Talk:Žigmund Pálffy

message: someone moved the page by copy pasting which screwed up the history. It needs to be fixed. Masterhatch 19:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The history from this article needs to be merged with the history from Žigmund Pálffy. Masterhatch 19:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The history

message: We have here evidently not neutral and unscholar source about his origin. Article is not based on primary sources and it looks like a propaganda of Hungarian ice-hockey. Same case like in the article about Martina Hingis. Its was used source about her hungarian origin from hungarian nationalistic organization: http://www.americanhungarianfederation.org/FamousHungarians//sports.htm Wiki community told that source is reliable, but I was searching and there is written: The American Hungarian Federation® does not necessarily endorse the content or opinions expressed by its individual members and member organizations. So its completely POV by nationalistic author of this article. "She was born in Kassa in Northern Hungary", its clear nationalistic revisionism and all article is propaganda for sheeps. She was born in Czechoslovakia, in Kosice. I cannot imagine that in the top of article about Wayne Gretzky it would be written: Canadian ice hockey player of Ukrainian, Belorussian and Polish origin. It has nothing to do with his playing career. A both sources are free to edit, so for example Thehoboclown could push there a fake information and now he push it to Wikipedia. I have origin in Skalica and I know, that his family is Slovak. Maybe his grand-grand-grand father was Hungarian and surname survived. But surname Palffy can be magyarized version of south slavic surname Palović.. Surname endings "fy", "czi" were often endings of magyarized slavic names with endings "ski", "ský", "ič".. Iam asking, which ancestor of Palffy was Hungarian and is it important to mention it in the top of article? So now we can add origin to 5th generation of all US and Canadian sportsmen? For example Brian Smolinski or Joe Pawelski and milion next with polish surname? This hungarian nationalistic propagandistic activities over the Wikipedia are sick and they are groveing to the monstrous dimensions.. After few years it will all Slovaks of Hungarian origin because before 1918 its was Slovakia part of Hungarian kingdom.. Please is it any neutral inteligent admin who has an interest to solve this disputes? --Samofi (talk) 08:24, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe his grand-grand-grand father was Hungarian and surname survived. But surname Palffy can be magyarized version of south slavic surname Palović > It also can be version of Slovak surname Pálfi and magyarized in 19. century. --Omen1229 (talk) 19:10, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Its precedent to mention the origin in the top of article 

message: I did not find any info about his "Hungarian origin" on Slovak pages, also none English reliable site. So please provide high quality and neutral sources especially with references about his "Hungarian origin", who are "Hungarian ancestors" in his family or provide oficial statement of Žigmund Pálffy. --Omen1229 (talk) 19:24, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: My 2 cents, and I'm not going to get drawn into a long debate after this: I've been working on hockey articles for a long time, and we mostly focus on 2 biographical pieces of data: where a player was born (country at time of birth, ie Soviet Union vs Russia) and his nationality which is most easily defined as the country he respresents in IIHF tournaments. The first is usually straightforward, the second is debatable at times but we have a guideline somewhere with criteria set in place by concensus. Whats happening here is someone is trying to set in the 3 piece of data that usually doesn't end well: ethnicity. We get it with Irish-American hockey players, Italian-Canadians, First Nation-Canadians, etc, etc. A lot of times its just by assumption based on surname, sometimes its by some one line reference in some obscure article. Its stirs up a lot of needless debate over a something that in most cases did't do much to define the player (in the cases that it did, the sources to back it up are plentiful). Its just not worth it. TerminalPreppie (talk) 21:13, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  His Hungarian origin is mentioned only in Hungary 

message: It is unfortunate that arguments are being made without respecting language, grammar and history. With due respect, Pálfi is not a Slovak name "magyarized" as phonetically it already contains grammar and indicators of Hungarian origin. The "i" in a typical Hungarian gentry name is an indicator to show "of" such as "of the town" or "of the place". Slovak language does not possess this agglutinative value in language composition. Also, Pálffy does have ancient roots in ancient Hungarian history as it is the surname of a noble/aristocratic family. Hungarian tradition, when a surname ends in an "i" vowels and a family is promoted to a noble status, then the vowel "i" is changed to "y" to indicate the families' nobility. (Linguistic knowledge) 21:01, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pálffy origin has no ancient basis to be Slovak, it is Hungarian