Talk:CSS Shenandoah

message: the picture that states it to be a penciled drawing looks like an album cover being that it says RCA victor in the top left  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.210.134.83 (talk) 22:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Shenandoah Picture

message: En route to the Cape she picked up six prizes -- What's a prize?  Do I need to be a naval or civil war historian to understand this article?
:A captured ship. You must have been home that day. --Wetman 11:03, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Prizes

message: CSS Shenandoah (1864)? Can anybody fix it?  RamBow 11:48, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been merged into this article and is now a redirect. JamesMLane t c 23:47, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is that a same article? 

message: I don't understand this passage in the article (final paragraph of text):
A recent historian of the Shenandoah has assessed Waddell's depredations at dealing a death-blow to the New England whaling industry and crippling Union shipping: in 1860, two-thirds of the shipping tonnage leaving New York harbor was in American ships. Three years later foreign shipping, especially that of Great Britainy, carried three-quarters of the trade.
If the latter datum is from "three years later" than 1860, then it's from 1863.  The Shenandoah wasn't commissioned until 1864.  How can it have been responsible for the observed decrease in American shipping earlier in the war? JamesMLane t c 23:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question re effect on  U.S.-flag shipping 

message: On the sidebar under General Characteristics, the armament is described as XXX cannons.  I thought that the navy always referred to cannons as guns.  See the wiki article on gun.
--Bjskelly 04:54, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cannons? 

message: The article used to read: "The final disposition of this flag is uncertain (a source at the Museum of the Confederacy heard a rumor of the flag being at a maritime museum in Maine)."
I removed the part in parentheses, because it reports a rumor, which is not verifiable (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability). 68.92.149.90 19:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed rumor about final disposition of flag 

message: "...also took on 42 crew who were stowaways from Melbourne." So, there were 42 stowaways found after the ship left Melbourne? All of them enlisted? Doesn't make sense.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.12.252.11 (talk) 00:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stowaways?

message: In 1872 via a international court in Geneva, the British Goverment was found liable for the extensive damage done by the Shenandoah by its sinking of US whaling ships after the Civil War had ended. This case was won by the US goverment; the British were found liable because the Shenandoah had had repairs in the colony of Victoria (Capital: Melbourne),then a dominian of the British empire. The British had to pay out US$15.5 million dollars.  See J.T. Scharf History of the Confederate Navy 1996 ed. pp 811-812 M Bateman-Graham 203.171.197.209 02:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Goverment sued 

message: Is there any known reason why Waddell took Shenandoah all the way from the pacific to Liverpool instead of putting into port somewhere in California to surrender?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.89.166.237 (talk) 06:15, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for surrendering in Liverpool 

message: This article has been automatically assessed for WP:SHIPS as start-class based on its  WP:MILHIST assessment. HausTalk 23:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: Thanks for the clarification there. I was also wondering about that, and think that a simple explanation of the term is warranted (as this is an encyclopedia) -- as opposed to a snark reply.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.71.204.185 (talk) 04:40, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prizes 

message: The article referred to news being received on August 2 of the war's "termination some 4 months before"... presumably this is a reference to Gen. Lee's surrender at Appomattox on April 9 (widely and incorrectly believed to be the end of the fighting). However at least four notable Confederate forces remained in the field after this date, with Generals Joseph Johnston, Richard Taylor, Kirby Smith and Stand Watie making separate surrenders over the course of three months after Lee's. Some small units remained active longer still, and of course the Shenandoah itself continued operating on a military footing; this same article says the ship "fired the last shot" of the war. So describing the events of early April as the "termination" of the war is hardly appropriate. Spark240 (talk) 10:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Spark240 - perhaps you would like to improve on the article I started on the Conclusion of the American Civil War. --Doug Coldwell talk 23:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Termination" of the war 

message: Hey gang, I added the Repercussions section to the page to bring it more inline with the CSS Alabama page. I basically copied and pasted it from there and added in the unique data as found in "Last Flag Down." Also the Australia and the American Civil War mentions the suit against Britain by the United States was about her entire wartime activity so I threw that in there too. Vdrj2 (talk) 15:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repercussions 

message: I don't know if this is a result of article merger or not, but this article is wildly disorganized, jumping back and forth as to time, subject, and story (development) line.  While the references seem to be up to snuff, the text is very hard to follow for more than a paragraph or two, and redundancies abound.  What gives?--Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 20:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization 

message: A hidden list of the Shenandoah's officers has been added to CSS_Shenandoah#Surrender_of_CSS_Shenandoah in the same spirit as the long standing but more intrusive crew list for the CSS_Alabama: CSS_Alabama#CSS_Alabama.27s_officers_and_crew. In time this may be developed as a freestanding section of prose, if more is learned about more of the officers.-Marcus334 (talk) 20:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Officers list  

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message: :This article is rated as B-class. While there are no page tags the article has around 10 inline "citation needed" tags. There is a "discuss" tag in the Surrender of CSS Shenandoah section following "The crew predicted that surrendering to federal authorities would run the risk of being tried in a U.S. court and hanged as pirates.", The tag points to this talk page with no apparent discussion.  
:Number one of the class assessment criteria states: , and number two states . At least some of the tags are dated 2015 so some of the content has been deemed important or controversial for a good while. Tagging of material does imply that the content needs sourcing in general for verification and specifically to remove implications of WP:OR. The content sentence noted above begins with "The crew predicted...". This very likely would have been a concern but such wording (state of mind or historical crew discussion) would mean there are a host of reasons why this needs sourcing. These tags need addressing as according to the criteria this article may have been prematurely promoted. Certainly these issues will hinder any possible reassessment to a higher class. Otr500 (talk) 12:27, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: So reassess it. If it's not b class anymore, downgrade it. Llammakey (talk) 12:21, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article assessment 

message: On the website "Confederate Flags at Sea" I have seen a variant of the "Stainless Banne" which larger than normal stars described as a "Storm Ensign" of the Shenandoah, I made a recreation of the flag. I don't know whether to include it or not. 
Here is a link to the flag  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wardie1993 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Storm Ensign" of the Shenandoah 

message: This article is on a primarily US-related topic, so I would expect it to use mdy dates. But it actually has . Why? Hairy Dude (talk) 18:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date format 

message: "The new Confederate cruiser was commissioned on 19 October 1864, lowering the Union Jack and raising the "Stainless Banner", and was renamed CSS Shenandoah."
As commercial maritime ships of the UK do not (and did not) fly the Union Flag - they fly the Red Ensign (which incorporates the Union Flag).  This seems to call into question the statement bas written. Pittspilot (talk) 16:18, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Union Jack