Talk:Kobza

message: Please consider the Turkic Kopuz which is probably where the name Kobza comes from. Kopuz 
81.213.0.98 30 June 2005 16:00 (UTC)
This has a common origin, but divergent development.
Galassi 01:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkic Kopuz 

message: Would be very useful. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:20, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Galassi this pic uploaded by you is on the Mandora page. I can find no reference that this is a mandora, and the Cossack use of the Mandora is not documented on the page. Can you help? Redheylin (talk) 23:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any idea what is a mandora? Galassi (talk) 00:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Please be civil and provide the evidence. Redheylin (talk) 00:36, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've played lutes for 20 years. And I am telling you it is one. You may look for contradictory evidence if you please.Galassi (talk) 00:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This IS original research, then? That is what I was thinking. Now, you ask if I know what a Mandora is. Again it depends what you mean. Here you have made one of several edits that Mandora is nothing to do with Mandore (instrument). This conflicts directly with the online Enc Brit here[] - and again you deleted info without references. This is significant, because we are very close here to Romanian kobza in design. Redheylin (talk) 01:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  THis is standard Early Music scholarship. Also EB is no longer considered a reliable source, especially for music-related matters.Lute88 (talk) 13:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Lute88 - you who are known to mail from Galassi's computer and have views and language indistinguishable from Galassi - then there is no problem. If this is "standard", then produce overwhelming references. Redheylin (talk) 23:51, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  All refs are there. Daft tags do not qualify as a contribution.Galassi (talk) 23:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

text:  There is no explicit statement that EB is no good, it just doesn't get any attention anymore. For MAndora articles see Andreas Schlegel's Laute in Europa, in German; and Renato Meucci, Federico Marincola and Pietro Prosser, all in Italian.Galassi (talk) 23:39, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Also

message: A predecessor of the torban called kobza (also known as bandura) was the instrument of the common folk. It differed from the torban by the absence of the bass strings, and was closely related in its organology to central European Mandora and Pandora (see Lute).
This is also problematic - it identifies the kobza and bandura. It's your product, Galassi, is it not? But the kobza-bandura, (which directs to this page) is not a true long-necked lute. There seems no consistency in the idea of "Ukrainian Kobza", which makes it even harder to see why you reject every connection with every non-Ukrainian kobza. Redheylin (talk) 02:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no such thing as consistency. Nothing is ever as clear-cut as we'd like it to be. There are hybrid instruments, and hybrid names. On Kobza and Mandora relationship see Jakob Stehlin.Lute88 (talk) 13:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is no possibility of consistency and clarity, then it was wrong to remove views that did not accord with your own absolutely clear and consistent, but sadly unreferenced, statements. Redheylin (talk) 23:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Torban]]

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