Talk:Voiceless palatal fricative

message: I added a similar note on aspirated/unaspirated in German to what I put on voiceless velar fricative.  See my comments on Talk:Voiceless velar fricative for concerns about accuracy. CyborgTosser (Only half the battle) 01:54, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Media help. — Trilobite (Talk) 19:04, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I think it should sound like ch in german "ich".88.101.76.122 17:18, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's identical to "dicht".--77.1.145.193 (talk) 18:54, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's strange «Ich» is written /iç/ but it sounds very different from here, I agree.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8B4A:86E0:10A2:2686:3A0F:9B18 (talk) 07:24, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are youreally sure it is correct? 

message: Whenever people on the net or wikipedia talk about this sound appearing in English, they just talk about h being followed by a y-semivowel. Why not the actual ee-vowel. H before Y sounds just about the same as before EE, since EE and Y are basically the same sound. Some people make this sound when laughing (or to be exact, giggling). And its onomatopoeia is hee-hee. Just like "s" "hiss", "z" "buzz" ,"v" "voom" .
Basically, [hi]/[hj] and [çi]/[çj] mean the same thing and transcribe the same set of sounds. [h] is just, as someone's already said above, "a devoiced version of the preceding sonorant or vowel, being a devoiced  The acoustic contrast between a voiceless palatal approximant and a voiceless palatal fricative is so minimal that there is speaker variation as to which one it is". Friction varies freely in the h-sound before [j] or [i], and hardly anyone distinguishes voiceless fricatives and approximants.  It's all up to whether you want to be general [h] or specific [ç].— Preceding unsigned comment added by Farazcole (talk • contribs) 
:Yes, the  in a word like heed is probably similarly -like as that in hue.  I think the difference is that a lot of speakers may also drop the yod so that hue is pronounced  and thus forming a minimal pair with you.  It may be the case that it's more constricted in words like hue than in heed — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 17:10, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not  (velar), but  (post-palatal). Alternative transcriptions include  and . Peter238 (talk) 20:51, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  hee hee 

message: Is [çuː] perhaps a BrEng pronunciation?  I'm from Southern Ontario, and I pronounce it [hjuː].  I can't imagine [çuː] or [çjuː] or whatever in NAmEng, any more than [t͡ʃuːn].  This example can only be confusing to (at least) NAmEng speakers. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It does appear to be so, which is why it's now listed as a BrEng pronunciation. (That's how I say it, incidentally.) Double sharp (talk) 12:54, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be really astonished if your pronunciation really was [hju:], a syllable containing three segments. That would mean starting with a voiceless glottal fricative [h], then making a voiced palatal approximant [j], then finally a vowel [u]. It's easy to demonstrate by means of spectrograms that English speakers don't make this complicated sequence, but produce just the two segments, a voiceless palatal fricative followed by a vowel. You can hear this pronunciation in any on-line dictionary that gives pronunciations (e.g. Forvo); if you want to see the spectrograms I can put some up for inspection. I'm not saying that there aren't other pronunciations of 'hue' - some English speakers have [ju:], and round my part of the world (Norfolk, UK) we have [hu:]. But mostly, the belief that we say [hju:] is the result of people misinterpreting the phonemic representation /hju:/ which uses /h/ and /j/ combined just for the sake of economy, avoiding the need for a voiceless palatal fricative phoneme. RoachPeter (talk) 15:30, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: (Because I realise I wasn't clear about that: I say [çuː]. Are you replying to me or Curly Turkey? I don't think he would say [hju:] either. It's probably not [çuː], but the three-segment syllable [hju:] is implausible as a phonetic representation of what he actually says.) Double sharp (talk) 15:33, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I thought you meant that you say [hju:]. BTW, where is [çuː] listed as a BrEng-only pronunciation?  RoachPeter (talk) 15:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In the table in the article under "Occurrence", where [çuː] for "hue" is listed explicitly under BrEng (and thus implying that it is not a possible AmEng pronunciation). Double sharp (talk) 08:49, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it doesn't imply that. It's just that the source doesn't talk about other dialects in which it'd occur, that's all. Martin sv 85 (talk) 07:35, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hue", really? 

message: Doesn't Scots also make use of this sound? From our articles on the subject, it seems like words like licht "light, bright" are usually pronounced with [x], i. e., like in Dutch, but in Southern Scots, the pronunciation does seem to be with [ç], i. e., like in (Northern) Standard German. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:39, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scots 

message: For German, you give the audio «Nicht», to illustrate /ç/, but it would be really useful to give also the audio for «Milch», «ich», as it sounds a bit different (longer). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8B4A:86E0:10A2:2686:3A0F:9B18 (talk) 07:20, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  For German 

message: Greek has palatals [c, ɟ, ç, ʝ] that contrast with velars [k, ɡ, x, ɣ] before /a, o, u/, but in complementary distribution with velars before front vowels /e, i/. --Espoo (talk) 09:15, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Greek  is post-palatal like the whole "palatal" series. Check the second table under the main one. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 17:28, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek missing 

message: I think this is a misplaced copy-paste or similar error. --78.63.237.25 (talk) 18:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standard Chinese example doesn't have ç 

message: This article has the Voiceless palatal fricative as the precomposed character U+00E7 while Phonetic symbols in Unicode has the codepoint as U+0063 U+0327 ('c' and the combining cedilla character). Is there a particular encoding that is "preferred" for use in the IPA, or should both be noted in both this article and Phonetic symbols in Unicode?
Bhbuehler (talk) 03:15, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent Unicode Codepoint/Encoding across Wikipedia