Talk:Student television in the United Kingdom/Archive 1

message: Just so you all know - we are a fully affiliated NaSTA station now. So I added us to the Wikipedia Page. Please dont delete us, we are officially joined now!!
* That's fair enough - but you shouldn't link to 'BuffTV media encoder' and your names unless there should be an article about them - which there probably shouldn't as they aren't notable enough (Unless either Matt or Ian are quite famous, or BuffTV encoder is a notable piece of software). Bear in mind that the article on NaSTA as a whole barely survived deletion.
**One more thing, 87.127.73.46, you should never edit other people's comments, it is often considered vandalism. The issue above has been fixed,  so a note underneath saying 'now fixed' would be sufficient, rather than deleting most of the comment. I've reverted the edit. -             
Sorry, 87.127.73.46
* I've removed the "references" from Matt'N'Ian's sections; WP:NN requires external references to be independent, which these certainly aren't --JonRSharpe
STOP DELETING THIS. MattNIan qualified as a full station and paid full affiliation fees, and get this, even won three awards. So to say they were not part is just silly, they were part, and even won some. Why you reference a Google Cached page THAT WAS NEVER UPDATED FROM THE 2005 SEASON as your reasoning for removing them is insane. Leave it buddy. 
first please place new comments under ones previously made second please sign your comments. now on the matter you raised if you can provide a more recent verifibility reliably sources, then please do so, also i would remind that you should not write about yourself and wait until such time as some one else feels you are notable, particularly in the case of someone who has been repeatedly warned for vandalism. Sherzo 23:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Matt'N'Ian TV - An affiliated station

message: Which part of this article are people unsure about? Vanky 22:36, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More

message: OK, I'd like to have a stab at a major article rewrite over the next few days, because (as evidenced by the deletion debate) this article doesn't really do NaSTA justice. I doubt that many/any of the station articles themselves will avoid deletion, so I suggest a section on each affiliate station, and a little about the UK student TV scene in general wouldn't go amiss.Tomisaac 22:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  From what i have seen looking throgh the varies websites and googling them WTV and LS:TV are close to a traditional television station, with lots of programmes which are regularly broadcast, several others are however moving in this direction, wheras others resemble filmmakers clubs. Though GUST has a very interesting model basically it just perpetually produces the same shows year on year. i think a good NPOV wold to give a fair represention of the stations volume and diversity of output, but avoid descriptions of services they provide or how they broadcast unless this is particularly different from the norm. are there any third party verifiable sources on the NaSTA and student tv in the UK? since your good sources is hardly verifiable as the last update on the website was 4 years ago so its been broken for all that time. i appreciate they may not all be web based but if there's no website you need to provide some verifiable sources. I think a section on notable alumni would be useful, highlighting a few former members who've gone on to success in the media. Sherzo 23:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fair enough, I think Bloomsbury are pretty close to dead - all I have is word of mouth that Bloomsbury had a committee last year, but that's it. But please don't go merely on the basis of the websites - these are **not** online TV stations, the main method of broadcast is on campus cable-based networks. The best way to judge output is to either watch the station in question, or ask someone who watches/makes the programmes what their output is. It's a bit like asking for a source on the content of a film, you really need to watch the film to say 'that's what happens at the end'. Good sources for Student TV in general are a couple of BBC news articles, a lot of local news coverage and a good few (I've got clippings of five) national newspaper articles. Also, University guides often make mention but are light on detail. Notable alumni would be a good section, it's a question of back-tracing the stations from biographies etc - I've got a couple of them lined up for XTV, but I need some for the other stations too before I add it in.Tomisaac 21:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed on the NPOV, but that was bound to happen because folk from the member stations are eager to write their own sections. That kind of thing is easily fixed though. This article has been drastically changed very quickly, so there's bound to be a few problems. Bear with us. JMalky 16:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ontop of the NPOV issues you also seem to have a bit of an edit war between i what i assume are rivals from different stations. is demon the first of these stations in halls, i can't find any sources on that but i can't equally find anything for YSTV claim that they were first. from what i've seen of the websites most station put up what programmes they do, just if i wanted to find out what shows the BBC or ABC make. I appreciate your point, but everything you put on wiki has to be verifiable, so it should at least reflect whats on there own websites.
I have one suggest have you thought about creating your own wiki? then each station, show etc could have its own page, you could design it on the IMDB lines. Sherzo 23:35, 03 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I simply removed demon from saying that they are the first to broadcast in halls. I am not saying that YSTV was the first, I just know it to be factually incorrect as we have broadcast to halls for longer. As far as I know, I don't need a citation to prove that someting without a citation is false. I am just trying to keep the article factually accurate, not having an edit war - sorry demon :) Ystv 02:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Action post deletion debate

message: who are the founding members of the organisation, the earliest website on archive.org was for december 96, however its listed as Nasta 95, and the member stations then were, BTV, CTV, GUST, GTV, LUST, Nexus, STOIC, YSTV.are these the found members?
:Probably not, those are most likely the affiliates at the time of the website being written. The actual formation is some time in the 1970s - I've seen some archive footage of a very informal NaSTA conference from that era - but in true student style, no-one thought to write it down and keep records.Tomisaac 11:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it goes back as far as 1969; the earliest student TV stations seem to date back to about 1967 (YSTV, possibly GUST?) and 1968 (GTV, Nexus). My notes on past NaSTA conferences say "1969 ? Sussex, 1970 ? Plymouth" but I have no idea where that information came from, other than from old newsletters in the NaSTA file in the GTV "office" in about 1997. It does suggest that there were stations in those places at around the time that NaSTA was founded. I also have a fairly solid list of 1980s/90s conferences if anyone's interested. --rbrwr± 21:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Founding Members

message: What does NaSTA actually stand for?
:National Student Television Association - I think the 'a' from National is added in to make a pronouncable word, rather than 'NSTA' which is kind of hard to say.Tomisaac 11:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I think this page solves that particular mystery Vanky 13:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forrest Gust 

message: Just had a look over the article other than a few g&s mistakes, and few stations POV pushes, it looks good you should be proud. The only changes i think you need, would be to add blurbs for the other affiliated stations. Other than that well done! Sherzo 06:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Quality 

message: Surely LS:TV are the best broadcaster 2006-2007, as 2007-2008 hasn't been awarded yet. They have been awarded for their production in the last year, not what they're going to produce.
--Peternewman 16:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The current holders of Best Broadcaster for 2007 / 2008 are LS:TV 

message: OK, I've started something at a sub-page in my userspace which is still full of notes and tags, but it's a start. Feel free to have a go at it everybody!Tomisaac 13:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite draft copy