Talk:Prophet-5

message: I've tried to add a list of albums featuring the Prophet-5 synth, but now I'm only trying to make it clear that it's only meant to be a selected list of famous albums. For where references weren't included, the Prophet-5 should be mentioned on the album pages themselves, so it may not be necessary for me to put additional references. I have spent more than an hour or so setting up the section of the page. For XTC's mummer album, I don't have a copy of the Musician magazine issue that has the reference for the Prophet-5 appearing on "Wonderland", though I do know at least one 1983 issue does contain the reference, having found a result from searching Google books (unfortunately with no preview available). -- Reelcase 13:09, 1 May 2020 (GMT)
:There are a few things here.
:First, every claim on Wikipedia needs a reliable source. This is a fundamental pillar of the encyclopaedia. See WP:VERIFY. If you can't provide a reliable source for a claim, you can't add it to an article.
:If the claim is properly cited on another article, you can just copy the citation from that article. But you can't leave it for readers or other editors to just figure it out. See WP:BURDEN.
:The fact that many of the claims you're adding don't have reliable sources is only half of the problem. The other half of the problem is that you are just dumping an indiscriminate list of information into the article. This information should instead, when it's notable, be integrated into the prose. See WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Popcornfud (talk) 12:24, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, I think that lists of musical works that utilize a particular musical instrument very seldom have any encyclopedic value, and rapidly devolve into WP:FANCRUFT. Such discussions only warrant inclusion in special cases, such as when a particularly notable artist states that the instrument was so vital to the creation of a notable work that he/she would not have completed the work otherwise. Carguychris (talk) 19:55, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally agreed. It's a blight on articles related to music production. Popcornfud (talk) 20:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selected list of albums featuring the Prophet-5 

message: There might be too many artists listed in the Impact section. In fact, there are actually two sentences listing plenty of artists which makes no sense in my opinion and I'm afraid that it's getting too close to WP:FANCRUFT as well. In my memory, this article was cleaned of overabundant artist lists before and maybe this should be done again as it makes the article hard and tedious to read. I think one sentence is enough and the list that is sourced from MusicTech may not considered reliable outright, just because it was in an article there. In fact, that article is kinda Vintage Synth Explorer-like. StingR (talk) 10:46, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - even assuming all the artists are reliably sourced (which I haven't checked), it isn't readable. The prose should really explain how these artists used the instrument, why is this interesting? See the TR-808 article for an example that. Popcornfud (talk) 11:12, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, might be useful to split Impact into subsections, like pop, rock and soundtrack in the first place. StingR (talk) 12:16, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than split material while keeping its basic format, I agree with Popcornfud and would recommend removing any names that cannot be expanded upon, to tell the reader in prose about how the artist used the Prophet-5. Let's make this more informative, less a violation of WP:INDISCRIMINATE. For instance, we can tell the reader that Greg Hawkes of the Cars used the Prophet-5's oscillator sync patch in the song "Let's Go" to get a "nasal"-sounding tone appropriate for synth leads; this was influential. Binksternet (talk) 16:18, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I will look into all of the artists which are sourced and see if there's a way to incorporate them into prose and then those may remain in the article in that form and the rest could be removed. StingR (talk) 21:12, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many artists in the Impact section