Talk:Stetson University College of Law

message: possible Copyvio :) Dlohcierekim 02:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible copyvio

message: temporary created {01:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Most of the links at the bottom do not work. I attempted to remove them - but someone undid my changes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.73.24.46 (talk) 00:08, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: The article contains the sentence, "Over the past dozen years, the school's advocacy program has been, according to some sources, ranked first in the nation eight times, and second three times."  I think that claim needs to be supported by some type of citation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.74.22 (talk) 21:54, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite? 

message: IN TOP RIGHT SIDEBAR: Update USNWR ranking to 109th  
IN "PROGRAMS" SECTION: Replace first bullet with "Offers J.D. Certificates of Concentration in Advocacy, Elder Law, Environmental Law, International Law and Social Justice; J.D./M.B.A., J.D./Grado (Spanish law degree), J.D./M.I.C.L., and J.D./M.P.H. dual-degree programs; LL.M. in International Law and online LL.M. degree in elder law." 
IN "STANDINGS" SECTION: Replace first sentence with "Stetson University is ranked #74 in the National Jurist's rankings of the top 80 law schools in the United States." 
ALSO IN "STANDINGS" SECTION: Replace first bullet with "Ranked 109th among law schools nationally. The school is ranked first in trial advocacy, fifth in legal writing, and 40th in part-time law. 
:. Thank you for your contribution. –Mabeenot (talk) 02:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2013 program and ranking updates 

message: Since Stetson University College of Law remains a part of Stetson University, perhaps that Wikipedia page should be linked in the first sentence? Example: Stetson University College of Law, founded in 1900, is Florida's first law school.
I'd do it myself, but I work for Stetson so it's a COI.
:. Thank you for your contribution. Voceditenore (talk) 16:58, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stetson University affiliation/link 

message: IN TOP RIGHT SIDEBAR: 
Update USNWR ranking to 93rd 
::Done Voceditenore (talk) 08:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Partially done. I used only the most recent. Voceditenore (talk) 08:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Voceditenore (talk) 10:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Done. Voceditenore (talk) 08:29, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Partially done. I used only the most recent. Voceditenore (talk) 09:15, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Done. Voceditenore (talk) 09:15, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

text: I've added reflist so the references are visible temporarily. I'll have a look at this tomorrow. Voceditenore (talk) 19:13, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: All done. See my notes above. Voceditenore (talk) 10:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  2014 program and ranking updates 

message: Since Stetson University College of Law is an academic institution, I would like to request that the "Programs" and "Standings" section be moved to the top of the entry, and the "Employment" and "Cost" sections be given a lower priority on the page.
Also, the details on these more recent section changes include several important exclusions and errors. On the ABA statistics cited in the Employment section, the full-time long-term bar passage required employment rate is actually 62%. When you add the total employment rates for those in bar passage required, J.D. advantage, professional positions, or pursuing a full-time graduate degree (not including those working in non-professional positions), the total rate is 91.27%. The ABA is the primary accreditor for all law schools, giving these reports important objective credibility.
In the Cost section, the first sentence references West Virginia University instead of Stetson University College of Law. It also uses a period instead of a comma for the total cost of attendance. The actual tuition and fee amounts were deleted recently, so I would like to request that they be added back in. Full-time tuition for 2014-15 is $38,584 with fees of $320 for the year. 
Also in the Cost section, the debt-financed cost referenced in the current entry makes several assumptions: that every student maxes out their access to loans for three years with no outside work or income of any type, plus it makes assumptions for inflation and interest rates. Based on the subjective nature of these assumptions, I would recommend that the debt-financed cost of attendance item be removed from the article.
THANK YOU for your consideration of these recommendations.
PS--Does the May 2009 request for additional citations still need to be there? The page has evolved quite a bit since then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TampaEditor (talk • contribs) 20:28, 24 July 2014‎ 
:TampaEditor, here's what I did—a fairly major reorganization of the article to comply with the recommended section headings, section content, and style per Wikipedia:College and university article guidelines. The tuition is now simply stated in the "Academics" section were it belongs. The business about estimated cost of living and cost of various assumptive debt finance figures is random, imprecise, unencyclopedic detail. I removed it. The employment and underemployment scores are adequately explained in the article text. I saw no reason to remove them or alter them to a different "spin". I've replaced the embedded  lists with prose, moving the rankings and employment figures to the "Academics" section and the various law school contests to the "Student life" section. The "additional citations" tag is definitely still needed. For one thing, all but one of the claims in the "Student life" section are unsourced, as are several claims in the "Academics" section, e.g. "Centers of excellence". Who says they are, apart from the college itself? The notable faculty and alumni also ought to be checked. Any name which does not have a reference in that person's article verifying their status as a faculty member or alumnus should have a reference added or be removed. Every red-linked name in those lists, e.g. Peter N. Meros, requires an inline citation or should be removed. Voceditenore (talk) 13:58, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Voceditenore. Even though the employment scores are explained, they are inaccurate when compared to the cited ABA report (footnote #8, "ABA Required Disclosure"). It isn't spinning the data when the "full-time, long-term, JD-required employment nine months after graduation" count on the official report is 199/321 graduates, which is 62%. I respect your decision on this and your other recommendations for the other citations (we usually take a laissez faire approach to this page unless we see something inaccurate or distorted). Thanks! TampaEditor (talk) 14:42, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it to 62% given the source it's referenced to. I had initially thought it and under-employment score had the same source. Voceditenore (talk) 16:05, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization of page and more complete/objective sources 

message: I work for Stetson University College of Law and have a COI for making edits directly. In right box, can you please change "Dean" to "Interim Dean" and replace "Christopher M. Pietruszkiewicz" with "Kristen Adams". https://www.stetson.edu/law/faculty/adams-kristen-d/ 
Can you please also update the Employment section that currently has stats for 2014? For the class of 2017, of 263 graduates, 245 were employed and 6 were enrolled as full-time students on March 15, 2018. Additional information is available on Stetson Law's Employment Reports web page at https://www.stetson.edu/law/career/employment-report.php.
https://www.stetson.edu/law/career/employment-report.php
Thank you!
Bkvander (talk) 16:40, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Regards,  spintendo  19:57, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Some proposed changes

message: #  The interim dean was added to the infobox.
#  The information regarding employees was not changed because it was not clear what figures we're dealing with.  seems to conflate the figures for employees and students. Please clarify which is which.
# Please ensure that all new posts are placed at the bottom of the talk page. Thank you!
::Regards,  spintendo  19:57, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 21-AUG-2018

message: Thanks for your feedback above regarding Stetson's employment statistics. I have consulted with others at Stetson and would like to submit the following statement containing Stetson's latest employment information as a replacement for the 2014 information currently on page:
“According to Stetson Law's official 2018 ABA-required disclosures of Employment Outcomes, 77.1% of the Class of 2017 obtained full-time, long-term, JD-required or JD-Advantage employment ten months after graduation, 1.9% of the graduates were still seeking employment at the time of reporting.”
For reference, please see the "Employment Summary for 2017 Graduates" at https://www.stetson.edu/law/career/media/2017-employment-report.pdf . 
https://www.stetson.edu/law/career/media/2017-employment-report.pdf
The current sentence under Employment section stating "About 27 students from this graduating class obtained law teaching positions" is inaccurate and should be removed. The chart could be either removed or updated with information from https://www.stetson.edu/law/career/media/2017-employment-report.pdf for consistency with Stetson's latest employment information. Thank you.
Bkvander (talk) 18:19, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Regards,  spintendo  08:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Some proposed changes

message: # The ABA document regarding 2017 graduates that you've provided for the reviewer to verify the requested claim statement contains raw data, and in order to understand this raw data, a link was provided within that document for the reader to access ("Category definitions can be found here"). Currently, this link is not active. Thus, part of the information needed to access the entirety of the document's data has not been provided. The claim statement in the edit request therefore cannot be verified because the information provided by its reference is partial and incomplete.
# The edit request claim that  does not provide information on how and in what way the statement is inaccurate. The reviewer needs to understand these aspects of the statement in order to better determine whether the statement should be removed. 
::Regards,  spintendo  08:13, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 29-AUG-2018

message: Regarding Special:Diff/864652233, I wonder if this may be the issue addressed in the "edit request" sections above. Instead of replacing content by a link, please use the link to update the content. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:32, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: . Heartmusic678 (talk) 11:26, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

text: . Expanded section for clarity. Heartmusic678 (talk) 14:16, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

text: . Added citations for all Bar passage rates because there weren't enough to support all the data. Heartmusic678 (talk) 15:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

text: . I researched the formatting of a few other law school pages and reconfigured the student life section. Clinics, publications, rankings and competitions are all subsections within Academics. I also reworded any writing that was taken verbatim from a source. National recognition accolades reflect data on Stetson Law's site at the time of this edit. Heartmusic678 (talk) 12:14, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

text: with language edits. Heartmusic678 (talk) 11:59, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

text: . Added citations for notable alumni. Place notable faculty before alumni. Heartmusic678 (talk) 12:59, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

text: The request has been answered. Heartmusic678 (talk) 12:08, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replacement of outdated section by external link