Talk:Julian March

message: There are 5 maps on this page, all of which show the exact same geographic area. Can someone post a map that places this location in a larger context, so that it is easy to identify where in the world Julian March is?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.1.102.165 (talk) 03:23, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps all the same! 

message: The English name is Julian March, while the Italian name deserves to be primary, it still must go in the brackets I'm afraid. This is Wiki Policy, just like Istria, for example, must be called "Istria" and not "Istra," as is the local name. I remind you this is the English Wikipedia, I will go to the Admins if necessary on this. DIREKTOR (TALK) 20:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Venetia Iulia" is the translation in Latin of the term "Venezia Giulia", created by the Italian glottologist. He used both terms, and the Latin term is used even by English authors in English books. In the English wikipedia can be used both: Julian March and Venetia Iulia. And -of course- the Italian term "Venezia Giulia" must go in the brackets I'm afraid, as you wrote. I don't see any reason to go to the admins for this.  Direktor, sometimes you remember me a bit my nephiew Marko (who lives in Cherso and calls himself a "Croat of Dalmatian Italian ethnicity"): he is always worried of not irritating the nationalistic Croats around him, while he always defends his Dalmatian Italians roots. But "it is very hard the job of being in the middle", he says. --Cherso (talk) 02:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Julian March," not "Venezia Giulia" 

message: What are you doing? This article is AGREED UPON by Italian, Slovenian and Croatian editors. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 11:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What? 

message: Check Google for English pages with Venetia iulia
and Venezia Giulia ,
Venetia Euganea 
and Venezia Euganea ,
Venetia Tridentina 
and Venezia Tridentina .  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.17.238.146 (talk) 12:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know how to explain this to you in simpler terms: the section you are editing is called "History", and the part of the text you are editing deals with the time of the Roman Empire. Now, the official language of the Roman Empire was Latin, not Italian, and Wikipedia policy demands that contemporary names be used when describing history. The contemporary names were in Latin, therefore they must remain in Latin, the Google test is not important here. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 17:21, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I see, my mistake. You appear to be correct, my apologies. The text was written very badly, and if you had my experience with IP accounts I expect your reaction would be the same (just today one began rewriting WW2 songs into fascist versions). Also, Wikipedia is positively teeming with all sorts of biased irredentist editors, trying to depict various areas such as Istria, Dalmatia and Rijeka as "rightfully Italian". --DIREKTOR (TALK) 13:30, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names 

message: Reverted senseless removal of info by IP editor/editors. This encyclopedia is not your own personal "frustration vent". --DIREKTOR (TALK) 02:27, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can I question you Dir.? Why that offensive comment?--217.202.158.216 (talk) 15:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision 

message: A Google-research "Julian March" give thousands of false resUlts. 
So I tried, "Julian March" AND (Trieste OR Pola OR Gorizia)
.
Still no real results. 
"Venezia Giulia" NAND "Friuli" gives several results. Those are significative .
=== CONCLUSIONS ===
It seems that "Julian March", referred to a land, does not exist in the Net. "Venezia Giulia" is used today as it was used in historical contests. The article shall be renamed "Venezia Giulia".--217.202.111.51 (talk) 18:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Italian wikipedia seems to think otherwise. And not just the Italian wikipedia: please bring any reliable source according to which Venezia Giulia is another entity than the Julian March. In reality, Julian March is nothing but the most used English name for an Italian region that was divided in 1947 and of which only a small strip remains in Italy. The request for move is completely unsustained. Viator slovenicus (talk) 18:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Stop to cheat: in the Italian W. there is neither dicussion nor sources, for your claim. It is on you to provide sources --217.201.202.217 (talk) 20:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Viator, I suggest you stop discussing with this guy, as he is obviously heavily POV and does not take rational arguments into account. Should he try to vandalize further the article or its name, I'll call in an admin to sort the problem out. See you around :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 20:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Why would we take out another version of the name? Friuli is close by... --DIREKTOR (TALK) 15:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: It seems that "Julian March", referred to a land, does not exist in the Net. "Venezia Giulia" is used today as it was used in historical contests. The article shall be renamed "Venezia Giulia".--217.202.111.51 (talk) 18:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Italian wikipedia seems to think otherwise. And not just the Italian wikipedia: please bring any reliable source according to which Venezia Giulia is another entity than the Julian March. In reality, Julian March is nothing but the most used English name for an Italian region that was divided in 1947 and of which only a small strip remains in Italy. The request for move is completely unsustained. Viator slovenicus (talk) 18:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Stop to cheat: in the Italian W. there is neither dicussion nor sources, for your claim. It is on you to provide sources --217.201.202.217 (talk) 20:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Viator, I suggest you stop discussing with this guy, as he is obviously heavily POV and does not take rational arguments into account. Should he try to vandalize further the article or its name, I'll call in an admin to sort the problem out. See you around :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 20:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Why would we take out another version of the name? Friuli is close by... --DIREKTOR (TALK) 15:52, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  CONCLUSIONS 

message: I did not want to get into this, DancingPhilosopher, but your edits are obviously biased and slanted. And badly written grammar-wise, to boot. Pointless lists of Slovene counties about the Treaty of London have no place whatsoever in the lede of an article. And as for removing "Croatian" from the lede, let me say that I have no idea what you consider to be "Slovene lands", but as far as actual borders are concerned Croatian-populated areas constitute the majority of those lands actually granted to Italy. -- Director (talk) 15:23, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That the majority of those lands actually granted to Italy were Croatian is irrelevant - what is relevant is the answer to the next question: Did the Croats "loose" 1/4 of Croatian entire population and 1/3 of the entire Croat territory? This is all I want to know! DancingPhilosopher my talk 15:34, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Its painfully obvious you're here as a POV crusader. Your additions to the lede do not have consensus. Further nationalist POV-pushing and revert-warring will be brought up on the appropriate noticeboard (please take heed of WP:ARBMAC). Please insert the list into the main body of the article, it is not for the lede. Nor is it acceptable for you to add unwarranted emphasis on your country's losses, while removing mention of other nationalities altogether. Your personal perceptions of "importance" and "relevance" concern noone but yourself. -- Director (talk) 16:24, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
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message: I added a chapter on history region before 1918, as I felt it is useful to understand the peculiar strcuture of this area.  It is largely based on information already available on Wikipedia, and could also be seen as a collection of links to more detailed sections.  I added a couple of references.
Regards Vbrm (talk) 16:01, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the region before 1918 

message: I updated the article on the "Origin of the name" by citing a very relevant reference book which also happens to be available as a Google book.  My main points:
* the term "amateur geographer", which is not supported by any quotation, seems utterly unjustified in the case of Ascoli.  Ascoli was a prominent linguist, with international scientific connections, awarded with the highest honors throughout Europe.  The term "amateur" is unapplicable in this case. 
* by reading this part of the article one could get the idea that Ascoli was an "irredentist", i.e. a nationalist with the political goal to make all of Triveneto part of Kingdom of Italy; this is not the case.  This is not to deny the Italian nationalism of that time and their usage of Venezia Giulia term; simply, Ascoli himself had different goals. 
I also found it useful to state explicitly at the beginning that Julian March is the translation of Venezia Giulia; it may seems obvious but I believe it helps reading.  More details of how the english term was born would be useful, I'm however not aware of them right now.
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thread_title:  Graziadio Ascoli and "Origin of the name" 

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message: :  The Kajkavian dialect of Serbo-Croatian was spoken around Buzet in north-central Istria
I think this is severely misleading. Kajkavian is considered a "Serbo-Croatian" (or "Croatian") dialect only because its speakers consider themselves Croats. The Buzet dialect has some features of so-called Northwestern Čakavian and some features of dialects in Slovenia; it's a typical South Slavic dialect which is hard to classify into some discrete national boxes (various textbooks classify it in different ways). What matters here is that is is Slavic, compared to various Romance dialects (Italian, Venetian, etc.) and this finally made speakers consider themselves Croats. dnik ► 15:22, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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