Talk:Restoration Movement

message: This whole article is seriously flawed.  There are factual mistakes. Example: 20 sects in the Church of Christ from 1920-1960? if a position was held by only one or two congregations, that doesn't constitute a sect.  There is a major problem of focus. 80% of an article on this should be history before 1900.  The ICOC was a schism out of the Restoration Movement, and it would be just as extraneous to include many details about the ICOC as Mormonism since Sidney Rigdon was once part of the Movement.  Whoever is responsible for the bulk of the article was not a student of the breadth of scholarship on the subject and probably only read one article.  Focusing on the splits as the bulk of the article creates a serious NPOV issue.  Carltonh 01:23, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: 1 Flaws

message: Are there too manny "< - - ...- - >" insertions Paul foord 13:54, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article appears unstable - not editing properly

message: I have added a link to a separate entry for Barton Stone as per the suggestion in the discussion. 
Pspadaro 17:50, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Separate Entry for [[Barton Stone]] 

message: There probably should only be a reference or link to the ICOC entry. Currently there are three separate accounts of the International Churches of Christ in the Restoration Movement entry, Church of Christ entry and the actual ICOC article. Due to the developing nature of the ICOC, post 2003, it may be prudent to consolidate the information to one article and link to it. 
17:57, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link only to [[ICOC]] 

message: A sentence in the lead reads, "Restorationism sought to renew the whole Christian church ..."  From my understanding this sentence is correct as applied to the Restoration Movement.  Would it be appropriate in that context to link the word "Restorationism" in this sentence, to the article on Restorationism?  It might not be the intention of the sentence to refer to an "attitude" or "tendency", as described in that article (but rather, to use the word synonymously instead of "Restoration movement".  What do you think? May I link from there, to Restorationism?  — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 16:19, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  link to [[Restorationism]] 

message: Please read the NPOV article.  Your edit on the one-cup/no-class churches may give valuable perspective with a bit of tweaking.  However, the use of the term "mainstream" (or "mainline") is the way it is; its usage refers to the number of people in it rather than any historical positions.  Jdb1972 17:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  To our anonymous editor at 206.74.91.199 

message: I would like to have a link to my website added to the external links section of this article. Please take it under consideration.RestorationUnity.com. 
Pspadaro 22:36, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say go ahead and add it. We've got one like that now, might as well add another. Jdb1972 13:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Agreed Ahnog 22:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: Why is this here? There's a Christian Connection article that is almost word-for-word the same. Any reason why it shouldn't be shortened to a paragraph (at most) and a reference dropped to the main article? Jdb1972
:I say drop it until there can be found a better articulation of the actual link between these two movements.  (If there is, in fact, such a connection.)  The Christian Connection seems to emerge from Methodist roots, whereas Stone and Campbell were clearly Presbyterians.  Also, the print sources cited here seem hopelessly out of date.  Josh a brewer 19:40, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian Connection 

message: One important distinction that this article fails to make is the accepted role of women in the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and the Churches of Christ. In most Church of Christ congregations, women are not allowed to speak publicly or even to teach children above a certain age. This is of course in keeping with the CoC's understanding of the Bible as literal instruction, and several admonitions against women's speaking found in post-Pauline epistles. (It should be noted, though, that as the Church of Christ continues to have a congregational polity, some individual CoC congregations do allow female leadership to varying degrees.
The Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), however, no longer prohibits women from holding the role of preacher or congregational leader. In fact, the current General Minister and President of the DoC is the Rev. Dr. Sharon E. Watkins; as such, she serves as the "head of communion" and chief representative of the denomination both nationally and internationally. 
I have no idea about the history of this difference in practice or teaching, but was curious to find it omitted here. I hope that someone with more knowledge than I have will add this subheading to the article at some point in the future.
Amcormack (talk) 20:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The role of women 

message: Would there be any benefit to creating separate articles for the pre-1832 Stone and Campbell movements?  I'm thinking that we have enough material here to create a short article on each one, and they could easily grow with time.  It would also give us useful links for the Restoration Movement Timeline and for related articles to use when we talk about the roots of the Restoration Movement.  For article names, I'm thinking about something along the lines of "Christians (Stone Movement)" and "Disciples of Christ (Campbell Movement)."  Does that make any sense? EastTN (talk) 22:34, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created the articles Christians (Stone Movement) and Disciples of Christ (Campbell Movement), and started linking them into the other Restoration Movement articles.EastTN (talk) 14:05, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sub-articles for the Pre-1832 Stone and Campbell Movements? 

message: This article would benefit from a short discussion of the influence of John Glas and Robert Sandeman and their "Church of Christ" on the S-C Movement, as well as the influence that the Haldane Brothers had on Alexander Campbell while he was in Glasgow.  Also, a mention of the influence that Thomas Reid, Dugult Stewart and the Scottish School of Common Sense Realism had on Campbell's thought would also be a great addition to article. Dwight911 (talk) 06:23, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Glasites/Sandemanians, Haldanes and Thomas Reid

message: Should "Restoration Movement" be added to the Christianity footer at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Christianity_footer&action=submit ? If so, Restoration Movement would probably go into the list "Denominations and movements: Western." Rammer (talk) 03:29, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that would be appropriate. EastTN (talk) 02:04, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christianity portal 

message: Much work is to be done at the article John_T._Walsh_(Adventist)? Was he an adventist at all? Or rather a restorationist? Mendelo (talk) 18:24, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, I can't find an entry for him in the Encyclopedia of the Stone-Campbell movement. EastTN (talk) 02:07, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the one source that the article for him links to on therestorationmovement.com The Life And Times Of John Tomline Walsh, it does appear to describe someone closely affiliated with the Restoration Movement.  I wonder if there could be two different John T. Walsh's? EastTN (talk) 02:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  John T. Walsh 

message: Sorry about linking blueprint; I knew it was used metaphorically; must have been on autopilot as that was absolutely in error.Parkwells (talk) 22:04, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a problem - autopilot happens. EastTN (talk) 23:50, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing

message: An interesting book that provides context for the relation between Presbyterianism and the revival/restoration movements is "Holy Fairs: Scottish Communions and American Revivals in the Early Modern Period" by Leigh Eric Schmidt (1989).Parkwells (talk) 22:44, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds interesting - it's going on my Amazon wish list! EastTN (talk) 23:51, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

text: New to editing and this page.  Although an older entry, this book reference relates to my background in Presbyterianism and being persuaded by the principles of the restoration movement to dig deeper into the Bible and its relevance to today.  I'll add this reference to my reading list. Meta Voyager (talk) 16:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Book

message: In the opening to this article, we find the sweeping statement, "Especially since the mid-20th century, members of these churches do not identify as Protestant but simply as Christian." It has three citation, but none of them actually establish that, as a general rule, members of churches in the Restoration Movement identify as non-Protestant. Here are the three sources:
(1) V.E. Howard. The quote given here does not establish that Restoration Movement members in general identify as non-Protestant. It only tells us that Howard, personally, identifies the church of Jesus Christ as non-Protestant.
(2) Baxter and Ellis. This source, likewise, doesn't tell us what members of the Restoration Movement in general think about Protestantism. Instead, it tells us that Baxter and Ellis identify as non-Protestant, and think you should too.
(3) The Encyclopedia of Religion in the South. Unlike the previous two sources, which are essentially personal theological essays, this looks like a more reliable sort of source. However, it doesn't actually tell us that members of Restoration Movement churches generally think about Protestantism; it just tells us that it is common for Restoration Movement members in the American South, who are in the "Churches of Christ" branch of the movement, to reject identification as Protestant.
Now, there may be a salvageable statement of some kind about how parts of the Restoration Movement regard Protestantism, and if somebody wants to write something that doesn't go beyond what the sources say, I'm all for it. In the meantime, this statement shouldn't be sitting here in the intro like this. Alephb (talk) 01:06, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Protestant 

message: The link to the Marshall Keeble article gives the date of his death as 1969, but the page it links to says 1968. This should be verified and corrected. 98.19.29.176 (talk) 19:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. This is corrected to 1968. —ADavidB 17:17, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marshall Keeble