Talk:Thiomersal/Archive 1

message: Hello, I don't think that thimerosal is primarily used in children's vaccines so much as it is used as a preservative in vaccines in general.  Almost all flu vaccine formulations contain thimerosal, and most recipients of flu vaccine are adult. 68.163.13.242 13:34, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: But that's not what it says. The article says, "...used primarily in vaccines, most controversially including those widely administered to children". The stuff is used primarily in vaccines (since merthiolate isn't available OTC anymore), and the most controversial application is in vaccines for kids. Jpgordon 17:58, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Jpgordon.  That's because I just edited it.  Previously it said "used primarily in children's vaccines." 130.91.65.76 18:24, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Ah-ha! Must remember to check history to solve puzzling comments. --Jpgordon 18:52, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Done.  ElBenevolente 23:03, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)

text: Not always easy to find them, sorry. BTW Britain's giving up on mercury jabs while persisting in denying they were bad. VoA - Awares (I witnessed the drastic cleanup measures mandated when a mercury thermometer broke in the lab at my highschool in the '80s because of the trivial amount that would evaporate and be inhaled. Why am I "nuts" for questioning an authority that still claims it's safe to stick infants with it?) 142.177.15.139 16:43, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Britian is moving to a 5 in one vacine from a four in one. Nothing to do with the saftey or otherwise of Thimerosal.Geni 21:15, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Health minister John Hutton: "Following advice from our expert committees we have decided that, at the same time, thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative, will be removed from the new combined vaccine." 142.177.169.163 21:09, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: 1 Have got got a relible source for your claims (quoting a site that refernces so0mething called quantum healing is not a great way of improving your creedibility.
2 this article has nothing to do with mercury in vacinesGeni 10:35, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: 1

message: There is reasearch into ethly mercury safety a 30 second seach on web of knowlage confirms this. Mentioning the effects of elemental mercury makes no sense. After all you didn't list all the risks of carbon or hydrogen or oxygen or sulphur or sodium. You didn't even mention benzene which is know to be highly carcinagenicGeni 15:40, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: the opening paragraph

message: Andrew Wakefield and Mark Geier are two scientists involved in the thimerosal/mercury-autism debate.  Reviewers of this article may also want to examine and edit those articles.  Mark Geier in particular seems to emphasize the debate over thimerosal and autism rather than the scientist himself; I'm concerned that there are both NPOV issues and unnecessary duplication of information and arguments. --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 01:24, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andrew Wakefield and Mark Geier 

message: I edited the initial section for brevity and clarity.  For example, since thimerosal contains a number of elements, there is no inherent reason to mention (in this section) that one of them is mercury, unless we're prepared to list all of them.  
Now for the controversy section.  It should contain a history of the case against thimerosal, starting with Wakefield and showing the sequence of studies, statements, and other notable events that have brought us to this point.  A lot of different people and organizations have weighed in on the issue, and ideally we should bring in information from outside the US.  (Having said that, if most of the research is done in a few countries, there's no reason to assume people react differently to thimerosal in one place than they do in another.)  
I think we should scrupulously indicate who said what but avoid any value judgments about the veracity of the source.  This means, for example, that we simply write "Centers for Disease Control" or "the US House of Representatives" without arguing whether the former is contaminated by a conflict of interest and the other is the lowest house in the US.  
Does anyone have a problem with this approach?  --Leifern 22:04, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)
:Wakefield was pretty late in and he's MMR not thimerosal.Geni 22:18, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Started cleanup 

message: There's a new article on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.  Right now it's pretty heavy on thimerosal-related material, so I have two reqeusts:
*Check the content for neutrality (I've tried to clean it up a bit, but the more eyes the better)
*Add in other useful content—both information about the background and use of VAERS, and information about its use in biomedical/epidemiological studies.
Thanks. --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 21:31, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System 

message: Does this link work for everyone?
a paper
if not does this one:
an abstract22:19, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, both links work for me.  Thanks, Geni, for the link to the original study; I hate to see "science-by-press-release". --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 22:58, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: could someone check this link?