Talk:Phillip Bauer

message: Look at the wikipedia edit history for James Heller. Around April 25, 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Heller&oldid=50074544) you'll see the same edit war between people who thought he was dead and dedicated followers of 24 who know that you are not dead until you are buried.  Heller's death was even more convincing than Phillip Bauer's.  A character had witnessed and confirmed Heller's death!  It goes to show that with 24 you need to see a corpse or a funeral to be dead.  Even with Audrey Raines, seeing a corpse was not good enough (as she turned out to be alive)! I say for argument sake we start an article titled "24 characters that Cheated Death" to show that this is a common occurence.  The definition of cheating death would be an episode which would lead viewers to beleive that a character was dead, only for him/her to come back in a later episode.  Watch all of the 24 episodes on DVD (not just reading wikipedia) and then you too will come to the conclustion that you aren't dead until buried.
Given that he was lying beside the rescue boat when Jack left him, it is completely impossible to confirm this character's death. Current status should be unknown, due to past characters that have been apparently dead, but then revived.
http://fox.com/24/episodes/5am.htm   -- The OFFICIAL timeline does NOT list him as a casualty. I'm saying he's presumed deceased, and anyone who wants to argue needs to come up with proof like this...
I agree. He was not shown dead, and he was right near escape when Jack left him. It seems odd for 24 to leave a death open like that if he were 100% dead. Leave it Unknown(and add possibly or presumed dead next to it), but he is not 100% dead.
I agree.  The submarine would also have arrived 2 minutes before the explosion, right when jack left.  This would be a great segway into a plot/subplot for next season. 24 is famous for leaving deaths like this open only for characters to come back.  His status should be Unknown or Presumed Dead.  Characters coming back from death in 24 has happened so often it has become cliche.  I'm glad new fans are watching 24, but watch the previous seasons to see numerous examples of this.
No one confirmed that he died. They said he did, but of course that was under the assumption that no one would survive the attack. They had no body and only believed he was dead and the circuit board destroyed due to the fact the oil rig blew up. The writers chose this "death" for a reason. They want people to wonder if he is really dead or not.
Do we need to see his corpse cooking? There wasn't a corpse with Anderson or Mason, either.
However, the Fox.com website, in their episode summaries, clearly explain these guys' deaths: there is no such explanation in that link up there (the closest they come is saying that Jack 'leaves' Philip to die about 5 min before the strike. There's too many unknown variables in play here, especially given Philip's elaborate escape plan. The website also verifies that he was only shot in the shoulder: the liklihood that it was a fatal or near-fatal wound is rather low (or at least debatable). 'Presume' the guy's death, but there's no verification to be found.
There's also the matter hat, after the missiles are actually fired, we are briefly shown Philip in the same spot, just seconds before the rig explodes. Really, he's done for.
Wow. You people are fucking stupid. They showed him right before the explosion, no chance he survived that shit. There's no need for his status to be Unknown.
Dude - check the james heller history.  His car was seen exploding in the water and he lived.  In "real life" james heller would have died.  But 24 is not real life.  james heller lived and we can't make the same assumption about phillip bauer.
Where is this explosion you speak of? Heller's car doesn't explode it just splashes into the water. Check the episode for yourself. Therefore there is no characters thus far that have survived a massive explosion. I changed the status to most likely deceased. Hopefully that'll be ok with people and 3 years later theres not going to be alot of people debating wether or not he's dead. I'd say if he doesn't return next season, more than likely he is dead. Budman08 04:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well for right now, lets just say he's dead.Green Kirby 17:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Status

message: Hm.  Should the infobox be linking to an error, as there apparently is no Phillip Bauer entry on 24wiki? Bitnine 01:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Broken Link

message: He injects Graem with an overdose of sodium pentathol, leading to cardiac arrest and his death.  --  I am unsure what Jack said, the drug did sound like this, I heard the Pentathol part but the first part did not sound like sodium.  This particular drug is a barbiturate and would not cause neuropathic pain.  Anyone with closed captions caught what the drug was actually used? I reckon it isn't a real drug, though I wish I had closed captions on...
--Jweinraub 03:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sodium Pentathol

message: The article mentions an injection with an "empty syringe", it's some time ago that I watched the corresponding episode, so I really can't tell for sure, however I seem to recall that some time later there's a talk about Graem's autopsy indicating that the medication (substance used during the torture) is said to be responsible for the death. So, in order for this to be consistent with the previous events, the syringe is unlikely to have been empty. Otherwise, the injection of air would result in a completely different cause of death, totally inconsistent with the events during the torture. Furthermore, Jack talks later about having had the impression that he stopped in time (...in order not to kill him). So, to summarize: I don't think the syringe is meant to have been empty.
What are your opinions? Please discuss.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.74.165 (talk) 20:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The syringe wasn't empty, it was filled with 4cc's of hyoscine-pentothal. When Jack went nuts and pushed over Graem in the chair, he told Burke to fill the syringe with 4 more cc's. Apparently he did a sloppy job of cleaning up, and left the syringe. Also, the reaction from the injection is indicative to using that drug.--Lan Di (talk) 03:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy about Graem's Death?