Talk:Main Page/Archive 74

message: "However, the Dutch colony of New Netherland was seized by the British in 1664." - It was not seized by the British as the "British" did not exist until the formation of the Kingdom of Great Britain in 1707. Also British there links to United Kingdom, which did not exist until 1801. It should read "However, the Dutch colony of New Netherland was seized by the English in 1664." which it was. an Siarach
:Speedy response to the above, cheers! An Siarach
::Reading the article, though, it was less of a seize than a take-over. Bazza 09:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History of New Jersey FA

message: www.google.com/search?q=july+4th Google July 4 and see WP's position!  --hydnjo talk 21:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Google seems to have more personalized results these days, first result is not Wikipedia for me, but I suspect you must click a lot of WP links from Google. Ziggur 21:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummm, no, but what's a lot. Cleared my cache again and searched July 4. Google came back with www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=July+4&btnG=Google+Search this assortment. --hydnjo talk 22:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: July 4 and July 4th are two different phrases.  --Nelson Ricardo 00:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: July 4th is used as the fourth day. July 4 is just used in any other form. Dure 03:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ...and first place goes to...

message: Why is the result of the Italy Germany game on the front page of wikipedia? I was looking something up for work, and had this game ruined for me. Please take any results down from the main page, as had been the policy previously... I will not be able to use wikipedia for the next week if it keeps results up like this. This is a terrible oversite. RyanEberhart 22:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Try not to go to any of the other million or so webpages with news content; they all have the score also. --Descendall 23:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: C'mon Ryan. Do you really believe our In The News facility should not carry the news? Moriori 23:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's like saying we should just say "something has happened in Asia" as a teaser for television news. Silliness! Karlusss 23:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: A better idea would be not using Wikipedia to promote soccer, but I guess we already threw that principle out the window, didin't we? MrVoluntarist 00:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, at work we aren't supposed to change our homepage from the company's intranet page. I guess I can just go to http://en.wikipedia.org/random_article. And I never said not to carry the news, as indicated by my suggestion of giving the article a title that didn't give away the ending. There are plenty of people who work when these games are going on, I don't think it's that difficult to not give away the ending whenever people want to look up some information. Sure, I know now that I could have just gone to something other than the main page, but I don't really  bother to think of that when I'm looking something up, as I'm sure is true for many others. RyanEberhart 00:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Third match place is a joke, nobody cares. Semi-final is way more important. Piet 13:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody does care. Theoretically, the third place match should be the second-most important match, behind the final. But that's another story. --Howard the Duck 12:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The result of the third-place match should be there. Please revert the edit to display it. 200.121.41.208 23:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ruining the results of the World Cup 

message: So I decided I would sign up here and help add some stuff to wiki but there is so much stuff, so many links, I'm having a very hard time finding my way around. I have great knowledge of a subject that is not covered very much on wiki. I was hoping to find a wiki forum but couldn't.
If anyone can help me get started, shoot me an email to b34nzzz[at]gmail.com
I am going to keep looking around and playing with stuff to see if I get the hang of things. Thanks!
-Barry —The preceding unsigned comment was added by B34nz (talk • contribs) .
:Try Getting started, or Help desk for questions. It's really not that hard once you get started. Good luck! 131.111.1.66 13:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The way I started was to look at the source 'edit this page' of a really good article, and then use the syntax from there. Maybe that is one way to go --Ade1982 14:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why so confusing! =[ 

message: FYI, my version of Symantec firewall is ad blocking the thumbnail associated with the current featured article.  I checked and it is not in a /ad/ directory, so I have no idea why it is doing so, though I have occasionally noticed it blocking random seeming things before.  Dragons flight 08:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it possible to check the full list of keywords that Symantec blocks? One possibility is that it is finding the string "ad" in "upload.wikimedia.org" along with some other string in the filename, and is blocking because of that. :Image:Flag of the Czech Republic.svg  suffers from this with some adblockers, because of the strings "ad" and "public" in the filename. — sjorford++ 12:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I can see the flag.  It is also only the case that it is blocking the thumbnail and not the full sized image with the featured article pic, so it must be something about how thumbs are stored.  I've looked at the ruleset before (which is quite long and complicated) without being able to discern what it is triggering against.  Dragons flight 13:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blocked image 

message: How can Ken Lay's conviction be "voided"? Is that a legal truism, or is the paragraph simply trying to convey the idea that the conviction is now moot? AFAIK convictions are not "voided" when the subject dies - it's just that there is obviously no sentence and no punishment. "Voided" implies that death somehow expurges one's criminal record, which I don't think is the case. Not that that matters to the perpetrator, of course, but it might to his descendants in some cases.
: The voiding of Lay's conviction is disputed. See WP:ERRORS. -- 199.71.174.100 22:56, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * Ah. Interesting. And yet the civil case against Lay's estate can continue as if nothing had happened, or so I understand. --klaus 00:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparantly not. www.nytimes.com/2006/07/06/business/06legal.html  --Descendall 04:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The court system has did what they have to in response to a defendant's death. If he lived, Kenneth Lay would attend his trial and have the jury decide his fate. He will never be convicted post-mortem, since Kenneth Lay is not present at the court hearing. But his reputation as a CEO who committed an unethical, unprofessional and illegal practice will forever be associated with his name to many people. Kenneth Lay is not guilty, nor would he face a declaration "guilty until proven innocent" by the judge and jury. Associates of Kenneth Lay are likely to serve trial in conjunction to the alleged crimes committed under his name and the Enron corporation. The trial will continue as planned with or without him, but Kenneth Lay is legally, a suspect that's never going to be found guilty or innocent. --Mike D 26 04:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ken Lay's conviction "voided"? 

message: I'm glad this article made FA status.whicky1978 talk 06:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:InvictaHOG would probably be the one to thank, as he wrote most of the article. Raul654 06:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Can someone take the horrible word Caucasian off the front page summary?  It's already off the main article. jnestorius(talk) 11:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is the word horrible? The article was changed (without discussion) from Caucasian to European. Does this mean people in other parts of the world don't suffer from it as much as the population in Europe?  Bazza 13:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have thought that word was fine, although quick look at the Caucasian article (I admit I didn't read the whole article) indicates that the word is used to mean different things in different places. Apparently some people are also offended by it. If nothing else, the fact that it doesn't mean the same thing to everyone might make it vague and therefore less useful. On the other hand, "European" doesn't encompass the entire group it's trying to describe. Is there some other more accurate and precise term in use? -- Laura S | talk to me 23:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: White (people)? GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 05:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Europid? 86.129.123.42 20:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cystic Fibrosis (CF) 

message: The article on non-decimal currencies lists the rubel (=100 kopecks) in 1701 as the first decimal currency. -- Frenchwhale
: Good catch ! Thanks for pointing this out. The Russian ruble indeed beats the United States dollar by quite a few decades. I've just removed that from MainPage. -- PFHLai 15:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Dollar first? 

message: Regarding the article about the "Helophilus pendulus" there is an incorrect meaning explanation on the main page.It is wrongly written "dangling sun-lover" and not "dangling swamp-lover", which is the correct meaning of the scientific name of the "Helophilus pendulus".
The mistake is in the translation of the ancient greek word "Ηλος / Helos",which means swamp, and not "Ηλιος / Hlios", which means sun.
--Kpapak 20:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helophilus pendulus, 6th july main page, misspelling 

message: Named FIFA 2006 world player of the year.
: Whipdy-doo. Unless its the finals or semi finals of a world-level sporting event, sports are irrelevant to the main page.  --  Zanimum
::Well, to ITN anyway. I doubt many would object to a sports-related entry on any of the other four items. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 19:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ronaldinho

message: Greetings. I am from the StarWars Fanon wiki (Wookieepedia Fanon). Due to extreme amounts of vandalism being done to our wiki, we have resorted to one last cry for help. Could you allow us to use the no-editing code you use on your Main Page? This would end the damage being done to our wiki. Thank you. 154.5.130.212 01:23, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no template. If you're an admin on the wiki, there will be a protect tab at the top of the page. enochlau (talk) 02:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection Template 

message: :Moved to Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/July 9. --14:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  stone "was laid" at a particular minute? 

message: I know Americans are probably too stupid to understand this but anyway, Germany just won third place in the World Cup and they are finally able to shead a bit of shame about the past and let loose and party a bit. They don't need have mud thrown in their faces this weekend. The concentration camp article as a featured article is in extremely bad taste. Couldn't this have waited a week? I am from Denmark, by the way. Andersa 05:48, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We're human. Including Raul. --Dhartung | Talk 06:07, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Humans should be able to read news.. Of course if all you have is Fox News, I know it's not easy. The new mood in germany has been on the news in europe for at least a couple of weeks. Andersa 06:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just keep in mind that 99.9% of Wikipedians are unpaid volunteers. And there is no need to throw in insults when you have received only civil replies. --Dhartung | Talk 06:39, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Germany played a soccer game, and theres a featured article on Wikipedia about concentration camps. I don't follow the problem, here.Preston 07:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea that we should follow sports when scheduling featured articles is preposterous. The idea that we should spare the feelings of Germans over the Holocaust is ... disproportionate. Besides, didn't Germany "shed a bit of shame" when they were World Cup Champions in 1954, 1974, and 1990? I don't know whether to www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2180817,00.html laugh or cry, really. --Dhartung | Talk 08:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No they didn't. You don't understand at all. Anyway I can see I am outmanned in this argument, so you can have it your way. andersa 08:55, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Take it easy, Andersa. The bit about Americans was very unnecessary. It may be bad timing but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have thought about it either. And if Germany has shed their shame, I hope it's not because they have forgotten. Present day Germans carry no more responsibility than present day Australians but it's not something to put in a closet and never think of again. Piet 09:19, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm neither American, nor stupid, but until you actually raised this point I had not even considered any connection between the fetaured article and the recent football world cup in Germany. --Bazza 09:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree 100% with this comment. Andersa 10:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: You're right. It is, not only a coincidence, but an unfortunent one. I personally would change it to an article on Richard Wagner or to Otto von Bismark, but I'm only an American, and don't know how. Until I learn how to use this "computer" to rid the American-led conspiracy to make this "wikipedia" as American-centric and, appearantly, anti-German, as possible, the Germans will have to deal with the lack of Orwellian denial of history on Wikipedia after their loss in the World Cup.Preston 17:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: And I disagree. Ahh, the wonders of simple voting. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-07-09 16:01
Lighten up. The featured article is just a coincidence. Everything that happens on here is not some sort of American conspiracy to undermine other countries. Also, if the featured article was selected based on the "mood" of a country, thats ridiculous--BoyoJonesJr 16:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: [personal attack removed] 86.140.170.23 17:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please don't be a troll, User:86.140.170.23.  And on another note, I, for one, completely agree with BoyoJonesJr's comment. Picaroon9288 17:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The notion that the selection of featured articles which involve a particular country's history should be timed so that they don't interfere with that country's current mood is as silly as the notion that Germany is only now able to "shead a bit of shame about the past" because it won some soccer football games. --mtz206 (talk) 17:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess if you are not from Germany and don't know any Germans, it is difficult to know how big a deal the collective shame about WWII is. And it's not like I am saying there should be censorship on articles or anything like that. Sometimes it would just be nice, if people took a little bit more care not to stomp on other peoples toes. Here is an idea. We could make an article that explains the situation, and if it is good enough, maybe it could come on the front page some day. Andersa 18:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am ethnically German, and I say tough noogies. History's a bitch. We should not be playing Don't mention the war. We're an encyclopedia, not an encounter group. --Dhartung | Talk 19:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am a Turk living in Germany. it seems that many people are really unaware of whats going on in Germany. Germans are now getting normal. They are begining to feel ok when they are running around and shouting with their flags. Total German flags sold this year has made a peak and reached the highest level since WW2. I totaly agree with Andersa.neurobio 00:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can understand that perhaps only now are Germans "getting normal." The point here, however, is whether the selection of a featured article must be dependent on the feelings of all the possible populations that have any relationship to the content of said article. For example, today's featured article is Michigan State Capitol: are we now offending those citizens of Michigan who aren't particularly proud of their capitol building? Or perhaps the citizens of Indiana for not selecting their capitol? --mtz206 (talk) 00:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: "getting normal" term is used by a German politician by the way. I got it from there.neurobio 01:10, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunate conincidence but what's to be done? As outlined above, just because an article is offensive (to some) does not mean it should be excluded from the main page; I very much doubt if there was any intent to offend anybody with this particular item. Anyway, few Germans are going to give a stuff what's written on Wikipedia this weekend anyway ;-). Original post was so uncivil as to be difficult to accept seriously, btw. Calling a group of users 'stupid' is insulting, counter-productive and generally not the way to do things. Just my tuppence.  Badgerpatrol 02:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: If the choice of FA were dependent on whether or not it would offend someone, there would never be a feature article, as I'm sure that any article which could possibly become a feature article is offensive to someone, be it for national, religious, personal, or other reasons. To not make an article a feature article because of a certain group in many ways goes against the neutral point-of-view that Wikipedia promotes.Braindrain0000 05:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Absolutely. In fact, the people behind the Anti-German/Pro-New Jersey Plot (or AGPNJP for short)  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Today%27s_featured_article&diff=prev&oldid=39012654  requested the article way back in February, clearly indicating they had advanced knowledge of the shutdown. Raul654 03:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Wow, Descendall. It takes great skill to write a completely sarcastic comment in a completely serious tone. Well done! joturner 04:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: We should have put 2006 New Jersey State Government Shutdown on ITN at the same time ..... (just kidding) -- PFHLai 14:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distasteful choice of featured article 

message: 
: Huh? They are in there. Just scroll down to the bottom. Titoxd(?!?) 18:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: Guys, it's the world cup final in a couple of hours; the most significant sporting event in the world. Doesn't it rate a mention on ITN?! --Guinnog 16:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please list your proposed entry at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates.  Be sure to include a link to the substantially updated article in bold.  —David Levy 16:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Martinets. It's an insult to the thousands of people who have worked hard on the 2006 FIFA World Cup and the dozens hundreds (:Category:2006 FIFA World Cup) of accompanying pages over the last months. Jooler 16:15, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I merely informed Guinnog of how to propose his desired entry.  How is that "an insult"?  —David Levy 16:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Um... it hasn't happened yet. We're all sitting around at 3am down here waiting for it to start. How can there be an entry in ITN for something that hasn't even occured. This is an Encyclopedia not a crystal ball. (Oh and Viva Italia! ;) --Monotonehell 17:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Score was 1-1 with 5-3 in penalties, NOT 5-4 Dav2008 20:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  just so you know, the picture and the cup Italy won is NOT the Jules Rimet Cup, but the FIFA WOrld Cup introdued after Brazil had won the Coupe JUles Rimet for the thired time --84.57.87.252 22:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This error on ITN has been fixed. The error on the FIFA World Cup Trophy page which led to this error on ITN is also fixed.  http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FIFA_World_Cup_Trophy&diff=62946567&oldid=62941285 Thank you, Joturner. -- PFHLai 22:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: World Cup Final

message: that was given to brazil. ive just changed.
actually i cant can i? but its wrong italy have not just won the Jules Rimet.someone correct
: It has been corrected. joturner 22:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's not the Jules Rimet Trophy 

message: The matter of investigating the potential of a section rename for ITN has come up on a few places, including this talk page.  I've started a centralised straw poll here, and would greatly appreciate commentary, feedback, suggestions, or particularly creative insults. The Tom 00:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't believe the policy makers on Wikipedia seem not to care on the issue. B.t.w. what does ITN stand for? I'm been new here in the past week and would love to contribute in Wikipedia, the best resource of information that humanity has ever made. What an endorsement idea, wish I get the royalities for it LoL. Wikipedia could start focusing on advertising their web service. --Mike D 26 07:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In the news" naming issue once again 

message: It says on the ITN section that Italy beat France on penalty kicks, which is technically wrong. If you look at Penalty shootout (football) and Penalty kick, you can see that they are two different aspects of the game. Could someone change it round please? Thanks ;) The Halo (talk) 09:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected.  --  Zanimum 13:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you!! The Halo (talk) 16:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Penalty kicks/Panalty shootout 

message: I personally think that the headline should mention his significance - his (and I say this loosely) job title. --Ade1982 14:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shamil Basayev 

message: Can somebody link that to the main page? Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.1.172.138 (talk • contribs) .
: Please see Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page, criteria #5. Then, if you insist, post a suggestion at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. Thanks. --64.229.228.236 15:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of ITN, please consider posting at Recent deaths and on the right side of Current events. -- PFHLai 22:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Mícheál Ó Domhnaill]] has just died

message: frankly ,this picture is not serious.You schould beter have use the pirate flag ,not the caricature.They supose to be  
ruthles criminals. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.65.137.22 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 2006 July 10 (UTC).
:I'd agree that the image would be a bit odd on the Main Page as an illustration of a Pirate Featured Article, but in this case it's the image itself that's featured. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 16:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is truly the worst thing to appear on the Main Page in a long time.  violet/riga (t) 20:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How the hell did this become as featured picture??? It makes no sense, it looks like some cheap clip art ripoff. --Childzy talk contribs 21:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. It's a nicely done illustration by one of our editors. Line art is an important part of our articles. Kellen T 22:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  pirate 

message: Please could someone change the word 'defeats' back to 'defeat' - as a topic concerning European nations in an event held in Europe, British English would seem more appropriate here (and in British English sports teams are always referred to as if they're a plural). In fact I'd even prefer it if it could be changed to 'Italy beat France' as this is the normal usage in the UK.
Cheers — SteveRwanda 16:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It seems to me to be more correct to say that. - Cribananda 19:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Should the lead of Italy national football team then read, "The Italian national football team are the national association football team of Italy"? Doesn't make any sense to me to say it that way, but I'm from the US. --Spangineeres (háblame) 19:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mmm, interesting question - in that instance because you're talking about the team as an entity (one entity) rather than the specific team playing the match (eleven players), it's arguably correct to use the singular. However, when talking about the team's efforts on a particular night, UK usage is always in the plural. The same article you mention says here: Italy won their opening game of 2006 World Cup against Ghana, and the main news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2006/4991652.stm BBC Sport article on the match also says Italy beat France 5-3 in a penalty shoot-out. I'm not saying it's logical, I'm just saying that's the way it is  — SteveRwanda 19:28, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The latter of those examples is inconclusive.  As past tense, "beat" could be singular or plural. --Landauer 20:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh heh, good observation! However, the point is still valid - right at the top of the article it says "Highlights: Italy 1-1 France (Ita win 5-3 on pens)" and, further down, "But Italy recovered well from their unfortunate start"... Anyway, it's been changed now so hopefully that's the end of the matter until the item drops off the bottom of the list. — SteveRwanda 20:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Certainly better to not have the 's'.  violet/riga (t) 21:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed "defeat" to "beat", because Italy defeat France sounds absolutely awful to my poor American ears, whereas "beat" is number neutral, as pointed out above.  Dragons flight 22:11, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: PS. I'd also be happy with "defeated", if one wants to go that way.  Dragons flight 22:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Try Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors. -- 64.229.205.88 22:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Cup news request 

message: The Indian flag serves no purpose for the news, can we have this image instead which is more informative. --Sartaj beary 20:28, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, Fair Use images are generally not allowed on the Main Page when there are acceptable free alternatives. If you can find a more suitable free-licensed image, feel free to propose the change again :) GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 20:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  (Note: The suggested pic has been removed hours ago. --199.71.174.100 22:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Because it's name has been changed and out of respect we should use its new name. You don't go calling 'Constantinople' 'Istanbul' do you? ;)  --Monotonehell 03:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have that backwards.  :)  —David Levy 16:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: "Even old New York was once New Amsterdam..." - UtherSRG (talk) 14:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why they changed it, I can't say.  —David Levy 16:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: People just liked it better that way... -- ALoan (Talk) 22:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: It is sometimes difficult to decide which name to use for a city, especially when the name of a city is changed. In this instance, Mumbai tends to be the term used nowadays in Western media as well (see, for instance, www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/12/mumbai.blasts/index.html CNN's article, news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5171258.stm the BBC's article), or www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/in.html the CIA World Factbook). — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have an idea. Why don't we use the name that Wikipedia uses? Moriori 08:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what we're already doing, Moriori. (And what is the difference between "we" and "Wikipedia" in this context?) Please clarify your idea. — Knowledge Seeker দ 14:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dont know if its really necessary to change, but we do have a free image now. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK16:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That's certainly a reasonable suggestion, and I updated the text accordingly. It might have been more helpful had you made that suggestion in the first place rather than querying why the new name was being used. — Knowledge Seeker দ 16:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  So clumsy! Sigh .... if both names have to be there to confuse people, a link to Indian renaming controversy may be useful there. --199.71.174.100 22:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mumbai train bombings 

message: Shouldn't the little squib under DYK have made clear the article was about the geography of Texas? It looks like we somehow didn't bother having an article about Texas until recently. Daniel Case 02:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Texas

message: Could someone please include that there were 174 deaths and over 400 injuries to show the scale of the attack. Thanks. Nobleeagle  (Talk) 06:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mumbai attacks 

message: I've read a horribly done article on Germany in their third place match victory and explained how the Germans are dictators or warmongerers. I like to see this denigrating article removed, since it don't relate to Germany in the present time. Germany was the enemy in WWII when ruled under Hitler and the Nazis, but does not represent the entire German people in the year 2006. Some statements were made on the Germans love to start wars, follow tyrants  like the Kaiser or are "brainwashed" under "socialist" governments (notably the East was under Communism, 1949-89). Wikipedians take note on whoever wrote articles to attack, defame and insult a country, will have the article yanked very quickly. I find it sad that some Wikipedians conceive the idea to relate modern Germany with war. I thought the World Cup was about sports in an international competition, not revival of past national hatreds. Let this be a notice and a warning we should not tolerate anti-German sentiment when the main focus is on soccer/football (I live in the U.S.) in Wikipedia. --Mike D 26 07:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which article is this ? This talkpage is intended for discussion on things on Main Page only. Please comment on the talkpage of that article. You'll get a better response there. Hope this helps. -- PFHLai 00:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: What you saw was probably just vandalism that other editors quickly removed. You don't need to argue the point here; just fix it. Only a very few persons with such extreme views will participate in a Talk page. --Dhartung | Talk 18:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  PFHLai, the Germany wins World Cup third match article. It was heavily discussed last week on Wikipedia talk pages. My discussion was ruled as appropriate (this was on a main page July 9th, when it was today's news), so it does not need redirection. Dhartung, I'm glad someone had corrected that article and ensure the German people are a different country today than in 1914 or 1945. My father is from France, whose team lost the world cup final and I've imagined what if they played against Germany, not Italy. Will there be a few French fans threatened the German team over the Nazi occupation of France 65 years ago? No...the FIFA organization pressed a code of conduct to world cup fans not to engage in racial, nationalist and politically charged rhetoric against team mates and opponent teams. Very few incidents of Nazi or white racist fans acted in this sort of manner, because the security can find the violater and eject him/her out of the stadium. Whoever wants to revive hatred against a nation or don't agree that a few players of their team are Black, is disturbing and hypocritical. I don't see a reason to allow someone edits stuff on Wikipedia from their biased POV about Germans. --Mike D 26 04:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-German sentiment in World Cup article

message: Am I the only one who thinks that today's featured picture may look better on MainPage if we use the column format, instead of the row format ? May need to enlarge and  it, though. --PFHLai 16:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree in part: for wide landscape pictures. Portrait or narrow landscapes are fine in column format as it makes the most of the available space. I would also like to congratulate whoever wrote the accompanying text today — an admirable commentary on the picture rather than its subject matter, as it's meant to be. --Bazza 18:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Today's featured picture 

message: Many scholars are very upset about the possibility of people who don't know what they're talking about changing the text.  However, calling a nice person like me a vandal is frowned upon.--4.241.30.226 21:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My hunch is that this comment is from , who has left messages from IPs in this range previously before remembering to login. See, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AChuck_Marean&diff=63134327&oldid=63134115. The topic of the comment fits recent issues with Chuck as well. Chuck, let's take this discussion to your talk page, ok? --mtz206 (talk) 21:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angry Students 

message: - No mention on the main page in the news....seems much bigger than a couple of tennis champs in an event that happens all the time.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Flyintothesky (talk • contribs)  21:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Flyintothesky, please note that Wikipedia (an online encyclopedia) is not Wikinews (a news website) ....... and please make use of Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates, not Talk: Main Page, to post suggestions for ITN. Thanks. --199.71.174.100 21:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Operation Just Reward is now on Main Page. -- PFHLai 13:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Isreal in Lebanon

message: Shouldn't that be Italy beats France, to stay in present tense? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.61.238.220 (talk • contribs) 
:They aren't presently beating them, are they? --mtz206 (talk) 22:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, but apparantly bombs are presently going off in India, and Basavey is presently dying. --Descendall 23:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Italy Beat?

message: There has been some discussion on the talk page of ITN that the map shows Mumbai in different places depending on the reader's browser. Perhaps :Image:Mumbai-main.png...
...could replace the superimposition of the India map image on the Main Page. Thanks in advance. -- joturner 02:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Try Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors. --64.229.221.15 06:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Switch 

message: Why there isn't any mention of the sixth arab-israeli war in the news pan? This is the only news that matters today, because it has the potental to go WMD, make oil 10USD a gallon or cause another 9/11 for USA.
:All hyperbole aside, it really really does merit a mention. -Tim Rhymeless  (Er...let's shimmy) 08:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedians, check out AOL news and put up a link to the ITN section. The recent crises in the Middle East has caused speculation on whether we're on the brink of World War III. Radio commentator/TV show host Glenn Beck is betting on his prophecy of a regional war to become global when nations start to take sides. Because of Iran pursues nuclear weapons development, and the insurgency in Iraq will get worse. International condemnation was open and wide for Israel's strategic attack on Hizbollah, except the U.S. remains a staunch ally to Israel and the military commonality shared with the Bush administration on the war on terror. I feel the latest incursions with Lebanon and Hizbollah will expand and intensify in the long run, along with Arab reaction to Israel is as bad as ever. What we need is find more news reports on the war and keep Wikipedians well informed. --Mike D 26 04:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1981, 2006 

message: Should read "...sunk by a German U-boat..." and not an German U-boat. I think all that discussion about the chicken has got some people confused. - Cribananda 05:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Thanks! Titoxd(?!?) 05:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Good that you know. So whom were you trying to explain that to? - Cribananda 06:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That should be "to whom were you trying..." Eixo 10:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text:  "An German?" Titoxd(?!?) 06:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It should be "an German U-boat" in Boat English. I'm sick and tired of all you people using country-specific English. Don't you know that there were boats long before your countries existed? — Knowledge Seeker দ 06:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Those poor saps back on land will never know the simple pleasures of a monkey knife fight." -- Homer Simpson. Raul654 06:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: For all the discussion about the error in that DYK, I'm surprised no one caught another, more glaring error: "...that at the end of his 13 match first class cricket career, John Howarth's batting average of 0.00 set a new world record, and has led to him being dubbed one of cricket's worst batsmen?" Someone want to tell me what's wrong with that without checking the page history, where I fixed the error already? ;-) Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 14:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Batsmen and the hyphens between 13-match and class-cricket. Titoxd(?!?) 21:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did you know error 

message: Surely the World Cup is no longer valid in the news section.
:Items normally stay in the In The News section for a few days - it'll probably be dropped over the weekend. — sjorford++ 15:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  World cup 

message: To say the least.  How about "Israel attacks Lebanon".  The current story makes it sound like they're on a field trip.  It's NPOV run amok.  --Nelson Ricardo 17:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: nah its telling it like it is, what do you suggest then??? Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 18:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Israel enters Lebanon to attack Hezbollah would be more accurate, wouldn't it? — ceejayoz talk 02:04, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely, if the Beirut airport is a member. Zocky | picture popups 03:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The ITN blurb is now changed to "...launch a military offensive into Lebanon...". Hope this helps. --PFHLai 20:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israeli troops enter Lebanon 

message: i loved him i fort he was fit lmao i fort it was a bit funni when i got told he died coz every one gos around skl sing 'there ganna tast g8' lmfao but i dont think its nice the way peeps r nasty bout him coz he is famus lol iv seen worse and bet u av 2. yea when i first saw the ad i was on the floor in fits coz i fort it was soooooo funni but hes cute and not a very gd dancer lmao but still dont b so mean i bet hes a noce kid in side!!! and y the fuck would he kill him self 4 if he did kill him self it would b all ur fult 4 bein so mean to him. just think if u got asked to do sumin lik that 4 lik £3000 i bet u would do it any 13/14 yr old would cum on if i got asked to do it i would lol just remember there ganna tast g8!!!! but how can u sleep at night thinkin sumone who went out ov his was to make u laf has killed him self (but has he or not) and how can u sit down in the mornin eatin ur frosties and not think ov that song 'there ganna tast g8' and not feel bad bout him killin him self coz all ov u r bein nasty to him.i no theres sum peeps out there who feel the same as me cumon get over it find sumin else to laf at its not fear on him is it?
:This is the English language Wikipedia. You may find that you receive more replies when you speak in English. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 19:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Trnzl8shun:Vis iz V englsh wkpdia. u may get mor tok bak if u uz englsh GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 22:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Is there an SMS Wikipedia yet? --Dhartung | Talk 22:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: LOL KTHXBYE --Dhartung | Talk 07:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  frostys kid  

message: I think it might be newsworthy (in place of the World Cup) to put the news that Juventus, Lazio and Fiorentina have been relegated from Serie A for their role in the Serie A scandal of 2006.
Link from BBC: news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/5164194.stm --Bveale 20:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While this appears to be notable enough and has an updated article, ITN suggestions are made at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates, not here :) GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 20:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Serie A scandal results in relegation of three football giants

message: Okay, I know most people are not that stupid to think that Rembrandt would actually be alive to celebrate his 400th birthday, but is that really OK to word it as a "birthday" when the person in question is dead? How about "anniversary of his birth"? --Revolución hablar ver 05:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed and fixed. Zocky | picture popups 05:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rembrandt's 400th birthday?

message: I'm currently experiencing a problem with Firefox - every time I go to the Wikipedia main page, I get the message "You have new messages...(blah blah)", but not when I click on any other pages within Wikipedia. I know for a fact I have no new messages, since I check the history and my edit is the latest. Also, it doesn't happen when I go to Wikipedia main page using IE. Anyone else got the same problem?   Killfest2  08:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds like you need to purge your broswer cache. Raven4x4x 09:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firefox Problem 

message: The position of Beirut on the Lebanon map is off by quite a large margin. Junes 09:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this still a problem ? If it is so, please report this at WP:ERRORS. Thanks. -- PFHLai 20:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lebanon image 

message: The in the news section has something about Italy soccer teams being demoted. When it mentions the world cup, it says "win". It should be "won". I went to the in the news page, but found out that like the main page itself, the template is protected. Can an admin please fix it?. TeckWizTalkContribsGuestbook 13:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's correct as it is. It's just written in British English. In AE, it would be "wins". Zocky | picture popups 13:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it should be in past tense since the news clip is not about the World Cup. —Cuiviénen 15:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  To avoid the appearance of a grammatical tense error, the ITN blurb has been rewritten as "... only days after the Italian national team's victory in the 2006 FIFA World Cup." Hope this helps. -- PFHLai 20:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Italy Soccer

message: It says that the teams have been "demoted" - I would have thought that "relegated" was the standard word for what's happening here.Karlusss 15:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The submission on the ITN candidates page used "demoted" over "relegated" mostly because not all would know what "relegated" meant in this context. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 15:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Demote and relegate mean two different things. Is this Simple: Wikipedia now? Relegated is the correct word. If people don't know what it means that can click on the story or look in a dictionary. Jooler 16:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, don't look at me, I neither wrote the entry nor put it on the Main Page. I'm just explaining why it's currently that way. :) GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 16:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Removed" is better. Not everybody understands the concept of relegation and promotion in European football. --Howard the Duck 16:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've added a link to Promotion and relegation. Hope this helps. -- PFHLai 20:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's OK for me. --Howard the Duck 04:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Italy Soccer. Again.

message: The other day my friends and I discovered a fun game to play with wikipedia. First click on "random article" (it usually helps to read the article). Then click on another random article. From here, you have to navigate back to the first random article by using only links found in each article you go to. You cant type anything in the search box and you cant use the "back" button. Its fun because you have to try to think of a chain of connections that link the two different things. Also you can play this game by just saying what subject to start with and what subject to get to. I guess the winner is whoever can do it in the fewest number of links. Or perhaps with the strangest links.
*This game is pretty old, and you have to be careful that people don't cheat by using the tool that does exactly what you're supposed to do in the game. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-07-15 23:57
:Sounds like a Wikirace. —Cuiviénen 23:58, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The accident in question occurred on July 9th (a separate incident involving the same flight number occurred on July 13th) and is included in that article. —Cuiviénen 03:54, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Game 

message: Wikipedia had a news article for a moment (it seems the link was removed) on the So. Cal. wildfires. I live not far from the wildfires raging on in 75,000 acres near Yucca Valley, Cal. For 5 days, the two wildfires went beyond the control of Cal. Dept. of Forestry firefighters and they merged 6 miles west of there, due to temperatures above 100F and high winds. In the weather report, humidity went up and this is good for the firefighters' effort to stamp out the fires. Before the fires, it's been quite dry as the blaze gets closer and closer to development, like the community Pioneertown build in the 1950's as a stage set to film many Western movies and TV shows. So far, 200 homes are destroyed or in the blaze, while thousands of other homes are evacuated. At this time, the inferno is 25-30% contained. --Mike D 26 04:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm unsure what you mean. Wikipedia does not have any "news articles". For those try Wikinews. If you mean there was an entry in "In the news", how long ago was this? I can't find it up to a week back. If you mean there was an article about these fires, perhaps it was removed as unencyclopedic? --09:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I recall seeing a one-liner about the fires in Portal:Current events, but there was no article associated with the news link. --Dhartung | Talk 19:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wildfires in So. Cal. article