Talk:American Central University

message: Please note that I have archived the contents of this page prior to June 2008, excepting the lengthy and ongoing exchange below. CosmicPenguin (Talk) 03:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archives 

message: Hi TallMagic,
Please unprotect the page so the information on the page is updated and the case closed as both of us need to be friends and focus our time on gainful pursuits rather conflicts. Thank you so much.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.51.11.19 (talk) 09:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Ann Burnett, When vandals are very active on a particular article making changes to the article that don't follow Wikipedia guidelines nor good journalism practices, then it is sometimes best to protect the article from vandalism. When you find the wp:reliable sources that verify the information you'd like to see in the article then please post them here and I'll be happy to make the changes to the article or you can make the changes yourself. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 14:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Any changes need to be backed up by wp:verifiable information from wp:reliable sources. No Wikipedian would allow unsupported changes to be made to a Wikipedia article. When you find the wp:reliable sources that verify the information you'd like to see in the article then please post them here and I'll be happy to make the changes to the article or you can make the changes yourself. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 04:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi Ann Burnett, A couple other Wikipedia policies that you may have violated in the past by your article edits are wp:npov and wp:COI. The wp:COI policy would probably not apply if you're a young teen. You're only in violation if you actually are who you say you are. Thanks, TallMagic (talk) 14:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi Ann Burnett, I'm pleased that at least this last time your edits matched the unsupported assertions that you've made here on this talk page. Your edits have been very sad examples of continued violations of Wikipedia policies. Your Wikipedia edits MUST be verifiable. You attempt to appeal to the truth is irrelevant. For example the beginning sentence of wp:verifiability is, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true." One thing you could do (if you're who you say you are rather than a young teen) is publish the owners of ACU on the ACU website. That is the type information that should be usable in the article even though it is self published. When you find the wp:reliable sources that verify the information you'd like to see in the article then please post them here and I'll be happy to make the changes to the article or you can make the changes yourself. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 03:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi Ann Burnett, I'm glad that this last time you only deleted information and messed up the references instead of also inserting unverified information. Regarding your appeal to the truth, I already explained that what you (or any editor) believes to be the truth is not the most important consideration for inclusion in Wikipedia. "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true."wp:V Deleting verifiable information from articles is generally not acceptable and you need to stop that as well. As an aside, you may want to get an account and try to remember to sign your posts on the talk page. TallMagic (talk) 14:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Break 3 

message: Hello Tallmagic,
We are repeating ourselves without reaching any conclusion. I have read the contents of wp:verifiable and all sources meet the criteria. My only concern is that Wikipedia should not be used to spread lies and slander against people and organizations.It is the misuse of the freedom of speech. Please unprotect the page so we can make the requisite changes. I do not want our hacker teams to do that. Thanks Ann
:"Our hacker teams"?!  Is this some kind of threat? Do you seriously think that this kind of nonsense on your part is doing anything to encourage a positive attitude to ACU? Afterwriting (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Afterwriting, Ann is accusing Wikipedia of spreading lies. She seems to expect us to allow changes in the article based on nothing more than her words on this talk page. She claims that she's the major owner of ACU. She also claims that two other names (not Ann W Burnett) are the owners of ACU and these names show up no where in any of the paper work that I can find. She claims to have hacker teams. In my mind these are not the words of the major owner of an institution of higher learning. It seems more likely to me that Ann is a young teen that thinks it is fun to vandalize this article. Of course I could be wrong in this guess but the guess doesn't really matter. The article as currently written is supported by wp:verifiable information that is available in wp:reliable sources. Whether Ann is the owner of ACU, a young teen, or George W. Bush, it doesn't really matter, the contents of the article will be based on Wikipedia policy not the whims of an anonymous editor. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 14:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi Ann W Burnett, I think it is a good sign that you admit that the current article sources are all wp:verifiable. I hope that means that you will no longer try to delete information out of the article. When you say that there are lies in Wikipedia, I assume you are talking about the ACU article. I further assume that you are talking about the name of the owner(s) of ACU. I've already told you that if you really are the owner of ACU then you need to put the names of the owner(s) on the ACU website and then I'll be happy to put those names in the article. If you're talking about something else then please be more specific. When you provide the wp:reliable sources that verify the information you'd like to see in the article then please post them here and I'll be happy to make the changes to the article or you can make the changes yourself after the protection is removed. Thank you, TallMagic (talk) 14:42, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Break 5 

message: At least three independent editors have reviewed the sources listed above and found them to not be reliable.  Additionally, many editors have reviewed the sources in the article, especially the Casper Star Tribune article and found them to be reliable.  Wikipedia is a private website, you have no right to free speech.  If you legitimately believe that you are being libeled, please visit WP:LIBEL or contact the Wikimedia Foundation.  Please do not make further claims of libel or slander on this page until you do so.  Continued threats may result in removal of your editing privileges while the matter is investigated. CosmicPenguin (Talk) 03:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ann W Burnett, please carefully read CosmicPenguin's comments above. Please heed his wise suggestions. I would also like to add that threatening hacker attacks will not get you anywhere unless what you want is to lose absolutely all credibility. Regarding your request to unprotect the article, what should be happening at this point is that you need to communicate exactly what changes you would like to see in the article. If the article was unprotected then I would expect you to go back to just wp:edit warring rather than trying to reach a wp:consensus. Your goal should be consensus building rather than edit warring. Thanks, TallMagic (talk) 04:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Here are the dispute resolution guidelines.  CosmicPenguin (Talk) 05:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi Ann W Burnett, please try to be more explicit instead of speaking in generalities. You seem to say that the Casper Star Tribune has published an article of lies, in your anonymous unsupported apparently young teen opinion. Wikipedia is then spreading those lies by using the Casper Star Tribune article as a source. Is this what you're saying? Didn't you also say that the actual owners were two other people that were not Ann W Burnett? Didn't you also say that you were the major owner of ACU? Haven't you already proven that we can't believe what you say here? Why should anyone believe the unsupported assertions of any anonymous poster anywhere on the Internet? You really are not making sense. You need to be answering questions and presenting reliable sources for things that support what you want said in the article. Threats of slander and hackers is plainly just bizarre. Wikipedia is only repeating what was already published. If what was published was wrong then have the Casper Star Tribune print a retraction or correction. TallMagic (talk) 22:45, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi Ann W Burnett, above you made the statement, "You are not giving us any chance of commmunicating our point of views". That statement makes no sense to me. You have expressed yourself freely on this talk page. It is you that have not tried to take advantage of the opportunity by discussing specific instances and arguments instead only speaking in generalities. Please be specific and provide specific verifiable support for your desired changes that can be found in Wikipedia approved reliable sources. Who is this "us" that you've started speaking in terms of? You will get no where speaking with generalities, unsupported assertions, and threats. I hope that you prove my guess wrong that you're just a young teen trying to vandalize the article. The way you can do that is speaking with specifics, verifiable, and reliable sources. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 17:32, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi Ann W Burnett, I just got back from a little vacation and was slightly surprised that you haven't responded. So, I thought I'd correct another of your misstatements in your most recent comment. Specifically your statement, "I am also amazed about the claims that wikipedia is not interested in the truth." This claim has not been made on this page except by you. Wikipedia must be based on verifiable information. The actual claim was that verifiability is much more important than your unsupported opinion of what the truth might be. I made the statement that I'm not interested in discussing what you believe (or pretend to believe) the truth to be. Wikipedia must be based on verifiable information. I hope this clears up your misunderstanding on this point. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 17:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi 45 yearold Ann W Burnett, It seems obvious that you continue to only speak in generalities because you can't provide verifiable sources for what you want said in the article. The sources you have provided don't even support the assertions that you've made. My personal guess is that you can't provide verifiable sources for what you want said because what you want said is a lie. You haven't even provided any unreliable source for the assertions you've made except for your words on this talk page. I've told you that things like the owner or date founded can be supported by the ACU website. Yet you don't add that information to the ACU website. Why not, perhaps because you're just a young teen that thinks it's fun to vandalize this article? Another important correction to your last comment, this is not my website. It is as much yours as it is mine. I did not revert your most recent two attempts to vandalize the article. They were reverted by two other Wikipedians. Please stop trying to vandalize Wikipedia. Wikipedia has over two million articles in English. There are many responsible editors that have created these articles and there are many responsible editors that are trying to stop vandals like you. Please stop trying to vandalize the article. Please and thank you, TallMagic (talk) 16:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: The old link to ACU doesn't work. Piercetp put a link to a website for American Central University. This was reverted with a comment indicating that the working link was to an even more bogus diploma mill (not exact wording of edit comment). How do we know that it is not the new website? I think it is reasonable to assume that it is? Regards, TallMagic (talk) 23:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think its pretty clear that its not.  For starters, acusa.net was created on 23-Jul-2002, and last updated on 12-Nov-2007.  acuniversity.org was created on 19-Sep-2003 and last updated on 11-Sep2-2008, so its hard to argue one followed the other.  A quick check on the Wayback machine shows that the acuniversity.org site is pretty much unchanged from September 2004 .  Compare it to acusa.net from the same era .  These do not appear to be the same organizations, just two snake-oil salesmen cut from the same cloth. CosmicPenguin (Talk) 00:01, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

text: TallMagic, I made that edit. Take a look in the archives (bottom of the page), I've investigated this one before. Acuniversity.org was formerly 'American Coastal University' and they are not a registered US institution at all; I couldn't find any connection between the two going through what corporate/whois/hosting records I could find. Whats more, the terms of ACU's registration in WY preclude them from saying that they are accredited, as that site does. Although, that appears to have changed too, see below. Bazzargh (talk) 00:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My assumption would be that the owner of ACU had simply created two websites for ACU. One for Wyoming consumption and people wishing to see a government license. Another for more agressive marketing purposes. I note that the Wyoming link is now invalid which would seem to reflect the falling value of the Wyoming license since passage of the laws restricting diploma mills in the state. Please note that the operative word in the above sentences is "assumption". This is a typical challenge for those of us trying to work on unaccredited institution articles. :-) Regards, TallMagic (talk) 02:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  website for ACU 

message: Investigating the broken link to acusa.net, I checked up on other links too. The list of registered Wyoming institutions has been updated, and no longer includes ACU. I've not updated the page to reflect this yet because
I've emailed the WY Dept of Education to check the facts on this before stating in the article that they are not registered; we already have a reference (in that the official list no longer includes them) but I'd like to double check, since they still have a business registration in WY; they may just have moved on to another state again. I'll update the article once I get a response. Bazzargh (talk) 00:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It does seem strange that there was a phony link to a phony service pretending to ba ACU. I made the mistake of thinking it was the same thing as the said institution. I found this by doing a google search for American Central University. Let the buyer beware!Piercetp (talk) 18:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The owner of ACU was involved with a phoney school in Hawaii that was closed down by the authorities. His own degree was bestowed by this same diploma mill. He apparently played games with the Wyoming authorities to keep his "diploma mill" in business as long as he could. At the same time this was all going on he was still playing games with his school based in Indonesia. I suspect that the website you found was part of that same set of facades. The organization seems to depend on lies and false facades as is demonstrated by their attempts to corrupt the Wikipedia article. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 22:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of business? 

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