Talk:Jasper

message: IMO this article should be moved to Jasper (mineral), and Jasper (name) be moved here instead since that is the original meaning which all the other meanings derive from (including this mineral). /Jebur 19:37, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: The information in the historical section only mentions references in Western civilization, and most particularly to Judeo-Christianity. If this is going to be here, references besides the Holy Bible should be used and there should be more information from eastern cultures. Shadowin 18:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical

message: Wikipedia article states:
:"The name means "spotted or speckled stone", and is derived from Greek iaspis, (feminine noun)[3] via a Semitic language (cf. Hebrew yashepheh, Akkadian yashupu), ultimately from Persian yashp."
:That truly is a bold statement. I have not seen Wikipedia's assertion validated anywhere other than in the notorious 'Online Etymological Dictionary'. I have not seen this etymology cited in reputable dictionaries and etymological dictionaries.
:The Akkadian language was already in serious decline, if not de-facto extinct as a spoken language, having given way to Aramaic, long before the dominance of the Persian empire over the Middle East. The suggestion that Akkadian language adopted words from Persian looks very suspect. A second point render's Wikipedia's proposed etymology virtually impossible.
:The Hebrew word 'yashepheh', which stands for one of the stones in the High Priest's breastplate, is used in one of the oldest parts of the Hebrew Bible, i.e. the Book of Exodus, which long predates the Persian era. This word is generally traced by scholars of ancient Hebrew to a root meaning "to polish" or "to be smooth". Presumably, this could have been some ancient Semitic root shared as a cognate by Akkadian. The name could then have entered Greek via a Semitic-speaking culture with which they had contact since time immemorial, e.g. Phoenician. This looks much more probable than what has been cited in this article. 
:The personal name 'Jasper' has been ascribed to a Persian origin, but not relating to the name for a stone.
:—Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.68.95.65 (talk) 18:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unfounded etymology for 'jasper' 

message: It says in the lead:
"Jasper, a form of Chalcedony, is an opaque, impure variety of silica, usually red, yellow, brown or green in color... Jasper is basically chert which owes its red color to iron(III) inclusions."
First of all, is it chalcedony or chert? and secondly, if red jasper owes its red colour to iron inclusions what about the yellow brown and green varities? It says here that "Jasper exhibits various colors, but chiefly brick red to brownish red. It owes its color to admixed hematite, but when it occurs with clay admixed, the color is a yellowish white or gray, or with goethite, a brown or yellow. Often jasper is multi-colored." I would add something in but I don't think that The Encyclopedia of Gems at allthatgifts.com is a particularly reliable source. Richerman (talk) 14:14, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with the lead paragraph 

message: There is a good site at World of Jaspers would someone more competent care to add that as a reference?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.226.36.88 (talk) 16:40, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Reference 

message: Upon recent confirmation of our italian expert we discovered a large reserve of red jasper, we are a company which own and operate granite quarries in Egypt, we found this very hard material which we couldn't cut like marble or granite and when we ask for advise from a geologist he identified it as red jasper.  Egyptian market is not familiar with this material so we ask advise from all people to give us more information about presenting this material in most proper way to the world.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.192.39.227 (talk) 20:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest you should try the links in the article - how about contacting someone from the International Colored Gemstone Association here? If they can't help you they should know someone who can. Richerman (talk) 12:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  red jasper found 

message: Is there any clear distinction between these three types of stone?  They are all classified by the US Geological Survey as varieties of Chalcedony, but apart from (maybe) differences of color it is not clear to me whether there is any physical or chemical difference between them. Dealers in gems and decorative stones seem to be equally confused, and what looks like the same material (e.g. black banded with white) may be described under all three labels.109.158.131.117 (talk) 15:23, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jasper v Agate v Onyx 

message: Hi, there,
WHY can I NOT see ANY reference to the following types of Jasper: Kambaba jasper, Picture Jasper; Mosaic jasper, Burro Creel jasper; Succor Creek Jasper; Cherry Creek jasper, Willow Creek jasper, Picasso jasper; Sea-Sediment/Ocean Jasper; Pilbara jasper, Morrisonite jasper (aka: Morrisonite); Red Net jasper, Red Bird's Eye japser, Cobra jasper. Zebra Japser, Leopaed Skin jasper; Snake-Skin jasper, Frog-Skin jasper, Panther jasper, Imperial Plume jasper, Bumble Bee Japer, Butterfly jasper, Ghost Eye's jasper, Lansdscape japser, Mexican Laguna jasper, Dalmation jasper, Imperial jasper, Peanut Wood jasper, Rosette japser, Plychrome/Desert jasper, Porcelain jasper, Noreena jasper, Conquina jasper, Sonora jasper, Mexican Bird's Eye jasper, Dinosaur Bone jasper. Starburst jasper, Sunflower jasper, Chrysanthemum jasper, Lemon jasper, Durango jasper, Owyhee jasper, Chohua jasper, Lilly Pond Jasper, Galaxy jasper, Leaf jasper/Silver Leaf jasper, Bruno jasper, Polka Dot jasper, Chinese Painting jasper, Heena jasper, Coffee Bean jasper, Pinolith jasper, Bruneau ("Bruno") jasper, Wava jasper..., etc.., etc..., WHY??? Is this considered to be "too of a thorough" coverage of this quartz/mineral type to list/include...??? Sorry, but, current Wikepedia's entry for Jasper's kinds (various names) appears to be a pretty FAR CRY from where itis supposed to be...! See some part-here: http://www.minerals.net/gemstone/jasper_gemstone.aspx  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AK63 (talk • contribs) 07:40, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the jasper variety names are commercial/rock shop names - many simply promoting specific localities. The advertisement heavy minerals.net website rather fails WP:reliable sources. Vsmith (talk) 13:54, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

text: Please don't keep modifying your post to include more commercial names. If you feel any of the above names are useful for the article, then provide WP:reliable sources to support their inclusion. (Note - I'm hatting the following banter as irrelevant to article improvement; take it to user talk.) Vsmith (talk) 14:35, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: And PLEASE do not SHOUT on TALK PAGES. It is VERY DISRESPECTFUL to OTHER EDITORS as it suggests they are SOMEWHAT STUPID. Also it makes your posts DIFFICULT TO READ - see WP:SHOUT. Richerman   (talk) 08:58, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

text: There are actually good reasons for not using capitals. First of all it makes the text difficult to read (see:All caps#Readability) and secondly it makes you come across as aggressive, patronising and bombastic.  . Of course, if you don't agree you can carry on using capitals as much as you like, in the same way as you can ignore any other social convention, but it will irritate a lot of people and you are less likely to be taken seriously or to have your concerns addressed. And yes, there are other ways of emphasizing text: see   Richerman   (talk) 09:51, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe your link regarding readability refers to all caps, not intermittently used capitals for emphasis. It seems possible that intermittent capitals improve readability by helping pick out the most important words. Siuenti (talk) 11:37, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: So do you think that "WHY can I NOT see ANY reference to the following types of Jasper...WHY???" is easier to read than "Why can I not see any reference to the following types of Jasper...?" The capitalisation just makes what is a rather aggressive and rude question to begin with, seem even more rude and aggressive. Richerman   (talk) 11:58, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other (unnamed/unlisted) types of jasper  

message: Substituted at 19:36, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: An entry in List of colors: A–F contained a link to this page.
The entry is :
* Jasper
I don't see any evidence that this color is discussed in this article and plan to delete it from the list per this discussion: Talk:List_of_colors#New_approach_to_review_of_entries
If someone decides that this color should have a section in this article and it is added, I would appreciate a ping.--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:44, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible removal from list