Talk:Northern Maramureș

message: I move a motion on the removal of merger suggestion on the following grounds:
#) Carpathian Ruthenia is an article that talks about the region inhabitted by Rusyns, i.e. without spcifying fixed political boundaries, in the historic Kingdom of Hungary and in Austria-Hungary. Northern Maramures is an article that talks about a very specific geographic region, whose boundaries were determined politically. Northern Maramures was a component part of Subcarpathian Ruthenia (Czechoslovakia, 1920-1939), and is a component of Transcarpathian Region (USSR and Ukraine, 1946-present). One can suggest merger with these two, but it does not make sence to merge with Carpathian Ruthenia. 
#) However, there are other component parts of Subcarpathian Ruthenia / Transcarpathian Region, namely: Ung, Bereg and Ugocsa. I strongly believe each of them desearves a separate article, since otherwise the mother-article will be very-very big. The region will see an upsurge in turism in the next years/decades, so it makes sence to have articles not only about the big region, but about historic components. I mean, there will be a lot of information in demand, and I don't think we want one big 30-40 pages article than several smaller ones.
#) I have finished a first draft for this article, and after discussion with some users, and editting, would like to upload it. It will be several pages long, and still there are topics only briefly mentioned. All the info, and most probably the exact sentances, as they are now in this article, would be included in the new version.
Please, leave your oppinion here. If ther will be on serious objections, I will remove the tag in 1-2 weeks:Dc76 23:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of merger suggestion tag 

message: Ok, here is my proposal:
*Use Maramures or Maramuresh whenever it has no official administrative name, i.e. Maramures (historical region) and Northern Maramuresh 
*Use more or less the following template (with subsequent additions , esp. about geographic sub-regions, mountains, rivers):
 Carpathian Mountains Regions 
Inner Western • Outer Western • Inner North-Eastern • Outer North-Eastern • Inner Eastern  • Outer Eastern • Transylvanian Alps • Apuseni • South-Western • Transylvanian Plateau • Serbian Carpathians
Countries:  Hungary •  Romania •  Slovakia •  Ukraine
 
Geography: Carpathian Mountains • Iza Valley • Maramureş Mountains • Northern Maramuresh (geographic region) • Tisza • Vişeu Valley • Zemplén Mountains
Ethnic groups and subgroups: Boiko • Hungarians • Hutsul • Jews of Subcarpathian Ruthenia • Lemko • Romanians • Rusyn • Ruthenians • Transylvanian Saxons • Ukrainians • Ukrainians of Romania • Vlachs
History: Carpathian Ruthenia (historical region) • Kingdom of Hungary • Maramures (historical region) • Partium • Sătmar (historical region) • Transylvania • Zemplin (historical region)
 
1867-1918:  Bereg • Máramaros • Ugocsa • Ung • Zemplín
1918-1945:  Sub-Carpathian Rus (Podkarpatská Rus) • Slovenská krajina • 20px Carpatho-Ukraine (1939) • 20px Šarišsko-zemplínska župa (Šariš-Zemplín county, 1939-1945) •  Maramureş County (1918-1938) • Satu Mare County (1918-1938) • Ţinutul Crişuri (1938-1940) •   Máramaros County (WWII) • Szabolcs-Ung County • Szatmár-Bereg-Ugocsa County • Zemplén County 
1945-1991:  Prešovský kraj (Prešov Region, 1945-1960) • Košický kraj (Košice Region, 1945-1960) •  Východoslovenský kraj (1960-1990) • 20px Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén County • Szabolcs-Szatmár County •  Baia Mare Region (1953-1960) • Maramureş Region (1960-1968) • Bistriţa-Năsăud County • Maramureş County • Satu Mare County •Sălaj County • 20px  Zakarpattia Oblast 
1991-present:  Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén County • Szabolcs-Szatmár-Bereg County •  Bistriţa-Năsăud County • Maramureş County • Satu Mare County •Sălaj County  •  Košice Region • Prešov Region •  Zakarpattia Oblast
Cultural heritage: Wooden Churches of Maramureş
Fiction: Ruritania
::Well, nice job and the template would be very useful. —dima/s-ko/ 22:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The template is based on a schetch given by User:Biruitorul last November. Also, for those interested: 
*new found map of Maramuresh in 1918
*can move with arrows to see reasonably good detail (need to know cyrillic letters):Dc76 22:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some modifications (mostly stylistic) of the template.:Dc76 20:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the user who deleted the assertion "The name for Hutsul came from romanian "Hoţul" meaning thieve, because most of their time, Hutsul were thieves." I wanted to exclude it myself, because is a popular saying, not an actual etymology. Is used just for fun. Morosanul (talk) 07:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template 

message: This was taken from the Romanian version of the official webpage of Zakarpattia. Needs proper English, shorter, and into the article.
===Old books===
În Transcarpatia se păstrează multe cărţi vechi şi manuscrise preţioase: Evanghelia Regală (1401), Psaltirea din or. Mucacevo (sec. XIV), Evanghelia Ostrimirovo (sec. XIV), Evanghelia Moscovită (sec. XVI), Biblia rusă (sec. XV) a lui Francisc Scorini, Biblia de la Ostrog (1581), a lui Ivan Fiodorov, instrucţiuni pentru Solii lui Bogdan Hmelniţchii, Lexicon slavorus şi tălmăcirea numelor (1627 Pamva Berinda), “Evanghelia română”, “Pacea omului cu Dumnezeu ” (1661, Inochentii Ghizeli), “Gramatica rusă” (1755, Mihail Lomonosov), “Scurtă descriere a fundaţiei lui Fedor Coreatovici” (Ioanichii Bazilovici), “Evangheliile Învaţaceilor: din Neagoevsche, din Scotarsche (sec. XVI), din Iza, din Danilovo (sec. XVII), Culegerea din Sochirniţa (sec. XVII), Culegerea din Uglea “Cheia” (sec. XVII), Triod Kobâleţca Poleana (1561), Alexandria (sec. XVII): Ujgorod, Pistrealovo, Tâsiv. --- Trebuie vazut exact ce se refera la Maramures din acesta versiune romana de pe pagina regiunii Transcarpatia.
===Coat of arms===
The Maramures coat-of-arms noramally includes some miners in black (the color of prudence), a mine in white (the color of hope), a mountain goat (the symbol of the mountains), brazi trees (the symbol of th eforests), and other elements.
Stema Maramureşului (raioanele Mijgiria, Hust, Teaciv, Rahiv): pe scutul de forma germană sunt arătaţi mineri de culoare neagră (culoarea prudenţei) cu târnăcop în mâini la întrarea în mina albă (culoarea speranţei), mai jos apare imaginea râurilor montane sub forma unor panglici. În partea de sus a stemei imaginea caprei de munte (simbolul munţilor) iar de ambele părţi doi brazi (simbolul pădurilor).
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Maramureş coat of arms is not that ,that is the coat of arms of the Hungarian County administration,is a XIX century coat of arms  .
What we clearly know is that Maramureş founded Moldova and heraldic symbols usually pass on ,the founder was Dragoş of Bedeu ,( count of Maramureş not voievod as many claims),he found Moldova in the name of the Hungarian King as a mark .
Sighet/Zeget (many disputes over the origin dacian/hungarian of the name) was the seat of general gathering of the romanian nobles ,first gathering mentioned who reach us, was held by Iuga Voievod of the romanians .
Also when you look at Sighet old coat of arms is represented(the oldest XIV century ) by a greek cross inside a wissent head very similar to early Moldavia coat on an blue field.
The wissent head origin is still disputed ,many say it comes from Mecklenburg colonist ,but what is confirmed is that ,the sun ,and the wissent is are very special in Maramureş culture,Sighet area is full of names like bull valley ,wissent walley ,"Bourenii",the population of Maramureş was living from the sheep and mostly cattle herding  etc even the border betwen Maramures and Crişana is named Tur (river of the Aurochs ) Menumorut name could come from the hungarian word for moravian.So the Border betwen land of the aurochs and the lands of Crişana ,ruled by a moravian prince, Menumorut could be named Tur(moravian name for aurochs) .    
Dragoş forces wore brought from Sighet area (many names in Moldavia ,resemble family names still present in Sighet area),and probably the coat of arms of the voievod and count of Maramureş resemble Sighet coat of arms ,Sighet being the headquarter.
Most likely had a red field (symbol of military power) ,and the same greek cross and wissent head .Also it probably have a sun and moon symbol of the guardian role of Maramureş on the Carpathian passes ,similar to Szekely and Wallachia.
Probably Bogdan of Cuhea ,change a little the coat of arms of Moldova after he conquered the mark.
Vasile iuga (talk) 15:50, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  To be introduced into the article 

message: The Maramures coat-of-arms noramally includes some miners in black (the color of prudence), a mine in white (the color of hope), a mountain goat (the symbol of the mountains), brazi trees (the symbol of th eforests), and other elements.
Stema Maramureşului (raioanele Mijgiria, Hust, Teaciv, Rahiv): pe scutul de forma germană sunt arătaţi mineri de culoare neagră (culoarea prudenţei) cu târnăcop în mâini la întrarea în mina albă (culoarea speranţei), mai jos apare imaginea râurilor montane sub forma unor panglici. În partea de sus a stemei imaginea caprei de munte (simbolul munţilor) iar de ambele părţi doi brazi (simbolul pădurilor).
..........
Maramureş coat of arms is not that ,that is the coat of arms of the Hungarian County administration,is a XIX century coat of arms  .
What we clearly know is that Maramureş founded Moldova and heraldic symbols usually pass on ,the founder was Dragoş of Bedeu ,( count of Maramureş not voievod as many claims),he found Moldova in the name of the Hungarian King as a mark .
Sighet/Zeget (many disputes over the origin dacian/hungarian of the name) was the seat of general gathering of the romanian nobles ,first gathering mentioned who reach us, was held by Iuga Voievod of the romanians .
Also when you look at Sighet old coat of arms is represented(the oldest XIV century ) by a greek cross inside a wissent head very similar to early Moldavia coat on an blue field.
The wissent head origin is still disputed ,many say it comes from Mecklenburg colonist ,but what is confirmed is that ,the sun ,and the wissent is are very special in Maramureş culture,Sighet area is full of names like bull valley ,wissent walley ,"Bourenii",the population of Maramureş was living from the sheep and mostly cattle herding  etc even the border betwen Maramures and Crişana is named Tur (river of the Aurochs ) Menumorut name could come from the hungarian word for moravian.So the Border betwen land of the aurochs and the lands of Crişana ,ruled by a moravian prince, Menumorut could be named Tur(moravian name for aurochs) .    
Dragoş forces wore brought from Sighet area (many names in Moldavia ,resemble family names still present in Sighet area),and probably the coat of arms of the voievod and count of Maramureş resemble Sighet coat of arms ,Sighet being the headquarter.
Most likely had a red field (symbol of military power) ,and the same greek cross and wissent head .Also it probably have a sun and moon symbol of the guardian role of Maramureş on the Carpathian passes ,similar to Szekely and Wallachia.
Probably Bogdan of Cuhea ,change a little the coat of arms of Moldova after he conquered the mark.
Vasile iuga (talk) 15:50, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Coat of arms

message: According to demographic section only 32,100 of 1,255,000 inhabitants are ethnic Romanians, so I do not see how this article could be classified as an "Romanian community"? PANONIAN 20:51, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The meanining of this tag is "Northern Maramuresh has a Romanian community of 32,100 people" 79.117.168.230 (talk) 07:35, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Romanian communities

message: While I'd agree that it is strange to use a Romanian name for a region in Ukraine, it is more commonly used than "Northern Maramuresh" or any other variant  , so per WP:COMMONNAME, this title is more appropiate. This page should follow its parent article Maramureș anyway. Super Ψ Dro 21:06, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Move justification

message: Is there a better map available? The text mentions the Tisza River as part of the boundary with Romania but the map does not show it, and lacks a lot of other context that could be helpful. It doesn't even have basic map items like a compass indicator for north or a distance scale. USNavelObservatory (talk) 16:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  A better map?