Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts/Archive 2

message: Someone just speedy deleted the poster for UFC 61 at , because apparently it did not have a Fair Use rationale as per WP:CSD#I6. I went ahead and uploaded a new version of the poster for the page at :Image:Ufc61.jpg, and used a template for the rationale and that should keep it from getting speedied again. However, I don't believe any of the other UFC posters have rationales on them, so they're vulnerable to getting speedied. Which sucks. I'll start tagging some of these other posters with a rationale, but I'll need help. hateless 05:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we have a fair-use rationale for the use of posters. We aren't providing critical commentary on the posters, so the posters don't add anything to the article. Sancho 05:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is the case, then all movie posters should be removed from WP, which I don't think has consensus at all. Judging from WP:NFC#Images and its entry on cover art, it appears to me that if an article has critical commentary on an item, then the cover art for that item can be used for that article as illustration under Fair Use. The equivalent of an event's cover should be its poster, and WP:NFC seems to apply the same rule to posters as cover art (although it doesn't make it explicitly clear).  What this means to me is that we can't use the poster for UFC 71 to identify Chuck Liddell or Rampage, but we can use it for the article on UFC 71. The fair use template was recently edited to match WP:NFC, so I'm treating WP:NFC as the final word on the issue, and the template's language could use some refinement I think. Nevertheless, the debate can continue later, I think the important part is we tag rationales on poster images asap, then wrangle about details if someone brings the image up to xFD. hateless 06:56, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, I think the rationale for using posters is quite shaky. It barely passes WP:NFCC #1, and doesn't meet #8 in my opinion. The posters are being used for decorative value and there is no commentary on them. east.718 16:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poster images in danger of speedy deletions 

message: Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mixed_martial_arts#amateur_vs_professional_records for context. This discussion is to come up with some form of direction that we can add to the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mixed_martial_arts#Record section on this WikiProject's main page. Maybe this has already been hashed out... if it has, this should be a simple confirmation that everyone agrees; if it hasn't, then this will be a useful discussion. Sancho 00:55, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should pro-actively exclude amateur fights and exhibition matches.  Otherwise, I think if a source can confirm specific fights and the accuracy is not directly debatable (i.e. Kimbo Slice is on Sherdog's fight finder but it was an exhibition; some fighters on Sherdog's fight finder include amateur fights if you cross reference FCFighter).  I know it's complicated to hammer numbers down, but as far as that goes if anyone has anything specific in question I can take a day or two and give you an actual, accurate number.
Furthermore, I think that we need to ignore obviously (highly) questionable sources for records, such as UFC.com (i.e. Diego Sanchez' UFC profile includes his TUF 1 wins which were exhibition bouts). I know it is tricky, but if we are diligent it shouldn't be too hard to take care of. Thesaddestday 03:23, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reopening discussion regarding fighters' records 

message: On AfD & will probably go if not expanded. --Nate1481( t/c) 11:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Andrew Chappelle]] 

message: If you know the date of someone's marriage or the birth of their children, should this be included in this section? I think it may just be informative.Any opinions?(MgTurtle 23:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a section in WP:BLP that says Editors should take particular care when considering whether inclusion of the names of private, living individuals who are not directly involved in an article's topic adds significant value. The presumption in favor of the privacy of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved persons without independent notability is correspondingly stronger. My opinion is that we shouldn't go into much detail about their families unless it is very important to the article or if the particular details are notable in their own right.Sancho 23:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I'm not saying don't add it. It's just that we should think about the above part of the BLP policy. As long as we keep that in mind, I don't think we'll go too far. I don't think adding birth dates or marriage dates where there is a source is too far. Sancho 04:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life section 

message: * See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mixed_martial_arts/Article_improvement_drive#Chuck_Liddell. Sancho 21:38, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chuck Liddell improvement nomination 

message: Okay, I've noticed some people deleting info from IFL fighters pages because it's unsourced.Well, it is sourced, sort of. Most of the information on these pages come from their IFL profile and it doesn't have a citation.Almost everything, except the personal life section maybe can be found on their IFL profiles.Just thought I would let people know.(MgTurtle 18:11, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IFL fighter bios 

message: A recently completed article for Chuck Liddell's Pit Fight Team is being debated for deletion.  As this is relevent to this project I am providing the link for the page in question The Pit, and one for the Articles for deletion Page where your opinion on the topic can be voiced.  Unak78 17:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Pit Fight Team Article on debate for Deletion 

message: Hello MMA cousins from a Boxing project member. There is a discussion going on the Talk:Orthodox stance about hte potential merger of the Orthodox stance and Orthodox (boxing) articles. Please can I have your thoughts. regards--Vintagekits 21:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone?--Vintagekits 20:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Orthodox stance]]

message: Sorry...I didn't knwo there was a WP:MMA.--Sweetsweetdaddy 00:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry