Talk:Allison Cameron

message: Is this really necessary? I mean, I'm sure there are fans who also dislike Chase's lack of airtime and what not, but I don't think you have to put a section about it. What's the relevance? --125.60.243.42 (talk) 08:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks the lord this has been brought up before now. I was fearing for my personal talk page for a second. I agree that it is irrelevant (even with the provided source). Fan and critic reactions aren't important. - Dudesleeper /  Talk 18:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that is completely wrong. Reception by fans/critics is a very important thing for Wikipedia articles. Take a look at the Good Articles on wiki. Having a reception section is very important. Ophois (talk) 01:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What Ophois said.  It's how we establish notability, which is how we determine whether or not to delete an article. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:31, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Err. Any chance you could provide evidence of an article that was deleted because it didn't contain a "fan reaction" section or something similar? - Dudesleeper /  Talk 10:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This one, kinda.  People were trying to redirect this article to a list with a small summary, that's why that info was added: to stop them.  It really should have a reception section that talks about critics and fans.  It's hard to show articles that were deleted, since of course they're gone now.  Girls Just Wanna Have Fun (Xena) (afd) was saved by adding a reception section, along with other sections.  You can look through the history here to see a variety of outcomes.  Ophois and I are working on Castiel (Supernatural) right now, trying to make it a good article, which is a good way to keep people from trying to delete it. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 15:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this the "real world" stuff an editor was droning on about a while ago? - 18:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL.  Yeah.  It's what determines which articles on fictional subjects can stay, and which can't (roughly). People used to create pages for characters that appear in one episode.  That lasted a while, and then there was a backlash, so you have to be kinda careful.  An article for Allison Cameron is a no-brainer to me, but as you can see in the above diff, people have already tried to get rid of it. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 21:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Fan Reaction' Section 

message: I've noticed this article repeatedly being "corrected" when certain flaws of Cameron are mentioned.  This article is a very, very pale imitation of the actual character in the show and will remain so as long as this stays the same.  The rest of the characters of House's wikis are riddled with their weaknesses, yet this one is somehow completely clean of any outside of her softy-wofty side, which is a really, a small fraction of her character. Cameron has flaws, and simply wiping her wiki article of them isn't going to change that.
:At the very least "She has also occasionally shown extreme reluctance to relate bad news to patients or their family" should be re-worded so that it doesn't read as confirmation of the first sentence in that paragraph "Cameron is the most empathetic member of House's team and possesses the best bedside manner." No other character in the show views this as either a healthy or helpful tendency of Cameron's (ie it's empathetic but not a good bedside manner or good practice), and I believe that most real world medical professionals wouldn't either. Thayvian 21:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously, this page needs to be changed to show some faults she has. She stole confiscated meth from the hospital! She's caused significant pain to patients she doesn't like! Why is there nothing about that in the article? It talks about her co-workers' manipulations, but none of hers. But, what's the point of editing it if it's just going to be edited to say nothing bad about her? Waapplepie 02:28, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flaws 

message: Was is it meth or ecstasy she took before engaging in sexual relations with Dr. Chase?
I believe that she was not on meth, but that she was on ecstasty.  There was two types of drugs in the guy's bag - meth and ecstasy.  Cameron, never having taken drugs before, would have most likely not have taken meth but have taken the ecstasy instead.  My reasons for this are as such
- Cameron would see meth as much more trashy, eg. meth mouth, and never having taken drugs before, she would probably not choose meth as her fist choice.  And also, meth would require that she chop it up and snort it up her nose or shoot it up, something she probably wouldn't do as her first experience with drugs, while ecstasy is just a pill you swallow
- Chase immediatly recognizes that her eyes are dialated which is stereotypical of ecstasy use
- While meth is used as a sexual stimulant, it is normally not the precipating factor that leads to sex but instead as an enhancer to prolong the intercourse; ecstasy on the other hand, is typically percieved as causing someone to become overwhelmed by the desire to love
It has been a while from when I saw the episode, but while I was watching I thought she was obviously on ecstasy.  I might have missed something but I fairly sure it was ecstasy. Jdw052 06:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just watched the episode again - there was no mention of what she uses except a slightly cryptic line by Chase: "Well, coming off the meth helps." He could of course be wrong, but she doesn't correct him or anything. AllynJ 00:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sex and Drugs 

message: In 2.24, when he is showing "Harpo" the precision of the machine, he begins to undress Cameron. What was that machine called? --Ω 13:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Complex Surgical Machine"? 

message: All the other House character bios have the stock photos (released by the studio). Someone needs to add Cameron's.Thegsrguy 16:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but you forgot the mandatory detailed fair-use rationale.  Additionally, you were using the image on the article about Jennifer Morrison in violation of copyright.  --Yamla 03:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't the fair use rationale be the same as was used for House, Foreman, Chase, etc?  Most of the actors use the same image for character and actor as well, should those be removed or don't they all fall under the same fair use argument? --Chad Hennings 01:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To add to what I said above, the bio page on the Fox website includes a bio about the actress with the picture, as well. --Chad Hennings 09:39, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo needed 

message: While it is true that Cameron has been called an atheist (and has even affirmed that, or if I remember correctly has not said anything against it), in the episode "Damned if you do" she said that she believes in a "higher order" of things. Hence, it would be more accurate to classify her as a mysitc instead of an atheist. While it is correct that mysticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive, the term atheist is more commonly used for someone who does not belief in any metaphysical guiding entities weather deity or higher order. In any case, since Cameron believes in a higher or of things, "mystic" is more precise than "atheist". So I move to change
"-she is an atheist" 
to
"-while having been called an atheist and having affirmed that, it is more precise to classify her as a mystic on the grounds that she stated that she believes in a "higher order" of things."
...with the references to the episode "Damned if you do" and one of those where she was called an atheist and affirmed that.
-MikeB
:I'd think I'd disagree with that. A "higher order" does not even really imply a spirit, force, or the supernatural. In theory a "higher order" could just mean some as yet undiscovered physical law or  a romantic reverence for nature itself that's not mystical. If anyone who believes in "a higher order" is to be classed as something other than atheist than there are many actual atheist who'd have to be reclassified. (I think even Dawkins believes in a higher force than humanity, but this doesn't mean any rejection of philosophical naturalism) Unless she says she's a mystic, deist, or pantheist I'd say leave it as is.--T. Anthony 16:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Atheism is most certainly not the belief that people are the highest form of being.  Atheism is the disbelief in the existence of deities.  There's no specific requirement of disbelief in any higher creature, only that such could not be a deity.  Similarly, agnosticism is the belief that deities are unknown or unknowable which again is not what Cameron claimed.  --Yamla 23:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  She expressed opinions to that effect. She said there's no point thinking about the "Higher Order" because it would be like penguins thinking about nuclear physics. Undiscovered physical laws aren't beyond man's grasp. --194.125.35.13 15:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  She said IF there's a higher being. She's atheist.  -- Simmysim (talk • contribs) 23:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Definitely an atheist. I believe House had two categories: Fictional agnostics and fictional atheists. Maybe Cameron can have two categories as well. mirageinred 19:45, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Cameron's not an Atheist. Nor is she a "mystic" as someone mentioned. She's rational, not mystic. But her character has made comments that express a kind of minimal Deism or Agnostic-Deism{or Agnosticism with deistic tendencies}. It's pretty clear when they discuss the issue that she's more Agnostic but I do recall her making a couple comments that seemed a bit deist.--Iconoclastithon (talk) 18:08, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

text: To quote from the episode "Damned if you do" (at 12:45): "I believe in a higher order that's in control of what happens, but not in one anthropomorphic entity called 'God' that's concerned with the everyday workings of you and me".  She's definitely not atheist, and leaning more on the deistic side.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vox Solis (talk • contribs) 13:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mystic rather then Atheist 

message: * The music used in Cameron's resignation scene in season three  is similar to the one used in the scene when House and Cameron shared a kiss , leading fans to speculate that the composition is the pair's love theme.
What? A "love theme"? First of all, really, it's complete speculation on the fans' part and it's not exactly unique in any regard to this character. The show recycles music all the time, just look at scenes with Chase and Cameron, it's the same music, too. The tidbit serves no purpose and isn't a cited fact.
in No More Mr. Nice Guy, it is implied that House slept with Cameron.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.171.129.170 (talk) 08:38, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Love Theme? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Hckiss.jpg

message: The article is too long, and has a in-universe perspective. The article, especially the relationships section, shouldn't be about what happens between Cameron and other characters episode-by-episode, so I focused on shortening the relationships section. By the way, for cite episode template, the date the episode aired should be cited like this: YYYY-MM-DD. mirageinred 15:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shortening the article 

message: Why does Cameron have her own article when Chase, Foreman, Wilson, and Cuddy (all are just as notable as she is) don't? 68.183.182.214 01:52, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't agree with the redirects, nor did I see a consensus for doing so, but I've now redirected Cameron's article in line with the other main characters (except House). - Dudesleeper ·  Talk 03:09, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh, if there was no consencus, why were the other articles moved to begin with? I'm going to rv the redirects for now. mirageinred 03:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why Is Cameron More Important?

message: The following request to move a page has been added to Wikipedia:Requested moves as an uncontroversial move, but this has been contested by one or more people. Any discussion on the issue should continue here. If a full request is not lodged within five days of this request being contested, the request will be removed from WP:RM.  —Dekimasuよ! 05:16, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Do not move. "Allison Cameron (House)" is a fictional character. Snowman (talk) 13:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I don't think this is an argument against moving the page. 221.90.134.44 (talk) 14:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

text: *I don't think it matters if it's fictional, just what the current popularity/notability status of the article is. That point can be argued, although no one has changed the redirect at all. Allison Cameron has redirected to Allison Cameron (House) since August 2006 with no changes or complaints, I just want to get rid of the redirect. LonelyMarble (talk) 17:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Not notable enough to be the primary topic. Snowman (talk) 17:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How is that an argument? There are two people by the name. The fictional character is more notable than the composer. It doesn't matter how notable this character is compared to anything else, she is the most notable Allison Cameron (the untouched redirect since August 2006 backs that up). What's the point of keeping the redirect? I'm looking to see if there's any specific convention or rule about a situation like this. LonelyMarble (talk) 18:51, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Contested move request

message: :Note: The merge suggestion was added by User:Eusebeus on 30 March 2008.
Waiting for the reason(s) behind the merge proposal. - Dudesleeper /  Talk 18:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose, whatever the reason Eusebeus comes up with this time - There's enough info and refs to justify a separate page. We don't have an article limit or anything, and the article meeds WP:FICT notability guidelines. -mattbuck (Talk) 22:29, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

text: FYI, this discussion has been centralized at Talk:House (TV series)#Merge proposals of all House characters by User:Eusebeus --Hnsampat (talk) 14:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: I added a very small amount.  This NYT article has a lot more than I added.  This talks about the changes in season 4.  Also check this. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 20:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs 

message: As per comments above, Allison Cameron should redirect here, and the current page there should be a disambiguation page. I'm sorry but the composer with the same name just isn't notable enough. I think this needs to be discussed again, please. Deamon138 (talk) 09:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of redirecting, you should ask an admin to move this page to Allison Cameron and then create Allison Cameron (disambiguation). - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 00:55, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's kinda half what I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear. But I think this page should still have "(house)" after it, or is there some rule that says if somewhere is a redirect form somewhere, then it doesn't need the brackets clarification? At the mo, Allison Cameron is the disambiguation page, but as you say, this should be moved to Allison Cameron (disambiguation). Deamon138 (talk) 21:45, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: We don't know if either Cameron or Chase changed their name(s) after marriage. Until and unless we know, her page name should not be edited. 67.100.203.160 (talk) 15:06, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding your edit summary, many intelligent professional women choose to change their names on marriage. To suggest making that choice would disqualify her from being intelligent and/or professional is wrong. Anyway, time will tell. Hibbertson (talk) 15:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Still, if she changes it, 'Allison Chase' is gonna' be weird to say/hear, XD 92.10.208.108 (talk) 18:40, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

text: It's true that some intelligent, professional women change their names upon marriage; however, your argument assumes that actions done by intelligent people are always intelligent, and, further, that choices are always made freely. In fact, neither assumption can be safely made. In the case of name-changing upon marriage, it is a choice that very, very few men make. At bottom, women's "choice" of married name is a second-hand choice; women "choose" how they will deal with their husband's prior, unshakeable, and usually unspoken choice irrevocably to keep his name. Ricardiana (talk) 01:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Cameron's not an Atheist. Nor is she a "mystic" as someone mentioned. She's rational, not mystic. But her character has made comments that express a kind of minimal Deism or Agnostic-Deism{or Agnosticism with deistic tendencies}. It's pretty clear when they discuss the issue that she's more Agnostic but I do recall her making a couple comments that seemed a bit deist.--Iconoclastithon (talk) 18:07, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deist ot Agnostic NOT Atheist 

message: Who is that guy at the end?  The article was edited recently to say that it was presumably her husband.  I actually thought it must be her babysitter, leaving the father unknown.  I'm not 100% certain, but the time line of when her last encounter with Chase seems to line up just about perfectly with the baby's age.  If not, it implies that she met the father and conceived the child a very short time after said encounter.  So here's a question for discussion:  is that Chase's baby?  I had assumed so.  Kaiserkarl13 (talk) 02:10, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The guy who hands her the baby is...? 

message: The article needs mention of their conflict in the 2nd season when he stole her article and then infected her with terminal illness to make her help him.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.72.200.113 (talk) 16:21, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cameron vs Foreman 

message: It's also shown she is the head of reanimatology in Chicago in 8th season finale. Why does her child is mentioned while her job does not?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.72.200.113 (talk) 16:25, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cameron after House 

message: Pronouns exist so that we don't have to keep repeating names and common nouns, but it's better to just repeat the name than to use a pronoun where it could refer to several people or things. That just results in ambiguity; the reader can't tell what's meant. Example from the article: "In the following episode, "Teamwork", Cameron and Chase were supposed to leave House's team and the hospital because of Dibala's death and to save their relationship but House tells Chase his theory on Cameron's weird acting. He believes Cameron feels it was his fault that Chase did what he did, as he would have created the foul climate for it to happen. After an outburst of his wife, the doctor realizes she was indeed mad at House but not him. He says he did it, and won't leave the hospital just because she wants to pretend he didn't."
Who? What? Wegesrand (talk) 12:34, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fict. Char. Biog.: unintelligible 

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message: I cannot find a source for Cameron living in Rhodesia. The House wiki says that she was born around Chicago in c. 1979, really limiting the time she could have lived in Rhodesia. Summerburd (talk) 01:50, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rhodesia