Template talk:Susquehanna River System/Archive1

message: Note: this content moved here to show how the template was developed. If there are other questions, please see the edit history at User:Ruhrfisch/Frog. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 12:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

message: I originally thought just to make a navbox for the West Branch Susquehanna River (1), but the list of crossings etc. are for the whole Susquehanna River, so I made the navbox for the whole river (2). That was so big I made the navframe for the whole river (3). I prefer the navframe (3), but could also easily make versions of (1) for each sub-basin, or perhaps one for the whole Susquehanna and boxes for Juniata, West Branch, and Chemung.
:I think either the navframe or having a separate one for each sub-basin and then just using the navframe on Susquehanna River would work well.Kmusser 19:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the last nav box. It gives lots of info in a small place and expands the scope of a particular stream. It shows how Little Pine Creek is related to the Juniata River. I am just a fan providing more information and links. Dincher 20:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: a) Which navbox to use?

message: My thought is to include a navbox on every stream in the Susquehanna system. Currently every stream named on the SRBC maps and whatever we have an article for is included in the navboxes. Some of the streams are quite small and I am not sure they need to be included?? Also the Chesapeake Bay website lists more streams and the PA Gazzeteer of Streams II lists even more (there could be 70 streams listed in the West Branch watershed alone).
:You do not want to include every one, there are too many.  I think what you want is anything that's "notable." You can either leave that ambiguous, or try to come up with a definition for it.  For an example of the latter check out List of rivers in New Hampshire.  Kmusser 19:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just the notables should be included. What is notable? That's up for discussion. Little Muncy Creek is. Hagerman's Run, although it's a major drinking water source in Williamsport, is not. There must be some volume, size limit that we could put into place. Dincher 20:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: b) What streams to include?

message: Currently Creek is Cr., River is R., and Branch is Br. I did not abbreviate Run or Fork or (usually) North, South, East or West. Little shows up often, but is not abbreviated. Any ideas here?
:I think what you have is fine.Kmusser 19:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As do I. Dincher 20:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: d) What to abbreviate?

message: Should a map be included in the navbox? How about the counties in the watershed(s)? What about the descriptions of the subbasins of the Susquehanna itself in the navframe, Lower, Middle, Upper (3)? Any other ideas or comments?
:Ideally yes, although I'm not sure where it would fit graphically - it would be nice to show where the sub-basins are visually.  I can replicate the SRBC sub-basin map with free data for you if you want.  If you are able to include a map the parenthetical descriptions of Lower, Middle, and Upper would probably be unnecessary.  Kmusser 19:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I visualize a map with the county lines and the basins and subbasins in different shades of the same basic color. Perhaps the same color currently used in the PA map seen on the List of Pennsylvania state parks. Dincher 20:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dots and smaller text looks alot better. Dincher 01:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I took a shot at making some maps that would go with this: 
       Kmusser 14:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: e) Miscellaneous questions 

message: Dropped Sinking Run 29.1 sq mi, Snare Run (less than 25 sq mi), Shaffer Creek 36.6 sq mi, Shaffer Cr (under 25 sq mi) and Brush Creek (trib of Brush Creek, under 25 sq mi) Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 03:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Juniata checklist

message: Dropped Kings Creek (less than 25 sq mi), Rauchtown Run (treated as one with Antes Creek), Cedar Run (Pine Creek) 37.7 sq mi, Stony Fork Cr (Babb Cr) 37.7 sq mi too, Slab Cabin Run (less than 25 sq mi), Cooks Run 25.6 sq mi, Laurel Run (Sinnemahoning) 37.9 sq mi, Gazam Run less than 25 sq mi.
Add Little Fishing Cr 42.1 sq mi, Marsh Creek (Bald Eagle Cr) 44.6 sq mi, Trout Run (Moshannon Cr) 41.8 sq mi, Beaverdam Run (Clearfield Cr) 49.1 sq mi.
Sinnemahoning branches with larger than 100 sq km drainage basin: 
*Sinnemahoning Cr 1035 sq mi
**First Fork SC 267 sq mi
***East Fork SC 54.7 sq mi
**Bennett Branch SC 365 sq mi
***Driftwood Branch SC 319 sq mi
****Sinnemahoning Portage Cr 73.2 sq mi
****West Cr 62.3 sq mi
***Trout Run 55.1 sq mi
Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 17:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: West Branch checklist

message: Add Little Wapwallopen Creek sq mi, Spring Brook 57.2 sq mi, Roaring Brook 56.3 sq mi, and Nine Partners Creek 38.6 sq mi. Remove Stony Brook less than 25 sq mi. Add White Creek  42.8 sq mi, Tuscarora Creek 38.9 sq mi, and Sugar Creek 189 sq mi.
Five branches to add if they get articles: S Br Tunkhannock Cr 98.3 sq mi, E Br Tunkhannock Cr 69.1 sq mi, N Br Mehoopany Cr 123 sq mi, W Br Wyalusing Cr 46.6 sq mi, E Br Wyalusing Cr 69.9 sq mi. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 14:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle Susquehanna checklist

message: I fixed the order, and added Bennetts Creek 95 sq mi, Bentley Creek 58 sq mi, Campbell Creek 39 sq mi, Canacadea Creek 58 sq mi, Fivemile Creek 69 sq mi, Baldwin Creek 41 sq mi (under Goldsmith Creek in Chesapeake Bay website, but USGS map shows Goldsmith is trib of Baldwin), Newtown Creek 81 sq mi, and South Creek 46 sq mi. Areas are from PA Gazetteer of Streams II and Chesapeake Bay Program website for Chemung subbasin here. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 18:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chemung checklist

message: I removed Shadigee Creek 18.9 sq mi, and added Pipe Creek 73 sq mi, Canasawacta Creek 62 sq mi, and Kelsey Brook 42 sq mi. 
I used the same sources as for Chemung R. above, but was unsure about the Sangerfield River (on SRBC map, couldn't find basin area). Any help appreciate here.
Chesapeake Bay website listed "Center Brook & Talette Creek" at 45 sq mi (Unadilla R tribs) but the USGS maps show these are separate streams with adjoining watersheds, so I did not include them. Similarly Masonville Creek is listed as 40 sq mi, but much of that is Bennetsville Creek watershed. In both cases the basin areas when split have to be under the threshhold. 
I also moved the info from the bottom bar up top to both save a little space and emphasize its importance. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 04:17, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Upper Susquehanna checklist