Talk:The Stars and Stripes Forever

message: I highly recommend this article be renamed "THE Stars and Stripes Forever". Due to the fact that "THE" appears on the original manuscript of the march, I believe that the redirect from The Stars and Stripes Forever to Stars and Stripes Forever should not exist... — Preceding unsigned comment added by SousaFan88 (talk • contribs) 02:58, 26 October 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment from 2004

message: This needs disambiguation because of the novel Stars and Stripes Forever by Harry Harrison. Fatfingers 02:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, I'm on it.  --NicAgent 02:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation

message: Was there at some point in history that this song was nominated to replace the Star Spangled Banner?
--ConradKilroy 03:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I believe in the 1930s, at the time Congress was debating about selecting a national anthem, there was some talk of using this march. There had not been an official anthem until that time. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 16:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is currently the Official march of the United States Counterfit 19:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: US National Anthem debate

message: In his liner notes for the "Footlifters" album from the mid-1970s, Gunther Schuller says that Sousa preferred the French "quick-step" tempo for this march (& maybe others too?). I think it sounds very nice that way and wish more people would do it at that speed, pace Horowitz. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 16:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tempo?

message: The original band parts penned by Sousa are part of the John Philip Sousa collection housed at UIUC and do not contain the word 'The' in the title.  Therefore, I propose that the article be renamed to simply Stars and Stripes Forever (march) with The Stars and Stripes Forever (march) redirecting to the article.  Comments should be made here on the article talk page. -- Upholder 23:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move (2007)

message: I have studied Sousa extensively and have never encountered this "fact".  It seems very odd.  Propose this be removed unless citation can be provided. Dlovrien (talk) 17:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Never Two Piccolos?

message: I have a distinct recollection of a shortish animated cartoon feature broadcast in England in the early 1970s, featuring the lyric:
"Be kind to your small person friends,
Every Who may be somebody's brother..."
I remember that is was based on a Dr Seuss story, so I would guess that it was the 1970 30-minute TV special Horton Hears a Who! But after 30-odd years, I really can't be sure of that. Does this ring any bells? If I'm correct, I think it would be worth a sentence. Grubstreet (talk) 22:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really think that would be worth mentioning in this article. Not every 'mention of this was made in some TV show' is notable or encyclopedic enough to appear in a Wikipedia article. AJD (talk) 15:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a 'mention in some TV show' but an alternative lyric, which I was trying to confirm was written by Theodor Seuss Geisel. As no one else seems interested, I have dug around some more, and the evidence appears to be that the words were indeed by Dr Seuss, that it was for Horton Hears a Who (TV) and that it was resurrected for the movie of the same name, which topped the US box office in March 2008. It is on sale at Amazon as an MP3 track, and elsewhere as a ringtone. But if the view in America is that Singalong With Mitch is more notable than Dr Seuss, that's just one more thing for us on my side of the Atlantic to puzzle over... Grubstreet (talk) 19:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is, it seems to me that parody lyrics for "Stars and Stripes Forever" are common enough in American culture that it would be impossible to list all of the parodies that have been written for various movies and TV shows and so on. (At present there's a mention in the article of parody lyrics that were used in a pasta commercial in the 1970s, or something, which I'm going to remove.) The "Singalong with Mitch" lyrics, however, are—in my experience—very well-known, and may even be thought of by some people as the real lyrics, and have been parodied themselves (for example, the Dr. Seuss lyrics you quote are apparently such a parody). If the lyrics you quote actually were written by Dr. Seuss, that probably is noteworthy enough to be mentioned in the article, though. AJD (talk) 19:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Other lyrics/versions

message: The tune is also known outside the US, though with different uses.  While visiting England I personally heard some football/soccer fans cheer their team with this tune (the words sounded like "Fight on, Liverpool, Liverpool!"), and I presume that's not the only use.
CharlesTheBold (talk) 19:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Outside US

message: Would it be appropriate to add a link to this animated graphical score of the piece?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx0RRdPdKcM
Musanim (talk) 19:49, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Animated/Graphical Score?

message: This article is, first and foremost, remarkable for its plethora of facts, some of them quite dubious, and its simultaneous dearth of footnotes.  One of the most dubious of these "facts" is a claim about the "official" version of the piece.  How can there be an "official" version of a work that is solidly in the public domain, and whose sole composer has been dead for many decades? --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 21:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The same way there is an official version of anything. We have the original publication. The fact that someone can change it doesn't mean there wasn't an original, and thus officially released version. — trlkly 11:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "Official"?, etc.

message: I removed a few references in the "In Popular Culture" category as non-noteable (or complete false), yet another useless one was added almost immediately.  Can we rename this category to guide people not to include one-time uses of the tune?  Some items in this category are truly notable and we should keep those. Dlovrien (talk) 02:51, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure what is the reason to remove a reference to Fleisher Popeye cartoons where the melody is featured deliberately and repeatedly. Here is an example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_m2WUFxnKU  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.141.129.185 (talk) 21:00, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

text: The original cartoon you cited ("Man on the Flying Trapeze") had no quotes from Stars And Stripes Forever at all, which sort of refutes your claim.  The one you cite above ("Let's You And Him Fight") does contain a quote from 5:25 to 5:49 (It also quote several other famous classical melodies throughout the cartoon).  The next cartoon in the list on YouTube ("Can You Take It?") contains no S&SF quote.  I don't think this justifies a repeated or notable use. Dlovrien (talk) 14:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: In Popular Culture

message: Please translate this article into Russian. 78.85.92.221 (talk) 13:52, 4 December 2011 (MSK)
:It's unlikely that anyone capable of doing this will read this request.  You would be better off posting a request on the Russian Wikipedia; see :ru:Википедия:Проект:Переводы.  Powers T 19:11, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation

message: It is currently stated as a fact that this march is "the disaster march" used by circuses, etc.  I would question this. I have read elsewhere that there are several different tunes used for this purpose, that the Stars and Stripes is not the most frequently used, and that none of these have any real or official status. Any input or comments?124.197.15.138 (talk) 07:32, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we know with reasonable certainty that it was used at least once for that purpose.  What we would need from you are some reliable sources stating that other marches are commonly used.  Powers T 15:14, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If this "fact" is being based on a single documented use, the phrase "used as a disaster march" would be more appropriate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.21.75 (talk) 21:41, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disaster March? 

message: No mention of the Boston Pops anywhere? The Stars and Stripes Forever is almost synonymous with the Boston Pops. 98.196.22.82 (talk) 03:30, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, not really.  How do you figure?  Powers T 16:04, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boston Pops? 

message: This is a warning. It is currently Independence Day in the United States. Google Doodle is featuring this theme as they celebrate the occasion. If there is ever a time when this article will receive a lot of views, it will be now. Just a warning. --Mr. Guye (talk) 16:42, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Views 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:United States#National March.  Thanks. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 07:20, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at  Talk:United States#National March

message: I detect little difference between the United States Marine Band recording and the United States Navy Band recording other than the tempo. The tempo of each recording is unremarkable since both recordings have a duration of nearly the same length. Unless an explanation of how the "Navy" recording is substantively different from the "Marine" recording, the newly added "Navy" recording should be removed. It is inappropriate to play out a Marine vs. Navy rivalry on this page.Jbh001 (talk) 23:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marine Band vs. Navy Band