Talk:Leo Prime (Beast Wars)

message: I think, perhaps, with the up and coming Ascending series, maybe we could afford to give Leo Prime a new image, instead of the screen capture from the BWII movie.  Maybe we could use the cover image featuring him with Razorbeast, or just the one of him with all of the Maximal protoforms, as they are most likely about to become his new recruits.  Or even the cover from The Gathering which shows him jumping and transforming.  It seems appropriate considering that the image that is being used is prominently featuring Optimus Primal and even has a subtitle of running across the bottom that is actually a line spoken by Primal.  Just a thought.--TriPredRavage 02:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: + :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.  
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+ The result of the proposal was no consensus. --TriPredRavage 13:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to LioConvoy (October 2007)

message: I'm curious where this statement is coming from.  Leo Prime appears to have been released in the Classics line, his packaging is identical to the other classics toys.
When has Hasbro said Leo Prime is not part of the Classics toyline?  (This sounds like bullshit, the equivalent of claiming that Cryotek was not a Robots in Disguise toy.) Citation please. -Deriksmith 02:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Leo Prime showed up in Don Figueroa's big Classics lithograph that was sold at BotCon 2007.  So.  --68.250.179.231 03:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a vague reference to the fact that the Classics LoC packaging doesn't actually have the "Classics" moniker on it anywhere.  71.60.161.100 (talk) 05:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Not Strictly a Classics Toy?" 

message: I don'r eeally understand all the agitation over the use of "American" name. Why can't we use the original names? Just like Optimus Prime's original name is Optimus Prime, Leo Convoy's original name is Leo Convoy.
Of course it probably would get a little confusing in the case of the Unicron trilogy (prior to which none of the Japan-made stuff made it into english-speaking territories, at least officially, so it isn't so much of a problem there), because although technically they were made in Japan, the english names are probably considered more "mainstream"...
...although it's still a lot less stupid than suddenly changing the wiki entry entirely because of a Hasbro toy suddenly popping up after having been "Leo Convoy" for years. It's almost as bad as deciding Unicron is suddenly a decepticon because he came in a packaging with decepticon sigil... 84.250.41.125 (talk) 17:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The basic Wikipedia naming policy is not "name in English" but "best known name used by English speakers". So where a name incorporated from the native language is far more widespread than an alternative originating in English it should be the former not the latter used. In my experience the character is far better known as "Lio Convoy" amongst English speaking fans and is also what the original toy was sold as by Hasbro in the US market. Note also we have Ginrai as "Ginrai" and not "Optimus Prime (Transformers: Super-God Masterforce)" even though he's called "Optimus Prime" in the English dub of the cartoon. Timrollpickering (talk) 21:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about the ''original'' name? 

message: Honestly Lio Convoy and Leo Prime seem to be as different characters as Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal. He would need 2 different pages. One for each. Mathewignash (talk) 00:52, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Two characters

message: Seriously?  Why, because LigerJack was a liger?  We even acknowledge Leobreaker as a lion, not a liger.  Considering that Leo is Greek for lion and his name is not "Liger Prime", I think the alt-mode listing should be changed to Lion.--TriPredRavage (talk) 05:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Checked and the box doesn't mention what it is. Even his Hasbro page calls him a "beast". Hopefully the Voyager class toy will say something like "Lion Mode". Mathewignash (talk) 09:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Semi-related note: LioConvoy's IDW pre-Earth beast mode appears to be based on the Zoids Liger Zero. So yeah.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.127.64 (talk) 17:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, that's a moot point considering the undiscussed and anaproved seperation of Lio Convoy and Leo Prime.  And even then, Liger Zero didn't have tank treds on the back of his legs.  So, it doesn't really matter what inspires Lio Convoy at all, it (currently) has nothing to do with Leo Prime.--TriPredRavage (talk) 02:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Liger?

message: Is there any chance we could get a picture of his pre-Earth body from the Beast Wars II animated series?  It would be nice to have along with his pre-Earth design from IDW.  There's one on the Transformers Wiki, but I'm unsure of the issues and rights that go along with picture uploading.  I'd be willing to capture a screen shot as well, but again, I'm unsure of the issues and rights that go along with picture uploading. --TriPredRavage (talk) 19:33, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no problem with getting pictures uploaded, the problem lies in the number of non-free (copywritten) pictures we use per article. The more of them we place on a page, the more the self-appointed picture-police of Wikipedia are likely to show up and suggest we remove the excess pictures. Maybe I can add in a montage of pictures of Lio Convoy as a single image? Mathewignash (talk) 19:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I just think it would be interesting to have a comparative picture of the BWII pre-Earth to the IDW version.  If you want to do said montage, I'd say putting those two pictures next to one another would be most effective.--TriPredRavage (talk) 19:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pre-Earth

message: * Move to Leo Prime, in accordance with the Google searches above, and in the absence of any terribly relevant discussion above. Andrewa (talk) 03:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternative proposal

message: I've removed the text is the name of from the lead sentence. Pedantically, it wasn't just redundant, but wrong. Lio Prime is the character; "Lio Prime" is the name of the character. The emphasis in the lead is our standard format and does not constitute what logicians call display (and the italics in this post all do, for those who care about such things). Andrewa (talk) 19:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundant text

message: So after yesterday's whole event, I would like to remind/inform everybody that this debate had been decided on in the past on the Transformers Wikiproject page, which can be seen  here.  The name should be Leo Prime as had been decided upon before.  The article was moved to Lio Prime in error, and the article should have been reverted to that name after the faulty edit, rather than this entire debate opening up again. So, I would like to again propose the move to Leo Prime, as we had not yet reached a concensus prior to yesterday's events, and because this debate has been carried about before and had been decided in favor of the name Leo Prime --TriPredRavage (talk) 13:07, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The above is still another sock, duly reported to admins for processing. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:33, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested Move 2011 Part 2

message: In case it helps:
*Leo Prime: 109,000
*Lio Convoy: 84,400
SlimVirgin TALK|CONTRIBS 12:28, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Google hits

message: In the last US comic book appearance of the character, by IDW Comics, he was called Lio Convoy. So it's his CURRENT name in ENGLISH SPEAKING fiction. http://books.google.com/books?id=8wPl8cJ_y-EC&pg=RA1-PA82&dq=Lio+Convoy&hl=en&ei=c79fTeHnJsihtwetvZDdCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Lio%20Convoy&f=false Mathewignash (talk) 13:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is incorrect.  The sourcebook was published in 2007.  The current use is Leo Prime as stated in the character biographies on the toys' boxes, which were produced in 2009.  To discredit the toy bios as fiction is foolish, as they acknowledge the comic book fiction in question and also expand upon it by solidifing the character's existence in the English Beast Wars timeline. Therefore, the most current and recent English speaking fiction is the toy's bio. --TriPredRavage (talk) 14:56, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Current use

message: Do we really need the Manga section?  Or rather, do we need the text that's in it?  All that's there is one chapter from the Manga, and it's not even a chapter that has really anything to do with Leo Prime at all. It just seems unnecessary all together, honestly. While I do think having a Manga section is important, if we don't have anything that actually has to do specifically with the character, we may want to consider removing it, or revising it.  --TriPredRavage (talk) 14:53, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Manga

message: <S>Do we have a source saying Lio Convoy and Leo Prime are the same? All I've seen so far is stuff that can be interpreted in a number of ways. YourDefiance (talk) 20:10, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What ID or ID's did you used to edit under? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: <S>I could easily ask you the same thing. You joined on 19 May 2007. Within half an hour you were using edit summaries such as "rvv". The next day, you were uploading properly licensed images. Quack quack, anyone?YourDefiance (talk) 13:42, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I began under a different user ID a couple of years earlier, which you can easily figure out if you try. So back to you: What previous ID or ID's have you edited under? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: <S>I did not edit under any ID's other than this one, but I have been following Wikipedia for some time now. It does not take a genius to find out about the policies. YourDefiance (talk) 14:16, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seriously though 

message: So...does anyone think that there's enough Lio Convoy/Leo Prime media out there that he merits his own article again?OptimusMagnus (talk) 03:35, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate Page