Talk:Australian art

message: Added a link to Bill Henson - there's already an article about him so a link seems like a good idea. Maybe there should be a sub-section or even an article on Australian photogrpahers, but I don't think I'm the one to do it.PiCo 02:01, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photography 

message: Expanded the stub for RD - please have a look and tell me what you think
:Very nicely done, its a good article now. It would help if you included links or references for the quotes though. Cfitzart 00:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have commented on the article at Talk:Russell Drysdale.  --Robert Merkel 02:14, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artists articles: Drysdale and after 

message: Added an article on the Antipodeans Group. Baased largely on Bernard Smith's Australian Painting 1788-1990 and on the 2 websites linked at the end of the article. Any edits welcomed
Incidentally, I came across this site, which is about the best little potted history of Australian art I've seen. I wonder how we can use it - add it as a link to the main article?  PiCo 09:43, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ive added links to the antip group from the artists which were in it, the history is good, maybe a mention of the Sydney 9 that it mentions should be in the antip article too. Ive also started Angry Penguins but its pretty basic now Cfitzart 14:40, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antipodeans 

message: It was mentioned before about making a separate article for the list, thought it was more complete now so I made it at List of Australian artists Cfitzart 09:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  list article 

message: There's a problem trying to write about Ab. art here - you end up saying either too much or too little. Maybe better to make clear in the intro that this article is about post-settlement Aust. art, and include the link to the full article on Aboriginal art for those who want that?  PiCo 11:38, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aboriginal art 

message: Or should that be "aboriginals" and "white Australians?" It is optional.  I don't know what the convention should be for this article. 
Achmedpurple (talk) 06:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Aboriginals" and "White Australians": noun or adjective? 

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message: In 2003 Elinor and Fred Wrobel converted a pub into a museum for their friend, the abstract artist John Passmore (1904-1984).  It is one of the few museums in Australia dedicated solely to one artist's life and work.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Achmedpurple (talk • contribs) 15:26, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Passmore 

message: need a section on these artists  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Achmedpurple (talk • contribs) 01:23, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frank Hinder, Grace Crowley 

message: Hello, seeking feedback on a new page on feminist art in australia, please do contribute... australian feminist art timeline. i've added a link to this under 'see also'. thanks all.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Femarttimeline (talk • contribs) 05:01, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  feminist art 

message: Thanks to HappyWaldo for the suggestion - the article needs subsections to break it up. I suggest these should not be about individual artists - even major artists probably should not have enough text to warrant their own subsection in such a broad overview. Options are to have subsections about: 
* particular periods
* movements
* not to organise it chronologically at all, but use other types of headings for example:
**Europeans in the antipodes (really a kind of early chronological category)
**Indigenous art
**Painting and drawing
**Sculpture
**New media
**Galleries, organisations and exhibitions
**Prizes, scholarships and awards / support for the visual arts
**Major movements
**Impact of Australian art internationally
**...or something like that
French art  uses the approach of movements within a chronological framework. Visual arts of the United States is similar, though not a great article in terms of comprehensiveness. I think the "notable figures" section at the end of that article is a bad idea. I suggest movements within periods, plus occasional other headings as required (a section on galleries etc after the whole chronological section. Other views? hamiltonstone (talk) 23:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your clean up work. I agree the article structure can be improved and "movements within periods" is a good way to do it. I think some chronological structure still works and suggested headings could be:
**1) Pre-European Indigenous art
**2) Painting and drawing:
***European explorers and the colonial period (1600-1901)
****Subsection: The Heidelberg School and Australian Federation (1870-1901)
***Early 20th Century (1901-1945)
***Post War period (1945-1980)
****Subsection: Indigenous styles impact Western traditions (1945-1980) [Here talk about Hermannsburg School & Western Desert Art Movement etc]
***Late 20th and early 21st century (1980-2010)
**3) Sculpture
**4) New media
**5) Galleries, organisations and exhibitions
**6) Prizes, scholarships and awards Ozhistory (talk) 04:16, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm comfortable with something like that except I wouldn't separate sculpture out, but integrate it into that historical structure.hamiltonstone (talk) 07:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding images, I would suggest tallying the numer of times a particular work appears in Australian art books, such as Bernard Smith's Australian Painting and Robert Hughes' The art of Australia, so only the best and/or most important Australian works are featured. - HappyWaldo (talk) 11:26, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  time to develop more structure 

message: It seems near impossible to begin improving this article in its current state. It is by far the longest national art article, but one of the least informative. The structure and sheer length is bewildering, the text an incoherent list of random (mostly unsourced or poorly sourced) trivia that doesn't tell much of anything. The only way of saving it I can think of would be having several editors write seperate (previously discussed and decided upon) sections from scratch in sandboxes and then piecing them together. - HappyWaldo (talk) 03:28, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The attacks aren't necessary. I never claimed to be an expert on Australian art, which is why I'm cautious to make any bold edits to the article. But I do have a keen interest in Australian art and articles related to it, so I'm making some harmless noises on the talkpage. I only mentioned the Hughes and Smith books as two examples, and suggested tallying mentions/reproductions of paintings in well-known Australian art books to find a consensus on the "best and/or most important" works. Clearly, works can be important and far from "the best". Take for example Benjamin Duterrau's The Conciliation, Australia's first historical epic. So your lecture on art criticism/fawning was pointless. Perhaps my initial gripes with the article were over the top, I just wouldn't to spark some kind of discussion, do some collaborative "research and thinking". - HappyWaldo (talk) 05:51, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I did add a Duterrau to the Tasmanian Aborigines page, and a Dowling. There are many paintings we could add, but I dont think it's really helpful throwing them all in galleries at the bottom of each section. A good way of organising images would be in multi-image boxes (see right). Not as cluttered, won't leak into other sections, and can fit in more works to compliment the corresponding paragraph and enhance the reading experience. Vincent van Gogh is a good example of that. - HappyWaldo (talk) 10:56, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I don't think painting and photography should be seperated. Both painters and photographers seemed to follow similar styles and capture the same subject matter at the same time. Like Cazneaux and Heysen, or photographers Dupain and Caddy and painters Meere and Freda Robertshaw who depicted Sydney beachgoers as athletic gods of the surf. I know there are books which examine these links much more closely. - HappyWaldo (talk) 11:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  article is too far gone 

message: I've created a list of the most expensive Australian paintings sold at auction, it can be found on my sandbox here. Anyone have suggestions regarding the list's criteria? Should it be limited to paintings sold for over $1,000,000 (which is still something of a milestone in Aus art), or should it be something like the top 50 or top 100? Also should the list have its own article, or be integrated into the Australian art article, perhaps in a [show][hide] template. I think it would make a useful addition to a section on the Australian art market, and will be one way of deciding which artists receive the most coverage in the article. HappyWaldo (talk) 11:54, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Most expensive Australian paintings

message: Here are some things that I think ought to change:
* The sections are still largely disconnected statements and/or value judgements, rather than paragraphs that have a coherent topic.
* the text should provide a narrative of the influences, schools and reactions through various periods. Currently, the sections rarely flow.
* a lot of the most important and general statements (e.g. first para of the Heidelberg school) are completely unreferrenced (the Heidelberg school quotes Sayers, who is not linked, nor footnoted) There are lot of good general Australian Art history books now, so this should not be hard to remedy.
* The Gallery Sections have plenty images that are not very useful. Moreover, the extensive use of many small galleries disrupts the flow (especially when they start sections - e.g. 20th Century)
* Too many artists are mentioned, or have only a trivial fact stated about them. Better to cover the main figures of a movement more thoroughly, and rely on the linked Movement Article to cover the fuller range of artists. (There may be some movement pages that need creation.)
* Very few artworks are referenced directly. I know it is not easy in such high level overview, nor to have it well referenced, but I think it vital. E.g. it is fine to say that the Heidelberg School achieved "a truer sense of light and colour" for the Australian landscape, but it is even better if we can refer to a specific painting and mention some ways that artist is achieving it there (but probably not using "Shearing of the Rams" as an example - it is an indoor view!)
* Some sections, especially contemporary ones, are too long and detailed (WP:RECENT) and should be cut a lot and/or split out to sub-articles.
* Probably a bit too long overall - quite a bit longer than American Art, and longer than Italian, British and French Art pages.
I am happy to help. Other ideas also welcome. I have previously done substantial work on Spanish art and Venetian school (art) pages, but both those were really expansions, which is not really what we need done here at all. So - help welcome! Mozzy66 (talk) 11:29, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some thoughts for improvement 

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message: Please look at my query about two Australian arts publications with similar names, and make suggestions on how they should be handled in Wikipedia. Bjenks (talk) 09:20, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publications query