Talk:House of Orléans

message: A lot of unsourced edits are being uploaded rapidly to this and other articles on French royalty. Some appear dubious, others wrong. [Who is to say what is dubious or wrong? There seem to be some imaginative historians who want us to believe that the Capetians were Carolingian descendants. That is wrong and merits correction. The statement about there being a genealogical chain of descendants from 486 to now is absurd.] Yet requests for reputable citations are ignored or deleted -- while the wholesale editing continues. I don't automatically object to unsourced edits that seem correct or likely, but I do post a  notice when the assertion strikes me as unprecedented, improbable or unverifiable (such as declarations about what a historical personage thought, felt, or was motivated by). Please respond to these requests, either with reputable sources or more careful edits, before adding additional unsourced material. For instance, the article has been edited to say "In 1709, the 5th Prince de Condé died...From then on, the House of Orléans were the highest ranking Princes of the Blood, outranking all other cadet branches of the House of Bourbon." In fact, in 1709 Charles, duc de Berry, a petit-fils de France, was still alive and would marry, so the Orléans were not the highest ranking cadet branch of the Bourbons in France. If a source had been sought before making this edit, the editor would have discovered the error. Not doing so, erodes credibility. FactStraight (talk) 05:52, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The duc de Berry, as a fils de France (son of the Dauphin so not a petit-fils de France), was not considered a prince of the Blood, as wasn't the Regent. So the House of Orléans was from 1709 the most senior Cadet House of Bourbon 82.242.236.21 (talk) 08:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. You're correct that Charles de France was a fils de France, nonetheless he was the head of a cadet branch of the dynasty -- his four children were not "de France" but "de Berry", surnamed for their father's appanage -- just as the Regent's children belonged to the branch "d'Orleans". The Berrys were, from 1709 to 1711, the ranking cadet branch of the House of Capet. FactStraight (talk) 10:38, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced edits

message: Just finished reading this article. It is laden with so many unnecessary details that one loses track of what the article is about.  Frania W. (talk) 17:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree, and have tagged the article for excess. Lethiere (talk) 03:34, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article extremely hard to read

message: This article contains only 5 citations. The article needs more immediately.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.107.222.217 (talk) 18:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: Did any of this, or any other, French royal family hold on to any wealth? Were they left any castles or palaces or lands at all in France after the Revolution, or after 1848? How about their possessions outside France? 188.141.10.11 (talk) 14:04, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Wealth?

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