Talk:Youssef Nada

message: I replaced the section that said Nada was involved with German military intelligence and the Mufti. According to all government designations of Nada, he was born in 1931 which would have made him way too young to do anything in WWII. The idea that he was involved with German military intelligence got started by a French journalist who never referenced this allegation and Nada himself has correctly pointed out that he would have been too young. Lets stop this idea from going any further. Actually, Nada has discussed his childhood in some detail and, if I have the time, I will include some of this but for now I just put in his correct birth date and birthplace. I also deleted the reference to Biheiri as a principal of Al Taqwa because it is wrong; there never has been any connection from Al Taqwa to Biheiri other than possibly his being in Nada's address book.
Sgmiller 08:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was fast (and it seems you'r eright.)  What do you know about his early career with the Brotherhood?  There doesn't seem to be lot available on this guy. Whiskey Pete 01:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually there is quite a bit on him, but you have to know where to look. My problem is that I just don't have the time to work on WP which is unfortunate because anything to do with the Brotherhood is loaded with bad information, both from critics and supporters. It would be a full time job just to edit all the existing Brotherhood stuff on WP not to mention adding anything new. Maybe I can get back to this later but in the meantime, I will check on what you are doing to try and give you a "heads-up" on bad sources. Sorry I can't do more at the moment. Oh yes, the bad information about Nada and WW II came from Dollars for Terror by Richard Labeviere, a French journalist who seems to have been fed a bunch of bull by sources in Egypt. Avoid anything to do with this book.
Sgmiller 10:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsubstaniated Wehrmacht connections 

message: verbatim, ntil someone can clean it up / de-plagiarise it Whiskey Pete (talk) 19:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  moving disorganized section from main artcle over here 

message: On 19:54, 2 December 2007, anonymous user, posting from the interesting IP address 190-152.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch and speaking on behalf of an unspecified "we", wrote on the main page:
:"we can not understand the segnificanceof this story .Biheiri was not indicted and in this ref. we read a lot of news papers stories and articles . It could not be reliable if his case was closed without any indictement. All what was written is that in his notebook Nada name war there???"
The information about Nada's and Himmat's names appearing in Biheiri's notebook does appear to be reliable, and is significant due to other factors not mentioned, e.g. Biheiri's more substantiated affiliation with Yusuf_al-Qaradawi, one of al Taqwa's more interesting shareholders in the 1990s.  enough to warrant the clarification in the article.  If "you" (singular or plural) have any more information which will help clarify the presence (or lack of) a Biheri-Taqwa/Nada connection, feel free to contribute such. Whiskey Pete 20:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purported [[Soliman Biheiri]] connection 

message: I removed, and the reverted an editor (apparent SPA 85.2.23.101) who replaced, the references from several French-language websites that did not quite say what the Wiki article implied that they said. Instead of having a revert war, why don't we talk about what information is present in these refs that the editor feels is preferable to the clearer and less ambiguous English-language press release by the United Nations?  This article has been a minor battleground from time to time, and it really doesn't have to be. Ford MF (talk) 16:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it now.  That link did not immediately go to the part of the website that asserted this.  There's no reason for this info to go into the lede, however.  I've moved it down to the "Swiss & Italian Investigation" section.  Ford MF (talk) 17:47, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of non-English language refs from lede

message: I see someone added a request for "reliable sources", which I just removed.
This is an example of severe bias in the U.S. mainstream media.  This man had been exonerated by both Swiss *and* Italian governments, as-from 2007 (and as from September 2012, has been the celebrated winner of an international human rights court case in Strasbourg.  but as late as 2009, CBS named him in written media as being part of a "terrorist financial network". and CNN, in 2005, named him as part of the "terrorist money trail".
You see, here in Europe, the law states that you can't judge people on secret evidence.  It happens, but when the person or organization contests it, they win.
In the United States, there is a lower standard for justice than in Europe - at least in this area.  In the United States, the government can simply name someone as a terrorist without evidence, and there's not much to be done about it - especially if the person is not a U.S. citizen - but even so, there's not much to be done.
And the news media reflects this.
There's plenty of articles in Europe (in English, as well as French and German) on this man's story.  The court which ruled on his case is the most supreme human rights court in Europe - one of several courts accustomed to dealing with such issues as wrongful terrorism appellations (EU CFI, EJC, and ECtHR).
Just because American news media outlets didn't report this, doesn't mean it wasn't well covered by the media.  It means the US media doesn't cover important stories.
Nota bene: Swissinfo.org is a serious news media outlet here in Switzerland.
Thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.193.73.195 (talk) 22:12, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources for BLP 

message: See related Signpost article: Tentacles of Emirates plot attempt to ensnare Wikipedia WP:Wikipedia_Signpost/2023-07-17/In_the_media and how the Swiss private intelligence company Alp Services by Mario Brero has been contracted by the UAE government to spy on citizens of 18 countries in Europe and beyond. Alp Services has sent to the UAE intelligence services the names of more than 1000 individuals and 400 organizations in 18 European countries, labelling them as part of the Muslim Brotherhood network in Europe.--Wuerzele (talk) 00:18, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signpost article