Talk:Tara Subkoff

message: This is the message I put on the Administrator's noticeboard regarding Chris77xyz's message above:
Back in 2002 I took some photographs of Tara Subkoff's Imitation of Christ fashion show.  One of the "vignettes" in the show was of models wearing a line of underwear vacuuming topless.  Professional photographs can be seen on the highly-regarded Vogue Magazine's Style.com  and Artnet Magazine. I put my photograph on the Tara Subkoff page (there is no Imitation of Christ page).   Chris77xyz has some kind of issue with breasts and initially tried to add a disclaimer that they don't represent Subkoff's designs (as the links above to mainstream publications show, they do) and then tried to take them off.  He is now threatening legal action, called me a "scumb bag" and "perv" and is threatening edit wars.  The photographs aren't obscene, unless breasts are obscene (British editors/admins take note).  These are clear cut case of violation of Wikipedia:No_legal_threats and Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks.  I note I reverted his edits one time and he has never made any attempt to contact me.  --DavidShankBone 15:09, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Administrator's Notice Board: Request for block of [[User:Chris77xyz|Chris77xyz]]

message: The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Jreferee 20:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter|Biography assessment rating]] comment 

message: It's a little mind-boggling, to be honest, these long, bizarre screeds over four photographs.  Out of around 700 photographs I have on this site, everything from skywriting to John Lithgow to lettuce to Angela Bassett, Chris seems certain he's "called my number" based on these four.  With less than 500 edits on this site, Chris nevertheless fancies his ability to spot charlatans and--ahem--"careerist scumbags."  It's amusing.  But I also worry about Chris in that he seems utterly consumed by me, preoccupied with analyzing my life, my hopes, my dreams. *sigh*  I guess I should consider it a compliment.  While he is busy waxing about me and my life, tossing out more false tautologies than Tara trots out tits at her shows (and that's saying a lot), I've moved on.  I suggested to him, politely, he do the same instead of the edit warring he is engaged in.  I will try to weed through Chris's personal analysis of me to locate what arguments he is actually making about the content of the article, and not the content of David Shankbone's life:
1.  There doesn't seem to be any content related arguments here; it's all about me, my motivations, and conjecture as to why I do what I do (which Chris is certain he has figured out).
2.  You take so much time talking about me, my motivations, my life, my character - so much effort, emotion and keystrokes - when you could have done the same to improve the Tara Subkoff article and added information about her acting career.  Instead, you bitch that David Shankbone doesn't do it.  Instead of expanding the article (which I did with Imitation of Christ),  you want to contract it.  And looking at your contributions Chris, you are oft-reverted for edits that you proudly proclaim on this page.  There simply is a better, more mature way to edit Wikipedia than the way you go about it.  You insert way too much emotion in your editing, with edit summaries that include "Tried to remove pathetic, inexcusable plagiarism"; "removed infuriating amounts of fan bias/opinion/hyperbole"; or when you took out alot of content and--again, as you have done here--ascribed motivations and lodged accusations at people you don't know.  This simply is not an optimal way to edit Wikipedia, and you've blocked in the past for this kind of behavior, which you've repeated above.  Keep your comments about the edits, and not the editors, and lose the emotion.  Nobody's lives are at stake here.  See WP:Personal attacks.  
3.  Imitation of Christ is not only a clothing line, but an artistic pursuit.  If you had done so much due diligence, you'd know there isn't even a "runway" at her events.  
4.  What you can photograph and what you can publish. 
5.  Chris, you are encouraged to assume good faith and, considering my extensive and high-quality body of photographic images on this site, which have improved so many articles I have lost count myself, you'd be wise to at least review the User pages of the people you lodge accusations about.
6.  Stop bitching, and edit.  You want to see the article improved, then improve it and not assign homework to other editors who themselves have improved it.  It's my choice to focus on Imitation of Christ, and you're out of line for "taking me to task" for not researching and expanding her movie career.  If you want to see it improved, then improve it yourself instead of expecting other people to do work you yourself want done.  Again, instead of the time, effort and keystrokes you spent focusing on me, you could have created a first-rate review of Tara Subkoff's acting career.  
--David Shankbone 16:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: David Shankbone's Response to the Response

message: This section is bloated -- this article is about one of the founders, not the line. It reads like a fashion review -- the tone is wrong for an encyclopedic article.--72.68.120.83 (talk) 12:49, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are not giving any concrete examples and generally I disagree that it's bloated or unencyclopedic.  It's a short, paragraph-long cited and sourced section about her line.  I reverted your edits.  --David Shankbone 23:29, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Imitation of Christ" 

message: This section had been written like a fashion review.  This is an encyclopedia; non-encyclopedic content has been removed.  This article is about one of the founders of the clothing line, not the clothing line and not a "fashion show."  Therefore the image is irrelevant -- also removed.--72.76.3.104 (talk) 11:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You were reverted.  This section is relevant to Tara Subkoff as she is the designer, and Imitation of Christ does not have its own Wikipedia page (although one may be warranted).  Until that time, policy and guideline dictates that it find a home on the page of the person who created the line.  --David Shankbone 20:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clothing Line 

message: Under WP:BLP this photo should not be used on a personal article space which presents her in a disparaging light. Nudity, even at a fashion show should not be tied to the person's article space in such a manner as this. Under these concerns this image in question is not acceptable, especially as it is a picture that does not specifically attribute the subject. This is not a matter of censorship, this is a matter of policy. The last thing this individual should expect on a Wikipedia about her is this picture. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 07:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of photo. 

message: Substituted at 07:38, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I don't know why, but it seems there was a repeated edit war from an anonymous IP address who continued to delete the sourced information that Subkoff had an acoustic neuroma. Why, I'm not sure. It's public information, and she gave an extensive interview about it to Harper's Bazaar in 2010. Why this is being removed is suspicious to me, and I'm going to restore it because there is no valid reason for it not to be included in her biography. 
--Drown Soda (talk) 07:30, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone deleting content about brain tumor? 

message: Unless I'm mistaken, the link describes TMJ as the jaw itself, not as a condition of the jaw. As such, can someone clarify what her condition was misdiagnosed as? 2600:6C5A:657F:E631:740A:7BF7:46B6:F763 (talk) 07:26, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Her symptoms had originally been diagnosed as TMJ"