Talk:Jackie Chan/Archive 4

message: Someone (more knowledgeable than me) ought to add a paragraph about his influences from early Hollywood slapstick like Buster Keaton, Three Stooges, Marx Brothers, etc. I know a lot has been written by many critics analyzing the similarities but I don't know if Jackie Chan has ever referred to it himself. I just saw the Legend of Drunken Master and it definitely reminded me of the 3 Stooges.
Also I agree about the injuries list, way too long!216.90.56.122 17:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree the Keaton inspiration (not sure about Stooges/Marx Bros) is something often mentioned in documentories and biographies about him, but I'd have to go back to them to verify that he personally claims the similarity. There is the end stunt in Project A: Part 2 which is a clear homage to Keaton, where a wall falls towards him and he steps into the gap made by the window, which I would say means he "referred to it himself". --DrHacky 06:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackie Chan & Buster Keaton? 

message: The headings of his biography have been changed to reflect what he mainly achieved in each time period. the 1970s information is the part that has been changed the most. Data in 1980s and 1990s have been detailed, and reliable sources have been added. A cut off point also is made in 1998. Since it seems to signal a new style of film there. Anything that's not released has been moved to the Future projects area. Personal Life and Stunts have been moved to separate sections. The presonal life may be removed if no reliable sources can be found, due to WP:BLP policy.--Kylohk 20:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is the case, why has the source not been cited? If you want the information in question to remain, offer citations and people will be more likely to support it. MArcane 04:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary of changes 

message: Here's an even bolder idea. Let's remove this injury list. It has been tagged as an unencyclopedic entry for several months, and the extent of Jackie Chan's injuries have been outlined in the stunts section. At most, the injury list should be separated into its own article.--Kylohk 19:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Injury List 

message: well done everyone for re-editing this page, recently i havent been happy with the large trivia section or the incomplete and informal injury list. I love the new version of the page with the trivia added into paragraphs and the re-organised sections, well done all! :)
Nathan 13:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Edit 

message: Fine article so far. A fair use rationale is needed for the picture of him at Disneyland, and could someone fix this sentence: "In New Police Story, there are several scenes where he was badly drunk and weeping for his murdered colleagues". Change it to "he portrayed a character suffering from alcoholism and mourning his murdered colleagues". I'm in two minds about passing it, because there is no mention of how heavily criticised Chan's American films are. Alientraveller 16:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your two requests have been met, as for the criticisms of Chan in America, I'll go and look it up.--Kylohk 17:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I kind of get what you mean by "heavy criticism". It seems that much of the criticism of Jackie Chan is that his action is significantly toned down. I'll add that.--Kylohk 17:26, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA on hold 

message: Should this be added to the further reading section? 
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132.205.44.5 22:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Reading 

message: 1) Hi Kylohk - you removed a paragraph I'd added mentioning the Lo Wei-era films:
Between 1976 and 1978, the Lo Wei Motion Picture Company produced several further films featuring Chan, Shaolin Wooden Men, Killer Meteors (alongside Jimmy Wang Yu) To Kill with Intrigue and Magnificent Bodyguards. During this period, Chan also appeared in smaller roles in several other films, including a supporting role in the Golden Harvest release, Hand Of Death, an early film from director John Woo.
I understand your reasoning for removing this listy paragraph. However, I'd argue that there are a couple of pertinent points worth keeping. Namely:
a) the fact that he acted in Killer Meteors with Jimmy Wang Yu, who we later mention as sorting out Chan's dispute with Lo Wei. It is a common misconception that Chan repaid Wang by appearing in 3 films for him, one of which being Killer Meteors. In fact Chan only appeared in 2 films to repay Wang (Fantasy Mission Force and Island of Fire), whereas Meteors was released long before the dispute occurred. It also gives a sense of how they knew each other before Wang's mediation. 
b) I think Chan's appearance in John Woo's Hand of Death is notable as it is not a particularly well-known fact, and interesting that these 2 major figures of Hong Kong cinema worked together during Woo's early directing career.
Please consider putting these points back into the article.
2) In the opening paragraph, it lists Chan as a "comedian", but to me "comedian" implies stand-up and joke telling. He could be credited as being a "comedy actor", but as some of his roles are more serious, I would probably avoid this too. It's more that he has been in films of the "action comedy" genre, rather than being a true comedian. Gram123 11:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Couple of things 

message: Family and extramarital sex has great impact in his life.  He has great care of the performance career of his son, Jaycee Chan.  His extramarital sex with Miss Asia Pageant of 1990, Elaine Ng (Ng Yi Lei), caused great damage to his fame among Chinese communities, also ruined his effort to be a role model for youths. His hostile attitude to the birth of his illicit daughter Etta Ng (Ng Chok Lam) was highly criticised by public.  Missing these pieces of information makes the article incomplete.  — HenryLi (Talk) 12:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have to be aware of the updated WP:BLP policy. Even if some information is true, and is reliably sourced, it may not be suitable for the encyclopedia.--Kylohk 13:09, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are pure gossips and speculations especially in relation to his so called ilegitimate daughter, and stuff related to his private life should be left out. As for how his image have been affected is again pure Pov, and doesnt hold any credence in an encyclopedic article.--DaliusButkus 13:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of sports stars and other famous people have personal life sections in their articles. However, the notable facts about Jackie Chan's personal life are rather controversial, and if it's reported by gossip magazines, it shouldn't be included per WP:BLP, whose objective now has expanded to avoid causing harm to the living person mentioned.--Kylohk 13:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "A former Miss Asia (1990) who gave birth to a daughter, Etta Ng Chok Lam (b. November 19,1999). The Hong Kong media alleged that the father was Jackie Chan,[1][2] although there has as yet been no verification by either party involved." Here's the quote from an article, which means it's most likely a hoax, or pure speculation.--DaliusButkus 13:24, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember that article. It was probably from Next Magazine, a "gossip magazine". I did not remember any credible newspapers mentioning that case.--Kylohk 13:39, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I remember, it is widely publicised in newspapers, radio and television programmes, especially in Chinese and Cantonese media.  His act was commented by some notable persons. (CHA Leung Yung/Louis CHA has explained the difference between 風流 and 下流.). A few English articles had left a mark on the matter. The Little Guy's Greatest Stunt (from Time Asia) (from China Daily) Jackie Chan (from IMDB) Jackie Chan — HenryLi (Talk) 07:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As said they are all pure speculation, none of those articles could confirm your allegations, neither was it ever proven that he had a daughter, something as simple as a paternity test could reveal.--DaliusButkus 01:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family and infidelity 

message: I've copyedited the entire article.  As a note, the reflist and references formats were disrupted, so while the correct template is listed here to do columns, the columns do not work, and the problem is evident on other articles. MSJapan 15:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedited... 

message: There is a sentence stating:
:"However, he has never won a Hong Kong Film Award, despite being nominated ten times between 1985 and 2005."
If this means for Best Actor, it needs to be clarified.
Who Am I? won Best Action Coreography at the 1999 HKFA, and Chan was action coreographer and stunt co-ordinator on that film (with Willem de Beukelaer as vehicle stunt co-ordinator). See here.  Gram123 10:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Never won a HK Film Award? 

message: There does not appear to be any mention of his religion or belief system.  Considering his martial arts background and his philanthropy I would be very interested to know where he stands on this.  Could a mention be made?--ManInStone 13:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If reliable sources can be found discussing his religion or beliefs, and they don't appear to be trivial to him, then that's a perfectly appropriate topic for a biographical encyclopedic article. --Lquilter (talk) 17:54, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, find reliable sources. Bruce Lee was high profile about his philosophy (or whatnot). But I've never seen Jackie Chan talk about it.--Alasdair 10:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion or belief system 

message: According to Chan's own auto-biography, he did not emigrate to Canberra with his parents as a child.  He was brought to the China Drama Academy just prior to his father leaving Hong Kong for work in Australia (who later brought his wife there, but not Jackie, as he was contractually obligated to stay at the school).  It is only later, after he left the school and had trouble finding work as a stuntman, that he went there.
Don't want to start any edit wars, but if there's no objections to the above statement by late tomorrow, I'm going to edit it. --Dymero 04:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canberra 

message: Now that the article has reached featured status, I say it's time to try and get it on the main page.  I think before the director will accept however, some things need to be done.  Personally, the personal life section is rather lacking.  I think it'll be hard to get information, as Chan is rather more private than a lot of celebrities when it comes to his personal life, but I think some things could be mentioned, such as his long-lasting relationship with Willie Chan.  I'll see what I can do, but I think that with a little more improvement, it would be prime material for the main page! --Dymero 02:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It may take some patience, but I think we should look for a date on April 7, his birthday. bibliomaniac15 02:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was an interview with his son Jaycee Chan on his personal opinions about his family (Jackie Chan incl.) a while back on the Hong Kong Cable TV Entertainment Channel, I guess someone just has to tape it.--Alasdair 07:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

text: That is just a temporary risk. Besides, "Today's featured article" usually has a ton of people watching it for vandalism. bibliomaniac15 02:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with that.  Things like vandalism can be corrected quickly.  I was also thinking that April 7th would be an appropriate day.  Up to the FA director on that, though.  --Dymero 02:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, I always wished WP:MPFAP would be accepted by the community. Right now, it's disputed.--Alasdair 02:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Go ahead and nominate. I'd be watching the page if it goes up for vandalism! Haha!--Alasdair 00:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Page 

message: Why in the infobox there is a Hong Kong flag that was used from 1959 to 1997 although Jackie Chan was born in 1954? --Mika1h 15:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should just remove it. Clearly is not valuable to the article, the details of the flag are barely visible (on a reasonable screen resolution) to indicate the exact era of Hong Kong in which he was born. Luke! 18:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag icon 

message: ::I notice that the sentence has been removed again (by User:DaliusButkus).  I would simply like to stress the following:
::*We do not have to explicitly say Jackie Chan had an illegitimate daughter.  We simply say that he "all but acknoledged paternity of a daughter by actress Elaine Ng" - as the source says (TIME Asia, ).
::*Whether this child is Jackie Chan's or not is irrelevant.  You said it yourself - you need a paternity test to prove it - and since there is none, we cannot say that it is definitely his, especially as, looking at this, she never said so.  That said, this does not mean it "disproves" the point above.  He said so in an interview - whether you take his word for it or not is up to the reader to decide.  Making up their minds would be original research.
::*If TIME prints falsehoods, Wikipedia can still cite them (verifiability, not truth).  Of course, if TIME can be contradicted, then we can contrast in the article, but even better if we can find a reliable source regarding TIME's "falsehoods".
::I don't see how the sentence is misleading.  I copyedited it to almost fit the quote exactly.  x42bn6 Talk Mess 16:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, in the end, do we include it or exclude it?--Alasdair 23:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will input a more cautious explaination in the article, check it out.--DaliusButkus 04:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally, we are having a compromise. Good job, let's shake hands and move on.--Alasdair 04:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry to spoil this love-in but it isn't good as it stands. The legitimacy or otherwise of a child is not something that people can agree or acknowledge arbitrarily - it is something that is set by law. If, as is suggested, Jackie Chan had a daughter by someone to whom he was not married then by definition that child is illegitimate. He might perhaps have acknowledged parentage.Paul Christensen 07:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I prefer "presence", which is closer to the source ("acknowledged paternity").  x42bn6 Talk Mess 16:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - I've looked at the source and it says "all but acknowledged". This is quite different from "acknowledged" (it implies that he used a form of words which might lead a reasonable person to believe that he was the father, but did not say so explicitly; "acknowledged" would be saying so explicitly) and I have edited the article to reflect that. I have also introduced the word "corroboration" which I feel may well be the word we have been looking for regarding other sources! (or at least the lack thereof).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul Christensen (talk • contribs) 09:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Section break

message: Alasdair, why do you regard the addition of "or do sex scenes" as vandalism? It seems to me that this is equally as valid or notable as not using the word "fuck". In fact he would probably get a huge amount more money for a sex scene than for saying "fuck", and most actors/actresses do at some point succumb to the "temptation" to do them. Unless of course you are saying that the assertion is not true? Paul Christensen 02:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think not doing sex scenes is something that is unique to Chan, as many actors these days opt not to do any sex scenes. In fact, the term "sex scenes" may be easily misunderstood as "pornographic scenes", so I left that out. Of course, there may be a chance that he's referring to love scenes.--Alasdair 07:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sex Scenes 

message: By the way, the film article mentioned earlier by users Blushirts and Hong Qi Gong - Hua Fei Man Cheng Chun - is the same film as was already discussed on this talk page - "All in the Family" (see Talk:Jackie Chan#Jackie Chan admits acting in porn movie).
The plot synopsis on iMDB says "A family gathers to be with its dying father. The reunion brings to the surface old rivalries".  I'll make a quick edit to the article in question to this effect, whether it will be AFD'd or not. Gram123 11:33, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All in the family 

message: Is it worth alternating or changing the positioning of some of the pics? The first image is on the left but all subsequent images are on the right. For balance, it may look better if we move one or more of the other images to the left too. Gram123 11:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gram i do not believe so, because i tried that already, and it's not uncommon for introductory pictures to be different, but do experiment with it and decide for yourself which is better.DaliusButkus 12:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The main reason is a technical one. In fact, in many articles, the infobox tend to "seep" into the first chapter. If that happens, any image that aligns to the right there would be forced beneath the infobox. Any text that are supposed to be "level" with the image will be forced down as well, creating a large white space. Hence the first image is to the left to prevent the image from distorting the looks of the article.--Alasdair 14:07, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood about the first image, thanks Alasdair. When working on another featured article (Ran (film)), someone alternated the images, and I thought it looked ok, more balanced. So I've taken DaliusButkus' suggestion to "experiment" and alternated the JC pics here. Take a look, and see what y'all think. Gram123 15:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: After the stirling work done on this article, I wondered if anyone might be interested in improving some other Jackie Chan-related articles, help with the following articles would be appreciated:
* Jackie Chan filmography - whilst pretty complete, it looks a little untidy and could probably do with some work.
* Jackie Chan Stunt Team - looks a mess, and is probably incomplete.
* JCE Movies Limited - just started.
* Peking Opera School - I tried to include something about both of the key schools, but more info is needed.
* Sammo Hung - needs quite a bit of work.
** Sammo Hung filmography - as the JC filmography.
** Lucky Stars
* Yuen Biao - needs quite a bit of work too.
Plus most of the Jackie Chan films need expanding, particularly those released prior to Shanghai Noon (i.e. most of them). I've tried to ensure there are articles with infoboxes etc on them all, but some are still stubs or need references, plots and various other bits of info.
To expand things even further, the Golden Harvest article could do with some input, and I think more of the key people from this industry need articles. I've worked on a couple of articles like Rosamund Kwan, Richard Ng and even Bey Logan. But people like Ng See-Yuen, Leonard Ho, James Tien, Fung Hark-on / Fung Hak-on, Willie Chan, Dean Shek, Dick Wei, Mang Hoi, Blacky Ko (aka Philip Ko), Sibelle Hu etc etc have no articles, yet are relatively well known in HK films.
Whatever you can muster. Cheers. Gram123 17:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put links in place for the above selection of HK film industry personnel. I figured I'd make a start on creating these articles, and add more later. I'm only going to do stubs at first, but figured if the articles exist, people may be more inclined to edit them. Gram123 12:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related Articles 

message: There has been some debate going on about whether information about Jackie Chan's illegitimate daughter should be included in the personal life section. That statement has been mentioned by Time magazine and other Hong Kong newspapers. So, let's try to discuss whether it should be included, and how it should be presented.
:This incident affects Jackie Chan in long term and has been widely being covered by media.  If this important section is left out, the article would be in a big bias.  — HenryLi (Talk) 02:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackie Chan's Personal Life 

message: I removed the "copyright activists" category from this article.  The only mention in the article of copyright is that he appeared in a PSA against "copyright piracy". (1) Appearance in a single PSA is not really "activism"; it's more endorsement of a cause.  Moreover, appearance in PSAs might be out of sympathy with the cause, but it's not always -- it might be for hire, by court order, or simply a public relations issue. So "appearance in PSAs" is not a good general criteria for the :Category:Activists tree. (2) A category is appropriate if it is a defining attribute per categorization policy. For example: When people think of Chan, do they think "copyright activist"? Or when people think of copyright activists, do they think "Jackie Chan"? If so then that would be defining. Activists are typically defined by full-time or significant work organizing or advocating (as private citizens, not as part of the government) a cause.  To my knowledge this is not Jackie Chan, but if anybody has any suggestion to the contrary, please post and we can consider whether the category really does belong. (I note that any category has to have proper sourcing in the article -- so it has to be at least noteworthy enough to be in the article, and a category, like I already said, needs to be a defining attribute -- so it really shouldn't be a mere passing mention in a long article, but would merit a significant chunk of the article.) --Lquilter (talk) 22:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  copyright activist? 

message: Per WP:LEAD, the lead should serve as an outline of the entire article. It looks pretty generalized, and definitely needs more details. Please summarize the entire article into 2-3 paragraphs. Thanks, Nishkid64 (talk) 21:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: When Chan was in Berlin, Germany filming "Around the World in 80 Days", he discovered the United Buddy Bears. At the time, there were Buddy Bears all over the city of Berlin. Jackie became curious about the colorful bears and did a little research. He found out that the bears were the brainchild of Berlin residents Klaus and Eva Herlitz. He learned that they were meant to carry an important message - a message that he too had been working hard to deliver: we must live together in harmony and peace. He also found out that the Buddy Bears raised money for charity. Chan became hooked on the Buddy Bears and so he got involved in bringing the United Circle of Buddy Bears to Hong Kong in 2004.
See: http://www.jackiechankids.com/files/Buddy_Bears.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.185.17.99 (talk) 10:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackie Chan and the Bears 

message: :Template:Jackie Chan films has been nominated for deletion.  Please have your say over here before this Wednesday (I think). Esn (talk) 09:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template deletion 

message: In the article, it says:
"Chan trained rigorously for the next decade, excelling in martial arts and acrobatics. He eventually joined the Seven Little Fortunes, a performance group made up of the school's best students, gaining the stage name Yuen Lo in homage to his master."
This probably needs rewording because:
1) It makes it sound like he was only given the name Yuen Lo once he became a member of the 7 Little Fortunes - I was always under the impression that all students gained their "Yuen" name upon joining the opera school.
2) It also sounds as though he was at the opera school for 10 years before becoming a member of the Fortunes, which I'm sure isn't true. Gram123 (talk) 15:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yuen Lo 

message: Im not entirely sure if we need these two sections, Personal Life and Business Ventures. One reason because they are so small and hardy explain as of Jackie's personal life or all his business ventures. I think this info should either be integrated into the biog or made a lot bigger. What do u guys think? Nathan (talk) 22:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Sections Needed? 

message: The link to source #44 accidentally sends you to #34. 68.7.66.85 (talk) 21:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mislinking 

message: Jackie Chan did NOT voice himself in Jackie Chan Adventures. James Sie performed the voice acting for the animated Jackie Chan. Jackie himself only appeared in the "Hey Jackie!" segments afterwards.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.163.105 (talk) 16:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackie Chan Adventures 

message: I added the Golden Rooster award to the infobox as it is a standard entry in a "Chinese actor and singer" infobox.
In addition to the awards mentioned there and elsewhere in the article, Chan has won the following awards:
* 1993 Asia-Pacific Film Festival - Lifetime Achievement Award
* 2005 Asia-Pacific Film Festival - Special Jury Award
* 1999 Blockbuster Entertainment Awards - Favorite Duo (Action/Adventure) for: Rush Hour (Shared with Chris Tucker)
* 1998 Cinequest Film Festival - Maverick Tribute Award
* 1997 Fantasia Festival - Best Asian Film for Drunken Master II (shared with Lau Kar-leung and Tied with Perfect Blue)
* 1999 Hollywood Film Festival - Actor of the Year
* 2000 IIFA Awards (International Indian Film Academy Awards) - Award for "Excellence in International Cinema"
* 2002 MTV Movie Awards - Best Fight for Rush Hour 2 (shared with Chris Tucker)
* 1999 MTV Movie Awards - Best Onscreen Duo Rush Hour (shared with Chris Tucker)
* 1995 MTV Movie Awards - Lifetime Achievement Award
* 2001 Montreal World Film Festival - Grand Prix Special des Amériques
* 2002 Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards - Blimp award for "Favorite Male Action Hero", for Rush Hour 2
* 2003 Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards - Blimp award for "Favorite Male Butt Kicker", for The Tuxedo
* 2005 Shanghai International Film Festival - Outstanding Contribution to Chinese Cinema
I think there should be a place for some of these within the article? I don't know the relative merits of each, so I don't know if some would be ruled out. I notice that below the HK Film Awards etc in the infobox, there is a line that simply says "awards". When an entry is added here, it comes under the heading "Other Awards", so this might be the place for (some of?) them. I suppose the 2 with red links could be omitted. Gram123 (talk) 15:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Awards 

message: Shouldn't there be some mention of his musical career beyond the word "singer" in the first few lines? He's released over 10 CDs out, not counting "best-of" types of disks. It may not be what he's known for in the west, but it is a significant aspect of his career and is all but totally ignored here at the moment.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.180.8.191 (talk) 02:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: i completely agree, there should be an entire section on it Wiggl3sLimited (talk) 03:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singing Career 

message: I added some info to the article about Chan's reality tv series. I've placed it at the end of the "Image and Celebrity Status" section, though it may be more appropriate further up in the "Film career" section, at the end of "Dramatisation: 1998–present". Gram123 (talk) 15:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disciple 

message: Should it be mentioned that Jackie Chan is a Segway dealer, seen here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080604/ap_on_hi_te/techbit_jackie_chan_segway? Consider the scope of it: Chan sells Segway scooters in most of eastern Asia - China, Malaysia, South Korea, the Philippines, Singapore and Vietnam, so it's clearly notable. --Geopgeop (T) 21:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Segway dealerships? 

message: Nervous Chan on June 18, 2008 made his first Taipei, Taiwan visit since he accused on 2004 it's president of election-eve shooting: "I didn't know what to say, I didn't know what clothes to wear. So in the end, I just decided to be natural." iht.com, Jackie Chan makes first Taiwan visit in 4 years Dozens of Taiwanese greeted him with angry slogans: "Not Welcome!" and "Get Out!" at the Taoyuan International Airport. Chan has not apologized. He will attend a fund-raising for children event, "Baby is Our Hope" held by cable TV channel TVBS. Government representative Vanessa Shih asked Taiwanese residents to be calm.earthtimes.org, Protestors blast Jackie Chan for criticizing Taiwan elections--Florentino floro (talk) 09:18, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say there. --haha169 (talk) 17:31, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protest 

message: Jackie Chan and the bears: When Chan was in Berlin, Germany filming Around the World in 80 Days, he discovered the United Buddy Bears. At the time, there were Buddy Bears all over the city of Berlin. Jackie became curious about the colorful bears and did a little researchJackie Chan and the Buddy Bear Factory. He found out that the bears were the brainchild of Berlin residents Klaus and Eva Herlitz. He learned that they were meant to carry an important message - a message that he too had been working hard to deliver: «we must live together in harmony and peace». He also found out that the Buddy Bears raised money for charity. Chan became hooked on the Buddy Bears and so he got involved in bringing the United Circle of Buddy Bears to Hong Kong in 2004Buddy Bears - The Golden RuleUnited Buddy Bears in Hong Kong II.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikhail-smile (talk • contribs) 13:32, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackie Chan and the bears - UNICEF aktivities 

message: I noticed that this page was protected from editing so I can't edit it-anyway, just wanted to inform you guys that the end of his History section needs some fixing. It says he will start filming Shinjuku Incident in November 2007, altough, well, we're in like August 18, 2008 so I guess we need to say that it's already being filmed right? Also, maybe add information that Rush Hour 4 may be coming. Jackie Stuntmaster (talk) 
* Filming is complete on Shinjuku Incident and it is now in post. I will edit the article to say as much in a minute. As for Rush Hour 4, it is rumoured but unconfirmed. It is included in the Jackie Chan filmography in the Unconfirmed future films section. If and when anyone can provide a reference confirming that the film will be made, then we will move it into the general filmography list and include a note about it in this article. Gram123 (talk) 10:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Jackie Stuntmaster (talk) 23:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Proteted 

message: Chan is awarded  honorary doctorate  and honorary professorship by SCAD or the Savannah College or Art and Design i think we shoud add this to his title 
you can read about it here http://www.scad.edu/news/2008/scad-jackie-chan.cfm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcdjdrew (talk • contribs) 18:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honorary Doctorate  and Honorary Professorship 

message: I retouched the image a bit. Please feel free to revert to the original if you don't think this is an improvement. Tim Vickers (talk) 17:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portrait 

message: Reference 83 is a broken link. Please update of delete this reference. -- Onilosmada  |  talk  02:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference 83 trouble 

message: Is it "Chinese Drama Academy" or "China Drama Academy"? The article is inconsistent. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 09:34, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drama Academy 

message: In the lead, it states his Chinese birth name as Chan Kong Sang. But in the infobox it lists his chinese name as 成龍 , which is his stage name. Shouldn't we put that in the lead as well?
Thanks, lk (talk) 15:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese Stage name  成龍 

message: It is written in the article that 
"A nervous Chan made his first visit to Taipei, Taiwan on 18 June 2008 since he accused the president of staging a shooting on the eve of elections in 2004."
May I ask reference that Actor Chan did make such a statement? While it is true that he said that the shooting is a internation joke, it was not clear if it meant it was staged?
Jing13 (talk) 05:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Actor Chan accused the president of staging a shooting" 

message: I think the article could do with another couple of images - perhaps a logo from his cafe / clothing range to illustrate the entrepreneurship stuff, and another to illustrate the charity stuff, like meeting the UNICEF people or something. Gram123 (talk) 11:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: does any one know about what styles he practices, and what belts and ranks he has? 98.206.155.132 (talk) 17:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martial Arts 

message: In interviews given to the Australian television network ABC, Jackie Chan used to describe his father when living as a chef (rather than the head cook) at the American embassy in Canberra. He used to return to Canberra often for private, unannounced visits to his parents until his father died early this year. In the Chinese-style funeral there, Jackie Chan marched at the head carrying the traditional huge portrait of his father. After the ceremony, he described his father as having been a spy at the American embassy.
Also on the ABC he said that during his schooling in Hong Kong he lost all his spoken English. He began to pick it up again while working as a builders' laborer -- a gofer -- in Canberra. His Australian colleagues knew him as "Steve". He excited some wonder in them by running up ladders with armsful of construction tools, this because he couldn't understand which tool they were calling for.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.96.201 (talk) 20:01, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackie Chan says his father was a spy 

message: It used to say that Jackie Chan is "Chinese" but for whatever reason (probably political?) it no longer says so in the introduction. Is it really that sensitive politically for someone born in Hong Kong to not be called "Chinese"? The term is not pejorative, it is not political, here it is merely cultural (although Jackie Chan is a self-proclaimed patriot of China). Why did people remove it? Colipon+(T) 01:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Chinese" 

message: The article says:
"Following the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, Chan donated ¥10 million to help those in need"
Is that 10 million Japanese yen? or Chinese Yuan. They use the same symbol. Its probably Yuan since he is Chinese but the article should be specific about which, especially since they have a significantly different value, if its Yuan its about $2 million, but if its yen its only about $100,000. Mloren (talk) 12:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yen or Yuan? 

message: The 'List of Jackie Chan Stunts' section in this article seems to be very awkwardly worded, oddly formatted and incomplete.  Should this really be kept in a featured article? Esc861 (talk) 16:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Jackie Chan Stunts 

message: Um. Since when has Jackie Chan been known for his tennis films? I'd assume this is vandalism on the page, especially the 'tennis Jew style' comment, but I like to make sure ...Art is life and life is an art. (talk) 18:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tennis"? 

message: I'd like to request some assistance with the Peking Opera School article, which covers information on the China Drama Academy amongst others, and the attendees known as the Seven Little Fortunes, of which Jackie Chan was one. I've done some work on it over time, but it could do with improvements, particularly adding references, perhaps an infobox with an image if possible, and any additional relevant information that would expand and improve the article.
Your assistance is appreciated! Gram123 (talk) 16:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for assistance 

message: The comments about Singaporeans are taken out of context and ought to be removed here.  The Shin Min Daily News is a well known evening tabloid (in broadsheet form) in Singapore that does report a lot of untruths and rumors and in this case, they certainly took an entire statement out of context to sell the paper. Note Jackie Chan never made the statement as claimed; the "Singaporean" contexts are all inserted in parentheses. The Singaporean Lianhe Zaobao even published a more objective article in their forum underlining what exactly he said.  Jackie Chan wasn't commenting about Singaporeans specifically.  He was commenting about ethnic Chinese in general (Taiwan, Hong Kong, Mainland China, Singapore, wherever) who he stated lack the social graces of counterparts in the West. 116.15.177.204 (talk) 05:08, 14 June 2009 (CDT)
:A more accurate link from the NY Times. . 116.15.177.204 (talk) 05:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments about Singaporeans 

message: I think we should delete the "Incidents" section. The story being told is extremely breif and is not very important to the article's subject. I think the formatting is the main problem - this tiny piece of information doesnt deserve its own section. If people think this information is important lets please find a way to integrate it into another section. If not I think deletion is in order. Thats just my opinion. What do others think?
Solidstatesurvivor (talk) 21:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Incidents" section 

message: The Controversy section has gradually built up recently, to the extent that it now takes up almost a third of the article. Although the section is referenced, and it undoubtedly contains some truth, it clearly holds too much weight in the article. I'm concerned that the inclusion of these incidents in such detail may be motivated by something other than a neutral attempt to improve the article. As it stands, it feels biased, by virtue of how much of the article is devoted to it.
As the "Recentism" template correctly notes, the information is slanted towards recent events. In an article covering over 50 years of Chan's life, and most notably over 30 years of his career, why are 2,000-odd words of a 7,000-odd word article dedicated to "controversial" incidents from three (seperate) years? I am not arguing for the exclusion of the section, just that it's importance in the scheme of the man's whole life is not overstated and given excessive attention. Gram123 (talk) 11:33, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with user Gram123, I think if the situation develop any further(for example alleged boycott of 1/May concert), may be a new article need to be created to cover further development? Arilang   talk 11:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the two of you. The section goes on far too long. I am going to shorten it up. --Tocino 04:06, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy section 

message: *Why caption under picture in infobox? Ucla90024 (talk) 04:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caption 

message: realise this was talked about in the featured article review but the discography section seems totally out of place. Currently the discography section appears without any mention of Chan being a singer in the body of the article (one sentence is rather hidden away in 'Image and celebrity status' which comes afterwards) Indeed there appears to be more detail in the lead than the main text even though the lead is intended to summarise the article. If chan deserves a seperate discography page then it's reasonable to expect more on his singing career in my opinion. Cavie78 (talk) 09:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: Why is the profile picture a bowl of bananas? Does this make any sense to anyone?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.82.41.19 (talk) 15:11, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was vandalism. I have removed it. Thanks so much for letting us know! Regards, Airplaneman talk 17:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profile Picture 

message: The subject of this article is listed in the Category Chinese Expatriates in the United States, however no where in the article do I see it referenced, or stated without reference, that he resides in the United States, or has become a naturalized US Citizen, either or being the definitions of what would be considered as Chinese or Asian Americans in those articles.  Therefore, I have questioned his listing in the List of Chinese Americans#Entertainment article.  If someone can find reference that he resides in the US, or is now a US Citizen, and did not just travel to the US for business only, then he would meet the minimum requirements set forth by those articles to be included. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese/Asian American 

message: Have no idea what the person meant here by "fecies":
Despite considerable box office success in The Northsouth Territories , Chan's American films have been criticised with fecies to the action choreography.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.38.176.60 (talk) 23:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  someone please fix