Talk:Keira Knightley/Archive 1

message: "who reportedly attempted suicide after their relationship ended, although Synnott denies these claims" about del synott: if that's true it really needs a source. removed the barnaby comment again. Is there anything to do about whoever is adding that?
Amo 23:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Edit: ok i found a source, can someone add it http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/knightley.s%20ex%20denies%20suicide%20attempt
Amo 23:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Barnaby and suicide

message: The article states:
:Keira has dyslexia
There was an article in May 2004 (This is London) which brings a new twist to Keira's claim to dyslexia: her school apparently has neither records nor recollection of any such problem. --Phil | Talk 08:50, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
:I take it you mean her secondary school?  I went there a couple of years before she did and from what I remember of their SEN (special educational needs) department I'm somewhat unsurprised.  SEN records from that time were mostly on paper and only in recent years have they been computerised, if she wasn't statemented (officially marked as "special") they'd probably have little or no record as the paper would have been discarded (Data Protection Act).   Xmp 00:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Somewhere on the Collecter's Edition of the Pirates of the Caribbean DVD, I think her and Jack Davenport's commentary, while talking about a line she was having trouble with, she says "not just me being dyslexic". --Peng 10:46, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, wait. Um, nevermind, I think.... --Peng 22:11, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dyslexia?

message: I don't like the magazine photo. It doesn't show how beautiful she is in my opinion. Does anyone have a better one? CalJW 08:51, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I really like it.  ナイトスタリオン ✉ 20:14, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I miss the Elle photo! --Viriditas 14:46, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Unflattering photo

message: Don't think this should be in Keira's filmography since she was only approached for the film and never signed up.  Agree she has talked about being approached for the film back in 2003 but the most latest news on the film doesn't mention her: imdb, Yahoo Movies - states "in talks", JP4 dedicated fansite. In fact the film is only now entering pre-production with the possibility it won't be released until at least 2007 or even later. --PTSE 01:56, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it from the filmography (really, anything under that section should absolutely be 100% fact (in other words, she's signed up, and filming has begun or is imminent)). I inserted a minor blurb in her career about it, using the killermovies.com link as a source. I'll confess to not being particularly thrilled with that as a source either (noting again that it's from 2003, surely we would have heard more by now if it was going to happen). —Locke Cole • t • c 02:22, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I've left a message for the user who added the entry --PTSE 21:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jurassic Park 4 

message: Maybe it should be discussed AGAIN?  Personally, I think the magazine cover is fair use and is a better picture than the Jacket screenshot, though I'm not opposed to just using a different picture all together.  We have been going through a few too many pictures though I think. AriGold 17:58, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture issues, again

message: Interesting photo of Keira for the new cover of Vanity Fair magazine.  An article appears on MSNBC (with the magazine cover today) about her and several other acresses posing nude for the issue. --StuffOfInterest 18:34, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vanity Fair cover 

message: Actually, Trivia sections are encyclopedic. We used to have a lot more of them, but most have been deleted, and eventually we won't have any. It's certianly irrelevant that she can play music with her teeth, or whatever. JackO'Lantern 04:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What does it mean anyway?  Does she pick a guitar with one of her canines or is this some sort of whistling thing?  It would be an interesting fact maybe if it made more sense.  Dismas|(talk) 04:16, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: What part of this edit was in accordance with what part of the Manual of Style? Personally, I think the order it uses (oldest first) makes sense, as it's the same order as an article as a whole. However, using row spans eliminates redundant information (repeated years) and, I think, makes the table more readable. Mairi 17:28, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography table 

message: Can someone explain the point of having her name as it's spelled in other languages?  This really confuses me as to why this one person's article needs this info.  Dismas|(talk) 20:53, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her name in other languages 

message: This article is really close. It just needs a better introduction per WP:LEAD. I'm not failing it because it's that close, but someone needs to write a broader introduction. I also helped out by adding a biography infobox. -  20:06, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about the intro I just added? Mad Jack O'Lantern 20:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Yep, that'll do. Try to continue improving the intro to three paragraphs and whatnot as per the WP:LEAD guide. - Phorque 05:28, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article 

message: Is it just me, or did this news tidbit get its info directly from here? (I mean the bottom three paragraphs, near identical to ours). No complaints, though. :) Mad Jack O'Lantern 04:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hmm

message: Let's settle this now.
*I say she is English, (just like Ewan McGregor is Scotish and Tom Jones is Welsh). Bronks 29 April 2006
*Any person born/raised/etc. in London, England, who has not explicitly taken on other citizenship, is English. It doesn't matter who your ancestors were or were your grandmother came from. Mad Jack O'Lantern 18:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not British? It covers all>? --Robdurbar 22:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But it is not right. It's almost like saying Scandinavian. It's so wrong when you can say: Danish, or Swedish or Norwegian. Bronks 23:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. Or call a Canadian a "North American". Mad Jack O'Lantern 01:09, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact is the nationality of people who live in England is British and a large amount of people in England do not identify as English, which is often associated with far right racist groups. Arniep 23:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are talking the biggest load of rubbish I have ever had the misfortune to hear. When you say "far right racist groups", most people would think of the British National Party. In addition, your claim that a "large amount of people in England" don't indentify as English is simply incorrect, more and more now do and to say otherwise without evidence is utter claptrap!--Berks105 10:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: So in other words, you're saying we shouldn't call anyone "English", but why not go ahead and call people Irish, Scottish or Welsh, right? Mad Jack O'Lantern 23:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Irish Scottish and Welsh identity don't tend to have the racist connections that English does which puts off a lot of people with significant non English ancestry identifying as such. Arniep 00:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, of course, the infamous racist connections that "English" has. What is it with all these opinions of yours regarding people's identifications with ethnicity, nationality, etc.? They are completely unsubstantiated, irrelevant, and pointless to mention. And of course, some people can be very offended by a comment like the one you just made about the English. Mad Jack O'Lantern 05:07, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am one of the people who takes great offence at the "racist connections" of English. It is complete and utter rubish. Need I remind you that that it is the British National Party! --Berks105 10:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you both need to read WP:CIVIL. Many ethnic minorities do not wish to identify as English, i.e. Black British, British Jews, British Asian etc. If you don't like that that's fine. Arniep 14:06, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I must i have to disagree that "English" is ever a racist issue. In fact i think it is the phrase Anglo-Saxon, which although americans seem comfortable in using (eg in the acronym WASP) does hold BNP/NF connotations for me. Personally i hate these topics. My opinion is that it's best to be as specific as possible. Either we describe her as English, or make sure the aticle mentions that her brithplace is in England. The best thing to do to stop further arguments would be support it with a link to an interview where she refers to herself as English (even if we think that makes her a racist...) Amo 14:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I acknowledge that some people may not be aware of it, but racist groups have been associated with the English flag and expressions of Englishness. I quote from the talk page of English nationalism: "In fact ethnic minorities in England almost always refer to themselves as "British-", and "St George's Day and sporting victories are the only times that England's flag can be waved without accusations of racism.". A quote from  "In such circumstances, nationalism and patriotism are likely to be contested. To many English eyes the former has been appropriated by the far, racist right. For them, the cross of St George is truly a tainted symbol and they want no truck with it.". Arniep 14:16, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Racist groups have been associated with almost every flag. The person who needs to read the civility policy is the person who makes comments like "Irish Scottish and Welsh identity don't tend to have the racist connections that English", not the person who tells that person to shut up. Mad Jack O'Lantern 18:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, sorry I was absolutely correct in saying that the reason many ethnic minorities identify as British not English is the perceived racist connections that english identity have been suspected to have per the quotes I posted and the many further articles and discussions that can be found on the internet. If you think that it is ever acceptable to tell people to shut up if you disagree with them I suggest you do have a reread of the WP:CIVIL policy. Arniep 18:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Arniep your arrogance is amazing, you lecture someone about their conduct, and yet it is you who is telling people (offering ludicrus reasons) that not only does english nationality not exist but it is a racist identity.  the reason that ethnic minorities identify with british is much to do with the fact that england is not allowed a civic identity, however scotland has its own library, museum, governmental departments, newspapers, tv stations etc they are also allowed to called themselves scottish and fly their flag proudly and so they should. migrants are left in no doubt about what country they are in. newly arrived migrants into england are told they are british, every institution around them is british, how often are they aware they are even in england.  i do except your point about non white citizens often shying away from english identity and this is something we should work hard at changing, but it is not as absolute as you like to make out. what are these 'racist connections' you love to mention, the only 'racist' group of any kind is the vile bnp and you certainly wont find any references to england there, they are commited to the UK, hence BNP!  if you have a personal hatred and misguided view of england and its people that is your issue, but please stop these nonsenscial arguements. --Berks105 19:27, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry my reasons are not ludicrous as I set out above with quotes from this and other sites. I never said English identity doesn't exist for some people I am just saying it's blanket use is problematic as many people in England do not identify as English, but British. There are many articles and commentary that exist on the internet linking English nationalism with racism, it's quite easy to find through a search engine. Arniep 21:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: you could type nationalism into a search engine and it would come up with 'racism' for all sorts of nationality that is what is known as the downside of the internet. if you really think that your 2 quotes above validate your claim your much mistaken, i have seen the 'St George's Day and sporting victories are the only times that England's flag can be waved without accusations of racism' quote before and it is said on a cynical not factual basis bemoaning people like you. as for the other quote do you really imagine that substanciates your claim? it is not fact just an opinion. you are clutching at straws finding ways to continue your arguement. take at look at racist nationalism around the world, and then compare that to your supposed 'racist connections' in england, where are the racist attacks in the name of england, the organised racist political groups, where is the xenophobic media(england doesnt even have its own newspaper) and just where is the support for ethnic racism within the public? there is no comparison to some other areas of the world. have you by now realised why 'sporting events' are the only time you can wave an english flag, because you are not allowed to any other time. this is to protect the existence of britain more than anything else.  wales/scotland have never as a nation recognised themselves as britain(why should they?) so if the english people stop thinking of themselves as british the union ends. this opinion is now changing with scotland/wales/nireland all keen on self governance. if england is allowed a civic identity then arriving migrants will begin to see the english identity they can associate with, they cannot associate with something that is only allowed to exist in sporting events. perhaps we can agree to disagree, but you must appreciate that the sort of thing you have been saying about english identity would not be tolerated if it were another nationality, you might even be called racist!--86.3.115.169 00:03, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I've edited the article adding an interview where she refers to herself as English. In this interview , around about the 12th paragraph, it has some good stuff on her  her Englishness, but it doesn't contain direct quotes containing the word "English", so i thought it better not to link it as a souce. The article also interweaves the use of the term British, which is pretty realistic for anyone who comes from a country in the UK.Oh, and can someone archive part of this talk page - it's getting huge. Amo 00:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: English or British?