Talk:Psychiatric hospital/Archive 1

message: History of mental hospitals? --user:Daniel C. Boyer
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Page fails to distinguish between mental hospitals and psychiatric wards.  Be more precise! --user:Daniel C. Boyer
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Either such hospitals are different in Britain, where the original author seems to be from, or this is a quite understated description.
#Suicide preventions measures go fairly far, including removing "sharps" (scissors, mirrors, etc.) from patients' possesion. The environment is altered as well. All windows have guards, light bulbs are enclosed, TVs are kept out of reach, etc.
#The atmosphere is not quite that calm. There is usually a bit of "acting out."
#The environment is kept more "normal" than in a medical hospital, yet the fact that most patients can not freely come and go, makes a big difference.
:In England at least, these things vary.  It depends on the hospital and the people they are designed to treat/accommodate. -- sannse 15:51 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)
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Is the title "mental hospital" the best one for this article?  In my experience it is quite a derogatory term.  Wouldn't "psychiatric hospital" be more appropriate? -- sannse 15:51 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)
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Whilst recognising that there are many problems with psychiatric care in the UK I feel this article jumps in too quickly with criticism.  I think it needs to begin by laying out an NPOV definition of what they are supposed to achieve and policy etc, and then discuss criticism later in the article.  And I speak as someone who has seen how poor the services can be.  I'm going to list this on articles needing attention --bodnotbod 11:23, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
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I have a relative that had spent a few weeks in a mental hospital last year.  It saved his life, if he had not gone he would have died.  As a result, we got to see a psych ward from the inside when visiting him.  It was most certainly not a jail.  The staff did much to make sure that those in the ward were comfortable, had their needs attended to, and those there got better quickly.  As good as that ward was for him, I know of some other wards in the state that aren't very good, and I wouldn't wish those wards on anyone.
172.209.224.1 02:08, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Old discussions

message: This article should also talk about using P.H. for forceful treatment of political prisoners in the Soviet bloc countries and possibly others (Saddam?). See Vladimir Bukovsky. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 09:11, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It also does not talk about these allegations as concerns other, Western countries, in particular the United States, and the role of the Secret Service in the openly-acknowledged use of these hospitals (despite no allegation that they are necessarily mentally ill) against those it deems a threat to protectees.  --Daniel C. Boyer 20:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crucial omission 

message: Okay, I typed up some "history". Please take a look at it and edit it as you see fit, especially if you think I've gotten something wrong -- I'm just doing this from memory (mostly), and most of my experience is with the development of the mental hospital as it proceeds in California through the 19th and 20th centuries -- so I might be wrong about the national picture, and I might be totally off about the world picture. But I figured if I threw out some things, maybe people would latch on and take it somewhere new... --Fastfission 23:45, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I have just done a number of rewrites and additions to this article and thanks to Fastfission for improvements to them. It reminded me of an article I read about 15 years ago which I think was in the Brit J Psych. It discussed the history of asylums. Does anyone know of this article? It would be good to reference it and to glean any gems from it.--CloudSurfer 18:19, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I think what would also belong in this article, that is that some patients of mental wards (such hospitals) often receive psychopharmaca, ie. mind-altering drugs. While the more "reasonable' of suchdrugs simply "level out" emotions, the stronger ones may turn patients into "a vegetable"...
Perhaps it would be worth mentioning such things... 213.200.248.36
I've been to a mental ward 4 times. And yes, it is boring, on the other hand, it gets way out of hand, people go screaming, people try to choke you (ive had this happen before) people throw glass at each other, its pretty bad.
Ive been to a mental hospital, and yes it is boring, but it is also can be pretty violent. I've seen people try to strangle me, throw glass at me, even kill me.
Ive been to a mental hospital, and yes it is boring, but it is also can be pretty violent. I've seen people try to strangle me, throw glass at me, even kill me. 70.176.219.169 08:18, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Some noteworthy points

message: Please note that at least as of the 1970s, discharge at will after being voluntarily committed was not as easy as the article leads one to believe. Zimbardo: Shyness tells us of an experiment in which a colleague of his got various people to have themselves voluntarily committed to psychiatric hospitals to see how long it took for them to be detected as normal and discharged. The answer turned out to be forever. Getting back out took assistance from friends or lawyers.
:I did not edit that particular paragraph, but, speaking as someone who works in a medium-term psychiatric unit, I can confirm that the article is correct in this respect, at least it is consistent with practise here in the United Kingdom. Obviously, I am not able to comment on the procedures used by other trusts, countries or decades. Although I should point out that if a voluntary patient attempts to discharge themselves, i.e. walk out of the hospital, emergency section powers may be used if it is believed that there is a serious threat of the patient harming themself or others. Rje 15:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my experience, anyone who voluntarily admitted themselves could ask to be signed out at any time-however, there was a procedure to go through.  If you want to leave, you have to see the head psychiatrist/doctor/whoever within 24 hours of submitting your request, and then they make sure you are fit to leave.  If not, they can hold you, but the specifics of how long the hold you varies from state to state, at least in the U.S. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.124.0.178 (talk) 03:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voluntary discharge from psychiatric institutions 

message: History of mental hospitals? --user:Daniel C. Boyer
Something more might be said about behaviorist psychiatric techniques, especially shaping behavior using (mainly positive) reinforcement. See H. J. Eysenck: Psychology Is About People, Ch. 3: Behaviourist technologies in psychiatry and education (Pelican Books, 1977); and T. Ayllon and N. Azrin: The Token Economy (Appleton-Century-Crofts, 1968).
I am not sure what question Daniel C. Boyer is asking, it may relate to a much earlier period when the article appears to have been called mental hospitals in which cae he might consider deleting it now.
I would like to raise the question "As the section on the History of psychiatric hospitals is now quite large and the whole article is becoming very large is it time for the History to be moved to its own page with a link form this page on current psychiatric hospitals?  DonBarton 00:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of psychiatric hospitals 

message: i saw this on the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychiatric_hospital#Geriatric_wards and didn't think it was right (maybe it is but i REALY doubt it):
"Geriatric wards are designed to help treat older adult patients. The staff of these wards are specially trained suck penises to deal with older patients."
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i found that it was recently edited, i changed it back to how it was before the edit. i am not that used to wikipedia, so i do not know how to block a user. if someone could block the user that changed it to the "especially trained to suck...", that would be greatly appreciated. thank you.
the user is: User:71.126.4.88
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I'm just guessing here, but that might be the same guy who added,"...and somethimes get mistaken as labor animals and get put in stables". (Removed by DF, who doesn't remember her log in, or how to sign edits.)
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replies: text: I would also surmise that such wards exist because elderly patients can have many non-psychiatric medical problems that a ward for general adults is not equipped to handle. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.124.0.178 (talk) 03:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wondering.. 

message: I suspect this article should not list every mental hospital worldwide. Therefore, I'm removing the list that was slowly growing here:
* McLean Hospital, an institution in Belmont, Massachusetts; the world's largest private psychiatric research centre in a hospital setting.
* Hanwell Asylum, West London, UK. The first purpose built psychaitric hospital in the UK (opened in 1831)and the largest in the UK (3800 beds by the 1940s). Sometimes said to be the largest in the world (unless you know different).  Still in operation and serving a population of around 2 million.
* Broadmoor Hospital, a hospital in Crowthorne, Berkshire, UK; the most famous institution in the country of those responsible for the care of patients formerly referred to as the 'criminally insane.'
* St. Elizabeths Hospital, in Washington, DC, which was the first large scale, federally-funded mental hospital in the United States.  Still in operation, serving approximately 600 consumers.
* State Hospital for Scotland and Northern Ireland, Carstairs, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
* The Sheppard and Enoch Pratt Hospital, an institution in Baltimore, Maryland.
* Royal Earlswood Hospital, a former 'British Idiot and Imbecile' asylum in Redhill, Surrey.
* Institute of Mental Health, a Singaporean psychiatric hospital.
* Whitby Psychiatric Hospital, an abandoned hospital in Whitby, Ontario.
* Danvers State Hospital, in Danvers, Massachusetts.
* Philadelphia State Hospital, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
* Traverse City State Hospital, an abandoned hospital in Traverse City, Michigan.
Cheers. JFW | T@lk 19:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, good move. A more complete list is at :Category:Mental hospitals. All mental hospitals should be listed there by being placed in that category. JonHarder 20:35, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List 

message: I have removed the image request for this article. Psychiatric hospitals are generally non-descript buildings from the outside, and I'm guessing that the requestor isn't after such images anyway. For obvious reasons of patient confidentiality, photography is not allowed in psychiatric hospitals - at least in the UK. Any such image could well lead to legal action being taken against Wikipedia; given how unremarkable the wards are anyway, it is not worth the trouble of obtaining such images. Rje 04:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if anyone is sincerely that curious, many wards and hospitals have photographs of their facilities on their own webpages, but aside from having a nurses station, patient rooms, etc. I doubt any of them look too terribly similar or noteworthy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.124.0.178 (talk) 03:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Image Request

message: There are other names for this facility. Some are offensive, but should be included. Among these are:
* Nut house
* Funny Farm
* Ha-Ha Hotel
* Bonker Barn
* Crazy house
* Mad House  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.173.104.223 (talk) 23:27, August 22, 2007 (UTC) 
After all, Wikipedia is NOT censored. 65.173.104.223 23:26, 22 August 2007 
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::Can this be stated in the article ? 65.173.104.223 23:44, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Were this a whole book on the subject, then perhaps a chapter could included detail such as this. As an encyclopaedic article however, it is too peripheral. There is urgent need for more focused material to bring the  the  article up to standard. So, in other words no.  This is not the place for it.  --Aspro 06:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Other names

message: The article currently has an "In Fiction" section, mentioning only Batman. I could see this list getting way out of hand if we mentioned all (even just notable) places in fiction where a psychiatric hospital is a setting.  I think we should remove this section.  Thoughts?  --Loudsox 01:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is something noteworthy about asylums in fiction that ought to be discussed, the fact that they're unerringly depicted as so horrifyingly destructive to the psyche that any sane person who enters one will inevitably become insane. It's a pretty significant claim that I'm sure most people believe in, but it could very well be true, since few people argue that putting an innocent person in prison for years will cause them to acquire the mannerisms of a criminal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 23:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Fiction? 

message: Some subjects have oddly worde/completely nonsensical grammar, and I had to delete Medium term as a type of hospital because it made no sense at all. I feel like this topic could be cleaned up and some of the information lost in the grammar issue reworded and replaced.
Funkbomb 18:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the edit history -- you'll see that 68.13.76.119 deleted some random chunks of text from the article on October 29.  I restored the deleted parts, and removed the Cleanup tag.  Dave6 07:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article sounds like a sales brochure for psychiatry. "Reports have surfaced that ECT is enjoying increased use" -? I reworded it to "Reports have surfaced that use of ECT is increasing", a much more grammatical phrase. So yes, I strongly agree that this article needs cleanup. Also, this article is not only full of POV phrasings, but also as I have noted with  and  tags, this article doesn't have very many citations. It does have gibberish, though.98.234.112.5 (talk) 22:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requiring cleanup 

message: There doesn't appear to be a definition to explain the term 'MERE OST'.  Part of the first sentence - referring to modern psychiatric hospitals - in the section Crisis Stabilization begins, "One MERE OST type is the crisis stabilisation [sic] unit..."  What that term means or stands for isn't obvious - at least to me.  But, perhaps I overlooked it somewhere.  Would someone with knowledge about this please add an explanation/definition placed after the term appears?  I think it will be beneficial to anyone coming to the page. True Lucidity 06:56, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition for Term 'MERE OST' Needed 

message: mentally retarded is not an acceptable term!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.205.99.11 (talk) 00:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mentally retarded

message: I found this page, if anyone wants to go through and cite some sources - a lot of it sounds pretty similar.
http://www.medhunters.com/articles/historyOfMentalHosps.html
Can-Dutch (talk) 16:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for refs 

message: Should the song "Institutionalized" be in the fiction section? The song ends with the narrator being sent to a mental institution. --S-man (talk) 23:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  In fiction 

message: Am I the only one who finds the re-directs from phrases such as 'loony bin' and 'nut house' incredibly offensive? I don't think that Wikipedia, a supposedly neutral source of information, should be condoning the use of this ignorant, narrow-minded terminology.--Heslopian (talk) 19:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-directs 

message: Please don't forget to mention Kai-Suan Psychiatric Hospital in Kaohsiung, Taiwan. I was there. There is a mention by scripps winborne on maps.google.com. --TaylorWW (talk) 07:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taiwan 

message: This article is not only written from the perspective of a spiteful and/or dissatisfied patient, it's written as though there is absolutely only one kind of psychiatric hospital. There are hundreds of inpatient hospitals for eating disorders, drug addiction (of the psychological variety), suicidal patients, schizophrenics, self-mutilators, even compulsive gamblers in the US alone. It's impossible to generalize this much to the entire concept without abandoning major components of psychiatric medicine. I've begun some minor copyediting to remove some obvious bias (clearly some poor fellow has a fixation on "discharging patients as soon as possible") but I lack much historical expertise on the subject. (History being an area I'm sure could use some work here.) TheMaskedImprover (talk) 01:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a broader scope 

message: The first line of this article states that this is not about history but about modern psychiatric hospitals, why then are all three pictures of old historical "bins" rather than modern facilities?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianmurray5 (talk • contribs) 11:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not about History 

message: More detail should be provided regarding the rationale for institutionalisation and how and why institutionalisation was seen as apt solution for the problem of madness. 
The Tuke's York retreat, moral treatment should feature here. Also, Foucault, Scull, and later critics of their positions.Freekra (talk) 01:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Institutionalisation 

message: Please ensure that all new additions to this article have proper citations to authoritative sources.Freekra (talk) 20:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnotes 

message: ==== Middle East ====
Unlike medieval Christian physicians who relied largely on demonological explanations for mental illness and treatment, medieval Muslim physicians and psychologists relied mostly on clinical observations. Such scholars made significant advances to psychiatry and were the first to provide psychotherapy and moral treatment for mentally ill patients, in addition to other forms of treatment such as baths, drug medication, music therapy and occupational therapy. 
In the 10th century, the Persian physician Muhammad ibn Zakarīya Rāzi (Rhazes) combined psychological methods and physiological explanations to provide treatment to mentally ill patients. His contemporary, the Arab physician Najab ud-din Muhammad, first described a number of mental illnesses such as agitated depression, neurosis, and sexual impotence (Nafkhae Malikholia), psychosis (Kutrib), and mania (Dual-Kulb).Ibrahim B. Syed PhD, "Islamic Medicine: 1000 years ahead of its times", Journal of the Islamic Medical Association, 2002 (2), p. 2-9 [7-8].
In the 11th century, another Persian physician Avicenna recognized 'physiological psychology' in the treatment of illnesses involving emotions, and developed a system for associating changes in the pulse rate with inner feelings, which is seen as a precursor to the word association test developed by Carl Jung in the 19th century.Ibrahim B. Syed PhD, "Islamic Medicine: 1000 years ahead of its times", Journal of the Islamic Medical Association, 2002 (2), p. 2-9 [7]. Avicenna was also an early pioneer of neuropsychiatry, and first described a number of neuropsychiatric conditions such as hallucination, insomnia, mania, nightmare, melancholia, dementia, epilepsy, paralysis, stroke, vertigo and tremor.S Safavi-Abbasi, LBC Brasiliense, RK Workman (2007), "The fate of medical knowledge and the neurosciences during the time of Genghis Khan and the Mongolian Empire", Neurosurg Focus 23 (1), E13, p. 3. Freekra (talk) 03:18, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of Middle East Section 

message: Unlike medieval Christian physicians who relied largely on demonological explanations for mental illness and treatment, medieval Muslim physicians and psychologists relied mostly on clinical observations. Such scholars made significant advances to psychiatry and were the first to provide psychotherapy and moral treatment for mentally ill patients, in addition to other forms of treatment such as baths, drug medication, music therapy and occupational therapy. 
In the 10th century, the Persian physician Muhammad ibn Zakarīya Rāzi (Rhazes) combined psychological methods and physiological explanations to provide treatment to mentally ill patients. His contemporary, the Arab physician Najab ud-din Muhammad, first described a number of mental illnesses such as agitated depression, neurosis, and sexual impotence (Nafkhae Malikholia), psychosis (Kutrib), and mania (Dual-Kulb).Ibrahim B. Syed PhD, "Islamic Medicine: 1000 years ahead of its times", Journal of the Islamic Medical Association, 2002 (2), p. 2-9 [7-8].
In the 11th century, another Persian physician Avicenna recognized 'physiological psychology' in the treatment of illnesses involving emotions, and developed a system for associating changes in the pulse rate with inner feelings, which is seen as a precursor to the word association test developed by Carl Jung in the 19th century.Ibrahim B. Syed PhD, "Islamic Medicine: 1000 years ahead of its times", Journal of the Islamic Medical Association, 2002 (2), p. 2-9 [7]. Avicenna was also an early pioneer of neuropsychiatry, and first described a number of neuropsychiatric conditions such as hallucination, insomnia, mania, nightmare, melancholia, dementia, epilepsy, paralysis, stroke, vertigo and tremor.S Safavi-Abbasi, LBC Brasiliense, RK Workman (2007), "The fate of medical knowledge and the neurosciences during the time of Genghis Khan and the Mongolian Empire", Neurosurg Focus 23 (1), E13, p. 3. Freekra (talk) 03:18, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle East 

message: At the risk of some duplication, I am thinking of splitting the section “Types” into US and UK sub-sections. It is at present, difficult  to expand, because  although these types on different sides of the Atlantic are  roughly similar in purpose, there are  differences in both  terminology, detail  and scope. If these were  included  in one section it could lead to misunderstandings.--Aspro (talk) 19:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Splitting types into  US and UK sections

message: Are there known facts or sources about military psychiatric Hospitals? 84.73.27.207 (talk) 14:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The military psychiatric Hospital 

message: We need to determine whether this article is to use American or British English variation. I am especially seeing inconsistency in "ise/ize" suffixes. I have no opinion but would like to see one style selected and the article use it consistently. Jojalozzo 17:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do we 'need' too? This is an article of international interested. How would it improved the global readability. Take it from me, these trifles  are only of interest to spelling fascists and proof-readers in  banana republics . Even Shakespeare himself, spelt his name six different ways.   Quote: “Attempts to regularize or reform the language, including spelling reform, have usually met with failure.” Ref: English_orthography#Spelling_irregularities.--Aspro (talk) 19:25, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  English variation? 

message: Hello. Can you write a list of Psychiatrics hospitals over the World by size (number of beds and number of  researchers) ? I think that the biggest is :fr:Centre hospitalier Sainte-Anne in Paris.--212.194.47.49 (talk) 13:15, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi 212.194.47.49! I added your request to Wikipedia:Requested articles/Applied arts and sciences/Medicine. However, we are all volunteers here, so there is no guarantee that anybody will create this article. With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 07:14, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Psychiatrics hospitals over the World by size 

message: In as much as I sympathize with the rationale behind the argument in the statement below from the History section, the context leads me to believe that it is biased. There are probably a number of other reasons that can be cited for the increase in the number of cases, besides the growth of psychiatry.
>>in England at the beginning of the nineteenth century there were, perhaps, a few thousand "lunatics" housed in a variety of disparate institutions but by 1900 that figure had grown to about 100,000. That this growth coincided with the growth of alienism, later known as psychiatry, as a medical specialism is not coincidental.<< Marty55 (talk) 03:14, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, one of those reasons was that it was known that there were many people who were mentally ill but for lack of an alternative were placed in the UK workhouses, the building of the county asylums in the England and Wales was specifically to transfer these people into modern caring facilities where they could be looked after. Having moved them you could then count them correctly.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianmurray5 (talk • contribs) 11:31, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

text: I've added a Maintenance Template for Neutrality because of this and a few other reasons. While I agree with the person responsible for the arguments against Psychiatric Hospitals, the tone doesn't suit a Wikipedia article Sparechair (talk) 13:19, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Phrasing has long since been changed. I also did a minor edit. Removed the tag subsequently. MartinezMD (talk) 00:39, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased statement 

message: I have been reading through this article and stumbled upon the following:
"In 2009, a visitor at the Philhaven psychiatric ward reported a patient walking slowly and moaning. She said when the staff picked her up, she looked starved. Two other patients were given straight jackets and berated, pushed. Another visitor reported one staff member calling his autistic child an animal[,] picked [it] up and drugged [it]. Another patient, who is currently writing this section, was subjected head-banging starvation, and loss of visitation rights. He was quickly refed, hydrated and discharged. Despite telling his parents, they didn't listen. The staff made the head-banging look like he was doing it, allaying suspicion. During his stay, he witnessed a 12 year old girl,[sic] die right beside him.
The author of this section wants the world to know so much about his experiences, he decided to write them on Wikipedia. To this day, his parents won't let him tell anyone about it."
I could go into how it doesn't meet the formal standards for a Wikipedia article, but I think this is quite a solid case of WP:NOTRELIABLE, however much it pains me. I understand that the person who wrote this article feels like his story should be shared with the world, (and personally I agree), but I don't think Wikipedia is the right platform to do this. If the author feels like his story could be shared with the world, I would be more than willing to help him (my talk page is right here), but unfortunately it does not befit a Wikipedia article.
If there is no opposition to this, I will remove the section. AnnaOurLittleAlice (talk) 05:24, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abuse and neglect 

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message: Hi all,
It seems like this particular section ("psychiatric hospital was built by the Muslims in Baghdad in 705 AD, under the leadership of the Umayyad Caliph Al-Walid ibn Abd al-Malik") is a result of some confusion. The source in this article names its own source as Youssef & Youssef ("Evidence for the existence of schizophrenia in medieval Islamic society"), which does not actually claim that anywhere. Anyway, the supposed hospital was in Damascus, not Baghdad, and it was actually just a leper house (Development of Hospitals in Islam, Sami Hamarneh: "careful examination of a much earlier and more reliable source, the history of al-Tabari (d 923), shows that al-Walid's generous act of helping the sick was mainly a philanthropic decree to aid the blind and the disabled and to establish separate quarters wherein lepers could be confined to prevent the spread of the disease.") The confusion with Baghdad is probably due to a later hospital built there under the caliph Harun al-Rashid.
Just figured I'd mention that in case anyone happens to come across the same claim on other pages (see WP: Jagged 85 cleanup). Dragoon17 (talk) 06:40, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  al-Walid's hospital