Talk:Hurricane John (1994)

message: NOAA says this is in fact the case . They make no mention of Pancho. The disturbance stages are included in that storm's best track, which may be why there is a discrepancy. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 01:35, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longest Lived Hurricane 

message: Some kind of stucture...maybe a separate "records" section, I dunno. Jdorje 02:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's lacking any sources or an external links section! Jdorje 19:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Todo

message: The most interesting part is the ACE of this storm. It was a long lived cat 5 hurricane. Maybe the hurricane with highest ACE. juan andrés 21:06, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that John was both a hurricane and a typhoon.  Note also that the Nancy ACE is overinflated because it's taken from the advisory data (Nancy was credited with 215mph winds).  So probably John ranks 2nd. — jdorje (talk) 03:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: San Ciriaco had an ACE higher than 73, which, according to the above tabulation, would be larger than John. 141.161.119.206 (talk) 18:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ACE

message: Call me a bit biased, but I'm upping this one to A class since it's under consideration for a FAC. —CuiviénenT|C|@</font> on Thursday, 1 June 2006 at 20:13 UTC'''
: No problem, as I was coming to do that myself. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 02:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Got another one! Great job Cuivienen. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A Class

message: There is a variable with Ophelia's record: the disturbance stage is included in the best track. I don't know if that would reduce the distance it is estimated to have traveled because I don't know if the disturbance stage was included in the measurement but it could be an X-factor with regards to that record. -- §HurricaneERIC§ archive 23:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the best data we have gives Ophelia an edge on John. If we could dig up a report on Ophelia, we could use that to check the data. —Cuiviénen 03:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ophelia 

message: WPac storm history is really lacking. Not a single use of the JTWC ATCR - it's important because the JTWC failed miserably operationally with John (see 1994 Pacific typhoon season#Typhoon John) – Chacor 14:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a separate section on forecasting difficulties. I don't feel it really belongs in the storm history itself, and the storm history in the WPac was uneventful to say the least. —Cuiviénen 03:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WPac storm history 

message: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/storm_wallets/epacific/ep1994/john/public/tcp2309z.gif
I know that this is operational data, but should we take it into account? ABC paulista (talk) 21:47, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you have provided a source, I believe this should be the minimum pressure for John and should be clearly stated in the article and its infobox. Just check with other users just in case they have something to say. Typhoon2013 (talk) 22:14, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not in the best track for some reason or another so I'd be hesitant to include it. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 01:56, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It should at least be given a mention in the text of the article.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:20, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

text: I'm going to add that in, with a source. Also if that's the case, and to note, then John would be the strongest storm in the 1994 PHS since Gilma had only 920 hPa. Typhoon2013 (talk) 00:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

text:   This might be a problem and I might rv my own edit. If John's pressure was 910mbar estimated (in that source), then therefore it would be the strongest TC in the CPac basin, beating Ioke by 5mbar. We need to do some rewording in the "Records" section. Typhoon2013 (talk) 01:01, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A record like this needs to be verified with the NHC/CPHC since it's not explicitly in HURDAT. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 01:44, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

text:  Sorry I accidentally pinged the wrong person. Anyways, what should we do now? Do we just leave it? Should we discuss this with other users? Typhoon2013 (talk) 01:49, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nothing should be done with the article for now. Next step would be to email the NHC/CPHC to verify if the pressure is reasonable or if there's a reason it's excluded from HURDAT. I'll ask around at the NHC and see if anyone knows what's up, though. I suspect that it's simply all non-observed pressures being excluded but we have to be certain. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 01:52, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:    In this case, would be wiser to ask CPHC directly about this source, since that the cited advisory came from Honolulu, and like I and  showed for Cyclonebiskit, there are many discrepancies between NHC and CPHC best track anda data. ABC paulista (talk) 02:58, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah. Try contact them. The problem is that when I contact some agencies like BoM and PAGASA, they don't reply/message you back. :(  Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:09, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

text: To be honest, I don't trust HURDAT when talking about CPAC data. That's why I prefer to check with CPHC first before doing any judgement. ABC paulista (talk) 20:47, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  John's lowest pressure 

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message: In this kind of Infobox, it is only meant to show the winds when the system attained its peak intensity, and in John's case, its peak intensity was under CPHC's area of responsability, not JMA's one. Also, it would be confusing for the reader to understand that both 1-min and 10-min are reflective to different basins and different since we also apply unnofficial JTWC winds to non-NWS agencies' areas of resopnsabilities. That's why in all mutiple-basin storms, we only add the peak intensity of them, regadless the basin where it achieved it. So infoboxes about storms like Gay, Paka, Oliwa, Dora, Leon–Eline and others don't include winds and pressure of the other basins that they travelled. ABC paulista (talk) 16:08, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, didn't realize that. Thanks for pointing that out :P --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 16:21, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox winds 

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message: I am reviewing this 2006 FA as part of the FA sweeps to determine of older FAs still meet WP:WIAFA.
* A wikilinking review is needed (eg Category 5).
* One independent news report, and all the other sources weather sources?  Odd considering the significance described in the lead.  Not mentioned in any other general news or books?  Staff Writer (August 26, 1994). "Island braces for Hurricane John". Gainesville Sun. p. 4. Retrieved December 12, 2009.  All other sources are government weather-related ?
* Citations should be checked for completeness, eg  "Cold and Warm Episodes by Season". August 4, 2014. Retrieved August 11, 2014 all citations need a publisher.
* Update (still true? as of when ? The sources are 1995 and 2004.) "Hurricane John, also known as Typhoon John, was both the longest-lasting and the farthest-traveling tropical cyclone ever observed. "
* A copyedit for redundancies would be helpful.  See User:Tony1/How to improve your writing for redundancy reducing exercises. Samples only:
** Over the course of its existence, John followed a 7,165-mile (13,280-km) path from the eastern Pacific to the western Pacific and back to the central Pacific, lasting 31 days in total. --> -->
*** John lasted 31 days and followed a 7,165-mile (13,280-km) path from the eastern Pacific to the western Pacific and back to the central Pacific.
** The origins of Hurricane John were thought by the United States National Hurricane Center (NHC) to be from a tropical wave that moved off the coast of Africa on July 25, 1994.[3][4] The wave subsequently moved across the Atlantic Ocean and Caribbean without distinction,  ---> (the wave could not have moved across the ocean before it originated off the coast of Africa)
*** The United States National Hurricane Center (NHC) thought that Hurricane John originated from a tropical wave that moved off the coast of Africa on July 25, 1994.[3][4] The wave subsequently moved across the Atlantic Ocean and Caribbean without distinction,
I did not uncover any indications of too close paraphrasing or copyvio or copying within Wikipedia without attribution.  SandyGeorgia (Talk)  04:36, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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