Talk:Halo 3/Archive 5

message: I unfortunately  do not have time to do this, but a lot of data became available with Gamepro's "Halo Goes Supernova" article. If you don't have it, scans can be found here:
Update: On halo.bungie.org there is the scan of an article about Halo 3. Read the captions, they explain the new armor types. 
S II 087 21:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gamepro content 

message: "Official logo for Halo 3"
The first picture that is present, the halo 3 logo with the dark background, that is fan-created art of the halo 3 logo.
:Go talk to Gamespot, they'll have some words with you about officially-released material. Peptuck
"The Master Chief's MA5C Assault Rifle, along with an overturned Warthog in the background."
That is not a warthog, that is a the new Mongoose ATV
: No, no, nononononononono. For heaven's sakes, do we have to discuss this every month? Look in the archives, we've thumped any question as to whether that is a Warthog. Look at the suspension, the shape, the wheels, the winch and cable on the front, the sheer size of the darn thing. (for reference, Master Chief is in front of the grass, and the vehicle is behind the grass. Its big.) Unless they are making special Mongoose models for a hence unseen minority of twelve-foot tall storm giants tromping around in the UNSC, that thing is not a Mongoose! It is a Warthog. Peptuck 06:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, no? If that were the case, the Warthog would have had to teleport all the way around in front of the Chief before the Wraith blast hit. There's a Warthog on one side, a Mongoose on another. Pay some attention, people. Peptuck 15:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit pictures! 

message: I decided to archive the majority of the page as of 11th April 2007. It had over 40 topics at the time. What I've archived was mostly irrelevent, already fixed, or suggesting changes that were pointless and shot down already. I've left the most recent and relevent posts below. RC Master 14:08, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest Archive 4 

message: The Assault Rifle, as shown in the Multiplayer Vidoc “Is Quisnam Protero Damno!”, has a 32 round clip and at least holds 260 rounds. It appears slimmer then the Halo 1 AR, the but(t) of the gun looks different, it has a blue clip number display on the gun, and the AR is more accurate than the one in Halo 1. Additionally the way the AR was designed is to encourage the player to use grenades and the melee attack. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tnarg122 (talk • contribs) 01:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assault Rifle Information 

message: With the upcoming release of the beta, and the marketing campaign expected to kick off some time soon as well, a lot of the information in this article is about to become irrelevant or outdated. I suggest the article be remorselessly culled. For starters, I reckon the "release info" and "media releases" bits can be completely axed - all the information is either duplicated elsewhere or really out of date. The ViDoc and trailer descriptions could also probably do with a bit more trimming, too. And the Beta section is presumably going to get much larger once the beta is opened; I suggest this section be trimmed to the beta release date and something about getting a copy of crackdown until then. Thoughts?--ABVS 23:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Release Info and Media releases are messy and unneeded. If any particlar information is needed from those sources they can be cited rather than talked about on their own. RC Master 11:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, the Beta section needs complete rewrite. Until the beta is released, all that is needed is a breif outline of the 'rule of 3,' what the beta contains and a link to Beta FAQ. RC Master 11:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Time to cull the article

message: That's Gyrophobia, from Halo 1 PC. 
Sai-kun 12:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While it does looks similar to gyrophobia, its not. Frankie said this somewhere i believe. It could be noted in the article (if its not already) that it shares visual cues with gyrophobia and the bride from AotCR. RC Master 11:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "A new map with many similarities to the bridges from Assault on the Control Room in Halo 1" 

message: In the new ViDoc there is a section where you see a spartan carrying a sword at his hip. This indicates that the sword is dual-wieldable because one handed, DW weapons are carried at the hip while two-handed, single-wield weapons are carried on the back. Further proof can be found in the first ViDoc where we can see a elite model go at a brute model with two swords. granted this was not an in-game clip but it shows that Bungie was considering it. The only issues with duel wielding swords are 1) There usually is only 1 per map and 2) How would it work? Crankdawg47 20:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Carrying a weapon on the hip does not automatically qualify it for being dual-wieldable. It simply means its small enough to stow on the hip. Peptuck 21:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: IMO, I don't think dual-wielding swords will happen. I think it'll just be for an in-game cutscene, maybe. Aside from looking uber-badass, there would really be no point to being able to hold two swords at once, since one slice from one sword is [usually] enough to kill someone. Oh and that's the second ViDoc [Et Tu, Brute], not the first.Sai-kun 21:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Good points. I will concede until more information becomes available. Crankdawg47 12:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Um there would be a point. Just because you could dual-wield it doesn't mean you have to have two of the same thing, You could have a sword and a plasma rifle or something. Doesn't make a lot of sense, but it's possible. 67.121.239.123 01:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dual-Wieldable Sword 

message: As a conformation, it is specified in the latest bungie.net update (http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12362) that the Warthog chaingun CANNOT be taken off the Warthog and used. However, in the most recent vidoc, it seems that the 'chain gun' that the player was carrying and operating was a type of human light turret similar to the one in Halo 2. 
This would make sense. In the Brute vidoc, we saw that the Brutes and the Elites can operate and carry light plasma turrets similar to those in Halo 2. 
This needs to be clarified in the article. 
71.198.200.94 07:52, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was one of the weekly updates in April. The new guides to the beta on the Bungie website say that you CAN remove the freestanding turrets from their mounts, but you CANNOT remove turrets from the Warthog. Ks7 02:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wieldable Turrets?  

message: Does anyone know the exact releae date? Please reply on my talk page. Thanks. Mawest11 16:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date 

message: Why does Giant Chicken redirect here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 162.40.71.50 (talk) 00:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giant Chicken 

message: Most of the references to bungie.net are broken. These either have to be fixed using archive.org links or they should be replaced by  tags. JACOPLANE • 2007-04-17 14:16
::Yeah, We really need to go through those links, find which ones and broken, and if appropriate, find a new, working link. Preferably from Bungie's site itself. Straight from the horses mouth so to speak. I'll do a bit now. RC Master 17:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bungie.net references broken 

message: The stuff about halo wars and the unamed project in the miscellaneous section has nothing to do with the features. It needs to be moved to its own section again.
: Its not really important enough to warrant its own section. That bit of information is really just a comment on the 'Is this the last Halo game' question. Which, it isn't. Perhaps it could be moved around however. RC Master 09:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Miscellaneous

message: :O I heard from a buddy who works at Hastings that their computers state the Halo 3 street date as November 1st, 2007. Anyone else who works at a game store chain such as this, can you confirm this? I've seen it with my eyes, but don't believe it. o.o Quadrius 15:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Stores typically come up with release dates based solely on speculation, and having that date on the first of the month usually signals that all they know is that they think it'll come out in that month (ie. November 1st means "we think November, though we have no legitimate proof"). Gaming websites do similar things like slating a game as January 1st, 2008 if all they know is that it'll come out in 2008. -- Viewdrix 16:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but if you think about it, the date makes sense, since Master Cheif's callsign is SPARTAN-117, and the date is 1/11/07.  The other prevaling theory is November 25th, for anyone wondering. Quadrius 19:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date Confirmed (?) 

message: In last months Game Informer of EGM (I cant remember)in the rumor section, they said another Halo game is in delevopment. It also said that its not Halo Wars or the game thats being over seen by Peter Jackson. Thats all that the article said. As soon as I get home from work Ill get for sure what magazine its in.Gundam9469.129.67.253 17:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Game 

message: Should it be meniton that this the very kast installmentSonicrules2 14:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. When they asked Bungie if there was more Halo games coming, they simply said "It is the last of this arch". Whether this means that Halo Wars is the only other one or if the Master Cheif will return, we aint sure.Wild ste 19:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final installment 

message: Please stop reverting the  link at the top. This has been discussed before in the archives at least once this month alone. Please see Halo numbers, Halo 4 (since Sept '06), Halo 9, Halo 16, and Halo 23. I think one small line at the top of Halo 2 and 3 is better than needing to redirect them all to the Halo disambiguation... also see WP:DAB#Top links. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 14:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Halo 3? Ask anyone in the world what that means and they will assume the third instalment of the most popular videogame of all time. Head Like a Hole? A fan looking for that song is near-certain to search for the song's actual title and not some obscure alternative name. How many fans does anyone really think are going to wind up at the Halo 3 page wondering who the hell this master chief character is? Also, if a NIN fan could shed some light on why some songs are called "Halo Whatever", that might go a long way to determining the legitimacy or otherwise of this debate. --ABVS 14:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are called that because Trent says they are. Example: Official NIN site. The actual CD booklets/cases say "halo_03" or whatever on every CD he's ever put out. :Template:Nine_Inch_Nails lists them, and it is a commonly known terminology among NIN fans - clicking the "purchase" link from the official site goes to Amazon, where a reviewer says "this is a worthy halo" and two of the three user lists at the bottom have "halo" in the title (ex. Nine Inch Nails: The Complete Halo Guide (1989-1997)). — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 14:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, the outcome of that archived 2-post discussion seemed to indicate that it was an inappropriate use of --ABVS 14:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There wasn't really a discussion there, and definitely no consensus or "outcome." — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 14:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quick indicator: search google for 'halo 2'. All results: the video game. Quick search: 'halo 3'. Guess what? Nothing about Nine inch nails! Just cause "Trent calls them that" doesn't mean that we have to have random slang names for everything. I call monkeys 'pokemon' sometime, does that mean I need a note at the top of the Pokémon page? Dåvid Fuchs (talk / frog blast the vent core!) 15:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can play the Google game too. "halo 3" "bungie" 822K results. "halo" "nine inch nails" 374K. That seems like a non-trivial number to me. The first Google hit shows the non-Halo 3 specific usage on the official website. It's not "slang." Halo 4 has been a NIN link since it was created. I suppose as soon as verifiable information about the next game comes out, you'd want to take over that article (which would be acceptable) but then say "no need for this  link." As I originally noted, a single line with a  surely isn't the end of the world. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 15:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I can see those pages exist, but I'd argue none of them need to either. I did a "what links here" test of a few various "halo" pages. Halo 2: many hundreds of links, none that I could find relating to NIN. Halo 3, ditto. Halo 4: four links, two of which were user pages, one NIN discography, and one being this talk page. Halos 5 and up mostly had only one link, being this talk page. The practice of referring to these songs by their "halo number" seems to be non-existent. Hence the opposition to cluttering up this article for the benefit of, it seems, no-one at all.--ABVS 23:15, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course what links here won't find anything - they're redirect pages, and it's bad style to link to redirect pages. And I didn't write those articles. I'm not the only one reverting the removals. Yet another example: I just got Year Zero today from Amazon: the only text on the CD besides random binary is "nine inch nails", "year zero", and "halo 24". — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 00:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The point of the "What Links Here" test was to demonstrate that almost no-one refers to the songs by their "halo numbers". However, everyone refers to The Beatles (album) as The White Album, and that is the reason it redirects over others - it is widely, almost universally used. It's not a legitimate comparison. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information and hence I believe it inappropriate to include these apparently extremely rarely used alternative names.--ABVS 10:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a very empty argument. There are no links with 'what links here' because experienced editors don't link to redirects. And as for WP:NOT, it's also not a video game guide, so by your standards I could delete the "List of confirmed elements" section of this article at a minimum. BTW, it is not songs; it is releases. The third release happened to be a CD single. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 10:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There you go, an official citation. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, therefore your argument fails. Nine Inch Nails refers to these by their halo numbers, and unless you happen to believe that Nine Inch Nails is not a good enough source, then that should be good enough. Also, to further point to my argument, even though White Album automatically goes to the beatles, there is still a link at the top for the white album disambig. WookMuff 11:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NIN is not a source that demonstrates widespread use of the name. ABVS 01:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So a band has no say in their album names? — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 02:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not saying that WP:NAMING doesn't apply. Of course it does. 99% of the people who go to "Halo 3" are looking for the video game. Which is why this page is about the video game, and there is a disambiguation line at the top saying "oh, btw, if you are not looking for the game but something else go here." Follow the link, you will see the same thing. Probably 80-90% of the people going to Head Like a Hole want to read about the popular NIN song. The remaining percentage might be looking for the band, so it simply says "This article is about the Nine Inch Nails single. For the band, see HLAH" So, yet again, you are quoting things that just don't apply in this case. If it were more than just the NIN release, there would then be Halo 3 (disambiguation) link there, where the Halo 3 name would stay with the game, as per WP:NAMING. I've never argued against that. And some day, Halo 4 will be the same way - since it is a minor way of referring to the NIN release, it will become a little  link as the rest of the article is about the video game. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 02:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Dunno why you think it is misuse, it's exactly what the template is for as I have discussed above ad nauseam. Since there's a discussion here and you just blatantly change things anyway, it's hard to not see your removal as vandalism. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 19:50, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently we need requests for comment.  We have one rogue user with a point to make ruining a perfectly good page on an important topic by attempting to confuse users about the meaning of the term.  I'm reverting your change per wikipedia policy on WP:NAMING and proper use of tl|for.  I'd venture to say that over 99.9999% of users searching for Halo 3 are searching for this article, not your pet naming scheme for NIN albums.  Oh, and the band is terrible, to boot.  ZG 23:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Way to keep it civil. Should I respond that I think the game is terrible? As noted, it's not my naming scheme, there are sources. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 00:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

text: We'll see if any of the other editors who have put it back will comment unlike above. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 00:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nine Inch Nails 

message: Seraphs are confimed as being in the game. Excerpt of script for a voice acting cameo. http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/23/scan0002.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.121.239.123 (talk) 00:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So uh, feel free to add that under Confirmed Elements, Covenant Vehicles. 67.121.239.123 18:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seraphs 

message: There's a map on the List of Confirmed Elements called "Last Resort", a re-make of Zanzibar (apparently), but it gives no reference. Should it be removed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.228.167.87 (talk) 06:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Since A: There is no viable source B: It is far from confirmed. RC Master 10:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  this isnt B.net, so i think we can discuss it and even post a link to it. i cant edit though. and yes, it is real. see -LINK REMOVED | DONT LINK TO LEAKED INFO -
Also there is another map called Epitaph that has been played in the internal beta.TroyDOMINATE 00:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Last resort"? 

message: i dont think that this is real. i think someone vandalized. im not a member, but could someone look into it? i went to the other article, and there was no reference to it being called Halo 3 other than one line that was probably added by the possible vandal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.194.153 (talk • contribs) 
:Scroll up three inches. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 20:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? cos you are a filthy vandal, apparently. Muhahahahahahahahahaha *sarcasm* :) WookMuff 21:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm positive our anonymous user friend's opinion represents that of nearly all users.  This is not what people are looking for when they search wikipedia for Halo 3, anymore than they are looking for monkeys when they search for Pokemon, as succinctly noted above.  ZG 23:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  For the Nine Inch Nails release known as Halo 3, see Head Like a Hole. 

message: On game trailers i herd the voice of sgt johnson and it was not the same as in the other games, should this be clarified in the article or should we wait for confirmation?
The same voice actor from the last games is confirmed. It is the same, but you heard it through a very static-filled radio, so it would sound different. Signed by Longshotz 12:44, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sgt Johnson

message: I went though and cleaned up all the ref tags. Some linked to dead Bungie pages (since they changed their website, many of the links were dead), so some previously citations are now uncited. ♦TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 19:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaned up references 

message: Halo 3 will use a true-skill rating, ranging from 1-50 as in Halo 2. Altough, now you will have a rank based on experience.The ranks will be similar to todays U.S. military ranks. These ranks will be similar to the ranking system found in Rainbow Six: Vegas and Battlefield 2: MC. You will start at an enlisted private and climb to the top as an officer and become a General.Kane R M 13:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranking Sysetm 

message: As far as I know, the box art for Halo 3 has not officially been released.  The image currently in place as the Halo 3 box art is usually used as a place holder on most retail sites (in fact, the image came from GameSpot.com).  I understand that Wikipedia is not a place for advertising, but could this be changed with something both attractive and official, such as the most recent official artwork found here?  This place holder image might be the most appropriate, but I thought I'd bring its possible change to discussion. Brent Butler contribstalk 14:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the sourcing on the image. That is official box art. Peptuck 15:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't question GameSpot's accuracy, but it's worth noting that Microsoft does not have the same box art in place on their Halo 3 page.  Microsoft put out a press release at one point that showcased the box art for the Legendary and Limited editions, but not the standard.  I'm guessing that the image used in the article and on GameSpot.com is indeed the correct box art, but I just can't find any concrete, "from the horse's" mouth source like Xbox.com or Bungie.net.  I also don't believe promotional artwork as I previously mentioned would be an appropriate replacement.  Brent Butler contribstalk 20:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: what about this one it also looks very likely as there is no art like it seen before and it has microsoft all over it 121.73.18.212 10:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Image? 

message: The multiplayer section states that players will no longer be identified by call signs instead of HUD emblems.  It is not clear what that means.  The wiki article for "call sign" (to which this article links) defines a call sign as a unique designation for a radio station.  So, what exactly is meant by call sign?  Will I be identifed as:
* My Xbox Live gamertag?
* An abbreviation of my gamertag, my initials, or some short sequence of alphanumerics that can be chosen by the player?
* WNBC, WXRK, or some other radio station call sign?
* Something else?
Snottywong 22:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Clarified it a bit. Its just one letter and two numbers, such as B45 or L13. ♦TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 22:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Call Signs"? 

message: I have a question... why does having the link there cause people to react negatively? People are saying "oh it isn't relevant enough" or "it isn't noteable". Does it make the article look worse? No. Is there a place for it per Wikipedia Guidelines? Yes. Does it really affect peoples day to day life if they have to look one line further down? I shouldn't think so. I am not a Nine Inch Nails fan, but I think that it has both relevance and notability, so I will fight for it. Now why are all the people who are complaining about it arguing? Be honest now... why is it such a terrible thing? WookMuff 04:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it make the article look worse?  Yes.  Is there a place for it in the wikipedia guidelines?  No.  Does it effect people's day to day life?  Probably not, but if there was a link to the singer George Michael at the top, or a really big picture of an apple pie, it wouldn't effect people's day to day life that much either.  We're talking guidelines and how we can make this article, and wikipedia, the most effective resource for readers.  However there are at least two users trying to make a Point.  We're trying to make a good article here and confusing, misleading information is not contributing to that.  It also hurts the Halo 2 article.  Be honest with yourself - is the fact that some NIN fans call the Head Like a Hole album "halo 03" enough to merit a link to it at the top of the Halo 3 page?  I'll think after some thought you'll realize, "definitely not." And in fact that is quite ridiculous. However, until RevRagnarok stops reverting the changes, we need third party arbitration, hence the RfC. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zac Gochenour (talk • contribs) 04:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Will you please sign ALL your edits, not just the occasional one. and how does it make the article ugly? It is noteable, it is citeable, it is accurate. I am not trying to make a point. I am trying to make wikipedia the most effective resource for readers. Their is a Metallica album called Metallica. Should it be not be linked to because most people out there call it "the black album"? WookMuff 08:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

text: ZG, when you put a reasonable example I will respond appropriately. There are no ridiculous pictures or any other far-fetched end-of-the-world things that you have claimed. As I've noted before, it's not just a fan thing, the spine of the CD case says it, the CD itself says it, the official websites say it, etc. Please explain why WP:DAB#Top links doesn't apply or why the 9,106 other articles that use  are so "ugly" and shouldn't also be removed (according to WP:AWB, that's the real number). — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 10:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that is what I was thinking... if it makes the article look "worse" then does that mean s/he has a problem with NIN links or the template itself? perhaps it is just a wikipedia beautification issue! WookMuff 10:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WookMuff, RevRagnarok give it a bloody rest already. The issue is up for RfC. What the hell is the point of continuing to voice your own (already well-voiced) opinions?--ABVS 13:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed.  I see this issue as extremely clear-cut, just as much as any other comletely unrelated and unnecessary link on any page.  I consider this link extremely far-fetched and irrational.  As I've said many times, just because an insignificant number of people call something by a certain name other than its actual name does not merit a link on the name of the actual page.  A small number of people worship Joe Pesci, but that doesn't mean there should be a  link on top of God for him.  The link is non-notable and misleading, and that is precisely what makes it ugly, not the template itself.  ZG 13:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The validity of your examples continues to elude me. If a notable band where to create an album named God, then it would be reasonable to list it on God (disambiguation). If a movie came out starring Joe Pesci were named God, it would also go on God (disambiguation). If he was in a a gaming-oriented movie called God mode, then there would be a  link at the top of that page because God mode (disambiguation) does not yet exist. That's what  templates are for - when there's only one alternate with no full disambiguation page. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 15:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My point is that this is not a viable alternate.  It has to be in use by enough people, in that form, so that a reader might come searching for "Halo 3" and really want "Head Like a Hole" and not the game.  I strongly doubt this has happened to any reader, much less a sizable enough number that not having the link generates more confusion than having it.  This is a blatant attempt to advertise NIN on a page that has nothing to do with it, and I'm confident a neutral third-party would agree.  The simple fact is that there is no viable alternative meaning to the term "Halo 3", or "Halo 2" for that matter, ergo, no need for the  template. ZG 15:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What's the issue here? Dont NIN themselves call it HALO_03, not Halo 3? Uh-oh, big flaw in the argument to keep it on the Halo 3 page.... well pointed out, ZG. Can this lame edit war rest now?--121.45.34.88 23:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is the link keeps getting put back on.  We just need more comments now to show how ridiculous it is to keep the NIN link.  The pro-NIN editors need to keep the link OFF until they get some actual neutral support for their asinine opinion.  It appears we're going to have to keep reverting WookMuff and RevRagnarok's edits, though, until we get them to give up.  We may need arbitration, because their inappropriate ads are bordering on vandalism, if not outright. I have already made the concession that they can link the "halo 03" or "HALO_03" or some variation of that syntax, but not "Halo 3."  Its inappropriate, violates wikipedia guidelines, and is just outright dumb.  There's no other way to describe it.  It can only be explained by rabid fanaticism and outright obtuseness/stubbornness.. Ah, welcome to wikipedia.  ZG 15:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

text: See that is absolutely ridiculous. How is it advertising? Why would Nine Inch Nails need advertising on Halo 3's wikipage? Have you heard of a little game called Quake, which is also "one of the most popular video games of all time", the soundtrack of which was completely created by either Trent Reznor OR NIN, I forget which. I am sorry but your reasoning is absolutely flawed. You really think this is a conspiracy by Nine Inch Nails fans to glom publicity off of an upcoming video game? Maybe if it was a link to say some NEW NIN song, something in stores now so people would go out and buy it, but it isn't. It is about a song that is like 17 years old. As the user User:Pomte summarized brilliantly above, it is a valid and accurate link and belongs on the page, in the place where wikiguidlines say it belongs. Assuming the user below isn't a joke, that is also an example that it isn't without merit. Someone who knows of nine inch nails, knows of the halo numbering system, but doesn't know their old work might use halo 3 to find out, lo and behold, what nine inch nails third release was. Glad you finished commenting. WookMuff 06:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please join me.--Yeti Hunter 07:23, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Har Har.
Unsigned comments with no context, I suspect sockpuppet due to the ridiculousness of the post.  Furthermore I'm done posting here on this topic; I will continue to revert the NIN advertisements, with respect to the 3RR, until someone judges on a consensus.  Oddly enough, unlike the NIN folks, I'm interested in this being a good article first and foremost, not making a point.  I hope this is all resolved by May 16, because I doubt any fans will be here to stick up for the game after that.. ZG 13:16, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  re: Head like a Hole 

message: The current screenshot at the top of the page is very unrepresentative of the game itself, and I think is quite misleading. There are plenty of normally rendered screenshots available, can't we use one of those instead? guiltyspark 08:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  screenshot 

message: There are a few new confirmed gametypes - Team Slayer, Big Team Slayer, VIP, and Team Crazy King, seen in the latest gameplay video by Bungie. However for some stupid reason it won't let me put the reference in, so here's the page you can download the gameplay video: . Watch it and look in the corner to see the game types. I think Team Crazy King and Big Team Slayer are only shown after the credits... --Ras29 11:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, its just that they were not on the list. I didn't mean that they were new gametypes, but they were newly confirmed. And no, I don't play much Halo, on Xbox Live anyway. --60.228.167.87 09:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Gametypes, but I can't put them in... 

message: The one that was with the two kids was shown once on TV, but a month after it aired, I saw it in a movie theater as part of the previews beforce a film. Edit article to reflect that even though it was on TV only once, it was showing in movie theaters?
:No, I don't think so - the main purpose of the ad was for it to be shown during the Superbowl. --Ras29 11:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Bowl Ad 

message: you think someone could put this article up to snuff with these vids?
http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/11443
http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/11415
http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/11436 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.114.219.84 (talk) 23:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I already have done a little but, adding some extra video links as well. but teh article still needs some updating in regards to new Beta information. RC Master 12:05, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lots of halo 3 video 

message: Why isn't the Spectre included on the Coverant vehicles list? Wikifan21century 23:56, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Spectre hasn't been confirmed yet, and while its likely to be in the game, its a list of confirmed elements. --Ras29 11:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I received a Friends and Family invite from Bungie and have played a few games.  I have yet to see a Spectre.  It should be noted that the Spectre was not a default vehicle on any map in Halo 2.  I would miss it if it was removed.  Brent Butler contribstalk 19:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spectre 

message: Since the beta is now out, can someone put up some in-game shots? X360 12:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Screenshots?

message: Bungie has announced the release date, see this posting on their website: http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12467 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.86.117.173 (talk) 14:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date of September 25, 2007 

message: I was witness to a angry mob of thousands of beta players who didnt get to play crackdown. I think we should write a sentence or two about the threads on the bungie.net forum, something about the fact that thousands skipped school/work to play the beta but were unable, and about Bungie's unresponsiveness. If any info about all these things is needed I can provide it.
:Jesus. In the venerable words of Church, you could bitch about anything. You missed a few hours of being priveliged enough to test the greatest game of all time ever, Bungie kick their arses to get it up and running well within 24 hours, and as an apology extend the beta by FOUR DAYS over a weekend so we get to play to our hearts content for many many many hours longer, and you thank them by accusing them of inaction and apathy... could you get any pettier? Struth fellas, lighten up.--Yeti Hunter 12:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I was trying to get it through their skulls to lighten up though. I was also a witness to the amount of irresponsible flaming and hate mail that they posted in Bungie's Forum. I was ashamed to be among them waiting for the Demo. There were a few individuals whom took the news of the whole bug issue more professionally than those who just posted "OMGZ THE DOWNLOADZ NOT WORKZ!" It is sad that this world now has people this childish. 24.226.195.58 13:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  was anyone else there for the catastro-fu*k last night? 

message: In the beta there is a glich, if you booted someone from a party of more than 6, then that player would go to a custom game, from there you could change the game type to juggernaut and change much more such as gravity, speed, starting weapons and much more. The players who have played custom matches would have the amount of custom matches they played underneath the list of how many social and ranked matches theyve played. However Bungie have said they might make a few changes to the game before it is released so it might not stay.
:We're trying to include only things that have been confirmed by Bungie and/or Microsoft to be included in the "Confirmed Elements" section.  There is mention of the custom games menu glitch and that things have been found there. ♦TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 23:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Juggernaut Gametype 

message: Should we mention this?OBEY STARMAN 13:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say no. Unless he actually gets somewhere with it. Hes not worth effort to type it in otherwise. RC Master 14:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack Thompson is going after Halo 3 

message: A bunch of new stuff has been officially revealed by Bungie in the latest issue of Game Pro magazine (issue 226/July 07) including a new equipment, names and descriptions of unrevealed maps, etc. LINK REMOVED. This stuff was given to them by Bungie so I think it can be listed under confirmed elements, but I'll leave it up to anyone else to add it here.  SeanMooney 08:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LINK REMOVED and LINK REMOVED Halopedia's Halo 3 article has some better images of the pages. I don't see anything wrong with including this information. If it's incorrect, it can always be changed after the issue comes out. ♦TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 17:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not so sure about this. I think we should at least wait until the issue has been released and not rely on copyright violating images on some forum. Nil Einne 13:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The information itself can be added, with appropriate cites to the magazine itself. But links to the images are blatant copyright violation. AT THE VERY LEAST, leave the links out until next issue comes out. Or wait, and we can get more easily citeable web references. RC Master 19:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a citation to the magazine itself. NO SCANS. Thats all that is needed. RC Master 12:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New stuff in Game Pro July 07 

message: Power-ups have not been officially confirmed by Bungie or Microsoft, but have only been found through the custom game menu that some people have managed to hack into. Although there have been power-ups from the previous games and in the Halo 3 beta (active camouflage, overshield), there has been no confirmation about a "yellow" power-up. it even notes that these options are found in the custom game options, which should be considered an illegitimate form of information since it was discovered through code Aznsamiam 02:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power-ups 

message: Has anyone else heard about this? I'm not sure how far this information has spread but apparently some modders have gotten access to the game code and have allowed you to play custom matches online. You can unlock the custom matches for your machine just by joining someone who has it already unlocked. You will be able to play custom matches until you restart your box. I would provide a screenshot but my buddies aren't online as of the moment. This should be added to the article, right?
Zikro 03:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a mention of it in the article. No need to post how to do it, Wikipedia is not a game guide. ♦TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 03:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't need to mod to do it. There are perfectly legitimate (although unintended) ways to create your own custom lobby in the Halo 3 beta. The Modding part only came before, when people were sifting through the code looking for clues. It isn't particularly of note though in itself, since custom games will be a standard feature of the release version. RC Master 19:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiplayer Custom Matches 

message: Not only is the countdown fan-made, it's too sensational, fancruft at its best, and unecyclopedic. Remove the link. --88.193.241.224 17:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The countdown stopped...001 012 034 053... so really..this thing is actually fan based??  What about that crazy IP : http://206.16.223.63/    I mean... personally I think these dudes are a little wacked.
208.148.206.42 14:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Countdown? 

message: I dunno if this has already been brought up, or I just dont know anything, but where did you get the radar jammer? its not in the beta and haven't heard anything about it LedZeppelin84 19:52, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aside from being in one of the leaked videos, it's mentioned in an upcoming GamePro issue. Check the reference. ♦TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 20:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radar Jammer? 

message: a new game pro magazine in the US has confirmed the existence of the radar jammer, a new equiptment which creates virtual enimies on a players motion tracker and makes the screen flash as is the player is under attack
a new brute vehicule, the brute chopper , a ghost like vehicule which looks like the motorcycle from hell and has two plasma cannons 
and three new multiplayer maps, shrine (huge dessert map, largest halo map to date), epitaph (forrunner cathedral) and last resort (zanaibar remake)
a new feature which enables you to customize the physical look of your armour in multiplayer dubbed "create-a-spartan" was also revealed
link : LINK REMOVED
That worm
: please don't post links. Its not needed on Wikipedia. We can just say it is in said issue without having to point to copyright infringing images. Its general enough imformation that a simple cite to the magazine itself would do. RC Master 13:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Which I have now done.RC Master 16:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  game pro magazine 

message: I have removed this because it is a trivial list of trivial in-game material. We do not list every element of a game; we give it a general overview. That seems to already be covered in the above sections, so there is nothing to keep. I have also cut packaging because it doesn't need to be covered in depth. TTN 21:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted mostly because this is a major change to the article that may stand some discussion before being removed. I know that there's WP:NOT, but is some randoms chmoe looking into the upcoming game takes a look at it, wouldn't he want to know what is in the game? Rather than outright removing the list, I say we should integrate its contents into a possibly more encyclopedic entry. Peptuck 01:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no way to integrate the information. It's all pointless junk. Everything important seems to be already covered elsewhere. And it really doesn't look like anyone is going to be discussing this. TTN 01:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The list is for a quick way to show what is new and what is returning for Halo 3, which is something lots of people want to know. By the time the game comes out (or close to that date) the list will be removed (if still there). I am aware that it tends to violate WP:NOT#INFO, however it's not there to be a game guide, as much as to tell people if what they want will be returning to the game. The list is still not complete, in any case. ♦TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 01:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Information presented should continue to be presented for the entirety of the article's existence (if it's deemed good in the first place). A temporary list to help people out because they're too lazy to search elsewhere is pointless. We don't present information or say "eh, why not" just because it would be useful (if it is against a policy or guideline). Otherwise, we would be presenting game guide material because we want to tell people what is in the game. TTN 01:31, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I plan on trying this again tomorrow if no concerns are raised (Today in the time Wikipedia uses.). TTN 01:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just, make sure you get any <ref> and <ref name> tags that originate in the list, if you do. ♦TH1RT3EN talk ♦ contribs 01:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: There is no way to use the information to constructively add to the article. At most, you'll be able to use them to give a couple of examples of characters or weapons, but they cannot just be converted. We supply the readers with a general overview of game elements instead of specifics. TTN 19:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of confirmed elements

message: You can customise a spartan and give him a new face mask , and armor.There are bubble sheilds pwoer drainer rader jamers trip mines as well. Some new veciales are the mongoose that is lake an atv, and a brute Chopper (very cool!). There is a spike rifle spike grenade missile pod its huge, chain gun smg spartan laser (get ready for soe halo laser surgery Master Cheif). All the info i am alowed to give for now rember add this to your article!
:It would be awesome if this "insider info" hadn't been leaked across the internet weeks or even months ago. Peptuck 01:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We know all of that already. Most of it is in the article infact. For a long time most of it. Hardly insider information. Oh, and I removed your unessary amount of "!" RC Master 13:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insider info add this to your aticle i work for bungie 

message: is that really the cover?--drumman8510 00:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the box art listed on Xbox.com, Amazon, EBGames, and Gamestop websites. For the ESRB it has the M rating instead of RP (rating pending) so it must be recent. Even though nothing is official I think this is the very likely to be the final one. SeanMooney 00:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cover

message: Please put THIS - http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12531 back in, or I'll have to do it myself next week. You guys got ONE week or that's it, I'LL DO IT MYSELF! 71.182.73.134 19:06, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Allright you moron, thanks to you this page is protected AGAIN. Wikifan21century 04:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Personal. Attacks. Peptuck 06:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Make an account and put it in, then, instead of yelling about it on the talk page. Peptuck 19:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A dire threat indeed.--Yeti Hunter 01:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Okay so why the hell did we take out the various packaging for HALO 3 in this article? 

message: I have simply added that other types will also be available in addition to CQB and EVA. Bungie stated this in the newest weekly update. http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12531 Shouldn't be a big deal, but if there is a problem with stating this, please let me know here. Crazyguy5150 03:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiplayer armor types 

message: Come on, they don't even get a mention PureLegend 22:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for the 3 SKUs to be added in 

message: I know we're all excited about the Adjutant Reflex thingy, but let's keep it under control here. Not every detail regarding what AR has posted needs to be said. Peptuck 23:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. The section about in the Halo 3 page is getting bigger than the actual article about it! RC Master 15:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Adjutant Reflex

message: Perhaps add that the Forerunner machine has icons and symbols that download info and images to your computer; they appear to be related to the first firing of the Halos.
Also, one of the symbols plays a video; the machine separates and part of the log is displayed.
Title of page is Server 05 open, this must mean data is around for the next set.
The text of the log, downloadable from a symbol, is this~ THIS IS MY FINAL ENTRY, AND I AM LEFT WITH ONE HOPE
THAT ONE DAY, SOMEONE, ANYONE IS AROUND TO WITNESS THIS WARNING
{//}
KNOW THAT A THOUSAND OTHER PLANS WERE TRIED AND FAILED
{//}
KNOW THAT ENERGETIC AND TENACIOUS AS LIFE IS
IT HAS AN ANTITHESIS JUST AS POWERFUL
IT IS THAT THING THAT WE MUST OBLITERATE
:Is this from the AR game or from Halo 3 itself? I am confused as to what you are trying to say, random user WookMuff 22:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is a transcript of the voice from the video on the iris website with the forerunner rotatable object, duh  WookieLord 17:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Iris

message: Is there a section or page for Halo 3 merchandising? You have the cat helmet, the FOX merchandising deal, and now these replicas. There should be a section or even a new article for Halo licensed products. JAF1970 19:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 1. Sign your entry. 2. There's a lot of merchandising in the entire Halo series, let alone Halo 3 (Zune, legendary edition stuff, figures, models, etc.). JAF1970 01:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merchandising

message: Is all that stuff needed? Not to mention there's informal instructions that don't belong there. JAF1970 22:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: STFU and GTFO please. 71.135.36.120 20:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that wasn't nice. David Fuchs 20:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  LOL JAF1970 04:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cluttered Iris section

message: Bungie update hints at vehicular game type They're either bringing back Rally and Racing gametypes, or they're making an official version of "Warthog Jousting". Rockets, infinite Ammo, Indestructible vehicles, and increased health would definitely do the trick, based on the options seen in the Beta's custom matches I'm not sure this is for inclusion yet, but it's definitely a coming feature that will have to be in the article in the future. JAF1970 04:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't that already in the article somewhere? But i can't find it at the minute... Perhaps not. I must be thinking of another x360fanboy link RC Master 12:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article alert