Talk:Stochastic

message: The only reference cited to Iannis Xenakis as being the pioneer in stochastic music generation is a book by himself and a link to his Wikipedia page. Unless a third-party reference can be cited, the information should be deleted, according to the Wikipedia Verifiability policy (Wikipedia:Verifiability) --Armando Serrano 16:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References needed 

message: Stochastic means unknowable not random. 
If say we have an asteroid, then its movments in orbits over a long period is stochastic. At a fundemental level we cannot measure the position of the asteroid well enough to make acurate long term predictions, however the asteroid was always going to go where it has gone, its movments are not random but stochastic.
The decay of an atomic nucleus is random according to modern physics.
I think this is correct at least in physics and maths.
--Jirate 19:59, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In mathematics it's usually taken to be synonymous with random.  But the phrase random variable is used far more often than stochastic variable and stochastic process is used more often than random process.  There is also the related question of whether probabilities should be assigned only to things that are random, according to their relative frequencies of occurrence, or to things that are uncertain according to how strongly the evidence supports them.  This is central to the Bayesian-versus-frequentist controversy in statistical inference. Michael Hardy 21:31, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: So? Etymology is not the same as meaning. That Merriam-webster entry starts "1:RANDOM." Qwfp (talk) 14:59, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning 

message: >by either the previous state of the environment.
Shouldn't there be an "or" phrase to explain the "either"?
-I think it means "by either the previous state or the environment". If this is wrong, plrease revert-Akshayaj 18:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  either...? 

message: I dont know about the past, but currently, is this article a disambiguation page? Form a rough scan of it, it seems to be an encyclopedia article, and not a disabiguation. If I am wrong, by all means, please explain. Otherwise, I make a motion to remove the disambiguation label at teh bottom.--Vox Causa 15:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Second. This page is showing up at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links, but it would not be possible to follow the normal procedure (see that page) by changing links to this page to link directly to the appropriate articles; it's not clear, from this page, what one would link to in each case. For an example of a page that *does* offer pages to link to when cleaning up such links (a page I happen to have adopted), see Swedish. --Tkynerd 01:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have proposed this page to be split. Read more under Proposed Split below. HymylyT@C 20:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation

message: I think there is a difference between 'Stochastic' and 'Non-deterministic'. I read something about a 'Stochastic and Non-deterministic' calculus and a 'Stochastic and Deterministic' calculus. --hzmonte 27 January 2007
Actually, everything is stochastic that has an uncountable measure because of Heisenburg's Uncertainty Principle, i.e. everything is unknowable if its measurement is a continuum, because it cannot be known precisely. However, it can be assigned a probability distribution, which itself is unknowable and hence stochastic. Localchurch (talk) 17:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stochastic vs Non-deterministic 

message: there should be something mentioned about stochastic events in developmental biology. this is about the random chances or unseen factors that affect the phenotype of organisms with the same genotype in the same environment....130.102.42.97 00:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: stochastic events in biology

message: I'm really not sure Cancer is a good example of stochastic effects in medicine. I believe cancer as an outcome of radiation exposure may well be but surely there are too many enviromental and biological influences on cancer development for it to be stochastic. Lady of the dead (talk) 16:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medicine 

message: I would really suggest an inclusion about the use of stochastic physics processes in climate modelling, including seasonal to decadal to centennial timescales.
Weatherlands (talk) 09:39, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climatology 

message: stochastic terrorism
[stuh-kas-tik ter-uh-riz-uh m]
-noun-
the public demonization of a person or group resulting in the incitement of a violent act, which is statistically probable but whose specifics cannot be predicted:
The lone-wolf attack was apparently influenced by the rhetoric of stochastic terrorism.
Must read articles: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/01/10/934890/-Stochastic-Terrorism:-Triggering-the-shooters and http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/26/999200/-Glenn-BeckConsider-yourself-on-notice*Pictures-fixed*- . Maybe the wikipedia article could include something about stochastic Terrorism, taking examples from the linked articles.... AugustinMa (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stochastic Terrorism 

message: I am running into the term Doubly Stochastic and would like to know what this term means? See D. Lando and M. S. Nielsen 2010, J. of Financial Intermediation (Elsevier) 19: 344-372.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.252.52.7 (talk) 14:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubly Stochastic 

message: The following quote is based on a fundamental misunderstanding:
"...In usage-based linguistic theories, for example, where it is argued that competence, or langue, is based on performance, or parole,..."
Chomsky's 'competence' is a mentalistic notion - an individual's knowledge of language - 'performance' is everything else and is not necessarily indicative of 'competence'.
Saussure's 'langue' is a social notion - a snap-shot of the abstract system of language as it exists at a given point in time - a system which is shared among a community and is not the property of any single speaker. 'Parole' is language in use, and is the 'actual' from which 'langue' is abstracted.
Equating Chomsky's notions and Saussure's notions is a fundamental misunderstanding of one, or both. Chomsky's theory of language is NOT a 'useage-based' theory, and the fundamental conceptualisations of what language actually _is_ in Chomsky's theory on one hand, and theories which take language use into account on the other, are not even the same thing.
See (for example):
Chomsky, N. (1965). Aspects of the theory of syntax. Cambridge, Massachusetts: Massachusetts Institute of Technology. pp. 3ff.
de Saussure, F. (1983). Course in general linguistics (R. Harris, Trans.). London: Duckworth. pp. 13ff.
115.128.17.79 (talk) 08:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  on language 

message: See: Markov chain Monte Carlo  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jim.Callahan,Orlando (talk • contribs) 21:01, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modeling: [[Markov chain Monte Carlo]] (MCMC) 

message: See: Agent-based model Jim.Callahan,Orlando (talk) 21:03, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modeling: [[Agent-based model]] 

message: Jim.Callahan,Orlando (talk) 21:06, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Artificial Intelligence be a subtopic under computer science? 

message: Substituted at 20:15, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Might Wikipedians add a section on "Stochastic Terrorism" as that word is being used to analyze and explain Donald J. Trump's odd remarks about 2nd Amendment People doing something about Hillary R. Clinton... It would be appreciated.  
Emyth (talk) 23:27, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm trying to figure out whether the term "Stochastic Terrorism" is well-documented enough, and furthermore whether other names have been suggested to define the same thing. I'll be working on this over the next days and weeks. So far the only source I can find is http://stochasticterrorism.blogspot.ca/ which, though hosted on a blogging service, consists simply of one entry defining, possibly coining, the term in extreme detail via essay. I could use help on this, contact me via User_talk:Harlequence or in this subsection if you have more sources, information, or general desire to contribute. Harlequence (talk) 19:32, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Alas, this may be too early in the nascence of the use of this term...and thus go against the Wikipedian ethos of mere description of knowledge... That would be a shame... I, as a professor of Literacy at a public university need references to the concept and responsible discussion of the term...particularly if it is New and being found Useful...  I will try to collect the Mainstream Media references...(in all my spare time one week before a new semester!)  Thank you for listening and considering my request. All the best!  Emyth (talk) 12:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: 
Here is the problem. The term “Stochastic Terrorism” was coined by an earnest anonymous blogger http://stochasticterrorism.blogspot.com/ who wrote an eloquent essay without doing any social science research. Alas, journalists failed to fact-check the concept in social science, where the term “Scripted Violence” has been used for decades. Some journalists now claim the term is used in social science. Maybe on the web, but this is an internet meme that lazy journalists and scholars are now being drawn toward. The term “Stochastic Terrorism” has become popular in risk management studies and in the study of terrorism, where the idea is used to describe terrorism where the target and date are “random” and “unpredictable” and used to destabilize a government or society.  Some of us are still trying to sort this out on Wikipedia. Sigh.  See this specific stable URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scripted_Violence&oldid=868036921
-Chip Berlet, author of “Heroes Know Which Villains to Kill: How Coded Rhetoric Incites Scripted Violence,” “in Matthew Feldman and Paul Jackson (eds), Doublespeak: Rhetoric of the Far-Right Since 1945, Stuttgart: ibidem-Verlag; 2014.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chip.berlet (talk • contribs) 20:04, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Stochastic Terrorism

message: this is broken
 "Noise-Enhanced Balance Control in Patients with Diabetes and Patients with Stroke" (PDF)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.49.211 (talk) 12:55, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  broken PDF link 

message: It seems like the "stochastic process" that is mentioned all over the lede is not actually a stochastic process. Although "stochastic process" and "random process" are interchangeable (in terms of a true stochastic process), the word "stochastic" (from the Greek for guess or conjecture) is not interchangeable with "random." I think introducing stochastic processes in the lede is confusing the more general comparison and contrast between stochastic and random. So I'm not sure why "processes" are being introduced so early in the article. —TedPavlic (talk/contrib/@) 02:15, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and clarified the lede, adding the right wikification and trying to make it more clear that a stochastic process has a precise meaning (separate from "stochastic"). —TedPavlic (talk/contrib/@) 02:15, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does the lede reference stochastic processes (with no wikification to [[stochastic process]])? 

message: Re: "Enrico Fermi in 1930, when he used a random method to calculate the properties of the newly discovered neutron."
Taken literally, that says Fermi reached into a bag of "random methods" with the expectation of a calculus that would describe a newly observed phenomenon.
More correctly, Fermi used statistical mathematics to describe the behaviors he observed in the lab, what in physics would be called statistical mechanics. 
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Fermi 75.172.28.63 (talk) 03:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Fermi actually use a random process? 

message: Regarding the hatnote (dated Jan 2020) "This article may have too many section headers. Please help consolidate the article." First of all, this article is extremely useful; it's surprising how many Wikipedia articles have the word "stochastic" in the pagename; this article provides a good orientation for people unsure of the difference between "stochastic" and "random". Secondly, the section headers are reasonable, helpful, and efficient. This is kind of a "links article" that provides useful links to the articles on stochastic subjects. Yay! Please keep it this way. Thirdly, the request "Please help consolidate" is a totally clueless suggestion, and it's totally irresponsible to say such a think without a note in the Talk page to tell us what is expected. Some magic wand to wave over the article and make the entire field of stochastic studies easy for dummies to understand--this is what the hatnote expects. If a month goes by, and nobody can give a good reason to keep the hatnote, then in my opinion, any wikipedian should feel welcome to remove the hatnote. Vagabond nanoda (talk) 20:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clueless Hatnote should be removed