Talk:List of Pomeranian duchies and dukes

message: Can anyone translate this into English and wikify it with hyperlinks? User:Wetman 00:34, 24 September 2003
:Already working on that, User:caius2ga cc 03:23, 2 October 2003
This article contains massiv pov stuff
It is written to show that pomerania was always a polnish. using names of citys which are polnish fantasy names founded in 1945 after the expulsion of the german population. these names had not existed before 1945. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.173.252.9 (talk • contribs)  23:48, 22 May 2006
:Which place names are invented after 1945? Unlike East Prussia, Pomerania was Slavic in the early Middle Ages. Even its name "Pomorze" meaning "Along the Sea" is still easy to understand for modern speakers of Polish (although the modern meaning would be "To the Sea"). A town in Pomerania to have an originally German name would have to be founded not earlier than in 14th century and in the case of Eastern Pomerania only after Poland was divided in late 18th century. The exception are a few new towns in Pomerania founded during the Teutonic Knights rule of  Eastern Pomerania (1308-1466), like Lauenburg in Pommern -> presently Lębork), but even their Polish names are not in invented after 1945 but used for centuries because Eastern Pomerania belonged to Poland between 1466 and 1772. 
:Anyway, this article is mostly about 10-13th centuries before any of the German named towns could be founded. I believe we should use a close analogon of the Gdańsk vote decision in choosing Polish and German names for place names in Pomerania. The period of the Dukes of Pomerania, at least in Eastern Pomerania ended exactly at the time of Teutonic Knight and Brandenburg advances in Pomerania which were the direct result of the the local dynasties dying off. ProudPomeranian 11:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are wrong. In the duchy of Pomerania, even where slavic precursors of the latter towns existed, the towns where founded by German law and after the onset of massive German settlement (Ostsiedlung) throughout the 13th century. Often the name was derived from the Slavic name of the site (often a Pomeranian or Liutizian or Rani burgh), nevertheless the German names are the "original" names.Skäpperöd (talk) 14:39, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that all the references on this page are Polish language looks really bad.  A sprinkling of English and German ones would be helpful.--Stonemad GB 11:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006 talk 

message: Sorry, but using polish names for rulers of something like the Duchy of Wolgast or the Duchy of Stettin/Szczecin looks like rewriting history. Many of these Duchies were part of Poland for maybe 100 years or so and part of the german and northern european culture group afterwards, ...and we can use english names for many of these rulers anyway.
Of course, Boguslaw/Bogislaw was a traditional name in the dynasty used over centuries, but they weren't Poles anymore. Totally stupid is something like Jerzy (Georg), Franciszek (Franz) or Ernest Ludwik (Ernst Ludwig). 84.181.85.11 16:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The rulers were German speaking. 138.246.7.87 13:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish names for german rulers? 

message: I have a little trouble comprehending the following sentence from paragraph three of the article:
As I understand it, both the Kashubians (a subgroup of the Pomeranians) and the Polabians belonged to the Lechitic group of Western Slavs.  However, the Polabians were known from their habitat "po-Laba" (along the Elbe--rather west of the Oder).  Although the Polabians may have touched upon the Kashubians to in the vincinity of the Oder, this sentence in the article seems to muddle the usual taxonomy of the Western Slavic peoples.  I propose to change it to read:
Ziusudra 12:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kashubians not Polabian. 

message: The article page is put together appallingly and obviously by someone for whom English is not their native language. It is a jumbled, unchronological, mess. I will attempt to clean it up but require to get a few books in front of me first. Christchurch (talk) 13:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar

message: Pomerelia has never been a part of any Duchy of Pomerania, which is the topic of this article, so why is it mentioned here? It´s just confusing, so I would suggest to remove the last part of the history section.(HerkusMonte (talk) 08:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While the Duchy of Pomerania had been incorporated in the Holy Roman Empire, Eastern Pomerania (Pomerelia or Gdańsk Pomerania) was controlled by the Teutonic Knights and the Kingdom of Poland. Predominantly inhabited by Kashubians, Poles, and a German minority, the territory was annexed from Poland by the Kingdom of Prussia during the Partitions of Poland.
has no coherence to the "Dukes of P." as Eastern P. (Pomerelia) has never been part of the duchy ( which is implied by this). No territory of any duchy was annexed during the partititions of Poland, as the duchies weren´t part of Poland ( definitely not in 1772). The duchies weren´t "predominantely inhabited by Poles and Kashubians .." ( as pomerelia was ). The article uses the modern (Polish) terms for Pomerania, which is not the topic. I still think, this last sentence is mixing up things and is confusing. (HerkusMonte (talk) 15:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pomerelia / Eastern Pomerania 

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