Talk:Catalan nationalism

message: This sentence "Catalan nationalism departs from the unsuccesfull attempts to establish a federal state in Spain in the context of the First Republic"  is at least  NOT NEUTRAL Many sources would agree that it started the same day Catalonia loosed the war against Castilla (September 11, 1714, by the way the National Day of Catalonia). Please see the House of Lords Journals of these dates. Another point of view should be added.
=== References ===
* Documents about the case of the catalans dated on 1714, at the House of Lords, UK.
* Journal of the House of Lords: volume 19, 2 August 1715, Further Articles of Impeachment against E. Oxford brought from H.C. Article VI.
* The birth of a nation at the Museum of the History of Catalonia site.
--Paco ✉ 00:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not neutral sentence 

message: * Documents about the case of the catalans dated on 1714, at the House of Lords, UK.
* Journal of the House of Lords: volume 19, 2 August 1715, Further Articles of Impeachment against E. Oxford brought from H.C. Article VI.
* The birth of a nation at the Museum of the History of Catalonia site.
--Paco ✉ 00:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: It's widely known that the Catalan nationalism was essential in order for Spain to democratize its internal structures after the 40-year Franco's dictatorship. Without the Catalan nationalism collaboration, the Spanish state would have remained prisoner of Spanish nationalism undemocratic activities: state terrorism (GAL terrorist group, created by the Spanish government to literally torture and eventually kill Basque terrorists), high levels of state corruption, persecution and torture of Catalan and Basque activists and so on. Although many of these undemocratic activities are still taking place in Spain, they have been reduced considerably.
--Mreq (talk) 19:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, my god. Patillotes (talk) 19:16, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, catalan nationalism has always been democratic in nature. Spanish nationalism, on the other hand...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.129.33.227 (talk) 09:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

text: nah this has to be a joke  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.165.119.137 (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Great contribution of Catalan nationalism to Spanish democratization

message: I've reverted Diotime's edit of the caption showing the 2010 Som una nació. Nosaltres decidim protest, to reflect the widely disparate estimations of participants. 
If you visit the Wikipedia page about the protest (2010 Catalan autonomy protest), you will find that it lists numerous diverging figures for number of participants, from other reputable sources such as the Guàrdia Urbana (Barcelona Police), and El País newspaper. Rather than limit the figure here to a single source (which has itself been criticized for the way in which it arrived at its figure), I think it would be more appropriate to put a range. I see that as more in the spirit of honesty and NPOV. 
acomas (talk) 15:31, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Apart from the fact that neither the Guardia Urbana not El País have explained their methodology - which is explained in detail at the LYNCE page -, if methodologies with a sound technical background are considered unacceptable or put at the same level as information subjected to serious flaws (opinion-biased sources such as newspapers or even the organizers themselves - who are the ones who gave the hard-to-believe 1.5 million figure), it is better to remove the information on the attendance of the event. The war on numbers at Spanish demonstrations is a long-term problem where all newspapers and other media have been involved, and fueled by the heavy involvement of media in political confrontation and this is what triggered the appearance of the LYNCE company, after some other amateur initiatives such as El Manifestómetro enjoyed ample media coverage. We are too used to read that a demonstration was attended by millions of people and we now think 50,000 people is nothing, where it is actually something really extraordinary that reflects the expression of a very wide portion of the society - think only of all people that would never ever, no matter what, go to a demonstration.--Diotime (talk) 12:37, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a fair enough point. And removing the data from the caption is I think a good solution to the whole thing. acomas (talk) 17:58, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 Protest caption 

message: The Age of Discovery was led by the Portuguese, not the Castilian Crown.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.97.245.84 (talk) 06:02, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite true. Jotamar (talk) 16:07, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age of Discovery edit 

message: Untill the "Compromís de Casp" the king was not Aragonese, even if he was king of Aragon. He also was king Valencia and Mallorca, and in fact of Catalonia but using the title of "Count of Barcelona", showing by this that he never had been officialy set free from his feudal duties by the Emperor. But he was Catalan, of the family of Barcelona, and used Catalan as his personal language, at it's shown, for example, in the chronicle of James I ("Llibre dels Fets"), written by himself in Catalan.
That's why I think it is not correct to talk about the kings of the House of Barcelona as "Aragonese kings".
Oppositely, it's exact to say that Ferdinand I of Aragon was a Castillian king.
--FredericG  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.247.136.30 (talk) 17:00, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed Catalan king to just king, this way it should be free of controversy. Jotamar (talk) 15:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aragonese / Catalan king 

message: What is the difference (if any) between this article and the Catalan independentism article?  If none, can the two articles be merged? 
Gfcvoice (talk) 05:58, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all Catalan Nationalists are in favor of full independence, at least in theory. Catalan Nationalism is about promoting the Catalan language, protecting the Catalan usages and customs, etc, but not necessarily in a separate state. Jotamar (talk) 13:50, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Catalan independentism]] and Catalan nationalism 

message: In schools, children learn to hate what is different (especially if coming from the rest of Spain), while schools and recreation is decorated with flags and pro-independence Catalan and Catalan countries everywhere. Without respecting their freedom of thought. Like fascism sack.
http://www.elconfidencial.com/espana/2013/06/28/mas-hace-la-vista-gorda-simbolos-independentistas-en-escuelas-infantiles-catalanas-123794 http://www.vozbcn.com/2013/07/04/141615/aumentan-colegios-simbolos-independentistas/
Spanish immigrants Handling: teaching them to Andalucia / Extremadura / Cuenca, etc are territories uneducated foreigners, poor and without a future, alongside their wealthy and cultured gentlemen Catalans. Catalunya is always better and bigger and more free, more cool. So they have q be 2nd Catalan, as vampires have minions.
Handling teach culture from TV3 -regional TV, reality too mucho different and interested. See people actually induces maladaptive to live outside the four provinces and Spain increases hatred.
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/10/12/espana/1350042963.html http://www.abc.es/local-cataluna/20130916/abci-television-catalana-dedica-programa-201309161919.html
Handling Handling anger at independence all the better, because we Catalans are best at everything.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.83.137.184 (talk) 23:25, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  propose a new section: dangerous childrens manipulation in catalonia - for independence - schools,tv,etc. 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Catalan nationalism. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080628131059/http://www.bloc.ws:80/index.php/bloc/extended-local/ponncia_destatuts_aprovada_al_iv_congrs_nacional_del_bloc/global/ to http://www.bloc.ws/index.php/bloc/extended-local/ponncia_destatuts_aprovada_al_iv_congrs_nacional_del_bloc/global/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 02:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified  on Catalan nationalism. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20160304181721/http://psm-entesa.org/documentos/declaracio_politica_bloc_20b1.pdf to http://www.psm-entesa.org/documentos/declaracio_politica_BLOC_20b1.pdf
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141112191101/http://www.ciu.cat/fitxa_noticies.php?news_ID=4051 to http://www.ciu.cat/fitxa_noticies.php?news_ID=4051
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20160304030924/http://www.psm-entesa.org/historia2.php to http://www.psm-entesa.org/historia2.php
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.ciutadansdecatalunya.com/pdf/eng.pdf
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 21:51, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Catalan nationalism. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20131031142852/http://www.convergencia.cat/media/120.pdf to http://www.convergencia.cat/media/120.pdf
*Added archive https://archive.is/20121220061755/http://www.grec.net/cgibin/hecangcl.pgm?&USUARI=&SESSIO=&NDCHEC=0224838&PGMORI=E to http://www.grec.net/cgibin/hecangcl.pgm?&USUARI=&SESSIO=&NDCHEC=0224838&PGMORI=E
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140220183514/http://10anys.vilaweb.com/trueta/index.html to http://10anys.vilaweb.com/trueta/index.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 02:38, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Catalan nationalism. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120216043859/http://nacional.cup.cat/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11&Itemid=44 to http://nacional.cup.cat/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11&Itemid=44
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.ciutadansdecatalunya.com/pdf/eng.pdf
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 14:41, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: If parts of this page with links and translations of other wikis with references are deleted, it will be reported to the corresponding authorities.
Tolerance 0 with catalanophobia.
--Sylas (talk) 11:50, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Catalanophobia]]