Talk:Delray Beach Open

message: :Image:Delray Beach ITC logo.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot 04:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Delray Beach ITC logo.jpg

message: I have removed the flagicons because they did not meet the criteria given at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (flags). To wit:
#Do not emphasize nationality without good reason. The players are NOT representing countries or national teams (the mixed nationality doubles teams make that clear).
#Help the reader rather than decorate. "Flag and other icons are commonly misused as decoration. Adding a country's flag next to its name does not provide additional encyclopedic information, and is often simply distracting. Wikipedia generally strongly eschews the use of images for decorative purposes, preferring those that provide additional essential information or needed illustration."
#Accompany flags with country names. "When a flag icon is used for the first time in a list or table, it needs to appear adjacent to its respective country (or province, etc.) name, as not all readers are familiar with all flags. Use of flag templates without country names is also an accessibility issue, as it can render information difficult for color blind readers to understand."
*-- Donald Albury 13:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, but being a little more pragmatic -
*Some of the players are non-notable, and are red-linked. In these cases, the flag is certainly helpful. It also saves the reader the time of having to go through every player's name if they wish to know their nationalities and are not familiar with them; the flags themselves are unintrusive.
*I think it's a little subjective to say "The players are NOT representing countries". The ATP, in its draws, has a three letter abbrieviation of the country each player represents,, so they deem it relevent. Additionally, players often state their pride in representing their country and fans follow players according to nationality. The media commonly stratifies players according to country
*Flagicons provide easy comparison for someone wishing to know how x nationality has faired at the tournament.
*Many other sporting articles adhere to the use of flagicons, see... 2006 Tour de France, 2007 Formula One season#Results and standings, and this here. I know this constitutes WP:OTHERSTUFF but all this highlights is how poor the consultation process is that these Manuals of Style undergo. They're written by people who spend the majority of their time working on the administration of Wikipedia. Flagicons are used on various sporting articles at the discretion of the communities who actually participate in writing them.
*I'll think the last point is entirely fair, and the country name should be integrated in to the table, as per the French Wikipedia (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tournoi_de_Delray_Beach). This would be especially helpful in cases where the flags have stayed the same/had minor alterations but the country has changed i.e Czechoslovakia to Czech Republic. 
Yohan euan o4 (talk) 17:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How is slapping a flagicon next to a name going to help readers identify a player? Flagicons are approved for sports in which players represent national teams (your Tour de France example), but that is not the case here. In any case, I've asked for other opinions on this. -- Donald Albury 23:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Flagicons

message: I reverted material taken from here and 
here. The rest of the material I reverted was advertising/promoting tickets for the tournament and other events. -- Donald Albury 00:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio reversion