Talk:Pig (musical project)

message: Why is this page titled P.I.G.?  Is it an acronym?  I have never seen it referred to in this way on any of Watts's releases.Iluvchineselit 04:33, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering the same thing, but I'm new to being a fan of PIG. --ASL 01:53, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

text: The move is done, but we still have some clean up work to do.  Here is a list of pages that link to P.I.G..  These links will be automaticaly redirected to PIG, but it would sill be best if they were hand edited.  Except for the talk: pages, of course.  I'm in a rush at the moment, but I should have some more done this evening.  --ASL 20:11, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Good call.  I was always annoyed with the acronym myself.  I'll scan around and try to do some cleaning up on the other pages.  Sovex 19:01, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Acronym?

message: I have removed the following "On tour" section:
:PIG's first American tour since 1997 is entitled The All Hamerican PIG Show
:and will be occur from June 5th to July 27th (possibly more dates).   
:PIG tour line-up will be Raymond Watts (Vocals & Guitar),   
:Guenter Schulz (Guitar), Angel (Drums), Jason Knotek (Guitar),   
:and Charlie M. (Keyboards & Vocals).   
:PIG will be playing on the one and only 6/6/06 in Tampa FL @ The Empire.   
:   
:There will be a lot of new merchandise available on this tour.   
:Tour Dates here...   
:http://raymondwatts.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=2006pigtour&action=display&thread=1147138267   
:and here...   
:http://collect.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=bandprofile.listAllShows&friendid=41463914&n=PIG
I have done this for several reasons.  One, not all the tour dates and nor the complete band line-up have been 100% confirmed.  Second, the image of tour poster has no copyright information and thus subject to deletion anyway (and it only provides information on one performance).  Third, all of this information is taken from Watts's official site as well as his myspace account, both of which are included in the "external links" section.  As much as I like Watts--and I am equally excited about him touring again--promotional content should not be included in Wikipedia.  That's not to say we cannot have information about PIG on tour (it is probably good to include some info since it's the first tour after a nine-year hiatus, plus a whole new line-up) but it shouldn't be presented as promotional.  Thanks --buck 17:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll do it, unless anyone has any objections -- mando 08:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of "On tour" section

message: An anonymous editor insists that the infobox should list jazz as a genre to desrcibe PIG.  Now I'll be the first to admit that Watts's music has a jazz influence but I think it's a bit of a stretch to group PIG in the jazz genre.  This editor has cited PIG's earlier albums--specifically Praise the Lard--as "jazz", apparently due to Watts's use of a synthesized horn section.  Popular music is full of jazz-influenced musicians, but it would be inappropriate to group them in the jazz genre.  Would you label KMFDM as a reggae band?  I've left "jazz" (and "classical") as listed genres, but only because I think we need a decisive vote.  Otherwise, this editor will continue to push "jazz" at every editing opportunity.  While I'm familiar with the entire PIG catalog, I don't own A Poke in the Eye, so I could very well be wrong about that particular album.  If you guys think otherwise and want to include "jazz", then jazz it is.  But please keep in mind that a musician can be influenced by any number of genres without needing to be grouped into every single one of those genres.  Peace. --buck 21:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree that Watts/PIG has been influenced by jazz and classical elements but there is no way to justify classifying his music as such. If I wanted to listen to jazz, would I listen to PIG? I wouldn't, because PIG is not jazz in any sense of the imagination. If I wanted classical, would I listen to PIG? Again, no, for obvious reasons. -- 67.78.50.180 16:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I would also agree that PIG should not be classified as jazz or classical. He incorporates elements of these genres in his works but these elements make up the industrial genre. I would listen to Kenny G if I wanted to listen to jazz or Chopin if I wanted to listen to classical. Whoever keeps changing it is insane. 165.95.7.15 16:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre = Jazz?