Talk:Death Note/Archive 2

message: Admittedly, I'm opposed to any trivia sections, but I'll go ahead and state my view on the one for this article. First of all, one thousand people died in the first volume? Did a character say this or what? I added a citation needed for that. If after a sufficient time no one has provided evidence to back this claim, I'm going to delete that. Seems like vandalism. In any case, the bits about L, Mello, and Near seem unnecessary. Shouldn't they be put on the page about the characters instead since it pertains to their personalities? The last two bits of trivia seem pertinent and could probably stay, but I'd rather just see the whole section dismantled and removed. --Trance 07:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would want a quote or number of quotes from the story itself as a source. You can't seriously count the number of names. Most of the time when Light holds up the Death Note, the writing isn't even legible, so you can't say you just counted. That also would be original research anyways, which we don't include here don't forget. By the way, people, even if you don't have an account, tag your posts still with the four ~s so we can see which IP you're operating under. --Trance 17:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  1000 should be removed and replaced by "over 100" as was directly stated in the G8 meeting. -- AS Artimour 22:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: I would like to suggest on the style of this article as part of an encyclpedic entry. First, I don't think that this set up is the best one to have, at least not for an encyclopedic style entry (if you can claim it to be a part of one) Why? because the story of Death Note, 109 chapters in total, does read like two separate and distinct major episodes. It is important to make this clear to the readers-but this entry does not. Secondly, why care so much about spoilers being placed on the article and thus having to resort to creating so many separate entries for the topic? This is all wrong, why? In a proper encyclopedic article, all necessary and relevant facts must be present together, at least for a subject as specific as "Death Note". You are not writing an entry as broad as, let say, "United States" or "Medicine" where a whole bunch of related subtopics must be entered separately. Remember, this is not a manga advertisement to invite people into buying the manga, it is an ENCYCLOPEDIC ENTRY! (so no one cares about spoilers, because it is supposed to describe the events anyway) Even from the way you list and describe the characters, why Near after Mello? Isn't it that an important (having more influence on the course of the story) character is supposed to be listed first? It's not about the popularity of the character, the order is about the level of influence of that character. It seems that the styling of this article is quite improper, and almost defeat the purpose of the whole project.
:Go read the guidelines on writing about fiction and then tell us where we have erred. The multi-article format is standard, since one of the greatest advantage of the web is the potential for the creation of sub-pages. Also, Death Note does read as two distinct plots, both containing introduction, climax, and resolution. --tjstrf 03:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  L, M, N. Alphabetical. That's why Mello comes first. And, in case you hadn't noticed, it is also done by when they were introduced into the story. And Mello appears before Near by two panels. Also, I'll just agree with the person above me about the format, and say on a final note that you should lose the attitude. --Trance 01:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for the structure of this topic entry 

message: "After several incidents, his goal changed from creating a utopia to creating the world in his image and bending the world to his will. As he then possessed the power of death over both human and Shinigami, he was on his way to becoming more powerful than a god."
The first sentence definitely isn't clearly true. I'm not sure what "several incidents" are, and it's also never stated that Light stopped wanting to create a utopia. In the first place, he wanted to bend the world to his will (the will of justice/righteousness), though the person who wrote this sentence in Wikipedia clearly wants to characterize that as selfish/evil. And I'm not sure about "creating the world in his image". The second sentence is definitely false. Rem comments that Light has surpassed a shinigami in the ability to kill shinigami as well as humans, but he wasn't able to freely kill shinigami like he could humans, he just manipulated 1 shinigami into killing herself. Maybe if he had been responsible for the fact that she loved Misa, he could have been said to have the ability to kill a shinigami, but there's no way he could ever touch Ryuk. "More powerful than a god"--what does this mean?
Agreed.  It means "more powerful than a god" because it says something to that effect in vol. 7... I forgot where though, and I don't have my copy on hand.  BTW, please sign your name with four tildes(~) please.  Thanks!  SuperDT 21:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characterization 

message: Ryuzaki admitted to Light that "L" was composed of himself, Watari, and a "Danuve". Ryuzaki and Watari were killed by Rem(even though we never got to see their true names -_-), but Danuve wasn't. Is he the old guy at the orphanage? Also, would it be all right to add that Near breaks his toys after he is done playing with them?67.170.39.232 07:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danuve? 

message: Cinema Topics Online has confirmed that there are plans for an American screening of these movies and even an American remake, depending on their commercial success.
Is this actually true?  The statement lacks a citation, so I'm wondering if anyone has any information.  It doesn't seem probable, but that would be great news if it were true.
Chibi Gohan 07:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movies 

message: Could someone explain the significance of the red apple in the article please? I think it has something to do with the red apple the devil gave to Eve in the bible.60.53.71.186 14:11, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still speculation unless otherwise said by an official source. --Wirbelwind 00:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The symbolism of the apple 

message: This section follows directly after the Introduction, suggesting that the person who put it in thinks that the five rules governing the action of the Death Notes are more important than the characters in the story. I'm not sure of that at all, and recommend shifting this section to later in the article and shortening it. I don't see any real significance to listing the rules without explaining how they are used in the narrative. In other words, this section has an in-universe quality without ever situating the rules in the narrative or its outcomes. Moreover, Light adds some fake rules to throw off pursuers, and if we're not careful, we'll get an endless spiral of more and more details that fascinate fans and otaku but aren't encyclopedic.
A better opening might be something like "The Death Note notebooks operate under a complex set of supernatural rules, not by the whim or will of the human being who uses them" and we take it from there. Otherwise, it reads like an instruction manual for a video game.
Comments?
Timothy Perper (talk) 07:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If no one objects, I'm going to move the "Function" section to immediately after the "Characters" section. I'll wait a few days for comments, and then make the move. Timothy Perper (talk) 08:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since no one objected, I moved the section. Timothy Perper (talk) 15:29, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on Function of the Death Notes 

message: Before, it said only "Imitations," which could mean other manga that have imitated the plot, characters, and so on of Death Note. That's not what the section is about, so I changed it to reflect the real content more accurately. Timothy Perper (talk) 19:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed Header to "Copy Cat Crimes and Imitations" 

message: In one of the earlier episodes when Rem tells Misa Amane about how to kill another shinigami Misa says "Rem would you ever fall in love with me" and rem said "dont be ridiculous, you think you can kill me that easily".  What proof is there that Rem is Female..?67.81.169.196 (talk) 04:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Death Note: How to Read 13 - Her profile states that she is female. That is beside the point; Shinigami cannot have intercourse with one another, nor can they have intercourse with humans. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides, as I recall, her being female is referenced multiple times throughout the anime (though I could be wrong, I never paid particularly close attention to this before). And for a bit of original research/personal interpretation, Rem always just struck me as a female character anyways. —Dinoguy1000 20:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Rem is said to be female in the manga as well. 88.161.129.43 (talk) 05:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It specifically states her gender in, I believe, book seven, when Rem reveals herself to Misa in order to warn her about Kira; she says that she herself is female, and so understands Misa's feelings for Light very well. 67.159.136.174 (talk) 07:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rem being female... 

message: I have been making som clean up to avoid a the article being removed from GA but it still needs some things. The plot needs a bit of expansion to tell the rest of the story, reception needs a bit of expansion and avoid the use of so many quotes. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 14:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survive a GAR 

message: Compare the story of Death Note to the story of Macbeth. If you look at it like this, you'll find that Death Note is based off of Macbeth. Notice:
1.) Macbeth is Thane of Glamis, happy as is, and a friend of King Duncan.
:*Light is a high school student, preparing for college, and top of his class, and happy.
2.) Macbeth learns from witches he will become King.
:*Light gets a death note.
3.) Macbeth plans to kill Duncan and deal with Malcolm to get the crown sooner.
:*Light plans to kill criminals to create a brighter world.
4.) Macbeth's obstacles disappear due to his evil plan.
:*Light's obstacles, L, Rem, and Watari, disappear to his evil plan.
5.) Macbeth becomes King of Scotland.
:*Light becomes God of a New World, or damn close.
6.) Malcolm and Macduff form an army to oppose Macbeth.
:*Near forms the SPK and Mello takes a branch of the mafia to oppose Kira.
7.) Macduff kills Macbeth and someone kills Seyton, Macbeth's right hand.
:*Near gets enough evidence to arrest Light and Mikami, Kira's hand, and they die.
8.) Scotland is free from Macbeth.
:*The World is free from Kira.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.85.140 (talk) 01:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I don't think so.  A good portion of the driving force behind Macbeth is Lady Macbeth, whereas Light is fully self-motivated.  And if you try to compare the intelligent, scheming Lady Macbeth to... Misa, I will smack you with a wet trout. ^_^ JuJube (talk) 08:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now, if this appears in a reliable source, it would make a great addition (I wonder who will make this comparison first?) WhisperToMe (talk) 08:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macbeth 

message: The only thing that has me scratching my head is #2.  Macbeth learns that something will happen to him in the future.  Not so with Light.  He receives something.  Other than that, it's not a bad thesis at all (In my opinion, at least!).--NBahn (talk) 06:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I don't think so.  A good portion of the driving force behind Macbeth is Lady Macbeth, whereas Light is fully self-motivated.  And if you try to compare the intelligent, scheming Lady Macbeth to... Misa, I will smack you with a wet trout. ^_^ JuJube (talk) 08:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Now, if this appears in a reliable source, it would make a great addition (I wonder who will make this comparison first?) WhisperToMe (talk) 08:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting Thesis

message: I think that we are capable of writing an article for the 3 games, and give reliable info for how they were developed, slightly extended plot section, where & when they were released, features that they have (IE: Multiplayer, different language, etc.), VA's, etc. We're perfectly capable of an article for them, so long as we find reliable sources. Anyone agree? Skeletal SLJCOAAATR Soulsor 21:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ...Hello...? Skeletal SLJCOAAATR Soulsor 20:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ...........Skeletal SLJCOAAATR Soulsor 15:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seperate Game Article? 

message: How can "L the ProLogue to DEATH NOTE -螺旋の罠" be "Eru za Purorōgu tu Desu Nōto -Rasen no Torappu-". It should just be "L the ProLogue to DEATH NOTE -Rasen no Torappu-". Unless there are furigana, and a reliable source for it, that part should be removed. This also relates to my LONG ago battle that the kana "tu" doesn't exist, at least in Hepburn, which Wikipedia uses (unless there is furigana stating it is "エル・ザ・プロローグ・テゥ・デスノート"). And I didn't see any furigana on the main "L the ProLogue to Death Note" page. Moocowsrule (talk) 01:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Amazon supports the トゥ. The box also appears to have furigana that are...impossible to read, but we had to get "罠" being "torappu" from somewhere.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 06:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "罠" being "Torappu" is from the main pages. But yes that Furigana is *VERY* small... I didn't even see it on one of the main pages. Are you sure Amazon in a RS? I mean that's not an Amazon endorsed page, but a page made buy (stupid pun [REALLY stupid pun]) a user. It's usually written with the Katakana "te" and with a small "u" though (at least that's how I've always been writing it)... I've always seen it as "テゥ" instead of "トゥ", because far away that might be mistaken for "tou"... or at least that's what I think... but I guess you're correct. This page provides better (and larger) Furigana. But it appears only to say "Za Purorōgu Tu Desu Nōto" not "Eru Za Purorōgu Tu Desu Nōto". I think it should be changed to "L za purorōgu tu desu nōto" but maybe with the capitals... no wait I think it should be "L the proLogue to Death Note" because that Furigana is there only to help non-English speakers with the pronunciation. According to the main site (and this one), the Official title (in Japanese) is "L the proLogue to DEATH NOTE -螺旋の罠-". Plus it appears to use "Razen" instead of "Rasen", but when I try to zoom in, it gets pixelated. Moocowsrule (talk) 05:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uh what? 

message: "Watashi wa Kira dess" would be the Dutch romanization of Japanese. It's not a "more phonetic" way of transliterating. The cow says MOO!!!  —Preceding undated comment was added at 05:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When there are internationally standardized systems of Romanizing Japanese and (1) "dess" violates all of them and (2) "desu" is usually pronounced "dess", then yes, it is a more phonetic way of transliterating.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 06:06, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure? I thought the Dutch had their own Romanization system, to make it more phonetic and easier to pronounce for native Dutch speakers... I must have been wrong. Moocowsrule (talk) 01:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Watashi wa Kira dess" 

message: we need to put down a plot section beacuse this is the main page for DeathNote Poohman0 (talk) 06:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, it is needed.Tintor2 (talk) 15:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot section 

message: Take a look at the "production" section - the last part contains spoilers. I would put a spoiler tag, but Im not sure how to do it; Im also kinda scared to read the article..
89.77.118.185 (talk) 02:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilers 

message: The section on being banned in the PRC seems misleading. The sources only state specific schools and jurisdictions banning pirated versions of DN, but the title suggests that the whole PRC banned DN. --Gary123 (talk) 18:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  China Ban Misleading 

message: It seems to me that given the comparatively small amount of differences between Death note (FILM) and Death Note (Manga) I think they need to be merged.  Even Dragon Ball had more differences between the two versions of the story from Manga to Anime versions and was ruled needing Merger.198.146.53.94 (talk) 05:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How Do I suggest a merger? 

message: isnt "Watashi wa Kira dess" [sic] (私はキラです, wrong, shouldnt it be 'Watashi wa Kira desu' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.23.22.234 (talk • contribs) 21:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes and no. "dess" is phonetically correct, but the word is typically romanized "desu". Regardless, the note was written with Latin characters, and the spelling used was "dess", hence the spelling in the article. 「ダイノガイ千？！」(Dinoguy1000) 17:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  umm 

message: I would add this myself, but the page is locked. It is probably worth clarifying that the reason it is called "Death Note" is because "note" or ノート means "notebook" in Japanese. It is a poor translation to call it "Death Note" in English, but I imagine the pronunciation was retained due to the familiarity of English speakers with the Japanese title. Here is a link that should qualify as a source of the meaning of ノート: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1MDJ%A5%CE%A1%BC%A5%C8  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.237.74.100 (talk) 00:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Clarification 

message: Are you kidding me? It was stated by both the mangaka and the writer that they wanted to make L NOT handsome. Who wrote this article? A yaoi fangirl?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.47.129.184 (talk) 15:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I already removed it (and FYI, that's not as bad as it was - an IP originally added "a sexy" there, a few days ago - it was later changed to "a handsome"). ···「ダイノガイ千？！」? · Talk to Dinoguy1000 21:24, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Handsome L? 

message: Just a friendly suggestion. When I was looking for Death Note's anime original run dates, I noticed that the section called "plot" is actually a summary of the series. Believe me if I had not seen Death Note already, I would've been so angry because of someone that thinks writing a plot = writing a summary. That section should be edited into a correct plot summary, or at the very least have a spoiler warning. That's just my opinion, so future readers that are interested in reading the plot of the series to decide wether to see it or not don't be spoiled of this great anime.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.53.122.54 (talk) 23:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see WP:SPOILER. –Juliancolton | Talk 23:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is not a spoiler free zone. If someone does not want to be spoiled on the plot of a fictional work, common sense would dictate that you do not go and read a Wikipedia article about it. The plot section is just that, the actual plot of the series, not a teaser or intro piece. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot is a spoiler. 

message: I just want to ask a small favor from every one who changes the plot summery and that if your going to change it please make it better detailed and dont just erase it and put less detail.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aluminia (talk • contribs) 20:27, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:Manual of Style (anime- and manga-related articles)#Plot "This should comprise a succinct description of the plot and major subplots, but please avoid excessive details of twists and turns in the story."Tintor2 (talk) 20:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary is also a good read. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 21:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree.Tintor2 (talk) 21:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary 

message: Since it has been suggested that I act more civil in the process of updating this article, I wish to comply and add my contributions. I apologize for personal attacks made on my part. Whether my attacks pertain to be true or not is irrelevant. I acted childish and stupidly. It was exceptionally rude of me.
Beyond that, I request edit to certain criteria in sections of the Death Note article. I request to add information to the upcoming American Death Note Remake under Live action Films. This is information pulled directly from my "sourced" article that i wish to add: "No word yet on casting choices or whether or not the "Shinigami" characters will be CGI or not, but the studio is apparently reaching out to Joseph Gordon Levitt for a role, though that role is unknown."[29]
Perponents have suggested that this is speculation. I strongly dissagree. It is simply an update of relevant information concerning the usage of "Shinigami" in the upcoming film. Hardly speculation at all. As well, there is a constant removal of my information concerning the approach of executives to Joseph Gordon-Levitt for a role. According to the "sourced" article this is fact. Mr. Levitt "has" been approached. There is no speculation used  in that statement either.
So it is now that I ask whether you think it would be proper to add such relevant information to this article. I feel it will be a good contribution to the section and article overall. Please, discuss. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cali boi16 (talk • contribs) 18:35, 24 September 2009
:I'm glad to see you've finally calmed down; a good night's sleep helped with that, I'd assume? =)
:I think we could probably add something along the lines of your proposed addition, but we cannot copy the text verbatim from a source - I would recommend something more along the lines of "Although no casting choices have been revealed yet, Joseph Gordon Levitt may have been approached for one." Unfortunately, that still sounds way too much like original research... I really can't figure out how to word it any better, though. Also, I don't think it's really necessary to note the bit about the Shinigami either.
:One last note, could you please start signing your comments by typing four tildes (~~) at the end of comments, or clicking the signature button  in the edit toolbar? 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 18:47, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I do sincerley apologize. I see your point. The wording should be changed. May I recommend: "There have been no announcements concerning casting choices, but apparently Joseph Gordon Levitt has been approached for a role, though that role is unknown." Cali boi16 (talk) 18:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think probably the text "though that role is unknown" is redundant to the first part of the sentence. Other than that, your version sounds pretty good. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 19:05, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Right then. The redundant text should be scratched, while the rest of the sentence is added. Agreed? Cali boi16 (talk) 19:11, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good to me; I have asked AnmaFinotera to stop by and offer her opinion on it, and it may be good to wait for one or two others to stop by and weigh in. =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 19:13, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The more, the merrier, I assume. It's fine with me. Does it usually take as long for input from your peers?Cali boi16 (talk) 19:19, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In this case, because of the edit warring that previously occurred, wider input is definitely needed, if nothing else just to make sure everyone involved is on the same page. As for how long responses from others takes, note that we can't be online 24 hours a day, and some of us don't live in the United States. There is no rush, so it's okay to wait a few hours or a day to give everyone else a chance to have a look. =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 20:23, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

text: I honestly do not see a need to state "No word yet on casting choices or whether or not the "Shinigami" characters will be CGI or not, but the studio is apparently reaching out to Joseph Gordon Levitt for a role, though that role is unknown." - if its not known, it isn't included, and doesn't need to be stated (i.e. no need to state the obvious). At best, I would just note that "Vertigo has reportedly approached Joseph Gordon Levitt about appearing in the film." However, I do wonder, what makes Shakefire a reliable source per WP:RS? I'm not seeing anything on their site that would seem to indicate that they meet this guideline. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:46, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. If you read earlier, we already cleared that issues of which you have called to question. Now what I want to add is: "There have been no announcements concerning casting choices, but apparently Joseph Gordon Levitt has been approached for a role." There has been much speculation and rumor that celebrities such as Zac Effron or others have been confirmed to be in the film. The statement claiming no casting choices have been made dispells such speculation and rumor and replaces it with known fact. Thereby, it is relevant and should be included. Cali boi16 (talk) 01:03, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is this cleared? I do not see anything about that actually discusses the reliability of the source, only that you feel it is reliable and relevant, and by being removed, others appear to disagree. This is not a "known" fact, it is another statement of rumor, possibly a more confirmed rumor, but still a rumor. Therefore, it is valid to question, is this a reliable source. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You have no evidence that the source is faulty. Other than your conviction that it "might" be. Others appear to dissagree out of their own opinions or beliefs. The fact that many dissagree, again, does not prove the source faulty. It is a matter of their opinion. I have a source that is not bias or set-forth with an agenda, the source simply reports what is fact, until this fact is disproven I see no reason to believe it is unreliable, as should you. Cali boi16 (talk) 01:21, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please review WP:RS, then show how this source is reliable. Just because it doesn't "appear" faulty does not make it reliable by Wikipedia standards, which has very specific guidelines about the type and quality of sources that we use for articles. You may feel it is fact, but without any evidence that the site is reliable per Wikipedia standards it is not. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:58, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny, because Wikipedia is hardly known for it's standards of accurate information. But suddenly standards are everything when there is bias from certain administrators. This has not been brought up before by "any" administrator since the source was put up over 4 months ago. It is peculiar when no administrator including yourself has questioned the reliability of a source until an "argumentive editor" wishes to add further contribution. Cali boi16 (talk) 02:12, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't see the source added as I didn't have the page on my watchlist, however if it were not locked I would remove it for lacking reliability. Further, I am not an administrator and please remember to assume good faith and maintain civility in discussions. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I find it hard to assume good faith when only "you" have brought up question of reliability to my source. Are you somehow special from your constituants to see this? Do you believe yourself more intelligent that the peers around you? No, since the beginning of your tirade of accusations you have attacked my additions and even the reliability of a source which by no other reason only "you" seem to question. So as you can see it is hard to assume good faith as only "you "want to strip my contributions entirely. By reason, it would be the simplest explanation is usually the truth. Which is that you seem to have an agenda towards me.  If I were an outsider looking in on this conversation I would undoubtedly come to the same conclusion. Cali boi16 (talk) 02:29, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Cali, please keep in mind that any editor can call into question any part of an article given a good reason to do so. AnmaFinotera has raised a valid concern regarding the source used here, and it would be far more productive to either demonstrate how it passes WP:RS or find a reliable source to replace it. -- as 208.124.109.20 (talk) 03:39, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Its obvious to me now that I cannot prove my source is reliable. Go ahead and remove the source and my contributions as well if you believe you should rightly do so. Thank you for your time because it was certainly a waste of mine. Cali boi16 (talk) 04:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I appoligize and wish to move forward 

message: Please see my discussion on the new light novel for the third film. I added information about it the article for the film and this article, but since I don't have the book and there are not reliable reviews for it yet I have no sources to cite. If someone who owns it could help with adding information, that would be appreciated. -- Rue Ryuzaki  jam  19:45, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is common for an adaptation of a film, comic, etc. to have differences with the original media. Just see the film adaptations of Death Note or the anime's end. Since there is no sources for such info, it is WP:Original ResearchTintor2 (talk) 20:16, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh heh heh, now that I have the book I can cite it directly. Sources have been added. -- Rue Ryuzaki  jam  20:13, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a synthesis of published material that advances a position; the novel does not mention the differences and it makes no sense mentioning that in this article since this article does not have a plot summary section of the film.Tintor2 (talk) 21:14, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  L: Change the World Light Novel 

message: Well I literally just finished watching the last episode and am certain that Light never begs Ryuk to help him so unless I missed that whole part and someone corrects me soon I'm going to change that 68.194.228.226 (talk) 19:36, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen the anime, but I can confirm it happens in the manga.  -Tainted Conformity  Chat 19:53, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Mistakes 

message: Without checking the sources, I'm pretty sure that this is vandalism: "Ohba was also asked what he considered the most important thing in Death Note, and he responded by saying, "the human BECAUSE SHONA AND EMILY AND EMILIE ARE AWESOME!!!!!!and actions as much as possible." 212.10.53.219 (talk) 23:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed, I think. Thanks! <3 Vashti (talk) 01:24, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: "Several publications for manga, anime and other media have added praise and criticism on the Death Note series. The plot and violence from the story have been praised, noting it to be very entertaining. However, the series was banned in China due to various problems people had with children altering their notebooks to resemble a Death Note."
Violence? Last time I checked, Death Note is not a violent anime series. And is this little paragraph in the lead really nescessary? -- Rue Ryuzaki  jam  19:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last paragraph in the lead 

message: I am wondering if Death Note Another Note: The Los Angeles BB Murder Cases should have it's own page. The small section on this page only brushes over the plot plus it would have a reception section if it had it's own page along with a picture of the front cover etc etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DreamsDreams (talk • contribs) 22:48, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there third party commentary about the work? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:36, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death Note Another Note: The Los Angeles BB Murder Cases own page 

message: hey so i want to add an a bit under the imitations and copycat section of deathnote. it';s referring to the Korean version of a Desth note called a red diary. If anybody has any extra information besides what im about to contribute feel ree to edit or add.--Barnwelltynisha (talk) 19:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source that compares the two? Vashti (talk) 00:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  koreas 'red diary' 

message: Shouldn't the anime have a seperate article? It can be noted for its music compositions and manga adaptation. --Arathun (talk) 14:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The manga isn't an adaption, but the original work. The project doesn't encourage separate articles if there are no substantial differences, and the anime here was fairly faithful. Doceirias (talk) 21:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know how the WP-Anime/Manga Project's guidelines are worded, but I'd say that being in a completely different medium is pretty substantial. If this was not the case, there wouldn't be separate articles for the theatrical adaptations of Shakespeare's plays. The anime and manga are notable in their own rights and therefore merit separate articles. Additionally, information exclusive to the anime is left off of the main page and it's fairly annoying to not have a convenient cast/声優 listing in the article. 98.203.140.56 (talk) 06:25, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime seperation 

message: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vygovno (talk • contribs) 08:07, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A manga is classed as shonen based on the anthology it's originally carried in in Japan, and the age range it was targetted at. Death Note was carried in Weekly Shonen Jump and considered a children's manga, as is clear if you read the interviews in HtR13 (Ohba and Obata talk about marketing it to children). Vashti (talk) 01:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Comic books and television are different. Same goes for U.S and Japan. Blood: Mature in U.S, but that is not so in Japan. Besides; for whatever reason, it's on [Adult Swim], which makes it likely that at some point kids, should they watch it, will see something the parents obviously wont approve of.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.142.48.139 (talk) 07:48, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  the us tv rating is tv-ma.v/tv-ma/tv-14.v why shounen? 

message: If you look at the source of the article, there's a "network_other" section under the anime infobox (right below "network_en") that has more than 10 networks and it's not visible. Ridhaintj (talk) 05:39, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Network Other" Section is invisible 

message: I'm not entirely sure why the last paragraph of the introduction was removed... the paragraph said this:  "On April 30, 2009, Variety magazine announced that Warner Bros. acquired the rights for the Death Note manga to be adapted into a live-action movie in the United States. Warner Bros. has hired screenwriters Charley and Vlas Parlapanides to adapt the manga into a screenplay. Unlike the Japanese Death Note live-action movie trilogy, the US-version will be directly adapted from the material in the manga and will not follow the storyline of the Japanese movie adaptations.[1] On January 13, 2011, it was announced that Shane Black has been hired to direct the film, with the script being written by Anthony Bagarozzi and Chuck Mondry.[2] The most recent projected release dates for this project are in 2014 (IMDB)."  I think this information is valuable and relevant to the wiki readers... apparently someone even reported my addition of the last sentence "The most recent projected release dates for this project are in 2014 (IMDB)." as vandalism, this is obviously incorrect, since the definition of vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia.  Therefore, the addition of that last sentence doesn't qualify as vandalism, because my intentions were simply to update the content of the introduction. The point I am making is that I think this last paragraph should be kept in the intro, including the 2014 projected release dates, I even included a link in the 2014 (IMDB) showing the information confirming the 2014 release date.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philosophios (talk • contribs) 18:07, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Edits to Introduction 

message: is that section really true? it seems unlikely that a kid would be punished just for owning a journal with the word "Deathnote" on the front. 98.142.48.139 (talk) 07:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But "death notes" have existed in schools long before the show even aired. In fact, I'd argue that the show took its premise from lists such as these, so I wonder as to their noteworthiness. Maybe we could condense that part into a small paragraph and keep all the references? Aside from that, however, I think we should change the title to remove the word "crimes," as there is only one real crime listed there. Maybe change it to something like "Influence on real life events?" SweetNightmares (awaken) 01:48, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copycat Crimes and Imitations 

message: I don't know if it is correct but I think rumors shouldn't be in the Wiki. There was added a rumor that Zac Efron might play Light and Johnny Depp playing L in the new film in the section for the live action films. 
NoJoker 23:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumors 

message: I keep hearing about a death note one shot special aka chapter 109. What is this and has this been localized in english and where can I get it. --Ukokira (talk) 21:21, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  One shot special? 

message: I've removed this link because it no longer functions:
*Shueisha's Death Note manga official website 
If anyone can find an archive of it, we could put the link back in.  The archive at archive.org seems corrupted, though. --Mr. Billion (talk) 17:45, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed dead link 

message: The sidebar we have in this article, listing all the published material, seems a little cumbersome. Would people be on board with breaking these out where possible to separate articles or sections, and moving the links to the DN infobox? I can't believe anyone reads through that whole list, to be honest. Vashti (talk) 01:28, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sidebar? 

message: I've left a comment at WP:MOS, to try and shed some light on the whole "Death Note"/"death note" thing. Vashti (talk) 19:10, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Consensus from the MOS and WP:DISPUTE is that not only "Death Note", but "Shinigami", "Shinigami Eyes", and "Shinigami Realm" should all be capitalised - that is to say, full HtR13 capitalisation is to be followed. Needless to say, I strongly disagree with this, but them's the breaks. :) Vashti (talk) 18:32, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  cApItAlS 

message: Why is there no mention of J.G. Ballard's 1959 short story 'NOW ZERO'? 
Death Note surely owes it's existence to Ballard's original story of '59  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayamoi (talk • contribs) 23:03, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  authorship 

message: The structure of the page is flowing, and it is convenient for those who want to know certain information of Death Note since the classification is really detailed. The most effects Death Note has made are argument for and against whether it is appropriate for audience of all ages or not and if there will be crime based on it. I think more events should be included, and I'm pretty sure they are easy to be found since there are bunch of examples in twelve years, for example the news article "'Death Note' passed around elementary school terrifies students, parents" posed by EYEWITNESS NEWS wfsb.com.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C5DC:2000:6001:9F72:199E:8A8A (talk) 04:46, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: While we shouldn't list every example, we should limit the examples to those that have received widespread coverage in the form of national or international news. —Farix (t | c) 21:09, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  More examples needed? 

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message: There seems to be a lot of changing when it comes to the genre, so I was wondering if we could have a civil discussion on the matter to decide what the genre(s) will be. I feel like 6 is too many, especially given that you could combine several of these into one. For example, mystery and detective could easily be filed under just mystery. Or, detective and supernatural could be filed under occult detective. I wouldn't consider the series a dark fantasy either tbh.--108.28.124.56 (talk) 03:33, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Detective fiction is a sub-genre of mystery, so mystery can be removed. Dark fantasy and supernatural seems similar to me. Any other suggestions? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 14:44, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, remove dark fantasy cause I really wouldn't consider Death Note as one. Also remove tragedy cause, yeah it involves a lot of death, but that's not what the creators were going for. A lot of other manga/anime would be considered tragic by this definition--Valkyrie Red (talk) 03:40, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed remove mystery, dark fantasy and tragic.Lucia Black (talk) 04:35, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

text: What about horror, it does have some supernatural horror elements in the manga?--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 23:22, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: Lullaby came out in 2002, and Death Note in '03. Has Lullaby ever been cited as an influence?
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thread_title:  Chuck Palahniuk's 'Lullaby' 

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message: *GNR vol. 5-8 GNR vol. 9-12
*CBB Manga Black Edition #1
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thread_title:  Review(s) 

message: It's come to my attention that Death Note has a lot in common with the genre of neo-noir: a genre of fiction inspired by film noir emphasizing cynical characters, stylized imagery and emphasis on complex scenarios where the central character must unravel a conspiracy directly affecting the central conflict of the story. Death Note seems like a natural fit to be described as neo-noir.Internet Informant (talk) 05:29, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If there are reliable sources that call Death Note a neo-noir series, it should be added to the category. If there's no sources, then that's a personal interpretation. - Xexerss (talk) 05:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neo-Noir Comics Sub-Category?