Talk:Congenital iodine deficiency syndrome

message: I suggest that this article might incorporate some information related to the work of Creswell Eastman.
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1497255.htm Begs 10:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: Just erased the anti-Christian comments some bugger scrawled onto it. I'll go see who the hell it was.
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That is actually one of the possible derivations, in an older reverent sense of the word. The actual etymology of cretin is not known. The source listed for cretin as a "woodwose" equivalent is a 19th century Balzac novel which I have looked at in both French and English, and is misrepresented here in this article. It provides no convincing etymology and doesn't even leave you thinking Balzac thought that was where the word came from.
The derivation from Christian is equally unproven but I have heard it before. A cretin is someone who has "original innocence" in the sense of lacking the mental capability to sin deliberately, what the lawyers call mens rea. This is questionable theology or expresses some medieval anti-Church irony, but is not scurrilous or anti-Christian in a modern sense. If I could find a better source than my vague memory I will rewrite this, but I don't think the source has been convincingly proven.
The entry you erased was etymologically questionable in another sense though, as the intermediate form was likely the French Chretien and we have no proof that Latin Christianus was ever applied to people like this. alteripse 11:21, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  quick reversion 

message: I got rid of the nonsense about Balzac and massacres. It was apparently based on a misreading of a single French website speculating that cretins might have been the origin of the woodwose legends. The original contributor didnt bother to actually read the Balzac source, which says nothing of the kind. There are lots of prima facie problems with this hypothesis and it doesnt warrant inclusion here without better sourcing. alteripse 15:45, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: rewrite

message: I moved this comment from my talk page for discussion.
Hallo, I read your entry on cretinism, and was surprised with the discussion about christians. As far as I know, cretin derives from chretien, but the implication is not offensive. The implication is that Jesus was a victim (in fact, in italian the phrase "un povero cristo" describes someone who's having difficulties in life; not an idiot). The connotation of cretin in those days was not offensive: it was near the latin "imbecillis" which did not mean "imbecile", but "weak" (the primary meaning was physical weakness). Only later in the centuries did the connotation drift towards offensive. I am not christian and this is why I did not edit the main page, please check on your favorite ethimological dictionary and fix it. I just don't want to post something and see it reverted! Daniela —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.211.189.168 (talk) 23:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: recent comments

message: I moved this cryptic line here, as it needs some context and verification. alteripse 00:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: cagot

message: Added paragraph on the use =Creationism. Orcoteuthis 16:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Creationism

message: Shouldn't this include an internal referrence to George "W" Bush?Pustelnik 01:04, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Parliamentary Cretinism

message: In Serbian we have the word "kreten" which basically means idiot, stupid person, etc. 
I don't know the etymology of the word "kreten" itself and I have no idea if the two are related but maybe someone more knowledgable will... Bojan Grgurov (talk) 21:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  No. The word kreten in your language comes from the French "cretin", which has been around for at least 400 years.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.2.144.90 (talk) 22:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The etymology of the word cretin not known" 

message: I've added a 'citation needed' to "Because of its pejorative connotations in popular speech, health-care workers have mostly abandoned cretin." I don't get the impression that this statement is correct, at least not yet. I've spoken to several medical lecturers and 'health professionals' (physicians) on this issue and while they certainly understand the connotations, they continue to refer to the individuals as cretins as it is a medical term. Based on my limited experience, it would be premature to claim that health-care workers have abandoned the term. It is unfortunate, but the pejorative connotations actually describe the condition reasonably well. Booksacool1 (talk) 11:57, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed for current use. 

message: I had read somewhere (in Hebrew) that Cretin or a similar name was the name of the village where the effect was predominant, and that the discovery of Iodine deficiency in water and its effects on the Thyroid gland was due to the fact that children from this village would grow to be normal if adopted and grown in other places, but that the symptoms affected children adopted from other places. Can anybody give the source to this claim, and then discuss its preciseness? 
Recently (in 2010 or so) a Hebrew novel called HaTriss was published, (with a double meaning of 'the shades', and 'the thyroid gland') about Iodine deficiency in the mountains north of Jerusalem, and its affect on Arab and Jewish women living in two nearby but hostile villages.פשוט pashute ♫ (talk) 16:12, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Village called Cretin or something like it? 

message: Just wanted to note that cretin (meaning "Christian") was also another word used to describe intellectual disability, but like idiot, imbecile, moron, mongol, and retard, have been replaced because of their offensive connotations. This disease is clearly relating to Congenital iodine deficiency syndrome as per the image, and should be renamed as such. The religious connotations of the current article is evident, and unacceptable in modern society 182.255.99.214 (talk) 09:53, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Offensive to Christians 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Cretinism and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 27#Cretinism  until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.   Jay (talk) 06:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cretinism " listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]