Talk:M-84

message: Previously, under "place of origin" in the table it wrote Yugoslavia/Serbia... M-84 was made primarily in Đuro Đaković factory in Slavonski Brod, Croatia. (April 20 2007)
:It was assembled in DD, but the parts for it were made by factories from all over former Yugoslavia, so it is most accurate to say it was made in Yugoslavia without mentioning a republic. Edrigu 17:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: DD is just where the final assembly took place. The VW Golf is assembled in Mexico, does that make it a Mexican car instead of a German one? No because it was designed in Germany. The parts for the M-84 were produced by companies thoughout all over the former Yugoslavia, and the (non-Russian) parts were designed by companies throughout all over SFRJ. I believe the design was led and coordinated by the national military technical institute, in Belgrade, which also did most of the work. The project name was Kapela. Croatia is putting together Degmans or M-84D or whatever they call it now by using parts produced back in those days, not by building all-new parts. Croatia does not have the capability to build all parts today. For example they do not have the capability to cast turrets. But many of them were left over from unfinished M-84s so they can continue production until they run out of those parts, but then... If you speak Serbocroatian, see here:  Edrigu 21:42, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok then give me the name of the Croatian facility that has the capability to cast turrets? Anyways I fail to see how any of your points relate to this wikipedia article. Are there some specific changes you are proposing to be made to the M-84 article, or what? Edrigu 19:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Place of origin

message: I don't see the justification for a separate, 1-paragraph article for this variant.  It appears to add some significant technology, but even the people who built it didn't think it warranted more than a figure "1" to distinguish it from a previous model.  Most of the information and all of the pictures about the M-84AB1 are already here anyway. —Michael Z. 2007-07-23 16:28 Z
:Agree. Bukvoed 11:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[M-84AB1]] 

message: Is it just the translation or is this article as badly written as i think?  The facts and figures aside, this article could really use some tidying up, unfortunately i am unable to verify any of these facts and figures so i wouldn't like to try and sort it out.  
Just for the record, i was taken here by the Random Article function.
Entire Article is a total nonsense and full of grammar mistakes, totally inaccurate as well. 
I'll be cleaning the article because it is pure nonsense what some ppl put in.Mic of orion
PPS, this will take time, it needs total rewrite, I am trying to be as nice as I can, article is a total mess, I'll be using Jane's AFV recognition guide as honestly I do not understand any of the gibberish written there, no offense but this article is a real mess I've done first 2 paragraphs, I'll try to finish whole thing if my work permits, btw if you feel Jane's AFV is totally inaccurate plz post here more accurate data, do not change it before you research the article totally, thanxMic of orion--Mic of orion 00:56, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, your grammar is not a big improvement over the previous version. In particular, the frequent missing of articles (the, a) makes it read like it was written by an eastern European. Secondly, there are still inaccuracies; it was not heavily used by all sides in the war. Only the Serbs used it heavily, the other sides had either no M-84s or very few. Edrigu 01:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible Article 

message: the article's grammar issues have now been wholly dealt with. cheers. --OettingerCroat 06:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh? I just looked at it and saw loads more grammar, punctuation and other problems. So I've fixed all that I can find, it should be ok now. --Hibernian 16:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar perfected 

message: Does anyone know which units of Croatian Army are operateing M-84 MBTs?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.101.241.129 (talk) 17:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  M-84 in Croatia 

message: Hi All,
The article looks quite good, I've just noticed the following sentence that seems to be out of place in the "Armor" section of the "Infobox": 
:5 lance grenades fumigating 
Maybe this would be part of a "defensive systems" section? Need to give a better look at the "Infobox" template myself. 
Regards, DPdH (talk) 23:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible inaccurate statement in the "Armor" section of the "Infobox"? 

message: Hi :)
I just wanna say that is not that tank used i Bosnia And Herzegovina anymore so i change it. Elvis Jukic (talk) 03:54, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yugoslavian M 84 

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message: Hi, why you delete information about captured tanks in Bosnia, these informations are thrue. Pousorac (talk) 14:50, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Because you lack sources. Илија Гуск (talk) 20:44, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  M-84 War in Bosnia 

message: Production of Yugoslavia and Serbia M-84 versions and variants from domestic components was shared between many companies - 240 directly involved companies with much more indirectly because tank is consisting from about 20.000 parts. There where two finalist for M-84 montage, one in today Croatia for M-84, M-84A and modernization M-84A4 and one prototype called M-84D consisting mostly of parts of 2 "Vihor" prototype tank. Montage line in Croatia was first established and one was established later in today what is Serbia mainly for M-84A and M-84AI. Croatia was never able to produce any M-84 without all other Yugoslavia republic involved and almost all parts for maintenance and modernization after dissolution of Yugoslavia are imported. Croatia was able to montage some M-84 in 1991 and 1992 from parts that are delivered prior 1992 mostly for export in Kuwait. As Serbia has largest tank fleet of M-84 and T-72 of all former Yugoslavia republics in order to keep it operational and modernized and because that is given as strategic priorities for armed forces and state arms industries and with expectations of some export most parts for M-84 are now domestically produced including some that where not produced in Serbia before. So Serbia today of all Yugoslavia republics has largest capabilities for producing most of systems, parts and components for maintaining, modernization and producing M-84 tanks, mainly all mechanical parts and a lot of electrical components are domestically produced with some electronics imported like thermal and other cameras. Loesorion (talk) 08:59, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production of M-84 history and today in 2020