Talk:Cut-up technique

message: "Some have suggested these practices are a form of cut-ups, but most such musicians are probably unaware of Tzara, Burroughs or Gysin (DJ Spooky being an exception)." 
DJ Spooky is likely not the only literate and historically knowlegeable person in hip-hop or electronic music. Consider revision. unsigned comment by User:84.222.71.200, way back on 07:16, 14 February 2005
:The implication is not that hip-hoppers are illiterate, but that their technique is derived from musical precedents (e.g. Jamaican sound systems & toasting, which had made their way to the Bronx by the late '70s), rather than from literary techniques. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 16:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just removed what's left of this paragraph (which in any event, lacked any attribution though it's been an issue on this discussion page since Feb. 2005).  Again, hip-hop and sound collage are audio techniques; cut-up is a literary technique. All may be forms of collage but "collage" does not equal "cut-up". See my comments elsewhere on this talk page. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 19:51, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Literacy of hiphoppers 

message: Would the solo from The Beatles' "Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite" fit into this category, or does it have to do only with words (they cut recordings of the instrument into irregular lengths, threw them into the air, and taped them back together at random, not even checking to see if they were forwards or backwards)?
:An interesting idea. I see no reason why cut-up technique or its originators would have frowned on such a process, so add a mention if you feel up for it. sjc
:More likely that The Beatles and/or George Martin were influenced by musique concrete which has been around almost as long as tape recorders have been available. For all I know, musique concrete was influenced by Tzara's earlier methods, but doesn't necessarily have anything to do with beat generation cut-up technique. On the other hand, the practitioners of musique concrete and cut-ups may have been fully aware of each other. But it seems simpler to to trace such developments in psychedelic music, electronic music, hip-hop, etc. to earlier musical experiments (e.g. musique concrete) moreso than literary experiments. Gyrofrog
;Redux
On a related note, it seems more sensible to trace the use of a montage sequence in film, music video, etc. to Soviet montage theory (or at least film-related techniques in general).  Again, cut-up is a literary technique.  Both audio and film montage predate cut-ups. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 19:44, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite 

message: Why is this article considered "within the scope of WikiProject Visual art?" "Cut-up technique" seems to involve literature and music, not Visual art. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bus stop (talk • contribs).
:The bot probably did all the techniques in the Surrealist techniques category. --sparkitTALK 23:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, that's a good explanation. I'm removing the tag. Planetneutral 23:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Cut Up is visual . correctopiumjones 23 (talk) 01:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why WPVA

message: Is now blank~............... needs some work re Burroughs novels and other writers. Who will help?
porridge moved correctly to music
opiumjones 23 (talk) 01:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Literary Influences

message: I'm removing the reference to the Interpol video.  I'm not familiar with it but as described, it isn't a cut-up - a montage, perhaps, but that's an older film technique, and cut-up is a literary technique.  (This isn't the first time someone has cited a film or audio montage as an example of cut-ups; see earlier Beatles discussion.)  If anything this technique has roots in (for example) early Soviet cinema, which predates cut-ups (and probably musique concrete, for that matter).  In any event, there's no attribution for this analysis, and it appears to be original research. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 19:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Interpol video 

message: I saw this in the links. Should this be added to the article? 76.91.186.42 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 17:35, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean http://paradox.rambisyouth.com? I am not sure whether it meets notability criteria.  I am also unsure whether this is more of a cut-up or a photomontage (or both). -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 15:36, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cut up Collage 

message: I've added this link a few times and each time it has been deleted. I think this is a useful and appropriate website tool that allows users to apply the cut-up technique to today's news. Please take a look: http://www.publicassemblage.com The site appears to be a free tool that can be used by anybody (as long as they have flash) and is directly related to the cut-up technique. If you are removing this link, please explain your reasoning. In my opinion this site could only encourage the use of the cut-up technique.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitlegit (talk • contribs) 19:57, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  link to online cut-up technique tool 

message: I am always wary about "ancestors" for the 20th century avant-garde and esp. for stuff like comics, but Caleb Whitefoord around 1766 did a lot of WSB-stuff with newspapers, Austin Kleon and others have recently noticed, I have been told about it by :de:User:F2hg.amsterdam.--Radh (talk) 10:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caleb Whitefoord (1734-1810) 

message: There was a good BBC Radio 4 documentary within the last year or so on Burroughs/Cut-up.  Would be good in External links. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:01, 3 July 2014 (UTC).
: The article now has text that cites that documentary. However, I fundamentally disagree with the documentary's premise.  Cut-up is an aleatory technique; deliberately re-editing a Ronald Reagan speech (for example) is the opposite of aleatory.  Such efforts may have been inspired by cut-ups, but they're not the same.  The BBC program seems to have confused cut-up with montage/collage in general.  Cut-up is a type of collage but collages are not necessarily cut-ups (i.e. aleatory).  I'm inclined to remove this information as per WP:ONUS but for now I'm going to flag it. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 02:36, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have gone ahead and removed the section, based on my earlier comment. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 19:35, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: BBC documentary

message: Bob Dylan is often said to have used this technique and it is not unlikley. But there is no evidence for asserting this is so, in his writings or in others' writings who have known him? 
Just people guessing? 
EDLIS Café  14:45, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob Dylan