Talk:List of attacks by ASALA

message: I removed both Turkish ministry of turizm and culture and Australian-Turkish media group as sources. Please use third party sources. Neither of those was third party. VartanM 22:42, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know about Australian ... but Turkish ministry of Culture is reliable. Also please use same standards for all the articles (eg. ones sourced by say, Armenian authors etc. ) Even primary sources are welcome, when one is careful when using them. DenizTC 03:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Denizz, you know that the Turkish government was the primary target of ASALA right? Turkish ministry of anything can't be considered as neutral in this article. This is not about Turkish or Armenian sources. This is about using reliable third-party sources. Right now I'm still thinking whether revert you or add a POV tag to the list.  VartanM 04:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not say it is a third party. I think a governmental (be it Turkish, Armenian, or whatever) office/person is reliable when making statements. That source seems to be a compilation of events, just like the one we are doing here. I don't see any POV problems or anything else. DenizTC 04:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Turkish government was the victim of the ASALA attacks, ASALA attacks were directed towards hurting the tourism in Turkey, you don't think ministry of tourism of Turkey would be a little biased? VartanM 05:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are thinking too much. I think they would still have this list, if it was just the ministry of culture. Besides ministry of tourism would also be reliable. Lying about ASALA attacks won't help tourism anyway, not that they would have lied if it was so. Ill be away for a few more days. You may revert if you wish, but I would appreciate if you didn't. DenizTC 06:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Third party sources

message: According to the Turkish Government, MIPT, and ASALA itself (as quated by MIPT) the founding date is 20 January 1975. I have included this on the header. I have been bold in restoring this into the header. I ask you not to remove it but I wont revert again. -- Cat chi? 02:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As Folantin said in the edit summary of 08:19, 30 December 2007, 20 January was the date of the first attack. Logically, the ASALA would almost certainly have to have been founded before then. ... so that fact had already been refuted, and using kultur.gov.tr as the source was already advised against.  What sources do you have besides the Turkish Government?  I'm about to make a few changes to the article; I'll comment again once done. John Vandenberg (talk) 23:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Ok, I am done for the moment.  Note that there are now a few  tags now on the article where previously "Tr MoC" was being used as a source -- the "Tr MoC" page does not say those attacks were performed by ASALA.  The worst example is the 12 March 1981 attack which is not even mentioned on the Turkish Government website. John Vandenberg (talk) 01:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work, John. It's been a real struggle to keep this one on the straight and narrow. At least we don't have the ASALA committing attacks in 1968 (!) any more. This is a dry, factual list which has little to do with "points of view". Accuracy is what counts. This is an encyclopaedia, after all. --Folantin (talk) 09:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founding date 

message: Exceptional claims require exceptional sources. --Folantin (talk) 08:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Reminder about Wikipedia policy

message: I am just going to list sources I cant use. Since hardly anyone is paying attention to me, I'll merely list them.
*gov
**http://www.kultur.gov.tr/EN/BelgeGoster.aspx?17A16AE30572D313A781CAA92714FCE0A3216081A23BEF0D
**http://www.byegm.gov.tr/yayinlarimiz/yuzyil/1970-1979.htm
**http://www.atam.gov.tr/index.php?Page=DergiIcerik&IcerikNo=204
**http://www.tbmm.gov.tr/tutanak/donem22/yil5/bas/b086m.htm
**http://www.egm.gov.tr/egitim/dergi/eskisayi/36/web/ataturk_cumhuriyet/Doc_Dr_sait_asgin.htm
*non-gov
**http://www.atmg.org/ArmenianTerrorism.html
**http://www.armenians.com/asala/index1.html <- Pro ASALA source
My GOD I can find sources... This one is without trying. -- Cat chi? 15:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: These are ligitament sources. If someone does not like Turkey, or their government, then too bad. That in itself is POV. So to say a source is not usable because its from the Turkish government, is not an actionable objection to call into question the reliability of a source(s). DragonFire1024 (talk) 12:17, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources that cant be used