Talk:Hobart Freeman/Archive 1

message: All of the articles originally quotes are POV and are no facts at all. I quoted facts. And if this article keeps getting changed, I will change it back.
This article is almost entirely POV, with no sources. Hopefully we can clean it up as part of the Charismatic project. David L Rattigan 22:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: To answer your question on the challenge: You cannot see love but love is there. How? But showing you the truth.
And BTW...the new title of the book "Positive Thinking and Confession" is now "Biblical Thinking and Confession." Please do not change it back to the old title. Because it is incorrect. If you do, I will keep on correcting it.  
As I said before, you are quoting from biased sources when you quote newspapers and that Dictionary.  How do you know they are not neutral?  You know for yourself that Freeman had his enemies, including those from the "views" media.  That is why he told the church "No Comment" to the media.
And finally, I do not need your prayers. Thank you. I have the word of God. I have been taught by an anointed man of God. It is you that need my prayers and those who have left the church.  I read a lot of anger and resentlment from people who have left that church. I know some of the things that went on and am still searching. I do show love and compassion now adays for them.  They need prayer.  But to blame everything on Freeman is wrong. You know yourself that the membership caused a lot of their own problems too. That is without question.
And, until you get all the facts right, I will keep changing the article, or I will write one of my own.
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I will do what I can:
1) Theological assertions as documented by 69.246.215.52 are essentially emotive, subjective or cannot be substantiated, and were dropped or rewritten in a more appropriate format.
2) The one error of fact also identified by 69.246.215.52 was corrected, namely being a leader in the Word of Faith Movement.
3) The extra theological emphases were included to make the theological basis wider and more inclusive.
4) I did attend Faith Assembly for a time as did several of my family, and have consulted them and several others who did likewise. To protect them from harassment, I will not supply their names, but if you look at the feedback link you will see comments from others.
5) Other sources include articles from Christianity Today, Warsaw Times Union and Goshen News, biography from the Dictionary of Pentacostal and Charismatic Movements, three or four of his books which I have read to varying degrees, and conversations over the years with one of his sons and his wife, specifically on incidences concerning the death of his grandson, praying over the body and clothes at the end of the bed. In all cases, I toned down the details to avoid emotive language, hyperbolae and unnecessary offence.
6) I will cite the sources for the quotes in the article, once this dissention has calmed down, when it will be worth my while to do so, but in the meantime look at the link to the Warsaw Times Union where you will find them all.
Finally, I doubt whether you will accept any of this, as your passion for the man seems to have overwhelmed any claim you might have to a rational detached perspective. You delete what you find objectionable, insert what pleases you, and condemn with generalization and emotion, making your editing more like slash-and-burn. 
Consequently I issue you with a challenge. As an admirer of Hobart Freeman, I assume you would call yourself a Christian. If that is correct, shouldn't you be correcting me in love? Where is the love? I only see hate and a narrowness of vision that is crippling. Consequently you have my pity and my prayers.
--Jgk168421 05:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled discussion]

message: I don't have a good idea for the section titles, but I think they need to be changed.  As they currently stand they are: tribulations, final tribulation, further tribulations (which contains only one tribulation).  Anyone have any good ideas? --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 17:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section titles 

message: This article seems to be written from one side of some obscure sectarian battle. Could we have something a bit more encyclopaediac? m.e. 10:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sectarian  

message: I was livng in the Glory Barn when it burnt. It's was my two sons in the bedroom that was on fire. 
Brendan and Peggy (Nusbaum) Wahl rescued thier two sons, Lee and Joel from a burning bed on the 3rd floor of the Glory Barn. Someone had set the wood under the overhang on fire, which burnt up through the pantry on the second floor into the bed on the 3rd floor. Also resuced was a daughter Penny. I know who the supect was but arson is very hard to prove. 
If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask. 
Pnusbaum 23:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Living in the Glory Barn  

message: If this is the case, please add your name against the reference where this is mentioned in the article, to give it credability. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.55.158.187 (talk) 01:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment on Living in the Glory Barn  

message: This is fascinating information; particularly interesting to me personally because I attended a church in OK that was greatly influenced by the concepts and teachings of Dr. Hobart Freeman.  Although the revision process seems to have been a bit difficult due to emotional and subjective nature of the topic, I think the revised article is greatly improved.  The discussion is excellent as well.  Keep pounding away at this one!  I'm convinced a good description of this bit of American religious history will emerge.  Keep up the good work.  
Is there an appropriate way to add this statement about the burning of the Glory Barn by Pnusbaum to the article? 
--BeauThomasJarvis 04:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotations 

message: Dear 71.243.21.111, 
Thank you for adding more thorough sourcing to the article...now could you please stop adding the word anointed to describe the tapes! Removing the rational discussion pertaining to the use of the word doesn't make it neutral, and I'm sure you will agree that the word's inclusion isn't necessary, nor does it make the article more helpful to anyone. Ditto on "teachings of Hobart Freeman" -> "the word of God".
Thanks.
--72.86.114.38 23:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  On 'anointed'