Talk:Politics of Canada

message: The section called "Conservatives in power" has some serious POV bias.  Using a single primary source, it suggests that there have been a realignment of Canadian political thought in favour of the Conservatives.  This is totally false.  In fact, despite their recent slew of election victories, the Conservative popular vote in Canada is at or near their all-time low.  One has to only look at the recent election results and do the math.  During the 1980s conservative popular vote was substantially above 50% of the popular vote.  This trend continued in the 1990s, but was splitting the vote between two conservative parties (the PC and Alliance), leading to successive Liberal majorities.  This phenomenon ended in the 2000s with the merger of the two parties.  The real reason for the Liberal party's demise and the Conservative party's ascent is the New Democratic Party which has gained significant support in every election in the 2000s, eventually pushing the Liberal party (as well as the BQ) into the background. The NDP's rise has caused a vote-split in seat-rich Ontario in the Conservatives' favour.I will try to look for some sources and redo the section. Poyani (talk) 18:05, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Poyani has his personal opinions but he has no RS.  He should read the contemporary media (Economist, Globe and Mail, MacLeans) that report on the realignment, or scholarly monographs such as How Ottawa Spends, 2010-2011: Recession, Realignment, and the New Deficit Era by G. Bruce Doern and Christopher Stoney (2011). The section in question uses ten different sources--and note the major media have stressed the theme of a major realignment. The Economist said, "the election represents the biggest realignment of Canadian politics since 1993."[8] Lawrence Martin, commentator for the Globe and Mail said, "Harper has completed a remarkable reconstruction of a Canadian political landscape that endured for more than a century. The realignment sees both old parties of the moderate middle, the Progressive Conservatives and the Liberals, either eliminated or marginalized."[9] Maclean's said, the election marked "an unprecedented realignment of Canadian politics" as "the Conservatives are now in a position to replace the Liberals as the natural governing party in Canada."[10]. Rjensen (talk) 21:30, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep this additions have come up before when they were added long time ago and still have not been fixed. I gave refs in the section above and this cause  Rjensen to simply stop talking about the problem. We have this addition added with sources to people like Eugene Lang (co-founder, Canada 2020: Canada’s Progressive Centre).  We also have a blatant Synthesis of published material that advances a position Behiels cites Tom Flanagan, Harper's Team: Behind the Scenes in the Conservative Rise to Power (2nd ed. McGill-Queens U.P., 2009); Chantal Hébert, French Kiss: Stephen Harper's Blind Date with Quebec (Knopf Canada, 2007); William Johnson, Stephen Harper and the Future of Canada (2nd ed. McClelland & Stewart, 2006); Lloyd Mackay, Stephen Harper: The Case for Collaborative Governance (ECW Press, 2006); Bob Plamondon, Full Circle: Death and Resurrection in Canadian Conservative Politics (Key Porter Books, 2006); and Paul Wells, Right Side Up: The Fall of Paul Martin and the Rise of Stephen Harper's New Conservatism (Douglas Gibson Books, 2007). This is all written with a nice POV by someone that is clearly on one side of the fence Conservapedia User:RJJensen .Moxy (talk) 22:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: there are now numerous RS that talk about realignment, and none have been presented that support the belief of Poyani that there is no realignment here. Please read the quotations. As for synthesis, that synthesis was done by scholars in RS and we report it here. As for my own politics, Moxy is totally mistaken--I am not a Canadian and I have never taken any position for or against any policy, party or personality in Canadian politics. I'm neutral. :) Perhaps Moxy should tell us where HE stands in Canadian politics so we can discount his personal POV?? Rjensen (talk) 02:51, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Rjensen, it would be much easier to take you seriously if at least one other editor would come forth and concur with you that the section is not heavily biased to one particular point of view. If one would like to talk about a true realignment in Canadian federal politics it really should be put in the context of the polarization that occurred in both Western Canada and Quebec (for different reasons) prior to the 1993 election with the rise of the neo-conservative Reform Party in Western Canada and the surge in the popularity of the separatist Bloc in Quebec, not to mention the unpopular policies of the Mulroney Conservatives, all of which led to the conditions allowing an otherwise unpopular Liberal leader (Chretien) to ride the waves of discontent to three successive majority governments. Let's talk about whether or not there is a current re-alignment after we've had at least more than one Conservative majority government in the 21st century. I agree with you that there has been a realignment; however we disagree on the nature of the realignment. I would argue that the realignment has been more so one of discontent with out of touch, unaccountable federal governments of any political stripe, to a form of regional polarization which means the Liberals can no longer count on their traditional Quebec stronghold and the Conservatives can no longer count on winning enough seats in Ontario to win a majority. Rather than choosing the boring American style of choosing between only two real options, the same old Duff and Duff Lite choices of their parents and grandparents generations, Canadians are more and more choosing alternatives other than the lesser of two evils, rather than choosing one of the two TOP (Tired Old Parties), more and more of us are voting for progressive change as demonstrated by the rise of the NDP in Quebec during the last federal election in Canada, and the gradual increase in percentage of popular vote being earned by newer parties such as the Green Party. What gets in the way of this progress is the apathy many Canadians suffer from, partly due to our equally old and tired first-past-the-post system which tends to over-represent the two traditional parties and under-represent other parties. So, in conclusion, I concur with the other editors that this whole section needs a re-write, complete with the addition of content properly referenced by other sources that add other more widely held points of view than the one you are pushing. Garth of the Forest (talk) 21:49, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conservatives in power Section POV Bias 

message: The article claims that far-right politics have never been prominent in Canada, but those sources backing up the claim were made before the PPC and the trucker convoy, which have become far more prominent in Canada, especially the latter. So is it really appropriate to say that far-right politics have never been prominent in Canada anymore? X-Editor (talk) 23:53, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the consensus of reliable sources on this topic? That would be how that is determined. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:33, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Far-right politics still not prominent? 

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message: The V-Dem citation for Canada being the 19th ranked democracy links to 4 sets of data, and 5 technical reports. For the purposes of a citation, that’s not very helpful, as the reader who wants to follow up would have to download all those materials and then hunt for the rankings. Can a more specific citation to the V-Dem data be provided? Is there an executive summary somewhere? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:25, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Added link to pdf, Table 3 with ranking HudecEmil (talk) 17:14, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks very much! Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 20:32, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify cite to V-Dem Dataset 

message: The article says this, "The historically predominant Liberals position themselves at the centre of the political scale, with the Conservatives sitting on the right and the New Democratic Party occupying the left."
But in 2012, Justin Trudeau explicitly stated that any person with even one socially conservative position would not be allowed to run for parliament, and all Liberal Party MPs were expected to vote for ALL socially liberal positions going forward. That clearly places the party well left of centre.  So, I think the above is an inaccurate statement. 74.98.11.129 (talk) 16:17, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccurate Characterization of Liberal Party