Talk:Norm Macdonald/Archive 1

message: why isn't there anything in here about all of the anti-transgendered stuff he said on weekend update?? i think the fact that he has beef with the queer community should DEFINITLEY be on here, since adolf hitler's page is all about him hating/slaughtering jews, you know? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.65.25.220 (talk) 03:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial text

message: "footballer-turned-acquitted of all charges" is bad grammar and nonsensical usage to boot, so I've removed it.  I understand what the editor was likely trying to do, namely remove perceived bias from the previous statement "footballer-turned-suspected murderer".  I'm going to play grammar gestapo here and remove that reference as well, not for bias as he was suspected of murder at the time Norm was released from SNL, but because of the way it was worded.  If the author wants to reintroduce this text, please rewrite it into more formal English.  Isotope23 16:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad grammar

message: Added a filmography. Only includes movies at the moment, but maybe someone wants to expand on it to include his numerous television appearences. --Relax Relapse 23:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography 

message: I have assessed this as Start Class, as it contains more detail and information than would be expected of a Stub, but requires more cleanup, inline citations and referencing. I have assessed this as Mid importance, as I do feel that the subject of this article is well-known outside of Canada. Cheers, CP 17:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 14:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: The article should include mention of his appearance on Celebrity Who Wants to be a Millionaire.  I don't know the date of his appearance.  He was the last one to make it to the stage because of his (purposely?) poor performance on the fastest finger questions.  However, once on stage he did very well.  He should have been the only celebrity to actually win the million dollars for his charity.  He verbally stated the correct answer to the million dollar question, but host Regis Philbin talked him out of submitting it as his "final answer."  Norm looked visibly upset after it was revealed that his answer was in fact correct.
I remember that. "Okay, fine. Final Answer." "But you would've been right!" DeathWeed 07:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celebrity Millionaire 

message: I'm not positive he was in Complaint Box.  Imdb lists it as him, but it was only a voice, and he wasn't credited in the episode.  Additionally, the role of Jimmy's Lawyer was taken over by Drake Sather (a newsradio producer/writer), who sounded kinda like Norm.  Unless someone knows of another source (not drawing from imdb) that says it was Norm, I'd suggest removing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bsteger (talk • contribs) 07:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newsradio 

message: this line . . . "(which may be accentual, due to his French-Canadian upbringing)" makes no sense to me. I was born and raised in Québec, but as an English-Quebecer. Norm MacDonald did not have a "French-Canadian upbringing." I'm going to remove that line, unless somebody has proof.--RobNS 04:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  French-Canadian upbringing? 

message: i don't think middle schools teach whole courses on genetics per se. it was probably a biology course.Toyokuni3 (talk) 15:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Genetics?

message: I don't think high schools hire genetics teachers, maybe science teachers.Landroo (talk) 12:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetics Teacher? 

message: I don't remember anyone by the name of Steve in the game.  There's no one by the name of Steve in the credits in the manual, and Norm MacDonald is not listed either.  If someone could clear this up, I'd appreciate it. IncoherentMoron (talk) 04:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GTA IV Character? 

message: It's Macdonald, not MacDonald.
Check his web site: http://www.normnews.com
As well, CBC.ca says his brother Neil's name is spelled Macdonald. Alaric the Goth 00:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: normnews.com (and norm-macdonald.net) is a fansite, not his website.  Also, IMDB says MacDonald with Macdonald as an "alternate name."  Who knows.  Davewho2 02:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The logo for The Fake News has his name spelled with a lowercase D.  Every instance on the page, actually.  I'm sure it's something he would want to be presented correctly, his own name and all, being spelled wrong for all these years.  I think that's enough proof to start spelling his name correctly on here. 24.224.235.151 (talk) 03:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention, the Dirty Work movie poster and the product description of his comedy album, Ridiculous (but not the actual album itself, which would have been helpful). 24.224.235.151 (talk) 03:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I fixed it to represent his proper name. I went to all the trouble of determining the proper spelling of his name (see former ip 24.224.etc.etc), and I am 97% certain the D is lowercase. I made sure to update as many pages referencing him as I could, and even signed in using an old account to transfer the page to its proper place (back then). So as far as I'm concerned, it's correct. And now I gotta go see if any other pages were wronged. 208.103.232.115 (talk) 09:42, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

text: "Design by Gigglechick.com" tells me that perhaps Norm didn't make his own MySpace page, which leads me to believe that maybe he didn't type in his own information. Maybe he did, though. Seeing as how his Facebook page (linked to from his MySpace page, and perhaps a much better indicator of how he spells his name) also has an uppercase D, I'm more inclined to believe it is so. But maybe I'd rather wait until we hear concrete proof of how he spells it, "straight from the horse's mouth" as it were. (That's right, Norm, I'm calling you a horse.) Perhaps he doesn't care one way or the other, and he finds this name-spelling war ridiculous and hilarious. As for the "no self-respecting Scotsman" remark, I must bring up the first Prime Minister of Canada, Sir John A. Macdonald, born in Glasgow. Or maybe even Kelly Macdonald, that actress with the red hair that identifies herself as Scottish. -76.11.9.9 (talk) 13:21, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Or any of the people listed on the Macdonald page. (Worth a read, no?) -76.11.9.9 (talk) 13:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Norm's Twitter, YouTube, website, and two separate Facebook pages indicate that his name is spelled with a capital D, but at the same time paint Norm to be very technologically illiterate, getting others to make his websites and such. I think at this point, that old nag doesn't care one whit about the spelling of his name. -76.11.9.9 (talk) 14:12, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Let's start spelling his name right

message: After carrying out the move I noticed that the article spells the name with a capital D—that is, MacDonald, as opposed to Macdonald, while the move request I carried out was from a lowercase spelling to lowercase spelling. Some above talked about the capitalization issue in relation to other titles, but it seems no one, including me, picked up on that there is a question about this regarding the comedian . Searching Google books for <"norm macdonald" "saturday night live">, while MacDonald is more common, there are many with the lowercase spelling as well. Can we get some clarity on this secondary issue? I don't think we need a formal move request for this.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, you're right. I totally didn't notice that and just assumed the title used the correct spelling, but I'm pretty sure now that MacDonald is right -- for one thing, it's what's used on the official MySpace page. I agree the article should be moved to Norm MacDonald and that a formal move request should be unnecessary. Propaniac (talk) 14:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's done.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps Norm Macdonald (disambiguation) should undergo a similar move to be consistent with the primary topic spelling and because only one of the four entries is spelt "Macdonald".  —  AjaxSmack  17:16, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. Propaniac (talk) 17:21, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems logical and I'll do it now.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:50, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

text: I do see how the debate can "go further" because how his name his properly capitalized is not at all clear to me from what you've said. I am not saying you are wrong, but you haven't sewn it up at all. His name is capitalized all over the map in both official and unofficial sources. Visiting the Comedy Central page, I don't see where his name is given with the lowercase d in the title as you've indicated; I only see it spelled in all caps. The bio page does use the all lowercase but CC's internal page has no more weight than many other places where it is spelled with the upper case D from sources with an apparent imprimatur of a major organization involved with him. Regarding the show's name, the New York Times, for example, present the shows title with the upper case D (1, 2). Turning away from the sports show in particular, it appears Norm co-authored a book where his name was spelled with the upper case D: 3. The SNL archives has his name with the upper case D: 4, and as noted in the discussion above, most convincingly as to the way Norm Macd/Donald himself actually spells it (which is a concern you've focused on), his Facebook page uses the uppercase D: 5 and he signs posts there in that manner. He also has a link to his myspace page where his name is also given with the uppercase D. This is the only material I've seen where one might say that this is probably Norm's own hand at work in presenting his own name. But there's more. His own post at the Facebook page from September 2010 says "getting new site up at normmacdonald.com" and if you visit that, you see again his apparent own spelling of his own name with an uppercase D.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I prefer the more familiar "MacDonald".  However, Comedy Central is 100% consistent (its everywhere if you look just a little bit harder) throughout all its web pages (and on window top title-bars) and press releases on spelling it Macdonald and spelling it "Sports Show with Norm Macdonald".  Since Norm is a producer and host of "Sports Show with Norm Macdonald", I thought that was how he was currently (in 2011) spelling his name. I assumed he would have corrected all that if it was wrong, wouldn't you think?  My computer won't open his Twitter, Myspace and Facebook accounts, so I'll take your word about Myspace and Facebook unless someone says otherwise.  Now, is he just having fun with changing the spelling of his name to the way he is currently spelling it on this particular new show, but not on his myspace or Facebook, who knows?  It may be an insider joke or something...I don't know.  As far as the print press, I dismiss them outright because journalists are notorious for assuming name spellings...remember the old-saw about the press, "Just spell my name right."  I guess until someone digs up his birth certificate in Canada (here we go again! ugh!), you are right...this won't be settled after all.  I stand corrected...this nonsense goes on, and on, and....!  By the way, I see this was being debated here since at least 2007.  Just curious, how and when did this first get started outside Wiki?  Did he do some work before 2007 with credit of MacDonald and the internet blog debate started there? Has Norm ever commented about this on twitter or facebook?  Has anyone ever asked Norm?  It's past time someone did.RedEyedCajun (talk) 07:47, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I was not aware of the previous discussion higher on this page. I'll start a debate below for community input. The move discussion above was not focused on the capitalization issue at all, thus the "afternote". Hopefully we can get some clarity on the issue, at least until such time as Mr. Macd/Donald drops by, and it would also be nice to settle the manner his name should be presented in the article.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:40, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Move afternote: proper capitalization of title?

message: - I'm pretty sure that Norm isnt bilingual - he grew up in Quebec, and has said several times that he didnt learn French, but instead learned Latin. In addition, lots of English people growing up in Quebec didnt learn French, due to cultural conflict, back in the 50s/60s/70s.
- He said in this interview (http://www.comedycouch.com/interviews/nmacdonald.htm) that he didn't learn to speak French, and took Latin in high school. I doubt he's fluent in Latin, and therefore not bilingual.
He said on the Tonight show that he isn't Scottish. His family - originally Polish - changed their name.
- That was for the purposes of a joke and goes against what he's said many times, which is that he is Scottish.  At least his father is.  I have seen people say that his mother is Jewish because her name was Cohen, but it's also an Irish name and he mentioned in passing on a podcast recently (I can't remember what podcast) that she is Irish.  Mole Playing Rough (talk) 07:52, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only does it not seem like he's bilingual, but referring to him as a "bilingual Cananadian actor and comedian" puts too much emphasis on the "bilingual" thing for no reason. Deleted, it can be re-added if anyone has proof he's bilingual. --68.149.181.145 04:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bilingual 

message: im hesitant to remove it, but i changed the wording. i dont think a link to a radio interview recording is valid. and, of course, he may be joking, as he is a comedian...Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He has also said multiple times that he enjoys women. Do not take anything Norm says in one of his appearances at face value!!! Seriously. He is a comedian who thrives on saying stuff that that is untrue for the sake of a joke. There are way to many mentions here of the stuff that Norm has falsely stated in appearances.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.233.201 (talk) 01:38, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Asexuality

message: Originally, this was ==Politics== and someone deleted the section.  I put it back, renamed it, and noted the paradox of his claiming to be apolitical, and still making political jokes.  That Clinton joke got Norm a lot of free publicity.  I added (see Vince Foster) to put the Clinton joke in context. --Lexein 07:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political humor

message: www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a1417874830.htm and Google Newsgroup archive - both refer to Norm on the 11/16/2000 "The View" joking "Clinton... he killed a guy..." .   Still seeking video or official transcript of that appearance.  At least the date is right.  Notable because Norm joked about Clinton in this manner for many years, including SNL's Weekend Update(1996).  This doesn't go in the main article yet. --Lexein 06:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: political humor bookmark

message: Nationality was listed as French Canadian.  Two things wrong with this.  One, that's not a nationality (Quebec is not a separate country yet), and two, just because he's from Quebec does not mean he's French-Canadian.  I've changed to just Canadian.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.149.244 (talk) 01:46, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  French-Canadian? 

message: Norm has said that he reads a lot of books by Russian authors, particularly Tolstoy. He says that they are his comedic influences. http://wsf1027fm.blogspot.fi/2012/07/podcast-episode-287ish-norm-macdonald.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.81.204 (talk) 16:14, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences 

message: http://www.bdcwire.com/heres-the-really-weird-story-norm-macdonald-told-about-bob-dylan-last-night/
Norm Macdonald on Bob Dylan if it is of any use here? EDLIS Café  20:03, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like it's just a description of a dream he had. I would say there's no reason to work it in. Ptprs (talk) 08:07, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob Dylan  

message: So all his bios say he was born in 1963, but a couple weeks ago Geoff Edgers at The Washington Post did a story about Norm where he claimed he was born in 1959. The story can be read here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/entertainment/norm-macdonald/
The relevant line is this: "He tells everyone he was born in 1963, but he was really born in 1959." 
This has now seemingly been confirmed by Norm's brother Neil Macdonald, who works for CBC News. Neil put out an article today about Norm's new book: http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/arts/norm-macdonald-book-1.3740268 
It includes a photo of the two of them as children, accompanied by this caption: "Norm Macdonald's first day of school in Valcartier, Que., circa 1964. Norm was five in this photo, and his brother Neil, on the right, was seven."
Later he writes: "I've known Norm for nearly 57 years, and still can't say I know what he really thinks."
Regardless of what the bios say, I think it's pretty clear the guy was born in '59. Certainly his brother has no reason to lie. As far as the day and the month, Edgers refers to Norm as 56 rather than 57, which would mean his birthday hasn't yet come around this year. Similarly, Neil says he's known Norm for NEARLY 57 years. This would lead me to believe the October 17 date might very well be correct, we've just got the wrong year. However, that's just speculation.
With all this said, I recommend changing Norm's birth date to 1959, with no day or month until those are confirmed.
Agreed?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.253.251 (talk) 15:49, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. However, it needed to be properly cited and formatted, which I've done. -- Tenebrae (talk) 16:52, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthdate 

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message: This article is due for an overhaul. It's full of fan-centric trivia and minutiae, draws too heavily from primary sources (e.g. SNL episodes, passing quotes and interviews) which neglects due weight and makes this read more like one person's analysis of Macdonald ("As of May 2017, Macdonald has continued to evolve in his standup" reads like pure editor opinion, and actually says nothing). The Career section needs better structure than mere chronology. I'll e working to improve structure and coverage in the coming weeks. --Animalparty! (talk) 21:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs clean-up 

message: Norm does not have a sister named Leslie. He has a brother whose name is Leslie. For some strange reason, I correct this and it shows up again.71.247.229.53 02:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life  

message: the political views section is little more than an assortment of two or three political jokes and a quote concerning his stance on comedie about politicians.
so why does it exist? to me it just looks like overzealous trivia noting, and i think it should be removed. 
ad the one or two facts in somewhere in the article.
whole heartedly: somebody who gets mad at bloted wikepedia articles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E2:373C:1A3B:EC08:CB9D:6261:6B38 (talk) 17:12, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: On the bright side, at least there aren't sections dedicated to cobbling together his socioeconomic, ethnographic and homoerotic views regarding the Germans, the women and the midgets. That's where an overzealous cherrypicker could really do some political damage, inadvertent or otherwise. But after pondering these jokes for the last fourteen months, it seems they exist because nobody has deleted them yet. Ergo, they're non-objectionable, by modern online standards of decency. Are they important? Hell no! But they're "alright". Until someone's offended enough to agree with you, I mean. Good luck! InedibleHulk (talk) 06:44, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why in gods name is there a "political views" section? 

message: Right now it is just SNL and post-SNL, and the post-SNL section is a just series of short career updates, patchwork project by project. In a way it's fair, as his career has been somewhat inconsistent since SNL, and his profile perhaps hasn't been as high as it was during Weekend Update. Still I think it could be improved and I'd suggest strusturing it with headings on his standup and standup specials, his TV and Netflix shows, his podcast, and maybe his chat show appearances. Would make everything a bit clearer if nothing else. --Otsima (talk) 14:50, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better way to divide up career section? 

message: " During the February 24, 1996, episode, Macdonald made a controversial joke about the sentencing of John Lotter, one of the two men who committed the notorious murder of Brandon Teena:[21][22]
    In Falls City, Nebraska, John Lotter has been sentenced to death for attempting to kill three people in what prosecutors called a plot to silence a cross-dressing female who had accused him of rape. Now this might strike some viewers as harsh, but I believe everyone involved in this story should die."
There are sources, but they seem kinda weak. The Menace letter seems like it's on the level of a blog post, basically. I don't think this was a sufficiently large controversy to merit inclusion. If someone has a substantitive disagreement about the size of the controversy or the standards for what should be included in this article, then speak now. If no one replies to this, I'll check back in a month or so and delete the Brandon Teena section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benevolent Prawn (talk • contribs) 21:11, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious to say that this Brandon Teena section is notable 

message: MacDonald was a full time writer and performer on SNL starting in September 1993. Both The Drew Carey Show and NewsRadio started on TV in fall 1995, but the lead says that he guest-starred on those shows before joining SNL. Predestiprestidigitation (talk) 07:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Chronology in lead is messed up

message: This peeve of Norm's might be worth noting, as a the journalism class journalizes about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.59.126.42 (talk) 23:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Dislike of the Term "Lost Battle With Cancer"

message: :Macdonald died from cancer in Los Angeles on September 14, 2021, at age 61. He had been diagnosed with the disease nine years prior, but had not publicly disclosed it.[74][75] 
This quote was attributed to Macdonald by someone on the internet.  At the moment I don't have a more exact source, but Macdonald supposedly said of his experience with cancer, "If you die, the cancer also dies at exactly the same time. That to me isn't losing a battle, it is a draw."  An interesting take.  Maybe that quote is usable with sufficient attribution. 2602:24A:DE47:B8E0:1B43:29FD:A863:33CA (talk) 22:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I found this source, however as the quote is dated as happening more than 9 years ago; before his diagnosis, many editors would deem it not relevant enough for inclusion. If someone wants to WP:BEBOLD and add it, be my guest — IVORK Talk 00:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

text: I just found it  here too, which also cites it as being from 2011.  But it's from today, and uses the quote in reporting about Macdonald's death from cancer, so I think it sufficiently connects the two events.  Therefore I'd support using it.  (Edited).  2602:24A:DE47:B8E0:1B43:29FD:A863:33CA (talk) 01:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  View on death 

message: Shouldn't we avoid saying he's dead, since it's not true? 146.196.38.76 (talk) 21:28, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: CNN has reported it and several celebrities have confirmed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:400:5601:50ca:fcd8:9f1a:8327 (talk) 06:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: On Norm Macdonald's purported death

message: No mention of Carlton?--Artaxerxes (talk) 13:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  University 

message: Norm said his age was 68 during a standup show, "Norm Macdonald does standup about coronavirus," posted on YouTube Mar 13, 2020 at 4:40 into the sketch.  Johnnyrev (talk) 15:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hard to believe what Norm says during one of his routines. He also talks about the drain from cocaine, do you believe that ?  - FlightTime (open channel) 15:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

text: I saw that. There didn't seem to be any reason for him to be joking about it. He seemed to be speaking philosophically about his possible death and he said he was "68 years young" (and got some applause), and he did not follow it up with any kind of joke or indication that he might be pretending to be older than he was. If he was telling the truth at the time, that would put his age at death at 69 years old; he would have been 70 next month (October 2021). Is it possible he had previously pretended he was younger than he was, for professional reasons? Embram (talk) 23:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it is what it is, he's on stage at a comedy club doing his act, not pondering life and death, it's an act....  - FlightTime (open channel) 15:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: WAIT! You mean to tell me he's not a talking pidgeon? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:51, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Age at death

message: I noticed that a new Toronto Star article specifically gives the place of death as a hospital in Pasadena, California.  This is courtesy of the family, and seems quite specific, so it might be true. (And it wouldn't surprise me to see Pasadena referred to in a non-California article as bare LA). Worth keeping in mind... Nohomersryan (talk) 13:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I take it that the article here listing the place of death as Los Angeles is not correct?  73.167.238.120 (talk) 15:39, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is common for cities within Los Angeles County to be referred to as 'Los Angeles', especially by out-of-the-region news sources. Examples of this with Pasadena and Santa Monica are common. Both are within the county; both are cities in their own right. Rainbow-five (talk) 23:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of death 

message: Macdonald repeatedly ridiculed public figures such as Bob Dole, Marion Barry, Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, and O. J. Simpson. Throughout Simpson's murder trial, Macdonald constantly pilloried the retired American football star, with the premise Simpson was guilty of the brutal slaying of his ex-wife and her friend, not 'innocent until proven guilty', the right of every American under law (in real life, not in Norm's joke). On October 7, 1995, after Simpson had been acquitted on Tuesday, Macdonald opened Saturday Night's 'Weekend Update' by saying, "Well, it's finally official; murder is legal in the state of California." Rolling Stone said, "When, on SNL’s first episode after O.J. Simpson’s acquittal, he pronounced that “murder is legal in the state of California,” you could feel from the look on his face, the sound of the crowd, that he had just delivered the best late-night joke of all time. He knew it, and he wasn’t even smug. He was just pleased about his craftsmanship."
If anybody has a problem, please let me knowTillywilly17 (talk) 18:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted this. OJ is covered in the section below, the  part is pure WP:SYNTH. There's also no need for a quote of his joke, and a quote from a magazine about it, as that is WP:UNDUE. Lastly, the  is just poorly written. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:01, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: fine Tillywilly17 (talk) 19:10, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

text: If the joke is widely covered as a brilliant stand-out joke for SNL and Weekend Update, then there's an argument for including it. The rest is probably too wordy. Solipsism 101 (talk) 12:48, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restored semi-deleted paragraph 

message: This page doesn't mention any awards or honours bestowed on Norm. How could that be possible??
96.127.198.43 (talk) 18:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards & Honours 

message: I'm not exactly sure how to write it, on a locked page (never "suggested" anything for a locked page), so sorry in advance if this isn't correct, but:
Rodney Dangerfield should be added to Norm Macdonald's list of "influences". 
He has specifically listed Rodney Dangerfield, as an early influence in his episode of Jerry Seinfeld's "Comedians in Cars"; as well as, in an interview on Howard Stern. https://vulture.com/article/norm-macdonald-was-the-best-tv-guest.html MYgreycloud (talk) 23:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: . ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2021 

message: Sorry I don't where's the best place to ask this, but his recent death nomination for the front page was archived without having been closed. (Actually this seems to happen a lot.) Does that mean that he will never be listed in recent deaths? Because it's becoming less and less "recent". However one of the votes was to "wait", which seems odd. DAVilla (talk) 10:10, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death announcement on Wikipedia (in the news) 

message: Change "Based on A True Story" under section 6.3 from non-fiction to fiction. He refers to it as a novel in his standup special "Hitler's Dog, Gossip & Trickery" at approximately timestamp 30:17.Norm Macdonald: Hitler's Dog, Gossip & Trickery on Netfilx 
DannyFist (talk) 04:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: The Library of CongressBased on a true story : a memoir at the Library of Congress Catalog lists it as an autobiography, and the book's colophon suggests that it is non-fiction
Based on a True Story: Not a Memoir on Amazon.com. — LauritzT (talk) 10:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying we should change anything, but from a NYT review of the book:  It seems like non-fiction is straining at it's edges to describe this work. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2021 

message: Currently reading this page, Norm's faith in Christianity is placed in the 'Death' section. There are three articles referenced, one of which is a new york times article which reads as worthy for reference, but the other two references are clearly and openly Christian outlets with a Christian agenda, which is fine for a website, but makes them poor references for an encyclopaedia. In any case, I think it would be more appropriate to discuss his faith in the 'Personal life' section, because even if the articles were written after his death, none of the quotations within the cited references pertaining to his faith are recent and he made no statements about his faith in relation to his illness. Putting his faith in the 'Death' section has an implicit religiosity about it and suggests faith is related to death, so to me violates one of wikipedia's 5 pillars - to write from a point of neutrality.
This is just a suggestion I'll leave it up you all
This just seems to be a placement for ulterior motives and having no relation or importance to this article whatsoever. Why would an encyclopedia mention the opining of media personalities? It should be removed unless there is a reason for its inclusion. The mention that it was mentioned is not noteworthy.
2601:182:4381:E60:BC56:B2A9:E3C2:CD67 (talk) 15:05, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The placing of faith in Christianity in 'Death' rather than personal life 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion 

message: There must be a good reason for choosing this particular photograph to represent Norm? If the goal is to use a photo that best portrays what he looked like, I don't think this wide lens photo, taken under such terrible lighting conditions really does him any justice. I'd like to go ahead and change it, but I'd be happy to hear what the reasons for this photograph in particular might be.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.132.212.3 (talk) 10:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We are limited to pictures which have open copyright. Solipsism 101 (talk) 23:16, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Unflattering picture?

message: Please could we change the first photo on the page. Norm was hilarious and used his disease and treatment for comedic value but his weight gain is directly correlated to a steroid prescription in combination of chemotherapy. I don't believe he was happy with that fact he gained weight, which is why he addressed it so frequently to disvalue it because he didn't want his fans and colleagues to realise he was ill. If there's a second life, or whatever, I think he would like to be remembered in way that showed HIM and not his illness. Please comply for us all. It's been a rough few years, we need some humanity.
: As noted above, there are limited images with a compatible license that we can use. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:26, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main photograph. 

message: I read the cited interview, and it was just him saying that he didn't understand why guys like Steve Martin and Jim Carey took dramatic roles when they wouldn't be as good as actual dramatic actors. That had no relation to his views on "the state of modern comedy" at all. 103.119.209.255 (talk) 22:12, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Reflecting on the state of modern comedy, he bemoaned the influx of dramatic actors into comedy and comedians into dramatic acting." 

message: There are some problems with that section. First, the interview is a primary source, so cherry picking one response isn't great. We need secondary sources to provide context and weight. The second part is sourced entirely to The Daily Beast which has no consensus at RSP. Currently, that section is also very large in proportion to the rest of the article, with long quotes. If no other sources covered this, it's probably not WP:DUE. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexual allegations 

message: I have probably an easily reconciled issue with the sentence concerning Christian Faith.  The source is an editorial opinion, perhaps makes good arguments but who can decide?  The author goes over various articles of Macdonald's comedy material where in his view it means Macdonald was routing for Christianity.  I don't think there is enough in the article to qualify this as valid, although, this could be easily resolved if there were other sources that confirmed it.  If we were to go by his act, his comic material, we would be lost trying to find personal beliefs.  Yes, we can try and draw conclusions and idle speculation to entertain readers, but that isn't fact.  I think the sentence should be stricken since mentioning an editorial opinion of someone who is not noteworthy or related (the author never met Macdonald) goes against good source criteria.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AggiesNeverLie (talk • contribs) 22:12, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian Faith 

message: Norm was also in the Fairy OddParents as a character called Norm The Genie 2600:4040:2373:3C00:ADDE:45D:C806:E5C7 (talk) 12:49, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another of Norm's Voice Acting Jobs