Talk:Borderline personality disorder/Archive 1

message: I have removed the following passage, because it is inaccurate. 
Unfortunatly, the biggest problem with BPD is that it is in fact on the border between mental illness (psychosis) and personality disorder (neurosis). This causes a problem, because the treatment to neurosis and psychosis is diffrent. While psychosis often demands hospitalisation, BPD will often prefer suicide over hospitalisation. And therefore this is impossible. 
The idea that BPD is on the 'border' between psychosis and neurosis is an old one which has been discredited. As is pointed out in the article's opening paragraph, this idea has been superseded by the theory that BPD is primarily a disorder of emotion regulation. Look at the diagnostic criteria: criterion 9 says that a BPD sufferer may experience transient paranoid or dissociative symptoms during periods of stress, etc; but that's as close as the criteria get to saying anything at all about psychosis. R Lowry 14:20, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  the 'border' between psychosis and neurosis 

message: From where does the "2 percent of all adults" figure come?  Personality disorders are notoriously underdiagnosed (given their lack of response to medication), so I'm skeptical of a clear figure like this, especially without a direct citation. siafu 23:43, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind; I traced it from the NIMH article.  I still think a claim like this deserves to be vetted, so I'm going to check it out at the library. siafu 00:53, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 percent of all adults? 

message: The current section on nonBPs seems perhaps a little POV. Rōnin 04:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is, along with being inaccurate.  I will undertake to re-write it. Mjformica 13:33, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The current section on nonBPs 

message: An anonymous user/editor used BPDx -- that stands for BP diagnosis, not disorder, as s/he intended (by context).  The universally accepted abbreviation for disorder is D/O -- if we are going to use abbreviations (which I don't think we should be using) we should get 'em right. Mjformica 16:43, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent revisions to non-BP and abbreviations 

message: aside from the cursory mention it gets in some highly quoted documents (including diagnostic manuals), there is no actual proof or evidence that gender identity problems have anything to do with borderline personality disorder. this contributes to the widespread alienation, enforced invisibity, and villification of transgendered people who become involved with the mental health care system. i am deleting references to gender identity now, except in the case of quoted diagnostic criteria that should include details showing that there is no clinical evidence for the connection (someone please work on this). reverting to include gender identity should be provided with actual proof and verifiable experience (e.g. as with unbiased comprehensive studies), rather than cursory unexplained mention. thank you.
::Gender identity issues tend to arise in BPD patients as a function of the dissociative aspects of the disorder, and the collapse of regard for social boundaries.  The overwhelming desire on the part of the BP to get connected and stay connected is the engine for this.  This condition also helps to account for transgender and same gender sexual liasons within this population; liasons that would not normally occur when the patient is in a stable state.  It is a symptomatic breakthrough, and not a co-occurence or co-morbidity.  Plainly put, you can't draw a straight line from GI issues to BP issues in either direction.  Mjformica 14:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  gender identity 

message: Dense, but informative. I added a sentence. Just take it out if you think it's no good. My 2 cents worth. But clinging to people "smothers" them; and the more you worry and mettle with things and ask "what's the matter", the worse it gets. It's the very desperation and needyness in these people that others sense, and often drives the others away. Then they are alone again, and know/feel like they smothered the relationship, and regardless of fault they blame themselves and feel more bad...take it as proof of their unworthiness (even if that's not reasonalble)... Making it harder to generate the self-esteem needed to make a relationship work and get the social support structure set up. It's a cycle. --Shadow Puppet 22:09, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nice article

message: Another relatively recent and exciting development is a variation on Jeffrey Young's 'Schema Therapy', entitled 'Mode Therapy'. Details can be obtained from his book.
If this is notable,  it might help to briefly explain what kind of therapy this is. --65.25.217.79 20:58, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mode Therapy

message: Why isn't there information on how BPD seems to correlate with the typical "wifebeater" type, complete with paranoid jealousy, being a control freak and abusing the hell out of the rest of the family? It's often the same thing, especially with male sufferers and is mentioned in various sources. I'd hate it if this aspect was completely ignored.--Snowgrouse 21:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abusive partnerships, "wifebeating syndrome" 

message: Hi all, a risk factor is what predates a condition. eg. A risk factor for cancer is smoking etc. Under the heading on the page should be something predisposing to BPD, not the other way around. The section under the heading should be under something like 'Adverse Outcomes' or 'Risks of BPD' or 'BPD and Suicide' or something. Some folk have put alot of wokr into the page so I didn't want to hop in and change stuff :) Cas Liber 12:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Risk Factor heading 

message: If 2% of adults have BPD and 8-10% of those commit suicide, that means the cause of death for 0.2% of American adults is suicide resulting from BPD.  This is absurd.  See here for WHO's suicide rates in the population. --68.100.254.244 18:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  One or both of these statistics is wrong 

message: According to the history an anon has added the NPOV tag. Can I ask why? For the time being I have removed it until an explanation can be given. - Ta bu shi da yu 13:52, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of NPOV tag 

message: Apparently, there is a one-day seminar on BPD at the uni of Sydney on December 2.  The cost is $125, including food.
To find out more, go to this website:  
Cheers, Geelin 02:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BPD Seminar at the Uni of Sydney 

message: Marilyn Monroe was "borderline" and Ibolya Oláh is "borderline" I think! --TransylvanianKarl 12:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any documented evidence for Ibolya Oláh's being BPD ? --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 15:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monroe & Ibolya Oláh