Talk:Seaplane Experimental Station

message: The category "defunct aircraft manuufacturers" etc is incorrect, since it was a design unit which didn't actually manufacture aircraft. Are there any objections to this category's removal? TraceyR 10:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: agree - no objection. MilborneOne 12:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll check a bit further - there was a hint somewhere that some aircraft were indeed produced, I think in one of the F3 or F5 articles. Would that make the SES a bona fide  manufacturer? TraceyR 13:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The British Aircraft Directory here has "Felixstowe" as the manufacturer of the F.2c, whereas the F.2a was manufactured elsewhere (100 by S.E.Saunders Ltd., 25 by Aircraft Manufacturing Co Ltd (?) and 48 by May, Harden & May). So maybe the category can stand after all. TraceyR 19:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Looking at the history of Porte and the Felixstowe flying boats it seems that the initial Curtiss aircraft were modifed in-house by the establishment. All the later designs were built elsewhere. So probably the category should stay - just! Ephebi 12:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to an article in Flight, 23 Dec. 1955 ("The Felixstowe Flying-Boats" by J.M.Bruce, which I recommend to anyone who hasn't seen it, along with further contributions arising from it, "A Postscript by an ex-pilot" and "Further comment" by J.M.Bruce), "all prototypes were built at the Seaplane Experimental Station, Felixstowe. Production was undertaken by ... contractors". I suppose that this makes the unit a 'manufacturer', but not in the commonly accepted sense of 'making something for the use of and/or sale to others'. BTW the "ex-pilot" referred to above was at the time of writing his postscript Professor of Economics at Cambridge. --TraceyR (talk) 12:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In aviation terms it was a manufacturer in the same class as the Royal Aircraft Factory who only built prototypes with the main production contracted out to others. MilborneOne (talk) 12:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: Just tried to edit to make it clear that the MAEE was not the same as the Seaplane Experimental Station other than being at the same location. As the MAEE had a life before Felixstowe at the Isle of Grain then to Helensburgh and return to Felixstowe the MAEE should be changed from a redirect to here and created an article in its own right. Leave this article to cover the SES and the RNAS Felixstowe before it. Any comment on my suggestion? MilborneOne (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 21:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Marine Aircraft Experimental Establishment now a separate article. MilborneOne (talk) 11:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: MAEE

message: Regrettably, see here for any outcome to date . The photos have no titles so they could be more generically associated with the base - that is about as positive as I can be.
Loomis himself - he is evidence of US service personnel at the base and in theory he should have had clearance to use a camera from someone?80.229.34.113 (talk) 20:12, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loomis 

message: * , including the athletics meeting 13 August 1918.
* Our Naval Power (Reel 4) Film of Curtiss and Felixstowe flying boats at Felixstowe, an aerial view of the base and a convoy at sea, 1917–1918. 
*Sons of Our Empire: Film of the Royal Naval Air Service at Felixstowe taken after the Battle of Jutland, including John Cyril Porte studying a map with some other officers, Curtiss H-2 and prototype Felixstowe F.1 (No. 3580) fitted with Anzani engines, Flight Commander Porte and Commodore of Harwich George C. Cayley RN returning from a flight in a Felixstowe F.1; Porte, Cayley and Commander Hubert Lynes RN together in front of a Short Type 184 seaplane, 1916.
*  Film of flying boats at RNAS Felixstowe, including an Anzani engined Curtiss H-4 taxiing, Felixstowe F.2A moved down a slipway on its beaching trolley and H-12 Large Americas being launched, one loaded with bombs, c.1917.
* Seaplanes Film of Short and Fairey seaplanes including the Short 310 and Fairey N.9; scenes of Felixstowe flying boats at Felixstowe, 1918.
* Felixstowe Sports Film of an athletics meeting for RAF and Royal Navy personnel at the Seaplane Experimental Station, 13 August 1918, including Charles Rumney Samson before the formation of No. 4 Group RAF at Felixstowe.
* American flying officer Lt. Wendell Phillipo Loomis Documents and photographs relating to Felixstowe.
* Seaplanes Film of Short and Fairey seaplanes; scenes of Felixstowe flying boats at Felixstowe, 12 November 1918.
* Felixstowe, Suffolk: Pioneering Sea Plane Base Audio recording of George Edward Brice who recalls naval aviator Charles Rumney Samson testing a seaplane during World War One.
:At 7:58 of the '...air stations 1914–1918' slide show, two to the left of Samson is a figure with beard in leather boots who seems to resemble George V, likewise sitting to the right of Samson in the film at 04:13 onwards, but in Naval uniform smoking a cigarette? The clown figure in hat and tails might be Porte? Difficult to identify in low resolution.Rstory (talk) 15:26, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old annotated links for reference 

message: The Flight citation and others in no particular order: , , , , 
The origin of the design was Porte at SES. 
Between Sep 1916 and Jan 1917 design work began following a visit from Admiralty representatives to Felixstowe. Flight is not explicit in stating where the design work took place, the inference seems to be Felixstowe, unless it took place elsewhere within the Admiralty - an order was placed in Feb 1917 with Thorneycroft. 
It seems further design and development work was carried out at Thorneycroft works in Chiswick between January and June 1917. 
Towing trials were carried out on the Solent during July 1917. Other design and development work (tank tests) seem to have been carried out at Haslar in the Admiralty Experiment Works under Robert Edmund Froude. Brown puts Froude's concave flare before the order to Thorneycroft.
Trust the above is some assistance. Is it safe to describe the lighter as an SES design in comparison to the Felixstowe aircraft?80.229.34.113 (talk) 19:40, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It all seems pretty vague really. Perhaps it would be best to research and put together an article on it or at least a section in this article, rather than just put in a list with no link or explanation. - Ahunt (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seaplane Lighter