Talk:Amin al-Husseini/Archive 1

message: I deleted this:
:Husayni, before World War II repeatedly, advocated the massacre of all Jews in Palestine and later the extermination of all Jews.
This is a maximalist anti-Husayni position that cannot be supported by any direct evidence. The first part is pure invention on the part of OneVoice, since it is not even claimed in the source he gives.  The second part is claimed without evidence in that source, and the place it comes from (Encyclopedia of the Holocaust) gives no evidence either.  Finally it comes from a book of Maurice Pearlman (writing under the name of Waters) that features a drawing of al-Husayni on the cover with sharpened nails dripping with blood. Just the place to find carefully researched historical facts (NOT).  Many pro-Zioinist writers have attempted to establish al-Husayni held these views but the best they have come up with (except for some outright lies) is inuendo and claims about what some more innocuous statements really meant.On the other hand there is no doubt at all that al-Husayni contributed to the Holocaust.  He did this by campaigning to stop the Nazis from sending groups of Jews to Palestine, which in a few cases cost them their lives.  I will add details of one or two such cases when I get to that part of the article. --Zero 12:26, 30 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Zero0000, millions of non-Jews were killed in Holocaust.  That the Muslim Nazi units were not able to kill more Jews is due to that work having been done by others already.  They did their part in targeting Greek Orthodox and other groups. The Holocaust is not only Jews.  Jews were 6,000,000 of 11,000,000 dead. OneVoice 04:09, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why I deleted what you wrote.  Actually the atrocities attributed to the Handschar were against Christian villages. --Zero 04:45, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: Zero0000, the article is about Husseini, not about Jews.  His creation of units of Muslims that slaughtered Christians, his visits to the units demonstrates the individual's considerations.  Perhaps you are too focused on Jews...there are a lot of other people out there...they have suffered horrible atrocities at the behest of this man as well. OneVoice 05:00, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Husayni advocated extermination of Jews before WW2 

message: After anti-Zionist riots in 1920, in which 5 Jews were killed
I think it is misleading to call a pogrom of old Yishuv "anti-Zionist riots". If you really strive to define fine lines here, I'm sure you know some of those inhabitants of Jewish Quarter were not Zionist. Humus sapiens 04:00, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: They were anti-Zionist riots.  The proximate cause was the announcement by the British administrator of the intention to implement the Balfour Declaration. Al-Husayni's contribution was to make a speech calling for union with Syria (I'll mention that later in connection with his nationalist politics.)  Of course the rioters did not stop to question everyone they attacked as to whether they were Zionists or not; that's the nature of riots and doesn't change the basic facts. --Zero 04:45, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dejavu: anti-Zionism vs. anti-Semitism. The "wrong" Jews were attacked. Why not simply call it what it was: a Jewish pogrom? BTW, I agree with you on the nature of mob violence. Humus sapiens 05:18, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text:  The reason for not calling it a "pogrom" is that that word implies that the violence was pre-planned rather than spontaneous.  It is at least arguable whether the word should be used for the case of a demonstration that turned violent and then murderous. Of course some people claim this one was pre-planned but that is certainly not the unanimous opinion and such an argument belongs on the page devoted to the incident rather than here. As for what sparked it in the first place, I think it is thoroughly established that was a response to the (real or imagined) intentions of the Zionists. --Zero 06:55, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hope you won't object to the way I changed this phrase. Humus sapiens 07:15, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: There is no hard evidence that Wisliceny ever gave such testimony, nor evidence that it was reported correctly if it was in fact made.  But that is not the real issue.  The real issue is that it is completely stupid and can't be taken seriously. Find a mainstream holocaust historian who agrees that the Nazis needed al-Husayni to help them decide whether to kill Jews. --Zero 06:59, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: If you want to write about the unit strengths and other fine details, go to Waffen-SS or somewhere else in Wikipedia and write it.  For this page it is barely relevant.  You obviously don't know anything about it anyway. --Zero 06:43, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: I tried to work on this article once and read three full-length biographies and most of the academic literature on the subject in preparation.  All this was a waste of time because the fanatics like you came along and destroyed the article again.  Now I am not going to edit it at all (for the stated reason) except to ensure that the well-deserved tag at the top is maintained.  Deleting that tag is a severe violation of Wikipedia procedures that will not be tolerated. Btw, it's still wrong about the Bosnian Jews. --Zero 11:53, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

text: Bosnian Jews are not even mentioned in that paragraph.  In fact, except for a small number fighting with the partisans, essentially all the Bosnian Jews were already killed or in camps before the Hanschar division was mobilised.  Now, like I promised, you are getting blocked for removing the tag again.  Let me make it clear that it is not because of the nonsense you wrote in the article, it is because you are not willing to play by the rules.  This article is in dispute so it gets a dispute tag; get used to it. --Zero 22:48, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  The pogrom of old Yishuv is anti-Zionist riots?? 

message: I read some where that Hussain (sp?) had red hair and that this helped him to gain "friends" among Nazis. 
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: I have also read that Hitler's comment on his hair and eye color was that Husayni must be an Aryan. Sidenote: please sign your messages with 4 tildas, like this: ~~~~ and better yet, register. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 08:19, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  where should it go? 

message: from the history: 
cur) (last)  13:04, 26 Mar 2005 82.38.209.239 (unecessary POV bias: (in German: Grossmufti), - removed. 
"during his collaboration with the Third Reich removed and replaced with a less POV bias  of the nature of the award of the title of Mufti (which he had inherited from his late-father). 
The article on Husseini is far from accurate, and appears to have a POV bias running most of the way through it. A few suggestions for immediate revision are below, but there are far more suggestions than I have mentioned here, but have no wish to overwhelm contributors with all suggestions at first. (Little by little, and always in the open, would seem to be the best way forward).
May I suggest that a separate section be added to talk about Husseini's Mufti status, where it could be stated more in depth that Husseini inherited the title upon the death of his father, and that it was Samuel who later awarded the title of 'Grand Mufti' to him, after granting clemency to both Husseini and Jabotinsky for their roles in the Arab Riots in Jerusalem of 1921.
Upon reading the current article, it is clearly obvious to me that there is a POV bias, and that certain 'key elements' of Husseini's have been 'conveniently' left out.
These ommissions bring the article's neutrality into dispute.
There is simply NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION given regarding Husseini's leading role in the Arab Riots in Jerusalem of 1920, and again, a POV bias seems self-evident. 
To solve this problem, I suggest that an extra section be added to this article. 
Another 'problem' arises through the current wiki-link to these riots which presents another POV bias, in that they describe the riots as a 'pogram'. 
In reality, 6 Jews were killed and some 200 injured (some souces say 5 killed and 211 injured). It is unknown how many of those killed were the existing Jewish inhabitants of Jerusalem, and how many were Jabotinsky's self-defence force), and it is also currentlu unverifiable that Arabs had wind of the Jabotinsky's preparations for this riot. 
To describe these riots as a pogram is wholly misleading to the reader. 
Quick Summary of initial concerns upon reading the Husseini Wiki-article:
+ Add a section on Husseini's inheritance of the title of Mufti of Jerusalem with some family history to be included, plus Samuels' intervention, clemency for the 1920 Jerusalem Riots, and the creation of the title 'Grand Mufti'.
+ Add a section on the Jerusalem Riot of 1920, clearly citing the preparations from both Arab and Jewish sides for the riots. 
? Consider re-writing of the link to the Jerusalem Riots of 1920, which are currently described from a POV bias as a Jewish pogram - clearly not the case considering there was preparation before the riots from Jabotinsky's self-defence 'army', and knowledge that rumours had been circulating of a Jewish attack amongst the Arabs in Jerusalem prior to that Jerusalem Riot of 1920. 
The one-sided-ness of telling that tale, does both Jew and Arab a diservice here, and contributes to the general feeling that the Arab perspective worthless. 
Some form of balance needs to be addressed. 
But how can one ensure that either both POV are presented at once, or each separate POV is represented ? 
Would it be an 'impossible task' to divide each incident relating to Palestine/Israel into two separate and clearly marked viewpoints, in order to allow the reader to make up their own mind regarding the numerous POV bias in wikipedia regarding Palestine/Israel or Israel/Palestine conflict ? 
! All sensible suggestions gratefully received.
regards,
invisibleplanet
:Well, the following "quote" still needs significant help:
::In June 1944, Dieter Wisliceny, Eichmann's deputy for Slovakia and Hungary, told Dr. Rudolf Kasztner in Budapest that he was convinced that the Mufti had played a role in the decision to exterminate the European Jews... The importance of this role must not be disregarded... The Mufti had repeatedly suggested to the various authorities with whom he was maintaining contact, above all to Hitler, Ribbentrop and Himmler, the extermination of European Jewry. He considered this as a comfortable solution of the Palestinian problem.
:The main problem is that we don't know what's quoted here nor where it came from (and yes, I read through the argument above about this same paragraph). IMHO, this stuff needs a source. - KarlHallowell 06:11, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent revision of initial summary. 

message: The British plans to assassinate the Mufti are documented in the book of Mattar, who quotes at length from Foreign Office documents.  In order to change this description, we need an equally solid source.  --Zero 01:46, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Mattar's version does not jibe with the Irgun's, as noted in the Mideast Web's discussiion, which says that the capture of the Mufti was proposed first by Raziel.  Lapidot's account on the Irgun's website says that the British came to Yitzhak Berman in 1941 and released Raziel to blow up oilfields, not assasinate the Mufti.  According to  former Irugnist, Prof. Yaere Yadede Raziel “had volunteered to help the British in putting out of commission the Kirkuk oil fields and capturing the Mufti, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who had found refuge under the Iraqi Nazi collaborator's protection.”  I haven't read Matter, so I leave it to you to judge credibility.  Also, what is the connection between the offer by Vaad Leumi and the recruitment of the Irgun?  I did not think that the Irgun was an active part, or under control of, Vaad Leumi or any other major Yishuv organization. --Goodoldpolonius2 14:55, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article does not make a connection between the Vaad Leumi and the Irgun, and there wasn't any of a nature relevant to this article, as far as I know.  On the Vaad Leumi, the mentioned leader was Pinhas Rutenburg.  His proposal to the British is also reported in Joseph Nevo, Al-Hajj Amin and the British in World War II (Middle East Studies, Vol 2, 1984, 3-16).  The British discussed it amongst themselves and decided it was a bad idea, but they thought Rutenburg might organize it without their help as he had a background which suggested he could.  Their files cite an intelligence report that Rutenburg had been an assassin in Russia before he went to Palestine and had once killed a priest with his bare hands.  ((Intelligence reports are wonderful sources of good stories but their accuracy average is low.  By nature they contain all sorts of gossip and rumor as well as hard facts.  So I have no idea if this story about Rutenburg is really true.))  --Zero 11:17, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

text:  The Irgun version of the Iraq mission is now included as much as one sentence allows.  This version is from Katz, Days of Fire (Katz was a close associate of Raziel).  The version on the Etzel web page is more or less the same except they don't mention the Mufti for some reason.  I think there is more in a biography of Raziel by Levine, but my copy has gone missing.  Btw, Raziel was no longer Irgun leader.  As soon as he was imprisoned, Hanoch Kalai was elected supreme commander like it says here. --Zero 12:37, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks, I hadn't heard of the Vaad Leumi offer. --Goodoldpolonius2 14:12, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assassinations 

message: I deleted this: "In Septemper, 1937, Heydrich sent two SS officers, SS Hauptscharfuehrer Adolf Eichmann and SS Oberscharfuehrer Herbert Hagen to Palestine on a mission to get "acquainted with the country and the life and to establish contact with people", one of whom was the Grand Mufti." for the following reasons: (1) No meeting took place and no contact was made; (2) There is no evidence that Husayni even knew about Eichmann's visit; (3) al-Husayni never had significant dealings with Eichmann; (4) Eichmann was mainly concerned with meeting Zionists during his visit (and did meet some).  I also deleted the mini-bio of Heydrich as he is not mentioned anywhere else in the article. --Zero 13:05, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eichmann 

message: I inserted some quotations from al-Husayni's meeting with Hitler from the official transcript, which was prepared by the translator Paul Schmidt. Hitler spoke German and al-Husayni spoke French, but the transcript is all in German and can be found at Akten zur D. Aus. Pol. 1918-1945, Ser. D, XIII/2.  This English translation is from Fleming, Hitler and the Final Solution, 101-104.  There is some dispute about what a reasonable person might have interpretted from the three words I gave in the original; the difficulty is that this was very early for Hitler to be revealing genocidal plans to an outsider, even before most senior Nazis were informed of them. --Zero 14:28, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meeting with Hitler 

message: The article has the sentence "After meeting Hitler and Ribbentrop in Berlin, the Mufti was made an SS Gruppenführer by Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler."  Can anyone provide a decent citation for this?  I only see it on the web in mirrors and translations of Wikipedia.  This claim was added by now-banned user OneVoice.  It is not impossible that he has some sort of honorary rank, but Gruppenführer is a very high rank. --Zero 14:16, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  His SS rank 

message: right
Why is there a faint line going down the middle of this picture? And then the part of the couch on Hitler's side is darkened.  Is this a doctored photo? --AI 06:20, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The meeting certainly took place.  It is documented in the German archives and in the Mufti's own diary.  As for the photo, I don't know where it is originally from.  It is quite famous though.  Maybe some book gives a source for it.  --Zero 10:59, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the "line" is just from furniture in the background. --AI 20:45, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Image talk:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg<!-- Image removed: AlHusayniHitler.jpg -->#Authentic Photo?]] 

message: If not this is merely a quote from a non-notable historian.  You appear to be arguing that as soon as a peer-reviewed quote is added to wikipedia it cannot be justifiably deleted.  This is strange.  I'm sure you realise the ad absurdum implications here.  I have in front of me a peer-reviewed book that claims that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz - can I quote from this book at will and without any support for the quote?  Certainly not, as you are well aware. 
*As a fellow professor of Psychology in the UK I am sure you will understand wiki policy.  You must also understand that something being peer-reviewed has no impact on whether or not it is POV - it just means that it can be included without violating WP:NOR.  This quote is totally unsatisfactory as it is simply an assertion from a non-notable revisionist historian.  If you notice, all the other items that delineate his collaboration are "things that happened" and not "things that people said about what people said about things that happened".  
*Since you obviously have access to this book, I suggest that you should find evidence for the claim that you are trying to make and put that in the article if it is sound and verifiable.  To put it simply profesor, you are looking to find verifiable "things that happened".
*This would need to show how the Jews exaggerated his Nazi-links and where and when they did so.  Incredibly, this quote merely asserts why they did it! And why did they do it? To gain political clout by abusing the memory of the holocaust to gain sympathy.  
This is what you have repeatedly added to the article:
::Following the the war (and most notably during and after the trial of Adolf Eichmann) the mufti's role and the extent of his influence with the Nazis were inflated in what historian Idith Zertal describes as "a landmark in the process of the organized, explicit mobilization of the Holocaust in the service of Israeli politics and state policy, especially in the context of the Arab-Israeli conflict".
(This is really a sickening quote.  If this represents your own personal views I am really appalled by the way.)  The first part is not sourced and is not NPOV either. If you note sir, the line "the mufti's role and the extent of his influence with the Nazis were inflated" is taken as a factual premise.  The quote itself is predicated on another premise to the extent that there was an organised campaign amongst Jews to "explicitly mobilize the Holocaust in the service of Israeli politics and state policy".  The second quote is simply the commentary of a lone historian which is unverified and is of no direct relevance to the Mufti at all but is just a general restatement of the accusation that the jews manipulate the memory of the holocaust to further there own malign aims.  Why would you even add that to this article?
*That's why this commentary is unacceptable:  It is predicated on three unverified premises:
**a) The Mufti's Nazi-ties were exaggerated after the war.
**b) This was done by Jews/Zionists to further their malign aims, by gaining sympathy.
**c) There is a campaign to "explicitly mobilize the Holocaust in the service of Israeli politics and state policy."
*These premises need to be verified before you can simply add this quote and then falsely claim that any sourced peer-reviewed quotation can not be deleted and needs no verification of the claims that it makes.  WP:V does not mean that as long as you can verify that a claim was made you can put the claim into wikkipedia - a fortiori treated as fact allong with its underlying premises.  jucifer 23:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: You must give verifiable evidence that this happened

message: Dear Jucifer, I placed the comments below on your talk page yesterday as I didn't notice that the conversation had moved on here. I agree with you completely that the section is unsatisfactory without a summary of the evidence she finds persuasive; this got lost in a move from two other pages. However, your personal comments are unneccessary and unhelpful. Zertal has said nothing about what "Jews" have said or done in general. She writes about the actions of the state in the Eichmann trial and the statements of particular, high profile, politicians during and after it. To challenge Zertal's status as a scholar you will need to cite someone in the field. Wikipedia can't accept the assessments of anonymous contributors. 
Regarding Jucifer's summary:
*I pointed out to him that this is predicated on three unverified premises:
**a) The Mufti's Nazi-ties were exaggerated after the war.
**b) This was done by Jews/Zionists to further their malign aims, by gaining sympathy.
**c) There is a campaign to "explicitly mobilize the Holocaust in the service of Israeli politics and state policy."
*I put it to him that before he can add such a POV quote to the article he must provide the writers answers to how, where and when this was done and not just the why (to gain sympathy by abusing the memory of the holocaust).
Some (not particularly detailed but hopefully sufficient) comments:
a). According to Zertal during the Eichamnn trial there were "systematic references - in the press, on the radio, and in political speeches - to the former Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin El-Husseini, his connections with the Nazi regime in general and with Eichmann and his office in particular. In those references he was depicted as a prominent designer of the Final Solution and a major Nazi criminal. The deeds of Eichmann - and other Nazi criminals - were rarely mentioned without the Arab-Nazi dimension". (p. 100). Zertal presents examples from Davar, Yedioth Aharonoth, Ma'ariv and speeches by Ben-Gurion to Mapai activists during the trial. She points out that after the trial the Yad Vashem Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (Hebrew Edition)  included an entry for the Mufti almost as long as that for Hitler and that later Netanyahu explicitly linked the Mufti to the Holocaust saying he was "one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry... collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of the plan" (p. 175). There is no historical evidence for Netanyahu's claim. As Arendt said in Eichmann in Jerusalem: "The trial revealed only that all rumors about Eichmann's connection with Haj Amin El Husseini, the former Mufti of Jerusalem, were unfounded". (Arendt, 1994, p. 13).
b). This is nothing to do with Jews/Zionists or with "sympathy": Zertal is talking about the manipulation of the Eichmann trial by the State in the service of political aims in the Arab-Israeli conflict.
c). That's right. The Netanyahu book (A Place Among the Nations) characterizing Palestinian nationalism from the 1920s onwards as National Socialist and anti-Semitic was published in 1993, when he was party leader, though it was probably written whilst he was deputy prime minister. Netanyahu goes on to describe the UN (becasue of what he sees as unjustified pro-Palestinian leanings) as a proto-Nazi organization with racist achievements exceeding those of the Inquisiton and the Holocaust. Zertal also provides evidence from speeches by Dayan and Ben Gurion to support her claim.
Will you agree to this material being added to the article with accompanying evidence as outlined above? --Ian Pitchford 23:12, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be best if this article avoid issues which are not related fairly directly to the Mufti, so general commentary related to Israeli use of the Holocaust should be minimised.  However, the political nature of the Mufti's cameo appearance in the Eichmann trial does deserve inclusion.  Recall that the Mufti was not on trial and not represented.  None of the material related to the Mufti introduced at the trial had any relevance to establishing the guilt of Eichmann.  Rather, it was purely a case of the Israeli government taking the opportunity to teach the world that Israel's present enemies (i.e. Arabs) were the same as the Jews' old enemies (i.e. Nazis).  A few relevant lines from Yablonka, Preparing the Eichmann Trial, Who really did the Job? in "Theoretical Inquiries in Law", Vol 1, No. 2: "there is an abundance of documented accounts of various forms of active intervention in the conduct of the trial by the different levels of the political sphere...The Foreign Minister [Golda Meir] was particularly eager to emphasise the activities during the War of the Mufti of Jerusalem". --Zero 09:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this proposal. I'm sure there are other articles that could host the remaining material, if appropriate. --Ian Pitchford 13:17, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Zertal

message: From the mufti's diaries(1970, Falatin, Beruit), as translated and quoted by arabist Zvi Elpeleg:
::There were other serious occurrences during the war, such as the attempt by world Jewry in 1944 to bring about the immigration of Eastern European Jewry to Palestine... I objected to this attempt, and wrote to Ribbentrop, to Himmler and to Hitler... until I succeeded in frustrating the attempt.
::"Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: The Jews are yours." 
::Here is a note on the memiors: The Mufti's appeals to all the countries mentioned, but for Turkey, were known from documents, and in large part published, not long after World War II. It appears that Husseini himself was the first to make known his appeal to the Turkish government not to permit the passage of escaping Jews through Turkish territory. This revelation came in his own memoirs issued in Arabic in 1970 in Falastin (Beirut, July 1970), pp. 4ff. These memoirs included other documents relating to his efforts to prevent Jewish escape which had been previously published. See Bernard Lewis, Semites and Anti-Semites, New York, 1986; p. 268 n19. The major post-World War II collection of relevant documents was The Arab Higher Committee: Its Origin, Personnel, and Purposes. The Documentary Record. New York: The Nation Associates, 1947. This collection will be henceforth referred to as Arab Higher Committee.
Radio broadcast The Mufti of Jerusalem by Maurice Pearlman (1947), also in The Mufti and the Fuehrer by Joseph Schachtman:  I declare a holy war, my muslim brothers! Murder the Jews! Murder them all!
Nuremberg Trials in July 1946, Wisliceny (war criminal) testified:
::"The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz." 
Evidence introduced at the Eichmann trial in Jerusalem indicates however that the Mufti and Eichmann were close:
::"State Attorney Bach: This is our document No. 281. Mr. Steiner first tells us that Wisliceny described his talks with Eichmann, why Palestine cannot be considered as the destination for emigration: "When I asked him why, he laughed and asked whether I had never heard of the Grand Mufti Husseini. He explained that the Mufti has very close contact and cooperation with Eichmann, and therefore Germany cannot agree to Palestine being the final destination, as this would be a blow to Germany's prestige in the Mufti's eyes." 
::Then he goes on: "At this further conversation Wisliceny gave me more details about the cooperation between Eichmann and the Mufti. The Mufti is a sworn enemy of the Jews and has always fought for the idea of annihilating the Jews. He sticks to this idea always, also in his talks with Eichmann" - and here we have one of the points about which Wisliceny has reservations - "who, as you know, is a German who was born in Palestine. The Mufti is one of the originators of the systematic destruction of European Jewry by the Germans, and he has become a permanent colleague, partner and adviser to Eichmann and Himmler in the implementation of this programme." Here Wisliceny adds: "I have read these descriptions and find them correct, except for this, that Eichmann was born in Palestine, and that the Mufti was a permanent partner of Himmler's; this is not what I said." Presiding Judge: This will be marked T/1117." 
From  F.W. Brecher, "Charles R. Crane's Crusade for the Arabs, 1919-39," Middle Eastern Studies, XXIV, January 1988; pp 46-47. Also see Elliott A Green, "The Curious Careers of Two Advocates of Arab Nationalism," Crossroads [published in Jerusalem], no. 33 [1992]:
::the Mufti sent emissaries to Berlin in 1937 and 1939 to discuss financial, diplomatic, and weapons assistance. He also received financial support for the Arab revolt from the wealthy American anti-semite and Hitler sympathizer, Charles R. Crane who was also the patron of Husseini's associate on the Palestine Arab Executive, George Antonius.
:: the Mufti urged that Tripoli be "purged" of its Jews. As pointed out above, he and his associates had urged Hitler to extend the "Solution of the Jewish Question" to Arab lands. In their meeting, November 28, 1941, Hitler promised that this was part of his own plan. When the German troops crossed the Caucasus, the Fuehrer added, "then will strike the hour of Arab liberation." Hitler informed Husseini of his intent to "solve" the "Jewish problem," not only in Europe but in non-European countries as well. "The Grand Mufti replied that... He was fully reassured and satisfied by the words which he had heard from the Chief of the German State." 
From Mufti apologist Majid Khadduri, Independent Iraq, London (Chatham house.) (2nd ed.) 1960; p. 185:
:: "that he asked of the Germans that upon their arrival in the Middle East they allow the Arabs 'to solve the Jewish Question in Palestine and the other Arab countries in accord with the interests of the Arabs and in the same ways in which this problem was solved in the Axis states.'"
American journalist Edgar Ansel Mowrer said of Husseini, "As a murderer, this man ranks with the great killers of history,"
Simon Wiesenthal, Grand Mufti:
::Haj Amin visited not only Auschwitz but aha Maldanek. In both death camps he paid dose attention to the efficiency of the crematorie, spoke to the leading personnel and wasgenerous in bis praise for those who were reported as particularly conscientious in their work. He was on friendly terms with such notorious practitioners of the "final solution" as Rudolf Hess, the overlord of Auschwitz; Franz Zeireis of Mauthausen; Dr. Seidl of Theresienstadt; and Kramer, the butcher of Belsen.
From the Mufti and the Feuhrer:
Whatever the precise degree of the Mufti's personal in­volvement with Eichmann's genocide activities, his broad­cast from Berlin on September 21, 1944, bears witness that he was fully cognizant of the method and scope of Nazi extermination of the Jews. "Is it not in your power, O Arabs," he asked, "to repulse the jews who number not more than eleven million?" 17 millions was the given number.''
Wisliceny elaborated on these private wartime revela­tions in a signed official depostion submitted on July 26, 1946, to the Nuremberg tribunal. He testified that after the Mufti's arrival in Germany he had paid a visit to Himrnler and shortly afterward (late in 1941 or early in 1942) had visited Eichmann in his Berlin office at Kur­Fiirstenstrasse 116- According to Wisliceny, Eichmann told him that he had brought the Mufti to a special room where he showed him maps illustrating the distribution of the Jewish population in various European countries and delivered a detailed report on the solution of the Jewish problem in Europe. The Mufti seemed to have been very much impressed; he told Eichmann, that he had requested Himrnler—and received a promise to this effect—that when, after the victory of the Axis, he would return to Palestine, he would be accompanied, as his persona! adviser, by a trusted agent of Eichmann. The latter inquired whether Wisliceny himself would not be disposed to take such an assignment; the offer was declined. "Eichmann was strongly impressed by the personality of the Mufti," continued Wisliceny. "He told me then—and often re­peated it later—that the Mufti had also made a strong impression on Himrnler and exerted considerable influ­ence in Arabic-Jewish affairs."
::Some more starting points to work on here:Crum, 110-112; Hirszowicz, 262-63, 312-13; Daniel Carpi, "The Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin el-Husseini, and His Diplomatic Activity during World War II (October 1941-July 1943)," Studies in Zionism, No. 7, Spring 1983; pp. 130-31. Joseph Schechtman, The Mufti and the Fuehrer (New York, 1965); pp. 154-58. The sardonic use of euphemisms such as "active supervision" for the mass murder of Jews was not limited to the Mufti. Consider Count Ciano's record of a conference with Croatian officials in Venice on 16 December 1941, several weeks after Husseini's meeting with Hitler. The Croatian fascist leader Pavelitch explained to Ciano, the Italian foreign minister, that, in Ciano's words: "The most urgent problems [of the new Croatian state] were being faced, and in the front rank that of the Jews. The latter, who were 35,000 when the Ustashis took power, do not exceed 12,000 at present (Young Kvaternik [an aide to Pavelitch and nephew of the Croatian minister of war] explains this reduction by the word 'emigration,' accompanied by a smile that leaves no room for doubt)." Galeazzo Ciano, Les Archives secrètes du Comte Ciano (Paris: Plon, 1948), p. 487. The Mufti later collaborated with Pavelitch and other Croatians when helping recruit and motivate the Bosnian Muslim SS division. 
There is much than this.  jucifer 02:16, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Some more quotes