Talk:Edward Rydz-Śmigły

message: What was his involvement in the atrocities against Germans in Polish controlled territories?
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm
: Dear anon. The book referencing the alleged atrocities was published in 1940 (Volk und Reich Verlag Berlin, 2nd. revised ed., 1940, 311 pp.). The above page (A White Nationalist Literary Resource) also justifies German invasion of Poland, denies Holocaust, Isreal's right to existence and contains similar garbage. Sufficient to say that the alleged 'Polish attrocities' never happened. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:24, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Piotrus. That some statements in a source are not correct does is NOT sufficient to dismiss all of the statemenets. Read up on "necessary and sufficient conditions". Your statement "Sufficient to say..." is therefore false, especially where it is the contents of the referring "above page" that contains similar garbage, and NOT the "Volk und Reich" book itself. In effect you are saying that any links found on a webpage that had garbage in it are therefore also garbage. That is flatly NOT correct.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.56.235.32 (talk) 15:35, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon question 

message: This article states that Rydz-Śmigły commanded the Lativan army in 1919. I do not believe this to be correct. Rydz commanded the Polish contingent sent to Lativa to help expel the Red Army from its territory. But I believe that the overall commander of the Allied forces in Lativa was the British general Harold Alexander. I will research this matter some more before making any changes. 
Second, there is no mention of the fact that however delicately one may put this, that Rydz-Śmigły was not precisely Poland's greatest general. To be fair, Rydz was a very brave soldier and an able subordinate; his natural forte was command at the division and corps level. However, as commander in chief of the Polish armed forces, Rydz-Śmigły was promoted above his level of competence. To be fair, the military situation of Poland in 1939 was probably hopeless, and I think to blame the Polish defeat entirely on Rydz-Śmigły would be very unjust, but the point remains, that Rydz-Śmigły did not wage the most effective campaign as the job of being Commander in Chief was simply too big for him. I would imagine that some will disargee with this interpretation of Rydz-Śmigły and others may find this to be too POV, but perhaps a compromise can be worked out.A.S. Brown 19:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccuacies?

message: Did not Rydz-Smigly hold a speech in appr. March 1939 (1/2 year before start of WW II), where he declared something to the effect,'that Poland wants war and Germany will not be able to stop this' ? How come this speech is missing in Wikipedia? There was also a painting in the Palace of Warsaw depicting Rydz-Smigly riding victoriously through Berlin's Brandenburg gate. Since he was a painter, did he painted that painting himself? There are a number of painting by him shown in this Wikipedia article, why not this one?
MG
:Hmm, where have you seen such picture ? --Lysytalk 21:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: painting at the palace in Warsaw MG 3/3/2006
Well, there's no proof that he said something like that but it's quite possible. In the early 30th Pilsudzki in his letter to the French head of state claimed that the situation in new born nazi Germany is critical and sooner or later Germany will be dangerous for peace. So he suggested that the best bet possible is to make a joint millitary action aiming  at Hitler's regime. (Frence never admitted there was letter like that but according to Polish historians there are proofs in archives). Concluding, if Rydz-Śmigły said that, then it was due to the situation in nazi Germany. Since 1936 it became clear that Hitler was preparing Germany for war. In 1939 and before there were a few occurance like Austria annexation , Czech's Sudety annexation, Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, some territorial demands from Poland. These are facts. If Poland invaded nazi Germany, it (Poland) would be the bad one and the Germany would be a victim but...at least millions of people would have survived. Unfortunately Poland did not preventivelly attacked nazi Germany and you know well what happened next.
PS. Being honest I do not believe that Śmigły really said that. In 1939 German army was the biggest and the most powerfull one in the whole world.(Source?) He knew that. Attacking this "Giant" allone would be a suicide and Śmigły was not an idiot.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.27.118.202 (talk) 10:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rydz-Smigly speech in March 1939: Poland wants war... and painting of himself riding victoriously through Berlin's Brandenburg gate 

message: This article failed because it does not have any references. joturner 11:28, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed Good Article 

message: I read somewhere he was in put in Polish resistance home arrest, blamed for fall of Poland, and some speculate maybe even executed??-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  01:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last days 

message: http://www.rzeczpospolita.pl/dodatki/plus_minus_070428/plus_minus_a_13.html
she was murdered ! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.143.144.96 (talk) 11:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please post link to painting. 41.150.103.32 (talk) 00:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  How die his wife? 

message: the article also leaves out the fact in the Munich Agreement, Poland was given the so-called Olsa area from Chekoslovakia; this area was immediately occupied by Polish troops. The description of the pre-war Polish politics seems to me also to be a bit of a whitewash (the aggressive stands of the Polish state indicated e.g. by the ultimatum to Lithuania is not even mentioned). Maybe a more neutral historian should give this page a work-over.
Somoe more comments: I think it is unfair to post Polish discussions in an English language document; we would also like to know how R-S died - was it the AK, the Germans, the KGB or natural causes??
23.06.2007, Gerald
The discussion in Polish at the top of the page is not about how did Rydz-śmigły die. They are arguing about which wikipedia (German or Polish) is better. The answer is: Rydz-Śmigły was murdered by Gestapo.
And the first suggestion of yours. It is true that there is no any information about Olsa, Lithuania but it is much more complicated. There is no answer which would be accepted by everyone as the true one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.27.118.202 (talk) 10:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Munich Agreement 

message: The article varies between using Rydz, Rydz-Śmigły, and Śmigły-Rydz. One should be chosen and used throughout for consistency. Olessi (talk) 01:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would disagree. I think it's appropriate that the surnames used reflect his own name at the time under discussion. It changed, and none of them is more correct than the others. -LlywelynII (talk) 17:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surname consistency 

message: One English source (a book by Seidner) is listed in the current article.  I would appreciate anyone pointing to any other works in English.  I would imagine there is a richer set of journal articles in English---but is there no biography in English?  That would seem to be a bit of a missing piece as far as the interwar history of Europe is concerned, especially of Eastern Europe, at least for those of us not lucky enough to read Polish.  Regardless of his competency and/or politics (and I'm sure Poles hold strong opinions of all persuasions to this day!) Rydz-Śmigły's would seem to be a fascinating career to study in the context of the struggle of the eastern European states to survive between the Bolshevik Revolution and the Nazi aggressions of 1938 and 1939...Bigbalagan (talk) 16:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resources about Rydz-Śmigły in English 

message: Failed due to insufficient citations. I will see if I have time to improve this article later this year. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 22:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: B-class review

message: Anyone have any family history. family member info? Edward's parents are Tomasz and Maria Babiak. Did they have any other children i.e. Edward's brothers and sisters? Tomasz' parents are Sebastian Rydz and Jozefina Kowalczewska.. did THEY have any other children whoch would be Edward's Uncle's and/or Aunt's?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.113.237 (talk) 22:15, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family 

message: The 1-2-3 Source sounds pretty silly almost pathetic. --41.150.103.32 (talk) 01:02, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  1-2-3 Source 

message: This article contains a mass of inaccuracies about his wartime role.
It appears to be written as a post-mortem justification, rather than an objective history.   212.121.210.45 (talk) 12:00, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass of inaccuracies  

message: Please would an interested editor assess the changes made in 2015 at User:Doctor Papa Jones/May project, incorporate what is useful into the live article, blank the user page as WP:COPYARTICLE, and leave a note here when done? – Fayenatic London 13:01, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abandoned user draft 

message: I can't find anything about this medal Locket homes (talk) 18:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Pulaski Medal