Talk:Two-cent piece (United States)

message: *Two-cent piece redirects here. Unless another piece of the same name exists, shouldn't this be at that title?
::Australia had one until about 2000, off the top of my head.  They've since eliminated all coins under ten cents.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:12, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Australia still has a 5c coin. This is a great article. Perhaps a little overblown for a coin that hasn't existed for over 100 years but it's impossible to criticise the fine work that has gone into the article. My only issue would be the lack of some notation in the title that it is the US coin. Not only did Australia have 2c coins for longer and more recently but NZ would have as well. Tigerman2005 (talk) 03:13, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, regretfully, I did see that.  It will have to wait until next time I am in Colorado Springs.  I am making a list.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:12, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

text: It's just what we call bronze today.  Contemporary term.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:12, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Stevens didn't say.  I think he really meant verdigris but I'm hesitant to link.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:12, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

text: OK, a few hasty comments above.  I did notice the blurry 1836, regretfully it was the only shot I got of that coin.  I may go to Colorado Springs in September but I don't know my schedule yet.  Thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:12, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

text: I've implemented those comments in one form or another, where I did not respond, except two that I am still thinking about (legal tender and the in god we trust).--Wehwalt (talk) 12:53, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Still, it is the only nonfiction anecdote involving a two-cent piece I have.  There is a fictional anecdote from Penrod, but it's fiction. Pre WWI.  Penrod, as I recall (who is aged about 12), gives a small child a two-cent piece. I proposed adding it to this article some years ago but feelings were against it. Also want to use that Freeman article which is otherwise very specialized (die varieties).--Wehwalt (talk) 13:10, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

text: *Can we at least avoid the mess of commas? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Crisco comments

message: I just moved this article to the precise-enough title Two-cent piece, per WP:PRECISION. I could not find a titling/naming rule at the numismatics project page; if there is some rule mandating the qualifier even when there is no ambiguity, let me know and I'll move it back (and update the list at WP:PRECISION with this exception). Thanks. -- JHunterJ (talk) 20:16, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There isn't a lot of discussion at the Numismatics wikiproject these days.  The thing is, both Australia and New Zealand have issued two cent pieces to my knowledge, and probably a few other countries as well. Not important to me either way.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:04, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  What Wehwalt said. I'd personally like to see it moved back for the reasons he states. Australia had 2c coins from 1966 until the early 1990s. You will note that this page has the qualifier Australian in the title (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_two-cent_coin). Pretty much the same story with NZ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_two-cent_coin). I'd ask JHunterJ to move the page back to something that identifies the article as being solely about the American coin. Tigerman2005 (talk) 03:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

text: *We would have to standardize the naming though. Perhaps Two-cent piece (New Zealand), Two-cent piece (Australia), and Two-cent piece (United States). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:36, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I guess that's the best way forward. Unless we went with United States Two Cent piece. I don't think we can really leave this article title as it is though. I should add that the word coin is preferable to piece for the AUS/NZ articles. Tigerman2005 (talk) 04:11, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

text: *Easily doable; we can just keep the "piece" redirects for those who aren't sure which to use. United States Two-cent piece just sounds wrong to me (and it appears to be against conventions; see Quarter (Canadian coin) and Quarter (United States coin) for examples using the pattern I suggested. User:Wehwalt? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:51, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well you've got my support. Maybe we should wait to hear back from the original mover? But I don't see it as particularly controversial. Tigerman2005 (talk) 05:20, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

text: *Alright, will move. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:01, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

text: **Sorry, was at a show last night.  I'm OK with the move.  I agree with the move, the word "coin" seems redundant.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:39, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

text: Since this is now qualified from the base name, I've made the base name a disambiguation page, which is the other way to handle WP:PRECISION if all the topics need to be qualified. -- JHunterJ (talk) 10:48, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent result all round. My profound appreciation and respect goes to all of you for the speedy and consultative way it was all handled. The way Wikipedia should be!! Tigerman2005 (talk) 02:06, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Precise-enough title 

message: This article makes it clear that the two-cent piece came into being because people were hoarding coins during the American Civil War, but I don't understand why the war would cause people to hoard coins. Would it be possible for someone to add this information to the article? I am confused as to why anyone would hoard coins at all; we don't have a Coin hoarding article to explain this phenomenon. Neelix (talk) 15:34, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Lincoln's government was issuing fiat money, paper backed only by the promise of repayment, so people hoarded gold and silver rather than spend it.  They at least contained guaranteed value.  Paper money--well, the North could lose the war and then where would that be? Many people in the South turned in gold and silver and accepted paper money and bonds.  That ended badly for them.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hoarding 

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