Talk:Pow-wow (folk magic)

message: By the article in Wikipedia, The first Europeans that saw the Natives engaged in Pau Wau - translated it to Pow Wow (to indicate the dance gathering). 
But
Your article about Pow Wow (folk magic) says that the term was European (indicating to me that it originated in Europe). Is this a mistake on my part?  Or does the name Pow Wow refer to the Europeanized version of Pau Wau?
My burning question is:
Did the European folk magic (Pow Wow) idea originate & influence the Natives or were the Natives already engaged in Pow Wow's (Pau Wau) - or are we talking about to different intrepretations of Pow Wow that evolved separately?
Thanks 
fmfalcao@netscape.net
:I am not sure what you are asking.  This article, at least, says that the native name was merely borrowed and applied to a pre existing tradition of European-derived folk magic.  I understand that "pow wow" originally meant shaman, so this may be the connection.  -- Smerdis of Tlön 16:07, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: fmfalcao, they are two different things.  The term Pow-Wow was borrowed by european-american settlers and applied to their already existing body of folk-medicine/folk-magic.  The Pow-Wow that THIS article refers to is not at all derived from Native American sources. Rather, it is an amalgamation of several traditions most notably, Western European pagan practices, Esoteric Jewish Magic (Kabalah) and herbal medicine.  It's a fascinating subject and I'd like to expand on this article some in the future.Lisapollison 17:19, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused about origins 

message: The paragraph 'Quotations' is ended with the sentence:
"A note from someone that is an actual brewer, this is not a recomended recipe, it will most likely give you a very gingery, and cidery brew that will not likely be pleasant. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/brewing for better info."
Obviously this needs a citation of some kind, or at least rewritten. What would be the best way to rewrite this? -Shai-kun 21:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes - the beer recipe is just a sample of the contents of the text, put in to give an indication of the breadth of its concerns, and its mixture of the supernatural with the domestic.  Like the spells, it comes with no guarantee.  - Smerdis of Tlön 15:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On making good beer 

message: I can understand the person calling Pow Pow a mix of:
 Roman Catholic prayers, magic words, and simple rituals
but, how accurate is that?  No doubt some of the folk magic and spells in Pow Wow predates the Protestant Reformation but the groups that Pow Pow originated with were certainly not Roman Catholic.  They were Anabaptist in origin.  Indeed the man who wrote the book from which many of their commonly used spells come, John George Hohman was himself of similar religious leanings.  Would it not be more appropriate to simply subsitute the word Christian where the word Roman Catholic is now used?  Pow Wow borrows from the Bible but it's origins are mix of Christian folk beliefs, various european pagan beliefs, herbalism, common sense, simple medicine and Jewish esoterica.Lisapollison 16:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Roman Catholicism cite in the article

message: Powwow was a word the English colonists applied first to any gathering of American Indians and then to the apparently unrelated practice of religious healing among the Pennsylvania Dutch, or Germans. The German word for the same system is Braucherei, and its practitioners are called Brauchers. But powwow and powwowers remain more commonly used.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20091005_Another_medical_alternative.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brenthere (talk • contribs) 00:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pow-wow is Braucherei in PA German 

message: I am interested in starting to clean up this article.  I just wanted to put that notification out there that I hope to start work on improving this article in the next couple of weeks Eliasell (talk) 18:02, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starting to clean up this article 

message: Does anyone know how to get rid of the hyphenation in the title?  It's entirely unnecessary, and has been discarded by scholars in the field for the past 60 years or more. see "Powwowing: A Persistent American Esoteric Tradition, David W Kriebel, Ph.D." in the sources section. 
Although Brown is cited in this article and uses the hyphenation, his work is outdated. Paedrig777 (talk) 17:54, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction of Title - discarding hyphenation 

message: I am going to begin the process of rewriting this page over the next several weeks in order to provide a better summary of the tradition. This article does not even describe the most basic aspects of what powwowing is, and needs more citation of the solid sources that are available online, by Don Yoder, David Kriebel, and others. Paedrig777 (talk) 23:02, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  a necessary rewrite 

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