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== No edit summary for preloaded filing of an amendment request ==
I created an amendment request through this link: [ Click here to file a request for amendment] of an arbitration decision or procedure (including an arbitration enforcement action issued by an administrator, such as a contentious topics restriction). When I filed the clarification request, there was no edit summary (and no option for me to add an edit summary). Can support for an edit summary be added? Thank you. Cunard (talk) 07:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I admit I haven't the foggiest why you can't add an edit summary, so I defer to those who know the technical reasons. But if it is a headache to allow a summary, is there any downside to just doing a dummy edit immediately after for the summary? CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 07:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The preload includes &nosummary=yes which prevents an edit summary being added. It was added by  in 2015. If I had to guess, the point is to avoid editorialising in an edit summary. Primefac (talk) 07:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel like at a minimum we should be using a preloaded summary then, even if it is as simple as "Adding request." CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 07:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you both for looking into this. I hope that there is an easy way to add the edit summary by changing the text "&nosummary=yes" to a preloaded summary. Regarding adding a dummy edit afterwards, that's a good idea. The instructions say to add a notification link afterwards, which I did here so that has the same effect as a dummy edit. Cunard (talk) 07:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

text: I don't think you can add an edit summary when creating a new section. As per , the section title is used as the edit summary. Since the preloaded template adds the section title, when the "Subject" edit box is displayed (which occurs when the nosummary parameter is removed), I believe if the editor enters in a subject, two titles will get added. isaacl (talk) 18:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Until you have made 500 edits, you are not allowed to edit in the Arab–Israeli conflict topic area. The only exception to this is for you to be able to make constructive edit requests, but participating in other discussions is not allowed. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 16:23, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: "but participating in other discussions is not allowed" Ok this was the one I wasn't sure of mainly, so there had/have been several entries by <500 entry users on the post and remain. I'm not bothered by that but is my understanding the comments are allowed so long as they're (in the opinion of 500> entry users) contributing to the conversation? And in turn those 500> entry users can then delete the comments they deem less constructive? Galdrack (talk) 17:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: While the rule is to not allow these comments, removing them may be an issue if another editor has already replied as removing the comment then removes the context that surrounded it. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 18:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok that's fair, thanks! Galdrack (talk) 19:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noticeboard 

message: I created an amendment request through this link: [ Click here to file a request for amendment] of an arbitration decision or procedure (including an arbitration enforcement action issued by an administrator, such as a contentious topics restriction). When I filed the clarification request, there was no edit summary (and no option for me to add an edit summary). Can support for an edit summary be added? Thank you. Cunard (talk) 07:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I admit I haven't the foggiest why you can't add an edit summary, so I defer to those who know the technical reasons. But if it is a headache to allow a summary, is there any downside to just doing a dummy edit immediately after for the summary? CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 07:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The preload includes &nosummary=yes which prevents an edit summary being added. It was added by  in 2015. If I had to guess, the point is to avoid editorialising in an edit summary. Primefac (talk) 07:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel like at a minimum we should be using a preloaded summary then, even if it is as simple as "Adding request." CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 07:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you both for looking into this. I hope that there is an easy way to add the edit summary by changing the text "&nosummary=yes" to a preloaded summary. Regarding adding a dummy edit afterwards, that's a good idea. The instructions say to add a notification link afterwards, which I did here so that has the same effect as a dummy edit. Cunard (talk) 07:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

text: I don't think you can add an edit summary when creating a new section. As per , the section title is used as the edit summary. Since the preloaded template adds the section title, when the "Subject" edit box is displayed (which occurs when the nosummary parameter is removed), I believe if the editor enters in a subject, two titles will get added. isaacl (talk) 18:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  No edit summary for preloaded filing of an amendment request 

message: Hi I'm having a hard time understanding the rules for wikipedia and find it difficult to understand the articles on it.
Recently I was discussing points on a talk thread and the posts were reverted with the following comment "Reverted 1 edit by Galdrack (talk): Per WP:ARBECR". I think it's because the posts were deemed to be non-constructive but the implication is with the status of my account I can only make suggested edits and can't contribute to the discussion itself? The rational I was given was rather poor so I'm still confused as to the rules/reasoning. Galdrack (talk) 14:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Until you have made 500 edits, you are not allowed to edit in the Arab–Israeli conflict topic area. The only exception to this is for you to be able to make constructive edit requests, but participating in other discussions is not allowed. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 16:23, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: "but participating in other discussions is not allowed" Ok this was the one I wasn't sure of mainly, so there had/have been several entries by <500 entry users on the post and remain. I'm not bothered by that but is my understanding the comments are allowed so long as they're (in the opinion of 500> entry users) contributing to the conversation? And in turn those 500> entry users can then delete the comments they deem less constructive? Galdrack (talk) 17:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: While the rule is to not allow these comments, removing them may be an issue if another editor has already replied as removing the comment then removes the context that surrounded it. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 18:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok that's fair, thanks! Galdrack (talk) 19:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsure as to revert