Talk:Confirmation

message: So far, this article has very little information on the Protestant tradition, which I find surprising. It's quite an important thing in Nordic countries at least, involving a period of intense Bible study (often at at least these points addressed in the article, but I'm not adding any myself since I'm just a generic religions geek and a Finn, so I'm only speaking from experience rather than citing authoritative texts:).--Snowgrouse 21:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More info on the Protestant tradition?

message: Does anyone know the process for revoking confirmation? -Christiaan 23:24, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the Catholic Church, no sacrament can be revoked - you cannot revoke a fact - and confirmation can no more be repeated than baptism - see sacramental character.  Lima 04:20, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see, so the only step one could take would be a personal renunciation I guess. Do you know of any formal process for renouncing Christianity in general? Self-excommunication maybe? -Christiaan 12:31, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The life outside the womb one is born to can be lost or just wasted, but one's birth cannot be revoked.  The grace of the sacrament can be lost or just wasted, but the sacrament itself cannot be revoked.  Lima 13:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The more I look into it the more it seems the only semi-formal road one can take is to apostate. The upside of this (for one who wants to renounce their Christianity) is that it results in automatic excommunication. -Christiaan 13:48, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The Church never allows a sacrament to be revoked.  One took place, ior it didn't.  If it is a question of validity of the sacrament, that is a seperate discussion.  If the question is church membership, once catholic always catholic.  However, defection by formal act renders once outside the responibility to marriage laws with in the Church.  On the US Catholic bishops website (www.usccb.org) you can read the explanatory note from the Holy See about canon 1086.1 (also www.clsa.org).  DaveTroy 20:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How to revoke confirmation?

message: I'm pretty sure in the Roman church the Bishop can delegate permission to confer the sacrament of Confirmation to other priests in his diocese.  Where I live that in fact had been done in the past, an oridnary priest was authorized to confirm individuals. 
:Correct, the bishop can always delegate the faculty for confirmation.  However, any priest can confirm in emergency and when a priest receives someone into the Church, he can confirm at the time of reception the person being received.  Both of these later are by the law itself. canon 882 and 883§3.  DaveTroy 20:37, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Delegation

message: The Roman Catholic Views section of this article appears to be written in the first person and is not neutral.  Could someone please fix this? [anonymous unsigned comment]
The section is on "Roman Catholic views" and presents that Church's teaching on confirmation. The views of other Churches are presented in other sections.  Lima 06:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roman Catholic views 

message: I notice that, throughout this article, SomeHuman has altered the names of the sacraments (Confirmation/confirmation, Baptism/baptism, Eucharist/eucharist) to give them lower-case initials.  I have no personal preference in the matter, though I think that, in this article, capitalization shows up the specificity of the religious rite that the article is about, as indicated in its title.  I have also long noticed that neither Microsoft Word nor WordPerfect accept "eucharist" (lower-case "e") as correct English spelling.  Be all that as it may, my query is whether SomeHuman's unilateral action is in conformity with Wikipedia norms.   Lima 07:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization 

message: The article skip how, if at all, the event is followed by secular celebration. At least with the danish tradition follows a celebration that easily rivals a Bar Mitzvah, with the same critizism; that for many young people the party and gifts become the main reason to be confirmated. Carewolf 15:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celebrations 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was
Confirmation (Christian sacrament) → Confirmation — This is the primary topic for the page name, per WP:DAB#Primary topic. Only one other topic on Confirmation (disambiguation) has an article, and the disambiguation page can remain where it is; links intended for a dictionary definition of "confirmation" should be delinked anyway (as it's not a viable topic), so that isn't a concern. —Dekimasuよ! 15:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose, there are four different uses for confirmation, Confirmation (disambiguation). —User:Christopher Mann McKay 00:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

text: *I'm not sure I understand your objection - I think I had addressed it above. The incoming links are for this topic. The disambiguation page would still disambiguate, the same way it does now. Dekimasuよ! 03:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 15:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose, there are four different uses for confirmation, Confirmation (disambiguation). —User:Christopher Mann McKay 00:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'm not sure I understand your objection - I think I had addressed it above. The incoming links are for this topic. The disambiguation page would still disambiguate, the same way it does now. Dekimasuよ! 03:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 15:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Why is Orthodox Chrismation assumed to be the same thing as the rite in the West known as Confirmation? Deusveritasest (talk) 07:15, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthodox Chrismation 

message: Could someone trim the Roman Catholic section as it has its own article on the topic? Americanman095 (talk) 18:19, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roman Catholic section 

message: Why would this article start with "Confirmation in Judaism" if it's the least relevant subtopic? Rhetorical question. The article should start with the important body of the topic, its history and bigger relevance (hint: in Christianity). In other words, it's unlikely that the majority of people coming to this page are primarily concerned with "Confirmation in Judaism". Maybe I'm wrong!? In any case, I'll just head over to the jumbo shrimp page for now. They seem to at least have things in order. --71.168.215.63 (talk) 04:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Done.  Esoglou (talk) 05:25, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of subtopics

message: The source states as implicating an obligation for non-bishop priests to confirm: "According to the ancient practice maintained in the Roman liturgy, an adult is not to be baptized unless he receives confirmation immediately afterward, provided no serious obstacles exist" (Christian Initiation of Adults, 34). Well that may be so, but I would doubt there is an obligation, and this on the following reasons.
*The Code of Canon law says the priests are, in that case, empowered to do so (nota bene: as extraordinary ministers even then), and if the Legislator would have wanted an obligation, he could simply have said so.
*We know of saints (Edith Stein) that had themselves baptized and confirmed on different days and this even for symbolical reasons.
*Even if a priest can confirm by priviledge (sort of "general priviledge"), his (or the baptizand's) very decision to leave it to the ordinary minister would be a "serious obstacle" in the sense of the source, except in danger of death, namely: absence of an ordinary minister; notwithstanding the fact that if he does not decide to do so, he can confirm of course, as extraordinary minister.
Of course I don't speak of cases where the bishop has no time and not only empowers, as even the Law does, but orders a priest with cure of souls to confirm. --84.154.43.88 (talk) 16:36, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Edith Stein was baptized and confirmed before 1972, the year of promulgation of the cited document. But the rest of this observation is basically correct, and the text of the article must be adjusted accordingly.  Esoglou (talk) 18:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Obligation for priests

message: There is a confirmation ceremony in Reform Judaism. It is not identical to any of the Christian confirmations, but it does play an analogous role.
Source:
About.Com Can you please explain Reform Judaism's Confirmation ritual?, Rabbi Jeffrey Wolfson Goldwasser
http://judaism.about.com/od/birthtomarria2
:"Up until the 1970s, many Reform congregations did not offer bar mitzvah celebrations for their young people because -- as the thinking used to go -- they did not consider thirteen to be an appropriate age for conferring the obligations of adulthood on a child. Instead, the early Reform Movement created a ritual called "Confirmation." "
:Like bar or bat mitzvah, confirmation celebrates young people's (boys and girls) coming of age. Most confirmations are done at Shavuot for the class of students completing religious school, often at the end of tenth, eleventh or twelfth grade. 
:Starting in the 1970s, the Reform Movement saw an increasing number of congregants with backgrounds in Orthodox and Conservative Judaism. This was a major factor in the decision to revive celebrations for boys becoming bar mitzvah and to introduce bat mitzvah celebrations for girls. Today, almost every Reform congregation celebrates both bar/bat mitzvah and confirmation. 
:Confirmation, however, is more than a vestige of past Reform practice. As it has developed over the years, confirmation has taken on meaning that makes it an important life-cycle event.  In contrast to bar/bat mitzvah, confirmation is a group event. Students in a class are confirmed together and they often prepare a tzedakah project as a group as part of their confirmation. This emphasizes the importance of communal action that is at the heart of Judaism.  <
RK (talk)
A minor note of caution: Do not confuse Reform Judaism's 'confirmation' rite with that of B'nai Mitzvah (becoming Bar Mitzvah or Bat Mitzvah); they are separate ceremonies, done at different times. Reform Judaism originally developed the idea of confirmation because - at the time - they believed that it was inappropriate for 13 year old boy, or 12 year old girl, to have a Bar/Bat mitzvah.  They believed that children of this age were not mature enough to uncerstand what it means to be religious, and that children of this age were not responsibile enough to observe religious practices. 
Also, I added many details from the Public Domain Jewish Encyclopedia. RK (talk)
When I was growing up on Long Island in the 1970s, our Conservative synagogue celebrated both b'nai mitzah AND Jewish Confirmation. One was Bar/Bat Mitzvah at 13, and then if the youth chose to continue with his/her Jewish studies, would have a smaller Confirmation ceremony at about age 16. This was not a requirement. Additionally, the tzedakah projects common for modern (two-thousand-teens) Reform and Conservative b'nai mitzvah candidates were not required. 68.83.46.229 (talk) 12:24, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: There is a confirmation ceremony in [[Reform Judaism]] 

message: Are there Anglican Churches that use chrism for Confirmation? Generally, more information should be given on the ritual: Which church uses which ritual elements (chrism, laying on hands, prayer, blessings)?--Hannesde Correct me! 23:39, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anglican Confirmation 

message: Some student-candidates who are Protestants like Anglicans and Methodists do undergo confirmation by Catholic bishops, per school rules. Do the local Catholic authorities who control high schools allow this? Every denomination that has confirmation apply it to its adherents only. I think this rule is not followed. Why? Local ecumenism 
Santiago Claudio (talk) 12:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: We need a citation to be able to discuss this further. As far as we know this never happens except, possibly, by accident. Student7 (talk) 20:46, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Waivers to be signed by parents/guardians are given to the candidates. Eligible non-Catholics among them may need to seek approval of their respective churches' authorities.Santiago Claudio (talk) 10:57, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see WP:RS. Without such a citation, we can proceed no further regardless of what "you have heard or seen." Student7 (talk) 23:26, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filipino non-Catholic students undergo confirmation?  

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message: The article uses both terms.  It should standardize on one or the other.
According to Wictionary, confirmand is an English word with the definition we're looking for, while confirmant is not even an English word. 2601:281:D47F:AE60:31C1:A0AF:B3A7:366E (talk) 05:29, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Confirmand" or "Confirmant"? 

message: Vormsel is waar je in de jerk 186.179.209.70 (talk) 22:53, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vormsel 

message: I propose to merge this page with the following page : 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_in_the_Catholic_Church
Wikidata Q12311433 LucekFR (talk) 08:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging suggestion