Talk:Manis Friedman

message: In order to avoid cluttering Wikipedia with a biased perspective, someone else should probably mention how he told a victim of sexual abuse to "get over it" and that "everyone gets abused" and that not saying ALAMICKHKHKHYUH was worse than BEING HORRIFICALLY AND VIOLENTLY SEXUALLY ABUSED!!!!!
The end.208.102.160.123 (talk) 23:46, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on sexual abuse

message: Wikipedia is meant as a NEUTRAL ENCYCLOPEDIA, meant for factual information. Please do not turn this article into some kind of nearly commercial article. The text looked like it was taken straight from his own website, or something like that. I edited things some, deleted a few phrases which were merely irrelevant praise for the rav, and will try to find some time to do more work on it in the future. Thank you. --Daniel575 23:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Promotion

message: I just looked at this article and noticed that it has severe problems with favorably biased language, a promotional tone, and a complete lack of sources. Additionally, the article says little on his views and teachings, which seems to be a significant omission.
I'm not going to work too much on the article now, as I am admittedly biased by having just read his response to the question, "How should Jews treat their Arab neighbors?" (near the bottom of the page). To quote: "The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way:  Destroy their holy sites.  Kill men, women and children (and cattle)." It seems the article should at least mention this and his other notable statements, in a neutral manner of course.
As a start, the whole article needs to be neutrally reworded and properly sourced.
As I was typing this, I noticed that Friedman's response was quoted in the article in a past revision, but had been removed. I've restored it, but that section could still use more detail. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 01:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the npov tag after carefuly checking over the article twice with a few months in between.  If you feel the tag should be reinstated, please do so and explain here. Joe407 (talk) 12:51, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately five years later we are back to square one - all your work from 2009 is was undone. The controversial phrase is again being misquoted and without his response. I am re-thinking if the entire controversy section should be removed do to all the POV and bias editing. Check what I wrote later in this talk page before noticing this conversation.Caseeart (talk) 05:48, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Various neutrality problems with the article 

message: Do we need a section detailing what each of his children are doing?  I cleaned it up a bit but still...
Thoughts? Joe407 (talk) 05:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Danyafree, thank you for explaining the section blanking on the talk page. Joe407 (talk) 17:29, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family 

message: I'm not directly making accusations, but User:Veronika53 and User:Vunderbahr have only edited this page, and are pushing some sort of agenda aimed in the direction of removing or minimizing this negative blight upon Friedman's character. Vunderbahr's edits are particularly notable.208.102.160.123 (talk) 23:30, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't appreciate your accusing me of sock puppetry. For the record, you have wrongfully accused me of having three user accounts. Veronika53 (talk) 12:54, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sockpuppetry

message: Please clearly explain your edits in the future. Also, please refrain from edit wars and nast comments on the talk page to other editor. Generally, a page's content is decided by 1) reliable secondary sources 2) consensus of other editors 3) NPOV. You seem to be breaching all of the above, plus more errors as already pointed pointed out by myself and other editors on the talk page. Veronika53 (talk) 19:07, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  User 208.102.160.123 

message: I would like to thank user 208.102.160.123, an anonymous user who has been involved in bias edit wars over the past few weeks, for admitting that he has come to Wikipedia with an agenda. He has also said that he would now stop his behavior, and I hope he actually will. In a message that he wrote on my talk page on 23:09, 21 February 2013, he wrote, "You win. I'm done fighting with you. Congratulations!". Honestly, I'm not sure what fight there was, or what I did, as most of the edits were edited by other users who were just trying to act in accordance with the Wikipedia standards. P.S. I would also like to point this to the attention of other users and editors or administrators who will be looking into this page, including perhaps User:HJ Mitchell and User:Wifione. Veronika53 (talk) 20:42, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: User 208.102.160.123 admitted to having an agenda

message: A review of WP:QUOTE might be in order. Regardless of whether or not a source is reliable or warrants inclusion, it is important to give direct quotes proper attribution. Saying that "His remarks were reprehensibly callous and chillingly dismissive -- especially to those still struggling with an aftermath of depression, fear, feelings of worthlessness and sometimes even suicide, as well as mourning the loss of a precious and fundamental part of their psyches and souls." without giving attribution to the author, Chaim Levin, is misrepresenting both Wikipedia, and Chaim Levin. Grayfell (talk) 22:01, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing quotations 

message: I've removed and blanked out large portions of controversial material. I'll encourage any editor wishing to reinclude the same to first read EXCEPTIONAL and BLPPRIMARY. This a non-negotiable policy of Wikipedia. If you wish to include exceptional material like controversies, get multiple secondary sources. Opinions/Editorials/Blogs are primary sources and unacceptable in such situations, unless they are used to simply augment the secondary sources. Please do not include the controversy section or controversial statements again unless you have secondary sources ready. Please do contact me on my talk page in case you need any assistance in understanding how to include such statements. Thanks.  Wifione Message 18:23, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You had no right to do so. You came in with no knowledge of understanding of the matter at hand, nor any knowledge of the Yiddish-English pidgin being used in the sources, and heavy-handedly removed several sections of material. You have since ignored any requests for clarification on your talk page. 208.102.160.123 (talk) 15:54, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of controversial material 

message: Why was this section removed? The article along with numerous responses can be found in moment magazine, and the event was discussed in numerous publications of note, including JTA and haaretz http://www.haaretz.com/news/chabad-rabbi-jews-should-kill-arab-men-women-and-children-during-war-1.277616Oysvorf (talk) 07:39, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of moment magazine event section. 

message: Once again, I am removing the statement about Davidson's assessment about the magnitude of Friedman's impact. Do not replace it without providing a page number, as I have read the book, and have not noticed any quantitative discussion of the like. I am kindly requesting that Veronika53 quit evading discussion and ignoring the sources.Oysvorf (talk) 09:20, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lynn Davidson's ethnography. 

message: Friedman is still listed as a Chabad Shaliach at https://www.chabad.org/jewish-centers/118004/West-S-Paul/Yeshivah-for-Beginners-Women/Bais-Chana. News article is inaccurate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helpfulguy101 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: correct. will be updating Helpfulguy101 (talk) 00:25, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revocation 

message: I have striped the article of large sections the have no place in a Wiki article.
They were written by a person who hase a hate agenda against Mr M Friedman. The should be kept on ones own Blog and have no place on a Wiki article.
109.158.27.169 (talk) 12:40, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what you mean. Perhaps someone can clarify why wikipedia tends to be this way, which exact confluence of the rules and practices lead to there being a preponderance of biographical articles where there is a disproportionate amount of information about the controversies of the person? It almost seems that this entire page was put up with an agenda to defame the Rabbi. Given the man has been in the public sphere for several decades, has written several books, speaks about a lot of topics, has been involved in a lot of programs, events and much more, has huge following people who would describe him positively and having had a positive impact on their lives, apart from the basics, the entire article seems to only discuss things that are deemed his controversies? If one were to edit the article to try and change this, it would be immediately changed back, with reprimands and calls for protected edits etc. This isn't just here, I see it all over wikipedia. There's always some rule or standard practice or something quoted in the reprimander's response. It's why I don't bother donating to wikipedia. It seems the rules are in favour of the bitter and angry, who like to use wikipedia as a weapon against those they dislike. Thankfully, it seems most people take it with a pinch of salt and see it as likely pettiness and wikipedia maintains its "encylopedia that can't be trusted for anything important" status. Such a shame81.106.120.36 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 21:36, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
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