Talk:Daniel Rodríguez (tenor)

message: (moved from Bob's talk page)
I read in the list of things that could be added is something that shows he did have struggles, etc..  This might be able to be included. The information that he was suddenly dropped by his long time coach when he married and started his family. And that he went through a period that he calls his "dark years"...etc..  I did have that included a while back, but it was removed. Also the fact that he went through that a period of 5 years that he didn't sing at all.  If  this can be used, I can find sources. But I'm still blocked everywhere but here Bob 13:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That all sounds good. Any sourced information like that would give added complexity to this piece, which is very positive. And don't worry about making mistakes. We all know you are a new editor, and contributing in good faith. If you make any errors, I or somebody else will spot and correct them. Jeffpw 15:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible additions

message: I just reread that Classical Singer mag. article and see that this is not the one that went into details of that period when he was dropped by long time vocal coach who felt he wouldn't have time to devote to his career, after starting his family.   I'll post links if and when you have not more important things to do, you can perhaps visit that site and read the Christopher Closeup interviews. I'm not sure that can be used however, but just thought you might want to investige it. The second one below he talks more specifically about that period near the bottom of interview, but I'm still looking for the one where he discussed that early split with his coach specifically. as I know I've read it a lot. Maybe in one of those references already on the page. Will continue to look.
Click Here: Check out "Daniel-Rodriguez-Interviews : Daniel Rodriguez Intervews"http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Daniel-Rodriguez-Interviews/message/5
Bob 17:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: early difficulties

message: Ok here is what I was looking for.  Jeff,  you will know if this can or should be included and how to do it. I put the original article that is archived at the Media archives on Yahoo as well as the PR Herald that has the same information. and the paragraph that  I am referring to.
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/DRMedia/message/48
http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/2002/vol6n37/LifePoliceOfficer-en.shtml
By age 12, the boy showed promise as a singer. An influential New York music figure began offering free voice lessons, placing him in recitals and a repertory company. But this mentor dropped Rodríguez in disapproval when, at 20, he married and became a father. Without music connections and depressed, Rodríguez stopped singing until about age 25, when he decided to re-launch his career. "I went out and rented a hall, hired a piano player, printed up tickets, sold them, manned the door, then went onstage and sang. I made $100. That proved to me I could do it."
Bob 17:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: found it

message: , As I know accuracy is of utmost importance,the mention in article now leads us to believe that Giuliani only heard Rodriguez signing after 9-11. Not true. so Hopefully we can find the information that Giuliani had known of his talent long before 9-11, as he'd seen him sing at Broadway on Broadway and other charity events around New York prior to 9-11. I know this is  documented including a photo from that time of him and Guilini shaking hands, etc.  He was in fact trying to get a meeting with Placido Dominge arranged for Rodriguez, even before 9-11, but due to their schedules ,it never happened until at the Prayer for America event, when Placido heard Rodriguez sing for the first time.  Do you know if you recall reading this or do I need to do some more searching?  I will await your thoughts. Bob 17:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mayor Giuliani

message: Ok, found what I was looking for. I also did a quick search and don't see these at first seach on Google, maybe would have to go to newpaper archives. but again they are archived on the Media site. Just so you can see what I have and if they are worth more searching to find original article? Below are two paragraphs and the link for entire article on archives site and author/title of articles. 
He sang at his own police academy graduation ceremony and made
a high-profile friend: Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. "He came up to me and said, 'You should be singing at The Met.' And
I said,'Well, if there's anything you can do...' " Perhaps Giuliani was the only man alive who could pull those kind
of strings. Rodriguez got his Metropolitan Opera audition.
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/DRMedia/message/86
NYPD singer's big break comes at toughest of times
By Steve Penhollon
The Journal Gazette
He also married and started a family. He continued to sing, but earned a
living a short-order cook, a truck driver and postal worker. At about 30,
he entered the Police Academy.
Though stardom seemed to be a closed door, Rodriguez continued to sing -
renting halls and putting on his own concerts where he was both ticket-
taker and main attraction. After singing the National Anthem at a Yankees
game, Rodriguez gained a mentor: New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
The opera-loving mayor got Rodriguez an audition at the Metropolitan
Opera in the spring of 2001. But he was nervous and blew the tryout.
Cop with a beat
NYPD officer Daniel Rodriguez emerged from 9/11 as 'America's Tenor'
By Doug Mason, News-Sentinel arts writer
September 22, 2002
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/DRMedia/message/46
Bob 19:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Found more on Giuliani

message: Jeff, here to help you, is what are the exact chronological order.  please when you have time, just read it over and see if this can  be included a bit more and if more references are needed and or more needs to be added to Rodriguez page. Thank you
sequence of events"
Rodriguez met Giuiliani pre-9-11 at Broadway on Broadway and other charity events in New York. They were already friends (according to Giuliani's comments in media article above)
Giuliani set up Met audition for Rodriguez
Rodriguez audition at Met was a disaster
Giuliani heard about this bad audition and decided to arrange meeting with Placido Domingo and Rodriguez,about a year or more, prior to 9-11.
Domingo's and Rodriguez's schedules never allowed that meeting to happen, so Placido first heard Rodriguez's voice at 9-11, but he was already familiar with Rodriguez's name from conversations with Giuliani.   
So when Rodriguez went up to Placido to introduce himself, Domingo alread knew who he was, and Rodriguez repeated that "Giuliani had been trying to get them together for over a year"  Placido said he recognized that Rodriguez had a great voice and the offer was made by Domingo to come to study with him at the Vilar in Washington. (actualy I think that Rodriguez had  to do an audition also but it was pretty much a done deal after Placido heard him at Prayer for America.
Bob 20:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll read the articles to see that the info is all there, and then write that sequence into the article. Thanks for searching for all of that for me! you're a big help, Bob! Jeffpw 20:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Summary - chronological - important points on Giuliani, Domingo, and Rodriguez meeting

message: Hi Jeff, I need to find you something to show that Rodriguez was "a singer who became a police officer".  An important point, that he didnt' give up singing to join the NYPD, but when they offred him that job, it was the perfect one that would give him a steady income and still allow him to sing. He never really gave up on that dream to sing full time..  Reading that very first section, seems to need a bit of tweaking. I'm not sure I'm expressing this right, but Let me see if I can find exactly what I know I've read and seems might be needed..Bob 22:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it to this: Though always interested in a musical career, he chose to become a Police Officer and sang at many police functions. In the aftermath of the September 11 terror attacks, he received widespread attention with his rendition of God Bless America. Let me know if you think that's better...you can also make the change yourself, if you think you can express it better. you obviously know a lot about him, and the beauty of Wikipedia is that an article can be continuously revised by many editors, until everyone (or no one) is satisfied. :-) Jeffpw 22:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: His choice of joining the PD

message: Jeff, this sort of touches on what I am going to search a bit more.. to find his comments about how he never gave up the dream to sing..
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/DRMedia/message/161
CS: So how long did you do these shows?
I have been doing it for, I guess, ten years now I still do it. I
never stopped doing shows even with everything that has gone on, even after I
left the Post Office, became a police officer, and became the National Anthem
singer for the police department. My career really started to really take off
when I started singing the National Anthem in uniform.
CS: Are you taking voice lessons now?
Actually, Placido Domingo invited me to sing with The Placido Domingo
Young Artists Program.
CS: Now, how did that get started?
I was doing "Broadway on Broadway" every year in uniform. "Broadway
on Broadway" is around September 9th, every year. All the cast members of
current Broadway shows come to Times Square and do a free concert. I was the
singing cop. I was on CBS, NBC, ABC, Telemundo,CNN-everybody was putting me on
programs. This was long before 9/11. CNN actually followed me during "A Day in
the Life of Daniel Rodriguez."
adually, as I gotGr the opportunity to sing the National Anthem for
the police department, I started to get noticed. I think people
wondered, "What is this cop doing here? Who is this guy?" Even the mayor
himself. I sang at the 150th anniversary of New York City on New Year's Day,
about five years ago. I was one of three people on stage singing "Happy
Birthday" to New York.
I had started working on arias by this time, because I was very
interested in getting into opera. When my teacher and I parted ways,
that was the direction he wanted to take me. The music I had been
doing was much more comfortable for me at the time, and fun, and so that is what
I did in concert. It was easy to bring people out to a night of Broadway or a
little night of music. But I did start learning arias.
Bob 22:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that a lot of this is already included--at least, the CNN part is. Feel free to insert the Broadway On Broadway if you wish. Is there a source for that interview? I notice it is from the Yahoo group. That in itself is not a problem, since it is an interview. But it would be far better to be able to cite the actual source of the original interview...or did someone from the Yahoo group interview him? Jeffpw 22:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: first find to help explain my concern

message: Just go back and read that very first section, that just seems to lead the reader to feel that he gave up on his singing to join the  NYPD.  Do you know what I mean? Because he didn't. he still was firmly determined to continue singing, even when he accepted the job with the NYPD. The way it's written now, sort changes the impression that is given.  Im having a hard time explainng this..  Bob 22:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Check the Opening at the very top

message: ok jeff, here is one of those that I want to show you.  This is from his first interview at the Crystal Cathedral. This is such an important point to try and get precise and so hard to understand I think, unless one had read everything.
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Daniel-Rodriguez-Interviews/message/3
 RHS: Oh. Now you wanted to be a singer when you were a little boy and
 you grew up and you ended up in a New York police uniform. How did
 that happen?
 DR: Well, God works in mysterious ways. Music was always been my
 ministry.So I always followed the dream and held on to that part of my
 life that was such an influence. And growing up, the music business is
 very difficult, so I had to get a regular job. The NYPD called and
 said, we'll give you a gun and go out there and ..
 RHS: And what?
 DR: Go out there and keep the people safe and serve and protect. And I
 thought that was also a great ministry to be able to serve and
 protect. And my years as a singer always gave me a special Connection
 with people. So I think I was a pretty good cop.
 RHS: What brought you to America...yeah, thank you. Well, you can be
 proud of the uniform you wore so bravely. And Giuliani knew about you,
 didn't he?
 DR: I was in charge of ... I was in the ceremonial unit, and I did a
 lot of the ceremonies for the police department. Giuliani was a guest
 at many of those ceremonies. So he had heard me sing a few times. And
 at one point after Broadway on Broadway, he said, you should be
 singing at the "Met". I said, well if you can make it happen, I'll
 sing there.
 RHS: Now, this whole thing that's happened, Placido Domingo heard you,
 didn't he?
 DR: Yes.
 RHS: Tell me about that.
Bob 22:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: his words with schuller

message: Jeff, this also goes a step further in explaining precisely what I've been trying to do.  Hope this helps? From his Oprah interview.
This one I have a hard copy, so it's exact. I think can still be gotten from Burrells transcrips or somewhere. 
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Daniel-Rodriguez-Interviews/message/2 
OPRAH: He dreamed of becoming a professional singer.
 DANIEL: That's what I thought my life would be about. Then at
 19, I met a woman, fell in love and had a son. My dream had to
 take a backseat to the reality of being a father and growing up.
 I didn't believe I would ever sing again.
 OPRAH: Years later, he landed a job with the NY City Police Dept.
 DANIEL: Becoming a police officer was the best thing that I had
 done for my life and my dream. I became the official national
 anthem singer for the NYPD after singing the national anthem at
 my own graduation. I became known as the singing cop.
Bob 22:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: One more to check out

message: that was really bothering me..and I think it took care of the problem.  Do you agree? :)Bob 22:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummmm, actually, I think you took out some important stuff. Here is how I just revised it (feel free to revert it if you still think it doesn't work): Though always interested in a musical career, he chose to become a police officer and sang at many police functions, becoming known as "The Singing Cop" and becoming the official National Anthem singer for the New York City Police Department. In the aftermath of the September 11 terror attacks, he received widespread attention with his rendition of God Bless America. Jeffpw 22:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I took out that one sentence

message: Though always interested in a musical career, when the New York City Police Department offered him a job, he accepted 
or 
He never lost his dream of a musical career, however when the New York City Police Department offered him the security of a job, he accepted...
I don't have it exactly right, but I think you'll see what I'm trying to do.. just omit that word "choice as it seems to indicate he make a choice NOT to continue his singing, but instead to be a cop.. subtle diffence, but very important. I will continue to try and get it improved.
Bob 23:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point, and will try to think of a way to make that distinction. I have to say, though, that both the lead and the article make it clear he continued singing even after he joined the Force. Jeffpw 23:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: how about: Though always determined to pursue a musical career, after marrying and having a child, opted for the security a position with the New York City Police Department.? Jeffpw 23:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I'll work on that one sentence

message: Here is another Broadway Magic article that is archved.I'll let you make the choice of how best to do this, with the other one I put on my Talk page..I haven't found the original of this one on the web yet, but will keep lookng... thanks again. 
This also reinforces that fact that when he was a police officier he didn't stop singing, but pursued ahead full steam to keep singing.
Off duty, Mr. Rodriguez has had a parallel life as a singer: he has
performed light opera and contemporary show tunes. He is a mainstay of
productions by Brooklyn-based Regina Opera and has appeared at
Carnegie Hall.
He is also one of the organizers of Broadway Magic, an ensemble of
singers and musicians who do benefit shows in New York -- they just
wrapped up several weeks of Christmas concerts.
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/DRMedia/message/53
Opera singing policeman becomes toast of New York
Araminta Wordsworth, Nov 2002
Bob 00:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: another Broadway Magic information

message: Hey Jeff, have you read enough articles on Mr. Rodriguez yet? ;)  I have another terrific one, I would love to have you look at and see if any of Giuliani's quote (or anything else) might be added?  See what you think?  Now something else I am wondering. Read the information here and still don't understand.  Are photos like this one, or any found in media articles, considered to be "public domain" and can be included in a page like Rodriguez's.? or not? Bob 06:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: more reading?

message: I am curious: there are many media articles that have used the phrase "Time magazine has called his the voice that consoled the nation".. or something like that. They never give information of which issue, etc.. and so far I've not found it.  Is this something that can be used on a Wikipedia page like Rodriguez's?  If you wish, I can find some of the articles to show you.  Bob 07:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would not use that quote, if I were you, without having the actual source material at hand. I did an archive search of Time Magazine, and could find only one reference to Mr. Rodriguez, and it said nothing like that quote. Jeffpw 09:53, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another guestion you can answer?

message: I posted this under the PR request and on this page:
<BLOCKQUOTE>I would appreciate if this request for peer review were put on hold for at least a week.  This article has no stability, and all edits made to it are intensely and often inappropriately edited by an editor, who while possibly meaning well, has been hostile to 3 prior editors who tried to make improvements to the article.  In addition this user created 7 or 8 sockpuppet accounts, now blocked, to facilitate this hostility.  Jeff has done a lot of good work on the aritlce, but I think allowing it to breathe for a week would do it no harm, and could potentially lead to a better relationship among editors who edit it in the future.  I think it would be unfair for anyone to step in and PR the article only to meet with revertions and potentially being attacked.  This is not an assumption of bad faith on my part, I think people can change.  But I think that when things are heated up adding new people into the broth is not as good an idea as waiting until the broth has cooled well below the boiling point.  Could this simply be withdrawn for a week, then be reposted? </BLOCKQUOTE>
Wikipedia is in for the long haul, a little patience, and a small showing that other people's edits or comments will be respected might be accomplished with a wait. KP Botany 16:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objections, KPBotany. I had submitted it solely for feedback, and am happy to wait an additional week or so. I will pull the PR request Jeffpw 16:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Jeff.  KP Botany 21:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review request 

message: <BLOCKQUOTE>He began to study singing at the age of ten, and attended the American Youth Repertory Company in Manhattan, where he would later act as assistant director.[3][4] </BLOCKQUOTE>
The quote for this line says "Rodriguez has been a serious student of singing since he was ten, but The Spirit of America showcases his unique ability to touch his listeners."   What is written in the article is not, as I pointed out before, an accurate rendition of the information.  My son began to study dance at the age of three, yet he became a serious student of dance at the age of ten.  We only know, from the information provided, that Rodriguez "has been a serious student of music since he was ten."  We cannot say that he never studied singing before that age as this article currently says.  KP Botany 02:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Study versus serious student 

message: Hi Jeff, I know you've put in an extraordinary amount of time on this page and I almost am hesitant to ask for more, but I keep having these nagging concerns. If you have a chance, please take a look at the personal interview and his time frame. I'm aware that some of the media articles mentioned ten years of age, but most of what I find is using 12 as the benchmark, including the tenor himself.  I've place the link to the media archive site where you can read the article, without having to sign up at Classical Singer, and I'll also place the relavent paragraphs below.  Please just take a look and see if you think anything might need adjustment?  Thank so much!
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/DRMedia/message/161
Daniel Rodriguez: I will tell you a little about myself. I have been
singing since I was 12 years old. I started singing in school. My
first role in school was Judd Frye in Oklahoma.
The drama teacher in school was a very talented man who studied at
Julliard. He studied with Stella Adler and had an extensive background in
theater and music. He also started coaching, and he also had a company called
"The American Youth Repertoire Company" in Manhattan. They put on three, four,
or five shows a year, and he invited me to do that. I was thirteen when I
started.
At thirteen, I was training musically. I was taking both voice lessons
and piano lessons. I was in a repertory company, where you do everything,from
roles to set designs, lighting, everything from A to Z. So that gave me a lot of
practical experience in the theatre. I studied with my teacher four days a week.
Bob 16:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is indeed such confusing information about the singer's age to begin a musical career this information should be replaced with something ambiguous (which is editorially dreadful) such as young child or adolescent or omitted altogether.  If a source is proven to be unreliable in one instance, then maybe all material from this source should be removed, though.  KP Botany 18:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: interview and ages?

message: Hi again Jeff,
I know you'll take this in the way it was intended, just as a personal view point, but I was saddened to see the removal of that quote about the voice, that mentioned "baritonal colorings", etc.. I'm not sure who made the decision, or why it was removed, but seems that this is one of the things that I know I always look for in an article about a singer. I do want to know what the voice sounds like, even before I take the next steps to investiage further.  If there is any way to bring that back as part of this article, it might be worth the effort? What do you think? I'll go along with your decision again. and I will remain hopeful. Thank you again. Bob 17:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: voice qualities

message: Jeff, here is something I neglected to include in my original submissions. Might this be worth of inclusion? Bob 19:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think that's an important event. Prince Ranier was a head of state, and the press release comes from the Monaco Consulate. Go ahead and add it, with the reference. If you have trouble formatting it, drop me a note on my talk page and I will lend a hand. Jeffpw 21:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another international event to consider?

message: A check to the minor edit box signifies that only superficial differences exist between the current and previous version: typo corrections, formatting and presentational changes, rearranging of text without modifying content, etc. A minor edit is a version that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute.
This, is a minor edit, a spelling correction from "Tt" to "At."
 
THIS is a change of content, an edit that requires review as the the content was in dispute on this talk page:
"At the age of ten, Rodriguez began to study singing in earnest, attending the American Youth Repertory Company in Manhattan, where he would later act as assistant director."
"He began to study singing in his early teen years, attending the American Youth Repertory Company in Manhattan, where he would later act as assistant director."
THIS is also a change of content, and an edit that requires review:
"In his early teens, a prominent figure in the New York music industry began giving Rodriguez free voice lessons,"
"When he was 12, a prominent figure in the New York music industry began giving Rodriguez free voice lessons,"
As "early teens" and "12" are not the same, and if the source does not clarify, you can't use it to reference this statement, if it does and it was wrong, you need to explain this in your edit summary, and NOT mark it a minor edit.  I thought that Jeff read all the article before writing the text, as many of them had been quoted incorrectly initially.  You can't reference something to what it did not say.
And AGAIN, this is not a minor change, as it is in quotation marks and is tied to a source:
"He became known as "The Singing Cop" in his former work with the"
"He became known as "The Singing Policeman" in his former work"
So, where does the quotation come from?  If the source, which you did not change, lists both, use both.
All of these edits will need to be checked.  Thank you.  KP Botany 17:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Many edits which may not be tied to references, improperly marked "minor" 

message: The article looks fantastic and I see Wikipedia worthy.  All of the folks who have participated on this page have done a truly wonderful job.  I am sure that the page continues to be updated until perhaps there is nothing else to edit, but right now I'm so happy that the page has made it through the many phases of the editing process.  JournalSquareNYC 02:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks to all who have done such a marvelous job of updating this page 

message: The info. of his performance at Rainier memorial has been added, but sorry, I can't recall how to finish the footnote to conform to the others. Would appreciate if someone can assist. thank you very much. Bob —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Leah01 (talk • contribs) 19:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Previously approved info. added

message: A nicely done article.  There are some minor things that need to be fixed.  God Bless America is the name of a short song and should be in double quotation marks instead of italics.  The picture of him is tagged with  but does not appear to have been taken by the uploader.  If this is the case, make sure to correct the tag and the uploader will need to forward the email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org or provide a link to where the permission was given.  Also the sentence that begins "After marrying at 19 and having a son, Rodriguez's mentor decided that he was not keeping music as his first priority" reads that the mentor married, had a son, and didn't have music as the first priority.  Make sure to rephrase it.  ShadowHalo 01:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch on your last comment--something I always miss, and will leave to Jeff, please, to reword.  Thanks for checking the copyright, too.  What about the single, "God Bless America: We Will Go On" shouldn't this and most single songs be in quotation marks also?  KP Botany 03:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot, ShadowHalo! This article had a painful birth, and this is a nice reward for all the hard work many of us put into rescuing it. I will make those changes immediately. Jeffpw 08:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Passed GA

message: I returned the official mailing list site to the LInks section.  But if this is not within Wik. rules, remove it again and I'll leave it off. I'm not sure and just don't have time to review all the quidelines on this.  thanks Bob 18:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bob, User:Betacommand is quite up on policy.  If you disagree with his/her decision, please read the links provided in the edit summary, and post on the talk page your arguments for reincluding the link rather than just returning the link without commenting upon the reasons Betacommand took the time to provide.  I have removed the link for now.  If you read the Wikipedia policy you were referred to and disagree with User:Betacommand's interpretation please post your reasoning here.  It is important that this article be well-written in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for articles.  User:Betacommand is attempting to contribute to the overall quality of the article.  KP Botany 04:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Put back?

message: The new photos look great. I withdraw my wish to keep the original. Good work David! Bob 03:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: David, thanks for the great photos.  I would like to keep the one small head shot that is taken on a different day, however, as this gives more variety in time to the person.  IFF there is nothing wrong with the other photo copyright wise, and it has time date information, would you please make an editorial decision towards keeping that one plus one of yours in the article, the editorial decision to include placement?  Excellent photos, as usual, and thanks for taking the time to procure and upload them.  KP Botany 17:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You guys can do the page how you want; I won't revert.  I only requested Rodriguez as a gift to Jeffpw. But to throw in my two cents:  I would hesitate to take down either of the photos I put on there.  First, Daniel took the photos specifically for Wikipedia.  Second, the old lead is just a big head shot that is overexposed.  I think the question is variety vs. quality.  That said, the article is large enough to accomodate more than two photos.  I would keep the lead, and the angel one is a particular favorite of mine.  You could put the big head shot somewhere else in the article and be fine.  But I certainly wouldn't change the lead for the previous one.  Like I said, you guys can make the decision.  I don't really have a horse in this race.  I have about 40 photos of Rodriguez, and only about 10 quality ones.  Time is an issue with getting them uploaded.  But once I do, I'll throw a gallery on the talk page and let you all decide what you want.--David Shankbone 17:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then let's wait for now, until you have the other photos uploaded.  I just don't want only two photos taken on the same day, when we have a larger time range of options--in articles about people, especially these samll biographies, this can be important.  This is a small article, and I'm not sure it can hold more than two photos.  Yes, I like the angel one, it's soft and strong and elegant, but still we have to use the photos to convey information.  However, I believe JeffPW can edit photos into articles, so when you post a gallery of the best we or he can make an editorial decision about which to use.  I can't format photos into articles, so I have to leave it to someone else.  Good for JeffPW to pester you for the photos.  Thanks again for all the time you take contributing excellent photographs to Wikipedia.  KP Botany 18:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New photos

message: I have obviously been drawn into something I had no idea existed.  This is how the Shankbone photos came about:  I think Jeffpw is a good guy, and he's been having a hard time lately on here.  I saw on his User page he was proud of his work on this article.  I thought as a surprise I would see if I could get some better photos of Rodriguez to cheer up Jeff.  I don't really want to become embroiled in these issues, but I think it would be good if you guys put your differences behind you and start over fresh.  Let the past be past and work together.  It sounds like the most contentious issues are over, for the most part.  Bob, there's nothing wrong with you editing the article, especially now that you have given full disclosure.  Here's the gallery; if I get more time I will load more.  Choose whatever you guys want:
File:Daniel Rodriguez by David Shankbone.jpg|1
File:Daniel Rodriguez 2 by David Shankbone.jpg|2
File:Daniel Rodriguez 3 by David Shankbone.jpg|3
File:Daniel Rodriguez 4 by David Shankbone.jpg|4
File:Daniel Rodriguez 5 by David Shankbone.jpg|5
File:Daniel Rodriguez 6 by David Shankbone.jpg|6
--David Shankbone 02:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: David Shankbone's Daniel Rodriguez photos

message: You can't add an unpublished autobiography to the article.  Please start discussing all of your changes, which may have to be completely reverted.  Hit the talk page.  Also, please disclose any conflicts of interest.  --KP Botany (talk) 18:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unpublished biography: copying not allowed, self-published not a source 

message: Could someone please check on a recent activity by a KP Botany who has suggested that all my previous additions of recent months maybe undone at the Daniel Rodriguez article. What is this about. I have been trying to build, as Wikipedia has noted that they would like to expand this article. I have no conflict of interest. Not sure exactly what is meant to infer, but I have not vandelized or in anyway done anything other then try to do what Wikipedia seems to be trying to do, in building on a good informative article to make it even better.  I won't be able to spend time for several months now, but please could someone watch over this situtation. Thank you kindly. 71.87.55.138 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Concern at Daniel Rodriguez article

message: When I read about Rodriguez I see an overwhelming audience response to a wonderful singer.  But when I read about him on Wikipedia, I see an overwhelming volume of diluted words.  
This is what the article says about Rodriguez:
"Simply, Daniel Rodriguez’ performance was electrifying, pure magic, pure energy, pure emotion and blazing in glory. It has to be his signature role."
Our quote, using too much of it, and poorly using it, dilutes the impact of the praise:
"Paul Joseph Walkowski of Opera Online wrote of that performance by Rodriguez: “electrifying, pure magic, pure energy, pure emotion and blazing in glory. As Canio he stood in a class by himself: a star of easily recognizable magnitude and a force to be reckoned with on the opera stage.” [56][57] 
Our comment is lost in a streaming stream of comments about him singing songs his mother taught him, about him being a short-order cook, and driving a truck. 
This article is not good because it is a catalogue of every thing he ever did.  That's not what an encyclopedia article is.
I'm going to edit this article to read well, in an organized fashion. 
--KP Botany (talk) 02:56, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality and accuracy versus quantity 

message: Can folks add sources as citations?  Wikipedia:Citation templates  Unless there is some reason not to use citation templates?  --KP Botany (talk) 03:07, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: No, duplication is not necessary.  Try to get the references at the right quote, though, for in-line references, but also, please use citation styles, as this will list the sources in the references lists at the bottom of the page, rather than just the title of the article and "retrieved by."  This is an attempt at an encyclopedia article on Daniel Rodriguez, and Wikipedia is an excellent location for this article.  Let's make it look like what it's supposed to be: an encyclopedia article about a noteworthy person.  Wikipedia:Citation templates  --KP Botany (talk) 03:52, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplication? Not needed, just reliable. 

message: After spending a bit of time reading this section, Wikipedia:Citation templates  I'm not sure I'm going to be a big help here, not too confident in my abilities.  Maybe someone will be able to assist who is more experienced working with that particular part of these articles.  I will pursue however and see if I can be of any help over the coming months in improving some. 71.87.55.138 (talk) 13:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation templates 

message: who can help get the metro photo (previously used on this page at top) but placed now in the lower Philanthropy section, I would be very appreciative. Not sure what else I need to do to have it show  up?
Lb5630011 (talk) 17:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC66.216.233.50 (talk) 18:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: If anyone reads this

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Daniel Rodríguez (tenor). Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070927161004/http://www.amcfoundation.org/concert__rare_performance_of_9.html to http://www.amcfoundation.org/concert__rare_performance_of_9.html
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Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 19:12, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified