Talk:Irish phonology/Archive 1

message: An interesting start -- but I fear if the goal is to explain how Irish spelling relates to Irish pronunciation, the author will need Job's patience and Solomon's wisdom.  :-)  An interesting beginning, at any rate.  Smerdis of Tlön 16:26, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: older entries

message: I don't know about the patience of Job and the wisdom of Solomon; I'll make do with a Ph.D. in theoretical linguistics!
I've started moving my Irish linguistics page from http://www.ling.uni-potsdam.de/~green/gaeilge/gaeilge.htm (where I can no longer update it) to Wikipedia.  So don't worry about copyright infringements; this is *my own stuff* I'm copying from there and pasting in here!  --Angr 08:22, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starting to add content 

message: Is the Irish "r" equivalent to the English "r"?  The table says that it is an approximant, as opposed to a trill or a flap.  If that is so, shouldn't the symbol be ɹ? Waynem 21:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's a flap. I've fixed the table. --Angr (tɔk) 21:38, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alveolar approximants 

message: It seems that some words that should, according to the article have an aː are pronounced in English with an ɑː, ɒː, or ɔː (e.g. Gardaí, Tánaiste).  The words otherwise sound Irish (dental t and d, etc.)  Are these variations in Irish pronunciation or is this an English thing? (Watch RTÉ News for examples: ).
(This was also posted at Talk:Irish orthography)
-  AjaxSmack   01:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit of both.  and  are allophones of  in Irish (partially determined by position, partially by dialect), and English  as in "father" is often  in Hiberno-English anyway, so none of these sounds really contrast with each other in either language. Angr 04:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  Shouldn't that be in the article?  aː and ɑː aren't allophones in all varieties of English (e.g., South Midlands USA "line" [laːn] / "Lahn" [lɑːn] / "lawn" [lɔːn].) -  AjaxSmack   07:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By "either language" I meant either Irish or Hiberno-English. I suppose the allophones of  in Irish should be mentioned in the article. Angr 07:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understood you meant only Hiberno-English but not all Wikipedia readers know H-I.  I would add the allophones myself but don't have knowledge or sources to do so. -  AjaxSmack   19:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: aː vs. ɑː, ɒː, or ɔː

message: Not only does this pass, I feel like I just took a bath. Don't ask. PASS--Ling.Nut 05:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, thank you. First time anyone's said my writing had a cleansing effect on him, though. —Angr 06:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: ... why do I have to do all the work? ;-) —Angr 07:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, there - you did :) In my opinion this article is now FA quality. Haukur 21:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I guess I'd better nominate it then. We'll see what others think. —Angr 23:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:GA|Good Article]] Nomination PASS

message: The text says there is a long and a short open vowel in Irish,  //, //. The image for Connacht implies that the short one is realised to the front whereas the long one to the back. However, the Munster image says that there are two open vowels, one front and one back which can both appear long or short. What is the interpretation of that? Stefán 17:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In Connacht, the short one is realized as a front vowel and the long one is realized as a back vowel. In Munster, both the long and the short ones have both front and back allophones. I've replaced the Munster image to try to make that clearer. —Angr 18:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, it is much clearer now and the colourful vowel images are brilliant. Stefán 17:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open vowels 

message: Silim go bhfuil do ghrafanna dáthúla go deas!
Maith thú!
159.134.221.58 23:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go raibh maith agat! —Angr 11:14, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  grafanna dáthúla 

message: Chuir mé nasc nua le fuimeanna eile ón teangeolaí Lughaidh Ó hÉachartaigh/ Loig Cheveau.
They're better in quality to the others, so the might suit staying if you feel so too  159.134.220.189 20:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They look okay to me. —Angr 05:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My Irish name is Lughaidh Ó hEacháin, not Ó hÉachartaigh ! Thanks for adding the page I did in the links. By the way, where do these [bˠ], [fˠ] etc come from? As far as I know, there's no velarised bilabial consonant in Irish (it would sound very odd), only [bʷ], [ɸʷ], [mʷ]. There are many things I find very strange in this article. Lughaidh 01:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  external link sounds