Talk:Boho, County Fermanagh

message: There are no moles in Ireland. There is now only one species of rat (brown). There are two species of shrews (one recently introduced), only one of which (the pygmy shrew) is found in Fermanagh.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.103.145 (talk) 20:41, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Various types of moles, rats and shrews (sic)

message: I was thinking about extracting the Noon's Hole section and creating a new article for the cave; I think it's a major enough feature to warrant its own article. Anyone against? I have a copy of the Caves of Fermanagh & Cavan so should be able to add a few facts, figures and citations to it... might even be able to root out some photos somewhere... Fattonyni (talk) 23:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see the noons hole page , good job, well done . I think there is a famous illustration on the web of the shaft that might also look good on the page . Thanks again . Youngbohemian (talk) 17:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I think it turns out pretty nice in its own article. I hope my alterations to the text were ok! Also need to condense the Noon's reference in the Boho article to a couple of lines, with a link pointing to the "main" Noon's article, but I'll leave that for now. Yes a pic would be great, I might have a shot of my own somewhere, but I'm not sure how good mine would be off the top of my head. Fattonyni (talk) 17:57, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noon's Hole 

message: I've removed a couple of dead links from the External links section, also this link (Boho Community Association) because it seems to point to a page that has no content. This can be reinstated at another time if the linked page begins to actually be used as a web site for the Boho community. Fattonyni (talk) 13:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed links 

message: I've consolidated the Other places into previous headings in this section -- I'm guessing the "nearby Church of Ireland" with its ancient doorway (described in the Boho High Cross section) is the same as the one mentioned at Farnaconell? Feel free to change back if this isn't the case. Moved mention of the 12th Century high cross into the main section on the 1000-yr-old cross. Fattonyni (talk) 18:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Places of interest 

message: I read the comments on the article. Yes there are a lot of sensible suggestions.  Flora data came from the NICS 2000 survey  written in various scientific journals and reports by Alan Cooper at the University of Ulster and Tommy McCann, the rest was from reports by the Department of the Environment Northern Ireland and from the scheduled species data books. I must go back through it and cite more but at the time i wanted to have the bones of an article which I thought I would have time to go back to.  The folk tales , I think there are only a couple of these which are from the web but I have added some more source data. 
Glasgow had an exhibition of Glasgow's around the world when it was city of culture in 1990. By listing other places called Boho around the world, I was trying to approach the subject of historical emigration patterns from Boho and if there was a connection with  other places in the world to the place in fermanagh. Youngbohemian (talk) 15:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvements to article

message: In the reference from the ANNALS OF THE LOCH CE "1552.9 "Tadhg, the son of Tadhg son of Eoghan O'Ruairc, was slain in treachery in Bothach-Ui-Fhialain, by the Davine, son of Lochlainn"
I wondered why this historical event was mentioned if it was not that important? I was looking through the O'Rourke geneologies and found that the kings of Briefney which this region used to be associated with had a king Eoghan O'Rourke, king of Breifne: 1500-1528 - son of Tigernan Oig son of Tadhg (AM1528) and wondered if there was any connection.http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ruairc/obreifne.htm
Youngbohemian (talk) 13:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That does indeed sound interesting -- the dates don't seem to match up though (dod 1528, book reference 1552), unless the Loch Ce Annals reference was written well after the occurrence? Fattonyni (talk) 01:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Or, of course, unless there are two different calendars in use for reference here....? Fattonyni (talk) 01:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Could well be. Do you have the recent "Bréifne" book by the way? It's affiliated with the "breifne.ie" web site, you may find it of use if you don't have a copy of it yet, they're available in the Blacklion visitor centre. Not too much information on Boho itself, but seems good for general topics such as flora and fauna etc. and some of the history. There's a small section on the O'Rourkes (p.141), but unfortunately not a lot on the 15th-16th century. I must also remember to pick up a copy of the new Boho heritage book next time I'm in the area, it sounds like it would be an interesting read. Fattonyni (talk) 11:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing Links

message: The information I added to Boho Caves in the Geology section was beginning to get cumbersome within the context of the article, so I've created a new article at Boho Caves and moved most of the information there, leaving a quick description and link to the article in its place. Fattonyni (talk) 01:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Anything to help get Boho on the map really. Good work yourself, you've obviously spent much time trawling through historical texts. I don't think it'd be too difficult to get the article up to Good Article (highest) standard. Yes I've been thinking about starting a Reyfad Pot or Reyfad system article, the fact that it is the deepest system in Ireland is merit enough... unfortunately I've not been into the system myself so it would have to be entirely compiled from books. I'll have a go in the next few weeks I expect. Aside from this I think the amount of info you have on each of the caves in this article is perfectly adequate in this context; if they seem worthy of expansion then the same can be done with them as with Boho Caves. Fair point on the Noon's-Arch system, I might be tempted to convert the Noon's article into a page for the whole system, rather than just Noon's Hole... Fattonyni (talk) 11:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boho Caves 

message: Sorry i moved your reference on West Brefnie down to the history section..
I already had a pre-14 century Boho piece plannned in short scraps but your reference showed me the time was right ... . you can change it around to suit.
Also i am very interested to find out what Boho was called before say 1320 ....which is the earliest reference i can find ...We know the high cross was a 12th century artifact and that people were living there since neolithic times but the older name eludes me Youngbohemian (talk) 08:10, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem -- I figured the Bréifne reference was going to need a better write-up in the main section of the article anyway. I might still be inclined to keep just a small mention of Bréifne the lead section though, since it was the main preceding locality, before County Fermanagh came into being? Just in terms of the lead being a summary of the main points the article (as per WP:LEAD). Do you think it would be notable enough? Fattonyni (talk) 10:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Wow, that's fairly old enough then! Fair point on the 51→49 townlands statement, you're right of course, perhaps another subsection within "History" would be in order (e.g. "Migration of borders", or something slightly less robotic) containing a paragraph or two on how the size of the area has changed from the wide area between the two loughs to its present-day status, with mention that "in 18xx the parish contained 51 townlands" part-way through? It means that it isn't then being cited as such an important fact, which admittedly it's not in the long run, but still worth mentioning for the fact that it's qualifiable. Great job reordering the "Historical references" section by the way, the addition of particularly ancient stuff (Reyfad stones and Ptolemy) really work well to provide context. Fattonyni (talk) 15:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Briefne

message: Although the number and quality of caves around the boho area is impressive and adds greatly to the importance of the article on boho , i was wondering if it would be possible to mention the highlights of the three main cave systems and then move the specifics of the caves and the geomorphology to a new page of its own ? Youngbohemian (talk) 20:15, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Caves associated with the Boho area

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