Talk:Unrecognized ethnic groups in China

message: How many undistinguished nationalities are there?  Badagnani 09:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How many undistinguished nationalities?

message: Please explain this change.  We should be using the English term that the Chinese government uses in its own English-language literature on this subject.  Badagnani 21:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change from "undistinguished" to "unclassified" 

message: Are the Yi mentioned here a different Yi than the Yi included in the official 56 ethnic groups?  The hanzi seem to be different.  Badagnani 21:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yi 

message: I'm going to add this list to List of ethnic groups in China, but are there any sources that list these "undistinguished" or "indeterminant" minority groups?  --- Hong Qi Gong 18:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources? 

message: This article says
:These "undistinguished ethnic groups" do not include groups that have been controversially classified into existing groups
Utsul article says
:[T]he Chinese government places them as members of the Hui nationality.
If the Chinese government has indeed done so, they shouldn't be in this list, should they? Wikipeditor 15:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, then they're "mis-distinguished."  But we have no article for that.  Perhaps this article can be split into two, with groups that are subsumed into other larger groups by the PRC government described in its own section.  There are at least a few such groups and I think we owe it to our readers to cover these groups fully.  And this is certainly the first place that I, as a Wikipedia user, would look for such ethnolinguistic groups as the Utsul.  Badagnani 21:39, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm...  when was the decision made to exclude those groups that were "controversially" classified into the officially recognised groups?  I think we should actually include those groups in this article.  This is not a particularly big article and could use the expansion.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The edit history shows that the bold not was in the article from the very first version.  I agree with you that such groups should be discussed in this article.  Badagnani 23:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's do it then.  What groups need to be included?  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 23:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure, though I've seen discussion of this elsewhere.  I think the Shan, Buryat, and Tuvans would be included.  This website will probably give you dozens more.  Some ethnic groups, such as the Yao, Hmong, Palaung, etc., have many sub-groups or sub-languages.  Badagnani 23:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But that's just a list of languages and dialects in China.  There's not necessarily a one-to-one correlation between a language and an ethnic group.  I think we're going to need better sources.  For that matter, this article currently doesn't even cite any sources.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, of course the Ethnologue page must be sifted through and evaluated to see which ethnic groups don't overlap with the languages.  As with the listing of Thai ethnic groups I began, it seems that no single source contains them all.  Thus, this involves quite a bit of legwork.  It's worth it, though.  Badagnani 02:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it looks like what we'll need is at least a source for each "undistinguished" ethnic group.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:28, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Utsul 

message: Here's the list from http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/7618327.html?md=3
*<一>"西家"人:（划在苗族的一个民族） 
*<二>"革家"人:（划在苗族的一个民族）约五、六万人 
黄平县称之为未识别民族 
*<三>"穿青"人:中国西南地区60多万的民族,民族问题含糊。 
*Mang - <四> "芒"人:是至今尚未确定族系的民族。1985年统计有82户，568人 
*<五>"菜族"人（自称）:未识别民族,计32户、170人 
*<六>"羿人":未识别民族,300余人. 
*Khmu - <七>"克木"人:一个尚未确定族称的少数民族，现有二千余人，居住在云南省. 
*<八>"茂族"人:说扎贝语.分布在甘孜州道孚县的亚卓乡、红顶乡、仲尼乡、 
扎拖乡、下拖乡和雅江县的瓦多乡、木绒乡，人口约8000人。 
*<九>"顾羌人":说贵琼语,分布在甘孜州康定县的舍联、时济、前溪、麦笨 、三合等乡，泸定县的长征、烹坝、泸桥乡以及雅安地区宝兴县硗碛乡的部分村寨。人口约6000人。 
*<10>"格鲁人":说嘉戎语,分布在阿坝州的马尔康、黑水、理县、汶川、金 
川、小金等县，雅安地区的宝兴县，甘孜州的丹巴县。使用嘉戎语的人口约116900人。 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Badagnani (talk • contribs) 06:29, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List

message: A section here should have been the first place to discuss the addition of the Ainu/Aini of China rather than begin an edit war.  Ethnologue states that they are "Part of the Uyghur nationality. They do not intermarry with the Uyghur."  Thus, this seems to be an example of PRC "lumping," as with the Gaoshan.  If they are a distinct ethnic group that does not intermarry with Uyghurs, as Ethnologue says, then they merit a mention here.  Badagnani 22:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ainu/Aini of China 

message: Why is the link page have them as one of the 56 groups? I recall that there is an "autonomous prefecture" (in name only) for them and the Tibetans in West Sichuan/ Kham. Looks like a mistake.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.82.17.130 (talk) 10:03, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Qiangic  peoples of Kham

message: List of ethnic groups in China says there are Kalmyk people in China, so can mention of the Kalmyks please be added to this article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 08:47, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: According to here, Kalmyks living in China are called Torghut. I couldn't find any source for a population living in China. Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 09:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Please add Kalmyks

message: Can mention of the Torghut people be added to this article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 08:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 09:01, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Add [[Torghut]] to this article