Talk:Steam tricycle

message: Added two earlier examples, not a cycling article as such (no evidence of pedals, even in the Parkyns, sources suggest pedal power was replaced by the steam engine, not augmented).  Added link to source article, wikilinks and copyediting, removed picture which is sourced from an in-copyright book from a protected (i.e. not free use) site.  No longer a stub. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 18:08, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Early comment

message: Perhaps a steam wagon should have it's own article, just like the steam tricyle is seperate from motorized bicycle?  --Pat 20:59, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: SOrry about that afformentioned.  Seem like a good inclusion. (I just think the other photo should still be there to show a fair representation.  (almost 100 years later) and then we could put a modern modernised bike?  evolution my friend!  I just though this article will probably eventually want to be merged to the article of tricycle --Pat 21:08, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be surprised if this was ever accepted for merger into tricycle. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 21:31, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow!  what happened to the steam wagon?  We something that doesn't seem to make sense here.  If the ethymology says, tricycle is about late 188ish something, then why is it a tricycle.  Secondly why is there a picture of a wagon tricycle...  whereas we don't even talk about a wagon in our text?  Serious problem here!!  --Pat 05:43, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steam Wagon 

message: New category sugested... I noticed many different articles on trikes, three wheel vehicles, etc... motorized, non-motorized.  There are enough articles to warant a new category.  I will make a list here (if you wish to add any please do so):  --Pat 03:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, if you can find twenty or thirty articles a category is warranted - if it's much less then please don't.  Unless you can find a substantial number of individual articles on tricycles which are not already linked from the tricycle article it will be adding to the burden on the poor old Wikiputers to no practical benefit.  - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 21:41, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Category 

message: *tricycle
*steam tricycle
etc...
:Of course, if you can find twenty or thirty articles a category is warranted - if it's much less then please don't.  Unless you can find a substantial number of individual articles on tricycles which are not already linked from the tricycle article it will be adding to the burden on the poor old Wikiputers to no practical benefit.  - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 21:41, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: list

message: Is it understood through the indented quote that the tricycle was created without pedals at first?  --Pat 04:25, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  without pedals vs with? 

message: Following removed 11 December, 2005:
:One dictionnary states a tricycle "should have pedals".  However, the ethymology sugests that it's simply a vehicle with three wheels.  This is because "Tri" means three and cycle, which is from Greek "kyklos", means "circle, wheel" .  
:* Tricycle: 1828, "three-wheeled horse-drawn carriage," from Fr. tricycle (1827), from tri- + cycle. The pedal-powered version is first attested 1868. Short form trike (on the model of bike) is attested from 1883. 
# The definition of tricycle is properly part of the tricycle article.  I have placed it there.
# The bit about pedals is an interesting curiosity, but the definition in the dictionary says "usually", the one which states it mist have pedals is from WordNet, an experimental cognitive science lexical reference system.  Every dictionary I have seen has a definition which is compatible with steam power.
# Comments re short form trike attested 1883 also belongs in the tricycle article, where I have placed the link.
Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 10:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If those comments belong in tricycle article so does the rest of this article.  I suggest we merge.  --CylePat 14:32, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I also believe the definition is important because it explains the inclusion of the "steam wagon" that you added.  Otherwise I believe the steam wagon doesn't have it's place in this article. Take Note: the ethymological definition is important for the later example because it fall within that period (ie.: the second picture of Léon's steam tricycle)--CylePat 14:38, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Pat, if you think this belongs in tricycle why did you fork in the first place? - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 21:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Because it was a specific vehicle, that I found in a book.  It was called a steam tricycle.  There are many more in that online book, that you can't access.  The article was about steam tricycle, and I didn't foreshadow the possibility of inclusion into an article called tricycle (which is usually a kids pedal-power tricycle).  Steam Tricycle was barely elaborate (2 vehicles) when I started.  Thanks to your knowledge, we now have an excellent article, that seemingly could makes it's place, elsewhere.  Finally, ever since the etymology was added, I've been thinking about that.  We can now argue that this is a simply a tricycle (even though it doesn't necessarily have wheels).  Then again, having a specialized article is, (has always been) my style.  (Their's a first for everything)  One more reason to merge/redirect or at least include a little more information about the steam tricycle (Not that I haven't noticed there is some their already), is to help that article become a featured article.  Finally, I'd like to say, that forking seems to help in development of the main article.--CylePat 03:17, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Found (via Wikipedia:Dead external links/404/s) that this article contained a Dead Link:
* Steam boiler article on steam and early motor tricycles
I have tracked-down the article on the Internet Archive here but it is not now worth linking to (most of the pictures are gone, for example). However, some of the text might be useful for anyone researching steam tricycles, so I have 'rescued' it and reformatted it onto a sub page for easier reference. (See Talk:Steam tricycle/Virtual Canadian Vintage Motorcycle Museum)
EdJogg (talk) 18:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Link removed