Talk:List of museums in Oregon

message: This list of museums in the state was separated from List of museums in the United States on January 07, 2008. Please see List of museums in the United States for all history prior to that date.
Feel free to include Template:Infobox Museum when adding or editing articles on individual museums. Noroton (talk) 02:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: General Information

message: In February 2008 at Talk:List of museums in the United States, a consensus was reached on this statement on what kind of institutions to include on state museum-list articles:
:Historic houses or halls of fame may be listed if they function as or include public museums -- see Biltmore Estate, Plumb House, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and Baseball Hall of Fame for examples. Art galleries that function primarily to sell art should not be listed, but public art museums that use "gallery" as part of their name may be listed. Nature centers and botanical gardens may be listed only if they contain historical or educational exhibits in a museum format.
Also inappropriate for this list are planetariums, aquaria and zoos, which have their own lists. Please follow these criteria when considering additional items for this list, or suggest changes at Talk:List of museums in the United States. Keep in mind there are lists for institutions similar to museums, as noted in the See also section of this article. Noroton (talk) 02:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion criteria

message: So, presently this is set up in alphabetical order by museum name but wouldn't organization by location make more sense? Obviously it was previously when Oregon was separated from List of museums in the United States. I'll wait for a response and do it myself if there are no objections. 198.6.46.11 (talk) 21:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Support Sure, why not? As long as it still looks OK. I'm not crazy about the icons either (we could just as easily organize by museum type though), but we should see if there is consensus about that. BTW, Mr./Ms. Symantec, have thought about getting an account? Katr67 (talk) 23:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have one but I always forget the password and everything I want to do works fine without one. 198.6.46.11 (talk) 16:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Found my account, needed it to sandbox, here is what I had in mind http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WNW3/Sandbox biggest problem with this format is what to do about cities that are in more than one county WNW3 (talk) 18:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That could work, with some cleanup, and without the list all mushed together, as it is currently, maybe the icons would be more helpful than distracting. For starters, prune out all the settlements from the NRHP list you're not going to use, then figure out the primary county each city is in (NRHP list has things in the "vicinity" of the nearest settlement, which may or may not be in a different county from the historic site). Salem is primarily Marion County and that's where the museums are, Portland in Multnomah, etc. Though I'm not sure you need to go so far as to organize it by counties--the list isn't currently that long, after all. Why not run this by the folks at Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Oregon? Katr67 (talk) 20:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in the process of doing that now. I'm also going through all the listed cities and finding museums and adding them. If no museums I'm dropping the cities. I'll run it past Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Oregon once I finish. WNW3 (talk) 20:25, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Organization

message: If someone can find a better list of museums than at allOregon.com or if this list becomes more complete (i.e. fewer redlinks), can we remove this link? Though not blatantly commercial, I don't think it's the most reliable source and I avoid using it when better sources can be found.  Katr67 (talk) 02:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Go right ahead. I thought it would be marginally useful to have, but I've got no problem with removing it. When I found it I was actually searching around for an Oregon state tourist authority museum list (those tend to be the kind that are most accurate and complete), but I still haven't found one yet. Noroton (talk) 02:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not that offended by it, and it's handy for now, until this list surpasses it in usefulness! TravelOregon.com is probably your best bet for an "official" site (from the State's tourism commission); I didn't look to see if they have a comprehensive list. Katr67 (talk) 03:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. All I see there are search functions, none of which turns up a single list of all museums in the state (at least that I can find). They do have regional listings, and I've incorporated into regional designations in other state lists like List of museums in Idaho, List of museums in Montana and List of museums in Mississippi. Noroton (talk) 03:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  allOregon.com 

message: My plan is to work on the list for the rest of this week, when I hope to be done (I'll leave a note here when I'm done). I still haven't decided which regions to put some museums in because I wanted to start going through both the museum association website and the Explore Oregon feature of the state tourist website. Also to be done is to list the regions in a separate section with a description, as in List of museums in Montana and List of museums in Idaho. I'll also expect to add website links for all the items without Wikipedia articles, add very brief descriptions at that point and add entries in the "Type" column (looking at the websites makes sure that's accurate, it's easy to mistake these). I normally work alone, and I'd expected just to get the job done in a week and hand it over to you guys, but if you'd like to help, I'm fine with that (although it's better if we don't edit at the same time because of edit conflicts). I expect to be editing in the early evenings (Eastern Time). I'll put up an in-use tag when I'm working on it.
* Done. Noroton (talk) 00:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing plans

message: Here are some of the reasons for the changes to the article over the past week (of course, any edits here can be changed and should be looked over):
* Removed some items that I could conclude were not, in fact, museums. They should all be noted in the edit summaries.
* Retained or added some items still on the list that appear to be existing museums, but a Web search only confirms their existence, nothing more. I assume Wikipedia articles can be written about all the items now on the list (the common standard for inclusion of items on a list), from sources others can find; any real museum, even the smallest, will have sufficient sources, at least in local newspapers.
* I'm doubtful, but I'll leave it to others to decide whether or not the Astoria Column and Oregon City Municipal Elevator are really museums.
* The "Museums and organizations encompassed by Antique Powerland Museums" section is meant to help someone looking for, say, the "Northwest Vintage Car and Motorcycle Museum". That museum and most of the others within the "Antique Powerland Museums" group are not on the sortable table because I doubt there will be enough sourcing to support an independent article on it, but it also explains what the Antique Powerland Museums group is about, without creating a huge paragraph in the sortable table.
* The Oregon Museum Association regions are used, partly because Northwesterner1 really wanted it and put it together for me. I think the Regions column accurately reflects the description of the region boundaries, but the Mt. Hood/Gorge, Central and Portland Metro boundaries are confusing to me and it would be helpful if someone could double check that.
* The page is long at about 92K, which is not preferred, but not unprecedented, either. Some other state museum lists are just as long. It's important to keep the Summary column entries short.
* The "Type" entries are primarily meant to help sort similar museums together, so the first words and phrases must be relatively general; since the "History - Local" type is so widespread, the sorting function is less useful for that group, so when the websites gave me a clue that there was something more than a small proportion of a museum devoted to some other subject, I listed that subject first (therefore: "Natural history / History - Local" instead of "History - Local / Natural history", so that when sorted for Type, the item will appear under "Natural history"). Otherwise, the primary type was put first in that box. (Confusing enough?) Noroton (talk) 00:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow! Thanks for all the hard work. I fixed a few minor errors that I noticed. I should note also that I'm not tied to the Oregon Museum Association regions, so if anyone wants to switch things up, be my guest; I was just trying to provide you with something clear to go by, and the OMA list has the added benefit of being divided by county in most cases. I think these regions line up pretty well with most folks' sense of things, but when in doubt, and outside source helps draw the line. There are a few tough calls in the Portland Metro area. Sandy could go either way, as could Molalla/Canby in southern Clackamas County. But really this list is in great shape. Thanks for giving us some incentive to turn some red links blue! Northwesterner1 (talk) 03:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

text: GOOD WORK!!! 71.193.243.8 (talk) 05:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Explanation of recent edits

message: * Things I've never seen before in any other state: Vacuum cleaner museum, Hat museum, Velveteria Museum of Velvet Paintings. (If you don't have an article on the Velveteria within four months, I'm doing it for you. That's a gem, and I already know it's notable (see the website, which has independent articles). It ranks with the unfortunately defunct Madison Museum of Bathroom Tissue.)
* Absolutely charming museums: Petersen Rock Garden & Museum (some guy's crazy, passionate hobbyhorse turned into something unexpected that people pay money to see), Asher Car Museum (about the same, but not weird), Kidd's Toy Museum (next door to the family auto parts store, and apparently one world-class toy collection). Neither of these last two does any publicizing, apparently, and they don't have websites, but these kinds of places attract interest and, inevitably, good sources. The last two don't even charge admission. The Manuel Museum is another interesting one. Noroton (talk) 00:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting stuff that might make for good articles

message: I've visited Zane Grey's cabin on the Rogue River several times.  The river guides described it as a museum, but it's always locked.  That's rather academic though:  it's so small, one can see the whole interior by looking in the windows.  Does it qualify for this list?  I found useful sources for an article about the cabin, but none of them calls it a "museum".  Oregonian travel bit, EarthTrust press release, Seattle Times travel feature.  —EncMstr (talk) 06:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zane Grey's cabin 

message: From the header museums are "defined for this context as institutions...that collect and care for objects of cultural, artistic, scientific, or historical interest and make their collections or related exhibits available for public viewing." In this instance the institution would be the City of Astoria, the objects of historical interest would be A) the Column itself B) The brass topographical map of Astoria and surrounding areas C) The monument to Astoria being the first location to have commercial Cable Television in the US and D) the Native-American replica dugout canoe made of concrete. This information is from memory but I believe it is accurate. The collection is open to public viewing 365 days a year from dawn until dusk. Is it a traditional museum? No, but I believe it still deserves inclusion on this list.  WNW3 (talk) 02:23, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The question is not whether or not you believe it is a museum, or I believe it is, or if Bob Dole thinks it is or is not. It comes down to reliable sources, not what you recall mixed in with your personal thoughts on what a museum is or is not. And that really covers all the listings. So, if you think it is a museum, then find some reliable sources that say so, as the article itself is not in a museum category and does not mention museum. But do note, if we go by your definition you synthesized from the header, this list will get really long as every display case at the local mall/local school/local government office will then be a museum. My local library has some items of artistic interest in the form of a locally-famous mural constructed of wood by the local inmates in addition to several metal sculptures outside and replicas of the former ferry inside in display cases, but I still think it is only a library and not a museum. As a museum "is a building or institution which houses a collection of artifacts" I don't think the library qualifies as these are not really a collection, and I have yet to come across sources calling it a museum. As to the Column, concrete replicas are not really a collection nor artifacts, and being a famous landmark just makes it a landmark and not a museum. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the Astoria Column a museum? 

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