Talk:Center for Talented Youth/Archive 1

message: Erm, the external links to the passion fruit and Canon and such don't work anymore. We either need a subsection or wikipedia article on those, or we should find some links that work.  --TD Mak  02:29  August 26, 2005 (EST)
Ok, can someone please rewrite the article under CTY Culture? I've never been to CTY; I've just investigated the program thoroughly in an attempt to persuade my parents to let me enter the program (thus explaiing why I added info). However, it's a bit different from the culture at CTY, which deserves its own special category. -Simfish 04:37, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

message: I think someone should clean up the culture section, i have not attended CTY but some of my friends have and the way this article portrays it, it sounds more like a nerd cult than a summer camp. --GBVrallyCI 03:27, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I know of very few cults that are accused of being unwelcoming, actually... 24.136.38.121 23:07, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cult Like

message: Here are the parts that were deleted as nonsense, with removed parts italicized. Could any CTYers confirm or refute these, especially the chant during "American Pie"? Also, the 1991 and 1993 events are way before my time (one session in 1997). I know they do look like nonsense, but putting a bunch of gifted kids in one place does lead to some strange traditions and happenings. --Christopherlin 07:58, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsense? 

message: :The full set of callbacks to American Pie, as I remember from from Lancaster 2001, included "Die Die Die Die Live Live Live Live Sex Sex Sex Sex More More More More!" after the first five choruses, but not the last. The other callbacks were:
:Verse 5
:Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
:My hands were clenched in fists of rage! (shouted)
:No angel born in hell
::Not even one!
:Could break that Satan's spell.
:And as the flames climbed high into the night
:To light the sacrificial rite,
:I saw Satan laughing with delight
::mwa ha ha!
The day the music died
:Verse 6
:I met a girl who sang the blues
:And I asked her for some happy news,
:But she just smiled and turned away.
:I went down to the sacred store
::Turkey Hill!
:Where I'd heard the music years before,
:But the man there said the music wouldn't play.
:And in the streets, the children screamed,
::Aaaaaa!
:The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
:But not a word was spoken;
::shhhhh!
:The church bells all were broken.
::clang, clang clang.
:And the three men I admire most:
:The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost,
:They caught the last train for the coast
::East coast sucks!
::West coast sucks!
:The day the music died. --April Arcus 23:45, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The callbacks (as of 2005) have expanded and altered somewhat since your recollection (2001).  Is it worth our documenting them?  --zandperl 02:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I have also heard that the suicide happened at Clinton. It seems that the person hung or strangled themselves in a shower stall. An RA (Session 2 04) confirmed that the reason Siena doesn't chant is out of respect for a student who died at one of Siena's previous incarnations, but the RA refused to elaborate further. puppies_fly 03:07, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: American Pie

message: Could anyone verify anything about a hippie game? I remember something of the sort at the LMU campus. I can't remember the name though. It requires a woven ball filled with some sort of beads an passed around the players using any part of the body except the hands. Typer 525 01:02, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A few people did it at Siena session 2 05, but it wasn't really a big thing like frisbee.puppies_fly 03:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hacky Sack

message: I've only been to Lancaster... There, passionfruit is only the last day, when we all go home. What is the tradition at other sites?
I haven't seen one at the LMU campus. I don't think it applies to all of the sites. Typer 525 00:53, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know that Passionfruit started at Carlisle-- maybe we should add that tidbit, and perhaps specify that the current description of Passionfruit only really applies to Carlisle.--Aliaslola 16:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Passionfruit

message: One critical piece of (Alcovian) culture no one seems to have mentioned is the Afterdance, involving chanting, the hokey pokey, an interactive monologue, and various (vocal) songs. It is held for about 15 minutes after every dance, and one flees to the dorms after it is over, still chanting. Does this happen at other sites? I've been to Siena and JHU, and neither of them seem to have it. Moonstone 20:22, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Afterdance

message: Other traditions:
At Carlisle 1999 and 2000, we played "Rainbow Connection" at the end of the talent show for the nevermores (non-returning students).
At Carlisle 2000, we briefly revived what was apparently a former tradition of reading Trina Paulus' "Hope for the Flowers" the morning of the last day.
The Passionfruit ritual exists in various forms at different sites. At Carlisle it involved a small gathering on the morning of each saturday during which toasts were offered to friends, present and absent. At Lancaster it was a much larger event held only at the end of the session, and was host to some rivalries between die-hards and less avid campgoers.
At Carlisle 2000, somebody came up with a song to The Stranger (novel) to the tune of "Oh! Susanna". I remember a few verses:
:The sun was shining in my eyes
:My shoes were full of sand
:I shot the arab four more times
:Because the Gun was in my hand.
:Chorus:
:Oh! Maria,
:Don't waste your tears on me.
:I'm the existential hero
:And I'm condemend to be free.
:I shot the arab, yes it's true
:It seems a senseless crime
:But since there is no afterlife
:My guilt will end in time.
:Chorus
Maybe somebody else remembers the rest of it. It was a bit of a hit at the time. --April Arcus 23:45, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Traditions 

message: The CTY community was not completely homogenous, and several groups or cliques persisted for many years at different sites. Most famous were the ones at Lancaster - digiclan, the prototypical group, whose members went on to form the first LLRT (Land of the Large Round Tables). Prior to my arrival, there had been two large groups - the Eishans (from "Eish", a hypercaffeinated bastardization of "Fish", as in the card game "Go Fish" - friendly, angstless monty python and hitchhiker's guide fans) and a reformed LLRT (hypersexual, angstier, types - my people). In 2001 these merged into an uneasy collective known as "The Alcove", which I believe still has a Yahoo! group under that name. --April Arcus 23:45, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Groups 

message: I just created the Loudonville, New York page, please take a gander.  
Also, the Julian Stanley (founder of CTY) page is under threat of deletion as a copyright infringement of the JHU/CTY press release.  Please see that page, and the replacement page I started working on at Julian Stanley/Temp.  After a few days of the standing copyvio notice, it'll be deleted and replaced with the temp page.  
--zandperl 21:10, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Related pages needing work

message: :As per general CTY policy forbidding CTY students from interacting with non-CTY students or staff without express permission of their parents, CTY students are not permitted to speak to participants in other programs.
This has got to be either a joke or some kind of new rule. I went to to CTY for five years in two different locations and no one ever told me not to speak to other children. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 08:07, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I do remember such a rule, though nobody took it seriously. To those who had less diligent RAs, it was practically nonexistent.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Moonstone (talk • contribs) 17:59, December 20, 2005 (UTC).
It's not a joke at Carlisle.  One CTYer who wore a bun was chatting with another CTYer.  A RA saw them, but didn't see bun-girl's lanyard immediately, and pulled aside the other CTYer and started telling him/her off until bun-girl explained she was not a rina.
I was at LMU this past summer (2005), and there were two other groups there: guitar camp and sports camp. We were told not to talk to the guitar camp people, but I don't think that it was actually a rule. No one cared about us talking to sports camp kids, but we didn't anyway. We all thought they were boring. Clarinetplayer 04:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forbidden Interaction? 

message: At LMU/Los Angeles, a ton of kids are obsessed with Rubik's Cubes. Can anyone confirm this for other sites, so it can be added to the list under CTY culture? Clarinetplayer 04:06, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rubik's Cube?

message: I just attended session 1 lancaster 2006 and I noticed that you guys left out bathrobe/towel thursdays. Alot of CTYers wear a bathrobe and towel every (or second) thursday in tribute to Arthur Dent in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I'd also like to note there is *no* correspondance between CTY and mental health issues. CTYers are all sorts of intelligent, fun loving kids. We come to CTY to learn and for the amazing social experience. There simply are no boundaries (socially) people who I would feel wierd approaching elsewhere are my best friends at CTY. People from all walks come there, poor, rich, all ethnicities, emos, preps, and what's amazing is that every single one puts aside there differences. Yea, sorry I went OT but it needed saying. And at Lancaster we do do the afterdance with CTY we love you, CTY you have a nice butt, take of your clothes, take off your clothes, CTY we love you!
Canon does or use to include James Brown is Dead, Brown Eyed Girl, Night Swimming, American Pie, Stairway to Heaven, Bizzarre Love Triangle (where CTYers form a human tunnel and run through with pants above their heads [new rule, no swinging of pants, just holding] and many more that I'm probably forgetting. Peace.
CTY we love you!
I personally knew several people with various mental illnesses (I was choked against the wall by one who took anti-psychotics). Taking this experience aside, I can think back to find a generally higher percentage of people with illness at the camp than I have in normal society. The cannon as of 2005 session 2 lancaster was as follows: (in order) Istanbul (Not Constantinople), Blister in the Sun, James Brown is Dead, In Your Eyes, Rock Lobster, Birdhouse in your Soul, Nightswimming, Tunak Tunak Tun, Oh L'amour, Bizarre Love Triangle, Stairway to Heaven, Time warp, It's the End of the World As We Know It (And I'm Feeling Fine), Forever Young, American Pie. Kamerad 00:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of the World 

message: While I realize that CTY is a very special and intense experience for its students, I'm a little dismayed at the amount of fancruft in the article.  I worked as a TA in 1995 and 1996 and an instructor in 1997, so my knowledge of the organization is pretty outdated, and I don't know how helpful I can be.  Besides, I was never a student there.  I may do some work on it if no one else does.  Maybe a list of classes would be helpful?  I've already added a section on how students are evaluated.  
I've always wondered about the kid who wore the bathrobe every day at Lancaster and the other boy who fished credit card transaction receipts out of the trash at the Turkey Hill ATM and used the numbers to call phone sex numbers.  I still can't help grinning a little when I think of Bathrobe Boy (that's what we called him) walking around in 90 degree heat in a thick green terrycloth bathrobe waging his one-man war against conformity with Quixotic intensity. Brian G. Crawford 03:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Heavy on fandom, light on information.

message: I do believe it's Casino Night at the LMU campus rather than Las Vegas Night, or at least in recent years - I went to CTY in LMU for 3 years (03-05) and it was always "Casino Night" and even the longest-staying students never called it "Las Vegas Night".
Kungming2 00:03, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I went to CTY F&M in 96, 98 and 99 and my memory may be outdated, but I think there was a Casino event of some sort there as well.  I definitely remember there being a Wedding Chapel, although I remember it happening during the daytime, not at night. Schi 00:00, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Las Vegas Night???

message: We should seriously begin to renovate the page. It would be nice to nominate this as a featured article, it meets the criteria for it. Typer525 Contact 20:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's close to FA status. Either way, make sure you go through peer review first. --Christopherlin 20:23, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I belive thats why I said we should renovate first...I submitted the page for peer review though, it was a good idea. --Typer525 Contact 21:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article? 

message: For the purposes of this article at least, is there an agreed standard on how one refers to each site?  For example, I observe JHU over Baltimore, Skidmore over Saratoga Springs, but also Lancaster over F&M, Carlisle over whatever it actually is, etc. Schi 00:00, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's all according to convention, and yes, a standardized way of writing names should be implemented. –-  kungming·2 | (Talk·Contact) 00:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Usage of site names

message: Please try to follow this as much as possible. 
#The information applies to more than one site.
#The information will not be outdated if certain people leaves the CTY program (ex. nevermores/nomores).
#The information applies to the CTY program or general CTYer at most sites (Culture section only).
#The information is consitent to the CTY program (ex. Mandatory Fun or Non-Mandatory Fun for LMU)
As long as the information meant to be posted satisfies at least half the requirements, it should be general enough to be used. This is not mandatory requirement for all edits, but a general guide to high quality edits. Thanks Typer525 Talk 23:48, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to decide if information is general enough for this article