Talk:Edge (wrestler)/Archive 1

message: you are obviously less than even a casual wrestling fan.
:Hi WillC. Please note that talk pages are to be used be discussions on improving the main article as per Wikipedia:Talk page, not for personal attacks. Thank you for your attention. --Jtalledo (talk) 18:19, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: reply

message: i'm trying to improve; you keep taking factual info off.
:Nope. I'm just clarifying facts and making things into a neutral point of view.  Matt Hardy referring to Edge by that name in online commentary is a fact. Edge isn't better known as feces - which is what you put in there on the same level as his Edge nickname, as if he was actually called that by ring announcers and such. The feces nickname is something Hardy came up with - and is a clearer fact than the vague idea of "certain wrestling circles" referring to him by that nickname. Thanks for understanding. --Jtalledo (talk) 21:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: reply2

message: i will accept the current revision, but the circle of feces goes beyond matt hardy. do you read any "smark" websites? wrestling discussion groups?
:This is not the issue at hand. Whether or not Matt Hardy refers to Edge as feces (and I know he does) is irrelevant. This is not appropriate in Wikipedia's role as an online encyclopedia. Many people, including famous people, refer to George W. Bush using derogatory nicknames online. His article states that some people do not like him, but does not quote specific insults. In a wrestling context, many people also refer to Triple H in a similar manner. If, for example, A.J. Styles refers to Triple H as a "pompous ass" in a message board, would this be appropriate to place in Triple H's article? No.
:It is appropriate to report factual information about the affair, and to say that Edge is disliked by Matt Hardy, and by extension, some fans, but bringing up Matt's derogatory nickname for him is an attempt at passing off POV as factual report. This may even be an example of a weaselly statement.
:Also, the use of "Nugget" in Owen Hart's article isn't a valid comparison. Hart was referred to as a nugget on WWE television by several persons, whereas "feces" is just a personal moniker for Edge created by Matt Hardy, and picked up by sympathetic fans.
:Finally, if you wish to have an article reflect what you feel is the best and most appropriate content, it would help your case if you were more polite about it.  --Chrysaor 18:32, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
:I'll give you points for using "circle of feces" in a sentence, but I have to come down on the side of my WikiProject: Professional Wrestling colleagues.  I feel that Edge deserves it as much as you do, but, let's face it, calling somebody "feces" is definitely NOT NPOV.  --HBK 22:31, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
:Wait, you mean A.J. Styles has gone on message boards and called Triple H a pompous 
ass?--172.162.105.155 00:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: reply 3

message: The whole formatting and layout of this page could use a complete reworking. Sully's Gym should not be listed as a trainer, it's the name of the gym, not a person. Also, random facts are interjected into places they do not belong like his career and his upper summary. The recent happenings with Lita and Matt Hardy belong in a footnote at the bottom of this page, under a Recent Controversy heading... that is if they deserve to be mentioned at all. This is wikipedia, not The National Enquirer, or a place for fanboys to vent out.
I would edit this page myself, attempting to format all the data properly, but I fear some immature individual would ruin the effort. (history states this comment was written by VampyreDark; please sign your comments)
:You can't be afraid to edit a page because you fear someone will vandalize it. Otherwise nothing will get done. If you think the page would be better a different way, fix it. If you don't want to, don't tell others to do it.  --Chrysaor 00:37, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
:Not normally. But it seems to be a different case at the moment for this particular page. I did not have an account to sign with at the time I made the first edit. Sorry about that. --VampyreDark
::Well, this page isn't nearly bad as a bunch of other pages that users constantly edit war over. Feel free to contribute in the near future. --Jtalledo (talk) 11:52, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: This Page

message: Is this page about Edge|Adam Copeland or about Matt Hardy? Most of the career and acomplishments of Edge are either glossed over quickly, or not mentioned all together, and instead we have a week by week account of every second Edge spends on TV and how it relates to the current Matt Hardy feud instead of a proper summary of his career. Matt Hardy's page is in sadly the same state. It's as if these two men did not exist prior to this last march when this current storyline began. Curious readers who wanted to look up these two and learn about them would come away without learning anything.
There should be a proper summary of Edge's career including all past highlights. The current storyline, like all others should be nothing more than a small summary along with the rest. If some are that eager to write about it, then why not give it it's own proper article as a great storyline, instead of hijacking two (possibly 3, if Amy Dumas' article is in similar shape) articles. --VampyreDark 07:15, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, well there's a lot of these type of articles with the same issue. There's an archived discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling about bias toward current events. The only thing to do is just clean it up a little... --Jtalledo (talk) 00:35, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Format

message: It wreaks of awesomeness that somebody already updated his Wiki bio to include that he's the new world champion.  Whoever did it gets two thumbs up from me. :) BronzeWarrior 06:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWE Championship 

message: I hope nobody mimds, but I moves all quotations to Wikiqoute and put a link above the infobox. I also updated the picture. - Web kai2000 18:43, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: I've deleted all comments relating to it as it won't be agreed on what to put as the IWC cannot agree on the complexities with his relationship with Lisa and Amy. I don't think the opinions of wrestling news sites or Matt Hardy are valid sources as neither are reliable and neither are unbiased. I think its best the whole section goes rather than adding to speculation
NOTE
Any "information" that comes from wrestling news sites is not neccarsarily factual. There is no evidence he is reconciling with his wife - there was evidence on an Edge fansite that he is divorced as of November so just leave it at that rather than posting unfounded rumours
Again - I emphasise, stop posting unfounded rumours from so called news sites
I haven't heard anything about Adam and Amy breaking up or that he went back to his wife so I would like to know where these people are getting this information! There is no evidence that says that Adam is with his wife and not with Amy so could someone please put a source to these rumors! If you don't have a reliable source, not a wrestling site that produces incorrect infromation, don't post anything at all!
The status of Adam and Amy's relationship is currently unknown as neither have confirmed anything.
Lita and Edge have broken up. He's back with his wife. http://www.pwpix.net/superstars/e/edge/gallery/photoscans/1/
On Adam Copelands wifes own website, Lisa Copeland seemed pretty annoyed about the whole Edge/Lita thing.  I'm pretty sure they broke up because she mentioned it a few times on site, but I don't have the website up right now for quotes.  However, that's not to say they didn't work things out.The Neverdoll 13:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life 

message: How the hell is it spelt anyway? Kingfisherswift 17:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, okay. Anyway, about the move, I was gonna write something about that in here myself. I'm pretty sure it is Edgecator as that is how it is spelled in this gen's WWE video games. The damn thing never gets called by that name on WWE TV (thank you soooooo much Boomer Sooner), so there's no way to go by commentator pronuncation or WWE.com. I think it should be changed, but I'll leave it as is for the time being. Tromboneguy0186 05:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Edgecator. That's the only way we've seen it spelled officially. Also, it's the same with a lot of moves. They get a name announced on TV once, and never again. L2K 17:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edgecator/Edgucator/Edgeucator

message: does anybody know who sings his current theme?
ViperBite 14:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming he hasn't changed it yet, Alter Bridge probably still sings it. That song's name is "Metalingus." The band actually appeared on an episode of WWE Raw with Edge. --Jtalledo (talk) 17:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current theme 

message: Can someone tell me why RVD dropped the WWE Title to Edge? I don't get it.User:Killswitch Engage
RVD got high and got caught. He's out of the picture now. Maestro25 03:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Second Reign

message: A google search finds only this article referring to his Half-Nelson Bulldog as the "Face Plant" or "Faceplant", while another search finds many pages referring to it as the "Winning Edge". I'm hesitant to change it since, apparently, it's been "Face Plant" for a while, and maybe all those other pages I saw simply copied the name from Wikipedia. Admittedly, most had the same/nearly the same information as this article, but some did not (referring to the move not as a bulldog, but as a Half-Nelson Face Buster, for example). Should it be changed? MethnorTalk to me!
I believe we should include both names, as both names have been used for that move.--172.162.105.155 00:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winning Edge/Faceplant 

message: On RAW, Jim Ross called this move an Impaler DDT, which is the common name (as far as I know) for the Lifting DDT variation of the Implant DDT for a male wrestler.  Should it be changed, or was it an error on J.R.'s part regarding the proper name of this move in relation to the Edge character.  Thanks D2001dstanley 15:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What I find hysterical about that is that Christian's Unprettier was originally known as the "Impaler" (and is called that on WWF No Mercy), and changed because Christian himself said the move made his opponents "so damn unpretty." Yet Edge never referred to the DDT as the "Impaler" and HAS referred to it as the "Edgecution." Tromboneguy0186 21:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: In other words, both moves have been recognized as the Impaler but have been given their own names by Edge and Christian. Strangely, Christian's move was named "Impaler" before "Unprettier", while Edge's move was named "Edgecution" before "Impaler". That is funny.--172.162.105.155 00:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Twice? Either Edge only used it twice with Styles as an announcer or Joey has said it more than twice. During all those months with Styles as the announcer, that was the move's main going name. Period. 63.215.29.185 20:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edgecution/Impaler DDT 

message: Edge no longer resides in Toronto. He now lives in Tampa Bay.
Which would be excellent if he wants to move to TNA --Fr3nZi3 17:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the same case as Christian, which only serves to prove your point. 63.215.29.185 21:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't mean anything. A lot of wrestlers live in Tampa, and have been doing so since before TNA started. TJ Spyke 04:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Resides

message: It is my opinion that there are far too many pictures in this article, considering it's length. Some of them should probably be removed, but I'm not sure which are necessary and which aren't. Lats time I counted there were 7. --Sheepling 10:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you're probably right. I might remove some of them from the page. --Jtalledo (talk) 21:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I removed it because it was black and white. If you can find a color picture of him performing the spear, please upload it, tag it with proper source and copyright info and replace the Edgecator picture. --Jtalledo (talk) 13:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The amout of pictures 

message: Adam Copeland ----> Edge (wrestler). If you havent noticed, Edge has been appearing on many shows across the US and Canada (including ESPN) ever since his second WWE Championship. He's on the verge of becoming perhaps a crossover star, such as Stone Cold, The Rock, or Triple H.
:Nominate it and let it be voted on. - Bdve 19:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: Why is this listed? It was never recognized and never official and seems like it shouldn't be listed at all. Bdve
Agreed the title was just a gimmik to get a fued started for ECW and most likely wont be used again. Unless they make is for us in the ECW brand of WWE.
Yeah. I mean i dont think WWE should even have that title. Its too old. 
blitzer natu 01:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Co-Hardcore title

message: im not to good at doing it my self but why is every single time he has won the tag titles listed? it should just be put once with the number of times he won it. because it was always or most of the time with christian cage any way.  Thenewjackblackk 20:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Listing down every title is a Wikipedia tradition. Just because Edge won so many tag titles doesn't mean you throw that away. 205.188.116.131 03:48, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Sucession boxes bloat articles as much as comprehensive individual title histories do. There is a proposal on the talk page for WP:PW right now that would label such content as "markcruft". - Chadbryant 20:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're suppose to list every title, though...Wikipedia is an encyclopedia!  :)  Qubeh 11:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many titles listed

message: Edge used to use the German Suplex, Belly to Belly suplex, a modified Big Boot that the commentators referred to as Big Kick, and some other moves in the past. Would that be worth noting in the moves list? --TJ Sparks 19:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the MoveList 

message: Edge was on an episode of Mind of Mencia on Comedy Central and was color commentating for the Religious Royal Rumble and speared an actor portraying L. Ron Hubbard. I just thought this was important enough to make it for Media —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.54.97.191 (talk) 22:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: About the Media

message: Edge has done the moves I added several times. He does the sleeper hold/rear naked choke to ground opponents all the time. Hes done the big boot several times, especially while he was "Mr. Money in the Bank". Hes done the back suplex as a counter to an opponent's sleeper hold or sleeper hold attempt. Russian Legsweep goes without saying as he has done that move all throughout his career. Hes done the german suplex and belly to belly suplex mainly when he was a singles face, and hes done the belly to belly once as a heel. If you have any issues with my edit, contact my talk page here. --TJ Sparks 16:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the edit I did to the movelist 

message: I added that Edge is best known for being the most decorated tag team champion with a record of 12 tag team titles (or something to that effect), but I took a look and that's just for WWF/E. It doesn't include the other tag team championships he won in other promotions. Should we include them in the total tag team title amount? I know WWE promotes him as a 12-time tag team champion, but I'm wondering if we should go ahead and add all the others. Any thoughts on this? Anakinjmt 05:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it really is a work, I'm sure that the WWE would be happy that some people actually believed what they said. Nothing would come of reporting this site. Cheers, -- THLR 05:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Tag Team Titles 

message: For my edits, here is why I made them.
*Edge, on his 2001 singles run, originally called his lifting DDT the Buzzkiller, and I remember this because I thought he stole the name from Tajiri, the Japanese Buzzsaw.
*Edge never called his Half-nelson bulldog the Winning Edge. I don't care if the game developers of SvR call it that, but thats not the official name. They probably named it such to differentiate from any other half nelson bulldogs they may have in the game.
*Granted, the COD - Concussion on Delivery and Impaler DDT are not official names (I only added the COD one), but Joey Styles referred to the lifting DDT as such during his run as lead RAW announcer. I mean, he named Carlito's Double knee backbreaker the Backcracker, so I thought it would be at least worth noting COD. As for the Impaler DDT, JR calls any "devastating" manuvers (in the case of the DDT) a devastating DDT or impaler DDT. Not really worth mentioning since it is just his normal ramblings, but if you want to add it, go ahead. If you don't want COD in the list, then leave it out. However, buzzkiller stays as it was an official name. --  Jลмєs Mลxx™  Msg me  My contribs  21:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About my edits to movelist 

message: Here is why I made the reversion and the new edit:
*Edge has done the big boot several times throughout his career, and most recently at Tribute to the Troops against John Cena.
*JR refers to the Back suplex, not as a Belly to back suplex, but just simply a back suplex, and if you look at the definition of Belly to Back Suplex, it says the move is also known as a back drop and back suplex.
*Like I said last time, Buzzkiller is also an official name, which he used as the name for the lifting ddt when he started to use it.
Thats basically why I did that. --  Jลмєs Mลxx™  Msg me  My contribs  04:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About my recent edits 

message: Take any information that comes off of "Adam's" MySpace page with a pinch of salt. Unless it can be verified elsewhere, don't put it up. This MySpace seems to contradict everything he has said in interviews and should not be seen as the be all and end all of information. Wrestlers create MySpaces for a variety of reasons - gimmicks, publicity etc - and therefore, they do not always give an accurate picture of their actual lives and it may not always be them controlling said MySpace although its done in their name.
And just in case anyone thinks to have a dig at me, this includes ALL information that cannot be backed up with an independent quote from Adam.
Actually Ashley states on her official myspace (and it's proven to be hers), that Edge's Myspace is one of the few legit WWE myspaces.
Oh yeah, I'm not denying that its "his" in the technical sense but there is some doubt that Adam actually controls the page etc so and you can't deny that its very gimmicky so I wouldn't add anything from there unless there's something else to back it up.
Good point, I have noticed that a lot of the info on the page contradicts interviews and his book. Killswitch Engage 04:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: MySpace

message: no move. Andrewa 16:14, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Edge and Prince's real name's are not well known, I can't recall either having their real name being used. Adam Copeland wrote an autobiography under his real name and his real name was used many times on nation TV as part of the Edge/Lita/Matt Hardy angle. TJ Spyke 23:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Prince is Prince's real name. But that's not really the point.«»bd(talk stalk) 01:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: Add "# Support" or "# Oppose" on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
#Support as the nom. —mikedk9109SIGN 21:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Edge and Prince's real name's are not well known, I can't recall either having their real name being used. Adam Copeland wrote an autobiography under his real name and his real name was used many times on nation TV as part of the Edge/Lita/Matt Hardy angle. TJ Spyke 23:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Prince is Prince's real name. But that's not really the point.«»bd(talk stalk) 01:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey 

message: #Support as the nom. —mikedk9109SIGN 21:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Edge and Prince's real name's are not well known, I can't recall either having their real name being used. Adam Copeland wrote an autobiography under his real name and his real name was used many times on nation TV as part of the Edge/Lita/Matt Hardy angle. TJ Spyke 23:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Prince is Prince's real name. But that's not really the point.«»bd(talk stalk) 01:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: #Strong Oppose . He was well known on the indy circuit as Sexton Hardcastle, and has used his real name many times (like in his autobiography and during the angle with Lita and Matt Hardy where he was referred to by his real name several times). TJ Spyke 23:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: Why Can't We Add Edge's Myspace Page (Id Rather Be Hated For Who I Am, Than Loved For Who I Am Not 15:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No justification for adding it here - maybe you should remove it from Helms' page. --Dave. 15:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Myspace

message: I corrected Edge's WCW ring name to Damien Stryker. It was incorrectly written as Damon Striker. However, as listed in "Adam Copeland on Edge", which is Edge's autobiography, he states, "I wrestled as Damien Stryker (my worst moniker to date)against Meng and Kevin Sullivan." (Page 75) Scanadiense 07:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He must have a faulty memory. A picture of him in that era shows it as "Damon Striker" . TJ Spyke 04:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edge wrestled as Damien Stryker 

message: Hey just wondering why is Edgecator considered a Modified Inverted Texas Cloverleaf? What about Inverted/Modified Sharpshooter?
Read the article. -- The Hybrid 22:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edgecator 

message: Edge lost the Money in the bank ladder match at WrestleMania 23, making his first match in which he has not won. Does the lost effect him and the other 6 superstars or just the win count for Mr. Kennedy? is he 5-1 (win-loss)? Dro boy April 1, 2007 20:42
This was why I kept reverting the "Edge is undefeated at WM" bit of trivia. I knew Mr Kennedy would win. Darrenhusted 00:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, thats the best course of action. ProtoWolf 05:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of WrestleMania Streak?! 

message: I had originally editted his WM23 results, saying that he got injured. However, as it has been stated, we do NOT know if the injury is kayfabe or legitimate. Please do not keep editting this injury report until there are actual resources that says what happened. In the very least, please put some version of what was originally stated, that it is unsure as to whether or not this injury is related to the story line or not. Thank you. WiiAlbanyGirl 15:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When we find out whether the injury is legit or kayfabe, we will note it as such, until then being "unsure" amounts to speculation, which is unencyclopedic. Bmg916SpeakSign 15:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I support that very much so, and let's hope that people don't update this article at every rumor or speculation about Edge's injury. I think it's best to wait until WWE says anything about it...otherwise, Can't we assume it's Kayfabe? Or no... WiiAlbanyGirl 17:10, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno, usually you can tell if something's kayfabe, it looked real to me. That's why I'd rather not say anything until WWE does so we dont have to speculate. I guess we'll find out on Raw tonight. Bmg916SpeakSign 17:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, in most cases of real injury it would have been announced minutes or hours after it happened, and would be all over WWE.com by now. I think it is safe to say the injury is Kayfabe. ProtoWolf 01:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Rumors going around are that since he was removed from the ladder match early, the loss will not count against his record, but it's best to wait until they make note of this before including it. 164.116.223.45 17:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, I don't know where you heard this, but it still counts as a loss since he was in the match. TJ Spyke 04:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Lol, if you don't win the match, it counts as a loss. I agree with TJ Spyke, that's the way wrestling works. WiiAlbanyGirl 14:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not just WWE either. Look at how TNA treated Samoa Joe and Christian Cage's undefeated streaks. 172.145.176.24 02:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Injury at Wrestlemania 23