Talk:Civil Service (United Kingdom)

message: Rewrote india and british relationship.  The Indian Civil Service actually predates the British one.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Roadrunner (talk • contribs) 22:41, 29 December 2002 (UTC)
thread_title: Indian and British Civil Services

message: I have moved "British Civil Service" to "Civil service of the United Kingdom" for several reasons. Foremost, the "civil service" is not the name of a specific institution - but rather the beaurocracy of any number of governmental departments. For this reason it cannot be written as a proper noun (Civil Service). Secondly, the civil service of the UNITED KINGDOM is not limited to England, Wales and Scotland but equally operates within Northern Ireland - rendering "Britain" an incorrect and obsolete term for the mainland. Finally, "United Kingdom civil service" is not as clear as "Civil service of the United Kingdom" - the second is compliant with naming conventions on Wikipedia. --Oldak Quill 10:15, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Justification of page move 

message: "A new civil service code was launched on 6 August 2006" - How is it possible for a new code to have been launched (past tense)a month after the present date? Anyway. Can somebody confirm whether or not it will be launched on the 6th of August (i.e. tense error) or whether it in fact had been launched already and the date is wrong? --User:Capreolus 19:56, 3rd July 2006 (UTC)
:I've corrected the date - it was launched in June.  Could you add new talk sections to the end of pages as it's easier to pick up. MLA 06:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Civil Service Code

message: The grade comparators are good, but only Executive grades and above are listed, up to SCS. The AAs and AOs have been omitted altogether. Given the preponderance of these grades in, for instance, Executive Agencies, does anyone want to have a go? Wisdom of clowns 10:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This version  had the grading scheme. This edit  took it out. Rumping (talk) 14:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Grading

message: "Offices of state grew in England, and later the United Kingdom, piecemeal. Initially, as in other countries, they were little more than secretariats for their leaders, who held positions at court. In the 18th century, in response to the growth of the British Empire and economic changes, institutions such as the Office of Works and the Navy Board grew large. Each had its own system and staff were appointed by purchase or patronage. By the 19th century, it became increasingly clear that these arrangements were not working." I understand what this means, but it could be a lot better-written: for example, "institutions such as the Office of Works and the Navy Board grew large" seems both ugly and not very informative (how much bigger did they get and were they perceived as becoming so large as to be unwieldy?). The last sentence in particular raises questions: if it had become clear that appointments by purchase and patronage were "not working", how does the writer explain the growth of the British Empire? If the lack of a professionalised civil service was a genuine lack, shouldn't it have been perceived as an impediment to growth? In whose opinion was the existing system "not working", and why didn't they think it worked? Lexo (talk) 09:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious writing 

message: At present the article says that the position of Head of the Home Civil Service has been combined with that of Secretary to the Cabinet since 1981, an assertion repeated on the Cabinet Secretary article. I've just been looking through the lists of heads of departments on pages 301 to 306 of 20th Century British Political Facts and this doesn't seem quite right. From 1919 to 1956 Fisher, Wilson, Hopkins and Bridges were Head of the HCS while also Permanent Secretary to the Treasury. Brook was Head from 1956 to 1963 while Secretary to the Treasury with Makins until 1959 and then with Lee from 1960 until 1962, when they were replaced by Helsby and W. Armstrong. In 1963 Helsby became Head of the Civil Service while Armstrong continued alone at the Treasury. In 1968 Armstrong became Head while also becoming Permanent Secretary at the Civil Service Department, and his successors Allen and Bancroft also filled both these roles. In 1981 the joint heads were Wass from the Treasury and R. Armstrong from the Cabinet Office. Wass retired in 1983 and the Cabinet Secretary has remained Head of the Home Civil Service since. Opera hat (talk) 23:58, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Margaret Thatcher's announcement in Parliament of the 1981 changes, including the early retirement of Sir Ian Bancroft and his replacement by Sir Robert Armstrong and Sir Douglas Wass as joint heads of the Home Civil Service is at Hansard here. Opera hat (talk) 23:42, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Head of the Home Civil Service 

message: Hi, I’m Andrew Clark and I work at the Office for National Statistics in the UK.
We publish lots of infographics and I wonder if this one on UK civil service (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_number_of_civil_servants_employed_in_the_UK_in_2013_is_448,840.png) would be of interest for UK_civil_service
FYI, the full gallery, updated weekly, is here <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Content_created_by_the_Office_for_National_Statistics>
All the best
Andrew Clark (smanders1982)
10 Dec 2013
Smanders1982 (talk) 13:38, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  infographic? 

message: I'm aware I have a COI for updates to this article, as I work in the civil service. However, I've just made a few minor factual/neutral amends as allowed for in the Best practices for editors with close associations and, as advised in those guidelines, I'm also posting here to be up-front about it. I'm considering what other edits might be useful, but I will post here suggestions for anything substantial. Scrumph (talk) 15:37, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor factual amends (COI advisement) 

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message: The following statement in the article is undoubtely true: Recruitment data from the 2018 Civil Service Fast Stream process showed that white applicants were 15 times more likely to be recruited than black candidates. Yet, standing by itself, it gives the impression of discrimination against blacks. Hence it is missing a NPOV. The number of blacks recruited should be in relation to the number of blacks in the British society. It should also be mentioned how "whites" are defined. Creuzbourg (talk) 15:39, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  White/Black comparison NPOV? 

message: If anyone would like to take it on, the overall article Civil Service needs some serious work. See Talk:Civil service#Why does an article nominally about a service immediately become one about Civil Servants?. Thank you. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Poorly written main article

message: Since the Constitutional Reform and Governance Act 2010 the Home Civil Service is no longer a term that is used, with what would have previously been the Home Civil Service now, along with HM Diplomatic Service, being part of the "civil service of the State".
It has now become practice to refer to this as "The Civil Service", and titles such as the "Head of the Home Civil Service" have been renamed to "Head of the Civil Service".
HM Diplomatic Service remains as part of the Civil Service. Recollect4741 (talk) 22:19, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replacement of "Home Civil Service" with "Civil Service"