Talk:Graphic novel

message: I've removed the link to a short essay in Italian about the graphic novel. The English translation, to which it should have linked, appears here. It appears to be only partly translated — the latter part remain in Italian. More problematically, we have no idea who author Nicola Andreani is or what his credentials are. The essay itself doesn't really add anything to the information already here. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, Nicola. I appreciate your coming to the talk page for discussion. Please remember to sign your posts by using a dash followed by four "tildes" (the ~ symbol). I have two questions. First, what does your essay say that is not already said in the article? Second, is there anything on your website that indicates your professional or academic or other sort of authoritative background in the field of comics. This seems to be a fan site, and that's fine — many fans know the subject very well, and fan sites are often used as ELs. But given the level of authorship, footnoting and external links already here, these are both factors. Also, it is very iffy for a person to add their own essay as a link — this makes it seems like self-promotion. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:15, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Italian external link

message: Could someone who might know more about it add the 1972 comics album Misty, by James McQuade to the early modern years section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.80.3.195 (talk) 20:02, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misty 

message: After looking at inside pages of this 1941 book here, it's clear that though it's been described as "comic strip-like," that's only true in the Prince Valiant sense: Like Jim Steranko's illustrated novel Chandler: Red Tide, this is little different from any other children's book: A picture per page with text accompanying it. Without a cited authority making a case for this as being in any way anything different from an ordinary children's book vis a vis the graphic novel, its inclusion is simply a POV original-research claim. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:39, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Calico the Wonder Horse''

message: * "Costa book awards: the comic contenders", Rachel Cooke, The Guardian 20 November 2012
"More on this story" now links 3 other articles: "The graphic novel's spectacular rise: from kids' comics to the Costa prize", "Two Costa nominations isn't the full picture for comics", "Costa book awards 2012 shortlists first graphic works". --P64 (talk) 03:30, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2012 recognition, ''The Guardian'' coverage 

message: If someone can get ahold of this book, it would be a good source for this article. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:19, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''The Graphic Novel: An Introduction'' 

message: There's a discussion currently taking place at WP:NFCR#File:Watchmencovers.png regarding the use of this non-free image in the article. The concern is that the image is simply being used for identification and not as the subject of critical commentary per "Cover Art" in WP:NFCI, particularly WP:NFC#cite_note-2. All interested editors are welcome to participate in the discussion and provide further clarification as needed. Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly (talk) 14:17, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-free use of [[:File:Watchmencovers.png]] 

message: It is unclear in this footnote if the prose after the cite itself is quoting from Amazing Heroes or is uncited essaying. I would ask anon IP 213.10.112.233 to respond.
*Amazing Heroes, issue 160, March 1989, "Special European Issue!". Having fallen out of favor, the term "Eurocomics" might be misconstrued as derogatory in current understanding, due to its connotations with the popular slang expression "eurotrash" which is derogatory. However, quite the opposite was true at the time, as it was intended by American critics as a means to differentiate European comics from their American counterparts, underscoring the more mature qualities of the former. Graphic novel has become the generally used expression for what once had on occasion been referred to as eurocomic.
--Tenebrae (talk) 19:36, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Question about a citation

message: Comic book (tebeo el Spanish and gibi en Portuguese): comic magazine, with one or more complete histories or miniseries compiled or isolated or comic strips, charges or cartoons compiled. Etymology (comic book): from the American English, comic book, name given to the first comic magazines in English to be very similar to books, where comic is the alternative spelling of comics and book is tome. Etymology (tebeo): from the Hispanic Spanish, TBO, name of an old infantile comic magazine, whose name was a phonetic adaptation of the expression Te Veo, I see you in English and Eu vejo você in Portuguese. Etymology (gibi): from the Brazilian Portuguese, Gibi, name of an old infantile comic magazine, whose name was a folklore slang, brat or little black.
Graphic novel: comic tome with one or more complete stories or miniseries compiled or isolated or comic strips, cartoons or cartoons compiled.
Fanzine (fanzine even in Spanish and Portuguese): magazine made by amateurs, containing several themes, among them, the comics themselves, science fiction texts, music, poetry and other things. Etymology: from the American English, fanzine, fanatic + magazine, fanatic + revue.
Saviochristi (talk)
* The lead makes it very clear that "graphic novel" and "comic book" are differentiated terms. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:56, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Observation: the graphic novel isn't a type of comic book, right this, please!

message: After reading about the idea of what a graphic novel, I found that there isn't a real fine line for it. It just seems to be a type of comic style that's more towards a more mature audience. It interesting to see how graphic novel and comic bled into each other and now formed what we know is superhero comic books. It goes through the history of American and European and the comparison of how each of them sees it differently. What I feel like the article needs articles about the influence of Asian, African and other graphic novels.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.51.93.140 (talk) 01:26, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reading Response to Graphic Novels  

message: Let me introduce you to Giannina Braschi who wrote "United States of Banana" (a book) and some other stuff, including poems.  She's adding her book and herself all over Wikipedia. 
Giannina Braschi wordpress personal page states that her book "United States of Banana" would be made into a graphic novel by an artist in 2017.  As of now, it's release has been delayed - set to be released in 2021.  Her personal wordpress is here:  https://gianninabraschi.wordpress.com/2017/04/30/new-release-swedish-comic-book-of-united-states-of-banana/   She's been promoting her book by adding it all over Wikipedia. I think this should not be on this article since the "graphic novel" of Giannina Braschi's United States of Banana doesn't even exist yet. 
Mentioning this author here with a book that is to be co-authored, that isn't even published yet gives UNDUE WP:WEIGHT and is WP:PROMOTIONAL to Giannina Braschi.  What about, for example, all the other latinx writers recommended by this library that are not mentioned in this wikipedia articlle - who already have graphic novels published? --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 01:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The book by Giannina Braschi is not a graphic novel, it is a book. 

message: This page is mostly about the terminology. The terminology debate should be shortened by at least half. Most of the article should be about the substance, which is the graphic novels. 150.108.60.12 (talk) 22:55, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: And even the opener says "not to be confused with Comic book", when it is very much to be "confused" with comic books. They are at most shaded versions of each other, and there are many cases which are at least arguably both. --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:06, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The article seems a bit unclear of whether to interpret "graphic novel" as a publishing form or literary genre, or both, I think. And it gets even more confusing and muddled when it tries to compare with the situation in other European countries. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 14:29, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page is mostly about terminology 

message: There have been repeated attempts to link a reference to the book The Complete Idiot's Guide to Creating a Graphic Novel to a scan of the book hosted online. As one of the authors of that book, and a copyright holder in it (all rights held by the publisher were reverted to the authors), I can tell you that that copy is not licensed. Per WP:COPYVIOEL, that URL should not be reinserted. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:24, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violation link 

message: At the moment, the infobox uses a picture of a relatively recent edition of A Contract with God. Would not this cover, from the original year of release, better represent Eisner advancing the term when it was not in common usage? -- Nat Gertler (talk) 16:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Choice of cover image 

message: For some reason, the opening sentence says that a graphic novel must be fictional. The second sentence claims that applying it to non-fiction is controversial... and does so without any sources. The closest thing I can find to anything supporting this in the article is a quoted Merriam-Webster definition... but if you follow the source listed, you'll find that the definition makes no claim about it being fiction, merely a "a story that is presented in comic-strip format and published as a book." (That "story" requirement may knock out, say, Understanding Comics, but not March, Maus, Persopolis, etc.) That definition has been in place since at least September 2017, and even the prior definition does not require "fiction". I'm not going to edit it myself due to a slight WP:COI (one of the sources used in discussing the term is my writing), but can someone else review this concern and change the opening sentences (as well as the later M-W citation) if they agree? -- Nat Gertler (talk) 20:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "fictional"