Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera/Archive 3

message: 
I have created the Opera Project template (above) similar to those used by other projects. This can be added to the Talk pages of relevant articles. 
The code is: 
Any comments on the wording? (It can easily be edited - at Template:WikiProject Opera) 
Kleinzach 14:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. I have noticed, though, that most other WikiProject notice templates are completely in italics. It's a minor point, but still worth considering. I'll spend a moment fiddling. Microtonal 15:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Italics looks better. On the other hand 'collaboration' seems better than 'attempt'. Surely we use attempt in a different context, for an endeavour that may fail. e.g. an attempt to climb Everest. In this case we are talking about 'developing' and we have already been successful. No?  - Kleinzach 17:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the other project tags I looked at used "attempt", so I assumed it was more-or-less standard. I see your point, though. Microtonal 00:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK I have restored 'collaboration' and also clarified the link - however it's strange that the second link appears as bold above, but as a link on other pages (e.g. Talk:Opera). I don't understand what is happening here!  Kleinzach 00:20, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The MediaWiki software automatically does that with recursive links. It's not because of something you did, and it's nothing to worry about. Microtonal 01:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Opera Project template

message: I would like to join. Is this all that is needed, or do I need to do anything else? Kleinzach invited me. Moreschi Moreschi 10:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi and welcome. You should add your name to the list of participants on the main (project) page. It would also be good if you could introduce yourself on your user page. I see you have been writing about historic singers, which is good. This is an area that we need to work on. - Kleinzach 11:01, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I would like to join. 

message: CD and DVD cover images have been added to various opera articles. (One example is Orpheus in the Underworld). I am not against this, though I wonder if it would be better if the images were placed (with artist/release information) in separate sections devoted to recordings. What do other people think? - Kleinzach 15:26, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be better but to make the articles more complete, the addition of CD and DVD cover images would hardly do any harm to it. --Siva1979Talk to me 14:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: CD and DVD cover images

message: We have a useful :Category:Opera managers for people like Rudolph Bing, John Christie, and Joseph Volpe, however Jean-Baptiste Lully and Richard Wagner have now been designated managers - on the grounds that they oversaw the productions of their own operas. 
Should composers be listed as opera managers? Or is this a case of category proliferation? If Lully and Wagner are managers, then perhaps many others qualify? Handel, Rossini, Richard Strauss, Gustav Mahler - just to name a few. 
Does it matter? Maybe Wikipedia categories shouldn’t be taken too seriously? Any thoughts? - Kleinzach 09:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Composers as 'opera managers'

message: The synopsis of Act I of Idomeneo gives the name of one of the characters as "Electra". For the other two acts, however, she is referred to as "Elettra". Which is correct? Secondly, did Handel really write the role of Philoctetes in "Oreste" originally for countertenor? I'm sure that he did, but I'd like confirmation. Thank you.Moreschi 13:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Elettra is correct, it's the Italian form of Electra. I'm not a Handel expert, but as far as I know, there were no countertenors in his day. According to Grove, Philoctetes in Oreste was sung by a contralto. I'd recommend looking at the German pages as they are excellent on Handel and usually have this info. Regards - Kleinzach 15:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idomeneo and Oreste. 

message: WikiProject Arts 
Announcing the creation of WikiProject Arts, an effort to create a collaboration between all arts projects and artistically-minded Wikipedians in order to improve arts coverage. If you think you can help, please join us!
HAM  18:08, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: An invitation to all members of this project

message: I have compiled a List of opera directors. I will be grateful for additional names/dates, also stubs/articles where they don't exist at present. This is a relatively neglected area. - Kleinzach 09:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of opera directors

message: Stay alert. I just got rid of an idiotic spoiler warning tag on Don Giovanni. I'm assuming that it was got rid of in the last sweep; so someone must have put it back in. When it comes to opera, I loathe the otiose things.Moreschi 14:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stay Vigilant! 

message: In the article Operait is written that the fact is that the Russian Anthem is taken from Glinka's Opera A Life for Tsar. This information is wrong, and it is necessary to cut it out. (Meladina 08:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Russian Anthem

message: I have "refactored' this page with sub-headings etc. to make it easier to use. I hope that is acceptable to everybody. If not please say. I have not deleted anything. - Kleinzach 20:31, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have established an archive - again without deleting anything. Kleinzach 21:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have moved the 2005 discussion about categories to the archive. Kleinzach 01:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a second archive. Kleinzach 18:29, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a third archive. Kleinzach 19:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Refactor and archiving

message: The other day I corrected the spelling of the name of the title-character in the Aida article from Aïda to Aida and someone reverted it without explanation.  I'm now proposing to do it again and would welcome support at Talk:Aida#Diacritics, where I've put forward my rationale (I've also asked the reverter for an explanation).  --GuillaumeTell 11:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aida 

message: We have a short article on Antonio Sacchini. I have now found there is a longer one on Antonio Maria Gaspare Sacchini apparently based on the Encyclopædia Britannica 11th. This latter one seems to be full of inaccuracies. Wrong birth/death dates (assuming Grove is correct), wrong biographical information (it says the composer's father was a fisherman, whereas Grove says he was a cook), and wrong titles of operas. I originally put the page up for a merger. Maybe it would be better to simply delete the information? Any ideas on this and on the subject of the unreliability of EB 11th? - Kleinzach 15:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Speedy Redirect!! Now! My ideas on the unreliability of EB 11th is that it's unreliable, and frequently far more difficult to unwind the inaccuracies and POV from those articles than it would be to create a reliable stub from reliable sources. It was a nice idea to use those articles, but the study of "Early" music was sort of in its infancy then, and the authors were amazingly colonialist/West-centric/England-centric/POV. This is not to fault them, just saying it's not exactly cutting-edge stuff. Mak (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I have done the redirect. Kleinzach 17:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Antonio Maria Gaspare Sacchini/Encyclopædia Britannica 11th

message: This article has disappeared - quite a serious matter! (though it's still in Google's cache).  I discovered that the Deletion log says:
13:34, 15 May 2006 Jimbo Wales deleted "Lorenzo da Ponte" (serious copyvios from columbia encyclopedia alleged, please rewrite carefully!)
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Any volunteers?  --GuillaumeTell 23:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, that really sucks. I'm always really paranoid about copyvios. I'll start a stub using Grove, and see if I can find some other sources to flesh it out. I can't seem to find the Columbia Encyclopedia on my colleges online resources, but I'd like to be able to compare the articles. The article started out as a stub, so I wonder when the copyvio was added? Mak (talk) 02:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lorenzo da Ponte]]