Portal talk:Oregon/Archive 1

message: Good work on the portal so far, everyone.  I think it's in good enough shape that I've added it to the List of portals - they note "Not add some new portals until you have Finished Construction." I think we've done that. — Zaui (talk) 20:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good start 

message: I'm thinking it might be better to re-direct the "suggestions" for the "article", "bio", and DYK to this page. That way it is all centralized. Aboutmovies 04:53, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made this change. — Zaui (talk) 15:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: Here are some of my photos that I suggest:
:Image:OregonCoastEcola.jpg, :Image:Pioneer-SquareDaytime.jpg, :Image:MtTaborPortlandHood.jpg, :Image:HaywardFieldPano.jpg, :Image:PaintedHillsPano4.jpg, :Image:PortlandStreetcar5.jpg.  I have also been improving my skills at stiched panoramic images (see :Image:HawthorneBridge-Pano.jpg for an example).  These are a higher in difficulty and take lots of time, but it is worth it when they work out.  If you have any suggestions please let me know.  I probably won't be traveling out of the Portland Metro area for a while though.  Right now I'm thinking that I'll try to improve the images for Pittock Mansion, all the Portland bridges, Rose Garden Interior, PDX airport entrance.  Someday I'll make it back down to Salem to give another go to the capitol buildings. Also, there is pretty strong possiblity that I will be renting a helicopter for some aerial photography in the downtown Portland area sometime in the near future.  Yee Haw!  Cacophony 23:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested Photos

message: Hey, we don't have a Portal-class section in our assessment scheme. Can someone take care of that so this page doesn't show up in the "unassessed" section? (I assume that's why it was put in List-class up until recently.) Katr67 (talk) 22:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's nothing wrong with having it here, see :Category:Portal-Class articles. Katr67 (talk) 22:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd fix it myself but I'm not up to the coding. I think Esprqii did the last one. Katr67 (talk) 22:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, well if someone eventually fixes the coding for it on the actual template, no biggie.  Cirt (talk) 22:21, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, I'll take a look, but no guarantees. I'm not a coder, but I play one on Wikipedia. --Esprqii (talk) 23:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I fixed it.  Cirt (talk) 23:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that should work. I made a minor tweak. But...what is the purpose of that assessment class? --Esprqii (talk) 23:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we might begin to use other talk pages in this portal other than just this one.  Cirt (talk) 23:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal class 

message: ;Asa Lovejoy - Portal:Oregon/Selected biography/21
*"Lovejoy Street and Lovejoy Fountain Park in downtown Portland are named in his honor"
**Can we get a free-use image of one of these locations, to add to both the article and to the blurb?  Cirt (talk) 06:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free-use images? 

message: This (Oregon Ballot Measure 37) is a mess.  Especially the Measure 49 section (did it pass with 61 or 62%?).  I can't tell if 37 is still in effect or not.  Whether it highlights the best that WP has for Oregon, and thus merits inclusion in the portal, is hard for me to justify.  I propose we either clean up the article find something else to replace its spot in the portal. — Zaui (talk) 21:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Measure 49 was so complicated I couldn't bear to read very much of it.  The effects that it has on 37 are extremely complex, difficult, and/or tedious to explain.  The conflicting percentages are because it varied over time as the ballots were counted.  —EncMstr 21:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: *You could go with the Oregon Supreme Court Building as they ruled on the law; or maybe a picture of rural Oregon :Image:Rural Northeast Portland.JPG, logging :Image:NOCRlogging.JPG, farming :Image:Tulipfarm.jpg, or if someone by chance took a picture of one of the roadside campaign signs. Also :Image:RiverViewCemeteryMemorial.JPG might work as well, the cemetery had a controversial claim under the measure. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Hrm, I think probably the Oregon Supreme Court Building is best, what do others think?  Also, the Intro/Lead for that article could stand to be expanded upon a bit more.  Cirt (talk) 08:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I just re-worked the text to expand, and also update it for the passage of Measure 47. Hopefully others can take a look and see if it is NPOV enough. As to pictures, if we go with the supreme court building, I'd suggest not using one of the three already used on the portal. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Oh, where are those?  Maybe we should go with a different one then, but we'd have to have a short'n'sweet caption to explain the image.  Cirt (talk) 09:26, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *One's a feature article and two are DYKs. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

text: *Sure, it shows agriculture and what appears to be prelude to construction. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:18, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Should we wait for some more feedback from   and  ?  If not, I'll let you add the image to the portal subpage if you want to.  Cirt (talk) 10:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *That works too. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ballot Measure 37 article 

message: There are enough WP:GA and WP:FA Oregon-related articles such that "Selected article" section should be limited to quality content. (The "Selected biography" section is a different matter entirely, and we can address that later.)  Checking the latest list at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Oregon articles by quality/1, I count (18) WP:GA/WP:FA articles (excluding Lists and Bios).  Therefore, we should strive for a high quality-content section for the Selected article section, and require that articles there all have a rating of WP:GA or WP:FA.  This will also serve as a motivation in the future for others to work on and improve the quality of Oregon-related articles.  It will also be nice at some point in the future when the portal goes for WP:PPREV and later WP:FPORTC discussion, to be able to have (at least) one section of the portal relegated to WP:GA/WP:FA content.  Cirt (talk) 09:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Update  I added 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens and 1985 Rajneeshee assassination plot.  1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens blurb should be expanded, as  already said above, to include relevance of the event to Oregon.  (Should be about 4-5 lines or so more.)  See Portal:Oregon/Selected article/22.   Cirt (talk) 00:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The St. Helens article has been taken care off and three more added. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sweeeeeeeeeet.  Cirt (talk) 07:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Selected article" section should only contain [[WP:GA]] and [[WP:FA]] quality-rated content 

message: *Columbia River Basalt Group B
*Eugene, Oregon B
*Hood to Coast B
*Northern Oregon Coast Range B
*1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens FA
*Intel Corporation GA
*1984 Rajneeshee bioterror attack GA
*1985 Rajneeshee assassination plot GA
*Provisional Government of Oregon GA
*Provisional Legislature of Oregon GA
*Hallie Ford Museum of Art GA
*Portland Aerial Tram GA
*Waller Hall GA
*Cascade Range B
*Cascadia subduction zone B
*Portland, Oregon B
*Salem, Oregon B
*University of Oregon B
*Oregon Coast B
*Lewis and Clark Expedition B
*Coast Douglas-fir B
*Chinook salmon B
*Oregon State University B
*Rail transport in Oregon B
*Pacific Northwest B
*Oregon Trail B
*Mount Mazama B
*Eastern Oregon B
*Barlow Road B
*Corylus avellana B
All of the above are either the FA/GA quality, or are the B class of Top or High importance. I think all of them have a free use image, but some will need some alteration to the exiting lead (Intel, Mt. St. Helens, Itanium, and other none Oregon only articles) to better tie it into Oregon, and others will need some expansion of the lead. But this would put us over 50 for the category, so more than enough for FP I'm sure, and it expands to the three largest universities, 4 of the 5 most populous cities, and some good geographical/historical items. I'll make similar list for the bios. Any others I missed? Aboutmovies (talk) 23:45, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Update  I added 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens and 1985 Rajneeshee assassination plot.  1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens blurb should be expanded, as  already said above, to include relevance of the event to Oregon.  (Should be about 4-5 lines or so more.)  See Portal:Oregon/Selected article/22.   Cirt (talk) 00:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The St. Helens article has been taken care off and three more added. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sweeeeeeeeeet.  Cirt (talk) 07:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: List of articles left to add to Selected article

message: FYI - I set up auto-archival for this talk page - discussion threads with zero new posts or activity for over one month will be archived.  Cirt (talk) 07:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk page archival 

message: I would like to start adding some more quotes from other former Governors of Oregon that are not currently represented at Portal:Oregon/Selected quote, selecting only those for which free-use images exist.  Anyone wish to comment, or is it okay for me to go ahead and add more quotes w/ accompanying free-use pics from former Oregon Governors to Portal:Oregon/Selected quote ?  Cirt (talk) 00:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Only McLoughlin and Chief Joesph left, anyone no of a good quote for the doctor? I'll add Gray's naming of the Columbia River journal entry, Joe Meek's "who's for a divide" bit, and Joseph's I will fight no more part later this week. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Portal:Oregon/Selected quote]] 

message: *Portal:Indiana/Cities - "Spotlight city".  Cirt (talk) 00:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I think its a good idea for later. If we were to keep the quality level at B and above, which I support, the section would be less than 10 right now (Portland, Salem, Eugene, Hillsboro, Medford, Cave Junction, & Coos Bay). At least Hillsboro and Cave Junction have improved to that level in the last 4 months or so, so with another 4 months or so maybe a few more will make it. With some of the larger cities they mainly need references and lead work to get to B (e.g. Bend is close). Aboutmovies (talk) 00:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Okay, sounds find.  As I think of these things, I can create a list of "Ideas for the longer term" - but certainly the article will pass through and become a WP:FPORT at some point soon without that section.  Cirt (talk) 03:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  An idea for a new section, though certainly not needed for [[WP:FPORT]] status 

message: *Dan Fouts B
*Bill Hayward B
That's it for now of GA/FA or B w/Top or High. I have one bio at GA, and about 6 others I'm planning on getting there in the next month or so which will help expand this out to at least 25. If people want to help increase the number, go through :Category:High-importance Oregon articles and find start class articles that just need a little work to get to B class and improve them to B if not GA class. For instance Mark Hatfield needs the lead improved, the honors section turned to prose, and some copy editing and it would be B class. Again, add any that were missed. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:58, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Added the last two and one that is on GA hold that should pass later today. Once that happens I'll update the "randomizer" component. Should have another one ready soon as well that gets it to 25. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Bio list 

message: This portal has had a portal peer review, which has since been archived.  Please see Wikipedia:Portal peer review/Oregon/archive1.  Cirt (talk) 16:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal peer review 

message: Just curious, what became of the Willamette Meteorite bit I put on the portal a while back? Seems that the nature of a portal makes it tough to track such changes, but it's a little disconcerting that something I worked on was removed without explanation (as far as I can tell). Not the end of the world, but I do think it was a good part of the portal.
But in general, thank you all very much for your diligence in improving this portal. It's come a long way, and is looking very good. -Pete (talk) 01:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See above discussions - we came to a consensus that selected articles should be (at least) of a "B" class or higher.  Generally "B" class should mean something that could pass as a Wikipedia Good Article, but hasn't been through WP:GAC.  Cirt (talk) 01:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Got it -- I noticed that in the FA nom, right after I wrote that. I don't think the WM article is that far off from being B-class; can you help me figure out where the summary I wrote is, so I can resurrect it if and when the article is judged B-class? Thanks for the quick reply. And if there's no easy way to find it, don't sweat it. -Pete (talk) 01:42, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll try to find it.  Cirt (talk) 01:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here it is, used to be at Portal:Oregon/Selected article/18. — Zaui (talk) 20:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Willamette Meteorite 

message: I've been doing something that I realized should probably be brought up for discussion: changing the dates in the lead sentence of bio summaries to include only the year. It seems to me that these blurbs, since the are constrained by space, should be as tightly focused on essential information as possible. The full dates take up a relatively large amount of space, and also require creating extraneous links (to make dates display according to user preferences.) Seems to me that just the year of birth and death is enough, and if the reader needs the full date, it's only a click away. Any objections? (The closest thing I could find to a guideline covering this is Wikipedia:Manual of Style %28dates and numbers%29#Dates of birth and death.) -Pete (talk) 03:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A similar issue is the removal of not-commonly-used middle names. this edit illustrates both these points. -Pete (talk) 03:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I think simplifying dates to the year is fine if it is far enough back.  But a recent death date ought to be to the day.  Where's the line?  Around 1950 or 1960 feels about right, though I'd be easily swayed up to 20 years or so around that.  Dropping uncommonly known or used names—not just middle names—seems useful too (J. P. Morgan comes to mind).  —EncMstr 04:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sounds good to me. I'll try to avoid doing it on more recent folks going forward, and if I screw up I won't object to reverts ;) -Pete (talk) 03:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates in bio summaries 

message: Those articles left that meet both the B class minimum and being Top or High importance:
* Cascadia subduction zone B
* Salem, Oregon B
* University of Oregon B
* Oregon Coast B
* Coast Douglas-fir B
* Chinook salmon B
* Oregon State University B
* Rail transport in Oregon B
* Pacific Northwest B
* Oregon Trail B
* Mount Mazama B
* Eastern Oregon B
* Barlow Road B
* Corylus avellana B
* Matthew Deady GA
* Joel Palmer B
* Mark Hatfield B
* Bill Walton B
Reproduced from archived section, may need to add a few since list was made in early Jan 2008. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Taking a quick look, U of O is probably the closest, needing POV and reference work with minor additions to some of the smaller sections. Coast Douglas-fir and Chinook salmon look like they mainly need references and a copy edit. Oregon Trail could easily make it with proper referencing, if school kids would stop vandalizing it. Pacific Northwest needs referencing and some POV refinement as the Canadians often claim it is a bit US biased. Barlow Road is getting close. With a proper lead and more references I think Corylus avellana would be there. Mount Mazama mainly needs inline citations. The rest would need major expansions or overhauls to meet GA criteria (with one I think it is really a start class). Aboutmovies (talk) 01:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, so there's about 8 or so that are relatively within reach, exciting stuff for the project.  Cirt (talk) 04:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mos' def! There are others (already included here) that are close, too. My biased memory says Neil Goldschmidt and Columbia River are closest (those are my personal priorities), though I know there are many others that are close too. I think AM has a good list on his user page. -Pete (talk) 16:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

text: You may wish to add to Portal_talk:Oregon#New_Bio_list, above.  Cirt (talk) 02:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Pete the list was made in Jan, before Palmer was upgraded to B class, but yes bios were listed separately. Feel free to add above or start a new list, Matthew Deady and Mark Hatfield should be joining the group soon. Aboutmovies (talk) 02:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Gotcha, I didn't catch that before. I'll add it to this section, seems to be worth keeping this stuff together. Congrats on Deady! -Pete (talk) 06:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition list 

message: Blurb for this one is a bit long - text could be cut down by about half, for better appearance on main portal page.  Cirt (talk) 06:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know it's a little long, but I already did as much trimming as I could without removing what seemed like essential elements of his career. Please feel free to take a crack at it, I might have a little tunnel vision from working on the article too much. -Pete (talk) 06:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, will do.  Take a look at the sizes of some of the other bio blurbs, for comparison.  When this one appears on the main portal page, in comparison it will look bulky and not that great (unless we cut down the text a tad).  Cirt (talk) 07:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, I needed a nudge on that. I think the interruption of the Mount Hood Freeway is actually one of the things he's most remembered for -- the thing that "put him on the map," so to speak -- but I'll ruminate on it for a day or so, and if I put it back in I'll take out a similar amount of text from another part of the summary. Fair nuff? -Pete (talk) 08:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds fine.  Cirt (talk) 02:55, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Portal:Oregon/Selected biography/25]] 

message: Should Collaboration of the Week be included here (or did I miss it)?Awotter (talk) 02:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that has already been discussed on the talk page of WP:ORE, but if so, the appropriate place would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon/to do.  Cirt (talk) 02:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''COTW'' 

message: Re-visiting old ideas, and proposing a new one. Regarding the year old proposal to add a "locations" section, I think we still don't have enough high quality articles at this time (seems we haven't improved the quality on most of the cities).
As to a new idea, I was thinking we might be able to have some sort of animated/sound spot after I came across this, but I'm not sure if there would be enough, so this might be maybe later type item. Then as a matching compenent to keep two columns, I was thinking a B&W image section. I know we have a lot, and some have to be of decent quality. Thoughts. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternatively, if we have over 10 or so Oregon-related Featured pictures, we could add a Featured picture section in addition to the Selected picture section. (Not appropriate to label a section "Featured", unless everything in its rotation is of Featured quality). Cirt (talk) 10:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't have that many, its only 8. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah okay. Cirt (talk) 07:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion ideas 

message: Articles still to be added:
*Salem, Oregon
*University of Oregon
*Coast Douglas-fir
*Chinook salmon
*Oregon State University
*Rail transport in Oregon
*Pacific Northwest
*Oregon Trail
*Mount Mazama
*Eastern Oregon
*Corylus avellana
All are B class and either High/Top importance, meeting the criteria. All FA and GA (minus 2 that don't have proper images) have been added. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating list 

message: ... was promoted to Featured article status. Should it be removed from this list? --Another Believer (Talk) 20:06, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you should. Great work! Jsayre64 (talk) 23:58, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: . --Another Believer (Talk) 03:49, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Music for a Time of War'' 

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thread_title:  Notice from the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals|Portals WikiProject]] 

message: The following articles should be added to the selected article list:
* Pendleton
* Lakeview
* Coos Bay
* Portland State University
* University of Oregon
* Oregon State University
* Gravity Falls
* North American Beaver
* Chinook salmon
* Bear Camp Road
* Rogue River Ranch
* Stand By Me
All of these articles are ranked "B" class. Some may be already on the list.SouthParkFan65 (talk) 23:13, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selected article addition list