Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Archive 14

message: The various articles that related to the Teen Titans (TV Series) characters could use some revising.  Currently the "semi-articles" on the TV versions of the characters require you to have some knowledge of the "original" comic versions of the characters.  This should be revised, however, as many of the younger Wikipedians will only be familiar with the TV version, not the comics version. --Tim4christ17 20:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teen Titans 

message: Fans/historians of any or all, I hope you'll contribute to these latest three bios. (Just coincidence they're all "M"). -- Tenebrae 15:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: DiPreta just added. Anyone who saw his reprinted work in Marvel's b/w '70s horror mags will appreciate him. Turns out he was also the longtime successor artist on the comic strips Joe Palooka and Rex Morgan, M.D. -- Tenebrae 18:32, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Pablo Marcos]], [[Val Mayerik]], [[Sheldon Moldoff]], and [[Tony DiPreta]]

message: Has anyone seen Marvel animated universe? I had never heard that these series were supposed to be connected in some way; I don't believe Marvel ever represented them that way. This appears to be the sort of "Us, too!" thing that fans of the Big Two like to do. Because DC has a pretty cohesive animated universe, Marvel just has to as well. This just feels like OR to me. --Chris Griswold 04:07, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marvel animated universe 

message: I just made two simple but time- and keystroke-saving templates:  and . I like when editors have used the phrase "Marvel Universe" to link to both the Marvel Comics and Marvel Universe articles; it's cute but it takes a little extra work. These templates make such a double link much faster to execute. --Chris Griswold 05:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shortcut templates 

message: With all the recent "outing" of popular characters in the past few years Spiderman, Daredevil, Captain America, in addition to the central theme of Civil War, does anyone feel that the addition of an identity section would add to the Hero-Box.  Something stating whether an idenity is secret, known to the public, etc.  This would be similar to the Handbooks to the Marvel Universe I believe.  --sharp962 12:13, 7/15/06 EST/.
:No, for the same reason the status variable to the SHB may be on the way out.  See Template_talk:Superherobox#Status_variable for discussion, but it centers around the idea that fictional characters exist in a perpetual present so that all developments in the life of the character are true of the character at any given real world time.  Peter Parker is both a secret identity (for readers of early comics) and public identity (for current ones).  --Newt ΨΦ 16:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hero-Box addition 

message: I've just moved many merges out of "discussion" and into "needs to be done." The list can be found here. CovenantD 17:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work as usual. I'd like to commend CovenantD for his maintenance of the Notice Board. I'm happy to see that people are contributing to it; I like being able to vote on the merges and deletions that are listed, and I see better consensuses forming in this vote discussions. --Chris Griswold 23:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Is there a good example of a page with both 616 and Ultimate versions of a character.  I would be glad to help with the merges, but would want to do it right (i.e. should there be two SHB's, etc.).Silver lode 04:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I reckon that the right way to do it is the way I've seen it done before - have a SHB only for the 616 version, and then give a section entitled "Alternate Versions" with Ultimate, AoA, etc.  List the changes and differences in the alternate versions, but don't include an all new SHB for it.  Gamesmaster 09:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree. --Jamdav86 13:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merges 

message: Started it out. Hope to have some help expanding it. Needs plenty of work on it.
 One-Above-All
Would appreciate it.--ThanosMadTitan23 17:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  One-Above-All (Supreme Being) 

message: Has anyone looked at the Star Wars-related comics articles?
I just found Knights of the Old Republic 9: Flashpoint, Part 3 and was horrified. An entire article about a single issue due in August. What the fudge times ten. --Chris Griswold 22:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just looked at the contributions of the editor that created that. Houston, I think we have a problem. Oh well, I had nothing really  important to do for the next 12 hours. Where to start with the merge tags? CovenantD 23:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AAAAHHHHH!!!! :Category:Star Wars comics. Better make that the next week. CovenantD 00:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks, that's a relief. What I've been doing is simply tagging each individual issue for merge into the article on the comic book series. That includes the trade paperbacks, which also seem to have their own article. It might take some looking around to figure out which to merge into. I hope everybody will consider weighing in with an opinion on these. CovenantD 02:19, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Awesome. May the force be with you. --Chris Griswold 07:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh. 

message: There is a dispute on whether or not spoiler tags are appropriate for Wikipedia. Some editors wish to remove spoiler tags while other editors wish to keep them and/or update their guidelines and appearance. A request for comment has been started at Wikipedia:Spoiler warning/RfC with a structured discussion page on Wikipedia talk:Spoiler warning/RfC.  All editors are invited to share their input on any or all of the issues being discussed. -- Ned Scott 03:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler tag Request for Comment 

message: I noticed it as a request, but I don't think it needs a page. The Amalgam page itself has a pretty decent list on it, that's good enough (especially since Amalgam was only around for a few years and isn't even active right now). What does everyone else think?   RobJ1981 12:55, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, if anything is needed, I'd think it could be appended to the Amalgam Comics article.  --Newt ΨΦ 13:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Well that makes sense. Amalgam is inactive (from what I know), so all articles on their characters could technically be moved onto one page, with the character pages merged (then deleted).   RobJ1981 23:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, please please please do. I am happy to know this is going on. --Chris Griswold 06:48, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: So, in the end... all Amalgam character pages will just be on this one (and the character pages will be deleted)?  If that's the case, there is still much more to do. Chris, are you free to help out?  I have the character list basically done, and some information on a few characters so far. I was thinking of just copy and pasting sometimes, but on some of the Amalgam character pages...there is alot of information. I will need alot of help sorting out which is useful, and which isn't.  RobJ1981 18:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, let's do it. --Chris Griswold 23:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: As I already said on the Amalgam talk page, I think it would make much more sense to merge the characters into articles about the indivual books (per WP:FICT), than in the main Amalgam article... --Fritz S. (Talk) 18:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: 24 books = 24 wiki pages. That seems like too many for a series that didn't last long. I think the list and the Amalgam comics page should be more than enough to tell about the characters and the books. RobJ1981 19:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, if you think it can all be covered in that one article, that's fine with me. --Fritz S. (Talk) 19:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 24 series, to me, are essentially one 24-issue series. Amalgam is general is just a lot of "suppose these characters were the same thing!!!!" and clever little twists on things that fans of those characters or bureacratic organizations would find amusing. It's just generally not that deep. --Chris Griswold 23:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Amalgam list of characters?

message: Would a list of super villain teams be needed? There is more than enough villian teams out there in the comics world. I was thinking of making one, since I didn't see one... but I saw lists of Marvel teams, and DC teams as well. But that's both hero and villian...not one or the other.  RobJ1981 17:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a look at :Category:Villain groups. —Lesfer (talk/@) 19:15, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This one List of criminal organizations in comics is just for the old fashioned world conquering criminal organizations, there is no current list for regular villain teams so it shouldn't be a problem. --Basique 21:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree completely.  The Supervillain chronology also lists some teams but it is very much still a work in progress and just mixes them together with individual villains.  I'd be glad to help with any information I can contribute.  Kant2k6 15:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Super Villain team list?

message: We currently have a category called Comics terminology and one called Comic book terminology. Is there any good reason to keep both of these categories? Iron Ghost 00:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All comic books are comics, but not all comics are comic books. --Chris Griswold 04:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The current scheme has organizational value that would be lost if Cbt items were put into Ct.  Some individual items might be more appropriate in Ct rather than Cbt - if you notice any of them, you should move them.  j-beda 17:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category duplication 

message: It seems like alot of clutter of related things and things that really don't need to be there. I'm in reference to the whole long "Other DC and Marvel crossovers" list (I can understand listing some of it, but certainly not all of it) and the whole section of the trading card sets that list each and every card in all sets.  RobJ1981 05:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Marvel vs DC]] needs a bit of cleanup

message: I notice there is no article for Comic Book Crossovers and that the comics section on the Fictional crossover article is a bit short. I was hoping, firstly, to generate some support for creating such an article and secondly, to get some consensus at to what actually counts as a crossover. 
Does a crossover have to take place across more than one title, or do "special events" taking place in a single title (such as Crisis on Infinite Earths and Contest of Champions) count as well? I'm sure we all want to avoid a list of every time Superman appears in a Batman comic. Thoughts? 
--Iron Ghost 21:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say list the major events, but as for Superman and Batman popping up in each other's comics, just mention that it occurs. --InShaneee 00:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep in mind naming conventions so that it would be either Comic book crossover or Crossover (comics).  Or would it? --Newt ΨΦ 02:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think Crossover (comics) is probably best. Iron Ghost 10:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comic Book Crossover 

message: Does anyone know what the boundaries are between projects? Do Wikiproject Comics and Wikipedia:WikiProject Buffyverse work together to handle the Buffy comics like this one Remaining Sunlight (Buffy comic)? I wouldn't have even known these existed if not for the Dark Horse Comics page. I've been assuming that someone in the project did, and that they all belong to the Buffy folks. --Basique 21:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No-one owns them, but at a guess it's possible no-one's really looked at them as yet.  I know there are people sorting out Star Wars comics articles, so it's probable they'll get to these at some point.  Where projects overlap we follow the wiki method of seeking a consensus approach.  Hiding Talk 21:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, thanks for the quick reply Hiding. No intention of making more work for you guys, just a heads up. --Basique 21:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Buffy Comics

message: I'd like to point you all to the dispute going on at the X-Men article talk page. Me and Covenant seem to be unable to persuade the anomynous user that his actions are not in line with wiki policy. Of course, anyone who disagrees with that notion is welcome too. Kusonaga 12:46, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  X-Men "Notable characters" dispute 

message: The article having been approved by 0.5 FA Review, I'd like to bring my recent concerns about the article to a larger audience (since nobody seems to be watching the article itself lately). I think there are some significant omissions that deserve more attention. –Unint 22:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Watchmen still needs work 

message: Can everyone here please contribute to the discussion at Talk:Avengers (comics) please? Thanks in advance. --Jamdav86 15:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avengers