Talk:Macedonians (ethnic group)/Archive 4

message: Please remove the picture in the top right portion of the screen because the first person to the left is a Bulgarian - Konstantin Miladinov (see Miladinov Brothers for additional information).
::The people of Republic of Macedonia beleive they were Macedonians. And, there are many sources that support this.
::Reading enought about them will show you that both (Macedonians and Bulgarians) have right to claim that they are a part of them. Will you travel in time and ask them personaly? Macedonian(talk) 04:37, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: FOR STARTERS

message: How's this?
REX 17:28, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: This morning, after church, I was flicking through my copy of the Hutchinson Encyclopedia and I found a rather comprehensive definition of Macedonian. Not Macedonian (ethnicity), not Macedonian Slav, but Macedonian. How curious :-) I guess this means that in conjunction with the fact that Britannica, Ethnologue, the UN etc refer to these people as Macedonians, then we can assume that prominent scholars would appear to disagree with Miskin and Vergina, who seem to believe that the SlavoMacedonians as they call them are mere Bulgarians on Prozac in Yugoslav style. Well, given that their view plays a fringe role in the scientific community, we can assume that we will have to ignore their views (which just coincidentally happen to coincide with those of ΛΑΟΣ :-)) and use the NPOV views as expressed by the vast majority of English language encyclopaedias and use the name that they use accordingly. They are the perfect sources; I wish I knew where Miskin and Vergina got their views. Not from credible encyclopaedias, that's for sure.
In case anyone's interested, here is the entry:
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Macedonian
People of Macedonian culture from the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and the surrounding area, especially Greece, Albania, and Bulgaria. Macedonian, a Slavic language belonging to the Indo-European family, has 1-1.5 million speakers. The Macedonians are predominantly members of the Eastern Orthodox Church and write with a Cyrillic script. They are known for their folk arts.  
The Macedonian language and ethnic identification have been subject to repression, especially in Bulgaria and Greece. Although the number of Macedonian speakers in Greece is estimated at 100,000-200,000 (1994), they are denied official recognition. 
[Then it had a picture of Macedonians in their traditional dress]
(©Helicon Publishing Ltd, printed from the Hutchinson Educational Encyclopedia, 2000)
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I hope that Miskin and Vergina acknowledge the fact that they are wrong and that their views are POV. REX 11:12, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gee, more and more sources 

message: ::Taken from: http://www.makfax.com.mk/look/agencija/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=1&NrIssue=254&NrSection=10&NrArticle=11661&ST1=tekst&ST_T1=vest&ST_AS1=1&ST_LS1=-1&ST_max=1
::(the whole interview can be found on Macedonian at: http://www2.dw-world.de/macedonian/temamace/1.157534.1.html. Before anyone try to deny this, have on mind that this is from the official Deutsche Welle web page) Macedonian 04:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, Angela Merkel will be the new chancellor of Germany. Not good news for the Greek position about this issue, because her party was the one who actually voted for the recomendation of the German parliament to the goverment (then lead by Gerhard Schröder) to recognize Macedonia's constitutional name and the Macedonian identity. By the way, maybe Great Britain, Denmark, Netherlands, Italy or Spain have some suprise... who knows? Some of the parlaiments of these countries already did the same as the German parliament did... Macedonian 04:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the real deal behind the naming problem?