Talk:California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education

message: Orlady, I believe the following statement should be removed. "State approval is, however, a prerequisite in order for an institution to become accredited". I don't think it makes sense when the BPPVE is defunct, including the laws associated with it.  I believe that it is misleading to reference defunct policies and laws that no longer may apply when supporting statements asserting current situations. Please provide a current reliable source for the statement (getting approval by BPPVE will be a nice trick since BPPVE doesn't exist any longer) or change the assertion to reference the past. I believe it is best to just delete the statement rather than having it refer to the past though, this was not a primary purpose of BPPVE even when it existed. TallMagic (talk) 04:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Touche! As you guessed, I don't actually know which provisions of the law expired and which still exist. However, I'm sure this can be wordsmithed to accurately reflect the sources (but I'm too tired to do that now); let's not delete it. The current material I've seen from the California Postsecondary Education Commission (e.g., this FAQ) causes me to believe that the schools that were approved by the BPPVE are still deemed to be approved. From that I infer that the requirement for approval is still in force, but there's no entity to oversee the approval process. From a practical standpoint, since accreditation is not conferred until after an institution has compiled a solid track record, no newly formed California school that wasn't approved before July 2007 has a ghost of a chance of getting accredited before the state re-establishes an approval process. --Orlady (talk) 05:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe that the BPPVE has approved any general education institution in a few years. For example Greenwich University tried to apply to BPPVE when they got booted out of Australia. I agree, I too can't imagine them approving any new ones. Although if the UC or CSU system wanted to start up a new campus I suspect they wouldn't have much trouble. Regards, TallMagic (talk) 06:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  statement made regarding a defunct organization doesn't make sense 

message: This California Assembly bill summary dated May 19, 2008 appears to be a reliable summary of the current status of the law. From it (and the text of the underlying bill), I glean the following: 
* The Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education Reform Act of 1989 "became inoperative" on July 1, 2007. That is the date when the Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education ceased to exist. 
* The Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education Administration Fund and the Student Tuition Recovery Fund continue to exist until July 1, 2008. 
* The Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education Reform Act of 1989 was automatically repealed on January 1, 2008. Up until that time, "certain violations" of its provisions were subject to civil penalties and "certain willful violations" were punishable as crimes.
Thus: Not only has the BPPVE ceased to exist, but there are currently no legal requirements for state approval in order for private higher education institutions to operate. The BPPVE-administered funds still exist (for 3 more weeks) under the control of some other component of state government. --Orlady (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: PS - For info on pending legislation in the state assembly relevant to higher education, see http://ct2k2.capitoltrack.com/report.asp?rptid=U29812 --Orlady (talk) 14:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Thank you for the information. Disbanding doesn't have that additional meaning for me (although of course it can be used in that way) but if it does for you then a different word should be chosen like "closed"? (Although can't "closed" also carry the transitive verb meaning when used in that way?) July 1, 2007 is a good date for the article then when BPPVE was disbanded( :-) ). I still think that it is fair and reasonable to say something along the lines that BPPVE was allowed to close because it had proven to be ineffectual and fundamentally flawed. If the Inside Higher Ed article didn't support that in your mind then I'd argue that the governor's explanation for vetoing the bill that pulled the plug on the BPPVE seemed to? Regards, TallMagic (talk) 15:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What's the real story?