Talk:Islam Karimov

message: The given article does not discuss support having "further sparked anti-American sentiments among the world's Muslims".  Uzbekistani forces violently clashed with protestors earlier this year, the US strongly condemned the government's actions, and Karimov decided to kick the US troops out.  The Guardian article even discusses US support for human rights groups in the country working toward reform.  [Ex.:]   
The edit war is silly because it is simply a matter of a user who has been harassing me.  But inserting the exact same material with no critical look at it or the involved sources is not much better.  --TJive 22:38, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please edit the sentences to reflect what is actually in the articles, or in more current pieces - I only object to censoring all info about the US relationship with karimov which is what seemed like was going on.--csloat 22:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad sources, outdated claims

message: "Until 2005, the worst excesses of Karimov’s regime had taken place in the torture rooms of his prisons. But on May 13, he ordered a mass killing that could not be concealed. In the city of Andijan, 23 businessmen, held in prison and awaiting a verdict, were freed by their supporters, who then held an open meeting in the town square. An estimated 10,000 people gathered, expecting government officials to come and listen to their grievances. Instead, Karimov sent the army, which massacred hundreds of men, women and children. A 2003 law made Karimov and all members of his family immune from prosecution forever." (http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2006/edition_01-22-2006/Dictators) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.196.60.42  (talk • contribs) 18:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: FYI

message: What religion is Karimov? Josh 06:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Karimov is a person, not a religion. He has said he does not believe in God, but recently he has been using Islamic imagery in his speeches. KazakhPol 18:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess Karimov is really a religion... :-) СЛУЖБА (talk) 21:50, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: His religion?

message: Wow, no one even mentioned that this president has been rated as one of the top worst dictators ever, by many many people. Or does someone keep removing above mentioned statement. Parade Magazine, United Nations, Human Rights Watch, and many others have noted him as the worst dictators... if you google this you'll find about 500000 results for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.86.28.125  (talk • contribs) 22:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wow

message: He is a dictator but people FAIL to prove it! We need to fight back - education in Uzbekistan is so weak that students don't even know what their government is about. The level of corruption is unbelievable. People are starving. We really need some further research - it may not be written on BBC's website but he is a dictator and the world lacks in educated people from Uzbekistan. 
Recently, a journalist who was writing about this was murdered.
Karimov suppressed revolution in Andijan by the people who were FED UP, Andijan Massacre explains it but not fully. He has killed people and is president for life. His daughter is also very notorious,
I ask those who write for/edit wikipedia to help us say more about it for we're trying to fight for justice. Trust us for we know more. I myself grew up there and I know what I'm saying. 
I also support "Islom" more than "Islam". "Islam" - even though it's a word in English, came from Russian, which is NOT VALID in this case. It is about Uzbekistan and Uzbek language written in ENGLISH on wikipedia. 
I'm affraid to write about this and I ask you to hide my IP address. 
Thank you
PS: It is indeed true that the government "filters" internet - so please help us spread the word and the truth - we're tired of censorship.
If you want to hide your IP address, then you need to get an account on Wikipedia. Then, every time you make a contribution, your user name will be shown and not your IP address. --Zashitnik (talk) 16:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Dictator

message: Uhm.... that last section involving Jacques Chirac and their apparently friendly ties.... I think it needs a source. The wording sounds a bit opinionated, also.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyrannischgott (talk • contribs) 04:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jacques Chirac

message: Hey, can't anyone translate it to Uzbek? I mean, I just looked at that page, and it is really just a stub. C'mon we can educate the people of Uzbekistan about this... this... this horrible abomination of human rights... Sure they will try to change it back, but you can't beat proof. I can only do Russian, even though my mother is from Uzbekistan I never learnt it unfortunately... 
122.104.147.240 (talk) 07:41, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Uzbek page

message: The use of "Islam" is just far more common in English.  On English web pages, excluding Wikipedia, "Islam" is ten times more common than "Islom".  Most of the top hits for "Islom" are for obscure and unreliable sites.  He is called "Islam Karimov" by well known sources like the BBC. He is also apparently called "Islam" by, er, the Uzbek embassy in Washington (hits for "Islom Karimov from that site).  It should be at Islam. john k (talk) 04:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I used to work at the company which designs governmental web-sites, and I know how they write English contents - they simply translate into Russian, and then into English, so that's why we have transliterations of Russian forms of Uzbek names on official sources. Our President's name in Uzbek is Islom Abdug‘aniyevich Karimov and I'm moving the page back. Abdullais4u (talk) 17:12, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how what his name is in Uzbek is relevant.  The question is what is his name in English.  If the Uzbek government is content to have its English language contents call him "Islam Karimov," for whatever reason, I don't see how we should be more rigorous.  We shouldn't be more Uzbek than the Uzbek government.  Notice, for comparison's sake, Alexander Lukashenko.  Notice how the article is not at Alyaksandr Lukashenka.  Basically - it does not matter at all what name is used in Uzbek (which is, of course, a name in the Cyrillic alphabet).  What matters is what name is used in English.  Once again, not only does the vast majority of western media call him "Islam Karimov," but the Uzbek government's own English language websites do.  That they may do this out of negligence rather than a strong intention is totally irrelevant - it merely shows that they don't care about the issue, and are happy to see his name written as "Islam."  Our naming guidelines as currently written clearly indicate that this article should be at Islam Karimov, and you'd need to present evidence about usage in English to make a case for Islom Karimov. john k (talk) 21:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The main difference between the cases of Lukashenka and Karimov is that Russian is the official language of Belarus (co-official with Belarusian language) and that Lukashenka himself expressed several times that he is Russian himself. In Uebekistan, Uzbek language is the only official language and Islom Karimov asserts his Uzbek identity. Švitrigaila (talk) 10:50, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the analogy is not perfect.  Nonetheless, Karimov allows official government sites to use "Islam Karimov" in English.  Until the Uzbek government stops putting out material that uses "Islam," I don't see how we can assert that the proper official spelling in English is "Islom." john k (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He can allow what he wants, but I’ve never heard he forbade the spelling Islom. Some of the very sources you talk about can be read in German too. On those German pages, his name is spelled Islam Karimow with a w. Of course, there is no good reason for that, except if such forms are transcriptions from another alphabet (like Boris Jelzin, which is the German transcription of Борис Ельцин — in English Boris Yeltsin). But then, there is no good reason to transcribe an Uzbek o (pronounced o) to an English a. Therefore such transcriptions are transcriptions from Russian languange, not from Uzbek language. The conclusion is that the websites you talk about are originally written in Russian language and translated from Russian language. Islam Karimov is his Russian name, not his "English name". He has no English name since he’s not English. And we have no good reason to use his Russian name rather than his Uzbek name if we know both. Švitrigaila (talk) 17:53, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

text: So, on the same grounds, I guess you’d request that the article about Kristján Eldjárn has to be renamed to Christian Eldjárn since the "correct English spelling" for a follower of the Christ is Christian, not Kristján. And you should add: "You doesn’t say Ísland, right?" ... Of course not! A name is a name, and we must respect it and its spelling regardless of its etymology. Kristján Eldjárn is called Kristján Eldjárn in Icelandic language and he has no name in English, because Iceland is not an English speaking area. So we use his Icelandic name. The same apply for Islom Karimov. He has no English name and we must chose between his Uzbek name Islom or his Russian name Islam. And since Russian is no longer an official language in Uzbekistan... Švitrigaila (talk) 17:22, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

text: And yet, Mikhail Gorbachev and Michael of Russia.  The guidelines are very clear and unambiguous on this - articles are titled by the most commonly used name in English, without regard to consistency between articles.  john k (talk) 22:55, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a different case. It involves a monarch. Names of monarchs are usually anglicised in English. СЛУЖБА (talk) 22:00, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: And what about Islom Inomov? Must he be renamed Islam Inamov too? I suppose he musn’t. But if he’s not, there will be an inconcistency. Such inconstencies are normal when you read several sources. They are abnormal if they’re found in one book. If we want Wikipedia to be an encyclopedia (that is a "comprehensive survey of facts, ordered and classified"), a principle of consistency must be scrupulouslely observed. If not, then Wikipedia will be only a "comprehensive survey of facts", but not an encyclopedia. Švitrigaila (talk) 17:41, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And yet, Mikhail Gorbachev and Michael of Russia.  The guidelines are very clear and unambiguous on this - articles are titled by the most commonly used name in English, without regard to consistency between articles.  john k (talk) 22:55, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a different case. It involves a monarch. Names of monarchs are usually anglicised in English. СЛУЖБА (talk) 22:00, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Islom 

message: Is there any information about his religion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Travelbybus (talk • contribs) 
:I have removed  from the article since at this stage the article says nothing about his personal religious beliefs. Just because he was a communist does not automatically make him an atheist. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:24, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: Someone should note his two daughters and his son (Zafar Karimov) somewhere in the page  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.122.143 (talk) 23:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is Zafar Karimov? СЛУЖБА (talk) 22:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Son/daughters 

message: The lead says he's been President since 1991, but the infobox says 1990. What's up?WIERDGREENMAN, Thane of Cawdor THE CAKE IS A LIE (talk) 19:55, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time in office 

message: How can the "state's primary legitimacy" claim be "anti-Islamism" when the Soviet Communist dictator's name is Islam?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by WisconsinDude (talk • contribs) 03:48, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Islam Anti-Islam? 

message: There are unconfirmed reports that he has died. See 
* https://twitter.com/ARothWP/status/770345052631629824 
* 
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Official sources are reporting that he's still alive.
-- Markshale (talk) 21:28, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead?

message: Just proposing that this image might be better for the infobox.  The photo quality is much better, and it's a very focused shot.  No issues with its license, and it was used in the infobox before. 80.68.32.198 (talk) 09:50, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: The infobox picture has since been changed yet again, and the newer photo is defo an improvement imo, but I would still submit this one is more appropriate. 80.68.32.198 (talk) 12:31, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: Someone update about his death. I don't have the proper permissions to do so. Source link: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/uzbekistan-president-islam-karimov-dead-illness-a7221366.html. Typing this on the fly so ignore any unprofessionalism.
NiklawskiMSTM traveled from the fourth dimension to deliver this text to you. Please thank him on his talk page. Or don't thank him. I'm Binary code, not a cop. 08:39, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Some sources saying that he's not dead now... Beejsterb (talk) 02:29, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

text: Could someone please put , or something similar after his date of death. 20:31, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Death

message: The list of the political figures who attended his funeral is not completed! There were delegations from the 17 countries, not only from Russia, Kazakhstan etc. For example, there was delegation from the United Arab Emirates and Japan, but this is not listed on the page. Azerbaijan was represented by the Head of the Parliament, that must be listed also.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.156.167.5 (talk) 10:15, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funeral 

message: Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Yıldırım Tuğrul Türkeş. The link under "Turkish" is Turk, which is a DAB page and therefore flagged as an error by DPLBot. The first four words should be piped to Deputy Prime Minister of Turkey. Could someone with editing rights fix this, please? Narky Blert (talk) 18:39, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: --Ymblanter (talk) 18:44, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to a DAB page

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message: In no way does the lead summarise Islom Karimov nor his political career. It is little more than a block of slander. Criticism and questionable UK and US media reports cover more than 50% of the lead. This needs to be fixed. SpikeballUnion (talk) 17:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the lede must we re-written. Currently one third of it is about the 2000 elections, and another 1/3 is that he died after being in an intensive care. This is not what the ledes of the articles about heads of states should describe.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:11, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead NPOV 

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message: Karimov was a great leader and statesman in the truest sense of the word. This article is NGO propaganda garbage.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1006:B048:C4FB:BF21:7D61:39AE:A48C (talk) 03:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Biased trash article