Talk:Pittsburgh/Archive 2

message: Please only include schools that are in Pittsburgh. Uniontown, New Kengsington, and McKeesport are not in teh City.
Pittsburgh is not the 7 county metro area.  This is an article on the city, which has limits within Allegany county.  Roughly this is the north and south sides, downtown, oakland, shadyside, squirlhill, point breeze, and homewood (downtown to, not including, wilkinsburg).
Perhapse to settle this ongoing debate we should start a Pittsburgh Metro area article.  This would encompase the entire metropoletan area?--Jimktrains 16:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's been discussed before. See the archives of this page. I think we agreed to do it, but it wasn't implemented. ClarkBHM 19:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I was part of the dicussion:-p   Anyway, just because it was never implement doesn't mean that we can stick anything in this article.  It needs to be limited to Pittsburgh proper, not the metro area.--Jimktrains 19:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: RMU was probably removed as it has a satellite campus in Pittsburgh but its main campus in Moon Township. There's no hard definition of what it takes to be in that list, so I readded it at least temporarily. --Matt 14:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My thoughts are that since there is acampus IN downtown, that it counts, and I've been zelous at what we consider "Pittsburgh".--Jimktrains 22:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schools/Def Pittsburgh 

message: Why was this article added to the "Eponymous cities" category? The category has no description, so I can't guess what it means. What's eponymous about "Pittsburgh"? -- Mikeblas 01:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cities named after people, I imagine. Though including Pittsburgh is a bit of a stretch, since the original name is only part of the city's name  (as opposed to, say Washington, DC). That category seems like it could get inordinately large though, so I wonder if it's really neccessary. Ddye 01:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it is a bit of a stretch. I asked about it over on the talk page for the category. I think all categories should have some content that describes and defines the category, and that one certainly doesn't. --Mikeblas 02:39, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eponymous Cities 

message: Dialect -- People from Pittsburgh tend to add the word "all" before the verb in a question: "What all did you buy at Giant Eagle?" (What did you buy at Giant Eagle?) "Who all was at the party?" (Who was at the party?).  Also, the phrase "to be" is usually dropped from common phrases: "This room needs cleaned." (This room needs to be cleaned.) "My car needs fixed." (My car needs to be fixed.)
Should things like "keller" and "crick" really be listed as "notable terms"? Some of the words and phrases listed really are specific terms, but these two (and arguable others) are just some examples of how words would sound with this particular accent.
Chipped ham and sliced ham are two different things!!! Sliced ham is when you put the ham on the slicer and cut it into sheets. Chipped ham is when you cut it up into small pieces so you can throw a handful onto your sandwiches. I'm from pittsburgh. I know this.Dan 18:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the dialect section should be removed completely. Surely other major cities have their quirks about certain terms. Pittsburgh is not exactly unique in this regard. Plus, it's not so pervasive that you wonder where you are... ClarkBHM 19:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Othe cities can add their own dialect sections.  I think it should stay.  I see where you're going with keller, but I think crick is more notable as a term, not a mispronounciation.  Also, much of "Pittsburghese" is prevelent in the metro area and parts of the midwest, but these words and terms have worked their way to being "from Pittsburgh."  Perhapse we could seperate these from true Pittsburgh words, but I think some of them deserve to stay.  I have had people from other parts of the state look at me and say, "you're a pittsburgher, no one else says that."  So I do think that it is "pervasive"--Jimktrains 12:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I split the sections.  How's it look.  As I said some of the terms may spread beyond pittsburgh (can't say for sure), but many of them are assosiated with pittsburgh by many areas of the country.  Also, instead of examples of pronounciation, maybe someone with some lingustics knowlege could explain some of the pronounciation.--Jimktrains 12:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Western Pennsylvania is actually one of the few places in the country with its own dialect, which I think makes it a distinctive piece of information about Pittsburgh. Support for this comes from the recently published Atlas of North American English which is unfortunately no longer completely online.--Pudowski 00:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Local Dialect Section

message: First, it wasn't the correct format. Second, it wasn't hyperlinked.  Third, there is a song by the name too.  
Question: are these important enought to require a disambiuation page?  And if so, it would be Pittsburgh, not Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, right?--Jimktrains 01:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: What was the Point of Interest section deleted?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimktrains (talk • contribs) 19:40 Jun 27 2006
: Which edit are you talking about? --Matt 19:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about not signing:-p  I'm not sure.  I saw it in bulk and didn't notice that it had jsut ben redone....--Jimktrains 00:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POI 

message: "Yinzer" is a classist term. I'm not sure why it shouldn't be in the Wikipedia article.
Please take a look at what happens when Professor Mike Madison uses the term carelessly in his blog: , . Or take a look at these Overheard in Pittsburgh entries: , , . Disclosure: I run Overheard in Pittsburgh, but these are all entries that were sent to me with the word "Yinzer" used to describe someone considered to be of low class and education.
It's not a nice word; I wouldn't want to be called one. --Chris Griswold 05:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you're trying to support. I don't think yinzer is inappropriate for the article, far from it. I think the statement "It is generally a term used by the few people born outside the area that move to Pittsburgh to mock the working class locals." is inappropriate. --Matt 15:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mod matt up.  It seems that my reason for taking it out isn't the sole one.  I never found it to be a derogatory term (mainly used by freinds from outside the area, joking, never been called on "for real").  I like the current revision.--Jimktrains 21:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome!--Chris Griswold 03:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks good to me --Matt 23:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Do what you want.  Perhaps you aren't from Western PA.  Its far from an insult. 3 things you can do in Pittsburgh, Leave your beer money on the bar while you shoot a game of pool, take comfort knowing that if you can't be there to discipline your kids, your neighbor will, and proudly professing your 'yinzer' title when someone recognizes your accent while on vacation. --chris 02:56, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yinzer 

message: Before I start a revert war, why was teh section on neiborhoods taken out? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jimktrains (talk • contribs) 07:19, 15 July 2006  (UTC)
: I support a revert on that. An IP with only one change? Doesn't seem like vandalism, but doesn't seem  like an editor who will reply to your comment either. --Matt 14:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I'll fix it.  Srry bout not signing--Jimktrains 14:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neigborhoods 

message: I don't think Pittsburgh is in the top seven cloudiest cities in the U. S. Check this out:
Q: What are the top ten cloudy cities in the USA?
A: The list the National Climatic Data Center prepared a few years ago indicated that Astoria, Ore., is tied with Quillayute, Wash., as the cloudiest U.S. weather stations, each with 240 cloudy days a year. 
The next 8 on the list are:
Olympia, Wash., 229 days 
Seattle, 227 days 
Portland, Ore., 223 days 
Kailspell, Mont., 213 days 
Binghamton, N.Y., 212 days 
Beckley, W.Va., 211 days 
Elkins, W. Va. 211 days 
Eugene, Ore. 209 days 
(Answered by Jack Williams, USATODAY.com weather editor, Dec. 13, 2004)
--alexyu 15:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Might have to do with how 'city' is defined --Matt 16:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I know I had a source for that.  I thought I posted it here, but I guess not.  I will try ot find it.--Jimktrains 17:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: I found a really good high quality image of the seal of the city but I'm not sure if using it would be copyright infringement. http://pghbridges.com/articles/pghseal/pghsealbcba.jpg --Gw099 22:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Use seal --Matt 23:02, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay well I updated the page with the higher resolution image of the seal just remove it if you think it's too obtrusive --Gw099 03:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  City Seal 

message: Why is there a fact tag next to yunz?  Since it's stated that "you ones" -> yinz, yunz is conjecture to begin with, and it is commonly accepted conjecture, why does it need a fact tag?  If you are going to argure that since it isn't a cold hard fact it shouldn't be there, just revert teh edits to their prior form.  I personaly think that it is ok to have, since it is said to be "generaly thought"--Jimktrains 12:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this is an encyclopedia and nothing is "generall" thought, only cited. If enough people believe it to be a contraction of those words, someone must have written it down for publication. --Chris Griswold 13:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is also linguisitics, we cannot prove this either.  It doesn't matter how many times it is written down, it can never be proven true; hence why citeing it as "generaly accepted" is OK--Jimktrains 19:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: As there are more than 1 common answer tow here yinz came from, I took it back to saying nothing about its origin.  That can be left for yinz:-p--Jimktrains 19:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  yunz 

message: The North Side was renamed the North Shore at some point in the last 5 years, highway signs and references have all since been updated although most of the population still refers to it as the North Shore. Does anybody know when? I'll add the info and make the changes but I can't remember the date.
Also there are a few notable things that were left out, such as "chipped ham" and the "Primanti Brother's" sandwich shops. I think they are officially "notable" because I've seen mention of them on various television shows on, say, the History Channel or the Food Network. Not sure whether every minor little thing like that belongs in the article or not, though. There's also the other standard stuff; "gum bands", "pop", etc, (and all those other annoying things out-of-towners like to ask about every time they come to Pittsburgh ;) ). --24.3.121.180 22:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a marketing term used to separate the cultural areas from the crime reports. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 07:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  North Side -> North Shore 

message: I removed the added comments about how 70-76-79 form a beltway but it is A)"but its distance from the city center" is very subjective, some metro beltways are on extreme ends of the metroplex even traversing states that the city itself does not border (example Cincinnati) and yet those are still referred to as beltways.  and B) "the need to exit and enter each leg in order to continue circling the city render it impractical as a beltway" is just false.  That type of statement implies that to use 70 or 79 or 76 as a beltway is "impractical" but compared to what?  If you have ever driven those three interstates in W. Pennsylvania you would immediately realize that 70-76 junction is exits exits everywhere, since I-70 ceases as an independent interstate and instead merges with the original turnpike/76 corridor.  79 and 70 are similarly conjoined, you literally have to exit off of 79 and then exit again off 70/79 to continue to traverse the 79 route.  The rule is that these interstates REQUIRE "the need to exit and enter each leg in order to continue" not only circiling the city but simply to get from West Virginia to Lake Eire or from Ohio to Maryland.  Calling special attention to the fact that the beltway requires this with no mention of the fact that all traffic, beltway and through, must make those exits and entrances represents something other then the reality of those routes.  Interested in other views on this.  Hholt01 19:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beltway 76-70-79 

message: This article is missing key information on culture, the arts (i.e. Carnegie International), and museums (Where is the Mattress Factory!)
:Hey please leave a ~ 4 times after your post! Thank you, that way we can date it and see who you are :) The Matress Factory is in the article as well as the Carnegie try clicking the "Culture" tab or hit CNTRL + F and do a site search for the term.  Please read it a bit more carefully next time, if you wish to expand on that to a great degree please be our guest in creating a new article and a link to that article under the culture section of this page, we welcome and substantive addition! Hholt01 07:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing key information 

message: Made a series of edits, to accomplish the following (was posted in "To Do"):
# Remove unencyclopedic language; this is not a civic association booster flyer.  We all love the city.  Let's write an Wikipedia article, observing WP:NPOV, that we can be proud of.  For an example of what we should emulate, see the 1911 Encyclopedia Brittanica article on Pittsburgh.  All facts, no fluff.
# cut down the tedious discussion about whether Pittsburg(h) has an "h" or not.  A couple of sentences here are enough; if the reader is interested, he or she can go to the Name of Pittsburgh article. 
# cut down the list of famous Pittsburghers.  Again, this has its own article: List of famous people from Pittsburgh Tomcool 17:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good edits. Just one note: Please add new talkpage comments to the bottom. But seriously: Good edits. Please join WikiProject Pittsburgh. We're just getting started, but I'd definitely like you to be a part of it. WikiProject Pittsburgh --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 18:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits for Sep 10, 2006

message: I guess this article is kind of long, but I removed/re-wrote a couple of items primarily for clarity.
1.  Removed references to Pittsburgh being among the most livable cities in 1980 and 1983 (or whatever years in the 80's that were mentioned).  That's over 20 years ago...who cares?  It is appropriate to leave the 2005 reference in, which I did.
2.  I'm not sure Pittsburgh has suddenly become "the" center for medicine, technology, etc.  So I soft-pedaled it a little, saying that it is "trying" to become a center.
3.  To say that the Squirrel Hill section has one of the largest Jewish populations in the NATION is simply not true.  I'd like to see a citation on that.  Perhaps it has one of the largest Jewish populations in Western PA, but I'm not sure how salient a fact like that really is.  I re-wrote it to say that Squirrel Hill has a significant Jewish population in Pittsburgh.  A deeper explanation can be found in the "Squirrel Hill" entry in Wikipedia.Asc85 20:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad you made these notes. I'm not sure what to think of your first point, but I don't have a strong enough opinion on it to agree or argue. As for the second item, either one of those statements - what you changed and what you changed it to - really needs to be cited. You were able to change it because it is uncited; someone else can come along and do the same again. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 20:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Pittsburgh is a center of medicine (US News and World Report, I do not know where to find it onlue, but I have read the paper version), as for technology and teaching, Pitt and CMU are always ranked high in the ranks for universities and have a long history of being such.  I don't know what you would want to prove this to you.  I changed it to "has become a," because it isn't "the," but it is a.  --Jimktrains 22:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll agree with your edit.  I'm not from the Pittsburgh area, which on the one hand makes me more objective (I think), but I'll also concede makes me less knowledgable.  Then again, I've only made selected edits, and am certainly not trying to screw with the entry.Asc85 23:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I certainly don't think you are. I think your edits have been well-considered and beneficial to the article. As for what "proof" we need: We need magazine articles or the like that say that Pittsburgh is a center for these things, or that the schools are ranked as Jimktrains says. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 02:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added some links to rankings....--Jimktrains 00:30, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. That is much appreciated. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 00:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits on Sept. 15, 2006 

message: They play in Falconi Field, which according to the Census and thus congress is part of "pittsburgh", plus the Pittsburgh Riverhounds play on the same exact field, why not include them in the Pittsburgh sports list?? Either they should be included or the Pittsburgh Riverhounds should be excluded, but obviously that shouldn't happen so they should be included 65.33.180.136 08:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 16:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

text: They are Pittsburgh's team, the Wild Things is Washington's.  Personaly I don't care if they stay or go on the page see that they don't play in pittsburgh, but I do not feelt eh Wild Things should be mentioned.  This is about Pittsburgh the city, not Pittsburgh the metropoletan area.--Jimktrains 23:12, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gooder idea. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 23:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Washington Wildthings 

message: Hi to all,
I am an amateur photographer and have made a number of photographs of Pgh (as some people say, rather good ones) I'd like to share with Wikipedia. Of course there are plenty of better photos in albums and on the Web, but since Wiki has a strict copyright policy, maybe they will be useful.
I'm not really good in editing articles, using html tags, etc., so I'll just upload them on Imageshack.us and leave the links here, if someone is interested.
: Yes, some good fotos of the city would be great.  If you want to contribute them to the public domain, you should upload them to Wikimedia Commons.Tomcool 16:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Any specific photo requests can be made at WikiProject Pittsburgh. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 18:15, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  photographs 

message: Among the other Pittsburgh area colleges and universities are the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, Carlow University, Chatham Univeristy, Duquesne University, La Roche College, Point Park University, Robert Morris University, Saint Vincent College, Seton Hill University, Slippery Rock University, and Washington & Jefferson College.
Should this really be in this article?  Should this be moved into the Pittsburgh Tri-State article?  For anyone wanting to know why, look at the education thread above. --Jimktrains 15:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm ok with it. Plus we already have a list encompassing most of these colleges a few paragraphs down. --Matt 15:44, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Before I start a war... 

message: I don't see why mediterranean climate is mentioned in the article about the climate in Pittsburg. The mediterranean climate has hot and very dry summers, while winters are mild and  rainy. According to the article, Pittsburgh has pretty warm summers, but with high humidity. I would say Pittsburgh has a Dfa or Dfb climate according to the Koppen climate classification. Orcaborealis 10:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Climate

message: I've added a number of new fotos to this article, including a truly spectacular one of the city at night with fireworks that I convinced a Flikr user, btezra, to donate to the creative commons.  The article now looks a lot better, but rather skeletal, since the images force a lot of white space (i used the  template in order to prevent the images from running into the next section.  I think this article is now poised for expansion.  Please contribute additional information about the institutions and stuff already mentioned in the article, as well as other Pittsburgh cultural entities.  P. culture -- now more than pierogies!  (not that I don't like pierogies . . . ) Tomcool 23:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Culture of Pittsburgh]] work 

message: There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada. 
:This proposal would allow for this article to be located at Pittsburgh instead of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, bringing articles for American cities into line with articles for cities such as Paris and Toronto.--DaveOinSF 18:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However the proposal would allow U.S. cities to be inconsistent with the vast majority of other U.S. cities and towns, which (with a few exceptions) all use the "city, state" convention. -Will Beback 23:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Most cities redirect from Pittsburgh to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania anyway, so is this a big issue?--Jimktrains 03:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries

message: A reference is made to Pittsburgh and Cleveland being ranked amongst the most liveable cities in America by the Economist. I cannot find verification of that assertion. How do I find who wrote it? How do I contact them? I did however find a great article about Pittsburgh in the Economist during September 2006. The article is entitled How now brown town? 
--FarrelBuch 05:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liveable? 

message: San Francisco made it to FA.  Worth looking at and shooting for.  Note especially the density of their notes and references.  What do you think?  Tomcool 21:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[San Francisco, California]] featured article

message: I converted the template box to a table in the Shopping area.  Its much more professional looking, and I consider it a good contribution.  This article should go for FA; it just needs some streamlining. RideABicycle 04:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shopping 

message: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, whose official "federal" spelling of its city name was "Pittsburg" from 1891 to 1911.
Is 1891 accurate?  Why is it not in this article?
Thank You.
[[ hopiakuta  | [[ %c2%a1 %c2%bf  %7e%7e%7e%7e  -]] 04:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the [[Pittsburg]] page, is: 

message: The to-do list for this article states that this article needs to be trimmed, but it is only getting bigger and bigger. Somebody who is skilled at the art of trimming should get to this. But not me, I'll screw things up... Nathan412 02:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I pride myself on trimming; you should see my bangs. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 08:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have extensively trimmed just now.  The introduction was hardly introductory and the media section only served as a distraction needing its own page.--Loodog 19:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Appendum: the education section is far lengthier than those of comparable cities.  I'll be working on that, too.--Loodog 19:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I like what I see! --Matt 19:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There goes 8kb.  We're down to 43.--Loodog 20:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I personaly feel that the article has lost a lot of good info (info on universities and langauage).--Jimktrains 00:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No information has been deleted, merely reallocated to their own articles.  See:  Education in Pittsburgh and pittsburgh english.  If you compare Pittsburgh to equivalent cities on wikipedia, no more information is lacking.--Loodog 03:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trim article? 

message: should this article have an IPA pronunciation for the name "Pittsburgh"? I like pronunciations :). I can add it if it's appropriate. Pudowski 01:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's a bad idea. I don't know how to read IPA but I definitely think it's cool for place names. --Matt 01:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Please do. Thanks for the work on the Pittsburgh articles. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 07:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation?