Talk:German cruiser Admiral Hipper

message: KM or not KM?
Some writers prefix German warships with 'KM' or 'KMS' (Kriegsmarine or Kriegsmarine Schiffe) - equivalent to 'HMS' for Royal Naval vessels. The advantage is that it distinguishes between the ship and the thing (person, place etc) it's named for and immediately identifies a warship. Is there a Wiki convention? I've also used 'IJN' for Imperial Japanese Navy & 'USS' for US naval ships. There are other instances.
Comments please.
Folks at 137 08:52, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 14:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: It would be useful to also express the bores and other measurements of the armaments of the main armaments of all of the cruisers of this class in inches, just for the sake of comparison with the America, Australian, British, Canadian, and New Zealand warships of the same era. Also, by the Washington Naval Treaty, the heavy cruisers of that era were defined by and limited to eight-inch guns (and projectiles), and light cruisers were defined by and limited to six-inch guns (and projectiles) - which I believe is 203 millimeters - though I believe that the U.S. Navy had one or two cruisers with 15 six-inch guns that were classified as heavy cruisers.
Also, there were two standard diameters of torpedoes, which were 18 inches and 21 inches, though the Imperial Japanese Navy did design, mass-produce, and deploy thousands of heavy and long-range "Long Lance torpedoes" with the diameter of 24 inches.
While you are at it, it might also be useful to express the overall length, beam, and draft of these ships in feet as well as in meters, like this: 100 meters (330 feet).98.67.102.100 (talk) 00:10, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  It would be useful 

message: There is a Hipper bell at the German naval museum at Laboe, I saw it there today. Is there more than one bell, or is this article incorrect? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 19:03, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It was probably transferred back to Germany some time after Groener initially wrote his book (in the early 1960s) - the editors who updated the book in the 1990s may have missed the transfer of the bell. Is there a good source for the bell being in Laboe (like a photo on their website or something)? Parsecboy (talk) 19:15, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've posted my photos from Laboe at the Axis History Forum, here: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=193942
I don't know if you regard that as an acceptable source. If not, the article will have to stay wrong (if it is wrong). Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 20:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This photograph: https://www.flickr.com/photos/yetdark/3452725426/in/photostream/ is taken at Laboe, Kiel. It is a plaquet next to the Hipper bell. It is fully readable if it is magified. It states that the bell was taken to England after the war, but returned to Germany in 1982. From 1983 it has been on display at Marine Ehrenmal Laboe, Kiel Deutschland. KjellG (talk) 20:09, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Location of bell

message: From the article:
1) "Her crew scuttled the wrecked ship at her moorings at 04:25 on 3 May." 
2) "Admiral Hipper in dry dock at Kiel 19 May 1945".
3) "In July 1945, ... , Admiral Hipper was raised"
When was she scuttled? KjellG (talk) 21:17, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: scuttled with explosive charges while docked on May 3 1945. --Denniss (talk) 21:34, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: So Hipper was scuttled on May 3. floating in drydock on May 19 th and raised in July -45? Confusing to me. KjellG (talk) 20:15, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, she was badly damaged by bombers on 3 May (effectively neutralized) and scuttled on 19 May (to make sure she couldn't put to sea, even to be towed) and raised in July for scrapping. I don't see what's confusing here. Parsecboy (talk) 20:30, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Article says: "Her crew scuttled the wrecked ship at her moorings at 04:25 on 3 May." You say she was scuttled on May 19th. KjellG (talk) 21:08, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I was confused - you referenced the 19th above and I didn't check the article carefully enough. Parsecboy (talk) 15:23, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scuttled, was she?