Talk:SR West Country and Battle of Britain classes

message: Good morning (GMT time); I have reviewed this article on 23:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:GA|Good Article]] [[WP:GAC|'''Nomination''']] 

message: Please note: Details of individual class members and preserved locomotives are located on their own page to keep the article tidy and uncluttered.  Please refer to List of SR West Country Class locomotives link.  Thank you for your assistance in this matter. --Bulleid Pacific 20:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: Preserved locomotives 

message: When passed for FA, the Rebuilding section was a level 3 heading, a subsection of Construction history. An editor has since promoted this to Level 2, which seems OK at first glance, but other users' views are sought.
Should Rebuilding be a stand-alone section or a sub-section? -- EdJogg (talk) 13:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rebuilding Section 

message: Much of the information in the second infobox (the one for the rebuilt class) duplicates that given in the first. What do other people think about restricting the contents of the second infobox to those items that have changed, possibly with a note that all other specifications are unchanged?
--Das48 (talk) 12:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know on this one, I think (as you rightly point out) that its just as important to show what was kept the same, although merely writing a note saying what remains unchanged would necessitate the reader to scroll upwards to access this data, therefore running the risk of losing their place in the article (it happens to me a lot). Keeping it would therefore ease accessibility for the reader. --Bulleid Pacific (talk) 20:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be inclined to keep it as is. The text should fully cover the differences, and the infobox neatly collates the parameters in one place. Having a second ('full-length') infobox emphasises that the rebuilt locomotives were substantially different -- a smaller infobox would not be as noticeable. -- EdJogg (talk) 22:20, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree - limiting it to the parameters that have changed emphasises that is about a rebuild, it would impinge less on the text that has nothing to do with the rebuild, even a shortish infobox is pretty noticeable, and finally, a quick reading of the page could give the impression that there are two classes of locomotive (see question on classes below). Robevans123 (talk) 23:13, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox for rebuilt locomotives

message: :The most important journey undertaken by a member of the class occurred on 30 January 1965, when No.34051 Winston Churchill hauled the funeral train of its namesake from London's Waterloo station to his final resting place, close to Blenheim Palace in Oxfordshire.
I do not think that was the most important journey of any of the members of the class. That is ridiculous. I mean they were wartime engines and certainly performed many more useful things than hauling a VIP cask. Do you think they will be remembered for that?? Just get rid of it, no? 194.246.46.15 (talk) 13:42, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wartime engines? Hardly. 21C101 Exeter entered service in May 1945, so could possibly have been a wartime engine; the rest entered service between June 1945 (ie after the war in Europe had ended) and January 1951. Churchill was one of the most important statesmen that the UK has ever had; he was a commoner, yet was accorded a full state funeral. This was definitely a documented, notable event. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:48, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

text: I would change "important" to "high profile" for a more encyclopedic style 81.178.163.89 (talk) 01:44, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  one hundred and ten locomotives and a funeral 

message: What's the difference between a West Country and Battle of Britian class? I'm asking because they are classified as different, but both forms look similar. Dinoboyaz (talk) 22:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely nothing, apart from the shape of the nameplate (and of course the naming theme). Some books claim that the difference in the width of the cabs (the first seventy had cabs 8 ft 6 in wide, the last forty were 9 ft 0 in wide) was also the difference between the two "classes", but both blocks included both WC & BB locos. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:06, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Although identical in all respects other than their names, there was a difference in their intended area of use. The West Country class were originally intended for use on lines to Bournemouth and  West of Salisbury, whereas the Battle of Britain class were intended for use on lines in Kent and Sussex. However in practice it never became a practical to restrict individual locomotives to one area.--Das48 (talk) 17:38, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As mentioned previously, the class distinction is reflected by the name carried by the locomotive, rather than any mechanical/aesthetic difference. However, the class distinction is carried by each locomotive (note the images within the 'Naming and numbering' section), and is carried beneath the actual name/crest. --Bulleid Pacific (talk) 23:57, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the difference? 

message: The lead links "air smoothed" to streamlined, even though there is considerable text in the body that questions this statement. The term, both in this article and others in print, appears to refer to a styling note that appears on a limited set of locos in the UK, and was used nowhere else that I can see, nor was it generically used to refer to streamlined locos in general - the Mallard for instance. Unless anyone strongly disagrees, I will remove the linkage in the lead and leave it to the discussion area below.. Maury Markowitz (talk) 10:51, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Bulleid always used the term "air-smoothed", not "streamlined". I gather there were two main reasons for this: (i) unlike the wedge-shaped front of the LNER "A4" or the domed front of the LMS "Coronation", the upright flat front end was hardly suitable for overcoming air resistance; (ii) gimmicks like streamlining would not have been good publicity at a time of national crisis. One stated reason for the air-smoothed casing was so that the loco could be cleaned using a carriage washer - these have about three revolving brushes like an automatic car wash. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:33, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air-smoothed 

message: Should the title not be Southern Railway? Difficultly north (talk) - Simply south alt. 17:01, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: SR does indeed stand for Southern Railway, but it seems to be a convention in articles about UK railway locomotives to abbreviate the railway name. See . --Redrose64 (talk) 17:30, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  SR 

message: What's the route availability for these classes? I'm asking because for some odd reason, it isn't listed. Dinoboyaz (talk) 21:45, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because none was allotted. The RA system was devised by the LNER, and after nationalisation used by the Eastern and North Eastern Regions, and extended to cover the whole of the Scottish Region. Only later on - and certainly after the end of steam - was the system extended to the whole of BR. --Redrose64 (talk) 01:46, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Route Availablity? 

message: I believe this article needs to be split into two covering rebuilt and unrebuilt engines.  Let me know any comments.   Tony May (talk) 03:02, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not up to FA status anyway  (well, it probably is, but that's because GA/FA are always inadequate at judging content, rather than formatting). There's nothing like enough on the rebuilding to adequately cover that. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting this article 

message: If folks feel it is well short of FA status, it is worth discussing and thinking about FAR. I have no familiarity with subject matter so discuss away....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:39, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential FAR? 

message: To change the current location of 34070 Manston from Swanage Railway to Tyseley Locomotive Works, please see Southern Locomotives newsupdates January, April and June that talk about the Loco's location http://www.southern-locomotives.co.uk/News/news.html I have also spent some time this year working on the locomotive at the named location Ethycraft (talk) 23:17, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:22, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2019 

message: I would like to add In popular culture 24.35.59.183 (talk) 14:17, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Volteer1 (talk) 14:42, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2021 

message: Add In Popular Culture 24.35.59.183 (talk) 14:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 14:52, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2021 

message: its august and eddystone is already operational, can someone fix it. 73.250.53.193 (talk) 16:37, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  eddystone is operational 

message: Add a section that explains the appearance of SR West Country and Battle of Britain class in fiction, Most notably in the Thomas And Friends TV series, see  from Thomas The Tank Engine Wikia; Fandom ("Rebecca is based on a Southern Railway (SR) "West Country" and "Battle of Britain" class (also known as "Light Pacifics"), a class of 4-6-2 tender locomotives designed by Oliver Bulleid and built between 1945 and 1951.") and  ("Rebecca is a member of the Steam Team and helps Gordon pull the Express during busy periods, but otherwise performs mixed traffic duties on the Main Line.").
Suggested wording with citations:
The character Rebecca from the Thomas And Friends television series is based on an unrebuilt  West Country/Battle of Britain class. 
Rb gumadlas (talk) 10:42, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Independent secondary sources are needed to show this is noteworthy. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

text: See also WP:IPC. ==Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:47, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Fiction Appearances