Talk:Paranoia Agent

message: I think the analysis should be left in, because I'm not someone that can look into things or analyze anime episodes in terms of emotions and symbolism. For us people (I can't be the only one) JUST having an encyclopedia article isn't fully indicative of the "effect" of the anime or any hidden meanings. I would whole heartedly approve of a section called "Possible analysis" if you hard believers are stuck on having a clear cut description of the anime, but don't think any idea of what the anime is like should be in there. And if someone wants to respond, don't try and smooth talk a response, be concise and specific without saying of how other articles don't need them or any other unimportant arguments. Also, all the "I removed this because I felt like it shouldn't be there" is bullshit because one person will say it, and others of the same mindset will repeat it , without thinking that someone who wants an understanding of the anime could use it.
:Per your request, to be concise, I think you are missing the point on what an encyclopedia should be. There are plenty of venues on the internet who's format is conducive to analysis of such subjects. Wikipedia is not one of them. 67.188.58.243 (talk) 01:21, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Not looking deep enough

message: This section states that there are parallels between the phases of the moon and the progress of the story. Ooookay... what are they? And what does Tsukiko's name meaning "moon child" have to do with it? And please provide some sources. Elvrum 02:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Phases of the Moon

message: The crows in the Harumi/Maria episode (episode 3) are symbolic of her "schizophrenia" (actually dissociative identity disorder).  The growing number of crows are evocative of the crow-like karasu tengu and specifically tengu kakushi (literally "hidden by a tengu"), an obsolete Japanese term for dementia or schizophrenia.
Here we go again: what do crows have to do with Harumi's schizophrenia if she's not even schizophrenic? In any case, should whatever they represent in Double Lips also pertain to Happy Family Planning? This is just too ridiculous to be posted without a source. Deleted. Elvrum 02:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigh.  Okay, I'll put this out slowly for you.  Read the first paragraph on the schizophrenia page before you say Hiromi doesn't have it.  Over the course of the episode she develops this disease probably as a result of the stress she has in dealing with the dissociative identity disorder and the marriage.  This is made obvious in the final scene of the episode where she actually sees Maria calling her on the cell, grabbing her and fighting with her.  She BELIEVES Maria is there pulling her from both sides, she sees it, despite the fact that it is revealed to the audience that nothing is there in reality.  This is NOT dissociative identity disorder, this is full blown schizophrenia.  The crows are a sort of double euntaundra in this episode, meaning both schizophrenia and death.  As pointed out in the post above yours, the phrase for "hidden by a crow" is a japanese term for schizophrenia.  Also, the growing number of crows symbolise the death of Hirmoi's Hiromi personality as she tries to do away with Maria completly.  The path she chooses ends up backfiring on her and instead of killing Maria she fuels Maria's rage and Maria goes from being neutral to being malevolent, actually trying to destroy Haromi now.  The first time this happens is the first time a crow is seen in the episode, when on the boat ride with her fiance a crow lands and it is then that Haromi finds out Maria took over and Haromi never even knew about it.  This is also probably the time her schizophrenia began to develop.  As the episode goes on Maria gains more and more control over Haromi, and an occurance of one or more crows is almost always accompanied by Maria forcibly taking control from Haromi.  In Happy Family Planning the crows symbolise death.  Although no one dies in episode three, the slow death of the Haromi persona is symbolised by the crows.--Terrabull 20:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, Dr. Terrabull. If I ever need a expert opinion on my own mental health I'll be sure to make an appointment with you. If I need a lengthy original research analysis of Paranoia Agent, I'll see you on aNiMeFoRuMz.cO.jP. (^_~) <-- There's my anime face. Elvrum 21:11, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What does your mental health have to do with this?  I fail to see the relavence to this disscusion.  As for what I posted above, according to original research what I posted is NOT original research.  It is an analysis of the plot of episode three of Paranoia Agent.  None of this is unverifiable, none of it is a personal opinion, none of it is a personal agenda.  None of it is something that you can't figure out on your own by watching the show.  It is a key point to understanding the episode "Happy Family Planning" however, and as such should be pointed out.  You're response doesn't make any sense.  This is not original research, it is source-based research.  As described in the first section of original research.--Terrabull 05:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact.  Original research is not a prohibition against drawing conclusions based on source material.  --L33tminion (talk) 06:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although you might stick to saying that Haromi is delusional.  There are other causes of delusion than schizophrenia.  --L33tminion (talk) 06:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Crows

message: Hello there, I was thinking that at least some of the characters should be listed on the main page, and described in brief. People who want further detail, or information on minor characters, can go to the Paranoia Agent Characters page if they want.
The questions are: 1) which characters should be listed on the main page; and 2) where would this listing go?
I hope you agree with my move of the episode list to its new position, coming before the analysis section.
--Tachikoma 18:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Summary style the recurring ones back in, in the characters section, under the current Main article... line. A couple of paragraphs 'll be more than enough. --zippedmartin 07:58, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character questions 

message: I've noticed some parallels between Detective Ikari and Shinji Ikari. After Detective Ikari is fired, he feels a sense of not belonging, of not having a place in society, a feeling similar to one Shinji has all the time. Also, his wife, while never mentioned by name, looks kind of like a middle-aged version of Yui (imho). Most anime has some kind of Evangelion reference, and this might be it. --Ximm 07:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning Detective Ikari 

message: Is this a real job? A Character Designer? That seems like the easiest thing in the world.. I've been doing it for free forever!
*Character designers often have heavy work under sever deadlines and have to deal with constant feedback and demands from their supervisors. Don't be so flippant about stuff you know nothing about!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.191.169.132 (talk) 20:27, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tsukiko's job 

message: Each of the episodes currently has its own page. Thats way beyond acceptable; in fact, thats pratically the center of WP:AFD territory. This entire page needs to be admited to the Intensive Care Unit for an overhaul, and fast. TomStar81 01:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most shows have an article per episode on Wikipedia. See List of Arrested Development episodes for instance. I agree however that the article needs intensive care. Elvrum 02:14, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Episodes

message: There doesn't seem to be much in the article about that aspect of the show Hackwrench 05:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little Slugger set me free 

message: I think that it would also be good to include the fact that a reader of this article can download some of the tracks for the Paranoia Agent soundtrack at this website: http://www.teslakite.com/freemp3s/e/. It is actually a website featuring some of the work of Susumu Hirasawa, other than Paranoia Agent material, but it might be nice to add that link anyway.
: I second this link being added.  Upon reviewing the site, the organization appears to be legitimate. Cadwal 21:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soundtrack Download 

message: I moved these sections off of the main page for now because they are not yet fully polished.
Phases of the Moon only talks about observations with no real link between them.  The baseball bat section is only partially true.  Everyone believes that Maniwa is correct about the bat being a holy sword and used to banish lies.  People tend to forget or not realise the reason that the bat didn't work against Lil' Slugger at the end of the series.  The bat the father carried around was not the bat that dispelled the lies he saw through.  The bat instead protected those lies.  Tsukiko called to Lil' Slugger because he was the only thing she ever got away with.  Her father accepted the lie, and even gave the lie strength and life by carrying that bat around.  The straight bat is no symbol of truth, it is simply one of the elements that gave birth to Lil' Slugger.  You will notice that in the first episode the first thing she tells the officers, is that he had a golden bat.--Terrabull 00:01, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debatable sections 

message: I've gone through the series' main article, the episode articles, and the characters article changing "rollerblades" to "inline skates." The Wikipedia page on Rollerblades itself notes that it's a common mistake to use the brand name Rollerblades. And the english dub of the show uses the term inline skates. As always with Wikipedia, I hope I haven't overstepped my bounds in the interest of being overly correct. --Boradis 09:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me.  The japanese word for "Inline skates" is 'rollerblado', but the sub also lists as "Inline skates".--Terrabull 18:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Maniwa does say rollerblades in the dub of the Final Episode, but I agree that inline skates is a better term. Elvrum 20:06, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My background is in editing news articles using AP style, so I haven't encountered this kind of issue before, where the generic word in another language is also an American brand name, and possibly more correct. It's always a learning experience here. --Boradis 08:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole rollerblades/inline skates debate (which I only really heard about recently in the general public) seems a bit unnecessary.  There are many examples of this, such as using the word "kleenex" (intentionally lowercase) instead of "facial tissue", "coke" instead of "soda" or "soft drink", or even "aspirin" instead of "acetylsalicylic acid" (Bayer owns the trademark).  When something becomes so identified with a brand name, it ends up becoming synonymous and indistinguishable from the actual generic name.  There's an article regarding this here: List of generic and genericized trademarks. DestradoZero 06:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inline skates, not Rollerblades 

message: Hope i'm not doing anything wrong by asking something on here: The article says the show criticizes the harsh conditions of animators in Japan. What harsh conditions are these? (Yeah, I don't know. Even though I watch anime. SHAME!)
I think many Japanese animators complain about too low wages, etc.--70.179.177.142 00:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on criticism 

message: Guys, don't use "Shonen Bat" primairly - It gets low google rate hits and is not commonly used. Lil Slugger is the way to go. WhisperToMe 06:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But „Sounen Bat“ is the original name of that character. „Lil' Slugger“ is only dubbed USA version name. I prefer the original one. And in ANN writted that more people sow the subbed (not dubbed) anime version ( – press the „details“ link near „User Ratings“). Extate 11:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lil Slugger

message: As has been pointed out by another user (and by the "additional citations needed" tag that has been added to the article), this entry is in dire need of proper footnotes and real, not original, research. (Not that the original research isn't correct; it just needs proper corroboration.) In the "Social Commentary" section, for example, an editor claims that Kon is "critically acclaimed" for his use of commentary on various social phenomena in Japan. This is no doubt true, but this claim needs verification via a proper citation so that others do not view this assertation as suspect. (I added a "citation needed" tag there. I have not added a footnote yet but will when I find a suitable source.) To my dismay, I have found such citation problems, as well as rampant use of "weasel words" and "peacock words," in many articles on some of the smartest (and, in my opinion, most entertaining) anime shows and movies out there. What a shame... Let's try to clean up this article (and, perhaps, for the ambitious, also the articles for the other works of Kon). For those who are invested in this article and Kon's work in general, this is something that we must do. And, who knows -- maybe, one day (with the help of some Wiki-lobbying, of course) this article might be sound enough to be a featured article on this site's main page.   Cheers!   ask123 03:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Problems / Some Weasel Words and Peacocking Too 

message: I have removed part of Mellow Maromi because it was a copyright violation. Please check your other episode summaries too, in particular the licensing terms if you use content originally from another website. Thanks. Shinobu 06:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio 

message: No one cares about the symbolism you find or the analysis you have. That is original research. If you want to include that information in this article, find a credible source and use the source's analysis. ask123 21:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbolism/Analysis/Social Commentary 

message: Anybody got any WP:V for a reception section. Surely there must be some reviews etc out there.
perfectblue (talk) 12:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can check ANN, AnimeOnDVD, and T.H.E.M. Anime Reviews. You may also luck up and find some more on the Meta Anime Review Project, which attempted to be the Rotten Tomatoes of anime reviews, but I believe is dead now. --Farix (Talk) 13:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: Don't have time to do this myself, but thought I'd post the link here in case someone else was up to the task. Variety's blog has a great interview with Satoshi Kon covering all kinds of stuff: . Doceirias (talk) 20:20, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production/thematic expansion 

message: 13 episodes is not a "miniseries" They don't call anime miniseries regardless of the length. They only call it what it is and in this case it would be TV anime. Gune (talk) 20:08, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Not A Miniseries

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