Talk:Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society

message: This is from Berkman Center, which I am changing to a redirect. I am not convinced any of this information needs merged into the article, but if anyone is working on this article, I thought you'd like to know.
===Mission===
The Berkman Center's mission is to explore and understand cyberspace, its development, dynamics, norms, standards, and need or lack thereof for laws and sanctions.
We are a research center, premised on the observation that what we seek to learn is not already recorded. Our method is to build out into cyberspace, record data as we go, self-study, and publish. Our mode is entrepreneurial nonprofit.
===About Us===
The Berkman Center is a research program founded to explore cyberspace, share in its study, and help pioneer its development. We represent a network of faculty, students, fellows, entrepreneurs, lawyers, and virtual architects working to identify and engage with the challenges and opportunities of cyberspace.
How long has the Berkman Center been around? Who started it, with what rationale(s), and with what funding/resources? MaynardClark 21:02, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate article

message: The Berkman Center is a research program founded to explore cyberspace, share in its study, and help pioneer its development. We represent a network of faculty, students, fellows, entrepreneurs, lawyers, and virtual architects working to identify and engage with the challenges and opportunities of cyberspace.
How long has the Berkman Center been around? Who started it, with what rationale(s), and with what funding/resources? MaynardClark 21:02, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: About Us

message: HomePage
NickelShoe 23:43, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: What was the rationale for determining who should appear on this list and who shouldn't? Then, wouldn't including some small piece of information about what those people are actually up to be relevant? Like: "The director of the MIT Center for Civic Media Ethan Zuckerman" rather than simply "Ethan Zuckerman", or "Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales" rather than simply "Jimmy Wales"? SalimJah  (talk) 17:13, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Fellows

message: The Projects and initiatives section seems rather outdated. Would somebody be willing to update this list? SalimJah  (talk) 17:13, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a list of projects of the center, as of June 2018. -- Oa01 (talk) 16:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Oa01, agreed the current list is out of date; this goes far in the other direction + feels a bit random - why does only TagTeam get detail?  Cheers, – SJ + 18:49, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi SJ, agreed the proposed text feels unfinished at present. Perhaps others will fill in details? -- Oa01 (talk) 07:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps the will.  But as a first attempt to update the stale list, a briefer option: you could include just the most significant projects -- ones with their own pages or national-news cites, meriting a short description in the bulleted list. – SJ + 05:21, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Projects and initiatives

message: As of June 2018, the center maintains several additional projects:
* AGTech Forum
* Assembly
* Berklett Cybersecurity
* Cooperation Research Workshop
* CopyrightX
* Cyberlaw Clinic
* Digital Finance Initiative
* Digital Health @ Harvard
* Digitally Connected
* 
* Global Access in Action
* H2O
* Harmful Speech Online
* Herdict
* Improving Information for Decision Makers 
* Internet Governance
* Internet Monitor
* Internet Robustness
* Interoperability
* Lumen (formerly Chilling Effects)
* Media Cloud
* metaLAB (at) Harvard
* Municipal Fiber Initiative
* Privacy Initiatives; Privacy Tools for Sharing Research Data
* ProjectVRM
* Responsive Communities 
* Youth and Media
The center has also supported "spinoff" initiatives, such as:
* Creative Commons
* Digital Asia Hub
* Global Voices
* Network of Interdisciplinary Internet & Society Research Centers
* Noank Media
* Public Radio Exchange
:: Hi Oa01, agreed the current list is out of date; this goes far in the other direction + feels a bit random - why does only TagTeam get detail?  Cheers, – SJ + 18:49, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi SJ, agreed the proposed text feels unfinished at present. Perhaps others will fill in details? -- Oa01 (talk) 07:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps the will.  But as a first attempt to update the stale list, a briefer option: you could include just the most significant projects -- ones with their own pages or national-news cites, meriting a short description in the bulleted list. – SJ + 05:21, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Other projects

message: Article says centers "started or inspired by" Berkman Center. However, there is not referencing about that influence. Also center at Yale University (Information Society Project) came in 1997 and center at Harvard University (Berkman Center) came in 1998.
: I think there's an explicit network of centers with related goals; the main centers that clearly draw lineage from it are already noted in the intro.  Other centers would need a source for how they see their own inspiration. The network was formed at a 2012 event at the Berkman Center, maybe more fitting to note that instead? – SJ + 18:05, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence for making other centers 

message: The first sentence of the history paragraph looks wrong. 
From the cited timeline, the center was founded in '96 as the 'Center on Law and Technology', and renamed in '98, after a seminar in '94.  The seminar included the center founders and Miller/Marglin/Smuts, of whom only Miller seems to have been involved after its founding, running a seminar series.   
Proposed rewrite: from
:The Berkman Klein Center was founded in 1998 by professors Jonathan Zittrain and Charles Nesson, along with recent Harvard Law School graduates David Marglin and Tom Smuts.
to
:The center was founded in 1996 as the "Center on Law and Technology" by professors Jonathan Zittrain and Charles Nesson.  This built on previous work including a 1994 seminar they held on legal issues involving the early Internet. Professor Arthur Miller and students David Marglin and Tom Smuts also worked on those early seminars and discussions. In 1997, the Berkman family underwrote the center, and Lawrence Lessig joined as the first Berkman professor.  In 1998 the center changed its name to the "Berkman Center for Internet & Society", and in 2016 added "Klein" to its name following a gift from Michael R. Klein.
– SJ + 18:05, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founding history 

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :TagTeam (software). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 6#TagTeam (software) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Toddst1 (talk) 15:23, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
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message: There are a lot of "big if true" things mentioned in this article, but for some reason, we do not seem very interested in determining whether they're true. I like Lawrence Lessig as much as anyone, but some of this stuff is just bizarre:
:The Berkman Klein Center seeks to understand how the development of Internet-related technologies is inspired by the social context in which they are embedded and how the use of those technologies affects society in turn.
What does this actually mean? "Seeks to understand"? Are these actual subjects of research, or do they just kind of think about it really hard?
In general, a lot of the initiatives aren't covered very well. On one hand, I believe they had some involvement with the RSS 2.0 specification, which is a real thing that had an impact on the online world. On the other hand, I am unsure what the "Internet and Democracy Project" is:
:an initiative that will examine how the Internet influences democratic norms and modes, including its impact on civil society, citizen media, government transparency, and the rule of law, with a focus on the Middle East. Through a grant of $1.5 million from the US Department of State's Middle East Partnership Initiative, the Berkman Center will undertake the study over the next two years in collaboration with its extended community and institutional partners. As with all its projects, the Berkman Center retains complete independence in its research and other efforts under this grant. The goal of this work is to support the rights of citizens to access, develop and share independent sources of information, to advocate responsibly, to strengthen online networks, and to debate ideas freely with both civil society and government. These subjects will be examined through a series of case studies in which new technologies and online resources have influenced democracy and civic engagement.  The project will include original research and the identification and development of innovative web-based tools that support the goals of the project.  The team, led by Project Director Bruce Etling, will draw on communities from around the world, with a focus on the Middle East.
First of all, it's unclear what it means to "examine" the Internet (I do that every time I turn on my computer, so where's my $1.5 million). Second of all, when we get past the weasel words, there is some stuff about "original research and the identification and development of innovative web-based tools". What's the deal on that? Can someone track down the original research and these innovative web-based tools? It seems like, if this project is notable, and if it's "now-completed", it should be easy to come up with some tangible results of it having been existed.
The same is true of this:
:In 2017, the BKC received a $27M grant with the MIT Media Lab to "advance artificial intelligence research for the public good" and "to ensure automation and machine learning are researched, developed, and deployed in a way which vindicate social values of fairness, human autonomy, and justice."
Big if true, but 2017 was five years ago -- what's the deal? Did they advance the artificial intelligence research and vindicate the social values? Did they spend all the money and accomplish nothing? This seems like a relevant detail, if we're going to devote a whole subsection to that fact that they got the grant.
There are several other projects and initiatives mentioned here, which seem like they'd be very important and impactful if they actually happened, but for whatever reason our article does not seem to spend any time figuring out if they amounted to anything. If it's not possible to find out what became of them, then they probably aren't notable for us to mention in an article. jp×g 05:54, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
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