Talk:The Second Renaissance

message: The link at the base of the page says 
"External links
* As of January 2008, both parts can be downloaded for free from the official Matrix website: [1]"
The same link is at the bottom of the main Animatrix page, but dated from 2003. revising History shows the same thing for Feb 2005, prob others.. The videos aren't on the site anymore, from the look of the place, it's pretty much derelict. Move to delete. Geno-Supremo (talk) 02:25, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to Episode

message: Instead of throwing destroyed machines away on sea or somewhere, why not try furnace?
"sky-darkening nanomachine (ironically, made by the machines of 01)" - where has this come from? Dysprosia 
04:29, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, but there is the issue. See, your response relies partly on emotion - his response is to apply the directive to survive very, very rigidly. From a mechanistic POV, he has no reason to suspect that they won't simply try again at a later time - the comic version makes it clear that the owner despises him - she says while he is in the room that he cannot be decommissioned a moment too soon [language mine, but that was the gist of it]. The cats...are problematic. I've got no idea why he kills them. 84.64.223.125 00:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Economics

message: I have removed (again) the transcript inserted by 203.115.*.*, on the rationale that it unnecessarily duplicates the summary we already have.  (Also, even though I may be a Negativland fan, I don't see any point in courting more fair use disputes than we absolutely have to.)  Furthermore, I have restored several paragraphs to the Commentary section, making minor edits for clarity.  The commentary material we have at present isn't great, but it makes important points.  I have the feeling that most of the objections and counter-objections our Commentary presents have been made time and time again, in many fora of SF debate.  The Matrix v. Thermodynamics seems to be an old, old topic, practically common knowledge. Nevertheless, if somebody could find just one external link, I'd be a great deal happier.
Anville 21:08, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation of edits 

message: Obviously, the Buddhist monks talking to some soldiers in the trenches.
The interesting scene where a priest-like figure pushes an elaborately-decorated television on wheels, where a white-haired Christian evangelist preaches.
The part where Muslim soldiers pray- as they bow down, a tank rolls across their path.  Worshipping war hinted?
Also, I don't think a soldier commits suicide- the injection was probably steroids to help cope with the battle.
And I don't think the burning flag is a UN one.  could be anything.
:Agreed. I think the scene with soldier shooting up is during a sequence Maeda describes as "humans reverting to a primitive state", following the initial battles and their solar-powered equipment failing. It's definitely a drug injector.--YoungFreud 20:37, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Religious Elements

message: I know the sequence opens with a mandala, but how exactly is the narrator "Hindu-like"? Can someone give a source on this? Xastic 16:23, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hindu-like?

message: Sorry, I asked a question that was already answered. I got rid of my post. Dance Definitive CY 10:54, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Event that occured. 

message: My own interpretation of the Matrix is that the machines were still under a programming restriction similar to Isaac Asimov's Zeroth Law of Robotics. Machines are of course capable of killing individual humans - or even large numbers - but are incapable of wiping out the race as a whole. The purpose of the Matrix is therefore not energy generation, but merely to keep the human population docile and under control so as to assure the Zeroth Law is maintained. --Brasswatchman 05:20, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal Interpretation

message: I'd like to know what was the title of that techno track used in the battle scene of the Second Renaissance. If anyone knows, just post a reply. I'd definitely appreciate it! Peace out!
BTW, The Second Renaissance rocks!
overseaer
Supermoves - Overseer --Whywhywhy 12:10, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music from the Battle Scene 

message: I removed this line:
"Though it would be entirely possible for the machines to simply bore into the earth's surface and use thermoelectric energy instead."
and changed by it:
"Still, as humans don't gererate energy from nothing, other power sources would probably be better. Humans as power sources is one of the least acceptable concepts presented in Matrix universe."
As this suposition is irrelevant, and because it is not entirelly correct.
The heat of the core of the Earth is partially by the heat irradiation of the sun. Then darking a stratosphere would make the magma core of Earth shrink over the years. Larguelly using it as a power source over the Earth would shrink it much faster.
The explanation of Zion in Matrix even give an insight of this. It explains Zion has been built near the Earth's core, what's left of it on a cold Earth.
I highly disagree, however, about using human bodies as the power source for machines, as sugested in movies. Human need a "power source" themselves to work, and is not much efficient (great part of the energy in the food we eat is wasted in the conversion to molecular energy inside the cells). Humans simply dont "generate" energy.
It is a curious debate of how the machines suply food to humans, though...
It's true, humans require energy much more energy input just to function and their output is far less than input. Therefore meaning humans use more power than they put out again through thermal or kenetic energy. It has been suggested many times that the matrix isn't acutally some kind of power plant, but a place to contain humanity or it is used to start the activation process to produce energy through some other process.
: ⇒ <SSPecteR> The movie is very clear about that. It IS a power plant.The dark cloud was supposed to be the motive of Matrix's built. ♠ Monday, 2006-06-12, 23:30
:: It was stated in the movie that the humans we're being used as a source of energy, that is true
but you may want to take a step back, and look at the bigger picture, then take two steps forward and examine in detail
the movie states that the machines use the energy humans produce, coupled with a form of fusion. this begs the question, why not just use the fusion, rather than waste energy on humans?
the machines are not stupid, i am of the opion that they would not try and make this work is there wasn't another reason behind it
and the explaination that the machines use humans to produce energy is told by a human, who dispite being highly intelligent, does not know everything, seeing as he does not know what year it is, who struck first, one might surmise that it is possible that the humans of zion only assume and believe that the machines use those humans still pluged into the matrix as their primary energy source, i don't think that, besides cypher, anyone has really tried to have a chat about how things are run with one of the machines, though perhaps the information was gleened from the orical, but then again the orical has told untruths to direct the free human populas towards the end of human machine cooperation.--Manwithbrisk 22:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supositions about the new energy source of machines 

message: I think that most if not all of the commentary section can be deleted as original research. This is no place for fancruft. I'll wait a few days to see if someone can find sources, etc. for this. Savidan 06:27, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, although possibly some of the discussion of the setting's scientific problems (if not the fan explanations) could be moved to the Matrix series. --Nick RTalk 11:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Nick R regarding salvage of the text.  Especially since, though its fancruft, much of it is more sensible than canon (though this isn't a valid reason for keeping in in WP).  If text is moved to the Matrix series, perhaps it could be tightened somewhat.  It's bloaty fancruft to boot.  --Plumbago 12:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, whatever's transferred definitely needs to be condensed. --Nick RTalk 12:58, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commentary 

message: Earlier I edited the begin/end years of the Second Renaissance as according to the "Bits and Pieces of Information" comic (which was written by the Wachowski Bros, BTW). Since then someone has re-edited the dates to be around 2073 and 2090.  The comic is headed "World History, 2nd Renaissance, 2090-2139".  I would like to know where they found the 2073/2090 dates; my source is straight from the 'horses mouth as it were.
Slice13 03:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates of the 2nd Renaissance 

message: Ok, I kept watching the battle several times (Had nightmares too), and I can't stop thinking about a few things. Reading what was said above, I figure "Hey, maybe I should ask these people who actually bought the DVD or would have general info related to the questions". Now the questions:
During the battle, you hear several of the humans communicating to each other from what appears to be remote locations. The first example would be the scene depicting the two humans shooting at the machine before them, who stands there like nothing is happening. The audio heard (along with hand motions of the soldier) sounded like: "Allright A(?) Team, back outta there, give us some air support firing(?) along the fourth track of the south-east quadrant". The scene itself was interrupted by the soldier making hand gestures being ran through by a tentacle, while his teammate doesn't seem to notice. Now, in relation to real-life combat (or, comparing the battle to a real life situation), who would have been the one who said that above mentioned dialogue? I don't think it was the man himself, because he screamed after being ran through and the talking continued, even though he was the only indication of dialogue, from what I saw.
After hearing the rest of the dialouges (another memorable and somewhat scary one being the line where the tank did not fire at the Sentinal-thingy in front of it and the observer says "Fire the gun, fire the gun, at least take it with you!"), I was wondering how the director and voice actors were able to make their voices sound all "Radio-static-ish", which for some reason, is a voice effect im fond of. Also, I know it may be much, but if I was able to ask anyone for info about the battle personally (in AIM or so)then that would be cool. I still have alot of questions, but they're hard to ask now.
Thanks. Dance Definitive CY 05:41, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All I can tell you about Mobile Infantry communication (thank you MR. Heinlein) is that all channels are open to all marines. It could have been any soldier talking. Or someone in HQ monitoring the battle/channels. As for the audio of the video - it's just some generic programs that can alter audio files. Pretty simple.
-G  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.55.42 (talk) 18:57, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle Communication 

message: Is it not possible that the "Zion Historical Archives" are a Machine or Exile construct, or part of the Archives area of the Matrix Online? Jesse Mulkey 14:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most likely it is. Jamen Somasu (talk) 12:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zion Historical Archives 

message: There's amerge tag ,but no discussion about it. anyways:
*Merge --Procrastinating@talk2me 13:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge tag

message: The commentary section says the humans started the war but this is actually left unanswered. The whole reason for the gap between part 1 and 2 is to leave this open as part 2 continues after the war has started when the UN unleashes a retaliation strike against 01
:It is pretty clear who started the war: we did. Learn a little socio-economics. Don't get me wrong...I don't blame you for not knowing.Jamen Somasu (talk) 12:43, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starting the war 

message: I think there is a clear reference to the Replicant in Blade Runner, Roy Batty, who kills his master (creator) in the same manner. I'd like to include this somewhere in the article. Check out the images below.
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1724/vlcsnap5000277cq5.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2717/vlcsnap4999910jk8.jpg
Haizum 21:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blade Runner Imagery 

message: It might be worth noting that the idea of humans as a power source makes no sense whatever. YOu have to feed the humans, and you could get more energy from whatever you are feeding them with by burning it directly for fuel. If blocking out the sun shuts down the machines, then it will shut down food production too.
In general, this and The Matrix betray an assumption that there is no limit to resources, no limit on how big civilisation can possibly grow.
:: this is what they used to feed the humans - they say it in the first film.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.214.8.95 (talk) 14:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sign your comments. --Haizum    μολὼν λαβέ 10:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Makes no sense 

message: Is there some symbolism for the boy that runs in the snow to his parents that turn into agents and his clothes burn off?  --Shanedidona 18:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly the first generation of mankind to be BORN in the Matrix?
-G  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 06:07, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boy 

message: The name "The Second Renaissance" can be abridged into an acronym TSR and incidentally the acronym TSR stands for "Terminate and Stay Resident Programs" which is the most basic kind of a virus - don't know if that too a symbolism like most other things in the Matrix series which either have a relation to technology or history or mythology!
Nikhil Umesh 18:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The anim Title - TSR? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:B1-66ER.jpg.jpg

message: In the voice-over feature of The Second Renaissance Part 2, the director clearly states that the city that is destroyed by the self-destructing machine is Manhattan. I'd change this from New York City but then that might conflict with a few other things that I can't be bothered checking. --220.237.226.185 (talk) 10:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Destroyed city in Part 2 

message: You do realize that the Japanese version is the real version, right? A lot of the dialogue was changed from the original to the English one (as it so often happens in anime). This page needs a serious renovation.Jamen Somasu (talk) 12:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Serious flaws to this article

message: I couldn't find music from Trench scene, scene just before battle scene.
Is there anyone know the music name?
If you know, please notice me. Nalcube (talk) 12:55, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music from trench scene