Talk:W. T. Stead

message: Is this really noteworthy enough for an encyclopaedia article? Lots of people have pubs named after them. If it stays, it may need to be reworded to emphasise a re-assessment of Stead's impact/importance etc. Farrtj (talk) 18:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Pub named after Stead

message: Since its inception the Northern Echo has been titled "The Northern Echo". Should it therefore remain titled as the "Darlington Northern Echo" in the article? I know that overseas "The Times" is often referred to as "The Times of London", so perhaps a case can be made that using the Darlington prefix is informative. Perhaps "The Northern Echo of Darlington"? Farrtj (talk) 15:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The Northern Echo

message: I have no idea what "He made a feature of the Pall Mall extras..." might mean.  Also, the article is full of lavish, unsourced praise of his brilliance - which seems inappropriate.KD Tries Again (talk) 15:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pall Mall extras?

message: The lead of this article claimed that Stead was 'the most famous passenger on RMS Titanic'. While he obviously was very well-known, 'the most famous' is potentially contentious - there were plenty of other famous names on that ship, like John Jacob Astor IV. I've changed it to 'among the most famous passengers', unless anyone can provide a source to support the original statement. Robofish (talk) 12:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you actually checked the citation at the end of the sentence, you will see that the claim is already sourced. The source is attackinthedevil.co.uk Farrtj (talk) 04:03, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The most famous passenger? 

message: Much of the article is sourced to this website, the W.T. Stead Resource Site.  Is there any reason to believwe that it is a reliable source?  Cusop Dingle (talk) 20:05, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's highlighted by the British Library as an online archive resource worthy of preservation.Farrtj (talk) 20:11, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a reference for that, so we can understand what it implies?  In general, "self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable".  Cusop Dingle (talk) 20:16, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  www.attackingthedevil.co.uk 

message: The clause "employing Ada Goodrich Freer as assistant editor" with a citation to a book by Trevor Hall, was deleted.  Why?  In general one does not remove well-sourced material without explanation, per WP:BRD.  Cusop Dingle (talk) 20:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: She doesn't have a Wikipedia page, so her role as assistant editor is not particularly noteworthy.Farrtj (talk) 20:43, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Funnily enough, she has an entire book written about her (namely the source cited).  It devotes at least 8 pages to her relationship with Stead and Borderland.  I think that's noteworthy.  The argument that we only mention things or people with articles about them seems contrary to prevailing practice, and indeed is not followed in this article, where Penny Poets, The Daily Paper, Borderland itself, William T. Stead Memorial Center, Philip Mock, to name but a few, are mentioned but have no articles.   Cusop Dingle (talk) 20:50, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My point is that working with Stead may have been important to her life, but it wasn't important in Stead's life. And this is Stead's page, not Freer's.Farrtj (talk) 22:28, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No, your point was, and I quote "She doesn't have a Wikipedia page, so her role as assistant editor is not particularly noteworthy", and that is not normal practice.  Now it is simply "it wasn't important".  Neither of these is an adequate explanation for removing a mere seven words with a citation.  Did you perhaps mean WP:UNDUE?  Are you really saying that it is disproprtionate to name his co- assistant editor and a "substantial contributor" to his journal (the latter being established by the source cited, p.51)?   Cusop Dingle (talk) 22:36, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Hall is a particularly noteworthy source. I've never heard of him, nor does he seem to have a wikipedia page either.Farrtj (talk) 22:38, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So?  The issue is, is he a reliable source, not is he a noteworthy one, and to be honest, whether you happen have heard of him is completely beside the point.  Hall is an historian who has written several books on aspects of spritualism and psychic research, which are well-researched, written with a scholarly apparatus, published by a reputable publisher and cited extensively by other writers.  There is no doubt that he is a reliable source.  Why are you so keen to keep this completely uncontroversial fact out of this article?  Cusop Dingle (talk) 07:25, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ada Goodrich Freer 

message: The article currently says, "his successful demonstration of the trade's existence". He didn't actually demonstrate anything of the kind; he faked its existence. The entire article was in that sense a fraud. I'm not sure what wording would be better, but it's factually wrong to assert that he had demonstrated the existence of the said trade.82.71.30.178 (talk) 19:47, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: He did, because iirc, the mother was perfectly willing to sell her child to Stead. Farrtj (talk) 22:46, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The mother was told that her daughter was going into respectable service, which was quite normal at the time (whatever we may think of it now). Nothing that Stead did demonstrated the existence of the trade that he claimed to exist. All he demonstrated was that he himself was able to abduct a child under false pretences.82.71.30.178 (talk) 22:29, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The mother claimed that she was told her daughter was going into respectable service. So the way I understand it, it is word against word. You didn't really expect her to confess to the press that she had sold her own daughter to sexual slavery, did you?  -Sensemaker
=== Eliza Armstrong Case ===
This section really needs to be rewritten or deleted, as there is already a separate Wikipedia article on the Eliza Armstrong case. The most immediate problem is that the section conflates "Maiden Tribute" and the Eliza Armstrong case as if the Maiden Tribute articles talk about Eliza. They do not. At least my copy of the articles says nothing about Armstrong. That case is covered in a separate article: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Armstrong_Case/zyJLAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=William+thomas+Stead&printsec=frontcover  --Literaturegirl (talk) 18:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

text: You've lost me a bit here, sorry. Who made what stuff up? DBaK (talk) 21:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, there is nothing in the Maiden Tribute about "Eliza Armstrong." But I have now drawn the connection between "Lily" in the Maiden Tribute and Armstrong. The article would be stronger if someone could provide a citation that clearly indicates that Lily is Armstrong.--Literaturegirl (talk) 12:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, thank you @Literaturegirl for that DBaK (talk) 20:55, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eliza Armstrong Case 

message: This section really needs to be rewritten or deleted, as there is already a separate Wikipedia article on the Eliza Armstrong case. The most immediate problem is that the section conflates "Maiden Tribute" and the Eliza Armstrong case as if the Maiden Tribute articles talk about Eliza. They do not. At least my copy of the articles says nothing about Armstrong. That case is covered in a separate article: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Armstrong_Case/zyJLAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=William+thomas+Stead&printsec=frontcover  --Literaturegirl (talk) 18:45, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You've lost me a bit here, sorry. Who made what stuff up? DBaK (talk) 21:42, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, there is nothing in the Maiden Tribute about "Eliza Armstrong." But I have now drawn the connection between "Lily" in the Maiden Tribute and Armstrong. The article would be stronger if someone could provide a citation that clearly indicates that Lily is Armstrong.--Literaturegirl (talk) 12:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, thank you @Literaturegirl for that DBaK (talk) 20:55, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eliza Armstrong Case 

message: I've merged the W.T. Stead Resource Site article into this article, as it did not seem to independently meet the notability criteria. -- The Anome (talk) 09:07, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Website article merged in 

message: John Jobson the father of Isabelle Stead nee Jobson was born in Northumberlend not Yorkshire. No source cited. --  ChrisNewman1959 (talk) 13:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Error in the details for WT Stead grandfather

message: I came across his name in a Swedish newspaper (1896), mentioning that 'Mr. Stead' delivered on his idea of a kind of rational adoption "market", transferring many children from burdened mothers to childless couples. I think it's a noteworthy thing. https://tidningar.kb.se/8264855/1896-06-04/edition/154238/part/1/page/4/?q=gl%C3%B6dtr%C3%A5d&freeonly=1&sort=asc  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.233.137.72 (talk) 21:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Adoption exchange?