Talk:Ellen Albertini Dow

message: The source listed has her born in 1918 but IMDB say 1913 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0016687/. Anyone know additional sources?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coinmanj (talk • contribs) 23:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, logic doesn't overrule certain policies here in Wikipedia. It sucks, but what can you do? If editors here want people to believe that she was born in 1918 then that's on their conscience. OscarL 01:00, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  "If editors here want people to believe that she was born in 1918 then that's on their conscience." -- I have debunked many articles'  accepted years of birth, usually actors/actresses, which were unquestioned for many years. I'll not list them here lest that provoke anyone to mess around but trust me I have no problem fixing conventional wisdom. Quis separabit? 11:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I appreciate the work you've done on articles like Doris Day and so on. The thing is, Canadian Paul feels that we need better references to show that she really was born in 1913 and not 1918. So yeah...OscarL 01:13, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, but the census records and the fact that she graduated college Cornell University in 1935 does it for me. Quis separabit? 17:49, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

text:  Intelius indicates she is 95 years old as of today, June 22, 2014, indicating 1918 year of birth. Whoever changed the year to 1913 just because of IMDb is likely mistaken unless there is some other evidence that she was born in 1913, which I don't see. I'll change it back as IMDb is not a reliable source. Quis separabit? 23:07, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would Intelius be more reliable than a 1920 census match? OscarL 10:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

text:  1913 does appear to be correct. I was unaware of the census data and the fact that she graduated from Cornell University in 1935. Checked it out and restored year of birth to 1913. Only reason I changed it was because IMDb alone is not only insufficient but usually regarded as unreliable for personal data/biodata.  Quis separabit? 11:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

text: I have corrected Canadian Paul's mistake edit by adding an additional reflink confirming Dow's year of birth as 1913, which should be acceptable. Quis separabit? 23:04, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No you haven't. You've added a secondary source that contests other sources and the primary sources remain unusable per WP:BLPPRIMARY. Having said that, I've tried to come up with a compromise of the nature reached at Gabre Gabric. Hopefully this will be acceptable to all; if not, there's always WP:BLPN. Canadian Paul 23:08, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  How does a reflink from Business Insider contest other sources which you state are unusable anyway under WP:BLPPRIMARY? I don't get the circular reasoning. Painstaking census and university material is not valid but a 2014 reflink from a respectable, unbiased source is also unacceptable somehow. Quis separabit? 23:13, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, I meant to say that Business Insider is a good source, but there are other equally good sources that say 1918 as well, so essentially it makes more sense to list both unless there's a definitive, non-primary source-based reason to choose one over the other. Gabre Gabric actually has a definitive, non-primary source-based reason to choose one over the other, but they still choose to list both potential dates, so I'm just trying to be extra careful here in consideration of all the problems we've had with actress birthdates. Canadian Paul 23:19, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately it's seeming more like the best situation here would to hope that the New York Times or another paper of the same stature confirms the year whenever she dies in an obituary. Connormah (talk) 23:35, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Is there any opposition to listing both years of birth in the article with an explanation of the differing sources in the Early life section? Connormah (talk) 03:17, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objection . Canadian Paul 01:01, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Year of birth?

message: "She also founded the Albertini Mime Players and was its producer for 19 years." this can be sourced from Los Angeles Pierce College records if someone wants to dig. 1970s and 80s
76.91.14.191 (talk)  08:28, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: She also founded the Albertini Mime Players and was its producer for 19 years.

message: The name "Carnegie Recital Hall" in this article links to the page for Carnegie Hall in NYC.  There's in fact a venue named Carnegie Recital Hall, in Pittsburgh, Pa., part of the Carnegie Library/Carnegie Museum complex.  This seems more likely to me.  There's no source for the "Carnegie Recital Hall" reference, can anyone point to one?
Colonel Mayfair (talk) 20:07, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Carnegie Recital Hall

message: Sadly, Ellen Albertini Dow passed away on May 4, 2015: 
http://deadline.com/2015/05/ellen-albertini-dow-dead-wedding-singer-rapping-granny-1201420781/
Anyone out there have any more information?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.69.14.83 (talk) 06:40, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death