Talk:Diphthong

message: need help getting the other language dipthongs identified
: making progress! nice to see some Asian Language dipthongs!
:: Well, I believe Korean has some diphtongs, as might certain Chinese dialects/languages, but I think Japanese lacks true diphtongs. Not sure about the Indian languages.
:::Korean, Cantonese, Mandarin, and Japanese all have true diphthongs. I'm not sure about other Chinese languages, though. Anybody who tells you that Japanese doesn't have diphthongs either doesn't understand what the term means, or is going by some extremely idiosyncratic definitions.
::::I would presume that the poster above meant that Japanese has no phonemic diphthongs, which is different from it having no diphthongs phonetically at actual realization.  This is similar to how, say, most NAE dialects only have three diphthongs /aɪ/, /aʊ/, and /ɔɪ/ (or equivalent) phonemically, and yet they have plenty of other diphthongs phonetically, such as [eɪ], [oʊ], and just any combination of [j] and [w] and a following nucleus vowel possible. -Travis 11:31, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If phonology were that Orwellian, the field would collapse in on itself.  If we stick to sourcing, I think we'll be okay. — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 22:21, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

text: It looks like you've already got a conversation going about diphthongs in Japanese at Talk:Japanese phonology.  You should probably stick to it there.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 08:12, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Help getting more diphthongs

message: Here is a fairly good description of diphthongs in the Italian language (sorry it's in Italian ...) http://www.italicon.it/modulo.asp?M=m00199&S=4&P=5
:Thers's nothing to apologize for.Cameron Nedland 16:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Italian diphthongs

message: I have changed many things in the wiki article since it was a bit confusing. Besides, "seem" in English is mainly pronounced with a long vowel (often with a diphthong), so I changed the example with "sum", which has always a short and stable vowel.
Carnby
84.222.53.158 14:36, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Various changes

message: Not all phoneticians agree that semivowel+vowel combinations should be considered as diphthongs, e.g.: see Canepari on Italian diphthongs.  According to this author, there are many fewer diphthongs in Italian than shown here, since semivowels are not proper vowels, so they can't be part of diphthongs.
Something about the different definitions of diphthong in use or having been used historically should be included here.
FT77 00:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing to consider is rhyming.  In English, "yet"  and "wet"  have the semivowel+vowel combination and speakers will tell you that they rhyme.  However, in Spanish "diego"  and "fuego"  do not rhyme (at least, according to the native speakers I've asked so far). AEuSoes1 20:21, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This may be because intuitively ie is considered a pronunciation spelling of what is "somewhere below really" /e:/ while ue is /o:/, and e and o of course do not rhyme. (Which foreign speaker of the language, when trying to speak it at some speed, hasn't yet found it useful to pronounce both Spanish "bueno" and Italian "buono" in a surprisingly monophthongic, Latin way?)--2001:A61:260D:6E01:10B0:73BB:127F:9B7D (talk) 01:19, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

text: No, it's there.  " as in Maus" AEuSoes1 01:50, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

text:  what is missing is ui (even if it only appears in "hui" and "pfui").  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4359:2BA0:F84D:1D33:CE51:2C9D (talk) 11:28, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semivowels(=semiconsonants) in diphthongs 

message: Isn't the word also spelled: Dipthongs. I have seen it like this before, and I think it should be listed as an alternative spelling. → J@red talk+ ubx  02:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The convention is to transcribe greek φ as ph and θ as th to indicate that the word is (prescriptively) pronounced with a labiodental and interdental fricative respectively.  I've never seen it spelled in official circles other than phth unless it's in another language.AEuSoes1 10:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I belong to a linguistics message board and I've seen all three spellings (phth, pth, pht) often enough. I'm pretty sure it's just because people find this unusual cluster confusing. The "phth" spelling is the only one with dictionary recognition, and the other two should be considered aimply as mistakes. 84.70.24.137 23:03, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen the spelling dipthong, and that is also how I pronounce it, along with some other people I know.Cameron Nedland 16:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An example of dissimilation. —Tamfang (talk) 03:23, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

text: I think "dipthong" is just a common misspelling (and an even more common mispronunciation).  Perhaps the pronunciation is common enough to be acceptable or "correct", but I don't think the misspelling is.  If it is, Wikipedia will need to add "accomodation" (an extremely common misspelling) to all the articles about accommodation, too! -86.137.136.182 18:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

text: In any case, a consensus needs to be reached on which spelling to use. Right now it randomly switches between them with no explanation. The first word of the article doesn't even match the article title, which is quite amusing. 138.210.6.26 (talk) 23:05, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: in all seriousness, do you guys pronounce this word DIP-thong or DIFF-thong? KɔffeeDrinkerMcVonn 03:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the correct pronunciation is diff-thong.  I say it dip-thong and it gets on my nerves when I hear people say it correctly. AEuSoes1 04:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: hehe. aight, cool. I'v always said (and always heard, I'm 90% certain) "dipthong", even from a legit linguist or two. now, monophthong- that's a funky string of phonemes right there. KɔffeeDrinkerMcIzzl 04:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say DIP-thong (as in 'chips and "dip"', and 'that girl is wearing a red "thong"')Cameron Nedland 16:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Noone forces us to speak the th in a modern Greek (and English) manner. "Diftong" and "monoftong" do the job just fine. If the t is aspirated, as it is in English, so much for the better.--2001:A61:260D:6E01:10B0:73BB:127F:9B7D (talk) 01:21, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  dude 

message: This article should explain as I believe to be the case, the American removal and ignor-ance of the diphthong as the cause of the American mis-pronunciation of words like Paedophile, because they spell it Pedophile. Why say wikipeeedia, but not peeedophile?
:That has to do with language change in Latin and Greek before such words were ever borrowed, not ignorance.  Greek-derived words with ae were never pronounced as diphthongs in English and the British certainly don't pronounce it any differently than Americans.  See here for more. AEuSoes1 13:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope.  Spelling has no bearing on pronunciation.  What is the difference between the way she says it and the way you say it?AEuSoes1 01:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Both pronunciations are "right" for the people who say them. The difference is just one of the many differences between American and British pronunciation (we say tomayto and you say tomahto and at least some Canadians say tomatto, but we all spell it the same way). User:Angr 20:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems British (RP at least) are more inclined to say 'ee' /i:/ where Americans would say 'eh' /ε/. Think of 'evolution', 'leverage', et aliæ.Cameron Nedland 16:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I get what he's saying here - the "paed" part, which is pronounced "peed" was changed in AmE into "ped", and the pronunciation followed. I'm not saying one is more correct than the other, but it's clear which came first. But, this doesn't have anything to do with dipthongs, so I don't know what it's doing here. -- Boothman /tɔːk/ 19:20, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  Isn't that ae part of paedophile a diphthong or have I completely misunderstood? Also, is a diphtong an example of a digraph that only contains vowels or vowel sounds? What is the difference between a diphthong and a digraph? --Spuzzdawg (talk) 11:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Diphthong and digraphs aren't really related to each other.  Digraphs have to do with letters and diphthongs have to do with sounds.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 17:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Pedagogue, pederast and pedant are all from the same Greek root (through Latin) yet are pronounced with ped- and not "peed-" in British and American English, as far as I'm aware.  I would suggest that the British pronunciation is an affected form based on the Latin spelling (or French pronunciation) and not the other way around - it's a relatively new word (see also paediatric) so the British have a 'learned' pronunciation whilst the Americans fit the new words into the existing analogy.  Psammead (talk) 20:33, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  eg Pedophile 

message: This article has a serious omission: the Danish diphthongs that are, in fact, additional 'letters' in the Danish alphabet. Has anyone the expertise to add this section? I could only do so in an amateur sort of way. - Ballista 05:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danish diphthongs 

message: Some recent additions to the section on Portuguese are wrong. I have tried to discuss this with the user who made them, but he seems to have gone away, so I am going to revert them. FilipeS 21:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Portuguese diphthongs

message: This may seem silly for this entry, but I know that in [King's Quest VI: Heir Today, Gone Tomorrow] Diphthong is personified as a little creature that say a nonsensical diphthong. I also recall the term being mentioned in a movie, but I can't recall what movie (The Pagemaster, maybe?). BrainRotMenacer 04:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's pretty off-topic.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 05:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As is every single other "references in popular culture" section, I presume. Yet it still exists all over the place. BrainRotMenacer 02:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I disagree.  Pop culture references to, well, any piece of art (whether it be musical, literate, or canvas) is much more relevant than references to a scientific term.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 06:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References in Popular Culture 

message: Hi. In Polish Wikipedia I've added graph that presents a glide from one vowel to another in English diphthongs. See on the right: .
--Krzysztofpawliszak 23:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice, thank you very much!Cameron Nedland 00:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish diphthongs and GRAPHIC slide of EN diphth 

message: While ordering the languages alphabetically is a good idea, I think it might be beneficial to present English diphthongs first (and then the rest alphabetically) readers are likely to be most familiar with the English language and using English diphthongs as the first set of examples can help readers, especially those unfamiliar with phonology, to quickly grasp the concept.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 05:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally like the status quo, but do whatever you want.Cameron Nedland 14:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of languages

message: It seems to me there could be three (or even four) ways to pronounce this word:
* Dip-thong
* Dif-thong
* Daif-thong
Obviously "dip thong" is the one that comes into your head when looking at the word, "diff thong" is the most likely pronunciation and "daif thong" is a pronunciation that stems from "di" (rhymes with pie) as in two (mono, di, tri). That would mean triphthong was pronounced traif-thong. Does anyone have any sources for which is correct (if any)? And should it be included in the article?-- Boothman /tɔːk/ 19:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The third is not a plausable pronunciation because phth is a consonant cluster.  Most dictionaries list the first two pronunciations although I prefer the first because two fricatives together is so unEnglish..  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 22:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dif-thong is the most traditional and most "correct" pronunciation (from a prescriptivist point of view).  I've never heard of daif-thong. 18:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard it pronounced that way. I'm none too clear what a dipthong is, anyway, since half the examples given are just plain ordinary vowels, and half are two-syllable combinations with a hiatus, 173.66.211.53 (talk) 00:22, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation  of Diphthong 

message: This page is utterly biased towards european languages.  Many other languages have dipthongs too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.145.252.28 (talk) 
:Then include them.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 19:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most native English speakers tend to only know European languages (if they indeed know any foreign language), so it's not purposeful exclusion of non-European languages.18:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but there's no current reason why we can't include, say, the diphthongs of Vietnamese, Cambodian, Yanesha' etc.  The phonological description of these languages on Wikipedia is fairly apt.  If you look at the consonant and vowel pages like close front unrounded vowel and alveolar nasal, you'll see there's still a greater number of European language examples, but there are still actually non-european examples present.Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 19:50, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: European bias

message: I made a table to show a comparison of English dialects so we could see them side by side.  Perhaps, rather than sectioning off the languages and listing the diphthongs repeatedly we could have a table that has a list of common diphthongs, languages that have them (with examples) and then languages that have unusual or rare diphthongs can be discussed as well.  Here's a crude example
       	ai    	ai    	au     	au     	oi   	oi   	eu    	eu
Arabic 	šayṭan	šayṭan	mudawla	mudawla	     	     	      	
Finnish	laiva 	äiti  	lauha  	lauha  	poika	poika	leuto 	leuto
Italian	avrai 	avrai 	pausa  	pausa  	voi  	poi  	Europa	feudo
What do you guys think? Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 00:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: table

message: Hi there, do you have sources  for those diphtongs. In France there is a religion that diphtongs dont exist anymore in modern french, except within some dialects like canadian french ! .... I am try to discuss this theory in the french wikipedia page and I am quoting this article but with some sources it would have more weight... stefjourdan at caramail.com or user motunono on fr.wikipedia  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.173.190.18 (talk) 03:03, August 21, 2007 (UTC) 
:The understanding I have about French is that either French has diphthongs (i.e. complex nuclei) or it has vowel + semivowel combinations.  I can't really help you on sources though.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 03:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  sources for the french diphtongs 

message: In standard Netherlands Dutch, /e/, /ø/ and /o/ are diphtongues as well, more like /ei/, /øy/ and /ou/ (see Dutch phonology page). I'll included them with a footnote, anyone disagree? EDIT: ok, done, tell me what you think. Jalwikip 09:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch diphtongs 

message: I think we should create a 'diphthongues in different languages' page, to keep the linguistic stuff apart from the examples. Otherwise this page is going to grow and grow, the actual definition becoming only a very small part of it. Also, I think it would be nice to include diphthongue graphs for each language then, most are available from the respective phonology pages. Jalwikip 09:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be a better idea if we just agree on some sort of criterion for limiting the number or type of examples.   Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 21:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diphthongues of language X 

message: Since this article is cross-linguistic, I thought it important to be precise phonetically. To that end I've converted the entries from phonemic to phonetic transcription, and attempted to rigorously distinguish semivowel from approximant. Yes, I know that not all phoneticians make that distinction, and that even if they do, it is not important for many of these languages, but it *is* relevant when comparing languages. And many of the examples were written as hiatus, which is confusing if you don't know the language. I'm sure I made a few (ha!) misteaks. Latvian needs serious review—there were 52 diphthongs, when the Latvian article says 6! Also, I don't what to do with some of the odder Germanic diphthongs. When there is a length mark at the end, is that for the final component, or for the diphthong as a whole? We need to add the semivowel diacritic and perhaps move the length diacritics. kwami (talk) 22:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Or one could simply state at the introduction of the article that the diacritic for semivowel is omitted, and that all vowel-vowel combinations are to be read as diphthongs, not as constructs with hiatus. Of course this does not specify yet whether the forst of the second vowel is the unstressed/semivowel constituent, but that could be addressed on a per language basis. Szabi (talk) 08:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this is an encyclopedia, I think we should at least transcribe diphthongs as diphthongs in the article on diphthongs. kwami (talk) 10:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So are we not then distinguishing between phonetic diphthongs and phonemic ones?  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 13:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We should. You can get an indeterminate number of phonetic diphthongs in rapid speech, to the point that it is sometimes almost meaningless to discuss them. If you mean the bracket notation, we can use a broad transcription that only distinguishes phonemes. Once we use slashes, we are no longer dealing with pronunciation, which can be problematic. Or do you think we should take a different approach? kwami (talk) 14:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just thinking of diphthongs that are a) the result of allophonic processes like with Spanish (that is, the regular diphthongs plus that of maestro) and Catalan b) allophones of other diphthongs as with Canadian English's extra two.  Currently, the section on Spanish says "the phonemic diphthongs are..." and then lists them with brackets.  Should we change them back to slashes in at least some cases?  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 02:54, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I've been blanket converting foreign pronunciations to bracket transcription. Slashes are fine as long as we link to the phonology of the language (which we mostly do) so that the values are defined. kwami (talk) 07:49, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  semivowels vs approximants 

message: I just removed some non-existing diphtongs from the Latvian section. All the deleted examples are loanwords and their vocals are hardly pronounced as diphtongs. The example "souls" is also a loanword, I'll try to think of an inherited word to replace it. I will also try to look up the correct IPA transcriptions, I think the [uo] in "ruoka" should be [uɐ], and [iɛ] in "iela" should be [iɐ]. Mjbjosh (talk) 15:50, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a source that backs up the Latvian section, that would be great.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 19:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Interesting then why in other languages the sound combinations [ja], [je], [wa], [wo], [ea], [oa] etc. are considered as diphtongs (see diphthong#Italian, Spanish, French, Icelandic and other), but the same sounds in Latvian are not diphtongs. Double stardards??? 'Roberts7 22:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

text: thanks! kwami (talk) 19:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Actually, that almost completely contradicts what we have. I'm just deleting the section until we know what we're talking about. kwami (talk) 19:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

text: If they're anything like Lithuanian, then they may not be diphthongs at all, but simply vowel sequences. kwami (talk) 23:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Latvian

message: Could someone check the greek spelling of "dipthong" at the begining of the page? The transliteration is written as "Diphthongos" but the actually greek, as written, would be pronounced, if i'm not mistaken, "diphthogos." There is no nu in the greek spelling of the word so one of these must be incorrect. Perhaps one of the gamma's should be a nu? I'm not certain, as i'm only a first year greek student but...that doesn't seem right167.206.69.62 (talk) 13:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought gg was pronounced ng in Greek [among other languages]? It actually trips me up in some English dialects where they have ggs and I  read them as ngs and English is my native language and Greek is Greek to me. 173.66.211.53 (talk) 00:25, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Misspelling

message: In the table in the English section of "Diphthongs in various languages" Canadian English is listed as a sub-category of American English. Why? --72.39.35.178 (talk) 20:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the article title is ambiguous. I removed the link. kwami (talk) 22:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Since we're talking about it, I just realized that the table now indicates that RP undergoes something akin to vowel raising.  Is there a source for this?  I was under the impression that  was simply another way of transcribing the same diphthong in an attempt to be more accurate and not a conditional allophone.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 06:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Canadians speak American English?

message: About my recent changes that was reverted, the Portuguese semivowels are not [ʊ] and [ɪ], the last /u/ in cúmulo (identified as [ʊ] in Portuguese_phonology#Unstressed_vowels) is not the same in quando or sul, Bisol identifies the coda /l/ as a [w] and explain its history in the page 211 , Bisol explains the coda /l/ was velarized [ɫ], later labialized and velarized [lʷ], and then [w], the author uses even brackets to represent the w, don't need to understand Portuguese for check this source, since it uses a very clear representation in that page, or if you want you can use the Google translator, though as the Google books doesn't allow copy and paste you should type yourself for translate.--Luizdl (talk) 05:46, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's quite a heavy assumption to make to presume that an English-language source will use  and  purely out of regard for its English-speaking readership. Linguistic scholarship doesn't normally work that way.  Note that the very source you cite presents a consonant chart that does not include [j] or [w].  It could very well be the case that, as is the case at WP:IPA for Portuguese, the diphthongs are represented with [j] and [w] for typographic constraints.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 22:22, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I will search for more sources, because the semivowels in Portuguese is so closed that some sequences of words like quem é? sounds like if it was written quenhé?, and there are even some derived words in our vocabulary like nenhum (none), derived from nem um, and when a British speaks the word year it sounds like iê for us, your vowels [ʊ] and [ɪ], essentially the [ɪ], resembles a bit like the ô and ê. I will search for sources proving that the Portuguese semivowels are higher than [ʊ] and [ɪ].--Luizdl (talk) 01:56, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Good find.  On top of that, Mateus & Andrade (p. 19, 30) use [j] and [w], calling them glides and allophones of /i/ and /u/.  I can only find one source (Barbosa & Albano) that use anything but [j] and [w], and they may have been talking about one specific dialect of Portuguese in Brazil.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 05:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portuguese semivowels 

message: Okay, I just want to ask something. In my native language - Bulgarian, we have these combinations [ja] - ябълка [ja.bəl.kɐ] - apple, [ju] - ютия [ju.ti.jɐ] - an iron, [aj] - майка [maj.kɐ] - mother, [oj] - кой [koj]- who , [ej] - пейка [pej.kɐ] - bench, [ij] - чий [tʃij] -whose etc.
I'm curious if they could be considered as diphthongs or not. Thank you. 212.50.76.237 (talk) 18:07, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Bulgarian language doesn't seem to refer to them as such.  The situation is probably similar to Russian, where the  is a consonant and not part of the syllable nucleus. — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 01:16, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulgarian 

message: "The presence of alternations among related words or related dialects between diphthongs and monophthongs, sequences of vowel and consonant, or sequences of two vowels in separate syllables
The restrictions (or lack thereof) on the diphthongs that can occur
The existence of glides such as /w/ and /j/ as separate phonemes in the language
The behavior of the diphthong when a vowel directly follows
The historical origin of the diphthong"''
Very good points, do you have citations about that ? The first part of the first sentence is very important and should be separated from the other idea at the end.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.189.138 (talk) 04:10, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the paragraphs in question.  — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 01:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between a vowel and semivowel 

message: I'm sorry, but why aren't Latin diphthongs ae, au, ei, eu, oe, ui listed? They are very important in the evolution of pronunciation in various European languages and should be added ASAP. 78.0.238.250 (talk) 12:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin dipthongs 

message: The article needs more information on what distinguishes a phonetic from a phonemic diphthong. In some cases diphthongs are phonemic because they develop from monophthongs by vowel shift, like English house and German Haus from earlier hūs. Some diphthongs are clearly not phonemic based on this criterion, like Italian piu from Latin plus and Spanish muy from Latin multum, but some cases of phonemic diphthongs also don't fulfill the criterion, like German Frau from Middle High German vrouwe. I suppose this is because the last example is merged with the diphthongs-from-monophthongs as in the first example, and thus takes their phonemic nature onto itself. But a source on this subject should be found and its reasoning added to the article.
The Spanish section says that Spanish has 15 total phonemic diphthongs; I believe this is incorrect and will change it to phonetic, but I don't have access to the sources to verify that I'm right. — Eru·tuon 21:29, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you understand ‘phonemic’?  The status of a phoneme does not depend on history.  The fifteen diphthongs listed are phonemic because they are regularly distinctive from each other and from the same vowels in hiatus.  The passage contrasts these with the oe of poeta in rapid speech, a phonetic phenomenon that, apparently, has not achieved phonemic status. —Tamfang (talk) 05:44, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonemic and phonetic 

message: The article monophthong is currently stub-size, since I moved the discussion of Monophthongization to another article. It could therefore be merged with this article. If so, this article would have to be moved to Diphthong and monophthong, similar to Endocentric and exocentric, and other article names that I can't recall. This would require a lot of link-fixing, but that can easily be done with AutoWikiBrowser.
Also, the list of languages is too long. Most languages should be moved to a separate article, which could be titled List of diphthongs, while more notable languages, like English, German, French, Spanish, and Mandarin could be kept here.
What do others think? — Eru·tuon 22:13, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree with all of this. Whenever we have two opposed concepts like these, it generally seems to work best to combine them into one article. (Of course there are also triphthongs and tetraphthongs, but those can be mentioned in passing.) I wouldn't even bother with a comprehensive list of diphthongs - it's unlikely ever to be truly comprehensive, and the main place to go for information about individual languages' phonologies should be those languages' own articles. W. P. Uzer (talk) 22:35, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that a comprehensive list is not really necessary, but since this article already has one, or at least tries to, we can just move it to a list article rather than simply deleting it. Perhaps later content from it could be moved to phonology articles, if it's not already there, and deleted from the list article. — Eru·tuon 23:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with monophthong, split into list article 

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I believe it is a close-front vowel as opposed to near-close-front vowel.
Let's take two diphthongs as an example: [aɪ] and [eɪ].
In [aɪ], you get a much more similar sound pronouncing it [a.i]
And it isn't a near-close, you can feel that one.
GamerGeekWiki (talk) 03:28, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This has always puzzled me, as well. Same goes for the back vowels, IPA uses [the character that looks like a horseshoe and represents the vowels in 'foot' and 'put'] in dipthongs, when it seems to me they ought to be using [u]. *shrug* go figure, I guess. And, I guess for most second-language English speakers it wouldn't really matter much anyway, because most languages don't even have the near-close vowels that English has, and most non native speakers use the close vowels in their place anyway. 2600:1702:4960:1DE0:5D57:A2A:70F7:A033 (talk) 23:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [i] written as ⟨ɪ⟩ in diphthongs 

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message: I notice that in the wikipedia in Spanish a difference is made about these two diphthongs in Spanish, but not in the wiki in English,
and that even the word they use in wiki in english to represent the diphthong [ju] it is used to represent the diphthong [iu̯] in wiki in spanish . I believe that the two are the same diphthong, [ju]. I say this since I have not found a difference in my speech, I being Mexican, but it may be that, yes, just because of that I tell you that it might be convenient to estudy by us something.--Unvatopensante (talk) 18:03, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:   Diphthongs [ju] and [iu̯] in spanish 

message: The article doesn't mention which diphthongs are short in Present English or Old English --Backinstadiums (talk) 18:22, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  English short diphthongs 

message: Vietnamese language has more than 3 diphtongs.
In addition to the notations
ia~iê, 
ưa~ươ,
ua~uô,
diphtongs ui and uy should be added. Corresponding IPA for ui and uy is .
Some pronunciations according to IPA are unfortunately not correct. They are corrected as follows:
iê pronounced as  and not  as noted.
ưa pronounced as  and not  as noted.
ươ pronounced as  and not  as noted.Beautiful Bavaria (talk) 14:35, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remarks about Vietnamese Diphtongs, section Mon-Khmer languages/Vietnamese 

message: Under the Length heading, there is a passage followed by both a citation (Reference 12 to be precise) and a Citation Needed note. It appears that Citation Needed was marked prior to the source being added, and the source does appear to back up the claim made in the passage. Would it be appropriate to now remove the Citation Needed marker? 
Mmorourke (talk) 03:54, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The words "In languages with phonemically short and long vowels, diphthongs typically behave like long vowels" appear verbatim in the 2016 source, while they were added by Benwing in 2010. Cambridge Scholars Publishing has been known to publish works with apparently little to no peer review or editorial supervision. I find it highly likely that the source copied our article. Nardog (talk) 04:31, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed 

message: — Assignment last updated by LingKing77 (talk) 19:42, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Graduate Phonology

message: The chart seems to differentiate General American and Standard Canadian English for most of the vowels shown, but I'm not sure they're phonetically different in terms of the , , , or (unraised)  vowels. In addition, I think monophthongal variants of , ,  and  also exist in SCanE. I haven't been able to find the source for the chart, but is there one? If not, I think it would make more sense to merge those rows. Tyrui (talk) 03:07, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  General American English vs Canadian English