Talk:Kino's Journey

message: 3/5 of the external links were broken.  I removed them. LaesaMajestas (talk) 14:19, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Links 

message: There seem to be contradictions on Wikipedia over who voices Kino.
On two pages (Ai Maeda (actress) and Ai Maeda (voice actress)) seperate people with the same name are credited for voicing Kino.
Which one is it? Which page is wrong?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.17.134.9 (talk) 12:19, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ai Maeda (actress) voices Kino.--十八 13:12, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have corrected the Voice Actresses page accordingly.13:32, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maeda Ai 

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message: Cisgender by default is about as bad as straight by default. Kino's gender is intentionally ambiguous, and their 'female' sex does not equal evidence of a gender. We should replicate their intentionally ambiguous gender in the article. Talib1101 (talk) 04:02, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a place to right great wrongs. If you have a reliable source that can attest that Kino identifies as gender ambiguous, we can discuss further. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:02, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I find it a little condescending you think I'm trying to write a "great wrong". Obsessive arguing over minor details is probably what keeps Wikipedia accurate and up-to-date. I am not really trying to make a claim as to the gender identity of a fictional character in a series that doesn't really discuss gender identity. It's more that most of the sources the article cites go out of their way to simply refer to Kino as Kino, and so to refer to Kino as "she" is itself original research and inconsistent with many of our sources. I've seen Kino referred to online as "she", "they", or simply "Kino". I would probably default to "Kino" or "they" before "she" unless we have a reliable source, as Wikipedia does with Vi Hart, who never identified as explicitly non-binary or claimed to use they/them. Biological sex isn't the same as pronouns, and if Kino is intentionally referred to in ambiguous ways, or in the absence of other evidence, I would default to not assuming a gender, and to referring to Kino in the same way most of our sources do: mainly by name. To do otherwise would be original research. To label Kino as nonbinary in the absence of conclusive evidence would be wrong. That's not what I'm trying to do. Rather than assuming Kino is either nonbinary or uses she/her is presumptuous either way. We should just not assume. I don't feel qualified to make the necessary edits but there's a dissonance between the way this article refers to Kino and the way I see other sources refer to Kino, including many this article cites. Canonical sex isn't the same as canonical pronouns. When the series seems to go out of it's way to refer to Kino in ambiguous terms, and when Kino canonically took the name of a male Kino met, and when the series doesn't shy away from gendering other characters in the series, it seems very intentional to me the choice not to unambiguously gender Kino. Not every androgynous person is nonbinary. But neither does every female use she/her. To assume someone uses she/her without the same standard of evidence as you apply to those trying to refer to Kino using they/them is a double-standard. The most obvious compromise is not to use pronouns. The discussion above makes it clear to me that we haven't determined Kino's English-language pronouns, and so to assume them would be original research. I believe it is standard to use they/them when a person's pronouns are unknown, but perhaps avoiding pronouns altogether would be best. I agree that to argue Kino is nonbinary would be an overstatement of the evidence. But that's irrelevant. Biological sex is clear, gender identity is largely irrelevant, and pronouns are unknown. Talib1101 (talk) 22:36, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: What I believe Tenryuu was getting at (correct me if I'm wrong) is that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. In other words, the absence of reliable sources attesting to Kino's gender identity (or lack thereof) is not proof that Kino has a gender identity outside of her biological sex i.e. a lack of gender identity. Just because Kino doesn't correct anyone who mistakes her as male doesn't mean anything one way or the other. And when you think about it, a girl traveling alone across the world would generally have less run-ins with bad situations if most people assume she's male i.e. Kino could be doing it as a form of protection instead of some kind of expression of her gender identity. Besides, using they/them for a character where there is no evidence of a non-binary identity would be inaccurate. Just because some sources may refer to her in that way doesn't mean Wikipedia acquiesces to them because Kino, being a fictional character, is not bound by the WP:BLP guidelines where that would apply to someone real, like Vi Hart who you brought up.--十八 04:58, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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