Talk:MTA Regional Bus Operations bus fleet

message: Green Bus's 5500 series Orions were not built for WMATA! they were built for New Orleans RTA. As evidence I offer:
In 1997, New Orl;eans RTA appears to have ordered 85 Orion 5's, to be numbered 97300-97384. During construction, 21 buses were rejected as follows:
Serials:
33215-253,255-296,298-301 New Orleans 97300-97384, 97319 to Green 5537, 97224 to Queens Surface 704, 97327 to Green 5544, 97331 to Red & Tan 1006, 97333-334 to Green 5538,5540, 97338 to Green 5541, 97340 to Red & Tan 1004, 97341 to Green 5542, 97344 to Red & Tan 1014, 97350 to Gray Line Houston 4021, 97351-352 to Red & Tan 1016,1002, 97356 to Red & Tan 1010, 97359 to Green 5539, 97360 to Red & Tan 1008, 97368 to Gray Line Houston 4022, 97369 to Green 5543, 97370 to Gray Line Houston 4023, 37375 to Red & Tan 1012, 97377 to Red & Tan 1028. Buses intended to be 97378-97384 were delivered as (2nd) 97319,97324,97327,97331,97333,97334,97338
The second part of the bus order was planned as 69 buses (97385-97453?? or 98400-98468??), serials 33405-416,418-427,429-435,446-472,475-487. However, only 13 were actually delivered to New Orleans. Serials 33405-11,13-15,18-20 came as (2nd) 97340,97341,97344,97350-97352,97356,97359,97360,97368-97370,97375, leaving the order with a final count of 76 buses, with 78 delivered to others. Of the 56 not delivered to New Orleans from this second batch, 36 went to Green as 5501-5536, 5 to Queens Surface as 700-703,705, 2 to Gray Line-Houston as 4020 and 4024, 4 to Valley as 3001,3012,3016,3017, 8 to HAML as 400-407, 1 to Arrow as 3505. 
WMATA got their batch soon afterwards (Orion serials are assigned in build order). WMATA 4202-4412 are serials 33488-33698. Note the block is continuous.
A few months later, New Orleans did get another order from Orion, for 67 buses (98400-98466). Sadly, the vast majority of both the 97300 and 97400 series were destroyed in the Katrina disaster. 
Andre-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.237.185.75 (talk) 02:22, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Green Bus Orions were NOT from WMATA!

message: test file -- 216.194.61.104 (talk) 07:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: MTA Bus/ NYCT Passenger capacity

message: *3800-3829 went to MJQ depot
*3830-3899 went to MHV Depot
*3900-3949 went to MJQ Depot 
*3950-3964 went to MHV Depot
*3965-4019 went to CAS depot
*4020-4039 went to LGA depot
*4040-4091 went to GH depot 
*4092-4139 went to YUK depot
*4140-4169 went to JFK depot
*4170-4219 went to CS depot
*4220-4244 went to FLA depot
*4245-4278 went to CAS depot
*4330-4407 went to KB depot
*4408-4430 went to GH depot
*4431-4452 went to CAS Depot
*4453-4482 went to JAM depot
*4483-4512 went to LGA Depot
*4513-4570 went to GA Depot
*4571-4630 went to FLA Depot
*4631-4655 went to JFK Depot
*4656-4700 went to JAM Depot
GK tramrunner (talk) 01:17, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Orion VII NG distribution

message: For the 1990's fleet roster, i have added another column to show what units are still in service. It would be easier that way to determine which units are still in service, especially since there are buses that are being retired within the 1990's fleet roster. --Xxshadow93xx (talk) 15:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional column to show units in service 

message: This list contains a level of excess detail that does not interest a general audience, and almost none of it is sourced. Information such as which buses are out of service, or the details about the powertrain each bus has, does not belong on Wikipedia and should be removed. I have placed  on this page with little success, and the edit warring has resumed by the same users with no signs of abating. Please use this section to discuss, as have been suggested by administrators responding to the 3RR reports. Continued failure to do so will result in blocks and/or further page protection. The same holds true for photos - nobody WP:OWNs this article nor is it meant to serve to promote a user's photo gallery. Pinging  as well as  who has some experience dealing with this sort of issue at MBTA Bus. – Train2104 (t • c) 03:35, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numerous issues with this article 

message: Please discuss here instead of discussing via edit summaries. SportsFan007 (talk) 04:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: As per admin suggestions, I'll start the process of removing information deemed to be trivial. Initially, I will remove totally unsourced information and stuff that can be easily found on CPTDB wiki's article, but I will look into removing or rewording phrases regarding OOS units and whatnot. Mtattrain (talk) 05:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of information 

message: Can the Local and Limited bus fleet be divided into regular buses and articulated buses? SportsFan007 (talk) 03:05, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for the Local and Limited bus fleet section 

message: Can this page please be protected so that only logged in users can edit this page?  There have been various disruptive edits from users that aren’t logged in. SportsFan007 (talk) 19:35, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for page protection 

message: Since fully electric powered buses are starting to be introduced can a power source column be added specifics whether the bus are gas-powered or electric-powered? SportsFan007 (talk) 01:31, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: I don't think the article should feature an exact amount of buses assigned to Select Bus Service, because buses are constantly wrapped and unwrapped from SBS duty. Mtattrain (talk) 08:31, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exact amount of SBS vehicles 

message: @Olsen24 , I have been trying to link Proterra as linking bus manufacturers has been done with all other bus manufacturers (for the first time they occur in the roster). Please refrain from reverting edits regarding a link to the Proterra wikipedia page. Mtattrain (talk) 01:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking to proterra 

message: If possible, can we use our own images (watermark free if possible) instead of grainy, low quality, unzoomable images from various other sources. Olsen24 (talk) 13:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: can all new images being added be 800x600 (or close to this) It makes the picture more proportional. Olsen24 (talk) 02:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image dimensions 

message: Can the repetitive cells in each column please be merged? It doesn’t make sense to have repetitive cells. SportsFan007 (talk) 23:36, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repetitive Cells in Columns 

message: The article has been fully protected again. The next time an edit war breaks out, lengthy blocks may be handed out. If you cannot resolve the dispute here please look at WP:DRR for other options. --NeilN talk to me 19:04, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war 

message: would it be a good idea to put the table of the select fleet on the current active fleet page as well to have everything together? Olsen24 (talk) 18:38, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Select Bus Fleet 

message: Can somebody please block Olsen24 from editing the page, he is continuing his behavior of making disruptive edits SportsFan007 (talk) 21:57, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Both editors have been blocked for two weeks. --NeilN talk to me 22:07, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Block Request 

message: I believe the Orion VIIs should be in order of CNG then hybrid. Obviously other users disagree. Please leave your input here instead of starting edit wars. Olsen24 (talk) 15:05, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That's ridiculous, and you are clearly the only one who thinks that. Ordering by date is more significant than ordering by fuel type. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:37, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orion Order 

message: @Olsen24, why are you so freaking concerned about having images on this particular article? Most users agree that many (not ALL) of your images are not better than the ones you are replacing, yet you treat not just my attempts but everyone else's attempts to restore some (again, NOT ALL) images as a "personal" injury to your ego (which transit fans in general seem to have very huge egos). Can it before admins take action on you again... this time permanently, perhaps... Mtattrain (talk) 18:30, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding image replacements 

message: I've noticed that this entry was somehow removed from the list and I don't know why. It seems that this page has had a lot of problems - specifically people editing it without regard to what is accurate and inaccurate, sourced and unsourced. This is a reason why I rarely ever contribute to Wikipedia anymore. Can someone please find out what happened? Wslupecki (talk) 08:14, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That order is Select Bus Service only and is listed here. SportsFan007 (talk) 19:47, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  2018 Nova Bus order 

message: Quick question, am I wrong to think that Motor Coach Industries went defunct after it was acquired by New Flyer? SportsFan007 (talk) 02:45, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motor Coach Industries 

message: Out of curiosity, what did you mean by pre-SIM buses? SportsFan007 (talk) 05:57, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The new SIM-prefixed express bus routes.Tdorante10 (talk) 06:21, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about recent edit 

message: Can we please add a column that says # in service? SportsFan007 (talk) 02:49, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: should there be a route section on the SBS fleet table? Broadway22592 (talk) 22:24, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  SBS 

message: Can we add an operators column to the SBS fleet section?  Or are do they all have the same operator? SportsFan007 (talk) 00:13, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  SBS fleet operators 

message: Are the fleet numbers for the SBS fleet available? SportsFan007 (talk) 05:47, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! SportsFan007 (talk) 16:03, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  SBS fleet numbers 

message: The updated totals for retiring buses and delivering buses are as follows:
151 Nova Bus RTS
7 D60HF (100 series)
21 D60HF (5600-5700 Series)
6 Orion vii cng
114 2003-2004 Orion VII Hybrids
157 2018-2019 Nova LFS Artics
265 2019 XD40
7 2019 XD60
as for select fleet
36 2011 LFS Artic
157 2018 LFS Artic
7 2019 XD60 2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:AB (talk) 17:29, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! SportsFan007 (talk) 18:59, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totals (as of 3/27/2019)

message: There is a typo in the years column of the select bus table. Also removing the under delivery from the 2018 XD40s since all the XD40s going to SBS have been delivered. 2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:5D (talk) 21:02, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed! SportsFan007 (talk) 21:18, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo 

message: The order of 2019 XD60S consists of 161 buses numbered between 6126-6286. They are only running under NYCT not MTA Bus yet. 2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:5D (talk) 00:33, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed! SportsFan007 (talk) 00:45, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  2019 XD60 

message: Does "To replace all remaining Orion VII Hybrids" include the Orion VII Next Generation buses? SportsFan007 (talk) 20:47, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future fleet 

message: the unrenumbered D60HF total is 4. since 101 is retired, the new range is 110-139, a total of 30 buses.2604:2000:D146:B000:51DD:6B0:A793:7FEF (talk) 00:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: updated! SportsFan007 (talk) 22:23, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  D60HF 

message: RTS - 123
Orion VII cng - 6 (condense total to 6 with a rowspan of 2)
2003 Orion VII hybrid - 114
XDE40 - 8 (delivery seems to be paused)
2019 Nova LFS artic - 160
2019 XD40 - 278
2019 Nova LFS - 8
2019 XD60 - 8
SBS
2011 LFS artic - 34
2019 LFS artic - 160
2019 XD60 - 8 remove delivery status since it doesn't always correspond with the full delivery2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:6F (talk) 20:32, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: updated! SportsFan007 (talk) 22:23, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totals (as of 04/02/2019) 

message: the "under delivery" was not removed from the 2019 LFS section of the SBS fleet. It could have been a mistake since it was removed from XD60 Section. Not sure if including phasing out is necessary.2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:6F (talk) 22:09, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: fixed! SportsFan007 (talk) 22:22, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible error 

message: since 145 has been retired, the range is 7785-7819 with a total of 35 buses.2604:2000:D146:B000:3136:7716:3A43:BCF9 (talk) 20:55, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed! SportsFan007 (talk) 21:04, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orion VII CNG 

message: RTS - 93
Orion VII CNG - 5
2003-2004 Orion VII Hybrid - 113
2015 XD40 - 392 - 7430&7442 retired from accident damage.
2019 XD40 - 290
2019 LFS - 27
2019 XD60 - 11 - use image from SBS table on regular table to fill empty image section.
SBS:
2011 LFS Artic - 28
2019 LFS Artic - 164
2019 XD60 - 1165.206.11.162 (talk) 14:14, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated! SportsFan007 (talk) 17:13, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totals as of 4/12/2019 

message: The 2015 XD40 assigned to SBS operate only under MTA Bus not NYCT. Also, the Orion VII NGs assigned to SBS only run under NYCT not MTA Bus.65.206.11.162 (talk) 14:18, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed! SportsFan007 (talk) 17:00, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  2015 XD40 & Orion VII NG 

message: there are only 79 RTS's left in service and all of the 2005 Orion 7s are still in service making the total 200 not 199. 108.46.23.114 (talk) 13:52, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated and fixed! SportsFan007 (talk) 14:37, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  RTS & Orion 7 

message: 7815-7819 are still in service. 7815 & 7816 were on bus time yesterday and 7819 is today.2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:50 (talk) 08:56, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted! SportsFan007 (talk) 18:01, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orion VII CNG  

message: RTS - 37
Orion vii cng - 5 - 7815-7819 still in service.
Orion vii hybrid (green sign) - 111
2002 MCI - 30 - 2926 included.
2019 XD40 - 307
2019 XD60 - 20 - First MTA Bus delivered to LGA depot.
2019 LFS - 46
SBS:
2011 LFSA - 26
2019 XD60 - 202600:387:5:803:0:0:0:56 (talk) 19:04, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated! Also, the Orion VII CNGs are retired. SportsFan007 (talk) 23:08, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the info about the Orion CNGs!2600:387:5:803:0:0:0:56 (talk) 23:49, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totals (as of 04/28/2019) 

message: 2003 Orion VII Hybrid - 104
2019 XD40 - 314
2019 LFS - 81
2019 XD60 - 26 - operated by NYCT & MTA Bus
SBS:
2011 LFSA - 18
2019 XD60 - 26 - operated by NYCT & MTA Bus2600:387:5:807:0:0:0:AF (talk) 21:19, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated! SportsFan007 (talk) 21:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totals (as of 05/11/2019) 

message: 2002-2003 Orion VII (Green Sign) - 24
2005 Orion VII - 165
2015 XD40 - 392 - 2 units destroyed
2019 XD40 - 354
2019 LFS - 173
2019 XD60 - 38
SBS:
2019 XD60 - 38 - all units in SBS service.2604:2000:D146:B000:488F:E928:F15A:269F (talk) 20:47, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated! SportsFan007 (talk) 23:02, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totals as of 06/26/2019 

message: Orion VII - 168
2019 XD40 - 361
2019 LFS - 198
2019 XD60 - 50
SBS:<Br>
Orion VII NG - 21
2017 XD60 - 105
2019 XD60 - 5012.110.163.195 (talk) 13:47, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Updates done! SportsFan007 (talk) 23:30, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totals as of 07/15/2019 

message: There are many errors seen on this page, mostly in the model years section.
The Errors are as follows:
Orion VII 6490-6689 are all 2005 Models and 131 remain in service.
LFS Artic 1200-1289 are all 2010 Models and 88 are active (2 destroyed in fires) and 19 in SBS duty.
XD40 7090-7483 are all 2015 models.
LFS 8090-8503 are all 2015 models.
XD60 5364-5438 are all 2016 models.
XD60 5987-6125 are all 2017 models.
XN40 673-810 are all 2017 models.
LFS Artic 5439-5602 are all 2018-2019 models.
XE40 11-15 are 2018 models and Proterra are also 2018 models with numbers racing between 16 and 20 with a total of 5 in service.
XD40 7484-7850 are all 2018-2019 units with all 367 currently delivered. There are only 367 units in this order not 422.
LFS 8504-8754 are all 2019 models with 244 units delivered.
XD60 6126-6286 are all 2019 models with 70 units currently delivered all in SBS service.
Prevost 2490-2789 are all 2015-2016 models.
199.79.170.209 (talk) 15:07, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Your requested edits have been implemented! SportsFan007 (talk) 19:15, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numerous Errors 

message: As for model years:
XN60 1000-1109 all are 2018 models.
As for totals:
2018 Proterra - 5 units active numbered 16-20
2018-2019 XD40 - all units delivered (367) - numbers range from 7484-7850 only.
2019 LFS - 244 - delivery still in progress
2019 XD60 - 70
As for order:
in the SBS the 2018-2019 XD40 row should be above the 2018-2019 LFS artic row.
199.79.168.209 (talk) 19:43, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Your requested edits have been implemented! SportsFan007 (talk) 19:59, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  A couple things i forgot 

message: 2005 Orion VII - 128
2019 LFS - 249
2019 XD60 - 81
SBS:
2010 LFS - None left in SBS Service
2019 XD60 - 81
199.79.170.209 (talk) 16:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Your requested edit has been implemented! SportsFan007 (talk) 04:34, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totals 

message: Can we add a column to indicate whether the buses are local and/or limited? SportsFan007 (talk) 19:42, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Local and Limited bus fleet 

message: Are there any update on the D4500 retirements? and also the D4500CLs? SportsFan007 (talk) 19:45, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Express bus fleet (D4500 retirements) 

message: Is the 2019 XD60 order all SBS or will some of them be in Local and Limited service?  I'm asking because this order is listed as fully in service on both SBS and Local and Limited. Also, if all of the current busus are SBS, then how is there an image of one of the buses in local and limited livery? SportsFan007 (talk) 04:20, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Can somebody please answer this? SportsFan007 (talk) 03:27, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  2019 XD60 Order 

message: Am I wrong to think that the number will continue on from the number of the previous Prevost order? SportsFan007 (talk) 05:42, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Prevost order 

message: There are 101 units in service. I can list all 101 units if you need that as proof. 199.79.169.209 (talk) 06:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  2005 Orion 

message: Don't think it's a good idea to isolate the SBS fleet from the rest of the fleet. Open to suggestions though. Mtattrain (talk) 18:17, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  SBS fleet isolation 

message: 2005 Orion VII - 21
2006 Orion VII - 469
2002 MCI - 28  24.104.250.197 (talk) 21:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  updated totals 

message: Could an admin please block or ban ? They have edited 3RR many times, and it is a nuisance and useless. I'll tag a few admins here to get their attention, sorry for doing that, but it needs to stop. 
Thank you. Best, MTATransitFanChat! 03:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blatant violation of WP:3RR by a sockpuppet 

message: Please stop changing the model years without putting them into chronological order. Thank you! SportsFan007 (talk) 00:06, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Model years 

message: is there in any new information available for listing a future fleet here? SportsFan007 (talk) 22:30, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Fleet 

message: express bus fleet 74.64.107.39 (talk) 23:18, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ggggg 

message: When will the 2008 MTA Orion 7 NYC Next Gen Buses from Manhattanville be retired? 2601:192:4B40:1080:B436:B0AD:FD09:5571 (talk) 20:44, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retired 2008 MTA Orion 7 NYC Next Gen Buses 

message: I find that the images in the fleet table too small and are hard to see without clicking on them. I think 175px would be a better size and would be easier to see. Below are the same image in the current size of 128px and what it would look like in 175px. 
TheTransitFanNY (talk) 20:23, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images are too small 

message: Please stop changing the model years without putting them into chronological order. Thank you! SportsFan007 (talk) 18:35, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Model Years