Talk:Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller

message: I added a few extra facts but essentially left this page alone, thinking it provided a succinct summary of a musically important writing team.--User:Daivd91
:That is okay with me. You're dismissed!--OleMurder 23:13, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits

message: Which spelling is correct:  "Leiber" or "Lieber"? Both appear. Is it pronounced LYE-ber or LEE-ber?
:"Leiber" is the correct spelling, and his name is pronounced LEE-ber. Laura Pinto 00:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: fwiw - both leiber and lieber are german words, leiber is pronounced lye-ber, lieber is pronounced lee-ber (leib=body, lieb=nice, cute).  getting the ie/ei spelling right seems to be close to impossible to english speakers.  Snottily 21:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify, while Snottily may be correct about German pronunciation, Laura Pinto is, regardless, correct about both the spelling and pronunciation of Jerry Leiber's name. Pstoller (talk) 21:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling and pronunciation

message: As WP has expanded, it's become increasingly unusual to have a single biographical article covering two unrelated individuals.  Should there be two articles - one on Leiber and one on Stoller?  On the other hand, have either of them demonstrated sufficient notability in their separate work as individuals?  I'm not proposing an answer, just raising it for discussion.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Examples: Ashford & Simpson, :Category:Musical duos, Leo and Diane Dillon, and :Category:Married couples. We can have an article about famous duos, as well as articles about them separately. these two have little notability separately i believe.(mercurywoodrose)66.80.6.163 (talk) 23:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Should there be two articles? - discuss

message: There should be available on Wikipedia somewhere an entire, complete list of all the songs they wrote. Kingturtle (talk) 16:51, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a link to Leiber & Stoller's official website. The site includes a discography that lists not only every song written by Leiber and/or Stoller, but also every recording of those songs known to Leiber & Stoller. Hopefully, that will be satisfactory.Pstoller (talk) 03:32, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Defining songs" is not enough 

message: It's ridiculous that these Wikipedia articles about famous songwriting teams don't immediately and clearly--a fortiori at all--state the nature of the collaboration. Did one of the two write lyrics and the other write music? If so, which? Did both contribute to lyrics and music? TheScotch (talk) 07:33, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Fixed in line 1. Pstoller (talk) 04:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nature of the collaboration? 

message: On February 21, 2015, an edit was created changing Leiber & Stoller from "American songwriting and record producing partners" to "Jewish American songwriting and record producing partners." While L&S are certainly Jewish Americans, they did not self-identify as Jewish with regards to their work, which they saw as being in a primarily African American tradition. (They did not approach songwriting from a Jewish tradition until they adapted The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz for musical theater in 1984.) Thus, I think referring to them as "Jewish American songwriting…partners" is, while technically correct, misleading in terms of culture. The biographical section begins by noting that they were from Jewish families; this strikes me as sufficient. However, as I lack personal distance, I'd like the input of other editors before reverting the edit. Pstoller (talk) 23:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - I'd missed that.  There is no good reason for including their religious/cultural background in the opening sentence per WP:BEGIN - as you say, it's not a sufficiently important factor in their notability, and it is mentioned in the article.  I've removed that link.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:08, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, much appreciated! Pstoller (talk) 03:20, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "American" vs. "Jewish American" 

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