Talk:George Church (geneticist)

message: * This page could be moved to the corresponding User page, if that is the more appropriate place for it, but the bots don't seem to permit such a move nor enable compliance with the request that "poorly sourced must be removed immediately". George Church 02:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: That I have given up trying to have the general, objective expectations of this venue—that people to not create and populate the articles about themselves and their loved ones, because it leads to inevitable bias—apply to the pair of your personal articles. It seems, in the same sense that the founder of Wikipedia can post immediate edits based on his first hand (unpublished, and so unverifiable) experiences in clear defiance of founding policies, it is simply true that rules applied by consensus evolve to be applied selectively, and seemingly least-wise to those with position or power. I would simply encourage you and your spouse to find a way, other than those used in the past (of cross-editing and maintaining each others WP articles), and so abide by the neutral, independent sourcing policies and aims of this site—even if the site itself cannot consistently hold itself to that standard. That said, I would reiterate what I said during the course of the COI/OR dispute, that while I have been critical, on principle, of the self/spouse maintained BLP content, I am truly a "fan" of your and your spouse's illustrious efforts and bodies of work. Cheers, and best wishes for that and for health and productivity in your pursuits in 2015.  Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 05:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Wanted to let you know

message: I just nominated this photo for deletion.--FeralOink (talk) 03:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong. The image is there on the profile, in one of zip files. It is PD, then. kashmiri TALK 11:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Issue addressed, see the link in the initial comment from FerO. Cheers, glad this was a matter quickly settled.  Le Prof  71.239.87.100 (talk) 03:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Image issue addressed

message: The following image is moved here because the legend provided lacks meaning ("How does one portray a role..."?); and without guidance (sources indicating when and where it was taken), no legend can easily be composed. In addition, the photograph adds little to the foregoing and following images—there is no striking difference in appearance, age, etc. that is captured. Hence, I think it can simple remain omitted. Perhaps more appropriate would be Church-created images in the public domain that capture principal ideas from his research. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 04:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Second of three images of title subject moved to Talk

message: There is one question about the word “fabricated”. The current version say that the Daily Mail “fabricated a "Want-Ad", but their story ran 3 days after the MIT Tech Review story.  If the issue is the connotation of the word, then a word like “constructed”, “reported” or “declared” could be substituted.
The image in question, I agree, doesn’t add much. 
The "proposed new content" reference change looks appropriate. There are 6 citations needed.  If the text is changed slightly, then appropriate citations can be assigned (see below).
George Church (talk) 15:47, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Remaining Issues

message: As above, please investigate and perform individual edits, or extend edits as you see fit based on sources, marking each  or  as the case may be. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 18:33, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  and then .  The only content I could find in Brock is that "He [Church] took a summer course in quantum physics at Massachusetts Institute of Technology and then began a job in Sung-Hou Kim’s crystallography lab." This is not historical information, as it lacks the dates and detail to allow it to be useful here, and indeed, prima facie, appears to incorrectly suggest Prof Kim at MIT. If there is mention elsewhere in Brock related to this sentence, please indicate. But note, in the long run, even this would need to be replaced, as it is interview information, which is self-referential, and is generally no a good source for historical encyclopedic content. However, ultimately, in following up a further point below, I found reference to S-H Kim and Duke, and was able to add a citation here.  Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:30, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: . While not perfect, Brock is sufficient for NSF, and Miller for being at Duke.  Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:50, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

text: .  Note, , this type of minor copyedit is something that you can go ahead and do without pause (for there is no neutrality or verifiability issue that could be raised). Cheers. Le Prof  Leprof 7272 (talk) 18:33, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

text: .  Perfect. Only ask next time that we be provided with a usable, full citation, rather than just the URL (as we strive to avoid the appearance of Upstairs, Downstairs modes of collaboration here).  Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:50, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

text: .  Not fixed above; citation URL remains broken. This sentence has three sources and edits, and for its complexity, and the work involved, is moved to a separate Talk section below.  Leprof 7272 (talk) 18:33, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourcing for needed information, provided by Prof Church, for editors use, '''''Part II'''''

message: The Refimprove tag could be removed today, from the "Early life and training" section, see . This is a milestone, a challenging one to achieve (given the article state and the ambiguity of many sources as to historical detail). But having reached it, it is a good step toward having this article fully sourced with independent review of the material. Only the call to expand remains in this section, which aims to have all aspects of training relatively uniformly covered in this section. Cheers to all involved and helping reach this milestone. Please continue the pattern of only adding new material to this (and other) sections,  with sources, as work proceeds. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 22:04, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Milestone: Refimprove tag removed from Section 

message: The COI tag could be removed today, from the head of the article, in the multiple issues markup, see . This is a milestone, and is based on a solid month or more of collaborative work with prior COI contributors, who are now working with other editors to migrate the article toward independence, and full sourcing. This too was challenging one to achieve, given the state to the article, and its history, but thanks are due in large part to Prof Church for fostering this evolution in the direction of good, independent encyclopedic writing (and WP policy compliance). This step toward having the article fully sourced with independent review of the material is one that can continue, with absence this COI tag, as long as no party too close to the title subject appears and begins to edit with narrow source reviews or aims. Cheers to all involved and helping reach this milestone. Please all, continue the pattern of only proposing new material here in Talk, if you are closely connected to the title person, allowing other editors to review and add the content; and again, only make additions  with clear sources, as work proceeds. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 22:04, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Milestone: COI tag removed from Multiple Issues/Article 

message: In order to improve the sourcing and emphasis on the commercial side, I am asking for sources/articles that reflect the five or so most important companies that have arisen from GM Church's commercial ventures, so that at least these sources can be quickly added to the article, and can be reflected in the lede. (Current companies listed in lede are artifactual in the criteria for their selection; they are simply those for which clear commercial aims were already available at time of lede rewrite, in this case through wikilinks to WP articles on the companies). The aim would be to replace these with companies with clear sourcing indicating important business and scientific contributions. Cheers, reply here.  Leprof 7272 (talk) 22:39, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for information, companies of greatest impact

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message: the dead link (ref #1) could be replaced by: 
http://www.recode.net/2014/12/8/11633602/the-time-traveler-george-church-is-racing-into-the-future-and
The Daily Mail fabricated ... should be  ...  The MIT Technology Review fabricated
http://technologyreview.com/view/510071/wanted-surrogate-for-neanderthal-baby  (Date of Tech Review precedes date of Daily Mail by 3 days)
He co-developed Multiplex Automated Genome Engineering (MAGE) and optimized CRISPR/Cas9 discovered by Jennifer Doudna and Emanuelle Charpentier for engineering a variety of genomes ranging from yeast to human 
... should be ...
He co-developed Multiplex Automated Genome Engineering (MAGE) with Harris Wang and Farren Isaacs.  He co-developed (with Prashant Mali and Luhan Yang) homologous recombination in human stem cells using Cas9  (discovered by Rodolphe Barrangou and others) plus CRISPR single-guide-RNA (discovered by Martin Jinek, Jennifer Doudna, Emanuelle Charpentier, and others).
Church has co-founded 9 companies  ... should be  ... Church has co-founded 13 companies  ... Adding
http://www.editasmedicine.com/our-team
http://www.egenesisbio.com/founding-team.html
https://www.readcoor.com
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message: Hi all,
Under the "Research" section and "Technology transfer and translational Impact" subsection, several examples of companies that Dr. Church have co-founded are listed. I think it would be fair to include his new blockchain genomics startup Nebula Genomics on this list, as this company represents his first step into a totally new field (blockchain) and has drawn significant media attention (see https://news.google.com/search?q=nebula%20genomics&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen). Thoughts?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.24.120.241 (talk) 07:42, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Nebula Genomics to list of companies founded 

message: 1.152.106.13 (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  As an actual Engineer ... How is George Church an "Engineer"