Talk:Boogiepop

message: Not sure how many people are going to read this, but cannot hurt to ask. The Japanese Wikipedia entry for this series claims that it was a significant influence on the 'sekai system', which is something I have never heard of before (as a pretty hardcore otaku, that is saying something). Reading the Japanese article on what this system is, it is anime where the protagonist does/can reshape their world (eg Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu, Kono Minikuku mo Utsukushii Sekai), and apparently originated with Shinseiki Evangelion. This seems to be a genre classification we do not use in English, but if the series has had any kind of a noteworthy influence on the genre, it should be pointed out here. Does anyone know enough (anything?) about this topic to be able to include what kind of significance the Boogiepop series has had on it? Elric of Grans 00:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't sound so much like a genre as a theme. I'm trying to think of an obscure genre to liken it to but I'm at a loss. But seriously, how many anime could possibly fit into such a specific genre?--SeizureDog 03:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Japanese Wikipedia lists a few dozen, and it only seems to be listing the most significant titles that fit the format. Many big name titles fit it (Shinseiki Evangelion, Saishu Heiki Kanojo, Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu, etc). It seems to be the 'in thing' these days, so if I can find any sources I can reference on Boogiepop's influence on it, then I will have an excellent addition to the article. Elric of Grans 07:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's the Japanese article? I tried "世界システム" but that doesn't seem to be it.--SeizureDog 01:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: セカイ系. Unfortunately, there are no references here for me to use. What little of relevance it mentions would be a great addition though. Elric of Grans 01:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: According to this thread on Animesuki, セカイ系 (sekai-kei) refers to Psychology oriented "first-and-second-person-view" type anime (like Evangelion, Shoujo Kakumei Utena and Elfen Lied) where's there's only "me," "you," and "the world". Sort of a "You and Me Against the World" mentality, I'm guessing.--Nohansen 05:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sekai System

message: I have read this article, and also consulted comments on the prior peer review.  I feel this article has improved to the point that it should be considered a "good article".  The concepts, which seem somewhat complicated, are nevertheless well articulated. The article is well organized and easy to follow.  The references are well presented and seem extremely well documented. The article is neither too long nor too short, and conveys the basic concepts well without becoming sidetracked with the minute.  The article maintains NPOV when dealing with topics such as criticism, and seems to be well tempered without weasel language or any other NPOV nonconformities.  I see no evidence this article lacks stability, as a great deal of the editing has been accomplished by a small number of individuals.  My sole complaint is with the images.  These images lack reference and appear somewhat nonsequitur with the topics they border.  Perhaps I simply don't understand the connection, but a caption would really improve this ambiguity.  I understand that some images are difficult to come by, but they should generally mesh with the article, and not simply be a kind of scattered video trivia.  The exceptions to this are, of course, the portraits of the four main characters, which are obviously explained and require no captions.  Because the criteria of "good article" specifically says that images alone do not suffice to fail an article, I am passing this one with that one reservation, which I am pretty sure, given the quality of the rest of the article, the editors who have created this page will most likely have that cleared up quickly.  I feel this was a job well done!  Cheers! Chuchunezumi 05:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can understand your concerns with the images, and will conceed they may not have been the greatest of choices.  I shall see if I cannot come up with something better as I work the article up to a FA level.  Thanks for your time and comments with this article! Elric of Grans 22:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article nomination approved

message: It was later adapted into a live action film by Ryu Kaneda, a two-volume manga by Kouji Ogata and served as the inspiration for a soundtrack composed by Yuki Kajiura.
I am not entirely sure I get this. The soundtrack they're referring to is the soundtrack to the movie. Is this implying that the soundtrack was written before the movie was produced, or is it just written poorly? --user.lain 22:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Music Inspired by Boogiepop and Others was, well, inspired by Boogiepop and Others.  Kajiura Yuki used the light novel as inspiration when composing the tracks.  Yes, it is the movie soundtrack, and was released at the same time as the movie, but it was the novel that served as the inspiration, as stated. Elric of Grans 04:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Reminds me of a Music Inspired by Lord of the Rings soundtrack I listened to one time. Mind you, this was before Peter Jackson. --SeizureDog 00:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inspiration for a Soundtrack?

message: I have seen and been involved with a couple of articles recently that have changed their name from PAGENAME series to PAGENAME (series). It makes me wonder, should this page be called Boogiepop (series)? 
Examples:Suzumiya Haruhi (series), Ojamajo Doremi (series)--Squilibob 04:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be better to just have the article at "Boogiepop".--SeizureDog 04:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It makes sense to me to have this as `Boogiepop (series)' with `Boogiepop' referring to, well, Boogiepop himself.  Either could work just as well though. Elric of Grans 22:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: The article states:  Boogiepop speaks in an archaic manner, and seems fond of whistling Wagner's Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg.
What, all of it?  This opera is quite long and contains a large number of solo arias, ensembles, choruses, orchestral pieces, etc.  Does Boogiepop whistle the same tune all the time?  If so, which one? --GuillaumeTell 17:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there not a theme to the opera?--SeizureDog 23:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not just one theme, no.  Wagner worked with leitmotifs.  In this opera, there are motifs that relate to the Mastersingers, the apprentices, the idea of "Wahn" (see the Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg article), the city of Nuremberg, Walther's musical inspiration, Beckmesser's carping, and lots more. And they mutate and mingle and relate to each other ... it's not easy to explain, but there are lots of books that do the job. Rent a video of the opera and see what you think!  --GuillaumeTell 01:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, not sure exactly where I'd rent opera tapes around here. I see your point though. But still, is there not one theme that's more famous or sticks out above all of the others? I'm really of no help here since I never seen any of the Boogiepop series nor Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg. I'm sure there's a similar problem with most editors not having seen both as well. --SeizureDog 01:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Reference already corrected in the article; according to the novels, Boogiepop whistles the overture. Doceirias 05:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK.  The overture does include a lot of the main themes.  It begins with a march that is used near the end of the opera to accompany the arrival of the Mastersingers at the midsummer day celebrations, so that's probably the one.  It's motive m.01 here if anyone wants to listen to it.  The whole of the overture can be heard here (and it lasts 9 minutes!) --GuillaumeTell 10:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cfzCKNEYYA —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Doceirias (talk • contribs) 19:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wagner reference 

message: Found this info regarding sales of Boogiepop. I'll let you decide whether to run with it or not.:
"Likewise in the 90's such works as Kouhei Kadono's Boogiepop and Keiichi Sigsawa's Kino's Journey sold three 'million units'" - Anime News Service, http://www.animenewsservice.com/archives/jan07.htm Hellspawn 12:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most things I have read have stated two million, rather then three, so I am a little concerned about that figure.  I have come up with several references to that in the past.  I would like, if possible, to get some more up-to-date figures, however, that would probably be very difficult.  That point on Night Watch is very interesting, and makes me want to read it all the more, but is probably not one to be used here.  It might be worth adding it to the Kadono Kouhei page to demonstrate how the serials are linked. Elric of Grans 08:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc

message: Is Boogiepop Dual the same as Boogiepop Dual: Losers' Circus?--Nohansen 16:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Doceirias 18:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is the official English title? Because the Boogiepop template points to Boogiepop Dual: Losers' Circus. One must redirect to the other.--Nohansen 18:56, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The spine says Boogiepop Dual, but the cover and copyright page both says Boogiepop Dual: Losers' Circus. Doceirias 21:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved Boogiepop Dual to Boogiepop Dual: Losers' Circus, since that is the actual name for the manga. Hellspawn 20:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dual 

message: Which versions of Boogiepop use the Japanese naming order? Why isn't English naming order used? WhisperToMe (talk) 04:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The novels used the Japanese naming order. Doceirias (talk) 04:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now, I notice that Naruto and School Rumble use Western order. Could we use Western order for this sucker since other non-Meiji or non-historical series almost always have some adaptation with western order? WhisperToMe (talk) 04:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia MOS would suggest all articles should use Western order, regardless of why the translations may have chosen not to do so. I'm not sure I always agree with that, but if you feel like doing all the work, you could use that argument to justify it. Doceirias (talk) 04:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming orders

message: The genre field on Boogiepop Dual was recently changed from Speculative fiction to Mystery. I'm not the one who originally chose the term Speculative fiction here, so I'm guessing at the reasoning behind it, but I think it rather neatly covers the unusual nature of the series. "In some contexts, it has been used as an inclusive term covering a group of fiction genres that speculate about worlds that are unlike the real world in various important ways. In these contexts, it generally includes science fiction, fantasy fiction, horror fiction, supernatural fiction, superhero fiction, alternate history, and magic realism." Boogiepop is about half these things; sci fi, fantasy, horror, and superhero, all in one, but with a tone that doesn't really match any of them. (One thing it definitely isn't is a mystery.) I think it works pretty well. Doceirias (talk) 19:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre discussion 

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