Talk:Energy vampire

message: *i removed a sentence about "the emotional vampire idea is more common in africa etc". i usually dont like to simply delete a sentence but this needs a source. if someone can try to present the thought in a more specific way go for it... Spencerk 21:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: African emotional vampire sentence removal

message: I've often heard the term used when there wasn't neccesarilly any supernatrual powers implied.  People can be emotional/psychological "vampires" such that when you interact with them they leave you feeling totally worn out and drained!  Quite common, in my experience, with people who have depression, manic d, and other mental illness, who take advantage of other people's compassion and get off on dragging them down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.155.56.171 (talk • contribs) 27. September 2005  
 
:Added a section on 'emotional vampires.'   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raveled (talk • contribs) 07:15, 12 October 2005  
Hello I believe I know how energy vampires operate. I have been reading emotional intelligence. This books states if a dominant person has a certain mood this can be transferred to the other person I believe that this may be partly an evolutionary hangup used before the speaking brain came into being for the purpose of communicating our mood to others. When our mood is communicated to others in this way they become aware of changes and possible threats in the external environment. This change in perception due to the other person probably owes something in part to the unconciously mimicing of the dominant persons body language. In the case of a depressed person the individual having a disscussion with them will tune into unconcious cues and receive the feeling from the depressed person in turn the depressed person will on some level receive some of the energy from their interaction with the other person. This leaves the depressed person feeling slightly more elated and the non-depressed individual drained. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.149.252 (talk • contribs) 0:13, 28 October 2005     
People who are emotional vampires do not necessarily do it conciously.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.149.25 (talk • contribs) 20:19, 28 October 2005   
:In the name of Isaac Newton, I banish thee.  I am amazed this article has not been deleted.   Tempshill 06:23, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also heard this term used in a less literal way, not only to describe situations as per the top of this section, but also to describe people who like to dwell on or dig into the problems or vulnerabilities of others. They often appear sympathetic or come in the guise of problem solvers, but they actually wallow in other people's misery, and seem to get their victims more stuck in the problems rather than solving or salving them. Maybe they should be called schadenfreude vampires ;-). --Anchoress 08:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Less literal meaning?...

message: I called it folklore and added several "allegedly"s to try and make it clear that this is a very badly sourced article.  "Numerous" cultures?  Really?  Which ones?  The only named culture that has this concept is the Hopi, and the stated source for that is Powaqaatsi, which is as New Agey as they come.  Cite sources please when adding to this article!  And be specific!  Tempshill 06:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact pass 

message: "Psychic vampire" is a modern term used by new agers. It has not historical value and must not be linked to anything else. If you want to make an article about the notion of psychic vampires in the beliefs of the church of Satan and the "new age" movement, then yes it's alright. But the current article has no value at all. In more down to earth terms, a psychic vampire is just someone who wants attention (like a depressed person) but doesn't want to improve so they waste the other person's real energy and time. It's more of a slang word thant something special. Bragador 23:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Although it is fairly late to comment for any real conversation, the historical usage of the word alone does not diminish the potential phenomena.  Homosexuality, for example, is a fairly modern word to explain a condition of life that appears to have always existed.  Just because the Greeks, Romans, Vedic Indians (etc) didn't use such specific wording doesn't mean the concept is a completely modern one.  No, instead, it is just the term to describe the concept.  74.77.124.236 (talk) 21:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Folklore 

message: Each such creature would have a name in each culture. Knowing the names might give us a clue to how much of this is real folklore, and whether any is is ersatz. Wetman 09:36, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: They might have different names in different cultures but I'm quite familiar with this phenomenon.  --Daniel C. Boyer 18:37, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: (Uh-oh, just as I feared. Check the use history of User:Daniel C. Boyer. Notice that no actual name of a "psychic vampire" is offered for any culture. Isn't this entry bogus? Wetman 06:06, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: What on earth are you getting at with "use history of User:Daniel C. Boyer"?  What are you even talking about?  --Daniel C. Boyer 17:31, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copied/Pasted from Talk:Psychic vampire -- original page 

message: The word vampire is concieved in two major ways; the first refers to the fictitious vampire, and the second refers to a complex idea that can be primitively defined as a real vampire. This article will address those who believe themselves to be real vampires. It will also take liberty in defining and explaining Sanguinarian vampires, the sub-categories of psychic vampires (or psy-vamps), and vampyre lifestylers. Because the concept of real vampires is a controversial and generally unaccepted topic, much of this article will explain theories. I would also like to point out that many denounce the use of the term vampire because of the widespread misconception. This article should be read with an open mind.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.188.116.65 (talk • contribs) 3. January 2006  
:I think that article recommended below is absolutely unaccepatble as a starting point or actually any part of the solid research into the suggested subject, because it's just unacceptable to brag about abilities to desruct other people's lives on the sheer grounds of "nature". I think that serious personal imbalances lead people to become "psy-vampires". I think that vampire's manifesto is unacceptable as a part of material on phenomenon. Information should be unbaised, if to speak about any serious approach. I hope that Wikipedia would not serve as an engine for vampire proliferation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherrylanes (talk • contribs) 00:55, 27 June 2006  
::Indeed, theres no such thing as a real vampire, to use such a term is misleading.. as well as to outright say what psychic vampires is and is not, especially without sources, its just biased POV that serves no purpose, not even to have any solid understanding of the concept, its just babble. The closest real vampires refers is a mental condition, in which one believes to be a vampire. Real vampire could also mislead people into thinking that people out there, have some sort of biological need to drink blood or feed on so called "life forces". Which is by all definitions false, no human being can safely digest large amount of blood without have harmful effects, and there is no such thing as "life forces", blood is the life force of living things, and so is protein, but invisible unknown forces don't exist, if they did exist their could be a way to analyze them (and thus do a scientific study). As well as those who say "if you feel someone elses emotions, thats a psychic gift" no its not, its empathy, understanding what someone feels, and thus by doing so can inspire the same emotion in you, very natural, nothing supernatural about it (empathy is directly linked to our eyes, and what we see, not psychic at all). Some people believe that the psychic ability or "third eye" is somehow linked to the Pineal gland (in out brain). That this could be the source of psychic abilities, there is no proof psychics exist let alone a explanation for why its possible. The connection between the Pineal gland and psychic ability is an assumed one carried over from the eighteenth century when it was found to be in a position similar to that of the supposed `third eye'. Once again this has been refuted, no person has yet proved that they have any psychic ability, when guessing what a person is thinking is purely guessing, and everyone has the same chance of guessing it right. This article should contain mythology on the subject as well as a short bit about modern day interpretations of the mythology (all containing citation of course). But remember everyone that this is just legend and its interesting but not to be taken to heart or to seriously, as that can lead to misunderstands. And we need a bit more then whats in the article currently, theres no mention of how feeding on anothers life force allows to feel the emotion that the person is feeling, which is basically a primitive explanation of empathy, I think theres a book on this. The Unbeholden (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: overview

message: Well I read the article and I can say I am impressed. It got better. While I still believe it is a non existing topic trying to convince us of it's existance, I believe the article got to a point where the NPOV and Weasel warnings can be removed. Just make sure to change "some culture" to something more precise. Bragador 23:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, good for you, but then going ahead and removing them shortly later under the claim that there were "no objections" is pretty silly, as you gave nobody any time to object. DreamGuy 06:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Almost true... The weasel one was put on by me in the first place anyway and there are still no opposition but for a subject like this one, it's good to keep them anyway. I was trying to reward you all for you effort. Keep working hard ! Bragador 22:04, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Having both "PoV" and "weasel" is to over-egg the pudding.  The article is PoV; we don't need to add all the ways in which it's PoV.  One template is enough; more is just attacking the article without doing anything constructive.  Put it up for AfD by all means (I'd vote for delete), but we shouldn't try to achieve the same result by pasting it with sneers. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 00:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel and NPOV 

message: Just make sure that the external links section does NOT contain source material. If it does it must be included under the "sources" section. Bragador 21:55, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links and sources 

message: This tag is on, yet there's no talk. The goal in Wikipedia should be to resolve misunderstandings, so let's do that. What is being criticized as being biased and disputed in this article? Perhaps changes could be made to remedy it. -Tyciol 19:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased and Disputed? 

message: Its occultism in general dealing with psichyc vamps...
>You appear to be making a distinction that doesn't exist 118.90.45.66 (talk) 04:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Its not just the New Age you know... 

message: A link was put on there (titled: Energy Vampires' official site)
that had nothing to do with the actual subject. 
It was a band link, btw. I took it out. 
If you wanna put it back, fine, but say something first 
and tell us why a band link should be put on a page
that is talking about the condition of energy vampires.
Disinclination 05:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Un-needed link deleted 

message: Should the article mention fictional examples of Energy Vampirism? For example, the Wraith on Stargate Atlantis, as well as the Atavus on Earth: Final Conflict are both fictional types of Energy Vampires.
70.17.139.55 18:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Energy Vampirism in fiction 

message: I noticed that this article contained no external sites operated by those claiming to be vampires, so I added two.  Shouldn't they have been there to begin with?  Checking out the sites is far easier than tracking down the books that were mentioned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asa Hearts (talk • contribs) 03:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some External Links 

message: We need to be more specific on beliefs, such as the fact wearing copper bracelets increases one's energy flow.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.253.237.200 (talk) 
:Find a reliable source to back that idea and then cite it when making your addition. NeoFreak 17:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further beliefs 

message: I removed the opening phrase, "In New Age terminology..." because it is misleading. I already have a book written by 1925, published in 1928, that describes the energy vampire. Manly P. Hall's The Secret Teachings of All Ages, page CIII: "Realizing that life is maintained by the aid of a mysterious universal life force which is the common property of all creatures, the black magician often becomes an occult vampire, stealing this energy from others." Paracelsus cited non-human entities, Larvae, which draw vital energy from creatures, etc. Lisa the Sociopath 21:37, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now if you want to indicate who coined the term, find a citation. User:Bradeos Graphon back on December 23rd 2005 added that opening phrase which I just removed over an hour ago. Lisa the Sociopath 22:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New age

message: Sadly "energy vampire" is usually used to refer to someone who is depressed. It gives a spiritual sounding excuse to walk away from a friend in need "After his mother died he turned into an energy vampire, I had to leave him for my spiritual well being". Think about it this is the way the term is usually used. The "selfish sunny day" spirituality movement, the sort of "enlightenment" that falls flat on its face the first time it encounters something hard in life.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.234.209.50 (talk) 21:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The most common usage 

message: Citation is needed for a book that details a link between empathy and feeding on life force. The Unbeholden (talk) 09:10, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: A Rare book

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replies: text: * You are right, it needs a separate fair-use rationale for the Energy Vampires article. I don't know how to do this, create a separate fair-use rationale on this image for this article. If anyone knows how to do this, please do so. GustavusPrimus (talk) 19:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:AsetianBible.jpg

message: The in popular fiction section may have too many trivial references.  While they are examples of the energy vampire concept, they should be considered notable in some way.  The best way to do so would be to reference third party discussion of these appearances.--SiIIyLiIIyPiIIy (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular fiction 

message: I am pretty sure that all of these have been identified as NOT meeting our WP:RS guidelines and I am very disappointed that they have somehow weaseled their way back into an article. -- The Red Pen of Doom 02:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Determine quality and use as reliable sources 

message: *Fortune, Dion: Psychic Self-Defense. Weiser Books Publishing, 2001. 
*Harbour, Dorothy: Energy Vampires: A Practical Guide for Psychic Self-protection. Destiny Books, 2002. 
*Hort, Barbara E.: Unholy Hungers: Encountering the Psychic Vampire in Ourselves & Others. Shambhala, 1996. 
*Konstantinos: Vampires: The Occult Truth. Llewellyn Publications, 1996. 
*LaVey, Anton Szandor: The Satanic Bible (Avon, 1969, )
*Slate, Joe H.: Psychic Vampires: Protection from Energy Predators & Parasites. Llewellyn Worldwide Ltd., 2002. 
They seem, to me, to meet the guidelines for sources on fringe theories.--UltraMagnus (talk) 06:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Do any meet our reliable source guidelines??? 

message: This was discussed in the recent AFD and is easily confirmed as the more widspread term by counting up the sources that actually use the term Psychic rather than Energy. I suggest the move goes ahead unless someone raises a strong objection.—Ash (talk) 16:50, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, another article on this topic previously existed at Psychic vampire, see this edit where it was redirected without fanfare to Vampire lifestyle.  I decided to take it upon myself to restore the old Psychic vampire article and to merge the content from Energy vampire to that location.  Whatever404 (talk) 17:30, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename Energy vampire → Psychic vampire ?