Talk:Karluks

message: I have moved the paragraph on etymology that caused objections to this discussion page, to open it up for discussion, because this paragraph is in sharp conflict with the referenced part of the etymology section:
::"The name Karluk could be a derivative of Qara (Black) and "-lik" (people of, pertaining to), which literally means "Black folks". It is at different points of time, employed as a label contradistinctive of Sarlik, or "Yellow people". The color-label could be arbitrary, or otherwise describing physical characteristics  of two different Turkic populations of east asian (black-haired) and yellow-haired features, respectively. Many Turkic confederations, such as the Hunnish ancestors of modern Kazakhs, the Kyrgyz, and the Western Turks employed this black-yellow distinction. This adds to the obscurity regarding the Karluks' true tribal affiliation. The Karluks' indentifying with the color black is perhaps attested in the exaltation of this color-symbol in the Karakhanid state."    Barefact 06:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion on etymology 

message: Khubilai was one of Chingis khan's 8 companions. Please not confused with Great Khan Kublai who was born in 1215. When Karluks was conquered by Khubilai general, he was not born.--Enerelt (talk) 02:46, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khubila 

message: How can "home rule" be "non-autonomous"??? СЛУЖБА (talk) 00:51, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "non-autonomous home rule" 

message: According to Denis Sinor, the view that the Battle of Talas ended China's Central Asian presence is incorrect, it was after the battle that China shot itself in the foot by interfering with the Turkic Khaganate's affairs and ended China and their Turkic allies presence in the region.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ST6TRNuWmHsC&pg=PA344&dq=Indeed,+the+Talas+battle+in+75+1+in+which+the+Muslims+aided+by+the+Turkic+Karluks+stopped+the+Chinese+and+their+Turkic+allies+was+not,+as+Gibb+noted+,'+the+deathblow+to+Chinese+imperial+traditions+in+Western+Central+Asia.+Rather,+it+was+China's+meddling+in+the+murky+politics+of+the+Western+Turk+Kaghanate,+a+policy+that+contributed+to+the+latter's+destruction+and+thereby+removed+the+only+serious+opposition+the+Muslims+faced.+The+Arabs,+however,+did+not+seek+to+establish+themselves+deep+in+the+steppe.+Instead,+they+retired+to+the+ribats+(border+forts),+oasis+city-states+and+rich,+urban+trappings+of+the+Khorasanian+towns.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=8mFkU8zyJ67jsASwjYGQCQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Indeed%2C%20the%20Talas%20battle%20in%2075%201%20in%20which%20the%20Muslims%20aided%20by%20the%20Turkic%20Karluks%20stopped%20the%20Chinese%20and%20their%20Turkic%20allies%20was%20not%2C%20as%20Gibb%20noted%20%2C'%20the%20deathblow%20to%20Chinese%20imperial%20traditions%20in%20Western%20Central%20Asia.%20Rather%2C%20it%20was%20China's%20meddling%20in%20the%20murky%20politics%20of%20the%20Western%20Turk%20Kaghanate%2C%20a%20policy%20that%20contributed%20to%20the%20latter's%20destruction%20and%20thereby%20removed%20the%20only%20serious%20opposition%20the%20Muslims%20faced.%20The%20Arabs%2C%20however%2C%20did%20not%20seek%20to%20establish%20themselves%20deep%20in%20the%20steppe.%20Instead%2C%20they%20retired%20to%20the%20ribats%20(border%20forts)%2C%20oasis%20city-states%20and%20rich%2C%20urban%20trappings%20of%20the%20Khorasanian%20towns.&f=false
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Cambridge_History_of_Early_Inner_Asi.html?id=ST6TRNuWmHsC
Most of the Karluk Turks converted to Islam in the 10th century, two centuries (200 years) after the Battle of Talas.
http://books.google.com/books?id=qcPZ1k65pqkC&pg=PA230#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=uQ7k2vQlYxEC&pg=PA68#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=75FlxDhZWpwC&pg=PA68#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=imw_KFD5bsQC&pg=PA351#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=fc69BhBDjhwC&pg=PA28#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=7E8gYYcHuk8C&pg=PA84#v=onepage&q&f=false
The Karluks also fought against the Uighurs.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ST6TRNuWmHsC&pg=PA352&dq=The+Oghuz+in+Kazakhstan+and+the+Syr+Darya-Ural+river+region+faced+continuing+pressure+from+tribes+to+their+east+who+were+moving+to+join+them.+They+were+also+engaged+in+what+for+us+must+remain+ill-defined+wars+and+raids+with+their+Kimek+and+Karluk+neighbors.+The+steppe+was+in+turmoil,+a+reflection+of+the+dislocations+caused+by+the+collapse+of+the+Turk+kaghanate+and+subsequent+Karluk-Uighur+and+Kirghiz-Uighur+wars.+The+migration+of+the+tribes+which+ultimately+came+to+form+the+Oghuz+of+the+Syr+Darya+should+be+viewed+in+this+context.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FmJkU420BYPesASN4oCADg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20Oghuz%20in%20Kazakhstan%20and%20the%20Syr%20Darya-Ural%20river%20region%20faced%20continuing%20pressure%20from%20tribes%20to%20their%20east%20who%20were%20moving%20to%20join%20them.%20They%20were%20also%20engaged%20in%20what%20for%20us%20must%20remain%20ill-defined%20wars%20and%20raids%20with%20their%20Kimek%20and%20Karluk%20neighbors.%20The%20steppe%20was%20in%20turmoil%2C%20a%20reflection%20of%20the%20dislocations%20caused%20by%20the%20collapse%20of%20the%20Turk%20kaghanate%20and%20subsequent%20Karluk-Uighur%20and%20Kirghiz-Uighur%20wars.%20The%20migration%20of%20the%20tribes%20which%20ultimately%20came%20to%20form%20the%20Oghuz%20of%20the%20Syr%20Darya%20should%20be%20viewed%20in%20this%20context.&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 03:45, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Talas effects on Chinese presence in Central Asia 

message: In the article, it states that "Navakat (now Karabulak)" as one of the Karluk settlements. However, "Karabulak" is the name of several settlements in the region. Clarification is needed. Verified Cactus (talk) 19:07, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which Karabulak? 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: I'm getting deja vu here. Please explain why random and non-academic websites like like "ariaye.com" and "mundigak.com" are WP:RS as you claimed here . And please also show me the rule that says it's okay to add unsourced information. If you can't do that, then I will revert you again, and if you continue reverting after that, you will get reported. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:15, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If only you were as fast as replying as reverting. You conveniently stopped editing after that. I'm giving you today to prove they're WP:RS. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:49, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that was more than today. I've reverted it back. Feel free to participate in this talk page and achieve WP:CONSENSUS by addressing the concerns. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:32, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of non-[[WP:RS]] 

message: Do the name of the Vlach or bulaq that appears in the gesta hungarorum and the ethnonym that the Chinese gave to the Karluks have anything to do with each other?
If so, this should be talked about in the article.
​ CarpathianEnjoyer (talk) 20:54, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gelu and Romanian historic character Gelou 

message: Another user obsessed with linking the Karluks to the Hazaras without any WP:RS.  Feel free to show a WP:RS that supports your additions. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Aaaand  is adding more unsourced info . WP:NOTHERE. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: And now شارستانی is trying to censor me    , absolutely brilliant idea. HistoryofIran (talk) 01:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

text:  Regardless you should not be removing other user's comment :User:شارستانی which that is not allowed. Untamed1910 (talk) 04:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of non-[[WP:RS]] part 2