Talk:University of Pennsylvania

message: The notice at the top of the page says this thing is too long for an article, so how should we address it? I say we spin the "History" section off into its own page - it's been done before with the History of Harvard University and History of Columbia University
TehSausCabe (talk) 22:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Does Student Life and Athletics need to be included in the main article? It currently reads as if these are not ordinary available at other universities. A brief overview might be more helpful here. (X is part of Y conference and has x amount of women and x amount of men sports. For more information on sports, click here) Wozal (talk) 23:41, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Student Life and athletics are sections in the other peer universities OneMoreByte (talk) 14:39, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Since there didn't seem to be any real opposition to this, I did separate out the History into its own article.  Wikipedian339 (talk) 21:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Separating out the history section is fine by me, just remember to leave attribution in your edit summary when copying, as I have laid out on your talk page. The history article you created needs a lead to be written for it as well. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the info! Wikipedian339 (talk) 04:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: How should we split this thing up?

message: This section includes a cleanup tag for "academic boosterism." Does this section need to be rewritten? Jarble (talk) 19:06, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Jarble Not only does the section need to be rewritten, but it needs to be shortened significantly; some parts of it last time I checked read like a college brochure, which is WP:PROMOTION. GuardianH (talk) 19:27, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Academic boosterism" 

message: I edit via my phone as I access via my phone. When I use my phone it is helpful to have the images present themselves close to where the body is discussing the image. When I placed the image on such locations certain  editors who edit via PC revert. I defer to the Wiki as to whether editors should assume reader is. Accessing via mobile device such as a phone or PC. 
I welcome all guidance OneMoreByte (talk) 05:02, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images:Mobile vs. PC and Impact on Readsr 

message: I added this information to the article in the controversies section. I sourced it with references to the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times. I didn't change the infobox other than to add a reference by Magill's name. I wasn't sure how much detail regarding the circumstances, so there are just a few sentences. Others might want to rephrase, as I made these additions in a hurry. FeralOink (talk) 10:26, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: i think her resignation was not yet in effect is why someone else deleted it. Thanks for being a Wikipedia editor OneMoreByte (talk) 14:37, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magill and Board of Trustees resignations 

message: How do we make sections? I thought by adding ==Section Caption== a section would be created. Am I missing a step? 
Athletic and Student Life used to be sections and now they are not.
Thanks
== OneMoreByte (talk) 14:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: On my setup, they show fine as section headings. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. Are you trying to demote a header to subsection level?   signed, Willondon (talk)  15:28, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for replying. I read another response that there is common headings used for most universities so have deferred to the Wiki OneMoreByte (talk) 06:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting 

message: Regarding your edit summary here: the article is still over 11k words despite having lost the history section. WP:SS indicates that "50 kilobytes of readable prose (8,000 words) is the starting point at which articles may be considered too long. Articles that go above this have a burden of proof that extra text is needed to efficiently cover their topics and that the extra reading time is justified." That hasn't happened here, and the level of detail provided is in excess of what is needed to provide a high-level overview of the subject (eg. library addresses). As to boosterism, significant portions of the article read like a school brochure ("Penn basketball is steeped in tradition", "Penn was also the cradle of other significant developments" etc). See also GuardianH's point above regarding the religious section. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point about the unnecessary and non-exceptionary content  I agree the article is too long in some aspects, but as we just cut down one of the largest sections by a tenth I don't think we still need the tag broadcasting to everyone who comes here that the article is too long, as I think we should only really have the tag when the length is over the breaking point (15,000 words per WP:SIZERULE). The academic boosterism tag is fine, and I see your point, I just wanted clarification over what the actual problem was as it initially seemed you were adding back the tag just to add it back. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 02:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, appreciate that. Given that there are multiple sections to which  would apply, I'd suggest it would appropriate to have that as an article-level tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Length and neutrality

message: Since this page is still running a bit on the long side, I was looking for ways it could maybe be shorter. It seems the rugby section is particularly long and some of the other sports have their own pages.
I don't know if anyone is in agreement and passionate about rugby and maybe wants to separate it out? I initially tried, but got a warning that some of the sources in the rugby section were flagged as self-promotion. I didn't feel I knew quite enough about rugby or article creation to go it alone, so I'm stepping back, but just pointing this out in case this is up anyone's alley!  Wikipedian339 (talk) 05:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giving Penn Quakers Rugby Its Own Page?