Talk:Final Fantasy weapons and armor

message: Isn't the Mage Masher in a number of Final Fantasy games? I know it's in XII and I think its in VI.68.19.68.214 00:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mage Masher

message: The catclaw is described as being "an extremely powerful knife and was clearly a reference to Leiber's creation."  This is incomprehensible since it is the only reference to anyone named Leiber in the entire article. Ken Arromdee 05:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've fixed it. Ryu Kaze 06:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Catclaw

message: The gunblade section needed a clarifiction:
The weapons used by Yazoo and Loz in Advent Children are not gunblades. Their Velvet Nightmares function only as guns, while the actual gunblades used in Final Fantasy VIII only work as swords. It's only fans that have called them gunblades. Same thing with Weiß's weapons in Dirge of Cerberus. They're also different from gunblades, because they both shoot and work as swords. Seifer and Squall's style of weaponry are the only "gun-sword" weapons officially called "gunblades" in all of Final Fantasy.
Just thought I would point this out and make the correction. I will leave mention of Yazoo, Loz, and Weiß's weapons in here, though, since they're quite similar and are often called gunblades by fans. I'm just going to point out the distinction. Ryu Kaze 22:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Final Fantasy definition of gunblades (which we must use here) is that the title applies only to those weapons in Final Fantasy VIII. The Velvet Nightmare officially has no sword capabilities, by the way. Ryu Kaze 16:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But it is clearly used as a sword by Yazu to parry Cloud's First Tsurugi at several points (the fight in the Midgar Wastes, the fight in the Ancient City, and the fight in the Highway tunnel).  True, he almost never uses it to slash, but parrying is definitely a sword function.  Kasreyn 02:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: --Knolly 03:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Cool, I will.  But I don't know if we can use deleted scenes as sources...  after all, they were deleted for a reason.  Maybe they were deleted because Nomura didn't want gunblades used as swords.  Kasreyn 04:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Heh.  Remember, this is Squaresoft: the weapons don't have to make sense!  We have characters roaming the landscape beating monsters down with everything from umbrellas to megaphones to dolls to shields.  Personally, I think the Gunblade was nothing less than the winner of the secret annual Square employee Most Ridiculous Weapon Contest.  ;)  Kasreyn 10:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What is a gunblade and what isn't

message: Although not weapons, we could definitely add a section on the Genji equipment, as it is pretty notable as ultimate armor Crazyswordsman 03:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genji? 

message: This naming convention implies of an subsection of weapons constructed of various alloys. Since it only describes the alloys themselves, I have renamed it to simply "weapon alloys". -ZeroTalk 20:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And shouldn't the weapons be listed as level 3 subsections..? The alloys are counted as he construction material, so the weapns should be listed collectively proceeding that, as they are all categorized similarly. -ZeroTalk 20:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not necessarily. The section refers to just simple weaponry and is stands as a sort of P/r. I also changed the title to sound clearer, and conform to manual of style standards (1 — CuaHL 21:10, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alloy-based weapons section 

message: throughout the excalipur section, the sword is described as "taking" 1 damage while it is supposed to be "dealing" it.  it is phrased almost like it has some special defensive power that allows the player to take only 1 damage while wielding it, which is obviously wrong.
:Yeah, I agree with you. I went through and fixed it while touching up all the other sections today. Ryu Kaze 23:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excalipur- grammar is confusing 

message: Y'know, I've been thinking... what do we do about weapon types that, while common in the series, have no truly outstanding single weapon? Like Axes, or Harps; I'm not sure that Apollo's Harp or the Rune Axe warrant their own place on the list, but it should be noted that the weapon type is common. 24.42.246.206
:I personally don't see them as common enough to warrant mention. Weapons like that are only slightly more notable than the bags and rugs from Tactics to be honest. Ryu Kaze 00:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm... I understand what you are saying, though I do find it a bit disconcerting that the list is nearly entirely sword oriented; it makes an illusion that it's the only weapon type. IMO, we should try to figure out some other non-sword weapons to put on the list.
Well, I think part of the issue is that most of the notable weapons really are swords, with few exceptions. And, really, it wouldn't be that much of a misconception to take away that swords are the dominant special weapons in Final Fantasy. For instance, main characters never have javelins, axes, or anything other than a sword or dagger (Unlimited being a notable exception, of course). Ryu Kaze 00:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Types of Weapons 

message: Excuse me, I'm just a casual Wiki user but I was at this website http://www.xanga.com/TheLegendaryHeroOfTime and I found a diagram of the First Tsurugi. I'm not sure if it will settle the questions on the name of the First Tsurugi's component's names but it would probably really be a great addition to the article. Also if anyone could translate the Japanese that would be nice just for personal information sake. Rayfire 23:40, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's actually a link to this image already within the article, but thank you nonetheless. Ryu Kaze 03:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: First Tsurugi Addition

message: I have removed the Omnislash Version 5, because it is a limit break technique, therefore not a weapon in itself. The weapon, as we should all know, was the First Tsurugi, and not Omnislash. If you disagree on my judgement, then revert the article. But I still believe that the Omnislash Version 5 does not belong in this section. If it did, then we would see a lot more limit break techniques in here, such as Cloud's Meteorain limit break, would we not?
--Myoukami 13:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah... that is more of a thing for a 'Final Fantasy Abilities' page, which I believe was suggested a while ago... 24.42.246.206 13:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As noted in the edit history, I disagree with all mention of it being removed, as it's something that can only be performed with the First Tsurugi because of the unique nature of the technique. Meteorain, Blade Beam and the like most obviously can be performed with any sword. Ryu Kaze 00:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I understand that, but it is still only an ability. It may be true that he would only be able to do that with the First Tsurugi, but it is still a limit break attack, not a weapon in itself.--Myoukami 11:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but if we're going to mention this or that ability associated with this or that weapon, it makes little to no sense to leave out Omnislash Version 5 when talking about the First Tsurugi, as he obviously couldn't do that with any other weapon because the attack is formulated around the design of the weapon. Ryu Kaze 02:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Omnislash Ver. 5 

message: "A weapon called "the Masamune" also appears in Chrono Trigger, but the name was introduced only in the English translation, whereas the original Japanese name of this weapon is "Grandleon."  The weapon reappeared in Chrono Cross, and could be merged with another to become the "Mastermune," Serge's ultimate weapon. In Japan this weapon is called "Grandream," though the Masamune itself is called "the Masamune.""
This part of the Masamune section isn't about FF, so I took it from there. I hope you agree.
:That's probably for the best. Unlike the Buster Sword, First Tsurugi, Save the Queen and Ultima Weapon references in Kingdom Hearts, the Masamune's appearance in the Chrono series is not an intentional FF reference as far as we know. Ryu Kaze 02:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not FF 

message: It is notable as a plot device.  Perhaps we could list it under Excalibur? Crazyswordsman 01:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes... if we actually do add Excalibur. (I suppose you wrote this when that person changed Excalipur to Excalibur_|) 72.38.187.62 20:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Fantasy IV: Legend sword 

message: Isn't the chain whip's first appearance actually Final Fantasy IV?  I remember Rydia being able to use whips as an adult, and if my memory serves me the second whip is a chain whip. TheMuuj 10:32, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chain whip 

message: I thought about doing it myself, but am not sure how you guys would react, so I thought I'd post the info here first...
"First Tsurugi" is not the official name of all of the swords, or any part of them.  In the Director's Commentary, Nomura called the main sword the "First Tsurugi" because it was literally the first sword that Cloud used.  The Advent Children Reunion Files said that the swords internally had been called the "fusion swords" and none of them had names.  Also, they're marketing the 1/6 replica of the six swords that's coming out later this year as the "Advent Children Buster Sword."
Also, there's something about the Velvet Nightmare tidbit that bothers me...  The sword does have a cutting function.  It has a blade on the barrel.
Pic 1 - Here you see that while one sword isn't even touching the Velvet Nightmare, the larger one is grinding against the blade.
Pic 2 - You can clearly see the Velvet Nightmare's blade in this pic. It's the dark piece of metal on the bottom of the barrel that ends at the same point that the little design on the barrel ends.
Another Pic Courtesy of Blazing782 on a forum.
--Knolly 21:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The First Tsurugi's Name and the Velvet Nightmare 

message: The section about the Buster Sword is wrong in saying that he was using that sword in Kingdom Hearts II.  The pictures I have seen of Cloud in KH2 he is holding First Tsurugi - albeit, wrapped in badages like the Buster Sword was in KH1. 
The best way to tell is look at the hilt of the sword - it has the bulky cross-section of First Tsurugi that all the component swords click into. 
Anyway, I'm editing both the Buster Sword section and the First Tsurugi section to reflect this. 
--MimiSard 10:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cloud's Sword in KH2 

message: I've started revamping this page — it's going to need a lot of work. We'll probably have to do a complete reorganization. Also, please remember not to include stuff like where weapons can be found, details about their special attacks, etc, as that violates WP:NOT. — Deckiller 02:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivial/excess/gameguide cut

message: The article says "Ultima Weapon appears in Final Fantasy VII as one of five WEAPONS featured in that game". Weren't their only four WEAPONS in the game (as in the PS1 game, not including the spinoffs)? Or was there an additional one in the Japanese or European version? Koweja 02:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind - I forgot about Sapphire. I thought it and Emerald were the same WEAPON. Koweja 03:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of FFVII WEAPONS 

message: Can someone please find information on the Zodiac Spear aka the most powerful weapon in FFX11; even though there was an Ultima Blade. Interestingly there were many weapons stronger than Ultima Blade in this game. Zodiac Spear has some significance as the the different espers come from the Zodiaz, the most powerful esper is called Zodiac so the most powerful weapon is called Zodiac Spear. I'll include this stuff until anyone else has something more to add to it Noman953  03:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Zodiac Weapon

message: I suggest that this list be trimmed to only include recurring and/or popular/well-known weapons from the Final Fantasy series. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's on the queue; Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy has a decent outline. — Deckiller 22:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming