Talk:Bavarian language

message: Would Austrians (and South Tyroleans) really refer to their native dialect(s) as "Bavarian"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4C8:82E:3B42:1:1:7417:C54A (talk) 08:13, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Austria? 

message: It's a group of German dialects, that's how it's commonly seen in Germany. One can only guess why the english wikipedia tries to go with the "seperate language" angle of all views instead of the view of the native country it's actually spoken in. Divide and conquer and all that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.17.140.107 (talk) 09:06, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not true. "In contrast to many other varieties of German, Bavarian differs sufficiently from Standard German to make it difficult for native speakers to adopt standard pronunciation." Fdom5997 (talk) 22:29, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

text: Do we have any relevant sources for backing the claim that Bavarian is a language? The ISO or the Ethnologue are not reliable sources. In linguistics or dialectology, they would not be accepted. --mach 🙈🙉🙊 11:43, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please do some research yourself before throwing around linguistic expressions you're clearly not familiar with. Upper German along with Central German are the two subdivisions of High German. The adjective "high" literally refers to the mountainous higher elevation of southern Germany. Bavarian couldn't be any higher German. --2001:16B8:3172:2800:3DF6:243C:5BD:9586 (talk) 02:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bavarian is NOT a language 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Bavarian/Austrian language. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Hildeoc (talk) 18:06, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Bavarian/Austrian language" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: * [table as nativename=] , 
* [introduction] also known as Austro-Bavarian;   or 
Can these names be sourced?
* H. A. Strong, Kuno Meyer: Outlines of a History of the German Language. London, 1886, p. 74 (Google Books): Here Austro-Bavarian is only some part of Bavarian, namely "the dialects of the marches, i.e. Austria, Styria and Karinthia".
* Joshua Fishman, Ofelia Garcia (eds.): Handbook of Language and Ethnic Identity: Volume 2: The Success-Failure Continuum in Language and Ethnic Identity Efforts. Oxford University Press, 2011, p. 299: This discusses the names. German has bayerisch refering to Bayern = Bavaria (Federal State of Bavaria), and bairisch/Bairisch for the dialect spoken in parts of Bavaria and most parts of Austria. And then it goes on with:
*:: "[...] Bavarian (Bairisch) is also spoken outside Bavaria in [..] Austria, [..] South Tyrol (Südtirol),  [..] Hungary and elsewhere. [...] No Austrian would ever refer to an indigenous language of Austria as "Bavarian." In Bavaria, the vernacular is called Boarisch south of the River Danube, and Boirisch to the north thereof. In Austria, it is called by names derived from the places and regions in which it is spoken: for instance Weanerisch as spoken in Vienna (Wean in the vernacular), Steirisch in Styria, Tirolerisch in Tyrol."
: That sounds like Boarisch/Boirisch only means Bayerisch, Bavarian Bavarian, Bavarian from Bavaria, and not Bavarian (spoken in Bavaria and Austria). This gives something like:
:* Bavarian [en] = Bairisch [de] = no native name [bar]
:** Bavarian Bavarian (Bavaria Bavarian, Bavarian from Bavaria) = Bayerisch, bayerisches Bairisch = Boarisch/Boirisch
:**: [partly North and partly Middle Bavarian, but well, native or geographic terms and linguistics terms don't always fit]
:** Viennese = Wienerisch = Weanerisch
:** Styrian = Steirisch, steirisches Bairisch = Steirisch
:**: [part of South Bavarian]
:** Tyrolian = Tirolisch/Tirolerisch = Tirolerisch
:**: [part of South Bavarian]
--Naramaru (talk) 20:56, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 05:45, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Bavarian language →  – As a part of the Oberdeutsche (Upper German) dialect group, Bavarian is a dialect of the German language. Karamellpudding1999 (talk) 19:08, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 24 February 2023 

message: You have just expanded the section about the sibilants (thanks for that). According to your explanation, there are two sibilants, a fortis and a lenis. Shouldn’t those be added to the consonant table as two different phonemes? The other fortis–lenis pairs are also in the consonant table. If on the other hand the two are explained as variants of a single phoneme /s/ distinguished by consonant length, then the phonemicity of consonant length should be explained. I wonder how Bavarian grammars analyze the sibilants. --mach 🙈🙉🙊 18:50, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  One or two sibilant phonemes? 

message: how are they pronounced? 2A00:23C7:5882:8201:F057:253E:D33E:61EA (talk) 16:07, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  ea and oa sounds 

message: I noticed the area around Bozen and Meran does not denote bilingual status such as in southern Carthnia. These areas are either major Italian speaking or have a significant population in South Tyrol. The rest of the province is exclusively Austro-Bavarian dialect speaking. 99.36.9.4 (talk) 03:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  map 

message: "FC Bayern Munich website was available in Bavarian." should also have up until when it was available Dany0 (talk) 21:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  FC Bayern Munich website