Talk:Cristal (wine)

message: There seems to be some deliberation on whether Cristal is sold in a crystal (i.e. lead crystal) bottle. The bottle text itself mentions that the original version was served to the Russian Czar in a "crystal decanter", but makes no mention of the current bottle being as much. The article also makes the assertion that, to have a flat bottomed bottle (as Cristal demonstratably does) it would need to be made of lead crystal. And yet the article on lead crystal seems to insinuate that storing consumable liquids in lead crystal for long periods of time could (or will) lead to lead poisoning. Non of these viewpoints are reconcilable. Anybody know what is what? 82.198.152.34 (talk) 03:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead crystal?

message: -- In the French language, the word "sec" means dry, not sweet as stated in the article. If you check the article on Champagne, you'll see an explanation that " throughout the 19th century and into the early 20th century Champagne was generally much sweeter than what we see today." Therefore, I'm guessing that the Russians liked it DRY, not sweet, because that would be different from normal at the time.Em dee aitch 21:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction on "sec" versus "sweet"

message: -- umm, the word 'translucent' doesn't make sense in this context; I'm replacing it with 'opaque.'
:Ummm, I think you're mistaken here. Wine bottles in general are translucent; Cristal comes inside a cellphane wrapper that protects it somewhat, but the bottle itself is not opaque like with Brut. See http://images.winecommune.com/lotImage/831831849.jpg or http://www.karstadt.de/shop/_im1/dbimages/we/9/3114080043059_g.jpg -- nae'blis (talk) 21:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: translucent vs. opaque

message: I appreciate the attempts at sourcing but I don't think idle mentions in rap songs back up the claim of any special status of the wine in the Hip hop culture. What would be needed is a reliable source, independent, third party source that makes the direct connection that "Cristal assumed a place of prominence in Hip hop culture". Without that we have WP:OR synthesis that is making the connection. I am going to remove the OR claim and create a separate header for the "Trivia" mentions since they are sourced. AgneCheese/Wine 15:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent work on the source! Much better now. AgneCheese/Wine 08:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does this section really need seven examples of reference to Cristal in rap lyrics? Three would be overkill; something like the first and sixth would be plenty. There's none at all at Hip-hop culture... it's basically way to much. Whereas hiphop is "big" on Cristal, Cristal is a Champagne and wine (not music) should be the dominant topic here. Now that we have Champagne in popular culture, we have a more natural home for this kind of info. I'm going to expand the "placement" and "music" sections there to incorporate stuff that appears in the hip-hop culture article and would suggest the couple of quotes I mentioned be moved from here to there. --mikaultalk 13:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Jay-Z thinks Roederer's comment was "racist"? Maybe he just rather not have his refined product being associated with crass individuals who wear baggy pants. Who cannot speak the English language properly, and a is violent criminal. Has he ever thought about that? Doubt it. Know'wa be sayin' dawg?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.73.240.111 (talk) 15:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I came for factual information regarding overpaid entertainers. Is that the entirety of Roederer's comment? Why is there no mention of the Cristal boycott in the hip hop community? Why don't you sign with four tildes as per talk page guidelines? 203.139.196.109 (talk) 05:31, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hip Hop culture

message: The article on lead glass includes a small section at the end about how lead crystal containers leach lead into the liquids they contain. Is this still an issue with Cristal bottles, and if not why not? -- Arvedui (talk) 06:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that the glass in the bottles in Cristal is lead crystal, so lead leaching shouldn't be a problem. I don't think I have ever heard of lead crystal used for wine bottles (as opposed to wine glasses). Tomas e (talk) 19:36, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: lead crystal bottles

message: The one article currently cited regarding Jay-Z's boycott, , indicates that the offending comments were in an Economist article, .  However, those quotes are in text (notoriously difficult to interpret the nuance of), out of context of the greater conversation (which could be exculpatory or damning), interpreted by the journalist (by the nature of such things), and likely either a translation or spoken in a second language.  Further, the comments as they appear seem like typically noncommittal PR blather, and don't clearly indicate any position by Rouzaud, positive or negative. Acknowledging that racism is often veiled, it still seems unsupported to encyclopedically identify Rouzaud's comments as negative, though room for negative interpretation by individuals does exists in my view, for what it's worth.  I cited the Economist article and clarified the ambiguous nature of the comments.  If other statements by Rouzaud exist supporting a negative view on his part, they should be referenced, and cited.  Otherwise, while a backlash certainly existed, a negative attitude on Rouzaud's part has yet to be established. ENeville (talk) 19:14, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rouzaud comments 

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message: The link to the original source stating an 1876 date of creation is dead. On the other hand, the origin story stated clearly links the wine to the Three Emperors Dinner, which happened 9 years earlier. Does anyone have better sources one way or the other? Lockesdonkey (talk) 06:35, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  1876 date