Talk:Voiced uvular trill

message: The rolled 'r' in the audio reference of the article is rather "breathy", if you understand what I mean. Is there a native Russian or Spanish speaker who can provide a really good sample? I would do it myself, but I must admit that as a native English speaker, my rolled 'r' is rather breathy too.
:Sorry, I got this mixed up with Alveolar trill. Sounds perfect! --TheNationalist 13:21, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio reference used in article 

message: It's not just in Russian and Polish. I have exactly the same speech defect in my native Bulgarian language (which normally has the alvolar trill), and many Bulgarians have it (including two of the country's recent Prime Ministers!). In Norwegian, in each community where the native dialect generally has alveolar /r/, there are a couple of individuals who develop the uvular /R/. I learnt that from a Norwegian linguist who gave a talk at our university. (I should be able to find the handout if necessary). A Turk told me that occurred among Turkish speakers, too. So this seems to be a phenomenon that occurs generally in languages with alveolar r.--85.187.44.131 17:40, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not hard at all. One must simply learn IPA and understand some basic phonetics. --2.245.238.184 (talk) 14:08, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

text: So that "mispronounced" alveolar trill is a coarticulated sound? Like /ɹ͡ʀ/? I am a Green Bee (talk) 19:47, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uvular R in Russian and Polish 

message: Being a native of Sölvesborg, Sweden, I can with quite some certainty say that we, or at least as far as I perceive it, pronouce our R:s as uvular trills. It's a regional thing and I think it's a part of the West Blekingian dialect. The Swedish down here is rather varied, first most of the people here speak West Blekingian (I think), then we live just a short bit for Scania, were people use uvular fricatives instead, and just above the so-called Listerlandet, were many dialect varieties use alveolar trills. All of these are regoional variations of the standard language, for Standard Swedish and/or Stockholm Swedish use alveolar taps, or at least that's what I hear. I'm just curious as to why there aren't any Swedish examples in neither this article, nor the one about uvular fricatives, 'cause they are very much present.
I don't have any sources to quote, sadly, but I'm quite sure there are some out there. If television can be of any help, SVT (Sverige Television) ran a series called Svenska Dialektmysterier or "Swedish Dialect Mysteries", there I'm sure they point out the differences. Nederbörd (talk) 20:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the examples are uncited anyway.  At some point we'll get stricter with the examples, but until then I don't see too much of a problem with another uncited example.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 23:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage in Swedish 

message: I realise that this has been discussed at some length, but I think it would be appropriate to include German in the list of languages, even if we must add the proviso that the uvular trill is a feature of conservative speech.  Even on Wikipedia this sound is often used in transcriptions of German.  It was recently added to Angela Merkel, for example, and was used in the main German language page until I changed it to the fricative. Lfh (talk) 18:16, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  In German 

message: The article contained completely unsupported claims about 1) the uvular trill originating in French, 2) spreading to most other northern European languages, and 3) continued existence in a large list of languages and dialects. The paragraph then goes on to undermine this by pointing out that in many of these languages the uvular fricative is the more common realization. Phonemic inventories for these northern European languages do not support the claims 2) and 3) above. If someone has citations in reliable, peer-reviewed publications that support these claims, then please give them and undo my edits. Interlingua 15:05, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Probably would've saved you some work if you just fact tagged it.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 01:37, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Interlingua 12:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideas about "originating in French and spreading" that are unsourced and incorrect original research 

message: Unfortunately I lack the dialectology data to improve it. Be aware that, except for Italy, it doesn't show the state of the end of the 20th century at all; it shows the state of the middle of the 20th century. Outside of Switzerland and upland Bavaria, there's hardly any German variety with [r] left; and finding a French variety with [r] anywhere in Europe must be really hard. You can actually see a hint of this in the map: following a source from 1999, the French-speaking and the German-speaking parts of Italy are both marked as having [ʀ] general. I don't know where the isogloss between [ʀ ~ ʁ] and [ɹ] is in the Netherlands, but I doubt there's a lot of [r] left; the Flemings, though, keep [r].
Myself, I'm a second-generation obligatory user of [ʀ], born and bred in Linz in Upper Austria and a native speaker of the regional dialect. I find any kind of [r] pretty hard to pronounce, even though I'm not physically incapable of it as some people are.
David Ma[ʀ]janović (talk) 21:50, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The map 

message: Is this the Perry the Platypus sound from Phineas and Ferb? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imSiXiqtMS0) 𝕎𝕚𝕜𝕚𝕎𝕒𝕣𝕣𝕚𝕠𝕣𝟡𝟡𝟙𝟡 (talk) 12:11, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perry the Platypus