Talk:Ilya Repin

message: Please take part in the discussion on Portal:Russia/Russia-related Wikipedia notice board#Nationality in biographies abakharev 23:24, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempt to create a policy on Nationalities 

message: Very good biography on Repin. I made minor changes in phrasing, and a correction of spelling.
JNW 16:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor corrections

message: Article contains many assertions of fact without cites. (E.g. "Beginning in the mid-1920s, a Repin cult was established in the Soviet Union and he was held up as a model "progressive" and "realist" to be imitated by "Socialist Realist" artists in the USSR." "The Tsar paid 35,000 rubles for the painting, the largest amount ever paid for a Russian painting to that time." "He was invited by Lenin to come back to Russia but refused the invitation giving the excuse that he was too old to make the journey.") Please add good cites throughout this article as necessary. -- 201.50.251.197 22:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cites, please 

message: Peharps one should add in the article where is his grave, and the current condition. He was in 1920´s named by many Russians as traitor because he did not return to Russia, but stayed in Finland in his datsha or how Finns called it huvila. At least in mid 1960´s it was in really bad shape. Not much attention was paid to its condition by the Soviet Gevernment or local Terijoki adminstration. Maybe Repin´s attitude is well shown in his comment in 1921 "Petrograd is now in the hand of evil". I had a photograph taken by my father of his huvila in September 1941 when Finnish Army had recaptured Kuokkala. So where is his grave? Borned In Ukraina and died in Finland. The story of "Russia´s" grand son.
This is a short describtion of Ilja Repin in 1919 by a British visitor; Not far away, at Kuokkala, near Rajajoki (border river between Finland and Russia), Ilya Repin, the famous Russian artist was painting his masterpieces in his dacha, quite oblivious to that was was going on around him and the fact that his world had turned upside down. Mr King, one of our British Consul in Viipuri, passed many of his paintings through to New York and London via Stockholm, where they were bought for trifling sums and today worth of fortunes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.201.128 (talk) 18:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Repin´s Grave

message: The artcle was recently expanded using just one source. This is troubling and evident in the writers defensive approcah, s/he is reverting any attermpts to push it forward. And not a little beligerant when basic facts about 1. Repin's life 2. How to write are pointed out. Asking that a wider trawl is made to back up claims, and that I'm not called a "dylexic prick" or whatever in future, even though that may be accurate. Ceoil (talk) 18:53, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I used three other support sources as much as I could, and would've used others but I only happen to own a full copy of the one main source. If/when I can get a copy of another bio, I'd certainly expand the article further. My defensiveness was only over your placing of trivia in the lead which had no coverage in the article body, and which gave no context as it was. In the end, all I did was add a detail to the lead that balanced out the Stalinist claim. The fact that Repin lived in Finland during Stalin's reign and turned down offers to return to the Soviet Union shows that he was no Stalinist, and that being Stalin's favorite artist was something disconnected from Repin himself.As for the dyslexic thing, you shouldn't whine about being called names by a "twat" like me. INeverCry 19:40, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

text: You blind reverted, and that you think its trivia is the problem. I suggested he was a Stalinist when? Please read up on what you profess to know about. And again I suggest you expand your reading. And no I dont care less what you think, because I dont respect you, but civility is a deep conern of mine, I was just thinking of that. Ceoil (talk) 20:03, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You dropped that detail in without a source the first time, so my first revert was perfectly justified. The second wasn't, but I got it worked out by balancing the Stalin detail with the Finland detail. As for your hypocritcal civility comment, I guess that only applies to folks who kiss your sorry ass for you. The respect bit is mutual of course. INeverCry 20:22, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You should have known but you didnt, and were defensive, humourless and unengaging. But fine, if deflection and insults are all you can reach for. My point still stands - one source. Ceoil (talk) 20:25, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

text: *This needs to stop INeverCry. You can't drop something into a source "the Finland detail" that's not in the source; worse are the personal attacks, and the very worst is the close paraphrasing that I'm about to write up now. Victoria (talk) 20:29, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

text: **I figured one of his buddies would show up soon enough. You both know how to pile on the bullshit. But this is getting fucking boring. The article is all yours. INeverCry 20:40, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: **Personally I don't care much if you two want to hurl insults at each other. I do care about proper sourcing, which I've shown below to be problematic. Victoria (talk) 20:46, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourcing

message: Seeing the note above I decided to look at the single source and from a quick glance found this in the chapter called "The Creative World of Ilya Repin":
 
Our articles says:
The bolded pieces are almost word-for-word identical. Most of the section is identical to the source. Given this, the rest of the article needs to be checked. Victoria (talk) 20:46, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Close paraphrasing

message: In 1880, there was no Zaporozhia nor Ukraine. I guess he traveled to the area, but in any case this should be reformulated.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:14, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You linked an article about Zaporizhzhia, but you surely have not read it because it says there that the city was founded in 1770. Nastyaaa1313 (talk) 18:22, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Travelled to [[Zaporozhia]] in Ukraine 

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message: violet/riga [talk] 23:14, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The template used in the article does not support inclusion of the signature, and there is no consensus to include it.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hence posting it here. violet/riga [talk] 11:53, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signature 

message: Encyclopedia Britannica says: 
Ilya Yefimovich Repin, (born August 5 [July 24, Old Style], 1844, Chuguyev, Russia [now Chuhuyiv, Ukraine]—died September 29, 1930, Kuokkala, Finland), Ukrainian-born Russian painter of historical subjects known for the power and drama of his works. Why words "ukrainian-born" is deleted from article Ymblanter? -DimGol (talk) 19:35, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, he was born in what is now Ukraine, and nobody disputes this. However, WP:MOS dos not recommend to mention this in the lede. We just have a different manual of style than Britannica. It has been discussed before multiple times, should be on this page or in archives.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:41, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

text: Thanks, I will see what I can do (without Britannica Ukrainian users went here en masse to claim that Repin was a Ukrainian painter). I never claimed it is vandalism, it just someone posted somewhere "Hey, the English Wikipedia says Repin was not born in Ukraine, go there and correct it", these mass actions are quite common in this community.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:20, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see that the same administrator is involved in editing all the controversial articles with artists of Ukrainian origin. An interesting fact. Cesare Urbino (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

text: Seriously, I even know which tweet you are coming from.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: As this seems to be your most recent post on this matter I thought I share my complaint here. For a person so straightforwardly engaged in Russian Imperialism, as seen here especially in your 2017 comments of "nonexistance" of Ukrainian Nationality before 1991 (but 'somehow' existence of Russian one), as well as your "contribution" to a set of "hot" topics regarding Ukraine and its history I was wondering why in grace are you actually editing anything related to Ukraine? Especially putting Ukraine's map on your profile, what's the reason? Why so much English information about Ukraine is still being managed by those with clearly Russian biases in place no matter how hard they try to hide them? In terms of Repin, I would insist that both his background as well as his works, opinions and reputation indicate and portray him exactly as Ukrainian painter working under Russian Empire, not just "Ukrainian-born." 2601:43:3:BC50:2CA8:F4A:2D0C:D28F (talk) 01:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  UKRAINIAN-BORN RUSSIAN PAINTER 

message: Some but not all painting names are in italics. Unless there is a reason not to, I believe all English (or Latin-alphabet) painting names should be in italics. —Anomalocaris (talk) 22:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Painting names in italics 

message: Disruptive editing has resumed; article needs protection. Many thanks, SiefkinDR (talk) 15:31, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably premature at the moment since it has been one IP since previous protection expired on 1 May. If it continues, it is possible to request at WP:RPP. Mellk (talk) 18:34, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disruptive editing  

message: Repin was born in territory Ukraine - please amend 2A02:C7E:575D:6200:650A:7C3E:752C:198A (talk) 21:10, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2022 

message: Wikipedia should not be a politicized platform... what are the authoritative sources that Repin is Ukrainian? The fact that he was born on the territory of present-day Ukraine?
 according to this logic, let's write Kant down in Russian, because he was born on the territory of present-day Russia.
it is worth noting that 60% of the current Ukraine was founded by Russian EMPERORS.  It is worth noting that Oleg the prophetic captured Kiev and said: "... and Kiev will become the mother city of Russians... "
do not forget about the Ukrainization of Donetsk, Kherson, Kharkiv, etc. during the Soviet era. Do not forget how the USSR just took RUSSIAN LANDS and GAVE them to Ukrainians who lived in large numbers exceeding 80% only in the Poltava province.
I would not be surprised if this discussion is closed because of the whining of Ukrainians and I am called a fascist. After all, this is "DEMOCRACY AND JUSTICE" Kalimenk (talk) 11:10, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  origin of Repin 

message: in an area that, since the 14th century, diplomats from the Roman/Byzantine Empire referred to as Little Russia, Little Ruthenia. The very concept of Ukrainian nationality appeared in the mid-nineteenth century in Lviv, among the Uniates who in the sixteenth century renounced the Orthodox faith and submitted to the Catholic pope.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.111.119.54 (talk) 11:02, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: He was a Russian, born in the Russian Empire

message: Unequivocally states that Repin was Ukrainian. The Met is the most serious authority.--Aristophile (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Already mentioned above, this is not a new argument. Mellk (talk) 17:53, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

text: The article itself states that Repin was born in Russian Empire, hence he is Russian. 2001:8003:3225:4501:7046:893D:1D89:5EEB (talk) 10:59, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Metropolitan Museum (New York City)

message: Repin was Russian born, not Ukrainian born. He was born in Russia, which is undisputed. Someone born in Alaska in 1866 wouldn’t be called an American born Russian. That would be factually incorrect and ridiculous. Someone kindly correct this. 198.166.206.158 (talk) 17:42, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2024 

message: The last sentence in this section says: "The story is told by the different expressions on the faces of his family and small details, such as the portraits of Tsar Alexander III and of favourite Russian poets on the wall." 
The man portrayed in the portrait directly behind (over) the head of the exile's wife is very clearly Taras Shevchenko, a celebrated Ukrainian poet (and painter). I propose to change the wording to: "Russian and Ukrainian poets on the wall." This matches with what it says on the wiki about the painting itself, see: They Did Not Expect Him. 185.38.209.29 (talk) 19:07, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moscow and "The Wanderers" (1876–1885): "They Did Not Expect Him"