Talk:Ashdod

message: Maccabe :  One E or two EE?
:I put a Maccabee in parens. :(
Maccabi
Maccabi is better. It is not one E anyway. Shmuliko 03:57, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The official name is Maccabi. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 09:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  older entries 

message: This article seems to be getting fairly well organized, but still does not meet the good article criteria. The images at the top of the article seem out of place, and should be integrated into sections within the article better (history, economy, perhaps). The history section seem very good, but is largely unreferenced. I would move 'modern times' into the history section as a subsection.
Economy & Transportation should be expanded, and referenced. Transportation should include descriptions of all transportation options in the city; roads, street layout, mass transit, buses, air travel, major highways, etc. the Israel Railways template also seems rather awkwardly placed here. I'm not sure what purpose it's serving.
A demographics section on the population is completely missing from the article. The small bits of info under 'income' would fall under this section, and you should include some general population statistics, perhaps census data, etc.
Create a 'government section, and provide details about the mayor & city council there. Move the list of mayors to a separate article, linked to as a 'see also' link from this section.
'Culture & sports' is largely just a list, and should be expanded. Sports might be a subsection within a 'culture' section, but 'culture' also encompasses cultural attractions, media, popular culture, annual events and fairs, and more.
You're going to have to explain what 'Chassidic Rebbes' is. I have no idea?
'Sister cities' should be referenced. There is a Sister Cities International website, but Ashdod has no sister cities listed on that site.
Overall, good start! For help with inline citations & references, please refer to WP:CITE. The good article criteria can be found at WP:WIAGA. You might also try looking at WP:CITIES for suggestions on the structure of city articles, and maybe look at some of the FA & GA articles there for suggestions. Good luck! Dr. Cash 20:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review 03/28/07

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All current photos have fair use rationales.
This article has shown tremendous improvement. Good job.
*One outstanding question thought.  It is clear to me, from reading the article, that Ashdod is an ancient city, and that its population at the start of the last century was about five thousand.  Yet, in the 1950s, surveyors arrived to build the new city of Ashdod. It's not clear from the article where the new Ashdod was built.  Next to the old one?  What happened to the old city?  Please clarify this in the article.--Mcattell 16:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article ok 07/22/07

message: This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed. 
The lead does not appear to adequately summarize the article, some subsections are too short to warrant there own section (eg. Museums and exhibitions, Sea Transport) and the article is under-referenced. These statements need inline citations:
*"The city absorbed another blow in 605 BCE, when Nebuchadnezzar conquered it. In 539 BCE the city was rebuilt by the Persians, but was conquered in the wars of Alexander of Macedon."
**Done Shmuliko 19:11, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: Why don't any income statistics for Ashdod appear in the article? Here's a basic breakdown. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 12:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CBS statistics 

message: How about adding sentence that it was subjected to rocket attacks? --Sceptic Ashdod (talk) 11:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be a tourist's attraction, you know...--Sceptic Ashdod (talk) 06:49, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaza War 

message: Morris, in The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited lists the causes for the depopulation of Isdud as Military assault on settlement and Expulsion by Jewish forces. Could the editor who believes that it is "POV" to include this please explain why and provide sources disputing it? nableezy - 19:27, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depopulation 

message: :The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it.  Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
::As an uninvolved editor, I have reviewed the discussion and the 's closing statement. Given that there has been no further opposition to a merge after several weeks,  is within his rights to merge/redirect Isdud to Ashod pursuant to llywrch's closing statement. Cunard (talk) 07:59, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I oppose the merge per WP:SUMMARY. That article should be summarized here, but that article should remain to allow for greater detail and more material than would be necessary here. nableezy - 16:02, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Isdud is just 7kb in size, while Ashdod barely reaching 50kb. I would agree with you if the period described (Mandatory Palestine) would have been much more comprehensive.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, but that is as it stands today. Additionally, the village Isdud was not located in the same location as Ashdod. The Arab village ceased to exist following its depopulation, it did not become Ashdod. nableezy - 18:48, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You are entering a very problematic field, where you are trying to separate various ages into different articles. Note that the Arabic "Isdud" was built not at the site of "Tel Ashdod" and quiet far from "Ashdod Yam" (Ashdod-Sea - ruins from Assyrian period). I believe none of those had a fluent transition into each other and all are located within the municipal territory of the modern Ashdod. The only thing which we might consider is making a separate article on existing notable national park or archaeological site (like in the case of Ashdod-Sea), but in the case of Arabic Isdud, there is nothing left of it, thus it better be covered here in the historic section.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:29, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, Isdud was directly adjacent to Tel Ashdod overlapping the archaeological digs.  I just spent an hour tracking down exact maps. Zerotalk 16:35, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So there was Tel Ashdod; Ashdod-Sea (several km to the north); Isdud (back south); modern Ashdod (again to the north) - a ping-pong.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:54, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Another idea however: i did participate in editing 1660 destruction of Tiberias and 1660 destruction of Safed, we might use the same, making an article for "1948 destruction of Isdud" as a notable historic event, but certainly not the town "Isdud" itself. What do you think?Greyshark09 (talk) 16:54, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
*Oppose - The only thing you forgot that there are two different locations. In fact Isdud is not under Ashdod jurisdiction and belong to Be'er Tuvia regional council. Shmuliko (talk) 11:13, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: I tried to link the word "dunams" to the wiki article on it, but I lost the following measurement in km2.  I duess the code is too much for me.  Can someone do it? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 01:42, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  dunams 

message: Due to the large Haredi population in Ashdod, many mehadrin lines connect the Haredi neighborhoods of Ashdod with other Haredi population centers, such as Bnei Brak, Jerusalem, Bet Shemesh, Modi'in Illit, Kiryat Gat, El'ad, Tzfat and other towns. The mehadrin lines are operated by Egged, Connex, Egged Ta'avura and Superbus, and do not use the central bus station.
Haven't mehadrin lines been illegal in Israel since 2011, and don't female passengers now have the right to sit wherever they wish?  Is the information given outdated?  Skinsmoke (talk) 21:00, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That was added 2008 and I just removed it.  Officially segregated busses are indeed illegal, though unofficial passenger-enforced segregation remains common. Zerotalk 23:33, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buses 

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message: Ashdod (Isdud in Arabic) had a mixed population upon the onset of the 1947 civil war - according to the article in 1945, it had a population of 4,620 Arabs and 290 Jews. It was thus a mixed city of Arabs and Jews (for instance modern mixed cities in Israeli are tagged as :category:mixed Israeli communities, so at the British period it should have been :Category:mixed communities in Mandatory Palestine), but the article emphasizes in categories and the "depopulated villages" template only the fact that the Arabs were driven out in late 1948, though prior to that in mid-1948 the Egyptian Army drove out the Jews. So, it is rather dubious to say that this was an "Arab village" depopulated by Israeli Army, while in fact it was a mixed village, first depopulated of Jews by the Egyptian Army with collaboration of local Arabs. I suggest to either rename/change the category name or remove this category from Ashdod article. Thoughts?GreyShark (dibra) 17:13, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
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message: Petersen, 2005, p.  133 is given as ref. in the article....but I cannot fine anything relevant for this article on that page. Thoughts? Huldra (talk) 22:22, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petersen, 2005 

message: My copy of the Jewish Study Bible includes a bunch of maps that show an "Ashdod" in roughly the same place as this, but several miles inland, and the maps illustrate the region from (at least; I didn't check all of them) the time of Joshua to the time of Elisha. Thing is, I can't find anything in this article that explicitly contradicts the idea that, for example the city grew and reached the sea at some later point in its history, as our description of its early history doesn't specifically describe it as a port but would very strongly imply that to someone who wasn't looking out for it like I was. Are my maps (which are all obviously "approximations") just wrong on this specific detail? Or is our article just missing said detail? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:21, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Shit. I just double-checked, and the "Elisha" map doesn't include Ashdod (it includes a lot of other details that I described yesterday, and I misremembered), which would roughly fit with our description of the city having been destroyed and then rebuilt near the end of the ninth century. Was it rebuilt a few miles west so as to function as a port? I could check if the JSB includes it in a different location in later maps, but it would obviously be the worst kind of OR to extrapolate from that that the city was rebuilt as a port when it had previously been a little bit inland. Gonna look into this a bit more. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:31, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was it always a port? 

message: The years the article lists for this are arbitrary, so I want to change them, but would like to get some input on the best years to include. It makes the most sense to include past censuses, i.e. 1948, 1961, 1972, 1983, 1995 and 2008, but what about later years? Do we include just the latest (2017), or go for recentism and include every year since 2008 for example? Or 2010 and further, or something else? —Ynhockey (Talk) 08:37, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population history 

message: The one of the sources is outdated, and I can't edit it because the article itself is related to ARBPIA and I still don't have 500 edits.
http://www.moia.gov.il needs to be replaced with http://archive.moia.gov.il Alex.osheter (talk) 14:31, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Enigmamsg 20:16, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

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message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Isdud's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Hadawi71":
From Tulayl: Government of Palestine, Department of Statistics. Village Statistics, April, 1945. Quoted in Hadawi, 1970, p. 71
From Qaddita: Government of Palestine, Department of Statistics. Village Statistics, April, 1945. Quoted in Hadawi, 1970, p. 71
From Al-Mansura, Safad: Government of Palestine, Department of Statistics. Village Statistics, April, 1945. Quoted in Hadawi, 1970, p. 70 
From Al-Qudayriyya: Government of Palestine, Department of Statistics. Village Statistics, April, 1945. Quoted in Hadawi, 1970, p.  71 
From Taytaba: Government of Palestine, Department of Statistics. Village Statistics, April, 1945. Quoted in  Hadawi, 1970,   p.71
From Al-Zuq al-Fawqani: Government of Palestine, Department of Statistics. Village Statistics, April, 1945. Quoted in Hadawi,  1970, p. 71 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Isdud]] 

message: A merger from 2011 was recently undone and a discussion is occurring at Talk:Isdud#History. Srnec (talk) 16:53, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent removal of history 

message: Well, it sure is a typo :)
״In 2013, Ashdod had 500 schools employing 3,500 teachers. The student population was 55,000. The city's education budget was NIS 418 million shekels.״ מקף־עברי (talk) 22:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hilarious count of schools in Ashdod