Talk:Noel Ignatiev

message: Noel Ignatiev has a long history as an SDS leader and later as leader of SDS offshoot Sojourner Truth Organization. The total lack of biographical material and corresponding lack of discussion of the ideological genesis of his theories about "whiteness" is a weak point of this article. Peter G Werner 10:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SDS leader 

message: Much of the wording in this article appears to have been directly cut and pasted from other articles.  The editor should maybe either clean up the wording or delete it.  Just saying... 206.211.166.17 (talk) 19:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Written clones 

message: The timeframe for this article is all over the place. It starts in the 1980s, vacillates between the 50s and 70s and picks up again in the 90's? What?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.133.86 (talk) 23:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning up dates 

message: This section is about a hoax. Its only sources are the original blog post and other primary sources. Was there any secondary coverage in reliable sources of the incident? If not, it should be removed. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:31, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it.  No idea why this should be in here at all. Thargor Orlando (talk) 12:18, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Retirement speech" hoax 

message: Right now, the first line reads "Noel Ignatiev (born 1940) is a radical academician." The use of "radical academician" seems quite inappropriate (and not neutral) to me. I understand that radical, in this context, has a specific political meaning (as opposed to reformist), but I can't help but feel its use here is slanderous. Many academics are political "radicals"; they don't have "radical" in the first line of their page, however. I am removing it to maintain a neutral POV. It talks about his involvement with Marxism below. It's not necessary to use "radical" in the first line. Starvinsky (talk) 02:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "'Radical' academician"? 

message: Apparently Noel Ignatiev has died (10th Nov 2019). Eulogies for this person are being tweeted by supporters. Can you verify?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.34.39 (talk) 16:07, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: The link to www.RaceTraitor.org has been offline since Noel Ignatiev's passing away, in its stead I have added a link to the web archive of the website here https://web.archive.org/web/2019*/www.racetraitor.org where people can peruse the zine's updates over the last 20 years.ConnieBland (talk) 01:39, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Race Traitor Magazine 

message: This man was a disgusting racist. Calls for abolishing a complete race of people is the highest form of racism. Do not try to present him as a "race theorist". He was a disturbed racist. 109.78.140.170 (talk) 06:41, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never seen a more clearly accurate understanding of race relations around the world. This theory extrapolates smoothly to the Japanese and Indian peoples 2600:1700:7264:3160:64E1:8877:F812:1EEE (talk) 07:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

text: It appears the article now mitigates his genocidal intent, claiming he was speaking metaphorically when he said "The white race will be destroyed." But yes, he was an avowed racist, however if you are racist against Europeans you are considered "anti-racist" by Wikipedia's standards. 2001:8003:2953:1900:50FD:2CD8:8930:2A5B (talk) 04:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is just describing his own views, since he saw race as a social construct. I wouldn't call it whitewashing to describe what he actually said. Not everyone agrees with his view, and the article reflect this. Accuring the site of being racist again Europeans is also going way too far. Harryhenry1 (talk) 11:26, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racist 

message: He was best known for his theories on race and for his call to abolish "whiteness".
He has never used the term "whiteness" in any of his books I have read, he explicitly uses the term "white race". 2001:8003:2953:1900:50FD:2CD8:8930:2A5B (talk) 04:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  He was best known for his theories on race and for his call to abolish "whiteness".