Talk:Justice League Unlimited

message: Can we please refrain from inserting complete recaps of everything that happens in an episode?  I know it's fun to show off what you know, but keep in mind the purpose of an encyclopedia.  It isn't to tell everybody what happens so they don't have to watch the show, or in case they miss an episode.  That's what fan sites or episode-guide sites are for.  The purpose of this article is to document what the show is is about, and describe each episode so people know which one is which.  That just takes a sentence or two, like people have been doing for most of the series. Tverbeek 17:44, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Extended plot synopses

message: The list was too long, so I started a new article. Characters Appearing in Justice League Unlimited
: Apparently, someone moved it back.  It's waaaaay too long, I say we remove it and link to the characters page. --Gillespee 03:00, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: JLU Roster

message: I don't get it. The producers say they want to have sidekicks but they have Supergirl on there?
: Supergirl's relatively important to the Cadmus storyline. Robin isn't. Doesn't explain why Nightwing isn't involved, though. He's not a sidekick, he's a solo hero that used to be a sidekick.
The reason for no Robin should be obvious... but they won't give us Nightwing, either, because essentially he's just an inferior Batman. In the Batman animated series they could tell some great stories about the two of them, but in a Justice League cartoon where Batman is one of a host of characters, Nightwing is just redundant.
: Not that I'm an expert or anything, but this is at least partially to do with the so-called "Bat-embargo" put in place by WB that won't allow any other Bat-Character (Alfred, Nightwing, or Ras al Ghul) to appear in JLU.  Something about confusing continuities or something.  No one really understands their logic, so don't bother trying.  I would like to point out, however, that if Nightwing is simply an "inferior Batman" I would place Green Arrow, Huntress, and Wildcat in that same categoryas well.  Sure, they have personality differences, but that's about it.  Wasn't Huntress even Batman's daughter pre-Crisis?  Sounds like an inferior specimen to me . . .
Shouldn't Drake have been turned into "Joker Junior" by now anyway? That should hav ehappened long ago but was overlooked long before the Bat-Embargo began. Between that and that horribly stupid "Terry is Bruce's son" plot(is Timm taking ideas from Joe Quesada now?), I don't believe Bruce Timm is in full control of his faculties anymore.
:Possibly, but that wouldn't necessarily occur in the JLU, and given the lack of new B:TAS episodes of late, well, it's understandable why it's not been shown.  Oh, and Epilogue was great. Darquis 07:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Robin

message: Has the show been canceled or run it's course?  Does anyone know if there is a fifth season in the works? -Armaced 05:46, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Season 5?

message: http://wf.toonzone.net/WF/jlu/guides/s03.php
anyone wants to add it to the page go for it -sirevil
    Ok will do The Fish 17:02, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Info on Season 5

message: How many places do you have to have the exact same information Tman?  If the information is on the bat-embargo page, it's not necessary to have the whole thing here too.--Gillespee 17:38, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bat Embargo

message: I have listed The Bat-Embargo for merger with this page.  The info on the Bat-Embargo does not require a seperate page, as the issue can be reduced into one or two paragraphs in the JLU page, be reducing a lot of the extra verbiage and the POV commentary. Vote to merge. Dyslexic agnostic 04:26, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I vote dont't merge, and the disscusion should be here, since all people who worked on this page did it here. It's not fear to us. Specially since I'm the creator and I think nobody has good faith in my person (not like i don't kinda deserve it for my authoritarian tone) The others have no idea of what's going one. They even took out of there the List of JLU characters because the page was "too big". Making it bigger with prose doesn't make sense. Since from what I understand of wikipedia policy, the most common problem with big articles too much prose, I Dunno, but to me, t'd make more sense to merge the characters list first, since lists are not a problem when it comes to sizing an article.--T for Trouble-maker 21:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

text: OK, I've merged and redirected The Bat-Embargo, still needs to be cleaned up though. Dyslexic agnostic 16:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I shrunk it a fair amount. It now stands at two paragraphs plus a line or two about the Aqua-embargo.  I'm almost thinking it's too short now.  Maybe we should throw something back in about the Joker and Ras or maybe throw something in about the Bat-Family such as Batgirl (who apparently was slated to somehow appear in Double Date until the Embargo kicked in.  But I didn't see a need for a paragraph detailing every characters dissapearance (cough, cough Hugo Strange) or endless quotes from the creators.  Feel free to add to it and let me know what you think.--Gillespee 07:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I took my own advice and added in lines about the Joker and Ra's, leaning heavily on T-Man's originals.  As it stands, I think this looks pretty good.  Comments?--Gillespee 18:54, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Only one person on the Bat-Embargo talk page voted to keep it.  I don't know T-man, it looks to me like there was an honest consensus.  But just because I believe that does not mean I want you to disappear from Wikipedia or anything like that.  Start posting again soon.--Gillespee 05:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Several people contributed to that page. And dyslexic admited he doesn't watch JLU at all in my talk page. The proposal was a joke since the begining.
Besides the cadmus saga was very hard to follow in detail. the article might help viewers that don't download the episodes to watch over and over those episodes to get that kind of details. Hugo Strange appeared almost fourteen years ago, it might be tough to recognize dr. moon  and not everybody read Batman Adventures (khaos thought this was moot since it ended a couple years ago, but he seems to forgot or ignore that roxy rocket, the second scarecrow looks, etrigan, harley's origin and the hollyday stories firt appeared on that kind of line of comics 3 to 4 years before the respective animated debuts... not very observant from his part); so as you can see, the observations in that article served those other purposes as well. You were right about the excesive quoutes, I put those there so that chaos didn't go over asking me for them. 
I agree we must save words, but not facts. No matter how trivial, here is the space to share them, the only problem is that we have to ve very careful about how to do it, because they are trivia. 
Once again I remind you, this was proposed by someone that doesn't even watcht or know anything about the league and you are fell in his game.--T for Trouble-maker 07:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger of [[The Bat-Embargo]]

message: What else needs to be done for the clean-up?  The article has been tagged since January 4.  I'm certainly willing to help with whatever people think needs to be done.
Or are we just waiting until the AfD finishes to see if we'll be adding the information again?--Gillespee 07:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up? 

message: -Dr. Polaris: you gonna wash your hands?
-Flash/Luthor: No..."because I'm evil"!
There!! did I said it first??!!!! haha. :D --T-man... ""worst vandal ever"" 01:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  QUOTE OF THE CENTURY!!: 

message: Dwayne McDuffie has gone on the record as saying that we will never see the golden shield on the back of Superman's cape and the issue of where Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker fits into continuity rarely comes up. Supergirl received a redesign because they said that the white-T design was "too 90s". The new design is described as being based on the new Supergirl from the Loeb/Churchill series with DCAU Supergirl's face and DCAU Black Canary's hair. 
Yeah, and Aquaman won't be seen again. However Flash's uniform is red and there are actually 2 presidents Bush in the Unites States, none of them with brains. Therefore esquimos make their houses out of ice.--T-man... ""worst vandal ever"" 08:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh?--Gillespee 15:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text: No, I agree, there's no connection there.  I guess the only thing is that Dwanye said them?--Gillespee 05:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's with this?: 

message: What's this about Aquaman being a key member?  As far as I can remember he was only in one episode between Initiation and Wake the Dead, Ultimen.  As Ultimen was an homage to Superfriends, I believe Aquaman was in this episode more because of his importance in Superfriends than the fact that he was taking Shayera's spot.  I've never seen any quotes from any creators to say that they were moving in the direction of Aquaman over Shayera.  This seems to be mroe fan speculation than verifiable fact to me (especially since Aquaman did appear in Wake the Dead.  I removed the passages, but I'd be willing to see them back in if whoever added it can verify it.--Gillespee 17:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I still see little proof that Aquaman, even informally, took Shayera's place on the team.  The closest to verification I have heard is that he sat in her chair (which in my mind hardly counts as verification of such.)  I'm going to mark it as needing a citation in hopes of resolving this without argument.--Gillespee 05:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aquaman as key member 

message: Removed the following:
* In the original Justice League series, the Javelin was heavily damaged, but never destroyed until it was blown up during the Thangarian invasion. By contrast, the Javelin shuttles in Justice League Unlimited are destroyed with regular frequency, starting with an entire armada of them in "The Return".
It was destroyed, not damaged, in Justice League episode 208, the second part of Maid of Honor. Simnel 01:05, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia removal 

message: Cut this... "Some fans have started petitions in an effort to reverse this restriction, or at least to convince Warner Bros. to allow the inclusion of Batman's archenemies the Scarecrow and the Riddler in the Legion of Doom, as they were members of the original Legion. In contrast, some fans feel one of Justice League Unlimited 's strengths is their showcasting more obscure characters in general such as allowing an opportunity for other characters' rogues galleries to take attention such as The Flash's."
Not to put too fine a point on it, but who cares what 'some fans' think? This is supposed to be an encyclopedic article. And a petition to allow character usage in a show which has ended is hardly worth mentioning. Simnel 12:46, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Some fans" -- Bat-Embargo 

message: Any chance it will come back on another network maybe?  Ashay8 20:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. There's a new movie in the works, but any future animation is going to be with Superboy and the Legion of Superheroes by a different team of animators led by a producer of the series (not Timm). --Happylobster 16:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sad to see this show go. 

message: Batman: The Animated Series/Animated Series Batman (character)
During the creation of of that "late" article I always stated that it was a draft or unproject. It took weeks until Bennon cleverly figured out what I was trying to do was a sandbox (which I didn't know how to do until now).
Now everyone can edit it with no time pressure and talk about what to do with the info when i's finally finished. I coul'd have created the sandbox in my own talk page, but I don't want anyone to assume I "OWN" the project. Feel free to erase, add and source stuff to improve it.--T-man, the wise 22:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Batman: The Animated Series/Animated Series Batman (character)|Animated Series Batman (character)]] sandbox

message: Is it even worth mentioning the possible conflict between Nightwing (B:TAS universe, shared with JLU) and Robin (Teen Titans) when A) it's never definitively shown which Robin appears on TT (although I agree it's Dick Grayson) and B) There would, by necessity, need to be a gap in time frames for Kid Flash and Speedy to age to be adults on JLU? Darquis 07:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, Teen Titans is not part of the main DC animated universe. - LeonWhite 03:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  JLU/Teen Titans 

message: Is there any furhter information on the cancellation of the series?  The brief mention in the article doesn't mention any reasons.
:Nothing definitive, but a Wizard Magazine article speculated that both JLU and Teen Titans were cancelled purely for monetary reasons; enough episodes of both have been produced for Warner Bros. to offer for syndication if they so desire, and they apparently decided it was unnecessary to spend money on further seasons.  Odd, since it's now been confirmed that DC and Warner Bros. now intend to produce a straight-to-DVD JL animated film, as well as a similar film or films in a more adult-oriented vein for Teen Titans--though such projects are rumored to be in jeopardy due to the lukewarm public reception given to Superman: Braniac Attacks.  Of course, since most of this is rumor and not confirmed fact, such speculation doesn't belong in the main article. -- Pennyforth 14:31, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, considering they recast people in that animated feature (Brainiac, Lex Luthor e.t.c), and also changed Lex's mannerisms/the way he acted in general, is it really a suprise it did so-so when it was released? Tallaussiebloke 08:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It was Cartoon Network that put a bullet in Titans and JLU, not Warner Animation.  As the network which ponied the money up for production, when they said 'no more' WBA's hands were tied.
The JL DTV 'New Frontier' is green lit and going.  Brainiac Attacks really didn't affect much (although is regarded as a disaster nonetheless) - a bigger influence (and motivation) was the success of the Avengers Unlimited DTV.  None of which is worth noting in the article, this is just an FYI from someone who was there.  PS -- I can't understand why people call this show a Dini/Timm show when Paul Dini did little more than write a few eps and didn't even work directly for WBA at the time -- he was on LOST for most of the run.  Dwayne McDuffie was the story editor for JLU.  Dunno why anyone thinks different - it's in the bloody credits - no Dini, producer credit for McDuffie.raltorn 3:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cancellation 

message: Dream Focus 19:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct - he's not called the Martian Manhunter in the series. CovenantD 22:09, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I've heard his full character name maybe once, but yeah, mostly just J'onn or Manhunter. Tallaussiebloke 08:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Probably common knowledge by now, but in the episode "Task Force X" he's referred to by Clock King as "J'onn J'onnz, the Martian Manhunter". 24.163.208.79 15:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The founding members list has real name for Martian Manhunter, but not others. 

message: Once all of the unsourced trivia was removed, all that was left was cast comparisons to other television shows. That is more fancruft than encyclopedic, so it's all gone now. CovenantD 23:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: Various redirects to "bat embargo" come here, but there appears to be no section relating to this. Has this been moved to another article? 23skidoo 00:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some self righteous asses decided to merge the embargo page with this page and then some other self righteous ass decided to cut down on this page and all info on the embargo was lost in the shuffle of arrogance and egotism. Seriously learn to leave well enough alone any fool could have seen that merging the articles was a bad idea. Stop voting to merge stuff that doesnt need to be merged, all you do is lose info in the shuffle. That's my 2 cents. You can try to look at the history of this page find it and copy and paste--Bushido Brown 23:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's one way to win people over to your point of view.  Not one I'd recommend, but I guess we'll see how that works for you.--Gillespee 14:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I love you, Bushido. But my love burns. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 23:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bat embargo link missing

message: This section is deleted as it goes against wikipedia rules.See ' X-Men:Evolution ' discussion page for the argument about Trivia that had held.Creating Trivia section is against the rules. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.81.213.158 (talk) 16:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: yet at the top it says only 3 series, i don't know myself which is right, just thought you ought know
Although he is featured prominently in the opening credits, and was one of the original members of the league in the previous Justice League series, the character of The Flash appears only fleetingly in the second and third season, though he has a more substantive role in the fourth and fifth seasons. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.26.104.229 (talk) 04:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: contradiction

message: A new noticeboard, Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This noticeboard has been deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard. Please disregard the above post. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard]] 

message: In the section Voice cast there seems to be missing a name for the actor who voiced the hero Atom Smasher. Does anyone know who this was?--Henry Berthelsen (talk) 19:27, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice cast missing name? 

message: Really? Ditko's Hawk and Dove appear in a single episode... but so do Jack Kirby's Mister Miracle and Big Barda and Orion appears as an actual member of the League for the first time. Captain Atom, though re-envisioned by Ditko in the 1970s for Charlton before the went belly up, was an older character not created by Ditko. The version of Captain Atom that appears is the 1980s version created by Pat Broderick and Cary Bates. I believe Ditko's Creeper appears, but none of his appearances are important. The only real justification for this line is recurrence of the Question throughout the show as an important character. The line might be expendable.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.5.144.50 (talk) 20:04, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Focus on Ditko Characters? 

message: By what definition is JLU 3 seasons long? As far as I understand the series was released on DVD in two seasons which comprises the whole series. I'm not questioning the validity of there being 3 seasons since Season 1 is suspicious twice as long as Season 2, but it seems more logical to consider Season 1 and 2 (as defined here at Wikipedia) as one Season due to the Cadmus story-arc which spans until Divided We Fall.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.128.246.133 (talk) 11:50, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 seasons? 

message: Wikipedia features several article for tv articles for many shows that had a change in title, format and opening but doesn't give them their own seperate pages. What exactly makes this show any different? IMDB counts it the same as many of the other shows that saw this over the years (New Scooby DOo Mysteries, Heathcliff and Marmaduke, The Puppy's Further Adventures, Young Justice Invasion, Fangface and Fangpuss, etc for a few examples) All of which were change ups from previous seasons but are all not afforded a separate page from their first season identidies. JLU is to JL as all of those are to their first season identities. Why does this show get special treatment?69.171.176.210 (talk) 22:02, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Does this show deserve it's own page?

message: The character lists here are a mess. There is no clear indication of which are the voice actors's names, which are the characters's codenames, and which are the characters's civilian names. Also, some civilian names are given which were never used in the show. Most confusingly, Galatea, Shifter, and Downpour have information relating to Power Girl, Jayna, and Zan which is NOT valid for these characters; they were inspired by the older characters but are not them so that civilian names may or may not be the same. --Khajidha (talk) 17:35, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character lists 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Justice League Unlimited's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "auto":
From Jeremy Piven: 
From Blu-ray: http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Downloadablefile/White_Paper_General_5th_20180216.pdf
From Moby Dick and Mighty Mightor: 
From Batman vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: 
From Aquaman: 
From Voltron (1984 TV series): 
From Harley Quinn (TV series): 
From Neon Genesis Evangelion: 
From Lego DC Super-Villains: 
From Renee Montoya: 
From Boomerang (TV network): 
From Justice League vs. the Fatal Five: https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/04/17/justice-league-vs-the-fatal-five-ep-bruce-timm-talks-the-killing-joke-jlu-canon-more-interview/
From JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (TV series): 
From ThunderCats Roar: 
From Joanne Whalley: Val Kilmer at tribute.ca
From Toonami (Indian TV channel): 
From Batman Ninja: 
From DC Animated Universe: 
From Robert Picardo: 
From The Lego Movie: 
From Harley Quinn: 
From Eric Roberts: 
From Dragon Ball Super: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 12:08, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Justice League Unlimited]]