Talk:Main Building (University of Texas at Austin)

message: ...a bit about the Burleson Bells today.  Follow that link, there's a picture of them. I guarantee you'll recognize the structure, and go "Oh!"  I had no idea what those things were even though I passed them almost every day.  (I only know because I did a story about UT's building architecture when I was a student.) · Katefan0(scribble)/mrp 19:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I knew they were tower bells but not the OLD MAIN bells ;-) I forgot to add them to the article!  I know  checked out a fantastic book from the PCL that covered a lot of the Tower destruction and construction in 1934-7.  Did you know that people wrote poems in protest? LOL.  Now we write rock songs, so I suppose it's just poetry with a melody. Anyway, I'm hoping we can check it out again and get more information.  Any chance that you wrote any of those articles on the Tower?  — Scm83x talk  20:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll never tell! <coy></coy> · Katefan0(scribble)/mrp 20:22, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: Does anybody know if that little science library is still in the main building, also?  It was when I was a student a few years ago.  I remember going up into this teeny room with horrendously narrow stack aisles (and the referenced dumbwaiter) to do research for a term paper on fetal alcohol syndrome. · Katefan0(scribble)/mrp 20:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, I think  goes there to study a lot.  I've never been inside the library there but he mentioned it being the "Life sciences" library.  No doubt, it's still there. — Scm83x talk  20:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

text: *I should clarify that link has more than a mention - they have some nice photos there. The stencilling includes the wording from the constitution about the establishment of a university of the first class...Johntex\talk 20:10, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Anyone think it'd be relevant to have a picture of the Life Science library on the page?  I don't have anymore classes today, so I could go snap one. — Scm83x talk  20:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's it.  Life sciences library.  I knew it was some science or another.  I never had a reason to go there until I did that paper on FAS, I remember how shocked I was to learn that "MAI" on UTCAT meant main building :/ · Katefan0(scribble)/mrp 20:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it'd be fun to have a shot of the dumbwaiter (which they were still using as of a couple years ago.  I was completely befuddled by it.) · Katefan0(scribble)/mrp 20:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Egad - I'm surrounded by Liberal Arts majors!!!  :-)  I spent *a lot* of time in that library.  It is very conveniently located to the greenhouses and the turtle pond.  Although I think I remember reading a while back that the turtle pond was jeopardized by some new building expansion.  Is it still there?  And yes, a photo from the Life Science Library would be awesome, please.  Johntex\talk 20:22, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's still there.  I doubt they'd get rid of it now that they made it into also a memorial to the tower shootings.   · Katefan0(scribble)/mrp 20:27, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Scm83x and I grabbed a few shots of the Life Sciences Library earlier this afternoon. Scm83x also asked one of the librarians about the dumbwaiter; apparently, they removed it quite a while back. Now all that's left of the shaft that housed the dumbwaiter is a closet filled with wiring and servers for the computers throughout the Tower. -Rebelguys2 01:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: Just for the record, how many suicides took place before the barriers were installed? (needed for the suicide sites article) - Eagleamn 04:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: I would like to move the article to Main Building (The University of Texas at Austin). The disambiguation page Main Building lists the other Main Buildings in the United States with their respective university's in parentheses. The University of Texas at Austin sites the name as Main Building and not Main Building of The University of Texas at Austin. Building Website Comments? Do you agree? NThomas76207 (talk) 06:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
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message: Near the end of my post on the thread the tower is 28-floors tall, I stated in passing that the article cited after the introductory content does not appear to be directly pertinent to any of the text that precedes it. The intro at present reads:
The citation that immediately follows these two sentences was added by  early in 2008, and the article it references details an interview with Cheryl Botts Dickerson, who encountered Charles Whitman (the "Texas Tower Sniper") atop the UT Tower in the midst of his infamous killing spree in 1966. It is a truly chilling account, and it possibly deserves mention elsewhere in the Main Building article; but since it does not expressly bear upon any of the points presented immediately before, it should be replaced or simply removed. I believe the first paragraph at WP:WHYCITE may serve somewhat to defend this:
Located where it is, the citation is in most direct proximity to the end of the second sentence, "The Main Building's 307-foot (94 m) tower has 30 floors and is one of the most recognizable symbols of the university and the city"; however, as the article cited does little to substantiate the physical characteristics noted in the first clause, readers may be led to infer that it stands instead to lend credence to the second clause, which asserts the Tower's status among the locale's "most recognizable symbols". This potentially serves to impart an initial bias to the Wikipedia article by the single association offered in its introductory passage. While the Whitman story is inarguably a well-known and notable part of UT's past, it does not merit promotion as the reason the Tower is so recognizable a local landmark (and even if it did, a link to the Whitman or Tower shooting article might be preferable to/more elucidating than a reference to a single eye-witness account). As it stands, I believe this second clause requires either:
* more and better references that further illuminate what makes the Tower recognizable; or,
* perhaps none at all, as the rest of the article already speaks to the history (including the 1966 massacre), tradition, and other notable points for which the Tower is known.
(To be clear, the declaration that the Tower is recognizable is not in dispute.)
It should be noted that the citation in question was initially placed within the sentence, immediately after the number of floors, which was changed from 32 to 28 in the same edit; and to be fair, the referenced story's epilogue does begin, "Twenty-eight floors below...". That doesn't really serve to confirm the information referencing it in the Wikipedia article, though, as it is simply a phrase within a journalistic narrative, not an authoritative or verifiable source of information about the building's architecture. Although this citation has stood now for over 11 years, it seems dubious as to whether it was ever an appropriate or helpful reference, either as originally inserted or in its current location (I have not yet searched the history for when it was moved to the end).
To remedy these specific points, I would like to update the number of floors from 30 to 27 per my arguments in the thread noted above, adding references to any of the sources I mentioned and/or others. The height spec deserves citation too, I'd imagine, likely pointing to some of the same sources. UPDATE: I have made these changes. Lardofdorkness (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
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