Talk:Hassan Nasrallah/Archive 1

message: This section of the article reads " During another appearance on Al-Manar on February 23, Nasrallah praised a leading European Holocaust denier, David Irving, for having “denied the existence of gas chambers.” "  <-- This is simply untrue. Nasrallah was NOT "praising" Irving. That speech was given on the heels of the publications of the Danish newspaper cartoons that insulted the Prophet Mohammad and infact, right after the Samarrah bombing incident in Iraq. Nasrallah's point was that Irving, who published what he did with regard to the holocaust was not afforded full "freedom of speech" and was jailed despite having retracted his comments during the course of his trial because he denied aspects of the holocaust, where as the publisher and cartoonist and editor of the newspapers that published those cartoons which Muslims worldwide took offense to, enjoyed "freedom of speech" and used that as their excuse to insult the Prophet of Islam. Nasrallah was NOT praising Irving at all, and infact his comments have nothing to do with his "views on Jews" but rather his views on the hypocrisy of the Western world and the concept of "freedom of speech." 
Furthermore, this section also states " "Jews invented the legend of the Holocaust," said Nasrallah on April 9, 2000. " This section is miquoted (or mistranslated to be more precise). Here is an accurate translation of that entire section of Nasrallah's speech:
"The Jews invented the legend of the Nazi atrocities. It is clear that the numbers they talk about are greatly exaggerated. They can speak of fabricated or exaggerated massacres that occurred during the Second World War, but we must forget the massacres that they committed against us and the peoples of the region which are documented and proven..."
First of all, Nasrallah never used the term "holocaust" (or its Arabic equivilant hareeqah rather). Second of all, his continuation clarifies the context of his comments. He was NOT denying the actuall happening of the holocaust but rather saying that certian aspects of its severity or magnitude are "greatly exaggerated" and contrasting this with the proven and documented atrocities and massacres that are taking place in the Arab world. Again, this has very little to do with his personal "views on Jews" and rather has to do with what he sees as hypocrisy and double standards towards certian aspects of relatice similtude when you are dealing with a Westerner or a Jew on one hand compared with a Muslim or an Arab on the other.
As for the citation that is used, it is undeniable that the opinionated, heavily biased, and innacurate nature of Steven Stalinsky's articles do not in any may meet Wikipedia's standards for authentic and credible citations on which facts are supported. Stalinsky has made a career out of his pro-Zionist writing, and here he is commenting (or rather spreading innacuracies and lies) about the head of an anti-Zionist movement. 
In addition, I would also like to bring into question the section where Amal Saad-Ghorayeb supposedly quotes Nasrallah. This "quote" is taken from her book Hizbullah: Politics and Religion. The supposed "quote" appears on page 170 of her book and if you follow the footnotes, she writes that it is this quote is taken from Mohammad Fneish who allegedly "heard" Nasrallah saying so, and related this to her. So basically, Amal Saad-Ghorayeb never heard Nasrallah say any such thing, and infact Mohammad Fneish himself has vehemenantly denied hearing or relating any such thing from Nasrallah to Amal Saad-Ghorayeb. This basically dissolves Ghorayeb's claims of any authenticity or reliability, and this type of citation does not in any way meet wikipedia's standards. Thus, I think that it is quite clear that this section of the article is clearly biased, innacurate, and needs to be removed. ~~Mirsad, 15 August, 2006.
Drsmoo 03:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Views on Jews 

message: On July 14th, 2006 Hassan Nasrallah stated:
 "We are ready for it -- war, war on every level,"
He did not make an open declaration of war against Israel. He only alluded to the fact that it's Israel's decision on where this situation is going end.Ddahlberg 19:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open war 

message: Hi.
Nasrallah does NOT lives in South Beirut anymore
and the house does not exists anymore.
this happend in the past few days.
:Obviously, but it's not the crucial point in this present crisis where H. N. lives or what is his current address. If you do know this please add it to the article, otherwise any comments are unuseful. IMRE 19:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nasrallah does not live in South Beirut anymore 

message: Paragraph four under "Leadership of Hezbollah" states that "UN Resolution 1559, calls for the withdrawal of non-Lebanese forces (i.e. Syria), which some say does not apply to Hezbollah because it is a legitimate political party in Lebanon holding 23 seats."  This suggests that the entire resolution may be inapplicable to Hezbollah, which is patently false.  UNSCR 1559 also calls for "the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias."  This includes Hezbollah as well as the remaining Palestinian militias that operate both in and outside of the major Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon.  UNSCR 1559 also refers, albeit obliquely, to Hezbollah in calling for "the extension of the control of the Government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory."  Hezbollah maintains de facto control over much of south Lebanon, where the group boasts a supportive political constituency and maintains an armed presence.  
Suggest changing sentence one of paragraph four of this section to:
UN Resolution 1559 calls for the "the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias" and "the extension of the control of the Government of Lebanon over all Lebanese territory."  This refers directly to Hezbollah whose military wing, as an armed force not controlled by the Lebanese government, constitutes a militia.  Hezbollah also maintains de facto control over parts of south Lebanon, preventing the government and from exercising a monopoly of force within the country and asserting its control over Lebanon's southern border with Israel.
This article appears to be strongly biased - at the very least this sentence needs to be changed.  I have never heard anyone argue before that UNSCR 1559 does not apply to Hezbollah.  If one were to claim that it does not because Hezbollah holds 23 seats in the Lebanese government, that would imply that Hezbollah constitutes an official army of Lebanon or the Lebanese government.  However, no one, not even the Lebanese government takes this position, as Lebanon has frequently requested a cease-fire in the ongoing conflict with the claim that it does not in any way control Hezbollah and is therefore not responsible for its attacks on Israel. 
--LostInTranslation 16:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification on UNSCR 1559 

message: Can we please find a photo of Nasrallah?  Using a photo of a billboard is inappropriate for a few reasons, including 1) it is a photo of a painting, and therefore it's accuracy is suspect. and 2) the painting used is a glorification billboard commonly seen in the middle-east and to use it as Wikipedia's sole representation of the man violates the article's neutral POV.
If there was a normal photo of the man at the top with a caption of his name, and then lower down there was an image of this billboard explaining about where the billboard was and about these forms of propaganda - that would be fine.
--Drewson99 16:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of Nasrallah 

message: To whoever can edit Nasrallah's page, please note that the 2 links at the bottom of the page contain commas at the end, which causes thw "page not found" message when they are clicked.
Cheers,
Aimable
: Fixed. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invalid links 

message: Killing is not the same as murder.
Murder is typically pre-meditated and malicious in intent.  The intention of an act causing the death of another is what separates killing from murder from negligence.  The government AND people of Israel have repeated time and again that Israel will discontinue their operations in Lebanon when Hezbollah stands down as the Hezbollah is a clear and present threat to Israeli citizens.  Here testimony to Hezbollah's intent:
(Click Link to View Video Clip http://www.Memri.org)
Here's the intent of Hezbollah:
* 5/15/2004   Nasrallah / Hezbollah Crowd: Death to America
* 2/18/2005   Nasrallah Speach to tens of thousands: Death to Israel... Death to America (Crowd) Death to America! Death to America!
* 2/23/2006   Nasrallah Speech Inciting crowd of thousands   America America You are the Great Satan! Death to America!
* 7/16/2006   Nasrallah: We are waging the battle of the Islamic nation, whether we like it or not, whether the Lebanese like it or not.
Labaneh 19:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Difference between Killing and Murder is intent