Talk:Characters of Kingdom Hearts/Merge archive

message: I dunno who wrote it, but I agree with it, and before someone decides to take it, I'll give good reasons to keep it - and no, it wasn't me who did it.
I remember seeing in every single website about KH that theory about DiZ being Ansem's (now known as Xehanort) Nobody who didn't agree with its Heartless. It had its logic, and it was consensual. So, it caught a lot of people off guard when we discovered that Xehanort's Nobody was the Superior of the Organization and that DiZ was the REAL Ansem the Wise. So, it's like a little trivia there about the theories, and it fits such an enigmatic character.
As a sidenote, why does this discussion page say "erroneously signed" when I write something? Yes, that was me who wrote those two, and I don't get it. I'm not a member (and wouldn't help that much if I was), so I did with anonymously, since signing wouldn't matter. Can someone explain that to me?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.75.250 (talk • contribs) 
-I honestly don't know. If it's you, you're probably really forgetful. If it's not, we need to fix it. -Anony—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.185.104.28 (talk • contribs) 
Okay since it's such a fan debate and controversy should we make a warning or some mention to the possibility of Ansem being Kairi's dad. It's fancruft at best but i know that somebody will put it on the article eventually then it will be cleaned up and eventually Apostrophe will get annoyed at us. so is their anyway to tell people that until the game developers say somthing it's not true, thanks you.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.95.154 (talk • contribs) 
:He isn't her father; his report says "It turns out one of the Princesses of Heart are here in Hollow Bastion..." or something like that.  That isn't at all what someone would say if it turned out to be his daughter...  Of course, maybe he's just really cold... But oh well.  Highly doubtful.  Not worth mentioning.  -JC 04:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all Princesses of Heart are actual princesses by birth (Snow White, Aurora, Jasmine) or marriage (Cinderella, Belle). Alice isn't. So Kairi could be an actual princess by being Ansem's cousin, niece, or daughter (the last being the most unlikely for the reasons Tagged JC stated), or simply a girl with no darkness in her heart. No evidence either way yet. We could state that fact, which might be a bit redundant, or leave off the speculation. Noneofyourbusiness 02:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Early Theories

message: Whoever changed all instances of DiZ's name to fizz don't it's immature and stupid. Also it's twilight not twilit—Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.184.52.18 (talk • contribs) 
:"Twilit" is fine, it's an adjective. Sign your posts.—ウルタプ 13:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fizz

message: I don't mind being spoilt, I set out to find, but the Ansem page is massively spoiler-ly. ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.237.247.192 (talk) 12:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the general consensus of WP:SE editors to not use spoiler warnings. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and we're here to inform people, not protect them from themselves. Besides, KHII has been out for over a year, and the price has gone way low even for brand new copies. If people haven't played it yet but still don't want to be spoiled before seeing the end themselves, it's pretty easy to get their hands on a copy. Nique talk 15:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoilers, yo.

message: ==Importance==
Technobabble1 19:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, and...? ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 06:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

text: While that may be of some importance the reason she is notable is not because she had her heart sucked out, in the first game that also happened to some random guy in traverse town. The reason she is notable is that she is the force that drives Sora on to completing his mission. If it weren't for her and Riku most of the events in Kingdom hearts would not have taken place. Gamewizard0380 22:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think it ever says who her real parents are, she says in KH1 that she doesn't remember. We can only assume that they're a king and a queen of some kingdom somewhere, since from the other 6 we can assume being a princess is a prerequesite to being a Princess of Heart. 71.194.136.20 00:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You forget Alice is no sort of royalty. And did you notice that post is from August of 2006? >>;—ウルタプ 00:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, in Through the Looking Glass, Alice was a princess in the absence of Princess Lilly. We do know where Kairi's home Kingdom is though--It's Radiant Garden/Hollow Bastion. When you see the flashback of Kairi's memory of her grandmother, they are in Ansem the Wise's castle in Radiant Garden. One would assume that if she were princess, and grew up in the castle of Ansem the Wise, then she is Ansem's daughter, even though it has not been directly stated yet. Also, in Final Mix, it supposedly clarifies than Ansem (the Wise, I think) sent her to Destiny Island to keep an eye on the chosen Keyblad Master.Bradofarrell 20:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Being a Princess of Heart does not mean that you must be a Princess. Logically, Ariel would have been chosen to be a PoH then (which still boggles my mind to this day), but she wasn't. Alice wasn't a Princess either. Also.. this argument is old. But to throw my two cents in: Kairi is not a fictional princess int he traditional sense. Assuming that she had royal blood in her is OR. Disinclination 21:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They probably didn't choose Ariel because when the Princess of Heart got released she'd be flopping on the ground choking :PBradofarrell 20:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The stupidest part of this argument is that Kairi being an actual princess is speculation. Last time I checked, WP:CRYSTAL clearly states that "Wikipedia is NOT a crystal ball". We don't know anything of Kairi's parentage (apart from her grandmother, who didn't really look like royalty to me), so it makes no sense to categorise her as a fictional princess without proof. As far as "Princess of Heart = actual princess" goes, that's speculation too. If you can find proof that Kairi is a princess - a real one - and that being a princess is a prerequisite for being a Princess of Heart (if I recall correctly, you only have to have a pure heart to be one), great - you can categorise Kairi as such. Until then, I am removing this article from that category. L337 kybldmstr 04:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

text: We are using the original Kingdom Hearts ages, so they should be fine the way they are now. // Sasuke-kun27 21:58, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is this so?Super Shaz 13:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

text: So we don't have to change it every time their age changes and so newcomers to the series will understand what their ages are at the beginning of the series if they haven't played KHII yet. Axem Titanium 16:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However, a new game is out, with different ages. Wikipedia is not censored for spoilers, and the distinction is reflected on the page. Disinclination 00:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Random dictionaries don't determine what goes in Wikipedia. Terms like "hero", "heroine", "villain, and the like were deemed in violation of WP:NPOV by consensus, leading to the deletion of many categories. I'm going to respect that. ' 04:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kairi is obviously more than just "a character" in KH, but using hero, heroine, etc, are POV. So how can we achieve a balance of this? Any suggestions? Disinclination 05:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is one more than "a character", again? ' 05:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: No. She's a supporting character. Kairi is not the central character for Kingdom Hearts; Sora is. ' 15:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: So we should make an exception because of a website? Why are you this intent on having Wikipedia describe her as something more than a character? ' 19:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Lead female protagonist", if you must use wiki-speak. She's essential to the story of all three games, she is on the central protagonist's 'side', Squeenix directly refer to her as a heroine. Heroine is POV in some regards, but not in this rather more archetypal fantasy with fairly distinct borders between heroic and villainous (at least until Organization XIII's introduction). AKismet 00:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That would make more sense if she was seen more in one outfit that another brief one. Go right ahead, but make sure you comply with image rules. Disinclination 19:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry, this is Wikipedia. Will you kindly use proper grammar and punctuation while you're here? It looks bad if editors don't look like they understand these things. Anyway, the parameter is not there to abuse. I think you're making too big a deal out if it by insisting that it stay. Her Keyblade is not a vitally important aspect of her character. Axem Titanium 02:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry about that. I was in a hurry and I usually type like. I've fixed my errors. Anyways, though it's not a vital aspect, it's still apart of her since she is another chosen one from the keyblade. Khiscool 03:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How was she chosen if it was given to her? The Keyblade didn't appear to her, like with Sora and Riku, it was lent to her by Riku--$UIT 04:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In case you forgot, "Khiscool" (pick one username and stick with it, please), Riku is a party character in the World That Never Was. You are overexaggerating the fact that Riku gave Kairi a Keyblade to use for one scene. It's clearly not a permanent thing, since it never shows up again. If, in the next game, Kairi uses the Keyblade often then we'll use the field. Until then, no. ' 12:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait... were you talking to me?--$UIT 04:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Suit and Apostrophe, when a keyblade is given to someone that isn't chosen, it disappears and goes directly back to the owner. Through this, we can infer that she has her own keyblade and a keyblade is a weapon. If it isn't, then is she going to slice food with it or something else? Apostrophe, I've finally made one and I'm sticking to this one. Khiscool 04:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Talking to Khiscool, Suit. Khiscool, you are placing your own opinions onto the story; we do not know the significance of that scene, no matter how much you try to rationalize it. Until then, the answer is still no. ' 13:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is my "opinion" wrong if I'm backing it up with facts from the game? Though it is only one scene, everything's from infering. So she doesn't own a keyblade even though a keyblade goes back to its owner if its not their's? Remember that a keyblade choose's its owner and when Riku gave it to her, it didn't disappear. A keyblade is for fighting evil so what else can she use it for? Khiscool 21:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: By the way, in the history of this page, it shows a different person that entered the text above. I just forgot to log off my sister's when I wrote the one before this. Khiscool 21:21, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "everything's from infering". Admitted original research, then. Thank you and have a good day. ' 04:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In No original research, it states that "unpublished facts" are unacceptable. I do agree with that too but "a keyblade choose's its owner and when Riku gave it to her, it didn't disappear" is a fact. If you don't remember, Leon was looking at Sora's keyblade in the first game but after a couple seconds later, it went back to Sora. Donald and Goofy also stated that the keyblade was to fight off evil, mainly the Heartless. Explain to me if they are not facts please. Khiscool 06:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "a keyblade choose's its owner" Says who? You're assuming this has any sort of relevance in this case. All you've done is repeatedly insist that your opinion of how that particular scene works is right, which has failed to convince consensus to agree with you. ' 15:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After the keyblade went back to Sora in the first game, Yuffie even said that the keyblade chooses its owner. Also, finding the "chosen one" was Goofy and Donald's mission so they could defeat the heartless and find King Mickey. If not, then they could've chose a random person. Khiscool 23:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and that very Keyblade allowed Riku to hold it without it disappearing. There's a factor to "holding a Keyblade" that we don't know, and you refuse to admit that. Because the first game said a bunch of things about Sora's Keyblade doesn't mean it applies to some Keyblade given by Riku to Kairi which we know absolutely nothing about. ' 01:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't said keyblade originally meant for Riku?--Tempest115 00:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tempest115, it was originally meant for Sora since it was a theory of having the true keyblade holder and a princess of heart living together on Destiny Island. Apostrophe, it's true that Riku gained Sora's keyblade but that was when he (Sora) began doubting himself and giving up all hope. The factor of "holding a keyblade" has been mentioned and explained twice in the first game by both Yuffie and Aerith. It was mentioned as a keyblade and not as any specifics to Sora. You too refuse to admit that the facts I've presented mean something and yet you keep coming back by saying that it was one scene. Just because it was one scene, many important means come out of it. Khiscool 01:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not even talking about Hollow Bastion. There are instances of Keyblades being held by other people. Riku held Sora's Keyblade in Traverse Town. Sora holds Riku's Keyblade while beating up Xemnas. Now I feel like an absolute loser arguing about this. What you want isn't going to be on the page because consensus decided against it. Until you come up with new arguments besides "What applies to Sora's Keyblade must apply to all other Keyblades!", I'm done with this conversation. ' 02:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true of how Riku held it without it going back to Sora but in the end, he got his own anyways. It's the same with the vice versa of Sora's battle with Xemnas. As I said before, Kairi told Riku that she was tired of hiding and wanted to help. A keyblade wielder must have a pure heart (like King Mickey) and because Kairi is a Princess of Heart, she's been elligible since the start. Though Riku had one in Kingdom Hearts 1, he had a pure heart of evil hence the dark keyblade. Khiscool 04:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Please, Suit, explain to me of how I lost. I haven't given up and yet I'm still not convinced that my stand is wrong. Khiscool 03:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While you feel you may not be wrong, the overall consensus of the discussion seems to be that the keyblade should not be mentioned as you suggest. Since Wikipeida is a community and no one person has ownership to a page or the information on that page, your desire to add this bit of information will have to be put on hold. Since the rest of the editors on this page feel that it should be excluded for now, any further edits you make to include it could be considered as vandalism by editors and could lead to your account being temporarily blocked. And nobody here wants that and neither do you.Regarding your argument, no one is disputing the fact that Kairi held a keyblade. What people are disputing is the lack of other facts to support why she could hold it and thereby make it her weapon. There are several bits of information about the Kingdom Hearts universe that the games and Nomura have not shown to the gaming population. These same types of debates popped up all over the internet when the dual keyblade wielding person showed up in Another Side Another Story. Right now it is all speculation until certain facts are revealed. Facts like where do the keyblades and the princesses of heart come from. Maybe all the princesses can wield a keyblade, maybe it didn't disappear from her hands because Riku willed it not to, maybe you are right. The point is that while we can't deny that what you say is a possibility, you can't deny that there aren't other possibilities either. And some of those possibilities are that it is not her keyblade.Until more information is released from Square, Disney and/or Nomura, all the possibilities that we can think of constitute original research and can not be included on Wikipedia. (Guyinblack25 14:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kairi

message: Technobabble1 19:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, and...? ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 06:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

text: While that may be of some importance the reason she is notable is not because she had her heart sucked out, in the first game that also happened to some random guy in traverse town. The reason she is notable is that she is the force that drives Sora on to completing his mission. If it weren't for her and Riku most of the events in Kingdom hearts would not have taken place. Gamewizard0380 22:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance

message: I personally believed it was very well written. Why was this removed? Should this be reverted? Observation 17:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What happened to the entire "Name" section...?

message: I don't think that Kairi should be categorized as a fictional princess because technically she is not the daughter of a King and Queen or the heiress to a throne. I know technically she is a "Princess of Heart" but people scanning the "Fictional Princesses" category might get confused. :) Ton Chocotuar 00:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it ever says who her real parents are, she says in KH1 that she doesn't remember. We can only assume that they're a king and a queen of some kingdom somewhere, since from the other 6 we can assume being a princess is a prerequesite to being a Princess of Heart. 71.194.136.20 00:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You forget Alice is no sort of royalty. And did you notice that post is from August of 2006? >>;—ウルタプ 00:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, in Through the Looking Glass, Alice was a princess in the absence of Princess Lilly. We do know where Kairi's home Kingdom is though--It's Radiant Garden/Hollow Bastion. When you see the flashback of Kairi's memory of her grandmother, they are in Ansem the Wise's castle in Radiant Garden. One would assume that if she were princess, and grew up in the castle of Ansem the Wise, then she is Ansem's daughter, even though it has not been directly stated yet. Also, in Final Mix, it supposedly clarifies than Ansem (the Wise, I think) sent her to Destiny Island to keep an eye on the chosen Keyblad Master.Bradofarrell 20:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Being a Princess of Heart does not mean that you must be a Princess. Logically, Ariel would have been chosen to be a PoH then (which still boggles my mind to this day), but she wasn't. Alice wasn't a Princess either. Also.. this argument is old. But to throw my two cents in: Kairi is not a fictional princess int he traditional sense. Assuming that she had royal blood in her is OR. Disinclination 21:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They probably didn't choose Ariel because when the Princess of Heart got released she'd be flopping on the ground choking :PBradofarrell 20:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The stupidest part of this argument is that Kairi being an actual princess is speculation. Last time I checked, WP:CRYSTAL clearly states that "Wikipedia is NOT a crystal ball". We don't know anything of Kairi's parentage (apart from her grandmother, who didn't really look like royalty to me), so it makes no sense to categorise her as a fictional princess without proof. As far as "Princess of Heart = actual princess" goes, that's speculation too. If you can find proof that Kairi is a princess - a real one - and that being a princess is a prerequisite for being a Princess of Heart (if I recall correctly, you only have to have a pure heart to be one), great - you can categorise Kairi as such. Until then, I am removing this article from that category. L337 kybldmstr 04:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I don't know about this

message: I Know wikipedia frowns on speculation and shipping. however there are enough romantic undertones between Sora and Kairi to validate a mention of their relationship. trust me if we don't add that then we're robbing people using wikipedia to find out about the character a huge portion of her role. one sentence should be enough.Technobabble1 00:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Romance

message: What is up with the further studies thing going down, I thought that he/she had a good point. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.174.124.158 (talk) 18:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hello

message: Given that Kingdom Hearts II is set a full year after the events of the first game and Chain of Memories, would this not make Kairi and Sora fifteen and Riku sixteen years old? If so, would it not make sense to change the article accordingly? Super Shaz 21:22, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We are using the original Kingdom Hearts ages, so they should be fine the way they are now. // Sasuke-kun27 21:58, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is this so?Super Shaz 13:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

text: So we don't have to change it every time their age changes and so newcomers to the series will understand what their ages are at the beginning of the series if they haven't played KHII yet. Axem Titanium 16:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However, a new game is out, with different ages. Wikipedia is not censored for spoilers, and the distinction is reflected on the page. Disinclination 00:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Age Discrepancy

message: Any info on it, name, etc.? Was it just temporary, or might she actually be able to fight in future installments of the series? I'm not sure what ending I got, but I'm assuming there's more than one like in the first one, and I haven't played the Final Mix of KH2 yet, so I'm not really 100% on all of this. 71.194.136.20 00:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kairi's Keyblade

message: Apostrophe apparently disagrees with Kairi being referred to as the series' heroine because "she doesn't do anything".  For one, yeah, she does.  And also, the definition of heroine from the dictionary is: The principal female character in a novel, poem, or dramatic presentation. Thus, Kairi counts. Please keep description as it is.
:Random dictionaries don't determine what goes in Wikipedia. Terms like "hero", "heroine", "villain, and the like were deemed in violation of WP:NPOV by consensus, leading to the deletion of many categories. I'm going to respect that. ' 04:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kairi is obviously more than just "a character" in KH, but using hero, heroine, etc, are POV. So how can we achieve a balance of this? Any suggestions? Disinclination 05:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is one more than "a character", again? ' 05:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: No. She's a supporting character. Kairi is not the central character for Kingdom Hearts; Sora is. ' 15:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: So we should make an exception because of a website? Why are you this intent on having Wikipedia describe her as something more than a character? ' 19:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Lead female protagonist", if you must use wiki-speak. She's essential to the story of all three games, she is on the central protagonist's 'side', Squeenix directly refer to her as a heroine. Heroine is POV in some regards, but not in this rather more archetypal fantasy with fairly distinct borders between heroic and villainous (at least until Organization XIII's introduction). AKismet 00:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kairi = Heroine

message: I figured that since Naminé is also a part of this article, this section isn't too excessive. Getting to the point, can someone post her real character render? Melinh.maryjane 20:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Naminé

message: I think we should replace the KH2 Kairi image with the one depicting the outfit she is in for the majority of the game, rather than the school uniform that only saw use at the start and then disappeared off the radar. --Warp L. Obscura 16:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would make more sense if she was seen more in one outfit that another brief one. Go right ahead, but make sure you comply with image rules. Disinclination 19:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: One scene only and not a gameplay character. Find something more substantial, please. ' 06:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, this is Wikipedia. Will you kindly use proper grammar and punctuation while you're here? It looks bad if editors don't look like they understand these things. Anyway, the parameter is not there to abuse. I think you're making too big a deal out if it by insisting that it stay. Her Keyblade is not a vitally important aspect of her character. Axem Titanium 02:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry about that. I was in a hurry and I usually type like. I've fixed my errors. Anyways, though it's not a vital aspect, it's still apart of her since she is another chosen one from the keyblade. Khiscool 03:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How was she chosen if it was given to her? The Keyblade didn't appear to her, like with Sora and Riku, it was lent to her by Riku--$UIT 04:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In case you forgot, "Khiscool" (pick one username and stick with it, please), Riku is a party character in the World That Never Was. You are overexaggerating the fact that Riku gave Kairi a Keyblade to use for one scene. It's clearly not a permanent thing, since it never shows up again. If, in the next game, Kairi uses the Keyblade often then we'll use the field. Until then, no. ' 12:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait... were you talking to me?--$UIT 04:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Suit and Apostrophe, when a keyblade is given to someone that isn't chosen, it disappears and goes directly back to the owner. Through this, we can infer that she has her own keyblade and a keyblade is a weapon. If it isn't, then is she going to slice food with it or something else? Apostrophe, I've finally made one and I'm sticking to this one. Khiscool 04:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Talking to Khiscool, Suit. Khiscool, you are placing your own opinions onto the story; we do not know the significance of that scene, no matter how much you try to rationalize it. Until then, the answer is still no. ' 13:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is my "opinion" wrong if I'm backing it up with facts from the game? Though it is only one scene, everything's from infering. So she doesn't own a keyblade even though a keyblade goes back to its owner if its not their's? Remember that a keyblade choose's its owner and when Riku gave it to her, it didn't disappear. A keyblade is for fighting evil so what else can she use it for? Khiscool 21:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: By the way, in the history of this page, it shows a different person that entered the text above. I just forgot to log off my sister's when I wrote the one before this. Khiscool 21:21, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "everything's from infering". Admitted original research, then. Thank you and have a good day. ' 04:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In No original research, it states that "unpublished facts" are unacceptable. I do agree with that too but "a keyblade choose's its owner and when Riku gave it to her, it didn't disappear" is a fact. If you don't remember, Leon was looking at Sora's keyblade in the first game but after a couple seconds later, it went back to Sora. Donald and Goofy also stated that the keyblade was to fight off evil, mainly the Heartless. Explain to me if they are not facts please. Khiscool 06:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "a keyblade choose's its owner" Says who? You're assuming this has any sort of relevance in this case. All you've done is repeatedly insist that your opinion of how that particular scene works is right, which has failed to convince consensus to agree with you. ' 15:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After the keyblade went back to Sora in the first game, Yuffie even said that the keyblade chooses its owner. Also, finding the "chosen one" was Goofy and Donald's mission so they could defeat the heartless and find King Mickey. If not, then they could've chose a random person. Khiscool 23:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and that very Keyblade allowed Riku to hold it without it disappearing. There's a factor to "holding a Keyblade" that we don't know, and you refuse to admit that. Because the first game said a bunch of things about Sora's Keyblade doesn't mean it applies to some Keyblade given by Riku to Kairi which we know absolutely nothing about. ' 01:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't said keyblade originally meant for Riku?--Tempest115 00:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tempest115, it was originally meant for Sora since it was a theory of having the true keyblade holder and a princess of heart living together on Destiny Island. Apostrophe, it's true that Riku gained Sora's keyblade but that was when he (Sora) began doubting himself and giving up all hope. The factor of "holding a keyblade" has been mentioned and explained twice in the first game by both Yuffie and Aerith. It was mentioned as a keyblade and not as any specifics to Sora. You too refuse to admit that the facts I've presented mean something and yet you keep coming back by saying that it was one scene. Just because it was one scene, many important means come out of it. Khiscool 01:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not even talking about Hollow Bastion. There are instances of Keyblades being held by other people. Riku held Sora's Keyblade in Traverse Town. Sora holds Riku's Keyblade while beating up Xemnas. Now I feel like an absolute loser arguing about this. What you want isn't going to be on the page because consensus decided against it. Until you come up with new arguments besides "What applies to Sora's Keyblade must apply to all other Keyblades!", I'm done with this conversation. ' 02:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true of how Riku held it without it going back to Sora but in the end, he got his own anyways. It's the same with the vice versa of Sora's battle with Xemnas. As I said before, Kairi told Riku that she was tired of hiding and wanted to help. A keyblade wielder must have a pure heart (like King Mickey) and because Kairi is a Princess of Heart, she's been elligible since the start. Though Riku had one in Kingdom Hearts 1, he had a pure heart of evil hence the dark keyblade. Khiscool 04:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Please, Suit, explain to me of how I lost. I haven't given up and yet I'm still not convinced that my stand is wrong. Khiscool 03:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While you feel you may not be wrong, the overall consensus of the discussion seems to be that the keyblade should not be mentioned as you suggest. Since Wikipeida is a community and no one person has ownership to a page or the information on that page, your desire to add this bit of information will have to be put on hold. Since the rest of the editors on this page feel that it should be excluded for now, any further edits you make to include it could be considered as vandalism by editors and could lead to your account being temporarily blocked. And nobody here wants that and neither do you.Regarding your argument, no one is disputing the fact that Kairi held a keyblade. What people are disputing is the lack of other facts to support why she could hold it and thereby make it her weapon. There are several bits of information about the Kingdom Hearts universe that the games and Nomura have not shown to the gaming population. These same types of debates popped up all over the internet when the dual keyblade wielding person showed up in Another Side Another Story. Right now it is all speculation until certain facts are revealed. Facts like where do the keyblades and the princesses of heart come from. Maybe all the princesses can wield a keyblade, maybe it didn't disappear from her hands because Riku willed it not to, maybe you are right. The point is that while we can't deny that what you say is a possibility, you can't deny that there aren't other possibilities either. And some of those possibilities are that it is not her keyblade.Until more information is released from Square, Disney and/or Nomura, all the possibilities that we can think of constitute original research and can not be included on Wikipedia. (Guyinblack25 14:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Keyblade

message: Have all disputes been resolved for this page? I'm assuming so because there haven't been any posts to this talk page for two weeks. If no one objects, I'll ask User:Husond to remove the protection. (Guyinblack25 16:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page protection

message: Stop changing the format, the Biography header and spoiler tags are necessary and required (in some cases both). This is the correct formatting and should not be changed. We are outlining the biography of the character, Namine, thus the title of that section of the article being titled Biography, simple logic, no? Also, considering the nature of her creation and other relevance to the main storyline of Kingdom Hearts 2, it is also necessary that we add spoiler warnings. Though people on wiki who haven't played the game shouldn't be catered to, in terms of spoiler information, they do have the right to know when they are about to read information that might spoil the story of the game if they didn't plan on, y'know, spoiling the game, thus the position of the spoiler tags.
This is not to be argued, debated, nor edited. If you have a problem with it discuss it here, and in the off chance you find a "better" solution, or a somewhat compelling "argument" as to why the header and tags are unnecessary, I'd be happy to here it. But as long as I've got this article on my watchlist, it will remain this way until sufficient evidence proves otherwise.
Please, don't ruin a good thing; concentrate on adding to the article not dumbing it down.Watemon 04:50, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Zero1328:Technically, I wasn't leaving messages in the article, considering they don't show up. In fact, that's almost exactly what that feature is used for. No need to get prissy over it just because you're pissed. Anyway, I started this topic a little while back, so had you actually gone here first, instead of editing stuff without discussing it, we wouldn't be having this little "issue".Watemon 06:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The messages were not in the article, the article is what is visible from the main page, what you were reading was the literal code itself. Considering people weren't bothering to read the talk page, I left my messages within the code and invisible from the article instead. The purpose of that code is exactly to leave messages, either explanations for article changes or otherwise. Why else do you think there's a feature that allows people to leave notes in the code that aren't visible in the article? You'll just have to get over that.</br>Anyway, it's standard procedure to read the talk page, so I shouldn't have had to tell you anything; I'm not your baby sitter and am thus not responsible for reminding you to how to take care of your business. And I don't care for personal attacks or anything, instead of trying to change shit without discussing it, you should've come here first and started a topic over it, and considering you did neither, you're not really in the position to be complaining about anyone's behavior. I find it quite troublesome and even more frustrating when people take it upon themselves to "contribute" mass edits to an article before telling anyone or discussing it, especially when there was nothing to change or when there was nothing wrong. Your behavior in this respect to changing this article is much more disruptive and counter productive to the efficiency of this article than my remarks to you (also considering you could simply ignore them). But as I said, seeing as I'm only trying to run this article efficiently, you're not really in the position to complain about anything, considering you broke procedure.</br>Watemon 09:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The "being bold" statement does not refer to changing articles without notifying others. It says it's okay to change articles and not to feel shy about doing it:</br>"New users in particular are often entranced by the openness of Wikipedia and dive right in. That's a good thing. But please note: 'be bold in updating pages' does not mean that you should make large changes or deletions to long articles..."</br>Notice how it doesn't describe being bold as "making edits without discussing it first". Further more:</br>"Wikis develop faster when people fix problems, correct grammar, add facts, make sure the language is precise, and so on. We expect everyone to be bold: it's okay. Boldness is expected. How many times have you read something and thought, 'Why aren't these pages copy-edited?' Wikipedia not only allows you to add, revise, and edit the article — it wants you to do it."</br>None of the actions taken fit under the necessity for these user's to "be bold" as you defined (though incorrectly). Neither users found it "necessary" to discuss their proposed edits with anyone before hand, or even make a talk page article over it before taking action. Had they done so prior, I wouldn't be so... up–front about it (to put it lightly). Either way, whether or not a user is "being bold", they must discuss their edits first. Going in an article and changing stuff that doesn't need to be changed is not beneficial to this article.</br>Watemon 02:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: "Agreeing with the edit" is not a valid reason for a editing the article.</br>Watemon 23:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Seriously

message: fictional doppelgängers?  Or would this be too much of a spoiler?
:haha, sarcasm
:It would seem rather fishy to me.  We'd have to do that to Organization XIII too, and besides, they're not officially described as doppelgängers, but as a special species/race/whatever you'll call it in the game's universe.—ウルタプ 15:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ..okay, I just read the second section of the doppelgänger article.  It's really very eerie how similar Naminé's actions are.—ウルタプ 15:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Should she be listed under...(SPOILERS!)

message: Even if it is from an official site promo profile or something, we need at least one source to verify this article. Hence the tag at the top. Daniel.Bryant 08:10, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Zero references

message: Namin'e was actuly voiced by jesse mcartney. don't worry i verified this with the credits in kingdom hearts 2.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Keyblade Master Natu (talk • contribs) 
:...right.  Um, I haven't seen the actually credit roll myself, but it's either a typo or you weren't lining up the text in your mind correctly...—ウルタプ 01:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so much. I can verify that she did indeed voice Naminé. DarthCat 03:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Isn't Jesse Mcartney the guy who plays Roxas. I think you just read one line up.69.117.57.73 20:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Jesse McCartney is a male actor who voices Roxas, a male character. Brittany Snow is the female actress who plays Namine.</br>Watemon 08:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Casts

message: * OPPPOSE I hardly think Riku of Kingdom Hearts would ever be primary meaning for it. 132.205.44.134 01:47, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Page not moved. Eugene van der Pijll 18:39, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: November 24, 2005; Requested Move: Riku (Kingdom Hearts) &rarr; Riku

message: The beach that Sora and Riku end up on before they return to the islands has to be in the Realm of nothingness, because Riku says that it's what the world is without light or darkness. if it's without darkness then it's not in the Darkness.
He says it's the world in its true form.  Which would mean it's the realm of darkness.  The origional world.
There are also numerous references to it being darkness(..then we'll be the darkness), and it has the same glowing rocks as inside the door to darkness.--The Crowing 15:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Get it right

message: The current revision of Riku's page has Maleficent as a fairy and not a witch. A fairy, really? Is this really cheap vandalism or does anyone want to cite that? Stupidhumanzz 18:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I take it you haven't watched Sleeping Beauty. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 19:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, Maleficent is a fairy, but she is also a witch, AT THE SAME TIME! OMG!!!!! I think calling her a witch would be more descriptive to her character though. Axem Titanium 16:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, it's extraneous information. Don't put in witch or fairy if you don't have to. Why cause a stir if you don't have to? --Trance 07:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A Fairy?

message: Should the Riku replica article be merged into this one? I'm not sure whether he's that major or not. The Organization XIII articles are all merged (if they were ever seperate to begin with) and they play a similiar (if not larger) role. Hogtree 11:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it should. I'll do that now. Axem Titanium 23:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Riku's replic 

message: The picture for the Way to Dawn keyblade has been replaced by a picture of an anime girl playing the harp. ???
:Looks like someone changed it back. The anime girl playing the harp was probably vandalism or a mistake someone made. --Trance 18:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Way to the Dawn is probably also some kinda anime thing. --Das654 08:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ummm... What keyblade?

message: Why was the KH2 picture taken off?  I've put it back and I will keep putting it back unless someone has a sensible reason. --MimiSard 17:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: KHII Picture

message: The original article needed a lot of work because the game was left up to so much interpretation.  To remedy this, I'm editing the whole thing based on interviews and articles by Tetsuya Nomura and from information found in the Japanese Ultimania and stat books for the games.  Anything that seems like editorial opinion is not my opinion, but views given by Nomura or cast members from these books.  However, any insight as to the proper way to site these people would be appreciated.  Should I just link to their pages? Maybe create a page dedicated to all of the Ultimania books? Or just site the sources in the article (that always seems to make it look cluttered.)
--LiSyaoranw 22:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Major changes

message: seems pointless the article is big enough to warrant being seperate from the main list
:Barely.  It could easily be condensed more, than it'd be pointless having a separate article.—urutapu 16:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Riku Replica

message: Does anyone know why Billy Zane was replaced with Richard Epcar as the voice of Xehanort? Was it scheduling, legal issues, what? -Three-Tail
:We don't really know. Square and Disney never told us. Supposedly Billy Zane was in a very controversial movie, and I heard Square didn't want to risk people hating them for having such a controversial actor among them. I don't know if it's true or not though.--Cyfin 13:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh! I heard about that. It was a Turkish film. I'm pretty sure it was anti-Semitic or something to that effect. urutapu 14:30, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Billy Zane's replacement

message: At it was one of the hints laid bt the Kingdom Hearts III promo, it seems to assume Xehanort's part in the series has not ended yet. But how he returns is up in the air. Apparently, Xehnanort is somehow related to the armored figures in the promo due to Xenmas "knight-form" during the KH2 final battle.
:Okay, and..? ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 04:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that there isn't enough concrete information to talk much about it, but it might be nice to note somewhere that "Memory of Xehanort" is one of the secret movie tag-lines, and work in the fact that The Organization XIII was conducting research on memories for a still-unknown reason, and Vexen, who was deeply absorbed in his work with memories there, began his fixation on memories when, as Even, he and the rest of the disciples experimented on xehanort. WtW-Suzaku 04:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we should.  The whole "Memory of Xehanort" thing could only lead to speculation, which is not what Wikipedia is for.  We'll mention his memory when something's CONFIRMED about it.  As for Even experimenting on his memories, I suppose we could mention that...~~Cyfin 23:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Memory of Xehanort"

message: Technically, Hollow Bastion is the castle...I haven't read the English Other Ansem Reports.  Does Xehanort show up in the world of Radiant Garden or specifically at the castle Hollow Bastion?
:I don't think it matters.  We'll just say Radiant Garden.  Maybe we should mention somewhere that Hollow Bastion's its castle.~~Cyfin 23:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hollow Bastion vs. Radiant Garden

message: Actually a better question is this: Did Xemnas manipulate his Heartless and Maleficent?
I don't think so. Xehanort was controlling Maleficent in the first game to complete his plans while Xemnas worked on collecting human hearts. It might be possible that Xemnas was somehow controlling Maleficent in the second game. I suppose it could be possible but as far as we know they were operating on their own and making seperate plans. One thing is for sure: Each of them are Xehanort. Xehanort is the true villain in all the games as his heartless and nobody make up his complete entity.
I see. Be that as it may however, I still consider Xenmas the better half. Also (this may sound like a stupid question, but) did Xehanort influence Maleficent before becoming a Heartless and Nobody or after ?
:No. Maleficent's plan simply benefitted Xehanort's Heartless. The two had no interaction whatsoever before Xehanort's Heartless possessed Riku. Anything further is speculation. Interrobamf 00:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Xemnas or his Heartless? Who was behind everything?

message: When was Xemnas in KH1 at Hallow Bastion? -EG
:Final Mix version. Also a flashback in Kingdom Hearts II. Interrobamf 00:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Xemnas in KH1

message: Is it possible to find a better picture of Xehanort. The one that the article has is kinda of blurry.
I have 2 pictures but there kind of different. One is a artwork picture only showing his head and wears a blue jacket it looks like. And one is a picture of his full body with his scientist suit and is eating ice cream, but it shows an internet logo on it. So I don't know if these two might work.
:Are you sure these aren't fanart? ' 21:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: Is there any wiki-qouit for him like his famous "all world are born in darkness and all worlds end the heart is no diffrent" I hope I qouited him right ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love and grace♥ 12:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...you mean "quote"?—ウルタプ 13:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Look in Wikiquote. Or GameFAQs. ' 17:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: qouit

message: Do you think we should revise this article to have a biography of Xehanort in Chronological order instead of by forms and games? 151.196.128.234 21:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chronological order

message: In this article, it said that Xemnas is seen in the Chamber of Rest. I've heard it called "Chamber of Sleep" which makes more sense because of the secret movie being called "Birth by Sleep." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.196.128.234 (talk) 21:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chamber of Rest of Chamber of Sleep?

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Ansem.png

message: There are still a few gaps that can only be filled by someone other than me. Namely, some Japanese voices that I don't have access to. Kudos to anyone with or without a Japanese version of the game who can fill those in. Axem Titanium 17:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's full. What names are you talking about? Jienum 19:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of the N/A's are actually unknowns (ie Sora's mother, tournament promoter, Abu, Ariel's sisters, Bosun, Jacoby, Ed). Axem Titanium 19:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Further stuff

message: --Zeldamaster3 10:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The actors who first originally voiced the characters in the Disney movies (or other media). I don't know any clearer way of saying it. You're welcome to try though. Axem Titanium 14:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What is meant by Original Voice Actors?

message: Should we note something about the voices of Organization XIII members Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, Larxene and Marluxia? I heard that they're going to make a PS2 remake of Chain of Memories, so should we put something by those specific members (such as "Voice Actor Unknown), or should we leave it for the time being? Jienum 19:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Leave it for now. Wait until we actually have information, rather than just saying "we don't know" as a place holder. Axem Titanium 21:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chain of Memories Villains

message: Kathryn Beaumont? That seemed a little odd, considering she's 68(?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon God (talk • contribs) 
:Yes. She is credited for it in many reliable sources. Axem Titanium 20:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, sorry for bothering you, and thanks for making this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon God (talk • contribs)  2:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. If you're wondering how to sign comments, you add four tildes (~~~~) to the end of your comment. Axem Titanium 00:30, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Was Alice, and Wendy both played by...

message: Would you mind telling me what this page is about?- Noodler450
:I think the title makes it quite obvious. Axem Titanium 03:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tell