Talk:Championship Auto Racing Teams

message: "Another team notable for its loyalty was Dale Coyne Racing, one of the world's oldest continually operating open wheel teams."  Seriously? Scuderia Ferrari - 1950, McLaren - 1966, Penske Racing - 1968, Tyrell/BAR/Honda/Brawn/Mercedes - 1970, Williams - 1976, Foyt Enterprises - 1979,  Toleman/Benetton/Renault/Lotus - 1981, Minardi/Scuderia Toro Rosso - 1985, Then Coyne sets up shop in 1986.  Does being the 9th oldest team in a pretty small community really merit mentioning?
--SEWalk (talk) 01:16, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characterization of [[Dale Coyne Racing]] 

message: This sentence: "However with Champ Car on the rapid rise, it seems that in the very near future it will have no competition whatsoever." is rather silly and belittles other varieties of motorsports of many types. 
Competition from what? Will CHAMP become so popular that WRC is abandoned from lack of interest? On a wider point, is there even any truth in the statement? I deleted it anyway for now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.156.60.176 (talk) 19:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening paragraph 

message: *I propose to move this article to "Champ Car" - the official title of both the car and the series. "Champcar" all one word is neither as widely used nor is it correct terminology for the car or series. Two words. --FCYTravis 08:01, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move

message: *Is there a reason why this article should not be called "Champ Car World Series", the full name of the circuit? AEMoreira042281 20:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Champ Car is the sanctioning body of the current Champ Car World Series, so it could probably go either way.  For example, the IRL Indy Car series is listed under Indy racing league.  The most important thing we need to do is split up USAC championship, CART and CCWS into separate articles.  Right now, it says "Champ Car" was founded in 1979, which IMO is completely ridiculous.  Its either 1909 or 2004.--RA64 00:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Another move

message: Silly trivia: it's said the one difference between CART & the Taliban is, CART has 3 Americans. (None of them are quick enough to win in F1, unlike a Canadian I could name...)  
Trekphiler
 08:21, 24 December 2005
:Too bad he hasn't won since... (Assuming you mean the younger) Counterfit 04:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what happens when you can't keep the team manager & the drivers out of the BAR. (Sorry.)  Trekphiler
 18:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: CART before the...

message: "The performance superiority of the Formula One machines was first demonstrated in 1989"
Obvious fanboy statement. I got a real laugh out of that. The example cited was an Indy type car on spec tires. Might as well have been an Indy type car vs. a F1 running on the rims. Terrible comparison anyway and the examples farther down show a much closer performance between the two types.
All comparisons of this nature will change from year to year as restrictions on performance to make the venues safer are imposed. Then there is the racing venue itself. You would expect an F1 car to be faster on a road course then a World Rally Championship car. Likewise a F1 car would likely not finish the Dakar Rally. In the same vein, if the contest was Indy car vs. F1 at Texas Motor Speedway, the Indy cars would win. Same would be true in reverse if the contest was held at Monaco GP.
Then you have to factor in the driver. I would argue that F1 attracts the best drivers at the top of their game. Trying to say a specific car is faster then another type when driven by a faster driver is not a logical conclusion.
I think my Ford pickup has performance superiority to both F1 and Indy cars because when I can carry a ton of bricks and a passenger while listening to the radio.<sic>
172.56.6.150 (talk) 17:10, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparison with F1 cars

message: Methonal burns with an invisible flame.  As such, it can be vary dangerous.  I think a special section is needed to mention that and the precautions taken by safety crews.  For instance, if you see a driver get out and start rolling around, he or she is presumed to be on fire.--Will 07:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it's 'methanol' & the facts about methanol should not be in this article, the precautions taken in ChampCar should be Danlibbo 23:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Section Needed: Methonal Fuel can be dangerous 

message: User 207.162.229.12 added "Champcar Hot News, Rumors, and Commentary" to the external link section.  Since that section was strictly links to offical sites for the ChampCar series and races, I removed the link and brought it here for discussion.
It does not help that the user in question has been warned many times about vandalism and NPOV. Will (Talk - contribs) 19:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to lean to limiting external links to offical sites only. Will (Talk - contribs) 01:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do people believe this link belongs? 

message: The phrase in question is "The Formula 1 grooved tyres are actually of a higher performance than the Champ Car tyres due to competition. The tyre manufacturers fight to produce a better tyre than the rival manufacturer in Formula 1, therefore making the grooved tyres of higher performance than Champ Car tyres."
Not only does that sound pro-F1 (or possibly anti-Champ Car), but it's also a little out dated.  Does anyone else think it should be removed?Mustang6172 08:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken a pass at copyediting this section; it's better, I think, but it still has a few problems. -- Mikeblas 14:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: F1 had only one tire manufacturer (Bridgestone) in 2008, so "tire manufacturer competition" is not relevant for 2008 season; but I subjectively agree the superior performance of grooved F1 tires, as the technology for F1 is always the top-of-the-line, and an F1 team has 10 times the budget a ChampCar team has for feedbacks to tire manufacturer. Also slicks will be back in 2009 F1 season, and they were tested in Jerez track last month. This month's F1 Racing magazine suggests that with slick tires (such as the ones in ChampCar) F1 cars will be about 2.5 second faster in a lap, and tests in Jerez partially confirmed this. 212.154.125.30 (talk) 11:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparison with F1 POV

message: In the list of champions, the series is listed the the official full name at the time. I was fine with the listings by sanctioning body, but if we are going to do it this way, we need to get the names right, which is somewhat difficult.
I know in 2003, it was not Fedex championship series, it was CART Champ Car World series presented by bridgestone, or something like that.
I think 1997, and maybe later were PPG CART World Series, or something--RA64 13:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Series Names

message: This article seems to contradict itself. The "Specifications" section lists the weight at 1385 pounds, while the "Comparison" section says the weight, with driver, is 1543 pounds. The rule book I have (from 2001) says the minimum weight is 1550 pounds at superspeedway courses, and 1525 pounds at other courses. Which is correct? Is it a matter of comparing dry, fuel-empty, and race-ready weights? -- Mikeblas 15:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Ed! -- Mikeblas 19:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Weight?

message: I'm hearing rumors that Champ Car will file for bankruptcy in 48 hours to facilitate a merger with the IRL.  The forum I discovered this on claimed Autoracing1 as the source, but I can't access their rumor page.  Does anyone have some kind of information to confirm this?Mustang6172 (talk) 05:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Very Hot Rumor

message: See: http://www.indycar.com/news/story.php?story_id=10557  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.175.18.130 (talk) 23:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Amazingly little info available though apart from that deal done and Long Beach going ahead as last Champ Car event...--Amedeo Felix (talk) 22:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FYI - Champ Car merger into IRL deal signed 

message: I would like to add a link to the 7 post shaker article in the see also list (or another area if thats more appropriate). Please let me know if this is ok and I will add it sometime soon. Thanks!!Rooney McFaddy (talk) 17:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 7 post shaker add

message: Surely its time to move the name back to CART.
CART/Champcar as an entity is finished and for most of its life, it was known as CART.  In fact, for 24 years of its 28 years it was known as CART.  ManfromDelmonte (talk) 14:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed Ronstew (talk) 15:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

text: The way I see it, CART existed from 1979 to 2003, then it went bankrupt and its assets were purchased by a company called OWRS which went on to change its name to Champ Car.  If anything, I think this article should be split because it describes two different companies.  The series didn't just change its name, it changed governing bodies.Mustang6172 (talk) 05:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is anyone else in favour of this move.  I think it makes the most sense. ManfromDelmonte (talk) 22:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move - 2008

message: I came here, completely ignorant about racing, only as a result of a news article I had read.  I've read the whole article, which is mainly a history, and remain somewhat confused.  The article is essentially a history of the infighting in the racing world, yet there is only a single mention of NASCAR.  Now I think that NASCAR uses a different kind of car than this kind of racing, but it's simply not clear.  There were a couple of references to something called an "open wheel" car, which I guess is this car's type, but that's not made very clear, I think.
The point is, the article comes across as written by very knowledgeable editors, but I'm constantly feeling like there are assumptions being made about what the reader knows.  And not everyone who comes here is a fan.  Please try to educate those of us who are ignorant.  Thanks. Unschool (talk) 17:25, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please think of the non-fans 

message: My sense of history is that "the split" started in 1978 with the White Paper.  Before that, there was one "Indy" sanctioning body, and after the incorporation of CART, there were two.  The fact is that there were two (okay, three if you count the Championship Racing League?) until 2008.  Therefore, what is called "split" in this article is not "THE SPLIT" but rather the formation of the IRL out of the Indy/USAC bones.  Therefore, I'm proposing that we have a few naming changes of the sections in this article. Twohlford (talk) 19:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Split" 

message: The CART logo would be good, since for most of it's history it was known as CART. 76.66.196.218 (talk) 05:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was consensus against move.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  CART logo 

message: I feel the current article needs to be updated with more of a focus on the history of CART pre-split.  Right now the article is almost entirely focused on post-1995 CART and Champ Car.Froo (talk) 12:16, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  CART History 

message: I have been working on an updated nav box, similar to the two for USAC, for indycar/cart/ccws. The link is here. Let me know what you think or the proper way to roll this out. I feel as an unbiased group we should format all of the AOWR sanctioning body navigational information into a similar format to each other. This is mainly (IMO) to ease navigation through all off the years and information in a smart repeatable way so people (not just fans but anyone) curious about finding more knowledge can find everything they are looking for.Ehall317 (talk) 01:21, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Nav Box 

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message: OK, we have pictures of a March, a Lola, a Reynard, and a Panoz; one driver each of Brazil, the UK, Canada, the US, and Mexico; and one Honda, two Cosworth, one Mercedes, one Chevrolet.
Not to pat myself on the back, but I think it's a good mix. :-)  Open to changes, of course. Knoper (talk) 03:45, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures