Talk:N11 road (Ireland)

message: Dear 159.134.55.1
If you wish to add distance in miles to articles on roads in the Republic of Ireland, please stick to the existing convention; which is to list distances either
-  in km only (which is the legal unit in Ireland and is used by the National Roads Authority)
- in km first followed by the distance in in miles in brackets; 
  example: 40km (25 miles); not 25 miles (40km). 
It is also conventional for distances over 5km to be cited in roads articles to the nearest 1km. distances as "16.35km" add nothing except clutter to articles on roads.  (The same applies to miles, which if they must be inserted should be rounded).
Also if you are going to make changes of this nature across a wide range of articles (as several people are currently doing) why is it being done anonymously?
You should sign the changes. (Sarah777 00:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anonymous Widespread Edits 

message: I see that miles are been added to this article.  Why?
I Ireland is a metric country, and other countries don't have to suffer this clutter, namely English speaking Australia and New Zealand.
And also the figure giving the spec of the road has miles ABOVE the kilometres.  Should that not be the other way around as km are the dominant and USED unit in Ireland.  I'd prefer if this "mi" would be removed alltogether.  As no one in Ireland if shown "mi" would associate it with miles anyway.  It was never used in Ireland when we used miles for roads.
:Good question. Originally I used only metric in Irish roads articles but got tired of US and UK editors adding (or even overwriting with) miles. So to avoid edit warring I decided to add miles in secondary position per a standard format. It is indeed clutter and politically motivated clutter IMO, but there you go. You could get banned for criticising the Anglo-Saxon Establishment in Wiki. Beware! (Sarah777 22:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miles Miles Miles Why? 

message: I've updated the M11 Route Marker to the one specified in the Traffic Signs Manual 1996 published by the Department of the Environment Heritage & Local Government. This is currently under revision by the Department of Transport which has taken over responsibility for the Traffic Signs Manual.
Limbo-Messiah (talk) 22:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a handful of those "route markers" on RoI motorways; there is one on the M7 (south) past the "Naas South" junction. And one on the "M6" pictured on the N6 road article! Sarah777 (talk) 16:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. They have the symbol. Sarah777 (talk) 16:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  M11 Route Marker 

message: I reduced these shields to 150px (again) as the 200px versions are a bit OTT to my beady eye. Maybe we should agree a standard size; if there is more than one shield in the box they overwhelm the box. Maybe one size for a single (or primary) shield and a smaller size for the others? There are numerous permutations but you get my drift.....Sarah777 (talk) 09:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Standardisation and style

message: I notice that both spellings appear in the article and that Kilpeddar redirects to Kilpedder.  Google maps and the OSI use "Kilpedder".  Why am I not surprised that the NRA uses Kilpedder on its website, but puts up signs for Kilpeddar?  I guess standardising on Kilpedder would be best.  What say?  Nelson50T 12:59, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I must have imagined the signs for Kilpeddar!  Think I should take a Crissi Wiki Break! Nelson50T 18:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kilpeddar/Kilpedder

message: I have just reverted a move of this article from N11 road (Ireland) to N11 national road, pending further discussion.
The move was done by , whose contribution to articles on Irish roads has  been enormous, so I'm sure vthat it was done in good faith for a good reason.
However, the convention so far has been for Irish N-roads to be located at "Nx road (Ireland)", where x is the road number, and the move made the N11 a lone exception to that convention.
It may be that this convention should be changed, and I have an open mind on that question.  However, it's much easier for both editors and readers if a series of articles such as this is named consistently, so unless there is some special reason to make an exception of the N11, I would prefer that the Irish N-road articles retained that consistency.  Let's either keep them all at "Nx road (Ireland)", or move them all to "Nx national road".
I have done a little research on this (without reaching any conclusion either way), and to centralise discussion I will post it at Talk:National primary road. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  N11 road or N11 national road 

message: Could someone unprotect the article and remove that tag? The ludicrous block of the move request should not be an excuse for perfobulation. Sarah777 (talk) 23:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also note that En:Wiki does not even have an article on the Australian N11 and the French and SA ones are barely stubs. This is clearly as justified a primary usage as any road. Blocking this move is patently in breach of WP:NPOV. Sarah777 (talk) 23:12, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I fail to see any evidence for your claim of "Anglo bias", let alone any evidence that it has been "proven beyond any reasonable doubt". I would encourage you to remain civil and refrain from making statements that could be interpreted as personal attacks or racist remarks. There doesn't appear to be an Australian road called the N11, which would explain the lack of a Wikipedia article about it. There was no consensus in the discussion above to move this article, so it should remain at this title until there is a clear consensus to move it. I suspect that after only one month that a different outcome would be unlikely, but if you feel otherwise then the correct way to go about it is to initiate another requested move discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 00:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

text: I don't see any consensus; what I see is yet another example of British bias being imposed on Irish articles. Thus, clearly I can't "respect" something that doesn't exist. Sarah777 (talk) 10:58, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Anglo bias proven beyond any reasonable doubt

message: Looking at  Openstreetmap it appears that the N11 north of Mount Merrion Avenue has been reclassified as the R138. Is that correct? Sarah777 (talk) 23:34, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The N11 was (is?) still signposted as continuing past the N31/Mount Merrion Avenue junction to the City centre. Only became aware of the "R138" from OSM. No signpost refers to the R138 so far as I know. Must be a very recent change? Sarah777 (talk) 21:38, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The most recent Statutory Instrument revising the Roads Act 1993 was enacted on 28 February 2012 so the R138 has certainly existed since then. It looks unlikely that it was defined before that. — O'Dea (talk) 10:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Article out of date?

message: And we got an award!  This is a selected article  on the .
I have added this honour to the assessment box section above :) Sarah777 (talk) 13:31, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Article updated to 29/3/2014

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