Talk:India/Archive 9

message: ::Nearly 50 percent of the world's hungry live in India, a low-income, food-deficit country. Around 35 percent of India's population - 350 million - are considered food-insecure, consuming less than 80 percent of minimum energy requirements. 
::Nutritional and health indicators are extremely low. Nearly nine out of 10 pregnant women aged between 15 and 49 years suffer from malnutrition and anaemia. Anaemia in pregnant women causes 20 percent of infant mortality. More than half of the children under five are moderately or severely malnourished, or suffer from stunting. vkvora 17:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: are you suggesting some change to the article in this respect? dab (𒁳) 16:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: World Hunger - India

message: The demographics picture needs changing because- 
60000 people represent the Apatani tribe & India has 1000000000 people
60000/1000000000 *100% = .006% of the population. That means only .006 out of every 100 Indians look like that.
Obviously, this picture does not represent India. I think we should replace this picture with someone that looks more pan-Indian. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nikkul (talk • contribs) 17:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is a pan-Indian look? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: a picture of any one Indian will represent 1/1000000000 = 0.0000001% of Indians "looking like that". But I agree that posting a mugshot under "Demographics" is a bit gratuitous. Better exchange it for something like :Image:India population density map en.svg. dab (𒁳) 10:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See section below.  I have added your population density map there, Dab.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Perhaps a photoshop job of 28 (or however many states India has) people from every different state of India.Bakaman 02:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: how about no picture at all? Why the hell does every paragraph need some cheesy picture associated with it? "Demographics" is about numbers, not faces, costumes or dances. The best choice of illustration would be the population growth curve. Failing that, leave it empty and add another image of some cultural landmark or something. dab (𒁳) 16:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

text:  Is disheartening to see that Arunachalis, who are one of the most pro-Indian people in the N-E are being frowned upon. Maquahuitl 15:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics Picture 

message: I am setting up a "proposals" and "votes" subsection, so that we can keep track of where things are in the discussion. Fowler&fowler«Talk»
* Demographics Section
** Proposal 1: Keep the Apatani image (the current image) and add the Chennai street scene image (Image9). This is what the Demographics section looks like with the two images: See here 
*** Votes for: (please add your names) user:BovineBeast, user:Fowler&fowler,  user:Nichalp       
*** Votes against: (please add your names)user:indianhilbilly  user:nikkul  The Behnam user:huniebunie 
** Proposal 2: Remove the Apatani image because it does not represent all of India at all and get another image of an average Indian perhaps in a traditional indian dress
*** Votes for: (please add your names)   XavierIcI  
*** Votes against: (please add your names) BovineBeast, Fowler&fowler, user:Nichalp  The Behnam
** Proposal 3: Have only the South indian dancer or bride under demographics section
*** Votes for: (please add your names) user:nikkul user:bangalorevenkat-(South Indian dancer only) user:Coollemonade XavierIcI user:huniebunie
*** Votes against: (please add your names) user:Fowler&fowler  The Behnam
**Proposal 4:  Do not use a picture of a person or people (because that cannot possibly represent India' demographics).  Use a demographic visual, such as a map or chart, instead (hence, the demographics section).
*** Votes for: (please add your names)  The Behnam 
::::User:Sarvagnya Sarvagnya 
*** Votes against: (please add your names)user:huniebunie(already there are too many maps)
**Proposal 5: Leave Demography section without any image. There are too many maps so maps cannot be added. Any individual's picture including Apatani tribe should not be put in Demographic section. Crowded places is not a correct image representation for Demographic section. We can either put some charts or some graphics(People with many cultural backgrounds within India map)..
*** Votes for: Indianstar
* Geography Section
** Proposal 1: Add image of lake panong keep the other pic as well
*** Votes for: (please add your names)user:nikkul Indianstar
*** Votes against: user:Nichalp, user:Fowler&fowler user:huniebunie (not if the lake belongs to china!)
* Culture Section
** Proposal 1: Add south indian dancer and move taj mahal to history (mughal dynasty) because its more historic to an Indian than it is cultural and remove toda hut because it does not go with wut the paragraph is saying. 
*** Votes for: (please add your names)user:nikkul Indianstar
*** Votes against: (please add your names)
* Military Section
** Proposal 1: Add airforce pic (the more detailed, uncopyrighted one) and/or delete the current one
*** Votes for: (please add your names)user:nikkul 
*** Votes against: (please add your names)user:Chanakyathegreat, user:Fowler&fowler.Indianstar  
Why Air Force picture? The Agni-II gives India the most important capability to India of a retalitory nuclear strike. Agni is used by the Army and the IAF. The Navy will also have a sub launched Agni-III. Let the Agni-III come, then Agni-II can be replaced with the Agni-III image.
Chanakyathegreat 03:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Chanakya.  The flyby/flypast image is too generic and too low-res.  The missile picture has specifically Indian details.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposals for inclusion of different images in different sections

message: The .ogg file on the website saying its national anthem of india is contrary to the indian constitution. The national anthem should only last for 52 seconds if sung correctly. The one here lasts 110 seconds. Please post the original. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Doctorsrk (talk • contribs) 03:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The audio file is about 50% longer than prescribed, while for something like national anthem, the guideline should be strictly met. Also, the audio file might also be a copyright violation, as it does not mention the source. I have tagged the audio file at commons with , and the file may be deleted from the commons. Similar media uploaded by him had been deleted in the past. I suggest removing the link to the audio file till we get an authentic replacement. — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 16:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  National anthem : too long, slow speed. 

message: Alot of the interwiki links appear to be almost deadlinks. Almost 40 of them lead to speedydelete pages or pages that are simply empty or have an untranslated English(!) text on them. I had removed those, but (understandibly) they were readded by A4bot. What could be done here? — N-true 02:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They should be left alone, since they, like redlinks are harmless. Those pages will be translated eventually. We Wikipedians face more dire concerns than a few untranslated or blanked iw pages. Also, leaving them allows any speakers of those languages to get to those pages (from here) and recreate, translate, or expand them—after all, this is one of the most popular pages on this wiki, and draws many types of people with different language skills. Thanks. Saravask 04:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Interwiki Links 

message: The picture for the Demographics section shouldn't be of any people, tribal or otherwise.  It is impossible to accurately represent India's demographics with one or two pictures of people in India.  Use either a visual from the main Demographics of India article or simply don't use pictures at all for that section.  The population density or literacy maps are fitting considering the current text of the section, so perhaps one of those should be used in this article instead of the picture of people.  What do y'all think?  The Behnam 03:02, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is being discussed in a section above.  I have pasted your comments there.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics Picture 

message: Talk:Indian_mathematics#Request_for_comment:_Reliable_Sources_for_Indian_Mathematics  Feedback is requested for a problem on the Indian mathematics page, where two users have a disagreement about what constitutes reliable sources for claims in the article. 05:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for Comment

message: I'd suggest India should immediately and secretly develop "minimal" weaponry that has potential to destroy the earth, because
1. It is very inexpensive to develop such technologies.
2 . India can use it to negotiate with superpowers. 
Sounds strange but current superpowers bully during negotiations.
God and religion are distinct. 09:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please use this page for discussions on the article, not personal opinions. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Defense Strategy

message: What is the opinion on adding Thailand into the list of nations in the vicintiy of India.
Proof:http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_map/thailand.gif
Chanakyathegreat 03:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does India have a border with Thailand? Otherwise, adding that information would be misleading and redundant. --Ragib 04:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text: No, it should not be added. None of the geography books I've read mention it. Measuring the distance on Google earth, Thailand is 500 km from Indian territory, whereas Indonesia is 175 km. =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One island of India is within 175 kms of another island of Indonesia. Is it necessary to mention Indonesia as bordering country? If that logic is applied Britain and France control many islands all over the Globe. Dozens of country all over the world will become its bordering countries. --Indianstar 11:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a bordering country but in the vicinity of Sri Lanka, Maldives and Indonesia.. Andaman and Nicobar Islands are integral parts of India, unlike the islands you mention which are overseas possessions of the two countries. The political status of these islands ofcourse differ. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thailand in the vicinity of India 

message: Someone has injected this comments into the lead section.  it currently battles high levels of poverty, persistent malnutrition, and environmental degradation. It need to be removed. I cannot find a similar one in any other nations (eg:People's Republic of China) lead section.
Chanakyathegreat 03:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of making a completely irrelevant comment like "I cannot find something similar in China", your argument would be better served if you had bothered to tell us why these things are not true.  This is an encyclopedia.  Go sit down and think about what that means before wasting our time.  --Blacksun 11:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The link "high levels" (of poverty) is to List of countries by percentage of population living in poverty.  The list is based on World Bank, IMF, and UN statistics.  India is ranked 16 is the list of countries by percentage of population surviving on less that $2 a day (that percentage is 79.9%).  The official Government of India poverty line is set artificially low, so in the nationally-defined poverty line list India turns up higher.  Although a dollar may go farther in India than some other places, poverty lines set by individual countries are not good economic indicators. The Indian poverty line (which is the inflation-adjusted amount that would have bought 2400 calories in food per person per day in rural areas and 2100 calories in urban areas in 1973) is now Rs. 540 per month, or $12 per month (at the Rs 45 = $1 exchange rate), or 40 cents per day. This assumes that the entire income of Rs. 540 is being spent on food. With this definition of the poverty line (ie. 40 cents per day), the proportions of Indians below the poverty line is 23% or 25% (depending on what statistics one quotes). The UN Human Development Index figure of "79.9% living on less than $2 per day" is more descriptive than "23% below the poverty line," unless one says, "23% below the poverty line of $0.40 per day." Even so, the latter gives only a picture of the most dire statistics.  So, yes, India still battles high levels of poverty.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Environmental degradation is common to any country in the world. Why it has to be mentioned in India article alone?.But What Fowler says about poverty is correct. India's poverty measurement differs from international poverty measurement. Also high level of poverty does not mean above 50%.--Indianstar 21:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: In the AIDS section, it was suggested that we might consider having a small section on the India page on Public Health and Environment (which would include AIDS, but also other public health challenges and successes (like eradication of small-pox) and the same for the environment).  I wonder what people think about this section.  As Saravask observed in the AIDS section above, some to the data is sobering, but it needs to be a part of the India page.  
It would be great if other editors could comment on the creation of such a section.  Thanks.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its possible.  However, regarding AIDS, their is lot of controversy on the figures that are often circulated in the mass media.  Their was a recent study that argued that AIDS numbers are inflated. 1  Their are also concerns expressed by the health officials in India that exaggeration of such numbers is leading to much needed funding to fight diseases such as Tuberculoses diverted to AIDS.  In short, I think that it might be a tough job to have a small and concise paragraph about this in the main article.  --Blacksun 10:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: A section on public health is not needed. (WP:Country) The information can be added in Demographics. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:57, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, that sounds good.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Public Health and Environment Section

message: Here are some references.  Please add others. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't support creating Public health section or mentioning other infectious diseases in India article. We are not trying to create inventory of diseases or travel warnings. AIDS has been identified as potential risk for overall India's economic growth by few economists,so I supported mentioning in India article. Other infectious diseases are mostly seasonal,temporary,not fatal(when treated properly). Other infectious diseases are part and parcel of any developing country. (Many people emphasise infectious diseases more frequently in these talk pages as if India is the only country which has these kind of diseases). AIDS does not distinguish developing or developed country like other infectious diseases.(Prevalence rate in US 0.6%, Bangladesh 0.1%). Most of the featured country articles does not have Public health section. It is sufficient if we mention AIDS in demographic section as suggested by Nichalp. --Indianstar 11:09, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not think that AIDS is so pervasive in the country as to be mentioned on the wikipedia page. BTW, none of the other countries with similar %age of AIDS victims is reporting it on theirs <read Russia, US to some extent>. Infact, if we need to mention AIDS, we should do it in a more holistic way - as in discuss the general health issues faced by the country, the research in the field, the quality and cost of health service, etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abhask (talk • contribs) 18:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References for Information on Public Health and the Enviroment

message: motto of country is: satyam+eva jayathe
eva in sanskrith used to emphasise. its does not mean "alone". so "truth itself triumphs" or just "truth triumphs" would be better. help me by your version of motto, im not much good in english emphasising words.
: The Government of India's India Image Portal, which aims "to provide comprehensive, accurate , reliable and one stop source of information about India and its various facets including its Government, heritage, economy, news, online citizen services etc." translates the phrase as "Truth alone triumphs"  - so I guess we have to stick with that. Abecedare 07:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  motto is not "truth alone triumphs"