Talk:Eliud Kipchoge

message: His 26:54 time over the 10Km was impressive but not a world record.  Read the whole article, it states Kipchoge had the benefit of a downhill circuit.  So the World record is not valid.  The current world record belongs to Micah Kogo.  See this .--Philipmj24 (talk) 03:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 10Km world record

message: How should his surname be pronounced? IPA in the intro would be very useful :-)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.171.85.214 (talk) 20:47, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know IPA stuff, but if someone would like to make the requested update, you may hear Kipchoge pronounce his own first and last names here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc00mDtzIJU&t=935s#t=0m43.5s and there is a wikipedia article on the surname that does not include pronunciation here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kipchoge G1729 (talk) 07:03, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's pronounced keep-choh-gay. 114.134.3.154 (talk) 02:00, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

text: The video mentioned above is a little odd in this respect as elsewhere even Eliud himself clearly pronounces Kipchoge with three syllables. See, for example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAE5ZNDf7P8. Ejdguiseley (talk) 10:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Any relation? 2001:56A:F414:D300:C9AE:698D:2596:AE1 (talk) 05:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that the surname Kipchoge is Kalenjin and this is the tribe from which most elite Kenyan runners hail (4.9 million people or 12% of population but more than 75% of Kenya's top runners according to the book The Sports Gene at p. 190), but beyond a broad tribal connection, the name does not necessarily indicate a genetic relationship, and I've not seen any evidence that there's a relationship in this case. In any case, my understanding is Eliud Kipchoge was raised by a single mother (he regards that as a hardship but not one to complain about). My understanding, which may be incorrect, is that Kalenjin surnames can merely indicate the circumstances of birth (rather than paternity as in an English naming system). For information on both Kipchoge's tribe's now legendary running ability, see the aforementioned book, chapter 12 "Can Every Kalenjin Run?". Here's a link to citations for that chapter. G1729 (talk) 21:47, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not related other than being from the same ethnic community. 114.134.3.154 (talk) 02:02, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Kipchoge Keino]]

message: In my pov, the hm split time should be mentioned (my proposition) and I'd like to explain why. I am happy for comments for or against the proposition.
His hm time was 61:29 minutes.
times 2 is > 2:02:58 hours
1 second more than the current wr.
It shows:
Even in this harsh rainy conditions, in the beginning, he gave it a try to set to a wr pace. If he makes such a time in wet conditions, what would he do in good condition?
It is much more important to include this split than all the split times for his Monza sub 2 experiment. This Monza show was not a marathon. I am glad he failed the sub 2 because if he would achieve this, stupid people would say, he ran a marathon in less than 2 hours. I don't wanna diminish Eliud Kipchoge, I just wanna emphasize the low importance of his Monza stunt. Don't get me wrong, he is the best marathon runner right now, even without a WR (my pov).
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 20:12, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kipchoge hm split time Berlin marathon 2017 

message: see: c:Category:Berlin Marathon 2018 --C.Suthorn (talk) 17:49, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  berlin 2018 record 

message: Reason: Ongoing vandalism. The article's subject has been in the news lately a lot because of his impressive Marathon World record on Sunday. I suggest a duration for the protection status for 1 week. I am one of the main contributors to the article, the page edit statistics shows I am second in authorship for the article.
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 12:49, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:32, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for a semi-protected page because of ongoing vandalism 

message: Dear Dear User:Chrissymad,
http://dailyactive.info/index.php/2018/09/17/eliud-kichoge-sends-message-of-gratitude-to-his-family/
doesn't look like a realiable source for Wikpedia.
The other one >
http://nairobiwire.com/our-team
got an editorial staff, in my pov it looks better. Do you agree?
Regards,
18:36, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: How is dailyactive.info a reliable source? What evidence is there? Nairobiwire literally states that it is a blog. In any case, even so, if we were to say that blog is RS (which i disagree,) if that's the only place such personal details are sourced, it does not belong in the article.CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:39, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source dispute between Chrissymad and Da Vinci Nanjing 

message: Dear User:Tomruen,
Times from Kipchoge's IAAF Profile as follows:
 Personal Bests
Discipline   	Perforance	Place        	Date
10 kilometers	28:11     	Utrecht (NED)	27 Sep 2009
10 kilometers	26:54     	Madrid (ESP) 	31 Dec 2006
The rules for record eligibility you'll can find here: 
Another source for his 26:54 win: 
A list of times for regular (Top of the webpage) and downhill courses: 
Are you Ok with putting back his 10k pb time as 28:11 into the article?
Regards,
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 20:23, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No I don't think so. If either PB is included, both should be included (just like IAAF does), the faster one with a note of the special conditions (downhill) as you have shown. Tom Ruen (talk) 14:43, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute as 28:11 as Kipchoge's pb for 10 km road race 

message: Dear User:Sillyfolkboy,
on 22 Sep, 2018, you included a list of Eliud Kipchog's wins into the article.
This one: Eliud_Kipchoge#Circuit_wins
I couldn't find a reliable source for your contribution, I didn't found a source at all within the article for the changes you made.
Pls prove me wrong.
Regards,
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 17:52, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Both the IAAF  and ARRS  now publish full lists of results. I added all Kipchoge's wins at notable level (e.g. excluding local cross country meets and low level track/road races). Lots of good sourcing available at the moment for long-distance runners if you're interested in expanding other articles! SFB 23:55, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Kipchoge wins 

message: Dear C.Suthorn,
thx a lot for taking this picture of Kipchoge's "like a boss" performance.
I checked the geographic coordinates for the picture you provided, these seems to be invalid. It's a location north of Berlin about 25,6 km on a straight line to Brandenburg Gate.
Regards,
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 13:19, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked up the coordinates with osm.org, then copied the numbers to the UploadWizard. After looking into the issue, I assume that the mismatch may be caused by german and english using commas and dots for opposite meanings and the UploadWizard misinterpreting data if both are present in the input field. For some time I have difficulties using the UW at all (Phab-Task unresolved) and other people experience difficulties too (which might be resolved). I have decided to use other upload options in future and given up on the UW. The correct coords for my Berlin Marathon files should be 52.52249, 13.36721 (Street address "Alt-Moabit"/"Katharina-Paulus-Straße", "John-F.-Kennedy-Haus"/"Bertha Berlin", south-west of central station (Berlin-Hauptbahnhof)). --C.Suthorn (talk) 17:13, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

text: You might want to look at https://www.bmw-berlin-marathon.com/en/race-day/course.html -> course: The picture was taken between the marked positions 6 and 7 on the map. Seconds after the picture was taken he crossed the Spree for the second time, passing this drummers  on the bridge. The picture was taken here: . It is actually a cropped screenshot of a fish eye video. I can upload the complete screen shot, if you would like to de-fish-eye it. --C.Suthorn (talk) 09:48, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

text: To me it looks so. See https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=berlin%20hauptbahnhof#map=16/52.5249/13.3697 . I do not use the Adobe products, but there is Commons:Graphic Lab, may be you will find answers there. --C.Suthorn (talk) 13:41, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

text: You can try this file: . --C.Suthorn (talk) 17:23, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geographic coordinates for picture showing Kipchoge druing the 2018 Berlin Marathon seems to be invalid 

message: Dear
Martypost,
I took a look at the additions you made to the Berlin Marathon article on 21 Sep, 2018. Your additions were reverted by Nalana4 "...overly informal and specific. This sort of info would be best left on 2018 marathon page. Language such as "epic" is out of place...."
Nalana4 did a good job, but I wouldn't neccearly say, it was too specific, because most of the time, to be specicfic is what Wikipedia is really about. First of all, everthing added to an article needs to be properly sourced.
This part sounds interesting to me:
"..."
the largest behind a new world record since the August 1958 European Championships with a gold medal time of 2:15:17.6 followed by the silver medalist in 2:20:50.6
..."
Could you please tell me, where you got this kind of information? Could you please provide a proper source?
Regards,
Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 16:41, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted additions to the Berlin Marathon Wikipedia article / "...the largest behind a new world record since the August 1958 European Championships..." 

message: The red template indicated above at top of article, should be deleted. Don't know what this is.2601:581:8000:21B0:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 (talk) 11:04, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Template: Marathon"Breaking2Nike"2:25 deletion 

message: It's widely believed that Kipchoge is actually several years older than his claimed age. This BBC story for example https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/48055305 for anyone who wants an official source. I think his date of birth should be marked as disputed.TheMathemagician (talk) 23:00, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Validity of date of birth 

message: Numerous edits today have claimed that the 1:59:40 was a new world record.  It isn't because today's event does not satisfy the conditions for a world record.  --David Biddulph (talk) 08:36, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Such a ruddy shame really. Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:02, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Still pretty bloody impressive, though! Robofish (talk) 10:00, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This should not be locked. David is correct, it is a great achievement but does not count as a record because it wasn't an open event, https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/10/12/eliud-kipchoge-breaks-two-hour-marathon-record/ , this should be mentioned in the article. Seven Pandas (talk) 12:47, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It IS mentioned in the article. Check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliud_Kipchoge#2019. And the article is locked because of numerous anonymous editors coming by and dropping in notes that aren't actually correct. So yes, it should absolutely be locked, and I'm glad it is. JimKaatFan (talk) 14:18, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vienna not a new world record 

message: In the sidebar, 
please change "Mtwara, Tandahimba District, Tanzania" to "Kapsisiywa, Nandi Distric, Kenya"
Also in the sidebar,
please change Country from "Tanzania" to "Kenya" Mhfaust (talk) 17:39, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandalism an hour or so has now been reverted.  Thanks for letting us know. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:26, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2019 

message: I would suggest to include the paragraphs regarding the Olympic Games and World Championships into the chronological order. Please consider that the sentences refering to the World Cross Country Championships in the 2002 - 2004 section, are also World Championships results.
--Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 10:05, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change structure of article 

message: I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Yes, Kipchoge ran sub-2-hours over 26.2 miles (or 42.2 km, if you prefer). Yes, this was an amazing achievement. No, this was not during a marathon. Yet a bunch of people have come to the article since the event and felt the need to add "marathon this" or "marathon that" to the 1:59:40 time. We explain in the article that Kipchoge has run in 13 marathons. There's a reason the article does not include the Breaking2 event, and doesn't include his training runs, and yes, doesn't include the Vienna event. Please leave that event as is. JimKaatFan (talk) 22:15, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vienna was not a marathon 

message: I notice that on the olympic websitehttps://www.olympic.org/rio-2016/athletics/marathon-men, his name is listed as "Eliud Kipchoge ROTICH" (their capitalization). Where does the extra name come from?  My casual googling doesn't produce any answers. Khromegnome (talk) 14:59, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Rotich appears to be his mother's last name (maiden name?). Beyond that, I can't explain, since I know nothing about Kenyan naming conventions. JimKaatFan (talk) 02:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eliud Kipchoge ROTICH 

message: I've noticed that his personal bests aren't listed beside the marathon? Is there a reason for this? They aren't hard to find, they are on his IAAF profile https://worldathletics.org/athletes/kenya/eliud-kipchoge-188307 . I don't usually edit running pages however, so i am asking here first. CBatteries (talk) 15:33, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal bests 

message: The first paragraph states that "Kipchoge has won 12 of the 13 marathons he has entered". However the list of marathons only shows 11 wins in 12 marathons. The Breaking2 and INEOS 1:59 Challenge are obviously excluded from the results.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aristodemos2008 (talk • contribs) 12:35, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of marathons won 

message: Hello an good day. Today I added his 2020 London Marathon performance to above section of article. Can someone just straighten it out. I cant figure out how to correct it so table is straight on right side. Sure it is minor correction. Thank you.2601:581:8402:1EE0:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95 (talk) 12:36, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Marathon Majors results timeline cleanup 

message: I read somewhere that he is a devout catholic. I really don't know how serious he is about his faith, but it's definitely an important part of his life. He always makes the sign of the cross after finishing a race.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.132.105.228 (talk) 17:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The importance of catholicism in his life  

message: His Tokyo marathon gold is mentioned in the lede.  However, I'm not sure why that is any more notable than Rio.  I suggest removing the mention of Tokyo from the intro summary, or alternately, mentioning Rio also.  -KaJunl (talk) 00:19, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede summary - Tokyo Olympics 

message: " and does not own four out of the five fastest marathon times in history."
If this is an accurate statement, why is it included? that's rather broad and odd... I mean I dont own four out of the five fastest times either! — Sarge (talk) 18:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fastest Times