Talk:Korean shamanism

message: It seems like it might be kind of hard to say how many people hold shamanism as their religion, since, when asked, most people who practice it self-identify as Buddhist.  In fact, of course, the two co-exist--shamanic gods (some of whom are Buddhist or Taoist) for day-to-day, Buddhas for more ultimate concerns like salvation after death.
Maybe people with a Western view of religion (as in, you're either Christian or Jewish or Muslim or atheist or neopagan, but not any two at once) aren't the best people to collect data on Asian religion.  Look at the hash that idea has made of the statistics on Shinto.  Under normal circumstances, nobody but the most devout self-identify as any one thing, except for Christians. 71.223.169.27 01:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good point.  However, I would note that the Choson Dynasty did try to impose one religion (Confucianism) on Korea to the exclusion of both Shamanism and Buddhism.  We can really only report what reliable sources say about this topic.  I believem, based on the note at the bottom of the article, that most of the current text comes from a public source document from the Libary of Congress Country Studies series. I'm in the process of trying to rewrite this on the basis of a monograph written by a professor at Kyung Hee University.  JChap2007 02:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shamans consider themselves Buddhists 

message: I've added a refimprove tag to this page because the entire page is sourced by one book: Korean Shamanism—Muism. Other references would be more than helpful. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 04:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refimprove tag 

message: WHAT does that have to do with Korean culture? The Korean word for shamans is 무당 (Mudang). I don't think those two words are related to each other. If anyone has to say anything about the removal, say it.
--119.149.173.53 (talk) 09:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The part about the word 'shaman'

message: The image shows what a typical Korean shamanistic ritual would look like, including the bit with cross-gender aesthetics, but shouldn't it show a female shaman as opposed to a more rarely seen male shamans? The fact that mudangs are predominantly female seems a distinctive enough characteristic that I think the article image should reflect it... Though this isn't to say that baksu mudangs are in any way inferior or unqualified. Just not as prototypical. --70.94.212.86 (talk) 07:52, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article image 

message: A Male Mudang is a Pansu, not a Mudang. It's like saying a Male Waitress--uhh... that's a waiter. Fixing it. I hope someone does sweeps in the actual article as well as the caption.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 15:51, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The male mudang is Baksu...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.189.246.84 (talk) 18:42, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Male Mudang

message: Clarify this,
it is the kangshinmu who undergo the self-loss which causes a manic psychotic episode otherwise similar to a kundalini awakening psychosis. Hyun-key Kim Hogarth in her book Kut: Happiness Through Recriprocity makes the case clear that beyond being a psychotic episode, that the self-loss is a sacrifice of 'ki',  of vitae or lifeforce energy. Similar in principle to acupuncture. P.S., Dr. Wilhelm Reich was a western scientist who studied orgone, a LifeForce he theorized to be held within muscular tension. the British Spiritualists as well were interested in eastern religion and yoga. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle is very clear in his History of Spiritualism book that it is a sacrifice of 'ki' or 'prana' that causes mania in the medium and starts the initiation. 
The research done into spiritism has been very clear on this for over 100yrs so please clarify  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Troll ov Grimness (talk • contribs) 19:50, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initiation causes illness or cures it? One or the other it cannot be both. 

message: Why should this article and related ones have a WikiProject Central Asia template? Korea is not even close to Central Asia.--DThomsen8 (talk) 00:49, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Central Asia 

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message: 신교 (S(h)ingyo or S(h)inkyo) means both "Shinism" ("religion of the spirits", cf. Korean Culture 1998 p. 33 / Korean Journal 1985 p. 22) and "Protestantism" in Korean, although in the case of Protestantism it is a shortening of Gaesingyo (개신교), which means "renewed spiritual teaching (within Christianity)". This overlap is interesting, and may explain the large % of South Koreans identifying as believers of "Protestantism" in censuses.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 13:48, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad you created the terminology section, because I think the article really needed it. However, I have not found any sources in Korean using 신교 to mean shamanism. (I only looked at modern dictionaries and encyclopedias though, so it's possible it's out there in scholarly works or older texts.) 무속 and 무교 are the terms I've come across most frequently in Korean sources, which is why I put them at the top of the article. Again, it's possible they're not the most common terms in English-language scholarship. Just wanted to explain my edits in more detail. Best, Lenoresm (talk) 16:41, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi . "S(h)inkyo/-gyo//-ism" and "Sindo" are frequently mentioned in thorough English-language academic scholarship about the topic, attesting a long tradition of this name in spoken Korean. As the sources say, it means an indigenous "belief in spirits", i.e. Korean folk religion, which contains shamanism. Based on a quick Google search for 신교, it seems that it is used on a variety of websites to refer to the indigenous religion practised at shrines (similar to Japanese Shinto, though far less important in Korea due to historical circumstances and hindrances). "Korean shamanism", which we use as the title of the article, is surely the most used in generalist sources because the leaders of this "religion of the spirits" are the shamans. 무속/무교, which are "shamanic practice" and "Muism", are indeed frequently used for the same reason.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 21:46, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  신교 means both "Shinism" (i.e. shamanism) and "Protestantism" 

message: To create: a redirect to this article from Shinism. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 19:24, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: To create: redirect from [[Shinism]]

message: Korean black magic should be mentioned in the article as well.
Black Magic (마법- Mabob)  
Also alternative terms: “muism and shaman mudang” (무당巫堂). 
~~ Ted ~~ 2607:FEA8:4A2:4100:918D:B2E1:3F13:E888 (talk) 07:35, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black magic? 

message: Korean characters are needed eg like in the "Talismans and divination" section for "pujuk (bujeok)".
...  An important component of the mudang's role is to produce talismans called pujǒk (bujeok) 
Without the Korean characters English terms used in the article is no good. Its needed through out article not just in some areas.
For translation accuracy.   
~~ Ed ~~ 2607:FEA8:4A2:4100:918D:B2E1:3F13:E888 (talk) 07:50, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Also romanizations used need to be standardized. I standardized a few (now uses "kut" consistently), but there are a few stragglers. I think the article should mostly use McCune Reischauer, with the exceptions being if any existing article uses Revised Romanization. toobigtokale (talk) 06:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korean Characters needed