Talk:Tila Tequila/Archive 1

message: We have 2 different profile boxes, both consisting of some similar information, and does not look very good - should we not merge this into one? Tim.bounceback 22:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate Profiles

message: This article survived VfD in January 2005.  To view the votes and comments, see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Tila Nguyen — J3ff 03:26, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  VfD 

message: I have removed the following:
 * Turn Ons: Bad boys and clean cut mommy's boys not need apply!
 * Turn Offs: Pretty boys and Chris Furrh!
This is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. — J3ff 00:08, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  inappropriate 

message: The subsection about Rllmuk deals with an organization that may not be sufficiently well-known to be included in the article. The Wikipedia community welcomes newcomers, and encourages them to become Wikipedians. However, to merit inclusion in the encyclopedia proper, a subject must be notable. After a debate on whether or not Rllmuk is notable enough for Wikipedia, we found out it wasn't. We encourage you to write or improve articles on notable subjects. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rllmuk
If you were the one who shot the pic of Tila, you can actually release that image under the GFDL, or Creative Commons licencing, upload it to Wikimedia Commons, and replace the fair-use image we have on the top of the page with it. You can explain the thing with Tila and Rllmuk on the image description page, once you uploaded it--LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 22:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Rllmuk Connection

message: The info box states that she's born in Singapore, but the article text itself states that she "moved away from Vietnam where she was born."--202.73.47.130 12:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It says her family moved away from Vietname before she was born — J3ff 07:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of birth? 

message: Of all the categories this article falls under, it wasn't linked correctly and so it appeared to be listed under T rather than N in  Category:Internet celebrities. I edited the article to correct this. Then Lbmixpro reverted that edit. I just edited the article again to correct the Internet celebrities linking again. The format for listing an article about a person in a category is, in this case, Category:Internet celebrities|Nguyen, Tila. This is what my edit corrected, so please don't revert it or edit it back to the incorrect link again. Thank you. Avalyn 12:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category fix 

message: I noticed that InShaneee added a cleanup noticed stating that the article reads like an ad. Other than having "Tila" instead of "Nguyen" in the article, I don't think it reads like an ad for Tila. I written the biography with the corollary of Wikipedia:Make articles useful for readers in mind. Since Nguyen isn't a formal public figure, I wrote the article to be a little loose than others. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 02:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've mainly just got issue with some of the language choices in the article. "Continued her rebellious tomboy attitude", "went through a period of self-discovery", "jealousy had taken its toll on the group", "Tila's music career skyrocketed"...all strike me as overly-flowery language for an encyclopedia, as well as showing a bias for this person. --InShaneee 02:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've done a little work with the article. I used the "rebellious tomboy" and "Jealousy" terms to keep the article interesting. But I couldn't find a better term for the period of time between her photoshoot with Stuff and her signing with Interscope. How else can we word it? --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 02:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really sure, sorry (hence why I dropped the tag here rather than rework it myself). In the meantime, you might wanna consider using some more pronouns here (replacing some of those "Nguyen"s with "her" and "she"). --InShaneee 02:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I still don't believe this article has been fixed up enough to qualify the removal of the cleanup notice. For example, the paragraph "However, jealousy had taken its toll on the group and Nguyen fled to Queens, New York for some time. There, she returned to her previous state of partying and drugs. Once she returned to Texas, she had a three-way relationship with two other girlfriends until she decided she couldn't handle her lifestyle and she began to focus on her studies, as well as obtaining a couple of jobs" isn't really encyclopedic is it? If such loose language is to be used in this entry, it needs to be restructed to be shown from the original source. For example, "According to xxx, the group fell apart due to "jealousy", and Nguyen subsequently moved to NY..." I think this would make for a far more professional article --Nambio 03:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup notice 

message: Someone moved the Tila Nguyen page to this, Tila Tequila, without discussing it on this talk page. He claims Tila Tequila is primary usage. Does everyone agree with this? Or should we move it back to Tila Nguyen? --Nambio 22:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think she's known by both. Tila's Hotspot refers her as Nguyen. But until recently the press have referred to her as Nguyen, Especially during her modeling days. But her fame on MySpace is what's causing people to call her by her screen/stage name instead. All the magazines call her Tila Tequila now, it's easier than trying to pronounce Tee-lah Nu-weeng. A Googlefight states that Tequila is more prominent by far. I think at this point, unless things change drastically, the article should stay Tila Tequila. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 01:24, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Google trend of Tequila vs. Nguyen shows a recent spike for Tequila, but Nguyen much more stable. -- JHunterJ 20:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Nguyen, definitely. - Darwinek 21:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I also support Nguyen. Google trend supports it, and her official site is titled "The Official Tila Nguyen Website". I think we can move it back. --Nambio 02:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tila Tequila or Tila Nguyen? 

message: I have reviewed this article and decided that it meets the criteria for "good article" status.  I feel this article was very well written; despite having no prior exposure to Tila Nguyen and little interest in her brand of entertainment, I was nevertheless interested and found myself enjoying the article.  This article is well organized, and seems to follow the Wikipedia style guidelines.  The article also impresses because it adheres admirably to the standards of reference citation necessary for biographies of living persons.  The sources seem highly credible and easily verifiable.  The use of inline citations is commendable, and seems to contain no original research, and retains a very neutral point of view, appearing neither to be a fan site nor the opposite.  The bredth of this article was perfect, covering appropriate topics and avoiding unnecessary trivia.  Despite one recent incident of vandalism, which appears random rather than malicious, this article has been stable on both the talk page, having all major dispuits/discussions either resolved or abandoned for a long period of time, and in the article itself, showing no edit wars are occuring, and only positive contributions made.  I am also pleased to see not only images, but other media links available in this article.  I feel as though the media complement the text nicely.  Congratulations on a job well done to all editors involved!  I would suggest continuing improvements on this article to aim for eventual featured article status, as I believe would be possible with continued improvements and refinement.  Cheers!  Chuchunezumi 02:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was removed from the GA list by User:TheM62Manchester with no explanation. As no signifigant changes were made to the article since its listing to warrant delisting, I've restored its status --LBMixPro <Speak|on|it!> 23:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomination for good article approved

message: Is her last name pronounced Noo-yen or Noo-wen? I always thought it was the former, but I've heard some people pronounce it as Noo-wen. So which one is it? Why sigh, cutie pie? 16:28, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article about the last name Nguyen has the pronounciations, based on that it is Noo-wen, or Nu-wing, as the IPA pronounces it. --LBMixPro <Speak|on|it!>
Comment: However you pronounce it, just make sure that it's all contained within one syllable.
12:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tila's surname 

message: I've went ahead an changed the empty comments header to a biased tag. Even though the criticism has been worked into the article seamlessly. It is not in depth whatsoever. --LBMixPro <Speak|on|it!> 21:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible bias 

message: I think this article glosses over the fact that she posed for literally THOUSANDS of naked pictures and videos on her own website (no "spread eagles" or stuff like that, but some of which show clearly visible labia) some of which are still floating around on the internet. But which she has since removed from her website since becoming famous (much to the disappointment of her fans). Also, I think this should totally be at Tila Tequila now. Brjatlick 17:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who cares, really? --Karafias 18:38, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the point is that this is an article that should cover everything, and it seems like she's ignoring that that whole part of her life ever happened, when really that's what got her to the point of being famous. I wouldn't go so far as saying she was a porn star but she even did some lesbian-themed videos where she made out with other naked women and simulated (I'm guessing it was simulated) performing and receiving oral sex with other women - and yet now she is becoming a star and it's like that stuff never happened! I mean, come on. Brjatlick 01:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After thinking about it, I guess I agree.  It's notable because that's mainly how she got famous - and now she's trying to hide it, or at least pretend it never happened.  My question, however, is how you would fit this into the article?  Is there any way to confirm this actually happened now that she has deleted the evidence?  I have alot of "evidence" on my computer, but I'm not sure if that counts as a valid source. :P --Karafias 04:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gots to be someone has mentioned this in some external source. Brjatlick 04:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll have to search some of my research sources and find anything on Nguyen. The issue above only means that the modeling section needs expansion. We all know she was in Playboy, but we never focused on her marketing during her modeling years prior to MySpace. Come to think about it, many glamour models pose similar to what Brjatlick described, and Nguyen is a glamour model, right? Karafias said that her modeling is what got her famous. Do we have any reliable source which states this? I'm suprised I haven't found any yet, other than her hip-hop skill s are not up to par with others. We can't just look at a set of nude photos Tila has taken and assume that's how she became an internet celeb. Maybe we should also focus on articles about the users of MySpace; I remember reading in an interview about Nguyen's status as most popular artist on MySpace because of people who come to MySpace to find eye-candy. As Nguyen becomes for famous, the more this will come out. --LBMixPro <Speak|on|it!> 07:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I just wanted to comment that I too was rather surprised to see the term "glamour model". Considering the pictures availible on the internet a few years back, I would have expected the article to refer to her as a "nude model turned pop star". I do remember being rather surprised at finding her "new" site some time ago, and not finding any of the pictures I expected, but instead a lot of talk about an upcoming album and so on, and I do get the feeling that she's trying to "hide her dirty past", so to speak. I do not however, have any verifiable sources to refer you to (though, considering the internet's inherent volatility, I do feel that our current demands for sources feel a bit high when discussing someone/thing mainly known through the internet) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.224.197.10 (talk) 17:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Using the Way Back machine I was able to add citable sources of her website that orgininaly was created by her as a Members Only Adult pornography site. i added this info to her modeling section on the article. CrazyRob926 06:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about all the naked pictures? 

message: She's 25% French, not half. It even says on her Myspace (http://myspace.com/allabouttila):
Tila "Tequila" Nguyen was born on October 24, 1981 (Year of the Rooster), in Singapore, of Vietnamese and French heritage. When Tila was one year old, her family moved to Houston, Texas. Growing up in a strict environment, Tila wanted to depart and experience the freedoms of her new land, but mostly had a troubled youth, as she went around with the least desirable peers. At age sixteen, Tila left home for New York City, but couldn't make a go of it, and returned to Houston where a lucky encounter with a magazine agent gave her the opportunity to try modeling. At nineteen, she became a successful model for men's magazines, after which she moved to Hollywood where she modeled for magazines and automobile shows. By chance, she acquired a contract to appear as a spokesmodel for Nintendo. This broadened her horizons and her appeal and she became a popular model for calendar shoots. Why sigh, cutie pie? 18:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That profile is a fan profile, not created by Tila. --LBMixPro <Speak|on|it!> 03:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the statement from the article again. It needs to be referenced there, and the above myspace page doesn't cut it- as Lbmixpro pointed out, it's not her page, it's a fan page. For all we know they're just reproducing info they found here.--Cúchullain t/c 19:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  She is French! 

message: Since when can any statement from an self proclaimed bi polar personality be trusted? She is duplicitous in the very least and a bold face deceiver in the extreme. I guess her ability to promote herself is something to be admired but where will she be in 10 years? A Pop culture afterthought. This is an Encyclopedia not a tabloid. I think this article should be deleted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rodney21a (talk • contribs) 12:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My history teacher said the same thing. ― Sturr ★彡  Refill/lol 03:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yet this article is considered one of the top 1700 articles on Wikipedia, AND considered for the Wikipedia CD-ROM release. --wL<speak·check·chill> 06:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please can you state why you consider her to be duplicitous? 89.213.8.232 18:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm only saying that it takes more than what's written above for the article to be deleted. Didn't say anything about duplicitous.  --wL<speak·check·chill> 07:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her Word 

message: I seriously believe that stating Tila's sexuality in the first sentence of the lead section is a serious violation of the Neutral Point of View policy for undue weight, as it implys that the reason for her inclusion on Wikipedia is because she is bi. As the lead guideline states, the lead section of an article is supposed to summarize the entire article, and putting the fact that she's bi, which is only mentioned in one sentence midway through the article is POV. --wL<speak·check·chill> 05:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To build on WikiLeon's comments, Wikipedia:Lead_section#Provide_an_accessible_overview states "The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article" (emphasis mine). Tequila's sexuality is far from an "important point" in the article; if she is notable for being bisexual in the real world, the article should be expanded with reliable sources to reflect that. The lead section guideline page also says "The first sentence in the lead section should be a concise definition of the topic" - why should Tequila's sexuality be mentioned in the intro sentence if she isn't notable for it? There are many readers out there who would disagree with the notion currently presented in this article that a person's sexuality, particularly if they are homosexual or bisexual, is some kind of defining characteristic no matter who they are. Extraordinary Machine 19:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, there's been no further comment here, so I've removed it. Unless somebody would like to add "heterosexual" to the lead sections of every single article on heterosexual people. Extraordinary Machine 21:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the long time before my reply. But I do think that stating that she is bisexual is an important part of her life and should be mentioned in the introduction. If you were to read her bio you will see what I mean. Just because the article does not reflect this part of her life does not mean that this is not an significant part of her life and self identity. I think that this article is actually lacking because if you read it you would think that she is famous due to her modeling career and singing and not due to MySapce which is THE reason she is famous and an enormous part of her life. -- UKPhoenix79 01:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When it comes to the intro sentence, only these things belong: Name, birthdate, birthplace, and occupation. Anything else, especially touchy subjects, would be debated. The rest can be mentioned elsewhere in the lead or article. If her sexuality is important, then include why in the right section. As far as I see it, she is not signifigant in regards to bisexuality, since there's no signifigant issue from the media, in contrast to Ellen. --wL<speak·check·chill> 08:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: That's because Ellen is a dykon. Tila is presuming a faux-lesbian, like many whose income relies on men (and women?) ogling them. Viva faux-lesbianism. 213.218.224.155 13:46, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction NPOV dispute. 

message: Shouldn't the article about her include the fact that she is Bipolar? She made a big statement about it in a video on her Stickam page which explains why sometimes she gets so hyper (her words not mine).
--Samgower1992 23:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She also claims to have Dyslexia in an entry on her MySpace blog about quantum physics. If you're going to add the bipolar thing, toss in the dyslexia thing too. ― LADY GALAXY ★彡  Refill/lol 17:36, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bipolar 

message: The name of it is Sex, according to  ― LADY GALAXY ★彡  Refill/lol 03:22, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How utterly outrageous! 213.218.224.155 13:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her new album 

message: This needs to be added to the article IMO. She has had breast implants (see above discussion) and yet it's not present in the article. There are verifiable sources above. As for the argument that we cannot consider whast SHE says to be true, then where does that end?! Funny how the self-proclaimed bi polar part is included. And who believes that? She probably heard about it in some emotionally-wrought song. 213.218.224.32 09:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There used to be an infobox with a photo of Tila in a dress at some sort of conference (or one of those conventions) and underneath it, it said "Height: 4'11"" and "Ethnicity: Vietnamese and French" and "Natural bust?: No" but for some reason it was removed, I think because there was too much controversy over these details. You could try readding it. ― LADY GALAXY ★彡  Refill/lol 15:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake breasts 

message: Dane Cook is. Look!  He just reached 2 million friends today. 75.17.15.178 23:49, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The supported reference is based on pageviews, not friendlist size. Also if there's no reliable source which states that Cook is the most popular person on MySpace as of 2007 (in that wording) then it's original research. --wL<speak·check> 06:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  She's not the most friended person on MySpace 

message: Hi, just a slight annoyance but I'll change it if no one else does. She is known as Tila Tequila yet Nguyen (birthname) is used throughout the article. This is considered disrespectful and should be addressed. Include it in the lede only as ref then it should be the article's naming convention (in this case Tequila) from then on just as Tila should not be used as it's her first name. Benjiboi 02:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nguyen is her real name, "Tequila" is a stage name or nickname. By whom is it considered "disrespectful" to use her real name? The usage here is fine.--Cúchullain t/c 06:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, per WP:Name - Names of Wikipedia articles should be optimized for readers over editors; and for a general audience over specialists. Also it should favor what most people would put in a search engine. Just as the article is named Tila Tequila and not under Nguyen. The rest of the article should reference Tequila when referring to the subject of the article. Benjiboi 10:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Welcome to Wikipedia. I don't think that's the same Tila as what we are talking about. Are they any 3rd party sources which say so? If not, it won't last long in the article. --wL<speak·check> 07:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

text: done. Benjiboi 15:04, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming convention  

message: Umm, she's been active since 2004. I know this because I became her "internet" friend on myspace in Sept of 2004. Thanks. I changed the info.
Actually, in a Time artice online, it said Tila had joined myspace somewhere in 2003... --Miraeille | Talk to me~ 20:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nah, it's been longer than 2005 or even 2003. She joined MySpace in September 2003, it says right there on her MySpace page (perhaps she covered it up for the sake of her layout for certain ones, but view source and certain layouts gives you the key). She moved out to Hollywood when she was almost nineteen, in 2000, and began modeling right after that. Soon she jumped into MySpace. A few years passed by, and she is now versatile and a hit. Trust me, I know. She's been around since I was in fifth grade, and that has been awhile. ― LADY GALAXY ★彡  Refill/lol 21:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also, it would probably be helpful to note here that she and Kaila Yu debuted right around the same time, and her infobox says 2000. I am pretty sure Tila started in 2001. ― LADY GALAXY ★彡  Refill/lol 21:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2005-present? 

message: Just saw on Entertainent Tonight that she's bisexual, willing to work with men and women. Tyler Warren  (talk/contribs)  02:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Re-read the article. She has --wL<speak·check> 21:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bisexual