Talk:Harbor Transitway

message: Where does the transitway begin and end? Interesting question. Metro defines the transitway from 7th/Metro station to the Artesia Transit Center. I think their reasoning is that's where the Metro Express 450X runs, it's the section with the most buses per hour, and it's the section with the huge elevated flyovers. But this leaves Union Station, Pacific Coast Highway Station, and the Carson Station in a weird place. PCH and Carson are on the same freeway as the rest of the stops, built at the same time, but what they lack is the same level of service. Only one Metro Express route serves these stations. Union Station is weird cause most of the transitway buses serve Union Station eventually but they first slowly wind their way thru downtown. Also, the most touted service on the transitway 450X, doesn't serve Union Station. So how should we define it? 7th/Metro-Artesia like Metro, Union Station to Carson, or something else? I welcome comments. RickyCourtney (talk) 19:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Limits of the Transitway

message: This article called "Harbor Transitway" is really trying to address two distinct subjects.
The first subject - the physical guideway in HOV lanes - is very well-defined.  It is a physical specimen, it was built over a specific period of time by a specific project team, and it is defined along a specific linear route.  When referring to the guideway, the only issue is precisely what is included in the Harbor Transitway:
# The grade-separated section of the Harbor Transitway extends between Adams and Slauson.
# The original Harbor Transitway (6 stations) extends from 37th Street/USC/Exposition Park Station to Artesia Transit Center.
# The expanded Harbor Transitway (8 stations) includes all stations in the original HT, plus Carson and Pacific Coast Highway stations.
The second subject being addressed here is Combined Transitway Service.  This is trickier, since it talks about a service as if there is only one single service.  In reality, there are several dozen bus services - Metro Express, Metro Local, and the munis - that use this guideway, but have very different routes that begin and end in completely different locations.  
I contend that no such combined service exists.  All we have here is several services sharing a guideway.  Unfortunately, most of the article addresses this so-called combined service, which is never really defined in any clear way.
The "Harbor Transitway Connections" link http://www.metro.net/riding_metro/maps/images/harbor_transitway.pdf coincides with number 3 above, and thus begins at PCH and ends at USC.  It does list the many services using or connecting to the Harbor Transitway, but it doesn't define them as anything like a combined service.  In fact, I have not yet seen a single document or reference that defines what "Combined Transitway Service" is.
Specifically, I know of no reference that includes the following "stations" in the Harbor Transitway:
* Pico-Chick Hearn Station
* 7th Street/Metro Center Station
* Union Station
Yet, they are listed in the table as Harbor Transitway stations.  I understand that several Metro bus lines (including the Silver Line) use some of these stations.  But that isn't enough to include these stations in any way into the subject of the Harbor Transitway.
Any major boulevard will also have multiple services running on it, just like the Harbor Transitway.  But nobody talk about anything as vague as "Wilshire Boulevard Combined Service", for example.
Jcovarru (talk) 00:49, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Harbor Transitway vs. Combined Transitway Service