Talk:Geographical distribution of Russian speakers

message: This map mixes up countries with no data and countries in the lowest category. This results in several errors, for example in the case of Germany where much more than 1% of the population speak Russian.
I think the map should be removed for this reason.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:65:E824:AA34:C987:63D1:14D:9128 (talk) 08:07, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: For everyone's information, this is the map we are talking about: :File:Proportion of Russian speakers by country in 2014 (0-50% gradation).svg (also shown on the right here).  you created and added this map on 27 November 2017, could you clarify what data you used to create this map? All you state in the description is the following: "Data source: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Geographical_distribution_of_Russian_speakers&oldid=812198115#Statistics". This is WP:CIRC. Moreover, the source most commonly used for these data is https://web.archive.org/web/20160519181010/http://data.un.org/Data.aspx?d=POP&f=tableCode%3A27%3BareaCode%3A0%3BsexCode%3A0&c=2%2C3%2C5%2C7%2C9%2C11%2C13%2C14%2C15&s=_vcvv2%3Aasc%2C_countryEnglishNameOrderBy%3Aasc%2CrefYear%3Adesc&v=1 (current page: http://data.un.org/Data.aspx?d=POP&f=tableCode%3a27%3bareaCode%3a0%3bsexCode%3a0&c=2,3,5,7,9,11,13,14,15&s=_vcvv2:asc,_countryEnglishNameOrderBy:asc,refYear:desc&v=1), which does not clearly show the data visualised, but requires the reader to first figure out how the website works and then to find the specific data. Moreover, contrary to what the title claims, these data aren't (all) from 2014, but from a wide range of years, varying from 2001 to 2017. The sources do not indicate their methodologies, but the mere fact that there are multiple sources covering a range of years (without clarification or warning in the description) means that this presentation violates WP:CALC ("Comparisons of statistics present particular difficulties. Editors should not compare statistics from sources that use different methodologies.") and thus constitutes original research. Combined with the comment made above about 'mix[ing] up countries with no data and countries in the lowest category', I support the proposal to remove the map, and will carry it out. I'll add  templates to the UNdata source as well. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:35, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The source is the UN data website for most of them. If you want to question the accuracy of specific figures - you're welcome to, but tagging them all with 'better source needed' doesn't make the article any better.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 07:26, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Each of the specific figures I've tagged is currently inaccessible, so unless they can be made easily accessible for verification by readers and users, there is no way we can rely on the accuracy of the figures provided. I should point out that this problem exists for any online statistics source which requires user imput to show specific data, and doesn't change the URL in the process. The best kind of sources for checking statistics tend to be PDF files, or photocopies of printed books (e.g. Google Books), which show static demographic information about a given year in a clearly defined area and population. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:09, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if you're on mobile, but from desktop I can access them just fine - hit the link and use the interface to query the figures. Even if you can't personally see them, WP:SOURCEACCESS is pretty explicit in saying "Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access".--eh bien mon prince (talk) 08:18, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Misleading map

message: This page could use a definition of what derussification is, not just information on one country's derussification...
--Alynna 16:23, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yay, it's been done.  Thanks. --Alynna 04:58, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
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message: The article listed number of random Ukrainian cities as "subnational territories". The populated places in Ukraine are not subnational territories per se, but rather a subregional territories for the most part, first of all. Second, the article did not list any cities of the Central Asia that predominantly Russophone and did not claim those cities as "subnational territories", the same goes for the city of Narva in Estonia as well as several other instances where Russian language is pretty common and traditional form of communication. Yet the article listed just random cities out of Ukraine with the ongoing Russian invasion without explaining the purpose for listing. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:09, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The article also does not list any subnational territories nor populated places of the Russian Federation for any reason. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:13, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Why subnational territories include any territories outside of the Russian Federation only? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:15, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subnational territories 

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message: I wanted to know the countries with the largest concentration of Russian speakers given the current conflict. 68.197.111.251 (talk) 20:04, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian speaking countries