Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Sailor Moon/Archive 1

message: Here's a prototype of our own Wikiproject template, all that's needed is to get Denelson83's permission to use the SM Flag SVG:
-- RattleMan 05:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead and use it.  I ain't restricting its use.  Besides, that template looks great, especially with the flag image there. ;) --  Denelson83  06:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow! :DD That was so fast! It looks fantastic, thank you! Now how do we go about making it an 'official' template? --Masamage 07:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Template:WikiProject Sailor Moon. --  Denelson83  07:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You guys rock. --Masamage 07:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, I got the top-level stuff working! It can distinguish between articles and other stuff now, but we'll need a system for article types. --Masamage 17:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Our own template 

message: It was stated that this template should be refurbished.  So what sorts of changes should be made? --  Denelson83  02:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if we're adjusting who has a character profile and who doesn't, that will need to be reflected. I'd also like to see more in there about other aspects of the series besides just characters, which will mean some condensing. Links to articles about each season would be nice, for example. It won't matter much until we have those sections ready to be linked to, but I think it's a good future goal to keep in mind. --Masamage 16:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm gonna go ahead and do this tomorrow, if no one minds. --Masamage 02:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  <nowiki>{{Sailor Moon}}</nowiki> 

message: Given enough time in future, people will ask why there is a Sailor Pluto, as Pluto is not a planet (per 2006 redefinition of planet). Should we leave a note about this? Cause people WILL ask.SYSS Mouse 19:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of the 35 characters I can think of with 'Sailor' before their names (in the anime and manga only, so not including Sailor Pewter Fox, Sailor Luna, etc. and not including the dozen or more phages), only eight are named for planets that were ever an official part of the solar system. People already ask. It's not important. --Masamage 19:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: it now has a mention at Setsuna Meioh#Sailor Pluto. --Masamage 21:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor pluto 

message: I've been working on merging the Sailor Animamates into their group article, as per my suggestion above and the other SM villain groups. It worked out pretty well, I think; see the comments on that page for stuff I have questions about.
Here's a bigger question, though: Sailors Chi, Phi, Mnemosyne and Lethe are described as "servants of Galaxia" rather--Masamage 21:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Villain groups 

message: Okay; I do believe the list of locations article is complete. If no one objects, I'd like to move it into the main article space tomorrow. I have in mind several ways to incorporate it into the other articles (linking things out that previously had to tangent off into explanation, and also the complete removal of the Sailor Moon article's "Trivia" section). Any fixes or additions are always welcome! --Masamage 00:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Completed

message: A person said if we cleaned up the main SM article per their recommendations we can upgrae the article to a B! This is one step closer to an A and featuring... So, perhaps that should take place? Who wants to discuss the changes that need to be made, etc? --Hitsuji Kinno 20:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point! Let's switch this discussion over there to keep from cluttering the Project page, but this is a good way to get everyone's notice. Hey guys! Let's work on that. :D --Masamage 21:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: An Upgrade to "B"

message: Due to some missing detailed fair use rationale, the main Ami Mizuno pic has been removed from the article by another user.  Just thought I'd bring it to attention.  I'm still not quite sure about the whole "loading pictures" thing.  -SaturnYoshi 21:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. Another one of my many back-logged to-dos.  Add this to the article where the photo is:  And add this to a ==Rationale==  section of the image page In the absence of free images, this image is used as an example scan representative of this Ami Mizuno in the series Sailor Moon. --Kunzite 22:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use 

message: This guy just tagged almost all of our images as "unsourced" even though most of them have sources /right there/ on the image page. I've removed some of the tags and put in anymore info I could possibly think of, but mostly this just really looks like a weird form of vandalism. Please help.
:Update: Okay, I went through all of them except the civilian pictures of the main senshi. Many were indeed missing source info, but others were fine. I didn't hit the civilian pictures because I have no idea where most of them are from; some promotional thing? --Masamage 18:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Me neither, but some of them did need it, so I'm not as freaked as I was at first. I would like to see those remaining civilian-shots get sourced, though. They look like Denelson's; I'll drop him a note. --Masamage 23:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like they came from the depths of his personal image gallery, which is a problem I can relate to. I'll start digging through image galleries, see if there are any sources to be found. Help is appreciated! --Masamage 00:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMPORTANT 

message: On the subject of the individual episode summaries, I've had a new idea. I still think that we should merge the currently existing ones, as discussed above, and not worry too much about making new ones until the rest of the articles are sparkling. So what I'm about to propose is a solution that makes those much less awkward to work with.
Since the translations of Japanese episode names are widely variant and extremely long, let's move the current summaries to pages with titles like this: Sailor Moon episode 1. Or Sailor Moon episode 001? That's how we talk about them in other articles, when citing sources; by number. This way we could eventually link to them, too. I think it would work beautifully. --Masamage 01:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the three digit format (001).  As far as titles are concerned for each episode I'd mention the ones from the DVD sets.  However, as the Stars arc never officially came to the US, I guess maybe a consensus would have to be reached.  I do however own a DVD set of that particular series so I'd like to help as much as possible with implementing the titles on the episodes individual pages.  As far as links go, the numbering system is easier and to the point.  -SaturnYoshi 03:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm going to introduce the idea on the talk page for the first episode, both for the name-change and the merge. --Masamage 22:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episodes proposal 

message: I vote merge with Kousagi (Kousagi into Parallel Sailormoon) and do a new write up. I can do this if no one else will, and then a quick coverage of the AR characters that appear in this storyline. I can read the Japanese for what needs to be filled in that Alex Glover didn't relate and do a quick rough on characters... Thoughts for or against? --Hitsuji Kinno 19:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's talk about that on Talk:Kousagi, as specified under "Current stuff to vote on" on the main Project page. --Masamage 03:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Parallel Sailormoon

message: I've been thinking about creating :Category:Sailor Team to consolidate the categories that all ten of the main Senshi belong to. These would include at least :Category:Sailor Moon characters, :Category:Fictional schoolgirls, :Category:Magical girls, :Category:Fictional heroines, and :Category:Fictional elementals.
Others which are definitely appropriate, but which we aren't yet using, are :Category:Fictional princesses, :Category:Japanese superheroes, :Category:Japanese manga and anime characters, :Category:Superheroes by team, :Category:Superheroes by animated series (which currently contains :Category:Sailor Moon characters), :Category:Fictional characters with alter-egos, :Category:Resurrected fictional characters (which is an incoming speedy rename, according to this),  and probably others. I think that's a sufficiently enormous number of appropriate categories to justify the creation of this new one.
(Other possibilities: Possibly :Category:Spin-off comic book superheroes. :Category:Mythology in comics might also work, but maybe the whole series would best go into that. :Category:Fictional sailors is probably out.)
(Things that they don't belong in that made me laugh are "Fictional cheerleaders," "Fictional bodyguards," and "Fictional correctional officers." Ha ha ha.)
So, if no one objects enormously, I'll probably make this category sometime over the weekend. What do you think? --Masamage 23:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this does seem uncontroversial and I've got time right now, I'm going to go ahead with it. --Masamage 18:39, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New category 

message: The villain organization is pretty good, however it's incomplete. While it includes the main villains of the manga and anime, the musicals (which I think can be argued are the third major incarnation of SM) also had two original villain groups: one in musical 7 and musical 13 with the Comet Coatl and Dark Plasman, the pirate Loof Merrow, and from the Dracul Arc (musicals 8-10 I think) with Dracula, Lilith, and Sailor Vulcan. I think both of these deserve their own general pages, especially as the groups are developed as characters in their respective musicals. I propose three new groups: "Coatl" to cover Dark Plasman and his two henchmen (Coatl is the name of the comet that they live on), "Kaguya Pirates" for Loof Merrow and her gang, and "Dracul Saga" to cover everyone from the Dracul arc. We may also want to consider creating pages to summarize these two stories, as they are original entires into the SM-verse and not derived from the manga or anime. (Right now I only know Kaguya from having watched musical 13; I'll be getting copies of the Dracul arc and original Kaguya soon.) Xuanwu 06:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome. I think I would recommend making single articles for each of those stories, which incorporate both the plot and the character information. That seems to me like it would be an article of appropriate length; either divided would be pretty short. I'll also say right up front that I don't know anything about the Musicals. ^^; I will cheerfully support expansion in that direction, and I'll help with cleanup and such, but my contribution will probably be limited to that. --Masamage 16:21, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Sailor Vulcan?  Nope.  That's Sailor Astarte who has a touch of multiple personality disorder from being possessed by both parts of the binary planet Vulcan/Death Vulcan, the Goddess Astarte, Lilith of Darkness, and Dark Cain. I think Siva Singetsu Astarte fits in there somewhere as well. The official name is the Dracul Series. --Kunzite 07:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. I haven't watched the Dracul series yet; they'll be coming to me early next month sometime. I've heard Astarte called "Sailor Vulcan" so I went from that. Glad to see someone else knows a little about Seramyu. Xuanwu 05:22, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Villains 

message: There are issues in conforming this one with the other template--if it is done info will be lost. So I started a new topic about it in Chibiusa's talk page. If we vote to integrate it to the main template, that would definitely stepo up the level of the current article plus all surrounding articles. (covering individual arcs for each character and how they evolve as well as the separation between amnag and anime). However, if it is to exactly conform, then info will be lost. It is missing major sections according to the template as well. --Hitsuji Kinno 15:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chibiusa Template

message: I have brought this up before but only in the midist of other converstions. We are most of the lesser known senshi such as Demios and Phobios, as well as the lesser known evil senshi such as Sailor Buttress. I propose we make a page that has info on all of them (Since they don't have an article i surmise that alone they don't have enough info) The page should be of course be divided in to two parts one for good and one for evil.  After reading the site "Tomb of little known senshi" i thought of this. I suggest we start looking there for info though i'm sure there are other places though that is the only one i can think of. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 16:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: List of minor Sailor Moon characters... --Masamage 03:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I've already added Buttress to the Shadow Galactica page, since that's the group she's part of. Xuanwu 05:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Phobos and Deimos are not Sailor Senshi. They are Sailor Power Guardians. That link has some wrong info on it... Anyway, I thought I'd just mention it.--Hitsuji Kinno 15:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "missing Senshi" 

message: Well, I've snipped out the casting lists (could they go in individual character's pages?  Like, "In the Sera Myu, Usagi was played by..." ???) and the CD and DVD information, (damned if I know where that could go...) and put it on the talk page, and I think it's made the page a little more readable.  If we really wanted to cheat, we could link each individual show's name to its page in wikimoon... ;)  - Malkinann 00:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, each musical should have its own page, since each musical production is akin to a movie. The Spring and Winter musicals would not get separate pages; instead any differences between the first versio and its revision would be noted in the page (since there are some changes in music and plot). Said pages could include the cast of that musical and the CD and DVD info for it. This would turn the SeraMyu main page primarily into a summary of what the musicals are and notable events in their production history. This is, of course, a very large project to undertake and it'll take time. Sound good? Xuanwu 05:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good, but I've not seen a Sera Myu, so unless you're fairly familiar with them, I don't think it'd get off the ground.  Would each musical pass the notability tests?  - Malkinann 23:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes; I'd say each musical counts the same as a major American musical production (probably not Broadway level, but maybe off-Broadway). All were advertised and the subject of merchandise, producing verifiable secondary sources. I've only seen a few of the musicals so far; however, I have more coming in the mail soon. I'll begin work on this maybe over Christmas break (school is keeping me occupied right now). For now, invidual pages for each musical can be made with cast lists, CD, and DVD info since that was on the main SeraMyu page already. Xuanwu 19:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SeraMyu