Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 1964

message: The YouTube video of the Eurovision contest is of the winning reprise, which is shorter than the actual contest performance (compare it with the audio clip). Edited accordingly.  Archzog 11:15, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video reprise 

message: The score sheet seems to indicate that Monaco received 20 points rather than the 15 that this (and other sources) says elsewhere. Corrected using detailed score from www.eurovisioncontest.co.uk  Archzog 16:07, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in score sheet 

message: The passage "It would take until 1966 before the first black singer, Milly Scott also of the Netherlands, would appear on Eurovision stage. Milly was born and raised in Suriname. "  is not a fact about about the 1964 contest (any more than it is about any of the earlier contests) so I have removed it. 
It is information relevant to the 1966 Contest, and is covered on the 1966 Contest page.  Archzog 11:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant info 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:ESC1964.jpg

message: "The Netherlands became the first country to send a singer of non-European ancestry, Anneke Grönloh was of Indonesian descent."
Unfortunately this is a fact that can be debated as both Esther Ofarim and Carmela Corren who competed 1963 are from Israel, which is not located in Europe.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.2.94 (talk) 21:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However Annele Grönloh is the first contestant that came from a country that is ineligible to perform in the Eurovision Song Contest due to geographical causes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajitirj (talk • contribs) 12:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Netherlands

message: Someone wrote that the yugoslavian song was performed in Bosnian language, which is not correct. In 1964, the bosnian language did not exist, as the official languages of Yugoslavia were Serbo-Croatian, Macedonian, and Slovenian, and the song was performed in Serbo-Croatian language, as it was officialy called in that time. Vanjagenije (talk) 12:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Language of the Yugoslavian song

message: The claim that the Danish recording of the show went lost in a fire is false, and unsubstantiated. 
In the early summer of 2019, I was curious to this fire, so I went and researched on about it. Finding nothing, I decided to send an E-Mail directly to DR, who wasn't able to confirm what happened to the tape. They did, however, redirect me to a site called Biblioteksvagtenhttps://www.biblioteksvagten.dk/, who specializes in researching information. Having sent them a message, they managed  to point me in the right direction. After a bit of searching, their pointer made me find an article on DR's website, celebrating the 55-year anniversary of Denmark hosting the Eurovision Song Contesthttps://www.dr.dk/om-dr/nyheder/billeder-i-denne-uge-er-det-55-aar-siden-danmark-holdt-sit-foerste-eurovision-i-tivoli. The article, mostly comprising of pictures, included this paragraph of text, underneath picture no. 4 (In Danish):
Danmark stillede med den dengang 24-årige Bjørn Tidmand. Han sang 'Sangen om dig', der endte midt i feltet med en 9. plads. Desværre ejer DR - og heller ingen af de alle deltagende landes tv-stationer - hele showet fra dengang. DR har det kun i uddrag. Når DR sendte Dansk Melodi Grand Prix fra 1957 til 1966, var det - dengang som nu - direkte, men DR båndede det ikke, og det samme var tilfældet med Eurovision Song Contest i København i 1964. (Foto: Dr arkiv)
Rough translation from Danish to English, done by me:
Denmark entered the contest with the then 24-year-old Bjørn Tidmand. He performed 'Sangen om dig', which placed right in the middle, at 9th place. Unfortunately, neither DR - or any participating country's TV-stations - has a copy of the entirety of the show. DR only owns a snippet [of the show]. Back when DR transmitted the shows from 1957 to 1966, it was - like now - live, but DR didn't tape it. The same was true for the Eurovision Song Contest in Copenhagen in 1964. (Photo: Dr archive)
What can be concluded from that paragraph, is that the Danish tape did not go lost due to a fire, but rather, was never even recorded. I have not been able to find a source, saying that there was a fire at DR's archives. Finding the source of the claim has also been unsuccessful.
Additionally, I have been unable to find the BBC documentary The Lost Tapes, as mentioned in reference 7https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_1964#cite_note-7. Having made a post on Reddit, in order to try and find the documentary, the original user who cited the documentary came in to help find ithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lilduff90#Need_help_finding_the_documentary_%22The_lost_tapes%22_you_cited. However, I have still been unsuccessful in finding the referenced documentary.
Reason why I haven't just edited the mistakes, is because my fear of typographical errors, and not being able to formulate myself proper. Felt this was a necessary  thing to bring people's attention to, and hope someone will take on the job of fixing the falsehoods in the article.
--VicKapAnd (talk) 16:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Report of a fire at DR is false 

message: The link that supposedly proves that the show still exists in France (http://inatheque.ina.fr/doc/TV-RADIO/DA_CPF96003532/9eme-concours-eurovision-de-la-chanson-1964?rang=334) - does that actually represent a recording? Is it not more of a copyright notice? Spiny Norman (talk) 22:39, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reported French copy 

message: In 2023, I found someone who was able to gain access to all of the media in the INA website, ranging from videos to audio files. 
When he checked INA’s page on the 1964 contest, he found an hour long audio clip with commentary from Robert Beauvais, which is mentioned in the very first seconds. Unfortunately the audio is incomplete, as it fades to narration and the sound of fanfare during Belgium’s entry. Someone else saved the audio, and uploaded it to YouTube. https://youtube.com/nvOnax6ATjU?si=_3QbMo6oQQ3pnmkJ
I think my edit regarding this can heavily changed, mainly because of my failed attempt to include a source from YT. If anyone can help me properly source it, that would be a big help. Jusherman (talk) 20:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I replaced the sentence with a statement and direct link to INA's archive. The Youtube-link has copyright issues (as you said yourself, it seems to have been stolen from INA and illegaly uploaded by a user) and should therefore not be included (see WP:YT). A direct link to INA where the audio can be consulted (by professional subscribers) is the better solution, in my opinion. EurovisionLibrarian (talk) 15:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  INA audio