Talk:Gackt/Archive 1

message: A lot of this information is incomplete or out of date (such as his birthday, which he has begun to release, etc.)  I don't have time to write now, so perhaps someone else could begin updating this info?  I'll be back when I have a few more minuites! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.42.160.4 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 28 January 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Incomplete or out of date

message: I will start to work on adding pages for Gackt's albums, as I have done with other singers. Anyone who wants to help out is encouraged to do so. --Beau99 09:53, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: please sign your comments.  Gackt went to highschool with his bandmate You, who was born in 1973.  Doubtful he's born in 1960, and since he has never officially listed his birthday, that information shouldn't be included unless it has a reliable source. Oncamera 21:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way, Gackt hasn't released his birth year officially and on the Japanese version of wikipedia, it says his birth year is 1540. Oncamera 04:10, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: Possibility of preventing access to none members. I have notice that recently this page has been subject to repeated vandalism Shindekokoro 04:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Manabu Satoru is what people think Mana's real name is. How could both of them be under assumed names from one identity? It makes no sense. Sounds like crazed fans dabbling in conspiracy theory to me. Sabi saotome 16:35, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: His real name appears to be 岡部学 Okabe,  Satoru.  Other sites say that his surname was changed to Ōshiro (大城) after his parents divorced .  The name "Manabu" seems to be erroneous (the name "学" usually is read "Manabu" or "Gaku" instead of Satoru). Evan1975 06:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither one of those is a reliable source. I'm doubtful there is even a reliable online source for his real name. oncamera(t) 06:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real name? 

message: I heard he had married and divorced a woman in Shiga and had a child by her, but had forced her to keep the whole episode secret during his early rock days. Any news on that?struggle 14:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage, Divorce 

message: Who is You? Surely not the actress "You"? --203.222.161.178 02:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, this You's a guy. Kyou 05:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  You? 

message: The official announcement of Tamaly Bar's closing was made on the official website. However, since it's closed, the site has gone down. 
While I'm not sure if there has been an official announcement of Gackt's birthday, it was featured in the opening movie of Gackt Live Tour 2004 THE SIXTH DAY & SEVENTH NIGHT 〜FINAL〜. On the back of what was supposedly Gackt's grave marker, read the dates 1973~2007 under his name. Some fans have fretted and worried that he would quit his musical career at that time, but most think it unlikely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ksporkie (talk • contribs) 11:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tamaly Bar Closing 

message: This article started out decently, but now it seems to have been edited by people who have watched too many Gackt videos on YouTube, and now feel that adding bits of "trivia" they learned from said videos will improve this article.  It does not.
For example, the majority of readers will not know what "Hey Hey Hey" is, and so it does not help in any way to mention that Gackt wins competitions on the show.
Also, his name is "Gackt M.S. Camui", and not the other way around.  
71.2.179.129 05:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi 

message: Everything regarding Gackt's supposed institutionaliation and psychic abilities needs to be re-written. This is nothing more than misinterpretation, speculation, and if I may be frank, silly gossip. Jihaku specifically states that his family disregarded his tales of seeing ghosts and occasionally joked about it. 
Gackt has never said he was institutionalized. Again, Jihaku explains that he spent a significant amount of time in a children's ward of a hospital for a physical ailment, not for something sociological. Refer to Gerald Tarrant's complete translation for proof.
I've been meaning to rewrite this myself for some a while now but haven't had the time. Perhaps I'll be able to do so before someone else notices this.
LauraOrganaSolo 20:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and removed some of it, as it could be damaging without references. The nonharmful stuff I just tagged with the fact tag. here's the diff RN 08:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: One more (slightly unrelated) thing - I removed the birthdate stuff. There's a lot of rumors surrounding these and there probably needs to be a hard source. RN 08:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, really, I PROMISE there are legitimate sources that state his date of birth as being in 1973: his 2004 tour. A scene showed his date of birth as being July 4, 1973. I don't know how to prove it to you besides linking to screen captures. LauraOrganaSolo 02:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Innacuracies Re: Gackt's Childhood 

message: The paragraph about Malice Mizer is absolutely terrible. It tells us nothing about when he joined the band, and what is fanservice when it's at home? Serious editions needed here.
:I agree.  More specifically, while the beginning of the section delves into details that have nothing to do with Malice Mizer, the rest of the section seems laden with subjective information where there is room for more verifiable facts.  For instance, I can't be quite sure that Gackt's musical style at the time he was in Malice Mizer was much darker than it is "now" if we're not quite sure when "now" is.  If I have time later, I'll try to fix all of this.  KattBon 02:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malice Mizer 

message: This article is riddled with spelling, grammar, and punctuation errors, which is pretty terrible.  These ought to be cleaned up.  I'll do it later if nobody wants to take this up.
KattBon 16:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made a small amount of progress on those issues this evening.
LauraOrganaSolo 04:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean it up 

message: Can we please be consistent throughout the article?  Which should we stick with?  KattBon 02:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought so.  Sounds good to me. --KattBon 16:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pick one: Camui or Kamui 

message: I've been wanting to do this for about ten months. I made a few corrections here and there but they have been erroded over time by yet more unsubstantiated rumors.
The next person that inserts something about Gackt having been sent to a mental hospital for some reason... well... I will be very angry at you. 
There is absolutely NO PROOF to this rumor.  Gackt is a big weirdo, no doubt about that, but he has stated since his time with Malice Mizer that he was sick as a child and is still plagued with physical ailments (there has been mention of several extended hospitals in his blog on Dears, the radio show he hosted for two years, Furachi; photos surface every year after each tour of Gackt unconscious and being hauled around by security between songs and after shows). Although his autobiography does go into some detail about his troubling experiences in a hospital for some unknown period of time, he states he was admitted to a pediatric ward for a gastrointestinal problem, NOT because his family thought he was crazy.
Secondly: gay fanservice is irrelevent. There hasn't been any notable "homoerotic play" since the last time he performed "Speed Master"' on his 2003 tour. He gave Chachamaru a pretty affectionate hug during the Sixth Day, Seventh Night performance of "Vanilla" but I don't think that's worth noting in what is supposed to be an objective article. No matter how sexy you think it is, it has nothing to do with his artistic career.
Perhaps someday someone will write up a more detailed account of his career and his live shows and then it might be worth noting. Because of how sparse this entry is, however, let it rest. Again, he hasn't done it since 2003, it's old hat.
Speaking of more detailed accounts, someone needs to write just that so that his music career can be sectioned off. As it currently stands, the Solo Career section is several paragraphs of history (which is fine) and one very well-written and satisfactorially objective dissertation on how pigeon-holing Gackt as mere pop is inaccurate due to how wide his musical repetoire is. And no, I'm not praising it because I wrote it (I wish I could say I did!) but because it NEEDS to STAY in this entry... it just needs some kind of sequitor following the history tidbits or to go into its own section about his music.
I really wish I could do all this myself but as you can see from my pathetic attempts to correctly reference sources, I am a big stupid newb to Wikipedia's formatting system. I will try to contine my work at editing and adding to this some time when it's not 12am but hopefully someone more experienced than I am can pitch in.  Thank you.  LauraOrganaSolo 05:19, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhaul for Accuracy 

message: Since Gackt has released many albums, singles, videos, and DVDs, I thought it would make this page look tidier to move it to its own article, Gackt Discography. Oncamera 16:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding Gackt Discography

message: I've cleaned up and updated some of the info regarding his involvement in Dirge of Cerberus. What was there previously made little sense, imo, and wasn't clear about which game it was talking about and where.  I also removed the part about 'Gackt 2' seeing as how it isn't cited and I've never even heard that as a rumor before.  It isn't nesessary to the information present anyway.
:: Me again.  About the Gackt modeling himself after video game characters, I took that out due to it being purely conjecture. Gackt wore the jacket similar to Squall during or before the 'Ville de Merveille' tour with malice mizer 1998.  ff8 came out sometime in 1999.  The thing about the coat in Mizerable doesn't have nearly enough support to back that up. It's more than likely a coincidence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tsukiakari (talk • contribs) 00:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaming history 

message: User:Oncamera is being deleting links to unofficilal sites. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.186.248.7 (talk) 18:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not meant to be used to list every site in the world that has to do with Gackt.  See WP:EL for what should be and should not be linked on wikipedia.  Fanlistings, unofficial fanclubs and whatever else, should not be linked since they are mainly intended to promote the website and do not provide any useful information.  Also, most of the fansites you want to include have not been updated in a long time.  Oncamera 18:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Please read WP:EL before posting again. Most sites about Gackt are not meritable and external links should be kept to a minimal.  Oncamera 18:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: You are the one that is consistently neglecting to read Wikipedia's policy on external links. If you continue to add these links, they will continue to be removed, as they do not comply with said policy. Wikipedia is not a database of links, and while those links may be useful, a simple Google search would prove just as useful to any fans who wish to find such sites. Nique1287 10:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Please re-read everything Nique1287 posted and understand that Wikipedia is not a database of links.  Oncamera 02:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I never said they weren't useful, I said that they don't belong here. Again, just because a site could be useful doesn't make it a good site to link to by default. Those sites, as has been mentioned before, are updated VERY infrequently, which is a bad thing for a Wikipedia external link, among other negatives that make them unsuitable for linkage from Wikipedia. Those sites, and I'm sure sites that could be even more useful to fans, are so easily available by a simple Google search. If a fan really wants resources, it's not a great leap to get to the conclusion to search for them on a search engine like Google. As such, those links will continue to be deleted, as they do not comply with Wikipedia policy for links, and your addition of them turns Wikipedia into something it is not. (Also, we're not just linking these policies for our health. READ them, UNDERSTAND them, and realize that these fansites are unacceptable under those policies.) Nique1287 02:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we should declare this 'discussion' over, since the links do not comply with policy, and this editor refuses to comply with those policies. In all seriousness, it looks like you're just being childish, and you're definitely being foolish by refusing to so much as read the policies we are trying to follow in this discussion, especially when you then throw them back in our faces without saying WHY the policies say that the links should be there. Unless you can tell us where, in Wikipedia policy, it says that EVERY fansite ever made about a subject HAS to be linked to, the links will be considered vandalism from this point, by myself if not the other editors who have to deal with your unfounded argumentativeness regarding the links. Nique1287 03:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed for every reason stated.  Oncamera 04:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleting useful links - vandalism?! 

message: This article has always speculated that Gackt was born in 1973. What is the source of this speculation? It's not mentioned in the J-wiki page, which only includes his "claimed" birthyear from the 16th century. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 03:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: During the tour and on the DVD for Sixth Day and Seventh Night, he had a tombstone with his name on it that said, "Gackt, 1973 ~ 2007."  Oncamera 04:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would upload this directly to Wikipedia and link to it in the article or something but then I think people would just say it was a fake or fan-made or something. This is from video footage from Gackt's 2004 The Sixth Day and Seventh Night tour. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LauraOrganaSolo (talk • contribs) 17:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  1973 Year of Birth - source? 

message: I've protected this article per request at WP:RFPP and WP:BLP concerns. Please submit a request for unprotection when/if these problems have been discussed and solved at this Talk page. Thank you, Phaedriel - 17:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article protected 

message: The tombstone date that supposidly had Gackts birth year on it may not be true. Gackt did a picture where he had wings, but that doesn't mean he really has them! Please take the year off, if possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by W-inds.ryuichi (talk • contribs) 21:12, 3 June 2007
:I too am concerned with using a concert stage prop as a "verified" and reliable source for his birthyear.  I do feel that using "year unknown" is a better choice then "spreading" information that is shaky.  Find another reliable source for his birthyear please, otherwise I don't see how this can be allowed. oncamera(t) 19:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could have been a random year by a stagehand, it could have been deliberate confusion, it's just not a reliable source.--Prosfilaes 21:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks like most of us agree that a stageprop isn't a reliable source. I'll be restoring the old "year unknown" version of the article now, but I will be modifying the footnote as his supposed claim to be a vampire born in Norway has yet to be cited. Silentaria 05:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: Again, useful informational links were deleted by users Nique1287 and Oncamera. Wiki admins, please pay attention to these users. Maybe these users are interested in advertising their own sourses, because they always leave the same links (including fansites and rarerly updated pages) deleting others. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.186.248.6 (talk) 03:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm, pardon me, but you are the one that is continually adding links that are BADLY out of date, as well as removing a notice about fansites. We simply revert the changes back to the GOOD, established links previously on the page. We have given you, time and time again, the precise reasons why your links do not belong on the page. You have given us NO reason why they SHOULD be on the page beyond an outright defiance of Wikipedia policy on links. The addition of your links continues to be considered vandalism by myself and other editors of the page, because of your continued defiance of policy. Please cease this nonsense now. Thank you. Nique1287 03:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism again: Nique1287 deleted a descussion thread