Talk:Herman Van Rompuy

message: Is there no better picture that can be used? The current one makes him look like Gollum. 128.243.220.22 (talk) 05:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Better Picture?

message: * I have doubts about the IPA pronounciation which is provided. In particular relative to both R : is it r or ʁ ? could someone more familiar with IPA make a check ? Hektor (talk) 10:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And is the <v> really right? Shouldn't it be <f>?--Barend (talk) 13:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Both <r> and <ʁ> are used in Dutch, both in the Netherlands and in Flanders. The pronunciation <f> for v is however exclusive for (certain parts of) the Netherlands. MaartenVidal (talk) 21:02, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Why is this needed? There is a sound file that has the correct pronunciation. Snappy (talk) 15:41, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed.  If there were a set English pronunciation we could give that as well, as per the MoS, but I doubt that one could have emerged so soon.  Incidentally, what is transcribed as [ɾ] in the IPA sounds like [r] in the sound file to me, but I don't speak Dutch so I can't say how much that matters.  Though according to Dutch phonology both are in use.  Lfh (talk) 15:47, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The pronunciation in the sound file is correct. I speak Dutch and hail from the Flemish community, and it's pretty much spot on.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.190.253.144 (talk) 17:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: Herman Van Rompuy has climbed the online betting ladders (cite Paddy Power) to become one of the top 3 runners for the First Permanent President of the European Counsel.  Yet this article discusses almost nothing about his known politics, issues, views or opinions.  It simply lists his party and positions held.  For a man that in 30 days maybe the First Permanent President of the European Counsel we know nearly nothing about him.  Please help me extend this article posthaste.  I will begin adding what information is available about him from news articles and books, if everyone else pitches in maybe we can pull together a good article before he is crowned "President of Europe" as the press put it.OrangeCorner (talk) 03:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I came here for the same reason yesterday when I saw | this article. But his selection is still uncertain, looking at how EU politics work. Just look at Jean-Luc Dehaene's proposal as EC president. More info is always welcome but don't assume his selection is any more than speculation at this time. I recommend you ask for assistance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Belgium. --Triwbe (talk) 07:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional Information, Content and Scope Needed for Article

message: I'm creating a new section to add in accomplishments during Van Rompuy's political career.  Initially I'm adding a quote from Bloomberg on the amount he helped reduce the Belgian deficit by.  Other contributions in other areas are welcome as we try to build a better scope and larger amount of relevant content to the article.OrangeCorner (talk) 08:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Accomplishments in Politics

message: I edited the last sentence of that section to remove the word "tonight" before wondering why it was there in the first place. I then copy-pasted the last sentence of that section into google  and saw that it matched an LA Times news article . I don't care to compare the section as it currently is to the article to see how much was plagiarized, but someone else can do that. Just FYI, since the front page of the English-language version of wikipedia links directly to this section of the wiki article. tildetildetildetilde
"President"? I thought presidents were elected, at least in most parts of the world. This position was filled by appointment rather than a democratic election. He's also been labeled a "negotiator", although his opinions on the possibility of Turkey joining the EU do not reflect that (POV- I'm not too keen on Turkey joining the EU, either, but then again I am not trying to pass myself off as either a president or a negotiator).212.149.205.113 (talk) 07:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  At least parts of the section titled "President designate of the European Council" are copied straight from a news article 

message: There seems to be something wrong with the present photograph that one ought to resolve. It appears to be?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by I like my sugar with coffee and cream (talk • contribs) 21:26, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photographery issues 

message: can someone explain why Sources coming from the UK show only about a "fear in Turkey about him" while if you go to google.news turkey you see it barely mentioned? it stinks propaganda machine of the anglosaxon axis. --94.69.66.12 (talk) 21:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can somenone explain 

message: HVR's quote on Turkey's accession to the EU was slightly but significantly mistranslated by the EUobserver, as is mentioned in this Flemish article: . Later on, other media, just took over this translation. He actually says that Turkey is not Europe(an) and that Turkey will never be Europe(an). This is different from: Turkey will never be a part of Europe/EU. While he is most likely against the accession of Turkey, he did not threaten to (try to) block its accession, but said merely that Turkey is not European (e.g., culture-wise or geographically), and that Turkey will never be European. Secondly, the quote was not made during his prime ministerial function, so it does not belong in that section. In fact, his position was formulated, as a member of the opposition to the Belgian government, briefly before European leaders agreed to open negotiations with Turkey. Sijo Ripa (talk) 08:54, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To read the exact declaration about Turkey, please consult the Wikipedia in French .  We have worked to find the official text and give references.  Thank you very much (and sorry for my faults in English). --Égoïté (talk) 22:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkey position

message: As is widely known, the Lisbon Treaty will enter into force on December 1, 2009, and, according to several sources quoted in the article, that's when the term of office of the President of the European Council will start. However, some vandal has been repeatedly changing the date of the beggining of Mr. Van Rompuy term as President to January 1, 2010 without any explanation. And now, even the date of the entry into force of the Lisbon Treaty in a footnote of the article has been changed to January 1, 2010, which is a complete absurdity. --189.4.208.67 (talk) 03:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I again reversed edits that claimed Mr. Van Rompuy would take office as President on January 1. I did so based on the following statement contained in the official website of the European Union (more precisely, in a webpage dedicated to the 19 November 2009 Summit on appointments for the new top offices): The candidates are due to take up their posts when the treaty of Lisbon enters into force on 1 December [see http://www.consilium.europa.eu/showFocus.aspx?id=1&focusId=416&lang=en]. As always, the person claiming that Mr. Van Rompuy will not take office on that date has failed to discuss his/her claim in this talk page.--189.4.208.67 (talk) 09:25, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The official site is a primary source and is irrelevent. I've put up five independent sources including AFP, Irish Independent and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. If you want deeper digging, I'm sure we'll find sources telling you that he's taking office in January to give Belgium time to work through its hoops and appoint a new prime minister. Instead of bluntly disregarding the refs, you should try reading them. Therequiembellishere (talk) 13:15, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean the official source is a primary source and in entirely relevant.  The press agencies and media that repeat them are secondary sources and cannot have priority over the primary source. --Red King (talk) 15:04, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevertheless, what the primary source actually says is The formal decisions on these appointments will be taken once the Treaty of Lisbon has entered into force, on 1 December 2009..  Which certainly does not say that they will begin on 1 December (or indeed 1 January, for that matter. The Parliament might not ratify - unlikely but certainly possible). --Red King (talk) 15:13, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, the primary source does say that "The candidates are due to take up their posts when the treaty of Lisbon enters into force on 1 December", and the reference is provided above. Secondly, there is no vote by the European Parliament on the appointment of the President of the European Council. You accuse me of not reading secondary sources but I suggest you should read the Treaties. The European Parliament's approval is only necessary for the appointment of the High Representative. The Parliament has no voice in the appointment of the President of the European Council. And it is the website of the European Council itself that says that the appointees will assume their duties on December 1st. Finally, and as an aside note, we all know that the Copenhagen climate summit will take place in December, and surely the EU's new officials will be there to represent the Union. --201.33.30.202 (talk) 17:27, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Now its official: Today, December 1, the European Council assembled for the first time under the Treaty of Lisbon, that is now in force, and formalized the election of Mr. Van Rompuy as President of the European Council effective immediately. A press release was issued by the European Council reporting on the meeting and it is clearly stated that Mr. Van Rompuy's term as President starts today: http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/en/ec/111607.pdf.--201.33.30.202 (talk) 16:46, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of entry into force of Lisbon Treaty and begining of presidential term

message: I thought the Bilderberg story was a conspiracy thing...but a recent article published in Telegraph.co.uk reports that: 
"Mr Van Rompuy, 62, who was appointed to the newly-created £320,000-a-year post at last week's special EU summit, set out his stall on direct Euro-taxes during a private speech at a recent meeting of the Bilderberg group of top politicians, bankers and businessmen. The group officially meets in secret, but when selected details of his remarks leaked out, his office was forced to issue a public statement on his behalf."
pasted from: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/6622886/Herman-Van-Rompuy-Europes-first-president-to-push-for-Euro-tax.html
I can not find this "public statement" but clearly this might interest the reader investigate further this matter.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davedawit (talk • contribs) 09:46, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Taxation is entirely outside his competence as President of the Council, so his opinion is not particularly relevant.  In fact, taxation is one area that member states have not delegated to the EU, so it is entirely hypothetical. --Red King (talk) 15:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bilderberg Group speech 

message: We should note his personal interests like haikus. Newspapers in my country write "we don't know much about Herman Van Rompuy, but he likes haikus". See this:    --Ysangkok (talk) 19:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haiku 

message: Is his name really written with a capital Van. I know that in the Netherlands this would be highly uncommon. Well, he is not from there, so I do not know, but it surprises me t see his name spelled like this. Tomeasy T C 07:30, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Belgian names are generally written with a capital 'Van'. DDSaeger (talk) 09:37, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

text: From the Dutch Wikipedia about tussenvoegsels (yes, the English Wikipedia also call it a 'tussenvoegsel') in people's names:
In Dutch (in the Netherlands) you spell the 'van' with a lowercase v, if the persons first name is preceding it. Otherwise it is written with a capital V. e.g. Herman van Rompuy (in the Netherlands) or Mr. Van Rompuy.
In Dutch (in Flanders) you spell the 'van' with an uppercase v at all times. "In contrast, according to Dutch orthographic rules in Belgium, tussenvoegsels of surnames always keep their original orthography, as in meneer Van Der Velde, meneer P. Van Der Velde or Peter Van Der Velde." so in Flemish Dutch it would be Herman Van Rompuy.
Up to you all to decide if it should be in Dutch Dutch or Flemish Dutch, but I would say Flemish Dutch as he is Flemish after all. Woodcutterty (talk) 13:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Herman "van" or "Van" Rompuy 

message: Is there honestly no better picture of this goofy bastard that doesn't make him look like Chester The Molester? Hiberniantears (talk) 04:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph 

message: I'm not convinced that the speech by Farage is of sufficient importance to be in this relatively short article according to the terms of the undue weight clause of the NPOV policy.  Press coverage of it focused on Farage's rudeness, not on any questions he may have tried to raise about Van Rompuy's legitimacy.  So it certainly belongs in the Farage article, but not here.  I propose removing that paragraph. Chick Bowen 01:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there were no objections, I have carried this out. Chick Bowen 20:20, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Farage is literally the only reason anyone will ever know of this man outside incredibly niche circles of study and his name is now only mentioned once in the entire article. If thats NPOV I have no idea what is.2A02:8084:4EE0:6900:85CA:169B:49BD:5A8 (talk) 19:10, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Farage and undue weight 

message: Throughout the article no remark is made that in fact R is not a real president. He is appointed 'Chairman of the European Council'. This is commenly refered to as 'president' but is not his official title. Furthermore, he is not elected, but chosen by the council.
By leaving  out these rather important facts, the impression is given that R has a position simular to that of e.g. the president of the US. This is not the the case.
It would at least be politically correct to mention this.82.169.113.174 (talk) 14:45, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As we are a tertiary source, we use the terms used most commonly in reliable secondary sources, which in this case is "president."  But I don't think calling him a president implies anything; Giorgio Napolitano's powers and responsibilities are nothing like those of the president of the US, but we call him "president" anyway because that's his proper title. Chick Bowen 02:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not really a President 

message: As this seems to have been denied, I've removed it, see  Dougweller (talk) 21:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green tax claim 

message: This seems to be totally without citations; is anyone able to find a reputable source for this? If not then I propose removing it until such a source is located.
Any thoughts?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theadder (talk • contribs) 08:54, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship with President Barroso 

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