Talk:Insular art

message: Glad to see you have stubbed-up this. I wonder if the "Insular period" would not be better off as "Insular art". I've not seen it used in reference to a general historical period, as opposed to a period in art history. Obviously with Insular period as a redirect, but apart from anything it would save disam-ing more links. Crude google counts: "Insular art" = 10,600; "Insular period" = 267 - some talking about " The long insular period during the upper eocene and miocene times will, therefore, be the period of specific change in the moas, while the older pliocene ..." or the Ming dynasty, Tokugawa Japan, the Philippines etc, & the rest about manuscripts. I can see insular period is often used when just scripts are being discussed, but that can be covered in the lead para.  We don't have "Baroque period" etc articles.   Johnbod 14:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub

message: I've just read this page for the first time in a while, and I think that the editors, especially Johnbod have done a great job. I'd like to see some expansion of the legacy section. I think it is clear that Insular manuscripts had a major impact on Carolingian illumination. Despite the "Renaissance" aspects of Carolingian art, the Carolingians continued with the non-classical tradition of enlarged, decorated lettering for incipit pages an idea derived from the Insular manuscripts, even if the motifs used to decorate the manuscripts were not Insular. The Franco-Saxon school of the Carolingian period even uses the many of the same motifs. In addition, the Insular style in Ireland continued long after the "Insular period". For example, the image at the right is from a 12th century manuscript. (Firmly dated to 1138 by colophon in the hand of the scribe, I am currently working on an article for this manuscript, which should be up this week.) Dsmdgold 22:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the legacy section only went on yesterday, & the article is still work in progress.  You're very welcome to add if you fancy doing so. Johnbod 01:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Legacy

message: Among some other expansions, I'm going to be changing the 'Background' part of the section, which has some factual errors derived from a cultural misperception of early medieval english society. (Camarthist 14:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Background

message: The references I have included deal specifically with Iona and do not mention kells as a location. It would be misleading to the reader for the reference to include Kells and another reference should be used. Also there is no problem in having a link to Iona on the page as their is one to kells if you know of one. To edit the references to the end of the sentance implies that kells is included when it does not discuss this. Tabhara (talk) 13:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Dodwell is a standard specialist work by a leading art historian of the period. He discusses at some length all the various theories with references to the principal scholarly books involved - in fact he rather supports Iona. That is all we need or want in this article. Neither of your books seem by academic art historians. We have a Featured article Book of Kells which is the proper place for more detail, but you want to use more academic references than these. See WP:RS. References should always be placed after punctuation.  Johnbod (talk) 14:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Book of Kells Iona reference

message: Apart from the copyvio aspect, this definition from a very short entry on a large subject has other problems. As already quoted, Grove Art Online says "the style lingered in Ireland until c. 1000" and more detailed works, cited in the article, cover uses of the style in various areas up to the 12th century, and generally in areas wider than the core area given in the copyvio - everybody agrees the style was used in works produced in both Southern England, probably Canterbury (the "Tiberius group" or "Canterbury group" ) and various Hiberno-Scottish monastic sites on the Continent.  It is also rather old-fashioned to say it is used "mainly in the field of illuminated manuscripts", except insofar as the largest type of major surviving artworks are manuscripts - this was probably true forty years ago, but as Hicks points out, is no longer the case. The Grove entry devotes about equal space to manuscripts and metalwork, and a bit less to and sculpture.  All in all, I don't think the anonymous copyvio-d text is actually a very good summary - for a short entry available online Hicks is a good deal more accurate, and better reflects the far longer specialist works that form the bulk of the article's references.  Johnbod (talk) 02:59, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Accuracy

message: What are those names in reference whithout any book title?
Like Youngs or Ryan? Did I miss something or is it pure trolling?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.235.19.196 (talk) 14:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference in the main article 

message: Should I/insular be capitalised throughout?  I leave this to specialists. Wikiain (talk) 00:27, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it should, but some tedious editors don't ubderstand the term and keep decapitalizing it in places. 07:47, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I was one of those tedious editors, but have made amends and commented on the issue below.  —  AjaxSmack  12:01, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  I/insular 

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message: The article used to state:
Insular art, also known as Hiberno-Saxon art, was produced in the post-Roman history of Ireland and Britain.
That is at least slightly misleading given the mention of Britain (which could be interpreted in many ways) and the fact that it's wikilinked to Great Britain, since some of the art was produced at monasteries on small British islands such as Iona and Lindisfarne (i.e., not actually on the islands of Ireland and Great Britain), so I changed it to:
Insular art, also known as Hiberno-Saxon art, was produced during the post-Roman era of the British Isles and Ireland.
- I re-ordered to British Isles and Ireland because that's alphabetical order and so hopefully neutral. Geographically, Ireland is strictly speaking one of the British Isles but I'm aware that this is a potentially politically contentious point, so I've left the separate mentions in.
Michael F 1967 (talk) 15:07, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ireland and Great Britain 

message: For anyone's reference, here is a Google Ngram of the various capitalisations of "Insular art".  Most of the readily accessible sources for this article also capitalise "Insular", but not "art".  As noted above, "Insular" refers to the British Isles and not to islands in general.  —  AjaxSmack  11:58, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeedy! The cap is needed, as with "Impressionist", because any art that is felt to be "insular" in the more common sense, might be described as "insular art".  The ngram is pursuasive, but may very well have caught somes uses like that. Johnbod (talk) 12:50, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also fathom there are many false reading as well.  Google often has trouble differentiating similar letters like I and i.  —  AjaxSmack  01:59, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation