Talk:Planet of the Apes (novel)

message: I've noticed the storyline in the first section regarding the book cuts short with the last sentence reading "the ape". Was someone half way through writing this? Or is it a technical error? I haven't read the book and unfortunately can't finish it off --French line 05:07, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book story 

message: www.theonion.com displays on July 23, 2006 the front page
of The Onion from July 20, 1925. One of the headlines is
"Scopes Defended by Super-Intelligent Chimpanzee-Man
from Future". The article tells about a chimpanzee
couple Cornelius and Zira (like in Boulle's novel)
who have time traveled from a future in which apes
rule the world. This cannot be a coincident. Did Boulle read
The Onion of 1925 in the 1960's and got the idea to
the book and copied the names of the chimpanzee
couple from The Onion? Sounds a bit silly.
Or do Boulle and The Onion have some common source?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.129.55.100  (talk • contribs) 
In case you weren't joking, The Onion was founded in 1988.  All their stories dated earlier than that (and some after) are historical satire.  This article was a Planet of the Apes reference, not the other way around. Ace of Sevens 11:31, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idea to Boulle's novel from 1925? 

message: The text of th'article says that La Planète des Singes actually means "monkey planet." The "actually" is out of place, as a Romance language like French makes no difference between Planet of the Monkeys and Monkey Planet. French also uses the word singe to mean both (great) apes and monkeys. It is clear in the novel that Boulle meant the former, as he describes the society (as in the movies) as made up of Gorillas, Chimpanzees, and Orangoutans. Thus, the sentence about the two possible translations should stay, but the one about the "actual" meaning should go.--Signor Giuseppe 21:17, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation? 

message: While my scepticism alarm goes off at the mention of Disco at the Planet of the Apes, I'm not going to delete it.  Most of 68.97.208.123's contributions, I noted, have been at anus and feces, about which he is very adament. This non-scatologically related edit should prolly be encouraged.--Signor Giuseppe 15:01, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disco? 

message: In contrast with the translation that does not differentiate between monkey and ape, in the planet of the apes movies, "monkey" is an insult to apes and "apes" is what they prefer to be called.  User:FCYTravis does not understand this and has reverted it.  I suspect it will happen again so I'm putting it here for people to discuss.  DyslexicEditor 09:48, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on translation 

message: Ian Edginton has apparently written a PotA graphic novel that is published (globally?) by Titan Books . Thats about the limit of my information I'm afraid but both those entries just point here where there is no information on this. I have been chasing up some missing entries looking for someone who knows more about this to kickstart an entry. (Emperor 20:17, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK I started the entry: Planet of the Apes (comic) - hopefully someone can expand that at some point. I've editted the main entry to link through to this now (Emperor 01:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Graphic Novel / Comic

message: The List of cancelled video games page says there was a cancelled Planet of the Apes game for Atari 2600 and links here, but no mention is made here.  I'm certain there was a later video game for Playstation or something.  Is anyone knowledgeable about this to put it in the article? Ace of Sevens 23:19, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Video Game?

message: There definitely needs to be a section on themes. Dirty Apes Talk 19:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Themes 

message: They Might Be Giants plays several songs that are named after the sequel movies. This should be mentioned, but I have no idea where or how. Stale Fries 00:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TMBG? 

message: I remember the film from when I was a child, but just happened to see a repeat on TV the other day (Aug 2007) and I was surprised at how good it was.  As a child I had not appreciated the parody with human history.
Although it now appears very dated I was impressed by the parody it made of religious fundamentalism during the dark ages.  The main human character and the lead ape scientists were accused of heresy by the powerful Orang-utan “protector of the faith” (please note that the Royal Family in the UK have this same title!)  One could imagine that Copernicus, Galileo and other forward thinkers may have suffered in a similar way from the inquisitions of the Catholic Church.  I think further discussion of this side of the story line is required in the article.--ManInStone 08:52, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as you have references. — Val42 04:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The title that the British monarch holds is actually 'Defender of the Faith', not 'Protector'.  I can't remember what the title used in the film is. TheAstonishingBadger (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The unerlying theme 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:PlanetApesBook.jpg

message: I thought I would mention that this novel seems to have a few similarities to the Isaac Asimov story No Connection from Astounding Science Fiction, June 1948. Although the people cross the ocean from Europe to the Americas, after a great nuclear war and find bears instead of apes. Anyone know of any other similar stories or books, besides the ones in the series? (Floppydog66 (talk) 23:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Similarity to...

message: In an Atlas horror comic (they later became Marvel Comics) from about 1952, scientists experiment on pigs and make them smarter but from becoming almost human and being in human society, they start taking over and after a war, the pigs emerge triumphant with their own society where they behave like humans while human carcasses are hung up in butchers windows as meat.(Cyberia3 (talk) 07:21, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be surprised that French author Pierre Boulle would have been aware of some then-obscure American comic destined for teenagers. Someone else on this talk page noted a similarity with Isaac Asimov's No Connection (1948). If there is a connection to Planet of the Apes, surely some specialists have mentioned it, or Boulle cited his influences, so any comment about a possible connection should be sourced. I wasn't aware of this, but my guess is that that sort of subject is quite appealing and universal, and could easily have been thought of independently by modern authors. Even Animal Farm (1945) is similar in a way.--Munin75 (talk) 01:52, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The original idea?

message: MagicManky posted the following at WP:External links/Noticeboard#Planet of the Apes (novel). I'm reposting it here for the record as that noticeboard will be archived, and more people interested in the novel will be more likely to see it here in the future. - Gothicfilm (talk) 19:07, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: ''The Sacred Scrolls'' background

message: Five support restoring the link to the site. Two are against it. It should be noted Jreferee, an administrator, twice tried to close the discussion at WP:External links/Noticeboard#Planet of the Apes (novel), with the summary Closed as particular external link is appropriate. He put in the comment:
::Consensus is that the La Planète des singes at The Sacred Scrolls external link is appropriate for the Planet of the Apes (novel) article. -- Jreferee (talk) 07:42, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The link must be shown to meet the concerns of WP:ELNO #12, and there is only a claim of a consensus that the article in question is "unique", which is not why it is removed.  At any rate that claim to consensus concerning the "uniqueness" of the site was before other links were presented with the same information, which makes it anything but unique, and doesn't even address the actual reason it was removed.  There is no consensus to restore the link.  Consensus is not a vote, and even if it were your count is a bit off.  The amount of time it was on the page is irrelevant, and claims that "it's useful" is not a reason to ignore how links are included; everything can be said to be useful to someone, so that doesn't amount to much. - SudoGhost 19:39, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You keep saying that even though supporters like MarnetteD wrote Support inclusion of the link. WP:ELNO #12 was addressed. You have demonstrated you will never be satisfied. - Gothicfilm (talk) 19:57, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A single editor claiming that WP:ELNO should be ignored has already been addressed multiple times by multiple editors; that sort of rationale cannot decide that the larger consensus does not apply, so claiming that WP:ELNO should be ignored does not address how the article meets WP:ELNO. If I am not "satisfied" it is because the link does not meet Wikipedia's guidelines on the matter, and as long as there is no consensus that the external links meets WP:ELNO #12, I will remain "unsatisfied".  That doesn't suddenly change after waiting a week or two, so I don't know what point you're trying to make when you say that I "will never be satisfied".  I could just as easily make remarks about how you "would never be satisfied" until the link is restored, but it would be just as pointless a remark. - SudoGhost 20:08, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's applied to someone who continues to fight against consensus.  Administrator Jreferee tried to close this, saying consensus to include the EL was reached. - Gothicfilm (talk) 20:36, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If there were a consensus there would be some merit in that statement.  However, that is not the case.  An administrator not familiar with WP:ELN attempted to do something that is not done at WP:ELN, and was reverted by several editors, none of them were myself.  That does not create a consensus.  Until there is a consensus that the external link meets the concerns raised at WP:ELNO, it will not be in the article; a weak claim to consensus that the site is "unique" is insufficient and irrelevant. - SudoGhost 20:50, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Consensus?

message: I removed the mention of the reboot. User Gothicfilm correctly pointed out that sequels, prequels, and other adaptations are not mentioned on this page about the original book. Rather they are talked about in the separate article, referenced at the top of this section. Nick Beeson (talk) 00:12, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I pointed out This article doesn't list the four sequels to the first film. But it does mention they exist in the Adaptations section. The bit there about Rise should probably be restored as similar follow-through on the 2001 remake (or else others surely will put in their own text), but should not be elaborated on further - meaning we should not list Dawn as it is further removed from the original novel than the first four sequels. - Gothicfilm (talk) 00:23, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reboot series 

message: I removed the reference to Antelle reverting to "bestiality" in the zoo, as there is no evidence in the novel that he ever engaged in zoophilia. The correct terminology is likely closer to the German "wildern" ("to revert to a wild state" - see http://www.dict.cc/german-english/wildern.html), but there is apparently no equivalent English term, so I simply changed the sentence to "Antelle reverts to primitive humanity in the zoo". Feel free to edit if you know of a better term or description. 2605:6000:7BC1:F100:CD0A:594:93C3:AB0B (talk) 18:23, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, good catch.  Yeah, I can't think of any single verb in English that would directly correspond, though there are certainly nouns like "wildman" and adjectives like "feral".  Your wording seems good to me.  --Dan Harkless (talk) 09:19, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Bestiality" vs. "Wildern" 

message: "in which great apes are the dominant intelligent and civilized species, whereas humans are reduced to a savage animal-like state." ApeGreatness (talk) 22:09, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Humans are apes so intro currently wrong factually 

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