Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Singapore/2007 archive

message: Lots of articles on subjects in Singapore start with a huge slew of names in English, Malay, Tamil, Mandarin, Hokkien, Cantonese, Proto-Quechua, etc.  While this information is useful for some, it adds a lot of clutter to articles and often makes the first sentence nearly impossible to read:
: The Mass Rapid Transit or MRT (Traditional Chinese: 大眾快速交通 or more commonly known as 地鐵; Simplified Chinese: 大众快速交通 or more commonly known as 地铁; Malay: Sistem Pengangkutan Gerak Cepat; Tamil: சிங்கை துரிதக் கடவு ரயில்) is a rapid transit system...
I think an infobox along the lines of the koreanname template to the left would be a good way of storing and displaying this info.  Opinions?  Jpatokal 04:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Agree --ZhongHan  (Email) 14:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Disagree. There are plenty of templates on specific subject matter which does the same thing, so how useful will another box be?--Huaiwei 14:53, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Of course it's a generic box, if there's a more specific one then obviously use that one instead. Jpatokal 15:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox for names? 

message: Question - is it possible to make it collapsible? --ZhongHan  (Email) 07:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can, but why? There's some template you have to use though. Terence Ong 07:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because, my dear friend, I feel it's <insert list of expletives here /> long and because many other navigational templates are. The closest is , but makes the text align centre instead of align left, and can get a little messy, to put it nicely. --ZhongHan  (Email) 14:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{Tl|Singapore topics}} 

message: The following four Singapore-related articles are close to meeting the Good Article criteria. 
*Singapore general election, 2006: This article is rated A-Class, and therefore should meet the GA criteria. However, Terence Ong mentioned that the article needs copyediting.
*Singapore 2006: This article is rated B-Class. It currently has 47 references. I do not see any reason why it does not meet the GA criteria.
*I Not Stupid: I have been working on this article for several months. It is currently B-Class. Once the "Production" section is complete, it should meet the GA criteria.
*Fann Wong: Ryan-D and Voda voda have been working on this article for several a few months. It is currently B-Class. Once the "Personal life" section is complete, it should meet the GA criteria. 
On 16 December 2006, I will nominate all four articles, together with Daniel Brandt, for GA status. It usually takes about a week for an article to be reviewed. If minor changes or clarifications are needed, a reviewer may place the article on hold, giving you another 7 days to address their concerns.
I encourage all Singaporean Wikipedians to collaborate on these articles. We should address any issues that are raised, and improve the articles to ensure they meet the GA criteria. Having more Singapore-related articles achieving GA status means Wikipedia's coverage of Singapore has improved, and this helps to counter systemic bias.
Besides working on the production section of I Not Stupid, I will help copy-edit Singapore general election, 2006, and ensure NPOV and compelling prose in Fann Wong.
--J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have submitted my nominations of all five articles (including Daniel Brandt). You may wish to comment in I Not Stupid's ongoing peer review. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, I Not Stupid's GA nomination failed, and Fann Wong was placed on hold. Money No Enough's DYK nomination was successful. I will do my best to address the concerns raised by the GA reviewer. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:40, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fann Wong passed. Congratulations, Ryan-D! --J.L.W.S. The Special One 08:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Daniel Brandt failed (none of our business). Singapore general election, 2006 has been placed on hold. Please collaborate to address the issues raised, most notably several unreferenced paragraphs and information that may be out-of-date. Singapore 2006 has not been reviewed yet. Based on the ongoing discussion on I Not Stupid's talk page, I doubt it will be able to achieve GA status in the future. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Singapore 2006 has been reviewed, but the outcome of the review is unclear. On the talk page, the template indicates that the nomination failed, but the heading indicates that the article has been placed on hold. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Four potential Singaporean [[WP:GA|GA]]s! 

message: anyone want to help out?--D-Boy 10:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry this is the wrong place. We are supposed to discuss things related to Singapore or chat about anything fun. But this is the wrong place if you are asking for people to help out. Terence Ong 13:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Saivism]] 

message: If this is in the wrong place, apologies in advance; I don't really "do" Wikiproject & I know next to nothing about Singapore, but I was doing grammar/style cleanup & came across the Einstein Kristiansen page. He's a Norwegian cartoonist, but, according to the limited amount of info on the bio, he mostly produces children's television broadcast in SE Asia, especially Singapore.
There's very little info on any of the shows, so I created null links on them. Anyone who's got a head full of Singaporean-children's-TV knowledge, head over there? I didn't know where else to put this.
Again, sorry if I'm in the wrong place. Back to my comma-placement corner!
--Parcequilfaut 05:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can you add Einstein Kristiansen to the "Expand/Improve" category? 

message: Dear SGpedians,
In the coming weeks, several editors from WikiProject Meteorology and possibly some from Malaysia and Indonsia will be collaborating on a major article pertaining to the current December 2006 floods on the Malay Peninsula, including Singapore, and Sumatra. There are several issues which we must clear up before the creation of this article, including fixing the appropriate nomenclature and scope for the article. Please consider helping out in this collaboration. A sandbox and talkpage have been created. On a separate note, here's wishing all of you a merry Christmas. - SpLoT (*C*+u+g) 05:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Floods in Malaysia, Singapore and Sumatra 

message: mrbrown is being AFD'ed. Do take a look at the discussion. --Rifleman 82 21:39, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afd for [[mrbrown]] 

message: I found the Bonny Hicks article on the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bonny_Hicks, did a little research on it, and greatly expanded the article from a stub. One prominent journal source called her first book "a significant milestone in Singapore’s literary and cultural history". So much for the dismissive "not notable" votes on the AfD page!
At any rate, Talk:Bonny_Hicks still has a template saying that the article is Stub-Class and of Low-importance. Obviously, neither of these are the case at all. Does anyone know how to go about changing this?  Would anyone be willing to please initiate a re-evaluation? 
CyberAnth 09:09, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the article needs Categories, and I am just not knowledgeable enough about them all to know what to add. CyberAnth 09:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Bonny Hicks]]

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When do we start nominating for the awards? I like the idea, an interesting one. Terence Ong 16:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: Someone hacked into my wikipedia user account in October, and put up Chandran Nair as Singapore's National Poet in List of national poets using my user account, ivygohnair.  I only discovered that this list existed a few days ago on google! Chandran Nair is not Singapore's National Poet and I have rectified this.Ivygohnair 18:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Singapore's National Poet 

message: I've cleaned up the copyvio in this article. All but the Process section. Maybe someone can help with that? --Rifleman 82 16:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[NEWater]]

message: An article you created or improved has been selected for Featured Article Review. Please see the talk page and the nomination page for ways you can improve it. Jeffpw 09:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has really serious problems, I can't improve with that. I guess we have to let the article be de-featured. Terence Ong 10:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An article with so many "neutrality disputed", etc. tags doesn't deserve Featured Article status. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[British East India Company]]

message: It reached 100! Gratz SGpedians! btw is this nice?  -- 
--GravityTalk 02:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amount of users!!! 

message: As we should all know, the ASEAN summit has ended not too long ago. This gives us plenty of material to work on to expand the ASEAN article, especially given the fact that they are planning an ASEAN reform in time for the next summit. Ariedartin JECJY Talk 03:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work on [[ASEAN]] 

message: There is a lot of overlap in terms of articles at SG Infopedia as well as detail of coverage. How does one go about using or citing it?
For example, a wiki article on Howe Yoon Chong(former MP of Potong Pasir) has yet to be created. But SGInfopedia has possibly the most accurate and certainly the most comprehensive writeup done. Any wiki article would effectively be a a re-write of the same information. 
http://infopedia.nlb.gov.sg/articles/SIP_652_2005-01-11.html
Koxinga CDF 03:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. Those articles are quite well sourced. Not sure how to use them, have to be careful not to violate copyright. As a start, I will generate a list of missing articles. --Vsion 04:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: See Wikipedia:SGpedians' notice board/Infopedia articles for the list of infopedia articles. -Vsion 04:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that many of the articles on the list exist, but are under different names (some by NLB are pretty weird IMO, like the Woodlands MRT line). - Mailer Diablo 05:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SG Infopedia 

message: I'd like to say that there should be an improvement drive going on.  Instead of creating 3 or 4 stubs a day, we should likely improve, edit or read up on the relevant subjects.  Reading some of these articles reminds one of watching One Leg Kicking. A lot of links are there because its Singapore-related, not because the article writer has anything encyclopedic to say. mandel 23:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: moved to talk page.Vsion 02:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd like to second what Mandel has said. My impression is that many editors are creating Singapore-related articles – which is a great thing – but leaving most of them as stubs rather than making the effort to try and expand them into full encyclopedic articles. I'd like to encourage all editors interested in Singapore-related topics to do so. Cheers, Jacklee 20:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Improving articles

message: Share with all a new template: . This is an automatic external link to the statute at the Attorney-General's website. It's modeled after . I'll do the documentation when I have a bit of time.
There is probably a list of Singapore-templates. If someone knows where that is, please let me know here, and/or add this template to that list. --Rifleman 82 07:49, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added it to the "Templates to use" section in the article. Cheers, Jacklee 19:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template: {{tl|Singapore Statute}} 

message: Copyvio at this page. Perhaps someone can help rewrite and reference properly? --Rifleman 82 05:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Singapore_Airlines_Flight_117]] 

message: I notice that when loading :Wikipedia:Meetup/Singapore 1, I generally get an error message, instead of being redirected to Wikipedia:SGpedians' notice board/Meetup. Does anyone else have the same problem? --ZhongHan  (Email) 02:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be working fine now. --ZhongHan  (Email) 04:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Wikipedia:Meetup/Singapore 1]] does not redirect properly 

message: I was wondering what you guys think if I nominated Asian Communication Resource Centre for deletion merge. It's basically just one library out of the several Nanyang Technological University Libraries . I'm not sure how notable it is as a source of Asian material, though I use it everyday. :) If there is no objection..... Aarontay 08:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nominate it by all means. - SpLoT // 08:20, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay done. I have proposed merging it into  Nanyang Technological University Libraries would be better since it is already part of the article. Aarontay 08:36, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Asian Communication Resource Centre]] 

message: I don't think this deserves an article. {Slash-|-Talk} 04:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common Indian Surnames in Singapore? 

message: List of common Chinese surnames in Singapore has been listed for deletion.  If you're interested, please comment on its AfD - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of common Chinese surnames in Singapore.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 07:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article listed for deletion 

message: There will be a meetup on 10 March 2007 at Chaerani's house. It will be a full day event, though you can join and leave in the afternoon or evening. Do confirm your attendance by 3 March 2007 as we need to estimate how many participants will there be. Terence Ong 恭喜发财 11:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meetup on 10 March 

message: For info, Jurong Point was speedy deleted about a month ago, I just realized it. I have sent a note to the Admin who did it, requesting explanation. --Vsion 04:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasent there an AFD on this topic before, which resulted in its deletion? Think it is speedied now coz it was recreated.--Huaiwei 15:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jurong Point]] speedied 

message: Greetings, fellow SGpedians. After a month-long hiatus, I am gradually returning to regular editing. However, I believe I still need to learn how to handle conflicts better and not let the verifiability policy hinder my ability to write. Please help me in that aspect by commenting at my editor review. Thanks. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 09:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please comment at my editor review. 

message: There is a heading in the article for "Narration requests". What is narration? Cheers, Jacklee 19:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Narration means reading out loud, recording that, and uploading it for everyone to hear it in orthodox Singrish. -- 我♥中國 18:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: EDIT: :) -- 我♥中國 18:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narration? 

message: Hi, fellow SGpedians. I created a new Singapore-related stub yesterday, called , not realizing that there was actually a procedure for nominating the creation of new stub categories. (Oops, mea culpa.) Anyway, someone has nominated this new stub for deletion. I have entered a "keep" request with justifications. If you would like to support this stub, please enter your comments at "Stub types for deletion". Cheers, Jacklee 12:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The number of articles seems rather limited now, hence their primary contention to remove it other than it not following "procedures" (darn the red tape! :D). Do you have intentions to greatly expand on this topic anytime soon?--Huaiwei 04:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did the same thing once and the stub-category I created got deleted. I think it is alright, there are good reasons not to have too many stub-categories, which primarily purpose is for monitoring. More people will monitor cat:singapore-stub than cat:singapore-law-stub. I believe you can still keep the template, but it will be recategorize to Cat:Singapore stubs and Cat:Law stubs instead. Thus, you can still get a listing of articles by using the "What links here" function . --Vsion 13:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Since there are not much law articles regarding Singapore here, there's no need for a particular stub type. Having two stub types will have more articles linked since people will watch these pages more. Its okay to let it be deleted. Terence 13:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Save the "Singapore law stub"! 

message: I have just signed up to the SGpedian community.  I am sixty years old and live in France but I return to Singapore at least twice a year for at least a month each time.  I would like to get to know fellow SGpedians in WP, so I have made a proposal for the next Meetup to be at my place.  Please see the Meetup section.  Looking forward to seeing you on 1st July. Ivygohnair 07:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello 

message: Refering to Vsion's post on  SG project assessment above:
A list of sg-articles that have not been assessed can be found in User:Vsion/temp3. If interested please help to add the sg-template (Template:SG) to the talk pages and rate the importance and status of these article. Information on how to apply the template is given in Template:SG. Thanks. --Vsion 04:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I believe that's the case, since anyone is entitled to edit Wikipedia. It's also open to people to reassess and re-rate articles that have already been rated – and in fact, this should probably be done regularly. Cheers, Jacklee 00:57, 24 March 2007 
(UTC)
Thanks for your prompt reply, Jack Lee. I propose that we should review this practice. As it stands, it leaves the door open to hastily rated articles by individuals (who might not even bother to comment on the reasons for their ratings even though this is asked for in the SG template itself). An editor who has spent considerable effort creating an article should surely have the right to know why his or her article is rated poorly. We also have to be extra sensitive about biographies of living persons for real people's reputations are at stake here.  The fact that any other individual can use the same template and re-rate articles seems a little bit crazy, like the law of the jungle, and would lead to edit wars and possible 3R violations. Also what happens if an article is also international in scope? Does the creator have the right to ask it not to be under the umbrella of the SG Wiki Project? 
Singapore is a small country which has distinguished itself internationally by its many outstanding achievements. SGpedians should be careful not to tarnish her reputation by  continuing this unfair and unreasonable practice in an open and international forum such as WP.Ivygohnair 02:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I can tell you this much, the ArbCom would not accept a request because there is no dispute to arbitrate (yet). They'd probably end up admonishing whoever brought the case for wasting their time. See WP:DR for full steps if you truly believe there is a dispute. Cheers. – Chacor 03:19, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: As for "Also what happens if an article is also international in scope? Does the creator have the right to ask it not to be under the umbrella of the SG Wiki Project?", the answer is a resounding NO. See WP:OWN. No-one owns any article. "Creators" don't get extra input. If it is international in scope it will then fall under more than one project, but the Singapore project is more than free to tag it if it's related to Singapore. Cheers. – Chacor 03:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ivygohnair, I'm not sure what you're proposing is feasible. Even if your preferred policy were implemented, people who elected not to comply with it would be quite free to re-rate an article (and, indeed, to amend it) if they disagreed with the "official" rating. It seems to me that this is the essence of Wikipedia: an article evolves through the inputs of a number of editors and, perhaps after a while, stabilizes when consensus is more or less is reached as to its content. Order is not imposed from top down, and creators of articles are not specially privileged in any way. In fact, at the bottom of every editing page is the following statement: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." Cheers, Jacklee 03:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I left a note on her user talk page. --Coredesat 04:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  May I have an answer please? 

message: I was just raising some points I was concerned about here in this forum.  Is it necessary to set an admin on me for that?  What happen to the spirit of free debate and discussion that WP is supposed to incarnate?Ivygohnair 04:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one "set an admin" on you. Please don't make unsubstantiated accusations, which is in violation of WP:CIV and a failure to assume good faith. – Chacor 05:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Just a thought, but if he's talked to you before about this "on the request of SGpedians", it's possible he has this page watched and saw the discussion, and hence decided to remind you. – Chacor 05:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Beware of baseless claims. - SpLoT // 08:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raising some Points 

message: Fellow SGpedians, I have written an article on The Best Bet and nominated it for DYK. Please help me improve the article, and respond to the request for feedback I filed on the article. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The DYK nomination was successful! My next goal: I Not Stupid for GA status, and another DYK. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Best Bet]] 

message: Please leave comments at the peer review to help me improve the article to GA status. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 16:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have filed a peer review for [[I Not Stupid]]. 

message: A Southeast Asian task force within the Military History WikiProject has finally been created. If there is anyone here who is interested in the subject - stretching from the origins of civilisation up through today - I invite you to please come and lend your support, questions or comments, here. No serious responsibilities or obligations connected to signing up, only another way to meet one another, to work together to expand and improve Wikipedia's coverage of these subjects. Thank you. LordAmeth 06:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military History task force 

message: I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bilateral relations discussion

message: Please see Wikipedia:NUS Scholars Programme and its talk page. Someone please take them in hand! -- RHaworth 16:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The topics were very poorly selected. How did you get this list? Could you provide some background and the point of contact?  Thanks. --Vsion 05:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  USP 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:SG!
If you click on the above link, which was intended to point to the SGpedians' noticeboard, you will go to the Manual of Style, because the parser does not consider the exclamation mark to be part of the URL. During MSN Messenger conversations with Wikifriends, I have encountered this problem several times. URL parsers aside, even experienced Wikipedians are likely to confuse WP:SG! with WP:SG, or forget the exclamation mark when typing in the URL.
Hence, I propose that WP:SG should have a disambiguation link to WP:SG!, and vice versa. Besides pointing confused Wikipedians in the right direction, a disambiguation link from such a popular project page would give our noticeboard more exposure.
--J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, but we do have two new shortcuts at WP:SGN and WP:SGNB. Nonetheless, go ahead. - SpLoT // 14:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: You might also simply change WP:SG to point over here instead. (That’s allowed, isn’t it?) There are only a dozen legitimate references to WP:SG for the Manual of Style, mostly users’ talk pages, and most of them were added by the same user. Why clutter things up to disambiguate a link that’s hardly ever used? --Rob Kennedy 06:10, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we add a disambiguation link at [[WP:SG]]? 

message: Hi I have dabbled a bit in the Indonesian and Australian projects with the tagging of articles - and got into WP xxx class=NA tags on the talk pages of Categories - as a means of pulling in rogue categories, unpopulated ones, and generally creating Non-article XXXX page categories - it seems to help to get a sense of order. Is there anyone in the Singapore project who might see benefit of this for the singapore project? Just an idea - interested if anyone has any ideas on this for your project - cheers SatuSuro 13:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite sure what you're talking about here. Are you referring to the non-existence of a category for pages which are tagged NA class by ? - SpLoT // 13:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It can mean two - things.  1. All categories in most projects are not tagged - but in the ones I have mentioned above -  Category talk:Australian sports articles by importance a recent edit - the category page is clearly identified as a non article page and is tied to the major project, and a sub project.   2. The NA class category can self ref (I havent been told otherwise so far)  -  I hope that explains clearly enough SatuSuro 14:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, I'm really sorry, but I don't understand what you're referring to. I know you're talking about NA-class articles and their categories. Would you like to see a category of NA-class SG articles? - SpLoT // 05:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

text: No need to apologise - it can be of a small benefit for a project to have all its categories effectively listed on a Non-article category page (from being tagged) - it is a tidy record of what categories have been caught by the process - I am more interested in the either approval or understanding of s SG project person who might either see some benefit by doing such a level of tagging - if there is no interest - no bother - I still have heaps to for the Indonesian and Australian projects - but if you were interested - its worth a start! SatuSuro 05:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, go ahead then! =)  I'm pretty clueless about how to add such a category, but if you can, please do! - SpLoT // 05:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories and NA

message: For Singapore Changi Airport, a user keeps removing "Taiwan" from one of the names of it's international airports. And he said "the majority of singaporeans editors have agreed upon this and if you are unhappy about it...it is just too bad". I want to clarify, is there a consensus at all in the first place? - 218.186.9.4 14:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That article has experienced more than its fair share of heated debate. I would suggest that you raise that on the article talkpage, or contact the individual in question. However, in my knowledge, there has been no such agreement. But do check with other frequent editors of that article. Thanks for your concern. - SpLoT // 05:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Whatever the situation is, the best thing to do is to keep your cool and be polite. Assume good faith and remain civil, never ever make personal attacks against any user. Just discuss with that person on the talk page. Terence 06:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Perhaps, but it will be far more constructive to gain some kind of concensus in the talkpage of the Taiwanese airport (and not in the Changi article's talkpage) first, for in every content dispute, both users could very well think the other user as having a "Bad attitude". Meanwhile, you may wish to consider registering an account with us. :D--Huaiwei 06:16, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The naming of the airport affects all airport pages which has a connecting air service with it. Any changes in one page will obviously need to reflect changes in the other pages as well. There is already an on-going discussion on this matter at the talkpage of the Taiwanese airport, and should you insist on having a dictinct discussion at the Singapore airport's talkpage, you are simply fragmenting the discussion and will be counter-productive because whatever comes out of it is unlikely to overule decisions made in the Taiwanese airport's talkpage.--Huaiwei 13:25, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That is a rather odd presumption, and is also at odds with Wikipedia's concensus policy. Could you provide the diffs to explain your reasoning?--Huaiwei 14:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Then all you need to do, is to remove the said edit by the new user and provide a link to the discussion page in the edit summary in the bare minimum. This is not a good reason to fragment the discussion, for how in the world do you expect to come up with a single concensus if people are talking independently from each other in multiple places?--Huaiwei 14:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: We make do with whatever is available to us, but this dosent mean proposing a counter-productive means of doing things. We arent multiplying negatives here in the hope of getting something positive. ;)--Huaiwei 15:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Consensus?

message: The article Eliyathamby makes many boastful claims without any reference or verification.
Was he really ever in the Forbes List?
Was his net worth about $9B (Singapore or US dollar)?.
The rest of the articles also seem very poor quality. Can someone clarify and if the facts are true reference it to make it more professional. Without references or links it is useless. Another thing is there are no dates or names properly. The whole article seems like a school boy boast. 
Busterbenbusterben
:I tagged Eliyathamby as suspected hoax. Let's see what happen. If we still can't verify the information within the next few days, the article should be listed at Afd. --Vsion 17:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For a person who is supposed to be a pioneer of Singapore, there certainly seems to be dearth of verifiable information on him. I ran all the books listed in the "References" section through the on-line catalogues of the National University of Singapore Libraries and the National Library of Singapore. The only one which popped up was the first one. I also did a "Find" on the web page containing the Genealogy of the Royal Family of Jaffna listed in the "External links" section, and "Eliyathamby" did not appear anywhere on it. Hmmm... (I've put a copy of this message at "Talk:Eliyathamby".) Cheers, Jacklee 23:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eliyathamby - Just Curious 

message: Please also take a look at Angsoontong. Despite the murder case, how much is known about this gang? Is the article, in its current state, worth keeping?--Vsion 03:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, imo. It's cluttered with original research. The one source only references that Tan Chor Jin incident. - SpLoT // 07:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Angsoontong]] 

message: Its been a few weeks/months since the issue of verification/references cropped up for the page Eliyathamby. In the absence of any references or proofs, it is not wikipedia material. What is equally disturbing is in the page of two other billionaires, Ng Teng Fong and T. Ananda Krishan, Elyathamby's name comes up with no reason. Factual accuracy and relevance are issues in those pages. Is he the real brother of TAK? If not is it relevant to have his name in that page? I believe the families come from different villages in Jaffna so it is unlikely they are brothers. 
Did NTF become a billionaire because of Eliyatamby? If so please quote with reference for the relevance. 
I have been unable to locate the Forbes edition which valued ET's wealth at $9.6B yet.
Either references or the relevance of it must be shown. Otherwise it is safe to assume, people are acting together with the intention of "creating" a profile. I hope Admins look into this seriously and the SGPedians pay attention to ensure that all articles related to Singapore maintain the necessary standards. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Busterben (talk • contribs) 19:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is now nominated for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eliyathamby. Thanks for alerting us on this matter. --Vsion 05:31, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References for Eliyathamby and Other issues 

message: The Singapore Grand Prix and Singapore Street Circuit articles are very similar to each other. They should be merged. - 218.186.9.1 13:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please confine the discussion to Talk:Singapore Grand Prix. Thanks!--Huaiwei 13:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I have filed peer reviews for 3 articles on Singaporean films - I Not Stupid, I Not Stupid Too and Singapore Dreaming.
*I Not Stupid's peer review
*I Not Stupid Too's peer review
*Singapore Dreaming's peer review
Please help fight systemic bias by commenting at the peer reviews! I am aiming to get I Not Stupid and Singapore Dreaming to GA status, while for I Not Stupid Too, I would like to find out whether such a goal would be feasible.
--J.L.W.S. The Special One 01:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have filed peer reviews for 3 articles on Singaporean films. 

message: John Martin Scripps has been listed for peer review. Feel free to comment and give suggestions to improve the article on the review page. Resurgent insurgent 14:31, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You forgot to add the  tag to the talk page. That aside, I think the article has GA potential, and you should consider a GA nomination after you have addressed all the concerns raised at the peer review. The article could do with a dedicated group of 3-5 editors working on it and pushing for GA status. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I used the WikiProject Biography template's peer-review option to link to the PR. A bot pulls all WikiProject-internal PR's onto wikipedia:peer review at regular intervals so they get equal exposure. Resurgent insurgent 16:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review 

message: I've created a simplified rail map of the North South MRT Line using resources from Wikipedia:Railway_line_template. Seeing that each of the pages for each MRT line lacked a simple rail map with the names of each station on them, I went to create one. The map features stations, tunnels, interchanges, and crossovers with only main roads. I hope that those interested could take a look at it, possibly use it, and perhaps create versions for the other lines as well. 
If there are any comments about it, go ahead and use my talk page. 리지강.wa.au 15:56, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey the map is damn cute! So it is meant to go into the North South MRT Line article?--Huaiwei 15:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeh, that was my original intention, unless you have other plans for it? I posted here first just to see if you guys won't mind it. It's rather messy where the interchanges are concerned though. Can't seem to find a way to make interchange stations one entire blob rather than individual circles. I have also created one for the NE Line, which was much easier, considering that it's all underground. 리지강.wa.au 16:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be a good substitute for the "stations" sections we have now, although I agree the representation for interchange stations seem to look rather odd, as thou they are not directly connected? Hope this may be overcome somehow?--Huaiwei 13:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that it can be solved by the "Branches and junctions" on the template page.--Joshua Say "hi" to me!What have I done? 14:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm...I just noticed there is a software called Spoorstrip.exe. Did any of you obtain it already? I may get it and try my own hand in drawing routes too!--Huaiwei 16:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there is a program that can be downloaded to make things easier, but there were some problems cited about the ease of using it. Especially for long lines. 리지강.wa.au 07:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. It is strange that the station icons lack one for interchange stations with branch lines, or did we not experiment with that yet? The codes are quite mind-boggling to deal with as it is!--Huaiwei 03:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simplified MRT rail maps 

message: Before my mid-year exams, I drafted a propopsal for a "GA drive" - a plan aiming to double the number of Singaporean GAs from 5 to 10. With Glenn Knight achieving GA status on 22 May, and John Martin Scripps now on FAC, I think it is time to present my proposal.
We should maintain a list of articles which have "GA potential" (generally B-class articles which would meet the GA criteria if several non-major concerns are addressed). The articles should then be "adopted" by a group of three to five SGpedians, who will collaborate to address the concerns, submit the article for peer review and eventually file a successful GA nomination. 
Since some will object based on WP:OWN concerns, I must emphasise that anyone should be welcome to improve articles undergoing a "GA drive", and those adopting the article should not attempt to own it. Although most articles are gradually improved through the "wiki process", high-quality articles (such as GAs and FAs) are usually the work of a dedicated group of core editors. Unlike a backlog of articles to improve, or a collaboration of the week, a "GA drive" encourages Wikipedians to focus on improving one or two articles, now.
Below is a draft "GA drive" list. Feel free to nominate or adopt articles. The list should eventually be moved to a section on WP:SG! or (less preferred) a subpage. If the "GA drive" is successful, I will post it on the Village Pump and suggest other WikiProjects adopt this method of collaboration.
GA drive list:
*I Not Stupid - adopted by Hildanknight (primary contributor)
*Singapore Dreaming - adopted by Goh wz (primary contributor)
*Singapore 2006 - adopted by no one yet
*John Martin Scripps (if FAC fails) - adopted by no one yet FAC passed, congratulations!
--J.L.W.S. The Special One 08:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a bad proposal. As I've some experience with GAs and FAs, anyone working on the above who needs a 2nd op etc. can drop me a msg on my talkpage. Chensiyuan 09:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the articles in :Category:Top-importance Singapore articles are GA and FAC potentials because of the significance of the topics, interests in them, and the availability of sources. Do consider them as well. --Vsion 17:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Vsion, GA potential depends on several factors, primarily the quality of the article and the topic. The "GA drive" list should contain articles which have strong GA potential due to their quality - if an article listed also has strong GA potential due to its topic, consider that a bonus. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 09:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To follow your point, there is also a list of :Category:B-Class Singapore articles based on quality. The table indicates that there are 13 Top-importance B-Class articles. In addition, there are two Top-importance A-Class articles waiting for a push to FAC. Consider these as the ones with "bonus" ;). Of course, some of them needs significant work, but that's what the drive is for. --Vsion 15:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you nominate the 13 Top-importance B-class articles for the "GA drive", so that others will adopt them and collaborate to improve them to GA status. (We will eventually move the "GA drive" list to the noticeboard or a subpage.) --J.L.W.S. The Special One 06:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: My congrats on our second FAC. ;) Anyway I wish I have the time to "adopt" the Singapore 2006 article, since I was very much involved in it. Hope others may assist in it while I try to find time later...if I can! :D--Huaiwei 03:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: S2006 needs a lot of improvement in content. Logistics stuff should be added and hotels, retail as well as daily events. CNA has a huge repository of articles to cite sources from. =) It may get to GA but I doubt it will pass FAC. Terence 12:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huaiwei, I hope you find the time to adopt (and work on) the article. Terence, having identified broad coverage as the main issue, would you like to adopt Singapore 2006? Although I won't adopt the article (I've already adopted I Not Stupid), I'll try to make minor improvements whenever I can. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 06:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm I will probably come to it later...not this week definitely until I meet my major deadlines at work! :D--Huaiwei 16:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA drive 

message: The Ho Yeow Sun and City Harvest Church are being zealously guarded by fans (or possibly one person with many sockpuppets, compare , , ) who are deleting any additions that are not sufficiently complimentary to their favorite artist/church.  Assistance in sorting this out would be appreciated. Jpatokal 07:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While contributions in adherence to WP:NPOV will always be needed in this website, I am pretty sure requests for such contributions can do just fine without provocative, discriminatory, and condescending undertones. Perhaps, than, people will be far more accomodative, and other uninvolved parties more forthcoming in offering help.--Huaiwei 16:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The edit war at the article is in full swing again.  I've had it up to here with it, but Sgpedians with time to spare (and there are lots!) might want to pop in. Jpatokal 19:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ho Yeow Sun and City Harvest Church 

message: I notice that over at Citizendium, there is no article on Singapore yet. Anyone game enough to join me to set things up? With a little effort we could easily make Singapore an approved article (approximately equal to our "featured article") there.
(However, a search for "Singapore" reveals there are three Singapore-related articles already - Singapore English, Vanessa Mae, and Bonny Hicks.)
There are disadvantages to using Citizendium: You will need to tell the constables (their equivalent of administrators) your real name when you apply for an account so you can edit. (My application is still waiting for approval; no idea how long it will take.) Second, according to this section of their image use policy, they disallow uploads of images from Wikipedia or Commons unless they can verify the real identity of the image's creator. But I think in the end the benefits will outweigh the disadvantages - regardless of whether Citizendium becomes a large-scale competitor to Wikipedia. No encyclopedia worth its salt would lack coverage on Singapore and because we are used to editing in a wiki environment, I think we are well-suited to go in there and write some good stuff. Resurgent insurgent 14:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pioneers of Singapore needed 

message: Coloane has filed a Good Article Review for Singapore. Please participate in the discussion and address concerns raised by Coloane so that Singapore will not lose its GA status. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:32, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Singapore]] is undergoing a Good Article Review. 

message: On 8 June 2007, Can't sleep, clown will eat me speedy deleted Xiaxue. Six days later, Vague Rant undeleted the article per my request on IRC. The article was subsequently nominated for deletion - please participate in the deletion discussion.
Could an SGpedian with Newslink access please e-mail me newspaper articles pertaining to Xiaxue, so that I can write a neutral article based on information in said newspaper articles? I have e-mailed her regarding the deletion of the article, and she has responded requesting I help her re-write the article.
--J.L.W.S. The Special One 16:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You haven't set an email address so Special:Emailuser/Hildanknight doesn't work. Resurgent insurgent 16:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When I joined Wikipedia, I did set an e-mail address in my preferences, but did not enable e-mails from other users due to concerns over spam. Are such concerns unfounded? Anyway, my e-mail address is hildanknight(AT)gmail(DOT)com. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A person must be logged in and their account must have an email address defined before they can use Special:Emailuser. You will not reveal your email address until and unless you reply to their email. Resurgent insurgent 08:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I will definitely go for strong keep with more sources. Keep us posted, please. Sorry I can't help you out with this one, Hildanknight. - SpLoT // 16:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can't help by searching Newslink for newspaper articles on Xiaxue, you can help by participating in the AFD, voting Strong Keep with your reasoning (or simply per Hildanknight). An SGpedian who has Newslink will have to provide the sources. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Xiaxue]] needs attention 

message: I am about to expand the coverage of Singaporean orders and decorations, however could I please get confirmation on what should be the primary language to describe each medal/award? At the moment, there exist both English-primary pages (The Star of Temasek) and Bahasa-primary pages (Pingat Gagah Perkasa). Is there any chance of getting consensus on what should be the primary page? Many thanks... PalawanOz 14:28, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are the English names official as well as the Malay names? - SpLoT // 14:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Prime Minister's page here has the Malay name listed first, then the English name in brackets. Is that some kind of convention in Singapore? PalawanOz 14:41, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm not wrong, Malay is our national language, and English, Chinese, Tamil as well as Malay are our official languages. That's why the accolades are in Malay - tradition and historical links to Malaysia. Since the Prime Minister's Office website lists it in Malay, it seems to me that the Malay names are official, while the English names are merely translations. So I'd say change all the article names to Malay. Thanks, SpLoT // 15:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: SpLoT is right. Article 153A of the Constitution states that Malay is the national language of Singapore, while Malay, Mandarin (not "Chinese"), Tamil and English are official languages. By the way, it may interest you to know that some orders and decorations are authorized by specific pieces of legislation. For instance, the Singapore Armed Forces National Service Medal is authorized by the Singapore Armed Forces National Service Medal Rules 1997 (S 335/1997), and the Pingat Jasa Perwira (Tentera) (Singapore Armed Forces Medal for Distinguished Act) by the Pingat Jasa Perwira (Tentera) (Singapore Armed Forces Medal for Distinguished Act) Rules 1997 (S 336/1997). Both pieces of subsidiary legislation were made under the authority of the Constitution. It would be good if some reference could be made in the article to this fact. I would imagine that there is legislation out there governing the conferment of all orders and decorations, but haven't found it yet. Cheers, Jacklee 16:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Almost all state medals and decorations are official known by their Malay names. The English name equivalant is there for the benefit of non-Malay speakers only.--Huaiwei 17:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singaporean medals 

message: Is the meetup November or May? Conflicting information, text on page states May, template states November. --ZhongHan  (Email) 11:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the proposed meeting in May did not take place, so we postponed it to November, but forgot to update the template. Please hold the meetup after my O Levels - if I Not Stupid passes GA and I have become a valued member of the SGpedian community by then, I'd turn up. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 10:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have  editedthe page to reflect this. --ZhongHan  (Email) 04:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:BOLD, I have suggested 17 November as the date of the meetup. It is the first Saturday after the last paper for GCE O-level exams. --ZhongHan  (Email) 10:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Singapore 4|Meetup 4]] 

message: I'm not good at the coding and all that, but perhaps some form of infobox for places like our zoo, botanical gardens, bird park, sentosa etc. would give the articles a better look. Chensiyuan 04:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Singapore tourist attractions

message: A thorough expansion and copy-edit (with Haemo's help) of I Not Stupid has hopefully addressed the concerns about prose and coverage that led to the failure of the article's previous two GA nominations. As suggested by Haemo, I filed a fourth peer review as part of my final push towards GA status. I invite all SGpedians to comment at the peer review. Should the third GA nomination (which will take place on 15 July) succeed, I Not Stupid will be our 8th GA (unless Singapore loses its GA status before the nomination is passed). --J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please comment at [[I Not Stupid]]'s fourth [[Wikipedia:Peer review/I Not Stupid/archive5|peer review]]. 

message: I recently noticed an article Oh family, which claims the subject of the article is a long-running, famous Singaporean cartoon series about a family of anthropomorphic dim sums. The article goes into some detail regarding the characters and several episodes, however I am unable to verify the existence or any details at all of this series. I have tagged it as a possible hoax, but I would appreciate it if some Singaporean editors could confirm the existence of the cartoon. If it does exist, please remove the hoax tag and add any references that you know of. Regards, --Canley 11:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh?? I never heard of this before, suspected hoax. Terence 12:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never heard of it either. The article does not go into specifics, such as when the cartoon series was aired or who the actors were, suggesting it's a hoax. A cartoon series featuring "living timsums" sounds ridiculous. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Highly suspicious. Chensiyuan 13:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verification needed for article [[Oh family]] 

message: I've got a new bot: User:Chem-awb. I created it for mass tagging/untagging of Chemistry articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry, but if someone needs it here, I'll be happy to help as far as I can. --Rifleman 82 16:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot 

message: Unfortunately, I've had to mark the above article as a copyvio. Could someone who has time do up the article? Here's the  Qiaonan Primary School website for reference. --ZhongHan  (Email) 05:36, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. —Sengkang 06:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Qiaonan Primary School]] 

message: On 15 June 2007, Coloane filed a GA/R for Singapore. I posted a
notification here the day after, but no attempts to address the concerns. Here's another reminder that if no effort is made to improve the article, it will lose its GA status. Could several SGpedians participate in the GA/R discussion and try to deal with the issues Coloane has raised? Should the article be delisted, I will nominate it for the GA drive. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Singapore article is in need of a massive rewrite in several sections and topics. In fact, I didnt notice quite a number of defects in the article until a friend pointed them out to me when I introduced this site to him. Far too many microscoping views are being highlighted in the article in an attempt to say everything summary-style, which while sourcable, can be dangerously misleading and myopic. If it has to loost its GA status to encourage an article improvement drive, I will support that, and this time, I hope to be more actively involved in improving on it.--Huaiwei 17:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Today, while I Not Stupid's GA nomination passed, Singapore was delisted. Those wishing to improve the article may wish to refer to the version which passed GA (although referencing standards have risen since then). If the article had a couple of SGpedians committed to improving it, I wouldn't be surprised if it regains GA status within a month. Huaiwei, have you "met [your] major deadlines at work"? If so, could you adopt Singapore (or Singapore 2006)? --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WARNING: [[Singapore]] about to lose [[WP:GA|GA]] status 

message: I have deleted the yet to be created article, Felix Soh as it would most likely fail the notability test. Any comments on this would be greatly welcomed. --Siva1979Talk to me 06:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have deleted the yet to be created article, Jill Quek as it would most likely fail the notability test. A google search shows up no reliable sources for this subject. --Siva1979Talk to me 05:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have deleted the yet to be created article, Lim Peifen as it would most likely fail notability guidelines. --Siva1979Talk to me 09:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of Felix Soh 

message: Hi folks, many of our local hotel articles have been marked for AfD. Please take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Singapore. Thanks! —Sengkang 01:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that he has also nominated List of hotels in Singapore for deletion.--Huaiwei 12:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just realised that the real "instigator" behind the entire AFD exercise is actually User:Russavia (just check out Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Golden Landmark Hotel), a user who has shown an element of hostility towards the Little Red Dot, most notably in Singapore Airlines and its related articles. How very unprofessional of him.--Huaiwei 13:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, the nominator hasn't demonstrated much logic behind his nominations. Chensiyuan 13:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One cause of systemic bias is Wikipedians nominating articles on non-American topics for deletion, when they don't know anything about the topic, or whether it's notable. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Left a note at User_talk:Russavia#Hotels. Almost choked when I saw some of the nominations made, in particular Shangri-La Hotel Singapore!--Huaiwei 14:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Demonstrated hostility against Singaporean topics? I think not Huaiwei, but rather a dislike of cruft, non-notable topics, and PR type related material. Unfortunately, as they stand, those hotel articles are unsourced and do not assert any degree of notability (in at least one instance, the article has been tagged as such since October 2006, and still there has been no assertion of notability made). As you will have noticed, I have not nominated the Raffles, the old Westin Stamford, the Goodwood Park, and others, as they are clearly notable due to heritage/historical reasons, or other reasons, such as the Westin Stamford once being the tallest hotel in the world. Please don't assert that I have a grudge against anything to do with Singapore - it always has been (still is) one of my fave places in the world, and I know that Singaporeans are proud and protective of the Singapore name, but clearly some of the articles covered by this project do not belong in an encyclopaedia. And as you have noticed I have nominated many other hotels (not just in Singapore), and if you look at some of those deleted, they have previously been deleted on the same grounds, and recreated, again without providing any degree of assertion of notability. --Russavia 15:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: People wont notice the articles you dont nominate. They look at those you do, and from the range which you actually did, care to comment on the obvious irritation you are causing to users here due to the complete waste of time in having to justify obvious cases of notability? If the article is unsourced, made a request in the talkpage, or insert a citation tag. The AFD procedure is not for abuse by immature sore losers who are out to proof a point. And you can dry your crocodile tears and cut your act. Your own statements are an obvious hint on your true intentions in Singapore-related articles. Singaporeans being proud and protective of the Singapore name indeed!--Huaiwei 16:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Immature sore losers? As usual, Huaiwei resorts to insults instead of discussion. End of discussion. --Russavia 17:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its a discussion on you, not with you, so I doubt it has ever "started" as far as you are concerned. For the record, Russavia has proceeded to nominate List of hotels in Singapore and List of insurance companies in Singapore for deletion just to throw his ego around. Also check out how he refers to Singaporean contributors in general over here.--Huaiwei 06:50, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Its a discussion on you" - so you're making a comment on the contributor, not the content? Resurgent insurgent 05:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The posts above only says that much. You are free to make your own conclusions.--Huaiwei 06:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD alert

message: I have spent a bit of time updating the Singaporean orders and decorations and Awards and decorations of the Singapore Armed Forces pages, as well as the link pages for each individual medal. However - it has proven a very difficult thing to verify accurately, and I suspect that I may have some errors of fact in the order of precedence for the medals, and I may possibly be missing some as well. If possible, could someone please run their eye over the list, and let me know if it looks accurate?
I should point out that one reason I have had some difficulty is that the Government of Singapore seems very reluctant to give a full list of what awards and decorations they issue! For example, the PM's Office lists the civilian awards, but does not go into a huge amount of detail for them, nor does it mention how they relate to the military list. The Singapore Army medal info page only lists the medals for service, with no mention of the medals for gallantry. If anyone can cite an authoritative list, that would be great... failing that, is there an defence manual/publication that could be used as a reference?
Thanks!   PalawanOz 06:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: G'day mate! i attended the Singapore Honours, an exhibition honouring S'pore distinguised citizens upon my return from Sydney last year. It was held From Jun 22 - Aug 2006 at our National Library. The event also showcased the process of making the above medals & its criteria for award officially. Do check out & direct your enquiries here -- Aldwinteo 07:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singaporean Awards and Decorations 

message: Hi folks, can those on 'guard's duty', kindly cast their patrol wider to cover the abv article and other similar articles on past SG political detainees to thwart any potential vandalism & POV. Cos some human rights 'crusaders' have made substantial edits of late & making disparaging remarks on Chia, S'pore govt & Singaporeans on the article's talkpage. u may want to take a good look on the pix he use to depict Chia's detention on Sentosa. Thks & rgds,  -- Aldwinteo 14:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The protection policy states that "indefinite semi-protection may be used for...biographies subject to vandalism and/or POV-pushing that are not widely watchlisted". I believe that Chia Thye Poh falls under this criterion, and suggest you file a request for semi-protection. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chia Thye Poh 

message: Hi, all!  WP:LGBT just found History of homosexuality in Singapore (2000s) and tagged it with .  We don't really have much experience or knowledge around the content of the article, though, so if anyone from this group can give us a hand, it would be much appreciated!  Thanks :)  -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:30, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of... 

message: I have started a deletion review for List of hotels in Singapore at the administrator's talkpage. His deletion rationale, particularly "Just because the article is about Singapore does not make it article-worthy" (he has since removed that rationale thou) dosent appear particularly professionale given the discussions which took place make hardly any mention on keeping the article based on nothing but its association with Singapore.--Huaiwei 02:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: the above article's has been temporarily "stored" at User:Huaiwei/Cold Storage/List of hotels in Singapore‎ while I consider ways to resurrect the list in a way which ensures it fits within the criteria in Wikipedia:Lists. All are welcome to contribute ideas for the new list. Thanks!--Huaiwei 03:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion review for List of hotels in Singapore 

message: Yes, the Lion City turns 42 today. Did you watch the National Day Parade? I did. I couldn't stop singing, because I'm from Singapore. (Get it?) Next year, we should try to get a DYK (or even an FA) on the main page on 9 August. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: w00t, The Majestic, Singapore is on DYK now, complete with a photo too.  —Sengkang 15:05, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool! Anyone willing to try for a Singapore-related FA on the main page on 9 August 2008? May all Wikipedians hear the lion roar! --J.L.W.S. The Special One 05:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Er....how about Singapore itself? ;) Anyway happy belated birthday, Singapore. I couldnt post a greeting earlier as I was there to protect you. :D--Huaiwei 05:43, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Singapore lost its GA status last month, and is one of three articles I nominated for the most recent proposed GA drive. Once the article passes GA, we can aim for FA status! --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's National Day! 

message: Project SuperStar and Campus SuperStar are too long. Too much information are thrown into the articles, making them sound much like a news release. The scores of every stages are unnecessary and should be taken out. Remember, Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, or textbook. See also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Cocoma 22:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Probably organizing the information in a more tidy way would makes the articles better as shown on American Idol. Current score keeping makes the articles fairly long and cluttered. Cocoma 15:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project SuperStar, Campus SuperStar 

message: The article The Fullerton Singapore has been listed as copyright violation. See Talk:The Fullerton Singapore. Can anyone by any chance confirm this? Garion96 (talk) 21:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I was at LKC Reference Lib doing my research & compiling for my upcoming series of WWII writeups recently, I decided to help in checking out the copyvio mentioned by Reaperducer on July 27, 2007. My cross-checking shows that under "The Fullerton Building" section, from para 1 to para 7 (till "In the 1970s to 1995...), the text is a direct lifting of word for word from "S'pore 100 Historic Places" (2002) by NHB, Archipelago Press. As the Fullerton is both a heritage site and a national monument in S'pore, I hope fellow SGpedians wld chip in to rewrite the affected para so as to resolve on this issue quickly. FYI & rgds -- Aldwinteo 04:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted the article and created a stub. I hope it can be a good article again soon. Garion96 (talk) 18:00, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Issue resolved. —Sengkang 02:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suspected copyright violation 

message: I was wondering if I can see if any of yall could try and take photographs for this article. BTW, if the article feels short, check the history of the article before trying to smash my head open. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:06, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Majulah Singapura 

message: While expanding "Zubir Said", I created a new template, "" to explain that Malay names do not have have any surname. Feel free to use or improve it. A separate variation might be needed to explain the significance of bin (b.) and binte (bte.). And while we're at it, perhaps a template is needed for Indian names too! Cheers, Jacklee 06:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template: Malay name 

message: Nobody has objected to my idea of a GA drive, which I previously raised two times. In fact, this suggestion has received considerable support - for example, Chensiyuan commented: "Not a bad proposal". Several SGpedians have expressed interest in adopting articles: Huaiwei commented: "I wish I have the time to "adopt" the Singapore 2006 article", while SpLoT commented: "I'll also be adopting an article for the GA drive".
Therefore, I think it is time to get the ball rolling. If nobody objects within the next 72 hours, I will be bold and add a "GA drive" section to the SGpedians' notice board project page. Feel free to ask any questions about the GA drive, or suggest how the section should be formatted. For now, I'll use a simple format (two examples are shown below):
#I Not Stupid Too: The Plot section needs to be summarised and the Reception section expanded, after which the article should be copy-edited and checked for MoS violations.
#:adopted by Hildanknight
#Singapore 2006: The article's coverage of several areas, particularly logistics, is weak. Several sections lack references, and a copy-edit is needed.
#:adopted by Huaiwei
Once I add the section, the GA drive will start - albeit in an experimental stage. We will obviously need a critical mass of skilled SGpedian article writers to participate in the GA drive, if the experiment is to succeed.
--J.L.W.S. The Special One 16:20, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections? I've added the section. It will take me a couple of hours to flesh it out, though. Feel free to improve the wording. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 01:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Wah I dio arrow liao ah! :D Erm will try to look into this soon, but please dont rush it into a GA yet shall we? I would rather we submit a polished piece then a rushed one. Thanks!--Huaiwei 07:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Relax, Huaiwei. Only after at least three SGpedians adopt Singapore 2006 will the collaboration start. If you have "met [your] major deadlines at work", do adopt the article, and encourage others to. I agree that we should only submit a GA nomination when the article is the best it can be. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starting the GA drive 

message: Cleanup & references needed. I've tried to salvage as much as I can out of this piece of drivel. Anyone care to help? Or should we just send it to AfD?--Rifleman 82 03:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After reading the article once, I reckon there is nothing in it that can't be mentioned in Singapore or a sub-article thereof. Should be worth a redirect. Resurgent insurgent 14:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can see, it is an orphan. Why not speedy it and forget about it? --Rifleman 82 14:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't meet the speedy criteria. And plausibly anyone who's been given this phrase as an essay title might type it into the search box, where they would be redirected to a good starting point. (If you look at the first version of the page, it was created as a school essay too.) Resurgent insurgent 00:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Singapore as a regional and global hub]] 

message: Under "SGpedians' Resources", I noticed an FA - Arthur Ernest Percival - that was not listed in "Featured articles and other honourable mentions". Per the precedent set by Tropical Storm Vamei, all articles pertaining to Singapore are within our scope, and all FAs, GAs or DYKs within our scope should be listed in "Featured articles or other honourable mentions". Could an SGpedian add Arthur Ernest Percival to "Featured articles and other honourable mentions"? The article passed FAC on 22 February 2006 and appeared on the Main Page on 2 January 2007. If there is a reason for not listing Arthur Ernest Percival under "Featured articles and other honourable mentions", I would like to hear/read it. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 02:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Durian, an FA, is listed as being under our scope. How is the article within our scope? Although the fruit can be found in the Lion City, it is hardly part of Singaporean cuisine, unlike Hainanese chicken rice or roti prata. If the article really is within our scope, it should be listed in "Featured articles and honourable mentions". --J.L.W.S. The Special One 07:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Arthur Ernest Percival]] - an FA - not listed in "Featured articles and honourable mentions" 

message: I've updated the  template so that it is now possible to enter the short title ("name"), chapter number and year of the revised edition of a statute. This means that articles which make use of this template will need to be updated. Do help! Cheers, Jacklee 22:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singapore Statute template updated 

message: I've created a new template, "", which can be used at the top of biographical articles to explain that the subject does not have a surname, but that part of his or her name is a patronymic (that is, his or her father's name). Feel free to use and improve it.
As Indian names differ greatly, it may be necessary to create variations of this template – please leave a message on the template talk page if you have any suggestions. For instance, I've noticed that some people use "a/l" instead of "s/o" (son of). I assume that "a/l" means "son of" in Tamil, but don't know what it stands for or the equivalent of "daughter of". Also, someone will need to explain to me how Sikh names work. (Is "Kaur" or "Singh" regarded as a surname?) Cheers, Jacklee 09:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template: Indian name 

message: There are a lot of misleadings of CHC in chinese edition.
CHC in zh.wikipedia.org
Jyyihch 14:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please help the editing CHC article in chinese wiki 

message: Please note that the above template has been nominated by User:Circeus for deletion. See Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Singapore_building_infobox. —Sengkang 17:28, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not so much a deletion as a merger (which would keep the extra names parameters) into an existing template. Circeus 17:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Singapore building infobox]] for deletion 

message: Can anyone help provide English translations of the following book and film titles which are referred to in the article "Zubir Said"?
*Sumpah Pontianak and Chuchu Datuk Merah (these appear in the "Move to Singapore" section).
*Dang Anom (appears in the "'Mahjulah Singapura'" section).
*Membacha Musik (appears in the "Works" section).
*Mengenang Pak Zubir (appears in the "Further reading" section).
Do you think this is an article that might achieve Good Article status?
Cheers, Jacklee 16:51, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Zubir Said]]: Translation of Malay book titles 

message: Hi, Mailer diablo recently applied :Image:Singapore coa.png, an image of the Singapore coat of arms, to  and . While I think that the coat of arms is attractive and suitable for these infoboxes, rule 3(1) of the Singapore Arms and Flag and National Anthem Rules (Cap. 296, R1, 2004 Rev. Ed.) states: "[N]o person shall, without the prior written permission of the Minister or any authorised officer — (a) print, publish, manufacture, sell, offer for sale or exhibit for sale; (b) cause to be printed, published, manufactured, sold, offered for sale or exhibited for sale; (c) send, distribute or deliver to, or serve on, any other person; or (d) cause to be sent, distributed or delivered to, or served on, any other person, any writing, material or object in or on which appears the Arms or any token, insignia, emblem or other thing that so nearly resembles the Arms as to be capable of being mistaken for the Arms." Rule 3(2) states: "[N]o person shall, without the prior written permission of the Minister or any authorised officer, use or apply the Arms on any writing, material or object." That was why the coat of arms was replaced with :Image:Singov top 02.gif in , as these regulations do not apply to use of that logo.
I'm not sure whether it is worth writing to the relevant Minister to ask for permission for use of the state crest in Wikipedia articles. The main question is whether Wikipedia articles need to comply with Singapore law, or whether Wikipedia policy is that compliance with US law is sufficient (this seems to be the case for fair use of images, for instance). Can anyone shed light on this matter? If not, is there an administrator we can ask about this?
I've notified Mailer diablo of this matter on his talk page. Cheers, Jacklee 18:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've restored the Parliament House image. - Mailer Diablo 14:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of coat of arms of Singapore in templates 

message: After much difficulty, I've created a new template, , that inserts a citation to the latest reprint of the Singapore Constitution. Do make use of it where appropriate, and if you are knowledgable about templates please feel free to improve the template as well. Cheers, Jacklee 19:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template: {{tl|Singapore Constitution}} 

message: Currently, there is a template for station line succession boxes: Template:S-line. Pages for a large number of train and subway systems all over the world have adapted this system. I was wondering if anyone is interested in adapting this for the Singapore MRT as well. If no one is willing to give it a go, then I'll be glad to convert them some time in the future. I understand that the current pages already use a localised template, but maybe for the sake of conserving bandwidth, a common template can be used with the rest of Wikipedia. 리지강.wa.au (의논하다|기여) 16:49, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of s-line for MRT stations 

message: Silat article, which is under this project, is in the subject of ongoing heavy writing between two views. One insists to separate the two articles while others are trying to combine the two. A consensus is needed whether to merge or to separate these two articles and to avoid any unilateral acts in the future. Your comments are welcomed here: Talk:Silat#Merge_between_Silat_and_Pencak_Silat. — Indon (reply) — 08:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Between [[Silat]] and [[Pencak Silat]] 

message: Would anyone be so kind to try and find me a construction sheet for the flag? Examples of what I am looking for are  or . I do not need the colors, since I have found a source already for them (Pantone 032 for Red, Pantone Safe for White). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does this help? http://flagspot.net/flags/sg.html. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 23:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of Singapore, again 

message: I think we are in a kinda interesting position in that our "notice board" is also working as a "wikiproject". What has been missing, and often sorely needed, is some kind of a "manual of style" or "naming convention" for Singapore-related articles. Any thoughts if this is neccesary, and how we may proceed with this?--Huaiwei 01:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we really need one? WikiProject Iceland has a (proposed) Manual of Style for Iceland-related articles because of unusual letters in their alphabet and the fact that it is conventional to sort people according to their given names rather than their surnames: see "Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Iceland-related articles)". Are there aspects of Singapore-related articles that require special treatment that are not covered by the general Wikipedia:Manual of Style? Could you give some examples? — Cheers, JackLee –talk • contribs • count– 15:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

text: That sounds sensible. Perhaps you'd like to do a first draft of "Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Singapore-related articles)". Any other matters that need to be dealt with? Perhaps we should provide some guidance on how to give names to biographical articles as there may be some confusion over the use of Chinese, Malay and Indian names in Singapore. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 02:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I finally plunged forward and created Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Singapore-related articles). Comments welcome. Jpatokal (talk) 20:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singapore Manual of Style? 

message: The Penal Code (Amendment) Act 2007 has been passed by Parliament. The current title of the article "Sections 377 and 377A of the Penal Code (Singapore)" is therefore out of date, and there is now a more urgent need to decide what should be done about the article. There is currently a discussion at its talk page on whether the article should be expanded in scope to cover all sexual offences in Singapore and renamed as "Sexual offences in Singapore", or merged with "LGBT rights in Singapore". Do add any comments that you have on the issue. If there are no further comments on the matter in a fortnight or so, I may go ahead and be bold (depending on how busy I am). — Cheers, JackLee –talk • contribs • count– 15:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections 377 and 377A of the Penal Code (Singapore): Renaming of article 

message: I've been nominated for RfA. Most of my edits have been in the Chemistry articles, but I have made some edits to those Singapore-related articles. If anyone has opinions about my suitability for adminship, you can participate in the discussion here. --Rifleman 82 10:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like the RFA's going to pass. Have you written any GAs - especially Singapore-related GAs? If so, I'll definitely support you. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 05:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not so involved in pushing articles to GA, and I rarely write about Singapore-related articles. I did write/expand SAFTI Military Institute, Foreign relations of Singapore, Singapore Armed Forces ranks, Military history of Singapore. --Rifleman 82 17:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations, Rifleman 82, you are now an administrator! Now please write a Singapore-related GA (or two, or hopefully even more). Since my O Levels are over, I have plenty of time to write articles, and may need you to help me find newspaper articles on LexisNexis. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 03:18, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your thoughts. However, I must decline making promises with regard to the GAs. Like I have said, Singapore-related articles are not my core contributions. I will continue to edit, but as you can see there are only a few articles I get involved in. If they become GAs with or without my help, great. If there are peer reviews, which point out the problem areas, I'll fix them where I can too. But I'm not really gunning for peer reviews, nor will I push and lobby for them to be promoted as GAs. I'll help you where I can with lexisnexis, but once again my time is limited and I can't dig out all 200 or so fulltexts. Afterall, I do need to earn a living. As you know, all editors here, even admins, are volunteers and they are entitled to pick and choose, how they wish to contribute. Hope you understand my point of view. --Rifleman 82 04:58, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfA for [[User:Rifleman_82]] 

message: Yōsuke Yamahata was born in 1917 and moved to Tokyo in 1925. Had he been born in, say, Nagasaki he'd be within :Category:People from Nagasaki Prefecture. But he was born in Singapore, which I believe was at the time one of the (British) Straits Settlements. He was hardly "Singaporean". While I'm less than fanatical about categorizing people, I'm idly wondering if there's a category for people such as him. -- Hoary 02:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "People from the Straits Settlements"? 

message: Just a heads-up: both Laksa and Pharis Aboobacker (of NKF fame) are being edited by users with, um, rather firm beliefs about the subject.  Please chip in to help clean them up. Jpatokal 01:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Stubbed and referenced. --Rifleman 82 12:55, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laksa and Pharis Aboobacker 

message: Could someone update me on the status of the 4th SGpedians' meetup? I intend to attend it if it is held on a weekday. Perhaps we could go to Lee Kong Chian Reference Library and find references for GAs we intend to write. By the way, the box at the top states that the meetup will take place on 27 Nov, while the "Proposals" section indicates that it will take place on 17 Nov. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The 17th has come and gone, and I guess there wasn't a meet up. If there is to be one on the 27th, I question the choice of the date — it effectively excludes all editors aged 19 and above. So, when is it going to be? --Rifleman 82 (talk) 13:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No meeting took place on the 27th either? Can we agree on a date? More importantly, now that Terence has left, who will organise the meetup? --J.L.W.S. The Special One 14:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see section below. Thanks. Terence (talk) 05:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th SGpedians' meetup 

message: Singapore is one of the core articles for Veropedia, which intends to collect stable, high-quality versions of articles suitable for students and teachers. Would you guys be interested in spending some time working on this article? 
I'm new to this project, and I'm still feeling my way around. But I'll try to identify the areas which need to be worked on. --Rifleman 82 17:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind helping, although the extent to which I do so depends very much on how busy I am. (Final year of my Ph.D. Eeep.) I can probably assist with copyediting. I encourage other SGpedians to lend a hand – this is a wonderful opportunity to get the article back to Good Article status again, following its recent delisting. — Cheers, JackLee –talk–</span> 19:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Jack, that sounds great. While being GA/FA/A class etc is not a prereq for veropedia, getting it cleaned up is still a step in that direction for the article which will remain here. --Rifleman 82 04:59, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prepping [[Singapore]] for [[Veropedia]] 

message: Another editor has suggested that the Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) article might not be featured article quality and stated his objections in the review proposal.  It was removed from the main review page because the nominator put up three other articles at the same time for review.  However, this gives us a chance to be a little proactive with this nom so we can clear up some of the problems before the review request is added again.  If you have time, please view the objection list and work on the items that you can to help keep this article at FA status.  Thanks.  Slambo (Speak) 15:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've looked at the objections and whilst most of them are valid, most of them can also be rectified easily. Perhaps the principal editors would remedy most expeditiously. Chensiyuan 16:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm surprised I wasn't notified. Looks like a list of fixable MoS issues. I'll do up the article tomorrow morning. - Mailer Diablo 17:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am also surprised that some of the issues raised were actually discussed prior and decided upon long ago. For example, on why "Safety" and "Security" ended up as two sections. Maybe we can discuss this in detail over in the article's talkpage.--Huaiwei 01:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) was promoted almost two years ago, and standards have risen, I am not surprised that the article no longer meets the FA criteria. We should address the issues as quickly as possible, so the article will not need to undergo the endless nitpicking and incivility that is FAC (and FAR) again. For starters, I moved the misplaced references behind punctuation marks. Mailer diablo (and others who have contributed significantly to the article) should try to find references for the under-referenced sections, while I will try to rope in a native speaker of English to copy-edit the lead section (and the rest of the article). --J.L.W.S. The Special One 10:42, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, whosoever is good at copyediting should be good enough lol. Chensiyuan 12:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In this context, "native speaker of English" refers to one's command of the language; a "native speaker of English" need not be an ang moh. If you are proficient in English - proficient enough to give ang mohs a run for their money - feel free to help copy-edit the article. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Even the reviwer himself is claiming that. Seriously, can someone look into this one while I work on the Odex one? - Mailer Diablo (talk) 18:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have filed a request with the League of Copyeditors and found a native speaker (Haemo, who copy-edited I Not Stupid) who is willing to help copy-edit the article. Nevertheless, I don't see why you can't work on both articles. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 02:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure he's entitled to choose lol. Chensiyuan (talk) 02:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article review suggested 

message: Our expressway map, such as the one at Expressways of Singapore, has the MCE added in but the ECP truncated in the Marina Bay area. This is jumping the gun, no? We know the ECP will be truncated, but this is going to be quite a few years down the road. Thanks. --unkx80 20:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, perhaps a 'current' map and a 'future planned' map? - SpLoT // 04:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Either two maps (like the MRT one), or make the U/C or planned sections explicit in the map.--Huaiwei 04:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

text:  Agreed. i prefer one current one with the MCE "dotted lined" :) oahiyeeltalk 07:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

text:  Dotted for U/C or planned sections sounds good, but either way is perfectly fine. To the people who drew the maps, thanks for the work! =) --unkx80 (talk) 05:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expressway map 

message: Perhaps the SGpedian community could have its own channel on freenode, allowing us to socially interact and thus strengthening the SGpedian community. We could also use the channel to plan meetups, GA drives and recruitment drives. Furthermore, if one urgently needs to contact an SGpedian (especially an SGpedian admin), they could use the channel to do so.
I propose that we all speak in Singlish during discussions in that channel, so kaypoh ang mohs catch no ball. (Of course, if they join the channel to seek our help, we should use our best English when responding to their queries.) The main drawbacks to this proposal are that not everybody can access IRC and that starting and running a channel requires time, effort and resources.
--J.L.W.S. The Special One 16:04, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually... we already have a channel, and it's been around for over a year now, at #wikipedia-singapore.  Yes all, feel free to chit chat or whatever. Singlish or not, no need to care lah, unless really got ang moh lor. - SpLoT // 08:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for telling me about that channel, SpLoT! I lurk in that channel everyday, but unfortunately, I always seem to be the only one there. Could you, and other SGpedians, lurk in that channel more often? --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 09:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to impose... if people aren't interested that's fine. - SpLoT // 08:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  #sgpedians channel on Freenode? 

message: Hi, Im a user in England who has had an interest in schools but is now helping with "Did you know" nominations. I picked on Henderson Secondary School as a recent article and added some 3rd party references to add to its notability. I would like to nominate it for the front page (I know about this bit) but I could do with some local help. The original author is helpful - but is new to wikipedia. Are there some exoperienced SGpedians who could help? I think we need
*some free use images - anyone local with a camera?
*some more 3rd party refs 
*a bit about how SG schools are different from other countries... we have to remember that some readers may not be in Asia.
Any chance?
PS. See you are rearranging your schools in clusters... are you aware of the debate about notability on the schools project? Victuallers (talk) 16:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Few Singaporeans own digital cameras or support the free software/media movement; we are more concerned with bread-and-butter issues. On a more serious note - could you tell me more about the notability debate? As a Singaporean student, I am considering writing a GA on a Singaporean school, and knowing the notability criteria would be very useful. Although the education system has become a part of Singaporean culture, Wikipedia's coverage of education in Singapore is horrendous. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 15:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't imagine it's the case that "few Singaporeans own digital cameras". You probably haven't had a response because the number of active SGpedians is not large, and perhaps there isn't anyone interested enough in Henderson Secondary School to schlep over to it and photograph it. (Sorry, can't help you myself – I'm not living in Singapore at the moment.) Have you tried contacting the school – perhaps they have a photographic society or some other student organization there which might be able to help? — Cheers, JackLee –talk–</span> 03:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Had a look at HSS's website. There isn't any photographic society, but you might try e-mailing the school at henderson_ss@moe.edu.sg. There are also a number of blogs belonging to student organizations within the school. You could try leaving a messages on one or more of them. — Cheers, JackLee –talk–</span> 03:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I own a digital camera, but don't live near there. Also, photographers might get stopped by school security guards as "trespassing". - SpLoT // 03:55, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Come to think of it, that happened to me before. I was asked by a cousin of mine to take photographs of the Anglo-Chinese Junior School at Barker Road, as he emigrated from Singapore many years ago and wondered what it looked like now. I took a few photographs inside the school grounds, but was subsequently approached by a security guard and told that photography was not permitted. Perhaps there's a fear of terrorist or (*ulp*) paedophile activity. But there may be less of a problem taking photographs of a school from outside the school compound. — Cheers, JackLee –talk–</span> 04:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The anti-fair use brigade will not tolerate such "excuses". If I were you, I would not risk being arrested as a trespasser, paedophile or terrorist. Articles do not need images to qualify for DYK; in fact, articles without images can achieve GA status. By the way, what interesting fact are you going to use as the article's DYK hook? --J.L.W.S. The Special One 13:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for all the advice. The DYK opportunity has timed out now. The hook was going to be the dengue fever work which is a part I had added to make a DYK possible. I know there may be few SGpedians - but you do a very good job of looking after Singapore. I have had other Singapore based articles that habve been excelent. However without pictures the article would be poor. Cheers Victuallers 14:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for help 

message: Well, I am back from the dead and I would like to inform you that there will be a meetup (CONFIRMED) on 29 December 2007, which is a Saturday. I hope this time it would be successful and it won't be cancelled again. Please indicate your interest here. Thanks. Terence (talk) 05:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Singapore 4]] 

message: Deat all SGwikipedians,
Although I am not a member of SGwikipedians, I would like to alert you all of recent vandalism attacks on various MediaCorp TV drama pages. Since September, User:ColourWolf, along with his sockpuppets and Zombie IPs, have been vandalizing various MediaCorp TV Drama pages by inserting blatantly fake contents. The fake contents generally deals with superpowers and cartoon figures. I suspect the vandal is from Uncyclopedia.
So far, the pages affected are Holland V, Honour and Passion, Metamorphosis, and the separate pages of The Unbeatables series. I believe there are other pages that are affected.
I am not Singaporean. I just happened to catch one of these vandalism attacks after watching Honour and Passion on the internet. I hope the members of this WikiProject will kindly check all MediaCorp TV Drama pages, and erase any vandalism where it happened. Thank you. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 02:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for bringing this vandalism to our attention. I have added the articles to my watchlist and will revert any vandalism I spot. Hopefully the SGpedian admins (Rifleman 82 and Mailer diablo) will not only watch the articles, but semi-protect them and block the vandals when necessary. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 15:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pardon me, but despite everything, I was actually somewhat entertained while reading those stories! :D--Huaiwei (talk) 16:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although funny, the vandalism must still be reverted. If you watch the articles, when they are vandalised, you can enjoy the stories and then revert them. --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 09:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

text: ColourWolf is back. His sock: YangLiang, just attacked my userpage, and vows to further vandalize the pages. He apparently has many accounts that appears to be good-faith editors on the surface, but they will turn at some point to become vandals. Be careful! Arbiteroftruth (talk) 18:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MediaCorp TV Drama Page Vandalism Alert 

message: Since September, we have made remarkable progress; our GA tally has skyrocketed from 8 to 18! Of the 10 articles that achieved GA status during this period, 5 were primarily written by Aldwinteo and 4 were primarily written by Jacklee (the remaining one, Majulah Singapura, was primarily written by Zscout370 and has since been brought up to standards by Jacklee). Therefore, could we give a round of applause and barnstars to our prolific GA writers?
Kent Ridge Park and Selarang Barracks Incident (both primarily written by Aldwinteo) are currently GA nominees, while the GA nomination for Jacklee's Flag of Singapore is currently on hold. In addition, I recently nominated Odex's actions against file-sharing (primarily written by Mailer diablo) for GA; the nomination was placed on hold and subsequently failed due to the hold expiring. With 4 articles "nearly there", I am confident that we will reach 20 GAs very soon.
Once the 20-GA target is achieved, our next aim could be to double our GA tally from 20 to 40 in 12 months. If our prolific GA writers keep up the good work, that is not an unrealistic goal. I am currently working on Tampines Rovers FC and Homerun (film), and hope to become our next prolific GA writer. Some SGpedians, such as Chensiyuan, have written GAs; if we could convince them to contribute to Singapore-related articles, we would have more prolific GA writers.
Another cause for optimism is that there are several high-quality Singapore-related articles (such as Singapore, Singapore 2006 and Bonny Hicks) which have GA potential. We should endeavour to identify and improve such articles. Former SGpedian Sengkang has written over 60 DYKs; some of them might have GA potential. Perhaps an SGpedian could look through our 175 B-class articles to identify the needles in the haystack?
However, an analysis of our GAs suggests that Wikipedia's coverage of Singaporean topics is very uneven. Although we have many GAs pertaining to the history (thanks to Aldwinteo) and media (Fann Wong, I Not Stupid and Singapore Dreaming) of Singapore, some areas are poorly covered:
*Considering how well Singaporean students do in international competitions and the controversies surrounding our education system, there really should be a Singapore-related GA under Education: Besides Education in Singapore, articles about educational policies that are unique to Singapore and top Singapoorean schools should be considered. As a Singaporean student myself, I will consider working on an education-related article in future. 
*There are no Singapore-related Sports GAs at the moment, but this is likely to change soon. Hopefully, Tampines Rovers FC will be the first GA on a football club located outside Europe or South America. Another article I intend to start working on next February is Fandi Ahmad. Since I know almost nothing about other sports, I invite other SGpedians to make Joscelin Yeo, Li Jiawei or Ronald Susilo GAs.
*No articles about our Culture, which reflects our ethnic diversity and unique characteristics as a nation, have achieved GA status. What a shame. Readers will probably find GAs on our "national language" (Singlish), unique aspects of Singaporean culture (karung guni) or Singaporean cuisine (chilli crab) fascinating. Unfortunately, I doubt I can make such articles GAs.
--J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 16:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progress report