Talk:Human rights in Western New Guinea

message: Titles added to clarify page. Statement: Original article written 17/Apr edited by Daeron, Tannin, Wik (marked as Minor edit he re-wrote the introduction 18/Apr),  Daeron, Roisterer, Wik on 24/Apr MOVED article about reported incidents consistant with those the Yale Genocide Document lists as creating such an environment -to- "Attacks in West New Guinea" which would be a different but overlapping subject. Since then Wik has deleted and replaced the contents of the current article some ten times.Daeron 07:04, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: earlier comments

message: I think a separate article is required for listing known accounts of state sponsored homicide of Papuans in West Papua, or which ever name Indonesia wishes to call the country this month.
I have looked at Mass_killings and List_of_massacres but the Papuan list would swamp these in number of incidents; likewise their inclusion in the 'Papua' article would make it totally too large in my opinion. I therefore think a separate listing which the other articles can point to would provide the optimal balance. I've written off-line a revised history section for 'Papua' but at ten paragraphs I'm already concerned about size.
The first set of references would be the reports currently available at http://www.westpapua.net/cases/hr/report1/ and the Yale report on the genocide. It must be respected that due to the jungle nature of the country, that Indonesia has closed borders around it and does not allow free journalism; that any events without survivors can not be reported, and those that are normally take a number of months to get out of West Papua. It is the nature of scenes of genocide that the offending authorities do not admit actions and do not provide photographs nor written accounts of their killings. As such one must weigh the credibility of various witness accounts for oneself. Daeron 20:11, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it be an idea to put the listing in a table format? Date, Number, details.Daeron 22:18, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial thoughts before writing page

message: Tannin changed the title from Papuan Genocide to West Papuan Genocide. Daeron agreed it was good idea to clarify that the Yale University Study only refers to issues happening on the Western half of Papua the Island; or as the local population and human rights NGO refer to the area, West Papua.Daeron 07:04, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to Tannin Name Change

message: Wik keeps deleting this article and replacing it with a REDIRECT to his article about some other subject. Daeron 07:04, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Issue

message: This is the Talk page for West Papuan Genocide - a genuine article about a a genuine and extensive situation in a region the report and others call West Papua; which is also the common english name for the region in question (see discussion bottom of Talk:West Papua). Some persons took objection to any mention of the term West Papua, and began an edit over the article and removing any occurrance of the term in Wikipedia.
I have requested the article Human rights violations in western New Guinea be deleted so that Wik will STOP replacing this article with a REDIRECT to that other article.Daeron 11:36, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Speedy Deletion Request

message: Look, if you want to move the article, put in a request for a page move and see what the consensus is.  Quit pulling a cut and paste move. john k 16:57, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Even the "human rights violations..." is POV title. The article should have a neutral title, like "Human rights in ..." OneGuy 01:30, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: We should have NPOV title. You can discuss your POV in the article, but don't move the POV to the title OneGuy 09:51, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV Title

message: This article has serious issues -so still a stub - please help cleanupSatuSuro 07:49, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment