Talk:2008 Taiwanese presidential election

message: I don't know why or who did it, but the Republic of China Flag should be used to represent the Republic of China, not the KMT party symbol. Will someone fix this? --24.193.80.232 00:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like it either, but it's actually the ROC emblem. Didn't you know that ROC was based on KMT?--Jerry 00:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, in some ways.  Generally speaking, if it was not for the KMT, the RoC would have never existed.  Also, about the symbol, it's called an emblem or jack.  --Liu Tao 21:02, 06 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Flag =/= Emblem of party, they are slightly different Sgt Simpson (talk) 16:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: KMT Party Symbol used instead of the Republic of China flag in article

message: Though there is some interesting info here, it is way too speculative to say what the major issues are going to be in an election over two years away.  No one could have predicted for example that recent elections would have centered around scandals of the administration, since they were only recently discovered!
The other ridiculous thing about this article is that if we were to do some prediction in an encyclopedia, the PFP _mostly likely_ won't even exist by 2008.  This is really way too speculative of an article.
I agree, this article is too speculative. Wenzi 21:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Meh, the article about the next US election was here already last year, so I don't see why there shouldn't be an article about a 2008 election in 2007. --Sumple (Talk) 23:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Prologue

message: The official style is 第十二任中華民國總統副總統選舉, there's no need to add 台灣 to the title. Huangj2 01:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  第十二任中華民國(台灣)總統副總統選舉 

message: year	blue   	green
1996	78.9 % 	21.1 %
2000	60.7 % 	39.3 %
2004	49.9 % 	50.1 %
2008	58.45 %	41.33 %
2012	       	
 – Kaihsu 16:52, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You reversed the 2004 percentages  ludahai 魯大海 14:35, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  extrapolation 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:New Party (Taiwan).png

message: The DPP has announced the changing of the pairing name from Hsieh-Su (謝蘇配) to Chong-Cheng (長昌配) (please correct my spelling). The reason for the change was because the character "Su" sounds like the word "lose (輸)" in mandarin. I have edited the article, but please correct my spelling. Thanks.  Dooga  Talk 19:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DPP pairing name 

message: With regards to changing "Hsieh-Su" to "Chang-Chang", I feel it unnecessary as it is an English article. The names of the election tickets simply articulate the 2 candidates' English last names, and since the article is in English, the Chinese homophonic superstitions of having Su Tseng-Chang's last name sound like the character for "to lose" should not apply.
Rather, it should probably be added to any "Trivia" sections as it is an interesting point to have the Chinese name of the ticket changed because of superstition.
Clygeric 21:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. It cheapens and trivilises the article - removed. John Smith's 12:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: DPP Pairing Name 

message: umm...about the opinion polling section...the polls should be listed from most recent to the earliest. nat.utoronto 15:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion Polling 

message: I have remove the above text from the article as it is completely unsourced and pov. nat.utoronto 15:56, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent POV additions 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Democratic Progressive Party of Taiwan flag.svg

message: I don't see the point of putting simplified Chinese as part of the article.
Why not put Russian for that matter?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinniereno (talk • contribs) 01:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simplifed Chinese on Header 

message: Please use "Republic of China" and "Republic of China (Taiwan)", rather than "Taiwan (Republic of China)". At the moment the MOS says we use the first two where appropriate. John Smith's (talk) 16:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  MOS 

message: Is the section of "Foul language incident" really necessary? Chuang is not even a member of the DPP. I don't see any significance in the incident.--Jerrch 19:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, this election is between the DPP and the KMT, so Chuang's incident has no significance on the election. Second of all, the whole section is not cited with verifiable sources, and violates WP:NOR.--Jerrch 23:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It caused an uproar even in the DPP circles. The DPP even apologized to Ma for Chuang. Beautiful Formosa (talk) 03:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: uh, are you kidding? It's one of the biggest incidents during the election. Blueshirts (talk) 13:35, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on foul language 

message: The statement  I removed was complete nonsense. China did react negatively in the past, but that's because the DPP won. As it is even written in the article, China is expected to be pleased with the results - why would she respond negatively? These are completely opposite situations. The source cited was about what happened in 2004 - no relations with the current situation, so it also fails OR. Herunar (talk) 07:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears that you have problems understanding the real situation here. China views the Taiwan elections, or just about any situation in Taiwan, as a "domestic affair". They criticised the US in 2004 for their congratulatory message as being an interference in China's internal business as clearly stated in the source. That the Chinese wish for a KMT victory by no means shifts this position. In fact, highlighting that the Chinese criticised the US in 2004, and did not do so (so far) this time round also indirectly suggests something about the Chinese view of the election result. This is, however, not directly stated in the article, thus there is no violation of WP:OR. It is for the reader to analysis the facts for themselves.--Huaiwei (talk) 08:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can see your logic, but I agree with Herunar that the ref cited does not say anything about 2008. Drawing a connection between 2004 - when the DPP was elected - and 2008 - when the KMT is elected - is WP:OR. Ideally, a reference is needed that draws this very connection. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 10:01, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's my point. Drawing a connection between 2004 and 2008 is OR. Do the Singaporean government believe that sending a message this time will please instead of provoke China? We don't know. You may be right - China may see ANY congratulatory message as interference - but then the opposite might just as well be true, that China wouldn't care about such interference if KMT wins. We don't know, and there is nothing in that source that talks about this. Your sentence was pure OR and speculation - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place for asking questions to stimulate the readers' thinking. I'll remove again per this and the above comment. Herunar (talk) 12:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment about previous negative reaction 

message: Can someone post a citation to this other than the Taipei Times?  (i.e. I'd like a link to a news article in which Ma denies he ever had a green card.)
Roadrunner (talk) 14:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he never denied he had a green card. He denied that his green card is still valid. Stephenchou0722 (talk) 14:40, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: An anti-Ma video on YouTube said that he first denied he had a green card, then denied that it was valid. Not sure how much truth is there in that. Herunar (talk) 16:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ma denying he ever had a green card. 

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