Talk:List of F5 and EF5 tornadoes

message: I am wanting to formally proposal that we do a WP:TNT on the entire possible F5/EF5/IF5 tornado list. We then hold discussions about setting community-consensus criteria about what to include or exclude from the list, similar to how we set criteria on WP:TornadoCriteria. Then we rebuild the list based on community consensus. That will easily stop debates about what to include or exclude on the list. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 02:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No need. This article has already been redone over and over. No need to take drastic measures because other editors disagreed with an addition that was made. United States Man (talk) 02:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Seconding what USM says. Honestly there will always be debates on this, regardless of which tornadoes we include or exclude. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you think this has anything to do with editors disagreeing with me? Focusing on me over the content? I proposed setting formal community criteria for the list. Since you say that is "drastic measures", are you saying no community consensus is better than a community consensus for the criteria, which currently does not exist? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 02:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

text: This was a straight proposal about setting formal criteria. Opposing this means you think there is no need to have criteria on the page. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 02:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I was under the impression that we had formal criteria, being a reliable source based on verifiable expertise explicitly stating that a tornado was or may have been F5/EF5. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Correct. United States Man (talk) 03:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. Then 2021 Western Kentucky tornado, which was added by community consensus would need to be removed as "EF5" was never stated. Please remove 1957 Dallas, 1973 Union City, 1973 Central Alabama tornado, 1999 Mulhall, 2013 Bennington, 2016 Sulphur, and 2016 Dodge City, as neither of those tornadoes had "F5" or "EF5" quoted, and were all either estimations of 200+ mph intensity or radar measurements over 200+ mph. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No opposition from me if reliable sources don't exist. United States Man (talk) 03:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose removal of all *except* 2021 Western Kentucky tornado, as a 2-3 editor discussion here shouldn't override the formal (and uninvolved closed) discussion which added it back in 2022. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the entries have reliable sources stating they are possible F5/EF5. Many entries here are included based only on mentioned wind speeds that happen to coincide with F5/EF5 speeds without a clear link being established. Those should be removed. United States Man (talk) 03:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed I have opposed such inclusions previously. I think entries that don't belong do sneak on here occasionally and it has to be pruned. I did an overhaul of this article back in 2020. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Agreed. The Minden/Harlan tornado is included based solely on tweets about radar-estimated instantaneous wind speeds and should also be removed. Penitentes (talk) 13:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Wasn't the 2021 Kentucky tornado initially rated a low-end EF5? That should stay, even though it was later downgraded. MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 12:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It was not ever rated EF5, preliminarily or otherwise. Penitentes (talk) 13:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, that's my bad. I thought the EF5 rating was brought into play. MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 13:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It was widely speculated, for sure, I can see how the memory worms in! About two-and-a-half years ago now. Penitentes (talk) 13:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: We've had so many similiar tornadoes in the 3 years since eg. (Rolling Fork, Tri-State, now Greenfield) that it's so hard to keep track of what is preliminarily assigned what. MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 14:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal - [[WP:TNT]] and restart possible F5/EF5/IF5 tornado list