Talk:Essendon Football Club

message: I've moved the honours section to Essendon Football Club honours because this article was getting too long with it. Perhaps the Brownlow winners, team of the century, and champions list should also go there? TPK 13:31, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: james Hird didn't win the brownlow in '96, he won it in 1995 as a dual winner with Michael Voss.
No he certainly did not, Paul Kelly won in 1995. James Hird and Michael Voss won jointly in 1996.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.253.13.42 (talk) 14:01, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Hird Brownlow medal 

message: If the team of the century was named in 1997 then  I don't see how Lloyd could be in it... prior to that year he had played a total of 16 games for 25 goals! Essendon really must have struggled for quality forward pockets over the years.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferrel81 (talk • contribs) 11:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Matty Lloyd Team of Century

message: I don't understand why this tag is there, shouldn't whoever placed it there have a discussion on the talk page?  Kinser 23:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't put the tag there but gee - this is about the most obvious case I have ever seen of NPOV violation on Wikipedia. Most of this article is written as a commentary on various matters, which is strictly forbidden on this site. We are not allowed to write anything that expresses the editor's opinion or is biased or demonstrates any point of view. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an editorial. Please read WP:NPOV if you do not understand this policy. Remy B 02:56, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm trying to clean up the POV and emotional contributions, so that it will read a little more like an encyclopedic article.  Unfortunately, with the commentary and writing style, this means removing very large parts of the article...Wikipeterproject (talk) 21:44, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Needs further refrencing. Aaroncrick  (talk)  Review me! 22:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV explanation? 

message: The list of VFL/AFL premierships has 17 entries, surely there should only be 16
Ahh yes, why is 2008 been listed as seasons won? its clearly obvious that they have not....Yet, and nobody can fight with that.--Deathtopplintheir40s 15:45, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VFL/AFL Premierships 

message: Removed: "Essendon has worn this design, unchanged, giving the AFL, and indeed Essendon a unique record in world sport as it's the longest period that any sporting club in the world has worn the same primary guernsey design. This now has been recognised in the Guinness Book of World Records."
Aside from being uncited, this is patently false. I am personally familiar with several English and Scottish Association Football clubs whose kits have been in use since 1890 or earlier (Heart of Midlothian FC, Notts County, Blackburn, etc - I'm sure there are many more in Britain and around Europe). Queen's Park have been wearing the same kit since 1873. This is a fascinating website: http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/ - Ledenierhomme 06:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No they haven't - uncited speculation in the article notwithstading, Essendon have only ever worn black with a red sash to any game. The abovementioned British clubs have long worn away kits with different colours and designs. Even if this is the case, Essendon was founded in 1871, and played their first game in 1873 - and according to essendonfc.com.au, this was in "black with a red sash". Therefore it is not "patently false" at all. 124.190.83.11 11:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  User:124.190.83.11|124.190.83.11, I think you need to read the article again: "To avoid clashing with other teams, Essendon adopted a Red sash in 1875, and is recorded in magazines of the day as wearing Blue with Red sash up until about 1889. At this time, uniforms were ordered in the club colours, Black with a Red sash, and in every game from 1890 to today." So, that's 1890 onwards. As I said, several English and Scottish Association Football clubs have jersey designs that have been in use since previous to 1890. Ledenierhomme 17:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club Guernsey/Jersey/Kit/Uniform 

message: Then someone should start by translating this article into Japanese ... --Rulesfan 05:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  If the Bombers are serious about promoting the game in Japan ... 

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message: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but is it really relevant that a "fictional character from Neighbours" supports the Bombers?
It's one of the most stupid things I have read in my browsing of Wikipedia, and believe me, I've read some pretty ridiculous things! Who wrote it, anyway? A teenage girl? It should be gotten rid of. 122.49.152.148 (talk) 15:54, December 13, 2008
:Teenage girls, like everyone else, are free to contribute to Wikipedia!  Best to assume good faith and make corrections to edits as you see fit, without being to quick to label someone else's edit "stupid".  That's called assuming good faith! Wikipeterproject (talk) 06:13, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wiped the whole bit. Prime target for POV. Aaroncrick  (talk) 06:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional supporter? 

message: There is no evidence online of the club ever have been called The Blood Stained Blacks.  There is evidence of the nickname The Blood Stained Niggers, for example here.  For obvious reasons, this nickname isn't in use any more, so shouldn't be listed in the infobox as a nickname.  It might be possible, if someone is thus inclined, to discuss this elsewhere in the article. Wikipeterproject (talk) 06:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Blood Stained 

message: Part of my reasoning for this section is to reflect the fact that the club is involved with a charitable cause beyond just sport. It seems reasonable to presume that such activity by people like Watson is undertaken due to a pride underpinning their decision to become involved. I also think it is important that figures like these are perceived and understood as multi-dimensional people who are not just "celebrities". I am aware that original research is disallowed on Wikipedia, for good reason, but if both the club and its management were asked about this matter, I would be incredibly surprised if a decision is made to omit such information. Of course, I do not expect to expand this section beyond what currently exists, but I certainly think that it is worth mentioning (in the same way that other celebrities have been recognized for their charity work). Furthermore, I do not own a dog or support the campaign in any way.--Soulparadox (talk) 04:11, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Causes section

message: I dispute the following referenced paragraph from the Jim Main source:
"By 1876, according to Jim Main, Essendon was deemed to be 'one of the most powerful' Australian rules clubs in colonial Victoria. This enabled it to become one of the inaugural members of the Victorian Football Association (VFA) in 1877.[7] Rule uniformity in this new competition could initially be said to have been experimental. 'Senior' clubs were allowed twenty-five players, whereas 'junior' clubs twenty players; but oddly, Essendon, despite being regarded as a 'senior' club used twenty-five players in a match against Melbourne. Essendon finished their first year in the VFA playing 19 games for eight wins and a finish in fourth place.[8]"
Two issues: firstly, contemporary sources I've seen make it clear that Essendon was a junior club up to 1877. This article from the Australasian states that the club was junior in 1877: Football junior&searchLimits=l-title=460|||l-decade=187 – and this one that the club decided to become senior at its AGM in 1878 Football senior&searchLimits=l-title=460|||l-decade=187|||l-year=1878.
Secondly, the statement that Essendon was "one of the most powerful" clubs in colonial Victoria in 1876 is too vague. This cannot refer to on-field prowess as the club was junior at the time; if it relates to off-field position, finances, etc., that's fine, but I think that basis needs to be specified.
In my experience, modern references do a very poor job of describing pre-VFL football history accurately. I'm strongly inclined to entirely ignore the Jim Main source and go with the contemporary sources on this matter, because the contemporary sources state these points so explicitly. Aspirex (talk) 08:15, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, yes. Sounds fine. Would you be able to go ahead changing that bit, as you obviously know more than myself. Perhaps I can put the alternative view as published by the club itself in the notes section. Specifics aren't mentioned, bar the contradiction that supposedly Eseednon was given 'junior' privlidges in the 1877 match against Melbourne despite Main saying no it was deemed a senior club. I presume it fielded 20 players in other games? Aaroncrick  TALK 12:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It definitely fielded 25 against Carlton as well. I think it fielded 20 against other junior clubs – West Melbourne and the like – but I'd have to look in closer detail. Aspirex (talk) 07:49, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early history 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Article states the nickname "bombers" came from proximity to Essendon Aerodrome. But how and when did what looks like an F-111 get onto the current badge ? Did they actually fly there ? I think the article should explain the badge. Rcbutcher (talk) 16:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: How did an F-111 get on the current badge ?

message: Thanks 106.70.162.247 (talk) 00:18, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: As with most articles, this one is open for anyone to edit. Feel free to give it a go yourself. Otherwise, please list what parts of the article you believe are problematic. HiLo48 (talk) 01:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  There are many issues throughout this article, can someone who knows more about Wikipedia mark this article as one that needs changes?