Talk:Meal, Ready-to-Eat

message: Is it worth mention a specific location where development and improvements are being made?
"Scientists in the Combat Feeding Directorate at the Natick Soldier Research, Development and Engineering Center have overcome the obstacles inherent in creating and producing a shelf-stable pizza to be included in the MRE."
https://www.army.mil/article/202192/army_scientists_develop_pizza_mres_slated_for_assembly_march_2018  — Preceding unsigned comment added by InceptedNoggin (talk • contribs) 16:08, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
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thread_title: Natick Labs

message: "is the intended successor to the lighter LRP ration developed by the United States Army for Special Forces and Ranger patrol units in Vietnam."
Nope.  The MRE was NOT supposed to replace the Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol ("L.R.R.P.") Ration, the LRRP Ration was extremely expensive at the time as Freeze Dried.   The MRE was only to replace the Meal Combat Individual Ration "C Ration".  The LRRP Ration was developed by the U.S. Army and ONLY issued to U.S. Army Special Forces Long Range Reconnaissance Patrols and not the other Special Warfare Forces due to Costs, as not issued to U.S. Army Rangers, U.S.M.C. Force Recon, U.S. Air Force Special Operations Wings, U.S. Navy S.E.A.L.s. Just before the end of the Vietnam War, U.S. Army Special Forces Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol Teams were dumped into the U.S. Army Ranger Battalions, and never got anymore U.S. Army Special Forces Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol Rations.   The difference between U.S. Army Special Forces Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol Teams was Training and 4 Man Teams Special Reconnaissance and Special Surveillance Only minimal Direct Combat Capabilities lightly armed 10 pounds (things (L.R.R.P. Rations) were packed into the pockets on the legs and taped with O.D. Green "100 Mile an Hour" tape (O.D. Green Duck Tape)) to 20 pound Rucksack mostly Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol Rations and water 2 to 4 magazines (20 round per) of ammunition (carried in shirt pockets, tiger stripe only had two large slanted shirt pockets) 1 belt of 7.62mm for the M60 (usually not used), wooden handle entrenching tool, 2 collapsible 2 quart canteens in rucksack in waterproof bag (contain canteen leaks).  U.S. Army Special Forces L.R.R.P.s using their weapons means they f**ked up and got detected, no "steel pot" helmet, no flack vest, towel around neck, U.S. Army O.D. Green bandage used as bandana, tiger stripe uniform later switched to ERDL uniform. U.S. Army Ranger Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol Teams 12 Men Teams that were easily detected and ambushed or attacked, Heavily Armed M60 machineguns, M79 Grenadiers, sometimes a mortar (heavy base plate, ammunition, tube, sights), 50 pounds to 100 pound Rucksacks, "Steel Pot" Helmet, O.D. Green Flak Vest, 2 to 4 canteens of water, standard O.D. Green Jungle Fatigues after the Vietnam War the U.S. Army Ranger Battalions switched to ERDL Uniforms, U.S. Army Conventional Warfare then switched back to the O.D. Green Fatigues and dumped Surplus ERDL Uniforms on the U.S. Navy that then gave the ERDL Uniforms to their U.S.M.C..
U.S. Army Special Forces do Long Range Reconnaissance Patrols (L.R.R.P.) as Covert Strategic Special Reconnaissance (S.R.) and Covert Strategic Special Surveillance (S.S.).
U.S. Army Rangers do Long Range Patrols (L.R.P.), just like U.S. Army Conventional Warfare Units do Long Range Patrols, as Tactical not Strategic and Overt not Covert.  And definitely nothing "Special (Warfare)" about that.
After Vietnam the Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol (L.R.R.P.) Mission of Special Reconnaissance and Special Surveillance was retained by the U.S. Army Rangers as RECONDO.  Before the 1990 "First Gulf War" the L.R.R.P. Mission Returned to the U.S. Army Special Forces as LRS-D, due to failures of the U.S. Army Rangers.   After this Mission returned to the U.S. Army Special Forces the LRS-D Team Members had more input into Weapons, Equipment, Uniforms, Rations instead of only getting what a U.S. Army Ranger Battalion issued them (M.R.E.s).  U.S. Army Special Forces "Long Range Patrol" L.R.P. Rations would be created Decades later. Nakamuradavid (talk) 20:39, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: First Paragraph

message: "In addition, the military has experimented with new assault ration prototypes, such as the First Strike Ration and the HOOAH! Bar, designed with elite or specialized forces in mind."
Nope.  First Strike is a Civilian Commercial Brand Name that makes a Civilian version of the M.R.E. as the actual Company that manufacturers most of the M.R.E. components is Sterling Foods not Civilian M.R.E. First Strike Ration and First Strike is not the name of a U.S. Military Ration.  
The Modular Operational Ration Enhancement "M.O.R.E." was created to Supplement the M.R.E.'s "McDonald's (Children's) Happy Meal" Portions disappointing amount of requirements as required by the U.S. Army Special Forces, the M.O.R.E. routinely includes the First Strike Energy Ration Bar, "Trail Mix", Energy Drink Beverage Drink Mix, Beef Jerky or Beef Sticks, Apple Sauce, Crackers and Peanut Butter, caffeine gum.  Instead of U.S. Army Special Forces being Issued Two to Three M.R.E. "Happy Meal" Portions per Meal.  Most U.S. Army Special Forces still refuse to only be issued a Happy Meal M.R.E. and a M.O.R.E. per meal, and get Issued Two M.R.E.s and a M.O.R.E. per meal (and still end up losing too much weight and muscle mass).  M.O.R.E.s are made in different Versions Hot Weather, Cold Weather, High Altitude, each having different contents "Assortments" to attempt to supplement the "Happy Meal" Portions and lack of Energy provided by the M.R.E..
M.O.R.E.
http://www.hawaiiarmyweekly.com/2017/04/05/m-o-r-e-ration-should-hopefully-always-be-better/
First Strike Energy Bar usually in M.O.R.E., unfortunately only half the size of Civilian Energy Bar.
http://www.mreinfo.com/other-us-rations/current-us-rations/first-strike-ration/first-strike-energy-bars/
Caffine Gum  Military Energy Gum (M.E.G.) usually in M.O.R.E.
https://www.amazon.com/Military-Energy-Gum-MEG-Specification/dp/B0017O19Q2
M.O.R.E. Modular Operational Ration Enhancement Hot Climate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKi5AFiqmAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxsveIugJvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtQxIKiQZpo
M.O.R.E. Modular Operational Ration Enhancement Cold Climate and High Altitude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq8H0F35aK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyREemJvxZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq4aGEIh2mQ
I was so happy to finally get enough food Two M.R.E.s and one M.O.R.E. per Meal. Nakamuradavid (talk) 21:11, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Ongoing development

message: After the Failures of the Meals Ready to Eat "M.R.E.s" as used by the U.S. Army Special Forces, 2001 just after the 9/11 2001 Attacks before the 2001 First Attempt of the CIA's Operation Neptune Spear to Locate and Capture Osama Bin Laden, U.S. Army Special Forces Teams that would be attached to the CIA SAD and SOG emptied the Local Sporting Goods Stores of all Mountain House Brand Freeze Dried Foods Main Meals (and the Mountain House Freeze Dried Ice Cream...laughing).
The 2001 First Attempt of CIA Operation Neptune Spear failed, as President Clinton's 1993 to 2001 Destruction of the U.S. Defense no longer funded U.S. Local Intelligence Assets Worldwide, there were no longer any U.S. Funded Local Afghan Intelligence Assets to assist us to get to safe location, evade the Millions of Afghan Taliban, covertly locate Osama Bin Laden.  The Mission was then changed to Overthrow the Afghan Taliban Government (5 Million Afghan Taliban since 1990), three more Teams of U.S. Army Special Forces were arrived and attached, they brought pallets of M.R.E.s and pallets of Mountain House Freeze Dried Main Courses.  We (those of us that had been involved with CIA Operation Cyclone) then found the Millions of Afghans that hated the Afghan Taliban that had fled to the Pamir, Hindu Kush, and Refugee Camps at Pakistan and thru Negotiations the Northern Alliance was created from the Afghan Warlords that were previously killing each other.
(We) The few U.S. Army Special Forces Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol Team Members from the Vietnam War Highly Recommended that the U.S. Army create a U.S. Army Special Forces Ration identical to the Vietnam War U.S. Army Special Forces Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol Ration, as those that also recently trained with the Norwegian Military Special Operations Forces during Winter Warfare Exercises observed that the Norwegian Winter Warfare Military Ration included a Freeze Dried Main Meal.
In response to the U.S. Army Special Forces Demands the U.S. Army created the Freeze Dried Long Range Patrol (LRP) Ration primarily made by Mountain House.  Mountain House was contracted to make different Versions for different Climates Cold Weather (U.S. Army Special Forces Arctic and Winter Warfare), Hot Weather (U.S. Army Special Forces Jungle Warfare and Desert Warfare), High Altitude (U.S. Army Special Forces High Altitude Mountain Warfare at the Pamir and Hindu Kush Afghanistan.  Northern Iraq/Southern Turkey). 
Freeze Dried, could be eaten without rehydration like cookies.  Vietnam War L.R.R.P. Rations usually had Freeze Dried Pork or Beef Patties that were like cookies (crumbly), Freeze Dried Potato Slices that looked like potato chips and eaten like potato chips but when rehydrated expanded into full size 1/4 to 1/2 inch potato slices, freeze dried scrambled eggs with freeze dried ham did not taste like nasty powdered dehydrated eggs.  Average Shelf Life over 10 years.  Not affected by Hot and Cold.
Reconstituted, Heavily Processed Foods, Man Made Foods, like Meals Ready to Eat M.R.E.s, especially the artificial pork products like bacon bits. Average Shelf Life 1 to 5 years (only if inspected by U.S. Army Veterinary Corps every year).  Severely affected by Hot and Cold.
Dehydrated, must be boiled or soaked for long periods of time, just like dehydrated noodles like pasta or dried beans (soak overnight or high heat boil over 15 minutes).  Average Shelf Life less than 2 years.  Not affected by Hot and Cold, must have silica gel packets.
Nakamuradavid (talk) 21:11, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: A Return to the Past

message: === Nitrite and microflora content in RTE food....??? ===
* http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+RTE+nitrite&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
* http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=ready+to+eat+nitrite&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_sdt=1.&as_sdtp=on&as_sdts=5&hl=en
* http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=RTE+nitrite&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
* http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=ready+to+eat+nitrite&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
* nitrite specs for Kraft and other brand RTE foods....???
** http://www.walmart.com/ip/Kraft-Philadelphia-Regular-Spinach-Artichoke-Cream-Cheese-Spread-8-oz/12166248#ProductDetail
** http://www.walmart.com/ip/Fresh-Mixers-Chicken-Cacciatore-Microwave-Meal/13448755#Product+Details
** http://www.walmart.com/ip/Stouffer-s-Lean-Cuisine-Cafe-Classics-Beef-Mushrooms-In-Burgundy-Wine-Sauce-W-Broccoli-Steak-Tips-Portabello-7.5-oz/10804810
** http://www.mccainhealthychoice.com.au/Products/Product.aspx?ProductID=09518&Category=11
** http://www.kraftrecipes.com/Products/ProductInfoDisplay.aspx?SiteId=1&Product=4470002410
** http://www.walmart.com/ip/Stouffers-Lemon-Pepper-Fish-With-Rice-Broccoli-Red-Peppers-In-A-Lemon-Herb-Sauce-No-Preservatives-Leancuisine-Caf-Classics-9-oz/10804829
* http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+ready+to+eat+microflora&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
--222.64.22.16 (talk) 09:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do any of these actually relate to MREs? They look like commercial food. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 21:14, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

text: It doesn't look like any of these actually have anything to do with MREs. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 10:36, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Link dumps

message: * http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+RTE+nitrite&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
* http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=ready+to+eat+nitrite&num=10&btnG=Search+Scholar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_occt=title&as_sauthors=&as_publication=&as_ylo=&as_yhi=&as_sdt=1.&as_sdtp=on&as_sdts=5&hl=en
* http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=RTE+nitrite&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
* http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=ready+to+eat+nitrite&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
* nitrite specs for Kraft and other brand RTE foods....???
** http://www.walmart.com/ip/Kraft-Philadelphia-Regular-Spinach-Artichoke-Cream-Cheese-Spread-8-oz/12166248#ProductDetail
** http://www.walmart.com/ip/Fresh-Mixers-Chicken-Cacciatore-Microwave-Meal/13448755#Product+Details
** http://www.walmart.com/ip/Stouffer-s-Lean-Cuisine-Cafe-Classics-Beef-Mushrooms-In-Burgundy-Wine-Sauce-W-Broccoli-Steak-Tips-Portabello-7.5-oz/10804810
** http://www.mccainhealthychoice.com.au/Products/Product.aspx?ProductID=09518&Category=11
** http://www.kraftrecipes.com/Products/ProductInfoDisplay.aspx?SiteId=1&Product=4470002410
** http://www.walmart.com/ip/Stouffers-Lemon-Pepper-Fish-With-Rice-Broccoli-Red-Peppers-In-A-Lemon-Herb-Sauce-No-Preservatives-Leancuisine-Caf-Classics-9-oz/10804829
* http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+ready+to+eat+microflora&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
--222.64.22.16 (talk) 09:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do any of these actually relate to MREs? They look like commercial food. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 21:14, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nitrite and microflora content in RTE food....??? 

message: * http://scholar.google.com/scholar?um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&q=allintitle%3A%20meal%20sanitation&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=ws
* http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+meal+sanitization&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
--124.78.215.31 (talk) 07:46, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't look like any of these actually have anything to do with MREs. bahamut0013wordsdeeds 10:36, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info about the topic of meal sanitization 

message: All the pictures on this page are outdated. I just ate one yesterday and although the physical passage looks the same, the writing on it has changed enough to update the pictures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.164.209.47 (talk) 23:36, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  new pic 

message: There seems no mention of the Omelette with grits meal.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.237.112.218 (talk) 22:57, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Out of the ten photos, none show the contents. Unless I'm missing something, I think a picture of what's inside is essential to illustrate the article. BoppreH (talk) 23:34, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of what's inside? 

message: Currently, the History section contains this: "Later, self-contained kits were issued as a whole ration and contained canned meat, pork, bread, coffee, sugar and salt."  As pork is a particular variety of meat, listing it separately looks like a redundancy.  As it might be referring to salt pork, or some sort of smoked meat, I'm not about to remove it without checking.  If it's redundant, it should be removed; if not, the line should be edited to make this clear.JDZeff (talk) 02:22, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A probable error in the History section 

message: * "MREs get a new kick with caffeinated jerky and Zapplesauce —  fourthords | =Λ= |  18:02, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  additional source(s) 

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message: For something that has been mass-produced since the early 1980s the images are oddly poor - 640px-wide shots of MREs on people's carpets taken in 2006. I have a bunch of MREs and in theory I could photograph them, but is there some kind of esoteric copyright reason why the images are so outdated? -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 12:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just that civilians don't come across these often, especially the real non-copycat stuff, besides the big Katrina wave in '06. Shouldn't be any magical reasons here. You can probably get some public domain pics from actual servicemembers these days... Artoria2e5 🌉 09:10, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I just wanted to see what was popular and it looks like the layout is from the original source so I took the data and flipped it into a tabular form.  It could probably help someone who wanted to mark the primary ingredient and figure out what is really time-tested and popular.Jawz101 (talk) 23:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Well to be fair, they do tend to keep the same stuff at the same numbers. Artoria2e5 🌉 09:05, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  List converted to a table sorted by count descending