Talk:Rugby league positions

message: I moved this page from Rugby League positions, in keeping with the titling of the main article as rugby league (no capitials). Grinner 15:11, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
The links below should copied and pasted into articles e.g. player bios. GordyB 11:13, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call in my opinion. Grinner 12:48, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Title

message: I've noticed the official harlequins site displaying a few articles recently about rugby league positions. Perhaps these could be of use? POds 12:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting Sources?

message: I've heard the term "acting half" more often than "dummy half", is this a Northern Hemisphere/Southern hemisphere usage? I think the term should be included, and will put it in if no-one objects.
From the 13-a-side rules, Section 11:
Acting halfback 
:(f) A player of each team, to be known as the acting halfback, may stand immediately and directly behind his own player taking part in the play-the- ball and must remain in this position, until the play-the-ball movement is complete.
Paul Tracy|\talk
:Add it by all means but don't change the names of any titles as this breaks the links.GordyB 23:13, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can I add another plea for people not to change the titles of the player positions, it breaks any anchored links that have been set up on other pages e.g. scrum-half will only work if the ==Scrum-half== title is not changed.GordyB 23:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acting half-back / dummy half 

message: For me, we need to make sure the greatest players (historically) in each position are in, and have a spread across the most significant countries. If we are going to stick with around 5 in each, I think there should be no more than 2 Brits, no more than 2 Australians, usually at least 1 New Zealander and possibly one from another country (Puig Aubert, van Vollenhoven etc). Halls of fame, immortals and teams of the century make sense, but there are always going to be exceptions. Although we need to be open to making changes, I think we need to discuss and agree here, and then just revert any changes that aren't discussed. A big problem for me in these lists is recentism - are we listing notable players who have played the position or notable players now? If all the players in one position have played in the last 25 years, I think we have a problem. Some of the suggestions that come up have been ridiculous - James Roby?? --hippo43 (talk) 11:49, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.--Jeff79 (talk) 08:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Criteria?

message: Australian match commentators and media sometimes refer to either the five-eighth or halfback as the 'pivot'.  I'm not sure which one it is.  I think it might be the halfback.  This might be worth a quick mention in the relevant section.--Jeff79 23:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a term in use in the UK but I believe it to be the five-eighth as the term means "fly half" in union.GordyB 08:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just read some news articles that used it with regard to five-eighth. I'm going to insert a mention.--Jeff79 05:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pivot 

message: I was think of adding each player's represntative rugby league in but I was thinking more along the lines of how it is done in rugby union positions. The problem I have with the flags is that the Aussie and Kiwi flags are difficult to tell apart when full-sized and impossible when minaturised. I also think whether a player played for Queensland or New South Wales is worth noting (though Yorkshire or Lancashire probably isn't).
With British players, it gets complex Iestyn Harris has a British flag while Billy Boston has a Welsh one. I am pretty sure that both players played for both Wales and Great Britain. I haven't checked the lists thoroughly but it is possible that some of the players with an England flag next to them may never have played for England (because Great Britain would have been the only option back then).
I suggest a format like this:-
Iestyn Harris (Wales and Great Britain).GordyB 11:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put the flags in more to show where a player is from. I always avoid all the crap that goes with trying to show who they represent (through the grandfather rule or whatever, which I find rather farcical). I put a British flag next to Harris because it wasn't clear. I guess citizenship doesn't change between Wales/England/etc. If a player grew up in Scotland but represented Great Britain, I'd definitely put a Scottish flag next to his name to show that sometimes people from Scotland become famous rugby league players. If Hazem El Masri were on the list, I'd put a Lebanese flag icon, because that's where he's from. Conversely, if Kevin Campion were on the list, I would not put an Irish flag next to his name. That's really the spirit in which I added them. Also, from a purely aesthetic point of view, I think the flags add a nice bit of colour. I think the rugby union page doesn't look as good. If someone wants to know more about which teams the players represented they can click on them. The Australian and New Zealand flags are easy to tell apart. The Australian has a white star under the Union Flag  but the New Zealand doesn't  (granted it's a little harder to spot when they're small like that).--Jeff79 18:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Flags and representation

message: Does this usually refer to the halfback? I've never been really sure about it. I hear it mentioned alot in commentary. My guess is it's the player that recieves the ball from the dummy-half most frequently. I had a feeling that might be the halfback. If this could be confirmed it should be mentioned in this article and/or Playing rugby league.--Jeff79 20:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted original reply because it was wrong. First receiver is whoever the dummy half passes to, second reciever is whoever gets it next.GordyB 10:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you know if it's typically the halfback?--Jeff79 19:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In a perfect world, scrum half / halfback should be first reciever and the stand-off / 5/8s the second receiver.GordyB 19:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite frequently the first receiver will be a forward taking a hit-up early in the tackle count. But I think when people talk about first reciever it's later in the tackle count. I had a feeling it was typically the halfback, but I thought with the five-eight being nicknamed the pivot, that it would make sense for him to be first receiver too, as the direction of the attack "pivots" on whether he decides to go left or right. Maybe these days both of "the halves" could be referred to as 'pivot' and/or 'first receiver'. I guess it's hard to be conclusive.--Jeff79 19:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Here's an example of what I'm talking about. In this case it meant halfback: http://newsstore.fairfax.com.au/apps/viewDocument.ac?page=1&sy=smh&docID=SHD0305259PTOR2KHPI7 --Jeff79 (talk) 15:17, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article could cause confusion but I believe is probably due to the journalist trying to add more detail to the story. The writer has been told that the player has been moved to the role of first receiver, changing the dynamic of the team and the responsibilities of the player, and has added further detail by showing that the player has been in different positions in the past. I think it's probably down the a lack of attention to detail. LunarLander // talk // 15:44, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not imagining it. Maybe it doesn't happen in the Northern Hemisphere, but Australian commentators often substitute the term "first receiver" for "halfback". This is proof of it.--Jeff79 (talk) 16:07, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this website halfbacks are positioned "so as to be in place as first receiver."--Jeff79 (talk) 16:12, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Reciever 

message: Since people keep adding to / altering the list of notable players I propose simply noting which players are in the UK and Australian hall of honours. This has two advantages
a) it is NPOV
b) it will make the list easier to maintain rugby union positions uses this system and is more easily maintained.
Any thoughts / objections?GordyB 12:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm starting to lean more and more this way, Gordy. I am fond of the flagicons though as it communicates immediately a level of internationality. Australia and New Zealand also have 'teams of the century' named, which I think are at least on a par with Halls of Fame.--Jeff79 (talk) 14:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable players

message: Quite a few positions, for example if you search for 'Scrum half', redirect straight to the rugby union positions page. Should we try to have this changed to disambig. pages? LunarLander // talk // 12:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - good idea. --hippo43 (talk) 13:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, sounds good.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Position names redirecting to [[Rugby union positions]]

message: As a Rugby League newbie, there were a few areas in the article that raised questions, that I'm hoping someone appropriately knowledgeable might be able to edit the relevant section to add clarity / remove said confusion:
===Wing===
What does "solid under a high ball" mean?
:Good at catching kicks LunarLander // talk // 10:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Read it more slowly! (and look at the team formation diagram) LunarLander // talk // 10:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Trying to gain possession of the ball moving it with your feet. A way to restart the game after the ball has gone out of play - it gets thrown in and players from both teams try to catch it. LunarLander // talk // 10:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Exactly what it says in the text: "may either go down quickly when tackled and look for a quick 'play the ball', or try to stand up in the tackle, fend off defenders and offload the ball to a supporting player." Try to remain on their feet so they can pass the ball to a team mate to carry on the move.LunarLander // talk // 10:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Run at the other team. LunarLander // talk // 10:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Breaking through the other team's line of defending players. LunarLander // talk // 10:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions

message: What does "solid under a high ball" mean?
:Good at catching kicks LunarLander // talk // 10:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wing

message: "Traditionally centres were categorised as 'inside' (nearer the stand-off) and 'outside' (nearer the wing), however the modern trend in rugby league for the last 20 years has been for centres to play left and right side, partnered with their respective wings."
Call me thick, but I didnt really get that.
:Read it more slowly! (and look at the team formation diagram) LunarLander // talk // 10:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Centre

message: What does "strike for the ball" and "line-out" mean?  Maybe there's another page we can link these to?
:Trying to gain possession of the ball moving it with your feet. A way to restart the game after the ball has gone out of play - it gets thrown in and players from both teams try to catch it. LunarLander // talk // 10:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hooker

message: What does "position stand up in the tackle" mean?
:Exactly what it says in the text: "may either go down quickly when tackled and look for a quick 'play the ball', or try to stand up in the tackle, fend off defenders and offload the ball to a supporting player." Try to remain on their feet so they can pass the ball to a team mate to carry on the move.LunarLander // talk // 10:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Prop Forward

message: What does "taking the ball up" mean?
:Run at the other team. LunarLander // talk // 10:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Breaking through the other team's line of defending players. LunarLander // talk // 10:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Second-row Forward

message: The team's kicker seems to have been overlooked. A perfect addition to the "Other roles" section I think. Anyone disagree?--Jeff79 (talk) 12:04, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Seems obvious now you mention it. I've made a start on goal-kicker; tactical kicking might be a bit more ambiguous. --hippo43 (talk) 12:27, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other roles 

message: I turned Fullback (rugby) into a DAB a few weeks ago. I removed it from this article when fixing the other links, but have just noticed that it has been put back in. My reasons for changing it were that nothing in the article was not explained in either this one or the equivalent one at Rugby union positions and if someone was searching for a rugby fullback position then they would probably be looking for either this article or the rugby one. Also all incoming links should have really gone to one of these articles. If you think the artcile should exist then we can discuss that, but I am not sure that it is useful to have a see also going to a DAB page. AIRcorn (talk) 11:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fullback (rugby) 

message: When creating player articles, for s I've adopted the prefixes Left- (#8) and Right- (#10), in rugby union this would equate to Loosehead (#1) and Tighthead (#3). I've noticed an anonymous user has been changing Left- and Right- prefixes in certain player articles to Open side and Blind side, is there an agreed northern/southern hemisphere naming convention? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:25, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Props 

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