Talk:Germs (band)

message: why was there so many drummers???
:Because most were temporary, lasting only the length of a set. Rsm99833 14:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Drummers

message: i made a Germs userbox. heres the code: 
Connör (talk) 19:07, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  userbox 

message: The article stated that Kim Fowley produced the first single Forming and implied (possibly due to poor editing) that he produced all but their last six-song session. The album GI is well known to have been produced by Joan Jett (can be confirmed on allmusic.com). I find it hard to believe that someone with at least some producing notability like Fowley at the time would have been doing Forming's two-track recording in a garage. Possible, but unlikely, and more plausible that he was involved in some later work. Unfortunately, I can't find any evidence of his involvement, so I removed. If anyone can confirm that he was involved, that would certainly be sufficiently noteworthy to include, so please add him back (hopefully better edited than before to make it clear just what he was involved in). CAVincent (talk) 02:06, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kim Fowley 

message: Regarding the final show at the Starwood in December, 1980, the main article states that "In spite of Crash's favorite LA band X not showing up for their opening gig..." I was at that show and I swear I remember X opening up (along with Suburban Lawns and some other band). 
The article has a [citation needed] tag but I'm not sure what part of the comment is being disputed. And I'm hesitant to edit the article until I get independent confirmation of my memory of 29 years ago (!). All the gigs and all the years have blurred together somewhat. ;]
Anybody else at the show and remember X playing? I'm sure they did.
--Etimh (talk) 00:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Starwood Show 

message: I've been working on the What We Do Is Secret article and come across some sources that would be good to use in improving this article. I'm going to put them here as I find them, in the hopes of working on this article too at some point. --IllaZilla (talk) 07:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Didn't Darby encourage a sort of Manson-inspired following, typified by the "Germs burn" cigarette-induced scars? I don't know enough about it to contribute, but the article doesn't indicate that anything was noteworthy about the relationship between the band (Darby specifically perhaps?) and their fans. That's what I was hoping to read about.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.174.222.85 (talk) 15:01, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes he did, the "Circle One" group of close friends & followers. I'm currently working on a rewrite of this article and the Darby Crash article in my userspace that will address this and some other missing details. Check back in a couple of weeks, I should be done by then. --IllaZilla (talk) 17:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  fans/cult following? 

message: recently moved the article from Germs (band) to The Germs, giving the reason "sources use The Germs". I've moved it back, and I thought I should explain why: I've read a lot about this band, including the sources I listed above, and am working on some major rewrites/overhauls in userspace (User:IllaZilla/Germs (band) and User:IllaZilla/Darby Crash, both projects I should probably resume). What I've found is that the sources alternately use "Germs" or "The Germs"...Some use the definite article because it's part of a sentence (ie. Lexicon Devil: The Short Life and Fast Times of Darby Crash and the Germs), but in any case sources seem to either use it or not using depending on their whims. The clincher for me was that the band's only studio album, (GI), as well as the anthology compilation (MIA): The Complete Anthology both just use "Germs" (the title/name isn't on the MIA cover art, but I own the album and it's on the sidebar of the jewel case, as well as on the spine). Other albums use the definite article, but were all released after the band's breakup. To me this is similar to the Ramones, Sex Pistols, or Misfits in that sources with either use or not use "the" as part of the band's name with great variance, but looking at the bands' actual releases shows that the majority of their major releases do not use it. --IllaZilla (talk) 16:00, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: I know the article has some info about possible new recordings to be released in 2010, but since its nearly 2012 now, I'm gonna go ahead and make all that past tense. Would anyone objest to me adding something saying that there has not been any new news about this and it may have been abandoned?75.66.42.232 (talk) 06:56, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with the switch to past tense, although "may have been abandoned" would be speculation. I was working on an overhaul of this article (as well as an overhaul of the Darby bio) in userspace a while back...I should revisit those projects. --IllaZilla (talk) 07:23, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Activity

message: Does anyone have a link to a reliable source to Detective Tommy Takahashi's report on the scene of the death of Crash? I found this in a self published book called Wild-Eyed Boy: The Darby Crash Story (revised edition)
“Decedent, 22 year old male, was the boyfriend of Casey Hopkins who resided at the address of the incident in the rear house. It was learned later that the two lived together at (address deleted) until three weeks ago when they moved out and took up residence with three friends at 312 N Oxford, LA. Last night they had a party at the Oxford address, drinking and smoking (the decedent also has track marks on both arms). The two decided to return to the (address deleted) and arrived there at approximately 0330 hours. this date. The girlfriend’s mother who resides at the residence in the family house had no knowledge of the two being in the back house until Casey’s friends came to the house.
At approximately 1230 hours this date, Casey awoke to find (Darby) not breathing and cold to the touch. She started sobbing and when her three friends walked in, they observed her over the decedent and crying. Casey’s mother, Jacqueline Garrett, was contacted and she called the paramedics…who pronounced death at 1250 hours.
Decedent was observed supine (laying flat on back) on the floor dressed in street clothes. He was in a supine position. Over his head on the wall was a note with a heading to “Bosco” who is decedent’s close friend and lives in New York.
Decedent is also reported to have been a heavy drinker, sometimes or at spells he would get drunk daily.
Identification was established by girlfriend and photo on driver’s license.”
I'm attempting to confirm if this is accurate because a number of sources including this article claims As he lay dying, he attempted to write "Here lies Darby Crash". Other sources, usually not WP:RS by Wikipedia standards claim that he wrote "Here lies Darby C", as he was unable to finish his note. Either way, after reading a number of newspaper articles, I'm questioning whether the "Here Lies" claim is more of a made-up legend than actual fact, and the truth is he simply wrote a note to David "Bosco" Danford stating "My life, my leather, my love goes to Bosco." --Yankees76 Talk 18:08, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: SPIN magazine also reported in 2001 that "Here Lies Darby Crash" is more lore than reality.--Yankees76 Talk 18:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Here Lies Darby Crash" 

message: Hello random IP, please use your sandbox to edit, practicing this kind of thing on a real page is discouraged :( IDislikeFalsity (talk)   — Preceding undated comment added 23:06, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Members Timeline 

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message: Quick observations from 2016 for you:
I've been mulling on this lately, and looking over the discography as you describe (earlier Talk Section labeled "Title"). I would be more inclined to include "The", due to the quantity of usages, but especially when viewed in order. Add to that the flyers of the period, and it looks like dropping "the" only started to appear in 1979
As per: https://www.discogs.com/artist/257157-Germs
As "The Germs"
1977: Single "Forming" https://www.discogs.com/The-Germs-Forming/master/54068#images/5101997
1978: EP "Lexicon Devil": https://www.discogs.com/The-Germs-Lexicon-Devil/master/123419#images/2476807
1981 (but recorded in 1977, and ostensibly their first Whisky gig): LP "Germicide": https://www.discogs.com/Germs-Germicide/release/718022
1981: "What We Do Is Secret": https://www.discogs.com/Germs-What-We-Do-Is-Secret/master/38305#images/8695364  (cover says Germs, label says The Germs)
As "Germs"
1979: LP "GI"
1985: LP "Rock 'N Rule"
I've ignored all the 90's+ releases, as they are mostly rehashed versions of the above, but will concede they mostly reference "Germs" only.
Also the flyers of the era (and probably from the band's hands) mostly all read "The Germs"
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464996730247534827/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464996730246981476/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464996730246553811/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464996730246423996/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464996730246423994/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464996730246331796/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/491455378062708551/
2 from 1979 and 1 from 1980 is missing "the": 
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464996730246331806/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464996730246331778/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/464996730246331787/
So, food for thought, I think they are more appropriately referred to as "The Germs".
RennaissanceWarfare (talk) 22:06, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think either is valid. In my opinion the easiest thing to do is just leave the title as "Germs" but add "the" in sentences and captions, as is done for many other artists of similar circumstance. --IllaZilla (talk) 04:41, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Looking at the above list, I would say "The Germs" might be preferable as the first two official releases should take precedence. An official website run by the band or their representatives would be helpful in determining this as well. IllaZilla's suggestion seems wise for now.Greg Fasolino (talk) 17:51, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title (Germs vs. The Germs) revisited 

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