Talk:Riverina/Archive 1

message: I've added that it also goes north of the murrumbidgee. My readers digest atlas shows it going north of it, and Griffith is also north of that river -- Astrokey44|talk 05:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps a better definition is the Murrumbidgee and Murray catchments as opposed to the Lachlan catchment in the Central West.--Mattinbgn 02:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made the changes detailed above.  I have not been able to find any official definition other than for electoral districts which all leave out significant portions of what is customarily known as the Riverina.Mattinbgn 06:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murrumbidgee 

message: As many of you know finding a map that actually encompasses the Riverina is difficult but I have found one that certainly covers more accurately the area than say the electoral district and similar maps.  A link to the map is listed in the body of this article or you can point to here . VirtualSteve 08:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I made this based on that map and the info in the article. Is this correct? --Astrokey44 11:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't mind Astrokey's map.  It does need some minor refinements (remove Parkes and Condobolin perhaps; if we do we should probably remove the text unless there is a cite.  I think I added it originally based on the Northern Riverina Australian Football League.)  It also needs some trimming on the east to align with the Hume Highway.  VirtualSteve's map leaves out the Murray River townships of Corowa, Mulwala, Barooga, Tocumwal and Moama which are generally considered Riverina towns.  The maps supplied by Bidgee include Wentworth which is only classed at the Riverina for state service delivery purposes and (in my opinion) not part of the Riverina as generally accepted.
This interest may be an opportunity for a bit of collaboration to improve the article which is fairly lacking at the moment--Mattinbgn 02:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I updated it based on what was said here. One other thing I was going to ask was if you think that West Wyalong should be included? That article says that it is part of the Northern Riverina or Central West, and it is shown on some of the Riverina maps, but not the one you linked to above. --Astrokey44 03:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of the Riverina 

message: I don't think Albury is Riverina - not sure what my source is other than I have been there a ton of times.  Any ideas - signs, ...--Golden Wattle  talk 19:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While I agree that Albury is not as good an example of a Riverina town as Griffith or Deniliquin, I would still leave it in the article and on the map and on Template:Riverina.  It is the main service centre for areas in the southern Riverina as far west as Berrigan and north as far as Urana, Rand and Culcairn.  A  google search seems to bring up more than a few relevant hits.  Another definition here includes Albury.  Perhaps in the article the differences between places such as Albury, Tumut, Yass etc on the slopes  and Hay, Narrandera and Finley on the plain can be mentioned.--Mattinbgn 22:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough - in it is--Golden Wattle  talk 00:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Albury

message: (Note:Now in to-do box)
We seem to have some consensus on the area of the Riverina.  It may be time to see if we can expand the article a bit.  Areas that need adding include:
*Climate (a table with Climate figures for say Wagga Wagga, Corowa and Hay to take a sample)
*Demographics (Is there a way to get a referenced population figure?)
*Culture (regional cultural groups, literature and movies set in the Riverina)
Expansion is required for 
*History
*Geography - area, soils, minerals, national parks.
*Transport - including rail, and riverboat
*Agriculture (stats would be good)
*Politics - Local Government, regional advisory boards.
Images would also be useful, in particular:
*dryland farming (wheat or canola crop, merino, cattle)
*Irrigation (channels, sprinklers, rice crop or harvest) Not the greatest image, could probably be improved.
*wine (a winery)
Please add anything else you think needs adding. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mattinbgn (talk • contribs) 23:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A proposed layout, moving much of the physical description of the Riverina to the start, then the history, followed by the facilities and administration. 
    * 1 Geography
   
    * 2 Demographics
    * 3 Agriculture
      (subheadings could possibly be removed and section widened to include other employment generating industries and renamed Economy or Industry) 
          o 3.1 Wool 
          o 3.2 Rice
          o 3.3 Wine
    * 4 History
    * 5 Politics
    * 6 Education (perhaps rename to a broader heading to allow inclusion of other items, not sure what at this stage)
    * 7 Sport (perhaps arts and culture can be added either by renaming this section, or adding immediately after)
    * 8 See also
    * 9 External links
    * 10 References
My feeling is most relevant things should be able to fit inside that framework, but if others can think of additional sections please add them to this template.--Mattinbgn 13:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I have moved history to come before agriculture as the agriculture section makes less sense without historical context.--Golden Wattle  talk 21:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Improvement

message: I don't think the order of topics is correct and thus the article structure not quite correct - the topics are OK it is just the logical flow that worries me.
Currently:
    * 1 Geography
    * 2 History
    * 3 Cities, Towns and Settlements
    * 4 Politics
    * 5 Education
    * 6 Agriculture
          o 6.1 Wool
          o 6.2 Rice
          o 6.3 Wine
    * 7 Sport
    * 8 See also
    * 9 References
    * 10 External links
 
I think I would move agriculture to follow geography and maybe that might help - I am not sure what the answer is.--Golden Wattle  talk 23:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A proposed layout, moving much of the physical description of the Riverina to the start, then the history, followed by the facilities and administration. 
    * 1 Geography
   
    * 2 Demographics
    * 3 Agriculture
      (subheadings could possibly be removed and section widened to include other employment generating industries and renamed Economy or Industry) 
          o 3.1 Wool 
          o 3.2 Rice
          o 3.3 Wine
    * 4 History
    * 5 Politics
    * 6 Education (perhaps rename to a broader heading to allow inclusion of other items, not sure what at this stage)
    * 7 Sport (perhaps arts and culture can be added either by renaming this section, or adding immediately after)
    * 8 See also
    * 9 External links
    * 10 References
My feeling is most relevant things should be able to fit inside that framework, but if others can think of additional sections please add them to this template.--Mattinbgn 13:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I have moved history to come before agriculture as the agriculture section makes less sense without historical context.--Golden Wattle  talk 21:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heading order 

message: I want to add a section on the Riverina as a bioregion as per http://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/npws.nsf/Content/Riverina+Bioregion - note that the boundaries are different - neither is correct at the expense of the other, just different.  It may be worth developing a map that compares the different regional boundaries if somebody has the skills and patience. --Golden Wattle  talk 23:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps a map highlighting the bioregion could be made from :Image:Murray darling murrumbidgee map.gif, since it shows the rivers and could include the part which is in Victoria --Astrokey44 01:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bioregion 

message: Can someone who is better with colours than me. (I'm colour blind) please tell me what rainfall zone(s) the Riverina falls in on this map.  Many thanks--Mattinbgn 11:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rainfall map