Talk:Azad Hind

message: You are saying that British were committed to leave India from 1942, they said they would leave India after First World War. But what happened? British were comparatively weaker then Soviet Union and United States but were they weaker at the end of the war then 1930? No. They were at there strongest point after world war. Neither U.S.A. nor Soviet Union showed any opposition to British Rule in India. But France and Netherlands condemned the British decision of leaving India as there colonies on South East Asia depended on British Military dominance at India. But still British left India. There is no doubt that British didn't care about India. But still they left. Reason? Gandhi lead movement? Impossible. It is there fear of Bose. British didn't believe the Japanese claim that Bose is dead, they saw this by suspect. All major spy agencies of allies got active in finding the truth, but none succeed. Bose foresaw that Soviet-West alliance is temporary. Allies did know this by the meetings at the end of War at Europe. British were afraid that Bose would meet Stalin, impress him as he did to Nazis, Italians and Japanese. Japanese prime minister, Gen. Tojo was so impressed that he promised the Indian Independence. Bose was semi-socialist, so chances of his and Russian friendship were strong. So to avoid any possible war which left India united, strong and with a very strong leader- British left India immediately. Mountbatten was so afraid that he made British left India even sooner. British have seen the effect of arrest of INA soldiers. So they clearly know what would happen if they don't leave India. And now about Japanese-Bose relations. Japanese don't want to create a puppet state, Japanese clearly know that they need a strong ally who can keep British and other western powers at bay and there influence grow at South East Asia and pacific. Japanese helped Bose till the end. If they were helping India for there own selfish ends they might have left Bose much earlier. Japanese consider and still consider India as holy land of influence and light. They consider India's rightful share over it's land. Tell me the reason behind Japanese giving control of Andaman and Nicobar to Bose? Actually, major military decisions were taken by Japanese and major Administrative decisions were taken by Bose. Military decisions were more influenced by Japanese as it was there weapons, supplies, etc. Administrative decisions were taken by Bose as it was there land. And it was also easy for Japanese, if they want to create a puppet India, they they have to conquer whole India, but if they want ally India then they just have to conquer Imphal. As, if they are able to conquer Imphal with INA, then there way to Delhi would be cleared. People of India would have totally supported INA-Japan after this. British would had been hunted like animals and India would had got independence. If the Independent India enter the war, Soviet Unions would definitely had changed sides seeing better option with allaying India and Japan. Allies would have no option then giving Soviet Union command of West Europe, Bose getting the Independent Greater India and leaving Japan with it's territories. 
So to avoid this British left India... They had. And the talks between Lord Mountbatten and British Prime Minister is still kept secret by this fucking traitors Congressmen.
Sources: Books by Azad Hind ministers(written after independence), history and commonsense(Not so  common :P) and I'm historian. --User:Leodescal (talk) 05:26, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: INA gave independence, not stupid non-violence

message: 1. More primary sources! A lot of the stuff I'm finding is mostly scholarly research but we need more firsthand accounts from the occupied Andaman islands and from the actual ministers of Azad Hind.
2. More of life under the control of Azad Hind. From what I can gather, the government was pretty impotent with most of the governing work done by the Japanese military. 
3. More people to come help!
I was responsible for putting in most of the information about the Andaman & Nicobar Islands, derived from the few books which have been written on the subject. The difficulty is that whilst Mohan Singh & Gurbux Singh Dhillon published memoirs of their time in the INA, Loganathan and the other members of the Provisional Govt. do not seem to have done so. The Japanese destroyed all the records on the Andamans when they left, and the accounts I've read rely mainly on interviews with elederly inhabitants who lived through this period, and a couple of unpublished manuscripts (See the main article Invasion and Occupation of the Andaman Islands during World War II. Wikipedia is not a place for original research, so we have to rely on published sources which others can verify. Sikandarji 09:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Start of Article and suggested course of expansion

message: ::Frankly, I am not too happy with the changes that have been made to this page over the last month or so, which in my view grossly exaggerate the role of the "Provisional Government of Free India" in securing India's independence. When all's said and done, it was nothing more than an Axis puppet state. The British were committed to leaving India from 1942 after the Cripps Mission (which is why Congress agreed to participate in State elections in 1946) and the INA trials and the RIN Mutiny were minor factors - and in any case these have only the most tenuous connection with the actual activities of "Azad Hind" in the only territory it even nominally controlled, namely the Andaman Islands. References to jingoistic newspaper articles and other wikipedia articles are not really satisfactory. Any comments? Sikandarji 22:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. Parts of the article aren't factually accurate and represent more of a nationalistic POV than the reality of how little power the INA and Azad Hind really had working with the Japanese. Over the next couple of days I'm going to go through and mark the specific stuff I'd like looked at. --Woogums 22:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a separate article for the Indian National Army and a lot of these additions (such as the latest reference and quote) belong there and not on this page. Sikandarji 16:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The INA-related stuff in the 'Relationship with Japan' section is stuff I'd like either moved to another section or removed entirely. What do you think? I'd do it now but I'm at work, heh. --Woogums 22:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text:  It seems it doesn't agree with your point of view rather than exaggerate. The role of the AZH in securing India's independence is not a matter of exaggeration but taking a non-biased viewpoint beyond the military campaign, into the political situation after the war, right from Imphal to the mutinies in the de-mobillising Indian forces. For that to be considered, you need to consider the entire Azad Hind Movement, and not just the INA in Imphal or Kohima. Speculatory and inaccurate facts ought to be removed. But the POVs put down are not just the editor's, they are referenced to Specific govt. intelligence and view points at the time(at least the ones I put down are), and of historians of then and now. I am sure you can find (and you have found) POVs that match yours. Other editors have found stuff to support their's. Fair shout.Rueben lys 11:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apparent exaggeration of the role of Azad Hind on India's attainment of freedom

message: I have removed the term puppet state from the intro into the article and added in a later line whithin the introduction that it is held as a puppet state by some. This is for two reasons. First of all, as the link to the term puppet state itself shows that it is a Pejorative political term and is listed under this category as well, it is therefore a violation of the NPOV policy. Secondly, also from the page on Puppet State, the term is used in the context of denying political legitimacy, and therefore, again, is violating NPOV policy in a controversial article like this, where a number of opposing view points exist (as is clear from the discussions above). And lastly, the page puppet state also lists  the Azad Hind government and held some inaccurate information (it has been edited now). I think given the POV nature of the term (and from the edits in the main article, including one reversion of a similar edit, it is a very touchy topic and has many view points), this term should not be used in this article without clarifying that it is alleged by some and refuted by others that it was a puppet state.Dudewheresmywallet 17:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing the word [[Puppet state|Puppet State]] within the introduction

message: I've added a line which states that a movie about the INA was made in 2005, directed by Shyam Benegal. Jvalant 07:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bose: The Forgotten Hero 

message: Going through what I am reading at the moment, I have to say, the Indian perception described here, the middle paragraph on Andaman occupation, is only one and a minority view and does not at all describe what happened and how Indians percieved the Azad Hind government and its army, the Indian National Army. In fact, the organisation was feted as a immensely patriotical organisation without compare, and came to possess a very strong legitimacy in the eyes of common Indians (forget the army), and in fact was a ground for defence of the INA officers. Most of the article concetrates on the army and the japanese occupation of andaman, of which the latter was not, and is still not, the grounds on which Azad Hind is seen.As for the army, it too caught a similar notion, but more on the INA than Azad Hind. This needs to be described properly and in context.Rueben lys 13:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Accuracy

message: There's seem external links throughout this article that need sorting out. The only form of external link or reference in one paragraph was to http://www.geocities.com/netajimystery/roy which I've removed because (1) it's a geocities page so unlikely to be a reliable source, and (2) it's a dead link anyway. Someone needs to go through and sift the links, but also to add in decent references where required. Purgatorio (talk) 19:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The external link labelled "Subhas Chandra Bose, the Indian National Army and India's War of Liberation" is deaf, I've removed it. --Schwalker (talk) 09:10, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: The Journal of Historical Review was not peer-reviewed and was not a journal accepted by most professional historians because its main focus, like the Institute for Historical Review's, was to deny the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews, which almost all historians accept as simple fact.
Of course, it's certainly possible that someone could publish a perfectly reputable scholarly article in such a publication, or that a specific narrative, fact, judgement or conclusion within an invalid article might still prove to be well-founded, well-grounded and supported by sound evidence. 
But a source that was more widely-accepted would be better support for the points on which Ranjan Borra's article is cited, and less likely to sow doubts in the minds of those who want to know more about all sides of the difficult questions about S.C. Bose, the INA and Azad Hind. (For example, how much were they puppets of the racist, genocidal regimes of the Axis, and how much a worthy vehicle of Indians' desire for freedom?)
The same article by Ranjan Borra in the JHR is also cited in the Wikipedia entry for the Indische Legion.
Shakescene (talk) 04:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''The Journal of Historical Review'' 

message: I find it extremely distressed to note that there are people who still believe in the theory that Netaji was killed in an "air-crash" in Taiwan.It has been conclusively proved by the Justice Mukherjee Commission-- which probed the circumstances leading to Netaji's disappearance-- that the so called crash never happened and it was used by Netaji as a smoke screen to enable him to evade the Allies and escape to Soviet Russia from where he planned to continue his struggle for Indian indepedance.This assertion by Justice Mukherjee is based on the statements given by Taiwanese authorities to the effect that no air crash ever happened on 18th Aug 1945 which is unfairly stated by the Governemnt of India as Netaji's death date.The Government of India apart from rejecting the findings of the Mukherjee commission has preferred to stick to the findings of the Shah Nawaz and the G.D.Khosla commssions which arrived at a premedidated conclusion that Netaji did die in the alleged aircrash at Taiwan for reasons best known to them.The veracity of the findings of the two commissions stated above and the integrity and the impartiality of the gentleman who headed these commissions have always been a subject of hot debates.
It should be noted that a huge controversy was created in 1992 when the then Narasimha Rao government decided to confer the Bharat Ratna on Netaji 'posthumously'.The 'posthumous' nature of the award was seen as an attempt by the then government to push down the throat of the people a false theory of Netaji' death when it was well known that the mystery behind his death still remains a mystery.Consequently the award was withdrawn in the face public outcry as the government did not want to come clean on the real cause of his death.
NETAJI   IS    RETURNNING    IN    INDIA   SOON   IN   SECOND   BIRTH  LIKE   KARAN-ARJUN
With this background I request the learned men and women who contribute valuable information to this site to delete the lines which bolster a false theory of Netaji's death and instead say that the cause of his death is a mystery till this day with no successive governments showing any interest to demystify the murky events that happened on and after 18th Aug 1945.There are theories doing the rounds which say that Netaji was probably incarcerated in a Siberian gulag.Let us make collective efforts to bring out the truth and also make a proper evaluation of the contributions of our revolutionary freedom fighters.please go the site www.missionnetaji.org for more details. Jai Hind!
Arunsubramaniyan (talk) 10:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Netaji did die as a result of the plane crash at Taihoku on 18 August 1945. The Japanese investigation reports of 19 Sept 1945 & Jan 1956, the British India Govt investigation of Sept 1945, Figgess' report of July 1946, Turner's report of Oct 1946, Taiwanese investigation report of 1956, the INA's administrative wing IIL's investigation of 1953 & Harin Shah's investigation, all confirmed Netaji's death in plane crash. So did India Government's Inquiries of 1956 & 1974 (Shah Nawaz Khan Committee & Justice Khosla Commission). The Inquiry of 2005 (Mukherjee Commission) failed to determine how Netaji died. It's report got rejected by the government. It is handiwork of some people to present Netaji's death as a mystery & rule the roost 45.112.68.39 (talk) 16:52, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Netaji's death in an alleged air-crash in taiwan is false 

message: Most, or perhaps all, references to "Bose" by surname alone need to be disambiguated. In most or all cases, given names must be used, as the surname alone is ambiguous in the context of the article. In many cases, it is not clear to the reader which Bose is being referred to.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 20:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just as a side-comment, Wikipedia's search (I think a vain one) for some kind of disembodied, uniform "encyclopaedic style" has made a small fetish of dropping first names and titles and only using surnames. American and popular newspapers dropped first names mainly to save space, as broadcasters do to save time and breath, whereas Wikipedia suffers from no such shortage, but where there's ambiguity, or even a momentary distraction as the reader pauses to determine who's being referred to, first names, initials and/or (neutral) titles ought to be inserted. See, for example, the editing history of Martina von Trapp. —— Shakescene (talk) 21:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bose (disambiguation) 

message: User:VolkovBot deleted the language referral along the side to an Urdu version. I read no Asian scripts, so I'm not sure what I'd encountered at the page that the former link led to. It's probably the Urdu version of some standard Wikipedia notice (e.g. "This page doesn't yet exist; would you like to create one?"), although it contains a reference to Wikipedia's Criteria for Speedy Deletion. Can someone who can read Urdu tell what's going on at the Urdupedia? I doubt that it's important, but the talk page histories for Azad Hind, the Indian National Army, etc., are full of nationalistic deletions and restorations of Urdu and Hindi versions, so I can't be sure. (Did some patriot or anti-patriot delete a whole translation of this article from the Urdu edition?) —— Shakescene (talk) 08:00, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Urdu version deleted 

message: I do not claim any expertise in this subject and read the page in question only by happenstance. However, I immediately noted what seemed to be language that suggested that the various authors of the page were not consistently maintaining a scholarly neutrality.
I note the description of a "fabulous" medical practice. It seems to me that this is a word best relegated to gossip columnists and publicity flacks. Might not "large" or "successful" or "financially rewarding" be more objective and verifiable?
I note the statement that the Japanese did not "dare" interfere with the Azad Hind government is made without any real support. I find it difficult to believe that a government which "dared" to plan and execute an attack against a well regarded and technologically up to date American Navy and simultaneously embroil itself in war with the British empire and its allies would be much concerned about one of the myriad puppet states it created during the course of the war.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rillifane (talk • contribs) 07:01, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral point of view 

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message: The article as it stands currently is riddled with lines like "Bose, however, remains a hero in present-day India and is remembered as a man who fought fiercely for Indian independence" and seemingly original research that doesn't cite any sources, like "It is inaccurate to term Bose solely as a fascist." It also has a plethora of unsourced claims and in many places reads more like an opinion piece than an encyclopedia article.
I have therefore tagged the article with the POV template. Smtchahal (talk) 05:51, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I second this. The article is overtly sympathetic to Bose and his organization, which is improper for a supposedly objective encyclopedia. Rather than merely describing the controversy, the article seems to take a side. For example, it calls the view that Bose was a fascist collaborator “propaganda”, when it’s actually a legitimate historical argument.Jogarz1921 (talk) 05:16, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed neutrality 

message: So I'd just like to resolve this issue now, was Azad Hind a puppet state of the Japanese Empire or not? 66.215.84.193 (talk) 02:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Add a WP:RS source here and discuss. I am not sure what you are basing this on. Thanks. Adamgerber80 (talk) 01:14, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was a puppet state of Imperial Japan and I provided a source. I don't know why this information is disputed, it's common knowledge for those who are interested in World War II and have read about it. (120.144.156.6 (talk) 04:00, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Provide a source here and we can discuss. You cannot use the common knowledge logic here. We need a WP:RS. Adamgerber80 (talk) 05:02, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

text:  I see you have added a source. That is fine. Thanks. Adamgerber80 (talk) 05:05, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puppet government 

message: It is very doubtfully, that this emblem could be the seal of the Provisional Government of Free India. I have found this emblem in the article AXIS AND ALLIED PROPAGANDA TO INDIAN TROOPS. And the description tells us, that this emblem was depicted on the German leaflet, which was dropped on Indian troops fighting in North Africa in 1942. But the the Provisional Government of Free India was established in 1943.
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So, I have replaced this emblem with those one, which is on the first page of the Azad Hind Gazette (Vol. 1, No. 2), published in 1944. It is an official gazette of the Provisional Government of Free India and of the Azad Hind Fauj. Reproduction of this gazette is placed in the book “The Springing Tiger: A Study of the Indian National Army and of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose” (author: Hugh Toye; year: 2009; publisher: Allied Publishers; ISBN 9788184243925) (pages No. 185—187). — صلاح الأوكراني (talk) 00:01, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: please, provide sources, that the Provisional Government of Free India used this emblem as a seal. — صلاح الأوكراني (talk) 08:00, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seal or emblem 

message: The term some Indian is not applied in context of support of INA. None ultimately opposed it and and also public reaction started before the political parties reaction. The role of Naval Revolt in support of freedom of INA officers, corresponding revolts in all disciplines of Armed forces also contributed a lot. The then PM of UK,  Atley's Comment in AIR after independence also recognized INA as the solemn cause of British fleeing from India within 2 years of victory in WW2. Subhoghosal7 (talk) 17:53, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No. That's a misinformation created by a government official of West Bengal. Clement Attlee never said that. Editorkamran (talk) 17:57, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the term some Indian was Included than Indian in case of support of INA. The movement were not opposed ultimately by anyone in India. 

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message: Why is it skewed to the east? The Andaman and Nicobar islands dont even go that far Danial Bass (talk) 20:32, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map not centrally showing to India 

message: @Lamba Chaura so you mention Wikipedia:INDICSCRIPT but that same page says "Additionally, there are too often problems with verifiability of the accuracy of the non-English spelling.", the seal that the image is based on clearly shows the text so there is no "problem with verifiability of the accuracy of the non-English spelling" as we can clearly see it. NorthTension (talk) 03:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Vif12vfsee above as well, I can take removing the text at the top of the infobox but the seal is in it's proper place and also is a direct transcription of the image itself. NorthTension (talk) 15:55, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Indic script is not allowed in India-related articles, that is the current standard. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 15:57, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please stop adding Indic script to article. Lamba Chaura (talk) 17:21, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indic Script