Talk:Madeleine (cake)

message: Excuse me, but where is the article about the cartoon and movie?
"Twelve girls in two straight lines, the smallest one was Madeleine..." They lived in a boarding school of sorts, the headmistress was Miss Clavel. Pepito, an ambassador's son, was a next-door neighbor. I'm having trouble finding articles about them all. Can anyone help? --Shultz IV 13:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're having trouble finding articles about them because you're spelling her name incorrectly. It's Madeline not Madeleine. Guermantes 14:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Madeline

message: User:Guermantes has removed or altered the disambiguation link at the article's top numerous times. It currently reads (after my revert of the last edit):
If you're looking for the 12 little girls in two straight lines, the smallest one was Madeline.
I'm not sure why this link is inadequate, but I'd like to see a discussion before we throw out a valid edit. The current version, while perhaps a little cute, is clearly referring to the character Madeline. Either way, there must be a disambiguation link at the article's top; this is the standard Wikipedia method of disambiguating two articles with similar titles. | Mr. Darcy talk 20:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not delete it a second time; I made it more informative by listing the author of the book. (The one you reverted to is not in the proper tone for an encyclopedia entry and will confuse people unfamiliar with the subject.) Did you even look at my edit? I suggest you do so before accusing someone unjustly. I deleted it the first time because the names are spelled and pronounced differently, and did not think the issue was "ambiguous". Guermantes 21:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we've reached a compromise; this may work for all three of us- If you're looking for the 12 little girls in two straight lines, the smallest one was Madeline, the children's book by Ludwig Bemelmans. --Shultz IV 23:25, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is fine with me, but should it say something like "character" instead of "children's book," since there are film/TV adaptations as well? | Mr. Darcy talk 02:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation link

message: "Madeleines are perhaps most famous outside France for their association with involuntary memory in Marcel Proust's".  Could we get a citation for this?  Cuz, um, I think madeleines are most famous outside France in bakeries not in some obscure French novel.  Is someone just trying to push Marcel Proust recently?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.171.76.140 (talk • contribs) 23:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your ignorance is showing. Try reading the external link - or even google the words Proust and Madeleine - to see that Proust's connection to madeleines pervades the international psyche. 70.17.161.243 11:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course if you google both Proust and Madeleine together, pages containing both Proust and Madeleine will come up. But Proust didn't introduce the madeleine to the world! He just simply mentions it. That's all. Who cares except for people who like Proust. It has no meaning for anybody else who don't know Proust but enjoys pastries. It is like taking a quote from one of your favorite author/celebrity/personality about any subject and saying that it is "the most famous association" for that subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.171.76.139 (talk • contribs) 23:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um... Proust and his madeleines are very famous.  Very very very famous.  It's not a case of someone plugging their favorite obscure author, it's arguably one of the most famous scenes in modern literature.  (It is taking every bit of my strength to refrain from quoting the Peter Cook Proust/miners sketch.)  An analogy: James Joyce fans call June 16 "Bloomsday".  Would you argue that the Wiki pedia entry for June 16 has no business mentioning that, because no one cares except Joyce fans? Nightsky 20:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can mention it all you want. The objection is that you claim "the world" associates madeleines with Proust.  Which "world" are you talking about?  Joyce fans don't say "June 16 is best known to the world all over as Bloomsday". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.171.76.140 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Are you sure?

message: The items pictured in the image captioned "Madeleines" are not madeleines but plain cupcakes. I have (with an embedded explanatory remark) commented the image out of the article and left a note on the image talk page.  The remaining image is indeed a madeleine pan.  Athænara  ✉ 02:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In Spain, cupcakes are said "magdalenas" (sg. magdalena) and madeleines aren't easily found and haven't any special name.  Perhaps this is the reason someone has included the image of a cupcake.  Sergio Macías  ✉ 10:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. In Switzerland, these sweets (with lemon taste, paper shells, etc., as pictured and described) are indeed called Magdalenas  or madeleines . The photographer of the image (from Brazil, I believe) also tagged it with "madeleine" and "madalenas". Too, they don't look like the other images of cupcakes that Commons has to me - more like the madeleines that the article describes. But maybe there is some language problem here? Sandstein 19:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Madeleines as described in the article are pictured here.  The pattern on the surface, resembling the grooves in the shell of a scallop, shows that these madeleines have been turned over, bottom side up, while still resting on the pan in which they were baked.  –Æ.  ✉ 00:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: An image of the real thing, :Image:Madeleines de Commercy.jpg from Wikipedia Commons, was contributed today.  — Athænara   ✉  19:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image in article

message: How do you pronounce Madeleine? 98.14.15.12 (talk) 00:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation 

message: A few years ago someone suggested that the "world's" association between madeleines and Proust needed a citation.  Now the article says "Madeleines are perhaps most famous outside France for..." this association.
This definitely still needs a citation.  I know the Proust reference, but I certainly don't think about Proust when I bake or eat madeleines.  I had been eating madeleines long before I had ever heard of Proust.
They are available in most American supermarkets these days, and I guarantee you that 99% of people who buy them not only don't know of the Proust connection but also haven't ever heard of Proust.  I have professional baking cookbooks which have recipes for madeleines, but no mention of Proust.  After I saw this article, I took an informal poll among over a dozen Ivy League friends in Ph.D. programs in the humanities (none of them in literature, though), and only a couple made an association between madeleines and Proust, but almost all of them knew what madeleines are.
Is the passage "famous"?  In some sense, yes.  Should it be mentioned here?  Probably.  Proust's passage had some impact in the popularization of the madeleine initially, but now that the cookies/cakes are available to people outside the elite folks who read Proust (or at least pretend they do), this connection is much less prominent.  A Google poll gives me over 4600 results for "madeleine cookies" but only about 800 for "madeleine cookies" + proust.  ("Madeleine cakes" seems to have a closer connection to Proust in Google results, because madeleines are in fact cakes -- the fact that there are 3 times as many results for cookies over cakes already seems to say something...)
If the Proust section stays, it needs to clarify the historical importance of the connection.  It's like the Earl of Sandwich in the "sandwich" article.  The reason anyone started eating madeleines outside of France may be because of Proust, but that doesn't explain why the cookies are now ubiquitous.  The reason they are now "famous" and available in most supermarkets is probably because they taste good and people buy them.
The Proust connection is perhaps fun trivia, but the idea that most people these days who eat madeleines outside of France have any clue about Proust sounds a bit ridiculous to me.65.96.161.79 (talk) 03:45, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and of course, it might be notable that some Proust scholars now think that Proust's madeleine was made up (or at least inauthentic), since it doesn't appear to have the properties of normal madeleines (namely, madeleines don't produce crumbs when soaked in tea).65.96.161.79 (talk) 04:07, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proust again 

message: Proust is one thing, but this random reference to Madeleines on an album is pretty absurd, in my opinion. Does anyone have a good reason for preserving this reference? Thanks. larz (talk) 08:20, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Pet Shop Boys reference

message: The "Main ingredients" list currently says "Flour, sugar, eggs, almonds or other nuts" -- no butter mentioned.
However, the included recipe (in "First recipes") and the linked recipe (wikibooks) have considerable butter:
Included recipe: On a pound of flour, you need a pound of butter, eight egg whites & yolks, three fourths of a pound of fine sugar . . .
Linked recipe: 
* 4 eggs
* 100 g sugar
* 1 pinch of salt
* 100 g all-purpose flour
* 1 teaspoon baking powder
* grated zest of 1 lemon
* 75 g melted butter
I'm not in a position to comment on the almonds, which is in neither recipe, but could butter at least be added to the list of main ingredients? Marcusreese (talk) 18:49, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Ingredients 

message: There is a variaty of chocolate named as "Madeleine Chocolate". Name is probably dervied from the cake or the madeleine palette. It is widely available from so many manufacturers, for example
melodicikolata[.]com[/]kategori[/]madlen-cikolata
godiva[.]com[.]tr[/]collections[/]madlen-cikolata
It might be mentioned in the article or a new article about  "Madeleine Chocolate" might be opened. 31.206.143.156 (talk) 13:53, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madeleine (chocolate)