Talk:Angel/Archive 1

message: Where does the idea that angels are dead people back in a mission come from?
It's quite popular in popular media: It's a Wonderful Life, Highway to Heaven, but I can't link it to a major confession.
Is it from the Swedenborgians?
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The idea that all angels are 'dead people' is one of the central tenets of Swedenborgianism, through there is little believe in dead people coming back on a mission from God (see Blues Brothers. But since Swedenborg lived in the 18th century, and the idea of angels being dead people can be traced earlier than that, I don't think we can say that it is strictly a Swedenborgian teaching. It is true that while it's hard to find official doctrine in the world today that include this idea, it actually is all around us. I've been to funerals where the priest started by saying that it's very sad that Uncle Joe is dead in the ground and we'll miss him until the resurrection when he will be dug up (the official doctrine of their church), but finish by saying that we can take comfort knowing that Uncle Joe is happily living in heaven where he isn't bothered by his cancer anymore and he can see Aunt Jane who died two years ago. No one seems to really belive the official doctrine but have an inate understanding that when people die they continue to live. 
It's my understanding that the early christian church in the first and second centuries understood this to be true. Looking for a reference...-AmosGlenn 03:20, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Angels as dead people

message: I thought that angels warned Lot and not Abraham about the destruction of Sodom as the article states. Please correct my mistake or the mistake in the article.
:Abraham entertained the angels before they went to the city of Sodom and stayed with Lot.--Jondel 07:20, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose 

message: I just added this section (somehow I wasn't logged in when I did it. Sorry!) What do you guy think? Is it wiki-worthy? Wadsworth 23:05, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would add a new page under the LDS view of angels and shorten the section on this page with a link to the Mainpage. Wiki-worthy, but too long for this page. freestylefrappe 02:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

text: It looks like someone else might be splitting it up, with a seperate article for each religion. I'll let whoever does this take care of it, I suppose. Wadsworth 12:43, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section: Latter-Day Saint View 

message: On the Bible part, someone decided Angels have no free will as beings with capabilities beyond humans.  This is untrue, since there is no reason to believe Angels are unintelligent and are much like robots.  Angels by necessity do have the ability to have wisdom, understanding, and knowledge as agents of God.  Occam’s Razor states that the simplest explanation is the best one, since it has the least parts; therefore, Angels that are like robots strictly programmed by God is more complex, or a class of beings that help God, but are intelligent is the best answer.  Finally, Angels can be in human form and are not limited to being air; therefore, Angels have physical existence, but can move in mysterious ways. Unsigned comment by 172.195.130.79
:Please end your comments with four tildes (~). That shows your IP address and helps to distinguish you from other users. Thanks. freestylefrappe 00:04, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angels of Heaven 

message: Some people believe that angels are ancient references to extraterrestrials due to their lack of genitals and the fact that they come from the sky. I myself don't know that much about the matter, but I think it's worth mentioning. PersonDude 17:59, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The wings would have been mechanical flying devices?--Jondel 01:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been discussed before a few years back. The thread is still present Under the New Age section above on this talk page, in the paragraph about "bad joke".  There was a theory on Angels=Aliens; halo=space helmet; Wing=flying devices; the cessation of miracles of the caliber of "Noah's flood", "Plagues of Egypt", "parting of the red sea" etc. = departure of an alien spaceship. Kowloonese 02:14, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angels and Aliens 

message: There is a nice section under Fallen angel that not only lists believed fallen angels, but does so by rank. Can we get some such thing under this topic as well? I have no knowlege of this topic.--Dustin Asby 13:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List