Talk:Supercars Championship

message: I'm sorry but just because you hold one race in a country does not mean that the series is particular to that region.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.197.221 (talk) 03:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Region

message: can some one please change the red and blue section of the ATCC champions (1993-2004) to a colour that doesn't blind people, a plainer/darker blue and red. --Ballchef 06:50, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. ZoFreX 06:57, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Colour

message: Hello all. Please be a part of WikiProject V8 Supercars and help to drastically expand and improve this vital piece of Australian Motorsport.  TydeNet 03:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject V8 Supercars

message: What do others think about splitting the Australian Touring Car Championship (presently a redirect to V8 Supercar) out from this article into a separate one? Many of the reasons to link to ATCC predate V8SC. --Scott Davis Talk 12:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know you posted this a little while ago, but I wholeheartedly agree, the Australian Touring Car Championship has a rich history that predates V8 Supercar, and I can't even find a table of winners prior to 1993 anywhere on wikipedia. Teiresias84 06:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose split 

message: Why are the external links over in the sidebar?  Especially on a 1920x1080 display, they're particularly out of the way and hard to find.  Could they be moved back per WP:MOS?  --Interiot 14:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  external links 

message: Well what a spectacular finale to the year with the final of 3 races being marred by what some would call unfair racing, with the 2 top leaders having a tussle on the last of 3 races to decide the Championship and one driver shunting the other off the track. One side will say it was all fair in love and war and unfortunate but 'thats racing', with the other camp saying bad sportsmanship and points should be adjusted accordingly to enforce that fair play is what should be the procedure in such a tightly contested class. With the matter going to the arbitration group we will have an 'unbiased' outcome. With Rick Kelly winning the championship and Lowndes 2nd due to this altercation, however it finishes, Kelly will never have a "true" championship win- with public opinions bipolar. What an unfortunate series of events of a quite amazing finish to the V8 Supercars Finale. Finally the v8s had a real year of racing, a real ratings plus for just a two make race series (holden vs ford). As they admit interest in a two horse race is hard to keep and has been in decline in past years as consumers discover kart racing, drift and other classes of races with more than two makes, this incident will obviously get people talking and interest going. Under discussion behind closed doors, will the v8 Supercars go back to China? Will they admit Toyota? or another (mercedes/bmw/mitsubishi etc)? to make racing more interesting and increase ratings/sponsorship? will they relax the rev limit policy? Well time will tell...
Whatever happens 2006 Finale race will be debated, R.Kelly may be the Championship leader but not in the eyes of many, which is a very unfortunate set of events. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.90.255.198 (talk) 07:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there.  Interesting questions, but talk pages are about discussion to improve the article concerned not as a general forum for discussing the topic at hand.  --Robert Merkel 14:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006 Philip Island Finale Shame Holden or just fair racing? 

message: TEGA has a five position board, not four.203.185.235.165 02:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TEGA 

message: References to 2006 Endurance co-drivers should probably be removed. Dick Johnson Racing has won six championships, not four. 1981, 1982, 1984, 1988, 1989 and 1995. Britek entry needs updating to reflect Bright's change to owner/driver. Rod Nash Racing entry should state the team is actually International Race Cars Australia team run under the auspicies of Rod Nash Racing.203.185.235.165 04:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The V8Supercar Teams 

message: Jim Richards is a four times champion, not three. 1985, 1987, 1990 & 1991. Dick Johnson has won Bathurst three times, 1981, 1989 & 1994 not two. Qualifying lap record is unofficial. If any mention Of Bathurst lap record is to be made it should be to the actual lap record holder, Mark Skaife. Alan Jones has not had any involvement with V8Supercar since 2002, considering his lack of results his consideration as a notable figure is dubious. James Courtney should be stated as a Jaguar Racing test driver.203.185.235.165 04:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Figures 

message: Team names here should correspond to team names listed earlier under 'The V8Supercar Teams'. There should also be a consensus whether to refer to all teams by sponsor names or the historical names of the teams. eg Either Kelly Motorsport & Triple Eight Engineering or HSV Dealer Racing and Team Vodafone.203.185.235.165 04:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teams contesting the 2007 V8 Supercar Championship Series 

message: Hi everyone! This is my first post on a talk page so please don't kill me . . . Okay. Has anyone else heard about the proposal for a street circuit in Perth? I read in The West Australian newspaper a few months ago about the V8 Supercars racing on Perth's streets by 2008, and, being a citizen of Perth, it really mattered to me. I am rather puzzled by the fact that this decision that could drastically change the 2008 season hasn't been addressed on the Official V8 Supercars Website, let alone Wikipedia. It would be great if anyone had information that they could put into the article, but it would be hard to verify the information. I also made a map of the circuit, and I would be glad to provide it. Hopefully, together, we can address this matter.
Thankyou for listening, 
Stealthman 02:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh dear... something seems to have popped up. I have only just read on a website (The West Australian again) about the state opposition pledging to resurrect the event if it wins the next state elections! (If you need any proof, look in Sports on the newspaper's website, and find "Street Race Bid finds Support".) However, there could still be a doubt... that being the paths taken by other street circuit plans and all - any reflections on this? (By the way, this article only came out today) - Stealthman (talk) 10:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Perth Street Circuit 

message: It's been 2 years and the series won't be going back for a number of reasons, can we remove some of the Shanghai references? Being now dead event its status in the article probably deserves to be on par with Canberra rather than the prominence it now has. Thoughts?Falcadore 00:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a very dead event. 'Indefinite hold' was a face saving exercise and held as much truth as 'non-core promise'. Bahrain was entirely independant of Shanghai, the Bahrain circuit had specific criteria for expansionary events which only V8Supercar met. --Falcadore (talk) 02:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, you obviously know more about this than I do, so I stand corrected. Stealthman (talk) 10:12, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I know this discussion is a little old but I think Shanghai should be removed from the Marquee Events section. I don't think it has enough notability to justify two paragraphs and a photo. Anyone have any objections to its removal? --Fruv (talk) 05:18, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please. The photo might be recycleable. --Falcadore (talk) 06:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I couldn't find a good place for the photo so I removed it too. If anyone can find a good place for it go ahead and add it. --Fruv (talk) 23:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: China

message: Since it's likely that the Supercheap Auto sponsorship will move to another team for 2008, and that SCA have sponsored more than one race team in the past I'd like to rename all references to the about to be defunct Supercheap Auto Racing to the teams original name, Paul Weel Racing. --Falcadore (talk) 02:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Supercheap Auto Racing

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:TollHSV.jpg

message: The 2006 Bathurst 1000 became a very emotional event to all drivers, teams, friends and fans of one of it's greatest drivers in its history, 9 time winner of the "Great Race", Peter Brock (killed in the Targa West rally event the month before).
--This paragraph needs more than one sentence. 
reidbold Dec 14 2007  —Preceding comment was added at 20:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, any description of any length on that subject should go on the 2006 Bathurst 1000 page, and you're welcome to write it. Information specific to a single race should go on the pages of the individual races. --Falcadore (talk) 22:58, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bathurst 1000

message: We're starting to get some serious quality issues sneaking into this article because of continual small changes and a variety of editors, and a general overhaul is starting to look overdue. Some duplicated information and bad writing is appearing across the page now. (stuff like Most Challenging Race is History!!! Oldest EVER!!) --Falcadore (talk) 00:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  General edit 

message: I'm going to dramatically trim the list of past teams recently added - a few reasons, some of the teams list have had virtually n o impact on the series, and at least three are still current teams. I propose trimming to teams which only have articles elsewhere in wikipedia, otherwise its just a list taking up space. Just in the interests of concise. --Falcadore (talk) 12:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of past teams 

message: This article urgently needs references to support its assertions.  These references need to meet WP:RS thus for example a reference for attendance numbers from the organisation concerned would not meet our guidelines. --Matilda talk 22:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then I suggest your guidelines are rather silly. I would have thought that was about the only likely source. Greg Locock (talk) 02:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They are not my guidelines, they are the project's guidleines.  I don't see why they would be the only source.  The odd 1/4 of a million people are likely to have been noticed by the news media and a news report would met WP:RS--Matilda talk 05:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Third party sources immune the article from claims of PR spin. It's a fairly common request. --Falcadore (talk) 08:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Couple of points. First I realised on thinking about why wiki is not a good reference. To my engineer's mind that is untidy, but there is no simply resolvable way of deciding whether something is referenced if we have two articles referencing each other. BUT... once the notability of a concept (eg V8 supercars) is established then I have successfully argued in the past that that that subjects own website CAN be usd to prvide additiobal data. In fact RS supports that. What is the better source for a car's weight? The manufacturer, or a newspaper? Who has the most to lose if the data is wrong? Greg Locock (talk) 11:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, since bidgee doesn't trust AVESA, how about . I still think that once a subject's notability is established then you can use that as a source for facts - Or shall I remove all the aptera derived data from the aptera article? Greg Locock (talk) 11:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So we should trust companies like Telstra? AVESA is a company and any company will try and make themselfs look good which is the reason for a third party source. TV ratings are nothing since it's based on a few 1000 of people and doesn't include people who attended the race meeting. Bidgee (talk) 12:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference I gave immediately above was from The Age, which is a moderately well respected newspaper, for your information, since you don't seem to have heard of it. Why is that not acceptable?Greg Locock (talk) 12:16, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what The Age is so don't try and make it as if I'm dumb as I'm not. Also the story was just published by The Age and written by the Australian Associated Press. I've read it and have found 2005-06 information from the ABS which is the newest I can find (Raw data ). Bidgee (talk) 12:29, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The last couple of postings here seem to be in relation to a claim being made in the article that V8 Supercars is the 3rd most popular sport in Australia. I can see why people would object to using the sport's governing body as a reference for that claim. We already reference V8SA for rules and regulations and also the company's own structure. Since it's V8SA that created these rules and structure - who better to ask? However, when they make a claim about their popularity we need to see the possibility that this is company PR. That doesn't make it wrong but it may make it a poor reference. The Age article and the ABS figures referenced above seem to say that motorsport is the third most popular sport in Aus, not necessarily V8 Supercars. Since no one seems to be able to find any other reference for the claim, I think there's a good case for removing it. At the very least it should be reworded to indicate that it's a claim rather than a fact. --Fruv (talk) 02:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you raise a good point, it is not just V8s that are included in that statistic.My inclination would be to paraphrase The Age's or the ABS's report. Of course it is difficult to say how much of that motosrpsort is V8 because the same day's racing typically includes non V8 classes as well. Greg Locock (talk) 04:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References required 

message: While a third vehicle manufacturer has been rumoured several times since 1995, never has there been any follow up within two weeks of the initial rumour. Third manufacturer rumours do not have a place in an article claiming to be a credible summary of its history. And what's more, the reference article is a denial of third manufacturer, its hardly a valid reference. --Falcadore (talk) 08:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that I care, but if Geoff Polites sees fit to comment on it then I scarcely think that it is just fanboy rumours. I think you'll find links to it in Mellor's auto news etc as well. Greg Locock (talk) 11:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Third manufacturer is generally used as a very formulaic headline generator, because it always works, in quiet periods when V8 Supercar isn't making a lot of column inches, but it is never serious, it usually begins with a V8 Supercar official stating they are investigating a third manufacturer, then a bunch of drivers say cautiously optimistic things about it until Ford or Holden, they take turns, deny it emphatically a few days later. Occasionally Toyota are sucked in to comment about how they might be interested, and Mitsubishi is mentioned a lot but Mitsubishi Australia could never afford it. It never progresses beyond that. It never will be treated seriously because VESA insist on a car similar to present V8 Supercars must race when the manufacturers who actually do want to race here, specifically Nissan and Subaru (occasionally Mercedes) would not or could not build such a car and want a set of regs closer to production cars. --Falcadore (talk) 22:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Toyota have a pushrod V8 in NASCAR.  A bit oversized at 5.8 litres but it wouldn't be beyond the wit of man to do a 5.0 litre one.Mr Larrington (talk) 12:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Third manufacturer

message: I think this article needs to be rearranged so that its headings are in order of importance. I understand that it may be impossible to determine an exact order of importance but I think some sections are more important than others. For example, the The V8 Supercar section is the fifth one down whereas the Television Coverage section is third. I think the section that describes what a V8 Supercar is should be one of the first sections in an article about V8 Supercars.
The order I propose is this -
*Intro (obviously)
*History
*The V8 Supercar
*Championships
*Formats
*Marquee events
*TEGA
*V8 Supercars 2008 Schedule
*2008 V8 Supercar teams
*Past teams
*Notable figures
*Television Coverage
I'll leave this for a week to allow people to comment. --Fruv (talk) 23:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reordered the article but haven't done anything about references. --Fruv (talk) 00:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article order 

message: I propose we remove the 2008 V8 Supercar teams section. Here is my reasoning.
*It's redundant. Links to all of the teams and drivers are provided by the Teams contesting the 2008 V8 Supercar Championship Series navbox at the bottom of the article so anyone wishing to drill down to those articles can do so without this section. This article is getting long and I think the navbox does the job in a much more concise way. At the moment the navbox is collapsed by default. We can change this so its contents is more visible.
*It's long. 17 Paragraphs that summarise other articles. I understand that summarising related articles and using the  tag is legitimate and I think we've made good use of it with the Bathurst 1000 section but I think that one section dedicated to summarising 17 related articles is too much.
*It's high maintenance. Having so many related articles summarised in this article means having to keep the summaries in sync. Also, as the teams and drivers change we currently have to change the navbox as well as this section. It would be a lot easier if we only needed to maintain the navbox.
This is a fairly major change so I won't do it unless I get consensus. If you can think of any reasons why this section should be kept please list them here. --Fruv (talk) 00:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also badly worded from having been hacked at so many times. I'm sick of it because of how often factually incorrect statements slip in from people pumping up their favourite teams. Do it. --Falcadore (talk) 03:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, it is just fanboy cruft. Greg Locock (talk) 07:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. That's three opinions (including mine) in one week. I'm considering that to be consensus and have removed the section. I removed the Past Teams section too because there was no text in it. It was just a list of links. It also didn't seem to make much sense in the absence of the current teams section. --Fruv (talk) 04:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of 2008 V8 Supercar teams section 

message: I just renamed the TEGA section to Administration and included a summary of the V8 Supercars Australia article. The new section includes the old TEGA section but I don't think should continue to. Here's my reasoning -
*Most of what's in the TEGA section is historical and is either duplicating facts from the History section or contains facts that could be moved to the History section. I think I'm going to need help with this because my knowledge of of V8 history is a bit sketchy. Also, I'm having trouble finding references for it.
*Now that TEGA and V8SA have combined boards, I don't think it's necessary to talk about the two groups separately. A single Administration section should be adequate.
I'll keep working on it but I'd appreciate any help that anyone can offer. --Fruv (talk) 04:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TEGA -> Administration 

message: It has been proposed that the V8 Supercar formats article be merged into this one. This article has a Formats section which could probably contain the contents of the other article. Reasoning -
*The V8 Supercar Formats article is unlikely to get any bigger because it is such a specific topic.
*This article is the only one that links to it.
Comments? I'll leave this open for discussion for a while and see what people think. --Fruv (talk) 06:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Bart-16 for taking care of this. I redirected V8 Supercar formats to this article. --Fruv (talk) 04:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formats merger proposal 

message: I note the FG Falcon has appeared on the article but it should be noted that the FG that will debut at Sandown will actually be just a demonstrator and will not be race entered until after passing through the Project Blueprint process, which I would not personally expect until the 2009 season. --Falcadore (talk) 22:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FG 

message: Why does the link to Ozracingwrap.com keep getting removed? Ozracingwrap is a V8 Supercar news site and not "spam"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.7.183.130 (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it is spam if it is not referencing something specific to the article. Ozracingwrap is not a V8 Supercar specific site, nor does the link refer to any specific issue raised in the article. Links of such a broad based general nature are generally considered to be advert-spam. --Falcadore (talk) 03:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could be understandable if the site was not V8 related - but there are numerous V8 Supercar articles on there which are updated daily on V8 news so I don't believe it to be broad based or general  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.7.183.130 (talk) 02:25, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at it - articles on ARC, F1, it IS broad based - and it still isn't referencing something specific to the article. --Falcadore (talk) 04:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  OzRacingWrap Link 

message: Does the article really need a grid girl photo when it doesn't even have a photo of a racecar? --Falcadore (talk) 20:30, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO it's not really relevant to the article since it doesn't improve it. Would be best to have a photo of the V8's racing then having the grid girls. Bidgee (talk) 23:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry Lads - I have uploaded a better photo now for the article! f1_power (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 02:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I right-aligned the image to improve the formatting. This way the image doesn't interfere with the headings. I also added a pair of images to The V8 Supercar section. One of a Ford and one of a Holden. --Fruv (talk) 04:14, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I didn;t delete the list but I did hide it for the moment. It's just a list of names, it does not add to the article IMHO. Lists of 'notable figure' can be obtained looking through the list of series champions. Putting a link to the long-retired Alan Jones just comes off as a credibility cling to Formula 1. --Falcadore (talk) 10:30, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Zap it, it adds nothing to the article. Greg Locock (talk) 23:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable figures 

message: I've deleted the Bahrain section in the "marque events" because it's not huge in Bahrain its self. If Bahrain is put back on I think we should add the Hamilton 400 as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Exalt4korn (talk • contribs) 01:35, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll probably undelete it, as firstly, Marque Events is a tag created by V8Supercar and one that is applied to the Bahrain round as one of V8Supercars 'big events'. That the event is not treated seriously in Bahrain is a seperate issue to the Marque tag. Secondly, 'put back on', the Bahrain race is just six or eight weeks away IIRC, it isn't off.  Perhaps you are thinking of the Shanghai round, which actually was cancelled? --Falcadore (talk) 02:59, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bahrain

message: There is a lot of spam starting to appear in the external links section - need to be cleaned out. One link is listed TWICE. --Falcadore (talk) 03:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  external links (again) 

message: While there may have been three classes in the rulebook, in competition there were only two, with classes A&C racing together - so does that not introduce a level of confusion by creating class winners that did not in reality exist? --Falcadore (talk) 03:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As Class C cars were running in both Over 2000cc and Up to 2000cc classes I've added another line to the article. GTHO (talk) 10:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1993 Group 3A 

message: The category acquired the moniker 'V8 Supercars' in 1997 when event management company IMG was given the rights to the series in 1997 after a bitter battle against CAMS and the ARDC - this bit is pretty badly incorrect. IMG was employed by CAMS to run V8 Supercar. The 'bitter battle' did not occur until many years later. The fight with the ARDC was also a separate issue, specifically surrounding the Bathurst 1000 and not the Australian Touring Car Championship. --Falcadore (talk) 07:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Factual accuracy

message: The penultimate paragraph of this, starting "At L&H 500..." seems very garbled and unclear.  I don't know enough about V8s to be able to re-write it.  Can someone edit it to make it clearer, or point out exactly what it means so someone else could Oli.meggitt (talk) 16:18, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Qualifying Section

message: I think there should be a map of with the locations of the races to give an overview, like exists in the NRL and AFL. I would have done it myself but couldn't figure out how to get bahrain in the map.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghoongta (talk • contribs) 02:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: Hi from Germany, I think it would be better if the article could tell me how points are awarded (e.g. in Formula One: 1st place: 10p etc). I only know the winner gets 150 points.
--PrettyP (talk) 12:46, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Point rewarding system

message: hey! 
I'm from germany and i like the v8 supercars very much! so, do you no where i can watch it without paying for? Thanks (:  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.7.17.167 (talk) 09:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Television coverage 

message: Much of this article regarding info on the cars will need to be changed with the first race of the new COTF platforms coming up not far from now. --NJM2010 (talk) 11:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update needed 

message: The logo has changed, so why isn't the new one up yet?124.184.77.9 (talk) 06:15, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's copyrighted? --Falcadore (talk) 06:31, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Company Logo 

message: I'm currently reorganising, rewriting and expanding this page in my sandbox. Would love to hear other editors' thoughts as I'm doing this, and it would be great if people could help out, either with references or writing sections. KytabuTalk 10:33, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite of page 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Seeing as the championship is now officially called the Virgin Australia SuperCars Championship do we now move the page to the name SuperCars Championship? Holdenman05 (talk) 08:20, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Think it should be just Supercars but might have to be Supercars Championship to avoid clashes. Either way, page should not be named Virgin Australia Supercars Championship in line with other major Australian sporting leagues (e.g. A-League). Any move should also not take place before July 1 as per the deal. SchueyFan (talk) 08:41, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, wait until 1 July before we make any changes. Supercars Championship would be the most appropriate title in my view. – Kytabu 09:31, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

text: Fine by me. I would keep the title sponsor out of it, simply because Virgin could be replaced by someone else in a few years. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 01:43, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No issues with me, just keep Virgin Aus out of it as per. Holdenman05 (talk) 03:04, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: All goodSchueyFan (talk) 10:00, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Series renaming = page renaming?

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I am considering creating articles for the ATCC/V8SC versions of the car models which they represent. This would be done in the same style as the articles for the modern World Rally Cars, with models recorded from 1993 to present - which is 22 including the Commodore ZB and maintaining two separate articles for the 1st (2009-2012) and 2nd (2013-2014) generation Falcon FG.
If I do go ahead, how do we then distinguish them? For example, using a "(ATCC)" denomination - such as 'Holden Commodore VP (ATCC)' - would not necessarily work as ATCC is not the current common name. Likewise "(V8 Supercars)" - such as Ford BF Falcon (V8 Supercars) - also would not work as V8 Supercars has not and is not currently used. We cannot use a simple "Touring Car" denomination considering the Volvo S60 has a WTCC version which is not the same. This isn't an issue with vehicle models, where we will use the model or generation of race car - for example 'Ford FG Falcon ("denomination" - 1st/2nd Generation)' or 'Mercedes-Benz E63 W212 ("denomination")'.
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thread_title: Articles for Race Models

message: Events seem to be named in two formats; either the generic name, e.g. 2017 Newcastle 500 and the commercial name e.g. 2017 Wilson Security Sandown 500. For consistency it should be one or the other.  The former seems to be the way others are named, both motor and other sports, are named, e.g. 2017 Monaco Grand Prix, 2017 Indianapolis 500, 2017 AFL Grand Final, 2017 Australian Open and 2017 Melbourne Cup,  But historically most Supercar event article names seem to have included the commercial name. Thoughts? Memdo56 (talk) 22:41, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: We should use the 'generic' name, i.e. 2017 Sandown 500, not 2017 Wilson Security Sandown 500. Crick12 (talk) 06:06, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Event name formats 

message: I'm for keeping the generic name. Sponsors can and do change over time. Case in point, the Clipsal 500 became the Superloop 500, but everything else about the event remained the same. Sure, the money from the sponsor helps the event run, but the 2018 round was just known as the "Adelaide 500". Mclarenfan17 (talk) 02:51, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really only the American series that use sponsor names in race titles. It's part of the culture of name-dropping sponsors and suppliers at every opportunity (and because NASCAR sometimes holds multiple rounds at the same venues, so they have to call the races something). But it does get ridiculous sometimes—Marcos Ambrose won the 2011 Heluva Good! Sour Cream Dips at The Glen ... Mclarenfan17 (talk) 23:38, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not actually correct to claim that only the Americans use sponsor names in race titles as Australian promotors have been doing this for at least sixty years. The 1955 Argus Trophy, held at Albert Park, was sponsored by The Argus newspaper and I see no logical way of referencing this race other than by its actual name. In the same vein, the Armstrong 500 had no generic name in its Phillip Island years and renaming it as the Bathurst 500 from 1963 destroys the synergy of the multi-year history of the race. CAMS recognise these races by their original sponsored names and continued to do so in more recent times, as recorded in their Titles documentation. Keeping the actual race names also avoids the issue of what names to use when there are (e.g.) two "Bathurst 1000" races in the one year. It should also be remembered that it wasn't until 1996 that the word Bathurst was even included in the official name. Having asked myself "as we here to record history or to re-write it?" I am compelled to express a strong preference for using the name that the race organisers used. GTHO (talk) 10:27, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: But you'll find in this instance that sources are overruled by the most overused of Wikipedia conventions, WP:COMMONNAME. It states that we should "use commonly recognised names" where possible, and at events it applies; in the case of the 500/1000, the names Phillip Island 500, Bathurst 500, Bathurst 1000 and Australia 1000 are most commonly used. The example of the Watkins Glen NASCAR events do not comply simply because they cannot, as there is no clear definition as to what event a particular race falls under. Note also that, as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian sports, whereby other leagues and events do not use commercial names in their titles (e.g. 2018–19 A-League as opposed to 2018-19 Hyundai A-League, 2018 NRL Grand Final as opposed to 2018 NRL Telstra Premiership Grand Final, etc.), we are obliged to follow suit. The other point I may add is that if the Argus Trophy you mentioned is a one-off event, then only in that instance - where there is no alternate name available - may it remain as is. Holdenman05 (talk) 06:38, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Per my comments at in a separate discussion above, support Generic names. That is how most other international motor sport and Australian sports articles are named. Crick12 (talk) 01:39, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing a sponsor name from within a race name to create a page title is one thing (e.g.  2018 RABBLE.club Sandown 500 >  2018 Sandown 500) but 1960 Armstrong 500 > 1960 Phillip Island 500 is questionable from two points of view. Firstly a Google search of "1960 Armstrong 500" (within inverted commas) produces 6,900 results whilst "1960 Phillip Island 500" gives 2. Secondly, WP:COMMONNAME prescibes that we "do not invent names" and that is what is being done in this case. I note also that "1997 Primus 1000 Classic" produces 1870 Google search results and "1997 Australian 1000" produces 3. I believe that these are two examples of many which would not meet the WP:COMMONNAME requirement for commonly recognizable names. GTHO (talk) 05:09, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, Google search results are irrelevant to Wikipedia as it is both a third party and not the only search engine available. Secondly, the sponsorless names of the 500/1000s are not invented as they are already used on Wikipedia in this template and as subtext since the 1965 race, particularly the 1967 race which was an edit you made yourself less than a year ago. Holdenman05 (talk) 06:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Phillip Island 500 was never used to describe the 1960-62 Armstrong 500. It is not appropriate article title. --Falcadore (talk) 09:36, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  With regard to the relevance of Google search results when choosing article titles, WP:COMMONNAME states "In determining which of several alternative names is most frequently used, it is useful to observe the usage of major international organizations, major English-language media outlets, quality encyclopedias, geographic name servers, major scientific bodies, and notable scientific journals. A search engine may help to collect this data". The term "Phillip Island 500" is not used on the 1967 Gallaher 500 page to refer to a particular race, but rather to a group of races. In retrospect, it was a poor choice, especially when we have a page on the Phillip Island 500 which refers to a totally separate series of races. I stand corrected on that.  GTHO (talk) 03:56, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Events

message: Shell V-Power Racing emailed its supporters today announcing that Roger Penske will not be part of DJR in 2021, and that Maclaughlin is going premamently to the Penske Indy team (butwill co-drive at Bathurst). Waiting for RS before updating the relevant articles. Moriori (talk) 00:30, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Penske pulls out of DJR, and Maclaughlin not returning 

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message: Somehow this page went halfway through the season without updating to the new Gen 3 regulations so Ive attempted to add some detail. Reading the regulations I see references to the "VSD", "GSD", and "ESD". I can gather these are official documents which contain far greater detail than what the Operations Manual offers (which is about as helpful as just looking a the car, it still has the weight set as TBC) however a trip to google suggests these are basically only held by teams and officials. I might be wrong on this though. If anyone knows more about these I would be happy to comb through them to update the page. Or generally more information such as on the wheels and braking of the new gen would be appreciated  DukeDragon28 (talk) 17:19, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gen 3 cars information