Talk:Bird anatomy

message: Also, check out Lung#Avian_lungs for some good stuff, and is there any way to contact the owner of this site and request we use his animation?
*Merge - Jack (talk) 23:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest send up a wikipedia.org word for an improvement to an app to draw lungs. There are no professional user options to upload images when you export your images to it. Are you kind to name a wikipedia extension app for professional drawing?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.104.152 (talk) 18:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge of [[Parabronchi]]

message: *Merge - Jack (talk) 23:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge of [[Syrinx (biology)]]

message: The image at the top labeled "bird anatomy" is not bird anatomy. It is bird topography. Grr... ----Birdman1 talk/contribs 19:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the caption, as you could have done - this is a wiki! Andy Mabbett 19:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: Much of the reproduction section is behavioral, not anatomical and doesn't belong in this article.  Perhaps it can be moved to a more appropriate article or separated to a new article.  Fredwerner 05:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reproduction

message: This is a high importance article and there are lots of facts but far too little referencing. Please add references or this will never travel towards GA much less A or FA. AshLin 10:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember reading an old book in my college days almost thirty years ago - Bird by Darling & Darling. It had much of the material to be covered here. Does anyone have a copy and could add the info here? AshLin 10:20, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Inadequate referencing

message: Bird bones are not hollow! They are comprised of crisscrossing pieces of bone fused to either end of the "hollow" bone. Adolph172 (talk) 22:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bird bones

message: I just uploaded this image to Commons and was wondering whether it could find some use in the article. mgiganteus1 (talk) 13:16, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: I am completely 100% confused about how birds breathe, and neither this article, other websites I've found or a documentary I saw on television, have left me any the wiser. Could somebody PLEASE improve that part of the article? -OOPSIE- (talk) 18:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bird breathing

message: The article states
:Development of an efficient respiratory system enabled the evolution of flight in birds.
I don't think there's enough evidence to support the word "enabled"; "facilitated" or "preceded" seem to be safer bets. Bats evolved to fly just fine with an inefficient two-way lung, so it's not clear why a one-way lung would have been necessary for the evolution of flight in birds. 
:air sacs, structures unique to birds
Snakes have air sacs. Maybe other reptiles too? Apes and whales have air sacs too but presumably they aren't related. AxelBoldt (talk) 01:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Development of an efficient respiratory system enabled the evolution of flight in birds.
suggests that animals with less efficient lung systems would not be able to fly, and as bats are the obvious comparison, it doesn't seem to make sense without being sharpened up.  But I wonder if it's worth it.  Somewhere it should be said that birds can fly higher than bats, and that could combine with the problem sentence, but further down the article.  I think it shouldn't just stay as it is; it should be chopped unless/until someone is prepared to make authoritive comparisons with bats.
Strangetruther (talk) 19:38, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air sacs 

message: I was just wondering and couldn't find the information in the article...
213.103.148.30 (talk) 20:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do birds have a tongue? 

message: Hi, 
I felt that scales are dealt with in 'Bird anatomy' far beyond what would be required. It could be shorter & concise with this section being transferred complete to 'Scale (zoology)'. Instead we need an equally detailed section on feathers, a unique evolutionary adaption of birds! 'Bird' has enough material to give a good start to feathers.
AshLin (talk) 09:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Bird anatomy#scales]] with [[Scale (zoology)]]? 

message: Do the non-hollow bones of birds contain bone marrow? If so, do all birds have some non-hollow bones? Or does some other part of the body serve the function  marrow does in mammals? --ESP (talk) 14:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bone marrow 

message: Please re-read the section on bones, specifically the skull. There are a few adjectives in there that do not belong in a professional article. And it's not funny. It's things like that that cause respected Universities and Colleges to ban Wikipedia as a legitimate source in a paper. Clean up your act.68.36.101.124 (talk) 17:13, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You are welcome to make improvements to the Wiki, and to remove vandalism. Snowman (talk) 14:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A suggestion for this article... 

message: A new article has been created about the part between the beak and the eye. Surely this article is the place for that information? — Fly by Night (talk) 02:04, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I see some logic there, but there is a lot of anatomy Stubs on the wiki. The "Lore (anatomy)" article has an informative image. I doubt if you could get all of bird anatomy with relevant illustrations on the "bird (anatomy)" article, so I suggest keeping this stub here. Snowman (talk) 14:03, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging [[Lore (anatomy)]] into this article 

message: The picture currently shows the furcula (wishbone) behind the supracoracoideus muscle/tendon.  I'm fairly sure it should be in front.  Also, the way the tendon is carried round the top of the coracoid is not very well represented here.  I made an upgraded and more complex version for my book but forgot to stop halfway to provide the upgrade for wiki, unfortunately.
Strangetruther (talk) 19:31, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supracoracoideus picture 

message: i needed some info about bird muscles, however, there aren't any references given!  someone who knows about bird muscles PLEASE edit to add in bird muscle citations.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Number.6.freeman (talk • contribs) 10:51, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on muscles 

message: It's a little surprising that feathers do not have a short section here, with  links to Feathers and Flight feathers. I note that the anatomical illustration at top right includes terms such as Tertials and Lesser coverts, so it seems that feathers are at least sometimes considered part of the bird's anatomy. I'm not boldly adding it myself as this seems, like so many within this project, to be an article written by experts, and I prefer to leave it to them to decide on this. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:14, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feathers 

message: The section on bird kidney and "urinary" system seems wrong or incomplete, it talks about urine re absorption, but does not mention Uric acid production, the most noticeable part of bird faeces. Is this produced in the kidney, or somehow converted from soluble urea in the intestines, (since it comes out with the faeces). If so what is the mechanism to go from CO(NH2)2 to Uric acid? A C5 compound. Sensor97 (talk) 02:53, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bird Kidneys 

message: Astonishingly, there is no section on the wings of a bird. The article hardly mentions the word "wing" at all. The most prominent mention of feathers is in the section "scales". With these glaring omissions the article misses its topic by a large margin.
Unfortunately, I am not literate enough in bird anatomy to fill the gaps. But if someone with more knowledge reads this remark, please by all means go ahead and be bold!---<)kmk(>- (talk) 17:11, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  No feathers, no wings? 

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message: Hello! My group is interested in adding a few additional heading with some specific info and we would love feedback!!!! Below you will find our thoughts and possible sources! Thank you!
I will be focusing on the digestive system, and specifically on the function of the Proventriculus as it works with the gizzard to break down larger food items.https://academic.oup.com/japr/article/23/2/306/761377/Function-of-the-digestive-system1
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Hamida_Hamdi/publication/281656486_Anatomical_histological_and_histochemical_adaptations_of_the_avian_alimentary_canal_to_their_food_habits_I-Coturnix_coturnix/links/563681cb08aeb786b703f22c.pdf
IMMUNE SYSTEM
focusing on the bursa of fabricius; function and anatomy -Adrienne
Bursa of Fabricius
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8238949
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284170935_Bursa_of_Fabricius
Circulatory System - 
focusing on the heart and its adaptations to improve efficiency allowing for flight.
http://people.eku.edu/ritchisong/birdcirculatory.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2681264/
Nervous System -
focusing on the middle and inner ear and its adaptations that allow for improved distinguishing of auditory cues
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1294398/pdf/jrsocmed00087-0047.pdf
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/276/1660/1355.short
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adriennescarcella (talk • contribs) 16:43, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible Sections

message: I was wanting some feedback about the possible addition of this info.
Bursa of Fabricius (Immune System)[edit | edit source]
Function[edit | edit source]
The bursa of fabricius, also known as the cloacal bursa, is lymphoid organ which aids in the production of B-lymphocytes during Humoral immunity.[1] B lymphocyte, or B-cells, play a crucial role in the immune system producing antibodies. B-cells can recognize specific foreign substances, multiply rapidly, and attack the foreign substance. These B-cells will recognize the same foreign substances based off of the shape of the invader if the body is invaded again, which leads to immunity from an additional attack. This organ is present during juvenile stages but involutes after the sparrow reaches sexual maturity.[1]
Anatomy[edit | edit source]
The structure of the bursa of fabricius consists of a circular pouch connected to the dorsal side of the cloaca. The bursa is composed of many folds, known as plica, which are lined by follicles surrounded by mesenchyme.The bursa of fabricius is surrounded by 10,000 plus follicles that aid in producing an ideal microenvironment for the production of B-cells, while each follicle is encompassed by connective tissue. Each follicle is comprised of a cortex surrounding a medulla. The cortex houses the highly compacted B lymphocytes, while the medulla houses lymphocyte loosely.[2] The medulla is separated from the lumen by follicular-associated epithelium, that aids in the transport of epithelial cells into the lumine of the bursa.[3] Per follicle there are 150,000 B lymphocytes located. [2]!
Note: I am trying to find an image still.
~~Adrienne  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adriennescarcella (talk • contribs) 05:12, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Bursa of fabricius

message: The muscular system could be expanded to further discuss the muscles involved in flight and the general muscular system of birds. I am working with a group of comparative anatomy students looking to add to this part of the page. Are there any thoughts on my expanding this? Kurtames (talk) 16:45, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Muscular System Edits

message: Bird anatomy#Respiratory system and Respiratory system#Birds say much of the same things, using mostly the same images and around 60% identical citations.
I collected the citations on each, and highlighted the duplicates. This may be useful to anyone who would like to merge them, compare them, or improve one using content from the other.
Bird_anatomy#Respiratory_system
References #47-55
 Calder, William A. (1996). Size, Function, and Life History. Mineola, New York: Courier Dove Publications. p. 91. ISBN 978-0-486-69191-6.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 "Bird lung". Archived from the original on March 11, 2007.
 Sinn-Hanlon, Janet. "Comparative Anatomy of the Chicken Heart". University Of Illinois.
Respiratory_system#Birds
References #44-53
 Campbell, Neil A. (1990). Biology (2nd ed.). Redwood City, Calif.: Benjamin/Cummings Pub. Co. pp. 836–844. ISBN 0-8053-1800-3.
 
 
 Storer, Tracy I.; Usinger, R. L.; Stebbins, Robert C.; Nybakken, James W. (1997). General Zoology (sixth ed.). New York: McGraw-Hill. pp. 752–753. ISBN 0-07-061780-5.
 Romer, Alfred Sherwood (1970). The Vertebrate body (Fourth ed.). Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders. pp. 323–324. ISBN 0-7216-7667-7.
 
 
 
 
 Ritchison, Gary. "Ornithology (Bio 554/754):Bird Respiratory System". Eastern Kentucky University. Retrieved 2007-06-27.
Intralexical (talk) 23:02, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bird anatomy#Respiratory system]] versus [[Respiratory system#Birds]] 

message: Birds are the only animal with light thin growth on their bodies called 2409:4066:196:C478:E10E:D00B:650B:CE0C (talk) 09:39, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  GK 

message: Birds are generally perceived to have hollow bones, and a lot of people I have talked to seem to assume that makes them fragile. I hoped Wikipedia would clarify this but I can't find an answer to the question anywhere. Please address this question somewhere on the Wiki, here or in the article on skeletal pneumatization. 2601:441:4900:A6E0:7DC6:1468:3C2A:A6E6 (talk) 18:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  How fragile are bird bones?