Talk:Edo period

message: There may be some sloppiness here with regard to the words "Bakufu" and "shogunate", and also whether Bakufu should be capitalised or not. I suspect that the following rules should apply:
* if "Bakufu" is used as a proper noun refering specifically to the shogunate of Japan at a given time, then it should be capitalised. Compare "the Diet voted to...".
* if "bakufu" is just used to mean "administration", then it should be replaced by "shogunate", which is the correct English term. Compare "the parliament voted to...".
I won't make the edit as I don't feel I'm familiar enough with the term "Bakufu" to have the authority.--Malcohol 13:12, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Note regarding word usage

message: Only about one fifth of the article is actually about the first 250 years of the edo period at all. The rest is just about the final period, the years from around 1850 to 1870. What I will do is move it all to a different article (Bakumatsu period, Opening of Japan, Decline of the Tokugawa or so) and rewrite this article. Any objections? -- Mkill 17:13, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, it looks like Late Tokugawa shogunate exists. I'll move it there then. -- Mkill 17:15, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The focus of the article

message: an IP-user was so nice as to add this to the article Tokugawa. Since Wikipedia has all material on the Tokugawa era under Edo period, I put the text here for reference, maybe there are a few facts not mentioned yet. -- Mkill 17:53, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP-users addition to [[Tokugawa]] 

message: This article is easily long enough, detailed enough, with enough pictures and references to warrant B-class. But there are many aspects of the Edo period that are still hot topics in scholarship today, with tons of articles and books written on them. If we address these debates and issues, and expand our discussion on (1) ukiyo-e, kabuki, and literature, (2) the Yoshiwara, geisha, courtesans, etc, (3) the semi-autonomy of the village, and the socio-economic-political developments of the period, (4) relations with Ryūkyū, the Ainu, as well as China and Europe, (5) questions of statehood and nationhood; if we do all this, this article could become featured, and really quite valuable and thorough. LordAmeth 15:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For a Japanese people, this article is regarded as common sense. And I hope this article has political and economic history a lot. Please research and write it down in more detail.--218.46.65.149 15:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: This might seem to be a small quibble, but I thought I'd bring it up here first. Speaking as a huge fan of "Inu-Yasha" and having watched almost all of it, I do not think it should be mentioned in an Edo period article. It is set slightly earlier, in the Warring States Era, and isn't really concerned with history anyway. It's much more of a fantasy inspired by 1500s Japan. Brutannica 09:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Lone Wolf and Cub and Samurai Champloo are both very definitively set in the Edo period, and serve sufficiently to represent the different types of manga/anime that have been based in the period. LordAmeth 14:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of "Inu-Yasha"

message: Most of 6.1 was copied word for word from  This may be a temporary page,so this is part of the text:
The Tokugawa did not eventually collapse simply because of intrinsic failures. Foreign intrusions helped to precipitate a complex political struggle between the bakufu and a coalition of its critics. The continuity of the anti-bakufu movement in the mid-nineteenth century would finally bring down the Tokugawa. From the outset, the Tokugawa attempted to restrict families' accumulation of wealth and fostered a "back to the soil" policy, in which the farmer, the ultimate producer, was the ideal person in society. Despite these efforts to restrict wealth, and partly because of the extraordinary period of peace, the standard of living for urban and rural dwellers alike grew significantly during the Tokugawa period. Better means of crop production, transportation, housing, food, and entertainment were all available, as was more leisure time, at least for urban dwellers. The literacy rate was high for a preindustrial society, and cultural values were redefined and widely imparted throughout the samurai and chonin classes. Despite the reappearance of guilds, economic activities went well beyond the restrictive nature of the guilds, and commerce spread and a money economy developed. Although government heavily restricted the merchants and viewed them as unproductive and usurious members of society, the samurai, who gradually became separated from their rural ties, depended greatly on the merchants and artisans for consumer goods, artistic interests, and loans. In this way, a subtle subversion of the warrior class by the chonin took place. 
A struggle arose in the face of political limitations that the shogun imposed on the entrepreneurial class. The government ideal of an agrarian society failed to square with the reality of commercial distribution. A huge government bureaucracy had evolved, which now stagnated because of its discrepancy with a new and evolving social order. Compounding the situation, the population increased significantly during the first half of the Tokugawa period. Although the magnitude and growth rates are uncertain, there were at least 26 million commoners and about 4 million members of samurai families and their attendants when the first nationwide census was taken in 1721. Drought, followed by crop shortages and starvation, resulted in twenty great famines between 1675 and 1837. Peasant unrest grew, and by the late eighteenth century, mass protests over taxes and food shortages had become commonplace. Newly landless families became tenant farmers, while the displaced rural poor moved into the cities. As the fortunes of previously well-to-do families declined, others moved in to accumulate land, and a new, wealthy farming class emerged. Those people who benefited were able to diversify production and to hire laborers, while others were left discontented. Many samurai fell on hard times and were forced into handicraft production and wage jobs for merchants. 
Western intrusions were on the increase in the early nineteenth century. Russian warships and traders encroached on Karafuto (called Sakhalin under Russian and Soviet control) and on the Kuril Islands, the southernmost of which are considered by the Japanese as the northern islands of Hokkaido. A British warship entered Nagasaki Harbor searching for enemy Dutch ships in 1808, and other warships and whalers were seen in Japanese waters with increasing frequency in the 1810s and 1820s. Whalers and trading ships from the United States also arrived on Japan's shores. Although the Japanese made some minor concessions and allowed some landings, they largely attempted to keep all foreigners out, sometimes using force. Rangaku became crucial not only in understanding the foreign "barbarians" but also in using the knowledge gained from the West to fend them off. 
By the 1830s, there was a general sense of crisis. Famines and natural disasters hit hard, and unrest led to a peasant uprising against officials and merchants in Osaka in 1837. Although it lasted only a day, the uprising made a dramatic impression. Remedies came in the form of traditional solutions that sought to reform moral decay rather than address institutional problems. The shogun's advisers pushed for a return to the martial spirit, more restrictions on foreign trade and contacts, suppression of Rangaku, censorship of literature, and elimination of "luxury" in the government and samurai class. Others sought the overthrow of the Tokugawa and espoused the political doctrine of sonno-joi (revere the emperor, expel the barbarians), which called for unity under imperial rule and opposed foreign intrusions. The bakufu persevered for the time being amidst growing concerns over Western successes in establishing colonial enclaves in China following the Opium War of 1839-42. More reforms were ordered, especially in the economic sector, to strengthen Japan against the Western threat. 
Could someone fix this, I have very little knowlegde on the subject, so I cannot do it my self.
IngeniusDodo 20:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  6.1 copied 

message: someone with upload rights might want to consider this visual time line I made for a history course.
Tokugawa-timeline.png
Blizzofoz (talk) 03:04, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New time line picture? 

message: Editors here may find the content of EMJ useful. Full text is freely available at this Knowledge Bank dspace site. LeadSongDog come howl! 21:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Modern Japan (journal) 

message: I tried removing repetition in the begining of the article but this was reverted under pretences of vandalism by 日本穣 — Nihonjoe.
I still think that the article should be made more concise and avoid giving the same information again within adjacent lines, such as the span of the period.
"running from 1603 to 1868. The political entity of this period was the Tokugawa shogunate.
The Tokugawa shogunate was officially established in Edo on 24 March 1603 by the shogun Tokugawa Ieyasu. The Tokugawa shogunate was overthrown by the Meiji Restoration on 3 May 1868"
Would removal of the first be vandalism?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chumchumthegreat (talk • contribs) 22:50, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundant beginning

message: The "Rule of shogun and daimyo" section speaks 2.5 million koku of land. According to its own article a koku can be a measure various quantities but there is no mention of area. Could someone please clarify?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.231.137.15 (talk) 20:06, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Land measured in koku 

message: Something which struck me as rather "off" when reading this article was the claim that 80% of Edo society was comprised of peasants.  This is common knowledge in Japan (i.e. in the high school textbooks), but more recent historical opinion is that the word 百姓, here translated as "peasant," in fact encompassed a number of different occupations including minor tradesmen, dye merchants, sailors etc.  Some even go as far as to argue that Japan is not really a fundamentally agricultural society if you look who really comprise the 百姓 class.  What is known is that the 80% of the population called "peasants" here were not actually peasants.  For more reading on this (in English) see the first and second chapters of Rethinking Japanese History by Amino Yoshihiko: https://www.cjspubs.lsa.umich.edu/images/toc/00-Amino.fm.(i-xl).pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ergandar (talk • contribs) 05:29, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the term "peasants" 

message: I'd like to make a couple changes to the article...for example, one of the sections is titled "from openness to seclusion".  I think that this could be reworded to make it less awkward and establish the actual intent of the section so that readers will have an easier time finding it.  
Also, the main paragraph at the top of the article doesn't seem to cover any basic details about the Tokugawa period such as the fact that the society, isolated from most of the world, became extremely self-sufficient ("wisdom of the Edo period" is often revered for its efficiency in using the materials available to them).  I would like to add a couple sentences to that.
I also propose to move a section of text under the "society" heading, starting with "The individual had no legal rights...".  I think this paragraph would be better suited to after the second paragraph rather than after the paragraphs about eta and hinin.
Nishiyama, Matsunosuke (1997).  Edo Culture: daily life and diversions in urban japan, 1600-1868.  University of Hawai’i Press.
Dragonchild07 (talk) 19:19, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested improvements 

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message: I chose this article to review for a class assignment. The questions I will answer are the following:
Is each fact referenced with an appropriate, reliable reference?
Answer: I've taken courses in Japanese history, and I was fairly impressed with this wiki article, because everything was consistent with the various textbooks I've read, and the article provides great detail. After reading each section and reviewing the references, I do think that every fact is referenced with an appropriate, reliable reference. There were multiple times where the phrase "historians claim" or "many historians believe", but all of them are followed with a reference to which historian said that. Thus, there wasn't any problems or facts that weren't supported in the article. 
Check a few citations. Do the links work? Is there any close paraphrasing or plagiarism in the article?
Answer: For the citations that I clicked, all of the links worked. There wasn't any plagiarism in the article, and there wasn't any paraphrasing that was alarming. When citations were used, I found that the facts collected were always restated in the writer's own words, or very loosely summarized. 
Mowen17 (talk) 13:04, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Review for Class Assignment 

message: The subheading of economy and its children repeats itself multiple times. The article could almost certainly be made more concise, and with less repeating. 24.21.234.232 (talk) 21:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy Subheading 

message: I have never heard this term used before, so I checked the sources, both of which use it only once (cheers to whoever added them btw):
Encyclopedia Brittanica:
:On the one hand, the seclusion policy was instrumental in enabling the Tokugawa bakufu to establish a prolonged peace of nearly 300 years; yet on the other, it has been argued that this simply prolonged a rigid feudal system to an extent unknown elsewhere in the world. Pax Tokugawa may have helped foster commerce and given rise to a unique popular culture, but it also was a narrowly chauvinistic culture with no international dimension. Certainly, one viewpoint is that it produced in the Japanese a unique sense of insularity.
US History.org
:For the first time in centuries, Japan was relatively peaceful. The strict political and social policies of Ieyasu and subsequent shoguns ushered in a golden age of economic and cultural prosperity. To maintain this so-called Pax Tokugawa, the bakufu instituted its sakoku (closed-country) policy in an attempt to keep foreign powers out of Japan. The Spanish, the English, and the Portuguese were expelled as subversive influences.
Both sources use the phrase only once in running prose, and elsewhere consistently use "Edo period." Unless I'm mistaken, I think it's safe to conclude it's just a stylistic device that alludes to the Pax Romana or Pax Brittanica. I'd be convinced otherwise if there were a source that actually preferred "Pax Tokugawa" as a term instead of "Edo period."
Or am I reading this totally wrong?
Cheers, Fredlesaltique (talk) 10:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pax Tokugawa? 

message: Should we add a "history" section to write on the political timeline between 1603 to 1868? Danial Bass (talk) 09:36, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronological timeline?