Talk:Ebonics (word)/Archive 1

message: I have no idea why, but somebody moved this page to a very uncommon name. I've moved it back per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). --mav 09:10, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  page moved back 

message: Regarding the "examples" below:
*There is no -s ending indicating possession—the genitive relies on adjacency. This is similar to many creole dialects throughout the Caribbean Sea. Example: my baby mama (="my baby's mama")
*The word it denotes the existence of something, equivalent to Standard English there in "there is", or "there are". Examples It's a doughnut in the cabinet (="There's a doughnut in the cabinet") and It is no spoon (="There is no spoon").
*Altered clause order in questions: She tryin' to act white. She think who the hell she is? (="She's trying to act white. Who the hell does she think she is?")
AFAIK, all of these are not actually correct, nor have I (as an African American) ever heard these as general rules, or in fact, other than "baby mama" and "she tryin'", I've never heard these. Also, is "-in' instead if "-ing" actually Ebonics, or simply the English language across the world? -- BCorr|Брайен 15:39, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Other grammatical features

message: We are looking at which of these is the preferable prime entry for this article (currently Ebonics)
There is a slight preference expressed for moving but only a handful of peole are involved, so I thought it worth widening the discussion.  Much discussion is in the Talk above, but we have tried to distill it below.  In particluar I have not included any of the alternative choices of title.
Please feel free to modify the lists below:
Pro move;
* Unambigous title
* Article written as if African American vernacular English was the title
* African American vernacular English correct linguistic term.
* Ebonics possibly ofensive, contraveneing naming convention.
* American Heritage Dictionary redirects from Ebonics to African American vernacular English. 
* Eonics not in widespread usage outside US?
* Ebonics a neologism, which may fade
* Ebonics is not synonomous with African American vernacular English (if true this is critical) - possibly being transatlantic.
Anti move;
* Ebonics wins a googlefight
* Ebonics in current usage in certain non-liguisitc circles?
* Ebonics shorter
* (Ebonics is a nice word. My POV.)
* Ebonics fits nameing convention - most common name.
Thanks Rich Farmbrough 12:16, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming Convention /  Move / RFC 

message: Ebonics generally refers to the vernacular itself, so when someone looks up Ebonics on Wikipedia, he should expect to see a page about the dialect.  Of course, this isn't much of a problem, since we do point directly to the AAVE page from here.  
However, since this page is about the Oakland Ebonics Controversy, perhaps we should name it Oakland Ebonics Controversy or some such, and point Ebonics over to the AAVE page.
AAVE is now African American Vernacular English, and this page now redirects to that page.  There is nothing in this article that is not included in African American Vernacular English (except the "Jeopardy" incident, which, IMO, is superfluous) -- and more effectively.  deeceevoice 02:32, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I wholeheartedly agree with this move. Once upon a time the two articles were together, and there was a dispute about whether it should be titled "Ebonics" or "African American Vernacular English". There was a compromise that the bit about the controversy could stay at "Ebonics" and the rest would move to "African American Vernacular English". However, the information about the controversy is now properly integrated into the AAVE article, so this article is superfluous. Nohat 03:35, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another move!