Talk:Hurricane Wilma

message: Hurricane Wilma has had her update as well... 
Updated 28 September 2006 for one additional fatality in Grand Bahama Island, a revised U.S. 
damage estimate, and storm surge and damage in Grand Bahama Island.  
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– Chacor 14:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably Pirates, although WP:AVTRIV and all that comes to play... Titoxd(?!?) 03:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It could go under Pirates in the development section. Hurricanehink (talk) 04:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hurricane Wilma]] TCR updated 

message: An attempt was made to improve this article, including the addition of many nbsp's between units and their values.  A number of references are still needed for what is currently stated in the impact section.  Once that is done, the fact tags are referenced, and the article is written in a more fluid style, it should be an easy step to GA, let alone B, class.  Others can make the stylistic change required.  There's a lot of repetition in this article.Thegreatdr 19:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably the easiest way to make things change is to create Meteorological history of Hurricane Wilma (analogous to the one on Katrina). The single biggest problem this article has it the "Storm history" is far too bloated - if the content was put in a subarticle then summarized back; the most significant part of pre-FAC work will have been done.--Nilfanion (talk) 19:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvements 

message: I don't think there's enough information for a Cuba subarticle at this time.  Florida is another matter, and that has been resolved.  Mexico I'm on the fence about, so I won't create it at this time.  Thegreatdr 19:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was the storm in New England which really developed from the moisture from Wilma. That should probably be added somewhere. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to check our work archive.  I would like to see whether the system near New England was truly a seperate entity.  Thegreatdr 14:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Extreme eastern NC/SC was brushed as well as Wilma was recharging for the final time in the Atlantic. CrazyC83 04:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New subarticles for effects? 

message: Outside of waves/swell, was there any impact from Wilma outside Florida?  Thegreatdr 20:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was the storm in New England which really developed from the moisture from Wilma. That should probably be added somewhere. Hurricanehink (talk) 21:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to check our work archive.  I would like to see whether the system near New England was truly a seperate entity.  Thegreatdr 14:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Extreme eastern NC/SC was brushed as well as Wilma was recharging for the final time in the Atlantic. CrazyC83 04:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wilma impacts outside Florida in the US?

message: *Key West, FL report
*Tampa Bay, FL report
*Miami, FL report
*Melbourne, FL report
*State College, PA report - this is on the winter storm associated with moisture from Wilma
These should probably be included in the article. Hurricanehink (talk) 17:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NWS reports 

message: Is it typical practice to create multiple "effect" articles for each hurricane?  I notice that Gilbert is one article, not several.  Spliting the effects off into a multitude of new entries doesn't make much sense to me -- there's already too much following reference links around and trying to keep track of where you started. 
66.202.124.28 15:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the case of the 2005 storms, I think it's because the effects were so massive and the articles comprehensive enough to support them. Gilbert is an older storm which lacks the proper comprehensiveness. --Golbez 16:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternately, it's overkill.  Even the "effects" articles that have reached featured status are, in my opinion, fundamentally unnecessary.  But the hurricane series of articles has such a dedicated group of editors who clearly feel the need to document this stuff in extreme detail, so who am I to judge?-67.85.180.72 15:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Alternatively, storage space is extremely cheap, so Wikipedia is not encumbered by the restrictions on paper encyclopedias. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 18:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Multiple "Effect" Entries for each Hurricane? 

message: It's almost useless. Allen649 23:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  See what we did to rita..... include the infomation into the article while getting rid of everything else. Itfc+canes=me (talk) 14:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete the trivia section? 

message: When this article makes GA the other articles in :Category:Hurricane Wilma are all FA or GA class and would make a fine Featured Topic. Plasticup T/C 13:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: True. The only article that's needed (IMO) is Effects of Hurricane Wilma in Mexico. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Topic 

message: Can someone fix the pages for Wilma? For some reason, when the exact same page address is used with the only change being capitalization of the W in Wilma, it breaks the page in the Storm History section. I ran across this when searching for "Hurricane Wilma" but it doesn't happen if you search for "Hurricane wilma". It's very weird, and I don't know how to fix it, but as it stands now, anyone who searches for it using proper grammar gets a broken page. Toroca (talk) 01:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad Page Problem 

message: Are there many later US landfalls at major hurricane strength? And is the position worth mentioning? crandles (talk) 09:34, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hurricane Lenny hit Saint Croix in the US Virgin Islands on November 17th. If you're talking US landfalling major hurricanes, nope, that record goes to 1921 Tampa Bay hurricane, which did it the day after Wilma. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Latest US Landfalling Major Hurricane

message: While I doubt it will occur in the near future, I'd keep a watchful eye on any changes to Hurricane Wilma's intensity:
"At last week's 30th Conference on Hurricanes and Tropical Meteorology of the American Meteorological Society, Dr. Eric Uhlhorn of NOAA's Hurricane Research Division presented a poster that looked at the relationship between surface winds measured by the SFMR instrument and flight-level winds in two Category 5 storms. Hurricane Hunter flights done into Category 5 Supertyphoon Megi (17 October 2010) and Category 5 Hurricane Felix (03 September 2007) found that the surface winds measured by SFMR were greater than those measured at flight level (10,000 feet.) Usually, surface winds in a hurricane are 10 - 15% less than at 10,000 feet, but he showed that in super-intense Category 5 storms with small eyes, the dynamics of these situations may generate surface winds that are as strong or stronger than those found at 10,000 feet. He extrapolated this statistical relationship (using the inertial stability measured at flight level) to Hurricane Wilma of 2005, which was the strongest hurricane on record (882 mb), but was not observed by the SFMR. He estimated that the maximum wind averaged around the eyewall in Wilma at peak intensity could have been 209 mph, plus or minus 20 mph--so conceivably as high as 229 mph, with gusts to 270 mph." -- Dr. Masters
TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 14:44, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keep Watch 

message: Hey, i see many hurricane articles with a good article, but why not the strongest hurricane?-- ✯Earth100✯  ☉‿☉TalkContribs 11:21, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article  

message: I would like to see a section on the emergence of public discussions about urban resilience planning downstream of Hurricane Wilma, or at least a link to an excellent or outstanding article on post-hurricane resilience-based rebuilding. MaynardClark (talk) 16:24, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean Hurricane Irma? --‖ Ebyabe talk - Repel All Boarders ‖ 16:41, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resilience planning 

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message: Does anyone have a single reference for the number of deaths related to Wilma in Florida? I found the SunSentinel, which referred to the Florida State Emergency Response Team saying there were 25. I'm seeing other sources, but unless there is a breakdown by county, I'm inclined to think the death toll in Florida is lower than what we have reported here. The TCR said there were five direct deaths. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  02:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the disrepency comes from a large number of indirect fatalities, which are often difficult to precisely catalog. The TCR's listing of fatalities, specifically those , is corroborated by the Storm Data publication and the relevant entries on Storm Events. A USGS summary of the major storms of 2005 also indicates five deaths. However, a large number of indirect fatalities are evident. The Miami-Dade Health Department alone indicated 10 indirect deaths in the "post-impact" phase of Wilma (excluding two direct deaths in the county). A journal article indicated both pre- and post-storm indirect fatalities in Wilma but unfortunately did not provide any numbers. A weather summary from the Miami NWS office indicated that Katrina and Wilma combined for 30 indirect deaths. A report from Crawford & Company suggested Wilma caused  in the United States. Collier County's emergency management plan says there were 10 indirect fatalities from Wilma, primarily from cleanup, though it is a little ambiguous whether they are talking about the state as a whole or just Collier County. A Palm Beach Post article after the storm suggests at least 30 overall from both direct and indirect causes. --TheAustinMan(Talk ⬩ Edits) 03:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

text: ? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  00:02, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deaths in Florida? 

message: "Hurricane Wilma was the most intense tropical cyclone ever recorded in the Atlantic basin" "tropical cyclone" should be removed and replaced with "hurricane". Due to the locations that Hurricane Wilma occupied, it is most accurately defined as a hurricane. Tropical cyclone is appropriate for most areas of the Pacific Ocean. Displaying the term tropical cyclone instead of hurricane adds an unnecessarily confusing element to the article.Jmr012 (talk) 02:47, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: "Tropical cyclone" is the generic term for such weather events (in the western Pacific, they're called typhoons, ...); so the justification provided does not really support the requested edit. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  12:22, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurricane Wilma best labeled as a hurricane and not "tropical cyclone". 

message: damages=2740 184.177.118.115 (talk) 17:51, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 19:00, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2022 

message: In the “other states” section, please add Mt Washington saw 27.5 inches of snow, as well as 97mph winds, with 74mph winds in cape May. https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/weathermatrix/remembering-hurricane-wilma-2005/832260 98.116.45.220 (talk) 20:48, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does mention information about the center of low pressure related to Wilma, even mentioning 20 inches of snow in Vermont. That should be removed if we don’t include this. 98.116.45.220 (talk) 20:02, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. I agree that there needs to be a consistent approach to this, either one seems fine to me. Actualcpscm (talk) 21:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2023 

message: The current method is inconsistent. We cannot mention only some of the nor’easter impacts. Either we mention all nor’easter impacts, or we mention none.  what would be you’re preferred option? I personally air on the side of including them all, especially because of Hurricane Ian. 98.116.45.220 (talk) 20:47, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: It seems that the listed damage total of US$454 million and even the total economic cost total of US$1.3 billion are out-of-date or inaccurate. This article lists two (inflation adjusted) estimates for Wilma at US$7.5 billion and US$11.3 billion  https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2023/10/acapulco-reeling-from-catastrophic-damage-in-the-wake-of-hurricane-otis/. There's no listing of the unadjusted totals or what portion of the totals are property damage vs lost economic output, so should this be used as the basis for changing the estimated cost in Mexico?  MCRPY22 (talk) 19:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm the one here who put the US$454 million, and that's based on the best available sourcing I had at the time. I'm not quite sure what to make of it. There are wildly different sources when inflated to 2022 or 2023 USD, which might include more costs attributed to the storm's aftermath, or perhaps economic costs. Like, if a storm damaged a property, and it was rebuilt at 10 times the cost (not unheard of in a resort area), then the costs could be attributed to the storm, while not being directly caused by it. I'm also not sure what source to trust most, as far as source reliability. The source for US$454 million was from a Mexican government source, CENAPRED, originally in Mexican pesos, and clarified that's for direct damages. I then converted to USD. Indirect damages aren't included in the damage total then, but that makes we wonder (and as such, I have to ping a few people - Jason Rees, Jasper Deng, Cyclonebiskit) - does a storm's economic effects count toward the damage total? That could be where the discrepancy lies. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  23:35, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a few more sources that may be of interest here: https://www.banderasnews.com/0610/nz-hurricanewilma.htm, https://smn.conagua.gob.mx/tools/DATA/Ciclones%20Tropicales/Ciclones/2005-Wilma.pdf, https://www.statista.com/statistics/753668/most-expensive-natural-disasters-insurance-compensation/. In the second link, page 5 includes damage estimates ranging from 30 billion pesos (about 2.8 billion USD at the 2005 exchange rate) to 50 billion pesos (about 4.7 billion USD). The latter estimate is from insurers and would amount to around 7.5 billion after inflation. I don't know if the third site is considering nominal or inflated payouts. I'm not sure whether they are for direct or indirect damages. For what it's worth, the National Hurricane Center considers Hurricane Otis to have surpassed Wilma as the costliest Mexican hurricane in total damage based on data from the same reinsurers cited in the yaleclimateconnections link. MCRPY22 (talk) 17:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's telling that the 50 billion pesos (US$4.7B) inflates to US$7;5 billion, and that number is from insurers, which is usually the basis for estimates in the United States (where the insured damage is usually doubled). I appreciate you doing that research, it's telling as for why this article isn't good or featured (yet). Maybe for the 20 year anniversary? "¯\_(ツ)_/¯ " ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  05:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: One other thing that I think is relevant here is that the listed damage total in Cuba (704 million USD) incorporates both direct damage and indirect effects from lost productivity and the cost of preparation for the storm. This may be less relevant, but I also noticed that the damage estimate for Mexico on the page was 7.5 billion USD for many years and it was mentioned that 4.6 billion of the total was agricultural damage. However, this seems to have been a misreading of the Mexican report on Wilma, with someone mistaking "aseguradoras" (insurers) as the Spanish word for agriculture. By coincidence, this is the actual inflated damage estimated by EM-Dat. The Gallagher Re estimate for damage from Wilma in Mexico is 11.3 billion USD in 2023 dollars, which is roughly 7.5 billion inflated from October 2005 to January 2023. I hope that was from a separate estimate, and the erroneous damage estimate from the misreading of the report did not propagate so far out. MCRPY22 (talk) 20:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  - in the spirit of taking this discussion to its conclusion, would you mind changing the article with whichever source/total you think is most accurate? If you're not sure how, you can always leave the source as a hyperlink, but the expectation (if this is to ever become a featured article) is to have inline citations using template:cite web/report/whatnot. I admit that I made a mistake with the damage total I put in, after all ;) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  01:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total Cost in Mexico