Talk:Dedovshchina

message: Hi, here is a my proposal for expansion, this is for some Russian who is much older than me. 
When exactly this phenomenon started to surface, I mean became known enough to turn off prospective soldiers from army(by the time I started to watch anything besides cartoons it was all around).
Then the article can mention the resulting problems with drafting process and current press coverage. It all leads to the recent trends in drafting legislation.Gnomz007 8 July 2005 04:55 (UTC)
This thing will not grow in many years, the Internet is full of scandalous stories of how one conscript was hazed, which can not be used as a solid source, no serious documenting. No nothing.–Gnomz007(?)
Whoops wrong Internet 
–Gnomz007(?) 20:10, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a similar phenomenon in Poland as well, though not as widely found (fortunately), called fala (the wave). I wonder whether this article should be expanded and internationalized, or rather the Polish fala merits its own article. Anyone? //Halibutt 08:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: Can we add something in on pronunciation, as per this? 86.136.92.2 11:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: In the Turkish Military and in the amred forces of francophone countries, especially in French-speaking Sub-Saharan African countries and Haiti there are similar rituals.--Gregor Straßler (talk) 14:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don’t know about others. But no such thing in Turkish Military 176.89.247.102 (talk) 21:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  In other countries? 

message: formerly to the Soviet Armed Forces and today to the Russian armed forces, Internal Troops, and (to a much lesser extent) FSB Border Guards - are there any particular statistics confirming that judgement ? --129.187.244.28 (talk) 06:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim regarding occurrence / virulence 

message: Are there any links the article could provide to sources explaining the reason for this on-going practice? You would expect it to be based upon some sort of research indicating bullying in this context toughens recruits up or creates better soldiers. When someone targets those with less power, that is cowardice - which is hardly a value you would expect the Russian armed forces to value. Bullying behaviour is also indicative of emotional and moral weakness - again hardly something the Russian military should indulge. There must be some recognition of this among the leadership. 2407:7000:844D:4F00:B1B2:6C9C:8D97:7679 (talk) 21:56, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You seemingly don't realise that, officially, the phenomenon is either exaggerated or doesn't exist altogether. Considering the amount of information on this topic found on 'civil' social media, it's pretty obvious that the government in general, and the military officials especially, are simply covering it up. Which most likely means that there really isn't any 'philosophy' behind it all - the military in the East is simply that fucked up. 188.115.136.221 (talk) 21:10, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motivation/philosophy 

message: It would be interesting, if not at least some of the roots of the perverse "Dedovshchina" culture can be found in the methods of Anton Makarenko's pedagogic: the single "educated" by a collective. --129.187.244.19 (talk) 10:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anton Makarenko 

message: *http://www.compancommand.com/index/doklady_o_prestuplenijakh/0-349
*https://www.fairplanet.org/editors-pick/hazing-is-still-common-and-deadly-in-the-russian-army/ Hazing is still common and deadly.Xx236 (talk) 05:39, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: 188.163.104.38 (talk) 16:53, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translated a lot of sections from ukrainian {{Translated|uk|Дідівщина (армія)}}