Talk:Berserk (manga)/Archive 1

message: I'll try collecting a nice list of articles/interviews with Kentarou Miura/about Berserk for both this article and the Kentaro Miura article. -- Philip Nilsson 22:18, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kentarou Miura interviews, and things 

message: I've been thinking about translation "鷹 (Taka)" to Falcon instead of Hawk in the Berserk sections on Wikipedia. I came to this idea from seeing Miura romanize that Kanji to Falcon ("Millennium Falcon: Falconia" in the Katakana about the Kanji in each bi-weekly issue of Berserk in Young Animal) rather then Hawk,(which never appears in the manga). This may be a big deal, as it's commonly accepted that "鷹の団" is translated as "Band of the Hawk" (as opposed to "Falcon's Band/Band of the Falcon") but I think it's worth a discussion since it's a more faithful English translation to what Miura wanted Griffith to be referred to.
**yeah you're right the CORRECT translation is actually "Falcon" not "Hawk". You're right about "Millenium Falcon" as it's clearly written in small katakana "千年帝国の鷹(ミレニアム・ファルコン)" on top of (or beside written in the same size but between parenthesis) of it's kanji form as a pronunciation hint for Japanese readers (seen on the japanese games covers, OST covers and official sites). "ミレニアム・ファルコン" are only English words written in Japanese for those who don't know katakana. It clearly says "Millenium Falcon" (MILENIAMU-FALUCON), remember Kentaro Miura's an old Star Wars fan right? If you know what i mean! ^^
**In France, a friend told me they have kept "La Bande des Faucons" (Band of Falcons) instead of "La Bande des Aigles" (Band of Hawks) in the fansub, I'm not sure about the official edition though.
**They're other mistranslations i think as "Chudder" for "Tudor" (both テューダー/チューダー forms are used in Japan), "Locus" for "Rox", "Rackshas" for "Laxas", "Vandimion" for "Van Dimion" (with the "Van" noble prefix apart), "Irvine" for "Erwin" ("Erving" is another form of Erwin, Erving Goffman for the students outhere) "Behelit" instead of "Beherit" (Hebrew name), "Isidro" instead of "Isidoro" (correct Spanish name), "God Hand" instead of "Hand of God" has translated in the anime's prologue with Void speaking about the "hand of God hovering above" and Void's hand holding a Beherit as still background. I've even noticed some cast name changes in the anime ending credits from an episode to another... "Judeau" could also be "Judeaux" (french name) or "Judeo" ("Judaeo") as they're are many Judaism references and names (Samson, Joachim, Erwin, etc.) in Berserk...
***"Isidro" is just another derivitation of "Isidoro," of which, both are acceptable. The "Isidro" English spelling for the character is the legitimate translation, according to the character biographies in the Japanese manga. I agree that "Beherit" is a more faithful translation instead of "Behelit" (which has no pre-existing meaning prior to Berserk) & needs to be changed in the main Berserk artile and it's own seperate page (which still needs to be Wikified properly). Martisty 22:19, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taka (鷹) Translation 

message: Don't you have better things to do than mess in the article? The manga gallery is here to show the title's graphism variation. It has been inspired by the Star Wars bonus dvd's international promo gallery. As an encyclopedia, this brief international gallery is legitimated here, the article is not about "Berserk in America" but a neutral Berserk (in the world) article written in English. EnthusiastFRANCE 01:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  24.155.106.103  reverted vandalism (removed manga gallery) 

message: (aka: "page move fun") -Aknorals 21:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortuantly, he doesn't note here that berserk (anime) and berserk (manga) used to be in seperate articles, and for some reason (possibly because the anime was more well known at the time(?), or perhaps because berserk (anime) was more detailed), it was decided to merege into berserk (anime) instead of berserk (manga).  -Aknorals 21:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Funny nobody had a problem with it from january 12, 2005 to may 2006....  Not one person nominated it for a move.... I'd also like to add a reason for moving that I didn't list back then: quite frankly, I was sick of reverting anon-IP vandals that kept on turning it into a redirect to berserker -Aknorals 21:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: <my comments on why what he did goes against various guidlines/policies here, citing specific examples> -Aknorals 13:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

text: <my comments, i'll point to examples of why i think many of the people voting "oppose" were making an argument of emotion (mainly the fact that my disputing their reasons only caused them to change their reasons, not their choice)> -Aknorals 13:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to make a big prediction here about how this was a very bad move, and will lead to great page instability, vandalism, and edit/revert/move wars, and that Berserk will never be a stable place untill this article (manga, anime, games etc), but it appears I have been beaten to the punch on this one -- not by an anon IP, but by the same admin from before!! He must not have read our discussion, or the fact that only 2 people who voted "oppose" actually wanted it to be a redirect to berserker, and that I'm sure I speak the majority of the supporters when I say that haveing berserk be it's own redirect page is a non-crazy 2nd best option (though it's amazingly silly, for reasons that will be listed above).  <more stuff about the edit/revert war one of the opposers has had the pleasure of having, thanks to his own decision (which, I remeber warning about several times in the voting, btw)> -Aknorals 13:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  For the curious 

message: <placeholder for important anouncement in the form of an epic, awe-inspiring speach that I'll write later... though here's a hint: it's allready begun.  And I'm (thankfully) not talking about these damn edit/revert/move wars either.> -Aknorals 21:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important Announcment 

message: I tried to make an infobox as seen in the Naruto thing footpage. Thought it was an auto process gathering all links in a special layout, but it didn't worked out. Seems like it is necessary to create a specific template... EnthusiastFRANCE 16:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created a template at Template:Berserk_info.  If you want to see how the Naruto template was implemented go to Template:Naruto_info.  To append it to the end of the article, put in . I didn't populate it cause I don't really know what you have in mind for it. --Miss Ethereal 17:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: De rien.  :P --Miss Ethereal 17:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berserk infobox template request 

message: This article has improved a lot since I last saw it, but it's getting way too cluttered.  Things need to be split up and removed (including some of the stuff in the infoboxes).  Soundtracks don't need to be placed in the infobox (there's a section devoted to that already in the "World of Berserk" section and the links in the infobox are generally reserved for links to wikipedia articles (at least that's my understanding).  There is also a size warning on this article. --Miss Ethereal 17:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So I did some changes and think it looks better.  If not, you can always revert my edits.  I moved the character section onto it's own page, leaving the main characters on the main article (Guts, Griffith, and Casca ... I moved Puck into the "Secondary Character" section).  I've also populated the Template:Berserk info with the "World of Berserk" section and replaced the section with the template.  The external links still need to be cleaned up and lots of disambiguation needs to be done on some of the items on the template.  --Miss Ethereal 17:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

text: good for me. EnthusiastFRANCE 21:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

text: There is precedent with regard to splitting out plot summaries, and that precedent is that it's a bad idea. However, what you can do (and should do) is give a general summary here (Very general. Should be open ended and require only rare updates.), and a summary of each volume at List of Berserk chapters. For an example of how it's supposed to be done, see List of Bleach chapters, a featured list. --erachima talk 06:46, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berserk Article Getting Way Too Cluttered 

message: I think we could split the characters section into several articles, using the Initial D CHR article as a basic reference. The main/secondary characters short bio could be enhanced with a picture (anime/manga) per character, an alternative name (ex:"Irvind"/"Erwin", "Chuder"/"Tudor"), weapon, status (general/noble/mercenary/elf), possible/known reference for the name ("Pippin" LOFTR, "God Hand CHR" from novels, Balzac from the French author, Minister Voss is appearing in a popular 60's SF BBC series) and CHR inspiration (Guts/Rudger Hauer) from Miura's statements (or argumented highly possible). Also, some special morphing CHR could have their two appearances (GutsTeen/BlackSwordsman,Puck/ChibiPuck, NosferatuZodd/ApostleZod, etc.).
The actual article could be split up as following (inspired from the japanese article):
*Main CHR (profile): Guts (Black Swordsman), Griffith (reborn), Casca (amnesic)
*Secondary CHR: those not going in any of the following subsections (appearing in the anime/manga, ex: Gambino)
*Manga CHR (profile): Puck, Evarella, Schierke, etc (those not appearing in the anime)
*Secondary Manga CHR (profile): Skull Knight, Flora, etc (the "lesser" importance characters, not the minor -like "Colette" in the anime-, they're too much of them)
*Original CHR (profile): Balzac, Rita, Charles
GROUPS (profile)
*God Hand CHR: you know who
*Band of the Hawk: Corcus, Pippin, Judeau, Rickert, Guts (teen), Casca (teen), Griffith (teen)
*New Band of the Hawk: Zodd, Grunbeld, etc.
*House Vandimion: Farnese, Federico, Serpico, etc
MIDLAND NOBLE (profile)
*Charlotte, the king, the queen, yurius, adonis, etc
*minister Foss, Raban, etc 
TUDOR MAIN CHR (profile)
*Baron Adon, Shogun Boscon, Gouvernor Guenon, Samson 
KUSHAN MAIN CHR (profile)
*Ganishka, Thapasa, etc
Let me know what do you think of it. EnthusiastFRANCE 08:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual character profile ? 

message: Sorry Wakuran, you're right the edition available in Sweden is actually the US import (just like in the UK). My source was Berserk in Sweden, it's only available in the Sverige section. They used either "Haftad", either "Pocket" which latter is a book format. Thanks for correcting! ^^ I've also removed the line refering to it in the paragraph.
It's pretty bizarre they don't publish Berserk in Scandinavia since berserk is a norsk word. Is there anyone from UK out there? I'm still surprised Berserk is not published locally by Penguin Books ^^ or by one of its alike. EnthusiastFRANCE 03:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berserk in Sweden 

message: *i've added the "100 Years War" reference (historical notion) which is mentioned in the japanese article and has been pointed and kind of studied a while ago in the french article.
*I found another Biblic reference "Baptism" in the anime so i've added it, and i've splitted the dictionnary into history/religion/philosophy/geography. I think i've heard "koroshi" (murder) which is closer to "sacrifice" than baptism, but someone pointed before me, the US publisher has taken some liberties with the original work. I'll watch the episode again tomorrow to be sure (i have the US edition w/english sub not the french one). If it's koroshi, it doesn't matter, the theology term will be "sacrifice" instead. In Italia the episode is named "Il Sacrifico" (the sacrifice) i don't remember about the English one, i don't think it's "sacrifice" though. Using "baptism" for "murder" is a vivid exemple of what i've pointed (on a previous topic) as a cultural adaptation (localization) due to religion. I mean it's not a mistranlation... there are japanese (by their name!) pro translators, i mean they know the difference between "koroshi" and "jossen" or "senren" (japanese words for baptism) right? or maybe changing a "violent" word by another one "softer" is part of a mild censorship. I let you make your mind by yourself.
*Actually i've used "theology" instead of "religion" (the biblic references i have pointed on a previous topic) mainly because i like "y" ending words ^^ (so there are all sounding the same it's pretty cool!) but also because it's a wider concept allowing us to host not properly "religious" notions such as beherit (look for its hebrew meaning). I repeat i've created the World of Berserk section a few days ago as a stub, i made it quickly, with rough wikilinks etc. It's up to us, to add terms and refine it all together. So don't be shy, you can add your own notions, we'll setting up things later. Splitting up the dictionary will make easier searches. EnthusiastFRANCE 04:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  World of Berserk 

message: There are, by my count, 19 fair use images in the article. The article is about a series of copyrighted visual artworks so some fair use images are to be expected but I'd try to get them down to maybe five or six. See Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith for an example of a featured article with only FU images. Haukur 13:26, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, I've been wanting to remove some of the unneeded images for a while (why are we making "galleries"?), though I fear the second I start doing so,  their uploader will just put them back on the page (he's kinda a "trawl", and I scared him off the talk page already, though not before he scared several off whatever editors these articles had left I fear... check out the second archive for that mess...)... some of the more usefull ones would be better off if I made a page on that specific topic, such as the TCG and whatnot...  I think the overview section on the games itself should use only one or two pictures (like maybe just the ps2 one, because it looks cool). I've been spending more time removing whatever horrible innacuracies have accumliated over time/were added by enthusiastFRANCE, and trying to make the article make some ammount of sense... I'm also thinking about changing the layout slightly, like maybe bumping the list of berserk tv episodes subsection into List of Berserk anime episodes or something like that, and putting a section about music in there somwhere, that should help the fact that the the links to the soundtracks are spread throughout the page a bit... I may also want to explain the bit about why the aricle uses the terms "episode", "chapter", and "arc" a certian way, and where those terms come from..... sorry, just thinking outloud.   -Aknorals 20:25, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, and as far as copylefted images go, there's this one that is a "Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.0" creative commons one, but I don't feel like explaining that one now... -Aknorals 20:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use images 

message: The article makes mention that there is no sequel in production and that many still incorrectly believe there to be a sequel in the works….. but it dose not mention that the shows director (whose name I forget) said that he hoped to continue it, perhaps misinterpretations of that statement lead to much of the confusion regarding the alleged sequel.
Also according to the magazine anime insider a considerable amount of effort from many producers and other people involved had been put in to getting a sequel made.  And that Kentaro Miura had allegedly said that he felt that there was not enough of the story left to adapt, leading some to assume he simply was making excuses as to why he did not want it continued
Leon Evelake 18:53, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Attemps at a sequel 

message: Dark Horse Comic's website confirms that Volume 14 is about to be unleashed to the public December 6th of this year. This mean that Dark Horse Comics is producing beyond the original scope of the first 13 manga. However, this does not mean that they will go as far as the 31st volume, the most recent issue.--MrDopple 18:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Volume 16 seems to be aviable for pre-order with a release date Mar 28, 2007 Fornadan (t) 23:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More U.S. Releases 

message: hum...are there going to be any cut? I wonder...--Wxyrty 01:36, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berserk the anime series is going to be broadcasted at 11:00 pm starting 4/26/07 on animax! 

message: I was looking at the section on Götz von Berlichingen and I find it fascinating. However, the article explicitly mentions that it was his left hand that was blown off. The picture of the prosthetic is right handed. I don't believe the caption is correct, something needs specification or that picture is incorrect.
--MrDopple 19:57, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technicality 

message: Does anyone have any sources on the translation for the full anime title?  Here, "kenpu denki" is translated as "The Strangeness of War."  After checking in several kanji dictionaries and speaking with native Japanese speakers, all of them say the title is actually translated as "Romance of the Sword," or something very similar.  Are there any sources for the original translation of "The Strangeness of War?"  I'm curious :)
-- Divineline 14:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese Anime Title Translation 

message: Isn't Berserk more of a dark fantasy title than a low fantasy? --Mika1h (talk) 19:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. While sections of the story would fit into dark fantasy, other sections don't fit in to an enormous degree with that genre, given the large number of apostles and other supernatural things. Dark fantasy would be much more fitting.--SalamandraNinja (talk) 22:08, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: "and new episodes are still being released in the semi-monthly (every second and fourth Friday of the month) magazine."
Shouldn't this be bi-weekly?  The young animal article says biweekly, and I'm not even sure what semi-monthly even means, sounds like every other month. Jopojelly (talk) 01:51, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: looked it up, semimonthly can be either interpreted as every 2 months or twice a month.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jopojelly (talk • contribs) 02:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. Biweekly only means twice a week, semiweekly only means once every two weeks. It's not ambiguous, just commonly misunderstood. --erachima formerly tjstrf 01:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  semi-monthy is wrong 

message: Maybe it's a coincidence, maybe not - I don't have any sources to back it up. It's interesting that the main character is a one-handed swordsman with an intricate metallic prosthetic named "Guts," and Gottfried von Beerlichingen is also known as "Götz of the Iron Hand", a nickname derived from his remarkable steel prosthesis -- which actually resembles Guts' hand.  Atypicaloracle (talk) 00:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gottfried von Berlichingen 

message: Some of you might be aware of that already, an official project to create animation films of all the chapters of Berserk has been revealed. The first film will be released in Japan within 2011 reportedly. I could confirm the date of 2 articles reporting this news (http://anime.about.com/b/2011/01/05/new-berserk-series-a-feature-film-project.htm, http://www.cinematoday.jp/page/N0029442, Japanese website) as 2011 January 5 and 7, but maybe official announcement were made earlier than that. You can watch commercial films at the Berserk official (http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/cm/index.html).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shigerello (talk • contribs) 06:40, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm wondering if there's a source for "Music by Susumu Hirasawa" in the film info box. It was added in this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Berserk_%28manga%29&diff=439802786&oldid=439767884. The other info there is all quite well known, but I haven't seen any official source for who's doing the music. I know we'd all hope for it to be Hirasawa though :> . Also "Released" should be changed to "Release Date", though I can't figure out how to edit that. — DrPepperPro (talk) 07:05, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Music credit is on the film's ANN page; you are welcome to find any other available sources. Tried editing proper released date tag, but this only seems to work for general film infoboxes. Ode2joy (talk) 16:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berserk Saga Project 

message: Mania.com vol. 33 --KrebMarkt (talk) 15:10, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review(s) 

message: I added "new page" boxes for the sections "Belheit" (which is very detailed for something not directly related to the setup of the series) and "Anime" (there are too many subsections and it is so long it deserves its own page). Is there anyone who has objections? Ode2joy (talk) 16:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Pages 

message: I removed this because it's all unsourced original research. Leaving it here in case you want to incorporate sections of this somewhere else. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 07:17, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical References removed. 

message: What counts as appropriate citation for a work's genre? Isn't reading the damn thing enough to tell?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.98.170.17 (talk) 11:36, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's with the "citation needed" next to the genres?