Talk:Chile/Archive 1

message: Talk about irrelevance, but something is up. I found the link for Chile in the Totally Spies article (about three teen girls are undercover spies), one of the characters, Alex is Chilean or her parents from there. Was it already revealed or on a future episode I don't know. Is it the first time on international TV of someone, though fictious, is Chilean or from the country? I tell you she's no Borat (some of you seen the movie or the Ali G. Show recognize his name), an embarrassment to Kazakhstan and that's a real country Borat doesn't actually represent. Alex is more a child-friendly foreigner (but the cartoon is set in Beverly Hills, California, a real place) where some affluent Chileans fled to after the Allende regime collapsed (by coincidence). The globally popular cartoon's main audience is teenagers, but has adult fans. Animated in South Korea under a French/Canadian media firm, I wonder why the writers included Chile to explain Alex's ethnic (Hispanic-mestizo) features, but to mention the land will get people more interested (same happened to Kazakhstan to develop a tourist advertisement campaign to battle negative images by Borat hailed from that country). 63.3.14.2 12:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  someone linked Chile from a cartoon page 

message: This is just a nit-picky thing, but in the Demographics section, I was briefly confused by the use of XIX and XX to denote centuries.  Not that there is anything incorrect about it, but using a phrase such as "19th century" seems to be simpler and clearer.  Just a suggestion. 65.242.105.194 19:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics

message: The origin of the word Chile is not from indigenaus languages, it´s impossible, therefore they were called of another form to if same and to their territory.
I'm confused by this statement: "the indigenous Muppets word chilli"...  Muppets?  Is that correct? ~~Just Passing by
:"Chile" it could be an Aymara word meaning "cold". Lin linao 04:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the name 

message: Most chileans have no knowledge about their own history! To many years under Pinochets dictatorship?
To connect "Nueva Braunau" with nazism is pure ignorance. The german immigrants to the south of Chile arrived in the end of the 1800 century, decades before Hitler was born.
Most of the immigrants in Valdivia were democrats escaping from the Kajser persecusions in Germany. The ones that founded "Nueva Braunau" were poor german farmers recruted by the chilean government to "colonize" the territories the Chilean governement stole from the "araucano" indians.
( Instead of "araucano indians" should be "Mapuches" - Alex Hernandez. )
Many nazis fled to south america, including chile. Colonia Dignidad is said to have been a nazi refuge used by pinochet to torture people.
:That is true, if you head to the south youll even found in the X Region (the 10th) a small farming city named "Nueva Braunau", for those of you who cant remember, Braunau is were hitler was born. In santiago, the immigration of perubians, the lack of better education in the poorest sectors and the deep gap between rich and poor has led to an increase of at least 1500 nazi sympathizers in the city of Santiago. Of course, we in Chile are all "mongrels", even though i look very white, several of my last names are of Mapuche origins, yet, most of the nazis here actually refer to themselves as aryans (wich is odd, considering that none of them actually is). They are violent gangs mostly, skinheads. Needless is to say that they wont be reviving the reich any time soon.
::: Chilean Nueva Braunau was founded in 1872 (!!!) so even before Hitler was born, neither nazism was invented! So this combination to Nazism is rather coincidence. Think that is maliciously intended to combine nazism with Chile, but maybe also rather ignorance. The german imigrants in south Chile came from "Schwabenland" midth of the 19th century, most of them were atracted by the chilean government to settle in the south, as their working force in the inhabited area was very welcome. They had fame for fertilizing the land. So even if you visit south Chile you will not be able to oversee their cultural influence,. Of course there are also fleed nazi's after the second world war, like for example Paul Schäfer and his followers, that's everywere like that in the world, also in the USA, but they are really only few agains the about 100000 german originated people living in the 10th region, their ancestors came to Chile before 1900. Maybe there is also generalizing, due to that neighbour countries like Argentina and Paraguay had a quite narrow relation to the nazi Reich, especially under the Argentinian President Peron, they atracted and offered refugee to many nazis after the second world war. During the 2nd World War, Chile was a nation belonging to the allied. Last but not least, Nueva Braunau is founded by inhabitants of the today chech city Broumov (Krinice) ,not to confuse with the more southern natal city of Adolf Hitler, Braunau an der Inn --RapaNui 11:57, 13 Jan 2004 (CET)
The fellow above doesn't know what he's talking about. Broumov is Braunau; the other Broumov is on the Sudety border with Poland to the north. Nueva Braunau, as anyone can find out here in Chile very easily, was founded by Austrians - as were other towns in this region. I should add that Braunau was the original name, of which the Slavic "Broumov" is a variant. There is no history of Czechish immigration to this country nor to Argentina. Thus: Nueva Braunau, like it or not, received it's name from the town of Hitler's birth. If it's any consolation to the sensitive souls, it was founded before his birth. -- Marshall Lentini
::The south-chilean Nueva Braunau was not named after the austrian Braunau where Hitler was born, but after the town of Braunau in Bohemia (or "Böhmen" in german), actual Czech Republic, having today the name of "Broumov" where a lot of german immigrants came from. By the time of the settlement of Nueva Braunau that was german territory, there the explanation of the actual czech location. The statement that Nueva Braunau "was founded by Austrians" is doublely false: they were a majority of "bohemian" germans and they did not found the town, they just settled there. In fact it is not a independent town, but administratively dependant of Puerto Varas. The name is just a unfortunate coincidence with Hitler's place of birth. -- Joaquín Brintrup
Not even. Chile has a long history of immigration. If some Nazi sympathizers found refuge here wouldn't be surprising. Andy f 90 21:59, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The image of Chile as a more Europeanized country, despite the majority of Chileans have AmerIndian blood, would attract a few post-war Nazis to settle in Chile. Immigration levels to Chile is small than of Argentina and Uruguay, due to the geographic location of Chile faced the Pacific. But for a large German community in the south-central part of the country reminds us Chile was a land where many people migrated to restart their lives. 
The low level of settlement in the early days of Chile, once considered the least developed colony caused the authorities to consider a policy to promote immigration of people willing to work and develop. Chile has a peasant class but not enough field workers when there wasn't enough indigenous groups after they were pushed out or decimated. African slaves were reportedly scarce (less than 1 percent of the population) and not been very practiced. 
In the late 1800's and early 1900's, the Chilean government advertised to European migrants on bargain land deals, and job opportunities in nitrate mines, lumber mills and industrial growth. A mass hiring program to produce their acclaimed wines and pleantiful fisheries required immigrant workers.
Trans-oceanic ships had provided transportation of immigrants, when ships used to stop by Chile in large numbers before the opening of the Panama Canal (1914). Railroads from Argentina brought a large number of more immigrants and the government hired rail workers from Japan and throughout Europe to perform needed labor. 
Chile brought on a level of envy to its' poorer neighbors: Peru and Bolivia with the 1879 war of the pacific, when Chile acquired copper-and-nitrate rich lands of the Atacama desert. Bolivians insist Chile to return a portion of the Pacific coast to the land-locked mountainous country.  
To this day, reports of border tensions and diplomatic issues with Peru and Bolivia frequently occurs, and in the 1990's a news rumor spoke of Peru wants to acquire scud missiles to solve their problems with neighboring lands based on boundary conflicts (Ecuador, but this was settled in a 2001 treaty). 
I disagree on the idea of Chile is a Nazi refuge or a white racist haven, probably to insist a southern hemisphere country with a caucasian majority or an European culture was hard to native peoples. This is ironic when Chile is allied with the U.S. during world war II but didn't fight in battle.
All I know is Chileans are proud to be culturally homogenous, but a diverse ancestry of various races came together through intermarriage and cultural assimilation. Included are the 5 percent are American Indians, the Mapuches belonged to groups never been conquered under the Spanish...only the Chileans defeated them in the 1850's.  --Mike D 26 05:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nazis in Chile

message: : To compare Chile on economic stability with Latin American countries may find whom may be in a better position. South American nations tend to show more patriotism and may not like to hear other countries' achievements, but a massive pan-Latin American consciousness is under way for more unity feeling of Chile and other lands of the continent. Anyway, there's a debate on whether Latin American countries are under "third world" socialist programs or under an old world elitism dates back to colonial times. 
Mexico, for example, had a revolution to dispose elite authoritarianism and historic records spoke of peasants rose against the abuses of landowners, and after the revolution, a new republic was created and the 1917 constitution modeled on the U.S. called for democracy and land privatization. Today, the Mexican economy and previous governments are full of corruption and a one-party system (before 2000), mismanagement by state/ national officials, and widespread poverty in rural towns or villages.
I don't know who's fault is it made Latin America a society of haves and have-nots, but far-left partisans like former Mexico City mayor Andrés Manuel López Obrador is a presidential candidate and he's just as leftist like Castro, Chavez and to a lesser extent, Bachelet. The U.S. never supports a candidate with hostile and opposing views of our country, but nothing to worry from Chile. + 207.200.116.197 redirected by 207.200.116.138 14:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Chilean economy in the 1990s was one of the world's fastest growing, and a few under-developed nations poised to move forward (i.e. China, India, Iran, Turkey, South Africa, Malaysia, Mexico, Brazil, and with Russia and Eastern Europe). Copper remains a major byproduct of Chile, but economic planning in the Pinochet regime expanded byproducts and natural resources: Fish, wines, winter fruits, offshore petroleum and industrial manufacturing. NAFTA attempted to include Chile in the 1990's, but a free trade agreement in 2001 increased economic growth with the U.S. and Canada.
The Chileans heavily trade with Europe, Japan, China, South Korea, Australia and oil-rich Kuwait, since it's believed Pinochet has petroleum stocks. In the gulf war, Chilean arms dealer billionaire Carlos Cardoen was accused of profiteering from Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein by his arms supply. The economy must did well, then when you hear of ITT, Ford, Kennecott, Wal-Mart, the Home Depot and Microsoft brokered deals in Chile, this is like we got a new "Asian Tiger" but in South America.
I hope Michele Bachelet will bring forth new prosperity like predecessors Alywin and Lagos did in the 1990s, except for a mild recession in 2000-01. General Pinochet's globally publicized trial for his role in having Spanish agents killed, and human rights accusations brought Chile on the map. But, let's see if Mrs. Bachelet brings Chile back as an innovator, not only to have a woman elected as president, she's the 45th female leader in the world (historically). + 207.200.116.197 - redirected by 207.200.116.138 15:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economic stability in Chile 

message: South America is currently nominated to be improved on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. You can support the article with your vote.--Fenice 12:14, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvement Drive

message: Hi:
About the recent incidents of vandalism in this article. I just don't understand why they or he do this changes. Some of them are so meaningless, like changing the proportion of mestizos or the origin of the name. I just don't understand.
Albert 20:03, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics, name and vandalism. 

message: The "President Elect" is usually not a leader of any kind (and is indeed an ordinary citizen not subject to immunity, for example) until she assumes power. Please feel free to restore if Chile's constitution states differently but we shouldn't consider somebody a leader until he/she swears in and assumes his/her rightful post. Needless to say, this post is not intended to be neither an endorsment nor criticism of Ms. Bachelet's political ideals or anything of the sort.
Sebastian Kessel Talk 22:48, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fully agree, we can change it in March. --RapaNui 13:13, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Deal. :) Sebastian Kessel Talk 01:02, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  President Elect 

message: Well I don't know why you keep removing my post. All I did was correct what the page said about Chile to what the CIA world fact book says. (24.60.161.63 15:28, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody continues to rearrange the Demographics section, perhaps to serve his/her personal bias without actual doing any research. There are generally few unmixed indigenous persons in Chile, but the mestizo population was also recounted with a new statistic. Where did the statistic come from and why it was not fully stated? Please trace back your steps for your information and whoever deleted the origins of colonial Chile was unkind to do so. There is a paragraph from the encyclopedia britannica that clearly said the majority of settlers came out of Andalusia, followed by Asturia and Galicia. The Basque provinces supplied more settlers in the 1700's as farmers and herders, and some Portuguese fishermen in the 1800's. The number of German immigrants at 7,000 was deleted for some reason, but it gave a reasonable explanation on why Chile wasn't entirely "Europeanized" or there wouldn't be a cultural mestizo majority. The article didn't tell of a small settlement pattern of Patagonia, where it was developed by immigrants: Croatians, Danes, Greeks and Scots, as examples, arrived in the late 1800's/early 1900s. The majority are Chilean, yet many residents of Patagonia have non-Spanish surnames + 207.200.116.138 09:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics section 

message: (voiced palatal implosive) can't be the right symbol, can it? I think it should be simply . —Keenan Pepper 04:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops, you are VERY right. Corrected. José San Martin 11:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Pinochet, despite what anyone thinks of him, has played a very important role in contemporary Chilean history which is why I am wondering why his picture is not in the article. Maybe put the one of him with Allende to replace the Allende one thereby hitting two birds with one stone.--Jersey Devil 04:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not many people heard of Pinochet back when he ruled the country, but his name became notorious in the global news scene in his 1998 arrest in London, England for crimes against humanity (I believe he ordered the murder of 2 Spanish agents in Chile during the 1970s). The unelected military regime was first supported when he brought stability, but suspended human rights and up to 10,000 people killed in executions and prison camps, mostly political dissidents or part of a "left-wing" conspiracy. According to Pinochet, any one who opposed him should be punished and communists whom worked for Allende were the first ones. It's possible in the 1973 coup and air bombing of the capital, Allende was a fatality instead of a "suicide" reported by the press. Not only most Chileans began to dislike him, Pinochet was protested in Europe and the Americas as he faces human rights or military tribunals in an old age (in his late '80s) and was declared unfit for trial. I feel he don't deserve a picture in the Chile article, because some people in Chile and worldwide may dislike placing a photo may patronize him. Pinochet is increasingly compared to other infamous dictators (Peron, Castro, Hitler, stalin, saddam, Mussolini, pol pot, idi Amin) and his affiliation with the U.S. government has brought controversy in how influential U.S. foreign policy has effected the "third world". --Mike D 26 06:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture of Pinochet?

message: The article states: 
::Although labelled as "public" education system. the public education is not run y the state, but by the Municipalities [...]'
It seems to me that definition a bit confusing. Municipalities are local governments, so they are in fact a manifestation of the state. Thus education run by the Municipalities is public and not private one, even when it is not directly controlled by the central administration. To provide a more comprehensive definition about this topic, i think the article should also differentiate between school's administration (run by the local governments) and educational policies (run by the central level).
I also consider that the following statement is a bit POV and general:
::In a country with one of the worst income distribution in Latin America and big cities oftenly divided in several comunas, among socioeconomic lines, poor comunas has to deliver education to poor students, usually with low standards and high number of beneficiaries; rich district are well funded and manage little number of students since many parents choose the private education system.
In Chilean big cities such as Santiago, Concepción and Valparaiso, school of wealthy and big communes recognised by their quality standards (very few I admit) uses to receive students from other communes.
baloo_rch 16:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who keeps changing or deleting the education segment? Is the government behind this or a few Chileans possibly offended by the facts? The historical influence of European socialism in Chile has brought progress in public education, as well provides state subsizided health care and social security programs for retired workers are among the world's oldest in effect. 
In a socialist system and I don't mean communist or what we have in the U.S., the emphasis on creating a "classless" society through economic reform and to provide a sense of protection or assistance for the poor has been a top priority in Chilean history. If the government really fought hard to ease the pain of poverty, Chile won't have 1 out of 4 citizens in low income levels.
The decrease of people in poverty is indeed an achievement rarely found in Latin America, but Chile admittedly is socioeconomically divided in one half in poverty and the other in a middle class, though many live alike Americans and western Europeans. Only a small elite controls the entire wealth of the country, but unsurprisingly this is true in every country. 
The rural or less populated areas has changed little, despite mining towns and villages in the Atacama has a workers beneficary system and mainly are unionized than their neighbors, Bolivia or Peru. But the Chilean economy in urban centers was so stable and impressive growth rates, you find Wal-Marts, Home Depots, Ford auto dealerships and Microsoft computer stores. 
The sense of nationalism is strong in Chile as some citizens boost of their land's "great" facts, includes their territories in easter Island and a slice of Antarctica disputed with Argentina and Britain since the early 1900's. These are accomplishments for a small country with access to the sea and considering the country geographically faces the Antarctic peninsula.
Santiago is indeed an enclave of progress and prosperity, home to the upper classes mainly of European racial origin and Chileans have sayings for their largest city: "Santiago no es Chile". Another popular saying for why the Chileans, long isolated from the developed world, manage to created a land with a high development index: "somos Chilenos, somos diferentes".--Mike D 26 06:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education in Chile. 

message: The last three paragraphs has been written twice, thus are duplicates. This is called a "redundant" article, so I recommend to delete the second time they were written. Also to edit that in the 1970's, half the Chilean refugee population lived in Europe and the rest lived in Argentina. The current new population figure as of 2005 that nearly half (68,000 out of 140,000) of Chileans live in the U.S. and Argentina has dropped to a third (35,000). + 207.200.116.138 08:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for rearrangement of the article (directed to the wikipedian who read this above), since it makes no sense. The previous quote of where most overseas Chileans are is outdated, but Argentina is next door for those who went to exile. There are significant communities in Europe (not in order: Spain, France, Italy and Germany), but it appears only Sweden was listed. + 207.200.116.138 09:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chile: demographics , Article repeats itself 

message: Hi i saw that there was'nt Chile in the Category:Spanish Speaking Countries. i tried to add it by editig but in the edit page there was nothing but Category:Spanish Speaking Countries.
Felix Portier 19:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Spanish Speaking Countries 

message: Wikipedia has another article, Miracle of Chile on the recent development in democracy and the economy in Chile. The sudden shift in the country's living standard in the period of the late 1980's to the early 2000's made global headlines. A mixture of free-enterprise economics and the return of Chile's democratic tradition after 16 years of military rule, provided what the country needs to prosper and improve itself. However, the number of poor Chileans range from 15 to 40 percent and an economically thriving country with a large underclass can be potentially bring on political problems. I hope Chile is able to drive up economic growth while to bring down poverty. --207.200.116.138 01:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miracle of Chile 

message: Hi, could any experts on Chile take time to have a look at this article. It needs a lot of work or it will be deleted. Thankyou :) - Jack (talk) 18:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Alejandrina Cox incident]] 

message: Dear User talk:Khoikhoi, and all other interested parties on this discussion page.
I can't believe what a joke it has become at the article Chile. And by the way, I'd like to "thank you" (laugh) for your unjustafiably blocking me (yes, unjustafied according to wikipedia policy) for 31 hours for my having to revert Antarcticwik's vandalism. I'm still waiting for an apology, or maybe you could redeem that action by this time actually helping out appropriately.
I want to clearly express to you, that the problems at Chile, and Latin America, and Andalusia, and Quechua, and Southern Cone, and all the other articles Antarcticwik or any of his IP's and/or sockppuppets have eddited, are not content disputes, as you have suggested. As for the Chile article, Antarcticwik hasn't engaged in discussion nor is his actions based on a dispute, he merely deletes all sources and text, mainly in the demographics and economics section. And he has reverted yet again. When will it stop!
I just want you to see the vandalism that his edits do to the page:
From:
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...fell from 46% in 1987 to around 18.8% as procclaimed by the then president Ricardo Lagos in 2005 Critics in Chile, however, argue true poverty numbers are considerably higher than officially published figures. In 2006, according to statistics released by Chile's CAS Informática, around 58% of Chileans lived near or below poverty levels; 20.6% in extreme poverty. Despite enjoying a comparatively high GDP compared to most other countries of Latin America, Chile also suffers from one of the most uneven distributions of wealth in the world, ahead only of Brazil in the Latin American region and lagging behind even of most developing sub-Saharan African nations. Chile's top 10 richest percentile possesses 90 percent of the country's wealth. On the national level, 6.2% of the population belonged to "Grupo ABC1" upper economic bracket, 15% belonged to "Grupo C2" middle economic bracket, 21% to "Grupo C3" lower middle economic bracket, 38% to "Grupo D" lower economic braket, and 20% to "Grupo E" extreme poor economic bracket."
To:
"...fell from 46% in 1987 to around 18.8% as procclaimed by the then president Ricardo Lagos"
From:
Demographics
 
thumb|300px|Chilean children during the annual Fiestas Patrias, or National Celebrations
The Spanish conquest of Chile and the subsequent intermarriages between colonial Spanish immigrants and indigenous Amerindian tribes "began a process of racial and cultural mix which gave birth to the Chilean people." The country's population is thus relatively homogeneous, with most being of mestizo — mixed Spanish and Amerindian — descent, although in various degrees of admixture. See Population background below.
About 85% of the country's population lives in urban areas, with 40% living in Greater Santiago. Chile's population growth is among the lowest in Latin America, at around 0.97%, it comes third only to Uruguay and Cuba.
Population background
The ethnic composition of Chileans is marked by a socio-genetic gradient where Amerindian admixture typically correlates to social levels.  Amerindian contribution tends to be strongest in the lower echelons of society, with the middle majority presenting a more balanced degree of both European and Amerindian ancestry, while the upper echelons of society tend to register the lowest degree of Amerindian contribution. Almost the entirety of the population, however, presents a racially mixed origin, and only a small minority can truly be said to be unmixed European or unmixed Amerindian. The unmixed Amerindian population is in fact said to be now extinct.
Nevertheless, based solely on physical appearance, between 5 and 10% of the current population would be classified as Amerindian, some 30% would be classified as white, and the remaining majority, between 60 and 65%, would be the discernably mestizo population that has a certain tendancy towards a slightly greater input on the European side and averages a racial mixture not much lower than the average ratio for Chile's overall population.
According to the Program of Human Genetics of the University of Chile, the average ratio of racial mixture for Chile's overall population, calculated by the use of nuclear markers, is approximately 60% European contribution and 40% Amerindian, depending on the socioeconomic level.  According to Rothhammer (1987/2004), that average ratio stands at 57% European contribution and 43% Amerindian. 
Indigenous communities 
Recognised indigenous community membership (2002)	Recognised indigenous community membership (2002)	Recognised indigenous community membership (2002)	Recognised indigenous community membership (2002)	Recognised indigenous community membership (2002)	Recognised indigenous community membership (2002)
Alacalufe                                        	2.622                                            	0,02%                                            	Mapuche                                          	604.349                                          	4,00%
Atacameño                                        	21.015                                           	0,14%                                            	Quechua                                          	6.175                                            	0,04%
Aymara                                           	48.501                                           	0,32%                                            	Rapanui                                          	4.647                                            	0,03%
Colla                                            	3.198                                            	0,02%                                            	Yámana                                           	1.685                                            	0,01%
According to the 1992 Chilean census, a total of 10.5% of the total population declared themselves indigenous, irrespective of whether they currently practiced or spoke a native culture and language; almost one million people (9.7% of the total) declared themselves Mapuche, 0.6% declared to be Aymara, and a 0.2% reported as Rapanui.
At the 2002 census, only indigenous people that still practiced or spoke a native culture and language were surveyed: 4.6% of the population (692,192 people) fit that description; of these, 87.3% declared themselves Mapuche. .
Immigration
Relative to its overall population, Chile never experienced any large scale wave of immigrants. Compared to neighbouring Argentina or Uruguay, where European immigration doubled to tripled their existing populations, the total number of immigrants to Chile, both originating from other Latin American countries and all other (mostly European) countries, never surpassed 4% of its total population. This is not to say that immigrants were not important to the evolution of Chilean society and the Chilean nation. Small numbers of non-Spanish European immigrants arrived in Chile - mainly to the northern and southern extremities of the country - during the XIX and XX centuries, including English, Irish, Italians, French, and Balkans. In 1848 a small but noteworthy German immigration took place, sponsored by the Chilean government with aims of colonising the southern region. With time, and although undertaken by no more than 7,000 people, that German immigration influenced the cultural composition of the southern provinces of Valdivia, Llanquihue and Osorno. The prevalence of non-Hispanic European surnames among the governing body of modern Chile are a testament to their disproportionate contribution to Chile. Also worth mentioning are the Korean and especially Palestinian communities, the latter being the largest colony of that people outside of the Arab world. The volume of immigrants from neighboring countries to Chile during those same periods was of a similar value.
Currently, immigration from neighboring countries to Chile is greatest, and during the last decade immigration to Chile has doubled to 184,464 people in 2002, originating primarily from Argentina, Bolivia and Peru.
Emigration of Chileans has decreased during the last decade: It is estimated that 857,781 Chileans live abroad, 50.1% of those being in Argentina, 13.3% in the United States, 4.9% in Sweden, and around 2% in Australia, with the rest being scattered in smaller numbers across the globe."
To:
"Demographics
Chile is a relatively homogenous country and most of its population is of predominantly Spanish origin, with varying degrees of native Amerindian admixture, the product of the racial mixture between colonial Spanish immigrants and the native Amerindian tribes. About 85% of its population lives in urban areas, with 40% living in Greater Santiago. Chile's population growth is among the lowest in Latin America, at around 0.97%, it comes third only to Uruguay and Cuba.
Indigenous communities
Those belonging to recognised indigenous communities (2002)	Those belonging to recognised indigenous communities (2002)	Those belonging to recognised indigenous communities (2002)	Those belonging to recognised indigenous communities (2002)	Those belonging to recognised indigenous communities (2002)	Those belonging to recognised indigenous communities (2002)
Alacalufe                                                  	2.622                                                      	0,02%                                                      	Mapuche                                                    	604.349                                                    	4,00%
Atacameño                                                  	21.015                                                     	0,14%                                                      	Quechua                                                    	6.175                                                      	0,04%
Aymara                                                     	48.501                                                     	0,32%                                                      	Rapanui                                                    	4.647                                                      	0,03%
Colla                                                      	3.198                                                      	0,02%                                                      	Yámana                                                     	1.685                                                      	0,01%
According to the 1992 Chilean census, a total of 10.5% of the total population declared themselves indigenous, irrespective of whether they currently practiced or spoke a native culture and language; almost one million people (9.7% of the total) declared themselves Mapuche, 0.6% declared to be Aymara, and a 0.2% reported as Rapanui.
At the 2002 census, only indigenous people that still practiced or spoke a native culture and language were surveyed: 4.6% of the population (692,192 people) fit that description; of these, 87.3% declared themselves Mapuche.
thumb|400px|Chilean children during the annual Fiestas Patrias, or National Celebrations
Immigration
Non-Spanish European immigrants arrived in Chile - mainly to the northern and southern extremities of the country - during the XIX and XX centuries, including English, Irish, Italians, French, and the Balkans. Smaller waves of Danes, Dutch, Portugese, Romanians, and Greeks arrived as well. In 1848 a small but noteworthy German immigration took place, sponsored by the Chilean government with aims of colonising the southern region. The German/Swiss immigration influenced the cultural composition of the southern provinces of Valdivia, Llanquihue and Osorno. The prevalence of German, French, Italian, English and Yugoslavian surnames among the governing body of modern Chile are a testament to their contribution to Chile. Also worth mentioning are the Korean, Japanese, and especially Palestinian communities, the latter being the largest colony of that people outside of the Arab world. The volume of immigrants from neighboring countries to Chile during those same periods was of a similar value. Chilean ranchers and farmers settled vast expenses of Mexico in the early 1800's, while thousands of miners from Chile and Peru emigrated to California in the 1850's during the gold rush.
Currently, immigration from neighboring countries to Chile is greatest, and during the last decade immigration to Chile has doubled to 184,464 people in 2002, originating primarily from Argentina, Bolivia and Peru.
Emigration of Chileans has decreased during the last decade: It is estimated that 857,781 Chileans live abroad, 50.1% of those being in Argentina, 13.3% in the United States, 4.9% in Sweden, and around 2% in Australia, with the rest being scattered in smaller numbers accross the globe."
Note that every single source and reference, all from Chilean sources, including the Chilean Census, Chilean Embassy, University of Chile, other Chilean university's website, Chilean science genetic magazine, Migration Statistics website, etc. etc. etc. have been deleted with text and all, including a whole subsectio, and whatever text he has kept, he changes the figures to his own unsourced ones. The format of the sections he vandalises are also un-wikified in the process, with all hyperlinks removed. And then he has the audacity to come to you and tell you to block ME again! I'm surprised that you didn't, seeing that you had already misued that admin privalege overme once before in spite of what was obviously going on at Chile and who the vandal was.
CieloEstrellado has countless times resotred the info box whose figures keep being affected by the reverts, including the deletion of the national motto. The entire layout of the article, positioning of pictures (one ontop of another, poking into sections and text, and horrendous paragraphing and punctuation horrors throughout, put simply, the overall structure of the article is destroyed by him. Just compare them; Antarcticwik and normal edit 
I see that you have only now have had to deal with him/her, and apparently a sockpupet of his/hers, which he hilariously insinuated was mine. Please! By the way, have you noticed they both, not just one of them, edited each others pages? (by Antarcticwiki at Chileuropride's, by Chileuropride at Antarcticwik's)
As I have said before, and will say again, this is blatant vandalism, and NOT a content dispute or edit war. Other users have tried to keep up with his constant reverts to his mutilated unwikified edition. He has refused to engage in dialog, and I have indeed posted to his user page but only to recieve no reply. As you are probably aware, the only pearls (in Spanish in Spanish) I have recieved from him were three personal attacks full of racism to every human ethnic/racial group immaginable other than Europeans, even Spaniards were attacked as filthy african, arab, semites (ie, Jews). He even said whatever "minor" (according to him) Amerindian admixture in Chileans is "compensated" (a word he used) with "real European" German blood (as he himself put it), or so he has made himself believe. Please, lets not even get into the proportion of non-Spanish immigrants that ever made it to Chile (never surpassing 4% of its population, only half of which were Europeans with the other half being other Latin Americans, and which all sources back up including every single Chilean source, and which btw is also text and sources that he deletes) or how "minor" the average Amerindian admixture in Chileans actually is (ie. between 40 and 43%) that is supposedly "compensated" with German blood. He has even tried to encourage others to join in his "MANO DURA" ("Heavy Hand") approach, as he so called it (in Spanish). Will you now do something to resolve the problem with him and the situation he has created? I think more than enough has been purpetrated to justify all his IP's and main account to be permanently blocked. Al-Andalus 23:47, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You broke 3RR; yes, AntarcticWik is going about things the wrong way, but the very reason that 3RR is in place is to stop content disputes. His changes were not vandalism; they were a content dispute. Even the administrators agreed on this one. 3RR only applies to obvious vandalism. I realize you don't much care for his changes, but no matter how much this is true, it's not obvious vandalism, whether you say it is or not. He has also been blocked for 3RR; now, I encourage you to work out your differences on the talk page; both of you; he is certainly not the only person disagreeing with you, and you could certainly work it out with the others.  -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 18:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism and content verifiability

message: I had no time to review the changes, but it would be good if someone can please pay attention to this before more changes are made to the article.
The changes made in this revision-by a non-registered user-include deletion of statistics and other important parts of the article. I could also say I saw some weasel words... --_N_e_g_r_u_l_i_o 16:43, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Several and deep changes in revision 87135392 

message: Regarding this post about the official language:
I've looked briefly, and I can't find any sources which say that Mapudungun (the language of the Mapuche) is an official language of Chile. In fact, the Wikipedia page on it says it's the official language of, and I quote, "none." I'm wary of the claim an anon user (4.239.114.37) just added to this article that it's one of the official languages of the country. --Whimemsz 00:49, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
As far i know (as Chilean) the only official language is Spanish. (i've never see any official document in mapadungun). In fact, i would be not surprised at all if German language is more widely speaken in Chile as mapadungun language : southern Chile's german immigrants preserved it language and it is not rare to hear it in Osorno or Puerto Montt. On their side most urban mapuche didn't traspassed the language to their children in order to avoid social discrimination and only in the last years emerged a movement in order to re-value mapuche traditions among the urban descendants. Baloo rch 02:19, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language of the Mapuche 

message: The revert warring on this page is starting to get to me. People are just reverting back to previous versions of a page, and any intermediate changes are being thrown out. I'm not sure that the page wouldn't be better off full-protected; I'm inclined to request this protection, which will almost certainly be granted, if you guys can't work this out on the talk page. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 19:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. Jespinos 19:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: so that? they eliminated the beautiful images of geography of Chile?
Antarcticwik 05:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That changes were probably made in rev. 87135392... if someone'd just pay attention to me... --_N_e_g_r_u_l_i_o 10:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your text cannot be understood, with or without pictures. And most of your pictures are randomy placed, disfiugring the aricle's layout. Al-Andalus 21:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images of Chile 

message: The phrase
Chile is a relatively homogenous country and most of its population is of predominantly Spanish origin, with 
    varying degrees of native Amerindian admixture, the product of the racial mixture between colonial Spanish 
    immigrants and the native Amerindian tribes.
cites two sources numbered [15] and [16] as of rev. 87447680.
The first of these is a PDF document that studies response to drugs in several ethnic groups and does not mention anything relevant to support the phrase above. I request the removal of this source. --_N_e_g_r_u_l_i_o 10:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: <comment removed, see discussion immediatley below> Antarcticwik 04:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What does this has to do with the document I talked about? I believe you should put this issue under a separate topic. --_N_e_g_r_u_l_i_o 02:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He already did. It was a copy-and-paste error. I'll remove the comment; don't think he'll mind. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 02:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Negrillo, your input would be appreciated in this discussion, as we are having it above. Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 04:25, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unuseful source in references - request removal 

message: Substituted at 20:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment