Talk:Extreme points of Europe

message: Since when is Greenland not part of Europe?
:Since forever, really.  When they left the EU it broke the main link with Europe. Warofdreams talk 01:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Greenland, where it is said that Greenland is "geographically and ethnically an Arctic island [...] associated with the continent of North America", though "politically and historically closely tied to Europe". JBarreto 18:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But I don't know if it is true. I would rather admit that Greenland is Arctic, period. What does it mean "associated"? JBarreto 18:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Associated" means that continents are an arbitrary concept anyway, keeping that in mind  Greenland is conventionally viewed as part of North America. The Arctic is not viewed as a continent by any common convention. Anorak2 12:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Greenland was always and still is geographically part of North America irrespective of its affiliations and historical ties with Denmark.  Just as there are records of Vikings being born in North America hundreds of years before Columbus officially discovered the place, there are myths that Greenland is not American.  It is even joined to Canada in winter by ice (or was until recently when the Northwest Passage suddenly became navigable during winter!).  Reference The Vikings Came to America at infohub.com  Garigolf 18:26 BST, 7 October 2007  —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 17:27, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When Greenland was discovered, bcz Denmark owns Greenland and Denmark is a part of Europe 2600:1700:1EAC:A0B0:CD4F:6BA2:7B01:8CFD (talk) 01:04, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Greenland?

message: What about a point on the Falkland Islands? They're British.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.148.193 (talk) 09:09, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on the definition of Europe. That's why the footnotes are there to accomodate all common definitions. The only definition that is not acceptable (and thus provoked an edit revert) is to include in Europe some territories of the EU that are uncontestedly in other continents, like French Guyana or some Indic Ocean French Territories. --maf 23:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If, as the Continent article states, "islands are usually considered to belong geographically to the continent they are closest to," then the Azores are certainly European (just like the Canary Islands are certainly African – I'm actually not quite sure about Madeira). I'm fairly certain that the Continent article is right about this being the accepted geographical definition, and I can't really see any case for the Azores belonging to any other continent, that is Africa or North America. Of course, part of the archipelago is on the North American plate, but I think tectonics is beside the point here (and then, Bjargtangar is certainly on the North American plate as well, so obviously we currently don't care about these things). I think there is no reason not to include the westernmost point of the Azores in the "Europe" subsection. -- Jao 00:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Azores are not a "point", they are an archipelago. The westernmost point of Europe is the Monchique Islet (31º 16' 24″ W), west of Flores. Of course Azores belong to Europe! -- Barreto 12:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, geologically neither of these are on the European continental shelf. The westernmost dry land connected to the European continental shelf is likely Tearaght Island. This point of view should be represented in the article. --JWB (talk) 05:56, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Europe's Westernmost Point

message: Can anyone tell me how it was calculated that the island of Saaremaa host the central point of Europe? Was it simply by taking the four extreme points and seeing where they cross? --Gozols 09:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it seems to be the central point of the (non-Euclidean) rectangle with the given west, north, east and south boundaries, which differs from the crossing-line method in that the west-to-east location of the northern and southern extreme points (and vice versa) do not matter. This is arguably a reasonable definition of "central point", although it might be a bit more interesting to know where the European centroid lies. I'm sure someone has attempted to compute that? -- Jao 21:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Central point 

message: Cape Zhelaniya certainly is not the easternmost cape of Novaya Zemlya. Cape Flissingskiy lies further east, and the coordinates of cape Zhelaniya were not correct. I am not able to give the coordinates of Cape Flissingski with the accuracy of arcseconds.
I've rounded the accuracy of the coordinates given in later section to full arcseconds. Somebody put is as exact as 0.000, but it means accuracy of 0.03 m. Such an accuracy is very doubtful unless a reliable reference is added. The coordinates of the watershed on Ural mountains with the accuracy of the order of 1 cm are not possible, as well as of the centre of Europe.89.77.103.56 (talk) 08:42, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Details 

message: The text states that the most Westerly point of Europe (not just mainland) is in Ireland, yet the image shows it as being in Portugal. I've consulted an atlas, and the lines of longitude clearly show that Ireland indeed has the most westerly point. 
92.28.60.190 (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that Ireland's westernmost point is more westerly than any point in mainland Europe is rather irrelevant, because Ireland is not part of the mainland. There are European islands even further west, so Ireland isn't a candidate for the westernmost island either. Sorry. Anorak2 (talk) 14:08, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image/text inconsistency 

message: On the map, it appears that Tarifa in Spain is in fact the southernmost point on mainland Europe, not a point in Greece.  This is confirmed by the Wikipedia page on Tarifa and by consulting a road atlas of Europe.
129.234.82.236 (talk) 21:27, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southernmost point? 

message: I believe the westernmost point of Europe including islands is the Cliffs of Látrabjarg in Iceland, not in the Azores
:The article on Látrabjarg states, "Látrabjarg, in Iceland, marks the westernmost part of Europe (excluding some of the Azores islands)" (emphasis added). Iceland is roughly 25 degrees west while the Azores are roughly 30 degrees west, so it isn't a close call. Is it your belief that the Azores are not part of Europe?--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:11, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  request edit  

message: Any reference to the European Union (EU) is out of place because there is a separate article about the extreme points of the EU, and confusing because the territory of the EU is legally open for change (expanding and shrinking) and includes area outside the European continent, like Spanish exclaves in North Africa and French territory in South America. I therefore propose to either merge the articles (extreme points of EU and Europe as a continent) into one or to strictly separate them by removing any content belonging to the article about the extreme points of the EU like "Considering Europe as an abbreviation for the European Union..." in this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.209.35.207 (talk) 17:10, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to the EU 

message: In the section Extremes of the European continent, including islands, for the southernmost point, the article states: the "Caribbean Netherlands" could be considered politically as part of Europe. This seems misleading for two reasons:
1. The section explicitly states that it is about points of the European continent, which in no way includes any part of the Caribbean. This debatably also applies to Canarias, Madeira, and Cyprus, though at least in their cases they are somewhat geographically close to Europe.
2. Even if we were, for some reason, including political overseas territories like Caribbean Netherlands in an article regarding geographical Europe, wouldn't somewhere like French Guiana or Réunion (or even Antarctica, perhaps) claim the title of southernmost point? They are equally "politically part of Europe", but are not mentioned at all.
There is already an article for Extreme points of the European Union, so I propose that references to EU territories outside of the European continent be removed from this article, and a link be included to the EU-specific article. Else, the latter could be merged into the former as a distinct section, mirroring how it's done in Geographical midpoint of Europe
97.126.29.123 (talk) 00:29, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extreme Points of the EU 

message: The statement that this is the deepest point in Europe (including Transcaucasia) and the world confusingly contradicts the article on that topic!  And several others, all sourced.  The cite used here -- speleogenesis.info -- might not be the most reliable.  I think perhaps they're going by the deepest point potholed to?  Veryovkina Cave seems to have been surveyed to be deeper, but not reached by spelunkers.  109.255.211.6 (talk) 02:40, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Krubera Cave]] is the deepest point? 

message: Cave depths are measured from the entrance to the cave system, not from sea level.  Krubera Cave does not go below sea level.  I am not sure how one would establish the deepest underground point of land in Europe based on sea level.  I would suggest deleting the underground entries on this list.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.44.135.112 (talk) 03:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The depth section is based on a misapprehension of cave depth