Talk:2007 Irish general election

message: This article is premature - it has the wrong name because nobody knows when the election will be, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball --Henrygb 21:23, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Premature

message: I've changed the reference to the latest possible date for the election. The five year period is calculated not from the date of the previous general election (17 May 2002) but from the date of the first meeting of the 29th Dáil (6 June 2002). This means that the Dáil must be dissolved within five years from that date: see Constitution of Ireland Art 16.5 and Electoral Act, 1992 s 33. The general election must then take place not later than thirty days after the date of dissolution: Art 16.3.2° and Electoral Act, 1992 s 96(1)(a). --Todowd 15:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've read so many articles lately which assume that the election will be in May 07 to consider this move safe. —Nightstallion (?) 18:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A week is a long time in politics (the coalition could collapse tomorrow and we'd have an early election). So I've changed it back, and added Lenihan's comments as a suggested date. Also as far as I can see it is still possible for the election to take place in 2006 (there appears to be no constitutional minimum time allowed between the dissolution of the Dáil and an election, just a maximum time) so I propose to move it back. Demiurge 18:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mh. I'd prefer to put some research into whether there's really no minimum time allotted, and then to consider how likely it is that there will be elections this year -- if we should come to the conclusion that it's still realistically possible to have elections in 2006, this article should be at Next Irish general election, not the former title, to make it have the same title as the other elections with indeterminate dates. D'accord? —Nightstallion (?) 19:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Fair enough; still, I'll move it to next Irish general election to standardise it with other articles of the same type. —Nightstallion (?) 21:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Latest date for election

message: I would like to resurrect my previous idea to change the current naming convention for elections. The current convention is:
:Use the format "Demonym type election, date", for example "Canadian federal election, 1867"...  (WP:NAME#Elections}
I propose this is changed to allow two alternatives, as follows:
:Use either this form: political division type election, date, or this form: political division election of date. For example, Canadian federal election, 1867 or Canadian federal election of 1867.  Where an article has been created using one form, do not move the article to the other form.
This new option would make linking more natural and make the article names more encyclopedic.
Please comment on this proposal at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions#New elections proposal
Thanks AndrewRT(Talk) 23:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming convention 

message: Is there a restriction on Dual mandates preventing holding both a Dáil(national) and a European Parliament seat? It was brought in, in the North recently, which led to John Hume and Ian Paisley standing down, I had assumed it was handed down from Brussels Fasach Nua 16:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a recollection that the bar included an exception for five years for incumbant dual mandatees to make it easier to bring in. Timrollpickering 17:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: See previous elections eg Irish general election, 2002 for an example of how the Membership changes section will look after the election has taken place, when some candidates will have lost their seats.  Given that some candidates are retiring, there WILL be changes.  A list of candidates sounds like a lot of work.  There are already candidate lists on wiki.politics.ie and ElectionsIreland.org--Rye1967 11:43, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dáil membership changes

message: Doesn't make any sense to me, I've changed it. —Nightstallion (?) 10:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Ceann Comhairle does not have to stand for election. Have changed it back.--Dub8lad1 10:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "for the 165 of the 166 Dáil Éireann seats." 

message: Tautology or bungled attempt to actually say something?
Not a tautology: "Outgoing TDs" refers to all the members of the previous (dissolved) Dail. This is a typical term you will hear and see used in the Irish media.
:I had added that sentence in advance of the election in response to the above comments questioning the need for the Membership changes title, as a hint to readers that after the election there would likely be some who had lost their seats, but of course there was also the tiny possibility that non would lose seats in this election so I couldn't write that it would happen for certain.  Now that it has taken place and some have lost seats, I have replaced the offending sentence. :) --Rye1967 19:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "At every election, some outgoing TDs have lost their seats." 

message: Do we want to update the table as results come in - or do it all at once at the end? (FF just got the first result - candidate returned in Dub Mid-West). BastunBaStun not BaTsun 13:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incoming results 

message: I can't put this in any article, since it's OR, but I think it's interesting all the same: if you look at the results of every alternate election since 1989, it becomes clear that very little has changed at all!  Worth bearing in mind whenever anybody talks about "seismic shifts" etc.
Irish General Elections – 1989 - 2007                                     	Irish General Elections – 1989 - 2007                                     	Irish General Elections – 1989 - 2007                                     	Irish General Elections – 1989 - 2007                                     	Irish General Elections – 1989 - 2007                                     	Irish General Elections – 1989 - 2007                                     	Irish General Elections – 1989 - 2007                                     	Irish General Elections – 1989 - 2007
Party                                                                           	Party                                                                           	1989                                                                            	Seats1997                                                                       	2007                                                                            	1989                                                                            	% vote1997                                                                      	2007
                                                                                	Fianna Fáil                                                                     	77                                                                              	77                                                                              	78                                                                              	44.1                                                                            	39.3                                                                            	41.6
                                                                                	Fine Gael                                                                       	55                                                                              	54                                                                              	51                                                                              	29.3                                                                            	27.9                                                                            	27.3
                                                                                	Labour Party                                                                    	21*                                                                             	21*                                                                             	20                                                                              	13.1*                                                                           	12.9*                                                                           	10.1
                                                                                	Progressive Democrats                                                           	6                                                                               	4                                                                               	2                                                                               	5.5                                                                             	4.7                                                                             	2.7
                                                                                	Green Party                                                                     	1                                                                               	2                                                                               	6                                                                               	1.5                                                                             	2.8                                                                             	4.7
                                                                                	Sinn Féin                                                                       	0                                                                               	1                                                                               	4                                                                               	1.2                                                                             	2.6                                                                             	6.9
                                                                                	Others                                                                          	6                                                                               	7                                                                               	5                                                                               	5.3                                                                             	9.8                                                                             	6.7
Totals                                                                          	Totals                                                                          	166                                                                             	166                                                                             	166                                                                             	100.0                                                                           	100.0                                                                           	100.0
*includes total of Labour plus those WP or DL TDs who subsequently joined Labour	*includes total of Labour plus those WP or DL TDs who subsequently joined Labour	*includes total of Labour plus those WP or DL TDs who subsequently joined Labour	*includes total of Labour plus those WP or DL TDs who subsequently joined Labour	*includes total of Labour plus those WP or DL TDs who subsequently joined Labour	*includes total of Labour plus those WP or DL TDs who subsequently joined Labour	*includes total of Labour plus those WP or DL TDs who subsequently joined Labour	
Scolaire 17:16, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's interesting stuff. I don't think it's original research if you just complied the data from official sources though, maybe it could be used in some article, perhaps as part of a more general analysis of Irish elections. --Hibernian 16:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It's very interesting (and a little depressing), but I think you're right that it's ORish.  Maybe you should write a letter to the Irish Times, and then get someone to quote you. :)  (It did occur to me that we were essentially back to where we were two elections ago, but I was out of the country the week following the election, so I'm not up on commentary on the matter.)  Alai 13:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes over the last 20 years

message: Just a clarification the table does indicate that the first preferences proportion for Fianna Fail increased by a marginal 0.1% on the last election. Thou' thats hardly squeezing the smaller parties, and Green Party and Sinn Fein actually increased their proportion of votes. Djegan 22:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proportion of votes - Fianna Fail

message: I added a new table to the article as the larger table is fairly messy.Please don't delete it. 
The H-Man2 18:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Table

message: Should entities that are not political parties (e.g., ICP, Fathers' Rights, etc.) be listed in the table showing the percentages/numbers of first preferences by party?  What about People Before Profit, who registered after the deadline (which we'll need a cite for)?  Technically, its factually incorrect to list them on the table; but it does provide useful comparison information.  Maybe an asterisk next to those entities' names, pointing to the information added today: ? BastunBaStun not BaTsun 16:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I'd be happy with the asterix approach.  It's a similar approach to that eventually agreed on the position of Republican Sinn Fein's candidates in the Northern Ireland Assembly election, 2007. Warofdreams talk 18:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Parties"/not parties 

message: The numbers of first preference votes don't add up to the total.
I don't know how to edit the table but the numbers that need to be fixed are:
People Before Profit 9,333
Fathers Rights 1,355
Immigration Control 1,329
Irish Socialist Network 505
Independent 106,429
Invalid votes [a new line] 19,435
The table will now sum correctly.
The numbers can be found at both electionsireland.org and http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/publications/Electoral_Handbook1.pdf
Remember, the four party affiliations above weren't listed on the ballots so if we want to keep them in the table (which I think is a good idea) we have to remove those votes from the total for independents.
Electionsireland.org lists Gerry Browne in Kildare North as Independent Labour. If we add Independent Labour to the table we need to make the following additional adjustments.
Independent Labour [a new line] 145
Independent 106,284
:Thanks, I have added in the updated figures, including the spoilt votes. Not adding Independent Labour as the table is big enough already, and its just a 1 person splinter group. Snappy (talk) 08:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: After the change the percentages didn't reflect the numbers of votes.  I'll update the percentages.--Cavrdg (talk) 16:58, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Table of Results 

message: I've created graphical representations of every Irish election result to add to each election article. The information in the graphics have been checked and double checked, if anyone notices any errors however please do notify me.
Due to the large amount of Irish parties that claim green as their colour, I decided to choose a gold/yellow scheme for Fianna Fail, as that party claim them as their alternate colours. This prevents the party from being confused with Sinn Féin, the Green Party or other republican groups in the earlier election.
I hope people enjoy the graphics and find them useful.
JandK87 (talk) 18:51, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Graphic

message: The 'last election' referred to in the info box is the 2002 election. But for readers today, 2007 is the last election. This is confusing. It would be more accurate to refer to the 2002 election as the 'previous election' or just the '2002 election'. When I try to edit this line, the whole line disappears. How can it be changed? Asmaybe (talk) 11:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Last election' in info box 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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