Talk:Rinoa Heartilly

message: I put back "the heroine" instead of "one of the heroines" since FFVIII is Squall's and her story. -Eileen-
:No, it isn't just her story. Yes, she's a primary character, but she is still one of three (arguably four) heroines. I've changed it to "primary character," which should stand well as a neutral means of referencing her. Peptuck 02:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, that's not our call to make. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Articles must maintain encyclopedic language, and "heroine" is not encyclopedic as it stands. I've altered the article to use "heroine" but instead as heroine. Peptuck 23:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: "Heroine" is not NPOV. It is not appropriate for an encyclopedic article. Peptuck 06:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Heroine

message: I've reviewed the article and it appears to pass the GA criteria. I made a few tiny edits, but overall, a job well done. MahangaTalk to me 03:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Might I ask what in particular should be worked on in relation to the WAF MOS? — Deckiller 03:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article nomination 

message: I love this article. Thanks Deckiller for working so hard on it. Here is what I think should be added to the article: 
1. Sheila's site about Rinoa. I normally don't like fanlistings and they usually shouldn't be in articles but I think there should be an exception for this one because it is exceptionally well done and the author doesn't use her opinions very often.
2. Rinoa's Asian looking features.
That is my opinion. -Eileen-
:I can't say anything about the fansite, since I'm not familiar with it, but I don't think we should include stuff about Rinoa's asian features.  Firstly, the ethnicities of the characters in FF8 are never explicitly stated anywhere, so if we say Rinoa's asian that'd be original research and opinion.  Secondly, does it really matter whether Rinoa looks asian?  Bhamv 03:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I recall that the developers sincerely wanted to make her look European but somehow ended up having an Asian-looking character and calling that good enough. I hesitate to add that as of yet because I don't have a proper citation for it in front of me, though. Axem Titanium 21:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi, I'm not sure how to post here. Rinoa is not Asian. She's meant to look European as are her parents. My site also has never mentioned that Rinoa is Asian, ever. Quite the opposite. I constantly point out that FF8 has Asians (Kadowaki, Xu) and Rinoa is Galbadian. Nomura describing all of the main FF8 cast design (along with sources listed) is translated here. http://flaregamer.com/b2article.php?p=81&more=1 If there's anything else that needs clarification, please let me know. Thanks.
On top of this racial issue, it all seems terribly relative.  As a Chinese person, I view most of Square-Enix's CG'd characters as having distinctive Japanese style and features, even if they aren't intended to be Japanese, per se (i.e. Tidus, Selphie, Rinoa, Quistis) and I attribute that mainly to models that are more than likely going to be Japanese/Asian.Luminum (talk) 11:35, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Improving the article

message: i'm not really sure if this is the right place or way to mention this, but, in my experience rinoa is a very "controversial" character in terms of her popularity. i.e, a lot of people find her annoying, and she's often cited as one of the most annoying characters in the ff series, etc., etc. however, her "criticism" section is basically devoid of any of that - it only mentions various people that do like her. i'm not sure, but, it seems to me like the negative reaction to her is also worth mentioning...?
67.189.241.139 (talk) 03:24, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Something like that would have to be cited, otherwise it falls into the realm of opinion and is not NPOV.  Is there an external reliable source that mentions how people find her annoying?  Bhamv (talk) 05:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  criticism? 

message: I'd paraphrase and move this quote elsewhere czar ♔ 13:43, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nojima quote 

message: So this is another one of the Niemti articles. Based on the exhaustive sourcing, I don't see how this character is independently notable. The closest we get is that quote that Rinoa's name is unforgettable. The rest of the list mentions are passing mentions and don't constitute significant coverage for the general notability guideline. I can go on, but I would propose that the prose be greatly condensed and then merged as a major section back into the FF8 characters article. czar 14:23, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, if it's already been checked, I don't mind. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:10, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not opposed; she's not the most iconic character, even from her own game, as evidenced by the pretty short development section and the usual Niemti mountain-out-of-a-series-of-molehills reception section. --PresN 20:56, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't think much debate is going to happen on this point, so let's have User:Czar go ahead and get it merged if he is willing. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 07:09, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Went ahead and did it myself. --PresN 16:29, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability