Talk:Halo: Combat Evolved/Archive 1

message: I decided to write up the back story, since it's a pretty good one as far as video games go, and it'll be useful for whoever writes the Halo 2 article too.  I'll finish up the weapons section and the multiplayer section and make 'em look good soon.
:EastNile 07:36, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Back story 

message: I've just moved some stuff about the game that another user added to Halo; but I don't know enough about the game to know which bits are important and integrate it properly. Anybody?
—Paul A 01:15, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved info 

message: It says the PC version adds online play; can't you play Halo on X-box live? --Sam
: It is possible to play Halo on Xbox Connect, but this is an unsupported hack which is totally unrelated to Xbox live --HunterX 03:50, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online 

message: Halo's AI was quite sophisticated for its time. For example, the more cowardly types of enemies would panic when one of their superiors was killed. If a speeding vehicle came at them, they could dive out of the way, and they could take cover from explosives or suppressive fire.
I feel that the aforementioned examples are rather easy to implement and are in no way a mark of how sophisticated the AI was: they just happen to be quite evident to the player. Well-written and -trained Neural Networks and Genetic Algorithms (which exist in a few strategy games) can make the game's AI far more advanced than what the concerned part of the article implies.  
It also appears to me that some parts of the article are needlessly biased, but it is a little too early to place an NPOV template :). 
--GatesPlusPlus 15:48, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game AI 

message: I removed the section - == See also == which only refers to List of Xbox games. This list can be linked from the Xbox entry itself but from Xbox games the category should be sufficient. BFunk 14:36, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Section removal

message: Should there be a separation of the original SPARTAN and SPARTAN II Projects? In the "Conversations From The Universe" booklet in Halo 2, Cortana makes a mention that the original Spartan members where former civilians, not born and raised into warfare like Master Chief, and weren't as conditioned (Cortana actually mentions "brainwashed") as the Spartan IIs.--YoungFreud 18:32, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: (Yeah, I'm finishing a lot of old questions today...) The SPARTAN-I program is pretty well detailed from the Haunted Apiary / ILB story. If you want S-1 info, check there. As far as the Halo games go, the S-1s haven't ever appeared or really been referenced in the story ('cept for the Conversations booklet). Gspawn 19:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SPARTAN Project 

message: Does anyone else think it might be a good idea to spin-off a separate article that can encompass the history of events that occur in the video games and novels?  My concern is that this main Halo article has veered slightly off-topic by trying to include the entire backstory of the Halo universe.  For instance, the following sections, which comprise a large chunk of the article, are totatally tangential to the first video game.
:3.2.2 Early Conflicts
:3.2.3 The human colonization of the Orion Arm
:3.2.4 The Covenant Wars begin
:3.2.5 The fall of the Outer Colonies
:3.2.6 The Cole Protocol
:3.2.7 The SPARTAN Project
:3.2.8 The Battle of Reach
If this stuff was moved to a new article, people who wanted to read the entire backstory could be linked there. -- NormanEinstein 13:51, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Definatly. That would free up a lot of space. --OGoncho 07:07, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline of Halo article? 

message: Is there a name for the engine that Halo uses? -- User:Psi edit
:Halo is (to my knowledge) built using a custom physics engine designed in-house. There was never really a name credited to it officially, although it's basically referred to as the Halo engine as of Stubbs the Zombie's usage and release. Gspawn 19:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Engine 

message: Have just hacked the following out of the article.  No attempt was made by its author to fit it into the existing description of how to trigger the Megg.  If don't like what's there - edit it.  Don't stick in an alternate description of the same thing.
"------------------------------------
This sequence of steps is overly complex.  Here are the important parts:
# You must be playing on Legendary
# At the beginning of Pillar of Autumn, leave the cry tube and climb to the yellow cryo tank.  Stand on top of it for a few moments.
# Play through the level until you get to the bridge.  Trigger the cutscene with Keyes.
# Leave the bridge so that you get the pistol and trigger the checkpoint.  Getting the AR is not required, but is probably helpful.
# Go onto the bridge and kill anyone to trigger the invisible marines.
# The secret room is now open.  If you were standing in the middle of the bridge facing back towards the rest of the level, it would be on the right.
So anyone trying to trigger this, don't kill yourself trying to do anything crazy.  The only thing that you really need to do out of the ordinary is stand on the yellow crate for a short time.  I've heard five seconds, but that may not be the case."
Anyway, if I've the time, I'll edit it myself.  But I'm not au fait with the Megg (having only played on the PC) so it'd be better if someone else did it.  --Plumbago 15:13, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Megg 

message: As the history of the Halo universe is relevant to 3-4 articles on Halo games, various books, and many articles about characters and events within this setting, would it make sense to create a separate page to describe it?  Ojw 14:54, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Halo universe]]?

message: I labeled the arbiter's role as a commander on Halo to be speculation.  The reasoning for this is that there has been extensive and inconclusive debate on numerious websites including several threads of discussion on h.b.o. and its story page.  I will provide links if requested. --Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 05:39, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In the Limited Edition of Halo 2's manual, there is a message from the "Supreme Commander of the Fleet of Paticular Justice". It contains details such as "The disgrace and blasphamy at Halo was an abomination caused by my error," suggesting that this is the Elite who would become the Arbiter. --OGoncho 10:36, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arbiter's connection to halo 

message: Regarding the advanced techniques section that was recently added, I commented it out, but did not delete it entirely until this question is resolved:  It sounds a lot like fancruft to me, and would belong in a fansite or walkthrough, not something of particular value to the article.  In case the arguement is made regarding the warthog jump and such, those have become almost iconic to those who play halo, or even just the xbox, and are wildly known almost to the point of meme status.  I wanted to make sure my line of thinking was right before anything got truly deleted however.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 19:39, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think game tips belong on Wikipedia, WP:NOT Gamefaqs.--Zxcvbnm 21:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advanced Techniques 

message: (moved from "Another Easter Egg")
Sorry to butt in, but the Easter Eggs section at the moment is no longer about Easter Eggs at all- it's about a few exploitable ghame glitches. Someone needs to read up on the definition of Easter Egg before continuing with that work. I'm going to edit, and the Megg will top the list, for obvious reasons. gspawn 22:47, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And of the part where I placed topics above the contents bar under it by giving them proper headings, instead of having some jutting above the bar for no reason? gspawn 23:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They are all old conversation that might as well be archived, but shouldn't be altered in any way.  Regarding your observations and edits regarding easter eggs though, I have to say, good catch.  You're right in saying that glitch exploits definitely dont fall under what should be considered an easter egg.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 23:41, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Easter Eggs Cleanup

message: Sorry - having corpse humping in the article is bad enough (though it has a long and noble history ...), but the new material on "pooing" is getting silly.  Removed.  --Plumbago 18:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Corpse humping

message: I would say that the reference to Iain M. Banks should be removed in favor of Larry Niven. In Ringworld, Niven posits a structure remarkably similar (in fact, almost identical) to the Halo's, except for scale (the Ringworlds are far larger if I'm not mistaken). Niven's jargon used to describe directions is used at least once by Cortana (Spinwards/Anti-spinwards). Ringworld was written in 1970, whereas the first of The Culture novels, Consider Phlebas, was written in 1987 -- a full seventeen years later. 67.160.30.127 02:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, Niven is where Banks gets his inspiration from.  However, as you've correctly observed, Niven's ringworlds are much, much larger.  Banks talks about smaller, Halo-sized orbitals in his "A Few Notes On The Culture" (though written some time before Halo appeared).  Might be better to revise the text to reflect input from both Niven and Banks.  I'll have a go.  --Plumbago 11:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iain M. Banks, Culture Orbitals vs. Larry Niven 

message: I simply had to add the word cyborg before "super-soldier" since it comes straight from the manual and the word cyborg didn't even appear anywhere else in the article. Also, the phrasing "Following the takeover, Halo was released exclusively for Microsoft's Xbox game console on November 15, 2001 in North America," Kind of implies it was initially being designed for the Xbox as well, which it was not. Lastly, anyone with subwoofers can clearly hear the heartbeat of low health in Halo. A minor detail, but the heartbeat itself is a minor detail.
My first edit of any Wiki entry. Feel free to yell at me if I goofed.
--Rip-Saw 08:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rather minor edits with (in?)significant impact 

message: Halo 3 has not yet been confirmed, and no promitional materials exist. Quotes about release windows have been disproven on numerous occasions. See the Halo 3 section of the Halo game series page if you wanna read more. This material needs to be deleted here, because it is both off-topic (there's some anti-H3 and "H2 sucks" ranting) and misleading (the "promotional materials" are bad photoshop jobs where people flipped part of the 2 in Halo 2 over to make it look like a 3). Gspawn 19:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And just in cast, yes ^this^ was written before e3. ;) gspawn 14:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halo 3 NOT confirmed 

message: The halo books are canon. Why someone put that they weren't, I don't know, but they are canon. The writers of the three books worked closely with the halo developers & creators, an the books have the bungie emblem on them.
-Alex, 12.220.157.93 19:54, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is readily explained if you look at both the games and the books as canon, but as different media. It takes a leap of faith, but here it is: In the games, John is the sole surviving spartan (as far as the player is concerned). The games are about one man's quest to save (or redeem) mankind. The novels are more about backstory and exposition, and generally about the intricacies of the SPARTAN force and humanity in general, and thus do not have the "one man" focus. It should be obvious after Halo 2's story weaving that MC will always be the only Spartan on the game (Spartans are present before and after Halo in the novels, and just before Halo 2, but do not appear in either game). However, in the prequel novel for Halo 3 and any potential successor novels, I guarantee you'll see lots of SPARTANs. That's really just how the titles are set up. All of the events are completely canon on both media, save the games' notion that John is the sole surviving SPARTAN (for the purposes of setting up the "one man" tone). gspawn 14:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Back of Halo game case, and inside manual 2-3 times: "You are the sole surviving SPARTAN". Back of at least 2 of the Halo novels: "sole survivng SPARTAN" (or close to it). Chief was DEFINATELY, before the novels, intended to be the last SPARTAN left alive. Personally I think the other SPARATANS were "cooked up" by the authors and allowed to stay in because of the non-interference- they'll never appear in the games, so it doesn't really affect anything. Gspawn 16:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Books 

message: I like Halo, but I disagree that this is a Good Article right now. Primarily, it needs a style edit (you should not address the reader/player as "you" in the article), it only contains three sources, none of which support key assertions such as, "Many FPS games (on various platforms) following in the wake of Halo's initial release have been, whether erroneously or not, hailed as "Halo-killers", so great has the impact been not only on the Xbox community but the gaming community as a whole. As such it is regarded as a benchmark in FPS games, something to be looked up to and, if possible, equal or better it." and "Halo's gameplay is characterized by several features which set it apart from less acclaimed first-person shooter games. It was the first game to combine features such as recharging shields and a limited inventory of weapons, and has been widely imitated since the game's release." See also my comments in the peer review. I realize that Good Article criteria is less stringent than FA criteria, but I don't think this is quite there yet. — TKD::Talk 03:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the article's miles off being a good article at present.  Its content is good in parts, but needs some editing down a bit, but its structure could really be worked on.  For instance, I've just promoted the Storyline section that was languishing near the bottom of the article.  The Gameplay section is a bit of a mess, and would benefit from separating single and multiplayer for a start.  What's disappointing to me is that the article looked and read better in the past.  It seems to have bloated badly since then.  Just my two cents.  Cheers, --Plumbago 09:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I originally added the  tag to the Easter Eggs section.  Then I came here and found out that the unencyclopidic tone might be throughout the entire article.  I've since moved the tag to the top of the page. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 14:43, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just trimmed the Easter Egg section somewhat.  But that's just the start.  The article has always tended towards a FAQ, but it needs to be hemmed in before its too late ...  --Plumbago 18:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And game titles should be italised. Skinnyweed 01:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why I believe this is not yet a Good Article

message: Can someone please tell me, where to download this Halo soundtrack...the music are sick:P better than Halo 2.
Thanks
:>x<ino 18:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know what would be awesome?  Using this talk page for article related issues, not to request crap.  --Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 06:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hAl0 soundtrack 

message: This game is in :Category:Cancelled Dreamcast games. Can anyone explain this? ~ Hibana 22:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The game was developed for Mac, PC, then Xbox (and in that order and as said by Bungie at many points), but for no others. Contrary to popular rumor, the game was also never even considered for the Playstation. If that's there, you can delete it too. gspawn 14:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dreamcast?

message: The graphics are finer when you pop the disc in an xbox 360. Shouldnt this be noted?
:Though it was. Oh-well, yes it should be noted. The game runs faster, looks better, etc. Gspawn 15:54, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xbox 360 Upgrade 

message: This section should be referenced (it is Wikipedia:original research)--Zxcvbnm 01:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had to remove a reference to a template that is now marked for speedy deletion. This template marked this page as a speedy deletion candidate, and this page definitely is not speedyable. Jesse Viviano 17:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops; that was my fault; I forgot to noinclude-guard the speedy deletion tag. — TKD::Talk 17:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

text: [minor edit- Since this is a section of removed text, it should be offset from the comment about it. Added a tiny bit of formatting for clarity.]Gspawn 16:16, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exploits 

message: A number of small glitches in the game have made room for exploits, where said glitches are often (but not always) used to the advantage of the player.  One such secret is the "Blood Gulch Hack", where it is possible for the player to jump inside a rock using a Warthog or Scorpion tank. 
:I had to remove a reference to a template that is now marked for speedy deletion. This template marked this page as a speedy deletion candidate, and this page definitely is not speedyable. Jesse Viviano 17:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops; that was my fault; I forgot to noinclude-guard the speedy deletion tag. — TKD::Talk 17:59, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

text: [minor edit- Since this is a section of removed text, it should be offset from the comment about it. Added a tiny bit of formatting for clarity.]Gspawn 16:16, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Exploits