Talk:Madchester

message: I changed a bit of this. This page seems to conclude that the Stone Roses were not part of "Madchester" because Factory records coined the term. Much as most of the bands hated this term, in the public consciousness in November 1989, 'Madchester' was the Stone Roses, the Happy Mondays and (bizarrely, with hindsight) the Inspiral Carpets; only one of which was on Factory. New Order/Electronic had nothing to do with 'Madchester', having being putting out records since the '70s/'80s (other than knowing the bands involved and having hit records at the same time). No-one in the UK would have referred to New Order as a 'Madchester' band at that time or since.
-- I changed it back, I have no idea why you continue to class "The Stone Roses" as part of the Madchester scene, they were just a band from Manchester who were there at the wrong place and wrong time as the media were lapping up the drug /acid house culture that was predominate in Manchester clubs. The Roses even tried to distance themselves away from "The Happy Mondays" because the Monday's drug reputation and being part of that scene were beginning to give them a bad rep with the music press. They admired each other but the Roses sure as hell didn't follow that scene. The term "Madchester" is a media-coined phrase used by the media to describe a "style" of music during a certain era. They even used "Britpop" to describe the "style" of many bands who wern't even Britpop at the time, so if you're going to pidgeonhole bands such as either the Roses, the Charlies or (as you've noted) New Order as "Madchester" music, I'm afraid I'm going to have to correct it.
-- The Roses certainly were a very different band from Happy Mondays- but that doesn't mean they both weren't Madchester. The Grateful Dead sound nothing like Jefferson Airplane or Quicksilver Messenger Service, but they're all San Fransisco psychedelic bands. Point is, when you say Madchester to someone, it's a toss-up whether they think of the guitar-rock with a sorta-dance beat thing of the Roses or the acid/house of the Mondays- but people think of both all the time. 
That, and the article as is is a hideous contradiction of itself, so it can't stand anyways. The important thing is to note that Madchester is not really a cohesive scene. It's not pigeonholing, it's the reality of how the word is used. Just look at AMG.--Hal 19:24, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But it's not right to do that, surely! Just because the Roses wouldn't want to be associated with Madchester (I agree that this is probably the case); however, Nixon doesn't like being associated with Watergate, but that doesn't mean one should edit that out of an article about him! MetalMickey 22:52, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
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message: 82.34.113.18 has been listed on "vandalism in progress" and should be banned soon.  good luck.  Mat-C 22:06, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism 

message: I am planning to edit this article, since I think it deserves more detail. This won't be an overnight process, but I thought I'd announce it - I don't want to be seen as just trampling on others' work. Anyone watching the article, please feel free to comment on edits as they happen. --Vjam 13:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So far so good! Edwardian 19:17, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Indeed - much better MetalMickey 00:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planning to expand 

message: That sure is one mad Chester! ROFL!!!!!!
(JK, as long as his name isn't Chester, and he's not mad.) --Shultz 07:20, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:Madchester]]

message: Shouldn't Black Grape be mentioned in this article? 96T 10:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Black Grape

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message: Madchester was never really a genre, so much as a descriptive term for all of the things that were going on in Manchester at the time, or centred around the city, including the clubbing scene. Given that 'Madchester' included alternative rock bands such as Stone Roses and dance acts such as 808 State and A Guy Called Gerald, describing it as a genre is a bit of a nonsense.--Michig (talk) 14:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, definitely arguable. "Scene", maybe? --FormerIP (talk) 00:55, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre? 

message: I'm starting to go through adding cites, removing editorial comment and copyediting. So far, I'm over-reliant on Dave Haslams's book Manchester England, so alternative suggestions for cites would be welcome. I suppose I should add that I used to be Vjam, who originally wrote most of the article.--FormerIP (talk) 23:47, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
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message: and had no existence beyond the marketing schemes of certain interested parties. I did wear flares, mind ;) --Scherben808 (talk) 17:18, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  This entire 'movement' was completely contrived 

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message: Whoever wrote "By the late 1980s, the British music was symbolised by a robust sound such as a Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet and the pop music of Stock, Aitken and Waterman" is almost certainly not someone who was in the UK in the late 80s (and may not even be a native speaker of English...I mean "robust"??). The late 80s were not symbolised by early 80s New Romantic pop acts like Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet. Such absolute drivel. Vauxhall1964 (talk)
:The New Romantic movement had definitely dropped off by the late 80s. Spandau didn't have anything approaching a hit after '86, while Duran scraped a single top 10 hit with "All She Wants Is". 2A02:C7F:8EA3:B00:E406:1E9A:1F4C:B409 (talk) 13:15, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed it. --Michig (talk) 13:26, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drivel 

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message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Madchester's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "rs":
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:14, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Madchester]]