Talk:Bearded Collie

message: I removed the text saying the Komondor and the OES are part of the beardies' ancestry, since there's little or no evidence to support that.;Carl
Correct to remove these as it has been proven that Beardies are not related to either.  In fact the Beardie is free from the MDR1 gene which the OES carries - clear proof they are not related.  I don't believe the Komondor is MDR1 but if you go back to www.bcpedigree.se website you can track almost every beardie breed since WW2
After going back over the structure and size of the Komondor I would have to say it would have been an unlikely candidate for a hybridization with a Beardie.  Back "in the old days" stud masters, who were generally horse, sheep or cattle men with a long history of breeding animals, would have been consulted to determine a best match.  If you look at the old stud master histories they generally relied on phenotypical matches (phenotype being the visible manifestation of genetic coding as opposed to genetype which is the genetic coding its'self).  The Komondor is a poor phenotype match as it's size is almost twice that of the Beardie.  It takes a long time, and a lot of work to hybridise phenotypical mis-matches. With 1 allele from each parent you will always have divergence from the preferred phenotype so you need to only be breeding from those animals which exhibit the preferred phenotype and even then you will not be guaranteed of the preferred phenotype in any litter. Essentially breeding from phenotypical mis-matches could theoretically result in an animal in which one half looks like one breed and the other half likes like the other.  Using phenotypically similar animals reduces the divergence or variance in the litters.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.170.211.12 (talk) 11:16, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Ancestry

message: This looks like a mistake: "Hairy Mou ed Collie" ;Bear 20:01, 2004 Oct 23 (UTC)
:It's not. It's a really old term for "hairy-mouthed Collie." You were right to add it -- it is an old name for the Beardie. --my3seadogs 18:44, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Names

message: Did a bit of editing on this page as it was a bit bare. Going to do some research tonight on general health concerns, and also adding a few pictures of my own. Any Beardie people, please feel free to contribute! -- User:iiartisanii 14/march/07
:I added some information from the site :www.dog-dna.com/breeds/Bearded-Collie.php
:I added about weight and height, but feel free to change it as that was the only site I could find with that information, so it may be wrong.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misty7737 (talk • contribs) 17:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Help!

message: Tried to make this section more encyclopedic and removed the "story" tag.  As a copy editor with only a general knowledge of dogs, I don't understand this sentence at the end of the "Working Life" section:
"Very few beardies show "eye" when working, most are quite upright".
...so any clarification would be welcome. Wi2g 23:33, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: History, etc.

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