Talk:Victoria Falls

message: Victoria Falls (as opposed to Victoria falls) appears to be overwhelmingly the most common English formulation of this name, according to both Google and its entries at Britannica and Encyclopedia.com.  Any particular justification for moving it to "Victoria falls"?  For now I'm being bold and moving it back according to the consensus above, but if anyone has a sourced explanation for why it ought to be here, post a note here and we'll figure it out.  Cheers, --Dvyost 19:25, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite. One doesn't get the same argument for moving the title on the Niagara Falls talk page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.150.18.228 (talk) 08:07, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victoria Falls--why the move? 

message: The part of the Falls I thought was "Devil's cataract" (and have called so in a caption), is named as "Leaping water" under the sub-head "The Falls. It's probably me that's wrong, but anyone know about this? JackyR 14:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Devil's cataract is the official name as per signs in Victoria Falls National Park. Babakathy (talk) 00:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaping water 

message: I believe this goes against NPOV, isnt it a matter of opinion?  Give me insight... --217.129.205.214 19:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article actually says "one of the most spectacular", which is pretty woolly. It's also hard to disagree with given the Falls keep cropping up on naff "seven natural wonders of the world lists" . But yes, true WP style would be, eg, "described by source X as one of the most spectacular...". If you wanna research it - the job's yours! JackyR 23:57, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most Spectular? 

message: The section Victoria_Falls#The_falls currently uses the 'per minute' water flow rate whereas other parts of the article use the 'per second' rate.  Other wikipedia waterfall articles also use 'per second', e.g. Boyoma_Falls and other sites as well, e.g. http://www.world-waterfalls.com/database.php?s=N&t=W&orderby=avevolume&sortLimit=5000.  IIRC, most waterfall articles I've seen use the 'per second' measure.  Maybe the entries in this section should be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaze0010 (talk • contribs) 04:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  water flow units of measure (per second or per minute) 

message: The Esperanto version of this page is the 50,000th Wikipedia article written in that language. --Slgr@ndson (page - messages - contribs) 21:26, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Esperanto milestone 

message: I have been looking at this article with the aim of rectifying the lack of in-line references and expanding the info on how the falls formed, the gorges, and the wildlife. But I’ve come to the conclusion that the article needs a bit of reorganisation. There is duplication, for instance flow rates are in separate paragraphs under ‘The Falls’ and 'Below The Falls’. Secondly, some of the flow rate figures aren’t supported by references from good hydrology sources. The statement ‘During the wet season the falls have over 500 million litres . . of water falling over its crestline each minute’, which is on the UNEP website, is contradicted by this hydrological reference (see Annex 13) which gives a figure one-third of this (and I agree with the comment above that flow rates should be cu m/sec, with cu ft/sec in brackets. The article tries too hard to establish the Falls’ credentials as bigger than Niagara and Iguazu Falls. Lastly many of the measurements are inaccurate eg the height of 128 m/420 ft is contradicted by references which give 108 m/360 ft as the greatest height (Rainbow Falls). I have also checked some of the horizontal distances on Google Earth and come up with some different figures.
I propose this reorganisation:
Introductory section emphasising right up front the three most notable features of the falls, ie size, gorges, wildlife. Then get the ‘world’s largest issue’ out of the way in 2-3 sentences, then give location details. The use these headings/subheadings (latter indicated by indents):
Physical features— Flood and dry season flow rates
The Victoria Falls Gorges
How the Victoria Falls formed 
History of the area 
— Up to 1900
— Since 1900
— Victoria Falls Bridge 
— Tourism
National parks 
— Vegetation
— Fauna
References
External linksRexparry sydney 01:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed expansion and reorganisation 

message: As flagged above, I have revised the article with in-line references, and added material on how the falls formed, on the gorges, on historical backgrounds to tourism at the falls, and on wildlife/vegetation. I have moved some details (such as measurements on the bridge) to that article. I have tried to avoid duplication. If I have not carried over any previous points it may have been because I couldn't find a reference for them, if they are still pertinent please re-instate; and accept apologies. I have not put in a lot of specific information about visitor facilities because this changes, and is quite well covered on the websites of the Zambia & Zimbabwe tourist boards listed at the top of external links. Rexparry sydney 10:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revisions and additions made, 11 March. 

message: Hi, I'm working with The Pulitzer Center, a non-profit journalism agency geared towards providing audience to underrepresented news stories.  I'd like to link this page to a related articles on the Pulitzer site; http://www.pulitzercenter.org/openitem.cfm?id=173 concerning environmental issues at the Falls,  Please let me know if I can post these links.  Many thanks in advance. Blendus 00:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Link

message: I have uploaded a victoria falls video to wikimedia commons. File name is Smoke_that_thunders_victoria_falls_1.ogg. Please add it to this article. Uttam H — Preceding undated comment added 12:13, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video 

message: Text is hiding behind the table and video, but I don't know how this can be corrected. Myriam  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.212.29.67 (talk) 12:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flood and dry season flow rates 

message: A couple of times recently edits have been made by anonymous users claiming that Voortrekker (Boer) hunters visited the falls before Livingstone and were the first white people to see them. There is no written evidence for this, whereas there are ample documents for Livingstone's visit and that is why he is credited by academic geographers and historians as having 'discovered the falls for western science'. Furthermore numerous authors have addressed the question, and in particular the claims by or for:
*Karel Trichardt in 1838
*Jan Viljoen, Erasmus Jacobs and Engelbrecht Viljoen, 1851
*W H Pretorius and Stoffel Snyman in 1855.
In 1939 the Afrikaaner author Servaas Le Roux wrote "Pioneers and Sportsmen of South Africa 1760-1890" (Salisbury, S. Rhodesia, 1939, published by the author and printed by The Art Printing Works). Le Roux's purpose was to highlight the discoveries of Afrikaaners, but on p119 he wrote: "I have no hesitation in saying, after many years of careful investigation of the claims of all the possible visitors to the Falls before Livingstone, that there are no grounds whatsoever for believing that anyone but Livingstone was the first European to see them". So I suggest that if anyone else wants to put in any material claiming DL was not the first European at the falls they should first put it here on the talk page saying who, when and what the reference is so that it can be discussed before being put in the article. Rexparry sydney 12:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputes on Livingstone being first European to see the falls 

message: Do your own research! Wikipedia is not your personal on-demand information source. If it's there, it's there. If not, find it and put it there. People like this contribute to Wikipedia's lack of general acceptance by many members of academia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.212.232.245 (talk) 00:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To the idiot who said 'PLZZZ ADD CLIMATE' 

message: The latitude and longitude coordinates are very useful, but the depiction of a location within a larger context is valuable, as well.  Thanks to anyone that can help with this.  HomeBuilding 70.130.33.25 (talk) 21:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Continental/Country maps to locate features 

message: I suggest incorporating the media withn the article itself like the pictures rather than having a section all by itself    Juthani1   tcs  23:14, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media section 

message: like in a barrel or whatever?  TCO (talk) 04:20, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  has anyone gone over it and lived? 

message: The Old drift link links to a page about glacial morainic landscapes not about the Geographic location in Zimbabwe or Zambia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lkingscott (talk • contribs) 07:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old drift link 

message: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the tallest waterfall by far is Angel Falls since it is one kilometer tall. According to the table in this page, Iguazu is longer and sees a larger flow. So, where does the claim of "The Largest in the World" come from? Javierggt (talk) 20:58, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. The article has some rationalizations for it, but I'm not sure they hold water. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's the biggest single, coherant drop (Niagara and Iguazu are divided), and has the highest volume for such a waterfall (Angel Falls has only a fraction).Jasper Deng (talk) 23:55, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Given those qualifications, it would qualify. Angel and Niagara obviously do not, no matter how you slice it. Angel is tallest, but it's just a creek spilling over a high ledge. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Largest in the World??? 

message: The Old drift link links to a page about glacial morainic landscapes not about the Geographic location in Zimbabwe or Zambia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lkingscott (talk • contribs) 07:38, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Babakathy (talk) 13:59, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old drift link 

message: No one bothered to mention Elijah wood on this page, and yet on his own bio page...states he crossed the victoria falls. 
Majinsnake (talk) 14:15, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Even with a reliable source I don't see why this is worth including. Zarcadia (talk) 22:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If there was widespread coverage I could see including this in a section similar to Niagara Falls#Walks. --NeilN talk to me 23:56, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elijah wood 

message: I was browsing google earth and browsed the 360 images of the Zambia side of the east end of the falls.  It showed that during low river levels there may be caves in the cliff but that it may not be possible to get to those caves.  anybody care to comment on this?  are they caves or simply dark squarish, smooth lined spots on the side of the cliffs?  these spots have perfect right angles, straight sides and top/bottoms leading one to think they were carved out and not from natural erosion patterns.
24.29.193.138 (talk) 23:27, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  caves in the falls? 

message: There are paragraphs without citations in the following sections:
* Size
* Formation
* Pre-colonial history
* Zambia's independence and Rhodesia's UDI
* Tourism in recent years
Please add references before removing the maintenance tag. Thanks. —howcheng  {chat} 18:06, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  this article needs more references 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This addition is really interesting. I've been trying without success to source it, and I've tagged its first sentence in the meantime. I found several good sources, including a couple of PDFs 1 2, and this article, which is detailed and seems sensible (I'm not quite sure it's an RS), but I was unable to verify the content per se. Pinging User:Lumos3. Do you have a reference we could add? RivertorchFIREWATER 03:41, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added some sources.The main story is in the Botswana governments tourist guide, and this is backed up by scholarly journals.   Lumos3 (talk) 11:21, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing of paragraph on drainage history 

message: It is already stated near the top of the lede that the falls are located on the border between Zambia and Zimbabwe. I suggest "Border between Zambia and Zimbabwe" is a reasonable description for the location parameter in the infobox.   signed, Willondon (talk)  18:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I recommend to use this article as source for location: Makuvaza, S. 2012. Who Owns the Special Area at Victoria Falls World Heritage Site? Political, Organizational and Governmental Interests. The Historic Environment: Policy & Practice 3(1): 42-63. – BhagyaMani (talk) 08:19, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of Victoria Falls