Talk:Break (music)

message: An instrumental break for pre-hip-hop popular music usually denotes a section where a musician takes a solo, perhaps only a few bars in length. This is actually quite different from the hip-hop definition, although the hip-hop custom of a break derives from this practice which goes back centuries - in the eighteenth century such an improvised passage in a musical piece was called a cadenza, so there is linkage. However, "Instrumental break" should not direct here - it's really a different thing altogether, with a history that at least encompasses the entirety of recorded popular music in the twentieth century, and requires its own article.PJtP (talk) 21:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Need for separate article on instrumental break rather than a redirect to this page

message: Originally the page said that Cash Crew were the first to sample the break from 'Take me to the Mardi Gras', but it was actually Rick Rubin in 'Peter Piper', a 1986 Run DMC track.  Cash Crew did a re-construct of the beat on a drum machine, not the same thing at all.
:Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 03:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Take Me to the Mardi Gras"

message: I wouldnt concider underoath, parkway drive, nor bring me the horizon notable in any way for their breakdowns, where is the few of the first such as dark angel's darkness descends? Or metallica's one, or earth crisis's wrath of sanity Slayer's angel of death? Those where the few of the first  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.16.203.98 (talk) 21:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the breaks had citations. I'll readd those. Hyacinth 09:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This problem is still apparent... what makes a break notable? I'm thinking specifically of inclusions like Despised Icon and Beneath The Massacre. No citations for notability. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 22:12, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable breaks 

message: *"When the Levee Breaks" by Led Zeppelin, used by Enigma, Tomoyasu Hotei, Björk, Sophie B Hawkins, Dr Dre, A Perfect Circle and others.
*"She's Got the Look" by Roxette
*"Ashley's Roachclip" by Chuck Brown & the Soul Searchers, used most famously by Milli Vanilli on "Girl You Know It's True" and "Baby, Don't Forget My Number"
*"Bullet In The Head" by Rage Against the Machine
*"Album of the Year" by the Good Life (2004)
*"Satan" by Satan (666)
The above removed as uncited. Hyacinth 04:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More uncited breaks removed

message: I object to the redirection of "breakdown section", which is a separate and distinct terminology and the parent concept behind break as in breakdance.  Breakdown Section is the highest and most proper terminology for this usage, and it has its own singular origin and usage.  Start asking REAL DJs what the most appropriate term is before you take the entire language into your own hands and move things out of order.  What about discussion on such matters? - tednor
:I second that motion, mostly because the distinction between breaks and breakdowns in the current article gets very hazy, with multiple, overlapping definitions and usages jostling each other. There should be separate articles for "Break (music)" and "Breakdown (music)". InnocuousPseudonym 08:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't ask DJs anything and cite it in Wikipedia, as that would be original research. Hyacinth 01:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: No, you don't. However, this is contested, right here, right now. Hyacinth 04:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Articles on similar yet different topics may be combined until those articles are no longer stubs. This keeps wikipedia from having dozens of one sentence articles on closely related subjects. Once the section on breakdowns would no longer be a stub as its own article it may be made such, with a link to that article featured at the top of the now shortened section on breakdowns in the break article. Hyacinth 04:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It looks at this point that you would have enough to write on breakdowns to justify their own page. Hyacinth 05:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect

message: I think something's been lost in translation from the source used to credit Tom Moulton, to this article. I have never heard the term "immaculate" (which literally means "spotless") used in a musical context, and whoever wrote that live performances tend to rise in pitch does not know what s/he's talking about. Most instruments cannot rise in pitch (if anything, they flatten rather than sharpen), first of all. I think what happened is this: Moulton probably was referring to the common musical device whereby the latter sections of a track might MODULATE (not "immaculate") to a different, usually higher, key. (Listen to any Barry Manilow record. On second thought, don't.) So if you're trying to cut the later part of the record in to the first, it'll be in a different key. That modulation can be obscured by (as Moulton did) using non-pitched musical information, such as percussion. (Nowadays, digital editing can merely change the pitch w/o changing the tempo...) My guess is that whoever transcribed the Moulton interview wasn't familiar with the term "modulate" (or hell, maybe Moulton wasn't - and misused the word "immaculate"). But I think that section of this article should be edited...unless someone can come up with a second citation for the use of "immaculate" as a musical term meaning "to rise in pitch." 2fs (talk) 05:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could be Emasculate ? --87.194.174.252 (talk) 14:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's definitely MODULATE, as any survivor of grade one music theory knows. Also, isn't "I Feel Love" the one most famous example of a disco breakdown??81.178.147.64 (talk) 14:48, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct09/articles/classictracks_1009.htm81.178.147.64 (talk) 14:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you talking to yourself now? Hyacinth (talk) 20:37, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

text: I can't think of a pitched instrument that can't both raise and lower its pitch. For example: . Hyacinth (talk) 20:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Immaculate"? 

message: *Most well known are breaks from soul and funk music such as the Amen break and the Funky drummer. On disco 12" records nearly every song has a break, most often multiple breaks, most noticeably an "intro", an outro, and a breakdown section.
The above was removed anonymously with no reason given. Hyacinth 00:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: Which book is it that Brewster and Broughton wrote which seems to say everything you need to know about breaks on page 79? --Abdull 09:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look in the sources section. Note that it is not the only source used. Hyacinth 22:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference 

message: *"Breaks are for the drummer; breakdowns are for hands in the air" (Brewster and Broughton 2003, p.79)
*Examples of the elements left during a breakdown include "a single string note, a German woman having an orgasm, or the voice of God telling you to take drugs" (Brewster and Broughton 2003, p.79).
Both of the above quotes have been repeatedly removed without discussion on this page. I am readding them as clear reasons for removal have yet to be given. The first quote is an explanation of the difference between breaks and breakdowns. The second provides the only examples of what is featured in a breakdown. Hyacinth 22:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect that the reason they have been repeatedly removed is the tongue-in-cheek tone of both quotes. They read like lame jokes, not serious definitions or clarifications. For the purposes of an encyclopedia article both would come across better if they were paraphrased instead of quoted word for word. (For the record, I never took down the second quote and have left the first one alone since you restored it.) InnocuousPseudonym 06:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please paraphrase them. Hyacinth (talk) 23:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed: Difference

message: *Do Not approve - I do not think this merge is necessary because I see breaks as a legitimate classification separate from beats. Axcess (talk) 22:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: Perhaps some expert could Talk:Chord_(music)#Analyze_a_rap_song
and list it as an example if there is anything special in it. Jidanni (talk) 01:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Analyze a rap_song

message: Earl Scruggs is usually cited as the author of both "Earl's Breakdown" and "Foggy Mountain Breakdown".  For example, on every album/CD I have ever owned with either song on it, the author is invariably cited as Earl Scruggs.  Moreover, I cannot find Clemente Delgado referenced in conjunction with either song anywhere on the Web. If there is no further discussion of this soon, I feel I ought to edit the reference. Donmillsbridge (talk) 14:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Author of "Foggy Mountain Breakdown" 

message: Break has another meaning in music... the change in tone between, for example, registers of the clarinet. Where should this information go, I wonder? Andrewa (talk) 05:24, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Register break

message: Okay, it looked like some kid had decided to put his top 40 favourite hardcore breakdowns in as "notable breaks". I've HEAVILY abridged it for conciseness' sake.Kung Foo (talk) 11:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Metal/hardcore Breakdowns

message: How and where is this article unbalanced? Hyacinth (talk) 01:27, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Unbalanced

message: How, where, and why is the factual accuracy of this article disputed? Hyacinth (talk) 04:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Tag removed at some point. Hyacinth (talk) 02:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Factual accuracy

message: Why and where does this section need additional citations for verification? What references does it need and how should they be added? Hyacinth (talk) 02:20, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Tag removed. Hyacinth (talk) 22:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional citations: Breakbeat

message: *"Creeping Death" by Metallica
*"No Pity For A Coward" by Suicide Silence
I removed the above as uncited. Hyacinth (talk) 22:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed: Uncited

message: I have initiated a formal RM action to move Musical scale to Scale (music). Contributions and comments would be very welcome; decisions of this kind could affect the choice of title for many music theory articles.
NoeticaTea? 00:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move: "Musical scale" → "Scale (music)"