Talk:The Family International/Archive 5

message: *I agree with Manicmoe that long quotes are bad style. Can the quotes of judge Ward shortened please? Andries 07:07, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I am a bit stumped as to why the quotes from Justice Ward are included. Seems the whole issue he was grapling with of whether the Family is/was the CoG is moot because even in the Family's official statement on their origins is entitled "The Origins of a Movement: From 'The Children of God' to 'The Family International.'" So I believe the whole first block quote from his judgment could be dropped. I will plan on doing that if I have a general agreement on this.--Cognomen2 03:46, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Cognomen on this. The Family has been publically open about it's various name changes. The issue seems unnecessary to the article. I agree to deleting the quote from Judge Ward.--Mindsports 23:49, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted it.--Cognomen2 03:28, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: COG 1968 to 1978

message: *The list of external links in this section is interesting, but I feel it's very cumbersome and looks overdone to be face front in the article like it is. I'd suggest there simply be a link to a directory or place where the reader can look it up if they want to. If there are no objections to this I'll make the change. Let me know.--Mindsports 17:42, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The policy can be found here Wikipedia:external links. POV external links are ok. However Wikipedia is not a website directory, so the number should be kept small. A representative set of sites (pro & con) that offer significant information is ideal. Cheers, -Willmcw 04:32, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
** Thanks Willmcw. Very clear.--Mindsports 18:38, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: It was already being referred to in internal CoG publications in Feb. 1972 so I believe 1971 is the correct date. I saw something online refering to a meeting held of FreeCOG chaired by Ted Patrick in August 1971--Cognomen2 18:11, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Teachings

message: I suppose my additions and changes might cause some controversy but this section was rather one-sided as it previously stood. It seemed to be more of a section on Second Generation exmembers rather than a treatment of the second generation in toto. --Cognomen2 23:48, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Second Generation

message: Mandolin recently replaced a section on Flirty Fishing with a direct copy and paste of the "Flirty Fishing" section from thefamily.org: The Origins of a Movement: From "The Children of God" to "The Family International" without any attribution. I have reverted his edit as I don't believe such blantant plagiarism and intellectual dishonesty is apropriate or ethical.  He could have quoted or paraphrased material from that page and cited his source. Instead he copied the material almost word for word without citing its source and claimed that he "rewrote this section as it did not clearly explain the goal of FFing."  Except for a few minor deletions from the original, the text he added is identical to the text in the "Flirty Fishing" section of the Family International's statement cited above. It's actually quite possible to objectively present the Family's point of view on this issue without resorting to plagiarism and intellectual dishonesty. Perhaps Mandolin disagrees, but it's really not that difficult to cite sources and not present someone else's work as your own NPOV contribution when it clearly is not. Manicmoe 13:50, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Citing Sources, NPOV and Plagiarism

message: Lilliston says, "there is no report of his having been actively molested or abused by adults".  Actually, Lil, there aren't just reports, there are photos!  This man is either stupid or a liar, and I don't see why his patently false statements should be included in the article. Since deletions tend to make people (myself included) cranky, I'll wait for supporters of this "expert" to weigh in before I edit. ThePedanticPrick 05:50, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Lies by people with college degrees

message: I am moving Details2's recent edits to the Criticism section here as I believe these personal opinions and messages belong on the discussion page rather than the article, which is supposed to follow certain basic style and NPOV guidelines. Manicmoe 14:57, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism by Details2