Talk:Irish Setter

message: I really did go through ALL the photos on stockxchg, really I did, and rejected bunches for reasons like this one--out of focus and not a very clear depiction of what the breed looks like.  But I won't argue about it being here since we don't have a lot of other breed shots.  Elf | Talk 00:51, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Good picture, Quadell.  An action shot for an active breed.Wcrowe 21:51, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Jumping Dog Picture

message: (There's a joke in there, somewhere)
I removed the links to Polish Setter sites.  This is an English webpage.  Additionally, anonymous edits piss me off in general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wcrowe (talk • contribs) 16:57, 22 March 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Now now... don't bite an all ;) -- sannse (talk) 23:45, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Polish Links

message: I posted a bit above this.  Still new to Wiki.
I have found an even longer discussion of the development of the Red Setter on the National Red Setter Field Trial Club's website. (I added a link to the Irish Setter article).  Perhaps this information would be better placed under an article on the "Red Setter" rather than the Irish Setter article. I do not have a dog in this fight, HA HA.  I hunt primarily flushing dogs and I certainly do not intend offend anyone.  It just seems that if one were using Wikipedia to research Gun Dog breeds, an article that leaves all of the information about the Field Dog Stud Book Red Setter out does the breed a disservice.  As the article stands, it states that this is now primarly a house pet breed.  While this may be true for the majority of the dogs, it is not the whole truth and is not the purpose for which the dogs were bred initially.
--Counsel 03:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless the distinction exists in the US, "red setter" is simply an erroneous term for the irish setter. - Hayter 09:06, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not a question of taking offense, but a question of accuracy. I too have hunted with dogs all my life.  What are often thought of as "breeds" in the field are not recognized as breeds by kennel clubs.  The "Brittanies" I hunted with in my boyhood would not conform to the breed standards for Britannies as found in most kennel clubs around the world (those dogs were clearly cross-bred with English setters).  Many people who work dogs in the field don't care about breed standards, but only how well the dogs work.  I recommend you create an article on the Field Dog Stud Book and explore things from that angle.  You can then create a "see also" link in the Irish Setter article to point to that information. In my mind this approach would satisfy everyone and would also be accurate.The Dogfather 16:06, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Working Red Setters 

message: The AKC delegate stated among other things that he did not thing that the FDSB was the predominate registry for English Setters, however according to the AKC site only 657 English Setters were registered witht he AKC in 2005.  It is not hard to imagine that the FDSB which registers primarily pointing breeds and registers 5,000 litters a year would be the predominate registry.
I think that the information about the field bred Red Setter is better posted on the Irish Setter article (rather than a separate Red Setter article).  I have verified all of the information that I posted and found at least two sources to back each portion of it.  I understand that as far as this breed is concerned the AKC may be uncomforatable with a portion of the history as it is one of the breeds most often cited in criticism of that organization. 
--Counsel 21:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on Registration 

message: I think that Red Setter should probably be a topic within this article, per Seanoquinn|Counsel's info above.  See Talk:Red Setter.  Elf | Talk 17:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the merge tag to both pages. Just to clarify my position, I think Red Setter should be brought into this, rather than the other way around. - Hayter 13:21, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look at the merge tags they can be made directional.  I have done so for you. Fiddle Faddle 09:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I moved the unsigned bit above to this spot as it seems to fit here better.  The statement above is a bit contradictory.  It starts out saying that the Red Setters (presumably the FDSB dogs) should not be lumped in with the AKC Irish Setters, but finishes by saying that if the Red Setters want to be recognized as a separate breed they should petition the AKC, inter alia, for such recognition. The anonymous author seems to believe that the AKC is the sole authority on what a dog is. The FDSB has already recognized them.  Many of these owners do not want AKC recognition as they see it as detrimental to the working characteristics of the breed.  The fact that one of the dogs on the page is both the grandfather and uncle of your dogs is exactly what many see as a primary problem with AKC breeding.  My guess is that many of the dogs in your family tree have FDSB Red Setter blood if they are all field champions.  The two were officially mixed liberally before the AKC-FBSB split and surreptitiously afterward.  I continue to support combining and placing the Red Setter material under the heading "Red Setter Controversy"--Counsel 00:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recombine Red Setter with Irish Setter

message: Whatever. Spell the controversy out under the heading. The current section gives no clue what it's about. Koro Neil (talk) 07:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Red Setter" controversy

message: Hi, this just got removed on the basis that it is a joke. My understanding is that madra rua is gaelic for red dog and is a common name for the breed in Ireland, can anyone confirm this? pcrtalk 18:54, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, while madra rua literally translates as "red dog", it in fact means "fox" and is a synonym of sionnach. I've added a source showing that the Irish word for Irish Setter is sotar rua, which literally means "red setter". +Angr 12:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madra Rua 

message: Gaelic like most languages uses idiomatic expression. It is correct to say Madra means Dog, however Rua means Russet. The Gaelic for red is Dearg, Dog can be translated as Gadhar, Madra or Cú (Hound) &c.  If one uses the expression Madra Rua one then one refers to the Red Fox (Vulpes Vulpes). The fox is of the Dog family and appears russet, ipso facto, Madra Rua. What may confuse non gaelic speakers is that Sionnach may be given in the Dictionary as the Fox, if a larger Foclair where perused one would find Madra Rua equals Fox. Consider Dobhar Cú; Water Hound: Otter. Madra Crann (more commonly Iora Rua: "Russet" Squirral): Tree Dog: Red Squirral. Fia Rua: Wild Red: Red Deer. Fia Buí: Wild Yellow: Fallow Deer.
Consider the English Sea Dog, it is the obsolete term for Shark and currently is a term for a Sea Man. Setter is used in Modern Gaelic: Setter Rua.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.1.88.48 (talk) 13:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I take my hat off to you sir. You certainly know your stuff.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 00:34, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sionnach

message: The dog in the picture is not standard. The muzzle is too tall, and the body is too broad to be a setter. The dog looks more like a retriever than an Irish setter. It is not representative of the breed. -Nikbro (talk) 05:14, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breed picture 

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