Talk:Kenneth R. Timmerman

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message: Mr. Timmerman is also being considered for a Nobel Peace Prize.
--JJ
is that so? a man who "works to instigate an armed conflict" (according to this wikipedia page)... for the peace prize? maybe one day i'll win it myself, but that will be after i instigate world war 3 of course.
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If you read Mr. Timmerman's interviews and speeches, he states that armed conflict with Iran is the worst possible option, and advocates support of anti-government groups in Iran to overthrow the theocracy there.  Indeed he is actively working with such groups himself.  Perhaps whoever wrote the Wikipedia piece should do a little investigative work prior to making such a statement . . . perhaps this might also explain the apparent contradiction in a "warmonger" being nominated for the Nobel prize?  BTW, I hope he is wrong about the "coming showdown" with Iran - but it unfortunately appears he may be right. - MG
You know who else was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize? Hitler. Granted the nomination was a protest against Neville Chamberlain being nominated, but the fact remains that anybody can be nominated even if they're in no way qualified. Also, Timmerman's been proved to be full of crap about Iran's nonexistent nuclear weapons program, so the chances of him winning have gone from slim to none. 74.62.153.19 (talk) 23:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: If you read Mr. Timmerman's interviews and speeches, he states that armed conflict with Iran is the worst possible option, and advocates support of anti-government groups in Iran to overthrow the theocracy there.  Indeed he is actively working with such groups himself.  Perhaps whoever wrote the Wikipedia piece should do a little investigative work prior to making such a statement . . . perhaps this might also explain the apparent contradiction in a "warmonger" being nominated for the Nobel prize?  BTW, I hope he is wrong about the "coming showdown" with Iran - but it unfortunately appears he may be right. - MG
You know who else was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize? Hitler. Granted the nomination was a protest against Neville Chamberlain being nominated, but the fact remains that anybody can be nominated even if they're in no way qualified. Also, Timmerman's been proved to be full of crap about Iran's nonexistent nuclear weapons program, so the chances of him winning have gone from slim to none. 74.62.153.19 (talk) 23:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: The Web site Newshog has reports Kenneth R. Timmerman falsely alleges that Iran has bought nuclear warheads from North Korea. In fact, Jane's Defense Weekly reported that Iran bought some ancient missile from Pyongyang, and there was never any question of a warhead. 
Newshog reports:
http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2006/03/exclusive-neocon-expert-caught-out.html
Monday, March 27, 2006
Exclusive: Neocon Expert Caught Out Over Iran Warmongering
On March 23rd, Kenneth R. Timmerman writing for Frontpage Magazine made an astonishing pronouncement:
In January, Jane’s Defense Weekly reported that Middle East intelligence sources had confirmed a story appearing in the German newspaper Bild on Dec. 16, 2005, alleging that Iran had acquired Russian-made nuclear warheads through North Korea.
The warheads had equipped SS-N-6 submarine-launched missiles. U.S. intelligence sources privately confirmed these reports to me. [Emphasis Mine]
If true, this claim would blow the current brewing crisis over Iran's nuclear program wide open, change the game entirely...and Jane's is the definitive military sourcebook, whatever it said would normally be impeccably sourced.
However the Jane's article that Mr Timmerman cites doesn't appear to mention nuclear warheads at all, just the missiles. In fact, it notes that analysts are puzzled by the Iranian purchase:
"Although the technology is 40 years old, the SS-N-6 SLBM is a very complicated missile, which is not easy to copy and does not align with the current Iranian efforts," Uzi Rubin, former director of Israel's Ballistic Missile Defence Organisation, told JDW.
It's actually fairly likely that Iran bought the missiles to help along it's nascent satellite-launch program.
But...no mention of the purchase of actual "nuclear warheads" in the "non-subscriber extract" (which is all you can read without paying), which would have been cataclysmic front page news worldwide if Jane's had actually said such a thing.
On Friday I emailed Jane's asking their editors if they would like to comment on what appeared to be an extreme misrepresentation of their article. Today they wrote back, attaching a full copy of the article so we all knew what we were talking about:
Dear Sir,
You're quite right: we were talking missiles and not warheads. I pasted in the full article below and copied in our communications manager should the Timmerman material lead to any further complications or misquotations regarding our reporting.
Many thanks for drawing this to our attention.
Yours sincerely,
P J R Felstead
Editor, JDW
The chances of this being an accidental misinterpretation by Mr. Timmerman seem slim to me. He isn't some know-nothing opinionator, but rather a very well connected and very well informed neoconservative figure. According to his Wikipedia entry he is an expert in military matters, having written for various defense journals in the past. He runs his own defense and security consultancy, Middle East Data Project, Inc. It takes a lot of mistake for such an expert to see a report of the aquisition of nuclear warheads in an article that says no such thing. Were he capable of a simple mistake of this magnitude, then his credibility as an expert would surely be seriously undermined - something that news organisations such as FOX News and the UK's Daily Telegraph might have to take into account when citing him as an authoritative source or consultant. (Actually that Telegraph story also uses two other sources of extremely questionable credibility.) Congress might want to bear it in mind too when next he testifies before them.
(They might also wish to consider Mr. Timmerman's claim that "Separate sources in the U.S. and Iran have told FDI recently that the Iranian regime is planning a nuclear weapons test before the Iranian New Year on March 20, 2006." An event that singularly failed to happen.)
Yet the possibility that Mr. Timmerman deliberately cited spurious sources for a false claim is even more worrying. Given bono fides of Mr. Timmerman's kind, there would surely have to be a serious motive behind any such lie.
I saw Timmerman with Tucker Carlson last night - 8/10/2006. He is a truly scary man - seemed to be a rabid pro-war type ( from Goddard? ). Tracing him over the internet he seems to have alot of facts that don't seem to pan out ( Iranian nuclear site - he seems to be able to find it but nobody else finds it in the same place, etc.) I wonder why Carlson had him on last night - I never had much use for Carlson, but now I will probably not believe anything he ever says.
This is typical Timmerman. In the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq, he actually claimed that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing. 71.203.209.0 (talk) 08:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kenneth R. Timmerman falsely allegs that Iran has bought nuclear warheads from North Korea. Editor Janes Defense Weekly confirms Timmerman misquotations. 

message: I have some usable pictures of Timmerman, but I have no idea how to load them to Wikipedia. 
They're *my* pictures, so IP isn't an issue.
If anybody cares, send me an email - greenwoodjw on gmail
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