Talk:Louisville, Kentucky/Archive 5

message: "Satan's Foyer" 'is' an actual Louisville nickname in some circles.
Evn ashe 01:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, that's really just hearsay and we could generate an infinite number of supposed actual nicknames that way. See our policy on verifiability, you'll need to cite a reliably published source saying that nickname is of some meaningful level of usage. --W.marsh 04:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Edit war: IP dude and Stevietheman, knock it off please. You keep changing the spelling of one of the nicknames back and forth, and I really can't see that it's making much of a difference. You're both way past the three-revert rule and might be at risk of getting blocked if you keep it up. Chill! Hersfold 23:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummm, hadn't you noticed this anon's vandalizing history? OK, instead of reverting, I will put a cite requirement on it, so it can be proved either way. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 23:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Ditto, it's strange that Hersfold did not bother to look up the IPusers vandalising history early-on. As a new user, I would suggest checking up on the user contributions for this vandal and 76.177.18.83. The latter has been blocked for a short time.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 23:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: If this was the first change by the anon, I would agree with you.  I'm sad to say that, on this, you're off base. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 23:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ditto. The IP user simply changed to a different address when blocked and continued to vandalise. I give no sympathy to vandals or those who support it.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 23:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nickname

message: Why doesn't Louisville's aritcle have a tallest buildings section like other similar sized cities.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.200.135 (talk • contribs) 
*Well, we do, it's just located on Downtown Louisville (I think it was originally here?) I didn't do the move but maybe it should be mentioned here, in abbreviated form. I have added a link to the downtown article in the sentence about tallest buildings, for the time being. Thanks for the comment. --W.marsh 21:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tallest buildings

message: In light of the frequent reverts today I have (semi)protected this article. Please discuss the changes here first, thanks/wangi 23:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  12/01/2007 

message: I thought I'd open this up as a new discussion.  I had thought that "The 'Ville" refers to U of L more than the city of Louisville.  And I thought that "Da Ville" was the urban/rap slang used for the city.  Hopefully, we can wring this out somehow.  We could also decide not to place any slang nicknames in the infobox. Any thoughts? Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 19:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 'Ville and Da Ville 

message: From 1974 to 1988, Jefferson County had a net loss of over 50,000 people.
Louisville's metro area is outgrowing Lexington's by a significant margin (about 4,100 a year, or 41,000 per census), and is growing nearly as fast as Cincinnati's metro area.
Both of these statements of fact need citations... and I fail to find any fact to back them up. Anyone?76.177.18.83 02:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you live in Louisville?  If you did, you would know it's "most".  Some facts are experiential in nature. Perhaps a reference will ultimately be found, but we cannot leave key information out when everyone who experiences Louisville knows it's true. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 17:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Based on your prior vandalism and nonsense edits using two separate IP accounts, you really don't have much of a leg to stand on with regards to lecturing anyone as to what is encyclopedic. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 17:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It looks as if the IPvandal continues to strike; today at urban exploration, the IPvandal continued.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 18:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: That's what the fact tag is there for.  We assume good faith with reasonable-sounding content. It is fair to let it sit for a while to give editors time to find a reference. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 17:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   Citations

message: "Many geographers consider Louisville to be Kentucky's primate city" again, uncited... can anyone cite this? "Many geographers"? Who? Where? Firstmost, the term primate city normally refers to cities within a country, not a state and secondly with Lexington being a hub of the state in many capacities one can certainly not view Louisville as "unrivaled"(per the wiki Primate City entry).76.177.18.83 08:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See List of United States cities by population.  According to the latest Census estimate, Louisville is #27. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 01:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primate City? 

message: "Between the 1990 Census and 2000 Census, Louisville's metro area population outgrew Lexington's by 149,415, and Cincinnati's by 23,278"  I can't find this data anywhere... is there a cite? 76.177.18.83
:The stats that these figures are based on are included in the metro area articles, and those stats are sourced.  Simple math is allowable and is not original research. 
:Also, I would ask you to please stop this pattern of trying to de-feature this article via fact tag placement. It is not a welcome behavior. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 17:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop Growth 

message: "Influenced by both Midwestern and Southern culture, Louisville is often referred to as the northernmost Southern city and southernmost Northern city in the United States."
Actually, I'll agree with 76.177.18.83, there needs to be a citation for that. The wording, "often referred," needs to be verified.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 05:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I definently think this general issue should be addressed in the article... most non-Kentuckians I talk to eventually ask something along the lines of "So is Louisville in part of the south or the midwest or the north or what?" Personally I think it's history has a good deal in common with rust belt cities, although with some elements of southern culture, or at least emulation of it. At any rate, I did find this: "Louisville is one of the oldest river ports in the country, and also the northernmost Southern city of any size" (Seattle Times). Not sure if Seattle newspaper writers are really that great of a source for opinions on Louisville culture though. I would almost say scrap the disputed claim until we get it cited... the intro of an FA shouldn't have sentences with a  tag. --W.marsh 06:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The closest I came to was in a Falcon guide but it was vague at best.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 07:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I feel that the current Wikipedia entry (14 Feb 2007) on Louisville, KY does not give sufficient coverage to the city's most illustrous son and the greatest sportsperson on Earth, Muhammad Ali.  More on Ali, please.
82.44.184.208 22:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a separate article on him.  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 23:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree that it would be a good idea to add a blurb about Ali, but it would necessarily link to Muhammad Ali. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 18:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muhammad Ali 

message: Saying "Louisville is a Southern city" takes the content out of the balance of what it already was saying, where the reader can make the judgment.  It's also redundant, as the content already places the city inside a Southern state.  It doesn't matter at all that the addition is referenced.  That there are contradictory references I'm confident the author of this addition is aware of; therefore, a statement of 100% certainty is inappropriate.  The current content expresses fully well the conflict of where Louisville is positioned, and that's where it needs to be left.
Also, I highly suspect the author of the direct statement is seeking conflict for the sake of conflict.  Why? Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 02:25, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with that is that Midwestern, in the form of Ohio of Indiana, is equivalent to Northern, so that would be introducing a redundancy.  Further, we can't just add text that has no backup in references.  If you have references that distinguish between Midwestern and Northern, and demonstrate that Louisville is influenced by both, that would be a different story.  But again, Midwestern is equivalent to Northern. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 15:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not redundant at all -- it's saying what it means to say, that even though positioned inside an overall southern state, the culture is a mix of both midwestern and southern.  Also, in the context of what's "north", Indiana and Ohio, which are in the Midwest, are the influencing regions, not the Northeastern areas of the country like New York.  Again, if you have references to support your position, please bring them here. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 23:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Direct statement about where Louisville is geographically placed

message: I don't think it's appropriate to use the local pronunciation in the lead of an encyclopedic article. The notion that the local pronunciation of a state, county, city or town is somehow more correct than that of other speakers of the same language living in the same country doesn't have much merit. The poing of having IPA and a sound file in the lead in the first place is to instruct on the general pronunciation of the name by native speakers, which in this case is Americans in general, not to serve as a guide to the local language. What it all boils down to is that the name "Louisville" is something that is, so to speak, the property of all Americans, not just those living in Louisville.
Besides, the local pronunciation would still be in the article, so I don't see the point on insisting on it in the lead.
Peter Isotalo 21:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand your point, but I don't agree.  There are different variations of pronouncing Louisville, depending on which specific city you are referring to.  The pronunciation is not the property of the entire country -- that's a new one on me.  The local pronunciation is what people need to know first, due to the cultural relevance of that pronunciation over the King's English approach.  At any rate, almost no Louisvillian will stand for showing anything other the regular pronunciation first.  It's really not worth the back-and-forth.  Also note that this pronunciation has been there unchallenged for two straight years until you decided to change it. What's there now is correct. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 02:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It doesn't matter what anyone chooses to believe.  This is an encyclopedia, and we only add factual content that can be backed up. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 15:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standard pronunciation 

message: What I've done so far is copy 2006 estimates from the metro area article, and the number updates are not complete yet.  I am not sure where the U.S. Census Bureau keeps the 2006 info, so until that is figured out, some of the numbers may be askew. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 02:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Article. 17th or 27th?  Seicer (talk) (contribs) 12:46, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It is hard to say, as Austin, Texas has surpassed Louisville in population. Either way, as said above, it is 17th or 27th. Ajwebb 13:30, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: At any rate, the 2006 numbers just came out, so it couldn't have been updated until today.  And now they are. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Thats true, thanks for updating the information! Ajwebb 15:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Population updates

message: This section says that the only coal fired plant serving the city are Mill Creek. What about the power plants at Kosmosdale and the one accross from Shawnee Park in New Albany IN? Also, the eastern suburbs of the city get hydropower from Dix Dam on Lake Herrington, near Danville KY. If you notice those huge power lines on I-64 just east of the Synder- those originate from Dix Dam Angry Aspie 15:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, even though this article is featured, it is probably nowhere close to being "complete".  Please feel free to add this info to the article or add a suggestion to the todo list at the top-right of this talk page. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 16:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Utilities