Talk:She: A History of Adventure

message: "'She' is a novel by H. Rider Haggard, first serialized in The Graphic from October 1886 to January 1887. ... This character [Ayesha] was supposedly inspired by the Balobedu Rain Queen Mokope Modjadji."
-- from Mokope Modjadji:
"Mokope Modjadji V was the fifth Rain Queen of the Balobedu Tribe in the Limpopo Province of South Africa from 1981 until her death in 2001."
There's obviously something seriously wrong here. One supposes that either 
A) One of the previous Rain Queens was meant (Masalanabo Modjadji? Reigned 1854-1895)
B) The comparison was added to the article as a joke.
Can anybody straighten this out? -- 27 december 2005
: I think you must be right in that a previous Rain Queen was meant. Thank you for detecting the error! Zora 20:43, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  1887 character inspired by 20th-century personage? 

message: Since this article might be reproduced as some future time when She is no longer in print, it is perfectly appropriate to parenthetically date “the present”. —Gamahucheur 11:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  “the present” 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:SHE.jpg

message: At Valeska Surratt, under "Filmography", a 1917 "She" film is mentioned.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.173.47.120 (talk) 12:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmmm, never heard of it... but would be good to get info. I intend to properly expand this article shortly so an extensive adapttion section will be needed. ✽ Familiae Watt§ (TALK) 12:12, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Another film

message: Suggested article outline for revamp:
*Conception and Creation
:-Publication
*Synopsis (holly, leo, Ayesha, Utuna, Job, high priest)
*Genre 
:-fantasy
:-lost world
:-adventure novel
:-Gothic/fin-de-sciele
*Themes
:-Imperialism
:-Racism
:-The New Woman
:-historicity
*Critical interpretation 
:-feminist
*Reception
*Legacy (adaptations)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Junipers Liege (talk • contribs) 05:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revamp 

message: The following is material that was included in the article but with no source or reference. If a reference can be supplied, the information can be worked back in to a relevant section. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 09:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The name Ayesha is mentioned in the actual book, as is the point about it being the name of the wife of Muhammad. However, I am not familiar with the translation as "she-who-lives". If a source can be found for this it may be good to integrate, but otherwise, given the material is part of the actual text, I don't think it needs to be included. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 05:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced material 

message: The following list is that of unsourced material taken from the popular culture section prior to its re-writing.
*Andrew Lang also used She in his 1890 collection Old Friends: Essays in Epistolary Parody, the gimmick of which was it consisted of correspondence between disparate literary characters (for example, Lecoq asks Inspector Bucket to arrest Count Fosco, but instead Mr Pickwick finds himself extradited). In the case of She, Herodotus provides Sophocles with an early description of Ayesha, and Flinders Petrie reports an associated discovery to Holly.
*W. H. Auden poked fun at She with one of his Literary Graffiti (a collections of clerihews):
*The original tiara used by Storm is, quite probably, a reference to the ankh that symbolizes Ayesha's cult in Return of She. Her elemental powers are very similar with the special faculties that were used by Ayesha in the same novel.
The first I do not feel warrants inclusion and is too incidental, but if the others can be sourced they may be worked into the relevant sections and beside relevant material. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 05:56, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture 

message: The following are unsourced statements from the adaptations section:
*A television series titled She was produced by the South African Broadcasting Corporation in the late 1970s or early 1980s.
*There have been several audio adaptations, including at least two from the BBC, the most recent being a Radio 4 broadcast starring Tim McInnerny on 2 and 9 July 2006.
*In 2008 it has been reworked as a rock opera by Clive Nolan, in a project with Agnieszka Swita as Ayesha.
It would be good to reincorporate this material back into the adaptation sections, so please do once the information can be properly sourced. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 03:55, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adaptations 

message: I'm puzzled by this sentence: "It has received praise and criticism alike for its gendered representation of womanhood." What exactly does it mean for a representation of something to be "gendered"? Because womanhood specifically refers to the female gender, can any representation of womanhood not be "gendered"? It just sounds like some sort of LitCrit jargon to me. Can someone translate it into ordinary English, or would it be better just to delete it? — CWesling (talk) 21:22, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: From the lead

message: It says that 83 million copies of the novel have been sold. But these numbers are from 1965, which is soon 50 years ago. Is there really no updated info about how many copies that have been sold? 84.210.17.201 (talk) 12:21, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of copies sold

message: It is long time since I read the book, but I understand since that it is part of the myth of ancient Zimbabwe. At the time the white colonists believed that the stone ruins of Great Zimbabwe were the remains of some ancient civilisation (Greek or Arabic, non-African). All this stuff about the degeneration of the original inhabitants is part of the myths of Ancient Zimbabwe.
The ruins include the hill top cave which is believed to be the site of an oracle, and also the mysterious fire in the story. Also the story refers to the characters communicating with the Africans in "bastard Arabic" which became even more "bastardised" as they went further inland. This is a reference to the Swahili language, which was a form of pidgin Arabic used on the coast, which becomes more Bantu further away from the coast. In Zimbabwe they do not use Swahili, but some of the Bantu words in Ci-shona are similar to Swahili. 
09:22, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Great Zimbabwe

message: In the #Synopsis, paragraph 3, 1st sentence, "the lost city of Kôr".   Kôr redirects to Tolkein's fictional ancient ruin Tirion.  Tolkein had borrowed the name in early editions of one of his more obscure titles, and then, it seems, he thought better of it and renamed his town Tirion (maybe he only intended Kôr as a placeholder).  My point being, Kôr would more usefully be redirected to this article.  Tolkein is arguably more popular today, but Hagger was earlier by several decades, and a best seller of his era.  She the novel was certainly well known to Tolkein; this was no coincidence.
I am not good with redirects and disambig.  I seem to create them by accident, but in trying intentionally, I do more harm than good.  If some kind editor could correct this case of well-intended misdirection, I would be grateful.  ragity (talk) 19:09, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Kôr

message: What is the status of the 1903 novel The King of Kor by Sidney Marshall? It was reprinted in 1978 by Arno Press as a continuation of "She" (that's how the original subtitle identifies it). It was initially self-published by Marshall and is not listed under sequels here. Was it unauthorized? Published fan fiction? 23skidoo (talk) 19:55, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: King of Kor spin-off