Talk:Michael Badnarik/Archive 1

message: How does one go about getting this listed in the 'news' section of Wiki?  tpahl 22:22, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  question 

message: Now that the election is over, perhaps you can agree on what to write about the candidate's popularity... Page unprotected. — David Remahl 18:16, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unprotected 

message: I added the new hyperlink to archive.org's download page for one of Badnarik's recorded constitution classes. I added it here because I think it is a valuable work that not very many people know about. I know this article generates plenty of friction and I hope my changes do not cause anyone strain. Triddle 21:25, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added link to a video of Badnarik's Constitution class 

message: As there have been no disputes on this page for several months, I took the liberty of removing the neutrality dispute notice ( from the article. If anyone has a problem with this, please state your issues here and reinstate the notice. -- Seth Ilys 19:13, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed neutrality dispute notice. 

message: To the anonymous user who removed a sentence about CPD, claiming that "calling CPD a private entity is POV": How is describing CPD as a "private entity" POV? How do you propose we describe them? The sentence you deleted served to balance the neutrality of the whole paragraph, so you can't simply remove it. If you think CPD should be characterized in some other way, that's ok, but don't remove a vital part of the paragraph. In the mean time, I have reverted you. The commission is by all means private, and "entity" is a rather neutral word IMHO. What side's POV do you believe it reflects? — David Remahl 12:28, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Describing CPD 

message: I find it galling that Badnarik's more extreme views have been removed from this article simply because a Badnarik supporter may feel that they would make Badnarik less attractive to readers. I invite an investigation into the veracity of the items under the recently-deleted "political views" section. My sources are listed below. 
I suggest the recent articles in Liberty Magazine 
http://www.libertyunbound.com/archive/2004_11/armstrong-badnarik.html
An article in Liberty Magazine (a libertarian magazine) about Badnarik
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Well thanks, I hadn't seen that second article, no surprise, Liberty magazine has been anti-LP for years(ever since they rejected renting out their lists to them), so I generally take things from them with a grain of salt.
Anyway as to the rest of your edits , they all correspond to the first article(the 2004_08 one). First off, the book he hands out at these classes is not the same one being published(it has a lot of the same content, but it's not the same). Second none of the positions you stated are from that book, they are from the COMMENTS page of his old website, when he was joking around with people using jokes from his speech, you can not state jokes-hyperbole’s as someone's position.
203.112.19.195 20:53, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro or anti Badnarik basis here aids no-one 

message: This (removed) text regarded falsehoods on the Badnarik site (at http://badnarik.org/whybadnarik/why_republicans.php ) which the author considers to be unprofessional.  All comers have the author’s permission to remove the vestiges of this text since the consensus seems to be that, despite the content on this page, it was at odds with the object and purpose of this forum. I defer to persuasive reason and I issue my apologies for any annoyance caused.  
Thanks to Remahl & Langelier for their informative posts (although, Remahl may wish avoid ad hominem abusive type assertions in the future – such attacks have no intellectual value and thus more closely approximate the meaning of ‘drivel’ [imho]).    
::An excellent question, and I don't know the answer either. I guess you could write a polite note on their talk page. Sometimes offtopic chat is harmless, but this is not one of those cases. The best answer may be to just stick it out until after the US elections. Rhobite 20:59, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
::Generally the community is very permissive about what users keep on their user pages. The above (drivel, imho) is acceptable, I believe. On this talk page, on the other hand, it is off-topic since it doesn't talk about how to make the article better. — David Remahl 22:05, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  One could not be faulted for thinking that this page was some kind of op-ed section given what has been posted before.  To be fair, the entire page should be weeded of stuff not directly pertinent to the editing of the article.  Like Rhobite said, there is a time and place for off-topic chat, and the line may be fine but when the off-topic stuff approaches essay length it is fair to say the line has been crossed. Marteau 22:12, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Badnarik campaign extremely unprofessional 

message: do you folks like my santa pic?
Kalmia 06:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  santa pic 

message: The scan I made of Michael Badnarik's business card was removed.  I think it should remain because it is posted next to the section discussing ZIP codes.  That section should be reworded.  If he made a comment about ZIP codes, put citation, but it is incorrect to say that he doesn't use them or that he uses them in the way that is mentioned in the article.
If there isn't sufficient objection, I will replace the image.  I will give it a few days to be discussed.
Kalmia 23:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Business Card and ZIP codes

message: Some note should be made that at least one of those assertions is verifiably true. The Federal Reserve is not a branch of the government and is a private business. -23:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncommon Assertions in book 

message: I added some citation tags in the section on Badnarik's alleged agreement with various tax protester arguments. There are various citations, but they are citations to information about tax protester arguments. There is no citation that shows that Badnarik himself actually agrees with those tax protester arguments. Yours, Famspear 16:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lack of sourcing on Badnarik's views about taxes

message: Under the 'Views on taxes' section, there is a line 'He has also cited[17], who has served time in prison for tax evasion.' Whom did he cite? The name has gone missing. 155.92.33.89 (talk) 01:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed that line, because it wasn't at all clear who was being cited, even when looking up the info on the given page number of the book that was cited in the ref.--JayJasper (talk) 03:58, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing name 

message: It appears that the subject of this article espouses (or at least has espoused, in the past) some positions that, if acted upon, can and have landed people in federal prison. It is not at all clear that the subject of the article is actually aware of that, so we need to be careful about what we write here. For example, one of the matters is the William Benson sixteenth amendment nonsense. I added some detail on that. Benson is an ex-con who spent time in federal prison for tax offenses. See The Law that Never Was. His own "sixteenth amendment was not ratified" argument is completely bogus from a legal standpoint, and (as noted in the article on Benson's book) has been ruled to be part of a fraudulent scheme. The argument also has been ruled legally invalid -- over and over, in leading federal court cases. Since it appears Badnarik has espoused this kind of stuff, I want to be very precise about what I say about it in the article (even more so than normal, especially since this is article on a living person). Badnarik himself might not be aware of the criminal background of Benson, Benson's prior tax problems, or the "legal" status of this kind of stuff. Yours, Famspear (talk) 19:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Tax materials

message: Mr. Badnarik hosted the radio program 'lighting the fires of liberty' for almost 2 years.  This was his most recent, and probably most public project, yet no mention of it here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.95.157.33 (talk) 11:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Radio Host

message: No sources identify Michael Badnarik as a minarchist. PublicSquare (talk) 14:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Badnarik does not practice minarchism 

message: Is there any reason for this page to contain a description of Badnarik's views on ZIP codes? I'm not aware of this being an issue that a lot of people care about, and there's no indication that Badnarik is fanatical about it either--it was just something he said in response to an interviewer's question. The only reason it's in the article, as far as I can tell, is to make him sound kind of loony.
It's been there for a while, so I won't delete it right away, but I'd like to know if anyone has a good reason to keep it in.
Jwsinclair (talk) 00:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of the ZIP code section