Talk:Billy Collins

message: I'm wondering about the section "...as the eleventh Poet Laureate of the United States..." This seems somewhat confusing, as really Billy Collins was the forty-second or forty-fourth Laureate in all but name alone. Further, even taking the starting point as the switching from the term Consultant in Poetry to Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry, Billy Collins was the fourteenth Poet Laureate. The calculation of eleventh seems to be leaving out the 1999-2000 Laureates, the only year to include more than one, of Merwin, Dove, and Gluck.
I'm not sure how best to rephrase this, but I do think the confusion should be addressed. I believe most people think of Poet Laureates as a tradition dating back to at least the early half of the 20th century; the way this is written, Frost would not be considered a Poet Laureate, nor would Kunitz. Indeed, William Carlos Williams, referred to as a Poet Laureate in the Life section, would have to be the negative-twenty-first Poet Laureate by the reckoning used. That just seems strange to me.
Kalisti 07:55, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: As to the above problem perhaps something like "the eleventh Poet Laureate (or the forty-fourth if poets with the former distinctio Perhaps the cover of "The Best Cigarette" would be public domain since the recording it? I don't know the details of that, however.
JKillah 15:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work Section 

message: Wasn't this entire article copied and pasted from reference.com? 
Fallen111 01:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference Copy 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Picniclightning.jpg

message: NOTE TO shelfskewed... Apologies if we have broken rules but we do not believe we have done so... Does adding author interviews fall under the spam rules (they are Q&As with said authors)? For example, you have left interviews with other entities under said articles (Guernica, Powells, NPR, etc...) Again, since the magazine is not for profit and posting author interview with the article subjects is not spamming. Again, we mean no harm but honestly believe that said interviews with these subjects should be included among the links and since the authors are speaking for themselves are valuable for wiki users.128.172.155.42 (talk) 20:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External link to interviews are not spam

message: No offense to whoever wrote that section, but that's a little biased. Even if many scholars view him as "too accessible," I doubt their reasoning is as assanine and pretensious on its face as "the readers connect with the poems and understand them." Id like to see proof someone has actually used those words. Even if you dont agree with the "too accessible" criticism, it's probably unfair to say anyone who's ever made that criticism thinks poems should have no personal connection, a claim which the writer of this section makes-SF  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.237.201.106 (talk) 00:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Critical Reception" 

message: Dear Sir      Check out Wiki's article on Poet Robert Peters and you'll see there is a wonderful quote by Billy Collins showing significant impression.  Also Billy Collins had done an interview with Robert Peters printed in one of RP's volumes of poetry GAUGUIN'S CHAIR.   Billy Collins would never categorically deny taking courses from Poet Robert Peters at UCR when it is absolutely true.  Who are you?  Why don't you have a bio on your talk page so other folks would know something about you? Pjt48 (talk) 15:47, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "who are you" 

message: It would be nice of you to log in and share something about yourself.   I'm not going to undo what you had undone regarding " Rivers" influence on Collins.  What gives you the right to determine what is "extraordinary" influence and what is not?  Poet "Rivers" is Peters, at least get that right.  Stating the fact that Peters was a professor of Collins in by book is not considered a "plug" and "inappropriate".  I do think you are somewhat of a bully who can't identify yourself for proper & civil discussion.  What is wrong naming a professor who Collins once had because other professors aren't named?   It would be integral part of Wiki's article on Billy Collins to include poets who may had a minor or major impact on him.  Pjt48 (talk) 04:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  76.5.42.243 user's name 

message: Young lady you have no reason to be defaming me as being a plugger or a hitcher.  My contribution to Collins article is innocuous insertion of his past when he was a student, giving other readers of this article more factual information about that time of his life.  What is your relationship to Collins?  I don't know why you are quibbling with me and insisting of deleting my contribution. It's been there for sometime until you came into the scene.  I don't want to be dragged down by your picayune reason for your deletion.  Pjt48 (talk) 04:49, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Third opinion:Reading some of the things claimed when the link to Peter's was removed you would think that he was being cited as a major influence in the article.  This is not the case.  Perhaps the wording could be changed slightly to his "His professors at Riverside included Robert Peters."  This is biographical information and should be kept.  Yaris678 (talk) 08:21, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 76.5.42.243 relationship to Collins

message: In light of recent comments made on this page, I ask that the editors here take note of our policy on civility and act accordingly.  Thank you.  Gamaliel (talk) 14:11, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Peters page has some issues, and I'm going to do some work on it.  As far as the issue of Peters on this page, Peters may be an insignificant figure in Collins' life or he may be an influence like Coleridge.  Either way, it will be settled with sources, not by attacking each other.  We have a rule of thumb here called "assume good faith" that asks editors not to impugn the motives of other editors.  Whatever Pjt's motive, let's please assume s/he has the best interests of this article in mind.  Gamaliel (talk) 03:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Gamaliel.  I also think that 76.5.42.243 is overstating the claims that were being made for Peters's influence.  It merely stated that he was a lecturer.  This is a basic biographical fact.  We don't list every lecturer but I think we can mention all lecturers who are notable.  This is not the same thing as having had a large influence.  Peter's is notable enough to have his own article.  One sentence that says he was Collins's lecturer does not seem over the top.  Yaris678 (talk) 09:00, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civility and recent coments 

message: An anon IP has deleted the link to www.billy-collins.com with the edit summary "billy-collins.com is out of date, incomplete, and useless". A cursory glance at the site in question confirms that it has not been kept up-to-date; no external link is 'complete', whatever that means; but it is far from useless, as there appears to be lots of good info there. There seems to be no justification for its deletion, as it supplies additional information to the interested WP reader. I'll restore the link now, and hope the IP will engage here before attempting to remove again. Anyone else have thoughts on keeping or deleting the link? --Yumegusa (talk) 16:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link to www.billy-collins.com 

message: In the Wik article on U.S. Poet Laureates, there is a sentence saying that a number of poets protested when BC was selected and evendesignated an anti-PL.  I was curious why there would be a protes, so I went to the most likely place to find out, the BC Wik site.  Alas, there seems to be no mention of the action.  In fact, all I see is a comment on this talke page about critical reception (apparently referring to now-deleted material).  Could some-one in the know please  enter a short discussion of the protetst? Kdammers (talk) 05:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: All I could see was a small protest by Anselm Hollo and the University of Buffalo - mentioned on Hollo"s page. They don't believe in laureates generally, it seems and set Hollo up and the "anti-laureate". Nothing against Billy personally. From what I see, I don't think it's worth going into.Spanglej (talk) 08:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  If it doesn't warrant going into here, then it certainly doesn't warrant inclusiion on the PL page, right? Kdammers (talk) 09:39, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  PL Objections 

message: The AQR webpage states "Billy Collins is a contributing editor to Alaska Quarterly Review and most recently guest edited our spring & summer 2000 poetry section." It's hard to see how they could lie about such a thing - it's very bold of them, if they are lying. It's hardly worth getting into a wobble about but I'm curious why - someone - is so anxious to insist that he had nothing to do with AQR. It's easier to have a discussion with signed in folks. Best wishes Spanglej (talk) 16:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  AQR  

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thread_title:  Copyright problem 

message: I'm intrigued by the lack of personal information about Collins, of the type that is usually supplied by a Wikipedia article. The point is not whether we should WANT to know about a subject's  marriages, divorces, number of children, concubines, foreclosures,  drinking problems or whatever, but that these facts traditionally are included (ideally, with citations.) . That type of treatment may be kind of messy, but it actually deals with the subject's life instead of a dry list of awards.  Unless Collins has more marriages than Liz Taylor and more children than Octomom, I'm not sure why he would mind.
Younggoldchip (talk) 20:22, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to add it any time. Span (talk) 20:33, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange Lack of Collins's Personal Information 

message: I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates and tables for short stories, poems and/or book reviews. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. ISBNs and other persistent identifiers, where available, are commented out, but still available for reference. Feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 (talk) 10:24, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography