Talk:Csángós

message: I was not able to find this piece of information in the given source - https://web.archive.org/web/20051217084748/http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/AdoptedText/TA01/EREC1521.htm
If there are not objects, I propose the removal of this estimation. 82.78.61.124 (talk) 08:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It is on the fourth point of the document. Super Ψ Dro 11:42, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The number says of those who still spoke Hungarian between 1992-1996 in Moldavia (without some Hungarians in cities and other places with another origins), information from the Council of Europe based on the research of Vilmos Tánczos. The number of people of Csango origin is higher. So please correct and don't modifiy without informing yourself about the subject.--Kun Kipcsak (talk) 14:46, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  60,000-70,000 Csangos (maximum estimates) 

message: , as far as I know, that the Székelys are an originally Turkic nation is not universally accepted in academics. Thus, even if there might be some authors supporting this, they shouldn't be given more weight than those saying they weren't Turkic. Super Ψ Dro 09:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a tendency on the part of Hungarian and Romanian authors not to unnecessarily complicate the issue of Székelys origins and it is stated that they are simply Hungarian. But the situation is not unique: Hungary has many regions with populations of Turkic origin mixed with Hungarians and Indo-European people (Páloc, Kiskunsag, Nagykunsag and so on) but this is not emphasized in order not to make them "less Hungarian". The situation is different in the academic works, where the Hungarians and the Romanians affirm the Turkic origins of the Székelys. Perhaps it should be clarified that only in the works of popularizing history, for everyone's understanding, it is stated that the Székelys are just Hungarians.--Kun Kipcsak (talk) 13:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that this claim of the Székelys being widely accepted to be originally Turkic is also mentioned on Origin of the Székelys, page you haven't edited. Could you inform me about the theory that page mentions? I think I won't oppose the Székelys being labelled as Turkic but I'd like to be informed first. Also, why is this not mentioned more at the Székelys page? Super Ψ Dro 17:30, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit complicated and I don't know all the details either. I know the works written in English, Romanian and others translated from Hungarian into English. The papers in Hungarian contain several details in this regard. The idea in short would be that the Székelys are a mixed population, with several populations: the first layer of Avars, maybe also Slavs, over which the Khazars (Kavars) certainly settled. The Khazars were a mixed Eurasian population consisting of Turkic, Iranians (mostly Alans), Finno-Ugric people, Arabs (Semites), etc. When the Hungarians gained their independence in 830 from the Khazars, they took with them 3 tribes of Kavars (Turkic, Iranian, Finno-Ugric people) who led them to the Eastern Carpathians, to Transylvania. These Kavars are part of the ancestors of today's Székelys. But their classification as a Turkic population is not fully accepted due to those mixed origins. I mentioned, quoting others, the Székelys in the Turkic populations in the composition of the Csangos because those Székelys come from certain areas in Harghita County where the Turkic people settled. There are areas in Covasna County where Muslims also settled, but their origins are somewhat unknown, although it is known that many Turkic Khazars were also Muslims. There were also Jews, but it is not known for sure if the Kavars were Jewish and fled from the rest of the Shamanic Khazars or if the Shamanic Kavars fled from the Khazar Jews. This is what I am trying to write here: The Hungarian-Khazar War.--Kun Kipcsak (talk) 07:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. Thanks for your explanation. I'm still kind of skeptical since I haven't seen details like these in other pages at English Wikipedia, but since I am not any expert about the Székelys I'll let the text in. Super Ψ Dro 09:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you shouldn't just relate to the English Wikipedia on such a complicated and somehow controversial topic.--Kun Kipcsak (talk) 06:38, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkic Székelys 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. Discussion has found that English-language reliable sources are evenly split between the names, but  (emphasis in original at ). (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:41, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Csangos →  – Seems to be the correct name of this people. We already use diacritics for the article Székelys and would consider "Szekely" incorrect and fix it, so I don't see why this would be any different for the Csángós. Context for people without knowledge of the area: the Székelys and the Csángós are Hungarian subgroups outside Hungary, the first lives in Transylvania and the second in Moldavia, both in Romania (which is divided into three regions, the third being Wallachia). By the way, it isn't like Csangos is some kind of compromise for the Romanians, it is still pretty much the same name as the Hungarian one. For all of this, I see no reason for keeping this name without diacritics. For those wondering about what do reliable sources say, results are mixed . I see Csángós more often than Csangos though. Also note the category of this people uses diacritics. Super Ψ Dro 21:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 14 September 2021 

message: I propose merging Csángó Land into Csángós. The subject and the scope is basically the same. Csángó Land is the name given to the Moldavian area where most of the Csángós live, however it never was a political or administrative unit. It hasn't a specific history different of the rest of Western Moldavia. The phrases from the Csángó Land article refer to the Csángós as an ethnographic group, not to the region itself. The information from Csángó Land article mostly exist in the Csángós article. 
So there is large content overlap. Csángó Land is unlikely to be expanded in a different direction. 77wonders (talk) 06:59, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal