Talk:Deir Yassin massacre

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"Women" within the term "women and children" shoukd be temoved because it implies that mens lives are inherently less important than womens regardless of even age differences or parenthood. Apparently a 19 year old single father's life is less important that a 70 year old woman with no young children under her care whatsoever. All because one was botn male. Fathers liclves are just as important as mothers. Besides, male disposability is not an official position that should be taken by what should be a neutral website. Wikipedia should not endorse the belief that the lives of women are automatically more valuable than men (again regardless of age or parenthood status) as that is not only debatable but unethical and certainly not a neutral position.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.219.62.165 (talk) 02:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

message: The section about denying the massacre is rather myopic, only talking about a dispute within intra-Israeli politics that Benny Morris examines in his article on the historiography of Deir Yassin. In the article itself, he says that this event likely had no later impact on the historiography of Deir Yassin. I think there ought to be information added about more recent attempts to deny that the massacre took place. This article is a great example: Penkin, Kenneth D. 2014. “Deir Yassin - the Massacre That Wasn’t.” Jewish Affairs 69 (3): 46–48. There ought to be a recognition of those who do not believe Deir Yassin was a massacre, as it is relevant for current political circumstances.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnHarrisonDoe (talk • contribs) 02:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denying the Massacre 

message: Dan Kurzman's book "Genesis 1948" is a popular account of dubious reliability as a history book. If there is no source other than Kurzman for a concrete pillbox, we can't have it. Kurzman was not an eye-witness and could only have gotten this story from Irgun/Lehi sources. Zerotalk 01:19, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dan Kurzman 

message: The Jewish gangs that were in Palestine at the time were formed mostly by Jewish settlers and colonists from Europe. They were not indigenous Palestinian jews. Classifying the conflict as a civil war distorts the history and makes it seems as if these colonists had always been there. They were new comers from Europe. 2600:1700:DAD0:BD0:4510:65BD:5BAB:DFC4 (talk) 18:55, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Call it a civil war is factually incorrect 

message: Eliezer Tauber, The Massacre That Never Was: The Myth of Deir Yassin and the Creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem (The Toby Press, 2021), 336pp.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.178.91.28 (talk) 14:59, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  A New Book about the Deir Yassin Affair 

message: First line reads, “fighters from the Zionist paramilitary groups Irgun and Lehi killed at least 107 Palestinian Arab villagers“
The word killed should be replaced with massacred. Mbakir90 (talk) 09:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: This doesn't appear to be quite right. As detailed in the second paragraph,  – the term massacre is correctly applied here to those , but note it is correctly not used to refer to those . As the "at least 107" figure represents the group as a whole, "massacred" would be inaccurate as a replacement. Tollens (talk) 10:21, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 October 2023 

message: Grammar error:
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The Irgunists got one of the three Bren machine gun
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The Irgunists got one of the three Bren machine guns Ttenraba (talk) 02:10, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Tollens (talk) 03:39, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 October 2023 

message: at the top of the lede, these two sentences don't make sense together: "fighters from the Zionist paramilitary groups Irgun and Lehi killed at least 107 Palestinian[s]... in Deir Yassin, a village of roughly 600 people near Jerusalem, despite having earlier agreed to a peace pact. ... The village put up stiffer resistance than the Jewish militias had expected and they suffered casualties, but it fell after house-to-house fighting."
There's an implication that a peace pact was betrayed, but evidence given is that both sides broke the pact, or at least it's not clear what it says. If the lede is trying to say the truth is murky, success. 2603:8001:D3F0:87E0:0:0:0:10D0 (talk) 03:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  despite having earlier agreed to a peace pact...stiffer resistance than expected 

message: In the paragraph 'Deir Yassin' in the sentence " large quantities of flour, sugar, pulses and petrol were taken, all cattle seized, as well as some other livestock, and houses and shops were stripped of their goods, while substantial sums of money were also stolen." the word 'pulses' links to the wikipedia page Pulse, but should instead link to the page for pulses (legumes) Legume. RunRynRun (talk) 14:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed, thanks. Zerotalk 23:54, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor protected edit request - link to the wrong 'pulses' page 

message: Was this massacre a part of Plan Dalet?
According to Ilan Pappé's The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine:
The systematic nature of Plan Dalet is manifested in Deir Yassin, a pastoral and cordial village that had reached a non-aggression pact with the Hagana in Jerusalem, but was doomed to be wiped out because it was within the areas designated in Plan Dalet to be cleansed.
- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 06:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Part of Plan Dalet? 

message: This section gives a distorted/unbalanced/incomplete presentation of the situation. Will take some work to fix.
Key background information is totally absent. The first paragraph is good. The second paragraph not so much.
- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 22:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Template: Background - Political and military situation 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deir_Yassin_massacre&diff=1215831580&oldid=1215827765
Leaving this for discussion and review. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 11:13, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite of description of massacre 

message: The following was removed from the article primarily for being poorly sourced:
Hazem Nuseibeh, the news editor of the Palestine Broadcasting Service at the time of the attack, gave an interview to the BBC in 1998. He spoke about a discussion he had with Hussayn Khalidi, the deputy chairman of the Higher Arab Executive in Jerusalem, shortly after the killings: "I asked Dr. Khalidi how we should cover the story. He said, 'We must make the most of this.' So he wrote a press release, stating that at Deir Yassin, children were murdered, pregnant women were raped, all sorts of atrocities.""Interview with Hazam Nusseibeh" , Fifty Years' War, BBC, 1998.
*Also see Silver 1998 .
- IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 11:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content removed - poorly sourced and unsourced 

message: In the second paragraph of the article, indiscriminately is spelled incorrectly. SirFlats (talk) 17:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 17:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Word Spelled Wrong