Talk:Arya Vaishya

message: #Where are Yenkat Setty's comments are they deleted?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.210.48.75 (talk) 17:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vasavamma - vishnuvardhana [[Rajus]] Nemesis

message: #Yenkat Shetty and 122.171.19.37 are trying to start caste feelings that did not exist. They post warnings on the Komati pages warning of Rajus vandalizing their pages and do the same on Raju pages warning of Komatis vandalizing. The truth is no one was vandalizing each other’s pages, it was only these users, and who is probably the same people hiding like a coward. Also they are the ones to bring in all this racist issues that were not a part of either article. Yenkat Shetty wants us to have some Dravidian superiority feeling while at the same time he is the one who put in the statement about Vasavi being a fair, light eyed, light haired beauty. The guy is a hypocrite with some insecurity issues. Ignore the sob.--Aphistory1 (talk) 19:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC
#Bhayya, what turned you this way? You are very worried about dividing the integrity of India. We Indians would never learn, hence we are ruled by foreigners and never did we ever rule a foreign country.signed comment added by KavyaSrinivasanV1984 IITK  (talk)
#those who are worried more about some other's caste than their own are destined to born in it.
You are wise and educated. You don't need anyone else’s advice. Thank you,
#you should realise as a grownup that you are the one using the words Aryan and Dravidian in the articles.
When the Komati article was first started it never had all the racist words that you laid foundation to.
No one is claiming any denomination. And you should also learn that "your" Aryan Dravidian theory has been abandoned long back. The problem with you is that you are a big racist. The ego problem is with you. By the way we never claimed that we are big and Aryans. I assume that as a grown up you should have the least common sense that all Indians are mixed and about you northern white concept, India has been occupied by forces and people have been raped. The people that claim Aryan descent in India are mostly the rape victims. I am sure that people of your sort never could be changed but who knows if you don't believe God and just believe in all these crap racist theories, then just let it be so. FATE has been laying hand on one and another someday. May be it is your day now; it could be some other's some other time. Thanks for your contributions from your point of view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toubrojawiki (talk • contribs) 08:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Yenkat Setty, IPs 122, 210.210.48.75 

message: Andhra Vaisyas like millions of North Indian Vaishyas (Banias) were Jains during medival and pre-medieval times. They were followers of Gomatheswara. Under the inflence of Ramanuja they adopted Sanatana Dharma and became predominantly Vaishvaite. The name Komati was dervied from Gomatha. There were many Jains in other communities such as Kamma, Reddy etc., too. Remants of 'Komati' name are occasionally found E.g. Pedakomati Vemareddy, Komati Naidu, etc.,Kumarrao (talk) 05:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gomatheswara

message: This Arya Vaishya wiki page is pretty confusing to the people who are not familiar with the Caste. There are three sub-sects in Komati. 
* Arya Vaishyas (Arya/Gavara Komatulu)
* Kalinga Vaishyas (Kalinga Komatulu)
* Thrivarnika Vaishyas (Thrivarnika Komatulu)
Arya Vaishyas are Orthodox Vegetarians. While the other two sub-sects of Vaishyas are Non-Vegetarians. 
Note: Need to find valid resources to put the following information mentioned above.
That being said, let me move on to the references quoted in the page. I see that most of these references are of books by authors who have little or no grasp on the caste hierarchy. I don't mean to offend anyone, but they haven't done their research completely.  Atleast from the books that are on Google Books, I see that there are a couple of mistakes. Sadly, I'm not able to find any reliable books by Indians who have authored well-researched books on the Caste Hierarchy in India. 
There are various differences between the Banias and Vaishyas although they both had a similar purpose which was to establish Trades, Trade Routes, learn languages of the places they've visited, learn and teach the people about agriculture, Banking, act as medium between the farmers and common folk in selling goods. There's a saying within Arya Vaishyas that goes "The customs change as soon as one crosses the river" (The river mentioned here is the Godavari river). 
I sincerely request other Wiki Users to mention some old books in the resources section of the page, even though they're not written in english. If it goes with WP:IRS and WP:RS then we may correct the mistakes together. Sadly and unsurprisingly, most of the Caste pages on Wiki are messed up.
The Ajan (talk) 13:30, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading Sub Headings 

message: In response to the statement that someone put up
"The Arya Vaishya of Coorg were designated by the Kalelkar Commission as being a Other Backward Class" with a reference of "Agrawal, S. P.; Aggarwal, J. C. (1991). Educational and social uplift of backward classes: at what cost and how? : Mandal Commission and after"
The Arya Vaishyas were never OBCs the commission did not have the right rules to designate certain castes as OBCs or BCs. The Govt. of India rejected it due to the same reasons. If you want know the OBCs of India, go to http://www.ncbc.nic.in/Centrallistifobc.html, and for added reference check this India Vision 2020: The Report (http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/India_Vision_2020.html?id=QubrbAXrzhkC&redir_esc=y)
-The Ajan (talk) 13:19, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, the statement is qualified as being the designation given by the Kalelkar Commission, which you appear not to dispute. You are saying that the commission's designation did not in fact take place and for that we would need some sort of source. We cannot use the present lists provided by the NCBC because they only show the current position and, as I am sure you know, communities are added and removed from the NCBC lists from time to time. I cannot find any mention of the Arya Vaishya in the other source that you provide (India Vision) - could you perhaps give a page number? Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 08:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Page No. 496, Paragraph No. 2. - The Ajan (talk) 13:37, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arya Vaishyas are NOT OBCs 

message: Kindly provide references for the edits you make. Do not remove the present references unless you have another reference that conflicts it. 
We know that "Gaurava and Kalinga are subdivisions of Komtis (just like Arya Vysya is a subdivision of Komtis). They are not subdivisions of Arya Vysya.", but this is Wikipedia, we need sources to prove that. General Knowledge or information passed down from our elders cannot be put on Wikipedia unless we have valid references. Check Wikipedia:Verifiability. 
The Ajan (talk) 01:27, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: For your kind information you are not Telugus therefore pronounce the sub-divisions as GA.VA.RA-KOMATI and Kalinga-KOMATI. And pronounce KOMATI as comma-tee Don't write as you  likeMondivadu (talk) 17:42, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Users Nostalgichalf and others 

message: 1. Komati is a Dravidian TRIBE from Andhra Pradesh in South India. (Tribe means all the people who descended from a single common ancestor) 
2. Caste means BREED not a professional organisation 
3. Caste is a tribe or BREED i.e. it has a unique Y-chromosome. 
5. ARYA VYSYAS ARE NEITHER ARYANS NOR VAISHYAS  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.49.82.93 (talk) 22:21, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There is already an article on Komati (caste). Why is another one needed? - Kautilya3 (talk) 08:24, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what is going on here among the swathes of comments but the move was plain wrong and I have reverted it. A merge with Komati (caste) might be appropriate but Mondivadu needs to get a grip of WP:V and stop engaging in original research and synthesis. - Sitush (talk) 08:48, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Komatis : Article is Rotten, They are a Caste of Andhra, of  Dravidan Tribe, they inherently are neither Aryas nor Vaisyas 

message: @User:Vin09,@User:Sitush,@User:Joshua Jonathan,@User:Iṣṭa Devatā 
I have reliable source to prove that we Komatis are not Aryans(who are Caucasoid).
We Komatis are Australoid in ethnicity, and we speak Telugu a Dravidan Language
Please check for yourself at http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/7/28/table/T1,  entry #47 Komati
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/7/28/table/T1Kindly checkout ethnicity and language family of this group </ref>
Therefore it is a point to clarify that we are not related to other castes/sub-castes of Northern India who are primarily Caucasoid, and speak Indo-European languages, otherwise it will amount to misleading, cheating others like other castes Agarawala, Banias, Guptas. 
How can one claim to be of a Mongol origin settled in  if his/her ethnicity proves be to Caucasoid.
This is exactly the case of 1.Komatis(claiming themselves to be Aryan) and, 2.Kapu who claim to be Caucasian when their ethnicity is Australoid. Dravidan languages are generally spoken by ethnic Australoid populations of South India.
Keeping this in mind Wikipedia should not entertain fake claims, I as a contributor strongly opine, suggest
#49 Kappu Naidu,#50 Kapu Reddy who generally claim to have migrated from north much like Komatis(labeling themselves to be AryaVysysas) seem to be  lie blatantly for some personal selfish gains are all Ausraloid in ethnicity.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/7/28/table/T1,  'entry #49 - Kappu Naidu, and #50 - Kapu Reddy'
Indian government should not have had entertain such fictitious claims without prior verification.
For sake of comparison for claims about ingenuity of ethnicity of populations from North Indian(Caucasoid Aryans) settled in South India since ages, only 1)Lingayats of Karnataka (speaking Kannada) [#37], and )Iyengar Brahmins of TamilNadu (speaking Tamil) [#35] qualify to have migrated from the north and settled here in south because they are Caucasoid in their ethnicity. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/7/28/table/T1,  entry #47 Komati.
Ethnic Aryans(Caucasian) in Telugu lands are entry #45 - Andhra Brahmins, (speaking Telugu), Lambadis [#54] are only ethnic Aryans(Caucasian) and speak Indo-European language in Telengana and Andhra Pradesh.
Others are just plain imposters
Mondivadu (talk) 07:20, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Where does the Wiki-article state that the Komatis are Aryans? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:25, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Komatis Ethnicity(Australoid) and Language Family(Dravidan) 

message: Present Community Article is very much relevant as its in accordance with the Caste reservations and affirmative action policy as stipulated by the government of India. 
If you have any reference or proof of the contrary where Arya Vysyas are under any BC, OBC or SC or ST category or covered under the minority benefits scheme applicable to the Jains. Please reference them instead of vandalising the page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by WiseWik (talk • contribs) 02:40, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  USer Sitush has started Spamming this Page and request him to justify the reasons for the change? 

message: The community is very poor and were well to do only for some years.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.53.194 (talk) 23:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poverty Amongst Arya Vysya's 

message: you cannot keep adding this without citing a reliable source. Please see the information at WP:V. - Sitush (talk) 07:37, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing meaning of name etc