Talk:Literary modernism

message: I agree - the writing style and, more generally, the organisation of the article is shambolic. What is more, and potentially what is more damaging, is that bold and mis-informed claims are made throughout as to the nature of literary modernism. Saying things like 'Modernist literature is defined by its move away from Romanticism' is overstating the case by some way. Certainly, writers like Virginia Woolf expressed a desire to move away from Victorian literary tendencies, but intent is not always equal to result. 
There needs to be more acceptance of literary modernism (and here I'm thinking mainly of the big guns: Joyce, Woolf, Stein, Eliot, Pound and perhaps even Conrad and Kipling) as being not a single entity working in harmony, but rather as a group of writers who share 'family resemblances', if not one homogenous purpose. Conroy23 (talk) 14:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc

message: This article lacks the coverage of writers of the size of Ruben Dario,Juan Ramón Jimenez,Pablo Neruda,Cernuda,the generation of the boom of latinamerican literature....so its pretty US/Europe centric,also i think the term modernism here should make more reference to the modernist movement understood as the blend and of romanticism,parnasianism;the revaloration of the art for the artthat fall out favor with the arrive of realism and naturalist movements,instead of the writers of the 20th century,that are not joint by any way you look at them:Hemingway wass a realist;joyce,Virginia Wolf,Faulkner were vanguardist,and so on--Andres rojas22 16:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  worldwide view 

message: I've heard Modernism more often contrasted with Realism than with Romanticism, but generally this contrast is drawn in terms of a 20th Century identification of "mimesis" with "verisimilitude."  Aristotle's use of "mimesis" was much more nuanced.  The "stream of consciousness" found Joyce's Ulysses or Virginia Woolf's To the Lighthouse is a form of psychological realism; perhaps the contrast has more to do with changes in the Enlightenment values that underlie Realism: that the Universe can be subjected to exaustive rational analysis.  Beginning with the mystery novel as a genre, in Poe or Wilkie Collins's Moonstone for example, one finds the convergence of a literary movement wherein facts are deliberately witheld from the reader with Freudian analysis, which popularized the notion that we are not aware of all that is in our consciousness.
Dadaism as a force in Modernism was significant, as was Surrealism (which began as a literary movement centered on automatic writing -- there was actually a debate in early Surrealism as to whether Surrealist painting would even be possible).  Many early Surrealist writers found inspiration in Isidore Ducasse (le Comte de Lautréamont).
The shift from a Kantian "art for art's sake" to a more object-status-oriented approach to artistic production was important but gradual, and never really a completed project on the part of critics; Clement Greenberg's popularization of medium specificity was important in this process; as was a shift from artwork understood in terms of traditional conventions (a painting is a framed image hanging on a wall) to artwork understood in terms of the literary/critical statement it produced (how does painting become sculptural, philosophical, or a record of an artist's actions).  Kurt Schwitters offered an interesting demonstration that "logically consistent poetry" consists of arbitrary letters juxtaposed one against the other, on the basis that the signification of words is not unequivocal (the word "tree" might invoke a poplar for one person and a maple for another);  equivocality and polyphony became stylistic considerations along this line of reasoning.  Much of Modernism's effects can be characterized by an interest in novelty (what is new is good, what is old is smelly), and the self-conscious rejection of traditional approaches to aesthetic problemsolving.
The beginnings of Modernism can be pushed back to the mid-1800's, yet the 1910's and 1920's saw Cubism, Futurism, Dadaism, Surrealism, and other smaller -isms all wrestling with similar sorts of aesthetic problems, which often involved industrial urbanization, fragmented [consumer] landscapes, and other sorts of themes mentioned in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lulabell petunia (talk • contribs) 01:02, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for Article Improvement 

message: I'm removing the "Incredulity towards Metanarratives" listed in traits, as it firstly contradicts one of the other listed traits, I.E.  "use of classical allusions"; secondly, this is contradicted by many of the Modernist works listed in this article, such as The Waste Land, Ulysses and The Sound and the Fury, among others; thirdly skepticism towards meta-narratives is a trait found more often in Post-Modernism, and, although related, the two they have very different approaches to the issue of meta-narrative. --75.139.37.215 (talk) 22:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incredulity towards Metanarratives 

message: Ulysses is certainly a major, early work of modernism, but the first?
The discussion of modernism, and related topics, on Wikipedia leaves me feeling very gloomy about the whole Wikipedia project, especially as it relates to literature and the arts. But perhaps the cross-section I've viewed recently is an anomaly? Rwood128 (talk) 14:18, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ulysses and the start of modernism! 

message: This section is redundant and I plan to delete it -- unless anyone objects. Rwood128 (talk) 11:40, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characteristics of Modernity/Modernism   

message: There are a number of writers listed who surely aren't normally considered modernists: Frost, Steinbeck, etc, etc. Shouldn't they be removed? Rwood128 (talk) 11:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modernist writers list 

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message: Is Nietzsche really part of modernism? He is quoted as major force behind post-modernism. "Heidegger shares an affinity with the late Romantic philosopher, Friedrich Nietzsche, another principal forerunner of post-structuralist and postmodernist thought." Good read on why he is postmodern https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/postmodernism/Sourcerery (talk) 17:21, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Friedrich Nietzsche 

message: I felt article Islamic_literature is in bit of neglect so I added my note on talk page there, requesting to take note of Talk:Islamic_literature#Article_review. If possible requesting copy edit support. Suggestions for suitable reference sources at  Talk:Islamic_literature is also welcome. 
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Bookku (talk) 07:26, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Requesting wider attention

message: Even with suggestions that this is US/Europe centric, omitting Hemingway from literary modernism is pretty glaring.  Call him "late modern" if necessary, but include him we must.  All of his most important work was published after the Great War that demolished so much, including many people's faith in institutions, idealism, and ideas of right and wrong, etc, etc.  He rolled with Gertrude Stein and all the others in post-war Paris.  It doesn't get more modern than that. Friarbax (talk) 19:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ernest Hemingway