Talk:Chronological snobbery

message: What do you call it when someone assumes that older things are better?  Does that fallacy have a name of its own?  I ask only because it seems to be more common than the subject of this article but that is just a guess on my part.  Boris B 07:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe "appeal to tradition"?  David Bergan 04:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What if it isn't things that are done now, but in some forgotten Golden Age?  Like the way in fantasy books, all the best weapons and armor were forged in the distant past, when everyone was good and noble and the world should try and get back to that... Thanos6 06:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be Romanticism. (I'd know, since I am one.) :) Jrbaker (talk) 21:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

text: This fallacy falls in the category argumentum ad novitatem, appeal to novelty, so the opposite would indeed be argumentum ad antiquitatem, appeal to tradition. 108.171.135.185 (talk) 12:36, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name for the opposite fallacy? 

message: I've seen this idea referred to as the "Your Ancestors Were Dummies" theory, usually in essays debunking crackpot archaeology. Perhaps the two concepts could be included in the one article? Rhialto (talk) 12:34, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your Ancestors Were Dummies 

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message: I wonder if pervasive pessimism about the future should also be analysed as a bias in the vein of chronological snobbery and presentism. Literally speaking, after all, presentism is a bias towards the present, and that can include the belief that the present is not only better than the past, but also better than the future, and that the people of the present are superior to either. Idiocracy-style cultural pessimism that warns that in the future people will inevitably turn more and more stupid (which is often combined with some nasty ageist, classist, racist, ableist and eugenic thought) is typical of this tendency. This means that presentism can cover not only Whig history, but also "decadence"/"decay"-style narratives where everything is getting worse and past progress is being squandered ("young people these days, I fear for the future"). Literally speaking, in presentism the "Golden Age" must be the present, but more usually it is the period when one has grown up (childhood/youth; i. e., temporal nostalgia, and often refusal to acknowledge that things change and it's not all negative). This is evidently different from decadence narratives that place the Golden Age in some distant or vaguely circumscribed past that the subject never personally experienced. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:41, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presentism and pessimism about the future