Talk:Ankara

message: "The synod of 358 was a Semi-Arian conciliabulum, presided over by Basil of Ancyra. It condemned the grosser Arian blasphemies, but set forth an equally heretical doctrine in the proposition that the Son was in all things similar to the Father, but not identical in substance."
What's up with this?  Seems very non-NPOV to me.
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message: I would like to find a street map of Ankara, I would really like to see one. 
Jorbian 8:28 Aug 11, 2005
I think I can provide you with a map, but it says they're updating it... You may want to check here to see if they're done with it. (kutukagan 00:05, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Street Map 

message: The proposed etymology of anchor for Ankyra seems to trace back as far as Pausanias, a Greek geographer of the 2nd century AD.  (The name of the city was homophonous with the Greek word for "anchor".)
::—Pausanias, Guide to Greece 1.4.5
What have Zeus and Midas to do with anchors?  Why would an inland city on a semiarid plateau be named after a maritime implement?  If the (sea-going) Galatians named it, why did they not choose a Celtic name?  If the Phrygians named their capital, would its name not be a Phrygian word?  Or even Hattian?
I would flag this as an obvious folk etymology, but I have no authority to cite.
:--Ziusudra 20:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Until 20th century many western texts called this city "Angora", which of course resembles the greek word for anchor. However the city is far older than either the greek or the galatian (celtic) presence in the region. There were Hittite artifacts recovered from the construction site of Ataturk's mauseleum and many believe that Ankara is the city which passes as "Ankuva" in Hittite records. Most likely this name or a derivative of it was hellenized as angora. At any rate it is very well known that the celts had nothing to do with the founding of the city, but it is thought that they were the original constructors of the citadel.
Balkans were named after the Turkish invasions. "Balkan" name come from the Balkan Mountains of Turkmenistan. The name is still preserved in Central Asia. Turks (Seljuks) used to give names to their newly conquered lands from Asian stepp names, rivers and mountain names. The word "Ankara" has originated from Angara River of Asia. --Huckillberry (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Some common language origins? In Finnish Angora is connected with Angora Cat (Persian Cat) and
Angora wool from rabbit cony made in Astrahan on Itil (Volga) mouth in addition to Angora or better known Karakul black lamb from Buhara Emirate. 
Ankara means transliterated Severe and Turkki (name for Turkey) is Fur Coat. Kara is (war) waggon axle or "terävä tikari" (sharp-edged dagger weapon) hidden in war club (Karahka).
Some connection in 5.000-3.000 BC in the Altai (Turan / Turania) region? Turkic tribes in the south side, Finno Ugrians on the north side. Common "urheimat" (urheimmat = bravest)? Hakassit (haka = hook, kassi = bag) are mixture of Nenentsi (Finno Ugrian) and Turkic origin in Sajan area east of Altai. Sahas (saha = saw), living north of Burjatti Mongols are mixture of Turkic, Finno Ugrian and Mongol origin. Also called Jakuutit (kuutti / kuutit = young seal /seals). All these pure incidets?
:No, there is no connection to Finno-Urgic.  Not sure what an "incidet" is, but this area was settled during the times of the Hittites, when the people of the Altai mountains had not even formed their various nations yet.HammerFilmFan (talk) 13:41, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angora / Ankara 

message: I would like to know why this picture is continually removed by anonymous posters.
It is an original picture that is not a duplicate of one already here (unlike the numerous pics of the airport) and is not a copyright violation as it is a personal photo I took and donated to Wikipedia. I will be readding it the the gallery and would appreciate it if it is not removed yet again. Teşekkürler! --Jayzel 19:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture of Kızılay

message: Whatever happened to the nice twilight view of the city that used to be the top photo? It was far better than this outdated Atakule picture- ankaran 14:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture of Ankara

message: just minor detail,
the turkish site says that ankara is between 950 and 1050 m of altidude...
88.70.4.118 19:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  hight 

message: I'm sorry, I don't know how one would fix this, but this whole article comes off like a travel brochure.Saganatsu (talk) 19:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  travel brochure 

message: The article claims that Ankara was named Ankuwash in the time of the Hittites. I suppose this name is a variant of Ankuwa. Ankuwa is currently believed to be either the village of Alişar  or possibly Eskiyapar . See also the German Wikipedia entry :de:Ankuwa.  The sources given here for Ankuwash do not mention any academic sources and I doubt them. Can anybody substantiate this claim with a more credible source? --İnfoCan (talk) 20:44, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed mention of Ankuwash due to lack of evidence. --İnfoCan (talk) 19:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's back and now sourced, but fwiw the sources are still wrong (at least in asserting an unquestioned identity)... -114.91.73.167 (talk) 09:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ankuwash? 

message: Added specific official description of place of origin of artefact  Alacahöyük:
Ceremonial standard, bronze,  Alacahöyük, second half of the third millenium BC. Height 24cm.
I ought to add the Official Guide book of the Museum of Anatolian Civilizations to the references.
--Михал Орела (talk) 10:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alacahöyük 

message: --Михал Орела (talk) 13:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publications 

message: The following text in the article is not properly supported:
Ankara has experienced a phenomenal growth since it was made Turkey's capital. It was "a small town of no importance"[7] when it was made the capital of Turkey. In 1924, the year after the government had moved there, Ankara had about 35,000 residents. By 1927 there were 44,553 residents and by 1950 the population had grown to 286,781.
The reference (currently number 7) is to the "Columbia Lippincott Gazeteer"; the latter is not included in the list of publications. On what page in what volume does the text "a small town of no importance" occur?--Михал Орела (talk) 14:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing citation 

message: This article is peppered with US and UK spelling variations, and I'd like to standardize it on one variant. So I'm taking a quick straw poll for US/UK preference. If I get no response in a few days I will rewrite it to UK spelling. Manning (talk) 01:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  straw poll for US/UK spelling conventions 

message: What was the population of Ankara in 1927: 75 000 (as in Population section) or 44,553 (as in History section) ?
Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: I don't know who this person is, but I call upon an independent logged-in Wikipedian with some credibility and responsibility for this page to take a look at recent edits. I made a number of changes to this article that I intended as improvements, including better readability. This person reverted all of them, citing the reason that external links I had removed should have stayed in place. 
I'm in no mood for a lengthy discussion with an anonymous user. Please, take a look at my edit, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ankara&oldid=322713755 , and compare it to the current article, and consider which one suits the purpose of Wikipedia best. 
uspn (talk) 10:21, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to replace the Turkish references, when you find English references to put in their place. 151.57.194.47 (talk) 10:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: English Wiki, English sources.  Unless there is some unique piece of information in a Turkish source on the this subject (pretty doubtful, Ankara has been thoroughly studied in Western literature for well over a century, we need to use RS's in the English language.HammerFilmFan (talk) 13:44, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Non-English sources are expressly permitted, though English sources are preferred. I'm OK with putting Turkish sources first then having them replaced. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:52, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  151.57.194.47 edits 

message: Several people seemed to be convinced that Ankara has a semiarid climate so I decided to revisit the weather data. The previous source, Weatherbase initially had annual precipitation data listed for Ankara. However, they have since pulled that data. Apparently they were either wrong, or needed to recalibrate the data. I've looked up BBC's annual weather data for Ankara and they do have the city's annual precipitation data. After plugging in the new numbers and then checking to see of Ankara's climate is semi-arid, it turns out that Ankara indeed has a semi-arid climate. G. Capo (talk) 15:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Explanation of changes to Ankara climate section

message: When calculated strictly with Köppen criteria and even taking into account the latest data that includes the changes in precipitation and temperatures due to global warming (which I recently added, increasing the yearly mean temp.), Ankara has a semi-arid threshold of 380.4, making the yearly precipitation of 407.9, exactly 27.5 points above the threshold. As clearly stated in Köppen criteria, the critical criteria in determining the aridness or semi-aridness of a location is the potential evapotranspiration, which is determined by this threshold method. In the case of Ankara, aridness range is 0-190.2 and semi-aridness range is 190.2-380.4. When the yearly precipitation isn't within the range of the given scale, a location strictly can not be classified as arid or semi-arid. Precipitation is the primary criteria in question. So the question isn't whether Ankara is a B (the data is clear on that issue), but whether it is a C or D. It is here where we can question to use 0 C or -3 C as the minimum. Berkserker (talk) 03:25, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Ankara is clearly outside the boundaries of a semi-arid climate

message: Part of the template looks to be left in Turkish (parameters beginning "harita" right at the top; I'm assuming it's Turkish).  Not sure what they should correspond to, but someone who knows should change or remove them. -- Shimmin Beg (talk) 21:08, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the word "harita" - which, according to Google Translate means "map" - to "logo" and "image" and it seems there is no file bearing the name "Ankara logo.gif." So I removed it. It doesn't seem to have affected the info-box overall. 08OceanBeachS.D. 21:17, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There's also a couple of "coat of arms" parameters linking to another nonexistent file, which I'll also remove.-- Shimmin Beg (talk) 21:46, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untranslated 

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message: I reverted this addition because the airport data is quite questionable—even with a elevation higher than the urban location by 60 metres and the more rural location, nothing can explain why Weatherbase's airport data averages a full 2 °C (Weatherbase rounds averages up) cooler than the city location during the day; the heat island effect isn't enough to cause such a large daytime difference. Also, Weatherbase's period of record (21 years) cannot compare with the official Turkish numbers (41 years). GotR Talk 22:31, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Weatherbase is not the Turkish government (or any gov't for that matter), so the averages it presents are not official. Only data presented by gov't agencies, or derived from them, is official. There seems to be a clear mis-understanding of this. GotR Talk 07:09, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I had seen a page of Esenboga station in the website of Turkish State Meteorological Service. Latitude, longitude, altitude and some basic stats were identical as in Weatherbase, making me conclude they are official statistics. For some reason though, I can't find that page now, so the article may stay as it is now. Once I find it, I will post it here. --Mttll (talk) 16:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Still doesn't make Weatherbase official, though. As long as you link to the Turkish site, and collapse the Airport data, I won't oppose its re-inclusion. GotR Talk 16:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate locations 

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 15:41, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Ankara]] 

message: Eh... I really don't want to get into an edit war with local nationalists, so I'll mention this here and well-meaning curators can find a way to use the information. The EB9 notes that 
:...the import of British and other European goods is considerable, although the trade is almost entirely in the hands of Armenians.
The EB11 notes that 
:...Pop. estimated at 28,000 (Moslems, 18,000; Christians, largely Roman Catholic Armenians, about 9400; Jews, 400).
despite the vilayet of Angora as a whole being closer to 80% Muslim, again pointing to substantial Armenian involvement in the city and its international economy. Seems quite notable and worth mentioning. Right now we've got the disappearance of the Armenian bishop without any mention of the major congregation he was overseeing. — LlywelynII 15:51, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Armenians

message: Do cities in Turkey have local government?  Is there an associated local government for Ankara, or are all of the districts simply governed at the provincial level?  I see there seems to be made some distinction between between city and province, but it looks like it may only be statistical.  Can this be made more clear in the article, perhaps by adding a "Government" subsection? --Criticalthinker (talk) 15:46, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Local Government 

message: What is the basis for the "urban center" population given in the opening paragraph?  Is it a population base on a spatial urban area measurement, or is the basis a set of contiguous local government districts?  More to the point, but does Turkey's national statsitics/census agency measure urban area population apart from the total given for these metropolitan municipalities? --Criticalthinker (talk) 15:30, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
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message: The article mentions Angora and Engürü as the (presumably) most recent names before Ankara, but stops short of saying when the latter became the official or otherwise established name - does anyone know?  Would be useful to add it to the etymology and names section. DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:49, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did 'Ankara' become the established name? 

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message: Servet-i-Funun had an article on the vines of Angora. https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129372/740/PFSIF9180926B003.jpg Not sure if this would be of use to the article but this is what I found
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message: i think somebody should add ankara castle and roman baths instead of the presidential palace and sogutozu district to represent the historic fabric. 46.196.85.168 (talk) 22:59, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
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