Talk:Yevgenia Albats

message: It doesn't seem to be a mass media, but a personal site created for study of India culture. Whether third-party unconfirmed undirect sources presnet NPOV position? The article definitely needs POV corrections.Vlad fedorov 05:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Boloji.com as a reliable source

message: Vlad, could you please provide here any citations (in Russian) from the interview in Echo of Moscow where Albats "publicly censored and in a brusque and rude way critisized journalist Anna Arutunian"?  If you can not, this should be modified. Biophys Is it this?
Е.АЛЬБАЦ: Вы ни дня не занимались репортерской журналистикой, ни дня не занимались журналистскими расследованиями - я прочитала все, что вы написали – все. Во всех – не так много, к сожалению, на это нужно было меньше часа времени. Кстати, вы написали одну заметку этим летом в газете «Ве Нейшн» - есть такая известная левая газета в США - вы бы посмотрели, там главный редактор, Катрина Ван ден Хиден написала статью об Анне Политковской совсем недавно. Так вот я хотела вас спросить – убитого журналиста вы отхлестали по щекам. Пожалуй, никто себе не позволил так, ссылаясь на вторичные источники, написать после смерти Ани. Скажите, все-таки, что вами двигало?
А.АРУТЮНЯН: Я не могу сказать, что я отхлестала по щекам, я совершенно не намерена была этого делать, и мне не показалось, что материал вышел таким уж критичным, что можно назвать…
Е.АЛЬБАЦ: Вы написали, что Аня не занималась журналистикой, вы написали, что ее задача была обвинять, а не искать правду – это цитата, я могу вам показать вашу статью, вот она, вся здесь, это прямой перевод. Вы видите, что это ваша статья, и это прямой перевод. И я хорошо читаю по английски – легко, свободно. Вы написали, что она не искала правду – цитирую вас – она не пыталась найти правду, она пыталась только обвинять официальных лиц.
А.АРУТЮНЯН: Нет, не только.
Е.АЛЬБАЦ: Что вами двигало, когда вы писали?
А.АРУТЮНЯН: Нет, я не хотела сказать, что она не искала правду.
Е.АЛЬБАЦ: Вы сказали именно это. Скажите, вам стыдно сейчас?
А.АРУТЮНЯН: Нет, мне не стыдно.
Ю.РОСТ: Жень, прости, пожалуйста. Я думаю, что тут все ясно, думаю, что силы неравны. И самое главное, обида…
Е.АЛЬБАЦ: Видишь, Аня защитить себя не может. 
In her blog, Arutunyan said: "I had decided to reflect a pro-government position because a critical one had already gotten coverage in the Western media."Biophys 00:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't need to prove anything. I have translated some sentences form Russian Wikipedia and just put in the article reliable sources, such as:
*http://www.vz.ru/columns/2006/10/26/54497.html
*http://polithexogen.ru/info/38854.html,   presenting other POV on Albats.
It's a Wikipedia and not an original research playground. Moreover, we don't know if cited by you excerpts from the aired program are full (non-censored) or incomplete (censored). Most people believe they are censored. Could you site reliable source which confirms that your excerpts are not censured or cut?Vlad fedorov 05:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: O'K, I will be back as time allows. Biophys 06:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Interesting: "Альбац ... упрекнула ее в том, что в статье были использованы комментарии Глеба Павловского и автора этих строк". What does it mean?Biophys 06:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you have a look at Arutunian Livejournal entry in which she discourses that Albats demanded her to leave the profession of journalist? She also threatens Arutunian by her connections in the US and says she would be looking after her therefrom. Then Albats shouted 'Get out of here'. Very civil behaviour of world-wide popular journalist, isn't it? http://arutunyan.livejournal.com/23153.html See how many comments of users on that entry. Vlad fedorov 06:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Arutunian had an interest there. As such, she cannot be considered a source of reliable claims about the event. Her blog entry proves nothing. Colchicum 12:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: What about Oleg Kashin, and Kalashnikova? Cholchicum it apperas that you don't know a journalists who have respective article on them in English Wikipedia, I mean Oleg Kashin, see you message below. Vlad fedorov 04:30, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The same applies to your statements. Could you cite reliable sources which confirm that Biophys' excerpts are censored or cut? Colchicum 12:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As they lack transcript of what happened later -threats and uncivil behaviour with Arutunyan according to Kashin and Kalashnikova, then they might well be censored and cut. And I don't need to prove anything here, because it's an original research. Everything that I have written was taken from Kalashnikova and Kashin articles. And I have taken the most modest and neutral citations of them.Vlad fedorov 04:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Arutynyan scandal

message: You wrote: "Yevgenia Albats, who was relatively unknown by the general public journalist".  It is exactly the same what Putin said with regard to Politkovskaya death. Biophys 06:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So you hint that I may be Putin? How it comes that every anti-russian, opposition journalist in Russia enjoys world-wide popularity on a scale unknown before to the general public? Could tell me more about that trick? Just to the point, I hadn't written that - that was written by Pavel Kashin - read the source, indeed. I can't write anything myself. Vlad fedorov 06:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: Biophys I have entered you ISBN number of Albats book in Google catalog and haven't found it. Please see the following link http://www.google.com/custom?q=site:worldcatlibraries.org+isbn+0374527385&cx=010897078278572180631:dhkk_ymtfpc&cof=GFNT%3A%23000000%3BGALT%3A%23008000%3BLH%3A0%3BCX%3Awww%252Egoogle%252Ecom%3BVLC%3A%23663399%3BDIV%3A%23FFFFFF%3BFORID%3A1%3BT%3A%23000000%3BALC%3A%230000CC%3BLC%3A%230000CC%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eamazon%2Ecom%2Fgp%2Fsearch%3Fie%3DUTF8%26tag%3Dchuvashiaportal%26index%3Dbooks%26linkCode%3Dur2%26camp%3D1789%26creative%3D9325%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Echr%2Eru%2Fa%2Egif%3BGIMP%3A%23000000%3BLP%3A1%3BBGC%3A%23FFFFFF%3BAH%3Aleft&sa=Search&hl=en&client=pub-0147199382062428
The answer of Google catalog:
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That means, basically, that you have forged your source. Either you should supply existing source or you give link to amazon.com, google.com, yahoo.com book catalogs. I know this trick with citing unexisting books as reliable sources in Wikipedia. You have 24 hours before I delete all your edits sourced to the unidentified book.Vlad fedorov 06:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ouh, really? Could you have a look at a new search on your new ISBN? http://www.google.com/custom?q=site:worldcatlibraries.org+isbn+0374527385&cx=010897078278572180631:dhkk_ymtfpc&cof=GFNT%3A%23000000%3BGALT%3A%23008000%3BLH%3A0%3BCX%3Awww%252Egoogle%252Ecom%3BVLC%3A%23663399%3BDIV%3A%23FFFFFF%3BFORID%3A1%3BT%3A%23000000%3BALC%3A%230000CC%3BLC%3A%230000CC%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eamazon%2Ecom%2Fgp%2Fsearch%3Fie%3DUTF8%26tag%3Dchuvashiaportal%26index%3Dbooks%26linkCode%3Dur2%26camp%3D1789%26creative%3D9325%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Echr%2Eru%2Fa%2Egif%3BGIMP%3A%23000000%3BLP%3A1%3BBGC%3A%23FFFFFF%3BAH%3Aleft&sa=Search&hl=en&client=pub-0147199382062428
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Maybe you should try another ISBN? There are many combinations indeed!!! Vlad fedorov 06:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book by Albats 

message: Who the hell is Mr. Kashin and why is he quoted as a reliable source? Colchicum 12:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you be so nice as to read the references? Many thanks.Vlad fedorov 04:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The references by no means prove that Kashin is a reliable source. 26-year old professional seaman with some limited experience as a columnist. It is unclear to me if he has anything to do with the Higher School of Economics. He and the people he refers to don't seem insiders of it. Colchicum 14:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. It's a 'seamen' who has been working as a journalist for Komsomolskaya Pravda in Kaliningrad, Kommersant, Russian Magazine, Big City, Limonka, Izvestia, Your Day, Globalrus, Re:action, Expert and Vzglyad. Pretty good for seaman. Albats was fired from Izvestia a year after she was hired by the way... Vlad fedorov 07:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: You mean, you haven't found sources which praise Albats in Russian Blogosphere? Well, that's a real problem. Agreed.Vlad fedorov 04:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you please at least try to read what others have written? It is not easy, but you should try. I have discussed Kalashinikova, not Albats. Very different letters, arent't they? Colchicum 14:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Am I expected to read your original research unsupported by any valid reliable sources? I think, I don't. If you gonna write another conspiracy theory please do it outside of Wikipedia.Vlad fedorov 07:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: You may be right because this is a biography of a living person. These sources are clearly a defamation. Moreover, fraud ("fraudulently obtained her Higher School of Economics professorship") is an "exceptional claim" that must be supported by multiple reliable sources according to Wikipedia BLP rules. So, any poorly justified and defamatory claims must be removed immediately form a BLP article according to Wikipedia rules. Biophys 16:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is User Igliz who reworded initial wording. See the article history. I have done rephrasing which should suit your specific demands of BLP. Hope you would enjoy it.Vlad fedorov 04:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: However discussion of Arutunyan behavior in this article is probably appropriate, because this is not a biography of Arutynan. Biophys 16:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, perhaps it is even appropriate to describe the controversial reaction to this event in the article, but sources should be much more reliable than Yelena Kalashnikova, a person without any biography who has produced defamatory statements, and Oleg Kashin, who is not much better. Colchicum 18:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a suggestion how to do this better, please tell. I think it is fair enough right now. Her writings and research are more important and interesting than anything else. Biophys 19:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think it is not even notable enough for a separate section (and the article in Russian Wikpedia looks wildly unbalanced), but if some people go on insisting... Colchicum 19:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I definetly would like to insist, since the journal Expert is a far more good source than user Colchicum.Vlad fedorov 04:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I wouldn't object, especially as your activity looks extremely time-consuming and doesn't affect the overall impression from the articles much. For more than a month here you have managed to touch only a dozen of articles or so, and only slightly. Also please note that Yelena Kalashnikova as a person with no biography and hence no reputation can hardly be considered reliable source. Good luck! Colchicum 13:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Many thanks for your personal irrelevant opinion on Kalashnikova. Unfortunately we can't wait for Herodotus and Homerus to publish their learned opinions on what's going on. As you don't know who is famous journalist Oleg Kashin having its article in English Wikipedia, how could you know that Kalashnikova is unknown journalist? You judge based on your 'expert' knowledge?  Elena Kalashnikova appears to be the main political observer for Dni.ru, Contributor of the Russian Journal http://old.russ.ru/authors/kalashnikova.html. Perhaps you should study google before defaming others here? Vlad fedorov 04:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just if you haven't noticed this, it is me who has created the article about "famous" seaman Oleg Kashin. As to a person named Kalashinkova, she could have written thousands of articles, but insofar as nobody has evidence that she is a real person rather than an alias of somebody referenced by nobody, she is still a fantastically unreliable source, because persons with no biography hold no responsibility. Could you please try to find her birthdate or what university she graduated from? Go on. You will never manage to distort the overall picture applying your methods. Colchicum 14:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just one question, does anyone need to have his biography published on the internet for being cited in Wiipedia? Your guesses are not reliable source. And your original research you may publish anywhere but Wikipedia. Website publishing such articles is responsible for the articles. If you feel defamed, go and sue them, если кишка не тонка.Vlad fedorov 20:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kashin

message: Vlad, what are you doing in this and other articles is harassment and personal attack on me and all my articles and edits. I understand: you have good intentions. You want to protect the Putn's administration and FSB from any critical information. The problem is: you are provoking me to create new and new articles which I was not going to create. You possibly noticed that I have created article Moscow Serbsky Institute because we argued about Boris Stomakhin, and this article about Albats because you harassed me with article about Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. If you do not leave me and my articles and edits alone, I might create the following new articles:
1. Criticism of Russian government. That could include such interesting sub-topics as Nuclear proliferation by Russian Federation; Neo-soviet colonialism with regard to former Soviet republics, Penetration of Western markets by FSB, Restoration of dictatorship in Russia, and so on.
 
2. FSB operations in the Internet. That would include SORM, FSB hackers, and Prosecution of Russian bloggers - see 
FSB brigades in the Internet     but it would also include the "fallic" Rakhmankov case.
 
3. Gang from Lubyanka - Litvinenko book
4. Blowing up Russia: Terror from within - Litvinenko book
5. Jeffrey  R. Nyquist.
Do you want that? Biophys 14:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you threatening me??? Vlad fedorov 20:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How can I threaten you by creating Wikipedia articles? We all create articles here, and this is perfectly normal.  I only inform you about my plans because you might be interested. I do ask you to stay away from my edits, because that would be the best way to resolve our contradictions. It is exactly what has been recommended by one of administrators.Biophys 20:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Further work

message: I corrected the transliteration of the name of Albats' father , but Vlad fedorov reverted my edits with the following summary: "rv - deletions of information which Ilgiz and Colchicum personally dislike. Deletion of sourced material is a violation of Wikipedia policies and vandalism."  What the hell is going on? Colchicum 13:21, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vlad

message: I made some minor changes. But the remaining version is a clear violation of WP:BLP rules that require NPOV (I provided an explanation above). Biophys 23:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do not present content dispute like violations of BLP. I guess administrator Alex Bakharev already pointed this out. What you do is uncivil behaviour, because you claim that I violate Wikipedia policy, although I do everything according to the policy. If you personally dislike these sources you may publish sources having their POV on this, however do not try to delete valid and sourced material from the article and behave yourself civil. I am not vandal and I am not violating Wikipedia policies. All interested in more details over false and empty accusations by Biophys could look here for more details http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Vlad_fedorov#Outside_view_by_Alex_Bakharev. Vlad fedorov 05:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Continuing violations of [[WP:BLP]] by Vlad Fedorov

message: According to Albats's blog entry on February 28, 2007, someone has published an article signed by her name.  It appears Alex Goldfarb's identity has been faked in a similar way.  I want VF and others to be aware of such dishonest moves so that the biography article remains concise.  ilgiz 07:18, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry, I don't publish information from blogs like Biophys. And I am pretty much aware of that situation with blogs. I read Apazhe.net and have been aware of that long before it was leaked to the general public.Vlad fedorov 08:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Identity theft 

message: Read http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/07/31/060731fa_fact?printable=true Vlad fedorov 05:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  For all know-it-all's here 

message: Vlad claimed that I deleted his comments. Wrong. Everyone can check the log and see that it was him who deleted my comments, not vice versa. 
(cur) (last)  05:56, 16 March 2007 Vlad fedorov (Talk | contribs) (rv - restoring Biophys deletion of my answers.) Biophys 16:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleting comments

message: Biophys elaboratively posts texts about Albats radio talk shows on his lovely KGB subject. Please, either you list all recent topics of her Radio show, or you don't mention it at all. You must abide WP:WEIGHT policy. Do not use this article for your propaganda against Russia. Besides, KGB radio talk show doesn't meet standarts of notability. You have to explain why you publish so much about this particular talk show and why you trying to cover the information that Alabts' father was a GRU spy. Vlad fedorov 07:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First, I am writing about KGB here, because this is main research subject of Albats. Second, we have biography of Albats father in "Biography" chapter right now, instead of Albats biography. That is what I corrected. If we can include something else about her education, personal life, etc., then info about her father would look appropriate. Biophys 22:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You still didn't explain why you delete the information that Albats father was from bloody GRU which promotes terrorism around the world according to you? Why do you lie that you had kept the information about her father - see this version by you Biophys version. Vlad fedorov 03:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elaborative POV push by Biophys 

message: I deleted the Edward Kennedy info on the basis of the RFC at . I had a look at the rest of the chapter, and find some of the language poor and confusing. For instance: in English, there is a big difference between the phrases "s Jewish question", "Jewish question" (without article) and "the Jewish question". I would not be surprised if it was the more specific use "THE jewish question" that was meant here. For some reason her writing that book also gets mentioned twice.--Pan Gerwazy 14:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some more: "She described the KGB as a leading political force, rather than a security organization, whose leaders, including Lavrenty Beria, Yuri Andropov, and Vladimir Kryuchkov, have always struggled for the power with the Communist Party and manipulated the communist leaders." Grammatically, the English present perfect denotes an action that is still continuing now. The use of the present perfect (have struggled) therefore implies that this struggle is still going on. But Beria and Andropov are dead, Kryuchkov has one foot in the grave and there is no reason to manipulate communists anymore. I understand what the author is trying to suggest - something like people such as Beria and Andropov are still in charge and trying to manipulate crypto-communists such as Putin and Ivanov - but it still remains that the sentence is grammatically incorrect in English. The other two uses of the present perfect in this chapter are ungrammatical as well.--Pan Gerwazy 14:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks, I corrected this. But you are very welcome to fix such problems yourself.Biophys 23:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Research chapter 

message: So, Vlad simply delets a lot of well sourced text. This is clear violation of Wikipedia policies. Biophys 04:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No I have explained everything in detail. Your problem is that you attribute information published by other people - Ion Mihai Pacepa, Mitrokhin and etc. to Albats. For example statistics about number of KGB employees for population was taken by you from another author and you have inserted it into the text violating "No original research rule". Other passages in the text are also original research, for example passage beginning with "Such views were shared by...". When you have written "She described KGB as..." you have linked this text not to Alabts but to the works of other authors, which is misattribution and original research. Vlad fedorov 04:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First, this is not OR, because everything is taken from good sources. Second, it is important to mention if the ideas of a researcher (such as Nikolai Koltsov, Yevgenia Albats or any other) were (a) original, and (b) supported by other people/collegues. Only then one can tell if the researcher/author was rigth or wrong and if he/she was notable. Therefore, information I included is absolutely necessary. In this case, (a) ideas of Albats were not so original (maybe even John Barron was not the first), although she revealed many interesting details, and (b) her ideas are shared by best experts in the field, such as Pacepa, Mitrokhin, and others.Biophys 05:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all comparison of views of A with views of B is made by you, so it is original research. Second, you still haven't written what the views of Albats were indeed, instead you have attributed the views of other persons to her. If the views of Alabts were original, then how could you compare them at all woth other views.  We don't have views of Albats in the article, these are the views of Pacepa and Mitrokhin.Vlad fedorov 06:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, this is not research at all (original or not). This is merely statement of the fact that all these people share similar views (based on reliable sources). Look Nikolai Koltsov article. It says: "In 1927 Kolstov proposed that inherited traits would be inherited via "giant hereditary molecule" which would be made up of "two mirror strands that would replicate in a semi-conservative fashion using each strand as a template"[1]. These ideas were confirmed to have been accurate in 1953 when James Watson and Francis Crick described the structure of DNA." Saying that kind of things is absolutely necessary for creating good articles. This is perfectly consistent with Wikipedia policies. Biophys 14:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. You could compare only if there is a relible source comparing Alabts and Koltsov. You violate Wikipedia policy by doing original research.Vlad fedorov 17:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Last changes by Vlad

message: OK. I have made compromise version and have corrected significantly disputed section on the Nationalist March. But, please do not eliminated supported and referenced text concerning Albats case. If you want dispute this in mediation, let us proceed, I give my consent.
Your claims about defamation, POV and undue weight are easily eliminated by providing the opinions of others. Please contribute other POV's if you have one. But do not censure the article which is based on reliable sources. Vlad fedorov 08:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The compromise version consisted of the revert to the editorial-like points of Russian Institute, Kashin et al with the exception of the "Advocating freedom of assembly" section.  Then someone removed the summary of the critics' articles and added an editorial phrase presuming that Albats supported the nationalist Right March.  There were not authentic (coming from Albats) references supporting this statement.  ilgiz 04:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compromise version 

message: I would like to draw attention that that Ilgiz consistently reinserts the following text into the article:
"Journalist John Barron[9], retired KGB Major General Oleg Kalugin The Triumph of the KGB by retired KGB Major General Oleg D. Kalugin and the highest-ranking known Soviet bloc defector, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa shared these points of view."
There are no any sources that say exactly that phrase. Ilgix and Biophys, please, either cire reliable source in support of your Original research, or delete. Vlad fedorov
The same concerns the following sentence also inserted by you.
KGB defector Vasili Mitrokhin and dissident priest Gleb Yakunin who had access to KGB archives reported the same.[13][8]
Vlad fedorov 08:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say the provided references confirm Albats' investigations.  See a quote from Kalugin's article I provided in reply to your question in the next section.ilgiz 04:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This your statement is original research. Vlad fedorov 18:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The quote from the discussed article asserts that the mentioned persons adhere to the same opinion.  It does not attempt to synthesize a conclusion from the attributed statements. ilgiz 03:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, Ilgiz, this is a well-known logical error. In order to state that Barron, Kalugin and Pacepa "shared these points of view" you need to make the original research. You need to compare their works with that of Albats. Only after this logical (mental, physical) operation you could make such statements. Agree? Alternatively, you should provide source for such statements. You could ask that question on WP:OR discussion talk page. I, myself, was caught at this situation at Freedom House article. See its discussion page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Freedom_House#Terrorfileonline_2. Pay attention to the last messages. Vlad fedorov 10:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "original research" term in this Wikipedia is not that broad.  It does not imply intellectual efforts.  It describes unpublished arguments. ilgiz 12:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research in Ilgiz version 

message: ilgiz 05:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References in this talk

message: Gazeta.Ru reports that soon Yevgeniya Albats will head NewTimes newspaper (now she is the head of the department of politics in that newspaper).  ellol 14:12, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is refuted by the owner.ilgiz 16:12, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Times

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