Talk:Organophosphate poisoning

message: The opening paragraph tells of organophosphates causing the "suicide impulse" in farmers. The article never elaborates on this further. Indeed, it seems to convey that farmers have used these chemicals as a way of committing suicide, not that they put in some impulse into the minds of these men to kill themselves, (seemingly implied by the opening). Apologies if I'm way off the track, but I think it might need a bit of clarification here.--120.16.88.190 (talk) 16:12, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I altered the sentence to remove this issue and inserted references that people in agrarian areas do commit suicide using OPs.  I haven't found a reference for the assertion that it is "one of the most common causes of poisoning worldwide". Skingski (talk) 21:57, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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message: The first line is concise and gets to the point quickly, which is a good thing. I think it would benefit the article if there was an explanation of why ACh accumulation is bad so the reader understands why organophosphates are harmful. Also, you jump right into talking about AChE inhibition. Someone might not understand enzyme mechanisms and why AChE inhibition is harmful which could make the initial science talk overwhelming so I would put everything more in layman’s terms for ease of understanding. 
Under the “examples” section, maybe you could mention routes of exposure. I understand that these examples contain organophosphates but telling the reader how it gets to them is powerful. For example, if you say “organophosphates from insectides run off into our waters from farmlands and are recycled into the water treatment plants.” Obviously what you say will be more sophisticated and accurate but a description of how it gets into people will make the article more relevant for readers because they realize their vulnerability. 
PON1 influence: if possible, include information about adult PON1 concentration and the toxic concentration of organophosphates so readers can have numbers to make sense of the information and understand why the topic is relevant. 
Ginger Jake: I know you already mentioned how ACh intoxication occurs but I think it would be helpful to mention again how it happens and why organophosphates can be debilitating. Even if the description were brief, “ACh accumulation happens after AChE is inhibited, etc.” just as a reminder to the reader about how the mechanism works. 
Governmental review: what are the effects of chronic organophosphate exposure in adults? Are there any mild symptoms that may cause the government to reconsider its allowance of organophosphates?  
Nicole  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockaxis3 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classmates' Comments 

message: *Epidemiological study of the relationships between exposure to organophosphate pesticides and indices of chronic peripheral neuropathy, and neuropsychological abnormalities in sheep farmers and dippers.Phase 1. Development and validation of an organophosphate uptake model for sheep dippers by C Sewell and others. Institute of Occupational Medicine Research Report TM/99/02a
*Epidemiological study of the relationships between exposure to organophosphate pesticides and indices of chronic peripheral neuropathy, and neuropsychological abnormalities in sheep farmers and dippers. Phase 2. Cross-sectional exposure response study of sheep-dippers by A Pilkington and others. Institute of Occupational Medicine Research Report TM/99/02b
*Epidemiological study of the relationships between exposure to organophosphate pesticides and indices of chronic peripheral neuropathy, and neuropsychological abnormalities in sheep farmers and dippers. Phase 3. Clinical neurological, neurophysiological and neurophysiological study by A Pilkington and others. Institute of Occupational Medicine Research Report TM/99/02c
:Not sure why this was in the article? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 05:43, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Organophosphate Pesticides Reports

message: You mentioned that many farmers have used organophosphates to commit intentional suicide, but did not say why. I've read in multiple articles and documentaries that they do it because of the regulations of large food corporations such as Monsanto. With building pest resistance to pesticides, they have to keep using more and more and the small landowners cannot keep up with larger landowners in terms of profit.
Here are a couple links to articles that mention these types of unfortunate situations:
http://www.seattleorganicrestaurants.com/vegan-whole-foods/indian-farmers-committing-suicide-monsanto-gm-crops/
http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/ehs/news/2014/oct/pesticides-depression 
Maybe you could pull information from sources 3, 4, and 5 of the pesticide poisoning wikipedia page as well? Or link certain keywords to that page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jak0313 (talk • contribs)  17:36, 31 January 2015‎ (UTC)
:see Farmers' suicides in India - has more to do with the "liberalization" of the Indian economy, leaving farmers without good advice and without reasonable access to banks. Jytdog (talk) 21:00, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion on suicide topic 

message: I want to first start by saying that I think this is a very informative article! It helps people to understand the dangers of OP poisoning and how it is present in their daily lives!. 
I have a few suggestions: 
- In your section titled "Neurotoxic Effects", in the fourth paragraph, third sentence, you have written "Symptoms continue to worse..." when I think you meant to say "Symptoms continue to worsen"
- I think you could maybe expand upon your section on OP poisoning on developing animals. You could include information about how all of this could affect pregnant women and the developing fetus. I saw that you had this written above in the reproductive section, so if there is nothing additional to write in the "Developing Animal" section, maybe you could merge it with the "Reproductive Effects" section. 
- I think you diagnosis section could be expanded upon. You mention that current testing only tests for two of the most common OPs. I think you could further expand on the implications of this and how diagnosis needs to change and how it can be bettered in the future. 
Sej942 (talk) 02:00, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Suggestions

message: I also think this is a very informative article. The only suggestion I have is that you can now expand on the effects of OP exposure on infants and children.
User:bellre 2 February 2015   — Preceding undated comment added 16:25, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: More Suggestions

message: Are the commentors here related to one another?  is this a class activity or something? thanks Jytdog (talk) 20:31, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this article appears to be targeted for improvement as a homework project for an undergraduate class at some college. The critical component will be the degree to which the instructor is knowledgeable of the topic and Wikipedia style.--Smokefoot (talk) 01:21, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
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message: Hi,
It is very strange that this article seems to include almost nothing about the issue of chronic organophosphate exposure from the standpoint of public health (such as cases one has heard of in the past of sheep farmers exposed to sheep dip in their jobs over the years). It is like an article about car exhaust pollution that focused on people intentionally killing themselves with car exhaust, and nearly ignoring  -- perhaps obscuring -- issues of much wider concern about global pollution, regulations, treaties, methods of limiting the problem.
Am I just paranoid, or is this reminding me of articles about tobacco one has seen which don't mention that it may be linked to lung cancer or heart disease, and focus on how nicotine may be a cure for alzheimer's disease etc.  Not saying this for a fact but please some editor who knows something about this subject have a look, OK? Thx Createangelos (talk) 00:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Refs for "chronic poisoning"? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:31, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separation of acute versus chronic poisoning ... fails NPOV? 

message: Have moved here. I am having trouble figuring out what these refs are?
:Chronic exposure—multiple exposures over time, from a few weeks to many yearsNesheim, NO.; Fishel, FM.; Mossler, M. Toxicity of Pesticides. Agronomy Department UF/IFAS Extension; 2014; PI-13. http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu—may manifest itself in very different ways from acute exposure. The toxicity (“ability of a substance to produce adverse effects”Nesheim, NO.; Fishel, FM.; Mossler, M. Toxicity of Pesticides. Agronomy Department UF/IFAS Extension; 2014; PI-13. http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu), is more complex and subtle.Nesheim, NO.; Fishel, FM.; Mossler, M. Toxicity of Pesticides. Agronomy Department UF/IFAS Extension; 2014; PI-13. http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu Acute--one immediate exposureNesheim, NO.; Fishel, FM.; Mossler, M. Toxicity of Pesticides. Agronomy Department UF/IFAS Extension; 2014; PI-13. http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu--poisoning
Are you referring to this ref?? And if so were does it discuss the chronic toxicity of organophosphates? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:18, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Approximately 99% of those deaths occur in the developing world. Human Rights Council. Report of the Special Rapporteur on the right to food. 2017; General Assembly, 34th session, Agenda item 3. https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/G17/017/85/PDF/G1701785.pdf?OpenElement
This ref does not refer to OGs but to pesticide generally? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is not about pesticide poisoning generally. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:25, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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message: I added my reasoning in the edit comment, but I am making a note here as well, that there were formerly concerns about the section being too oriented toward the USA. Since then, several other countries have been added. More subsections are welcome if anyone feels that other regions are still underrepresented. Just-a-can-of-beans (talk) 01:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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