Talk:John Mitchel

message: Hello, Smackbot, I have attempted to use a Reference, the first in the ones you requested. The article referred to was Titled the “Railway article.”  This is mentioned in quite a number of books on both Mitchel and Young Ireland. How can I illustrate this in the reference? The dispute between Charles Gavan Duffy and Mitchel was a completely different matter, but did not lead to a prosecution. I did not want to start carving up other peoples work, i.e., how the sentence links to issues in one. Could you give me your thoughts on this before I proceed to addressing the rest? Regards Domer48
::I have added new material and I would like some help with both referencing and editing. I would like to see earlier edits reversed on the Early Life section, and in addition, the references which were helpfully added removed as they are incorrect. While everyone is entitled to edit at will, and add sections, notice of changes, due to errors on my part would be very helpful, advise on how I can address the problems and resolve them would be priceless.  Much appreciated Domer48
I sorted out the references, what I did was simply taking away the reference that were there, and pasted in a new one. If some one could simply put a template on this page such as.John Mitchel, P. S. O'Hegarty, Maunsel & Company, Ltd 1917. Pg 1.. The formula did not come out on the page. To get what I am saying, look at this notice in the edit view.
 goes at the start and  at the end. You put your information in the middle of these. Would that be right? It will automatically add reference numbers. 
One more thing could you let me know a little more about adding quotes. The one’s I add in relation to Mitchel’s character I thought were very useful. They could have been expanded upon, and opposing opinions facilitated. Domer
::Put in some references, just testing it out. Will be much more detailed once I get the hang of it. Just waiting for, Smackbot to get back to me on a request I have.
Hi Domer. In the Young Ireland and John Mitchel articles, the points in the text that say "citation needed" require references to be put in. Using the above information provided by Tyrenius, you should put in your sources. Regards. Logoistic 18:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Domer, Smackbot is just a bot account, i.e. it was programmed to go aroudn performing certain tasks on Wikipedia. It won't respond to you. I will help you with the referencing. Logoistic 20:27, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've checked your most recent edits to this article, and you seem to be getting the hang of referencing. If you could put page numbers in, that would be better. Regards. Logoistic 20:30, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referencing Article 

message: Could any member tell me about how to post a disputed article Banner,on this page? Considering the subject, I think he would have appreciated it. 
If the page is going to be edited, it would be nice to see the reasons why.  That way we can debate, discuss and decide, how to get round the problems, in the process of which we all learn something new. Domer48
:: Hi, Domer. I have tried to improve the article in terms of following Wiki policies. What is it that you dispute? This is a better way to deal with the issue than simply posting "disputed" banners at the top of these pages. Regards. Logoistic 12:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add a disputed page banner 

message: I have added additional information on his early life, and restored an edited version of the section entitled family. I have divided some of the material into additional sections, and will expand them all in stages. I have used a referencing technique which was shown to me on the Daniel O’Connell article, which works much better. I would like the neutrality tag removed, and section tags (re citation need) placed above sections which are not referenced. Regards --Domer48 18:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Sections 

message: Last night I made a bunch of edits to bring this in line with the Wikipedia Manual of style, including:
# dates are to be formatted as "April 27, 2007" or "27 April 2007", and not in other styles -- see WP:DATE;
# headings should follow sentence case, not title case, i.e., ==This is a heading==, not ==This Is A Heading==;
# I have reduced overlinking by removing repeated links, e.g., The Nation -- see WP:CONTEXT#What_generally_should_not_be_linked and WP:LINK -- see WP:MSH;
# magazine and book titles are italicised, and magazine articles and short stories go in double quotation marks -- see WP:MOS#Titles;
# punctuation is placed outside of quotation mark unless it forms part of what is being is being quoted, e.g., not "Newspaper Article Title," but "Newspaper Article Title". -- See WP:MOS#Quotation_marks.
Ground Zero | t 11:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Manual of Style changes

message: Public voice - what does it mean. I've found no explanation to this in internet. Is it common expression? my vocabularies can't help me.--Deviloper (talk) 07:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  public voice 

message: Thought this link might be useful. Fergananim (talk) 10:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: John Mitchel and slavery

message: Either say he's from Derry, Ireland or say Londonderry, Northern Ireland. Now, because he was a renowned Irish representative for the Irish cause, we say Derry, Ireland and NOT londonderry. Thank you 77.205.19.251 (talk) 05:09, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --allthefoxes (Talk)  19:32, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2020 

message: Change County Londonderry to County Derry.
Though ‘Londonderry’ is used by Unionists as the name of the city of Derry (which has little standing historically) it has never had any standing as the name of the county. 78.152.220.213 (talk) 20:33, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: WP:LONDONDERRY RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  22:13, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2020 

message: It is interesting, but not surprising, that coverage of Mitchel's activities in the United States is one-sided and skewed in favor of the nationalist historical narrative. 
One section even goes so far as to say that Mitchel's views on slavery, race, anti-Reconstruction and Southern secession were "at odds with Irish America". While it is true that some Irish Americans publicly rejected Mitchel's stance on these issues, historians generally agree that the majority of this community, or at least those politically active members, held all of these views throughout the mid-late 19th C. 
In the "pro-Slavery Confederate" section, editors attributed the following line to Liam Hogan:
"Provoked by the nativist hostility they encountered in the United States, Mitchel was to further distance his countrymen from the African American by elevating them within the white race."
It is not entirely clear what this is supposed to mean, but if the assertion is that nativist hostility provoked an anti-black reaction within the Irish-American community and that Irish Americans attempted to earn their acceptance by engaging in anti-black racism (as many historically ignorant people like to claim), then this, too, is unsound. 
First, anti-immigrant nativism was a highly localized phenomenon: it was most intense in big Northeastern port cities where Republican views on abolitionism and black emancipation were the prevailing sentiment (also note that only a minority of Irish immigrants were permanently settled in these cities). Rather than being accepted into the majority white community, anti-black racism and Southern sympathies among Irish Americans provoked an even greater nativist backlash and functioned as an obstacle to assimilation. 
Secondly, Liam Hogan does not hold the view that anti-black racism among 19th Century Irish Americans was provoked by nativists. Hogan has actually dedicated a significant amount of his research to demonstrating that, when it came to racial thinking, Ireland was firmly within the general stream of Western European consciousness, and that negative opinions of black people among Irish immigrants were likely carried across the Atlantic. If you aren't aware of this, then you aren't familiar with Hogan's work.
Hogan's Medium article cited here makes the point that,
"It is evident that many influential members of this generation of Irish Nationalists, while not as extreme as Mitchel, were also not of a Liberal persuasion and had little to no sympathy with abolitionism. Some were overtly racist."
This was actually one of the main points of Hogan's piece, but it's been left out of this article and its place we find several insinuations that Mitchel was some type of outlier among the nationalists of his day. While Mitchel's views were undeniably extreme, rivaling George Fitzhugh's thoughts on the subject (although Fitzhugh at one point suggested that some whites be enslaved, so perhaps not that extreme), Mitchel's opinion of slavery and his Southern sympathies were by no means rare in nationalist communities on both sides of the Atlantic. Jonathan f1 (talk) 16:27, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mitchel, slavery and racism