Talk:Roza Shanina

message: Hello, I have found a higher res version of the main image available here if somebody can upload and replace it.  I haven't done anything with images on Wikipedia yet so I don't want to accidentally break a good article (or remove any important data on the previous image.)  Thanks. Dataxpress (talk) 05:03, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thanks. Brandmeister t   18:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Higher-res version of main image 

message: Can it be true that the Red Army "begun deploying female snipers because they had flexible limbs"?  Even if women's arms are flexible, what has that got to do with being a sniper?Royalcourtier (talk) 19:01, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flexible limbs 

message: I find the claim that "Shanina was not drafted that month as the local military commissariat wanted to pinion her out of war's way" hard to accept. Firstly if there was a universal draft the commissariat could not chose to shelter people. Secondly why keep this girl out of harms way? Thirdly the expression should be "keep" her out of harms way, not "pinion".Royalcourtier (talk) 19:04, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what the provided source says. Original Russian quote form that page: "Ей было только 16 лет, но она, не раздумывая, потребовала от военкома немедленной отправки на фронт. Приходила к нему раз, другой, третий, получала отказ за отказом... Сначала от ее просьб отмахивались - не до тебя, мол, девочка, иди лучши учись..." ("She was only 16 years old, but instantly demanded from the military commissariat an immediate sending to the front. She came to it once, twice, thrice, but received repeated refusals... Initially her requests were denied - they said she was redundant, that she would better go to study"). Brandmeistertalk   10:42, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The original source was in Russian. "Pinnion" is not the correct translation - it is not correct English term. I would suggest that the correct translation would be "keep her out of harms way".Royalcourtier (talk) 09:35, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind. Brandmeistertalk   11:09, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "pinion her out of war's way" 

message: Ehr.. Her patronimic is "Egorovna", not "Georgevna"... -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 16:41, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There's already a note, see Roza_Shanina#cite_note-2. Brandmeistertalk   07:54, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok. -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 09:59, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patronimic 

message: Nina Petrova was a sniper awarded the Order of Glory several months before Shanina. Nina Petrova received the award 2 March 1944, while Shanina recived the award 17 April 1944.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 01:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've checked the Podvignaroda.ru database and it seems our reference is wrong on that, so corrected. Also, changed her decoration date to 18 April per scanned commendation. Brandmeistertalk   11:32, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not the first female sniper awarded the Order of Glory. 

message: Why are there parts censored in recommendation of Shanina's Orders of Glory's letters?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.210.117.175 (talk) 21:09, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Privacy issues, I think. The letters mention her home address and place of birth, so censored to avoid disclosure. Brandmeistertalk   12:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Letters of recommendation of Shanina's Orders of Glory 

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message: , as for " There is no external source that verifies their claim" - have a look at Brayley, Martin; Ramiro Bujeiro (2001). World War II Allied Women's Services. Osprey Publishing, page 37 and Pegler, Martin (2006). Out of Nowhere: A History of the Military Sniper. Osprey Publishing, page 160 (both cited in the article). They are independent of Soviet sources. Also, a sniper log book is written and maintained by an individual sniper, not Soviet government itself. Brandmeistertalk   14:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have said before, these sources has been checked. Both of the books are written long after world war 2 and they have collected information from those sources that cites the number claimed by soviet governments as the origin of the information. Moreover, You can't separate a sniper from a government as they are part of the government. Not to mention the canadian newspaper which, itself, cited soviet government as the source which has been cited as the source in this page. Have a look at the link. Gorgon Slayer (talk) 14:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: First, whether a book is written long after WW2 or not, is irrelevant here. Many reliable WP:SECONDARY sources are written by experts long after the war. Secondly, the Soviet claim is 59 whereas those independent cited sources say 54, so it doesn't appear they relied on Soviet number. Lastly, I see your failure to distinguish between a sniper and a Soviet government troubling. Brandmeistertalk   14:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total kills