Talk:Droste effect

message: I think the Morton salt girl is sometimes shown in the same way. AnonMoos 14:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morton salt girl 

message: Douglas Hofstadter mentions the Morton salt girl, video feedback loops, mirrors-held-up-to-mirrors, and other similar phenomena as examples of a concept he elaborates on and calls a "strange loop," in his new book I am a Strange Loop. I think he may have gone into it in GEB as well, but I don't remember, and I don't remember if he mentioned the Droste effect by name. I humbly suggest someone who can authoritatively say what the difference is between a Hofstadterian strange loop and the Droste effect please edit this page, or merge them, or at least link them to each other in the "See also" section or SOMETHING.... as they are similar enough ideas. All I remember for certain is that a strange loop percieves itself, whereas video feedback and the Droste lady picture and the Morton girl pictures do not, but... yeah.
Katyism 15:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope that as a native speaker of Dutch I can provide the authority required: the Droste effect is the specific pictorial effect of having the picture appear within itself, in such a way that it appears infinitely often; so it is a particular type of strange loop. Rp (talk) 20:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Strange loop" 

message: Photos from a digg article
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshsommers/sets/72157594405604955/
Katyism 15:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illustrations 

message: Collectors of US comic books call this effect infinity cover when used on the cover of a comic. I am not sure where to add this info on the page. A good reference source would be the Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide. There are many examples, e.g. Bongo Comics Free For All (2007 edition), Simpsons Illustrated Magazine #4. 195.35.160.133 (talk) 15:42, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a Comic Book section, citing Batman #8, Action Comics #500, and Bongo Comics Free For All (Thanks, Martin, I didn't know that last one), with a cite to CBR's article. What's the WP policy for adding cover artwork? It looks like the standard is to use a low-resolution image, with a Fair use rationale. Whbjr (talk) 20:15, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  We don't generally add to threads that are many years old. Cover artwork is however likely to be in copyright, in which case we'd only use it in extremis, in which case the fair-use rules apply. One of those is that you can't put them in a gallery, so you'd be able to use at most one image. Another is that the image is necessary. That will be difficult to argue as the principle is already clear from the Liberty cover that we already have in the article. The "infinity cover" idea is thus not exclusive to comic books. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:28, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infinity cover. 

message: I don't think that is a good idea. Consider WP:SELF. --Beao 21:10, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page is an example of the Droste effect. 

message: Am I alone in thinking that this isn't an example of the Droste effect? It looks cool, of course, and it's definitely recursive, but I don't think it's the same subcategory of recursion as the one in this article. Salvar (talk) 23:57, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree. The article lead currently defines the term this way: "An image exhibiting the Droste effect depicts a smaller version of itself in a place where a similar picture would realistically be expected to appear." The infinite spiralling clock doesn't strike me as quite meeting that definition, and more intuitively it just doesn't look like any of the other examples. I also agree that it looks cool, though :) Rizome (talk) 00:50, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree. Think I'll be bold and remove it. --Mongreilf (talk) 13:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clock picture 

message: I don't believe it is correct.  75.4.206.211 (talk) 05:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  This old discussion is closed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:09, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it correct to include the [[Sun Microsystems]] logo as an example of this phenomenon? 

message: As I remember, in one episode of the television show Mr. Rodger's Neighborhood, a television camera is briefly pointed at what appear to be a television tuned to a live broadcast of the show, creating a Droste effect.  In reality, the show was not broadcast live, so it must have been an on-set closed circuit monitor.  If anyone else remembers this example, it should be added, but I last saw it so long ago that I am not sure that my memory is correct.71.109.149.180 (talk) 05:37, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr. Rodger's Neighborhood example 

message: What about a webcam pointing at the computer screen so the computer screen shows a smaller image of the computer screen? Is that a valid example? If so, I would be delighted in providing such an image - a practical use of my $5 Hong Kong webcam :-)  .
Old_Wombat (talk) 10:24, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A more up-to-date example? 

message: hello User:Chiswick Chap, if a reference does not exit, can I remove it ?
I mean no 5 :  See the collection of articles Medieval 'mise-en-abyme': the object depicted within itself for examples and opinions on how this effect was used symbolically.(does not exist http://courtauld.ac.uk/researchforum/projects/medievalarttheory/documents/Mise-en-abyme.pdf )
Should I alert someone before removing it ?
Thx Hexagone59 (talk) 21:09, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  We shouldn't just delete useful sources even if web pages have gone missing as they often do. Fortunately in this case the Wayback Machine of archive.org has kept copies (https://web.archive.org/web/20131102033517/http://www.courtauld.ac.uk/researchforum/projects/medievalarttheory/documents/Mise-en-abyme.pdf) so we can put in an archiveurl parameter now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 22:13, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  reference  does not exit anymore 

message: Is this the original Jan Misset image for Droste?
 
The :File:Droste.jpg has been deleted because the PD original design by Jan Misset was replaced in commercial usage by c. 1926 with the design we are all familiar with by Adolphe Mouron. It may be that :File:Droste cacao echantillon blikje, foto1.JPG is the original: it would be good to have this confirmed.
Alternatively, it may be that the Jan Misset image was barely known and the only worthwhile and famous version is the now-deleted Adolphe Mouron design, in which case we might be able to defend a Non-Free Usage Rationale for it, either in this article or (maybe more easily) in an article about exactly that (undoubtedly) notable image.
I'm placing the probably-Misset image in the article now, as it looks really strange and frankly sad without Droste itself in there. For my money, the Misset version is enough like the familiar Mouron version that we have a good solution here, but your views on the questions above are welcome. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:16, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Droste image

message: The album cover of Pink Floyd's Ummagumma does NOT contain the Droste effect, as the picture on the wall is clearly a completely different picture than the main image. This item should be deleted. It's vaguely similar to the Droste effect, which is not noteworthy. It's not the Droste effect.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:B169:E41A:F814:C42F:2D1:57B8 (talk) 17:25, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. It's not an exact example of the Droste effect, but it's more than "vaguely similar." It's clearly meant to be the Droste effect, but with minor changes and at least three sub-levels, which is more than can be said for the model village in Bourton-on-the-Water. Whbjr (talk) 19:42, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please note that a Wikipedia talk page is NOT A FORUM for discussing topics, e.g. is something this effect or not. That is a matter for our sources, and we just cite them to build up an article. We can discuss here if a source is reliable, for instance, but that's about it. Hope this is clear. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:58, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pink Floyd ''Ummagumma'' 

message: See here: .
An editor may use the image for this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.41.98.105 (talk) 03:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  1904 Original