Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wisconsin/Archive 1

message: I've figured out a way for anyone to track recent changes for any article that has the Template:WikiProject Wisconsin on it; I've taken all the articles listed on Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:WikiProject Wisconsin and pasted them at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wisconsin/Wisconsin recent changes. I then pasted a link to Special:Recentchangeslinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject Wisconsin/Wisconsin recent changes at WP:WPWI. (I'll be updating Wikipedia:WikiProject Wisconsin/Wisconsin recent changes regularly so the list stays current.)
So anytime you'd like to see what changes have been made to Wisconsin-related articles, you merely have to click on that link rather than add tons of pages to your watch list. --BaronLarf 16:46, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
:Great idea; I love it! HollyAm 05:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Gosh, I got lost in all what you said you did, but it's sure impressive, doncha know.Kyle Andrew Brown 23:48, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes to Wisconsin articles 

message: The related articles American Empire, History of Minnesota, National Football League and Space program of the United States have been listed to be improved on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. To support one of these articles you can add your vote there. Also, Rodgers and Hammerstein is nominated at the Biography Collaboration. --Fenice 07:15, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvement Drive

message: Northeastern_Wisconsin_Zoo need more information. ~ --Kamic A'kota 21:33, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Created article 

message: I found this category today, :Category:Wisconsin metropolitan areas, and I'm not entirely sure what to do to improve it. I added Fox Cities to it, but I'm wondering about writing the following articles:
*La Crosse metropolitan area
*Eau Claire-Chippewa Falls metropolitan area
*Chippewa Valley
*Central Wisconsin
*Green Bay metropolitan area
*Appleton-Oshkosh metropolitan area
*Sheboygan metropolitan area
*Manitowoc-Two Rivers metropolitan area
*Madison metropolitan area
*Janesville-Beloit metropolitan area
*Racine-Kenosha metropolitan area
*Wausau metropolitan area
Obviously there's a bit of overlap in some of those (EC-CFma/Chip.Valley, Wausau/CentralWI), and some "lumping together" there (Janesville-Beloit, Racine-Kenosha), but I really don't know a lot about either. In all my traveling, I've never once so much as gotten gas in Janesville, and the only reason I've ever been in Beloit is because my dad knew where there was a KFC there from when he was a lot younger (either that or he just has a really good nose!)... Kenosha I've been to once, cuz my mom and I decided to take "the scenic route" coming home from Chicago once, and drove through both Racine and Kenosha on Wisconsin State Highway 32. BTW, there's a really cool map shop in downtown Racine. :-p I've never been anywhere near Sheboygan or Manitowoc, unless Fond du Lac and Appleton count as "near". Anyone have any ideas, pointers, or other comments about the scope of this little project I want to undertake? I can do enough internet research to write up something on pretty much anything (witness my recent creation of Chambers Island and Sturgeon Bay Ship Canal, two places I've also never seen...nor been near, unless Green Bay counts as "near"), but I'd like to first get a feel for whether or not some of these areas are regarded as "metropolitan areas", and if so, in what context? I know all about the USCensusBureau's definitions, but is that the kind of thing anyone but the census bureau cares about? Tomer TALK 22:05, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
:The list sounds good, except I'm not so sure about "Chippewa Valley" and "Central Wisconsin" -- what cities did you have in mind for those? Not sure about if Racine and Kenosha regard themselves as a metropolitan area with one another (as a Milwaukeean I've always felt we had a claim to them :) and Chicago likes to take in Kenosha). Also, what kind of info do you envision putting in these metro area articles? HollyAm 06:05, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
::Aye, there's the rub. Chippewa Valley colloquially (at least in the Eau Claire-Chippewa Falls area) frequently refers not just to EC-CF, but to Menomonie as well, and somewhat more loosely down as far as Durand and even to Mondovi, which is on the Black River, which isn't even a Chippewa tributary. On the other hand, Rice Lake is on the Red Cedar (like Menomonie), but which nobody would consider part of the "urban" part of the "Chippewa Valley" area. The Census Bureau has an Eau Claire-Menomonie CMSA, which includes all of EC, Chip and Dunn counties. The "Chippewa Valley" article I would actually envision being more a :Category:Regions of Wisconsin article, with probably prominent mention of something like Chippewa Valley metropolitan area or something similarly so-named, such an article to include discussion of the gawdawfully stretched out urban agglomeration that is the EC-CF area (much bigger than Manhattan, but with less than 1/1000 the population), with relevant mention of the Chippewa Valley Regional Airport's functioning budget being a result of agreements between the three counties, etc., as well as our incompetent whacko leftist nutcase governor's calling this the "Golden Triangle" at the ribbon cutting for the opening of the final stretch of Wisconsin State Highway 29 a few weeks ago. (When Dim Doyle becomes a WP contributor, I'll withdraw my personal attack.) As for the Racine-Kenosha thing, my glomming them together is a result of "ignorance of the unfamiliar", which I think I spelled out pretty well above. :-p While I think my putting them together and purposely dissing both Milwaukee and Chicago in the process (I'm sure the residents prefer to think of themselves as economic and cultural satellites of neither), I was trying to demonstrate "I need some help here"... I honestly think the rivalry between Janesville and Beloit is far more pronounced than that between Racine and Kenosha... The fact of the matter is that the incompetent peeps at the USCensusBureau refuse to acknowledge that there such economic and cultural differences could possibly exist out here in the "hinterland" outside New England, from township to township, or as we're so fond of saying here, town to town...and so they don't recognize town-by-town divisions when considering metropolitan areas. If you look at how I've defined metropolitan areas in the various metropolitan areas templates, you'll see I don't just incorporate incorporated cities and villages, but towns in which the population is at least 50% urban (which takes a LOT of sifting through data in the Marketing Atlas), in order to determine which Towns should be included... I don't think it's too much OR to define metros as we see fit (everyone else is doing it so why can't we? [excellent album, btw])... In truth, if it were up to me, I'd tell the census bureau to go home and let me clarify for them that Somers and Pleasant Prairie constitute suburban Kenosha, and that no, sorry folks, it's not part of suburban Chicago (caught myself making a swearword denigration of that great city there)... but they never asked, so I haven't gotten a chance to tell them my feelings. :-p Guess what. I should probably hit <cancel> now, cuz I'm frackin drunk. But, I know that somewhere in all that crap, I said what I wanted to, so I'm gonna hit <save page> and hope you've taken the time to sift through it to finger out what my issues are and will forgive the rest... :-P (does it help if I grin a lot? :-p ) Ciao belli! -t Tomer TALK 10:58, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
:::I think I gotcha :). If there's metro area definitions that everyone agrees exist, then I don't see why we have to use the Census' definitions; they are not static anyhow. Also, I populated the :Category:Regions of Wisconsin that you mentioned with some existing articles from the {Wisconsin} template. Most of those articles cover the geography well, but perhaps could be expanded to include the culture of the region, etc. They could be places from which to link to metro articles. HollyAm 00:49, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
:Hey, why are the city templates listed in :Category:Wisconsin metropolitan areas? Cross-linking from Wikispace to Namespace is a no-no. Maybe create a Category:Wisconsin city templates to use on the talk pages? -Freekee 18:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see there already is a :Category:Wisconsin Metro-and-µpolitan templates (whatever that means - rename, please?) just for the templates, so the "Wisconsin metropolitan areas" category just needs to be removed from teh templlate pages. -Freekee 18:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  metropolitan areas 

message: I am new to wikipedia.There are some articles you people should be made aware of concerning Wisconsin.
-I was able to add some items to the article of Archbishop Raymond Leo Burke of St. Louis,Missouri.I got some materials from RIVERFRONT TIMES St Louis
alternative newspaper about Archbishop Burke added to the article.He was born in Richland Center.
-Consequently,I got articles about the Diocese of La
Crosse,Bishop John Joseph Paul,and Bishop Jerome Edward Listecki started.
-I graduated from Aquinas High School in La Crosse and
started an article.I do volunteer work at Aquinas High
School with the archives/alumni so I do have knowledge
about this.Bishop Paul graduated from Aquionas.Archbishop Burke taught religion at Aquinas.
The wife of Wisconsin Governor John W. Reynolds the
former Patricia Brody was an Aquinas graduate.Also I added a article or a start of one about the Franciscan Sisters of Perpetual Adoration of La Crosse.
-I added articles about Bronson Cutting La Follette and
Douglas La Follette.
-I added an article about Campion High School in Prairie du Chien.My dad went there and was a classmate
of Congressman Leo Ryan who was killed in Jonestown.
Governor Patrick Lucey went to Campion.In both articles I added this fact.Am I in trouble?
Thank you- Richard Dungar-La Crosse,Wisconsin-
:Nice work! In trouble? Nope, not if there are no copyright violations or plagiarism. Researching a topic using sources and writing an article based on what you learned or already know is good. I did go through the articles you mentioned and fixed some formatting, added categories, and such, so have a look. One of the more noticeable changes I made was to redirect Douglas La Follette to Doug LaFollette, which was already created months ago; most info was already there but I merged some facts in. It would appear from the State of Wisconsin website that Doug spells his last name with no space after the 'La', so that's why it's redirected there. Also, have you considered creating a free Wikipedia account? Right now you are editing as an anonymous IP address, but if you register an account it makes it easier for you to track your contributions, be contacted by others, etc. Read more about it here. HollyAm 01:48, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Wisconsin 

message: A number of templates are being used in articles on various cities throughout the state. The issue of what should and shouldn't be included in the templates has come up on the talk pages of several of them. Anyone who's interested, please check out the discussion at Template talk:Eau Claire, Wisconsin and weigh in there. TomerTALK 19:49, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metropolitan templates 

message: Peer review has been requested for the Joseph McCarthy article. Please make all peer review comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Joseph McCarthy/archive1. TomerTALK 20:28, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review request: [[Joseph McCarthy]] 

message: There is discussion at Talk:Warren, St. Croix County, Wisconsin whereby a user has changed the article to read "township" instead of "town." I don't live in Wisconsin, so I don't have the most knowledge about this. HollyAm 19:43, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On that page, Renegadeviking seems to be waging a bizarre and misguided war on the correct usage of both these terms. He is in the wrong; those who disagree with him (including an impressive array of official publications referenced on that page) are correct. Merenta 21:51, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Towns or Townships? 

message: The Wikitravel article on Wisconsin is very disappointing, with a great deal of incorrect information and an ugly overemphasis on alcohol consumption. I removed some of the worst content, but overall the article needs a lot of work. Among other things, it claimed that, "Wisconsinites do not have a strong independent culture." I'm not sure if Wikitravel is relevant to this project but I felt it worth mentioning.Natlove 22:01, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've edited the Eau Claire article there...if anyone's wondering where he's talking about, the Wisconsin article is here. Tomertalk 19:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikitravel Article 

message: A userspace portal has been created for the State of Wisconsin... just wanted to bring it in to the fold by mentioning it here. Sulfur 22:45, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks great; good idea and nice job! HollyAm 04:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks HollyAm! I'll probably update the selected content sections soon... any nominations are welcome on the portal talk page. Sulfur 02:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wisconsin Portal 

message: I was checking on a couple items in my calendar today and noticed that this year's theme for the Badger Steam and Gas Engine Club show this year is "Made in Wisconsin". If what I've seen at past shows is any indication, this will be an excellent opportunity to photograph equipment from long-gone Wisconsin manufacturers. Sure, it's still seven months away (mid August), but I plan to head up there from Madison to get some photos and check the swap meet for railroad items; anyone else wanna meet there or (from the south) maybe carpool/caravan? Slambo (Speak) 18:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. I'll car pool with ya. Wanna come pick me up on your way there? ;-) Tomertalk 02:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Madison to EC and back to Baraboo? Shyah. B-) Slambo (Speak) 19:45, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  :-D Tomertalk 22:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for images and information of historic Wisconsin farm equipment 

message: Hullo. I messed around tonight with Devil's Lake State Park (and Devil's Lake, although that's a somewhat related issue, as I mentioned on its talk page), and realized that there is really only one "Devil's Lake State Park" (see Devil's Lake State Park (disambiguation)). So anyways, what got me riled up enough to come here is to point out that on the List of Wisconsin state parks, a bunch of park names are listed as park_name,_Wisconsin, which just seems to me to be a spectacularly bad idea. The naming conventions already in place have Place_name,_Political_division articles as municipalities, whereas geographical features are listed by their name alone, or Place_name,_(Political_division) in cases where multiple instances of the same name are found for distinct geographical features. So, I'd like to remove the "commafied" article names and links to them, if any more exist and, iff there exist multiple parks with the park names in question, move them to "parenthisized" article names. Comments? Questions? Tomertalk 03:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree: As is standard, disambiguate only if needed; and if needed, then use parentheses rather than commas. I randomly looked through some lists at List of U.S. state parks, and the comma naming convention seems to be unique to Wisconsin's list. HollyAm 04:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I went ahead and did it. Tomertalk 16:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks great to me. Sorry for having contributed to the problem... Chris Dolan 18:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah the marvel of WP. :-) Everything is fixable. I don't know that you contributed to the "problem" tho...I think the convention is newer than the "problem" article names... Tomertalk 20:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parks naming convention "problem" 

message: I made the article Sauk Prairie, Wisconsin, but I'm not sure exactly which categor|y(|ies) it belongs in. It's currently in :Category:Sauk County, Wisconsin (as well as in Wis-geo-stubs, since it's currently tagged as a stub), but that just doesn't seem like a "complete" categorization to me. Any ideas? Tomertalk 15:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I came across the article yesterday when updating the Recent Changes list, and considered categorization as well. Since you have outside sources for it, I think it does belong in Wikipedia even though it does not and has not existed. But since it's not an entity yet, I wouldn't think it should go in :Category:Cities in Wisconsin. And I don't know of any other articles in the same situation that would warrant creating an entirely new category. So I guess that's the only category I can come up with. --BaronLarf 15:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorization question 

message: How about adding a license plate for this list, also to be included in the transportation section of the main article? --LV (Dark Mark) 19:10, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Tomertalk 22:07, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work, now if we could only get the other missing plates. :-) --LV (Dark Mark) 17:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plates? 

message: I just started an article about Hugo Jan Huss.He was a symphony conductor and music director from Romania who died in La Crosse, Wisconsin.I am a little nervous about this article because someone from Romania will probably do a rewrite.I hope the 2 sources from the La Crosse Tribune will survive the rewrite.Mr. Huss will be buried in Romania.Thank you RFD 15:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hugh Jan Huss 

message: I started an article about Alexander Stewart (Congress);he was from Wausau, Wisconsin and was in the United States House of Representatives.I will be working on the Wisconsin members of the House with new articles, but it will be gradual and slow going.The Hugo Jan Huss article turned out well.
Thanks-RFD 14:08, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alexander Stewart (Congress) 

message: Found two photos from the NTSB docket on the accident, and they've been added into the article. I removed this task from the to-do. Enjoy... Skybunny 19:01, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weyauwega Derailment photos added 

message: I added Milwaukee, Wisconsin to "improve to featured status" because Wikipedia will soon be the topic of a Milwaukee Magazine article. One of their reporters (User:Milmag, her name is Katie, see here) recently interviewed me about my wiki activities and my take on wiki in general. Milwaukee Magazine has a fairly large readership, so it'd be cool if we could improve Milwaukee, Wisconsin and Wisconsin by the time the article goes to print. Katie said, "As of now it's slated to run in the City Guide, which hits newsstands in late May and stays through the summer. But I'm pushing for more space, which means it might end up in the regular June issue of the magazine." So we have a little time, but let's get to work! Cheers, all. --Fang Aili 19:29, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Milwaukee, Wisconsin]] 

message: I might make a former members section under the members section, so people know where to turn in. Whopper 03:26, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Former members

message: Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Titoxd(?!? - help us) 18:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team|Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team]] cooperation 

message: I just finished editing the Calumet County Parks article that I wrote, and I noticed that the are duplicate entries for the cities/villages in Calumet County: Brillion, Chilton, New Holstein, and Stockbridge. This problem can most easily been seen at Category:Calumet County, Wisconsin. There appears to be a non-standard way of naming all the cites, villages, and townships in the county of the form: City, Calumet County, Wisconsin ...... instead of the normal form: City, Wisconsin. Would someone who understands how these types of articles please fix the problem? I think its beyond me, for I don't know what should stay and what should go. I'm a resident of Calumet County if you need help explaining what's what. Thanks! Royalbroil 04:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind. The duplicate entries are for the townships that have the same names as the cities and village in the County. I think the method for naming the townships is confusing, but it appears to be the standard (at least within Wisconsin). Sorry for the false alarm! Royalbroil 16:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Good work. The "standard" for naming seems to be "use _(town) when a town exists by the same name as another municipality in the county, use , X_County when more than one municipality exists w/in the state w/in different counties (see Washington, Wisconsin, for examples). Whose scheme this was I'm not entirely certain, but I think it's used elsewhere, so it may have been developed by the folks involved in some of these WikiProjects. Cheers, Tomertalk 04:56, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming problems with Calumet County cities/villages/town

message: Hi, I think I'm going to start making articles for high schools in WI. When I first joined, I made two articles, Wilmot Union High School and Westosha Central High School. Looking around, I notice that there really isn't any standard for what a school or high school article should contain and there are only a few articles about schools. Is there a pretty good article I can use as a guide or what should a good article contain? Fay2 17:46, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Schools are the main focus of another (which should not be read as "completely unrelated") wikiproject: WikiProject Schools. Cheers, Tomertalk 19:21, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You should also probably be aware that school articles have been a source of controversy around Wikipedia. I've been involved with "defending" high school articles from deletion in the past and found that the best way to keep an article from the VfD chopping block is to start out with a good chunk of information (no sub-stubs) with sources and some facts that make the school stand out from others. But like Tom said, all this can be found at WP:PJSCH. Good luck, and thanks for your contributions! --BaronLarf 15:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  High Schools 

message: The article on New Zealand English notes the flattened 'i' sound, which reminds me of the Wisconsin 'o' sound (as in coat), a very closed vowel which I use as a marker to distinguish speakers from Wisconsin. Other markers include the use of 'bakery' to denote pastries, and 'o ya' (but that's Minnesota as well). Sometimes 'a' is broad as well, but I do not have a word which I watch out for. And of course there is the hardened 'th', (dere, de, dose) in Milwaukee, as well as 'Luteran'. Any other linquistic markers for Wisconsin English, folks? --Ancheta Wis 10:25, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wisconsin English varies upon where in the state you are; there's the so-called "Valley" accent found in Appleton-Oshkosh-Neenah-Mensha, the Milwaukee accent, etc. Usually when I think of the Wisconsin accent, I think of the very closed "o" with almost no dipthong, the heavy "r". And the idiosyncratic use of words like "yet" ("While you're up yet, could you get me a drink?") The Wisconsin Englishes Project from the University of Wisconsin-Madison has some good readings as well as podcasts on Wisconsin dialects. --BaronLarf 13:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wisconsin English 

message: There is a discussion at Talk:University of Wisconsin-Madison regarding whether the name should have been changed to University of Wisconsin-Madison or kept at University of Wisconsin--BaronLarf 15:09, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  University of Wisconsin vs. University of Wisconsin-Madison 

message: I started article for the Roman Catholic Cathedrals in:
Superior, Green Bay, and Milwaukee.Thank you-RFD 22:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Roman Catholic Cathedrals in Green Bay ,Superior, Milwaukee 

message: I started an article about the Sisters of St. Francis of Assisi, St. Francis, Wisconsin. The Sisters shared the original founders with the Franciscan Sisters of Perpetual Adoration and the Franciscan Sisters of the Eucharist of Meriden, Connecticut. I needed to start an article about the Franciscan Sisters of the Eucharist because their order was founded in December of 1973 as a result of a period of renewal within the Franciscan Sisters of Perpetual Adoration.Thank you-RFD 13:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sisters of St. Francis of Assisi-