Talk:Celtic reconstructionism

message: The Further reading section looks rather promotional. It also includes many of the cited references, which it shouldn't, as well as further reading that belongs on other existing articles. Skyerise (talk) 14:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further reading 

message: This article was created in 2005 by  who changed his user name to  in 2017. He and , who was  until she changed her username in 2014 are the top 2 editors of this article. There are two mentions of Kathryn NicDhàna in the body of the article plus 5 works which she authored or co-authored cited in the article. There are 25 citations to those works. In addition there is an "interview" with Kathryn NicDhàna cited 4 times. In User:Kathryn NicDhàna's RfA here, she said  The COI has been discussed on the talk page (see archive) but Pigman ensured that no action was taken as a result.
There is now an AN thread which has highlighted significant WP:MEAT and WP:INVOLVED concerns regarding Pigman/Mark Ironie and Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan tag teaming. Having looked at the history of this article, I've identified that every citation and every reference to Kathryn NicDhàna has been added by either Pigman/Mark Ironie or Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan. Details are as follows (with a diff where the ref/citation was first added):
* Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan first adds her name to the article here, on 25.7.2005
* Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan adds 2nd mention of her name on 28.12.2005
* NicDhàna, Kathryn Price; Erynn Rowan Laurie, C. Lee Vermeers, Kym Lambert ní Dhoireann, et al. (2007) The CR FAQ — An Introduction to Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism. River House Publishing. . This was first added by Pigman/Mark Ironie on 26.10.2007. (Earlier website versions were added by Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan on 25.6.2005 and 18.10.2006)
*  added by Pigman/Mark Ironie 9.12.2006
* Theatana, Kathryn [K.P. NicDhàna] (1992) "More on Names", Harvest, Southboro, MA, Vol. 12, No. 3, Imbolc 1992, pp. 11-12. added by Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan28.12.2005
*  (Note: as referred to above, Theatana is a name used by NicDhàna) added by Kathryn NicDhàna/CorbieVreccan 9.3.2006
* added by Pigman/Mark Ironie 27.10.2007
DeCausa (talk) 14:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, a lot of this looks WP:SELFPUB. Certainly River House seems to have only published the much cited CR FAQ. DeCausa (talk) 15:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Confirmed. It's a Lulu.com book. See the bottom of the publisher page where it says "Available from major online retailers or direct from: www.lulu.com/content/1038004". Skyerise (talk) 15:31, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

text: And I've now removed it and all citations to it, along with some material sourced entirely to it. Had to put in a few citation requests where it was more complicated. Skyerise (talk) 16:23, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Almost all of it is SELFPUB. The interview is a clear fringe group blog; New Page Books/The Career Press are decidedly not academic publishers, and New Page is most likely just FRINGE non-RS; paganachd.com is a group blog seemingly run by CorbieVreccan. The movement as a whole has been described by Pigman as , which surely invalidates any claim of recognized subject-matter expertise. The interview in Harvest is the only item actually published by an independent org, but as it's entirely an interview it's primary and non-independent.Honestly, the rest of the sources on this page don't look much better. JoelleJay (talk) 22:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

text: This was all disclosed from the very beginning, when I was editing under that name, and at our RfAs. We did the name changes because we were being stalked, which Skyerise knows. It was for safety reasons. All of this is in the history. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The sometimes-shared-IP has been on record with Arbcom since before our RfAs. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:54, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Can't say I do. But my memory is not so great these days.... Skyerise (talk) 19:57, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

text:  No, I don't think that was it. I got early COVID and have the long-COVID brain fog problem, which seems to have wiped out my memory of most Wikipedia drama anything earlier than the last few years. Sorry if I was supposed to know something... I just don't. Skyerise (talk) 20:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

text: CorbieVreccan, I've read the Talk page archive. Yes, it ultimately came out in the talk pages but you and Pigman faced years of opposition on the COI from different editors which, principally, Pigman, fought off. (And I've just noticed Lee Vermeers came in to help at one point.) It's interesting you mention your RfA. In 2009, Pigman makes a comment that all was disclosed in your RfA and that you did not add your name to the article. What you said in your RfA was . But you did add your name, you did it a few weeks after Pigman created the article and 4 days after you started editing the article. DeCausa (talk) 20:31, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long-term COI concern