Talk:List of bridge failures

message: I think a column should be added to show the date that each bridge opened so that one can see how long each bridge stood before falling.
:The columns here cover the "failure" issue.  This isn't a table of over-all bridge data.  If you want more information, feel free to click on the appropriate bridge's article, if any.  If no such article exists, feel free to create one. - Denimadept (talk) 07:48, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think an "Age at Collapse" column would be a very useful column in this table. Perhaps the most useful. In the United States, "Roughly half of the structurally deficient bridges are 65 or older." Tetsuo (talk) 14:51, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening date 

message: Bridge failure at Jalon, but which Jalon?    Tabletop (talk) 05:40, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which Jalon? 

message: Overload or destruction through mankind....?! The article about the battle at the bridge says it was destructed.... --93.220.217.84 (talk) 16:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything I can find says intentional destruction.AbsolutelyNOTaRobot (talk) 19:55, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stirling Bridge 

message: Numerous bridges have had failures of pedestrian containment (e.g., railing bending or breaking), sending people falling to their deaths. As far as I can tell, these have usually happened during crowd crushes or panics, but the bridge failures either initiated the panics or made them far deadlier. Examples include the following:
*1990 Mecca tunnel tragedy (initiated by seven people falling from a pedestrian bridge onto a crowd due to a broken railing, 1,426 dead)
*2005 Al-Aaimmah bridge stampede (railing failure caused hundreds to fall, 953 dead)
and possibly:
*2013 Kumbh Mela stampede (railing broke on a foot bridge, though cause and effect are not 100% clear, 36 dead)
*2013 Madhya Pradesh stampede (not all sources are clear whether the guardrail actually failed, or whether it was rumor only, 115 dead).
If part of a bridge's normal function is to carry pedestrian traffic, I think deadly loss of pedestrian containment constitutes a failure of that bridge, especially if it is a pedestrian bridge. I think it's a bit like a railroad bridge with a missing section of rail. Even if the bridge doesn't collapse, there will be a derailment. The bridge will have failed to carry the train across. Dcs002 (talk) 04:35, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fatal failures without collapse? 

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Bridge              	Location	Country	Date	Construction type, use of bridge	Reason                                                                                                                                                                          	Casualties           	Damage          	Comments
Temporary footbridge	Havana  	Cuba   	    	Temporary footbridge            	Bridge struck by an out-of-control Ferrari sports-racing car, driven by Armando Garcia Cifuentes, which then ploughed into trackside spectators during the 1958 Cuban Grand Prix	7 killed, 40+ injured	Bridge destroyed	Unknown how many deaths/injuries specifically due to bridge collapse
There does not seem to be any bridge involved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whRzseltCBY
http://forums.autosport.com/topic/100110-what-happened-to-cifuentes-after-the-1958-cuban-grand-prix/
Please ping me if I missed something.
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replies: text: It seems to have been a temporary foot bridge, which collapsed. - Denimadept (talk) 03:43, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the ping. That is what the entry said, but I don't see any bridge (temporary or otherwise) in the film, or mentioned in any other sources. The fan forum I linked to only mentions the car hits the curb. I don't parse the narrator's voice at the crucial moment in the video "another [car] hits the ????; six victims die, 31 including the driver are injured". By subtraction, that would put the casualties directly caused by the bridge's collapse at 1+9 if the stats in the entry are to be trusted. Why is this not mentioned in the video? There are footbridges in the video, but intact.    10:31, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
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message: At 17:40, 16 January 2018‎, ChieftanTartarus deleted the 104,655 bytes article List of bridge failures 4 minutes after his own deletion proposal, ie. without any discussion. As I can see, amount of information from the deleted article were not incorporated here, ie. they are lost by the undiscussed deletion act. 
Btw., sams and broadcast masts and towers have their own lists. Why just bridge collapses should be mixed with this disorganized jumble?  --ŠJů (talk) 14:39, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone is aware of this, it is quite clear in the edit logs, you have restored an article which constradicts another article and recreates an issue which has went unsolved since 2009, I suggest you undo your edits, considering all of this information is over in the other article and stop accusing me when I solved a problem, I suggest you read WP:AGF and WP:BOLD which entitle me to take this action, the other article is more organised than the other one. No information was lost. I made the edit more than a week ago, people have accepted it. You're edits have made it a lot more difficult for me and many others. Chieftain Tartarus (talk) 16:48, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:   Such a massive lost of relevant information about bridge failures is surely not in compliance with purpose and aims of Wikipedia project. If you found some "contradiction", you should correct the specific "contradiction", not to destroy massively the content of Wikipedia. If you want to merge two articles, you should propose the merge, invite contributors to consider your intention, and finally, to realize a real merger, not only to remove the whole extensive article.   --ŠJů (talk) 18:21, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

text: Pinging people to back you up when harassing me on multiple pages is inappropriate, I've had enough of this. I suggest you stop or I have no choice but to go to the ARB. Chieftain Tartarus (talk) 21:20, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Lost information about bridge failures

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Contrary to the article, the Bridge was a suspension bridge(not a "Concrete Pedestrian Bridge") which was under construction(as opposed to "Newly Constructed")
The cable suspension system was not yet attached to the pylon which was not yet installed.
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thread_title: 2018 Florida bride type

message: , I have reverted you again. First of all, you are pointing at the main article, but what you say in your edit summary isn't in the main article but in Battle of the Milvian Bridge. Second, what's in the article doesn't bear out "failure":As Maxentius had probably partially destroyed the bridge during his preparations for a siege, he had a wooden or pontoon bridge constructed to get his army across the river. The sources vary as to the nature of the bridge central to the events of the battle. Zosimus mentions it, vaguely, as being constructed in two parts connected by iron fastenings, while others indicate that it was a pontoon bridge; sources are also unclear as to whether the bridge was deliberately constructed as a collapsible trap for Constantine's forces or not I don't know how you define failure, but "partially destroying" it kind of obviates any discussion of failure. And if the replacement bridge (the sentence in the main article is faulty) was "deliberately constructed as a collapsible trap", then there certainly is no "failure", even if "the temporary bridge set up alongside the Milvian Bridge, over which many of the Maxentian troops were escaping, collapsed": if it was a trap, it was supposed to fail. So it succeeded. And maybe it wasn't a bridge to begin with but a series of pontoons, which is only a kind of bridge.The problem here is of course that you are trying to get all History Channel and try to solidify historical accounts into things that you can classify and categorize. And if something is so clearly an example of whatever, in this case a bridge failure, it should be easy to add a citation attesting to the fact. Drmies (talk) 14:24, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: , as you point out, it is described as a "collapse" in the article for the battle. The edit referred to the replacement pontoon bridge, not the partially destroyed bridge. Your quote states it is not known if it was intended as a trap. If the replacement bridge was intended as a trap, it would have to allow Maxentius to withdraw his army first, he certainly did not intend it as a trap for himself and his own soldiers. In either case, its collapse fits the definition of failure. I'm not clear how a pontoon bridge, being a kind of bridge, is not a bridge. Perhaps I've misunderstood, can you please explain this point? As I understand it, this page is an attempt to categorize events found in historical accounts. The majority of items on this list do not have citations, is there a reason this entry in particular requires one? AbsolutelyNOTaRobot (talk) 21:21, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why you don't understand this: if the "replacement" bridge was designed to fail, its failure was in fact a success, though if indeed Maxentius' own forces were harmed by its premature failure, we're really talking about the unintended failure of a designed failure. Or something. Except, of course, that none of this is certain, not even the very existence of the pontoon "bridge". Since the entire "failure of a bridge" isn't even clear in the very article (again, not even the article on the bridge, but the article on the battle), or well-verified, it should be verified here. Bottom line: this is so vague, so fraught with doubt (opening line: "As Maxentius had probably partially destroyed the bridge"), we shouldn't list it. Drmies (talk) 01:29, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There are multiple references in the article on the battle which discuss this. If it was a trap, Eusebius' Life of Constantine, i, 38 covers this moment:  he essayed to cross the river which lay in his way, over which, making a strong bridge of boats... the machine erected on the bridge, with the ambuscade concealed therein, giving way unexpectedly before the appointed time, the bridge began to sink, and the boats with the men in them went bodily to the bottom. It failed when it was not intended to fail. Again, plenty of sources agree on a bridge of boats; the only positive disagreement I have found is in some translations of Lactantius, whose description generally disagrees with that of everyone else. There are three other pontoon bridges on this page, seemingly without controversy. The Ponte Milvio article includes a link to the battle, which then includes this incident, I would not expect more. You keep returning to the partially destroyed, permanent, bridge - would it help if I were to change the listed bridge to "Unnamed bridge near the Milvian Bridge"?AbsolutelyNOTaRobot (talk) 16:01, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Milvian Bridge]] 

message: I suggest that the field labeled "casualties" be limited to integers for more appropriate (i.e., numeric) sorting.
Alphabetics like "none" could be readily converted to 0 (zero).
The bigger problem--which I am not qualified to address--would be to reposition the injuries, buses, and other comments that cannot properly fall under the heading of "casualties" to another (or new) field that would be more suitable for that purpose.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.20.27.181 (talk) 06:58, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casualties 

message: Any reason that England is used in the table rather than United Kingdom?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.71.179.63 (talk) 12:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK vs England 

message: Of 1825 obv needs to be on here. Needs its own wiki page too. Mostly significant because if was a cable stay bridge and lead to cable stay bridges not being considered again for a long time. Now the most popular type of bridge to build. Also 55 ppl died.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DonkeyPunchResin (talk • contribs) 09:52, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saale river bridge collapse  

message: Came across this list today in a discussion of the recent glass bridge collapse in China.  Very informative and kudos to those who started and maintain this list.  It seems like a column for Date of Construction would be helpful.  Anyone have any thoughts on this?  Has it been suggested before?  The Dogfather (talk) 14:52, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of Construction 

message: This should just read, "Forbes Avenue Bridge over Fern Hollow Creek".
The bridge in question did not cross over Nine Mile Run.  It crossed only over Fern Hollow Creek, which is a tributary of Nine Mile Run.  The confluence of Fern Hollow Creek and Nine Mile Run is around 0.85 miles south of the collapsed bridge.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurisuto1 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forbes Avenue Bridge over 9 Mile Run and Fern Hollow Creek 

message: " illegal, but permitted sand extraction and the central span collapsed." 89.8.95.167 (talk) 19:00, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good (enough)? 

message: Since these two bridges partially/fully collapsed, should I put them in? (Caused by Hurricane Ian) Bayshoreformula (talk) 20:32, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sanibel Causeway/Pine Island Bridge 

message: The NTCB released the final report on the ferns hollow bridge and determined the cause of the failure to be corrosion of connections near the bridge abutments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP7eJQ59onE 2620:A2:6000:13:A0E1:4E76:57A8:4246 (talk) 17:16, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ferns Hollow Cause Determined 

message: This accident involving the Ever Given on 2021-03-24, did not involve a bridge, but it blocked international trade for 6 days. Should it be included in this list of bridge failures?
Culverts are, strictly speaking, not bridges yet one such accident near Gosford is included. Should the Suez canal incident be included as well? 
Two tankers also collided on 2021-07-17 also blocking the canal briefly.
See 2021 Suez Canal obstruction ----MountVic127 (talk) 07:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  2021 Suez Canal obstruction 

message: As there are now at least 10 ewxamples of ravine failures, it has been hived off to Draft:List of Ravine and Other Failures.
Bridge                      	Location                	Country     	Date	Construction type, use of bridge                               	Reason                         	Casualties            	Damage                                               	Comments
Mamatlakala highway accident	Mamatlakala             	South Africa	    	Bus crashed through bridge barriers onto ravine 50 metres below	                               	45 killed; 1 injured  	Bridge has minor damage to railings                  	Bus catches fire.
                            	                        	Malaysia    	    	                                                               	                               	1 killed; 4 injured   	                                                     	Ravine failure
                            	Bansko                  	Bulgaria    	    	                                                               	While skiing; 3m drop to ravine	1 injured             	                                                     	
 While skiing
                            	Penang                  	Malaysia    	    	                                                               	                               	1 killed; 10 injured  	                                                     	Bus crash
                            	Mabinay, Negros Oriental	Philippines 	    	off cliff into 40m deep ravine                                 	Brake failure?                 	14 killed; 3 injured  	                                                     	Negros-oriental
                            	Iloil                   	Philippines 	    	                                                               	Brake failure?                 	26 killed; ? injured  	                                                     	Bus crash
                            	Huanta                  	Peru        	    	200m deep ravine                                               	                               	24 killed; 21 injured 	                                                     	Peru
                            	Muar                    	Malaysia    	    	5m deep culvert                                                	                               	14 killed; 16 injured 	                                                     	Muar, MY
                            	Qila Saifullah          	Pakistan    	    	                                                               	Speeding?                      	22 killed; 0 injured  	                                                     	Pakistan
                            	Penang                  	Malaysia    	    	                                                               	Downhill road                  	1 killed; 5 injured   	                                                     	Downhill
                            	Ayuterra                	Malaysia    	    	                                                               	Elevator cable broke           	5 killed; 0 injured   	                                                     	[ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/06/bali-resort-elevator-crash-deaths Cable Failure]
                            	Cavite                  	Phillipines 	    	                                                               	                               	80+ killed; 60 injured	CV; ME; NG                                           	Cavite  Almost world record
Tam Duong bus crash.        	                        	Vietnam     	    	                                                               	                               	19 killed             	Bus fell  down ravine after colliding with motorcycle	
=== Reasons and other abbreviations ===
Code	Problem           	Remarks
NB  	No barrier        	
WB  	Weak Barrier      	
SP  	Speeding          	
SR  	Slippery Road     	
UR  	Unsealed Road     	more likely to slip
BF  	Break Failure     	
ST  	Stearing failure  	
OV  	Overtaking        	
SI  	Single lane road  	
PH  	Pothole           	Causes vehicle to veer
KI  	Killed            	
IJ  	Injured           	
RV  	Ravine Height     	
NS  	No signs          	such as "No Overtaking"
PP  	Police Present    	
SH  	Steep Hill        	
SC  	Sharp Curve       	
CF  	Cable Failure     	Elevator
DH  	Down Hill         	
CV  	Convoy            	
NG  	Neglience         	
MF  	Mechanical Failure	
BU  	Bus               	
TK  	Truck             	
VN  	Van               	
CR  	Car               	
CO  	Collision         	
If you search for "Ravine accidents" there are quite a lot of examples, enough to have a Draft:List of ravine and other failures. ----MountVic127 (talk) 05:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of ravine and other failures 

message: Code	Problem           	Remarks
NB  	No barrier        	
WB  	Weak Barrier      	
SP  	Speeding          	
SR  	Slippery Road     	
UR  	Unsealed Road     	more likely to slip
BF  	Break Failure     	
ST  	Stearing failure  	
OV  	Overtaking        	
SI  	Single lane road  	
PH  	Pothole           	Causes vehicle to veer
KI  	Killed            	
IJ  	Injured           	
RV  	Ravine Height     	
NS  	No signs          	such as "No Overtaking"
PP  	Police Present    	
SH  	Steep Hill        	
SC  	Sharp Curve       	
CF  	Cable Failure     	Elevator
DH  	Down Hill         	
CV  	Convoy            	
NG  	Neglience         	
MF  	Mechanical Failure	
BU  	Bus               	
TK  	Truck             	
VN  	Van               	
CR  	Car               	
CO  	Collision         	
If you search for "Ravine accidents" there are quite a lot of examples, enough to have a Draft:List of ravine and other failures. ----MountVic127 (talk) 05:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons and other abbreviations