Talk:Edward Hyde, 3rd Earl of Clarendon

message: This article is deeply offensive and cissexist! It portrays a person's cross-gendered presentation as ipso facto evidence of being immoral and corrupt. This portion of the article needs to be clarified and removed. Evidence such as sited examples of bribery, extortion, theft, or misappropriation can stand on their own without resorting to discussing a person's gender non-conformity as "further evidence".  It is offensive to think that transgender people's gender expression somehow points to 'more validity' for being corrupt.  Straight, cisgendered people are equally if not more corrupt; and people don't use their gender to further this as 'evidence'.  i.e. "As a woman, she was known to be of lower moral quality."  --people would clearly see this as sexist. Will edit article at later date to revise these offensive and bigoted statements from this article.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.149.112.121 (talk) 18:36, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cissexism & Transphobia 

message: I did some revisioning/redacting on this page, but I suspect it needs more: it was written from what seemed like an entirely biased view and came across as not trying to inform neutrally, but solely argue one side. Thanx 68.39.174.230 03:42, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The text of the article reads in places like it was cribbed from very old sources with archaic language. I have some other online sources about the article subject open as I type this, and I think I will give the article a quick once-over for copy-editing. I'm concerned that some of the article text may be plagiarism or a copyright violation, but I'm not sure how to check that. If another editor reading this knows the best way to flag that kind of issue, I would greatly appreciate the help. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 01:27, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I wrote most of the material regarding the Earl's "reputation." Certainly interested in your contributions. Joegoodfriend (talk) 18:53, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyediting 

message: Re:  Transphobia
I completely agree that the current article is deeply offensive for the stated reasons.  It's also true that virtually all existing biographic accounts contain the same transphobic innuendos.  However, those accounts contain objective data which can be used to write a neutral biography -- by ignoring the original author's statements of opinion.  Fortunately, Patricia Bonomi has written a book that presents Cornbury in a positive light.  Her account isn't really a biography.  She focuses on and corrects the Cornbury folklore.  Unfortunately, her positive opinion of Cornbury depends on her questionable medical assessment that Cornbury wasn't transgender.
Please see my draft article on Cornbury in User:Csandi/sandbox, a work in progress.  I would appreciate any input or suggestions regarding the article.
Re:  Article Title   
I recommend adding "Royal Governor of New York & New Jersey" or similar to the title.  It's likely that most readers are interested in his term as governor rather than his position in the Peerage of England.
Csandi (talk) 19:14, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creating a Neutral Article 

message: This article is an absolute disaster, particularly the section on Clarendon's personal life. To claim that Clarendon was transgender is beyond ludicrous: there are reports of his being a cross-dresser, period. There is absolutely no shred of evidence to suggest that he was in any way transgender, to say nothing of the obvious fact that transgenderism itself was not even conceived of at the time.
The section titles in the article are far too numerous and hilariously unencyclopedic. This whole page, which appears from the editing history to have been taken over entirely by a single editor since July 2017, needs some major work by someone who knows what they're doing. 204.195.137.156 (talk) 03:39, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Outrageous claim of transgenderism

message: The "Transgender" Wiki article describes it as:  "Transgender people are people who have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from their assigned sex."  If Cornbury did indeed wear women's clothing, then he would fit into that category.  "Transgender" is a modern term that refers to a phenomenon that has existed throughout the human experience.  "Transgender" is also an umbrella term that includes a number of sub-categories, such as "transsexuals", "androgynous people", "cross-dressers", etc.   There's insufficient information to determine which sub-category might have accurately described Cornbury.  (For example, How often did he wear women's clothes?  What goals did he wish to achieve?  Did he wish for medical intervention? etc.)
Over 300 years later, it's impossible to know whether or not Cornbury did actually wear women's clothes -- thus the body of the article has been edited not to include such assertions.  However, modern assessments of Cornbury's life & achievements have universally been negative because of the assertion.  Thus a section on Cornbury's alleged cross-dressing is essential -- it has come to be what sets him apart from his contemporaries.
  
Csandi (talk) 19:20, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Cross-dressing" Wiki article describes it as: "It is often assumed that the connotation is directly correlated with behaviors of transgender identity or sexual, fetishist, and homosexual behavior, but the term itself does not imply any motives and is not synonymous to one's gender identity". Whether or not Lord Cornbury dressed in women's clothes, cross-dressing AKA transvestism does not necessarily mean he was transgender. I removed the links to lists of Trans people and history of transgender people in the US. Theorizing is one thing, but I don't think we can definitively say that Lord Cornbury was transgender. Paris1127 (talk) 20:37, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

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message: User:217.155.193.205 I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve here, could you explain what your issue is? CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:47, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
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