Talk:The Amazing Race

message: It's getting really confusing. Kartoffel 07  13:31, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand how every time I make a change without discussing it, I get yelled at (usually by Ryulong) and instantly reverted. But if Ryulong, ApprenticeFan or others make changes without discussing them, then everyone just accepts them and doesn't question them. Why exactly are we moving some but not all of the Roadblock/Detour symbols before the location names exactly? Shadow2 (talk) 01:10, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the clue comes before traveling to those locations.—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What's your opinion on the matter, Kartoffel? Shadow2 (talk) 23:33, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Could we please decide on a concrete way on how to write these legs

message: The article lists the prize money for the upcoming season that premieres Sunday as two million dollars, but from what I've been able to glean, this apparently is only awarded if a very specific criterion is met, otherwise it's still one million. Anyone know the details on this? ProfessorTofty (talk) 01:14, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It should remain 1 mill.  Irregardless of the situation, the winning team is assured $1M at the end of the race. The bonus $1M (to get to $2M) requires that that team also have been first on Leg 1 - its most a bonus than affirmed prize money. --MASEM (t) 01:46, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Got it, thanks. Fixed it on the article. ProfessorTofty (talk) 03:41, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: While this is true it shouldn't be removed from the page.—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:03, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but for all purposes, the prize money is still only $1M. The way it is given in the table makes it look like it is $2M, which is only true in one situation. Footnotes like this should be used for the exception, not the rule. --MASEM (t) 04:22, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prize Money - New Season 

message: I'd like to make a point of order about unaired Roadblocks and the Roadblock tally. I believe that there is no reason we should not include unaired Roadblocks in the tally if we know a certain contestant performed them. 
For example, we do not include the First Roadblock of the first season because we have footage of some teams completing it, but not all of them (We don't see Pat & Brenda or Matt & Ana completing it). However, it is my belief that, of the teams we do know, we should still include them in the tally. It's information we have, and it's information we should be communicating to the reader.
Now some of you may want to respond, "but we shouldn't do that because we want consistency. We want to keep everything balanced." or something like that. However, I would like to direct your attention to The Amazing Race en Discovery Channel 2. In this season, many teams were not shown completing the Roadblock on leg 1, and one team was not shown completing it on leg 3. And yet, we still include these Roadblocks in the tally.
So why the inconsistency? If a team is not shown completing the Roadblock, I completely understand not including them. We can't just guess. But if we do know who completed it, we should include it. It should be our mission to relay as much information as possible. If a season has unaired Roadblocks, we can still include a footnote at the top of the Roadblock tally table, saying something like "This tally may be incomplete due to an unaired Roadblock" or something similar. Or perhaps we could have some sort of superscript symbol (like *) next to any team that has an unknown.
(By the way, I'm completely obsessed with TAR and have collected a lot of data about the show, so if we decide to do this, I'll gladly be the one to update all the tables)
Shadow2 (talk) 23:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can reliably source the information about these unaired roadblocks, then by all means. If not, then don't bother.—Ryulong (琉竜) 06:07, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unaired Roadblocks 

message: Before:
* Lisbon (Fábrica Sant'Ana (Cerâmica Artistica) or Padrão dos Descobrimentos)
After:
* Lisbon 
**Tiles (Fábrica Sant'Ana (Cerâmica Artistica))
**Miles (Padrão dos Descobrimentos)
During the previous proposal to change how Detours are reflected in the itinerary, a comment was brought up regarding redundancy. I believe this new method will eliminate this, as we will no longer need to specify which destination each Detour takes place at in the prose. Thoughts? Shadow2 (talk) 18:25, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think this will work well. We don't really refer to the names of the other tasks in the "itinerary". And prose is supposed to exist for a reason.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:01, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Ryulong here. And if the task locations are significantly different, that should be mentioned in the prose. (eg For "Tiles", teams traveled to Fábrica Sant'Ana to ... ; for "Miles", teams traveled to ..." --MASEM (t) 19:22, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What other tasks have names? This obviously isn't meant to eliminate the prose completely, but rather to simplify it just a bit so that we're not repeating redundant information. This method more clearly outlines which task took place where. Shadow2 (talk) 19:53, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Roadblocks technically have names.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:55, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not reeeeally, but it doesn't matter. The Roadblocks are fine as they are Shadow2 (talk) 20:33, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detour Proposal 

message: Ryulong, I don't understand why you are insisting on adding the bolded phrase to the "Stripped of money and belongings" section:
:In seasons five through nine, the last team to check in was stripped of all their money and were not given any money at the start of the next leg, forcing that team to literally beg for money from the local population of the city they were in for such expenses as cab, bus or train fare. In addition, from seasons seven through nine, these teams would also be forced to give up all their bags, leaving them with only the clothes on their backs and the fanny-pack teams use to carry their passports and Race documentation; this last penalty caused many teams, thinking themselves to be in last place, to wear as much clothing as possible before checking in, or in some instances wear ridiculous outfits to remain in the game.
I've been undoing it because it would not make much sense to someone who doesn't know much about the show (What kind of ridiculous outfits? How would wearing these outfits allow them to remain in the game?). But more importantly, I'm undoing it because the addition is completely wrong. Only one team (the sentence as constructed claims "many teams") ever attempted anything like this; in that case, not only were Brian & Greg not likely doing it as a legitimate race strategy (as I pointed out in the revert, they were more likely doing it to be weird, humorous, and memorable), it didn't keep them from getting eliminated.
When you twice put the phrase back into the paragraph, you "recalled" the Paolo family in Family Edition as a team that did this. You're wrong. Thinking they were in last place, the Paolos (and the Bransens, who actually were in last place) put on as much of their own clothing as they could before checking in, so that it would all be "on their back" and not taken away if the leg was non-elimination. They looked ridiculous, yes, but that's not the same as "wearing ridiculous clothing" (they were wearing normal clothing in a ridiculous fashion) and they weren't doing it "to stay in the game", they were trying to exploit a loophole about what they could keep if they weren't eliminated. This strategy ("this last penalty caused many teams, thinking themselves to be in last place, to wear as much clothing as possible before checking in") is already covered in the section. The phrase you want to add implies something completely different. Jedzz (talk) 15:17, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I certainly recall that prior to being eliminated, one of the teams on the Family Edition wore unconventional clothing that they had with them in order to jokingly request not to be eliminated. But fine, have it your way.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 16:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stripped of money and belongings 

message: Since Ryulong working on the new race summary section format started from The Amazing Race 25 and even thinks that both Detour, Roadblock, Additional tasks, Special tasks (Fast Forward, Intersection, Speed Bump) were merged to a bigger sentence and has more intensively on his work. When my talk page was notified about Amazing Race summaries section, here's the example from the second leg of TAR1 (without photos):
====Before====
In this leg's Fast Forward, a team had to whitewater raft along the treacherous rapids of the Zambezi River with Bundu Adventures. They then had to locate the Fast Forward clue. In this leg's Detour, teams chose between Near and Far. In Near, teams went to Mosi-oa-Tunya National Park to photograph three hard to find animals from a list. In Far, teams had to go to Chobe National Park to photograph a single elephant. In the first aired Roadblock of the series, one team member had to take the stairway up to the second level of the Eiffel Tower and use a ₣10 coin to operate a telescope. The teammate had to search the Parisian skyline using the telescope to spot the team's next destination, marked with a Race flag.
;Additional task
* At Mukuni village, Teams take part in a traditional welcome ceremony for honored guests. The ceremony involved meeting the village chief (who would spit on them) as well as viewing and participating a tribal dance. Teams then gave the village chief the photographs they took during the Detour, and in return received a miniature of the Eiffel Tower as the only clue to their next destination.
====After====
At the Pit Start, teams were informed to travel to Songwe Museum with 100 yards from the check point and were instructed about a clue to Bundu Adventures in Zambezi River. Upon arriving in Bundu Adventures, teams had to whitewater raft down to a treacherous rapids down to the Zambezi River to locate the Fast Forward clue or find the regular route info clue, which is a Detour, allowing them to choose between Near and Far. In Near, teams had to go to Mosi-oa-Tunya National Park  away and had to photograph three hard to find animals from a list. In Far, teams had to go to Chobe National Park in nearby Botswana, which was  farther and photograph a single elephant. After the Detour, teams had to send these photographs to Mukuni Village. Once there, teams had to take part in a traditional welcome ceremony for honored guests. The ceremony involved meeting the village chief (who would spit on them) as well as viewing and participating a tribal dance. Teams then gave the village chief the photographs, and they also gave a miniature model of the Eiffel Tower in Paris, their next destination, where they told to instruct for the series' first aired Roadblock, on which one team member had to take the stairway up to the second level of the Eiffel Tower and use a ₣10 coin to operate a telescope while the other team member had to search the skyline using the telescope to spot for the leg's Pit Stop, Arc de Triomphe, with a marked Race flag.
===Between Fast Forward and U-Turn===
Again, here's an another example from leg 9 of TAR16 where it includes the U-Turn (it was being introduced in TAR12):
====Before====
In the only Fast Forward of the race, one team made their way to the Singapore Flyer where they would have to climb out of one observation pod at the top of the  Ferris wheel and then cross a ladder to the next pod over where their next clue directly to the Pit Stop was being held. For this Leg's Detour, teams chose between Pounding The Drums and Pounding The Pavement. In Pounding The Drums, teams traveled to Speakers' Corner and learned a complex drum routine for a lion dance performance. Once they had played it to their young instructor's approval, they then performed the routine with a lion dance troupe on a nearby stage for their next clue. In Pounding The Pavement, teams traveled to an open area in Rochor Road where they had to gather supplies – chairs, an umbrella, a loaf of bread, wafers, and 10 boxes of ice cream – and then find a marked ice cream cart to sell 25 Singapore-style ice cream sandwiches for S$1 a piece to receive their next clue. In this leg's Roadblock, one team member had to inspect an anchor chain by counting the number of links in the chain, while dealing with the noise created by the other workers at the port and announcements being read through a loudspeaker. When they gave the right number (521) on a clipboard to the dock manager, they would receive their next clue.
;Additional tasks
*At the Victoria Theatre and Concert Hall, teams had to find Allan Wu, host of The Amazing Race Asia, who would give them their next clue.
*After the Detour, teams were instructed to find the U-Turn and their next clue at the intersection of their "last pit stop city" and Orchard Road. This clue sent them to Istana Park, located at the intersection of Penang Road and Orchard Road.
*At Sentosa, teams rode the MegaZip, a  long zip-line. After unharnessing from the MegaZip, teams received their next clue.
====After====
At the start of the leg, teams were told to travel to Kuala Lumpur by bus, and then they headed by train to Singapore. Upon arrival, teams had to head to Victoria Theatre and Concert Hall and find Allan Wu, host of The Amazing Race Asia, who would give them their next clue: a Fast Forward and the Detour. The Fast Forward required teams to head to Singapore Flyer, they would have to climb out of one observation pod at the top of the  Ferris wheel and then cross a ladder to the next pod over where their next clue directly to the Pit Stop was being held. The Detour was a choice between Pounding The Drums or Pounding The Pavement. In Pounding The Drums, teams traveled to Speakers' Corner and learned a complex drum routine for a lion dance performance. Once they had played it to their young instructor's approval, they then performed the routine with a lion dance troupe on a nearby stage for their next clue. In Pounding The Pavement, teams traveled to an open area in Rochor Road where they had to gather supplies – chairs, an umbrella, a loaf of bread, wafers, and 10 boxes of ice cream – and then find a marked ice cream cart to sell 25 Singapore-style ice cream sandwiches for S$1 a piece to receive their next clue. The clues sent teams to Istana Park to find the U-Turn at the intersection of the "last pit stop city" between Orchard Road and Penang Road where their next clue, sending them to ASL Marine Shipyard for the Roadblock. One team member had to inspect an anchor chain by counting the number of links in the chain, while dealing with the noise created by the other workers at the port and announcements being read through a loudspeaker. When they gave the right number (521) on a clipboard to the dock manager, they would receive their next clue. The clue directed the teams to Sentosa and they rode the MegaZip, a  long zip-line. After unharnessing from the MegaZip, teams received their next clue, sending them to Marina Barrage for the Pit Stop.
===Continuous summaries on writing Fast Forward and Speed Bump descriptions===
With the redundancy of recent changes of rewriting the whole summaries, and here is again from the 10th leg of TAR20:
====Before====
For their Speed Bump, Mark and Bopper had to paint a tiger's face on the belly of a Puli Kali dancer before receiving their next clue. For the Fast Forward, teams had to take part in a traditional good luck ritual: shaving their head. This was a Switchback to a Fast Forward in The Amazing Race 7, when Uchenna and Joyce shaved their heads and ultimately won their season. In this Leg's Roadblock, one team member had to spin  of rope made from coconut husks, then spool 4 other rope bundles onto a spindle in order to receive their next clue. This Leg's Detour was a choice between Pachyderm and Pack a Box. In Pachyderm, teams had to properly decorate an elephant with a headdress and golden ornaments, then transport 15 wheelbarrow loads of elephant manure to a nearby truck, before receiving their next clue. In Pack a Box, teams headed to a ginger processing center, collected 10 empty boxes, filled them with ginger that they sifted to measure to the right weight, then stenciled a label on each box. Once the distribution manager was pleased with their work, he would give them their next clue.
;Additional tasks
*Upon arriving at Daiva Vili Bhagvathi Kshetram, the head priest would bless teams before giving them their next clue.
*After the Roadblock, teams had to go to Fort Kochi where they had to look for a "barber under an ancient tree" for their next clue.
====After====
At the start of the leg, teams were headed to Daiva Vili Bhagvathi Kshetram, where they encountered the head priest would bless the teams before giving the next clue: the Speed Bump, the Fast Forward and a route info clue. For their Speed Bump, Mark and Bopper had to paint a tiger's face on the belly of a Puli Kali dancer before receiving their next clue. The Fast Forward required teams headed to Mutharamman Devasthanam Hindu temple and they had to take part in a traditional good luck ritual: shaving their head. This was a Switchback to a Fast Forward in The Amazing Race 7, when Uchenna and Joyce shaved their heads and ultimately won their season. The route info clue where teams directed them to Pattanacaud Coir Mats and Matting for the Roadblock. One team member had to spin  of rope made from coconut husks, then spool 4 other rope bundles onto a spindle in order to receive their next clue, sending them to Fort Kochi where they had to look for a "barber under an ancient tree" for their next clue: the Detour, choosing between Pachyderm or Pack a Box. In Pachyderm, teams had to properly decorate an elephant with a headdress and golden ornaments, then transport 15 wheelbarrow loads of elephant manure to a nearby truck, before receiving their next clue. In Pack a Box, teams headed to a ginger processing center, collected 10 empty boxes, filled them with ginger that they sifted to measure to the right weight, then stenciled a label on each box. Once the distribution manager was pleased with their work, he would give them their next clue. Both clues directed teams to Vypin on a Cheena vala fishing nets for the Pit Stop.
Noted that there are information on how the leg started, travel to a destined location and the Pit Stop of the Race, with the new Race tradition to use in Wikipedia, it may be good for English readers. ApprenticeFan work 09:51, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New race summary format 

message: With the redundancy of recent changes of rewriting the whole summaries, and here is again from the 10th leg of TAR20:
====Before====
For their Speed Bump, Mark and Bopper had to paint a tiger's face on the belly of a Puli Kali dancer before receiving their next clue. For the Fast Forward, teams had to take part in a traditional good luck ritual: shaving their head. This was a Switchback to a Fast Forward in The Amazing Race 7, when Uchenna and Joyce shaved their heads and ultimately won their season. In this Leg's Roadblock, one team member had to spin  of rope made from coconut husks, then spool 4 other rope bundles onto a spindle in order to receive their next clue. This Leg's Detour was a choice between Pachyderm and Pack a Box. In Pachyderm, teams had to properly decorate an elephant with a headdress and golden ornaments, then transport 15 wheelbarrow loads of elephant manure to a nearby truck, before receiving their next clue. In Pack a Box, teams headed to a ginger processing center, collected 10 empty boxes, filled them with ginger that they sifted to measure to the right weight, then stenciled a label on each box. Once the distribution manager was pleased with their work, he would give them their next clue.
;Additional tasks
*Upon arriving at Daiva Vili Bhagvathi Kshetram, the head priest would bless teams before giving them their next clue.
*After the Roadblock, teams had to go to Fort Kochi where they had to look for a "barber under an ancient tree" for their next clue.
====After====
At the start of the leg, teams were headed to Daiva Vili Bhagvathi Kshetram, where they encountered the head priest would bless the teams before giving the next clue: the Speed Bump, the Fast Forward and a route info clue. For their Speed Bump, Mark and Bopper had to paint a tiger's face on the belly of a Puli Kali dancer before receiving their next clue. The Fast Forward required teams headed to Mutharamman Devasthanam Hindu temple and they had to take part in a traditional good luck ritual: shaving their head. This was a Switchback to a Fast Forward in The Amazing Race 7, when Uchenna and Joyce shaved their heads and ultimately won their season. The route info clue where teams directed them to Pattanacaud Coir Mats and Matting for the Roadblock. One team member had to spin  of rope made from coconut husks, then spool 4 other rope bundles onto a spindle in order to receive their next clue, sending them to Fort Kochi where they had to look for a "barber under an ancient tree" for their next clue: the Detour, choosing between Pachyderm or Pack a Box. In Pachyderm, teams had to properly decorate an elephant with a headdress and golden ornaments, then transport 15 wheelbarrow loads of elephant manure to a nearby truck, before receiving their next clue. In Pack a Box, teams headed to a ginger processing center, collected 10 empty boxes, filled them with ginger that they sifted to measure to the right weight, then stenciled a label on each box. Once the distribution manager was pleased with their work, he would give them their next clue. Both clues directed teams to Vypin on a Cheena vala fishing nets for the Pit Stop.
Noted that there are information on how the leg started, travel to a destined location and the Pit Stop of the Race, with the new Race tradition to use in Wikipedia, it may be good for English readers. ApprenticeFan work 09:51, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Continuous summaries on writing Fast Forward and Speed Bump descriptions

message: At the start of the leg, teams were headed to Daiva Vili Bhagvathi Kshetram, where they encountered the head priest would bless the teams before giving the next clue: the Speed Bump, the Fast Forward and a route info clue. For their Speed Bump, Mark and Bopper had to paint a tiger's face on the belly of a Puli Kali dancer before receiving their next clue. The Fast Forward required teams headed to Mutharamman Devasthanam Hindu temple and they had to take part in a traditional good luck ritual: shaving their head. This was a Switchback to a Fast Forward in The Amazing Race 7, when Uchenna and Joyce shaved their heads and ultimately won their season. The route info clue where teams directed them to Pattanacaud Coir Mats and Matting for the Roadblock. One team member had to spin  of rope made from coconut husks, then spool 4 other rope bundles onto a spindle in order to receive their next clue, sending them to Fort Kochi where they had to look for a "barber under an ancient tree" for their next clue: the Detour, choosing between Pachyderm or Pack a Box. In Pachyderm, teams had to properly decorate an elephant with a headdress and golden ornaments, then transport 15 wheelbarrow loads of elephant manure to a nearby truck, before receiving their next clue. In Pack a Box, teams headed to a ginger processing center, collected 10 empty boxes, filled them with ginger that they sifted to measure to the right weight, then stenciled a label on each box. Once the distribution manager was pleased with their work, he would give them their next clue. Both clues directed teams to Vypin on a Cheena vala fishing nets for the Pit Stop.
Noted that there are information on how the leg started, travel to a destined location and the Pit Stop of the Race, with the new Race tradition to use in Wikipedia, it may be good for English readers. ApprenticeFan work 09:51, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
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message: I propose we go with a more consistent naming of articles that can be utilized for all the international versions. Plus, it would fit with all the other television series articles on Wikipedia.
The simple format is: Show Name (season x)
This helps clean up the problematic and inconsistent article titles for the foreign adaptions:
Main Page: The Amazing Race (Latin America)
*The Amazing Race en Discovery Channel 1 -> The Amazing Race (Latin America season 1)
*The Amazing Race en Discovery Channel 2 -> The Amazing Race (Latin America season 2)
*The Amazing Race 3 (Latin America)  -> The Amazing Race (Latin America season 3)
*The Amazing Race 4 (Latin America)  -> The Amazing Race (Latin America season 4)
and so on..
Main Page: The Amazing Race Vietnam
*The Amazing Race Vietnam 2012 -> The Amazing Race Vietnam (season 1)
*The Amazing Race Vietnam 2013 -> The Amazing Race Vietnam (season 2)
My main concern is that the number implies that, for example, "The Amazing Race 1" is the name of the show. The number could mean just about anything. This proposal seems a lot more clearer to understand and can be applied to all the international versions. Furthermore, if you looked at how the Latin American seasons are titled, you'd think they were two completely different television shows. Regards. --Kartoffel 07  16:45, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that the show itself is not broadcasted as seasons but on cycles, and particularly when the show itself in the various all-stars or switchbacks often use "TAR #" (and not "season #"). --MASEM (t) 18:17, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: At some point, someone decided that for No-Rest Legs (Ie, ones where the Leg number is underlined, Season 29 Leg 5, where teams don't get a rest period at the Pit Stop), we would start Underlining the team that came in last place. Why is this necessary? There is absolutely no penalty or change associated with this team, unlike being Eliminated or being Saved on a Non-Elimination leg with a penalty. Anyone with the most basic sense of math is able to see that 7th is the lowest number for seven teams, so obviously they came in last place. As it stands now, this just adds unnecessary scribbles to the results table. 96.48.238.205 (talk) 00:49, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is This Really Necessary? - No-Rest Leg Placement Indicator 

message: It was decided by certain editors that if a Roadblock/Detour clue was picked up at a prior location to where the task takes place, then the icon would be placed behind the location name instead of in front of it. Why is this necessary information? The icon should be used to indicate where the task took place. It doesn't matter where the clue was picked up. That's information that can be obtained from the prose below. Furthermore, nothing on the pages currently explains to readers what the difference is. The only reason I know this is because of reading talk pages. It looks very inconsistent, messy and somewhat unprofessional. 96.48.238.205 (talk) 00:51, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry but I don't see how information on where the clue was picked up can be obtained from the prose below. Take Leg 4 of The Amazing Race 24 as an example. Nowhere in the prose does it indicate that the Detour clue was picked up at the location prior rather than the location of the task itself. I feel that adding a line that goes "The Roadblock/Detour clue was picked up at XXX" to the prose adds unnecessary bulk to it, especially when it is easier to summarize such information by the position of the icon. Penguin407 (talk) 02:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, but I still don't see why it's relevant. What difference does it make if the clue was picked up here or there? The TASK took place at X location, and that's what's important. 96.48.238.205 (talk) 03:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is This Really Necessary? - Inconsistent RB and DT icons 

message: Hi guys, I thought I'd post here rather than on an individual articles, but I'd like to do some work on the season articles for TAR and potentially send them to GAN. I think they all need an awful lot of work, specifically the amount of CRUFT in the articles, such as the episode titles lists and the in-depth episode coverage, which could be summarised a lot. Does anyone mind me picking a season and working my way through to improve it to a point it is worth nominating? 
I know there is a lot of articles such as these, so I wanted to let my intentions be known before making the changes. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:36, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll note that the episode title quotess are not cruft, as they are used as, well, episode titles (if you look at the years when TAR was up for the Emmys, those titles will be referenced). I do agree that the leg descriptions have gotten long in tooth - when I was originally doing them, they were meant to highlight the world locations - something encyclopedic - over the specific tasks, but that's seems to have been flipped around. We still want to briefly touch on tasks, but we don't need explicit details of each one. --Masem (t) 16:41, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not the episode titles themselves are CRUFT per-se, but a section highlighting them with little context is. My suggestion would be to summarise the episodes better and include the information on the episode titles and prizes within them. The other suggestion I had was to have a section for the course, explaining the locations and tasks and such (summarised and less images), and another for the race, with more of a summary of the antics of the racers such as who was eliminated etc. There is a plethora of exit interviews with the cast. I think the information for the filming and stuff is generally in very good nick. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:50, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  GAN season articles 

message: The list of various international seasons bothers me, because it ignores basic numerical order. For example, TAR Australia is listed as "1, 2, 4, 5 [...] 3". I know this is because some versions are different, more special versions of the show, but it really makes things so awkward when the numbers are listed out of order like this. Isn't there a better way of doing this?
And also, I disagree with the 4th season of TAR Latin America being migrated over to the "Brazil" section. Now there's a random 4th season floating next to Brazil, and the actual Latin America section is just inexplicably missing the number 4. Shadow2 (talk) 00:03, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seasons list 

message: I've made four requests now to talk about this on a talk page, but they've all been ignored completely, so I guess I'll try again. WHY do we have to awkwardly shuffle the icons such as Detour and Roadblock to either before or after the task locations? It looks really awkward, unprofessional and unappealing to look at. Coverage is important, but does it really fall within the scope of things here to determine whether the Roadblock clue was picked up here or there? Either way, the team has to travel to the task site, it makes no difference if they got the clue there or beforehand. I would really like it if we could just simply use the icons to dictate what task took place where. Shadow2 (talk) 00:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would tend to agree: this level of detail is confusing and unnecessary for WP. Inclusion of the icon is helpful to know where an RB or Detour was done or located, but whether it was before or after arrival makes little difference to our readership. --Masem (t) 00:34, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Before and After Icons 

message: Are screenshots of specific scenes/tasks still necessary? I can see screenshots of rivals competing each other in either a Road Block or a Fast Forward. But I can already understand the rules even without screenshots. I am not confident that they comply with WP:NFCC#8. But I can stand corrected. George Ho (talk) 18:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, these really don't meet WP:NFCC. I would recommend them being nominated for deletion. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think those are mine from my more naive days as an editor and I would agree they are likely not necessary at this point. Enough free images of crew and contestants and mockups of race elements that'll work for this. Only need the non-free title card/logo for it. --Masem (t) 19:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  :Image:Tar-7-roadblock.jpg and :image:Tar-s1-ff.jpg are removed. You can delete them if able to. --George Ho (talk) 19:41, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There is technically no allowance for CSD of orphaned images but I have tagged them DI-orphaned so they should be automatically dealt with in 7 days. --Masem (t) 19:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current screenshots 

message: And all the flags are gone. In this section, find a way to bring them back. 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:400A:A610:D0C0:B3D7 (talk) 03:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Everybody keeps quoting MOS:FLAGCRUFT. I have looked at MOS:FLAGCRUFT. What listed there is reason for removing these from the Race pages? We are not emphasizing a thing or person's nationality unnecessarily, as the flags represent the countries themselves as a whole, much like one would see on an Olympics page. We are not using a flag because a picture of someone is unavailable. We're not using subnational flags except for cases such as Hong Kong (and sufficient argument can be made for their use in areas such as the Family Edition), and we're not using Supernational flags. We're not rewriting history, hence why we use the old "White circle" design of the Malawi flag on TAR19 even though that one is no longer used. And finally, this has nothing to do with genocide, and it is not a disambiguation page. So why is everyone citing MOS:FLAGCRUFT? Care to weigh in  ? Shadow2 (talk) 01:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the country sponsoring the race? No. Is the racer a direct agent of the country? No. So what you have is flags used as decoration, which is not allowed. Binksternet (talk) 03:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Per what, exactly? Certainly not MOS:FLAGCRUFT. Shadow2 (talk) 07:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: MOS:WORDPRECEDENCE says that in cases "where the subject actually represents that country or nationality – such as military units or national sports teams", the flag is appropriate. Participants in the TV show Amazing Race are not representing their country in an official capacity. It's just a TV show, not an international competition like the Olympics. Binksternet (talk) 14:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The show itself represents the various countries to visit, as it is a travel-centric show. Each episode features extensive representation of a different country, including its people locations and cultures. MOS:WORDPRECEDENCE does not specify anything that would prohibit flag usage on these pages, but rather just areas where they might possibly be used. MOS:WORDPRECEDENCE also states "In lists or tables, flag icons may be relevant when such representation of different subjects is pertinent to the purpose of the list or table itself.". On this particular page we have a table detailing various versions of the show from different countries, being that each version is represented by a different country. Furthermore, on all the series pages we have tables specifically detailing which countries have been visited, which fits this statement just as well.  Shadow2 (talk) 02:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ANSWER, GODDAMNIT 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:9C4C:1DD6:DE9D:5241 (talk) 02:06, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags 

message: As mentioned above, we've added underlines to teams who arrive in last place on No-Rest ("Keep on Racing") legs, for example writing 11th for Jet & Cord on the first leg of Season 18. This is completely unnecessary and tells the reader nothing except that they arrived in last place...which is already accomplished by the fact that it says "11th". The note at the bottom of the table about "Underlined leg numbers" can still retain the information about not needing a Speed Bump, but there shouldn't be an indicator on the table that doesn't accomplish anything extra. @User:Xoruz @user:ApprenticeFan 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:1D22:1331:97B:AE3E (talk) 03:09, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted the user's edits against the common consensus here. I am neutral on the proposal. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:18, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  No-Rest Underlines 

message: I think about replacing double nbsp with single numsp (for figure space). I also thought about adding nbsp between an icon and a legend describing the icon. But I wonder how the changes would affect readability, especially on mobile.
Also, as I figured, the template is getting long, so I thought about putting parameters into its own subpage... unless it's not necessary. George Ho (talk) 17:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improving [[Template:TAR Captionbox]] 

message: Should the icons (such as those for planes, detour and route marker) be used in race series articles such as at The Amazing Race 1? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:12, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: As per the above discussion, should the icons (generally seen in the #Race Summary section, but also elsewhere) be used in place of prose? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:15, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

text: Yes, we should continue to use the icons, especially the ones denoting transportation, as long as there is an alt-text present so MOS:ACCESS is not violated. Bgsu98 (talk) 22:35, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Altext seems a bit ridiculous, considering there isn't any actual text. I can't see how these things meet MOS:ICON. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Alt-text is always important for any image, or icon, if it has words on it or not. It is used by people with visual disabilities so a screen reader can explain what is there visually. Dobblestein 🎲 🎲 talk 23:17, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying don't use altext, I'm saying use the word plane or boat, or route marker. Don't just put images in the middle of text to show something, especially without a key! Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 23:24, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The icons are not in the middle of text; they are at the beginning of a bulleted list indicating travel to and from given locations, and there is a key at the top of the section identifying the different travel logos and what they mean. Bgsu98 (talk) 23:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

text: Below is an extract of where the issue lies - why is everything written in bullet points? Why can't we write in prose that someone took a flight somewhere? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 23:54, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It’s a chronological list of events that took place. Personally, I think it’s easier to read than one single paragraph would be. Bgsu98 (talk) 00:41, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

text: Also, I have edited the first ten seasons to reorder the events chronologically. If you look at the seasons after ten, you'll see that the events are broken up very bizarrely. It is very difficult to follow the events of an episode. I have also streamlined every season by eliminating a lot of the excruciating detail that was previously included. It's still a work in progress. Bgsu98 (talk) 01:00, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC on using icons in prose 

message: *Episode 1: "The Race Begins" (September 5, 2001)
*Eliminated: Matt & Ana
;Locations
*New York City, New York (Central Park – Bethesda Fountain) (Starting Line)
* New York City (John F. Kennedy International Airport) to Johannesburg, South Africa (Johannesburg International Airport)
*Johannesburg (Lanseria Airport – Ryan Blake Air)
* Johannesburg (Lanseria Airport) to Livingstone, Zambia (Livingstone Airport)
*Mosi-oa-Tunya National Park (Victoria Falls – Knife's Edge Bridge)
*Mosi-oa-Tunya National Park (Victoria Falls – Boiling Pot) 
*Livingstone District (Batoka Gorge – Abseil Zambia) 
*Livingstone District (Songwe Village)  (Unaired) 
;Episode summary
*The teams' first clue instructed them to fly to Johannesburg, South Africa on one of three flights: the first was a direct South African Airways flight which arrived first, the second was a Swissair flight connecting in Zurich which arrived second, and the third was an Alitalia flight connecting in Milan which arrived last.
*After arriving in Johannesburg, teams had to go directly to Lanseria Airport, where they had to find Ryan Blake Air and book one of four charter flights to an unknown destination (Livingstone, Zambia).
*After arriving in Livingstone, teams had to find a vehicle with their next clue, which instructed them to find "the smoke that thunders", which they to figure out was the local name for Victoria Falls (Mosi-oa-Tunya). Teams could drive themselves or hire a driver (who could not provide directions) to the falls in order to find their next clue.
* For the series' very first Fast Forward, one team had to hike down a steep canyon to the Boiling Pot on the Zambezi River in order to retrieve the Fast Forward award. Rob & Brennan won the Fast Forward.
* The series' very first Detour was a choice between Air or Land. In Air, teams had to take a quick trip along a zip line across Batoka Gorge and then experience a  gorge swing to reach the bottom in order to receive their next clue. In Land, teams had to take a long hike down the rim of the gorge to receive their next clue. All teams chose the zip-line.
*Teams had to check in at the pit stop: Songwe Village.
;Additional notes
* Near Songwe Village, there was a Roadblock that required one team member to cook an ostrich egg, which both team members had to eat, before they could check in at the pit stop. This task was unaired, but was shown as a bonus feature on the DVD.
*The zip-line Detour at Batoka Gorge was later revisited in season 27 as a Switchback in Zimbabwe.
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Question - Why did we put so much effort into arranging the task descriptions so they're in chronological order while, at the exact same time, rearranging all the results table footnotes so they're no longer in chronological order? 2604:3D08:7481:AF00:8C05:9D7:508A:A360 (talk) 11:15, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Leg 1 (United States → South Africa → Zambia)

message: Started around June 14 or 15, given the sightj
Ings in Bangkok. Hopefully more than just reddit posts to confirm once that page goes live. Masem (t) 14:26, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Better source  — Masem (t) 13:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  TAR 36 filming