Talk:Moravia

message: however, modern historians and archaeologists debate this, citing the probable Slavic origins of the name Samo among other supporting factors.
:Samo is derived from Germanic language :same = M.E. (Old Saxon), O.N. samr,sami Goth. sama. German language Samen (Semen)= English seeds.
:Other samples; Samland , Prussia, Sami or Lapps in northern Europe etc.
:That is one theory. Since at least the 1970s, there has been a lot of scholarly debate on this.  There may be no relation at all to the German Samen.  Sometimes words in different languages are identical, but may not be related. One of the leaders of the "Samo was a Slav" argument is in fact a German scholar.
:The Slavs who came into Germania also took over many German/ic words and often adapted them.
:Krol for example means king in Slavic. It is derived from Karol(us) ,king/emperor Karl der Grosse or Charlemagne, who ruled over the land.  user:H.J.
::Samo ruled teritories probably more south from Moravia, some say that he ruled Pannonia. 
::However it would worth mentioning later state of Great Moravia, which was destroyed by Hungarians, and which destrouction allowed to creating states of Poland and Czech szopen
Nothing of above is true. Samo was trully primarily a Frankish merchant in a province Senonago, as it is mentioned in the article (Fredegarii Chronicon circa 658), but he had no Frankish roots. He was indeed a Slav. Moreover, according to some sources (well known Conversio Bagoariorum et Carantanorum) he was a Karantanian and therefore he was a Slovene. Although this source is some 200 years subsequent than Fredegar's chronicle but it is epitomized from an older records in Solnograd (circa 873), we should nevertheless infer that this is better source than a faraway Frankish one. So Samo (623 - 658) was a king of one of the earliest Slavic states. (See more in Karantania article). Because Samo had hindered Frankish merchants or Frankish influence a war striked out with a Frankish king Dagobert I, Merovingian (603 - 639), who went over Samo's army with all powers of Austrasia (Avstrazia). But in 631 at Wogastisburg (probably Forchheim in Frankish territory) he lost the final battle. This union of states under Samo's goverment is the most important state formation of Slavs at that time. Best regard. -- XJamRastafire 18:53 Sep 4, 2002 (UTC)
:LINGUISTICALLY it's 4 to 1 in favor of Slavianophils:
:The word-root 'SOMO-' is Indoeuropean \See 'A Dictionary of Selected Synonyms in the Principal Indo-European Languages' by Carl Darling Buck\ and not just 'Germanic'. The meaning of this root (C.D.Buck) is "itself related to others for  'together'". 
:The ending '-O' is the standard vocative ending for the first names in modern Ukrainian (a Slavic language).
:The most popular Ukrainian word of all times is 'SAMOSTIYNOST' ("Independence") as opposed to Russian 'SAMOSTOYATELNOST' ("independence"), both having the connotation "self-standing".
:So, linggguistically speaking, it's 4 to 1 in favor of the Slavianophils.
:And also take into account that the "Germans" and the "Slavs" in the 7th century were less apart from each other in their languages and in all other aspects of everyday life than it has been depicted in the course of recent 800 years.
:So much for the "Frankish merchant" who could be just a Slavic 'merchant trading with Franks' as well as the treacherous Frank committing treason of his country and the king.
:Blahspeak by G.N.Boiko-Slasten
:on this 29 day of November 2003. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.247.44.100 (talk) 22:21, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Samo 

message: "The Moravians speak Czech dialects..." ---Judging from the way dialects mysteriously become languages the next day, expect to see a Moravian language article in the future. Alexander 007 23:46, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moravian language, wait & see 

message: As per Wikipedia:German-English translation requests
*Article: :de:Mähren
*Corresponding English-language article: Moravia
*Worth doing because: German has more info, esp history and geography
*Originally Requested by: --Tydaj 18:00, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation from [[:de:Mähren]] 

message: Added as a new reference - the Constantine Porphyrogenitus treatise - not touching the paragraph talking about Moravia's history. Later, maybe, I'll be back in order to add a sentence or two, based on this reference, trying not to damage the existing text which looks great to me already. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.75.5.121 (talk) 01:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the Sources section 

message: Can we really say that Tomas Masaryk, was born in Moravia to a Slovak father ...? (mater semper certa est) Cepek 21:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  People 

message: I have undone the last edit by User:Juro ... because Literary Czech is closer to older Czech and Moravian dialects have preserved more of older Czech language than Bohemian Czech.  This is not true. Typical Czech endings like mlejn (for mlýn) can be traced to medieval times so you cannot claim Moravian dialects to preserve more of older Czech. Talking about Moravian and Bohemian dialects we can say, that common Czech as spoken in Bohemia is more or less homogeneous today but there is still a larger variety of Moravian
dialects. To claim, that Moravian  dialects are closer to literary Czech is naive.  Anyway, such a discussion belongs to the excellent article Czech language. --Cepek 07:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech language spoken in Moravia 

message: Last edit by Qertis changes (apart from others) Thaya to Dyje. Whatever I do not like the German name of the river (because the Czech name sounds better to me), we cannot force usage of Czech names in the English language. It seems that the name Thaya has been accepted already.
Also I cannot understand why Jewish-Austrian neurologist and psychiatrist Sigmund Freud ... was changed to Viennese neurologist and psychiatrist.... Freud vas a Jew, he was an Astrian, his books were not burned by Nazis because he was Viennese neurologist. --Cepek 13:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech names in English 

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thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Czech Wikipedian's notice board]]

message: For an article in the german Wikipedia I'm looking for informations to the Hodolein-camp near Olomouc (in this time called too Olmütz).
Which persons where in the camp? Normal members of the german "Wehrmacht", normal people called "Sudetendeutsche", or members of organisations of Konrad Henlein oder NSDAP-members?
Any information is warmly welcomed. Please inform me in the german Wikipedia, under member "Nup".
Thanks!
Nup (talk) 10:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Informations to the "Lager Hodolein" near Olomouc ("Olmütz") in 1946 

message: We are as Moravians nation and we are not speaking Czech dialects, but Slav and German dialects.
R  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.240.1.251 (talk) 06:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dialects

message: Doncsecz, this and this edits stubbornly promoting the so-called "Moravian language" could be viewed as highly doubtful and unfair edits which remind political propaganda rather than effort to create meaningful, neutral and unbiased encyclopaedia.
Here are the serious objections:
#you insert information about the marginal (to a large extent artificial) phenomenon where it does not belong
#you quote from a source that you didn't read and which you don't understand, because you don't speak Czech (so don't even know that the article is about something else)
#everywhere here on Wikipedia you insert links to your article whilst your motivation is clearly propagandistic, not informational (as can be easily proved by your activity elsewhere on the internet ([], [] and so on)
I know you from times of edit war about the article Battle on the Marchfeld and remember your curious mix of Hungarian and Prekmurian nationalism and regionalism. To some extent I am willing to understand such attitudes, but you probably do not understand that here at Wikipedia we will give not space for political propaganda neither to retreat to various local-patriotic fanatics – "¡No pasarán!" --Iaroslavvs (talk) 01:49, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Iaroslaw's opinion about the Battle of Marchfeld is very nationalistic and biased, not my contributions. This outrageous statement: your curious mix of Hungarian and Prekmurian nationalism, also shows the bias of Iaroslaw. For Iaroslaw the sources from Hungary are outset nationalists, but the Weiszhár brothers is significant specialists of the military history and objective historians. Iaroslaw watches out what ethnicity! Doncsecztalk 12:32, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Doncsecz|Doncsecz]]'s efforts to promote anywhere your own article and political opinion 

message: Sorry Iaroslaw, but your opinion is the political propaganda: also near the Battle of Marchfeld, in many cases is anti-Hungarian standpoint. In the same way against the Moravians: a biased, nationalistic, Czech propaganda. I'm Slovene Student in Slavistika of University Szombathely and not Hungarian propagandist. Iaroslaw probably is a Czechslovak nationalist. Doncsecztalk 07:39, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iaroslaw's position in doubt 

message: Trying to improve the economy section, however it's quite hard to get some sources about modern (20th century+) Moravian economy, as Moravias has unfortunately been "a historical region" and as such it was not being targeted by official economical reports/studies during major part of its economic history.
The quite long-term "historical region with border far away from any official region" status quo also propably means that any such source can be marked as non-objective because anyone who tries to sum up the information on modern economy in the borders of historical region is of course also a suspected separatist guerilla member.
Is there some wikipolicy on describing such regions?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.13.118.63 (talk) 02:03, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where to get proper sources on Moravian economy 

message: This article it's a stub. It's indeed a performance to talk a lot about Moravia without any mention of the Romanians or Vlachs from it! Just some links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravian_Wallachia http://romanianhistoryandculture.webs.com/greatmoraviaandvlachs.htm http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/texasczech/Valachs/Who%20are%20the%20Valachs.htm http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlahia_morav%C4%83 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.121.68.109 (talk) 20:31, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved to proper place chronologically on TP since Anon IP did not do it

message: It's not the Moravian flag, what we can see on the page (yellow and red), The bicolor with the colors red and yellow was used in 2. half of 19. century and at the beginning of 20. century mostly by the German language speaking part of the Moravian inhabitants (up to 1918; the colors of the eagle of the shield (coat of arms) were changed in 1915; and in 1917 was recommended by higher places after the question concerning the order of colors on the flag was put, the right order of colors used on the flag - according to the common praxis: first red and then yellow). Also Moravia never had the flag, that would be assigned legally by higher authority; but had and has its symbol - Moravian eagle (heraldry). But after 1848 two rising nationalities with somehow different goals used different colors (the difference was in 1) German speaking Moravians: red and yellow versus 2) Czech speaking Moravians: white and red combinations) to express their national feelings and the relation to the history of the land. Also today the provincial colors would be, when used on decorations, white and red, the same combination as used in the Moravian eagle from the times of Middle Age up to the half of the 19. century, and then by Moravian (Czech/Moravian language speaking/and by the Germans-Moravians - respecting the colours of Moravian eagle (white-red chequered) too) part of the inhabitants to 1918, resp. up to now, and the suggestion of "flag-bicolor" would derive from it, or rather to say would use the principles of vexilology - would take the Moravian eagle and give it on the blue field of the flag. Today (especially last years) the usage of other color combinations or symbols comes as the political effort of some parties. These  prefer the usage of yellow and red bicolor with the small shield (coat of arms) laid in the middle (gold and red chequered eagle) as the symbol of the party. But the colors of the Moravian eagle are different as written (silver and red chequered eagle). (Pavel Fric (talk) 20:44, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: So? The flag of Bohemia is still on it's respective page, yet it's not publicly used (maybe when it's mistaken for the Bohemian flag when it's actually the Polish flag). It is important to have the flag on it's page for historic reasons. Even the separatists Moravané and MNC use it!! But I'd suggest using the version with the version with the arms in the middle instead. Sorry if you're still not convinced. McLennonSon (talk) 09:42, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: Someone should add how this is pronounced.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.191.204 (talk) 15:31, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation 

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thread_title:  External links modified (February 2018) 

message: There's no citation for this, but it's in the article. 98.118.62.140 (talk) 06:09, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The beginnings of the electrical industry in Moravia date back to 1918 

message: The source makes no such claim -- 'During the Second World War,  46,306 religious Jews were murdered in the Holocaust.Hope for the future in Brno's Jewish cemetery BBC 3.7. 2014' - removed, and placed here.  Needs proper citations before restoring to the article. 50.111.41.101 (talk) 23:16, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  verification failed - Moravian Holocaust 

message: The etymology discussion is incorrect. As with Vltava (old German Vild Ava, Wild Aqua, Wild Water) Morava means Muddy Water 194.228.59.178 (talk) 22:03, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morava