Talk:Elon Peace Plan

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replies: text:  Ok, then I remove the copyrighted material. Der Eberswalder 07:33, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

message: An anon changed the following text:
:this plan is considered irrelevant to the point of ridicule by the vast majority of Israelis and all Palestinians
I reverted his change. The fact that the article is using strong words does not make it POV. In fact, for something the vast majority of Israeli regard as a bad joke, the description in the article is accurate, and a weaker description would be POV. Gadykozma 12:53, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strong != POV 

message: Israel (if it was you), discussion of Jordanian demographics belongs under Jordan. If you want to discuss them here, denote it clearly as arguments of the plan's supporters, and bring the opposing arguments too. Read the neutrality policy. However, it would probably be best to just do without it, the various "views" sections (e.g. in Arab-Israeli conflict) are not Wikipedia's greatest. Gadykozma 12:51, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jordanian demographics 

message: I would like to thank Gady for cooperating with me in the process of improving the document more or less to our mutual satisfaction.  Thanks!
:Thank you! It was very enjoyable working with you and I hope you will carry this attitude of yours to other areas of Wikipedia. We could use it everywhere. Gadykozma 00:22, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank you to Gady 

message: I was surprised to find out that there is no Hebrew Wikipedia page corresponding to this one.  I posted a note to Hebrew talk:Benny_Elon  asking if someone could make a page on it.  
I'm not sure where to go to ask for someone to make that page.  Suggestions?  
:Epl18 13:10, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked. It seems to be there now. 74.103.60.55 05:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  this article in hebrew 

message: "Elon" should be written "Alon"
Since "Alon" is similar to pronouncing of alone . and the letter "e" does not state the actual
syllable that is supposed to be. it is to be Alon as pronounced for example Affair . 
just a little note , I'm Isreali and my name is Alon and I do know this KM, and I guess I should know how to write my own name , trust me on that one . —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.81.238.133 (talk) 11:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Elon" should be written "Alon" 

message: the article is clearly POV and biased. it starts with the name, it's incredibly cynical to call this proposal a "peace plan". it's irrelevant that the creators of the plan have given it this label. furthermore, the article reads like an apology of this "plan". --Severino (talk) 16:07, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the plan's name. You can disagree with it, or with the prospects it will actually bring peace, but surely you realize that is just your POV. Many people think other "Peace plans", e.g. the Road map for peace are equally cynical, and yet that's what we call that article, because that's the name of the plan. Other than the title, what specific changes are you recommending to remove the perceived 'POV'? NoCal100 (talk) 05:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

text: It;s fairly clear that Nazi operations and plans are not a better comparable than alternative peace palns, but you;re wrong on that count as well - have a look at Operation Nordlicht, Operation Edelweiss, or Operation Barbarossa. The article makes clear that the plan "concerned the transfer of Palestinians" - whta alternate formulation woudl you propose? Feel free to add more background information about Elon and his party - if that information is relevant to the article's topic, but that is not a reason to tag it as "POV". NoCal100 (talk) 15:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

text: It's indeed not surprising, since you keep changing your points - you first wrote "the article is clearly POV and biased. it starts with the name", and now you say "the title of the article is not the problem". Well, I'm happy to hear the name is no longer a problem. What is the specific change you would like to make to  the first line? In a comparable article (Road map for peace), the first line says "The "road map" for peace is a plan to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict proposed ...". How about if we change the words "is a solution" to "is a plan to resolve"? NoCal100 (talk) 15:59, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

text: What do you mean it is not a peace plan? You may not thing it's a good plan, but the there are those that do. I've made a suggetsion on how to improve the sentence you complained about - if you are not going to engage in substantial dialog, I'll simply remove the  POV tag. NoCal100 (talk) 00:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

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