Talk:Camp Fire (organization)/Archive 1

message: Please disregard.  Pictures will be forthcoming with appropriate tags. WarFighter 04:21, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: The article correctly states that Bluebirds are now called Starflight (I can't imagine my son wanting to be a bluebird), but it still says that the mascot is a bluebird. My wife has her own Camp Fire group, and she says the bluebird logo went out when they changed to Starflight. Art LaPella 01:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the info. Could the mascot (versus the symbol) for the program still be a bluebird? I'm going to change it to say the mascot was "originally" the bluebird, but let me know if the bluebird still factors into the program anywhere. It used to be a popular project to make bluebird nesting boxes--it would be sad if they ditched the bird completely. Katr67 02:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I removed the reference to the bluebird entirely until a cited source can be found for its continued use in the program in any form. Katr67 19:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bluebird

message: The Camp Fire USA Eastern Massachusetts Council gives "the original Camp Fire Law" as simply "Seek Beauty, Give Service, Pursue Knowledge, Be Trustworthy, Hold On to Health and Be Happy". Not present are "Worship God" and "Glorify Work". Has the Camp Fire Law changed over the years? 
This old book from 1916, The Camp Fire Girls at School by Hildegard G. Frey, gives "the Law of the Camp Fire, which is to seek beauty, give service, pursue knowledge, be trustworthy, hold on to health, glorify work, and be happy". Again, no "worship God".
Finally, how can this article state that "Camp Fire USA is inclusive ... open to all youth of any .... creed, religion," if one of the requirements of the Law is to "Worship God"? What about nontheist youth? — Coelacan | talk 20:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't find the Camp Fire Law on the national site, but I only spent about 5 minutes looking. Since they have a lot about diversity, including religious diversity, I suspect that they dropped that from it, but it's hard to tell, since I can't find it at all. --Habap 23:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please Wikipedia:Assume good faith until there is reason to believe otherwise. No one has been "editing" the words "Worship God"; they have remained in the article, unchanged since before this discussion began. Some people were asking about it, because they had some good reasons to believe the words had been removed from the law. You have additional information from a song book. Good, that is the purpose of a Wikipedia talk page. I presume the words "Worship God" will stay in the article unless someone has an answer to the evidence from the song book. Art LaPella 20:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you. Art LaPella 18:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Camp Fire Law 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Witch wendy comic1.jpg

message: A userbox that mentions this org is up for deletion.  Dreadstar † 22:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: MfD userbox

message: In the Camp Fire USA#Camp Fire Law section it says: "Pursue Knowledge – Be honest, truthful and do the things you say you will do. Be worthy of responsibilities others give you." That is a mistake because the explanation duplicates the next line, "Be Trustworthy", and because that explanation is about being trustworthy, not about pursuing knowledge. Art LaPella (talk) 05:14, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that didn't realise I typed it wrong, I changed it to what it should say.--Campzanika (talk) 23:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pursue Knowledge 

message: Here is the NYT announcement of the "Campfire Girls of America":
There are a number of notable names listed: Luther Gulick and 
Charlotte Gulick of course, as well as Jane Addams, Daniel Carter Beard, Lee F. Hanmer, Ernest Thompson Seton, Desha Breckinridge, Mrs. James E. West and others. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  19:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Does anyone know how you would go about getting the needs more references box taken off the page or if there are even enough references to get it taken off yet? Thanks
--Abebless (talk) 17:34, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and removed the tag. When this was tagged by MickMacNee a year ago, it only had one reference and that was to the Camp Fire website: diff. The article does need a bit of clean up, but it's come a long way since then. If there are any statements that still need a reference, at this point it would be better to add  tags to those sentences. If you're not sure if you should remove a tag, and you have the patience to go through an article's edit history (this one was fairly short so it wasn't too bad) and find who added the tag (the tag should be dated so you can concentrate on the edits from that month and year), you can always ask the editor who added it. Cheers, Katr67 (talk) 20:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: References tag

message: It was my understanding that Juliette Gordon Low founded the Girl Scouts as a companion organization to the Boy Scouts; while it's entirely possible that both organizations were founded at the same time for the same reason, a citation with a page number saying so (rather than a Google Books link) would be helpful.--Miniapolis (talk) 20:42, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founding citation 

message: Because The Blaze is not considered to be a reliable source because it is considered to be biased propaganda, the citation was changed to one directly from the Camp Fire organization. Steelbeard1 (talk) 20:36, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Blaze is not a reliable source 

message: Why does tHis section discuss rather exclusively a gown when the organization has been coed since 1975? I doubt the males in this organization wish to wear gowns, so what do they wear? Wschart (talk) 17:19, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ceremonial attire?