Talk:Sandi Thom

message: Normally it would not be allowed but it seems as if it has come from the official producers, so is it possible to make an allowance? MrDark 13:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're allowed to quote reasonable extracts, which this article would seem to need. Tyrenius 14:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The song lyrics

message: This thread on a music industry board has lots of info (see  for example). It is claimed that the last date was 16 March 2006. It is also claimed that she performed at the Windmill Pub in Brixton on the 13 March.. Secretlondon 14:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: Citing google trends directly and particularly referring to companies house records is Wikipedia:original research, and we shouldn't be doing that.  If the press is doing that we can certainly pick up on what they are saying.  
However, in reality, there is a Legacy Records registered, company number SC264518, which appears to be the one involved (its registered office is in Aberdeen).  This demonstrates the pitfalls of doing original research.   Also, using google trends to check for viral marketing itself is flawed: obviously if something is being forwarded around between people, there will be no need to google for it (similarly, alexa probably won't find webcast traffic).  Morwen - Talk 11:55, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent original research

message: There's no evidence anywhere that she was in "an unnamed 7-member band which got to the semi-finals of BBC Radio 1's urban music awards." It would have been between 1999 and 2003, Radio 1 didn't have any urban music awards then, and how could a seven-piece band in a competition have no name?--Manc ill kid 20:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the hundreds of media stories saying she did would have to count as evidence, to some extent.  It's an extremely unusual thing to fabricate.  In fact, have a look here, which appears to be the competition in question: although it's not clear which year her band entered.  seems to go back to 2002, at least.   I've been unable to find stories specifically referring to the band in question, mind.  Morwen - Talk 12:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Aye, but there's also been hundreds of media stories saying she's been compared to KT Tunstall and Janis Joplin. None of them have justified this by explaining that in such comparisons she comes out as worst.--Manc ill kid 10:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: God, she's as bad as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as Prince. -- Dandelions 16:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Seven-piece urban band

message: The recent reorder has been generally good: but it has broken the narrative flow of the article : in particular the first mention of the York & Wales gigs is now after the second mention of them.  The story about the breakdown needs that context.  Not sure what to be doing here? Morwen - Talk 23:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narrative flow 

message: It seems very unlikely that you could be in a The Residents cover band called The Residents. That would be passing off, wouldn't it? Secretlondon 21:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the same thing.--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 23:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cover band

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Smile...It Confuses People cover.jpg

message: Daschund, Skinnylizzy: can you two please discuss what you're up to here, rather than constantly reverting each other?
Daschund, this is not a minor edit; it's reverting back to your preferred version.
Daschund, Skinnylizzy: a good policy on Wikipedia is bold, revert, discuss - you edited boldly (good), Skinnylizzy reverted you (good), then the pair of you proceeded to edit war over it (bad). Both of you - please start discussing your edits instead of edit-warring.
Sorry to be so abrupt, but you're both good editors and should be acting like good editors ;-)
Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 18:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Page is being reverted to fan site information that is directly being used on promotional sites for artist, when i ask for citations to confirm changes nothing seems to happen except another publicity shot, so revert to original.   also D seems to think that i am in fact resonsible for anything that is not promoting artist when in fact th 99% of my changes were grammatical and anything i have published is all verified.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skinnylizzy (talk • contribs) 18:27, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I do have some sympathy for your position; I've been in discussion with Daschund recently and I understand that they feel the article is overly critical. I've explained Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy but I'm not sure if it makes sense yet to Daschund (there are a huge amount of policies to learn and understand). In the meantime, everything can be solved by discussing the issue with each other instead of constantly reverting. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 18:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I can't see it being removed in the last three edits, so I presume it was removed in the earlier round of editing and will be virtually impossible to easily undo. Best thing would of course be to ask Daschund why it was removed. I can think of reasons for keeping it and for removing it: as I understand it Sandi Thom isn't an SNP member, so it may give undue weight to apparent political beliefs, but on the other hand it is a well-documented aspect of her life. Anyway, best bet is for the pair of you to discuss it, and reach a compromise/consensus position. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 18:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ...I've added a  tag to it; can you add a reference (and remove the fact tag)? In fairness I should add I also fixed and reinstated the tags you added earlier and that were removed! Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 18:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: Just a general comment - there are a few places where the article's subject is called "Sandi". Per WP:NPOV she should either be called "Sandi Thom" or "Thom".  "Sandi" implies familiarity which is inappropriate and non-neutral.  If I get time later I'll go through and fix, but I thought since there's a lot of editing right now editors could either make sure they use "Thom" for new text, or fix old text in passing.
Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 18:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sandi" 

message: Daschund, Skinnylizzy (and anyone else who's interested): I've been catching up with your work over the last few hours (it was bedtime in my timezone!) and you both seem to be making good progress. I noticed some comments about having the Nitin Sawney episode in the Homecoming section, and that got me looking at the layout of the article. Could I suggest something like:
* Biography 
** LIPA 
* Career 
** Re-Release of "I Wish I Was A Punk Rocker" & Success
** Performing
** What if I'm Right/Lonely Girl
** 21 Nights From Tooting & Surrounding Controversy
** Webcasting
** Promotion
** Sony (RCA)
*** Signing with Sony (RCA)
*** Doubts about the webcast
*** Sandi's response
*** The Devil's Beat, Saturday Night and The Pink & The Lily
*** Dropped By Sony (RCA)
* Discography
** Albums
** Singles
* Tours
* Personal life
** Oxfam Ambassador
** Homecoming / 2009
* Discography
** Albums
** Singles
How does that look? My thinking is that it groups all the music stuff apart from discography into career; the political stuff is in "Personal life" (maybe come up with a better section title than "Personal life"?), and stuff before her career took off is in Biography (including LIPA). How does that sound? Does it make the career section too long?
Anyway, these are just thoughts - feel free to throw in your own!
Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 09:11, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me - I had a quick look at other artists' and bands' articles and the usual practice does seem to be to have discography last (the one exception was Chumbawamba - typical anarchists!) so I've amended the list above accordingly.  I'm probably not going to have time today, but there's no hurry - it'd be good to have other editors' thoughts on this too before I charge in!  Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 10:23, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure 

message: When looking at over this today I found large amounts of contentious unreferenced material. I've removed this per Policy on BLPs. Elsewhere, existing citations to a section didn't back up the swathes of info, names, dates in the section. I pared that down. But it raises the question of whether the other citations accurately verify the text, on the Career section in particular. I've added a tag to call attention to that.
Content composed of loose interpretations of sources or weasel wording of contentious material should be fixed/removed as necessary. I spent about an hour working on the article today, but the more eyes the better. Thanks. –Whitehorse1 21:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced material and inaccurate citing

message: This page started out a detailed summary of coverage of her sudden rise to prominence and the sceptical responses that rose.  The tours section continues in this way, with a lot of comment on shows that were planned but cancelled or poorly attended.  I would say that in musician BLPs we usually adopt a fairly forgiving stance and merely report activities rather than critiquing press statements unless those lead to significant coverage.  I would therefore propose to cut down the he said / she said elements of the webcast section in favour of some neutral account, drop the direct quotes from The Automatic which I think are marginallly notable and certainly undue, and drastically reducing the Tours text to a list of tours and key performances.  This would I belive give a much more readable short introduction to her work and career. Martinlc (talk) 16:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  General tone and balance 

message: Regarding the mini edit war about the material from Thom's website, Skinnylizzy is correct. We cannot cite to a self-published source for this kind of promotional self-aggrandizing material. If you want to add more facts about Thom's career, they need to be based on secondary reliable sources.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:45, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with excluding material form the website but more on the grounds of notability / undue weight - anything that is so trivial that no independent source can be found it probably not worthy of inclusion.Martinlc (talk) 19:16, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material from Thom website 

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message: An editor has raised a query about the description of her ethnicity as Gypsy or (in earlier versions) Romani Gypsy.  I believe that we would usually use whatever their self-description is.  If there are any sources which show this it could be included.  In the meantime I have deleted it.   (She has used Gypsy as an identifier in songs but so did Stevie Nicks). Martinlc (talk) 12:04, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity