Talk:List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction

message: I entered some movies in the other day that were in fact apocalyptic movies, such as Armageddon and Deep Impact. I don't see why these to movies are not placed in along with a lot of other syfy movies out there. This data base is lacking a lot of good movies that actually pertain to this subject when other films and such on here are really hard to know whether or not its apocalyptic or not.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.80.52.44 (talk) 22:47, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Those would be disaster films, not apocalyptic (the world isn't destroyed), and they are already listed there.MartinezMD (talk) 00:21, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Trying to be helpful

message: While readers of the novel will know that Cormac McCarthy was very specific not to name the disaster to destroy Earth as it was, it does mention that the Father sees the flash. In an asteroid impact everything would have been destroyed in a large radius, and that flash would probably have been his last thought.
More likely it could be a nuclear explosion in a nearby major city, in which case sufficient distance could be established. Nuclear winter being a major fear of many people during the time Cormac McCarthy has been alive might also be the cause of the dust.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.65.197.20 (talk) 08:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Its all speculation, it beliongs is unspecified.Slatersteven (talk) 14:23, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Road as an asteroid impact?? 

message: Replace:

With:

Reason:
Meany of the entries on this list appears to have been added based on the individual editors' opinion of what constitutes apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction. When editors insert their own analytic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims about a work of fiction's subject mater, they are engaging in original research. Any interpretation of the primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. Editors should not make analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims about material found in a primary source. (WP:PRIMARY)
—Farix (t | c) 13:00, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would support his edit.Slatersteven (talk) 13:04, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from TheFarix, 11 July 2010 

message: The tagging of all citations to the IMDb with 
Reasoning:
Do to the fact that the IMDb is a user-submitted resource, it is not a reliable source from which to support analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims about whether a work of fiction is apocalyptic or post-apocalyptic fiction. —Farix (t | c) 13:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Im wouold agree, I am only using them at this time to establish that there might be a reson for something being on the page. By the way what can we use as RS (DVD covers?).Slatersteven (talk) 13:33, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Rather than sticking a large number of maintenance templates on this article, would it not be better to start a discussion about how to clean the article up? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:40, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the source have to use the word appocalypse (and varients) or can we uise sources that say end of the world (I would say yes)?Slatersteven (talk) 16:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: An apocalypse doesn't necessarily equate to the end of an age or the end of the world, especially with fiction set during or after a cataclysmic event. So trying to make the connection would borderline on WP:SYN. So I would suggest that the reliable source must be explicit that a work of fiction is apocalyptic or post-apocalyptic fiction. —Farix (t | c) 17:42, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough.Slatersteven (talk) 18:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 2 from TheFarix, 11 July 2010 

message: From British Book News: "First published in 1936, apocalyptic novel about man's survival in a world destroyed by war"; three Google hits for people referring to it as apocalyptic:  ;  ;  -- Levana Taylor (talk) 15:10, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source: Wild Harbour 

message: The following are all listed in the 1st edition of the encyclopedia of SF as end of the world stories. Does this count as RS? I havwe left out what appear to be factual books that inspired end of the world stories.
The last Man (De Grainville)
The last Man (Shelly)
The Coversation of Eiros and Charmion (poe), Bit iffy that but if its RS.
Moega (Flammarion)
The Time Machine, the Star, A vision of Judgement, the World Set Free, All Aboard for Ararat, Mind at the end of a Tether (Wells)
Last and First Man (Stapleton)
Olga Romanoff (Griffiths)
Underground Man (De Tarde)
The Purple Cloud (Shiel)
The House on the Boarderland (Hodgson), Also in my opinion pushing the definition a bit.
The Last Generation (Flecker)
Lord of the world(Benson)
The Seconod Deluge (Serviss)
Nordenholts Millions(Conningham)
Actuialy I will stop this for now, this would be a very long list.Slatersteven (talk) 16:21, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction would be a reliable source for such analysis if the source directly states that the work is apocalyptic or post-apocalyptic fiction. In the event that an earlier edition of The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction labels a work as apocalyptic or post-apocalyptic fiction but later editions doesn't, then that should be noted. —Farix (t | c) 17:44, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: These are in in the section "end of the world". But I assumje you are saying that it actualy has to say a given story is about thye end of the world not just have it as an example of an end of the world story witout calling it such.Slatersteven (talk) 17:59, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: End of the world

message: The DVD of The Last Battle (Luc Besson) calls it a "Exploration of post-Apocalyptic Survival" RS or not?Slatersteven (talk) 23:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: DVD cover

message: The title of the entry is Cross-platform, but more colloquial and recognizable still would be Multi-platform, what should we use?
As somebodies already asked for removing the "type" column , though there are sections which still require it, but in "games" sections, for their own sake,  it'd be better to replace (not to remove) with the "platform" information, as console games are pretty popular nowadays along with pc-games. Userpd (talk) 00:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  So what word will we use? (multi / cross) 

message: Do we need sources for things that have apocalypse in the title that they are apocalyptic?Slatersteven (talk) 14:07, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: It dose what it says on the tin

message: Telotte, J. P. Science Fiction Film. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2001.
"One particularly noteworthy application of the seemingly boundless capacity of CGI effects for "making visible" our almost unimaginable fantasies has moved  beyond this long fascination with artifice in a telling way. In fact, it marks a return to a territory first explored during the Depression in such films as Deluge (1933) and SOS Tidal Wave (1939), and again during the cold-war years in works like When Worlds Collide (1951) and The Day the World Ended, that of the apocalyptic disaster.  In Independence Day (1996) an alien civilization suddenly appears, apparently intent on wiping out human civilization and, like interstellar locusts, consuming all of our planet's resources before moving on to another doomed host. Starship Troopers (1997) builds upon this same impulse with its tale of interplanetary warfare, impelled by asteroids sent to crash into Earth by the insect inhabitants of the distant planet Klendathu. With Deep Impact (1998), Armageddon (1998), and several similar narratives, we see Earth's inhabitants confronting a seemingly inevitable end (a situation previously envisioned in Abel Gance's science fiction epic La Fin du monde [End of the World, 1931] and the British film Meteor [1979]), one that all of their technological attainments seem practically powerless to avert. Obviously linked to the coming of the millennium (in much the way that the closing years of the nineteenth century similarly saw a proliferation of literary works on futuristic and apocalyptic themes), these films seem intent on suggesting both the limits of our technological attainments and our ultimate dependence on those same attainments. Indeed, in Deep Impact the spaceship that, through a suicide mission, manages to save Earth from an Extinction Level Event, as it is termed in the film, is named Messiah. Significantly, in all of these films what makes that last-moment technological salvation possible is something far more fundamental, more human than any scientific creation -- it is the coming together of a group of individuals, of mismatched and unlikely heroes whose selflessness and imagination manage to overcome or work around the initial, and seemingly final, failures of their technology." pp. 119-120.
This book also uses the word "apocalyptic" to refer to Akira; "near-apocalyptic" for The War of the Worlds (1953). --Levana Taylor (talk) 20:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Science Fiction Film'' by J. P. Telotte. 

message: Wolmark, Jenny. Aliens and others: science fiction, feminism and postmodernism, Chapter 4. 1994 . Iowa City : University of Iowa Press, 1994. Particularly Chapter 4.
Fortunati, V. "The metamorphosis of the apocalyptic myth: from Utopia to science fiction". in Utopias and the millennium, edited by Krishan Kumar and Stephen Bann. London : Reaktion Books, 1993.
Ketterer, David. "The Apocalyptic Imagination, Science Fiction, and American Literature" in. Science Fiction: A Collection of Critical Essays. ed. Mark Rose. Prentice-Hall, Inc., Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey  1976.
Ketterer, David. New worlds for old: the apocalyptic imagination, science fiction, and American literature.  Bloomington, Indiana University Press [1974]. 
Miller, Jim. "Post-Apocalyptic Hoping: Octavia Butler's Dystopian/Utopian Fiction". in Scraps of the untainted sky: science fiction, utopia, dystopia, ed. Tom Moylan. Boulder, Colo. : Westview Press, 2000.
Howell, Yvonne. Apocalyptic realism: the science fiction of Arkady and Boris Strugatsky.Peter Lang Publishing, Inc. 1994
Susan Sontag, "The Imagination of Disaster", Commentary, October 1965. 
--Levana Taylor (talk) 20:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Another good source of references is Kim Newman's Apocalypse Movies: End of the World Cinema (2000) Hypnosifl (talk) 06:48, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible sources for references 

message: I can't find it on the list and don't know the name.  I recall seeing a movie (aired on television) in the mid 80's, so I think it was a late 70's movie.  Not sure about the cause (might have been nuclear war) but it led to famine.  One of the main characters had access to food estimate data and in the end poisons himself and family rather than starving to death.  I recall it seemed like the mafia was in the story as well trying to use it's influence to get food and let it's members live.  Anyone know this movie?  I'd like to include it on the list. MartinezMD (talk) 21:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand that.  I'm trying to find it to make the list more inclusive, not discuss the movie.MartinezMD (talk) 22:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finding a film 

message: This article is a complete mess.  Notable works are missing (eg. the movies Armageddon and Deep Impact), some appear in the wrong table, some appear twice.  The tables are randomly ordered (I suggest picking alphabetical or date order and sticking to it consistantly).  The sourcing, particularly of the works with no corresponding Wikipedia article, is poor or non existant; then again, perhaps works with no corresponding Wikipedia article should be excluded due to lack of notability.  Astronaut (talk) 13:38, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have started to put CN tags for films. But there is a lot of work.Slatersteven (talk) 15:05, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In Armageddon (1998 film) and Deep Impact (film), earth/human society is not ruined by an event but is instead saved in the end.  They are already appropriately listed on the List of disaster films.  Other editors have previously removed these movies from the listing and I have subsequently too. MartinezMD (talk) 15:21, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree this page is about actual apocalypses, not potential ones.Slatersteven (talk) 13:15, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a mess 

message: Response to third opinion request:
Folks -- first of all thanks for the fantastic work! This is an incredibly comprehensive page, regardless of the format! As for the specifics, I would personally prefer the "big table" format. My rationale is that the ability to sort data quickly that is built in the Wikipedia pages increases usability significantly. Since we can't predict how exactly users are going to want to slide and dice the information (by year? by topic? by medium?), it appears to make more sense to keep a single flat table. Again, this is awesome work. Thanks everybody!!!—Paolo (talk) 02:59, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to Third Opinion Request

message: After seeking opinions about the new "table" layout, it appears that we have three votes for the new "table" layout (Stephen Ferg, MD Martinez, and Paolo from the "third opinion request"), and one for the existing "section" layout (Steven Slater).  
In view of the preponderance of community opinion, I am planning to convert this article to the table layout. Comments? StephenFerg (talk) 02:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No comment other than I think the full table is superior.  If there are gaps in data fields, we can correct those deficiencies. MartinezMD (talk) 04:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Planning to reformat this article in new "table" layout. Comments?

message: Article is now new "table" layout. StephenFerg (talk) 13:17, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Just wanted to say I much prefer the new table layout over the previous version with different sections for type of apocalypse.  That being said, the single large table is a bit unwieldy.  I'm not sure if this has already been discussed, but scanning the discussion I didn't notice a suggestion of splitting the table by media type. Something along the lines of Text/Graphic, Video, Game, and maybe Other.  Perhaps that could be considered for future updates?  Megaton.us (talk) 04:15, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The first column divides it into basic types.  Did you see that and are suggesting further categories?MartinezMD (talk) 08:10, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking of breaking up the table into parts, but I agree the current format is fine, and usable. Megaton.us (talk) 02:43, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Would anyone have an objection to capitalizing the names of the Formats and Causes?  The all lowercase just looks strange on the page, as if its still unfinished. Megaton.us (talk) 02:43, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Great, like I said, this version really is better than the older one, and multiple sorts (for example type, then year, then title) seem to work fine which takes care of separating by media type for me. Megaton.us (talk) 02:28, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reformatting of this article is complete (August 1, 2011)

message: Hi Megaton -- 
Breaking up the list by media type (or any other category) was just the kind of thing that we were trying to get away from by making a big list.  The older format had things split up by causes of the apocalypse, then by media type.  But that made sorting and searching for things in other ways (e.g. sorting by date or by title) difficult.  
There were pros and cons for each format, and we spent a lot of time (calendar time) talking about it, especially with Steven Slater, who has been doing a fantastic job of maintaining the list for a long time, and requesting input.  Eventually, the consensus was that the table (big list) format was preferable because it was more flexible and more helpful to users.
You're right -- it is awkward to edit a big long list.  The upside is that it is a lot easier to use the page.
Another upside that I've noticed is that the ability to sort things helps in detecting problems.  For example, in the old format, there were duplicate entries (in different sections) for "Earth Abides".  And one of them had the wrong "cause".  Being able to sort the list by name --  so that the two duplicate entries sorted together -- made it easy to see that they were inconsistent duplicates. 
So the bottom line, I think, is that what makes the list most useful is just the fact that it is not split up by categories.  That makes it possible for each user to re-sort the list by the category that is most useful to him or her.StephenFerg (talk) 18:41, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, like I said, this version really is better than the older one, and multiple sorts (for example type, then year, then title) seem to work fine which takes care of separating by media type for me. Megaton.us (talk) 02:28, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Should we split the table by media type, or any other category?

message: I'm wondering if it would be appropriate to include items of post-apocalyptic audio fiction on the list. For example, episodes of Old Time Radio dramas that focused on PA topics, or modern podcast audio dramas.
I've started such a list on an external wiki, but if they would be welcome here, then I'll move them over.
Post-Apocalyptic Radio Shows and Audio Dramas
Megaton.us (talk) 04:25, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, until anyone else chimes in, I'll just add an item in the External Links section. Megaton.us (talk) 02:30, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, my external wiki link was automatically rolled back.  I guess I'll link to the Archive.org page for the public domain or Creative Commons audio files.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Megaton.us (talk • contribs) 23:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this list include audio fiction? 

message: I'm not sure.  But I think adding a link to your wiki page would certainly be appropriate. StephenFerg (talk) 18:15, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, until anyone else chimes in, I'll just add an item in the External Links section. Megaton.us (talk) 02:30, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, my external wiki link was automatically rolled back.  I guess I'll link to the Archive.org page for the public domain or Creative Commons audio files.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Megaton.us (talk • contribs) 23:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Maybe

message: At the very least I would suggest renaming "death star" to something more representative of an impact event.  Planetary Impact, Impact Event, or Astronomic (Astronomical?) Impact or similar.  And I'd like to rename "sun" to be more inclusive of non-impact events such as cosmic rays and such.  Or perhaps just blend those to categories into one. Megaton.us (talk) 03:28, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree totally on the death star.  Made the change.MartinezMD (talk) 03:42, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

text: I changed it first to Astronomic impact, but when I looked, there is a Wiki article on impact event, so I used that instead.MartinezMD (talk) 03:49, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion of Causes used in the list 

message: I'm a little curious as to what went into the decision to include 2.1 'about the format of the list' and 2.2 'how to use the list' in the actual encyclopedia article?  after reading the discussions it's clear that much consideration was put into the formatting of the list, but is this appropriate to include in the article itself? Jrober (talk) 02:34, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you.  I don't think a history of the page is needed in the article.  For that the reader can use the talk page. I removed those sections.MartinezMD (talk) 12:59, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  contents 2.1 and 2.2 

message: Some lists of books have been added to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. You can find the discussions here. RockMagnetist (talk) 22:16, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alert: lists of publications in Articles for deletion 

message: Is there some reason not obvious to me that the Fallout series, perhaps the single most publicly-known example of post-apocalyptic game, is not in this list?  I can think of plenty of other games that are missing, too: Bad Blood, Half-Life (2/2.1/2.2), Metro 2033 (though the novel is listed), et cetera.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.31.152.159 (talk) 06:19, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason is: you are overlooking it.  The Fallout series, Half life, Metro 2033, are all in the article.Bad Blood is the only one you mentioned that has not been added.MartinezMD (talk) 07:10, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is my first time seeing/using this list. Would something like Inherit The Earth be allowed, or would it be bad form to include this as it is a major spoiler and surprise that the game is actually post-apocalyptic? On the one hand it definitely counts contextually, but on the other, it's a rare enough work that its inclusion would completely ruin the surprise for anyone coming across this rare gem. If judged acceptable I would also have no idea where it ought to be dropped in the list.172.129.11.213 (talk) 14:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fallout and other games? 

message: Before worrying about inclusion criteria for entries in this list, you should establish the notability of the list itself (see the notability criteria for stand-alone lists). Note the emphasis on reliable sources. I have added one, but it would help to have a few more. RockMagnetist (talk) 07:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sadly in the old style list there were a number of sources from books discusing this genre.Slatersteven (talk) 12:20, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Those could be recovered from the history. RockMagnetist (talk) 16:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability of the list

message: This list would be significantly easier for readers to use, and editors to edit if we got rid of the table and created sections for each of the media types--literature, comics, film, television.  Right now, the table is so big, it doesn't sort quickly and the extraneous markup necessary for the table has added an enormous amount of bytes that really slow this thing down.  Any objections? --Mike Cline (talk) 14:12, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It used to be sort of like that, it was decided that this was better (I agree with you).Slatersteven (talk) 14:47, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: >"it was decided that this was better" - Who decided? It's sad that merely two-three users can silently agree on a thing that will make navigation much worse than it used to be. Then some user parrots and brings article into such a horrible state. I suggest such users to focus their energy on finding films that aren't yet presented in the article and then add the found films to the article. Let alone the fact that you can't sort by films, you'll have to scroll down and seek for them in the big table, as it's presented in the current state of the article. ChaChing! (talk) 18:46, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This has gotten silly and useless.  "Games" are not fiction, and most of the listings in "Other" are wildly obscure.  Listing comic books also undermines the credibility of the list as you have serious works of literature beside childish anime and manga.  It's too bad this entry is actually declining in quality.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.146.76.228 (talk) 19:12, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I lol that just because you feel another whole country's works are useless that you would deem they unnecessary of inclusion. Thank goodness you don't have a hand in REAL encyclopedias.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.129.11.213 (talk) 14:46, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Lets blow up the table!

message: Right now the table seems horrendous. Many items that don't have a date (year) get lost when you sort by year. You can't sort films by "war" and start exploring them by chronology, while if the table was derived separately, you could simply go to needed section (war) and sort by year. And it also makes it harder for new contributors to add a film, they will have to deal with such a huge table, seek for proper category etc. Mess needs to be avoided and detailed data needs to be accessible more comfortable. Pessimist2006 (talk) 21:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest taking this to RFC, I would like to comment but I think getting more eyes would help come to a conclusion which sticks. Someoneanother 16:47, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  let's vote on dividing tables by its sections 

message: Should this list remain a single table, return to being a individual lists (by apocalypse type then by medium) which it was previously, or be split into individual lists either by apocalypse type or medium? Or is there another option? Someoneanother 06:46, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment Also, it seems that users on slow-operating computers, such as netbooks with single-core processors experience freezes while accessing the current big table. Plus, small size of display also obstructs one's findings in such a big table that is on par also not comfortable to deal with. And usually users look for certain categories of apocalyptic/post-apocalyptic films (to edit certain section), so they don't need to load all of the article. If the current big table were to divide into separate tables by medium/type; as content of the article used to be - that would also decrease excessive overload of a Wikipedia server. Even if on a small scale. Pessimist2006 (talk) 18:48, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: RFC: List format

message: There's a proposal to merge this article with current one. For two reasons: all of films are already covered in this (List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction) article, and list of films in the other article is short, so there's no need for an additional article. Secondly, it's better to simplify and have one stable article about everything related to apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic stuff, as there are not so many views per these two articles. Is better to unite these view numbers and direct/focus them onto one article, which would increase editing activity in one, single article as well. Pessimist2006 (talk) 21:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion 

message: quote article: "Apocalypticism is the religious belief that there will be an apocalypse, a term which originally referred to a revelation of God's will, but now usually refers to belief that the world will come to an end very soon, even within one's own lifetime."
This does not specifically specify or deny  that the term, Apocalypticism can be non-religious.  The term "apocalyptic" is prolly assumed by most to mean either way, which could generate confusion here. This introduces a need to exactly specify or lawyer-proof the meaning, as do most (all?) dictionary definitions of that term.
apocalypticism: American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (it's religious)
apocalypticism: Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary, 11th Edition (it's religious)
apocalypticism: Dictionary.com ("noun Theology") Curiously, this is same definition as the article sites!? 
(it also says: "People who can define Apocalypticism may know 25,133 words, as many as a 8th grader. ")
It seems that term (an ism) "apocalypticism" has a specific meaning that is not: exactly of, nor exactly derived from; apocalyptic. This is common among "ism's."  It is good that the term is here due to it's obvious similarity, however, this vagueness should be corrected. It looks as if "apocalyptic" and "apocalypticism" are being equivocated. I would change it now, however there appears a be a very jealous, self-righteous (always right) editor here who worships his own words. (Forgive my frankness & repeating redundancy.) --68.127.84.25 (talk) 16:43, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Apocalypticism" is a "religious belief"  

message: I just came across this page and didn't want to add it myself incase it didn't fit.  Would the new sci-fi show 'Defiance' fall under apocalyptic literature?  The world does fall apart and is literally physically changed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.69.141.109 (talk) 20:49, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The show Defiance 

message: "Apocalypse is a Greek word referring to the end of the world." This is not quite accurate. The dictionary source cited for this reference refers to the New Testament and the Book of Revelations (it was the last book of the Bible to be accepted). In this Book---the destruction of the World gives way to a perfect and eternal city. It is not until the mid-twentieth century that apocalypse is equated almost solely with catastrophe. Apocalypse is from the ancient Greek meaning to "unveil" or "reveal."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.11.117.22 (talk) 16:35, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  correction 

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message: I've got a book that should be added to this list: Central Passage (1962) by Lawrence Schoonover.Malcolmlucascollins (talk) 05:16, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It'll need a reliable source that establishes its notability.MartinezMD (talk) 05:26, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
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message: I added The Mitchells vs. the Machines to this list because the movie, while an animated comedy, is clearly about a robot apocalypse, something mentioned in descriptions of the movie and in dialogue. Then it was deleted by User:MartinezMD because he said it wasn't ""a subgenre of science fiction, science fantasy, dystopia or horror in which the Earth's (or another planet’s) civilization is collapsing or has collapsed." The movie is clearly (1) Science fiction in which (2) the Earth's civilization is collapsing; so I'm unclear on how it should not be included. Anyway MartinezMD said I had to discuss it here, so here we are. Volcycle (talk) 05:12, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It appeared to be more of an averted robot takeoever, and the first few reviews I read about it (such as in Variety) didn't describe it as apocalyptic. However, upon further reading I see it is described as such, so I will revert my reverts. Apologies. MartinezMD (talk) 05:41, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
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message: Would Resident Evil: Welcome to Raccoon City film be relevant to this article? Would it fall under "apocalypse" umbrella term? Royih28087 (talk) 13:42, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know all the movies in the series, but many of them certainly are apocalyptic. See if you can find a reliable source calling it apocalyptic and add it if you do.MartinezMD (talk) 16:01, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would Resident Evil Welcome to Raccoon city be relevant to this article? 

message: I’ve added the film  “A guide to dating at the End of the world” to this list but since there is no page for this title on Wikipedia itself I’ve tried including different sources but they have all been rejected. Can I ask what source would be acceptable? CJsaurus (talk) 16:06, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Read wp:rs, for a start most sites with user-generated content are not RS. Slatersteven (talk) 16:10, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Also check out WP:Perennial sources. Daranios (talk) 20:29, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Moviemeter is not on there. Slatersteven (talk) 12:23, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acceptable sources for A Guide To Dating At The End Of The World