Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Journalism/Archive 1

message: It is advised that editors advertise the project to get more people involved with it. One suggested method is to place a notice on the "talk" pages within those articles of relevance to the project.  I'd suggest we develop a template that could be used for a consistent and easy to place notice, but I'm not skilled at creating templates.  Suggested language would be, "Please join the editors working on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Journalism, an on going project to improve all articles dealing with print and electronic journalism." Any help on this is appreciated.  See todo list item number three, above. Calicocat 19:36, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertising project 

message: My view:
#"Business of journalism" would cover topics such as the advertising that pays for journalism, circulation, layoffs, pay, unions.
#"Communications" or "mass communications fill-in-the-blank" could include journalism as well advertising, marketing, public relations, talk shows, whatever.
#"Mass media" includes broadcasting, digital media, most publications (serious, entertainment or whatever), movies, music.
#"News industry" is fairly broad, but perhaps not as broad as the current "news trade" article. It would essentially combine journalism and the business of journalism (as outlined above).
#The current "news trade" article is a bit boggling to me. I don't understand why those elements are put together in one article. Maurreen 05:40, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "Business of journalism" is either misleading or too broadly defined - it should either be "media business" or somesuch, or if it remains as "business of journalism" it should not cover advertising and other commercial aspects of media which have nothing directly to do with journalism. Incidentally, here in the UK "news trade" is used to refer to the retail end of newspaper and magazine distribution. Barnabypage 14:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article titles and scope 

message: I realize that my comments above were not reflective of an understanding of what a Project is, Now I think I'm getting a better idea of what we're doing here, so I stared a new section to better discuss the Project's scope in the light of better understanding of what this is all about. Calicocat 06:34, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles in scope of project, part II 

message: Please feel free to edit this list as needed. This list is in no particular order. Maurreen
#Above the fold is probably not expandable. Could be VFD or redirect.
#:Category:News trade stubs needs to be changed to :Category:Journalism stubs.
#Undue emphasis on:
##Confidential sourcing
#More material needed on:
##Visual journalism
##Broadcast journalism?
## Merge Conservative bias and Liberal bias into Media bias. Refactor Media bias to accomodate new dump-merge from subtopics. (SV)
:I really disagree with this action. Merging articles is not just doing a cut/paste and then blanking out the previous article. We first need to define the scope of the articles that currently exist, we need to get more editors involved in the project by advertising it on the talk pages of articles within the scope of the project. Only after that can the project move to bringing some greater order to this universe of articles with judicious and agreed upon mergers, VfDs and maybe some move/renames, if not whole new articles or major reworking of existing articles. Can you put these articles back to their previsou state until such time as we're all on the same page?  Calicocat 06:04, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Please see the "todo" list at the top and lets keep on track wtih that. We're jumping the gun. We need that advertising template.  Calicocat 05:59, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Areas that need attention 

message: I was thinking I'd like to do a refactoring (is that the right word?)of Journalism project. When I created the Media project, the system generated a long, complex table of contents. I looked that over and think our Journalism project should have that as well and then we can discuss and build the relationships between our project and others thereby calling upon various experts in other fields to help us with questions that may arise in the course of the project, and we too, might be of help to other projects from time to time by providing an ouside view. Here's the method I would use:
#Start a "fake project" just to get the templates going fresh.(I don't think the page would actually have to be created, or if it does, he can be put up for a speedy delete once the job is finished).
Protect all existing content and comments as they currently exist in an external editor. 
Delete all text in existing project
Cut in to the Journalism project "shell" all of the "new" table of contents and sections (all blank)
Restore all content from protected external files
Resave Journalism Project
Archive some initial tentative comments of mine on first reviewing the porject page.
I'll post this to the project discussion page as well.</strike> Calicocat 00:02, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't entirely understand that, but I don't object to it. Maurreen (talk) 04:41, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I took the extra long way around to say that I wanted to add some things back from a standard project model, even if they were still blank. Strike the above above, I'll do it the easy way... which is also the better way... Calicocat 05:03, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  organizing project 

message: Someone has proposed :Category:Journalism and a few related categories for deletion or merging. Maurreen (talk) 00:42, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-Class and good B-Class articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any articles on journalism. Please post your suggestions here. Cheers!--Shanel 06:09, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project 

message: I don't know if members of this project have developed rules of thumb for articles about journalists. It'd be helpful for all of us if there were guidelines. I'm thinking in particular of one biography which reads more like a resume. Now I think that Larisa Alexandrovna is a fine journalist, from what I've read of her work. But even so the article seems too detailed, and the selection of "notable quotations" is subjective at best. Could project members take a look. -Will Beback 06:55, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable reporters 

message: Hi, I heard you don't have an active WikiProject banner template, read below from the current template's talk page:
:I'm being bold here (and not even part of your WikiProject), but if a WikiProject banner template is what you need, try this:
	This article is part of WikiProject Journalism, an attempt to better organize information in articles related to journalism. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
Simpler, standardized code, and it even has a picture of Edward R. Murrow!
--Geopgeop 08:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it looks great and thanks for doing it. Calicocat 10:03, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, that works, go ahead with that. --Geopgeop 07:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Would it be a good idea to add this template to articles about newspapers on its talk page? I have come across several newspapers that have no WikiProject banners, and I figured this would be the best one. If the members of this project agree, I could begin putting your banner on those pages as I come across them. Please leave me a message on my talk page to let me know. Thanks. --Nehrams2020 06:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject banner template 

message: We have a long list of articles in this project page, and many of them redirect to other articles. Would it not make sense to mark in this list the articles that redirect, and to which artile each redirects? Gladmax 01:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of articles 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council is currently in the process of developing a master directory of the existing WikiProjects to replace and update the existing Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  These WikiProjects are of vital importance in helping wikipedia achieve its goal of becoming truly encyclopedic. Please review the following pages: 
*User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Culture Directory 2, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Philosophy and religion Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Sports Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory, 
*User:Badbilltucker/Geographical Directory/United States, (note: This page will be retitled to more accurately reflect its contents)
*User:Badbilltucker/History and society directory, and
*User:Badbilltucker/Science directory
and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory.
The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. 
It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now moved the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 14:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Directory 

message: If anyone has the time and the inclination, music magazine could really use some love. It was rightly nominated for deletion because, in its current form, it's nothing resembling an article. Still, the subject deserves a well-written article. Thanks. Stilgar135 23:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Music magazine]] 

message: Beginning cross-post.
:See Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team#Stablepedia. If you wish to comment, please comment there. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 03:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stablepedia 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards