Talk:2007 Greek legislative election

message: On what basis will this be the 32nd election? There were many more elections before 1910, and it seems this number was arrived at by counting the number of elections mentioned in the infobox. THis needs to be renamed.--Damac 13:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Why the hell was this page renamed from Next Greek legislative election to Greek legislative election, 2007. 
The fact is that this election must be held before March 2008. Until the government formally calls an election, everything else is pure speculation.
I'm going to formally propose that this renaming be reverted.--Damac 15:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I voiced my concerns BEFORE the announcement of the election date. The issue is now redundant.--Damac 08:57, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ridiculous move 

message: I think that as SYRIZA is the competing electoral coalition it should be mentioned alone at the header of the opinion polls. The fact that early polls counted only a part of the coalition (SYN) can be accommodated with a footnote. Thoughts? --Michalis Famelis (talk) 19:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your idea. Magioladitis 00:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, I implemented it (although I forgot to sign in). :-) --Michalis Famelis (talk) 02:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SYN-SYRIZA 

message: With the election looming, I'm wondering whether it would be timely to start pages for each of the country's constituencies, as has been done for other countries (see Galway East (Dáil Éireann constituency) for example. As Greek constituencies largely conincide with the prefectures, should electoral information and lists be included in those articles (e.g. should we put lists of MPs, results, etc., into the existing Argolis article), or should there be seperate Argolis and Argolis (constituency) articles?
I'd appreciate some feedback on this. In the meantime I'm going to prepare a list of Greek constituencies.--Damac 15:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created the list, see List of parliamentary constituencies of Greece. All links include the qualifier constituency in brackets and link to the relevant prefectures. These redirects can be removed once constituency articles have been started.--Damac 16:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do people think of Kefalonia (constituency)? Can it be improved in any way?--Damac 21:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Damac, are you sure you want to get into documenting recent and future elections for each and every one of the ~50 constituencies? You are getting into an awfully and monstrously HUGE load of work...  If you're determined, though, I'd say that the Kefalonia constituency article is quite good as a template for the rest. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 23:31, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  I really don't think is necessary to keep record of the votes of every single candidate. -- Magioladitis 14:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine. Yes, it is a huge task, and I'll undertake to do the 3-4 constituencies that I'm interested in or have links with. Wikipedia has detailed election results for a number of countries (see Ireland and the UK, for example), so I don't see any reason why the same cannot or should not be done for Greece. If everyone took one a few constituencies, we'd lay the groundwork for future efforts.--Damac 15:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constituencies 

message: According to some media reports, 28 parties will be constesting the elections, although not all state wide. Here's the list (in Greek):
*Νέα Δημοκρατία (Κ. Καραμανλής)
*Πανελλήνιο Σοσιαλιστικό Κίνημα (Γ. Παπανδρέου)
*Κομμουνιστικό Κόμμα Ελλάδος (Αλέκα Παπαρήγα)
*Συνασπισμός Ριζοσπαστικής Αριστεράς (Ι. Μπανιάς, Π. Μαντάς (ΔΗΚΚΙ), Ηλ. Νικολόπουλος, Γ. Πάντζας, Ι. Χαριτόπουλος, Εμμ. Γλέζος, Ι. Θεωνάς, Π. Κοσμάς, Ροδ. Ρινάλντι, Γ. Χαλκιάς, Αλ. Αλαβάνος)
*Λαϊκός Ορθόδοξος Συναγερμός (Γ. Καρατζαφέρης)
*Δημοκρατική Αναγέννηση (Σ. Παπαθεμελής)
*Αγωνιστικό Σοσιαλιστικό Κόμμα Ελλάδος (Εκτελεστική Επιτροπή: Ν. Καργόπουλος, Ν. Λεοντόπουλος, Σηφ. Στενός)
*Δημοκρατική Παγκόσμιος Ελλάς ( Στ. Κρικέλης) κατέρχεται μόνο στην Α΄ και στην Β΄Αθηνών
*Έλληνες Οικολόγοι (Δ. Βεργής)
*Εθνικό Απελευθερωτικό Μέτωπο Β. (Π. Τραϊανός)
*Ένωση Κεντρώων (Β. Λεβέντης)
*Ενωτική Αντικαπιταλιστική Αριστερά (Διοικούσα επιτροπή : Κ. Παπαδάκης, Δ. Θανασούλας, Κ. Πίττας Δ. Σαραφιανός, Γ. Παυλόπουλος)
*Ενωτικό Ριζοσπαστικό Δημοκρατικό Κίνημα (Ι. Πρωτόπαππας) κατέρχεται μόνο στο Νομό Αιτωλοακαρνανίας
*Ευρωπαϊκό Δημοκρατικό Κόμμα (Π. Κρόκος)
*Κόμμα Φιλελευθέρων (Εμμ. Καλιγιάννης)
*Κομμουνιστικό Κόμμα Έλλάδας (Μαρξιστικό - Λενινιστικό) (Γρ. Κωνσταντόπουλος, Β. Σαμαράς, Ηλ. Καμαρέτσος)
*Λευκό (Κ. Ντάλιος)
*Μέτωπο Ριζοσπαστικής Αριστεράς (Δ. Δεσύλλας, Γ. Δημητρίου, Θ. Κουτσουμπός, Χ. Μπίστης)
*Μαρξιστικό- Λενινιστικό (Α. Παπαδόπουλος, Π. Κουφοβασίλης)
*Νέο Κόμμα Σωτηρίας Χριστιανική Δημοκρατία (Αλκ. Στοϊλης) κατέρχεται μόνο στην Α΄ Αθηνών και στο Νομό Δράμας
*Νέος Φασισμός (Αθ. Δασκαλόπουλος)
*Οικολόγοι Εναλλακτικοί (Μ. Δερτούζος)
*Οικολόγοι Πράσινοι (Ιωάννα Κουτούλη, Αν. Κρομμύδας, Ι. Μαχαίρας, Σταμ. Μπουντούρης, Μ. Τρεμόπουλος, Ι. Χαραλαμπάκης)
*Όραμα Τοπικά Κοινοβούλια (Δ. Κατσίμπρας)
*Οργάνωση για την Ανασυγκρότηση του ΚΚΕ (Διοικούσα Επιτροπή: Η. Ζαφειρόπουλος, Ελένη Κωνσταντινοπούλου, Δ. Γουρνάς)
*Οργή Λαού με Δημοψηφίσματα - Άμεση Δημοκρατία (Γ. Κόκκας)
*Περιφερειακή Αστική Ανάπτυξη (Ν. Κολίτσης) κατέρχεται μόνο στη Β΄ Αθηνών
*Φιλελεύθερη Συμμαχία (Φ. Περλίκος)
*Φως - Αλήθεια - Δικαιοσύνη (Κ. Μελισσουργός)
This might help in completing the list of parties and leaders. However, some of the parties are clearly run by collectives, mainly the leftwing ones. Which name should be included as the leader?--Damac 14:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we really have to state the leaders in all the cases. Btw, the parties are finally 22. 18 that we have in our list and  4 more that don't participate statewide. -- Magioladitis 14:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you mind adding the four parties not on the list, and perhaps adding a footnote (†) for those not running statewide.--Damac 15:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

text: ok you can check it. I think in the day of the results these 4 parties will be stated as "Others" alltogether. -- Magioladitis 16:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smaller parties and leaders 

message: moved this section here for discussion. I removed it from the article because is original research -- Magioladitis 14:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism of [[opinion poll]]s 

message: Links with lists of candidates. Not needed anymore since we have the official announcement. -- Magioladitis 01:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Candidates

message: 1. Θεωρω σκοπιμο να μην συμπληρωθουν τα αποτελεσματα μεχρι αυριο το μεσημερι αφου ΜΟΝΟ τοτε θα εχουμε τα ΤΕΛΙΚΑ αποτελεσματα. Αυριο το πρωι θα εχουν τυπωθει διαφορες εφημεριδες με διαφορετικα αποτελεσματα η καθε μια. Καλο ειναι να μην εμπιστευθει ο καθενας την εφημεριδα του και συμπληρωσει αποτελεσματα που δεν ειναι εγκυρα.
2. Ας διατηρηθει το ιστορικο των εκλογων (δηλαδη τα οσα γραφτηκαν στη σελιδα μεχρι σημερα. Να μην μεινουν μονο τα αποτελεσματα αλλα να μεινουν και οι δημοσκοπησεις οι λιστες των κομματων κλπ κλπ.
3. Ο πινακας αποτελεσματων να μεταφερθει ψηλοτερα στη σελιδα.user:Panosfidis  —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 11:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Μερικες προτασεις

message: We need an aftermath section with the developments in PASOK due to their (still projected) loss by 4.2 percent units difference to ND. George Andreas Papandreou announced he will ask to renew the confidence of his party members for his leadership, and Evangelos Venizelos declared "present" in this process. This is a major development in one of the two traditional "leadership parties" in Greece. NikoSilver 23:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not that major considering it was highly expected. In fact many commentators were surprised he didn't resign right off. --Leladax 17:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll add it as it is and throw in a couple of sources. NikoSilver 23:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks NS, I added my usual blubber there. NikoSilver 12:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aftermath 

message: The official election website has one party which is not listed in the table here.  It is abbreviated as Ανεξ. Υποψ. , but I don't know what that stands for.  Can someone who knows about this party add it to the table at :Template:Greek legislative election, 2007?  Thanks. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah!  Shame that they couldn't have translated that on the "English" page.  (I can read the Greek alphabet, but have very little knowledge of Modern Greek.)  I wonder if I'd have figured it out if it had been written out instead of abbreviated?  (What is Ανεξ. Υποψ. short for?) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Αν-εξάρτη-τοι Υπο-ψήφι-οι = In-depend-ent Under-voted-fors (=candidates). NikoSilver 19:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ευχαριστώ! —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Νά 'σαι καλά! :-) NikoSilver 20:53, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I studied ancient Greek in high school and college (although I've forgotten much of what I once knew).  I know that the texts I read then used the modern Greek alphabet instead of the letter-forms Plato used.  I was just saying that although I have enough understanding of Greek to translate "Νέα Δημοκρατία", I didn't have enough to recognize or translate the abbreviation. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing party 

message: One of the first paragraphs says:
:The election result in combination with the new Greek electoral law gave a marginal parliamentary majority to New Democracy with 152 out of 300 parliament seats, while three more smaller parties surpassed the 3% representation threshold and entered the parliament, which could result in a hung parliament in the case where the leading party would obtain less votes.
This is a bit confusing.  Since New Democracy got an (albeit quite small) majority, a hung parliament is not going to be a problem, correct?  It seems that bit about the hung parliament may have been entered before the final seat counts were determined.  Can we remove this reference or am I missing something? --Jfruh (talk) 19:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, it's confusing but it's the best I could do in rewording an outdated intro. This part is the remains of the predictions before election, and should probably be moved to the "Procedure" section. What it tries to say, is that with 5 parties crossing the 3% threshold for the parliament (as was projected and as it happened), it's increasingly difficult for the leading party to have parliamentary majority. This is because the electoral law gives the votes of the parties that got less than 3% to the leading party. The opposite extreme would be to have those 3 additional parties get a -say- 2% each, so the leading party would be "gifted" an additional 6%. Can you reword it for me please? Sometimes when you know too much about something you can't explain the details, so my mind seems to be stuck right now. NikoSilver 20:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reworked it.  See what you think. --Jfruh (talk) 21:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot. I'll tweak some things I may have said that could be misinterpreted. NikoSilver 21:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, but now the sentence doesn't make grammatical sense again.  What specifically about the tweaked law made the hung parliament more likely?  --Jfruh (talk) 21:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, re-reading your earlier comments, I see what you mean now.  That's all complicated enough that we should leave it out of the lede, i think. --Jfruh (talk) 21:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had moved it before I read your comment. Great minds think alike? :-) NikoSilver 22:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hung parliament? 

message: Shouldn't this be moved at 2007 Greek legislative election to avoid the use of the comma (,) in the title?  NerdyNSK 13:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. This is now all such pages are named across Wikipedia. It's policy.--Damac 13:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move 

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