Talk:British Rail Class 67

message: There are frequent requests for this article to be re-named.  
 Before making such a request, please read the past discussions 
 at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways.
 Biscuittin (talk) 18:53, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

message: Re added Enthusiast nicknames - not quite sure why it was removed - any comments more than welcome though :) Muchclag 22:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames 

message: In one place the main article says 67004 has cast iron brake blocks, in another it says 67007. Which is it? 
Soarhead77 17:36, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Goodness.  I didn't even know they had internet in Fort William yet! ;-) —Sladen 06:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: According to the BR numbering page they should be in the 40-54 range due to being under 3000hp. Now I'm not sure if there any free numbers but I can't think of a 54 (53 was Falcon) I think the reason would be a useful addition to the page. Talltim (talk) 11:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The numbers go up I think - wouldnt create a new loco, and call it class 38, for example would you?! ACBestDog and Bone 14:42, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  But yes you could and in fact just before privatisation there were plans for a class 38. The number ranges denote the power ratings. Talltim (talk) 15:42, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The numbering system is down to where there are gaps on TOPS - for example when the Class 66 appeared many people assumed that they would become 'Class 61' but there were, IIRC, DMU trailers in the 61XXX range so this couldn't happen as TOPS cannot have duplicated numbers. So as the Skips followed the Sheds, they became Class 67. Hope that helps! Zozzie 9t9 (talk) 19:17, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone know why they are numbered 67s? 

message: Is the power output 2980 or 3200bhp? The two data panels contradict eachother...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.31.171 (talk) 22:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Found and included a fact sheet from the manufacturers (see article) - 3200hp for the engine. No 'at rail' figure found as yet.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by FengRail (talk • contribs) 22:14, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power Output 

message: The driving cabs of the Class 67 have a much more spacious cab than the Class 66 locomotives.
Possibly the cabs are more modern, don't think 'more spacious' is right in any sense.FengRail (talk) 22:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: removal

message: Can anyone fix the missing dates and clarification requests in the article. Is there a source that can be used for the working information - www.class67.co.uk doesn't have it.87.102.67.84 (talk) 15:25, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: fix article

message: As per request - referenced article.
Some info was removed, some could be found. For the record this block of text may contain information that would be useful if it can be verified. (Please note some of it is already in the article)
By mid-2000, the class had replaced the Class 47s on most mail trains.
In mid-2003, EWS lost the mail contract. There was a gradual phasing out of mail trains, with TPO services ending on 9 January 2004, and normal mail services a few months later. Therefore, the Class 67s largely became redundant, despite being only five years old. They then replaced the Class 47s on GNER "Thunderbird" duties, and following the loss of passenger traffic the last were withdrawn in mid-2004. The Class 67s also started to see increased use on freight trains, often in pairs. They are often used on charter services. The winter months saw their use top-and-tailing rail treatment trains, removing leaves and ice from the tracks. During the summer of 2004, several were hired to Virgin Trains for weekend relief services between the North East and the South Coast.
From 28 April 2008 until 28 January 2011, the open-access passenger operator Wrexham & Shropshire ran trains hauled by Class 67 locomotives. Train services between  and  began on the 28 April 2008 using Mk3 coaching stock hired from rolling stock operator Cargo-D and using Class 67 locomotives operating top and tail pending delivery of Mark 3 Driving Van Trailers (DVTs) modified to work with the Class 67s. Delivery of three refurbished Mk3 DVTs allowed 100% push-pull train operation to commence in late October 2008 using the four dedicated WSMR locomotives, nos. 67012/13/14/15; as well as being painted in the silver livery these have had remote fire-fighting equipment fitted that can be operated from the DVT. When replaced by other members of the class, a driver has to ride in the locomotive when propelling in case of emergency.
First ScotRail have run one service  per day at peak times on the Fife Circle Line with EWS Mk2 coaches hauled by a Class 67 (usually anything but those with Radio Electric Token equipment installed) since December 2008, this was increased to two in December 2009. The locomotive and coaching stock are based at EWS Millerhill depot throughout the day where they are cleaned and refuelled.
First Great Western made significant use of Class 67s and EWS-owned Mk2 coaches during 2007 and 2008. These were used on a Saturdays-only summer working from Bristol to Weymouth, additional services to Rugby during events in Cardiff, special trains from Paddington to the Cheltenham races and extra workings to Castle Cary for the Glastonbury festival.
On 15 December 2008, First Great Western introduced a Monday - Friday diagram employing two Class 67 locomotives operating in top and tail mode between Taunton and Cardiff. The routes operated for FGW are between Bristol, Taunton, Weston Super Mare and Cardiff. On 14 December 2009 First Great Western started a Monday - Friday diagram employing two Class 67 locomotives operating in top and tail mode between Paignton and Cardiff. In July 2010 FGW replaced their Class 57 loco hauled service with Class 67s, this was due to the lack of reliability of Class 57 had.
As of Friday 12th November 2010 all FGW loco hauled diagrams finnished.
In 2009, for the autumn leaf fall season, DB Schenker Class 67 no. 67004 is being used on the Inverness railhead treatment circuit. In previous years this route was operated by DRS Class 66 locomotives.
*Royal train
Two locomotives, nos. 67005 and 67006 were repainted in the Royal Claret colour scheme for hauling the prestigious Royal Train, replacing the two previous Class 47 locomotives. In 2004, 67029 was repainted in "Executive Silver" livery for hauling the EWS Company Train. These locos are not exclusively dedicated to such duties; they are also seen on more routine freight duties.
On 12 October 2007, 67029 was dedicated Royal Diamond at Rugeley Trent Valley for the diamond anniversary of the marriage of HM Queen Elizabeth II and HRH The Duke of Edinburgh.
*Sleeper trains
EWS Class 67 locomotives are used by First ScotRail to haul their Caledonian Sleeper services over non-electrified routes under contract; the "Highland Sleeper" services to and from Aberdeen, Inverness and, since June 2006, Fort William. They replaced haulage by Class 37 locomotives, although the latter were still occasionally used on the Fort William service until the end of 2006. Since the Class 67 has a higher axle loading than the Class 37, it is subject to speed restrictions on parts of this route and journey times have been slightly increased, despite a higher power/weight ratio.
When operations began on the West Highland line sleepers in 2006, Class 67s experienced severe brake problems, with replacements of the brake blocks needed at one point after virtually every trip. To remedy this, EWS nominated five locomotives - 67004/07/09/11/30 - as a dedicated pool to be used on the Fort William sleeper and fitted them with cast iron brake blocks. This has meant a restriction in top speed to ; this does not affect performance or timings on any part of the route between Edinburgh and Fort William.
The five locomotives have also been fitted with the necessary RETB equipment to enable them to operate on the line.
In particular references for, and dates for the beginning and ending of major service patterns are what is needed most. Thanks.213.249.245.75 (talk) 14:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference article

message: As per British Rail Class 66 - ie locomotives introduced after British Rail ceased to exist .. unlike British Rail Class 66 I can't think of an obvious common name to use - most places appear to use just "Class 67" which is too vague. Any ideas?Sf5xeplus (talk) 14:06, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How about Class 67 (British diesel locomotive) ? Biscuittin (talk) 18:12, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: UK RSL Class 67 seems concise and accurate, although I did vote for status quo when the wider debate took place. I doubt there's much support for moving away from the current convention until the UK railway operators adopt a new classification system. Which would need far to much co-operation than they can currently muster. (NB 67s are Spanish not British) Railwayfan2005 (talk) 20:54, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree on two counts. (1) it's Britain, not UK, because Northern Ireland has a separate railway system. (2) I don't know what RSL stands for - it isn't even clear that it's a railway locomotive. Biscuittin (talk) 22:03, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: When I said "British diesel locomotive" I meant that it works in Britain, not that it was built in Britain. We can hardly go for "Class 67 (Spanish diesel locomotive)" and "Class 66 (Canadian diesel locomotive)".  Biscuittin (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

text: To avoid duplication, I suggest we continue this discussion at Talk:British Rail Class 66. Biscuittin (talk) 07:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed title

message: This article is currently named in accordance the Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Railways naming conventions for British rolling stock allocated a TOPS number. A proposal to change this convention and/or its scope is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#Naming convention, where your comments would be welcome.
:This debate was closed on 20 March 2011. Biscuittin (talk) 22:29, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: But a separate debate about Class 66 and Class 67 is continuing. Biscuittin (talk) 18:10, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible change to the title of this article

message: There is a discussion about possible use of Class 67s to haul IEP trains "beyond the wires" at Talk:Intercity_Express_Programme#Where_are_the_engines.3F Biscuittin (talk) 16:02, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intercity Express Programme 

message: The article makes a number of claims
*67029 was fitted with TDM - also seems to say that the company train used TDM not AAR for push pull control. See also Talk:DB_Schenker_Company_Train#Facts - it seems this is wrong
*Also claims that 67018 was painted CN red not DB Schenker Red  quote "Contrary to some reports, this shade of red is not that of DB Schenker but rather that used by Canadian National "- this hasn't been verified either way
The writer seems to work for the railway - so it's not clear why the TDM info seems to be wrong - maybe there is more to it? I've moved the link for this article to external links.Mddkpp (talk) 14:36, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Skips for hire - innacurate? (maybe?)

message: removed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_Class_67&diff=487859347&oldid=487858986
No reference wp:VERIFY, no dates, only covers current liveries WP:recentism. Contains unencyclopedic terms eg "EWS Thunderflash". Probably not maintainable. May be cruft. Oranjblud (talk) 16:57, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: List of liverys

message: May be a good idea to merge these two sections, since there is beginning to be a lot of duplication between the two. Could call it "operational history" or similar? Oranjblud (talk) 23:00, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Operators and liveries and names

message: revert http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Rail_Class_67&diff=493881368&oldid=493868078
The issue here is that the reference give has two references to class 67's 
* From December 2011, the Class 175 train will be replaced by a Class 67 locomotive with carriages similar to those used on Y Gerallt Gymro,
* There will be a new contract for the Class 67 locomotives from mid-December.
Neither of which confirm anything in the article.Oranjblud (talk) 20:49, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Arriva trains Wales

message: It has been pointed out that the  information I added was wrong about the W&SR locomotives being operated in EWS livery - the source http://www.icrs.org.uk/Site/Features/wrexham_shropshire.htm is not 100% clear on when the loco's were repainted, this needs a better source.
Information about 67010 is also missing.Oranjblud (talk) 13:11, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: W&SR livery dates

message: The wnxx sourced info needs better references - the site is not accessible, and it's reliability is unclear, also the same for a link to a facebook page..
If someone can read the info maybe they can sort it out and find something better?Prof.Haddock (talk) 01:30, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: wnxx

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