Wikipedia talk:Wheel war/Archive 1

message: I defined this as best I knew, based on a request. But is this content encyclopedic? it's self referential, anecdotal and possibly apocryphal. Hmm... maybe my first AfD listing? Someone talk me out of it, quick! ++Lar: t/c 07:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old discussion

message: Discuss please. Radiant_>|< 23:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't the 3RR already apply? Titoxd(?!? - help us) 00:00, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. It isn't that difficult to stop and explain one's concensus before blindly taking action. -ZeroTalk 00:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Enforcement against wheel warring

message: *Just tossing an idea into the mix which might be relevant, but I was thinking recently about what would happen if an admin went rogue (in other words, deliberately decided to go on a big vandalism rampage). I came to the conclusion that the only way of really stopping it would be some kind of emergency bureaucrat desysopping. Of course this is all very unlikely because admins are subject to approval mostly to make sure they don't do this, but it is possible. David | Talk 00:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Historicaly deadmining in emergenices has fallen the devs.Geni 03:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I've suggested this a couple times here and there, kzollman above also mentioned it. I think we need to hand problem admins a temp block from admin powers. It wouldn't affect normal editing but the admin powers would be taken away (either by injunction or by removing the admin bit). This has gotten crazy and I think a taste of being without admin powers would make people a little more conservative and focus their attention on the fact that they might be straying a little too far from the pack. WP:IAR has it's uses but it can be taken too far. A single bureaucrat should be able to assign this type of block if something's getting disruptive or there's a wheel war starting  and let everyone else catch up. Rx StrangeLove 06:15, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admininstrator rampage 

message: Does revert waring in the mediawiki namespace count as wheel waring.Geni 12:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok but would you want to be the one to deadmin a board member? Impact is varable. If the edit war is over commented out text it is quite posible that no one will notice.Geni 12:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *What incident are you referring to? Radiant_>|< 12:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the one on mediaWiki:sitenotice would qualify as a revert war in the mediawiki namespace. Revert waring on hidden text happens from time to time although I'm not aware of it happening on a protected article.Geni 12:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Well, the apparent fact that a board member has revert warred does not prevent us from writing a policy against it. Radiant_>|< 13:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I forsee arguments over what counts as a revert war. Deltion, protection, blocking. All have the advantage that they are easy to quantify measure and describe.Geni 14:25, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

text: *True. Okay, let's stick to that triad. Radiant_>|< 14:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Sounds good to me but as a note, I think edit warring in areas where only admins can edit, is more serious than regular edit warring. Admins should know better. So (probably tangentially to this proposal), I'd support harsher blocks for admins edit warring (in any space) and still harsher for edit warring in areas where only admins can. (the theory of restriction is presumably so that only serious soberheaded people with experience of the impact can make the changes in the first place)... ++Lar: t/c 16:35, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd agree, higher standards and all. But I'd like to see it limited to a day or less for the first offense and then progressively longer, which probably only makes sense. But all in all, this would be an effective way to roll up a newspaper and give someone a good whack. Is this something bureaucrats would be willing to take on? Rx StrangeLove 17:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

text: *Not 'crats, only devs or stewards can deop. Radiant_>|< 18:34, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking more along the lines of an injunction type block rather than actually resetting the "bit". If it turns out that people would rather literally take the power on a temp basis then you're right, we'd have to find another way. Perhaps a request by a bureaucrat to a dev or steward. The reason I'm sticking to the bureaucrats is that they seem to be generally more in touch with what's happening on a day to day basis and could act faster. If that assumption is not accurate then devs/stewards are perfectly acceptable to perform this. Rx StrangeLove 19:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of wheel-warring 

message: Please take a look at this poll to gauge community opinion on several admin-related issues. Radiant_>|< 18:34, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note that additional questions have been added to this straw poll, if you went and visited it early. -- nae'blis (talk) 23:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Admin accountability poll]]

message: The only time in Wikipedia history I know of is in March-April 2004 between succession boxes and Calmypal's Presidents template. Any other times this has happened?? Georgia guy 23:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Has this been common?? 

message: Why has this behavior been named `wheel war'?  Would `admin war' be just as useful, if not more informative?  Thanks, Gchriss 23:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe, but I think "wheel war" is just as understandable by people who have no idea what wheel war means. If you set aside the computing jargon, you're left with the impression that it's like warring over a steering wheel of an automobile (presumably while it's in motion, which I think anyone would believe is bad). I think that's easy enough to understand. —Locke Cole • t • c 23:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jargon 

message: After the unfortunate mess caused by the latest wheel war, I'm interested in reading more about historical wheel wars in the hope of learning from our mistakes. Is someone maintaining a list of past wheel wars and the outcomes? Deco 01:14, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of wheel wars?