Portal talk:Taiwan/Archive 1

message: 1. Portal:China is redirected to Portal:People's Republic of China, thus, we have the portal for China already.
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2. The Geography Portal pages are for the geographic entities. Having a geography portal page doesn't necessarily imply it's a nation or any type of political entity. For example, Portal:Ireland is for the island of Ireland, contains information related to both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
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3. To name the portal page for Taiwan as Portal:Republic of China is improper. Firstly, the name clearly implicates it is a nation, which causes political disputes obviously. Secondly, 
the Republic of China is not a firm concept in Geography, since the areas controlled or claimed by it have varied greatly over time, the name Portal:Republic of China will confuse readers who are interested in different periods of ROC.
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4. The name Republic of China is disputed even within Taiwan, many people consider it as a doubtful concept, and argue the range of its territory, or avoid using it due to its controversial political meanings. For example, pro-china political organizations in Taiwan usually take off the flag of ROC or all things related to ROC when they have visitors from China. Captain0 16:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ROC ≠ Taiwan. Having a separate portal for the ROC may be an option, but it is pretty impractical and meaningless, since in modern times they're in most circumstances closely associated. For readers who're interested in politics, history, etc., of the pre- and post-1945/1949 ROC, this is naturally the portal they'd go through. — Instantnood 11:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The state is the Republic of China. I don't care whether some people do that or whatever. The state is the Republic of China. It is in existence no matter what you believe. There is no "Taiwan." It is Taiwan Province, Republic of China. So stop moving it to Taiwan. The ROC should be the name. The green background is also implicating pan-green favoritism. It is not suprising that some guy named captain keeps moving it to "Taiwan." -Chiang Kai-shek 23:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Chiang, this portal is a geographic entry not a nation/state entry. An ROC entry would cause too much problems such as the use of the ROC map. ROC entry would require acknowledging the entire mainland China, and lost territories of Mongolia, northern Burma, Tuva Republic (Russia), parts of former Soviet republics in central Asia, etc as part of ROC. By the way I chose a green theme to represent an "island" theme. — Nrtm81 06:43, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The title: Taiwan vs "Republic of China"

message: Just like Portal:Ireland is for the geographic entity Ireland. The geographic range of the Republic of China has various definitions, all have some disputes. It is better to name the article with a geographically clear entity, like Taiwan, then discuss the (political) issues related to it in the article.
Captain0 08:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The UK is neither a geographical concept according to your definition. What United Kingdom means varied in different point of history. — Instantnood 11:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This portal page is for the geographic entity [[Taiwan]]