Talk:Desert Fathers

message: Does anyone know the logical relationship between Desert Fathers and Sowha? Are they the same, or is one a subset of the other, or are they separated in history, or completely diffrent? I'll post this at both talk pages. Melchoir 09:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never even heard of the Sowha (though, admittedly, my knowledge of Christian monastacism isn't flawless).  The article on them is pretty sketchy, but it sounds like a modern sect of Coptic Christians.  And, from looking at the review on Amazon.com, my assumption seems correct.  I imagine the Sowha feel themselves to be successors of the desert fathers, but I don't think there's any real connection.  -- Merope 13:41, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sowha

message: Not much discussion here, so I'll just post this without a heading.  I changed the line "Many individuals who spent part of their lives in the Egyptian desert went on to become important figures in the Church and society of the fourth and fifth century, among them Athanasius of Alexandria, John Chrysostom, John Cassian, and Augustine of Hippo," to remove Augustine.  He never went to the desert.  He was both influenced by the stories of the desert hermits and a supporter of their work, so I left him in the following line.  I don't know about the rest of the list, so I make no claim that it is now either correct or generally inclusive.  Windthorst (talk) 16:07, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Augustine

message: Should "desert fathers" be capitalized? That is, was there an organization called the Desert Fathers, or is it a generic term? If the latter, the title of this article should be changed to Desert fathers, per WP:MOS#Article titles. I have found some justification on the web for using lower-case (e.g., in the second paragraph of this article in OrthodoxWiki. It seems to me that this term is pretty similar to church fathers, but I think we are getting it wrong there, too. Peter Chastain (talk) 15:27, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should remain capitalized based on the fact that everything single thing written about them always refers to them in capital letters. Every book and every scholarly paper. There was no "organization" but the hermits that lived during this period who had an enormous impact on Christianity were given that honorable title. It is a well known and accepted title to describe those monks and hermits of that particular period. Sbs108 (talk) 17:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Proper name?

message: I've reorganized and retitled those sections from what I found here, since what the Fathers taught were far more often called 'teachings' then 'philosophy', according to reliable sources. The sections that are more of a 'teaching' from the Sayings of the Desert Fathers are now under the "Teachings" section, and the "Practices" of the Fathers are under that section. I also retitled two of the subsections. Reliable sources invariably lead with describing their regular and frequent practice of reciting the scriptures as just that, not as "meditation", though that term is also used sometimes and is appropriate in the text. I also changed the "No Christian state" title, since that is not normally considered a core teaching or practice of the Fathers, except as mentioned in the context of their withdrawal from society - which was indeed a core practice. First Light (talk) 18:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganizing of philosophy/teachings/practices sections 

message: Where does the Evergetinos fit in with the other 'Essential texts'? Is it original in content or same as Systematic sayings?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.66.5.185 (talk) 12:08, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Evergetinos

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