Talk:Sunderland/Archive 1

message: A City????? how can you have a city without a cathedral?,never mind a cinema
:I think Sunderland's sheer size was the basis for its gaining city status.
A quesion like this must come from a Novocastrian.  Is this fine Parliamentary City being denigrated by a citizen of that Royalist Tyneside hamlet.  We whose fame and wealth derive from the honest toil of our worthy citizens and a love of Lord Protector Cromwell and not royal monopolies?  :)   garryq 12:17, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Status

message: I'm pretty sure that Sunderland was the last name of one of the developers of the sunderland flying boat. I can't find any source other than Wikipedia, indicating that the craft was named after the city of Sunderland.  (I remember my grandfather telling me stories about meeting Sunderland in a restauraunt by chance after the war.) Could someone verify the origin of the name for the Sunderland.  Is there another amphibious aircraft with the name of Sunderland? Sennheiser! 17:42, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Flying Boats

message: Why exacly has this been moved from 'Sunderland' to 'City of Sunderland' no other page about a city has been moved like this. G-Man 11:33, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There is another settlement (a tiny village) called "Sunderland" in Northumberlamd, although I hardly think it merits the main article space. However, if Sunderland is technically now called "City of Sunderland" and the article should carry this name. 80.255 00:20, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving

message: No matter what the traditionalists and apologists of the ABC et al think, the traditional County Durham does not exist.  References to it in the present tense are senseless.  The item I have reverted today had to stand logic, and previous claims, on their head in order to push this antediluvian view, not only made this present tense reference but inserted a mention of the administrative county.
Sunderland was not administered by County Durham.  So was not part of the administrative county.
The absolute right to decide these boundaries rests with the Queen-in-Parliament.  Anything else must be in the past.  Are we to abandon fact for a refusal to admit changes happen?  Are we now to refer to Monmouthshire in Wales, in the traditional borders of England?  Is or was Danzig in Germany?  
Sunderland is in the United Kingdom, which still exists as a legal entity, is in Great Britain, which still exists as a legal entity, is in England, which still exists as a legal entity, it was in The Kingdom of Northumbria, which no longer exists, and it was County Durham, which no longer exists in its previous form.
: Please sign your comments. Whether Danzig is part of germany is determined by law; you rightly observe that it is not currently. Similarly the status of the counties is determined by law. The law has been very clear in never abolishing them. This is nothing to do with being "anti-change" - but simply accepting the fact that entities that have never been abolished continue to exist, de jure! Queen and parliament have many times stated that the traditional counties have never been abolished. Although it is true that such statements are not legally binding on their own, do you really believe that they were all deliberate lies? 
: Further, please see my responses at talk:Gloucestershire. Best regards, 80.255 23:53, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old County Durham is no more 

message: Is there any significant Jewish community outside the City of Sunderland in Tyne and Wear? Everton 08:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd just like to know why exactly the "Jewish Community" is mentioned at all? The article states that in 2001 there were 114 registered Jews - 114 out of a population of 300,000 is such an insultingly small percentage that one wonders why it was ever mentioned in the first place. One would further imagine there are more than 114 Pakistanis in Sunderland, or more than 114 Bangladeshis - why therefore is there mention of the almost non-existent "Jewish Community" and no others? What is so special about these 114 Jews that they deserve special mention?
I agree. Someone has done this for all the north east towns, where in fact only Gateshead has a significant Jewish history and population that requires a section of its own. Personally I'm in favour of deleting the whole section wholesale as it is utterly irrelevant and misrepresentative. Anyone accessing this page would first be led to believe Sunderland was a majot Jewish settlement, then on reading the page would come to the conclusion that the page is useless as it contains a large tract on a tiny fraction of a percentage of the population! I'll trim it down significantly and see what happens --SandyDancer 09:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish community 

message: The Boho survey placing Sunderland as Britain's least creative city was based on three criteria.
1. Number of ethnic minority residents
2. Number of gay residents
3. Number of patent applications
The first two seem utterly irrelevant and devalue the whole enterprise.  To put this in the Wikipedia article simply denigrates Sunderland for no reason. 
Nor is Sunderland 'notionally' a city. It is officially a city. There are other cities without a cathedral (or an airport) e.g. Wolverhampton, Brighton. Other towns and cities have upgraded polytechnics, without   
any slur being implied. Northumbria in Newcastle is very highly rated.
Is all this a deliberate vandalism?
I propose to edit.
Bandalore 17:48, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well ok, I hereby suggest that creativity is based on the number of chocolate donuts a person eats. Its no less relevant than what gender the person you sleep with is or what colour you are!! Nothing but arbitary points of reference in this survey and a straw man attack on Sunderland as a city. BTW please define creativity? Excatly what are we being judged on?? I doubt that many serious academics would take this seriously. Straw men attacks generally do not get tolerated at University level.
If this spurious and tendentious 'survey' is inserted again. I shall appeal to a higher power. 
~It has been inserted again, and I've deleted it. If it is inserted once more I will do something entirely sinister. I have never heard of anything more ridiculous in all of my living days. Use some common sense rather than blindly following readings please.~ SAFCjl 23:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creative cities