Talk:Grigori Grabovoi

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thread_title:  External links 

message: The information is inaccurate. The people in charge of providing information on this website should do more research before releasing information that taintes the reputation af a person. This is difamatory.
In the trial it was demonstrated that those mothers of Beslan didn't even know who Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi was, much less did he receive money to resurrect their children.
This was orchestrated by the orthodox church to teint the Doctor, who is not a mechanic, nor a paramedic, he is a Scientist, Mathematician and more.
There are sources where to double check who he really is. Difamation is against the law. 2600:100A:B1C5:4846:0:1C:53FD:F701 (talk) 04:21, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difamatory information. 

message: Sayitright22 (talk) 03:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We cannot use blogs as sources or as links, nor do we rely on primary sources - MrOllie (talk) 02:57, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The statements of the mothers of Beslan in favor of Dr. Grabovoi 

message: ~~Sayitright22 (talk) Sayitright22 (talk) 18:56, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: if there are problems with this article, the way you have been trying to rectify it is entirely the wrong way to get it dealt with. Creating multiple accounts, placing inappropriate speedy deletion tags, and blanking sourced content achieves nothing but antagonising people. Read up on Wikipedia policy (starting with Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons), and then make a reasoned argument as to why this article needs modifying, citing all necessary sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:19, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not have multiple accounts. And I will check the resources you suggest. Thank you for that. Sayitright22 (talk) 02:51, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libel against the character of Dr. Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi 

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message: Dear Everyone and , I started to create Grigori Grabovoi's detailed, probable biography at User:Eightbillion/Grigori Grabovoi. I plan to create a short biography soon, based on this Hungarian version, which will use reliable sources only, and add the needed sources from the existing main namespace biography. Later I will suggest to use the short biogtaphy in main namespace. Eightbillion (talk) 10:10, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no possibility whatsoever of the biography being accepted in article mainspace. It is promotional, and entirely non-compliant with WP:NPOV. I suggest you familiarise yourself with how Wikipedia actually works before proceeding further. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:00, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's a translation from the Hungarian version, I am amazed that it is so credulous. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:13, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't a translation from the Hungarian Wikipedia article. It is a translation from a draft in Eightbillion's Hungarian user space. The actual Hungarian Wikipedia biography is here.  A substantially different article, which doesn't consist solely of credulous nonsense claiming in Wikipedia's voice that Grabovoi "is clairvoyant, can remotely cure people of terminal AIDS and cancer, can predict the future, and claims he knows the exact solution to tasks instantly, to be able to read people's minds regardless of spoken language or distance, control events, direct the weather, move objects at a distance, teleport, materialize and dematerialize matter, and can resurrect the gone ones" and other abject idiocy. I probably shouldn't be surprised that people attach any credibility to such hogwash, though I am surprised that anyone could claim it was based on 'reliable sources', or that it could form a basis for anything other than an example of the continuing gullibility of humankind. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:38, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grigori Grabovoi biography in user namespace 

message: In this interview, on March, 17 2007 in the Russian newspaper IFormat.ru, https://web.archive.org/web/20071125213320/http://iformat.ru/article/v-zashchitu-zhurnalistskoe-rassledovanie-ugolovnogo-dela--376062-po-moshennichestvu-grabovogo-intervyu-s-ml-popovich-g-moskva-stenogramma-zapisi-ot-07032007 Marina Lavrentyevna Popovich told that she met G.P. Grabovoi in Tashkent. She flew there together with General Dedukh in a big ANTEY plane, she was the commander. When she arrived in Tashkent, she remembered that Systsov, the chief engineer of this plant, told her that there was such a unique person, Grigori Grabovoi, who diagnosed the planes and tried to ensure the safety of the flights. Then she met him in that occasion. She reported that Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi was a very young men, and he really, unequivocally pointed out the flaws. He pointed out precisely the points of the hidden cracks inside the metal, which could only be detected under laboratory conditions. And he could diagnose instantly, staying at a great distance from the plane, or simply working with technological maps in his office. Grigori Petrovich Grabovoi was an aeronautical engineer by education, he knew and saw everything perfectly. Everything he pointed out was confirmed. And when he warned from Lefortovo about the threat of a nuclear explosion and aircraft accidents, this is more than serious.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E11:5:8260:D8F9:CEB8:4594:18A5 (talk) 15:34, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop spamming this page with links to credulous horseshit. Articles consist of material cited to Wikipedia:Reliable sources only - which self-evidently doesn't include such garbage. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:12, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: you are insulting the people who gave these interviews, which are reported from secondary sources as per wikipedia rules. 37.160.210.245 (talk) 14:13, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Interviews are never secondary sources. MrOllie (talk) 18:35, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

text: You're evading a block. If you keep posting here without getting your original account unblocked, you're just going to get the talk page locked down so new users can't edit it any more. MrOllie (talk) 15:30, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  More non-RS stuff 

message: Perhaps at the peak of his career, Grabovoi was an engineer, but he never was a scientist. If you don't believe me, name five scientific articles he published in reputable scientific journals (no MDPI, Hindawi, or stuff like that). E.g. at PubMed and alternative spelling he published nothing. Also 0 (zero, naught) results at JSTOR and EBSCO, the few results which are about him are not his own works. tgeorgescu (talk)  23:19, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It wouldn't matter even if Grabovoi had published in scientific journals. They are primary sources, and do nothing to indicate any form of recognition as a scientist. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:29, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Which could be completely true, but a complete lack of scientific publications is a token he never was a scientist. Indeed, there are parapsychologists, such as Etzel Cardeña and Dick J. Bierman, who have bona fide papers in bona fide scientific journals. Grabovoi has none. tgeorgescu (talk)  02:34, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientist??? 

message: He appears in  But the WP:RS does not seem to say much about him, his ad is only used as an example of Russian alternative healers. tgeorgescu (talk)  03:29, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  RS 

message: Interview with P.V. Vinogradov, Russian pilot cosmonaut
In his April, 10 2007 interview,https://web.archive.org/web/20071125213425/http://iformat.ru/article/v-zashchitu-zhurnalistskoe-rassledovanie-ugolovnogo-dela--376062-po-moshennichestvu-grigoriya-grabovogo-intervyu-s-letchikom-kosmonavtom-pv-vinogradovym Pavel Vinogradov tells about his first meeting with Grigori Grabovoi, in 1999. The meeting happens in a very serious situation: the space station MIR was in flight, and a new crew had to be launched on it. The Mission Control Center noticed a drop in pressure on the station, a leak. And a quick decision had to be undertaken: to launch or not to launch the crew? 
General Meshcheryakov brought Grigori to the Mission Control  Center and P. Vinogradov  explained him how the station was set up, what they suspected, how a leak could happen, how it could be fixed. And Grigori Grabovoi just pointed his finger, and told:  “the leak is here”. P. Vinogradov was very surprised, because in that section nothing should leak at all. But it was in exactely in that place, six months later, that the crew found a microscopic gap, after disembarking to the station, with the help of special instruments. Nikka888 (talk) 07:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a platform for the regurgitation of credulous horseshit. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:48, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interview with P.V. Vinogradov, Russian pilot cosmonaut in defense of Grigori Grabovoi