Talk:Lakandula

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: page moved --  JHunterJ (talk) 19:18, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Why cant we do the right thing. Lakan is the title (paramount ruler), Banao is the first name (according to the Spanish account) and Dula (an independent move from surname Bolkiah) is the last name. So, the right name is Lakan Banao Dula and not Rajah Lakan Dula or plain Lakandula. Who is controlling this Wikipedia page anyway? This page has become a laughing stock already.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.57.52.42 (talk) 08:29, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If you will change the name of the article, PLEASE DO NOT use the second common erroneous use of "Lakandula", it IS NOT, NOR EVER ONE TERM, IT IS TWO TERMS AND MUST BE USED AS SUCH "Lakan Dula", "Lakandula" is mere gibberish.  Take note:  Lakan Dula is a title, NOT A PERSONAL NAME, so in this case, we refer to this specific Lakan Dula as "Lakan Dula Banao".--LakanBanwa (talk) 04:13, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: This article was moved from Rajah Lakan Dula, whose talk page had recently been archived by an admin due to violations of WP:NOTOPINION and Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks.  Since this page(Lakandula)'s talk page has similar violations of WP:NOTOPINION (thankfully no violations of Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks yet), I am proposing a moving of the contents of the previous talkpage (the content between the headers and the move request - or at least, the first two headings, since the last two headings, while speculative, do raise issues about sources.) to /Archive 2.  However, I would rather not be the one to do any moving. Perhaps an admin? - Alternativity (talk) 21:29, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: --Bluemask (talk) 05:42, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Archives and Archiving 

message: We are all relieved that this article was finally renamed Lakandula because this is indeed an article about Lacandola Tall Tales of Lubao town in Pampanga. Then, there will be possibility of coming out with the correct article entitled Lakan Dula someday, where the Lakan Dula High School of Tondo was named after. It happened before, there was a Lakandula article and another article Rajah Lakan Dula. Then, the Lakandula article , because of fewer hits, was merged with this Rajah Lakan Dula article. Now, they changed the Rajah Lakan Dula article to Lakandula for a complete circle. Why do they renamed it to Lakandula, no historical reason..except that it is near to Lacandola, a common Filipino surname who happens to be one of the surnames of the grandfather of Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, who is now in jail for several cases. The family has paid hacks who do all these things. They are good in playing around the Wikipedia system.This latest efforts will backfire on them and will earn the hatred of the descendants of Lakan Dula of Tondo, the patriots on descendants of Lacandola of Lubao, the traitors.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.204.246.39 (talk) 13:06, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: untitled

message: No evidence was given to support his use of "Muhammed", vandalism...  Also, Banaw or "Banao" was a personal name, so it would be properly used as "Lakan Dula Banaw/Banao" if need be used, otherwise, simple Lakan Dula, ALSO, "Lakan Dula" is a title as well as a dynasty, so therefore, there were previous Lakan Dulas before the last one, which IS this one.--LakanBanwa (talk) 00:28, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This Lakan Dula specifically was from Tondo, if I'm not mistaken, all the "Lakan Dulas" are from Tondo...  Now, if there was another nation with a ruler using "Lakan", but without "Dula" following it, then you have something to investigate there.--LakanBanwa (talk) 10:52, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lakan Dula, Banaw, and the Muhammed vandalization 

message: I've read the Wikipinas, it says Lakan Dula was a Muslim if not it also says one of his descendants Magat Salamat was a Muslim. 76.193.178.126 (talk) 20:46, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Nick Joaquin in his book Manila, My Manila, the title of Lakan for Lakan Dula suggests that he is an animist. But since Rajah Sulayman was Muslim, it was suggested that he also tried Islam, but reverted back to animism. Arius1998 (talk) 13:43, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

text: If according to Nick Joaquin in his book Manila, My Manila, the title is Lakan and Dula is the surname, hence Lakan Dula (which is also what Henry Scott said), then, why is the title of this article Lakandula, instead of Lakan Dula? Who are editors here who are pushing for the wrong Lakandula and who are too cavalier in editing this article and pushing for their agenda? What is there motive? Who will benefit from this intentional mistake? Lets answer first the more basic question before we answer the question whether Lakan Dula is a Muslim or not.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.57.47.71 (talk) 03:19, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  So was Lakan Dula an Animist or Muslim prior to Spanish arrival? 

message: No. Gloria Arroyo is not descendant of Lakan Dula of Tondo. She is a descendant of a certain Lacandola guy of Arayat. Lakan Dula of Tondo has seven children, namely: Batang Dula, Martin Lakan Dula, Magat Salamat, Felipe Salonga, Dionisio Capulong, Luis Salugmoc and Maria Poloin. None of the seven children has a surname Lacandola. So, the great grandfather of Gloria Arroyo with a surname Lacandola is not one of the children of Lakan Dula of Tondo nor one of the grand children. If the great grandfather of Gloria is not a descendant of the children nor grandchildren of Lakan Dula of Tondo, she must have descended from another person and not from Lakan Dula of Tondo, and therefore, the claim that Gloria Arroyo is a descendant of Lakan Dula of Tondo is fake and a historical plunder.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.57.47.71 (talk) 03:44, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Gloria Arroyo a descendant of  Lakan Dula of Tondo? 

message: If we are to strictly apply the APA Manual on the citations here, a lot of sources here will not qualify because APA, now the global mainstream research standard requires the page number where the exact quotation was lifted. This is use for other researchers to be able to verify the exact sources, the exact quotation and the context from where it was quoted. Those quotes that were mentioned here but whose page number was not stated from the original sources should temporarily be removed until such time when the page number, as required by the APA Manual had been identified.This is also a way to make Wikipedia more acceptable to the academic community. The University of the Philippines for instances, is not comfortable with articles coming from Wikipedia and one reason for this is that a lot of the articles do not comply with the APA Manual.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.204.203.238 (talk) 04:18, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  PROPER ACADEMIC CITATIONS 

message: Hi everyone, I've initiated a noticeboard discussion on the reliability of FFE Magazine (as a WP source on Philippine History) on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard.  This reference may have been used on multiple Philippines-related Wikipedia articles, so I'd like to inform the community about it, and request participation in the discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#FFE_Magazine.
Thanks! :D -Alternativity (talk) 07:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliability of FFE Magazine (Invitation to comment at a WP:RSN discussion) 

message: Based on the current Wikipedia Article about Juan Macapagal written by the Macapagal family of Lubao, it says: "As one of the requirements of the Spanish authorities when he asked for more privileges to be given to his family he had to show proof of descent from the old Lord of Tondo. In the records, it is shown that his parents were Capitan Don Gonzalo Capulong and Dona Maria Bina; Don Gonzalo Capulong was the son of Don Dionisio Capulong, the eldest son of Don Carlos Lacandola.[2] The signature of Don Dionisio Capulong (c. 1594-1607) was found in the UST archives Libro 22, as published by Alberto Santamaría in his article El “Baybayin” en el Archivo de Santo Tomas, in Unitas Vol. XVI No. 8, February 1938. Courtesy of Christopher Ray Miller, Ph.D., 2011."
So, Dionisio Capulong was born in 1594. Lakandula died in 1575 as per the Wikipedia Lakandula dominated by the Macapagal family. It is biologically impossible for a son to be born several years after the death of the father. Its now final, the Macapagal are not descendants of Lakandula or Carlos Lacandola.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.201.65.166 (talk) 14:03, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE THAT THE MACAPAGALS ARE NOT DESCENDANTS OF LAKAN BUNAO DULA OF TONDO