Talk:Wiretapping

message: I disagree that the subjects of telephone tapping and voice logging should be split. These are different technologies used in different industries. Telephone tapping is a technology used in the security industry to intercept calls on public telecommunication networks. The purpose for this is to analyse these intercepted calls in order to find evidence required to prosecute suspected criminals or terrorists. These calls are intercepted without the suspect being aware of it. Voice logging is a technology that is used in the call center industry. Calls to private communication systems are recorded for the purpose of resolving legal disputes and quality control of call center agents. These calls are recorded with the caller aware of the fact the the conversation is being recorded.
Although the basic recording equipment is very similar, the software applications that control the recorders differs significantly.
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Yeah, I think it should be changed back ,or make wiretap redirect here. Also,
this sentence doesn't make any sense, or is hard to follow: "Under United States federal law and most state laws there is nothing illegal about one of the parties to a telephone call recording the conversation".
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The title should be changed (back?) to the more general term "wiretapping", and content of this article
should include internet issues.
The first version of text of this article was taken from http://secdocs.net/manual/lp-sec/scb7.html which is licenced under the GFDL, and hence can be used in Wikipedia
:Are you sure about this? That document includes invariant sections that may not be removed. Unless we include those invariant sections in the article, I believe that the article is in violation of the license. AlexanderWinston 15:58, 2004 Jun 6 (UTC)
Anyone want to add the US Navy's tapping exploits in the Barents Sea?
I tried to make the article less US-centric. In an international encyclopedia, comments on legal matters should generally be localized to a certain country, or at least to a class of countries with similar legislation. David.Monniaux 14:34, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Telephone tapping and Voice Logging is used in different industries 

message: The Bush Administration has repeatedly asserted and acted under the doctrine of executive unitary power, that the president may take steps to ensure the protection of Americans, beyond those legally excluded by federal law. In theory, the president may order wiretapping on whomever he so chooses. Gonzales has been suggesting there are other surveillance programs in operation. Could I suggest this article be updated considering the president has acted this way since September 12, 2001, instead of implying that western democracies have strict, defined guidelines on how telephone tapping is conducted. - Shiftchange 01:06, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal Status 

message: I have a problem with this section and before I change it wish to discuss it here:
"Recording the conversation - the person making/receiving the call records the conversation using a coil tap ('telephone pickup coil') attached to the ear-piece, or they fit an in-line tap with a recording output. Both of these are easily available through electrical shops. A more modern alternative is to use telephone recording devices connected to computers, such as PhoneValet Message Center. Most who record telephone conversations, such as journalists, will refer to the recording for their work."
First of all - this is NOT Tapping - that requires a 3rd party to record the conversation of parties 1 and 2. This is straight forward RECORDING. Moreover I wish to change it to reflect that it's perfectly legal to record conversations within the uk (and you don't have to inform the other person on the phone).
--Charlesknight 13:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC
Long after the above: there is now (don't know if it existed before) an article on telephone recording laws which covers the legality. At present there are 3 overlapping articles: "Telephone tapping", telephone recording laws, and lawful interception. I would suggest that we need two articles, with redirects from other wording:
* one for techniques of monitoring and recording calls, whether by one of the parties to the call or a third party (the techniques are mostly the same, except for the need for tapped information to reach the tapper)
* one for the legal situation, covering illegal tapping, legal or illegal recording by a party, and lawful interception.
(or we could be really confusing and call the two articles "telephone tapping" and "telephone taping")
Pol098 (talk) 12:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tapping 

message: I was hoping this controversy would have it's own article.  Well if not
"
The most recent case of U.S. wiretapping was the NSA warrantless surveillance controversy discovered in December 2005. It aroused much controversy, after several people accused President George W. Bush of violating a specific federal statute (FISA) and the United States Constitution. The president argued his authorization was consistent with other federal statutes (AUMF) and other provisions of the Constitution, was necessary to keep America safe from terrorism, and could lead to the capture of notorious terrorists responsible for 9/11."
this got resolved some right?  Some courts ruled it was illegal?  Mathiastck 09:03, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Bush and Wire Tapping 

message: Everything I have read about this is contradicted someplace else.  In Illinois, two party consent is necessary.  However, most of the people at businesses and government agencies think that permission to record only applies to them.  For example I had this conversation yesterday.
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Other person:  This phone call is being recorded.
Me:  Yes it is.
[pause]
Other:  You are recording it?
Me: Yes.
[long pause-he was talking to somebody else]
Other person:  You do not have my permission to record the conversation.
Me:  It is a two way street.
Other person:  You cannot use this recording in a court of law.
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Most of the time they just hang up.
I have read some of the Illinois statutes, however, I cannot find any precedence or case history of how they have been interpreted.
helma_van_liempt@hotmail.com Adrievanliempt200* (talk) 11:29, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Home taping 

message: It was suggested to merge Voice logging (and Telephone recording, which turned out copyvio) to merge into  Telephone tapping. I concur with this idea, since the topic is basically the same. 
At the same time, since the article becomes quite large, I would suggest to split some logical subarticles , one of them being Technical means for telephone tapping or something, keeping in mind for possible overlap with the "Covert listening device" article. 
Another IMO quite separate topic is Mobile phone location and tapping, from section Telephone tapping#Location data and other articles, such as GSM localization and others in :Category:Mobile telephony. `'mikka 20:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Last month (May 2011) User:sadads re-opened the proposal to merge this article. I would agree that it is a bit of a stub that might be better as a subsection of a more substantial article. However, telephone tapping isn't necessarily a superset of fiber tapping (since the information being tapped might or might not be a telephone conversation). Another possibility might be to merge it as subsection of Optical fiber. I have just put a link back to here from that page, where the article briefly mentions about the possibilities of tapping. Alternatively, the article could be just left as it is, and encouraged to be developed. Just my thoughts. TheAMmollusc (talk) 11:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge (and split) suggestion 

message: How could Bobby Kennedy have wiretapped Martin Luther King in 1966?  He was no longer attorney general and had not been  for 2 years.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.36.18 (talk) 00:29, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kennedy wiretapping King

message: Hello,
on this dutch newspaper there is an article about telephone tapping: 
http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article1105678.ece/1.700_gesprekken_per_dag_afgetapt
translation of first part:
Rotterdam, 29 mai. In the Netherlands telephone tapping happens every day as much as it happens in the USA in a year. In the second half of last year there were 1.681 conversations tapped each day, in the USA there were only 2.208 conversations tapped last year.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.160.166.77 (talk) 16:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It also mentions: 'The data shows that the Dutch police tapped 12.491 different phone numbers in the second half of 2007.' This information could be used to partially correct the missing citation in the Location data section of the article. --82.171.70.54 (talk) 15:14, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tapping in the Netherlands

message: Under what section of the PATRIOT Act is webtapping allowed? Section 212 of the Patriot Act allows service providers to voluntarily disclose subscribers' content to government agencies when there is a perceived serious risk of injury or death, but does not grant the US Government the power to compel this disclosure. Isn't a more appropriate law here the August 5, 2005 FCC ruling that CALEA (Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act) should be extended to cover ISPs and VoIP providers? I'm kind of too busy writing an essay at the moment to check, source and edit this myself (though if I find any suitable sources in the course of writing my essay, which is on a related topic, I'll include them), but if someone else could check this out, that would be great. --Thegooseking (talk) 12:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Webtapping 

message: This article, at present, seems to be entirely about the history and legality of wiretapping in the United States (apart from a brief mention of Greece in the history section). It should be expanded to explain how other countries have approached this issue, perhaps using some of the content in the Telephone recording laws article (or otherwise renamed to Wiretapping in the United States). Robofish (talk) 15:30, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  US-focused article 

message: There is no article called Telephone tapping in Norway.
Here is a link that might add something to this article.
(Several leaders of police were phoned today, and ordered to appear in court immediately — accused of illegal phone tapping) "Politiledere ble beordret til retten — Flere politiledere ble i dag oppringt, med beskjed om å møte i retten umiddelbart - anklaget for ulovlig telefonavlytting."--85.166.141.237 (talk) 10:38, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Norway 

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message: This opinion was deleted for having no reliable source cited.  It is an interesting issue, however. And if there is an argument for "violation of civil liberties," I would like to see it set forth with references to laws, case laws, constitution, or Bible verses.  Perhaps how one knows what are & are not civil liberties is also a topic worth considering. (PeacePeace (talk) 18:55, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted Opinion: "if not an all-out violation of [[civil liberties]]" 

message: Has the law expanded the wire-tap laws to cover wireless taps?  (PeacePeace (talk) 18:57, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Have the wire-tap laws been extended to cover wireless taps? 

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