Talk:Brazil and weapons of mass destruction

message: How come the US enters another soveiring country, demands full access to technological secrets (who are allegedly cheaper, stronger and overall better) than the tech it uses, in the pretense claim that its inspections WMD (in a country like Brazil!), while NOT accepting inspections themselves?!?LtDoc 04:08, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unfairness 

message: I think it is important to note that both Condolessa and Colin Powell has estated that they have no reason to believe that Brazil would ever use nuclear technologies to develop weapns. Also, Brazilian's costitution forbids it.
All the criticism from USA to Brazi's nuclear program came from crappy journalists -- not government. --Pinnecco 13:32, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Perception 

message: Deletion was proposed and the following reason was given:
:No functional purpose. The article clearly states that Brazil doesn't posses or has ever possesed Weapons of Mass Destruction. The article limits itself to be a list of the current/past nuclear power plants, that have nothing to do with WMD. Similar articles (In the form "Country_name and weapons of mass destruction") are created when a country is officially or clearly considered to currently posses WMD by international organizations. This is not the case of Brazil.
The deletion tag should not be removed, until the editors discuss it. Thanks.AlexCovarrubias ( Talk? ) 08:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not agree with deletion. It is public knowledge that Brazil had a covert nuclear weapons program during the 1970s-1980s. Furthermore, the country has completed the nuclear fuel cycle technology and is capable of producing weapons of mass destruction if it so chooses. Therefore it is a relevant article about WMD. Limongi (talk) 20:12, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Users are allowed (though discouraged) to remove the deletion tag at will, unless the removal is part of an obvious vandal edit. Once the article is deprodded, AfD procedures must be taken. At least that's what I read at WP:PROD. Victão Lopes I hear you... 23:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: User:AlexCovarrubias re-inserted the deletion template (twice). The article was created on 4 January 2005, and User:AlexCovarrubias is the only user who has come forth proposing (imposing) deletion. User:AlexCovarrubias has a long history of vandalising Brazil-related articles. In fact, he was blocked for 1 month from Wikipedia for this exact reason (Wikipedia:Requests for comment/AlexCovarrubias). Limongi (talk) 01:10, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion proposed 

message: The article Brazil and weapons of mass destruction was recently nominated for deletion. The result was keep and the case was closed yesterday. During the AfD, I inserted a rescue tag to see if we could improve the article. I edited the article and added about 20 reliable sources, including SIPRI, Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms Control, Arms Control Association, GlobalSecurity.org, Global Security Institute, German Council on Foreign Relations, to name a few. I didn't make any major changes - I basically reworded some parts (to reflect the sources), improved the lead and added a history section. Now, User:NPguy has reverted all my edits, and with it, erased all the sources. Limongi (talk) 13:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Limongi's references were pretty damn solid and his formatting very good. I would offer if he removes some of the "what Brazil could do" content nobody could justify reverting his edits. It's speculatory and unnecessarily controversial. I think that's all I saw wrong. I don't agree with blanking it out and starting as it was, he had a lot of work in it. Middle ground looks easy here.Batvette (talk) 14:28, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is a lot of merit to the edits that were unilaterally removed, and don't see most of them as unreliable (for example, GlobalSecurity.org is a pretty solid source). If there are specific concerns with the content, it would have been much better to discuss it before wholesale reversion. If there are still issues (especially with reliability), bring them up one by one; please don't revert again. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 15:32, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

text: For balance, sources, assuming they exist, could be cited to show that "Brazil cannot..." patsw (talk) 15:56, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

text: I was not impressed by the very first source.  Reaching Critical Will is an NGO that does some things well but in this case seems to have done an quick and dirty job of compiling and interpreting information.  It is not an academic or journalistic source and does not have a reputation as a reliable source for this type of information.  Saying Argentina and Brazil undertook an arms race in the 1970s is a case in point.  Neither had nuclear arms.  I propose to delete this source.  It is used to justify some facts that are undoubtedly correct, but it should be possible to find more reputable sources. NPguy (talk) 02:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

text: I've made some edits to fix some of the more obvious problems with the new text.  There are more.  Sometimes getting these things right requires actual knowledge and not just the ability to use Google. NPguy (talk) 03:19, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverts at Brazil and weapons of mass destruction 

message: #In September 1990, he symbolically closed a test site at Cachimbo, in Pará State. That October, he formally exposed the military's secret plan to develop an atom bomb. Within Brazil's Congress, a CPI looked into the Parallel Program. Members visited numerous facilities, including the Institute of Advanced Studies (Instituto de Estudos Avançados--IEAv) at the Aerospace Technical Center (Centro Técnico Aeroespacial--CTA) in São José dos Campos.
#In 1990, President Fernando Collor de Mello symbolically closed a test site at Cachimbo, in Pará and exposed the military’s secret plan to develop an nuclear weapon.[1] Brazil's National Congress looked into the Parallel Program.[2] Members visited numerous facilities, including the Institute of Advanced Studies (Instituto de Estudos Avançados - IEAv) at the Aerospace Technical Center (Centro Técnico Aeroespacial - CTA) in São José dos Campos.
1 (globalsecurity.org) -2 (the articel) gives: +September -President Fernando Collor de Mello -That October, he formally
This plagiarism. If anybody want the material in than rephrase it 100% or make it a quote!
I did not look in the rest of the article, but somebody should do so!
--18:47, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No it isn't plagiarism. The text you quoted was obviously rewritten to comply with WP:PLAG. Limongi (talk) 19:20, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: To leave out a word and make two sentences one is still plagiarism, sorry. You have to change more.--Stone (talk) 20:00, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism 

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