Talk:Sigil

message: If sigil is derived from sigilum, surely the plural should be sigila, not sigla? Franey 14:16, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't Latin sig(i)lum a loanword from Phoenician shekel, meaning a unit of weight (12.3g), a coin of that same weight, or a wax seal that kinda looks like a coin of that same weight? --66.18.155.208 02:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Searching for google, I find almost all copies of this article using sigila; whereas there are many, many instances of sigilia on google, so I have changed the plural form in the introduction. MeaninglessSemantic (talk) 15:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're gonna depend on a preponderance of google hits to tell you "truth"?  The plural of sigillum is sigilla. 68.100.231.72 (talk) 18:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

text: Checked Google Ngram Viewer. The -ia forms are so negligible they could probably be ignored as typoes. --Euniana/Talk 11:07, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plural 

message: Does anyone actually think that coca-cola intends its logo to have a magical intent? That is what the article says. I can't imagine why they preface the accusation by saying, "in a postmodern context." How is it a postmodern context? What's postmodern about stupid ideas like magik or the logo for coca-cola (which has been around longer than postmodernism, so its intent could not have been in a postmodern context)? 
stupid ideas like magick -- how NPOV of you
I'm going to go ahead and remove the 'postmodern context' bit and try to make the article a little more encyclopedic, with a healthy skepticism so we don't appear to endorse New Age Bullshit.Maprovonsha172 19:13, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is sounds like things said by Grant Morrison, yeah, the comic writer... things that people with some relevance say, but I tried to find any reliable reference to this and so far, nothing Nanami73⚓ (talk) (contributions) 17:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coca-Cola uses sigils? 

message: This seems to me to be too heavily biased towards Morrison's thought on sigils. I'm all for Morrison, but this reads like it was drawn 90% from Pop Magic. Phil Sandifer 20:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Excessive reliance on Morrison

message: Is this really pseudoscience? I'm not sure it's making any claims towards science at all. Phil Sandifer 20:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of perspectives on sigils in magickal theory and philosophy. However, this article takes all of its information from one source - Grant Morrison. It is thus biased towards that POV. Phil Sandifer 03:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pseudoscience

message: Definitely merge Sigils and Sigil (magic). They deal with exactly the same subject, and we shouldn't have articles named with a plural like that anyway, when the singular will do just fine! Fuzzypeg☻ 09:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; I don't think you even needed to put that one up for a vote because the redundancy is so obvious. Matt Gies 19:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was done a while back. MeaninglessSemantic (Talk) 18:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Hey, guys. I killed all that video game trivia. It really isn't neccessary to discuss every time the word sigil is used as a magical artifact in a video game. In fact, I think it kind of trivializes the idea of sigil magick. Feel free to revert it if you want it back, but I think the article would be a lot more, well, credible and concise without that. I mean, Sigil Magick is some pretty serious stuff. We don't have references to every video game a gun has appeared in for the wikipedia article on guns, do we?
Maybe I'm talking out my ass, though. Can we check the article gun to see if they list out every reference to a gun in pop culture, particularly sci-fi laser guns?
:Agreed.  MeaninglessSemantic (Talk) 18:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: As sigils are PRIMARILY a form of chaos magic, not mentioning modern uses gives an inaccurate idea of what sigils are about. Chaos magic has the process of sigilization in much greater depth than it is in on this article, but my edits only added information while not duplicating very much. -Meaningless Semantic
:It would be more correct to say that chaos magic primarily uses sigils, a magical device spanning hundreds of years and encompassing numerous cultures. Chaos magic is a mere thirty years old; discussing it at nearly equal length as the rest of the history gives a misleading impression of its importance. Feezo (Talk) 20:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would concur with Feezo, and would add that while Chaos Magic has added some key innovations, much of its theory regarding sigils seems the same as traditional usage but with a few changes in terminology. Have a read of the sections of Agrippa dealing with signs and their construction and you'll see what I mean. Fuzzypeg☻ 06:43, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is paradigm piracy, a hallmark of Chaos Magic. I disagree with the assertion that chaos magic uses primarily sigils, as it's not quite that cut and dry. I don't think generalizations are going to help us here, so maybe we should try to come to an information consensus. Arcane/occult/magic signs and symbols have always been part of mysticism/spirituality (or whatever you would like to call it), even before Alchemy was even popular. I was thinking in terms of current trends when I posted my original addition to the talk page, but I agree that this is definitely a somewhat biased article at the moment. I agree with you, Feezo, in that I don't see any need to duplicate the chaos magic article in this one; I was just trying to add some useful information to make this article a nice summary that gives the reader a quick introduction to what a sigil is. I've actually been cleaning up this article for a while, a number of the anonymous edits were me and I was the one who merged Sigils and Sigil_(magic) a few months back in an attempt at cleaning it up. MeaninglessSemantic (Talk) 18:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern use

message: Most of this article appears uncited. I'm takking it as such, and hopefully someone can come up with valid references that meet WP:RS. If not, i'll start peppering the article with little citation needed marks in a few days, and eventually unsourced material will be removed so that we can build a halfway decent article on this. Firestorm (talk) 20:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Am I the only one that doesn't like looking at a sigil that I didn't make and that has a purpose unknown to me? I really wonder what that sigil in the picture as made to do. I realize most of you who read this will think I'm crazy for even worrying about something like this, but that doesn't bother me. Does anyone know what the sigil on this page was created to do?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.2.61.160 (talk) 08:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird Paranoia 

message: Can someone familiar with the sources please edit the Sigil_(magic)#Historical_uses section to add some dates. Approximations or even centuries would be quite helpful, thanks.   Bricaniwi (talk) 14:14, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical uses section needs dates 

message: Although ancient Hebrew has the word 'Segula' (meaning something like 'special reserve'), there is no record of it ever being used in this context (meaning 'magical charm') prior to medieval times. So it's more likely that the new Hebrew meaning was influenced by the Latin.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.167.106 (talk) 20:37, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hebrew Influence 

message: There are Sigil (computer programming) and Sigil and they should be mentioned in Sigil (magic) as a different meaning. Sorry, don't know how to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pavel Senatorov (talk • contribs) 06:47, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: . I used , but there are a bunch of “you might be looking for this article” type templates. —67.14.236.50 (talk) 23:15, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sigil (computer programming)]] and [[Sigil]] 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: * music bands
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* state usage (notes, flags, seals, etc)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4115:CDBC:80D:B158:EB21:B82E (talk) 17:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  make paragraph: modern usage