Talk:Gay bar

message: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Dover Castle. Johnleemk | Talk 14:04, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Dover Castle]] merged here 

message: Moved this to talk:
""The Gay Bar" is a local grassroots movement at UC Berkeley that advocates "spending all [their] money at the gay bar" and "taking [you] to a gay bar" as well as "sodomy."
Jokestress 19:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs published source 

message: I've added slightly to the introduction and rewritten the "Characteristics" section (and renamed it). My aim was to broaden the definition of a gay bar and to point out that the variations pretty much mirror the variations of "straight" bars. I've also tried to soften the emphasis on music and beef up the information about sex on the premises venues. I've also tidied up various bits and pieces and hopefully made the article more comprehensive. 
I still think that the list of "notable gay nighclubs" is next to useless. It's very North American centred. I would have thought that a Wikipedia link should be a minimum requirement for inclusion here. 
I also think that the list of Gay DJs is superfluous and again suggests that gay bars are all about music. Again, I'd have thought that Wikipedia links should be a minimum requirement, although I don't really see the point of this list at all. 
--Wastekiller 15:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: *Entrepreneur.com: 10 Businesses Facing Extinction in 10 Years September 19, 2007
I removed this link because it no longer leads to the original article. Rather, it takes you to an anti-spyware software sales page. Greenmnm69 05:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

message: I've reverted the whole section on the "disappearance" of gay bars; it's largely POV, and is sourced only to the Entrepreneur article, whose source in turn is an Orlando Sentinel article specifically about the Orlando, Florida area. It's an interesting point, and I suspect there is some truth in it, but we need to be better-sourced and less sweeping with a major assertion like that.
The Sentinel article can be found here (and doubtless on the newspaper's own site too):
http://www.conxity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=203
By the way, I managed to open the Entrepreneur article safely in Safari, if anyone's interested in reading it. Barnabypage (talk) 11:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite - it's the nature of the bar business, not just the gay one. Many fail and a few last. Barnabypage (talk) 18:17, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Disappearance of gay bars

message: I added a note to :File:Barzilay Venue in Tel Aviv Israel.jpg saying Appearing in this image in no way acknowledges any sexual orientation and have been reverted several times by User:Emerson7. Due to several recent gay suicides from harassment, I feel this note is very important so we can try and prevent more suicides, as by not implying that the men in this image are gay/bisexual. No one in this image gave Wikipedia permission to show them in a gay bar...yes I know we don't need permission, and they are in a public place, but in this situation I feel privacy and safety should outweigh anything else. Thoughts? CTJF83 chat 01:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia has a well-established policy on disclaimers of any kind: WP:NODISCLAIMERS...if their identity or safety is a concern the image should be removed. Casascius♠ (talk) 04:33, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally to all the points made by WP:NODISCLAIMERS, anyone inclined to harass someone because their photo appears in a gay-related Wikipedia article is highly unlikely to be deterred by a patently disingenuous disclaimer anyway. Barnabypage (talk) 11:10, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: besides being utterly contrary to wp policy, there are literally tens of thousands of images on wikipedia that show individuals in such public places. it is not the business of this publication--or most any other for that matter--to guard one's public behaviour. if there's a specific issue with a specific image, there are other avenues for redress. --emerson7 17:50, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like an WP:IAR case to me. Tens of thousands of images that show people in places where they might not want evidence? I find that unlikely. I await further input. CTJF83 chat 21:16, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

text: This Wikimedia Commons guideline may be relevant: Commons:Photographs of identifiable people. Quigley (talk) 00:11, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, good link. CTJF83 chat 23:50, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image note 

message: I usually visit Grand Cafe Odeon in Zurich and its clear that Odeon is not a Gay Bar. Theres no reference about Odeon was ever used as Gays or lesbians of Zurich.--Patagonian (talk) 18:17, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: i've been going since 15 years. and i'm not the only one as evidenced here and here. --emerson7 22:27, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Lonely Planet, it's mixed. AV3000 (talk) 00:44, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: indeed, which means it completely falls within the scope of this article. --emerson7 00:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Cafe Odeon

message: § Modern era says
:Julius is New York City's oldest continuously operating gay bar and is possibly the oldest continuously operating gay bar in the world.
But I see claims for the Candlelight Lounge, later renamed Candle Bar (emphasis added):
*DaveCullen.com's Gay History -- How We Got Here, in a post by "Jack too" dated March 29, 2007:
:Saturday, June 28th [...] Nothing seemed unusual for a Saturday night.  What we had seen, of course, was the beginning of the second night of the Stonewall riots.  The crowd we saw had been in front of the Stonewall bar, though we didn't realize that it was at that particular part of the street. 
:[...]
:The following Wednesday night I stopped in the Candlelight (then the only gay bar on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, and a legally licensed bar – it is the oldest continuously operating gay bar in New York City, by the way) and someone asked me if I had heard about what happened in the Village. 
*On Tumblr, under a photo titled 7112Julius's Bar at Waverly Place & West 10th Street in Greenwich Village, dated April 13, 2012, and posted by "Jerome":
:Julius is a tavern in the New York City Greenwich Village neighborhood. It is often called the oldest continuously operating gay bar in New York; however, its management was actively unwilling to operate as such and harassed gay customers until 1966. In fact, the distinction of being the longest continuously running gay in New York belongs to the Candle Bar (formerly the Candlelight Lounge) at 309 Amsterdam Avenue, which was openly operating as a gay bar with a gay staff before April 1966, while the Julius bar was enforcing its policy of harassing and ejecting gay men. The Candle Bar has continued operating as a gay establishment uninterruptedly to the present day.
I'm not going to try to adjudicate between these. Instead, I'm posting a pointer on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies, under Oldest gay bar in NYC?.
To discuss this with me, please  me. Thnidu (talk) 02:24, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest in NYC? 

message: Cafe Odeon is not listed under notable gay bars. There is no context for its inclusion in the section. If it can be shown to have some relevance to the section and/or article, please add context to the caption. 108.86.234.251 (talk) 22:49, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Context needed for the image of Cafe Odeon in Zurich 

message: -- you've marked this as 1969 thru 2004?  Didn't it open in 1964 and become a gay bar in 1997? valereee (talk) 18:42, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for catching this. Sorry, years were intended for another entry. Corrected. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:44, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three Sisters 

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message: After the Lexington Bar, a lesbian bar in the Mission District of San Francisco, closed in 2014, a lot of articles came out from LGBT sources discussing the fact that lesbian bars are disappearing across the U.S. (possibly due to financial issues). As such it seems important to have a list of bars that specifically cater to lesbians on this page, since there are so few of them. What do you all think of adding a section under "Gay bars" that says "Lesbian bars" so that we can keep track of those?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gobonkersnow (talk • contribs) 23:11, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add a list of specifically lesbian bars? 

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message: This article discussed drag bars as one kind of LGBT bar but a lot of cross-dressers would deny that they are transgender (T) or any of the other letters. The definition should therefore be "LGBT or transvestite" to avoid making that implication. Username for attention (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 06:17, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this revert by TedEdwards. The "T" in LGBT is for "transgender." And as the Transgender article makes clear, cross-dressers do fall under the category of transgender when the term transgender is used very broadly. Further, as made clear in the Transvestism article, the term  transvestite is commonly considered outdated and derogatory these days. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 13:46, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drag is not always transgender 

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