Talk:Nathaniel Wells

message: This desparatley needs a good cite.  Commissions should eb recorded in teh London Gazette, I can find his appointment as Sherrif, but nothing is turning up for the Yeomanry (http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/exact=Nathaniel+Wells;sort=oldest/start=11). It should also be born in mind that Yeomanry and Milita commissions were issued by the local Lord Lieutenant(see http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/1800-01-01;1820-12-31/exact=commissions+signed+by+the;sort=oldest/start=1 for examples), and were not regarded as being on a par with a regular army commission, signed by the King-particular in regard to the position in relation to Tull's later commission.  David Underdown (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Some Yeomanry and militia commissions were gazetted, as shown by the serach results above.  I even found one example for the Chepstow Troop, but not for Wells.  They woud certianly have received salutes etc from other militia and yeomanry officers, but I have seen it suggested (can't quite track it down at the moment though), that since they did not hold the King's commission, a Yeomanry lieutenant-colonel (say) could not actually order a regular army officer of lesser rank to do something - particularly when the Yeomanry was not actually embodied.  It should also be remembered that Tull is usually claimed as the first black combat officer, while Wells may well have participated in what would now be called exercises of military aid to the civil power, he never saw combat.  David Underdown (talk) 10:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Meant to say that, agreed, "the first black person to be commissioned into the Armed Forces of the Crown" is probably better wording.  David Underdown (talk) 11:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ive just seen a copy of Wyndham Quin and some of the information I was given was wrongly dated. He states (page 78) that an entry appeared in the London Gazette as follows "Nathaniel Wells, Gent., to be Lieutenant, vice Buckle, promoted June 20th 1820" Also the action re miners/colliers (page 81) is one and the same and occurred in 1822 Christoryland (talk) 15:24, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I managed to track down a contemporary official list of yeomanry officers, and that date agrees with what was in there.  I did read that the Yeomanry was briefly disbanded around that time, so it is just possible he was first commissioned in 1818, and recommissioned after the Yeomanry was reformed, but we had better go with the date we can substantiate.  I'll have another go at tracking down the Gazette entry, now I ahve a better idea of when it would ahve appeared.  David Underdown (talk) 16:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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