Talk:Asmodeus

message: Unsure of how to fix this: It mentions in the first paragraph that the Book of Tobit is deuterocanonical, but then proceedes in the Asmodai in Judaism section to mention (elaborate?) the Book of Tobit. Is this not a kind of mismatch?
http://www.piney.com/ApocTobit.html
I am new here so I didn't want to go moving too much around, but if any more experienced editors could clean this up that would be good. -- user:Goosey
FYI I just met this demon unexpectedly for the first time while helping a teen break their pact with Satan, thanks to wikipedia I know what it is about Keith Hodges (talk) 03:38, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. The fact that this particular book is not part of the Hebrew Biblical canon doesn't change the fact that it is a Jewish religious text. -- Naive cynic 19:50, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: It is stated that in the Lesser Key of Solomon he is ranked only 32nd. I don't pretend to be an expert on this, but to me it doesn't appear that the numbering of demons in this work reflects their actual rank. Indeed, Asmoday is described to be "first and choicest under the power of Amaymon, he goeth before all other". (This is the Mathers/Crowley edition.) After the list of the demons, it is said: "These be the 72 mighty kings and princes which king Solomon commanded into a Vessel of Brass, together with their legions, of whom Belial, Bileth, Asmoday and Gaap were chief."
http://www.sacred-texts.com/grim/lks/lks07.htm
He is  actually called Asmoday in the Lesser Key of Solomon, and he is a King, his seal is gold.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.159.137 (talk) 13:38, 2006 February 9 (UTC)
S  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.88.68.5 (talk) 19:41, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asmodai in the Lesser Key of Solomon 

message: I added some things, moved some around, and formated a bit. More citations are going to be needed if this article is to go anywhere. I may work the demonology section into the section I called Asmoday soon. But seeing as how my additions were the only ones cited, I seperated it from the rest for now, but will try to find sources for the demonology section. Zos 04:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions 

message: The list is getting out of hand. Way too many entries and trivia, so I moved it to the talk page where hopefully we can integrate some of its content into the article body as stated in WP:TRIV. 
=== Asmodeus in fiction ===
*In Dungeons & Dragons, Asmodeus currently resides in Fortress Malsheem, located in Nessus, the ninth layer of Baator. He is acknowledged by all baatezu as the king of Baator, essentially making him lord of the nine layers of Hell.  In earlier publications, Asmodeus was the Lord of the Nine Hells, having overthrown Baalzebub (now Baalzebul), who himself overthrew Satan (who walks the Earth).  Asmodeus was Lawful Evil and overlord of the (lawful) devils (as opposed to Demogorgon who was Chaotic Evil and overlord of the (choaotic) demons).
*In David Allen's video game, Mordor: The Depths of Dejenol, as Asmodeus, the Prince of Devils and the game's ultimate boss. 
*El Diablo Cojuelo (The Cripple Devil), by Luís Vélez de Guevara
*Paradise Lost, by John Milton
*In Redwall, by Brian Jacques, he is a giant adder (see Asmodeus Poisonteeth).
*In the Wheel of Time books by Robert Jordan as Asmodean, one of the thirteen Forsaken, near-immortal men and women of magical might and political influence who serve the Dark One.
*In Nomine as Asmodeus, one of the Demon Princes.
*Shadow Hearts: Covenant as Asmodeus, a demon. He was summoned by Rasputin.
*Terranigma as Asmodeus, the disease that ravaged the surface world.
*Megatokyo webcomic as Asmodeus, archenemy to Seraphim
*In the Japanese comic Angel Sanctuary, Asmodeus was once a member of the cherubim and represents the sin of Lust as one of the Seven Satans.
*Gene Roddenberry's Spectre has a fictional cult devoted to the worship of him.  In addition, the animated Star Trek episode The Magicks of Megas-tu features a resident of Megas-tu who claims he was known, on Earth, as Asmodeus.
*In the arcade/Nintendo 64 fighting game Mace: The Dark Age, Asmodeus is a demon who wields an unholy relic called the Mace of Tanis. Drawing on its netherwordly power, he supports the Covenant of Seven, an alliance of vicious rulers in the medieval world. In return, these sovereigns constantly war on their neighbouring countries and subject their lessers to the worst kinds of torture imaginable, thus satisfying the dark cravings of the Mace and its master.
*The first Star Ocean video game features the Demon King Asmodeus as the source of the virus that ravaged the planet of Roak.
*In the Ogre Battle Saga, as both Asmodeus and Asmodee, the god of Bane.
*In Gabriel Knight 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned, Asmodeus is the demon the titular character must defeat in the Temple of Solomon.
*In the comic series RFU, Asmodai is the leader of the Pointy Hat Guys, responsible for orchestrating many of the series' events.
*In the PC game Diablo, referred to as Azmodan, the Lord of Sin.
*In Anne Perry's Tathea, Asmodeus is the evil counterpart to God.
*In Linda Haldeman's Esbae: A Winter's Tale, Chuck Holmes summons the demon Asmodeus to help him pass his college classes.
*In Robot Alchemical Drive, Asmodeus is the Leader of an evil robot race, and the final boss.
*In a Role-Playing Story called the "Yoshi Bodyguards" (formerly located in the Nintendo Nsider Forums, now in a private forum), Asmodeus is a Titan made of fire. The story's main character was named Asmodeus as well.
*In a series of novels by Richard Harland called the Heaven and Earth Trilogy, Asmodai is a fallen angel who pretends to repent. He is welcomed back into Heaven, but secretly continues to plot Heaven's fall.
*In the video game Painkiller, Asmodeus is the leader of Lucifer's armies. In the expansion, he usurps the throne of Lucifer.
*In Charmed the leader of the demonic group, the Triad, is named Asmodeus.
*Asmodai is also the name given to the Interrogator-Chaplain of the Dark Angels Space Marine chapter in the Warhammer 40,000 fictional universe.
*In Raven's Gate, by Anthony Horowitz, Jayne Deverill, a witch, has a cat called Asmodeus.
*In the action videogame Max Payne, the psychotic mafia goon Jack Lupino mentions Asmodeus in his deluded worship of various demons and other malevolent figures.
*Asmodaios was the name of a Greek satirical newspaper published by writer Emmanouel Roidis between 1875 and 1876.
*Asmodeus is the name of the demon who is about to be raised by his followers demons in the Playstation 2's game Shadowman 2 Second Coming.
*Asmodeus is the name of the demon of lust in the film Demon hunter (2005) portrayed by the actor Billy Drago. 
*In the book Dora, Doralina by Rachel De Queiroz, Asmodeus is the name of the main character's second husband/true love.  His father named him Asmodeus in order to spite a local Catholic priest.
Orphu of Io 10:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As a Wikipedia user, i would have wanted this on the page itself -- i am editing a book and needed THESE references, not the article. Also, over the past ten years, the list has been re-asserting itself on the article page anyway, and i wasted time editing the article for chronology, not knowing a better version of the list had been moved here to the talk page. I really dislike the fact that someone moved the list here. it is not "trivia." Far from it. Insofar as Asmodeaus is a cross-culturally multiversal shared LITERARY character, the list is important information. I have removed the below adventitious attempts to restore the list at the article page and am dropping them here. I dislike doing this, because i believe strongly that the list is valuable, but consistency precludes splitting the data across two pages: 
*Asmodeus is a character in the entire Forgotten Realms Dungeons and Dragons campaign setting, which is the setting for Erin M. Evans' Brimstone Angels book series where he is depicted as a Devil-god and the King of the Nine Hells. The character is utilized by Evans but was not created by the author.
*In the film Gabriel, Asmodeus is shown as a very handsome owner of a brothel in Purgatory, where a fallen angel is forced to work. He's disfigured one of the workers until she looks like him. He also blows up the soup kitchen, just before the final confrontation between Gabriel (Andy Whitfield) and Sammael/Michael (Dwaine Stevenson). He's portrayed by the Australian actor Michael Piccirilli.
*In Larry Miller's Just Words, Miller makes a reference to Asmodeus in describing one of his "friends," also making a reference to Goethe's Faust-Mephistopheles.
*Asmodeus (under the name Asmoday) plays a significant role in Alan Moore's book 'Jerusalem' 2A00:23C4:4B95:9000:D5E2:97A3:7D8C:CC6B (talk) 03:31, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

text: 75.101.104.17 (talk) 21:10, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asmodeus in fiction

message: *In Dungeons & Dragons, Asmodeus currently resides in Fortress Malsheem, located in Nessus, the ninth layer of Baator. He is acknowledged by all baatezu as the king of Baator, essentially making him lord of the nine layers of Hell.  In earlier publications, Asmodeus was the Lord of the Nine Hells, having overthrown Baalzebub (now Baalzebul), who himself overthrew Satan (who walks the Earth).  Asmodeus was Lawful Evil and overlord of the (lawful) devils (as opposed to Demogorgon who was Chaotic Evil and overlord of the (choaotic) demons).
*In David Allen's video game, Mordor: The Depths of Dejenol, as Asmodeus, the Prince of Devils and the game's ultimate boss. 
*El Diablo Cojuelo (The Cripple Devil), by Luís Vélez de Guevara
*Paradise Lost, by John Milton
*In Redwall, by Brian Jacques, he is a giant adder (see Asmodeus Poisonteeth).
*In the Wheel of Time books by Robert Jordan as Asmodean, one of the thirteen Forsaken, near-immortal men and women of magical might and political influence who serve the Dark One.
*In Nomine as Asmodeus, one of the Demon Princes.
*Shadow Hearts: Covenant as Asmodeus, a demon. He was summoned by Rasputin.
*Terranigma as Asmodeus, the disease that ravaged the surface world.
*Megatokyo webcomic as Asmodeus, archenemy to Seraphim
*In the Japanese comic Angel Sanctuary, Asmodeus was once a member of the cherubim and represents the sin of Lust as one of the Seven Satans.
*Gene Roddenberry's Spectre has a fictional cult devoted to the worship of him.  In addition, the animated Star Trek episode The Magicks of Megas-tu features a resident of Megas-tu who claims he was known, on Earth, as Asmodeus.
*In the arcade/Nintendo 64 fighting game Mace: The Dark Age, Asmodeus is a demon who wields an unholy relic called the Mace of Tanis. Drawing on its netherwordly power, he supports the Covenant of Seven, an alliance of vicious rulers in the medieval world. In return, these sovereigns constantly war on their neighbouring countries and subject their lessers to the worst kinds of torture imaginable, thus satisfying the dark cravings of the Mace and its master.
*The first Star Ocean video game features the Demon King Asmodeus as the source of the virus that ravaged the planet of Roak.
*In the Ogre Battle Saga, as both Asmodeus and Asmodee, the god of Bane.
*In Gabriel Knight 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned, Asmodeus is the demon the titular character must defeat in the Temple of Solomon.
*In the comic series RFU, Asmodai is the leader of the Pointy Hat Guys, responsible for orchestrating many of the series' events.
*In the PC game Diablo, referred to as Azmodan, the Lord of Sin.
*In Anne Perry's Tathea, Asmodeus is the evil counterpart to God.
*In Linda Haldeman's Esbae: A Winter's Tale, Chuck Holmes summons the demon Asmodeus to help him pass his college classes.
*In Robot Alchemical Drive, Asmodeus is the Leader of an evil robot race, and the final boss.
*In a Role-Playing Story called the "Yoshi Bodyguards" (formerly located in the Nintendo Nsider Forums, now in a private forum), Asmodeus is a Titan made of fire. The story's main character was named Asmodeus as well.
*In a series of novels by Richard Harland called the Heaven and Earth Trilogy, Asmodai is a fallen angel who pretends to repent. He is welcomed back into Heaven, but secretly continues to plot Heaven's fall.
*In the video game Painkiller, Asmodeus is the leader of Lucifer's armies. In the expansion, he usurps the throne of Lucifer.
*In Charmed the leader of the demonic group, the Triad, is named Asmodeus.
*Asmodai is also the name given to the Interrogator-Chaplain of the Dark Angels Space Marine chapter in the Warhammer 40,000 fictional universe.
*In Raven's Gate, by Anthony Horowitz, Jayne Deverill, a witch, has a cat called Asmodeus.
*In the action videogame Max Payne, the psychotic mafia goon Jack Lupino mentions Asmodeus in his deluded worship of various demons and other malevolent figures.
*Asmodaios was the name of a Greek satirical newspaper published by writer Emmanouel Roidis between 1875 and 1876.
*Asmodeus is the name of the demon who is about to be raised by his followers demons in the Playstation 2's game Shadowman 2 Second Coming.
*Asmodeus is the name of the demon of lust in the film Demon hunter (2005) portrayed by the actor Billy Drago. 
*In the book Dora, Doralina by Rachel De Queiroz, Asmodeus is the name of the main character's second husband/true love.  His father named him Asmodeus in order to spite a local Catholic priest.
Orphu of Io 10:50, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As a Wikipedia user, i would have wanted this on the page itself -- i am editing a book and needed THESE references, not the article. Also, over the past ten years, the list has been re-asserting itself on the article page anyway, and i wasted time editing the article for chronology, not knowing a better version of the list had been moved here to the talk page. I really dislike the fact that someone moved the list here. it is not "trivia." Far from it. Insofar as Asmodeaus is a cross-culturally multiversal shared LITERARY character, the list is important information. I have removed the below adventitious attempts to restore the list at the article page and am dropping them here. I dislike doing this, because i believe strongly that the list is valuable, but consistency precludes splitting the data across two pages: 
*Asmodeus is a character in the entire Forgotten Realms Dungeons and Dragons campaign setting, which is the setting for Erin M. Evans' Brimstone Angels book series where he is depicted as a Devil-god and the King of the Nine Hells. The character is utilized by Evans but was not created by the author.
*In the film Gabriel, Asmodeus is shown as a very handsome owner of a brothel in Purgatory, where a fallen angel is forced to work. He's disfigured one of the workers until she looks like him. He also blows up the soup kitchen, just before the final confrontation between Gabriel (Andy Whitfield) and Sammael/Michael (Dwaine Stevenson). He's portrayed by the Australian actor Michael Piccirilli.
*In Larry Miller's Just Words, Miller makes a reference to Asmodeus in describing one of his "friends," also making a reference to Goethe's Faust-Mephistopheles.
*Asmodeus (under the name Asmoday) plays a significant role in Alan Moore's book 'Jerusalem' 2A00:23C4:4B95:9000:D5E2:97A3:7D8C:CC6B (talk) 03:31, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

text: 75.101.104.17 (talk) 21:10, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asmodeus in fiction 

message: Has Asmodeus/Asmodai ever been mentioned in any translation/version of the Christian Bible?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.181.168.245 (talk) 09:35, 2008 May 25 (UTC)
:: Yes, in the Catholic and Orthodox versions. See Book of Tobit  thx1138 (talk) 18:14, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asmodeus/Asmodai in the Christian Bible 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support as proposer. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:03, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The article 'Rennes-le-Château' included in the See Also section does not mention demons at all, much less ashmodai. Did I miss something?  Phil_burnstein (talk) 09:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea. removed. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:23, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also? 

message: Just dropping in refs as I poke about a bit.
* Crawford Howell Toy, "Evil Spirits in the Bible", Journal of Biblical Literature 9 (1890): 17–30.
* Charles Cutler Torrey, "'Nineveh' in the Book of Tobit", Journal of Biblical Literature 41 (1922): 237–245.
* Henry A. Redpath, "Mythological Terms in the LXX", The American Journal of Theology 9 (1905): 34–45.
* Wolf Wilhelm Graf von Baudissin, "Asmodi", in de:Albert Hauck and Johann Jacob Herzog (eds.), Realencyklopädie für protestantische Theologie und Kirche, (Leipzig: de:Johann Conrad Hinrichs, 1896-1913), vol. 2, p. 142. 
* Erik Stave, Einfluss des Parsismus auf das Judentum, (Haarlem: E.F. Bohn, 1898). 
* Nathaniel ben Jehiel (of Rome), Aruch Completum, 8 volumes, edited by Alexander Kohut, (Vindobona: Hebräischer Verlag "Menorah", 1926), vol 1, p. 318. 
Alastair Haines (talk) 21:17, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional sources 

message: It doesn't belong. Every other example in that section is cited to an independent source, which indicates that particular depiction's impact on the general popular perception. The monstrous manual and DMG "references" do not do that, and there is no indication they are important to the general perception. They belong at the IPC article, not here. Mintrick (talk) 07:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sourcing to primary, secondary or tertiary sources is a guideline, not a rule. But in the interests of avoiding an edit war, I will procure secondary sourcing. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dungeons and Dragons ref 

message: A source needs to be added for Rudwin, mentioned in the references but otherwise undefined. Rwflammang (talk) 00:49, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference is ref #11 - I added others with the other page numbers. I'll split out. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:15, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  sources are incomplete 

message: I added a needed reference to Asmodeus in the Talmud. GITTEN 68a & 68b.. where you can find the story of capturing him using the magic ring of Solomon and a magic chain (much like Frodo & Gollum actually!!)
There is a mention in the Qur'an of Demons helping Solomon (Sulaiman) build stuff & get marbles from under the sea. Sura (Sad 38:37)  
"Then We subjected the Wind
To his power, to flow
Gently to his order,
Whithersoever he willed,—
As also the evil ones,
(Including) every kind
Of builder and diver,—
As also others bound
Together in fetters."
Salama
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.46.17.105 (talk) 07:03, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talmud and Qur'an 

message: It seems confusion arises between the former poster's views who claims the Jewish encyclopedia would have said that there are no links whatsoever between AEshma Daeva and Ashmodai, yet he posted only the link to the reference in the encyclopedia "Aeshma" http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/873-aeshma-asmodeus-ashmedai
while I looked up "Asmodeus" http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/2019-asmodeus
I came to believe both articles were from different sites but no it comes from the same website which has the unedited full text 1906 version of the Jewish Encyclopedia.
Still in the Aeshma article in the encyclopedia, there is a chapter called "Influence of Persian Beliefs on Judaism." :
"However, it is not impossible that Æshma-dæva, too, may have had other qualities analogous, point for point, to those of Asmodeus and Ashmedai. It is probable that the belief in the existence of a number of carnally minded and lascivious spirits, which was prevalent among the Parsees as among other peoples with whom the people of Israel came in contact, exercised an influence not merely on the Hebrew conceptions of an Asmodeus or Ashmedai, but also on Jewish ideas in general with regard to the qualities of evil spirits."
"Not the least was the influence of Parseeism."
"the depiction of Ashmedai in the Talmud, show that the popular beliefs of the Persians have likewise had a bearing, presumably in the first instance, on popular beliefs, and later, through them, on their theological modes of thought."
More, in the article "Asmodeus" in the encyclopedia , the etymological connection is refuted:
"A consideration of the linguistic arguments does not support the hypothesis of an identification of Ashmedai with Æshma-dæva, as "dai" in Ashmedai hardly corresponds with the Persian "dæva," in view of the Syriac form "dawya" (demon) with the consonant "w"; nor is there any instance of the linking of "Æshma" and "dæva" in Persian texts."
yet, in the same chapter of the same article comparing AEshma with Ashmodai there is a part denoting that in some texts their roles and appearance are somehow similar:
"Asmodeus of the Apocrypha, and Æshma, however, seem to be related. In the Testament of Solomon Asmodeus appears as seducing man to unchaste deeds, murder, and enmity, and thus reveals many points in common with Æshma. The "Bundehish" (xxviii. 15-18) furnishes the most striking resemblance: "There, wherever Æshm lays a foundation, many creatures perish." "  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.240.163.245 (talk) 21:59, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with former references 

message: It appears as though reference #42 has a bad link. Based on a search at the Library of Congress website, I believe the proper link should be <https://www.loc.gov/item/mal4080600/><https://www.loc.gov/item/mal4080600/>.
Apologies if I am mistaken or have not suggested this edit properly.
Larryleveen (talk) 02:17, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correcting Bad Reference (#42) 

message: Hey, this is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Damonthesis signing back in with a new account -- I really hope you all give second chances because this is my "first attempt" I never really had any "sock puppets" or other accounts, it's just that one and I was using it just to make "silly little edits" and ensure the history linked a set of mind control related pages to religion and myself.
This is that, continuing.  Forever in the Swiki "permalog" of the Wikipedia DVD's and "our English idea" the series on how and where:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_image_rule
- https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CABBMB_enUS988US988&sxsrf=AOaemvKOVzk5Mjc0HVVfnzIJg7fI5ytXqw%3A1642366913912&lei=wYfkYaCKN6WbwbkPr8SyqAc&q=mirror%20image%20rule&ved=2ahUKEwjg7vnDlbf1AhWlTTABHS-iDHUQsKwBKAB6BAg7EAE&biw=1517&bih=702&dpr=0.9
We have some other issues to deal with, I think this specific page is missing information related to the length of time Azmogod was "left in Hell" and it was something on the order of millions of years if I remember correctly.  It could have been hundreds, that's my best effort at recollection, I'll search the logs for "years" in a little bit.
I am very concerned.  Obviously this "is me" ... this specific page, and it should definately link directly to Damonthesis and ... "Adam"
I have some work to do.
The mirror list and tunneling or gophering through the series discusses a significant issue.  There are a number of broken German mirrors and no other country appears interested in saving the information on Wikipedia.  Nobody is "doing the right thing" and attempting to help us build a better moderation system and ensure that we have a compilation of the world's knowledge on par with World Book and Brittanica.
- https://www.britannica.com/
That's basically today's Merck manual on the illogical idiocy regarding the DSM-V and DSM-IV ... and I mean, it hasn't really been kept up.  I personally believe I have a 90's era World Book that I read from regarding Clinton and Oxford; so those things are concrete, I was reading about Rhodes scholarship as he was the sitting president--and is a Rhodes scholar (afaik).
21:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flazrael here ... 

message: Research 2600:6C42:6D7F:A0FA:D937:BB45:F29F:7E4C (talk) 10:04, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  A s o d e u s 

message: Do you think Asmodeus is eligible for the "People and things in the Quran" template? He appears, but isn't mentioned by name, only the exegesis links the name to this figure, the figure itself, however, appears. I am undcided- VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 22:28, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islam Template? 

message: Two movies, both widely released across the world, are "pop culture." There is nothing wrong with including them here. -- 75.7.111.216 (talk) 20:23, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: In popular culture