Talk:Air France Flight 8969

message: In the summary of this page, it is stated that there were "7 casualties, including the hijackers". The page also enumerates three civilian casualties; an Algerian Policeman, a Vietnamese diplomat, and an employee of the French embassy. Towards the end of this article is written: "After nearly forty hours of intense negotiations and the loss of three more lives", which would lead me to believe that at this point, no fewer than 6 civilians had been killed. Either the count is incorrect or "and the loss of three more lives" should be changed. Ph0t0phobic 19:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casualties 

message: What were the terrorists demands? ozoneliar 17 Jul 2006 (UTC)
: They wanted the plane to fly to France, where they had intended to blow it up over the Eiffel Tower.  Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demands 

message: I am desperately trying to get hold of a good VHS (DVD :-) ) copy of this show......oakleybr@iafrica.com   Brad`198.54.202.226 19:16, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Geographic Channel video on AF8969 

message: The article states that "The negotiation team decided to divert the flight to Marseille International Airport, some five hundred miles south of Paris. Air traffic controllers in the tower secretly communicated to the crew of Flight 8969 to tell the hijackers that they didn't have enough fuel to make it all the way to Paris."
However, in a recent Discovery Channel episode of the show "Mayday", titled "Killing Machines", it is stated that the plane really didn't have enough fuel to make it to Paris because the plane's APU (Auxiliary Power Unit) had been left on. The APU is a small jet engine in the tail that primarily provides electrical power for the plane, and it is said to consume 4 tons of fuel per day. They also didn't mention anything about secret communications about pretending about not having enough fuel.
Guspaz 01:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrepency with Discovery Channel show 

message: I wrote: "Intelligence reports suggested that the hijackers intended to fly the plane into the Eiffel Tower in Paris, or blow it up over the city; a maximum fuel load would make the Airbus into a flying bomb." I can't give a printed or web reference for this (maybe somebody can?). It was stated in a programme on the UK BBC2 television channel which included interviews with many surviving crew, passenger, gendarme, and political eyewitnesses at 21:00 on 29 April 2008 that a mole in the GIA terrorist group informed the French authorities of the intentions of the hijackers. I think the programme can be viewed on the BBC website for 1 week after transmission. Pol098 (talk) 22:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unlike BBC radio BBC television is only accessible from within the UK.  Here's the page for the relevant episode which runs through the salient points including the Eiffel Tower as target. And there was I thinking 'the world changed' on 9/11.  Hmmm... Hakluyt bean (talk) 22:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intelligence reports suggested ... 

message: I added some inline cites using Peter Taylor's Age of Terror documentary that I had just heard transmitted on the BBC World Service. It seems both the radio programme and the television episode are accessible from outside the United Kingdom. The 23 minute radio programme can be downloaded as an MP3 podcast from here and the 57 minute television broadcast is viewable via Real Player from here (click on the Episode three link). I added some clarifyme tags to places in the article where I found no source in the radio transmission nor on the web, but I have not yet watched the TV programme. It seems a good idea, when using inline cites, to include the position in a radio or television broadcast in actual minutes and seconds. I have done this in html comments. 84user (talk) 17:28, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  BBC documentaries accessible 

message: The various figures mentioned in the article probably confuse readers; they certainly do me. It seems TIME magazine contradicts both the BBC radio broadcast and the aviation-safety network (or I'm misreading TIME). I am adding an explanatory footnote.
* ASN has: Fatalities: 7 / Occupants: 170 (meaning at end 163 alive)
* Taylor says: "Most of the 220 passengers and 12 crew were settling into their seats ... around 11 am four armed men appeared in the cabin" (mp3 download linked from )
* Taylor describes the first two killings (so 218 passengers left)
* Taylor says: "At 2:30 pm 63 Algerian passengers ... set free" (so 155 passengers left)
* Taylor describes the third killing (so 154 passengers left)
Synthesis from Peter Taylor: 154 passengers plus 12 crew equals 166 total remaining alive on the aeroplane at the end. 166 plus the 4 now dead hijackers equals 170 occupants stated by the aviation safety network.
* TIME states at the end: "French gendarmerie stormed the Air France jetliner" ... "killing the four hijackers in a brisk firefight and freeing the plane's 173 passengers and crew."
* TIME poses a scenario over Paris: "177 people"
* TIME has at start: "227 passengers"
* 2 shot: "Algerian policeman" and a "commercial attache at the Vietnamese embassy" (so 225 passengers left)
* "by the end of Saturday had freed 63" (so 162 passengers left)
* 1 shot: "a cook" (so 161 passengers left)
Synthesis from TIME: 161 passengers plus 12 crew equals 173 total remaining alive on the aeroplane at the end. Add the 63 freed earlier plus the three shot equals 239 total (227 initial passengers plus 12 crew). 173 plus 4 hijackers equals the 177 in the TIME's scenario, so it is self-consistent.
84user (talk) 09:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Number confusion

message: There is a chart on the page breaking down the different nationalities of the passengers on board. Any idea where this information came from? No citation... I work for a news agency and am looking to confirm the nationalities of the passengers during this flight. 64.210.199.233 (talk) 21:25, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Air_France_Flight_8969#Passengers_and_crew|Nationalities of Passengers]] 

message: This quote, under "25 December" subheading, comes from the Mayday episode which is a reenactment; this is a quote of the character, which is most likely a translation of the Captain's actual words (thus, not an exact quote.) Does anyone know if he spoke this in English or what his French words were? (+ various other quotes) Td522285 (talk) 02:49, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "See what you get when you play tough" 

message: It is stated a former leader of the Muslim group said the intention was to detonate the plane over the Eiffel Tower. When did they find that out? After 9/11, not relevant. Before 9/11, did they share that info with us? If they shared the info before 9/11, why didn’t our leaders understand the seriousness of this? 68.199.210.54 (talk) 22:41, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did the French find out the intention of the hijackers?