Talk:Naruto/Archive 3

message: As of chapter 310, it is quite obvious that Sai is not an enemy. He should be removed from the "Enemies" section of the menu. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.234.217.131 (talk • contribs) 02:40, 9 June 2006  (UTC)
:I agree with this. I think he has been able to sufficiently prove that he is loyal to Konoha right now, after the he was given the "Uzumaki Naruto lecture/battle to change one's mind." --GhostStalker 04:47, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sai

message: In the section: "Censorship reaction", the following phrase: " The original curse seal resembled a swastika, while the edited version was an "X". " can be misunderstood because it assumes that the Original Japanese version of the Anime has the Swastika. The Manga Has the swastika simble, but the Anime removed this even in Japan for fear of negative critical response because of the erroneous association of the simble with the nazi swastika. Also, there needs some reference too. --Guille2015 04:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  FYI, the symbol that resembles a swastika is an ancient symbol of Buddha, representing his footsteps.
--perfectblue 11:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Censorship reaction

message: Naruto used to be a disambig page, and there was a discussion page associated with it. Are the contents of these pages archived anywhere? The current disambig page was created relatively recently (11 April 2006). IIRC in the discussion, there was a vote then as to whether "Naruto (manga)" should have been moved to "Naruto", which was overwhelmingly opposed by vote count. —Tokek 13:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The old Naruto and Talk:Naruto pages? 

message: everyone keeps on talking and claiming the fillers have nothing to do with naruto 2, and i just wanna know kishimoto's view on the fillers because isn't he the writer??
:From what I've seen, such comments are merely unhappy fans who don't like the anime filler. Sadly, their opinions have wormed their way into every single anime-based detail. With the way this series is being run, it's a safe asumption that what happens in the filler arcs will be respected by the manga since they're minor details at best (for example, who cares if Mizuki came back, since he's a minor character). – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 14:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally an author has the final say, or atleast some say in their work. So most likely the filler is approved for use and as the article states, it would be a bad thing for the anime series to go past the story that the manga has established. But the filler is often trite, with even more forced bursts of action. Their will be very minor stories that have nothing to do with anything and then a battle scene, which is usually quickly over before it began. Another problem with the filler is that it was slated to end weeks ago(actually I believe its been months now), but has continued. Even a new techinique for them to explore (and exploit) would be nice, but instead we get stories that don't give any history or depth to the characters involved and don't progress the story at all. If these filler episodes had been better spaced. A block of filler then the original story then more filler, we wouldn't have the current problems which we have now. That problem being the show getting stale effectively making it jump the shark. Zanduar 21:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They were probably waiting for the third movie to come out before delving into Part II; at least, one would hope that's the case. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or maybe, Japanese fans still want to see more of Naruto as what he currently is and the makers of the anime are capitalizing on this point. Like when an artist has a high selling album currently out in the market, he wouldn't immediately release a new one even if there's already material for it. --Beef noodles 00:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  whats kish's comments on filler?  

message: This has nothing to do with anything specifically involving Naruto, but what does Wikipedia use to translate Japanese Text into English characters. I've been looking for a translator, but it only translates English Text into Japanese Characters, and vise versa. I'm looking for one that'll translate into Japanese, but with English characters. Anyone?
::The Wretched
: is a preety nice one (though sometimes inaccurate); but i don't think wikipedia has tools for translation.  It's Probably user's going back and forth. --Bud0011 22:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I use Jim Breen's WWWJDIC. --Pentasyllabic 00:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Translator

message: what happened to the list of naruto story arcs and episodes??
:Moved. Check the navigation box at the bottom. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what?? 

message: Since this is a multiple page problem, I'm just issuing a blanket statement here. Please do not move pages by simply copy/pasting the content into the name you want to use. I just went through the Clash of Ninja articles restoring the original pages. If you can't move a page to the correct name, ask an administrator to help. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving articles 

message: So...what's up? I thought it deserved at least GA-Class. Unless it's just rated this 'cause of the Anime Wikiproject, which I imagine is going through the anime articles and figuring them out and will restore a better rating when everything gets better... The Wretched 01:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutly not there are so many fan speculation. This article barely deservs a B rank at this moment. Until the manga is done we cant make an accurate article that deservs an A Koopo 14:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition to that, an individual go only assess an article as B or lower.  To get a GA status, the article must undergo a perry review (same as FA status, A-class just needs a quick concensus on the talk page). --Miss Ethereal 15:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shinigami (Bleach) made GA status recently without the manga being finished yet, so it's not necessarily a requirement. You just need to make sure all your data is verified and your vandalism, POV, and speculation are reverted. --tjstrf 21:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: B-Class

message: In the section about the uncut box set, the dub is actually recorded unedited and then cut later, not the other way around.--75.7.149.4 21:01, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Small Change

message: The Dattebayo article is likely going to be deleted, so here is the info from that article:
:From the Japanese plain copula 「だ」 ("da"), which translates as all non-past forms of the verb "to be" except location phrases such as "there is" (which would be better translated as 「いる」 "iru" for animate objects and 「ある」 "aru" for inanimate) and 「〜ってばよ」 ("-ttebayo"), a colloquial verb ending that makes the speaker sound uncultured, brusque, and trying to seem tougher than they really are.
:"Dattebayo" is most associated with Naruto from the anime/manga of the same name.  In the English translation of the anime (and in the video games), "dattebayo" is rendered as "believe it!" despite not having any semantic meaning.
:According to the fansub group "Dattebayo"'s website (4th answer on their FAQ) the word means nothing and is used at the end of a sentence by Naruto (main character of the anime of the same name).
Included it in this article as you will. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If anything, It goes in the Uzumaki Naruto article, not here. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, include it there as you will. (^_^) ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, for whatever usefullness it may hold. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 07:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I've seen 「ってば」 most often used by children who are trying to get others' attention, especially that of their parents (who are usually ignoring them for a reason -- e.g. Kaa-san tteba! "Moooom!!"). 「ったら」 is a related form. Secondarily, it's something that can be added to emphasize what's already been said, often to stress that the speaker is repeating him/herself and may be annoyed at having to do so. From this standpoint (as an attention-getting device and to add emphasis), one could probably infer that Naruto uses it all the time in order to have people notice him, and take what he's saying seriously (not that they actually do). --Julian Grybowski 22:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I rememeber reading a interview online when someone asked the meaning of Naruto's "dattebayo" habit, and Kishimoto saying: "That isn't really modeled on anything either. When I thought of childlike speech, "dattebayo" instantly came to mind. It's like it's become a part ofNaruto, and even now it brings out his "mischievousness".". Observation 13:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Info from Dattebayo article

message: Er so why was the trivia I added removed? There has been no reason given and I can't fathom why.
:Because it was either speculative nonsense (Naruto's father) or appalingly obvious (biju). – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:49, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: *Add references (Artbooks, Guides, Manga chapters, Jump etc.)
*Clean up Allover
- Malomeat 19:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tasks for improving the article

message: The spoilers tags do not come in early enough.  I don't want to spoil the series for myself any more than I just have done, so I won't help.  You cannot identify story arc's by name if the name is going to ruin it for the reader.  Please be hot on this; it's very easy to ruin it for the reader.  ;)  --CalPaterson 00:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're overreacting about this. Two little words barely spoil the plot. Sasuke Retrieval: retrieve him from what? Rescue Gaara: fairly self-explanitory, but from what? And so on, and so forth. There's no spoiler material at any point before the first spoiler warning, aside from small scenes noted in the editing section. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right.  Nevermind what I said.  --CalPaterson 15:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilers Tags Are Wrong 

message: iin the north amercan version they only use the words sucks and pervert they edited out cuss words including hell at least in the north american version not sure about the canadian version —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.34.154.247 (talk • contribs) 23:41, 29 July 2006  (UTC)
well then you didn't look hard enough. in one episode kakashi says to orochimaru "what snake pit in hell did you crawl from." or something like that. (Tirkaro 02:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: cussing

message: In the English section, should we talk about the translation? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by  Ryu Ematsu (talk • contribs) 05:26, 30 July 2006  (UTC)
The strongest language I have seen (so far) is Kiba saying "Bull"
Please sign your comments. Also, I ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ'd at Kiba's swearing. --Alexie 03:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation

message: All single character Naruto character pages have had formal move requests made.  As pointed out in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga#Naruto_character_article_titles, the current names for articles about Naruto characters are inconsistent with the names used for other anime characters (Naruto characters use Japanese order for names, while most other anime characters have their name in Western order), as well not following the naming guidelines in WP:MOS-JA. 
DO NOT COMMENT HERE. Please participate in the centralized discussion at Talk:Uzumaki Naruto --Kunzite 02:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested Character Page Move Notification

message: The TV series is going to be broadcasted from autumn this year on RTL2 in Germany. I am a really bad editor of wiki sites so could someone do that? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.55.251.177 (talk • contribs) --Al1976 11:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Al1976 11:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested change 

message: Where can you find the databook on the internet anyone know any sites 69.218.235.178 06:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  databook 

message: Okay as a reference to the above topic, I was going to change all the names back, but when I went back to the main page, part of the article was missing and all of it was in a table...
:Fixed.  I reverted the article back to a previous version.  Some edits may have been lost but rather than going back and figuring out what broke, it was just easier to revert it.  --Miss Ethereal 17:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What happened to the main page?

message: Whilst I may be out numbered on this opinion here I'm going to bring it up anyway.  If this was already disscussed sorry for bringing it up again.  For all articles concerning Naruto in any way, or most anime/ manga, I would like to request that we switch the character's names back to the origonal Japanese.  I feel that 4Kids' work on localization was very poor for this anime, and a few others.  While localization is not bad in itsself the butchering of names and other such words is bad.  As I don't wish to cause a huge uproar, feel free to deny me this option, but I don't think you'd like it very much if the Japanese suddenly decided to call everyone name John Smith, Smith John because it fit them better, and they found it too troublesome to learn abit of another culture to keep the origonal product more culturally (and in this case more grammatically) correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.246.153.117 (talk • contribs) 
:Wikipedia policy states we go with what's published. Whatever's published, we just repeat. Pacific Coast Highway {blah • Snakes on a Plane} 02:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummm... VIZ dubs Naruto, not 4Kids.  And VIZ also translated the manga.  Get your facts straight, please. I find the idea that we should use INCORRECT grammar because it's correct in another language laughable. Apples and oranges. Danny Lilithborne 02:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion has passed on this issue. It's the English wikipedia, so we use the GN_SN style of name-ordering. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

text: What Someguy said. We already debated this issue nearly three weeks ago. Both Wikipedia's Manual of Style and WP:ANIME's guidelines say to use Western order, and that's what we're going with. Which medium fans think is "canonical" or what they think of the quality of a translation does not matter. –NeoChaosX (talk | contribs) 02:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well put. Besides, the order in which a given name and a surname are used is not a matter of canon or quality, but a matter of region. In the region we encompass here, GN comes before SN. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Um, okay. And the decision is not made by "wiki-gods", but by consensus. Pacific Coast Highway {blah • Snakes on a Plane} 01:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Umm... >___> 

message: If we have Sai why don't we have Yamato listed in the main character in the template? Judging from what he did in Grass Arc and what is doing now he deserves it. Discuss.Cuttyflam 07:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yamato in the Main Characters

message: Are they any major differences. --Al1976 16:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences between Naruto versions in Canada and the US 

message: Under Wikipedia policy links to unofficial non-notable websites such as fansites or forums should be avoided. Please remember that Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links. Any links not approved by consensus on this page will be deleted on sight. Thanks,   Netsnipe  ►  10:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: : I'd like to see this moved to Naruto (manga and anime) and have Naruto (disambiguation) moved into its place.  Certainly a case can be made that the manga/anime is more famous worldwide, but I think a few arguments can be made against that.  Namely, Naruto is very much a notable place name (think Niagara), enough to justify a disambiguation page.  Also, the manga and anime is a recent and current pop phenomenon, so the scope of its popularity is very much transient.  Lastly, the argument that more people are likely to come here for the series than for anything else is true, but that speaks more to the type of people that come to the Wikipedia than to the importance/significance of the subject itself, and I don't think we should target the Wikipedia to an Internet-savvy audience even if that is most of its audience (one reason, among others, is that the Wikipedia has pretensions of appealing to a broader audience, particularly for educational purposes, and I think we should support that cause).  Even if this is strongly opposed, I'm curious to see how people feel about this at this stage. Jun-Dai 04:08, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to [[Naruto (manga and anime)]]