Talk:Michael Rosen

message: The following information was recently added to a "Trivia" section by an anonymous editor:
*Went to Chillingham Road Primary school and wrote a poem for them. Because they thought it would inspire the pupils. Also appeared on Radio 4 in an interview there.
*Has released a sequel to 'We're going on a bear hunt' called 'The bear in the cave'.
I've removed it from the main article for two reasons: (1) it is unreferenced; and (2) trivia sections are to be avoided as they encourage editors to add miscellaneous facts to the article. If references can be found for the information, it can be integrated back into the main text of the article. — Cheers, JackLee –talk–</span> 10:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: i'm a 1-armed typist at the moment as i hurt my shoulder through excessive repetitive editing...
the 'see above' refers to the son's illness - i had seen the death of the son before reading about his illness above. i didn't want to repeat the illness, so added that instead. perhaps 'as described above' would be clearer - Rothorpe (talk) 17:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, Rothorpe. I don't think the "(see above)" is really necessary. The article is not very long, and anyone who reads it will discover the relevant information fairly quickly. Can we agree to remove it? And I hope your arm recovers soon! — Cheers, JackLee –talk–</span> 18:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

text: No, that's fine. I've just deleted a redundant reference to "1999". — Cheers, JackLee –talk–</span> 23:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "See above"

message: Hi, Philip Cross. You relocated a footnote from the end of a newly inserted block of information about Rosen's parents and ancestors to a place earlier in the block because not all the information was sourced from the reference in the footnote. This means the fragment "and Connie a primary school teacher before becoming a training college lecturer; she also broadcast for the BBC. Their ancestors came from Poland, Russia and Romania." is unreferenced. Are you able to locate a reference for it? If not, I think we should remove it from the article until it can be properly sourced. — Cheers, Truth's Out There –talk–</span> 17:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry to be a little pompous, but it is usual to add "fact" in double braces  when querying information in an article. My reference for his mother's work for the BBC, would be Michael Rosen himself during his selection of Desert Island Discs two years ago. It seems she was in effect his first editor, as Rosen first wrote material for the children's radio programmes in which she was involved. This material belongs in the article. Currently there is a gap in his career progression, but I do not have a  better source than my own memory. Philip Cross (talk) 20:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Position of footnote 

message: Now, before anyone gets the wrong idea, I didn't come to this page just to look for "funny information about michael rosen YTPs and shits and giggles". However, his impact on internet culture - at least I believe - is at least noticable, but not to suggest that popular "YoutubePoops" should be included and referenced. Does anyone want to share their thoughts on the subject? I'm not entirely sure if the videos are noticable enough to warrant a mention in the first place. 71.196.173.180 (talk) 08:13, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Normal Wikipedia notability rules apply. If there is coverage in reliably sourced media then of course it could be mentioned here, otherwise not. It would be interesting to know Michael's opinion of these -- some of them are, frankly, offensive. That might form the basis of an article by a journalist that we could reference here. -- EdJogg (talk) 11:30, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: In Modern Culture

message: A mention of Michael Rosen's videos on YT keeps being added to the article. While on this occasion there is no problem with copyright, as it is clearly an official channel which Rosen links to from his website, it does not seem possible for notability to be established. I can only find a third-party reference on Times Education, but that appears to be user generated content which does not meet the requirements of being a reliable source. Philip Cross (talk) 07:57, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Four months on, still no usable reference to the YouTube videos featuring Michael Rosen as a performance poet. Philip Cross (talk) 10:59, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  On twitter, Michael Rosen has just linked to the official Artifice Design feed on YouTube. The introduction reads as follows: "This is the official Michael Rosen video channel. All videos on this channel have been approved by Michael Rosen and are safe to watch. Please be wary of any other videos that are offered by different channels and users as it unlikely that they will be authentic or approved. YouTube is a 'free-for-all' site. Quite a few people have fun taking Michael's videos and making new versions of them, known as 'poops' or 'YTPs' Many of these are not suitable for young children. If you want to be sure that you're looking at genuine Michael Rosen videos then only view content uploaded and managed by this channel. All videos have been uploaded and are managed by Artifice Design."  Philip Cross (talk) 13:02, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: YouTube

message: The "Early Life" section focuses more on Michael's parents than Michael himself.
Rectar2 (talk) 23:01, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Life Subject 

message: I don't think that Rosen should be in the category for Internet memes. He's mentioned once in YouTube Poop, inside a paragraph consisting of  It's also never mentioned in this article, which it should if it's such an integral, notable part of his fame. Origamiteⓣⓒ 22:24, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he should because there's an entry of him at Know Your Meme. Pickuptha'Musket (talk) 15:07, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

text: As Know Your Meme uses wiki software, it cannot be considered a reliable source demonstrating the notability of YouTube Poops involving Michael Rosen. Wikipedia articles cannot be used as sources for other articles on this website. 15:50, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Philip. Origamiteⓣⓒ 20:11, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

text: It seems absolutely bizarre that his viral meme is not mentioned. It's extremely well known world wide. MaxConfusion (talk) 22:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Meme?

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message: Michael Rosen here: you still haven't got the account of my stay in hospital(s) right. You've got the first phases right. Yes I did go into a geriatric ward. That was for about 10 days. Then - crucially - I was taken  to another hospital, St Pancras Rehabilitation Hospital. i went there on June 3 and was there for 3 weeks. Why crucial? Because that's where they taught me how to stand up, then use a frame, then a wheel chair, then a stick and then finally to walk without a stick so that by the end, I could walk from the ambulance to my front door unaided. I owe an enormous amount to the physiotherapists and occupational therapists there for what they did for me.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23CC:7280:E01:AC3E:BF84:966D:8071 (talk) 00:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It must be distressing for Michael to have incorrect information about his illness in the Wiki article, as he disputes it himself. But the Guardian article says this "Rosen had been ill with flu-like symptoms in mid-March. He seemed to be getting better, but then he got “bed-breaking shakes” and extreme aches two weeks later. On 28 March, Williams, the mother of his two youngest children, called NHS 111 and was told to keep him away from hospital if possible. As the day progressed, she became terrified. She asked a doctor friend to take a look at him." https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/30/michael-rosen-on-his-covid-19-coma-it-felt-like-a-pre-death-a-nothingness. Can we find a published and approved source for Michael's denial? Here is his own public comment on Facebook (not an approved source, I think): Rosen's Facebook Comment  Thomas Peardew (talk) 06:35, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I see the issue has now been edited in the article, removing the reference to "protecting the NHS". As it stands I think this is now correct. I am evidently a little late in catching up! Thomas Peardew (talk) 08:16, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Near-death experience

message: AWARD: https://www.childrensarts.org.uk/aca-news/michael-rosen-wins-the-2021-j-m-barrie-award/
:Good to have you back again. Added to the article at: Michael Rosen#Awards and honours. Edwardx (talk) 13:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: New award

message: What about the allegations he downplayed anti-Semitism in the Labour Party? (86.140.123.8 (talk) 17:51, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: 'What about the allegations' that he was targeted by two directors of an organisation who 'out' people who, they say, downplay antisemitism in the Labour Party - one targetting that tried with a tweet to get Rosen sacked from the BBC and the other that stated on twitter a purported value of his family home and also stated that if he (the director of the organisation) hadn't been with his wife he didn't know what he would have done [to Rosen]? 2A00:23CC:7280:E01:D1B:234F:C3F6:CB39 (talk) 20:09, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Semitism controversy 

message: Ok 42.108.160.10 (talk) 09:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  English 

message: Michael would like that section to be removed, as he believes it to be libellous.
Is there someone with whom I should be in contact to pass on that message? Rijnveld's Early Sensation (talk) 15:14, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The section is very well furnished with reliable sources, is there any particular part that isn't correct? Theroadislong (talk) 15:23, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't know, to be honest, being so distant from the matter, but I gather that Michael Rosen disputes some of the things which were said in the press articles referred to. Rijnveld's Early Sensation (talk) 15:26, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Then he probably needs to take it up with the press, Wikipedia merely reports on what reliable sources say about a topic whether it is good or bad. Theroadislong (talk) 15:28, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on Newbon 

message: It's good to use a more up-to-date photo than the 2009 File:Michael Rosen.jpg photo that was used here for a while, but I feel it's not appropriate to use File:MICHAEL ROSEN 2022 (54).jpg as the main picture. We typically try to use photos that aren't too unflattering on biography articles. He just looks so... visibly diseased here. The skin around his left eye is all red and swollen, his left pupil is a different size than his right pupil, and the skin of his face just doesn't look very good. Nothing inherently wrong with showing someone's age with a recent photo, but I strongly doubt that this is the best one we could be using here.
If I recall correctly, the photo we were using on this article before that one wasn't really that outdated. I'll look around the revision history and try to confirm that. If it was actually too old to keep using, I'll try to see if there are better ones on commons and suggest some here.
 Vanilla  Wizard  💙 18:13, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and changed it back to the most recently used image (File:Michael Rosen BETT & Education Show 2019.jpg) since I don't expect this to be that contentious of a change.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 18:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any other photos we could be using for the infobox? 

message: I notice that many writers on wikipedia have a list of books they've written. I gather it's not appropriate that I add these myself. For anyone interested in doing this, here's a complete list of my books: https://www.michaelrosen.co.uk/bibliography/
Best wishes
Michael 86.191.123.238 (talk) 20:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  My books 

message: Hi Michael Rosen here. This is not an edit. It's a comment. I have tried to tell you several times that you have the Beatrix Hastings story wrong. I've explained how you've got it wrong and where you can go to get it right. Next: the number of books is wrong. You can get the right number from my website where they are listed. You are about 60 books wrong. Under politics, you say that I'm 'Labour' since 2015. This doesn't represent my politics. Finally, one of my main occupations since the 1990s has been university lecturing/teaching either as a visiting professor or (for the last 20 years) as a professor. You don't list that under 'occupation'. The only problem with  you getting these things wrong is that people use wiki as a reputable and reliable source when they are introducing me at conferences and the like . 165.120.212.35 (talk) 00:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Michael. I have updated the  number of books based on the recent gruniad source and will have a look at the other items when I get time. Burrobert (talk) 04:44, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistakes