Talk:Ethics of torture

message: I have moved content from the main torture article as per the discussion on the talk page.  This article is only in an early stage and needs a lot of content added. Thank you. --Silversmith 12:33, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: I have taken this from the Torture Article:
:In 1978 the European Court of Human Rights ruled that the five techniques of "sensory deprivation" were not torture but were "inhuman or degrading treatment". See Accusations of use of torture by United Kingdom for details. This case was 9 years before the UNCAT came into force and had an influence on States thinking about what constitutes torture ever since. 
Some of the edits I have made to this article is to remove POV about what is and is not torture.
* Sleep deprivation is not torture, but it may be inhuman or degrading treatment. See ECHR ruling.
* The UK a did not use torture in NI it was "inhuman or degrading treatment". 
I have also re-written other sections of the article which I think were not very clear. For example the Jury section did not present a logical arguemnt why confessions extracted under duress are not valid in court. It is to do with the fact that any resonable person who can at all empthise with the victim of turture will realise that any confession that is extracted under such methods is unlikely to be worth the paper it is written on, not that juries are arbitary and torture is not used only because it is not necessary to do so.
Further I have removed the examples of alleged torture, as this is an article on the  "Ethical arguments regarding torture" the examples were full of POV and recent example of torture and alledged torture exist in the Uses of torture in recent times. --Philip Baird Shearer 13:07, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: European Court of Human Rights

message: Within the criticism section on opponents of torture, the only arguments posted are those that people dislike torture. This provides none of the deontological arguments or utilitarian arguments against the use of torture. While numerous arguments exist, this article seems to exhibit the authorship of one clearly in favor of torturing. How despicable that no one would care to provide arguments, let alone stand in opposition to it.
128.97.104.59 (talk) 10:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly agree, let's do something--DatDoo (talk) 05:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Bias Is Unbelievable Here

message: Although the utiltarian view is put forward that the end justifies the means, experience in states which widely practice torture is that it rapidly becomes not a method of extracting information, but as a method of terrorising and subjugating the population and enables state forces - mis-named "law enforcement" or "security" forces, for they promote neither - to dispense with ordinary means of establishing innocence or guilt and with the whole legal apparatus altogether. 
It is better that a few individuals be killed by bombers than a much greater number- possibly thousands of innocent people - are tortured and murdered and legal and constitutional provisions are destroyed.--Streona (talk) 17:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Smashing. Now find a source and it can stay there! :) BillMasen (talk) 14:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, I am afraid that it is necessary according to Wikipedia. We don't want to get bogged down in whether an argument is or isn't "coherent". Moreover, an argument might be totally fallacious but so widespread that it needs to be included. I'm sure someone has had your idea before, so I suggest that you try and find it. BillMasen (talk) 19:42, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Utilitarian Objection to Torture

message: *The article doesn't mention the situation when a larger group of people is tortured in order to find 1 or a few suspects (when the interrogartor knows that most of people he tortures are innocent). 
*Another Abu Grhraib example is toruring family members, including children to obtain informations from the suspect
*I'd also like to see ethical points of view on wether the victims of tortures have the right for compensations if proven innocent78.131.137.50 (talk) 15:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "War on terrorism" topics omitted in the article

message: The Gafgen case cited in the Ticking Time Bomb section is not an example of successful use of torture to bring about the successful resolution of a ticking time bomb case.  The victim was already dead, and recovery of remains is hardly a ticking time bomb situation.    
One of the flaws to the ticking time bomb scenario is that the person being tortured can easily provide bogus information to make the torture stop long enough for the bomb to detonate.  That's a pragmatic, not an ethical, objection, though.  Hiernonymous (talk) 21:30, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ticking Time Bomb Scenario 

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 15:08, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ethical arguments regarding torture →  – Simpler, more concise name which is more similar to those used by RS, for example: (t · c) buidhe 13:43, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 19 July 2021