Talk:Kunya (Arabic)

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hi! i saw your edits of the kunya (arabic) article. thank's for the grammar fix, but the list of persons was actually intended for the kunya in general, and not as subsection of the previous part, since the article is not only about palestinian guerilla usage. could you please restore the list as it was? if not, there's other names that should be removed too. abu bakr the caliph didn't get the name while undercover, you know :-) best regards, Arre 04:09, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no way for me to know what was the original intent of the author who wrote it. I just read the article, and thought that the list should only include names of people who are not actually parents of the children for which the get named after. Otherwise, what would be the point of the list? We already know that "Abu X" means "the father of X", so it seems silly to me to include those names in a list. In my opinion, the list should only inlude names that are an exception to the rule. What do you think? --Asbl 05:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, I can see why you made that assumption. But I think a) that it would be nice to have a few examples of people on Wikipedia with a kunya (and not necessarily all of them Palestinian), and b) that the article should focus on general usage of the name. The Palestinian part should not dominate the article. So I prefer the way I wrote it, but feel free to do as you wish. It's not important. (The list can't stay as it is now, though.)Arre 05:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you would like to do that, you should open up a category called "category:list of people with a kunya", and then go and put that category in all the articles of the people with a kunya. I think that would be a better way to go about it, than to put all those name in the kunya article. --Asbl 05:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Asbl's Edits

message: By the way, I dont think Abu Sayyaf belongs in the list, but I did not remove it because it clearly does not refer to a person who has a son named "Sayyaf". I do not know what to do with it. --Asbl 05:30, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll remove it from the list and note it in the text instead. Arre 20:59, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, I removed the list altogether. After removing Egyptians and caliphs and Filippino guerillas, there were only two people left anyway. Arre 21:06, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, one person is Yasser Arafat (Abu Amar). Who is the other person? Why don't you add him (or is it her) to the text too? If I knew, I would have added to the text myself. --Asbl 22:06, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, Abu Nidal I think. Although for what I know, he may have had a son too. There are others as well, but I don't think many are on Wikipedia. And anyway, the text makes the point clear enough Arre 22:43, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Abu Sayyaf

message: The article "Anthroponymy" includes the term teknonym, which according to Wiktionary is 
:a name for an adult derived from that of a child, especially that of the eldest child
Kunya would be an example of this, correct?  — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 18:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teknonym 

message: Would it be possible to add some examples of feminine kunya, from real life?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.135.20.229 (talk) 11:28, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  examples of feminine kunya 

message: I've removed the following 'examples', which were added years ago by an IP editor (created as straight body text in the original edit, and later on formatted as table):
"
The following are some examples of widely used Kunya in Arab world:
Common Kunya in Arab world
Child's birth name	Kunya
Khalīd            	Abū Walīd
Walīd             	Abū Khalīd
Alī               	Abū Hussein
Hussein           	Abū Alī
Muhammad          	Abū Jassim/Qassim
Yūsuf             	Abū Ya'qūb
Ya'qūb            	Abū Yūsuf
Khalīl            	Abū Ibrahīm
Ibrahīm           	Abū Khalīl
"
These are unreferenced, and almost certainly wrong (why would the kunya for Ali be Abū Hussein, and for Hussein Abū Alī, etc.?); this may have been just hoax or vandalism. I could have of course corrected the table, but I don't really think it adds much; the concept of a kunya should be fairy obvious by that stage in the article, without listing ten or so examples. If anyone wants to add this section back into the article, please explain why you feel it's needed, and why the names appear to be mismatched. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:38, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed examples