Talk:Violin/Archive 2

message: I've put a few words into the blank martelé and collé headings. Far from expert or classically trained, I can't claim that they are definitive. Your input, please... Just plain Bill 05:33, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bow strokes 

message: it would be interesting if someone who has the knowledge or knows where to find out could add to the violin stuff to talk about peruvian violin? i know that it is fairly common in traditional peruvian music and that when the spaniards went to puru they brought many stringed instruments including violin. everyone knows of it as classical and for fiddle but there is so much other great music that is played on violin   
:Well, yeah, the violin is found in many forms throughout the world. I have a Mexican Indian violin, made by the Tarahumara indians, basically what they call a "tourist" instrument: very crude, but also very recognizable as the standard violin shape. Most violins throughout the world that aren't indigenous look like, well, violins. Other than that, not really sure what you'd put in an encyclopedia article about it. --ILike2BeAnonymous 05:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  peruvian violin? 

message: "Luthier" strikes me as a word seldom spoken in English, but much used in writing, because it has been seen in other writings. At least one well-regarded individual, who attends to Stradivari and Amati instruments regularly, calls himself a "violin maker." What to do? Just plain Bill 18:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A violinmaker will refer to himself (or herself) as a "luthier" when speaking to a group of snobs who he/she hopes to impress. A cynical way of saying that it's the same thing, basically. (Of course, luthiers are not restricted to making violins; the word derives from one who makes lutes, so it's also applied to guitarmakers, mandolin makers, etc.) I'd probably just go ahead and use the common term, "violinmaker" (or violin maker if you prefer), which is actually more precisely descriptive. --ILike2BeAnonymous 01:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm of two minds about it. Along with what you just said, "luthier" does seem a bit precious. And yet, not just any wood-butcher who has read a book or watched a video should be turned loose on a violin of any decency. There is something to be said for working under the supervision of someone who knows how, and has been doing it for a long time. The simple phrase, "I was taught to do it this way..." deserves a bit of respect, in my opinion, and using the French word may be one way of trying to convey that. I'm not proposing any change at the moment, just musing. Just plain Bill 03:53, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, not any meat butcher who has read a book or watched a video gets to be a neurosurgeon, either, so I don't see what the problem is. (Of course, neurosurgeons are certified and all that, but violinmakers are subjected to the scrutiny of their peers and customers, so there is something of a regulatory process at work.) Presumably, when one calls themself a violinmaker, they can be trusted to be properly trained in their craft. (Unless, of course, the violinmaker in question is H.S. Wake; you know what I'm talking about, right?) --ILike2BeAnonymous 04:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Never met Mr. Wake, only read one of his books (rehair & bow repair) and heard an opinion or two... enough said. But no, just calling oneself a maker or repairer is not enough to gain my trust, based on one naif and one BS-er I'm aware of in my little world. There are probably a lot more of each sort to be found. In any country but Germany, board-certification is unavailable, and clients or customers need to do their own research. Back to the question, in my own writing, I'll go with "violin maker" and reserve "luthier" for occasional use to connote matters of lineage and training in the traditional ways. That is, hardly ever. Well, I guess that's off my chest. Thanks, Just plain Bill 05:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we're talking about a violinmaker, I see no problem using the term violinmaker; I alsu use "luthier" frequently and interchangeably with "violin maker"; I don't see harm in using either one. Especially since, in Wikipedia, we have an article on Luthiers and it can be linked whenever it's used, so people know what we're talking about. J Lorraine 08:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  vocabulary: "Luthier" 

message: I don't think the violin deserves to be called a "key" instrument in jazz.... When you think of typical jazz music, do you think "I need a violinist?" ....I certainly don't. If any orchestral string instrument deserves to be called 'key' in this idiom, it's the bass. I'm going to try rephrasing this.   
   
:I agree; the violin is actually a pretty rare bird in jazz. I can't even think of a jazz violinist currently playing (there must be some, but they're surely not well known). --ILike2BeAnonymous 09:41, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the violin is certainly not a major instrument in jazz. LDHan 10:41, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ever heard of Joe Venuti or Stephane Grappelli?--Light current 22:51, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Regina Carter is still around. Didn't she record something using Paganini's Cannone Guarnerius not too long ago? Just plain Bill 13:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Let's see: Grappelli's dead, making Carter just about the only living example of the genre (apart from Michael Urbaniak (sp?), Jean-Luc whatshisname, and a handful of others). So I rest my case: violin is just not the most happening instrument in jazz. --ILike2BeAnonymous 04:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At this particular moment in time!--Light current 04:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, yes, "at this particular moment in time". What, do you have a time machine? ILike2BeAnonymous 04:43, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No but I got plenty of records with Stephane Grappelli on em!--Light current 04:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, good for you; so do I. (And I do mean "records"—you know, those big black round things.) Say, here's something you probably don't have and might not have heard: I've got a recording which may be one of the earliest examples of jazz violin ever, played by someone I used to know: a guy named Bud Gould, who I knew (and played with) in Arizona. He recorded "Honeysuckle Rose" and "Salt Peanuts" with none other than Charlie Parker on some of his first recorded sessions, along with some really crazy scat. Bud also played trombone; when I knew him, he was a violist (and retired music prof); we played in an orchestra at one point. Good stuff. ILike2BeAnonymous 05:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Youre giving your age away here!--Light current 21:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Musical Styles (Jazz)

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