Talk:United Arab Emirates

message: 1. This is the first time I have seen a page with no edit links and lots of "edit requests" in the Talk.  I would suggest that near the top or bottom of the page some text be added explaining why it is locked and how to suggest changes.
2. To the section stating that there is no interference with religious activities other than Islam, it is worth adding something like "However, religious proselytizing is illegal in the UAE."  Because, like it or not, proselytizing is part of the "religious activities" of more than one religion, and people unaware of this law have been prosecuted and/or deported.  Suggested citation: https://www.osac.gov/Country/UnitedArabEmirates/Content/Detail/Report/77d2e6dc-68e6-4dcd-91ea-1828235e7695 though there are many other online sources for this fact.  
伟思礼 (talk) 04:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two edit requests 

message: Is this encyclopedic?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.237.221 (talk) 12:02, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's certainly more panglossian language than we normally see in Wikipedia country articles - and the cited source seems to be a PR outfit. Can someone suggest better language? BushelCandle (talk) 23:28, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this encyclopedic?

message: My name is Emarat Deira,
I am a Law Professor in the University of Dubai for 40+ years, please read what i type carefully:
The Constitution of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), as per the Arabic text, defines it as an Federal Monarchy, where the King has absolute powers that are not limited by the constitution. Therefore, the UAE is not a constitutional monarchy like Spain or the UK, but it is an absolute monarchy like Oman or Brunei, please change it to an absolute monarchy, as it pains me to see my country being called an constitutional monarchy, as it is incorrect. Wikipedia also agrees with me, as the UAE is listed as absolute monarchy here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_monarchy.
Please make this change as soon as possible.
Thanks,
Emarat Deira,
--Emarat Deira (talk) 18:51, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , First of all I would like to welcome you in Wikipedia and I wish we benefit from your experience on improving the overall quality of articles. Now, as  mentioned, here in Wikipedia it's all about verifiability and citing, where personal research is not allowed and such content can be challenged and removed, even if the editor is a known researcher or expert in the field. please post any links that can back your claim, because as per my understanding the UAE is a Federal Monarchy while each individual Emirate is Absolute Monarchy, as for what mentioned is the Wikipedia page of Absolute Monarchy, HH Sheikh Khalifa isn't an absolute monarch over the federation but on the Emirate of Abu Dhabi, adding him to list of absolute monarch is an error and should be removed. Regards  UA3 (talk) 23:47, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  United Arab Emirates is an Absolute Federal Monarchy.  

message: The uae is a Absloute monarchy. You can check the other Wikipedia and non wikipedia websites. But it is showing that it is a constitutional monarchy in the uae page. This deeply effects uae government powers and desicions. As it makes chaos for the monarch who has been undermined. 2.49.24.19 (talk) 20:35, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: See the above post, otherwise please point to reliable sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:48, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2019 

message: This is in regards to the section on Languages, where it is said "Since the area was occupied by the British until 1971, English is the primary lingua franca in the UAE. As such, a knowledge of the language is a requirement when applying for most local jobs."
"As such" should be changed to "Consequently," "As a result," or something similar.  The current text is an incorrect and unprofessional (albeit common) misapplication of the construct "as such", which means "acting or behaving as (the previously described noun)."  In this case, "knowledge of the language" is not acting or behaving "as such" where such means "the primary lingua franca in the UAE."  In other words, what this text is saying can be reduced to "Knowledge, acting as English, is a requirement when applying for most local jobs."  While I have no doubt that knowledge of English is required for most local jobs, it's not because knowledge is itself English.
It would also be correct to leave "As such" but change the sentence to:
"As such, it is required when applying for most local jobs." Bubbleking (talk) 17:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:20, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2021 

message: Can someone please explain why there are images of two US politicians (Pompeo, Trump) in an article that is supposed to be about UAE? Surely one will do. B. Fairbairn (talk) 13:17, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's the foreign relations section. There's a Putin in there too. Surely not doing anyone any harm, are they? I added in Joe Biden just to make it a bit more Democratic... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:30, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha ha ha - anything to reduce bias and simultaneously put more stars and stripes flags on other country articles B. Fairbairn (talk) 11:04, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Politicians 

message: Hi, just a small suggestion, many country articles have a section on science and technology, please could one be created for UAE? 
Thanks
John Cummings (talk) 13:36, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Unfortunately this article is written like a Human Rights Watch country profile, where human rights and laws closely followed by foreign policy make the bulk of the article (with exact dates) while the rest is completely ignored. Some areas need to be trimmed while others such as science and technology need to be expanded/created. Gorebath (talk) 08:27, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion: section on science and technology 

message: Should the lead include text along the lines of "The UAE has been widely described as an authoritarian state" and "According to human rights organizations, there are systematic human rights violations in the UAE"? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:34, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: “The government follows a policy of tolerance toward other religions and rarely interferes in the religious activities of non-Muslims,” it says.  The sections on human rights suggest otherwise. 伟思礼 (talk) 22:20, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is not omitted when the nature of the UAE's political system is described in the body of the article alongside its proper attributable description. Gorebath (talk) 00:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

text: * Do you support adding "UAE is an authoritarian state" in Wikipedia's voice? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 13:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: * Seems somewhat inelegant, would prefer a broader sentence about the governing system which mentions the absolute control. CMD (talk) 15:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: * Maybe we could incorporate the first sentence from Politics of the United Arab Emirates and parts of the third paragraph? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:06, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: * Looking at the current lead, politics and governance takes up most of the second paragraph already. Given this, I would suggest a modification describing governance, perhaps around "Each emirate is governed by", would be the best way to include information without adding much more length. CMD (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

text: False equivalence fallacy. Eritrea is ranked the lowest in Press Freedom Index which is why its included in its lead, and despite being authoritarian that fact is not directly stated. For the sake of comparison, the United Arab Emirates ranks higher than India, Mexico, Singapore and Eritrea in the same index. It would be illogical to add the same statement to the lead paragraph of all these countries articles using the same style you're suggesting. Gorebath (talk) 20:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is suggesting to "water it down" and I dont think anyone suggested that the UK and UAE have the same form of government. The question is not whether UAE is authoritarian in reliable sources or not. The added statement is not unique enough to the country its in the lead paragraph of. The sentence added can be copy pasted to every other middle eastern country and still be true. Hundreds of other countries are authoritarian and there's no precedent to add to the lead page of hundreds of articles that they're "authoritarian" in the lead. The proper description "authoritarian" is added adequately in the politics section and explained thoroughly in that section. Unless UAE has unique suppressive attributes that is equivocal to North Korea or Eritrea style in reliable sources adding this vague sentence in the lead adds nothing of value. With your similar reasoning, the UK also has a long history of human rights violations, none of which are added to the United Kingdom article lead paragraph. Gorebath (talk) 05:07, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

text: The rullers of Dubai and Abu Dhabi have "effective veto power" over the presidential election so it is not any form of democracy elective in the lowest form.  --  Otr500 (talk) 20:49, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

text: I don't have a pony in this race and ended up here from a feedback request. Adding , standing alone, seems misleading. Is it not correct that the President has come from the same ruling family, as does the Prime Minister, since the founding of the UAE? Regardless of the reason to show it as an "elective" monarchy in the lead, it seems misleading as the positions are (have been) hereditary since the founding and any vote to the contrary could be vetoed. "IF" "authoritarian" does not find favor then maybe "hereditary autocracy" as it does show up in sources. I do think that a label of an authoritarian state "According to human rights organizations" alone would not be acceptable as more mainstream sources would need to be included and why I have only commented thus far. Anyway, I am loading my pony into the trailer so have a great day. --  Otr500 (talk) 13:10, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Your point is kind of off-topic, but I'll attempt to clarify it. It is not uncommon that elective monarchies become hereditary. Per the constitution, in a pure law form it is a closed election where the supreme federal council elects one of them to be the leader of the union, much like the pope. By word of convention, it has always been the rulers of Abu Dhabi. The position is not automatically passed down to the eldest son of Abu Dhabi's sheikh as would be expected in a hereditary monarchy. All members of the supreme federal council are hereditary absolute monarchs of their own emirates, so the royal families stay the same. For example, the expected next president for example is not the current President Sheikh Khalifa's son. His half brother is expected to be voted into the position.As for prime minister, the ruler of Dubai did not assume that position until 7 years after independence. Gorebath (talk) 21:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

text: While your attempt is a good one, it unfortunately wedges a lot of misconceptions. Abu Dhabi and Dubai retaining the Presidency and Prime minister-ship is not written in law but obeyed by convention and is due to the fact that Abu Dhabi and Dubai formed a 2 state union agreement first called the Dubai agreement and then the other emirates joined, and pay more than the others for the federal budget rather than purely secondary to "prestige" as explained in Abdulla Oman Taryam's The Establishment of the United Arab Emirates 1950-85 book. I don't see why the encyclopedia should cater to western audience and represent American or European perspective on native English-speaking editors from Anglophone countries to explained that an emirate is, what is called a principality and that there's no democracy as democracy is not the stated normal in most of the world. This is unfortunately an example of WP:BIAS. The lead is not the place where the intricate details of the country's politics should be explained. Gorebath (talk) 23:01, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

text: The article should mention that the UAE gets its revenue from taxing oil pumped by western companies, rather than owning the oil itself. The UAE has avoided nationalizing the oil to keep good relations with the western powers. Just in case their larger neighbors decide to grab them and their oil, both. This is a basic fact, and should be mentioned somewhere. 2A00:23C7:E287:E001:C81E:55B5:B932:6C8 (talk) 19:04, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC: Authoritarianism in the lead 

message: * Yes. There is no disagreement in reliable sources, in particular academic publications, that the UAE has an authoritarian regime type. It's basic and uncontested information about the UAE's political system. In their coverage of the UAE across issue areas, RS and academic analyses overwhelmingly cover the authoritarian nature of the political system, as it defines and shapes the political, economic and social life in the UAE. It would be a strange omission if Wikipedia were not to remark on the country's political system. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:43, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is not omitted when the nature of the UAE's political system is described in the body of the article alongside its proper attributable description. Gorebath (talk) 00:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

text: * Do you support adding "UAE is an authoritarian state" in Wikipedia's voice? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 13:31, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: * Seems somewhat inelegant, would prefer a broader sentence about the governing system which mentions the absolute control. CMD (talk) 15:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: * Maybe we could incorporate the first sentence from Politics of the United Arab Emirates and parts of the third paragraph? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:06, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: * Looking at the current lead, politics and governance takes up most of the second paragraph already. Given this, I would suggest a modification describing governance, perhaps around "Each emirate is governed by", would be the best way to include information without adding much more length. CMD (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

text: False equivalence fallacy. Eritrea is ranked the lowest in Press Freedom Index which is why its included in its lead, and despite being authoritarian that fact is not directly stated. For the sake of comparison, the United Arab Emirates ranks higher than India, Mexico, Singapore and Eritrea in the same index. It would be illogical to add the same statement to the lead paragraph of all these countries articles using the same style you're suggesting. Gorebath (talk) 20:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is suggesting to "water it down" and I dont think anyone suggested that the UK and UAE have the same form of government. The question is not whether UAE is authoritarian in reliable sources or not. The added statement is not unique enough to the country its in the lead paragraph of. The sentence added can be copy pasted to every other middle eastern country and still be true. Hundreds of other countries are authoritarian and there's no precedent to add to the lead page of hundreds of articles that they're "authoritarian" in the lead. The proper description "authoritarian" is added adequately in the politics section and explained thoroughly in that section. Unless UAE has unique suppressive attributes that is equivocal to North Korea or Eritrea style in reliable sources adding this vague sentence in the lead adds nothing of value. With your similar reasoning, the UK also has a long history of human rights violations, none of which are added to the United Kingdom article lead paragraph. Gorebath (talk) 05:07, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

text: The rullers of Dubai and Abu Dhabi have "effective veto power" over the presidential election so it is not any form of democracy elective in the lowest form.  --  Otr500 (talk) 20:49, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

text: I don't have a pony in this race and ended up here from a feedback request. Adding , standing alone, seems misleading. Is it not correct that the President has come from the same ruling family, as does the Prime Minister, since the founding of the UAE? Regardless of the reason to show it as an "elective" monarchy in the lead, it seems misleading as the positions are (have been) hereditary since the founding and any vote to the contrary could be vetoed. "IF" "authoritarian" does not find favor then maybe "hereditary autocracy" as it does show up in sources. I do think that a label of an authoritarian state "According to human rights organizations" alone would not be acceptable as more mainstream sources would need to be included and why I have only commented thus far. Anyway, I am loading my pony into the trailer so have a great day. --  Otr500 (talk) 13:10, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Your point is kind of off-topic, but I'll attempt to clarify it. It is not uncommon that elective monarchies become hereditary. Per the constitution, in a pure law form it is a closed election where the supreme federal council elects one of them to be the leader of the union, much like the pope. By word of convention, it has always been the rulers of Abu Dhabi. The position is not automatically passed down to the eldest son of Abu Dhabi's sheikh as would be expected in a hereditary monarchy. All members of the supreme federal council are hereditary absolute monarchs of their own emirates, so the royal families stay the same. For example, the expected next president for example is not the current President Sheikh Khalifa's son. His half brother is expected to be voted into the position.As for prime minister, the ruler of Dubai did not assume that position until 7 years after independence. Gorebath (talk) 21:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

text: While your attempt is a good one, it unfortunately wedges a lot of misconceptions. Abu Dhabi and Dubai retaining the Presidency and Prime minister-ship is not written in law but obeyed by convention and is due to the fact that Abu Dhabi and Dubai formed a 2 state union agreement first called the Dubai agreement and then the other emirates joined, and pay more than the others for the federal budget rather than purely secondary to "prestige" as explained in Abdulla Oman Taryam's The Establishment of the United Arab Emirates 1950-85 book. I don't see why the encyclopedia should cater to western audience and represent American or European perspective on native English-speaking editors from Anglophone countries to explained that an emirate is, what is called a principality and that there's no democracy as democracy is not the stated normal in most of the world. This is unfortunately an example of WP:BIAS. The lead is not the place where the intricate details of the country's politics should be explained. Gorebath (talk) 23:01, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

text: The article should mention that the UAE gets its revenue from taxing oil pumped by western companies, rather than owning the oil itself. The UAE has avoided nationalizing the oil to keep good relations with the western powers. Just in case their larger neighbors decide to grab them and their oil, both. This is a basic fact, and should be mentioned somewhere. 2A00:23C7:E287:E001:C81E:55B5:B932:6C8 (talk) 19:04, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I added that it is an Islamic state because their constitution states that Sharia is a primary basis for their laws; it seems some editors disagree. I welcome comments from other editors about where that line is drawn. Is it only an Islamic state if their courts function only by Sharia, without elements of common or civil law? ― Tartan357 Talk 23:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an Islamic state if a consensus of RSs say it is. What we think doesn't come into it. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:32, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islamic state? 

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message: In the section Government And Politics, paragraph Administrative Divisions, there is a table which provides the population number of al the emarites. In this table the percentage of the population in each emarite adds up to 105.5%. Something is wrong here. 87.212.40.233 (talk) 14:16, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Your math is slightly off however you are correct that it does not add up to 100%. Instead it adds up to 107.1% so some of the numbers are incorrect here. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:25, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

text: The old ref seems to have been removed in 2018 in , so you may wish to ask Badass Flare whether he has a new source. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. And the religions in the infobox add up to 250%. Some shaky maths going on. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percentages add up to more than 100% 

message: Would Like To add to the discussion and explain the legal situation of drug abuse in United Arab Emirates according to UAE CRIMINAL LAW MohamedHilalz (talk) 10:44, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure about the reliability of that source, but please consider editing subarticles instead. CMD (talk) 13:12, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drug Crimes in UAE  

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message: The map erroneously highlights Yemen instead of the UAE at this time. 72.89.218.21 (talk) 12:14, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That was vandalism, it has been corrected. CMD (talk) 12:59, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map currently incorrect. 

message: Traditional dishes include Maq'louba, Margooga, Harees, Machbous, Frsee'ah, Fireed, Jisheid, and Mishwy. Breakfast in the UAE usually features breads like raqaq, khameer, and chebab, served with cheese, date syrup, or eggs.Along the coasts, fish was found in abundance. The Emiratis learnt to store fish by drying it and made it accessible to those living in the deserts and oases. In the deserts and mountainous regions, Emiratis largely relied on camel milk and meat. Meat of sheep and goat were also staple.The Bedouins of the Arabian Peninsula, Middle East and North Africa rely on a diet of dates, dried fruit, nuts, wheat, barley, rice, and meat. The meat comes from large animals such as cows, sheep, and lambs. They also eat dairy products: milk, cheese, yoghurt, and buttermilk (labneh). Ritha34 (talk) 17:42, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Food 

message: Someone vandalised the article. 5.90.181.94 (talk) 14:30, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don’t want the article to be vandalised again. 5.90.181.94 (talk) 14:30, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Ebraali444 (talk) 17:09, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

text: We don’t want any of our articles vandalized ever. —OuroborosCobra (talk) 17:22, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2023 

message: — Assignment last updated by ReadyMadeAl (talk) 17:00, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: The Free Internet

message: someone vandalized the article (on arabic name of country and motto). does anyone mind to semi-protect the article? 88.201.84.140 (talk) 17:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Protection requested at WP:RPP. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:11, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  article got vandalized again 

message: Reading the article in the context of all we know from reputable news sources (e.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-67508331) this article seems to only hold favourable commentary about the UAE. Although there are a few mentions of the dubious human rights practices and violations there is no specific section on this (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-66394063). 82.20.134.200 (talk) 10:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page reads like an advert for UAE 

message: The language used in the Economy section of this article appears to me to lean quite favourably towards the UAE. Positively charged words such as "boasting," "impressive," "prudent," "resolute" and others are used which add an interpretation to the description of the UAE's economic development. I think that significant portions of this section need to be rewritten to bring the article into line with WP:IMPARTIAL. To that end, I have added a NPOV language notice. TheTimMan (talk) 14:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV language in Economy section 

message: Why is cycling not mentioned under sports? This seems like huge oversight. The UCI WorldTeam UAE Team Emirates cycling teams is one of the top teams in the pro peloton.  Superstar Slovenian cyclist Tadej Pogacar won the Tour de France (often considered the largest sporting event on the planet) in 2020 and 2021 as a member of team UAE Emirates cycling, and continues to dominate.  The diverse team roster is loaded with international stars and includes a "Gen Z" development team. The Tour of Dubai is a massive event. Toccare (talk) 02:45, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cycling? 

message: Under this section shouldn't common expat languages such as Urdu, Hindi, Bengali, Filipino, Chinese, Malay and other languages spoken by the majority foreign population be in here? Pieinthesky1 (talk) 03:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common non-official languages