Talk:Duke of Valentinois

message: By way of explanation, I've been removing this title from the succession boxes of the Princes of Monaco who held it for their entire lives since it's simply one of twenty-some titles held by the Grimaldi family (see Sovereign Prince of Monaco). However, I left it on Albert I, Princess Charlotte, and Rainier III since the two princes only held it for part of their lives, and Princess Charlotte was given it by Albert I, rather than simply inheriting it with a bunch of other titles. — Dan | Talk 00:37, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Succession boxes

message: Please don´t revert the editions, thi editions have verificable and true sources and references and all of them is in consonance with policy of Wikipedia. I suggset you, help to bet the article without partial sense but with true references and true references in pos from hitorical knowledge.
Thank you and be educated.
--Siredejoinville (talk) 15:10, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Regrettably, it is clear that you do not have sufficient competence in the English language to contribute text to English Wikipedia. You have tried repeatedly, and your efforts are appreciated, but much of your writing in English is incomprehensible -- even when it is obvious that you are using a translating machine. Nor may you copy and move text written in English by other authors unless that usage is allowed by applicable copyright law. Unfortunately, you can only expect to have your contributions of text reverted, not only because it would take too long to translate, but because it is often unclear what you are attempting to say and doubtful that sources can be footnoted which document the accuracy of your contribution. Thankyou for trying, but please stop and contribute in ways where your competence is better, e.g. photos, art or in French or Italian Wikipedia. FactStraight (talk) 00:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid this article hasn't got any better. Some assertions and excessive detail to look at and a lot of editorializing in bad English. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 13:45, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edition Duke of Valentinois 

message: In pursuit to get a good article, well referenced and historically real from historical point, please don´t erase once at once at once by hiden interest. Duke of Valentinois is a simple title of Kingdom of France, it was instituted for Cesar Borgia and It is not the Count of Valentinois title which is ancient title based in a ancient Roman Empire Charge.
The redaction of this article must not cause disturbing in persons which pretend the title in one or another ways. The article is treated from the historical true point and it has nothing to see with Borgias or Grimaldis.
Front the afraid of any pretender the article is very clear. First Duke of Valentinois is not same that Duke of Valentinois jure uxoris that was delivered at Goyon Matignoc Grimaldi which was carried by last time inside French laws by Albert I. Duke of Valentinois delivered at Cesar Borgia was an ancient title instituted in two ways, inside French peerage and under Apostolic Authority and it is so different than Grimaldis title. The article is being explained step under historical true facts.
For that reason I ask you for intelligence, education, respect for other people labours and of course you can help to do best but you don´t disturbe the article or looking conflict with me for. And for that the article will be rewrite or remake how much times is need.
Thank you.
:Please see comments in the section above, which apply to your most recent contributions. FactStraight (talk) 12:49, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Soon enough, if this continues, we could have him again as the current title holder, as was the case before I reverted. --Maragm (talk) 15:24, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  A favor for all of us 

message: Ladies and Gentlemen, excuses without foundation have been arised by your, I explain:
First: House of Valois is a cadet branche of House of Capet. House of Valois is descendant of Charles Capet, Count of Valois who was younger brother of Philip Capet, best knew as Philip the Beauty or Philip the King of Iron.
Second: House of Bourbon is a cadet branche of House of Capet. House of Bourbon is descendant of Louis Capet or Luois XI of France, throu his younger brother Robert, Count of Clermont, who married with Beatrix of Bourbon.
Third: The title of Prince of France in France is not exclusive from Royal family. The exclusive title of Royal Family is Prince of the Blood; nevertheless, the title of Prince of the blood was be able to be delivered to a speciphic people choose by the King.
Fourth: The title of Prince of Prance could be in two senses, highest Dukes were in fact, Princes of France and also existing some Princes foreigner who were Princes of France.
Fifth: Dukes of France weren´t all of them equals, in this sense some had a highest rank than others but also in this sense, Dukes of France were superiors in rank to Subsidiaries Princes from France, it´s for this reason that Duke of Valentinois of Grimaldi was always subject to the effective Prince of Monaco, no one more was be able to carried the title and for that reason existed the rule Juro Uxoris.
Sixth: Dauphiny was part of Holy Roman Empire and formed part of negotiation from carolingians with Holy See, House of Albon and Dauphiny were vassals of Holy See for centuries and this was the problem with France. This land ending passed to France with negotiations between Louis XII and Alexander VI.
Septh: The noble titles just were noble titles from XIII and XIV centuries, before they just were charges coming form Roman Empires and their character was just like Major Militar or Gobernos Militar or Civil Ruler. It just until the noble titles were transformed in surrenders of the Kings this were delivered like titles with royal Patents, before noble titles were transformed little by little in vassals territories with authority for create coind and leave armies served to the King; nevertheless, many powerful vassals were more strongest than the King and this was combat by Capets and Valois and Bourbons; also by many other dinasties.
Thank you and please don´t disturbe more, be gentles and educated.
--Siredejoinville (talk) 22:23, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You are not giving refs for your claims.  You must give a reference, which includes page numbers for books and long papers.  You are also copying material without attribution.  Without references your claims mean nothing.  Everything you claim must be verified.  Bgwhite (talk) 22:37, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Answers to multiple excuse without foundation arise by users