Talk:Gold Glove Award

message: Oops.  Missed "Gold Glove" entirely.  Thanks for merging the articles.
: RadicalBender 04:23, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I think this should be removed:
At the time, there was an award called the "Silver Bat," which was awarded by Hillerich & Bradsby, the Major League Baseball bat provider of the time, to the league's leading hitters, but there was no award for fielding.
because the Silver Bat is given to the player in the league with the highest batting average, and I don't think its one per position.  This doesn't seem anything like the Gold Glove award, which is subjective and is one per position.
Any thoughts please?
Mattingly23 15:24, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disagree with mention of Silver Bat award 

message: I think the main entry would benefit from some discussion of the often controversial and/or arbitrary nature of the Gold Glove awards. For example, Rafael Palmeiro winning the 1999 American League Gold Glove at first base even though he only played 28 games at the position during that season (he played 135 as the Designated Hitter). Some degree of research would be required to determine if this was the fewest number of starts for a past winner in the award's history, but it's certainly absurd considering a 162-game regular season. This is given a line in the main entry but is a big deal in baseball circles!
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/palmera01.shtml  
In this year's American League awards Derek Jeter wins again as "best fielder" at shortstop despite committing twice as many errors (15) as Boston shortstop Alex Gonzalez (7) and despite sporting a lower fielding percentage (.975 to .985). Last year Torii Hunter won one in the American League outfield despite playing little over half a season (98 games). Oakland second baseman Mark Ellis this year had one of (if not the) the best fielding percentages in the history of baseball for a second baseman this year (.997) and was somehow overlooked.
Sound reasonable?Jimsurge74 21:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversial Gold Gloves 

message: To go with the DP combo table it might be interesting to know (if it's occured) if any batteries (Pitcher/Catcher) or complete outfields have ever won Gold Gloves in a year. Perhaps not notable enough for it's own table, but worth a sentence if it's ever happened. Staxringold talkcontribs 16:08, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It would definitely be worth an add-on table if it's happened more than once or twice. I'll research it and check in here in a couple of days. The double-play combos were merged in here from another article, so they were already completed. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 17:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Other notable combos

message: was gong to update main article with info that as of this year, 2011, the outfield nominations have been separated into left, center and right field positions but there's no [edit] link? 
justdave49  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justdave49 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking the same thing.oknazevad (talk) 05:25, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the text.  How should this be noted in the table?  A new table starting in 2011, a footnote for header of each OF column, a footnote for each OF starting in 2011, other?—Bagumba (talk) 07:23, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think a new table is the right way; maybe that would be okay after a couple of years but I think that it should be a single table for now. Perhaps footnotes on the players indicating their position. — KV5 • Talk •  10:54, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the footnotes for the players, indicating if they won in LF/CF/RF.—Bagumba (talk) 18:48, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ESPN Baseball Encyclopedia says from 1957–1960, Gold Gloves were also handed out for specific outfield positions.  Given that 2011 (and beyond) did the same thing, how should this be presented in the table aside from current footnotes in 2011?  Should we make the columns LF, CF, RF, with a footnote that generic OFs were selected from 1961–2010?—Bagumba (talk) 09:32, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's more correct to say that they were all outfielders (because all outfielder positions are) and to denote which were selected specifically by position. — KV5 • Talk •  12:43, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating main article 

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message: I think the National League box should appear before the American League box because NL is older than AL.
Pitchers can earn Gold Gloves and Cy Young Awards. I would assume that the second is more prestigious than the first one. Does anybody have any comment in merit, in particular on what it takes to win one or the other?
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message: The softball awards were removed as purportedly being WP:COATRACK.  I don't agree and thought the talk page was a good place to resolve.  My thoughts are as follows:
#   The rationale given was "this page is about the MLB award", but the title does not say this.  The article is 'about' whatever the community says it is.  Its also noteworthy in the history section the softball is discussed (as well as reference to high school and college awards), so I don't think the simple position that its is only about the MLB award is correct.
#   WP:COATRACK flat out says "Material that is supported by a reliable, published source whose topic is directly related to the topic of the article, is not using the article as a coatrack."  The softball awards are given by the same company (Rawlings) and have the same visual appearance as the baseball award so they are directly related.  Also, baseball and softball are often approached hand-in-hand, such as how the Olympics decides if baseball and softball are included together.  If this were an article about a Wicket-keeper award in cricket I would see the WP:COATRACK point, but not for baseball and softball.
#   WP:COATRACK is an essay.  Deletion of this content would violate WP:BIAS, another essay.  We need to balance these before just deleting. 
In short, I think this is the proper place for the softball gold gloves.  If someone thinks that a separate article is appropriate for baseball and softball, then that would be the better approach than wholesale deletion.  However, including the female awards for the female version of the male sport, to me, does not run against WP:COATRACK. RonSigPi (talk) 20:03, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think having its own section is a perfectly reasonable way to go.  Avoids the ambiguity that Bagumba mentioned by grouping together, but also gives room for more explanation. RonSigPi (talk) 21:17, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not tied to the Platinum award remaining here, but at least it is an award for the same sport.—Bagumba (talk) 07:28, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Softball awards 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: Could someone please add some clarification about players that plays in multiple positions within a season? Which position would he be nominated (most appearances at a position in a season vs. most effective position by least errors or most runs/bases saved)? Nbagigafreak (talk) 22:11, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Palmeiro won at 1B in 1999 even though he was primarily a DH that year. I'm not aware if any safeguards have since been put in place.  If there were, it should be mentioned, esp. since this is an FL.—Bagumba (talk) 01:28, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Players in multiple positions in a season 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  —Nnadigoodluck███ 08:28, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Rawlings Gold Glove Award →  – Move per the WP:CONCISE policy. It is more often referred to without the sponsor name.  There are 891 indirect links (redirects) to this page, versus 630 directly using "Rawlings". Of those direct links, a lot are piped to "Gold Glove Award",  inflating direct links when editors are compelled to go against MOS:NOPIPE. For an independent example, The Dickson Baseball Dictionary has its entry under plain "Gold Glove Award". There are no ambiguity concerns, as no other distinct topics on WP have "Gold Glove" in their title. 
This page was moved in 2007 to include "Rawlings" with the rationale  However, WP:COMMONNAME policy as written today says . —Bagumba (talk) 05:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 27 May 2021