Talk:List of Hispanic and Latino Americans in the United States Congress

message: I deleted Charles Rangel.  He might be half-Puerto Rican by blood, but even that is disputed, and it's definitely no part of his identity.  Nowhere on his own page is he referred to as Hispanic, except in a footnote about the disputation; I think this page should draw on what that page says, and any arguments/edits take place there. -- Minivet (talk) 22:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone insists on including Charles Rangel, maybe the way to go is to mention him in a small section or a footnote. SamEV (talk) 23:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

text: See my comment below. SamEV (talk) 23:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Charles Rangel

message: Richard Pombo and David Valadao are not a Hispanic or Latino, so they should not be included on the list of Hispanic and Latinos since they are Portuguese Americans. Brazilians are Latinos, but not Portuguese. Only Brazilians; Spanish, who by the way are Hispanics, but not Latinos; Latin Americans; and their descendants should be included in the list. Willminator (talk) 23:37, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richard Pombo and David Valadao 

message: It's lacking. For example, why do the Senators get an ancestry/POB column, but the representatives don't? --96.241.77.157 (talk) 17:03, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I think that an "ancestry" column causes more trouble than it's worth, and should be removed.  But I agree that the birthplace column should be added to U.S. Representatives and Delegates, albeit without the little flag that only creates controversy (e.g., why is there a U.S. flag for someone born in St. Thomas in the 19th century, when it was a British colony?). AuH2ORepublican (talk) 12:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Birthplace should be listed for Congress, however Ancestry seems good too. The flag seems bad, I will remove them. --Frmorrison (talk) 21:14, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency? 

message: He was born to Basque parents, so he would be considered Hispanic. MB298 (talk) 04:10, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: More to the point, his parents were Basques from France, not from Spain, so he is not Hispanic. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 17:28, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

text: No, certainly not “racially” distinct, as Hispanic is not a race, but an ethnicity.  But just as someone from Windsor, Ontario is Canadian while someone from just across the River in Detroit, Michigan is American, a Basque from north of the Pyrennees is French (and almost certainly will speak French as a first or second language) while a Basque from south of the Pyrennees is Spanish (and almost certainly will speak Spanish as a first or second language). AuH2ORepublican (talk) 06:15, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Paul Laxalt]] 

message: According to the only reliable sources regarding Adalice Leite (Congresswoman-elect Lori Trahan's paternal grandmother), she was born in Bahia, Brazil (to Azorean parents) and, when her mother died, was sent to her aunt's home in Graciosa (in the Azores), where she was "raised" by her aunt.  None of the reliable sources (either in English or Portuguese) state at what age Adalice Leite moved from Bahia to Graciosa, but if it was as a young girl then I certainly understand the insistence of some editors that Lori Trahan is not actually of Brazilian descent.  While I am the editor who had added Trahan to the article (as a member elect) because of the reliable sources pointing to her paternal grandmother, Adalice Leite, being Brazilian, I now believe that we should wait for a reliable source that states that Adalice Leite (whose parents weren't Brazilian themselves) wasn't merely born in Brazil but raised there as well before we include Trahan on the list of Hispanic or Latino members of Congress. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 21:37, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lori Trahan 

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message: I have started a talk page discussion at Talk:John H. Sununu about whether John E. Sununu (who is on this list), John H. Sununu, and Chris Sununu are Hispanic/Latino. Please feel free to visit Talk:John H. Sununu to participate. SunCrow (talk) 23:46, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hispanic/Latino? 

message: The Spanish origins of Joseph Montoya were removed in this edit with the summary "as for Montoya, of course he has Spanish ancestry, but so does every other Mexican, Cuban and Puerto Rican on this list". This is not entirely true. Not all Hispanic and Latino Americans are descended from Spaniards, though almost all of them are assimilated to a culture from Spain. The Hispanos of New Mexico are a separate ethnic group whose culture is mainly derived from Spain. They will have a different experience in life to the Chicanos who identify with being mestizo, and obviously a different experience of life in the US to Afro-Latinos like Ritchie Torres. The assumption that all Hispanic and Latino Americans are of Spanish origin also makes invisible those like John E. Sununu whose ancestors came from a Spanish-speaking country, but were Arabs. Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:41, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Because New Mexico was part of Mexico from the time of Mexico's independence until New Mexico was ceded to the U.S. following the Mexican War, Montoya's ancestors were Mexican.  That most descended from Spaniards does not mean that his Hispanic or Latino ancestry should be described as "Spanish and Mexican."  I am well asare that there are Mexicans who don't have Spanish ancestry, but this article does not list as "Spanish" those who do, or else everyone listed as Mexican *in this article* would also be listed as Spanish; were the article to categorize Montoya as Spanish, it would have to do so for the 75 other Mexican-Americans who have served in Congress.  Heck, the same would be true for everyone else in the article other than John Sununu (who, as you noted, is of non-Spanish Salvadoran descent).  And given that Sununu is listed in this article both as a senator and as a representative despite his Salvadoran grandmother having two Lebanese parents (and no Spanish ancestry), it is odd for you to claim that the article not adding "Spanish" to every other person listed here makes Sununu "invisible."  I can see him (twice); can't you? AuH2ORepublican (talk) 18:20, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joseph Montoya's Spanish (from Spain) origin is fully relevant 

message: I added former U.S. representative Antonio Delgado, who identifies as Afro-Latino and has Mexican, Venezuelan and Colombian roots via his maternal grandmother and his mother's maiden name is Thelma Gomez. here. There has been criticism about how he identifies his ethnicity, but reliable sources nonetheless do generally refer to him as Latino per here and here. cookie monster 755 04:10, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antonio Delgado 

message: Google john garamendi hispanic, as easy as that. 62.99.89.51 (talk) 12:06, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[John Garamendi]] don't consider himself Hispanic 

message: His Lower Navarrese  mother  was from a French and Spanish border condominium. Irony intended, of course. 62.99.89.51 (talk) 12:09, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: His mother is Basque, which is not considered Hispanic. 74.104.221.2 (talk) 22:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is Paul Gosar? 

message: If anyone wants to help with pictures, which I don’t know how to do that would be great. 162.247.88.242 (talk) 01:44, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  I’m gonna add rest of the elects I know of from this election  

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message: Lori Trahan describes herself (at least in some sources) as being "the granddaughter of Brazilian and Portuguese immigrants" . I understand that Portuguese-Americans (not Hispanic or Latino) are not listed on this page, but I thought that her partial Brazilian background (Latino) is what is relevant here. As a member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, the CHC BOLD PAC endorsed Trahan's re-election campaign . TJMSmith (talk) 13:26, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @TJMSmith, according to the only reliable sources regarding Adalice Leite (Congresswoman-elect Lori Trahan's paternal grandmother), she was born in Bahia, Brazil (to Azorean parents) and, when her mother died, was sent to her aunt's home in Graciosa (in the Azores), where she was "raised" by her aunt. None of the reliable sources (either in English or Portuguese) state at what age Adalice Leite moved from Bahia to Graciosa, but given that she was "raised" in the Azores, it must have been as a young girl.  I think that we should wait for a reliable source that states that Adalice Leite (whose parents weren't Brazilian themselves) wasn't merely born in Brazil but raised there as well before we include Trahan on the list of Hispanic or Latino members of Congress. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 20:12, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lori Trahan possible inclusion 

message: Brand new congressman John Duarte requires a picture sadly it seems I am having trouble with it.  If anyone can help me that would be great. 98.216.87.171 (talk) 03:19, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would anyone mind helping add a picture for John Duarte? 

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