Talk:Posen (region)

message: Seven of the 27 articles for the individual Kreise contain no content beyond "Kreis XYZ was one of many Kreise (counties) in the southern administrative district of Posen, in the Prussian province of Posen." They are: Kreis Bomst, Kreis Fraustadt, Kreis Gostyn, Kreis Grätz, Kreis Jarotschin, Kreis Kempen, and Kreis Kosten. In early March, an editor proposed that Kreis Gostyn be deleted and I removed the prod notice a few days later. I feel encyclopedic articles could be written on the individual Kreise, but as it stands, the seven articles listed above contain no content that is not already in this article. So, I propose that we redirect those pages here until someone recreates them with more content. Comments? If no one objects within about 2 days, I will go ahead and redirect the articles. -- Black Falcon 04:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is fine, and gives me incentive to fill in the articles. (Due to hassles from those with an axe to grind, I've refocussed my energy to a wiki where I can make progress and not have to expend energy protecting the Project from those who have personal agendas. This has been quite successful, and the current project over there involves a GoogleEarth placemarks file that shows all the churches, civil registration offices, and synagogues.) Bwood 15:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, then. I have redirected them. My concern was that someone might successfully nominate them for deletion and then future recreations might fall under WP:CSD#G6 or have to be performed through deletion review. Until the articles contain further content, I think the least controversial thing is to have them as redirects. In any case, their edit history is preserved and can always be reverted in order to expand the articles. Cheers, Black Falcon 17:42, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've begun to update the articles (Bomst & Fraustadt, so far). I think you'll find that they contain enough material to prevent nominations for deletion  :) Bwood 16:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, I've finished updating all the pages. There are some scattered link problems, bugs in the process of converting links from one wiki to another. I'll try to clean these up manually. It looks like the Genealogy.net wiki project has given up developing an English version for Posen, and just links back to my wiki. The German Wikipedia version of these pages is not consistant, many are built on the WWII divisions, with brief references to the 1815-1919 Kreise. I will no longer defend the Standesamt articles, unless someone else picks up the ball, which is not likely. If Hallibutt wants to link the Polish names to the general articles about the villages/towns, I won't oppose, as long as a clarification is added at the top of the table. Bwood 14:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, after all that, I didn't do it good enough for WikiPedia, so all that was a giant waste of time. My wiki has essentially been blacklisted so I'm not going to continue to raise my blood pressure trying to get anything constructive done at WikiPedia, ever again. It's just too combative. You and the others are welcome to revise the work that I've contributed if you want. I hope you will. My position (in a few words) is: the material really needs to cover all levels of the state of the period right down to an article for each independant village (but not necessarily each hamlet), as well each parish, civil registration office, etc. There is no practical way to create and protect that many articles on WikiPedia. I can and have done that on birchy.com. I had  hoped to build a bridge between the two, maintaining duplicate articles at each wiki, from the Kreis level on up. I was happy to share the work we've down at Birchy.com on the Prussian Posen province with the wikiPedia audience, as long as the bridge existed so that if a researcher stumbled on the wikiPedia articles first, they could conveniently continue their research on the more specialized wiki. I got pidgeon-holed as a spammer, instead. So I don't see any reason to encourage researchers to articles that dead end, when they don't have to. But you and the others are welcome to carry on. Good luck against the "Danzigers" (as the discussion below provides a fresh example). Feel free to grab material from birchy.com as you have time. My time is better served adding material to it, rather than trying to share it with the monstor that WikiPedia has become. You know, it used to be: "material first, quality later". Now it's "Quality first, material eventually, maybe". I don't have too many years left in this world. I've enjoyed compiling and making easily available a lot of data for others to use, I hope to do much more. If I do, it will be available on WikiPedia, unless you and the others pick up the torch. Goodbye and good luck! Bwood 13:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirecting pages for the individual "Kreise"