Talk:Zulfiqar (tank)

message: The last section of the article cites an openly biased source of information. As the information (10km effective cannon rage) is not verifiable by any reputable sources of info on the matter (Jane's, FAS, OnWar), I'm tossing it. (USMA2010 02:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: This article is a joke right?  Icelandic Intelligence?  Derived from M1A2s from Iraq?  Nevermind that Iraq and Iran didn't get along (maybe because of the Iran-Iraq war), the US Army didn't field M1A2s in Desert Storm, they only had M1A1s.  And don't tell me that Iran has secretly taken M1A2s from Iraq now.  I'm not doubting the existance of an Iranian derivative of the T-72/M48/M60, but this article is ridiculous.  A 10 km effective cannon range?  Thats 2.5 times what the US army claims an M1A2 can hit. Dx87 09:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: M1 Abrams destroyed and counted as hard kill in Iraq (as in they can't even operate anymore), are removed from the field and sent back to the united states to be "recycled", where the tank hulls are either melted down or restored to make a brand new tank. There is no possible way Iranian or Iraqi military personel could have run off with a 70 ton wreck that easily considering neither had the manpower to do so. AloDuranium (talk) 21:24, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have no idea 

message: Can somebody translate it into English? (I presume it stands for something else...)  Trekphiler 13:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It stands for Zulfiqar. Raoulduke47 14:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zulfiqar who? 

message: Where is the proof that Zolfaghar conforms to WP:COMMONNAME better than Zulfiqar? A google search on "Zulfiqar tank" gives ~2,500 results as opposed to ~180 for "Zolfaghar tank", while a google book search gives 6 to 1. Also, Jane's, an authoritative English source, calls it the Zulfiqar. Hohum (talk) 04:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say move this page to Zulfiqar (tank). I just did some work on the Zulfiqar disambiguation page, so in anticipation of your title change, I used the aforementioned spelling on that page.—DMCer™ 06:19, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This tank is an Iranian tank. Right? So the name has to be Persian. There is no such things as Zulfiqar, Zolfikar ... in Persian. The correct name is Zolfaghar and that's the name which also the Iranian Army uses. The other names and specially Zulfiqar are really stupid in Persian. If you want the people to laugh when they see this article and make jokes about it, then change its name to Zulfiqar! The other names are nothing but mispronunciation of Zolfaghar by non-Persians and specially English speaking people.--Professional Assassin (talk) 08:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Professional Assassin, please acquaint yourself with WP:COMMONNAME. The English wikipedia prefers to use the most common English name, which may not be your preferred transliteration from Persian, even if the Iranian Army has a favoured transliteration to English. As such, please move the page back as it was. Hohum (talk) 12:12, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Names are copyrighted. You can not change a Tank's name only because you think it SOUNDS better in English. The only eligible organization to define this tank's name is the Iranian Army who owns and has designed this tank. I won't let you move the page back to Zulfiqar because it is a gross violation of Iranian Army's copyright.--Professional Assassin (talk) 13:51, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Complete nonsense. Adhere to WP:COMMONNAME. It's not because it sounds one way or the other, it's because it's the common English name for it, which I have provided ample proof of. Copyright isn't even an issue. Hohum (talk) 21:10, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. Copyright isnt even an issue is truly a complete nonsense as you said. You are not allowed here to change the copyrighted and well established names by owners. However you can make a sub-topic in the article and describe common English, Polish, Spanish, Arabic ... names in it if you want.--Professional Assassin (talk) 21:35, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Names and brands cannot be :copyrighted, Prof. You may be confusing copyright and :trademark; but the idea that a combat vehicle name is trademarked comes across rather oddly (not saying it's impossible, but ). --Orange Mike  |  Talk 16:39, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the move back, and to Hohum, for requesting the assistance.—DMCer™ 05:27, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have moved the three available images (that appear in this article as well) on Commons according to the conclusion of this discussion. --High Contrast (talk) 20:57, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article rename to Zolfaghar 

message: Just a quick question. Is there any real need for this tank to be located in the T72 section of tanks? If there's a section for T-72's, there needs to be one for the Patton series of tanks, considering there are so many variants of them as well. Might as well add one for the T-55 too. AloDuranium (talk) 05:19, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  In T-72 section? 

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