Talk:Hairspray (musical)

message: hi —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.133.171.248 (talk • contribs).
:Hello --omtay38 19:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Greetings

message: The paragraph about a possible Toronto production violates the principle that "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation" .
It also reads, as I mentioned in my edit summary, very much like a press agent (although perhaps a press agent would have more [insert your own word here] than to sound so --"fan"ish). Reference is obviously needed, I held my "delete" mentality in check, but I was sorely tempted. JeanColumbia 13:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I killed the rumor paragraph and a bunch of fancruft.  Can we have a real plot synopsis and more good references instead, please?  Also, do the Drama Desk awards belong in the infobox, Jean?  -- Ssilvers 14:23, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oy indeed! Thanks for fixing the article, I really wanted to but...Yes, the Drama Desk awards belong in the info box.   I love this musical and if no one else gets to it, I'll a nice synopsis later. HON signing off for now JeanColumbia 14:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Toronto production

message: The plot synopsis added on October 31, 2007, is a direct copy (with a few minor changes) from the web site: [].
They include this statement on their web site:"Fair Use Notice
This web site may contain copyrighted material whose use has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. This page is operated under the assumption that this not-for-profit use on the Web constitutes a "fair use" of the copyrighted material as provided for in Title 17, Chapter 1 , section 107 of the US Copyright Law. If you wish to use this copyrighted material for purposes of your own that go beyond "fair use", you must obtain permission from the copyright owner."
From Wikipedia: "Do not copy text from other websites without a GFDL-compatible license. It will be deleted." 
I conclude that using the plot synopsis from the allmusicals web site is a copyright violation and am therefore removing it and reinstating the previous plot synopsis. Should I be wrong and should there be permission, that should be noted here. JeanColumbia 08:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This copyright violation has once again been added to the "plot", and I am once again deleting it (along wth unneeded and unreferenced  -- and in certain aspects, incorrect-- edits to the song list.)JeanColumbia 17:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Addendum--the copyvio is a direct copy from: [] JeanColumbia 17:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Synopsis added October 31, 2007 -- Copyright Violation

message: ::This copyright violation has once again been added to the "plot", and I am once again deleting it (along wth unneeded and unreferenced  -- and in certain aspects, incorrect-- edits to the song list.)JeanColumbia 17:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Addendum--the copyvio is a direct copy from: [] JeanColumbia 17:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: November 4, 2007

message: An editor deleted the cast/character lists and instead replaced them with a reference to the list of characters in a separate article. I have reinstated the cast/character list in this article, because I think the article should be a stand-alone, self contained "whole" set of information. It is more encyclopedic this way. In my opinion, the cast/character list is a very important piece of the information about a musical. The reader should not have to look elsewhere for the basic information. The reader might want more, and thus the additional listing (to which I have now provided a link) is great. Thank you, JeanColumbia 09:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with JeanColumbia's approach.  -- Ssilvers 15:36, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cast lists

message: I just thought I would say that Hairspray (2007 film) is currently undergoing a peer review in hopes of further improving the article.  Seeing as the film was based on this musical, I thought I would post here to let the regular editors of this article know that any contributions they could make would be more than welcome.  Thanks! —Mears man (talk) 04:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hairspray (2007 film) peer review

message: I thought the plot sounded "smooth"--well sure it did, it's copied from the offcial web site: []. I think I changed it enough so that it's no longer a copyright violation, but if no one else gets to it today, I'll review it again within the next few days.
And for anone who wants to do some reading, here is the Wikipedia policy on copy vio:
WP:COPY
JeanColumbia (talk) 16:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I carefully read the plot write-up, and even after my rather minor changes (yesterday), I think it has too much of the plot writeup from the official site that I discussed here yesterday, and which is a clear copyright violation. Therefore, I reverted the plot writeup to the previous one, in existence just before the edits that created the copy vio. JeanColumbia (talk) 13:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have just finished writing a new plot synopsis. I wrote it from my memory of the two times I have seen the show (second time was just last week so was pretty fresh) and used my programme for the placement of the songs. Please edit if you can improve it and also some pictures would be very good too.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark E (talk • contribs) 10:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks for those edits, much better now! :DMark E (talk) 13:10, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot -- copyright violation 

message: At WP:MUSICALS, a recent consensus was not to add voice parts to musicals.  The voice part designations are unreliable and can change from production to production.  Also the internet sources for voice part designations are not reliable.  Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vocal ranges

message: Notable cast members for each production should be mentioned in the productions section in the description of the relevant production.  This has been the consensus at WP:MUSICALS for articles on musicals across the project.  Best regards.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cast lists

message: I have posted information about this production 3 times now and the article has been deleted per the argument that it is an amateur production.   This show is in fact a National Cast and is being constructed in close conjunction with Musical Theatre International and is in fact the show that will be the first production of Hairspray to be produced by all non-equity actors.  The cast is working closely with Marc Shaiman and Scott Whittman and the cast will be producing a Cast Recording CD of the show to be sold and distributed publicly.  The production is also highly publicized (The Dish Network will be doing a 1 hour documentary on the cast and the production of the show on the Stage Channel in 10 different states this summer).  I ask that this information please be left up because this is the first production that will move along the royalties release for Hairspray and is a major stepping stone for the shows history and performance journey.  Thank you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BroadwayFuture46 (talk • contribs) 05:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What is a "national cast?"  All musicals have a "first" amateur production at some point, but they are not notable.  I am performing in an International Cast this summer at at festival, and my show will be performed in a 1,000 seat opera house before an audience drawn from all over the world.  But it will be an amateur production and will NOT be notable.  Why is this production notable?  See:  WP:MUS.  Why don't you wait until the production actually happens and is reviewed, so that there will be lots of verifiable information to reference about it, so that you can explain in the encyclopedia what it's relative importance is, compared to the Broadway and West End productions.  Also, why do mention the names of the performers?  Are they famous?  Why do you use capital letters for so many words in what you are writing?  Look at the rest of the article.  Can you see that you are not writing encyclopedically?  -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 2008 International Thespian Cast of Hairspray

message: An anonymous editor has rewritten the plot synopsis, without an edit summary, in a manner that does not appear to comply with Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Theatre/Article Structure and uses unencyclopedic language.  The plot synopsis for this show was carefully edited recently by editors familiar with this show.  If you believe that you can improve the plot synopsis, please explain the reasons for your edits.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, it is a copyright violation of http://www.nodanw.com/shows_h/hairspray.htm.  — MusicMaker5376 18:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot synopsis

message: According to her Twitter post, Lucy Durack says: "To dispell rumours-I am not playing Amber in Hairspray because I play Glinda in Wicked! However,I very much look forward 2 SEEING Hairspray!
6:31 PM Jun 9th via web". I am aware that this is not a WP:RS; I am also aware that various IPs have been adding her, as well as others, to various Hairspray productions. I firmly believe that all casting should be properly sourced per WP:VERIFY and WP:PROVEIT, and so have -- and will continue to do so -- either delete or ask for proper references for all casting.JeanColumbia (talk) 11:14, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Australia cast

message: In the final scene The job at ultra glow is given to Velma.  Well, I could be wrong but the current script has it that way.  Because the joke is ultra glow is for women with colour and is given to the rascist Velma  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.207.80 (talk) 11:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrepancy 

message: I have reverted today's edits by BroadwayExpert as they are unsourced. BroadwayExpert added a Broadway production in 2011, with Jonathon Groff. I did a google search on Groff or the Apollo venue but found nothing. I also checked Internet Broadway database with no 2011 production showing. This needs a WP:RS. Flami72 (talk) 13:59, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
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