Talk:Gardiners Island

message: The Pirate Hunter
The Pirate Hunter
Hampton Star
--MichaelGray 13:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, see WP:CITE if you need to know how to cite it in the article itself. If not I'll check out the references and add the citation myself eventually. --W.marsh 13:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Captain Kidd Treasure Reference

message: Gardiners_Island Gardiners_Bay Gardner_Island Nikumaroro
Hopiakuta 00:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Gardiners_Island]] [[Gardiners_Bay]] [[Gardner_Island]] [[Nikumaroro]] 

message: I had thought to make a contribution to this page
(based upon personal expreiences, several conversations with the late subject himself,
visits to the island, second-hand information from a trusted friend of his, and other sources).  However, when I examined the page, and saw so many misleading and falsified statements touted as "fact", I realized that this is yet another Wikipedia page that has been taken over by people who have an axe to grind and the time to stifle dissent.
Nevertheless, I would be happy to correct the erroneous account, based on verifiable facts and honest recollections, and I'd be happy to submit my proposed replacement for review (if I knew how to do that), but I won't waste my time removing blatantly false assertions and inserting corrections, only to have my mods may be deemed as vandalism" by those who lurk far more frequently on these pages.
(That has happened to me once or twice before.  
My faith has been badly shaken re the objectivity of Wikipedia, which unfortunately seems to succumb to majoritarianism and prone to the tyranny of the "squeaky wheel".
Below is the truth, if anyone is interested.
(Feel free to contact me at "bam@tripodics.com" for further details.)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tripodics (talk • contribs) Revision as of 05:09, 2007 January 15 (UTC)
===Bob Gardiner Congress Run===
Bob Gardiner ran for Congress in 1976.
His primary motive for doing so was his genuine outrage 
at the bill introduced by Otis Pike [1st CD NY] seeking 
to condemn the island and make it into a "National Monument".
Three decades later, I can still vividly recall him excalaiming to a group of supporters (mostly party leaders from the Republican, Conservative, Libertarian Party), as we rode 
on a truck across his island, "Here is where Otis Pike wants to install two dozen toilets on 
my island!"  There is no way that Bob's pain and anguish was faked.  He was passionate about preserving his "manor" for posterity, and resisting the trampling and trashing of the island by the Feds and the mobs that would flock to that tiny, pristine preserve.
To say that he "refused to pay half" is completely inaccurate, but perhaps forgiveable.
(Some agreement had been reached to involve younger relatives in the planning for the island (over which he had had sole control), and to split the annual costs.  (Yes, his investments were imperiled, relatives were ripping him off, and some of the yound buzzards were circling for the kill.)
However, for Wikipedia to state that Bob Gardiner was "hoping that the government would acquire the land and make it a historic site." is utter bullshit.  [I'm very sorry for introducing profanity into this discussion, but a lesser word would be insuffient.  There is no other way to characterize "hoping that the government would acquire the land".  It is just blantantly false.  And it is downright libelous!]
When Pike began getting bitten by the hornet's nest he had stirred up, he elaborately repositioned himself, backed down on the condemnation proposal, and won re-election.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tripodics (talk • contribs) Revision as of 05:09, 2007 January 15 (UTC)
===Additional Comments===
The above is NOT text submitted for the article.
I'd be glad to write some (and to keep it objective),
but I'm afraid it would be a waste of time, and that
my corrections would be trashed by those who seem to
have taken over Wikipedia (and who have the time to 
lurk constantly and censor legitimate additions).
bam
===  EXISTING (INCORRECT) TEXT ===
The island was the subject of a family dispute regarding the ownership and inheritance of the land when Robert David Lion Gardiner quarreled with his sister and her daughter, Alexandra Gardiner Goelet, believing they secretly wanted to sell the island for development after his death. After Goelet and her husband began paying the large upkeep and tax costs of the island (estimated at $2 million per year), Mr. Gardiner refused to pay half, hoping that the government would acquire the land and make it a historic site.  His relatives took him to court, in 1980 he was barred from visiting the island.  On appeal, this was reversed in 1992, and Mr. Gardiner regularly visited the island, though he did not speak to the Goelets.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tripodics (talk • contribs) Revision as of 05:09, 2007 January 15 (UTC)
:Above was unsigned by User:Tripodics on January 15, 2007.  I made corrections to the headings since they messed up the flow of the page.  I did not edit the user's comments. Americasroof 15:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Eh, as far as I know I'm the only established editor watching this article, I won't revert your changes if they're accurate, and better yet sourced to something published (see WP:CN). But just making wild accusations right off the bat is not a good way to introduce yourself, if you're that confrontational of course you're going to rub some people the wrong way around here. Anyway, make the changes you want to the article. Trust me, I'm a "mod" here and if you make good changes I'll make sure they stick. --W.marsh 15:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

text: *Anyway, the sentence was mildly incorrect apparently (though I do recall reading it somewhere) I've changed it to be in line with the source cited directly after the sentence. I don't know the Gardiners, I've never been to Gardiners Island... anything I've added has been either from a source or an innocent mistake in research on my part. --W.marsh 15:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: The island was the subject of a family dispute regarding the ownership and inheritance of the land when Robert David Lion Gardiner quarreled with his sister and her daughter, Alexandra Gardiner Goelet, believing they secretly wanted to sell the island for development after his death. After Goelet and her husband began paying the large upkeep and tax costs of the island (estimated at $2 million per year), Mr. Gardiner refused to pay half, hoping that the government would acquire the land and make it a historic site.  His relatives took him to court, in 1980 he was barred from visiting the island.  On appeal, this was reversed in 1992, and Mr. Gardiner regularly visited the island, though he did not speak to the Goelets.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tripodics (talk • contribs) Revision as of 05:09, 2007 January 15 (UTC)
:Above was unsigned by User:Tripodics on January 15, 2007.  I made corrections to the headings since they messed up the flow of the page.  I did not edit the user's comments. Americasroof 15:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Eh, as far as I know I'm the only established editor watching this article, I won't revert your changes if they're accurate, and better yet sourced to something published (see WP:CN). But just making wild accusations right off the bat is not a good way to introduce yourself, if you're that confrontational of course you're going to rub some people the wrong way around here. Anyway, make the changes you want to the article. Trust me, I'm a "mod" here and if you make good changes I'll make sure they stick. --W.marsh 15:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

text: *Anyway, the sentence was mildly incorrect apparently (though I do recall reading it somewhere) I've changed it to be in line with the source cited directly after the sentence. I don't know the Gardiners, I've never been to Gardiners Island... anything I've added has been either from a source or an innocent mistake in research on my part. --W.marsh 15:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   EXISTING (INCORRECT) TEXT 

message: Could someone please add a bit about the history of "The Ruins", the old fort that used to be on the north tip, eventually used as target practice in wwii, and then dredged / separated from the rest of the island?
Thanks - G.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.193.9.66 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 2007 January 22 (UTC)
:The above comment was posted annonymously by User talk:12.193.9.66 on January 23, 2007.  It was incorrectly placed under another discussion so I am moving it down here and giving a head.  I made no other changes.  This requested article/information should probably be included an article on Gardiners Point which would refer to the federally owned lighthouse and Fort Taylor.  Americasroof 13:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The "Ruins"

message: Niihau is 69.5 sq mi, according to Wikipedia.  So probably "The island is the largest privately owned island in the United States," is not true?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 05:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the New York Times (in an article written while this one was still a stub) that claim is widely made but indeed inaccurate. I have updated to hopefully fix this. --W.marsh 05:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  hmmm 

message: I believe the last Gardiner had a son out of wedlock by a servant in Polynesia during the 1940s.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.171.75 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 2011 March 19 (UTC)
* If it is not documented in RS it is irrelevant...  Geo Swan (talk) 23:35, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Robert Lion Gardiner son

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