Talk:Nathaniel Bacon (Virginia colonist)

message: Just a quick note, I've rewritten a large portion of this article, today. Hopefully it's much better sourced, now, among other things. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Substantial rewrite 

message: This article needs more information, some restructuring and a bit more historical context.
*Because the editors are using encyclopedias and what appear to be textbooks as their main sources, this article's information on Bacon is very limited. While it may be difficult to find information on Bacon, it is not impossible. The editors need to dig in their heels and do serious research. (I would start with the references listed here. They will also have bibliographies that will hopefully lead you to better material.
*I would suggest that the "Identification" section be incorporated into the "Early life" section or put into a footnote. It is strange to have Bacon die and then start discussing his birthdate and existence. 
*The lead needs to be expanded a bit more per WP:LEAD.
*The section on Bacon's Rebellion, while informing the reader to an extent of the historical background, needs to do still more. Berkeley, for example, is not introduced anywhere - he just appears.
Drop me a line on my talk page if you have any questions concerning this review. Awadewit | talk 09:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA fail

message: No one knows for certain when he was born. An earlier attribution of him as the Nathaniel Bacon born in 1646 or 1647 appears to be spurious, based on no firm foundation, although widely repeated in later literature including Encyclopaedia Britannica, and the new Dictionary of National Biography. The old Dictionary of National Biography lists only a supposed birthyear and credits his father as Thomas from a contemporary document, but no mother is listed.
The birthdate is not correct.  It was based on a false pasting of him onto another Nathaniel Bacon of that birthdate.  Any book or article which purports to give him a particular birthdate is based ultimately on this bad research which they merely repeat.  I'm particularly grieved to see the new Dictionary of National Biography merely repeating this falsehood without doing the proper research to see that it's false.
In my ap us history book, (The American Pagent), it states that Bacon led 1,000 followers, not 500. Which is true? I was just wondering... I see that the information was taken from the book I have, I believe that I also have the 2002 version, so I'm not sure why they put 500 people.?
:Edit the page, cite your source with a page number, and you'll be fine. Wjhonson 06:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, most sources erroneously give him a birthdate based on a baptismal record for a different Nathaniel Bacon. There is no proof the two Nathaniel's are the same person and there is reason to believe they are not.Wjhonson 05:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthdate

message: Is it really fair to call Nathaniel Bacon a poor farmer, considering his linneage? I remember hearing that he had over one thousand pounds to invest in a plantation he himself owned.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.64.16 (talk) 21:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor farmer 

message: The engraving is From "An Historical Discourse" thus it shows the other Nathaniel Bacon of the 17th Century.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.216.101.202 (talk) 19:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of the wrong man 

message: The current text decries the identification with the son of Thomas Bacon of Friston Hall as spurious, despite several authorities that confirm it. We need a source for this judgment, especially since the ODNB also affirms it, and specifies the sum Nathaniel Bacon was handed when he was sent off to the New World. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Spurious

message: I'm almost positive that the picture on this page is not of Nathaniel Bacon, leader of Bacon's Rebellion, but rather of Sir Nathaniel Bacon, the noted English painter, who lived between 1585 and 1627 entirely in England, and was made a Knight of Bathe in 1625. These are two entirely different people.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.70.107.137 (talk) 15:17, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture? 

message: This image is of the painter Nathaniel Bacon, not the Virginia colonist Nathaniel Bacon.  Note the category at the bottom of the image page on Wikimedia and, for instance the Yale Center for British Art (link: http://collections.britishart.yale.edu/vufind/Record/3622630) here: "People Represented or Subject • Bacon, Sir Nathaniel (1585–1627), painter".  Further research on Google Books shows this as well. TuckerResearch (talk) 16:48, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: This is the painter, not the Virginia colonist

message: All mention of the most significant aspect of Bacon's rebellion has been whitewashed from this article.  That is to say, the most significant aspect of Bacon's rebellion was that it was a slave rebellion, uniting both enslaved and bonded workers, both black and white, against their oppressors.  The most significant consequence of the Rebellion was the Virginia Slave Codes of 1705, which legally enshrined a racial caste system that reverberates into modern American society.
I'm not a scholar, so it's not my place to fix this article.  This is a call for help: someone needs to correct and then defend history in this article.
WP:YESBIAS  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmayer (talk • contribs) 17:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitewashing of all mention of slavery from this article