Talk:Grand duke

message: The page as it stands is fairly informative, but pretty messy.  If someone could try to clean it up and make, it you know, flow properly, that'd be great.  I'm not sure how to go about it. john 07:32 24 May 2003 (UTC)
I'm somewhat disturbed by the confusion between Grand duke - Grand Duke, Grand duchy - Grand Duchy, Grand duchess - Grand Duchess. The information could most certainly be structured, and duplications removed.  -- Ruhrjung 08:13 24 May 2003 (UTC)
:Merged duplicates (Grand duke = Grand Duke; Grand duchess = Grand Duchess; Grand duchy = Grand Duchy.  They still need a bit of rewriting though. -- Someone else
::Now I've rearranged this article almost completely. I also dislike the confusion about capitalization, but I strongly feel that the articles should be at Grand Duke etc., since titles are capitalized (cf. Crown Prince, Prime Minister, or Governor General). I will move this article and the others accordingly, if nobody objects. -- Jao 01:12, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, this of course does not apply to grand duchy, which should then be written like that in all articles, and moved to Grand duchy. But still: Grand Duke, Grand Duchess. -- Jao 01:16, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: There are several different spellings of this style throughout the article. I guess some consistency would be desirable. I don't dare make a suggestion though, as a brief look into Talk:Transliteration of Russian into English convinced me to better not get involved in this kind of trench warfare.
--BjKa 13:18, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Veliky Kniaz

message: The article says:
:From 1809 to 1917 the Emperor of Russia was also the Grand Duke of Finland, a title often rendered imprecisely as Grand Duke of Finland.
Presumably there is supposed to be some difference between the two Finnish titles are written here because at present the sentence makes no sense. Carina22 21:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Apparent error

message: There is no femenine of Duke or Grand Duke. A woman who held such a possition would also be a Duke or Grand Duke (QEII is Duke of Normand). technically a woman can only be a soveriegn duke.(Morcus (talk) 16:20, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so. The sisters Marie-Adélaïde and Charlotte of Luxembourg are always referred to as "Grand Duchesses" in English, true to their original French titles. For Duchess, I'll confine my counterexamples to the UK: The Duchess of Norfolk, The 3rd Duchess of Hamilton, The 2nd Duchess of Marlborough and Princess Alexandra, Duchess of Fife. Yes, the Queen is called a Duke, but that's the exception, not the rule. -- Jao (talk) 16:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Plus she's called "Duke" for titles which she doesn't hold to begin with; she is neither duchess (or duke) of Normandy, which the english crown renounced by treaty in the 13th century, nor duchess (or duke) of Lancaster, as british titles held by the monarch revert to the crown on accession, which means there effectively hasn't been a duke of Lancaster since the 16th century.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.57.250.142 (talk) 04:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Female version 

message: This article is nothing but a series of paragraphs.  It is better served being merged with Grand Duchy, which has nearly all of the same information, but in a more readable format. CsikosLo (talk) 20:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs to be merged

message: "The title  grand duke is used in Western Europe and particularly in Germanic countries for provincial sovereigns. " - the title existed and is fact more characteristic of the rulers of old Rus principalities as well as Lithuania. This is just straight up Western bias. Tagging it with POV until someone rewrites or fixes it. Volunteer Marek  20:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blatant, though probably well meaning, POV 

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