Talk:Bodybuilding

message: This article is missing any coverage of what happens to the body after bodybuilding activities stop happening (i.e., when people get old, or have to stop for some reason). — Hex (❝?!❞) 03:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion of effects of cessation needed 

message: The effects on very young people, cardiovascular effects, metabolic results (there's a lot of undocumented physiological theory in the article at present). This needs serious attention from a specialist in physiology and sports medicien. DavidOaks (talk) 15:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Health effects more generally need treatment, better sourcing

message: Also, the article should also address the rising popularity of bodybuilding in the mid-1970's and 1980's when it was gaining national attention and getting exposure on shows such as ABC's Wide World of Sports and NBC's Sportsworld.  And how that popularity nose dived in the 1990's as the drugs continued to ruin the sport.  The inherent contradiction of trying to sell bodybuilding to the public as a 'healthy lifestyle' when the sport was full of competitors pumping themselves full of dangerous and (since 1990) illegal drugs led to the sport being relegated back to the underground from which it had just recently climbed.  It used to be in the 1980's several times a month you could find bodybuilding covered somewhere on cable TV.  Today? Not a chance.  There's a reason for that and I think it should be covered on the main page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.212.137 (talk) 23:30, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rise and fall in popularity

message: Where's Ronnie Coleman? He ain't even mentioned in whole article, though he's one of the all-time greatest bodybuilders in the world. So I think that if there is mention about Jay Cutler, there should be also about "Big Ron". He won 8 Mr. O's like Lee Haney. Afroseppo (talk) 19:09, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Added him to the article in the section "Rise of anabolic steroids". --Yankees76 (talk) 17:58, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ronnie Coleman 

message: Regarding the following section:
"Weight training aims to build muscle by prompting two different types of hypertrophy, sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and myofibrillar hypertrophy. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy leads to larger muscles so is favored by bodybuilders more than myofibrillar hypertrophy which builds athletic strength. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is triggered by increasing repetitions, whereas myofibrillar hypertrophy is triggered by lifting heavier weights. [10]"
I know nothing about this, but after a cursory reading, the document [10] cited does not in fact seem to support this conclusion.  It seems to say that the relationship is either still unclear and that it may even be up to an individual's genetics.  I think some qualification of this statement would be appropriate.
99.28.214.196 (talk) 04:25, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I find to state that bodybuilders focus more on sarcoplasmic hypertrophy over that of myofibril hypertrophy to be inaccurate. Myofibril hypertrophy splits the original muscle fiber. This leads many bodybuilders to hit heavy sets in the beginning of their workouts to get an initial split of the muscle fibers. This then allows for accelerated growth of the muscle fiber when utilizing sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. MikeScott2112 (talk) 20:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intensity vs. volume 

message: To my sort-of surprise, there is no article on this; though this search turned up some interesting items....I was thinking of Herb Ritts' work with Bob Paris, as a tangent of my mention of him in the previous section, and then there's Frank Gorman, Caruso (B. Weider's fave), Bill Dobbins, Chris Lund, and many others; the distinction between bodybuilding-as-sport, bodybuilding-as-physique-study/analysis, bodybuilding-as-art, and bodybuilding-as-porn has become blurred, and some such as Sandow bridge two or three of those, but separate sections on those topics would seem to be called for. Should probably post this on WP:Bodybuilding, I just happened to be on this page and it also seems worth a mention here, especially when high-profile photographers like Ritts and Gorman helped make bodybuilding "stylish" through t heir works....Skookum1 (talk) 18:36, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Physique photography]]

message: Article includes two images of bodybuilders wearing a type of clothing (red piece in Jackson image and blue piece in Osladil image), but doesn't say what type of clothing they are. What is the name for those pieces of clothing? (bodybuilding shorts?) --EarthFurst (talk) 18:51, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: They're most commonly called "posing trunks" and they're worn in competition or during guest posing. I think inclusion in an article would be more suited to an expanded Professional bodybuilding article or a new article along the lines of Bodybuilding competition, as not all bodybuilders compete and therfore most will never wear them, so it's not typical bodybuilding clothing for the majority of people who consider themselves bodybuilders. Maybe a single sourced sentence would suffice here? --Yankees76 (talk) 13:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clothing? 

message: Through some light on how Spirulina safe and helps for body building  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.123.74.136 (talk) 15:00, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spirulina for body building 

message: "This is important as high-glycemic carbohydrates cause a sharp insulin response, which places the body in a state where it is likely to store additional food energy as fat rather than muscle"
This sentence makes no distinction between glucose, which provides energy, and protein/amino acids, which builds muscle, and seems to imply that carbohydrates (broken into glucose) can be used to build muscle.
Any assessments from those with an educational background in biology/physiology?--Edible1 (talk) 09:24, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - I think I know what the writer is getting at, however the way it's presented is wrong. I've fixed it. --Yankees76 Talk 13:53, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientifically questionable sentence 

message: I've noticed that articles about bodybuilders are regularly deleted at AfD. I have raised the issue at [] and am trying to defend Michael Kefalianos at AfD. Is there anybody out there who is interested or agrees.  Nipsonanomhmata  (Talk) 10:49, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles about bodybuilders

message: This article needs a section detailing medical studies on how bodybuilding and regularly-performed bodybuilding activities affects the lifespan of people, whether negatively or positively. Wsmss (talk) 12:47, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oliver Bateman provides good insight into this topic when in connection to steroid use. MikeScott2112 (talk) 20:39, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Lifespan

message: Can someone add a section on machines that use electrical pulses to stimulate muscles to grow? These are usually worn in contact with skin, and manufacturers say they are a good alternative to muscle training in gyms. Wsmss (talk) 12:47, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? Electrical muscle stimulation machines are not really specifically created for or marketed to bodybuilders, but seem generally marketed to soccer moms looking for muscle tone or pain relief or to athletes to aid in rehabilitation and recovery. It may be worthy of 1 or 2 sentences in this article if sourced with reliable sources, but that would be about it. Yankees76 Talk 20:12, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Muscle stimulant machines

message: Please change  "Myofibrillar hypertrophy is triggered by increasing repetitions, whereas Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is triggered by lifting heavier weight.[9]" found in the Weight training section of the article to " Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is triggered by increasing repetitions, whereas Myofibrillar hypertrophy is triggered by lifting heavier weight.[9]" because not only does the page that is referenced to the statement prove there is a need for the change but there are several other pages that support would this change. This statement also contradicts the logic of the sentence immediately preceding it.
184.74.8.236 (talk) 15:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Good catch. ~Adjwilley (talk) 02:22, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 9 May 2012 

message: The uncited sentence, "Bodybuilding became more popular in the 1950s and 1960s with the emergence of strength and gymnastics champions joining the culture, and the simultaneous popularization of muscle training, most of all by Charles Atlas/Joe Weider, whose advertising in comic books and other publications encouraged many young men to undertake weight training to improve their physiques to resemble the comic books' muscular superheroes." is more accurately speaking of Joe Weider than of Charles Atlas. Atlas began selling his course in the 1920s and he flourished until the early 1950s. He never advocated weight training, and in fact his ads specifically warned against them. Weider advertised in the same venues and he advocated progressive weight training for bodybuilding, as opposed to Bob Hoffman, who advocated weight training for strength. After World War II bodybuilding took precedence over strength training, largely as a result of Weider's advertising and promotion. See John Fair's Muscletown USA: Bob Hoffman and the Manly Culture of York Barbell (1999). And by the way, Hoffmen needs a WP article if anybody wants to take that on. He's known as the "Father of World Weightlifting". Tom Reedy (talk) 16:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atlas vs Weider 

message: Can't find anything else about it. EIN (talk) 10:59, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of linking to Golden mean, perhaps that sentence should link to Golden mean (philosophy). EIN (talk) 11:07, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone elaborate on the whole “gracilian” part? 

message: Is the "Cutting" in Bodybuilding#Cutting and bulking related to Weight cutting? If so, we can wikilink the articles back and forth. As it is, I was trying to understand what "cutting" is, and how it's done, from a bodybuilding perspective and found the "Weight cutting" article first. It did not have what I wanted and so I looked up bodybuilding.
I was reading Schwarzenegger's "Total Recall" bio and from that it seems like the order is "bulking" first and then you "cut" just prior to a competition. Why is the section on this article called "Cutting and bulking?"  Should it be "Bulking and cutting?"
The "Clean Bulking" section starts out with "Many non-competitive bodybuilders choose not to adopt the conventional strategy."  What is the "conventional strategy?"
Maybe the entire "Preparations" section is a mess.  Should the subsections be
* Bulking
* Clean bulking
* Pre-competition cutting
--Marc Kupper|talk 00:27, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cutting 

message: As mostly uncited conjecture, I feel that mentions of specific bodybuilders careers in the "Rise of Steroids" section should be deleted, unless those bodybuilders have been a)Busted for doping, or b)Admitted to steroid use. While I, like many, know that it is common knowledge that steroids have plagued bodybuilding for years, it is unfair to name a bodybuilder as a general contributor to the "Rise of Steroids", and it is unfair to name bodybuilders that have never been caught or have not admitted use, especially without sources proving guilt or showing quotes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.38.185 (talk) 04:41, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I hadn't notice that sect-title, been busy elsewhere.....this is a BLP issue though not a BLP article....and POV also, as "steroids" is a media shibboleth of the first order.Skookum1 (talk) 05:29, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I see my attempt to fix that doesn't fit with the chrnology of the other sections...and that the section is a bit WP:SOAP and needs line-cites for each statement......this subject in general is hard to cite because "reliable sources" don't cover it as much as "unreliable" ones do, and when 'reliable' sources talk about steroids, it's usually heatedly POV and often false.....Skookum1 (talk) 05:58, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fairness/accuracy of "Rise of steroids" section 

message: Neither this article, the specific articles nor the official websites make it clear what the relationship is between the International Federation of BodyBuilding & Fitness (also known as the IFBB according to the lead there) and the IFBB Professional League.
There appear to be several more organisations in addition to these, such as NABBA International, see :Category:Bodybuilding competitions, :Category:Bodybuilding competitions and :Category:Bodybuilding.
As an overview article, this article should list all the organisations (and perhaps also competitions) notable enough for their own individual articles, and make it plain what the various relationships are... citing sources of course.
There is a general cleanup required in most if not all articles in this area, to separate external links out of the text and generally improve navigation, and to remove promotional material. Andrewa (talk) 16:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contests and associations 

message: It seems that there are not enough references to external sites on "External Links" section, Bodybuilding is a broad subject and the internet is flooded with good information regarding this subject. 
furthermore there is a Link there that is of low value and seems like a commercial Link. (this one:http://www.bodymassbionics.com/)
there should be references to sites which provides necessary information regarding bodybuilding and exercises
(suggestion: http://www.exrx.net/) which provides everything on each exercise, or sites which provide good information on the subject. YifatAmichay (talk) 13:25, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Please review WP:EL and WP:ELNO before adding any additional external links. Wikipedia is not a link directory. Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links. Thanks. Yankees76 Talk 17:32, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links not sufficient and has commercial site in them 

message: This section is extremely inappropriate for this article. 30 years of bodybuilding history is completely ignored (not a mention of the Mr. Olympia winners or any other industry advancements). Instead, it's entire focus is on Anabolic/Androgenic Steroid (AAS) use and regulation. This needs to be addressed.  Gregrium (talk) 17:39, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  1960's–1990's 

message: There should be more on Indian Bodybuilding.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flowing Creek (talk • contribs) 12:51, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Indian bodybuilding should be included? Meatsgains (talk) 19:32, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian Bodybuilding 

message: It would be beneficial to include some information about bodybuilding in general past the 1960s, this would include things such as all winners of the Mr. Olympia competition up to this point, as well as the introduction of the Sandow trophy in the Mr. Olympia competition, or where the name Olympia came from.  Furthermore, the second biggest competition for bodybuilding, The Arnold Classic, should be introduced along with its winners  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeerdman (talk • contribs) 03:36, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than including it in this article, that material would be better suited in the pages of Mr. Olympia or Arnold Classic. Best, Meatsgains (talk) 19:30, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-1960s bodybuilding 

message: The non weight lifting section of the article talks about site enhancement oil. If i want to find out what synthol is, it brings me to a totally different page that is not site enhancement oil. Also, because their is no page for synthol the section under body building pertaining to site enhancemet oil does not say the mechanism of action of how it works. Just what the usual composition of the materials involved are.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayan1222 (talk • contribs) 03:37, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  non weight use building/ snythol section 

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message: The article says nothing about steroids until suddenly in the "late 60s" the "mass monsters" appeared.  From nowhere.  I think three things should be clarified:
# Steroids didn't exist before 1935, so everyone before then was 100% steroid free (the general public doesn't know this, or at least not the dates)
# Steroids thus existed from 1935 onwards, and apparently widely available by 1945
# Steroids were so rampant by 1961 that, for example, according to most of his biographers, even 15-year-old Arnold Schwarenegger was on them (source: Arnold Schwarzenegger: A Biography; by Louise Krasniewicz and Michael Blitz, page 21)
I can't work on this now, but I think these should be clarified, and it would be great if the article contained more information about pre-steroid-era bodybuilding. Great floors (talk) 10:29, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should clarify steroid use began in 1935 or 1945, rampant by 1960 

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message: 1.) It seems to me that the article is more orientated towards pro bb. I feel there should be better distinction made between amateur and pro (especially federations), and more words about amateur bb. Maybe divide the article into Amateur and Pro bb.
2.) Also a word about conjoint World championships / competitions. An example is NABBA/WFF World championship. (They also hold their own W Chs.) How does that affect the rules, categories? Does that mean that there isn't a World championship in those federations in those years, but just one conjoint championship? 213.149.62.88 (talk) 21:43, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  conjoint world championships and amateur bb 

message: Article definitely needs a section on categories and a short description of each. There are numerous: classic, fitness, athletic (not only they pose but also perform exercises like pull ups, ergometer...) ... 213.149.62.88 (talk) 21:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: sources: https://naturalbodybuilding.com/categories/female/  https://naturalbodybuilding.com/categories/male-categories/  https://eliteproifbb.com/our-disciplines/categories/ http://fit4fighting.blogg.no/1429182305_body_fitness_vs_bikin.html
Note: There isn't an organization that has all the mentioned categories. 
Men’s Bodybuilding Categories and Divisions
*bodybuilding
*fitness
*body fitness
*athletic fitness
*physique
*classic physique
*sport model
*beach body
*ink/tattoo
*212 (Olympia)
*disabled
**physically challenged wheelchair
**physically challenged standing
*natural (aka ‘natty’, drug free)
*untested / open
*professional
*amateur
Women’s Bodybuilding Categories and Divisions
*bodybuilding
*fitness
*body fitness
*athletic fitness
*wellness fitness
*bikini fitness
*bikini
*physique
*figure
*figure classic
*sport model
*bathing suit beauties
*INBA Angels
*ink/tattoo
*disabled
**physically challenged wheelchair
**physically challenged standing
*natural (aka ‘natty’, drug free)
*untested / open
*professional
*amateur
Combined
*Mixed pair
213.149.62.88 (talk) 18:24, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: Is this body builder notable? Bearian (talk) 01:49, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Steve Kuclo]] 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: After looking into it, the website cited in the Muscle growth section appears to lift the entire "Muscle growth" section from Wikipedia, which existed before the date it was published, and which is re-cited back on Wikipedia in this edit. Is there a rule pertaining to this kind of situation, or does it just fall under unreliable sources in general?
70.67.242.129 (talk) 18:15, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation 49 appears to be an article copied word-for-word from Wikipedia 

message: An IP editor removed the  from the top of the article with the edit summary of 
I am adding  to Bodybuilding#Weight training because this section discusses medical topics. Peaceray (talk) 18:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Template:More medical citations needed to Weight training section 

message: What is "that effect" here? Does casein suppress the insulin secretion? If so, the citation is lacking.
Whey protein also has a bigger effect than casein on insulin levels, triggering about double the amount of insulin release. That effect is somewhat overcome by combining casein and whey. Tejasvi S Tomar (talk) 10:30, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interaction of casein with whey 

message: — Assignment last updated by Lapoa212 (talk) 16:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: English 1101 033

message: Hello guys,
I have a moral objection to having Arnold as the main picture for the bodybuilding entry. I am afraid it might encourage body dysmorphia and normalize steriod use. I think we should put a natural lifter up here. CalfRaiser150 (talk) 18:41, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense, agree. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Body dysmorphia warning