Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)/Summary of Discussion

message: Leave the comma convention in place either with no exceptions or only the long standing exception for New York City.
*Comment The status quo would include the exceptions of Philadelphia and Chicago as well as New York City.  No matter what the guidelines say, there can always be exceptions.  --Serge 21:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment Unfortunately with the encyclopedia that anyone can edit you will always have "newbie" mistakes such as incorrect linking to DAB pages, forgetting to sign your talk page post or even adding unsourced materials to articles. With most newbie mistakes, experience and observing others is the best teacher. Agne 07:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status quo 

message: Follow the AP style sheet for a list of cities that do not need to adhere to the comma convention for article names.
*Pro.  Limited size list that is clearly defined. Vegaswikian 22:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AP style sheet as exceptions 

message: Follow the AP style sheet for a list of cities that do not need to adhere to the comma convention for article names unless they are not the primary use of the name (i.e., if the city name is on the AP list and the name alone currently redirects to the article about the city, use the city name alone as the title of the article).
*Pro.  Limited size list that is clearly defined. Vegaswikian 00:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AP style sheet as exceptions II 

message: State capitals do not need to adhere to the comma convention for article names.
*Con Some state capitals are ambiguous like Augusta, Maine & Salem, Oregon Agne 21:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  State capitals 

message: State capitals do not need to adhere to the comma convention for article names, unless there is an ambiguity issue (i.e., if the city is a state capitol and the name alone redirects to the article about the city, use the name alone as the title).
*Pro Simple, clearly defined list. --Serge 00:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  State capitals II 

message: Cities larger then a certain size do not need to adhere to the comma convention for article names.
*Con even large cities can be ambiguous and conflict with other cities Portland, Oregon & Portland, Maine. Agne 21:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  City size 

message: Cities with globally unique names do not need to adhere to the comma convention for article names.
*Con. Could require future article moves if the name is no longer unique.  Vegaswikian 23:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cities with unique names 

message: Places where the city name alone uniquely identifies the place in a non ambiguous way do not need to adhere to the comma convention for article names.
*Con apparently the level of primary use can be subjective see Vancouver & Vancouver, Washington and the Newark & Cork discussions. The kicker here in the "uniquely" part. If there was more establish guideline for disambiguation where there are other pertinent and important consideration in addition to just the "primary city", then it would be easier to support. Otherwise, this only allows continued subjective arguments, debates and move request. Agne 21:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cities as primary use 

message: Use city names alone for articles whenever possible.  Disambiguate with a type qualifier of (city) or (town) when the conflict is with a subject that is not a settlement.  Only use the comma convention for disambiguation when city name alone conflicts with another U.S. city name.
*Pro This is consistent with the naming used by the vast majority of Wikipedia articles, including the majority of city articles of other countries.  For examples, see Paris, Cork (city) and  :Category:Cities and towns in Moscow Oblast --Serge 23:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguate depending on ambiguity conflict, and only when needed 

message: The largest city by population in each state does not need to adhere to the comma convention for article names. 
*Con.  The largest city can change, so over time this would not be much of a standard. Vegaswikian 07:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest city