Talk:Neu!

message: (Since the question may popup again in the future, let's do this in full.) This article had inconsistent use of both "Neu!" and "NEU!". Some days ago I restructured it a bit, and BTW enforced consistent spelling with "Neu!" everywhere. Then User:Feline1 changed them all to "NEU!" with summary "it's NEU! - show me one NEU! record sleeve which disagrees! :)" (diff). I see several problems with this:
# If the argument about album covers was intended seriously... marketing and cover design doesn't mean squat here, and their own sleeves don't make us talk about KRAFTWERK or TANGERINE DREAM either. If the smiley indicates a joke, then we don't have an actual reason provided for the changes.
# Neu! isn't an acronym, I see no reason to capitalize it in an encyclopedic article. Also, shouting in all-caps for a mere noun (NEU! or NEW! or NOUVEAU!) makes the article look fanboyish.
# A Google search for [ <TT>"neu is" OR "neu was" Rother Dinger</TT> ] shows exclusive use of "Neu!", including a Guardian article with quotes from the band . (Note: I'll include this nice page later in the links ;-)
# The spelling "NEU!" inside the article is now inconsistent with its name in the URL, which breaks a basic Wikipedia rule. People wanting to link here will either have to talk about Neu! (directing puzzled readers to a page talking about NEU! instead), or would have the unnecessary burden of talking about NEU!.
# All albums links are now broken, because NEU! 2 isn't the same as Neu! 2. (You really should Preview the page and check for red links after link edits.)
Currently, I think it should be reverted to "Neu!" -- in which case I'm ready to do the task (either reverting and merging subsequent changes, or search-and-replacing inside the current version).
Important: should some valid reason and/or consensus be found for "NEU!" instead, then the work isn't even half-done yet, since it would also mandate: having the intro explaining/justifying the all-caps - moving (renaming) all articles (this one and all albums) to the NEU! spelling too, and editing their content too (URL must match spelling in article, for consistency as well as for wikilinks) - establishing redirect pages for all the Neu! variant spellings - edit to all-caps as much as possible of any other article currently spelling and linking to any of the "Neu!" pages/albums (for consistency and to avoid redirects). In other words, you can't just change it in the article, and you have some more required wiki-work if there are reasons to switch to "NEU!".
Comments or suggestions pro/con, before either reverting to Neu! or processing a full name change?
←<SUP>#6  </SUP><SUB>talk</SUB> 17:00, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with "NEU!" instead of "Neu!" 

message: While I'm at it, I offer my reason for another minor gripe with this edit, about which I won't fight/revert, but that I think should be considered (and not just here):
The discog entry <TT>Neu! '75 (Brain Records) - studio album, sometimes aka Neu! 3 </TT> has seen my note about the aka deleted. When an alternative and/or incorrect usage exists, I think valuable to mention it, if only because it's informative to assert that it exists but is incorrect, and also because it'll help some people find it via search engines.
←<SUP>#6  </SUP><SUB>talk</SUB> 17:00, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention of the so-called "Neu! 3" 

message: While I'm at it, I offer my reason for another minor gripe with this edit, about which I won't fight/revert, but that I think should be considered (and not just here):
The albums that "are currently out of production." have been edited to "are currently deleted.": 'deleted' is industry jargon, and actually very confusing to the uninitiated ("Deleted? Is that censored? Forbidden? Did the artist vowed to never reissue it??") -- I've already seen this cause troubles on another band page, which had to change it back to "out of production".
←<SUP>#6  </SUP><SUB>talk</SUB> 17:00, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The term in/out of production also tends to imply a continuous stream of manufacturing output, which also isn't appropriate for all but perennial best-sellers, since published material (books, vinyl, CDs) are normally produced in batches and warehoused. Most normal people know or can guess what deleted means in this context anyway (not sure how many normal people spend much time here though). Ricadus (talk) 09:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  About "out of production" vs. "deleted" 

message: Like I said, you guys have way too much time, you list all the reasons that a word will be all caps.  Just capitalize the word every time it is used.  They use '!' after the word 'Neu!' looks stupid.  If you listen to their albums and look at the covers 'Neu!' is just stupid.  'NEU!' fits better.  They wouldn't have just made a statement, they made an extreme statement.  And to add to it, they spelled it the same way (with the capitalizations) every time it appears in the album jacket.  Kraftwerk is not always spelled in all caps, I've seen it in the album jackets in a few places.  NEU! always is.  The '!' just looks stupid after 'Neu'.  NEU! was making a statement about Krautrock and not just themselves.  Krautrock wasn't just New or even New! it was NEW!.  Krautrock was attempting to do what no one else had before and they did it and modern music has those geniuses to thank for hat they did.  What about e. e. cummings?  He went and had his name legally changed to lowercase spelling (e. e. cummings instead of E. E. Cummings).  I've seen school text books, internet sites, and even printed books for sale at normal book stores that print it with the lowercases.  The capitalization of a word can be incorrect sometimes.  If the government find capitalizations important enough to allow people to specify them as the correct spelling of their name, then just recognizing that NEU! is correct and then changing it to Neu! for the article (for no good reason at all) shouldn't be done.  If I wrote "i want to go to chicago because it is where abraham lincoln Was born and i Think that is Cool."  Wouldn't somone correct it?  It's grammer.  All of you guys have way too much time.  Copy/Paste 'NEU!' over 'Neu!' be done with it and quite worrying about it.  They wanted to make a statement, let's alow them to make that STATEMENT!
:Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 04:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  You guys have way too much time! 

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