Talk:Supersymmetry

message: I know very little about SUSY, but this article needs serious reorganization, so I'm trying it. I think the Motivation and SSM sections need the most work; they contain redundant information organized poorly. Some of the sections of this article could be spun off into their own articles. I've ripped out the following stuff, which appears to be irrelevant trivia; if it's important, then it should be expanded upon.
:In June 1976, the two researchers famously met at Fenway Park and combined their ideas, yielding the notorious "Fenway Thesis."
:ATLAS and CMS detectors will be used in this apparatus.
Joshuardavis 14:16, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision of 24 Feb 2006 

message: In the coupling constants section it seems like it would be worthwhile to add the graphs that show how SUSY fixes the problem of the SM coupling constants not meeting at higher energies.  Every talk that I see on SUSY usually includes this, and it is by no means technical.  --Zekemurdock 22:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding graphs to the Coupling Constants Section 

message: This morning, I read an article in the New Yorker about wikipedia, and immediately felt compelled to read up on a subject I happen to know a few things about, namely SUSY.  I couldn't help but get involved in editing even on my first experience.  
Who the h*** (choose your own expletive!) are "Jonathan I Segal of MIT" and "Daniel Laufferty of Tufts"?  A search on Google draws a blank on either, and my own memory of writing a computerized bibliography of the subject in the summer of 1982 also draws a blank.  That bibliography contained the closure of the coset of all articles with Wess or Zumino as a co-author, plus all articles with "super[-]symmetry" in the title under the operations "refer to" or "be referred by", and contained even then several thousand papers.
I corrected the attributions in the second paragraph to my best knowledge.
--81.179.10.85 14:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Credit where Credit belongs 

message: I've been eyeing this article a long while and I have been trying to have a plan of attack for it.   The major problem with it was that it was a kitchen sink approach to writing.    Supersymmetry is a huge topic and not everything can be covered in full depth in the main article.  Many other articles have been written on supersymmetry and this article should be a jumping off point to the other more complete articles.   There was a lot of disconnected points throughout the article.  I have attempted to organise the page into a more logical flow.  I have attempted to shorten the subsections by trying to remove the technicalia and hope that the reference articles will take care of that for interested parties.  
I also felt it was terribly strange to have CDMS be the visual image for supersymmetry.  Everyone I know finds this almost inappropriate -- a nice picture, but not directly related to supersymmetry (as CDMS could find something and have it not be supersymmetry).  
The g-2 of the muon is not considered a hint for supersymmetry by the vast majority of the physics community (though not all) -- it's less than 3 sigma off.
I have added a bit aboout extended supersymmetry (which could be expanded upon).  This was strangely absent IMHO  (it wasn't even referred to).  
I have also added a subsection for susy in other dimensions which should be filled in with a little detail and probably referred off to another article.
I have attempted to make this neutral and fact driven.  
~~ jay 02:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 Oct 2006 Rewrite 

message: As much as I would like it to be true, B_s mixing does not point to new physics (despite media reports otherwise).  
There are a tonnes of 3 sigma deviations that eventually go away, and this is not even at that level.  While it is not inconsistent with the MSSM, it does not give evidence for it.  This article would be completely unwieldily if every ambiguous experimental result was put in this article.    jay 13:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  B_s Mixing is Consistent with the Standard Model 

message: Can someone help develop the above article as it pertains to Supersymmetry?--Ludvikus 01:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hyperbolic extension]] 

message: ... 'but the ground state of the theory does not respect the symmetry and supersymmetry is broken spontaneously'
am I reading it correct as 'but *if* the ground state of the theory does not respect the symmetry and supersymmetry *this* is broken spontaneously'
or
... 'but the ground state of the theory does not respect the symmetry *,* and *thus* supersymmetry is broken spontaneously'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.30.31.182 (talk) 20:48, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading? 

message: I removed a mention of a supersymmetry representation called "Adinkras" from the article on the West African Adinkra symbols, but the removal was reverted. From my searching these physics "adinkras" have gained little outside attention, but people here might know better. I don't think this physics concept belongs at all in an article on a protoscript - can anyone suggest a better article for that content, to which a hatnote or other short note could point? Fences&Windows 21:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Adinkra]]s 

message: There is no clear explanation on how exactly (super)string theories require supersymmetry, only "For string theory to be consistent, supersymmetry appears to be required at some level (although it may be a strongly broken symmetry)." Someone please help clarify this point or add a high-quality citation source. Mastertek (talk) 04:22, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This point is covered in textbooks on string theory (for example this free one by David Tong) and probably also the wiki article on string theory. The most glaring reason is that bosonic string theory has tachyons and (seems to) lack any stable ground state. Going into it would be beyond the scope of the susy article. Isocliff (talk) 11:10, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requirement of Supersymmetry in (Super)String theories 

message: At the moment we have a "Current limits" section - I would favour the title "Current Status". I also suggest that the "Failure of the Large Hadron Collider to confirm supersymmetry" is removed. It is redundant; there is a more detailed discussion in the preceding "Current limits" section.
Perhaps "Current Status of SUSY" merits its own page; it is a multi-faceted topic, including astro, Higgs, collider and low-energy physics? In any case, I suggest that the section needs more work. It doesn't mention, amongst other things, Bs->mu mu or the potential exclusion/discovery at root(s)=14 TeV, and the information on direct SUSY searches looks slightly out of date. 
I'm aware that keeping this page up-to-date could be tricky and that the status of SUSY is a controversial topic.
I'm also aware that it might be a little technical, and perhaps needs to be summarised for a general reader.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lioinnisfree (talk • contribs) 01:49, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the suggestions. You're welcome to edit the article. Just be aware that editors are supposed to reference all the information that they add. TimidGuy (talk) 21:44, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current limits 

message: The two sentences regarding the observations indicating supersymmetry failure were all generated only by a persistent blocked editor, who has had a record for misinterpreting sources.  Although this edit doesn't appear to be related to any ideological bias, it should be added only if an unblocked editor confirms the sources and interpretation.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 13:18, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I wrote one of those sentences and edited the other. I can confirm the sources and interpretation. The IP editor just added BBC to the ref as far as I can see. Bhny (talk) 14:33, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failure 

message: More details can be found at the WikiProject Physics talk page. The elegant SUSY has become an overgrown monster article.  Alma (talk) 17:38, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attention from an expert nomination 

message: I feel this aricle would benefit by somewhere listing the names of the superpartners of the non-SUSY bosons, and showing the correspondence between the bosons of the Standard Model + gravity and SUSY.  70.247.175.236 (talk) 22:42, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superpartners to Bosons 

message: I think the current status section needs a tidy up and update in light of more LHC data. 
It should be made clear that particular models eg MSSM are under constraint, rather than supersymmetry in general. It should be made clear that DM experiments constrain SUSY iff DM is assumed to be eg LSP.
The naturalness argument should be made clearer. SUSY could be near the Planck scale, it doesn't have to solve the hierarchy problem, some SUSY is better than no SUSY! Although of course hierarchy favors light sparticlea.
It should say SUSY itself without extra assumptions could only be checked by looking at whole spectrum of fermions and bosons up to the Planck scale.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.233.96.136 (talk) 19:24, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I edited the intro a bit to help imply this. I tried to be fair... KagakuKyouju (talk) 22:18, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  current status rewrite 

message: In the "Motivations" section of the article, there is a claim that supersymmetry "provides a natural mechanism for electroweak symmetry breaking." However, I'm pretty sure the Higgs mechanism explains electroweak symmetry breaking entirely independently of supersymmetry. There is the remaining question of why electroweak symmetry is broken at such a "low" scale (compared to GUTs, etc), but this is thoroughly covered by the short summary of the hierarchy problem in the same section. I'm going to put a citation needed tag up for now, and unless someone can provide some references, I think this sentence should probably be removed in the near future. Natsirtguy (talk) 18:28, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim about EWSB under "Motivations" 

message: here is the complete citation for the "CMS Collaboration" paper, with over 2000 authors.  note that the journal just displays 'CMS Collaboration + first author + et al', we should do the same?
198.102.153.2 (talk) 23:53, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  CMS Collaboration 

message: Shouldn't the first sentence not explicitly say that SUSY is a hypothesized physical
theory?
It is very hard these days for a non expert to clearly draw the line between an observed
model and a hypothesized theory. This is curious because the decision criteria is very simple:
At least a confirmed observation and no observed contradiction.
The German article explicitly says this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.120.62.102 (talk) 15:46, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hypothesized  Theory 

message: Do we actually have any verifiable primary sources that state in the final paragraph of the lead the fact that "supersymmetry can comfortably fit into energies as high as 100-300 GeV for the higgsino, and up to 3 TeV and 5 TeV for the top squark and gluino respectively", and/or similar statements in the final paragraph of this article? Because to me it seems to be a whole lot of WP:OR. If not, I'll delete the statements because of WP:OR 130.126.255.11 (talk) 21:17, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for possible Higgsino/Gluino/Top Squark energies? 

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message: I have a BS in Physics and the most recent theories in the field are quite frankly still very blurry to me.   I am assuming that as an Encyclopedia, articles like this should at least make sense to the general reader in the summary that opens the article.  In my opinion, a person that can read this article and can understand any of it it has no reason to read this article.  I think I can safely say that most people would find the definition of supersymetry in this article to be totally incomprehensable.  I have read that because of supersymetry physicists can deduce the existance of particles not yeat discovered, that through supersymetry the unification fo the 4 fundimental forces is possible, or that because of supersymetry there are 11 dimensions or so.  This is off the top of my head, so there is a good possiblity I have said something incredibly dumb.  But my point is, supersymetry appears all over the place- if the article could perhaps list the problems it solves- perhaps the ones I mentioned, maybe not, and explain how the theory can do this in these specifice instances, the general reader might get a better grasp of what it is.  It would help the general public, and also the lesser physics students that probably exist like (ahem) me.  As I would see a more ideal article, the first half anyone could read, the second half, all the super brains can have at it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:A0B0:1E70:1DB4:E5E1:3D5A:98A8 (talk) 00:04, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help 

message: The article says that there are applications outside physics, including finance - but then a note has been inserted asking for citation(s).  I'm an investment banker and a CPA, and I don't believe that.  NEVER heard of that.  I think it is nonsense and made-up.  I ask for at least one citation - if we are not given one, then I support removing this reference to it being applicable to finance.  I think it is laughable.  And if supersymmetry is applicable to finance, then you would at least think that Einstein's basic theory of relativity would be applicable - never heard of that either.  Duh.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.127.73 (talk) 19:51, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Applications in finance???  I don't believe it.