Talk:Russian nobility

message: The article mixes all categories of nobility in a big pile. First of all, there is a completely separate group of nobility - so called Russian native princes - who are descendants of Rurikidens and few families which actually ruled a principality. Next, descendants of their boyars, lower comes dvoryanstvo which is described in the article. Russian nobility did not have titles, that came with westernization, for example prince Potemkin is a prince of Holy Roman Empire but not Russian prince and in his rank is below them. "Prince" in case of Russian nobility is not a title bit shows that the person descends from the family which ruled principality before the rise of Moscow and abolishment of principalities (udels). In fact it's a part of family name and "prince" or "princess" goes to all children, not only oldest one. 
In Russian nobility does not equal to dvoryanstvo, on the contrary, literal meaning of dvoryanstvo are whose who serve to nobility (i.e., serve to Great Prince or udel princes).   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.125.6.1 (talk) 10:31, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible article, should be removed 

message: *I agree that it should be merged. Gryffindor 13:22, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Dvoryanstvo

message: *Agree. It is quite short and should be able to fit right in. Radagast83 03:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion is about "Russian nobility and royalty", where does the word "ancient" come into play? Radagast83 03:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "Evgeny" is referring to the first class of the aristocracy (the boyars and the noble families established before Peter the Great's reforms). These are referred to in the article as "ancient nobility". DrKiernan 21:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The thing I do not understand in "Evgeny"'s comments is "the concepts ... are ... distinctively seperate (sic)". How can "Russian nobility" and "Russian nobility" be separate concepts? DrKiernan 21:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Russian nobility and royalty

message: I think the nobility was free from corporal punishments, although this privilege was shared with some other social groups. Does anyone have sources to confirm this? I do not have. --MPorciusCato 07:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Privileges 

message: Why should this article cover solely post-Tatar period dvoryanstvo? Nobles (Знать) existed in Rus earlier, at latest since the 9th century. Gantuya eng (talk) 04:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Знать -- more comprehensive term 

message: I added a section on the Cultural Westernization of the Russian Nobility. I spent a lot of time researching the topic, and all of the research is from published sources which are all cited in my addition. Thus, this is not "Original Research," as suggested by the person who deleted my addition. Please justify the deletion. Zbluford (talk) 20:33, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually no. Please read WP:BRD. You need to justify inclusion. → ROUX ₪ 08:07, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

text: Frankly it reads like a bunch of bullshit original research and synthesis but I don't much fucking care anymore, as you're obviously just going to keep editwarring to keep your pet nonsense in the article. → ROUX ₪ 08:14, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural Westernization 

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