Talk:Spear of Destiny

message: First it says the Spear has been in the Vatican for the last century, then that it was at Vienna during the Anschluss.  Which is it?
There were several alleged spears. Much of the text of this page was taken (without attribution) from my website, which summarizes the history. ArgentLA 23:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction on Whereabouts 

message: Get some titles of documents that describe this object or various predecessors or imitators, and quote them. Even balderdash leaves interesting historical traces. See Shroud of Turin. There are no links to relics here, for a start. Too loose and lazy... Wetman 00:31, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get some documentation

message: The Spear of Destiny in popular culture section needs to be trimmed way down. There doesn't need to be a mention of every single book or video game or Japanese cartoon that mentions the spear.--Cuchullain 06:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Spear in Popular Culture

message: I added a verify tage because it isn;t enough to simply throw a long list of books (two separate lists in fact, what's up with that?) and fictional references and realllly scary looking looking websites and call them references. The article needs to say who said what about thte legend and/or the separate physical articles when it says it. Talking about Atlantis and Hitler with the spear and how it wsa a story and then supposedly all these various people had it (says who?) and then suddenly out of nowhere we are talking about an actual real life artifact without even doing a basic summary explaining what that's about beforehand, so that these separate topics are all run together in a hodge podge. It needs to start out by giving an overview of the legend, then to explain that apparently some people think they have a real spear, but like many holy relics it's unverifiable and more than one exists... what's the canonicity of this thing in the Catholic church? What do the Protestants think? Clearly spell out what's mainstream and what's wild and wooly occult conspiracy. Clear out some of the ridiculous websites and fiction references (OK, I already did some of that, but it needs a lot more). Come up with an outline and treat it as an English paper if nothing else and rewrite, expand, edit, remove and make it so it wouldn;t get an F as incoherent muddle if it was turned in to a junior high school teacher for a grade. DreamGuy 20:46, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is a mess

message: whats with the ramble about hitler and antarctica? it has to be one of the most riduculous things i've seen about, even if hitler was into the occult Xcomradex 02:46, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: erm, a little farfetched?

message: I've read about the purported spear (or lance or whatever) for years but I've never seen a useful photograph of it. I guess I'm thinking mostly about the one in Vienna, which seems to be the one most accessible to the public. Is there perhaps a photo from Dr. Feather's researches? Could it be used on Wikipedia? --Michael K. Smith 03:15, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images? 

message: I didn't add the label, but I am confused... what IS supposed to be the difference between this article and Holy Lance?  The heading text seems to indicate that this is supposed to be about the legend and that about the alleged relic; but even so, the legend is about the relic; and in any case about half of this article (the 'Authenticity' and 'Location' sections) is about the relic.  The division into 'Spear of Destiny' and 'Holy Lance' seems artificial, as both are simply names for the same thing.  Can anyone clearly explain what is happening here? TSP 03:58, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Merge notice has now been on this article for a week without anyone objecting.  Am I to understand that no-one objects to the merge?  If not, can someone explain what the difference between the two articles is? TSP 21:13, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: I have removed the supposed quotation from Einhard's Life of Charlemagne - I read through my Penguin Classics translation of the Vita Caroli Magni and could find no reference to any such spear or lance. Please feel free to reinsert the quotation if it can be cited (chapter and verse) in another source. I should like to read about any documentation that deals with Charlemagne's possession of the relic of the holy lance. --Iacobus 02:16, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual Errors 

message: The following special pleading and generalities have been moved here: "As told in the Holy Bible, a spear was used during the crucifixion of Christ. Because it was the dawn of the sabbath, the legs of those crucified were broken to hasten death, but Christ was dead already. The spear was used by the one called Longinus to pierce Christ's side and from the wound came blood and water. As such weapons were commonly issued to Roman infantry (see: pilum), the contemporary relic known as the Holy Lance is commonly considered to be a different artifact. " All confidently reported as fact, without any reference to the sources. --Wetman 09:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Generalities

message: It's been suggested at the top of the page for as long as I can remember that the articles should be merged. I think we should finally agree whether or not the articles should be merged. Put your three ~s in the appropriate line.
Yes:
*ARBlackwood
*Lambiam
*Alexvickers
*Drew1369
*Str1977 (smile back) 07:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we merge Holy Lance with Spear of Destiny?