Talk:Savielly Tartakower

message: I moved the page back to Savielly.  It has been over a month since any discussion of this on the discussion page, and everyone seemed to be in agreement, except for one person.  Also, it seems what is desired by the WP naming convention for the English version.  Bubba73 (talk), 01:13, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  moved back to Savielly 

message: I have two references for Tartakower for the quote about all rook endings being drawn and two references for Tarasch.  Personally I think it sounds more like Tartakower, since his quotes usually have some humor in them.  I think that people may have confused this quote with Tarrasch rule about rooks, so at the present I think Tartakower said it.  Does anyone have any definitive information?  Bubba73 (talk), 18:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I have three for Tarrasch and three for Tartakower.  Bubba73 (talk), 01:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  And I wrote to Soltis, whose book says Tarrasch.  He isn't positive.  He thinks it sounds more like Tartakower than Tarrasch, but he hasn't seen it among Tartakower's quotations.  Bubba73 (talk), 02:31, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rook endings quote 

message: I think "Of course, this is not literally true. He was making a semi-serious comment on the fact that a small advantage in a rook and pawn endgame is less likely to be converted into a win" seems unencyclopedic and WP:OR. I think it should be rewritten as:
"The context of this quote shows it is a comment on the fact that a small advantage in a rook and pawn endgame is less likely to be converted into a win".
--Aminz 04:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  I wrote the original, and your rewording is better.  Make the change.  Bubba73 (talk), 04:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks Bubba197373 --Aminz 05:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editorial comment

message: I think the references should appear separately in each article. Please have a look at the notes and references section of Dhimmi article. I like its organization. Notes come first and they are followed by references. I suggest applying the same thing here. --Aminz 04:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was being lazy about see the other article for the references, I'll put them here.  Bubba73 (talk), 04:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Great. I'll then apply the format of the References/notes in Dhimmi article to it (if you don't mind).--Aminz 05:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know what format Dhimmi uses, since I can't edit it to look at the text.  But I did put these in Harvard Referencing style, the new format.  Bubba73 (talk), 05:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I changed the references I added to the new Harvard Reference system.  Bubba73 (talk), 01:45, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References, Notes 

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: According to Kmoch, T was born to Austrian citizens. He spent considerable time in Austria proper. He spoke no Polish, spent relatively little time in Poland and became a Polish citizen only after Austro-Hungarian Empire disintegrated and his newly-acquired Ukrainian citizenship vanished with the loss of Ukrainian independence.  His native tongue was Russian and he got French citizenship later in life. So, he is no more “Polish Jew” than “Russian Jew”, “Austrian Jew”, or “French Jew”.
The origins of his name from Polish “little Saul” are highly dubious: Saveliy was a common Russian name, while T’s parents had no obvious Polish connections (Austrian citizens who spoke no Polish at home). According to http://www.behindthename.com/name/saveliy  it is a “Russian form of the Roman cognomen Sabellius meaning "a Sabine" in Latin. The Sabines were an ancient people who lived in central Italy.” There are several Orthodox saints by the same name. Of note, he was born after the day of St. Savva. Perhaps for this reason a similar sounding name was chosen by his parents, who were Christian converts.
Kmoch also states that T departed Russia alone at 16 to become a student and not at 12 with his family. His family remained in Russia and his parents were murdered during pogroms.--EugeneK 14:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish Jew? 

message: is demonstrated by wiki redactors through not displaying Russian flag in the list of countries that are credited with Tartakower's citizenship.It is simply ridiculous to turn a blindeye on his nationality,taking into consideration he was born and raised in Russia,no doubt spoke Russian and benefited from Russian culture. Frank Russian (talk) 14:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  anti-russian bias 

message: "The great master places a knight on e5; checkmate follows by itself."
Source? Shouldn't it say e6? And I'm sure I've seen this attributed to someone else -- perhaps Lasker? 2.24.117.101 (talk) 16:23, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I found two pieces in Chess Notes discussing this quote: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/winter03.html#CN_3514 and http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/winter132.html#CN_9375. Looks like it's variously attributed. 2.24.117.101 (talk) 18:40, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knight on e5? 

message: Tartakower may not have played for any Austro-Hungarian team at the Chess olympics, which incidentally came after the breakdown of Austria-Hungary. However, he was legally Austrian(-Hungarian), and he served as an officer in an elite unit of WW I.  have not found any Chess literature to address the latter part. Yes, he spent his childhood in Russia, but has has not been a Russian citizen at any time. So, I do not see any anti-Russian bias. -- Zz (talk) 19:43, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mangled comment 

message: It's weird to describe Tartakower baldly in the intro as "a Polish chess player".
Either "Polish and French", or "French and Polish chessplayer of Austrian and Russian origin" would be more appropriate. He apparently didn't speak Polish and didn't live there for any length of time, whereas in addition to acquiring French nationality, he spoke French fluently, studied at a French-speaking university (Geneva), and spent a large part of his life settled in France.
I don't think there is anti-Russian bias here as Frank Russian suggested, but there is certainly some Polish bias! Longitude2 (talk) 10:00, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction