Talk:Kiwi (bird)/Archive 1

message: This article has been listed on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion in the past. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiwi for the discussion archive.
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This article needs a lot of work to get it accurate. I hesitate, despite lashing out on List of New Zealand birds and putting 5 species (incl 2 subspecies), as I'm not sure how well accepted are recent suggestions for classification. Nurg 07:33, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion discussion 

message: The article states that the largest kiwi is 450 mm tall.  This is 4.5 cm (about 2 inches).  I'm not an expert, but I think they are probaby bigger than that if they weigh somewhere in the range of kilograms (unless the article is mistaken in the weight also???).
:You're out by one decimal place (450 mm = 45 cm, not 4.5 cm).  All the height and weight information in the article is correct, afaics.  Ppe42 13:15, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  kiwi size accuracy 

message: Should a mascot for wikis ever be needed, like Tux for linux, I vote for a kiwi.--SQB 08:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that, but it might be hard to convince an international organisation to choose an animal that can only be found in one country, as it's mascot (A penguin can be found in many countries). -- Faded_Mantis 04:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The California state bear, the grizzly, can't be found in California. What's the big deal? — Daniel 23:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: and plus, if ya switch thw w and the k, wikis=kiwis. lol, at first I though that wuz the reason it wuz called wikis. ROFLness HyperSushi21 04:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mascot 

message: While current thinking on NZ pre-European settlement is moving towards an understanding that the first settlers arrived in the 13th century, this is not universally accepted in the mainstream. Some (eg Jim Williams (Ngāi Tahu), of Otago University) would still place the earliest settlement at around 850 AD. DNA analysis of kiore (Polynesian rats) indicates that the rats were in New Zealand about 2000 years ago. This points to a very early landfall, as they must have been brought here by humans, but the belief that there was actual settlement here at that time or earlier is the province of off-the-wall alternative New Age theorists. Copey 2 23:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: First NZ human settlement

message: "A kiwi is any of the species of small flightless birds.... Several kiwi species are endangered." Is a kiwi a specific species or several species? — Daniel 23:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kiwi=genus Apteryx. I think kiwi=several species. I'm not sure if all Apteryx are kiwi tho... HyperSushi21 04:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genus or  species? 

message: The species section should be overhauled, as there are five species of kiwi. These are Rowi, Little spotted, Brown, Great spotted,and tokoeka. Tokoeka is then divided into 4 subspecies (Haast, Stewert Island, North Fiordland, and South Fiordland).
THIS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED http://www.savethekiwi.org.nz/AboutTheBird/TheKiwiFamily
I have worked out the kinks and have made the species section more accurate. 67.172.125.13 21:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of species 

message: can they be kept as pets?
I wish they could, but due to their temperment and the law, I wouldn't even try.
Please sign your post with four tildes Mumblebot (talk) 23:46, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pets 

message: The title says it all, I think that each of the species descriptions should be on their own pages, like Okarito Brown Kiwi. 67.172.125.13 02:01, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual Pages For Species 

message: I was thinking about adding a Kiwi's in popular culture section and with the youtube link to the popular Kiwi 3d animation, only a suggestion and the link to the video is here.
--Kai81123 12:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no specific policy with regards to YouTube content (there was a guideline but it failed) Wikipedia:External links/YouTube. However as Wikipedia:External links states, linking copyright violations is violation of policy. This applies to a fair amount of YouTube content and as such, YouTube links should be done with care. However, in this case, the person who uploaded claims to be the copyright owner and this seems likely the case so there is no problem in that area. Issue of relevance etc obviously still need to be considered Nil Einne 14:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Culture? 

message: Lately we have been seeing a lot of vandalism by IPs. Do you guys think this page needs to be semi-protected? Teak the Kiwi 23:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like a vandalism every few days. Semiprotection is normally only considered if an article is vandalised every few hours or more frequently. The solution is to encourage more users to watchlist the article so that reverts can happen more quickly. It is already listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject New Zealand/Vandalism patrol, the next step might be to add it to Wikipedia:Most vandalized pages.-gadfium 00:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now with the rash of ip vandals maybe we should semi-protect it. Teak the Kiwi 23:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: User:Seong0980 deleted this image because he said it didnt load and wasted space. However it loads fine for me in a couple of browsers so I restored it - maybe the servers were having a bad day for Seong0980. Kahuroa 10:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image:NZ-kiwimap.png

message: Do we need all of the info (other than there are 5 species, 1 with 4 subspecies + the links)? Teak the Kiwi 18:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Species Info 

message: Does anyone se relavence to the stamp being on the page/where it is? Teak the Kiwi 23:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there are better pics on Commons, also not impressed with recent changes to the pictures, including the yellow blurry pic of various stuffed kiwi in a museum. Kahuroa 19:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If someone could get higher quality of the museum it would be ok. In the mean time I will try to identify each specimen. However, I definently think the stamp picture should go. Teak the Kiwi 23:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The museum in question has long since closed - so I can't see what can be done now to improve the image, which, because it is yellow blurry and dark, detracts from the page and makes it look amateurish. It has no redeeming photographic or encyclopedic qualities so I will replace it with one of the drawings of the spotted kiwi from Commons. Kahuroa 19:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stamp and Other New Pic 

message: The current taxobox does not show the conservation status.
kimsalls70.114.248.250 14:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because conservation status is only relevant for an individual species, but kiwi are a genus with at least five species.-gadfium 19:24, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kiwi Taxobox needs to be updated 

message: Should kiwi not be capitilised throughout the article as it is the name? i.e kiwi to Kiwi? --Nordic Crusader 07:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kiwi Capitilisation 

message: do the birds fly  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.237.135.194 (talk) 19:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read at least the first sentence of the article before asking questions.-gadfium 03:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The reasonable answer to that would be no, the kiwi can't fly. (♠Murchy♠) 13:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Flight

message: The first line of the third paragraph under "Behaviour and ecology" states:
"Once bonded as a monogamous couple, a male and female kiwi tend to live their whole lives together as a monogamous couple."
This is repetitive.  The best way to rectify the sentence would be to simply omit the first "as a monogamous couple" just before the comma.  Therefore, it should read:
"Once bonded, a male and female kiwi tend to live their whole lives together as a monogamous couple."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.155.85.106 (talk) 05:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is just what I thought. I will change it. --Timtak (talk) 08:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Once bonded as a monogamous couple, a male and female kiwi tend to live their whole lives together as a monogamous couple. 

message: Almost from birth, chicks snarl and hiss at predators.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.195.251 (talk) 19:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  chicks 

message: The maori legend about how and why kiwi became like they are is interesting.  It has it that the kiwi used to be a beautiful bird that lived in the tree tops, with colourful plumage and vibrant song, much like the tui or the bellbird.  But one day the forest was overwhelmed by lots of creepy crawlies, insects and worms, and so Tane Mahuta, god of the forest gathered all the native birds together, saying who will change their lifestyle and eat up all the bugs.  Shining cuckoo was too busy building her nest, pukeko didnt want to get his feet dirty and didn't want to be away from the other birds, ruru (the morepork owl) couldn't bare the thought of being down in the darkness of the forest floor, and only kiwi said, "yeah, alright, i'll do it."  Tane said, even though you'll have to lose your ability to fly and all your nice colouring and will have to be nocturnal?  Kiwi still said he/she'd do it.  So Tane punished the birds who wouldnt, making pukeko live in swamps, away from the forest birds, making the shining cuckoo never build a nest again, and become a pariah for parasitising other bird's nests, making morepork nocturnal, etc...  Perhaps this story (not my version obviously) could go into the article under 'Folklore' or something.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.20.3.97 (talk) 02:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maori legend. 

message: Just noticed that this animal has no conservation status bar. fix please i was curious? 202.74.220.148 (talk) 07:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll notice we are dealing with an entire family here, not a species. Only species have conservation status. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 08:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Conservation Status

message: recently updated the taxobox on this page to change the order from Struthioniformes to Apterigiformes.  I have reverted these changes for the time being.  I understand that the taxonomy of birds is a tricky subject, but it strikes me that this change is not "non-controversial" and should be discussed here first.  Please express any opinions regarding this change here.  If no objection is made, I will restore this change.  I will also include this topic in discussion at WP:WikiProject Birds. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of which is the more accepted order, I see that Apterygiformes redirects to this article, but there is no mention of the term here. There should be a paragraph explaining that there is or was or is proposed to be such an order, containing only Kiwi, It might also be appropriate to include a mention of the term at Ratite, since Struthioniformes redirects there.-gadfium 20:13, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Order

message: In the wikipedia page (in the Behaviour/Ecology section) it suggests Kiwis lay egg very rarely, with large gaps in between each egg, but on this page  it says they lay them "with the consistency of battery hens". Which is right??
--ScribbleStick (talk) 21:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I presume that the "consistency" refers to the density of the yolk and white ! Shyamal (talk) 05:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This page, from the same site as linked to by ScribbleStick, describes kiwi egg laying and egg composition in more detail. The comparison with battery hens clearly doesn't refer to laying frequency or egg composition. But laying can be consistent without being frequent. The sentence at the bottom, saying that some kiwi lay 100 eggs during their lifetime, certainly seems to indicate consistency in this sense, given that each egg takes a month to produce. -- Avenue (talk) 09:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  How often do Kiwis lay eggs?