Talk:Wii/Criticisms

message: That criticism from rival companies is not allowed is simply not true. That they're rarely included has little to do with the fact that they're from rival companies and more to do with the fact that they're usually not significant. Also, from the "crystal ball" clause of :WP:NOT: "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, provided that discussion is properly referenced. It is not appropriate for an editor to insert their own opinions or analysis." If Weekly Famitsu stated that 24% of people surveyed suggested that the controller is hard to use, that is good enough, and not a crystal ball. Dancter 02:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your link gives a 404 error. I don't think there should be any debate whether criticism is relevant, only whether it should have its own section. Anyone who doesn't think it is relevant needs to read Wikipedia's policies. It is necessary to npov, arguably the most important article principle on Wikipedia. --gatoatigrado 15:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The extension got clipped. It should work now. And I'm not understanding your comment about debate over whether criticism is relevant. Have I indicated otherwise? Dancter 16:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  criticism continued (section created for edit link, indenting) 

message: So wait how come every other next gen console has a criticism page yet every time a mention of it is on here it's taken down?  There have been valid concerns and criticisms that have been arised, why hide them?  This is an informational site, not a fanboy circle jerk.
:Sounds like your opinions of the Wii are pretty biased. Good thing flamers like you are blocked from editing this article. And it's "jerk circle," not "circle jerk". Next time you pitch in (hopefully not) learn some basic english skills. Aside from the naysaying, I agree: there should be a section concerning this topic. 21:06, oct. 16, 2006 (UTC)
:: Actually it is circle jerk, and STFU and stop flaming people or you will be banned. 12.207.127.76 18:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You might want to actually check before making statements, otherwise you look like a fool. Only the PS3 has one, and that is warranted because Sony's stock price fell after they announced the price. The Xbox 360 article doesn't have a criticism section. Also, neither do the PS2/GC/Xbox/DC, etc. TJ Spyke 18:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Note that the article does have some well integrated criticism in the Name section. Previously expressed concerns that a dedicated Criticism section naturally skews the opinions of readers is probably the most solid point I've heard against it. Specific criticism regarding technical aspects of the console (ie. Wii vs. the sun) should probably hold off until it's released and there are credible sources documenting it. Even then, I think it would benefit the article and avoid edit warring if an effort would be made to integrate it nicely into the other sections of the article. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 19:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Most criticism should be held off until the console isw launched and we can see what it can really do. Jaxad0127 20:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do think that most criticism should be held off as well, but only because it's premature to really criticize the console. However there are plenty of expressed concerns about the Wii which may or may not be valid to include. Now, you can leave these concerns out, just as you can leave out any bit of relevant information, but I do think it takes away from the completeness of the article. Other way to make it NPOV is to include counter-points. For example you could say that many people are concerned about the input style being tiring or too unconventional to be a success, but you could also point to a recent survey that showed that the majority of Japanese retailers/game devs etc think that the Wii's remote is its most promising feature (I'd say you could also point to success of interactive arcade games such as DDR, boxing simulators, motorcycle games and anything with a light gun but that's along the lines of independent research). Mention that people complained about the friends code system, and then talk about how Nintendo plans to address this or why they feel it isn't an issue. Say that the lack of a DVD attachment has been pointed to as a potential shortcoming, then find an article which discusses why it's not a problem. I dunno, I think it's possible to put down some things which people have repeatedly cited as possible flaws and also present properly cited rebuttals. That way it's not fanboyish in its inclusion or exclusion of complaints. --Twile 21:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism (continued some more)