Talk:Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization

message: The intro says 53. The list contains 56. I count 54 on the UNPO website. Anyone know what's right? --195.11.216.59 14:32, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Early comments

message: How come they chose director-generals (Erzherzog Karl von Habsburg and now Marino Busdachin) who are from none of the participating ethnies? De mortuis... 02:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And why not? In fact that's their current policy. The UNPO General Secretary (oddly they do not say "Secretary-General") is supposed to be neutral. Besides, the GS is only the leading manager of the organization, a bureaucrat. The political leader of the UNPO is supposed to be the President of the General Assembly, currently Ledum Mitee from the Ogoni. The article should mention this difference. If you are still wondering who is Marino Busdachin and why he is the current manager of UNPO, google the Transnational Radical Party. Tnapoleao 12:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Director-generals

message: Hello, I removed the link for forum as there isn't currently an article for that usage of forum (and, imo, it would only be a dictionary definition if such a page were created). Politepunk 16:20, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed link (forum)

message: Parts of the article reads like an ad not an encyclopedia article. I've edited the opening but I think further edits are required. --Sumple (Talk) 02:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV concerns 

message: Other users have commented that the article sounds excessively positive about UNPO.  As it turns out, at least part of it sounds this way because the text is lifted directly from their site. The text was added by User:Joosthendriks at 23:14, 19 April 2006. --Mr. Billion 19:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio 

message: To compere Scania (a part of Sweden) with for a example Tibet is riduculous since we have a lot of movement in our country...
:Apparently, you are not from Scania. It's the Scanians who should be asked, not the Swedes. We don't even get to learn our own language in school, instead it's derogatively refered to as a "dialect".217.31.178.94 (talk) 18:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As of December 2011 "Stiftelsen Skånsk Framtid" which was representing Skåneland is not on the list of members http://www.unpo.org/members.php. I will update the table. I have tried to found out the date of suspension, but I have not found it. If someone knows please put them under "Former members" or "Suspended members". --Vedum (talk) 18:23, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I remoeved "Failed verification date=May 2018" ~ [not in citation given]. According to the link - http://www.worldstatesmen.org/International_Organizations2.html#UNPO - Date of Admission: 19 Jan 1993 	Karenni State (Myanmar)17, Mapuche (Argentina, Chile)23, Nagalim (India, Myanmar), Ogoni (Nigeria), Scania (Sweden)16 - Note 16 - 16membership suspended 18 Sep 2011 213.65.156.52 (talk) 19:47, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scania 

message: Image talk:Worldmap UNPO.png
===[edit] Lithuania===
It is not dark green.
: And it should not be, because it never was a member of the UNPO. Check http://www.unpo.org/downloads/UNPOBrochure.pdf .  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.74.79.214 (talk) 06:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thought i'd move this here so somebody would listen 

message: It is not dark green.
: And it should not be, because it never was a member of the UNPO. Check http://www.unpo.org/downloads/UNPOBrochure.pdf .  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.74.79.214 (talk) 06:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [edit] Lithuania

message: There are two members missing in your list, both from Asia: Balochistan (in Pakistan), a member since January or February this year - don't confuse them with West Balochistan (in Iran), which is also a member (just like Iraqi Kurdistan and Iranian Kurdistan); and Burma, which was admitted as a member last week, together with the Afrikaners of South Africa.
The admission of Burma (represented by the National Council for the Union of Burma, and the Sasana Moli International Burmese Monks Association) to the UNPO is somewhat strange, since Burma (well, Myanmar) is also a member of the U.N. I guess they figured the military junta didn't adequately represent the interests of the Burmese people, and after seeing what happened when Burma was struck by a hurricane, I think no one can say they do.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.61.230.65 (talk) 20:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  You're missing two members 

message: On the UNPO website there are are only 58 members, but on this article there are 69 members listed.  Is there a reason for this because if not than the membership list needs to be redone.  Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 22:41, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, so I also noticed the list of members on the UNPO does not correspond exactly with the map on that website so that could be a reason for the discrepancy.  Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 21:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Membership 

message: When did they become a member?  I can't find any information on the web site about them? Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 13:36, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gilgit Baltistan  

message: does the UN have any illustration of the land these people are hoping to call their own?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.235.132.219 (talk) 01:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering that the UN does not run this organization I highly doubt it.  However there may be something on the UNPO website or on website of the major organizations representing the member people of the UNPO. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 01:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed States 

message: This line in the article seems a bit odd given the list of former members provided:
    * Republic of Lakotah
    * West Papua (founding member)
    * Nahua Del Alto Balsas
    * Bougainville
    * Gagauzia
    * Ingushetia
    * Komyk
    * Maohi People
    * Rusyn People
    * Nuxalk Nation
    * Sakha Republic
Bougainville & West Papau are no longer members, quite simply because Indonesia and Australia have been too successful at suppressing them. There are plenty of sources which will state this. Will just take someone looking for long enough. I don't know the history of the others that well though.--Senor Freebie (talk) 04:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I recall, Gagauzia accepted an autonomy deal and reintegrated back into Moldova. Russia probably crushed any separatists in Ingushetia. Not sure about the others. Rebecca (talk) 05:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Other former members of the UNPO. It is unclear why they are not members anymore. " 

message: the flag of Taiwan in the article uses the proposed flag by some Taiwan independence people, instead of using the official flag, which is this one http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China.svg  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.245.176 (talk) 09:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  flag of taiwan 

message: By what criteria are only some of the current members flagged as "active independence movements"?  Is this a source for this classification or should it be removed?   Obiara (talk) 16:21, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Active Independence Movements" 

message: The article does not seem to give any reasons as to why a group might be suspended from the UNPO. This really irks me, in fact- I really want to know, for instance, what the Lakota people did to get suspended!Masternachos (talk) 06:38, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Lakota people did not get suspended, they discontinued their membership.  A couple years ago, finaical reason caused major changes to the memberships.  I don't know if that was the reason Lakota left but they were not suspended. CK6569 (talk) 21:16, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, that was just an example, one that turned out to be wrong. The Buffalo Dene are suspended, though; there is a list of suspended groups. But I wonder if they, too, are suspended due to lack of funds? Or because of 'behavior?' Anyway, my point remains: Make it clear WHY suspensions happen.Masternachos (talk) 01:56, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

text: I definitely want an explanation- or at least a citation!- to show that they were suspended and did not leave...--Yalens (talk) 22:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

text: We need to be able to evidence this and the date. Secretlondon (talk) 18:43, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suspension 

message: I can not find anything to support the claim made in the intro that the UNPO was founded on the 11 of February, 1991. The website, as far as I can tell, only says 1991, no specific date. Since it's unsourced in the article, I'm going to change it to just '1991'. If anyone finds a source to support the 11 February date, please change it back.    Liam987(talk)contributions 08:52, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just found a reference to back the 11 of February date up, so changing it back to that. here is the source: . I'm still not sure how reliable this source is, though.  Liam987(talk)contributions 09:14, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of founding 

message: Currently, this page lists 42 members. The  official page lists  50. Is there a reason some were left out? --Mnidjm (talk) 23:02, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newer members 

message: How become member?--Kaiyr (talk) 12:28, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  How become member? 

message: Why did many members from Russia Suspended participate in UNPO?--Kaiyr (talk) 18:21, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  2008-2010 

message: There is a lot of information which does not match with its sources, specifically in the list of (current and historical) members. Many times, their join dates are not mentioned in the source, and the fact that they were members in the past is not mentioned at all (they do not appear in the list of members). If we cannot find a source for the fact that they were members, and their withdrawal dates, this information should not appear in the article at all. Does anyone have a reliable source for the membership history? --BurritoBazooka (talk) 22:37, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Membership information is not fully sourced 

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message: The above phrase is not neutral POV as it assumes that the peoples, minorities, etc. are perfectly represented by the organizations who are members of the UNPO. Some of these organizations are partisan political parties who do not have exclusive or even majority claim to the people whom they claim to represent. This is supposed to be an encyclopaedia not a political party's election manifesto.
For the record, I have no issue with this article or those parties being members. But the phrase, as is, is not good neutral POV either. I made the very minor and reasonable addition of adding the qualifier 'institutions and organizations' only to have it undone (along with some minor comma fixes) without explanation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francoisdjvr (talk • contribs) 08:15, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Its members consist of indigenous peoples, minorities, and unrecognised or occupied territories.' - POV issues 

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message: I fail to understand why "Micronations" is in the See Also section.
The Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization is about helping legitimate nations and peoples attain recognition and representation among the worlds nations.
A micronation is an attempt by either an individual or small group of people to create a new nation with no legitimate claim to already being a nation or people.
Therefore, Micronations are irrelevant to this article.
Thibeinn (talk) 19:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: See also can be tangentially related. They don't have to be about the same topic. Micronations are a set of unrecognized states or equivalent entities just like UNPO members. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:57, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

text: yes, I know, and no contrary claim is made here. The only connection implied here is that both UNPO and micronations are tangentially related by being part of the larger phenomenon of unrecogntion. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:15, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

text: Bugs Bunny does not aspire international recognition as a state or equivalent polity. Anyway, if it is only you opposing this long-standing link, the consensus version will stay. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:56, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

text: Thanks for your reply. Your logic is impeccable - impeccablely wrong. If you are justifying your contribution because you want to point out an issue and help others improve articles, other editors (myself in this case) can point out issues with your contribution and suggest why your edit is contrary to Wikipedia policy. One or both of us can be wrong of course but that's not the point. I did not call your contribution 'nonsense' but in good faith gave my opinion. Maybe you should read WP:GOODFAITH. If anyone has added nonsense to this discussion it is you with your 'Bugs Bunny' comment. Robynthehode (talk) 23:51, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Reopening the discussion to add that adding "Micronations" in the "Sea also" is still not consensus, and should have been discussed in a more formal manner before shutting down any attempt at conversation. Chaotic Enby (talk) 00:43, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Micronations? 

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message: Heres proof from the actual UNPO website.
https://unpo.org/members/20426 TheT.N.T.BOOM! (talk) 13:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madesh no longer member 

message: There dates for the leaving of Trieste and South Arabia BigWeirdWalrus (talk) 21:49, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing dates