Talk:Thaksin Shinawatra

message: I've done a check and discovered that this is the 4th-longest article on a national leader of any at the English Wikipedia. Only Bush, Blair and Berlusconi have longer articles. This article is longer than those for Chirac, Hu Jintao, Putin, Merkel or Koizumi. With all due respect to Thailand, I don't think any one would argue that it is the 4th most important country in the world, or Thaksin a more important figure than Hu Jintao or Putin. The reason this article is so long is that Patiwat keeps writing more and more and more material. At my urging we have already created two spin-off articles, Policies of the Thaksin government and Thailand political crisis 2005-2006. If these three articles are taken together, there is probably more material at Wikipedia about Thaksin than about any current national leader except Bush. Yet still the article keeps growing. I admire Patiwat's industry, but this article is now as big as it needs to be, and Patiwat should stop writing more and more detailed coverage of Thaksin's policies in every conceivable area. Adam 10:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Length of article

message: He is Chinese. Why Chinese are allowed to run foreign country???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.129.8.205 (talk) 03:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He's 15/16ths Thai, 1/16th Chinese. Jim Michael (talk) 16:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Being born in Thailand doesn't necessarily mean you gain Thai nationality. But to the best of my knowledge Thaksin S. is a Thai national.TheHamburger (talk) 07:24, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  He is not Thai 

message: As the above comment indicates, the passionate are out in force again. Thanks for semi-protecting it. Even so, could those who wish to fulminate about the April 2009 protests please do that in the relevant section, right down at the bottom, now headed "self-imposed exile", and not in the introduction, where it doesn't belong (I've removed most of the addition for now). A lot of people have put some effort into tidying up the article, so perhaps as a matter of courtesy if nothing else, please scan the headings before unleashing the force of your rhetoric upon the stunned masses. Ideally the intro should I think be framed on the average laptop screen without scrolling: see the Winston Churchill entry as a good model (and by all means help condense what there is already).Sartoresartus (talk) 03:39, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Thanks for your neutral suggestions. Ddave2425 (talk) 10:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: New edits

message: Excuse me! Why did anyone (whose past contributions only involve in the Thaksin's page) remove the paragraph about his involvement in the recent Bangkok riot? The protest is the most widely publicize (and searched for) issue at the moment. I don't care if you're naiive enough to belive that he simply want to 'give moral support' to the protesters, but what was said there was 100% facts, no opionion. Please bring it back immediately.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donny TH (talk • contribs) 10:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you were to make the huge effort to scroll down to the bottom of this page, you might find your answer there. Sartoresartus (talk) 17:48, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Ok, from your logic, perhaps there's too much details there, but being the event that recieve world-media attention, it certainly deserves a place in the introduction. I'll 'condense' the paragraph a little more. Donny TH (talk) 21:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Involvement in Thailand's red shirt riot

message: "Junta-appointed" is a significant term that needs to be retained.  Prior to the 2006 coup, numerous state agencies were established by the 1997 Constitution, e.g., the Constitutional Court, the Counter Corruption Committee.  The 2006 coup abrogated the 1997 Constitution and effectively eliminated those state agencies.  New agencies were established by the military government with somewhat similar names, e.g., Constitutional Tribunal, but had a completely different makeup as well as a legal context different from the 1997-2006 versions of the same agencies.  For example, there were specific rules about what the 1997-2006 Constitutional Court could rule on and how it could rule - those rules did not apply for the junta-appointed Constitutional Tribunal.  To be banned by the junta-appointed Constitutional Tribunal or have your assets frozen by the junta-appointed Asset Examination Committee was very different from having the same done by the 1997-2006 agencies.Patiwat (talk) 23:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Why "junta-appointed" is a significant term

message: This is a loaded question, and can only be addressed by strictly adhering to Wikipedia NPOV policies.  The reds have said that the blues provoked them with violence and that yellows set the precedent.  The yellows will have said that the reds caused it.  The short fact of the matter is that there were violent clashes between the UDD and government supporters.  Can't we just leave it at that in the intro?  The "he says this and she said that" detail can go in the article. Patiwat (talk) 23:27, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Who caused the April unrest?

message: Does Sondhi still own the A.times online? I think that organ is so discredited that there's no point using it as reference for owt. Sartoresartus (talk) 09:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Asia Times

message: The section entitled, "Deputy Prime Minister under Chavalit" says that the July ecomomic collapse came after Thaksin took office in August and suggests he was to blame.  Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but August comes after July. Duh.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.28.16.33 (talk) 05:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe you're reading the text wrong.  It means Thaskin took office in August soon after the economic collapse in July.  I've removed the word "soon" to make things clearer. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 12:43, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career chronology out of sequence in favor of specious speculation 

message: I think the one who wrote the verdict mistook some part with Thaksin's defence against the charge. You can see it from the reference he/she put in A summary of Dr Thaksin Shinawatra’s defence in the Supreme Court in the case to confiscate his assets, especially in the last 3 items. Please verify.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.24.117.101 (talk) 16:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verdict? 

message: Thaksin doesn't seem to be listed as a fugitive on the Interpol list.Interpol Thai nationals  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Surfing bird (talk • contribs) 13:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wanted by Interpol? 

message: Someone has already added his date of death to the article (now reverted), but Thaksin has apparently personally denied he's dead -  -- Boing! said Zebedee 21:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: which probably comes as a great disappointment to many Thais.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.122.96.212 (talk) 08:10, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Death rumours

message: I don't have the time to get involved in an edit war, but a quick scan reveals that some contributers here are fulminating nonsense.  For example Just because he was convicted of a crime in a Thai court does not mean he is guilty nor does this deserve more prominence than his role as a humanitarian. ... Thaksin supports one person, one vote democracy.
Totally wrong!  Thaksin is a convicted criminal, no sensible person would call him humanitarian except as sarcasm.
As to Thaksin's view of democracy, consider this:  one level where democracy here doesn't work too badly is at the local level: at least voters are personally acquainted with the candidates.  Yet when P.M., Thaksin proposed that he appoint village headmen and subdistrict kamnans because, in his words, democracy doesn't work at the local level.
Foreign media has conveyed many misconceptions about Thai politics.  Let's not compound that here at Wikipedia.Jamesdowallen (talk) 08:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. I agree that personal analysis and judgment from either side should not be there (and I also agree that the complexities of Thai politics have been greatly over-simplified and often misrepresented by foreign media), but I don't see what we can do other than revert POV additions whenever we see them. I've had this page watched for some time, and I really don't see a high level of additions of such material - and the whole thing generally seems reasonably balanced to me -- Boing! said Zebedee 09:10, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Bullshit

message: Editor IheartThailand has several times removed the word "politician" from the lead, claiming that Thaksin is no longer a politician. I disagree, as his role in politics is precisely what he is best known for. Even if he doesn't hold an official government or opposition role, that is only because he was driven out of it by a military coup and a prosecution that has bitterly divided the country. Thaksin is still the de facto of leader of the Thai opposition, and addresses large political rallies by way of satellite communication - and I doubt there is a single person in Thailand who thinks his political activity is in the past. It is important for Wikipedia to stay neutral, and adopt neither a pro nor anti-Thaksin stance, and neither a pro nor anti-monarchy stance regarding Thai politics. So, I bring it here to see what the consensus says - and I note that User:Frank appears to agree with me, and has also reverted IheartThailand's removal of the word "politician". Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politician? 

message: Quote here http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2006/04/06/thaksin-resigns clearly states that Thaksin resigned as PM on 6/4/06. Therefore he cannot been ousted as PM by the Coup, but only as party leader. Unless, of course, he had un-resigned. The Coup didn't take place until September of that year. Comments invited.Sushisurprise (talk) 13:44, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resignation or not 

message: The Criticism section contains a number of unsourced allegations, which I have tagged as needing citations. Whether or not they are true, WP:BLP policy requires that we do not host unsourced negative allegations against living persons. So unless these are sourced fairly soon, they will need to be removed -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:00, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced allegations 

message: Oh this article gets almost amusing: his war on drugs was all about getting his dealers to offer suckers looking for 1g to go for 20g at a super cut-rate price; they would be arrested within seconds of their purchase, but possession of 20g qualifies you as a dealer and it enabled Thaksin to present glowing statistics about the number of dealers sentenced to 1g 	
And speaking of Thaksin without speaking of Temasek is speaking of the Pope without mentioning Catholicism.
--Arthur Borges 14:24, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved from article 

message: Where does he live now? YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 19:38, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Residence 

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"In a November 2009 interview, Thaksin told The Times that he was living in Dubai, still had access to about $100 million of his money outside of Thailand, and was investing in gold mines, diamond polishing and lottery licenses in various countries." 
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Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:14, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources that are no longer online are allowed on Wikipedia, unsourced content not. I replaced the dead link though.--Farang Rak Tham  (Talk) 20:07, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I couldn't find a replacement. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:10, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
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message: That this is rated as a B-class article demonstrates how worthless classification of articles is. Seligne (talk) 12:53, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The rating was given before C-class existed. Feel free to change it. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:26, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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message: I removed the following from the War on Drugs section:
*Thaksin initiated several highly controversial policies to counter a perceived boom in the Thai drug market, particularly in methamphetamine. Earlier policies like border blocking (most methamphetamine is produced in Myanmar), education, sports, and promoting peer pressure had proved ineffective. In a 4 December 2002 speech on the eve of his birthday, King Bhumibol noted the rise in drug use and called for a "War on Drugs." Privy Councillor Phichit Kunlawanit called on the government to use its majority in parliament to establish a special court to deal with drug dealers, stating that "if we execute 60,000 the land will rise and our descendants will escape bad karma".Michael K. Connors, Ambivalent About Rights: "Accidental" Killing Machines, Democracy and Coups D’etat., Draft paper presented to Human Rights in Asia Workshop, University of Melbourne, 1–2 October 2009.
*The government went out of its way to publicise the campaign, through daily announcements of arrest, seizure, and death statistics. According to the Narcotics Control Board, the policy was effective in reducing drug consumption, especially in schools, by increasing the market price.
*As of the August 2011 parliamentary elections, Abhisit's investigation failed to find or publicise any conclusive evidence linking Thaksin or members of his Government to any extrajudicial killings. zzz (talk) 14:44, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
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message: Who is Kasit?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.85.118 (talk) 03:37, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Kasit? 

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message: Thaksin is jailed at Bangkok Remand Prison, not Klong Prem Central Prison. Just wanted to point it out. Sources: 1, 2, 3 DylanDoesWiki (talk) 14:38, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. While the facilities are technically separate, they're part of the same complex, so sources sometimes refer to them interchangeably (if inaccurately). I've redirected the title for now, though it will need some sorting out. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:11, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thailand's ex-PM Thaksin to serve 8 years in jail - court statement
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/thailands-ex-pm-thaksin-serve-8-years-jail-court-statement-2023-08-22/49.228.35.238 (talk) 20:18, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong jail 

message: Hi all, it seems a bit odd to me that Thaksin Shinawatra's entry into politics is a separate article from this one. This article is certainly on the long side, so I can see the argument for a WP:SIZESPLIT, but I don't think the "entry into politics" section of his article is extensive enough to be a useful split target. To that end, I think it would be worth merging the "entry into politics" article back into here. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe this should be a discussion about how best to structure coverage on Thakain's political career aside from his premiership, which already has its own article. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I just took a somewhat deeper dive into the article histories. As things stand now, Thaksin Shinawatra's entry into politics is almost identical to the "Entry into politics" section of this very article, with much of the text repeated nearly or exactly verbatim between the two locations. Looking at the page history of the two articles, it appears that a user created the "entry into politics" page in 2007 by cutting and pasting the relevant section of Thaksin's main article; another user subsequently reverted the removal of that content from the main article, leading to identical text being duplicated across two articles, and in the ensuing sixteen years, both versions of the text have diverged from each other in only minor ways.While I can certainly see a case in general for the existence of a standalone article on Thaksin's early political career, the tangled and redundant nature of this particular situation leads me to believe that a merge is the best solution here. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 18:18, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for looking into it. In that case that page can probably be redirected here until someone wants to attempt a proper reorganisation (in which case, I'm thiking a Political career of Thaksin Shinawatra would be more natural.) --Paul_012 (talk) 06:59, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for carrying out the redirect! I agree with your thinking that Political career of Thaksin Shinawatra would be the ideal title for a new split-out article, if/when someone tries their hand at it. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal