Talk:Hiram College

message: The former Western Reserve Eclectic Institute article, which was created and tagged for cleanup, now re-directs here. -- backburner001 20:04, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Reserve Eclectic Institute redirect 

message: Any chance someone can find sources that verify the information provided about President Garfield's involvement with Hiram? -- backburner001 18:28, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't hard. I followed the link to their site, did a search on Garfield and got a link to their history page, which contains test similar to our section.... --Habap 15:51, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, thanks.  I should've checked for that myself, as that is an obvious place to look.  -- backburner001 05:26, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  Now that I'm giving this article a second look, we still need to explicitly identify the sources used.  The fact that the sources were verified is good, but now let's explicitly add the source to a References and Footnotes section. -- backburner001 22:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for President James Garfield 

message: Right now, the History section of this article reads like a biography of James Garfield.  Making mention of Garfield is important, but we need to re-focus this section on the history of the school itself. -- backburner001 22:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section needs different focus 

message: removed William Bradley Kelly from notable alumni list. He was listed as "Attorney, Cuyahoga County Public Defender" which, while an important and very respectable position in a major urban area (Cleveland), does not seem to me to be particularly notable. A Google search did not return any additional evidence of notability, so, unless I am missing something, this individual probably doesn't belong on the list. Everyone else seems, at least to me, to have rather notable credentials/ accomplishments, although a few still lack their own articles. If anyone knows of any other notable-keyword alumni feel free to contribute this info.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctva08 (talk • contribs) 06:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumni notability 

message: removed two listings in the notable alumni section because their notability could not be verified by a google search. One was listed as lance peterson- physical therapist, or something like that. rather hard to achieve great notability as a physical therapist i would think, although it is a fine career. Just doesnt belong on this list. the other was listed as robert rearick- chaplain, US Navy. this would be notable enough to make the list if this person was, say, the chief of Navy Chaplains, but it appears that someone named robert f. burt currently holds that position. if anyone can present evidence that supports their notability, please feel free to do so.
Ctva08 (talk) 02:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  alumni notability continued 

message: Nice try Derr. Pro Bro Entertainment. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Classic.
Oh, and William Bradley Kelly, grandparents' achievements don't generally make one a notable alumnus, although that background about The King and I is quite interesting. 
Ctva08 (talk) 01:59, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  alumni notability continued... 

message: Following  and as per automated review, NOT and Gallery pages, the images  were removed,
--Senra (talk) 00:39, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad that some editors at the Help Desk with a lot of knowledge about the use of image galleries were able to provide clear guidance on this matter. And the guidelines seem to be pretty clear that image galleries should only be used to illustrate aspects of an article that can't be done by text, and that "a gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article". I think 1750–1775 in fashion is a great example of appropriate usage of a gallery; where it's clearly needed to illustrate something that cannot be done by words only. --76.189.106.37 (talk) 01:27, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Hey 76.189.109.155, I clearly noted how that image was relevant, not only to an individual in that section (President Oliver, Oliver Plaza), but also to the time period of history of the institution (completed in 2000) that is listed in that section. After all, it is a HISTORY section and it is much more accurate to say that the list of presidents is a timeline of the institution's history. So, that makes 2 ways that the image is relevant to that place in the article. I am sorry that you disagree with me, but now that I have PROVEN the relevance of the image, I must ask that you conduct yourself in a more reasonable manner, and refrain from reverting my RELEVANT additions. Thank you, and do enjoy your day.--Ctva08 (talk) 19:51, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As I stated in my edit summary, having a photo of a building or landmark in the "Principals and presidents" sub-section is odd and out of place. The primary History section above it already has the great 1858 photo, which is a perfect, relevant fit. The photo of Garfield et al in the list of principals/presidents is also very nice because it is not only a picture of someone on the adjacent list, but it is also a notable person. Oliver is not notable, and including a picture of a building or plaza alongside a list composed solely of names is just very odd. As I said, it's a nice photo but it simply doesn't belong. Finally, please remain civil by focusing on content, not contributors, and not shouting (with the caps). If you can get consensus here on the talk page for re-adding the Martin Common photo, that would be fine. Thanks. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 20:19, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: 76.189.109.155 Ok, fine, I can appreciate that perhaps the image is not entirely directly relevant at that place in the article. But, why is this article being singled out when Kenyon College and Denison University both have irrelevant campus images all throughout their articles? Also, the image gallery from this article was disallowed and removed, but both Vassar College and Carnegie Mellon University still have image galleries. Why are the rules different for them?--Ctva08 (talk) 21:44, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Ctva. Actually, this article isn't being singled out and the rules are definitely not different for other articles. It's just that the rules aren't being followed in the other articles. Or, to put it more simply, lots of other junk exists (see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). Wikipedia has literally thousands of college articles, and of course millions of articles overall, and the unfortunate reality is that many of them contain content that shouldn't be there. Also, historically, articles about educational institutions are particularly notorious for having problem content because they tend to attract many inexperienced editors or single-purpose accounts whose primary goal is to promote a school which they attended (or have some other personal connection). Many of them don't understand, or choose to ignore the fact, that we are writing an encylopedia and not a promotional or fan site. These realities will always exist because of course anyone is able to edit most articles. But we rely on experienced editors to remedy problems like this over the objections of all those who don't fully understand the policies and guidelines, or simply aren't aware of them. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 00:00, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martin Common image 

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