Talk:Ninus

message: "The figures of King Ninus and Queen Semiramis first appear in the history of Persia written by Ctesias of Cnidus (c. 400 BC), who claimed, as court physician to Artaxerxes II, to have access to the royal historical records."
I was just reading Herodotus's Histories earlier (He wrote prior to the 2nd Persian War under Artaxerxes I) and he mentions both Ninos son of Belus and Semiramis, but he doesn't connect them to each other, quite the Contrary, Semiramis is dated to 5 Generation Before Nictos, whihc could easily be Rough consistent with the actual reign of the Assyrian Queen who is likely to have inspired her, while Ninos appears to be much more Ancient, contemporary with Perseus.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.131.23.208 (talk) 21:25, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: This Statement is very False

message: What did Pyramus and Thisbe have to do with Ninus?80.141.190.107 (talk) 21:01, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pyramus and Thisbe 

message: @Furius Honestly I'm bewildered by the fact that you think that image somehow contributes to an understanding of the topic. We have absolutely no idea what Ninus looked like to my knowledge, unless he is Shamshi-Adad (which I personally doubt, but there is an argument to be made there). What difference is there between that image and me making a crayon drawing of a random face and calling it Ninus? AlphabeticThing9 (talk) 18:32, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's extremely common to include later images of these kinds of characters. They serve as illustrations of the reception of the figure in later times. Will you now be demanding that the images be stripped from King Arthur or Abraham? None of them are contemporary images! Most of them are very anachronistic! No, because the history of how people have thought about these characters is an important field of scholarly and general interest. Furius (talk) 23:53, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: So tell me: what specifically does a reader learn about the "reception" of Ninus from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ninus&oldid=1123847894#/media/File:Ninus_Rex.jpg? This seems like something that tells us much more about the artist Guillaume Rouillé than it does about Ninus. Especially when we do have artifacts - including possibly depiction - of the man who could well be Ninus, Shamshi-Adad I. The figure may or may not be conflated with the later Shamshi-Adad V, and we definitely have a very clear picture of him: https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/W_1856-0909-63. And yes, I actually am against the inclusion of the current art on the Abraham page, it seems juvenile to insist on having pictures whether or not they're accurate and contribute any real understanding to the topic. I believe King Arthur to be a different matter since at this point it's primarily about the fiction rather than the man, so the pictures, being fiction, are more appropritate. AlphabeticThing9 (talk) 17:14, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You continue to muddle the issue - this article isn't about Shamshi-Adad I or Shamshi-Adad V. We have separate articles on them. This article is about the figure from Greek historiography onwards until the discovery of cuneiform ("Ninus (Greek: Νίνος), according to Greek historians writing in the Hellenistic period and later, was the founder of Nineveh."). Even if one of the Shamsi-Adads underlie Ninus at some point, they still have next to nothing in common. Neither of them founded Nineveh, had a son called Bel, invaded Bactria, or were buried in a giant pryamid-building in Babylon. You cited the example of the Alexander Romance earlier - that article is not about Alexander the Great and nor is this article about Shamshi-Adad I or Shamshi-Adad V. Images of artifacts associated with either of those historical figures would be appropriate only in the "Historicity" section, which discusses the possibile relationship of the Greek historiographic figure with people who actually lived. The article discusses the reception of this figure in Shakespeare, so a depiction by a (near) contemporary of Shakespeare like Guillaume Rouillé is totally appropriate. I cited the Abraham example as a demonstration that this practice is thoroughly normal on WP and that you're way out on a limb in insisting that articles feature only contemporary images. Some more examples: Eleazar, Ahaziah of Judah, Aristobulus I, Artemisia I of Caria, Esarhaddon, Nebuchadnezzar II, Cyrus the Great, Julius Caesar. If you want that to change, you should initiate a CfD on the point in general, rather than trying to pick off the images on low-traffic pages like this one while no one is watching. Furius (talk) 00:17, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional picture