Talk:Embrace, extend, and extinguish

message: Microsoft bought Mojang, the makers of Minecraft, then created bedrock edition, replacing the existing console editions, and only supporting Bedrock running on Windows (Bedrock cannot run on Linux or MacOS natively, in fact Bedrock for Windows is called Minecraft Windows 10 edition)
The bedrock ecosystem is much more tightly controlled by Microsoft than Java Edition or even the legacy console editions (pocket edition had modding, Bedrock only has weaker “behavior packs”)
And now, they’re further enforcing control. There’s evidence they deliberately kept the community in the dark about chat reporting. And the chat reporting system provides no new tools to server owners, it only allows for Microsoft to further control the ecosystem.
This whole thing is a right mess, and I don’t have the energy to write about it now, but I highly recommend looking into this situation if you’ve been lying attention to Microsoft’s strategy before.
Also concerning is Microsoft’s new embracing of Linux and Open Source tech. People think the license of Linux and open source projects protects them, but there’s a lot Microsoft and other companies (for example Red Hat and Canonical, see also systemd) can do to homogenize the Linux ecosystem even without direct control. 
Concern is warranted in general and the article ought to reflect these concerns. 70.250.118.222 (talk) 18:17, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chat reporting in Minecraft, another recent example? 

message: This article isn't a general article about Microsoft and Linux; it's an article about a very specific term (and to a lesser extent the behavior described by that term.) If we're going to say that Microsoft no longer does this, we need a source saying so specifically, which neither of the cited sources support. One of them only use the term "embrace, extend, and extinguish" in passing as a summary of how Microsoft is viewed, mostly just consists of some quotes, and didn't support anything in that paragraph; the other one doesn't use the term "embrace, extend, and extinguish" or anything comparable at all and seems to have been used in an WP:OR / WP:SYNTH sort of way. --Aquillion (talk) 17:41, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't prove a negative (e.g. that something doesn't happen) and it's hard to find references which explicitly say something *doesn't* happen, but at the same time it is an important piece of context here, and that it's a historic term is also obviously the case, but now it's no longer clear from the article (at least not explicitly, although it is implicitly by using past tense). I feel this is far too strict of an interpretation of the guidelines, and an example where it impedes the usefulness and informativeness of an article. Arp242 (talk) 18:06, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead paragraph about how Microsoft has changed 

message: I think that the Strategy section of the article needs changing. It is too difficult to understand, even for technically well-versed individuals. A more suitable alternative would be something along the lines of "Support a competing project by creating an extension of that project that is inherently incompatible with the original. Once the new variant receives wide adoption, the original standard is discontinued due to not being compatible with the new standard." Smochort11 (talk) 16:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to edit/improve it. Arp242 (talk) 10:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Changes To "Strategy" Section 

message: Under Examples by Microsoft, the final point named Unix/Linux is out of place. This list is meant to show examples of EEE, there is no evidence to support that this is an example of that yet. They've embraced Unix/Linux, and I think it's fair for individuals to suspect the rest may come, but so far, there are no sources to indicate they've extended it nor plan to extinguish it.
Would it be fair to remove this point? Sethiiii (talk) 13:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it; I agree it doesn't make much sense. SFU was from a time when every Unix was incompatible with every other Unix, so that's hardly surprising, and it was always a very niche feature few people used, mostly intended for people migrating from Unix systems to Windows. Arp242 (talk) 03:00, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose removal of Unix/Linux example 

message: More details in the post at: https://ghuntley.com/fracture/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.6.30.20 (talk) 14:41, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible new example: IDE editor (VS Code) 

message: "Below, we dive deeper into Google's track record of what appears to be an Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish model. The company has continuously built and extended their products around the free and open RSS protocol to gain user trust, only to then remove RSS support once they've locked users in, and ignore any complaints or requests to restore it. Not only is it a blatant disregard for RSS and a huge disappointment to those who use it, it poses one of the biggest threats to the freedom and openness of the internet."
https://openrss.org/blog/how-google-helped-destroy-adoption-of-rss-feeds Berebi (talk) 21:03, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google helped destroy adoption of RSS feeds