Talk:DVD recorder

message: Nice work.
In the "DVD vs VCR" section you claim that "DVDs are significantly less subject to wear and damage than videotape" !! 
This is stretching things a bit; DVDs are subject to scratching and are at least as fragile as Video cassettes. They don't have the protective armour that a video has (deliberately designed that way to make consumers buy replacements(?))  Papeschr 10:42, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: They are not subject to wear as far as the recorder or player is concerned. 20.133.0.13 (talk) 13:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

text: After throwing out my VCR after it munched one of my mother's tapes last week, I'm going to have to side with Edeans on this one.  DVDs are indeed breakable, but not while they're being used for their intended purpose.  By contrast, both VHS tapes and the VCR playing them are put at risk every time you use them.  I'd rather have a fairly fragile form of media that works every time you use it than a media format that stores well but threatens to break every time it's used. --M.Neko 10:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD durability vs VHS cassette durability 

message: I think the article is very good. It's better than the German one. I have uploaded :Image:DVD recorder.jpg to the Wikimedia Commons. You could use it for this article.
The author of the German DVD recorder article. --217.250.3.60 14:00, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of a DVD recorder 

message: "Nonetheless, DVD recorders remain costly compared to VCRs, and may require extra steps to initially format the disc for recording and to finalize the disc to view in other DVD players. (This disadvantage does not apply to DVD-RAM and DVD+RW disks, which require no finalization.)".  This statement is true with relation to DVD-RAM discs, but not so regarding DVD-RW discs.  Whilst I can't vouch for all models of DVD Recorders, all Panasonic varieties require that the disc be finalized before it can be played back on a DVD player or any other hardware such as PCs.  What are your thoughts on editing this line and replacing it with, "(This disadvantage does not apply to DVD-RAM discs which require no finalisation due to their random access nature.)" or thereabouts?  Also I think the word 'disk' should be changed to the correct 'disc' when referring to optical media (as is the definition Digital Versatile Disc and Compact Disc)? c-bro 18:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finalisation 

message: This section is old.  I'm planning on deleting it with in a few weeks.  Alternatively we could call it historical comparison or create separate article for it with same title.  Let me know what you think.  Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 02:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That section was completely against the spirit of WP:NOTCATALOG.  Its gone. -- KelleyCook (talk) 21:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How would you say this comparison differs from History_of_video_games_%28seventh_generation_era%29#Comparison?  Or are you going to delete that one also? There are tons of other comparisons I can point you to, if you have an appetite to delete. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 04:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: An excellent strawman argument, as I would give that page an example of a good comparison page.  Very focused (only three units, unlike a dime-a-dozen DVD recorder page) and heavily detailed.  It also includes a use of cost that "may" be justified (launch price only).  This particular table was an incomplete catalog that didn't belong on this page anyhow.  If you wish to make a new page with a list of 2007 ATSC DVD recorders, feel free.  I personally don't think it would survive an AFD, but who knows, Wikipedia is afterall a democracy. -- KelleyCook (talk) 15:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete Comparison of 2007 ATSC DVD recorders 

message: Might be a good idea to  put how much time a stand alone dvd recorder can record. like a vhs tape can take for 6hrs  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.144.43 (talk) 03:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At the lower 'speeds' the horizontal resolution is halved to 360 pixels hence the more jaggy appearance. 20.133.0.13 (talk) 15:48, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  TIME 

message: DVD recorders offer several recording modes with different levels of compression. The highest quality is makes for about an hour of recording. These modes should be detailed somewhere, assuming they are standard across all recorders.--SkiDragon (talk) 02:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Record modes 

message: I noticed that the article has a number of citation links, all [1], that do not link to anything.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.171.40.230 (talk) 17:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Links 

message: I tried to record one game show on the LG DVD+VHS combo recorder, but it became impossible due to copyright issues.  Is it possible that VHS tapes are the only reliabilities to do so, especially when trying to use VCR-2-PC player?  --Gh87 (talk) 07:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  copy-protected TV shows not allowed to be recorded on DVD 

message: I own a Panasonic HDD/DVD combo recorder. My unit is still working fine, but I went out in the market to look for a backup unit. In short, you can't find these units in stores. They appear to have been replaced with TiVo. I used to see TiVO boxes with built-in DVD burners, but I don't even see them in stores any longer. I know that places like eBay still have them (which I ended up doing), but I'm wondering if there are any sources that talk about why the industry pulled away from HDD/DVD combo units. Is it a copyright issue? Did they think that other technologies are better (i.e. PC-based media centers, etc.) Groink (talk) 10:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Doing some research on the matter, there is no one source that explains the disappearance of the HDD/DVD combo recorder. Panasonic hasn't said anything. Neither has JVC or Sony. There are, however, some speculations about its disappearance via message boards. And, maybe by me explaining it, someone can find valid sources we can actually use in the article. One possible reason is that the need for recording and archiving television has been replaced with streaming and P2P. Instead of recording an episode of Desperate Housewives, one can wait a few days and eventually download it from the likes of Pirate Bay or even a licensed video streaming source. This makes perfect sense: TiVo is for people who want to record and watch a show later on, but don't want to save the show. For others, the Internet is basically a HDD in itself. But even if the streaming/P2P was the reason for the disappearance of HDD/DVD units, I think it was much too soon. For one, streaming/P2P is built purely on the interest of the person providing the content. Just pulling a number from out of the air, only one percent of all programming is actually downloadable. For everything else - especially sports and regional programming - you can't find these shows. And, try recording the final round of The Masters on even a dual-layer DVD-RAM - you really can't without major quality loss. Another huge impact on the loss of the HDD/DVD recorder is the re-sale market. While DVD recorders' "blue book" value are virtually nothing on the used market, the HDD/DVD recorder price is about 50 to 60-percent of the original retail price. For a unit that is five or six years old, just a 50-percent drop in value is simply amazing! A Panasonic DMR-E85H still sells for over $400 on eBay. And, as I've been monitoring these units for the last two months, the average winning price is rising. This is unprecedented for an electronic appliance! Hopefully, this information can be used as an outline of sorts for editors who want to take this article further and actually find reliable sources. Groink (talk) 02:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: DVD/HDD combo recorders are still available in the UK but then again TiVo (as opposed to generic equivalents) never really caught on over here. 86.112.200.84 (talk) 14:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD/HDD combo recorders no longer being made 

message: Suggest article should include a mention of Recording speeds/times/resolutions/data rates
Speed	Recording time (Single layer 12cm)	Resolution (PAL)      	typ data rate (aprox)                   	remarks
HQ   	> One hour                        	720 x 576 ("Full D1") 	9450 Kbps                               	Audio (typ) 256 kbps @ 48KHz.
SP   	> Two hours                       	720 x 576 ("Full D1") 	4750 Kbps                               	Commercial Movie DVD's normally use this speed.
LP   	> Three hours                     	352 x 576  ("half D1")	                                        	Audio (typ) 256 kbps @ 48KHz.
EP   	> Four hours                      	352 x 576  ("half D1")	                                        	Audio (typ) 256 kbps @ 48KHz.	(see note below)
EP   	> Six hours                       	352 x 576  ("half D1")	                                        	Audio (typ) 192 kbps @ 48KHz.	(see note below)
SLP  	> Six hours                       	352 x 288             	                                        	Video degradation particularly noticable.
MLP  	>  Fourteen hours                 	352 x 288             	                                        	Video very poor. Audio (typ) 96 kbps @ 48KHz.
SVCD 	aprox 35 minutes                  	480 x 576             	1575 kbps typ (2600 max 2756  inc audio)	Included for comparison. Audio (typ) 224 kbps @ 44.1KHz.
VCD  	aprox 74 minutes                  	352 x 288             	1150 kbps                               	Included for comparison. Audio (typ) 224 kbps @ 44.1KHz.
Note: The  terms HQ/SP/LP/EP/SLP/MLP may not be univerallly applied by all manufacturers. In NTSC countries "Full D1" resolution is 720 x 480
86.112.200.84 (talk) 14:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, the recording times are not standardised beween manufacturers, particularly the longer playing times although the recordings will usually play back on alternate machines (with less compatibility as the recording time gets longer).  For example, a three hour mode is far from universal.  The longer durations also vary widely as to the actual max. recording times implemented.  However, a suitably genericised table could be used to give an idea of how the quality varies (the change points of video resolution are pretty constant). DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 19:04, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Recording speeds