Talk:2005/Archive 1

message: I don't know the format for current years very well -- are the recent changes here made by an anonymous user correct? They look wrong to me. Jwrosenzweig 00:54, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This still looks wrong to me.  Anyone know for sure though? Jwrosenzweig 19:07, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

message: I've tentatively added a navbox template to replace the rather unattractive navigational elements at the top of the page. Dicussion at WikiProject Years. -- Seth Ilys 23:51, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Navbox template

message: International year of Microcredit? Year of Physics? Initially, I thought these sounded made up. If you add year themes like this, please cite them with a link or they will be deleted. At least tell us who has made this designation. 
Google gave me this: on microcredit. UN designation makes more sense than, say, Clusterworld's year of the dual core CPU . MPS 16:53, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please cite Dubious Distinctions 

message: In the list of events I'm suprised that the 400th aniversary
of the Discovery of the Gunpowder Plot seems to have been
overlooked.
Conventionaly the discovery of the
Gunpowder plot is deemed to have taken place on: 5th November- 1605
The 400th aniversay of the discovery of the plot will of
course NOT be lost on the inhabitants of a certain English
town.
Yes, but this English town is not relevant to the world, most likely. --YixilTesiphon
Eh-- just in case you don't get it, he means London, and Guy Fawkes. It is an incredibly well known piece of history an deserves a mention.
:Is the 400th anniversary notable (has there been notable celebration, etc) or is this just 400 years after something notable? --SPUI (talk) 15:29, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about the 400th Aniversary of the Gunpowder Plot? 

message: That mention of oil in the U.S.-- is it appropriate? D. G. 23:38, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Oil Stuff

message: Why is Ash Wednesday listed?  It happens every year.  There's some sort of precedent for when it will fall (my religious teachings are failing me in my old age).  So why is it listed if there's nothing significant about this specific year's celebration?
Movie releases:  Why list them when they haven't happened yet?  Especially when they could be pushed back or, although rare, moved up.  
Dismas
* Ash Wednesday is listed as a scheduled event. There is of course nothing special about that particular day. Hovever, it is useful to keep it, and other similar festivals/routine events (eg the Superbowl) for now, as they give readers an idea of how the year is going to map out, and key dates for changable events/holidays. When the day comes, it can be removed (unless it is a particularly notable Ash Wednesday) Astrotrain 17:22, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)
* For me Ash Wednesday is a religious day. So do not make sense put it on the calendar. Fupis 0:29, Jan 6, 2005 UTC
* SuperBowl, World Series are US-centric sport events. Despite the name world series concern only for US. RedSox won? UAU! Very Good! But, what is RedSox? SuperBowl is in the same way. I am from Brazil and for me this kind of sport event do not matters. Or do you want to know when the brazilian Football League starts? I dont think so... Fupis 0:29, Jan 6, 2005 UTC
:*My opinion: generally, if it's on another "2004 in " list then it doesn't belong here.  So films and sporting events: nope.  Religious holidays aren't necessary. 1) Ash wednesday is christian-centric and 2) if we put all religious holidays on here then we just added a lot.  So dump them as well. Chinese new year: not necessary either as we don't mark other new years. Cburnett 00:15, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do these really belong here? 

message: * Given the violent year in Iraq during 2004, and the likely continuation in 2004, what Iraqi acts of violence are appropiate for this page? It may be inpractical to list all bombings, deaths etc as they could overwhelm the page??? Astrotrain 17:22, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)
:You could make a separate page for "2005 in terrorism". --YixilTesiphon 04:25, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's obviously impractical to list all violence, but major acts (such as the assassination of the governor of Baghdad) should be included. 2004 saw plenty of violence and that page isn't overwhelmed with it. If anything it's a bit light on info. As for putting it on a '2005 in terrorism', that would be definitionally incorrect as many of the attacks are on military targets which, by definition, is not terrorism. Psychobabble 23:08, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: True. "2005 in Conflict Zones"? --YixilTesiphon 04:09, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Iraq

message: I removed two listings for upcoming Nth-anniversaries in the "Expected" section (one for the 60th anniv. of Auschwitz's liberation, one for the 1st anniv. of the Opportunity rover's landing).  As far as I'm concerned, these are just clutter unless the anniversary itself is significant ("the Nth anniversary of the start of X, surpassing Y") or unless something significant happens at an observance of the anniversary ("at a gathering to mark the Nth anniversary of X, Y happened").  Of course, the two items I removed are still in the history, and can be restored if necessary; I just wanted to discuss this before too much time went by. - jredmond 19:56, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nth-anniversary listings 

message: Avaragado's  feedback:
* Add terminal punctuation everywhere except Deaths (see above).
* Deaths #2 is better, but lose the enforced line breaks and use caps in the right column (eg First not first).
* I'd drop the multiple-month sections: keep it simple, lay out August-December as with February etc.
* I like the design overall; however, I think the markup's likely to cause grief for many editors. I'm tempted to say that a simple template could simplify the markup, but it would probably kill performance. What do other people think?
::-- Avaragado 09:18, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks LG for your comments.  Please see 2005/test for a full article in the new format.  Please note the difference between Jan 3 and Jan 9. The 3rd is with separate entries regardless and the 9th has multiple-event dates in a bulleted list. The latter clearly shows they happened on the same date and I find the readability of both to be the same.  I don't mind either way. Cburnett 07:52, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Feedback to the proposed formats

message: See 2005/test.  It's the 2005 article entirely in the new format (with Death #2).  Perhaps a whole page in format separate from discussion will make things easier. Cburnett 07:48, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full article in new format 

message: Would anyone think it would be good to actually note down about the relief concert in Cardiff earlier this year? People did work hard for that, and simply cared that much that they raised a good load of money. It was the biggest since 1985 anyway. 
Draig goch20 22:31, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Failure to record the Cardiff Tsunami relief concert''' 

message: After adding the "deaflympics" to the 2005 page, I was edited claiming "there were a lot of disputes about listing the main Olympics on the year page, let alone the Deafolympics (sic). 2005 in sports is more appropriate.". Why is it sill ok to list the anoucement date for the 2012 olympics, then?? Has anyone got any comments?? Rarosalion 02:30, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deaflympics 

message: How do all these baseball players end up in the deaths section? If I try to add a footballer, it's gets removed for not being of historical significance, even if they did something historically significant in the game. Every other year has just about everyone in the deaths section. --Ben davison 11:49, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Moaning

message: Was the launch of the RFA Cardigan Bay on April 9 worth recording?  I included it, but Psychobabble thinks it is not sufficiently important.  Nobody has disputed that the ship itself is encyclopedic.  The launch of a ship for one of the world's largest navies does not happen every day, or even every month.  Is e.g. a new album from Bruce Springsteen all that important? PatGallacher 12:46, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)
* I would say the ship is not a significant addition to the Royal Navy to be included on the main 2005 page. It is a mere transport ship, not even an aircraft carrier. It didn't make any news impact in the UK even. Astrotrain 15:16, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
* We simply can't include everything which is worth creating an encyclopedia page for. As for ships, military ships & subs get launched fairly regularly (take a look at china's MASSIVE expansion of their navy in the past few years) and aren't particularly noteworty events. Think, will anyone care about this in 1, 2, 5 years time? As for the Springsteen album thing, if it ends up as an actual entry (ie not just a "future" then it'll be deleted. We gotta keep trivia out of the list or it will get too clogged up. Psychobabble 01:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Launch of Cardigan Bay

message: I think the number of entries on this page is far too large. 2002 is, I think, a good example of what we should aim for. That entire year is about the size of the first four months of this year. It's much more readable and mostly includes only genuinely important events. This page should be a short, readable, succint summary of what went on this year. To this end I propose deleting the following entries but I thought I'd consult first:
January
*The Freedom of Information Act 2000 comes into force in the United Kingdom.
*Turkey introduces a new currency, the New Turkish Lira, valued at 1,000,000 times the old lira.
*In Germany, stage IV of the Hartz concept brings together unemployment benefits and social security benefits, despite protests.
*A major storm system sweeps across the United States, and winter weather such as snow, ice storms and avalanches kill at least 16.
*Mars Exploration Rover-A Spirit marks its first year roaming Mars Gusev crater.
*The United States Navy submarine USS San Francisco runs aground near Guam, killing one sailor and injuring several others.
*Photos of Prince Harry dressed as a Nazi at a fancy dress party cause worldwide condemnation.
*Speed limits in the Republic of Ireland switch from mph to km/h. All speed limit signs are replaced, as well as old road signs with non-metric distances (from before the 1970s).
*The Procter & Gamble Co. acquires Gillette Co. in a deal valued at $57 billion US, creating the world's largest consumer-products company.
* A train crash near Bologna, Italy kills 18 people.
February
*the Palestinian authorities and the Prime Minister of Israel, Ariel Sharon agree to a truce at talks in Egypt. (they're always doing that)
*Fire devastates the Windsor Building, a 32 story office block, in Madrid.
*Airlines in Europe will have to pay heavy compensation to passengers for flight delays and cancellations under a European regulation coming into force from this date.
* 2005 Quebec student strike begun.
* The galaxy VIRGOHI21, which is made up of mostly dark matter within the Virgo cluster, have been discovered by radio telescopes, shedding new light on the theory of how the universe is held together by the gravitational pull of these dark matters and dark energy. Things like this happen all the time. It would be worth one of the small news entries at the start of New Scientist, not much more
March
*Paul Schäfer, leader of Colonia Dignidad, is captured in Argentina after an eight-year disappearance. Two days later, he would be deported to Chile. Maybe I am just ignorant, but I don't see the lasting importance of this
*Central African Republic to have its first elections since 1999. What does this mean? Have the elections actually happened or was it just announced? If the latter then I say delete
*Suspects Ripudaman Singh Malik and Ajaib Singh Bagri in the bombing of the Air India Flight 182 in 1985 are found to be not guilty on all accounts.
*Japan's Expo 2005 beginning east of Nagoya.
*MG Rover, the UK's sole remaining volume producer goes into receivership after a planned alliance with Chinese manufacturer, Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation collapses.
I'm not alleging that this page has any particular bias, though it might, I simply think it's too big and un-readable. If you object to any of these removals please be specific and detail your objection. (btw, speaking of too big, should some of this talk page be archived?) Psychobabble 01:56, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd keep the Central African Republic elections too, provided we can substantiate it and get some after-the-fact, um, facts on it. - jredmond 15:05, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of Entries