Talk:Aran jumper

message: I know the various cables knitted into these arans have meanings and names. There is the saxon braid, which represents strength; the luckenbooth medallion, which represents love; the standard braid, which represents longevity; the basket weave, which represents a bountiful harvest (of fish); and that diamond shaped one, which represents money. I recall that the braids picked for an aran were dependent on the wish of the wife for their husband while he was out to sea. So these sweaters not only represented a great deal of work, but a great deal of thought regarding the well being of the family (even the wool used was raw or partially raw, so that the aran would be water resistant against the sea-spray). I don't know if the meaning behind the cables should have its own section or not, but it seems important. Can anyone find a source of the meanings of the cables?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.59.249 (talk) 00:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Although it says that there are no longer as many hand knitters of these garments, my Mother, who died last year had been knitting these since I was a baby, a half century ago, for assorted businesses and wool shops around the West of Scotland. (She also knitted Fair Isle, Lopi, etc.) Much of my younger days were spent wearing such jumpers, hats, trousers, etc. The weight of some of these garments was quite notable at times, as was the feel of the wool against bare skin.2.101.151.84 (talk) 11:10, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning of the cables?

message: I'm sorry, but I think the reference to Arran has no place here. These sweaters are from the Aran Islands, off Ireland, not the Isle of Arran off Scotland. That a few knitwear manufacturers/pattern makers have jumped on a marketing opportunity born from the confusing names and started to make and sell "Arran sweaters" that look like Aran sweaters does not change that. 
See this article which states that Arran is not the sweater Island (granted, it's on another wiki so not a reference as such). There is no mentions of sweaters on the Isle of Arran page, but lots on the Aran Islands page. I am not going to remove it to-day because I would like other input, but I am going to remove it if no-body objects. Abbeyvet 22:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Aran/Arran

message: ==== Adding info to Isle of Arran and Aran Islands ====
I have knitted in Scotland for the last 20 years and had never realised that 'Arran' knitting was actually 'Aran' knitting. Google and wikipedia tell me I'm not the only one who hadn't heard this interesting piece of information. I think it is worth recording. I have added a small note to both the Arran Islands and Isle of Aran articles, referencing an article in The Telegraph.. I *sigh* added these before I read the history of this page and saw how bizarrely contentious it is. Please discuss *here* if anyone disagrees with my edits on those pages. Justinep 21:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's tell other people about the Aran/Arran confusion 

message: I have knitted in Scotland for the last 20 years and had never realised that 'Arran' knitting was actually 'Aran' knitting. Google and wikipedia tell me I'm not the only one who hadn't heard this interesting piece of information. I think it is worth recording. I have added a small note to both the Arran Islands and Isle of Aran articles, referencing an article in The Telegraph.. I *sigh* added these before I read the history of this page and saw how bizarrely contentious it is. Please discuss *here* if anyone disagrees with my edits on those pages. Justinep 21:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding info to [[Isle of Arran]] and [[Aran Islands]] 

message: I have added an 'Aran versus Arran' section, where we can describe the confusion. I have added my Telegraph quote and put in one of the references that has been previously edited out and in and out of the page. Justinep 21:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This disagreement is relevant to this page! 

message: ==== Yet another reference - this time an actual book ====
I have added a reference to a scholarly book on the subject of textiles and their origin and history. I don't see why this can't stand on its own as a definitive source. If anyone can find me a quote on the 'Arran' side of the debate from researchers/authors that also earn their living from being experts in this field, do please mention it. Justinep 21:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I have added a reference to a scholarly book on the subject of textiles and their origin and history. I don't see why this can't stand on its own as a definitive source. If anyone can find me a quote on the 'Arran' side of the debate from researchers/authors that also earn their living from being experts in this field, do please mention it. Justinep 21:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yet another reference - this time an actual book 

message: These are not in the article at time of writing, but in case someone sees fit to put them back in, and given I've just read them all, I may as well discuss them. Please don't put them back onto the main page without reading my comments, and responding to them on this talk page. Justinep 21:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References repeatedly removed and re-added 

message: *Perhaps there should be a different article for Arran Sweater, or Arran Sweater (Scotland) ...  Smee 15:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Make "Arran" a separate article...

message: It's an excellent article but it clearly mistitled.  Aran jumpers are known as such in Ireland, which is a mainly English speaking country.  You yanks already have the jumper page called sweaters!  In Ireland only a tourist shop would refer to a jumper as a sweater as the article states.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordjaysus (talk • contribs) 22:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this; it looks plain odd for an item which would invariably be called a jumper where it originated to be changed to a sweater just for U.S. readers; the word “sweater” is known and used in the U.K., I’ll grant you that, but not in conjunction with the garment in question, and certainly not as part of a phrase used as a name for it. Imagine if there was an article on the “Cowboy titfer” or “basketball san’sheen” just because a titfer is another word for a hat, and san’sheen (or jimmies or gu’ies) is a well known word in Scotland for athletic footwear…? 81.178.162.93 (talk) 17:01, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

text: I agree with the above comments and have moved the article to 'jumper'. 'Aran sweater' will of course redirect here. Cooke (talk) 10:56, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page title needs to be changed 

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