Talk:Umpqua Valley AVA

message: The first USA Grüner Veltliner? 
Possible additional source "The Vintner's Kitchen" by William King, indicated as an additional source by http://www.foodchannel.com/stories/1443-review-the-vintner-s-kitchen Uncubed (talk) 23:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Source Material Needed

message: The following wineries and vineyards are located within the AVA.  I'm including this list for reference when looking for news about the AVA.
* Abacela
* Anindor Vineyards
* Becker Vineyard
* Bradley
* Brandborg Winery
* Chateau Nonchalant
* Delfino Vineyards
* Girardet Wine Cellars
* Henry Estate Winery
* HillCrest Vineyard
* Julianna Vineyards
* MarshAnne Landing
* Melrose Vineyards
* Misty Oaks Vineyard
* Palotai Vineyard and Winery
* Pyrenees Vineyard and Cellars
* Reustle-Prayer Rock Vineyards
* River's Edge
* Sienna Ridge Estate
* Spangler Vineyards
* Wild Rose  
Uncubed (talk) 21:10, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Wineries and Vineyards

message: You have a nice start so far. I would recommend taking a look at other developed wine region articles like Red Mountain AVA, Russian River Valley AVA, Côte Chalonnaise, Valpolicella, etc for an idea of what type of content (and sources) that are useful to have in these types of articles. Personally I am a huge stickler for sources and if I can't find a source for an item, I just remove it or transfer it to the talk page (like you did here). My belief is if it is a truly notable, encyclopedic detail than a source will eventually emerge and the detail can go back into the article. So if you can't find good, reliable sources for Doerner Farm just take it out. Don't be afraid to just start the article from scratch if you have a good source in front you. As for the details about the grapes, I think there is some notability in being one of the view US wine regions to grow Gruner Veltliner and one of the few in Oregon to grow something other than Burgundy and Alsatian wine grapes but, yes, I agree with you that the context of that notability should be made clear. AgneCheese/Wine 03:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for stopping by, taking the time to look things over and posting your thoughts.  I agree Doerner farm is a neat nugget however I can't find anything to back it other than other wikis and the like.  The next time I'm in Douglas County I'll stop by the museum.  They have (or at least had) an exhibit on wine, mostly local and a bit historical.  If the exhibit talks about this I'll see if I can find out who put the exhibit together and see if they have sources for the information.  Regarding grapes do you have recommendations for sources regarding the grapes a region produces?  I could reference 101 winery/vineyard web pages to account for product but I know business pages are often avoided as reference material. The fact that they produce Grüner Veltliner I can personally verify, I've been to the winery mentioned.  That said I know the statement about it being the first commercial US Grüner Veltliner will likely be contentious so I will find more than just the one news paper article.  I've looked at a few AVA articles but not many, I'll check out your recommendations as time allows. Uncubed (talk) 08:47, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments