Talk:Mammoth steppe

message: I have some concerns with the section titled "Steppe-Tundra". This section was merged into the separate Mammoth steppe article after Steppe-Tundra was nominated for deletion - see above on this Talk page. The term was coined by Guthrie; nobody else appears to use it however it is cited by other primary sources referring back to Guthrie. The section is heavily dependent for information on one webpage from the Oakridge National Laboratory with no authorship and has been "PRESENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION (29th June 1997)", relies much on "E. Zelikson, pers. comm" (personal communication does not meet the requirements of WP:VERIFY), and it is not a peer-reviewed journal. Modern writers use the term steppe grassland, as it was too dry for tundra. Does anybody else share my concerns? Regards, William Harris •  talk •   11:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Now removed, it has been rebutted by Zimov 2012 as primary and Keith 2015 as secondary references; this was a high-productivity biome. William Harris •  talk •   01:07, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is now science-based, fully cited and with all uncited or contentious material removed. It should focus on the broader biome, however it could also contain snapshots of specific locations at specific times. That a research study has found evidence of a sagebush 15,000 YBP and concludes that the entire mammoth steppe was covered in sagebush for 50,000 years is of no value to us. If it can show that in a specific location at a specific time - or timespan - that sagebush was widespread in that location then that is of value. Too often, we have seen research that makes sweeping generalizations based on the smallest and most-limited piece of evidence. Regards, William Harris •  talk •   07:14, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steppe-Tundra - did it ever exist? 

message: The Atlantic's between Spain and Canada, and it wasn't ever steppe. The lede neads to use clearer language. Alfie Gandon (talk) 22:30, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you seriously proposing that when a visitor reads about a steppe that one spanned from Spain to Canada and from the arctic islands to China, the first thing that comes into their mind is the North Atlantic? That would make it from Canada to China with no need to mention Spain at all, would it not? We have several cited research papers using the same terminology, all inherited from Guthrie 2001 - perhaps we should just go with what that expert said.  William Harris |talk  08:02, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not proposing that at all. I'm pointing out that the first thing that comes into people's heads when they see "from Spain to Canada" is the Atlantic, because it's not clear you mean east from Spain rather than west. The research papers may use that terminology, but they've been confusingly paraphrased here. Alfie Gandon (talk) 15:11, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I have made an amendment that should solve this issue but still leave the definition precise.  William Harris |talk  19:45, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean eastward rather than westward. I still don't like it, it could be simplified easily by saying 'across Eurasia' or similar. Alfie Gandon (talk) 20:56, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct (too early in the morning for me). How does it look to you now?  William Harris |talk  04:26, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Grand. Alfie Gandon (talk) 19:59, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

text: Thanks Alfie, I believe that your suggested amendment has added value to the critical first paragraph. Regards,  William Harris |talk  02:40, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome, William. Alfie Gandon (talk) 20:39, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spain to Canada 

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message: Something that has always been unclear to me: How can the climate in which mammoth steppes occurred be described according to systems like the Köppen climate classification or the Holdridge life zones? Since Köppen only encompasses presently existing climates, not only possible climates, this system could pose a problem. (If the climate is presently limited to very few small regions like the Ukok Plateau, it is technically extant, but perhaps too rare to be described in Köppen.) Or is it encompassed by BSk, at least technically? My understanding is that this climate is boreal and semi-arid or even arid. In the Holdridge system, there is only a boreal semi-arid climate, yielding a boreal desert. Could boreal dry scrub (in a sub-humid climate) also be included?
 As the main editor of this page, you may have an answer to this question. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:31, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Greetings Florian, its good to hear from you. My main suite of edits were done here back in March 2017, and I visit irregularly. These matters are beyond my understanding, sorry. Regards, William Harris (talk) 06:43, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate classification