Talk:Buddhism and psychology

message: Today, an IP anon added a Fryba text to the "Bibliography" of this article.  While I'm vaguely familiar with (and own) Fryba's "Art of Happiness," I did not use it in writing this article.  So I moved the newly added Fryba text to a new section called "Related texts."  I'm curious to know:
# Am I correct in assuming that there is a benefit to including in the "Bibliography" only sources that were used to write (and that are actually referenced in) the article?
# Am I correct in creating a "Related texts" section (after all, if something is on the web that is related to this topic but was not used to write this article, then it can be included in "External links")?  Is there a (more) standard WP section title for such?
Thanks for any civil, constructive feedback,
Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 19:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related texts 

message: An IP-address editor added the following today:
:In Los Angeles, the Insight Center  provides evidence-based training to the general public, psychotherapists and nurses in basic and advanced practices of mindfulness meditation and mindfulness psychotherapy. The Center offers consultations and trainings accredited by the American Psychological Association and the California Board of Behavioral Sciences as a Continuing Education Provider.
This was added prior to information on Erich Fromm, Jon Kabat-Zinn, Marsha Linehan and Albert Ellis.
I suspect the editor who added this is proud of the "Insight Center."  I suspect they are somehow affiliated with it.  I suspect the Insight Center is an excellent, wonderful, truly helpful resource.  The problem with its placement here is that:
:* There is no evidence that the Insight Center (unlike Fromm, Kabat-Zinn, Linehan and Ellis) is historically significant. 
:* There is no evidence that they do anything truly unique that is worthy of an encyclopedic entry according to the academic/scholastic community or based on a review of history.  
:* There is nothing to suggest that they should for any reason precede pioneers in psychotherapy such as Fromm and Ellis or pioneers in incorporating Buddhist mediation in psychotherapy such as Kabat-Zin ane Linehan.
:* Wikipedia has many reasons for not including advertisement – not even in the "External links" list (see WP:EL) – and this unfortunately appears to be advertisement.  In short, if every institution throughout the world that offered such a practice were to add a paragraph to themselves at the top of such a section then: (1) this article would be very long; and, (2) this article would involve constant edit warring (e.g., who goes first?).
:* Way before any person familiar with the field would even contemplate including a place like the "Insight Center," they'd include in this list the pioneering work done at U.Mass (e.g., see http://www.umassmed.edu/cfm/index.aspx); but, even that did not make this article given the prioritization of space usage.
Per WP:Consensus, I'm going to revert the above insertion of information concerning the "Insight Center."  Before an attempt is made to add it back, the matter should be discussed here and a communal resolution such be reached.  (Otherwise, such non-consensual additions will be treated as vandalism and related warnings will be placed on the originating editor's talk page.)
I deeply respect that the editor who added the above believes in the work of the "Insight Center" and I assume that they are among the thousands of such practitioners doing laudable work.  I hope the above concerns, rationally considered, are understood if not completely agreed with.  Thanks for your good works, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 02:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Insight Center" (L.A.) advert removed 

message: I suggest that the section about Chogyam Trungpa and the naropa university is deleted from the article because the section looks like an , advertisment  for Chogyam`s books and the university.--85.228.179.171 (talk) 13:03, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  , Chogyam Trungpa 

message: There is a good explanation here of the differences between Buddhism and psychotherapy:
: In Western psychotherapy, a patient is similarly led toward insight into his or her mental state in order to affect a cure. In this, the goals of Buddhism and Western psychotherapy overlap. But while there are many similarities, not all goals are shared. Assuming a commonality where fundamental differences exist can cause confusion.  
: According to books I have read and my discussions with psychoanalysts, the aim of psychoanalysis is to bring the various elements of the psyche—emotions, memories, and so forth—into harmony so that the person develops a greater cohesion of his sense of self. This is the final goal. In contrast, the aspiration in Buddhism is to rise above the very concept of self or “I.” Rather than harmonizing the disharmonious elements of the psyche so it becomes whole, and hence reifying the concept of the self, the goal according to the Buddhist teachings is to transcend the very concept of the self. This is clearly a big difference. - Tsering, Geshe Tashi (2006-11-10). Buddhist Psychology: The Foundation of Buddhist Thought (p. 2). Perseus Books Group. Kindle Edition. 
It would be helpful to work this into the article. - Dorje108 (talk) 14:31, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Western psychology, maladapted states of mind are unwholesome patterns that develop from a variety of causes, the most prevalent of which are early close relationships and unwholesome integration with the larger world. Unhealthy states of mind pertain to some trauma or mistreatment, emotional or physical. The causes are very much associated with this life only. Buddhist psychology looks at a much subtler cause: the basic inability to experience reality as it is. It is this primary unknowing that is the root of all our problems. It begins with ignorance and continues to solidify the world based on delusion. In particular, our obscured perception develops into a strong misconception that grasps a solid self. There are no easy ways to explain this primary misapprehension. - Wangmo, Marcia Dechen (2011-12-06). Confessions of a Gypsy Yogini: Experience through Mistakes (Kindle Locations 218-224). Random House Inc Clients. Kindle Edition. - Dorje108 (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Clinical psychology has focused primarily on the diagnosis and treatment of mental disease, and only recently has scientific attention turned to understanding and cultivating positive mental health. The Buddhist tradition, on the other hand, has focused for over 2,500 years on cultivating exceptional states of mental well-being as well as identifying and treating psychological problems. Mental balance and well-being: Building bridges between Buddhism and Western psychology. Wallace, B. Alan; Shapiro, Shauna L., American Psychologist, Vol 61(7), Oct 2006, 690-701 - Dorje108 (talk) 19:04, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

text: A lot of therapists come to me with an interest in how to use Buddhist psychology to enhance their work. And often they are thinking much more concretely about "should I teach my patients to meditate," "how can I use Buddhist wisdom to help my patients feel better and help them resolve their neuroses," etc. I always feel that the most important way Buddhism can impact psychotherapy is by helping the therapist. What Buddhism teaches very practically is a psychotherapeutic attitude: how to deploy psychotherapeutic attention both intrapsychically within the self and as well as interpersonally. When you are training as a psychotherapist you don't necessarily get specific help in how to deploy that kind of attention, but Buddhism is all about that. So I try to turn it back: "Here, this is for you." If you get something from it, maybe you will be able to make it come alive for your patients. Mark Epstein on Mindfulness and Psychotherapy - Dorje108 (talk) 19:18, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Differences between Buddhism and psychotherapy

message: After the expansion of the David Brazier-section by Caroline brazier, the whole section was removed as being WP:UNDUE. I object this removal; Brazier has done a careful and insightful analysis and translation of the Four Noble Truths, which is worth mentioning. I would rather speak of WP:COI than of WP:UNDUE. The original section was not added by Caroline brazier, but by me. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 04:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Brazier 

message: Today I found an article in a peer-reviewed journal that appears to be heavily based on this Wikipedia article (Buddhism and psychology) but does not properly attribute the Wikipedia article as a source (as would be expected under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License). The article in the Indian Journal of Psychiatry covers the same topics as this Wikipedia article, uses many of the same quotations, and does not add any additional conclusions. It appears to be essentially a repackaged, better written version of this Wikipedia article. I have contacted the editor of that journal to alert them of the similarity and the lack of attribution:  Porelbiencomun (talk) 01:24, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article in the Indian Journal of Psychiatry based on this Wikipedia article? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I've made some serious edits, this article needed (and still needs) a lot of work. There was very little on the actual psychological content of the Pali canon, which has now been remedied in the new section I wrote up called "Psychology in the tripitaka". The section on Abhidhamma is particularly weak, containing just a few long quotations praising the Abhidhamma. I will soon get to work on this and make a general overview (since most of this material is covered in the actual Abhidhamma wiki article, it should just be a comparative and general section). 
I have also reorganized the central section of this article, adding a subsection on the history of the contact and literature on Western psychology and Buddhism, as well as a subsection on the developments in Japanese psychology which was sorely lacking. The sections on Naropa university and on Mind and life have been removed from the Abhidhamma section and have been placed into the middle of this central section on Buddhism and psychology, because they should be more general instead of being based solely on Abhidhamma, hopefuly I will have time to add to these as well.
I have not added anything to the rest of the article, the section on clinical practice could probably use some more work but I am leaving that alone for now. Any suggestions, tips or sources? Javierfv1212 - Sabbe Satta Sukhi Hontu 19:43, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some edits 

message: While I'm not very experienced with writing or designing Wikipedia articles, as I was going through this one, it seemed that much information was included that seemed superficial to the main article. Are there other locations or pages that would provide a better place for some of this data? This is merely a thought, and I'm open to an explanation for why some of this data should be here. Thanks!Ebro23183 (talk) 05:19, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: This section of the article does not fit in what I would have imagined from the name Buddhism and Psychology. I would suggest that it has it's own WIKI article that this page would link to instead, This would help shorten and clean up the article and aid in creating a page where it is easy to learn and understand what exactly is being explained on the page. GardenVarietyChef (talk) 22:36, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psychology in Tripitaka