Talk:Florina

message: Until this anonymous edit, the article mentioned the possible Macedonian etymology of the modern Greek form. I will restore this, along with something more in line with the original edit upon which the current paragraph is based. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 16:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macedonian φλωρός 

message: You are right, WP:NCGN says that it's posible to leave only the most common name in english and move all alternative names to a separate section where a long explanation can be given (I should have given up already on July, mind you) --Enric Naval (talk) 21:38, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ok, I give up

message: Florina (, known also by several alternative names) is a town and municipality in mountainous northwestern Macedonia, Greece. Its motto is, 'Where Greece begins'.Florina official website. It is also the Metropolitan seat for the region. It lies in the central part of Florina regional unit, of which it is the capital. Florina belongs to the region of West Macedonia. The town's population is 16,771 people (2001 census). It is in a wooded valley about  south of the international border of Greece with the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
N.tsiakas (talk) 17:48, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 18:17, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2015 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: @ the material you added is based on highly controversial and completely unreliable sources. You are vandalising the article for obvious propaganda reasons.
* "promacedonia.org" should be considered a reliable source on your opinion for god's sake?! My antivirus also gave me a warning by the way on that site.
* Anastasia Karakasidou and her work is highly disputed in Greece and elsewhere and her "estimations" are not needed on wiki.
* For some other significant claims you added you haven't provided an inline.
Therefore, I'm removing your material as per WP:QUESTIONABLE and WP:REDFLAG.
This area in particular is very sensitive regarding the Macedonian dispute. Please respect that fact and not add any nationalistic and unreliable claims. On highly controversial topics like the Macedonian one be modest, or else you should maybe stay away from Wikipedia and keep your "sources". Esslet (talk) 20:08, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding unreliable sources 

message: Due to some previous discussions, on the Hellenisation of Florina (19th century-present), its Slavic population of both the town and surrounding area i came across the following wp:reliable] and wp:secondary academic content: , , , , , ,  (p.97). There is more but due to time constraints, this list is good so far. Whichever editor/s has the time to add this content to better this article, i wish them all the best.Resnjari (talk) 05:23, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Bit busy rn but I may find time to review these later if you don't. --Yalens (talk) 03:32, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: , other articles kind of have taken up time for me. I just placed source there for now and it gives other editors a chance to read and edit as kind of a lot. Still the ongoing Hellenisation of the Slavic element in Florina has barely been covered in the wiki article and needs to addressed as per the scholarship.Resnjari (talk) 08:10, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the Hellenisation of Florina (list of sources for use in the article) 

message: Not really sure what the dispute is here, but there seems to be a lot of reverting. Lately between  and ; it seems  and  seem also previously involved based on the talk page and the history, and so they should be notified too I guess.  you just made a huge deletion[] saying that IE linguist was an SPA and that he (she?) source falsified. I checked contribs and the account seems pretty new and people often only edit one article in their first few days, so I'm not sure "SPA" is the correct term here. Also not how I like to see newcomers treated, especially as I would love to have more linguists on here. But anyhow source falsification is a pretty serious claim (especially when used against newbies), and you didn't substantiate it. Would you care to substantiate what you are accusing  of falsifying? Bit busy right now but I think it is much better for all sides to discuss here rather than edit war, for the sake of general positive Wikipedia climate. --Yalens (talk) 03:32, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Also IE linguist, forgive me if I accidentally just notified you a bunch of times. Sometimes us older users never really learn how to do certain things well, oops :). --Yalens (talk) 03:39, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: @Yalens it's actually a typical case of disruption: someone creates a brand new account and directly jumps to an ongoing edit war and instantly reverts. Being more precise about "source falsification" the editor claimed that "the town became a centre of Slavic separatism." in WWI but unfortunately Baltsiotis doesn't confirm this. 
Off course we need to treat a new user carefully but not of this kind (performing massive reverts from account creation? I assume are you kidding). Since we are talking about inappropriate behavior towards new editors we have a typical case of Wikipedia:BITE here [] by posting ARBMAC warnings as a very first warning to a new account.Alexikoua (talk) 07:55, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway apart from the above editor's expressed concerns, the main question here is are the edits done by  of merit/relevance to be reinserted back into the article, by possibly another editor? On my part i will have some hours spare a little later to give a better reply. Best.Resnjari (talk) 08:10, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hahn is clear. he has described the town without Greek inhabitants.Jingiby (talk) 14:26, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also an additional problem with IEL.'s barrage of edits: the various demographic estimates (new and old) are about the region (kaza, prefecture etc.) not the city itself. Thus they are not representative for this article.Alexikoua (talk) 20:48, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, however Eselet recent contribution  to the page which kickstarted the addition of regional demographic material of kazas etc as opposed to just the town are also not representative for this article. Move that content to Florina (regional unit)?Resnjari (talk) 09:56, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't add anything of what you are claiming I did. Be more careful. Esslet (talk) 13:31, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You added content on Kazas, i.e district demographics. Check your own edits > . This article is about the town. There is a article on the district.Resnjari (talk) 14:08, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: THAT WAS ALREADY THERE RESNJARI, it's just how my edit is presented on the revision page for some reason for god's sake!... Esslet (talk) 21:13, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked into that, your right though its strange that the system highlighted that as a change. Might be a wiki glitch. Anyway that  part ought to be transferred. Before its done and to avoid time wasting discussions that go nowhere thereafter, anyone objects to it being transferred to the relevant page about the district (if so why)?Resnjari (talk) 17:55, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Although technically it could be transferred, the text and the history section in particular is consistent as it is now. Moving only that part to the(less popular I guess) article about the regional unit will create a 'gap' here and it will also look kinda weird there having some historical info only about the early 20th century. The only section regarding the history of the town of Florina and the surrounding region exists in this article. Moving only partial information to the regional unit article and keeping other here will create a mess. I suggest we keep everything about the history of Florina and the region in this article and so I'm asking you to please not move it for the above reasons. Esslet (talk) 20:52, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Having the district info here kind of makes having a separate Florina district page redundant. Otherwise why two separate pages. There was a similar issue at the Korce page and Greek editors felt that district information should be transferred from the city page to the district page -regarding in particular demographics. I don't see why an exception ought to be made here. This article does purport to be about the town.Resnjari (talk) 06:40, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

text: OK, move it, but some of the added sources yesterday describe the composition of the 1500 households of the town of Florina and distinctively of the Florina kaza with over 10,000 households.IE linguist (talk) 18:16, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Claim of source falsification

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message: 1. You say it has "another names", and you fail to mention the name that many of its inhabitant use in their native language: LERIN. Why you do not mention that for the city?
You go back in some theories about green vegetation, while you fail to see the REALITY - LERIN ! Please add, in brackets, after the name: Florina (Greek: Φλώρινα, Flórina; Macedonian: Лерин, Lerin).
That is how REAL encyclopedia will look like.
Look how it is written for Istanbul, even though there are almost ZERO greeks there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul
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2. This is also disinformation: Lerin (Florina) is not in the "Northwestern Macedonia", but in the Southwestern Macedonia. Northwestern Macedonia is Tetovo and Gostivar. Look on the map.
Wikipedia should be used for INFORMATION, not for lying to people.
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3. There are many more lies on this page, but I bet you will delete this, so why waste my time anymore?
I saved this, so I will post it to many other places, if nor reacted, to show how WIKIPEDIA is not true and should not be trusted! 77.28.174.109 (talk) 08:15, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine having "Lerin" in the lead, instead of just in the name section. Slavophones have historically been and still are a significant population of the town. --Local hero talk 05:02, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article full of lies!!!! Please correct it to be REAL and USEFUL for people, not for propaganda!