Talk:Ngāi Tahu

message: The Reed Dictionary tribal map has a-macrons for every "Ngati" but not for "Ngai". My page on the Maori WP says "Ngai"; maybe I can get someone from that iwi to take an interest and tell us what they prefer. Robin Patterson 20:11, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Jim Williams, the Ngāi Tahu specialist at Ōtago University, Kai is short, without a macron. So Ngāi Tahu or Kai Tahu, not Kāi Tahu. As for the Ngāi Tahu/Kai Tahu question, both have been used by people of the iwi. I understand that there were two waves of immigration by Ngāi Tahu. The first wave came without women, and married Kāti Māmoe and Waitaha women, whose children then spoke the k-dialect; the second wave brought women with them, and their children learned the ng forms. There are ng place names in the south, such as Rangiora in Canterbury, and the strange form Wangaloa on the east coast of South Otago. Koro Neil 21:29, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Macron on Ngai

message: Should the page not better be moved to Kāi Tahu? There is little use in using a Standard dialect title for the page containing most information on the Ngāi Tahu dialect... ;-) Dysmorodrepanis 14:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had also wondered about that. However, formally, it is still /Ng/ a lot (e.g. TRoNT, the url etc.). It probably doesn't make much odds. I certainly wouldn't object to it be Kāi Tahu with a redirect at Ngāi Tahu. --Limegreen 19:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep at Ngāi for 2 reasons: (1) that's what it is more commonly known as, (2) it is what the runanga has chosen for their name, and surely no-one is more authoritative then them. Accordingly, I think most usages of Kāi Tahu should change to Ngāi Tahu (one exception being the first sentence) - ok? Nurg 07:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Ngāi Tahu tribal group of much of the South Island, sometimes called Kai Tahu by the southern tribes.
No macron. He uses the same form in the glossary of Te Kakano, the first book of the series.
Koro Neil (talk) 04:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Ngāi Tahu or Kāi Tahu

message: One further issue. According to Jim Williams, Otago University's expert on the iwi, the Kai of Kai Tahu has a short a: Kai Tahu, not Kāi Tahu. I found this surprising, but John C. Moorfield in Te Aka, the dictionary for his Te Whanake series of books on the Māori language, gives the following entry for Ngāi Tahu:
:Ngāi Tahu tribal group of much of the South Island, sometimes called Kai Tahu by the southern tribes.
No macron. He uses the same form in the glossary of Te Kakano, the first book of the series.
Koro Neil (talk) 04:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Kāi Tahu or Kai Tahu

message: I remember I used to see the K in Kāi Tahu occasionally being written with what I assume was a macron below (ie., Ḵ).  What's the status on this spelling?  --73.231.253.68 (talk) 23:39, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Kāi Tahu or Ḵāi Tahu

message: "the last Upoko Ariki (paramount chief), Te Maiharanui". Is this correct? In the late 1970s and early 80s Riki Ellison was often referred to the paramount chief. See for example . Nurg 10:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last paramount chief 

message: Ngai Tahu are the only iwi in :Category:Ethnic groups in New Zealand. Can Ngai Tahu really be considered an ethnicity? If so, surely :Category:Iwi and hapu should be a subcat of Ethnic groups in NZ? Or am I missing something here? --Helenalex (talk) 05:02, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic groups 

message: From the early 1800s Ngai Tahu frequently traded with and worked for Pakeha, especially whalers, who bought a new kind of wealth -advanced technology. By the 1840s many Ngai Tahu women -some reports say as many as 74%, had married Pakeha. Intially pakeha shared the same coastal environment as Ngai Tahu but when Ngai Tahu sold large areas of land to buy muskets,Pakeha moved onto the Canterbury plains which was virtually uninhabited by Maori due to its lack of water and the foodsin the normal Maori  diet.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.62.226.243 (talk) 04:46, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intermarriage with Pakeha 

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replies: text: Thanks! Schwede66 18:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
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message: The  section could be worked up with additional background (not so easy to do from Berlin) and referencing.  Below are possible sources.
* Tau (2017) on Ngāi Tahu water rights
  Landing page.
* Harris (2015) on co‑management
Kia ora! RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 10:55, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  2021 South Island rivers claim