Talk:Leo Komarov

message: Apparently, silent consensus has been given for "Narva, Estonia" at Rfc & thus here. Who am I? to stand alone against Baltic revionism. GoodDay (talk) 00:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no such silent consensus for that. The RfC clearly rejected that. What is being discussed is a compromise solution. Your changes were all just pointy edits. Please just step back from the situation and take a breath. -DJSasso (talk) 11:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Right now, for the sake of peace, agreement at something seems even more important than what is agreed upon. Hence, I suggest DJSasso to follow GoodDay's balanced decision and behaviour and not to whip up strife again.--Jaan Pärn (talk) 12:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And again not whipping up strife, suggesting we work on the compromise. But you targeting a specific editor is of course whipping up strife. -DJSasso (talk) 13:07, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Silent consensus at related Rfc?

message: It appears WP:HOCKEY members cannot even follow their own guideline at Template:Infobox ice hockey player, which requires a valid ISO_3166-1 country code, and there is now no current country code for the Soviet Union. For the umpteenth time, Template:Infobox person requires a country that held sovereignty over the place of birth and it is a fact that the Soviet Union failed to acquire that sovereignty, nor is there any consensus for it. --Nug (talk) 20:09, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The template does not say it has to be a current country code. It links to the country code page as well, not the ISO 3166-1 page. So based on the consensus that has emerged at the many forums this has been opened at if we are using country codes then we would be using SUN as that was the country code off the Soviet Union at the time of birth. -DJSasso (talk) 20:30, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

text: I love the disingenuous hypocrisy of this complaint. I am curious where you read that an ISO 3166-1 code is required, Nug? But if you like, we can certainly discuss changing to SUN as DJSasso suggests. Resolute 22:37, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: SUN isn't a valid country code, it is obsolete and in few years time it will be available for reuse. --Nug (talk) 11:11, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Very well.  Your objection, and implied support for USSR, is noted. Resolute 13:07, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I never implied such support. ISO 3166-1 is the best know country code, or is there a special one for ice hockey ;) It is evident that WP:HOCKEY members seemingly have difficulty abiding by WP:HOCKEY's own style guide for using country codes.,,.  --Nug (talk) 19:32, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: No consensus

message: It appears as though we already have a compromise in this article. We've got Estonian born player in the content & Narva, Estonian SSR, Soviet Union in the infobox. GoodDay (talk) 15:39, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The RFC was closed with no consensus achieved for your preferred form, are you now going to change back to the form of birth place that has WP:EDITCONCENSUS in WP:ESTONIA BLPs and has been stable in this article since 2007? --Nug (talk) 19:43, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As Ymblanter told you: "I am afraid you have difficulties discriminating between no consensus and your way. No consensus means precisely that no rule has been established." -sche (talk) 19:53, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the Rfc has expired, we'll have to go on an article-by-article basis. GoodDay (talk) 20:04, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Which means we use the birth place as indicated in most RS. Until that we follow WP:NOCONSENSUS.  Jaan Pärn (talk) 20:06, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

text: PS: Seeing as there's only a handful of hockey bio articles-in-question, the process won't be too gruelling. GoodDay (talk) 20:10, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You should read WP:NOCONSENSUS :"In discussions of proposals to add, modify or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit." As far as I can see that is only applicable to this one article. --Nug (talk) 20:13, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

text: PPS: I believe -sche, there's roughly over 20 such articles. GoodDay (talk) 20:16, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't disruptively edit these other articles to make a WP:POINT. --Nug (talk) 20:20, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Compromise before our eyes?

message: The Rfc is closed, this article's protection has expired & the fight has been re-started by Nug. GoodDay (talk) 20:36, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The RFC was closed no consensus, per WP:NOCONSENSUS :"In discussions of proposals to add, modify or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit." Please stop this disruptive behaviour. --Nug (talk) 20:41, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You knew that you'd likely get a reaction, if you made that change. Why couldn't you leave well enough 'alone'. GoodDay (talk) 20:44, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sincerely, what is so confusing about WP:NOCONSENSUS? Perhaps we can help to explain?  Jaan Pärn (talk) 07:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:CIVIL, no comment. GoodDay (talk) 13:23, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

text: No consensus exists for it. --Nug (talk) 22:50, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Here we go again

message: I have removed "Komarov is the first person born in Estonia to play in the NHL" from the lede, as it is unsourced, and I was unable to find a reliable source. It is also not mentioned in the body of the article.176.1.212.131 (talk) 05:03, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced claim in the lede removed

message: :Category:Olympic ice hockey players of Finland
:Category:Ice hockey players at the 2014 Winter Olympics
Joeykai (talk) 13:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: , non-controversial--Ymblanter (talk) 13:52, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 15 February 2014 

message: :Category:Medalists at the 2014 Winter Olympics
:Category:Olympic bronze medalists for Finland
:Category:Olympic medalists in ice hockey
Joeykai (talk) 18:12, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: this one as well.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:09, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 22 February 2014 

message: So was his father Russian or Karelian?  The references do not match.  Certainly his father was a Soviet citizen, but it appears that a Karelian rather than a Russian. Tomh009 (talk) 02:26, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parents 

message: Standard practice is to list the nation as it existed at the time of an individual's birth. That gets messy with Estonia. Do we call it Estonia, as a de jure status of independence was maintained, or do we call it the Soviet Union, because it was a de facto part of the USSR? —C.Fred (talk) 22:35, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Consensus at WP:HOCKEY is quite clear, concerning Baltic born players. We use the Soviet Union as the birth and/or death place in these ice hockey player bios, for these situations. Note, there's a related ongoing ANI report, concerning this topic. GoodDay (talk) 22:46, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oy, the Estonia situation 

message: Komarov currently plays for Luleå Hockey in SHL JohellePrime (talk) 18:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a reliable source for that? —C.Fred (talk) 19:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playing team