Talk:Open-mid back rounded vowel

message: i'm no expert but i don't think rp applies this vowel sound to the word "ball".  it's more like a closed o for ball
:I'm an RP speaker and I can vouch for the description being correct. 213.249.135.36 17:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: <nowiki>[Is the sound correct?]</nowiki>

message: I'm a little confused as to why  is used to transcribe the Polish mid back vowel. The reference provided in the text is to Jassem (2003), but he actually uses  rather than . This is made even more confusing by the fact that the Polish vowel this is intended to transcribe is quite different from the vowel many American dialects of English have in awe, which is customarily transcribed . Can anyone set me straight? Whatever the answer to this is, perhaps it should be made explicit somewhere in the text, here and in related articles on Polish, and the reference to Jassem corrected so as not to misrepresent what he actually does. Alternatively, perhaps it might be worth considering using ? MJM74 (talk) 08:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's rather confusing why Jassem (2003) uses <e> and <o> for vowels that are clearly closer to the cardinal space for open-mid vowels (check out the vowel chart at Polish phonology).  My only thought is that ease of transcription was a significant factor.  As I mentioned here last year, Jassem also does this with the palatalized velars as well.   Received Pronunciation indeed has a mid or close-mid pronunciation of the vowel in bore (so maybe we should take it out) but I believe that the phonemic transcription of  is a traditional one and that other English dialects retain more open articulations.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 21:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I learnt a little Polish once and it seemed to me that the 'o' in Polish was halfway between Vietnamese 'o' and Vietnamese 'ô'. What these are in IPA I am not sure - it seems to me that regarding 'o' at least, IPA, at least as far as I can see on Wikipedia, is rather confused. ¬¬¬¬  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.22.44.144 (talk) 12:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

text: All of the sources I have access to say that Polish  (including Jassem (2003)) are phonetically, more or less, open-mid. Peter238 (talk) 19:43, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish vowel 

message: The diagraph <ull> is pronounced /ɔ/ GamerGeekWiki (talk) 03:33, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not so sure about that (and this article is about a phone, not a phoneme). Examples? I think people with l-vocalization pronounce words such as cull as . Mr KEBAB (talk) 10:14, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  English 

message: Hello, I have noticed that the preview audio for this sound is completely wrong. That's not an open O, instead, it is actually a closed O, and it's not the same as American English "off", Catalan "soc" or French "sort".
Just compare: 
* American English "OFF": https://fr.forvo.com/word/off/#en (JessicaMS's Audio)
* Catalan "SOC": https://fr.forvo.com/word/soc/#ca
* French "SORT": https://fr.forvo.com/word/sort/#fr
And now, after listening to those pronunciations of the Open O, check the preview audio that is given in the page: 
* The supposed "open O": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Open-mid_back_rounded_vowel.ogg
That's clearly not an open O like the pronunciations of above. His mouth is very closed. The preview audio should be modified, so people don't get confused.
--Glevion (talk) 18:07, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 18:29, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks! But I'm still hearing the old preview audio, I don't know why. I saw that you changed it, but the preview audio in the page is still the same. Maybe it takes time for the change? 🤨. --Glevion (talk) 10:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're supposed to hear this recording. Try clearing your cache or restarting the computer if that doesn't help. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 10:17, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

text: I am a French linguist from Sorbonne university who arrived at this page for exactly the same reason: the audio is completely off. It is quite evidently recorded by someone whose language does not have this specific vowel. The recording sounds nothing like the representes vowel to anyone who speaks one of the languages in which it is one of the most common sounds - that being the case of French, Portuguese, Italian, Galician... I could provide a corrected audio of it over the next days. 92.184.96.204 (talk) 18:28, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the suggestion. I agree with everything. Done. Dan Palraz (talk) 11:25, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note all the above comments were made before the sample was replaced by one by RoachPeter (see Help talk:IPA#Vowel samples revisited). Nardog (talk) 11:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The preview audio is wrong. 

message: If you experienced linguists are looking into improving the audio, may I make a suggestion?
I propose that vowels be presented on the audio in both long and short form.  
I appreciate that there are other length distinctions possible (e.g. extra-short, half-long), and furthermore other entirely different types of distinction (e.g. tone), and in some languages these distinctions correspond to different phonemes, while in other languages they are treated as equivalent realisations of a single phoneme.  But even so I think it is worth including both long and short forms of the vowels to indicate that there is not just one possible realisation.  
I am not sure whether it would be better to have both sounds in one audio file, or to make separate audio files.  
—DIV (1.144.105.189 (talk) 13:57, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the suggestion. I agree with everything. Done. Dan Palraz (talk) 11:25, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note all the above comments were made before the sample was replaced by one by RoachPeter (see Help talk:IPA#Vowel samples revisited). Nardog (talk) 11:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal:  include both '''long''' and '''short''' forms in the audio

message: I'm from the north of England and speak English and German. If I listen to the audio sample at the top of the page, I hear a familiar sound that I say for the word "or". Later on the page there are recordings for "not" (English) and "voll" (German), which both sound like I would say them -- but to me the vowel in those recordings sounds noticeably different from the audio sample. Clearly, there are probably versions of both languages that have the "or" sound in those locations, but I don't think the recordings of the words match the audio sample at the top. Can someone help? (In case it's relevant, I don't have the cot-caught merger.) Thanks. M R 9876543210 (talk) 20:29, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the preview audio match "not" and "voll" recordings?