Talk:Chevrolet Caprice

message: The assertion that the design of the 1991-1995 generation Caprice was influenced by the ovoid Taurus is odd,  because the ovoid Taurus did not come to the market until 5 years later.Eregli bob 01:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably referring to the '86-'95 Taurus, though I must agree that the use of the term "ovoid" is a bit odd, because neither the original Taurus nor the '91-'96 Caprice are really ovoid in design. Perhaps "aerodynamic" would be a better word to use there. --  02:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange assertion 

message: I have some doubts about the weight given here for the mid-70s model.  5800 lbs. is too high, I think.  About 5000 would account for even a Cadillac or Lincoln of that era.   RivGuySC 02:33, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weight? 

message: We need more material on engines in the 1977-1990 section. Remember, the GM B-bodies were at the heart of the controversy that erupted when GM began installing various divisions' engines in various divisions' cars. There were class-action lawsuits and quite a bit of a kerfuffle. Scheinwerfermann 16:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Engines 

message: Is all the information regarding the Impala really necessary for the Caprice article?  I know that the two are closely related but it just seems that there is too much information about the Impala in this article.  AndreniW 02:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impala 

message: Some Caprices came with TH250 transmissions. I would enter it if I knew the start/end years.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.233.59 (talk) 23:39, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turbo 250 transmission 

message: There have been a number of International Versions of Chevrolet Caprice based on US Eurpoean and Australian GM products.
Need some references and content. --Gcrispin (talk) 17:53, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Versions 

message: It's becoming clear that this page is heavily edited by fans and enthusiasts of the car.  Nothing wrong with that, of course, but the level of detail makes it excruciating to read.  You're welcome to post this information on the web somewhere, but the Wikipedia article should be a summary, not an end-all-be-all reference manual or history book.  There should be fewer tables (EPA ratings for 1977 cars by engine? really?) and engines and options/trim should be more summarized.  If you truly feel that this much detail is important in summarizing the car, and all of interest to a general audience, then I would at least suggest splitting the generations into separate articles, similar to the Honda Civic or Ford Mustang. --Vossanova o< 20:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't believe I didn't revert that gas milage comparison table on sight... it's ridiculous and is basically just a copy of the source. I'm going to remove that, and start evaluating the rest of the article. --Sable232 (talk) 05:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excessive length 

message: Here are the usual facts for four door models (which can easily be found in sales brochures and data books):
1971-1976
Headroom f/r 38.9/38.0
Legroom f/r 42.5/38.8
Shoulder room f/r 63.8/63.8
Luggage cap. (cu. ft.) 18.9
1977-1979
Headroom f/r 39.0/38.0
Legroom f/r 42.2/39.5
Shoulder room f/r 61.1/61.1
Luggage cap. (cu. ft.) 20.9
The EPA has published annual fuel economy guides since 1978. These guides categorize cars based on "interior space" which is defined as the sum of passenger volume and trunk or cargo volume. For example a midsize car has 110 to 119 cubic feet of interior space and a full size has 120 or more. Passenger volume is computed by finding the product of headroom, legroom, and shoulder room for both front and rear, converting each to cubic feet, rounding to the nearest cubic foot and then summing them.
For example the 1977-1979 Chevrolet Caprice has 39.0x42.2x61.1 = 100,558.4 cubic inches of passenger room in front. Dividing this by 1728 cubic inches per cubic feet yields 58.2 cubic feet of front passenger room. It has 38.0x39.5x61.1 = 91711.1 cubic inches of passenger room in rear. Dividing this by 1728 cubic inches per cubic feet yields 53.1 cubic feet of passenger room. Rounding to the nearest foot and adding them yields 111 cubic feet of passenger volume.
Now turn to any post EPA fuel economy guide and what you'll usually find is this for a downsized 4 door Chevrolet Caprice:
BODY TYPE/INTERIOR SPACE PASSENGER/TRUNK OR CARGO(CU.FT.) 4DR-111/21
EPA fuel economy guides obviously did not exist in 1971-1976 but repeating this calculation for a 1971-1976 Chevrolet Caprice yields 115 cubic feet of passenger volume. Thus the interior space of a four door 1977-1979 Chevrolet Caprice is 111 + 21 = 132 cubic feet whereas the interior space of a four door 1971-1976 Chevrolet Caprice is 115 + 19 = 134 cubic feet. The 1971-1976 Chevrolet Caprice is clearly roomier than the 1977-1979.
The main reason for the difference is shoulder room and the difference between 64.3 inches of shoulder room and 61.1 inches is dramatically obvious to anyone who has seen both cars. Furthermore the only interior dimensions that increased in 1977 were rear seat legroom and trunk space.
This also underscores the fact you cannot shorten a car by 10 inches, make it narrower by nearly 4 inches, loose 600 pounds and not lose interior room.
I know that the GM ads of the time pushed the idea that the 1977 full size cars were just as roomy despite the drastic downsizing. This usually involved mentioning (often trivial) increases in headroom or legroom from the previous year. (Interestingly, by odd coincidence, most full size GM models experienced correspondingly small decreases in headroom or legroom in the two years before the downsized models were unveiled.)However, nobody took it seriously then because anyone could see that there was a substantial decrease in room. And besides all of the interior dimensions were published in the sales brochures and data books for anyone to see.
Let's not keep promoting 33 year old sales propaganda. It is a vain hope of mine that wikipedia will someday be a source of factual historical automotive information.
Sadowski (talk) 21:14, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  1977 Did Not Increase Usable Space Compared to 1976 

message: How is "Caprice" pronounced? I have heard "Kuh-Pree" and "Kuh-Preece". Is there a proper way to pronounce it or is it just personal preference? Cheers! Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 07:18, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation? 

message: Isn't this an Impala with rear-wheel-drive rather than the usual front-wheel-drive? 2602:306:CDB2:4130:5850:9BFC:F6EB:D9F7 (talk) 04:39, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No do they look the same? OSX (talk • contributions) 05:55, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they do look the same. :D --2602:306:CDB2:4130:8C55:787D:CC2:2421 (talk) 21:48, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I suggest you urgently get your eyes checked. OSX (talk • contributions) 23:26, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  RWD Impala? 

message: GM's own passenger car VIN decoders (http://service.gm.com/dealerworld/vincards/) do not mention the Caprice or any other B-body car for 1997 or 1998.  There IS mention of a 'B' code in the light truck and incomplete vehicle VIN decoders, but other than that, GM appears to have been done with the Caprice and the other B-body cars.  The reason I ask because the infobox for the 91-96 cars says that production continued until November 14, 1997 for the Mexican market, yet everything I've read says that, as I said, the car ended production in December 1996 (and that no cars built at Arlington in 1996 were VIN'ed as 1997 cars).  Is there any proof that production of the B-body car continued for the Mexican market, and if so, where was it built?  If no proof exists, I'm going to move that the remarks in the infobox for the 91-96 car being continued in the Mexican market be deleted. Carguy1701 (talk) 20:36, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Located the edits in question, and judging from the other edits of the person who made them, I think its safe to say this was just trolling.  Don't know how no one caught these before.  Deleted the info about Mexican-market continuation. Carguy1701 (talk) 03:48, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: And I still have dyslexia. Carguy1701 (talk) 04:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of production for the B-body car 

message: Since this article has gotten big I thought it would be time to split the entries into seperate pages for each generation built in America while the 5th & 6th generations should be merged with the Holden Caprice & Holden Caprice (WM) pages.
Red Polar Bear (talk 00:30, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion of separate pages for each generation 

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message: The text of the Caprice article states that the Caprice became the Caprice Classic for 1973 but this does not seem to be supported by the 1973 US Chevrolet sales literature that I have been able to locate on the internet. Example here. The Canadian brochure on the same site does however reference a Caprice Classic. Is the statement correct for the US market? GTHO (talk) 04:03, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: 1973 Caprice Classic

message: A RFC posted at Project Automobiles is discussing the following question related to this article:
*Should the Chevrolet Caprice article mention in the body or via a see also link the Beltway_sniper_attacks's use of a Chevrolet Caprice?
Here is the specific addition in question: [].  
Springee (talk) 19:35, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If the RFC concerns this article, why isn't it being held here? See WP:Local consensus. Felsic2 (talk) 20:17, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Because we have two related additions.  Rather than ask people to comment at two locations both topics can be addressed in one common location and this talk page is notified via the link.  The same applies when someone asks a question at say WP:NPOVN.  Your link doesn't really apply in this case.  Springee (talk) 02:11, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Still seems off. Felsic2 (talk) 19:27, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

text: RAF910 I think the commenting is being done in the project page stated above.  But what are your encyclopedia reasons for your comments? Thank you,CuriousMind01 (talk) 14:22, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be under the mistaken belief that I have to prove anything. The burden of proof is on the person adding the information. And, there is NO Encyclopedic value to adding a gratuitous body count to this page or any other page on Wikipedia.--RAF910 (talk) 14:45, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: What do I need to prove and how do I prove it? Felsic2 (talk) 15:06, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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message: The material in the "9C1 Police model" section has no sources, like most of the other sections. In the case of that section, the material has been tagged since December 2015, nearly ten months ago. Was this article just written from someone's memory? Specific claims need to be cited. If we can't find sources for this and other material perhaps it's time to whittle this article down to what's verifiable. Felsic2 (talk) 14:57, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
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message: As its rival Ford Crown Victoria, the Caprice also appeared in many movies and TV Eposides. However, it appeared in Video Games much less than Crown Vic.
Besides, the diecast models of Caprice got lots of fault.
The UT 1/18 Caprice has 1995-1996 C-Pillar and Mirror but 1991-1993 Dashboard;
The MCG 1/18 Caprice are much longer and wider than it ought to be, and the fuel cap is located on the left rear fender (which ought to be covered by the rear license plate), and 1980-1986 headlamp cluster, 1986-1990 grille, but non-1986 hood ornament.
Well I wish I could post images about these faults, however under the law of Wiki, I'm afraid I can't.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linmengju (talk • contribs) 13:37, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public Cultures 

message: I do agree with most here, the article is long, but it is also very easy to navigate and full of very good information. However, I am not a Caprice enthusiast. I came to this page to educate myself on picking out a good affordable used car, and I am very happy with my choice. That aside, if there are any enthusiasts out there, this page claims that the 1989 models came with fuel injection on the 305 standard, yet my May 1989 engine is carbureted and the VIN code confirms this is the original configuration. I was very confused and somewhat concerned that someone had modified the car so heavily, based on the information from this page, but it just doesn't seem to be true. So, for anyone interested who might like to help revise that info, that's what I have learned. Unless, somehow, the 4bbl was considered better than fuel injection and remained as an option.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grissom7 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
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