Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/New Kalachakra

message: Concerning Ban on Jonang, your insinuations about it are not founded at all. It's a perfectly measured approach that describes the point by point differences between the out-of-date vision of Tibetan history between the tenth century and today of Tibetans, as opposed to the scientific fact-based research of modern scholars... of which I am one.
As for Jalpo you're also totally unfounded there (and I wonder what your agenda is in wanting to find fault with all I write. Why the singling-out process ? I should then denounce you for stalking to Wikipedia ? That's also got special sections describing it in Wiki's book, eh ! Wiki is not a blueprint for you to exercise your personal agenda, Sylvain.). Jalpo is the perfectly neutral point of view-page to off-balance the perfectly POV page that's written about it at the Dorje Shugden page - which reflects perfectly sectarian Gelugpa views - but on which they themselves cannot agree being deeply rifted and divided, ( or not to say even "ravaged"), between their own clans' in-fighting.
Jalpo gives a prefectly indepth, verifiable (Ban on Jonang is perfectly verifiable too and in no way referring to my sole site as reference which, on your part, is a smear to say - repeatedly - seeing Bann on Jonang and Jalpo don't in fact even so much as have reference to my site at all.) evidence as to the view of the Sakyapas on the Jalpo-Shugden problem-controversy. You are incapable of producing an anlaysis of the Sakyapa view and the evidences scholarship which I have produced and put in order on that page. The page thus puts into perspective and order - with a perfectly NPOV,- the whole issue behind the Gelugpa view, the Sakyapa, Kagyupa and Nyingmapa views, and draws the conclusions which are thus possible to be drawn - and which take all the steam out of the pent-upness that's developped by the Tibetans over this issue.... and that's made the Gelugpa school a collective battleground and hell.
The proof of this which I can prove and is undisputable... and proves that what I'm saying is not just empty spouting - which is apparently what you're claiming I'm doing,- is that on the Dorje Shugden page, (where they were fighting like cats and dogs until I produced the effort of wrting the Jalpo page), all fighting has quelled and all talking even has subsided. Rather than fight they just stay peaceful and quiet. The evidence that I've put on the table and published at Jalpo is satisfying and fodder for thought for them all. None dispute the facts I've put forth. I far prefer them being silent there than fighting. I prefer peace to war and thunder.
I don't know if people who are reading here know what we're talking about when speaking of (Chogyam) Trungpa. They should : Trungpa is a particlar crazy-case in Tibetan Buddhism and notoriously known across the board. There are several places on Internet where his failings and mistakes, his crazy AIDS-ridden disciple Osel Tenzin, etc... have been displayed and discussed and Sylvain may not like it to be made public. When one thinks that a master is judged upon his disciple then this Osel sure was not a good advertisment for the guru, to be sure.
I'll just send some elements to think about :
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showtopic=17092&st=20
My own master who is the head of Tibet's second most influential school, told us about a conference by Trungpa he had heard reported to him about, in which Trungpa was drunk with a pitcher of a tinted-couloured liquid in it, that no one knew what it contained. In any case, Trungpa smoked throughout the conference and didn't seem to realize his cigarette were creating ash which fell down on his coat throughout the event and covered his suits front. A good example of "Buddhsit Awareness". And downright dirtiness too. When you think that Tantric Buddhism is supposed to be compassion-filled which materializes by acting in accord with peoples' views ! Ashes all over one's coat can't be what is called good harmonizing with peoples views, can it ?
So, the claims that either Ban on Jonang or Jalpo are unfounded are again solely agenda driven around this cult theme, and solely arise because of this torturing you and leaving you no because peace. You're still basically just a Trungpa cultee, railing around, flailing aimlessly because your aim which cannot be fulfilled. You made the promise of it to Trungpa which was to make his son the new Messiah who would realize the Shambala-Kalachakra prophecy and be the new King of Shambala - the Messiah, that's predicted. And it's not working that way and I'm the main problem to you. Tough, huh ! I call it idiotic messianic cultee-stuff !
For people on this page, I want you to know that I'm not a ranting lunatic as Sylvain describes but he's part of a group of lunatics and evil people. That's all : see the links below. His accusations merely reflect his shortcomings and not mine. I'm not even involved in his group at all and am frankly the odd man out in their own troubles. He also involves with this Gelugpa sect (which is not his own) out of some misguided political idea of meddling with the otehr sects.
He's a very misguided person and the worst of it is his attributing to me his various misunderstandings about a variety of topics and issues that he understands little or nothing about (the "ban on Jonang", "Jalpo", the "Kalachakra", anyone ?  Yes that's what I meant in those "topics and issues" there.).
For all people here on this page I'll just give you a wiff of the kind of garbage this issue is all about here on this Google page which gives something like three hundred hits that are replete with the full details about this cult and it's deviated path in religion and understanding. 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=fr&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Trungpa+Osel+Tenzin&btnG=Recherche+Google&lr=
The sad thing is to see these people meddling with bona fide religion and scholarship such as I'm promoting on the web and them acting as if they were the real authority in this case.
I hope that this is clear and that whatever this guy puts forth about his cult or about his agenda is taken with that needed pinch of salt : now that people have been able to make up their own opinion and not be falsely taken in by lies and deceit. I hope the jury is out now and that this can be cleared up quickly. Kind regards to all. Geir Smith 10:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for these latest entries Geir. They are very indicative of your work overall, far better than any description I could provide. Sylvain1972 15:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Messianic cult of Trungpa-Shambala-Osel Tenzin

message: You're not the one that's in accusation, Sylvain. You're nominating *me* for deletion. You're defending yourself here.
First of all there's no such thing as "Propoganda". You make mistakes throughout so don't talk about illegible English. Your link's for links for example.
Now in the line of your defence, as to the reasons that justify your doing anti-Wikipedia things like outright, full deleting of entries, as you've done in a sytematic way at Kalachakra, well your love of Wikipedia or your "commitment" to Wikipedia don't give you a dispensation to disrespect it's guidelines less than anyone else be they new or old to Wikipedia. It's not a club in which some people are more authorized than others. That's at the Pentagon things work like that. This is not a secret agency that gives you powers to do unauthorized and illegal things (...like Watergate). 
Proving that you've contributed to all kinds of lamas' pages doesn't prove you're not a Trungpa follower. Trungpa's followers believe he is the father of the teaching that will provide the Messiah for this age. It's natural for Trungpa to want to have a hand in all things Buddhist because the Kalachakra prophecy is the take-over of all things on earth by Kalachakra, beginning by Buddhism (and all the sects and lamas of it), all religions (Christian, etc...) and everything. I see your interest in Kalachakra as a takeover bid by the Trungpa sect that thinks that they're the future Messiah's secret army. Ha ha ha ! Moronic, eh ! It's lall agenda, all the way. All lies.
They think that : that despite having to hide in Canada in Nova Scotia, the prophecy of his being Maitreya, the Messiah,... through his disciples or son, is still on track. Not to mention his disciple having willfully killed two of his disiples apparently (I'll publish those pages about the murders here seeing things are going from push to shove here !).
As for my wild so-called "suppositions", well they in no way authorize you to practise anti-Wikipedia full deleting systematically. I'd like Wikipedia to slam a no-edit restraint on you. You've been way out of line for months on this.
My Ban on Jonang tells the whole story of the full lineage of Kalachakra being totally false. 
The Kalachakra article itself says nothing else. You can check it : it says the lineages are full of contradictions; which means "totally false" in clear English.
No, your case is as empty as a dried-up fruit, and the wild accusations I make against you are... founded... just as your contribution page, as for it, shows the trail you left behind you. You can't escape karma, Sylvain, it leaves traces. As for the "wild accusations" I've made in Wikipedia, well friend, they're not "wild" and not "accusations". You should be less wild and accusatory is what you should be. You're accusing others of your own faults, which is what Sakya Pandita, the famous master, said was the sign of evil people, something you're making out to be, big time.
My facts are verified and backed up in each case with ample outside external links that come from  respected and well-known sources, in each and every case. No part or parcel of what I say anywhere is not so and coming from where you're coming from (the main disciple of your guru is a person responsable for the deaths of two of his desiples : and I'll publish it right here now) you're sure not a person to be a judge in this. Don't throw stones from a glass house, friend. Geir Smith 23:38, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Geir, you can make all the speculations you want about me, but you are the one who has written a vanity wikipedia page about yourself, Phende in which you make your motives clear. "One person who furthers this agenda is Geir Smith, well-known on Wikipedia for authoring such articles as Jalpo, Phende, Ngor, etc...and contributing to many others." Your agenda is to publish original research, which is expressly forbidden by wikipedia. That is why I have reverted your edits. That, along with the fact your writing in English is often incomprehensible. Sylvain1972 20:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Crackpot Sylvain