Talk:Offside (association football)

message: The formulation "A player is in an offside position if ... There are two or more opposing players between him and the opposing goal line" gets the rule exactly backwards. What would be the best way to invert this clause so that the entire paragraph can still be understood?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.a.foth (talk • contribs) 18:21, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Backwards logic

message: I've removed the following:
Appears to be a WP:SYNTH possible situation in which the laws apply; in any case, no source to show where this situation is addressed specifically.  I've replaced it with an interpretation of the current laws, by adding "at the moment the ball touches or is played by the player's team" to an earlier part of the explanation.
The source is a dead link; I don't see anything about "does not possess the ball or is not the most recent player on his team to play the ball" in Law 11 in the 2014/2015 Laws of the Game; indeed, Law 11 seems to contradict "most recent player on his team" by saying that any player on his team can be the most recent player with the ball when an offside happens.  I've removed that phrase and sourced the rest to the 2014/2015 rules.  Anyone have a different interpretation?
Neither book-numbered page 130 (PDF page 128) nor PDF page 128 (book-numbered 130) of this PDF deal with offside; one deals with the corner arc, and the other begins the organizational rules of the IFAB.  I can't find this phrasing in either those 2009/2010 Laws or the 2014/2015 Laws.  Page 109 of the 2014/2015 Laws says: "Any defending player leaving the field of play for any reason without the referee’s permission shall be considered to be on his own goal line or touch line for the purposes of offside until the next stoppage in play."  Per WP:PROVEIT, I've removed it until someone can show a citation specific enough to be verifiable.
I've added citations to the current FIFA Laws for each statement I could identify, and I've also added  tags to a few other things that I couldn't identify.  Editors should remember that the rule for including a claim in a Wikipedia article isn't whether the editor and his friends have always thought a certain way; it's whether each interpretation and opinion about the rule can be sourced back to specific verifiable reliable sources for that interpretation or synthesis. --Closeapple (talk) 07:04, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  June 2015 cleanup 

message: article states offside rules were different in history. can someone upload them explained in a picture/diagram? or where can we find their pictures, if you know share the link --Sir artur (talk) 08:46, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  pictures of previous offside positions 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Over the course of a couple of days, I have tried to add and update as many reference sources as I could (mostly, updating references to the Laws of the Game to the 2017-18 edition). I also modified several sections of the article in an attempt to make them match more closely with the provisions in the Laws and removed some wording that was not supported by anything in the Laws. User:GroveWanderer (talk) 03:30, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  2017 Cleanup and Reference source updates 

message: I sit on the fringe of soccer, with an interest in the game, but not an obsession. I admit to having given up on the offside rule ages ago, leaving it to the experts. But today I thought I'd have another go at understanding it. 
I hit my first hurdle with "...in the opponents' half of the pitch, and closer to the opponents' goal line". Now, in life in general, a goal is something I aim to get to. It seems that's not the case is soccer. Apparently I aim at my opponents' goal. Weird. Maybe that needs to be explained to readers of soccer articles at some point. How did the language get so screwed up in soccer? HiLo48 (talk) 23:08, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You try to defend your goal, like in a war you defend your flag or capital from the enemies. :) It's the same in other sports, isn't it?  Ice hockey, handball, bandy, volleyball, basketball, tennis ... you have your own half, from which you move the ball to the other team's half where you try to score it.  At least in Swedish you talk about scoring "own goals" in all similar sports. Fomalhaut76 (talk) 18:53, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whose goal is it anyway? 

message: What is the purpose of the rule? How would the game be harmed if this rule was not part of the game? 70.169.159.48 (talk) 07:57, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a shame this has received no answer. The article doesn't explain it. HiLo48 (talk) 23:06, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I added a short paragraph on motivation. Maybe someone can finde more sources and extend it. Sebastian (talk) 09:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

text: A usual misunderstanding is that there would be more offensive play and more goals if the offside rule were to be eliminated.  Probably it would not be so.  Without an offside rule, each team would be forced to let a few defenders stay behind and not take part in an attack.  Thanks to the offside rule, there is an incentive for the teams to involve more players in the attack.  (This I have read somewhere, and it totally makes sense.)  Fomalhaut76 (talk) 18:57, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the purpose of the rule? 

message: without ANY defendant the goal is just an open box with a net. its "no sport" to make the ball enter the goal without any person to block that ball. so its "off" when there is no defendant between the attacking player to bal to goal line. is that fair game ??  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.149.83.125 (talk) 20:04, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: open goal