Talk:Jesus/Archive 94

message: If the subject of the second paragraph is what historians think, then put them in the first sentence. Please see . Anyone second the motion? Leadwind (talk) 03:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not me.  I think it makes sense to specify what the principal sources are, and then provide different views (interpretations) of the sources. Slrubenstein   |  Talk 13:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the topic of the sentence the gospels, or is it historical Jesus? I thought the topic was the gospels until you said the topic was historical Jesus. Leadwind (talk) 15:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I guess you do not understand how historians work.  Historians analyze and interpret historical sources.  Therefore, we begin by naming the sources they are interpreting, and then we provide their interporetation of these sources. 16:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the topic of the paragraph the gospels or is it the historical view of Jesus? Leadwind (talk) 15:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

text: When someone who disagrees with me won't answer a straight question, maybe it's time for a different tack. Leadwind (talk) 14:42, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd paragraph 

message: Yeshua's birthday IS somewhere around September during the Feast of Tabernacles.The K.O. King (talk) 00:40, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And your proof?  The Shepherds were in the fields with their flocks all night.  This happens in that part of the world only in the Spring when the Ewes are dropping their Lambs, and sometimes you need to help that happen.  I've been through this with goats which are very, very similar animals, and you need to be able to deal with a breech presentation and also predators who will find a Ewe in labor to be unable to defend herself.  --BenBurch (talk) 19:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, man, totally. 71.68.15.63 (talk) 17:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ben, as you say, Luke implies that Jesus was born in spring. But most scholars don't regard the nativity stories as historical. Luke's inclusion of shepherds might have been to emphasize Jesus' humble humanity, just as Matthew's inclusion of wise men emphasized his kingship. Leadwind (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yeshua's Birthday 

message: I fixed a reference to the last supper in the chronology section. Someone was using a primary source to say that the LS in Mark isn't Passover.
I'd like to pare the chronology section down. Consider, for a moment, the fate of our gentle reader, coming to this page to learn something about one of the most remarkable folks in history, only to get bogged down in a highly detailed treatment of chronology, none of which does anything to tell anyone anything about Jesus. There's a main article for all the detail anyone could want. Here's what a regular old reader needs to know:
* Approximately when Jesus was born, when he ministered, and when he died.
* That the gospels give varying accounts of these years and dates, and that John's account of the last supper gave rise to one of the first schisms in the early church (Quartodecimanism).
* That Jesus' birthday being set at 25 December didn't happen until later and doesn't reflect the gospels.
We can do that in a paragraph. A clear, clean paragraph that summarizes the high points is better than a highly detailed section that turns off all but the devoted student. The section could also use an image. 
I'm trying to identify ways to improve this page that aren't POV mine fields. How did I do? Leadwind (talk) 16:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  chronology 

message: I'm serious about this, so I'm putting it in its own section. Who's willing to go for another push? I just want to know how many hands we'd have from the start. Add your sig below. Wrad (talk) 04:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Take it easy. :) You haven't even given people a whole day to respond yet, it's a weekend and it's church day for a lot of people. Give everyone at least a few days to notice the thread and respond. Vassyana (talk) 20:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not just me. Okie did the same thing weeks ago with the same response. Plenty of people are interested in arguing about dates. Nobody seems to care about FA stuff. Wrad (talk) 21:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said above, I'd be glad to try and help where ever I can. Sorry I'm usually out and about on Sundays not sitting in front of a computer ;) -Andrew c [talk] 16:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I give up. Hope you guys have fun arguing about insignificant issues. Wrad (talk) 18:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA push