Talk:Black people in Ireland

message: "As the Twenty-seventh Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland changed the qualifications for Irish citizenship in 2004, it is unlikely that Ireland will see another major influx black people in the near future."
Really? So, you can say for certain that freedom of movement in the EU, illegal immigration and constant attempts by corporations to open labour markets for the purposes of driving down hiring costs will make that the case? -- Anon. 194.46.185.59 14:46, 17 November 2006‎ (UTC)
* Notice the word "unlikely" in the sentence you quote?  That means we can't say for certain (and I wasn't).  But it seems likely that the 27th Amendment will curtail immigration into Ireland of White, Black and other people to a great degree relative to pre-Amendment 27 Ireland.  PS: Please sign your messages per Wikipedia guidelines.  Thanks and good wishes.  -- House of Scandal 17:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: How about "African Irish"?--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 20:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible move 

message: 217.205.245.174 (talk) 22:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There it's fixed. Thanks for pointing that out, I copied much of the template from Template:African American ethnicity, and I must not have noticed. --Parthian Scribe 04:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does the template box say "African American"? 

message: Is Stephen Kelly black? I always thought he was Black Irish which isn't the same. Spiderone (talk) 17:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stephen Kelly 

message: I've removed the section that listed notable black Irish people and pasted it below as it appeared before its removal. Please only reinstate this section if you can find reliable sources for it, per WP:BLP. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:45, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable black Irish people section 

message: Census Info for Northern Ireland clearly needs an update, its talking about 2011 in the future tense!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultan42 (talk • contribs) 17:29, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Census Info for Northern Ireland 

message: Please post souce 98.144.238.191 (talk) 11:33, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slavery in Ireland? 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Black Irish and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 29#Black Irish until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  MB 01:41, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Black Irish" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: We need to clarify the third paragraph, which presently says "Although many Black servants in Irish households were enslaved Africans, not all Black people in Ireland during this period were enslaved.".
Is this intended to mean that many servant had formerly been enslaved, or that they were kept as slaves while working in Irish houses?
Slavery was ruled not to legally exist on British soil in 1772, by the Somerset case, and it was abolished in the whole empire in 1833. It was initially banned in England by William the Conquerer circa 1100AD. I would have to check, but I believe slavery was outlawed in Ireland even before then.
If the claim is that Irish families were keeping Africans as slaves in Ireland around the 1800s, that needs some serious supporting evidence. 
It seems vastly more likely that many black people in Ireland had formerly been slaves, either in America or the Caribbean, but they either escaped or were freed before arriving in Ireland. I'm also reasonably sure that Ireland is on the wrong leg of the triangular trade. The flow of trade was of slaves being transported to America, then tobacco and sugar to northern Europe, then European manufactured goods to Africa. Even for ships that carried slaves, they would have sold their cargo in American before they got to Ireland.
Can we just get some clarification here? 92.26.167.52 (talk) 17:26, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enslaved africans? 

message: This is a nonsensical statement.  Black people are significantly underrepresented in the the population as a whole considering it is a majority (vastly) white country.  Now, if mass migration had changed the demographics significantly then it would be a fair point ;)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.141.64 (talk) 23:04, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I take it to mean underrepresented in comparison to population share (not to mean that one would expect Black people to be represented to the degree that the white majority is). Cordless Larry (talk) 11:55, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That is also my understanding. Richard Nevell (talk) 17:05, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black people are significantly underrepresented in Irish politics? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus against the proposed move is clear, and there is no reason to expect that relisting will change this.  BD2412 T 00:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Black people in Ireland →  – Black Irish in Ireland is now an identity with thousands of Black people in Ireland identifying as Black Irish. I think it should be the main title of the place with (people) at the end to discern it from the (folklore) article. Freee Contributor (talk) 21:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Oppose: There is another group of people known as Black Irish, so the proposed title is unacceptably ambiguous. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: But in Ireland, this term is generally used for Black people in Ireland. Black Irish is a term used mainly outside of Ireland. Freee Contributor (talk) 08:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that it is a term used with different meanings by different people is the reason the term should continue to be disambiguated. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 11:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Black Irish (Black background)? Freee Contributor (talk) 11:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Oppose per BarrelProof—blindlynx 23:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 18 March 2024