Talk:History of the Jews in Kurdistan

message: I've long been curious about these people.
Gringo300 06:16, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Curious

message: Since the article contrasts Kurdish Jews with Muslim Kurds, I felt that I needed to mention that I'd read something a while back about (Gentile) Kurds practicing another religion before Islam. Come to think of it, I think I've heard something about some (Gentile) Kurds STILL not practicing Islam, but I'm not an expert in any of this. 
Gringo300 06:21, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Prior to the mass conversion to Islam, many of what comprise modern "Kurds" were, in fact, Jewish.  If you look back in Mas. Gittin you find mention of several Kurdish kingdoms which were wholly Jewish, including Adiabene.  TomerTALK 05:59, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Or you could be confusing the Kurdish Jews with the Yazidi.
Yup- Indeed, Kurds were mainly Yazidi before Islam. Kurds living before WWII or their descendents do have stories of Kurdish Jews who once lived with them. Most left after the formation of Israel though. I don't think most of these Jews were converts, but were probably descendents of a displaced Jewish Tribe. Many went on to become powerful rulers of kingdoms in the region. Overtime though, they gradually became accustomed to Kurdish culture, while keeping their own traditions. MercZ 01:05, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno.  Tomertalk 00:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: pre-Muslim Gentile Kurds?

message: The article currently says that the Hebrew for Kurdish Jews is, and I quote, "(יהדות כורדיסתאן "Jews of Kurdistan", Standard Hebrew Yehudi Kurdistan)"  This is just plain wrong.  Somewhere.  Either it's "Yahadut Kurdistan" in Standard Hebrew, or the Hebrew should be spelled יהודי כורדיסתאן.  Someone with the requisite knowledge, please fix this.  Tomertalk 00:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Fixed it. PhatJew 12:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hebrew translation

message: I don't like the use of the term Rabbi in this context. I seriously doubt she was referred to by the title or received formal semicha. And, while being the female leader of a yeshiva is certainly notable, it is completely different from the implications of semicha and being a Rabbi that are implied here. PhatJew 12:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your comfort level is hardly a basis for editing in light of WP:NOT, WP:NPOV and WP:NOR.  Can you WP:CITE sources that say she wasn't considered a rabbi?  Tomertalk 10:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

text: This discussion should be held in her article, not here. AucamanTalk 11:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Female Rabbi

message: Here is what I dont understand; why are Jews from the region of Kurdistan considered ethnically Kurdish? Jews from Baghdad were not considered "arab" but they were considerd Iraqi, in terms of nationality. So were Jews from Poland considered ethnically Polish? The Jews from the region of Kurdistan are the same Jews that were deported by the Asssyrians from Judah. This is proven by Jews of Kurdistna region still speaking the Aramaic language (the same language of the Assyrian empire.) I like how Polish Jews is redirected to History of the Jews in Poland and I think the same should be done to this page as well. Chaldean 15:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm under the impression that the Kurdish Jews are actually racially/ethnically Kurdish. Some people would ask if it's possible to be 100% Kurdish and 100% Jewish at the same time. I'm figuring out more all the time that the whole concept of race is far more complex than a lot of people realize it is. But, I still have a lot to learn about Kurdish Jews. (or Jewish Kurds?) Gringo300 05:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Kurdish Jews" 

message: Are Kurdish Jews Semitic? I've heard that not all Jews are. Gringo300 11:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Are Kurdish Jews Semitic?

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left here. Ling.Nut 23:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: Please change the article to 'Kurdistani Jews'.  Or, 'Jews of Kurdistan'.  There has never been a Kurdish Jew.  If anything their nationality is closer to the language they used 'Syriac' than to Kurdish.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.90.17.19 (talk) 12:34:08, August 19, 2007 (UTC) 
It's not wrong. Aramaic is their religious language. Same as a vas amount of Ethnic Kurdish Christians who gradually started to consider themselves as Assyrian since 19th.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.165.90.83 (talk) 08:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Kurdish Jews' is very wrong 

message: Genetically these peoples are the same.
The Seharane spring festival is orginated in the ancient Akkadian spring festival named Akitu.
And many of the first names and surnames of these Jews are in Akkadian since antiquity.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.147.12 (talk) 12:46, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assyrians and "Kurdish Jews" 

message: In biblio, link associated w/ "Schwartz, Howard. The Day the Rabbi Disappeared. Jewish Holiday Tales of Magic. Illustrated by Monique Passicot. Viking, 2000. . $15.99. 80 pp." ain't there any more.  ABS (talk) 00:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link 

message: Why is this included in the article. Yahudoye Othuroye means Ancient Assyrian Jews. There are no othuroye/ancient assyrians living today. There are modern assyrians who claim to be descendants of the ancient assyrians and they, together with the arameans/chaldeans are called suryoye, not othuroye which refers only to the ancient people. Even then, assyrian jews are not the same as kurdish jews and shouldn't be mixed up in one article. The fact that these kurdish jews spoke aramaic doesn't prove that they were assyrians since aramaic was spoken throughout the whole middle east prior to islam while hebrew was virtually extinct. Hebrew was only revived in the 20th century by zionists. The kurdish jews are either kurds who adopted judaism, jews who adopted the kurdish language/culture (most likely) or a mix of both. Ibrahim4048 (talk) 13:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yahudoye Othuroye 

message: shalom!
1- I corrected the Hebrew and its transliteration יהודיYehudei 
2- please note that the photo of the manuscript page File:Kurdish_Jews,_Purim.jpg is upside down, if someone knows how to change that just do it (and please tell me how to, I'll be so delighted) thanks   Hope&Act3! (talk) 23:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: 2- photo  --Hope&Act3! (talk) 18:23, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  1- Hebrew   and   2- photo upside down 

message: This topic is not my specialism at all, so am not editing the page, but I removed the following lengthy section from the History of the Jews under Muslim rule article, and leave it for editors here to decide what is usable.BobFromBrockley (talk) 17:06, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned text 

message: I think that neither "" is Aramaic nor they called themselves Kurdinaye. Anyway, in NENA dialects, Christian and Jewish alike, the name "Kurd" should always start with a Qoph, and if one uses the Jewish Aramaic dialect that renders the Daleth of Jewish to /z/, then the same rule should apply to the word Kurdish as well.--Rafy talk 01:29, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, it should be just הוזייה, without the כורדינייה. I'll change it. Ben Gershon - בן גרשון (Talk) 02:33, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{lang|arc|הוזייה כורדינייה}} as an Aramaic endonym? 

message: A very intresting fact. i know it from my mother side' wich is kurdish. my grandfathr and grandmother spoke it, and aramic to. they are from zakho and dohouk.
no one mention this fact, only the aramic' and i think it should be mentioned/
yoel.132.64.31.100 (talk) 23:33, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it should be mentioned of course. You may add this if you like.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:49, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  the kurdish jews of northern iraq, spoke also kurmanji, and not only aramic 

message: @Rafy, i think we should first discuss your move proposal, because it is complicated - some would say "Kurdish Jews" is same weight as "Babylonian Jews", "Baghdadi Jews" and "Persian Jews" (relating to Jewish communities of Mesopotamia, named on countries which no more exist). "Iraqi Jews" is a modern naming which caught up in the 20th century, thus considering Iraq still exists and no Jews are present there it should indeed be 'History of Jews in Iraq". On the same weight the only closest issue on Kurdish Jews is "History of Jews in Iraqi Kurdistan", because otherwise it confuses what is "Kurdistan" today (Iraqi, Syrian, Iranian?).Greyshark09 (talk) 14:29, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the new title better complies with the "History of Jews in ..." style used with other similar articles. Many other articles like Iraqi Jews were moved without discussion. BTW, Jews were concentrated in the Iraqi region but there were also communities in Iranian and Turkish Kurdistan as well.--Rafy talk 15:31, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about the Iraqi Jews page, but i suggest to make official rename proposal here - let's see some opinions.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:52, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternate name

message: Looks like this article has been renamed from History of Jews in Kurdistan to History of the Jews in Kurdistan. Any objections? Liz Read! Talk! 19:27, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: The religion of the Jews in Kurdistan was Jewish, their nationality was Kurdistani and their language was Syriac, however their ethnic identity is less pronounced. The Jews in today's Kurdistan region converted to Judiasm in 30 AD and were Syriac speaking people, which makes their ethnicity much closer to the Syriacs of Semitic Assyrian stock, than to Aryan Kurds. Not everyone who lived in the Kurdistan region was ethnically Kurdish, in fact Syriac Christians & Syriac Jews are living proof of that. Further, at the time of conversion in 30 AD there were no Kurds in Kurdistan, there is absolutely no historical proof that the Kurdish language, ethnicity, or indeed nationality existed in Northern Iraq at that time. Also, the administration of Adiabene which was the Kingdom that contained these converts was conducted entirely in the Syriac language, it was the official language and even the coins minted in Adiabene contained Syriac lettering, suggesting very much that Jewish Adiabene was ethnically Syriac of Semitic, Assyrian stock.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.34.17.14 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 9 September 2014‎
:Please read Wikipedia:No original research. This encyclopedia collects information already published elsewhere. If sources cannot be found that are easily verifiable by a large number of users, the section should be removed. —PC-XT+ 01:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree this section should be removed. I couldn't find any sources that supports the claims. Actually I've found sources that contradicts them.--Abtalion (talk) 15:54, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic Identity 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:History of the Jews in Abkhazia which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 05:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: Hi, I added below which is by a renowned Iranian Jewish Historian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habib_Levy 
"Volunteers from Adiabene , most of whom were Kurds who had converted to Judaism , sacrificed their lives in these clashes." source : Habib Levy, Comprehensive History of the Jews of Iran, p.108
but it got removed. Why? because it mentions the name "Kurd"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khorler (talk • contribs) 22:25, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why removing data from reliable sources? 

message: This section got deleted. I think its pretty obvious this page is about the history of Jews in the area which is now called Kurdistan. 
"Tradition holds that Israelites of the tribe of Benjamin first arrived in the area of what is now Kurdistan after the Assyrian conquest of the Kingdom of Israel during the 8th century BCE; they were subsequently relocated to the Assyrian capital. During the first century BCE, the royal house of Adiabene was converted to Judaism. King Monobaz I, his queen Helena of Adiabene, and his son and successor Izates bar Monobaz are recorded as the first proselytes.
In 69 CE when the Romans attacked Jerusalem "Volunteers from Adiabene , most of whom were Kurds who had converted to Judaism , joined the Jewish army and sacrificed their lives in these clashes."[10]
Another prominent Jew was Nahum the Mede, who was a first-century tanna of the first generation who came to the Land of Israel from Media in present-day Kurdistan." 
why deleting a complete section when its about the history of "Jews" in Kurdistan"?
 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khorler (talk • contribs) 22:32, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  why deleting a section?