Talk:The Maid Freed from the Gallows

message: Just a question about the lyrics to the end of the Zepplin version; where are they sourced from?  I have always heard it as "SHE is swinging from the gallows pole" (i.e. the sister) and understood that treachery to be why the hangman is laughing so hard.  I just listened to it again and still here "she is" rather than "see you".  Any thoughts?  Lordjim13 (talk) 17:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've listened at it again, and to me, it seems that the first time (at 2:42) sounds more like "see you swinging", and the second time (at 2:50) sounds more like "she's swinging". But most of the versions I got by searching for "Gallows pole lyrics" with Google only say "see you swinging". A r m y 1 9 8 7 ! ! !  18:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  "She is swinging" makes no narrative sense - why would the sister be swinging from the gallows pole? The whole idea is that the hangman accepted the bribe (sex with the sister) intended to free the condemned man, and than executed the condemned man anyway. bd2412 T 00:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard it again, this time from the CD, and (as well as noticing that the times cited above were wrong of about ten seconds, I had heard about a bug with VBR in LAME which confuses many players) for some reason I clearly heard "see you swinging". But I think it's more a problem of "the human brain interpret things whichever way it wants" than a compression artifact of MP3. That said, I'm putting a Resolved tag at the top. --A r m y 1 9 8 7 ! ! !  11:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyrics

message: I think this has worked out well - in fact, I think we have a potential featured article on our hands! bd2412 T 00:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely has potential.  Goldfritha 03:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smashing 

message: Should Derry Gaol really redirect here?  It would be preferable for Derry Gaol--the actual place--to have an article (or at least a stub) at that location. Redlinks (or now former redlinks) meant to point to the place now point to this song. Robert K S 19:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would be suitable.  A note up top that the song is in this article would be wise.   Goldfritha 00:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Derry Gaol redirect

message: Please check out Wikipedia:Peer review/The Maid Freed from the Gallows/archive1. Cheers! bd2412 T 13:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just re-reading the peer review and noted a comment about Child's thoughts.  The place to find them would be The English and Scottish Popular Ballads by Francis Child.  I just checked my library's catalogue and some local libraries have it.  But I'd thought I mention it here just in case someone can beat me to the library.  Goldfritha 03:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have gotten my hands on the copy and put in Child's comments directly from the book. Goldfritha 02:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review 

message: The revision to  make the lede more accessible removed the phrase "Child ballad number 95".  
I have put it back in, and no revision should take it out.
Removing it is like altering a sentence that says "The Pastoral is Beethoven's Sixth Symphony" to say "The Pastoral is the sixth among the symphonies Beethoven wrote" -- it is removing information (and making Wikipedia look uninformed).  This is not merely the 95th ballad listed in the Child collection, it is "Child ballad number 95" just as the Pastoral is "Beethoven's Sixth Symphony."  Goldfritha 15:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, how about two sentences? Would this do? The Maid Freed from the Gallows is one of many titles of a centuries-old folk song about a condemned pleading for someone to buy their freedom from the executioner. In the collection of ballads compiled by Francis James Child, it is Child ballad number 95. The ballad... Any good? Telsa (talk) 00:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me.  Goldfritha 02:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Child ballad number 95

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replies: text: Taken care of. bd2412 T 01:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:GallowsPole-Leadbelly.jpg

message: After some minor copy editing, here are my comments:
*The entire "'Gallows Pole' and the era of recorded music" section is unreferenced.
*Use a standard method of quoting song lyrics.
*References need standard formatting. I would suggest , , etc. You also haven't used  tags, so, for example, there are two occurrences of the "Francis James Child, The English and Scottish Popular Ballads, v 2, p 346, Dover Publications, New York 1965" ref, instead of one with "a" and "b" links.
*Wikification is needed throughout. Just run through and link some more relevant things.
Kakofonous (talk) 00:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm failing this article because the issues I mentioned were not attended to in a seven day period. When they have been addressed, feel free to nominate it again. Thanks for the work you've done so far, Kakofonous (talk) 03:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I need to scare up some of these actual print sources. Thanks, though. bd2412 T 04:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA on hold comments 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
* "Child2" :
** Francis James Child, The English and Scottish Popular Ballads, v 2, p 346, Dover Publications, New York 1965.
** Francis James Child, The English and Scottish Popular Ballads, v 2, p 347-50, Dover Publications, New York 1965.
DumZiBoT (talk) 02:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

message: The current version of the article states that the idea of the convict being male was a unique innovation of the Led Zeppelin version.  In fact, this is the case in Dylan's "Seven Curses" and in the version of "Ana Thea" performed by Dayle Stanley (and, I would assume, Judy Collins).  It is probably a very, very old variant.Sojambi Pinola (talk) 17:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Male gender of convict is NOT unique to Led Zeppelin

message: I simply don't know how to add citations, and I don't have time right now.  I found information on the Dylan/Collins variants in the book "Revolution in the air: the songs of Bob Dylan 1957-1973" by Clinton Heylin, p 135-136.  This is now mentioned in two places in the article.
The Dayle Stanley information comes from the actual album, which is Squire Records # SQ-33002.  This rendition is currently up on youtube.Sojambi Pinola (talk) 18:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Feher Anna/Ana Thea needs citation

message: There is enough material on the Led Zeppelin version to support a separate article. I propose moving this material to Gallows Pole (Led Zeppelin) and reducing the material on the current page to a brief summary with a "see main" template directed to the new page. This will also allow the new page to contain categories not appropriate for this page. Thoughts? bd2412 T 19:05, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed breakout of Led Zeppelin version 

message: While I know that fans see everything through rose-tinted glasses I find the claim that some mediocre band from the 1970s has produced "the most famous version" of this ballad highly problematic. Also that it is "the most familiar version today." According to who? Please provide third-source citations to prove this, otherwise I request it be removed. Xenomorph erotica (talk) 21:29, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone Sure Loves Led Zeppelin In This Article 

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message: ... but I had always understood that it was her (i.e. the sister) swinging from the gallows pole in the last verse.  That of course takes the song in an even darker direction.  Is there an authoritative source?  Search engine finds no authoritative version. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 03:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probably a case of misheard lyrics.... 

message: It's far from clear from the article to which extent the many versions share the melody. For some versions, only lyrics may be known, but it must be possible to say more.--Nø (talk) 09:44, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melody 

message: [moved from Composition section where it was added 6/04/2020]:
—Ojorojo (talk) 15:40, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gerlach 

message: Hi !
(english is not my native language : I'm french)
I'm waiting in my cold cell when the bell begins to chime
Reflecting on my past life and it doesn't have much time
Cos at 5 o'clock they take me to the Gallows Pole
The sands of time for me are running low
Those four lines are the first lines of "Hallowed_Be_Thy_Name_(song)" from Iron Maiden
As I was searching the meaning of "Gallows Pole", I found this WP page so I would suggest this page should mention this song.
Hallowed Be Thy Name by Iron Maiden at the Beast Over Hammersmith Performance 1982. 
--90.108.155.64 (talk) 18:24, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hallowed Be Thy Name 

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