Talk:RahXephon/Archive 1

message: Added Anime Episodes. --ibulisa 6:04, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Anime Episodes 

message: Added table comparing manga and anime. --James26 7:05, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Table 

message: On Golems and Genesis, I found this picture of an egg with part of Genesis written on it. Would it be nice to have a fair-use screen capture of the RahXephon's egg with writings on it next to this picture? Perhaps in the same box/table?  --GunnarRene 16:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences 

message: Was there ever a VHS release? The sources I have say that ADV only released DVDs.... --GunnarRene 23:44, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doubt it, since not much is released on VHS at all nowadays. Ryan Salisbury 02:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  VHS? 

message: In which edition of Newtype magazine did the director talk about Raideen? Newtype USA or Japan? --GunnarRene 13:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Raideen the Brave

message: Relevant: WP:V, WP:NPOV (policies) and Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words (guide).
This article is not a place where anime fans come to a consensus on which is a better series, RahXephon or Neon Genesis Evangelion. Still, I think that fan reception is encyclopedic, if it can be verified in some way.
The process in this section so far has been
# RahXephon-favourable edit
# Moderate edit trying to work in both views.
# RahXephon-negative edit
# Moderate edit trying to work in both views.
# Goto 1
To show that a sentiment exists in the fan community, we might get away with linking to forum posts, but we have no way of weeding out sock-puppets, fraudulent accounts, etc. The guideline is under debate now, as well: Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources.
There are different ways forward:
* Keeping opinions, but linking to possibly non-reputable but still fairly reliable publicly available sources that show that opinions exist, e.g. forum discussions, taking care not to over-state their reliability. 
* Not say what people think, and rather list the similarities in a verifiable and neutral way, with balance created by noting that NGE had X, Y, Z similarities with Foo. It might, however, be less informative and interesting for the reader. 
What do you think? --GunnarRene 14:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Answer to my former self 8)  : Only list similarities noted by actual reviewers. That was easy, right? --GunnarRene 17:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing about opinions, redux. 

message: Quon is a clone. During the last few episodes, Bahbem revealed that two Mu children appeared on Earth (presumably Quon and Maya as they are sisters -- Quon being the older of the two). The dialogue stated that one was allow to live and one was kept in stasis.  Quon was "crafted from" the child in stasis.  Also Quon is just 17 and Maya is at least in her 30's. Even with the time differential of Tokyo Jupiter, Quon as we see her would have to be born much later than Maya).  That would seem to strongly imply that she's a clone, although not directly stated in the series. I believe this should be added back into the entry comparing Quon and Evangelion's Rei. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Navstar (talk • contribs)  14:48, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the stasis had delayed the effect of aging, like for the blue flowers and for those living in Tokyo Jupiter. --GunnarRene 15:20, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Navstar, if you're right, I totally misunderstood the last few episodes. I had thought that Quon and Maya were testing Lord Barbem's RahXephon system in the Mulian world, failed somehow, were blown to Earth along with Barbem, and then Maya was placed into stasis and reawakened only shortly before Operation Overlord, since Ayato was approaching his 17th birthday and she needed an Instrumentalist like Ayato to give RahXephon another shot and try to tune the world back into the Mulian one; some of the various clones and such (and Ayato himself?) having been made with her genetic material in the interim. --maru   (talk)  contribs 03:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Maya was placed into stasis and reawakened only shortly before Operation Overlord" you mean Quon. Bähbem got dislocated into our world (he failed as an instrumentalist) and kept himself alive by cloning new host bodies and transferring himself into them. Quon and Maya appeared at the shrine near to our time. My interpretation is that the stasis delayed the effect of aging (compare with the growth of the blue flowers in Itsuki's house) not that there was cloning. The only known clones we see are Bähbem's clones (the teacher, Isshiki, the butler, the Scwarzer pilots), Sayoko Nanamori (IIRC), and of course Itsuki and Ayato who are possibly "natural clones", i.e. identical twins. --GunnarRene 14:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quon and Rei

message: ::"Reika Mishima is distant and enigmatic to Ayato", I changed this as well as I do not think its correct either. Genjix
:::I disagree. At the beginning of the anime, Ayato does not know who Reika is. Not her name. Not that they were in the same class. He only remembers a girl in a yellow dress standing on rock. Ixtli has to hypnothize people into "remembering" her. In the manga, Ayato and Reika are even living in the same house, with Maya as the adoptive mother of Reika. So I'm changing it back. --GunnarRene 18:00, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ultimately, they're two parts of the same person, the Id and Ego as it were, Reika is Haruka as a child, albeit in an idealized, prophetic(and ultimately subconscious within Ayato, excluding when it anthropomorphizes into a TERRA officer near the end of the series) form. It's revealed at the end of the last episode. Karmafist 17:10, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The relationship with Reika

message: *In the first episode, Asahina's blood is red after the subway accident. Later on, it's blue. 
(edit) ***warning - spoiler ahead*** This is not an actual incongruency - since everybody is 
under the influence of the MU "brainwashing" in episode one (in Tokyo-Jupiter), the blood 
appears to be red. In some later episode when Ayato returns to Tokyo-Jupiter and Asahina gets 
shot in the arm, she only suspects something is wrong but as she is under the influence of MU 
she can't really tell that her blood is blue. Ayato, being clearminded at this point, recognises that her blood is blue (as do we viewers) but spares her the "bad" news.
:That may be. But the sub-mulians' blood could also be turning blue. When Ayato returns to Tokyo Jupiter he sees himself with blue blood. Was it a dream? (I really want to re-watch this series.) --GunnarRene 02:55, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gunnar: if I understood the movie version correctly, impure Mulians are delayed in when their blood changes color (with the consequent change in personalities and memories, which the factions apparently felt would be decisive in Ayato's final decision), and the timing of events by the various players was concerned with delaying or preceding the tuning of the world with Ayato's blood color. --maru   (talk)  contribs 03:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, people's blood turns blue when their "Mu Phase activates."  See the discussion in Episode 3 about how Ayato has the Mu phase in his blood, but its not yet active.  --18.95.7.164 04:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incongruencies 

message: The following section contributed by User:TruthCross was moved to the talk page by User:GunnarRene. --GunnarRene 11:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RahXephon on the Nature of Reality 

message: Template:RahXephon infobox has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. TheFarix (Talk) 00:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:RahXephon infobox 

message: The definition is moved above the infobox. See Wikipedia_talk:List_of_infoboxes#Search_engine_appearance for rationale. --GunnarRene 08:53, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox placement 

message: I would add that the series and film are very militarist in nature. Contrarily to Neon Genesis Evangelion, RahXephon is much pro-fighting. I think someone should add this fact and highlight the "nationalist"-like essence of the whole series. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.167.29.181 (talk • contribs) 05:49, May 4, 2006 (UTC).
: Could you mention some examples of this? RahXephon comments on the Japanese pacifist culture. It also comments on anti-Mu jingoism (see article) and also describes an event where humans over-reached, and turned to nuclear weapons with ill effect.  --GunnarRene 14:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the apparently senseless depredations (I say senseless since the majority of them seem to have served no purpose but to kill people, and the few characters such as Ayato's former friend or Kunugi's former commander which we see manning powerful Dolems certainly do nothing to dispell such a conclusion) of the Mu (avoided only by destroying killing the Dolems) are certainly in favor of militarism in a broad sense, but on the other hand, fighting only seems to bring suffering, and agressive moves seem to results in death and destruction for the agressors- witness the Barbem Foundation armor-encased dolems (another parallel with Eva) which have to be rescued by RahXephon, or the catastrophic failure of Operation Teardown, which eventually killed how many by unleashing the Mu on the world? It looks to me like defensive operations are condoned, but aggressive ones aren't. --maru   (talk)  contribs 03:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very militarist 

message: And it's filled with weasel words like "some people". It should be removed or re-written to remove all bias and favoritism.
:Explaining how RahXephon is favourable to RahXephon? It was supposed to show both sides, but regrettably it became some kind of argumentation arcade for Wikipedia editors rather than a place to write about the reception of the show (with reliable sources). I move that opinions there that can't be backed up are moved to the talk page, and that the points of similarity with Eva that Eva itself had with Gundam and Ideon be removed, perhaps. --GunnarRene 21:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or rather, note how Eva itself had those similarities without removing the points themselves. --GunnarRene 21:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think the section explaining how RahXephon is favorable to Evangelion is biased.