Talk:Homelessness in England

message: The government collects figures on the number of people sleeping rough.  Google for Rough Sleepers Unit.
I don't like how there is a complete lack of statistics for roughsleepers or homeless in this article. Although there can be some discussion over the exact figures, to not have any figures at all seems to be missing a large peice of information that should be present. Also I'm going to try some accurate figures, not those from the main Homelessness article, which seem to be completely inaccurate for the UK.
Also the first two notes link to the same Guardian article
Danack 08:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the edit and left in the note about the disputed numbers, but feel that a 6 year news article without any other backing isn't very factual. I realise that numbers for just England should be accompanied by some figures for the rest of the UK, and will try to track some down. First wiki edit, please be gentle.Danack (talk) 02:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rough Sleepers Unit

message: The article has, 
"The deaths of hundreds of homeless people are unexplained.  The Bureau of Investigative Journalism found safeguarding adults reviews (SARs) that according to charities determine if the deaths were prevenable, have hardly ever been undertaken after homeless people died.  102 homeless people died between October 2017 and December 2018, three a week on average, despite this only eight SARs were undertaken since 2010.  Experts maintain, without a formal death count and with very few reviews, officials cannot find out why large numbers of homeless people are dying or act to prevent deaths in the future.The deaths of hundreds of homeless people are unexplained.  The Bureau of Investigative Journalism found safeguarding adults reviews (SARs) that according to charities determine if the deaths were prevenable, have hardly ever been undertaken after homeless people died.  102 homeless people died between October 2017 and December 2018, three a week on average, despite this only eight SARs were undertaken since 2010.  Experts maintain, without a formal death count and with very few reviews, officials cannot find out why large numbers of homeless people are dying or act to prevent deaths in the future."
The reference is, Hundreds of deaths of homeless people 'going unexamined'
This is factual information and should be in the article in my opinion.  If others don't like it please alter the wording but don't take it out.  Readers should know that homeless people are dying and their deaths aren't investigated. Proxima Centauri (talk) 07:28, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a tabloid-style and unnecessary sensationalisation of the deaths without giving the full context. Is 102 deaths in 14 months more, or less, than would be the normal rate that would be expected for this population of people in other circumstances? Should the second top-level section in this article be dedicated to this information? Who are the "experts" concerned? It may be a fact that some people have these opinions, but there are other opinions too - should they not be added to give balance per WP:NPOV? -- DeFacto (talk). 09:31, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you know of other opinions?  If you do please give links.Proxima Centauri (talk) 10:21, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: According to The Independent, the ONS think there were nearly 600 deaths, in England and Wales, of homeless people in 2017, more than half of them due to drug poisoning, liver disease and suicide. That was a 24% increase over the preceding 5 years, whilst Crisis report there was a 100% increase in homelessness over the same period. -- DeFacto (talk). 11:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homeless deaths 

message: There is a difference between homelessness and rough sleeping. Should this article be covering the latter too? If so, a name change might be required. -- DeFacto (talk). 11:21, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it largely depends who is giving out the information. Rough sleeping can mean a person is homeless and then again it can also not mean that. For example someone may live with a partner and own/co-own a home but have been kicked out and not be able to get back in their property and therefore be sleeping rough on the street. On the other hand UK government figures tend to skew figures to make them seem lower than they actually are. For example those sofa surfing between friends and relatives homes who are homeless are not often classified as homeless by UK government figures, only those rough sleeping on the streets are. So rough sleepers as I understand are only those living on the streets, which by no means accounts for all homeless people. I think for this reason both should be covered. It is important for this reason to stick to the specific wording of the source and not conflate or use homeless and rough sleeping interchangeably. If the source say X amount are rough sleepers this should be parroted exactly, the same if the source states Y amount are homeless. Helper201 (talk) 11:55, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope 

message: https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN02007/CBP01164.pdf has more uptodate figures pg. 23-34 - Total decisions 282,240
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Crisis has carried out research with Heriot-Watt University to define ‘core homelessness’ and estimate its extent, based on available data. Crisis’ 2021 Homelessness monitor publication estimated that around 220,000 households or individuals experienced core homelessness in England in 2019. Around half of these cases (110,000) involved sofa surfing, followed by people/households in homeless hostels (42,000), in “unsuitable” temporary accommodation (19,000), and other unconventional accommodation such as cars and boats (19,000). Crisis estimate that the level of core homelessness dropped to around 200,000 in 2020, mostly due to the ‘Everyone In’ programme aimed at accommodating people at risk of rough sleeping during the Covid-19 outbreak.68 88.112.31.26 (talk) 02:51, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  2021 figures 

message: https://www.crisis.org.uk/ending-homelessness/homelessness-knowledge-hub/homelessness-monitor/england/the-homelessness-monitor-england-2023/ gives time series updates 91.154.169.156 (talk) 19:12, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  homeless monitor