Talk:List of oldest living people by U.S. state

message: One of my colleagues has told me he has records for some of the missing states. So, expect more fill-in's over the next few weeks. Ryoung122 21:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose 108- and 109-year-old women then? Extremely sexy 21:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More data coming soon

message: Formatting is not my strong suit, anyone want to help, be my guest. Ryoung122 22:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did just that. Extremely sexy 21:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Formatting help needed

message: Reference: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-168032442.html Regards. --Npnunda (talk) 02:29, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I know, but it doesn't specifically state that she is the oldest in the state, which is the very problem of it, hence. Extremely sexy (talk) 16:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There was an article in the paper today about Mary. I found the link online and added it. She turns 110 next Friday. --Npnunda (talk) 15:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks: let's hope she will make it. Extremely sexy (talk) 21:12, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: North Dakota

message: I changed from Neva Gist to Myrtle Bunting in South Dakota. The article first and foremost the reason for this is
http://stwilliamscarecenter.org/activitiescalendar.aspx
but as opposed to the one I cited (which is not as good, but from the same source), I think that page might change quite regularly.(Yubiquitoyama (talk) 10:17, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: South Dakota

message: This woman is probably oldest in Wyoming, but I have a hard time finding good refs. At the official page of Secretary of State of Wyoming, there are pictures from her 108th birthday citing her as oldest and living in the retirement home Pointe Frontier, but not with a date and only calling her "Martha" (expand "Community events..." and scroll down to pictures) http://soswy.state.wy.us/SecretaryDesk/PhotoGallery.aspx. On the page of living Nebraskans over 107 (an official Nebraskan source) we have a probable "Martha", namely Martha Rojewski Schafer of Laramie County, Wyoming (Pointe Frontier is in Cheyenne in Laramie County), http://www.nehca.org/pdfs/Roster107.pdf. So in all probability this is the correct person and supposedly oldest in Wyoming. But hopefully someone can find a more direct reference...(Yubiquitoyama (talk) 20:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Martha Rojewski Schafer

message: Premise 1: No-one, to my knowledge, has ever been validated by GRG on their 110th birthday.
Premise 2: There seems to be an unwritten rule on this page that the only unvalidated people allowed on are those under 110.
Conclusion: On people's 110th birthdays they will have to be removed and then reinstated once they are on GRG.
Does this sound sensible to anyone? No, me neither, so could the pedants please think before they act. Either we make this list GRG only, or we have to allow unvalidated supercentenarian cases such as Susan Middleton. There's a citation claiming she's the oldest in the state (unlike for Richard Washington) so what sense does it make to have a mere centenarian with no evidence either. 
It's different for Ohio, for instance. Since Ethel Johnson is proved to be 110 we shouldn't replace her with the unproved Rebecca Lanier. I notice that no-one took off Delpha Johnson who was 'only' 110, and lo and behold, she's now on GRG. Why is Middleton different? Because she's black? I'm not saying Middleton will ever be on GRG but until South Carolina has someone on there, she seems to be our best bet.
As for Virginia Call, the link had gone dead. But before it did, we had Robert Young saying he was 70% sure that she was 110 and therefore the oldest in Illinois. That is a lot more evidence than for many of the non-GRG cases. She's got an 82-year old grandson for christ sake. How young could she be? So if I find the citation again I see no reason why she shouldn't be back on. 89.242.218.62 (talk) 22:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, though it seems silly, we should remove unverified claims from people who turn 110 even if they are already on the list. It does seem a bit pedantic to do that, but what we have to recognize is that once someone reaches 110, they have crossed a threshold that means GRG and others will assess the veracity of their claims. Simply put, there is a higher standard of proof and the page should reflect that. Not because that is our arbitrary whim, but because that is what the reality is in terms of gerontological research. Since other similar lists elsewhere on wikipedia make a strong distinction between claimed and verified, so should we. (Those which do not make an explicit point about this should, IMHO.) I agree this warrants a note at the top as this may not be immediately apparent to the casual reader, something like: Claims for people who have reached 110 years are assessed by gerontology research bodies and this list reflects their assessment of the veracity of claims past that age. Claims on the page for those under 110 may not have been so stringently assessed. Cheers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.33.10.92 (talk) 17:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am of a mind not to add cases over age 110 that have not gone through a verification process, and certainly not those who have gone through the process and have been determined "unable to be validated."  Hopefully cases which are 108, 109 etc... will be going through a verification process or submitted, whatever the process may be.  I'm not in favor of removing someone who has been listed solely on the basis of having reached age 110.  Also, in question, is the criteria beyond validation for listing someone.  In Connecticut, where I reside, does the fact that Gertrude Noone is the oldest registered voter in the state assuredly make her the oldest resident; I'm not so confidant.  TFBCT1 (talk) 20:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alas, Irma Schmidt is Connecticut's oldest resident (see above). TFBCT1 (talk) 20:34, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That sure is a long time to wait to be smug. However, Schmidt's status as CT's oldest is also based on her being the oldest voter. So you should be equally dubious about it. Mistakes happen. The Noone source was simply incorrect. As was the one I replaced it with, at your prompting. I wasn't the one who added Noone and others without citation. I'm just the person who tries to verify them. Verifiabilty over truth as we're always told. So if I'm going to be criticised for sources not being true then I just won't bother any more. And if I'd never added Schmidt in the first place then you wouldn't have had your moment of triumphalism. 195.171.111.194 (talk) 10:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Illogical thinking

message: CNN has an article about a 112 year old artist, which if correct, is older than the 110 year old woman listed as the oldest person in Alabama.  Frank Callaway supposedly was born July 2nd, 1896.  -Pparazorback (talk) 03:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Census he is only 93. Extremely sexy (talk) 13:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alabama record? 

message: I'm removing John Babcock. All the articles about his 108th birthday and nothing to say he's the oldest person in Washington? Admittedly Google searches don't help because 'Washington' and 'oldest' obviously feature heavily in stories about him. So if I've missed something then reinstate him. I'll give the others a chance because they're a fair bit older:
Florence Poe is coming up to 110 but her 109th birthday was actually reported 2 years ago. That's too old for use here and anyway, Imagestation backed up the 1898 birth. We'll find out in a few weeks. Same for Onie Ponder. No dispute over her age, just whether she's Florida's oldest. Best citation I could find had her the oldest Daughter of the American Revolution. For Jacob Currence a MySpace had him oldest in WV which suggests that he actually is, but nothing citable. 
As for the cited cases, Anna Pendley is not ideal, but the other sources only said her family thought she might be the state's oldest. Mary Schumacher's is poor but again, she has a birthday upcoming. Bart added the Evelyn Kozak source which I had rejected because it has her oldest in Pittsburgh. Nothing on her 109th yet but at least it's recent. 195.171.111.194 (talk) 09:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is interesting. I have no problem with Call being added to this page. Mary Schumacher will be added to the unverified list because she is not verified by the GRG either. --Npnunda (talk) 23:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: John Babcock and other cases

message: I don't see any reason to remove U.S. cases for worrying that their death might have gone unnoticed. Most deaths in the USA will show up in the Social Security Death Index (over 2 million/year). There is a 95% chance someone will be in that.
My argument is that uncited material is to be removed and citations are obsolete after a year as per GRG. Therefore it was right to remove her. However the resourceful Yubiquitoyama has added a link which has her alive in November. Its not showing up for me, but if it needs fixing I'm sure someone will do it. 212.183.134.65 (talk) 00:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Eddye Williams

message: The news article specifically mentioned the GRG, so supplanting Delma Kollar doesn't make a lot of sense. Whether she is born Oct 31 1897 or Oct 31 1898, that's still older than Ms Pearson.Ryoung122 05:27, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Rebecca Lanier was not cited by the GRG, so that is irrelevant.
Ryoung122 18:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, some people aren't sensible so it is relevant. It was just an example. 212.183.136.192 (talk) 21:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarice Pearson, Delma Kollar

message: http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/2008/12/26/20081226gl-nwvbirthday1224.html
Ryoung122 18:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible oldest in Arizona

message: What's the reason for no gold on her name?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eurythmech (talk • contribs) 11:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is because "golding her" would be misleading. She IS the Georgia state recordholder (being born in Georgia). Yubiquitoyama (talk) 21:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gertrude Baines not Californian record holder?

message: Evelyn Ralston is kind of a problem. She is not verified, and she is not oldest among unverifieds. Rosa Wilkes of Chicago, Illinois (on the "unverified living SC:s"-page) is older (born 1898.10.10) http://www.chicagodefender.com/article-2189-casting-a-historic-ballot.html
I suggest Evelyn Ralston is removed for the time being, awaiting verification of someone in Illinois, since the newsreport claiming her oldest is obviously questionable.
Yubiquitoyama (talk) 15:45, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, the GRG doesn't even begin the verification process until age 110, so that's not a relevant point for Ms. Ralston. However, for Rosa Wilkes, the claim is above 110 and no one has applied for a record.Ryoung122 03:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I mostly thought of the purpose of this page. None of them are verified, so, as unverified claims are actually on this page (and to some degree, I think they should be), should we really add the non-oldest one, if neither have been proven false? Even if plus-110 people should not be added here unless verified (and I think that's rather reasonable), it seems rather absurd to add the oldest non-verified person who has yet to turn 110 and happens to claim they are oldest in the state.Yubiquitoyama (talk) 18:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Evelyn Ralston

message: I don't know who the next-in-line is, so I can't edit, but Mrs. Lubrano has passed away.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.53.80.140 (talk) 12:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ruth Lubrano (RI)

message: Possible record holder-- In 2003 I met an African American male living in Princeton, New Jersey that claimed to be 106 at the time, making him born 1896-1897. If he is still alive, he is the possible record holder for New Jersey.
:Why would you assume that someone aged 106 you met 6 years ago is still alive? With an annual mortality rate of over 40% at that age, it's very unlikely!Ryoung122 16:58, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: New Jersey

message: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/tuscaloosa/obituary.aspx?n=hillard-hudson&pid=136032400
here is a source 74.249.144.59 (talk) 14:45, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The name is as rendered "HillIard". The 1900 census, 1920 census, 1930 census, and marriage record list his name as "Hilliard."Ryoung122 17:02, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

text: So which spelling is the right spelling? 65.0.27.131 (talk) 18:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hillard Hudson 

message: Only 23 of the states have a name, out of 50, that's not even half, whats the point in having this article, if were gonna have it then shouldn't all the states have a name? 65.0.27.131 (talk) 14:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The point of this article ISN'T to make up information where it doesn't exist: it is to present information where it does exist. Better to report on 23 states than zero.
Ryoung122 16:57, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  notability 

message: Should an article be made on Daisey Bailey? This is, of course, considering the fact that we must respect the individual's privacy when doing BLP. There does seem to be enough info of her on the Internet and she is notable for currently being the oldest living African-descent person. BrendanologyTalK 14:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I just found out that there IS an article on her after all. Sorry. BrendanologyTalK 09:18, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Daisey Bailey

message: I think this page should be merged with the main US supercentenarians page. Other countries such as Canada and Britain have their territorial records on their main pages. We don't need a seperate page to list the state recordholders.
Also, The recordholders on this page are being listed based on state of current residence rather than state of birth. On the british supercentenarians talkpage Robert Young clarified that GRG categorizes these type of records based on state of birth rather than state of residence. As such, we should change this page to match GRG's criteria. As things stand now, some of the info on this page could be considered original research.Tim198 (talk) 22:39, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That is what I also suggested. I totally agree with this. --Nick Ornstein (talk) 23:46, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: One shoe doesn't fit all. The USA accounts for about half of all supercentenarians and has 50 states. Canada and Britain only have a handful of region records on their pages - not enough for a full article, unlike the USA. The USA page was already too long and disjointed, and now even more so. SiameseTurtle (talk) 22:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger