Talk:House of Valois

message: I know this is a stupid question, but I need to ask it. How does one pronounce 'Valois'?
Knyght27 14:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I speak a fair bit of French, even if affected, but I say "Val-wah", but in a more seamless fashion. Charles 01:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I pronounce it the French way, "Val-wah," and it is my name, so I can't be wrong. ;) PatrickCV (talk) 20:42, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep.  The IPA link is at the top of the article.  Both vowels are "ah" (Open front unrounded vowel)DavidRF (talk) 00:09, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You pronounce the oi of Valois as you do that of François, (do not pronounce the final *s*).  Another example of oi known to Anglos is Loire.  Frania W. (talk) 12:15, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: I became curious reading the article.  The Valois line was a much closer branch from the senior Capet line than either the Valois-Orléans or Valois-Angoulême branches were from the senior Valois line.  Any ideas why they went through the trouble of renaming the House for the Valois kings rather than simply calling it "Capet-Valois"?  Or on the other hand, why didn't the Orleans and Angouleme branches get full house status?  Thanks. DavidRF (talk) 00:13, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Answering my own question.  I see the Capet line itself is just an extension of the Robertian line (not even a Cadet Branch).  So, I think these are just quirks of history as to where royal houses are separated from each other. DavidRF (talk) 06:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello.GoodDay there is no such thing as a house called Lancaster-Valois.No offence but you have no proof.sorry.The Treaty of Troyes didnt make Henry V king of France it made him heir by bieng adopted to Charles VI and marrying his daughter.Henry therefore who now appeared as the legitimate Heir was succeding to the Valois and not the Plantagement.Henry in the treaty Abondend his claim through Edward III as bieng the legitimate and rightful king of France by allowing Charles and recognizing Charles as king.Furthermore this in effect has to be interpeted as "GIVING" The legitimacy of kingship to the valois king Charles.Henry now had a double-whammy bieng adopted to the valois house by an international treaty and by bieng Lancastrian by birth.As you know already Henry V failed to outlive Charles so Henry VI became heir for the four months difference before bieng king of France.Henry VI was therefore a Valois-Lancastrian king of France and England by beccoming the king of france through the recognition of the Valios house bieng the legitimate rulers of France.If you happen to read any English or French epigrams on Henry VI when he was in infancy he was commented on bieng blessed with a dual-monarchy and bieng of descent through his father and mother of Saint Louis.Notice my spech by saying Henry V.This is because as earlier said,Henry appeared as a Valois heir to the kingdom of France by the Treaty of Troyes not through his Plantagement claim.I hope I didnt confuse you lol and to add this is not original research although it is important to do so in terms of treaties,I have internet links to books that say so.Just ask for them.In the case of the dissinheritence of the dauphine,it was Illegal in the treaty itself but outside the treaty it was legal.Because Charles refused a courts summon in 1420 and usurped legal authority from Charles VI which was treason,He was found guilty for Lese-Majesty BY a lit-de-justice in 1421 rendering him incapable of succestion LEGALY.By 1421 it could be safely said since his legitimacy ended through a lit-de-justice he had no right to succeded Charles VI.Googbye.--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 13:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

text: You creation of Valois-Lancaster, smacks of original research. Please don't go there. GoodDay (talk) 19:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus, its just wrong.  Even if the inheritance came from the mother, the name of the royal house comes from the father.  Examples are rare in French history due to the Salic Law, but there are several examples in English history.  New house names with Henry II, Edward VII from their fathers despite inheriting the throne from their mothers. DavidRF (talk) 01:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Sorry but you have to remember Henry V was adopted Charles VI and Isebaue of Bravia and appeared as the valois Heir to CharleS VI thus abandining his plantagement claim.Your statement of it bieng wrong is wrong.Dont take it as offence.I will provide you reference.
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http://books.google.com/books?id=Qv9PlGCLy4YC&pg=PA235&dq=the+legality+of+the+treaty+of+troyes
--HENRY V OF ENGLAND (talk) 19:35, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

text: On May 25th, I mentioned that Valois-Lancaster was original research, since then that post of mine has been deleted, why is that?. GoodDay (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Would you kindly restore it, please? GoodDay (talk) 19:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I've restored a similiar post, there. Please don't delete my posts again, on public talk-pages. GoodDay (talk) 20:00, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Alternatively, this Capet-Valois is correct, but time has dictated that people should prefer the shorthand, Valois, as is often done with Valois-Angouleme, which should more precisely be Valois-Orleans-Angouleme, since it is a cadet branch of the House of Valois-Orleans. At other instances, such as Burgundy and Anjou, which share their name with other distinct houses, the term Capetian House of Burgundy is used to distinguish the earlier dynasty from the Valois House of Burgundy; the term Capetian House of Anjou is used to distinguish the descendants of Louis VIII from both the House of Plantagenet and the Valois House of Anjou. Emerson 07 (talk) 01:58, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion on why the new house was created