Talk:Abdullah ibn Abd al-Muttalib

message: Striver, you changed the title in such a way that you lost the 'ayin' characters. no doubt there are several ways to transliterate the Arabic, using Abdu'l-Muttalib or `Abd al-Muttalib, but Abd-al-Muttalib is not correct by any standard. If you don't fix it I'll go back to the old version. Cuñado  - Talk 18:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the page. Cuñado  - Talk 23:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Cunado19, nobody cares about the aynd, not in Ali, not in A'isha not nowhere. Please change the page back. --Striver 23:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the MOS. If does not have a primary transliteration (basically common enough to be considered English) then it doesn't need to follow any standard. If there is primary then it is standardized. I doubt that `Abdu'llah ibn `Abdu'l-Muttalib is a common household name. If you can find 70% of references writing it as Abd-al-Muttalib then you're welcome to change it. Cuñado  - Talk 23:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You want 70? That is 350 out of 500? Ok, lets see: Your version: one hit, my version: 506 hits. that makes it 506 out of 507 Can  you change it back now? --Striver 00:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: change

message: There is a link just before the section entitled, "See Also", which does not currently work, which I have tried to locate, but am unable to fix. Can someone please see to it?  Thanks. --leahtwosaints (talk) 17:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link not working 

message: In this article it is given that father of Mohammad, Abd Allah died on a caravan trip between Medina and Mecca from an illness, at the age of twenty-five. However, in article Hubal in wikipedia it is given that Abd al-Muṭṭalib, his father had sacrificed him on the vault of Hubal in the temple in Mecca for the fulfillment of his vow. What is correct? Can any body explain? Pathare Prabhu (talk) 13:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Abdul-Muttalib thought of sacrificing his son Abdullah to Hubal but did not in fact do so. He sacrificed a hundred camels instead.Petra MacDonald (talk) 01:58, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Abd Allah was sacrificed for God Hubal(?)

message: According to the Encyclopaedia of Islam, it is not certain whether his name was Abd Allah. This - distinguishably Muslim - name may be a later fabrication by the biographers (who lived some 200-400 years later). His real name might have been a pagan name, later changed to Abd Allah ("slave of God") in order to further "Islamize" the prophet's family and origins. This is similar to the name Muhammad which is actually a title and not a name. Already Tabari states that the real name of the Prophet of Islam might have been Amin (chosen by his mother Amina) and that the title al-Muhammad ("The Praised One") was attributed to him later.  
According to Christoph Luxenberg, the idea of Abd Allah being Muhammad's father is a later misinterpretation of sources. He reads Muhammad ibn Abd Allah as Aramaic Muhammadu Abd Allah (without the "ibn", as depicted in the oldest Umayyad inscriptions at the Al-Aqsa Mosque): "Praised be the Slave of God" - a distinguishably non-trinitarian Christian concept, referring to Jesus. That's part of the "Muhammad myth theory" put forward by scholars such as Günter Lüling, Karl-Heinz Ohlig, Gerd Rüdiger Puin, Christoph Luxenberg, Ibn Warraq and others, which proposes that the word Muhammad which appears in the Quran 4 times is not the name of an Arab prophet, but a reference to Jesus. They derive the Quran from the Aramaic qeryana, a Christian lectionary book, with the purpose to Chritianize the Arab tribes and motivate them to fight against the (Zoroastrian) Persians in the Byzantine–Sassanid Wars of Heraclius (hence the celebration of Rom and Romans in the Quran, as well as the glorification of Herclius as Dhul-Qarnayn).  
This should be mentioned in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.138.124 (talk) 11:46, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

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message: Sunni Scholars like Imam Suyuti has written several books to prove parents of the Prophet were believers and saved.http://www.maktabah.org/aa/item/953-parents-of-the-prophet-are-in-jannah-by-imam-suyuti.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.101.184.26 (talk) 03:02, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sunni Muslims do not all consider him disbeliever 

message: What does the following mean? I don't find Abdullah's name there as mentioned in the referenced sentence:
"Then I saw an old man whose cheeks were very red and who seemed to have a star shining forth from his forehead. He had twisted around his head a black turban from beneath the folds of which his head-parting appeared, sesame seed in colour." (Some accounts give the wording as "sitting on a chair of black samzsim wood with a saddle cushion beneath it.") "In his hand he lightly held a rod. All around him sheikhs were sitting, their heads held down, and not one of them was saying a word. Information had reached me in Syria that this was the time for the arrival of the ummi (unlettered) Prophet, so when I saw this man I thought it was he. So I said to him, 'Peace be upon you, 0 Messenger of God!' He replied in anger, 'Stop that! No! I wish I were he.' I asked, 'Who is that sheikh?' 'That's Ahn Nadla, Hashim b. 'Abd Mans.' So I turned away, saying, 'Now that is glory! Not like that of the house of Jafna!'" 
By this he meant the Arab kings of Syria of the Ghasszn tribe, who were known as the A1 (family of) Jafna. The office he was describing relative to Hashirn was that of the rijizda, namely the feeding of the pilgrims. "
How Abdullah's name is found here or even inferred from here is not clear to me. Kawrno Baba (talk) 16:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the reference of Ibn Kathir (number 7)