Talk:Chrissie Watts

message: This article seems a bit...ameteurish at the moment, I think it needs to be cleaned up. (Jamandell (d69) 18:40, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: First comment

message: Chrissie killed Den in self-defence so I'm not so sure she should be in this category. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.145.240.122 (talk • contribs).
:It was still murder. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  She still took a life so it is Murder.--Sheep 2009 (talk) 19:33, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: BBC Press Office clearly states Den was murdered, thus making Chrissie a murderer. –AnemoneProjectors– 22:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Also her character profile on the BBC says "And unlike Den's other women, she was more than a match for him. Murder and mayhem followed." Meaning she murdered him. –AnemoneProjectors– 22:29, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Fictional murderers

message: EastEnders actress Oberman quits Gungadin 23:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A brand new source! Digital Spy interview. This article should be very OOUable now. Might have a go tomorrow, depending on my mood :) AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now included all of these sources on the page. If anyone has any others, please update the article! AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:20, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: Of the Watts, the page for Chrissie looks like it is in the worst shape; so I propose to amend it over the next month or so following the EastEnders portal framework. Any external references and sources that can be found would be appreciated.
Chrissie's early life:
Anyone know Chrissie's maiden name?
The name of her first husband?
I recall that she had a brother? Is that correct?
Impact on show:
Anyone now her episode count? Because she played such a dominant role in 05 (must have been the character to appear in most episodes by far) I thought that can be explored.
Casting:
I recall the Patsy Kensit was considered for the role? Is that at all right? I have a reference for TAO only being cast at the last minute.
Finally; on the info box.... should there be a tag for "stepmothers" (stepbrothers, etc.). Not just thinking of Chrissie here, but more pertinently characters like Jane Beale?? Again, it can just be an option - if the family info box is otherwise crowded, then step-families would not be necessary.
Thanks! :) Familiae Watts (talk) 00:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redoing the article 

message: A radio interview you might fancy listening to AP  GunGagdinMoan 01:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been trying since July to get these but my computer just won't update real player for me, so if anyone else can access the two interviews and update the page, that would be great. Thanks. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:22, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 

message: do you think that eastenders will bring Chrissy back.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheep 2009 (talk • contribs) 19:21, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Try asking on one of the forums, there's plenty out there. This page is for discussing improvements to the article. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Return 

message: In the process of re-working the "storylines" section to be more OOU in style, following on the style presented in Pauline Fowler article.
I would also like to rework the creation and reception sections - though unlike the storyline section 99% of the existing material I think should be kept and is perfectly fine as is. 
Familiae Watts (talk) 09:54, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I'm aware the only article with "storylines" in OOU-style is Nick Cotton where all of his storylines are covered by the development so the section was deemed unnecessary. How do you think the creation and reception storylines should be reworked? I can't see how they can be, to be honest. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the article is still "C" rated.... so I assume there is work to be done, even if that just means polishing. The s/l section is rather oddly put together.... 2004 is effectively condensed into a single brief paragraph. I was thinking of updaing the article along the lines of the Danielle and Whitney ones, which I am taking as a blueprint.
As for the other areas, perhaps they can be expanded upon. The development section, for instance, could have subsections on personality, her marriage to Den, etc. Like other "good" articles have. That is all I am thinking of, and arranging the pre-existing sources and references around that?Familiae Watts (talk) 15:51, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

text: That's fine as long as the information is available. Have a look at the "source" section above, there's two interviews I've been able to access. The storylines section might seem condensed because we take care not to include too much information, basically keeping it as short as we possibly can. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I will do that. :) I understand the concern over "plot" length in articles, and agree that it should be kept to a minimum. I also am aware of my own tendency to not be very good at "cutting out the right information" as regards to plot, so would find your opinion on *any* changes I make in that area very welcome. I do feel though, that there is alot to explore in the "development" section for Chrissie.... even what is already there can be expanded upon to make the point about her personality, etc. I look at the article on Danielle Jones then at one on Chrissie Watts and think "huh?" Danielle's article is 3 times as long, and I don't think that should be right. There is, for instance, the stuff over inconsistencies in character and plot.... only hinted at in some remarks, but there were some very startling contradictions in the show during this time that could be pointed out. For instance, Chrissie was legally co-owner of the Vic, with an episode in Feb dealing with Den signing over half to her.... yet this was forgotten 9 months later. I think this is quite an important point to elaborate on. I think her marriage to Den and her manipulative nature should definately be sub-sections in her development; and the storyline section could also perhaps have 3 or 4 subsections to break it up and make it look a bit more presentable. I would just like to get the article to at least a B grading. :) This is no dig at yourself or any who have helped fashion this article. I understand polishing information can take time and I know your contribute to a vast array of articles.... I focus my energies, so I can give it the attention needed to do the finiky work! :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Familiae Watts (talk • contribs) 16:14, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, that's all fine as long as the information is available in reliable sources. The only thing I would disagree with is splitting the storylines section into subsections as we've been trying to avoid this. We tend to only do this if there's a lot of backstory to explain or the character has been in the show for many years so we split it by year. Chrissie was in the show for less than two years so I think one section for her storylines is sufficient. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Storylines

message: Article has been completely revamped and reworked - hopefully for the better! ;)
I have nothing further to add to the Creation, Casting, and Character Development sections - have proofed them about a dozen times now. The references should all be correctly sourced. I do have 1 or 2 bits of info remaining, but atm am not inclined to take things apart just to put them in - and they may be better included in a potential page of the Den's death storyline anyway.
The Reception section has not been proofed as much, and I still see some errors in spelling and am not entirely happy with certain sentences and paragraphs, but will tune it up later.
The storylines section has not been touched as yet, save to add the subsections on background and create the 2004-05 heading.
I would welcome any thoughts on this article, and on getting it up to at least a GA standing......? This includes the storyline section - if people feel that is fine as is, then I am inclined to leave, save adding a few more sentences to flesh out the 2004 plots a little bit.
I also have one more screenshot to add to break up the Witches of Walford section a bit and will do so asap.Familiae Watts (talk) 09:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Screenshots ought to be kept to a minimum really, and most of them (in general, not just the ones here) fail the fair-use criteria. Looks like you stayed up all night editing this. Looks good and I'm glad you kept in the bits I mentioned above. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:17, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Understand your concerns on screenshots... I tend to have a bit of an irresponsible attitude to screenshot - that is to do them, present as best I can my argument for fair use, and then let them stand or fall. I do have one screenshot of Chrissie's clothes which I do think qualifies under fair use because it is a visual aid to illustrate the article point on Chrissie's fashion sense and Oberman wanting to bring some sex to the Walford city! ;) I'd also appreciate very much you have a look over my prose - to see if it is not neutral enough and to make sure that none of my own thoughts (ie: original research) have filtered through. I have tried to be as thorough as possible with the sourcing to demonstrate that it is not original research, but sometimes things slip through. If you have a moment I would greatly appreciate you having a look at that. :)Familiae Watts (talk) 18:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with AP - there are way to many non-free images in this article. Apart from violating copyright law you will never get the article through GA or FA with them so I'd suggest whipping them out pronto. I think you would be lucky to be able to properly justify more than one. Best, Nancy talk 16:39, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No problems - I will cull. :)Familiae Watts (talk) 21:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revamped article 

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message: Something I've been meaning to bring up for a bit - Chrissie was married before Den. I've got a first name for the guy - Steve or something - she refers to him in a couple of eps I watched recently when "reacquainting" myself with her character for revamping the article. I think it's also mentioned that they were married for 5 or 6 years, but no dates are given. Should this be included somehow in the info box.
I'll try look a bit deeper for further info.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Familiae Watts (talk • contribs) 22:29, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I don't remember her first husband ever being mentioned. But if you have a first name, then add that. The dates are unknown so that can't be added. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was only mentioned once or twice; most particularly when Zoe confronted Chrissie about the truth over who killed Den and Chrissie then spoke about how she had been marride before but the marriage broke down and that she then vowed to do whatever it took to make any future marriage work - hence she planned to break Den by destroying him in the eyes of Sharon, and then build him back up again. She was one for the complicated plans, Chrissie! Familiae Watt§ (talk) 22:45, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  First husband 

message: Er.... can this be fixed?
:Ha, don't know why that happened. Something went wrong with the comments I transcluded from the Project page ages ago, so I've just replaced them with a link to the relevant section. The page should be back to normal now. Frickative 15:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, weird. I am on a very slow connection atm which is why I noticed it. Thanks. :) ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 15:59, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's because the WikiProject talk page was archived. anemoneprojectors talk 18:36, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something wrong with this talk page 

message: Ok, so finally Chrissie Watts has got GA status.... as I said I would like to get this article up to FA status, as I think its viable. There are a number of issues that I know of that need to be fixed before this article is submitted:
*The first paragraph of the personality section needs to be re-written so that it does not overlap with the first paragraph of the "Mrs Den Watts" section.
*The citations all need to be wikilinked in places where they aren't.
*The "Reception" section needs to be a tightened a little.
*And now the problem with the images needs to be discussed and addressed.
There is no immediate hurry - I will not be doing much on wiki until the last week of the month, but would like to get things started then. Around that time I will also do what rewriting and reworking in the personality and reception sections. There are also about 3 or 4 references I have still to incorporate. But in the next 2 weeks it might be good for any concerns or queries or wider disucssions regarding potential FA status to begin so we can get on our way. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 00:48, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Getting FA status 

message: Oberman: 'Soap life was like Hollywood' - specifically "there's something quite film noirish about murdering your husband. I often used to think, 'Wow - how would Bette Davis approach this?'" AnemoneProjectors 22:32, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I love Tracy-Ann - she's gives such good material!!! Have you included that somewhere yet AP. It's a good quote. Good knows where it can go though. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 08:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No I didn't include it, I just bunged it here because I didn't know what to do with it - talk pages are full of sources that haven't been used in articles and are often the first place you should look to expand an article ;-) AnemoneProjectors 14:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes; the problem is working out whether they have been used already or not. ✽ Juniper§ Liege (TALK) 14:06, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Have to do a search. But I would hope that people using them would come along and strike them out. AnemoneProjectors 14:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
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