Talk:Pasty

message: Just had to say - the bit in the article about bal maidens standing at the top of the mineshaft calling "Oggy oggy oggy" to which the miners replied "oi oi oi" as they came to collect the pasties dropped down to them by the women - this is a joke right?  It's so ludicrous I can't believe someone would even write it... (Maryjane22 (talk))  —Preceding undated comment added 15:30, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It comes from this Australian newspaper article, so I'll tag it with a dubious source tag for the moment, and see if anyone comes up with a better source for the claim - if not, it can be removed.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:42, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

text: I agree with every word of that, and I'll add that this article used to claim that pasties had hard pastry so they could withstand being thrown down mineshafts – till I took it out. There's a terrible tendency for people to add urban myths and old wives' tales to this article, and worse, they're often backed up by plausible sources. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oggy oggy oggy... 

message: Are the amount of categories this article is in a bit overkill?--Porthenys (talk) 17:00, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree; the article makes little or no reference to the United States, Australia or New Zealand, yet they account for more than half the categories.PacificBoy 04:56, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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message: I disagree that 'pasty' and 'Cornish pasty' are synonymous, especially in the UK.  I've always thought that the latter is a variety of the former, made with specific ingredients.  A cheese and onion pasty isn't a Cornish pasty but one made with beef and diced veg usually is, regardless of where they're made. VEOonefive 22:50, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: They are, of course, synonymous in Cornwall. Also, one could argue that the pasty originated in Cornwall, and that all other types of pasty are varieties of the original "Cornish" pasty. It would be hard to verify that one preceeded the other. That said, I'm sure the beef/veg version predates the cheese and onion version. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:07, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I was using cheese and onion as an example, my point is that pasties may originate in Cornwall but they aren't all considered to be the traditional Cornish variety.  The article does have its own section on what most strictly consider to be a Cornish pasty; not just any old filling wrapped in pastry. VEOonefive 03:01, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not true either that the only pasties served in Cornwall are meat and veg pasties - there are plenty of veggie pasties, crab pasties, etc. etc. available there.   How about: "A pasty... is a baked pastry with a savoury filling, traditionally associated with Cornwall.  It is made by placing uncooked filling — typically and traditionally of meat and vegetables though many varieties are now widely available — on a flat pastry circle and folding it to wrap the filling, crimping the edge to form a seal..... "  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:58, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

text: @Maryjane22.  That's very interesting.  However, please be aware that these pages are not a forum for discussing interesting thoughts.  They are a place to discuss improvements to the article, and those improvements should be based on reliable sources, rather than suggestions or personal opinions.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:42, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: All of which a) are not pasties, and b) have their own articles. If this article is "exclusive", it's because it's strictly about the pasty, not any of the other variants. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: See also See also.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:02, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

text: I've changed "official pasty" to "officially protected Cornish pasty", for clarification.  I have some sympathy with your opinion, but it needs reliable sources about non-Cornish pasties before anything similar can be included in the article, I think.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:38, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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message: Having looked at the list of references at the end of the article, it seems that not all of them are as trustworthy as might be hoped. A good number, especially newspaper and magazine articles from both the UK and abroad, seem to do little more than perpetuate the misinformation currently presented as fact about the pasty and its origins.  For serious students of the history of Cornish food, I thought it would be useful to suggest two very valuable sources of information:
WRIGHT, Mary, 'Cornish Treats' (Alison Hodge, 1986)
HAMILTON JENKIN, A.K., 'Cornwall and its People' (first published J M Dent 1945).  There is a whole chapter entitled 'Food - Ordinary and Extraordinary.'
The latter title is a composite work of three titles originally published separately and is an invaluable source of information for anyone keen to know more about the true history of Cornwall and the Cornish.  Both the titles I have listed are unfortunately out of print but are available from various online booksellers etc.  I hope that this information will prove to be of use to interested parties.  (Primrosewoods (talk) 14:14, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful sources of information 

message: How do I not see any mention of ketchup in this article?  I eat pasties with my grandma from the U.P. (Michigan's Upper Peninsula) and it's practically unheard of to eat these things without ketchup!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sloth monkey  (talk • contribs) 07:38, 8 April 2014‎ 
:Find a source that says that, please...   Here in the UK, eating a good pasty with ketchup would be considered gross barbarism.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:50, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: We did it as kids...--Somchai Sun (talk) 11:14, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ketchup! 

message: Just putting this heading up in case the IP who has been removing the term "national dish" wants to engage in any discussion.  That's what numerous sources call it, and the term "nation" has many meanings.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:48, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with the vandal on that particular point, it's just plain incorrect to refer to Cornwall as a nation, it is also non-neutral which is against policy. I'm tired of this article being used to push Cornish nationalist viewpoints, this is unacceptable on Wikipedia. I have clarified in the text that Cornish nationalists refer to it as the national dish, which is a verifiable fact, but I'm still not happy with this text and may revisit it later... —David Johnson (T|C) 13:10, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to have a very certain opinion on the meanings of the words "nation" and "country" - neither of which necessarily equate to "sovereign state" - and also to be certain about the motives of those writers of the sources referenced in the article which unequivocally refer to the pasty as Cornwall's "national dish".  Unless you can come up with reliable sources that explicitly state that the pasty is not a national dish, your opinions may not carry as much weight as you hope.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:42, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
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message: I recently saw a printed ad for apple pie and pumpkin "pusties" from Caruso's bakery in Utica, NY. I'm from MI originally, where pasties (versus pusties) are well known meat pies of upstate tourism.  In Wikipedia, "Pusty" redirects you to Pasticiotto (pastry),https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasticciotto while the Wikipedia Pasty article says, "Despite the modern pasty's strong association with Cornwall (U.K.), its exact origins are unclear."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasty  I'm betting that the folks of Cornwall, England may have also used/modified the pasticiotti pastry for a meat pie versus a fruit pie (pusty).  Abbreviating it as "pasti" would explain the name "pasties" (pronounced with a short A) that we've always known them by in Michigan--an even closer cognate than the "pusties" of Utica, NY.  (There is also a plural form, "pasticiotti".)
— Juliekadams (talk) 23:23, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The origin of pasties (in addition to pusties) may originally be from the pasticiotto pastry of Italy 

message: In the picture at our Joan of Kent article, she’s holding what looks like a Cornish pasty. Is that what it is? Overlordnat1 (talk) 23:36, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joan of Kent