Talk:John Elefante

message: Ouch! It hurts my eyes. Organize the article into sections, with a clear lead. -- PEPSI2786talk 08:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Organize

message: Thanks for your work, especially the grammar corrections. I hear you on the section titles; I'll change that. I will certainly add citations…it's just a lot of work and I'm getting to it. Please don't delete them until I at least have a change. My information comes from these primary sources: The All Music Guide, Soundscan, John, Kerry Livgren, Bill Hammell (who runs the Elefante fan site), and myself. (I represent John and Kerry professionally.) There's a lot I don't know about citations, though, and I've been reading the guidelines. For example, can I cite other Wikipedia articles? That sounds redundant. Can I cite John and Kerry? Can I cite myself as their representative? For example, the item about being the highest grossing band that year comes from the band itself, and proprietary documents from CBS that I cannot cite. Soundscan isn't a good source for the number of copies sold because it's under (sometimes way under) the actual number. Some aspects of someone's career are impossible to disambiguate. I would like to cite the All Music Guide, but you need an account to see the information. Can that be cited? I hear you on the editorial stuff. I absolutely do not want to encourage people to buy anything from John based on the Wiki page. You can see I said nothing editorial about any of the albums he has worked on; I didn't even consider doing so. In terms of the new albums, I could not encourage people to buy them because they won't be out for a long time. (In the case of the full album, a very long time.) There's nothing even approaching release dates. The reason I talk about the later album as being aenigmatic is because I am bound by confidentiality to not discuss the genre of the album, or anything about it. What I wrote is actually an accurate description. I will make the changes that people feel is appropriate, though. When the albums approach release, I will change the language to being neutral; for one thing, I'll be able to say exactly what's on the albums. I would ask, though (not that I can) that people refrain from editing the last paragraph, because there is no public knowledge regarding those albums. I do have sources for them, though; namely John and myself (assuming I can use them). As I said, though, I will certainly follow people's recommendations regarding it. I'm not trying to control anything - just keep it accurate.-- Bill G. Evanstalk 014:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Bill, you cannot cite yourself as a source.  It's against the rules, and you've turned this into PR material.  It's not appropriate for WP.  98.194.39.86 (talk) 05:32, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Veracity

message: Ltwin, I changed the discography work you did simply to make the whole section shorter, and uniform with his larger discography.-- Bill G. Evanstalk 019:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: There's a large banner above the article, titled "This article needs additional citations for verification." I've added citations for all the references that were flagged. Who decides if that banner should go? Bill G. Evans (talk) 18:25, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verification 

message: Wikipedia is telling me I have messages. I have no idea how to check them. I've you've sent them, I'm not ignoring you. One thing I noticed is that Wikipedia had an old, non-functioning email address for me. That's been fixed. Bill G. Evans (talk) 18:41, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Messages 

message: Sfan00 IMG, I understand your concern regarding copyright. I professionally represent both Mr. Elefante and Kerry Livgren from KANSAS; the videos are OK.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill G. Evans (talk • contribs) 18:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:   So now we understand more clearly how this PR piece came to be.  It's NOT good. 98.194.39.86 (talk) 05:28, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of All Videos 

message: .
I'm wondering if he did co-write the song "Play the Game Tonight", because the WP linked article DOES NOT list him as one of the writers.  He either was or was not credited as a writer, and if not - that statement / claim needs to be removed from this article. 98.194.39.86 (talk) 05:41, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Never mind, I'm editing that statement because according to Sony / ATV Music Publishing, LLC he is NOT a co-author of that song.  Songwriters: DANNY FLOWER, KERRY LIVGREN, KERRY A LIVGREN, PHIL EHART, RICHARD JOHN WILLIAMS, ROBERT AIMES FRAZIER  98.194.39.86 (talk) 05:41, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  He co-wrote and sang the No. 4 Billboard Mainstream Rock hit, "Play the Game Tonight" ?