Talk:The Settlers of Catan/Archive 1

message: Game mechanics in the main entry have been meticulously checked against the official rules.  Please maintain this standard when contributing to it and its subsections.  If you are unsure about a particular aspect, first check Mayfair Games's Rules Clarifications.  Then start a new thread here, before changing the Settlers of Catan documentation by altering a rule that has already been checked, or adding details that may not be correct.  Then we can all work to find out what the official word is, and someone can email rulesguru@mayfairgames.com if necessary. ~ stardust 16:33, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  official rules 

message: * When discarding on a 7, are lost cards up or down? ~ stardust 16:42, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  questions regarding the official rules 

message: * Smack has listed the pages for all 21 sea maps on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion#December 16.  Reason for deletion: he believes they are fan variants because he's never heard of the two seafarers expansion sets.  RickK has voted for deletion, in line with his history of ignorance and lack of integrity from the copyright and fair use discussion.  Please tell these two gentlemen to go home. ~ stardust 02:17, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  vote against deletion 

message: *Settlers of Catan - good content, excellent graphics to guide the reader's eye, and an overall impressive overview of the game.  --Chuck SMITH 02:30, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments from [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates]]

message: :Image:CatanSiedler.jpg should be deleted or replaced by a higher quality image — i.e., one that shows more of the board, does not have color distortion at the bottom, and has better content (e.g. the player's face should not be so obscured). Objections? --Flex June 28, 2005 14:17 (UTC)
:That sounds like a good idea.  The color distortion at the bottom certainly makes the picture look odd. The demiurge 04:58, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
::No objections from me. It's not a good image. --Millsdavid 05:37, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The players in Flex's image appear to be holding the game cards in the wrong direction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.81.82.41 (talk • contribs) 
What, you mean the sheep card? First, there is no rule about the orientation of the cards in one's hand, and second, the color of the card (in this case green) seems to be the most important thing for distinguising them. So how is it "wrong"? --Flex (talk|contribs) 14:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gameplay image

message: S3D doesn't seem to think that the board game is required. 
:I am not a lawyer, but I have looked into the copyright laws related to games in the United States and here is what I have discovered: The idea for a game is not in any way copyrighted. In fact, neither is the actual name of the game. What is copyrighted is the particular way it is represented, i.e. artwork, rule text, etc. So from a straight reading of the copyright law of the United States, Sea3D is completely legal, because it does not use any original artwork from the board game, nor contain any text from any of the rules distributed with the game by Mayfair or Kosmos. Furthermore, I have removed all references to "Catan" from anything having to do with the game so as to stay as completely distant from anything that might be a registered trademark as possible. The game I have written is distributed completely freely, and is in fact, open source. I have never made money from it, and have given thousands of hours of my own free time to making it and maintaining it, as well as spent hundreds of dollars of my own resources in its development and in running the site. In summary, I have done everything I know how to to ensure that what I am doing is legal, and will willingly and quickly conform to anything I have done that is pointed out as noncompliant.
So, should we change the header? Break out a separate section? Or what?--SarekOfVulcan 19:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online versions requiring the board game? 

message: Should "similar game(s)" be enumerated in a game's Wiki entry?  For example, I find similarities between Avalon Hill's Air Baron and Settlers of Catan, but I don't think that it warrants mention here. --JHunterJ 12:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I think that it is OK to list a few similar games.  It think there is an especially strong case for inclusion if explaining the similarities helps the reader gain a better understanding of the game, or if the similar game is linked to its own wiki article.  The it serves as a type of "see also."  TMS63112 16:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that it depends on how similar the game is.  "Settling Zion" has six resources generated and settlements may be built at a distance of two.  I think that it is close enough to list. Val42 16:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's that close, it should be close enough to be a licensed variant.  Perhaps changing the header to "Unlicensed variants", so indicate that not just similarity qualifies. -- JHunterJ 10:56, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It used to have that title, but someone else removed it. Val42 04:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I gave it that title back.  It was under "Licensed adaptations" when I first saw it, which is why I removed it from there.  If there was an "Unlicensed" section before that, maybe someone else finds those off-topic too.  But this works for me now. JHunterJ 10:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similar game(s) -- on-topic? 

message: I just played Settlers of Catan for first time in English. I kept stumbling over the words used in the English version, as I wanted to use the literal translations of the German ("Clay" instead of "Brick", "Knight" instead of "Soldier", etc.). Would it make sense to have a spin-off page with a table of the names of the various titles and pieces, as well as English translations thereof? samwaltz 18:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Page: Catan Internationalisation?

message: Would an external link to Settlers of Catan at Funagain.com be considered linkspam? --Pixelface 02:25, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a commercial site, so yes, I think so. -- JHunterJ 10:57, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Funagain.com

message: How many copies of this game have been sold? Is it the most successful German-style board game? —ptk✰fgs 20:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales figures? 

message: I'm not very knowledgeable about the various (possibly many) adaptations of Settlers, but the reference to Rockman.EXE in the Licensed adaptations section seems to be inappropriate, having nothing to do with the series.  Can someone confirm? .digamma 22:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing to do with the Catan series or the Rocman series?  In any event, it's a licensed adaptation. See http://www.catan.jp and http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/20899 -- JHunterJ 23:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The BoardGameGeek link you referenced is very clear in terms of the purposes of this article, much better than an arbitrary link to MegaMan.EXE..digamma 03:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism?: Licensed adaptation 

message: Some mention should be made of the java version of settlers of catan.
http://wiki.drfaulken.com/index.php?title=Java_Settlers_of_Catan_Guide
Mathiastck 03:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Java Settlers of Catan 

message: Everyone who plays the game knows that the resource is always called "sheep" and not "wool".  Furthermore, the concept of "sheep" is central to the culture and character of the game.  I think that we should use the word "sheep" on the page, and not the word "wool". Cazort 05:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the original German editions used sheep to represent wool.  In any case, there are editions where sheep do not represent wool, such as Simply Catan.  Wool is technically the correct term. kelvSYC 20:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text: "I got wood for sheep" is how that phrase goes. Jeffrywith1e 10:38, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wool vs. Sheep 

message: From my game rule book (Game ISBN is 1-56905-091-0):
* Hills = Brick
* Pasture = Wool
* Mountains = Ore
* Fields = Grain
* Forest = Lumber
* Desert = Nothing
The article refers to Grain as Wheat. For the sake of correctness shouldn't it be referred to as Grain?
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.236.175.178 (talk) 05:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Val42 04:23, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Some rules refer to Grain as Wheat, Hills as Clay, and/or Fields as Farmland. The english translations between different production runs of the game and between the expansions have created a fuzzy area as to the "official" term at times. Also, Desert tiles produce Jewels in some variations of gameplay. Angel the Techrat 15:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct terminology for resources 

message: The following line appears in the text of the article, and a "citation needed" tag was recently added:
:Like many games released by Mayfair, the English-language version of the game has different artwork to the German original.
Do we really need a citation for this?  I mean, if anyone looks at the set of tiles for each version, it is obvious that they have different artwork.  Or is stating the obvious considered "personal research"? The other option is that we show the artwork side-by-side and let the reader decide.  Val42 02:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the sentence so that it no longer needs the citation.  I also moved it to a better location. Val42 21:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Different artwork