Talk:Battle of Wavre

message: Is there any way to change the battle box so that the "battle after" becomes the "simultaneous battle"? Philip Baird Shearer 12:26, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Battlebox

message: I may just be tired or not paying enough attention to this article, but I found the explanation of the number of forces to be highly erratic and hard to follow. I imagine with both armies in a general state of disarray after the previous battle exact numbers are hard to come by, but that section of numbers doesn't seem to agreed with the infobox data. Can anyone more knowledeable on this subject clarify this perhaps?
::I agree I don't understand it. It needs to be simplified.--Bryson 00:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I replaced what had been there with this:
The French forces were commanded by Marshal Grouchy, who had command of two corps; which formed the right wing of Napoleon’s Army (in total some 33,000 troops and 80 cannons). The Prussian forces were the rear guard of Blücher’s Army placed under the command of General Thielmann who had some 17,000 troops and 48 cannons. 
--Bryson 22:20, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed that section, since it was already in the previous Background section, and in more detail. Clarityfiend 03:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forces section is confussing 

message: Can anyone verify this statement? (Another source says Grouchy did not known Blücher’s forces had evaded him)--Bryson 00:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can anyone verify this statement?  

message: I've pretty much completely rewriten the article take a look and let me know what you think. Tirronan 22:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion

message: I've a few issues with this section:
Background
In the battle of Ligny two days earlier, the Prussian army had been forced to retreat in some disorder. Napoleon sent Grouchy in pursuit with right wing (aile droite) of the Army of the North (L'Armée du Nord) consisting of 33,000, and 80 cannons[1] The French units in the order of battle were:[2]
III Corps (General Dominique Vandamme) 
17,099 - 38 guns 
IV Corps (General Étienne Maurice Gérard) 
15,013 - 38 guns 
II Cavalry Corps (General Remy Exelmans) 
3,392 - 12 guns 
IV (Hussars) Cavalry Division (General Pierre Soult) 
1,485 - 8 guns detached from the I Cavalry Corps. 
5,000 cavalry from the Reserve Army 
Grouchy was slow in taking up the pursuit, giving time for Blücher to regroup his army and advance with three corps to join up with Wellington's Anglo-Dutch army at Waterloo. The fourth, Thielmann's III Prussian Corps of 17,000 men and 48 guns, was left as a rearguard.[2] Thielman's main force occupied Wavre and Bierges while a small flank guard occupied Limal.
* The 1st is why do we have a separate section on the French order of battle here instead of a list and a link to Order of Battle at Waterloo
* The second is Groucy's supposed slowness, I have his orders as given and they are anything but urging him to rush forward.
* It needs to be outlined that neither Groucy nor Napoleon realised how advance the Prussian preperations were in moving to Waterloo, by the time he arrived the last units of II Corp were already leaving for Waterloo.
* The poor orders and lack of coordination need to be laid at the feet of Soult not Groucy.
* The 5 hour delay between writing orders and Groucy's reception of said orders did much to ensure he was in the dark as to what was occurring at Waterloo
* The lack of a viable road to get Groucy's command to the Battlefield in time
* Soult suggested that Groucy be recalled at the early morn of June 18th 1815 and Napoleon refused.
I never really understood but its all there folks, read Barbero, Hofschroer, Hamilton-Williams and Chesney. Tirronan 23:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Background

message: I've given this a light rewrite for consistency (removing capitalisations of "bridge", changed "marshall" to "marshal", etc). I'm hampered by not having many sources on Wavre so I've nothing to add to the description of events. Tirailleur (talk) 11:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hell its 95% my writing and you know I can't spell or use grammer, good job. --Tirronan (talk) 12:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A light rewrite