Talk:History of Cuba

message: An instance of plagiarism has been brought to my attention:
:Batista's rule fueled increasing popular discontent and the rise of active urban resistance groups, a fertile political environment for Castro's 26th of July Revolutionary Movement.
Compare that sentence to the following, which appears at :
:Batista's dictatorial rule fueled increasing popular discontent and the rise of many active urban and rural resistance groups, a fertile political environment for Castro's 26th of July Movement. 
Identical but for the words dictatorial, many, and rural, and Revolutionary, which were deleted. Evidently material from the US State Department was not far enough to the right for the purposes of the plagiarist-propagandist who wrote this text.
I am going to restore the original version of the sentence and give a reference.
I hope, but doubt, that the person who stole and modified this sentence is duly ashamed of himself. Shorne 22:53, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism and distortion exposed

message: User VeryVerily's intransigence and impossible behaviour have left me no option but to request mediation. People who have anything to add to my request are asked to visit Wikipedia:Requests for mediation. Shorne 11:01, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediation requested 

message: This page seems to leave out things, and some of the previous debates on this talk page don't seem to be resolved. Therefore I added the Factual Accuracy warning. You can remove it if you feel this page is factually accurate, I just put it in because I have a feeling that it isn't. For instance, the entire period of the Spanish-American War is blank. They don't even mention it. YourNickname 19:22, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Factual Accuracy

message: Since I can't imagine anyone in the context of Cuban history trying to draw a distinction between the 1895 Insurrection and the Spanish American War as separate wars, I would guess that the anonymous editor who changed Second to Third probably was considering the Ten Years' War as the Second War of Independence and either the Bolivarian efforts of the 1820s or the filibuster efforts c.1850 as the First War of Independence. Caerwine 22:19, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third War of Independence 

message: :...and civil rights legislation against discrimination was enacted ordered minimum employment quotas for Cubans.
Is it me or is it the phrase? I can't figure out what is meant here. DirkvdM 04:56, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  205.240.227.15 lingo 

message: In particular the line "Although the official line is that "The Revolution" freed the women of Cuba, even Castro supporters have to admit prejudices did not fade overnight.  Cuban women in authoritarian Cuba where superiors hold much power, still have to "fight" for respect in the workplace." should have a direct footnote as it is stated as a fact.  If no footnote is added, I'm going to assume it's POV and remove it. Vanessa kelly 03:35, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women in Cuba needs better citation 

message: A paragraph from "Race and Women":
:However, it should be noted that elected president Carlos Prio, as well as the first President in Arms of Cuba Carlos Manuel de Cespedes, kept Mulata mistresses e.g. the most beautiful Celia Touzet who gave him three children [34], [35]. In 1894 Elena González Núñez, a beautiful woman married José Maceo [36] (Estenger, 1939); José Maceo although said to be mulatto, was far darker than his brother Antonio Maceo yet Elena was “White” with blue eyes.
The claim regarding Carlos Manuel de Cespedes is unsubstantiated here or in the separate article about him. The footnoted reference for the Carlos Prio/Celia Touzet claim is a cached gossip item from what appears to be a Miami talk radio station. The Jose Maceo sentence is out of place. Is there a story that follows? Consequences? Social reaction? Otherwise, it is again simply a gossip item. Unless someone objects, I'm going to remove the paragraph. The same De Cespedes/Prio sentence appears in the Carlos Prio Socarras article. There's no discussion over there, so I'm announcing here my intention to axe it. Orestesm 04:18, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mulata Mistresses 

message: No mention in this article that when Christopher Colombus explored the island he thought it could be Cipango (european name for Japan at that time), since Colombus was looking for a short route to Asia.--tequendamia 11:59, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colombus and Cipango 

message: Three large important section of the contemporary history of Cuba is unrefenced.  Please verify your sources. 
As per: Wikipedia:Verifiability
This means that we only publish material that is verifiable with reference to reliable, published sources.
Signed: Travb 09:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: added three unref tags

message: Early history parts of this article need help.  There are paragraphs of duplicate material that need to be consolidated into single paragraphs.  In some of the later history, writing needs to be re-done in standard English--some material is still in rough English translated from the Spanish.  Thanks Hmains 18:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  early history later history 

message: This had two ferry hijackings with six executions from the first, and ? from the second.  All sources I have seen had one hijacking and three executions. -- Beardo 08:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm amazed you managed to find such a subtle piece of baloney on this page otherwise rampant with errors. I've removed it - it was certainly 1 hijack 3 executions. And the Catholic church did not openly back the Varela project. --Zleitzen 08:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2003 ferry hijackings 

message: In this section the disastrous effect of disease on the English and English Colonial (North American troops) is seemingly rarely mentioned in histories, and yet this must have been a major factor in 1763 exchange.  Will add some references once I finish a pressing project. El Jigue 12-08-06 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.65.188.149 (talk) 00:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks EJ. I mention it as a critical factor in relation to the earlier Cumberland bay episode. I haven't read anything yet about disease and the British in Havana 1762. Will look further into it.--Zleitzen 06:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd love to see some references. (Despite being a Brit in Cuba, I am almost as ignorant of this episode as the average Cuban !) -- Beardo 21:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cuba under attack

message: I cannot believe that there isn't a separate article on the Cuban War of Independence (when there is on the Ten Years War) - unless it is under another name. I wonder about starting it by copying what is here. -- Beardo 21:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cuban War of Independence

message: There are lot's of things that need work. Not enough pre-1959, too much post. 
There needs to be something about Angola (that looms large in the history of Cubans - almost the way Vietnam does for Americans - except the side Cuba supported won. There are lots of veterans wounded there. [Does anyone have statistics on Cuba's casualities]. Many Cubans first trip overseas was to Angola. (Either that or a separate article).
The section on Castro's illness is way too long, as it is covered in detail elsewhere. In the long term it will not be a main section - a footnote in the history. 
-- Beardo 21:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article overall

message: Cuba was actively involved in Africa for 25 years. Cuban Intervention in Guinea-Bissau and Angola was instrumental in ending imperialism in Africa and in the independence of Namibia. At the hight of their involvement there were 450.000 Cuban troops involved in a war against FNLA and UNITA, the latter supported by South Africa; very unique and no small feat for a little country halfway around the world. Cuba keeps the numbers of its fallen soldiers secret. Estimates go up to 10.000.
All this considered i do find it surprising that there is no mention of this in Cuba's recent history. Sundar1 11:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Battle of Cuito Cuanavale and its outcome is disputed to this day with a vast amount of sources taking opposing views. Some have great difficulty in understanding the other view is different than a defense of apartheid. For accuracy's sake I've balanced it out. Virgil61 (talk) 00:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me, and you have some good sources. Natalie (talk) 00:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cuban Involvement in Africa

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Granma 1 agosto 06.jpg

message: Well if you ask me i think cuba is a beautiful and most sightful places ever-xx  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.221.158 (talk) 20:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cuba comment 

message: This article seems fairly heavily biased towards not only Batista but also the USA. There are a lot of subjective comments which seem to to use fairly vague sources or sources of questionable authority that were published at the height of anti-communist propaganda in the USA. This isn't surprising given the amount of Cuban exiles who are quite vocal about Castro but it is disappointing to see them vandalise an article like this on Wikipedia.--Senor Freebie (talk) 02:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article cites a supporting source for this claim but does not specify a page number. It turns out that the source is partially previewable via Google books, and the support is found on page 194. Note 12 on that point in the book probably cites a further source, but that note would appear on Page 207, which is not previewable. Perhaps your local library has a copy of the book. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  bias 

message: User:Luis Napoles, I have recently reverted this large edit you made to this article with the explanation of "clean up" - and thus I wanted to take the chance here to explain my reasoning for doing so - and allow you to provide rationale for the array of alterations which took place in this single edit. In chronological order:
(1) I'm not quite sure why you removed the note that "native populations were rapidly declining"? This fact is not in dispute and could easily be sourced.
 
(2) To your deletions regarding the U.S. Foraker Amendment etc, do you dispute the factual accuracy of these notations, or are you removing them because the citation needed tag you possibly placed there was not answered?
(3) You have chosen to remove the terms of the Platt Amendment. Do you dispute that these were in fact the terms, or are you removing this because you were unable to locate a ref? The latter could easily be done.
(4) You removed the sentence stating that the Platt Amendment "gave the United States the right to intervene militarily in Cuba". Is this something that you dispute from a factual standpoint?
(5) You also removed notations that "Havana and Varadero became tourist resorts, adorned with casinos and strip-clubs." Is your removal from this that you dispute its factual accuracy, its relevance? etc
(6) You deleted the entire section on "Opposition to the Regime". Do you dispute that this is relevant to the History of Cuba, or that it is not accurate?
(7) You unilaterally removed the July 2009 POV tag on the "repression" section.
(8) You have switched the terms "liberation movements" to "communist groups". Although many of these groups prescribed to some sort of socialist/marxist/communist ideology - they also classified themselves as "liberation movements". Do you find the term in itself to be pov, even if it were used in quotations to denote that this is the way those groups described themselves?
(9) Perhaps most puzzling, you have removed the description of Joseph Mobutu as a "long-time dictator" while then declaring that Laurent-Désiré Kabila became Congo's "new dictator". Not only did you not provide a source for the latter, but you also have offered no rationale for why you then do not recognize Mobutu as a dictator? (Nearly all are unanimous on this both left and right)
(10) You have removed mention of the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale which had no fact tag or anything and merely called it a "military excursion", is it your view that this somehow provides more information to the reader?
(11) You removed all external links with recent material, except for a 1908 Catholic Encyclopedia entry on Cuba? What makes this link more valid than any of the others?
Thanks for your time, and please take your time providing a response if you'd like.   Redthoreau (talk)RT 07:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "This fact is not in dispute and could easily be sourced". Then source it. If it has been unreferenced for a while, in this case for two years, it must go.Luis Napoles (talk) 07:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Explanation of recent revert, request for comment on concerns

message: "In the 1800s, Cuban sugar plantations became the most important world producer of sugar, thanks to the expansion of slavery and a relentless focus on improving the island's sugar technology. Use of modern refining techniques was especially important because the British abolished the slave trade in 1807 and, after 1815, began forcing other countries to follow suit. Cubans were torn between the profits generated by sugar and a repugnance for slavery, which they saw as morally, politically, and racially dangerous to their society. By the end of the nineteenth century, slavery was abolished.
However, leading up to the abolition of slavery, Cuba gained great prosperity from its sugar trade. Originally, the Spanish had ordered regulations on trade with Cuba, which kept the island from becoming a dominant sugar producer. The Spanish were interested in keeping their trade routes and slave trade routes protected. Nevertheless, Cuba's vast size and abundance of natural resources made it an ideal place for becoming a booming sugar producer. When Spain opened the Cuban trade ports, it quickly became a popular place. New technology allowed a much more effective and efficient means of producing sugar. They began to use water mills, enclosed furnaces, and steam engines to produce a higher quality of sugar at a much more efficient pace than elsewhere in the Caribbean.
The boom in Cuba's sugar industry in the nineteenth century made it necessary for Cuba to improve its means of transportation. Planters needed safe and efficient ways to transport the sugar from the plantations to the ports, in order to maximize their returns. Many new roads were built, and old roads were quickly repaired. Railroads were built early and changed the way that perishable sugar cane (within one or two days after the cane is cut easily crystallizable sucrose sugar has "inverted" to turn into far less recoverable glucose and fructose sugars) is collected and allowing more rapid and effective sugar transportation. It was now possible for plantations all over this large island to have their sugar shipped quickly and easily. The prosperity seen from the boom in sugar production is a major reason that Cuban ethnicity became further enriched by new influx of Spanish migrants. Many Spaniards immigrated to Cuba, calling it a place of refuge."
The section is unsourced. Could somebody find sources for these paragraphs? Luis Napoles (talk) 09:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sugar plantations in the 1800s 

message: This is unsourced: "On 25 December 1895 three ships loaded with fighters and weapons, the Lagonda, the Almadis and the Baracoa set sail for Cuba from Fernandina Beach, Florida,  loaded with weapons and supplies that had been difficult and costly to obtain. Two of the ships were seized by US authorities in early January, who also alerted the Spanish government, but the proceedings went ahead. 
Not to be dissuaded, on 25 March Martí presented the Proclamation of Montecristi (Manifesto de Montecristi) which outlined the policy for Cuba’s war of independence:
*the war was to be waged by blacks and whites alike; 
*participation of all blacks was crucial for victory; 
*Spaniards who did not object to the war effort should be spared, 
*private rural properties should not be damaged; and 
*the revolution should bring new economic life to Cuba." Luis Napoles (talk) 09:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is copied from here.Luis Napoles (talk) 09:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proclamation of Montecristi 

message: I seek information on my great grandfather. I understand that he was a member of the nationalist forces and was exiled to the US in order to avoid arrest and execution.
Oscar Cano <canoop@surewest.net>  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.159.140.82 (talk) 18:45, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Try the reference desk. -- Trevj (talk) 11:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ramon Leocadio Bonachea 

message: I haven't tagged this -- it looks to me like an error, but it may be a misunderstanding on my part.  The article asserts, "The 1940 Constitution, which Julia E. Sweig describes as extraordinarily progressivist, was adopted by Batista administration.[70][71] The constitution denied Batista the possibility to run consecutively in the 1944 election." I am unable to find such a prohibition in the 1940 Cuban Constitution. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:03, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apparent error 

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message: Is the "Modern era" section supposed to be "recent bad things about Cuba"? It contains nothing about the reforms, nothing about the economic rebound (its GDP/capita went up from $2300 in 1998 to $6000 in 2011) and the newly-found focus on tourism. It doesn't mention at all its close relationship with Chavez's Venezuela or Cuban medical internationalism.
Now it looks like a piece of anti-Cuban propaganda. bogdan (talk) 21:45, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good suggestions. I'll add some info and refs on the Cuban economy, medical int. etc. – Michaelmas1957 (talk) 11:49, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. The Modern era section is more balanced now. – Michaelmas1957 (talk) 13:15, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Modern era" section 

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message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Cuba#Spanish_conquest_and_early_colonization
this paragraph is especially guilty. Descriptor "indian" is antiquated language which now more specifically suggests asian decent. Indigenous is more specific / accurate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Comomomo (talk • contribs) 03:11, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
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message: The section under politics has paragraphs with no citation or improper citation.   Much work is needed to clean up the citations.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eshaparvathi (talk • contribs) 18:39, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics 

message: I've just removed a small silly edit.  The text I've removed read "However, they took the haitians [sic] sugar while the haitians where [sic] fighting in war and now they have sugar in their tanks. They are to be believed 98% flamboyant."  This was between mention of the Ten Years' War and the Spanish American war.  I'm only writing here because this is my first time doing something like this, so if  really does believe there's merit to the Haitian-Cuban Sugar Crisis, they can make their case.
Entomas (talk) 11:48, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Undoing vandalism

message: It would be helpful if months were provided, so that readers could have a sense of the pace of Castro's actions. For example: dates, or at least months, should be provided for the following: "The new government of Cuba soon encountered opposition from militant groups and from the United States, which had supported Batista politically and economically.[153] Fidel Castro quickly purged political opponents from the administration. Loyalty to Castro and the revolution became the primary criterion for all appointments."Dogru144 (talk) 00:08, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Precise timeline, please

message: After seeing this image removal from the Spanish–American War article, I have added a  tag to the caption of this image which appears in the Escalation of the war section of this article. I'm not a regular uploader or maintainer of images, but perhaps some action needs to be taken on the image page or its talk page as well. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:04, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concern re image