Talk:System of a Down/Archive 3

message: An IP (User_talk:202.12.233.21) )has been continually removing opinions from editors on the archived page, regarding the band's genre. They have removed opinions (from other editors) which are oppositional to their own. They have been doing this for a while without reason until now, providing the reason: 
"removed flaming of discussion post - this will constantly be changed back to reflect this. various posts involved abuse of users opinion, vulgar language, and un-necisary responses."
*There was no flaming on the thread (maybe one editor had been slightly careless with their language i.e saying "shut it", which wasn't extremely helpful but none-the-less they were just trying to express their view).
*The user abusing opinions is the editor who had made 9 separate comments trying to POV push that SOAD are emo/emo rock n roll. Whenever someone else had tried to oppose this, their comment got deleted by the IP.
*I found no vulgar language (on the parts that kept being removed).
*No-ones opinions should be regarded as unnecessary. Even though other people had opposed the IPs opinions, no-one had removed them.
The talkpage archives shouldn't be edited and I would just like to ask other editors to state their opinions, as I don't want to become too subjective about this.
Thank-you. --Seraphim Whipp 11:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing peoples comments from talk page archives

message: Hmm, I don't know how to deal with this. Someone edited the page to say that SOAD will be at the Ozzfest this year (which is called Freefest now, btw - since it's free), and the Bands-page ( http://www.ozzfest.com/bands.html ) does have SOAD in there, but is the Bands-page actually up-to-date or is it still from last year or something? The page is also a bit weird because it seems to list the artists twice with some more in the end, or something.
212.213.90.13 10:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not by SOAD.  gracz54 14:00, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ozzfest (Freefest)? 

message: yep, so the band is taking a break for a while. so in the meantime, check out my new band Syndrome Of a Down. just kidding system kicks ass.
::This doesn't belong here. please see Wikipedia: No one cares about your garage band Doc Strange 13:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hiatus

message: Please, don't delete them. The only one I know of that's ever been in this article is the one by the genres, which I had to re-add today because someone, and I know exactly who..check the edit summary of that edit for it, deleted it. This is to everyone, though I'm sure most of you know, do not delete that hidden comment. There's a reason it's there. Bsroiaadn 18:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hidden comments

message: ..' grandsons of Armenian Genocide survivors '.. ? What ?? 
Should this be one of the first sentences to explain the band? I know the band is among the people who support genocide theory, but isn't it offensive for Turkish fans of SOAD?
Just a thought. 
There are Turkish SOAD fans?
Thanks
Miller 88.106.11.115 18:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a article that has to do with Armenians since obviously they are, considerably removing that is offensive also since Serj and others have strong feelings about this, the genocide that is. The majority view the Armenian Genocide as genocide for example Scholars, historians, preferable all reliable. Its like removing important figures of the Jewish holocaust only its more known and accepted. Just like the Armenian Genocide, only of which Turkey denies, like Germany trying to take over and saying it never happened in which they did before but now they admit it, I hope you understand us. Mexicana 20:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not censored to protect anyone's feelings. Why should it be offensive to Turks? Why is it a big deal to admit your country did horrible things in the past? I'm an American and don't deny what the American government did to the Native Americans was a horrible thing. I'm sure you can find many a German (or other European country that collaborated in the slaughter) who isn't exactly proud or even defensive of the Holocaust. Turks need to grow up and admit what the Turkish government did to the Armenians as WWI was winding down was genocide, and move on. Parsecboy 22:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenian Genocide survivors? 

message: can someone add years active to the side box, i tried but it didn't work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Boozeclues (talk • contribs) 02:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Years Active 

message: Hi guys,
the current page's differences to the last are the change to "greatest" band which is of course an opinion, and also "three" members from Armenian Descent.  I've checked all relevant websites and the band (while on a hiatus) have in now way split up, which leaves the older articles of "four" members accurate.  I don't want to revert just yet, in case there's something I don't know. Any ideas?
Cheers  
Celticsapien 11:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Page 

message: A friend told me that the band was called system of a down because all of the members have down's syndrome. Is this true? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.249.202.53 (talk) 18:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is wrong. If they had Down's syndrome, they would have a lot of trouble playing instruments like that, and for another thing, when a person has Down's syndrome, they have particular facial characteristics that make them easy to recognize. It's simply a joke/insult to the band. Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me!) 18:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band entirely made of members with down's syndrome? 

message: someone keeps adding to the first sentence that system WAS  a band without any source that they broke up. if you don't have sources, don't change the page.Boozeclues 19:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some people don't know the difference between "indefinite hiatus" and the band breaking up. Although a majority of the time when a band goes on an "indefinite hiatus" they do break up, but that doesn't mean it's always true. Where did they add it? I haven't been watching the SOAD article lately. Is it still there? Bsroiaadn 05:21, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: i've always heard them being reffered to as "Nu" or "Alternative" Metal;  but, correct me if i'm wrong, they sound thrashy to me, especially in "toxicity". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.247.124.237 (talk) 01:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you should listen to some thrash metal before classifying them as "thrashy." I would recommend Slayer's Reign In Blood or Venom's Black Metal for some good thrash. It sounds nothing like System of a Down, trust me. Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me!) 09:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Well you said earlier "correct me if i'm wrong," but now that I am correcting you, you call me a music nazi. Remember to be civil when you interact with other editors. System of a Down are nothing like thrash metal. Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me!) 09:34, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: genre?

message: Whoever added him, thank you. I was trying to figure out that guys name. lol. Although, I didn't see him actually do any playing...he just seemed to go up on stage..fake-play his guitar...then get off. XD Bsroiaadn 05:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Harry Perry

message: I may be wrong and I have no source so I haven't changed it yet but i'm almost certain that not all members of SOAD are of armenian descent as is stated in the first paragraph. I think it might be the case that john isn't. Anyone know any more? 202.12.144.21 14:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Armenian Descent?

message: We're gonna end up having to fully-protect this page one day so only admins can edit it if we ask them to. BsroiaadnTalk 03:58, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ugh

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Soad logo.png

message: It's really of no consequence, but the quote Darron Stated: "They used to call us nü-metal, now they call us prog rock. I think they'll call us anything that's popular."
Is actually:
""They used to call us nü-metal, now they call us prog rock. Whatevers popular at the moment, I think that's what they'll call us."
I have the audio, it's from the Ogden Theatre in Denver, 4/27/05, following the end of "Deer Dance".
: Thanks, I've corrected it along with a citation. –Pomte 07:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nu-Metal Quote 

message: The article can't be accurate if the band is constantly referred to as "emo" throughout the entire article.  If no one can agree on a genre, it's best to just not have one.
this is the most random thing ive ever read. it says no where in the article about them being emo, and there hasn't been a person proposing this in months. why even bring it up??? 74.124.28.243 14:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definitely not emo 

message: i read the article about funk metal, and system has no similarities. they lack any hip hop influence. also, looking at the other bands listed as funk metal, system doesnt fit in. 74.124.28.243 14:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Funk Metal 

message: in the disputed genre part there's a  template ("The factual accuracy of this article or section is disputed."). Is it really needed? Many sources are used to back up the facts...
Emmaneul (Talk) 19:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another genre topic 

message: System of a Down is NOT nu-metal. Quit saying it is. 70.122.25.223 15:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think they're more of a scene band rather than a band from that genre.  They just appeal to nu-metalers. Maplejet 16:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally do not agree with labeling them as numetal, but for the purposes of Wikipedia, reliable sources have been provided labeling them as such, so it should be included. It's discussed enough in the Genre Dispute section of the article. Parsecboy 16:31, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nu-metal 

message: 'They called on Shavo Odadjian, with whom they knew from when Soil shared a recording studio with Odadjian's previous band as well as when Odadjian was briefly their guitar player'. That is the clumsiest sentence ever. Please someone edit this for clarity.
I fixed it some, not sure if I made it any better though. FallenWings47 18:23, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  'In the beginning' 

message: In the associated acts section, should the apex theory and vokee even be there. andy was only a part of the band before they were signed. He doesn't really have anything to do with soad at all. i think that section should be limited to side projects, or other projects where the main four members are involved. Dissectional 00:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associated Acts - Should The Apex Theory really be there? 

message: We just had an extensive debate on SoaD's genres, and due to the wide range of genres they have been labeled, we think experimental rock is a suiting genre. so stop removing it.
Dissectional 23:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. If someone wants to remove experimental rock, then a discussion has to be made.  ZOUAVMAN LE ZOUAVE  12:44, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop removing Experimental Rock 

message: A lot of people have been proposing thrash metal as a genre for them, but since they aren't really pure thrash like slayer or metallica, should we add groove metal?Dissectional 01:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The current genres seem good enough, I don't believe it is necessary to add "Groove metal" or "thrash" since they don't quite fit either genre. Zanders5k 21:15, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Groove Metal 

message: Please tell me what you think about this.  gracz54 (talk) 22:33, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What do you think? 

message: What's the deal with SOAD? Are they gone forever?  I sure hope not.... I think there has been talk about Daron taking over.  Is this true?  If so, is Scars on Broadway going to be merging into SOAD?  I want some answers, please.  <fontcolor="red">The Coolest dude on the</font><fontcolor="blue">PLANET</font> (Chat wit meh (The coolest dude on the planet)) 23:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future 

message: Serj is credited with "Rhythm Guitar" on the band members section, yet I have yet to see any crediting on any of the actual albums to Serj on rhythm guitar. If he actually did, it needs substantiation or citation. ~~  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.195.58.212 (talk) 22:32, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Serj: Surreptitious Rhythm Guitarist?

message: Soil was a band for like 2 months. not to mention theyre not even active anymore, so theyre not associated Dissectional 01:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soil is not an associated act!! 

message: http://www.hardradio.com/shockwaves/system1.html in this interview daron states.................. I'm sure many of you are probably wondering, what is the meaning, or concept, behind "System Of A Down"? Daron explains, "I thought of the name from a poem that I had written. It was originally called 'Victims Of The Down,' but Shavo didn't really like the word 'victims' in the title, so I thought up 'System Of A Down' and it just clicked...Plus, now our album will be under the 'S' section, next to Slayer!"  and you can see that shavo was the one who didnt like the word victims, not serj. also, im not sure if it is a typo or not, but they put victims of THE down, instead of victims of A down. Dissectional 21:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daron thought of the name system, not serj!!!!!! 

message: What do you guys think about restoring the demo tapes to the discography? I think they've been unfairly deleted. There are articles about demos of Metallica or Avenged Sevenfold, so why not SOAD? The demos are notable, they have been officially released (at least Demo Tape 1, 2 and 3).  gracz54 (talk) 10:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem with mentioning demos in a discography, but any release that isn't widely available for verification needs reliable sources to account for existence and content. - Cyrus XIII 10:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by "widely available"? Those tapes can't be widely available now, they're a) circa ten years old, b) no one heard about SOAD back then.  gracz54 (talk) 11:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

text: They are mentioned in System of a Down discography. I don't see why they should be mentioned here. Kameejl (Talk) 13:42, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Zouavman Le Zouave 17:46, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoring the demo tapes to the discography? 

message: I'm pretty sure SoaD did not do this, but Flash Flash Revolution R1 credited this to SoaD. So what I want to know, is who actually did this song, if SoaD didn't? 74.69.245.119 00:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, SOAD did not record that song. I can't remember who did, at the moment, but I know it's been discussed here before, somewhere in the archives. Here it is Talk:System_of_a_Down/archive2#Zelda Parsecboy 00:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The band who did the song is The Rabbit Joint. (Sources: 1, 2, 3) Zouavman Le Zouave 08:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Any sources? Zouavman Le Zouave 21:10, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Here is a good source.  gracz54 (talk) 21:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zelda Song 

message: I've been hearing a song on the radio by System of a Down that ive never heard before.  I can never catch the name.  Is this a copycat band or them?
Ive listened to every song SoaD has too.  Even ones that arnt on albums.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.70.254 (talk) 14:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The radio and Digital Download singles, to be exact.  gracz54 (talk) 15:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Song? 

message: I have an old promo sticker of theirs from 1996 and the band was called "System of the Down". Relevant enough to include? 76.245.62.113 16:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  System of the Down 

message: I deleted nu metal on their genre. People you have to know the difference between Nu metal and Alternative, or hard rock. I don't consider soad as Nu Metal, sense they don't consider themselves, and i don't consider them. Secondly, they never rap on their FU**ING songs! Then I don't consider Disturbed, and Godsmack as Nu Metal either. There more like Hard Rock bands. Nu Metal is a mainstream shi*t now. So there's lots of people calling several bands Nu Metal, like soad. Nu Metal is Slipknot, Korn, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, and I'm sure theres more bands like them out there. All those Nu Metal bands have at least a DJ, and they use sound effects, and they rap. So does System of a Down, Distubed,                    and Godsmack have any of that staff in their music??? NO!!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.76.55 (talk) 23:06, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe so, yes. Zouavman Le Zouave 10:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't Put System of a Down as Nu metal PLEASE!!! 

message: Since nu metal is debated, i think (Debated) should be written besdie it.Boozer123 22:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The other genres are debated as well, just not by the same communities. A lot of metalheads, those who listen to the more extreme genres of metal (death, black, etc.) would not consider System of a Down a metal band. People who listen to a lot of experimental music including experimental rock artists like Fantômas or Mr. Bungle would argue that System of a Down shouldn't be listed as experimental rock because they judge that they do not experiment enough with sound and songwriting techniques. Nu metal is just as debated as the other genres are, and let's leave that for the "Styles and influences" section, for the infobox is very well balanced as of now. Now if you want to discuss the "Styles and influences" section, that's another story. Zouavman Le Zouave 23:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Debated Nu Metal

message: I came here looking for the current band member's names, but some idiot has gotten rid of them. If someone who knows all their names would put them back I'd really appreciate it. Bhree 18:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Band Member Name Deletion

message: It should read C#.  While they are the same, C# is the more common usage in wetern music.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Otcconan (talk • contribs) 17:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Db statement 

message: That thing about them reuniting in 2008 for a few songs is an unsourced website and will be deleted. As far as I'm concerned until the band or a reliable source of info confirms it is not true.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.8.154.163 (talk) 00:12, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: System is NOT reuniting

message: What is Eventually.... and why isn't it sourced? Also i don't Serj Tankian left hes just on hitas as is the rest of the band so why is her under left? Link287 (talk) 01:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Serj Tankian

message: I think it should be changed to 1995-2006, seeing as they aren't active as of right now. Just because they didn't officially break up, doesn't mean they are still active. They arent working together, and have no plans for tours in the next 4 or 5 years. Lets change it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.164.101 (talk) 03:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It states that the band is on hiatus, I think that's sufficient to describe the situation. Parsecboy (talk) 04:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Years Active

message: If you think it is, you don't know what nu-metal is. 70.122.23.62 (talk) 02:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Talk:System_of_a_Down#Nu_Metal....., Talk:System_of_a_Down/Archive_3#Nu_metal, and all the other sections where this has been discussed to death. Give it a rest. Parsecboy (talk) 03:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: We have been through a lot (and I really mean a LOT) of discussion on the genres of the infobox. The most neutral and consensus-approved solution was the one that is still in place. This solution has remained for practically six months, which I think is a record. Developped encyclopedic coverage of the genre can be made in the appropriate section of the article. As for the infobox, I would say that it should only be modified after a great amount of discussion yields a clear and enlightened consensus. Zouavman Le Zouave 15:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with Zouavman, the genres should only be changed after significant discussion leading to a clear consensus. Parsecboy (talk) 17:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  System of a Down is not nu-metal 

message: it should say 1995-2006 without the hiatus. because daron said that they werent talking about a reunion and he said if we are holding our breath for a record, we would turn blue and pass out. Nardulli22 (talk) 02:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of people can say a lot of things; until the band officially states otherwise, they're on a hiatus. If and when they do officially break up, the article will be altered accordingly. Until then, the best option is to stick with what the sources commonly state. Parsecboy (talk) 04:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've read the interview, and Malakian did not say SoaD was over. He said that there was no intention to reunite the band currently, but did not deny the possibility that the band will reunite someday. Zouavman Le Zouave 15:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: i wouldn't assume anything based on one magazine interview. i've heard an interview where maynard says that there will be another APC album in the future and then in another interview done a week or two after that he says that there won't. people can say odd things on a particular day, or even change their mind after a couple of years. remember a couple years ago when billy corgan "broke up" the smashing pumpkins and made this big speech about him never performing those songs again and closing a chapter in his life? and here we are 7 years later with a new SP album & EP and another in the works all because billy had no luck with his 2nd band or solo venture. so when daron says in an interview "there won't be another soad album for a looong time", don't take it too seriously. wait for him to get bored with his side-project and spend all of his soad money, and i can guarantee that he'll be singing a different tune. i bet you we'll see at least 1 new album from the group before 2015.65.43.216.22 (talk) 14:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Oh my, what a constructive comment was that! Zouavman Le Zouave 13:15, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't believe it's verifiable. Please stick to constructive discussion about the original topic. -- Reaper  X 02:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  system is over 

message: It seems the only activity this page has seen over the past week or more is continual alterations of the genre, either in the infobox, or the lead. It's been primarily anon editors making these disruptive changes, and if it continues, I might just semi-protect the page to put a stop to it. 
For all of you who disagree with the genres in either location, please remember that there is a talk page for a reason. This issue has proven to be highly contentious in the past. Take a look throug the old dicussions here and in the archives before making any change; your arguments will likely have been addressed at some point. Even if they have not been addressed (which is unlikely), you must still begin a discussion on the talk page first, before any changes can be made. Thank you. Parsecboy (talk) 15:21, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Parsecboy. This current situation with the genres in the infobox and the lead has been working for practically half a year, which is a record. All changes must require an enlightened and clear consensus. Zouavman Le Zouave 17:27, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop changing the freakin' genres 

message: Linkin Park are rock. They're basic and mild,
But System are heavy and fast, 
They are metal in general.
Coagula (talk) 13:44, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In order to respect the neutral point of view, rock is used in the introduction for it does not exclude metal out of the picture. The style and influences section describes the genre issue, feel free to read. Zouavman Le Zouave 17:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  System ARE Metal. 

message: I recently heard this Technical/Progressive Thrash metal band called Depressive Age who's vocal and musical style greatly reminds me of SOAD, especially the bizarre vocal styling, albeit the music they mame is a lot more complicated, but it still reminds me greatly of it, have the band ever mentioned them as an influence? Their releases greatly predate them, and this reminds me a lot of that thing I heard that sounded like a ripped off Melody from an Emperor song used in one of there's.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Free2game365 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you find a source that explicitly claims that Depressive Age has had an influence on the band, sure, go ahead and add it with a ref. ;-) Zouavman Le Zouave 10:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sounds heavily influenced by the band Depressive Age 

message: How can you write Experimental rock in the infobox? Soad is a metal and hard rock group. We should delete experimental rock and add Hard rock in the infobox cause their music is described as it (many sources!). You can also call them Punk metal or Avantgarde metal but not experimental rock! That's totally wrong! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.173.11.119 (talk • contribs) 
:They are experimental rock because they experiment with their sound, and use many unconventional lyrics. Why do you find it so hard to accept that. It seems you are more into the band for the image than the music.99.234.164.101 (talk) 02:12, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: The beginning of the article says System is a rock band. While there may be disputed about what type of metal SoaD is, they are clearly in the metal genre. This needs to be changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.189.36.149 (talk) 15:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. This might be your point of view, but it is not shared by several significant groups, such as the underground metal community, who regard System of a Down more like an alternative rock act rather than a metal act. This can be seen in System of a Down's absence from Encyclopaedia Metallum, for example. In order to be neutral on the issue, the introduction says "rock band", rather than "metal band" for the following reason: metal excludes many of the other subgenres of rock, including alternative rock, while rock includes both metal and other rock subgenres, and System of a Down is clearly a rock band, which does not exclude metal from the picture. Putting metal would be non neutral for it only presents one opinion. Zouavman Le Zouave 21:33, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  SoaD IS metal 

message: I added industrial to the styles and influences list, pretty much just because of old school hollywood, but it got removed. I figured it wouldn't hurt to mention it.. but maybe one song isn't enough to justify adding a genre? Again, i figured it wouldn't hurt to mention it but i'll see if others agree so it won't keep getting deleted.. 70.106.116.118 (talk) 01:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: First, just a friendly reminder that new threads should go on the bottom of the talk page. I would have to agree that one song isn't really enough to mention influences on it, which is probably why it was removed. Of course, if you can find a reliable source that includes it, I wouldn't be opposed to it being in the article. Parsecboy (talk) 03:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: style and influences - industrial?

message: Hello,
i would like to suggest an external link to System of a Down's last.fm page (http://www.last.fm/music/System+of+a+Down). 
Last.fm is a user generated music platform offering free legal contents such as music and videos. They have free streams of System of a Down albums, videos, stats, updated gigs listings about the band, etc..
As a member of last.fm staff i would like to point your attention to what we believe to be relevant and free contents for those wikipedia users interested in the band.
cheers,
Marco - Last.fm Staff - Mystical-bunny (talk) 11:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know whether or not the link is suitable under the external links policy, but if you are part of the staff there, then you need to ensure the SOAD bio is properly attributed as a mirror of Wikipedia, as it appears to be a word for word copy of the article. Parsecboy (talk) 14:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link to System of a Down page on last.fm 

message: ..is the "Future and Possible Reunion" section written and structured like a horrible tabloid gossip column? Needs chopping up. 92.10.95.128 (talk) 01:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why.. 

message: Why are their views named as liberal?! That's pathetic, they're not democrats for christ's sake! We all know they go further left than that! As much as RATMRevan ltrl (talk) 17:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They surely aren't conservative, are they? Their political songs clearly advocate Liberal positions, such as Prison Song, which denounces increasing the prison population, and is instead in favor or rehabilitation (this is a classic Liberal argument). And Liberal =/= Democrat. Also, new threads go on the bottom of the talk page. Parsecboy (talk) 17:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Please remain civil. Also, I'm not sure why you mean when you say that my reply has been ridden of the "ability to feel or perceive subjectively". The fact remains that SoaD holds many positions that can only be described as liberal, regardless of how the American media treats the word. Parsecboy (talk) 00:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

text: No, you didn't use the word "sentience" correctly, hence my "failure" to understand it. Sentience is the ability of an object to "feel or perceive subjectively". My reply is a bunch of electronic 0s and 1s, so of course it can't be sentient. I, of course, am a sentient human being; perhaps you should re-consult your dictionary. As for my comment on your incivility, this whole thing about the so-called lack of "sentience" in my original reply is uncivil. Parsecboy (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

text: This discussion is over; if I see you make another uncivil comment, to me, or anyone else, I will not hesitate to block you. You have been warned repeatedly, both here and in the past. Cease and desist.  Parsecboy (talk) 03:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Woah, where did this conversation go? One minute we're talking about System being liberal, the next an admin is being "insulted" for their lack of... sentience... apparently... ≈ The Haunted Angel 14:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Liberal" Views 

message: There is one only one definition of Nu Metal and It is Rap/Hip Hop Metal with Turntables. The only not very nu metal like band that can stay Nu Metal is Disturbed which Barely puts rap in their metal actually they is a little bit of hip hop in each album and they still are nu metal even though they don't have a Turntable.
These Bands are Nu Metal: Rage Against The Machine, Korn, Linkin Park, Kittie, Limp Bizkit, Crazy Town, P.O.D., Kid Rock, Papa Roach ,Adema, Slipknot, Insane Clown Posse and many many more. Plus all these bands are Awesome. Stop putting These Bands under Nu Metal: Fear Factory, System of a Down, 
Godsmack, Static X, SOil, Drowning Pool, Trapt, Breaking Benjamin and many many more. Plus all those bands are awesome too.
Cheers
:Greetings. Of course, you have total authority over what is and what is not nu metal. I'm sure all of us should've thought of calling you to confirm that first. First of all, you are wrong (saying that the only definition of nu metal is using rap or hip hop elements with turntables is just plainly inaccurate); and second, you fail to get the point. Nu metal is there because numerous quality sources have described the band's work as such. End of story. Zouavman Le Zouave 00:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, you fail to get the point. What you think really doesn't matter at all. The nu metal genre has been used to describe System of a Down's style by several reliable sources. See WP:V, WP:OR, and WP:NPOV for more info. Zouavman Le Zouave 16:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

text: WP:V is non-negotiable; a number of reliable sources label SOAD as nu-metal, so it should be featured in the infobox. End of discussion. Parsecboy (talk) 21:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

text: While that may be the case that there are a significant number of sources that label the band as alt metal, they are not simply alt metal. Take a look at the sources provided earlier on this page. As I said above, there's no point to continue this debate; WP:V is quite clear in this situation. I've warned you once about continuing to revert the infobox, if you do it again, I will not hesitate to block you again. Parsecboy (talk) 15:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

text: No, because if we did it for nu metal, we'd have to put disputed tags next to each genre, because I'm sure there are those who disagree with each of them. Leave it to the text of the article to elaborate upon. Parsecboy (talk) 14:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop Changing The Genre To Nu Metal

message: The intro paragraphs sound like they have been written by a 4 year old. Horrible choice of words, bad grammar. I can't even describe it. It needs changing. 99.234.164.101 (talk) 22:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if you're 5 or older, you can go ahead and do it yourself. Good day. Zouavman Le Zouave 23:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro Paragraph

message: "Yeah. It'll feel good and happy. I can respect this situation [System's hiatus] more than I can respect the situation where two people are like, 'The lead singer fucked my girlfriend!' and that kind of bullshit. Nah, man. The lead singer is a special person to me and I am to him. And that's how we ended off. Same with Shavo, same with John. And it will always be. It was a big part of my life. We were onstage together for a long time, man. We went through shit as a band and friends -- we slept in RV's together!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.184.117.101 (talk • contribs) 
:No, Daron was just saying that the band going on hiatus is not for a stupid reason like "The lead singer fucked my girlfriend!". Parsecboy (talk) 11:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They are still very good friends outside of the band  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Casket56 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Serj Tankian fuck Daron Malakian's girlfriend? 

message: Since the templates are protected, for music artists, is it possible to add another category for management companies similiar to the one for Labels?
Ivygirl16 (talk) 17:33, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a Management Category to the template 

message: The references citing the fan-created forum (SOAD Fans) should be removed. Good sources would be reliable news websites, books covering the band or its genre(s), etc. Fan sites are not considered reliable sources. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 22:05, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: The start of the list mentions that one of their songs takes on the Armenian Genocide, but fails to cite which song. If there is such a song, please put it in. Otherwise, take it out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by WestCoastBlues (talk • contribs) 17:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To what exactly are you referring? The paragraph in the intro that mentions the Armenian Genocide? I'm not sure why the statement needs to have the song named specifically for it to remain in the article. It's perfectly fine as is. Parsecboy (talk) 18:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  REFERENCE 

message: They may not be nu metal, but they're certainly pop metal. They're enjoyable to listen to but they are a band that any idiot can listen to.--Boshinoi (talk) 21:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Color commentary aside, have you any sources to back up your claim? Parsecboy (talk) 16:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nu metal 

message: Even though I'm a big fan of music, I generally don't involve myself in the personal lives of the musicians I listen to. That being said certain things do spark my curiosity. I know that Tankian and Malakian, basically started the band. Looking at the credits, Tankian generally wrote the lyrics and Malakian wrote the music, save a couple songs where each of them is listed as a second respectively. In Toxicity Malakian is listed as secondary song writer in half the songs, with Tankian only contributing music writing to two. In Steal This Album! Malakian is listed as secondary song writer in over half the songs and as lead song writer in three of them. Serj once again is listed as secondary in the music writing of a only a few, and has primary listing on a couple, with Malakian having wrote most of the music as usual. With Mezmerize you suddenly see Malakian as the primary song writer for all the songs save one and Serj as the secondary writer in less than half, and Malakian still listed as the primary music writer as well. Hypnotize takes on a similar listing as Mezmerize with Malakian dominating the listing and Serj only having main credit with one song. Since I don't follow the band's dealings I am wondering if this has been explored and if it could possibly be a reason for System's hiatus? Looking at the fact that Serj went on to release a solo album of which he wrote all the songs and music for, I can't imagine his lack of input in System's later releases were out of a lack of want or inspiration. The article doesn't mention anything about the change in tactics, so I'm just wondering if it is something noteworthy that could be added to the article, regardless if it was the reason for the hiatus or not.  Livingston 21:58, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malakian Taking Over? 

message: I know for a fact that some of the members of system use marijuana and cocaine (seeing as i have partied with them) there are parts of their website that says that they use marijana and there songs hint at them using drugs such as cocaine and herione King gemini 92 (talk) 01:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your claims of personal observation aside, have ye any reliable sources? Parsecboy (talk) 01:25, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm thinking that their drug use would probably be more appropriate on their individual biography articles. Parsecboy (talk) 02:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

text: No problem. Parsecboy (talk) 03:00, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drug use? 

message: SOAD is not going to participate on the Eurovision Song Contest, watch this video: http://www.faceculture.tv/index.php?cnti_key=11749658  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.150.224.123 (talk) 14:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  SOAD not on the Eurovision Songcontest 

message: In the introduction, the link to metal is incorrect. It should be to metal music not the type of element.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.181.123 (talk) 17:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Link 

message: Does anyone have a reference to Serj playing keys for the Lords of Acid before Soil? Or that at this time he was going by "The Infamous Rab"? I'd also like to know if anyone knows anything about any of the members pre-Soil bands? I know Daron's first band at age 15 was one calle Snowblind (see Talk:System of a Down#Soil is not an associated act!!), but that's all.
FallenWings47 (talk) 18:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lords of Acid and pre-Soil bands?

message: Couldn't we simply put it as "American rock band", since they are based in the USA, sing songs in English, and appeal to an American market. The only Armenian thing about them is their ancestry, and it is already dealt with later in the article. Can we keep the intro simple and simply put "American rock band" ? Zouavman Le Zouave 20:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Appreciated. :-) Zouavman Le Zouave 23:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Armenian-American" really necessary ? 

message: The bands song "War" was featured in the Playstation game Apocalypse.
How may this be incorporated into the article without using a Trivia section?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rion2032 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-Important fact