Talk:Earthcore

message: I've added full protection for three days to this after a request for semi-protection on RfPP. The IP was removing contentious material that was sourced to blogs, which I've removed for now. The editors who want to add this will have to find reliable secondary sources, per WP:SOURCES. If the dispute's resolved sooner than three days, let me know and I'll unprotect. Cheers, SlimVirgin talk|contribs 07:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've unprotected per Boing's request on my talk page. Glad things got sorted out so quickly. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 03:10, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protection 

message: I wonder if a procedural AFD process would sort out some of the issues here?  I am not familiar with the strength of The Age as a sources, but that aside, The first thing that came to mind upon reading this article was:  WP:NOTE?  David Able 17:15, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFD? 

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message: Whle the Earthcore organisation claims the 2017 event didn't go ahead in most states because of a "smear campaign", there is ABUNDANT information, from a number of artists claiming in fact they dropped out of Earthocre because they weren't paid, or even given air tickets to get to Australia. The articles explain that this in turn meant the events couldn't go ahead. According to these articles, this is the actual reason Earthcore wasn't run in most states. The Herald Sun article, for instance, mentions 32 artists, and even lists all their names.
So there are two points of view here, one from Earthcore, and one from the participating DJs/artists. There is consistent removal of the artists POV content in this section, by an editor who could be associated with Earthcore. I have reinserted this information for WP:Bal/NPOV issues. 
There are numerous articles supporting the statements from the bands saying they weren't paid, including:
*Cahill, Mikey "Earthcore Loses Many Acts on bill as artists claim promoter has not paid for flights or appearance fees" Herald Sun November 24, 2017 http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/melbourne/earthcore-loses-many-acts-on-bill-as-artists-claim-promoter-has-not-paid-for-flights-or-appearance-fees/news-story/99796582af3f4c02ddfd2fd484ba36ba
*"Earthcore company to be wound up after festival cancellations" http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/melbourne/earthcore-company-to-be-wound-up-after-festival-cancellations/news-story/f1911ba86de245cc382f524118f0b34b
*"Perths earthcore in the park music festival cancelled at the last minute over lack of ticket sales" https://thewest.com.au/entertainment/music/perths-earthcore-in-the-park-music-festival-cancelled-at-the-last-minute-over-lack-of-ticket-sales-ng-b88673005z
*"Earthcore headliner pulls out of festival they didnt even book a flight" http://themusic.com.au/news/all/2017/11/21/earthcore-headliner-pulls-out-of-festival-they-didnt-even-book-a-flight/
*"Earthcore festival cancelled many djs say werent paid" http://www.onlytechno.net/earthcore-festival-cancelled-many-djs-say-werent-paid/
*"Earthcore headliners accuse promoter of not paying them amid cancellations news" http://mixmag.net/read/earthcore-headliners-accuse-promoter-of-not-paying-them-amid-cancellations-news
*"Headlining Act abandoned Earthcore" http://inthemix.junkee.com/headlining-act-abandoned-earthcore/156492
*"earthcore-music-festival-failed-payments" https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/11/21/earthcore-music-festival-failed-payments/
*"More Acts Pull out of Earthcore questions raised about sydney event the music" Oztix News https://www.oztix.com.au/news/archive/2017/11/23/more-acts-pull-out-of-earthcore-questions-raised-about-sydney-event-themusic/
*"Caversham Earthcore Ticketholders Urged To Contact banks for refunds after organisers pull pin on event" https://www.communitynews.com.au/eastern-reporter/news/caversham-earthcore-ticketholders-urged-to-contact-banks-for-refunds-after-organisers-pull-pin-on-event/
*"Office-of-fair-trading-media-alert-cancelled-music-festival" https://www.qld.gov.au/law/laws-regulated-industries-and-accountability/queensland-laws-and-regulations/fair-trading-services-programs-and-resources/fair-trading-latest-news/media-statements/office-of-fair-trading-media-alert-cancelled-music-festival
Please do not remove this material from the controversy section, before discussing here. Also, just by the by, I have no connection to Earthcore or any other rival organisation. Just a Wikipedia editor who normally edits history articles! 
Deathlibrarian (talk) 07:25, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy Section - Bands not being paid and pulling out of Earthcore 

message: User  Fisted Rainbow has asked for the inclusion of this:
:Earthcore countered that many artists were paid and kept the fees and did not perform. http://musicfeeds.com.au/news/earthcore-festival-accuses-artists-keeping-money-refusing-play/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fisted Rainbow (talk • contribs) 02:44, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: 'If this is a reliable source, of which I am not certain, the article not only presents Earthcore's claims about artists keeping money they were given even after they pulled out of the festival, but statements from the artists saying that they weren't paid in time, which they claim is the reason they pulled out. So, each side is blaming the other, and nothing in the article is definitive, as the reporter basically did no independent investigation.  Having a little bit of knowledge about the music industry, from my experience (which is not dispositive) it is much more likely that the bands' stories are correct, and they weren't paid on time -- bands, after all, want to play, it's their reason for existence, and are unlikely to be pulling out of gigs as some sort of monetary con.  Promoters, on the other hand, are pretty much eternally short of funds, and are more likely to try to skate by and hope that everything will work out in the end - and if a couple of bands pull out, well a festival books many bands, so, them's the breaks.As I said, my personal knowledge is not controlling here, but it does lead to my opinion that if the article is included, it should only be with both sides given equal weight. The article is not a counterweight to other articles which report negative things about the festival. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:51, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I would tend to agree, its not in the personal interest of bands that are travelling from overseas to a festival to cancel at the last minute. They would have given up other jobs for that weekend, probably worth thousands, so it means they are without payment and don't have time to organise replacement work. I have included the counter, but may be will include a re-wording of it. Deathlibrarian (talk) 05:28, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for inclusion of information about Earthcore claiming artists were paid and then didn't show up