Talk:York Road tube station

message: Hi. I'm referring to this sentence, in the third paragraph:
The platform layout is almost identical to Caledonian Road (the next station to the north), but in a very gentle convex curve.
I took out "convex" because I felt that it was difficult to see its meaning in this context. AlisonW put it back in with a link to the disambiguation page Convex and Grafen changed this to the Wiktionary page to which is it still linked. Unfortunately, and I apologize if it's just me being thick, I still honestly do not think that the sentence works. Sure, once you know what it means it's fine, but this isn't really what's supposed to happen. So, for example, once I'd seen Alison's rather handy mini-diagram (logogram? typogram??) thus: () I could go, oh yeah, I see. Similarly, if you look at the platform plan linked from the article then you very quickly see that same () shape. But, I maintain, when you see the words "gentle convex curve" from a state of, er, innocence, then it means nothing ... all curved lines are convex and concave: it just depends on where you're standing. The impression that that sentence gave to me, as an innocent reader, was that the whole station is on a single curve - that is, the line is curved as a whole at that point - and that the author didn't know how to describe its shape: as if it's curved, but it appears (say) concave if you are standing in Wharf Road and (say) convex if you're on Havelock Street. Indeed, I still don't really see how a single curve can be convex and the links don't really help me much - the missing piece of language here is where you describe this: () - and that is not fully and easily covered by "convex curve". Apart from anything else, it is simply not a single curve - if anything it is a pair of curves, with each having convexity viewed outwards from its platform or concavity(?) viewed inwards from a passing train (yeah, 1:20 out of Cally Road, I know!); and if anything it looks more like the station is not in aggregate on a curve, or much of one, but fairly straight. From the plan it looks like the curving is to do with fitting the station in, not to do with the line as a whole needing to change direction at this point. 
Is there, I wonder, a simple, elegant piece of language which accurately describes this in a way which is immediately accessible to the first-time reader? I'd love to think that there is, and if not, I fear that it either needs a clunky and inelegant explanation of what is actually meant, or omitting. I'd be very grateful for your views on this. Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "simple, elegant piece of language which accurately describes this" - quite. some stations have enough space between the tubes for parallel platforms, York Road didn't, so the roads widen enough to squeeze in curved outward (ie 'convex') ones (as opposed to both-curved-in-same-direction). The line itself doesn't change direction at York Road. And if you can word it better please do! --AlisonW (talk) 11:31, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Convex complexity - help! 

message: I was very interested in and excited by this edit in which 213.52.213.133 added "It now has a sign outside stating it will reopen as "Granary" in 2015." Sadly there is no ref for this; I am tempted to remove it, having not found anything myself. What do you think? I am sending that editor a Talkback notification about this. I would much rather we could keep it in with a reference but it's not much use without. Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:56, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen so many sources now saying it can never be reopened *as a tube station* that this only sounds like it might be a food shop. Reasons such as 'too near KX', 'not enough platform width/length for modern needs', 'not able to be upgraded to meet current H&S requirements and not able to be grandfathered-in', and the simplest one: 'Picc line is too busy to be able to add another stop' (though there is a very outside possibility that could change after the NT4L upgrade finishes in the next decade, but don't hold your breath.) Sorry! --AlisonW (talk) 15:04, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Slight revision to my earlier comment: "The Granary" is the name which has been given to the big building in the middle of the area, now used by Central St Martins, so there is some logic to that as a possible name, especially as the original cannot be used. There is a report, however, on just how expensive opening would be if the Picc could cope (which it can't, anyway) here: http://lurs.org.uk/articles10_htm_files/york%20road.pdf (pdf). The report notes the BCR is a near-to-zero 0.03:1, ie will never happen. --AlisonW (talk) 13:34, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you so much for looking into this. It sounds vanishingly unlikely, and we still don't have a RS to quote so I have removed the claim. Hope this is OK. Best wishes to all DBaK (talk) 20:00, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Won't happen (imnsho!) as the station would have to be entirely rebuilt to modern fire/disability standards (closed too long to be grandfathered in), alongside there just not being the line capacity. Even though there is lots happening in the area it is very unlikely that this station would reopen, especially as there is now a below-ground walking route to the Granary area. --AlisonW (talk) 13:19, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reopening revisited? 

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