Talk:A Streetcar Named Desire

message: Removed from the main page (as unsupported speculation):
:Stanley Kowalski is part of a long tradition of the American stage brute -- a working class oaf whose failure to grasp culture, and whose desire to cut through the pretension of the elite makes him something of a working class hero.  (Think Ralph Kramden, Fred Flintstone, Al Bundy, and Homer Simpson.)
Perhaps the above is true.  It seems to me (and I may be wrong) that it should be attributed to someone, as it's not easily proven on its own.  Seems to fit better in a paper on the film and/or play, not an article.  My $.02.  --KQ—Preceding undated comment added by Koyaanis Qatsi (talk • contribs) 13:45, 4 August 2002 (UTC)
replies: text: Me neither :) But talk about change in rape scene as well...— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.144.133 (talk) 21:52, 25 November 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I generally agree.  The streetcar has definite symbolic relevance in the context of the play - but the sub-section for it here contains no such context, so it's just a digression.  I think it could be worth mentioning if the section was made into an observation of the play's generally accepted themes, i.e., a few such symbols could be included as illustration of these themes.  This section could incorporate the existing brief comparison with Chekov, you know?  Maybe I'll give it a shot at some point, unless there is general disapproval of the idea. JustDerek 20:57, 20 Oct 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The following was in the article Blanche Dubois; I changed it to a redirect to the play. Anybody want to merge it in properly? --Christopherlin 06:56, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  From Blanche Dubois 

message: Does anyone know if SND is available as a free ebook somewhere? The author is dead so there is no copyright, right?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Aphex~enwiki (talk • contribs) 11:13, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the novel is copyrighted and the United States copyright law states, "Copyrights currently last for seventy years after the death of an author, or seventy-five to ninety-five years in the case of works of corporate authorship and works first published before 1 January 1978." I couldn't find an ebook with the novel, either. Sorry. Sciurinæ 14:42, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online version of the play? 

message: After reading over  I felt inclined to remove the stamp from the article, as it is being used to illustrate the play appearing in the stamp, as opposed to illustrating the stamp itself.  Feel free to discuss if you disagree. ~ PseudoSudo 22:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stamp not qualifying as fair use 

message: coarse (but vital) hustlers and ethnics like Stanley-- who, despite the torn T shirt, is a successful engineer, not a laborer
Stanley Kowalski is an engineer? I really don't remember that and the wikipedia entry on Stanley says he is a laborer.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.72.79.64 (talk) 22:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparisons with Other Works 

message: This sounds exactly like the myth of Tereus & Procne and the rape of Philomela, minus the canibalism.  Intentional?  Mention it? - Psyno 07:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Myth? 

message: Elysian Fields and Desire Street are not in the French Quarter, but in the Faubourg Marigny and the Upper 9th Ward/Bywater neighborhoods.  Perhaps the setting should be changed to read "Downtown New Orleans", Downtown being any part of the city east of Canal Street, that is "down river", which also includes the Quarter.  -- Leodmacleod 10:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Setting 

message: The lines "Stella! Hey, Stella!" and "I have always depended on the kindness of strangers" are respectively ranked #45 and #75 in the American Film Institute's list of the top 100 movie quotations in American cinema. This should be mentioned somewhere in the article, I think. bd2412 T 17:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFI ranking 

message: I'd like to remove this reference to a parody film, as it isn't cited and I can't find a mention of the play, actor or director anywhere on the Internet.
"A short, parody film was also made called "Living with Blanche." It centers around Blanche DuBois after she leaves the mental institution years after the original story. It stars Julia M. Blauvelt and is directed by Amy C. Lewis."
Gingerwiki (talk) 20:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parody film? 

message: I have completely removed this inappropriate section. Wikipedia articles are not blogs or crystal balls. Note also that instructions like "please update" and the other instructional comments are completely inappropriate in an article. When a production takes place, and if it is notable, it can be added to the performance history. Voceditenore (talk) 14:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Re Section "Productions Now. (Please update)"

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replies: text: Sorry, I went back and checked, and I missed where you had added the link.  I'm really sorry and kind of embarassed.  My bad. --Leodmacleod (talk) 04:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  My bad! 

message: "Selznick originally wanted to cast Margaret Sullavan and John Garfield". Actually, Williams originally wrote the play for Tallulah Bankhead, but she refused to do it because the script contained the word "nigger". see page 293 at http://books.google.com/books?id=18YjNB_BsqYC&printsec=frontcover—Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.66.147.232 (talk) 03:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
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message: Colin Ingram's production opens at the Donmar Warehouse, London on Tuesday 28th July 2009, previews from 23rd. See The Donmar's What's On page  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nigelgreenx2 (talk • contribs) 12:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Musical

message: As it is now, much of this section belongs in Streetcars in New Orleans, not in a discussion of this play. What about something more along these lines (or less).
== The real streetcar named Desire == 
The Desire Line ran from 1920–48, at the height of streetcar use in New Orleans. The Desire route ran down Bourbon, through the Quarter, up Desire, and back around to Canal. Blanche's route in the play —  "They told me to take a streetcar named Desire, transfer to one called Cemeteries and ride six blocks and get off at — Elysian Fields!" — is allegorical.
The lines servicing the French Quarter were converted to buses in the early 1950s.Branley, Edward J. (2004).New Orleans: The Canal Streetcar Line. Charleston SC, Chicago, Portsmouth NH, San Francisco: Arcadia Publishing, p. 68. For many years, an original 1920's  Perley Thomas streetcar from the  St. Charles Avenue Line, No. 952, sat in the French Market proudly bearing the name "DESIRE" for tourists to stand in front of and photograph.No. 952 was moved to San Francisco in 1998. 1923 New Orleans 'Streetcar Named Desire' No. 952 Market Street Railway
In any case, the current information about the Desire Projects and the St Charles and Canal St Lines, and the presumption that Williams was unfamiliar with N.O. streetcar lines, should be removed. LaNaranja (talk) 01:08, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections so I edited this section of the article. LaNaranja (talk) 17:09, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The real streetcar named Desire" section 

message: Not relevant to the play -- would better fit in the Tennessee Williams article. LaNaranja (talk) 04:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections so I commented out this section. LaNaranja (talk) 17:09, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "A Streetcar Named Success" section 

message: Quotes from a Streetcar Named Desire
	This novel shows a variety of characters ranging from crazy, intelligent, clueless, and aggressive and powerful.  These characters include Blanche, Stanley, Stella and Mitch.  Blanche and Stella are sisters.  Stanley is friends with Mitch and married to Stella.  Mitch has a thing for Blanche.  This story is complicated with many things happening with the outrageous behaviors in different scenes.  
	Blanche is a mentally psychotic character who comes to Elysian Fields, a two-story corner building on a street in New Orleans after losing her property at Belle Reve, her previous home which her family had for generations.  A quote that explains Blanche in this story is when she first arrives and is talking to Stella.  They are talking about Blanche losing Belle Reve and Blanche’s response was, “Well, Stella—you’re going to reproach me, I know that you’re bound to reproach me—but before you do—take into consideration—you left! I stayed and struggled! You came to New Orleans and looked out for yourself.  I stayed at Belle Reve and tried to hold it together! I’m not meaning this in any reproachful way, but all the burden descended on my shoulders” (25).  This explains Blanche perfectly because whenever Blanche is blamed for something gone wrong, she always finds a way to turn it around on people or avoid the topic.  For example, when Mitch was asking about Blanche’s age, she turned the conversation away to how she had a love that turned out to be gay and she talked about Mitch’s sick mother.  One person who could listen to the crap that Blanche would give her is Stella.  
	Stella is Blanche’s sister.  And for the majority of the first half of the story, Stella would take Stanley’s aggressive behavior including the poker night and Blanche’s bologna of stories.  The turning point or real character triumph for Stella is when Stella and Blanche were arguing about why Stella loved Stanley.  Blanche was referring Stanley as an animal and making animal references about him.  Stella out of no where decided that day that she would stand up for herself.  Blanche says, “A man like that is someone to go out with—once—twice—three times when the devil is in you.  But live with? Have a child by?” (71). Stella replies, “I have told you I love him” (71).  That is no screaming or telling off, but that was a huge step for Stella.  One person who didn’t like Blanche from the start was Stanley.
	Stanley was an aggressive character who never took crap from anyone, especially Blanche.  He knew she was full of herself from the start.  For example, in the beginning, he interrogated Blanche because she had nice clothing and jewelry.  But when Stanley got really fed up with Blanche, he decided to give her a birthday present. Blanche had just opened it and he started to explain what it is, “Ticket! Back to Laurel! On the Greyhound! Tuesday!” (111). I like that Stanley is real with Blanche, because then she knows that she is not wanted at their home.  One person who accepted Blanche and loved her was Mitch.
	Mitch was Stanley’s friend playing poker and met Blanche that night.  You could say they hit it off.  He wanted to see her again and he did, multiple times.  The one night after Mitch found out Blanche’s real age, he didn’t get mad or has an outburst, instead he replied, “You need somebody.  And I need somebody, too.  Could it be—you and me, Blanche?” (96). This proves that Mitch is a very excepting, and nice gentleman.
	The characters in this novel prove to be complex, and there is an abundant amount.  This novel proved to be a intricate one with many personalities and so many different places.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.149.27.177 (talk) 23:37, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes and Summary 

message: Hi, I've never edited before, but I've studied this play for a long time, and this is inaccurate - The play occurs in the French Quarter, not the Marigny.  At the end of scene 3 (the Poker Night) when Blanche comes outside to talk to Mitch:
Blanche: I'm not properly dressed.
Mitch: That don't make no difference in the Quarter.
This can be found in any copy of the play.  Williams intentionally misused Elysian Fields, possibly because (according to its Wikipedia page) its "the final resting place of the souls of the heroic and the virtuous" which makes sense in the context of the play.  Also, in the first scene, Stella states that the L&N tracks are outside:
Blanche:...Out there I suppose is the ghoul-haunted woodland of Weir!
Stella: No, honey, those are the L&N tracks.
The L&N tracks run on Canal st., which is in the Quarter, not the Marigny - 
http://nutrias.org/exhibits/choochoo/page2.htm
Thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.210.254.85 (talk) 04:35, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed Setting 

message: In this article, it is stated that Leigh starred in the London production. Now, I'm not sure whether she did or not, but I know she starred in the Broadway production, alongside Brando as Stanley and Hunter as Stella. Why does it say differently in this article? Egduf8 (talk) 04:24, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vivien Leigh as Blanche in the Broadway production 

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message: Has Williams been ever criticized for his creating "Stanley Kowalski" out of his desire to express his waspish racist attitude towards the Polish people? Has he ever been criticized for his creating one of the world's most hateful stereotypes of a Polish person? Also, has any one pointed out that the way "Stanley Kowalski" talks and carries himself seems characteristic rather of an Irish American person than a Polish American person? Or there has never been such criticism in the US and Britain? Does any one know? Thank you.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.103.225.108 (talk) 08:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a reference desk and you will not be permitted to edit this original criticism into Wikipedia.  AGK ■ 08:41, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  IS THERE ANY CRITICISM OF WILLIAMS FOR HIS RACIST PORTRAYAL OF A POLISH PERSON ? 

message: The first edition illustrated here is titled "street car" (two words) not "streetcar" (one word).
It might be a grammatical anomaly, but shouldn't this be reflected in the article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justnigel (talk • contribs) 06:15, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title "street car" or "streetcar"