Talk:List of East European Jews

message: : Eugene Ionesco, playwright (half Jewish)
I know Ionesco was half Romanian and half French (mother: Thérèse Icard), but I couldn't find any reference about being half Jew. Bogdan | Talk 14:30, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: According to http://www.jewhoo.com (who tend to check their facts), Ionesco's mother was French-Jewish, and Ionesco spoke Yiddish (see also http://www.forward.com/issues/2001/01.04.06/arts1.html ). I'll post other sources if I find them, plus you can always email jewhoo. Udzu 21:59, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ionesco 

message: Jaromir Weinberger was a Catholic of German descent.(65.10.60.42)
: Danke, Děkuje vám! --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 06:22, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weinberger 

message: * Why 65.10..... removes clearly Jewish people? for examle, Ancerl is obviously Jewish descent (possibly, beause they wasn't Judaist(believer of Judaism)?)
:: --Sheynhertz-Unbayg 05:47, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandaling?? - unconfirmed people 

message: please answer me and add the list
* Lyubov Axelrod - where is the Vilenkovichi, Lithuania? Belarus?
* David Günzburg
* Benedikt Livshitz, Benedikt Konstantinovich/Naumovich Livshits (1886 - 1938)
* Zeitlin people
* Arnošt Wiesner
* Mikhail Kopelman
* Anatole Wieck
:--Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 05:37, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the list? 

message: *Jerzy Neyman was born to Catholic Jewish(Polonised) family on Bessarabia.
See Talk:List of Polish Jews page.! /(" ") --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 06:25, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jerzy Neyman 

message: *1. Yuri Manin - mathematician, You've deleted this person from List of Ukrainian Jews under grounds, that his Jewishness is doubtful. I present here one such evidence from Jinfo.Org:
**It implies right on jinfo that his Jewish ancestry is still disputable -- given that they had to do extensive research...but if the average person doesn't know he's a jew there's no point of going so deep into it. I will allow you to put him though since it's likely he has one jewish parent.
If you have some opposite evidences , I would learn them. But, please, don't remove persons if you are not sure, that it's justified decision.
*2. You have removed several additional persons, that their removal deserves some discussion.
* 2.1 Elia Metchnikoff, Nobel Prize winner. He's born in Kharkov - today this is Ukrainian town.
**It doesn't matter what it is today. Accordingly he's an ethnic Russian born in Ukraine. 
* 2.2 Stanislaw Ulam, co-developer of hydrogen bomb. Born in Lvov (today Ukraine).
**It doesn't matter what it is today. He's an ethnic Pole. 
* 2.3 George Charpak, Nobel Prize winner. Born in Dubrovytsia (today Ukraine).
**It doesn't matter what it is today. He's an ethnic Pole. 
* 2.4 Isaac Asimov, writer. He is born in Russia. I was wrong to include him in List of Belarusian Jews.
* 2.5 Paul Baran, co-inventor of Internet. Born in Grodno (today Belarus).
**It doesn't matter what it is today. He's an ethnic Pole. 
* It's true that all these towns were in Past in Poland.  Here is one disputable point that is common to hundreads of persons in Wikipedia. I am aware that by now there is not agreement between users of Wikipedia in what country should be defined some particular person: country of birth town at Present or  Country of birth town In Past. I personally prefer to include such persons in country of birth town at Present for reaons that I don't want to eleborate now.
* But I can accept any solution as far it will be consistent one.
* In present situation in order to avoid endless disputes, it will be preferable to allow to users to define  such persons in both countries, desirably with indication of birth town.
*3. I want to make several  remarks about multiple posting of persons in Lists.
* Wikipedia is a Data Base. When people are talking about Data Base they are speaking about Information Retrieval Keys. Wikipedia Lists are Information Retrieval Keys as well. Users of Data Bases simply are not interested to  discuss whether some particular Information Retrieval Key  increase multiple posting. If they believe that some particular Key will be Useful, they will ask The Data Base Developer to define such Key. I've discussed this matter of multiple posting in Discussion page of List of British Jews.
* 4. So, why Wultipedia Users should object to Multiple posting ?
* Let us take an example of Albert Einstein. He was born in Germany and lived at least in two countries Swiss and the United States. So, he is defined at least in six Lists by Country: Lists of German, Swiss and American people and three Lists of Jews. Is ir practicale to reduce multipile posting of Albert Einstein in various Lists ? Why multiplate posting of Albert Einstein should be a problem ?
**The lists of jews are already far overeaching as it is ---- much of list of British Jews are just repeats from other country lists. We honestly don't need it any more repetitive.
* 84.228.234.112 09:38, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  From LazarKr to Antidote 

message: If this were ever accomplished, it would be I M M E N S E. What I propose is that you have lists for each country, and link them to this one. Dahn 01:08, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal

message: Dahn and I listed our reasons above why the articles should be separated. Dahn separated them, Antidote reverted, I separated them again, not noticing that it has already been done once. I think this should be discussed.
IMO the separated articles will be much more useful when there will be separate articles about Jewish history and culture in these countries, and it will be easier to categorize them. Lots of things are categorized by countries, e.g. we have a List of Scots and a List of English people instead of them being together in one "Lists of UK people" article (and those are not even separate countries).
It seems Wikipedia supports the view that these countries are Central Europe, not Eastern. :Image:European Regions 16.png. Antidote argues that "the East designation is most likely on Soviet lines". The Soviet Union dissolved in 1991, I don't think it should influence us. Moreover, the lightblue countries of this map have been much more closely tied with Western Europe than with the East for more than 1000 years (and then were connected even more closely with each other, which supports why we should have a name – Central Europe – for the region that consists of them.) The Soviet Union dominated this territory only for 40-something years, which is actually nothing compared to 1000 years of history. The one example that comes to my mind right now is religion – the Central European states have been Catholic for most of their history, while the East European countries are predominantly Orthodox. If we think about cultures, not about 20th century politics, I think, using the term "Central Europe" for these countries is justified. But since it is pointless to have lists of "East Europeans", "Central Europeans", "South Europeans", "Northwest-southern-central-middle-Europeans" etc. (like we have now...) the best solution would be to have a list for each country and have a "List of European Jews" that links them together.
Alensha 14:11, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article separation