Talk:List of active sumo wrestlers

message: When a rikishi retires and you remove him from the active list PLEASE add him to the List of past sumo wrestlers, and when you do please put him in the list in the order of the year and basho he joined sumo, as all others in the list are organized as. Thank you! :) FourTildes (talk) 12:10, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Please Please :) 

message: The following wrestlers are no longer in makuuchi and don't have an article on wiki, so they have been relegated off the list.  However, so their info is not lost, and can be easily reposted should they reach makuuchi again and/or otherwise merit their own article, their column info has been put here for later reference. Hit edit to get access to their full markup. Incidentally, the rule of thumb is that a wrestler should get an article when he has had 3 winning tournaments in makuuchi or 6 tournaments (winning or otherwise) in total. A wrestler can also get an article if he has another reason for notability, such as Jōkōryū achieving the most consecutive wins from his debut. FourTildes (talk) 02:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Relegated wrestler column information

message: == Including Japanese names ==
Would there be any support for the idea of including a column for the kanji name of the wrestlers? I think it would be of benefit to people who can already read the Japanese names, as well as those trying to learn. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 05:14, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good - I have no objections.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it looks good too. I was going to prepare a couple of samples, the other being the Japanese underneath the English name. But I think the separate column looks great. Thank you . Shall we fill the list in your sandbox then copy it over? AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 04:21, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

text: Sorry to keep you waiting, but I have prepared an alternative sample in this sandbox. As for including the full name, I personally feel it is unnecessary. I think of sumo wrestlers like Madonna; sure they have a full name, but can anybody ever remember it? I understand why the full name is included in the article title though. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 02:32, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Good eye.  That was a mistake.  Glad to know someone is checking these things. thanks. You seem to be knowledgeable enough that I trust you to make a change yourself if you'd like.  When I see your name come up in the edit list, I will trust it. FourTildes (talk) 07:42, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

text: A good idea. And thanks for all your photographs!--Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:06, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is a very good idea. I have simplified the template so that everything appears within one set of brackets. How I understand it is that by using this format, the Japanese link will no longer be displayed if/when an English article is created. I've amended the three current redlinks for Daieishō, Daishōmaru and Nishikigi. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:23, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for doing that. Those redlinks were bugging me :-) --Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:24, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

text: I have to confess that I had not noticed before that we did bold for West to East. I'm not convinced it's a good idea, whether for maegashira or ozeki. In the past the East side was considered more prestigious, that's true, but I think it's a stretch to consider it a promotion. For what it's worth Sumo Reference does not designate a move from west to east as a new highest career rank either. I could be persuaded however if there has been any publicity or media coverage in Japan saying that Goeido is at a new highest rank.Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:30, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

text: Just another thought on this... I was concerned that it might be confusing to the reader, but maybe if a note was added to the introduction explaining the East/West divide? Something like – "Those ranked on the East side of the banzuke will usually have had a slightly better result in the previous tournament than those on the equivalent West side ranking, as the East is regarded as the more prestigious side"? --Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:18, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now changed my mind on this – it's clear from this picture of Goeido holding up the new banzuke that it is regarded as a new highest rank. I will change the article.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:17, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

text: Yes I checked and the kanji is correct - the Jawiki link currently is redirected to his article under Sato because no one has got(ten) around to moving his page yet. FourTildes (talk) 11:02, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

text: I don't know about 'we' but my reaction is yes to the flags, no to the names (extremely rare when someone would come here lookng for a wrestler by their birth name, so not worth the extra table-width). Agricolae (talk) 23:05, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

text: Don't like either addition but I wouldn't fight over the flags. I would say that something needs to be done one way or another as the table currently looks a complete mess. Tigerboy1966  06:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

text: They appear to be back; this time they've added a DOB column. And again, stopped halfway through!--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:16, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

text: Since nobody else has weighted in, I am going to go ahead and change the column heading. Agricolae (talk) 22:34, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe you are correct - we go with what the banzuke says. I recall we listed Chiyotaikai as being from Oita even though he was born in Hokkaido. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:45, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Would there be any support for the idea of including a column for the kanji name of the wrestlers? I think it would be of benefit to people who can already read the Japanese names, as well as those trying to learn. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 05:14, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good - I have no objections.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it looks good too. I was going to prepare a couple of samples, the other being the Japanese underneath the English name. But I think the separate column looks great. Thank you . Shall we fill the list in your sandbox then copy it over? AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 04:21, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

text: Sorry to keep you waiting, but I have prepared an alternative sample in this sandbox. As for including the full name, I personally feel it is unnecessary. I think of sumo wrestlers like Madonna; sure they have a full name, but can anybody ever remember it? I understand why the full name is included in the article title though. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 02:32, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Including Japanese names 

message: The latest update has Kisenosato and Terunofuji both at O1E. That can't be right, can it? Tigerboy1966  07:07, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Good eye.  That was a mistake.  Glad to know someone is checking these things. thanks. You seem to be knowledgeable enough that I trust you to make a change yourself if you'd like.  When I see your name come up in the edit list, I will trust it. FourTildes (talk) 07:42, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ozeki 1 East 

message: I have decided to institute/try out an idea I've had for a while of linking an English article-less rikishi with his Japanese wiki article, so anybody who is curious can at least see a rikishi's picture in the Japanese version (most of which are provided by some guy named FourTildes, also known by his Japanese handle Furuboku...)  They might also be able to suss out the tourney table and a little more info. You can how this works with Daieisho's entry. I have noticed other language wikis link English articles regularly (with the tacit acknowledgement that enwiki has a lot more articles). You can see this in the French wiki banzuke article for example.  I see this as a useful alternative to giving an English article to every wrestler who manages to crawl his way to makuuchi once or twice. Thoughts? FourTildes (talk) 02:08, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: A good idea. And thanks for all your photographs!--Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:06, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is a very good idea. I have simplified the template so that everything appears within one set of brackets. How I understand it is that by using this format, the Japanese link will no longer be displayed if/when an English article is created. I've amended the three current redlinks for Daieishō, Daishōmaru and Nishikigi. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 01:23, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for doing that. Those redlinks were bugging me :-) --Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:24, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ja article 

message: OK, I have a potentially controversial question/idea.  This is Goeido's first tournament at Ozeki 1 East.  Should this be acknowledged with a bolding of his rank for this tournament?  In the past we have bolded wrestlers who achieved, for example Maegashira 3 EAST as their highest rank even though they had at some point previously achieved the slightly lower Maegashira 3 WEST as their highest achievement before. This was to acknowledge this is their true highest rank even if only slightly higher.  But I know this time around, though it follows the same logic that was unquestioned before, bolding his rank will garner more criticism and questions because Goeido is high profile.  I think bolding is the way to go, as it follows previous practice, and because it is worthy acknowledgement. But I am open to discussion. FourTildes (talk) 22:08, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to confess that I had not noticed before that we did bold for West to East. I'm not convinced it's a good idea, whether for maegashira or ozeki. In the past the East side was considered more prestigious, that's true, but I think it's a stretch to consider it a promotion. For what it's worth Sumo Reference does not designate a move from west to east as a new highest career rank either. I could be persuaded however if there has been any publicity or media coverage in Japan saying that Goeido is at a new highest rank.Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:30, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

text: Just another thought on this... I was concerned that it might be confusing to the reader, but maybe if a note was added to the introduction explaining the East/West divide? Something like – "Those ranked on the East side of the banzuke will usually have had a slightly better result in the previous tournament than those on the equivalent West side ranking, as the East is regarded as the more prestigious side"? --Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:18, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now changed my mind on this – it's clear from this picture of Goeido holding up the new banzuke that it is regarded as a new highest rank. I will change the article.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:17, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Bold (and Brave) Goeido

message: Could a reader of Japanese check that the kanji underneath Takakeisho's name is correct? I'm not sure if it's just Takakeisho, his full shikona, or his real name Sato. Thanks.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:47, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I checked and the kanji is correct - the Jawiki link currently is redirected to his article under Sato because no one has got(ten) around to moving his page yet. FourTildes (talk) 11:02, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kanji 

message: What do we make of the addition of a "real name" column and flag icons? Unfortunately the (anon IP) editor who began this seems to have stopped halfway through. I don't mind the flags myself but I'm not sure the real names are really noteworthy.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:22, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about 'we' but my reaction is yes to the flags, no to the names (extremely rare when someone would come here lookng for a wrestler by their birth name, so not worth the extra table-width). Agricolae (talk) 23:05, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

text: Don't like either addition but I wouldn't fight over the flags. I would say that something needs to be done one way or another as the table currently looks a complete mess. Tigerboy1966  06:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

text: They appear to be back; this time they've added a DOB column. And again, stopped halfway through!--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:16, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Real name, flag additions

message: A conflict between a specific wrestler's page and this table has me wondering.  I note that the Birthplace column, gives Wakaichiro as born in Nagasaki, yet his page says he was born at Houston, Texas (but cites as its source an article that only says he 'grew up' in Houston).  This is an issue that needs to be dealt with regarding this specific wrestler, , but the conflict makes me wonder.  Is the 'Birthplace' column truly representing their place of birth, or is this just a translation of Shusshin with the data formally listed for the reshiki, which as I understand it can likewise mean 'Hometown' (often, but not always, the same thing)? Do we know these are birthplaces given? Agricolae (talk) 23:35, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Since nobody else has weighted in, I am going to go ahead and change the column heading. Agricolae (talk) 22:34, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe you are correct - we go with what the banzuke says. I recall we listed Chiyotaikai as being from Oita even though he was born in Hokkaido. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:45, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: Does anyone know what's happened to Kagamio? I think this would be the first case of a rikishi with an article falling off the banzuke completely... unless he's handed in his retirement papers of course. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:54, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kagamio