Talk:New Utopia

message: Check out the original version of the article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=New_Utopia&oldid=4184312
You'll see it doesn't make presumptions that this is a valid project, as its website only claims it is valid.  In fact, it always states new information will be available next summer or in the next few months.  There is more than enough evidence to show that the site's claims are false, and that its associated companies and investors exist in name only.  But in order to retain a neutral, non-biased point of view, recent changes have made the article treat the project and all statements as if they were real.  While I can appreciate this, I feel it is misleading as a whole.  New Utopia is not simply a planned project; it is a highly questionable and intentionally vague series of misinformation meant to syphon money from the overly ambitious and hopeful.  Many have wasted money on the $1500 citizenship fee and currency motivated by hope alone, with no solid evidence on the site to support anything other than a group of people living in Texas and running a bogus website.  
I believe the falsity of the project, and the disinformation it causes should be the emphasis of the article, rather than treating New Utopia as a plausible reality.  It may appear more biased, but would result in being far more factual, I believe.  Ihavenolife —Preceding undated comment added 07:02, 27 November 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There are also factual errors in this article. The SEC charges were not "dropped". In fact Mr. Long or as he was previously known Mr. Turney admitted to defrauding $24,000 but stated he could not pay it because he was destitute.. This must be clarified. — © Alex756 14:07, 1 February 2005 (UTC)

text: Is there really a NPOV debate going on?  I don't see a lot of revert wars or debate about accuracy going on over at the article  There is quite a lot of mention of the fact that many think it is a scam, or else that Lazaraus Long could be deluded.  There is also reference to the proposed principality's attempts to claim legitimacy. Would it be a good idea to take the NPOV warning off?  --SV Resolution 18:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Why is "Principality of New Utopia" a NPOV violation as the article name?  You changed it (edit summary) claiming talk page explanation, and haven't made any such explanation here.  Please clarify.  Georgewilliamherbert 18:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it isn't a principality, it's an investment scam. It looks like we've agreed on "New Utopia", however. --kingboyk 18:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Principality..." is the name the sources use for it, though.  Why do you insist on not following the references on this point?  Georgewilliamherbert 21:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it to the name of the person, as I attempted to refactor as a biography. I've now moved it to this name as a janitor, because that's how another editor has refactored it and his changes seem to be popular at the AFD. It's not my choice of name but I'd accept it as a compromise (I think it should be something like "Principality of New Utopia scam"). If you want it renamed please discuss it at the AFD, particularly if the sources support you; we need to get agreement on that as I suspect the article will be kept. Cheers. -- kingboyk 23:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: As Lazarus's Granddaughter I would Like to say that the critics here are so wrong they have to recorrect themselves over and over to the point that this article is Ridiculous and does not reflect anything at all that is going on today with the Principality of New Utopia. And my Grandfather Lazarus Long is 150% dedicated to the true builindg & development of New Utopia.
:Perhaps you could enlighten us. What is "going on" with New Utopia? --Gene_poole 10:42, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gee, what does he do with the extra -50%? ;-) --ubiquity 21:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Basic arithmetic is obviously not his strong point. --Gene_poole (talk) 05:26, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lazarus' Granddaughter

message: I removed a line which asserted that "Many international organizations have recognized the Principality sovereignty. Including the CCLP Worldwide".  
1) "Many" is a weasel word, didn't find any other references besided the one provided.
2) Checked the link and it was linking to an empty page. 
3) The CCLP site a .com site, was searched and the document itself was not found.
All the above should be enough to allow the removal of the text and reference. Additionally, although not as important and I accept arguable, is the relevance of this Trust in India called CCLP.  The trust is intended to promote education according to their own site, so I am not sure what the relevance of this recognition would be, since there are no inhabitants in "new Utopia" to promote education to. So the does it matter that CCLP does recognize them?. Anyhow since the last point is arguable, I want to sustain the removal on only the first three issue found.  Wikihonduras (talk) 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you clarify this edit, please? I think you make a well-reasoned argument for removal of the sentence about international recognition, but I'm not sure why you oppose a link to Portal:Micronations and List of micronations. I would appreciate your clarification. Thank you, –Black Falcon (Talk) 03:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not opposed at all, if you look at the time codes of the edits, we were both editing the same page at the same time. The links may have been deleted since it seems I was the last one to save. Feel free to add. Sorry for the inconvenience! Wikihonduras (talk) 19:29, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying. Best, –Black Falcon (Talk) 19:56, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed "International Recognition" references 

message: The Republic of Vanuatu recognizes the existence of the Principality of New Utopia as a fellow State. See http://principalityofnewutopia.com/Archive-2004-2005.php  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.11.130.160 (talk) 08:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there an independent (i.e., not published by New Utopia) source which confirms this? -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:42, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vanuatu 

message: Howard turney did get convicted for fraud in 2007 
But  the project are also a fraud  because  the website did move from Texas to Florida to uk 
The website that promoted condos on new utopia did also close down 
Tm bud skillern a guy sign the constitution was convicted for fraud  
The university are fraud because it did move in 2007
That was supposed to be build in new utopia 
Delphi university did get new address in panama after it did have a address in hut river province Australia 
The development plan do not exist neither do the web server  maybe it did get sued for fraud or a settlement by the charter citizens/investors ?ref
(http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=31746956)
\\murakaim boy\\
--82.147.38.2 (talk) 17:25, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fraud 

message: no thing happen since 2007 ? why ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonjeidea (talk • contribs) 14:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing since 2007 

message: here. It only costs $15, but only US residents can buy it. If some kind soul could buy it and send me a copy.... 
The source might be used for the first sentence of this paragraph:
"To date the only tangible evidence of this "nation" coming into existence is the placing of a buoy anchored to the seabed of this submerged peak of a sea mountain range that appears to have been claimed by the Cayman Islands. The placing of the buoy was filmed by a German film crew and broadcast by ARTE television on satellite." 
--Enric Naval (talk) 18:50, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  source for construction 

message: anybody can add this ?
http://www.principalityofnewutopia.com/The%20Constitution%20of%20the%20Principality%20of%20New%20Utopia.pdf
the prinipalety uk verison 
new utopia tulsa verson 
http://new-utopia.com/constitution.html
the other new utopia 
http://www.principalityofnewutopia.com/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.147.38.2 (talk) 14:07, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Now we have two official websites? Well, www.principalityofnewutopia.com was used by Lazarus to post all his messages while he was still alive. I don't see any announcement that they are relocating? Is there some internal fight between two different entities? --Enric Naval (talk) 10:42, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  links no man is a  island ;) and one man utopia is a other one hell 

message: the new  tulsa based new utopia  website was how it looked like before 1998 (just look at way back machine ) a dispiute did not sombody keep the orginal new utopia  from okhlahoma thing before it get sued from sec keep it until lazarus did get dead ?
eh this gyr that are the boss for new utopia now have been a minister for the new utopia since the begining and utnil it did move to briten  mayeb this becuse maurren get sued and moved to britan ?
 part of the boread of govonoers allredy  moved away when sec got sued  m just look at all tidinings...  maurren was on the boerad of govonoer in abut 1998 when the server was in texxas and maybe florida . is it a coniceince that 1/3 of the conuslate and amabsadoers change when the new utopia move servers? and why whould new utopa want tu update its pasports when the biomteric pasports get real 3 yeasr ago in eu and europe and usa now ? 
maybe they have to make a new constuction when the britsh guy say its not a kingdom anymore?
(maureen and the prince would be the normal foks that take over a kingdom when the king get dead...)
im not first langues speaking enghlis man so sorry for all the langues error 
82.147.33.187 (talk) 10:45, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  no man is a island or  fraud foks fuck things up 

message: The article repeatedly uses the expression, "plot of land". By definition, land is above water level. Since the highest point in the Misteriosa Bank/New Utopia is 20 metres (66 feet) below the waves, this needs clarification. Whatever else it is, it is not "land"! Ptilinopus (talk) 03:11, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot of land?