Talk:Transnistria Governorate

message: Can I somebody give information about ethnic composition of this area between wars? Luka Jačov 11:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is hard, in part because of the lack of sources ... and also because it was under Soviet control for most of the time (Soviet stats not being the most reliable). I did some lookups for you and I found some info on Tiraspol, but not on the rest of Transnistria. Tiraspol. It was heavily Jewish with 27 percent of the city's population being Jews at the turn of the century. This was one of the reasons why, in WWII, Romanian fascists went past the natural border of Greater Romania (crossing the Dniester into Transnistria) and the war slogan "Jews into the Dniester" was born. - Mauco 18:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Update to the above: I found some data which DOES list ethnic composition between the wars. It is posted at http://www.pridnestrovie.net/images/historicpopulation.gif and shows census numbers for 1926 (for all of MASSR) and 1936 (for Transnistria). It is part of this page: http://www.pridnestrovie.net/2004census.html - Mauco 11:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your stats are useless in the context of this article, because they only cover the MASSR -- a small part of the Transnistria we are talking about. Moreover, I would expect the stats to be biased by the desire of the Soviets to show how many Moldovans were on the MASSR territory. Dpotop 16:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Transnistria

message: In October - November 1941 Romanian troops killed in Odessa about 30 thousand Jews. Many Jews have been deported in Transnistria from Bessarabia and Bukovina. 200 thousand Jews were victims of Romanian occupation of Transnistria (Odessa and Pridnestrovie) 1941-1944. Ben-Velvel 23:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Romanian occupation of Transnistria 1941-1944: killings of Jews

message: What does the so-called "Soviet genocide" have to do with this article? Did it specifically take place in occupied Transnistria, and no where else? And did it happen in World War II? What is the relevance? If it is for "background", then the next question is: Background to WHAT exactly? To show that the Romanian invasion was somehow justified, and the killing of hundreds of thousands of Jews in the Romanian holocaust? Not a single loss of life is ever justified by the loss of another life, never. I am disgusted to my bones by the editor who wants to include this. - Mauco 00:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For once, I am largely in agreement with William Mauco (except for his presumption that the editor meant it to read this way). The way this is written, it really doesn't belong here. However, differently worded, some background on what the region had been through in the years leading up to the war would be appropriate. - Jmabel | Talk 01:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the scope of this article should be restricted to World War II. Any events that preceded this period should be added to other articles, such as the Transnistria one and the Ukraine or Ukrainian SSR. TSO1D 01:37, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The title of the article pretty much sets the tone for what we can include here and what we can't. Background is OK, of course (for instance, for have a smallish history section in the War of Transnistria article, even though the history which it covers is actually predating the war). Background, however, should be relevant. I can't see how Soviet genocide has a bearing on subsequent events in World War II. It would be impossible to argue, for instance, that the Nazis invaded because they wanted to liberate the population of Transnistria so that Soviet genocide didn't happen. Not even Hitler had the gall to say that. I apologize for getting emotional over this, and I have stricken that part. We must keep a cool head when we edit. - Mauco 06:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only possible relevance is to indicate that the people of this region had dealt with a series of calamities, of which the German/Romanian occupation was only one. - Jmabel | Talk 04:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. That belongs to History_of_Transnistria#Autonomous_Moldavian_Republic_in_Soviet_Ukraine. bogdan 08:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am in full agreement. To make it clear: I was never against the inclusion of the section, as I pointed out. My main beef was that it was included in the wrong article (this one). - Mauco 12:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with TSO1D, Bogdan, and William on this one. That fragment, when included in this article, is propaganda. Dahn 19:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think we really need to see more sentences like that (Dahn's first one) here on Wikipedia. :-) --Illythr 20:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Soviet genocide"

message: I'm inclined to remove the link I. Altman Holocaust on occupied territory of USSR, Chapter 3. It's a dead link; a version can be found on the Internet Archive (http://web.archive.org/web/20041021095108/http://history.pedclub.ru/shoa/hfond_111.htm) but, at least on my browser, it is illegible. If someone has a clue how to make that Internet Archive link work, do speak up. - Jmabel | Talk 23:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article's encoding is win-1251 (Russian Cyrillic for Windows OSes). --Illythr 11:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha! There was nothing in the citation to even indicate that it was in Russian. - Jmabel | Talk 00:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead link

message: I have found this book ("Odessa, 1941-1944: A Case Study of Soviet Territory Under Foreign Rule" by Alexander Dallin) on the Russian talk page of the Transnistria (1941-1944) article.
The book is very detailed and provides a lot of insight on the activities of Romanians in the Dniester-Bug region. It mostly focuses on Odessa, but also provides a considerable amount of information about Romanian policies, behavior and general situation in the whole occupied region. The book provides an excellent expansion possibility for this article, for which I, sadly, will probably never have the time. Still, if anyone will ever want to make some major contributions here, this book is definitely the place to check out first. --Illythr 01:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems a good book, I propose to include it in External links section. Later, info from the book can be used for expanding the article.--MariusM 12:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion potential

message: :there was never any attempt to formally annex the occupied territory beyond the Dniester [...] merely a temporary buffer zone [...] Not being Romanian territory, Transnistria was used as a killing field for the extermination of Jews. 
IMO, that's a bit POV. Actually, Antonescu wanted to deport the Jews "beyond the Urals", if the circumstances would allow that. The Germans never reached the Urals, so this plan was never used.
:Mai am în Basarabia aproximativ 10.000 de evrei, care în câteva zile vor fi trecuţi peste Nistru, iar dacă circumstanţele vor permite, vor fi trecuţi dincolo de Urali”
:: Antonescu, from a government meeting.
http://www1.yadvashem.org/about_yad/what_new/data_whats_new/pdf/Romanian/1.9_Role_of_Antonescu_revazut_gina.pdf
bogdan 18:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Not wanting Transnistria

message: I question the validity of the map inserted by Olahus: seeing as how this article claims that Romania never annexed Transnistria, because Antonescu did not want to agree with the loss of Transylvania, at least the current map caption contradicts that text. Otherwise, a similar map based on the same logic, "USSR in 1945" might depict most of Europe as "Soviet Union". --Illythr (talk) 15:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Romanian Transnistria

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: A memorial video for the holocaust in Transnistra , hoping that people lean more about the Transnistra Holocaust, that it was a horrible time and the Romanians have not taken responsibility.
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwrq-6V5eeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwrq-6V5eeU
Band: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shlock_Rockhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shlock_Rock
Please, Can this be added ?
Spike641 (talk) 05:23, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding video on Transnistra Holocaust 

message: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Transnistria_Governorate.png
I don't know if this is the static URL or a dynamic URL. I found it on https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Transnistria_Governorate (which now it isn't showing) Can this be added, it fits well, thanks  Spike641 (talk) 03:38, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional Map