Talk:East Side, Providence, Rhode Island

message: :You had a remark about what the East Side is as being common knowledge. There was a particularly annoying anon who had a very strong "Fox Point is not a part of the East Side; its a part of the South Side" agenda. Partially, I wanted him to shut up. The main reason is we have an official definition, why not use it?--Loodog 05:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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message: Hi loodog. Not trying to nitpick, just nothing better to do :) Hope you don't mind. Cheers --Tom 21:39, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I just reverted the removal with a source showing the disparities in incomes across neighborhoods.--Loodog 21:40, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Loodog, how are you defining "affluent"? Do you have a source that says this section is the most "affluent" or are you pulling up statistics and drawing that conclusion? Also, where are you getting the employment claim from? Can we discuss it here and provide sources here, reach a compromise and then edit the article? --Tom 21:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Affluent: having a generously sufficient and typically increasing supply of material possessions" On The Providence Plan website exist the sources I've provided on the page. Want to compare household income? Families living below the poverty line? How about unemployment? Or we could compare median property values: Blackstone: $396,250; College Hill $517,000; Hope: $247,500, while the city as a whole is $130,000. Given this, the East Side is the most affluent part of the city.--Loodog 22:00, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct Loodog, I could/should have cn tagged the part about the Jewish community. Thank you for adding that back in. I run about 50/50 with unsourced material as to removal vs cn tag. I will try to source that. I know there is a community center across from the Lincoln School, ect. Thanks, --Tom 22:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi loodog, I like this for the unemployment. OK, add the affluent part back if you like or I can do it. Thanks --Tom 22:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, though I noticed you backed it off a bit to "an affluent part of the city". I know I sound like a real estate agent or some local booster, but I think this sells the fact short. The East Side is the most affluent part of the city. You can compare neighborhood by neighborhood and this will be your conclusion. There are more and less affluent parts of the East Side, such as College Hill, and Mount Hope respectively, but try making a more affluent grouping of neighborhoods. As I'm sure you know, the East Side has a reputation of being the richest part of the city, why not confirm this for the readers when the statistics clearly show it to be true?--Loodog 22:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Then you and I are operating with different definitions of "affluent". I'm using the one above. What the above statistics say, exactly, in no uncertain terms, is that the East Side is the most affluent part of the city. You acknowledge it has the highest income level, lowest poverty, highest property values, and lowest unemployment in the city. I don't think it's original research to say that that is affluence, nearly by definition.--Loodog 00:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, you say "the above statistics say" and I would say statistics don't "say" anything per sey, statistics are statistics, period. I would prefer a source that says "The East side is the most affluent section of Providence" period. Anyways, like i said before, if you would like to revert/change the article to your version/prefference I will not revert it back since we have beaten this subject up pretty well at this point and it really isn't that big a deal. Take care, --Tom 13:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above statistics do say that the East Side has highest income level, lowest poverty, highest property values, and lowest unemployment in the city. This is equivalent to them saying it's the most affluent. I'm really at a loss to understand your belief that this is insufficient.--Loodog 13:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You say "This is equivalent to them saying it's the most affluent" but the stats don't come out and say anything. You are the one "saying" what the stats say and this is border line wp:or. By the way, who's on first :). Seriously, I will go back and revert the article, and we can be done, ok? Thanks, --Tom 14:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'd rather not win because I argue long enough; I'd rather understand your point. If I'm truly committing OR, it shouldn't be included. You and I are obviously working from some unforseen fundamental difference in assumption since it seems we're just talking past each other.--Loodog 15:56, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
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