Talk:Corn (disambiguation)

message: This argument is ridiculous. It's as if people were arguing that the Dog page redirect should to Pug because you've heard people refer to pugs as dogs, and any use ofdog to refer to other types of canine is wrong. That's what you sound like when you argue that corn can only ever mean maize. You are arguing from a point of ignorance, and any educated person will tell you that. The idea that words can refer to categories of things is a concept you should be able to grasp!
There's also a touch of racism and xenophobia here in trying to exclude the vast majority of the world population. The majority of speakers of English speak it as a second language, and they almost all come from countries where the local word for maize is maize, or a near analogue thereof, because that's the word everyone but a small minority of the world uses when referring to maize. Those people are being needlessly confused by the infantile insistence of narrow-minded Americans on this site trying to insist that a word means something less than what it actually means. 07:10, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Things have catagories

message: This was a redirect to Talk:Corn but Corn was a redirect to Maize.   I moved Talk:Corn to Talk:Maize/Archive 1 and removed the redirect here.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 07:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite right too.  Barley was missing from the list, so I added it.  Can corn really refer to oats?  It was used to generalise over wheat and barley where I grew up, and I can see it being used for rye by extension, but I'm suspicious about oats.  Also, is 'corn can be used to refer to... Korn' correct? BarryNorton 11:06, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  As to the first question, I think I saw a comment that it was used that way in Scotland, though I don't know where I saw that.  Might inquire at Talk:Oats.  As to the second, I have no idea.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 20:25, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually at Oats#Cultivation in the Oats article.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 04:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: redirect?

message: Could those who use the word corn as a synonym for maize or sweetcorn please note the wider meaning of the word, as it is used outside the area in which you reside. 
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.129.31 (talk • contribs) 
:The Corn vs Maize discussion occurs often at Talk:Maize, please read those comments and bring up any conversation about it there. Jeepday (talk) 02:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could those that use the word corn as a synonym for grain please note that only the UK uses said meaning and that most English speakers don't use the word that way? outside here has incorrect implications; your use neither dominates nor surrounds ours.--Prosfilaes (talk) 02:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Corn is not a synonym for maize

message: The word of God will set you all freee from this debate.
In Jesus' name we pray.
Ohm.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.176.60.170 (talk) 11:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: ASIDE from the whole "Corn does not equal maize" thing (which I think I've addressed--I personally don't know how much of the world is referring to maize when they say corn, but the redirect goes there) (although it is pretty ridiculous to suggest that it's only the "midwest USA" who does; I'm in Virginia and when we say corn we're definitely not talking about barley), does anyone have any actual disagreements with the changes I made, ALL of which were only to bring this page into compliance with the Wikipedia Manual of Style? I mean, I hate to keep reverting to my own version, but the edit summaries are absolutely inexplicable. "I agree but that is a different matter"? What is a different matter? And the whole point of cleanup--or part of it--is to remove extra information that does not help users disambiguate multiple topics that could be referred to as "corn." The cereal crops are all listed on that article. There IS no existing article specifically on "corny humor." Peppercorns are a phrase that contains the word "corn", not something actually referred to as "corn" (and if I'm wrong, it's not mentioned in the peppercorn article). Similarly, the Cornwall article doesn't support any reference to the nickname "Corn", that I can find. Oh, also, people in the USA call popcorn popcorn, not corn. Please refer to WP:Disambiguation#Lists.
Also, is there a reason why so many anonymous IPs are so protective of this page? It's bizarre. Propaniac (talk) 05:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You know what, scratch that, I really, really do not care anymore. I'm trying to make the page look nicer and be more useful, but if that means spending precious minutes of my life debating with people whose biggest obsession is whether corn means the stuff that comes on a cob or not, it's really not worth it. Keep your page, put as many links on it as you want, make it as ugly as you want, I don't care, I'm taking it off my watch list and since when I say corn, I mean corn, I don't expect I'll ever have reason to revisit it. Propaniac (talk) 05:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Question Has a user violated the spirit of the Wikipedia:Three-revert rule? Jeepday (talk) 13:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I notice that user Abtract found time
:00:05, 8 August 2008 Abtract (Talk | contribs) (830 bytes) (this is the standard way) (undo) 
to change Peppercorn to Peppercorn (disambiguation).
It's of miniscule importance in itself, but could he or someone justify the reason with a reference to wikipedia policy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by SamuelTheGhost (talk • contribs) 
:Indeed. There are two reasons for preferring a redirect through Peppercorn (disambiguation). First, there may come a time when Peppercorn (currently a dab page) is used for a primary topic and the dab info gets moved to Peppercorn (disambiguation); if and when this happens, there will be no need to change this page because it is already set up that way. Second, using "disambiguation" in the page name makes it clearer to readers and they are not surprised when they arrive at a dab page, albeit one not actually called by that name. This is all covered by policy or the manual of style somewhere but I'm damned if I can find it right now ... I will get back to you when I do. Abtract (talk) 11:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right here. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes thank you. Abtract (talk) 17:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  peppercorn 

message: I was working on disambiguating some links and it appears that almost all of the articles that link directly to this page are referring to maize. With that in mind, it might make sense to move this to Corn (Disambiguation), which is currently a redirect, and redirect this page to maize. Just a thought. Tad Lincoln (talk) 23:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read through all the talk pages and archives. This has been done before and undone, etc. Rmhermen (talk) 00:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That may be the case, but the fact that most "corn" links are referring to maize is still important. Whether or not it has been done before is not the issue. Tad Lincoln (talk) 00:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the issue is whether you intend to engage in yet another edit war on this question now that it's been quiet for awhile. Can you say, "Deja vu all over again"? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? ::::carrots 01:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm...sorry? I have not idea what you're talking about. I was never involved in an edit war that I know of, and I haven't even made any edits to this page. Your accusations are baseless and inappropriate. Tad Lincoln (talk) 01:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I did not mean that you were in an edit war. I meant that by messing with things, you could start another one. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 01:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there was no need to be rude about it. I was just trying to help, and I certainly wasn't planning on starting an edit war. Tad Lincoln (talk) 01:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And I was also just trying to help, in my usual tactless way. You can try whatever you want. Just don't say you weren't warned. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 02:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes it is best to wikt:let sleeping dogs lie. older ≠ wiser 02:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Discussion (whether constructive or ill-advised) ≠ "edit war."  And suggesting that someone might "intend to engage in yet another edit war" is hardly the same as suggesting that his/her actions "could start another one."  —David Levy 02:38, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: After I typed that, it occurred to me that "trigger" would have been a better term to use. But just then I heard a noise, and I had to investigate. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:07, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't agree that discussion of this nature is likely to trigger an edit war.  On the contrary, it's the lack of such discussion that tends to cause one.  —David Levy 03:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, maybe it will be different this time than it was the last time. Knock yourselves out. Just don't say you weren't warned! Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not advocating the proposed changes or even a revival of the discussion.  I'm disputing your assertion that said discussion is likely to result in an edit war.  An edit war would arise if the changes were performed without discussion (and resultant consensus).  —David Levy 03:27, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As Rmhermen said, you need to study what's happened before on this article, before you go to that conclusion. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 03:31, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What edit war(s) do you attribute to such discussion?  —David Levy 03:39, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible move? 

message: Given that previous writers on this page established that in the US, "corn" means maize and in the UK and Ireland, "corn" means grain, these searches survey the use of "corn" by Google in the countries with at least one million native English speakers and then those others with at least ten million total English speakers, including United States, Trinidad and Tobago, Germany, France, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Spain, Turkey, Poland, and China (People's Republic of) by doing the regular search in English, then appending "&meta=cr%3Dcountry" and a capitalized ttLD code to end of the old URL and then going to the new URL. Based on the short preview given in each search, the results employing "sweet corn" or "corn (sweet)" are excluded as ambiguous and those about foot calluses are excluded as irrelevant but each are included in the count to maintain NPOV. Similarly sub-results and image results are excluded to avoid doubling single sources but neither are included in the count. 
Excluding the one foot callus hit in between, the US top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* wikipedia.org
* campsilos.org
* whfoods.com
* urbanext.illinois.edu
* cmegroup.com
All five explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned.
Excluding the one foot callus hit, which comes first, the British top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* cornex.co.uk
* cornx.net
* kingslynncornexchange.co.uk
* cornexchangenew.com
* bedfordcornexchange.co.uk
All five explicitly refer to grain when "corn" is mentioned.
Excluding no hits, the Canadian top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* ontariocorn.org
* peanutsandcorn.com
* edmontoncornmaze.ca
* cornmaze.ca
* lacombecornmaze.com
While the second one employs "corn" only in the label name, "Peanuts & Corn Records", it implies maize in the phrase, "peanuts and corn", which when googled gives results about maize like time.com, etc and when WP-searched gives results about maize like w:Shona people. The other four explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding the three "sweet corn" hits and the three foot callus hits in between, the Australian top five are, as found on today's results 1-10 & 11-20:
* freshforkids.com.au
* cornthins.com
* sl.farmonline.com.au
* abc.net.au
* teachingtreasures.com.au
All five explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding the one "sweet corn" hit and the three foot callus hits in between, the Irish top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* cornexchange.ie
* heritageireland.ie
* donegalonsunday.com
* dublintheatrefestival.com
* daft.ie
All five explicitly refer to grain when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding no hits, the South African top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* biodiversityexplorer.org
* iol.co.za
* cbn.co.za
* safex.co.za
* capetown.gumtree.co.za
While the fifth one employs "corn" only in the term "corn snake", it implies maize as w:corn snakes are so-named because "they have a maize-like pattern on their bellies and because they were found in corn fields". The other four explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding no hits, the Filipino top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* da.gov.ph
* bworld.com.ph
* gmanews.tv
* mb.com.ph
* bar.gov.ph
All five explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding the two "sweet corn" hits and the two foot callus hits in between, the New Zealand top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* 3news.co.nz
* trout.auckland.ac.nz
* nzetc.org
* nzherald.co.nz
* diabetes.org.nz
While the third one employs "corn" only as a literal device, it implies maize in the phrase, "rising up like the frigid stalks of fountains", in the first sentence. The other four explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding the one "corn (sweet)" hit, which came first, the Jamaican top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* go-jamaica.com
* gracefoods.com
* jis.gov.jm
* seprod.com
* golocaljamaica.com
While the third one employs "corn" only in the name of a poorly documented Jamaican community called "Corn Piece", it implies maize in the idea of a piece of maize. The other four explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding the one foot callus hit, the Trinidad and Tobago top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* tntisland.com
* newsday.co.tt
* namistt.com
* ttonline.org
* library2.nalis.gov.tt
All five explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding no hits, the Indian top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* flowersofindia.net
* asiancorrespondent.com
* http://food.sify.com/nonvegrecipes/ingredient/egg/Plain_Corn_Soup_with_Vegetables-201712
* livemint.com
* commodityonline.com
While the second one employs "corn" only as a literal device, it implies grain in the phrase, "seed corn". The other four explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding no hits, the Nigerian top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* ngrguardiannews.com
* blog.savetheplanetnews.com
* nigerianstat.gov.ng
* abu.edu.ng
* sunnewsonline.com
While the third one employs "corn" only in the term, "guinea corn", it implies grain as sorghum is more like wheat than maize. The other four explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding no hits, the German top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* spiegel.de
* cornrecordings.com
* gnome-look.org
* recipes.howstuffworks.com
* dw-world.de
While the third one is unclear it seems to imply grain with its image. The other four explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding no hits, the French top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* coq.inria.fr
* koreus.com
* bakeryandsnacks.com
* www2.cnrs.fr
* unesco.org
While the first one uses "corn" as simply an acronym, it implies neither meaning outside of the some traditions that associate chickens with eating maize. The other four explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding the one "sweet corn", which comes first, the Pakistani top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* apakistannews.com
* thenews.com.pk
* pakissan.com
* pvj.com.pk
* dawn.com
All five explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding no hits, the Italian top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* corn.it
* fooltribe.com
* codexalimentarius.net
* designboom.com
* nicatour.net
While the first one is very unclear on what it means by "corn", my guess is that it is more likely to be grain. The fourth explicitly refers to grain when it mentions "corn". The other three explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding no hits, the Japanese top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* yellowcorn.co.jp
* tokyofoundation.org
* j-cast.com
* search.japantimes.co.jp
* tge.or.jp
All five explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding no hits, the Dutch top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* c-corn.cs.ru.nl
* allaboutfeed.net
* bromelia.com
* cornboys.nl
* worldticketshop.com
The first one uses "corn" as an acronym, so implies neither meaning excepting traditions that associate chickens with eating maize. The third one is about bromeliads, so my best guess would be that it might imply maize. The last one is about the "Edinburgh Corn Exchange", so it implies grain. The other two explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding no hits, the Spanish top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* prensa.ugr.es
* testigosdejehova.es
* facebook.es
* libertaddigital.com
* popcorn.euniceproductions.com
All five explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding no hits, the Turkish top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* bugday.org
* vidivodo.com
* thy.com
* topcorn.com.tr
* tmo.gov.tr
All five explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding no hits, the Polish top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* biocorn.pl
* cornlanguage.com
* corn.net.pl
* 
* dailymotion.pl
The second one uses "corn" as a programming language and humourously refers to a "corn kernel", implying maize. The third is a jeweller whose best-seller is a £ 1281.00 gold ring with 280 zircons, implying maize. The fourth is a my-space layout that resembles farmed fields of maize. The other two explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. 
Excluding no hits, the Chinese top five are, as found on today's results 1-10:
* google.cn
* iciba.com
* jobs.chinahr.com
* dce.com.cn
* bbs.chinaz.com
While the fifth one uses "corn" only as something that looks similar to the "com" of internet domain names, it cannot be attributed to imply either meaning of "corn". The other four explicitly refer to maize when "corn" is mentioned. While the first one explicitly states that the grain meaning of "corn" is confined to British English, it explicitly states that the maize meaning of "corn" constitutes the worldwide rule, not the exception. 
This list of countries encompasses not only most of the English speakers of the world, native or not, but most of the people of the world. The data refutes that the meaning of "corn" in English is more often grain than maize. It highlights that outside of the Ireland and the UK, there are some compound terms that employ the archaic grain meaning of "corn" like "sweet corn", "seed corn", and "guinea corn" but that on its own, "corn" rarely means grain as opposed to maize. :)--Thecurran (talk) 17:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's very nice original research. However, until you convince other dictionaries to change their definition of the term, the WP:OR is just that. There is no question (at least so far as I'm concerned) that corn is synonymous with maize in most of the English-speaking world. However, your Google searches are inconsequential when there are dictionaries and other reliable sources that state very explicitly and often as the first definition that corn is any of various cereal plants or grains. older ≠ wiser 18:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Maize" is the proper English name for this item. It is unambiguous. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with both of the above, also please remove the headlines, they mess up the talk page. And yes, "corn" is "the most common crop of the region in question". Unless you put AE=all languages, of course?--FlammingoHey 21:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Great ;-) Also, the notion that corn is now that which the US-Americans think it is still applies to... yes, the US citizens, and I'm certain the internet is full of (US)American English, so googling "corn" doesnt do the trick.--FlammingoHey 21:04, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope the new version is satisfactory?--FlammingoHey 21:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Thanks, but your labors are nonetheless Original research. Meriam-webster, which you mention above,  gives generic grain s the first definition, with caveat that it is chiefly dialectic usage. The second sense is also generic, "a small hard seed", with no usage note. The third sense, is of some interest: "the seeds of a cereal grass and especially of the important cereal crop of a particular region (as wheat in Britain, oats in Scotland and Ireland, and Indian corn in the New World and Australia)" I don't see this as supporting your argument. M-W clearly gives precedence to generic (or inclusive) senses as meaning grain in general, and specifically Indian corn in some countries. As a side note, [zea mays http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/corn Random House and American Heritage] both list Indian corn or sea mays as first use and then list a generic grain sense. In short, while there is no question in my mind that "corn" is synonymous with zea mays in most of the world (and bears mentioning first on the disambiguation page), the generic sense is not so uncommon. older ≠ wiser 04:21, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We learn from this that corn=maize, if you are an American, and some dictionaries will for that reason say corn is what Americans think it is. So what? as long as this isn't the American Wikipedia, there's no proof in any of these articles. Sources given.--FlammingoHey 09:14, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-IE/UK English 

message: The OED does not define corn as "the chief cereal crop of a district".  About 1500 words into its entry, at II 3, it says "Locally, the word, unless otherwise qualified, is often understood to denote that kind of cereal which is the leading crop of the district", going on to mention wheat "in the greater part of England", oats (Scotland and Ireland) and "in the US the word, as short for Indian corn, is restricted to maize".  Using "chief cereal crop" as the lead definition means that for many "districts" of the US and Canada, where more wheat than maize is grown, "corn" should mean wheat, when it clearly does not. Equally corn is not normally used for rice, sorghum, millet or other cereals which are the chief cereal crop of large areas of the world. Venturing into OR, I would say it is only used of large grained cereals (also mentioned in another OED section) of a yellowish grain colour in bulk - not whiteish like rice or millet - but this is a pretty subjective distinction I don't suggest we add.  The OED mentions that all sorts of beans, legumes etc may be called "corn" with a qualifier "black corn" etc.  In North America "Indian corn" started out like this, & then dropped the qualifier later. With this exception, plain "corn" means a dryland cereal with a  single stalk that is smooth for most of its length, and usually (not oats) a single ear with largish grains - whether wheat, oats, rye etc. I think all these are classified as Pooideae, but I'm not sure about that. Johnbod (talk) 15:46, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The way this strong American English policy goes, this article has no room to go beyond "Corn is a term for a cereal crop or its grain, such as:"; and, mind you, it's only a disambiguation page. There has never, now and in previous discussions obviouysly as well, been room for more than that. And most certainly not for anything that implies any kind of "corn is maize", which you have possibly sort of admitted it is not, or have you?--FlammingoHey 10:31, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I don't follow this, & certainly have no US bias, as coming from England. Johnbod (talk) 16:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm fine with taking a minimalist approach to the lede. More appropriate for a disambiguation page in any case (to avoid making factual assertions beyond identification of potentially ambiguous topics). For the record, there used to be a page discussing the "corn" as a word , but that was redirected back to the disambiguation page in April, with the rationale of redirect to corn per WP:NOTDICDEF (see [Talk:Corn (term) here] for limited discussion). Personally, I don't agree with such a narrow interpretation of Wikipedia is not a dictionary -- where words have complex and varied histories, there is room for encyclopedic treatment of the word. older ≠ wiser 12:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - I didn't know that page, which should be resurrected, & improved - moved to Corn (grain) probably. Johnbod (talk) 16:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - It was moved here, this page still looks the same as it was, unfortunatly; anyway, restore, and how about an "etymology" section?--FlammingoHey 15:39, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

text: And they are indeed all Pooideae, all but maize. Taking that into the group, all these crops are Poaceae, the family of grasses. That article also mentions the use of poaceae as main food source.--FlammingoHey 15:44, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[OED]] reference / American Bias (again) 

message: This section is primarily based on the renewable energy feature used by corn kernels and therefore it should remain its own page. Merging this section with "Corn" would lose its integrity of representing the primary use of corn kernels in renewable energy efforts. Rather than combining this with a page talking about maize and how/where/when its grown, we should keep this page separate in order to redirect those who are seeking information on renewable energy methods. It would be cleaner, more organized and more efficient to keep this page separate.
Jucunningham (talk) 16:15, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If anything, you might consider merging the article into Pellet stove#Corn stove. Corn kernels is not really notable topic by itself, though. A name change that better describes the topic might be useful, something like 'Corn as fuel'. --Aflafla1 (talk) 21:55, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not worth merging 

message: Good to see an accurate definition of corn. See also 'corn exchange' or 'corn dolly'. The internet is USA centric and hence it can be hard to get an accurate picture that is representative of the other nine tenths of the world. 2A00:23C6:492B:B901:CB9:175C:5787:101F (talk) 14:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corn not maize