Talk:Anesthesiologist

message: The boxes on the top and bottom off the page no longer apply. How can you get rid of them?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.142.86 (talk) 21:41, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the globalize tag, but the article only references one source (which is hardly adequate). So the other tag stays for now unless anyone disagrees. Aaron mcd (talk) 02:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get rid of complaint boxes 

message: The statement "According to the Society of Anesthesiologists, Anesthesiologists provide or participate in more than 90 percent of the 40 million anesthetics delivered in the USA annually." is referenced with a marketing type web page that only provides this same statement without documented research.  Was this a poll, research study, ASA member survey?  This leaves a lot of room for questions and bias.
The number today is closer to 50 million anesthetics. There is limited availability to the public about the number of cases that anesthesiologists perform soley. The majority participate along side a Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists (CRNA) who provide the vast majority of anesthesia in the United States.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.180.28.13 (talk) 03:21, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement needs valid reference 

message: "In certain areas of the country there has been a shortage of anesthesiologists for several years. ... In many of these underserved areas, physicians supervise ACTs...."  Interesting statement, in that there are CRNAs in practically every city in the nation.  For example Philadelphia, Houston, Dallas, etc. has CRNAs in every major hospital - are these major cities underserved???  Also, there has been a shortage of anesthesiologist for the last 100 years, that's why there are CRNAs and AAs. Eclipse Anesthesia 21:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, just like nurse practitioners and PAs. Most MD/DOs supervise 2-4 rooms, and only begin and end, but not sit, their own cases. They also have significant roles outside the OR, but you are right, the focus on rural I think probably refers to the other mid level providers more so than CRNAs.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.176.151.10 (talk) 03:38, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statement makes no sense 

message: Citation needed. 
JasonBourne2007 03:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anesthesiologists are the most likely physicians to become addicted to prescription medications. 

message: This article is about anesthesiologists, and does not require this reference or resource.  This resource should be added to an article about Nurse Anesthetist if such a page exists, or you should create the article.   --Copperman 06:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No difference in outcomes link 

message: I think that the title of the article should be Anesthetist. Anesthesiologist is only used in north america (I think Canada uses both for doctor practioners). The rest of the world uses Anesthetist. It is a little US-centric and possibly racist. In the interests of clarity, NPOV, understanding and global harmony, perhaps it might be changed.
This also means the first line in misleading. It gives the impression that Anesthetist is used only in Britain, but it is used in India (lots of doctors there), Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, Botswana and so on.... 58.107.87.183 04:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The style of spelling the article is first written in is the one it should stay with, according to Wikipedia policy. Don't worry - I'm sure "global harmony" isn't jeopardized because some people don't spell "Color" with a 'u'. - 68.33.120.32 00:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with User:68.33.120.32; if only north america uses the term "-ologist" then I would support moving the name of the article to Anaesthetist. If the wiki policy on this matter described above is regarding spelling then this may not apply - this is a different word, not a different spelling of the same word.  Does anyone disagree before I proceed with a name change? k1-UK-Global 14:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  Agree with Kayvan, the field is Anaesthesia, therefore Anesthesiologist is clearly incorrect, further, I have only seen Anesthesiologist in North Americal spelling, so I support the move --Varnis (talk) 11:58, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: However, in north america (yes, including canada), anaesthsist means something entirely different (i.e. CRNA).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.176.151.10 (talk) 03:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title: Anesthetists vs Anesthesiologist 

message: I think the various subspecialties deserve more elucidation / own pages.  In particular, there is precious little Wiki information on Pediatric Anesthesia.  I am interested in different anesthesia approaches to neonates vs. older children, and pretty much struck out here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PedEye1 (talk • contribs) 15:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need information on anesthesia subspecialties 

message: Not sure why the sweeping edits were made describing an Anesthesiologists work, but not only were they inappropriate, they were replaced with inaccurate data regarding the malpractice and salary issues facing Anesthesiologists. Returning to previous version. 72.185.204.89 13:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note to 71.233.29.56: I appreciate your enthusiasm to adding to this article, but please keep in mind wiki rules regarding edits. ICUDocMD 23:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sweeping Edits 

message: I do not see the value in bringing up 6 year medical education programs, I believe there are only 1-2 in the US out of over one hundred medical schools, the vast majority of Anesthesiologist have completed 12 years of post high school education and bringing up 10-12 seems to be superfluous. I have not edited the main page, but wonder if this has been discussed before
:Its part of the CRNA attempt to cover up that they are nurses with 2 years extra training, compared to docs with 12-16 years of training.129.176.151.10 (talk) 03:41, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two vs. Four year premedical education 

message: There's been quite a bit of vandalism on this page in the past 2 days, is that an indication for locking this page down?
Also, I'm not sure how to tag the users/IPs as vandals, and I can't find the help page on that. Anyone knows how to?
Squiggle 15:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surge of vandalism on this page 

message: I have removed the generic globalization tag from this article.  If you think the tag is deserved, please feel free to restore it -- but please also add a clear explanation right here on this talk page.  Your actual concerns are much more likely to be adequately addressed if you identify them.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Restored the tag. The main body of the article is essentially "Anesthesiologists in the US" - I count eight references to the US in that section and no other countries. It needs to be more generalised, and US specific information should be in a section down the bottom with the other country specific information. Don't have knowledge of the field to fix this myself, but I think the problem is quite blatant! Nick Fel (talk) 12:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Concur, it's very US-centric, especially the first two sections. Touchdown Turnaround (talk) 21:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Globalization tag

message: I can tell this article has clearly been chopped and edited numerous times due to individuals with motives other than clearly defining a term on wikipedia for the uninformed, but seriously...this entry is completely unreadable now.  What do the first three sentences even mean?  They don't make sense.
"An anesthesiologist (US English) or anaesthetist (British English) is a physician trained in anesthesia and peri-operative medicine.
However, in the United Kingdom,[clarification needed] the term anaesthetist has a broader context, to include both[clarification needed] types of practitioners. The source further defines an anesthesiologist as a physician who completes an accredited residency program in anesthesiology, usually four years following medical school."
What are "both types of practitioners"?  This makes a reference that hasn't been defined.
What "source" further defines an anesthesiologist?
This whole article should be scrapped, written from scratch to define the term without all the garbage arguments between provider groups, and locked.  As is it's rather useless.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.8.28.80 (talk) 16:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  First three sentences make no sense. 

message: The opening section of this article should be changed. currently it states the following:
"An anesthesiologist (US English) or anaesthetist (British English) is a nurse or physician trained in anesthesia and perioperative medicine." 
This is a slightly inaccurate and potentially misleading statement.
"An anesthesiologist is a physician that specializes in anesthesiology.  An anaesthetist (UK) or anesthetist (US) is a person that administers or provides an anesthetic, this person can be a physician (anesthesiologist) or nurse or other mid-level provider, such as an anesthesia assistant.  In many areas of the world anesthetics are administered or provided exclusively by physicians, in these cases referring to a physician or anesthesiologist as an anaesthetist or anesthetist is accurate."
Source: Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of anesthesiologist.  
Regarding the confusion and the distinction between the two: The term anaesthetist or anesthetist is a broader term that encompasses anesthesiologists, which are a particular type of anaesthetist or anesthetist. So while anesthesiologists are anesthetists, not all anesthetists are anesthesiologists.    This is analogous to the idea that all men are humans, but not all humans are men. 
Nnedeff (talk) 15:11, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: While I agree with what your saying and have found a few sources to verify this, I'm unsure how to word it other than just deleting 'anaesthetist' and leave the reference to anaesthesiologists. Could you perhaps make the request in 'Change X to Y' format as the template suggests, or indicate how you think the lead sentence should read? Cheers — Deontalk 07:46, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 10 August 2012 

message: This is pretty much the definition of trivia. Articles are not made up of indiscriminate facts. --NeilN talk to me 11:22, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant trivia  

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message: Regarding this edit by User:Mmackinnon - this edit seems to redefine the article to deal with all providers of anesthesia (in particular, nurse anesthetists), and not just anesthesiologists. This edit removed several verifiable, published sources making reference to anesthesiologists being physicians, and added a number of links to unpublished material shared via a Dropbox account proposing "nurse anesthesiologist" as a term, chiefly appearing to be correspondence to the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists. The article did not mention non-physicians in the lede until May 2018 when Mmackinnon made this unreferenced edit. From looking at the Dropbox content, Mmackinnon appears to be its major contributor and as such this may breach WP:COI and WP:OR, and despite multiple references to the AANA, a search on the AANA website "nurse+anesthesiologist" returns no results for "nurse anesthesiologist". --Kwekubo (talk) 07:58, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is about anesthesia doctors - from the time this page was created in 2004 right up until this edit by Mmackinnon in May 2018, the article dealt solely with the medical specialty of anesthesiology and with physicians specialised in it. I note that since 2009, you have only edited the articles nurse anesthetist, anesthesiologist and anesthesia, and from your username, it appears that you are in fact a principal author of the website https://nurseanesthesiologistdescriptor.com/, as well as the unpublished document titled "Issue Brief" that you yourself added to the article as a reference via Dropbox at . There is an obvious conflict of interest here, and adding material that has not been previously published elsewhere and cannot be verified externally likely constitutes original research. I would recommend that you familiarise yourself with the Wikipedia guidelines WP:COI and WP:V, and disclose any conflicts of interest that you might have with regard to the AANA. I appreciate that in North America there does seem to be controversy regarding the names of different anesthesia providers, and it may be appropriate to mention this in an appropriate section of the article (such as the existence of dental anesthesiology residencies for dentists in the US and Canada). However, from a neutral global standpoint, the word "anesthesiologist" clearly denotes a physician! See . A Google search for "nurse anesthesiologist" reveals very little evidence that the phrase exists, other than as a mistaken form of "nurse anesthetist" - and apart from the website you authored. --Kwekubo (talk) 20:48, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

text: I do see that there dental anesthesiologists (particularly in the US) and veterinary anesthesiologists do both exist, and it would be appropriate to include some mention of these in the article - but these are separate specialties of separate professions and would deserve their their own articles at dental anesthesiology and veterinary anesthesiology. This would not change the fact that the primary meaning of "anesthesiology" is the medical specialty. By comparison - even though veterinary pathologists and veterinary oncologists exist, the Pathology and Oncology articles at Wikipedia deal solely with the medical specialties of human pathology and human oncology,  and there are separate articles for the veterinary specialties Veterinary pathology and Veterinary oncology. A Google search for "nurse anesthesiologist" reveals very little evidence that the phrase exists, other than as a mistaken form of "nurse anesthetist" - quite frankly, readers of Wikipedia articles must be able to check that any of the information within Wikipedia articles is not just made up! Anyone can create a personal web page or Dropbox account to share a document - for that reason, self-published media are largely not acceptable (see WP:RSSELF). Can you provide references to external, verifiable, reliable sources showing that the phrase "nurse anesthesiologist" is actually in use? Thanks --Kwekubo (talk) 23:09, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of "Nurse anesthesiologist" 

message: I have fully protected this page for a week to allow consensus to be formed on the talk page. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:54, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
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