Talk:Conservative Punk

message: This article survived an Articles for Deletion debate. The discussion can be found here. -Splashtalk 03:10, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles for Deletion debate

message: I think this has to be rewritten as an article on the movement, not a website. - Randwicked 03:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No-one? Okay, I'll do it, but beware because I care neither for conservatism nor punk. - Randwicked 15:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

text: *This article still deserves to be deleted.  Rather than being about a non-notable website it's about a non-existant subculture based around a non-notable website.Tombride 17:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Actually, it deserves to be deleted more now than when it was just about the website.Tombride 17:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree entirely. This amounts to the equivalent of saying there is a "Punk Voter" subculture of punk. It's a website, sure, that talks about a political category laid over a social one (people who are both conservative and punk), but the two have no special meaning in conjunction. I could say Libertarian punk, Republican punk, Constitutionalist punk, but none of these have special meaning (unlike, say, anarcho-punk, which is a particular social subgroup). The article reads like a debate (or at least one side of it), and isn't linked to any social movement except that tied to the website, which was just a reactionary jab at Punk Voter anyway. Not to mention (like I've said), I see the article as something full of broad (and generally incorrect or meaningless) generalizations, mixed with unencyclopedic and non-NPOV claims.149.43.x.x 17:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

text: No, not really.  There are people who self identify as punk who are conservative, but it's not a label I've head people apply to any band, record label, or anything for that matter.  It has nothing to do with straight edge, unless you consider the hardline scene of the mid 90's, but that was so far removed from punk that it doesn't really count.Tombride 06:22, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The hardliner movement was more of a Abrahamic religious movement, not much to do with right wing politics really. The Conservative Punk founder is a self professed Republitarian, and it is more about economically right-wing views than socially restrictive ones. The Conservative Punk site has a list somewhere of "conservative punk" bands and record labels. Nagelfar 22:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have three points in response. (1) Abrahamic religious momement has nothing to do with right wing politics? Have you read the newspaper lately? Today's conservativism is in no small way controlled by religious interests, especially evangelical and fundamentalist ones. (2) He may say he's "republitarian" but his website has articles/followers that show other, more un-punk if you would, attitudes. (3) Don't mix up punk-style music/bands/labels with the beliefs that define and shape the punk subculture. I could play reggae music about hating black people, that doesn't make me a Rasta (certainly not).149.43.x.x 13:35, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: AfD 

message: I feel like this article overlooks some pretty clear points that could (and should?) be included as responses to the views of conservative punks that are expressed here. I don't think it's entirely out of line to expect that the article on conservative punk would have conservative punks' general response to other punks along with the corresponding response. For example, it says, "They even argue that as these values become more mainstream, conservatism becomes more punk, not less. They even goes as far as saying left wing punks are becoming what punk was a reaction against: hippies." Why not point out that the punk response to this is that punk isn't just anti-hippy and that punk ideals sit firmly on one side of certain issues? Or when it notes that conservative punks are pro-individualism, shouldn't we point out that plenty of non-conservative punks are too? Individualism is not a conservative ideal, not exclusively, and especially not in this sort of a context.
:I just realized I forgot to sign that last comment 149.43.x.x 14:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV? 

message: Unlike in this article, Michale Graves is listed as the founder of "Conservative Punk" on his respective page. Please address this contradiction by citing sources and making appropriate edits where necessary. Thank you! CessationLeakingThrough (talk) 02:22, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction

message: Wait. What?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.215.122.16 (talk) 19:18, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Conservative Punk"