Talk:Right of revolution

message: :While not exactly a right of revolution, Germany also has a "when all else fails" provision in Article 20 Paragraph 4 of its constitution:
::All Germans shall have the right to resist any person seeking to abolish this constitutional order, if no other remedy is available.
:The Constitution of Greece also has a similar clause, called the "Final Provision" (Greek: Ακροτελεύτιο άρθρο):
::Observance of the constitution is entrusted to the patriotism70.150.94.194 22:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Good work. Too bad that stuff wasn't removed earlier. Dave Runger(t)⁄(c) 18:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: German constitution

message: The "Right of revolution" only quoted US examples. I have added a quote from the German constitution. Hope it fits. I think we should also add other international examples. --Schoelle 07:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh - stupid me - should have read this talk page better, first ... sorry for the noise, the problem is that the German page for "Widerstandsrecht" (right to resist) links to this page, which is obviously wrong. --Schoelle 07:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germany 

message: The introduction states:
"Doctrines of the right of revolution differ on several dimensions:
# Whether the right is owned and exercised individually or collectively.
# Whether the acquisition of a right to cast off a government also creates a duty to do so.
# Whether the right is subject to restrictive conditions before it becomes effective, such as that the right exists only in the face of tyrannical government.
# Whether the right is a result of natural law or of positive law."
Can someone point to the sourcing for this four pointed idea?  SaltyBoatr (talk) 00:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Could be WP:OR, perhaps you should tag it as such. LK (talk) 04:17, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourcing request

message: The article should probably mention that the New Testament phrase render unto Caesar, apparently formulated by Jesus himself, has often been used to oppose any existing right to revolution. Many Jews wanted to rebel against Roman authorities, but Jesus told them that it was better for them to pay their taxes and not resist authorities, and that in this way they would be rendering a better service to God as well. This Gospel teaching partly explains why so many Christians were not really in favour of joining revolutionary movements during the 18th century  Enlightenment era. ADM (talk) 14:57, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Render unto Caesar

message: Anyone want to take a wack at rewriting this mess, but still retaining all the meaning? 
While you're at it, the lead could stand to be expanded as well. LK (talk) 15:29, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have given it a go. Feel free to change it if it is unsatisfactory. Unfortunately it shortened the lead, but I am not sure what else to expand it with. Perhaps the clarification that the reasons and justifications of this belief varies greatly, and/or some basic concise history of the theory? --Saddhiyama (talk) 16:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible first sentence. 

message: Is there evidence that mentioning a right of revolution in a constitution is likely to produce this effect? —Darxus (talk) 17:36, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "...the destabilizing effect such a guarantee would likely produce." 

message: Irrelevant?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.75.129 (talk) 00:40, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double Predestination 

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message: Historians and Legal Scholars,
Since the 2020 U.S. election's outcome and the violent attack on the U.S. capitol on January 6th, 2021, politicians and everyday Americans have unsubtly advocated for their supposed right to overthrow the government violently. Americans are making excuses for repeat attacks against government institutions, politicians, and election workers. Conversations on news stations and at the dinner table frequently focus on this topic. I am disturbed by how angry people are getting and the casualness with which extreme accusations are being made. It is surprising that this topic is not settled in popular discourse. Please expand this page to document high-profile legal opinions, court cases, and revolution attempts based on a belief that a violent revolution today would be or could be legal. LkeYHOBSTorItEwA (talk) 20:04, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-January 6th U.S. Capitol Attack 

message: Hi all,
I think El Salvador's approach to the right to insurrection as a constitutional one is worth mentioning here, but I don't know if it would be best as a section or if it could be the basis for a new article about the legal recognition of rights to insurrection. https://web.archive.org/web/20230517051139/https://www.courthousenews.com/extraordinary-events-in-el-salvador/ Chemistmenace (talk) 05:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constitutional right to insurrection in El Salvador