Talk:Kapila

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Lord Shri Krishna also speaks of Kapiladev's teachings as one path of the Sanatan Dharma: 
*"Only the ignorant speak of devotional service [karma-yoga] as being different from the analytical study of the material world [Sankhya]. Those who are actually learned say that he who applies himself well to one of these paths achieves the results of both." (Gita 5.4) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HinduDefender (talk • contribs) 20:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Krishna and the Samkhya panth: 

message: " Kapila's descendants can still be found in Punjab in North India, and in the Fenlands, UK."
This is why i love the wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klasovsky (talk • contribs) 22:49, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kapila's descendants 

message: Whenever I get around to it, I plan on doing some minor but not inextensive copy editing to this section. It strikes me in a few spots as having probably been written by a non-native speaker of English. No biggie, but figured I should give you fine folks who've made the article as good as it is today a "heads up" before I just go in and start doing word surgery. :^) :^) ༺།།ༀ་ཨཱཿ་ཧཱུྃ།།འཚེར།།xeltifon།།སར་ཝ་མང་ག་ལམ།།༻  {say it} { ζ(3) } {did it} 01:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy editing in § "Modern-day Homage by Hindus"

message: what does this mean, "let their shanks blow together across the salt-ocean" in this article? Please clarify or delete that sentence. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:44, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: @ done -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 03:48, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  salt ocean? 

message: - Refer to your edit, may I know if Haldane and Dronamraju are good enough authors to claim Kapila was a Vedic sage? Why would you overlook Note 1 and Note 2? How do we know Kapila mentioned in any veda is also the creator of Sankhya school? --Mayasutra [= No ||| Illusion =] (talk) 20:19, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: @Mayasutra: Haldane and Dronamraju are indeed good enough authors and an Oxford University Press publication by them is indeed WP:RS. No original research in wikipedia, just summarize what the WP:RS state. I did see notes 1 and 2, they are consistent with Kapila being a Vedic sage. Vedas have many aspects. Atheism is as much Vedic, as rituals and deities. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:27, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sigh! again.  Are Haldane and Dronamraju historians? Were are their sources? Why jump to original research? What makes you think notes 1 and 2 are consistent with Kapila being vedic sage? (seriously!) Can you find a 'good enough' source to show the author of Sankhya lived in the vedic period? Also, do Haldane and Dronamraju become better sources than Chakravarti's work mentioned in note 2? Go thru his work here See what he says on Kapila in page 111-112. What has this got to do with atheism in the vedas? You see Ms.Welch, you have a peculiar problem - if something mentioned somewhere in print; that's a wiki source; sans reasoning.--Mayasutra [= No ||| Illusion =] (talk) 21:09, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: @Mayasutra: We have been through this line of argument in :Talk:Maya (illusion) (see its archive and current talk page). I am not going to repeat it. You are plainly mistaken in your "reasoning (wisdom, prejudice, opinion)", as well as relevant facts. Let us stick to reliable sources for this article, and any other wiki article you choose to edit, not forum-y discussion or picking a side based on @Mayasutra's "wisdom, prejudice, opinion, original research, interpretation, reasoning". Please see WP:NOR, WP:NPOV and WP:TPNO. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:40, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Enough! Just do this: (1)  Find a source to show Kapila, the author of (any) Sankhya composition lived in the vedic period (2) Find a source to show Kapila of Vedas is Kapila of Samkhya. --Mayasutra [= No ||| Illusion =] (talk) 02:58, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: @Mayasutra: Already did long before you typed this "Enough!". Read the two cited sources. One is a secondary RS from Oxford University Press, and another is a tertiary RS Encyclopedia Britannica. Please review WP:COMPETENCE page: I can't help you if you can't read or are unwilling to read the cited sources in this article, or are unable to understand them. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:29, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Again, your Oxford Uni Press sources Haldane and Dronamraju mention no reference/source. So, removing it. Encyclopedia Britannica is not sure. It says, rather asks, "Kapila, (flourished 550 bce?)" but goes on to label him a Vedic sage! I asked you to just do this: (1)  Find a source to show Kapila, the author of (any) Sankhya composition lived in the vedic period (2) Find a source to show Kapila of Vedas is Kapila of Samkhya. It is apparent you cannot do so. Anyways, it is apparent, the very competent Encyclopedia Britannica (EB) assumes the Vedic sage "is often identified as one of the founders of the system of Samkhya"! (so much for claimed quality of editors of EB). For wiki, that should serve the purpose. So, am removing Haldane and Dronamraju and replacing with EB.--Mayasutra [= No ||| Illusion =] (talk) 06:18, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

text: Well, lady, already wrote above that Encyclopedia Britannica should serve the purpose for wiki; although it is strange that you change your source to the 1998 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica while the 2015 updated Encyclopedia Britannica puts a question mark "Kapila, (flourished 550 bce?)". Anyways, who asked you to repeat yourself. You seem to like to inform and explain things that are not relevant.--Mayasutra [= No ||| Illusion =] (talk) 16:34, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: For Sarah Welch

message: As discussed above, consider changing the intro to read as follows:
Kapila () is a given name of different individuals in ancient and medieval Indian texts, of which the most well-known is the founder of the Samkhya school of Hindu philosophy., Quote:"Kapila (fl. 550 BC), Vedic sage and founder of the system of Samkhya, one of the six schools of Vedic philosophy." Kapila of Samkhya fame is often identified as a Vedic sage, estimated to have lived in the 6th-century BCE, or the 7th-century BCE.PT Raju (1985), Structural Depths of Indian Thought, State University of New York Press, , page 304 
Rishi Kapila is credited with authoring the influential Samkhya-sutra, in which aphoristic sutras present the dualistic philosophy of Samkhya. Kapila's influence on Buddha and Buddhism have long been the subject of scholarly studies.Max Muller et al (1999 Reprint), Studies in Buddhism, Asian Educational Services, , pages 9-10W. Woodhill Rockhill (2000 Reprint), The Life of the Buddha and the Early History of His Order, Routledge, , pages 11-19
Many historic personalities in Hinduism and Jainism, mythical figures, pilgrimage sites in Indian religion, as well as an ancient variety of cow went by the name Kapila.
Since even Max Muller does not identify him as a vedic sage, (see pages xxxviii-xli); you should also consider giving due weightage to the views of Max Muller and Chakravarti, who mention a historic personage as Kapila did not live at all but was later identified as such. So also for views of Chaturvedi who propositions the transformation of a possible female Kapila into a male Kapila. Consider adding this in the biography section as follows:
The name Kapila appears in many texts, and it is likely that these names refer to different people. The most famous reference is to the sage Kapila with his student Āsuri, who in the Indian tradition, are considered as the first masters of Sāṅkhya school of Hindu philosophy. While he pre-dates Buddha, and is often identified as a vedic sage,, Quote: "Kapila, (flourished 550 bce?) Vedic sage who is often identified as one of the founders of the system of Samkhya, one of six darshans (systems) of Indian philosophy.", Quote: "Kapila was a Vedic sage (ca. 550 B.C.) and founder of the Samkhya school of Vedic philosophy."; it is unclear which century he lived in, with suggestions varying from 6th-century BCE, to 7th century BCE.
Kapila is credited with authoring an influential sutra, called Samkhya-sutra (also called Kapila-sutra), which aphoristically presents the dualistic philosophy of Samkhya.Kapila (James Robert Ballantyne, Translator, 1865), , pages 156-157Max Muller et al (1999 Reprint), Studies in Buddhism, Asian Educational Services, , page 10 with footnote These sutras were explained in another well studied text of Hinduism called the Samkhyakarika. Beyond the Samkhya theories, he appears in many dialogues of Hindu texts, such as in explaining and defending the principle of Ahimsa (non-violence) in the Mahabharata.
Chakravarti opines a historic personage as Kapila did not live at all,http://theosnet.net/dzyan/hindu/samkhya_karika_and_yukti-dipika_intro.pdf while Max Muller opines Hiranyagarbha Kapila of the vedas was distinct, and was later used to link to Kapila of Sankhya, to assign the authorship of Sankya system to Hiranyagarbha. Chaturvedi opines the transformation of the asura Kapila is associated with the transformation of the Samkhya from atheist to idealist, and suggests an early female Kapila was metamorphosed into the Kapila of Sankhya.http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=12077088</small>
In case you have a problem with the last paragraph, you can add it under "Other descriptions". Is this OK for all? As Sarah Welch can see, have used her sources Haldane and Dronamraju to refer to vedic sage only, not for dating. Have used her source Guida Myrl Jackson-Laufer for dating. There is no need to repeat with the additional new sentence ("This places him in the late Vedic period (1500 BCE to 500 BCE), and he has been called a Vedic sage") as Sarah Welch has done for POV-pushing and constructing sentences the way she ahs done; as explained above.
--Mayasutra [= No ||| Illusion =] (talk) 03:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested changes and other texts

message: Disagree, for the reasons explained above. Max Muller source neither states "Kapila is not a Vedic scholar", nor states "Kapila is a Vedic scholar". The focus of Muller in the mentioned source is something different. It is OR to derive or conclude something new, just because an author is silent, makes no mention either way about something. In contrast, the article already has multiple sources, with embedded quotes, that call Kapila as a Vedic scholar. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:57, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
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message: How did he died or is he still alive I want to know more since he's the founder of atheistm 950CMR (talk) 09:38, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
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message: Could someone explain why it is that this article claims he was California?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:201:100:6A00:F11A:6831:4743:2E65 (talk) 10:56, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
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message: One of the greatest God in hindhu culture that is shree Bramaramba devi 2405:204:50A0:FB2B:0:0:1E0A:F0B0 (talk) 12:59, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Kapila sage built a Powerfull devi Idol