Talk:Sivaya Subramuniyaswami

message: This article is non-noteworthy and not even close to being accurate.  The subject, Robert Hansen, was the founder of a very small cult that is Hindu by self-declared affiliation only.  All citations are from the cult's own literature.  They are not Hindu, and cannot be, as religions like Hinduism are part of a larger cultural heritage which Euro-Americans have no claim or authority.  To suggest this organization is "Hindu" is white supremacy.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.15.216 (talk) 17:52, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Request Deletion

message: Sfacets, you mentioned in an edit summary, "this whole article is PR... needs a cleanup." What exactly do you mean by that? Japendranatha 04:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean up

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurudeva 
redirects to this page and I think that should be it's on page and include information on Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami as well as a link to this page.
Gurudeva is an affectionate name for ones Guru
"The shining spiritual being who is the destroyer of darkness of ignorance." Part of the name of His Holiness Gurudeva Sivaya Subramuniyaswami. An affectionate, yet respectful term used to address the guru or spiritual master.
www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/virtue/SVGlossary.html
http://www.answers.com/gurudeva
gurudeva is mentioned in the following topics:
Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami 
Six Gosvamis of Vrindavan
Bhakti Dayita Madhav Goswami Maharaj 
Bhaktivedanta Narayana Goswami
Bhakti Ballabh Tirtha Goswami Maharaj 
Tirukural
Syama 05:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gurudeva

message: People keep on deleting that the satguru is a Western convert to Saivism. It is a fact and should be reported. Even if you want to adopt a Saivite or Vaishnavite tradition, oftentimes, there may be within some sub-traditions as a conversion process. Ramanuja, for example, converted the Jain Hoyasala king to Vaishnavism.
It must be reported that he is a Western convert because some of satguru's views do not fall in line with many Hindu followers. In his conversion section on his book to become a Hindu,
he states: "If he was confirmed or otherwise initiated in another religion or ideology, he must effect formal severance from his previous religion or faith before formally entering the Hindu religion through the the name-giving sacrament." from, How to become a Better Hindu, located at
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/hbh/
Who made him an authority on what Hinduism is?
I have never heard of such a drastic procedure.
Also, a scholar of religion commentated about this group's phenemon in the New York Times:
"Some critics question the temple's religious significance, saying Hinduism is a matter of birth and inheritance, not of spirituality. Saiva Siddhanta's founding guru and most of the monastery's monks are Westerners who adopted Hinduism. "It's sort of white people's Hinduism," said Lee Siegel, a professor of Indian religions at the University of Hawaii. "It doesn't say much about India or India and the Diaspora. It says something about people of my generation, George Harrison Hindus. Most Indians that I ask about the Hindu temple on Kauai say it's very nice. But in a real Brahminical sense, I don't think it can be taken seriously."
from a quote from the New York Times, at http://www.himalayanacademy.com/ssc/hawaii/iraivan/iraivan_in_the_news/
I respect Satguru but we have to accept who he is; this is after all an encylopedia.
Thanks,aa
Raj2004 01:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: conversion

message: This article should be renamed to 'Sivaya Subramuniyaswami', taking away the unecessary 'Satguru' honourific - please discuss.
Sfacets 05:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename

message: One can access the on-line version of How to Become a Hindu at http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/hbh/. I would direct your attention to the list of endorsements by prominent Hindu leaders given at http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/hbh/hbh_reviews_comments.html. 
As to the Iraivan temple, one can find a list of endorsements by prominent Hindu leaders at http://www.himalayanacademy.com/ssc/hawaii/iraivan/island_temple_magazine/isleTemple-04_35.pdf.
I would think their opinion of the temple would carry more weight than that of Prof. Siegel, who is not a Hindu and, though he lives just 120 miles from the Irivan temple, has never to our knowledge visited it. The temple receives thousands of Indian Hindu visitors every year, all of whom appear to regard it "seriously."
Arumugaswami 22:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: conversion

message: As was mentioned above, the article's title currently includes the principal's honorific title, Satguru, which means "true guru". Although it can be difficult to separate the personal names of religious leaders from their titles, because the names often have a laudatory religious meaning, in this case, it appears that "Satguru" is disseverable, since the quote from Klaus Klostermaier refers to him simpy as "Sivaya Subramuniyaswami". Consensus on Wikipedia is to use the simpler and less adorned forms of names whenever possible. I suggest a move to Sivaya Subramuniyaswami—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 01:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: I see no dispute open here anymore. Can we remove the tag from the article?  Natha 67.52.81.242 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Natha, I'm not sure what you are referring to.  There is no move tag on the article anymore.  There is only a section called Requested move, which should stay in place as a record of the move and the discussions that preceded it.  Maedin\talk 10:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I mean the disputed content tag. What is credibly disputed in it? (I do not object to its need of being more Wikifyed as far as style goes.) Natha 67.52.81.242 (talk) 22:22, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no one replied to what disputed points remain in this article, I will remove the POV tag. The tag about the tone will remain. Natha 20:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

text: POV refers to facts. The sentences Imipak quoted are not facts, just peacock terms and peacock writing. The article does need work, as the tone tag implies. Natha 20:18, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Close dispute

message: I would think this article should mention the time in the Nevada ashram; the building was purchased in 1962 [from a modern painter, Zoray Andrus, who'd used the building as studio/home/school], occupied in 1963, most ashram functions shifted to Hawaii in 1970, but with printing still being done in NV until 1979.  The building burned in 1983, before a sale of the property was complete.http://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=274
69.227.143.204 (talk)jld  —Preceding undated comment added 05:47, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of Nevada? 

message: World religious parliament is a distinct organization from Parliament of the World's Religions whose website is here. The first is Hindu-centric with headquarters in New Delhi, where they did have an event in 1986 at which Sivaya Subramuniyaswami was honored at, as discussed in his own book "Living with Siva" here and in his New York Times obituary here. The PWR, on the other hand, has headquarters in Chicago and is by comparison more manifold in representation. As such, I have removed the citation needed tag from the introduction. Please advise if any issues. Best, Ramwithaxe talk 02:56, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  World religious parliament citation request 

message: Pancha Ganapati redirects here. But the page contains no mention of it. Do we want to go back to a separate page, or should we add something here? DJ Clayworth (talk) 14:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Pancha Ganapati