Talk:Tim Hardaway

message: I reverted the recent deletion of the phrase "Hardaway said he would ask for the player to be removed from the team" from the article. Zellin had deleted it, writing "He never said he would ask for that player to be removed from the team."
The Sports Illustrated article (footnote #1) says: "If he did find out that a teammate was gay, Hardaway said he would ask for the player to be removed from the team."
It's not a direct quote, but it seems good enough for me. Malik Shabazz 00:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with that also. JoshuaZ 00:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Hardaway say he would ask for that player to be removed from the team? 

message: So, he comes out with his comments, and gets added to the LGBT Wikiproject.  Does this mean Adolph Hitler is on their list for his stance on gays as well?  I think it is a stretch to add him, but just a tad bit funny, too.
CodeCarpenter 14:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What's your point? Homophobia is within the scope of the LGBT Wikiproject. The tag doesn't mean he's gay. It simply allows that Wikiproject to keep track of what occurs with this article. Don't read too much into it. — coelacan talk — 18:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought my point and my question were clear.  1. A person that came out with a desire to avoid gays is now linked to their wikiproject.  I considered this humorously ironic. 2. Since someone with an "Anti" position was added to the project, does this mean that others famous for that position, ie Adolph Hitler, John Rocker, Rush Limbaugh, etc., are also in the project?  None of them are linked, but they could be by the same logic.  I went to the linked project, and although it is large and thorough, it does not show a list of linked articles, or at least I could not find it.  Liberace is not linked, but Barney Frank and Elton John are.  I was not reading anything into it, just pointing out how his face would look upon seeing the link on his name.  A tad bit funny, IMO. CodeCarpenter 19:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed, projects are only listed on talk pages for a reason- they indicate a project's interest in a topic, they say nothing about the topic itself. JoshuaZ 19:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For comparison, note that Mel Gibson's dad is on the Anti-Semite category, but despite his public comments, Mel Gibson has been removed from that list.  Is there a Homophobic category the way there is an Anti-Semite category? CodeCarpenter 20:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for my tone earlier, CodeCarpenter. I was editing before my first cup of coffee, a bad call on my part. I believe the :Category:Homophobic people is about to be deleted, as it tends to be wp:original research most of the time (very few people actually explicitly announce themselves to be homophobic as Hardaway has done). Tagging can be haphazard, not every article is tagged that should be. The LGBT project tagging system is centralized at :Category:LGBT articles by quality, if you're looking for it. — coelacan talk — 22:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irony? 

message: Does anybody know why the NPOV and Weasel Words tags were added to the article? I left a note asking the editor who added them, but maybe somebody else can explain. Malik Shabazz 18:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not seeing any obvious problems, and definitely nothing that corresponds to WP:WEASEL. If no response is forthcoming from PeteJayhawk, the tags can come down. — coelacan talk — 18:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV and Weasel Words 

message: Should the link to it be removed? 70.19.31.152 19:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. The site has probably been overwhelmed by traffic or vandalized, and I imagine it will be back soon. Malik Shabazz 19:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree with Malik. Also the message it is giving isn't the standard message one would get if the site were no longer operative. JoshuaZ 19:40, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TimHardaway.com is down 

message: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA20dKc3kK8
Worth adding something about? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sloane (talk) • contribs) 23:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  Pablothegreat85 19:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Takei

message: and add the word "at" so it reads "At six feet (1.83 m) tall, he was....." I think that sounds better. Shorty4life88 05:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead. You don't need anybody's permission. — Malik Shabazz | Talk 16:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  wanted to make a minor edit 

message: I've removed :Category:Homophobia again because Homophobia isn't central to who he is or what he did. See Category talk:Homophobia for consensus on how/wen the cat should be used.
Please comment here before reverting.  Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi SatyrTN. No complaints from me. Just to say that the category is controversial, should only be applied in cases where it helps readers to understand what homophobia is about (thats what categories are for), and not to apply it just because someone has been accused or criticized for being homophobic. It is especially inappropriate on a biographical article, where a lot of care needs to be taken in such matters. Hal Cross 15:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homophobia cat 

message: It's important that Hardaway's comments were challenged by the host and that he escalated to say that homosexuality (and gays) shouldn't exist, and that he would try to get gay players fired. The "the section is too long" canard is cover for an agenda of portraying his comments as less significant than they were.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.96.67 (talk) 14:02, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I recommend that you read WP:UNDUE. And WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. There is no "agenda" here except complying with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 17:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And I suggest you stop making the false accusation that accuracy in the article is somehow a copy and paste flaw. Your "player removed from his team" is far less accurate than what Hardaway said which can be summarized exactly as I wrote it in the article. First you tried to take that part out altogether, along with his extremely inflammatory statement that homosexuality (and gay people) shouldn't exist in the world at all. Now, you're trying to sugar-coat his statement that he would act to try to deny gay players their right to work. Sorry, but disingenuous language like "ethnic cleansing" won't make genocide anything but genocide and "ask to have them removed from his team" doesn't change "deny gay players the right to a job" into anything else either. Hardaway's comments come down to him saying he hates gay people, believes gay people shouldn't exist, and doesn't want them to have jobs if he has to work with them. That is inflammatory, so your objection that posting his comments is inflammatory is specious.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.96.67 (talk) 17:24, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry about accusing you of cutting and pasting; you stopped doing that a couple of edits ago. With respect to the rest of your rant, that's your interpretation of Hardaway's comments. Have a nice day. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 18:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homophobic Wikipedia editors deleting his full comments 

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