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Talk:Louise Marie Adélaïde de Bourbon, Duchess of Orléans/Archive 1

message: This article -- and the other Bourbon & Orleans articles recently edited -- are being padded out with extraordinary redundancies & trivia about titles, genealogy & property. Some of these may be mentioned, but should not be elaborated upon -- that's what history books and novels are for. She was notable only because her son became king, her husband was a royal-cum-revolutionary, and her dad was very rich: Her actual life could easily be summed up in 2 short paragraphs. But in this article her children are listed twice, and also mentioned in the text. Ditto for her titles. I reduced the amount of space given to lists of her possessions and to her in-laws  & siblings (all of whom have their own articles or are listed under their parents). The separate sections created for a "gallery" and for a single painting of her are un-Wiki and un-encyclopedic. The more redundant/excessive details get put back in, the more that will be deleted. Please stop. And please, no use of sockpuppets. FactStraight (talk) 20:24, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Titles, genealogy & property

message: There is an error in the name. It should be Louise Marie Adélaïde de Bourbon as Penthièvre is not a family name. The last name at birth of all the members of the House of Bourbon-Toulouse-Penthièvre is de Bourbon, nothing after, but titles:  Louis-Alexandre de Bourbon, comte de Toulouse ;  Louis Jean Marie de Bourbon, duc de Penthièvre ; Louis Alexandre de Bourbon, prince de Lamballe ; Louise Marie Adélaïde de Bourbon, Mlle de Penthièvre.  So many unnecessary names, adjectives, titles are added/repeated to this & related articles that the whole Bourbon history is beginning to look like a "tarte à la crème" piled with more & more cream.  There are so many repetitions from one article to the other that, while reading or editing one of them, one has a hard time keeping track of the personage the article is about. Frania W. (talk) 22:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Frania, I encourage you to post at WT:NC(NT) about the naming of French royalty. It needs an overhaul. It is also because of this that I am compiling a genealogical list of all of the members of the House of Bourbon with articles, in order of seniority, in a subpage. If you do post at WT:NC(NT), I will follow very shortly with my comments. Charles 22:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent suggestion. FactStraight (talk) 07:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Louise Marie Adélaïde de Bourbon-Penthièvre

message: Strange these anonymous IPs with no history that pop up, replacing a former anonymous IP with no history but using same tactics as if they were clones: correct, add, remove, and always with no word of explanation. Unless the mistake is obvious, a reason should be given for change(s).  Frania W. (talk) 02:14, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: new IP without history

message: * change name!!   (Louise Marie Adélaïde de Bourbon as in french)
* stop goin on bout ip 
* add to article!!!!
:):) 86.164.90.95 (talk) 05:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: general
Talk:Emma of France

message: If a portrait of this woman exists, it would improve the article over the current picture. Asarelah (talk) 15:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Portrait Requested

message: This page will be undergoing significant changes beginning April 22, 2023, and through April 28th, 2023. This work is being done for a class project by students at Harvard University. Eliza2024 (talk) 02:51, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to the Page
Talk:Matilda of Frisia

message: Pipera (talk) Henry de France was betrothed to Matilda of Germany the daughter of Konrad II King of Germany and his wife Gisela of Swabia this was May 1033. 
He was married to a Mathide (Unknown) daughter of? they had one daughter. Bautier, R.-H. 'Anne de Kiev, reine de France, et la politique royale au XIe siècle. Etude critique de la documentation', Aspects des relations intellectuelles entre la France et la Russie, Revue des etudes slaves (Paris, 1985) t. 57, pp. 539-64, ci
The daughter was born c 1040 and died before 1044.
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thread_title: New section
Talk:Rozala of Italy

message: The date of death for Arnulf II of Flanders is given here as " (d. 988) ", in en.wiki Arnulf II, Count of Flanders however appears "  - March 30, 987 " ; fr.wiki and de.wiki present "987" too.-
Medieval Lands 2
«  m firstly ([968][604]) ARNOUL II “le Jeune” Count of Flanders, son of BAUDOUIN III joint Count of Flanders & his wife Mechtild of Saxony [Billung] ([961/62]-30 Mar 987, bur Ghent). « 
presents "987" too.
:(d. 988) => (d. 987)
Hanauma (talk) 15:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a difference of a year, but because it falls beyond March 25th, it can't be chalked off to being due to OS/NS dating. Medlands is basing this on a single annal, Annales Blandinienses, and annals aren't always the most reliable. However a second annal, Annales de Bourgogne has 987. Europäische Stammtafeln II, 5, states he died 30 March 987 (ES II, Tafel 11 verifies Rozela (Susanna) remarried Robert II abt. 1 April 1088 as Arnulf's widow). In addition to ES II, 5 & 11, and the second annal, is this by Andrzej Poppe, 'The Political Background to the Baptism of Rus': Byzantine-Russian Relations between 986-89', Dumbarton Oaks Papers, Vol. 30, (1976), p. 232, makes the marriage between Suzanna (Rozala) of Ivry, the widow of Arnulf II, as being before 1 April, 988. It seems this verifies ES and others in dating Arnulf's death to March 30, 987 and her marriage to Robert II as "probably even before the first of April 988". It would allow the traditional one year of widowhood prior to remarriage and also Robert II could not have heard of Arnulf's death for at least a week or more, given travel times. So it could easily involve months to arrange the marriage to Rosala (Susanna). Based on what we both have it seems March 30, 987 is the preferable date for Arnulf's death. Bearpatch (talk) 02:43, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of death of R.'s first husband
Talk:Leudesius

message: Sigismund of Burgundy died 524 A.D. (Gregory of Tours III.5) It stretches the imagination that he would have a daughter still alive who could marry Leudesius.
Daryl Kohlhoff (talk) 21:31, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage of Leudesius 
Talk:Guiscarda, Viscountess of Béarn

message: Hi! The article isn't very explicit when it comes to the status of Guiscarda in Béarn. Was she a Viscountess by her own right, succeeding her brother, or just a mere regent for her son? Mhmrodrigues (talk) 19:52, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guiscarda, Viscountess or Regent?
Talk:Howard Transit

message: I added Howard Transit's current logo to the article. Bushcarrot (Talk·Desk) 19:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:Emma of Provence

message: I feel sure that the link to Bertrand is incorrect. This Betrand is her great grandson (Will III & Emma - Pons & Almodis - Ray IV & C - Bertrand). However I am no expert. Someone who is should check it.
139.168.71.78 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 05:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Emma shows a birthdate of 1014 and the page for her son Pons de Toulouse shows his date of birth as 991  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaniceK361 (talk • contribs) 07:04, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  birthdates of emma and son pons 

message: I'm trying to click through the family tree, and I can't find any verification that she had a son named Bertrand. Is this correct? SocraticPrince (talk) 01:40, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bertrand? 

message: Her birth date is given as both abt 975 and abt 1007 Bb5839 (talk) 19:24, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth Dates
Talk:Bello of Carcassonne

message: rodovid.org is not a reliable source of information. No serious scholars accept claims about Arabic ancestry of Bellonids. User: Arnaurd.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.67.97 (talk) 20:37, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The identification of Bello with Borrell of Ausona needs to be proven. As the previous user says, the rodovid.org link is not reliable and lacks bibliography. Furthermore, the "Borellus Ausona" entry in rodovid shows a different list of children. --jofframes (talk) 08:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Worse than unproven, this identification is not accepted by any scholarly sources i have seen (they refer to the two as distinct men), and no such merger should take place.  I have significantly pared down the erroneous material. Agricolae (talk) 16:18, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:Jacques Lefèvre d'Étaples

message: should have a disam page, especially given the overlap with Jacob Faber. Johnbod (talk) 15:56, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jacques Lefèvre]] 

message: and was Etaples within France at the time?
article needs lots of citations and also needs to watch out for French nationalists spiking it with revisionist history and creepy little slights of hands.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.69.57.38 (talk) 21:28, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Jacques Lefevre d'Etaples actually French or something like Picard or Flemish?
Talk:William Farel

message: I find that the following statement is unsupported:
"Interesting to note that as Calvin's friend, Farel was a promoter of Lutheran ideas in his youth. Today Calvinism and Lutheranism are two complete separate denominations, but Farel's relationship with both would show they had more in common than what is shown today."
More appropriate is to discuss the ideas that Farel held (or "promoted" as this other author writes) and how they fall into the matrix of Reformation-era ideas.  Indeed, many of Calvin's ideas were said first by Farel.  In this sense, Calvin himself was not Calvinist, but "Farelian."  Farel was not the genius, nor the writer that Calvin was, so Calvin is appropriately better remembered than Farel.
Additionally, the agreements and disagreements between the Calvinist and Lutheran camps, to their very beginnings, are well-documented.  Their documentation belongs in a separate article.
Also, is there any evidence that Farel was in the Lutheran circle?  Please present it.  If such evidence exists, I think the logical conclusion is to say that Farel was a full participant in the development of ideas during the Reformation, not that Lutheranism and Calvinism once "had more in common."
I hear that a Montreal scholar is soon publishing a book on Farel.  Hopefully that publication will allow us to clear this up. 
Sierravista uva 03:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that Lutheranism as it is today is very different than what Luther actually believed. Since Luther was one of the first reformers, the ones that came along later such as Calvin and Feral were called Lutherans because they had similary views. Jehorn (talk) 19:46, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsupported

message: The town of Gap (at the time) was not in France. Who gives a toss though, shall we just overlook this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.75.50 (talk) 23:34, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  William Farel was not born in France
Talk:Marie Angélique Arnauld

message: Ok, I’m terrible at source code and my web interface is far from fully functional on the iPad. This Archbishop of Paris is referenced in a separate article:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardouin_de_Péréfixe_de_Beaumont
Most of the text of this article on Mère Angelique and Port Royal Monastery is a direct port from the old Catholic Encyclopedia article and so it’s no surprise that not all of the cross references were inserted. I will see if I can find the primary source for the quote as well. Father V (talk) 18:41, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  De Péréfixe mentioned in separate article in Wikipedia. Help. 

message: I am not sure if it is the only source, but the most widely known work of that era was by Jean Racine who was educated at Port-Royal. His Abrégé de l'histoire de Port-Royal (1664) has the quotation near the end of the book, put into the mouth of the Archbishop « qu'à la vérité elles étoient pures comme des anges, mais qu'elles étoient orgueilleuses comme des démons ; ». The wiki source on this is https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Page%3ARacine_-_Abrégé_de_l’histoire_de_Port-Royal%2C_éd._Gazier%2C_2e_éd.djvu/198 . Oddly the actual screenshot has this as pg. 172. Presumably this is because of the difference in 1st and 2nd editions. Father V (talk) 21:45, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original source for Pure as Angels, Proud as Demons
Talk:Jacob of Orléans

message: # Joseph ben Isaac Bekor Shor of Orleans 12th cent
Regards ‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 16:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldcat author listing 

message: See "Tam" in the EB9. — LlywelynII 20:34, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Alt name
Talk:Hyacinthe Loyson

message: What is this supposed to say? It makes no sense. 
"He was a Catholic priest who haCatholic Church, in 1869, after major excommunication was pronounced against him." 2600:1700:BC01:9B0:8C7A:7D97:56E1:BF7F (talk) 01:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  first paragraph
Talk:Eof

message: The article states, 
The story that Eof was a swineherd goes back at least to William of Malmesbury, writing in the twelfth century, while the obverse of the conventual seal of Evesham Abbey clearly shows stylised pigs rather than sheep [4] and [5]. The monks of the Abbey clearly thought Eof kept pigs.
Which doesn't necessarily mean that Eof lived during during the 12th century. Clarification needed. MP (talk•contribs) 12:11, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  When
Talk:Jean Fernel

message: The "subtitle" given for this work is garbled.  An image of the 1526 title-page may be seen at 
http://books.google.com/books?id=t243AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=monalosphaerium&source=web&ots=JUgMs3SLdG&sig=fanca4gBayshKeQCEv2KUVldVto&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA15,M1  .
Here (as in other citations of the work) it is described as being "in four parts" (partibus constans quatuor).   The words generalis horarij et structuram et usum are from the description of the first part-- and incidentally it is horarij, that is horarii, not "horaril".
Fernel's "Monalosphaerium" seems in fact to have been genus astrolabii, "a sort of astrolabe", but those words do not seem to have formed a part of the title.
I propose editing accordingly...
Mjhrynick (talk) 02:40, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monalosphaerium 

message: "Claremont" is a very unlikely name for a French city. I suggest this is an error (already present in the source quoted).
A better candidate would be "Clermont, Oise" (there was a college called "Jean Fernel" there). JmCor (talk) 03:50, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clermont! 

message: Fernel's wife died in Fontainebleau but he died soon afterwards in Paris where he was buried (Saint-Jacques de la Boucherie).
Market1G (talk) 23:37, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Died and buried in Paris
Talk:Imago (band)

message: How notable is this band? Can anyone provide any references at all asserting its notability? As of now, there isn't even verifiability as the only links in the article are the band's site, yahoo groups and a MySpace account. Honestly, I don't like invoking the N-word, but without any references, I'm afraid it really does apply here. Shrumster 19:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're very notable, their song "Taralets" was used as a theme song for Pitong Dalagita and the song is played frequently on the radio. --Howard the Duck 10:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're now playing at the UP fair. (don't know if this adds notability). See for yourself.Minsan lang naman sa isang taon ang fair ----Lenticel 13:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That means Giniling Festival gets to have their own article! Crap!  lol. --Howard the Duck 07:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability?

message: Isn't their first album Probably Not But Most Definitely? In either case, there is no mention of the album in the History, but there's one in the Discography. --202.81.30.16 (talk) 07:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First album: Don Romantico?
Talk:Women in the Arab world

message: Zoroastarianism is a religion which had virtually no adherence with any Arabs - even the Sabaetians who were under Persian Influence briefly. It is a non-Semetic religion originating in the North of the Iranian Plateau, and it would be much more likely that they either followed traditional Arabian/Semetic (Pagan) religions of those of their Semetic cousins in Judea, Israel, The Levant and Mesopotamia. I taken out that unsourced section (most likely written by the numerous Persian Nationalist scum marauding here). Provide proof of significant Zoroastarian adherence amongst those Arabs or keep it at what's widely known and accepted (adherence to Christianity, Judaism and Traditional Semetic beliefs. Pink Princess (talk) 15:50, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arab Zoroastarians? 

message: From the article, Women were not accorded with such legal status in other cultures, including the West, until centuries later. Thats utterly nonsense, depending on what culture one talks in specific, there was a wide range from absolute no status and rights to de facto equality (Etruscans, Spartan or Atheniean women, women of old Egypt, Celtic and German tribes, Jewish and different Arabic tribes, etc.). Great parts of this article only reflect the traditional Islamic point of view.-- 178.115.8.207 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 14:09, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women's legal status 

message: FYI, I removed  as the thrust of the navbox is sociological where this article appears to be more geographically / anthopologically oriented. ClaretAsh 11:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navbox removal 

message: You should directly state at the onset that your POV is Feminist. This will alert the reader to your bias.van Lustig (talk) 09:48, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Directly state your POV. 

message: This article is completely biased. You can see the personal opinion of the author plastered in almost each line. Hoping someone will actually correct this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.199.143.202 (talk) 14:08, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV dispute 

message: Hello, I just flagged multiple issues, inadequate lead and the lack of citations. Even though I see that this article was at least partly written as part of an educational project, sentences like "Although the Arab mentality has changed a lot the last few years,..." and many of the other statements are examples of POV and ethnocentric, biased views on this subject. - Even though it refers to many historical and geographically diverse societies, this article needs many more balanced and diverse descriptions. - I will try to work on this in the coming weeks, but anybody else who shares my criticism, is certainly welcome to join in. Munfarid1 (talk) 15:40, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article has multiple issues and is inadequate to the diversity of life in the Arab world
Talk:Auguste Laurent

message: The new edits to this article reference the work of John Wotiz (d. 2002), who argued that Kekule plagiarized the idea of the benzene ring from Auguste Laurent.  For a refutation of this assertion, please see O.B. Ramsay and A. J. Rocke, “Kekulé’s Dreams: Separating the Fiction from the Fact,” Chemistry in Britain, 20 (December 1984), 1093-94.  This refutation has been endorsed by the historian of science John Brooke (Oxford University, emeritus), in the same edited book in which Wotiz made this argument, and also by many other professional historians of chemistry.    Ajrocke (talk) 21:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kekule and Laurent
Talk:Beatmixing

message: The proper term is "Beatmatching". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.77.107.204 (talk) 18:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Beatmixing 

message: I moved the text of this page that describes beatmatching to the appropriate page. the differences were on this page they talk about how to match beats, while also talking about some issues which fall more into the mixing categorie. 
You can beat match hard acid techno and disco house but you can not mix them very well because they are different genres of music(Drn8 (talk) 18:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  moved text
Talk:Malabar District

message: 221.134.48.9 19:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

message: Wiki Raja 10:59, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Dravidian civilizations

message: QUOTE:  Wayanad Taluk in 1854 END OF QUOTE
It is not good that Indian academic creeps are allowed to write on Onine forums.  The spelling is Wynad. Not Wayanad. The error is deliberate, and needs to be corrected by Nemesis. 117.201.196.21 (talk) 06:21, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling error
Talk:WWF Women's Tag Team Championship

message: Regarding :File:WWF Women's Tag belt.jpg I made a note of what I think it says:
:"NWA World Wrestling Lady Tag Team Champion"
Does anyone agree or disagree? The order is a bit flexible, its possible you could read it as "World Lady Wrestling" instead of "World Wrestling Lady" but I figured going top>bottom is simplest.
I found a high-quality image which might help us in figuring this out: 
http://img2.shuaijiao.com/images/2014/0728/20140728084302833.jpg
I think it might actually be "Worlds" not "World" and "Wrestler" not "Wrestling" and "Champions" not "Champion" so I will make a changes reflecting that.
Also since "World Wrestler Lady Tag Team Champions" doesn't make sense, I am thinking it might actually be "World Lady Wrestler Tag Team Champions" so will also switch the order. Ranze (talk) 14:08, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Image caption

message: I happened across a gameplay video from WWE '13 uploaded 17 November 2012.  It starts out described as a "Women's Tag Team Tornado Tag Team Ladder" but notably at the 4 minute mark it shows the referee holding up 2 identical belts and at the end the announcers says "your new world tag team champions" so does that mean the title exists in this game? Ranze (talk) 14:26, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Revival in video games

message: There is a glaring lack of name for the first 2 holders of the title, only the last 2 teams have names.
I came across this this image on this pinterest supposedly copied from Facebook (although I'm not sure where).
Notably it does not look as if the "Beauty + Talent" over "Velvet & Victoria" caption was fan-made. The orange lettering appears faded in the same way as the yellow background and the V for Velvet is clearly cut off, which you would not expect if it was fan-made.
Also supporting this being official is a similar image appearing in this gallery.
AH check out this magazine cover on E-Bay, that pretty much confirms it, they're published on a cover as "Beauty + Talent".
This makes me think that this name was actually used in a magazine in some official capacity to represent the team.
Since we lack a name for the inaugural holders, do you think this would serve as reason to name the team "Beauty & Talent" ?
Sadly I am not aware of anything like this for Velvet and Desiree. Presumably the retaining Velvet would keep her "Beauty" title but I am not sure if Desiree would inherent the "Talent" title from Victoria. Ranze (talk) 14:46, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: "Beauty & Talent" wasn't their team name. They didn't have one. A lot of teams prior to the mid 80's did not have team names. If you notice, you posted 3 different shots of the same exact magazine cover. All it was is a caption for the cover, which plenty of wrestling mags did back in the day. Nothing more than that. OldSkool01 (talk) 12:50, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Beauty + Talent