Talk:Soyuz 1

message: The link cited in the text says nothing about Komorov cursing anyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Furius (talk • contribs) 
Yes it does: 
:Stories prevalent among those who worked at US listening posts in Turkey said that Komarov was infuriated by the balky spacecraft, and went out cursing those who had sent him in such an unready piece of equipment.
—Pengo 05:34, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Orbital speed is irrelevant, you can't go at that speed in the lower atmosphere, even if you have an insanely powerful engine on your back. Furthermore, the capsule is designed to have a stabilized and somewhat naturally braked descent thanks to its shape. But I agree that a parachute, even not deployed, would have provided some braking (I'm a skydiver), the terminal velocity of the capsule without parachute should be higher than 50 m/s Aesma (talk) 11:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Komorov cursing

message: I think the article needs clean up in the second paragraph.
"Mission planners originally intended to launch a second Soyuz 2 into orbit on the next day carrying three cosmonauts - Valery Fyodorovich Bykovsky, Yevgeny Vassilyevich Khrunov, and Aleksei Stanislavovich Yeliseyev - and two of those were planned to do an EVA to Soyuz 1. Shortly after launch, problems began when one solar panel failed to unfold, leading to a shortage of power for the spacecraft's systems. Also, problems with the orientation detectors complicated maneuvering the craft. The crew on the second Soyuz prepared to fix the solar panel of Soyuz 1, but heavy rain at Baikonur made the launch impossible."
I would suggest following paragraph with the kind of permission of the author:
" Shortly after launch of Soyuz 1, problems began when one solar panel failed to unfold, leading to a shortage of power for the spacecraft's systems. Also, problems with the orientation detectors complicated maneuvering the craft. Mission planners intended to launch another craft, Soyuz 2, into orbit on the next day carrying three cosmonauts - Valery Fyodorovich Bykovsky, Yevgeny Vassilyevich Khrunov, and Aleksei Stanislavovich Yeliseyev - and two of those were planned to do an EVA to Soyuz 1. The crew on the second Soyuz prepared to fix the solar panel of Soyuz 1. But heavy rain at Baikonur made the launch of Soyuz 2 impossible."
Regards,
Pranesh Bhargava 05:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not better, because it implies that Soyuz 2 was a new mission planned as a rescue attempt.  No, they were slated all along to go up the next day.  When S1 had problems, their mission changed. Also, I found more than 1 reference saying S2 was cancelled because of problems with S1, but none that mentioned the rain.  I'm not arguing.  I'm just wondering if that would have been the "official story" of why it was cut.  See if this is any better...Leesonma 06:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion in the second para

message: The possibility that Komorov was not the first in-flight space fatality is discussed in Talk:Soviet space program conspiracy accusations.  This possibility is taken seriously by serious authors, such as James Oberg. Vegasprof 10:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It think it is more accurate to say that it was taken seriously, by Oberg and others, but the rationale for keeping such a secret up to the present day doesn't make much sense.--172.190.50.66 (talk) 21:41, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The First Fatality?

message: The coordinates (51° 21′ 41.4″ N, 59° 33′ 43.92″ E) provided for the crash site at "3 km West of Karabutak, Province of Orenburg in the Russian Federation" actually place you in Cancun, Mexico. This is clearly wrong but I haven't a clue what the proper coordinates should be.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.65.49.220 (talk) 13:15, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't vouch for the accuracy of these coordinates, but they are in Russia. You, apparently, tried to use google maps to view the location, and it doesn't understand coordinates in that format. 70.113.47.133 (talk) 18:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crash site 

message: it says it was almost unimpeded but this is slower than the terminal velocity of a person falling in air.. plus the capsule started in space. this must be off by at least a factor of 10...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.162.253.44 (talk) 01:12, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No way, 10 times faster would be fasterthan the speed of sound. 40m/s seems to be realistic, since the pilot chute brings down the descent rate down to 40m/s. That's all. --109.42.240.1 (talk) 17:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: 40 m/s seems too slow

message: The info about main parachute and how it was hammered in its container was from tv-program where another cosmonaut explained it. --RicHard-59 (talk) 11:55, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main parachute 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Read the MOS:FLAG guideline. We have a general policy against unnecessary, decorative use of flags, except for  And also MOS:FLAGCRUFT: 
All Soyuz cosmonauts were Soviet on the early flights; flags are only appropriate for the era of international spaceflights, which came a bit later (mostly after the fall of the Soviet Union). JustinTime55 (talk) 01:23, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In lists or tables, flag icons may be relevant when such representation of different subjects is pertinent to the purpose of the list or table itself. CRS-20 (talk) 02:51, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It is only relevant when people of different nationalities are flying on the same flight. This was not true until later missions of Soyuz, especially once the Space Shuttle was retired so that Americans and Russians flew together to and from the International Space Station. This was NOT true of the early missions, when the Soyuz cosmonauts were exclusively Soviet. As long as all the flags are the same, there is no reason to include them. This was also true of Vostok, Voskhod, and the American Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, and Skylab missions. JustinTime55 (talk) 14:21, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Flags are visually striking, and placing a national flag NEXT to something can make its nationality seem to be of greater significance than other things. Here it is BEFORE cosmonaut name. CRS-20 (talk) 00:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless there’s some reason to be believe that readers are unlikely to assume the cosmonauts wouldn’t have been Soviet citizens, either from content in the articles about their missions or the articles about the cosmonauts themselves, then I don’t believe the flag icons are needed per :MOS:INFOBOXFLAG because they seem more decorative than contextual. If, however, you believe that to not be the case, then perhaps asking for feedback from some of the WikiProjects listed above at the top of this talk page by posting  templates on their talk pages would be a way to get others involved without running afoul of :WP:CANVAS. — Marchjuly (talk) 23:13, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

text: Just my 2 cents: use flags because the space race was very much a national endeavor for the U.S. and U.S.S.R.  Further, much has been made about the national origins of all spacefarers as there is a manner of representing one's country not unlike participating in quadrennial sports competitions. -- ke4roh (talk) 18:02, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of flag icons on early Soyuz flights 

message: When did the information about this flight become generally known?  The USSR was notorious for keeping information quiet, especially about failures, but the crew of Apollo 11 evidently knew something had happened.  What information was available shortly after, vs. what information became known with Glasnost? -- ke4roh (talk) 18:04, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It became known the day it happened. Look at the citation references on the page; notice number 4 is a BBC report dated April 24, 1967. Perhaps because of the Apollo 1 crew deaths, the Soviets felt they could not hide their first Soyuz crew loss, and the first death on an actual space flight. Also, read the "In Context" paragraph on the BBC reference web page for the short answer to your second question. JustinTime55 (talk) 21:44, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  When was this known?