Talk:AGM-158 JASSM

message: Very interesting. I was discussing the frequent serious unreliability of Wikipedia in an academic discussion group. Several participants opined that this was largely due to cabals that guarded the falsehoods and single points of view for ideological reasons. The same day I find that the JASSM page is full of serious inaccuracies, giving a highly distorted impression of the program. So I inserted the statement from the Selected Acquisition Report, which certainly was sourced and not original research. And sure enough, practically instantly the page was reverted to preserve its falsehoods and single point of view intact. 
Will O'Neil (talk) 04:06, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would someone with "education in mathematics, engineering, and applied economics" think that merely dumping text into an article on WP would not be instantly reverted? No attempt was made to edit or summarize the information in any way to suit WP's Style Guide (WP:MOS), or to fit into the article's existing structure, such as it is. Any student doing such with a term paper would instantly receive a failing grade for such a stunt, while the response of any professional organization receiving such a submission should be justifiably harsh. Why would you think WP would accept such shoddy content submission? While I doubt such an esteemed scholar as yourself has the time to edit and improve a single article on a missile, surely you can do better than dumping in unedited text! - BilCat (talk) 09:47, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He could at the very least text dump the Talk section and leave it to others to sift through it and cross reference with the existing WP article. Zhanjack822 (talk) 19:20, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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message: According the link, quotation on note 19 is from Joseph Breen (Business Development Director of Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control department) - not from some Finnish senior official  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.30.132.139 (talk) 13:25, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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message: The current listed source for the 575 mile range of the AGM-158B is a GAO report (https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-13-294sp.pdf#page=87). However, upon skimming through the section on the report for the JASSM-ER, it only says the range is, "greater than 500 miles." I'm guessing whomever originally wrote the 575 mile figure assumed that the GAO report meant "500 nautical miles," which when converted to the nearest whole number in miles, would be 575. However, the GAO report in other areas wrote "nautical miles" explicitly, so I don't think we can assume the range for the JASSM-ER is also in nautical miles since it wasn't explicit. Perhaps I just misread the section and am missing something. Can someone else double check and confirm? We may need to do a slight edit if this was in fact done erroneously. Zhanjack822 (talk) 19:26, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I did some search on this, and there are plenty of official documents that explicitly says "500 nautical miles", actually (for example: https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Selected_Acquisition_Reports/FY_2019_SARS/20-F-0568_DOC_46_JASSM_SAR_Dec_2019_Full.pdf, https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/110659/jassm-er-nears-operational-employment/).  We don't know which one was the original wording, i.e. whether it was someone in the government interpreted "miles" as "nautical miles" or vice versa that led to two different specifications to coexist in the documents, but it probably doesn't matter, as the true range would most probably be way longer than 500 whatever that they are comfortable with declassifying as a lower bound. Licjar Xeymelloz (talk) 10:21, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  AGM-158B JASSM-ER Range