Talk:Arrow Cross Party

message: Why is it called "Fascist"? The Nyilas were National-Socialists. "Fascist became a broad accusatory term with strong implications of right-wing politics. Hannah Arendt clearly states that Fascism is fundamentally different from Nazism, mainly viz. racial supremacy theories. At least in that regard the Arrow-Cross are far closer to Nazism than Fascism. This is another left-wing wikipropanganda (wikistortion of reality). As an aside, the vast majprity of the Nyilas party later became the high command of Hungarian communism.
In 1930, Hitler said: "Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxist Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not."[Carsten, Francis Ludwig The Rise of Fascism, 2nd ed. University of California Press, 1982. p. 137] 
And just in case you think Carsten must in on some grand conspiracy to redefine fascism as right-wing by here misquoting Hitler, here's the words of Mussolini himself, the man to whom many ascribe the development of early notions of fascism into the political movement we're more familiar with: In fact it was his expertise on the subject that compelled the editors of a 1932 edition of an Italian encyclopedia set to ask him for the definition of a new entry on Fascism. "Fascism [is] the complete opposite of ... Marxian Socialism." 
So there you have both Hitler and Mussolini contradicting the absurd notion of left-wing fascism. --Mycos 11:02, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Your suggestion is that the use of the term fascist is implying the Arrow Cross were right-wing? I'm not sure how you'd call that a distortion of reality. I'd like to see your source that the majority of the party became the high command of Hungarian communism. - TheMightyQuill 16:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The communist parties and especially the propaganda of the Eastern Bloc avoided the use of the term "national socialism" and used "fascist" even in the case of the Third Reich (which was expressly national socialist). Maybe the socialist governments felt unconvenient to use the term "national socialism" when referring to their enemy (interestingly, the name of the National Socialist German Workers Party borders on the Hungarian Socialist Workers' Party, which is even more obtrusive if we compare the peacetime practises of the two parties). The Arrow Cross Party and its ideology called Hungarism is much more related to national socialism than fascism - if related to the latter at all. Timur lenk (talk) 11:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fascism mischarachterization

message: Ideology 
Far-right,
Ultranationalism,
Fascism,
National socialism,
Hungarism,
Hungarian Turanism,
Agrarianism,
Roman Catholicism 
How their ideology could be a "fascism" and "national socialism" at the same time while both ideologies are very different? It doesn't make any sense... "Roman Catholicism" - I didn't know that RC is a ideology.
--Krzyzowiec (talk) 04:01, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideology 

message: In the Ideology section, the pic covers some of the words that are supposed to be above the pic. I have no idea how to fix it.--Anewpester (talk) 22:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with pic 

message: I propose to make a few revisions to increase the accuracy of statements about the number of Jews murdered during the Arrow Cross period.Hirschjoshua (talk) 05:21, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed revisions re. Jewish deaths 

message: I wonder this subject,ıs this right?Was Arrow Cross Party both Turanist and National Socialist?Please examine and search this,I wonder this so much.
MuratOZCAN94 (talk) 15:33, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Turanism doesn't mention this party and Turanism was anti-German.Xx236 (talk) 13:34, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

text: They did not speak about mongoloid race, they spoke about Turanian race.(KIENGIR (talk) 00:51, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:   Was Arrow Cross Turanist? 

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message: I see that in the first sentence of the article, the party used to be described as "far-right," then someone changed it to "fascist," then someone changed it back to "far-right." I would argue that "fascist" is more useful than "far-right" because it's more specific -- fascism being one form of far-right ideology. If someone reads just the intro to the article, and they read "far-right," they haven't learned as much about the party than if it said "fascist." Keingir, what is your reason for changing it from "fascist" to "far-right"? Hirschjoshua (talk) 04:09, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I think we entirely discussed this already above. This article suffered from many inaccuracies regarding terminology, etc. Far-right is the proper designation as it is describing a political position that may be from far left to far right etc., while fascism is an ideology anyway just a partial sub-part of the Hungarist ideology. We should not mix saison with faison, or fell on the trap of old mistakes, as the reader clearly reads far-right Hungarist party that is purely what it was.(KIENGIR (talk) 14:20, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Far-right vs fascist 

message: Kiengir, why did you delete this category?Hirschjoshua (talk) 20:07, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted an IP edit, as others did in an other article for similar reasons.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:32, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category: Fascist Parties 

message: Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "Original research sourced to Ferenc Szálasi, head of the party". --K.e.coffman (talk) 22:06, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Excuse me, this section have been formed with a consensus and not by original research, a sourced content and important part of the understanding of the party's ideology, removal is not supported.(KIENGIR (talk) 00:49, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I would appreciate seeing the discussion where this consensus has been achieved. --K.e.coffman (talk) 05:23, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Right in this talk page, after a long discussion and co-operation to have the most accurate outcome.(KIENGIR (talk) 19:03, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the thread in question Talk:Arrow_Cross_Party#Ideology_(yet_again)? --K.e.coffman (talk) 21:25, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, including as well infobox related issues.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the contested text sourced to a speech by Ferenc Szálasi reproduced in the book, or to the 3rd party analysis? --K.e.coffman (talk) 23:06, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The text is not sourced to a speech by Ferenc Szálasi reproduced in the book, the text is sourced to the book which contains the analysis of written texts, ideologies, history of the party and the leader.(KIENGIR (talk) 10:56, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  March 2020 edis