Talk:Vs. (Pearl Jam album)

message: *All song titles serve as redirects to this album, have their own pages, or have been placed at the appropriate disambiguation pages.--Hraefen Talk 18:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: '''<^>v!!This album is connected!!v<^>'''

message: "Pearl Jam will always hold the title for most albums sold in the first five days" - I have changed this as it reads like a prediction; changing to "still hold the record"...
problem is, this may not be true. Who knows if those f*cking boy band albums sold more copies in their first five days?
:Look unless someone can come up with a source that backs that they sold most album in a week it should be removed from the article. Honestly I think U2 sold over 1 million copies in their first week back in the 80s with their Joshua Tree.--70.129.55.17 08:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most Sold in a week 

message: the "Album Title" section uses the phrase "a nod to" twice in two sentences. its anoyying. go figure :)... why is this in a box ?????? im confused sorry121.217.241.224 (talk) 09:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  a nod to... 

message: Transcription using Google News Advanced News Archive Search. Chicago Sun-Times (DeRogatis, Jim. 7. October 17, 1993) review of Vs. (1993):
Dan56 (talk) 00:23, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicago Sun-Times review 

message: Four out of five star review. Transcription using Amazon.com Preview Browser:
Dan56 (talk) 00:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rolling Stone Album Guide review 

message: Transcription using Google News Advanced News Archive Search. USA Today (Gundersen, Edna. 01.D. October 15, 1993) review of Vs. (1993):
Dan56 (talk) 00:23, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  USA Today review 

message: Does anyone have a reputable source which confirms/denies the name connection between this album, and the Mission of Burma album? I've always been of the understanding that the title was a reference to that seminal 1980s album. 
Would be nice to get a sentence, backed by a reputable source, which confirms or denies this. Stuart mcmillen (talk) 03:25, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album title is a reference to Mission of Burma? 

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message: There are serious, glaring problems with the citations used in this article, and other Pearl Jam album wikis, to claim specific band members wrote the songs on this album. In many of these cases, Wiki editors have misconstrued or exaggerated information from interviews to make unfounded claims that single band members wrote all the music of a song that is credited to the entire band.
For example:
1. This wiki claims Dave Abbruzzese wrote the entirety of the music for the song "Go." It then links as its citation to an interview where Abbruzzese describes bringing an initial version of the song to the band, who then wrote and recorded the final version together. "With "Go," I just happened to pick up the guitar at the right moment. Stone asked what I was playing and started playing it, then Jeff stared playing it, and Eddie started singing with it, and it turned into a song. That's basically how all or most of our songs come about." Wiki editors have taken their own unfounded position that Abbruzzese wrote the song without any concrete evidence, and ignored the fact that Pearl Jam officially credits the music to the band. If someone wants to add text to the "Music and Lyrics" section of this wiki that notes Abbruzzese brought the original version of the song to the band, that can be done. But falsely crediting a song to someone based on your own editorialized perception of an interview is in violation of pretty much everything that drives Wikipedia. 2. This wiki claims 
Stone Gossard wrote the entirety of the music for the song "Animal." It then links as its citation to an "Unofficial Pearl Jam History" fan page — not a reliable source — that nevertheless does not claim Gossard wrote the song. It merely says he, Jeff Ament, and Matt Cameron (who was in Soundgarden at the time) *recorded* — it doesn't specify who wrote it — a demo of the song prior to Pearl Jam's formation. 3. The wiki claims Gossard wrote the entirety of the music for the song "Daughter" and cites a fan newsletter that only states that Gossard used a specific guitar to write the song — the citation says nothing about whether he wrote the song by himself. 4. This wiki claims Gossard and Mike McCready wrote the music to "Glorified G" and then cites as its source an article where this claim is not made at all — in fact, McCready is quoted as saying he and Gossard wrote *parts* of the song — not the whole of it, so this is just a blatantly false reading of the source.
This goes on and on and seems to be rife throughout Pearl Jam's album wikis. These unreliable, misinterpreted and often false sources should be removed. Icanttalkaboutit (talk) 13:15, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems With Songwriting Citations 

message: This album was widely released on Oct 19 1993, the same day as Rush's Counterparts. Anecdotal evidence means nothing, but I was at the store on the day of release along with my friend, he for Counterparts and me for Vs. All the reviews are just days before the release date, from advance copies. None are anywhere near Oct 5th. The RIAA is being considered here all by itself as some encyclopedic source that trumps all others, when every other source including not just the band's official website but sources like Billboard (who show that on the week of release Pearl Jam and Rush came in at numbers one and two) show Oct 19th as the release date. These are trusted sources, and together they show consensus. One single source cannot trump a consensus of reliable sources. In the archive of Billboard's Nov 6th newsweekly, on page 14, there is an article about Pearl Jam and Nirvana on their music's staying power which notes that Vs. was released on Oct 19th. It also mentions on the same page in another editorial that they released the vinyl one week early (Oct 12). I trust this will end the ongoing edit war.
Source: https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Music/Billboard/90s/1993/BB-1993-11-06.pdf Dobyblue (talk) 14:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Consider it over. Billboard PDF is reliable, RIAA too, but the band's official website is not. In the end, the magazine trumps the RIAA. Btw, I know that the RIAA fails many times, but it's still more reliable than most sources. SpaceHelmetX1 (talk) 00:14, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Release Date 

message: this album Vs. was originally called "Five Against One"
A double entendre(maybe5 entendre)
Five members of Pearl Jam
Five album contract
(with epic records)
Five fingers on a hand
Five fingers to make a fist
Five fists to fight the music industry
Whom demanded they "fit the mold of the alternative grunge band by which they had to "look a certain way"
 which is also why there were no videos from 5/1_VS. In which the band appeared and forward from Vitology onward
This is precursor for long battle between PJ and biG brother in several manifestations.
sorry for this long entry, but I had no other way to tell you only the "5 against one" true tit
.and become a another tool for them is a very long story which most true fans will know 2601:47:100:C2C0:A591:650F:8785:C7FA (talk) 03:45, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vs. footnote (or head note)