Talk:Admiral

message: Can someone who knows something about these things explain the disappearance of Commodore from among US naval ranks and the "Lower half" and "Upper half" designations? RickK 01:16 7 Jul 2003 (UTC)
It's all actually very well explained in the Commodore article.
--Ray Trygstad 22:10, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Commodore

message: Does anyone else think it's out of place to have a complete table of British officer ranks on the page for every military and Naval rank? Shouldn't it have it's own entry, perhaps?
--Ray Trygstad 22:41, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: British Navy

message: What do people think about making this into a disambig page?  There are already four countries listed here as well as the listing of ranks by senority.  Separate the Admiral articles into ranks by country might be in order at this pont.  I just did something similar over at the articles regarding General of the Army and Field Marshal.  -Husnock 09:05, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Since each nation has a slightly different version of the rank structure, I'd be tempted to do the opposite: roll them all into one article, and explain the nuances in a section for each nation, or each grade.  Please also see my comments about merging at Talk:Fleet Admiral.  —Michael Z. 2005-08-4 16:09 Z
This article should explain what an admiral (with a small 'a') is (in the sense that Fleet Admirals, Vice Admirals, etc., are all 'admirals'), whilst the actual ranks (an 'Admiral' with a big 'A') should be dealt with in separate articles by country: Admiral (United States), Admiral (United Kingdom), etc. Fleet Admiral is currently ridiculously Americo-centric in that it says that 'Fleet Admiral' is the general term for a very senior admiral, which is nonsense. It should be a disambiguation page. Proteus (Talk) 17:11, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

text: What is the problem with Fleet Admiral?  Why is it ridiculous and nonesense?  I suggest bringing the issue to the Fleet Admiral Talk Page -Husnock 18:18, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The list article has been created.  I think it looks much better, far less bulky, and allows for considerable expansion in the articles on the admiral ranks of the individual countries. -Husnock 17:11, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambig?

message: I noticed that the British Royal Navy is referred to as 'Royal Navy', whereas the Dutch Royal Navy is referred to as the Dutch Navy. Am i the only one who thinks this is weird?
I was about to edit it, then i saw there were already some Dutchspeakers on the talk page, so i'll leave it to you guys. Yeahyeahillmakeanicksoon 2:34 CET 9 aug 2005
:A longstanding tradition in the English-speaking world, which is why it's at Royal Navy with no modifiers. However, it's often a good idea to add "British" in text where there might be some confusion. Stan 03:08, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What Royal Navy?

message: The first paragraph of the current "etymology" section covers the basesEnglish from French, French from Med. Latin mangling of Arabic emirand then there are 7 loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong paragraphs of random nonsense trying to discuss historical folk etymologies as if they were all equally accurate (instead of all already known to be inaccurate) and some attestation history that should just be in a history section before circling back to additional early English forms that belong at the top of the section instead of its tail. I guess some of that silliness is owing to the discussion above, but it seems bizarre whoever wrote it thought Sicilian, Italian, Aragonese, French, Portuguese, and Spanish didn't count as "Latin-based languages" while imagining English does and then went on to write a "Further History" section without an actual "History" section before it.
In any case, the OED actually handles this very well (as usual) but if we need a specific expert on the specific topic 
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specifically calls out the derivation from amir al-anything as nonsense already well known to be nonsense since the 1860s. — LlywelynII 14:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Cheezus

message: # In U.S. Naval tradition, Admiral of the Navy outranks Fleet Admiral. The rank was only ever held by one U.S. officer, George Dewey; in 1945, the U.S. Navy considered creating the equivalent rank of Flag Admiral, but nothing came of the proposal. 
# In the Imperial Russian Navy, General Admiral was the equivalent of an Admiral of the Fleet. The German Kriegsmarine, however, had both General Admiral and Grand Admiral ranks: Grand Admiral was the senior, equivalent to an Admiral of the Fleet; General Admiral ranked between Admiral and Grand Admiral, and had no exact equivalent elsewhere. 
# The U.S. Navy has two grades of Rear Admiral (Rear Admiral Upper Half and Rear Admiral Lower Half): the latter is the equivalent of a Flotilla Admiral.
# Counter Admiral is an alternative rendering of ranks more commonly translated "Rear Admiral": e.g., the French Contre-amiral.
# This rank is rare; many navies have an equivalent rank of Commodore in this position. Commodores are not considered to be Admirals: depending on the navy, they may or may not be considered Flag Officers. For eleven months in the 1980s, the U.S. Navy had the hybrid rank of Commodore Admiral, before dividing the rank of Rear Admiral as described above.
Flag ranks in the Dutch Navy have some unique features that make them difficult to fit in the table above:
* Admiraal (Admiral) is a five-star rank, corresponding to Fleet Admiral or Admiral of the Fleet;
* the equivalent of plain Admiral is Luitenant Admiraal (Lieutenant Admiral);
* the equivalent of Rear Admiral is Schout-bij-nacht, which does not readily translate into English; see its article for more information.
The Royal Navy has the position (not rank) of Port Admiral; historically, this was often a senior captain rather than an admiral proper. 
Several science fiction sources also give mention of the additional Admiral ranks of Sector Admiral, High Admiral, and Branch Admiral.  None of these fictional Admiral ranks have ever been used, however, in an actual real world Navy.  The rank of Fleet Admiral is also common in science fiction sources.
— Franey 10:17, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify, is this seniority based upon NATO standard ranking ie post NA Treaty? GraemeLeggett 13:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a discussion above about what would happen if all the Admirals were in the same room who would sit at the head of the table.  I think that is what the table is trying to demonstrate.  It simple points out that if an Admiral of the Fleet and a Rear Admiral were in the same room, the Ad Fleet would probably be senior and that a Commodore Admiral is junior to a Vice Admiral, etc, etc.  The table, I feel serves to show all Admiral ranks from several periods and compare them in one place.  We then have country specfic articles for such extensions to such common ranks such as Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union.  I have an idea to revamp the article, but I'm sure changes to the table would be fine for now. -Husnock 16:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The table still can't meet that objective, as it can't allow for differences in time and place without descending into an unholy mess. You can't show, for example, that AotN Dewey is considered to outrank F Adm Nimitz, yet if Dewey had met AotF Algernon McLennan Lyons in 1904, the latter would have taken precedence: AotN was created as the equivalent of AotF, and Lyons had more time in rank. (And if the U.S. had declared AotN to outrank AotF, the British response might have been less than polite.) — Franey 12:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: Surely admiral is not a proper noun and should not be capitalised throughout.  Only when part of a specific name. -- Beardo 11:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation 

message: I will mark this one as fact required....
ADMIRAL Appliances were sold in the US by Admiral Radio, and in Canada by Canadian Admiral Corp.  Wards radios used "AIRLINE" as a brand. see for example http://www.scripophily.net/adcode1.html  and  http://www.geocities.com/rxtxtubes/pa01077.htm  cmacd 19:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mongomery Ward appliances?    

message: Does anybody know if 1- or 2-star admirals -- from any navy -- are ever assigned to single-ship commands? I'm not talking here about commanding squadrons from a flagship; I'm referring to commanding a single vessel on a day-to-day basis, or commanding a mission from a single ship. Sacxpert 07:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admiralty Officers & Single-Ship Command 

message: The last 2 paragraphs in the "Etymology" and "Further History" sections are word-for-word identical.  The third-from-last paragraphs are also *almost* identical. 69.118.248.228 (talk) 01:12, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicate pasted paragraphs 

message: In the section titled Admiral insignia by country, the following were showing empty transparent images where rank insignia were once shown: Almirante, Angolan Navy; Amiral, Benin Navy; and Amiral, Congolese Navy.
I have remove these three placeholder images.AdmPope (talk) 10:19, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of blank insignia images