Talk:Summer Hill, New South Wales

message: Can you please advise me how you come up with the pie charts & sat photos available for publishing under GFDL? I am trying similar pages for futher west.... TIA
Garrie 05:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the pie chart, I got the ABS data about place of birth, put it into an Excel 2000 spreadsheet, created a pie chart of the data, then did a "save as" for the spreadsheet in HTML format. This created a PNG or GIF of the pie chart. I then took just that pie chart and uploaded it as GFDL (since I was the author). For the satellite photo, that was done by getting a satellite photo of Sydney from NASA, and most or all NASA photography under US law has to be released into the public domain (the Americans were very smart in mandating this license for most or all government imagery that is made public). I then took that public domain image, and by hand/mouse traced on the borders of Summer Hill (which I knew from other sources such as street directories and Australian government sources). The resulting image was then uploaded as GFDL. Hope that helps! -- All the best, Nickj (t) 23:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Map and pie chart

message: I've added this page for a possible good article nomination as it failed FA status but may still qualify for a Good Article status. Any comments should go below. (JROBBO 13:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dropped by as a GA reviewer. It looks good except for the lack of inline citations. Please add some so that the reader knows where things came from and where they can go for more informatiom --CTSWyneken(talk) 01:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've looked in again, and would like to a little attention to language. For example, the article says: "in the inner-west of Sydney." I found myself asking: inner-west what? Quarter, neighborhood, etc. a little less use of the passive voice would also make it easier to read. Article on hold. --CTSWyneken(talk) 14:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Inner-West" is the name of an area in Sydney (usually between Strathfield and the city on the south side of the harbour). (JROBBO 04:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for clarifying. Could you say something like this in the lead? It would be a mercy to a hopeless American like me. 8-) --CTSWyneken(talk) 00:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, I've changed as much as I can that's passive and could be fixed. A lot of it can't be. I've done some rewriting where needed as well. (JROBBO 03:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text:  Fair dinkum! It is very well done. I've promoted the article. Congratulations and G'Day! --CTSWyneken(talk) 20:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article Nomination

message: I was drawn to this statement in the article: "Throughout 2006 and 2007, local residents have opposed the ongoing expansion of the school's buildings and attempted demolition of heritage buildings owned by it." Although Nickj cleaned up the work the editor in question did, I fail to see how this is true at all. Trinity doesn't own any heritage buildings apart from the chapel and the Headmaster's House- no other building in the school is listed on Ashfield Council's heritage listing at all (see here), nor are they on the State Heritage Listing for the suburb (here), nor is there any other listing for any houses on the block bounded by Prospect Road, Victoria Street and Seaview Street; a look through the School's newsletters for the past year (here) reveals no plans whatsoever about the demolition of the Headmaster's House or Chapel. This is quite obviously rubbish and will be left out until such time as someone can provide a source. JROBBO 09:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've checked the council minutes for the last year - there is nothing there on any dispute with the school. Provide a source or the unreferenced POV statements stay out. JROBBO 04:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Again, I would refer you to WP:CIVIL when making comments like this. You have also been warned about providing verifiable sources, and I have already shown Wikipedia policy that shows it is your onus to provide the verifiable sources. The DA Number is not enough and proves nothing - there would be nothing in that document to show that the buildings are "heritage" or that people are upset by the proposed works. I've already shown the heritage registers and there's nothing in there to back up your claims. If you want to put that information, that's fine, but I and anyone else who wants to read this needs to know that it is true, and it is done by the inclusion of a verifiable source. If there's no source, it can't be checked and it should be deleted. My interest is not with the school, it's with the article and keeping it as a Good Article. I'm keen to keep it that way. Calling other users vandals is not going to help. JROBBO 03:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I never accused Zimbo729 of vandalism - I suggested that he should provide verifiable sources to the article regarding the POV statements contained therein. When he persisted in taking out the information, then it became vandalism. By the way, aren't you and Zimbo one and the same person? You appear to write in exactly the same way, and with the same sorts of insults. JROBBO 12:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Folks, can we please keep the detailed Trinity stuff out of the Summer Hill article? Trinity is just mentioned in passing because it is located in Summer Hill, but there is a separate article all about Trinity itself, which is I think the best place for things that are mostly relevant to Trinity. Also it would help enormously to include references to anything that is added to the Trinity article (since sometimes that article is a bit of a battleground between pro-and-anti-Trinity positions, and verifiable references go a long way towards documenting any statements, thus making them much harder to dismiss). -- All the best, Nickj (t) 03:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trinity Grammar & Heritage Buildings 

message: In order to uphold the quality of Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the GA criteria as part of the GA project quality task force. While all the hard work that has gone into this article is appreciated, unfortunately, as of 
November 2, 
2007, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at WP:GAN. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GAR. 
*The lead does not adequately summarize the article.
*Every statement that is likely to be challenged needs an inline citation.
Regards, Epbr123 18:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA delisted

message: Just some notes from a partial review of the article.
*Info box states it's 8km from the CBD but the lead states 7km
*30 acres (120,000 m²) needs a non-breaking space and would be better as 
*mid-20th Century - century should be lower case
*"area was said" in the lead. Was is redundant as it's implied by the start of the sentence
*I wonder if you should wikilink "upper-class" in the lead and look at this sentence for comma/semicolon usage. Perhaps also wikilink "working-class"
*"It is also very multicultural, with 45% of the 2006 population today born overseas". I see that the reference for this does not back up the "very" part of the line and notes "34.7% were born overseas" rather than 45%...perhaps I'm not reading this reference correctly
*Charateristics "neatly defined" ... how is it neat ? I'd suggest just "defined"
*"To the north of Summer Hill" -> "North of Summer Hill".. the "To the" seems redundant. Is this entire sentence required as it's covered in the infobox ?
*Paragraphs 2 and 4 of the characteristics section are unreferenced and the section contains some weasel words.
*"the area of land we now know as Summer Hill" would be better as "the area of Summer Hill"
*"What is now called the Hawthorne Canal (and was originally the Long Cove Creek)" 
*"The use of this name suggests that kangaroos were then common in this area, and therefore that the country was probably fairly open (the type of terrain favoured by Kangaroos); and secondly, that kangaroos may have formed a significant part of the aboriginal diet." -> "This name suggests that the land was the open terrain favoured by Kangaroos, that they were common in the area and may have formed a significant part of the aboriginal diet." seems to read better + is a statement that needs a reference
*St Andrews church ... should this either be St Andrews Church or St Andrew's church ? (don't quote me on this as this is not my forte)
*Statement that the "suburb is popular" needs a citation
*St Patrick's church is a Catholic church located in the oldest known still standing building in the area, built in 1874... isn't the church the building itself or is the building used as a church and other things. Perhaps should be "St Patrick's church is a Catholic church built in 1874 and is the oldest known building in the area"
*"Much of the exterior fabric of the church is however original, and the church has recently been renovated internally" - however is redundant and recently should be changed to a year else this'll age fast.
*"transept arches" should be wikilinked for those of us who have no idea what type of arch this is
*"Local political issues" in the politics section really needs a reference
Will look at some more of this tonight --Peripitus (Talk) 04:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the comments. I've fixed all of the above, and added extra references, except for adding a reference to paragraph 4 in the characteristics section. I didn't write that part of the article and I don't have the original references on me so I do not know where I could find a reference to show that. Any ideas? JRG 06:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Notes 

message: A few more things:
*"Summer Hill Public School is located on Moonbie Street, and is a partially selective primary school." needs a citation and explanation of what "partially selective" is. I'm not sure that the schools enrolment policy(pdf) supports this
**I've deleted this until we can find a reference. The article is not completely comprehensive without this, but it's not necessary for a GA nomination. If it was to go to FA in the future, this will need to be added. JRG 02:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok - I've fixed a few minor issues and passed as a Good Article. Appears to now meet all of the criteria and the issues raised in the GA listing have been resolved. Good work all - Peripitus (Talk) 04:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
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