Talk:Heresy of the Judaizers

message: Ivan III's daughter-in-law was arrested before he died, not after.  She was arrested on his orders in January 1505, and he died in October of that same year.Shield2 00:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Yelena (or Elena)

message: I have question regarding the following, which is the end of one paragraph followed by another:
: The sectarians themselves, Volotsky nicknamed zhidovomudrstvuyuschie (жидовомудрствующие, or “those who think like Jews”), thus, arbitrarily presupposing their adherence to Judaism, even though most of Skhariya’s followers had been ordinary Russians of Orthodox faith and low-ranking Orthodox clergy and had never confessed Judaism.
:The Sect of Skhariya renounced the Holy Trinity and the divine status of Jesus Christ, monasticism,ecclesiastic hierarchy, ceremonies, and even immortality of soul. Some sectarians even professed iconoclasm. Priests Denis and Aleksei were considered ideologists? of this heretical movement.''
When Volotsky nicknamed them "those who think like Jews", did he really presuppose their adherence to Judaism, or was he trying to make the point that many of their beliefs (as listed in the latter paragraph above) were more in agreement with Judaism then with Russian Orthodoxy? That is the conclusion I would be inclined to draw, based solely on the information in this article.
Aside from this, there are a number of places where this article draws conclusions and makes interpretations regarding history. These are good and useful, but should be probably be qualified along the lines of "many historians conclude that..." or "students of Russian history generally see this as a turning point that marked..." This would make it clear that Wikipedia is not doing original research or historical study, but is documenting what historians have already said.
I should add a thanks for the addition of this and several other articles on Russian history; this is certainly a subject about which I'm interested in learning more. Wesley 17:01, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Conclusions and interpretations

message: I have suspicions that Skhariya the Jew is identical to Zacharias Ghisolfi. Reasons: 
*the same time (mid-15th century)
*This article says Skariya came from Lithuania. This may be a guesswork, since some mentioned spellings of Ghisolfi do look like Lithuanian names: Guigursis, Guilgursis. 
I will try to look further. `'mikka (t) 18:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zacharias Ghisolfi 

message: The sect is frequently described as heretical. Surely this is a matter of opinion. Bhumiya (said/done) 22:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV? 

message: Prove that "zhid" wasn't offensive.  --VKokielov 17:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  prove it! 

message: According to the article, the term "Heresy of the Judaizers" is more common. I therefore suggest that the article should be moved to that lemma. DeMonsoon (talk) 05:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Wholeheartedly agree, the article as titled doesn't even come up in certain web searches, change to "Heresy of the Judaizers" is warranted. SlavicatAJE (talk) 18:42, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It probably makes sense to move the article, see for example. Mellk (talk) 13:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

text: I have moved it. This title probably appeared in results mainly due to WP:CIRCULAR. Mellk (talk) 14:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to "Heresy of the Judaizers"