Talk:Pseudo-secularism

message: In my view, some information seems subjective. For example, the statement about Hindu religious songs/prayers being allowed in general schools is misleading. General schools do not have religious songs - the prayers are mostly based on (1) ethical poetry and do not refer to any god of any religion or (2) nationalistic songs like Vande Mataram or Jana Gana Mana. However it would help if someone can provide more accurate information and references. Thank you. Rohitbd 14:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pseudo-secularism in India

message: The previous version described the term pseudo-secularism as if it was a listing of facts. However, it fails to take into consideration that the term is used as a political smear word in Indian politics. My wordings deal with how the term is used in the Indian context. The chapter could be expanded, but the former version should not stay (especially the 'media' section is hilarious). --Soman 10:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  India 

message: So what are the two Christian groups?  Lutheranism and Catholicism (e.g., from Bavaria)?  Inquiring minds want to know. Ggugvunt 19:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "The so-called Landeskirchen (regional churches) -- Lutheran and Reformed, or a union of the two -- raise almost all their income through the church tax. The Roman Catholics are also supported by state taxes. The government in effect passes the plate for the church and is paid by the church for its services."--Editor2020 (talk) 17:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Germany is a highly irreligious country so you cant speak about Pseudo-Secularism in Germany. The Majority of the People in Germany doesnt care about Religion.--88.66.159.127 (talk) 17:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germany 

message: Can we have a contextual definition & link for "communal" in the section on India? I'm loath to attempt one, myself, but there needs to be some additional information here. --Lquilter (talk) 20:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: india / communal

message: 1. Theory of Evolution is of course taught in schools.
2. Religion lessons are taught in the same sense as history lessons, they are objective.
3. Mosques are built by private foundations, not the state.
Turkey was actually before the takeover by Islamists in 2002 already at best semi-secular.--88.66.159.127 (talk) 17:49, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkey 

message: Most of this article is OR based on someone's interpretation of the term, and I've deleted it. There are some decent sources here  to help rewrite it (starting with the lead). For the use of the term as applied to the Middle East, see . Doug Weller (talk) 10:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources, OR 

message: Is this term notable enough to warrant it's own article? If the Elenjimittam article is the only source we have, I'd say this should be a section in Secularism in India and not a stand-alone article. See WP:NEO. SPat talk 17:55, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: The USA is either pseudo-secular or nominally secular. The latter means secular in name only. To me that is pretty much the definition of pseudo-secular.
Roughly half the US population insists the nation is a Christian nation, founded on Christian values. And in these "blue states," where this opinion is in the majority, government assemblies are known to block non-Christian prayers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.253.73.146 (talk) 20:06, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk pages are intended for suggesting specific changes to improve articles, that are not based on original research or personal opinion.  Also, you're extremely confused if you think it's the blue states (majority Democrat states) insisting America is a Christian nation.  The red states (majority Republican states) are more right wing, filled with more people who insist that America is a Christian nation, and are more likely to complain whenever someone tries to stop Christian prayers during gov't functions but still stop non-Christian ones. Blue states are more likely to either allow prayers from all religions, go with a non-denominational "moment of silence," or else discourage public prayer during gov't functions. The article is not ignoring an elephant in the room, it is simply not imagining one. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:48, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are we ignoring the elephant in the room? 

message: The subject is same as Minoritarianism, and the context is limited to India alone. So it is better to merge this article. Crashed greek (talk) 06:45, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you provide any sources suggesting it is identical to minoritarianism? The sources currently in the article discuss it as a pejorative term. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge to Minoritarianism 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. per discussion consensus. The scope of this article is one thing, and perhaps it should be edited to better reflect that scope. And if another article should be made with the scope proposed by the nominator, that is also permissible. But moving this page does not accomplish any of these goals, nor is it in line with policy. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 12:44, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Pseudo-secularism →  – I propose in this section that Pseudo-secularism should be moved to Criticism of secularism in India, and that content from the Secularism in India article be split off into this one. Here is my reasoning.
Firstly, this article is about a term used in many countries, but the content is exclusively about India. Indeed, the page Pseudo-secularism (India) already redirects here. This content is therefore much better placed on an article that is explicitly about India, such as the title I have proposed. Another article could then be created at this title to cover global use of the term.
Secondly, the article about Secularism in India is a clear WP:POV article, and needs to be rewritten and reorganised. There is enough content about criticism of Indian secularism to split off a whole article about it. There is useful content on the Secularism in India article, although it would need to be rewritten. If such an article was written, it would cover essentially the same topic as this article, and it would be silly to have two separate articles. Thus I think it better that we undertake a merger at the same time. YttriumShrew (talk) 21:33, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject India has been notified of this discussion. VR talk 21:12, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 25 October 2021 

message: Please add in the Example section:
The Government of Tamil Nadu distributed free rice to Muslims during Ramzan which elicited protests. 
157.49.166.124 (talk) 20:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. It needs to be described as pseudo-secularism, otherwise it's WP:OR. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:50, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2021