Talk:Islamic Government

message: Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini) → Hokumat-e Islami : Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini)  
Why?: Islamic Government is the title of both English translations of Khomeini's book.  
Hokumat-e Islami is given as the Farsi title of Khomeini's book in every book studying the  subject (Theology of Discontent by Dabashi, Reinventing Khomeini by Brumberg, etc.) I have read, with  The Islamic Government, Authority of the Jurist sometimes also being mentioned as a title used. 
Using this title would also make the job of Vilayat-e Faqih disambugation easier. 
I suggest to move this article to Islamic government: guardianship of the jurist (book by Khomeini)  and redirect Hokumat-e Islami : Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini) to it. Because when we translate a book we should translate it's name too.--Sa.vakilian 03:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
====Survey - Support votes====
# Support move Let's follow the norms established outside WP. Zora 07:02, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
====Survey - Support votes====
# Support move Let's follow the norms established outside WP. Zora 07:02, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: # Support move Let's follow the norms established outside WP. Zora 07:02, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - Support votes

message: #Oppose Either keep Valiyat-e faqih or change to Islamic Government.  I would like to remind users that this is the English WP; thus, we need not add further cryptic terms like Hokumat-e Islami.  I definitely opposed this move.  Let us end this babel and make life easier for posterity.--Patchouli 19:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - Oppose votes

message: There is a precedent in wiki-land for keeping the original titles of non-English books, e.g. Ma'alim fi-l-Tariq, Das Capital
--Leroy65X 18:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Apropos sugestion of Sa.vakilian, should article be moved to: 
*1) Hokumat-e Islami : Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini) 
(Reason: there is a precedent in wiki-land for keeping the original titles of non-English books, e.g. Ma'alim fi-l-Tariq, Das Capital)
or
*2) Islamic government: guardianship of the jurist (book by Khomeini)
(Reason: "when we translate a book we should translate it's name too".)  
(currently the title is Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini) which the previous survey voted to change.)
Discussion
===Survey===
:Add  # Support Arabic  or  # Support English  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
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#Islamic Government (book by Khomeini).  I propose a reformation to change the titles of Sayyid Qutb's book to English, too.--Patchouli 22:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Vote: Should title be in Arabic or English Translation? 

message: :Add  # Support Arabic  or  # Support English  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
Arabic
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#Islamic Government (book by Khomeini).  I propose a reformation to change the titles of Sayyid Qutb's book to English, too.--Patchouli 22:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Do to the low turnout of the 2nd survey I'm goijng to go with the winner of the first survey Hokumat-e Islami : Valiyat-e faqih (book by Khomeini). 
Of course Patchouli and Sa.vakilian are free to work on getting support for further changes  (like changing all the non-English language book wiki articles to English titles, which I can't say would be a bad idea ... but there's no survey support for it) if they feel like it. Any comments? --Leroy65X 01:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey results 

message: What is needed is a DEMOCRATIC Islamic Republic, it was proposed by Ayatullah Shariat Madari, Ayatullah Taleghani and Ayatullah al-Khoei.  Even Ayatullah as-Sistani urged direct elections in Iraq and assured that he would stay out of poitics but the constitution must be based on Sharia'.
Al-Zaidi 7:22, 24 January 2007 (EST)
:Excuse me. I think you misunderstood. This debate is about the name of an article but you speak about type of government. --Sa.vakilian 03:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just separate the argument of the advocacy for Islamic democracy#Islamist democracy from the survey.
By the way, Sistani called for "democracy" as I remember.  Then his SCIRI killed homosexuals (death fatwa) and he called for the punishment of those who blaspheme Islam.  However, he is less radical than Khamenei.--Patchouli 19:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Islamist democracy

message: The book was written in Arabic.  The lectures were given in Arabic.--Patchouli 22:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Algar, Dabashi and Brumberg (and some others too I think) the lectures were given in Persian and an arabic translation didn't come out until much later. --Leroy65X 18:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabic title 

message: I rather stupidly bolloxed the survey by talking about "english" and "arabic" it should be english and persian. Perhaps that's why no one is voting. Leroy65X 17:10, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  My apologies

message: In addition to moving this page to a new title I have created some redirect pages for Islamic Government (book by Khomeini) and Islamic Government, Guardianship of the Jurist (book by Khomeini) so if the people who don't like untranslated non-English titles ever get their way they can use one of those pages and change this one to a redirect! :-) --Leroy65X 18:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move has been made

message: Thank you Afasmit for spellchecking. I should have done it. --Leroy65X 15:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Thanks

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