Talk:Thomas McMahon (Irish republican)

message: addressed by WP:IMOS, two WP:IMOS dose not exclude there use. --Domer48 (talk) 18:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish name 

message: This page appears to use slanted language ('volunteer' etc) and partial descriptions to move away from neutral description and attempt to justify the actions of a man who, let's be clear, was convicted by an Irish court of murdering a man, a woman and two children.
There is no reference to anything which points to him being a 'member of an IRA unit' which planted a bomb. McMahon was convicted, personally, of actually planting the bomb. This is a material inaccurary which also has the incidental effect of lessening his culpability for the crime. This should be addressed by amendment of this line.
Also, the final paragraph is, in the absence of any other reference to the contrary, sufficient in itself to warrant that he 'is' a member of the IRA.
:The term  "Volunteer" is ok. There is no reference which points to him still being a "Volunteer," and the reference in the final paragraph is not sufficient. Are you saying that anyone who carries a flag in a Republican colour party is a member of the IRA? The IRA in a statement said they carried out the opperation, and the reference supports that ("Authorities believe the Mountbatten assassination was the work of many people, but McMahon was the only individual convicted") he was a member of an IRA active service unit. --Domer48'fenian' 20:33, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a look at the  reference which says he was sentenced for "preparing and planting the bomb" so I think it would be worth including this somewhere.  Would it improve the article to change the sentence about his conviction to "He was sentenced to life imprisonment in the Republic of Ireland on November 23, 1979 for preparing and planting the bomb that murdered four people when the Shadow V exploded.  In 1998 he was released under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement."  Any thoughts?  --Kaly99 (talk) 10:56, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

text: He's not a convicted terrorist, which you happily admitted to here. He was convicted in the Republic of Ireland, where there was no such legislation prior to ~1998 when it was introduced following the Omagh bombing. FDW777 (talk) 14:12, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

text: If the legislation wasn't in place at the time of his conviction, then he wasn't convicted under that legislation. It's quite straightforward in legal terms. If you are such an expert on Irish law, perhaps you can cite the relevant statutes? Don't worry, I'll wait..... FDW777 (talk) 17:18, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

text: As this article, and Mounbatten's say, the bombing occurred in Mullaghmore, County Sligo. That's not UK territory. That's Irish territory, no amount of quasi-legal quibbling can change that fact. So you will find Irish law is very much relevant here. FDW777 (talk) 12:45, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

text: It's not just an error of geography, as stated Irish law did not have any such legislation at the time. That some was introduced 20 years later doesn't retroactively apply it to Thomas McMahon. FDW777 (talk) 14:58, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

text: No, he's convicted of what he's convicted of. Nothing more, nothing less. FDW777 (talk) 17:55, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

text: Then I ask again for you to provide the Irish law he was convicted under that would make him . FDW777 (talk) 09:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

text: See WP:BLUDGEON and WP:IDHT. The IRA was not classed as a terrorist organisation in the legal jurisdiction where the bombing occurred, and there was no corresponding legislation in place either. Therefore he's not a "convicted terrorist", no matter how many times you claim he is. FDW777 (talk) 08:44, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

text: Obviously you haven't read them, otherwise you wouldn't have made that reply. What "fair use" policy are you waffling about? By the way, Jimmy Savile is dead. FDW777 (talk) 17:13, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

text: What policies and/or guidelines do you believe support your claim? I've already asked you to identify your claimed "fair use" policy and received nothing except stonewalling and bludgeoning. Links to policies/guidelines are needed, with quotes from them giving the specific wording that supports your claims. FDW777 (talk) 16:31, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

text: WP:BLP, WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:SYNTH and MOS:TERRORIST say your edit is a non-starter. The bottom line, and my final word on this subject. Thomas McMahon has not been convicted under any terrorism legislation, therefore he is not a convicted terrorist no matter how many times you ignorantly and incorrectly claim he is. FDW777 (talk) 21:08, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: Why isn't the  template working correctly on this page? It's displaying as "For other persons named Thomas McMahon (Irish republican), see Thomas McMahon (Irish republican) (disambiguation)." Stu ’Bout ye! 21:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind. Stu ’Bout ye! 21:32, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
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