Talk:Bridei son of Beli

message: Is there any evidence to support the statement that he was:
putting himself in a position to attack the Anglian possessions which existed in the far south - Lianachan 14:19, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The evidence is deductive. His previous attacks, (unusually reported in the Irish sources) which follow a regular pattern, certainly did put him in a position to attack the anglian possessions in the far south. Direct evidence has it that he was fighting for "fighting for his grandfather's inheritance", and the only difference between the lands ruled by Bridei, and those by his grandfather, is that territory in the south had passed into (some form) of English domination. - Calgacus 14:28, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed.  But I still think that the sentence I quoted is making a large assumption with regards to Bridei's intentions.  His grandfather's inheritance could just as easily mean a Fortriu that's free of Northumbrian overlordship. Lianachan 15:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it is clear that he was already king of Fortriu by that period. The whole issue depends on how much actual control the Northumbrians had of southern Pictland. If they controlled it, then Bridei clearly invaded; if they just claimed overlordship, then Ecgfrith invaded Bridei's kingdom, not the other way around. I'll stick a "perhaps" in. - Calgacus 15:14, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool.  I'm probably not making myself very clear.  Bridei was indeed King of Fortriu by that stage, as you say, and had recently either expanded or reasserted his influence.  James Fraser suggests, in his book The Battle Of Dunnichen, that Ecgfrith may have ventured north in response to a rejection of Northumbrian overlordship of Fortriu.  In meeting him in battle, I was suggesting that Bridei was fighting for his grandfather's inheritence by trying to prevent Ecgfrith reasserting his own hold on Fortriu.  Although I agree that he could have been maneuovering into a better position to attack southwards - I don't think there's sufficient evidence to confirm that this was indeed what he was up to. Lianachan 15:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  James Fraser was influenced by the idea that Fortriu was in central Scotland. This idea has be proven to be wrong, and the view in the article is very close to Fraser's current view. - Calgacus 15:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd assumed that he meant a sort of Greater Fortriu, meaning the extent of Bridei's rule and including modern Angus/Tayside. However, I know what you mean.  Given his recent acts of aggression, if that area hadn't already been under his sway it's certainly not unlikely he would have quite fancied it. Lianachan 15:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southern Ambitions? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: MOVED.  Hadal (talk) 22:13, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Bridei III →  – Straightforward application of WP:COMMONNAME. Brocher Tam (talk) 18:51, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 18 March 2023