Talk:Polish Biographical Dictionary

message: :The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no consensus, leaning on move. —Nightstallion (?) 13:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Prior discussion regarding page move

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:I find it amusing that one of the main arguments against the move is that it is some sinister plan by a Polish cabal. But unfortunately I find there are also some disturbing arguments, ones that certainly merit further discussion. I'd ask Francis to provide proof for the following statements:
:that I or other members of the Polish cabal (who are we, by the way) have been going over articles and replacing Polish Biographical Dictionary with Polski Słownik Biograficzny on many wikipedia articles. Such a statement, putting in doubt others integrity of editors, and between the lines accusing them of preparing evidence to create a false argument to influence the vote, is a serious accusation and should be referenced, or apologized for if it is found untrue.
:that "It has been amply demonstrated by [Francis] that the English version "Polish Biographical Dictionary" is commonly used in *external sources* to refer to this multivolume dictionary". Francis directs us here to the archieve. I have looked through it again and I can find only two posts by him, none of which presents any claims other then this sentence: "Note that I found external references referring to this multi-volume dictionary by the English name according to the present page name. 'The "English name"". If this is what Francis means by It has been amply demonstrated..." then I wonder if this is supposed to be some kind of a joke?
:As for Elonka, I'd like to as her too to back her statement that " The name "Polish Biographical Dictionary" is the most commonly-used English name for this work", keeping in mind that we should weed out search results for The Polish Biographical Dictionary, and as I demonstrated in the begining of the discussion in the archive, PSB has 170 hits on english pages, PSD (including both publications) has just 30 more. In the middle of the 'RfC: Request for Comment' section in archive I have also demonstrated that the Polish term PSB is more popular in books (Google Print) then the English PSD.
:If not for the existence of The Polish Biographical Dictionary, I might have agreed with your second argument. However, as the existance of this book means that under current title the books are likely to be confused, a move to the Polish name would lessen the confusion, not increase it.
:--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I am still waiting for an apology, there is a related discussion at Village Pump (policy)..--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:52, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: For reference, these are a few notable ones that I have found.  I would particularly point out that at the English-language webpage of the Polish Academy of Arts and Sciences (one of the organizations which publishes the work), they too offer the English version of their title, "Polish Biographical Dictionary". --Elonka 04:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the link to the academy which publishes it, the use of "Polish Biographical Dictionary" is clearly used as a translation: it's in brackets after the Polish name. — Matt Crypto 05:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed.  I find that very persuasive as to its "official" nature. --Elonka 18:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think we're agreeing. To me, it's only showing that it's what the academy thinks is a good translation of the title, and not that it's the English name. If they thought that "Polish Biographical Dictionary" was the best title to use in English, then they would have used that, and put the Polish title in brackets. — Matt Crypto 18:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples of places where the English name is used 

message: I can't open the link http://ipsb.tvp.pl/wps/portal - Is this only a temporary technical glitch, or is the webpage permanently unavailable?
I didn't change anything to the article yet (it contains several links to this subsite of http://www.tvp.pl): that website still indicates http://ipsb.tvp.pl/wps/portal as a valid URL  - so I'm wondering whether the unavailability would be temporary?
Has anyone more info on this (of course, I don't understand the Polish of the TVP website, so I don't know if there's  a message posted regarding the IPSB subsite there)? --Francis Schonken 11:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know there is no related message and all related links point to the old address. I guess we will have to wait a few days and see what happens.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 15:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still down. The site of the printed editons has a notice about office repairs and that there may be various "troubles" till the end of June - perhaps this is the source of our problems.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TVP's IPSB webpage(s) unavailable? 

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thread_title:  Sockpuppetry