Talk:My Chemical Romance/Archive 1

message: Death]], Rush, The Offspring, Thursday, Tool and The Used by claiming that those bands are not MCR's influences. Those are their influences, please stop it! Alex 101 03:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, I wasn't the person who first added this. Alex 101 03:41, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah... They were originally added by random IPs. Even so, they should have given a source for their info. --Kotjze 03:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I keep searching Google, and the only influences I find are these; "But Thursday isn't their only influence; reviewers have cited the Smiths, Morrissey, the Cure, and the Misfits as influences. And Way has even cited British heavy metal icons Iron Maiden as an influence." and "We draw off so many influences--Iron Maiden and the Cure, the Smiths and Misfits[...]" --Kotjze 03:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Are we all in agreement that we can use this as a reference and that uncited information can be safely removed? If so, I'm willing to unproect. — Phil Welch Are you a fan of the band Rush? 20:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Mike G, it was actualy a set of books by Irvine Walsh; I've seen it stateed many times by the band; in their books, and on the live DVD. Here is also a quote from a video documentary on them: "Mikey Way, the bassist of My Chemical Romance, used to work at Barnes And Nobles. He found a stack of books called "Ecstacy: Three Tales of a Chemical Romance". He told Gerard that if they ever formed a band, that they should name is My Chemical Romance." - SirRoss 11:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Influences

message: On Myspace, MCR was reffered to as Metal/Rock/Post-Hardcore, just for your information.
:They're largely influenced by emo bands (and other rock bands that are known for influencing emo), their fanbase is largely within the emo scene, and their sound most resembles current popular emo bands. These guys are at least partly emo. It doesn't matter if they deplore the label, there should be a reference to their emo elements. 203.208.72.234 02:55, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: FOR ANYONE TRYING TO CHANGE THE GENRE - PLEASE give a valid source.  There's someone who keeps trying to change it to post hardcore with a reference to allmusic.com, which itself labels them as pop-punk.Jaworski716 09:27, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bitching about Genre, Pt. 2

message: They're currently specified as a "punk rock" band, which, whatever your opinion of them, is completely erroneous. Pop-punk, perhaps... certainly more closely akin to Green Day than bands like NoFX or The Ramones.
:You want them listed as pop-punk because they're more similar to a generic (pop-)rock band than to two pop-punk bands? Kaaay. 3rd-gen pop-punk sounds good to me, as does post-hardcore if a little of a stretch. Same with the more generic pop-rock. They're still emo though. Slipknot can say they're not nu-metal all they want, big deal. Your music defines your genre, not that your genre's name has become an insult. --Switch 10:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because a band refers to itself as one thing, that does not mean that that's what they are. war criminals do not define themselves as such. 'emo' is not a positive term, so no woner they avoid it.  Joeyramoney 01:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punk rock? 

message: Why was the biography removed from this article? 64.142.89.105 04:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography 

message: Melodic Hardcore 
I think MCR is a PERFECT candidate for melodic hardcore.
:Not really, they aren't hardcore. And there's no wikipedia article on that, apparently. MCR sound little like Kid Dynamite. --Switch 14:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't think MCR are melodic hardcore. But in any case, there's no source, so that shouldn't be added anyway. --Switch 13:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No. Not melodic hardcore at all. As the article states, Melodic hardcore is not emo or pop-punk. It's not an emo/pop-punk crossover genre. Because if it was, it probaly wouldn't be called hardcore. Melodic hardcore is hardcore punk with an emo/pop-punk influence. It isn't a perfect genre choice because MCR aren't hardcore punk. Yes, some of their songs are agressive, but that doesn't make them hardcore. Dwnsjane2 06:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melodic Hardcore perhaps? 

message: Stop changing the genre leave it as Alternative Rock to avoid confusion
Yes I think its time to stop the debating. I'm a huge fan of My Chemical Romance, but I dont fret over what they are labelled on an internet encyclopedia. Look - everyone is going to have their own definition of emo, their own definition of punk, this will never be resolved. We need to find a suitable alternative, and alternative rock sounds okay to me.Kokiri kid 07:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you read the article on alternative rock? Because they are certainly alternative rock. --Switch 07:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, now that I read it over. I guess alternative rock's okay. Dwnsjane2 05:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

text:  What the hell is with crap like "post-hardcore alternative rock"? It's simple: they are pop punk, alternative rock, and emo (I base this off of LaunchCast). I understand that many My Chemical Romance fans have a problem with their oh-so-talented band being considered "emo", but the truth hurts. I'm sorry to say it, but "post-hardcore" doesn't exist. --emc!  ╬  18:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: "Another critcism of MCR is Gerard's physical resemblance to Bert McCracken of The Used."
Is this legit? It's been bothering me for a while now. Perhaps it just the wording.
Why is this a criticism?Kokiri kid 23:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Detractors

message: After taking a well need wikipedia break for a month, I come back and the MCR page is completely changed! Can someone explain to me why there is no band background as there was before telling the different "eras" (ok, not really eras but I think you get the point)! And why is there only a criticism section? Maybe there is some kind of logical explination that I'm not seeing. -Lindsey8417 20:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We are all very confused. People just keep editing $#!& based on absolutely nothing. --emc!  ╬  (t a l k) 04:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ?????

message: i think the criticism part of the article is rather unimprotant. Most of the criticism MCR is being givin is just crap. first of all just cuz they wear black does not mean they are "posing" to be gothic, they are not gothic, just cuz their appearal is black doesnt make them goth. blacks a color, anyone can wear it and not be goth, ur not goth just cuz u are wearing black. second, the part about "sexual realations" with the other band members is also false. i dont know about the rest of the band but i do know that Gerard and Frank are straight, anything they do with oter guys is just a "joke" and plus frank is engaged and gerard has a girlfriend, there is no "sexual/gay realations."  and lastly MCR are not becoming "sellouts" yes they are very popular now but thats no gotten to there head. STOP GIVING MCR CRAP BECAUSE THEY ARE A KICK ASS BAND AND DESERVE BETTER THEN WHAT PEOPLE ARE GIVING THEM.  - lemonxsmoothie
Agreed. Could've put it in a less intense way, but still, agreed.
^^^^ thank you!! omg finally someone agrees! yeah i could have put it in a less "intense" way, but i was so mad and i had to get someones attintion. you rock cuz you get it thank you!!
Exactly. I try to explain what you just said to people, but they just think they're 'poseur' and whatever...they also think they're gay- MCR don't deserve any criticism. They're just human, anyway. They rock. Period. 210.50.189.54 07:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: well, not many bands are criticised as much as mcr. to a lot of people, they are just a joke. Joeyramoney 02:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Green Day have their criticisms in their article (though not in a section). Simple Plan have a criticism section last I checked, same as The Used. Several other bands that are mocked in much the same manner do. --Switch 11:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: ok yeah on the DVD it does say "Gerards Mother" not "Gerards and Mikeys Mother," but yet they have the same last name. did it ever occur to you that maybe Gerard was born to the lady who was "Gerard's mother" on the DVD, hes last name still would be Way. then possibly they divorced or something soon after and then Gerards dad got remarried to another woman and had Mikey. that way Gerard and Mikey would still have the same last name but just different mothers. Now im not POSITIVE this happend but it would explain why they have the same last name yet mothers are differnt. - LemonxSmoothie
That would probably be original research so I dont think it could be included in the article but its very possible.Kokiri kid 00:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Half-Brothers? 

message: They may be emotional or have a scenester style or whatever, but I don't think they're the genre emo, as in emotively charged hardcore (bands like Rites of Spring and Embrace (US))
The settings for the music videos, haircuts of the band members, and song names, which are excessively long and obscure, a traditional characteristic of emo, definitely make it seem like they are. --74.130.206.2 21:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm pretty sure MCR aren't emo 

message: When has "This Is The Best Day Ever" and "The Jetset Life Is Gonna Kill You" ever been singles? While they are both great songs, they have never been singles...nor have "Cemetery Drive". The official singles are "Vampires", "Honey", "Headfirst for Halos", "I'm Not Okay", "Helena", and "The Ghost of You". "Venom" should also be included because it was a small radio single. But these other ones should not be included. And the video for "Vampires" was filmed way before the "Honey" video, and if I remember correctly, that was the correct order. I have made these changes to the page.--User:MJB12 17:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles 

message: This is getting rediculous. First of all LemonxSmoothie is right. Emo/post-hardcore fits My Chem perfectly. SimplexTragedy is also right. We can all respect the lable rock for My Chem if we had to result to that. Second, Kokiri Kid, I dont know what your problem is but you need to see about getting it fixed. You said to LemonxSmoothie that you two should put aside your differences and try to improve My Chem's page since you are both fans. Well honey you have yet to do that, LemonxSmoothie has, but you havent. She has suggested two very well said genres for My Chem and you have done nothing but cut down her ideas. And on top of that you said that Simplextragedy was LemonxSmoothie just because they were somewhat siding with each other, you just said that because I think you very much dislike LemonxSmoothie, for whatever reasons. This is turning into a "no i dont like your ideas just because i hate you" type dispute rather than a dispute about the genre. It has become evident that we all interpretate My Chem's sound in differnet ways, as someone said earlier, but if you are a real fan and you absolutly love My Chem. then you WILL put aside your differences with LemonxSmoothie and try to settle this so that people can come to this page and see what kind of band My Chem. really is and hopefully start listening to them. So Kokiri Kid, why dont you do me a favor and get your head out of your ass, and back up your point about "putting aside your differences for the band's sake." I am good with Emo/post-hardcore, its perfect for My Chem. - ImxSoxRad - July 3,2006
:Who cares, it's done. I give up. I seem to be the only one who actually provides substantial evidence, yes, evidence, of what their genre(s) is/are, not what I think they are. Have fun with your thumbs up your asses. --emc!  ╬  (t a l k) 04:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re:Genre 

message: The Genre is disputed. Please provide factual support as to what the genre of MCR is. --ZsinjTalk 00:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed 

message: First of all, people have provided sources that have said the My Chem is an emo band. No, they arent JUST an emo band, but they have emo elements. Stop comparing them to other "emo" bands, because there are hardly any true "emo" bands left. We werent classifying My Chem.'s genre based on what MTV says, so i dont know why you even brought it up. And whoever but "Neo-Goth" in the infobox; needs to stop, My Chem is not goth, nor anything close to goth. And here is not the place to say how much you love Gerard, or how much you want to be in they're next video or a place to but your address or phone number; its not like Gerard is going to see that or even give a crap about it. - ImxSoxRad 15:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: They Are Pop-rock/Post-Hardcore, Get Over It! 

message: To finalise it, I think that MCR are Post hardcore, Alternative rock, pop punk, however, their music contains elements of emo and metal. DavidJJJ 10:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Metal? How? Dwnsjane2 20:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard plenty of band that can be compared to them, and plenty of bands that sound like them. Just because they say they are unique, doesn't mean they are. Your so called evidence is what the band thinks of themsleves.Dwnsjane2 20:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Holy crap, shut up about it. It's done being disputed, your input is no longer required. Alternative rock, Pop-punk and Post-hardcore or whatever the hell it is. I don't agree with it, but that's what they've classified it as, so shut the hell up: seriously. --emc!  ╬  (t a l k) 21:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Their real genre

message: okay, what is with the Criticism section of this article? What purpose does that serve? Most of what the so called "criticism" My Chem. gets is nothing but rumors that little teenies make up because they for some odd reason think its funny. Most of which are false, like the statement about "relationships" between My Chem.'s members and other band members, if you knew anything about My Chem. or even The Used you would know that neither Gerard or Bert are gay/bi. There is a difference between Criticism and rumors. The criticism section should go because this is an encyclopedia that is supposed to have relevent information and not false information containing the bands member's private lives. Now if this information WAS relevent and Gerard WAS gay/bi then thats his choice to make. Just get over yourselves, not everyone is like you, everyone has the right to make a choice of being straight,gay,bi, whatever! 
Personally, it seems that this criticism was written by a bunch of haters who are a bit "jealous" because My Chem seems to be getting more popular or more publicity than whatever band they may like. 
But im just trying to make the point that this whole "criticism" thing is more like rumors and should be left out of the article. - ImxSoxRad 23:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite the merit of the rumors and criticism, they're in the article because they relate to My Chemical Romance. It's a no-brainer that rumors about a celebrity's personal life are most of the time false, however, one cannot deny the existence of such rumors, which are the only real concrete truths about the rumor: the existence of the rumor itself, and that is what this article relays to the reader; not that the rumors should be believed uncritically, but that the rumor’s truthfulness should actually be viewed critically, allowing the person reading the article to draw their own conclusions (see Wikipedia’s NPOV policy), thus noting such rumors is relevant despite the nature of the rumors. Overexposure is not the problem nor fault of Wikipedia, and criticism is a highly mentionable part of any person or group of persons in the public eye such as My Chemical Romance, and to suggest that it be removed from the article is ludicrous. --emc!  ╬  (t a l k) 00:00, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: Why is the Relationship With The Used section up at the top? I think it should be down towards the bottem because it contains information that did not happen in the beginning. I don't know, it just doesn't feel right up there at the top. Orfen 04:04, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Relationship With The Used

message: Cemetery Drive and The Jetset Life ARE NOT and NEVER WILL BE singles. They need to STOP being added under singles. "Things That Make You Go MMM" is unauthorized and will not be released - this should not be included in the article either. They have been deleted several times, DO NOT re-add them, please. --MJB12 04:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please sign your posts. Thanks. --emc!  ╬  (t a l k) 20:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Be Removed 

message: "MCR said they're not emo, so they're not"
The fact is, MCR aren't the ones to decide. The media is. 
Me? I can say I'm Spiderman - but that doesn't mean I am.
If the masses believe they're emo, then they should be noted as such. 
Now, there's a huge base of people who would call them emo. Possibly larger than their fan-base.
I believe that Emo should be officially recognised as on of their genres.
I believe that it should be noted as such, but some of the reason they are labeled emo is because of the way they dress. However, their music does not sound emo. It's more than that. Orfen 04:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More fun Emo talk

message: I believe that The Black Parade is a band and not a song for the upcoming album. I might be wrong, but I think it is a band and not a single for the Rise and Fall of My Chem (or whatever the real title is).Orfen 05:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Black Parade

message: i added that a main criticism of them is that they are seen as very generic, marketable pop-punk. seeing as many of you people will fly off the handle over the slightest thing, no matter how obvious, i would invite you to discuss it here. Joeyramoney 02:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  small addition to criticisms 

message: Wikipedia is not a fanzine, nor is it a rock-crit journal. 
There is no reason whatsoever for this band, or any other, to have a "criticism" section, especially not one that completely lacks sources/citations.
Giving you all a chance to discuss the matter, or else revise it to make it somehow "encyclopedic" before I come back in a day or two to make the necessary deletion. Bustter 02:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong. One of the main things that makes MCR notable is that a vast majority of today's youth are either strong fans or strong detractors, with relatively few people not caring much either way. Removing the Criticism section would completely remove that aspect of the band's career, reduce their notability and the relativity of this article, and give the article a POV slant. --Switch 05:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boot Criticism Section Right Out 

message: in many parts of the world there is a band called "panda" coppying MCRs music and there are a signifagant ammount of fans that believe MCR fans should be informed. if theres a section about gerard and bert than there can at least be a mention of this.    
Panda
Panda is a South American based band that is suspected of having stolen lyrics and riffs from popular american bands, the most prominent being My Chemical Romance. Others include Fall Out Boy and Green Day. Evidence of this can be seen on the anti-panda website at http://www.geocities.com/anti_pxndx/ . If the evidence on this page bothers you, please voice your opinion on the immortality project forums at http://www.theimmortalityproject.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1842
It seems too much like advertising, which is not supposed to happen on Wikipedia. Make an article about Panda instead of putting it in the bands articles. It doesn't seem to flow with the rest of the article and it just sounds like a bunch of people who can't think of their own stuff or are pirates or something. It doesn't sound like we really need to be informed of anything. I do not think there should be mention of this. Orfen 00:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Panda"  

message: This article seemsto be written by fanboys who havevery bad grammar. It's not the worste I've seen, but it does need to be cleaned up.
i agree this is the worst written article, you guys should stop argueing about whos emo and whos not and take a grammer class
:Oh, the irony! --Wildnox 16:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Can anyone re-put it, please? CD Amadeus 01:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography Removed

message: As it stands, the name of My Chemical Romance's upcoming album is not known. Until there is a verified source that releases the name of the album, please stop changing it. Yes, the album more than likely has something to do with The Black Parade. Yes, we know the album title is not "The Rise and Fall of My Chemical Romance." However, this is the title under which all information about the upcoming album is currently located. Maroonraven 17:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The New Album Title

message: Can I readd the criticisms, because most of it has sources? íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 02:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say go ahead put it back it, I have no opposition. The majority of the article has  tags so removing this part of the article, without removing the rest, due to the lack of sources would be abit biased. --Wildnox 03:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: Check out Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects for Wikiproject: My Chemical Romance! Just add your name to the list of interested users and then add User:Icelandic Hurricane/Wikipedia:WikiProject My Chemical Romance. I haven't started the page yet, but I will. Once 5 users join, I'll make the project official. Hope you join! íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 14:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, the page has been started, and there are 2 members (including me) now. So please join to make MCR articles better. íslenska hurikein #12 (samtal) 14:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WPMCR

message: I have just put this on to the Good Charlotte page and im getting really pissed off now. GET OVER THE FACT THAT THE GENRE DOESN'T MATCH YOU OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you ask me (and most people don't), genre is a personal opinion. If you wanna call a band like Simple Plan pop, and a band like Good Charlotte Pop/Punk, that is your right to do so. Just dont put it on the internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just put the genre as rock and DONT CHANGE IT PEOPLE!! if it is rock then every one is happy because that is what MCR is, rock music. The branch of rock is personal opinion BUT FOR GODS SAKE PEOPLE!!!! STOP ARGUING OVER A GENRE!!! GO OUTSIDE AND GET A LIFE!!!!!!11 ITZ FUN! I PROMISE! peace out. gEorGE144.136.34.13 06:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No reason for the caps. It's just a genre. But sub genre's are important buy I think for now we should just keep it at rock since it makes everyone happy. But yeah, genres aren't that important but they still should be listed. Orfen 20:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I can maybe see some sort of influence of a pop punk/ punk rock or a more pop feel to some of their music. As a majority I would say they don't, but there are some that might have a poppier feel to them. I think there is sort of a more pop feel to some older songs and maybe some on their newer but it's really hard to say since the definition of a genre is different for each person. Orfen 02:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Again 

message: I don't care if this section should stay or not, but as long as it stays it should be easily readable, and the 500'000 [citation needed] tags are really annoying. Isn't it possible to make a [citation needed for this section] or something like that ? Thanks 83.78.74.58 00:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, done. Orfen 20:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks :) 85.0.192.30 13:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section (again) and citations needed 

message: I think that we should change the picture and logo of MCR. Also the genre should be changed to disputed, as many people call them different things, from post hardcore to punk pop to alt rock to emo. DavidJJJ 14:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, first I don't think we should change the picture yet since they haven't released the album yet but the picture and logo need to be changed eventually. Right now the genre hasn't been edited a lot so I don't think it needs to be changed right now. But I don't think we should just put disputed, I think we should put something like just Rock or do what they did at the Panic! at the Disco article. Orfen 16:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the thing at the PATD article. Mention MCR are an alternative rock band, as no-one who actually knows what the genre is can disagree with that, and mention they are influenced by punk rock, pop punk, glam rock, post-hardcore or whatever etc. --Switch 11:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Well if you can find a better one of all of them and their new look then change it, but if we can't find one yet we should just wait.  Orfen User Talk 20:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: "Fans of the band could be considered loyal to the point of possible obsession."
Is that weaselly enough for you?  Without the weasel words, it's NPOV.  With the weasel words, it's pointless. 68.77.111.101 17:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel Words 

message: Ok, Im working on solving the genre dispute for the band HIM and wanted to also see if I could help out with this section.  I believe that Post-Hardcore is a good definition for the band seeing as similar bands like The Used. List of post-hardcore bands.  They definitely arent Emo.  Emo is stuff like Dashboard Confessional, The Juliana Theory, later Jimmy Eat World and Thursday.  Everyone has this incorrect concept of emo nowadays brought by the media's attempt to bring emo to the mainstream.  Lamentingvampire09 00:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: So so many genre disputes

message: does anyone know anything about their song, sister to sleep. i've seen some guitar tabs for it, but never heard it myself. is it unreleased or on some other album? Dizzydark 13:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is my understanding that Sister to Sleep is a song that was made for the  Freddy vs. Jason Soundtrack. I think it might of never made it on the album or something but they did play it live and I think they made the song when Matt was still in the band. This has nothing to do with their new song Sleep for The Black Parade. That's just what I have read. Orfen 15:52, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: unreleased song