Talk:Comparison of portable media players

message: There's a fine line between Audible's codec (ACELP-DRM), and the m4b format. They're different. Besides... the US versions of Creative players:ZVM, Stone, and others support Audible. If you are free, please check whether it is the m4b format, or the codec. (Another proprietary format, .aa is from Audible and should be the ones that the ZEN players are compatible with.) --Jw21/PenaltyKillahdiscuss•editsGO'NUCKSGO!! 20:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you keep changing the formats table to say that ipods can play this mystery format of audible's when it says on the audible.com page that for ipods they just use fairplay-AAC? Undeaf 23:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? Then it should be AAC-DRM... Alright. --Jw21 20:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Audible formats... 

message: The iriver clix2 has just been released in the US. It would be nice if someone replace the info of the original iriver clix. Also, when the Zvue 260 arrives, remove the Zvue 250 sections and unhide the Zvue 260 ones. --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 01:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: that doesn't mean it'll be out in all markets, using ounces and inches is one thing, but removing a product the instant a newer one is out in the US is another Undeaf 02:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then what do you suggest, a delay of 2 to 3 months? --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 20:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure. Maybe at least until it's replaced in England, Australia and New Zealand. Or maybe just leave everything on, and fork off another article, "comparison of current generation PMPs" (having all redirects and such go to that article). Or just move ones that would be deleted to a new article about non current generation PMPs. Undeaf 20:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... I'm not comfortable with that idea. Who'd want to tab every player, discontinued and current? Anyway, I'll go add the specs for the clix2, but hide it. When you want to unhide it is your choice. --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 15:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not every single one, just a few to show how they've progressed. Like, ipods, zen touch, nomad jukebox, rio karma. Undeaf 23:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: But they're the old generations of current players. Why not create a sandbox, let's say User:Undeaf/Sandbox, and create your own table for these discontinued players? --Jw21/PenaltyKillahdiscuss•editsGO'NUCKSGO!! 15:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New releases coming 

message: To technical: output power (mA @ 16 ohms)
To technical or syncing: charging time
To syncing: third party software
To technical: battery size (mAh)
To technical: removable battery
To video formats or technical: video frame rate limit
To video formats: bitrate limit
To video formats: resolution limit
To general: file navigation, by tags or by folders 
To technical or general: expandability
Undeaf 22:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about EQ, gapless, 3d audio?  — 6etonyourfeet\t\c 22:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: EQ and gapless sound good, not sure what exactly 3d audio's supposed to be. Undeaf 23:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway, I suggest the new table to display what extra abilities (besides audio, photo, and video) can these players do. Like some can play games, some can record radio, some can display PDFs, some has Web access with WiFi, etc. etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jw21 (talk • contribs) 15:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed, I, for one, like to know about stuff like whether the battery is removable before I buy a device. I also have an extra suggestion, and I'm surprised that no one's mentioned this yet - standard USB connectivity.  All the players currently on the page are advertised as having USB 2.0 connectivity, but I'd guess that very few, if any, of them, use the *standard* USB connectors. The iPod and iriver, for example, use crazy proprietary connectors, rather than the proper USB (mini, micro, type A, and type B are all what I mean by the "proper" USB). S. Morrow 19:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Columns to add? 

message: Name                  	Line in	built in
microphone	external
microphone	tuner	radio
recording	recording in mp3	max recording bitrate	text viewer	PDF viewer	Games
Archos 404 camcorder  	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
Cowon D2              	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
Gigabeat S            	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
iAUDIO X5             	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
iPod 5.5G             	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
iriver clix           	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
Meizu M6 miniPlayer   	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
PlayStation Portable  	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
Sansa e200R series    	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
Walkman NW-A800 series	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
ZEN Vision:M          	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
ZEN Vision W          	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
Zune                  	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
ZVUE 250              	       			     		                	                     	           	          	
Undeaf 20:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New table: Input (What about Extras, or Other Abilities?)

message: How about adding a section for whether the device sorts files by id3 tags or by folders? Undeaf 14:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. But don't all players use id3? And what about videos? --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 01:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure how many do, but it's not all of them. But even if they do sort by tags, there could still be variation about whether they sort by genre in adition to artist and album, and whether they allow any options to sorting. Undeaf 20:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if they don't support id3, then... 1) They're not the latest player, and 2) They're not made by a major corporation, like those pirated ones. --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 23:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: iAudios browse by folders. Undeaf 23:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? The X5/Cowon D2? --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 05:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The X5 does, so does the trekstor vibez. The D2 appears to, the tech spec page mentions a folder limit. Undeaf 22:01, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, but add it under the hidden section (which I am going to restart.... its a bit messy. --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 23:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navigation/File organization 

message: Well, the Playsforsure/Janus can be combined very well, so does OpenMG/Sony Connect, WMDRM/Zune Marketplace, and FairPlay/iTunes Store. Then there's a prob with the Helix DRM and the Audible.com online store. --Jw21 aka PenaltyKillahtalk 17:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've fixed it! I'm probably going to further shrink that section in my upcoming Misc. section! --Jw21 aka PenaltyKillahtalk 17:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combine [[Comparison of portable media players#Digital Rights Management|DRM]] & [[Comparison of portable media players#Online Stores|Online Stores?]] 

message: So as to eliminate any confusion, I have changed the format of battery life to '4 or 5 hours' as opposed to '4/5 Hours'.  The change was made so that the article was not misread as four fifths of an hour. - Conor 18:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm... niet. Companies would always state their battery life as an estimate to .5 or .0, get it? No one reads 4/5 as fourth-fifths. At least, anyone I know. --Jw21 (PenaltyKillah) 09:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not change it to "4-5 hours", to distinguish the meaning "4 to 5 hours" from "4 hours in one model, 5 hours in another"? Undeaf 00:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aren't you contradicting yourself? "4/5 hours" mean "4 or 5 hours", which, in turn, means "Smaller capacity model can play 4 hours, while the bigger capacity model can play 5 hours." --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 01:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. I meant to distinguish the afformentioned meaning from the other one. In other words to distinguish 4-5 hours, meaning 4 to 5 hours, from 4 / 5 hours, meaning 4 hours in one case, 5 hours in another. Using a slash to mean "or" or "to" seems generally odd to me, except when it's used to mean "respectively".Undeaf 21:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed battery life format 

message: Why does someone keep changing the information on iPod to being able to play WMA files with a footnote?  Even if the files can be converted, the player itself cannot play the format.
:That's why it's at NO but with the reference that it can be converted to AAC via iTunes. --Jw21 (PenaltyKillah) 09:21, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The footnote should be removed, since there is free software available to convert nearly any format to any other format. Even ACC-DRM  can have its DRM removed (iTunes login required), and then be converted to any other common format. The only footnote that should stay is #31, on the Sansa. This is the only footnote on that table that indicates that the player can play the format without first converting the file to an acceptable format. The Archos should also keep the footnote, as this can be built into the player at time of purchase. Dalau2 14:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll see into that. Thanks to Apple Inc.'s freeing millions of songs from that nasty DRM, with new deals with EMI, a lot of info might be outdated. --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 13:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  iPod and WMA 

message: Should it really be treated as a positive attribute? Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 04:40, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this really the place to discuss? You can talk all you want about it at Talk:Digital rights management. --Jw21 (PenaltyKillah) 05:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant this as specifically in reference to the table, as it is highlighted in green. Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 20:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it is highlighted in green as: it is the colour for "Yes", and "Yes" means that the specific player can play that particular format, in your case, AAC-DRM or WMA-DRM. --Jw21 aka PenaltyKillahtalk 18:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DRM 

message: I was wondering if the dimensions and weights of each of the players could be changed to SI units? Juliuspret 04:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes... unfortunately some articles in Wikipedia is not suited for Americans, as the units are metric. You can type "1.23 inches to centimeters" on Google, for example, to get the conversion, or even "86 feet to kilometres". Go give it a try.--Jw21 (PenaltyKillah) 06:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It makes far more sense to have it in SI units, metric is preferred over inches in most the world and the approved international system should be observed (even if the USA don't go for it). Trixxy 09:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, even in Canada and Britain, we use pounds and inches to measure meat and mp3 players... --Jw21 aka PenaltyKillahtalk 16:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Im really hoping that all of you are joking... You can just put it in SI units and in imperial. You dont need to choose between them. What is the unit right now? it doesnt seem to have one. I could be mistaken, but I only see the numbers.PhorkPhace 03:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why the English Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org) should be divided to (us.wikipedia.org) and (uk.wikipedia.org). --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 03:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you serious? That would be using a hammer against a fly, with most topics there wouldn't even be these kinds of issues. Undeaf 21:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I know! Those articles with measurements would be separated into two. One with metric, one imperial. Or some wikicode should fix it. --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 15:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I think it should be in mm, but either way, the table needs to say what the unit of measurement is.Trixxy 23:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright. --Jw21 20:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even apple's US website lists the iPods in mm. I think the table should have both, I can't work with fractions of inches. Phiren 02:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Measurements 

message: Basically, the PSP can play audio through speakers. Why not add that in the audio-out column?
-- FoolFromHell 18:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Er... pay attention. --Jw21 aka PenaltyKillahtalk 16:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PSP's Speaker System 

message: Lets add a column for number of songs a device can hold along side the gigabyte value... Microsoft claims their product can hold 7000 songs pretty interesting...This could help out the n00bs who cannot visualize the importance.Getonyourfeet 02:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, these "estimations" can be varied, because of competitive purposes. Creative once listed its 4GB Zen V plus with a thousand songs, yet Apple advertised the 1G iPod shuffle with 500 songs. --Jw21 aka PenaltyKillahtalk 16:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The number would be way different for each format. Also, you could take a minute and a half song, and put it on your mp3 player (random number) 1000 times. If you used a 3 minute long song, it goes down to 500 songs. It would be better to just have the amount of hours each can hold for a common format, say mp3 because i would say just about all mp3 players play mp3 files (maybe they called it that for a reason...PhorkPhace 03:12, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a commercial service. As much as I acknowledge that Wikipedia is one of the world's most visited websites, Wikipedia is, primarily, a encyclopedia or reference and information. I understand that one of the  factors that the common folk use to buy MP3 players is to find out how many "songs" it can hold. Unfortunately, this article displays pure data, not a superficial denomination like "songs". Why not just follow this: 125 songs for 512MB, 250 songs for 1GB, 500 songs for 2GB, 1000 songs for 4GB, 2000 songs for 8GB, 3000 for 12GB, 5000 for 20GB, 7500 for 30GB, 10,000 songs for 40GB, 15,000 for 60GB, 20,000 songs for 80GB, 25,000 for 100GB, 30,000 for 120GB, 35,000 for 140GB, 37,500 for 150GB, 40,000 for 160GB, and finally, 50,000 songs for a player with 200GB. Basically, it's not information for a player, it is information for a specific storage capacity.--Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 03:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding number of songs held for each device

message: support for DRM'd WMA and AAC files is listed under music stores and under DRM, how about removing it from the audio formats section? It's getting pretty cluttered.Undeaf 18:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. They are an audio format. The bottom two sections are to specify which online service/whatever that Microsoft/Apple/Sony/some-big-company impose on. --Jw21 aka PenaltyKillahtalk 18:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DRM file types listed redundantly 

message: Calling it OGG formats implies that it also supports FLAC and speex, iriver clix does not support FLAC and I don't think any PMP supports speex. Undeaf 20:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's rare that a player would support ogg formats, let alone one specific format. In your case, add a note stating that the player cannot play speex, or FLAC (where "Yes" would've been, not Reference). --Jw21 aka PenaltyKillahtalk 18:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: vorbis support isn't that rare, iAudios, irivers and Meizus have it, so do insignia players and Rockbox, and FLAC support isn't really either, it's ALAC and WMAL that are just atrac3 style formats being pushed by Apple or toshiba/microsoft, and ms isn't even supporting theirs anymore. Undeaf 20:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, and lossless formats aren't like lossy formats because you can convert back and forth between them without the same issues.Undeaf 21:54, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I think similar formats should be in one column, for space's sake, and several players might support all of them. And it's open-source, which isn't that much used in the mainstream. --Jw21 20:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, I agree that Vorbis and Flac are fairly common. Please do change this from Ogg to Vorbis—that's what about every PPM (if not every one) means by Ogg, anyway. Ogg is just a container format—it's not even a codec. It's like saying your player supports AVI—that doesn't tell us anything, really. The audio codecs that may go in it are Vorbis, Flac and Speex. You should also know that Ogg isn't just for containing audio—it's for video, too. To compound things further, you can even use Ogm, which is almost the same thing as Ogg (and often thought to be the same thing entirely) to hold just about any codec (including MP3 or whatever). At least make a footnote that says you mean Vorbis by Ogg. —98.202.77.78 (talk) 08:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Please make a separate section for Speex (spx is the extension). I don't care if no known players support it, yet. It's an important codec with a lot of potential, as it provides about the smallest files you could hope for, for the spoken word; it has some quite unique capabilities that should impact portable media players considerably in the future (especially as far as audio books are concerned). It needs it's own section, just like Flac (and Vorbis does too, for that matter). If nothing else, adding it will allow people to see that it's not supported yet, and maybe some enterprising young company will start! —98.202.77.78 (talk) 08:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Also, I might recommend making a reference to the RockBox firmware and which players it can be added to. I know it can play Speex, as well as just about any other non-DRM format. It can go on a lot of popular players. So, it's not true that Speex isn't at all supported. —98.202.77.78 (talk) 09:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  OGG formats should be changed to OGG vorbis 

message: Froogle turns up plenty of 1gb and 2gb meizu miniplayers Undeaf 01:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Commercially advertised by the company. Just like there are still 1GB iPod nanos selling in Ebay and Amazon.com, but they are not listed. --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 20:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: D-pad is the short form of Directional pad. So it can be used for any kind of pad that goes four ways. It doesn't just limit to Game Boys and consoles. That's why the iPod doesn't have a "d-pad" but the iriver clix does. --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 20:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But it doesn't have any sort of pad. It has a set of three buttons, with six functions, among which directional functions are spread out in a WASD-like manner. Undeaf 22:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but four of those 'half-buttons' they still go four ways, not matter it is 6 of those embedded in 3. Or maybe we should change the name "D-pad" to "Directional navigation" or something? --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 05:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Alright... it's now in N/A, as it doesn't have internal memory. SD cards are technically MSC. --Jw21 20:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Details 

message: According to Sansa they say "Sansa MP3 player", and they show a sansa e270.  However, according to wikipedia you cannot draw synthesis unless it is published and statements/data with unpublished synthesis shouldn't belong.  Vista supports natively MTP which should support every MTP device but possibly not the Zune because it's protocol requires authentication process according to libmtp who implement the basics of MTP protocol.  I myself would flag every MTP device with vista with yes, but again, Wikipedia's policy is stupid.  Because it is a Sansa e270... would this apply to Sansa e200r series? — 6etonyourfeet\t\c 06:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: e270 -> Model name of the Sansa e200 series. All Sansa e200 models (e250 to e280 (from 2-8GB) have a duplicate with Rhapsody support. So it would apply. It's the same player, but a slightly enhanced firmware. --Jw21/PenaltyKillahtalkGO'NUCKSGO!! 00:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sansa MTP and vista MTP 

message: I noticed that Archos has a whole bunch of portable video players out now (at least 5 or 6); I believe the 404 (listed in this comparison table) was one of the earliest.  Should each of the new ones have its own row now? they do seem to have different specs. See here for them.  I may just go ahead and add some of the specs in the meantime (they can always be reverted if they're unwelcome). -Elizabennet | talk 21:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We've included two of them, and like those two, the 604 and 604 wifi probably should share a line for the sake of neatness if they were included, and the 504 looks like a 604 with a 2.5" hard drive. The 704 seems to really be pushing the definition of portability, it seems to be more like a tablet PC than a PMP. Undeaf 03:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A common misconception is that Archos released the '04' series of players by their numbers, literally. In fact, the 104 and 204 (rebranded Gmini players) came after the 504, and the 404 just came out last year. Anyway, if you're going to add the 504 or 604, keep them separate. There's just too many differences, even though they look the same at first glance. (Touchscreen, built-in speaker, WiFi for 604) And I think the 704 WiFi deserves a different name in 'Player type'... how about Mega PMPs (is Mega the opposite of Micro), or Tablet-PC Contempoary? --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 23:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More players 

message: Do we want to add links to Vongo, Unbox, or some of the other services?  Just wondering if those are popular/selective in usefulness.  -Elizabennet | talk 21:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a touchy subject... really. Some online services are compatitble with virtually all players, as they do not have external memory, or a need for software. In fact, I think the title needs to be changed, as it's quite misleading. --Jw21 20:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More online services? 

message: The Zune can actually play DivX files that have been disguised as .wmv files. There has since been a registry hack to allow the Zune to accept and play .avi files. I'm not sure why M$ didn't just initially add support for .avi files, being as popular of format that it is. Obligatory link to source. . Unchain 16:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... that seems all fine and well. Btw, are you, or related to, (or a sock puppet) to Undeaf, or is it just a coincidence? --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 23:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that would be a coincidence. I've been using the handle "Unchain" for over five years. Unchain 22:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zune DivX 

message: Can anyone add details about the Transcend T.sonic here?
--Rsrikanth05 08:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh... yeah, if it's notable. I see you're a really big fan of the player. I'll do it for you when I have time to go fact-hunting. --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 19:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

text: WP:NOTE. --PenaltyKillahJw21 20:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Transcend T.sonic]] 

message: Please also include the Pontis MX2020, one of the cheapest PMP's around.
Also note that it runs on Linux. See Pontis MX2020 for details  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.186.7 (talk) 16:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Read WP:NOTE first. That is why most Chinese MP4 players are not accepted (though the Meizu one got significant attention from the press and media), that player was released two years ago and may not be the latest, and besides, that player doesn't have a Wikipedia article. In short, the Pontis MX2020 is notable... not.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jw21 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dude, these guys are not going to add the Pontis, for the same reason they refused the T.sonic, very few Non-Apple or Non-American products are accepted.
--Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Did I specify non-Apple or non-American products? No. Only products with 1), their own articles or section in an article, and 2), it is notable. Read WP:NOTE first to discover why the Nokia N93 has an article but not the Sony Ericsson V600i. Products which have been consistently present in the blogosphere, for example, deserves an article. So does those which have been featured in news articles or shows on TV. That's why the iriver clix gets an article but not the Epson P-3000. --Jw21/PenaltyKillah VANucks|16-10-3 17:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pontis MX2020 

message: Are there any objections to including the iPhone in the list next to the iPods (or maybe grouped with the iPod touch)? Somebody mentioned that only devices marketed as primarily a portable media player should be included, and the iPhone fits that bill: it is a combination between a mobile phone, internet browser, and iPod. Although the device's name obviously puts a bias favoring its functionality as a phone, media playing is still one of its (three) primary functions.
SchighSchagh (talk) 14:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that depends. I'll need some more responses from the community first. --Jw21/PenaltyKillah VANucks|21-13-4 23:07, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  iPhone 

message: Now, I'll confess... in the Comparison of portable media players article, one which I regularly check and contribute, I had to use invented terms for the player type column. So an iPod classic is a "HDD DAP contempoary". Yes, it's a PMP, but because it evolved from the first-generation iPod, a hard drive DAP with a low capacity BUT about the same form and size as the iPod classic. Same goes with the Sansa e200R series, a "Flash DAP contemporary" - Sansa e100 series was, back than, a flash DAP. There are some which didn't fit into those two categories, as they have no deep roots, and they're not that controls-centered. like the iriver clix, which was described as a "Micro-sized PMP". Back then, players with screens that actually took up most of the dimensions were regarded as true PMPs, so I gave players like the Archos 604 WiFi (now Archos 605 WiFi) the name "Portable media player" (now renamed to "Mid-sized PMP").
During a Google search, I found... this. Yes! All info from this article right down to the "Flash DAP contempoary" thingy! Well, I don't think it's much of a coincidence. Besides, it's not as if some major news media used the term. Still, it was quite exhilarating. And by the way, there is no such player as the "YP-29". Maybe it was a typo and they may have meant YP-T9. --Jw21/PenaltyKillah VANucks|24-16-4 21:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Trust me, Wikipedia has lost its touch. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  And a random Australian site is proof, eh? --Jw21/PenaltyKillah 14:22, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Which random Australian site are you talking about? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 06:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  This. --Jw21/PenaltyKillahCANUCKLEHEAD? 16:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A proof that Wikipedia can actually impact the world? 

message: Yes, it's a PMP.  Why revert? --ClariT (talk) 01:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Every other modern camera IS a PMP, come to think of it... but this one focuses on consumer devices that are classified as that in retail. --PenaltyKillahJw21 20:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samsung camera/PMP reverted!? 

message: The Sandisk Clip is not mentioned on this list, but I think it has a large enough following to merit a place. What do you think? Killamator (talk) 21:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Portable media player, it is not. Maybe a spin-off Comparison of digital audio players needs to be created. I will be updating the page with SanDisk's recent PMPs, as well as others. Thanks for your suggestion. --PenaltyKillahJw21 21:39, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sandisk Clip? 

message: The table at the bottoms lists a bunch of player that have a microphone but do not do audio recording. What goes? What else is the mic used for? I think that this needs to be corrected. Roger (talk) 17:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Audio recording

message: Firmware from different players, from different manufactures cannot be compared.
82.25.130.155 (talk) 13:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove Firmware Version

message: I'd like to see the MobiBLU DAH-1500i added, ...but dang, those tables can be intimidating.  I'm concerned I might get some of the information wrong.  I'll try it later (and hope I don't screw anything up), but until then it remains unlisted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.254.82.208 (talk) 12:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add [[MobiBLU DAH-1500i]]? 

message: The General section refers only to the nano 4G while the Technical Specifications section refers only to the nano 5G. If it is to compare all versions of the nano, then other generations should be included. If it is to compare only for-sale versions of the nano, then the General section should be updated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex20850 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Section vs Technical Section for ipod nano 

message: The list about "extra features" seems to be missleading. Previously ipods are divided between Ipod nano, ipod classic, ipod touch etc, in this table however there is only an entry for "ipod", and for example the Ipod Touch does not have FM radio. That should be cleared up. Second another table suggest that the Ipod Touch has Bluetooth, which is true, but it is also very limited and is not, what I would call, a true bluetooth device as you cannot transfer files between it and other bluetooth devices (you can with some applications and some devices, but not freely, for example not with my phone). I think this could be clarified.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.16.73.46 (talk) 18:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ipod does not have FM radio 

message: I think someone should add which markets each device is available in.  If someone from the US was comparing portable media players, it might be convenient for them to know which devices were available in their country.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.22.234.80 (talk) 05:15, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What markets are the devices available in? 

message: I noticed that as soon as you sort the table, it breaks, completely and utterly. Has this been like this for a while, or was it a recent mistake? Either way, I haven't the expertise or confidence to fix it (sorry, I'm just an observant novice). Please, if anyone has the time, this is a vital component of the page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.40.219 (talk) 12:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  fragmentation. 

message: Many people coming to the page are only interested in comparing current players to decide which to use. However, because all of the comparison tables are multiple screens long and compare every player that has ever existed, they find the page to be mostly useless. We need a way to show only current information for those who want it, in order to increase utility. A method for allowing the viewer to sort information and suppress what they don't need would also be good.
This is a general comment applicable to all comparison articles.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.142.206.28 (talk) 22:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern Player Only Option

message: This article lists mainly players from 2007 and is obsolete in large parts. I can see little use in a comparison of select devices which you cannot buy anymore. Proposals: (1) update the article; (2) move article to Comparison of portable media players (2007). --Ahellwig (talk) 08:46, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obsolete 

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message: I can’t find that (for me crucial) information: What devices allow me to just drag and drop my music files from/to the standard file browser of my USB computer?
It seems that it could be the MSC column but for instance I know that Apple devices don’t allow that but the cells are green, so I guess it’s a missing information. → Tristan ♡ (talk) 09:23, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  No software needed (drag and drop) to transfer