Talk:UEFA Euro 2004

message: DragonFire, a table element width of over 100% is fairly nonsensical, don't you think? :) --Shallot 07:07, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that too but if the width isn't more than 100%, then the tables won't be aligned in all Wikipedia skins. You see, all tables have a width limit which is determined by the data inside each cell. If a table row has long names such as Netherlands, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg or Switzerland, the limit will be the smallest width in which the names aren't cut off. If you try to format a table by inserting a 75% width, for example, and if that width is smaller than the limit, then the table will preserve the data inside each cell and will discard the width you inserted. So, even though the width you inserted was 75%, the real (smallest) width will always be 102%, for example. The width that I used for the qualifying groups is the smallest width for groups 9 & 10 -> 106% (it's actually a little bit more). If you try to reduce the width of this table you will see that you can't (on the Standard skin). All the other qualifying group tables are aligned according to this one. With these widths, the tables are aligned in all Wikipedia skins. ;) If aesthetic isn't important, then I agree that the widths should be reduced. :) DragonFire 17:25, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Table width?

message: What do you people think of putting the whole qualification in a separate article? Something like 2004 European Football Championship (Qualification).
This way, all match results and statistics, concerning qualification, could be available. It seems rather poor only to include the final qualification tables. Besides, the 2004 European Football Championship should only focus on the final tournament.
This could also be done for the World Cup or any other competition as well.
Take a look at Football World Cup 2006 and you'll see why the qualification should have its own article. DragonFire 20:09, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Qualification

message: There needs to be a decision made on this as there is a similar debate over the World Cup.
*YYYY European Football Championship or European Football Championship YYYY
**Pros
***Descriptive
***Most consistent with Football World Cup and Rugby World Cup etc.
**Cons
***Long
***Not in common use
***Could be confused with other European football championships (champions league etc.)
***Does not mention UEFA (and for this reason - not used by them often).
*UEFA Euro YYYY
**Pros
***Official name 
***Short
***In common use
**Cons
***Does not mention football
***Does not apply to pre-1964 when it was European Nations Cup
***Inconsistent with Football World Cup and Rugby World Cup etc.
*YYYY UEFA European Championship or UEFA European Championship YYYY
**Pros
***Used by UEFA -   "two years later the first European Nations' Cup, now known as the UEFA European Championship" 
**Cons
***Does not mention Football
***Not as common as Euro YYYY
***Inconsistent with Football World Cup and Rugby World Cup etc.
*UEFA European Football Championship YYYY
**Pros
*** Used by UEFA -   "The European Nations' Cup became the UEFA European Football Championship for 1968." 
*** The most descriptive, it includes both UEFA, European and Football.
**Cons
*** Could be confused with UEFA Champions League, although highly unlikely. This could be included in the article. ("Not to be confused with" or something like that.)
***Even longer
***Incosistent with other sports that do not mention their governing body in the title.
===Votes===
*YYYY European Football Championship or European Football Championship YYYY
**Ed g2s 19:10, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: The name debate

message: *YYYY European Football Championship or European Football Championship YYYY
**Ed g2s 19:10, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Votes

message: What's new with the footballs that are used in the current Euro championship? Commentators say they are hi-tech. Could someone elaborate? Nichalp
I just got back from a tournament in Hawaii where we used them. They are a real pain, at least for a goalkeeper 8-) They are even lighter than previous balls and swerve about in the air all over the place. I didn't study them carefully but several people commented on the strange panel pattern. They do feel very nice to kick.
Bob Palin 21:23, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi tech balls? 

message: When a player scores more than one goal in a match (for instance Wayne Rooney in the Croatia/England match), it is conventional to give all those scores on one line (each timing separated by a comma) rather than quoting each of them on a single line.  Hence, Rooney 45'+1', 68' .  This is the way I have always seen it in any other match report, and it is the way UEFA have reported it in their web pages as well.  Should we consider adopting this convention ourselves? -- Zaphod Beeblebrox 19:03, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen this as well I just didn't notice it wasn't used on this page.  It should be changed; if there are no objections, we should do it within the day.  Telso 20:19, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I object. Listing goals together is a good idea when compactness is essential. Listing goals separately is visually clearer, especially when those goals are separated by another scorer which makes it much easier to see in which order the goals were scored. It also draws to the attention of reader the fact that a player has scored more than one goal (and for anyone scoring twice in a European Championships - that attention is well deserved :)). Ed g2s 03:14, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not really a matter of compactness - it's a matter of aesthetics ; *every* other football report I have ever seen lists goal timings on a single line for each player.  At the moment, I think it just looks unattractive and goes against convention - the fact that someone has scored twice is easily noted by looking at the timings in the score sheet. Zaphod Beeblebrox 06:57, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it is a convention born out of necessity. Using the compact form you can almost always (provided San Marino aren't playing) fit the score sheet on one line, which is useful for TV where they have the score come up on a thin bar along the bottom. While the short version may have some aesthetic appeal to some, I feel the longer version is more visually informative, and content beats style for me. Ed g2s 15:54, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Goal timings

message: The article mentions Greece's "organisation and solid defensive play". This should probably be expanded somewhat. They played a "total" defense, one where all the players had defensive duties. In other words, even though Kapsis and the guys in the back did their job very well, Zagorakis and the rest of the midfielders were no less involved in the defense.
And at the same time, they attacked with at least half a dozen players in every counter-attack — I watched the replay of the goal against France: it was scored with no less than five Greeks in the French 16m box! They weren't an attacking team the likes of the Czechs, but they knew where to find their chance and they never failed to capitalize on them.
On related note, some more comments could be made about other teams, how the big five were all out after the quarter finals, the final team chosen by UEFA, etc. --Shallot 12:40, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final assessments 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support as per nom. Parutakupiu talk || contribs 17:55, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I'm going to go ahead and place the GA review on hold.  I believe that in some sections, it is hard to read, especially the Match officials section and the notes section under first round.  
However, and most importantly, this article lacks in-text citations.  For a good example of how to utilize in-text citations, see 1930 FIFA World Cup (which is a Good Article).  I believe most of the article is good, but these two areas need some improving before it can get to GA.  If these are fixed within the hold period, I'd pass it.  --Son 17:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are no in-text citations given within the article, and there needs to be verifiability through references in the article.  See the 1930 FIFA World Cup as an example.  When it comes to the Match officials and the notes section, it should be revised to use less space in the article.  In particular, the notes section could be condensed into a paragraph, rather than another list.  The match officials looks far to big than it needs to be.  --Son 20:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok i will sort out the citations and officials page, but the tiebreaking tools have been put in lists on all previous occasions Chaza93</font> 16:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright.  I think that will be fine.  --Son 16:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I like the changes made so far; just be sure to add a separate references section above the external links by adding .  --Son 16:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK i have added the reference list, but what do you think needs references? Chaza93</font> 17:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The tie breaking rules is the first one I can think of.  I'll go through and tag the ones needing a reference.  --Son 17:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find refences for half of these Chaza93</font> 18:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review On Hold

message: Congratulations!  This article has passed as a good article!  --Son 20:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Pass

message: Hi, I made small edit in seeding. Czech Republic was seeded in pot 1, Netherlands in pot 3. It is also in accordance with group matches home and away seedings.
--CZMajkl (talk) 16:24, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Seeding

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello. I was thinking of having this article feature a map of Portugal with soccer balls to represent the venues like in the other previous Euro tourney pages, e.g. Euro 92 or Euro 88 articles. Also nice to have the same kind of map for Euro 2008, 2012, 2016, and 2020. Any help? Thanks! Jay (talk) 00:35, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have a map. See here. – PeeJay 07:26, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standardisation with other UEFA Euro pages 

message: See Talk:UEFA European Championship/Official names Piotr Bart (talk) 12:48, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official names