Talk:Amazon parrot

message: I see with this edit, User:Ddum5347 removed the alternative names for several species, when reorganizing the taxonomy. Is there any particular reason why the article shouldn't include these, just to help people find what they're looking for? Names such as 'blue-fronted amazon' and 'double yellow-headed amazon' are very commonly used (a quick google search will confirm this). --Iloveparrots (talk) 16:49, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed them for the sake of consistency. All the amazons have different names, and I simply listed them with the title of their article and binomial. Ddum5347 (talk) 16:55, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Just realized something else. Did you just put them in alphabetical order by Latin name? I don't think that's how it's supposed to work. I'm not sure if what was there before was correct, but I think they were supposed to be in taxonomic sequence there. --Iloveparrots (talk) 17:02, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no dates or sources to give such a sequence. So they're alphabetised for now. Ddum5347 (talk) 17:06, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I *think* this here contains the currently accepted taxonomic order. I'd need confirmation on that from someone whose area this is before I added it to the article though... --Iloveparrots (talk) 17:11, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked about it at WP:BIRDS - here. Bit confused about this myself now... --Iloveparrots (talk) 17:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, we'll see who can help us with this. Taxonomic sequence for such a large genus is hard to make. Ddum5347 (talk) 17:38, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful to still include alternate names? 

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Thank you! -- ferret (talk) 23:31, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Why did the species list get removed from this article? I thought that would be a useful thing to have in there. List of amazon parrots is outdated and in the wrong taxonomic order. --Iloveparrots (talk) 09:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe they're following what appears to be guidance from WP:Birds and the GA Phedina as a model. As there's a dedicated list article that has split the details out already, having it in both places is duplicative. If the list is outdated, it should certainly be updated and fixed. Leaving the list broken because there was a second list here is no good. -- ferret (talk) 13:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We're looking at getting the list up-to-date. -- ferret (talk) 13:17, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I did try to fix it myself a while back but I couldn't get the hang of the table syntax. The version that was removed from this article is correct and up-to-date, as far as I'm aware. --Iloveparrots (talk) 14:09, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have finished adding the missing entries to List of amazon parrots and fixing a few issues such as Scaly-naped name and noting farinosa as the southern mealy. -- ferret (talk) 15:44, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Just one thing though - if you look at the IOC taxonomy, the species are presented in a specific order for a reason. That's what I was trying to fix the other week and I kept messing up the table syntax... --Iloveparrots (talk) 13:56, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Could you clarify what that reason is, and what the specific order is? As far as I can tell it's simply a spreadsheet, no statement or description of an order with any given purpose is described. -- ferret (talk) 13:59, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure thing. It's the taxonomic sequence. The listed order is supposed to indicate the evolutionary relationships between the various amazon species. It was previously discussed here at WP:BIRDS. --Iloveparrots (talk) 14:38, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team-B-Vital Improvement Drive 

message: Currently says:
> Within captivity, it is recommended to feed parrots sunflower seeds and parrot mix, changed daily.
It's really not a good idea to feed your Amazon lots of sunflower seed:
e.g.
https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/amazon-parrots-feeding
> Although wild Amazon parrots have access to seeds all year round, the types of seeds they have feed on change throughout the year, as different plants come into season. The commercial seed mixes offered to many captive parrots tend to be high in fat and deficient in nutrients. If these mixes are fed as the only source of food, Amazon parrots could become ill and ultimately die prematurely. To make matters worse, often, birds will pick through a large bowl of commercial seed mix and selectively eat 1 or 2 favorite types of seeds, limiting their nutrient intake even further. They often preferentially choose peanuts and sunflower seeds that are particularly high in fat and deficient in calcium, vitamin A, and other nutrients. Their selective appetite can further predispose them to malnutrition.
> Seeds should only be a small part of a balanced diet and should never be the entire diet. In addition, only a couple of nuts should be offered daily.
Parrot pellets along with fresh fruit and vegetables seems to be the current thinking.
Haven't got time to fix this right now, but I thought I'd mention it here. Wouldn't want anyone reading this to get bad info. --Iloveparrots (talk) 14:00, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot for the source. Changed. Roniiustalk to me 14:25, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome. Thank you very much. --Iloveparrots (talk) 17:16, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some dubious info in this article about sunflower seeds