Talk:AFI (band)

message: The Artist still known as Mark is not a pun.  It's a reference to Prince.  A pun is a single word or phrase with multiple meanings.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.44.45 (talk) 00:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mark's nickname

message: I don't agree with this label. I mean, this need to stop. Labeling every band now with the "emo" tag? And Tokio Hotel too? Panic at The Disco? Fall Out Boy? I mean come on! Please, I like emo, but this doesn't make any sense. I just want to stop this nonsense in wikipedia. Just take out the "emo" tag of bands that evidently are not emo. 
xwexarexbulletsx (hitmeup - the past) 08:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You copied my tag!!! lol. To mark your name, you just put in four tildes (below the ESC button on your keyboard). Anyway, it is not OUR decision as wikipedia editors as to whether a band has an emo style of music or not, just because your opinion does not agree, doesn't mean you can edit or change it - this is known as original research. Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to work, this is why trusted and notable published works are used as references - they are the ones that have called AFI emo, which is why we must use their word. If you remove a sourced emo tag, it will be reverted and tagged as vandalism. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 12:05, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Emo?

message: Please people, is allmusic.com a god-source?
I'm sure that the website, when categorizing various AFI albums, intended on describing the genre of the music as an intermediary, or, perhaps, a fusion of the various genres listed. I love the band, but, come on, "goth rock"? You're not going to find yourself excusing more than half of their songs as that even though the genre is definitely visible in a scattered number of their songs.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jotsko (talk • contribs) 11:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How about you got find some sources to backup YOUR claims. Wikipedia has policies preventing users to post their own opinion, No original research, the sources say otherwise so don't friggen change it. Sick to death of you people. If you want to put your own little bs 'dark punk' genres in, go start your own website and stop pissing off the people that maintain this site. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 02:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess 

message: Should all music guide be listed as a source for genres? A number of people have found what it says incredibly inconsistent, and I know on other articles like the Green Day one, theres been consensus to ignore it.Hoponpop69 (talk) 03:10, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: All music guide

message: New album announced! this should be included, along with information about how there has been a contest to get five fans to perform with the band on the new album. Also, preceding the release of Decemberunderground, the Despair Faction participated in a massive mystery contest. Information: http://panasonicyouth.buzznet.com/user/journal/19310/    --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 01:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Begin Transmission, Charlotte mystery, etc. 

message: I'd just like to add that the new album title actually hasn't been officially announced, and that the summer tour hasn't been confirmed. Hunter mentioned touring in the summer in an interview, but in a separate interview Davey said they would only tour if they had finished the new album - March, 12
The new album has certainly been announced, unless I have misunderstood the change in the website. --DMP47 (talk) 22:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New album and tour 

message: It's also worth noting that allmusic continues to list hardcore punk as one of their genres throughout their releases all the way up to today. It notes an increasingly wide spectrum of influences, but nevertheless, according to that source they are still playing hardcore punk. If you can provide sources that contradict it, that say "They don't still play hardcore punk", then you've got a case. Prophaniti (talk) 20:28, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hoponpop, even if they no longer write/market 'hardcore punk' those songs still exist, and are by the band. Therefore, the genre still fits. Landon1980 (talk) 04:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "AFI is an American hardcore punk band" intro sentence

message: Shouldn't the article begin by saying: 'AFI are a rock band' rather than a 'band' to make the intro more specific and relevant to the band. DespairDavid (talk) 16:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It gets changed daily, i gave up. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 17:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: Former members should be updated to include Frank Vicario, who was in the band while Hunter was helping the band record Shut Your Mouth. Davey had just confirmed this information as truth on the ASK AFI board: http://despairfaction.com/showthread.php?t=128816 Does require a member login. However for those without a login, there is this interview which is mentioned in the ASK AFI thread: http://www.synthesis.net/music/interview/item-4/1997-11-01-punk_on_the_brain
Davey goes on to explain how Hunter was not an "actual" member of the band, just helping out with recording. Frank was asked to join since his band was breaking up. AFI toured with Hunter and realized they wanted to make him an official member. There are some promo pics taken with Davey, Adam, Mark and Frank; no Hunter present. If not updated, interview is an interesting read that is not all well known.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.149.252.50 (talk) 09:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Bassist? 

message: Decemberundergroun is in fact now AFI's second platinum album. the main wikipage is wring- DU is a platinum album.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.124.250 (talk) 15:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFI Albums 

message: It say in the genre section that they're Neo-prog. I fail to see the truth or proof in this. I love Prog. and i actually admit i wish AFI were a prog bad :P but theyre not so the tag was a little confusing. the only really prog thing about them is that a couple of songs are like in 6/8 (kiss and Control) which isn't really that hard of a Time signature. That. and how their style has changed pretty dramtically since their first album. but far from Neo-prog. Fix?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.179.133.252 (talk) 08:14, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  neo prog? 

message: First of all, the NME video that is used as a source isn't a good source at all. The videos on NME's site are randomly generated and that "Battle of the Emo bands" video is just a vlogger aiming to get views on his videos. Criticism of the video is evident on its YouTube page. And while that may not be good justification for why it should be removed surely the fact that I could go now and make a video saying AFI's country western and use it as a source like what's been done here should lay it to rest?
Secondly, that other emo source comes from a student who actually labelled the genre "emo-punk" not emo. A genre that doesn't exist. Again, it's not a very reputable source and the author of that article had his first, and last publication on the site with that article. Not to mention he can't even spell the lead singer's name correctly, it's just not a source that meets up to Wikipedia standards.
Also, this interview that Jade and Davey did expresses how they couldn't be further disassociated with emo and made note that they knew the true meaning of the term. Most likely making reference to the Washington DC bands such as Rites of Spring who were pioneers of the emo genre.
Here's the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7PXXJMb5X0
And if you're still not convinced, here's some emo. If you believe AFI falls under the same genre, by all means, argue your point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3A2LFXJycI
Perhaps you a person who believes that fashion determines what genre a band falls into? And that Havok may fall into the Emo genre for that super fringe, devilock evolution? *shock, gasp* he cut it off!
http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lb/acoustic_christmas_concert_141208/davey_havok_performing_with_afi_2216884.jpg
If you're someone who believes you can dress like a genre, surely the way that you'd see emo wouldn't be gelled hair with bleached tips and a green buttoned down shirt.
Poor sources and information that was gathered from people who wouldn't know the Beatles played next to Nickleback. I'm rectifing the error of classing this post-hardcore, punk rock and alternative rock band as emo. Jamekae (talk) 10:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooh score! I just found a new link to include in my regular reply to the "MY FAVORITE BAND IS NOT EMO"—fans that reside at Wikipedia for a day or two, arguing their invalid point before being proven wrong. AFI is commonly known as an emo band in pop culture, you can't deny that. Anyway, the new link: Rolling Stone. Perhaps read it, you are nothing new here and you will get nothing out of this unless you adhere to Wikipedia's policies. After reading that go onto Wikipedia's policies on Reliable Sources and Original Research. If you're going to remove something that is sourced, you must first prove the source is unreliable, saying some crap about the Beatles and Nickelback just proves you didn't agree with what they have said, because well, you didn't want to. If you're going to swap and change the genres, then get better sources, you poor little genre warriors. And before you go getting all offended, yes I am a fan too, but do I really give a shit what Wikipedia says its genre is? No, only to the extent that it is truthful - and music journalists in the end, know best. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 15:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Are the sources that deem AFI Emo that reliable?

message: Someone keeps changing the band line-up to show that Hunter Burgan is a former member who is being replaced by Geoff Kresge. It's not true according to Hunter's twitter: http://twitter.com/TranquilMammoth
Brittanythecaptain (talk) 00:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bassist Changes? 

message: Today, it was officially revealed that Crash Love is coming out on September 29th, 2009. Sources: http://despairfaction.com/showthread.php?t=130940 (post by Theory on behalf of Davey) and http://twitter.com/TranquilMammoth/status/2522790783 (Hunter's twitter). Could someone add this to the Crash Love section? Cloudy Havoqk 70.162.160.186 (talk) 00:20, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 03:43, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crash Love - September 29th, 2009 

message: AFI is no longer Hardcore or Melodic Hardcore, they have not been since the early nineties. I personally think they are bordering on Emo, but since there is so much dispute can we please just add Alternative Rock? That seems like a fair compromise.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.78.70.20 (talk) 22:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Original Research. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 03:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Guys just cause they don't play a certain genre anymore doesn't mean we get rid of old genres. The genre section does not say current genres it says all genres RBpunk (talk) 00:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre? 

message: The protection log for this article isn't too promising--apparently it was extensively vandalized in 2006 and 2007 and has been semiprotected ever since.  However that was over two years ago and it's possible that the source or cause of the vandalism has gone away.  I'd like opinions from regular editors, and I've also contacted the protecting sysop, .
--TS 15:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Semiprotection review

message: "HE WHO LAUGHS LAST" is a single by afi realeased in 1996 in their album "VERY PROUD OF YA" in the video DAVEY HAVOK is showned geting killed being betraded by his friends  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.54.128.23 (talk) 22:20, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  He who laughs last  

message: hey listen, i'm not an AFI fan or anything but I came across this article and i feel the headline image is just awful. It looks like it's taken from the Sims or something. If anyone has a better image, it should be replaced. - tbone (talk) 14:36, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Go take a photo of them and release the copyright then. Wikipedia is one of the few places that actually respects the copyright holder, you can't jsut steal an image and place it where you want, this isn't MySpace... kiac. (talk-contrib) 05:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  headline image 

message: Allmusic has put the category "alternative/indie rock" on all of AFI's releases, but I did some browsing on music websites, and found that other than Allmusic, most sources generally only put Sing the Sorrow, Decemberunderground, and Crash Love under alternative rock. Unless someone has multiple sources that the majority of AFI's work is alternative rock, I suggest we change the intro to say that they are a "rock band". It has been done with Sum 41, Radiohead, System of a Down, and Pearl Jam (for example), because they've tried different things on different albums, and because of the wide musical influence "rock" seems to be the best consensus. AltPunkMetal (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "AFI is an alternative rock band" intro sentance. 

message: I added a photo I took of AFI in the studio for Black Sails. My brother worked at Art of Ears from 95 to 00. He was showing me around when we found AFI in the soundboard room. I was a fan and asked if I could take a picture. They said yes of course but just went back to what they were doing. They were busy working on mixing at the time, I think.
It's a real photo that I really took, so don't take it down, please.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afirebenside (talk • contribs) 18:00, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm very sure that this picture was taken in Fantasy Stdios studio A when the band was there working on Art of Drowning.  Guy Lento (talk) 07:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New photo 

message: AFI's main picture in the article is too far away. Nobody can tell what the members really look like. I have a photo that I took of the guys in AFI backstage at the 9:30 club in Washington DC in March 2007. I could put it up if you guys want, we can move the Live Earth photo to the DU section of the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afirebenside (talk • contribs) 20:25, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New main picture for the band? 

message: Emo=emotional hardcore.
AFI is classified as emo. At least the newer stuff. http://emorawr.com/afi   — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 01:22, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure "emorawr" qualifies as what Wikipedia considers a reliable source. Have any better sources for this claim? Sergecross73 msg me  19:22, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Guys I want to settle this. AFI is not emo. They still belong to punk no matter what. Anyone who says afi is emo has not heard any albums but the newest three. AFI do not talk about sadness or death the way emo bands do.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RBpunk (talk • contribs) 00:56, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  emo band 

message: “We have many, many influences that span the musical spectrum,” lead singer Davey Havok tells Steve Morse of The Boston Globe. “Each of us grew up on everything from punk to hard-core to dark ’80s UK stuff like the Cure, Bauhaus, Joy Division, and Sisters of Mercy. And there were rock bands like Guns N’ Roses and Metallica and industrial bands like Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Front 242 and Alien Sex Fiend. And we all love the Smiths." http://rockdirt.com/afis-long-answered-influences/7013/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMetallican (talk • contribs) 01:31, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  musical styles and influences 

message: Is it known why on Sing the Sorrow "The Leaving Song Part II" comes before "The Leaving Song"? What is the reasoning for this --124.187.132.37 (talk) 09:48, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Leaving Song 

message: In some of the songs from Sing the Sorrow and Decemberunderground they display a melodic hardcore sound, screams and general hardcore punk sounds mixed with melodic singing and complicated guitar riffs. Could I safely add melodic hardcore to the genre list? RBpunk (talk) 01:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Genres need to be sourced, sorry. No original research. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 09:20, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  How do I find sources on their genre? Because there's got to be someone out there who said the same thing RBpunk (talk) 00:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  melodic hardcore? 

message: Please, I really want everyone to stop calling AFI emo. It's an insult to real long time AFI fans, and frankly, the band itself. AFI does not talk about suicide or depression, and they wore their hair like that before emo was even a thought in people minds. i really want people who say they're emo to listen to any of their old stuff. The newest albums are not hardcore yes, but they are not emo. They are more just poetic rock and melodic hardcore. Sure they got deeper and slightly darker but that's just them hanging onto their horrorpunk roots not going emo. Please Please PLEASE stop saying AFI is emo. If you comment on this I want it to be logical calm wording not just trolling cause you hate AFI RBpunk (talk) 01:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Please look at the dates on the above posts that you replied to. This stuff is old as hell. This "emo" subject is not important anymore. If you want to rant further about this stuff, please find a forum or something. Article talk pages are for discussing the article, not its subject. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 12:20, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFI is NOT emo 

message: Which is the original artwork? this version or this version?--58.167.82.88 (talk) 08:12, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sing the Sorrow album artwork 

message: Yes, I know we've added an extensive list of genre already, but I think that we should add a few important ones. I believe they also play New Wave, Post-Punk, and Glampunk. I think at the very least we should add in Post-Punk (or Post-Punk Revival, I don't really care it makes no difference to me). JoeMIW (talk) 13:27, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  More genres... 

message: Their first several albums were hardcore punk, and they have been credited for reviving the genre. Just search "AFI hardcore punk" on Google (without the quotation marks). Likewise, they are part of the 2000's post-hardcore movement. Yes, they have dabbled in other genres besides alternative rock, punk rock, hardcore punk and post-hardcore, but the ones I mentioned are pretty essential. Also, the sources I have removed were unreliable. There's my explanation for my genre edit. 97.83.67.162 (talk) 22:15, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre (2014) 

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message: The section of the article detailing their upcoming tenth album needs fixing. Better wording would help, but there's misinformation as well: as of today (Oct. 26) there has not been any indication from the band or their management that the group's upcoming single will be entitled "Blood". "Blood" is merely the name of a Spotify playlist the band has been using to tease their new material. The only source indicating that "Blood" is a single is punktastic, which is A. not particularly reliable by wiki standards and B. not verifiably accurate, as their assertion is based purely on its author's conjecture. 68.47.2.148 (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tenth album section 

message: AFI's Black Sails EP has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Sails EP, if anyone involved with this article might be interested in weighing in. —Lowellian (reply) 22:49, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
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