Talk:Negev

message: See my comments on Talk:Eilat: "Gilgamesh is at it again:
Gilgamesh is determined to remove the Hebrew language from its normal rational historical moorings under cover of "scholarly" arguments, as he believes that the Jews do not have "exclusive" rights to their own language! That is perhaps why he persists in creating havoc with Hebrew names whenever he finds them, regardless of the naming conventions that are accepted and used by the whole world such as with "Eilat". 
See for example my debates with him at:
*Talk:Modern Hebrew language#Do Gilgamesh and Mustafa "own"_ Hebrew on Wikipedia?
*Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism/Archive 5#A serious challenge from User Gilgamesh on Hebrew language
*Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hebrew languages#Hebrew languages and Canaanite languages
When he will stop his useless and confusing tamperings with Hebrew is anyone's guess."  IZAK 09:06, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: IZAK, you are exhausting.  I have every bit as much right to study, practice and share Hebrew as you do — no more, no less.  You have a good knowledge of Torah details — find some articles to add to, as you normally do.  I really don't care to respond to your bewildering paranoia and lashon hara. - Gilgamesh 10:48, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: I never once told you to edit exclusively Torah articles.  I told you to make productive edits.  And for another thing, I did not call you names.  I said you are exhausting, because you exhaust me, and make me feel exhausted.  See exhaustion.  And if you think my edits are unusual, I'm sorry but I don't practice Israeli Hebrew.  I know things about it, but I specialize in paleolinguistics, e.g. dead/frozen/liturgical languages.  I'm much slower to study vernaculars.  I never said that if I truly made an edit mistake, that no one could correct my mistakes.  And why on earth are you making this about sectarianism?  Why on earth should you by default assume that I make edits with a "Mormon" agenda, or any agenda at all?  This is about science and academics, and in that respect we are all equal.  And I strive for courtesy and mutual respect, though it has been much more difficult when you throw a tantrum.  There's nothing that says you can't add and revise detail of articles that are closer to my studies.  For one moment, think of us as two editors, two people, two human beings.  I work every day to get check my objectivity.  Your responsibility is no different — get over yourself, because in Wikipedia, religion and ethnicity make neither of us special, nor entitled, nor better nor worse than anyone else.  Are you so insecure?  Because I have never doubted your competency as a Rabbinical Torah scholar nor as an Israelite, and you should not belittle my competency as a scientist — it benefits no one, least of all yourself.  It also has the effect of making you that much harder for other editors to work with, inviting a frenzy of ever-toxic lashon hara.  Therefore, I suggest you work with people using cooperation and constructive criticism, rather than trying to pick nihilistic fights. - Gilgamesh 07:55, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Eilat and Negev

message: In some sources, like ,  and other Wikipedias there are indications that Negev, besides or instead of "south", denotes or denoted "dry". What is true about that? Nethency 13:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "South" and/or "dry" 

message: This article has an overtly anti-Israel POV. For example, it cites to articles promoting academic boycotts of Israel: http://www.monabaker.com/pMachine/more.php?id=A1909_0_1_0_M Further, it virtually ignores Jewish history in the region, focusing exclusively on Bedouin. 141.166.154.239 (talk) 04:41, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please add material you feel is missing from the article to achieve the balance you seek, rather than deleting sourced and relevant info already there. Thanks. Tiamuttalk 13:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: I have just noticed that the Bustan links are broken as the website has recently changed. please do not delete the citations - I will try to get them updated. Thanks. LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 18:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bustan

message: I don't think pictures of sand are very helpful. They could be from any desert. Wapondaponda (talk) 07:03, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Without a map this could be just any desert in any region.  Granted, the description does say that it is "triangular" in shape, and there are some Google map coordinates which lead nowhere, none of which is any  help in figuring out where the Negev is. Bushcutter (talk) 23:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Ditto. Hcobb (talk) 01:59, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Ditto. --Bruce Hall (talk) 01:41, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Wow!  I was coming here to say that a map of the area would help in understanding this article, and I find that people have already said this -- Eleven years ago!
And there still isn't one included.  
T bonham (talk) 02:26, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: A map would help

message: This article says that the Negev desert is 13.000 km2. The South District of Israel is 12.000 km2. Is Negev covering the entire South District? (Including the mediterranian coastline? Or are there green areas there?) How far north does really this desert extend? THE ARTICLE IS NOT TELLING AT ALL. In the city of Arad the Negev desert is meeting Israel's other desert the Judean desert which extrends into the southern West Bank. Is this small desert included in the 13.000 figure? ('cos 1.000 km2 is not counted for). Is it the Gaza Strip at 360 km2, and the southern parts of the West Bank, or is the Negev desert even extending into the Central District of Israel ???
Bjarnulf, Oslo  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.209.87.61 (talk) 23:52, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negev equals South District or...? 

message: From an ongoing legal dispute regarding title to land:
:Rawash:  In 1921, at the beginning of the Mandate, the British Government enacted the "Dead Lands Ordinance" and gave the Bedouins two months to come up and register at the Land Registration Office their ownership of lands which they claimed. Hardly any Bedouin did that. They can’t come up with ownership claims now.
: Yiftachel: This is the common judicial argument under which the Bedouin claims of land ownership are rejected. But it ignores salient facts. 
:On March 29, 1921 – before the expiration of that two-month period – a delegation of Bedouin Sheiks went to Jerusalem, to confer with Winston Churchill, at the time the British Secretary of State for the Colonies. In the official concluding statement, which I located at the Public Records Office in London, the Sheiks declared their loyalty to His Majesty's Government, while Churchill confirmed an earlier promise by High Commissioner Herbert Samuel, that "The special rights and customs of the Bedouin Tribes of Be'er Sheba will not be interfered with".
:Subsequently, the British Mandatory Government excluded the Be'er Sheba District from the application of the new land law, absolving Bedouin inhabitants from the duty of registering their land. Instead, a Tribal Court was set up in Be'er Sheba, which remained active throughout the Mandate period. Cases of land dispute were usually settled by a bench of three Sheiks, in accordance with Bedouin Tribal Law. ''
http://toibillboard.info/court8_3.htm
http://toibillboard.info/yiftachl.htm
MX44 (talk) 00:36, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Churchill 1921 

message: In the negev article there is a reference to "the next thousand years".  It is unclear to me when this "thousand years" starts and when it starts  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.215.119.15 (talk) 15:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  negev article 

message: I had a hard time searching for the Negev machine gun at IMI Negev. Since this is the first article that shows up under Negev, I thought I would include a redirect for it. I am going to undo the revision of my edit for this reason. If there is still disagreement, feel free to discuss it here. --JohnAndersonian (talk) 22:08, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  I had a hard time searching for the Negev gun.... 

message: Against the WP rules is the publicity of the wine with the name of the producer at the end of the article. Thats a hard ignorance against the rules! --178.197.232.1 (talk) 17:12, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Basic WP-Rulues 

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message: How the heck do you pronounce "Negev"? Add an IPA transcription? And wait, what, there were (and ARE?) animists in Israel??? What were their beliefs? Corsican Warrah Israeli Pika 12:25, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is it pronounced? And animists? 

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message: There is material in the Encylclopaedia Britannica article on the Negev which would, I think, be worthwhile to add to the current article if it can be found repeated in proper secondary sources (encyclopaedias being tertiary ones), such as that the area was an important granary in Roman times, that kibbutzim were established there during the Second World War and that large-scale irrigation projects being begun just after the war's end, on the foundation of the state of Israel.      ←   ZScarpia   14:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Encyclopaedia Britannica article. 

message: Shahin is cited 17 (!) times in the "History" section, from prehistory to 1900+. The author studied at good schools, but her degrees are in International Relations and Administration, and the book so copiously quoted is a guidebook published by a general-interest publishing house. Ms Shahin is a Palestinian patriot, which is all nice and well, but it doesn't always help her in dealing with history in an unbiased way, and this is an encyclopedia. So, as Tiamut was writing above (I'm paraphrasing her), as long as no one bothers to replace the passages based on Shahin's guidebook, the blame is on us. But RS it's not. My main technical problem is that her book is not accessible online, making it impossible to work with the text any further: that's a dead end source from that pov.
Btw, Evenari was excellent in experimental archaeology re. desert agriculture, where he's unchallenged, but his material on general historical evolution is quite dated and based on other people's work, like A. Negev's, so not a first choice either. When he took archaeologists as co-authors, the RS factor grows, but these still are quite old books.
So, who picks up the challenge? Arminden (talk) 19:19, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shahin: POV, not online, is she RS?