Talk:Horizontal and vertical writing in East Asian scripts

message: This message was removed from Tokek's talk page and is moved here with links deleted. Since then I have edited it to make it a general discussion. See page history for details.
		 
I noticed the following problems with some edits made by Tokek.
#The English was not correct. I tried to incorporate the valid points in what Tokek said into the existing paragraph in correct English, but following this my rewritten paragraph was destroyed again and replaced with the same badly written one. 
#* You reverted whole sections of my edits. My edits were not primarily about grammar. Hence your edits were not primarily about fixing grammar. —Tokek 01:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I did try to incorporate what you said, I'm sorry if I misrepresented you. --DannyWilde 15:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The usage section has a possibly misleading title, but if you read it, you'll see that it talks about where each type of writing is used. Maybe right-to-left does go in there to some extent, but I think it's an important enough topic to give it its own section. What do you think? --DannyWilde 15:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I've removed the duplicated link as you suggested. I'm not currently editing or watching the stroke order page as I find it difficult to deal with that user. --DannyWilde 15:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks for clarifying. I have been through the article and tidied it and tried to make it basically fit with the new info which came from the Japanese version of the page and my own edits. I hope it says what you wanted to say now. I have also included some information about the first uses of yokogaki which I found in the reference mentioned on the page. --DannyWilde 15:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I think it is in quite good shape now. --DannyWilde 15:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

text: It is definitely the correct interpretation for anything much before the Meiji era. For example in a book I have some right-to-left calligraphy dating back to the thirteenth century. It is not possible to call it migi yokogaki -- there was no notion of yokogaki in Japanese then at all. The only explanation which makes sense is the   one character limit vertical writing one. --DannyWilde 15:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Message to [[User:Tokek]]

message: This article states that 
hidari yokogaki was officially adopted in 1952 with 公用文作成の要領 and that prior to then, hidari yokogaki usage was uncommon.This website has some photo samples of shita yokogaki and ue yokogaki. (Pics are mostly self explanatory.) A relatively recent law in Taiwan stipulates left to right horizontal writing for official documents (BBC News, 4 May, 2004). Tiananmen square has an old sign that reads right-to-left, while newer signs read left-to-right. —Tokek 17:18, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some sources 

message: It's a little dangerous to mix (muddle)? Chinese and Japanese together. As languages they have very little in common. Particularly, things like discussing Chinese and Japanese punctuation in the same paragraph seems extremely misguided to me. At the time of writing this, the page needs much more work on clarifying punctuation differences, but jumbling them together is not a good idea. Also, since the history section specifically refers to Japanese, it's referenced from the book mentioned in the references, a section on the history in China should be added. Trying to recycle the Japanese history into Chinese is bound to lead to problems and confusion later on. --DannyWilde 05:27, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the punctuation section can be reworked. However, Chinese and Japanese already have separate history sections. -- ran (talk) 06:09, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese and Japanese

message: I understand this article was restructured from separate articles for Japanese and Chinese. Nevertheless since it's already restructured and title as such, it should cover other related east Asian scripts, for instance, Korean (hangul and hanja) and Vietnamese (chu nho and chu nom), and possibly, the Khitan script, etc. — Instantnood 14:38, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but unfortunately I have no idea how things work in those languages, so I couldn't really say anything about them when I restructured the article. -- ran (talk) 17:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Korean and Vietnamese

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message: I have a theory that facial masking elements provide us with horizontal or vertical alignment/reference elements, creating a preference for reading directions. For an overview check these topics on my site:
1. Different alignment gives a different view more specific Test
2. Visual Grid and the Origin of Ocular Dominance Patterns in V1 
best, Michel sharp  (talk) 10:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Visual Alignment

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http://books.google.com/books?id=pM0tAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=UFZDAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 14:07, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  19th century bilingual japanese english books in vertical script 

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Rajmaan (talk) 14:20, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  19th century bilingual japanese english magazine in horizontal script 

message: The article says: At the beginning of the change to horizontal alignment in Meiji era Japan, there was a short-lived form called migi yokogaki ...  This form was never widely used except for pre-WWII official documents (like banknotes)
However in photographs of pre-WWII Japan, you see huge numbers of signs written horizontally right-to-left; indeed, I've never seen a horizonal sign written left-to-right in a pre-WWII photo.  So at least in commercial signs, etc., such usage was very common.
Does that usage fall outside what's described here, or ...?
--Snogglethorpe (talk) 15:14, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "migiyokogaki" in pre-WWII signs 

message: This section claims that vertical text "probably" only works in Internet Explorer. I can confirm that it works in Google Chrome: at least  produces vertical text. — Gwalla | Talk 21:34, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vertical writing on the web 

message: This sentence makes no sense. You don't read a previously created sign differently just because another system was adopted later. The sign still only makes sense one way. --188.99.140.78 (talk) 04:31, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Therefore, before the end of World War II in Japan, those signs were read right to left. 

message: Is there an article on vertical writing in Central Asian scripts, i.e. the Old Uyghur alphabet and its descendants like the Mongolian script, the Manchu alphabet, and Clear script? If not, I wonder if this article could be made more general by adding information on these scripts. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 11:09, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vertical writing in Central Asian scripts 

message: Aren't there ambiguous texts where the reader can't (at least initially) tell if it is intended to be read left-to-right or right-to-left?
Can they be the source of humor?
--Error (talk) 12:32, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Left to right and right to left 

message: There are a lot of writing systems in the world to use vertical writing, (left to right top to bottom), (right to left top to bottom), (left to right bottom to top), and (right to left bottom to top).
‘’Left to right, vertical, top to bottom’’
* Old Elamite
* Manchu
* Mongolian 
* Oirat
* Clear Script
* Phags-pa
* Sogdian
* Sutton SignWriting
* Uyghur
‘’Right to left, vertical, top to bottom’’
* Chinese
* Chữ-nôm
* Japanese
* Korean
* Kulitan
* Meroïtic (Hieroglyphic script)
* Nushu
* Tangut (Hsihsia)
‘’Left to right, vertical, bottom to top’’
* Batak
* Hanuno'o
* Tagbanwa
‘’Right to left, vertical, bottom to top’’
* Ancient Berber
This could be the breakdown on how a Vertical script page could go.Doremon764 (talk) 04:54, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Having a page that talks about vertical writing in general