Talk:Siege of Orléans

message: I apologize for overwriting what was here before, eliminating almost entirely the previous work on this page. It seemed largely irrelevant and ungrammatical, if not inaccurate. Generally, I try not to do this, since I would hate for it to be done to my articles, but there just didn't seem to be much worth keeping... sorry.
LordAmeth 18:38, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to apologize. Wikipedia is editable by everyone for a reason, and you did a great job on the article. Kairos 22:46, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: Update: fixed a battlebox description that confused the future count of Dunois with the duke of Alencon.  Added an aftermath section with links to the other Loire campaign articles, most of which are newly created.  Added Wikilinks. Durova 16:00, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 08:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
*Support. Olessi 01:10, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Voting

message: The story of Joan's apparently miraculous prediction is quoted in the Joan of Arc Wikipedia article as though it were a simple, historical fact. It is also recounted in, for example, Sackville-West's biography where she refers to Quicherat's 5 volume Proces as well as the Journal du siege d'Orleans. The story is not universally accepted.
On the testimony of what witnesses it is based, and when they testified, I do not know. JFPerry 13:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually that's Quicherat, Volume IV.  Quicherat cites both the Journal du Siege d'Orléans and the Chronique de la Pucelle.  Chronologically this fits the known facts and it's mentioned in more than one source.  Modern historians probably take this seriously because it offers the best explanation for Robert de Baudricourt's change of heart.  The previous summer he had ridiculed her and threatened to let his guards molest her.  Soon after this meeting he sent her to the king.  The prediction itself might have been a lucky guess.  What mattered was that people perceived it as a miracle. Durova 11:22, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Vita Sackville-West cites the Procès Vol 4 p 205 which reports eyewitness evidence. It is to be noted that because of the substantial surviving documentation of Joan's trial and rehabilitation the primary sources about her are extremely detailed, more so than of many eminent people of that age. Statements of fact in the article can be taken to be accurate. Xxanthippe (talk) 06:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Battle of the Herrings: Joan and Baudricourt

message: I've recently received the info via e-mail. All casualties occurred mainly in the first year:
* on October 17 one woman died of cannon fire;
* on October 21 ca. 200 Frenchmen died betweem Tourelles and Saint-Jean-les-Blant;
* on January 18 one home guard arbalester died of cannon-ball in La-Belle-Croix; 
* on January 26-го it's said that one archer from the marshal's Saint-Severe company died by mistake of French cannon-ball near the Banier gates;
* on January 29 there were many casualties, but the number is unknown;
* on January 30 one bourgeois militiaman was deadly wounded by arrow; 
* also some casualties took place on March 19 of 1429 but the number is unknown.
In all the casualties figure is over 204. Brand 13:46, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the siege lasted less than one year.  So it would be surprising if casualties occurred outside that time span. Durova 13:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  French casualties 

message: I noticed that Wikipedia states that a scottish army fought alongside with the French Army. I was under the impession that they weren't there at all. Does anyone know if they were?
--Philip Auguste 21:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about the Scots participating in this battle, but I'm pretty sure they were involved to some degree in the war. France and Scotland had been allies to varying degrees for a while (the enemy of one's enemy and so on). I can't say since when, but it kept going for a while after the war, too: the "Auld Alliance" between France and Scotland also came up in a biography I read of Mary, Queen of Scots.  — AnnaKucsma  Speak! 14:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish Forces at the Siege 

message: Two different images of the same painting are used in the article: :Image:SiegeOfOrleans1429.jpg and :Image:Siege_orleans.jpg. I do not know which section it is more appropriate for, so I haven't removed one. ~MDD4696 06:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm taking off the second one, on the basis that in the picture, the English (longbows) are attacking the French (crossbows), as opposed to the other way around. Though the article does look rather bare without it... 74.32.229.23 19:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicate painting 

message: The article says this was "the first major French success to follow the crushing defeat at Agincourt in 1415". Why don't the Baugé and the La Brossinière count? Web wonder (talk) 04:31, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  the first major French success after Agincourt? 

message: Battle of Orléans should be merged into Siege of Orléans. It is a fairly recent creation, but much of what it says might be salvaged, though it is entirely unreferenced. But the two articles are certainly covering the same ground. StAnselm (talk) 23:30, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: Add a quote by the historian Roger Caratini claiming the battle never happened. Whether he's right or wrong it's a fact that he wrote a book in which he claims that this battle didn't occur. If you have evidence that Caratini is wrong then post the rebuttal, rather than just deleting the original claim.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uanime5 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You have it backwards. the WP:BURDEN of proof is on you to show that it is a non-fringe WP:RELIABLE source. fr:Roger Caratini doesn't seem to be very reliable according to his French wikipedia page. (Hohum @) 20:52, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite. If Uanime wanted to simply claim that the event didn't occur, then yes, the editor would have to show that Caratini is a reliable source. However, since Uanime is specifically labeling it a claim of Caratini's, all that really matters is that Caratini is notable and that we can verify that he claimed it. -- Fyrefly  (talk) 21:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the policy WP:V is clear. "all material added to articles must be attributable to a reliable, published source appropriate for the content in question". Caratini doesn't seem reliable, and it is up to the person adding the material to show that he is. (Hohum @) 21:54, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And the book that was cited seems to be a very reliable source by which to verify that Cartini has made this claim. -- Fyrefly  (talk) 03:43, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Fiction?

message: Following the discussion on the talk page I have re-added this section. Both Battle of the Herrings and Siege of Orleans appear to be reliably sourced from here  and here  (where the distinction is made between the Siege of Orleans and the subsequent Loire Valley Campaign) and the references therein. Generally, I think the two articles are well sourced from these references , ,which were already in the article, but there is always room for improvement. The claim of a lack of in-line citations is hardly relevant because one reference  gives many sources. This is an encyclopaedia article, and it need not be referenced with the density appropriate to a PhD thesis. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find and directly quote a reliable source that states that this battle was a significant event, then you can include it - but only if you do not give it too much weight. What you have done so far is just carried out your own internet-based research. Sillystuff84 (talk) 12:28, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Battle of the Herrings

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: I believe eventually there should be an article about Ceaser's siege of Orleans in 52 bce.Slipandslide (talk) 15:43, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  other events with the same name 

message: She actually said "En nom Dieu"  according to the source cited. And she didn't use American capitalization. 2A02:AA1:1629:6E2B:5CD2:81E6:7EA2:6723 (talk) 13:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Au Nom De Dieu