Talk:Arindam Chaudhuri/Archive 1

message: This page has been linked from the IIPM article. It was created as a stub in hope that it will get expanded by wikipedians. Hope that clarifies. -Ganeshk 21:21, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to Speedy deletion

message: Actually - in India anyone can claim to be a Professor - there is no requirement that one actually professes anything. This is not the same as Doctor - where one must have an actual medical degree or earned (not honorary) PhD from a recognized institute (does anyone remember the flap over 'Dr' Jatalalitha?). I'm not commenting on someone deserving the title of professor - merely pointing out that one does not need to be 'awarded' a professorship. 
-- 'Professor' Shanky 16:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Kunal, PLease see Professor article here. Clearly, Prof. Arindam Chaudhuri qualifies to use the title professors because of his enormous contribution to management theory through thepublication of the popular 'Theory i'. His workshops on 'Theory i' are well attended by CEO's and Presidents of large corporations (see newspaper article above, and www.ArindamChaudhuri.com. His work through the NGO The Great Indian Dream Foundation also qualifies him, as well as the consulting for various Indian and FORTUNE 500 companies. There is no law or regulation in India governing use of the title professor, and as Honorary Dean the IIPM can also grant him the title. AICTE is a quality-assurance body, that IIPM has chosen not to be a member of, inspite of repeated invitations. The UGC has no authority over titles, and is a fund-giving body, controlled by politicians, with no authority over IIPM as it does not accept funds from it.--Iipmstudent9 04:28, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  As the wikipedia article say, "a professor is a senior teacher, lecturer and researcher, usually in a college or university". What follows, as is obvious is just optional. For example all professors may not give seminars or do research. (How many professors in India do research?). The logical path to become a professor is to start as a lecturer in an academic institution and then get promoted to "professorship" (Unless the candidate has the academic qualifications to start as a professor straight away). Since Mr. Arindam Chaudhuri is just an "Honorary Dean", this again reinforces the point that he doesnot have the required qualifications for professorship.
PeaSea 05:01, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  PeaSea, Kunal, He has been referred to as Professor Arindam Chaudhuri by everyone, including the world's largest English daily Times of India (Interview of Prof. Arindam Chaudhuri by Times of India, January 14, 2000), consistently. According to Wiki's no original research policy, "Wikipedia is not the place for original research. Citing sources and avoiding original research are inextricably linked: the only way to verify that you are not doing original research is to cite sources who discuss material that is directly related to the article, and to stick closely to what the sources say." It would appear that there is no more scope for discussion on this issue according to Wiki policy. I will wait for you to agree before implementing the changes. --Iipmstudent9 05:43, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Arindam Chaudhuri's titles

message: FOr a few days, I have uploaded these scans as proof of claims. Indian media doesnt have a good online repository to link these stories to.
--Drnoamchomsky 10:50, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scans of a few supporting materials

message: To ensure compliance, I think we need to delete the Arindam Chaudhuri's "Prof" title from the IIPM article too. Any comments ?
PeaSea 18:54, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Prof" has to be deleted from IIPM page too 

message: To user : please stop repeatedly inserting material about the subject's "ponytail of impressive length and greasiness". By all means feel free to add factual material that is critical of Chaudhuri, but that's just unencyclopedic and childish, and will cause others to view your other edits with suspicion and disdain. MCB 06:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ponytail etc. 

message: The awards listed for Chaudhuri...how do we know they are genuine? Any press clipping or link that can confirm it? Tomorrow we may see claims of a Nobel prize in the section. Please add references or links, or I am deleting the awards section.
That was me, by the way Ponytailsnipper 14:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards 

message: Please cite a news report or a press release that announced his appointment as an advisor to the Planning Commission. As of now uncited, so deleting.
Also note, a news article which referes to him as an Advisor to the PC wont do.
In fact here' something interesting. Just carried out a google search of his name on the planning commission site -
http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=arindam+chaudhuri+site%3Aplanningcommission.nic.in&btnG=Search&meta=
and it shows no results. Arindam Chaudhuri isn't mentioned on the official Planning Commission in any capacity. hence deleting that uncited claim.
Ponytailsnipper 14:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advisor to Planning Commission?? 

message: I fail to see the relevance of pics with Amitabh and Hema. I suggest deleting the pics. Ponytailsnipper 15:16, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amitabh and Hema Malini 

message: There were too many pics on the page, and I think it was cluttering the page and adding unnecessary data to Wiki servers. For instance -
1. Why is Arindam's pic with Sinha and Shourie? What is their relevance to this page? I suggest replacing it with a pic of Arindam alone
2. Why are the logos of Planman Consulting, Business & Economy there? Why not just provide a link to their sites?
3. Why did the GIDF pic have sachin tendulkar on it? If at all a visual should be put, it should be of the GIDF logo alone, a change I have made. Again, I fail to see the necessity for a logo cluttering the page, when a simple hyperlink would suffice.
Please remember, this is a wikiedia, and server space is precious.Ponytailsnipper 07:13, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the Sinha and Shourie pic. And added a pic of Arindham alone. I have uploaded it as fairuse. Please me know if that is okay. Ganeshk 07:42, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely better. The logos for Planman and GIDF aren't necessary either, since the article is about a person, not the organisations. Anyway, this stub has too many sections with not enough content. I'll give it a quick pass to make it more concise. --K. AKA Konrad West TALK 09:31, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too Many Pics 

message: 59.177.12.133/59.177.**.*** is also known to vandalise other business school's pages on Wikipedia. 202.162.56.29 22:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   Vandalism by 59.177.12.133/59.177.**.*** 

message: I wanted to remove one line from the introductory paragraph that talks about Arindam being a "highly controversial figure". I guess that sounds extreme as of now. But it is just a proposal to remove that line as I guess then almost every known personality in India would fall in the category of "highly controversial". As mentioned, in case editors feel the line should be there, do revert back. Regards, Mrinal 61.16.233.194 07:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   Removing one line  

message: I noticed that a lot of stuff which had been removed with consensus due to its unencyclopaedic nature and unverifiability, has been put back on. Reverting to my older version. please discuss changes to version and approve them from peers before making them. Also see talk page for reasons why that stuff had been removed in the first place Makrandjoshi 08:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Makrand, thanks for reverting back. I've added a few lines in the biography; which basically give a link to the management award won by Arindam a few days back. Do you think it would make pertinent sense to include details of this award? If yes, do kindly also give your view on whether I could include details of some other awards (with citation and links) too. I also wanted to bring to your notice that as per the web, I guess Arindam is Honorary Dean of a Centre at IIPM, and not the Director. I corrected the same. For all the changes that I have made, do kindly check whether I've made them appropriately or not. With regards, Mrinal 61.16.233.194 10:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Makrand, still waiting for your feedback on the changes I've done. I just corrected one spelling mistake I had committed on spelling 'Honorary'; and also added a link to another website mentioning the award... But again, I'll await your feedback on the changes. With regards, Mrinal 203.76.140.130 05:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mrinal, the link you gave in the article is some movie link about Kareena, and it wasnt opening. Please provide the correct link and you can put that info back on. Don't write too many details though. Just the award, with a link to the article, and who gave it is enough. Remember, this is not a shrine for Arindam. This is an encyclopedia. Makrandjoshi 18:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Makrand, even I noticed the link is not opening. I'll give the right links and put it back on. However, would really need your help in editing the stuff that I wrote. It'll be nice if you yourself can cut the words that seem unnecessary. Thanks a ton, regards, Mrinal 203.76.140.130 06:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert to an older version 

message: I archived the past discussions. Kindly add your new comments at the bottom of the page. Regards, Mrinal Mrinal Pandey 18:22, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archived discussion

message: Definitely need a section on criticism and controversy. Right now this article sounds like a press release. Kashif.h (talk) 12:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism?

message: I notice that a new reference to the IIPM Controversy page has been put up without a comment on the discussion forum. It has no connection with this biography; so removing it. Kindly put your comments before reverting the change. Thanks, and regards, Mrinal 125.19.3.2 06:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also am proposing deleting the IMdB web site listing of Rok Sako To Rok Lo. It seems to have no connection again with the biography. Can I include rather the websites of his company Planman Consulting? I'll wait for a couple of days for your responses before undertaking that change. Regards Mrinal Pandey 07:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing reference to IIPM controversy

message: Created new subsection about the claims of the advance Rs. 25 lakh for his book, as suggested by Mrinal. Also removed Narayana Murthy et al's names from the awards section. I'm sure the mention of the award, alongwith the given external references, constitutes enough information to stand by itself.
Regards, Max 14:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Created new subsection and removed spurious info 

message: I have removed the award detail which quoted that Vilasrao Deshmukh and Kamal Nath gave the award. Both the references sourced do not support this claim. Even if Deshmukh did hand over the prize, he did it as a chief guest, and not an awarding authority. Thus, even if it is mentioned, it should be made clear that he was only a guest of honour/chief guest. — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 07:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That little detail had been nagging me too. Thanks Ambuj. - Max 09:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed award detail 

message: I've added citations in two paragraphs; and have taken the liberty to remove the tags which questioned the factuality of the information, as well as one which requested readers to place citations. It would be nice if readers could check out the validity of the citations I've provided as at least one of them (about Wilton Park Conference) does not seem to be a valid one... But I've still put it to see if it can pass muster. Thanks. Mrinal Pandey 08:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations added 

message: I notice that somebody has put a tag saying this article looks like blatant advertising. I propose to remove it as almost all the references are properly tagged and 'sourced'. If a person's review looks clean, it's surprising that it's automatically given a tag saying this looks like an advertisement. Irrespective of that, I'll wait for a couple of days, perhaps even a week, for your viewpoints before removing the tag. Till then, the tag, in all its beauty, remains :-) Regards, Mrinal Pandey 14:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the tag. I agree, it was quite irrelevant. I don't think anyone should mind. - Max  - You were saying? 15:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to remove 'ad' tag 

message: I think this article, without this important event that happened in AC's life, would be incomplete. Moreover, the previous editing in this article has been done in order to give a favourable impression about him and not exactly the truth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.3.67.180 (talk) 07:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the section as it was typically irrelevant and also hypothesized the inference. Do kindly put it back [with editions] in case you think otherwise; though I will keep checking. Warm regards, Mrinal Pandey (talk) 14:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a controversy section is pretty relevant on this page, especially since thats an opinion a large number of wikipedians hold. Before we write it up (in a manner thats not defamatory or libelous) could we compile a list of controversies that could be added to this page? Thanks.Pranay Da Spyder (talk) 05:29, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: An article on Arindam Chaudhuri without the mention of a whole range of controversies! It's a shame. Anybody researching on this self proclaimed "philospher, management "guru", economist (WTF ??)" needs to know the actual truth exposed by Jam Magazine and others. I strongly suggest that there be a detailed section on his various exploits in selling the MBA dream to unsuspecting masses.Rakesh Dhanireddy (talk) 07:48, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  IIPM loyalists keep deleting any reference to that episode. I added a section twice but deleted by Ms Mrinal. This is really retrograde.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mspatnaik (talk • contribs) 04:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added a section "Controversy" 

message: I think that writing 'Bengali' was assuaging to a characteristic of Chaudhuri that was beyond requirement for the personality description. 'Indian' is more than enough, unless you suggest that the language that a person speaks should be necessarily put in front of the person's description... Warm regards, Mrinal Pandey (talk) 09:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed the term 'Bengali' from the first line 

message: If information is cross linked and substantiated with news reports, I want to discuss, is it necessary to have 'According to his website' also written? If yes, kindly place back the term; if not, kindly allow the removal of that term to continue. Warm regards, Mrinal Pandey (talk) 09:27, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'According to the website' 

message: Proposing removal of the PR spin para where money quoted was higher than what was ostensibly obtained. Mrinal Pandey (talk) 13:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  PR spin of book author 

message: Lest this also be seen as vandalism, I am requesting editors to see how can iipm details be put on personal biography... The link has already been given. Therefore 'proposing' removing the section. Wifione (talk) 10:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: controversy section

message: the actors have been mentioned in the films because the actors also define a huge part of the films. Mentioning actors is not to be considered plainly as pr spin. When it's a Baz Luhrman movie, then it is quoted that Hugh Jackman acted in a Baz Luhrman movie Australia. Therefore 'proposing' adding back the names of actors in the movies... Wifione (talk) 10:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: actors in films

message: i have reverted clear vandalism on a living person's autobiography. please see the administrator's noticeboard where i have reported the incident. cheers Wireless Fidelity Class One 05:05, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sadly, we've bureaucratic policies to ensure that every source that is even mildly critical of the subject gets branded as "non-reliable". And average people like us don't really want to spend a lot of time editing this article, lest we get sued for a thousand million rupees. utcursch | talk 04:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: reverting clear vandalism