Talk:Jonah of Hankou

message: Apparently Bob Dylan's song "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" was written about his death, (says so in the article about the song anyway). Is this true? If so should it be added as trivia? Everytime 13:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Knockin' On Heaven's Door

message: Is there a reason why Vegaswikian wishes to remove this category from this article?
"Category:Saints"
Frjohnwhiteford 05:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a good reason why? 

message: In the edit summaries, the question was asked when St. John made the statement about St. Jonah that is quoted in the article.  He was Bishop of Shanghai from 1934 to 1946... and so it would have been during that time. The point of the quote is to show that he was being spoken of as a saint in China during that time... and the fact that he was glorified as a saint in 1996 shows that his memory endured long after his repose. Frjohnwhiteford (talk) 21:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are simply being contentious here.  Obviously it lived on for more than 21 years, because here we are talking about him. He has been glorified as a saint by the Russian Orthodox Church. Frjohnwhiteford (talk) 22:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did St. John of Shanghai make this statement? 

message: Prior to the Bolshevik Revolution, Russia's civil calendar was the same as the Church calendar.  St. Jonah reposed after the calendar change.  In the Menaion or in a menologion, his feast would be listed under October 7th.  You are not going to find the old calendar date listed for saints prior to the calendar change precisely because the date that is listed actually is the Julian Calendar date, rather than the Gregorian Calendar.  You will see the Old Calendar date for Nicholas II of Russia, for example. Frjohnwhiteford (talk) 20:52, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but Alexandra Fyodorovna (Alix of Hesse), his consort, isn't done like that. Most aren't. There is no consistent rule and it actually looks very messy and unreadable when coupled with the subject's name in Russian too. An intro should invite the reader in, not punch them in the famous with its unreadability (at the moment my eye skips over the first half of the line to the second). Most importantly, why give it so early? To 99% of readers it is unimportant, and they are our priority. By all means mention it later where it may be appropriate, and explain the Menaion issue too - and then readers will understand why it's important. It will actually be more effective that way. Btw, his feast day is October 20 in the info box - perhaps that would be an appropriate place to have the alternate date? In fact, that's actually what I would go for. Malick78 (talk) 07:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I put the old style date in the info box. Frjohnwhiteford (talk) 12:17, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Style Dates 

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