Talk:Robert Fogel

message: There really ought to be mention of Fogel's other book, <I>Without Consent or Contract</I> which many economic historians view as his reconciliation with some of the criticisms of <I>Time on the Cross</I>. Saffo.princess (talk) 19:41, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Without Consent or Contract 

message: The neologism "The Fogel Paradigm" would seem to be the invention of  Carpenter in the cited article . Checking Google Books and Google Scholar, I see no indication that this term has been adopted by scholarly sources in the ensuing dozen years, and has no currency, or even that the article has been cited other than once in a scholarly publication.]. To the contrary, there is a much more widely recognized term associated with Fogel: "The Gutman-Fogel Paradigm" associated with his work on the sociology of American slave families.  The text is also not supported by the reference. While Carpenter's article relates in several footnotes that the author had private conversations with Fogel, Carpenter is nowhere identified as a teaching assistant to Fogel in the source.  The text states that Carpenter diagrammed Fogel's four awakenings, but the cited article states that the diagram was taken from Fogel's book and merely simplified in the cited article by Carpenter.  There is no credible indication that Carpenter's views on the subject are notable by Wikipedia standards.  Discussions at WP:COIN and WP:RSN indicate that this is a matter of an editor inserting material as a matter of self-promotion across numerous articles. Substantially the identical material has been deleted form other articles by other editors on this basis. Accordingly, I have removed it from this article as well. Fladrif (talk) 14:40, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fogel Paradigm 

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message: From www.nobelprize.org see also Comparing 2 datasets using federated SPARQL - Salgo60 (talk) 08:43, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthdate 1 July 1927 

message: My name is Steven D Fogel, and I want to set the record straight.  Not only was he a great scientist, but he was the least racist person I ever knew.  He only saw two things when he looked at another person, any person, it was always the same.  Here is another human being and what an amazing opportunity for them to teach me something.
It was the same with his work.  The is,no such thing as racist data.  Either data is correct or it’s wrong.  As a scientist it is his moral responsibility, that once the conclusion has been confirmed, to report it, and share it with all of his colleagues, exactly as it was gathered and processed.  My father dedicated himself to the slavery work because he wanted his two black sons, his black family, and black people in America. To know that even though forced to live in a completely morally repugnant  system, black people thrived.  It almost every measured way, blacks in slavery, exceeded their northern and European counterparts. 
Time on The Cross and Without Consent or Contact stand as a monument to the ingenuity, strong morality and the strength of the black family.  That even in the worst of times, the black family not only thrived, but it was able to flourish.  It’s not racism that slavery was productive or the blacks were flourishing.  It’s just the data.  We shouldn’t engage in a complete lack of morality no matter how positive we can spin it. That question goes to to who we are as culture.  The data is just a historical measurement of how society answered that question.
Nobelson1993 (talk) 03:39, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  RWF and the false attacks of racism against him