Talk:Westfield High School (Virginia)/Archive 3

message: *I recommend changing the pixel size of the last image, Image:Whsbulldog.jpg, to shrink it closer to its original size thereby decreasing the distortion.
*Upon rescanning the article I noticed that Image:Whs.gif is appropriately tagged but is missing a fair use rationale. If you have any questions about this, let me know. --LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 16:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 
Images


message: *"Local radio station DC101's Elliot In the Morning show held a contest in fall 2004 for area high school students whose winners will host alternative rock band Taking Back Sunday at their school.[citation needed]..." 
::Replace the citation needed tag with Reference 14. Move Reference 13 to after the "Taking Back Tuesday" information of Campbell's address. 
Note: Ref 14 is currently used twice in this paragraph. It is not a valid source for showing the school won the contest. It's also not the correct reference for the end of the paragraph. 13 would be. (I believe the ref numbers have switched around a bit since initial reviewing, so that makes this a little more confusing.) 15 would be a good ref to place behind "November 16." The first sentence also needs to be reworded for past tense. If this is too confusing, let me know.
:I hope the current ordering is what you were looking for? Let me know if it still needs changing. Arsonal 04:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You were close. I fixed it. --LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 05:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 
Regulation 1320.1


message: *Honors societies list needs reference.
*DECA needs to be spelled out and the acronym put in parenthasis. Disregard.
*Reference info on academic teams.
**"Both Future Business Leaders of America (FBLA-PBL) and DECA have their own chapters for business and marketing students. FBLA-PBL members compete in regional, state, and national competitions in business-related categories."
**"Fielding one of the largest student participation in the county, the Junior Varsity and Varsity Mathematics League teams regularly compete in the Virginia Mathematics League (VAML) and Fairfax County Mathematics League (FCML)."
**"The Westfield Debate Team won first place in the Washington-Arlington Catholic Forensic League Congress Metrofinals in both 2005–2006 and 2006–2007 seasons. The Debate team has won distinctions at the regional VHSL competition in Student Congress. It placed second in the 2006 State Student Congress Finals. The Forensics team won first place in the 2007 district competition."
::Congress metrofinals results are pretty hard to navigate . I tried looking at the various results, but it's way too extensive to get an overall picture. Can someone take a look at it and help me pinpoint the location. Arsonal 00:47, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll look into it. I see where two students placed, but it doesn't say first place. Some of this information you want to include just may not make it in. The article is growing quite a bit; Not all of this information is necessary for an encyclopedia. It won't hurt the quality of this article to trim it down some... this would be a good opportunity to remove unsourced information and get the article promoted to GA. Run back through this list from top to bottom to see what's left. You're almost done. --LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 03:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In this section, where the forensic team information is, there's a sentence about the debate team in the middle. Restructure the paragraph to keep the forensic team information together. I would suggest putting the debate team sentence first, followed by the forensic team information. That keeps 2004 stats together while also keeping the respective teams together. --LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 03:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: This is also in the yearbook. I was the captain of the winning 2005 team. Unfortunately, NBC doesn't keep season records online despite It's Academic being a regular weekend program for 45 years. In addition, VHSL academic team tournaments don't have a central recording system, rather the host schools would have thos records, so it's pretty hard to find them online. One possibility is digging through the TJHSST academic team site because they keep a record of their tournaments. Arsonal 04:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't have to be an online publication. If there is anything published with this information--a yearbook, newspaper article, etc--it's fine for use. Possibly check with your school? --LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 06:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clubs and organizations

message: *1 has issues (see below).
*6 needs page specification.
*15 needs page specification. Note: "Page" is not a specified field for cite web. You'll need to put in in the title. Just put ", page 2." at the end of the title in the cite web field, or use cite news template instead (see ref 7).
*16 is no longer in archive. A new source needs to be found to replace it. Note: Now ref 17.
*30 needs the addition of Washington Post in the citation.
*36 has apparently changed since the link was retrieved. It currently has nothing to do with the infomation for which it is the reference. Disregard.
*44 needs page specification.
*52 is no longer available online. Note: Now ref 64.
*111 being in Chinese is not within  Wikipedia guidelines for sources.
Note: I've made the changes you requested for these references. Could you check if they're good enough? Arsonal 00:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 
Sources


message: There is an issue with the first reference. It doesn't state the Westfield is the largest school in VA. In the research I have done, everything seems to state "one of the largest,", which is not uncommon. Forsyth Medical Center is the largest hospital in NC, but all the references I could find said "one of," so that's what the article reads.
Regardless, even reading into the excel document; the largest school, with 4,081 students, is Robinson Secondary (line 469). It doesn't specify in the document that Robinson is a combined middle and high school. For that purpose, I recommend a second reference be added so that there is no confusion. Additionally, the current reference needs to be edited to include that it's on line 495 of "School Totals by Grade," and I recommend that the text in the lead and the article be changed to reflect that it's "one of the largest..." 
Here's a possible reference for you to use: 

--LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 16:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We actually already used that reference elsewhere, but I can't recall the article saying largest specifically. I could only find this  article that directly mentions Westfield as the largest school. Arsonal 18:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It says largest school in the county. You can use the same reference more than once. Just name it. It's first use should have blah blah blah Subsequent uses will be . --LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 20:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 
First Reference


message: Someone please look over this site and tell me what the problem may be. --LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 18:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LaraLove, I've looked over this site, but I don't understand what the "major problem" is. It looks like the site just copied pasted the WHS article into their commerical webpage, which is quite frequent with any Wikipedia article. I don't believe the site is cited, or was considered for a reference.... Pray tell, what is the issue? Zidel333 19:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The information there's quite old. Westfield was at 2,900 students 2 years ago. Why does the top say "You searched for 127484521 on Wikipedia. Find this info below, or use our advanced search page."? Arsonal 00:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Regarding the site, there's information at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks#Non-compliance process about what to do in this situation.  Zidel333, since you wrote a large amount of the content here, you hold a substantial share of the copyright to it and would be the best one to contact the site if you want to.  There are also some sample contact letters at Wikipedia:Standard GFDL violation letter.  ShadowHalo 04:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll work on it now then. Finished the letter, and sent it off to the two email addresses I could find from the website.  I will follow the Mirror and Forks policies until I get a response from the website, or will be forced to send a DMCA Takedown Notice to Public School Review's ISP. Thanks for the help. PS I wasn't aware this was such a problem for Wikipedia. Zidel333 05:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. And good work. ShadowHalo noted that his high school, which he'd written much of the content for, was also on that website using the Wikipedia article. I checked out West Forsyth High School and found the same thing. So this is common practice for them, apparently. --LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 06:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Major Problem

message: Time is running out on the hold. To avoid having to renominate and wait for a second review, the necessary changes need to be made. 
*Any statements that can't be backed up by a reference need to be removed.
:I will make final changes tonight. We can always rewrite these statements when the appropriate references are found. Arsonal 19:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I kept the Chinese language source as a citation that Zhang was in fact featured in SINA. There would be no other possible reference for this. Arsonal 19:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed the SINA ref since Zhang is notable for being on the Wushu team, not because she was covered by a news organization.  It's a subtle distinction. Zedla 06:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Added Fair Use rationale for Image:Whs.gif, but I cannot find where its URL. Arsonal, did you scan this? Zidel333 06:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I got it from an old course catalog that also had an online version. Unfortunately, the online version is no longer there, and the current version doesn't have the cover page with the crest. Arsonal 19:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: While I think dividing it up is great, I have seen several AFDs for school sub-articles. For some reason, some Wikipedians dont like having school articles and 1 article per school is too many. Jsut my thoughts. Good work. KeepOnTruckin Complain to me | my work here 20:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends on what you pull out to place in a separate article. Notability is a big deal, so pulling the Extracurricular activities section and building an article would probably not go over well. However, the Violence controversies would make a great article. There would just need to be additional information, but it could be great. And this article could stand to lose a little. --LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 01:31, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Everything should be in order now. Arsonal 07:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: End of '''ON HOLD''' status approaching

message: I will be making my final review of the article when I return home from work—approximately 11pm EST—tonight. If the issues above are not completed, the article will be failed. When the issues have been completed, it can be renominated. I look forward to seeing your changes and hope the nomination will be a pass. --LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 04:31, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything should be in order now. Arsonal 07:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Today is the last day

message: The following statements have been removed from the article to allow approval of GA/n while we search for viable sources.
===History===
*"In 2007, as part of the University of Wisconsin's efforts to uphold its trademark "Motion W" symbol, the university administration issued a cease and desist letter to Westfield for its usage of the symbol."
===Extracurricular activities===
====Clubs and organizations====
*"FBLA-PBL members compete in regional, state, and national competitions in business-related categories."
*"Fielding one of the largest student participation in the county, the Junior Varsity and Varsity Mathematics League teams regularly compete in the Virginia Mathematics League (VAML) and Fairfax County Mathematics League (FCML)."
*"The debate team won first place in the Washington-Arlington Catholic Forensic League Congress Metrofinals in both 2005–2006 and 2006–2007 seasons."
*"Westfield also has had an Odyssey of the Mind team in the 2003–2004 school year as well as the 2004–2005 school year. Both years, the team won the regional competition, placed in the state competition and went on to compete in the World Finals."
===Students===
====Notable alumni====
*"Jessica Zhang '05 — Member of the US National Wushu Team, featured by the Chinese-language SINA news agency. "
Note: Partial sentence removal only.
Arsonal 07:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References needed for statements 

message: ====Notable alumni====
*"Jessica Zhang '05 — Member of the US National Wushu Team, featured by the Chinese-language SINA news agency. "
Note: Partial sentence removal only.
Arsonal 07:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Students

message: *"Jessica Zhang '05 — Member of the US National Wushu Team, featured by the Chinese-language SINA news agency. "
Note: Partial sentence removal only.
Arsonal 07:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable alumni