Talk:Smack-Off

message: I moved this discussion material from the main page here, as it is now appropriate to this page Doctorindy 21:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

message: I wrote the Smack-Off Article.  Feel free to check it out.  I suppose that a minimal mention of it can be made, as long a link to it is made from the original
article. --Saxonjf 02:52, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Jim Rome "Smack-Off" Article 

message: I think we need to decide what to do with the original "History" section, so I'm am copying it here for safe keeping. Since we're making a year-by-year history on this new page, perhaps we should just list year/winner only on the main page, at the most, and use this one for deeper details. Doctorindy 14:23, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 8-time Smack-Off invitee and noted amputation fancier Greg in Vegas, who finished second to Sean the Cablinasian, ended his call with a tasteless reference to pro golfer Tom Watson's caddy, Bruce Edwards. Greg closed by saying that perhaps Watson could have won the previous U.S. Open had Edwards not "incurred a one-stroke penalty", referring to the ALS that would kill Edwards a year later.
*April 16, 2004 -- "Iafrate" Ken Chasen in Los Angeles, who had finished second in four previous Smack-Offs, wins his first, his call capped off by a song, Whitey's Dad (a parody of the song Michael's Dad by John Niems), in which Iafrate sings about Brian Albers (nicknamed "Whitey") who was Rome's show engineer and board operator.
*May 6, 2005 -- Sean the Cablinasian becomes the first three-time winner at Smack-Off 2005. Defending champion "Iafrate" Ken Chasen finishes second for the fifth time. Terrence from Sierra Madre, considered to be the best caller never to have won the Smack-Off, places third.
I don't see how Greg in Vegas could have placed second in 2003 if Iafrate had placed second in the four consecutive [i]Smack-Off[/i]s prior to [i]Smack-Off X[/i], either Iafrate finished second in 2003 or Greg in Vegas did?  Which one?  --Saxonjf 04:01, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Preserving the Original History Section from the main show page

message: *1995 -- The winner of the inaugural Smack-Off is J.T. the Brick, who parlayed his Smack-Off victory into his own sports talk radio show. Rome invites J.T. (and all previous Smack-Off winners) to call during each year's event, but has otherwise cut off all contact with him and resents J.T.'s success. Partly to blame was the fact that J.T. was originally on a competing station in Los Angeles. Currently, they work for the same company (Premiere Radio Networks, owner and licensee of Fox Sports Radio) and are on in different dayparts on the same stations in many media markets, but the animosity continues. J.T. was quoted in Alan Eisenstock's book entitled Sports Talk as saying, "Jim Rome has done everything for me, but Jim Rome has done nothing for me." J.T., in recent years, has not returned the invitation to call the Smack-Off. Jason Stewart (aka J-Stew, now the call screener of Rome's show), then known as "Jason from Fullerton," also got on with an especially bad take before getting run.
*1996 -- Jeffrey E. DiTolla, "Esquire" is the winner of the second Smack-Off.
*1997 -- Doc Mike DiTolla wins his first Smack-Off, marking back-to-back victories for the Brothers DiTolla.
*1998 -- In one of the more classic Smack-Offs, Steve Carbone wins with his famous "I am not a clone!" call.  Many of Steve's detractors like to claim that the fix was in on this Smack-Off, because at the time Carbone was the call screener (known as "Phoneslap") for The Jim Rome Show (having previously been the successful caller "Stevie from LMU"). Carbone went on to host his own sports-talk radio show, before being dismissed for making some very inappropriate comments on a website. This was also the first Smack-Off to feature a professional athlete in the field, quarterback Jim Harbaugh, who unfortunately provided a very boring call.
*1999 -- Sean the Cablinasian in Houston wins his first Smack-Off.
*2000 -- Doc Mike DiTolla becomes the first two-time winner of the Smack-Off.
*2001 -- One of the original callers to the Jungle, Silk in Huntington Beach (who is portrayed by Rome and many callers to be a bum who lives in a cardboard box on the beach and collects cans in a shopping cart), wins the Smack-Off after being the unfair target of criticism from many callers throughout the year.
*April 19, 2002 -- One of the most polarizing callers, Jeff in Richmond, wins the Smack-Off, to the outrage of many "Clones" and the joy of few. The e-mail server at the show reportedly crashed afterwards.
*June 21, 2003 -- Sean the Cablinasian (now in Denver) becomes the second caller to win two Smack-Offs.  This Smack-Off also featured perhaps the most infamous line in Jungle history:
:8-time Smack-Off invitee and noted amputation fancier Greg in Vegas, who finished second to Sean the Cablinasian, ended his call with a tasteless reference to pro golfer Tom Watson's caddy, Bruce Edwards. Greg closed by saying that perhaps Watson could have won the previous U.S. Open had Edwards not "incurred a one-stroke penalty", referring to the ALS that would kill Edwards a year later.
*April 16, 2004 -- "Iafrate" Ken Chasen in Los Angeles, who had finished second in four previous Smack-Offs, wins his first, his call capped off by a song, Whitey's Dad (a parody of the song Michael's Dad by John Niems), in which Iafrate sings about Brian Albers (nicknamed "Whitey") who was Rome's show engineer and board operator.
*May 6, 2005 -- Sean the Cablinasian becomes the first three-time winner at Smack-Off 2005. Defending champion "Iafrate" Ken Chasen finishes second for the fifth time. Terrence from Sierra Madre, considered to be the best caller never to have won the Smack-Off, places third.
I don't see how Greg in Vegas could have placed second in 2003 if Iafrate had placed second in the four consecutive [i]Smack-Off[/i]s prior to [i]Smack-Off X[/i], either Iafrate finished second in 2003 or Greg in Vegas did?  Which one?  --Saxonjf 04:01, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: Smack-Off 1998 and Smack-Off 2000 are currently tagged with suggestions to merge into this article. I personally think each of the individual articles, including Smack-Off 1997, Smack-Off 2004, Smack-Off 2005 and Smack-Off 2006, should also be merged.  Like Malber, I think these constitute original research and are not sufficiently encyclopedic. -- Scientizzle 21:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll put the merge template on the newly-created Smack-Off 2000.  These don't really need individual articles. -- Scientizzle 20:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that it's original research and not very encyclopedic. --  20:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Hyperbole aside, this is a valid point.  Hopefully, I've addressed it; feel free to rewrite if necessary. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 19:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

text: The reason I semi-protected it was because Rome's listeners were using the article to promote themselves for a Smack-Off and to diss competitors in that Smack-Off. Rome was reading the edits on the air, and it was only going to get worse. After protecting the article, some of it bled into the talk page, so I semi-blocked the talk page. Kingturtle (talk) 00:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  You may remember that there was a similar media-related spate of vandalism after Stephen Colbert encouraged his viewers to sneak weird statements into Wikipedia.  I guess the only way to see if the novelty has worn off is to unprotect and watch closely.  How about trying just the talk page first to see what happens? --TS 02:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Worth a shot. I'll unprotect the talk page. Kingturtle (talk) 11:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 21:08, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with individual yearly Smack-Off articles?

message: I header was put up at the top of the Smack-Off 2005 article "suggesting" a merger between that article and this one: I am against merging.  I wrote both articles myself, and intend to write seperate articles for other Smack-Offs.  With another Smack-Off presumably coming up this spring, and previous Smack-Offs in the past, my plan is to link those [i]Smack-Off[/i]s to the original Smack-Off article.  The article, Smack-Off is a general overview and rundown of all the [i]Smack-Off[/i], the Smack-Off 2005 is a more specific article on the event Smack-Off 2005. 
*I agree; also, one of the problems with merging the documents is that a length and formatting issue would inevitably pop up, in much the same way as the problems with the Jungle page.  Ixnay on the erge-may.  Incidentally, have you thought about putting those articles at the Wikicities site I created? Willbyr 23:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging with Smack-Off 2005? 

message: I've put the merge template up for the 1998 article. These individual articles are very redundant. Size would be less of an issue if there wasn't a blow-by-blow recounting of each episode. I suggest that the articles be merged and summarized. --  20:23, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll put the merge template on the newly-created Smack-Off 2000.  These don't really need individual articles. -- Scientizzle 20:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that it's original research and not very encyclopedic. --  20:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Smack-Off 1998]] 

message: Thought I'd post the link to the AfD for the individual Smack-Off articles for reference. The Wikilinks to the individual contents will need to be edited out of this article. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 19:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Death of Smack-Off articles

message: I've never heard of SmackOff before, but I just read the whole article and I still have no idea what it is.  In other words, the article stinks at explaining SmackOff to those who aren't already familiar with it.  --204.99.19.150 (talk) 01:03, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hyperbole aside, this is a valid point.  Hopefully, I've addressed it; feel free to rewrite if necessary. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 19:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is SmackOff? 

message: Can this article and talk page be unprotected now so that unregistered users can edit and make comments? We can quickly restore protection if necessary.  --TS 20:14, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason I semi-protected it was because Rome's listeners were using the article to promote themselves for a Smack-Off and to diss competitors in that Smack-Off. Rome was reading the edits on the air, and it was only going to get worse. After protecting the article, some of it bled into the talk page, so I semi-blocked the talk page. Kingturtle (talk) 00:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  You may remember that there was a similar media-related spate of vandalism after Stephen Colbert encouraged his viewers to sneak weird statements into Wikipedia.  I guess the only way to see if the novelty has worn off is to unprotect and watch closely.  How about trying just the talk page first to see what happens? --TS 02:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Worth a shot. I'll unprotect the talk page. Kingturtle (talk) 11:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Unprotection?

message: This year in addition to the Smack Off, there will be a "play in" called the Hack Off.  Several infamous callers that have "flamed" are being invited to call in and the best will be picked to participate in the Smack Off.  The Hack Off will take place April 16, and the Smack Off will take place April 23.  Can someone please add this to the main article. Raiderbarry (talk) 02:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Smack Off/Hack Off 2010

message: 2010 winner is Vic in NoCal, not Mike in Indy.
Ssgtom21 (talk) 18:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 21:08, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Ssgtom21, 23 April 2010 

message: This article is one of a  number selected for the early stage of the trial of the Wikipedia:Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Wikipedia:Pending changes/Queue   are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.
The following request appears on that page:
Comments on the suitability of theis page for "Pending changes"  would be appreciated.
Please update the Queue page as appropriate.
Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially
Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 00:04, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pending changes

message: This article is turning into a well-written fan page. But it is developing a great deal of original research, which is not acceptable for Wikipedia. Please start adding sources to this work. The sources need to be legitimate and reliable, i.e. from books, news articles, journal articles; not from fan sites or radio show excerpts. Kingturtle = (talk) 15:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  please provide reliable, legitimate sources 

message: At some point, should we make a separate article for the Hack-Off? --JoBrLa (talk) 04:46, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Hack-Off as a separate article?