Talk:Ender's Shadow

message: If this article is redirected from Anton's Key, should it have some explanation of it? Kimun 00:58, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anton's Key? 

message: This book sounds awesome.  Ender's Game was a blast from the future.
Space kids would dig in for sure.
Its not as good as the first one.  It all ends up seeming like the formic
war was fake and just the pretense for global war and some continental 
unions or some such trash.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.139.175 (talk) 06:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow 

message: Actually, I liked Ender's Shadow better than Ender's Game. Though Ender's Game was the book that I liked least in Cards whole Ender series. One thing about Shadow though, it seems to assume you've already read Ender's Game, so when I read Game after reading Shadow, it cleared up a lot of things about the flash suits andother things concerning the war game.Wiz kid 23:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   Preference  

message: I added the wikify template to this article as I believe it needs to be expanded and formatted better to match the rest of the Ender book articles. Unfortunately, I don;t have the time to work on it right now so I tagged it in hopes that someone else will. --SSTwinrova 22:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikify Template 

message: I love both EG and this book, but I do find the revisionism in Ender's Shadow a little off-putting.  Because Card has to make this book fit in with the original, he often tries to manipulate the dialogue, or our perception of it, eg taking something that Bean said seriously in EG and now making out that it was actually sarcastic.  Some of the plot "glueing" is annoying, in EG we see that Ender considers Bean to be only good at using small forces like a scalpel, but in ES everyone knows that Bean is the best at everything (apart from personal relationships), so Card invents some other reason why Ender didn't use Bean much (ie because Rackham had deliberately sown the seeds of doubt in Ender's mind).  Anyway, I don't know how Card could have done much better given the task at hand.  A great book anyway.Leeborkman 07:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revisionist?  Uncomfortable joins between the two books. 

message: Is Bean really a particularly important supporting character in Ender's Game? This is particularly revealed in Ender's Shadow. I think it's valid to just call him 'largely peripheral' in Ender's Game. QueenStupid 04:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As someone who read EG many times before Ender's Shadow was ever written, I can't agree with you there, QueenS.  Bean is at least as important as Petra, Dink or Alai, even in EG.  Bean is the one soldier that Ender The Commander befriends, and also the one soldier that Ender mistreats, because even in EG Ender realises that Bean and he are so alike.  Ender places great trust in Bean, even in EG, making him a very special Toon Leader.  Of course, in ES, Card tries to persuade us that Bean was even more important that Ender ever guessed in EG, but even so, Bean is undoubtedly a major character.  In my opinion, Ender, Valentine and Graff are the main characters, because we see through their eyes, but among all the rest, Bean is emphasised as special, if only as an ironic narrative device to highlight the change in Ender from pint-sized launchie to uber-soldier.  What do you reckon? Leeborkman 05:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have read othe of the ender books and really, it depending on which one you read, and your perspective, it determines how to characterize the characters (pun not intended?). In Shadow, it is told from Beans POV (Point of View), so he should be the major character and Ender should be an important character (maybe even main) but not the most important. Just as Ender's Game is told from Ender's POV, thus making Bean a less important character, but still important.--Cadet_hastings 01:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bean

message: The article states the book takes place around the year 2170. Is this true? I've read every book in both series twice (the first ones thrice) and I don't remember any specific dates. I believe it even mentions that they're on a different calender system, though I could be forgetting something. Is it explicitly stated in the book that it's ~2170?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.23.51 (talk) 02:09, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Setting

message: Ender’s Shadow 2603:8001:A303:1400:A01C:107D:F95C:821A (talk) 22:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  So This Is The Reform One