Talk:Motorcycle oil

message: There are some major porkies in this article.  I'm trying to clean it up, so it would be good if others could double check my edits. -- Teutonic Tamer 18:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Porkies?--Dbratland (talk) 17:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ??? some big porkies ??? 

message: The information on this page is largely a repetition of marketing literature and since the claims of motorcycle oil's unique qualities have been strongly contested in the one citation provided, I feel the majority of this article is unsupported and biased. Additionally, since we are discussing motorcycle oil specifically, the sections: engine, transmission, clutch and cooling should probably be within the main section because they represent what is supposedly unique among motorcycle oils. Cooling could possibly be eliminated, as all engines which use oil are effectively cooled by their oil. Again, due to the unsupported claims and contested nature of the subject I intend to edit all or most of this article. Please provide citations if you believe otherwise.
This is also my first edit so feel free to tell me if I'm going about it wrong.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stupid user (talk • contribs) 06:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs work. 

message: I can't find a single technical source that validates the claims repeated in this article that energy conserving oils are bad for wet clutch motorcycles.  Anecdotally it makes sense, but where is the science?  Anyone have a reference?  Psyop1 (talk) 08:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here are some:  "Motorcycology", "Why don't we want to use...", "...energy conserving friction modifiers...".  According to Chilton's Motorcycle Handbook , this is a hotly debated issue (the book literally warns you that bringing up the topic with motorcyclists will start a fight), and there is no definitive proof that the presence or absence of automotive or motorcycle friction-modifying additives is always harmful to motorcycles.  They cite a Motorcycle Consumer News survey where a few riders   did have clutch slippage due to synthetic oils, but that's not much to go on.<P>The section has too much soapboxing and needs to be rewritten from a neutral point of view.  You can't ignore all the reliable sources that say wet clutches require motorcycle oil only, but there are also reliable sources that dispute, or at least qualify, this advice.  Giving out how-to advice on what oil to choose belongs more on Wikibooks than here anyway, so a lot of that stuff can just be moved over there where it belongs.  --Dbratland (talk) 23:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Energy Conversing or Not 

message: This article should be merged with Motor oil because it's not notably different. --THE FOUNDERS INTENT PRAISE GOOD WORKS 17:49, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I nominated if for deletion last year; result was keep. A few editors did suggest merging then. Also, a lot of the how to advice was moved over to Wikibooks in September 2009. --Dbratland (talk) 19:04, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, this discussion definitely mirrors the AFD, and opinion is very similar to what it was then. Sounds like this is a good time to boldly merge it. tedder (talk) 19:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Any last calls?  This will become a redirect to Motor oil soon. — Brianhe (talk) 00:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Brian, appreciate your efforts. --THE FOUNDERS INTENT PRAISE  16:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merger

message: I've added the first reference to an of-cited internet article on motorcycle oils. I had trouble identifying the Dr. John Woolum that's often cited by others in the AAMO article though. I may come back later and improve references on JASO MA. Lavenderbunny (talk) 20:42, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm concerned that the calsci site uses a lot of "borrowed" material yet pages are marked with a copyright. It's just suspicion and according to rumors. Obviously, it can stay until proven, but it's a tertiary source. The Woolum and other secondary sources would be best. tedder (talk) 20:46, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: References