Talk:Artist

message: "who employs creative talent": this is questionable.  There are certainly artists without talent, or, it could certainly be argued by some people that there are.  --Daniel C. Boyer
and everyday artists with no talent but childy manners are taken on colomns for money exchange, concepts aren't art.
creativity isn't enought but new expression reorienting way of finding mind or soul is.
It seems that you have an axe to grind here. although I agree with you that the page is a poor example when you consider the importance of artists in relation to both world and local culture. I have to disagree with your interpretation of both creativity and talent.
first 'talent' is an ability. Talent is not a competitive range, we all have it, all be it to a greater or lesser extent.
second the word creativity stems from the latin 'creare' to produce - It is more widely understood to mean some form of innovative production - again this is not exclusive we all can do it, or rather DO it in some aspect of our daily lives, even if it is simply in dressing, parenting, or making food.
So to recap - Creative Talent is essentially anyones 'abilty to create' 
Clearly concepts are something that we all have the ability to create - this page is proof enough of that - 2 concepts both created.
As for wether that makes one an artist or not has been a matter of some debate. and with most debate the telling result is that it shows the perspective of those doing the debating.
It seems that you assume that 'Artist' is a special term confered on those that 'deserve' it somehow. my stance is one that folows the line that Artist is simply a badge that can, when worn, give you permission to do what you might not ordinarily do. we should all be allowed to be artists even if only for our own pleasure.
Now of course when Art is treaded as a commodity then it follows that the artists must be of limited number, otherwise we'd all be doing it, and then how would the dealers and galleries make any money. the way they limit the number of artists is by making art seem difficult and obscure.
It seems you want the best of both worlds - a distant artistic elite and a way of finding mind and soul. If you keep your artists as seperate dwellers in ivory towers they can be admired from afar, but wont help anyone understand mind and soul as much as if they too can partake of being an artist themselves.
As for the media coverage of ones that you dont feel deserving of it, chances are that somebody else does. If you dont like it dont read it, who will benefit from your resistance to it?
I would suggest that creativity is enough - the pressure for everyone to find a 'new expression' has led to the incoherent fragmentation of modernism and post modernism and in turn caused the very issue it seems that you are objecting to. when artists where simply trained colourmen and artisans the goals were clear "is this a better painting than the last". but then that is a painters view and Artist is a wider term.
So go out there and BE an artist yourself, create better stuff (in whatever feild you know) with all of YOUR talent. you may not get national recognition, but your world will be a better place.
DavidP 19:37, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Old stuff

message: The previous page was cursory - so I have rewritten the page and in doing so tried to keep any worthwhile content from the previous page - the two comments above relate to that previous page.
the page was also listed in the PNA list - I have removed it from that list, as now I believe it only requires cleanup and of course some more input.
DavidP 00:14, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  major rewrite of artist page 

message: The only thing that seems to connect 'artists' is the desire to be seen as 'artists' - it is more than a little sad. Art is a sad word too and better avoided.Pliny 21:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dumb word

message: The word “artists” is often used as a pejorative term especially by more conservative people or people who do not value either art or the artists who make art.  Usually the arguments against artists are that they are lazy or egotistical.  The main opposition to them seems to be from individuals who do not share the same values as artistic people.
Not sure who made the above comment. Saying that conservative people, be they conservative politically or otherwise, are not interested in art or artists who make art is total bunk. Some of the largest collections of art were founded by people associated as being 'conservative'. Many wealthy art collectors would be considered 'conservative' by definition of the word. I don't think anyone is 100% fiscal or social conservative or that anyone is 100% fiscal or social liberal. Just thought I would point that out. The myth that all conservatives are against art comes from the NEA mess during the 90s. Which a Democrat controlled congress could have stopped I might add. Artblogs (talk) 07:29, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pejorative Term

message: It is fine to have examples of arts and artists. Of course they are only examples, not statistically representative (what kind of statistical approach would be adequate?). Many encyclopedias have such lists, for instance, lists of types of insects with one of each type. They illustrate the extention of the word and add interest to the article. 80.225.9.154 19:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed john keats with pablo nerud at the voice "poet".. it gives more a glance of internationalism IMHO... --Sailko 16:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Examples

message: This article needs to focus effort on the citation of appropriate references for what has been written.  
Should what has been written be removed if no references are forthcoming?
All references also need to be included in a references section - which I'm adding, along with an external links section. Cosmopolitancats 00:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation of references

message: I think 'seven muses' should read 'nine muses'
Rene deBeauville 03:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artist: History of the term 

message: I think it is a possibility that this article could be split into a few different articles. What do you guys think? Eric Wester 16:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: History of the term artist could probably make an article by itself? Eric Wester 16:10, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We need an article called artist; there isn't enough here to split frankly. Creation of sub- or specialized articles doesn't need debate, so I will boldly remove the tag - now 2 1/2 months old. Johnbod 14:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: Split 

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 03:47, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it suitable for C-class now, or are there any major aspects that are still missing? The one noticeable problem is an almost complete lack of inline citations. Sionk (talk) 14:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Sexism leads to both irrationalism and boredom.
::Plus it's just plain boring
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.231.74 (talk • contribs) 
:::Actually, they're not. Ty 10:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHY are ALL the "examples" of artists MEN? 

message: "Ништо не ново на Луне!" - сказал поэт. 
Но ништо не вечно и на Солнце !! .. 
У артистов много эмоций и пониманий.. 
А у учёных - много знаний. И непониманий .. 
Следовательно можно сложить и получить што-нибудь среднестатистическое и постаратьця увидеть тренда типа и сорвать на аукционе биржи куш .. ведь што день грядущий нам готовит если не то кто же ?? Если не ты !! 
А "Да пропади всё пропадом !" - это уже - "клиника". Или "выражение чуфсфт". Как-то в общем .. так .. 
176.59.192.28 (talk) 04:51, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  А жизнь пенсионера уже вообще .. какой-то идиотский ..  

message: Мартышка не знает што такое "Биология". Но очень ловко вертит - да хоть хвостом! 
Артисту надо бы хоть раз пройти курсом "Технарей". 
Так написал Михайло Великоломоносов !! ;) 
Стоит здание "МГУ" горой. Внизу студенты. Как мартышки. ))) 
.. 
176.59.204.57 (talk) 10:11, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Мартышка и очки" ..  

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