Talk:Cedrus

message: Cedars 4 species. look; http://species.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedrus —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.98.124.70 (talk • contribs) .
:See the references on the page - MPF 01:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: species

message: Cedar planks can be used to smoke meats. Particularly fish, such as salmon.CompIsMyRx 05:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uses: Food Preparation 

message: Reverted some nonsense vandalism it seems. Xenocide wm 00:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted Vandalism 

message: I would like to see some documentation that the ancient Romans used the word "cedrus" or that the ancient Greeks used the word "kedros" only for species now classified in the genus Cedrus and for no other plants.  I have seen some references suggesting that the ancient Greeks and Romans used this word for several trees and shrubs with strongly aromatic wood, including Juniperus.  At any rate, trying to apply phylogenetic concepts to pre-Linnaean terms like "cedar" and "cedrus" is always fraught with nomenclatural peril. MrDarwin 19:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: According to the IUCN Red List  there are 4 distinct species of Cedars (Cedrus brevifolia, Cedrus atlantica, Cedrus deodara and Cedrus libani).
NO, CEDAR IS JUNIPEROUS NOT CEDRUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TAXONOMY
Where is Siberian cedar?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.219.191.210 (talk) 13:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientific names 

message: How to preserve a dug out 10-ft. cedar with only bare roots (no soil or clay attached) for about a month without planting it?
Please help. Thanks.
Chaos Moonlight (talk) 00:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to preserve a 10 foot baby cedar 

message: The berries on cedar trees can be made into a drinkable juice called Gin.
The wood on cedar trees are used for chests and ornamental things.
The foliage isn't usually used for anything except for possible temporary decor.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.196.36.185 (talk) 01:41, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible that the berries and gin is a reference to Juniperus; Juniperus virginiana is one of the many trees that are called cedars. Lavateraguy (talk) 09:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

text: This has been removed, it is Thuja that has these uses. I've also removed the reference to musical instruments which as far as I know also ONLY are made from Thuja, but perhaps there is some little-known use of Cedrus ... Nadiatalent (talk) 12:24, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common uses of Cedar 

message: Most of the new taxonomic sources support the four species concept for the genus Cedrus. E.g.:
* The Gymnosperm Database
* NCBI Taxonomy Browser
* Farjon (2008): A Natural History of Conifers. Timber Press.
A three species concept (Cedrus brevifolia is a subspecies of Cedrus libani) is supported by:
* GRIN Taxonomy for Plants
Currently, this article is based on User:MPF's personal opinion. His references (added on December 5, 2007) supporting the two species concept are:
* One article by himself.
* Some ancient articles.
* Regional floras, mostly very old.
I suggest the four species concept should be adopted here. Krasanen (talk) 12:56, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, i suggest involving as much specialists in this decision as possible, please refer to Rkitko on this matter Eli+ 13:30, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

text: The current Flora of China (vol. 4) also supports four species in Cedrus. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm not very familiar with these taxa, so I'll just say that if it seems like the recognition of four species over two is still under debate in most circles, I'd write it as such. If four species appear to be recognized more often and more recently, I'd write it as such and note that it's changed and that some older publications preferred the two species arrangement. I've alerted WP:PLANTS as well, so you may get a few better-informed opinions. Rkitko (talk) 16:04, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Those are OK as tertiary sources, but to get a bit closer to the evidence, see for example three non-paywalled articles: Phylogeny and Biogeography of Cedrus (Pinaceae) Inferred from Sequences of Seven Paternal Chloroplast and Maternal Mitochondrial DNA Regions ("all taxonomists accept the Himalaya cedar C. deodara, but classification of the circum-Mediterranean cedars is quite controversial"; they cite two-species papers as recently as 2003), Genetic diversity and structure of natural and managed populations of Cedrus atlantica (Pinaceae) assessed using random amplified polymorphic DNA (I didn't see anything beyond C. atlantica, but perhaps helpful in terms of what genetic variation is like in this genus), Phylogeography of North African Atlas cedar (Cedrus atlantica, Pinaceae): Combined molecular and fossil data reveal a complex Quaternary history (likewise, although I saw at least one mention of other Cedrus). This was a pretty cursory search; since it seems to be a well-studied group there is probably more to find. I didn't spend too much time reading but based on what I saw so far, "two to four different species" (or two to five) seems right. Kingdon (talk) 02:44, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for those additional references. The first one says: "The tree topology, together with branch length, also supports North African C. atlantica as a separate species". The two latter articles do not discuss infrageneric classification but nevertheless write C. atlantica, not C. libani var./subsp. atlantica. Krasanen (talk) 14:03, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed to the four species concept as proposed above. Actually I think the reason why MPF favoured the variety concept is that so he could add here his own combination (C. libani var. stenocoma). Krasanen (talk) 13:22, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Four species concept 

message: I'd like to propose that this page should be listed under Cedrus, not Cedar. I've made a start, but the number of pages that should link to Thuja or Juniperus or Chamaecyparis instead of to this page is huge, and the confusion appears likely to continue despite our best efforts as well-meaning people insert statements that shakes and shingles are made from Cedrus, etc. Nadiatalent (talk) 12:37, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. To better serve the reader, if they want to read about the tree from which cedar wood comes, when they type in "cedar" or "cedar wood" they go to the disambiguation page.  Then they will know that the common name "cedar" isn't one kind of tree.--Brambleshire (talk) 16:13, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, more-or-less. An administrator is needed to change the name of Cedar (disambiguation) to simply Cedar. Nadiatalent (talk) 14:22, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion due to the name of the page

message: there's a part of the 'description' section where a large portion of text appears to have been cut out, gibberish included (nbsp;mm).
> The shoots are dimorphic, with long shoots, which form the framework of the branches, and short shoots, which carry most of the nbsp;mm long, arranged in an open spiral phyllotaxis on long shoots, and in dense spiral clusters of 15–45 together on short shoots;  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.195.9.13 (talk) 23:11, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone fix the Description section