Talk:Deaths in 2004

message: Now what do all the important recent deaths on Main Page have in common? (Although to be fair, I've heard of Barry White)  jimfbleak 16:51 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:They are all dead?  ;)  MB 18:13 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:Feel free to add people you've heard of, when they die. If everyone does that, things should even out more, eventually... -- Oliver P. 18:39 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:: Just kill people you feel should be on the front page. Why wait? Martin
:::I agree. This would also keep this list as 'recent' as possible. - Sigg3.net 20:46, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main page 

message: Foday Sankoh died on Tuesday, and there's no article about him. If someone would like to develop one, here are some links:
*Sierra Leone rebel leader dies
*Who is Foday Sankoh?
*Foday Sankoh Suffers Stroke
*Tribunal orders psychiatric testing for former Sierra Leone rebel
*Foday Sankoh in a 'critical' condition
*GENERAL NEWS
Here is an article about Sierra Leone's politics. webkid 10:45, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sankoh 

message: Would it not make sense to give the ages of those who died? For example, Diana Mosley and Bishop Donal Lamont died largely because of age (Lamont was in his 90s) whereas Kieran Kelly was 25. I've said in the article that Kelly died as a result of a horseriding accident, but the shock of his death was all the more poignant because at only 25 Kelly was widely seen in the horseracing world as an up and coming jockey generally regarded as having a bright future. That  is fundamentally different to say an older jockey at the end of his career being killed. Whereas most people'e reaction to Kelly's death was shock and regret, Lamont's and Mosley's deaths would have been drawn responses largely of "I didn't know they were still alive" or "they had a good innings". FearÉIREANN
:The age of each decedant should be after his / her age on all Deaths in articles. Qzm (talk) 19:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Give ages?

message: So what if Spot the dog has an article, he's a dog and doesn't belong in this list. Mintguy (T) 12:22, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I put him down as 10/11 Jan (night of his disappearance); why don't we leave him there until the coroner's report is published? (coroner? medical examiner? inquest? I have no idea how these things work in NYC) –Hajor 21:46, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: If the date is not known, an encyclopedia shouldn't just make one up. 10/11 Jan needs something to indicate it's a guess. Perhaps a big "perhaps"? - Nunh-huh 21:49, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animals 

message: Its prudent to have an external link beside a recent death listing, this is because Google doesn't pick up most recent pages from the web. Providing ext. links will be all the more helpful if
* the person doesn't have an article yet
* the person is not well known enough
* the person is popular only in some parts of the world and 
* if the person has died on the day of the posting.
It may or may not make sense to add the link in the external links section of the bio page as most obituary pages are not more than 1 paragraph long. Also ext. links on bio pages are more based on the life and profile of the person rather than a death notice. 
I noticed User:Minesweeper removing all the external links from here. This is in response to that. Jay 03:15, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid I'm with User:Minesweeper on this one. This page looks tidier with nice, terse descriptions ("British television presenter", "Russian dissident and human rights activist" -- minimally wikified, too) and without the external links. External obituaries could be linked to from the deceased's article, at least until such time as the article overtakes the press obit in  extension and detail. Similarly, there's no real excuse for a person listed here not having at least a stubby article: "_Name_ (DoB-DoD) was a _description_. He/She died at the age of xx. Link to external obit." Give me a minute and I'll show you what I mean with Maureen Potter. –Hajor 13:37, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Encourage external links on this page

message: I noticed a lot of 18-20 year old American college sports players listed in June. While I don't mean to diminish the loss their loved ones suffered, I don't believe that they're really notable enough to be listed here. Jxg 18:21, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Young sports players 

message: Should we be including cause of death in the listing (it's becoming more popular, and I always do), or should we leave it for the article?  What do other Wikipedians think?
:No reason not to where known, though I wouldn't make its absence a reason to delete an entry - David Gerard 18:15, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I'd only add it if it was particularly noteworthy to avoid cluttering up the page, but I don't particularly care if other people add it.  Gamaliel 20:28, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

text: I'd include it only if the manner of the passing was in itself newsworthy (hostage murdered; suicide; traffic tragedy). Pages and pages of "heart attacks" and "prostate cancer" would only serve to make a point about our own mortality (albeit a highly valid one) -- bordering on the morbid, don't you think? Save it for the article. –Hajor 15:00, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, in most cases the article itself or one of the Lists of people by cause of death is probably preferable. -- User:Docu
It should be added when it is known, regardless of the cause. Qzm (talk) 19:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of death 

message: I heard a rumor that Ron White passed away from a heart attack.  Can't find anything online.  Any truth to this?
:Nothing turns up in Google News.  Gamaliel 06:47, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: His official website has nothing about his demise Zerbey 14:48, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ron White: Blue Collar Comedy Fame 

message: No it doesn't, so I've removed the reference to the appropriate template. An "event" is something that happens. A single death is an event. A list of recent deaths has no beginning and no end; it doesn't "happen". (You don't see a similar message on Recent changes, or even Current events come to that.) -- Avaragado 22:05, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: This article deals with a current or ongoing event

message: I've added the name of a Dutch police officer to the list of recent deaths. I can understand why many people think he doesn't belong on this list, so I would like to explain why I included him. During the chase of a suspected drug dealer in Enschede (the Netherlands), two police officers were shot. One died of his wounds, the other is in critical condition at this moment. In the Netherlands, violence against police officers is relatively rare. Both in the 1980's and in the 1990's, 2 Dutch police officers were killed on duty. In the 1970's, 6 Dutch police officers were killed on duty. Because fatal violence against police officers is so rare for the Netherlands, I think the deceased police officer deserves to be on the list of Recent deaths. Aecis 10:01, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The only people who should be listed on articles like this are those who have their own Wikipedia articles. Jim Michael (talk) 04:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explaining the listing of a Dutch police officer 

message: There were three copies of the body of Recent deaths on that page a moment ago.  I deleted all but the top one (reasoning that people look at the top one first to make updates).  I did not, however, make a careful comparison between the various revisions as I did not have time.  -- ke4roh 14:04, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
I really don't see why the first 6 months were removed completely. Maybe moved to a seperate page and linked, but not totally removed. The first 6 months has information that is not available anywhere else in WIkipedia and should be kept if for nothing else for search purposes. Williamb 06:32, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't look like it was a deliberate deletion. Some browsers truncate files which are longer than 32KB, which is why Wikipedia issues a warning at the top of the edit box of long articles, and that is what seems to have happened in 4.61.180.179's edit today. -- Arwel 11:02, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  In triplicate 

message: Do we realy need the oldest Panda (13 August)? It could be offensive. --Nk 15:43, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. I find Pandas highly offensive. Like Penguins! - Sigg3.net 08:37, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: I'm curious; how do you (or could you) find its listing offensive? Do you take similar umbrage from the listing of George the tortoise (10 May)? Some animals are celebrities, and I don't think marking their deaths along with human deaths demeans the latter in the slightest. Pets are valued companions to most people who keep them, are they not? -- Hadal 09:06, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You're asking NK, right? - Sigg3.net 12:20, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: Well, George was a celebrity tortoise, but not as notable as Timothy (4th April), who was the last survivor of the Crimean War! -- Arwel 12:50, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Panda 

message: Yesterday it was 6th December.  Now it's 7th December, but the date shown on his own page is 8th December.  What is the true date of death?  203.37.77.9 22:39, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jay van Andel's death date 

message: Is that worth mentioning?  Somewhere? -- AllyUnion (talk) 07:56, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  JPL-NASA vanpool tragedy 

message: I was amazed to hear(on Geoff Bennett's afternoon program on ABC Classic FM, yesterday Saturday 18th December), about the recent death of Elena Souliotis.  
This was news to Wikipedia, so I assumed it had only just happened (yesterday perhaps). Imagine my surprise when I learned she died two weeks ago, on 4th December, in Florence.  The earliest obituary I found was not published till nine days after her death (The Scotsman, 13/12).  
But that still leaves about five days, in which time thousands of opera-loving Wikipedians (and thus millions and perhaps billions of other people world-wide) were denied information about this wonderful singer.
Between them, historians, obituary collectors, and just plain ghouls like me, regularly trawl through all imaginable on-line sources of information.  That information is often immediately re-published on other websites, such as Wikipedia.  Wikipedia and similar sites are, by definition, always behind the times because they are at the mercy, so to speak, of their contributors.  But apart from that, word spreads very quickly through the OFC (Obituary-focussed Community).  So, how come everybody in Wikipedia, including me, totally missed this very sad departure?  Or, if they were aware of it at some time between 13th and 18th December, why did nobody think this was worth putting on Wikipedia?  
I am truly, deeply mystifed and profoundly troubled.  I get like that sometimes.  Cheers JackofOz 00:17, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elena Souliotis remembered ? 

message: The article has him listed as dead as of June 28, yet the referring article states that the U.S. Army lists his death as totally inconclusive and lists him still as a POW.  I listed a note referring that his death was in dispute, but it was removed.  What is the procedure in this case?--Mitsukai 05:51, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Keith Matthew "Matt" Maupin

message: Why is this a seperate page to the 2004 page, when earlier years have deaths in a section of the main year page? Not that I have a particular problem with it, except that it doesnt appear to be consistent. 80.177.152.156
:There are currently Deaths in articles for 1999-2009 only. Due to the huge increase in the number of famous / notable people, more recent years require separate articles for deaths, so as to include all notable deaths, whilst avoiding Year articles being too long with the list of deaths. There are criteria at WP:RY for recent years, that do not apply to earlier years. Said criteria restrict deaths to be listed  2009, 2008, 2007 etc to those people who are of substantial international notability. All notable deaths are eligible for inclusion on Deaths in articles. Qzm (talk) 19:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate Deaths articles only for recent years