Talk:Kingdom of Kongo

message: Hi!
I had a question on the Wikipedia reference desk about the section of this article that talks about games played in Kongo - and specifically the game: 'nclaca'.  I did a lot of searching around and I can find NO references to this game in books or on the Internet.  Since the information was added by an anonymous editor who has never added anything else to Wikipedia - I'm deeply suspicious of this information.  Notably, the William Holman Bentley book which supposedly talks about games played in the Kongo makes no mention (according to my search on Google Books) of a game by this name.
I think it's nonsense - so it's gone!
SteveBaker 18:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a reasonable action to me.Scott Free 19:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: On second thought...we might need to put that section back after all.  The following section in googlebooks (which I found in all of 30 seconds) seems to back up some parts of the game section.  Check it out...http://books.google.com/books?id=N65pbr2hC4wC&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102&dq=bakongo+games&source=web&ots=2HGd7AtRnR&sig=N3ptl4z6oQanWTFJIJ3Byvq2Wjc#PPA102,M1
Scott Free 20:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Games in Kongo. 

message: (Edit conflict)
You are being silly, again User:Perspicacite (aka Jose João). 
Since I can see no mention of "passive voice" whatever in that very long post you just made, would you be kind enough to revert yourself, please? (Update: a sensible editor has now removed your irrelevant comments).
If there is no justification for your assertion about passive voice then just simply say so rather than play silly buggers. Alice✉ 06:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Disruption

message: Knock it off. Avruchtalk 18:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit warring 

message: Could someone please make a map of the Kongo, in the standard form of maps on Wikipedia (like )? Because that Map photo that is there is too vague. Thanks
64.88.170.32 (talk) 05:18, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of Kongo 

message: In the article lead it gives the start date of the kingdom as 1400, but in the infobox it says 1395. Though it seems that there is no exact start date, or even year, these dates should anyways be coordinated into whichever that is most correct. -GabaG (talk) 15:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Start date

message: I am planning on removing the section labeled "Social Structure" which relates to homosexual practices.  The references cited there to not relate to the Kingdom of Kongo, nor to my knowledge were such practices ever reported for the kingdom.  The last line, containing a reference to Cadornega's Historia geral is an appropriate reference to West Central Africa (the earlier ones do not even relate to the general region), but applies to the Kimbundu-speaking area, specifically the "kibandas'.  James Sweet has written about his in his book Recreating Africa.  It would be appropriate to move that line, and fuller references drawn from Sweet to that location (Kingdom of Ndongo or Kingdom of Matamba).  I will return and make the removal in a few days.  Beepsie (talk) 18:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's acceptable within Wikipedia to repeat other portions of Wikipedia.  Could you or your sockpuppet account provide a link to which Wikipedia article it was originally used from?  Also, you have just shown that you do not know what Wikipedia considers vandalism.  Sourced information intended to expand the article is not vandalism; vandalism consists of changes that are not made in good-faith.  Could you or your sockpuppet account provide any sources showing how that section is misleading?  Ian.thomson (talk) 01:34, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also in Kingdom of Mutapa. A quote from the source mentioning Kongo: "Similarly, in 1680, Cardonega noled: "Sodomy is rampant among the people of Angola. They pursue their impudent and filthy practices dressed as women. Their own name for those (of the same sex] who have carnal relations with each other is quimbanda. Some quimbandas are powerful wizards, who are much esteemed by most Angolans" (1680: 86, translation—S.O.M). Clearly, chibadi, chibanda, chibados, jimbandaa, kibamha, and quimbanda are related terms. Given the participation of such individuals in the religious rites of the Kongo kingdom, it may be that the term (and the role) diffused with the expansion of that state." Dougweller (talk) 06:05, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Social Structure Section

message: Right now the section describes matrilinial succession and the Chibadi.  Undue weight is an issue, so I've gone to Google books to look for more sources.
So far, I've found
*Encyclopedia of African American History, Volume 1, p.62 By Leslie M. Alexander, Walter C. Rucker
*Almanac of African peoples & nations, pp.435-437 By Muhammad Zuhdi Yakan
*The history of Congo, p.27 and onward By Ch. Didier Gondola
There's plenty there to expand on the article instead of trying to censor it.
Ian.thomson (talk) 00:43, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not bothered, and I note that material on the social structure in earlier versions seems to have been deleted. The edit warring and sock puppetry didn't help at all though. Thanks for responding. Dougweller (talk) 12:22, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social structure 

message: I have deleted the map on this page entitled "Kongo in 1711".  While it had good aesthetics, it was completely inaccurate, and I have replaced it with a map I drew in 1977 as part of my PhD thesis.  I spent a good deal of time on this map, and drew it directly from primary sources, including the travel accounts of Luca da Caltanisetta, Marcellino d'Atri, Bernardo da Gallo and Lorenzo da Lucca.  I was also guided by Jean Cuvelier's various maps.  I'm quite sure it is accurate both in its topographical detail (I used the Angola Cadastral survey maps at 1:250,000 to draw the underlying geography) and in its historical depictation.  Beepsie (talk) 00:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Map

message: hello peoples but excuse me i am kind of new to wikipedia and I'm trying to cite it could some one please give the info about whos the orginal author orignal publisher and the orginal published date if that is possible thank you your awesome Killmizz12 (talk) 17:15, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The publisher of what? If you mean this article, the people and editors can be found here. If it's about using this article as a reference see Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. Sjö (talk) 17:37, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  publisher/ author/ date origanally made 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello, can someone help me?
There is a person who states that Bukongo (the Kongo religion) disappeared in 1509, which is false because there were Bakongo who continued to practise Bukongo and till today there are Bakongo who continue to practise Bukongo. Not all Bakongo were practised Catholicism.
+ Christianity more spread during colonizations (French, Belgian and Portuguese)... Somebody040404 (talk) 02:31, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kongo religion 

message: I have made substantial changes in this page to the history of the foundation of the country to include recent publications by John Thornton, primarily his book A History of West Central Africa to 1850 (Cambridge, 2020).  In doing this I have eliminated a number of references and data which I believe has no clear foundation.  Thornton also published a revision of his 1977 estimate of Kongo's population which is also inserted.  I remain open to suggestions or criticisms of my interpretation of Thornton's work, or otherwise.
User:beepsieBeepsie (talk) 22:24, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major changes 

message: In History section,
"makanda" links to a city in the USA.
This appears to be incorrect.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milesfoot (talk • contribs) 13:29, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect link 

message: I read this page with interest- then growing doubt. Large parts of this page have no citation whatsoever— lengthy tracts on history, politics— even the map is self-made. What assurance do we have that what is documented here is true? 2A02:C7C:376D:BA00:7CA7:6007:8374:8406 (talk) 07:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should be marked as problematic