Talk:BT (musician)

message: This upcoming album is confirmed by Armada, but the release date that was previously added either no longer exists, or didn't exist to begin with. The release is quoted as "summer 2013" properly now. Lanceking11 (talk) 22:12, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: ASAW album release date (month) incorrectly cited and removed

message: This entire comment was removed from the introduction of this article-   "BT is known in production circles for among other things, his signature technique, the Stutter Edit™, also known as the BT stutter   and pioneering techniques that are widely adopted in other idioms of music. This technique consists of taking a micro fragment of sound and then repeating it rhythmically whilst applying varying mathematical formulas.  BT was entered into the Guinness Book of World Records utilizing this technique in 2003 for his song Somnambulist for the largest number of vocal edits in a song (6,178 edits.)"
The apple article noted says absolutely nothing about "BT Stutter."  
This is untrue it say the following : " Stutter Edit will allow DJs and electronic music performers to replicate and modify the signature BT stutter effect"
THE AUTHOR OF THE APPLE ARTICLE not BT, CLEARLY SAYS "THE SIGNATURE BT STUTTER EFFECT" Link here : http://www.apple.com/uk/pro/profiles/bt/
It should not be used as a reference to BT Stutter being a standard industry term.  The keyboard Magazine link no longer works, so not sure how that is supporting BTs production being used in other forms of music.  There is also no reference provided for the Guinness book of world records, although I know that to be true.  If any of these items are put back into the article, I will remove them if a good source is not provided.  Please discuss here and have good faith in making edits regarding this.  Fctchkr (talk) 16:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My main concern is that this article has been filled with bad information by anonymous users, and now we have two brand new users defending the edits.  If you follow this discussion thread you can see that many of these items have been discussed and removed from the article before.  Even if Apple or wired are considered large published sources that does not mean the articles as published are good sources.  There is no peer review, and I'm sure there is very little editorial review of those articles as listed.  The wired article has several factual inaccuracies, and the apple bio is a rewrite of several older bt press releases.  The California chronicle article has information lifted almost completely from the wikipedia article.  how can you say that a source that uses wikipedia information is a valid source?  Still waiting on a moderator or administrator to weigh in as my tags concerning weasel words and peacock statements were valid and should not have been removed. Fctchkr (talk) 23:29, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please review the wikipedia guidelines on verifiability.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability.  You will note that it specifically says that websites and publications that are largely promotional in nature should be questioned for verifiability.  Also, circular sourcing should be avoided.  The california chronicle lifted this straight from the wikipedia article- "a musical prodigy who had started playing piano at age 2."  This section is not well written, and it is poorly sourced.  Instead of just reverting my edits, why don't we work together and come up with an agreeable medium between what is there now, and what would work much better for the article?  As you can see, I'm trying to resolve this issue with good faith.  
I think the following items being removed/changed will make me happier with the way it reads and the weasel/peacock statements-  "BT is known in production circles for among other things, his signature technique, the Stutter Edit™ [2], also known as the BT stutter[3] and pioneering techniques that are widely adopted in other idioms of music.[4]" To something like "BT is known for his his of stutter edits.  This technique consists of taki...."  and "BT is also known for creating new modalities, techniques, instruments and proprietary software to realize his musical visions[6]. " should be changed to "BT is known for creating new techniques and instruments to realize his musical visions."  Basically the same content, better written, and it removes the biased slant that this section currently has.Fctchkr (talk) 01:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The user Mathandart has been banned from wikipedia for having multiple accounts.  I'll leave my proposed revisions shown above for another day or two to allow others to comment.  If there is no further discussion or disagreement I will make the changes on 3/3/10.  Thanks.  Fctchkr (talk) 14:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:   Please see this discussion page- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Screenshot_of_Itunes_top_single_sales_on_facebook.  The information regarding his latest single being on the top of digital sales charts will also need to be removed if a better source can not be identified.  Thanks to other more involved editors and mods weighing in on the current state of this article.  Fctchkr (talk) 16:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of top section, other sections due to bad links

message: I am going to be removing both the WikiProject Music criteria for importance notice as well as the complete rewrite tags on this article. BT's significant is beyond any notion of debate, and the articles structure is very well concieved. The other tags in this article have merit and I won't delete them. ~ ReAPsTA 
I deleted the citation and also advert tags. This morning I almost completely redid the article and have cited most of the uncited information in it.  It no longer reads as an advert, either.  Gloriamarie 18:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of Tags

message: Although I must say, though the review of BT's work is comprehensive and well thought out, it does seem a bit POV in its opinions of Movement in Still Life, among other things. In its negative appraisal of this album, it fails to cite sources of reviewers who agree with the opinion stated in the article. If the author doesn't respond, I'll take some action in making the otherwise well written biography a bit less biased.
Logalot 01:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Commentary on POV

message: Source needed for iq statement.--William sharkey 23:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0117741/bio Rafert 21:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: IQ Source Request

message: I do believe that the "BT stutter" was pioneered by kraftwerk. (Note "Boing Boom Tschak"
69.113.250.67 19:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think BT himself credited the stutter effect to them in an interview at some point. Someone with credible google-fu might be able to find the quote in question.70.35.227.160 15:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who Pioneered the BT Stutter?

message: :This entire article is POV and uncited. I would suggest a complete re-write.
::Agreed. One too many weasel words for my liking too Early Q 20:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Drasticly needs re-write

message: Does anyone know how Look got on BT's filmography list, it is a private film, and it was also added when it had a different title, and no one was supposed to know about it. --[[User:Halibut 
THyme|Halibut Thyme]], 04:33 PM, 23 September 2006.
I don't really know what you mean when you say that it was a private film that no one was supposed to know about, because I just read about it when it was previously called "Surveillance" in many BT interviews and it doesn't seem that he's trying to hide it. I think you've got your facts wrong here. It seems to be a major movie release, from BT's comments. Gloriamarie 17:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who added Look

message: Why is the contents are not in the article? It must be in there not to be confused with the reader.
Keenrich 22:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I've made the table of contents visible now. -- Bovineone 04:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's the contents? 

message: I will begin a complete re-write next week. Please add discussion items to this page for things that you believe should be included. This page seems like a advertisement for BT, and as much of a fan as I am, it's no place for an encyclopedia. The re-write will only consist of factual items (such as collaborations and facts found in existing databases). Any other suggestions, or if you'd like to help me, please, discuss! Trodaikid1983 23:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: I have noticed that the information about the techniques Brian uses are inaccurate and misleading.
*The information in the current revision on time correction is an extremely limited (and not altogether accurate) perspective, and is unclear.  I think technical information explaining time correction constitutes its own page.  I feel the term "time correction" has become widely accepted in the industry as the name of this technique.
*The given explanation of the "BT stutter" effect is also misleading and incomplete, and could also possibly warrant its own page, however, as far as I know, the "BT stutter" is not widely accepted as a term.
*The explanation of granular synthesis is unclear and incomplete.  Time correction and his stutter effect could certainly be argued to be signature techniques of his, however I do not know of any reason that granular synthesis should be considered one.  He also does not exclusively use REplay PLAYer for his granular processing.
Joemoser 09:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy of technical information 

message: In the DivX Interview, BT hints at a Summer 2008 release for the upcoming dancefloor-oriented album, although he also states that he hasn't finished writing it yet. 81.208.161.148
:Christ, any updated info on this? 219.89.147.7 (talk) 09:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upcoming Album 

message: I heard somewhere that BT was robbed again (As of 2007), does anyone have any information or hearings of this? If it is true
Based on things he himself has put on his site and in his forum, he was offering $20,000 for any info related to the robbery. . This ad also appeared in magazines, such as Remix and Keyboard. Insomaniac117 01:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the references to this in the article, as there was no citation to this, and the above link does not work. If someone can provide sources for that feel free to add it back in, but unsourced it shouldn't be in the article. Cndrblck (talk) 02:09, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: BT Robbed

message: Most of the sources and citations in this article are from promotional sites, from that fact this person happens to use their equipment or in regard to his various PR agencies. 
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P.s I have scant idea who this person is, but the article is obviously horrible and lop sided. Celebrity pages really are the bane of Wikipedia and obviously the banal resort of the weak minded. 195.92.168.164 05:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you do not know who the person is, it's maybe then stretching a bit to say whether the article is neutral or not. Whether the sources are neutral or from equipment sites does not really matter; the only requirement for Wikipedia is that sources be reliable and third-party. Editorials, which are completely non-neutral, are often cited for sources. This article must be neutral, but cited sources do not have to be. Finally, I restored some of what you said after another editor blanked it, but most of it was a commentary on celebrities, society, and Wikipedia editors in general that is probably best left to your own userpage and not an actual indvidual Wikipedia talk page. :) --Gloriamarie (talk) 23:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV issues. 

message: I've made a few edits to improve the quality, accuracy, and sourcing of this section of the article. I'm not exactly a wikipedia veteran though, just a concerned fan of the artist, so I'd appreciate it if anyone would like to touch it up a little if necessary.
-Paedansu (talk) 19:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abduction of Kaia "Kiki" Nui Transeau 

message: The article currently jumps back and forth between referring to the subject as "BT" and "Transeau". In accordance with the WP:Manual of Style, we should use one throughout the article. As the title of the article is "BT", it makes most sense to use BT. I will go through and edit the article to refer to BT consistently. If anyone believes there is an argument to be made for using Transeau instead please comment here. Cndrblck (talk) 02:59, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  BT vs. Transeau in article 

message: According to IMDB http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0117741/, he was born October 4, 1970, in Washington D.C, not 1971 in Rockville, Maryland as this article suggests. Can anyone else find another source to back this up?
--71.81.7.130 (talk) 20:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct DOB? 

message: This artcile is a disgrace, the referencing is exccedling poor, the article is full of trivia, suggest trimming back to what can be verified from reliable sources and removing all fancruft and trivia. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:   I've redone the introduction and the early life section to remove wordiness and unsourced/opinion information.  I also removed the entire live performance section as that is all trivia and not relevant to this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fctchkr (talk • contribs) 17:12, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  There are many cite needed tags and problems with this article that have been listed for 9-12 months.  Nobody has added any sources for this information or provided any details that would allow this info to stay in the article.  For this reason I am now removing the information from the article.  If you have valid sources for this information, please add the information back with proper source citations.  Thanks! Fctchkr (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 18:13, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  State of article 

message: In the section on BT's singles and EPs, when click on "Dreaming", instead of being directed to the Dreaming (BT Song) page, you are redirected right back to the main BT page.  Is there a page for the song?  What happened to it? Lprlr43 (talk) 01:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  it was redirected back to the Artist site for being a song stub.  If you read the wikisong project requirements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Songs you will see that most of the BT songs that have articles are not following that projects guidelines.  "Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song. Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; permanent stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album."  Here is the history for the redirected site- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dreaming_%28BT_song%29&action=history  Fctchkr (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 20:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to the Dreaming page? 

message: Under the Scores section, it says BT did the complete score for The Fast and the Furious.  This is fiction, Brian Tyler did the score. http://www.briantyler.com/credits.html
It's not even clear if BT's song, Nocturnal Transmission, is part of the soundtrack.  http://www.amazon.com/Fast-Furious-Various-Artists/dp/B00005K9QY
Quite frankly the entire list of film scores looks to be a work of exaggeration and non-truths.
-Stink Rat 98.110.167.87 (talk) 14:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for posting in here before editing the actual article.  What is happening is that you are confusing two different movies.  There is a movie called 'Fast and Furious' released in 2009 that Brian Tyler did the score for.  Brian Tyler also did the score for the Toky drift movie in the FAF franchise.  The original movie in this series is titled "The Fast and The Furious," released in 2001.  That is the one mentioned in the article.  While I would agree that a lot of people put bad information into this article, and I don't particularly care for the fansite that used to support his film scores, most of it is accurate.  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0232500/fullcredits#cast  Fctchkr (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 15:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake.  Thanks for checking and explaining the point.  Cheers.  -Stink Rat 98.110.167.87 (talk) 01:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scores section incorrect 

message: Considering there's already a separate BT discography article, it seems redundant to line list the discography in this article too? synthfiend (talk) 05:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography vs Discography page 

message: At this point, is it alright to create a page for the band All Hail the Silence? Lacon432 (talk) 03:26, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  All Hail the Silence 

message: This notice is to disclose that I, User:Bernie44, was paid to revise this entry. I claim no ownership over it, and I feel my edits have greatly improved the entry. Whether paid or not, I always aim to contribute positively to Wikipedia and to edit within Wikipedia's guidelines, with properly sourced, neutral, constructive edits. I hope my work is judged based on those standards.--Bernie44 (talk) 00:02, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Paid editing disclosure