Talk:Perdiccas

message: It says here that he was the son of "Macedonian nobleman" Orontes, but neither source says that Orontes was a Macedonian nobleman. Considering that he was briefly satrap of Armenia, from the Orontid line, could he not be the son/grandson of Orontes, who was the satrap of Armenia? Or possibly of that family, which "son of" can mean, as was Mithrenes, the son of Orontes, who was also satrap of Armenia before and possibly when Perdiccas was? I am just wanting to clarify if somewhere else in the writing, the authors specify that this Orontes, an Iranian/Persian name, was actually a Macedonian nobleman? Especially considering that the Orontid dynasty of Armenia, named for Orontes/Aruantes, which used Persian Iranian names because for most of its ancient history, it was a part of the various persian Empires, and the line of Armenian satraps goes Hydarnes, Orontes, Orontes, Mithrenes, Orontes, Perdiccas. Youngkyf (talk) 10:42, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Macedonian nobleman?

message: Anyone have any idea how he is a son of Orontes? Where does this information come from? Orontes was a name of Iranic origin used exclusively by Armenians. See: Orontid Dynasty.
What's odd is that Perdiccas actually ruled Armenia briefly.--Eupator 23:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I edited the first paragraph based on the definition in Wiktionary.
Flounder is frequently confused with the verb founder. The difference is one of severity; floundering (struggling to maintain a position) comes before foundering (losing it completely by falling, sinking or failing). 
Perdiccas never really righted himself. Micah.t.ross (talk) 21:44, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Flounder vs. Founder

message: In your article under REGENT, last paragraph, you state 
"To strengthen his control over the empire, Perdiccas agreed to marry Nicaea, the daughter of the satrap of Macedonia, Antipater. However, he broke off the engagement in 322 BC when Olympias, mother of Alexander the Great, offered him the hand of Alexander's full sister Cleopatra. Given the intellectual disability of Philip III and the limited acceptance of the boy, Alexander IV, due to his mother being a Persian, the marriage would have given Perdiccas a claim as Alexander's true successor, not merely as regent."
implying that Perdiccas and Nicaea were never married.  This does not cite a reference.
In PHOTIUS, BIBLIOTHECA OR MYRIOBIBLON which I found at https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/photius_03bibliotheca.htm and is cited in the Wikipedia article on Nicaea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaea_of_Macedon) it states:  
"Perdiccas, intriguing against Antigonus, called him to judgment, but Antigonus, aware of the plot, refused to appear.  This led to enmity between them. At the same time Iollas and Archias came to Perdiccas from Macedonia, accompanied by Nicaea, the daughter of Antipater, with a proposal of marriage. Olympias, the mother of Alexander the Great, also sent to him, offering him the hand of her daughter Cleopatra. Eumenes of Cardia favoured Cleopatra, but his brother Alcetas persuaded him to accept Nicaea. Soon afterwards Cynane was put to death by Perdiccas and his brother Alcetas. This Cynane was the daughter of Philip, the father of Alexander, her mother being Eurydice, the wife of Amyntas, whom Alexander put to death just before he set out for Asia. This Amyntas was the son of Perdiccas the brother of Philip, so that he was the cousin of Alexander. Cynane brought her daughter Adea (afterwards called Eurydice) to Asia and offered her hand to Arrhidaeus. The marriage subsequently took place, with the approval of Perdiccas, to appease the increasing indignation of the soldiery, which had been aroused by the death of Cynane. Antigonus, in the meantime, took refuge with Antipater and Craterus in Macedonia, informed them of the intrigues of Perdiccas against him, declaring that they were directed against all alike. He also described the death of Cynane in such exaggerated terms that he persuaded them to make war on Perdiccas. Arrhidaeus, who kept the body of Alexander with him, contrary to the wish of Perdiccas, took it from Babylon by way of Damascus to Ptolemy the son of Lagus in Egypt; and though often hindered on his journey by Polemon, a friend of Perdiccas, nevertheless succeeded in carrying out his intention.
Meanwhile, Eumenes conveyed gifts from Perdiccas to Cleopatra at Sardes, since Perdiccas had decided to repudiate Nicaea and to marry Cleopatra. When this became known to Antigonus through Menander the governor of Lydia, he informed Antipater and Craterus, who were more than ever determined to make war on Perdiccas. Antipater and Craterus, starting from the Chersonese, crossed the Hellespont, having previously sent messengers to deceive those who guarded the passage. They also sent ambassadors to Eumenes and Neoptolemus, who supported Perdiccas; Neoptolemus went over to them, but Eumenes refused."
implying that he divorced her.
Could you clarify your position that they never married?
Thank you!
Gemtwist61 (talk) 23:41, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Or implying that he only got as far as engaging her and then changed his mind. Given that it is not explicitly stated that they were married but only an implication, the statement in the article should be based on what WP:Reliable sources say, not on references to primary material. Furius (talk) 10:17, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Perdiccas ever marry Nicaea of Macedon?