Talk:Leeds and Liverpool Canal

message: A while ago I made a lot of corrections to this page. But now due to the large number of deletions and corrections to cover the errors the article doesnt read good. It is also contradictory in places now ie it says it is the longest canal and then say its not, it says its the longest single canal then says its two canals in one etc
I suggest the main article is re-written to make it sound like one article and not a bunch or edited and re-edited comments. Canalwalker 14:30, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-Write Needed 

message: I removed the following external links as I do not feel they are very relevant to this article.
* http://www.mmbc.co.uk - A boating club that uses the canal. Does not include any relevant canal info.
* http://www.ukcanals.net - A generic canal site.  If there is Leeds and Liverpool info on the site, this link should go to that content, not the generic landing page.
* http://www.snaygillboats.co.uk/ - A commercial company that offers cruises on the canal, not a reliable, unbiased source of info.
Epolk 18:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Other readers won't know that; so the article needs to make it explicit. Andy Mabbett 10:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed external links 

message: I think this should be listed in their order along the canal, not alphabetically. Anyone else?
--Aaronsharpe 17:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure about the need for coordinates but I will do the map this weekend --Aaronsharpe 22:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is probably going to be June before I will have chance to sort it - Too many exams. --Aaronsharpe 17:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've started sorting the route locations - as I don't know the area, I have to keep looking each place up to work out where it fits, but It is as least a start!  Hope that helps, regards Lynbarn 14:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have corrected a few mistakes in the list. If you need a map of the canal there is one in the external links on towpathtreks. Canalwalker 14:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Places on the route 

message: Looking at the history of the recent edits, I notice that someone is putting a photo of the Aire and Calder Navigation on this page, no doubt it is removed because it is on the wrong page but whoever is putting it on obviously doesnt know the reason why its being taken off. 
The photograph of the warehouse in Stanley Dock doesn't seem relevent either as it is not on the Leeds Liverpool Canal. 
I am sure there are plenty of photos actually of the canal that can be used. Maybe a photo of the Burnley Embankment? Canalwalker (talk) 20:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "no doubt removed" There's the issue. An IP user removed the picture without explaining why. Edit summaries are very helpful things, and removing content without one often leads to a revert. Mayalld (talk) 22:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The edits I've been making recently are primarily because whoever was making them was changing already-referenced material without updating the references.  That is a recipe for (later) disaster. Parrot of Doom (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I will try to upload a couple of photos of the canal to replace the ones of the Aire and the Dock, hopefully that will keep everyone happy! The page is looking a lot better than it has done in the past. Canalwalker (talk) 08:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Geograph is usually an excellent licence-compatible source of images for articles such as this.  I'd contribute more but don't really know anything about the canal. Parrot of Doom (talk) 11:52, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos

message: Also looking at the edit history, it looks like someone thinks Leicester is on the canal? I think it should say Leeds. Either way the sentence needs clarifying Canalwalker (talk) 20:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits

message: Do you think there should be separate sections or pages for the Leigh Branch, the Stanley Dock branch, the Walton Summit Branch and the various arms along the way? Canalwalker (talk) 20:56, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Branches

message: Is there a reason why it is empty? If it is just for a list of books about the canal I can add plenty, but if it is for books referenced in the text I will leave it alone. I think a list of the best books about the canal would be helpful Canalwalker (talk) 09:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Usually (but not always) Bibliography is a sub-section of References and contains details of the books to which (usually) repeated references are made in the article.  Additional books to which reference is not made in the article are usually placed in Further Reading.  See Runcorn for how this can work.  I have started such a section here and included one book. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bibliography

message: There's no mention of the canal company's warehouse at the end of the canal in Leeds. I have created an article called Granary Buildings, Leeds. Perhaps there should be a link to this? EricPolymath (talk) 09:26, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Warehouse

message: I see that an IP has changed the halfway point from Clayton-le-Moors to Church. But as far as I can see there is a long-standing difference of opinion about the halfway point, see e.g. here. The truth is I suppose in-between.
What do we do to avoid a pointless edit war? Chris55 (talk) 21:49, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Your source actually says that the canal was extended slightly and therefore the halfway point moved (in the footnote). I guessed that would be when the Liverpool Canal Link opened in 2009, but the geograph image was taken earlier. To move that way it would have to be an extension at the Liverpool end. Just need to find a source that explains it in more detail. As the previous version wasn't referenced I'm not in too much of a hurry to change it back. --Trappedinburnley (talk) 11:05, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

text: I've been doing a little more digging and found this Leeds & Liverpool Canal Society newsletter from 1999. On page 4 it explains that they used the distance markers to calculate the halfway point. As far as I am aware these are very old and haven't been moved any time recently. I can find anything of use on the Clayton front. I have become positive that Church is the official halfway point. --Trappedinburnley (talk) 17:06, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Half-way point? 

message: 'The original Liverpool terminus was at Clarke's Basin in present-day Old Hall Street.[9] This later moved to Pall Mall when land was sold to a railway company. A direct connection to the docks via Stanley Dock was built in 1846.'
On Stanley Dock it says the dock didn't open until 1948. Novalia (talk) 21:15, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Read it again. Mr Stephen (talk) 21:45, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  dates 

message: I'm putting the following notes here as I think it might be a while before I get around to researching them. If anyone else would like to do something, you'd be welcome.
*Near Wigan, Crooke lock was replaced with Pagefield Lock and Ell Meadow lock modified because of subsidence (after 1848). Also at Crooke - Tunnel Canal to Taylor Pit, similar to Worsley Navigable Levels.
*A section west of Hapton was moved to the north in the 1980s to facilitate M65 junction 8.
--Trappedinburnley (talk) 20:38, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stuff I've noticed while looking for other stuff 

message: Substituted at 21:50, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: This article is exceptionally difficult to follow, with a lot of rambling text. If someone has the relveant textbooks, they would be doing a great service if they would redraft the whole thing. Afterbrunel (talk) 10:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  In fact, I think the whole of Wikipedia needs to be re-written by people who know what they're talking about! 86.25.249.162 (talk) 18:30, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-write still needed