Talk:JONAH

message: It attracts a variety of Jews with same same-sex attractions, including those who want to leave the gay lifestyle, and those who are already married.
This seems somewhat non-NPOV to me. Being gay is not a "lifestyle", since it is not a choice, and it encompasses more than certain customes. A lifestyle is favoring certain restaurants, or drinks, or neighborhoods, etc., depending on how big your paycheck is.
Most "ex-gay"ist proponents do recognize that gays cannot control nor choose their homosexual thoughts and drives, and they try to teach you to sublimate and not act on them through faith and whatnot. I'm not that familiar with the techniques, so I may be mistaking something. Anyway, I thought I should bring this up here instead of making a change without consensus, since this is a complicated topic.
I propose something like:
It attracts a variety of Jews with same-sex attractions, including those who are engaging themselves in homosexual activities but want to lead a heterosexual life, and those who are already in a heterosexual relationship and/or marriage. ("already married." is confusing, since gay marriage is legal in a number of places).
If there are no objections, I will make the change. --W2bh (talk) 14:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds fine to me. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 18:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lifestyle? 

message: JONAH does not teach hatred towards homosexuals.
This seems slightly non-NPOV, like something copied from promotional literature. By even raising the issue, it seems to imply that other ex-gay groups do teach hatred, something that all(?) of them would deny. Also, it is debatable whether it is possible to hate the sin while loving the sinner. Some gay advocates argue that "hating the sin" contributes to a hostile climate toward the "sinners." Peter Chastain (talk) 19:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that quoting a JONAH statement to the effect that they do not teach hatred would be better NPOV. I have searched the JONAH web site and could not find such a statement, but I also could not find any evidence of hatred toward gay people. The real debate here is whether reparative therapy is helpful or harmful. The question of hatred toward homosexuals does not come up, and I suggest that we remove it from our article. Peter Chastain (talk) 20:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have revised the paragraph, hopefully sidestepping the question of whether JONAH promotes antipathy toward gays. Peter Chastain (talk) 22:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Teaching Hatred 

message: The quote at the top of the article uses [and] instead of ellipses ... which is confusing and not in the wiki style manual.
Anyone object if I change them?Rgbutler (talk) 15:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  U r free to make things better--Halqh حَلَقَة הלכהሐላቃህ (talk) 16:37, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Unless we know which is correct, I would be hesitant to change either to match the other. (The citation given for conversion therapy actually doesn't say what kind of therapy is used.) This article could use more citations in general, for that matter... — Shmuel (talk) 16:19, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I did a bit more digging around... as far as I can tell, the reason why many of the citations don't seem to fit is that the person who inserted them meant to link to the Truth Wins Out site but accidentally pasted in JONAH's URL instead. I'm going in and fixing that now, plus adding a few more citations. I agree that this article could use more citations in general, from more sources. — Shmuel (talk) 01:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style 

message: This statement form the introduction "Focusing specifically on Orthodox Jews who identify themselves as homosexuals" is contradicted by the history section and is not supported by any material on Jonah's website or elsewhere I've seen. "JONAH operates within the weltanschauung of Orthodox Judaism and focuses primarily on Jews who identify themselves as homosexuals or have same-sex attractions. JONAH offers various conversion therapy techniques that attempt to change homosexuals into heterosexuals." would read better don't you think?Rgbutler (talk) 18:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content 

message: References 2 and 3 are the same, they should be merged. What does "Remit" in ref 3 mean?Rgbutler (talk) 16:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: The statement in the controversy section "implicitly withdrew her support from JONAH itself." is an editorial, nonNPOV and needs to be removed. A full quote from Dr. Respler would read better.Rgbutler (talk) 01:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: Please would someone who understands the opening paragraph replace the word "weltanschauung" ?   It may be fine for the German WP but I (and I think most English-speaking people) have no idea what it means. Darkman101 (talk) 05:09, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, this is not the Simple English encyclopedia, to be honest. --Phagopsych (talk) 10:49, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Worldview is bland and Kuhn's idea of a paradigm is obscure if accurate. I think weltanschauung is most acurate, but I'm fine with paradigm as long as it is linked.Rgbutler (talk) 15:54, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "weltanschauung"  !  Wha-a-aaat ? 

message: OMG never knew there was such a thing. You get a sex change and then wanna GO BACK!!! Hilarious! Anyway I watched the video--didn't see anything about JONAH--did I miss something?
:With the help of JONAH, Judy Kirchner transitioned back to becoming a man. He is a non-practising Jew but is held up as a poster child for gender transformation by Christian ex-trans organizations including Reality Resources, Help4Families, and RAF-T.  He operated the controversial helpmereversemysexchange.org and was a contributing writer for Jerry Leach. After a year, Josef found he didn't square with the pro-binary ideas after all, coming to believe male and female are not exclusive categories. For one, he was still attracted to men. He now identifies as a gay man. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26392358/26470734
– Lionel (talk) 04:07, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Show respect for living people. Yes, JONAH is mentioned in a video called "Josef's challenges", at about 3:25. I stopped watching at that point. I'm not sure about the self-published website, but the MSNBC video is probably a reliable source.   Will Beback  talk   06:06, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ex-ex-transexuals

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Someone add this tag to the article - . Anyone have any idea what it does? Should it be kept? --FeldBum (talk) 21:20, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, I figured it out. That's an interesting/cool shortcut. --FeldBum (talk) 21:24, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I took it out because it's not related to this topic. It's about sex addiction. —PermStrump(talk) 03:42, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The three biggest S-fellowships" 

message: There's a huge overlap in content between the history and controversy section to the point that I can't see a difference between the two. The controversy section is just retelling the content of the history section. W
Where's the "controversy" part in the controversy section? Nakonana (talk) 20:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section and Controversy section content