Talk:Awards and decorations of the United States Armed Forces

message: To add to the greatness of this article, I have begun adding ribbon pics of all the awards.  This will expand the article from a simple list to a bonified index.  Enjoy! Husnock 2 Oct 2004
:Excellent! I think tableization will be necessary in each section though, to get ribbons and names to line up properly. You'll also want to shrink the ribbon images a bit then, so the names don't get spread too far apart. Stan 04:59, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Grand Project Begun

message: I am pleased to announce that every decoration in this article now has a corresponding ribbon picture.  Some of the articles have yet to be written, but the ribbon picturte download is compelte.  Thanks as well to to anon user who redid the layout template into neater columns.  It has made the article look much better.  A toast to us all. -Husnock 28 Dec 04
:Hey Husnock, nice job on the section.  However, I notice some of the ribbons need to be cleaned up.  I am going to redraw the ribbons and post them as soon as I can.  I will also post them up using the PNG format. Zscout370 17:25, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ribbon Pictures Complete

message: I have just performed a MAJOR revamping, expansion, and article creation project to branch out this article into the civilian decorations of the United States.  Eventually, this will hoepfully include every significant award of the federal government, most state awards, and the higher level local decorations to include police decorations.  Is this more than I chew?  I guess we'll find out. -Husnock 15Feb05
*I personally do not think so, since there are many sites that list civilian awards.  If an entire article cannot be used or produced, a few short lines will be good enough on the main medals/ribbons section. Zscout370 03:26, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More than I can chew

message: Can "pseudo" be changed in the section relating to Sea Cadets and Civil Air Patrol? I don't think "pseudo-military" is correct terminology. 70.57.139.181 19:07, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording 

message: Ok, based on a few suggestions at several places, I was told that the file names that I choose are cyptic. I agree and now, I will be in the process of renaming and reuploading the various ribbon bar images I have placed on here and on the Wikimedia Commons. If you wish to help me out on this, just let me know. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 15:33, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ribbon Bars 

message: I recently upgraded my web browser to Netscape 8 and discovered that the ribbons on the page now appear as straight columns and dont line up with the actual name of the award.  It looks like tables need to be created, much as in the case with the articles listed under Military badges of the United States.  That should be fun. -Husnock 03:01, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking of having tables in rows of four. First will be the ribbon, then the name of the medal above. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:07, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See the Order of Canada article for an example. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:07, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We might as well go full speed ahead and put pictures of the full sized medals.  Most of the linked articles have them.  If the sizing is consistent and it doesnt look too non-conform.  The table in the Canada Order would be a good template to use. -Husnock 03:14, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: I am using the ribbons right now, but we can always replace the ribbons with whatever we find. I am fixing up the foreign decorations template now. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:18, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just tried as an experiment adding in full sized medals pics.  It actually looks pretty good.  In concert, we can update together.  Go USN!  Go BSA!  -Husnock 03:23, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tables needed 

message: Well, with the new medals pictures (which look really cool, by the way), I at last began the grand project to turn this into a disambig page.  To avoid having the "inyuse" template up there, I finished the main page and will use the edit and article history to go back adn get the templates for the new articles. -Husnock 05:10, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grand Disambig Project 

message: My proposial: it is a coordination page for all who wish to work on medal related articles, regardless of nationality. I suggest we get the two of us, Hallibutt and anothers we know to work on this project. What do you think? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:02, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  OMD Wikiportal 

message: For those who follow this page, we seem to be experiancing a problem with some new users going into award articles and "updating them" which, in actuality, entails cutting and pasting (word for word) text about the medals from other websites to include the Institute of Heraldry and the Center for Army History. We've already had problems with Southwest Asia Service Medal and Kuwait Liberation Medal being effectively blanked and replaced with copyrighted info from other websites.  Also, on Purple Heart a user pasted in a large segment of material word from word from another site.
I feel articles about medals may duplicate ther websites, in so far as the criteria, but never should a medals article simply be a mirror image of another site.  We are not creating a backup Institute of Heraldry, but rather writing original articlesd to cinlude medals and awards info from a variety of sources.
I have already copyvio noticed two articles and encourage everyone to be aware of this kind of "shotgunning" where established articles are blanked and replaced with info from other sites -Husnock 00:01, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed this was never responded to.  Unless stated otherwise, as works of the U.S. federal government, the Army's Institute of Heraldry and Center for Army History are in the public domain.  ~PescoSo say•we all 17:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyvios on medal articles

message: my bad, was in a rush :) Joe I 03:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Numismatics

message: This article feel into disrepair some time ago, in particular due to a large campaign regarding military award images listed as "stolen" from various sources.  I am happy that the new chart has been added and this article really looks neat.  The chart in place is an EXCELLENT reference guide.  Good for whoever did that! -OberRanks (talk) 20:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: To whoever did it...you're awesome

message: I added in the West Indies Campaign Medal to the very neat chart but don't know how to make a .svg file (or whatever its called) for the picture.  I also think it might be in order to merge in the Sampson Medal and the Dewey Medal.  The more and more I learn about these two medals, the more I see that, especially in the 1930s and early 40's (when these medals were worn by some senior admirals), those two decorations were viewed as official awards of the Navy.  A update is probably needed here. -OberRanks (talk) 16:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navy Spanish-American War Campaign Awards 

message: If a military member transfers/reenlists into a different branch of service, do they continue to wear the same version of their awards? Or do they switch to the Current service version? i.e, If a Marine has a NUC, and goes to the army, does he wear the nuc award, or the VUA? If we can find a source for this, it would be nice to include in the article as well. Sephiroth storm (talk) 03:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The person would wear the award of the original service that cited the decoration.  A marine with a NUC would continue to wear a NUC on an Army uniform.  There are also some very low awards which also cannot be worn on sea service uniforms, like the longevity ribbons and the training ribbons due to the Navy having no equivalent. -OberRanks (talk) 03:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Transfer Question

message: I thought I would throw this out there that this webpage is very much still active on the Internet.  For those who don't know the history behind this, the man who runs that website has actually done a very good job collecting medals and insignia info.  Unfortunately, he has caused some big stirs over the years by claiming that HE holds the copyrights to pictures of United States badges, military medals, and badges of rank.  This is actually a bit funny since half of the pictures that show up on his webpage are from Randolph AFB or the Institute of Heraldry, and he is posting them on his page as his own creation.  Anyway, he just updated his page and has "Copyright 2010" on all of his images.  He might show up on Wikipedia claiming this article, and others about medals and badges, are using "his" material without permission.  If he does, the best thing is to ignore it.  It was taken seriously about two to three years ago and the result was the destruction of several very good medals articles on Wikpedia.  Its really a very sad case - the man who runs that site once had a lot of fans in some very high places - his webpage was used once by NPRC as a training guide.  Instead of working with others, he actually tried to sue the Military Personnel Records Center for that very reason (thrown out of court, I heard).  Anyway, watch out for this - it is still an issue on the web. -OberRanks (talk) 13:14, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Army Insignia Homepage still very active on the web

message: Question:  The Silver Star appears to be wrongly placed in the chart on this page.  You have placed its order of precedence above medals that are higher than it is, for instance the Army Distinguished Service Medal.
This is from the article about the HSDSM:
The award would be worn after the Medal of Honor, Navy Cross, Distinguished Service Cross and Air Force Cross and before the Defense Distinguished Service Medal and the Department-specific DSM decorations. The award is only authorized to be given to members of the Coast Guard.
 
Personal Note: For members of the military, it would be worn directly AFTER the DDSM, but the military is not eligible for this award... In any case, the HSDSM comes before ANY department-specific distinguished service medals...
In the article, there are also two links for the above mentioned caption.
Greetings, claudevsq (talk) 12:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This actually sounds like it should be under Awards and decorations of the United States government as this does not appear to be a military decoration, but rather the highest civilian award of the Department of Homeland Security.  In any event, the decoration would clearly never be worn before the DDSM. -OberRanks (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, but in Thad Allen's case, he got two HSDSM's and one DDSM, and he wears them in that order. claudevsq (talk) 17:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yes, and see Thomas H. Collins, for example. He has got a Transportation DSM, a Homeland Security DSM, and a Defense DSM (in that order). claudevsq (talk) 17:52, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

text: The following text is found above the table: "Note: Precedence of particular awards will vary slightly among the different branches of service."  With that caveat, I say list the HSDSM below the DDSM (based on date of establishment) and before the service-specific DSMs, since it's a department-level award akin to the DDSM.  The note should not say anything about being a civilian award, though.  It's as much a civilian award as the DDSM is. ~PescoSo say•we all 04:59, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Pesco, you are absolutely right! But I thought that, since a few years, the Coast Guard was only a part of the military in wartimes?!? claudevsq (talk) 07:34, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Claude, in wartime (or when the President directs), the Coast Guard *may* be transferred to fall under the Department of the Navy (which falls under the Department of Defense).  Last time that happened was WWII.  Since then, laws have been changed to make it easier for military branches to operate jointly, which reduces the need of the Coast Guard to be completely transferred like this.  It's true that the Coast Guard does not usually fall under the Department of Defense, which creates misunderstandings about it's status, but despite this it is military at all times. :) ~PescoSo say•we all 13:56, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

text: OberRanks, I understand why you undid my edit.  However, why would you remove the Transportation Distinguished Service Medal from the Obsolete Decorations and Service Medals section?  As I read the literature, this U.S. Coast Guard military award was replaced by the Homeland Security Distinguished Service Medal.  Thus, shouldn't the Transportation Distinguished Service Medal be listed in this section?  FYI: This service medal is not awarded to civilians. --McChizzle (talk) 16:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure about that one.  If its a legit obsolete military award, then by all means add it.  If its still a currently issued civilian decoration of the Department of Transportation, it should be kept over at the civilian decorations page. -OberRanks (talk) 01:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Here is my argument about the lifesaving medals (I have not edited anything else on this article, at the moment). It specifically states here http://www.uscg.mil/directives/cim/1000-1999/CIM_1650_25D.pdf  see Chap 4, that they are not military decorations. This article is clearly about military decorations. A non-military decoration should, by definition, not be included. There is most likely another article where it can be placed; it's not as if the Lifesaving Medal is being assigned to oblivion, it is listed in the Awards and decorations of the United States government article, as well as having an article of its own. The roots of the award are non-military as well; the law that established it, 18 Stat. 125 (June 20, 1874), originally had the Dept. of the Treasury issue the award. In any event, the Coast Guard (which currently issues the award) Medals and Awards manual says it is a non-military decoration. Finally, there are certainly other non-military awards that are authorized for wear on a U.S. military uniform, for example the Presidential Medal of Freedom. If we start listing all of them, the article goes beyond its title.--Nyctc7 (talk) 00:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Also let me mention, not unkindly,  that the reference http://www.homeofheroes.com/medals/1_precedence.html should be only considered as a convenient guide, not as an official document.--Nyctc7 (talk) 00:45, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

text: I am removing the Gold and Silver lifesaving medals. They are listed on the Awards and decorations of the United States government page, and that is where they belong. See above for a link to the Coast Guard Medals and Awards Manual which clearly states that they are not military decorations (they may be authorized for wear on military uniforms; however nowadays with the military non-combat heroism medals, it would be unusual for them to be awarded to military personnel).--Nyctc7 (talk) 17:35, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of Precedence of the Homeland Security Distinguished Service Medal. 

message: I removed the addition of the old Department of Transportation awards since these are already listed at Awards_and_decorations_of_the_United_States_government#Department_of_Transportation.  The modern day Coast Guard, to my knowledge, also no longer is awarded these decorations, although those who were previously awarded the decorations may continue to wear them.  The DOT awards as of 2012 fall under the category of "civilian decorations authorized for wear on military uniforms", thus they should not be displayed on this article but be maintained on the civilian article. -OberRanks (talk) 14:32, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: OberRanks, I understand why you undid my edit.  However, why would you remove the Transportation Distinguished Service Medal from the Obsolete Decorations and Service Medals section?  As I read the literature, this U.S. Coast Guard military award was replaced by the Homeland Security Distinguished Service Medal.  Thus, shouldn't the Transportation Distinguished Service Medal be listed in this section?  FYI: This service medal is not awarded to civilians. --McChizzle (talk) 16:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure about that one.  If its a legit obsolete military award, then by all means add it.  If its still a currently issued civilian decoration of the Department of Transportation, it should be kept over at the civilian decorations page. -OberRanks (talk) 01:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Department of Transportation Awards 

message: The recent removal of the Lifesaving Medals needs to be discussed.  They are still authorized for wear on military uniforms and, historically, have been held by some major military figures such as George Patton.  I am not that active on the site anymore, but the blanking of those awards raised enough alarm bells for a comment. -OberRanks (talk) 23:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is my argument about the lifesaving medals (I have not edited anything else on this article, at the moment). It specifically states here http://www.uscg.mil/directives/cim/1000-1999/CIM_1650_25D.pdf  see Chap 4, that they are not military decorations. This article is clearly about military decorations. A non-military decoration should, by definition, not be included. There is most likely another article where it can be placed; it's not as if the Lifesaving Medal is being assigned to oblivion, it is listed in the Awards and decorations of the United States government article, as well as having an article of its own. The roots of the award are non-military as well; the law that established it, 18 Stat. 125 (June 20, 1874), originally had the Dept. of the Treasury issue the award. In any event, the Coast Guard (which currently issues the award) Medals and Awards manual says it is a non-military decoration. Finally, there are certainly other non-military awards that are authorized for wear on a U.S. military uniform, for example the Presidential Medal of Freedom. If we start listing all of them, the article goes beyond its title.--Nyctc7 (talk) 00:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Also let me mention, not unkindly,  that the reference http://www.homeofheroes.com/medals/1_precedence.html should be only considered as a convenient guide, not as an official document.--Nyctc7 (talk) 00:45, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

text: I am removing the Gold and Silver lifesaving medals. They are listed on the Awards and decorations of the United States government page, and that is where they belong. See above for a link to the Coast Guard Medals and Awards Manual which clearly states that they are not military decorations (they may be authorized for wear on military uniforms; however nowadays with the military non-combat heroism medals, it would be unusual for them to be awarded to military personnel).--Nyctc7 (talk) 17:35, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lifesaving Medals 

message: It seems to me that this heading needs to modified, eliminated, or something. To the call the Purple Heart an award for non-combat is inaccurate...In the article on it, under "criteria" it states that it is not awarded for non-combative injuries. It is also not awarded specifically for heroism. 
Secondly, the Bronze Star Medal. No mention is made that with the "V" for valor device, it is the fourth-highest award for combat heroism. One solution may be to make a "notes" section (similar to a references section) where such things should be...noted. The way it would look is thus.
Bronze Star Medal 
 
The 1., 2., 3. etc can be made to appear at the bottom of the article, like and in addition to "References", but it would be titled "Notes".
That's just one idea, but something should be done??--Nyctc7 (talk) 01:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly a lot of thought here and some good research of references.  I would say get some more editors involved in a revamp/rewrite to clarify these various points.  The transfer of the USCG to the Dept of Homeland Security has also greatly changed the status of a lot of these awards so clearly a change is warranted. -OberRanks (talk) 01:29, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, I am now looking at the table in a different light. At first it appeared to me that everything under the heading was included until you reached another heading. Now looking at it again, I see what you mean. Thanks.--Nyctc7 (talk) 14:12, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In a very real sense the Purple Heart is not a combat medal. It is awarded for injury, not combat (or bravery). The criteria is "Any member of the Armed Forces of the United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Services after April 5, 1917, has been wounded or killed"101.98.175.68 (talk) 07:52, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medals for non-combat heroism 

message: I think this is mislabled
By order of precedence   >
Medals for non-combat heroism  >
 Purple Heart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Heart
The Purple Heart is not awarded for non-combat injuries.[6]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vgerdj (talk • contribs) 05:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  non combat issue 

message: I probably could repeat this multiple time on different pages, But I choose to come here. In many cases Biography pages will show what awards the service member earned/qualified for. When this is done in the Wikipedia page, it usually presented in 4 awards across on one row.  TO My recommendation for the US Navy and Marine Corp ribbons and awards are worn being 3 across in a row. IN addition within the Navy, ships usually have their awards displayed somewhere- on occasion on exterior of the Bridge wing. For the USS Iowa, a seperate user took and posted a picture of teh ships awards, then posted it (on talk page) and called the awards ribbons on the article wrong. With time, and a close examination, the MAJOR difference was 4 in a row versus 3 in a row. 
Question #1- anyone reply if the happen to know the Air Force of Army wear awards/ribbons in a row of 4? 
Has this ever changed over history as to what is the directions? 
Any place to create a template to properly do 3 ribbons in a row? And think out a simplified edit procedures to update existing pages. 
Wfoj2 (talk) 18:01, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Wfoj2, For the U.S. Army, I recommend reviewing section 29-7, on page 270, of AR670-1.  For the U.S. Air Force, I recommend reviewing chapter 11, pages 147-156, of AFI36-2903; but you can focus your study on figure 11.1 on page 156.  Let me know if you need more information. --McChizzle (talk) 15:49, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  How Awards / Decorations/ Ribbons are Worn/displayed - Width or each Row 

message: Besides the "ribbon" for the Chaplains' Medal, we now have images for other ersatz ribbons. It is my position that such ribbon images have no encyclopedic usage because they were never authorized, issued, or even created.  – S. Rich (talk) 16:53, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a much broader issue which would probably need other editor input.  I didn't add any other ribbon images to the article, so would need to review those on a case-by-case basis. -OberRanks (talk) 17:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. And I've posted a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Orders, Decorations, and Medals. – S. Rich (talk) 17:07, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

text: See  for two recipients of the NC-4 Medal wearing the ribbon bar.  Title 32 of the 1967 Code of Federal Regulations lists some of the awards in the official order of wear:  and finally page 66 of DoD Manual 1348.33, Volume 3 lists many of the awards being called into question.  EricSerge (talk) 22:38, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Mil Spec sheets for ribbons of Dewey Medal, Sampson Medal, NC-4 Medal, Peary Polar Medal, Byrd Antarctic Medal, Second Byrd Antarctic.  EricSerge (talk) 23:16, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

text: US Navy chart showing ribbon bars for the Byrd medals: .  EricSerge (talk) 23:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

text: 1930 USCG Uniform Regs showing some of the offending ribbon bars: .  Is this enough that we can move the awards back up into the 19th/20th century commemorative section?EricSerge (talk) 23:41, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually like the new set-up which clarifies which awards were one time only single purpose and commemorative.  Its not by any means stating they were not real, just that they were issued for a single event rather than broad campaigns or other types of service type awards. -OberRanks (talk) 02:03, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

text: I've got no problem with ribbons with WP:V as per the RS provided. With this in mind, they are not "offending medals". (Thank you.) In the US military (and with other services such as the police) a ribbon is a device pinned onto the uniform. With more formal uniforms, such as Dress Whites, the full fledged medals (or small versions of the medals) are worn. Ribbons (as we see depicted on the article page) are worn with less formal uniforms such as Class As (Army) or Dress Blues (Army). If the ribbons don't actually exist, they can't wear them (duh!). But for us to post images of ribbons that do not exist -- because they lack V -- is not good editing. I don't doubt the existence of the Cardenas Medal, but we cannot assume that the Navy (or any other official agency) created a Cardenas Ribbon.  – S. Rich (talk) 23:56, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Looks like the USCG ref you provided has the ribbon. Thus, V is satisfied. Thanks again.  – S. Rich (talk) 23:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Further note -- some of my remarks about a ribbon image being invented were intemperate and inappropriate. I believe I have striken all of the improper language. And I have extended an apology to the editor involved.  – S. Rich (talk) 00:48, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: And other "ribbons"

message: I noticed that under Active United States / By order of precedence / Personal decorations / Achievement medals, that the following are listed: Navy and Marine Corps Combat Action Ribbon, Coast Guard Combat Action Ribbon, and Air Force Combat Action Medal, but not the Army's Combat Infantryman Badge. Why is that? I'm not questioning the article's accuracy--it's a very helpful article, I've used it in my work several times. I simply want to understand--and perhaps it might be helpful to add an explanatory footnote for others who read the article and have the same question. (Just a suggestion - I defer to those of you who know a lot more about this topic than do I!). Many thanks -  Mark D Worthen PsyD 04:34, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The badge is listed on a separate article: Badges of the United States Army since this article deals with ribbons and medals; the badges are covered elsewhere. -OberRanks (talk) 15:08, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I had been told that the CIB is equivalent to the Combat Action Ribbons of the other services in terms of honor or recognition, but since the CIB is not listed in the Order of Precedence, I assume it is not as significant as the ribbons. Is that correct? Mark D Worthen PsyD 15:44, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the "order of precedence" is informal – in a sense it asks "who has bragging rights?" At the same time, the CIB is more visible because Army guys can wear it on their utility/cammo uniform, but other services don't wear their combat action ribbons on their utes/cammies. Amongst those who've been in combat, the greatest respect is given and shared amongst infantrymen and Marines. I say "shared" because an Army infantryman won't say his CIB has precedence over a USMC CAR (and vice versa). Also, the USA/USMC infantryman will give and share respect to the Army/Navy medic/corpsman who wears a Combat Medic Badge/Combat Ribbon because those are the guys that share the hardship, danger, and who care for their brothers in arms. Now, how this stuff translates into useful Wikipedia material is another question. Before we try to put my rumination into article text, we'd need reliable sources.  – S. Rich (talk) 18:39, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! That is very helpful. Massive respect and appreciation for you guys and gals who have served. Mark D Worthen PsyD 21:16, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Army Combat Infantryman Badge 

message: The other day I saw an old AN/SPS-65 radar with medal ribbons on it. 
Is this standard practise? I'm not familiar enough with the ribbons to pick what they were for.
If this is standard practise, and there are specific conditions where this occurs, it may well be worth adding a section to this article on it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.131.88 (talk) 11:29, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Medals for equipment

message: The order of precedence states that the Purple Heart precedes the Air Medal in precedence - yet the official portrait of James Stockdalehttp://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/050706-N-0000X-005.jpg shows him wearing the Air Medal before the Purple Heart. I doubt he would have gotten the precedence wrong for an official portrait.Marcerickson (talk) 03:05, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Back in the day, the PH was lower in the order.  I don't know exactly when they changed it.  I think sometime during or right after Vietnam. -O.R.Comms 19:00, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of Precedence 

message: Per this Air Force document , the Air Force MTI and Recruiter ribbons are no longer awarded. Eligible personnel are now awarded the Air Force Special Duty Ribbon. I added the Special Duty Ribbon, but did not know whether to move the recently discontinued ribbons off the main section or not. Many personnel on duty, including active, guard, and reserve, are likely still wearing the discontinued ribbons. Thoughts? EricSerge (talk) 22:08, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If they are being worn by people currently serving, I would leave them where they are now.  The understood rule of an obsolete decoration is typically thirty years from last issuance.  Interestingly, there was a recent memo from the DoD officially saying that the Korean Service Medal is now obsolete and should be removed from award charts. -O.R.Comms 22:17, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with OberRanks.  Though I've always wondered why they chose 30 years.  Wouldn't there still be carreer-service types still in service then, albeit only at the highest ranks (E-8/9's and General/Flag ranks)?  Gecko G (talk) 17:47, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the actual practice is thirty years from the discharge, retirement, or death on active duty of the most recent recipient of the award.  Because yes, there are still some people wearing the Vietnam Service Medal today even though that war is now thirty to forty years in the past. -O.R.Comms 01:27, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obsolescence of the AF MTI and Recruiter ribbons 

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message: I would like to remove the various award device examples of the same marksmanship ribbons for it's no different than having to add a separate image for every award with a "V" device, which does not seem appropriate.  Some of the marksmanship devices do indicate a very different award, such as the Coast Guard Silver Rifle Excellence-in-Competition Award, but others, like the Navy Pistol Marksmanship Ribbon with Sharpshooter Device, is just the same award but with a device indicating that the sailor achieved a high core.  The argument you see on this talk page from the former OberRanks is just nonsensical and circular to me.  What say you? --McChizzle (talk) 13:08, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The Navy reg’s I’ve seen all seem confused as to whether there are 3 or 4 different marksmanship awards (counting the competition badges, which are outside the scope of this article) but are consistent that the medal is different from the ribbon-only base marksman award/qualification. Gecko GMobile (talk) 09:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

text: P.S. If you want to do some searching (I don’t have the time to do so myself) I can point you towards the following OPNAVINST series’s: 1650.1, 3591.1F, 3590.7, and perhaps this “Marine Corps Order P3590.13A” which I saw referenced. Cheers, Gecko GMobile (talk) 09:14, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marksmanship devices 

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