Talk:Greek refugees

message: This new section contains valuable information, but suffers from some POVishness, and may in fact be a bit vague. I started editing, but realized what is needed is really a discussion. A few points:
# The economic status of the Pontic Greeks, Smyrna Greeks, etc. needs documentation. What appears now is overly broad. There tended to be more merchants etc, there tended to be more farmers among Muslims... but specific sources and specific numbers are called for.
# The economy of pre-Lausanne Anatolia really belongs in an earlier section... I am not certain how, but we could look at reorganizing the article. Perhaps we need a section about the refugees before they were refugeed?
# The agreement that forsook reparations was signed by the Greek government. The details should be documented.
I have more ideas/questions. 
# Many of the refugees were primarily Turkish-speaking when they arrived. Where should this be indicated? (further, many were resettled in Macedonia, where as long as they were not Slav, was useful for the Greek state)
# Some of the Black Sea refugees had learned guerilla-fighting in Anatolia, and put it to good use against the Germans in WWII. Is this significant enough to go in?
# A disproportionate number of leaders of the Communist side in the civil war were refugees or children of refugees. Should this be indicated somehow?
# Refugees and their descendants today are fully integrated into Greek society, but there was a long period of discrimination, separation, etc. Also, refugees remained a distinct voting bloc for several decades. Perhaps a separate section on their unique history during the decades after their arrival in Greece? Jd2718 16:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negative effects 

message: This is an excellent start. Many small details will be naturally worked out through cooperative editing. I foresee two areas of greater contention: linguistic, and discrimination. (Hectorian, the initial author of much of this article, believes that all the refugees except the Cappadocians came speaking Greek; I think a substantial number were primarily Turkish speakers. Hectorian believes the discrimination against refugees was short-lived; I believe it lingered for decades.) But I am in no rush to "fight this out." We will work on what's good, and over time supply sources on the issues of language and discrimination. Thanks. Jd2718 18:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am ready to discuss upon everything related to this article. Jd2718's has been very cooperative in this article, something for which i am thankful. To be 100% precise, there were also Turkish-speaking Greeks from Eastern Thrace. But it would be rather difficult to draw a line between those who were primarily Turkish-speaking, those who were using Turkish in public-out of fear that they would be persecuted-(and were considered Turkish-speaking groups by outsiders), and those who were bilinguals. Having in mind that most of the refugees came from the region of Smyrna (a predominantly Greek-speaking area) and from Pontus (where the Greek language is still spoken), i see no dispute over which was the dominant language among the refugee population. as for the discrimination, i have made my point clear. I do not dispute Jd2718's views, however, i would like to see some examples, which would justify a possible quote that discrimination lingered for decades. I can provide a few examples about isolated incidents in the first months and years. Hectorian 18:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

text: There was a little about discrimination of Greek refugees in Greece in Sarrinikolaou's book 'facing athens', to be honest, I think he overstates it a little bit. But if you need help with referencing, ask me.--NeroDrusus 20:30, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial comments 

message: Should Greek phrases be rendered three times: in Greek, in transliteration, and then in translation? Is there a standard across Wikipedia? As it stands, there is no transliteration for the Greek phrases in this article. Jd2718 14:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek phrases 

message: Not just in this article, but elsewhere, we use the above term. For an American reader (certainly) and perhaps for others, a parenthetical (Black Sea) would be helpful the first time they are mentioned in any article: Pontic (Black Sea) Greeks. Would this be considered offensive? Should I bring this as a proposal to Wiki Project Greece? Jd2718 17:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pontic Greeks 

message: This page should be moved to Greek refugees (1922) since this population movement has been the last of a series of refugees' waves since 17th century--Kalogeropoulos 08:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: refugees

message: There are  no (!) sources in the historical background section, so I tagged it with the template of refimprove. Also, it is worth considering that it keeps saying "Anatolia was the homeland of Greeks for milennia" in the 20th century sectin, it is as it tries to emphasize it. --Seksen iki yüz kırk beş (talk) 09:57, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it seems like the whole article should be tagged, since many sections are wholly unsourced. Also, in the Nobel Prize section it says, "Interestingly, the Nobel Peace Prize was not awarded in 1923 and 1924, for no obvious reasons". What does this mean, can you understand? Wikipedia is not a place for conspiracy theories. --Seksen iki yüz kırk beş (talk) 10:01, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical background 

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message: While this entry emphasizes that the refugees were "Greek Orthodox", there was also a segment of Asia Minor Greek refugees who were Greek Evangelicals or Protestant Greeks.  
Although the Ελληνικη Ευαγγελικη Εκκλισια (Greek Evangelical Church) already existed in Greece (example: 1st Evangelical Church of Athens  http://www.aeee.gr/), the refugees swelled the membership and many new churches were established throughout the country (http://www.gec.gr/index.php?option=com_phocamaps&view=map&id=1&Itemid=43).
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https://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches/greek-evangelical-church
--AriadneDC (talk) 23:18, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evangelical Greek Refugees