Talk:Igor of Kiev

message: It is hard for me to contibute anything useful to this discussion between editors who know much more on the topic than I do. However, what's wrong with Slavic name of Constantinople (Tsargrad) mentioned in this particular article. No one is talking about inserting it to every article. However, if there is a context to mention it in WP, there is nothing closer to it than this article. I don't understand why it was completely removed. Having it mentioned as a second name (with Constantinople as the first one) would still be OK, I think. Completely removing it from the middle of the article seems to me unwarranted. Any objections to restore it? -Irpen 03:33, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)
:Well, using the Slavic name would imply that the attackers used that name for Constantinople, which would be misleading. We know which language these Rus spoke because, after these attacks, in 950, the Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus wrote that the Rus spoke Old Norse in De Administrando Imperio. You can read a translation here. For instance, he gave the names of the Dniepr cataracts in both Rus and in Slavic. The Rus names:
*Essoupi (Old Norse vesuppi, "do not sleep")
*Oulvorsi (Old Norse holmfors, "island rapid")
*Gelandri (Old Norse gjallandi, "yelling, loudly ringing")
*Aeifor (Old Norse eiforr, "ever fierce")
*Varouforos (Old Norse varufors, "cliff rapid" or  barufors, "wave rapid")
*Leanti (Old Norse leandi, "seething", or hlaejandi, "laughing")
*Stroukoun (Old Norse strukum, "rapid current").
:Since we consequently know what language the Rus spoke in 950 and these attacks were before that date, the Slavic name for Constantinople would be misleading. It would be more appropriate  to state that it was called Miklagard by the Rus. However, I do think that Tzargrad is relevant as a line in the article on Constantinople.Wiglaf 28 June 2005 05:41 (UTC)
*anyway, it would be an anachronism. According to Tsargrad, not even the Slavs called Constantinople that before some 400 years later. dab (ᛏ) 28 June 2005 06:07 (UTC)
** Nonsense. One should learn to read Old Russian and open the RPC before making such sweeping statements or editing articles on Old Russian history. --Ghirlandajo 28 June 2005 09:49 (UTC)
***wtf? I said "according to Tsargrad", i.e. that's what our Tsargrad article says at the moment. I didn't claim to know first hand. Go to Talk:Tsargrad and dispute the statement there instead of shooting the messenger. Oh, and take a look at Wikipedia:Wikilove and Wikipedia:Assume good faith in passing. It will help you around here if you know these pages. dab (ᛏ) 28 June 2005 09:54 (UTC)
Ok, I'm retracting the "not only the Slavs called it", since the did call it that, as well as other cities. here you are: 
:Until<l> 14th century it was used mostly as a title of Constantinople (the capital of the Byzantine emperors) and Turnovgrad (the capital of the Bulgarian tsars). Since the fall of the Balkans under Ottoman rule the word has been used exclusively as another name of Constantinople (now Istanbul), because in the vernacular of the Balkan Slavs the Ottoman sultans were called tsars.
i.e. according to our article, the term was not a name reserved for Constantinople until Ottoman times, but applied to Turnovgrad as well. If you know better, go there and improve the article (citing sources of course). dab (ᛏ) 28 June 2005 09:57 (UTC)
** The Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus wrote that the Rus spoke normans (the ancient Greeks also called the baltoslavs Normans). Translation from the obotritean (old Lithuanian):
*Essoupi (Lithuanian essupti, "do not doze")
*Oulvorsi (Lithuanian  uolavarzi, "the top of the cliff (island)")
*Gelandri ( Lithuanian ghel andri, "yelling cataract")
*Aeifor (Lithuanian Aitvaras, "airflow")
*Varouforos (Lithuanian varus (vorus), "berth (wave)")
*Leanti (Lithuanian Liejanti", "effuse")
*Stroukoun (Lithuanian striukunti, "small cataract").  Noraskulk (talk) 12:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Slavic name of [[Constantinople]]

message: :Posted at my talk page: Irpen, you usually seem to be a reasonable person, but now you have to explain in what way the use of the name Varangian on Oleg of Kiev implies Swedish conquests of Finland.--Wiglaf 07:40, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, silly mistake. I see your point.--Wiglaf 09:46, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

text: However,  I still think that Varangian should be added to the text, since the people referred to were in all likelyhood Scandinavians, and rus is polysemous. If it weren't polysemous we would not have any debate at Rus' (people).--Wiglaf 10:03, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The first rulers of Rus (including Rurik) were most likely from the Lithuanian tribe of Balto-Slavic. The names of the first rulers of Russia (Oleg, Igor, Rurik, Olga) are Lithuanian (Balto-Slavic) origin.--Noraskulk (talk) 13:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: "the Varangians or the Rus" wording

message: After I split irrelevant details to Caspian expeditions of the Rus, User:Beit Or unleashed a disgusting revert warring campaign. I urge appropriate measures to be applied to stop him from creating POV forks of articles. --Ghirla -трёп- 11:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The request is particularly amusing from the author of the fork. In plain language, Ghirlandajo's "split" was a revert. This article is little more than a stub, so it's pretty difficult to mask your revert in this fashion. Beit Or 11:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no evidence that either of Caspian expeditions of the Rus has any relation to Igor. It was me who chose to mention it in the article but I see I was wrong. All the details of the expedition do not belong here. Please don't engage in tendentious editing by trying to assign undue weight to certain details whose relation to Igor is not established. --Ghirla -трёп- 12:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At least the second campaign undeniably took place in Igor's reign, so it's relevant whether Igor personally participated in it or not. BTW, what's the source for the statement: "It is not clear whether Igor had anything to do with this campaign, or it may have been an independent group of Varangians."? Beit Or 12:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Caspian expeditions of the Rus]]

message: Djagfar Tarihi bulgarian chronicles mention Igor I. the son of Rurik (Rurik's turkic name is: 'Lachyn'). According to the chronicles, Igor was the son of Lachyn (Rurik). Lachyn was from the turkic people, more exactly from kara-bulgar modjars (magyars?=hungarians?).
"882-885 Maihem in Bashtu (Kyiv) principality, Almysh (Almish ibn Sejkel, possibly aka prince Almos hungarian leader) assigned his nephew, and Lachyn's (Rurik) son Ugyr Lachini (Igor, aka Igor I the Old, 912/916?-945), allodial control over his father Lachyn principality, under supremacy of Baltavar Almysh who was heading army of Baryns (descendants of Tat-Ugek), and was recognized by his Bulgars and Anchi/Antes (ukrinian slavs) subjects, with autonomous loyal Viking force led by son of Eric, Salahbi Yolyg (Olaf, Slav. Oleg, aka Veschiy Oleg, i.e Oleg the Seer, 882-912/916?, Ugyr Lachini/Igor uncle, Kyiv Ilchibek [regent] for Ugyr Lachini), and Slavs under jurisdiction of  Salahbi Yolyg, and all that mess under a nominal but powerless Khazar patronage."
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/70_Dateline/BaryndatelineEn.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xxlrutin (talk • contribs) 14:13, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Igor's name mentioned in bulgarian chronicle

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message: I'm very curious about the estimations for Igor's year of birth. Some websites say that he was born in 888, some websites say he was born in 878 and some websites say he was born in 877! 
I don't know what to put into the inbox. If anyone has any info, please let me know.
Thanks~ BiRDiE16 (talk) 14:04, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: These are just wild speculations, forced by the need of some people to have a birthdate for everyone.  When there is neither a scholarly consensus nor any evidence, this field of the infobox should be left blank. Agricolae (talk) 23:12, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Igor's year of birth estimations