Talk:Ronald Ryan

message: Archived the whole Talk page, since all recent threads were dominated by behaviour of a long-term abusive editor. From here on in I will simply revert this editor on sight without further comment on the Talk page. --GenericBob (talk) 00:00, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving

message: What about "Savation" Army? It is named "Salvation Army" and I put a link to it. No need for you to change my savings or undo my changes, Afterwriting. (User 217.151.147.210) 16:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Your first edit changed the article text from "the Savation Army" to "the the Salvation Army", so you fixed one error but introduced another. Possibly Afterwriting noticed the new error but not the removal of the old one; it might've been a good idea to put something like "fixing spelling error" in the edit summary instead of leaving it blank, to make the purpose of the edit clearer. Thanks for fixing the error, anyway :-) --GenericBob (talk) 20:37, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errors

message: In both form and content this section seems a little odd. It sounds like it might be a little slangy, and if that's taken from quotes it could be explained what the slang means. And the punctuation might be off. PurpleChez (talk) 01:10, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I googled and it looks to be copyvio from the Australian Dictionary of Biography, so that passage should probably be removed - thanks for that. --GenericBob (talk) 08:17, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearance and personality 

message: FWIW, if anybody feels like spending the time to find page numbers, Mike Richards' book "The Hanged Man" can provide cites for most if not all of the bits that have been marked as needing them - it's a pretty thorough account of Ryan's life and death. It might also be useful in balancing out the excessively-long "case for innocence" section with an explanation of why Ryan was convicted, and a couple of previous violent offenses that have been attributed to him. 
I was hoping to sit down with a copy from the library and work through the article some time, but RL has been keeping me busy of late. --GenericBob (talk) 22:30, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for cites 

message: There is enough independent sources to say that on the eve of Ryan's execution, a gang of criminals were planning to blast their way into Pentridge in an eleventh hour rescue bid. Ryan's one time criminal apprentice Edward "Jockey" Smith was to be part of this gang. The mission was first mention in "The Herald" the day after the execution, Grindlay wrote of it in his memoir, and Father Brosnan spoke openly about it in the film The Hanged man. I've never included it on Ryan's page because I believe Escapeeyes would have removed it. It was Ryan who called the rescue attempt off, sending Brosnan out with a message , it was also when Ryan confessed to Grindlay his guilt. Purrum (talk) 12:03, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, would definitely be worth adding (Richards also covers it, drawing on the same sources). If anything, it shows a better side of Ryan; he seems to have had a serious shot at escape, but this time around he wasn't prepared to risk other people's lives. --GenericBob (talk) 14:42, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aborted breakout 

message: Why is everything quoted in pounds, instead of dollars when the pound was replaced by the dollar on 14th Febuary 1966, almost 11 months before Ryan's crime? Can these be replaced with the actual denomination he stole (dollars, not pounds).
203.51.161.90 (talk) 10:20, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ryan was in jail from January 1966  until his death. Decimal currency came in during this time. All of his crimes were committed before decimalization. Purrum (talk) 02:34, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Using pounds instead of dollars

message: I've removed the statement that "The Crown had no scientific, no ballistic and no forensic evidence to prove Ryan had fired a shot at all" from the article.
The two cites given are (1) the full two-week trial transcript and (2) an article by Phil Opas (Ryan's defender) in Vic Bar News. I think citing a two-week trial transcript to this effect is interpretation/analysis that falls under WP:OR. 
The Opas article argues ballistic evidence for Ryan's innocence, but it says nothing about "no scientific or forensic" evidence - the words "scientific" and "forensic" don't appear in the article. Citing it to support that assertion is again OR. Also, the arguments it gives are the same ones Opas made at trial, and they're already thoroughly covered in the "Defence's case" section of this article - we don't need to cite the same info from the same source twice, and it certainly doesn't belong in the "Crown's case" section. GenericBob (talk) 11:48, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research re. trial 

message: Forty years after Ronald Ryan was buried in an unmarked grave within Pentridge Prison, George Hodson's daughter danced and jumped on Ryan's grave to the horror of officials and on-lookers. The State Premier John Brumby granted permission to the Ryan family members to have Ryan's body exhumed so that he could be cremated and placed beside his decased wife in Portland Cemetery. This fact has been well documented in various newspaper articles and media. However, user Purrum is embarrassed and ashamed of the truth and persistently deletes the facts that he does not like.  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/i-danced-on-ronald-ryans-grave/story-e6frf7kx-1111114752514  121.210.139.15 (talk) 23:58, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ronald Ryan's Body Exhumed 

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