Talk:List of religions and spiritual traditions

message: There is probably a good reason why they aren't included, but what is it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.107.64.61 (talk) 03:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: What about UFO Religions?

message: There appears to be a lack of a neutral system that forms the basis of how elements are named and listed here. Date, founder, origins should be applied consistently as to be neutral to all entities on the list. It need to be done from a rather neutral point of view and with a consistency. Wikidās ॐ 07:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of religious groups and naming 

message: I just noticed that there is some repetition on the list. You might wanna take a took at it. Thanks. Malomaboy06 (talk) 22:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Quick Problem...

message: I said it on the Talk:List_of_fictional_religions and I'll say it again: where is Pastafarianism?:
:I don't think Pastafarianism classes as a fictional religion. While it has a certain notability on this List of fictional religions page, on the official website it is neither explicitly stated nor implied that the religion is a parody, joke or fictional religion. Naming it as 'fictional' due to the subjective absurdity of a Flying Spaghetti Monster cannot satisfy the neuturality of wikipedia. As with one of the foremost comments, all religion is 'ficitional' by even the most lax of criteria. Thus, Pastafarian should be considered for removal, perhaps to a page on 'Minor religions'?
:Oliverbeatson (talk) 01:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's an alias for The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which is in the list now. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 14:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pastafarianism

message: Should the "Historical polytheism" section be merged into "Indigenous traditional religions"? I vote yes.--Editor2020 (talk) 21:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section merge 

message: A post in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_religions/Archive_4#Discordianism claims that Discordianism is not a mock religion, and that its believers take it seriously. Greg Hill and Kerry Thornley clearly intended it as a parody. Robert Anton Wilson (a.k.a Mordicai the Foul) asked, Is Discordianism a religion disguised as a joke, or a joke disguised as a religion? Whichever way you interpret it, it's still a joke and any true believers are the punchline. Discordianism needs to be moved to Parody Religions. --Elmyr (talk) 14:38, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Salvador Dali once said that to produce modern art you had to make sure the viewer couldn't tell whether you were producing serious art or just having a joke at their expense. And that you yourself couldn't tell, either. Peter jackson (talk) 11:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Discordism is real, and there is a Discordian Humanism that is different from Discordianism. It is a more modernized version for modern times, and updated, and believes in equal rights for all. Check out Reddit at /r/discordianhumanism and /r/discordianism for more information and to find articles to cite for your research. Enemies of Eris Discordia and Discordians mock us by saying our religion is a joke, etc. It is a form of oppression from the other religions. Eris Blastar (talk) 02:10, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discordianism 

message: Are Confucianism and Legalism religions?118.168.26.57 (talk) 04:57, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confucianism - Legalism 

message: There has been some to-and-fro about where non-RC Western brands of Catholicism belong. I think what we actually might want to do is let List of Christian denominations do its job, and have what's here be just the top level or two of that.  Tb (talk) 18:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your latest revision appears to be an acceptable compromise. I would like to comment however on what to do with Anglicanism. In some respects I agree with it remaining in the Catholic section as it's spiritual tradition is Catholic. But it's spiritual tradition is also Protestant. I've known Anglicans that put themselves in one or the other or sometimes both camps. Since you're Anglican, perhaps you know which group it fits better in, but my opinion on a somewhat unbiased level is that it belongs in it's own category. My personal POV is that they are Protestant, but that's coming from a Roman Catholic. Stylteralmaldo (talk) 19:01, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not really true to say that its spiritual tradition is Protestant; in fact it simply lands in both camps.  The position in List of Christian denominations has been to use a "filter" rule, where each group is listed under the first heading that it matches (since there are many groups with multiple sensible categorizations) and to take "Catholicism" specifically as involving a claim of continuity with the pre-schism Church based on apostolic succession of bishops--which is essentially the only definition which makes the term refer to more than only the RCC, or every church.  The RC notion that it must be Protestant is based upon the fact that it used to be much more strongly identified as such, and a general RC idea that whatever is not RC must be Protestant.  Once we all become aware of the Old Catholics, for example, not to mention the Orthodox, the "not-RC equals Protestant" thinking tends to fall. Tb (talk) 20:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

text:  In any case, it has been discussed at various times at List of Christian denominations, with varying changes in consensus over time.  My view here is that this page should simply mirror that one. Tb (talk) 20:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christianity section 

message: Is there any hope that the various "Spiritual Traditions" can be separated from "Religions" on the basis of religions being curriculum based, i.e based on agreed written rules and principles), while spiritual traditions (voudou, rastafarianism, and obeah, for example) are folk-based with no written or recorded methodology? They're not really related. Santamoly (talk) 21:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is tendentious.  There is a continuum between; it seems odd in the extreme to say they are not related. Tb (talk) 17:54, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not in the least tendentious. The one is an organized, repeatable curriculum of instruction with written academic texts and workbooks with the aim of propagating a uniform result. The other is a folk-based belief, inconsistent and variable from one village to the next. That is a big difference.  If you think otherwise, can you give us some insight into your reasoning? Perhaps you are thinking that Religion and Faith are the same (they're not), or that Tradition and Faith are the same (they, also, are not)? Santamoly (talk) 05:56, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm saying that any definition under which Greco-Roman religion is not religion is incorrect.  Christianity did not become a religion sometime in the sixteenth century ("academic texts and workbooks"?  When do you think workbooks were invented?).  Hinduism is unquestionably a religion--or a cluster of religious traditions--as is Shinto, and yet, they are not "curriculum based" in any plausible sense. Tb (talk) 17:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You're bouncing all over the place.  What, pray, is a "Greco-Roman religion"?  And what do you think Christianity was before printed Bibles existed? How can you say that "Hinduism is a religion" in one breath, and then a "cluster of traditions" in the next?  Doesn't that support my suggestion? Santamoly (talk) 05:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your suggest cannot even make sense of the concept of "folk religion".  The Romans--who invented the word "religion", by the way--had a pagan religion, which did not involve any of your invented requirements for a religion.  Can we find a source which makes the distinction you are arguing for, please? Tb (talk) 17:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Tb is correct. "Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and moral values." That is the definition of religion from our very own religion page. Nowhere does it say that a religion needs to be curriculum based. Basically what you are saying is that only the Abrahamic religions are proper religions. This is biased and not acceptable on Wikipedia. Canada10wi (talk) 19:56, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spiritual Traditions 

message: According to the wikipedia article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology#Dispute_of_religion_status it is recognized as a religion by the United States government. I realize that there is dispute about whether it is a religion, but if some consider it a religion, perhaps it could be added with a notation that it is disputed. Nightkey (talk) 17:59, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientology 

message: There are many more than can be added to start off you can add The Church Of Emacs, a "church" named after the Emacs text editor
And the Cult Of Vi named after the Vi text editor see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war#Humour
note: I am sorry if I have done something wrong. Other than this I have only once ever edited a Wikipedia page
: I'm thinking the whole section could be cut as neither a religion nor a spiritual practice if these seem just some form of humor (Church of Trek) or comment of strongly held view conflicts on the level of 'religious wars' (DOS vs Unix wars).  Do need to be careful as there are nontheistic religions and nontheistic spiritual beliefs, to where have Atheists or Jedism that seems not a religion but is officially recognized in some countries as such and able to conduct marriages and other functions associated to more common religions. And have some obviously mainstream religions that have do not form by a building -- traveling ministry, cafe church or internet church or pub church) but are definately holding a particular spitirual belief or spiritual seekers versus non-spiritual critic or vandal or humorist.. Markbassett (talk) 00:04, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Parody or mock religions

message: Where it be at, broski?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.156.121.1 (talk) 01:22, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Greek and Roman religions still exist to this day, but are mocked and insulted by other religions in refusing to acknowledge that they are real, and that they deserve mention. When we try to get articles about them on Religion lists, it gets deleted by intolerant people who claim they are 'joke religions' and 'not real' and 'everyone who followed them is now dead'. But I challenge you to look at all of the statues in federal court buildings. They are from the greek and roman myths that our laws and type of government 'republic' are based upon. Lady Justice is one example, Liberty (goddess) for another. Eris for example represents 'change', 'evolution', and 'progress' because without discord and chaos you would just have the same thing over and over again. Eris Blastar (talk) 02:19, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek/Roman Mythology? 

message: Christian Science should be removed from under New Thought, it is a forerunner to the movement, but is its self not part of it. Or maybe the headline could read, "Christian Science and New Thought" ? Anthony maybury (talk) 13:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian Science is not New Thought 

message: It has a significant population  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.38.105.161 (talk) 23:57, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Scientology not listed here.....??? 

message: Ājīvika, which was just added, is 
# primarily a philosophical tradition, in which case, I wonder if it should be listed here at all, or alternatively 
# according to the article on the subject, most closely related to the Hindu tradition, in which case it should be categorized there? Clean Copytalk 19:17, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ājīvika 

message: Could we create a new section about the fictional religions ? They are numerous in fantasy and SF.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB08:173:6400:7014:445A:3F21:E15C (talk) 10:31, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The religions listed would need to be notable, such as the ones at :Category:Fictional religions.  However, I worry that if we add such as section, it's going to get stuffed with unsourced and non-notable WP:FANCRUFT. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:59, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Since List of fictional religions exists, there is no need to expand this list. I have added the fictional relion list to the See also section. BiologicalMe (talk) 16:28, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  A section about fictional religions ? 

message: I am not sure if the Bön religion should be listed as Buddhist, it does in fact have some connections with modern day Tibetan Buddhism however the Bön religion was in   Tibet first, and is very different to Buddhism. AZoroastrianMan (talk) 00:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bön Religion 

message: On the List of "cargo cult" religions, the Johnson cult is listed. However, when visiting its Wikipedia page the first sentence is "The Johnson cult, formerly misidentified as a cargo cult"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_cult. It also does not fit the description of a cargo cult, or of a religion necessarily. Someone with a broader understanding of this article should revise this. 
22:09, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johnson cult is mis-classified by its own Wikipedia entry. 

message: Shouldn't the reconstructed polytheistic religions be under the religions on whose basis the polytheistic religions were reconstructed? Danishjaveed (talk) 11:42, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polytheistic Reconstructionism 

message: Should we combine East Asian religions and Indic religions under the Umbrella term Eastern religions, similarly to how Iranian and Abrahamic religions are under Middle Eastern religions? Doremon764 (talk) 05:25, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eastern Religions 

message: A new section on European religions has been added, most of these religion are from the ethnic religious, new religious movement, or Historical religions. Just wondering. Doremon764 (talk) 22:06, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  European Religions? 

message: walsisisum is the least known religon that is only celebrated by 7 people tops. 
a very small organization only as of today put on the internet where there leader puts out videos to its few followers and nobody knows there in on it like a cult almost.
the belief is that the world was created by a powerful god who used the last of his power to create everything us the earth and the universe.
and then slowly gets turned into the form of what we now know of as the walrus.
he also wanted the people to be friends with the walrus not to kill and hunt them like they did. 
they where supposed to watch the humans and keep them in order. 
this is a dying religion if you are looking for one please consider this one also if you would please make it known to the world I did the best I could.
how would I know so mutch about this cause I am the leader  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.247.150.59 (talk) 00:41, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  the very small religon of walsisisum  

message: On the New Religious movement section that contains Gaianism, Mayanism, Michael Teachings should it be under Occultism or New Age movements Doremon764 (talk) 05:52, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Age movement or Occult 

message: Now, i don't want to be like some of the other people on here advocating for the silly religions that exist and trying to get their classification changed by playing dumb, but I really think it might be worth it to consider my request. But like, I understand if it doesn't, man. So right now, Dudeism is classified as a Mock religion or a religion based on fiction. Allow me to address why i think both of these may be untrue.
 
First if all, it is obviously not a mock religion because it is not mocking anything. It's not like pastafarianism that obviously mocks Christianity. It's based off of Taoism, but with a modern view of it and without the metaphysical shit and what have you. It's not trying to mock Taoism, as the religion itself is promoting it.
Secondly, I definitely see how it is considered to be based upon fiction, but I would like to talk about how I believe it is untrue. Obviously, it was inspired by the fictional movie "The Big Lebowski," but I think it's less based on that, and instead uses it as a vessel to explain a very, very ancient form of thinking in a modern way. The religion itself says this on the website and such. Basically, the religion is not about the Big Lebowski, that way I see it, it's about Stoicism, Daoism and really just going with the flow and being in the moment, and it uses the carefree character from that movie as a model to how one should go about their life.
So, that's my opinion. I can add sources to some of my claims if anyone wants. I think maybe whoever is able to edit this might want to look into it more for themselves, and hopefully consider moving it to the Other section or the neo-thought section or something. Thanks for reading and take it easy. Abider445 (talk) 23:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dudeism Classification 

message: Should we use the last web archive available instead?
ScratchyGamer314 (talk) 13:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The website used as the first source in this Wikipedia article has now been repurposed as a loan broker website. 

message: There is a discussion on Template talk:Religion topics#Reverting each other, Indo-European, etc, about the naming of Indo-European category, the separation of North Africa and Sub Saharan Africa, and should religions of Asia be cluster together under an Asia banner. I mention this Edit War here since it may affect this page at some point with similar concepts just discussed on that chart.Doremon764 (talk) 05:37, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion on "Reverting each other, Indo-European, etc" 

message: Asking for the removal/move of New Age and putting it in New Religious Movement instead of Middle Eastern category. Doremon764 (talk) 16:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:12, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Age is not Middle Eastern 

message: It should be rewritten with sources or deleted. Many contents seem to be inventions. For instance, Platonism is currently listed under "Fiona Temple" (which probably does not exist), itself listed under New Age. The Benedictines are themselves listed under New Age. Is this article serious or a joke?--37.162.128.86 (talk) 13:58, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is a disaster 

message: No 2601:702:4300:A960:0:0:0:1849 (talk) 23:45, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don’t understand what I am 

message: M 105.245.103.245 (talk) 13:42, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religions 

message: Someone added a lot of things to the New Age section with the note: "Note: All New Age groups are listed in random order.  Please organize this."
I may get back around to dealing with this but if I don't, this is a notice for anyone who would like to. Gilded Snail (talk) 15:34, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Did it in alphabetical order. That okay? --Roundish  ⋆tc) 16:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New age listing 

message: As a member of the Earthseed family and vocal advocate for such, I added that and Terasem as a subset of it under Post-theistic and Naturalistic Theologies. There's already articles on Wikipedia for both Earthseed and the Terasem Movement, and I even included a reference to Earthseed's central website as evidence that it is not entirely fictional. I am an Earthseed shaper and there's enough of us to demand inclusion on this very long list of religions and spiritual traditions. Exaltist Ethan (talk) 01:29, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earthseed 

message: The last sentence of the first paragraph currently states:
"According to some estimates, there are roughly 4,200 religions [etc.] which at some point in the future will be countless."
I wonder whether the last portion of this sentence should be deleted per WP:CRYSTALBALL. I find it entirely plausible that a future trend of major religions absorbing numerous smaller ones could emerge, but who knows, I don't have a crystal ball. Ypna (talk) 21:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Countless implies infinite to me. There may well be a lot more religions in the future but they will likely still be countable. Relinus (talk) 23:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, given that I'm not alone in this thinking, I've removed the latter part of the sentence from the article. Ypna (talk) 00:09, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:CRYSTALBALL 

message: There are listing of historical religions under (historical) listed twice some under a different category. Should they be listed under both or should all historical religions be under historical religion section. Doremon764 (talk) 08:41, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Imo all historical religions should be exclusively listed in historical religions. It was a while ago, but I was reading through the talk pages and there seems to be an established precedent that religions should only be listed once even if you could argue they'd fit under multiple categories. GastonN'estPasBon (talk) 16:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical Religions 

message: I've been thinking about this for a while now so I'll put the question out there for discussion. Currently all East Asian/Southeast Asian religions are put under the world religion category which defines world religion as trans cultural and international. Most East Asian religions can not be argued to be transcultural or international. While Shintoism, Confucianism, Taoism and the like could be considered transcultural and international most of the other religions listed clearly are not (at least not to any significant degree). Vietnamese and Chinese folk religion is almost exclusively practiced by Vietnamese and Chinese people respectively.
One solution would be to partition the East Asian religions. Put the transcultural and international ones in world religions and put the rest as ethnic religions. This feels like the obvious solution, but there are issues with it. These East Asian religions still maintain a distinctly ethnic character, even Confucianism and Taoism, and could be described as a gray area between world religions and ethnic religions. There is also something to be said about how integral the local ethnic faiths are to Confucianism and Taoism. Putting these faiths on different sides of the article ignores the syncretic nature of all these East Asian faiths, they quite clearly constitute a single family of faiths that have influenced each other for over 2000 years.
Yet putting them in one category or the other is also problematic. Putting them all as ethnic religions dismisses the global character of, especially, Taoism and Confucianism. Yet putting them as world religions feels equally problematic as some of the East Asian faiths are literally called [Insert ethnic group] folk religion.
Ultimately I think seperating them is the best idea and one I'd be fine to do myself if the rest of you agree, but I want to make sure there's input before I do anything like this. GastonN'estPasBon (talk) 16:24, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  East Asian Religions