Talk:José María Rosa

message: I´ve read the discussion about Pepe Rosa regading fascism, antisemitism, and the fact he that lived in Spain. Well, regarding fascism, quoting him saying "The fascism was an Italian nationalistic phenomenon of the 20's and 30's; it has so much to do with the Argentine nationalism like with the Vietnamese nationalism or the Cuban one. It is not up to me “to surpass the ambiguity” of those who cannot understand nationalisms; it is up to them, at risk to remain without understanding neither the past nor the present", I agree with him, fascism is nationalist but nacionalism is not necesarily fascism. He also said that Cuba was nationalist (wich indeed is), does that makes him a communist?. If we´re gonna quote him about that, he used to joke about Castro (who he admired) being Rosas descendant, ending the joke saying "but it would be nice, don´t you think?". Nationalism, I repeat, Is NOT fascism, or are you saying that people like Scalabrini Ortiz, Arturo Jauretche, JW Cooke (All friends of JMR),  Rodolfo Walsh (who actually has articles praising the palestinian resistance), Abelardo Ramos (a jewish trotzkist  nationalist) are fascist? And to name non argentinians, I could say Ben Gurion and Beguin, Nasser, Arafat, Ghandi, Neru, and so on. I hope this will clarify the diference between fascism and nationalsm, but you would have to understand that he was part of Peronist nationalism. Before you all start to scream about "Perón = nazi = fascist", I´ll quote Perón saying in Congress: "Antisemitism is Stupid". And the fact that even today there are blankets with the seal of "Fundación Eva Perón" in hospitals of northen Israel (interview with Raanan Rein ).THAT is the nationalism of Pepe Rosa.
About antisemitism, read in "Religious interpretation of history", his first history book, the essay about Jesus, he actually praises him as a jewish nationalist. 
On an interview (I think is published in "History of revisionism" if im not mistaken) he says "Jewish people are so nationalist, that they do not accept others nationalism". ME, AS A JEWISH, AGREE WITH HIM. DOES THAT MAKES ME AN ANTISEMITE?
Anyway, if his antisemitism was so important, why do we needed Muchnick to "expose" him, we should all already knew it. Or if it needed to be exposed, doesnt that means his antisemitism (if he had) was not a definig nor important part of his beliefs as an historian and politician. Being Ambassador of Perón third government meant to share his work with Gelbard (Minister of economy, jewish AND comunist), with Moises Ikonikoff (Jewish, Trotzkist and Ecologist!!), etc. He even spend his time trying to teach Miron Burgin (Jewish and an officer of the DoS) about Rosas´s economy.   
And the fact that he live in Spain, to say Franco´s Spain it is just a cheap trick. He also visited Cuba and came back saying he loved Castro (i´ll say it again: does that makes him a comunist?). And quoting him and his son (Eduardo Rosa), he went to Spain because if he staid in Argentina he was going to be executed for being part of General Valle´s uprising against the FASCIST MILITARY DICTATORSHIP and because they promised him to publish "The Fall Of Rosas", and he came back as soon as he could.
I know many wont agree with this, but I hope my opinions help to remove what I think are false or out of place acussations; I didnt wanted to edit the article without discussing it first. ah, y perdón por alguna que otra falta de ortografía ;)
Bebecooke 05:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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