Talk:Pinoy Big Brother: Celebrity Edition 2

message: In the external links, is that really the official multiply account for pbb? Mukha kasing hindi. Please add some source, citation, or reference for that one. Thanks. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.213.95.62 (talk • contribs) 
:I removed as per WP:EL. --Howard the Duck 17:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Next time when you write, make sure the language that you will use is in English because some can't understand Filipino Language.Dehm46 03:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage of the language 

message: Kindly correct the grammatical slips that can be found on some of the housemates' descriptions. Lack of words such as "the", "a" and the like are missing. Thank you. ~~Aian  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.38.51.134 (talk) 03:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammatical Slips 

message: I keep on editing myself because of the fact that Wikipedia policies state that the article should not be a recap of the show. Thus, the use of HEADMASTER is canon, for it is the proper term used in Pinoy Dream Academy (PDA). We should use terms that are being used by a TV show in question for it to be valid. 
Saying that "Dean's Lister" was the one used in the premiere is NOT a valid reason to use the term. Aeron Valderrama 12:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of PROPER or CANON terms 

message: I have an idea. To prevent cluttering, especially when the Geisler Brothers and Jen & Marylaine are nominated, let's use a code instead of their names. I suggest "B & D" or "Geisler" for the Geisler brothers and either "J & M" or "26K" for Jen and Marylaine. We may use these codes tonight and they will stand until we reach a decision here. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 11:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just use "the Geislers." --Howard the Duck 11:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But how about Jen and Marylaine? I suggested either "J & M" or "26K," but do you have any input? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 13:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can call them the Deal or No Deal models. Not everyone knows what "26K" is. But since "Deal or No Deal models" has more characters than "Jen & Marylaine," I suggest to just use "Jen & Marylaine" or even "Jen/Marylaine" for the two. --Howard the Duck 13:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess we'll just use "J & M" for the two then, since "Jen/Marylaine" at the very least may be a little bit overcrowded. Either way, a note will be written on the codes in the info. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 13:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "J & M" is too informal for an encyclopedia. Does Marylaine has a nick? Then you can use "Jen & <Marylaine's nickmame>." --Howard the Duck 13:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So far, Marylaine doesn't indicate that she has a nickname. So we can't say. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 13:53, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do other Big Brother series have precedents. We can imitate on what they did here. --Howard the Duck 14:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well... Secret Story has triplets Cyrielle, Johanna and Marjorie and in its nomination table, "The triplets" is used. Twins who compete in several editions, such as Big Brother Australia 2005, use a common name, such as  David and Greg Mathew, who are known as "Logan" until the revelation. But we know Jen and Marylaine aren't twins, they just have the same professional background. Once again, we can't say. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 14:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not DOND models? 26K is still too informal for me. --Howard the Duck 14:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, we should be conssitent with the use of letters. Since we used A for J&M in the infobox, and B for the Geislers, then A & B should also refer to the corresponding 2-in-1 in the nominations table. Aeron Valderrama 08:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Modified the infobox to be consistent with the nomination table. After all, Baron was introduced first before Marylaine, even if the connection between her and Jen was revealed first. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 11:22, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2-in-1 Housemate in Nominations Table 

message: Can someone help me fixed the notes?
The note in the nominations table once clicked refers to the note on the weekly task.Aeron Valderrama 02:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I have fixed (somehow). I don't have time to expand this so try it out and tell me what you think. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 03:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes 

message: The HOH and forced eviction look very similar... --Howard the Duck 15:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No they aren't. Bright yellow is for the HoH, pink, if I'm not mistaken is for forced eviction. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Voluntary exit = pink. The forced eviction looks like my sig color. --Howard the Duck 15:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, the infobox is a standard template applied on all Big Brother versions. I suggest you tell your grievances at WP:BIGBRO. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the color gray used though? Perhaps it can be quickly fixed bypassing the Wikiproject as this is quite a little matter, as long as gray isn't used. --Howard the Duck 16:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, the infobox template must be changed. We can't just change the colors for the code "hoh" here and the template can't just be bypassed. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:35, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But it is a teeny weeny part of the infobox - and I suspect there won't be any collateral damage if the change is done - therefore we can bypass the WikiProject; not every change has to be done via the Wikiproject, especially minor ones as this one. --Howard the Duck 17:15, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NO, you cannot bypass the WikiProject. And you need to change your PC settings if the colors look the same to you, because they are not the same. Aeron Valderrama 03:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? Is this of the outmost importance? If this will cause collateral damage, that's the time I'll inform the Wikiprojects, in this case there is none. And I never said they looked "the same." In colored legends, the colors shouldn't be mistaken for another (unless they have similar functions), ergo, if there's a yellow hue, you can't use another yellow hue, even light orange. Clearly the HOH and forced evictees aren't similar. --Howard the Duck 04:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK< if you want to ask for change of colors used tell you it to WP:BIGBRO, OK. Aeron Valderrama 02:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Changes that are done to the Infoboxes affect all Big Brother articles since each article like Big Brother 2007 (UK) and Big Brother 4 (US) are two of many for example. You can't simply bypass the Wikiproject as we will revert the templates back to the form that was agreed upon. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 22:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But there'll be no collateral damage. --Howard the Duck 04:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually there will be damage if you change a color in the Infobox then we have to change that color in the various Nomination/Voting History tables in all Big Brother articles. The decision was made to have the tables and the infobox match in color so there would be less confusion for a person who is new to Wikipedia. Please see my archived discussions on WP:BIGBRO and Big Brother 8 (US) about this matter. So if you change a color in the infobox then we have to go through every Big Brother article that has a Nominations/Voting History table and change that color as well. (And there are a lot of pages that have housemates that were removed forcefully.) ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 23:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think so. Houseguests have a set interval. That's why there are not listed. Let the section speak for itself. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. If the section is enough, then I guess it would be ok then. The section does include all the "special" tasks of the houseguests right?Lord Belly: TV Geek (talk) 15:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only a few, but mentioning that they have tasks in the first place is also enough to keep the article short (we're all concerned with article size here). - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

text: As far as I know, "dela" is not part of a Spanish surname, so even if her surname is "dela Merced," it is still ordered at M. That goes also for "de Leon," "delos Santos," etc. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See  (example of use; and it's sister, ). The "de" or "dela" or "delos" is part of the surname. --Howard the Duck 16:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But how about order? Where should Gaby belong, before Will or after Gladys? All I know is that even if "de" or "dela" is part of a surname, it is disregarded when surnames are ordered alphabetically. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken a peek at my teacher's class records before and those with surnames that have a "de" are listed before the letter E. However, it seems that on sorting categories, the "de" is used as it is a part of the given name (but it is very inconsistent). I've tried looking around for articles that have alphabetical lists that have people with a "de" surnames but I haven't found any. --Howard the Duck 16:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox colors 

message: Or "all"? --Howard the Duck 17:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, only important ones. I don't even include the "Pinoy Big Balita" into the mix and you will notices some Days missing. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 01:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like a day per week? Also some days are listed more than once. We really need to pick which is encyclopedia-material and which is fansite-material. --Howard the Duck 09:51, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The article was deleted. --Howard the Duck 23:40, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronology of "important" events 

message: In the fourth paragraph of the subtopic Week 6, there's a statement that says "...especially when Mcoy was offended by the "fact" that the script was similar to the story Ghost of August Mayford". I disagree that Mcoy's alleged plagiarism is a matter of fact. It's simply an allegation, not a fact. I watched both the November 22nd Über and Primetime episodes twice (via downloaded episodes), and I found out that Will and Ethel read and compared the book and Mcoy's script (as instructed by Big Brother), and they confirmed that the two stories are indeed different. Also, Mcoy repeatedly said that the script is not even an adaptation, despite earlier statements said by Victor to Ethel.
Because of this, I will change the word "fact" into "allegation" in the paragraph.
-- 122.53.141.244 (talk) 20:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Mcoy's alleged plagiarism 

message: Hey, I am proposing a change to the sidebars used in the UK, US, Australian, and Philippines articles. You can see my discussion at the talk page of WP:BIGBRO. I have only applied the new style to the UK sidebar and my sandbox has what the Australian, US, and Philippines sidebars would look like with the new style in that order. The new style is a cleaner, more organized style and separates the presenters from the shows. Since I don't know that much about Pinoy Big Brother could someone look over the example sidebar in my sandbox to make sure I have the information correct. Thanks. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 10:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's cleaner, alright. But the presenters section does not indicate which presenter hosts which show. Maybe, it's up to context, in my opinion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nanami Kamimura (talk • contribs) 12:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made a change for Pinoy Big Brother sidebar in my sandbox. The current presenters have the show they are currently hosting under their name. For former shows we can link each show to its section on the main article and in the section for the show like "Big Brother UpLate" we can list all the presenters.♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 21:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

text: And another reason that the presenters don't include the shows they host is because like in the UK or AU versions they have a presenter doing multiple shows a season. And in the section that describes the show the host is usually named along with past hosts. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 21:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinoy Big Brother sidebar 

message: Aren't we gonna do something about this? The tag was supplied there for a reason and it seems that each day this article grew longer and longer. Can we split the Chronology section (obviously, its the one taking much of the space) into a sub article?, or maybe chop some parts of it. MFGV.3 15:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we shorten the sentences to just bullets? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article can be shortened if the nomination table is placed in a template... other than that, all events that had nothing to do with the week's task can be removed. --Howard the Duck 15:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If were going to remove the events that has nothing to do with the task, it goes without saying the removal of the "important" events section since the weekly task section contains  it all. MFGV.3 15:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We also have to include the HOH competitions and unexpected exits, too. You can't just cull everything. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is so, we have a major work on summarizing most of its (chronology section) parts.MFGV.3 15:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then include the HOH competitions and anything else that was covered by external news sources (other than the official website and the official mouthpiece.) --Howard the Duck 16:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry to tell, but I have to side with MFGV.3 here. Shortening the paragraphs into sentences rather than culling is better in this case. We have to include everything here. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 23:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's one example that should be culled: "On Day 7, Will finally had his lapel microphone returned to him, but he had to get past cockroaches and other insects to get it." this has nothing to do task, including the preceding event that he lost his lapel mic. We could cull that since nobody would remember that. Remember, everything should be sourced from RS|secondary sources, ergo if it's not covered by a source other than the official website and the official mouthpiece, it should be removed. --Howard the Duck 03:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we remove the tag now that the chronology section is already condensed, or is the article still too long for us to remove it?  MFGV.3 11:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

text: In BB US and BB UK we split the Chronology or Highlights section into a seperate article. Reducing it is a good idea but this season isn't over and was extended so this maybe a temp fix. Also you can split the Housemates & Houseguests into a seperate article. List all the housemates & houseguests in one article. This helps reduce size. By doing either one of the splits would reduce this article down to 35 kb or 37 kb. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 00:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that a chronology section was spun-off (from another PBB season) but was promptly deleted for being trash. --Howard the Duck 03:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I read the Chronology article for PBB Season 2 appeared to be original research due to lack of sources in the article. A chronology article needs to have sources to avoid being deleted from my understanding. The same goes for Housemates articles. See Big Brother 8 (US) highlights, List of Big Brother 2007 housemates (UK), and Big Brother 2007 (UK) highlights. It would be best to source the statements from a mixture of sites and not just from the main site like the BB8 US and BB2007 UK highlight articles. Also can you guys take a look at the discussion above. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 03:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Because Akon is not regarded as a houseguest. Even Bea Alonzo and John Lloyd Cruz weren't mentioned as houseguests. They're just mere visitors. Only those regarded as houseguests would be listed. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 14:00, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  article too long tag  

message: I've updated the article to include Ethel's re-entry, but not as a housemate, but as a houseguest. I've added "Houseguest" in the infobox beside her name but didn't change her status because she's still technically out-of-house. I've also added an asterisk beside her name in the nomination table because of the very same reason: she's now just a houseguest. But this can be touchy. How can we address this? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 12:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The people at WP:BIGBRO are experts when it comes to this. --Howard the Duck 13:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Just as Howard suggested above, I've already forwarded the message above to the WikiProject. For now, let's keep the infobox and the nomination history until we get a response from there. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I have made a modification to Ethel's return in the House. In the table when she was out of the House the "Voluntary Exit" is their but since she returned on Day 59 (Round #7) I have a new thing called "Houseguest" there with (Day 59-) underneath. Hopefully this is a good fix for past HMs becoming HGs. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 00:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: After thinking about it, make Ethel's color similar to those who were evicted. The infobox doesn't include houseguests, no reason to include Ethel now. --Howard the Duck 07:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Howard. I viewed the BBUK 3 article. We can just do a re entry but not change the order. This is for the infobox. We just add a new reentry day and re-eviction day, and retain the VE color.LordBelly06 (talk) 08:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethel's re-entry 

message: I have applied the new style for the sidebars to Pinoy Big Brother I have asked in the previous discussion above what you guys who are familiar with Pinoy Big Brother thought since it is, in a way, unique from the US, UK, and AU sidebars. I did ask on 12/4/07 if everyone here was fine with the new style being used since I had an example on a sandbox of mine. Since no one has answered I have applied the new sidebar style as is. Only current presenters have which show they present currently. Former presenters don't have their shows listed as that information can be inputed in that show's article or section on the main article. On the "Shows" tab the shows are listed with no presenters. This helps new people to Wikipedia see how long a show was on the air. I am asking again for someone to take a look at the sidebar to make sure I have the information right you can now view it on the main Pinoy Big Brother article. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have seen, it looks cleaner now (although wider than the original sidebar). Only the most recent season is seen and if one has to look at the hosts, one has to press "show." - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the Presenters and Shows collapse to save space. Mainly it was due to Big Brother UK where if both were shown at the same time the sidebar would be very long. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 06:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinoy Big Brother sidebar again 

message: Will Yayo's exit be an Eviction or a Voluntary Exit? The main website of PBB gave Yayo a "quit" status.LordBelly06 (talk) 16:13, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's for first exit. Of course, it will be time before they update the flash header. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:21, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So Yayo will remain as an "evictee" even if her eviction is just based on a poll of whether it is she or Gaby who should remain in the house/go out of the house?LordBelly06 (talk) 09:25, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yayo's Exit 

message: Can anyone make a floorplan of the Big Brother House? I noticed that Big Brother Australia and Big Brother UK have floorplans for their own Big Brother Houses.LordBelly06 (talk) 06:03, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The House 

message: Should we include the voting made by the housemates on who shouldn't be included in the Big Four made by the housemates yesternight?LordBelly06 (talk) 11:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, I don't think so. Remember, we all know it is not a real nomination. So it's better if we won't mention anything but in the chronology section. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We included the mock nomination as well right? I am not against not adding this, but isn;t this a form of nomination? However, that might mess up the table, since there was a "change in votes" for Gaby and Ruben. Anyways, so we won't include them? LordBelly06 (talk) 15:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I think there has been an agreement that technically, the voting should be included. Let's wait for the confirmation from others on what to do. Thanks for the idea. LordBelly06 (talk) 15:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Again, I don't think so. It is only done as just a test. And it was compromised because of the influence of Jon's remark. It's better to just mention it in the chronology. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what the guy was referring to is the HoH voting. Should it be scrapped out of the nominations table or left there as is? LordBelly06 (talk) 15:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you ask the people in the Wikiproject about this? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I haven't. I actually do not know how. I just got a nudge from someone, I forgot who. Anyway, what do you propose on what we should do? LordBelly06 (talk) 15:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's better to ask those in the Wikiproject, especially Alucard. Maybe he knows what we can do. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep the HOH voting where it is located now. --Howard the Duck 17:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would just like to ask, the guy who pointed out that the Mock nominations be moved is somehow correct. This doesn't affect nominations. Like what I did for the Special Voting of the Big 5, we can include that there if you'd like. What do you think, Nanami? Howard? LordBelly06 (talk) 16:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's your call. But I hope that if you do, you'll try not to mess up the table, especially on the widths of the columns. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 17:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the heads up. I promise not to mess this up anymore.LordBelly06 (talk) 23:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

text: You're just overreacting. In first place, do you watch Eat Bulaga!? Toni was once a host there. Please confirm your sources. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voting on Who Should Not be included in the Big Four 

message: I have upgraded this article to C-Class as it meets the criteria, the article has a good amount of information but not enough yet for B-Class. More reliable sources would be good to improve the article. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 23:00, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upgraded to C-Class 

message: There are missing nomination details, which were not revealed to us. Is there anyway for us to know those info? LordBelly06 (talk) 12:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The mock one, we don't have to unearth. It's the 4th Nomination Night that's the problem, since the official website only has the results up to the third. So, unless ABS-CBN would release it, we'll never know. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 13:54, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Nomination Details 

message: I was looking at the table, and was wondering if there is a need to change Ethel's exit in the nominations table? I was thinking that if for evictees, we use the same color for their re-eviction, how about using the same color as her previous exit (Voluntary) for Ethel's "re-exit" from the house? LordBelly06 (talk) 09:37, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Ethel's Exit