Talk:Ouachita Hills College

message: Is OHC Historic Adventist? I think it's debateable. Let's see some sources first before we make that assertion. Fountainviewkid 01:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm. Let's see, how do we define "historic adventist" again? Do you deny that they are conservative? Would you also argue with Generation of Youth for Christ's designation as "conservative/historic?" bW 01:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes and No. There are certainly elements, but do say GYC or OHC are specifically "historic adventist" may possibly be a stretch. There's a difference between Conservative Adventist and Historic Adventist. Clifford Goldstein sees himself very much as former but certainly not the latter. Ted Wilson also incorporates elements of both, but not exclusively one. Fountainviewkid 01:56, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Its the exact same thing, conservative adventism is just a semantically watered down version of historic adventism which is essentially the same thing. GYC is currently linked to historic adventism in-text, if GYC is conservative, OHC definitely is. Ted Wilson, Clifford Goldstein, Joe Crews, David Asscherick and Doug Batchelor are all historic adventists. bW 02:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to see some sources for Goldstein being "historic Adventist". Cite your sources. And Asscherick isn't necessarily either. His view on the nature of Christ contrasts with the view of the HA's (same with Goldstein). And no it's not the "exact same thing". There's a difference that extends beyond semantics. I'm sorry but Goldsein/Asscherik ≠ Hartland. Fountainviewkid 02:15, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Goldstein believes in Ellen White, doesn't drink coffee, etc. Isn't that historic adventist? Hartland is irrelevant to this discussion, but if you must know, I don't see much difference between Hartland and Goldstein/Asscherick other than the fact that Hartland is wikt:consistent with its beliefs, while the others mentioned are anything but. Although I disagree with Hartland, I can respect them for staying consistent with their premises, etc. while I cannot say the same for some others. That is off topic, however, the point is, they share beliefs which make them conservative/historic at the core. bW 02:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry but Wikipedia does not go by opinion. What you see or what "I" see is irrelevant to the debate. Believing in EGW and not drinking coffee is not the definition of Historic Adventist. Look it up if you must. Hartland is a much better fit and actually is classified as such in the article. I think you need to learn more of what HA actually is. Find some valid sources or references or else it's just POV. Fountainviewkid 02:45, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is exactly why I said, "That is off topic, however.." see my other arguments here, and the policy references 20 other pages where you have brought this up. My position is unchanged. Stop wasting everyone's time by bringing this up over and over again at different articles. bW 02:51, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Congratulations! That was an excellent use of unfounded rhetoric. May I remind of WP:AGF, WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA? bW 03:12, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's POV, what can I say. Report me if you really feel the urge. I'm sure this is such a grievous sin. Come on, seriously? We have way more important things to do than bickering like this. Good luck on finals. Fountainviewkid 03:46, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
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