Talk:Pedro I of Brazil

message: Why is his father's name not being shown as John VI, in this article? His father's article is named John VI of Portugal. Note aswell, it's shown as John VI in Maria I of Portugal's. The inconsistencies are weird. GoodDay (talk) 16:45, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Show his father's name correctly.  

message: *A - While said-linked articles are in their english language title forms. GoodDay (talk) 18:28, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   in that case, perhaps it would be worth short-circuiting this entire discussion by making an RM for those pages? If the Portuguese names are now the WP:COMMONNAMEs, then it should be a relatively uncontroversial move. BilledMammal (talk) 00:40, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've called on  to open up an RM for all those bio articles, but he chose not to. My guess is, he believes the end results will be the same. GoodDay (talk) 04:40, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Indeed, it's been a few years, since those RMs were last held. Perhaps the results there will be different this time. GoodDay (talk) 01:05, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: To elaborate. I found it confusing seeing those linked articles (pipelinked & redirected) into portuguese language form. Since I was twice reverted for making (IMHO) corrections to this. I've opened up this RFC. I would recommend that the objector, open RMs at said-linked articles. GoodDay (talk) 18:31, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Não, Isabel. Não, Jaime. Não, Guilly. - Ryk72 talk 02:16, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: In other words, you’re pushing this change in this articles out of pettiness because the Wikipedia in Portuguese translates names. Your goal here is not to have a meaningful discussion about how historiography has called Joao VI (which I’m certain that none of you ever read a history book about him or Portuguese-Brazilian events). Because if your goal were that, you’d have tried to look at the books published by university presses in the past thirty years, would have seen that he’s indeed called Joao. But this is not what you really want. It’s because of whatever happens at Wikipedia in Portuguese.--Lecen (talk) 02:55, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

text: This is about how to show the monarchs names, that are mentioned in this article. Do we show them as their article titles are named? or do we show them in the Portuguese language form. For examples: Do we show John VI or João VI; Ferdinand VII or Fernando VII. GoodDay (talk) 05:49, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

text:  Just to be certain. Which do you suggest in the above 'survey'? A or B? GoodDay (talk) 03:55, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Would it be alright to 'move' that, to the survey section? GoodDay (talk) 05:55, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Did you bother doing any research or did you reach that conclusion based only on your personal preference? Can you prove that emperor Pedro I of Brazil is actually better known as “Peter I”?  --Lecen (talk) 06:46, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: What about John VI, Ferdinand VII, Charles IV & Peter III, which are the focus here? Anyways, I'm only asking him to place his position in the 'survey' section. That's not canvassing because, he's already made his position on the topic known & we're within the RFC it self. GoodDay (talk) 06:51, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

text: Sorry guys, I was tired and short on time last night when I posted that. I didn't put my comment in the survey section because I was going to actually write a comment, not 'vote'. Anyways, I meant to say, the links to and the article itself should be most recognisable to English speakers, whether that's Pedro or Peter. I believe the links and the article should be the same, or at least similar whenever possible and shouldn't confuse the reader. I'm not voting, but between the 2 choices, I think A is best. Just my 2 bits.Masterhatch (talk) 12:24, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, alright. It's a Kinda-A position (which you 'can' put in the survey, if you want). BTW, I do wish Lecen would 'lower-the-volume' in his edit-summaries. He snaps at me? fine. But he shouldn't be snapping at both of us. GoodDay (talk) 13:09, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: :Interesting discussion. After having now read the discussion and relevant policy Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Foreign_terms in particular, I have a couple observations.
:First, COMMONNAME refers to the common usage for that person, not the common english translation of their name.  So if the majority of references call someone Pedro XIX, then that's what we should use.
:And with that in mind (and per WP:FOREIGN), these probably should be handled on a case-by-case basis per individual, so I dunno if lumping them all together into a group rfc like this was the best course of action.
:And it seems to me that several people tried to say something similar, but were pressured by the format of this rfc to instead pick A or B arbitrarily.
:So, following current policy, I dunno if this rfc can be closed with a result of consensus for anything. 
:Anyway, just some observations. YMMV. of course. - jc37 03:19, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not many english only readers, would be able to pronounce João VI. GoodDay (talk) 09:18, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I might presume the same about Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis. Antidisestablishmentarianism, or even to correctly intone Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. But we do not name articles based on what we guess our readers can pronounce. - jc37 12:05, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We each see it in our own way. GoodDay (talk) 08:29, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You’ve been insisting on this for over ten years. This is a matter that only you care about it, no one else does.It’s time to move on. --Lecen (talk) 13:43, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You also care about this topic greatly, otherwise you wouldn't have ever reverted my changes or participated in this RFC. I've already put in a request for closure. I'll accept the decision there (whatever it is) & hope you'll do likewise. GoodDay (talk) 18:17, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Observations