Talk:Istanbul University

message: It is at the very least an exaggeration, if not inaccurate, to state that graduates of Istanbul University form  the main supply  of academic personnel  to the rest of the Turkish higher education system. There are no statistics to support this claim.  The statement concerned only relects the partiality of the writer of the article and should be amended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.97.206.199 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: University's establishment in 1453 is also a very dubious statement. At best that year what established was a medrese not a university. Istanbul University's establisment goes back only to establishment of Dar-ul Funun in late 19th century —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.216.151.84 (talk • contribs) 05:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: exaggeration?

message: Supposedly 1453 was also when the old Byzantine University was closed down. Any information on whether this is true and on whether the Istanbul University is the Byzantine university refounded?Sephia karta 15:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Byzantine University 

message: If it is established at 1453 the funder should be Mehmet the Conqueror. If it is funded by Kemal Atatürk then it is established at 1933. The author should change the infobox to what is more accurate. agmpinia 19:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Established at 1453 by Kemal Atatürk ?? 

message: Doesn't it look confusing? Umutarikan
The University was founded in the late 19th century - the history of the University starts from the date of its founding, not sooner. A medrese as a place of higher education is -organisationally speaking- a totally different thing than a western University. So the only date should be that of the official founding of the institution. One can mention the existence of one medrese or more prior to the founding of the University.
Could Dr. Serdar Bulun be added to the list of notable alumni? 204.62.118.154 (talk) 17:17, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumni List

message: I won to know ,if my son wont to study at your university, can yuo offer this in english language. 
Thank you from Tirana Albania  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.207.35.18 (talk) 09:09, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  can the students in english 

message: The Servet-i-Funun wrote about its 1917 reorganization https://archives.saltresearch.org/bitstream/123456789/129156/361/PFSIF9170524B004.jpg
from Issue #1349, 24 May 1917, French edition
WhisperToMe (talk) 04:52, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization in the Ottoman Era 

message: Istanbul University was not founded in 1453. This is a falsehood. Turkish scholar and public intellectual Celal Şengör also objected to this along with journalist Fatih Altaylı. This is the same case with Turkish Land Forces as the foundation date stated there was 209 BC. Before 1933, the year when Istanbul University was established, the place was used as a madrasah. So, calling the madrasah that was inherited  and then transformed from Byzantines in 1453 as Istanbul University is like calling Constantinople, İstanbul. What do you think --V. E. (talk) 18:32, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes the sources confirm it was a madrasah, not University before that date. The sources confirm that it was established as Istanbul University in 1933. Therefore we can't say that an Istanbul University existed before the date of establishment of the actual Istanbul University. Its not only anachronistic but also clearly a falsehood, presumably aiming at giving the institute more historical prestige. I would expect anachronistic claims in the fields of politics and military but not in the field of high education, so consider myself surprised about seeing this because the usual practice for universities across the world is to display just the actual foundation date on their seals/emblems. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 20:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  What confuses things is that western sources before 1933 talked about a "University of Constantinople" or a "University of Stamboul" though technically it may have been just a medrese WhisperToMe (talk) 09:03, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Establishment Date 

message: The IP user violates 3rr. Already presented sources state the year 1453 is a falsehood. Also WP:BRITANNICA is not a reliable source. The information was added after a concencus and should not be changed without another one.  --V. E. (talk) 14:19, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: this source says some interesting stuff, check it out. "Istanbul University can trace its origins back to 1453, when it was founded by the Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II as a school of philosophy, medicine, law and letters. It has gone through many iterations since then, serving as a madrasah (Ismalic theological school) and as an institution of higher education called the Darülfünûn (House of Sciences) in the 19th century, before being established as Istanbul University in 1933 after Mustafa Kemal Atatürk reformed Turkey’s education system. ", so that is some valuable information that we should consider. Mwiqdoh (talk) 14:31, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  The source you cited states "before being established as Istanbul University in 1933". Before that it was a madrassah not a university. So, putting 1453 as the establishment date is wrong.--V. E. (talk) 14:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  So where would we put that then? Mwiqdoh (talk) 14:37, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  It should be mentioned in the history section to inform the reader about the university's origins but not as an actual establishment date as the the university was founded in 1933. I think that before IP reverted it, the information was properly presented already.--V. E. (talk) 14:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

text: Using the date 1453 as the university's establishment date was also criticised by the Turkish intellectual and academic  Celal Şengör and journalist Fatih Altaylı for the same reason which were cited in the stable version. Links are present in the earlier discussion.--V. E. (talk) 14:44, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, thank you, and sorry for causing any issues. Mwiqdoh (talk) 14:56, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

text: The above comment by  has been redacted as a copyvio of , and will be revdel'd shortly. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:56, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  3RR and Establishment Date