Talk:Feral (subculture)

message: Anyone who has attended ag college in Australia is very familiar with this term.
One of the biggest problems of the land. Got a cat cap? 59.100.151.215 (talk) 12:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pretty Typical in rural Australia 

message: Way too aggressive, even for an ethnic slur article
:??? "Feral" isn't an ethnic term, the article even points that out. As for the article being NPOV, it covers multiple (though similar) definitions of a term. If you think there's another side (or three) to the story, add them to the article. matturn 13:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where would you find references of people who are "ferals" being unemployed, owning Commodores, wearing thongs etc. anyway? 203.206.56.229 20:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: Removed some blatant point of view: "usually justified"
Added a link to wiktionary for feral, reworded the sentace that referenced it, however it is
still unconnected.
Reworded a few other bits.
Robprain 12:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edited toward NPOV

message: Does the following that appears at the top of the article actually make any sense at all?
a "feral" generally refers to a person who dresses and acts in what is seen to be an uncontrolled manner. This may be because they have little understanding of cause-and-effect, leading to poverty [1] and behaviour the labeler believes to be outside the social norm. It may be because they are left wing, and the labeler believes they are not restraining their empathy enough.
I assume the person writing this was not being entirely serious. At least I hope so...Argenteum 19:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Eh?

message: If I'm not wrong, I remember to term feral was applied to the johny come lateley wannabe hippies living off the land in the bush or just living rough around the new age towns of Margaret River, and Byron Bay, whose original hippish colonisers from the 60's and 70's had already made home and had by this stage become quite affluent. These well off old surfies and ex hippies resented the feral come latelys who were being accused of drugging up in the parks and doing petty crime and generally making the place bad by living rough etc. There appearred to be an associated stereo type of ferals being come latelys to the wilderness movements who drove down to the forests to chain themselves to trees yet were being seen to be doing a diservice to the original enviromentalists of the 60's era by their living rough, pretty crime, drug taking, and driving gas guzzlers, whilst the original enviromental drop outs had become affluent living in the country towns running new age businesses etc. Unfortunately my memory isn't as good as a proper citation, so we'll need proper references please. There was an ABC program on Nimbim and Byron Bay that discussed this very issue in the 1990's hosted by Geraldine Doogue or Andrew Ollie, can we find it?petedavo 15:55, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By July 1991, there was a successful blockade mounted at the Chaelundi Forest conflict in northeast New South Wales dubbed 'Feral Camp' (Cohen 1996:189). According to Cohen, it was Chaelundi which spawned 'a new generation of young, alternative environmental activists'. Yep, I think I'm finding some references to what your talking about. http://www.confest.org/thesis/fiveroots.html regards. Petedavo talk contributions 03:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Original usage

message: The term "Feral" as applied to the sort of neo-hippy lifestyle, may have sprung up in a few places. The first time I heard it, I was involved in a forest blockade of Coolangubra state forest, in the south east of NSW, in 1989. A university group came to our forest camp to make a film about the protest, and someone in that group had the bright idea of calling us "ferals", to differentiate the rough-camping, long-term blockaders from the lobbyist and student protesters that were also featured in the film. We thought the name was hilarious, and quite apt, and so jokingly started using the label to refer to our social group. In Australia, the alternative/protest movement is/was quite small and insular, and the name quickly took off amongst the wider environmental protest movement. Later, it was used by the media to refer to young hippie-influenced alternative lifestyle types in general, such as in the ABC report on Byron Bay, etc. This report was made some years later, in '91 or '92 if I remember, by which time the term was already well established. After media exposure, people not connected to the original group applied the term to themselves, and helped to solidify it as a subculture with a particular style of dress and behavior. 
If anyone can find the film that the previously mentioned university group, this may serve as a citation for some of the these claims. I think it was either Melbourne Uni or RMIT. I am aware of another claim that the term was first used in the media when a group of youths were refused transit on a plane in north Queensland due to their dreadlocks, piercings, etc. Again, this was a year or two later.</b>
I remember the ABC program, and there was also an earlier 60 Minutes George Negus report, as well as later articles in (magazines) The Australian and Good Weekend. These should be accessible at the National Library in Canberra if anyone could be bothered following this up. By the way, I have met a few "Ferals" of Aboriginal descent, and a couple from the Torres Strait. 61.68.231.51 10:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By July 1991, there was a successful blockade mounted at the Chaelundi Forest conflict in northeast New South Wales dubbed 'Feral Camp' (Cohen 1996:189). According to Cohen, it was Chaelundi which spawned 'a new generation of young, alternative environmental activists'. Yep, I think I'm finding some references to what your talking about. http://www.confest.org/thesis/fiveroots.html regards. Petedavo talk contributions 03:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sort of...

message: This article is absolutely awful. No cites, just full of OR from highly intelligent people I'm sure. I'm taking an axe to it.Ticklemygrits (talk) 14:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Utter shit

message: Tried to clear up the article to give a better idea of what the subject actually is. I think people were getting confused about "Ferals" as a subculture and the Australian slang term "Going feral" to mean going out of control, etc. I hope this helps clear things up. I believe the subject deserves an article because the feral movement, albeit small compared to other subcultures, was an important movement. If the "sharpies" have a page, so should the ferals.Ailahusky (talk) 08:59, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation

message: I removed the "cleanup" banner, because it related to the page before it was rewritten and disambiguated. The previous argy-bargy was related to different interpretations of a term used to describe differing social concepts.Ailahusky (talk) 12:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed cleanup banner 

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