Talk:Capoeira

message: As Capoeira is subject of very passionate views and even dogmas, I strongly suggest this article's edition should be limited to registered members only.
Danilolabbate (talk) 03:04, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limiting edition tool 

message: One of the media representations for capoeira is listed as the film adaptation of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, with reference to some of the students ... um, am I the only one who doesn't remember that scene? Unless someone can prove this, I think it should be removed.The Talking Toaster (talk) 11:38, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in agreement that, in-universe, it was a display of impressive physical specimens (subtext of them training mind and body), although out-of-universe, it was members of a Capoeira school performing, although it's basically just acrobatics. -Fuzzy (talk) 13:36, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harry Potter? 

message: From time to time someone messes up the historical section and writes down that Capoeira comes from Africa. Normally theese people talk about n'golo when they do it. I'm not going to start talking about how disrespectful this is to Brazilian culture, so I'm just going to stick to the facts:
- No evidence WAS EVER FOUND of any martial art resembling Capoeira in Africa.
- To that extent, no evidence of any martial art resembling Capoeira was ever found in ANY country which also received African slaves.
- African religions and influences exist in every colony that has descendants of African slaves. Candomblé, Santeria, Voodoo, Quimbanda, Umbanda, Macumba and many others. Capoeira developed EXCLUSIVELY in Brazil.
- African religions maintained the original African languages in their cerimonies. On the other hand, capoeira has always been sung exclusively in Portuguese.
- Since the 1960's, when the first mention to n'golo was made, Brazilian expeditions of African enthusiasts have been going to Angola to find evidence about n'golo and it's so called simmilarity to Capoeira. Up to now absolutely no evidence has been found.
Feel free to disagree, but unless anyone can provide EVIDENCE stronger than the facts above, it will be very hard for anyone to believe that Capoeira might come from Africa.
Apparently, some also believe that Capoeira is derived ultimately from Chinese martial arts. Some actually believe that the Chinese taught Chinese martial arts to various African peoples in Central Africa and West Africa Chinese martial arts when Zheng He came over from China in the 1400s, and then those Africans brought it to Brazil. And that's why Capoeira is seemingly so similar to Chinese martial arts. Meia lua frente, queixada, armada, martelo do chao, negativa, arpao, chute na lua, mariposa, au sem mao, au, are similar to some Chinese longfist moves. 
I'm quite skeptical of this myself. First off, there's not much evidence of the African origins of Capoeira, secondly, Mestre Bimba was most likely the one who introduced kung fu-like movements into Capoeira with the frente and quixada and armada, not in 1400s, and thirdly, Chinese longfist adopted acrobatic movements much later in its life to appeal to the public, just like Capoeira did, not in the 1400s. Also, nevermind the fact that there is no evidence of Chinese prescence in Angola or Central Africa. The closest he got was Mozambique, and Africa is a massive continent, so it's doubtful that somehow the Chinese made contact with Angolans or people of the Congo.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.98.177.232 (talk) 17:14, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Before you think about African origins, read this... 

message: I would love to know which of the names of the capoeira moves are capitalized when written within a sentence and which are not. I'm making some flash cards to help my son, who has special needs. I couldn't find any consistency on the Internet about which terms are capitalized and which are not, so I'm capitalizing everything in the same way I would capitalize a headline. For instance, I assume that "do" means something like "of," so I didn't capitalize it in "Martelo do Chao," and I won't capitalize "de" either, but I'm capitalizing everything else I'm printing up.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.207.164 (talk) 17:02, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: The beginning credit sequence of one of the old Johnny Weissmuller Tarzan films shows some tribal dance moves which look a lot like Capoeira to me, with somersaults and stuff. Of course, considering how these films were, that part was not necessarily even filmed in Africa (although I remember it looking different than the rest of the movie). Unfortunately I don't remember which of the movies it was... 62.78.251.108 (talk) 22:44, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tarzan 

message: Considering that there's already a separate article for capoeira in popular culture, shouldn't the badly written popular culture section of this article be removed? The same was done in articles like zuiquan and muay Thai. Morinae (talk) 15:32, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop culture 

message: Just quickly to mention that Capoeira has been granted UNESCO protected status http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-30219941 EdwardLane (talk) 07:34, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  granted UNESCO protected status 

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message: This article makes claims as if they were truths, without proving, and enters several times in contradiction. For example, states that "The most widely accepted origin of the word capoeira comes from the Tupi words ka'a ("jungle") e pûer ("it was"), referring to the areas of low vegetation in the Brazilian interior where fugitive slaves would hide" Where is the proof?
Ahead, states that: "A vast majority of masters recognize the art form as purely Brazilian, while certain masters have been researching for over 40 years to try and find any Capoeira link in Africa." Again without proving and later in the chapter  "Capoeira Angola" stated that the style is the oldest, being the name used since the origin of capoeira and is referred to as the closest style of their African origins (Angola is a former Portuguese colony, and the location where they were taken, the vast majority of slaves brought to Brazil).
I believe therefore that this article has no nexus, nor  coherence, and need a thorough review and a greater cohesion context.
Lara Neto Jr. (talk) 12:15, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been a long time since I contributed to the article (I've been away from Wikipedia for a long spell due to frustration with the VtD policies). I assume you're the person who put the neutrality notice on here? Honestly, yeah, the "historical" basis of Capoeira is a mess with much of it being more legend than anything else. Perhaps it would be best if we just indicate sources for the various tales? -Fuzzy (talk) 20:20, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article with several incongruities 

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message: Hello. I'm confused about the paragraph in the current article that starts with:
Having practiced capoeira and researched it, it seems like a strange assertion to me, given that 1. most movements in capoeira involve the wrists not being together, including for instance, the basic ginga position with one leg back and one forward (generally one arm is in front and one is on the side/back), and all ground movements, and 2. I've never heard or read this suggestion. No references are provided either.
I think this part should be removed, but thought I'd post here before I remove it, to see if someone has a reference for why it should be stated here as fact.
--Guyoron (talk) 23:28, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Part that talk about "wrists close together" - remove? 

message: I don't speak Portuguese, but I've done Capoeira for years with people who do. Most of them tap the "r" in the word so it sounds like a "d". It's usually a sign that someone doesn't know their stuff when they say "cap-O-WHERE-ruh instead of Cap-uh-WEY-duh. It seems to me like the phonetics on this page are wrong, but again, not a speaker of Portuguese, so I wanted to ask here of someone who does and also understand those phonetics. Thanks. DolyaIskrina (talk) 20:03, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: The article mentions that it was accepted after some 'spiritual elements' were removed from the practice.
WHAT 'spiritual' elements were there in it which were removed?
"Shortly after the abolition of slavery in Brazil in 1888, capoeira was declared illegal in 1890.[16] However, in the early 1930s, Mestre Bimba created a form of capoeira that held back on its spiritual elements and incorporated elements of jiu jitsu, gymnastics and sports.[17] In doing so, the government viewed capoeira as a socially acceptable sport." UnderEducatedGeezer (talk) 00:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spiritual elements?