Talk:Transatlantic flight

message: One important event missing:
March 30-June 17, 1922. Portuguese aviators Sacadura Cabral, as pilot, and Gago Coutinho, as navigator, fly across the Atlantic from Lisbon, Portugal to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in three Fairey III floatplanes, successively used  as the aviators are forced to ditch twice.
They eventually arrived in Rio aboard the Fairey named "Santa Cruz". First time that men fly across the Atlantic using the stars for navigation, with the Coutinho-modified sextant (introduction of an artificial horizon).
One other important event missing: Canadians Harry Richman & Robert Merrill made the first transatlantic round trip flight 1936.  Trekphiler 23:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
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message: Can anyone confirm the names of the Fairy IIID seaplanes used by Cabral and Coutinho in 1922? This wikipedia page, and several others (probably using the same sources) say that the second seaplane was called "Patria Brasileira", but I've seen sources that say that the second seaplane was called "Portugal". Here is my main source:  Based on this source (which claims to be "Based on the reports written by the two aviators themselves which are available in publications and mimeographed documents in the Reference Library of the Navy Museum in Lisbon"), I am changing the article to say the second seaplane was called "Portugal". I've also added a link to the reference in the article. If anyone can find a source that says something different, can they please add a comment here as well. Thanks. 194.200.237.219 12:42, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Picture of one of the 1922 Portuguese Fairey IIIc's in a 1950 issue of Flight here;  but no mention of any individual aircraft names.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.147.13 (talk) 20:41, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of Fairey IIID seaplanes (1922)? 

message: Given the opening blurb to this article,(Transatlantic flight is any flight of an aircraft, whether fixed-wing aircraft, balloon or other device...)  why is there no reference to transatlantic crossings by rc/unmanned aircraft, such as TAM 5? Does this not warrant a mention? Sydb 15:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radio controlled / unmanned aircraft 

message: Yeah I wish! Most flights are over seven hours from New York to London. They flights are mostly over 5 hrs I would say , not the two described by the image.Tourskin 01:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2hrs from land? 

message: The entry for the Lindbergh flight credits Lucky Lindy with the first flight from the "American mainland."  However, the flight originated on Long Island, which is not part of the mainland. (It is also not in "New York City" as the article states.)
72.128.92.222 (talk) 06:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed.  Trekphiler (talk) 15:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long Island is not on the mainland! 

message: Amelia rode as a passenger; who crewed the F.VII?  Trekphiler (talk) 15:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ride 'em cowgirl

message: Absent evidence these are notable, I deleted.
* January 16 1933 - Jean Mermoz and crew make a non-stop flight from Senegal to Brazil, across South Atlantic, in 17 hours 27 minutes.
* January 22 - January 26 1926 Plus Ultra was a Dornier Do J hydroplane which completed a Trans-Atlantic flight  with a crew of Spanish aviators, that included Ramón Franco and Julio Ruiz de Alda Miqueleiz, Juan Manuel Duran and Pablo Rada.
* June 29 - June 30 1934 - Polish-Americans Benjamin and Joseph Adamowicz, amateur pilots, flew across the Atlantic from Newfoundland to France.
Trekphiler (talk) 15:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: So what?

message: What on earth is that image doing here? It could be anywhere! I'm going to delete it soon, unless someone else beats me to it. --TraceyR (talk) 14:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: New image inserted. Nice picture but same rationale for deletion applies. This image could have been taken over the Pacific, the Indian Ocean, Siberia, the Antarctic - what is its relevance to this article? How does it add to the reader's understanding of transatlantic flight? It has got to go! --TraceyR (talk) 14:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Now another image has been added (or maybe the same one again?). What does a "Wingtip view of a transatlantic Air Canada flight in an Airbus A330-300 at 39,000 feet. Notice the ice build-up on the window" contribute to an article about Transatlantic flight? Same rationale for deletion as in January and March. If anyone can give a sensible reason for keeping it I'll stay the finger on the delete button. If not, it follows the others into the virtual bin. --TraceyR (talk) 22:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  View from flight over the Atlantic? 

message: The entry says the "First solo transatlantic flight and first non-stop fixed-wing aircraft flight between America and mainland Europe" was 3,600 nautical miles (6,667 km). Actually it was about 3,140 nautical miles (3,613 miles) or 5,815 km  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.1.41.188 (talk) 14:46, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can source that, fix it?  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  18:06, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Roosevelt Field was at 40.74 N 73.61 W, and 48.95 N 2.43 E looks as good a guess as any for Le Bourget-- so that makes it 5826 km if he took the shortest route. Tim Zukas (talk) 21:53, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Lindy

message: The article states: "From 1931 onwards, LZ 127 Graf Zeppelin operated the world's first scheduled transatlantic passenger flights, mainly between Germany and Brazil (64 such round trips overall) sometimes stopping in Spain, Miami, London, and Berlin." (my emphasis)
Is there a source for the "sometimes stopping" claim?  I've read a lot on passenger Zeppelins, including Eckener's autobiography, and cannot recall seeing any mention of these stopovers.  The scheduled Graf Zeppelin and Hindenburg flights went from Friedrichshafen (and later Frankfurt, when the new airship terminal was opened in July 1936) either direct to Lakehurst, or to Rio de Janeiro with one stop at Recife.  Incidentally, the mooring mast at Recife is still there, and to my knowledge is the only short-mast Zeppelin landing facility that still survives anywhere in the world.
In any case, there was no airport capable of handling a Zeppelin anywhere near London, at any rate.  The only option would have been Cardington, but it had been out of use since the R101 disaster, and in any case only had tall mast mooring facilities, not the short mast ones required by Zeppelins. -- LDGE
I'm also sceptical about "mainly between Germany and Brazil."  Of the total GZ and Hindenburg round trips, there were as many if not more to Lakehurst than to Rio.  (talk) 04:17, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: BSAA flew routes from London Heathrow down to Buenos Aires, via Bermuda, back in the immediate post war years, mostly using the Lancastrian.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.4.57.101 (talk) 17:18, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zeppelin stopovers? 

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message: It would be helpful to add a summary "Timeline" to the article.  There are a number of potentially confusing/misleading statements about "firsts" when different categories of things are being considered. (The word "first" currently appears 96 times in the article, so clarity would be good.) 
DKEdwards (talk) 17:23, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: Under "First transatlantic flights": "In 1934 the first woman aviator to cross the Atlantic, and the first person to fly solo from England to North America was Beryl Markham."
Under "Notable transatlantic flights and attempts," "1930s," "First solo crossing of the Atlantic by a woman": "On 20 May 1932, Amelia Earhart set off from Harbour Grace, Newfoundland [and] landed ... at Culmore, north of Derry, Northern Ireland ..."
Don't those contradict?  The second seems to be correct.  As to the first item, it's at least partly wrong.  Markham was not the first woman aviator to cross the Atlantic -- Earhart did it in 1928 as a passenger (unless we define her as not being an aviator) and again in 1932 as solo pilot.  The second part might be right -- Markham's distinction might be first pilot of either gender to cross the Atlantic non-stop solo from east to west (a more difficult flight due to headwinds).  So should the Markham entry read "In 1934 the first person to fly non-stop solo from England to North American was Beryl Markham" (or, possibly, to make the category more clear, "In 1934 Beryl Markham made the first non-stop solo flight across the Atlantic from east to west, flying from England to North America")?  (For what it's worth, based on Markham's Wikipedia article, that appears to be a correct description of her achievement; HOWEVER, that article gives the year as 1936.)  In any case, shouldn't Earhart's flight be listed under "First transatlantic flights" instead of "Notable transatlantic flights and attempts"?  It's also a first, and arguably more important (has fewer qualifiers)
If someone has primary responsibility for this article and would rather I fix this myself, just say so.Gms3591 (talk) 19:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  First woman to cross the Atlantic solo