Talk:Russian alphabet

message: I recently moved to Russia and found that the letter Λ was frequently used, though it didn't exist in my dictionary or this wikipedia article.  As it turns out, it is commonly used as the 'El' since the standard л is so similar to 'Pe' ( п ).  Can this be included in the table somehow?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seyon (talk • contribs) 14:11, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Letter 'El' 

message: Please! Lets talk at Talk:Transliteration of Russian into English! Mikkalai 22:34, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration 

message: Is there a reason that images are being used for certain characters?  Are they not found in Unicode?  Thanks.  --ChrisRuvolo 14:46, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The Yat Image:Yat_uc_ru.PNGImage:Yat_lc_ru.PNG is easily represented: Ѣѣ.    The Fita Image:Fita_uc_ru.PNGImage:Fita_lc_ru.PNG also: Ѳѳ.  Ksi: Ѯѯ Psi: Ѱѱ Omega: Ѡ ѡ Yus: Ѧѧ big yus: Ѫѫ and variants: Ѩѩ Ѭѭ .. So whats the deal?  --ChrisRuvolo 15:33, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: They are not present in all fonts, including the default font in the default skin as shown under MS-win and IE. A. Shetsen 03:32, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That is pretty bogus of MS to not have a properly implemented font.  So the lowest common denominator is used?  I don't like that.. but I guess that is how things go.  --ChrisRuvolo 04:11, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images for characters? 

message: The mnemonic recitation of the letter names is similar to something I heard about the Glagolitic alphabet.
Was the recitation retrofitted to Glagolitic or was it carried on to Cyrillic?
-- Error 01:30, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: In Glagolitic

message: "New York" was given in Russian alphabet#Letters eliminated in 1918 as an example for the use of і. However, this is not a good example for two reasons: 
# the spelling of this kind of words was considered controversial (see note 92 from section called "iо, йо, ьо?" in Я.К. Грот "", 1885), 
# (related to first) it is not an example of pronunciation being identical to и (rather, it is identical to й in this case). 
So, I'm changing the example.--Imz 21:28, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved: New-York in the examples for the use of Decimal I 

message: I believe the consonant which sound is marked as "h as in huge" is actually a gutural R sound, not so much like the softer h sound in English.
:You believe wrong. Delicates 14:12, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a voiceless velar fricative, similar to the ch Bach (which is actually uvular, not ).  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 01:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  That X consonant 

message: Please see the new page at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Cyrillic), aimed at 
#  Documenting the use of Cyrillic and its transliteration in Wikipedia
#  Discussing potential revision of current practices
—Michael Z. 2005-12-9 20:43 Z
If I want to write a Russian word in a Wikipedia article, using Cyrillic orthography, how do I go about it?  I know Russian and I know how to spell the word, but I don't know how to access Cyrillic in this system.  JackofOz 09:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are working under Windows, try using the Character Map program under Accessories / System Tools.  About three pages down for the Arial font you run into Cyrillic characters.  Double click on the ones you want to build the word and then copy and paste it from Character Map over to the Wikipedia editor box.  You'll get something like this: "АБВГДЕЖЗИЙКЛМНОПРСТУФХЦЧШЩЪЫЬЭЮЯ" and "абвгдежзийклмнопрстуфхцчшщъыьэюя".  Good luck! --StuffOfInterest 12:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyrillic in Wikipedia 

message: In my experience, the letter Э is merely called by its sound (eh)- I have never heard of calling it Э  оборотное. It is called by this name in non-Muscovite Russian? Schnabeltier Angriff 19:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, i kratkoe is also often just called y. -Iopq 14:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How would you say that then?  The same as и? BirdValiant 02:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Say "yeast", and then say it again without "-east". It wouldn't make sense to pronounce it as 'i'; would you pronounce a lone english 'w' as 'u'?67.186.247.125 19:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean to say that when pronouncing either j or w by themselves, you would basically move your tongue from the schwa position to the i or u positions, respectively? Or maybe from j or w to a schwa. I'm no expert in linguistics, but aren't j and w just movements toward i and u? That's why I thought that j by itself would just be i, since by itself, the tongue wouldn't be moving anywhere to get to its destination, i. I think another way of saying j or w would actually be the movement from a schwa to those consonants, or those consonants to a schwa. In the above example, with the Y in the word yeast, the sound I hear is the movement from a schwa, since that's where my tongue starts from, toward j, then if the rest of the word is pronounced, the tongue is moved down a little towards i. BirdValiant 03:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not quite. [j] and [w] are semivowels, meaning they are really just really short vowels that act like consonants. Like you guessed, [j] and [w] are the semivocalic counterparts of [i] and [u], respectively. Your tongue does not start in the schwa position for either of them; your tongue actually starts in the [i] or [u] position, and then moves to the next vowel. For example, in the word "yes", your tongue would start out near the roof of your mouth as [i], but then quickly move to [ɛ], and then to [s]. There is no schwa [ə]. The word "yeast" would be phonetically transcribed as [jist]. Because [j] is the semivocalic counterpart of [i], [ji] ends up just being [i] without a glottal stop before it, possibly slightly longer as well. In several dialects, though, [i] is slightly diphthongized to [ɪi̯] (where [ɪ] is the vowel in "bit" and the ̯  diacritic means that the vowel is part of the same syllable as the one next to it). In those dialects, yeast would be better transcribed as [jɪi̯st], where the word would start out as [i], then quickly move to [ɪ] and then [i], after which it would go to [s] and then [t]. I'm not sure why you say "the tongue is moved down a little towards i", because [i] is pretty much as close to the roof of the mouth as vowels go (same with [u]). The [ɹ] sound (written with the letter r) is also a semivowel. It is, more or less, the semivocalic counterpart of the [ɚ] vowel found in rhotic dialects of English (the second vowel in "maker"), including most American accents (in truth, the English sound transcribed as [ɹ] is actually labialized [ɹʷ] and sometimes retracted to [ɹ̠ʷ] or even [ɻʷ]). You are right, though, in that [j] by itself would just be [i]; not necessarily a very short [i], because sounds like [n] are usually pronounced just as short as [j], but when said alone, they are usually lengthened, so [j] could just as well be pronounced alone the same as a regular [i], although you might pronounce it extra-short for clarity. You could pronounce it as [jə], [j] followed by a schwa, to clarify that it is a consonant, but that wouldn't be [j] by itself. I don't know what sound the person at IP address 67.186.247.125 was trying to imply; maybe it was [jə]. Zgialor (talk) 14:13, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, quite the necropost. I'm actually still alive, as it turns out. BirdValiant (talk) 05:54, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

text: That sort of thing actually depends on language, Zgialor. Anecdotally I can say that, for English,  and  seem more constricted than their vocalic counterparts (but not usually enough to produce the turbulence found in fricatives). — Æµ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 17:12, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, yes, that may be true. Personally, I cannot hear or feel the difference between [j] and [i] (other than length and one being syllabic), but it may be different for you, and I may just not be able to tell. However, it would still be rather difficult to tell the difference between [j̩] and [i] if they were used to name <й> and <и>, respectively, so is would make little sense to say <й> rather than <и краткое>. Back to the original post, I don't know what the page looked like in 2006, but right now, <э оборотное> is listed as an old name for the letter, with just <э> being the current name. Zgialor (talk) 14:26, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Э оборотное vs. э 

message: I'm trying to decipher a text written in cursive Russian, but the current article was no help. The Cyrillic alphabet page was more helpful with that, but then it documents only the cursive version of basic Cyrillic letters, not the cursive version of special Russian letters such as " Ы ". I suggest someone knowledgable would add the cursive version of each upper/lower case letter, right below each regular version (there's already room for it anyway). -- 62.147.87.26 07:18, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing  cursive versions 

message: The article should have a section describing the encoding of Russian characters.
Historically, tens of different encoding schemes were implemented, and several are still in use.
How about a table with various encodings of azbuka?
dima 13:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Encoding 

message: Why is the IPA for Э given in brackets rather than slashes? Is [ɛ] not a phonemic sound?--YellowLeftHand 19:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Brackets and slashes, as far as I remember from the page about IPA, are nearly identical, with slashes referring to a more general pronunciation, while brackets indicate it is very specific (all those little subscript and superscript and other character modifications.) Also, it says "e in met", yet for IPA it shows /e/ which is a long a sound, like in feint, either I'm pronouncing met wrong (doubtful as I speak northwestern american english and it usually removes met vowel sounds in certain circumstances, don't think it would ever add them.) It seems to me what may have happened is someone tried to change it to slashes, didn't know how to get the right IPA character (browsers pretty much make u use copy paste and that is time-consuming) and just put an e in there. Btw-I do hav an account, I'm not logged in because I just havent spent the time to login while on this new version of Safari yet.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.233.38 (talk) 23:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The "e in met" is the closest equivalent in English.  Don't let the transcription fool you.  Russian  is often a mid-vowel (similar to met in e.g. RP).  While English  is a long vowel, the IPA character doesn't carry an assumption of length with it. — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 02:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Э 

message: For example, there is ща  in the list (not matching the modern standard pronunciation). The case I'm worried about is твердо : first of all, it doesn't show the regular ё (so, it might be a Church Slavonic tradition or an error of a Wikipedia editor; I do not know how this name was commonly pronounced at the times when it was used in Russia). And another issue is tvʲ/tʲvʲ: since it's a more automatic process than the "е to ё", it was probably pronounced the same way the speaker would pronounce it in his normal Russian (without caring about Church Slavonic); and the Moscow pronunciation of the beginning of 20th century would probably be [tʲvʲ]. I do not know what should be written there, I just want to raise this issue.--Imz (talk) 21:10, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The way I've been transcribing them phonetically is with modern standard Russian (AFAIK) even for the older terms.  A hefty amount of research would need to be done to figure out the older pronunciations, but it's possible to do.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 21:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there reasons to keep ща  then?--Imz (talk) 22:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I guess not.  is the better alternative.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 22:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The obsolete description of "щ" still exists. The combination "Welsh cheese" could be used for the Russian historical pronunciation or Ukrainian, not modern Russian. There is no /ɕtɕ/, only /ɕɕ/. --Anatoli (talk) 03:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

text:   should be written  (see Help:IPA/Russian ). I've changed this. Spel-Punc-Gram (talk) 07:12, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  which variant should be used for the pronunciation of the "old name" 

message: In the alphabet section:
"Ъ - a sign which, placed after a consonant, indicates it is not palatalized"
"Ь - a sign which, placed after a consonant, indicates a softened pronunciation"
If my understanding that this two letters play more or less opposite roles, maybe it'd look less confusing and more consistent to use the same way to describe them, for example "it is not palatalized/it is palatalized" or "a hard pronunciation/a soft pronunciation".
In the vowels section:
"4. The vowels <е, ё, и, ю, я> indicate a preceding palatal consonant"
I believe what it's trying to say is "palatalized" instead of "palatal", as not that many consonants appear to be purely palatal.
Keith Galveston (talk) 07:28, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 07:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some rephrasing suggestions 

message: I added a new section but I'd like to ask for some help about the easiest method to insert a word stress symbol on Russian words, here in Wikipedia, other Windows applications and text areas on the web. Can anyone help, please?
I have created this Russian lesson (#5) with the word stress in Wikibooks: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Russian/Lesson_5 I had to do a lot of copy/paste. Not very convenient. --Atitarev (talk) 22:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stress indication 

message: Can someone help me make sense of this section? The section seems nonsensical to me. --RossF18 (talk) 15:01, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "names of the letters" section 

message: Throughout this article there are transcriptions that include the phoneme /e/ with an English example that actually has the phoneme /ɛ/. The letter's "Е" transcription, for instance, is "/je/ or / ʲe/" and the English example of that sound is "ye in yet". As far as I'm concerned, the phoneme /e/ doesn't exist in English, at least in the major dialects. It's a bit closer than /ɛ/, like in French "demodé", German "Esel", Portuguese "esse" or Finnish "että". Wisapi (talk) 15:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't let the transcription of these two languages fool you.  There are numerous allophones of Russian , including close-mid, mid, and open-mid ones.  In addition, There's a range amongst English dialects between mid and open-mid realizations of .  The English approximations, I think, are close enough for .  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 21:22, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether the English approximations are close enough or not for /e/, may be a question of one's mother language influence on phones perception. As a native Portuguese speaker, these are total different phones to me, and if I mix them up, people won't understand me. Conversely, /ɛ/ and /æ/ sound almost identical to me and I had to put I a great effort into learning to differentiate pairs like <bed> and <bad> or <pet> and <pat>. As there is a great number of ESLs using the anglophone Wikipedia who may be able to pronounce the the proper phone effortlessly if instructed right, I'm in favor that the most painstacking transcription be used in phonology articles along with a note that the English example is just a rough approximation when it isn't exactly the same. This may seem a little perfectionist, but if people may profit from it, why not? And if there are inumerous allophones for /e/ extending from [e] to [æ], why not simply noting, "Explicit pronounciation [e], but ranging from [e] to [æ] in allophones"? Wisapi (talk) 02:31, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Because all the pronunciations are approximate to English .  Detailed phonetic discussion of the contextual variants should (and does) go at Russian phonology.  Approximations are, well, approximate and readers should expect that phonetic details will be glossed over in that way, no?  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 03:49, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I don't think that's a good idea. — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 18:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  /e/ vs. /ɛ/ 

message: In Russian, two letters are visibly different from their original scripts. These are Д "de" and Л "el". These are displayed (if italicised with the Garamond font) similar to the Alexander font. The characters of these letters in Garamond font are rendered as follows: Д (Cyrillic letter "de"), and Л (Cyrillic letter "el"). The letters are similar to the Greek Δ "delta" and Λ "lambda", as the Cyrillic alphabet derived from the Greek alphabet.
::My question was, can I show the display variations (at least in this page) as a note? so that people are aware of Cyrillic deriving from Greek? Thnx! :D 
::::::序名三「Jyonasan」 TalkStalk 23:22, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That might be better placed at Cyrillic alphabet or Early Cyrillic alphabet, since it's not just the Russian variant that this happens in (right?).  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 00:46, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. So... would I be able to add a note to the letters, at the bottom the note will describe my explanation. Would that be ok? 序名三「Jyonasan」 TalkStalk 03:01, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so.  Give it a try and, if it's weird, we can tweak it or talk about it. — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 05:37, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glyphs 

message: There is a website that allows you to transliterate to and from the major transliteration (romanisation) systems.
:: http://www.translit.cc/
I have found a website, which agrees with Russian dictionaries and transliteration tools. But the reason why I also agree with it is because (according to my grandfather's Russian books on transliteration), this transliteration systems are more favoured, and complied with Russian grammar/spelling. 
::http://moscow.usembassy.gov/transliteration_e.html
There is another favoured transliteration system: ISO-9 1995
The most frequent problems with Russian transliteration are the letters:
::е, ё, ж, и, й, х, ц, ч, ш, щ, ъ, ы, ь, э, ю, and я.
There should be a "transliteration compromise" that combines the most used transliteration systems, so transliterised words could be accurate.
Here is a website that shows all the transliteration systems Compromised! http://www.eki.ee/wgrs/rom1_ru.htm
::::::::序名三「Jyonasan」 TalkStalk 01:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct Transliteration 

message: Even though the Russian letter <Ж> sounds like a Voiced retroflex fricative, in many dialects in major cities (especially in Moscow, St. Petersburg, etc.) it is a Voiced postalveolar fricative.
Here are the features of a Voiced postalveolar fricative:
*Its manner of articulation is fricative, which means it is produced by constricting air flow through a narrow channel at the place of articulation, causing turbulence.
*Its place of articulation is postalveolar which means it is articulated with the tip of the tongue between the alveolar ridge and the palate, but closer to the alveolar ridge than for alveolo-palatal consonants.
*Its phonation type is voiced, which means the vocal cords are vibrating during the articulation.
*It is an oral consonant, which means air is allowed to escape through the mouth.
*It is a central consonant, which means it is produced by allowing the airstream to flow over the middle of the tongue, rather than the sides.
*The airstream mechanism is pulmonic egressive, which means it is articulated by pushing air out of the lungs and through the vocal tract, rather than from the glottis or the mouth.
::This includes many features in the letter Ж. So, why is the Russian letter Ж classified ONLY in the phonology category of a Voiced retroflex fricative and not also in the category of a Voiced postalveolar fricative? There is a website that allows native speakers from their native countries to pronounce words (letters in this case) in fluent Russian, and here is "Zhe" (transliterised as either <žɛ>/<ʒɛ>, or in the case of a Voiced retroflex fricative: <ʐɛ>):
::::| Forvo Ж
::::Here is another website, showing all the Russian letters pronounce by Russian natives: http://listen2russian.com/lesson01/a/
Please, If it is possible to consider BOTH WIDELY KNOWN DIALECTS OF RUSSIAN (Both which are considered official to the USSR [Soviet Union] now known as the Russian Federation.) Thank you. :D
::::::::序名三「Jyonasan」 TalkStalk 01:03, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: People generally transcribe it as if it's palatoalveolar. I suspect the retroflexion is not well understood, though it is widely attested. If you find a source that talks about dialectal variation in Russian postalveolar fricatives between retroflex and palatoalveolar pronunciations, that's welcome here and at Russian phonology. I'm skeptical, though; all the sound files you've provided sound fairly retroflex to my ears. — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 01:06, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation 

message: There are several (unlinked) superscript numerals within the main alphabet chart (e.g. next to the heading "Old Name") but it's not obvious what these notes are referring to.  There should be a legend at the bottom of the chart listing the notes.  I would do it but not being a regular editor on this page I can't find most of the information.  ... discospinster talk 21:57, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superscript notes but no references 

message: "sheer (sometimes followed by chip)" — What does that mean? – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 10:40, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha ha.  I've fixed it.  Clear now? — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 12:17, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Much clearer, thank you! – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 22:16, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sha... ch? 

message: See 1932 Metro map at , three word place name that begins with "Akademia"; the third word transliterates as "F?ota". The ? is the letter that looks like an upside down V. So what's that letter and how is it pronounced?  —  Rickyrab. Yada yada yada 13:54, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: El (Cyrillic)--109.205.248.61 (talk) 16:41, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Letter that looks like an upside-down "V"?

message: If an editor feels that content in this article is strange (somewhat oversimplistic) statement about h (there are many such sounds). Please change the article to give examples for such sounds. Do follow Wikipedia standards please. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:42, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Like this. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what you've added helps contextualize the information and make it appropriate for the article, but perhaps it should go into a separate section on transliteration of foreign or borrowed terms.  — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 14:25, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

text: OK, I've done so.  The source cited wasn't a very good one, so I took it out. I also took out the tags that User:Incnis Mrsi added. — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 02:20, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Thanks for clarifying.  My removal had less to do with the identity of the source's author and more to do with the type of website it is and how much authority that has on the topic. — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 13:57, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

text: Please don't carry that issue here.  — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 18:37, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Letter H 

message: My apologies for not being more clear. In this case, I am asking if the Λ character should be included next to the Лл characters in the Alphabet chart on THIS article (I'm not talking about any other article). This is a suggestion because apparently Russian uses the lambda character far more frequently than I was initially aware of, and I was not able to find this El character mentioned on THIS article. I may just practice WP:BOLD and add it myself if this is going to resort to people insulting me. – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 21:53, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Lambda character

message: The article includes the note:
: The letter ‹х› is romanized as ‹h› when appearing at the beginning or end of words and names. Otherwise, it is romanized as ‹kh›.
I've never seen х transliterated as English <h>, though I can't say that it's never been done.  In common English practice, it's translitered as <kh> in all positions - Khrushchev, Kherson, khoroshaya, etc.  In academic linguistics, it's usually transliterated as <x>, or occasionally <ch>, but never <h> in this context either.  Before I delete it, I'd like to make sure there aren't any common counterexamples of which I'm ignorant.
:While the letter ‹х› is romanized as ‹h› in some systems, I don't know any system that uses this positional rule, so I have deleted the note. Burzuchius (talk) 20:44, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Transliteration of Х

message: The pronunciation given for the name of the letter <й>, <и краткое>, is [i ˈkratkəɪ]. Shouldn't it instead be [i ˈkratkəjɪ]? I'm not aware of any phonological rule that reduces unstressed /je/ to [ɪ] in any position. However, I do believe that /e/ by itself reduces to [ɪ] after palatalized consonants and [j]. Zgialor (talk) 23:20, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's my understanding that  is deleted before  and . — Æµ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 23:33, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

text: [əjɪ] can be used in more careful speech, [əɪ] in more quick speech. Hellerick (talk) 13:09, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I see. Zgialor (talk) 14:28, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Made with [j] ("more careful speech"). Шурбур (talk) 20:54, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation of <и краткое>

message: Please bring back the approximate English pronunciation example. It helps to the understanding of a letter. If the chart gets too big, then don't make a new row, just add it into the "example" row. For example: Knowing that "dva" means "two" doesn't help at all for the understanding of the letter A (the translation is irrelevant). Knowing that it is similar like in "father" (instead of like in "hat", or in "angel" or else) helps. Not everyone can read and interpret the IPA. 217.252.184.59 (talk) 00:50, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I can put a link here, where all the examples are. Tacit Murky (talk) 06:58, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

text: Many transcriptions already link to Help:IPA for Russian. Approximate English equialents will not be brought back, because many of them are not exactly the same as the Russian sounds; some of them are also pronounced differently from dialect to dialect. That's not neutral nor acceptable, IPA, on the other hand, is neutral, widely acceptable and, above all, verifiable. Would you expect articles about high level maths to be translated for people who know nothing about maths? Surely not... step up and learn the IPA. Jones, Daniel; Ward, Dennis (1969), The Phonetics of Russian is a good start. Mr KEBAB (talk) 10:15, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A good start, but (probably) somewhat outdated by now. It may still consider /й/ as a semivowel and presence of soft /Ж/. Tacit Murky (talk) 14:50, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a problem with English approximations. The caveat that they are just approximations comes with the term "approximation." I think it's a bad idea to expect readers to go outside of article space to get informed. — Æµ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 16:56, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but it depends on reader's literacy and awareness about Russian. Some minority doesn't need approximations, because they know'em (or think so). But I'm in favor of leaving explicit link to IPA page for the rest. Tacit Murky (talk) 18:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Approximate English pronunciation example 

message: El (Эл) [ɛl] (with the hard л) as a name of the letter is incorrect (and in the sound file too). Шурбур (talk) 20:34, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure about the sound file, but the name is fine according to WP:RUS--Ymblanter (talk) 20:40, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I mean, the Russian name: the correct Russian name is эль (pronounced [ɛlʲ]), but not эл (pronounced [ɛl]). Both are transliterated as el tho. Шурбур (talk) 21:11, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, but «эл» is still used for abbreviations. Tacit Murky (talk) 14:05, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also, Mari-El. Uchyotka (talk) 10:29, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  El or El' 

message: It's pronounced as a brief blow-out-with-round-mouth-sound. Just like the German SCH-sound, which also exists in Swedish but not in Danish nor Norwegian. 
The following Russian letter is mainly a combination of first this SCH-sound, followed by a common blow-out-with-closed-theeth-sound. Like CH in chocolate.
SCH-CH , or "Whuch" - without the round W-sound , and certainly no H-sound. "SCHuCH" (the actual vowel sound might be slightly different but always very thin). "fresh cheap" makes no sense, it's only a repeat of the blow-out-with-closed-theeth-sound, CH in CHocolate twice - and isn't helpfull at all ! Generally, as in the example, are "sh" and "ch" (in English) just spelling differences for the same sound. Boeing720 (talk) 05:27, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Deutsch's "SCH" in Porsche would be OK to interpret as Ш though. In fresh, the English "SH" is ok. 
* BUT!!! I always thought "CH" in "Chocolate" is Ч-like (as in Tch-aikovsky) in accents I heard it, at least. Foreign "ch", even in "chocolate", also transliterates as Ч ("Choco-Pie" by Orion is literally Чоко-Пай now).
** Weirdest thing is, Russian for "chocolate" is "Шоколад", yes, but "it's French way to pronounce it". Same thing happened to word "Chypre" -- Russian article spells it as "Шипр".Uchyotka (talk) 10:28, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ш is wrong 

message: I heard cursive became less and less popular in the USA. Is it still used in Russia? 220.100.68.193 (talk) 14:12, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is. In Russia cursive is still taught in every school and remains the normal form of handwriting. Burzuchius (talk) 15:25, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is cursive still used in Russia? 

message: There are twenty-four letters in the Russian Alphabet. Letters of- overlapping and the additions for western cohesion are not considered essential letters apart of this Alphabet by the Academic community of Russia. Insisting clarity it would be important to, at a minimum add a History section to this entry as to drop the placement for a more closely related factual understanding which would assist with preparing stopping points tied to common usage. SPiZlE (talk) 13:12, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of letters 

message: So, go to the letter chart, scroll down to Hard sign, and look at its IPA. What is that?!?! I thought the empty set (∅) was not for putting silent letters in IPA!! Seriously though, why is the empty set symbol there, and what is it doing there? JordiLopezboy (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed the link to Zero (linguistics). Better now? Nardog (talk) 21:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA of Hard sign 

message: Wouldn't the word "fish" be a better example for the right pronunciation instead of the word "her"? 95.112.117.122 (talk) 10:29, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No. — Tacit Murky (talk) 13:30, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never in my life heard the er in her pronounced like ы in Russian, or anywhere remotely close to it in America, or anywhere. Its not even approximate, and makes absolutely zero sense. CS0688 (talk) 09:42, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Fish has the same ɪ sound, just like many, many English words, such as "it", "did", "here", and so on. But I agree that "her" (which contains an ɜ) is not a good example. --Bageense(disc.) 11:51, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The letter ы