Talk:Yaphet Kotto

message: Always liked this actor since he was in Forever Knight. Wikipedia is the first place I have ever heard that he is Jewish. Glad to know that, being Jewish myself also.
The above comment was posted by DakotaKahn on 1 September 2005.
Roodog2k 11:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: First, is it appropriate to call him "prince"?
Second, the business with his wife seeing the Virgin Mary.
Third, concerning the royal blood, is there a good source other than IMDB that states this?  Also, could it be clarified?  Would he be a prince with claim to all of Cameroon, or just part of Cameroon?  That is, does his royal status extend to before current boundaries?  Assuming that its true, of course.
Fourth, moving to Canada.
Roodog2k 11:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the uncited info: "making Yaphet the son of the Crown Prince of the Royal Bell family of the Doualla region of West Africa's Cameroon.
He recently claims to have uncovered proof that he is the great-great-great-grandson of Britain's Queen Victoria. According to Kotto, the queen's son Prince Albert Edward VII had an illicit affair with Princess Nakande, daughter of King Doualla Manga Bell, producing the light-skinned Alexander Bell, Kotto's great-grandfather, but the deputy press secretary to Queen Elizabeth categorically refuted the story saying, " . . . Edward VII never visited Cameroon."
Yaphet Kotto is not from any family crow in Duala families, even from Duala Manga Bell!!!!!!
Kotto is married to Shirley Kotto, a Catholic, and recently claims to have seen the apparition of the Virgin Mary at Marmora, Ontario, Canada (known as Our Lady of Marmora). The couple have bought a house near Marmora and applied for landed immigrant status in Canada. It is unclear if Kotto has fully renounced his Jewish faith or not. However, according to IMDB.com "to this day, he remains a devout, practicing Jew"." Mad Jack 20:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, I don't quite have time right this second, but anyone working on this page might want to use this -  - Yahoo movies - has a lot of background and family info and is usually quite reliable, unlike IMDB Mad Jack 20:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Are you responding to me? All I did was remove info that had an "uncited" tag on it for a while. Mad Jack 20:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was responding to your deletion of the uncited information, but I did so without prejudice.  I wanted to ensure that there was no further doubt on some of the info I retained.  Kershner 20:28, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  unreferenced, unverifiable 

message: I believe that whoever added that to this article confused Yaphet Kotto with Ken Sagoes...
:No, Kotto appeared in Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare (and survived it!) Mad Jack 23:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed "Nightmare on Elm Street actor" category entry 

message: Why was my edit reverted? The band are commonly identified with screamo, and are mentioned on the emo (music) page, but I am yet to seem them identified with punk. Hardcore, I could take or leave. --Matthew Proctor 04:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I think I was just a little rollback-happy that day. Please accept my apologies and go ahead and reinstate your edit. — Brian (talk) 02:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yaphet Kotto the screamo band 

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: This article is full of dubious claims, and the sources cited seem extremely dubious and based solely upon his own claims (that are proven incorrect in some cases, such as his claim of being a descendant of Queen Victoria). This alleged "crown prince of Cameroon" "Avraham Kotto" doesn't even have his own article and doesn't really seem to exist (Google results are mostly mirrors of this Wikipedia article or worse, I can't find a single serious/reliable source mentioning this alleged "crown prince" who was allegedly also a Jew and a businessman for some weird reason and who married a nurse - an unusual career for a crown prince) Jeannedeba (talk) 21:37, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your use of the phrase "original research" is completely incorrect. According to WP:NOR, "No original research" means that "all material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source. Articles may not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position not clearly advanced by the sources." Taking information from newspapers like The Tuscaloosa News, the Kentucky New Era and The Standard-Times (New Bedford) is not original research, nor is taking information from an interview with the subject of the article in People (magazine) (or AllBusiness.com, for that matter). If not for newspapers and journals, we would nary have any sources at all. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 22:53, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: An interview with himself in some obscure publication that only reports his own claims is not a reliable source for anything else than what he's claiming, it doesn't establish that his claims are true, specifically when it's very easy to establish that there has never been a crown prince of Cameroon. Taking mere unsupported claims of royalty from an obscure local newspaper like The Tuscaloosa News and presenting it as a fact is original research. Jeannedeba (talk) 16:16, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious article

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message: No news showing he died on January 23, 2020.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:2A81:10:E8EA:1E74:761C:4478 (talk) 03:40, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: 2020 death rumors

message: So is Kotto's descent from "King Alexander Bell" proven anywhere, or is this alleged descent, like that from Queen Victoria, only based on his own claims? For example, is there any source indicating his father to have originally been "Njoki Manga Bell", and even if that were his name, that he descends from "King Alexander Bell"? If not- and frankly, considering the existence of separate articles about members of that family, even if so- the whole massive paragraph about the history of the Bell family in Cameroon is irrelevant. For all it goes on about this "King" and that, nowhere does it establish the link to the former "Njoki Manga Bell".— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.76.6 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, what he's saying is that his "Bell" line is illegitimate, given that "Princess Nakande, daughter of King Doualla Manga Bell... had an affair with Edward III... in the late 19th century". Who was "King Doualla Manga Bell"? Presumably Rudolf Duala Manga Bell (1873-1914)? He was s. of Manga Ndumbe Bell and grandson of Ndumbe Lobe Bell, who the article redirects to "King Alexander Bell", but that would make "Alexander Bell" more than Yaphet Kotto's "great-grandfather"... also, Nakande would have barely been born in the "late 19th century" given her putative father's age. None of this really holds up to scrutiny without more independent (i.e. not Kotto-derived) sources; for example, I can't find a single thing about "Princess Nakande" anywhere that isn't about Yaphet Kotto's claim, for the record.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.76.6 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  The source cited for Kotto giving his "great-grandfather" as "King Alexander Bell" doesn't equate that name with Ndumbe Lobe Bell, to whose article this links; in fact, the cited source doesn't even mention a name, it only states that his father was "crown prince of Cameroon" [sources cited later in the article do however give Kotto's "King Alexander Bell"; one of these ought to be moved to cite that specific piece of information]. In light of this, is there any basis for assuming Ndumbe Lobe Bell to be the individual Kotto intended in saying "King Alexander Bell", aside from the (possibly inaccurate, as "family legends" so often are) alleged rulership "of the Douala region of Cameroon in the late-19th century"? Finally, the whole "he was a practising Jew" (not in Ndumbe Lobe Bell's article at all) and "(Kotto's) paternal family originated from Israel many centuries ago, migrating to Egypt and then Cameroon, and have been African Jews for many generations" elements, which enter the realms of speculation (on his part or whoever else's), are sufficient to cause the raising of an eyebrow at the very least. Given the absolute lack of any sources aside from Kotto's own (alleged) conclusions, it all just seems- particularly the "we were always Jewish, OK?" aspect, like some weird fanciful story conjured up by an evidently devout man to legitimise and ease the pain of his identity issues and difficult upbringing, fistfights and all, as the article then continues to describe.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.76.6 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This section has since been removed. As noted in the edit summary, this information should only be added back if reliable secondary sources can be found for it. --GentlemanGhost (séance) 11:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Bell family

message: Did he really marry while still married, in 1975? Calle Widmann (talk) 13:15, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a relatively recent edit. The source is "California, Marriage Index, 1960-1985, California Department of Health, P.O. Box 997410, Sacramento, CA 95899-7410." I don't know if anyone has tried to verify that. --GentlemanGhost (séance) 18:31, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Married with two different persons at the same time? 

message: What is Kotto's full birth name?
In the article we have two different variants : 
Yaphet Frederick Kotto (most sources)
and 
Frederick Samuel Kotto (Ancestry.com)
Washington Post states a third variant :
Samuel Fredrick Kotto 
Which one should be classified as the official one?
Can we combinate them?
Should we have special section in the article clarifying this?
Does anyone out there have any ideas?
194.69.14.132 (talk) 16:06, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ancestry.com is not a reliable source as per WP:ANCESTRY.COM. Some of the primary documents it hosts may be usable under WP:BLPPRIMARY, but secondary sources are usually preferred. --GentlemanGhost (séance) 19:23, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth name  

message: When did Yaphet Kotto actually die? Most sources, like New York Times and Hollywood Reporter, says he died on Monday according to his wife. 
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/yaphet-kotto-dead-homicide-life-street-live-let-die-alien-actor-was-81-1115082
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/arts/yaphet-kotto-dead.html
However, CNN states that he died on Sunday according to his agent. 
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/16/entertainment/yaphet-kotto/index.html
So, who do we trust, his wife or his agent? 
Is this a just a screwup from one of them or is it just the usual timezone crap?
Could someone please clear this mess up, before people start changing the death date back  and forth...
90.235.17.109 (talk) 23:40, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You've answered your own question: it's the usual timezone crap. Such are the complications of living on one continent while your agent lives on another. --GentlemanGhost (séance) 23:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of death?