Talk:Romance plurals

message: What about the way plurals are formed in, say, Piedmontese or Lombard? Only in Lombard there are at least two (maybe three) ways (depending on the variety) to form the plural of nouns and adjectives... 
:Example (Ticinese/Western Lombard koiné):
:m. ul gatt 'the (male) cat' ~ i gatt 'the (tom) cats'  (sg.: Ø ending, pl.: Ø ending)
:f. la gata 'the (female) cat' ~ i gatt 'the (female) cats' (sg.: -a ending, pl.: Ø ending).
:That is to say:
::m.  sg.: Ø ending, pl.: Ø ending -- i.e. unchanged
::f.  sg.: a ending, pl.: Ø ending
:Other varieties have:
::m.  sg.: Ø ending, pl.: Ø ending -- i.e. unchanged
::f.  sg.: a ending, pl.: i/e ending
:Others have:
::m.  sg.: Ø ending, pl.: Ø ending -- i.e. unchanged
::f.  sg.: a ending, pl.: a ending -- i.e. unchanged
Moreover, many Lombard varieties make also use of metaphony:
:m. sg. vecc 'old' ~ m. pl. vicc 'old'
:m. sg. tòch 'piece' ~ m. pl. töch 'pieces'
--Jorgengb 22:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: There is more to it...

message: I'm not an expert on IPA (nor, really, on Romanian) but [bunitʃi] doesn't strike me as quite right: that terminal [i] is barely pronounced, if at all, I'd expect that there is a different symbol for that. Certainly not the same sound as the Italian in the immediately previous example. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:52, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wanted to add there another sign but I couldn't find it :(  So if you know romanian you know how to pronounce bunici is like dutch. Please add if you can.  Bonaparte  talk 20:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, there is a different symbol: ʲ (small sup j) bogdan 20:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL and how could I make the difference, for me is still a square  Bonaparte  talk 20:09, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You don't have the right fonts installed. bogdan 20:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probabil.  Bonaparte  talk 20:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[International Phonetic Alphabet|IPA]]

message: One of the most characteristic aspects of eastern romance is the loss of final consonants. Standard Italian has no verbs or nouns with final consonants, and although Romanian has, that's due to later developments (ie. later vowel losses, Slavic influence, etc.). I think that should be included somewhere, as that would explain many things mentioned here (ie. the desapparition of final s).
BTW, these consonant losses already appear in articles here in Wikipedia.
Thanks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.184.13.19 (talk) 15:41, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Both Italian and Romanian show explicit evidence of the development /s/ > /j/ in word-final position which is discussed in the article, e. g. Old Italian trei = Romanian trei 'three', Italian noi = Romanian noi 'we', Italian voi = Romanian voi 'you (plural)', Italian dai = Romanian dai 'you (singular) give', independent of any loss of consonants in word-final position. Rather, it seems that the development /s/ > /j/ in word-final position is very old in Eastern Romance, and word-final consonant loss is more recent, with the /j/ resulting from this development eventually being treated like any other word-final consonant, at least in the ending *-oj – except in monosyllabic words, where final /j/ was preserved. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 18:04, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loss of final consonants in Eastern Romance 

message: I forget how to remove it! Help? William.quay (talk) 22:49, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead external link... 

message: I removed this addition as it doesnt help strengthen the case for a process that happened 2000 years ago. Perhaps a link to lenition might be appropriate, but info about something happening in S America today does not bolster the case even the slightest bit for what happened 2000 yrs ago. —Soap— 20:51, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chilean Spanish 

message: Metaphony is missing. Metaphony marks gender/number in most of continental Southern Italo-Romance. I saw in the comments data from Lombard as well. A paragraph should be added to account for metaphony - @Jorgengb could provide data for the North and I could for the South. Ophoryce (talk) 08:16, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metaphony