Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Archive 2

message: I was just looking around at some of these projects...this one seems to be one I'd like to help out with :) I could do some of the North American ones, like the War of 1812, since I wrote a bunch of stubby articles about that war. Adam Bishop 14:00, 6 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  North American wars 

message: Next question.  What about purely air battles, such as the Battle of Britain or the Doolittle Raid?  I'd suggest a grey or silver text over the appropiate color. Gentgeen 07:29, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got a battle box up for the Doolittle Raid using #2f4f4f for use in air battles.  Any comments? Gentgeen 18:24, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a question (unrelated, I suppose), is there a reason the picture captions are dropped for this project? RadicalBender 18:33, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: I find #2f4f4f a bit dark to distinguish from black.  Perhaps #0084c4.  Also should Battle of Jutland become the example using the "open ocean" scheme? Geoff 01:24, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air battle colour scheme 

message: On my browser (Konqueror 3.1.3) the 'Battle before' and 'Battle after' lines are left justified to the text. But I see it works fine on Galeon 1.3.8 though (a Mozilla-based browser). --mav
:I like the idea of just using the "|+" markup for captions.  It keeps the whole template pretty simple.  There's nothing wrong with left-justification either, as long as it's consistent. Geoff
I'm not very fond of:
Possible definitions of "open ocean" are any battle that is mostly fought outside of:
- the 12 nautical mile territorial limit of any nation on a continent
- the 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone of continental nations 
Instead, I'd suggest that blue is used for every naval battle. The reason that it is often hard 
to determine what the exact distance of a fleet, let alone both fleets, was from the closest cape.
Also, cannt we right align the troops and casualties? TeunSpaans
:If you like. Geoff
Btw, Gsl, what did you have in mind for the image? We don't have art images of many battles, I'm afraid. TeunSpaans
:My interpretation is that if there's an appropriate image, include an image.  If there isn't, don't.  For some of the Gallipoli battles (2nd Krithia, Lone Pine, the Nek) there are associated paintings made by the official artist (I think) so I included those.  If there's nothing appropriate, I leave out the image.  The caption and image are optional, as far as I am concerned. Geoff 00:02, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think 'll leave them out. I don't like them, they add no real info, and artists impressions are rarely accurate. TeunSpaans 16:07, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki table 

message: :I'd suggest one of our featured articles, Attack on Pearl Harbor, which has no battle box, but that could be fixed; Battle of Aljubarrota, which has an older version of the battle box, again easy to fix, or First Battle of the Stronghold, which is a small battle that not many people have heard of, so might not generate much interest.  Just my nominees. Gentgeen 19:58, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Example article

message: On reflection and based on others comments, I am wondering whether the image should be removed from the standard battlebox template (Battle of Lützen (1632) at the moment).
*It doesn't have universal support (some like it, some don't)
*The image doesn't have a caption
*It can be hard/impossible to find a suitable image
*It complicates the template if most of the time you have to delete the image row
We could point to Lützen as an example of a battlebox with an image but I now think the standard template and its example shown on the project page should be image-free. Any thoughts? Geoff 09:21, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: An image should not be required at all...if there happens to be a related image, that's fine, but that will be a very rare case, I would think. Adam Bishop 15:03, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: The first image for any article has many of the same issues. Simply add a caption, find a better image, or just leave the image cell blank (so somebody else can come along and add an image later). But images are important in that they make articles look nicer and thus help get the interest of the reader. --mav 03:02, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battlebox images 

message: Interesting infobox based on the battlebox at American Civil War. There also was an idea for a per-nation war navigation footer table too, but the author reverted herself for some reason (see this diff) Please direct discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wars. --mav 02:58, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Wars infobox 

message: Just want to say, I upgraded the article Battle of Ratan and Sävar with the new info box. I also fixed the erroneous causality numbers (basically a mix up between total KIA and KIA in Ratan), I also found a very precise source for the causality numbers.
Kinslayer 21:07, 5 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle of Sävar and Ratan