Talk:Fullmetal Alchemist/Archive 2

message: I was surprised when I noticed that this article didn't make any references to the Humunculus' being named after the Seven Deadly Sins. In addition, one character is named Dante, possibly after the Italian author of the Divine Comedy, in which part two of the story (taking place in Purgatory) is divided by the seven deadly sins, there are also refrences to it in part one (the inferno). Also, the character Dante lives in the woods (where crutial information regarding the plot is given to Ed), the opening lines to the inferno are as follows: 'Midway upon the journey of our life / I found myself within a forest dark, / For the straightforward pathway had been lost.' [let it be noted that's a horrible, horrible translation and should not be used in a real article]. In addition, the 'Gate of Alchemy' closely resembles that of the 'Gate to Hell' in the story, I'm sure some high-res screen caps will reveal the inscription written by Dante on it. There is also a specific teir of hell devoted to the alchemists, in the story. There are probably some other references to the book in the anime, but those are the most obvious.
:I am even more surprised that even while knowing you wouldn't just go and update the article by yourself. :P
:But that was actually good. Discussion is the place to talk off-topic. Article should be just descriptive and link things, not make critical analysis, specially when it's so obvious. ;)
:--Cacumer 04:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References to 'The Divine Comedy'

message: Fano plane Look familiar? Hackwrench 03:47, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So transmutation circles happen to use geometric designs, so what? Coincidence, nothing more. --ACDragonMaster 03:57, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fano Plane 

message: Does anyone think that the characters are symbolic to various groups in real life?
When you think about it, some of the characters seem to emulate various groups.
Take for instance the Homoculli.  Could they represent a form of Illuminati, a group of conspirators who cause chaos and discord for their own purpose in which relating to the anime, the desire to become human?
Then you have the Ishbal, which is derived from [Ishvara], a Hindu philosophical concept of God.  Could the Ishbalans be a representation of the Eastern world which is struggling to find peace with the West?
What about the military?  Could the military represent the Western world, used as a puppet for the Illuminati that used them to further their agenda by creating the Philosopher's Stone, and critized for policing the world?
There is alot of parallelism in this series that is worthing thinking about.
--Bushido Hacks 06:09, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The military are a fairly clear representation of, well, the real-world military mindset, which attempts and ultimately fails tragically to offer adequate means for uniting different people with different worldviews so that they may all contribute for a greater and valid cause.  I do not see any particular reason to associate the Homunculi with the Illuminati or the Ishbalians with any specific culture or religious concept. Maybe you could offer some more evidence. Luis Dantas 06:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character representation 

message: I was wondering if the surname of the Elric bothers is based on the Elric novels by Fantasy-author Michael Moorcock. Maybe its worth researching.
Greets,
Maverick Hunter 09:37, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the Elric of Melnbone articles mentions the Elric brothers from FMA... personally, I've never heard of it. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 20:06, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Elric is a rather complex character.  It is possible to find something relating to him in most any fantasy protagonist.  The most significant resemblances to Edward and Alphonse's family may be their tendency to deal with enchantments with terrible prices.  Also, both varieties of Elrics display an alarming tendency to lose companions to terrible fates. Luis Dantas 23:07, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elric Brothers vs. Elric of Melniboné 

message: I don't think it's false or anything, but it seems highly unencyclopedic, and the expanse of unformatted text just looks plain ugly. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 16:17, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Reformatting it and moving it to its own article is probably the way to go.  I will give it a try. Luis Dantas 18:40, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks fine. We might have a problem if a deletionist comes along and nominates it for deletion, but for now it should be okay. Needs some wikification though. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 02:41, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What to do with the Trading card game section? 

message: Now that whoever wants the fansub translations has gotten their way on "indeliable sin/unerasable sin", they seem to have started on the next item on the list "to the other side of the door" is official while "beyond the door" is fansub. As before, they have changed the title without comment and its likely that any attempt to change it back will simply result in another edit war. Since the tendency is to accomodiate these people, I've added both titles now.  - anon January 2, 2006
:Hey, by the way, you should get a user account. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 22:59, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that. TomStar81 06:15, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  to the other side of the door/beyond the door 

message: I've added more songs to the "Other Releases in Music" section. I translated the titles of 時計, そして今日も世界は, and パパと遊ぼう myself, so I'm not sure if I am correct on them. I'm pretty sure I was wrong with the そして今日も世界は one (I thought it means 'And Today too World'...). These songs haven't been translated online yet, so can the people who understand japanese give us the best translations?
szupie 01:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song/Music Title Translations 

message: I noticed that the story summary uses both past and present verb tenses, making the text an awkward mix of the two. For example (italics added for emphasis):
:Their attempt costs Alphonse his entire body and Edward his left leg. In a desperate effort to save his brother, Edward sacrificed his right arm to "Affix" his brother's soul to a suit of armor.
The story should be told in one tense or the other. I personally prefer keeping it in the present tense:
:Their attempt costs Alphonse his entire body and Edward his left leg. In a desperate effort to save his brother, Edward sacrifices his right arm to "Affix" his brother's soul to a suit of armor.
The background information about the parents' prior deaths can remain in past tense, because they did after all occur in the past.
--Tachikoma 03:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Story summary verb tenses 

message: User 67.168.242.235 keeps changing the chapter title to "A Sin is Born anew" or "a Sin is Born Anew". Since I'm very prejudice against people who don't bother to even change the case of letters, it makes me doubt that this user has the correct information. But I'm sure he's at least partially right about the title. In the manga, there is no clearly stated title, but instead, there are 2 lines of text where we would think the title should go. I've been trying to include both the first and second line into the title, but 67.168.242.235 disagrees with me, and thinks it should be only the second line. Could anyone--especially 67.168.242.235--clarify what would be considered the title and what would not? Oh, and 67.168.242.235: Sorry if I offended you in any way... I'm not a stubborn person, so if you can explain to me what you're doing, I'd gladdly accept it if it's right.szupie 13:04, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manga chapter guide - Chapter 55 

message: Didn't Adult Swim show a few episodes where the third intro (featuring "Undo" by Cool Joke was used? This is contrary to what's in the article. --Tachikoma 20:29, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. Got every episode digital recorded on my cable box and I can vouch for this not being the case. Papacha 04:01, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adult Swim intro question 

message: The "Story" section is incomplete as it only tells the beginning of the story. In my opinion, the summary of the whole story should be included.
--210.0.198.76 10:04, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Story" section took its current form after a number of alternatives were tried. A full summary is not presented on this page because it would break the policy on spoilers on this page. Also, the extensive story section always degenerated into an episode guide over time. Now that there is an episode guide page, there is even less reason to do a long summary on this page. 69.144.103.34 09:03, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Summary of the whole series? That would be unnecessary, I think. The story section on this article is just an introduction to the series. There is another page, however, with summaries of every episode, so it should cover the whole story, eventually... once people add summaries of the last few episodes, that is. If we tried to include the whole story on the main Fullmetal Alchemist article, it would get way too big. --Wikivader 23:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree with Wikivader. If you want summary of the manga story, well, be bold and create a Chapters of Fullmetal Alchemist page. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 23:46, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please expand "Story" 

message: I've listed some info on the English DVDs. (Titles, the episodes they contain, etc.) I don't know much about the DVD info for other regions, so other people will have to chip in, if I missed anything important. (Since this is the English section of Wikipedia, listing detailed information about anything other than the original Japanese and the English translation is probably unnecessary.)
I already mentioned in the article that MVM has only released five volumes in the UK. But all the other Funimation info (titles, episode numbers) should still apply. We might, however, need another list for the Japanese DVDs, because the titles are probably different, and I think they also contain different episodes. (According to one website I saw, the Japanese Volume 1 contains two episodes, not four.)
And one last thing -- in case anyone's wondering about the capitalization in the titles I listed, I am quite sure that it's correct. On both the DVD boxes AND the official Fullmetal Alchemist website, the word "the" in volumes 1, 4, and 5 is NOT capitalized, even though it is the first word. --Wikivader 19:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD Information 

message: Do we really need a complete episode list (even though we have an episode guide article)? If we do, do we really need it to be a single columned list? Multiple columns would be more compact. --maru  (talk) contribs 01:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Episode guide 

message: Anyone can tell me how in the hell I could write that title in english correctly? That's the closest I could get to the name they say, in japanese, in the anime, about the Equivalent Exchange rule. toka koka?
--Cacumer 03:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's tōka kōkan, or touka koukan. szupie 15:01, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "toka koka"? 

message: Do you think somewhere in the article that it should point out the significant and minor differences between the manga and the anime?  I've been keeping track of the manga up through Volume 7 and have already found about twenty differences to the anime.  It should also be mentioned that the anime's episodes 3-12 are all a compilation of flashbacks, while the manga had bits and parts.  Plus, the anime was extended with characters such as Psiren.  Please go on my Talk Page to give me an answer.  Barfing RabbitBarfing Rabbit 02:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The anime and manga totally diverge in later storylines. The basic premise, however, is the same. I don't think that information is necessary on this page (but the character pages have lots of answers). 67.85.62.196 02:28, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime and manga differences 

message: Do you think some characters should have their own articles?  I think Ed needs his own article the most.  Barfing Rabbit 3/15/06
: Perhaps, but if one goes, the rest of them probably should go to (and we abolish the main characters page). — Edward Z. Yang(Talk) 19:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Character(s): Separate bios? 

message: I run Edwardelric.com, which contains a complete episode guide, an assortment of trivia and other information. Does anyone mind if I add it to the links at the bottom of this article? --Jonathan Drain 23:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like a pretty nice site to me. I know I wouldn't revert it. --maru   (talk)  contribs 06:00, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  edwardelric.com 

message: Couldn’t someone put a nice big picture next to the TOC or at the top to make the article look more professional or at least to make better use of space. Tbsw 08:15, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox extends too far down. I'm not exactly sure I understand what you're requesting. — Edward Z. Yang(Talk) 19:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvement 

message: I don't understand why Greed doesn't have a little summary, when even Gluttony does. I think that if you're going to include all of them, you mind as well include Greed and Wrath. 128.6.175.86 20:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, we do include all of the homunculi on Homunculi of Fullmetal Alchemist. The summaries for Greed and Wrath are not included because they do not appear until later in the series. — Edward Z. Yang(Talk) 19:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character section 

message: Really who posted these?
    * Volume 01: The Begining of the story(Ep. 1-4)
    * Volume 02: Scarred Lesbian of the West(Ep. 5-8)
    * Volume 03: Death of Mustang (Ep. 9-12)
    * Volume 04: The Fall of Jesus (Ep. 13-16)
    * Volume 05: The Cost of Giving: Gay Pride (Ep. 17-20)
    * Volume 06: Captured Homos (Ep. 21-24)
    * Volume 07: Reunion on Cock Island (Ep. 25-28)
    * Volume 08: The Altar of Chuck Norris (Ep. 29-32)
    * Volume 09: Pain and Your mom (Ep. 33-36)
    * Volume 10: Journey To Heaven (Ep. 37-40)
    * Volume 11: Becoming The Holy: Ed Marries the Tree (Ep. 41-44)
    * Volume 12: Sacrifice (Ep. 45-48)
    * Volume 13: Death of Jesus (Ep. 49-51)
Can anyone get the real information in there?
:It's clearly vandalism. I'll look into it. — Edward Z. Yang(Talk) 19:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: False Information

message: The chapter guide is too much of a detailed good part of the article and looks clumsy. I propose splitting it into a separate list article to improve the general style of the main article. Deryck C. 08:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I second. Be bold. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 00:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split Article