Talk:Housewife

message: Reading my relatives letters and memoirs from WW2, a 'housewife' is used by them to mean some sort of cleaning implement.  They are dead now, so I can't ask them, but it was not a scrubbing brush, nor a polishing cloth, but something along those lines.  Does anyone know more specifically what a 'housewife' is in this context? It was obviously a term in general use at the time. ixo (talk) 07:18, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other use of the term 

message: I just challenged some unsourced material on "Feminist Critique" and I actually did it because i believe one or two of the claims actually DO have verifiable sources, but the rest is garbage and thus must be removed. Even in the second paragraph where it says "Some feminists, as well as some non-feminist economists" is a terrible appeal to the numbers mixed with an appeal to authority because the by saying that some feminists and economists, it sounds like lots of "authorities" (appeal to the numbers and to authorities, a conflated logical fallacy) are making this claim and then only a single author and her co author are cited as the many authorities. If there are sources for this claim, it would at least help not to justify this conflated appeal to large numbers of authorities but to provide those of us who are interested in more sources to read, which I think is a great idea. If anyone knows good sources for this material, please cite it, but please don't add third-rate websites or other sources. since this section is about feminist critique, prominent feminists (those who have published work that has been widely read by their feminist peers, like all good peer reviews) are the best sources for the critique, as would be the critics of the critics. But please, let's insure the sources themselves are good, no third-rate website from some propaganda site because this does not help further the cause of feminism. only good, disciplined research can battle all the misinformation that eventually bites everyone in the butt in the end anyways. I will try to find some sources, but being only a amateur follower of feminism, I may not come up with sources more experienced and scholarly students of feminism might bring. Skaaii (talk) 21:54, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible Lack of Sources 

message: "Homemaker" has content which could usefully be included here. (Adding an "Expand" template has not worked.)--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 21:19, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homemaker in the Simple English Wikipedia 

message: I would like to update and add to this page to reflect the important and unique role stay-at-home women play in our society. I would especially like to focus on the impact housewives have on their children's future, as well as their impact on the overall economy.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbarczak (talk • contribs) 05:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions to the Housewife Page  

message: Since homemaker is the broader term and this article does discuss male homemakers somewhat, can we rename it homemaker and have housewife redirect to it?JaneSwifty (talk) 17:33, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is better not to rename it; one reason is that homemaker it primarily a North American concept and another that most of the content relates to societies or periods before "homemaker" came into common use.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 08:26, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I like Homemaker better too. I'm actually somewhat offended by housewife. TeeVeeed (talk) 02:59, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Homemaker is the preferable term, but if the article is renamed then it will need some substantial revision + the article Stay-at-home dad will need to be merged with it too. Banedon (talk) 01:01, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: As said above, homemaker is a North American concept. It would not fit a broader worldview. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 21:51, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: "Housewife" is factually wrong--the "house" is not the "spouse".Tachypaidia (talk) 18:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename article Homemaker? 

message: Why not translate some information about the housewives of Sweden? (Expand + language is not obsolete)--Johnsoniensis (talk) 03:58, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Sweden

message: Many of the sections can be combined, split, or simply left out. The section "Songs about the housewife's lot" is useless and frankly could be done without. "Notable women who were housewives" is far too vague and would be very hard to source. Its relevance is also debatable. Throughout the article there is stuff on history, which is spread between "History", "Housewives by country" and even "Sociology and economics". The "History" section itself is just one long line of text without any subheaders. Right now it's really tough to read. Sad, since Stay-at-home dad has such a good structure. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 21:50, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Awful structure

message: As pointed out by an IP, , the housewives in China section is self-contradictory. The section cites no sources, hence the tag (outright removal also an option). Banedon (talk) 08:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious tag 

message: In the beginning of the article the definition used for a "housewife" or "stay at home mother" seems to be close paraphrasing of the sources definition. A few words were added in between almost the same exact text as the source used. Although it was an appropriate citation of the source and the link was accurate, the paraphrasing was too similar. 
Also, the paragraphs including the roles of housewives in different countries are too different in lengths. The United Kingdom section does not compare to the lengthy section about the United States. 
-Jessica.moore75 (talk) 13:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: 2017

message: The term "housewife" has been used both as a synonym for stay-at-home moms as well as to refer to childless wives who are not employed, other then in the job of taking care of the home. I was able too find a number of references via Google to the term housewife being used to refer to childless stay-at-home wives. We need to expand this article to  include such wives  in the definition inion. Secondly, we need to include the attitudes for and against the concept of housewives. This includes the views of certain feminists past or present that looked down on housewifery to at least some degree. It also includes the "in the kitchen, barefoot, and pregnant" types who believe all wives should be housewives not working wives whenever possible. --Notcharliechaplin (talk) 17:09, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overly restrictive definition of housewife  

message: The prefix "stay" has a deprecating connotation:  (a) commanded to "stay", as a command given to a dog, (b) a lack of freedom of movement.  An "at-home" parent is not confined to quarters, but has substantially liberty--more so than an "at work" parent.  An at-home parent may may visit friends and family as wanted; take excursions to the park, to the library, to museum, special events, et. al.  This stands is stark contrast to an "at-work" parent where the employer owns one's time, and such visits require allocated leave time (if available) and by an employer's approval; otherwise, absence can be grounds for dismissal.  We do not speak of "stay-at-work" parents; no reason (actually far less reason) to speak of "stay-at-home."  For correctness, brevity and respect, simply "at-home" is proper. Tachypaidia (talk) 19:09, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Stay" at home is misnomer 

message: This page could use information on housewives in the United Kingdom.  I am currently working on this. (Loulou 1010 (talk) 19:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  United Kingdom 

message: So much of this article is dedicated to giving facts and figures related to how many wives work outside the home (see Housewife#In the United States in particular), that the focus of it has shifted away from housewifery, and instead onto two-income families and working wives. I accept that many housewives historically and presently do work outside the home, but this article is not meant to be about that based on the title. The focus has become unclear, so I'm tagging the article to raise the issue. I propose a split, especially the creation of a two-income family article. -- Netoholic @  23:04, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it would be difficult to split up the article as suggested; the income of the households where there are housewives would be difficult to research given that social patterns vary so much within countries and between different countries.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 11:38, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this article about housewives or about working wives? 

message: Re "* Worldwide // ** The nature of a housewife’s role means there are few if any notable housewives. The ones listed below are all notable for other activities, by the nature of these other activities they are not housewives: Politicians, teachers, authors and athletes, among others, are careers and as such these are career women." The addition of one editor's opinion is inappropriate. If this section is unsatisfactory there should be a discussion about it on this Talk page.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 11:03, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-employed 

message: The intro says that stay-at-home mother is a synonym for housewife, except not all housewives are mothers as the term is used in the real world. I can find references to childless housewives, sometimes known simply as stay-at-home wives. Given this, I think "stay-at-home mom" should be a subtopic of housewife and the debate about the the pro and cons of choosing to be a stay-ay-home mom of very young children (not of school age) can be discussed there, especially as it relates to whether such children turn out better if those who have a mom who works full time with the kids in daycare or under a nanny's care.Notcharliechaplin (talk) 18:47, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not all housewives are stay-at-home mothers 

message: The main article for this profession is homemaking. I do not see a reason to have a specifically gendered article name. Thoughts?--User:Namiba 15:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been proposed before: see Talk:Housewife#Rename article Homemaker?.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 20:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename to [[homemaker]] 

message: While this section is well-written, i am concerned that it focuses on only the western world, even though the article seems to be about housewives "around the world." Does anyone have any suggestions as to how this can be improved? Then we can find sources, since the section is mostly unsourced. Drew Stanley (talk) 17:54, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section 

message: The term 'housewife' is limited, outdated and potentially offensive. The article should be merged with the more generic/modern term 'Stay-at-home mother', including to mirror the article 'Stay-at-home father'. Alby585 (talk) 10:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with "Stay-at-home mother"