Talk:See of Sardis

message: Did the Byzantines reconquer the city from the Arabs, only to lose it again to the Seljuks?Delmlsfan 18:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of June 29, 2007, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: Fail - It is my opinion that the prose for this particular article is not particularly clear.  In describing Sardis historically, the text tends to jump from time period to time period, crisscrossing dates in an almost idiosyncratic fashion.  I would recommend organizing the narrative of the article in linear chronological fashion.
:2. Factually accurate?: Pass - Copious reference material has been utilized.
:3. Broad in coverage?: Fail - The list of bishops/archbishops is incomplete.  In particular, what of the claim on the talk page that there is currently an incumbent to the Titular See of Sarids…was that ever followed up on, because if there is an incumbent, it belongs in this article.  If not, that should be addressed on the talk page.
:4. Neutral point of view?: Pass - no significant problems
:5. Article stability? Neither - there was a significant amount of edits immediately before the nomination for GA status, but it has been relatively stable subsequently.  Perhaps a longer period of stability would be beneficial to see if other editors could add to the topic, particularly since the main effort was in the development of citations.
:6. Images?: Pass - image meets the criteria
Here's a comment in Jan. 2010 comment from drop-in visitor: Caption for a painting of a man at right begins with the word 'Clement'. But the art (an El Greco) is actually of the apostle Paul.  Presumably no painter chose to make a portrait of such a minor Clement.  But in the absence of one, is it better to plug in El Greco's Paul, just for a dash of color? I think it looks out of place.  And the 'Clement' caption doesn't fit the 'Paul' subject very well, except by making a stretch.  
Also the caption doesn't footnote any evidence backing the claim that (a) the Clement of Philippians isn't the same Clement as the Roman pope.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.7.183.128 (talk) 23:28, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no incumbent. I noted in the intro how long the see has been vacant depending on who you ask. The list is fundamentally incomplete, as there are a paucity of sources for this. I am waiting for a copy of LeQuien but even his list is fragmentary and unlikely to make this one seem substantially "complete". I'll see what I can do about the history section. Savidan 22:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is no current incumbent, then that is one thing.  Additionally, while there are significant periods of time that this see was vacant, something should be done in the bishops list to identify when the see is vacant (that we know), when there could have been an incumbent but we don't know who it was or when they reigned, or who is the see's occupant.  That's more of what I was getting at when I stated that I felt the list was "incomplete": that there isn't sufficient detail to determine what is/isn't going on when and where.  Hopefully, LeQuien will be helpfull in filling in the chronological gaps. -- jackturner3 13:38, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed "good article" nomination

message: It is clear POV that the Angel of the Church in Revelation was its bishop.  While some Christian denominations accept that, it has been the subject of long debate in divinity departments as to whether the Angel is a bishop, a collective or the supernatural guardian of the church.  Yet here is it stated as fact that the angel is the bishop.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.141.23 (talk) 16:14, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Angel = Bishop 

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