Talk:Rajput/Archive21

message: Holywarrior 08:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If all rajputs originated from Jats how come rajputs always ruled over Jats?  Your sources somehow do not seem trustworthy.  I have nothing against Jats they are a brave race.  But it has become a fashion in India for almost everyone to find some connection with rajputs. Worst, Indian commie hisory writerz would almost attest to anything, like hindus convrted to Islam by sufi saints, rajputs were cowrds. -Rajguru
Response> Dear Rajguru
Nowhere is it suggested that ALL rajputs originated form the Jats. Many of them are descendants of Bhils, Gonds, Gujars and so on. Some are descended from Jat clan. - Solanki, Bhatti, Pawar,
Which is why I directed you and others to the discussions in the  Yahoo Jathistory group and to Joon’s book now online
The term Rajput, is unheard of prior to 11th century, and does not come into prominence until the 14th century. Upto the 15th the rulers of Mewar were still calling themselves Jats.
The Rajputs have NOT always ruled over Jats. It is only in Rajasthan, and that too for  a short period that they gained prominence . That too only because they were supported in establishing their  power, first by the Muslims, and then by the British.
In Punjab, modern Haryana, Western U.P, the rajput phenomena never arose. You must ask yourself why not!
All that has happened, in a nutshell, is the British Historians, James Todd etc, glorified the rajputness, and that became the line that was followed by the Indian historians that followed.
I am not going to go into discussions like Rajputs were cowards. That is unseemingly and unproductive. It is fact that they acted as the military contractors for the Muslims, conquered India for the Muslims, and later served the British, to put down the revolts of the other Indians.
You need to look no further than the main article and see what is says about the Rajput- Muslim and later on the Rajput- British relationship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajput
quote” Mughal-Rajput alliance"
Babur's son Humayun was an ineffectual ruler who perforce spend long periods in exile. His son was made of a different mettle; Akbar consolidated his inheritence and expanded what had been the "Delhi sultanate" into a wide empire. A main factor in this success was indubitably his co-option of native Rajput chiefs into his empire-building project; his reign countenanced, for the first time, the involvement of Hindus in the affairs of the empire. The Rajput chiefs collaborated with alacrity, an alliance cemented by marriage, with numerous Rajput noblewomen being wed to mughal grandees. The Kachwahas were the first to give a daughter to Akbar; they pioneered a trend that soon turned pervasive and played no small role in extending Rajput influence across the Indian sub-continent, from Bengal to Afghanistan to the Deccan. Indeed, two successive mughal emperors, Jehangir and Shah Jehan, were born to Rajput mothers.
Rajput chiefs served as mughal officers and administrators across the mughal empire and enjoyed much influence in the government. In this period, the aristocratic image of the Rajputs can be said to have finally crystallized; consequently, caste-divisions became rigid. The trend of political relations between Rajput states and the central power was the precursor for similar relations between them and the British. “”
The Jats are not looking for a connection with the rajputs, but are simply reclaiming their history, much has which been incorrectly ascribed to the Rajputs.
I will request you and others to  read the material and on line books  at :
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/ 
You are all welcome to join the group, read the on line books, and join in, in the discussion there or here.
Normal Etiquette is expected.
Ravi Chaudhary 21:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: OTHER VERSIONS/VIEWS

message: I feel that we need to do away with section titles in Devnagari Script. If mentioning is important, it can be done in the body of the section. Wikilinking devnagari script is just redundant linking and looks poor for English encyclopedia. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 17:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: Over a hundred Rajput-related pages have been vandalized overnight by User:Tamzigh, revertions being to the version just prior to my last edit. Not only my edits but those of other people have thus been erased, and two perfectly valid categories cleaned out. How does all this help the Cause? No way is this going to break the resolve of the 4-5 people who are facing this vandalism. Anyway, here is a useful list. ImpuMozhi 13:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A useful list

message: Page Rajputra History has been created by transfer from the old Rajput page. Another page named "History of Rajputs" already exists. Can the new page be deleted speedily? ImpuMozhi 14:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion

message: The varmint who infests this page has had another day at his nefarious anvil. I challenge anyone to find one edit made by User:Tatra (or indeed any of the others) that is not a vandalism of my edits. Surely there must be some method of negating this unmitigated nuisance? I spent all day yesterday correcting the two previous bouts of vandalism, and wake up this morning to find it all undone, with choice edit summaries to boot. How much of my time and energy is to be expended in bandying reverts with the likes of this detestable louse? ImpuMozhi 14:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: after all the bother with this article, undiscussed or aggressive edits should be reverted with prejudice. Don't engage in spouting insults, ImpuMozhi, just revert to the last good version. Editors disrupting this article will be blocked from editing. dab (ᛏ) 15:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: I made following edit yesterdayModern Historians tend to view rajputs as descendants of Scythic pastoral people. This theory has been sustantiated by anthropological research which has yielded compelling proofs of them being scythic.Evidence has been traced to their geneology too.Many Rajputs who call themselves of Yadav lineage too have been found to be of same scythic stock somewhat similar to Pathans following jewish customs (like circumcision on 8th day) who like Rajputs also trace their lineage from Jadon ,nothing to do with yaduvansh of lord KrishnaWas I wrong in saying so.I am neither a new user nor new to the topic.I have done enough discussion on Rajputs On Kshatriya page.I am just amazed to see what kind of admin is prevailing on this page,which is trying to protect an unscientific version.Impu Mozhi should have given some kind of explanation for reverts.He not even shifted the topic to talk page.Unimpressive.Holywarrior 14:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why my edits were reverted 

message: Here is a map of approximate holdings of the Rajput kingdoms at their height in the middle-ages. Vastu 17:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: guys: no wholesale reverts. I have no opinion on your edits, just add them individually. Reverts to October 2005, removing warning templates, as you just did qualifies as vandalism. If you do it again, I will protect the article for now. There has been enough fooling around here, if you want to make a change, do it and see how people react. You didn't 'make a change', you replaced the article with something entirely different. dab (ᛏ) 10:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks for making a good faith edit, Holywarrior. That doesn't mean it will be accepted by everybody, but if people object to this one, they should explain themselves on talk, and reverts fall under the 3RR as content disputes (unlike the mindless sock wars that keep re-erupting from time to time). dab (ᛏ) 11:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
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