Talk:Active Denial System

message: Changed this page a whole lot. Let me know what you think. --Twinxor 04:17, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lots of changes 

message: The Wired article stated that the microwaves could not penetrate a thin barrier of metal. This is likely why in some tests, subjects were asked to remove glasses and metal from their person. Specifically they mention tin foil, but there are likely things more see-through than tin foil, or stronger, or more flexible that can do the same thing, no? Obviously the US Army can build full suits against an ADS otherwise they couldn't use it nearly as effectively. But my question is, how difficult would it be for anyone to build an ADS proof getup? Do the waves round corners, like light waves do, or will a shield in front of unprotected body parts help?  The example in the Wired article is that if one were to cover ones entire body in tin foil, it wouldn't work if there were any small gaps. Tin foil rips, but would any readily available metallic lined fabrics (or plastics) resist the microwaves? 128.101.70.97 17:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Metal

message: The term "Microwave Weapons" referring specifically to ADS is becoming popularized in the latest media on the subject.  ADS would only be one of many possible fits for that term, so perhaps just installing a disambiguation page with links to ADS and masers and "nonlethal force" and such would be the route to take to catch queries on this term.  I don't think it merits a full article of its own. (71.233.165.69 17:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, a disambig page sounds reasonable for that. Twinxor t 04:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add "Microwave Weapons" Redirect? 

message: I doubt that this would be very effective in real combat, or even against a determined mob. I've taken baths at a temperature of 130 degrees Farenheit (which is a crazy thing to do, by the way -- don't try it) and it's not really that painful. It's uncomfortable: yes. It's a burning sensation: yes. It feels like being on fire: maybe. But if I were fighting for my country or ideology, it wouldn't be nearly painful enough to stop me. Perhaps my experience is not typical. Or perhaps the temperature reached when this weapon is used is actually higher. Just my two cents.... --N Shar 03:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with this comparison has to do with the method of heating. In the bath, only the outer layer is exposed. This layer is also exposed to a cooler layer underneath. Your pumping blood actually works as a coolant when exposed to hot water. However, in this case every water molecule within the active range (I guess 3 mm or so since that's the wavelength) is going to be heated up to 55 C. Its far quicker and far more effective in terms of heat transfer. -Hellkyte —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.170.212.5 (talk • contribs) 20:33, 3 April 2007
"...they penetrate the skin to a depth of less than 1/64 of an inch (0.4 mm),[11] which is where the nerve endings are located." 72.220.125.86 (talk) 04:46, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  130 degrees F? 

message: In the current write up, the phrase "melt an entire human being" is used in the context of the possibility of a hot spot forming on a target of this weapon. Am I the only person who thinks this sounds both wrong and silly? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.16.133.184 (talk) 23:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: different degrees of heat are more or less painful depending on the method of delivery. So, while 130 degrees of heat may not feel that bad in a bath.  It would be pretty painful in a bath of oil. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.184.52.69 (talk) 23:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How can you melt an entire human being? 

message: Footnote #1 gives no explanation of the "goodbye effect" (what is this?) that it accompanies. 86.142.240.102 21:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The goodbye effect is a colloqialism describing how test subjects run away from the beam. DeknMike (talk) 14:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Goodbye effect" 

message: In this field, the Pentagone has recently declassified a ten years old report, you could find it on pdf here:
http://blog.wired.com/defense/files/Bioeffects_of_Selected_Non-Lethal_Weapons.pdf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.48.228.84 (talk) 18:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  bioeffects 

message: Currently, the opening paragraph ends with:
"ADS has also been present at various public events in the United States. It is unclear if the government has sought any authorization to deploy the weapon at home or did so without public input.[5]"
Note [5] is the following link: 
Having listened to the NPR story twice, I can find no substantiation in it of the two sentences above. Unless somebody can find a source, I'll remove the two sentences in a day or two. --Dcfleck (talk) 16:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. --Dcfleck (talk) 01:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsubstantiated claims of use 

message: The further reading section should contain a couple of "books, articles, or other publications that is recommended to readers as further reading, useful background, or sources of further information.". But this section looks more like a huge list of references without actually being cited in the text. I don't think that is the idea of a Further reading section; therefore I removed the list from the article and placed it here. The links should really be used as references to specific statements in the article rather than as an indiscriminate list of abstracts like search-engine results pages. See also: WP:LAYOUT#Further reading, WP:EL, WP:NOTREPOSITORY. Han-Kwang (t) 06:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further reading 

message: If this is a torture device, then tear gas is a chemical weapon of mass destruction by that same logic.
Also, when this device is operated as intended, you can run away -- in fact, that's the whole point. Not so with torture.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.144.241.102 (talk) 23:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: America has proven a bucket of water and a towel can be used for torture. If someone has the ability to set one up in your home and use it against you, then they already have positive control of both you and your home. At this point, a bucket of water and a towel are much more economical forms of torture, assuming they don't just knee cap you then start on your fingers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.3.61.80 (talk) 11:29, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torture? Tear gas? 

message: Taking into account, that the water cannon have already proven to be an effective though occasionally unsafe riot control tool, development of such an expensive and complicated system for only such a use doesn't seem plausible to some critics.
Well, "some critics" didn't seem to do too much critical thinking.  A water cannon requires significant amounts water, which cannot necessarily be replenished in all areas, or would require withdrawal from the scene to replenish; the ADS runs on onboard electrical power.  A water cannon-equipped vehicle is larger and much heavier and cannot necessarily traverse all roads; the ADS is fitted to a HMMWV and is much lighter.  A water cannon leaves lots of water in its wake, which can be detrimental to the surroundings and ongoing situation; once the ADS is off, there is are no stray or splashed waves hanging around (which some apparently consider a nefarious feature of the ADS). Shawn D. (talk) 15:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Plausible for Crowd Control?  Who Thinks That? 

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message: I rewrote most of the effect section, and added in a new "possible long-term effects" section.  I think all of my additions are sourced and I don't think I slaughtered anyone's sacred cows in the process, but please let me know if I inadvertently removed something.  I also removed talk section that was only a discussion on the topic, and not about the article at all. Pro crast in a tor (talk) 22:41, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added long-term effects section 

message: Depending on how deep it can penetrate the earth this might be a great way in preparing Agricultural land for planting. Heat the earth to kill off nematodes.
Also to help prevent citrus from freezes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.101.133.173 (talk) 03:43, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible Agricultural uses 

message: Why not wrap yourself in mylar or aluminum foil? Stops microvaves, might work here, too?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.43.97.199 (talk) 04:25, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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message: Propose deleting the entire "Concepts for use" section. It feels borderline promotional for this system (case scenarios, depreciation of other techniques...) whilst bringing little in the terms of encyclopaedic value that would not have been covered in other sections. — kashmīrī TALK 00:47, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete Concepts for use 

message: I have reverted  by MaxEnt (talk;  out of courtesy). I don't find any references to the effects of radiowaves on sufferers from psoriasis at the article on that topic, except for the beneficial effects of UV treatment. It is an intriguing idea, but unless there are references on the topic, I'd say it is WP:OR. --papageno (talk) 02:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted "skin ulcers etc"