Talk:Edmund Blackadder, Lord Blackadder

message: Im a little confused, We see this Blackadders house very often in the series, but in Back and fourth, when the time machine lands in elizabethen time, his house appears to be exeedigly diffrent.
Id just like an explanation from sommone, thanks. (:
:His house doesn't appear in Back And Forth; the Elizabathan scenes are set in Queenie's court (which, with a big budget, also looks very different, but the real Elizabeth did move palaces) Daibhid C (talk) 17:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  His house 

message: Where is it stated that Edmund's a Baron? As far as I remember, he's only ever referred to as Lord Blackadder. Daibhid C (talk) 17:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Lord" is a style by which Barons (and occasionally higher peers too) are referred to in England DBD 00:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He could equally be a Viscount, Earl or even Marquess - he'd still be called 'Lord' in ordinary speech. Jess Cully (talk) 12:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "and occasionally higher peers too" DBD 12:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do think this page is incorrectly titled. There is no evidence he is "Baron Blackadder", he is invariable called "Lord Edmund Blackadder" and "Lord Blackadder". Calling him a Baron is inventing his title. The title of the page should be either "Edmund, Lord Blackadder" or "Lord Edmund Blackadder". Remember this is TV, so the normal rules of peerage do not apply.--UpDown (talk) 13:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is he ever called Lord Edmund Blackadder? I thought he was Edmund and Lord Blackadder – being a substantive Lord? DBD 13:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: British media is not known for always getting styles right. I believe he is referred to as Lord Edmund Blackadder. But, regardless the page should not be at its current title. It should be at "Edmund, Lord Blackadder".--UpDown (talk) 18:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just so you know, he's never referred to as "Lord Edmund Blackadder". Proteus (Talk) 22:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thankyou Proteus, it's as I thought then. Okay, then the subject of this article is a man whose name is Edmund Blackadder and who has a peerage called Blackadder. Now, by that ticket, since he has a surname, he would be at Edmund Blackadder, Xth Peer Blackadder. However, we do not know his ordinal, so we obviously can't include that. So there is only his rank in the peerage to deduce. Now, since he is called Lord Blackadder, I think we can safely rule out Duke and Marquess, whose designations always include "of", and very seldom are a surname. I believe we can also rule out a Scottish Lordship of Parliament or the like, so we're down to Earl, Viscount and Baron, of which solely Baron bears any formal title including Lord (The Rt Hon The Lord Blackadder). That is my reasoning for the page's current title, and it all fits with WP:PEER's guidelines. DBD 22:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be forgetting this man is fictional!! Rules like WP:PEER do not apply to fictional characters. You cannot apply the strict rules of the peerage, especially when we don't even know what he is, to a fictional person. He is known as Lord Blackadder, so that's what should be in the article title. All your above comments, ruling out Marquess and Scottish Lordship, are assumption and not for us to decide. His name is Edmund, he's Lord Blackadder so the article should be at Edmund, Lord Blackadder.--UpDown (talk) 08:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, fair enough. Meet in the middle at his name is Edmund Blackaffer, he's Lord Blakcadder, Edmund Blackadder, Lord Blackadder, so it's at least somewhat resemblant of the WP:PEER rules? DBD 11:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Edmund Blackadder, Lord Blackadder sounds fair. Jess Cully (talk) 16:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Still think it would be better without first Blackadder, but in the spirit of comprimise, yeah thats fine.--UpDown (talk) 18:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

text: His title is mentioned by Wise Woman in "Bells", thus I do not remember what it was. But he had a title. So as Lord Percy Percy (as mentioned in "Money"- Blackadder introduced him to bishop by naming his title.Boemund (talk) 17:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Baron?