Talk:Democratic Society Party

message: Please do not add the social-democratic non-sense again. I worked the intro, with solid sources, to make it clear that this is the political wing of the PKK (popular support among some provinces doesn't exclude such a connection) and made clear that this party is nationalist, not merely "pro-Kurdish", an expression which, by the way, doesn't mean jack s*** in the English language. Can someone using the common rules of English language expression explain what "pro-Kurdish" means?? Kurdish nationalist? If not, what then? Just a party who likes the Kurds too much like an automobile club organizing weekend gatherings for collectioneers of Chevrolet 1956s? Damn, if I ever tried to modify MHP's article by modifying "nationalist" to "pro-Turkish", the insults would start flying all over the place. But when it is the political wing of a terrorist organization responsible for kidnappings, extortions, bombings, the biggest supplier of heroine to Europe as well as huge human-trafficking rings, they just become "pro-X". Damn, in which planet am I living in??
Anyways, most of the points in the intro are easily verifiable by most of the sources out there on the net, including the DTP-PKK connection. So if someone is not happy because s/he claims the sources are too "weak', just contact me instead of reverting/deleting and I can dig up sources by the kilo in a fairly short amount of time. Cheers! Baristarim 10:03, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, take some of that heat and focus it into the article.  "Pro-Kurdish" must mean something, and that should go into the article.  For example the top search hit  makes some statements about past governments seeking to "destroy Kurdishness", "policies that border on genocide", the recent repeal of a prohibition on the Kurdish language, extrajudicial executions, village guards, state of emergency, extrajudicial executions, and the closing of the Human Rights Foundation of Turkey in the Kurdish region.  The position of opponents, for instance, the nature of their fears regarding threats to the "indivisible unity of the Turkish state" also needs to be explained.  Now most half decent Wikipedia articles manage to provide more information than a random Web search, by a large factor, and so this article should aspire to go through all those things and more, and find which are current issues and which the current party is involved in and who is with them and who is against them.  This article contains only about 0.1% of the information about the issues that it should. Wnt (talk) 18:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: "Senior DTP leaders maintain that they support a unified Turkey within a democratic framework. Tuğluk published an article in Radikal in May 2007 to prove that claim.[28]"
This is not relevant to the section title. It all depends what they mean by "unified" and "democratic" (federation etc can fall into this description). However this is still irrelevant to the section title: It is not about their policies or ideologies, but their connections with the PKK. That sentence talks about their policies. I actually read that article in Radikal the day it came out, and there is absolutely no mention of the PKK in it. I think that that sentence should be moved to another section talking about the ideology of the party. Baristarim 04:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accusations section 

message: Turkish prosecutors have reportedly moved to ban a pro-Kurdish political party in Turkey that has been accused of colluding with Kurdish rebels.---- Mr Blu3 (talk) 16:59, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkey Takes Steps to Ban Kurdish Party 

message: There is a mechanism for dealing with defunct parties: you can enter a date into the "dissolved" field of the full box. Removing the infobox severely reduces the readability and informative nature of the article, and therefore I am restoring it. Lockesdonkey (talk) 17:52, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why has the infobox been removed? 

message: Isn't it a bit early to move everything into the past tense ("Democratic Society Party was a Kurdish political party in Turkey")? It's been banned, declared illegal, but that doesn't mean it instantly ceased to exist, right? --MQDuck (talk) 01:20, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
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