Talk:HNoMS Helge Ingstad (F313)

message: It is really necessary with an article for each of these vessels? The contents of these articles are identical, and any difference between the ships are much better explained by saying exactly what the differences are.
The contents of these articles should be merged with Fridtjof Nansen class frigate, and this page should be converted into a redirect.
-- Egil 12:54, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

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message: * Descriptions common to Nansen-class frigates should be integrated with the  page.  For example the equipment and weapons etc.
* After a verdict in the trial has been reached (May 2023) all the trial minutia should be summarized
* We need a summary box that shows, according to investigation reports, what happened clearly and simply.
* Q: Do wikipedia airline accident pages have a template that is better suited to this page?
* Q: A couple of USN Arleigh-Burke destroyers also suffered collisions due to avoidable human error are their pages easier to follow?
Germsteel (talk) 07:08, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions for improvement

message: This was a complex situation with many involved parties and investigations and a case/s in court.  While it is very difficult to describe system failures this wikipage is bogged down in transcript like details.
Is there some way to summarize that a warship equipped with functioning radar and sensors, travelling at a rapid 18kts failed to get out of the way of an oil tanker?  Near its home port? Its own AIS was turned off and an inexperienced bridge crew failed to monitor and avoid the situation?
Germsteel (talk) 06:58, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Page needs simplification

message: If I read this link correctly, the ship has been scuttled and is now at the bottom of the fjord:
https://www.rt.com/news/450650-norway-ship-sink-torpedoes/?fbclid=IwAR0XDNfBDXNrXU8iJAdTVdm8qlidB57OCBoimPznSTLf76-ykGPVmz0P6rk
Axeman (talk) 23:49, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: A confusing source, but the ship was not scuttled, it was taken away.  Springnuts (talk) 18:08, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  It appears to have been scuttled 

message: Now available, on https://www.aibn.no/Marine/Published-reports/2019-08-eng?iid=27425&pid=SHT-Report-Attachments.Native-InnerFile-File&attach=1.   It covers causes and the events up to the collision. Springnuts (talk) 17:30, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final? report on the collision 

message: The article avoids mentioning at all costs that the crew was composed almost entirely by women, who were recruited for their sex instead of their skill.
It also avoids any mention of the audio record that shows that the accident happened because all the women got frozen in shock, not knowing how to act when the tanker told them to change their course, despite having plenty of time to avoid the accident.
It also avoids any mention that the only reason the ship sunk was that all the women fled like chickens instead of taking quick measures to stop the water entering the ship. As a result, the Norwegian Navy lost 3 Billion dollars in the dumbest publicity stunt ever.
And it is a shame that all of this very important information is purposefully omitted from the main article, because this means that this tragic accident will be repeated again. We truly live in the dark ages.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.58.30.189 (talk) 18:54, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feminist ship sunk by incompetence 

message: *What did the conning officer say in English, during the 8 minutes before the accident? (He was training an female U.S. Navy officer, at the time of the accident.)
*The language for the operations on the bridge, is Norwegian. (Do the sources say to what degree he was using English language on the bridge, in the 8 minutes before the accident.)
*Are there any sources that say that he ignored (his chores as a training officer while instructing) his trainee, during those first few minutes of the watch?
*Do any sources explain those things? 2001:2020:303:EBFB:7CBD:4CF:9015:6E09 (talk) 20:02, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Training of the U.S. Navy officer during the last 8 minutes before the accident 

message: * A verdict has been reached, an appeal has been filed
* For improved readability this section needs to be condensed down to a few sentences.
* If there is no objections I will do this in a while.
Germsteel (talk) 09:17, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Court Case Section

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