Talk:Académie Julian

message: What, who is Hamilton King, the only source supplied? Therefrom the tag. --rpd (talk) 20:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced 

message: Adolphe William Bouguereau won Prix de Rome in 1850, far before 1868, when Académie Julian was established. Bouguereau did teach there as a professor.  --Leeearnest (talk) 20:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adolphe William Bouguereau 

message: Does it make sense to limit new additions to this list? Is it appropriate at this stage of the article's development to initiate a standard limiting names on this select list to 
:(a) those who already have Wikipedia articles 
:and 
:(b) those who are notable for something other than having depicted war in art -- see, e.g., US Navy Cross edit history? 
In a context informed by practices which seem to have worked out well at Navy Cross, all new additions who aren't already featured in an article could be re-redirected to this talk page section with the following edit history explanation:
:: artist must be known for something other than studying at this art school -- see "Status: Notability" on talk page
The redlinks of those who do not have an article yet are listed below:
* Mary Collins Ammirato
* Margaret Ashe Benezit
* Elizabeth Atkinson
* Cecile BaudryFarmer, J. David. "Overcoming All Obstacles: The Women of the Académie Julian," California Art Club. April/May, 2000.portraits by nc.com
* Saul Bernstein
* Emilio BoggioGrove art online
* Émilie Desjeux  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatesic (talk • contribs) 14:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Status: notability?

message: Where might one be able to find a list of students from this year? There is a photo of Frances Benjamin Johnston in a group of women students in one of the FBJ books (sorry, it was from the library, years ago, I don't recall which book) but I *think* it was her class in Paris, about 1883. There is a woman in the front row with her hand on a skull; perhaps it was an art class where they studied anatomy. The ideal would be to find a list of the women in the photo. - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 18:12, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Students in 1883 

message: The article says that the Académie prepared students for the École des Beaux-Arts. This probably means specifically the École nationale supérieure des Beaux-Arts, also in Paris, doesn't it, rather than any of the several Écoles des Beaux-Arts around France? If there's no objection, I'll clarify that point. Colonies Chris (talk) 12:01, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  École nationale supérieure des Beaux-Arts 

message: The article lists Jules Cavaillès as a notable professor. Is this accurate? It is not mentioned in his article, nor on the site referenced from his article. Verbcatcher (talk) 14:49, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Was Jules Cavaillès a professor at Académie Julian?

message: Further to the above, the following are listed as notable professors, but their articles do not mention that they taught at the Académie Julian.
*Jules Cavaillès
*Étienne Dinet
*François Flameng
*Marcel Gimond
*Tony Robert-Fleury
If there are reliable references for them teaching at the Académie Julian then their articles should be updated accordingly, and added to :Category:Faculty of the Académie Julian. If there is no reliable reference than they should be removed from this article. Verbcatcher (talk) 15:10, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: List of notable professors

message: American students of this school played 1897 vs other Americans from the École nationale supérieure des Beaux-Arts the first american football game in Europe http://www.postimg.org/image/m29agx18z/ http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k284207p/f4.zoom.langFR --Erixson (talk) 09:34, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, but I think this is too remote from the purposes of the Académie Julian to be included in this article. It seems that the team comprised students at the Académie, but it is unlikely that they officially represented it. In the old days this could have gone in a Trivia section, but these are now deprecated. This might have a place in History of American football. Verbcatcher (talk) 17:41, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  First american football game in Europe 

message: Please add the American impressionist artist Clark G. Voorhees to your list of American artists attending the Academie Julian in Paris in the late 19th century.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:196:80:90:8505:6903:5D22:90E4 (talk) 13:06, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add the American impressionist artist Clark G. Voorhees to your list of American artist attending the Academie Julian in Paris late 19th century's  

message: The list of students with the indication of the country of origin associated with dates gives context information pointing to the historical period. Specific political state of a country comes to  mind ,  it places the information within the framework of global trends or movements and meshes together a worldwide concomitance of circumstances. The Académie Julian, common denominator for some early 20th century trends in visual arts, has its place in art history, the students and their names partake of the legend.--DDupard (talk) 15:50, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Illustrated  here by 26 inter-wiki versions of the page hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation ,  "dedicated to encouraging the growth, development and distribution of free, multilingual, educational content" , .--DDupard (talk) 18:24, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  References related to Académie Julian  for each artist listed are or should be included in their respective article, the list on Academie Julian' page being only a recap or summary--DDupard (talk) 16:38, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:   Académie Julian, its place in Art history : Students and Professors 

message: Also note, (Repeat): references are included in each corresponding artist page so as not to have too long a references-section on the Académie Julian page--DDupard (talk) 11:34, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That would have been perfectly fine by me: except that it is not the case here. Many of the articles are red links. I see that you have included links to the French Wikipedia. However, the notability standards differ across Wikipedia and what is notable on the French may not be notable here. We require references on "this Wikipedia". As for your concern about a "too long references section", that is the reason why I suggested that this should be split off to List of people associated with the Académie Julian. There really isn't a need to duplicate information on both pages. If you don't like the format at List of people associated with the Académie Julian, that can obviously be discussed or changed as required. But the data itself should preferably go there. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:46, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  See above (International). There are links to (fr) , (hu), (uk), etc. Which is to say, references  do exist on Wiki-Data, also hosted by the Wikimedia foundation.--DDupard (talk) 11:52, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  The references have to exist on the "en" Wikipedia. Whether it may exist on other projects, I don't know. But over here, we require references. The reason is that each Wikipedia project is governed differently and we don't know the standards on other Wikipedia. What are considered reliable source at other places may not be considered reliable here. Which is why we require references here. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:01, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  See above: enrichment and call for translations (evidently with references). --DDupard (talk) 12:07, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean that if the red links exist, then someone will create an article? Note that this is usually true for prose text, but not for list items. See the guideline at WP:REDLINK which states  --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:11, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  See above: a red link is a call for the creation of the corresponding article (i.e. text) , please let's take a break.--DDupard (talk) 12:15, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not sure if you are actually understanding me. No one here is saying that we are going to go and delete all of the red links. What we are saying is that "if it is determined, that a red link is not notable enough for inclusion in the English Wikipedia, there is no need to keep it in the list". We do stuff here by discussion - we do not remove all red links immediately and certainly not without discussion and evaluation. Some of the red links for example (particularly some of the professors) are clearly notable. No one here is asking to delete all of them. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:44, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reminder 

message: The page was started on January 16, 2003,  with the list appearing after a few edits on the same date. In my mind, it is also  a matter of respect for what other editors have worked for, over the years.
The point being: building, adding, organizing, continuing... --DDupard (talk) 21:11, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Also 

message: User:DDupard, who is the author and what is the source of the quotation you added recently: "By my count, more than 50 nationalities [...]"? Is this by Egmont Arens? The quote cites The New York Times, but it does not appear there. Is it from the source cited in the previous paragraph ? I can't see it there, but it's a blurry image and my French is poor. Was the quote originally in English? If not then you should give the original with a translation, see MOS:BLOCKQUOTE. Verbcatcher (talk) 19:04, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The quote is from New York Time : Russel:  An art school that also taught life,  Page 2, As far as Gallica is concerned, I agree it is not the most modern access, but if you click on the page, it activates a Zoom mode, I summarized  the content from the French critic,(i.e) " ... on s'habituait ... à considérer l'art américain comme une sorte de reflet de l'enseignement de l'Académie Julian". A bit of trust please--DDupard (talk) 19:17, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't notice the second page. It's not that I don't trust you, I initially looked up the source because I was tempted to change 50 to fifty, following the MOS. The source has 50, so it should not be changed. According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Attribution we should name the author in the main text. Verbcatcher (talk) 20:41, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  --DDupard (talk) 20:50, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source of quotation 

message: We should probably mention Art Nouveau, which was important in Paris during the Académie's heyday. How does this relate to the less conservative, freer, more sincere approach to art, corresponding to the Secessionist art movement in Germany? Verbcatcher (talk) 01:16, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Art Nouveau" related to Louis Comfort Tiffany (U.S) ), Jugendstil  (Germany ), Sezessionstil (Vienna), Nieuwe Kunst (NL), Stile Liberty (Italy), Modernismo (Spain ), Style sapin (Switzerland), Modern (Russia ). French term « Art nouveau » was coined by a French gallery  for a show exhibiting this kind of work, and the "name was adopted". One can find examples of art nouveau in areas of France close to  the actual German border. Not representative of France general preference in term of aesthetics.--DDupard (talk) 06:38, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, it does  make sense, since there were a few Germanic students, along with Mucha...;)--DDupard (talk) 10:23, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Art Nouveau