Talk:Cincinnati riots of 2001/Archive 1

message: Cleared out some of the unnecessary "According to eyewittness" statements
Some of those qualifiers were placed in front of information that were not disputed by the police or eyewittnesses. Also expanded on the non-violent nature of the spontaneous post-funeral march which is not in dispute by police or eyewittnesses.
Changed into it's own heading as it has become a subtopic unto itself. --Duemellon smometime on 20 August 2005
:Re-removed the "according to eyewitness" statements as they were unnecessary as those details which were being qualified are not in dispute by anyone who was present. Also reinserted the statement that the march was wholly peaceful which, again, is not in dispute. I ask... BEG... you to begin a discussion on this topic as your edits are not following a good code-of-conduct. Please join others in the discussion. --Duemellon 15:23, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thomas' Funeral Detals 

message: Created subtopic of the boycott. --Duemellon
Removed the statement that the boycott has no demands as it is completely incorrect. The demands of the boycott group were clear, placed on their website & announced at the introduction of the boycott. The local media did a terrible job of explaining the demands & the average person on the street is unaware of them. --Duemellon
Removed the statement that a boycott was called by Cincinnati businesses against the boycott. Which seems a bit wierd. The boycott directly effects business so of course Cincy businesses would want to organize a resistance. I'm not sure what value-add that statement has except to demonstrate that the boycott is a contentious issue. --Duemellon
Remove the "many people supported" statement as that is not quantifiable. --Duemellon
Removed the qualifying statement "small" in "The boycott is currently in effect, and the small number of its supporters continue to protest at special events and private businesses." as this is a subjective term and statistically unprovable. It further sets a dismissive tone to the boycott. Again, please engage in a conversation regarding your concerns so we stop this back-and-forth edit-battle. --Duemellon 15:56, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boycott Details 

message: I thought there was much more written about the circumstances of Timothy's death? I replaced the oversimplistic statement saying "Timothy Thomas ran from police down a dark alley and was shot" with something that provides needed context. 
Moved the details from the introduction (to the Beginning) as his death might have sparked the riots but it was not the riot itself. The subject of this article is the riot, it's causes & effects.
Removed the statement that it "was the style of young black men to wear their pants below their undeware" as that is innaccurate as it was the style of many people of different races and to better define the style by noting it's "large pants that sag" otherwise he could've pulled them up and they'd've stayed. (and what a stupid style it is!).
:re-edited another restatement of that as innaccurate. "Thomas might have been attempting to pull up his pants which would have looked like reaching for a weapon as it was the style of young black males at the time was to wear ill-fitting pants so large that they sag below their underware." As it was not limited to Black males at the time. Changed it to: "Thomas was probably reaching to pull up his pants which were quite large and sagged below as was the current style of many young men at the time" as Roach specifically cited this. This was not an incident where Roach said "He thought Thomas was trying to pull up his pants" it was that, after the fact & during the trial he specifically stated that Thomas must've been trying to pull up his pants which made it look like he was reaching for a weapon. --Duemellon 15:42, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Timothy Thomas' death

message: Removed the statement that young black males's violence consisted of: "for the most part, looted sneaker shops, overturned hotdog vendor carts, set fire to store fronts, and made it a point to target whites for violence." which seems inflammatory and intentionally only partially accurate. --Duemellon 02:17, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main article introduction 

message: The original sentence of:
"It should be noted that for a city the size of Cincinnati, the number of deaths as a result of confrontations with police was not disproportional for that time period." somewhat mischaracterized what the charges of racial profiling were about so to ensure it was clear I continued the statement by adding "...but the fact that only Black males were killed during that span is the focus of the profiling charge." --Duemellon 03:13, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: re-edited the statement about "not being disproportional" as the point was made before that it was because it was only Black males killed during that time. It wasn't a complaint about the police being on a rampage, but that they were targetting Black males. Again, I invite you to join me in a discussion. That statistic isn't necessary but if it's included it will be balanced with that qualifying information. --Duemellon 15:15, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background to Tensions 

message: Edited:
Removed the statement regarding Angela Leisure's later comments saying "regretted telling him to run from police"
* Please back that up (citation)
* Find a more appropriate place to insert it as it was clunky where it was
Went through to replace "disburse" with "disperse" as I'm sure that was the author's intent and other smaller spelling mistakes.
Replaced "demand for an answer" with the demand for details. As "answer" is quite ambivelant & inaccurate.
Also changed the number of protestors to an estimation. --Duemellon 14:32, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The beginning 

message: To flesh out the information regarding the increase of reported violent incidents I included the implied call for a police work slowdown by FOP leader Keith Fangman. 
Removed this portion ("Since ending the practice of pro-active policing and racial profiling,...") of the sentence as it was covered in the following paragraph & the statement that they "ended racial profiling" is still hotly contested and unprovable statistically --Duemellon 14:54, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy of Violence 

message: Removed the "The older generation of black community leaders took the initiative to create non-violent means of protest. A boycott was called on Cincinnati which led to several well known celebrities and organizations to cancel previously scheduled and recurring events, as well as several celebrities citing the racial tensions dissuading them from scheduling proposed events. Cincinnati Mayor Charlie Luken said the demands of the boycott were impossible to meet. The demands changed often and varied depending on which organizations were calling the boycott." from the initial heading of the aftermath as being redundant to the latter subtopic of the boycott. --Duemellon 15:46, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aftermath 

message: The details about him losing his gun were removed. The gun he lost was his private weapon not an official sidearm. It's relevence was slight in exception of eluding to Roach's carelessness. --Duemellon 16:26, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Officer Steven Roach 

message: Whoever posted the challenge to NPOV did not put any entry in the discussion to talk about. Seeing as you have not specified the aspects you disagree with, I am removing the challenge until you do.
You have the ability to challenge nuetrality, but in the same vein, you should participate in it's attempt to become NPOV. If you simply complain about it with no real goal or intent to help, please don't complain. Removing neutrality challenge until the person with the problem enters a discussion about what specific aspects are wrong. --Duemellon 14:24, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality Challenge 

message: Even though it has not been cited specifically, many ppl who leave Cincy are doing so citing the violence & crime in the main city area. Although the riots are not the reason they left, the legacy of violence left by the criminal intent & the lack of police presence both greatly contribute to the increase of crime & violence. As many people have cited violence & crime, there is a relationship between the increase of those things & the riots. I think that should be included. --Duemellon 13:30, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaving due to violence 

message: This article should be titled “2001 Cincinnati riots,” per Wikipedia’s naming conventions. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs, blog) 04:46, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: whew, that was a lot. --Duemellon 18:16, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Changes