Talk:Middle Scots

message: While the original introduction made sense,  edit, already at the beginning of the article history, turned the beginning sentences into an illogical mess:
:Middle Scots was the Anglic language of Lowland Scotland in the period from 1450 to 1700. By the end of the 13th century its phonology, orthography, accidence, syntax and vocabulary had diverged markedly from Early Scots, which was virtually indistinguishable from early Northumbrian Middle English. Subsequently its orthography differed from that of the emerging Early Modern English standard.
"By the end of the 13th century" there was no "Middle Scots" yet. The language of the 14th century, according to this and other articles, is called Early Scots (and contemporary with Middle English, while Middle Scots was contemporary with Early Modern English). According to this phrasing, Early and Middle Scots existed side-by-side in the 14th century – I don't think that is the intended meaning. I'll try to repair that. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Scots vs. Middle Scots 

message: The previous, deleted, IP sock post was transparently an attempt to make show of discussing one change while slipping in another. What's more, the simplest of checks would show that the supposed contention discussed in that post, the questionability of the use of the term "Erse" in Scots, is baseless, see e.g. Chambers. Mutt Lunker (talk) 18:43, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Checking out our "Erse" 

message: Not sure where "This was followed in 1616 by an act establishing parish schools in the Highlands with the aim of extirpating the Gaelic language. " comes from.
The only two Acts I can find are as follows:
23 July 1644 Act declareing vacand stipendes should be imployed upon pious uses
trayning wp of youthes that have the Irishe tongue in schooles and colledges 
12th July 1695 Scottish parliament
...bishoprics of Argyll and the Isles, which now his majesty has been graciously pleased to bestow upon erecting of English schools for rooting out of the Irish language, and other pious uses ...
Perhaps 1695 was meant? If so it should read "This was followed in 1695 by an act establishing parish schools in the Highlands with the aim of 'rooting out' the Gaelic language and replacing it with English". Cassandra  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.111.202 (talk) 19:04, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: School Establishment Act 1616. Mutt Lunker (talk) 19:48, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

text: As you are aware "Inglis" and "Scottis" (or variants thereof) were then used synonymously for the tongue in question (from the same document "the vulgar toung in Inglis or Scottis"). By the same token, the celtic language being referred to in the Act is not referred to as Irish today but distinguished as Scottish Gaelic. Mutt Lunker (talk) 23:07, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Let's avoid the general forum discussion and stick to the point regarding this article, which is that the "vulgar Inglish toung" and "Irische language" being referred to in this document are, in modern parlance, Scots and Scottish Gaelic. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:43, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Act of 1616? 

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message: Was this language mutually intelligible with the spoken English languages of the time? 86.184.52.111 (talk) 11:04, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intelligibility with English 

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message: No citations in the first few paragraphs. Seems like it may have been copied from elsewhere or be original research? Seems to put a lot of emphasis on royal action, where other sources don't.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.103.17.38 (talk) 12:52, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section needs citations 

message: From the article: "þ was often indistinguishable from the letter y".
Indistinguishable by sound? Or only looked very similar on paper? TooManyFingers (talk) 14:16, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  þ indistinguishable from y?