Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Go

message: No mention was made on the project page :(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Irish_Go_Association#Irish_Go_Association --ZincBelief (talk) 22:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish Go Association - deletion proposed 

message: Hiya. There exists a   , which I guess one can add into the 
"== See also ==" section of Go articles. (Use a    after it, for neater inter-section breaks.)
But, how come there's not a  Portal:Go , even though there's a Portal:Chess, 
and the latter enjoys great prominence on the Portal:Strategy games page ?! Trafford09 (talk) 14:51, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the people interested in editing Go articles have become disinterested. I find editing wikipedia pretty tedious these days. I remember Charles Matthews suggested a Go Portal years ago, but nothing came of it.--ZincBelief (talk) 12:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Go should definitely be included somewhere in the strategy portal, especially since the main game article is pretty good these days. Steven Walling 16:07, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Creating Portal:Go seems a perfectly reasonable idea. There will probably be points arising as soon as there is some definite content. But that is probably a good thing; general points about articles linked to from the portal can be brought here, while detailed discussion of exactly what the portal should contain should probably remain on its talk page. Thanks for raising the idea. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portal: Strategy games: Chess but not Go - Grrr! 

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message: Hi,
Is anyone interested in making a push from taking Go from B class status to GA status? The article has a review a while ago, failed on a few small points, and has undergone some work since to address the issues raised. I've noticed a complete lack of interest recently to do anything of substance.--ZincBelief (talk) 13:56, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. A highly-commendable goal, and good luck with your efforts (& hopefully others'). I'd like to help, but am behind in my own targets (see above). Trafford09 (talk) 11:41, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Morning WikiProject 

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Thank you, Trafford09 (talk) 12:19, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that deletionist-cod-clown again--ZincBelief (talk) 13:56, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed deletion of the IGS Go server article 

message: An article on Go player Ko Reibun has been listed at articles for deletion -- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ko Reibun.  Informed opinions about this person would be appreciated. -- Whpq (talk) 18:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a reliable source at Gobase: http://gobase.org/information/players/?pp=Ko%20Reibun . The Gobase site should be counted as a reliable source for biographical purposes. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:30, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

text: Also a mention on http://www.gogod.co.uk/NewInGo/Overseas_1.htm (NB also called Kong Lingwen). The GoGod site by John Fairbairn is to be considered authoritative. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

text: Here's his official page at the Nihon Kiin: http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/player/htm/ki000360.htm . It does show he studied under Kikuchi. There are enough sources on this player. Charles Matthews (talk) 19:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I suggest you provide this information at the AFD discussion. -- Whpq (talk) 20:32, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ko Reibun at AFD 

message: Ko Iso, a Go player, has been nominated for deletion based on a lack of reliable sources for a biography of a living person, and issues with notability.  Informed opinions at the discussion would be welcome. -- Whpq (talk) 17:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ko Iso at AFD 

message: Hi! I think it could be very useful for us to have a section or subpage about which project members are working on what things. That way, people could tell at a glance what's being worked on and what isn't. If people wanted to work on a specific thing, they could see who else is working on the same thing and collaborate with them. What do you guys think? --Tanner Swett (talk) 17:51, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A who's-doing-what section or subpage 

message: See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Board_and_table_games#Biographies and people in categories 
I am hoping to build guidelines for notability criteria for what makes someone notable in the games field i.e. Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Curling. Especially games players that I feel needs to have a section similar to the sports and athletes. An example of a question that has just arisen is does winning the first scrabble world championship count as just WP:Oneevent. Combined contribution issues also need defining.
The other conversation is do we want to have category inclusion criteria does a certain threshold need to be met before we add someone to :Category:Chess players. Should Ben Afleck count as a poker player?Tetron76 (talk) 15:09, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Biographies and people in categories

message: Hi all.  Just in case - like me - you didn't spot the following deletion. 
Until today, there existed an article Shusaku number. It was deleted as described here:
: "This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.  
:: 02:08, 17 May 2011 Athaenara (Talk | contribs) deleted "Shusaku number" ‎ 
:: (WP:PROD: Nominated for seven days with no objection: reason was "non-notable, no sources". 
:: More at User talk:Aditsu.)".
Is there any view as to whether the article merits a case for reinstatement? Trafford09 (talk) 07:31, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put in a request for undeletion.  I think it's a concept worth mentioning on Wikipedia.  However, the old page (still visible through Google's cache) would need some serious work: just compare it with Erdős number for example.  For a start, it would be good to find a second source for the article (does it get a mention in an issue of Go World or Go Review magazine somewhere?) Jowa fan (talk) 08:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's kind of very marginal for the encyclopedia, though. A PROD deletion means it can be brought back at any time. I doubt that there are serious references, but of course there might be. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:34, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, finding another good source is less easy than I thought.  I searched through Go World Archive and GoGoD and didn't come up with anything.  There is a mention at Small world experiment, but that itself doesn't seem completely reliable.  And there's this intriguing book.  On the other hand, the idea of "Shusaku number" shouldn't be any less notable than Morphy number. Jowa fan (talk) 13:17, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I could ask John Fairbairn, I suppose, what sort of network concepts the Japanese actually might use. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shusaku Number 

message: Update: The article has been reinstated - but only temporarily.  Views pro- or anti-deletion can now be posted at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shusaku_number. Trafford09 (talk) 13:11, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nominated for deletion 

message: A tag has been placed on Sensei's Library (SL), by an editor who considers that it 'may not meet the general notability guideline', meaning that the article may in the worst case scenario be deleted.
I realise that SL is large & important across the Go continents, and is referenced from 21 other WP articles. 
Hence, to me it seems very notable. 
I note that SL's notability has been questioned & discussed in previous years & survived. 
What are other editors' opinions, please? Trafford09 (talk) 23:08, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: SL is a good wiki, though in my opinion it would be better if, over the years, it had learned more from WP about how to write reference material. The point here, really, is to what extent it gets recognition from go associations, or in the literature. Charles Matthews (talk) 14:27, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I see the person who nominated this for deletion was banned from wikipedia. Snarf Snarf. ZincBelief (talk) 15:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Referenced by some 40 articles as of 2019-06-27. PJTraill (talk) 09:33, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability tag on Sensei's Library 

message: I'm thinking yose should be merged into Go terms. I don't think there is enough to be said about it to merit an entire article and that it is appropriate in the Go terms article. While I'm at it I could cleanup the several redirects as well. There are only 12 articles linking to it and 2 of them are redirects. If I don't get a response on this for a few days I will go ahead and do it without one.
:You should go ahead and do it I think. It's not a very well-referenced stub, and can probably be edited down into a section of Go terms. Steven Walling • talk  06:36, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. PatheticCopyEditor (talk) 06:30, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging yose into Go terms 

message: There is an ongoing discussion on the Go (game) talk page and I'd like to solicit input from editors of Wikiproject Go.  The discussion regards the proper capitalization of White and Black in the article on Go. Coastside (talk) 16:57, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It has since been archived (here), and the conclusion was to continue the capitalisation, mainly since it is common in many Go sources. PJTraill (talk) 09:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Capitalization of white and black

message: There is a section on the Project page concerning how strong a professional player should be, to merit inclusion in Wikipedia.  It contains what is thought to be the current consensus opinion.
However, opinions are divided on whether to leave the recommended threshold as is shown there, or to change it to reflect some new consensus.  Discussions are obviously healthy -  and welcomed - on this and any other WP issue.
Please feel free to add your views to those expressed below.  (I've taken the liberty of moving them to here, from the project page itself, to leave the latter easier to use.) 
If and when people feel that consensus has been reached on changing our threshold, do please advise so here, so that after any last-minute discussions, people may agree that consensus has been reached, then we can safely change the threshold accordingly.
Thanks, Trafford09 (talk) 15:58, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background

message: Hi,
I understand why the word "honorary" is being used on Honorary Go Titles and although it is indeed one way to translate the Japanese word 名誉 into English, I don't know believe it is being correctly used in this context. I believe in is much more appropriate to use the word "Lifetime" instead. 
While it is true that honorary title may be awarded to go professional in recognition of their over the board play, such titles are also commonly awarded to famous people (politicians, entertainers, etc.) for contributions they have made to the promotion of Go. In some cases, such a person may be a relatively strong amateur Go player, but most of the time such titles are just in recognition of who they are and not of any actual results in over the board play. This kind of thing is not exclusive to Go, but also occurs in Shogi as well. In the West, honorary degrees and other honorary academic titles are not typically awarded due to academic achievement, rather in most cases it is simply done because who the person is, how much money they have donated or a combination of both.
On the other, I think that "Lifetime" in this context is a much better way to describe recognition for excellence in over the board play. In Chess, "lifetime titles" are often given to players who have demonstrated their ability to perform at a high for a certain period of time or number of games. For example, the United States Chess Federation awards the title of "Lifetime Master" to those players who have played 300 games at a rating of 2200 or higher. FIDE awards its "lifetime titles" (FM, IM, GM) to players who achieve certain norms and perform at a certain level. The word "honorary", at least in the West, seems to apply a title granted for ceremonial reasons only while "lifetime" seems to imply a title being that is more likely granted for "actual performance in one's given occupation." Of course this is not always the case, but I think it does apply in this context.
I am a feeling that the creator of this page was not a native English speaker and, therefore, was unable to make this distinction. Speaking from personal experience, I have found that many Japanese have difficulties understanding subtleties such as this. Over the years I have seen many examples of this, where the English being used is grammatically correct, but the context it is being used in is not. Many government, educational, and corporate websites/publications are use English that is not very natural sounding or out of context, but correct according to a Japanese-English dictionary. I think this a perfect example of such a case.
Marchjuly (talk) 08:25, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Honorary" vs. "Lifetime" 

message: Hi,
there seems to be some vandalism going on on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honinbo_Shusaku due to todays google doodle. A lot of Text was deleted, and some sentences have words removed and now don't make sense grammatically.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:5F:2C05:703A:9DE8:4A28:EEDB:567 (talk) 07:06, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honinbo_Shusaku 

message: "At the moment this section is dubious at best. Its gives two sources, a user discussion at sensei library and, a blog post at rail spikes. the first sections says. "Studies show" while in the source that is given no studies are shown. With one link to a study about internet addiction and how go maybe could prevent that from happening. The second statement comes from a programmer and is a guess nothing substantial but anecdotes are offered, which all once again lead to further speculation that does not seem relevant. While it would be lovely that the wonderful game of Go would increase our IQ. There would need to be at least some WP:RS in a relevant field making that claim, to add it to the article. So I suggest for now at least that this section is removed. Or at least to remove the first sentence if consensus is that the speculation of the programmer should remain. NathanWubs (talk) 16:27, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Increase in IQ, [[Go (game)]] 

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message: Please merge Q22128033 and Q5453259 (articles on the first round-robin for OLD Meijin Tournament). It's beyond my wikiskills.61.210.125.27 (talk) 05:46, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please merge two wikidata (interlingual links) 

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message: Hi, is this project still active? Where can I find basic information? Such as: articles/drafts for review or evaluation? Criteria for evaluation, new tasks, member list etc.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by To1al (talk • contribs) 08:10, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent activity 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shape_(Go)#Turn_%E2%89%A0_Hane_(they_mean_different_things)
According to wikipedia (and only wikipedia) turn means hane, but in the go community, turn means "bend" or "magari". Can we please try to be consistent with the rest of the go world? I have a dozen go books that all use the term "turn" for meaning bend, never hane. Can we try to fix this inconsistency so that wikipedia can be more consistent with the wider go community? 2600:1006:B04F:6BE5:6886:72F6:227:6742 (talk) 10:33, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we discuss what "turn" means here please? 

message: I would like to suggest tagging the talk pages of articles and categories relevant to Go with .  This is obviously only necessary when the article or category is no already tagged with Wikiproject Go.  I believe every article and category that is in the category Go (game) or any subcategory of this category should be tagged that way.  I think the talk pages of most Go articles are already tagged this way, although perhaps not all.  Subcategories of Go (game) are less likely to have been tagged. I was manually tagging them but then thought there may be a way to do this with a bot.
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thread_title:  tagging Talk pages of articles and categories 

message: I'd like add the convention that "Go" should be capitalized in Wikipedia to the Guidelines section of WikiProject Go.  This issue comes up every now and then, and it would be good to have it as a stated convention.  I also think we should add this convention as an exception at MOS:GAMECAPS since this is sometimes used to justify using lower case "go".  By convention, most articles in Wikipedia already capitalize the term "Go". My understanding of this convention from previous discussions is that the capitalization of Go is consistent with sources on Go, including Go World magazine, and many others. I believe Go publications generally capitalize Go, because using lower case "go" introduces readability issues in English because of the common use of the verb "go". Coastside (talk) 16:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add capitalization of Go to Guidelines 

message: Please see new list article: List of books about Go. Help by adding missing books.Coastside (talk) 19:57, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of books about Go 

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