Talk:The Bootleg Series Vol. 4: Bob Dylan Live 1966, The "Royal Albert Hall" Concert

message: So what is the article trying to say? That the title of the album is wrong because it wasn't recorded at the Royal Albert Hall? Or that the bootlegs claimed that it was and the bootlegs were wrong? Someone needs to clean this whole thing up.
Is my edit helpful? Anyone want to word it better or in more Wikipedia style? 
Live 1966: The "Royal Albert Hall" Concert is a two-disc live album by Bob Dylan, released in 1998. It was recorded at the Manchester Free Trade Hall during Dylan's world tour in 1966, hence the quotation marks around the misinformation attribution to the Royal Albert Hall. (Oldham Evening Chronicle - 25 May 1966: "So the knockers are all stations go again. I am referring to the fantastic performance given by Bob Dylan at the Free Trade Hall last Tuesday night... I think Bob put his feelings over to the knockers just great. When someone shouted out to him 'Judas!', he just calmly went to the microphone and quietly drawled 'Ya liar'...") Extensively bootlegged for decades, it is an important document in the development of popular music during the 1960s. 131.111.161.185 (talk) 10:07, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Very Confusing

message: To me, now I could be wrong about this, it seems the reverting is over whether or not to mention "Greatest White Wonder: The Royal Albert Hall Concert 1966" in the article or to say "bootleg LPs with various titles" or something along those lines. Either way, I found it very suprising that there has't been anything on this talk page prior to this. But either way, I had a go at a compromise. Akamad 21:09, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no argument over substance here; JDG and BCG are simply reverting the article, over and over, apparently in hope of provoking a 3RR violation.  The substance was discussed on L1759's talk page; he posted the original reference, and hasn't quarreled with it. Simply put, there's no evidence that a "Greatest White Wonder" LP really existed, or that the title was anything more than something written/stamped on a blank-cover bootleg LP in a record store.  It's not listed in any of the reliable Dylan bootleg discographies -- check out this one, for example: http://www.edlis.org/bdbdb/ Monicasdude 22:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case I guess it's up to either JDG or BCG to find a reliable source to show otherwise, if not, Monicasdude's version should stand. Akamad 23:11, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Bobsboots says that "This LP is know to exist, but no information is available at this time." While that is probably a generic statement, it is listed on that site. Is there any reason why it is not a "reliable Dylan bootleg discography" ? -SECProto 01:59, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes; the site is notoriously riddled with egregious errors, and most of its text on boot LPs was copied verbatim from a decades-old book without updating, correction or verification. Its operator is hooked up to the commercial boot business, and virtually of the CDs it adds on its site are touted by the commercial boot seller it promotes in its "Links" section.  But, that aside, the Bobsboots entry certainly doesn't refer to the LP Landau described -- note that it says "no information is available," while the Landau article gives a full enough description; if the Bobsboots pointer were intended to refer to the LP discussed here, you'd see a link to a page like this one:  http://www.bobsboots.com/boots/bt-g008.html  As the original book noted, many if not most of the early LP boots were issued in plain covers without printed text, and that "Some of these packages have been altered by the distributors, retailers, and even by the end line consumer." After more than thirty years, nobody's turned up another copy of the LP Landau describes, and there's no reason to believe the title he mentions was anything more than one attached by an individual seller to a plain-cover bootleg. Monicasdude 16:39, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

text: He's just mumbling nonsense syllables, right up until the last phrase. He did the same bit at other shows; cf. C.P. Lee's book "Like The Night." Monicasdude 18:53, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempt at a compromise 

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message: Looking at the footage at the end of No Direction Home it's pretty clear that it's not Bob who says "Play it fucking loud". At that moment he is fully turned away from the mic and is saying something else to his band. In fact the comment seems to be more like "Play [or get] fucking loud" and sounds like an English accent. I've seen it suggested that the comment actually came from offstage (a roadie?) rather than from Bob or another band member, although there is no way we'll ever know for sure.
Should the section attributing this comment to Bob be changed?
Anyone with Google can find it to listen to. 
There is an audience voice saying, "Sing Dylan songs!" too...
After "Judas!", there is clapping, followed by more heckles. One of those shouts, barely audible on the record, is a man shouting, "I'm never listening to you again, ever!" Dylan then says "I don't believe you", then after a long pause, "You're a liar." Someone, not in the audience but not Bob Dylan, can be heard telling them to "get fuckin' loud" as they begin "Like a Rolling Stone." At the end, the audience erupts into applause and Dylan says, "Thank you." 131.111.161.185 (talk) 10:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who says "Play it fucking loud!"? 

message: Looking at the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ2AIc0cgvo (with the phrase in question subtitled) it's not obvious that it isn't Dylan saying "fuckin' loud." Personally, I don't hear a British accent.
24.235.51.72 (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probably Bob