Talk:Rainy Day Women Nos. 12 & 35

message: Much of this article appears to be plagiarized from http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2934 JnB987 22:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright problems?

message: "Phil Spector also implies, in the book, that Dylan was inspired to write the song after he and Spector heard it on a juke-box in a coffee shop in Los Angeles and were both "surprised to hear a song that free, that explicit"."
Why would he write a song after he heard it on a jukebox. Doesn't that imply someone else wrote the song and published it first, and he made a cover of the song?
:According to Michael Gray in The Bob Dylan Encyclopedia, the song Spector and Dylan heard was "Let's Go Get Stoned" by Ray Charles. Gray cites Robert Shelton as the source of the story, but doesn't indicate which of Shelton's books it came from. Allreet (talk) 05:58, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: What does this mean

message: First off, it may be the only song with a full brass band but it's not the only song on the album with brass. "Most likely you'll go your way and I'll go mine" also more subtley uses brass. Also, I remember reading in the VH1 100 Greatest Albums book that musicians were reportedly moved around to play unfamiliar instruments, creating the loose sound the song is known for. Anyone know if that's true?
Glassbreaker5791 (talk) 21:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instrumentation 

message: This sounds like a casual description rather than a formal one. 169.233.58.87 (talk) 01:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: Does anyone know why the song is titled "Rainy Day Women #12 & 35"? What does the title mean?
If it's known--and it's not just Mr. D being deliberately obscure and impenetrable (never!)--I think that would be worth mentioning. Everyone knows the song as "Everybody Must Get Stoned", and I can never remember just which rainy day women he's singing about... -- Narsil (talk) 05:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've always been curious about that, especially since realizing that 12 * 35 = 420, although this album was released years before the purported coining of that term in stoner culture. GuruBuckaroo (talk) 21:47, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Proverbs 27:15 - "A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike".  Dunno about the numbers. 24.4.117.25 (talk) 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Ages? – Hattrem (talk) 13:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

text: The Urban Dictionary contains the term "Rainy Day Lady," an old word for a marijuana cigarette  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.253.131.253 (talk) 00:54, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation for song title? 

message: The account on alcohol and marijuana use at the "Rainy Day" recording session does not conform with the source (Sounes's Down the Highway) on much of what's said:
* The point Sounes makes is that Dylan didn't want to record the song with "a bunch of straight people." He doesn't say Dylan mentioned pot, only that he sent out for alcohol. Thus, the sentence "The song sounds as if it is being played by musicians who are very high on marijuana, and that is possibly intentional" is off base.
* Sounes does not say that "Dylan did not touch the alcohol..." And he doesn't say that Dylan smoked or passed the pot. He simply says "joints were passed around."
* Sounes does say "some of the musicians remained completely straight" and specifically mentions Charlie McCoy as one of the non-imbibers. While Sounes does imply by all this that Dylan did get high during the session, the WP account leaves it at everyone must have gotten stoned.
Based on this, I plan to re-write the section. I'll defer, however, to anyone who has other sources to fill in what Sounes leaves up in the air. Allreet (talk) 05:50, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recording section not completely "straight" 

message: 12 x 35 = 420. This had to have been intentional. Jackass2009 (talk) 05:00, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Possible Pot Reference? 

message: I have just removed the following, and bears similarity in melody and rhythm to the German drinking song, "Wer Soll Das Bezahlen". on the grounds that it wasn't referenced, that the chances of one song not being "similar" to another song is highly unlikely, so unless there is a reference that Dylan based his song on another, it is really highly circumstantial and non-notable. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 19:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What if we would say "its structure is in the tradition of German drinking songs, and shares the basic melody of "Wer Soll Das Bezahlen"? Would that be more precise and appropriate?--Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 02:05, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If it had been referenced I would not have removed it. There's always songs that "sound similar", in fact a couple of night ago I rushed to the radio thinking this song was on - it wasn't, just another song that sounded similar. --Richhoncho (talk) 15:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: All right. I'll look around for a reference, or I'll just wait 'til one shows up. Thanks. --Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 02:10, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similarities. 

message: Version 685885702 says: '(This anecdote may be questioned because the Ray Charles song was released in April 1966, after "Rainy Day Women" was recorded.)' Though the song Let's Go Get Stoned was released as a single in April 1966, it first appeared in Charles's album Crying Time, which was released in January or February 1966. Spector and Dylan could therefore have heard it before the recording of Rainy Day Women ♯12 & 35. Sbp (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ray Charles anecdote 

message: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bob-dylan-unleashed-a-wild-ride-on-his-new-lp-and-striking-back-at-critics-20120927
Question: Do you ever worry that people interpreted your work in misguided ways? For example, some people still see "Rainy Day Women" as coded about getting high.
Answer: It doesn't surprise me that some people would see it that way. But these are people that aren't familiar with the Book of Acts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.226.180.193 (talk) 15:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book of Acts 

message: has improved this article thru sterling work. I’ve made some subsequent edits and here are some points to discuss:
 
*I found this puzzling: “Reviewing the album version, Ralph Gleason of the San Francisco Examiner welcomed the song as "comic, satirical ... with its Ma Rainey traditional blues feeling, its wild lyrics", and praised Robertson's guitar work." Because we know Robertson did not play on this track. So I deleted the last 5 words of Gleason’s quote.
:*Makes sense to remove that - I wondered if I'd made that up, but it does appear in the article - I've added a link to a clipping in the citation. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:31, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes, the page 250 reference is probably a copy and paste error on my part - in my edition it's got the note on the Johnston cover version mentioned later. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:31, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

text: *If it was, as Shelton, Gray (in Song and Dance Man III), and Sanders write, on a juke box, then surely it can't have been the album track they heard; perhaps another possibility was that they heard it on the radio rather than from a juke box? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:31, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

text: *A Cash Box discography from 1971 and Adam Woog's Ray Charles and the Birth of Soul (2005) both have a release date of January 1966 for Charles's Crying Time album. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:49, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment on re-write 

message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1rqb4b68Lk 
Could someone who knows the skill of editing Wikipedia add the 1930 song Bob Dylan was referencing The Rheumatism Blues / Gene Autry (Blues Singer 1929-1931 "Booger Rooger Saturday Nite")? Htrowsle (talk) 09:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 1930 song Bob Dylan was referencing The Rheumatism Blues / Gene Autry