Talk:Stoney Middleton

message: Much as I personally agree with the sentiments, the section on damage to Jacobs Ladder by off-roaders presumably violates WP:NPOV. The section above on climbers isn't particularly "encyclopaedic" either (e.g. "It was not unknown for climbers to over-indulge at lunchtime and then set off to climb up the dale or as far away as Millstone Edge, resulting in trips to A&E."). Dave.Dunford (talk) 16:38, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there. I just thought it might be useful to explain why your changes to Stoney Middleton keep getting undone, by myself and others. It's nothing personal, and it's not that your opinions are considered invalid. Rather, Wikipedia has fundamental policies of neutral point of view and verifiability, whereby additions—particularly if they are controversial or a matter of opinion—must cite a credible source. Thus your opinions on the activities of off-roaders around Stoney Middleton (with which, incidentally, I entirely sympathise as a walker myself) are not admissible without a reference to a reliable source that backs up that opinion. Continuing to insert your own uncited opinion in a Wikipedia article is considered a breach of What Wikipedia is not. Dave.Dunford (talk) 16:29, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and I take exception to your accusation that my actions in reverting your edits are because I have a "partisan view masquerading as non-partisan". Nothing could be further from the truth. I actually agree with you on the issue of damage caused by off-road vehicles, but Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a soapbox or campaigning tool. Dave.Dunford (talk) 16:34, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Stating your own credentials does not establish verifiability. You must cite reliable external sources. See also WP:PRIMARY. Dave.Dunford (talk) 11:42, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added both sides of the argument in from the latest source that's been added, btw. Hchc2009 (talk) 14:48, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Strataman, could you confirm that you've read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view? Hchc2009 (talk) 16:18, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Strataman, the cited source does not state that the residents of Stoney Middleton uniformly opposed the change in 2003. It states that an unidentified number of "residents" put forward petitions against it, and that a spokesman for this grouping condemned it. It is also against Wikipedia:Neutral point of view to remove the information in the cited source that another group actively campaigned in favour of the change. Removing the date given in the cited source (this happened 10 years ago), or that the County Council made the decision to move ahead with the scheme(also in the source) is not helpful either. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:40, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Strataman, I've added the "not in source cited" tag, as the webpage concerned doesn't support the sentence you've added it to. It doesn't mention the proposed construction dates, or the link to the pacification of the north, and doesn't argue its a motte and bailey castle. It is important when adding a citation to check that it supports the claims being made in the text. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:56, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

text: "It is reasonable to infer, based on the morphology of the earthworks in Mrs Carteledges garden, that it could be an M&B." Reasonable it may be, but that sounds rather like original research to me...again, this goes back to the fundamental Wikipedia requirement that any information added should be supported by cited references, and not go beyond what those references claim. Dave.Dunford (talk) 20:19, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *Since the cited source comments on the "Stoney Middleton - Castle Hill ringwork", and notes that evidence "seems to suggest it may well be a small ringwork", it is definitely OR to suggest that it might be a Motte and Bailey instead. Hchc2009 (talk) 15:46, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *I've corrected the text to match the cited source, and removed the uncited comments about dog-fighting etc. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:00, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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