Talk:Patrick Harrington (activist)

message: Removed two chatty parentheticals by 80.225.11.193:
: Le Cercle de la rose noire (the editor of Alternative Green has not even heard of this group!)
This may be true but we need a source, given that three of the 4 members cited on the editorial board page in issue 33 (3 before the issue that published the Harrington interview) were also credited on Rose Noire's website. It's no doubt coincidental that that website was deleted in its entirety yesterday. See Cercle de la rose noire article for details.
Note also that the author of the interview with Pat Harrington, Wayne John Sturgeon, was not only credited on the Rose Noire website, but was author of many interviews with Troy Southgate, including on the now-defunct National Revolutionary Front website (see article for links to archive).
: Troy Southgate, an editor of Alternative Green (he has had nothing to do with Alternative Green for over three years and was never an editor per se but did serve on an editorial board for two issues)
Edited article to reflect this claim.
As 80.225.11.193 is so well informed on the subject (s)he might have added for the record who the editor of Alternative Green is. Dogville 21:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Original comments

message: The following para has now been inserted twice:
: The respected US magazine Whole Earth has said: "Perhaps becuase Third Way party executive board member Patrick Harrington was formerly a leader in the National Front in the 1980s, the watchdogs of the British left have seen the Third Way as some kind of extreme-right trick to co-opt the left's pet issues. It would seem more likely, however, that when Harrington admits, 'I have revised some of my former views as unsound,' he means what he says, and that the Third Way represents a genuine attempt to break out of old ideological traps." Whole Earth, Summer 2000.
I've removed it twice because (i) 'respected' is NPOV; (ii) all this constitutes is the journalist's opinion re the reality of PH's ideological transformation. Opinion is no use here; we could doubtless come up with quotes from plenty of people who believe the same thing; and plenty of others who think he is presenting the same old wine in new bottles. PH's apparent ideological journey is certainly relevant and of interest but is better documented by examining and giving context to his own statements (eg in the Green Anarchist interview) than by listing people that do and don't believe him without explaining their qualifications to make such judgements or the basis on which they do. 
Dogville 15:26, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Whole Earth magazine

message: Article listed on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion Apr 20 to Apr 26 2004, kept as consensus was not reached. Discussion:
Page was created by user:dissidentcongress who, based on other things (c.f. Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress and MediaWiki:VfD-Populist Party UK) appears to be a vandal who is updating pages for either vanity or publicity reasons. No evidence that Harrington is a major figure in any way, shape, or form. Snowspinner 22:25, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion re proposed deletion, 2004

message: I understand that Patrick Harrington is a wikipedia editor. Which of you guys is it, then?--Streona (talk) 00:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly suggest that this line is not pursued further. We have policies here, such as WP:Harass and WP:Outing that guarantee anonymity for our editors, however strongly you may disagree with their views, and I suggest you also look at WP:soapbox having seen some of your edits elsewhere. Voltaire, you know. --Rodhullandemu 01:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hello,Patrick Harrington!

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message: The description of Harrington as far-right appears to be based on sources dating from many years back. Looking at these sources they don't explain why this description was appropriate even then. As the article indicates there has been a pattern of Harrington's views moving away from not just the far-right but the right. His latest positions appear to me to be a form of co-operative Socialism. I've also noted objections to the use of sources from Hope Not Hate on the basis that it is registered with the Electoral Commission as a campaigning organization and thus should not be relied on as a neutral source. May I ask that those putting in the description of far-right justify this on current sources and explain what views he currently holds that justify them in describing him in this way? Please also explain why Hope Not Hate should be treated as a neutral and reliable source to describe the politics of those it campaigns against. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustifiedRage (talk • contribs) 14:36, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If you claim his position has changed, it is incumbent on you to provide independent reliable sources to substantiate that. Emeraude (talk) 09:39, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Far-right? 

message: Patrick Harrington should become a disambiguation page. There is no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here, certainly not this article.
So, what should the disambiguated name for this article become? Andy Dingley (talk) 12:40, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Patrick Harrington (activist) ? Emeraude (talk) 13:35, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd be fine with that.  Nor can I see anyone complaining that it's unfair to him.  I'll probably do a page move here later tonight, unless there's any more comment. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:05, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi all. I recently created the page Patrick Harrington (barrister). I was going to hold off disambiguating for a bit, but after seeing this thread, I agree with the above and feel we should. There are now a few people with the same name and none are particularly exceptional to have the main page Patrick Harrington. Llemiles (talk) 19:10, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename and disambiguate