Talk:Ernst Krenek

message: Are the cigarettes relevant, and is it known that they were named after the opera? - Ar 18:28, 2005 Jun 11 (UTC)
I think the cigarettes are relevant- it's an interesting tidbit of information that demonstrates his popularity. Could we get a picture? (Of him, not the cigarettes)  Splat 02:07, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cigarettes

message: I added a picture. Splat 06:21, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: Hello, the following bit is problematic. Since it has been restored after my removal, I am raising it here:
 On March 6, one day after the Nazis gained control of the Reichstag, Krenek's incidental music to 
 Goethe's Triumph der Empsindsamkeit had to be withdrawn 
What is "gained control of the Reichstag" supposed to mean?
Jerome says they became the "controlling force of government" but that isn't actually true.
What actually happened on March 5 is that there were elections to the Reichstag. The NSDAP won 44% of the seats - hence they did not win a majority. Hitler had been already appointed Chancellor on January 30 and the Fire Decree had suspended civic rights on February 28. Also, the Reichstag elected on March 5 first met on March 21 so actually the 44% went effective only then. 
The other question is how this is relevant to Ernst Krenek? Did the Nazi government or someone else wait until after the elections before withdrawing the musich? Who actually was responsible for that? What is the actual link to the election?
If you cannot answer these, you shouldn't say it is "very relevant"! Right now it is just hot air. Str1977 (talk) 07:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "one day after the Nazis gained control of the Reichstag"

message: Just as a heads up, in adding more detailed sourcing about the Ray Lev recording, I discovered that the album contains a nice little essay by Krenek himself about the sonata and his completion.  I'll try to incorporate some extracts or a summary into the Wikipedia article about the sonata, which strikes me as the appropriate place for them/it.  Should this article incorporate some of that material as well? Drhoehl (talk) 18:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe your concern about "atonality" vs "12-tone" is justified, though it depends a bit on where we are drawing the lines, chronologically. Even if "popular usage" tends to confuse these two terms, experienced writers usually make a sharp distinction, and encyclopedia articles ought to help readers understand these things, not amplify their confusion. I'm not familiar with Krenek's earliest compositions (prior to op. 6), which may or may not be "late romantic", but certainly during the time he was studying with Schreker he began writing atonal (but not twelve-tone) music. Krenek's First String Quartet is a prime example of this style, with clear influence of Bartók, amongst others. This does not entirely exclude elements of the romantic musical language, of course. The "Schubert thing" came afterward, in the 1920s (rather than the 1930s, as stated, though there maqy be some overlap into the following period), and was followed by his adoption of twelve-tone technique in the early 1930s. I'll have to dig into this a little deeper, but the bulleted list will certainly need revising, preferably with some dates indicating the rough limits of each "style period".—Jerome Kohl (talk) 22:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the clarification, and I couldn't agree more about precise usage in the service of the reader; that's why I preserved "atonal" as a distinct term in the "12-tone" bullet, even though I had (apparently unfounded) suspicions that someone originally had confused the two.  In fact, when I broke the style section into bullets I had a hunch that some of the dates were going to prove shaky and that the whole thing might turn out to need an overhaul, something obscured by its original format.  I will look forward to your prospective corrections and what they'll teach me, since my familiarity with this composer (as you'll doubtless have guessed by now) centers almost exclusively around his Schubert sonata completion.Drhoehl (talk) 23:38, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Schubert Completion 

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replies: text: Oddly enough, the same image has drawn no copyright challenge at the Degenerate Art exhibit article, where it also appears; perhaps the appropriate documentation is available there (I have no experience whatever in documenting photographs).  That said, I don't think the picture  particularly enhances Krenek's article, even with the caption that I tacked on a few days ago tying it to the subject at hand, and I'd welcome its replacement with a photo of the composer or even of a scene from one of his operas.  Just not one of those placeholder image things, please! Drhoehl (talk) 20:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:EntarteteKunst.jpg

message: for example there is no mention of the famous LAMENTATIONS, and the beginning hexachordal rotationshttp://composerslog.blogspot.com/2011/09/stravinsky-verticals.html.  What about discussion of the other operas such as THE BELL TOWER (I see there is a short wiki entry on the Melville opera), the eight string quartets, five symphonies, seven piano sonatas one of which was championed by Glenn Gould.  I would add if I had all of the data...
Hstokar (talk) 23:12, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Much missing

message: Geni.com strongly suggests that his middle name was Heinrich; I don't know how reliable we believe that site is, of course, but it may be worth double-checking elsewhere. Schissel | Sound the Note! 13:25, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hauptname: Krenek, Ernst; Geburtsname: Křenek, Ernst Heinrich (from LexM) Grimes2 (talk) 16:54, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ernst Heinrich Krenek 

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message: I've just undone a good-faith move of the page from Ernst Krenek to Ernst Křenek . The fact is that he was born Křenek but changed it to Krenek when he moved to the USA. , , . 
I'm very surprised this issue hasn't cropped up before, or that some mention of it hasn't made it into the article. I'll rectify that now.--  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 16:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling of his surname: Krenek, not Křenek

message: but they are mentioned here (weren't they published ?)  
I only find a translation (into German) . 178.203.113.19 (talk) 13:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  he wrote his memoirs (in English)