Talk:M11 link road protest

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i was not part of the protest and so have stumbled upon this article, my question relates to the mystical Rebecca that arrives unannounced near the end of the article. who is this and are they of any significance whatsoever?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.130.95.166 (talk) 13:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: POV?

message: *M11 link road protest
*Independent Free Area of Wanstonia
*Leytonstonia
*Claremont Road, Leytonstone
Would be good to merge these stubby articles in to the main. Any thoughts? MRSC • Talk 16:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, the other articles are notable only as part of the overall protest and wouldn't swamp the main article if a merger occurred. MLA 09:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Having read this article I have concerns over the tone of the whole article.  It seems to be somewhat too essay like and reads like a lament.  It is very comprehensive, however, and one the better of the anti road protest articles.  None of this is a criticism of the authors. I have little source material on this so am reluctant to get into a full scale rewrite.  Does anyone have some good sources. Regan123 22:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone 

message: The picture of 'Munstonia'/the last house is labeled 'The eviction of "Munstonia", the last squatted house on Claremont Road in London, England, during the M11 Link Road protests'. This house wasn't on Claremont Road at all. I think it was Fillebrook Road.  lost in space 10:33 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Ooops - this is mentioned in the article....  lost in space 10:36 20 August 2012 (UTC)
* It is on what was Fillebrook Road, but to really confuse things that road now stops at number 71 and continuation eastwards of Fairlop Road has been renamed as an extension to Grove Green Road, with all the houses renumbered. Here's what it looks like today --Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:17, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Munstonia/The last house 

message: I'm going through this article and clearing it up. My gut feeling is the article is still violating WP:NPOV as reported earlier, but I think it's better than it used to be. The protest was notably picked up by local MPs and by news outlets, so it should be possible to reliably source all sides of the argument. I've made a start on the background and will be keeping a level head on this. If I stop keeping a cool head on it, shout! --Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:21, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You're doing a brilliant job. Thanks!  — Scott • talk 16:26, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: A number of statements are made in the consequences section which are vague and need citations:
*The argument about whether economic improvement would have removed planning blight if the road had not been built is unsourced. The vague supporters and critics need to be identified.
*The sentence about "perceived lack of legacy" has been removed as this was not a criticism of the road, but of Olympic planning.
*The residents complaining about lack of compensation is not cited.
*The first Hansard source does not say that compensation was complicated by the handover to TfL.
*The second Hansard source does not say anything about a grace period. It says that claims "must be made between one and six years after completion of the scheme", e.g. after the completion of the first year of road operation. The source says that £19.8 million was provided to TfL to deal with compensation claims during 2000–01 to 2004–05 including claims relating to the M11 link road.
*"Many residents have complained that their streets became rat runs for commuters trying to get ahead of queues." is misleading as the residents complaining were living around Well street common in Hackney. This is more than 1.5 miles from Leyton and the complaint actually relates to the shortcomings of roads in the vicinity of the common that were suffering rat-running to avoid Cassland Road (the A106). The reference to the M11 link road is tangential at best, and to use the complaint as a criticism of the road is dubious.
Also:
*The large box quote at the head of this section seems to be biased to one particular view point. 
*Reference 63 contains a commentary on the council report on traffic in Leytonstone town centre ("it is not clear whether such measures could have succeeded in reducing traffic on the road by themselves if the link road was not built"). This is argumentative and needs to be supported in some way.
*I have amended the item about protesters challenging their arrest at the European Court of Justice. Only one of the five people mentioned in the cited case was arrested at the M11 link road protest and all of her claims were rejected.
--DavidCane (talk) 03:00, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consequences section 

message: This article is looking absolutely great. However, the large number of references has caused it to become a bit unwieldy to edit. So, I've taken the time to convert it to using . That said, it's impolite to do that to a live article without asking other contributors, so you can see my version here in my user space to have an explore of what I've done. If you're (Ritchie, David) okay with the new version, I can apply it to the article.  — Scott • talk 12:33, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  References management 

message: I don't have time to work this into the article at present, but here's an article in New Civil Engineer magazine from 1998 about the building of the road and tunnels.  — Scott • talk 14:07, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That appears to be subscription only. However, I do remember looking through similar reports from the Civil Engineering perspective when getting the article in shape for the GA review. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:36, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well that's weird. If I click on it in these Google search results, I get the full text. If I go to the link directly, I get the subscription page. I guess they're trying to maximize their visibility to Google, or something. Does that work for you?  — Scott • talk 19:45, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
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