Talk:Quartal and quintal harmony

message: I've started the editing process on this article.  For the most part I will restrict the edits to the mirror on my user subpage:  User:Jubileeclipman/(mirror) Quartal and quintal harmony.  I've also created a "shadow" copy of the article prior to my edits: User:Jubileeclipman/(shadow) Quartal and quintal harmony.  Several less objectionable edits will be made live to this article itself, where these either tidy up the language or (in the case of the lead) come closer to modern scholarship and terminology.  For example, the word "harmony" now tends to be used of music built on chords of three or more notes rather than of "diadic" music, as it were, ie that built on chords of only two notes.  Furthermore, because of its modern connotations, the term, though used in the Middle Ages and Renaissance, seems to be an anachronism when used to describe Renaissance polyphony - especially when we try to talk about "Renaissance triadic harmony" or the like.  Feel free to comment on my non-live edits on my talk page: User talk:Jubileeclipman.  I won't submit these edits to the article itself until: a) I have finished them; and b) any objections are responded to and acted upon.  Thank you for your understanding.  --Jubilee♫clipman 00:13, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Started editing

message: 4 days and no further comments, so it is time to be bold.  I will try to explain the basic rationale in the edit summary.  I will also add inline wiki-comments to highlight remaining deficiences in the text.  OK, here goes.... --Jubilee♫clipman 00:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dumping my text over

message: ===Removed from introduction as explained above===
As the text appeared prior to my edit:
As the text appeared after my edit (removed after I dumped the text):
===Not sure how to deal with these next few===
====This has no real relevence as it stands====
I agree. To look at lines in this style, which is not really harmonic music, for this context is a reach and kind of muddies the waters. J Civil 04:27, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed material

message: ====This has no real relevence as it stands====
I agree. To look at lines in this style, which is not really harmonic music, for this context is a reach and kind of muddies the waters. J Civil 04:27, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Not sure how to deal with these next few

message: I agree. To look at lines in this style, which is not really harmonic music, for this context is a reach and kind of muddies the waters. J Civil 04:27, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: This has no real relevence as it stands

message: Added to String Quartet No. 19 (Mozart):
Added to Piano Sonata No. 31 (Beethoven):
Added to String Quartet No. 15 (Beethoven):
--Jubilee♫clipman 01:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: These have been added to their respective articles (except the strikethrough)

message: I went ahead and moved stuff over to perfect fourth.  That is becoming a good article now, coincidently!  --Jubilee♫clipman 22:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved to [[perfect fourth]]

message: [Definition left in]
[Tristan chord left in but further commented and moved to more relevent place]
[Slavs and Impressionists etc left in as precursors]
--Jubilee♫clipman 23:32, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved text

message: Is there a way to make the the sheet music in the Modernism and Postmodernism subsection look better on the page? I tried but couldn't fix it. Right now it is crowding the sides of the articles (esp. [File:Hindemith, Flute Sonata, II quartal harmony.png]), making it hard to read. Plus, some of the music does not line up with text that is talking about it. Squandermania (talk) 00:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sheet music 

message: Why and where does this article need additional citations for verification? What references does it need and how should they be added? Hyacinth (talk) 04:33, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Tag removed. Hyacinth (talk) 01:31, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional citations: History

message: *In 1912, Leonid Sabaneyev published a work on Scriabin's theoretical ideas about Prometheus: The Poem of Fire in the periodical Der Blaue Reiter, but his opinions may not have been appropriate. As Hugo Riemann wrote in his Music Lexicon: "Firstly, chords from pure fourths (for example those in Arnold Schoenberg's well cited Chamber Symphony) without extension or mixture are used in the same way as diminished fourths, and secondly, that Scriabin himself looked upon his so-called Mystic Chord not as a quartal structure but as a reflection of the overtone series."
The above was removed as incompletely cited. Hyacinth (talk) 01:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: This is the offending sentence: "The style of jazz, having an eclectic harmonic orbit, was in its early days overtaken (until perhaps the Swing of the 1930s) by the vocabulary of 19th century European music." Neither my friend nor I can tell what is meant by 'eclectic harmonic orbit', or 'overtaken'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.106.220.86 (talk) 00:04, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as Louis Armstrong once famously said, "Man, if you've gotta ask, then you'll never know!" I guess I'll never know, either, because, in spite of a PhD in music theory and years of musical research, this sentence makes even less sense to me than it does to you. For a start, I don't understand how jazz can be a "style", unless whoever wrote this sentence meant to refer to one particular type of jazz. Frankly, this sounds like the kind of pre-emptive obfuscation you hear all too often from jazzers who do not in fact know what they are talking about, but are not shy at all about talking anyway. I have flagged this sentence for clarification, and hope someone will come along soon to cast some light into this dark place.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 00:34, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This needs to be rephrased: The style of jazz, having an eclectic harmonic orbit, etc. 

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message: The title of this page is Quartal and Quintal Harmony but there are no examples of quintal harmonies listed. I would start the list with Bela Bartok's Piano Concerto No. 2, 2nd movement. DrMusicArt (talk) 03:35, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Could this be because quintal and quartal are the same thing, as explained in the lead of the article?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 07:15, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Quintal Examples