Talk:Warhawk (2007 video game)

message: (NEEDS TO BE CONFIRMED AND CITED BEFORE ADDED BACK TO MAIN ARTICLE)
According to the message, Incognito took several losses starting eight months ago. In one instance, 12-15 people supposedly jumped ship to another development studio when Scott Campbell and David Jaffe formed Eat, Sleep, Play. Soon after, around 30 people moved to Salt Lake City's Disney Studio.
As of today, only Dylan Jobe, Bruce Woodward, Evan Christiansen, Lars Devore, John Crocker, and Nate Robins are left to maintain Warhawk. Three of them are programmers and two are animators. The man who was supposed to be the lead network programmer, Kirk Baum, left one week before the game went gold.
"About a year ago there were close to 70 employees there," stated the supposed message from the former Incognito person. Having only six people to work on a gigantic online game sounds like a feasible excuse for network problems, but without further confirmation, we'll have to tag this under rumor.
Some network issues in Warhawk are yet to be fixed, but the folks from Incognito Entertainment are hard at work in hunting down all the bugs... They could use some slack though, as word has it that only six people are currently working for the company. A poster from NeoGAF forums claims he received a private message (PM) from a former Incognito employee who shed light on what's going on behind Warhawk's battlelines.
:Sorry, but we are not fans here - we are an online encyclopedia. We have no slack. This also means we aren't going to to roast them ove the fire, either. Someone should confirm that 6 people are working on it, and please, please, please do not use or formulate statments basd on forums. People lie like rugs there, jus to make themselves feel all important and involved. As well, we cannot cite from forums or blogs and whatnot, unless it is the confirmed blog of the owner or developer. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 14:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incognito Company Problems 

message: I'm quickfailing this article this article for good article-ship, as it's a stub for an unreleased video game coming out in 10 days.  Please read the criteria for GA again before nominating this or any other article.  --PresN 00:04, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GAC 

message: The headset that came with my game is the 135, not the 125...? Did other places(im in Ireland) get other models? John.n-irl 00:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: People in America got the 125. -- Vdub49 02:15, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headset 

message: With a quick glance over the article, there are a few things that need to be fixed or the article will be quick-failed. None of the images have fair use rationales stating the rationale for using the images in the article. Look to similar GA/FAs for examples. Additionally, the images generally do not have any sources and it is likely that the article includes too many non-free images within the article. Consider removing some and addressing the source/FU issues. The lead should also be expanded more to better summarize the article, see WP:LEAD for more assistance. It would also be benefical if the incline citations used the templates at WP:CITET which would add the aruthor, access date, etc. Address these issues soon, as the reviewing editor can quick-fail the article over these issues. Let me know if you have any questions on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 07:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA comment

message: Upon its review on October 21, 2007, this good article nomination was quick-failed because it:
::contains cleanup banners including, but not limited to, , , , , etc, or large numbers of , , , or similar tags
thus making it ineligible for good article consideration.
This article did not receive a thorough review, and may not meet other parts of the good article criteria.  Tags have been there for a few days, and the article has been edited a lot since then - yet the tags remain I encourage you to remedy this problem (and any others) and resubmit it for consideration.  If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to have it reassessed.  Thank you for your work so far.— Cheers, CP 18:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed "good article" nomination

message: I am glad to report that this article nomination for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of October 21, 2007, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: Pass
:2. Factually accurate?: Pass
:3. Broad in coverage?: Pass
:4. Neutral point of view?: Pass
:5. Article stability? 
:6. Images?: Pass
An excellent article.  Very well written, no cleanup tags, and a NPOV kept throughout.  Good job!  If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to Good article reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations.</div>— Ejg930 01:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Successful [[Wikipedia:Good articles|good article]] nomination

message: Ouch. Though it pains me to do so, I'm going to un-GA this article. It's no so much that this article has become far worse in the space of two weeks, but there were and are numerous problems with this article which mean it should've been failed on sight. Let's look at the GA criteria and what needs doing:
:1. Well written?: Fail
:*Lead needs expansion per WP:LS - summarise the whole article in 2-4 paragraphs.
:*All one- and two-sentence paragraphs should be merged. A large number of short paragraphs don't make for smooth reading.
:*Network issues section should be a subsection of Reception, not of Development.
:*Too many lists. Most of these lists can just be deleted as they don't have any encyclopedic value, but if not then convert the lists to regular paragraphed prose. Aside from anything else, it looks and reads much better.
:2. Factually accurate?: Fail
:*Vast swathes of text are unsourced. Everything should be sourced with reliable sources.
:3. Broad in coverage?: Fail
:*The Gameplay section is too game guide-esque. There's no need for an encyclopedia article to describe each type of turret and what it does. A good guideline for writing this section is to only include information which will be useful to someone who doesn't play the game.
:*The Updates/Expansion section violates WP:NOT#INFO - this information is more suited to a fansite or game guide, no an encyclopedia article. You could summarise all the information in two or three paragraphs in the Development section. There's no need to do include any more than the following:
::*Release dates for the patches and summarising their content. Example: "Patches 1.1 and 1.2 were released on 19 October 2007 and 22 October 2007 respectively, fixing numerous exploits and stability issues."
::*Arbiters can be summarised in a couple of sentences, just say when and what. No need for excessive and unnecessary quoting.
::*An expansion pack was released on [date] at a price of GBP 3.99, USD 7.99 and EUR 5.99. It includes a new map and a new vehicle.
:*The Reception section doesn't go into enough detail - see below for more on this.
:*The list of network issues in the Development section should go, for the reasons given above.
:4. Neutral point of view?: Fail
:*There's a [opinion needs balancing] tag in the Reception section. Rather than opening with "So far, the game has received very positive reviews with the exception of PSM." (currently unsourced) you could open with "The game generally received positive/negative reviews, with an aggregate score of xx/100 from Metacritic and xx/100 from GameRankings." which is easy to source.
:*The reception section also doesn't go into enough detail: it gives different review scores and brief comments, but never actually says what is was about the game which meant it attained those scores. Have a look at the Reception sections at WP:VG#Example articles to get an idea of what to include.
:5. Article stability? 
:6. Images?: Pass, though the article could do with a few more images. If you do insert a few more, remember to ensure each one shows some different aspect of the game, else it might violate fair use.
So, this is still Start-Class. Address all these points and you should have a GA-class article. If you have any queries don't hesitate to ask. Hope this helps, Una LagunaTalk 22:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:VG]] assessment

message: This should be added as version 1.3, Coming out on March 20
Woops, i think i broke it, sorry
: I have only been able to find speculation that it has to do with v1.3, so I think it should just stick with O:BM. I also fixed the table for you. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I cant find a link for the Operation: Broken Mirror name, the site originally reporting it has since pulled the page (play3-live). Everything on this seems to be from forums. John.n-irl (talk) 01:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree that it is true, but not that it is the same thing as v1.3. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont think it should be included in the article because we have no source. And you cant assume its true based on timing, they gave plenty of notice about Omega Dawn. John.n-irl (talk) 01:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Gl != Glaciers, and the blog is just a random section of the article with a pic of the bio-field generator, two guys and some info on Home integration. The Kotaku source is also not a valid one as there is no info in the pic except a map(which would appear to be from the single player campaign as it is not symmetrical like all the others), and any info that may have been in that article was blurred out from the pics. If i missed something feel free to correct me. john.n-irl (talk) 03:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

text: You can't be serious, the map could have been made at any time, its not hard to open the image up when the developers new the pic was going to be taken. john.n-irl (talk) 21:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Who said he was working on it, it was just on the screen. I know where your coming from, but its not a reliable source. Especially for the Glacier part, thats based on the first two letters..I agree its  the most likely but its just not enough for the site. We have to wait untill there is an official announcement. And that Kotaku picture is quite old anyway. john.n-irl (talk) 12:26, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Err...no not really. Is that map confirmed yet as the new one anyway? Apparently you are unfamiliar with how encyclopedias work, its not the most likely. Its what is confirmed, feel free to read  this and  this. Also if you type colon before your comments its easier to follow talk pages. Enjoyed editing with ya. :) john.n-irl (talk) 16:10, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

text: As far as I'm aware, wikipedia doesnt do placeholders, also that article is not a source for the 15th, it doesnt say it. And still no source for "vaporfield glaciers". Im not trying to annoy ya mate, but without a source its not really for the article john.n-irl (talk) 23:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: That is alot of exclamation marks... :) I know about the server list, i read the blog post too. However reading between the lines(literally and figuratively) just wont do as a source for an article. While I believe you are correct, I do not believe it should be in the article. There is no need to jump the gun about this, as you said "[stuff]has been announced right after i say it", why not wait untill its announced. Better correct than early. And if you are implying you have some "insider" knowledge about Warhawk, your into the realm of  original research. john.n-irl (talk) 03:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Hey mate, your edits on talk pages are starting to get a bit dodgy(Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks), both here and on other pages. Tone it down please. And its not that i dis-believe you, just we have no source. john.n-irl (talk) 12:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Operation: Broken Mirror and 1.3 

message: I think I messed up the references, I tried to add two references and whoever helps me dont get rid of the websites but just assist me in what i did wrong, Sorry! Jonapello22 (talk) 22:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it. You are supposed to have in-text citations as I did. If I incorrectly cited anything, please change it. I'm not sure where you got the new ship or free expansion though... MrKIA11 (talk) 23:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I didn't. From what I could tell, the kotaku website was only being used to show the picture, so it is linked in the description of O:BM, and his blog is ref #7. The page automatically orders the refs in order that they appear on the page. MrKIA11 (talk) 21:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: I need help with references

message: I am currently re-writing this section, it is currently a bit too un-encyclopedic(as the tag indicates). However this will require the removal of large amounts of info. For example i do not feel it is necessary to say "Separate SIXAXIS motion control on/off per mode (ground, hover, flight)", this will probably need more work after but hopefully its a start. john.n-irl (talk) 08:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The edits I have made are based upon similar articles which have received featured status. Particularly the Halo articles. I have also removed the relevance tag. john.n-irl (talk) 09:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Updates/Expansions rewrite

message: The gameplay section needs some work, however I cant see how to include stuff such as the info on the game engine without it standing out(as it does now). john.n-irl (talk) 18:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gameplay 

message: #Well written?: Pass — The article has been greatly improved and meets the standards for GA .
#Factually accurate?: Pass — Additional sources and citations have been added.
#Broad in coverage?: Pass — The normal and necessary aspects of a video article are covered.
#Neutral point of view?: Pass — Does not appear to be pushing a particular point of view
#Article stability? Pass — There do not appear to be any edit wars or excessive amounts of changes/updates.
#Images?: Pass — All images have a suitable fair use rationale. But the images are not properly staggered throughout the article
;Comments
Excellent job cleaning up the article editors. Keep up the good work. Here are some general suggestions to further improve the article to help maintain its GA status or to get it to FA.
*The article could use some copy editing for grammar and flow. The writing in it is much better now, but not quite FA quality. WP:FAC has been a much more strict about the quality of writing and some article have failed because of this.
*A peer review could be of great help. A peer review can be done at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Peer review and/or Wikipedia:Peer review.
*I would expand the reception section more with sales figures, additional awards, and comments about specific aspects of the game; graphics, audio, etc.
*Find more reliable sources and cite everything. It will only strengthen the article.
If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review (Guyinblack25 talk 00:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Pass

message: I am going to archive some of the older discussions on this talk page, and since there has been no archive previously I am going to mention it here first to see ifa nyone has any objection or comments and to reach a consensus on timing. I was thinking of anything over two months, and since the article just reached GA I was thinking of keeping the old GA sections so as to allow for anyone reviewing the nomination to easily see where its coming from, they could be archived at a later date. John.n-irl (talk) 17:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: Because trophies are rumored to come out in June sometime around june 12 which is the date of MGS4 we should add the section to the page.
http://sev1512.wordpress.com/2008/05/18/insider-exclusive-information-about-240-and-beyond/
http://n4g.com/ps3/News-146904.aspx
http://www.psu.com/[UPDATED]-PlayStation-trophies-to-hit-in-June--a0003642-p0.php
Just saying....
Jonapello22 (talk) 02:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If they are released for Warhawk, we should mention that it has been updated but not list available trophies. John.n-IRL 09:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Also, all of those links seem to fail wp:rs, since two are user submitted and psu is based on a thread... John.n-IRL 09:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

text: we're going to have to wait for them to come up or an official press release--Playstationdude (talk) 22:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Its the err...exact same story, citing the same "sources". John.n-IRL 22:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Trophies

message: I think that the Warhawk patches should be organized into a table similar to the one in the PS3 system software article. The article is currently cluttered and it is difficult to get to the information quickly. The expansion packs can be left inside the paragraph but the updates should really be included into their own section (I'd recommend a table organization, but that's not important, just the ease with which information can be found in the article is what matters).  I am not yet too familiar with wikipedia tables so if someone else more skilled than me here could please step in to create said table. Hopefully, I can get the hang of it quickly so I can do it before someone else.A. Rafey (talk) 05:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chart/Table for Warhawk Patches 

message: I'd like to suggest reassessment for this article, as I don't think it is up to the standard of a Good Article. I have removed the incredibly long and unencyclopedic game-guide-like Weapons section, and made the game launching section into a sub-section. A number of unreferenced statements have been added since it passed its nomination (diff). The reception section is small, and though most of the prose is referenced the table of review scores is not. Some of the prose feels a little unfocused or not particularly concise, such as in the update/expansion section, drifting into technical details of the updates without giving a clear overview, or adding very specific in-game detail in parenthesis in the gameplay section without first giving a clear overview of the game. SynergyBlades (talk) 17:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Reassessment? 

message: This section is written like a review and not like an encyclopedia. 72.192.55.156 (talk) 20:04, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Game Launching" segment 

message: http://www.gamegrep.com/news/19615-new_trademark_made_by_sony_starhawk_sounds_familiar_doesnt_it/
http://kotaku.com/5176896/warhawk-in-spaaaaaace
None of it seems to be confirmed, except for the starhawk trademark by Sony as far as I've read. That could mean possible sequel, or another possible expansion. Though if a title called starhawk is released, it may have absolutely nothing to do with Warhawk... the similarity in name choice says other wise though.
Anyway, Is it worth mentioning in the main article?
- 99.249.102.39 (talk) 18:22, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible sequel 

message: I know what it is like to play a game and add in all the details, but seriously as somewhat older now I have come back to this article after years and think it needs a reassessment. It is not very well written and sections are all over the place or incomplete. Fans may continue to add in unneeded details and without regular maintenance it may slip.  JTBX (talk) 05:33, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reassessment fo GA status 

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