Talk:Poupée de cire, poupée de son

message: I'm seeing several examples of weasel words (e.g. "entirely different") and uncited material. I'll clean up the ones I find, but if you see any outstanding examples, please either fix them or add clean up tags. 
As a general note, I want to mention I'm finding many of the wiki entries on French 60s pop in English are in need of pretty drastic cleaning up. Anyone contributing, please remember to only add things you've come across from a reliable source, and not opinions or observations. 
Of course, these are the basic rules/guidelines on Wiki, but I feel the need to make a special plea since I'm finding there to be an unusually large amount of non-Wiki compliant material in just one body of related articles. There's not a lot of info in English on this music/era, so it's a shame when some of the only info put out there is full of errors and hearsay. At the very least, please add clean-up tags to any inadequate articles so readers can be notified they're not reading a reliable article.-Spikedcandy 11:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've only had a quick skim, but it seems like a significant improvement. You've done an excellent job of reworking some of the info already there into something more relevant and neutral. So far, I agree the tags don't need to be there anymore. -Spikedcandy 02:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up needed 

message: *'Non-ballad' is not a word; I rewrote this sentence. Actually, I thought on the Congratulations special, they said it was new for such an uptempo song to be entered at all, not just win. They mentioned that this had a lasting influence on the types of songs that were subsequently added. I didn't add this because of not having the reference, but if someone, this could be a good point to add.
**This might be a matter of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" (or "ballad - I don't know what it is, but I know it when I hear it") but wouldn't Een Beetje have been the first song to win ESC (1959) that was not a ballad? While all the other winning songs before 1965 I would agree are very much ballads, I find it hard to classify Een Beetje as one. It's on everyone's favourite video streaming website if you want to check it out. I'm not sure enough of myself to edit the main article. Tmo793 (talk) 05:39, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Forgot to sign above - that was me. And just to clarify, the 'non-ballad' sentence wasn't too bad, but I thought "first non-ballad" was a slightly clunky way of saying a ballad hadn't won before. "First non-(something)" seems incorrect somehow; defining an achievement by a negative. It would probably pass if the "non-(something)" word was itself a defined, common term, but simply adding non in front of a noun seems a bit colloquial, hence why I said "non-ballad is not a word". - Spikedcandy 09:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes made, more needed

message: Are the lyrics really "pour un oui, pour un nom"? Is this confirmed? To me it sounds and looks definitely like "pour un oui, pour un non". Nieske 12:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know that this is confirmed.  Just a quick google search shows about equal proportions of "nom" and "non" versions of the lyrics online.  I can't find any lyrics version online that is more of a primary source than any other (in fact they all strike me as being copies of something else).  French pronunciation experts, is there any difference at all between the pronunciation of "non" and "nom"?  My impression (as a non-French speaker) is there is no difference at all or the difference is very subtle.  Bhugh 03:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is no difference in pronunciation between these words. French doesn't have any syllable final nasal consonants, only vowels! 'Mon propre role' has 'pour un nom' but 'l'integrale et caetera' has 'pour un non,' so even 'official sources disagree, though since 'mon propre role' was supposedly looked over by Gainsbourg I'd say 'pour un nom' is pretty much official.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.42.211 (talk) 16:55, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Strictly speaking this isn't true of the standard dialect of French spoken in Paris, ie bon/bonne where bonne ends with /n/. But even in Paris no difference is made between `non' and `nom'.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.48.138.32 (talk) 17:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

text: This is not really homophonic, as to a French person ″blonds″ /blɔ̃/ sounds differently than ″blancs″ /blɑ̃/. —195.145.144.134 (talk) 08:41, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics 

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