Talk:History of Italy

message: As regards the "18 transitional and final dispositions": there are both transitional and final dispositions, therefore it would be better not to delete the word final. --Panairjdde 08:05, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Dispositions

message: The article was split but no overview article is left so I nominated it for COTW Falphin 15:31, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Split

message: I suggest that History of Italy as a monarchy and in the World Wars be merged into this article (History of Italy). History of Italy as a monarchy and in the World Wars details the entire history of the nation-state Italy from it's birth in 1861 to the end of the world war in 1945. History of Italy briefly mentions the birth of the nation-state, and has some text about origins of culture and name, and a small note on the fascist government and current EU membership. The History of Italy article should be more detailed, and this article's existence strikes me as odd. What do you think? --Jobjörn 10:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging 

message: Under a proposal made by me, the pages Patrician and Patricianship -- whose names presently are not specific enough -- will be renamed as follows:
* Patrician → Patricians (Ancient Rome)
* Patricianship → Patricians (Middle Ages)
(I dropped an earlier proposal for merging the two pages.)
For the rationale for renaming the pages and a couple of associated other changes, as well as the opinions of user:Johnbod, please see the discussion page at Talk:Patricianship.
My question is, do people here support my renaming proposal, or if not support it, at least would not oppose it.
Thanks in advance for all replies--Goodmorningworld (talk) 14:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your input requested: Patrician/Patricianship 

message: The people of italy ued a lot of tools and liked thier towers and sites, they all love their music and acting they invented pizza and pasta an they loved other food aswell.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.171.129.69 (talk) 20:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The features 

message: I'm making the article longer for the following reasons:
* It was too short for a topic so vast, especially compared to other nations.
* Less detail than the Italy history section.
* Set out badly
--Theologiae (talk) 16:16, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm making it longer 

message: It might seem pedantic, but I changed "Mid" in the above heading to "High". I've never heard of the "mid Middle Ages", it looked silly.Uncle Bunyip (talk) 14:02, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The Early, Mid and Late Middle Ages

message: I have removed the following section as it seems to be too muddled to stand. (It turns out that it had been cut and pasted from History of Italy (1559–1814), so I shall remove it from there, too.)
===Science and Art[1]===
The peninsula was not influenced by the Reformation,[2] but Italy did contribute to the Enlightenment; it produced examples of enlightened absolutism[3] and intellectuals such as Galileo Galilei[4] and Antonio Genovesi[5]. Enlightened despots ruled in the conservative Papal states,[6] and reformist movements existed in conservative Venice.[7]
Following the Renaissance, painting saw Mannerism evolve into Expressionism, with major Italian artists such as Caravaggio.[8]
:[1] Most of this section is not about science and art.
:[2] Italy was profoundly influenced by the Catholic Reformation, which was in great part a response to the Protestant Reformation.
:[3] Examples needed. Are we talking about the Grand Duchy of Tuscany, for instance? And, if so, in what sense did Italy ‘produce’ Leopold II?
:[4] Are we suggesting that Galileo was a figure of the Age of Enlightenment?
:[5] Did Genovesi make a substantial contribution to the Enlightenment? Anyway he needs a gloss: I will not be the only reader so ignorant as never to have heard of him. (Cesare Beccaria of Milan and his treatise On Crimes and Punishments would seem a more obvious choice of an Italian contribution to the Enlightenment—and could probably be linked to Tuscany being the first state anywhere to abolish the death penalty.)
:[6] Obviously Popes ruled the Papal states. Which ones were the enlightened despots?
:[7] No doubt that is true, but it is far too rhetorical and uninformative without an example.
:[8] What?!
Ian Spackman (talk) 21:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problematic sub-section of ''Foreign domination (1559 to 1814)'' 

message: The peninsula was not influenced by the Reformation,[2] but Italy did contribute to the Enlightenment; it produced examples of enlightened absolutism[3] and intellectuals such as Galileo Galilei[4] and Antonio Genovesi[5]. Enlightened despots ruled in the conservative Papal states,[6] and reformist movements existed in conservative Venice.[7]
Following the Renaissance, painting saw Mannerism evolve into Expressionism, with major Italian artists such as Caravaggio.[8]
:[1] Most of this section is not about science and art.
:[2] Italy was profoundly influenced by the Catholic Reformation, which was in great part a response to the Protestant Reformation.
:[3] Examples needed. Are we talking about the Grand Duchy of Tuscany, for instance? And, if so, in what sense did Italy ‘produce’ Leopold II?
:[4] Are we suggesting that Galileo was a figure of the Age of Enlightenment?
:[5] Did Genovesi make a substantial contribution to the Enlightenment? Anyway he needs a gloss: I will not be the only reader so ignorant as never to have heard of him. (Cesare Beccaria of Milan and his treatise On Crimes and Punishments would seem a more obvious choice of an Italian contribution to the Enlightenment—and could probably be linked to Tuscany being the first state anywhere to abolish the death penalty.)
:[6] Obviously Popes ruled the Papal states. Which ones were the enlightened despots?
:[7] No doubt that is true, but it is far too rhetorical and uninformative without an example.
:[8] What?!
Ian Spackman (talk) 21:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Science and Art[1]

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Luwian_language#.22Luwian.22_place_names_in_Italy  Böri (talk) 11:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Luwian" place names in Italy 

message: "The Socialist Period was marked by corruption, government instability, poverty, continued depravity in southern Italy, and use of authoritarian measures by the Italian government."
What the heck does "continued depravity" intend to mean?  This is really vague and much too subjective.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.248.24.164 (talk) 19:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That entire section seems based on a single source, and it might have an anti-socialist point of view (or the Italian socialists were as bad as we claim; I don't know either way). Anyway, that "depravity" can't be understood; I'll remove it. Huon (talk) 20:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Italy became a nation-state belatedly—on 17 March 1861, when most of the states of the peninsula were united under king Victor Emmanuel II of the House of Savoy, which ruled over Piedmont. The architects of Italian unification were Count Camillo Benso di Cavour, the Chief Minister of Victor Emmanuel, and Giuseppe Garibaldi, a general and national hero. In 1866 Prussian Prime Minister Otto von Bismarck offered Victor Emmanuel II an alliance with the Kingdom of Prussia in the Austro-Prussian War. In exchange Prussia would allow Italy to annex Austrian-controlled Venice. King Emmanuel agreed to the alliance and the Third Italian War of Independence began. The victory against Austria allowed Italy to annex Venice. The one major obstacle to Italian unity remained Rome.
Just say Italy was unified in 1861 and link to unification of Italy. If it's possible for the Triumvirate, I don't see why it shouldn't be for the Kingdom of Italy. WP:SS.
--dab (𒁳) 17:33, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear 

message: First, the claim of being the largest "collection"  isn't backed up by the official website or our article Rock art Natural reserve of Ceto, Cimbergo and Paspardo although Rock Drawings in Valcamonica does say it's one of the largest.
The date has no source - dating petroglyphs isn't easy.
The glyphs themselves, according to the description at :File:Antropomorfi chiamati "Astronauti" - Zurla R 1 - Nadro.jpg, are "recently white coloured (probably plaster)." so do not reflect their original state. Dougweller (talk) 16:10, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mesolithic petroglyph in Valcamonica, Lombardy. The largest collection of prehistoric petroglyphs in the world (10th millennium BC). 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I've noted that the narration of the Italian history ends with the formation of the new government. Italian media and people are now commonly using the locution "Terza Repubblica" (3rd Republic) to indicate the distinction of this new political period from the past First Repubblica (historic parties like DC PCI PSI MSI and so on) and Second Republic (Berlusconi vs Anti-Berlusconi age). I don't know if this is a recentism, but the spread of the M5S and the transformation of LN in a national-spread party led to the end of the 2nd Republic.--5.170.121.199 (talk) 22:43, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  3rd Republic? 

message: this article contains promotion zionism propaganda.  what the history of italy have to do with the state of Isreal ? and why Isreal not Frence Spain or Libya? do you know that during the Roman Empire isreal did not exist,  so this reference to Isreal is irrelevant. 
Despite its military strength, the Empire made few efforts to expand its already vast extent; the most notable being the conquest of Britain, begun by emperor Claudius (47), and emperor Trajan's conquest of Dacia (101–102, 105–106). In the 1st and 2nd century, Roman legions were also employed in intermittent warfare with the Germanic tribes to the north and the Parthian Empire to the east. Meanwhile, armed insurrections (e.g. the Hebraic insurrection in Judea) (70) and brief civil wars (e.g. in 68 CE the year of the four emperors) demanded the legions' attention on several occasions. The seventy years of Jewish–Roman wars in the second half of the 1st century and the first half of the 2nd century were exceptional in their duration and violence.[40] An estimated 1,356,460 Jews were killed as a result of the First Jewish Revolt;[41] the Second Jewish Revolt (115–117) led to the death of more than 200,000 Jews;[42] and the Third Jewish Revolt (132–136) resulted in the death of 580,000 Jewish soldiers.[43] The Jewish people never recovered until the creation of the state of Israel in 1948.[44]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carnegie6 (talk • contribs) 18:37, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roman Empire 

message: I ask IP 79.19.97.41 to discuss their disputed edits  here rather than edit warring. Removing an unreliable source is one thing (let's discuss if it's really unreliable here). But these edits go far beyond that. You've changed facts and figures without providing a source, and you've removed whole paragraphs of apparently well sourced information. Generalrelative (talk) 13:59, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Noting here that this appears to be the continuation of a pattern by a few different Italian IPs. If the edit warring and unsourced changes continue, we may need page protection. Generalrelative (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is made up of SOURCES. Sources are selected for reliability; therefore academic and university texts have PRECEDENCE over tourist texts. It doesn't seem difficult to understand. Several users before me have reported the problem. A NEUTRAL point of view is essential. Personal points of view are defined as Pov:are respected but they are not source for wikipedia, otherwise it turns into a blog.--87.3.99.99 (talk) 14:19, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, but these edits didn't just remove the information sourced to the National Geographic travel guide; they replaced it with totally unsourced information. For instance, changing  (sourced to NastGeo) to  These edits also removed the "Nuragic civilization" header, and removed three paragraphs of apparently well sourced information sourced to , , , , and . Generalrelative (talk) 14:27, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The changes are many. This one you have just taken into consideration is easy to understand: the page is dedicated to the History of Italy and not only to the History of Sardinia. Those contents are reported in the appropriate pages dedicated to Sardinia and its history. The page talks about the topic. With regard to "National Geographic travel guide", not a trusted source for wikipedia. It's not hard to understand--87.3.99.99 (talk) 14:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone changed the first line to "The European country of Italy has been inhabited by humans since at least 850,000 years ago." That should say hominins or else humans arrived half a million years before they even existed. 109.144.18.172 (talk) 12:26, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed removals and unsourced changes 

message: At over 21k words of readable prose, this article is too long to read comfortably. It would be beneficial to condense and/or migrate content to subarticles to make this one more readable. See WP:TOOBIG. Complex and multifaceted topics are meant to be – and in many cases are – covered by summary style articles with more detailed child articles expanding on subtopics. Also, a discussion that has begun and not yet concluded is by definition "ongoing"; please don't remove tags without addressing issues. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:40, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem cannot be fixed. In my opinion, this information should be left in this article for completeness of information, and by moving it to secondary articles we would force the reader to go continuously on other articles, making it difficult for him to read. --LukeWiller (talk) 08:26, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with LukeWiller. There are enough sections to help find particular information, if required. Denisarona (talk) 08:34, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Length

message: In , the article cites a book Mycenaeans in Early Latium, but nowhere even so much as mentions anything about Mycenaeans in Italy. Weird. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 20:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mycenaean presence