were stages from the "Smash" genre, (Final Dest./Battlefield) yet no officially playable character(s) from that specific genre. (as in one that appears on the character select screen) As an off-topic side note though: I personally do not think we will see a playable character from the AC franchise. --M.K. 06:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Animal Crossing character

message: He'll have been established as the series' main villain, and a recurring character, with three starring roles and a cameo in KATAM. The other NPCs can stay here, but MH should get an article of his own once he's confirmed for Brawl. Agreed? RememberMe? 03:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not too sure.  Is there enough info on this character to sustain an entire article?  Think of all the game cruft that will be added.  Plus, his role hasn't really changed too much with each installment of the series.  Even though he has been in three (possibly four) games, there hasn't really been a lot of character development there.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 05:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  If Master Hand returns in Brawl, could he get his own article? 

message: I think that Zero Suit Samus should now be taken off the Playable Characters List because it is found out that she is actually the result of a Final Smash. Actually on second thought I think she should stay on the list.
Taken Off - It is the result of the Final Smash.
Stay On - She is still playable even after the Smash Attack, not temporary like Giga Bowser.
This is a tough decision for me. Tinkleheimer 07:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zero Suit Samus 

message: Zero Suit Samus is the result of Samus Aran's Final Smash, the Zero Laser.  As posted on the official website.  So I guess all that "speculation" turned out to be true after all...  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 07:05, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Special conditions revealed!!! 

message: I believe the picture representing the NPC Giga Bowser should be a picture of him as a Non Playable Character.  Showing him in playable form is misleading. A picture of the playable GB is already seen here. The original GB trophy picture was probably the best (most of the other NPC pics are of trophies). --147.226.44.186 15:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We just need an image of Giga Bowser. That's it. Nothing else. It's fine. -Sukecchi 11:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPC Giga Bowser Picture