Talk:Yeshivah of Flatbush

message: You're doing a nice job on this page, DLand.  I've converted your by-hand infobox into a templated one, which should make it easier to edit and read the code for; this one also has a bunch of optional fields you might want to fill in, as see over at :Template talk:Infobox Secondary school. /blahedo (t) 04:15, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. This should do for now. --DLandTALK 04:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: I'm pretty sure that there are more notable people who graduated Flatbush...please help compile a longer list. Thanks.David Betesh 14:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable alumni

message: If anyone has a reliable source for Meir Kahane having attended Flatbush like me!!, then re-add him to the list. For now, I am removing his name. --DLandTALK 17:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kahane 

message: I know many people love flatbush but I think a section should be dedicated to the wrongs and flaws in philosophy of this far from excellent institution. Maybe a mention about Robert Avrech's website/blog (Sephardic Secrets) about his experience at flatbush and the many comments on the page that validate what Avrech is talking about. I myself have strong words of commentary on the way yeshivah of flatbush is run and was wondering if any one else had similar feelings   
:I have read Avrech's website. Most of the accusations and allegations there are highly anecdotal and would not qualify as a reliable source. By the way, it's Seraphic Secrets, not Sephardic Secrets. --DLandTALK 05:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Downside/evilside of Flatbush

message: I believe that rule 4 states:
"Respect other contributors. Wikipedia contributors come from many different countries and cultures, and have widely different views. Treating others with respect is key to collaborating effectively in building an encyclopedia. (See Wikipedia:Civility, Wikipedia:Etiquette, Dispute resolution.) "
Steven Esses' turn as president deserves to be recognized, and rightfully so. Your continued attempts to stop the publishing of articles about him should be stopped immediately. I am personally disgusted by the lack of freedom of speech. Nothing printed has been false, and until the day I die it will be my personal goal to make sure the truth lives on. I find it most appropriate to quote Mr. Esses here, for as he said, "if the truth fails to be heard by the ears of the young, they will never grow to be mouths of the old." Good night and good luck. 
-Deep Throat —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiggum613 (talk • contribs) 
:See Wikipedia:Notability, Wikipedia:Importance and Wikipedia:Vandalism. --DLandTALK 03:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Note on Wikipedia Rules

message: Concerning the Hagaddah, Dr. Wolowelsky is quoted as saying "Yeshivah of Flatbush is responsible for publishing the first Sephardic Hagaddah in North America ever". He said so in class, and there is no need for further citations. David Betesh
:I believe you, David, but that's not verifiable. Maybe you can try to dig up some kind of written documentation. --DLandTALK 02:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Citation needed"

message: Baruch Goldstein never graduated yeshivah of flatbush... he left in his junior year through a program to attend YU one year in advance. Therefore he isn't considered an alumnus.Orel dagmy 23:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alumnus means former student, not graduate. Change was reverted. Alansohn 23:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baruch Goldstein 

message: You can't remove one of the biggest stories to ever hit that high school just because it is bad for Flatbush's PR. What else in Flatbush history recieved the same amount of attention and media coverage? You should be ashamed, it is an abuse of your power. You can't remove the Vietnam War from American history because it didn't reflect well on the United States. Please put the story back in the Flatbush page.
::Perhaps the inclusion of the possibility of the email being fraudulent should be included?  If nothing else stop deleting it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.155.61.2 (talk) 16:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Stat Story From Flatbush Page 

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thread_title:  also, as long as editing is disabled... 

message: might it be a good idea to add the schools various newspapers/magazines?  I've seen other schools do it and it looks nice.Slapshot01j 00:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it, if you're up to it. There is other information that could be added that is of a higher priority, though. A good model for a top-notch article on a high school is Stuyvesant High School - it's a featured article on Wikipedia. --DLandTALK 15:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also compared to Flatbush Stuyvesant is a top notch high school, not just its article, Flatbush no longer lives up to its reputation. Asthenization-Creator 20:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What does that have to do with anything? We are talking about adding information about Flatbush, not comparing it to Stuyvesant as a school. --DLandTALK 20:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing really, just putting down Flatbush, similar to how you keep trying to agrandize it Asthenization-Creator 20:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I posted the publications I could come up with.  Didn't take that long, so don't feel bad erasing it if you deem it necessary.Slapshot01j 00:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  School Publications 

message: The bit about him leaving to Ramaz is quite irrelevant here.  At the conclusion of the school year, that entire section will be re-assessed, but for now it should remain as it was before —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.4.115.3 (talk) 17:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  re: Daniel Henkin 

message: who the heck is bryan eisenberg? sounds like hes marketing his stuff through wikipedia. i am taking him off.
THEMlCK 07:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  notable alumni 

message: sorry to break in on all this. out of curiosity, what is the hagler incident?
its ok to go through a page and edit for writing and suchlike, right? i did a lot of that last night, with maybe a factual wrinkle or two, which id of course submit to being taken down if it were thought they should be. (is that even a choice? yeesh...) ZevWil 23:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Editing a page for writing is not only okay, it's what we're all about.  As for your other question - earlier in the year there were one or two people who were lobbying to have an incident regarding a current Flatbush student, featured on the wikipedia page.  As you can see above, it was agreed upon that this is not worthy to appear on the page, and discussion is closed on the matter.Slapshot01j 23:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  editing issues 

message: The phrase "shrinking Modern Orthodox, Religious Zionist" is POV and I substituted Ashkenazic for now.Slapshot01j 00:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Student Demographics 

message: i know its nice to find a source (r' altshul-related one) that refers to flatbush, particularly when its so positive. however, even with the way its phrased now, its almost an unfair plug. for one thing, the piece seems to be outlining r' altshul's cv, praising him and his accomplishments at every step, not so much for the school itself. i dont mean to turn this into a discussion of flatbush's merit, but how many people see flatbush in the same light at this point? hebrew education is still near-unparallelled, but on the whole, it seems ramaz and some of the others rock yof. thoughts? ZevWil 03:36, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Zevwil, the page refers to flatbush as one of the most selective and demanding schools of its kind in North America.  As far as Modern Orthodox Jewish day schools go, I don't think that statement is controversial, flatbush vs. ramaz arguments aside.Slapshot01j 00:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

text: As for the source?  You are correct, I'm sure there is a better source out there somewhere.  If you can find one, feel free to make the switch.Slapshot01j 00:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  flatbush selectivity/demandingness 

message: Hmm...I was looking through the page history and couldn't pinpoint when the point about the DVD was removed. Anybody?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bilditup1 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The piece about the DVD was deleted, because it was completely unverifiable.  The line about the Summit dedication was also deleted, because there was nothing contraversial about it.  IMO, the controversy section is just fine the way it is.Slapshot01j 00:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Once again, wikipedia is not interested in truth, it is interested in verifiability.  Please refer to WP:V, and read the opening line.  While we personally are in agreement that this was likely the reason for the delay, it is - to use your own word - "speculated," and as such has no place on the wikipedia page.Slapshot01j 00:54, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: stadtmauer and 2005 dvd

message: As for the claim we make about the Haggaddah, all we need is a proper reference to the Haggadah itself, as Rabbi Harary and Rabbi Kassin both make the claim in it that it is, indeed, the first Passover Haggadah printed in North America for Sephardic Jewry. I'll dig up the book next time I go back to BK and post it here then...
-eli
(Unless the book itself is not a good source but for pete's sake, none of us are going to go through old news articles to verify this.) Bilditup1 14:49, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: on the haggaddah

message: Shouldn't there be a link included to the Phoneix, the schools newspaper...they recently put it online but I lost the link so if anyone has it..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.71.157 (talk) 23:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newspaper 

message: He is listed in the Alumni section. Did he go to flatbush?
THEMlCK (talk) 04:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joel Wolowelsky 

message: Why is the article named "Yeshiva of Flatbush" when the school's name is actually spelled "Yeshivah of Flatbush," with an H. I have no idea how to change this. THEMlCK (talk) 18:48, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the page to "Yeshivah of Flatbush." THEMlCK (talk) 22:37, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "yeshiva" instead of yeshivah 

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