Talk:Battle of Warsaw (1920)

message: I do not profess to be incredibly proficient where mathematics are concerned; however, nonetheless I have a query about the information presented in this article.  It says here in the "battle in brief" box at the beginning of the page that the Russian order of battle comprised some 114,000 officers and men.  Elsewhere here and on the page itself it reports, at the conclusion of the engagement, 20,000 fatalities; 65,000 captured-in-action; and 35,000 interned.  This totals some 116,000 casualties: 2,000 more than were present at the battle.  This would be an impressive feat, even for the Red Army, to lose more soldiers than had been committed.  Was there some sort of SNAFU, or are these figures accurate?  If the former, perhaps a judicious re-examination of the source; if the latter, perhaps an explanation of the discrepancy. Wally 03:01, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I think this article is almost ready for FAC, if we can just resolve this inconsistency and find a source with clear number of opposing sides number of soldiers estimates. Hmmm...Halibutt? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:24, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: All right, I will make a note of this. What about the 'strenght' box? Can we simply say that strenght is those involved in the main battle and losses are from larger (time/area) operations? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:55, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mathematical question 

message: Once again, a good article, even better now.
However, some specific issues remain, in order:
#Belvedere. What's this? The word links to a disambig article that includes nothing in Poland.
:::Properly the "Belvedere Palace" (Pałac Belwederski):  a modest palace in Warsaw, a few kilometers south of the Royal Castle.  The present building is the latest of several that have stood on the site since 1659.  It once belonged to Poland's last king, Stanisław August Poniatowski, who used it as a porcelain-manufacturing plant.  From 1818 it was the residence of Russian Grand Duke Konstanty, who fled it at the opening of the November 1830 Uprising.  After Poland's resurrection following World War I, it was (with a hiatus, 1922-26) the residence of Józef Piłsudski, who died there in 1935.  (During the May 1926 coup d'etat, President Wojciechowski fled it before Piłsudski's advancing forces.)  During World War II, the building was extensively remodeled for Hans Frank.  In 1945-52 it was the residence of Bolesław Bierut, and later of the president of the Council of State.  Since 1989 it has been the official residence of Poland's president.Logologist 07:22, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Now linked to Belweder. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:26, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There actually is a reason for capitalizing the Russian "Front" but not the Polish "front":  the capitalized Russian term referred to a military unit, the lower-case Polish one--to a geographical expanse.  It is, from our perspective, a matter of a quirk of Russian military nomenclature. Logologist 07:22, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Consider Front (Soviet Army) and military front. I have now ilinked those terms to the first use of front and Front in the article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:26, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text:  Well, the problem is this more a consequence of the war, not the battle. The reveant info is included in the aftermath and further discussed at the main war article, which I hope can be nominated withing few weeks - the Battle... served as a kind of test what to correct in the main war article :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:26, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Follow up to featured article critique

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message: Trotsky is listed in the infobox but not mentioned in the article, what did he do? --AW 14:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anybody? --AW (talk) 18:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, Trotsky was in charge of the Russian army during this time period. It's much like how Hitler is credited as a commander in some Russian battles during World War II. He was the military commander. LikeHolyWater (talk) 04:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I've added few generals on both sides, which should be there from beginning i think :d Djordjee (talk) 22:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trotsky and others? 

message: hi people ,, i have a medal of that war that was from my grandfather if you want i can give you a photo  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.134.138.159 (talk) 18:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't hesitate to upload the photo to Wikimedia Commons. Thank you, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  05:16, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: English Wikipedia:
Republic of Poland
113,000–123,000
Bolshevik Russia
104,000–114,000 <Look here
Polish Wikipedia:
Republic of Poland
113,000–123,000
Bolshevik Russia
114,000-140,000 <Look here
Russian Wikipedia:
Republic of Poland
113,000–123,000
Bolshevik Russia
114,000-140,000 <Look here
Same source in all 3 articles, why English version is different?... --DumnyPolak (talk) 02:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I corrected it here per source, which gives 104-114 for Soviet forces strength. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  16:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strength 

message: Confirming B-class review from MILHIST for WP:POLAND, this article seems to satisfy the B-class quality criteria. As a former FA article, interested editors are encouraged to see if this article meets a GA class. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  05:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-class 

message: It's sad to see a former FA decline, but I have to rescind its B-class status due to insufficient citations. This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 17:44, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: B-class review

message: ... lost in the 1795 partitions of Poland....
Bleve there was one partition in 1795, the others having occurred in 1772 and 1793. Sca (talk) 15:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Partitions

message: Mikhail Tukhachevsky planned to encircle and surround Warsaw by crossing the Vistula River, near Włocławek, to the north and south of the city....
Not grammatically clear which place "the city" refers to; apparently it's Włocławek, which is NW of Warsaw. Changed to "that city, northwest of Warsaw." Sca (talk) 15:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Tukhachevsky's plan

message: The two battle maps show Warsaw as a dark blob on the Vistula but don't label it as WARSAW, which is odd, particularly when all the smaller towns shown have name-labels. Sca (talk) 15:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Battle maps

message: The Russian commander-in-chief lost contact...."
:Assume we mean Tukhachevsky, not Trotsky, though the latter was overall commander of the Red Army, at least nominally. Sca (talk) 16:09, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Pinging primary author, User:Halibutt. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:25, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Who?

message: The number of casualties in the main text is different from the number of casualties in the infobox. I'm no expert so don't know which to choose. ABMvandeBult (talk) 09:09, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  inconsistent number of casualties  

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message: Why its not even listed despite the impact they made? 213.179.233.80 (talk) 09:06, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: UPR forces didn't take part in the battle, they were fighting in the south, near Zamość, and entered the fight after the battle ended. Marcelus (talk) 09:28, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Participation of UPR?