Talk:Mars Inc.

message: No need for this split gidonb (talk) 00:52, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Closing, given the uncontested objection and no support. Klbrain (talk) 16:24, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Mars Nederland]] into [[Mars, Incorporated]] 

message: I know that there was a time when the company was called M&M/Mars.  [It was on the back of the labels of all of the company's products.]  There is no mention of this in the article.2604:2D80:6881:7600:19E0:D29C:9BE:A357 (talk) 07:56, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this press release, M&M/Mars is a division of Mars, Incorporated (or at least it was as recently as 2000). Insofar as the candy bars were long (still?) identified in marketing as products of "M&M/Mars", I'd expect it to be mentioned. But a quick search doesn't identify any information I could add that's more specific than what I just wrote here. Largoplazo (talk) 11:55, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like a reasonable thing to add with that source. Doesn't need more than a sentence.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: M&M/Mars

message: When did Mars complete its acquistion of Banfield Pet Hospital, if ever? Acwilson9 (talk) 05:56, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: See details and sources at Banfield Pet Hospital. Maybe some of that should be summarized better here.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:42, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did Mars complete its acquistion of Banfield? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 00:46, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Mars, Incorporated →  – WP:COMMONNAME (the "Inc." rendering is much more common than the longwinded "Incorporated" one ), WP:CONCISE, and WP:CONSISTENT (with most other articles that need this corporate designator for disambiguation reasons, e.g. Apple Inc., Adobe Inc., Time Inc., Canon Inc., Caterpillar Inc., Snap Inc., Panic Inc., etc.).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:36, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

text: I thought we would generally look at sources (and self-styling) to determine whether to include a comma or not, although I see the argument for not including it by default (e.g. per MOS:JR). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

text: WP:NCCORP has the following to say about abbreviating and commas:  I would say there's a case to be made to follow common usage rather than the company's own preference, but far-reaching changes should probably be discussed elsewhere than a RM for a single example. BegbertBiggs (talk) 21:57, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: [Weak] Oppose: BegbertBiggs points out that the proposal is contrary to a naming convention guideline. Moreover, this article is cited explicitly as an example in that guideline, so this seems to amount to a proposal to change the guideline. But this discussion is not couched in terms of a proposal to change a guideline. As BegbertBiggs says, "far-reaching changes should probably be discussed elsewhere than a RM for a single example". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:05, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Added "[Weak]" above. Maybe the guideline should be changed. I'm generally not a big fan of deferring to self-published material, and only expressed opposition based on the idea that we should follow our guidelines. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Why would that be preferred over the current title, considering WP:NATURAL? —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:NCCORP. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The only example I notice there of not using WP:NATURAL disambiguation is Kashi (company). There is no explanation provided for why that one uses "(company)" rather than "LLC", but I suspect it might be because Kashi is a subsidiary and there is no separate article about the brand. I don't find any RM discussion about that subject that could provide further information about its choice of title. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:11, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 3 December 2023 

message: This lists of brands/products near the bottom of the article were full of unsourced claims of non-notable things. We have neither articles on those things with sources, nor one or more sources cited in this article naming them as existing or formerly existing Mars products, so they don't belong in Wikipedia. Any random drive-by user could be adding things to those lists that either are not Mars products or which are joke edits about things that never existed at all.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:50, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed unsourced claims about product lines 

message: Noticed this candy was missing from the article. It's not in the original list nor the discontinued list. This was my father's favorite candy bar which I remember from back in the 50s. Mars included it in their assorted 5 (6?) bar package. It was not produced for a time then brought back, first as Milky Way Dark and then as Milky Way Midnight. I believe they even had a version with nuts (yellow/orange wrapper??) back in the 70s. I suspect that is the possible reason it is absent, but that particular 'configuration' - dark chocolate, vanilla nougat and caramel - started life as Forever Yours as far as I remember. 69.57.43.32 (talk) 20:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forever Yours bar 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Dantus21 (talk) 03:50, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Mars Inc. →  – This is a request to overturn the previous RM that was closed several weeks ago, per this discussion. WP:NCCORP explicitly states:  Contrary to popular belief, WP:COMMONNAME is not the only criterion we consider when deciding an article's name; WP:NATURAL states that when the most common name of a subject is ambiguous (emphasis added): 
By definition, natural disambiguation disregards the most common name, so in the case of proper names, we fall back to the official name. For titles of works, we use the subtitle even if it commonly omitted in sources; for companies, we use the official legal suffix. "Mars Inc.", however, is a made-up name using a made-up legal suffix (directly contravening NATURAL) masquerading as the company's official name. We can make things up if it's a common noun or descriptor, but we're now asserting that "Inc." (note the capitalization) is part of the company's name, which is false. There is no such company called "Mars Inc.", or "Mars, Inc.", or "Mars Incorporated". MOS:TM instructs us to modify trademarks that are stylized in a way that breaches our MoS; corporate legal suffixes do not, and none of our PAGs give editors free rein to arbitrarily modify a trademarked name without reason. WP:CONCISE discusses truncating excessively long names, not altering punctuation and inventing abbreviations. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

text: <sigh> At Google Ngrams, in Google's corpus of books in English, "Mars Inc." > "Mars Incorporated". https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Mars+Inc.%2CMars+Incorporated&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Largoplazo (talk • contribs) 02:17, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 31 December 2023