Talk:Secretary

message: The section for "josue vargas
" feels...not reasonably notable for the level of prominence it's given in the article.
It's A good thing to become a good secretary around the world so if you don't like it stop hatin then.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.185.186.26 (talk) 02:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
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message: The article writes that: "The title "secretary" is not used as often as in decades past, and responsibilities have evolved to much more advance skill set such as mastering Microsoft Office applications: Word, PowerPoint, and Excel to name a few."
Is Microsoft Office really an "advanced skill set"? Isn't that just replacing typewriters of decades past? Office is well known by 5th graders. Someone please revise this. As it is, there's a grammatical error: it should be "much more advanced", not "much more advance".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8C1:C100:14E:409A:1AC4:5867:37A6 (talk) 08:07, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Microsoft Office

message: I came to this article looking to learn more about the history of secretaries.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twentysevenq (talk • contribs) 16:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: History of this occupation

message: I don't think that this article should discuss Secretary as profession and as a Government administrative body in one page, and they should be split.
On a note about the government body, this wiki needs to provide information about the history of current secretaries in, at least, the USA and a brief history of them. The origin of the system and their historical implementation, plus a comparison to secretaries in other countries. --C8CADB5D 07:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually there are already pages about the Secretary of State as well as the Secretary as a diplomatic rank. I'll try to remove those information from this article now. --Mizst (talk) 22:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Heads of Government Departments in Australia (A position roughly equivalent to CEO, and in fact also called 'Chief Executive') are also referred to as 'Secretary'.  I'm happy if this is addressed in a different page, but it doesn't seem to be linked from here anywhere? --Irrevenant [ talk ] 09:52, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently this is a completely different thing to "Secretary of State" which is a political position - Departmental Secretaries are a Public Servant (UK: Civil Servant) position, not a political one.  I'm adding it to the article - if someone thinks there's a better home for it, please split it out appropriately. --Irrevenant [ talk ] 10:18, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  - That is right, irrevenant, and I think the inclusion is correct, at least atm. What I am unsure although is that if this article is plit, where should this position go, probably with the Administrative body page. Tauiris - C8CADB5D 11:05, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: This wiki should...

message: a secretary is an administrative  assistant  in  business  office  administration.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.105.148 (talk) 21:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  what is  a  secretary? 

message: I would like to restructure this article. Some administrative assistants are secretaries, but not all secretaries are administrative assistants.
Also, the term "secretary" is somewhat anachronistic in modern American business.
I think it makes more sense to create a separate "Administrative Assistant" article since that is the broadest term used in business (at least in the US), and under that provide information about secretaries, office assistants, personal assistants, project assistants, etc.
Before I start re-arranging things, I'd like to see if anyone else has comments or thoughts about this. Victoria1286 (talk) 14:31, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just about to merge articles when I saw your comment.
According to 
http://jobs.euractiv.com/job/senior-management-assistant-4276
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080214052729AAzs1OW
Administrative Assistant seems to be the same as Management Assistant, except that the former is a more common in America for what you say and the second more common in European. Also, looks like secretary has become to have a connotation of lesser equivalent. Therefore, why not use the existent Management_assistant article to accommodate all those you have suggested?
BTW, http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos151.htm Seems to be a near perfect source for this Wiki Tauiris - C8CADB5D 12:49, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Restructuring 

message: The medical secretary section doesn't really belong in the article. A medical secretary's duties are much the same as any secretary, and the few extra duties don't merit setting it apart. However, the information on average salary is useful. Maybe we could gather information on the salaries of other specialised secretaries (secretaries for government workers, lawyers, etc.) and compare them... --- cymru lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 18:11, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Medical secretary" 

message: What are these bands based upon?
Are they official?
Do all companies not have different arrangements? 2.123.148.96 (talk) 10:20, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band 1, 2 e.t.c. 

message: All are Sourced, helpful edits. Stop deleting content. Secretaries or Program Coordinators don’t just serve coffee in offices anymore like they used to do in the 19th and 20th Centuries; they actually do work on par with/as part of the professional services; most positions today require bachelor’s or master’s degrees, while so require a Doctor of Jurisprudence (JD) degree. 129.174.255.57 (talk) 14:25, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. I’ll find a compromise solution that retaines pertinent information while getting rid of redundancies. 129.174.255.57 (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 14:28, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Loading up this article with trivial, off topic junk is not helpful. The topic of this article is about a specific type of job. Some other jobs may happen to have the word 'secretary' in the title, but this article is not about something like the Secretary of the Treasury. A JD is simply not required for the work that is the subject of this article. Keep the article on topic. MrOllie (talk) 14:30, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  When I say many modern secretaries need higher education degrees, I’m not talking about “cabinet secretaries” like secretaries of defense, state, treasury, etc., I and previous editors are talking about the endless program assistant, program coordinator, administrative assistant, paralegal, medical secretary, medical assistant, legal secretary,  and legislative assistant roles that all require a bachelor’s degrees, graduate certificates, or master’s degree as seen in large metropolitan areas vs rural areas where in large urban areas you get the job by education/experience while in rural areas you get in by who you know or have limited duties similar to that of old-style receptionist-type secretaries of the 19th and 20th Centuries. Also, certain sub-categories of secretaries like clerks of the court and law clerks who are dual hatted secretaries and lawyers are required to have a Doctor of Jurisprudence (JD) degree in the United States and Canada where all actual legal education is graduate-entry unlike most other countries were you can become a lawyer just by getting a bachelor’s degree. 129.174.255.57 (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 14:57, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is a great example of something that is outside the scope of this article. Write about that at Law clerk, not here. Adding off-topic here will only confuse the readers who are looking for information specific to the topic of this article. MrOllie (talk) 15:00, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evolution of the Position and Need for Higher Education