Talk:Smallville season 5

message: Hey everybody!
I've been off for a while, but now I'm back to update the recent Smallville episodes. To my surprise, lots of Smallville fans are working now on the page, which I'm glad of since that was the objective when I rescued this article back in september 2005.
Every Smallville fan knows that the upcoming episodes will be crucial for the entire story, and so, spoilers at this point would be fatal and may ruin the whole plot for everyone interested in this Wikipedia article.
So, just in order to keep the story with its fully emotions to every single Smallville fan, I've suggested that we DO NOT publish the summary of upcoming episodes until they have already aired.
Eventually, the deleted summaries will return since we have a backup, that work won't be lost.
--Charlie144 12:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, no one "owns" articles on Wikipedia.  You can review Wikipedia:Ownership of articles for further details.  The guidelines specifically states that: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it. " --Madchester 06:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About major spoiling during Season 5 

message: There's nothing wrong with spoilers.  As long as the details come from a reliable source and/or are verifiable, all an editor has to do is use the spoiler-tag to warn readers.  For The Amazing Race articles, editors there use a special spoiler tag to indicate details from unaired episodes (i.e., The Amazing Race 9). 
If you have any inquiries about spoilers, feel free to drop me a message.  I've been involved in similar discussions/debates about spoilers in the past. --Madchester 06:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well actually, that's the point of that specific spoiler tag.  There's some users/editors that don't like reading spoilers of upcoming episodes that have yet to be aired.  Over on the Amazing Race pages, editors move the tag weekly, so that information of completed and unaired legs are seperated from one another. That way you can appease both the spoiler and non-spoiler audience. --Madchester 09:35, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding spoilers

message: *should we put in there who actually dies?? I think not cause it would really take away from the episode. That is more than just a spoiler, that is a major bit of information.Bignole 02:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Put the information up!! Im not a big fan of the show but when i came to wikipedia i expected to find the information, WHY? cause this is a factual encyclopedia! Now I have to go to another site just to find something that should have been left up there. Remeber this is not a fansite, you dont choose whether fans dont want to see it or not, if this is a guide for shows then post the relevant information!! There is already a spoiler warning so people already know that there will be important information left up. Remeber none of you own this article, you report it as it is. Whoever died name should have been left there. Thanks alot. (212.219.97.7 13:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but it was decided that that was too much of a spoiler. This is not an official website for the show this is just a page that gives descriptions for each episode. If you want to know what happened then watch the show, it won't take long to realize that they are not there anymore. First, the way you put it in there isn't even a correct format. You cannot just put anything in an article anyway you like it. There are templates, formats, structures and you have to go by them. As for deciding what gets put on the page, yes, we do get to do that. That is why we have this TALK page, to decide what is relevant and what is not, and what should be left out. As I have been told many times, Wikipedia is not a Macropedia. The point is that it was decided by the editors of the page that devulging that information would be too much of a spoiler. The spoiler warning is for details that are spilled that you might not find out from a standard description. The reason we don't say who dies is because it would completely ruin the entire episode for the viewer and that is not what wikipedia is for. The way you put it up there it was like you knew we didn't want it up there and were blatantly placing it there with exclamation marks. Bignole 13:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I thought that people agreed not to put the spoiler before the episode aired.  Now that the episode has already aired, I see no reason why the information can't be put in the article.  It's pretty notable, and is necessary for things like comparing Smallville's canon to the comic book/movie canon, etcetera.  I think that now that the episode has already aired, it should stay in the article.  --DDG 17:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  I can see the point about canon, but it would seriously ruin the entire episode. There is more going on than just that one person's death and revealing it would take so much away from the show. People don't come to wikipedia to read what happened in an episode, they come here for statistical information, and brief descriptions (which get turned into novels by editors as soon as an episode airs). Bignole 17:45, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Most of these episodes need some rewriting in the plot, all the way back to the beginning seasons. I wouldn't worry about the allusions, because once the Allusion page is deleted (as it appears it will be) it will basically mean that even these ones on the season pages will need to go, because of their "original research" basis. Bignole 19:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reckoning

message: Please monitor the upcoming episodes information. Descriptions are being place, along with air dates, for episodes that have none of either. If there is not a website linked to verify where this information is coming from then it cannot be considered accurate. If you go to the external links, neither website talks about the "release of Zod" or what dates the April episodes will be released on. Bignole 03:36, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upcoming Episodes 

message: Two pictures on this page are clearly stolen from KryptonSite, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chloe_Tomb.JPG and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Clark-Victor-Cyborg.jpg. Open Chloe_Tomb.JPG in a new tab/window of your browser. Open this image in another. Compare. You can see that the Kryptonsite tag was replaced by a black border, the rest of the image is exactly the same. As for Clark-Victor-Cyborg.jpg, in the image history you can still see the Kryptonsite logo. Removing a logo does not remove a copyright. So, unless we get permission from KryptonSite, these pictures should be removed, correct? - Nights Not End 06:59, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright violations

message: Speaking of irrelevant data, why does an encyclopedia include all those quotes from the episodes? They're not informative as encyclopedic content. They're generally not of historical importance. They're stuff the fans find cool. Isn't a source like TV.com more appropriate?
For that matter, why does an encyclopedia have an episode guide? Wryspy 04:09, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes

message: I have just created an interwiki link from the entry on Aqua to the corresponding page I have just made on the Smallville Wikicity. One of the reasons for Wikicities is to allow for more information on specialist subjects which may not be appropriate for an encyclopedia. So while I dont think that each episode of Smallville deserves a page on Wikipedia, I do think that it is worthwile having a Wiki page where everyone can add information, more detailed synopsis, production information etc. It is the first time I have tried adding such a link for a TV series so let me know what people think --Amxitsa 22:55, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interwiki Link 

message: Ok, these picture wars have got to stop. We need to decide on a picture and keep it. This back and forth editing of each other's pictures is getting old. If a picture is put on the page and it is relevant, is a good quality (meaning that it is in focus and the contrast is good), it fits the size requirements set by the rest of the photos and it does not violate any copyrights then it should not be changed. If for some reason someone wishes to change/update a photo then they should come to the discussion board first and explain their reason for adjustment. Also, message the person that inserted the picture originally since they hold "ownership" (i use that term meaning the one to put a picture up first and not as in owns copyright) of that picture so that they can atleast discuss it with the other party. Bignole 03:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: I have updated all the episodes with the wikicities link. Follow the link to the appropriate page. Let's try and update these episodes there also. Wikicities is a place where we can put more information about each episode (i.e. songs, quotes, notable information) that way we do not overload wikipedia with information that could be considered more fanbase than encyclopedic. Bignole 17:45, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikicities 

message: I'm sorry to have to remove the quotes, as I really enjoyed reading over again and remembering the episode, but found out that wikipedia does not want quotations from tv, movies, or similar mediums on the pages. Please go here if you wish to add, read, or edit quotes from the seasons. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Smallville  Bignole 02:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with that. IMDb is a better place for it. --Buchanan-Hermit™..CONTRIBS..SPEAK! 02:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The wikiquote articles for Smallville could use some serious reworking. Even the page for Bill Hicks' quotes looks better. 75.2.17.151 02:19, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

text: That would be because no one has actually worked too hard on it. You can attribute to it. Bignole 03:01, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: I thought maybe we could change the Reckoning Poster at the top of the page to the newly released poster from the season finale, just a thought.
:: I don't know, because it is only going to get changed again once the DVD artwork comes out. Bignole 17:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reckoning Poster 

message: I know that Professor Milton Fine's identity as Brainiac is more than mere fan speculation; the publicity materials have been referring to James Marsters's character as Brainiac since before he even joined the show.  Still, I think it would be more appropriate to consistently refer to his character as "Fine" since the show has not once used the "Brainiac" name; referring to him as "Brainiac" just isn't an accurate reflection of what has happened on the show.
::I agree, that was why I changed the caption under the photo that used to say "Brainiac is Back!"Bignole 02:49, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we could call him "BrainIAC" if you don't like using "Fine"... just because he is a "Brain (I)nter(A)ctive (C)onstruct"--Torourkeus 03:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's called Fine, that's his name. When it comes to describing the events of the show, it should be FINE. Bignole 03:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brainiac/Fine 

message: All editors, please see discussion here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Smallville episodes Bignole 18:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season Pages or List of Episode (individual Ep pages) 

message: Perhaps the notes about JS and Chloe belong on the Allusions page.
Jordan Brown 19:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of these episodes need some rewriting in the plot, all the way back to the beginning seasons. I wouldn't worry about the allusions, because once the Allusion page is deleted (as it appears it will be) it will basically mean that even these ones on the season pages will need to go, because of their "original research" basis. Bignole 19:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I put us in a new section so it'a easier to find. Here is the problem, in truth, none of the allusions are "encyclopedic". The only rea encyclopedic information is the fact that the show has so many friggin' allusions in it. It's extremely fanbased, because even with an explaination most people, who aren't fans, won't know what it's talking about. I don't know how we could keep it and it not come under fire some time in the future. We will just end up bogging down the season pages, because there are so many of them. Bignole 14:13, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allusions 

message: I found a couple of CW episode guides equating Smallville characters with DC characters, so I tweaked the text a bit to make that linkage explicit and cited the episode guide as the source.  I did Bart Allen / The Flash and Arthur Curry / Aquaman, and I'll stop now so we can discuss it.
I like having those linkages explicit and out in the open, but some people think that it's WP:OR since there's no citable source... when we've got citable sources, heck, let's use 'em.
Jordan Brown 23:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not dismissing it, because when they advertised for those shows in The WB, it was "Aquaman comes to town", "The Flash comes to town" (But I have read CW descriptions that incorrectly labeled certain things in the episodes). I think since Bart has his own page, linking to him is best. I think finding some interview with the creators talking about "The Flash" coming to town would go well with "out of universe" content that could be added. Bignole 20:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equating Smallville characters with DC characters 

message: This and related Smallville pages under Wikiproject Superman will need to be updated because the project is merging with something else. Wryspy 19:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated with what? A new banner?   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 19:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hold on. I may have misunderstood. Disregard this for now, but watch our for the possible merge Wryspy 20:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiproject Superman