Talk:Spanish Americans

message: I feel that an American of Spanish descent as important as George Santayana ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it") should be represented in this article.--Zulu, King Of The Dwarf People (talk) 21:10, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: George Santayana

message: The whole terminology here is confusing.  We all know that spanish americans are decendants from SPAIN born in America, and by America I mean the Americas.  I would say that the correct term for the definition given on this site is Latin US American.  Also if you want to talk about African descendants born in the United States, they should be called African US Americans.  An African American can come from Colombia, Republica Dominicana, USA, etc, countires that are part of the Americas.  Again, America is not a country, it's a Continent! - signed by anon IP
: What you could do to influence government policy in the classification of races in the US census is to send an e-mail about your proposition to www.census.gov , and have them either create a new "US-American" terminology or like many Americans in recent years wanted to reverse the ethnic titles: Spanish-American may well be called "American Spanish" instead, or "American African", "American Asian" and if this catches on, the "American European" while abandoning the racial/colorist term "white". We got one year left until the 2010 Census is conducted, maybe they could eliminate racial categories or not have them a requirement for respondents to answer. + Mike D 26 (talk) 22:30, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: Spanish people in Newark, NJ?  The people in Ironbound are all Portuguese and Brazilians.  There might be a few people actually from Spain, but they are a small minority. - signed by anon IP
Is somebody anonymously trying to create problems or tension in Wikipedia? To call a Hispanic or Latin American "Spanish" is somewhat offensive and inaccurate for a Central or South American. Newark, NJ has a large community of Hispanics/Latinos, who may speak Spanish but aren't originally from Spain in Europe. There may be a large Portuguese, Brazilian and maybe Cape Verdean community in Newark, but if the Spanish (European not Puerto Rican or Cuban) population is too low, the anonymous edits are worthless and doesn't contribute to the article. + Mike D 26 (talk) 22:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish People in Newark, NJ? 

message: The census form makes it impossible to get any sort of useful a truly useful count of Spanish Americans, so I propose that a box for them be added to the existing ones for Mexican/Mexican American/Chicano, Cuban, Puerto Rican and Other Hispanic, along with a small edit to the text for the latter. The new question would look like this, then:
Question 5 on long form
Is this person Spanish/Hispanic/Latino? Mark [X] the
"No" box if not Spanish/Hispanic/Latino.
✗ No, not Spanish/Hispanic/Latino	✗ Yes, Puerto Rican
✗ Yes, Mexican, Mexican Am., Chicano	✗ Yes, Cuban
✗ Yes, Spaniard/Spanish (Spain)
✗ Yes, other Spanish/Hispanic/Latino — Print group or country name.
SamEV 10:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because many Latinos who call themselves "Spanish" actually mean "Hispanic" or "Latino," it's not clear how many of those who only answered "Spanish" in the Hispanic origin write-in space or in the Ancestry question really are Spanish American. Also 2.5 million respondents to the ancestry question reported "Hispanic"; who can tell how many are Spanish American and how many are not? That's why it's so difficult to get as good an estimate of Spanish Americans as for others. ... Anyway, for some reason I opted for posting this suggestion here rather than write the Census Bureau. I guess I wanted someone else's opinion about it first. Thanks. SamEV 21:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We need to remember, Latin is a language group, not an ethnicity, so thus one cannot be half latino. Latino would be anyone who can speak a latin language, or is a descendant from a country where a latin language is spoken. Casey14 23:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tmangray is talking about Latinos, a U.S. ethnicity, so yes, one can be half-Latino, just as one can be of half-Jewish ethnicity or half-Danish ethnicity or half-Irish ethnicity. "Latin" is a different subject. SamEV 21:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Census form 

message: Please consider contributing to the article entitled History of Latinos and Hispanics. Thank you! --JuanMuslim  1m 02:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Latinos and Hispanics 

message: Please see new article, :List of Spanish Americans, which needs a lot of improvement work. 
Thanks Hmains 04:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of Spanish Americans 

message: The Spanish Conquistadores conquered Mexico and traveled north to conquer New Mexico.  In the process they had children from the Native Americans of the New Mexico Territory.  The descendants of these "marriages" are commonly called Spanish Americans in New Mexico.  Other terms used to describe these descendants include: genizaros, coyotes, and manitos.
SLucero2 15:38, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I recall, a few Wiki articles about the subcategories and regionalisms of Spanish-descent Americans were deleted: Cantabrian American, Galician American, Andalusian American, Valencian American, Leonese American, Extremaduran American and Aragonian American. I'm fully aware on the cultural distinctions, provincial governments (communities) and linguistic differences being co-languages (if not classified dialectal forms) of the Castillian Spanish, but the articles are empty and void of enough reliable sources or info. to have a complete profile. I think the Spanish-American article already made can go into further detail on the subject of the various diversity of Spain and the Spanish American community. + Mike D 26 (talk) 22:24, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Descendants of conquistadores 

message: are spaniards white or hispanic?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.95.13.82 (talk) 14:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: White Hispanics. SamEV 05:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Spaniards are whites.--Karljoos (talk) 20:41, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  race? 

message: This edit was not given any justification. Can someone please verify it? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really easy, Alan: the material was challenged and removed, so source it and restore it. SamEV (talk) 20:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Please check this edit

message: I have taken issue with the gallery in "U.S Latin/Hispanic Americans of Spanish ancestry". This gallery has too many Cubans and Puerto Ricans. There was similar problems in White Hispanic and Latino Americans gallery, but that has been solved. We need to remove most of the pictures from that gallery, and put people of different Latin American origins.
Another issue I have is that gallery states on top "People of Latin American national origin, who are ultimatly of Spanish ancestry", which means these people are pure Spanish. There are people in this gallery who are not pure Spanish at all. That is Eva Longoria (who is Mestiza), and Marc Anthony (which I don't know, can be either Castizo or Mestizo?) I removed them both because it they don't fit the description above. If you want to add them back, that means the description should be changed to "People of Latin American national origin, who are either full or partial of Spanish ancestry"! Lehoiberri (talk) 03:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  U.S Latin/Hispanic Americans of Spanish ancestry gallary issues 

message: Tracing their ancestry in Spain, including White Latin Americans of Spanish ancestry 24,806,065 Americans 8.23% of US population Spaniard Settled directly in the US 354,019 Americans 0.12% of the US population in 2007[1] White Hispanic or Latino of Spanish ancestry 24,452,046 Americans 8.11% of the U.S. population in 2007
This is completely, totally, utterly wrong. Almost all Hispanics have some degree of Spanish ancestry, so you may as well count every Hispanic as Spanish-American. The truth, is that most people self-identified as White Hispanic in the US are mostly light-skinned mestizos, and if you live in areas with heavy Hispanic population you know very well that this is the truth. Those "24,806,065  Spanish-Americans" look like, let's say, Italian-Americans (an ethnic group who have a general physical appearance similar to Spaniards)? If you lived/has visited the US you already know the answer. If you were not born in Spain, having some degree of Spanish ancestry doesn't makes you a Spaniard. A Black man being born in Spain and moving later to the US would be a Spanish-American. Someone with a Spanish grandmother being born in Mexico and later moving to the US, not really.
For example let's take a look at the demographics of California:
According to the 2006 ACS Estimates
    * 59.8% White American including White Hispanic
    * 43% White non-Hispanic
    * 35.9% are Hispanic or Latino (of any race)[24]
    * 12.3% Asian American
    * 6.2% Black or African American
    * 3.3% mixed
    * 0.7% American Indian
So, half of the Hispanics in California are actually Spaniard-Americans?  Give me a break.
And why is there a picture of Cameron Diaz in this article? She is a Cuban-American (with Spanish ancestry... like, by the way, most Cubans and Cuban-Americans.). This page should be for Spaniard-Americans only, there are already other more global pages like Hispanic, Hispanic and Latino Americans and White Hispanic.--79.152.44.47 (talk) 02:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish American = White Hispanic?

message: Ken Salazar is Mexican-American and not related to Spain. His photo should be removed. Thank you. --Karljoos (talk) 22:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ken Salazar]]

message: :This article has several issues, some of them very important, that should be resolved soon:
::1 SOURCES- this article lacks proper and verifiable sources. It is unreferenced
::2 BASQUES– there’s a whole paragraph about basques, which is quite partial. I quote: “Basques stood out in the exploration of the Americas, both as soldiers and members of the crews that sailed for the Spanish”. Let’s not forget that they not sailed for the Spanish, as THEY were, and still are, Spaniards. 
::3 DANCE–a Dance section? It belongs to a different kind of article.
::4 CENSUS– I’m not sure the census section belongs here but to the article U.S. Census. Also, this section seems to confuse “Spanish/Spaniard” with Latin Americans. 
::5 LANGUAGE– The section “Spanish language in the United States” is pointless. It gives basic Spanish examples… what’s the point? “¿Qué hay? (What's new?) and hasta luego”???
:Something serious has to be done about it.--Karljoos (talk) 22:45, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Issues with this article

message: Is there some reason the infobox image contains a non-negligible amount of individuals who would and should never be referred to as "Spanish Americans?" For example, I've searched for a while and there's not a single source that refers to Raquel Welch as "Spanish American". Bulldog123 22:12, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Please stop hounding me and misrepresenting my positions. Everyone (should) know(s) what the proper way to source individuals in these articles is, and sourcing someone as a "person whose father had Spanish descendants" is not the same thing as sourcing them as a "Spanish American." That she's a woman is fact. That she lived in America is a fact. That her father had descendants from Spain (we can assume from her biography) is a fact. That she is a "Spanish American" is not a fact unless it's stated somewhere. To say it is... is WP:SYNTH. Ethnicity is something that does not have to be identified with per the very definition of "ethnic group." Furthermore, extreme literalism of WP:BLPCAT does not change that it (and WP:BLP) is widely used on noticeboard cases involving a person's ethnicity and by no means is exclusive to concerns about an individual's "reputation." Since the infobox is a template, WP:EGRS (which BLPCAT links to) applies when referencing ethnicity. Bulldog123 08:17, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * So… you claim that Raquel Welch can’t be referred to as “Spanish American” because “not one single source” states she is such. I showed that notion to be utterly fallacious on all fronts. Simply… wrong. Her lineage traces to Spain and she lives in America; ergo the obvious. And once again, faced with the *inconvenient truth* you then employ your “Pay no attention to that argument behind the curtain”-tactic and dig up your old arguments from your failed RfC. Fascinating.OK, let’s look at your new (old) arguments. Your expressed reasoning on this issue here and at the Infobox Images for Ethnic Groups RfC (that you started) and elsewhere makes you seem exceedingly convinced your logic is unassailably correct. You raised WP:SYNTH and WP:BLPCAT at the Ethnic groups RfC and over on Talk:European American, where the consensus wasn’t with you in both places. Your actions as documented here on European Americans (deleting the montage and slapping tags on the article when you didn’t get your way and all of which was against consensus) and then your again raising the exact same points here are a serious cause of concern that further disruption might occur. If you don’t edit against consensus wherever you land, things will be just fine. Now…Your edit history is one that might cause some editors to think we’ve got a single-purpose editor on our hands. I’d much prefer to go back to the articles I normally frequent, but feel obliged to protect the project from further disruption. It would be nice to see something from you (a pledge?) or something suggesting that you have an inclination not to edit against consensus on this issue and merely contribute constructively to Wikipedia in other ways. However your continued raising of the same points over and over and over at AfDs and RfCs on this issue and—now at individual articles—is a bit worrisome.In the mean time, the bottom line here is that you may delete the montage when there is a consensus here for you to do so. Greg L (talk) 18:00, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes, I claim that Raquel Welch cannot be referred to as a Spanish American because we can't find a source that says she is. This is the standard that is and was instated on nearly every ethnic group list for almost four years now (see the talk pages of nearly every List of X people article here, at the top of the page here, also at the very top of the page here, all over this talk page too). List of Jewish actors and List of Jewish American businesspeople are sourced this way and any attempts to source otherwise are immediately reverted on those articles. The problem is that a lot of these lists have since fallen into disarray because we've lost a few really good editors who were maintaining them... it doesn't mean that the original sourcing ceases to exist however. This standard applies to categories and templates as well. If you don't (or choose not to) admit this... how is that my problem? Your standards for "consensus" are set unrealistically high and only set that high because you don't like me. Also, that you keep bringing up my RfC just shows your intent to constantly "comment on the user" instead of the content. Your comment on my RfC said that infoboxes can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis... and yet now when I'm trying to do that... you keep pointing out that my RfC failed to gain consensus... weird, huh? Also, if you want pledges, I tried to make one here, but was reverted by your buddy. Yup, I'm definitely the one who doesn't want to cooperate here. As for Talk:European American, pegging me as a disruptive editor and then saying "what say the community?" (after canvassing your friend)... wow... you expect a fair and balanced "consensus" from that complete railroading? LOL. Regardless, since you didn't complain about my compromise, I'm working on a new montage for the article... one that actually can be sourced. Bulldog123 00:00, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * Let’s be clear about these “standards” that Wikipedia supposedly adheres to. I just looked at your first one (which you aliased “here”). It is Talk:List of famous German Americans/Archive1#Sources. The editor who posted that list merely opined what he thought ought to be the standard for labeling someone as “German American”. That editor was User:Jack O'Lantern. His opinion does not set policy.Probably the best thing for establishing policy is the RfC you started (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups#Infobox Images for Ethnic Groups). That venue was a rather centralized one suitable for gaining the input from a wide variety of editors. I hope that User:Jack O'Lantern had an opportunity to weigh in there. There was no consensus there for what you were proposing, which was  There, you raised pretty much the identical arguments you are now raising here. That ship has sailed and I won’t be going down that path again here with you.In the case of Raquel Welch, the fact that she is a woman is incontestable, that she is American is incontestable, and that her origins trace through Bolivia to Spain are also incontestable. It’s simply not going out of bounds, IMHO, to use her picture in a montage nor for anyone to describe her, where it is encyclopedically relevant, that she is a Spanish American woman. Moreover—at least with Raquel Welch—she is proudly embracing her Spanish heritage as of late and has been trying to better master the Spanish language. Whoever chose her picture for inclusion in the montage did a wise move because, based on what I’ve now read about her as a result of this discussion thread, Raquel would probably be the first person around to proudly call herself a “Spanish American”. I understand there is potential for error and abuse in these sort of classifications. But, in this case, I don’t share your concerns. Sorry. Greg L (talk)03:20, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish Americans = Latin Americans = Basque Americans?

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thread_title: File:Spanish-American-people2.jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: May someone please remove Daisy Fuentes from the article. She is Cuban , and she merely moved to Spain temporarily. According to the article, she is not Spanish.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.149.255.139 (talk) 05:01, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Daisy Fuentes

message: People born in any other Spanish-speaking country should not be considered Spanish, even though they have some ancestry from Spain. 
There are articles about mexican-american or cuban-american. So Raquel Welch should not be here.--79.155.113.50 (talk) 15:37, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Spaniards are only the people with Spanish nationality

message: Greetings,
Would it be proper to say that Spanish is the culture and language of Spain. Spain being a culture made up of the evolution that took there with its unique mediterrenean, european history. So when the Spanish empire expanded to the Americas, Africa and Asia is only logical to refer to the areas that still use the language of Spanish and the cultural traits which are more similar than different as Spanish America. This seems like a proper and precise term rather than Hispanic America or Latin America since no country officialy speaks Latin nor the Ancient region known as Roman Hispania had any relationship to the countries and regions who were directly in relation to the Spanish culture during the colonial time. So that said, I would like to emphasise and promote the use of Spanish Americans as the people who are culturally linked to the regions that belong to the Spanish Americas. Spanish being a culture and not a race since Spain herself has had the influence of many different groups who contributed to the rich and development of that culture with their many different origins and also the fact that race is not a scientific fact. I strongly believe that besideds the majority of the people having some degree of Spanish ancestry that making a disctition between a person who is of partial and a person of full Spanish ancestry is more of a racist and discriminatory ideology. However to point out that the language and the customs is directly from the Spanish culture and that the regional differences are minor comparred to the great link between Spain and Spanish American culture that Spanish American should have more of a global definition and not the limited ideology that Spanish American suggest only the full decendants direct European immigrants to the United States of America. It is just to limiting and prejudice of a definition because it undermines the people who have ancestors who settled in what is now the south west of the USA, Florida and Louisianna before these areas were incorporated into the USA Union. Also, Many people considered White (a rather racist ideology) in the USA are not of full Europa ancestry, many with Aboriginal and African roots but because of phenotype or ignorrance of not knowing, they are considered and believe to be of some pure race which is a social construct. If we use proper language with a clear definition we can shed light into what appears to be a complex subject. I believe that adding the global definition that Spanish American is the people of Spanish American (All the Americas not just one country in the American continents) is fair, rational and very proper. Spanish American, people who are from areas in the Americas of with cultural ties to Spanish American culture and ancestry. In addition anyone from The United States of America should just Identify as citizen of the USA. Racially, even do that ideology is a social construct, should label themselves as of European, African, Asian, Aboriginal ancestry or a combination of these groups. Hope that my thoughts and ideas serve of some aid to this article and more importantly to the way people view this subject.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.3.37.80 (talk) 15:45, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We would need reliable sources to verify what you are saying♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 17:27, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish American defenition 

message: "About 50 million Americans are of Latin American descent and therefore most have predominately Spanish ancestry due to Spanish colonialism of Mexico and South America". I doubt that is true. Is there a reference that can be used to support this claim? Otherwise I would rephrase to "About 50 million Americans are of Latin American descent and therefore may have some Spanish ancestry due to...".Drar3g (talk) 13:46, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt so. The biggest Hispanic communities come from Mexico and Central America, where native background is predominant over Spanish.--Xareu bs (talk) 13:11, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin American have predominately Spanish ancestry 

message: Is that there can be a few thousand Spaniards in united states, also according to the ad in this Spanish version goes that in 2000 there were about 10,017,244 Spanish descent...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derekitou (talk • contribs) 02:25, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The population of this poor Spanish descent 

message: 16? Why? What is the selection criteria? "Do not change this list without first discussing it in the Talk page". Where are past discussions? --Ronz (talk) 14:47, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos

message: You like to put people with dark eyes and black hair always when there is a main  Hispanic  or Spanish and Portuguese languages? There are many more famous Spanish American people and you put mostly those with dark eyes ..  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derekitou (talk • contribs) 01:48, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: A simple question

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I see Spanish Americans is translated to Español-Americanos, I guess to distinguish from hispanoamericanos which basically means Latin Americans from Spanish-speaking countries. That is fine, except Español - Americanos is gramatically incorrect and does not exist in the Spanish language. Asilah1981 (talk) 20:48, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Which doesn't make sense considering that the lead opens with the description, "(Spanish: español-americanos, hispano-americanos or estadounidenses de origen español)." Hispano-americanos actually translates as Hispanic Americans in the same way as hispanoamericanos. It may be well intentioned, but it's WP:OR and confuses the situation even further. My take on it is to remove the pseudo-translation from the top of the infobox and use further hatnotes to expand on the convolutions in order to assist the reader in finding the subject matter they're looking for. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:47, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Español americanos

message: Iryna Harpy  I edited significantly the lead. Let me know what you think.Asilah1981 (talk) 19:56, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: On Californios

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Spanish Americans's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "odisea canaria":
From Isleño (Louisiana): Balbuena Castellano, José Manuel. "La odisea de los canarios en Texas y Luisiana" (The Odyssey of the Canarians in Texas and Louisiana). Pages 137, 138, 150 and 152. (ed) 2007, editorial: Anroart Ediciones.
From Canarian Americans: Balbuena Castellano, José Manuel. "La odisea de los canarios en Texas y Luisiana" (The Odyssey of the Canarians in Texas and Louisiana). Page 46; (ed) 2007,editorial: Anroart Ediciones.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 20:22, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Spanish Americans]] 

message: The article states that: Basque Americans may or may not be considered Spanish Americans, as they form a separate linguistic group from other Spaniards. The fact is, that even in Spain, Basque-Speaking people are a very short minority, so they have to use the Spanish language to be understood. --Fev 17:07, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Basque Americans

message: That comment (Spaniard excludes Spanish Basque) appears in 2 different points of the page. Can someone explain it? --Jotamar (talk) 22:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: With no reply in one year, I think it's preferable to delete the comment. --Jotamar (talk) 22:00, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Spaniard excludes Spanish Basque''