Talk:Vernacular architecture

message: Erauch, good collaborating with you.  After some thought, "Those who use...." didn't seem true in every case.  Some examples of vernacular are long-lasting and inhabited by users centuries after construction.
Pictures would be good -- examples too.  Are there any in Oliver's book judged as the best or most sophisticated?  
cheers
--Lockley 15:04, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It really depends on what I find on it. 2601:C4:8100:4860:1CFC:CF2:178C:A0D8 (talk) 17:48, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I assume the photo of the Duncan house is supposed to illustrate vernacular architecture. How? Could someone please add an explanation to the caption so readers like me can understand why that particular house’s architecture is considered vernacular? --Rob Kennedy 20:05, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duncan house photo 

message: Can someone give an explanation for why the municipal library photo is included in this section? It seems less expressive of the subject than the Duncan house photo. --Dalejarvis 14:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aalto's Viipuri Municipal Library photo 

message: This article seems to have a lot of information, but I still don’t feel like I have any idea what vernacular architecture is. Here are some comments and questions I had after reading it again.
To begin with, the first two paragraphs give conflicting definitions of what vernacular architecture even is. If we can’t define it, then how can there be an article about it? Is there a lowest common denominator?
What do the Latin roots of the word vernacular have to do with this style of architecture? Was the architectural term first used to describe slave dwellings? If not, then I suspect the style got its name based on the modern English meaning of the word, not the original Latin one.
“Vernacular architecture may, through time, be adopted and refined into culturally accepted solutions, ….” Was that sentence supposed to imply that vernacular architecture is not initially accepted, culturally? Which culture? Are there examples of cultures that built various buildings yet rejected the style? (What problems were they solutions for?)
The second paragraph doesn’t seem to like the idea that the Duncan house is given as an example of vernacular architecture. If nobody can yet explain what that photo’s doing in this article, then just remove it. Don’t try to justify the photo by saying the style “might” refer to that building. Does it, or doesn’t it? If there’s disagreement, tell who’s disagreeing.
Can we lose the “white man” reference? Perhaps “Europeans” would be a less racially charged term. But either way, it’s assuming that the building in question was built by a white man. Are there any sources available to back that up? Besides, I thought vernacular referred to the nativeness of the architectural style or of the building materials, not to that of the architect or of builder. So what does race have to do with anything?
Readers don’t need an encyclopedia to tell them a term is ambiguous. They’ll figure that out for themselves by the fact that the article gives ambiguous and conflicting definitions. This article should strive to help readers, not confuse them further.
The article says Bernard Rudofsky wrote “in defense of vernacular.” In defense from what? What was attacking it, and why? What was Rudofsky’s MoMA exhibition?
The article is making the POV claim that vernacular buildings have legitimacy and hard-won knowledge. (And hard-won knowledge is in quotation marks — who is being quoted?) Who considered the book iconoclastic?
Why is Paul Oliver’s book “more serious” than Rudofsky’s? The stuff that Oliver “has argued” — was that in his book? If so, then the sentence should be something like this: “In the book, Oliver argued that vernacular architecture ….” If he instead argued it elsewhere, then cite that source instead. Did Oliver give any reasons why vernacular architecture would be more important in the future? What is cultural sustainability, and how will vernacular architecture help sustain it?
Did Christopher Alexander succeed in identifying any adaptive features? (Or did he just attempt to identify them?) If he succeeded, what were they? How do they relate to vernacular architecture?
Which culture enabled vernacular traditions? What is an example of a vernacular tradition? And doesn’t the second paragraph pretty much say that vernacular architecture is distinguished at least in part by its lack of tradition?
What is the relationship between regional modernism and vernacular architecture? That is, why is Viipuri library shown in this article? What should I focus on as I look at that picture? The wavy ceiling? The stools from Ikea? The giant windows? What is that photo illustrating? (Apparently, “regional modernism” is a redirect to this page, but that term is never used except in the photo’s caption.)
Who, specifically, extends the term vernacular architecture to include stuff outside the academic mainstream? Any citations? Is commercial vernacular actually related to regular vernacular? What are off-the-shelf aethetics? Are there any sources more specific than simply “those who study these types of vernaculars”? Where have those people written what they think?
Are there any sources available from architects and academics that praise or discuss Samuel Mockbee’s work?
What is the question of everyday life? Of the people who are interested in that question, what questions of sociology do those people lean toward? Has their study of vernacular architecture answered any of those questions? In what way did Michel de Certeau’s book influence them? --Rob Kennedy 04:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critique 

message: The term “vernacular architecture” is design industry jargon.   It’s defined as much by what it is as by what it isn’t.    Defining vernacular architecture is a little like the US supreme court on pornography; you know it when you see it.  Architects and designers who use the term don’t need all the answers to the questions posed in your critique. Get over yourself.     — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.131.101.100 (talk) 05:15, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
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message: the first picture in the article, and have moved it here to talk about.  This building, and the several more somewhat similar ones found in the picture, do not look like vernacular architecture to me. They look like architect designed structures that draw on vernacular traditions such as thatched roofs and eyebrow dormers.  I am not even sure that the roofs are thatched, rather I suspect that they are faux-thatch of some sort.  This, in my opinion, is not what we need for the first image in this article.  Having it show up later in a section about vernacular inspired architecture would be fine.  But that is just my thought.  What is yours? Carptrash (talk) 17:48, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes they are vernacular-styled, rather than originals. I'd be prepared to give the thatch the benefit of the doubt though. Johnbod (talk) 18:05, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you're right.  Amandajm (talk) 13:33, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  I plucked out this picture, 

message: I hadn't lookied at this article for a while.  I want to point out here that sometimes well-meaning additions by people who are enthusiastic about there own particular branch of the tpic can be almost as destructive to the coherence of an article as a deletion can. An addition in the wrong place acts like a red herring or may give much too much emphasis to something that , in the contect of the article, is of minor importance. 
The article has a section Influences on the vernacular, with subheadings  "Climate", Culture", "Nomadic dwellings" etc. 
Right into the middle of this section, someone had pasted their own particular enthusiasm - Candaian Railway Stations with a list of them! 
:Amandajm (talk) 13:33, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed a section

message: https://whc.unesco.org/en/earthen-architecture/
--Visionhelp (talk) 08:13, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I miss the term "dogtrot house" (sometimes called "possumtrot house") in both the article and th gallery. A dogtrot house was occasionally seen in the American South in the 18th and 19th centuries. It consisted of two side-by-side structures joined by a covered breezeway, or dogtrot. Definitely a vernacular style. HFizer (talk) 20:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question: remarkable ´World Heritage Earthen Architecture Programme´ ? 

message: So vernacular architecture isn't "really" architecture, until it gets the revival treatment, or is imitated (usually badly), or has the word mock- put in front? Tudorbethan style is architecture, but the style it's imitating isn't?!?! Nuttyskin (talk) 10:30, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Johnbod (talk) 15:14, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

text: I second that "No". Netherzone (talk) 15:50, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  ...but vernacular revival ''is''?