Talk:Solitaire

message: Shouldn't there be a list of card games for one here? 195.194.187.132 (talk) 12:55, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Was there anything wrong with searching WP to see if such an article exists? — Smjg (talk) 17:55, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Solitaire Card Games? 

message: This article is primarily about one thing: the term "solitaire" as it relates to games.
OK, so it has a general meaning in relation to games: tabletop games played by a single person.  But there isn't any real information here that relates to solitaire games in general.  It's mostly little bits about the card subgenre and specific solitaire games - information that belongs in the respective articles.
As such, this article is redundant.  Its only real purpose is to distinguish the various games that may be known as "solitaire".  This is the purpose of disambiguation pages.  Since we already have Solitaire (disambiguation), I just redirected this there.  I can't see that anything has been gained by reverting my change.
Moreover, I changed Solitaire (disambiguation) to list the more specific uses that are given here.  That has been reverted along with this.  To what benefit?  Somebody looking for meanings of "solitaire" is unlikely to be looking for an article with little information content like this one.  They are more likely to be looking for peg solitaire or patience (game) - so why not just lead them there?  Of course, they might be looking for information on solitaire games in general, but this article would need a major rewrite to fulfil that purpose.
As such, I remain inclined to cut out this middleman. — Smjg (talk) 13:13, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OTOH, this is really an article about a class of thing, and a valid link target. Disambiguation pages are not valid link targets. If there is consensus to delete this article is deleted (through an AFD discussion), then rather than redirecting to the dab page (as a WP:MALPLACED dab), the dab page should be moved here. -- JHunterJ (talk) 20:45, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no reason to redirect this page to a disambig page, so the previous redirect was in error.  I have no opinion about whether this page should be an article or a diambig page, but under no circumstances should it be redirected somewhere else. 2005 (talk) 21:07, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  But it doesn't contain any significant information beyond a dictionary definition about this class of thing as a whole, hence my point.  So it's a bit like a "bird" article that's simply "A bird is an animal with feathers" followed by a list of kinds of bird. — Smjg (talk) 22:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that Bird is not a dab. If you're saying that the base article could be expanded, like Bird has been, then I agree. -- JHunterJ (talk) 03:30, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not claiming anything about the actual Bird article here or its history - I just contrived this example to illustrate my point.  But if you can expand this article, by all means do.  Just don't pretend it's good as it is.  Meanwhile, I've marked it as a stub. — Smjg (talk) 13:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Right, if I can, I will. If you can, by all means do. Just don't pretend that I'm pretending it's good. Marking it as a stub is fine. Being a stub, needing expansion, and simply "not being good" are not reasons for deletion. See WP:DP and WP:DEMOLISH. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:31, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is really a disambiguation page 

message: :"In the USA, it may refer to any card game played by oneself"
Really? This statement seems to assume Windows operating system has had no cultural impact on the US culture. --Bxj (talk) 03:17, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  How do you mean? — Smjg (talk) 12:46, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, not sure what the individual means.  US usage influenced Windows naming of their "solitaire" game, not the other way around.  In the US, if one says "I'm playing solitaire", it is automatically assumed it's the card game.  The name "patience" is generally unheard of.  Eastcote (talk) 05:51, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  US usage 

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* Clement Wood and Gloria Goddard: The complete book of games, 1938:  Patience is any game played with playing cards or small numbered cards, in which the object is to arrange the cards, taken as they come from the shuffled deck, in some systematic order. There are excellent games of Patience for two or more players; but most of them are designed for one player, and the whole group is often called Solitaire, which properly applies to any game that one person can play alone. Many of the games of Patience, for one or more players, are favorite gambling games. (p.241)
* David Parlett: Oxford A-Z of card games, 2004:  As there are such things as competitive and interactive patiences it is more useful to apply 'patience' to any game of the arrangement type, regardless of the number of players, and solitaire to any game for one player, regardless of what type it is. (Patience(Solitaire), p.248)
* David Parlett: The Penguin book of card games, 2008:  The games called Patience in some countries and Solitaire in others, and Cabal in a few, are all slightly misnamed. By definition, a solitaire is any game for one player, though in America it applies specifically to solitaires played with cards, while in Britain it applies specifically to the game known in America as Peg Solitaire. (p.539)
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