Talk:Autism rights movement

message: I think Molly Kessler should be mentioned in this article. She has an interesting view: Autists do not have a 'problem', but rather their own social language, though it would be beneficial to them to 'acquire' the neurotypical social language for personal benefit. She's pretty well-known in Israel, and she's even lectured abroad a few times (in Singapore, Japan, and I believe Australia as well). Siúnrá (talk) 12:44, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Molly Kessler 

message: section from article on Cherry Hill Public Schools:
===Controversy===
In April 2012, the parent of an autistic student released a video on Youtube"Teacher/Bully: How My Son Was Humiliated and Tormented by his Teacher and Aide", Stuart Chaifetz, video at YouTube, posted April 20, 2012 providing evidence that the student was the subject of emotional abuse at the hands of his teacher and aide at Horace Mann Elementary School, in the Cherry Hill school district.Horace Mann Elementary School website. The evidence was secured when the child's father, Stuart Chaifetz, wired his son before sending him to school. When Chaifetz listened to the audio recording, according to one news report, "Chaifetz says he caught his son's teachers gossiping, talking about alcohol and violently yelling at students. He took the audio to the Cherry Hill School District, where officials fired one of the teachers involved after hearing the tape.  Chaifetz's son was relocated to a new school, where Chaifetz says he is doing well."NJ Father Records Teachers Bullying His Autistic Child, MyFoxPhilly.com"Verbal abuse of autistic student sparks calls for reform", Jim Walsh and Phil Dunn, Cherry Hill Courier-Post, reprinted at USA Today website, 29 April 2012 Chaifetz created a petition asking for legislation to allow the immediate firing of teachers who have bullied students. As of April 29, it had garnered over 149,000 signatures."To the New Jersey Legislature and Congress: Pass legislation so that teachers who bully children are immediately fired", petition at Change.org, access date 29 April 2012
Should this be here? maybe at the autism article? I think it may deserve its own article.(mercurywoodrose)75.61.140.126 (talk) 17:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Appropriate here?

message: In April 2012, the parent of an autistic student released a video on Youtube"Teacher/Bully: How My Son Was Humiliated and Tormented by his Teacher and Aide", Stuart Chaifetz, video at YouTube, posted April 20, 2012 providing evidence that the student was the subject of emotional abuse at the hands of his teacher and aide at Horace Mann Elementary School, in the Cherry Hill school district.Horace Mann Elementary School website. The evidence was secured when the child's father, Stuart Chaifetz, wired his son before sending him to school. When Chaifetz listened to the audio recording, according to one news report, "Chaifetz says he caught his son's teachers gossiping, talking about alcohol and violently yelling at students. He took the audio to the Cherry Hill School District, where officials fired one of the teachers involved after hearing the tape.  Chaifetz's son was relocated to a new school, where Chaifetz says he is doing well."NJ Father Records Teachers Bullying His Autistic Child, MyFoxPhilly.com"Verbal abuse of autistic student sparks calls for reform", Jim Walsh and Phil Dunn, Cherry Hill Courier-Post, reprinted at USA Today website, 29 April 2012 Chaifetz created a petition asking for legislation to allow the immediate firing of teachers who have bullied students. As of April 29, it had garnered over 149,000 signatures."To the New Jersey Legislature and Congress: Pass legislation so that teachers who bully children are immediately fired", petition at Change.org, access date 29 April 2012
Should this be here? maybe at the autism article? I think it may deserve its own article.(mercurywoodrose)75.61.140.126 (talk) 17:50, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: Is it worth including the prevalence of autisim/aspergers being used as slurs on the internet?
Because the article mentions anti-cure insults and sorta implies that they are a result of having autism 
and I think its worth noting that people with out autism can be just as hostile to people with it as the other way around.
Here is a reference:http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/autism  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.118.204 (talk) 06:40, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi 67.187.118.204! You would need a much better source than the one you mention. Please see WP:RS for learning on how to identify a reliable source. With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 16:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-autism/aspergers slurs 

message: It seems to me that it is neither stylistically good for an encyclopaedia to include this massive quote, nor in compliance with WP policy on quotes. It doesn't have a proper citation (a link to the original quote, for instance), is far too long (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Quotations#Overusing_quotations) and is probably a potential copvio issue too. I suggest someone looks into this (I would just delete it, but I feel it's best to discuss it first. Thanks. GoddersUK (talk) 14:26, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes. Definitely a copyvio concern, and in addition a long essay-like quote like that, which essentially consists of the personal musings of one non-notable individual in a discussion forum, are all kinds of unencyclopedicc. --bonadea contributions talk 07:58, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive quote in Autistic people have their own culture section 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Autism rights movement. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20081012161116/http://wampum.wabanaki.net/archives/001574.html to http://wampum.wabanaki.net/archives/001574.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 21:47, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified  on Autism rights movement. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090126110607/http://web.syr.edu/~jisincla/History_of_ANI.html to http://web.syr.edu/~jisincla/History_of_ANI.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090126110607/http://web.syr.edu/~jisincla/History_of_ANI.html to http://web.syr.edu/~jisincla/History_of_ANI.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20070707/fob4.asp
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://lists.envirolink.org/pipermail/sareport/Week-of-Mon-20050110/000350.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://fightingautism.org/clock/index.php
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://asatonline.org/resources/library/moms_perspective.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 04:38, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 6 external links on Autism rights movement. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Corrected formatting/usage for https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/20/health/20autism.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0%2C%2C2143123%2C00.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120215181832/http://archive.autistics.org/library/dawson.html to http://archive.autistics.org/library/dawson.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0%2C8599%2C1935959%2C00.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.autismacceptancemonth.com/acceptance-month-conclusion/
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.autismacceptancemonth.com/about/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 07:36, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: While I agree that counterpoints and criticisms should be presented in all matters, Jonathan Mitchell has been known to personally attack and harass members of the Autism Rights Movement / Neurodiversity movement, and bringing attention to him only helps him grow in terms of people he can use to further his own personal agenda.  On his new website; http://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/ ; he gives unauthorized medical advice to readers, a violation of law, along with other people in his group of people on Twitter using the #AutisticDarkWeb to harass people who are pro-neurodivergence.  The Autistic Dark Web is becoming a hate group, and members of it have advocated to be "put to death by lethal injection" for those who are part of the ND movement (source: http://autismisbad.blogspot.com/2015/08/neurodiversity-amendment.html ),
I request a moderator or admin of Wikipedia look into this, if possible.  Apologies if this post is a mess, I'm still unsure on the formatting for these things.
69.122.254.240 (talk) 19:23, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed your references to a specific editor's non-Wikipedia activities as outting someone is against Wikipedia policy. If you want someone to look into it post it here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents . Do not post links to outside activity but do advise them you can provide it by a non-public method such as email.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattevansc3 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jonathan Mitchell, and the Autistic Dark Web 

message: I noticed that viewpoints attributed to these three autistic individuals have been deleted from this article and a few other autism-related articles. There needs to be more discussion before a decision is made to erase their voices from Wikipedia. It appears that these passages were removed because the three expressed their opinions via facilitated communication, a discredited means of communication. However, Baggs (https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/the-language-of-autism/, https://www.wired.com/2008/02/ff-autism/) and Rubin (https://www.newsweek.com/my-mind-began-wake-122229) are capable of typing independently. Sequenzia still needs support typing, but no reliable source seems to discount her views because of her method of communication. CatPath (talk) 18:30, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Baggs is not a facilitated communication user. I removed her from the article under the mistaken belief that the was. However, the technique is scientifically discredited, so we cannot include the "opinions" of it's users. The news sources that quote them are not aware of the psudoscientific status of this communication technique. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 23:12, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Rubin has been typing without a facilitator for a while now. Read the Newsweek article that I linked to above. It says, "Sue, however, has typed on her own for several years now." The article was written in 2005. CatPath (talk) 23:41, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  This source may be dubious. There seems not to be evidence that she can type independently. Since she is a FC user, we should be skeptical of any claim made about her ability to communicate which has not been proven. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 00:12, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Amanda Baggs, Sue Rubin, and Amy Sequenzia 

message: : Do we really need to discuss flame wars on email lists? --Wikiman2718 (talk) 12:41, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't agree with your characterization as "flame wars", besides it is more notable and specific than multiple claims throughout the article attributed to "some activist". Might as well be some guy typing away from his home. Aocdnw (talk) 13:26, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Those claims cannot reasonably be used as justification to keep the section on an email dispute. I would like to see some evidence that the email dispute was more than a well-publicized flame war. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 13:48, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, "flame war" is your personal characterization and POV, no one calls it like that. Aocdnw (talk) 13:52, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have never before seen a reference to an email dispute in an encyclopedia. An email dispute must be even less notable than one that occurs on an internet forum. And I characterize it as a flame war based on its content. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 13:58, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That is Original Research, your characterization doesn't matter, only what references say. Aocdnw (talk) 14:00, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  It would only be original research if I tried to call it a flame war in the article. Such sourcing is not necessary on the talk page. If it looks like a flame war, I can call it a flame war. We don't need coverage of flame wars in this article. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 14:05, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No you can't, please read WP:OR. You would need references WP:RS calling it flame war in order for that characterization to be accepted. If you can provide them I would be happy to comply. Aocdnw (talk) 14:11, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  WP:OR states that "This policy of no original research does not apply to talk pages and other pages which evaluate article content and sources, such as deletion discussions or policy noticeboards." --Wikiman2718 (talk) 14:20, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is, calling it flame war is just your POV as far as I can see and no RS calls it like that, therefore removal on those grounds is not in question. I suggest you start Request for Comment or some similar venue, because it doesn't look like we will come to an agreement. Please do not change entire comment when you already typed and published it first. Writing it is for politeness in edit summary is very disingenuous.Aocdnw (talk) 14:25, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did not change the comment after it was replied to. I have shown you the relevant quote from WP:OR. If you want to request an outside opinion, go ahead, but his dispute seems a bit petty for that. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 14:35, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, if it is petty then drop it. Saying it is "flame war" is complete non starter. Aocdnw (talk) 14:37, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that it is a flame war, and I don't intend to include coverage of a flame war in this article if I can help it. Do you really care this much about this email dispute? I don't want to want to assume bad faith, but I think you may have a WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality. --Wikiman2718 (talk) 14:45, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Disagree, valuable information. Amazonz (talk) 09:46, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Email lists

message: A scrap on a mailing list is far, far too excessive of detail to be worth inclusion on an article on a very broad topic like this. Material on the email dispute should be removed. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:50, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree, valuable information. Amazonz (talk) 09:46, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: Here are two sources which state that the autistic community condemns Autism Speaks. The fist actually says "disability community".
:Both articles that claim to speak for the autistic community are published by The Autistic Self Advocacy Network. Since they are an advocacy group, I believe this violates the good research part of Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. Are there independent sources that define the autistic community and who represents them? 75.166.85.137 (talk) 07:58, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Disabled world does not appear to be written by ASAN, as far as I can tell. --Licks-rocks (talk) 11:07, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Cite this page on the bottom: The Autistic Self Advocacy Network. (2009, September 27). Autistic Community Condemns Autism Speaks. Disabled World. Retrieved November 7, 2021 from www.disabled-world.com/health/neurology/autism/autism-speaks-video.php 75.166.85.137 (talk) 23:08, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Autism community

message: The section is "views". It is the view of the autism rights movement that autism is a difference. Sometimes it is also considered as a disability. --66.244.121.212 (talk) 21:41, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The view being described belongs to the American psychological association, rather than the autism rights movement. I would agree with you that the current content of the chapter could be better, but I don't think your change improves it. Please find some sources to support your point and rewrite some of the current versiion, rather than just removing chunks. If you want, you can even rewrite the entire chapter. (though I would recommend placing the proposed change for review on the talk page first, so we can go over it and make sure it is an improvement on the previous version before inserting it, as it's a fairly large change.) --Licks-rocks (talk) 10:00, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert 

message: Why is Michaelangelo featured here? The Autism rights movement did not exist during the period which Michaelangelo was alive and this does not make him a notable individual for the campaign of autism rights. It should be omitted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by APDHistorian (talk • contribs) 11:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable individuals 

message: why is the term aspergers syndrome used in this article? its own wikipedia page refers to it as outdated, and it hasn't been used in an official capacity for almost a decade. Cyan-Prince (talk) 00:15, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I really thing the entire section with "Aspergers" needs to be completely re done and added in something about the controversial nature of the term as it is an issue in the autism rights movement. Hans aspergers was a nazi and the term is completely outdated! Bottledfizz (talk) 02:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  the term "Aspergers Syndrome" 

message: Twice now I've altered the image description for the "rainbow infinity" symbol from describing it as a neurodiversity symbol to specifically a symbol for autism. Both the citation on the page and the reputable sources I've been able to find in my own research have only made reference to the symbols use for autism, there is no mention of the broader neurodiversity movement. If people are going to keep changing the description to say that it's a symbol of the neurodiversity at large, they should also be providing a good quality source to cite for that, rather than leaving the current source which only makes reference to it's use relating to autistic people.
Waitingtocompile (talk) 15:24, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the rainbow infinity was never made for neurodiversity as a whole, it was only used for Autism Pride Day and overwhelming amounts of victims of autism or allies eventually erroneously used the symbol that only really belongs  to that was arguably the considered the biggest name under neurodiversity, for said umbrella term. Sheragirl10 (talk) 12:06, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rainbow infinity meaning, autism specific or neurodiversity wide 

message: Why do we got a redirect page if Autism rights movement isn't a movement for neurodivergent as a whole? I mean why, specifically? There are literally other disability observed movements that focus on other disorders and disabilities under the neurodiversity umbrella. Sheragirl10 (talk) 11:57, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there a redirect page to "Neurodiversity movement"? 

message: The redirect Neurodiversity movement has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  --MikutoH  talk!  01:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Neurodiversity movement]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]