Talk:Metal Gear (mecha)

message: I have neither the time, nor the skills neccessary, nor the formatting habits nor  formatting knowledge to actually improve the article... but my knowledge from the game allows me to tell you guys that Arsenal Gear was designed to operate with a Destroyer escort, so when Revolver allows Fortune to take command/possession of Arsenal, it truly would be a suicide mission as without its Destroyer escort a fleet of hostile warships with heavy conventional weapons could easily fulfill the task of sinking Arsenal Gear.  --Blue Spider 00:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A note about Arsenal Gear 

message: I thought I'd let you guys know that I rewrote my section on Metal Gear G; I had initially said that it was a small version of the TX-55, but it was actually the Metal Gear D model. I also failed to mention the much smaller scale, as well as the fact that more advanced sensors were added. Just thought I'd let you all know that. Village Baka 05:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metal Gear G Revision 

message: Simply put, the current one sucks. You can barely pick out the units in the picture, and even then only if you already know what it looks like. In short, it simply needs a new picture. Village Baka 03:46, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Metal Gear RAY Picture 

message: I understand that Sokolov says the Shagohod can't be detected by satellites or spyplanes, but that's impossible: the Shagohod would have to be literally invisible, and there's no evidence of such an ability in the game. More likely, given that Sokolov's entire speech is comparing the Shagohod to convential ICBM silo complexes, he's referring to the ability to hide a Shagohod in a hangar at any airfield, without needing a huge concrete silo network to house it. It would in this way be 'invisible' until it was deployed.
It's also possible that Sokolov was exaggerating the threat of the Shagohod: the speech was, after all, delivered to a soldier, not an engineer, and a soldier he was trying to motivate to destroy it at that.Hrimfaxi 07:14, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shagohod

message: The picture for REX is not a picture of REX at all, it is the original painting Yoji Shinkawa made. Note the Cannon-like artillery instead of the 2-pronged rail gun presented in the later models and game.
:It looks identical to the game's model to me. I don't see much of a difference in its rail gun. Jonny2x4 23:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metal Gear REX 

message: Isn't Metal Gear REX the only Metal Gear (not counting the Shagohod) to explain its process of launching nuclear weapons? Should little deatil be included in the article. Also dont all the Metal Gears use the radome camera system?  -- Psi edit 02:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions (basically clarification)

message: Is there any source for the statement that Ghost Babel, Acid and Acid 2 are non-canon? I don't see one, and I got no response when I asked this on the talk page for Metal Gear (series). I think such a statement really requires a source. -Anonymous
As of yet, there is no official statement, or even any reason to believe, that the Ac!d titles are related to the main storyline. Yes, they have Snake, but that's hardly anything to go on. Even if they are (which is doubtful), there is no information that would help place t anywhere in the series. It's just safer to place them as non-cannon titles.
As for Ghost Babel... well, several big inconsistencies seperate it from the storyline altogether. Village Baka 20:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Non-Canon" Metal Gears ? 

message: Hey guys. I recently completed MGS2 for the nth time, and I couldn't help but notice that during your fight with the RAYS, whenever you launch a stinger at their knee, they happen the bleed. Blood pours out of their knee, and their knee stains the way a guard's clothing does. Now I know that this could just be 'oil' or something similar, but it appears to be the exact shade of red that blood is, and it even seems to stain them. I suppose that it could be a bit of bad programming, and they may have left it the same as a guard's programming (such as bleeding when shot and staining their sprite) but even in the MGS4 trailer, I am pretty sure I saw blood spraying out when Raiden cuts 'em up. Any explinations? Red oil? Something else? Or a programming glitch? The Haunted Angel 21:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that said, don't add a comparison to the article unless you have a source that says they're the same. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 15:49, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bleeding Metal Gears? 

message: I think this is a problem, is that the best picture of Metal Gear RAY we can get, an image of an action figure, is there no other picture!? 
(The Bread 07:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's clear, not stylized, and it allows a mention of the action figure itself. What's wrong with it? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 17:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, everything that has been offered so far was really sketchy or insanely cluttered. I wouldn't mind an equally-clear, equally-representative picture of the RAY, although I admit I'm fond of the action figure pic. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Nobody has come up with one. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RAY 

message: I've played every MGS and in the subtitles I always see Rex and Ray spelled as such and not in all uppercase. Why are they spelled REX and RAY in this article?
Because it is spelled REX & RAY in the games, play the game again you'll see
(The Bread 04:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  REX and RAY in uppercase? 

message: I came to that conclution after Beating MGS:TTS and MGS2: SOL so should the Gekko be Older than it looks? (Like Built around the Time Metal Gear Solid 1 ended?)
How'd you come to that?
(The Bread 04:33, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Like stumping for votes on AFD? ¬_¬ - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gekko a Rex Derivitive?

message: Even though Metal Gear REX's rail gun can fire a nuclear warhead to anywhere in the world without a propellant trail, wouldn't there be a hot-air-compression-wave in front of the missile, like when a shuttle descends to earth really fast? The bow of the missile would get really hot, probably to the point where it will burn up the missile or be detected, what gives?
:Don't blame Wikipedia for inconsistencies in the game itself. :D (also, please to be signing your comments.) 71.118.76.69 05:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess the 2 pieces of information we need are... how fast does a missile have to go before it heats up, and how fast would one of REX's missiles come out of its railgun.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 04:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: REX Missiles can't be detected, at ''all''

message: Hi, first of all, I really enjoyed reading this article. So, since the next Metal Gear game will be Portable Ops, does anyone here know if there will be a new Metal Gear or at least a simular based weapon included in the game? Or even an early prototype of some of the early Metal Gears? Thanks for reading. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Front 11 (talk • contribs) 19:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Metal Gear 

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thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:Linkimage}} 

message: I'm slightly surprised that there is no mention in the article that Arsenal Gear is actually a Metal Gear itself. While it might be drastically different from the conventional Metal Gear models, it is still referred to as one. This also makes me question its placement in the "Related Weapons" section. I think it should have its own section, or at least it should be mentioned in its subsection. Melee Ace 02:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is your personal judgement, however. In the game, it is directly stated by President Johnson as the latest model of Metal Gear. The argument is moot.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.117.244.140 (talk) 16:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arsenal Gear's Status 

message: Just thought you all should know that the RAY Ocelot is piloting appears to be the Marines'/Prototype RAY.If you look very carefully, on the left leg, while RAY is sliding, on the dock or where ever the location is, toward REX you see the "Marines" logo on the leg. Look CLOSELY it took me a few times to spot it and make sure it said MARINES-Change is coming and potter should have died I might be Trolled and I just don't care 20:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MARINES' RAY 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:TX-55 Metal Gear specs.png

message: In this footage, it's clearly seen that the third model that appears in Shadow Moses is the Gekkou.  Therefore we should adjust the page accordingly. Cyberlink420 (talk) 07:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  SSBB clarification 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:MGA2.JPG

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Metal Gear Gekko.JPG

message: There's lots of commentary about the designs of the Metal Gears from REX onwards from the art books, Making Of MGS2 documentary, etc. which would help make this article more interesting than the current list-o-things-we-already-know. Anyone care to step up? 137.195.232.177 (talk) 11:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm thinking about reconstructing this article myself as well. As it is right now, its a thinly-disguised in-universe character list. Jonny2x4 (talk) 06:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of universe perspective 

message: Now that MGS4 is out and people are just about finished with it, is it okay to add any information about Outer Haven to the article, since it counts as a Metal Gear derivative?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.121.13 (talk) 19:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is Outer Haven the same thing as Arsenal Gear? I thought it was a different ship (similar to how RAY is an evolved form of REX and so on). Jonny2x4 (talk) 23:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outer Haven? 

message: In the game that they are featured(MGS4), it is stated that they are not Metal Gears, and the text also states that they only look like Metal Gear models. Shouldn't we therefore remove them from this article? Moccamonster Talk 21:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article also features the Shagohod and Arsenal Gear. The Shagohod is clearly not a Metal Gear (while it does quite clearly take it's place in the Cold War era when there is no Metal Gear), and I'm not the authority to decide on what Arsenal Gear is. However, the Gekko uses technology and designs from REX (and maybe even RAY?), so it applies as a Metal Gear enough to be featured here. --71.101.33.94 (talk) 22:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Arsenal is considered a step up because they first referee to it as a new type of Metal Gear but see it's something more then just something like REX and RAY . Gekko is considered something like a Metal Gear light because in an interview by Hideo Kojima he's quoted saying "they are more like a jeep or a tank compared to the conventional Metal Gears such as REX and RAY" which are like a newer heavier howitzers and other heavy cannon weapons,while Arsenal is like a brand new stealth bomber. Size dosen't really matter you forgot Otacon calls his little mini help the Metal Gear Mark 2 and 3. In my book I consider Shagohod a protype metal gear even thought it wasn't designed or developed by Granin or an Emmerich, RAXA is the first real one basing of Granin's designs but with Sokolov's touch (I see Sokolov as a psudeo-grandfather to REX Since he built the Shagohod which failure helped him build RAXA and provided data that helped in the building of every metal gear after). Then TX-55 the first full bipedal design, D which is a slightly remodeled version of TX, Next Rex which is mainly based off Granin's designs but also build upon the data of the failures of Shagohod,RAXA,TX,D. Finally there's Metal Gear RAY which is the last normal metal gear it was bad to combat REX based designs(even thought the prototype was bested by the original REX and it's Mass produced copies where bested by Raiden and Solidus), this is where it takes a hard left turn with Arsenal(sort of the next step up from the bipedal Nuke shooters by being a platform capable of launching nukes and bipedal metal gears), Gekko by Raven sword obviously based on the last two bipedal metal gears but slimmed down to not carry nukes, and Otacon's Mark II and III which are obviously based on a mix of TX, D and REX but shrank to be a little assistant during recon and stealth missions. I believe that there is one more which are Raging Raven's Drones which are pretty deadly and take the metal gear concept in another direction.Vault9Dweller (talk) 21:14, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gekko a Metal Gear? 

message: I have looked over this article and it is severely lacking. The references are inadequate, there seems to be an overabundance of non-free images and it appears to be written in a very in-universe style. It is, to my eyes, looking more like a piece from a dedicated wiki rather than a page that belongs on Wikipedia. It needs sorting out, or it may well end up getting deleted sooner or later. I had considered putting it up for deletion, but this seemed a far better route to take. Is there any way of salvaging this article? --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well (tooting my own horn), as someone who does a lot of editing and sourcing for fictional character articles, I can say that Metal Gear probably has enough sources (should anyone be willing to do the work to find them). The biggest problem is that your options are to search for Metal Gear and dig through all results relating to just the game, or try and limit the possible results at risk of possibly missing very good sources because one of the ways you limited the search excluded one. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 16:31, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

text: Yes, it could. If no one does the work to prove notability, then as far as we are concerned, it's a non-notable subject. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 17:52, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is already done. (And by me.) But it should be simplified and de-inuniversed, it reads almost like an article about real tanks (REAL TANKS ARE ON TRACKS COMRADE). With the Tyrants I basically just listed these things. --Niemti (talk) 18:53, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we get it. It probably is notable, the point they're trying to make is, sometimes notable articles that look like garbage could be wrongfully sent to AFD and deleted if enough editors don't look close enough and just vote "Delete". This is probably that type of article. Sergecross73 msg me  19:20, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC: Question about quality of Metal Gear (weapon) 

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