Talk:Bacardi

message: I have a stupid question, why do the bacardi bottles say Puerto Rican Rum when all the article talks about is its Cuban heritage? Why don't they explined its new Puerto Rican heritage just like it touched a tad on the Spanish heritage, before Mr Bacardi started the business in Santiago de Cuba. 
:I added a "heritage" tag so that your question wouldn't be way above the table. I believe your answer might be that if it was sold as "Cuban" rum, it would be illegal in the U.S. Don't quote me on it, but it's a guess. Zchris87v 04:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are looking too deep into it, the only reason behind that is because is completely produced in Puerto Rico, at the moment Cuba has no Bacardi distillery on it labeling it as such would be a lie whenever or not the company was founded there. -凶 04:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It isn't poorly written, it's just incomplete as the history stops at 1959. Instead of complaining, why don't you write up something about the last 50 years? I would welcome this addition. The less corporate propaganda and the more historical fact, the better. Rees11 (talk) 19:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You would just need citations to back up all of that. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 02:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Heritage

message: Uh, can someone please vouch for the sentence that says the company came under the leadership of Mr. Ron Bacardi? I think this might be a misunderstanding, since "Ron Bacardi" means "Bacardi Rum" in Spanish. I actually went to the factory in Puerto Rico, heard no mention of a guy named Ron Bacardi, and watched my friend make this very mistake.
:It seriously just means "Bacardi Rum", people. "Ron" is Spanish for "Rum". Can someone please check on this?
Ron is Rum in spanish, I am from Puerto Rico Trustme Eljohnson15 01:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ron Bacardi? 

message: Removed the link to the image.  It is the convention around here that an inline image is regarded to have been incorporated on the page, and thus a potential violation of copyright and trademark law.  Therefore, we've got to remove it.  If you want to continue the debate, please thrash it out here before replacing it. --Robert Merkel
http://www.bacardi.com/images/art/items/batdevice/batdevice3-1.gif
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OK. Thanks for the explanation. Far be it for me, a humble newbie, to try to disrupt the culture that's already established. I was hoping to get a pointer to a longer debate on this issue as I'm sure others before me have hashed this out already. I must say, at first blush, I heartily disagree with this policy. In fact, I find it somewhat absurd. I've never been a fan of any site anywhere that feels other sites need permission to link to their site. The Internet is all about links. It's not my fault that a given browser decides to save me the trouble of clicking a link by rendering a link graphic inline for me. In this vein, I hope it would not be disallowed to simply place a link (that didn't render inline) to a site. I.e. an external link. That would _really_ be stretching a point. 
At any rate, it strikes me as a very sad thing that we can't link to graphics. The growing 'pedia will be a dreary place indeed without any art.
I don't claim to fully understand copyright law. I'm not a lawyer. I am an IT Director so I do appreciate concepts such as intellectual property rights and such. I don't want anyone to lose potential revenue. But it seems to me that if you put a graphic (or any material) on a public website, then there's no foul in someone else linking to the site. That's the whole _point_ of the Internet. No?
Finally, again let me stress, I'm in no way trying to impose my sensibility on this community. I am the newbie. I was "boldly editing" and boldly re-editing. And I will now stop. I will never link to a graphic again. But I wanted to add my thoughts to the debate (which I do hope is raging somewhere around here though I haven't found it yet). Ultimately the decision needs to be made by the owner of the hardware equipment which hosts wikipedia (the server(s)). Legally, I believe it to be true that only he/they has legal control of the content here (not withstanding any sort of GNU public license or other quasi-legal instruments.) I haven't quite determined who runs the show here. I suspect it's a Mr. L. Sanger. (?)
Know that I did try to learn what the policy on this subject was. I read thouroughly the Wikipedia Policy, Etiquette, Faux Pas, and Rules documents. Couldn't find any mention of this subject. It seems to me that it needs a big red warning somewhere if this is so taboo.
Thanks for listening. I'll go back to editing now. So many typos and grammar errors.... so little time. :)
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It's misleading to say that it's community consensus. It's foremost a legal conclusion. The courts (at least in the US) have ruled that making such links may be considered copyright violation. It's illegal. It's an annoying decision, because, as you say, you're just making a link. But such as it is.
External links are fine.
There is, however, a non-copyright decision as well, which is that Wikipedia is intended to be a self-contained work, and including outside images defeats that purpose.
--TheCunctator
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I like Bacardi Limón.  I just had to say that --Jzcool
:15-year-old girl's drink, if you ask me.  Gimme a decent cabernet sauvignon or a Negra Modelo (think that's the spelling, can't be sure) any day.  But each to their own :)--Robert Merkel
>>>> i like bacardi orange and bacardi mojito. im from the philippines. i can create a perfect mix of those two drinks.:)-rsakimoto 8-19-2009 6:09pm GMT+8 
:: ?
:: PABST BLUE RIBBON!!!
::    -- SR
:It wasn't for years after I first went to Puerto Rico that I discovered rum doesn't taste like the factory smells. Fortunately I'd matured to the point that I could handle it. 
:As had the rum, of course. --Calieber 20:09, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Direct Linking 

message: OK. Thanks for the explanation. Far be it for me, a humble newbie, to try to disrupt the culture that's already established. I was hoping to get a pointer to a longer debate on this issue as I'm sure others before me have hashed this out already. I must say, at first blush, I heartily disagree with this policy. In fact, I find it somewhat absurd. I've never been a fan of any site anywhere that feels other sites need permission to link to their site. The Internet is all about links. It's not my fault that a given browser decides to save me the trouble of clicking a link by rendering a link graphic inline for me. In this vein, I hope it would not be disallowed to simply place a link (that didn't render inline) to a site. I.e. an external link. That would _really_ be stretching a point. 
At any rate, it strikes me as a very sad thing that we can't link to graphics. The growing 'pedia will be a dreary place indeed without any art.
I don't claim to fully understand copyright law. I'm not a lawyer. I am an IT Director so I do appreciate concepts such as intellectual property rights and such. I don't want anyone to lose potential revenue. But it seems to me that if you put a graphic (or any material) on a public website, then there's no foul in someone else linking to the site. That's the whole _point_ of the Internet. No?
Finally, again let me stress, I'm in no way trying to impose my sensibility on this community. I am the newbie. I was "boldly editing" and boldly re-editing. And I will now stop. I will never link to a graphic again. But I wanted to add my thoughts to the debate (which I do hope is raging somewhere around here though I haven't found it yet). Ultimately the decision needs to be made by the owner of the hardware equipment which hosts wikipedia (the server(s)). Legally, I believe it to be true that only he/they has legal control of the content here (not withstanding any sort of GNU public license or other quasi-legal instruments.) I haven't quite determined who runs the show here. I suspect it's a Mr. L. Sanger. (?)
Know that I did try to learn what the policy on this subject was. I read thouroughly the Wikipedia Policy, Etiquette, Faux Pas, and Rules documents. Couldn't find any mention of this subject. It seems to me that it needs a big red warning somewhere if this is so taboo.
Thanks for listening. I'll go back to editing now. So many typos and grammar errors.... so little time. :)
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It's misleading to say that it's community consensus. It's foremost a legal conclusion. The courts (at least in the US) have ruled that making such links may be considered copyright violation. It's illegal. It's an annoying decision, because, as you say, you're just making a link. But such as it is.
External links are fine.
There is, however, a non-copyright decision as well, which is that Wikipedia is intended to be a self-contained work, and including outside images defeats that purpose.
--TheCunctator
----
I like Bacardi Limón.  I just had to say that --Jzcool
:15-year-old girl's drink, if you ask me.  Gimme a decent cabernet sauvignon or a Negra Modelo (think that's the spelling, can't be sure) any day.  But each to their own :)--Robert Merkel
>>>> i like bacardi orange and bacardi mojito. im from the philippines. i can create a perfect mix of those two drinks.:)-rsakimoto 8-19-2009 6:09pm GMT+8 
:: ?
:: PABST BLUE RIBBON!!!
::    -- SR
:It wasn't for years after I first went to Puerto Rico that I discovered rum doesn't taste like the factory smells. Fortunately I'd matured to the point that I could handle it. 
:As had the rum, of course. --Calieber 20:09, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: ====

message: It seems that this article only talks about rums. But Bacardi is more than that. 
eg Tia Maria
at least 5 scottisch whiskey brewers where bought
etc etc
Should this be mentioned?
:yesDanlibbo 05:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apostrophe (mark)#Greengrocers’ apostrophes --Mudd1 12:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't make it right (grumble grumble) Danlibbo 00:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  rum's 

message: The article somehow misses to mention that today's Bacardi Rum has little to do with the original drink produced in Cuba. The original product is now known as Havana Club which features a completly different (and IMHO much better) taste than Bacardi. The article also fails to mention the Bacardi company's attempt to steal the name and reputation of the latter rum by selling their own re-labeled as "Havana Club" in the US. In fact, the article doesn't even mention the name "Havana Club" at all AFAICS, despite the great focus on the pre-US history of Bacardi Rum. So seriously, even communist bashing is violating the NPOV. -- Mudd1 08:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: there's not much alternative unfortunately - the only people who kept a proper history of bacardi were the family/company themselves Danlibbo 05:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any link between todays Cuban-made Havana Club and Bacardi ?  Before 1959, the name was never Bacardi's.  Havana Club is made in Santa Cruz del Norte - what rum used to be made there ?  Was that formerly a Bacardi distillery ? -- Beardo 20:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bacardi Rum and Havana Club 

message: A section detailing Barcardi's opposition to Castro was added by anon user. While much of the material can be verified as it is conveying well documented assertions, it still needs a bit more sourcing NPOV work in my view.--Zleitzen 15:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Opposition to Castro

message: I believe this article is now far more balanced - I've removed the advertising label as such. Mr magoo 12:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It does rather read more like a publicity leaflet from Bacardi than an encyclopaedic article though. I'd like to try toning it down a bit if no-one minds? BarryNL (talk) 00:58, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  balanced 

message: "The Bacardi legacy lives on in Santiago and Havana through their grand buildings and historic significance. The Bacardi Building (Edificio Bacardi) in Old Havana is regarded as one of the finest art deco buildings in Latin America." Could please any native speaker work on this POV/PR statement? tnx.--Nemissimo II 18:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ?

message: someone recently added a phrase about how the company's assets were valued by the cuban govt after the revolution, it needs to go much earlier in the sentence if it needs to be there at all Danlibbo 22:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And we'll really need some citable sources, too. -- Beardo 01:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  valuing the bacardi facilities 

message: I'm removing the recent addition about Ian Williams, which was completely false, stating that Bacardi had first developed his rum in Jamaica.  When asked by Democracy Now if Bacardi's origins are in Jamaica, Ian Williams immediately says no.  His claim is that a Jamaican moved to Cuba to distill rum, and that "it looks like" (meaning he's not sure) Facundo Bacardi might have acquired his distillery and used the same still (and nothing even suggests the still wasn't built in Cuba).  There isn't a single claim anywhere on the web that the Bacardi line was created anywhere other than Cuba, not sure why this was taken so out of context.
:"This shit is the real deal." Under History ??? Hahahaha, gotta love Wipipedia ;-)--203.212.138.129 01:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ian Williams 

message: Bacardi's "Silver" line is owned by Anheuser-Busch, but this isn't mentioned anywhere. I don't even know under what terms this is, or how A-B can produce wine coolers of the same flavor as the rums. Anyone want to add this? Zchris87v 05:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Anheuser-Busch]]?

message: the articles for Bacardi Oro, Bacardi Black, Bacardi Añejo, and Bacardi 8 listed in the products section all link back to this article.  perhaps those should be de-linked or proper articles should be made for those products.
204.83.242.189 04:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These are just redirects. They should be de-linked. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 10:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  linkbacks in the products section 

message: To my knowledge Vaníla was discontinued at least a year ago, and Bacardi does not picture/list it on their websites anymore. Should a note be added that it is discontinued, or should it be removed from the flavored rums list altogether? Shatteredshards 13:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bacardi Vaníla

message: In the Products section, there are 11 links to pages that redirect to the Bacardi page. I think they ought to be deleted, as well as the links to them. --MooNFisH 19:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: De-linked. No need for deletion. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 18:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obsolete links? 

message: "Their first copper and cast iron still produced 35 barrels of fermented molasses per day" is clearly wrong. A still takes in fermented molasses and produces rum. I have not changed it as it's not clear whether the intent is 35 barrels of fermented molasses or 35 barrels of rum. Rees11 (talk) 14:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Still 

message: Hello. Here in Catalonia I've heard the surname Bacardit (ba-carr-DEET) and I would like to know from what part of Catalonia came this surname as in Sitges is more common Bacardí (bah-carr-DEEH) surname.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.32.59.37 (talk) 15:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bacardí vs Bacardit 

message: A section or paragraph indicating where these rums can be purchased would be fantastic. I live in Canada and I desperately want to get my hands on a bottle of Peach Red or Melon, but liquor stores around here only sell limon, apple, and coconut.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.54.87 (talk) 18:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Availability

message: Is there any need to, in the first sentence, mention Catalonia THREE times?  Even if the family is originally Catalan, the family most likely (and the company most certainly) has no identification with this region.
Please keep your tribalisms to yourselves.
Eboracum (talk) 23:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, although his original name is possibly useful information, and I'm going to add that back in without mentioning Catalonia. If you disagree, take it out and I won't argue. Rees11 (talk) 00:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I see now that his birth name is given in his main article, so it probably isn't needed here. Take it back out if you want. Rees11 (talk) 00:51, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catalanisme strikes again 

message: >>> originated offcourse in santiago, cuba by fucundo bacardi familia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.38.195 (talk) 10:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of Daiquiri and Cuba Libre 

message: Why is the accent not present over the "í"? La Fuzion (talk) 14:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because the company name isn't spelled that way: http://www.bacardilimited.com/our-company/about-us  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.194.51.61 (talk) 19:03, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  They’re at least inconsistent about it. However, the most recent bottle design from 2015 does feature the accent, the founder’s name is spelled with the accent, and the brand name is pronounced in Spanish as if it had the accent. I feel like this is a typical case for lemma Bacardí, „sometimes stylized as Bacardi“. —DooFi (talk) 14:33, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bacardí or Bacardi 

message: This should be revised, but I don't know the facts: "In 1954, Compañía ‘Ron Bacardi’ S.A. paid him homage when he was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature of his novel The Old Man and the Sea (1952), in which he honored the Company by mentioning its Hatuey beer." Josh a brewer (talk) 08:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hemingway 

message: The bottle in the picture is almost empty, thus it doesn't adequately show what the rum looks like. A better picture with more rum in the bottle is needed. I had a look at the category in Commons but couldn't find one with sufficient quality. JIP | Talk 17:27, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better picture needed