Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Passenger trains task force

message: Hey guys, I was just checking out the Illini train route in Illinois, and I have to ask: is this really notable?  I mean, who outside of Illinois cares about a pair of trains that shuttle college kids back and forth from Carbondale to Chicago?  I understand articles on Amtrak and major train stations, but are articles about individual trains and small routes necessary?  Are we going to have a Wikiproject about every individual bus in the United States?   Tractorkingsfan 13:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Short answer, yes it is notable because it was given an official name by the railroad. Slambo (Speak) 14:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This question is also being asked regarding Illinois Zephyr and the new Carl Sandburg - likely due to your Illini query.  I understand the comment, but it also insulting (just for college kids from Chicago?) -- having lived in downstate (west-central) Illinois for 20 years -- with its unique transportation issues.  I could argue the politics of the 1971 Illinois Service establishment is unique in US politics (references are available).  Additionally, why are California and Norteast Corridor exempt from this same judgement? Beatgr 20:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability? 

message: Since there are still so many articles left to write on passenger trains (like the red links in Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway#Passenger train service, for example), would it be helpful to start a section on the task force page to list new passenger train articles?  I started one this week on the Twin Cities Zephyr and I've got more information to add to it, but I thought we might want to have a local announcement location so other task forcers can help with any additional resources they may have.  Slambo (Speak) 19:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New articles 

message: I am going to be expanding Long Island Rail Road in the next week, since I just received Steel Rails to the Sunrise through interlibrary loan. I'm generally not a fan of rolling stock, so it would be great if someone else could write a summary of the LIRR's rolling stock, including its history, with citations (or see if I can find citations from the book) to help bring the article to featured status. Thank you. --NE2 18:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for general LIRR rolling stock information

message: Is Wikipedia a resource for education and carrying FACTS or a tool for American propaganda? I have edited out redicules claims by Americans in the Land speed record for railed vehicles and Empire State Express only to have arrogant Americans delete them and accuse me of pov can we have a neutral observer look at these sections Oxyman 02:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  tool for education or American propaganda 

message: Since the list seems to be short, how could one go about joining the task force? I am interested and would love to contribute. Jimzim66 22:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you do what I did - edit the list of names with your tag, then start pilfering templates.  :-)  Seriously, I don't know the answer either.  --plaws 23:15, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joining 

message: Is the inclusion of wtts for specific passenger trains prohibatd? --Prof Jolly 18:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTT 

message: I've been poking at the Lone Star (Amtrak) for a while now and finally came here to see if there is some standard way of editing articles regarding named trains.  Specifically, I'm trying to come up with an elegant way to handle the fact that the Texas Chief lasted into Amtrak days right up until the AT&SF pulled the plug on their Chief trademark ... and then continued as the Lone Star.  
I'm starting to relieve the article of the non-Amtrak stuff and I've included the Amtrak Texas Chief info, so now I need to start a stub for the "other" Texas Chief.  What is the best title for that?  Texas Chief?  Texas Chief (AT&SF)?  Texas Chief (Santa Fe)? 
What is the convention?  --plaws 23:23, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Answering my own post ... I've added redirects to the other train names but I'd still like to know how to handle this. --plaws (talk) 19:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Over on the List of North American named passenger trains (C), there are three trains listed as Cannon Ball (passenger train). I was going to recommend redirecting this to Montauk Branch but that would make the Boston & Maine and Norfolk & Western railroads part of the redirect, when that only belongs on the Long Island Rail Road. ----DanTD (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standard Format 

message: I've added an article about the Texas Special.  It lacks pictures because the only pictures I can find are models for sale on ebay.  I hope to be getting some images and additional information and hopefully some images from The Katy Railroad Historical Society soon.  In the meantime, I'd be grateful for any additions and corrections.
Lownen (talk) 17:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Added [[Texas Special]]

message: I'd be grateful for additions, corrections, and/or feedback.
Lownen (talk) 05:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added [[Meteor (St. Louis-San Francisco Railway)]] 

message: On the Traveltrain article It has small genral information about each train Eg. Sunlander westland Etc. Etc. I  Mattythebatty has started on The Train Spirit of the outback.
so could some people help on this work in progress  
mattythebatty (talk) 06:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Queensland Australia Long Distance trains  

message: I've just created an article on the TZ.  Not very extensive, but has a number of substantial external links for any reader who wants to find out more or add to the wiki article.  Textorus (talk) 22:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Texas Zephyr]] 

message: I have just notified the talk page at Template talk:TrainsWikiProject about a problem with the switch which places articles into task-force categories, specifically I found a problem when following the instruction on the present task force page. I suspect this may mean that a number of articles which presently has Passenger=yes instead of passenger=yes (lower case 'p') will be conjoined properly to this task force once the fix which I have requested gets implemented. __meco (talk) 11:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: lower case p should be used, else the article will not wind up in :Category:Passenger trains task force articles and the task force will not be viewable via the  template (note that the name of the template has been changed (although redirects do not necessitate any switch).  A similar problem plagued the |streetcars=yes parameter too.  Note that some parameters use upper or mixed case as proper nouns or abbreviations (e.g. |UK=yes). In the absence of a bot to assist in switch articles I've found that using Talk: prefix searches along with a case sensitive search in my web browser (to overcome the case insensitivity of wikipedia search) can help spot articles that need adjustment. Pedro Xing (talk) 04:05, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Update: thanks to a recent template change both passenger=yes and Passenger=yes now allow for the article to be categorized into :Category:Passenger trains task force articles.  This change has boosted the article count from around 1,071 up to 1,661 - a bonus of 590 articles. Pedro Xing (talk) 04:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with the Template:TrainsWikiProject  task force switch 

message: When I realized that the Santa Fe's Chicagoan originated in OKC for part of its life, I got interested.  Thing is, its counterpart was named the Kansas Cityan ...  I figure I need to rename the article to include both names.  What is the best way to do that?  Redirects for each name afterward, of course, but what name?  --plaws (talk) 21:48, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  US trains with different names in different directions? 

message: On July 25, 2010, SEPTA is doing away with all the "R" numbers for the Regional Rail lines, and splitting them into two lines naming them after their destinations on each branch.  For example, R6 (SEPTA) will become the Manayunk/Norristown Line and the Cynwyd Line.  This means that each of the 7 Regional Rail line articles will need to be split, disambiguated, and the  templates will need to be updated.  This will require a lot of work and I am willing to do it with some help.  For more information, see this article.  Please let me know if you have any questions or would like to help out. –Dream out loud (talk) 07:04, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big changes coming to SEPTA Regional Rail; help needed with many updates 

message: Why is the Pacific Surfliner yellow in the rail color boxes? I thought it was blue (a lighter shade of blue than Amtrak blue). Train2104 (talk) 16:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pacific Surfliner is yellow? 

message: A search of "car" on the NHRP throws up some passenger, freight and maintenance-of-way cars:
WP name                                              	NRHP name                                                                   	NRHP ref	Location       	State
Chapel Emmanuel Railroad Car                         	Chapel Emmanuel Railroad Car                                                	76001740	Madison        	SD
PRR ?                                                	Combination Baggage and Mail Car No. 5403                                   	79002261	Strasburg      	PA
?                                                    	Cumberland Valley Car                                                       	79002265	Strasburg      	PA
Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad 04414         	Denver & Rio Grande Railroad Box Outfit Car No. 04414                       	09000568	Cimarron       	CO
Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad 5620          	Denver & Rio Grande Western Railroad Stock Car No. 5620                     	09001276	Cimarron       	CO
Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad 5679D         	Denver & Rio Grande Western Railroad Stock Car No. 5679D                    	09001277	Cimarron       	CO
Abraham Lincoln (Pullman car)                        	Denver and Rio Grande Western Railroad Business Car No. 101                 	88000740	Othello        	WA
Dinwiddie County Pullman Car                         	Dinwiddie County Pullman Car                                                	91000834	Midlothian     	VA
DODX Guard Car G-56                                  	DODX Guard Car #G-56                                                        	07000441	Pine Bluff     	AR
PRR?                                                 	Flat Car No. 473567                                                         	79002267	Strasburg      	PA
Frankfort and Cincinnati Model 55 Rail Car           	Frankfort and Cincinnati Model 55 Rail Car                                  	97001344	New Haven      	KY
Denali Pullman Car                                   	Harding Railroad Car – Denali Pullman Car                                   	78003423	Fairbanks      	AK
Louisville and Nashville Combine Car Number 665      	Louisville and Nashville Combine Car Number 665                             	97001343	New Havan      	KY
?                                                    	Marcia (pullman car)                                                        	75000526	Craig          	CO
V&T?                                                 	McKeen Motor Car #70                                                        	05000968	Carson City    	NV
Messenger of Peace Chapel Car                        	Messenger of Peace Chapel Car                                               	08000998	Snoqualmie     	WA
Mt Broderick Pullmand Car                            	MT. BRODERICK Pullman Lounge-Obs-Sleeping Car                               	97001345	New Haven      	KY
?                                                    	Niles Car & Manufacturing Company Electric Railway Interurban Combine No. 21	87000762	Worthington    	OH
PRR ?                                                	Passenger and Baggage Car No. 4639                                          	79002276	Strasburg      	PA
Southern Pacific MW 7130 and MW 7131                 	Railroad Steam Wrecking Crane and Tool Car                                  	07001301	Chandler       	AZ
DRGW .....                                           	Rio Grande Southern Railroad Derrick Car                                    	10000237	Cimarron       	CO
Roald Amundsen Pullman Car                           	Roald Amundsen Pullman Private Railroad Car                                 	09000582	Scottsdale     	AZ
Seaboard Air Line 6113                               	Seaboard Air Line Dining Car--#6113                                         	01000334	Boca Raton     	FL
Seaboard Air Line 6603                               	Seaboard Air Line Lounge Car--6603                                          	01000335	Boca Raton     	FL
Second Railroad Car No. 21                           	Second Railroad Car No. 21                                                  	78003214	Carson City    	NV
Sheboygan Light, Power and Railway Company Car #26   	Sheboygan Light, Power and Railway Company Car #26                          	06001069	East Troy      	WI
Southern Pacific Railroad Passenger Coach Car-S.P. X7	Southern Pacific Railroad Passenger Coach Car--S.P. X7                      	00000101	Yuma           	AZ
PRR?                                                 	Steel Hopper Car No. 33164                                                  	79002277	Strasburg      	PA
Ferdinand Magellan Railcar                           	U.S. Car. No. 1                                                             	77000401	Fort Lauderdale	FL
Please feel free to edit this table to keep it up to date. — Iain Bell (talk) 11:51, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passenger and freight cars on the National Register of Historic Places 

message: I've started updating this article which does not seem to have seen major work since mid-2008. If anyone has a copy of this book Streamlined Passenger Trains of the United States & Canada by Alan L. Pettet can they have a look at the article to make sure that the original author has not simply copied straight from it (Publication details such as the publisher, year of publication and ISBN are also needed).
Also useful would be help running down contemporary newspaper accounts of the train. Graham1973 (talk) 12:56, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[City of Memphis (train)]] - Need help with updating 

message: I recently got into a bit of a tussle over whether City of Los Angeles should redirect to City of Los Angeles (train) or to Los Angeles itself. Having straightened that out we now have a superfluous City of Los Angeles (disambiguation) page and a hatnote about "City of" pointing directly to the train. I'm thinking that we should do the same thing for the remainder of these given the rather roundabout linkage from "City of X" to "City of X (train)". Mangoe (talk) 19:15, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "City of ...." article linkages 

message: Hi all,
Just checking - this is talking about train services carrying passengers, not the vehicles used to form those services?
Anothersignalman (talk) 14:31, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification of purpose 

message: Please see the Requested move at Talk:La Gazelle (train)#Requested move 27 May 2017. Regards, Yashovardhan (talk) 16:35, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  RM Notification 

message: Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:2017 Washington train derailment#Requested move 21 December 2017, regarding a page related to this WikiProject. Your opinion and rationale are needed so a decision can be made. Thank you and Happy New Year to All!  Paine Ellsworth  put'r there  12:39, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please come and help... 

message: Assistance is requested at Talk:Caledonian Sleeper#Hotel on Wheels. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:54, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caledonian Sleeper 

message: Bit of a newbie/novice here, but I noticed that the ATSF Chiefs aren't on the list of Streamliner trains.  Seems odd as pictures of their engines are on the Streamliner definition page. Eartman (talk) 04:37, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  ATSF Super Chief not a Streamliner? 

message: Are there any preferences or conventions for citation of old printed railroad passenger train time tables, say, for documenting dates and type of service to locations? IveGoneAway (talk) 12:17, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time table citation style 

message: I have left a message regarding a cleanup tag at Talk:Northern Trains#Cleanup tag for any interested editors. Long story short, the service tables on that page are a big mess and many routes violate WP:NOTTIMETABLE. Jalen Folf (talk) 20:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup request on [[Northern Trains]] 

message: Higher-speed rail has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Steelkamp (talk) 07:22, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Higher-speed rail good article reassessment