Talk:Aslan Maskhadov

message: "After helping to end the Lithuanian nationalist movement in 1991, Maskhadov became the Chief of Staff for the Chechen army."
Lithuanian nationalist movement was not forced to "end". It ended after Lithuania become independed state. Besides, seems like Maskhadov was not involved in 1991 events, although he served at the time in Lithuania.
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Nor this is quite accurate: 
"Maskhadov's attempts to stifle Wahhabism and other fundamentalist Muslim groups, coupled with his inability to keep Chechens from trying to drive Russians out of neighboring Dagestan, made him appear incompetent and incapable of controlling his country."
It's documented that Russian prepared in advance for the invasion (see the link, and 1999 messages there) LIST, and also there are grounds to assume that Basayev's people were just lured to action in order to justify the invasion that developed into open warfare, called the Chechen war two.
Also there are grounds to assume that Maskhadov is pretty well controlling his country in spite of alleged 80 000 or even 300 000 foreign troops in its territory. --BIR 11:29, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: From the article: "Aslan Alivitch Maskhadov (September 21, 1951 - March 8, 2005) was a ... Early life - Maskhadov was born in Kazakhstan in 1957 ..."
Which one is correct year? I tried various news reports of his death but none I read mentioned his birth year. —mikko (speak) 17:55, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake. It's definitely 1951 (see http://www.chechnya-mfa.info/bio/president.htm ). -- ChrisO 18:09, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth year? 

message: His middle name, Алиевич in Russian, is pronounced "Aliyevi(t)ch", not "Alivitch" --193.2.136.41 05:46, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I've corrected that. -- ChrisO 08:32, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Middle" name 

message: "Reportedly killed"? This should be edited because there is no proof to the contrary. Neither the Russian nor the separatists sides ever attempted to deny that Maskhadov was killed. Kazak 02:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reported death? 

message: The source link does not exist and although there are other mentionings online that Maskhadov took part in the mentioned events, none of them are based on real documents; it was so that somebody decided that he must have taken part in the events just because he served at Vilnius at the time and thus the hoax started - it continues to be repeated in many biographies, including pro-Maskhadov ones. A version of this hoax is an urban legend which states that Maskhadov got immidietly promoted in rank from captain to colonel (or general) for the participation in the events; in addition to these hoaxes there as well exists another hoax which claims that Maskhadov was ordered to participate in the events but refused to do so (usually this hoax is being said by the supporters of Maskhadov, while the beforementioned one - by people who do not support Maskhadov). Investigations were done by journalists several times but neither hoax was confirmed anyhow, so it turns out that Maskhadov neither received orders to participate in the events nor did he participate in them; after all, he was in rockets and artillery section and not all Soviet troops partitioned in Vilnius took part in the events. I can give links to the articles about such investingations, if you understand Lithuanian they will be useful. 193.219.141.198 09:02, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vilnius 

message: I deleted the section about Bush not naming Maskhadov, because it is not pertinent or sourced.
Epsoul 00:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit 

message: If we want a better fair-use picture of him as he looked not long before his death, there's one at the end of the link. --Estrellador* 20:26, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New picture 

message: Anonims add different complicated Arabic-sounded names for Maskhadov. I think this should be sourced, otherwise it is an original research. Of particular concern for me is the part "Ibn Alievich". The -ich suffix is a Russian form for patronimic it means son of Ali. The Arabic Ibn means exactly the same. I guess he might be either "Ibn Ali" or "Alievich" but Ibn Alievich is simply wrong. I also not sure that the Arabic names are appropriate for a Chechen leader (Russian names are somehow appropriate since most of his life he was a Russian military officer). Alex Bakharev 05:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  I see little point in adding all the formal names unless they really are commonly used and can be cited in some official text (not just some random forum).—Perceval 05:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, same problem with Doku Umarov.—Perceval 05:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: http://eng.kavkaz.memo.ru/newstext/engnews/id/1188808.html --84.234.60.154 10:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All-European action for giving out Maskhadov's body to his relatives for burial 

message: Does anyone know when exactly that picture of Aslan and Shamil was taken? I'm wondering if it was before or after the Beslan massacre. Aslan often said that he was against the killing of innocent life and that Shamil should be put to trial for Beslan, however it doesn't seem like there's any tension between the two of them if that picture was taken after Beslan.
:I have no idea about the exact date. The picture is completely unsourced. I also found this and this undated photos, and also this which I believe is from the first war. --HanzoHattori (talk) 01:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it's quite easy to determine. On Kavkazcenter it said the picture was during the holy month of Ramadan of 2004. However, I'm not sure if the date of Ramadan is the same in every country.77.250.171.134 (talk) 22:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: KC isn't exactly what I'd call a perfect source. --HanzoHattori (talk) 23:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: KC doesnt even say from when that picture is, nm - PietervHuis (talk) 16:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maskhadov and Basayev 

message: Shouldn't Category:Chechen Sufis be better? 
I also have problems to classify many many people. For example, Basayev was often said to be a Sufi, and then people were saying he's a "Wahhabi". I guess I'd be sure only of Maskhadov and the Kadyrovs... despite the republic being supposedly so-Sufi. --84.234.60.154 (talk) 16:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Russian Sufis 

message: 1998 declaratiion of war on the USA and all that. --84.234.60.154 (talk) 11:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did an artiucle on [[Vakha Arsanov]] 

message: There's a note about "half a million people internally displaced" (number 4, at the moment i'm writing) that refers to the Litvininko killing. Is there a way to find out what was the correct reference? --Marcozec (talk) 15:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong reference about

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