Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Melbourne/Archive 1

message: Shouldn't major streets and thoroughfares be broadened to include those such as Acland St, Brunswick St, Smith St, Bridge Rd, etc? All of those are significant, but they're neither in the CBD nor notable for being thoroughfares.
I think it might also be useful to look at setting up a template for the suburbs, following the idea of Blackburn South, and perhaps for other types, if we can get together a suitable example for them. Ambivalenthysteria 11:50, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a link to Blackburn South on the Suburbs subpage. Regarding the streets, prehaps the definition for inclusion should be "major streets in the CBD, major city-suburbs thoroughfares, and other streets with cultural significance, or streets that are a 'district'." I just don't want it to be too broad; unless people start adding the streets they live on out in the 'burbs. (Maybe that's a bit extreme, but there are plenty of major roads that are not that important, and you don't want them all being thrown in). Hypernovean 12:16, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I certainly see your point. I think adding in the cultural significance criteria solves that problem. Ambivalenthysteria 13:38, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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message: Ought the Project's main page have :Category:Melbourne as well as :Category:WikiProjects? Or is it convention to have only the latter? It just might improve the Project's visibility if it had the city's category on it too... TPK 03:09, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Project page categories

message: I was thinking of creating a short template to go at the top of talk pages for suburbs, stations, etc.
For example, a general notice:
This article is related to the WikiProject Melbourne. This Project is an attempt to fill in, organize, and standardize articles about the city of Melbourne, Australia. You can discuss the Project at its talk page.
Suburbs:
This article is related to the WikiProject Melbourne. This Project is an attempt to fill in, organize, and standardize articles about the city of Melbourne, Australia. You can discuss the Project at its talk page. More specifically, this article is a part of the suburbs sub-project, which has its own talk page.
Railway stations:
This article is related to the WikiProject Melbourne. This Project is an attempt to fill in, organize, and standardize articles about the city of Melbourne, Australia. You can discuss the Project at its talk page. More specifically, this article is a part of the railway stations sub-project, which has its own talk page.
I think they would useful for showing people that the Projet exists for starters. Should talk pages be created though were they don't already exist, (like on most of the suburbs articles), just for these messages? The WikiProject Albums does for instance, but still, a lot of them might never be seen... There are definately places were they could be used though. TPK 12:50, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone else see the second two tables screwed up?! I can't find the problem in the code... TPK 17:00, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk page templates

message: What do people think of the progress bars on the main page and a few of the subpages? Its a fairly subjective thing though; so I've worked them out basically as: (beware: maths!)
 "Number of articles created" as % of "Articles required"
where there are a lot of articles; and as:
 "Number of detailed articles" (each = 1 point)
 + "Number of stubs" (each = 0.5 point)
 as % of "Articles required"
where there are only a few.
They mess up the main page a little, shifting [Edit] links and such, but that can be smoothed out. Every few weeks or so they ought to be updated by reappraising the formulas above. The way I see it, these visual cues about the progress of the Project are an important way to keep people involved: hopefully, where they can see there is a lot of work needed, they might help do it. That's the theory anyway...
TPK 12:27, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think they're a bad idea, but there's a few problems. Firstly, in some cases (as with railway stations), adding an article for each one might be one thing, but there'll be a few different stages, IMHO, before that project is complete. Secondly, having a figure for things like streets seems a bit strange, considering that we haven't even made a list of ones to add yet. Thirdly, why are Lord Mayors and Town Halls at 50% when we barely have any? Ambivalenthysteria 13:11, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The things like streets that have no page are set at 0% for the time being, as are the Lord Mayors and Town Halls, or that's how they appear for me... although they should be slightly higher as there are some articles... I need to tinker with them. As for different stages, I guess there needs to be more tightly defined phases in the subpages, so that, e.g., a List of... article counts as say 10%, then every article that is created goes towards the remaining 90%, counting as 0.25 when a stub, 0.5 when partly developed, etc. to 1 when complete. I dunno, there just needs to be more specification of what needs to be done so it can be counted up more accurately. Or prehaps it could be updated via some sort of script. I doubt it though, but I have absolutely no idea :) TPK 13:21, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'progress' sections should be pretty useful for that, as long as they're regularly updated. Ambivalenthysteria 13:25, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Progress bars

message: I've created this template so it can be added along with Template:Stub, and it's What links here page used as an extension of the open tasks list. It'll probably be more useful when there are more detailed articles than stubs, but I'll start adding it now. TPK 17:00, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This'll be useful, methinks. Good idea. Also, I think the WikiProject page itself now looks a lot better (and a lot more useful) after your latest edit. Ambi 03:23, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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message: Hiya!  Finally decided to join the project.  Thanks for the invite Hyper.
I run a restaurant review website for Melbourne, and thought that some of the information from there could be used here.  (I also thought that some of the Melbournites here could help contribute there as well!)  I may also be able to get some photos contributed to the project, not only of restaurants, but of the general Melbourne area as well.
For the people looking at skyscrapers etc, there is a really good website on the architecture of Melbourne at Walking Melbourne that might be useful.  There are also some links from there to other interesting websites on Melbourne.  It seems that Melbourne has a very eclectic and well-known style of building through the ages, and things that I pass on a daily basis, have suddenly become more visible to me after reading about them and learning more of the history.  
I haven't included the link to my restaurant website here as I don't want to be accused of spamming, but if there is an interest, I'll happily post it for you to peruse.
Neolux 01:16, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, well, since no one has responded and I'm not putting this on the main Melbourne page, I'll put it here so we can get an idea of what I'm talking about above.  The website is FoodGod and I'm happy to get some information compiled on various areas and specific restaurants and cafes to be "used with permission" by WIkipedia.  Let me know what you think.  Neolux 12:55, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it'd be an interesting project - maybe even worthy of it's own Wikimedia project. However, I can't see it fitting as part of Wikipedia, and any such articles (unless on something very notable...I've considered writing an article on the Espy, for example, covering the whole development saga) would be fairly likely to end up getting deleted. Ambi 01:27, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Restaurants

message: I've created the Template:WPMNotice which can go at the top of talk pages for pages related to the city and the project, as is the norm with WikiProjects.
TPK 14:07, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Project page notice