Talk:Rack railway

message: I don't know whether this really fits here, but the mules on the Panama Canal run on a rack railway.  — Johantheghost 11:23, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Panama Canal Mules? 

message: Image:Lausanne Metro Track Closeup 
--Peter Horn 15:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo at top of the page 

message: --Peter Horn 02:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Rack railway#List of cog and rack railways|List of cog and rack railways]]

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How would one copy one of these from the originals in Systeme? --Peter Horn 02:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Rack railway#Rack systems|Rack systems]] 

message: Would someone read the text of this patent and see if any info contained  therein is of relevance to the article?
* Locomotive Steam-Engine for Rail and Other Roads.
At a minumum, the early date seems useful. The patent text documents that rack systems predate this 1836 patent, which is much earlier than the current Rack Railway article mentions. Zzorse 03:00, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Patent

message: Peter Horn 19:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Rack railway|External links]]

message: ===Austria===  
*Erzbergbahn, Styria :de:Erzbergbahn
 
===Germany===
*Wendelstein Railway :de:Wendelsteinbahn 
===Switzerland===
* Appenzeller Bahnen :de:Appenzeller Bahnen
* Bergbahn Rheineck-Walzenhausen (RhW) :de:Bergbahn Rheineck-Walzenhausen 
* Chemin de fer Martigny-Orsières, :de:Transports de Martigny et Régions
* Dolderbahn (Db) :de:Dolderbahn 
* Wädenswil-Einsiedeln-Bahn :de:Wädenswil-Einsiedeln-Bahn 
Peter Horn 01:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, at least some of them got translated or otherwise covered. Peter Horn User talk 14:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: For clarety I have removed all articles that have already been translated, etc. Peter Horn User talk 14:44, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation from German (or in some cases from French) to English required ([[Rack railway]])

message: * Appenzeller Bahnen :de:Appenzeller Bahnen
* Bergbahn Rheineck-Walzenhausen (RhW) :de:Bergbahn Rheineck-Walzenhausen 
* Chemin de fer Martigny-Orsières, :de:Transports de Martigny et Régions
* Dolderbahn (Db) :de:Dolderbahn 
* Wädenswil-Einsiedeln-Bahn :de:Wädenswil-Einsiedeln-Bahn 
Peter Horn 01:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, at least some of them got translated or otherwise covered. Peter Horn User talk 14:01, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: For clarety I have removed all articles that have already been translated, etc. Peter Horn User talk 14:44, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Switzerland

message: Is there any category equivalent to de:Kategorie:Zahnradbahn on German wiki? In case there is none, I suggest to create it. JanSuchy 09:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rack railways category? 

message: I half-remember adding some comments here about limiting grades, wheel slip, loco weight, sand boxes etc. and hence the  need for positive contact traction and braking on steep tracks. I hoped that someone would follow it up and explain in the article why conventional railways do not work on hills and the need for expedients like the rack. If I did, its gone now. Someone should include a simple engineering explaination in the article. The present phrase "This allows the trains to operate on steep gradients." is true but it is almost meaningless. 77.97.161.230 15:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gradients in excess of 7 or 9% (?) would be a good start. But trams have been known to grind up 13% slopes on city streets without the help of a rack. Peter Horn User talk 15:19, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The tram down to the Balmain wharf used a counterweight system to tram up and down the steep IIRC 1 in 8 gradient.    Tabletop (talk) 05:31, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Limiting Gradients

message: Trams sometimes use magnetics to enhance brakings.  Are (electro-)magnets ever used to enhance hill climbing for trains?    Tabletop (talk) 05:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magnetic adhesion enhancers. 

message: In 1802 the Blenkinsop rack system was devised when it was thought that friction on even level track would not be enough to haul a useful load.
In 1830 the Liverpool and Manchester Railway was built with 1 in 100 gradients at Rainhill suitable for cable haulage just in case adhesion working would not work.
In 1830 the line down to the Liverpool docks with its 1 in 50 grades did have cable haulage for a few decades.
In 1840 the section from Euston to Campden Town with its 1 in 50 grades did have cable haulage for a few decades.
Are there any other examples of rack or cable haulage which can be put into gradient based timeline?    Tabletop (talk) 08:08, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rack Railways and Gradients 

message: Rack railway#Switches In other articles the Dolderbahn is mentioned as being a funicular (see  "what links here" for Dolderbahn), so what is it? Peter Horn User talk 22:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the answer in Dolderbahn, German Wiki. It is a  rack railway. Peter Horn User talk 03:17, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My error, only Adlisberg#Transportation appears to say that the Dolderbahn is a funicular. Peter Horn User talk 03:29, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

text: I corrected Adlisberg#Transportation, as for the translation request see translation request and Switzerland above. Peter Horn User talk 14:12, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification needed 

message: I removed 
:three more followed, plus another two for the Kenton and Coxlodge Colliery.  No more were
from Fenton, Murray and Jackson#Fenton, Murray and Wood as i explained at talk:Fenton, Murray and Jackson#Prescience. I thot it would fit here, but i find that the accompanying article not only restricts itself to those built for the Middleton Railway but also attributes the construction to the patent holder rather than the locomotive firm. The 1st 'graph of the reference given actually seems to support the FMW version (giving credit to Murray specifically, but presumably on behalf of his partnership). My interest here amounts to a distraction from James Fenton, the poet buddy of the late Chris Hitchens, so i think its time for me to leave the cleanup to colleagues.--Jerzy•t 20:18, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New approach to Blenkinsop passage? 

message: The Mount Washington Cog Railway does not really need transfer tables as turnouts. Peter Horn User talk 02:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Switches 

message: "but it became a curiosity because simple friction was found to be sufficient for railroads operating on level ground."
the reason whey middleton had rack system even though the gradient was sufficient for adhesion is because of the rails
on the early railway, the rails were cast iron which would break easily. as coal trains got heavier, locos needed to get more powerful but that meant also getting bigger and heavier to get the adhesion to pull them because early engines had terrible power to weight ratios and fuel consumption but the rails werent strong enough for that. the cast rails limited the loco size. as the railway continued to use the rack, the quality of rail metals improved like wrought iron and steel, and the quality of engines improved only then did they realize they could stop using it
nowadays with strong steel rail and better power to weight ratio engines the weight of those early coal trains would be easy to pull without the rack  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.164.27 (talk) 15:35, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  middleton 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article is getting quite long. I propose we split out the "List of cog and rack railways" into its own article - currently it feels like two very different articles here, so I think the split is justified even beyond sheer size. Thoughts? Railfan23 (talk) 15:19, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Giant lists tacked onto the end of encylopedia articles are The Wikipedia Way, but rarely a good thing.  Split it, then hope it can get thrown away later in favour of categories, which will work much better. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Railfan23 (talk) 23:46, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split out list? 

message: I was browsing a random article (this one) on wikipedia, and found a bit of a mistake: Some details haven’t been updated correctly! It says things like “projected to open in 2015” and “may use”, as opposed to, say, “opened in 2016” and “is using”. Can somebody please update it? No wonder it’s only a “Start”-class article. Worse, it’s “high-importance”. 73.208.153.86 (talk) 23:25, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone can edit Wikipedia articles, including you. That said, you'll need a source to confirm things like "opened in 2016" etc. Railfan23 (talk) 23:27, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  It’s way past 2015 now