Talk:Larry Beckett

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message: Hi User:Yitzilitt and User:Ghmyrtle: I'm assuming you have Larry Beckett's page on your watchlist, so I won't tag you each time I post a new section. Let me know if your preference is other than this suggestion.
To the intro section, I would like to add musician so it reads ...American poet, songwriter, musician, and literary critic. I'll also include the text request table here if that makes it easier, which includes a source to support this addition. 
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Ralph Laurence Beckett Jr. (born April 4, 1947) is an American poet, songwriter, and literary critic.	Ralph Laurence Beckett Jr. (born April 4, 1947) is an American poet, songwriter, musician, and literary critic.
In the next sentence, can we add 'and early-1970s' so it reads, '...Beckett collaborated with Tim Buckley in the late-1960s and early-1970s on...' The first sentence in the 'Later years' section supports this by talking about Starsailor.
Lastly, can we move the Poetry section up to go between Early life and Songwriting career? We have a few paragraphs about his poetry works through the years we'll be proposing later. Thanks much for your time and consideration. Best, LeepKendall (talk) 00:30, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Two quick points.  Firstly, we don't usually need to have citations in the introductory section, because the lead (or "lede" if you prefer) should really be simply a summary of material which is set out and referenced in the rest of the article.  Secondly, the structure of the article is something of a mess, which can't really be resolved by simply shuffling sections around.  The most logical order, in most biographies, is chronological.  I would suggest that should be the basic format of this article, though obviously lists of published works should be in a separate section.  Historically (that is, when I first started the article in 2006), there was an over-emphasis on Mr Beckett's writings with Tim Buckley because, frankly, that is how he was best-known to a global audience of readers (and, I'm sure, the easiest to source).  That can now be redressed to some extent.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:12, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your notes User:Ghmyrtle. I agree with you about the article structure. I'll go ahead and propose some additions to both his poetry and music sections and then maybe we can work on the best structure for the page once we see how those pan out. I'm hoping my first two requests above can still be accomplished - adding 'musician' to his list, and including ... and late-1970s in the intro about his work with Tim. Perhaps you are leaving those things to another editor including the help of User:Yitzilitt. Thanks again. LeepKendall (talk) 22:28, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made those minor changes.  The problem I have is that, in essence, the entire article needs to be rewritten from scratch.   Edits in the past have destroyed the article structure, and added in too many relatively unimportant details.   A balance needs to be restored, and it needs to be based on what has been written about Mr Beckett in WP:RS elsewhere - while taking due account of his wishes per WP:BLP.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you User:Ghmyrtle. I agree wholeheartedly about the page being a mess. The Long Lost Band section seems unnecessarily long and detailed. Our objective in working with Larry was to add content to the poetry section to make it a more balanced representation of what he's done. I also have some new content to add to the songwriting section. So far this article has been pieced together over the years by well-meaning volunteer editors. My approach so far has been to get the new content in and then think about structure. Once appropriate new content is added, I'd greatly appreciate your assistance or recommendations in restructuring it if you have the time and inclination. Thanks and best! LeepKendall (talk) 19:12, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
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message: Hello: Larry's wife, the owner and photographer of Larry's new photo uploaded it to Wiki. I am going to add it to the page as I don't think it would have any disputes or conflicts. If I am incorrect, please let me know. Best LeepKendall (talk) 18:24, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made a minor tweak to the format as it doesn't need a separate box within the infobox.  I guess the date is 2012 - the date should probably be shown.  Thanks.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:48, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, 2012. Thanks for your help. By the way, I put a request on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Poetry talk page to see if I can get some other editors to join in and assist. Best, LeepKendall (talk) 19:44, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
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message: Hello:
I am working in a COI/paid relationship with the subject of this page, Larry Beckett. Larry would like to add new information to his poetry and songwriting sections. For nearly a month now I have reached out to half a dozen volunteer editors for assistance and posted on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poetry page to no avail. I understand the page needs a good deal of work in the formatting area. I'm hoping someone will come along to assist with that. I am going to add some new information to his poetry and songwriting sections and welcome feedback regarding these updates. My goal is to always to improve Wikipedia with integrity and transparency. Best LeepKendall (talk) 22:56, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
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message: User:Ghmyrtle thank you so much for your help on trimming and reorganizing this article. Best LeepKendall (talk) 17:06, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
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message: Hi User:Ghmyrtle: Thanks for all your help on this page. I wanted to ask a question even though I think I can guess the answer. I realize that Larry is 'famous' because of his work with Tim Buckley. However, chronologically speaking, 'technically' his poetry section starts with 1966, and the music says late 1960s. Any chance we can put poetry first and music second? I totally understand why songwriting would probably come first, but wanted to ask as Larry has asked me.  Thanks! LeepKendall (talk) 18:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The article doesn't have to be structured in the way it is now - it could simply be done chronologically, as most biographies are, and the headings on "Songwriting" and "Poetry" removed.  Alternatively, would it be possible to include his early (pre-Buckley) poetry work in the "Early life" section?   The existing sub-headings were added in these edits in 2008, by another editor - they are not sacrosanct, so far as I'm concerned.  Articles do change a lot over time!  Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:10, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, this is great User:Ghmyrtle. Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions. Best, Kendall  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeepKendall (talk • contribs) 19:18, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  COI Request Regarding Article Structure