Talk:Orthography

message: A bit on the history of orthography wouldn't hurt if anybody has the required knowledge. -- 82.82.146.239 22:37, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: The rule "i before e except after c" is wrong. "Feign" clearly is an exception. How can it be an orthagraphic rule if orthography means "how to write correctly"? Surely this is not an orthographic rule. Rintrah 13:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As a rule of thumb, "i before e except after c" is quite good. An exception is weird. English has many irregular spellings; only a tiny percentage of "i,e" words do not conform. I haven't worked out the precise coefficient of determination, but its goodness of fit must be pretty high. Any one who fancies proposing a pithy generalisation with fewer inadequacies is welcome to have a go.   I could cite "Why Kids Can't Read" as a source (though it speaks American), if only I could recall the author.Memethuzla (talk) 13:06, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The word protein, while apparently an exception to the "when sounding as ee" rule, is only spoken "proteen" because it originally was pro-tee-in and then got contracted.--2001:A61:260D:6E01:A865:1FCA:DA8A:D95E (talk) 19:04, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to Wells's Longman Pronunciation Dictionary it is correct to pronounce protein with either two or three syllables in RP. And according to my copy of Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary this is also the case in American English. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 19:58, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Observation 

message: When I click this link http://www.rechtschreibprüfung24.de/ I get a "Can not find server" error.
198.85.228.129 13:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The link for multiple language spell checker is broken 

message: The statement "These are all considerations in the design of a writing system" is, for lack of a better word, misleading. It implies that writing systems were actually designed, rather than simply evolving over time through cultural/social means. I'm going to remove the sentence for now. If someone can rewrite it so that it's meaningful, give it a shot. Fuzzform (talk) 01:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You have a point when it comes to orthographies of major languages, which are often in place for centuries, and they just keep growing, often wildly. There are, however, numerous smaller languages in the world which undergo language development. Usually, the first order of business in language development is orthography-design. Ideally, linguists will work together with the language community to come up with an orthography which serves the people best. This is a design process, and the abovementioned considerations are important for this. Landroving Linguist (talk) 16:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some writing systems were most definitely designed, often developed from earlier established scripts like Pali. An example that sprung to mind was Thai, which was established under the then King Amkhamhaeng the Great. Another example is the faintly ridiculous Katakana; allegedly, the Japanese realised that Western languages could not be adequately transcribed in Hiragana, so tasked some scholars with filling the gap. What they did was simply to copy Hiragana using different symbols, producing a system with exactly the same inadequacies. Very amusing, but a little stupid.  See List_of_inventors_of_writing_systems.Memethuzla (talk) 14:41, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not true, katakana was not designed with Western languages in mind. Both katakana and hiragana were developed in the Heian period, the former for transcribing Buddhist sutras and the latter as a cursive shorthand for Man'yōgana. In fact before WWII katakana was preferred to hiragana in official documents. Only in 1946 were the usages of the two kana systems separated the way they are now. Not because katakana was somehow seen as better fitting to Western languages, just for better parsing: Japanese is written without spaces, so the three writing systems help delineate word boundaries (though not in all cases). Since Western loanwords usually cannot be written with kanji it was decided that they should be written in katakana to separate them from native and Chinese words.83.243.71.142 (talk) 10:13, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hmm... 

message: The text currently says "Complex orthographies often combine different types of scripts and/or utilize many different complex punctuation rules."  AFAIK, punctuation has nothing to do with it.  There are several issues--combining different types of scripts is, I guess, one of them (someone who knows more about Japanese can perhaps confirm that).  Other issues include the use of context-sensitive forms of letters (like Arabic), and complex rules for positioning when combining characters (Bengali and many other languages written with Indic scripts).  But I am looking at this from the perspective of computer rendering of written forms, and maybe there are other considerations when it comes to hand-written texts (like the number of different characters in the writing system). Mcswell (talk) 03:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complex orthographies 

message: Yesterday I reverted an edit setting a link to the Kurdic Academy of Language web site. When I checked the site, it was off-line, which is why I removed that link. Today I checked again, and the site is up and running, and immensely interesting. I would still think that the link is not appropriate for a page dealing with othography in general, but others might disagree with me on this. If so, then someone with a user name should put up the link once more. Landroving Linguist (talk) 13:32, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurdic Orthography 

message: Could anyone familiar with orthogaphy and Orthography drop by and have a look?  I'm getting a strong feeling it's turning into a content fork. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 19:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The duplication of orthography content is surely harmful and the article appears to be presenting a thesis or pov. If allowable, such a technique can open up a new world of comparative pov encyclopedics, e.g., General Motors and Ford :)  Cheers Bjenks (talk) 13:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So, in the absence of any disagreement, I've merged the content to Dyslexia research#Orthographies and dyslexia, complete with its shortcomings and tags. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 04:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Orthographies and dyslexia]]

message: Sorry, I agree my "content contribution" was too much close to a joke, so it was right to undo it.As an italian who (tries to) use english, I (childly) just couldn't resist when I read "citation needed" referred to "English is among the least phonemic [orthographies]" !With respect and gratitude to the wiki comunity,bye,Michele. --84.220.224.242 (talk) 13:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthography [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Orthography&diff=304227202&oldid=304206648|Orthography, Revision 02:56, 26 July 2009]] 

message: Can I propose a new verb? If it doesn't already exist then it really should - to orthograph.
Orthograph vb. The act of transliterating words into a standard spelling. Thus Chaucer's 'Whan that Aprille with his shoures sote, the droghte of Marche hath perced to the rote...' can be orthographed as 'When that April with his showers sweet, the drought of March hath pierced to the root...'  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.1.107 (talk) 09:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If serious: WP:OR. If not: WP:NOT#CHAT. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:50, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new verb; To orthograph 

message: Sometimes there may be variation in a language's orthography, as between American and British spelling in the case of English orthography.
In the formal Canadian register, our orthography is predominantly British. In the informal register, our orthography is rife with Americanisms, almost to the point where anything goes (from either camp): even if the document on its own terms is inconsistent from one place to another. 
At the semi-formal end—where the writer projects an educated persona, but might not be writing a formal piece as such—it's considered bad form to mix and match on an inconsistent basis (choose one or the other on each major decision point and stick with it), but only the most vigilant fussbudget reads carefully enough to notice this (Margaret Atwood?), so in practice this has little ultimate import (apart from, I suspect, some internal, rivalrous score-keeping). 
It's not that different in Canada with measurement, either. 
You can mix kg and °F in the same document (like a blog post), hardly anyone would bat an eyelash, though randomly switching between kg and lbs in the same document would attract some notice. You can also use °K for gas cylinders, °C for outdoor temperature, and then °F for your souffle recipe in the same post, and no Canadian would find this weird, either (living as a quasi-British culture as the cranial cumberbund of The Beast as we do, the "when in Rome" factor in Canada is unusually contextual). Canadian ovens are all in Fahrenheit, Canadian radio is all in Celsius, Canadian science is all in French (units), Canadian grocery pricing is half and half (until you get to the till, where receipts are recorded in kg only). 
I'm not going to source any of this, but it's a thing, and if someone has a source, it wouldn't hurt the article to put the contingent dimension forward. — MaxEnt 21:19, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The variation in units of measure is not an orthography issue, though fascinating! This article is about spelling. Pete unseth (talk) 17:41, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contingent variation 

message: Why does the article mention transnational languages first? Why not just say that most languages with a writing system have an orthography? To me, it seems that could mislead someone who is skimming the article. Turist-n (talk) 14:51, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transnational languages 

message: Hey guys, for some reason the link to the Dutch page of this article links to the Dutch Spelling page. 
There's no Dutch page for Ortography, only a translation on https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/orthografie.
I'll happily translate the page but the link should be removed or linked to another more similar article before that is done.
Regards.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.112.89.157 (talk) 08:32, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Nederlands (Dutch) 

message: There is a proposed new template, , which is intended as an entry point for readers unfamiliar with the specialist notation used in the subject. It would normally be placed after the lead of articles that use grapheme (and related) notations so that it sits beside the ToC. After a long discussion at template talk:Linguistics notation, the consensus is that the phoneme aspect is best handled by an addition to , leaving the orthography and typography aspects remaining. The proposal therefore is to rename the template as  and the opening sentence would read "This page uses orthography notation". 
If there are any comments or reservations, please use template talk:Linguistics notation#Proposed new name: Orthography notation to express them. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 00:42, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The new template is now live and called . --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:31, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed template: Orthography notation 

message: A lot of this article reads like an essay based in large part on original research and lacks citations to relevant sources.
For example in one section there is the sentence "This is discussed further at Phonemic orthography § Morphophonemic features." which sounds more like something from an academic paper than an encyclopedia!
95.150.59.152 (talk) 12:29, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

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