Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Work via WikiProjects/Archive 1

message: I just stumbled on this page.  While you haven't contacted our project yet, I thought you might be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies/Progress, which gives an idea of the status of articles - those rated three or four out of four with results completed are generally our best articles. Warofdreams talk 13:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! I just added your WikiProject to our contacting list last night, so I was taking a look at the project, but I didn't see the progress page.  I'll take a look soon. Thanks, Walkerma 14:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies]] 

message: Note that Six-Day War is detailed and referenced, and Yom Kippur War is a FA. 216.196.152.59 02:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the info, these are nice articles. Walkerma 06:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:WikiProject Arab-Israeli conflict 

message: You may want to look here Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Featured_Albums_Project for well-written album articles. In addition, Smile (Brian Wilson album) by the Beach Boys is a featured article. Gflores Talk 00:43, 6 December 2005 
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:Thanks for this, it looks like a really useful list, exactly the kind of thing we need. Walkerma 06:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A similar page... Portal:Music/Featured_articles. Lists Music related featured articles. Gflores Talk 19:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

text: What a great idea for a page! Maybe we should start a similar one for science FAs. Thanks a lot, Walkerma 01:41, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Featured_Albums_Project|WikiProject Albums]] 

message: Any hint of how to automate assesement?  I'd like to have some simple "ticky-marks" to check-off on a page.  In other words, I'd like to have a way of declaring "I agree with this assesment", or "I disagree", and also have a way of seeing how many other editors reviewed the given article, and what thier votes were. I'd also like to see the grand-total list of articles from my project. At this time, its not even clear where the current assesment, if any, can be viewed. linas 19:20, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The automation side of WP1.0 is on the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Wiki_Sort project (sister to this project), this user-based assessment is supposed to come in early next year according to Jimbo's interview for Nature yesterday.  This project involves contacting WikiProjects one by one, and asking the people there for their assessments.  For example, people at Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics are much more able to assess your article on Wave-particle duality than I am, so we ask for their opinion.  There are only two (very busy) people working on this project, so it's taking some time to process all the WikiProjects, but so far we've contacted all of the Economics ones, and many of the Arts and the Humanities ones.  If you click on the links near the top of the project page, you'll see the five categories listed, for example the Arts WikiProjects; you can see that only about half of the projects have responded.  A typical discussion is this one. We'll probably contact the Science and Technology WikiProjects in January.  If you'd like to help with the work here, we'd love to have you join us...! Cheers, Walkerma 01:24, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automation 

message: Is there a proposed mechanism for tagging b-class articles? The :Category:Mathematics might have several thousand of these; I think that it would be a lot easier if we could add a B-class template to an article talk page, and having that template auto-include in a category, than it would be maintaining a list by hand. Right? linas 04:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My experience was at WP:Chem, where the worklist tracks 380 articles regularly, and that system has worked very well there, but we haven't handled thousands of articles.  There isn't a mechanism such as you describe, though it was recently proposed on the main project talk page.  For your situation I can see the attraction.  One problem is that the B-Class status needs checking (in my experience in chem, at a minimum of every 6 months, preferably every 2), and without an active list the temptation might be to let the assessments stay - but I think you could build a system that deals with that.  Of course here at WP 1.0 we are facing the problem of handling many thousands of assessments. I have been hesitant myself on this, mainly because I was the one who proposed the A/B/Start/Stub system in the first place, and I didn't want to be seen to be "foisting" this scheme onto everyone - but it does now seem to be gaining some general acceptance. And your method is certainly an easier way of handling them! I'll try to raise this topic again. Cheers, Walkerma 05:51, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

text: FOLLOWUP. I posted comments here. I also solicited comments from the Military history project, like you they have thousands of articles to deal with, and they recently started a worklist using the A/B/Start/Stub system. Walkerma 06:15, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Horrible idea, in my opinion.  With a worklist, it's easy to keep track of WHO has given an article certain ratings; with a talk-page template, we'd have to deal with articles appearing in the category at random, with no assurance that they had actually been looked at by a member of the project. —Kirill Lokshin 14:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh, OK. That's a good reason. I was looking for some way of simplifying/automating. I'm intimately familiar with a few hundred articles, I was hoping to avoid the tedium of editing a long list. linas 19:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagging B-class articles 

message: Are we including Featured Lists in the worklists? WP Final Fantasy wants to know. Gflores Talk 16:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The short answer IMHO is YES, include lists. In important question! In theory, the FAs First people would be dealing with that, and so they should set the policy.  In practice I think we need to track FAs on a project-by-project basis here too.  When Maurreen & I discussed this, we both thought that some lists and other "non-articles" are going to be an essential part of WP1.0.  For example I listed a few lists in the WikiProject Elements & Isotopes listing yesterday, because these projects often deal with things like periodic tables or isotope charts which are "must-haves" as far as I am concerned.  Walkerma 18:58, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists

message: Hi, I'm going on the road for a few days, so could I ask one of you guys to check up on the science contacts we made?  Lots were contacted on March 9th, but with many there's been no contact with them since - I don't want them to think we're just spamming them.  Sometimes our contacts trigger people doing a lot of work compiling lists (e.g., the astronomical objects people are putting a worklist together), we need to show we appreciate their work!  I've checked in with all down our list as far as the chemistry/geology list, but sections 5 (Computer Science) onwards still need re-contacting.
Btw, Titoxd, I really like your latest iteration of our contact message, I'll start using it when I next do contacts (I think we need to contact the regional notice boards).  Those contacts and the "Places" listings that Titoxd contacted (thanks!) are probably going to be particularly important if the Geography project gets going.  Also, Btw Shanel, I have downloaded the automation software you mentioned to speed up the contacting - now I've just got to learn how to use it.  Thanks, Walkerma 16:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, no problem. I'll go contact them regularly, as I'm member of a science WikiProject myself. If you need it, my message is available at my Project sandbox, so you can recycle it and adjust it as you see fit. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 18:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I am going to borrow Titoxd's template, but for my part, it'd be the arts. —Mirlen 13:11, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contacting science WikiProjects and stuff 

message: At least one wikiproject I know of, Wikipedia:WikiProject Stargate has not been contacted, and is not on the list.  Please refrain from saying that you have contacted all projects until you actualy have contacted them.  Either contact the rest or don't say you have contacted them all thnaks.  Tobyk777 01:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That goes the same for Wikipedia:WikiProject Middle-earth.  However, being a member of the wikiproject, I can contact them. —Mirlen 13:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I contacted WikiProject Middle-earth, so I am going to go ahead and add it to the list. —Mirlen 13:22, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also contacted Stargate. I'm going to leave the one or more remain message, just in case there's a few more there we didn't reach. —Mirlen 15:19, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, the thing is that we use the list at List of WikiProjects, which is slowly getting out of date. I asked Interiot if he could run a query to find most WikiProjects, and here's the results, which we may want to use to weed out inactive WikiProjects. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 20:14, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Not all Wikiprojects have been contacted!!!

message: Hi. I'm interested in feedback on Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Release Version Qualifying. It's essentially an idea to use a process similar to WP:FAC to identify and handle articles and lists that would go in a release version. Maurreen 18:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1.0 "Release Version Qualifying"

message: Please see note at Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team. Maurreen 17:54, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiprojects and core topics

message: Hi, I remember you came to WikiProject Comics a while back, and I meant to get round to responding and never did.  What have you got for comics articles so far? Hiding  talk 20:05, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at the WP1.0 comics article list, and please add to this!  The discussion is archived here.  We will be contacting you again soon, asking for a list of major comic topics. Thanks! Walkerma 22:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ta.  I've added a few I feel are of value, will check a few more. Hiding The wikipedian meme 19:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a good place to suggest articles? 

message: Following on from discussion on the main WP1.0 talk page connected with meshing this project with topics, we were planning new contact with the WikiProjects.  Tito had suggested the wording be something like:
Hello! We had previously contacted you to identify the quality articles in your WikiProject, and now we need a few more favors. If it were possible for you to revise the Core Topics list, to identify the articles that should be included in a small CD release due to their importance, regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be sent to collaborations for improvement, as well as to help you identify which articles are the most important for you. As well, we ask you to keep updating your WikiProject article table for articles of high quality. Thanks!
I would propose something like the following altered version, but read my comments below too, it will need some revamping.
Hello! We had previously contacted you to identify the quality articles in your WikiProject, and now we need a few more favors. We would like you to identify the "key articles" that should be included in a small CD release due to their importance, regardless of quality. We will use that information to assess which articles should be sent to collaborations for improvement, as well as to help you identify which articles are the most important for you. As well, we ask you to keep updating your WikiProject article table for articles of high quality. Thanks!'
I am proposing we consistently use the term key article to indicate that it is one of the most important articles from that project - this suggests some importance, though to a lesser degree than core topics or vital articles.
Some other issues to resolve before we start sending this message are:
* We need to make sure our last set of contacts have been followed up on, and the tables updated accordingly.  Thanks, Tito, for all your help with this recently, I really appreciate that.
* We need to update our listing of projects to contact.  Again Tito has been great, getting a script written to get us up-to-date.
* We need to consider how many articles we want projects to send us, because otherwise we may get 100 postings on our personal talk pages saying "How many?"  This may have to be resolved ny classifying the projects as top level like History, which could be asked to supply a worklist of 100 articles, where something lower down like Polish history (inactive?) would be just asked for a top 10 or 20.  The "top level" projects could also be asked to look at core topics articles in their field, whereas lower level projects would not (they typically won't cover such broad subjects).
* For simplicity, I would like to keep all of the articles from one particular WikiProject together.  That will mean revising the tables slightly to include some way of indicating whether something is a key article or not.  However, once done it will be much easier for us to keep track and also for the projects themselves to start editing.
* I think we should encourage groups to edit their own tables as much as possible, as the proposed contact post suggests.
* We need to have a consistent name for the post.  The word "collaboration" was added to some later posts, and this broke the links from our WVWP pages that are labelled "Contact with WikiProject:Sea Urchins".  
* Is it possible to use transclusion for our tables?  Tito, you seem to know a lot about this kind of thing, and the cyclones project seem to do things like this - can you work wonders once again?  It would be really good if we could automagically list and count our A or B-Class articles, and even better if we could automate things such that other WP1.0 lists (perhaps things like this tree could be updated as the assessments are updated.  Currently, if an article like Australia at the Winter Olympics gets upgraded to FA (as it was recently), we have to locate the project table (in hobbies, Aussie sports) and manually change it.  Then we have to go manually into the list of A-Class articles and change it.  Think about it - even if just 150 projects (out of 700) provide us with 20 articles each, we will have 3000 article to try to monitor with about 4 people!  I was also thinking about seeing if we could do something like this at WP:Chem with their worklist.
Comments? Walkerma 05:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll leave the details to you guys, but I just wanted to say that I like and appreciate the direction you're moving in. Thanks. Maurreen 16:01, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the idea a lot.  Should we start contacting the WikiProjects? —Mirlen 17:26, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's better to go through checking that the WikiProject we've contacted already haven't added new things to their talk pages, and if they have, to copy them to the table. Then, we can start checking Interiot's report, and after that, we should begin Round 2 of contacts. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 21:34, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've updated the template, by the way. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 00:29, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've also gone through the Places, Technology and Science lists, and the only one that needs to be updated is WP Game theory. I'm short on time, and it's a long list, so if anyone wants to take it, that would be very helpful. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 00:27, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I had just removed Game theory from the Science listing, right before I saw this note. I guess that leaves Arts, Hobbies and Humanities to double-check, as I've double-checked the other four pages now. As to your question - if a WikiProject is ahead in assessments or has provided key articles on their page, it basically means a template can't be used, agreed. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 05:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New contact with projects 

message: This is just food for thought ... at some point it might be good to ask them about the best or most important lists. Maurreen 16:01, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Asking another favor about sending in some of their best lists or key lists that are in need of collaboration. --Mirlen 17:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the plan! Walkerma 19:08, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists?

message: I was thinking of maybe being an associate member, for country and continent (possibly more later). OK? Maurreen 15:49, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, we can use all the help we can get.  With you coordinating the Geography project, it would be great to have you do at least some of the "Places" contacts personally. Thanks, Walkerma 14:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Associate membership?