Talk:Turkey

message: It's currently 13,585 words or 87kb. Will aim for under 9k words per Wikipedia:Article_size and Wikipedia:Peer_review/Turkey/archive3. That means multiple sections will need to be trimmed. Although some areas need expansion. For example, coverage of earthquakes, faultlines etc are ridiculously short. Bogazicili (talk) 20:06, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Trimming is certainly a good thing, but you should ensure first that the child articles are in an appropriate shape. E.g., Turkey#Republic_of_Turkey is much better writen than History_of_Turkey#Republic_of_Turkey; the latter trails off into a mere timeline (but then child-child article History of the Republic of Turkey is looks better). This is relevant because History of Turkey in its entirety is the child article of Turkey#History. So anyonw jumping straight from the section Turkey#History to History of Turkey will have – as of now – a worse reading experience at the bottom of the latter than at the bottom of the Turkey#History. I only mention this because I have seen cases trimming of main articles without brushing up the child articles. I think @CMD can be of much help in the challenge of how to create best structure and best content in article hierarchies. –Austronesier (talk) 09:26, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article is too long 

message: Anyone minds using short inline citation format for books and long reports with  and  templates? Recently, I seem to be the one adding most of these type of sources. Bogazicili (talk) 23:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Also  ones. Bogazicili (talk) 19:04, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation format for books and long reports 

message: Per Wikipedia:Peer review/Turkey/archive3, shorter sections will be merged. I'll also continue to trim as necessary to bring the article size down. Will merge Tourism into Economy, and will merge Roman and Byzantine sections. Merging Roman section to Byzantine section makes more sense to me than merging Roman section to Antiquity. Bogazicili (talk) 14:55, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shorter sections will be merged 

message: The country has changed its name, therefore it no longer makes sense to use the old one Rares Kosa (talk) 12:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No, see the earlier discussions that have ended in a lack of consensus for a move and that present the reasons for this. Closing this discussion to avoid a full rehash that would be disruptive to watchers of this article.
Largoplazo (talk) 12:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page should be moved to Türkiye 

message: need improvment in first paragrafe about country Irani2024 (talk) 21:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Specifically? Chidgk1 (talk) 20:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvement 

message: This is not appropriate for the main article, as the sample is not nationally representative: "Online samples in Brazil, China, Chile, Colombia, Indonesia, Ireland, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, South Africa, Thailand, and
Turkey tend to be more urban, educated, and/or affluent than the general population" . It can be added into a sub article with adequate explanation of its sampling. Bogazicili (talk) 19:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ipsos Global Trends 

message: The picture pertaineing to TOGG shows a T10X SUV not a T10S sedan. Furthermore T10S has since been changed to T10F, please correct. Mr.DetectiveMan (talk) 23:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  TOGG 

message: It's a mess. I'll return to it later. There might be lump edits, rather than the incremental ones I've been doing. The article is also still too long. I'll probably condense and merge "Visual arts" and "Literature and theatre" sections into an Arts section. Bogazicili (talk) 15:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture section needs a re-write 

message: , I'm honestly very surprised this ethnic mix issue has become so major. It's part of human history and happens now.  There is nothing wrong with interethnic relationships. 
However, if it's such a taboo, we can drop it. I don't care if Greeks mixed or not. I just thought it was a concise way to refer to diversity in the area in that time period. ("Greeks mixed with native Anatolians" is only 5 words.) Unless you noticed, I'm paying close attention to the word count. We can have a longer sentence about other people in the area. (see below: "Anatolian populations of Phrygia, Lydia, Lycia, and Caria")
For influence, see sources below. We can have a sentence such as "In addition to settlements such as ... [1 or 2 examples in Med or Black sea?], influence of Greek communities were mostly limited to western coast of Anatolia until the time of Alexander the Great"
Chapter 11 Anatolia chapter summary, page 221:
Influence:
p 500
pp 778–779
For other issues, I'll respond later. I might take a wiki break. Bogazicili (talk) 22:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is arguing that there were Greek cities in the Anatolian interior prior to Alexander, and nothing in the article even implies that. The insistence on the need to explicitly state this is bizarre and I do not agree with it. You keep repeating throughout the article that Greek influence was limited in the interior, even into the Byzantine period.  For someone so concerned on brevity, this is odd. Khirurg (talk) 02:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

text: Hello Bogacizili. Regarding the mixings, as I mentioned, this was mostly a matter of undue weight, among others, but as you said, we can drop this, so there's no need to go deeper now. Reading this paragraph after a few days, I think it might be okay, given that it tries to summarize a long period from the Late Bronze Age to the middle of the 1st millenium BC. It seems to be condensed, including the most notable events/facts without much digressing. Piccco (talk) 22:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arbitrary break 2