Talk:Karelian question

message: The article says: 
:Finland's official opinion is that borders can be changed peacefully, but as Russia has there is no need for it while Russia has showed that it does not have any purposes to accept returning negotiations.
which doesn't make sense to me. I gather that Finnland's official opinion is that they want it if it could be done peacefully, but from after the first comma there, I have no idea how Russia relates. As Russia has what? etc. Any clarification would be most welcome!
—Felix the Cassowary () 07:54, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Simply remove "as Russia has". Kahkonen 21:38, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Indecypherable English?

message: I removed the following claim from the article:
:That [the GDP(PPP) per capita difference between Finland and Russia] is the greatest difference between two neighbouring countries in the world after that of USA and Mexico.
:USA 39,496 - Mexico 9,666
:Finland 29,305 - Russia 10,179
As can be easily checked at the list of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita, such disparities are not very rare, and indeed it is easy to find even greater disparities, such as:
South Korea 21,419 - North Korea 1,400
Israel 22,077 - Egypt 4,072
Hong Kong 30,558 - People's Republic of China 5,642
South Africa 10,798 - Mozambique 1,247
Indonesia 3,703 - East Timor 400
Greece 20,362 - Albania 4,937
Hungary 15,546 - Serbia and Montenegro 4858
I thought maybe the claim could be true if you qualified the statement in some way, but could think of no meaningful way to do so, so I'm removing it entirely. --Iceager 10:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you check GDP in Finland side and in Russian side (in this ceded territory) of border, you can get the thing. Can't now find just right values, but it is some 29000 - 2000 (EUR). Kahkonen 13:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Right, my mistake. Thanks for correcting it. --Hathaldir
Below is a list of the differences ordered by the ratio of the GDP values.
#South Korea - North Korea: 15.30
#Indonesia - East Timor: 9.258
#South Africa - Mozambique: 8.659
#Israel - Egypt: 5.422
#Hong Kong - People's Republic of China: 5.416
#Greece - Albania: 4.124
#USA - Mexico: 4.086
#Hungary - Serbia and Montenegro: 3.200
#Finland - Russia: 2.879
As you can see, of those listed, Finland - Russia is the smallest difference. The difference between the two Koreas is by far the largest. — JIP | Talk 09:15, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GDP(PPP) per capita disparity claim

message: More than twelve years later, we should revisit the article title yet again. How commonly is the phrase "Karelian question" used to refer to this matter? Is it universally understood to mean this?
Even if the similar Finnnish-language phrase Karjala-kysymys is well-recognized to refer to this matter, that does not mean that its English-language equivalent has received similar treatment. If this is not a predominate phrase used to refer to this matter in the English-language, then it seems ill-suited to be the title of this article. I have already initiated a similar discussion about the name of the article currently entitled "Kaliningrad question" (the outcomes of that discussion may differ from the outcomes of this discussion, it is possible that it might be decided to change that article's title whilst retaining the current title of this article). SecretName101 (talk) 21:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The current article title has the advantage of being a recognised English-language name for the topic. I do not know of any other recognised names for the topic.  Wikipedia policy is that we should follow usage, and not invent new terms. Toddy1 (talk) 10:28, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Revisiting the title

message: Here's my little rant about karelian question, following text is no way NPOV so feel free to disregard completely.
Following text also might contain racistic views, of which I apologise.
As a young finn, I find the discussions about returning karelia completely ridiculous. Simple glance at maths 
explains the situation easily. Karelia currently has population of almost 1 million, compared to finlands 5.1 million.
Forget forcibly relocating people, it isn't an option, you cannot evict people from their homes, think israel, do
we want suicide bombers taking revenge on us in future?
If karelia would be joined to finland, total population would rise to over 6 million, and every 6th "finn" would speak
russian as their native tongue. Such large number would likely grant russian language status of official language in finland. 
Meaning, every public servant would have to be able to speak russian in order to be qualified to work in public offices.
Infrastructure in roads, seweage, health care, electricity etc are far inferior in karelia, and below finnish standards.
It would cost billions of dollars to repair the infrastructure. 
Age group of people living in karelian area consists mostly of older age groups. The amount of retired persons would rise
alot, increasing pension expenses.
Shortly put, it's not economically feasible to pursue the return of karelia.
85.77.62.77 00:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Karelia currently has population of almost 1 million," - You are writing about Republic of Karelia when return debat is about ceded territories. You can join Karelia question in other forums, Wikipedia is not a correct place for discuss about it. 81.197.3.89 13:47, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rants & raves

message: Added a lot. What sitations needed still? Kahkonen 20:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: Is  important enough to be mentioned here? (Stefan2 10:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Swedish article on Karelia purchase

message: The municipality of Kuusamo lost some 1.700 km2 after the Winter War. The area included the villages of Paanajärvi, Tavajärvi, Vatajärvi, Enojärvi, Pukari and Kenttikylä, totalling 2.100 inhabitants. Therefore, it is prudent to mention that the ceded area includes parts of Salla and Kuusamo. --MPorciusCato 13:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kuusamo

message: I'm trying to give this article a once-over in English style and grammar, and would be grateful if someone could check the wordings listed here just to make sure I have not changed the meanings of the sentences.
- However, all evacuee families had a right to receive a small farm, and/or a plot for a detached house or a flat. (should this be "and" or "or"? the original sentence had neither but the stylistic needs in the English language called for a conjunction. Also it seems that either the family was given a farm, or they were given a house or flat, not both.)
- Compensation is ALWAYS singular in English.
- Karjalan Liitto is an interest group of Karelian evacuees which hopes that Karelia will be restored to Finland at some point (changed from "some day" - colloquial, not formal style)
- Removed word "extremists" because that could be considered POV. Does anyone have a source as to who has suggested this so that a more accurate description can be entered?
Lstanley1979 (talk) 16:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Some questions over ambiguous wordings

message: Some years ago I insisted that the article clearly states that the Karelian question is on the fringes of Finnish politics. I am no longer convinced of this. Have irredentist demands for the "return" of Karelia entered the mainstream? -- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No new polls have been published. No politicians have recently or non-recently accounced they support the return of areas annexed by the Soviet Union. Unless that happens, there is no reason to change the article. --Pudeo⺮ 18:56, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Silence speaks for itself. Has any politican or group stated their objection to the irredentist project or the irredentist groups? If so, should that be mentionend in the article? -- Petri Krohn (talk) 20:59, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: All presidental candidates in the 2006 elections, except non-aligned Arto Lahti and Timo Soini, said they do not support the concept. Including Halonen, who just answered "no" to the Helsingin Sanomat election quiz (vaalikone).  That is covered in the article already though. Before 1999 parliamentary elections all party leaders were asked the same. Finnish Wikipedia covers the opinions of politicians quite nicely: here.  Simply, there are more important and prominent things than 60 year old politics with Soviet Union that doesn't even exist anymore? --Pudeo' 21:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Fringe or mainstream?

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