Talk:Swedish Hockey League

message: I was thinking that the notable players section should only include players who has spent the majority of their career playing in Elitserien. Otherwise the section will sooner or later be filled with Forsbergs, Zetterbergs and Lundqvists (ie: career NHLers). --Krm500 09:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at how the Notable players section on the NHL article was witten and it included the best scoring players from the past season. It also lists "legends" in NHL, so to speak, and I believe that would be appropriate for this article aswell. If a Swedish player played four, five seasons in Elitserien and then moved on to NHL and succeeded over there I think it could be noted also. But, I also agree with you that the "legends of Elitserien" should make up most of the Notable players section. --claes 09:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable players 

message: :^ Kap 1 ALLMÄNNA BESTÄMMELSER (Swedish). Swedish Ice Hockey Association. Retrieved on 2007-03-17.
:^ De längsta matcherna genom tiderna (Swedish). Swedish Ice Hockey Association. Retrieved on 2007-03-17.
Both instances of 2007-03-17 are obviously typos, but I don't know for sure wether it's supposed to be 02-17 or 03-07, so I can't correct it myself. --x-Flare-x{Talk) 09:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added them yesterday. I've corrected the date in the article. --claes 09:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Access dates

message: Since we are a whole bunch of swedes who edits hockey articles related to sweden - how about starting a Task Force within the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey or the Wikipedia:WikiProject Sweden? --Krm500 21:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not? Maybe we can include more aspects of sport in Sweden than ice hockey? // SMARTSKAFT | ¿ 14:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it doesn't have to be limited to hockey. There has been a large improvment in the swedish ice hockey related articles. And there is a group of editors that constantly improve these articles. I was just thinking that it would be a good idea to have a "forum" for discussions and to being able to collaborate. But it doesn't have to be limited to hockey. --Krm500 22:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Sounds very good. --claes 06:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I did not understand the "task force" concept but I guess it could be compared to the Nordic military history Task Force of the Military history WikiProject. Given the limited number of comments here, perhaps it would also benefit from a larger scope, such as Nordic or even European. On the other hand, European ice hockey could be too large for simply a task force considering teams like Amur Khabarovsk on the other side of asia in the Russian league. --Bamsefar75 11:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

text: In the meantime, perhaps some Topic Co-ordination method and the Todo Template could be used to make an overview of the article progress on current teams, historically significant teams, famous players, well-known venues, and so on. I haven't done such a thing before but sounds simple enough to maintain. --Bamsefar75 23:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally forgot about this. I guess we could just start up a talk page on WP:HOCKEY where we can co-ordinate our effort in improving Swedish hockey related articles. --Krm500 23:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, but is there any other talk-only subpages at WT:HOCKEY except archives? I get a bit anxoius since there aren't really an example of that fashion. The WP:HOCKEY activity appears to be very much about on North America (besides some concerns about article formatting in general from time to time), but seems to co-ordinate directly under the project itself, without the need of NHL, AHL, USA, Canada talk-subpages. I think the idea is to make a reference from each article talkpage to a central article talkpage, not to a WikiProject talkpage. If coordination is to be made inside the WikiProject, then it should be a Task Force, no doubt. But there are not any taskforces on WP:HOCKEY (yet), which I take as a hint to lowering the aim a bit. I feel this Elitserien talk page is as central as it gets (more Sweden-talk than on WT:HOCKEY isnt it?), coordination could be done here. Might make a list of the 12 current teams and their status, add a reference box to each team's talk page, and update as the articles grow. They're all assesed so far. I could be wrong also, since I'm still only familiar with how WP:HOCKEY works and make no comparisions to other WP's. Task forces could be more powerful than they seem to me. --Bamsefar75 00:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the idea is to have a place to talk and coordinate our efforts, using this talk page for exmaple might not be such a good idea. It will just clutter up this talk page. WP:HOCKEY doesn't have any task force yet but if I recall correctly there's a bunch of task forces at WP:SOCCER. --Krm500 00:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I just checked out WP:SOCCER and they have a bunch of task forces, even for individual teams, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Munich/Task Force/FC Bayern Munich. I'll but up a request to start a task force within WP:HOCKEY, I don't think anyone will mind. --Krm500 00:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Task Force 

message: :Image:Brynasif.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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replies: text: I've added a fair use rationale to this image, and also to :Image:Luleahf.gif and :Image:SkellefteaAIK.gif. Also to the other images on this page that I have uploaded myself. --Bamsefar75 10:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems Image:Brynasif.gif is gone now anyway. Does it make sens uploading it again? --Bamsefar75 12:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, upload it again. If I understand correctly you are allowed to use logos on Wikipedia according to the template Template:Non-free logo. The bot doesn't seem to understand that. --claes 13:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have understood it, logos are only allowed if the article is about the company using the logo for example. In this case, the Elitserien logo is the only acceptable in the Elitserien article. // SMARTSKAFT | ¿ 15:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the same image is used on Brynäs IF but now deleted, my guess is that the bot added the image to an automatic process queue for deletion somewhere (speedy?) which did not check if the description page was changed. I'll upload the logo again soon, with similar rationale, unless someone else beats me to it. :) --Bamsefar75 16:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Brynasif.gif

message: I haven't checked the details about policy and its dates, but my guess is that there are fair use rationale problems with images on Djurgårdens IF, Frölunda HC, MODO Hockey and Mora IK (and the ones here which are not always the same) similar to the :Image:Brynasif.gif image (above). (I've added a rationale to the other 8 team logos) --Bamsefar75 19:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Logotypes under the new policy

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Vastrafrolundahc.gif

message: I recall that Djurgården will be playing the majority of their home games at Hovet next season. Hovet will be their official home arena and Globen will only be used occasionally. Isn't it better to list Hovet as their home arena in the list? --Krm500 00:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated this article, Djurgårdens IF Hockey and :Template:Swedish Elite League Arenas accordingly. Thanks for catching it. -- Jao 08:42, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, I should have paid attention to see that there was a capacity figure. Thanks for catching that too. -- Jao 14:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

text: More changes made. Yesterday I updated Stockholm Globe Arena which still said it was the home arena, updated the capacity on Hovet / Elitserien, and added the (Arenas) template to Hovet. Globe Arena should remain in the template, to be (mutually) removed after next season unless Djurgården change their plans. --Bamsefar75 15:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Globen or Hovet 

message: :Template:Swedish Elite League Arenas has been combined into :Template:Swedish Elite League, converted to navbox format, and expanded. Template:Allsvenskan (ice hockey) has been converted to navbox format, and expanded. Flibirigit 05:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Template changes

message: The claim that the unofficial name in English is "Swedish Elite League" looks vague at best. At the present, the only source is a broken link. As the link isn't working, it's impossible to know what it said although the title makes it clear that its topic was not the Swedish league. Even if the league was called the "Swedish Elite League" in that article, it still doesn't make the case that that is the unofficial name. The "X-nationality Elite League" is a pretty standard way to refer to the top tier league, the name of which few readers are likely to know. As such, the case that there is a standard unofficial name in English remains unproven.Jeppiz (talk) 00:52, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I did not see that you started a discussion here at the talk page, my last comment in the edit summary should have been placed here instead. But my point stands, Wikipedia:Linkrot clearly states that the reference is valid despite being a dead link. The article used as a reference was on history of ice hockey in Sweden, and if I remember correctly it said something very similar to the statement used in this article. Furthermore it was written by Bill Meltzer, a known and respected writer on hockey in Europe, and published on NHL.com, which make it a highly reliable source. But if you want more proof, see , etc... —Krm500 (Communicate!) 02:13, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respects, this starts to look a bit disruptive (I'm talking about both of us, not just you) and doesn't do anyone of us any favour. I don't doubt your word, but even if that is what Bill Meltzer said (and as I said, I take your word for it), the opinion of one single journalist is hardly enough to claim that there is one widely accepted and commonly used unofficial English name. Having said that, these other sources are better and had you inserted them instead of just reverting my edit, I would not have reverted you either. Seems like both of us are too trigger-happy :-) I'll revert myself for now, but would appreciate a continued discussion on the topic. Claiming one single and widely used English name remains dubious, in my opinion. I don't see what it adds to the article, to be quite honest.Jeppiz (talk) 02:30, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Swedish Elite League

message: I've added a page for the Stefan Liv Memorial Trophy. One reference is avaliable there, here's another: . Any improvements to the article is appreciated. Ho-ju-96 (talk) 10:35, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Stefan Liv Memorial Trophy]] 

message: FYI. Talk:Elitserien_(disambiguation) In ictu oculi (talk) 07:09, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: related Move proposal

message: In the infobox for each SHL/Elitserien season article, we've usually put in the winner of the Guldpucken award as Season MVP. However, I believe this is incorrect. MVP stands for "Most Valuable Player", and according to what I've understood, Guldpucken is awarded to the player of the year, not the player considered the most valuable for his team. Guldhjälmen appears to be the award targeting the most valuable player. For what it's worth, the Swedish Ice Hockey Association (SIHA) states here (Google Translate) that "Gold puck is awarded by the Expressen and Swedish Ice Hockey Federation since 1979 to a Swedish ice hockey player who was the best and most valuable during the season." Should we state Season MVP as the Guldpucken or Guldhjälmen winner? Heymid (contribs) 20:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we're nitpicking if we differentiate between "player of the year" and "MVP".  Sure, maybe they're a difference, but in practice I don't have a problem with calling the winner of Guldpucken "MVP".  I don't believe Guldhjälmen is appropriate, as this is voted by the players rather than the league itself, and normally when it comes to MVP, you expect that to refer to something awarded by the league/media (like the Hart) and that the award chosen by the players will be called something else. — Swedishpenguin | Talk 21:41, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season MVP - [[Guldpucken]] or [[Guldhjälmen]] winner?