Talk:Northern Renaissance

message: To me this article seems more focused on talking about the renaissance in general. It doens't list many things having that singularly have to deal with the Northern Renaissance. 67.85.76.255 02:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for removing the nonsense (which had only been there 3 hours, btw).  The article is pretty poor, but I don't really agree the Northern Renaissance is "more focused on innovations in science, technology, religion and philosophy".  Erasmus is mentioned in the lead, as is the Reformatiuon as a whole, & Newton is certainly too late to be Renaissance. But others are missing. Johnbod (talk) 22:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Focus?

message: I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough to edit this article, but it seems a bit odd to say that the Northern Renaissance painters were influenced by the Protestant Reformation when most of those mentioned were old men or even dead when Luther or Calvin were born. Maybe one could say that they were influenced by the sentiments eventually leading to the Protestant Reformation? Junes 09:41, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Influence of Reformation

message: The opening paragraph is highly subjective.  The Renaissance developed throughout Europe allotropically; Northerners didn't depend on the Italians so much as suggested.  I changed the first sentence.
Onyourkeaster 01:42, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: First off I have no idea what the word allotropically means, and neither do any of my dictionaries so I don't think it should be used in the encyclopedia. Also I don't think your statement is correct. The links are in many cases quite clear. The French Renaissance began with the direct import of Renaissance art and artists from Italy. In Germany, many of the early leaders of the German Renaissance were those who had traveled to Italy to study, and brought these ideas home. - SimonP 01:56, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Influence of Italy

message: Why are there articles about the renaissance in France, Germany, England and Poland but not about Burgundy and the Low Countries? Culturally this region was at least as important. Does anyone agree or disagree? Shall we create this article or does anything similar exist already? I don't find much about culture in articles such as Duchy of Burgundy, Burgundian Netherlands, Seventeen Provinces, Low Countries etc. There will be more than enough material though. Piet 11:45, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this is are a major gap in our coverage, especially the lack of an article on the Low Countires, which were quite central to the Northern Renaissance. - SimonP 15:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I am starting a Draft. Feel free to work on it. Piet 10:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There, it's finished. In the end I decided on Renaissance in the Netherlands after all. Piet 22:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burgundy/Low Countries 

message: "The creation of the printing press also encouraged authors to write in the local vernacular rather than in the classical languages of Greek and Latin . . ."
How, exactly, did it encourage this? It's completely unclear what about the printing press made people want to write in the vernacular. Bertieismyho 19:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Printing press / vernacular 

message: In Outline: "The slow demise of feudalism also weakened a long-established policy in which church officials helped keep the population of the manor under control in return for tribute." Does anyone have a source or more info on this? 71.198.180.224 03:40, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population Control 

message: firstly, France is not situated in northern Europe!!...  
The history of renaissance (and its expression) in France has nothing to see with what it have been later in northern Europe.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.224.59.166 (talk) 22:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: French renaissance

message: Why are half of the pictures on this page of Polish architecture when the "Polish Renaissance" has its own page (on which those pictures are repeated)? The lead implies that it doesn't make sense to lump Poland in with the rest of Northern Europe in this context because of the direct transfer of the Renaissance to Poland by Italian artists. What gives?--66.65.150.93 (talk) 15:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures of Poland? 

message: Here as elsewhere is the traditional assertion of a particular point of view: that the Northern Renaissance was more or less the spread of the Italian Renaissance north (rudely put, but clearly there). There are references to the Italian influence throughout this article.
This is an increasingly debated point, and the argument of "presentism" against seems to have some weight. But the debate is beside the point. A better expression of the two movements is to describe the particular character of the Northern Renaissance without continual reference to the Italian in almost every sentence. At the end, or at least in only one place, the influences between the two are worth a separate item. 
As it sits, this article says not enough about the particular character of the Northern, and too much about the Italian.
--174.7.33.239 (talk) 00:31, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much talk of the Italian influence