Talk:Robert Spitzer (psychiatrist)

message: This article could do with some more information on Spitzer's study on ex-gays - or is that found on another page somewhere? David L Rattigan 08:54, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spitzer study

message: Initially, homosexuality was deviant according to Spitzer and his buddies--then they hold a vote in 1973, and magically, it's not.  Everything else in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders has been placed there by plebicite, as well.  His work is a comment on broad definitions of deviance, and little more.  The "statistics" are little more than a recording of the votes  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.44.224 (talk) 18:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: So Spitzer's Work Hinges of Votes Regarding Deviance?

message: The article reads, 'He was controversial in 1973 for arguing that homosexuality is not a clinical disorder.' There should be a better way of expressing this. Skoojal (talk) 01:52, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Reword article

message: So, B.A. Robinson from religioustolerance.org can be used to disprove the scientific value of Spitzer's paper, which, by the way, doens't conclude what this wiki article claims it concludes? Tijfo098 (talk) 01:01, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: have a look here -- Kim van der Linde at venus 02:43, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, if you play on that clip, you'll see exactly why I think the section as written portrays Spitzer in a false light. He isn't the anti-gay rights dude that one could easily conclude from reading his bio here. The section is not unlike a big pharma add: it states only things that are true, but omits others which are also true, and also important, with the ultimate goal of selling something. (Off topic, here's a deconstruction of an article---ad, really---in a pharma-sponsored publication. You may want to read just the 2nd to last paragraph if you're in a hurry.) I realize that the situation in this section may have been unintentional due the brevity of his bio here, but that doesn't change its nature. The recent version of this page that declared all his works incomplete except a preface he wrote for a book of another author, as well as declaring him as having practically disavowed the DSM makes me think the presentation of his position on homosexuality wasn't accidental either. I'll spend some time fixing it by adding the other issues. Tijfo098 (talk) 11:15, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Within the gay right circles, he is very much liked because he is very straight about what he actually thinks. The good thing about him as a researcher is that he actually does investigate what needs to be investigated, even when it is controversial. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 12:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I would propose that the following paragraphs be added to the "Views on Homosexuality" section.  Thoughts?
A 2001 Washington Post article indicates that Spitzer held 45-minute telephonic interviews with 200 people who claimed that their respective sexual orientations had changed from homosexual to heterosexual.  Spitzer said he “began his study as a skeptic,” but the study revealed that “66 percent of the men and 44 percent of the women had arrived at what [Spitzer] called good heterosexual functioning,” defined as “being in a sustained, loving heterosexual relationship within the past year, getting enough satisfaction from the emotional relationship with their partner to rate at least seven on a 10-point scale, having satisfying heterosexual sex at least monthly and never or rarely thinking of somebody of the same sex during heterosexual sex.”  Spitzer also found that “89 percent of men and 95 percent of women said they were bothered only slightly, or not at all, by unwanted homosexual feelings,” but that “only 11 percent of the men and 37 percent of the women reported a complete absence of homosexual indicators, including same-sex attraction.”  The Post reported that “[s]ome 43 percent of the sample had been referred to Spitzer by ‘ex-gay ministries,’” while “an additional 23 percent were referred by the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality.”  Spitzer has stated that his research "shows some people can change from gay to straight, and we ought to acknowledge that."   However, Spitzer has also stated repeatedly that he believes such change to be “rare.”[ http://www.truthwinsout.org/in-dr-robert-spitzers-own-words/]
In a 2005 interview, Spitzer stated that “[m]any colleagues were outraged” following the publication of the study.  Spitzer added that “[w]ithin the gay community, there was initially tremendous anger and feeling that I had betrayed them.”  When asked whether he would consider a follow-up study, Spitzer said no, and added that he felt “a little battle fatigue.”  While Spitzer has said that he has no way of knowing whether the study participants were being honest,[ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010509/aponline013921_000.htm] he has also indicated that he believed that the interviewees were being candid with him.  
184.74.22.161 (talk) 18:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No objection, so I will go ahead and add.184.74.22.161 (talk) 05:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Additions 

message: This piece from the New York Times suggests Dr. Spitzer is the father of modern psychiatry. Perhaps worth mentioning in the article? I also left a note at Talk:List of people considered father or mother of a scientific field. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:01, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Father of modern psychiatry" 

message: From Work On Homosexuality: 
"but that "only 11 percent of the men and 37 percent of the women reported a complete absence of homosexual indicators, including same-sex attraction."  Sounds to me like they're being pretty dam honest! If we accept that they're not being honest, we must then throw out every gay-affirming qualitative study that does not go deeper into the perceptions or self-reports of its subjects. -Dr.Surf.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.109.220.115 (talk) 08:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flaw in The Fatal Flaw in the Study – There was no way to judge the credibility of subject reports of change in sexual orientation 

message: The idea that homosexual practice is a perversion was stated with this wording by Sigmund Freud himself, the elimination of this behavior as an specific diagnosis was the consequence of the homosexual lobbying, they didn't like being considered sick persons, but a free choice for sex. Robert Spitzer and his wife Janet B Williams were part, along with Gerald Klerman and Myrna Weisman, of the Quality Assurance Team in the Alprazolam/Panic Attacks Clinical Trial sponsored by the Upjohn Company (Kalamazoo, MI) in the late 80's, visiting several countries in this frame; they wrote an specific version of the SCID for use within this study.--Jgrosay (talk) 13:22, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Some remarks

message: the section is a parade example of undueness:
ONE sentence is devoted to his major achievemnet, de-pychiatrizing homosexuality!
The rest (90%) is he said she said, tit for tat stuff on a study the man later regretted and tried to withdraw.
This is ludicrous and should be edited heavily - --Wuerzele (talk) 21:51, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  on homosexuality 

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message: Usually people with the surname "Spitzer" are Jewish, or have Jewish ancestry, for example, former governor of New York, Eliot Spitzer. If this is the case for Robert Spitzer, it should be mentioned in the body of the article. 2601:8C:4581:1150:31A3:755B:44B6:FF04 (talk) 00:01, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish ancestry?