Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Episode lists/Archive 2

message: I just found this  template that makes it easier to create an episode list of Digimon episodes. Perhaps we should create more general templates that do this for Lists part of this project ? - The DJ 12:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey that's cool! We have to get one of these in place. I'd do it myself but don't know how able I will be in the coming months. Don't count on it. Volunteers please! --Will2k 03:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: K, I've looked at it some more. I have created Template:Television Episode. I encourage everyone to stop in and get this up to snuff. Right now, it is a direct copy of Digimon episode.--Will2k 03:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hey, that's a great idea.  Could we make it  instead, just to make it a little shorter, and easier to code?  I noticed that it currently doesn't exist, and I can't really think of any other area that would use this template...  Also, It will need a table top and bottom, right?  Say,  and .  We've done this with  for Olympic medalists, and it's a great way of side-stepping meta-templates.  tiZom(2¢) 06:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  For  we did the top and bottom manually (as shown in Template talk:Digimon episode), but making a template that could define what headers and columns to include per show would be pretty useful. In episodetop template one could define if the list was going to use an alternative name column, and stuff like that. -- Ned Scott 06:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  I chose Television Episode to avoid any conflicts. But we can change it I suppose. What do others think?--Will2k 05:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  Glad to hear the template has inspired others! I'll happily help out if I can. -- Ned Scott 06:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates 

message: Thinking about naming conventions and such, I think we should rename the project to WikiProject List of episodes. Episodes shouldn't be capitalized in the name, and we really don't need the word Television, since we can easily apply many of these same guidelines to radio episodes, webcasted episodes, straight to video episodes, etc. -- Ned Scott 10:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It will also help avoid confusion between us and WikiProject Television episodes. -- Ned Scott 01:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed new name for WikiProject List of Television Episodes 

message: I've created Template:Japanese episode list using the old Template:Digimon episode as a guide, and incorporating some new stuff from Template:Episode list.  The reason for a second template like this is I feel what makes these templates really useful is clearly labeled variables, such as "JapaneseTitle" instead of "AltTitle", and some unique formatting commonly found in Japanese (mostly anime) related list of episodes articles, such as "KanjiTitle".  I think eventually both templates will be merge-able, as I believe there is a variable trick where more than one label can equal the same variable.  In other words, you could use "AltTitle" or "JapaneseTitle" and it would work for the same variable on one template.  This will really be helpful for using the "Aux1" and "Aux2" variables found in Template:Episode list.  Although, like I stated before in Template talk:Episode list, it might be useful to have more than one template, for ease of use and to make it a less tempting target for vandals. Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 04:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Japanese episode list, seems to have caught on.  Shortly after I applied the template to some articles, I was surprised to see how fast images and descriptions were written up once people saw an option for them.  I think the idea of having a fill-out-able template will really help to build some lists of episodes. -- Ned Scott 07:34, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  second template in testing 

message: To help the Japanese version of the template take off I did a little bit of "advertising". I posted to applicable WikiProjects, as well as choose articles of new and popular animes to apply the template too, since they would be high in edit traffic and seen by many.  I think if we do something like this for the normal Template:Episode list, it too will take off very fast. -- Ned Scott 07:34, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spreading the templates 

message: Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team previously contacted you to identify the quality articles in your WikiProject, and now we need a few more favors. We would like you to identify the "key articles" from your project that should be included in a small CD release due to their importance, regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 0.5 and later versions.  Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please keep updating your Arts WikiProject article table for articles of high quality. If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist automatically for you, please contact us.  Please feel free to post your suggestions right here.  Thanks! Walkerma 06:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Key articles for Wikipedia 1.0 

message: I created  to replace the generic banner template that was being used.  Feel free to edit the descriptions and such.  Also, the to do list is now linked to the banner, like in other WikiProjects. Enjoy -- Ned Scott 23:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  created WikiProject Banner, WikiProject LOE 

message: While it makes perfect sense to have a separate list article for long-running series, like for example the Star Treks or The Avengers, I'm uncertain of the merits of having separate lists for short-lived shows. For example, see The Omega Factor which ran only 10 episodes, has a relatively short main article, but a separate episode list article. Personally I feel some of these shorter lists would be better served as part of the main article and would be less likely to attract AFD attention. I guess my question here is, has a criteria been set for a minimum number of episodes, or is there no lower limit? Could someone in theory create an episode list article for shows cancelled after 2 shows? 23skidoo 15:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think one can create an episode list for a show that only made it past one episode. However, it does not warrant it's own page. I propose that anything that only lasted for one season should be included in the show's main page, and not in it's own article.--Will2k 18:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify myself I am indeed only referring to separate articles being created. I have no objection to short episode lists in general (though it's kinda pointless to have a list if only a single episode was produced of a series). 23skidoo 19:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I usually like a separate article for episodes, without regard to the number of episodes. I think that so much can be said about each individual episode that it can cramp the style and flow of the main TV series page. --MZMcBride 19:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that this discussion (and project) is about "list of ___ episodes" and not about the episode's article itself. I'm not sure if this is what you meant or not. --Will2k 19:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just the list articles. 23skidoo 20:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Remember, it's not just that it's a list, but an article in list form.  With summaries we can have content to the articles.  So it really depends on how much content you have, in the same way any other section of an article could be split.  Some shows might have 20 very average uneventful episodes, while a show could have 3 episodes that were very noteworthy, and both feature articles of around the same size. -- Ned Scott 02:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Should there be a minimum number of episodes?

message: I have created a straw poll in hopes of quickly resolving the dispute over List of Air episodes. Talk:List of Air episodes#Straw poll for which episode table to use. I strongly encourage everyone to share their opinion and vote. -- Ned Scott 03:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Straw Poll for List of Air episodes 

message: In order to resolve the long standing debate over fair use of screenshots on List of Lost episodes, I am now trying to resolve the issue under the belief that the issue is an opinionated matter and not a matter of policy. Talk:List of Lost episodes#Fair use criteria number 8.  I ask that people share their comments, but please try to keep the conversation in this section focused.
One thing that works against us is that the conversation tries to defend too many points at once. Try not to respond to comments about other aspects of the debate, and just take this one step at a time. Basically, respond if you think this is an opinionated matter regarding policy point 8 of WP:FUC or not.
I believe if we can break through on the issue of point 8, the rest will fall into place. -- Ned Scott 07:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not see any reason why screenshots would not qualify under fair use. You might want to contact lawyer(s) advising wikipedia. One such person is User:BradP. Fair use shold not be a matter of debate. Something either is acceptable or it isn't. --Cat out 03:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screenshots as fair use