Talk:Cricket/oldpoll

message: This poll will be closed in 2 weeks, September 2, after which the consensus (or lack thereof) will be noted.
===Preamble===
There has been a long-standing debate on whether:
#the article cricket should be about the sport, with a link to the insect article and a separate disambiguation page (as is the case currently), or 
#the article cricket should itself be a disambiguation page.  (In addition to the sport and the insect, the disambugiation page also lists Cricket (darts), Cricket (airplane), Cricket (magazine), Plymouth Cricket, Cricket (software), Chrząszcz, and The Crickets).)
See the discussion above.
For this vote, the first option will be called "the Sport option", and the second option will be called "the Disambig option". 
====History====
*Historically, in October 2001, the main cricket article was a disambiguation page (, now in the page history of page of cricket (disambiguation)). 
*The pages that are now cricket (insect) and cricket date back to February 2002 (then at cricket (insect)  and cricket (sport)  respectively, with cricket being a simple disambiguation page ) 
*The sport article was renovated by User:Nichalp and others in August 2004, and moved to the main cricket article, with the old cricket article moving to cricket (disambiguation) - see Talk:Cricket (disambiguation).  
====Arguments for the Sport option====
:Please keep these brief. One line, if possible.
* The vast majority of articles (2300 out of 2500) that link to cricket refer to the sport.  These would all have to be changed.  (All links were changed from cricket (sport) when the sport moved to cricket.)
* Among the first 20 google hits for "cricket", 17 are about the sport and none  is about the insect. The first google hit for the insect is at #101 -   - while the American Cricket Association (related to the sport in the United States) is #39.
* In most areas of the world, the word "cricket" primarily refers to the sport.
* When counting "English speakers" as those who speak English regularly, even if not as a first language, roughly 2/3 of English speakers live outside the U.S. and would consider the word "cricket" to primarily refer to the sport.
* Precedents include London (the capital of the UK, as opposed to the other places called "London") and Napoleon.
* For those looking for the insect, it is one extra click either way.  Therefore there would be no benefit to the reader from the change.
* It is the status quo ante, has been for a year with little dispute, and change should not be made without consensus.
* The overwhelming number of searches for "cricket" are likely to be for the sport. The sport is popular in England, Wales, India, Pakistan, the West Indies, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand and elsewhere. Very few actual searches for "cricket" will be for the insect (it's not that popular a critter!)
====Arguments for the Disambig option====
:Please keep these brief. One line, if possible.
* When counting "English speakers" as only those who speak English as a first language, excluding those who speak English regularly as a second language, roughly 2/3 of English speakers live in the U.S. and would not consider the word "cricket" to primarily refer to the sport.
* Precedents include Georgia, football, and America.
* The policy Wikipedia:Disambiguation says "Where there is no … consensus, disambiguation pages are named after the topic itself (Table, for example)."
* The articles which link to cricket can be changed automatically via a bot to link to cricket (sport) (as was done a year ago).
=== Votes for the Sport option ===
:"The page cricket should contain the information about the sport, with a link to the insect and the disambiguation page at the top."
#smoddy 14:03, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "The page cricket should contain the disambiguation page, with links to both the sport and the insect."
# – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 13:51, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
# Nereocystis 14:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Please do not leave long comments in the vote sections above.
* Feel free to reword the common arguments, but please do not reword the voting statements. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 13:51, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
**Why did this have to come about like this? There was no discussion about the poll before it was launched into, there was no agreement about duration or anything similar, and inaccurate statements were included. Why could the poll not have been discussed before it happened, as per Wikipedia:Survey guidelines? smoddy 14:05, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If we really want to resolve this issue with a poll (remembering that polls are considered evil), what we need is a preliminary period to decide (i) what the questions should be, and (ii) what the criteria for deciding whether a question passes or fails should be. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:36, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poll on where "Cricket" should be disambiguated 

message: :"The page cricket should contain the information about the sport, with a link to the insect and the disambiguation page at the top."
#smoddy 14:03, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Votes for the Sport option 

message: :"The page cricket should contain the disambiguation page, with links to both the sport and the insect."
# – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 13:51, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
# Nereocystis 14:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Votes for the Disambig option 

message: :Please do not leave long comments in the vote sections above.
* Feel free to reword the common arguments, but please do not reword the voting statements. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 13:51, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
**Why did this have to come about like this? There was no discussion about the poll before it was launched into, there was no agreement about duration or anything similar, and inaccurate statements were included. Why could the poll not have been discussed before it happened, as per Wikipedia:Survey guidelines? smoddy 14:05, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If we really want to resolve this issue with a poll (remembering that polls are considered evil), what we need is a preliminary period to decide (i) what the questions should be, and (ii) what the criteria for deciding whether a question passes or fails should be. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:36, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments