Talk:Sayako Kuroda

message: Can somebody tell me what the hell this means??  This was put as the Japanese reading of her former title as an imperical princess.  This is not Japanese but sound like Chinese or some other asian language... Lynnette 01:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Goo Pei Ling@Goh Fong Ling

message: "Sayako has quit her job as an ornithologist in order to focus on her family life and potential motherhood, a decision commonly encouraged in Japanese society due to its falling birth rate."    Due to its falling birth rate??   Tradtional values maybe.  If this is an official statement from Kuroda or the Imperial family please say so.  Otherwise, get rid of "due to its falling birth rate".
: Well Japan's shrinking population is a fact, and the idea that Japanese women are encouraged to forgoe professional careers in favour of motherhood is not total conjecture either. This was the article that motivated me to add that, just to be clear: http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1115/p06s01-woap.html --Clngre 16:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Speaking as someone who's studied Japanese in Japan, that claim is not total nonsense, but it does not belong in this encyclopedic article.  In particular, it oversimplifies Japanese culture.  So, I have removed it.  --LostLeviathan 18:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, good point, I agree. --Clngre 18:13, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth rate nonsense 

message: What does it mean that she "left the Imperial Family"? -130.232.65.174 16:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because she married a commoner, she is no longer in the line of succession. --Golbez 17:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

text: It means that she must forfeit her royal title, forfeit her right to a royal allowance, and leave the royal palace.  At this time, women are not permitted to assume the royal throne in Japan and therefore she was never in the line of succession.
Is she still allowed contact with the Imperial Family, and perhaps attending the occasional Imperial event? --Madchester 18:11, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

text: As far as I know, she will not "openly" contact the Imperial Family but occasionally may attend events when invited. This contact issue is a result of the current constitution that basically forbids the Imperial Family from taking a political position. Suppose her husband (or herself) runs for a seat in congress (unlikely but possible) and reveals his political view a day (or week, month, year, decade, even century) after she met with the Imperial Family. It will be impossible to argue that there was no discussion of politics. Japanese will then be inclined to support his view out of respect for the Imperial Family (compare with how a Catholic in general would support Pope's view) and arguing against would be impossibly hard. Anyway, except for occasional events when a chance encounter is possible, she will not have contact that we will know of. -- Revth 03:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So she can't contact her family?  Or just not in publie? Shadows and Lace (talk) 00:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, current laws will keep anyone who does not retain the title to be outside succession. -- Revth 03:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "left the Imperial Family" 

message: Should we remove Sayako from the Princesses category?  As she is no longer a part of the imperial family (opinions not stated, just facts) and she is not longer a princess, she should be removed.  Would appreciate any input. Prsgoddess187 01:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, she was born a princess, and only recently married and had her royal status changed. I say we leave her in the Princesses category until the new year, when people are more accustomed to the fact she's a commoner, and then remove her from the list. Is it possible to put her married name, followed by her birth title in brackets, until then? -- 64.229.254.229 01:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princess category 

message: She is known in Japanese as Kuroda Sayako, so shouldn't we respect that custom and name her article as that?
:No, the practice is to name such Japanese articles as how English speakers would say the name. If you switch this article, you'd have to switch EVERY Japanese person who has an article here, and it's safe to say that would cause a little insurrection. Mike H. That's hot 10:55, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't this be located at "Kuroda Sayako?"