Talk:Doctor Who in the United States and Canada

message: Since Howard DaSilva introductions are voiceovers over the original video, not additional video sections, how in the world would material be cut in order to accommodate them? Ken Arromdee 20:15, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The opening introductions are voiceovers, but the teasers provided at the end were composed out of edited clips from the following episode.  I presume the cuts were made to accomodate these.  I'll add something to clarify that.  —Josiah Rowe 21:07, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The opening introductions would sometimes include edited clips from the previous episode beyond the usual cliffhanger recap. It was years before some of us in the US saw the episodes in their entirety. The best example of a cut scene (which most of us had read about in the novelisation of Robot  but hadn't gotten to see) was Tom Baker's trying on three wild costumes before settling on the bohemian attire of his first few seasons.User:MarnetteD | Talk 02:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Howard DaSilva introductions

message: Is this guy's contribution really noteworthy?  Who exactly is he, and how did his decision to broadcast previously unseen episodes in Florida affect the programme's nationwide profile?  His inclusion seems a bit odd to me. —Josiah Rowe 00:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm interpreting that bit correctly, his station was the first to show stories in episodic format. If that's the case, he seems notable to me. I not, then, er, you're right. Oh, look: TJ Lubinsky!--Sean Black Talk 00:57, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, never mind. I don't really care either way (although, I'm working on that stub..).--Sean Black Talk 01:03, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll leave him in the article for now to give whoever put him in a chance to respond.  (I could search through the article history and find out who that is, but I'm too lazy.)  Oh, and I know for a fact that several PBS stations were airing Doctor Who in episode format in the 1980s, so whatever he did in the '90s isn't that.—Josiah Rowe 01:19, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I thought it said "80's", hence the strikeout.--Sean Black Talk 01:22, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Checked the history, it's been there since the inital revision by Khaosworks.--Sean Black Talk 01:25, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Turns out Khaosworks brought it over from the main Doctor Who article. It first appears there in this edit, by an anon user; although that could be somebody who has since registered a username. —Josiah Rowe 01:37, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had very little to do with this article since I imported it from the main page, so I can't speak to the veracity (or lack thereof) of the information. If there's doubt, remove it, I say. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Right.  Lubinsky's gone, and I rewrote the surrounding sections a bit.  I also added a mention of the two PBS stations that still broadcast Doctor Who, according to This Week in Doctor Who. —Josiah Rowe 04:16, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this is a very late addition to this discussion, but, as I remember it the thing that he is most noted for is that his PBS station was the first to air episode one of Pertwee's The Invasion of the Dinosaurs. PBS was resistant to showing any black and white episode of Dr Who, at all, for a long time. When they finally did start it was in the omnibus edition format so without the episode breaks we had to guess where the cliffhangers happened. Even so, they still refused to show the B&W Pertwee episodes if the bulk of the story was in color. This only affected the viewing of this story and Planet of the Daleks, but you should have tried to make sense of the continuity of the latter story without episode 3. When TJ aired the Invasion episode it was quite a coup, whether it was strictly legal to show it was, I think, up for debate. Maybe some wiki member from Florida that encounters this could fill us in.User:MarnetteD | Talk 02:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Much much later but Planet of the Daleks was always a bit chaotic in the US because the black & white episode three confused a lot. The original compilation excised it; however there was also an episodic version which included it but instead omitted six! A replacement full set was sent over but an engineer assumed the black & white three was an error so wiped it and renumbered the episodes accordingly. In the early 1990s Lubinsky managed to get a full episodic version into circulation, albeit by a time when most PBS stations were no longer taking new episodes. I assume Lubinsky was someone who had the knowledge to spot the errors in the prints and contacted the BBC to obtain the correct ones. (By the time he got Invasion 1 it was also circulating in the UK via a satellite station so I presume he made a standard purchase.) Timrollpickering (talk) 02:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  TJ Lubinsky? 

message: I can find numerous posts over the years from various people in rec.arts.drwho who note that they watched it as early as 71/72 (most seem to say 72) on WPHL CHannel 17 in Philadelphia.  Apparently stripped 5 days a week on weeknights ... someone on the RT forum noted that episode 6 of Inferno aierd on Monday 18 September 1972. Was Philadelphia the only place to air in 1972?  Text of article says 1975 ... Nfitz 19:53, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen a few other references to Pertwee episodes being aired in the US as early as 1972-73; apparently it was an unsuccessful attempt and the next US airings didn't occur until PBS started airing the Tom Baker episodes ... but I'm pretty sure that happened after 1975, perhaps as late as 1977 or so. However I do believe Canadian television stations resumed airing Doctor Who (it had been shown by the CBC in the mid-60s) around 1975; these were the reedited versions narrated by Howard DaSilva. 23skidoo 23:14, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I definitely watched Dr. Who on PBS in the Greater Washington D.C. area as a child. I am not sure of the dates, but I graduated from high school in 1975, so it had to be before then.--168.236.43.89 (talk) 20:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First aired in 1975? 

message: Should there be a section added about ratings for the new series? There has been some media reports about the ratings on Sci-Fi. which seemed to drop for the first few weeks, then go up, then drop again ... 23skidoo 03:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ratings?

message: Do we really need to have the full saga of how the BBC announced that Series 1 would be sold on DVD in the US before they finalized the arrangements with Sci Fi, and then delayed the US DVD release accordingly?  After I converted all those references into cite.php format, it occurred to me that perhaps the whole thing could be summarized more succinctly, without spelling out every date and step along the way. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken a whack at it. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 07:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good.  I've just changed "released on schedule" to "released as scheduled", which I think flows a bit better from the previous sentences.  Otherwise, a nice condensation.  Like a gentle spring rain.  (OK, that means it's time for me to sleep.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 07:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series 1 DVD details 

message: I've been noticing some rather obvious cuts for time in the SciFi broadcast. Wikipedia lists the running time for the original BBC broadcasts at 45 minutes. How long are the SciFi broadcasts? Am I missing much? -Anþony 08:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The runtime on the Sci Fi channel is about 41 minutes give or take 10-15 seconds so you are missing about 4-5 minutes (This may not apply to The Christmas Invasion whose 60 minute run time was spread out over an hour and a half). I can recommend getting access to the DVD's because I found that the missing material for the ninth Doctor almost always contained something worth seeing. The extras and the commentary are also worth seeing. This editing for commercials will still apply when the episodes show up on BBC America next month, although they may cut out different scenes than the Sci-Fi channel did. MarnetteD | Talk 11:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SciFi cuts 

message: According to Outpost Gallifrey the WCET (TV)/CET press release says "WCET is currently one of 4 PBS broadcasters in the US airing the classic series" but I can't find this in either the PR on the CET Website, or the one they link to achieved on Yahoo! Groups. Can anyone else find this statement? --GracieLizzie 20:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  4 PBS broadcasters? 

message: The article states: "In fact, until the Sci Fi Channel aired the 2005 series episode "Rose" on cable, no other episode had been made available to multiple American markets simultaneously, by any method of legal broadcast"... but I know this to not be true. 
Sometime in the 90's the SciFi Channel ran the Classic series in it's half-hour serialized format as part of the daytime line up, along with Dark Shadows. While I have a clear memory of these broadcasts, I can find no reference to support my memory. Can anyone help?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Otherland71 (talk • contribs) 13:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct Otherland71. In the mid 1980's during the early days of cable television WOR from New York aired Tom Baker episodes on Saturday mornings. Then when the Sci Fi Channel began broadcasting in 1992 one of its offerings was Doctor Who. The only episodes that they broadcast were Tom Baker's first four seasons. I can't remember whether they left in the Howard da Silva intros or not but they never showed any other Doctors episodes. Later when BBC America began broadcasting in 1998 they repeated this pattern of showing Bakers first four seasons. MarnetteD | Talk 15:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: TransAmerican Broadcasts

message: Is there enough information to justify a separate article for Canada? Type 40 (talk) 16:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not, harder to keep track of things that way.  Incidentally, it began airing from the beginning, in order, in Canada on YTV starting in September of 1989.  Unfortunately the only reference I have other than memory is this:  --HKMarks(T/C) 01:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And Canadian and American histories are closely intertwined as many Canadians in border areas would have seen Doctor Who on PBS stations and many Americans in boarder areas would have seen the show on CBC or TVOntario. 67.68.49.66 (talk) 06:44, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Doctor Who in Canada

message: A lot of the things that are now in the past have been written as if they were happening in the present or even the future, someone with some time should give the article a good cleanup to fix this sort of thing.76.226.129.213 (talk) 00:04, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  needs major cleanup 

message: I think it should be noted somewhere that BBCAmerica edits down any episode over 45 minutes (60 minutes, 75 minutes) to fit an hour broadcast that includes 10+ minutes of commercials. At times, as in The Waters of Mars, it creates a very different, abbreviated version of the original episode. The only exception is The End of Time, Pts. 1 & 2 which BBCA airs in one 3 hour block. There could be edits here, too. I haven't seen the original on DVD.
Other U.S. networks might have done this as well but I don't know, I wasn't watching before Series 7. I just discovered this for myself when it seemed like some of the episodes had plotholes and I discovered that there were quite a number of episodes from the Davies era that were longer than 45 minutes and had to be squeezed into this time slot. 64.134.71.74 (talk) 22:26, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: They were all shown in their full length the first time that they were aired. Later edited versions have been airing since 2006 and are not that notable. Especially given the fact that they exist in DVD, blu-ray and streaming versions. This info is readily available all over the internet. Remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a chat room.MarnetteD | Talk 22:32, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  BBC America's Editing 

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