Talk:American Idol season 5/Archive 1

message: Should it be moved to a new page, American Idol (Season 5) Contestants, with others mentioned there as well? CrazyC83 05:50, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Going to Hollywood section 

message: Should contestants that do not have their own articles be redirected to their section on this page? It's already been done for Rhonetta Johnson (consensus: merge/redirect). For all articles, if there is a conflict with someone else, (American Idol contestant) should be added after the name to separate them. CrazyC83 15:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that (singer) would be a more appropriate disambiguation indicator, one that's been used in the past.  See Amy Adams, for instance. -- MisterHand 16:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, I'll change all the red links that say such - if there is still a conflict, I'll make it (American Idol singer). Also for the "blooper" auditions, (comedian) should be used (i.e. Mary Roach - which already conflicts). CrazyC83 19:30, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Why do some of the contestant semi-finalists link to American Idol (Season 5) semi-finalists. Should they not just link to the contestant pages directly. It's a misleading re-direct. If they don't have their own page, they shouldn't be redirected to an alternate page, just cos it's 'kind of similar'/ Timclare 19:27, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contestant redirects 

message: *Finalist: Definitely create the article and keep it.
*Semi-finalist: Make the article now, keep it for now (even as a stub) and then wait out and see if it becomes noteworthy.
*Cut in Hollywood or earlier: Make the link as a redirect to the season page (to make it easier to find and to make it so that it can be placed on other pages - i.e. List of American Idol contestants) unless the contestant is noteworthy elsewhere. (Note: if the contestant has a mention on another article for some reason (i.e. hometown), it should link under his or her name, i.e. Brooke Barrettsmith - which would be a redirect) CrazyC83 03:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur as well. With the added note that I see no reason semifinalists can't have a page like the list of characters from The Mighty Boosh with sections for each semifinalist detailing their AI involvement and link to longer articles with further, non-AI information when applicable, or links to their finalist articles when applicable. --Emperial 05:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we get into a dispute about keeping articles after the show, I'd play it safe and maintain them. Several semi-finalists (Kristin Holt, Judd Harris, Matthew Metzger, Ashley Hartman) have been notable enough to clearly keep them, and a few others (Lisa Leuschner, for example) are borderline...also one that had been eliminated in Hollywood (Alan Ritchson) has AI as just a small part of a long resume warranting an article. CrazyC83 06:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd recommend a single article for all semifinalists together, since there's not really all that much to say about each one. That said, I don't really care that much - as they fade from the limelight, their articles will vanish or be consolidated in the end anyway. Deco 23:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: My view: by status

message: I think that the American Idol (Season 5) semi-finalists page should be merged with American Idol (Season 5) because there's no point in having the semi-finalist page anymore.  They already announced the top 12, and all the contestants who made it into the top 12 received their articles back.  What do you guys think? Va girl2468 03:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Opposed the merge; instead give the contestants their own articles and delete that article. CrazyC83 16:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright then.  Majority rules.  I replaced the merge tag that someone else put with a deletion tag. Va girl2468 04:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually changed my mind on this one and think it should be a redirect. But if it gets deleted I certainly won't be upset. -- MisterHand 14:29, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Suggestion, can we have the birthdate of the 24 beside their picture, for example if Taylor looks 40, to some, or Gedeon looks 30, to some, then a quick (born 19**) is informative. Bib 12:31, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: American Idol (Season 5) semi-finalists

message: I was under the impression that the producers were making no distinction between the Bottom 3 and the Bottom 2 in these early stages of the finals. In other words, they did not make it aware in Week 1 whether Ace Young or Lisa Tucker actually got the 11th-most votes. All the audience was told is that Ace was safe first, then Lisa, but that was not necessarily the actual order of finish. Therefore, in the elimination chart, no distinction should be made, except that both Ace and Lisa were in the Bottom 3. Anybody agree? --Zpb52 13:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree 100% and was going to make the change without discussion, but since you brought it up I'll let it go until there's consensus (or no one else responds). ⇒ BRossow T/C 14:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I think you're right. The way things were worded, at no time did they say that Lisa Tucker got less votes than Ace. We should keep both at "Bottom 3" and continue to do that until the show explicitly makes the distinction. -- MisterHand 14:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Thank you, whoever did that—but are you positive that Ace was third from last a week ago?  --zenohockey 03:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

text: They like to jack up the shock value of results, so yes if a favorite ends up third from last, you can be sure they will be left hanging to the last two.   Wasted Time R 04:01, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was about to bring up this issue. I think we should make the distinction between "bottom 3" and "bottom 2" (or perhaps word it some other way). The information on who was "saved" first should be kept, but a note at the bottom could clarify that it is not always known whether the last saved member of the bottom 3 necessarily received the second-lowest number of votes. Also, consistency is important here, as right now there is one case (last week's) where both bottom 3 and bottom 2 are listed as bottom 3, and I saw at least one instance in which the notes on the individual contestant bios did not match the chart. -VJ 04:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that it is important that we indicate who was 'saved' first. The note at the bottom sounds like a good middle road between having this information and making sure we don't make invalid assumptions. Does anyone have an actual record of who Ryan declared as bottom 2? Uvapip 13:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bottom 3/Bottom 2 

message: The elimination history chart looks great, but I think it's gonna be really too big by the end of the season. Does  anyone have any ideas to make this smaller/shorter?  Otherwise, I tend to think we should go back to the way it's been before, see the season 4 article. shaile 17:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elimination History 

message: What the source for the statements that the contestants will sing Queen songs and that Queen will appear? -- MisterHand 14:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queen theme 

message: What's the citation for this statement?
: When Fuel heard Daughtry sing Hemorrhage (In My Hands), they offered him the role of lead singer of their group, but Daughtry declined the offer.
Thanks. -- MisterHand 14:52, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuel lead singer? 

message: The following note was added below the elimination chart: "Three contestants have never appeared in the Bottom 3: Chris Daughtry, Taylor Hicks, and Kellie Pickler." It was removed with the comment "this is information which can be determined by looking at the chart". 
While it's true that this information can be surmised from the chart, it's a bit obtuse to do so. This small comment merely makes the information clear, and I don't think it takes away from the page in any way. Any thoughts on this? -- MisterHand 14:52, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bottom 3? 

message: I guess any thing can be defined as trivia.  Why are the two trivia statements about the number of contestants in the semis and finals per state even interesting?  Who cares?  I tried reading the list but couldn't, my eyes and brain started to hurt.  --Easter Monkey 06:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivial trivia 

message: I don't know about you, but I liked the previous table better than the current one that is not up to date. I think we should consider reverting. Cheesehead Fan
:I reverted it. Chantessy 02:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki table

message: Question...Why (since last week) has it taken longer to put the songs the Idols sing up on the page? I usually put them in a newsletter I send out but havent been able to. If anyone could let me know that would be cool. Not to be mean or trying to cause trouble, just curious. Zach 01:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Chantessy broke them without even mentioning it here. I am reverting, the songs are useful. Lapinmies 16:48, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songs 

message: Would this be appropriate for the article space? I'm guessing not.. (the hillbilly one seems pejorative, anything better, more polite?).
Archetypes, stereotypes and stock characters of AI contestants as portrayed on the show:
Contestant      	Archetype
Ace Young       	Boyband heartthrob
Bucky Covington 	Hillbilly
Chris Daughtry  	Rocker
Elliott Yamin   	Nice Jewish boy
Katharine McPhee	Privileged child
Kellie Pickler  	Ditzy blonde/Southern belle
Kevin Covais    	Chicken Little
Lisa Tucker     	Girl next door
Mandisa         	Diva
Paris Bennett   	Tomboy
Taylor Hicks    	Blue-eyed soul
:I like this idea, but it should be expanded to include the stereotypes from previous seasons as well. Evan Reyes 01:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stock characters 

message: Is there any reference for the statement that Taylor Hicks received the highest percentage of votes in the May 16 vote (33.68%)? (Comments and calculations in the Trivia section.)  Only Elliott Yamin's name was associated with one of the percentages on the results show. If there's no confirmation that Taylor Hicks was the top vote-getter, the entire subsection should be eliminated. 208.20.220.72 21:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced speculation about results?

message: Should DialIdol be forked into its own page? The section is referenced and when Season 6 roles, Wikipedians can reference that page; Yeah nay or wait? --Supercoop 20:10, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DialIdol 

message: I really think we should nominate this article for a Wikipedia article of the day or some sort of article award. We have worked very hard on this article and it looks great! Any thoughts? Cheesehead Fan 20:21, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No such award really exists. --Woohookitty(meow) 05:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Award for this Article 

message: I just took out most of the "Finale Rundown" section. It was unencyclopedic and just plain ugly...and unneeded. Season 4 had a one paragraph summary of the proceedings. That's all we need for season 5 as well. Leave the song by song rundowns for fan sites. --Woohookitty(meow) 07:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Finale 

message: I just removed a bunch of early auditioners. If something makes them notable, they should be included. Otherwise, we really shouldn't list them here. We're not a fansite nor a listing of every person who auditioned. --Woohookitty(meow) 05:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auditioners 

message: When I was reading this article, I saw the part about the songs Kevin sang. I noticed that it said that the song "When I Fall in Love" was by Nat King Cole. However, I remember that when that clip with Kevin telling the audience what song he would be singing, he said that it was by Doris Day and it was from 1952. I then clicked on the link th the song's article and saw that it was recorded by many people and I don't know what name should go next to the name of the song. --Evan Robidoux 14:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about the song "[[When I Fall in Love (song)|When I Fall in Love]]" 

message: The talk page for the former Template:AI5ElimHist is now at Talk:American Idol (Season 5)/AI5ElimHist. Tinlinkin 16:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former AI5ElimHist template 

message: Can somebody find the sales figures for the compilation album?
(222.254.192.66 06:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 5 Encores 

message: Are we considering Elliott Yamin's album to be a major release or a minor one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 221.133.24.3 (talk) 08:37, 9 February 2007 (221.133.24.3 08:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yamin album classification? 

message: There are far too many fair use images on this page. The images of the contestants are unnecessary, particularly since there is usually only one sentence each of accompanying text. Perhaps you'd like to choose yourselves which to remove. I suggest losing half of the images. The JPStalk to me 06:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use images 

message: Notice how some of the rows on the right side of the chart stick out like that? And the grey portions of the rows don't align correctly at the right either. Anyone know how to fix it? MarkMc1990 05:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elimination Chart is disfigured 

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