Talk:Ottoman Turkish alphabet

message: I wonder if the two letters representing "g" and "ğ" (that is, the IPA sounds [g] and [ɤ]) actually represent a separation of the two letters.  I know that, in Maltese, there is a difference between [ɤ] and [g], so maybe there was one in Ottoman Turkish?  I'm only saying this because of the presence of "gayın" and "gef" in the Ottoman Turkish alphabet. Maybe "gayın" exclusively represented [ɤ]/ğ and "gef" represented [g]/g? --134.117.200.138 (talk) 02:22, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really much more complicated that this. There is no one-to-one equivalence between the Arabic letters and the sounds in the Turkish language. Ghayn represents two distinct sounds and gef represents two sounds; in modern Turkish 'g' represents one of the ghayn sounds and one of the gef sounds, ditto for ğ. 85.101.125.148 (talk) 06:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding "Ghain" in the Ottoman Turkish alphabet 

message: According to the table, the letter ﺫ zel (Arabic thal) has no middle form, but in the manuscript of the İstiklâl Marşı I see a zel in the middle of أذانلر ezanlar, the second word of line 31.  --Lambiam 10:35, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Medial means that it joins with the preceding and following letter. ذ does not join with the following letter in the line you mentioned or at any other time. Ordtoy (talk) 20:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I've added an explanation to the article, based on your reply. Please review for accuracy.  --Lambiam 09:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  No middle form for ''zel''? 

message: What does that character represent in IPA? It is obviously a mistake! Nasal-n. It is used in ALA-LC Transliteration for ڭ in  Ottoman Turkish language#Alphabet. According to Ng (Arabic), it represents . --Mahmudmasri (talk) 23:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But Ng (Arabic) contradicts itself! It says that this letter "is used to represent a velar /ŋ/ when writing Turkic languages. In Ottoman Turkish, it represented the palatal /ɲ/ which, before merging, was the velar /ŋ/." This sentence seems to mean that older Turkic /ŋ/ merged with some other sound and changed to /ɲ/ in Ottoman. But a sound change from /ŋ/ to /ɲ/ is implausible. In any case, Ng (Arabic) as it stands doesn't help at all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linguistatlunch (talk • contribs) 15:39, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{IPA|[ñ]}}? 

message: Didn't they use the  used by Middle Easterners? I understand that we, in the Nile valley, inherited their traditions in writing, even in spelling . It's odd to me if they really used  rather than . I believe the article has a mistake. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 19:28, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numerals mistake 

message: This article assumes that Turkish vowels didn't change from the time immemorial. Even 150 years ago, we see in the dictionaries with pronunciation aid that there were more vowels than that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siddboketto (talk • contribs) 15:04, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish vowels 

message: arabic uses an abjad lol
2407:7000:AA05:DE00:7158:4BC0:EBCA:A187 (talk) 03:45, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Arabic Alphabet"