Talk:IndyCar (disambiguation)

message: The majority of the IndyCar article is already covered under Indy Racing League, to a casual fan they are both one in the same.
The article for ChampCar is what a single IRL article should look like.
*Since the term "IndyCar," and thus the term "IndyCar Series" now flatly refers to the "Indy Racing League," there is no need to have a seperate page. The spirit of the page is not directed towards "Indy cars" (i.e., open wheel cars in general...that topic is better served over at American Championship Car Racing and Open wheel car) I support the merging of the topics. 
**As a side note, I think "Indy Racing League" should remain as the page, and "Indycar" should redirect to "Indy Racing League" Doctorindy 17:08, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IndyCar/Indy Racing League 

message: I was wondering if I should create a separate article regarding Indy’s official theme song, “I am Indy”. The song is the first official theme song for a modern professional sport. The new article could explain its purpose in Indy’s marketing campaign, list its lyrics, and have more information about its authors. Does this sound good idea? Would it be better to just create a separate subheading within this article?
Master Strike 19:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have more than a few sentences, then Be bold and Go for it! There are probably thousands of notable songs on here. It should meet the WP:MUSIC guideline by the criteria: "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page.) " Thank you for your interest in Wikipedia! Royalbroil Talk  Contrib 13:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "I am Indy" 

message: I think we have some agreement about making IndyCar a disambig page. I can think of three links off the top of my head..
*Indycar---> or "Indy car", referring to the style of car....direct to Open wheel car
*Indycar---> referring to the CART series basically called the "Indycar World Series" (1979-1991) and "IndyCar" (from 1992-1997)....direct to Champ Car
*Indycar---> Referring to the IRL, which adopeted the name 2003-present....direct to Indy Racing League
I think that all of the text present in the current IndyCar article can be merged into the Indy Racing League article, specifically under the heading "History of the IndyCar name" and under a seperate header describing the current IndyCar Series in short detail. I notice there is only passive mention of the "IndyCar Series"
If there is no noticeable objection in the next few days, I'll procede with the merging/redirecting of the articles shortly. Doctorindy 17:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree about creating a disambiguous page. I think it should have an atypically long description compared to most dis. pages. It should include the names and dates, and a sentence or two per link. In my mind a fair bit of the data should remain, with the exception of the longest paragraph, but the format of the article should change. The song should be broken out into its own article (per above). We can work out those details after you create the disambiguous page. I propose creating a temporary subpage such as Indycar/Proposed due to my unusual suggestion. We can work out the details there. We can have the page deleted after we work it out. We should keep the discussion here, to make the deletion easier. Royalbroil Talk  Contrib 14:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this 100%--74.108.99.181 00:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I love the direction that this article has taken. Great job of grabbing the lead, doctorindy! Royalbroil Talk  Contrib 00:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation

message: What is this article about? It is marked as a disambiguation page, but it doesn't disambiguate anything, and doesn't follow WP:MOSDAB. The page contains several assertions that are unreferenced, and seems quite POV -- quite an accomplishment for a disambiguation page. Indy Cars have a long history; why isn't it written-up here? -- Mikeblas 14:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The history of IndyCars are under the CART (Champ Car) and Indy Racing League pages, respectively, based on the series that sanctioned them at the time (CART prior to 1996, IRL after 1996). CorSter 06:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This page was created after a very long discussion (see above). The page has its unusual format because the history of the series involved required a long discussion to explain the difference between each. There are numerous series involved including forks in the evolution of the cars. There are currently two series running the cars. It is an unusual disambiguous page due to the unusual circumstances. Note that WP:MOSDAB is a guideline, and this is the occasional exception. The page is the core of WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing. No clean way to deal with the problems was found. You can propose a better way to deal with this page at WP:AOWR. Royalbroil 12:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intention? 

message: This new section was added by User:GoldDragon. We arrived at the unusually long disambiguous page as a earlier compromise, which was against the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) guideline. Since guideline can be broken with consensus, this is fine, and the discussion has been used to justify its former state. Now there is much more text, discussion should determine whether or not this section should be kept. Or should the page be not marked as disambiguous? Please comment below. Royalbroil 12:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep the section. The only change is adding the history of the term. The disambiguous portion of the page is still used and relevant. I could see removing the disambiguous template from the page though. I could go either way on that topic. Royalbroil 12:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Merge the separated sections into a cohesive single article. As the term originated from the people/fans, not from a corporate entity, and referenced the literal "Indy cars/machines," its development over time should be elucidated furst, and the current uses of it should be catalogued thereafter. --Chr.K. 23:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand. You want the text simplified. What do you want to merge it into? Royalbroil 05:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is currently divided into two major sections: the disambiguation, and then the history. But as the term has only one single origin, both sections can and should be merged into one whole, starting out with an explanation of where the term came from, then proceeding to explain the development of the different forms it might now be applied to. I.e., disambiguation is not what is necessary so much as elaboration, as to how the subsets developed into present form. --Chr.K. 01:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. You want to change the page from a disambiguous page plus history into history text with wikilinks. Then it would no longer be a disambiguous page. How would this new direction for this article differ from the current American Championship Car Racing article? Royalbroil 04:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The American Championship Car Racing article currently focuses primarily on the history of the sport, especially the politics that have made it what it is, with very little information on the technical specifications that distinguish the machines themselves from either Formula One or any similar type of open-wheel racing cars. Emerson Fittipaldi once gave an ITV interview wherein he described such differences, most notably how the Indycars are heavier than their international counterparts in order to account for the much higher speeds they reach, and how the engines are designed to take a steadier constant stress than their F1 counterparts but accordingly sacrifice velocity derivation and gearshifting time in order to achieve such. Maybe this means there should instead be an American Championship Car article which includes direct comparisons between the two major American open-wheel racing series technical regulations as well as between American and international standards, but on the whole, we have a split page, wherein its both the beginnings of historical explanation of how the term has become what it has in the modern day, but also in dividing matters up at the top of the page. Is this page to be disambiguation of the name, or specification of the THING itself? To effectively glue both together, either in this article or others, seems to me a bit...amateur in style, not to offend anyone? I think we can do better. Thoughts. --Chr.K. 20:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your patience. I think I finally understand now. You are suggesting that the article should have a section showing the history of the term, then the article would have a section discussing the current use of the term. Your proposal sounds reasonable. A comparison article between numerous genres of motorsports has been suggested at WP:MOTOR here. Please bring it up there for the conversation needs reviving anyhow. It would be appropriate to compare the two series in this article even if it would duplicate something that would exist somewhere else. Royalbroil 00:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History of the IndyCar name

message: I've made a few updates to the page; first off, I moved IndyCar Series above IndyCar World Series since the latter is a league that is no longer operating. Secondly, I changed to the wording of the World Series section to the past tense to reflect that it is not in existence, and also mentioned that it CCWS merged with the IRL. Charles 22:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Updates 

message: An uncontroversial move of this article took place without discussion or mention on this talk page. I dispute the move, so I moved the article back pending a discussion. The IRL's official website and other media outlets at a google search  all use the CamelCase "IndyCar". Royalbroil 03:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, IndyCar is the form of the term that is technically correct in any sort of print. -Drdisque (talk) 03:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: This is a very poor DAB.  I realize that editors of this DAB believe that they've received a special waiver but there is no arguing that this in no way complies with MoS:DAB.  Reviewing the "dos and don'ts" (WP:DDD) this guy breaks most of them:
Disambiguation pages are not articles – they are navigation aids!
*Be familiar with WP:DAB and MoS:DAB.
*File:Green_check.png‎Put the link at the start of each entry, if possib
*Keep descriptions short.
*Organize the page to simplify navigation.
*Use fragments, not complete sentences, in entries.
*Link to a primary topic, if there is one, at the top.
*Link to Wiktionary using  when appropriate.
*Fix incoming links to point to the right target article.
*Consider joining WikiProject Disambiguation.
--Hutcher (talk) 03:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll be back next year to clean-up this mess again :S --Hutcher (talk) 03:51, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: 1 for 9

message: Just a heads-up that the new CEO Randy Bernard will be getting rid of the IRL name January 1st, 2011 and changing the name of the series sanctioning body to IndyCar.  http://sports.yahoo.com/irl/news?slug=ap-irl-toronto-notebookFroo (talk) 02:26, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Indy Racing League name change to IndyCar

message: Hello, all. Folks, most of the discussion above is no longer germane because this page has gradually been simplified to the point where it is now a true Disambiguation page. Readers can find this page and then go directly from it to the page they want to peruse. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 19:18, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simplified Disambiguation page