Talk:Fuck/Archive 3

message: Dunno if it's relevant in this article...Frenchmen also say "va te faire foutre" for "fuck you," "foutre" being the verb "to fuck."  And it's considered extremely vulgar.  I know because I do it all the time.--Pyg 06:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  French usage 

message: Isn't it?
the article is rather long.
i mean how much can you possible say about the word fuck
i think not all of the article should be deleted i read  into it a little bit and i find the first few lines could be informative.
:This article ought to be cleaned up and nominated for Featured Article. Fuck, I can just picture the front page now... - Quirk 21:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I agree featured article status is our goal, fuck yer.Enlil Ninlil 02:59, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  THIS ARTICLE IS TOO FUCKING LONG 

message: *The Quebec French word "tabernacle", meaning the clergical tabernacle, is often used in the same way as "fuck" in English, except in sexual-related usage. It is only used as interjection, noun or adverb. Other Quebecois-french swear words (which are pretty much all of clergical origin) such as "Christ" or "Calice" are much more versatile.
Note that in Quebec French, English swearwords such as Shit and Fuck are considered to be much less vulgar than if used in the same context for an English speaking person. This is also the origin of the stereotype of French people swearing a lot that many English Canadians have. However, the word Tabernacle (pronounced "tabarnak") is considered to be very vulgar, but not more so than Fuck is in English. - 70.24.29.189 03:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: French Translations

message: Reportedly an uncensored use of the word occurred in initial broadcasts of the 2006-07 season premiere of Family Guy on Fox. The story goes that a dubbing error resulted in a use of the word being left unbleeped by mistake in East Coast broadcasts but this was corrected in time for the West Coast broadcast. I read about this on a few newsgroups but obviously there needs to be a more reputable source before adding this to the article. Anyone see any media coverage of this? 23skidoo 13:23, October 4, 2006 (UTC)
:I read somewhere that the episode went uncensored in Canada and that is where these clips of Family Guy came from. I saw the episode in Florida and it did not say "fuck" when I saw it live so I doubt the East Coast theory. Gdo01 18:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is on the episode Petarded, where Brian uses the word twice. I have the dvd box set on which it is uncensored, although it should be said that the box set is rated MA15+ (restricted to 15 yrs or older unless accompanied by an adult) in Australia, unlike the other dvd box sets of the series being rated M15+ (recommended 15 yrs or older). I am not sure whether or not it was censored or not on the TV broadcast of the episode, however as Family Guy is shown at 10:30pm on free-to-air tv, it was most likely uncensored. Spec ops commando 08:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Family Guy usage

message: The "contextual usage" section of the article seems utterly useless to me, and has the feel of a giddy immature "Dude! We can say 'fuck' on the Wiki!" piece to me.  I think it should be taken out.  Comments? - Corporal Tunnel 19:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, to me that section (as well as several other parts of the article) sound like that woefully incorrect "History of the F-Word" video. I've gone ahead and removed ones that are variations (fuck, fuck you, fuck yourself) or are just stupid (fuck the fucking fuckers). Motherfucker and Uncle Fucka are already mentioned in See Also, so I've removed them as well. I'd like to see for fuck's sake, fuckhead, and fucktard go as well, but I don't have an idea as to how widespread they are so I've left them. The fact that an Australian Premier is quoted as using fuckwit was enough to tip the balance toward its inclusion, but only just. Fuck off and fuck up, I think, are both widespread and distinct enough to warrant mention somewhere, if not here. Strad 17:25, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never heard of the phrase "fuckshitdamn". I mean, one could say it but is it really a popular phrase? Tygartl1 17:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, I have heart every other phrase on the list, but not that one. There is an entry on UD for it. I bet it's just a term invented in that high school. --Voidvector 17:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: 17 google hits for the phrase, and I've never heard it either, so I'll change it. --h2g2bob 16:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contextual Usage 

message: Cleanup tag added for:
#Poor quality, in general, of prose. The article devolves into little more than an accumulation of lists toward the end.
#Weasel word language in explanations.
#Inconsistent formatting of sub-sections.
- Davodd 20:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup tag 

message: I am not a linguist, nor do I have verifiable sources to support my opinion.  However, it is my opinion that Fuck is likely to be cognate with the Sanskrit Bhogam and related words, using the following rules Bh -> f, g -> k, final m droppped.  Bhogam is a more "refined" word than fuck, and means bliss or ecstacy, either sexual or religious.  However, derivative words such as sambhogam (vaginal sex), swayambhogam (masturbation) are, for practical purposes, exclusively sexual.  Bhogam also has other cognates which refer to kingship and kingly power, and commanding.  So, in addition to the pleasure and sexual aspect of the word, there is also the power/submission aspect which is present in the word fuck as well.
Of course this could be a false cognate instead of a genuine one.  However, it is perhaps a rather clear false cognate to Indian speakers.  
I am hoping that someone is able to write this up in a way that I cannot, without it being original research.  If not, well, that's the way it goes.  24.91.136.214 11:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sanskrit and Etymology

message: Or, perhaps the term "Use The Fucking Search Engine" belongs too much in an internet-only context. I figured I'd mention it because I can't edit nor am I sure it belongs here. 68.81.198.36 01:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it would probably worth mentioning, if there can be some general consensus as to which variation is most common.  On IRC I've encountered it as TAFSE, being "Try A Fucking Search Engine", and I don't recall seeing the UTSFE version before. - Ugliness Man 12:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: "[try|use] [a|the] fucking search engine" gets a total of 95 returns on Google. That's not nearly enough to warrant any sort of mention. Strad 02:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: 1 - 10 of about 17,100 for utfse is enough IMO. 68.81.198.36 03:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the corporate world, there's also RTFM (Read The Fucking Manual).--SidiLemine 09:38, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did someone forget UTFSE? 

message: First off, Police Quest IV was most definitely NOT the first game to use the word fuck.  A Japanese TurboGrafx-16 game called "Download" released in 1990 used the word one of two random "game over" screens containing english text (the other used "shit") - someone may want to grab an emulator and a screenshot of it for the section, or maybe I will at some point.  It was not released outside of Japan, however, which still makes PQ4 the first fully English release I've heard mentioned.
If someone wants to expand the video game sections more and hopefully make a full list of games containing the word fuck there or on a separate page, here are some others:
Fallout ('97, PC/MAC, infrequent)
Fallout 2 ('98, PC/MAC, frequent)
Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel ('01, PC, Frequent) (I'm not sure if the console game "Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel" does or not)
The Fifth Disciple (PC, '04 in Europe, one use)
The Longest Journey (PC, '00?, maybe oh 5 times) (Again I'm not sure about the sequel)
One other thing that is notable enough to mention is that the Orion Conspiracy game received a Teen rating (as shown on the ESRB's website) despite containing about as much swearing as any other game I've seen.  I'm guessing that's only because that was the *only* potentially offensive content in the game - no real violence, etc.  It does seem the ESRB went by different rules back then, though. 69.85.181.254 21:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Computer/video games 

message: I would appreciate it greatly if there were illustrations or photographs accompanying this article. 207.112.75.207 02:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Suggestions?  --ElKevbo 06:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: As a history buff one of my teachers told us that the word itself was merely the letters from a King's proclamation who lacked sufficient subjects to tax. His proclamation's heading read, Fornucation Under Commandment of the King, or FUCK.
It has been a very long time since I heard this, and do not remember which king.
To me it seems more fesible than all the rest that have come since.
K. Michaelss —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.217.37.156 (talk • contribs) 17:29, November 7, 2006
:No, the various acronyms are popular folk etymologies, but they all date from no earlier than the 1960's and none of them are supported by any actual documentation. -- Vary | Talk 17:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, this false etymology is not only covered in the article itself, but has been mentioned at least twice on this very Talk Page. I mean, for fuck's sake, can people not be bothered to read? 87.112.84.95 00:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

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thread_title:  The word FUCK 

message: The lines here are taken directly from a short clip on the internet about the word "fuck":
In contemporary usage, the versatility of the word is such that it can be used as a transitive verb (he fucks her), intransitive verb (she fucks quite often), noun (he is a silly fuck), adverb (this car won't fucking drive), adverb enhancing an adjective (his dog is fucking crazy), interjection (where the fuck did this come from?), or an exclamation (Fuck!). Fuck is also one of the few words in English commonly used as an infix, as in absofuckinglutely, infuckingcredible, and congratufuckinglations along with several other expletive infixes.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.235.65.20 (talk • contribs) 2 December 2006  (UTC)
:Could you please provide the URL of the site that this quote is taken from, for verification? Hbackman 00:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I heard it as an MP3.  It's been variously attributed to George Carlin, Monty Python and even Adam Sandler (who I think recorded it).  A google search said Jack Wagner who mainly did voice work for Disney did it. Dlodge 01:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The flash video plays fast and loose with the facts, so I've reworded it. The fact that fuck can be used as a derived adverb (i.e. a participle)  is nothing worth noting anyway. Strad 04:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright Infringement 

message: Is this true????: (From the 'Rise of Modern Usage' Section)
:"At midnight on 4 July 1989, the United States launches the Arthur C. Clarke, a missile whose warhead contains eight hundred pounds of freeze-dried semen, aimed at the Andromeda Galaxy."
There's no reference, and it sounds absolutely absurd....
Can someone find a reference? I tried but nothing came up... seems ridiculous...lol Stop The Lies 04:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, thats talking about the short story "The Big Space Fuck" in which "a rocket packed with 'six hundred pounds of frozen jizzum' is fired into space to impregnate Andromeda"  Gdo01 04:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow how embarassing, I didn't bother reading the part before that, thx. Vonnegut I failed you :( Stop The Lies 04:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gift to Aliens: US Semen Missile 

message: It says "Fick nicht mit der Raketenmann" in the article. I am wondering whether this is the correct quotation since it is incorrect German. Correct German would be: "Fick nicht mit dem Raketenmann." However, the correct quotation may as well be incorrect german itself. --85.178.192.190 22:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pynchon, Quotation: Fick nicht ...

message: What about JFGI as an acronym meaning "Just Fucking Google It."  I see it commonly being used on forums and a quick google of it provides a myriad of pages about it.  http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/ being the primary site.  24.63.20.206 02:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: JFGI

message: In the Magic: the Gathering parody expansion Unglued, there is a card called "BFM (Big Furry Monster)".  I haven't played the game for years, but I remember when that set first came out, many players jokingly referred to that card as "Big Fuckin' Monster", or the slightly evasive "Big Futher Mucker".  Not sure if it's worth mentioning in the article, but I figured it was at least worth pointing out here. - Ugliness Man 06:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  B.F.M. 

message: Instead of trying to document all of the various and seemingly unlimited uses of the word, it would be nice if we could just say that use of the word fuck is not held to the same standards and rules as other words in the English language, and the word is used in speech and writing in every way imaginable.  Really, it makes more sense to say that there are no limits to the usage, rather than noting its use as a intransitive, participle, etc... which is just seems ridiculous to me.  Does anybody know of a citable source that refers to this?  We could really cut a lot of crap from this article if we could get rid of that silly and unencyclopedic list of slang uses, which can never be inclusive enough because anyone can just freely make up a new way to use the word.  A source referring to the somewhat anarchic creative usage of the word would greatly help this article. StephenDBoyd 22:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with cutting the slang stuff (and a lot of other stuff) from the article, as most of it is non-notable. But it's not true that you can use fuck in every way imaginable: you couldn't, for example, use it as a quantifier and say Fuck people like apples, while other people like oranges. I can't think of any citations though. Strad 17:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the word

message: I noticed a small error in the "Latin" paragraph. The word facit is not the second person singular, but the third. The second person is facis --87.10.191.209 12:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Strad 17:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor error to be corrected 

message: Just wanted to let folks know that I just placed a Request for Semi-protection at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. This page is a magnet for sophomoric vandalism from anon. IP users, who waste everybody's valuable time. Although I didn't have to waste my own time on the reverts -- thankfully, other editors had already taken care of them! -- I did spend at least 20 minutes posting warning note templates on their talk pages. I was glad to see warning messages on a few of their talk pages that had been posted by the reverting editors -- but a lot of those talk pages had never gotten any warning. So I hope folks will take another minute to leave a warning message after they've finished the revert. (The templates are listed on a page somewhere, sorry I forget the location...) Cgingold 14:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this is an unpopular view, esp. to the hardworking folks who fix the vandalism, but the trend to leave articles like this protected for weeks at a time is very contrary to the wiki spirit of Wikipedia.  I was the one who unprotected the article and I stand by that (I understand if folks' patience wears out and it gets re-protected so I have no qualms with that action either).  While the edits are sophomoric, please do consider another perspective as well - kids find Wikipedia for the first time, look around, inevitably end up at this article (because they're kids), and try actual innocent tests as IPs like this or this.  They say "cool!", revert their own edit like this or this, and then create an account and become productive members of the community.  Or, better yet, an IP adds positive content to this article, like this or this or this and then becomes a productive member of the community.  None of those can happen here while the article is semi-protected.  Like it or not, this is going to be a second or third visit for many future members of Wikipedia and a big lock on the page is not going to be very inviting.  If just one of the five IPs that I mentioned above were turned off Wikipedia forever because of that lock, I think that would be a bigger shame than having to revert goofy vandalism a few times a day.  Food for thought.  —Wknight94 (talk) 15:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually this edit is wrong (though not malicious). Strad 17:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Semi-protection 

message: I personally find it funny that this article has been tagged as "needing cleanup"...
Is that a joke or does the tagger have something in mind that needs to be fixed (encyclopedicly)?
--Eqdoktor 08:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does indeed a cleanup... nothing that Kleenex wouldn't sort out. Suriel1981 07:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funny or serious tag? 

message: This article is now under 32 KB in size. In order to keep it that way, please refrain from adding trivia and lists of non-notable phrases. Strad 23:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congratulations 

message: Coger, ordinarily meaning "to catch, to take, to seize" (or in the sense of agriculture, "to pick, gather, collect, harvest") is usually used. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.100.60.2 (talk) 07:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Spanish? 

message: The correct character for Mandarin Chinese is 肏 not 操.  操 is used to represent the character 肏 by many people as the latter is often hard to write on a computer and only appears in bigger dictionaries.  But actually the pronunciation of the two characters is different 肏 is cào, where 操 is cāo (although it is said cào when representing 肏).  
In addition the Simplified Character 干 is pronounced in two ways: gān and gàn, only gàn means 'Fuck' and is written 幹 in Traditional Chinese. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.159.122.240 (talk) 18:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Chinese - correction needed