Talk:United Nations General Assembly observers

message: I looked on the official UN website and it said that all of the following countries are not members of the United Nations:
Anguilla
Aruba
Bermuda
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Cook Islands
French Polynesia
Montserrat
Netherlands Antilles
New Caledonia
Occupied Palestinian Territory
Puerto Rico
Turks and Caicos Islands
Zanzibar
My question, is why these countries are not members. I have looked and looked all over the internet and cannot figure out why!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.59.1.211 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: another reason: it's too expansive especially for SIDS; you have to pay for being a member of the UN. --Dirk | <°°> 14:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Where on the official UN site is this list located? Alinor (talk) 10:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

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message: Here  is an update of the list as of January 2010 (includes new observers admitted in 2009) including information on former designations and the UNGA resolutions for admission/change of name. Alinor (talk) 06:02, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated list 

message: If Southern Sudan succedes from Sudan will it be an observer in the UN? Spongie555 (talk) 04:55, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure It can apply for membership or observership or neither. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:26, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: South Sudan

message: Spain in the list should link to Francoist Spain rather than Spain. I do not know how to amend this. LukeSurl t c 19:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spain 

message: By whom - by the UNGA (that's what this article is about), by the international community, by the UNSG, etc. Japinderum (talk) 15:47, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  by whom? 

message: Regarding this Mor2 edit: "per resolution 43/177 , if there was a change in status please update appropriate resolution in list)" that changed "" into "Palestine".
I understand that it can be argued that the UN observer is still the PLO, whose designation changed to "Palestine" in 1988, to whom observer state status was accorded in 2012, and then its designation was changed to "State of Palestine" in 2012:
* 1988 43/177 resolution: is "without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the Palestine Liberation Organization within the United Nations system"
* 2012 67/19 resolution: is "without prejudice to the acquired rights, privileges and role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people, in accordance with the relevant resolutions and practice"
* Offical UN protocol blue book listing the Permanent Observers Missions is structured in the following way: section I member states (pages with "Permanent Missions" footer); section II non-member states has two pages - "Holy See" ("Permanent Observer Missions" footer), "State of Palestine" ("Entities" footer); section III Intergovernmental organizations (footer "Intergovernmental organizations"; etc.
*  "No amendment should be made to references to the PLO, which remains Palestinians' legal representative on the world stage"
If that's the claim of Mor2, then the text should be "Palestine Liberation Organization" from the status quo before 2012-11-29  and not a new hidden WP:EGG wikilink. Also, we list the observers, not their short designations - and even if were to list "alternative" designations there's no reason to use the 1988 instead of the 2012 one. Japinderum (talk) 12:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: See . Japinderum (talk) 07:51, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I didn't see this discussion before I reverted to "State of Palestine".  However, the point remains: the UN lists the Observer as "State of Palestine" so we should as well.  All of the above is WP:OR.  TDL (talk) 19:34, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  The question is not how the delegate is named within the UN system, but who is it. Just as before it was named Palestine and linked to Palestine Liberation Organization. --Mor2 (talk) 20:32, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, but the UN says that the delegation is the "State of Palestine".  If you have sources that say that this is simply a name for the PLO then we can change it.  But in the absence of sources, we can only assume that when they say "State of Palestine" they are referring to the State of Palestine.  TDL (talk) 01:17, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  As far as I know according to the agreements the Palestinians signed, the PLO is the only Palestinian body that is allowed to represent them, but this is a little WP:ORish so I don't mind to wait for a source on this point.--Mor2 (talk) 16:04, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt you'll find many more sources other than those listed above (but you can check in Oslo Accords). The last bullet/source above basically states the same thing "PLO, which remains Palestinians' legal representative on the world stage". Japinderum (talk) 05:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Basically, we're in the same situation as with the "Member states of ESCWA are ...., Palestine, ...." where many efforts were required to show that that "Palestine" is actually the PLO. But that was when "Palestine" was in the official "non-state observers" list. Now, if the above sources are not deemed enough we would need some deep legal analysis about who's the UN observer and I'm not aware of such source so far. Japinderum (talk) 06:02, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palestine 

message: There are two Germany, two Korea and three Vietnam. I think each set should be grouped together, e.g. the list should be ordered according to 'G', 'K', 'V' instead of 'F' ("Federal ..."), 'D' ("Democratic ..."), 'R' ("Republic ..."), etc. Japinderum (talk) 10:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  former observers order 

message: Regarding  - do we have sources for 1952 (South), 1975 (North), 1976 (Socialist) observer statuses resolutions? Or in 1976 North Vietnam changed it's name from "Democratic" to "Socialist" and retained its 1975 observer status? Japinderum (talk) 09:47, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vietnam 

message: This article deals with non-members of the UN, including observers (Holy See, Palestine), recognised non-members (Cook Islands and Niue) and refers readers to non-recognised states (i.e. overseas territories, crown colonies and dependant territories), and to territories that are not recognised.
The title is misleadingly narrow. There is no article 'UN Non-members' and if one reads the main UN Members article Member_states_of_the_United_Nations and looks at the section: Member_states_of_the_United_Nations#Observers_and_non-members#Observers_and_non-members, the user is directed to this article.
Thus, rather than adding another separate article for Non-members states, I propose the title of this article should be changed to 'Non-member states recognised by the United Nations'. No change in the content would be necessary as the current content is relevant (indeed, more relevant, to that title), and the old title would redirect here.
Amarantus (talk) 20:23, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: But we have this lengthy list of organisations that are UN observers that are not states, so I oppose such a change. Something should be done, nevertheless. --\color{Blue}\mathcal{M}\color{Blue}\vec{( e\ ,}\color{Blue}t ) = ? 13:56, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This article was not created to include non-un member states. It was specifically created to include only states and organizations with observer status. Niue and Cook Islands are not observers and should be removed.XavierGreen (talk) 15:39, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I wasn't really paying attention - Amarantus, are you trying to make this article a duplicate of List of states with limited recognition? And mesh it up with Dependent territory? Well, no need for that, really. This article is about UN observers, and what you want to add to it is covered in these two other articles. Hope this is understandable. --\color{Blue}\mathcal{M}\color{Blue}\vec{( e\ ,}\color{Blue}t ) = ? 21:01, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the title should be changed to List of Permanent Observers to the United Nations and the list should include both non-member states and inter-governmental organizations. See UN Permanent ObserversWaters.Justin (talk) 15:53, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change title to UN Non-members 

message: There is now a template for the number of non-member observer states, if anyone would be in need of such: Template:UNobs. --\color{Blue}\mathcal{M}\color{Blue}\vec{( e\ ,}\color{Blue}t ) 13:27, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Template 

message: The article originally used day-month-year format. For over two years this was the established format until Koavf arbitrarily changed it. Currently we've got a mix of dmy, mdy & ymd. I'm changing it back. Jimp 09:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date format 

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message: Why are North/South Korea and North/South Vietnam listed by their full official names whereas all other countries are just listed by their short-form names? Austria isn't listed as the "Republic of Austria". Bangladesh isn't listed as the "People's Republic of Bangladesh". Is there a valid reason for this? Genuine question. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 22:13, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's more complicated than that. Look at the example of Vietnam. Also Germany. Zerotalk 05:52, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I noticed Germany too (East and West). I noticed the "reunified" state of Vietnam on the list too. Regarding East/West Germany and North/South Vietnam, those four states no longer exist... But North/South Korea both still exist, as I speak. People still usually refer to those two countries as "North Korea" and "South Korea" respectively. Nobody uses the title "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" in common conversation. Even diplomats of the West don't necessarily always use that title. The title "Republic of Korea" is perhaps more commonly used in the West. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 19:27, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using the full names of countries