Talk:European Union/Archive 5

message: Someone should add this to the article. It is immportant when considering enlargement and the EU worldwide as well as its relationship to other countries. I dont have the time nor the style of factual writing to add this but I believe its important. This is the web page http://ec.europa.eu/world/enp/index_en.htm
Yes this should be written about but I won't do it. Neighbourhood policy is important but someone else will have to do it. Pedro
:It warrants one sentence, perhaps two. It's relevant - but while this page should discuss EU policies generally/overall, it doesn't need to minutely detail each and every one. This is in essence a page summarising the EU. zoney ███ talk 18:58, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  European Neighbourhood Policy 

message: The first paragraph of the present state of the article contains the sentence [The] current legal base [of the European Union] is the Treaty of Accession 2003 which entered into force on 1 May 2004. I removed this sentence since I judged meaningless or even inaccurate, some other editor reverted to the previous version, so I launch some discussion about it.
I do not think there is a unique "legal base" for the European Union ; several treaties contributed to building it and for Slovakia, the treaty of accession is certainly the most important of them. But for the twelve older countries, the most important is certainly the Maastricht treaty (Treaty on European Union). Note that all subsequent treaties have acted by modifying this fundamental one, not by replacing it.
I shall quote the first articles of both treaties :
Art.1 of Maastricht treaty, first sentence By this treaty, the High Contracting Parties establish among themselves a European Union (...)
and
Art.1 of accession treaty : The Czech Republic, the Republic of Estonia, the Republic of Cyprus, the Republic of Latvia, the Republic of Lithuania, the Republic of Hungary, the Republic of Malta, the Republic of Poland, the Republic of Slovenia and the Slovak Republic hereby become members of the European Union and Parties to the Treaties on which the Union is founded as amended or supplemented.
As you can read on this sentence, there is a referrence to "the Treaties on which the Union is founded" (plural form). With all these elements in sight, I find it pointless to decide one of these is precisely the legal base of the European Union and strongly suggest to remove again the litigious sentence. --French Tourist 18:52, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree with you. The line about the Treaty of Accession is misleading -- and its place shouldn't be up there anyway. I suggest creating a "Legal basis" section or atleast merging the line about the Treaty of Accession on the already existing "Status" section. Either way, shouldn't be up there. In fact I'd argue that the "See EU treaties" line is a bit ugly located in the first paragraph also. Bring that one lower down too. Aris Katsaris 22:05, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Current legal base" of the union 

message: The map of the European Union was recently replaced with a newer revision (at a separate image location). As yet, no widespread discussion has taken place as to the merits of the new map over the other. I will be the first to admit that my earlier version is not without faults, but I would still prefer it to the recent revision. Please see  (the new version's talk page) and discuss / provide input. For reference, the previous version's talk page is at .
If the issue is not clear cut, a straw poll could perhaps be taken.
Add your comments / preferences or criticisms of either map at the first talk page linked above or here.
zoney ♣ talk 11:17, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: The GDP link  doesn't work. I took the numbers from  and labeled it "PPS", but do you notice that the "market prices" and "PPS" for EU-25 is the exact same number, are they getting lazy? They still haven't managed to produce the PPS numbers for the new countries?. - Jerryseinfeld 21:33, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link 

message: The motto seems to be from the constitution that hasn't yet been ratified. Should this be somehow addressed?
: Not really, the European Parliament has already accepted the motto "Unity in diversity", even as it's accepted the flag and the anthem. See European symbols. Though perhaps we should correct the translation from "United" to "Unity". Aris Katsaris 01:02, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motto 

message: *Updated GDP numbers from the IMF database, 2003, PPP 10952.736, currency 11020.113. - Jerryseinfeld 17:16, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  GDP