Talk:Dark Angel (American TV series)

message: Did anyone else read the article/watch the show and say, "Hey. This sounds a LOT like James Patterson's Maximum Ride series!" I mean, both of the main character's names are Max and they're both girls, they're both human experiments from a secret facility, they both have multiple 'brothers and sisters', they have strange names for people (ex. Fang[MR], Iggy[MR]. Sketchy[DA], Herbal Thought[DA]}, some of them have telekinetic powers (Like Angel[MR]), both are groups of runaways, both try to live normal lives, both have numbers for identification, both have something to do with angels (DA's title, MR's characters.), etc. I personally haven't watched the show... But from what I've gathered, it may not just be a coincidence. (BTW, DA premiered on Oct. 3, 2000 while MR debuted April 11, '05)  70.112.45.107 (talk) 19:24, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: All your edits violate several Wikipedia guidelines: WP:OR, WP:V, and WP:YESPOV. Please read them to familiarize yourself with how Wikipedia works before you make any further edits. Wikipedia is not a soapbox for your opinions of matters, which is what your edits consist of. Wikipedia is based on referenced content, which none of yours has as it's all your opinion, which is what Wikipedia is not. That section exists because it's backed by reliable sources, it's simply stating that there was a plagiarism suit against Dark Angel, it's not there as to state Wikipedia itself is claiming Dark Angel plagiarized something else, which is why you're probably making these edits. Your edit reads like a blog post, which again, does not belong on Wikipedia. It contains heaps of unattributed phrases such as "There is NO CONTROVERSY", "Dark Angel is a typical piece of science fiction", "the show's success can be credited mainly to Jessica Alba," among others. It contains tons of weasel words and phrases, "It is more accurate to say", "It seems possible", "but it is simply not accurate to say", among others. The question is, says WHO? What reliable source is saying these things? It's well-written, but it does not belong on Wikipedia for every reason I just stated. Please move on and understand Wikipedia polices and make constructive edits.  Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:22, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Similar to...

message: According to the Series (Episode 21, Seson 1) Max Guevara (X5-452) is an X5/599, Zack calls her this way, when he offers her a heart.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.178.145.224 (talk) 18:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Max's id code 

message: I appreciate it would be removing quite a chunk of the article, but it looks to me like the synopsis and overview are more or less redundant, the overview being a shortened synopsis. In addition, the Max Guevara article contains more or less the same text as the synopsis here (with some fixes I did yesterday to clean it up.) Should we remove the synopsis? --Squiggleslash (talk) 09:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synopsis and overview 

message: Story tag added for
"pussed out..."
71.231.162.174 (talk) 14:27, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cancellation 

message: Is there any room for this bit of information? In Smallville episode 6.02, "Sneeze", Lex Luthor reveals a password as "Julian452". 452 could be a date, but in Smallville episode 7.09 we learn that Lex was actually doing experiments with his (dead) brother's DNA - and the 452 shines as a reference to Dark Angel. Albmont (talk) 17:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to other series 

message: Cybersix --201.255.59.78 (talk) 07:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see the similarities, but a quick but by no means extensive search reveals no reliable sources stating that the Dark Angel writers used Cybersix as a basis for the show. The forums are, of course, rife with speculation on the matter,  , but most are opinion pieces and nothing reliable. 20I.170.20 (talk) 15:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can anyone provide an english language source that covered the case of (alleged) plagiarism with Cybersix? Personally I don't see enough in common between the two to claim plagiarism, but the only sources I can find seem to be in Spanish; did anything ever go into details as to what was supposed to have been copied? Aside from both main characters being female and secret experiments the similarities seem to end there. -- Haravikk (talk) 22:32, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maybe a little based in... 

message: This line in Program scheduling regarding the show's cancellation that said:
"Joss Whedon's Firefly was ordered to series so FOX wouldn't have to pay for two big budget shows. Ironically, Firefly didn't last an entire season."
"So FOX wouldn't have to pay for two big budget shows" is not only unsourced, but there's almost a bitter tone to that statement. That's pretty much confirmed when the following sentence starts with "Ironically, Firefly didn't last an entire season." Ironic according to whom? And what's so ironic about a TV show not making it through an entire season? Happens all the time. In fact, some shows don't make it past an entire episode or even make it to the air at all. --Whip it! Now whip it good! 02:39, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: I've recently been re-watching the Dark Angel Series and noticed a large number of minor characters in this series (at least 5 off the top of my head) are main characters in the reimagined Battlestar Galactica. There's got to be a connection, perhaps the same casting director or writers? I'm very curious what this connection is, and I think it would be relevant to this artical.  96.33.80.229 (talk) 02:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was filmed in Vancouver. Shows filmed in Vancouver have actors based in Vancouver. This is not specific to Battlestar Galactica (or Stargate, The Collector, or any number of other shows). Avt tor (talk) 20:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connction to Battlestar Galactica(ReImagined)? 

message: That article is still too short on its own and yet to be expanded. I need to hear your honest opinions, please. --Gh87 (talk) 21:57, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, Logan Cale is very stubby. I'd support merging it here. -Phoenixrod (talk) 22:05, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

text: I support as the article hasn't been expanded at all in 6 months. Although, there's no real content to merge. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Nothing to merge, redirect to List of Dark Angel characters, which actually contains information about the character. Xeworlebi (talk) 23:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems like a better idea than a merge. -Phoenixrod (talk) 23:29, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not possible; I tagged List of Dark Angel characters with templates.  Merging to the main article instead of that article is more suitable at this time. --Gh87 (talk) 08:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

text: I just created the redirect to the list of characters article. Drovethrughosts (talk) 15:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal of [[Logan Cale]] 

message: Max's Motor Bike is? 
i like it very much 
does enetbodey know?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.180.214.15 (talk) 12:36, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: After a quick Google search, it's a Kawasaki Ninja. As for the model, not sure as there's lots of conflicting information. It's either a 250, 350, 450, or 650. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:34, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Max's Motor Bike is? 

message: I've had to remove the following award nominations from the article as they are currently unreferenced. Freikorp (talk) 00:22, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced awards 

message: There are a lot of duplicate links in . They are nowhere else in the article, so it seems deliberate, but I can't see why. Rather than delinking them, I thought I'd mention it here. Relentlessly (talk) 22:42, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Just an oversight on my part I guess; removed, Freikorp (talk) 08:45, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicate links 

message: As noted in the article, several episodes on the DVD contain optional commentary. In improving this article I have not utilised these potential sources. I mention this purely for the benefit of other editors who may wish to expand this article further in the future. Freikorp (talk) 11:51, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD commentary 

message: Just wanting to mention something interesting i've found that I may want to add to this article in the future. Sound warrior: Voice, music and power in Dark Angel - page 197. "As is noted in production interviews in the DVD set, the audience’s inability to categorise Alba’s ethnicity was considered to be a useful sf visual marker of post-racial futurity that helped to reinforce the diegetic notion of an imagined world less bound by racial distinction. Freikorp (talk) 11:37, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Race 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: At FAC, it was agreed that the information about alleged plagiarism should be removed on the grounds the sources did not meet the high quality benchmark for featured articles. IP edits have attempted to restore it back on multiple occasions, most recently with a couple new sources and an edit summary stating "It should be discussed at least if it is deletable again under this new form." This is a featured article, having been peer reviewed and accepted as among the best content on Wikipedia. As per Wikipedia:Featured article criteria, the standards for featured article are not just that the sources are reliable, but that they are also "high-quality". The old sources definitely do not make the high-quality benchmark, and the new ones don't appear to either. It's debated as to whether io9 even makes the minimum standards for a reliable source, let alone the high-quality for a featured article. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 22. And the Daily Radar wouldn't fill me with confidence even if it wasn't defunct. In order to maintain the integrity of the high-standards that featured articles should adhere to, I propose we remove this information immediately. Also just a word of advice for the person(s) trying to add this information: even if you do find a high-quality source, you still won't be able to use the lower quality ones alongside it - you'd only be able to cite what appears in the high-quality source. Freikorp (talk) 04:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure it's worth a new heading but just to revive this topic, there are issues with anonymous editors appearing and adding Argentinian sources outlining plagiarism claims about this show. I don't believe these sources are reliable, first of all. Second of all, I don't intend to be anglo-centric but I feel that if this controversy were notable about an American television show, it would have received significant coverage in American sources. I would say the same about a show from any country. I request that the various anon editors (unless you are all the same person) discuss here rather than edit warring. The material is disputed and this is a Featured article, so we need to keep it stable and of high quality. --Laser brain (talk) 11:38, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

text: @User_talk:Laser_brain While I'm not contradicting the rest of your argument, I hope you realize how problematic your blanket statement saying all sources from a particular country are unreliable is. Unless you're challenging the quality of the sources, in which case I would recommend using that as your argument rather than the country of origin. 122.45.103.220 (talk) 01:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Laser_brain never said all Argentinian sources are not reliable, and I think it's problematic you're misrepresenting what they did say. They clearly said the particular sources in question were not reliable. They then said, as a second unrelated argument, that if coverage was only limited to a single country that had nothing to do with the TV series, that lacked notability, not reliability. That second argument is much more open to debate, but it's a moot point since the first argument they made stands. Damien Linnane (talk) 04:24, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged plagiarism of Cybersix and Friday 

message: It seems to be the theme section is citation of random people's opinion that's not pertinent to the show itself. There should be some type of standard by which to decide what sources to include and exclude. I think it would be best to include sources, and possibly further discussion from impactful news sources during that period discussing it, or of they interviewed experts, to include further points from them, even if in the future. Or, of there are comments from the author, director, producer, etc those self confessed themes are pertinent. However, currently there is too much random information within the section that are never addressed during or around the show.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.216.189.178 (talk) 07:06, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There is already an accepted standard for themes sections, and this article adheres to it. See MOS:FILM. It is also normal to build a themes section using academic research. I don't understand how you can consider academic research to be 'random people' and 'random information'. This section and these sources were also the subject of peer review when the article passed through its FAC, so you're currently on your own with having a problem with it. You're welcome to add more content though (as long as you adhere to WP:UNDUE and other guidelines of course), so feel free to go searching for sources yourself. Personally I think the section has more than adequate coverage and does not require expansion. Damien Linnane (talk) 06:53, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qualifications for theme referencing