Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 5

message: If it features prominently on two news sites based out of the country then it warrants inclusion.  Problem with that is that it's a bit specific, but then the current choice of wording is down to personal opinion way too much.  violet/riga (t) 09:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: A different suggestion

message: Could the length be pruned? Right now, it is longer than the FA lead on the main page and this pushes DYK to the bottom. --Gurubrahma 14:56, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length 

message: In the blurb about the shootings in India, can we provide a link to the scientist who died (M C Puri)? Maybe like this: ...kills one scientist and injures.... Dralwik 03:02, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the suggestion. Done. --Pamri • Talk 04:01, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link about India shooting 

message: Not opposed to this being here, since it is news (sort of), but the determination itself was made months ago!  Morwen - Talk 22:22, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leap second 

message: The ITN section looks rather slim on the Main Page, with only four items.  I suggest something be added, but I'm not sure what might be appropriate.  Any thoughts?  --King of All the Franks 19:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs another item 

message: Is a piffling security vulnerabilty in Windows really front-page material? --Sum0 14:44, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree, and I've changed it for an important Ugandan politics story.--Pharos 05:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I whould suggest it does when it affects probably +89% of Windows versions and +99% of Windowses in use and can be exploited with no user interaction in multiple cases. It DEFINATELY deserves to be put back up when MS issues its offical patch for it. 68.39.174.238 08:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows security vulnerability  

message: Why is the Window security flaw news at all?
Why include the Sago Mine story but not the German ice rink story?
Jombo 20:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nominate it at the proper place and link me an article. --Golbez 20:08, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows Security Flaw and Sago Mine story. 

message: Can the Abramoff buissiness' link be changed to "Jack Abramoff lobbying and corruption scandal", which is where the page resides now so it doesn't redirect? Thanx 68.39.174.238 07:27, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking 

message: This template should use the image Flag of Dubai.svg instead of :Image:Uae-dubai.gif. —Guanaco 22:06, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Irrelevant now. --Golbez 22:08, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: I'm not wed to the idea, but has anybody here considered semi-protecting this page instead of the current full protection? Does the admin-only model keep up without too much effort, or is more help by non-admins needed? Is a four day old account enough to deter vandalism? Again, I'm not wed to idea; I just want to spark some discussion about this. --mav 02:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This as mooted at WT:SEMI, but rejected. It's too high profile to have thousands of different versions a day, and the admins aren't at all overloaded with it: the actual headlines don't change all that often. -Splashtalk 02:30, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Not only that, but a sleeper account could get through, and an offensive picture on ITN is far more damaging than one on George W. Bush. That was why we protected in the first place, way back when. --Golbez 03:30, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection? 

message: The source code of this template is missing a final </div> tag. Please an administrator fix this, since this is causing problems when I am trying to switch Wikipedia:WikiProject_Usability/Main_Page/Draft to use a div-based layout instead of a table-based layout. There is a similar problem for . Infinity0 talk 20:21, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot find the missing tag. I see one DIV with two DIVs nested inside it. Could you be more specific where the unpaired DIV tag and where its partner should go? — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:56, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Markup Bug, please fix 

message: Can someone please wiki link the 2006 Hajj Stampede article to the word stampede? It is not currently linked in "In the news" section on the main page. - GaneshkT/C\@ 16:48, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hajj stampede

message: It didn't land in the Great Salt Lake, but in the Great Salt Lake Desert; see the article for exact location.  There is kind of a big difference; one is very, very wet, and the other is very, very dry.  :-)  --Russ Blau (talk) 21:21, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stardust 

message: The template reads "Many shares in stocks of the Internet company...".  U.S. usage at least would be "Many shares of stock of the Internet..."  "Of" rather than "in".  Is this a common Japanese/English translation that I'm not aware of?  Dismas|(talk) 06:52, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shares of/in stock 

message: Can somebody put sh: intewiki link on this template? The link is sh:Template:Događaji --M. Pokrajac 23:47, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sh: interwiki link 

message: Can the image on the main page be changed to ? The launch is the number one news article on the list. - Ganeshk (talk) 00:38, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the news image 

message: Please add an interwiki link to the Vietnamese version of this template:
 vi:Tiêu bản:Tin tức
Thanks.
 – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 08:06, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, you undid the link when you added in the item about the Iraqi election.  :^) – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 08:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that; I think it had something to do with my preparing the Iraqi election item in advance on 'preview'– anyway, it's cleared up now, hopefully for the last time. :)--Pharos 09:16, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interwiki link to vi: 

message: I'd like to replace the badly-photoshopped FU image of the Kosovar president. But we don't have a flag (presumably it's the Serbian one, but that way must lie politics and shtuff), and the map isn't very good either. So I'm inclined to think we should jiggle the story order, maybe replacing it with the :Image:Husaybah vote.jpg, which is PD. That's a little out-of-date now though. -Splashtalk 05:32, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Badly photoshopped fair-use image today 

message: There is an HTML error in this template: there are two opening div tags and three closing tags. This error was introduced by this change (the opening tag was removed while the closing tag was not). The error causes margin problems on the main page; see Talk:Main_Page#Margin_for_today.27s_featured_picture. RexNL 23:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the best way to solve this is to re-add the accidentally removed  before the Wikinews link. RexNL 00:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Has been fixed. Thanks, RexNL 22:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HTML error 

message: Yesterday evening I had just got home from Tarja Halonen's election watch party. It was there that I and others definitely saw she had won. Halonen came there herself after the results were announced. At home I fired up Wikipedia and saw that there was nothing about the election in this template. So I thought that since I'm an admin, I can edit this. This is the first time in Wikipedia's life that Finland has held a presidential election, and the next one won't be until 2012. So this was my "big chance" to add new information about an important Finnish political topic. In my haste to be the first I didn't read all the rules on this page. JIP | Talk 06:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finnish presidential election, 2006 

message: I'm very surprised at Zocky's justification for removing the Mohammad cartoons story: "that page is experiencing an edit war and directing readers or new editors to it is not helpful." As I recall, George W. Bush, John Kerry and U.S. presidential election, 2004 were undergoing massive vandalism after the election results were announced. Should we not have linked to any of those articles at the time on the grounds that they were experiencing an edit war? -- ChrisO 19:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No that is not the reason here. There are just more important stories. A roof collapse that killed 66 people and newly elected leaders is more important. What Zocky was trying to say that the story just causes offense and calls for vandalism when it really isn't as important as an election or a roof collapse. --a.n.o.n.y.m   t 19:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what Zocky was trying to say. I know what he did say, and it wasn't a valid reason for removing the story. -- ChrisO 19:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

text: The story is old too. The drawings took place in September! The only thing that happened recently is that they were published in one of Denmarks christian magazines. I also don't understand the amerocentrism argument.  --a.n.o.n.y.m   t 19:29, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's new (which as a North American you perhaps aren't aware of) is that the story is getting massive coverage over here in Europe; newspapers in at least three other countries are running the pictures today as part of a protest against perceived religious censorship.  It's also currently one of the biggest stories in the Middle East after the Palestinian election results.  -- ChrisO 19:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Word from the outside world does reach us occassionally, you know. Gamaliel 19:35, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but with the SOTU speech in the US and the election in Canada I'm sure this particular story isn't that high up the news agenda. A big issue over on one side of the Atlantic usually tends to get diluted by the time it gets to the other side. -- ChrisO 19:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Fair point - I'd forgotten that particular requirement. Thanks for fixing the image. -- ChrisO 19:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Are the stories on the template in any particular order? --a.n.o.n.y.m   t 20:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muhammad cartoons link removal 

message: The blurb regarding the sinking of the Egyptian ferry misspells passengers.  —A.S. Damick talk contribs 12:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Fixed. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egyptian ferry sinking misspelling 

message: M/S Al-Salam Boccaccio 98 has been moved to M/V al-Salam Boccaccio 98 --24.26.178.224 01:23, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egyptian ferry article renamed 

message: Please add the word "the" before "game show" in the sentence "A stampede at a football stadium in the Philippines kills 73 people who were there to watch game show Wowowee." — Ливай  21:41, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar fix 

message: Kerry Packer's death is obviously not as important as the Super Bowl. Nice going. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:09, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the entry. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, looks like I've made myself look like an idiot. Apologies to all. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nice to see systemic bias is not at work here 

message: Wouldn't the Danish representation in the capital of Lebanon be technically the embassy? Or do they have more than one representative delegation in the same city? DHN 08:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The address of the Danish embassy in Lebanon  seems to match the location of the building being torched described by the BBC (Christian neighborhood, etc). DHN 08:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, We've been abit back and forth on that one. Most news agencies, including the Danish media, is calling it a conulate, so I'm inclined to go with that. But then we have http://www.ambassade.dk/dklebanbeie.php3 calling it an embassy, so I'm not sure what to say. Though, that site is listing the ambassador as being the one with address Damaskus, Syria, making the office in Beirut look less like a "real" embassy to me. But I'm no expert on these subtle differences, so if anyone claims to know that it's indeed a real embassy and should be named as such, I'll not object. Shanes 08:35, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if those people themselves claim to be an embassy, who are we to object? DHN 08:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Every single Danish news-paper I've checked is calling it a consulate (, ,  to name a few), the same is Norwegian media which are following this case closely as well. The Danish wikipedia is also calling it a consulate, and even made a new article on :dk:konsulat the last days to accompony the one they have on the drawings. Maybe there's a press statement somewhere from the Danish Foreign minestry calling it one or the other, but I'm out of time now, and have to do other stuff. Shanes 09:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the person who's officially ambassador to Lebanon lives in Damascus and there's only a small office in Beirut, then yeah, I think that's considered a consulate.  Denmark is a relatively small country, and understandably I guess they just don't have the foreign ministry budget to open a full-fledged embasssy in every world capital.--Pharos 16:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consulate? 

message: "Stephen Harper is sworn in as the 22nd Prime Minister of Canada. Several of his cabinet selections prompt controversy." February 7 2006
Actually, there are only 2 selected ministers out of 27 that are considered as controversial in Canada : one because he is in the opposation (Liberal Party) and the other because he had not been elected (he was named senator by Harper). I don't think "several" is the appropriate word here.--142.169.132.165 01:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Throw in press coverage about the selection of Vic Toews as Minister of Justice, the lack of women (incl. the omission of Diane Ablonczy) and you get several. The Tom 06:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy regarding Harper's cabinet selections 

message: Right now for news, we have stuff at the articles for individual dates, we have the Current Events page, we have links from WikiNews, and we have the news section on the main page. There has to be a way to make a single place where all the news is added, and the most important ones can be flagged by an admin for adding to the main page. For now there's items that's at one location and isn't found at all at another. Elfguy 13:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some way to link all news sources? 

message: I would change Torino emblem with the official Olympic logo comment by User:Avala
*We have a general policy against unfree images on the Main Page if they can at all be avoided.--Pharos 05:14, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture 

message: Anyone interested in reusing Template:Olympic news in a temporary Olympics section to be placed between ITN and the second feature, as we did in 2004 (see )? — Dan | talk 19:01, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was some discussion of this on Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates.  I've been working on both the 2006 Winter Olympics article and the main page redesign project.  I had mocked up something for ITN: User:Kmf164/In the news, and plugged it into a main page mock-up, User:Kmf164/Main page draft2.  If we do this, I think it should be two highlights, maximum.  Though, others on the talk page disliked the idea, I think it's worth doing.  --Aude (talk | contribs) 19:12, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I like the idea of having dedicated space on ITN for the Olympics. But more admin attention is needed. (I can't do much, as I have to stay offline for many days in the next little while....) I'll post a line about the first medal for now. -- PFHLai 17:55, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can another admin take over, please ? I have to stay away from the internet for the next few days and thus cannot do anymore Olympic updates on ITN. Thanks. -- PFHLai 21:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympic news 

message: Is this really world-wide-worthy news? Sure, it's funny, but I think there might be other news stories that deserve a spot on the front page. Eager to hear your comments. Bratschetalk 04:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dick Cheney's Incident 

message: What, no mention of the video showing British soldiers beating up Iraqi teenagers? Angr/talk 15:30, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please help us help you. ... Show us the updated wikiarticle. -- PFHLai 17:45, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iraqi abuse video 

message: How is this story relevant outside of Kenya?  youngamerican (talk)   18:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a hard time finding sth to replace the Nigerian bird flu and the recently discovered tomb in Egypt, both were posted last week. This Kenyan item is as big a news item with updated wikiarticles as I can find. BBC calls it the "Kenyan Corruption Crisis". Now 3 ministers have resigned. The VP may be next. Sounds serious to me. Certainly more exciting than some American judge going thru' a tough job interview, etc.  As I posted on the candidates page, "Fellow admins more familiar with the topic are invited to review this".  Does anyone have better updated wikiarticles to feature on ITN ? I'm waiting for someone familiar with Haitian elections, 2006 to propose a headline.  Anyone ? -- PFHLai 08:29, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would certainly be more notable than the Alito hearings if it turns out to be more than a cabinet-level shakeup and the Veep does indeed resign; I was unaware of that possibility. By the way, I am pretty sure non-admins can offer suggestions and and what not, the only limitation is that they cannot edit the template itself (which is etirely logical, imagine all of the crap about Pokemon and Ashlee Simpson that would be up there otherwise). Also, I am catching up on the Haitian elections and should have a headline proposed later today that you can post or tweak to maximize its effectiveness. Cheers.  youngamerican (talk) 14:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I added a headline on the suggestions page about the Haitian election for your consideration.  youngamerican (talk) 14:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the headline, Youngamerican. ... I guess I should've written "... invited to review and revise ...".  Yes, comments are always welcome, either from admins or non-admins. Just that non-admins can't actually do anything with the ITN template. -- PFHLai 17:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corruption in Kenya 

message: In the statement about there being sexual abuse etc. on the sentence about the prison, it incorrectly uses the comma before the word "and". It should be "[...] and" not "[...], and". KILO-LIMA 18:45, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the preferred format on Wikipedia IS to use a serial comma. --Golbez 20:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, you're both wrong. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Serial_commas.  There is no preferred style on this. Markyour words 20:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no preferred style here, but the serial comma is certainly best in most situations.  violet/riga (t) 21:27, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: In correct serial comma use

message: The sentence on by the UK House of Commons stating that they have passed a bill stating that smoking is banned in all places is incorrect. It should state that "it has been made illegal in England and Wales [Unsure of Northern Ireland]" as it is already a law in Scotland. This news makes it seem as though it has been banned throughout the United Kingdom all at one; which is, however, not true. Thanks, Hillhead15 13:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It makes it law in England and gives the Welsh Assembly the option to introduce it in Wales if they want to. (They have already voted in favour of the principle twice.) -Splashtalk 17:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Smoking ban

message: The Olympics highlights need updating, as the current items on the main page are from Saturday.  I'm not sure who's handling this, while User:PFHLai is unavailable.  I would suggest mentioning today's Canadian womens hockey gold medal win.  A couple other suggestions are mentioned on Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates and Current sports events, for consideration. --Aude (talk | contribs) 00:34, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympics needs updating 

message: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1715055,00.html
-Ste|vertigo 03:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A change, please 

message: You need to shorten this asap as it is pushing DYK down and throwing it out of whack. May be you can remove the David Irving bit?? --Gurubrahma 17:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The David Irving bit has been removed as requested. -- PFHLai 17:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shorten please

message: It is currently recommended to avoid using fair use images on the main page. This should probably be made a rule, for the same reasons that they are not allowed in other namespaces or talk pages (see WP:FU, where this page is currently listed as an exception). I also feel it gives the message to new users that uploading copyrighted material is the norm. ed g2s • talk 21:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use 

message: Am I in the right place to ask for this to be fixed? It wasn't a republican march which led to the Dublin riot; the rioters were republicans demonstrating against a planned loyalist march. Thanks.  Hibbleton 01:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, you're absolutely right. Fixed. -- ChrisO 01:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Whooops..... Thanks to Hibbleton for pointing this out, and ChrisO for fixing my mistake. Thank you. -- PFHLai 04:08, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Does the blurb on ITN need more fixing ? --PFHLai 04:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I've got to say, guys, by the way, that while sometimes WP can be a right pain in the bum (edit wars, vandalism, etc) there are moments where it is so impressive as a source. The work done on WP to cover this riot is really top class. It is for moments like this that I joined WP. I do know from a friend in a British station that they are using us to get a feel for what happened, as they didn't have anyone there and are just getting snippets of info from AP etc. They are reading our stuff to get background and were very impressed. We had better information than the news agencies. And when they double-checked the facts with their own reporter (who flew in later) he told them we were spot on. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 05:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dublin riot 

message: The word pictured is in the wrong place.  The picture is of a banknote, not a Kenyan president. --Heron 19:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  President of Kenya is not pictured 

message: Whats this doing on the main page? I am hard pressed to think of something less newsworthy out of all the various recent events...
http://news.google.com
Sam Spade 21:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know where the Candidates page is. Use it. And I find it far more newsworthy than many other things we put on there (like the short-lived $10 bill thing, and the proposal to mention some nationless Liberal Democrats leadership thing). ITN is not just what is on CNN or BBC. --Golbez 22:09, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

text: You know where the Candidates page is. Use it. --Golbez 17:16, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I also want to add that quite often very newsworthy items don't/won't get posted on the MainPage because Wikipedia does not have a decent article about it or the articles aren't adequately updated in time. ITN is a place on the MainPage to feature well updated wikipages, not to be used as a news service. If anyone wants anything posted on ITN, please make sure Wikipedia already has the updated news materials. Is there a wikiarticle about Bush's historic trip ?  If we do, please post it at Current events first, along with external newslinks, then post it at the candidates page. Thanks. -- PFHLai 22:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dushanbe synagogue 

message: Can the 78th Academy Awards be linked in the Main Page "In the news" template? -- CHANLORD [T]/[C]  05:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm working on it ... -- PFHLai 05:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Linked. -- PFHLai 05:48, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Oscars

message: right|100px
Can the main-page picture be changed to this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ganeshk (talk • contribs) 19:08, 2006 March 7(UTC).
: Is this representative of Varanasi ? How about :Image:Benares (Varanasi, India) - 1922.jpg (left) ? -- PFHLai 17:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Varanasi bombings

message: left|100px
Would someone change today's Dutch flag in the main page news section to the logo of the Dutch Labour Party Partij van de Arbeid. I think that image is more appropriate to the news fact? Ilse@ 09:32, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, can't do it. There is a general policy against the use of fairuse or copyrighted images on MainPage. --PFHLai 16:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo Dutch Labour Party 

message: While the NASA and UN stories were both released today, it is clear that the findings by Cassini were known well before today, since the current issue of Science already has a story about it (and the journal has a lengthy peer review process). On the other hand, the UN fund was specifically launched today; whereas the general media are just happening to get around to the NASA story today. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-03-9 21:52
:Fair enough.  The Science article, while written and peer-reviewed, was subject to a release embargo, so I suppose we could split hairs about the definition of "known".  In any case, I'm fine with UN on top. The Tom 22:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: UN vs NASA