Talk:Ukrainian Insurgent Army

message: The UPA fought for Germany all the way until the end of ww2 in Europe. Wikipedia moderators are pro Ukrainian nazis Napalm Guy (talk) 10:58, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have sources for this? KetchupSalt (talk) 12:36, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: My source is that the upa massacred thousands of poles, Russians, and Jews from 1941-1945 with the help of the nazis Napalm Guy (talk) 12:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources referenced in the article confirm that for a time UPA fought against Germans, after having been allied with them. Please stop vandalizing the article.Faustian (talk) 05:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Napalm Guy Once again, please stop making edits that contradict the sourced material in the body. Firestar464 (talk) 01:56, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Fight of Ludvipole 1943, remember 109.229.30.156 (talk) 10:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The UPA were always allies with Germany  

message: A substantial amount of information in the article, often entire sections are completely unsourced. This has allowed the insertion of POV original research. I have marked the appropriate passages and sections with cleanup tags. Per WP:BURDEN and WP:V unsourced material may be removed at any time.
Maintenance tags, especially those regarding citations needed should never be removed, unless the issue is fixed, in this case adding proper sourcing.  // Timothy :: talk  15:00, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup  

message: The Nazis should be removed from opponents since they never opposed the Nazis Czarnick19 (talk) 06:37, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: - Opposition to the Nazis is cited in the article, no explanation of why those citations are incorrect is given. Jamedeus (talk) 22:31, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2024 

message: In opening paragraph its stated:
 During World War II, it was engaged in guerrilla warfare against the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and both the Polish Underground State and Communist Poland.
with a citation that claims; 
 While anti-German sentiments were widespread, according to captured activists, at the time of the Third Extraordinary Congress of the OUN(b), held in August 1943, its anti-German declarations were intended to mobilize support against the Soviets, and stayed mostly on the paper.http://carlbeckpapers.pitt.edu/ojs/index.php/cbp/article/view/164/160
but when you investigate the citation the full statement reveals more context disproving the claim itself; 
 The UPA had three main targets: Soviet partisans, Poles, and Jewish refugees, while Germans were generally exempt from UPA attacks.126 While anti-German sentiments were widespread, according to captured activists, at the time of the Third Extraordinary Congress of the OUN(b), held in August 1943, its anti-German declarations were intended to mobilize support against the Soviets, 'and stayed mostly on the paper.'  They did not result in any major, or lasting changes in the OUN’s relations to Nazi Germany'.127The OUN(b) leader Mykola Lebed’ opposed military attacks on German interests,128 and Roman Shukhevych strongly opposed the decided anti-German actions, wanting to aim all attacks exclusively against the Soviets.129 
which in turn disproves another claim made further down
  ..From late spring 1944, the UPA and OUN-B – faced with Soviet advances – cooperated with German forces against the Soviets and Poles in the hope of creating an independent Ukrainian state
seems to be some subtle whitewashing going on here and I would suggest the article be further vetted for more of such. Kabiblehopper (talk) 20:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation manipulated to prove false claim in opening paragraph.