Talk:Prehistoric music

message: "The origin of music likely stems from natural sounds and rhythms: the human heartbeat, the songs of birds, the rustling of wind through trees, the thunder and sound of rain, the dripping of water in a cave, the crackle of a burning fire and the sounds of waves breaking on a beach or bubbles in a brook[citation needed]."
Nice as it may sounds, there doesn't seem to be any possible way of knowing this. Considering that music emerged prior to recorded history, any suggestions on where the origin of music stems from is guessing at best. Perhaps if there's some emperically founded notion that the human brain (or organisms in general) are fond of "natural sounds and rhythms" then you can feel free to suggest this, but this should in no way be regarded as an acceptable statement on an encyclopedia. I'm removing it.
:Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 10:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Please 

message: I move to reinstate the deleted text referred to above ("The origin of music" etc). The user did not say it was "known" that prehistoric music stems from those "natural sounds", he said it was "likely". He was not positing a scientific proof and furthermore his description does not seem in the slightest to be out-of-place in any way, or otherwise risible for any reason whatsoever. With regard to the critic's comments about what is an "acceptable statement" in an encyclopaedia, I do not accept his position in the absence of any evidence (not even Wikipedia guidelines have been cited). Therefore unless there are any reasoned objections I will reinstate the writer's comments in due course.
--Xdel 18:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I disagree - it's not unreasonable 

message: Some attention might be given to the speculative, but possibly world changing theory expounded by Steven Mithen in his recent work "The Singing Neanderthals":
Music is the remnant of a precursor of the current compositional language of men.
Homo ergaster, Homo heidelbergensis and Homo Neandertalensis used a Holistic, manipulative, multi-modal, musical and memetic language, which only in the Homo sapiens line gave rise to the present compositional language (... and to music, of course).
This theory would merit an article on its own.
Maybe I will write it soon.
Lignomontanus 05:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Music as a precursor for language

message: If nobody has any reasoned objection then I move to include a section that attempts an anachronistic definition of prehistoric music in the present-day context, to reflect the diversity of present-day musical art forms. - Xdel
:There are aboriginal pow-wow music gatherings that are traditional. Whether the sounds are the same as hundreds or thousands of years ago cannot be known. But an analysis of some of the music and people show that (depending on tribes and areas) there is no known scale handed down in the making of this music; no or little harmony; the melodies sung and chanted are extremely limited often within the range of a 5th interval. The tones are usually "just or acoustic intervals" but as said, limited in range and variations. The whole matter is really one of repeating chant and rhythm and dance. It is very powerful. I suspect it hasn't changed all that much for generations, because its tradition and religious aspects may have helped "freeze" it from changes that often affect other peoples' music. Perhaps it is indeed a living form of modern music performance of prehistoric music? If you know of more examples -- then by all means, add the section.
:Buffy St Marie has written and sung music that incorporates the pow-wow sound in the western musical context of wide ranging melodies and harmony and complex rhythms, and the effect is emotionally electric. -- Bob Fink 65.255.225.42 04:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Present-day musicians producing prehistoric music

message: Why is this discussed here? I'm not sure where it belongs, but because it is written down, it clearly is not prehistoric music, but ancient music of some sort. Rigadoun  (talk) 19:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest known song 

message: this term is antiquated.  the correct term universally accepted by linguists and child development researchers is "child directed speech". klin06  —Preceding undated comment added 15:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  issue with "motherese" 

message: http://www.pnas.org/content/106/7/2468.full  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.211.215.198 (talk) 18:48, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation on infant musicality 

message: It has been shown  scientifically (easily found by googling) that various species use the rhythmic nature of sound (music) to coordinate movements, especially between large groups. So we see large flocks of birds coordinating their flight with rhythmic chirps, all turning together and changing positions. The same is true for bees passing information on with a "dance", and fish schools moving in formation, to the sounds of common rhythmic clicks. Dancing music and song are useful for preserving and passing on information, and so it was a mistake to think that music is something "above" nature, or exists only for "emotional" reasons, although this exact reasoning has been preserved in the "scientific" teachings of our age, and found its way to this article. Perhaps we need a section on the history of the scientific perception of music. 
In any case, this is a call for serious wikipedians to look it up and bring together the sources for the current scientific perception of music as a natural phenomenon, NOT unique to humans, with VARIOUS evolving uses, and part of the communication system in the natural living world.פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 13:55, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientific evidence for evolutionary reasoning of music 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Clean up template added in 2013. I see above there have been similar issues since 2005.
* I deleted uncited speculation. I can't check the book references so I've left that text there.
* I don't like the term 'motherese', mostly because the referenced article doesn't use it, but that article refers specifically to woman-baby and mother-baby interaction, not parent-baby or adult-baby, so it might be the most accurate option listed on the baby talk page.
* I removed the clean up template but I'm keeping the tone template because it still reads like OR. 
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thread_title:  Cleanup of Origins 

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message: The first few sentences talk about written evidence, if this is pre history there is no writing, the very definition of prehistory. even if they are talking about things that happened in the past they are utterly unreliable.
This passage needs rewriting and cutting. 1homerj (talk) 11:51, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  India Music 

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