Talk:Chevaline

message: I failed to sign off with my name as is my usual custom, with the first revision of this date.
Apologies.
 
Esp since I dislike it when other contributors do not have the self-confidence to put their name to their work.
Further revisions can be expected; these two are in the nature of a holding operation to correct outdated material and sources. Much v.inaccurate hot air has been emitted about Chevaline. A significant contribution to global warming methinks. Brian.Burnell 19:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Revisions dated 10 July 2006

message: The reverted text was sourced as non-POV from Wiki articles at Suez Crisis and Krushchev. Precise quotes follow.
*From Krushchev "We will bury you."  a recorded statement by Nikita Khrushchev at a Moscow event dated Nov 1956 at the height of the Suez Crisis and the Hungarian Uprising.
*From Suez Crisis .... "after the Soviet Union threatened to intervene ....and launch attacks  by all types of modern weapons of destruction on London and Paris."
Given that Wikipedia itself in other non-POV articles uses the term "threatened" in this context it seems appropriate to use it here too.
In a free society there will of course be dissenters, and I defend their absolute right to dissent and hold and promote a minority POV. But it is just that, ... a POV, and while suitable for many publications, not an encyclopaedia with the policies that Wiki has adopted. Brian.Burnell 15:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My reply: A - Krushchev phrase is now considered to be refering to economics and productive competition between east and west. See We_will_bury_you for an overview.  B - the Suez quote is unsourced .. i may actually take it out or at least tag it in the Suez article. C - you cannot self-reference wikipedia... u must pull up the SOURCE. Also.. cold war politicians speculating on the likelihood or outcome of a conflict   are not considered threats unless made explicit as a threat to the opposing party. Bytheway.. if you want me to pull up a list of direct, explicit threats made by USA against USSR, China and Cuba.. I would be more than happy. --maxrspct in the mud  18:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert POV to non-POV

message: Changes made here were suggested by Dr Richard Moore, who advises that the US did not physically make the Antelope system engineering data available to the British. Rather that the British (who knew of the US research) adopted the concept and developed the concept from their own scientific resources. I think I've understood that correctly. Brian.Burnell 08:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Technical Solutions

message: How strange to see a person of Max rspct's self-confessed beliefs (see User page) defending the Tory administration of Ted Heath. The one of the poor language skills, the miners strike, the three-day week. And Max rspct says the phase was ridicule of a Labour administration! Perhaps I'm missing something here. But what strange bedfellows Heath and Max would make.
The allegation of other POV is unfounded. There are numerous factual accounts of this occurance. One was cited, and one is enough. Brian.Burnell 16:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How strange

message: I've only have a peripheral role in the creation and nurturing of this article, but I have to say it is one of the more pleasurable experiences I've had on the wiki. I think we all owe Brian a HUGE round of applause for creating what is arguably one of the finest, no, the finest, articles on the topic, as well as a perfect example of what collaborative editing can do. If you ever bump into anyone pooh-poohing the wiki, send them here and challenge them to find a better article anywhere. There's hope for this experiment yet! Maury 00:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow, what a great article 

message: Mr impossible. Are you asserting that Khruschev was not making a threat during the shoe-banging episode linked to the BBC source? If so how about producing some evidence, because almost all politically neutral accounts assert that he was. And there were other threats made, as researchers on this topic could easily uncover if minded to. But since this is an article about the origins and development of a particular piece of equipment, and not a comprehensive account of the Cold War, it was felt that to point interested readers in the right general direction was sufficient. Although not considered acceptable in Wiki to use other Wiki articles as source material, readers could refer to the Nikita Khruschev page itself for a more in-depth coverage. Brian.Burnell 15:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Another useful wiki link as this one Suez Crisis Ceasefire and Withdrawal. Brian.Burnell 16:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was only (and this now appears to be a totally academic point since the relevant sections seems to have disappeared) that I was expecting on following the link to see Khruschev specifically threatening the UK not Khruschev "beating his shoe against his desk before shouting to the <B> US </B> representatives "We will bury you"." I just thought that if there was going to be a reference it could be a better one and indeed you've cited two yourself. I wasn't at all disputing the root assertion and I'd like to add to the praise on this page for a fabulous article on a subject that very few people (including, frankly, me) know very much about. --Mr impossible 12:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: BBC

message: I suggest the Fed-Speak-y "UGT" be changed to "underground test" (which I presume it stands for) to make this article more accessable to non-cognescenti.  
Basesurge (talk) 07:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
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*Attempted to fix sourcing for http://tonnel-ufo.ru/eanglish/weapon/ballistic-missile-submarines-r-30-3m30-bulava.php
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Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 03:05, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Sgt101 (talk) 21:08, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad references  

message: Substantial topic overlap, no independent existence and a clearer article for the reader in one place. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:55, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:46, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge of [[Chevaline Re-entry Body]]