Talk:Bull Moose Party

message: Shouldn't the title be the Bull Moose Party with the official name mentioned in the first paragraph rather than the other way around?  Every history book I've ever encountered - and large parts of this article - refer to it almost exclusively as the Bull Moose Party.  From the first paragraph, you don't even get a sense that the "nickname" was important.  I would obviously be in favor of this change, but wanted to know what everyone else thinks before changing a title.
:Regardless what it is "commonly known as", its official name is the Progressive Party, and this is how encyclopaedias and dictionaries work. Bull Moose redirects to it, though.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:4032:8700:E5ED:2044:125:7F25 (talk) 09:55, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Bull Moose Party

message: Where is the proof that Roosevelt elected Woodrow Wilson, by "allowing him" to win with a plurality of the vote? What definitive sources with EVIDENCE believe this? Also, the article cites some who said Wilson would have won 1912 anyway. I want a citation.Tallicfan20 (talk) 02:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  proof that Roosevelt elected Wilson 

message: The article's title should reflect the fact that it existed for 4 years. GoodDay (talk) 17:58, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should be called 'Progressive Party (United States, 1912-1916) 

message: then the undo could not be undo. i just wanted to make an indented quotation. sorry to the editors!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.21.106.137 (talk) 11:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:   i messed this up, sorry. 

message: After all, Taft was President through all of 1912's election campaign, indeed all of 1912, not Wilson. Wilson wasn't President until March 4th the following year. 2001:8003:4032:8700:E5ED:2044:125:7F25 (talk) 09:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't the "Electoral History / In congressional elections" show 1912 as Taft being the President? 

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message: In Vermont the progressive party is alive and well. It has a few seats in the legislature. I would update it to say it still exists Steakismeat (talk) 15:34, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Same name, different party  pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 20:37, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  It still exists 

message: Was it a third party? It was a solid second party in the 1912 presidential election. --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii (talk) 22:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: no it did very poorly in 1912 in races for Congress & legislatures. it quickly collapsed & vanished. By contrast the 2 main parties of 1912 are going strong in 2018. Rjensen (talk) 00:12, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third party. 

message: A website for the Progressive Party shows that this is still an active party, which claims direct lineage from the party of 1912
https://progressivepartyusa.com/
Should the article be updated to reflect the Progressive Party's status as a current party, or should a new article be made for this modern party?
Jade Phoenix Pence (talk) 01:12, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: nope. it's repeated claim about 1912 is false. no reliable secondary source accepts the claim.  this operation claims to be a modern charity --its website = "The Progressive Party is a non-profit, tax-exempt, 501(c)(4) charity "  and charities cannot be partisan. The IRS does not have a charity of that name says https://www.guidestar.org/search   All the RS say the Prog Party of 1912 died out. -- this group keeps its secrets--no names, no officers no email no address. and ridiculous claims about 1912. very dubious. Rjensen (talk) 02:03, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  This party still exists 

message: In the political position of the party it is mentioned that it is a centre-left to left-wing party which is in fact completely false. You see, progressivism in the US back then had nothing to do with today's progressivism and could even be described as liberal conservatism in today's world. So I am suggesting that the position of the party is changed from the one mentioned before to Centre to Centre-right. Alexispapp (talk) 20:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This article from NPR would seem to disagree with your assertion that there's a big difference between progressives of 1912 and 2020.  It never explicitly places the Progressive Party anywhere on the political axis, but it does use Theodore Roosevelt as its lead picture and concludes by placing progressives (lower case 'p') "to the left of center".  I think we need a better source to say for sure where the party belongs, though. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think TR was on the left in 1912--like most of his leading supporters. 1) John Cooper argues for a continuity from TR-1912 to FDR's liberal New Deal: "National self-sufficiency and centralized economic direction characterized the views of [Franklin} Roosevelt's most important advisors in 1933 and 1934. In personnel and inspiration the New Deal at its onset marked something of a Theodore Rooseveltian restoration." [John Milton Cooper, The Warrior and the Priest: Woodrow Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt (1983), p 350.] 2) Likewise Eric Alterman argues that "TR’s conception of “new nationalism”—the slogan for his run in 1912 as the candidate for the Progressive Party—also reflected a radical rethinking of liberalism, from which his younger cousin would later draw." Alterman in 2012  Rjensen (talk) 07:46, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: TR opposed the socialist party of Debs because it sought to destroy capitalism and private property. he did not oppose government owenership in all cases. Rjensen (talk) 00:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  position of the party 

message: The article says that the party dissolved in 2020 but doesn't provide a citation or expand on the party's dissolution in any section. Can someone provided well-sourced information on how (or if) the party came to an end?
Flameoguy (talk) 05:41, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dissolution 

message: The article says that the party dissolved in 2020 but doesn't provide a citation or expand on the party's dissolution in any section. Can someone provided well-sourced information on how (or if) the party came to an end?
Flameoguy (talk) 05:41, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dissolution