Talk:Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech

message: I cleaned this page up, and so removed the clean-up tag.  Friejose 17:35, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Back in April 2007, Dan Schwartz `88 added the following:
It's really funny, but unless you have a source for that, it's not going into the article. Wikipedia is not a place for something you made up one day. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 21:32, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unofficial 4th verse 

message: I've passed this article as a GA; it's well-referenced, well-written, stable and the images have appropriate tags and source information. My only suggestion would be to expand the lead to two paragraphs (perhaps include notable renditions?). CloudNine 13:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bah. I hate writing leads. While you're thinking about it, are there any additional changes that would be proposed in a FAC? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 14:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Passed GA

message: Concerning removal of lyrics and the Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Fight songs. And while I agree mostly with the consensus that is reached in this discussion that articles about Fight Songs should not consist solely of lyrics, and especially not include lyrics that are not within the public domain, I disagree about the "consensus" reached on the lyrics.  The "consensus" about not including lyrics in any article imposes additional conditions on a subset of articles that does not exist as an overall policy.  WP:NOT#LYRICSs states: "the article may not consist solely of the lyrics" and never bans including lyrics that are in the public domain.  It risks violating the following principle: "Does the proposed page contradict any existing guidelines or policies? If so, it should not be promoted to guideline or policy status."  Including lyrics is not only convenient to the reader, but seems necessary to grasp a full understanding of the song's meaning and place in the culture of the university.  It is also necessary in the discussion of the development and change of the lyrics over time, such as in the case with the Previous adaptations section of this article.  How can you talk about previous adaptations without first listing the current lyrics?   Since this article has passed GA status with the lyrics included, it seems inappropriate that lyrics should be removed when considering their place in the article as a whole. It appears this discussion on Fight Song lyrics should be reopened. CrazyPaco (talk) 19:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:NOT#LYRICS states "Source texts generally belong on WikiSource. Excerpts of lyrics may be used within an article for the purpose of direct commentary about them."  This article should have a link to WikiSource for the lyrics.  I agree that an excerpt here for context would be a good idea, but not the whole song. NJGW (talk) 20:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not problem with removing the lyrics to WikiSource, if that is done first so there is clear access to the lyrics for readers, but the article may also need to be written in a way that would direct the reader to that link. Clearly this article has been well reviewed in the past with the inclusion of the lyrics, which would have not achieved GA status if it was in violation of any policy. I think the discussion and consensus on fight song lyrics (which I myself find very dubious) is unfortunate because of articles like this one that clearly benefit from the lyrics being right in the article and does not violate any Wikipedia policy. Not only that, but portions of the song are wikilinked to provide additional information on the context of the specific lyrics.  Nowhere does any wikipedia policy state that lyrics should not be included in an article, full lyrics or not.  The policy is there to prevent wikipedia from becoming something like a lyrics database (e.g. ) and to prevent copyright violations.  This is not what is happening with articles such as this one which isn't even close to solely consisting of lyrics . This is also an issue for the Hail to Pitt article that includes discussion of the lyrics as they have changed over time, as well as lyrics to songs or poems that have been painstakingly collected from historical sources to give an overall history of musical pageantry at the school that don't necessarily warrant separate entries into Wikisource.  I do agree that articles should not consist solely of lyrics, as that is official policy, and there are many articles that are problematic that you are going after, but I think you need to slow down to give people time to discuss and improve the individual articles.  There are many editors and even administrators that have worked on the articles you are essentially removing, and tagging the song articles for merge is a better way to go about it and gives them incentive to flush out more information for the article.  IMO, it is less disruptive and better etiquette and there is no need to be in such a hurry to accomplish what you are trying to do. CrazyPaco (talk) 20:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

text: That's a guideline, not a rule. I made a special effort to explain the relevance of particular passages of the lyrics with various sources, especially concerning the evolution of the song. While it doesn't fit as nicely as I would like, the article is incomplete without the lyrics present. Also note (not that anyone is assuming otherwise) that the lyrics are clearly public domain. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 06:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It would seem WP:SONG#LYRICS also disagrees with the necessity of removing the lyrics, as well as WP:SONG#LYRICS and the WP:FA review of articles such as Dixie. Lyrics should be restored immediately. CrazyPaco (talk) 05:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyrics

message: Moving this unsourced content to the talk page until a source is found. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 18:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Underwater Demolition Teams

message: The link verifying the chants at the end of the song no longer works, I believe that The Technique changed its archive address, as I've found that many of the links I have come across for the paper lead to nothing, both on wikipedia and on various blogs that talk about or reference the paper.
I also would like to state that prior to the use of the chant "Fight! Win! Drink! Get Naked!" at the end of the song, the chant was first "Go! Fight! Win!", which eventually was shortened to "Fight! Win!" following the third "Go Jackets!". 
I don't know why it was shortened, or when the shift happened, I just know that when I first learned the song there were three distinct parts to the chant at the end: "Go! Fight! Win!". The Band did release an album during the 1998 season (recorded earlier the same year) and for their recording of the Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech, they included the "Fight! Win!" version (ommitting the "Go!"). In conversing with older graduates/fans many have confirmed the use of GO!.
I understand if you choose to not mention the 3-part chant as it would be based off of the word of one person ( I will be on the look-out for a source confirming this).
Regardless the wording needs to be changed for this part of the article, for as it reads now it states that "Go Jackets!" is repeated three times and followed by "Go Jackets! Fight! Win!",in other words the article says "Go Jackets!" was chanted four times, prior to the student body's introduction of "Fight! Win! Drink! Get Naked!" (which makes it seem like they only say "Go Jackets!" three times). It is important to note that not everyone chants the "Drink! Get Naked!" part at the end, most finish with "Win!" while the student body and others (its mainly recited by the younger crowd, but I have noticed that, when things are going well on the field the older fans will join in) add in the "Drink! Get Naked!". I suggest saying the Student section eventually added "Drink! Get Naked!" to the "Fight! Win!". And removing the "Go Jackets!" from the "Go Jackets! Fight! Win!" to prevent it from sounding like it is said 4 times at the end.
And finally, the "Bust their ass!" response to "Go Jackets!" is relatively new as well, it was started by the student section as well, I remember first hearing it shouted around 2004 or 2005, it may have started a few years prior to then but it was definitely not in use during the 90s. It should be noted in the article that it has not always been apart of the "Go Jackets!" chant following the song.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iceman87GT (talk • contribs) 02:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Defense! Bust their ass!" was definitely in use 1978-1983. 2600:1700:C1A0:1DF0:6891:931A:89C7:2DA (talk) 03:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
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