Talk:Eleanor Roosevelt/Archive 2

message: Eleanor Roosevelt was NOT the first honorary member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc.  I made the correction. Avid reader 03:36, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Honorary Sorority Member

message: So, is it "Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission" or "Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent"? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 01:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A quote 

message: It should be emphasized that the Human Rights Prize is less prestigious than is the Nobel Prize. Also, 78 years of age is not old at all and should be noted that many productive years were taken away from Eleanor Roosevelt when she passed away at 78 years old in 1962. 11:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age and Prize 

message: Footnoted it and will add some pics of Sara Delano Roosevelt who was one tough woman. SimonATL 03:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More info on her relationship with her mother-in-law

message: Many of us have wanted to do this. I've added some using the latest wiki technology. Take a look at how its done. You don't even have to worry about numbering, wikipedia does it for you. Won't this help to make this article more objective?SimonATL 03:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Let's start footnoting

message: Even her cousin Alice Longworth came to Eleanor's rescue stating loudly in a fashionable restaurant one day, "I don't care what they say. I simply cannot believe that Eleanor Roosevelt is a lesbian." 
"came to Eleanor's rescue"?  I don't care what you believe, that's a rediculously biased way of putting that.  and I don't have a degree, but do I need one to say that ones family is very rarely involved in ones sex life?  the validity of this claim aside, I'm editing the wording of that to something less POV.
--Feralnostalgia 16:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  excuse me? 

message: A few questions: 
* I see a lot of the text of the main article has references to "Eleanor" throughout. Most articles about people will reference their last name (ie, for Joe Smith, reference would say "Smith invented the dustball...."). Has the first-name reference been used to avoid confusion with FDR or her uncle? 
* Also, does anyone have any issue with older posts to this talk page being archived? It's getting awfully long. NickBurns 19:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just some thoughts 

message: Seems to that that Roosevelt's position on the Equal Rights Amendment changed over time; am I wrong? Anyway, I'm not sure that "but opposed the ERA" is the right language -- it implies her positions were contradictory, but was there otherwise no overlap between first wave feminism and the progressive/New Deal worries that newly gained workplace (and other) protections would be reduced? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 16:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: she always opposed ERA and was quite articulate about it. That has to be included. Rjensen 07:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have, however, found a couple of indirect sources claiming she dropped her opposition to the ERA in the last couple years of her life. Clearest is, Perhaps most startling, she dropped her four-decade opposition to the Equal Rights Amendment, arguing that “law, custom, and the forgetfulness of men” kept women out of many jobs they sought, and telling the Lucy Stone League that she no longer believed the ERA would undermine the women’s safety at work since they could join unions and “there was no reason why you shouldn’t have [the ERA] if you want it.” I wish I had the source for that quote -- the article doesn't provide it. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 15:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: for many decades she was the #1 spokeswoman against ERA. If she did a 180 degree turn, i'm amazed so few people heard of it Rjensen 15:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too! But it doesn't mean it's not true -- the ERA wasn't getting a lot of press in 1960-1962 anyway. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 15:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Here's what her biographer says: from Lois Scharf in The Eleanor Roosevelt Encyclopedia 2001. pp 164-5: In 1951 "the president of the NWP wrote her for explicit support of the ERA. She responded in curt, noncommitted fashion. “While I am not going to fight the Equal Rights Amendment, I really do not feel enthusiastic enough about it to write you a letter in its favor” (Scharf, 246). For the remaining decade of her life, her ambivalence persisted.... Kennedy’s undersecretary of labor, Esther Peterson, who was a former union official and an adamant foe of the ERA, suggested the creation of the President’s Commission on the Status of Women to study these issues. Kennedy asked ER to chair the commission. ER died before the commission issued its final report. It was a massive study that, in summary, restated the decades-old stance that female equality was best achieved by recognition of gender differences and need. ER would undoubtedly have agreed with these findings, made public in 1963....  ER took firm, outspoken positions on numerous controversial issues involving race and class, which lent them credibility. A constitutional amendment addressing gender was not among them. It would be unfair, however, to overlook ER’s concern for difficulties and discrimination faced by American women because of her inaction on behalf of the ERA. Unlike egalitarian feminists, her concept of woman’s rights did not include the blanket amendment. One must look in other directions to discover her contributions to the advancement of American women." (quoting Scharf) Rjensen 16:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equal Rights Amendment