Talk:List of polio survivors

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*Sherwood Johnson - Still waiting for his autobiography (Shakey & Me, ) to arrive via interlibrary loan. -- MarcoTolo 23:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are the only ones that I see. Worrisome is that he also lists Oppenheimer and William O. Douglas, but doesn't give any sort of sources for the survivors.--DO11.10 18:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential names

message: The following people are listed on geocities but don't have a page on Wikipedia.
I'll see if we can create pages for these. Working from the top down. Colin°Talk 13:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Geocities

message: . Page 106. I've found a few more names thanks to Amazon search but I can't read the whole page since I've never bought from Amazon.com. Can anyone else read the page and check there aren't more names? Despite this being a book, I don't regard this list as a "reliable source" for names. Colin°Talk 16:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are the only ones that I see. Worrisome is that he also lists Oppenheimer and William O. Douglas, but doesn't give any sort of sources for the survivors.--DO11.10 18:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Polio Paradox

message: *Mel Hague-In an interview Hague stated: ”I was born in 1943 with Cerebral Palsy; back then they called it Infantile Paralysis,”  I don’t think that they ever called Cerebral Palsy “infantile paralysis” (although it was known as "Cerebral Paralysis"), so the question is: did they diagnose him with polio or CP, is this a case of memory-lapse?  
*Craig Johnston-“Johnston overcame an appalling bout of the polio-related condition osteomyelitis in his childhood.”  Okay but, Osteomyelitis is "an infection of bone or bone marrow, usually caused by pyogenic bacteria or mycobacteria. Extremely rarely, the viruses which cause chickenpox and smallpox have been found to cause a viral osteomyelitis." I couldn’t find anything that said it could be caused by poliovirus, so the problem here is really that osteomyeltis it not “polio-related“.
:Any thoughts on what we should do with these two?--DO11.10 19:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hague is either misremembering or was misdiagnosed. Either way, he shouldn't be included. I agree Johnston's condition isn't really "polio-related". Perhaps the article should have "polio-related" removed. Colin°Talk 13:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me.--DO11.10 23:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I've done some more research and put him in the Doubtful diagnosis section. Colin°Talk 18:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Elected to add with Miami Herald obit as (mediocre) source. -- MarcoTolo 23:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh that's fine as a source. I was uncomfortable using the google-groups copy. I see you've found the original. Colin°Talk 10:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, that's kinda what I thought. Having a look through the article as it is now, I wonder if it might be a good idea for Colin to go through and ensure that the article is properly British-ized (or British-ised, as it were). I have no doubt that I've let slip a few American spellings, but my eyes have a tendency to glide right over them.--DO11.10 22:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions

message: Cheers to Colin and the other editors here for some excellent efforts.  I've got just two suggestions.  First, try to create a stub article for the red link.  The second one is a softer judgement call - have a good look at the image use.  In particular I'd advise taking out any fair use images.  This page already has plenty of images and some WP:FLC reviewers might criticize the large number as decorative.  I'd suggest one image per section and captioning that relates each to the topic of polio.  In general, captions are among the most read portions of text by article readers.  Perhaps there's a way to use more variety, such as a statistical graph of polio rates.
Overall this is well referenced, well written, and beautifully formatted.  It certainly looks exhaustive to my eyes (although when it comes to polio I profess no special knowledge beyond the average reader).  Good work, you're very close to being ready for candidacy. DurovaCharge! 06:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the comments and compliments. I'll look into creating an article for that red link. I've checked all the images and none are fair-use. I think the main concern with decoration is where fair-use images are used. However, too many images make the list load slowly and not all the images are of equal quality. I didn't want to remove any until we had settled on the sections, since we need at least one image per section to maintain the table size. In reworking the latter sections, I've had to drop a couple of images (commented-out) to prevent them flowing into the next section. What do people think about removing some. Any suggestions? The captions idea is a good one. I don't know about adding charts since they may be more appropriate on the other polio pages (of which there are plenty) and this is a list about people. Colin°Talk 17:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The page does load a bit slowly, but I am not sure how much removing a few of the pictures would affect the load speed. For what it is worth, I think that the sections look mostly balanced, except for the politicians, I think that John Porter East could probably removed to balance, since the caption would basically mirror the entry anyway. The science section may be a bit image heavy too (I for one am not a big fan of the Arthur C. Clarke image, he doesn't look a bit like I remember from his dust-jackets, but the Morrison image could also be removed. I think that Elsie should be a keeper though). The other sections seem reasonable to me. The image content also seems to be fairly representative (in respect to gender, nationality, superstars/niche, etc...) . Also, I do really like the caption idea, great suggestion.--DO11.10 00:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beautiful work, as usual 

message: Tony Gould is not only a polio survivor (see the Geocities list above) but also the author of several non-fiction books. We've included one as a reference:
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Has anyone got this book? It looks like it might be a good source for the History article. It is a book for lay readers, but does seem to be scholarly researched and published by a reputable press. It appears to have an autobiographical chapter, which could be used to help flesh out an article on him. I think we should try to include him in our list. Colin°Talk 13:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I borrowed this book from the library a few months ago, and actually did use it as a reference for some information that I added to the history article. But, from what I remember, the book was mostly about other non-notable, (for the purposes here) polio survivors. I think that he mentioned something about his bout with polio, but I can't remember anything specific, I know it wasn't particularly autobiographical. I suppose I could re-rent to book? It would seem that Gould satisfies the wiki-notability guidelines.  What do you think??--DO11.10 00:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tony Gould 

message: This list should be changed to "List of Notable Polio survivors" - Thousands more people have survived polio worldwide, yet this list is comprised of only notable people. Under its current name, the article is untrue, but if we change it then we can satisfy both fronts. Thoughts? Spawn Man 07:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The guideline Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists)#Naming conventions and policy Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Lists discourage use of the word "notable" since all entries on such list must be notable by implication. Wikipedia does not document unnotable people.  WP:MEDMOS#Notable cases also discusses the issue and accepts that "notable" may be acceptable since these people are usually notable for reasons other than their medical condition. I also see that the featured list List of notable brain tumor patients has been recently renamed to List of brain tumor patients. So this is an area still under discussion... Colin°Talk 08:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about putting notable in the lead sections where it says "This is a list of people who have survived the infectious disease poliomyelitis" - We could change that to "This is a list of notable people who have survived the infectious disease poliomyelitis". This would comply with naming conventions but remain truthful to the actual content of the article, as as it stands, it is a bit misleading; When I saw the article link I thought it would be huge because there are thousands of survivors, but then found out it was only notables. So yes, the addition of notable in the lead could work - thoughts? Spawn Man 12:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Colin°Talk 07:49, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers, :) Spawn Man 10:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change? 

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replies: text: Sorry, I wrote a bad caption for the image when I added it.  Serves me right for editing late at night.  I re-inserted the image with a better caption that should fulfill this requirement. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 03:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with the image is not with the caption, it's a problem with the fair-use rationale. I have no quarrel with the fair-use rationale for using the image in the article about Emmett Watson (others may disagree, though), but neither he nor his image is of sufficient importance to this article to justify fair use. --Orlady (talk) 04:01, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
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message: It appears that the preferred dialect of English in this article is British? I considered correcting some misspellings until I realized that I was dealing with British English, in which case the spellings would be correct. --Dan Dassow (talk) 22:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  British or American English 

message: I'm surprised to see that in this article, and Franklin D. Roosevelt and Franklin D. Roosevelt's paralytic illness and probably several others in Wikipedia, it is now stated as fact that Roosevelt's diagnosis was doubtful based on a single published article, of dubious nature and based on completely false claims, for example that it was extemely unusual for a 39-year-old to get polio. It was not and further, permanent paralysis was more common in adults, which is consistent with Roosevelt's case, or that polio could not present with symmetric paralysis.  There is no contradictory reference refuting this claim (and some probably exist).  This gives far too much credence to one speculative study. --Crunch (talk) 12:15, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Need to point out major problems with the comments above: 1) "dubious nature" / "speculative" - Seems unfair characterization of peer-reviewed article. 2) "single published article" - A journal will only publish an article attempting to refute, so no surprise. Very unlikely to publish an article just repeating the analysis and saying "we agree". 3) "based on completely false claims" - Seems very hyperbolic assertion. 4) "not extemely unusual for a 39-year-old to get polio" - Analysis did not say "extremely" or "unusual". So seems very loose. In any case, polio *is* less common in adults. So OR attempt fails. 5) "permanent paralysis" - This was taken into account, with 72% posterior probability favoring polio. So either OR or did not read the study. 6) "symmetric paralysis" - Either OR or did not read the study. 7) "refute the GB syndrome" - PMRJ article was not peer-reviewed. In any case, all the arguments in PMRJ article were subsequently addressed, so at this point "refute" conclusion seems not at all warranted. 71.212.121.231 (talk) 10:29, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roosevelt's Doubtful Diagnosis 

message: Just a note that I have added Sir Ken Robinson to the miscellaneous section. It could be argued that he belongs under the writing section but I believe his contributions to education and his talks on the same at TED to be the greater source of his fame. Omniomi (talk) 17:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sir Ken Robinson 

message: The famous Turkish-German neuroscientist Onur Güntürkün should be included in this list. See German Wikipedia for further details. Hirpex (talk) 22:29, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Onur Güntürkün

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message: Anna Gurney, scholar and philanthropist. Her modern biographers give polio as a retrospective diagnosis. DNB 1895: "born on 31 Dec. 1795, and when ten months old was attacked with a paralytic affection which deprived her for ever of the use of her legs. She passed through her busy, active, and happy life without ever having been able to stand or move without mechanical aid. " The coding of the table defeats me, or I'd add her myself. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 13:38, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
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Recent study from 2016 reaffirms FDR’s polio diagnosis, which had been brought in question in a 2003 study. Debdelilah (talk) 16:56, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but "reaffirms" is a false statement. Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Paralytic_illness_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt for details and if you wish to contribute to the discussion. 71.212.174.169 (talk) 23:31, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
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message: She is listed in the Visual Arts and Miscellaneous sections. 
Vis Arts: Tanaquil LeClercq was a prima ballerina for the New York City Ballet. She was forced to give up dancing when she contracted polio in Copenhagen in 1956 and was paralysed from the waist down.
Misc: Principal dancer with the New York City Ballet, she contracted polio at age 27 while on the company's European tour. She was left paralyzed from the waist down but became a dance instructor by using her hands and arms.
I suggest that the Misc entry be deleted, and that the Vis Arts entry be augmented thus:
Tanaquil Le Clercq was a prima ballerina with the New York City Ballet who was forced to give up dancing after she contracted polio in Copenhagen in 1956 (aged 27) while on the company's European tour. Paralysed from the waist down, she became a dance instructor instead, using her hands and arms.
Note that on her Wikipedia page her last name is Le Clercq, not LeClercq.
Prisoner of Zenda (talk) 06:07, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tanaquil Le Clercq