Talk:Aly Michalka

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 01:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter|Biography assessment rating]] comment 

message: "She does not believe in evolution.[5]" How is this relevant? How about writing her favourite colour, then, or if she likes horror movies or not?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.61.157.36 (talk) 16:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was obviously important enough for her (and her sis) to be asked about it. It's science, so when you don't accept it as fact for a reason other than a science-based rejection, it's notable. — CIS (talk  | stalk) 05:27, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Evolution

message: I added that she is a creationist, and I actually typed it up myself, but what I typed was from the memory of what I read on the Aly & AJ article, so it's almost identicle. I don't know if anyone thinks it should be worded differently or not. Please go ahead and edit it if you feel it should be, or even just give me a suggestion on how to change it, if you like. Thanks.
Jay 21:31, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Category wise is an actor being a Creationist important or not? I'm asking because I remember that category largely being people active in creationism in some way. Does she doing anything for Creationism that's important to it or her?--T. Anthony 16:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well she is a Christian, and some other denominations believe in other things besides Creation I think, so it's good to add it.24.64.223.203 07:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: His point is that, loads of people are creationists. But we don't just add them all, or the cat would be completely filled up to the brim. He was saying that if they aren't active in creationism or are an apologist for it, then there's really no need to add it. Aaрон Кинни (t) 07:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Creationist

message: I saw clauses indicating she was German added and removed a few times.  Why was that?  Does anyone have any source for or against that?  If not I’m going to throw it back in on the German last name theory.
:Based on records I have access to, her mother's last name is Begley and her paternal grandmother's was Martin. Based on matches for the last name Michalka, I presume their grandfather could have been anything along the lines of German/Austrian/Polish/Jewish (and the rest of their ancestry, as I implied, is Anglo-American). Don't know which. But there are no reliable sources that detail their heritage anywhere online, as far as I can tell. Mad Jack 08:09, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmmm…would the previous Germanic claims at least hold for that ¼ and would that justify the notation?  Also, just out of curiosity, where did you find the other names?Schrandit 19:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ancestry.com has CAlifornia birth records - that's for her mother's maiden name, Begley (they list mother's maiden name). I found a Mark Michalka born in the 1950s who I presume is her father (it's such a rare name, so) - that's where I got "Martin". Do we have any reputable sources that mention German ancestry? All I could find are various trivia sites which copy each other, us, or the fan-submitted IMDB and are not reliable. Mad Jack 19:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest we put Jewish and German. Those are probably the strongest affects in her heritage. That's just my suggestion. Thanks. --Sylvia 19:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: lol, we can't really put "anything" about her heritage in the article without a source, which I don't think we have. All I could find were various non-reliable sites like the IMDB, etc. Mad Jack 20:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As much as I'd like to put something down, I'm going to go with Jack on this one Schrandit 23:53, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Original reasearch is not acceptable in Wikipedia.  If some Reprutable publication explains about her ancestry, you can put it in.  To put that someone who is Christian is of "Jewish Heritage" without anymore evidence than that her last name sounds "Jewish" to you is bad policy and the type of thing that gives wikipedia a bad name.Johnpacklambert 19:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Heritage

message: It is done! Please don't let the kiddies mess this one up again, since I'm not actively watching this page myself.... Mad Jack 22:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm watching this page regularly now (at least twice a day)... if I can be of any other help let me know. HeathersAngel 04:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I have added Alyson Michalka's ethnicity on Wikipedia. I have read about her heritage on different websites, with one of those websites being the IMDb.
For the people on this talk page talking about her descent, how can "Jewish" be an ancestry? I thought it was a religion.
Acalamari 16:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDB is not a reliable source, nor, last time I checked, were any of the other sites that mention her background. As for "Jewish", you had REALLY better check out the Wikipedia article on Jew and discover the wonder of Jewishness being an ethnicity (in fact, our article on "Jew" even includes the category "ethnic groups"). Mad Jack 07:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity 

message: I removed Alyson Michala's ethnicity. I added it, but her ethnicity is currently unproven. Acalamari 20:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Ethnicity. 

message: I reviewed the history and the vandalism on here is major! Should we sem-protect it? --Shaericell (Userpage|Talk|E-mail|Triplets) 00:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The vandalism took place a while ago. I don't think it needs semi-protecting. The Aly & AJ page was protected briefly, but I don't think that even that one will need semi-protecting. Well, not at the moment anyway. Acalamari 02:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone tried to say Alyson died at the age of 34...in 1956. (Completely impossible, I might add). That edit, fortunately, has since been removed.  WAVY 10 13:58, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi Protect 

message: Explain why each half of a duo who are not notable separate from each other should have separate articles when evrything that's in this individual articles is already in the article for the duo. There should not be three separate articles with the same information in them. Otto4711 23:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that there is similar information in each article, but Alyson Michalka and Amanda Michalka are both notable picture, and in the future, their articles will differ. Acalamari 23:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand what "both notable picture" means. The simple fact is that as of now the two are not notable as individuals. They are only notable as members of the duo and the information in the individual articles is all but identical to the information in the duo article. If at some point in future they have solo careers or are in any other way notable as individuals, then fine, write separate articles. But separate articles for each girl to list the same discography, filmography and background information is pointless. Otto4711 00:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, heh, I actually meant "both notable people." I do agree though that both articles need expansion. I don't think changing them both to redirects is the answer. Acalamari 01:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Expand them with what, exactly? What information is there that is pertinent to one and not the other? We are not talking about Sonny and Cher or Donny and Marie here. Look at the articles. All three talk about where they were born, all three talk about how they moved to Seattle with their parents, all three have filmographies and discographies. They do not have solo careers or independent ventures. The likelihood that someone will be looking for information about them as individuals as opposed to as a duo is extremely low. There is no justification for maintaining separate articles. I suspect that your objections are rooted largely in WP:ILIKEIT. Otto4711 01:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't a deletion discussion: you wanted to change both the pages to redirects, and bringing up WP:ILIKEIT here counts as a personal attack. Acalamari 02:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh it does not either. A personal attack would be "only a moron would think these two deserve their own pages." Suggesting that your desire to keep the separate pages is based in personal fandom of the subjects doesn't come close to being a personal attack. That's absurd. Otto4711 03:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not keeping the articles "only because I like them." Yes, I do like Aly & AJ, but that's not the only reason why I want to keep both the articles. Both pages have been in existence for well over a year, which I find weird that you choose now as the time to have both the pages turned into redirects. How about we do this then: let's remove the "dual filmography" section in Aly & AJ and incorporate them into both the articles about the Michalka sisters. The personal filmographies of Alyson Michalka and Amanda Michalka do vary, so we can focus editing there. If it's possible we can also find some information about each of the girls. If we do these two things, we should be able to get differences between all three articles. Anyway, the Amanda Michalka page is different from the Alyson Michalka page, but yes, both do need some work. I don't believe that turning each page into a redirect is the solution here. We also mustn't limit the improvements to us though; we should allow other users to suggest things too, we're not talking about editing a section here: we talking about removing the encyclopedic content of both articles. Acalamari 04:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Alyson did have a solo role on Phil of the Future; isn't that notable? *Dan T.* 04:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed with Otto.  The pages are very similar, and we could always just have an "AJ" and "Aly" section for each until their careers diverge significantly. Zimbardo Cookie Experiment 06:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No merge. Alyson appears to have enough notability acting-wise to justify having her own article, without even taking her musical career into consideration. Merging would only create confusion. --Bongwarrior 04:41, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No Merge.  I have read the debates, and want to re-elucidate the facts, for subsequent discussion.  The noteability based on media productivity would be like this.  Alyson Michalka > ALY and AJ > AJ michalka.  Remember, ALY was a star on the 50-episode Disney show, and is equally-starring as Ricky Ulman (who is also noteable, and he has very little known stuff outside of hollywood).  Alyson has also participated (alone) on several disney special programs (like disney-related charity events, and a half-dozen children/youth benefits)  There was a thorough 4-page magazine article/quasi-interview in one of those teen mags which had a very detailed biography of her and highlighted some of her philanthropic volunteer apperances.  This was not the article, but was one in which she appeared two or three times.  http://www.teenink.com/Top5/Top5Celebs.php  Sentriclecub (talk) 05:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Oops just found it.  M, Tiger Beat, Bop, Popstar! and QuizFest are the 5 teen mags she has been subject in for 2008 so far, exclusively (AJ was not in the article, and was not talked about more than a couple paragraphs.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sentriclecub (talk • contribs) 05:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Justify the separate articles 

message: As the notability of the subject is in dispute here, would someone please outline what part of WP:BIO this subject meets? Alan.ca 09:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The two girls have been the subject of many news articles, a few of which are listed in the sources on the duo's page.  They have a gold record.  They have been the stars of (mostly direct-to-TV) films.  I think as a unit, they're certainly notable under the entertainment category of WP:BIO.  Still think one page will suffice.  Zimbardo Cookie Experiment 15:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the duo passes WP:BIO but the girls individually do not. However, given that I have been falsely accused of vandalism for boldly redirecting the two pages and given that I really don't care enough about this issue to put up with that level of aggravation, I am withdrawing from the discussion following this posting. Otto4711 16:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Otto4711, you didn't vandalize at all; I never said you did. All I said in my summaries was that you didn't discuss the change on the talk pages first. I was always taught that major changes should be discussed first. If you thought that I called you a vandal, I'm sorry. You are not a vandal. Acalamari 16:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think merging the two is a mistake as they are not one person they are two indviduals! and the articles will change and both aly & aj will do different things Kspeer 00:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think merging the two is a mistake as they are not one person they are two indviduals! and the articles will change and both aly & aj will do different things Kspeer 00:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability of Subject 

message: Someone posted a link to Aly & AJ Source... Is this valid? They say that Wikipedia is Not a collection of links... I didnt remove it, but I wanted a consenus... HeathersAngel 22:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: I watched thier recent MTV birthday special, and when they were opening thier presents, clearly displayed front and center was the Monkees' 1967 album HEADQUARTERS...looked like a vynal copy, at that. Anyone know if the girls are big Monkees fans?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.241.158.225 (talk) 19:43, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aly & AJ: Monkees fans? 

message: On IMDB, it says that both the sisters are of German descent, can someone prove that is right or wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.248.237.217 (talk • contribs) 
:It would need to be stated in a reliable source, which IMDB isn't. So in the absence of a source, we have to assume it isn't right. —C.Fred (talk) 04:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what their heritage is: all the sources I've seen that have their heritage listed aren't reliable. Acalamari 20:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Fansites are not reliable. Implying descent base on name is original research and speculation, both not allowed on wiki.--NrDg 04:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I disagree. What they "feel" that they are doesn't change what they are. By you're logic, if I wanted to be one, I could be a Martian. Or anything else from A to Z, or any other made up letter that I want to be. But, clearly, I am not. What I personally want or feel doesn't change reality.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.65.230.114 (talk) 03:39, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Being of German descent 

message: Aly Michalka and Raviv Ullman are still really close friends. They have never dated though. If it was true they dated i would know this since im like one of the biggest Phil of the Future fans. It should not be listed that they dated. That is false.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.159.47 (talk) 20:29, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal Life

message: I have reorganized the filmography table as sortable using the guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers#Filmography tables. Two things I did at the same time: I converted some IMDb links into references; however, IMDb is not usually considered a reliable source - see WP:RS/IMDB. It would be best to replace the IMDb links with actual reliable sources such as magazine or newspaper articles. The other thing I did was remove a couple guest appearances on talk shows. These are not really notable enough to include in a filmography and would quickly clutter up any busy actor's résumé. It looks like a few more can be taken out, too, such as any awards show where she was not a presenter. When adding new lines to the filmography table, please do not use 'rowspan' for any cells because it breaks the sortability. Thanks, and enjoy! Elizium23 (talk) 04:41, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: While I don't really care whether the table is formatted horizontally or not, you still seem to be sticking with your irrational desire to excise en-dashes from the date ranges. I would prefer that the manual of style be followed and en dashes used where appropriate. In that respect, the anon's edit is an improvement. Elizium23 (talk) 23:58, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would prefer, if people insist on having sortable tables, that the sorting work. Year ranges which include a dash do not sort correctly for readers using some versions of Safari. An easy fix is to avoid using dashes for year ranges, eg (2002 to 2004 rather than 2002–2004). Is there something in the MOS that forbids using "2002 to 2004"? Gimmetoo (talk) 00:37, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

text: You are making very serious accusations. Please justify or refactor immediately. Thank you. Gimmetoo (talk) 05:05, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  nah; said it on ani, too. DYK... that, in the editbox, your sig looks like "Gimmetool"? 125.162.150.88 (talk) 05:15, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography table 

message: Is there any possibility of getting a new picture for the article? The one on there now is almost four years old, and it would be better if there was a more current picture of Alyson. (Rosepuff12 (talk) 04:58, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course there's the possibility. It depends on her making appearances where somebody can take a free picture of her—or somebody having such a picture they're willing to upload. —C.Fred (talk) 18:04, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Picture 

message: How is she styling her surname these days? Michalka? Ringer? Michalka Ringer? Michalka-Ringer? More importantly, what reliable sources do we have for that? —C.Fred (talk) 18:55, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What name is she currently using? 

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