Talk:Trial by combat

message: Could anyone find the references to the Annals of the Four Masters and Holinshed's Chronicles in the section, Account of a trial? My notes don't specify the pages, and I'm not able to go to the texts. --shtove 21:30, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: "In modern times, this is survived by the usual attachment of the title "esquire" after lawyers' names." I have removed this as it not only only applys to US lawyers but also fits neither with the wiki article on the term esquire, nor with my own knowelede, and it is unsourced. Suicidal mongoose 23:21, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: I have added references for Ashford v. Thornton in The Newgate chronicle, where large parts of this article seem to originate, such as details of the oath against witchcraft. This article needs a significant clean-up, as information is scattered in no particular order, and in the wrong subsections. E.G. the case that caused Trial by Wager of Battle to be excised from the English statutes should not be in European Origins/English Common Law! I'd do it myself, or tag it for cleanup, but I'm not that confident in my editing skills or cleanup procedure.  --82.39.96.54 00:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newgate Calendar. Also, cleanup and references required 

message: It does not seem to be correct that the writ of right was abolished when trial by combat was. I have found a law report in The Times (of London) from 1838 of a case in the Court of Common Pleas called Davies v Lowndes, which states it was the last trial of that kind that would ever be held. See William Selby Lowndes. In the case report the Attorney-General (representing Mr Selby Lowndes) mentions the former trial by battle procedure (he also mentions having been present in Westminster Hall when the gauntlet was thrown down - I presume in the Ashford case). Does anyone have access to the text of the  legislation abolishing trial by battle so we can clarify this point? I may visit the Law Society library in the next month or two so if no one has sorted this out before then I will see what I can come up with. --Gary J 22:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Writ of right

message: The section on the Dog of Montargis appears to have been taken verbatim from the website it cites (the website has the story at the bottom of the page). The article does not give any clear indication that the text was not created by a Wikipedia editor. Could someone write in the code to put it in a "block quote" box?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.254.45.241 (talk) 02:07, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked this out, and you're right. Copyright violations need to be deleted on sight, and a section consisting entirely of a quote won't do. If this is to be returned, it needs to be rewritten from scratch. :bloodofox: (talk) 10:22, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog of Montargis 

message: I can't honestly believe the pure, untainted Germanic-Nordic folks were the only ones to have something like trial by combat. Just off the top of my mind I know examples from ancient Greco-Roman history. This simply seems like possible "ethnic exceptionalism" or borderline ethnocentrism to me. I can't pull a million references from history immediately this moment but this whole Germano-mania thing is a bit odd if you ask me, as if the Germanic-Nordics were the only manly warriorly-soldierly society with such hypermasculine, warlike customs...
: You are reading too much into it. The medieval english legal and fictional traditions are most influenced by nearby cultures, which is why the Nordic and Germanic traditions are most prominent, and the greek/latin the second most prominent. You are not blaming medieval Europe for not being globally aware enough are you? 80.198.90.250 (talk) 07:25, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Quote from actual studies of celtic law, which is documented well enough, not from some neo-romantic drivel. 173.176.137.97 (talk) 17:47, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you be kind enough to provide citations for celtic law documentation? Many people from non-celtic lands have no clue where to actually look without a lot of grief. I for one have more than enough grief in my life for three people and change, but would enjoy learning from a new scholarly site that is factual and not neo-romantic bullshit on rye, calling itself a Reuben.Wzrd1 (talk) 18:02, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

text: What are you even trying to say. To claim someone has a valid point of critique but then don't actually follow up with sources is pointless. 178.24.244.156 (talk) 05:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnocentric Bias?, Germanocentrism?

message: Trial by combat appears in the Talmud (at least according to some readings), which would be another early source, and contradict the article's assertion that "It was unknown in Roman law and does not figure in the traditions of oriental antiquity such as the code of Hammurabi or the Torah." See Hebrew wikipedia Yteitz (talk) 12:08, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talmud 

message: A "brief history" of trail by combat here. I thought some of the info might be relevant to the article?
:The diversity of ordeals inflicted by judges and communities on suspected wrongdoers is as variable as man’s imagination. In medieval Europe, suspected criminals grasped hot iron or were dunked in ponds. In an example from the Bible, a priest tested a woman accused of adultery by giving her poisoned water. In India, one ordeal practiced in the 1800s involved weighing a man on giant scales that held a large quantity of clay. In Liberia, human rights groups have highlighted the current practice of burning suspects with a machete. In each case, this was not the punishment for the crime, but the trial.
Worth adding some of this info to the article? Let me know what you guys think! Cheers Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 22:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: New Article from Priceonomics

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Marital duel. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  signed, Rosguill talk 18:00, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
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message: From the Russian wikipedia:  Notice that the Orthodox church was opposed to this. Was this also the case in Western Christianity?--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 01:34, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian version of this