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message: All the dates in this article are much older than reported elsewhere, e.g. "Pigs were domesticated in Mesopotamia around 13,000 BC" (!). Could it be that the dates are actually Before Present (B.P.), and not Before Christ (B.C.) as stated?
Arekrishna (talk) 14:28, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  The pig date certainly looks 2,000 years too old. I checked several other dates and they seem to be ok, so I doubt there is any systematic issue here and would dispute your "all". I'll fix the pig date now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:03, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: On the topic of dating irregularities, I notice that the sheep date says "between 11,000 years ago and 9000 BC" which would mean the same date, right? As it is 2000 CE, 11,000 years ago would be 9000 BC(E). Thomas Bartanen (talk) 04:26, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Eh? Basically, every claim in the article is cited; if you mean the lead section, it just summarizes what is in the rest of the article so we don't introduce new stuff there, or repeat citations given in the body. If you have newer and better sources which contradict a claim, then go right ahead and replace the claim with the new one and the new citation: there's nothing to argue about here, it's all down to the quality of sources. Please format anything you add exactly like the other citations in the article, i.e. use the  template. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:37, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

text:  In that case (with the later date) the right thing to do is just to remove the material, as it's not specially early. I've removed it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: Here is an example:
" Céide Fields in Ireland, consisting of extensive tracts of land enclosed by stone walls, date to 3,500 BC and are the oldest known field systems in the world." 
The sources actually state that the Ceide Fields are the first enclosed fields in Europe. This is of course a very different statement than the one in the Wikipedia article. Of course even a passing knowledge of Egypt will cause one to immediately question the bizarre notion in the quote above.2600:1700:6D90:79B0:89D4:DBDB:FDE1:F1B3 (talk) 13:12, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You are welcome to correct this and any other errors in the article. – Joe (talk) 13:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow. What a poor article. Early development section 

message: Here is an article (re-published from another credible source) about nascent farming that happened much earlier.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150722144709.htm
I believe there might be more sources to be found, so it looks like we need to incorporate this info somehow on the relevant pages. I leave it to more experienced editors, also specializing in agriculture. 2601:1C0:CB01:2660:357A:21B9:B06A:653A (talk) 03:17, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Early farming

message: I have removed a recent addition regarding rice-domestication in Ganga valley. But a recent paper (Ray, A, et al. 2020) published in a peer-reviewed journal has disputed the claim. The study concludes that . ChandlerMinh (talk) 19:09, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domesticated rice in South Asia 

message: Currently, the article states that “Egyptians were among the first peoples to practice agriculture on a large scale ... between around 10,000 BC and 4000 BC”, based on the citation of Janick, Jules (2002). "Ancient Egyptian Agriculture and the Origins of Horticulture".
Well, I’ve read Janick's article and it doesn’t really say it. From what I’ve looked up so far, on a large scale, Egyptian agriculture started at the Faiyum oasis.
Britannica says,
https://www.britannica.com/topic/agriculture/The-Nile-valley 
“By the first quarter of the 7th millennium BP [around 4750 BC] in Al-Fayyūm, some villages were keeping sheep, goats, and swine and cultivating emmer, barley, cotton, and flax, which was woven into linen.”
And only later agriculture moved to the Nile plain. So we seem to have a problem here. I’ll correct this area if nobody objects. Y-barton (talk) 16:11, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This statement is essentially unverifiable, because what does "large scale" mean? The Egyptian Neolithic, at places like Fayum, is usually described as starting late and being much less reliant on agricultural modes of production than e.g. the Levantine Neolithic. But it's also poorly well understood: partly through lack of research, partly because it's assumed that prehistoric Egyptians also would have preferred to live in the Nile valley, meaning any sites they left behind were probably destroyed by later settlement or buried under metres of alluvium. If we're going to highlight ancient Egypt in this article, surely it should be for its irrigation technology in the dynastic periods, not its comparatively undistinguished Neolithic? – Joe (talk) 18:19, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, of course, this issue is bigger than simply what happened in Egypt. And from my previous research, the same or similar issue arises in Mesopotamia, for example. In that area, it’s believed that the floodplains of lower Mesopotamia were settled by agriculturalists later than the areas in Northern Mesopotamia that were more mountainous. Most of the early domestication of crops and animals was done in the small mountain valleys; it’s well documented. I don’t have citations handy for all this right now, but this is widely admitted. Basically, first they had to practice on a smaller scale (like in the Faiyum), and then moved the show to the bigger places like floodplains. Y-barton (talk) 15:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egypt early agriculture 

message: No mention under the heading organic agriculture of Albert Howard and Gabrielle Howard, about whom the page Organic farming says "[are] the founder[s] and pioneer[s] of the organic movement". Instead all credit is given to "biodynamic agriculture" which is recognised on Wikipedia as pseudoscience. Wallby (talk) 15:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organic agriculture heading fails to mention Albert Howard and Gabrielle Howard