Talk:United States government operations and exercises on September 11, 2001

message: On 27 Mar 2005, this article was nominated for deletion.  See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/September 11, 2001 War Games for a record of the discussion.  That discussion did raise several arguments in favor of either merging this article with Global Guardian or merely redirecting to it.  The decision to merge and redirect or to redirect, however, is not the responsibility of the VfD decision process.  It should be discussed and decided here.  Rossami (talk) 02:42, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: April 2005

message: On December 9th, 2006, User:Lovelight suggested that the Global Guardian article be merged into this page.  No reason was given.  I oppose the merger, as I think this would provide a disproportionate amount of information on this exercise on this page. Crosbiesmith 10:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Global Guardian merge proposal

message: Just an FYI that the link to this article was recently removed from the 9/11 Wikipedia page. The page is currently locked for anonymous editing and I don't yet have an account, but I wanted to bring this to someone's attention. IMHO this article IS relevant to the 9/11 main page and should be included. Perhaps someone here could add it back? 86.49.76.137 15:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  9/11 War Games Link Removed from 9/11 Wiki Page 

message: Someone wrote the following notes in the text:
:*a National Reconnaissance Office exercise on September 11, in which a small corporate jet would crash into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failurehttp://911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/defense/sfgate_exercise_082102.html Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building,San Francisco Chronicle, August 21, 2002. The NRO, whose name was classified until 1992,http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB35/ is the branch of the Department of Defense in charge of spy satellites.http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/08/21/national1518EDT0686.DTL
: Note: This is incorrect. The NRO exercise was an accident drill, not a war game.
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:*Vigilant Warrior, a NORAD live-fly (confirmed by its second name 'warrior') exercise mentioned in Richard Clarke's Against All Enemies page 4-5 (possibly the same as Vigilant Guardian, or possibly the complementary "offense" or "red team" portion of the drill involving real planes acting as simulated hijacked plane)
: Note: Operation Vigilant Warrior was not in effect on 9/11. The story that it was, is based on Richard Clarke's single misstatement in using the word "Warrior." There is no evidence that Norad ran live-fly exercises and/or hijacking exercises on 9/11. http://911myths.com/html/on_the_record___.html 
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: There were additional factors contributing to the disruption of air defenses on 9/11.  As a Director for Operations of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Fry issued an 'Instruction', CJCSI 3610.01A, which superseded earlier Department of Defence procedures for dealing with hijacked aircraft. The document, dated June 1, 2001, effectively stripped commanders in the field of all authority to act expeditiously, by stipulating approval for any requests involving "potentially lethal support" must be personally authorized by the Secretary of Defense, then as now Donald Rumsfeld. The order further requires the Secretary of Defense to be personally responsible for issuing intercept orders.
: Note: this is incorrect. The actual wording of the relevant part of instruction CJCSI 3610.01A, is this: 
: "With the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d, the NMCC will forward all requests for such assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval. Enclosure D provides additional guidance." http://www.dtic.mil/cjcs_directives/cdata/unlimit/3610_01.pdf
: The situation on September 11, 2001 required immediate response. In order to intercept the hijacked aircraft, no permission from Donald Rumsfeld was needed or sought.
--Pokipsy76 10:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving discussion from the main page 

message: I've read in numerous places and seen footage of a FEMA rescue worker saying that they were in NYC on September 10. Can anyone corroborate this?
A copy of the footage of the FEMA worker is located here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRQNCkdJxA
24.18.35.120 23:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FEMA in NYC on September 10? 

message: In the movie V for Vendetta (film), the wikipedia page War games in progress on September 11, 2001 can be seen on screen. DavidFarmbrough 12:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main page appears in V for Vendetta (film)  

message: Tripod II is an emergency management exercise, not a war game.  It doesn't really belong here.  JDoorjam     Talk 22:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tripod II 

message: You' boys really sliced this one up, ask one thing, get another, seek further… —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lovelight (talk • contribs) 23:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  fission

message: Does anyone else think the title "United States military and Department of Defense ongoing and scheduled operations and exercises for September 11, 2001" is a bit of a doozy? SpencerT♦C 19:18, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. How about "United States Department of Defense operations and exercises on September 11, 2001"? --agr (talk) 20:09, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: There was also a DoE exercice overseas on 11/9, called "Jackal Cave". See http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb270/index.htm. Is it relevant to add ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.175.56.189 (talk) 13:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  DoE exercise too ? 

message: bunch of lunatics running this asylum  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.207.69.2 (talk) 17:01, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ummm... What the f*&k is wrong with you people?!? 

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