Talk:Wii/Archive 10

message: Do Gamecube discs go into a drawer that opens?  That draw-looking rectangle that is to the left/under the slot for Wii media?  I haven't seen a slot-loading drive that can take smaller discs.  Is this a special new drive or are there two drives in the Wii? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.162.0.42 (talk • contribs) 13:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that this question has been asked before points to the need for this to be clarified in the article. The slot-loading drive does indeed take smaller discs. What is behind the flap next to the slot has not been revealed, but it is widely believed that there is at least an SD card slot there. Dancter 14:36, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Disregard that. This had been addressed in the article for some time before your comment was written. Please restrict use of the talk page to discussion related to improving the article. Dancter 14:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gamecube Media

message: I've archived the talk page - too long - apologies if any unfinished discussions were interupted.HappyVR 12:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You do realize that archiving is only supposed to take place on inactive discussion, right?--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 05:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes - was there a discussion that wasn't?HappyVR 08:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally its bad to archive anything less than 3 or 4 days old (since the last comment).  You archived things that were posted to quite recently.  This isn't a user talk page.  Its extremely bad form to flush an entire talk page as it leads to just this kind of problem.  I brought two things back specifically.  One, because It was removed, led to an immediate reversal of a descision, the other was a VOTE/POLL IN PROGRESS regarding the page name.  As asinine as the vote may be, there is no excuse for interrupting it until it has lived out its specified timeframe per the requested moves page.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 20:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes - I see - next time I will ask if it is ok to archive before doing it as I usually or sometimes do. My attitude has got sloppy, please accept my apologies.HappyVR 18:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archived

message: There is some disagreement between spellings 'nunchuk' and 'nunchaku' etc - as Nintendo's Wii page uses the spelling 'Nunchuk' maybe the article should too.HappyVR 13:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the Wikipedia article on Nunchuk redirects to Nunchaku, so I would suggest sticking to Nunchaku regardless of the Nintendo page. --Elliot (talk) 14:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Since we are talking about names (the Nunchuk is the actual name of the controller, as Nintendo of America has been careful to indicate in its capitalization), I think the English variant takes precedent on an English article. Dancter 14:42, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's their controller, they're allowed to call it what that want.  As part of an encyclopedia, this article should reflect the facts, proper normal spelling by a company or not. It's part of the same reason we don't re-title this page "We". Dannybu2001 16:51, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing with me. Nintendo Co. in Japan has called it the Nunchaku. Nintendo of America calls it the Nunchuk controller. I was just saying that since this is an English page, the NOA spelling is more appropriate. Dancter 16:59, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I recall from E3, they were calling it the "Nunchaku" in the in-game English instructions.  But maybe they're going with "Nunchuk" because it'd be hard to get a copyright on "Nunchaku".  I'd probably include both spellings as Nintendo appears to be using both. 72.130.21.164 19:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I imagine the odds would be about equal for Nintendo to get a copyright on either spelling (which is to say I don't know how possible either is). But I think that including both spellings is a good idea for now. The confusion should be cleared up soon enough, anyway. Dancter 19:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh yeah, and to sign your posts, just add four tildes to the end. The software does all the work. ;) Dancter 19:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Searching on Google, Wii-mote gave 583,000 results and Wiimote gave 130,000. Havok (T/C/c) 20:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But if you look at the results, searching for "wii-mote" gives results for both the dashed and undashed versions. --Maxamegalon2000 20:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, it is the other way around. Wiimote 583,000 and Wii-mote 130,000. Havok (T/C/c) 21:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Analog controller

message: The result of the debate was Not moved RN 21:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Wii" vs. "Nintendo Wii" has been something of a recurring issue with this article.  I archived the section to Talk:Wii/Move to Nintendo Wii and listed it in the archivebox so that others will be able to see it in the future, to help avoid this issue coming up again... hope it doesn't have to.  --Stratadrake 00:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a minor note that on Nintendo's own Wii page: , the header actually says "Nintendo Wii".  Not sure if this means anything in relation to everything else, or if it's just a programming mistake, but I thought everyone should know about it. Danny 17:08, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move to Nintendo Wii

message: Removing the link to Wiire, again.  This was already discuessed in the archived discussion, that ALL external unofficial links should be removed so that nobody would try and justify their unofficial links.  I am removing Wiire again, and it should not be re-added unless discussion occurs here, first.72.130.21.164 06:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: Support I do not believe excluding all "non-official" links solves any spam or other problems and it seems more like personal preference that goes against Wikipedia policy as written; they require "official" links, but do not exclude "non-official" links. Dannybu2001 16:36, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Well it seems the votes above have slowed down and that there was only one that opposed. So in this section, we will put Non-Official Links in this section and vote on each one. Any one can add links that they think should be in the article here and I will start. if you have a link that you would like to add, please do it at the bottom of the list. If you would like to vote on a particular site, please vote Support, Oppose, or Indifferent below the appropriate link.
If you do not wish to participate directly in the vote, but have an opinion on particular sites, or have questions that will help you reach a voting decision, please place your comments under the discussion heading of the particular site's section.
===IGN===
This vote will end at 16:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (side note, I also sugget we add Cubed3, but knowing you, you would probably delete them. BTW TheWiire.com is not my site.--DivineShadow218 04:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If IGN and GameSpot are included, I wouldn't mind TheWiire being included too. It is not just a lame fansite as some seem to believe. Ritarri 07:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  TheWiire.com is not just a random fansite. It has been around for a long time, and it has had several exclusive interviews, they attended E3, and so on. At least get your facts straight before commenting. Ritarri 07:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: That is no longer an issue.  Why a reference was posted that was a repost of information with a different site of origin is beyond me.  Though, I agree, with you, Alexa rank measurement is pointless.72.130.21.164 05:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Eloquence, I just want to make sure you've looked at the discussion above, as well as the one that was archived a few days ago, and point out that this issue has in the past few days led to a couple of 3RR bans.  And for the record, I tried to discuss, and as you can see 72.130.21.164 and I didn't really get anywhere. --Maxamegalon2000 04:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason it led to 3RR bans was because it kept getting re-added sans discussion.  Wikipedia isn't shooting for content first, then verification of veracity.  It wants correctness over content, therefore the add would be the topic for discussion, not the removal. I agree that you and I got nowhere, but there was more parties to the discussion than just you and I, as evidenced by the more than 2 votes in the poll.72.130.21.164 04:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are using correctness as in verifiable information reliable sources (where the information can be a rumour that may never become true), then it is true. If you are referring to pure truth (leaving behind rumours even if they have been posted by verifiable sources), then I disagree. Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. This means that, if IGN posts a rumour stating that Microsoft and Sony will allow connectivity between their consoles and Wii, and that both will create a game for Nintendo DS about Halo 3 starring Solid Snake, then it can be included in Wikipedia. Just clarifying. -- ReyBrujo 06:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: This was somewhat the point I was hoping to get across. There aren't really any Authoritative sites out there. Much of the problem for us editors working on these articles for these upcoming consoles is that we're having to wade through so much misinformation and hype, pore through ambiguous press statements, the noise of internet chatter and such, all to make an article that is encyclopedic. I'm not saying there aren't better or worse sites. I just think we are intelligent enough to be judicious about which sites we choose to direct our readers to in case they want to get their feet wet. I've thought a little bit on this, and for all this talk about setting a precedent for a glut of marginally useful sites, I think that's a bridge we can cross when we actually get to it. For now, I'm okay with The Wiire. Dancter 07:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Your IP address (or user name if logged in) can be inserted using four tildes (~~~~). AvB ÷ talk 06:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I apologize for that.  I didn't realize there was a 3RR rule.72.130.21.164 16:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
What was the result?--Ac1983fan (talk • contribs) 19:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Non-Official" External Link Votes 

message: This vote will end at 16:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [http://www.IGN.com IGN]

message: Indifferent--DivineShadow218 16:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: This vote will end at 16:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [http://www.Gamespot.com Gamespot]

message: SupportHas a decent amount in aricles and info, as well as video's and screenshots, etc.--DivineShadow218 16:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: This vote will end at 16:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [http://www.Cubed3.com Cubed3]

message: SupportHas a few good articles, game lists and some developer info.--DivineShadow218 16:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I beleave that since we are getting closer and closer to the release date, that this site will fill in those gaps.--DivineShadow218 02:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: This vote will end at 16:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [http://www.Joystiq.com Joystiq]

message: Oppose It doesnt have many good articles, only some. It does not have any game lists or developer info.--DivineShadow218 16:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: In this section, please vote if you support, oppose, or indifferent towards TheWiire.com being added to the external links of the article. If you would take a look at the link, you will defenetely see original content and articles, as well see that members of this page have also attended E3 2006, TGS and I think GDC but not sure about that. Vote will end on 02:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (side note, I also sugget we add Cubed3, but knowing you, you would probably delete them. BTW TheWiire.com is not my site.--DivineShadow218 04:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If IGN and GameSpot are included, I wouldn't mind TheWiire being included too. It is not just a lame fansite as some seem to believe. Ritarri 07:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  TheWiire.com is not just a random fansite. It has been around for a long time, and it has had several exclusive interviews, they attended E3, and so on. At least get your facts straight before commenting. Ritarri 07:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: That is no longer an issue.  Why a reference was posted that was a repost of information with a different site of origin is beyond me.  Though, I agree, with you, Alexa rank measurement is pointless.72.130.21.164 05:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Eloquence, I just want to make sure you've looked at the discussion above, as well as the one that was archived a few days ago, and point out that this issue has in the past few days led to a couple of 3RR bans.  And for the record, I tried to discuss, and as you can see 72.130.21.164 and I didn't really get anywhere. --Maxamegalon2000 04:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason it led to 3RR bans was because it kept getting re-added sans discussion.  Wikipedia isn't shooting for content first, then verification of veracity.  It wants correctness over content, therefore the add would be the topic for discussion, not the removal. I agree that you and I got nowhere, but there was more parties to the discussion than just you and I, as evidenced by the more than 2 votes in the poll.72.130.21.164 04:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are using correctness as in verifiable information reliable sources (where the information can be a rumour that may never become true), then it is true. If you are referring to pure truth (leaving behind rumours even if they have been posted by verifiable sources), then I disagree. Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. This means that, if IGN posts a rumour stating that Microsoft and Sony will allow connectivity between their consoles and Wii, and that both will create a game for Nintendo DS about Halo 3 starring Solid Snake, then it can be included in Wikipedia. Just clarifying. -- ReyBrujo 06:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: This was somewhat the point I was hoping to get across. There aren't really any Authoritative sites out there. Much of the problem for us editors working on these articles for these upcoming consoles is that we're having to wade through so much misinformation and hype, pore through ambiguous press statements, the noise of internet chatter and such, all to make an article that is encyclopedic. I'm not saying there aren't better or worse sites. I just think we are intelligent enough to be judicious about which sites we choose to direct our readers to in case they want to get their feet wet. I've thought a little bit on this, and for all this talk about setting a precedent for a glut of marginally useful sites, I think that's a bridge we can cross when we actually get to it. For now, I'm okay with The Wiire. Dancter 07:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Your IP address (or user name if logged in) can be inserted using four tildes (~~~~). AvB ÷ talk 06:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I apologize for that.  I didn't realize there was a 3RR rule.72.130.21.164 16:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
What was the result?--Ac1983fan (talk • contribs) 19:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [http://www.TheWiire.com TheWiire.com]

message: *Support--DivineShadow218 02:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (side note, I also sugget we add Cubed3, but knowing you, you would probably delete them. BTW TheWiire.com is not my site.--DivineShadow218 04:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: * comment to Ritarri, so what if Ign, and gamspot are still posted... would your vot be indifferent then? DivineShadow218 11:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If IGN and GameSpot are included, I wouldn't mind TheWiire being included too. It is not just a lame fansite as some seem to believe. Ritarri 07:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  TheWiire.com is not just a random fansite. It has been around for a long time, and it has had several exclusive interviews, they attended E3, and so on. At least get your facts straight before commenting. Ritarri 07:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: That is no longer an issue.  Why a reference was posted that was a repost of information with a different site of origin is beyond me.  Though, I agree, with you, Alexa rank measurement is pointless.72.130.21.164 05:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Eloquence, I just want to make sure you've looked at the discussion above, as well as the one that was archived a few days ago, and point out that this issue has in the past few days led to a couple of 3RR bans.  And for the record, I tried to discuss, and as you can see 72.130.21.164 and I didn't really get anywhere. --Maxamegalon2000 04:33, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason it led to 3RR bans was because it kept getting re-added sans discussion.  Wikipedia isn't shooting for content first, then verification of veracity.  It wants correctness over content, therefore the add would be the topic for discussion, not the removal. I agree that you and I got nowhere, but there was more parties to the discussion than just you and I, as evidenced by the more than 2 votes in the poll.72.130.21.164 04:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are using correctness as in verifiable information reliable sources (where the information can be a rumour that may never become true), then it is true. If you are referring to pure truth (leaving behind rumours even if they have been posted by verifiable sources), then I disagree. Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. This means that, if IGN posts a rumour stating that Microsoft and Sony will allow connectivity between their consoles and Wii, and that both will create a game for Nintendo DS about Halo 3 starring Solid Snake, then it can be included in Wikipedia. Just clarifying. -- ReyBrujo 06:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: This was somewhat the point I was hoping to get across. There aren't really any Authoritative sites out there. Much of the problem for us editors working on these articles for these upcoming consoles is that we're having to wade through so much misinformation and hype, pore through ambiguous press statements, the noise of internet chatter and such, all to make an article that is encyclopedic. I'm not saying there aren't better or worse sites. I just think we are intelligent enough to be judicious about which sites we choose to direct our readers to in case they want to get their feet wet. I've thought a little bit on this, and for all this talk about setting a precedent for a glut of marginally useful sites, I think that's a bridge we can cross when we actually get to it. For now, I'm okay with The Wiire. Dancter 07:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Your IP address (or user name if logged in) can be inserted using four tildes (~~~~). AvB ÷ talk 06:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I apologize for that.  I didn't realize there was a 3RR rule.72.130.21.164 16:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Add
:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
What was the result?--Ac1983fan (talk • contribs) 19:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Result

message: About change of order.
Hello. Just to say that one of the reasonings behind the previous ordering was to have the sections in the order hardware(design and specs),middleware ie 'features' (built in software, external support eg internet), followed by software (the stuff people use), followed by other details eg price and launch, name comment. However since edtv has been moved to 'middleware' ie features this no longer makes as much sense. However the new order makes sense in another way too. Personally would have launch and pricing before hardware, features, and software. But any of the orders seem fine.HappyVR 18:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the new order.  But what does everyone think about deleting the EDTV section altogether since we have mention of its 480p capabilites in the tech specs?.  It seems like a non-issue at this point as there is no rule that it has to have HD support just because the 360 and PS3 do. We shouldn't have to give people an education in tv resolutions here. Dannybu2001 18:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer this, too, but I'm afraid if we take it out now, people will just keep dumping it back in (and probably not as balanced), because it's still an issue to them. I say try it, and if someone makes a fuss over it, let them for the time being. Dancter 18:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, I don't think it's a good idea in general to have long lists in the middle of the article, but I don't quite know what to do. I can't think of a better place to put the tech specs section than where it currently is. And now that I moved the launch details section up, the poor name section is all orphaned underneath the titles list. If anyone has a good approach to organizing this, please share! Dancter 18:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I believe that we should try to create a page with ordering now that is the same as the 'final' version. Even for the least technically minded reader I'm sure it's a doddle to find the infomation on the page they want.HappyVR 20:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I like what you've done to the tech specs section. Now I don't feel the urge to just scroll right past it when I look at it. Dancter 17:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It isn't. The discussion about it is in the archives. Dancter 18:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So, what is it then?  I've looked here and elsewhere and can't find any info about it other than it exists.  It sounds like it's either the same or similar device as the DS Wi-fi thing.  Where you plug it into your computers USB port if you don't have a wireless network. Dannybu2001 18:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My interpretation was that it was different in that it would allow a direct wired Ethernet connection, without the need for a PC. Why mention Ethernet if the Wi-Fi Connector was involved? If it were referring to the same device, it wouldn't matter how the PC was connected to the Internet, just that it was. And Nintendo seems not to have enabled the Wi-Fi connector to work with Wi-Fi devices other than the DS (I think I mentioned that on the Wi-Fi Connector talk page), so that might be an issue. I mean, I could be wrong about everything, but I hope I'm not. The Wi-Fi connector hasn't exactly been a popular device. XP-only, compatibility complaints... Dancter 19:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: That brings to mind: has anyone mentioned AOSS for Wii at all? Dancter 19:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: re - launch details before sotware

message: ----
*Need For Speed
*Resident Evil
*Medal of Honor
*Sonic the Hedgehog
--DivineShadow218 17:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Third Party

message: NicAgent is attempting to delete the article "Nintendo Wii" so that the article Wii can be moved to it. This has already been debated and the article should remain as Wii. -- VederJuda 02:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent attempt to speedy delete Nintendo Wii

message: I had to remove this -"Microsoft has teamed up with Nintendo on discouraging the sale of the PS3, suggesting customers purchase a Wii and an Xbox 360 instead of the PS3 due to its price." - needs rewriting or just leaving out? Reason - microsift has not teamed up with nintendo - this was a statement from microsoft - there is as far as we know - no collaboration at all.
Also shortened wiiconnect24 and re-added stereo supportHappyVR 06:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I heard that one too.  It's a sales tactic, Microsoft pointing out that for the cost of a single PS3, one could buy a Wii and a 360.  They're pitching the fact that the 360 is cheaper to buy, of course (even though the Wii will be cheapter still).  --Stratadrake 13:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: changes

message: http://www.ebgames.com/gs/wii/wii_signup.asp EB has some info on the CPU.  Shall we add it? Ladlergo 14:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't trust it. It says there are two SD card slots, and that the system memory is unknown. I'm betting its basing its information on stuff we've already encountered on the Internet, as opposed to some insider knowledge. Dancter 14:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: CPU info on EBGames

message: " Nintendo's patents reportedly also indicate the inclusion of a microphone in the Wii Remote."
This is speculation (sort of) - first of all need a reference for the patent itself - secondly patent does not necessarily apply to Wii.HappyVR 17:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is the patent being referred to. It was filed a year ago, but seems to have only turned up today. Quite a bit has changed from what is described in the patent, but it is very similar, and there is a microphone. Dancter 17:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops. I think that's DS. Dancter 17:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, that's the problem with patents - they often don't mention 'what (product) it's for.HappyVR 17:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, the microphone thing has been added before, referencing the EGM article. Considering that EGM turned out to be right about the price point (for now), maybe it's okay now to add the microphone speculation back, maybe in the Wii Remote article? It is speculation, but fairly persistent speculation. I don't know if it's still there, but GameSpot's live coverage of the E3 press conference "confirmed" the microphone (even though I've seen the video, and I don't think a microphone was ever indicated). Perhaps that bit slipped because of some insider knowledge. Dancter 18:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'd say it would have to say it's speculation and - I'd suggest a patent would be needed as a reference and/or if possible another article. Not sure about gamespot's coverage - if the microphone was confirmed surely it would be on nintendo's own page.HappyVR 18:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks GameSpot scrubbed their coverage of any mention of a microphone. I swear I read it, though. Maybe someone can find a web cache and prove that I wasn't just imagining it. Anyway, it's probably best to keep it out for now. True or not, it's obvious Nintendo doesn't want us to know it. Dancter 18:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it would be a logical thought.  Speakers and microphones are two usages of the same tech. Ladlergo 13:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It is maddening, though. I'm sure it's happening, and there is plenty of evidence, but none of it is good enough for an include. I mean, they registered wiikaraoke.com. If that doesn't tip off the existence of a microphone, I don't know what does. Dancter 23:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible that there could be an add-on, so I wouldn't add it just yet. Ladlergo 13:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I'm not going to; I know better. But still... Dancter 14:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: patent I removed

message: I heard information on SlashDot.org yesterday in regards to the Wii's price. It said that Nintendo revealed to Famitsu.com that the maximum price of 25,000 yen, or 225 dollars. This info was released at a press conference discussing Nintendo's financial status. Russian Sage 777 10:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's $250 dollars or less.  We've already got that info. Ladlergo 13:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, IGN did a discussion on the price of the Wii, and made some good points. Perrin Kaplan said we would all be VERY pleased with the price, and $250 isn't exactly a crowd pleaser. Not to mention it's only $50 less than a 360, and the fact that the hardware shouldn't cost much of anything to produce. All things considered, it's likely $150-$200, especially when you see that Nintendo is selling Gamecubes for VERY cheap right now, and still making money. I'd mention this stuff in the article, but I try to avoid actually editing Wikipedia, only suggesting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.210.166.141 (talk • contribs) 13:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that interview is already linked to in the article. I'm thinking while this shouldn't be elaborated upon, a quote from Perrin may be okay. Dancter 13:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Suggesting a $150-200 price point would be crystall balling.  We'll wait until there is confirmation. Ladlergo 13:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price Of Wii 

message: Big thanks to anyone who's redoing the references.  Working with them gives me a headache. Ladlergo 13:51, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. You've been doing some good edits, yourself. I keep forgetting to put the references after the punctuation. You're always good on fixing that for me. Dancter 14:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's congratulate ourselves after it's listed as a Good Article. ;) Ladlergo 14:45, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Once Nintendo.com has some more info, there shoul be less and less references, so once they do, I will perticapate in a reference clean up again. --DivineShadow218 23:16, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I'm thinking it might be time to move a bunch of the older discussions and votes (such as external links) to an archive.  The talk page is quite long, and much of it is taken up by threads that are no longer active. Ladlergo 13:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that votes have ended, I think now is the best time. Dancter 14:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's way too soon, we just had an archive prematurely made a mere few days ago; we don't need to do it once a week. In fact, once a month would be too often if you do the math (12 per year, think about it.) The votes have only been inactive for two days at the most. And we do kind of need to leave them up for some time so people can know the results. If we hide them, there could be problems again. Plus, we're already up to nine archives, if we do it too often, the archive list itself will need to be archived for being too long. My suggestion is that we wait to archive topics that have been dead for at least a month, otherwise this will get really goofy. Besides, our talk page isn't even all that long compared to many others on Wikipedia, why do you think it is? Danny 14:44, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, would you be ok with archiving the external links discussions (including the ones for individual links) in a few more weeks? Ladlergo 14:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

text: 12 per year seems like a lot...until you realize that the edits will slow down once the system has been released.  Once we settle some of these issues, we shouldn't have to bring them up again, but can simply refer to previous discussions if anyone asks. Ladlergo 15:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: lets just wait till the end of the month. The voting has taking up a lot of space an I am sorry for that, but it is all over now.--71.242.206.231 23:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Time to archive?

message: Do you think it would be a wise idea to talk about analysts/gamers reactions to the console, or would this be stepping beyond neutral? Mythi 01:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: that would be neutral if you also include reactions from the general public. --DivineShadow218 02:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: If you can find both critics and praisers, go ahead. Maybe it will be better to add the section here to show others how it would look like before inserting into the article, as there are some who have opposed before to such section. -- ReyBrujo 02:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wii Reaction

message: In pictures of the rear of the Wii a power input is shown labelled 12V - now I know these are probably prototypes but isn't 12V a lot for electronics?HappyVR 09:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really.  While an electronic circuit can run on as little as 3V, 5V is a general standard, and moving electrical parts (such as disc drive motors) require more juice to operate properly, so they get fed higher voltages like 9V and 12V. --Stratadrake 23:02, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - are you suprised that the input is 'two pin' and not multi-pin - ie with a pin for each voltage needed - could easily put this down to 'pre-production' images..HappyVR 23:09, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not really; stepping down from 110/230VAC to 12VDC requires more electronics than 12VDC to any other voltage. You have a power brick doing the AC->DC conversion, and then IC's in the console doing all other voltage conversions. Shaun Eccles-Smith 00:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Power supply - probably trivial question

message: It starts about halfway through the talk page.  --Maxamegalon2000 21:48, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be time to archive this page. Could someone please do that? Havok (T/C/c) 21:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In 3 days...--DivineShadow218 06:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and fixed it, it was an unclosed wiki-table -th1rt3en 07:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey, what's with the white background here? 

message: When Nintendo first announced the name "Wii" on http://wii.nintendo.com/ they called it "Wii", not "The Wii". Remember "Wii wil change everything?". On the official page now it says "Thanks to our unique controller, anyone of any age or skill level can pick up and play games on Wii." I've recently changed it in the article, but now it's changed back to "The Wii" again. What are your thoughts on this?
(Even worse, now "Wii" and "The Wii" is both used in the article. That's why I changed it in the first place, it's kinda weird.)
80.127.64.214 14:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been discussed before (and you even brought it up yourself not too long ago), but it seems not everyone has gotten the message. Dancter 14:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I know I brought that up, but then it got archived. Anyhow, are we going to stick with "Wii" now?80.127.64.214 15:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Ah, it's been changed now. Glad that's settled then. 80.127.64.214 15:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure it isn't going to be changed back eventually, but I did the edit because I agree with you. HappyVR made a good point in the archived discussion, though. This issue is probably not worth getting into an edit war over. Dancter 15:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wii, not The Wii

message: Wii coming out on November 6 2006 (target date) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.213.160.23 (talk • contribs) .
:Do you have an proof of that? -- VederJuda 17:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Retailer dates are not final dates. -- ReyBrujo 18:09, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the link referenced in the recent edits cites an "industry source". I don't feel comfortable about including it, but if someone can make the case, I may be okay with someone adding it in, as long as its properly contextualized. Dancter 18:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't feel comfortable adding it.  Crystal ball and all that. Ladlergo 18:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii coming out on November 6 2006 (target date) 

message: The subsection 'reaction' of section 'name' has been renamed 'Reaction to The Console' and info relating to the controller etc added - this makes no sense in a section about the name - what should be done - delete, move or? Personally I'd like to cut the subsection 'Reaction to The Console' and possibly shorten or even delete 'name'. Should the Bill gates comment be moved to the controller section? I can't decide.HappyVR 18:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the section on the name itself should be kept, though I'm unsure about the reaction to the name. I think the paragraph about the reaction to the controller should be cut, although the sentence about Sony could be moved to the controller section.  I'm going to do that now. Ladlergo 19:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What to do?

message: Section 3.4, listing six or seven games you can supposedly download with the Virtual Console.  Looks suspicious.  Take it out?--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 21:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. Ladlergo 21:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Download Game Library