Talk:Crips/Archive 1

message: Do we really need an entire paragraph devoted to explaining what cocaine and crack are in the middle of a gang article?  I understand that it's related, but there's no reason to expound on the subject when it can just be linked.  Bradenmcg 15:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: crack was invented and promulagated in Los Angeles by a Crip named freeway ricky ross. Most gang members make a living (so to speak) by selling crack, and the life of a gang-related drug dealer has become mythologized in popular culture since the beginnings of gangsta rap. i feel it's notable enough to have a section devoted to it.Gilgamesh Rex 18:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cocaine?

message: Washington High is said to be located in Fremont, California. When you click on Fremont, it says its a neighborhood by San Jose, which is 6 hours away from LA. Is there a mistake there?
: There are many washington highs. Tookie and some original crips were students at the one in Los Angeles. Reggaedelgado 06:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and thanks for catching the bad link. I think the one they went to is now formerly called "Washington Preparatory Senior High School", but we don't have an article on it yet. -Willmcw 09:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Washington High

message: I've heard a few theories on how the name "Crip" came about... anyone got books on their history? One theory (i believe!) is that they were first called the "cribs" or came from "cribs", another gang. The second says the letters stand for something - "community, something, something", ... and so forth. I've seen both theories in books and on television documentaries but I'm not sure which to start with. Basically, if you've got a book about these street gangs please add a line or two until we can flesh it out. Don't be afraid to simply say "One theory is..." "...as Mrs. Writer writes in SOME BOOK". We can add all theories here, just cite your sources. I wish I had the information on hand, I hope this helps someone start off. JoeHenzi 22:50, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: theories

message: This is the only method of contacting the site runners without clicking on 300 links, but I think I have some information that you might be interested in involving the origin of the gang name C.R.I.P. or the crips. Crip stands for Community.Revolution.In.Progress. The CRIPS were started as a result of police targeting african men after the weapons ban. This resulted in the CRIPS banning together and traveling from place to place in large numbers to scare off the cops that would often beat and arrest african americans due to the color of there skin.
Thanks for reading,
Dirthac820@yahoo.com
:I can't imagine that the creators of wikipedia are in the least bit interested in the vaguarities of a single article.
:Any chance of a verifiable source for this info? Cheers, -Willmcw 05:49, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, 'cause it's not even remotely true. Tookie Williams has made it pretty clear that he started the gang as a response to the random violence at his HS (Washington), and that they got the name because they walked with canes (tookie had broken his leg early in his "career" as a crip Reggaedelgado 17:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

text: This couldn't be more wrong.  I double dog dare you to provide any proof that this, or any of the other "Backronyms" for CRIP have any place in the creation of the name.  -Dudepal 10:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Do or Die by Leon Bing says different, as i have written above.Gilgamesh Rex 19:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of name

message: What happened to the purple Grape St bandana image? I think it was worth having, as the Grape Street Watts Crips are pretty infamous, certainly one of the most well-known sets, and having the purple bandana image is no different to the green Lime Street Piru bandana over on the Bloods page. I'm not really moaning about it, just wondering why it was taken down. Doctor Atomic 02:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What happened to the Grape St Crips bandana pic?

message: Don't leave out tha G Crips. You gotta mention these guys. They are described as the following:
G-Crips is the slang term for gentleman crips.
This group like the crips are a gang, but unlike the crips the G-Crips consist of upper class English and Welsh aristocrats. The traditional dress of the G-crips is a blue dress shitrt under a blue sport coat with blue or black trousers and a blue or black top hat.The G-crips also usually carry a cane.
The traditional side arm of the G-crips is the Ruger kmk-512 aka the crip cannon which they get from the IRA.
Mostly as a jest the G-crips refer to each others a negroes instead of calling themselves the infamous N-word
Probally the most famous G-crip group is the Hanover Crips which are based in Hanover,England.
There are also G-crip groups in London, Essex, Greenwhich, Edinburgh and St.Andrews.
:We're always looking for new information to include in articles, but it must meet a few policies, most notably it is verifiable and its from another reference that we can cite.  If you can list a source which has published the above information, it can be included.  Unfortunately, first-hand knowledge, or things without a third-party source aren't included in Wikipedia articles. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 02:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  G Crips 

message: why yall deleted that part? its true —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rdbsmoove (talk • contribs) 22:52, 4 May 2006  (UTC)
: This article has major verifiability problems.  Please WP:CITE sources for any additions or changes you make.  75.0.168.226 22:54, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Great divide

message: even though you cannot find a reference to WC as being a crip in songs by other rappers they all say that he is from 111 N hood crip
:...And this is important because...64.241.230.3 13:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WC 

message: Lloyd banks never said he was a crip or anything. He has said it him self that blue is his favourite colour and that is why he wears it not because he is trying to be a crip to increase incredibility
:Good. 64.241.230.3 13:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lloyd banks 

message: when the crabs spread out of LA and teamed up with wannabe GD's they stole the lit the fake GDs managed ta steal and made a 8ball fake alliance and now they claim 6's. just like the slobs stole the 5 from fakeass out of town vicelords. true shit and i aint got no links im a witness to this shit —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 7LonCkity9 (talk • contribs) 01:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Crabs? GDs? Stole the lit? 8 Ball fake alliance? Claiming 6s and stealing 5s? What does any of this even mean? --S0uj1r0 16:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't go in without a hard source, 'fraid. For all we know you could be making it up off the top of your head - we've no way of telling the fake-ass wigger wannabes apart from the real deal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.76.125.230 (talk) 05:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lit Stealing/fake crips 

message: Pardon me, but what exactly is a set? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.98.243.249 (talk) 05:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A set is a group within the overall gang alliance. It's the basic gang 'unit', so to speak. It's like clans within a larger tribe. Cliques are even smaller groups within a set, a collection of a few friends who typically hang out or work (gang-related 'work', that is) together. To take an example from the article, the Crips are the gang, the PJ Crips are a set of the Crips, and the GK Boyz are a clique within the PJ Crips. Gang > Set > Clique > individual gangsters. Doctor Atomic 05:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fancy wording... in an encylopedia... oh, the shame, the shame... ;-) Actually, formal language and analysis are used because this site is for informing people, so it's helpful to explain things out, and to do it not using slang, because not everyone knows the basic elements of gang culture or all of its terms. What is plain and simple to one person may not make a lot of sense to another if they aren't familiar with it already. Saying "a set is your hood, your turf, your home" is oversimplifying things. Is Jordan Downs in Watts a set? No, but it fits all the criteria of the earlier definition. Is Bounty Hunter a home? No, but it is the name of a set. So it's not as clear cut as all that. Clarifications like that can be important for people who don't already have an understanding of the subject. Doctor Atomic 05:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Bounty Hunters Bloods being a set in and of themselves. Insane Crips - another set. Both groups, not actual places. They may be closely associated with certain places, but that's not the same thing. Jordan Downs - a place in Watts, claimed by the Grape Street Crips, who are a set. Jordan Downs isn't a group, not a Crips set in that sense. The word isn't as clear cut as you've been making out. Doctor Atomic 04:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A "set"? 

message: I'm adding this for future editors of this article. There are a group of people starting to spread an alternate history of the Crips. The history they have come up with is false and politically motivated. 
They are spreading stories and writing histories that say that the Crips were a non-gang political offshoot of the Black Panthers. The second part of the story says that the FBI/Hoover had a secret program to remove the "good" Crip leaders and manipulate the organization to fight itself. 
None of that is true. The people writing the false histories are basically finding people who nobody remembers, making them experts on everything that happened, and then putting words in their mouth which they write down as if it were the truth. 
The Crips were never a political organization. Its always been a gang. 65.117.65.184 04:28, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  False stories circulating 

message: I removed the section on the Origin of the Crip name, as it was unsourced and contradicted the sourced statements in the History section. ~MDD4696 18:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of name 

message: Does the Black Eyed Peas reference really need to be in here? Many people have denounced gang violence; to list off every reference condemning the crips for such actions would be ridiculous. It seems to promote the musical group for spouting off a straw man argument; after all, who would really stand up and say, "I support gang violence"?
I agree with whoever wrote thisJmm6f488 02:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural References 

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message: There is a mistake in the article I believe. In Tookies memoairs he states that crips was initially spelled "crib" and that it later evolved into the word crip because it was often misunderstood. And bloods believe that crips are called CRabz. He also states that it does not stand for "Community Revolution In Progress" as also mentioned in this article.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.10.11 (talk) 21:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crips,ferraz meaning of word 

message: Someone needs to provide reliable sources to the section on entertainers with Crip affiliations. Other than the Christian anti-gang website cited, I can't find anything linking Afroman to the Crips, except for one lyric from the song "Back 2 School" where he refers to himself as "the educated crip." Afroman is know for ironic and humorous lyrics, and I don't think this is enough to assume he's actually a Crip. Please read up on the Wikipedia guidelines on reliable sources. Toscaesque (talk) 20:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Entertainers with Crip affiliations 

message: Within the first paragraph there is a line that goes "Crips were not founded by 15-year-old Raymond Washington and Stanley Tookie Williams III . The Crips and Bloods are the children of political groups such as the Black Panthers, Slausons, and US Orginization." This is obviously a slur against the Crips and I recommend it for deletion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.46.136.136 (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed this unsourced information. Tasc0 It's a zero! 18:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the main topic line, Regarding the start of the Crips. 

message: if you knew any knowledge about Crip we started bkefore bkloods were created and the name was changed to Crips bkefore slobkz were created.
hol' up, i'm confused. 
are the bloodz n' nortenos allies?
crips n' surenos allies?
bloodz n' crips rivals?
nortenos n' surenos rivals?72.226.157.22 (talk) 02:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  allies n' rivals 

message: I believe that the crip gang is very weak in having to fight it's own group members.  It shouldn't matter where you are our what stand of the gang you are, it matters that you are all walking around with the same colour.  Don't kill an allie if they believe what you believe.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.215.229 (talk) 05:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  My Understanding 

message: The 8 Ball Alliance started in the midwest after the 8 ball alliance that occurred in Kansas City, Missouri in 1993 during a gang peace summit. It started because the local Crip sets and Gangster Disciples were getting savagely attacked by the local Blood sets Vice Lords,and Black P Stones. The Bloods and Black P Stones in Kansas City would naturally team up against the other gangs because of their alliance they already had in Los Angeles. So the local Crip sets and Gangster Disciples decided to create a secondary alliance and unite under the 8 ball, which is what you get when you put the "C" hand sign and a "Pitch Fork" hand sign together. This alliance caused the Crips who participated in it to adopt the 6 point star with their own meaning and create their own literature to implement the 6 point star in. In light of the Crip and Gangster Disciple alliance, the local Blood sets and Almighty Black P Stones in Kansas City, Missouri took it upon themselves to form a secondary alliance also. The name for this alliance was called the Almghty Flame Alliance (AFA). This alliance caused the Bloods who participated in it to adopt the 5 point star with their own meaning and create their own literature to implement the 5 point star in. All Crips and Gangster Disciples under the 8 ball alliance were to add new teachings to their lit called "The Universal 8 Ball Doctrine". In addition to the The Universal 8 Ball Doctrine, Crips sets under the 8 Ball Alliance have created the "8 Ball Crip Bible". All Bloods and Black P Stones under the AFA alliance were to add "Red Flame Manifesto" to their lit. Although these secondary alliances were non-official local alliances that were not embraced in and held no weight in the motherlands of Chicago and Los Angeles, these alliances were still widely embraced by almost everyone else and quickly spread.
The 8 Ball Alliance and Almighty Flame Alliance was firmly established by the end of 1993 throughout the United States. Many (not all) Chicago and Los Angeles motherland natives have shown great animosity and hatred towards these new alliances due to the many changes in the structure and ways of the Bloods, Crips, Gangster Disciples, and Almighty Black P Stones that participate in these alliances have made from their origins. Eventhough the Gangster Disciples strictly represent to the Right, the 8 ball Crip sets have continued to represent to the left like the original Crip sets. This shows that even though they have made the secondary alliance with the Gangster Disiples, Crips have no interest in being part of the Folks Nation. Not all Crips represent the 6 point star. Only Crips under the 8 ball alliance represent the 6 point star. The 8 Ball alliance has also caused members from both the Crips and Gangster Disciples to splinter off and create new hybrid Crips / Gangster Disciple combination gangs that are known to represent to the Left side like the Crips in Los Angeles, but have the word "Disciple" attached to their set name
Some Crip sets and Gangster Disciples that were under the 8 ball alliance have been known to "Crack" the 8 Ball, which is dropping the 8 Ball alliance and going to war with each other. Once those individuals decide to crack the 8 Ball, they revert back to their origins and drop all 8 Ball lit from their teachings. Cracking the 8 Ball does not affect the Hybrids.
Some Crip sets and Gangster Disciples are still under the 8 ball alliance in certain states in the Midwest, South, and East Coast.
Many Crips and Gangster Disciples participate and join up in "stacking" (throw up gang signs) together. In the South, Crips and Gangster Disciples are considered "cousins".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeRoyddrick (talk • contribs) 18:36, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "8" Ball Alliance between the Crips and the Gangster Disciples (Folk Nation)  

message: Nortes can be allies with crips, crips are blue and nortes are red (soo) some crips sets dont like surenos ..Theres a set in california called C-14 were there is crips and nortes unite,they both hate bloods and surenos.
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Nortenos are allied with Crips, it was established in prison. The only Crip sets Nortenos dont get along with are the ones based in LA - however, any Crip set in Northern California or any other state is under a Nuetral or Strong alliance with Nortenos. C-14 is in fact a way of supporting the Crip-Norteno alliance. 
Azteca Imperio 21:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nortenos and Crips '''ALLIANCE''' 

message: I think more needs to be added to this article to make it comprehensive.  The larger affiliation of Crip is broken down at various levels with various alliances, beefs, geographical situations, etc and I think not having something on that leaves this article less than fully informative:
For instance, Los Angeles-area Crip gangs are divided into two larger groups of alliances - the "deuces" and the "trays" (deuce meaning two, tray meaning three).  Gangs like the Rollin 60's, Darkside 40's and other sets are "deuce" Crips while gangs like Eight-Tray Gangstas are "tray"-affiliated.  I've heard a variety of reasons for the distinction but it should be noted that "deuces" and "trays" are usually in opposition to each other.  Also there are affiliations such as NHood's or Nieghborhood Crips...to which the "Rollin" gangs are a part, along with gangs such as 67 Neighborhood Crip or Lynwood Neighborhood Crip (NHC).  There are also the Gangsta Crip gangs such as the afore-mentioned eight-tray Gangstas, and there were once Hoover (or Hoova) Crip gangs who broke away from the Crips and now refer to themselves as Hoova Criminals.  Crip gangs also break down by geography...there are Watts Crips in Watts (PJ Watts Crip, Grape Street Watts Crip, Front Hood Watts Crip), Compton Crips in Compton (Twilight Zone Compton Crip, Nutty Blocc Compton Crip, Park Village Compton Crip), East Coast Crips on the Eastside of South LA (the name East Coast Crips predates the spread of Crips to the actual East Coast of the United States) and the West Coast Crips on the West Side of Long Beach.  It also should be noted that some of the most violent gang rivalries in Los Angeles County are between Crip sets and other Crip sets, such as the Rollin 60's/83 Gangstas rivalry in South LA or the Insane Crip/Rollin 20's Crip rivarly in Long Beach.  
I think also the expansion of the Crips and the varying forms they take on in different areas should be noted...Crips on the East Coast tend to have a more organized structure than their West Coast predecessors, and the Crip-Crip rivalries that dominate in Los Angeles are rare even in other parts of California.
I think there should be at least a brief mention of the relationship between the decline and migration of Crip gangs with the greater trends of growing Chicano presence in traditional African-American neighborhoods and "Black Flight" to suburbs and other parts of the country.
Finally I think some of the more known sets of crips should be identified and given seperate articles or stubs as they are usually identified seperately by law enforcement and the judicial system in gang injunctions and targeted enforcement efforts.  For instance:
Eight Tray (83) Gangsta Crip in South LA
Rollin' 60's Crip in South LA
Raymond Ave Crip in Athens and Altadena
Insane Crip and Rollin 20 Crip in Long Beach
West Coast Crip in Long Beach
PJ Watts Crip and Grape Street Watts Crip in Watts
Shot Gun Crip in Gardena
Six-Deuce (6/2) Dimond Crip Gang in Fresno, Merced, Modesto and Stockton
Garrett Street Crip in Fresno
97th Street Eastcoast Crips  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.123.167.72 (talk) 03:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sets/Sub-affiliations - add more to this article 

message: An editor added a name of celebs that are Crips. While I know the list is mostly correct, we might have a BLP issue since it's not referenced. Labelling a living person as a member of a criminal organization without references is a problem, don't you think? Niteshift36 (talk) 14:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible [[WP:BLP]] issue 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Raymond Lee Washington - mugshot.gif

message: I see Wikipedia has produced an article about the Crips,and the word 'gun' does not appear anywhere in the article. It's well-known that the Crips are usually armed with guns,and they have been implicated in many execution-style slayings,drive-by shootings,and so on. Since your Wikipedia article about the Crips does not mention guns,it serves to whitewash the entire Crip phenomenon. This article is strongly biased in favor of the Crips,it is one of the most outstanding examples of biased writing I have ever seen. An article about the Crips that does not contain the word 'gun'! Your article makes the Crips seem like a bunch of innocent little boys scouts. ----Anthony Ratkov  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.248.9.44 (talk) 08:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guns? 

message: Some mention of gang colours would be nice. --Timtak (talk) 07:36, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue 

message: Now, this is really idiotic. The article starts like this: "The Crips are a primarily, but not exclusively, African American gang [...]"
So, does that mean that black people from Australia etc. can join, too? No, it is supposed to mean that you don't have to have black skin to join. But it doesn't say that. PC-speak is just sick.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.56.110.154 (talk) 09:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing I know for sure: Crips is not a white-only redneck gang out of Southern states, so you must try other racial combinations. --Officer Boscorelli (talk) 11:28, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black People/white people 

message: Their name stands for Community Revolution In Progress it has nothing to do about Stanley Williams not pronouncing crib right  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AssassinOfLife (talk • contribs) 04:18, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a couple sources that indicate "Community Revolution in Progress" was a backronym created by the black student union at UCLA years after the formation. dissolvetalk 19:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  How Crips got their name 

message: I don't really think it belongs here. There are literally hundreds of different sets within the Crips and I don't see the real need to list a couple that don't really have any real notability. Opinions? Niteshift36 (talk) 13:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I also don't think a list is a good idea per WP:EMBED. If the list could be turned into a paragraph of prose with some descriptions and context and its contents were verifiable in a reliable secondary source, I wouldn't object to listing some examples of sets. dissolvetalk 19:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree that one problem with a list of sets is that it invites original research and totally agree that the current sourcing is not a secondary reliable source and not acceptable per WP:SPS. I have seen some mentions of specific sets in various newspaper articles and scholarly publications  though, so think they could be added if properly sourced per WP:V. It seems like there's enough editors watching this article to revert any vandalism, original research, or unsourced facts that are added. dissolvetalk 20:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section on sets 

message: The number is world wide extremly small it's sould be univers bigger! Like 100,000 or more you have bloods and crips in all the big cities in Canada like Toronto, Montreal, New Zealand (Mainly Maori) Ottawa and more!
Young Piece (talk) 01:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of members! 

message: There is a local "version" of the Crips in the Philippines, known to exist in Cebu and Bohol, maybe other areas also. They do intensely dislike another local gang called "Bloods" and members of both sides have killed each other. Whether this "Filipino version" of the Crips has any connection to the Crips in the USA is unknown by me. Here's a link to an article regarding them http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2008/05/17/news/wanted.crips.leader.nabbed.html most of what i know is from what my friends tell me and the graffiti that i've seen around Cebu and Bohol. They seem to be widespread in these areas. I'm told by friends that this local "Crips" do identify with the Crips of America, but I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned on the wikipedia Crips article.
Dr Gwapo (talk) 15:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crips in the Philippines 

message: I know it is a bit trivial but the fact that for a brief moment in history the Crips and Bloods worked together on a project is pretty noteworthy. I myself don't know much about it. That's why I came to the page. -- Eddy  (talk|contribs) 13:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone feel up to a write up about the Micheal Jackson video? 

message: This article still perpetuates the notion that there is a single Crip gang that is made up of hundreds of sets. In reality, there are several distinct Crip gangs (many with sub-sets or clicks) that make up a very loose federation of Crips. The same can be said of Blood gangs. There is no "The Crips," and "The Bloods." There are however, several gangs that claim Crip, and several gangs that claim Blood24.181.225.253 (talk) 04:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can back up your statement with reliable sources, then please feel free to cite those sources and change the tone of this article. Plus, please put new topics at the bottom of talk pages. Thank you for your input. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 06:22, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Crips" 

message: I always wondered, do crips eat at Burger King? It would be great if someone cleared that up. --OOODDD (talk) 01:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they prefer Taco Bell instead. --Officer Boscorelli (talk) 11:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burger King 

message: One part of the article says they started in 1971, and another part says 1969.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.103.173.3 (talk) 07:34, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year formed? 

message: In the article they say they changed cribs to crips because they were walking with cane!?
It's Crips because they cannot use the letter "B"... because of Bloods
In fact, they always change the "B" for a "P" because its a "b" upside down ( p)
( "b" upside down means a dead blood)
*Ok, just provide a reliable source for that. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Except the name "Crip" existed before the Bloods. JManHobbs (talk) 23:47, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cribs to Crips 

message: Why is it that the Crips numbers are only 30,000 here but many accounts say they are the largest black gang in America found in nearly or in every state and is much bigger then Vice Lords and among others. So shouldn't there numbers be like 65'000 specially since Crips in America alone outnumber Bloods 3-4 to 1 and their numbers are est 20-25'000 so shouldn't about 60-65'000 be the real number  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.173.73 (talk) 07:05, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers est in every state in all about 65'000 full member 

message: Hey you guys shouldn't both Crips and Bloods be labeled as worldwide because they have known sets in Africa(mainly southwest), Britain and France, Australia, the Caribbean islands, New Zealand(mainly Maori area), Samoa and other islands and both gangs are known to widely recruit such nationalities(see Crips in Alaska). So I think with so many of them located in other countries though for the most part relatively small minus the Caribbeans and certain african countries mainly in South Africa who are allied with the Numbers gang should be labelled as worldwide  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.173.73 (talk) 07:41, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Maori Crips? My balls ache! --Officer Boscorelli (talk) 11:31, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *To answer the original question....."you guys" shouldn't do anything. If you have reliable sources showing it, provide them. Of course do we really consider some guys in New Zealand who watched Colors and a bunch of youtube videos and then decided to call themselves "crips" to be actual crip sets? Niteshift36 (talk) 11:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crips and Bloods have known sets in other countries 

message: Obviously this particular group of gangs has been widely publicized, but the article doesn't touch on how this happened.  I just saw a comic reference to a group of Crips robbing a "potsickle vendor" (about 45 minutes into the film) in Darktown Strutters (1975).  I've also seen the claim that Colors (film) was blamed for pushing the gang colors and wars into a national phenomenon.  I'd assume a lot of this was just that whatever was closest to Hollywood got into the movies, but it'd be interesting to see such a section properly documented. Wnt (talk) 06:55, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portrayal in film 

message: I don't know about outside California but Crips aren't full on enemies with Surs with the few known beefs with Surs are Venice 13, Florencia 13 and CVLS 13. Both gangs actually get along for the most part because both gangs hate Bloods. So I vote Sureneos are either takin off as enemies or "(few sets)" placed beside it--76.94.173.73 (talk) 18:36, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crips and Sureneos aren't enemies 

message: what does this line mean?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.37.100.203 (talk) 17:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *You are correct. Done. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Danger! High voltage! 04:53, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

text: *Purge? Oh wait, I forgot about your affinity for hyperbole. So what is the "distinctive" Crip uniform? What is the uniform that we will see Crips across the country wearing? Or is it merely the color blue, which is not exclusive to them anyway. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:24, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: *Apparently, this is a Crip  (note the blue bandanna "uniform").....ok, so that was some levity (and eye candy), but the point it still there. Here is a picture from a Crip gathering . What is uniform there? Only the color blue and even that is barely there for some of the guys. Same here  or here . Especially the 2 guys in the last link......there is really not much there that identifies them as a Crip, especially in the clothing. The only common thing here is blue and blue doesn't belong solely to the Crips, so calling it distinctive is a tough sell. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:51, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

text: *Actually, start reading on page 43. They tell a different story from the attempt to make criminals look like political reformers (ie the community relations acronym). Niteshift36 (talk) 12:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

text: *Might want to look again. It specifies Garfield County, CO; Pueblo, CO; Lackawanna County, PA and Oklahoma City. We're making too big of a deal over the word "allied". Nobody is claiing some big national treaty here. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

text: *You might want to read our policies on WP:Verifying entries using reliable sources. What you've done here is to give us your personal opinions/experience, known on Wikipedia as original research. None of what you said is usable in the article. That said, there were no sources specifically on the Sureno or Norteno entries so I removed them. If someone finds a source and returns them, they'll likely be kept.Niteshift36 (talk) 12:56, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

text: The article is protected to block unsourced additions. Do you have a reliable source for your claim? - SummerPhD (talk) 17:30, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *Do you mean Crips?Niteshift36 (talk) 20:24, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

text: *Why did you even propose this split if you were going to split the article anyway, less than an hour after soliciting the discussion? I've nominated the Meeks article for deletion. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

text: Thanks! Kap 7 (talk) 02:06, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

text: *Raya is different. Whereas the trafficking in this case was heinous and got local coverage, the coverage was contained mostly to the region it occurred in. It was news, but most newsworthy events aren't actually that notable. Raya however got national coverage. He was a Iraq war veteran, used an "assault rifle", killed a cop, wounded another and got into a shootout with SWAT. On top of it all, much of it was caught on video and the story was heavily covered by national media. I'll also say that it had an impact on law enforcement in terms of tactics and helped spur them to start looking into the military-gang connection more. Bith events were newsworthy, Raya became notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:27, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *Addendum: The number of people, in and of itself, isn't really a big factor. If 5 Crips kill a Blood on a street corner in Compton, that's not terribly notable. But if one lone guy, like Mark David Chapman, kills a John Lennon, it's darn sure notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:30, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

text: Done You're right, two of the sentences are almost identical. Stickee (talk) 22:50, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. EvergreenFir (talk) Please  19:24, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Washington was murdered August 9, 1979 and Williams was executed December 13, 2005.

message: The Surenos hate the Crips everywhere.The Crips are very close allies with the Nortenos.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sculcrusha (talk • contribs) 18:27, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crips Allies and Rivals 

message: Towards the end of the article the phrase ""Crab" is the most disrespectful epitaph to call a Crip, and can warrant fatal retaliation." is used. The word "epitaph" is completely wrong in the context, seems to me the original author meant "epithet". Can't change it myself due to semi-protection. JManHobbs (talk) 23:48, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *You are correct. Done. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Change needed

message: The article states Initially Crips leaders did not occupy leadership positions, but were recognized as leaders because of their personal charisma and influence. So if they didn't occupy leadership positions how under God can they be called leaders? Surely by definition occupying a leadership position is what makes somebody a leader. I would have changed this myself but I don't get the meaning of the sentence at all so could somebody who does get what is being infered edit this to make some sense please. Keresaspa (talk) 02:43, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaders? 

message: Tookie Williams stated that the gang was not formed in 1969:
"In 1971, I met Raymond Lee Washington (may he rest in peace) and we ultimately decided to unite our homeboys from the west and east sides of South Central to combat neighboring street gangs. (An erroneous grapevine suggests that the Crips formed in 1969, or even as early as the 1950s.)" []
What did happen in 1969, was that Raymond Washington formed one of the two gangs that merged to become the Crips, the Baby Avenues street gang, which became the Avenue Cribs.   ]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.46.70.19 (talk) 21:18, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date Correction 

message: abs are not crips and crips don't like them who the hell keeps putting that up  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.173.73 (talk) 16:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  asian boyz 

message: yO Homie i Want to add the sets to crips
Kellyparkgreenleaf (talk) 04:46, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Danger! High voltage! 04:53, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 16 July 2012 

message: Not a surprise, we have another purge by Niteshift36. 
The definition of Uniform should be self explanatory. However, there is a dispute that a specific color preference of clothing to show an affiliation with a specific organization does not include the color Blue with Crips I disagree, and believe it is in fact uniformity, and was intended as such. 
Twillisjr (talk) 18:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: *Purge? Oh wait, I forgot about your affinity for hyperbole. So what is the "distinctive" Crip uniform? What is the uniform that we will see Crips across the country wearing? Or is it merely the color blue, which is not exclusive to them anyway. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:24, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: *Apparently, this is a Crip  (note the blue bandanna "uniform").....ok, so that was some levity (and eye candy), but the point it still there. Here is a picture from a Crip gathering . What is uniform there? Only the color blue and even that is barely there for some of the guys. Same here  or here . Especially the 2 guys in the last link......there is really not much there that identifies them as a Crip, especially in the clothing. The only common thing here is blue and blue doesn't belong solely to the Crips, so calling it distinctive is a tough sell. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:51, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uniform 

message: The history section is linked to an article that doesn't exist. According to the Encyclopedia of Gangs, Crips stands for Community Relations for an Independent People..  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memphisdude (talk • contribs) 03:48, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *Actually, start reading on page 43. They tell a different story from the attempt to make criminals look like political reformers (ie the community relations acronym). Niteshift36 (talk) 12:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: An editor removed a statement that the Crips are "allied" with Juggalos from the infobox, and another editor restored it. After examining the cited source, it seems that the source indicates that Juggalos are aligned with Crips in one county in Colorado. Per WP:UNDUE, I don't think that such a narrow association deserves a spot in the infobox, because it gives the false impression of a wider alliance.  The association may merit mention in the article text, where it can be fully explained, but not in the infobox. I plan to remove the statement from the infobox unless there's objection here. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 18:15, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *Might want to look again. It specifies Garfield County, CO; Pueblo, CO; Lackawanna County, PA and Oklahoma City. We're making too big of a deal over the word "allied". Nobody is claiing some big national treaty here. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juggalo allies 

message: Crips and Surenos are not allies! In fact, they are very violent enemies! Just because they claim the same color does not automatically make them allies!! Surenos, aka Sur 13, are street Soldiers for The Mexican Mafia (La Eme) Prison Gang. La Eme are allies with The Aryan Brotherhood and for a very long time have put out an order to Sureno street gang members to cleanse their streets of not only African American street gang members, but African Americans in general. As far as the claim that Nortenos and Crips are enemies. That is also FALSE! Nortenos are street soldiers for La Nuestra Familia Prison Gang, aka NF, who are the direct enemies of The Mexican Mafia, as well as Surenos. The NF has an alliance with The Black Guerilla Family, BGF, due to both having common enemies in La Eme and The Aryan Brotherhood. Nortenos claim the color red but show respect to all who return the respect. Growing up in Central and Northern California, I would see first hand the Crips and Nortenos hanging out and joining forces to battle Surenos. California Youth Authority, CYA, is full of C-14 gang members. (not to be confused with C-14st Clanton, an LA Sureno Gang)This coalition of Crips and Nortenos and the unification of "C" and "14" shows that there is not any bad blood between both gangs. If anything, if there is beef between the two gangs, it is usually on a case by case basis, as with everything else. But for general purposes, The Crips and Nortenos are NOT enemies!! The Crips and Surenos are NOT allies!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.101.37.2 (talk) 11:09, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *You might want to read our policies on WP:Verifying entries using reliable sources. What you've done here is to give us your personal opinions/experience, known on Wikipedia as original research. None of what you said is usable in the article. That said, there were no sources specifically on the Sureno or Norteno entries so I removed them. If someone finds a source and returns them, they'll likely be kept.Niteshift36 (talk) 12:56, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Crips and Surenos False Alliance Claim

message: Since quite some time Bloods and Cribs don't have such a strong feud anymore. They can even be seen hanging around together. Influencing characters show support.
I would add it to the article but I am not allowed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:56:C927:4501:40C9:ABE7:F3AD:E78C (talk) 15:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is protected to block unsourced additions. Do you have a reliable source for your claim? - SummerPhD (talk) 17:30, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *Do you mean Crips?Niteshift36 (talk) 20:24, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bloods and cribs are no big enemies 

message: Support split - Jeremy Meeks has been well publicized and should have his own article.  Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:13, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *Why did you even propose this split if you were going to split the article anyway, less than an hour after soliciting the discussion? I've nominated the Meeks article for deletion. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: i would like to say something about the crips and bloods. some younger members moving into Albrithgsville, pa, and were fighting and killing each other in the local school, Penn Kidder Campus. unfortunately, i have no sources, except the principle and the superintendent, and a teacher that talks about these things. what can i do about this, like adding this piece the the article? Y0shimari0 (talk) 00:30, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knowledge 

message: Scott is mispelled Scoott in a passage
173.70.160.182 (talk) 01:14, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Kap 7 (talk) 02:06, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2015 

message: , Hello! Well as you can see I mostly edit gang articles. I have edit and added content on the Sureños, 18 street, Aryan Brotherhood, Norteños, Gangster Disciples, Wah Ching, White power Skinheads, and etc. I know that you saw my edit on the Norteños article. I added the Raya shooting. Raya is one guy, and I heard that the Norteños gang membership is around 2,000. You agreed with my edit the Norteños, and you even reworded the content that I added there, but for the Crips who had 5 guys involved; (vs. 1 guy for the  Norteños) you disagree? I think it should be added on the article because it was news and it's a notable case. It is part of their criminal history. Could justify your revert, and comment here on why it shouldn't be added on the article.  ----BlueRedPurpleGreen (talk) 06:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *Raya is different. Whereas the trafficking in this case was heinous and got local coverage, the coverage was contained mostly to the region it occurred in. It was news, but most newsworthy events aren't actually that notable. Raya however got national coverage. He was a Iraq war veteran, used an "assault rifle", killed a cop, wounded another and got into a shootout with SWAT. On top of it all, much of it was caught on video and the story was heavily covered by national media. I'll also say that it had an impact on law enforcement in terms of tactics and helped spur them to start looking into the military-gang connection more. Bith events were newsworthy, Raya became notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:27, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *Addendum: The number of people, in and of itself, isn't really a big factor. If 5 Crips kill a Blood on a street corner in Compton, that's not terribly notable. But if one lone guy, like Mark David Chapman, kills a John Lennon, it's darn sure notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:30, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: New content

message: The following text (in the 2nd paragraph under History) is repetitive (going so far as to repeat the exact same phrases):
The growth and power of the gang really took off in the early 1980s when crack cocaine hit the streets. The huge profits from distribution of crack cocaine induced many Crips to establish new markets in other cities and states. As a result, Crip membership grew steadily and by late 1980s it was the one of the largest street-gangs in the country.https://books.google.co.in/books?id=U3LiWVoCoNoC&pg=PA51&dq=crips+1978&hl=en&sa=X&ei=V3qaVLSFJpGPuATKrIHgCQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=crips%201978&f=falsehttps://books.google.co.in/books?id=Mk7A7bdaELsC&pg=PA153&dq=bloods+1972&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CIiaVOtj0LC4BLmsgPgF&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAg#v=snippet&q=bloods&f=false In the early 1980s Crips sets began distributing crack cocaine in Los Angeles. The huge profits resulting from crack cocaine distribution induced many Crips members to establish new markets in other cities and states. In addition, many young men in other states adopted the Crips name and lifestyle. As a result of these two factors, Crips membership increased throughout the 1980s, making it one of the largest street gang associations in the country. In 1999, there were at least 600 Crips sets with more than 30,000 members transporting drugs in the United States.
Suggested tightened up version:
The growth and power of the gang really took off in the early 1980s when crack cocaine hit the streets. In the early 1980s Crips sets began distributing crack cocaine in Los Angeles. The huge profits from distribution of crack cocaine induced many Crips to establish new markets in other cities and states. As a result, Crip membership grew steadily and by late 1980s it was the one of the largest street-gangs in the country.https://books.google.co.in/books?id=U3LiWVoCoNoC&pg=PA51&dq=crips+1978&hl=en&sa=X&ei=V3qaVLSFJpGPuATKrIHgCQ&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=crips%201978&f=falsehttps://books.google.co.in/books?id=Mk7A7bdaELsC&pg=PA153&dq=bloods+1972&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CIiaVOtj0LC4BLmsgPgF&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAg#v=snippet&q=bloods&f=false In 1999, there were at least 600 Crips sets with more than 30,000 members transporting drugs in the United States.
Ridingincar (talk) 20:49, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done You're right, two of the sentences are almost identical. Stickee (talk) 22:50, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2015 

message: The letters "CK", which stand for "Crip killer", will be avoided and substituted with a double "cc", and the letter "b" will be replaced with a "c". The words "kick back" will instead be written as "kicc cacc".
JaccsAndJokers (talk) 19:12, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. EvergreenFir (talk) Please  19:24, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2016