Talk:Equilibrium (2002 film)

message: "Gun Kata", which is a plot element in this movie, and has no other existence, is mentioned here in context. There is no need for a separate article, particularly not one which consists almost entirely of unfounded speculation and a lengthy quote from the movie. If you feel the subject needs more coverage, please do it here. -- The Anome 00:32, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. FiP 11:46, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

message: Just wondering if we have any references as to the T's assembled in a cross are actually a reference to what the article describes. The Tau (which is a cross shaped like a T) has been used by billions of people throughout history as a symbol of divinity, the triple Tau is seen in many symbols of Freemasonry and is still in use in contemporary culture. The quad Tau is likewise currently in use by various organisations, I just find it hard that something so steeped in mysticism would just be some crappy reference to a T model Ford. Jachin 17:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I always figured it was T for Tetragrammaton, and four of them because Tetra is four. I guess it's hard to divorce Huxley from any dystopia, but I don't think referencing the Model T from A Brave New World was his intent. -Falcorian 00:03, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding Tetragrammaton vs. Grammaton - it seemed to me that the Tetragrammaton was the overall organization, while Grammaton was used to refer to the clerics themselves (i.e., Grammaton Cleric 1st class vs. Cleric of the Tetragrammaton). And I highly doubt that alleged religious overtones were the reason why it received a limited release - as was pointed out elsewhere on the page, Kurt Wimmer said it was because Dimension didn't understand the film, had already made a profit from foreign pre-sales, and didn't see any reason for a wide US release. --Arabani 17:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The quadruple T cross

message: whoever wrote it, please take on other movie articles. Streamless 15:23, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excellent Synopsis 

message: I noticed that Equilibrium indeed appeared inspired by the novels mentioned here - but another also seemed possible.  The video game series "Syndicate" by Bullfrog had scenes containing the blimp with video screens alongside, also shown frequently in Equilibrium, as well as other cutscenes from the video games.  
It's likely a coincidence - how many different appearences can bland, futuristic, militaristic government controlled societies attain in the imaginations of film makers (and game makers)?
Still, did the inspiration from the Syndicate series come from the same sources as Equilibrium?  Or are they similarities in future societies design what caused the makers of these two titles to so closely resemble each other?
:Interesting.  The uniforms of the player's agents in Syndicate (or its sequel, Syndicate Wars, I can't remember which) closely resemble the uniform of a Tetragrammaton Cleric in Equilibrium.  I think you're onto something here.  --Estarriol talk 18:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kurt Wimmer stated in the DVD commentary that the cleric's uniform is based on that of a 19th century American deacon's frock. DVD Commentary Transcript --Arabani (Talk ∞ Contribs) 23:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As for the videoblimp, Blade Runner had one, advertising off-world colonies, if I recall correctly. Naphra 04:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equilibrium's inspirations 

message: I removed the tagline from the article because it had little if anything to do with the actual content of the movie. Seano1 22:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed tagline 

message: In the section "Trivia" it is mentioned that Libria's flag resembles the Nazi "Hakenkreuz" flag.
I would consider it worth mentioning that it actually looks almost identical to the "Kruckenkreuz" [1], which was the symbol of Austrofascism. 
A little sidenote: Austrofacism is often described as an example of clerical fascism, trying to strengthen the position of the Roman Catholic church in Austrian politics - while a long term goal of National Socialism was to replace Christian tradition by Nazi mysticism. This is an interesting fact because some aspects of Libria's political system do resemble clerical fascism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.223.113.26 (talk • contribs) 05:31, 2006 July 2  (UTC)
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotic_Front_(Austria)
:*I'd say the symbolic similarity is stronger than with the Swastika, and is worthy of mention in the article, intentional or unintentional as it may be. --Agamemnon2 07:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is already mentioned. The Cross Potent (), mentioned as being similar to the Tetragramaton symbol, is the same symbol as seen on that Patriotic Front flag. While the flags have similar symbols, the flags themselves are not very similar.<BR />—Asatruer 17:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm pretty sure the symbol is supposed to be the Tetragramaton. The resemblance to a swastika my have been a miss understanding between the designers off the flag and the director. The resemblance to a Cross Potent is almost certainly a quincedence. Seano1 20:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: The trivia bit was probably correct. Wikipedia itself says: "This rifle was used in the film Equilibrium but without a scope and with a modified handle such that it appears to be a shotgun" (Walther WA 2000 in popular culture). This is unsourced information though so I haven't readded it to the article. Pasi 19:23, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Scrap that. Found a source. Pasi 19:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WA 2000s, shotguns? 

message: : The scenario in Equilibrium is remarkably different - historical knowledge is widespread, due to frequent documentaries on the telescreens which explain historical events. It appears that, unlike the other states, the Tetragrammaton Council teaches an un-falsified (but incomplete) version of history, explaining the corrupt societies of the early twenty-first century and the Third World War, in order to explain why they have created the Librian civilization. This fact adds to the assumption that Librian society is relatively new, as the government is still obliged to justify its creation to its citizens. A study of the televised lessons shows that the positive aspects of the past are never mentioned -- only the horrific acts attributable to the senses (Caligula's impregnation and execution of his sister, the various wars that have ravaged the planet in man's ongoing quest to subjugate cultures other than their own, etc.) are ever described by Father in detail, leading to additional conditioning by which the Librians obediently continue to take their intervals and accept their society as the necessary sacrifice.
Are there sources for all this, or is this original research or description of one's own opinions? "It appears that" and "A study of the televised lessons" strongly imply that this is. I'm going to take it down after some time if no sources are presented. I particularly object (if original research) to "Librian society is relatively new, as the government is still obliged to justify its creation to its citizens", "only the horrific acts... are ever described by Father in detail, leading to additional conditioning". Naphra 19:56, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The film's fight sequences have been described as very similar to The Matrix series. This is inaccurate. Whereas The Matrix series makes extensive use of wire work, with the characters performing superhuman feats, Equilibrium uses no wires. Equilibrium also does not use the bullet time effect employed in The Matrix. Equilibrium's Gun Kata does not appear in The Matrix.
Perhaps this just means that these characteristics are not significant when comparing the fight sequences? And where have such claims of similarity been made? Naphra 18:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research? 

message: Where did you find the information that the photograph shown in your synopsis of the film is meant to illustrate Libria in 2072?  I don't remember anything in the film that actually indicated a specific year.  In fact it was very clear not to mention time, date, or location.  Much was left to the imagination.  Please direct me to the place in the movie where this information is imparted.
Mary T.
: I think the article is need of a major rewrite anyway, there's a lot of irrelevant extrapolation in it currently. Naphra 20:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do we know the picture shown is Libria is 2072? 

message: :This should be incorporated into the article or deleted.  See WP:TRIV  John Reaves 00:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: There were no references in this section, which reeked of original research and all manners of POV. Hence, it's gone. --83.109.239.219 03:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi claims