Talk:It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

message: Is there any reason why this links to Radio Song and Drive as well as the actual previous/next singles, The One I Love and Finest Worksong? -- Stubbsy67 18:54, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles chronology 

message: Can anyone put up a link to factual lyrics? I've searched and found many different versions, and most people I know don't know the exact lyrics. Normally I wouldn't care, but this particular song goes so fast, it seems appropriate. DarthLuigi36 23:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed.  An authoritative (i.e. official REM or IRS Records) source is desperately needed.  A simply google search for the song title plus the word "lyrics" produces wildly conflicting and utterly nonauthoritative sources (and to echo a sentiment in a thread below: no, karaoke discs are not sources - the karaoke outfit I hang with has two (Sweet Georgia Brown and Sound Choice brand) discs with this song on it, and the lyrics are almost absurdly different. 68.35.40.113 09:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics 

message: We have a see also for list of songs about the environment, but the body of the article does not state why. What is this song about? If it is about the environment it becomes important to state just what it is saying about the environment. Until then, the see also should be removed. 204.69.40.7 11:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The song was involved by Greenpeace Rocks project with Greenpeace's video of industries, pollutions and protest actions. KonstKaras 20:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Environment 

message: The list of the song's appearances in popular culture at the start could be split into its own section. And can anyone remember which BBC Radio 4 comedy used the song as its theme tune? I'm sure it was one with Andy Hamilton. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pontificake (talk • contribs).
Sorry for forgetting to sign. I think the answer to my question might have been "15 Storeys High" but I can't back that up at the moment. Pontificake 20:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Places song has been used 

message: "Warren Towers" is listed as a reference in the song under 'Lyrics'; however, even the lyrics linked to in the article say that the lyric says "foreign towers," NOT "Warren Towers." Although it's hardly authorative, I believe that Karaoke Revolution also lists the lyric as "foreign towers." Maybe "Warren Towers" should be removed? Shavedchimp 04:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one else has objected, and I agree with you, so I've removed the reference. -- Heath 24.127.52.67 04:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur. It's definitely "foreign towers" (whatever that might actually refer to). 68.35.40.113 09:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Still there, though: I even LIVED in Warren Towers and support "foreign towers."  http://www.davemcnally.com/lyrics/REM/ITSTHEENDOFTHEWORLDASWEKNOWIT(ANDIFEELFINE).asp, http://www.remrock.com/remrock/lyrics_display.php?the_track_id=a05t06 and other sources have as "foreign tower(s)"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ziquemu (talk • contribs) 02:05, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warren Towers? 

message: There should information on the single versons of this song and their b-sides, following suit with discrpitions of all the other R.E.M. singles. If there's no objections, I'm going to  add them a little later, at a point in my life where it's NOT one-oh-five in the morning...--24.15.165.14 06:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be useful; the US radio single version dropped an entire set of verses; significant. 68.35.40.113 09:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles? 

message: According to a Google search 
The end of ... as we know it is a very popular slogan template. Is it a cite from a song? or this template existed earlier? KonstKaras 20:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is a "slogan template"? 68.35.40.113 09:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The phrase does not come from the song. The song comes from the phrase. A similar thing happened to "Will the real (insert name here) please stand up", which was used by Eminem in the song "The Real Slim Shady", but which predates the song.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.116.162.162 (talk) 20:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's not readily obvious for foreigners that the phrase "the end of the world as we know it" existed before the song in a context of survivalism (see here). Michael Stipe didn't come up with that saying himself, but appropriated it. It would be interesting to know whether he got it from a survivalism handbook, for example, or from the TV movie Threads (1984), that used it as a tagline and was somewhat recent in 1986, when he was working on the song. Or maybe the phrase was even more available than that, in common vernacular, I don't know. Even the abbreviation TEOTWAWKI was coopted by R.E.M. fans when referring to the song as ITEOTWAWKI (AIFF), so it's likely that someone, if not Stipe himself, made that link . - 2804:14C:5B84:815F:799A:325E:B929:E1E0 (talk) 04:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refrain as slogan 

message: Why does CERN redirects here? I want to look for information about the European Organization for Nuclear Research. Does anyone know if there is a page for it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.60.157 (talk) 03:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CERN 

message: Does anyone know a viable source for the drinking game associated with this song?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.26.82 (talk) 13:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DRINKING GAME 

message: Is it true that this song was banned after the events of 9/11? 24.4.236.247 (talk) 04:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Banned where? It was probably banned in, like, some bar somewhere, but not on any large scale. 74.102.152.85 (talk) 02:09, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

text: Not banned, but included in a list of songs that Clear Channel thought "lyrically questionable".  Hoof Hearted (talk) 21:32, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it true? 

message: Barenaked Ladies have covered this song.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.233.8.246 (talk) 05:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In a released form, or live? - Dudesleeper /  Talk 11:07, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe they are mistaking R.E.M as the Barenaked Ladies. This song plays frequently on a local Toronto radio station and for a while I thought it was the Barenaked Ladies too, as their vocals are similar and it sounds like the kind of song the Barenaked Ladies would play. In any case, there's no evidence the song was ever recorded by BNL. 2607:FEA8:5860:700:C81C:1A0E:DE1C:601A (talk) 19:49, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

text: That is fine. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:27, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover 

message: At least one of the track listings in the article must be giving an incorrect length.  At least one of them (at least two, according to discogs) ought to match the sidebar's "single version" time of 3:29 - currently, every wikipedia instance conforms to the "album version" of ~4:04.  184.78.166.161 (talk) 18:38, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is definitely a shorter single version, which cuts some of the repeated material toward the end, and even drops some lyrics. Anyone who knows the song well will recognize it, because their attempts to sing along to it will be bollixed.  Fortunately, this version is rare in karaoke.  :-)   — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  11:26, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "single version"?? 

message: I've heard claims that this song is about policy debate. Specifically High School debate, where they're trained to speak fast, everything is the end of the world, but it's just an exercise so in the end everybody feels fine. However I see nothing about this one way or the other in this article. Perhaps it could be addressed.
The type of High School debate you are referring to is called C-X Debate (Cross Examination Debate). The goal in this type of debate is to overwhelm your opponent with evidence suggesting that their position on the topic will cause the "End of the World" so to speak. As a result of the judging being primarily focused on the evidence presented, the debaters are trained to speak as quickly as possible to present as much information and evidence as possible to defend their case. This same style of speaking is very similar to that heard in the song.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.227.147.250 (talk) 21:57, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claims that the song is about High School Debate 

message: Followup comment on the grammatical distinction: The fact is that while introductory sources on English grammar (pedagogical and remedial works for a general audience, not professional linguistics material) like to deliver generalities like "prepositions are always before nouns and subordinating conjunctions are always before clauses" and "as is always a conjunction and like is always a preposition", the fact of the matter is that it is not this simple. Linguists and proto-linguists have been arguing about this very matter, and specifically about these two words, quite literally for centuries (one of the dictionaries already cited covers this in summary form).When the leading lexicographical organisation in the English-speaking world (in the world at all, really) says that both words have conjunctive  prepositional uses, and specifically defines the "used to refer to the function or character that someone or something has" usage (the one in question here) as prepositional, despite it not frequently being used before noun[ phrase]s in this sense, then WP is not really in a position, per WP:NOR, to contradict this, especially when other RS routinely are down-casing "as" in this construction. It's no accident than even the capitalisation-happy journalism sources use lower case for this more often than not. The headaches over as/like are probably why the four-letter rule was adopted in journalism so broadly, and why various news publishers like NYT also have rules to always lower-case as, as too short to bother capitalising, and because it takes too much writer/editor time to be 100% certain a use is prepositional with these words. It's just most expedient for them, under their tight news deadlines, to memorize "Like is up, as is down" and move on.The dispute/confusion/transition arises when a clause becomes so fixed that it becomes mostly or entirely immutable and operates syntactically as a unit, and thus is parsed as if it were a noun phrase. That seems to be the case here; the entire expression "the end of  as we know it" is stock, with very few variations, also stock. You will not encounter it in randomly modified form, e.g "the finish of  as we were acclimated to it", etc.  I was initially tempted to treat this as a subordinating use, too, but if the RS are not, and the question is perpetual even among academics, then I'm not in a position (at WP) to contradict them.Anyway, given that the distinction, for this particular word, is blurred in the real word, the MOS:CAPS default of using lower case applies, even aside from any WP:COMMONNAME arguments one might want to try to advance but which are not really applicable to style matters or we would not have a style guideline and a separate titles policy that defers to the style guideline on style matters. In the end, I think this is a good "test case" against doing original research to "prove" a grammatical point when we already have top-flight sources telling us there is no real-world consensus on the question, and we should remember this next time this comes up at another RM discussion about as or like.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  11:22, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh well, "As You Like It." Martinevans123 (talk) 11:40, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Post-RM considerations for future similar RMs' rationales

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message: I've heard that there were some radio stations who played this song in certain parts of North America.
*KXXR
*CFEX-FM
*KNDD
*WENZ
*KZJK
What else do you think should be in this list? Ask me then. RevinCBHatol (talk) 00:54, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radio stations playing this song 

message: What is/(are) the best genre/(s) to describe this song? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:20, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , It's nice of you to seek consensus but the IPs and sockpuppet accounts vandalizing this are evading a ban and are not going to listen to reason. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:01, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thanks. I guess edit summaries like this  are a bit of a giveaway. I was unaware that this infobox field had been the focus of edit warring since at least 1 October last year. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre