Talk:Dartmoor

message: NEW TOPIC
'Access Land' is similar to 'Open Country' in the Peak Park - this designation, which applies to major areas of Kinder Scout and Bleaklow amongst others, well predates my first outings there in the early 60s, and existed I think from the Park's inception. I have not edited (but may do sometime - now done). My Dark Peak map of circa 1972 for example shows a vast swathe of this part of the Peak designated as National Park Access Land
Linuxlad 17:31, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: ACCESS LAND

message: (All good Guinness Book of Records stuff :-))
Warren House is very unlikely to be second highest pub in England.
Tan Hill comes in first at 528m or so. One of the stronger claimants to 2nd place is the Cat & Fiddle at approx 510m, on the A537 road above Buxton, Derbyshire. (NB note that appropriately it's a Cheshire Cat, though only by about 50m over the county boundary). I have amended the claim to highest in  SW England.  Linuxlad 17:15, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Highest, Deepest, Longest...

message: My knowledge of the area is little, but I would have thought a geography section appropriate:
* communications railways and roads(perhaps including a note about toll roads?)
* population figures
* land use
* industries past and present
Peter Shearan 07:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Factual geography?

message: I've started a commons page but I dont know what template to put on the page. --βjweþþ (talk) 21:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commons 

message: I've been pointed to discuss the recent edit on this and other national parks pages.  In each case a link has been put in to "bedsearcher".  At best I don't see it as useful (the link comes up with nothing found!), at worst it is at least a form of spam.  Opinions sought thanks. --Nigel 08:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spam? 

message: Looking at little closer at the Dartmoor page and comparing it to some other National Parks pages it does strike me that this aspect is missing.  Other than a list of things I've seen it is really out of my expertise.  However I do know that it is a very rich habitat and important in many ways.  Anyone interested?
Cheers --Nigel 10:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flora and fauna? 

message: Hi All (??)
I been looking at this for a while & wonder if the page could be tidier if we created some sub categories - Dartmoor Rivers, Dartmoor Villages and then linked that to the Dartmoor page rather than the current list approach? Could leave the main tors, rivers etc on the Dartmoor page with a "see also" for the rest. It should make the page a little sharper
Obviously comments welcome & thanks --Nigel  (Talk) 12:15, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for page 

message: I've had nothing to do with the creation of this page. After reading through the entire thing, I feel that the page is not longer in need of clean-up from a tone perspective. Good work to everyone who improved it! InvictaHOG 17:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tone tag removed

message: I've removed this.  It really does not seem really relevant to Dartmoor.  I have not seen anything like that kind of wreckage on the moors (I wonder if it is a "created" photo, I can't find evidence for it).  --Herby talk to me 12:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album cover piccy 

message: From the point of view of their journeys across Dartmoor I am inclined to create pages for both East & West Dart.  They are certainly bigger rivers than some of the others mentioned here and their passage across the moors is not really dealt with.  Any other views?  Cheers --Herby talk to me 12:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  River Dart 

message: If you are watching this page this BBC link may be of interest to you  cheers --Herby talk thyme 13:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dartmoor and the military 

message: I think it's time there was a Wikiproject:Devon up and running. Anyone interested, come to my talkpage and we'll sort something out. I'm not much good at HTML but if we all put our heads together I'm sure we can get Devon articles the treatment they deserve. Totnesmartin 16:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject 

message: Much of this article is currently unsourced. Fortunately, the Dartmoor National Park Authority have produced several factsheets which should help in finding sources for specific statements:
http://www.dartmoor-npa.gov.uk/index/learningabout/lab-factsheetshome/lab-alphabetical-listing.htm
--Safalra 20:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: I added a bit of info on the role of anthropogenic fire in the creation of Dartmoor and moors in general, along with a references and notes section.  Even though there is only one reference so far, I did it in the "Notes" and "References" method so you can give a full citation in References and then shorter footnotes and even little comments in the Notes section, like I did.  I wanted to add the bit about fire because, having read it recently in Pyne's book, I was surprised and intrigued to learn how dramatically human use of fire has changed the landscape of... basically everywhere; back to Neolithic and probably Mesolithic times.  But I'm not expert on Dartmoor, or moors at all really, so I hope my edits are not inappropriate or anything! Pfly 20:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neolithic fire and references section

message: just a moan but the percentages relating to ownership do not add up!
:Well, we can't have every landowner credited! there are loads of private homes and farms there, obviously. It looks like jus the owners with more than 1% of the land are mentioned, but it's not that clear. I'll just clarify it. Totnesmartin (talk) 15:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem solved - there was no mention of Common land. Totnesmartin (talk) 16:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that an area being common land does not mean it is ownerless; common land is generally owned by one party or another and that may be a private owner, eg an estate or a public body etc, the 'common' status refers simply to certain parties having rights in common over that land eg to graze animals or take firewood. Of course there are also some pieces of common for which there is no known owner, in which case management of them will often default to a local authority. cheers Geopersona (talk) 14:31, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Ownership percentages

message: Most of the measurements in the article are now metric first. I think the only exceptions are references to the Ten Tors Challenge and one to the width of the bogs. I think the width of the bogs could be changed to metric first, but the Ten Tors hike is more of a challenge. Would 56, 72 and 88 (or 89) be acceptable?  What do others think? Michael Glass (talk) 15:52, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's fine, thanks for the work. Ten Tors quotes the distances as you've done. The measurement of the "quakers" is only rough: I should think 4m (12 ft) would be OK.  —SMALLJIM  22:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Measurements in Dartmoor article 

message: I think it is a mire area (i.e. peat land) rather than a moorland (a hilly heath).--Carnby (talk) 13:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see it from my window, and looks pretty hilly to me. There's some peat and several bogs, but not enough to call the whole place a mire. The tors aren't indicative of a mire, certainly. Totnesmartin (talk) 14:31, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Definitely moorland, though there are some areas of mire. Pterre (talk) 09:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moorland or mire? 

message: According to , which is a neighbourhood/locality in the District of Maple Ridge, it was named for an early settler-cum-postmaster after his grandfather's former residence - "Yennadon Manor . . . a beautiful place on Dartmoor".  Anyone familiar with the area know where this is, or which village it's near/in?  The family name may not be the same as that of the postmaster, which was Prosse.  Is this a notable Great House...or just a house or cottage?  I'll be writing a Yennadon article, undisambiguated unless there's an actual placename, or a house/estate worthy of an article (?).  "Manor" may be overblown, given experience with other similar names in British Columbia; Miyazaki House in Lillooet was originally named Eyrecourt, after a supposed Eyrecourt Castle in Ireland, which is anything but....it's aruin, so couldn't be teh "ancestral home" of the familiy in question whose house it was (if so a big claim); sorry for the digression, meant by way of illustration: that despite the sources available to me in Canada I always like to check with UK sources/pages to check on what aren't necessarily accurate BC sources....all prone to second-hand accounts and bragging/mythologizing.   Be neat if Yennadon turned out to have a notable history/family attached, though....Skookum1 (talk) 04:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oop, maybe asked too soon; I hadn't noticed [a new Yennadon ref on the Lillooet River page which has a further source for Yennadon than BCGNIS does...still, if anyone knows of anything more, pls let me know; Yennadon, BC is just a semi-rural residential area on the NW side of the municipality in question; no big deal, nowadays it's the name of a school and the local bus route.Skookum1 (talk) 04:47, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That source is also in relation to the place in BC, though with a different name for the postmaster, "Prowse"; of the two sources I'd trust this one, which is a local history site and well-cited, vs BCGNIS which is second-hand and as noted above sloppy...but still no further clue as to where in "the Devonshire moors" (BCGNIS says Dartmoor, which is how I got here) the house was, or how notable the Prowses (or Prosses?) were.  Lots of remittance men among settlers of a certain era in British Columbia, he could have come from standing; or simply be overstating the grandeur of his grand'dad's home...Skookum1 (talk) 04:53, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, seems it was probably Admiral Prowse, in which case it must have been a pretty nice place; is it still standing, then?Skookum1 (talk) 05:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yennadon Manor? 

message: Is this from Latin, or from some older Anglo-Saxon or even Celtic word?  Just curious.....Skookum1 (talk) 04:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology of "tor"

message: I've created a location map for Dartmoor, for potential use in related articles. Its far from perfect, and I'm not sure how to integrate into infobox templates (such as infobox mountain) but its a start :) --Nilfanion (talk) 20:56, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Could someone who knows how please place this map into the article? I searched for it since it seemed odd to speak of a park without a map. Nick Beeson (talk) 12:43, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done - added to the infobox in place of the rather woolly one that was already there. --Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 14:44, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Also worth noting that the maps appears automatically if you plug the right data into . Look at the source on  for an example. The map parameter needs to be set to "map = United Kingdom Dartmoor", the map_caption parameter needs to be set to something like "map_caption = Location of High Willhays in Dartmoor", then you set lat_d and long_d to the latitude and longitude of the summit. Note that you should remove any existing  template from within the article as using the map in the infobox automatically displays the coords at the top of the article. There are lots of hills on Dartmoor (see :Category:Dartmoor) that don't have infoboxes or maps so if anyone is keen there is a nice job for you.... --Simple Bob a.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 15:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location map 

message: The Hut Circles and Kistvaens section currently states "Many ancient structures, including the hut circles at Grimspound, were reconstructed during the 19th century; most notably by civil engineer and historian Richard Hansford Worth. Some of this work was based more on speculation than archaeological expertise, and has since been criticised for its inaccuracy". This is very misleading as it gives the impression that Worth is to blame for such sloppiness. The section Pre-History already covers this anyway so I think it best to delete it.
Worth specifically insisted on the inclusion of his voice of dissension about the wall at Grimspound and a statement to this effect can be found at the end of the Second Report of the Dartmoor Exploration Committee (T.D.A. Vol. 27 pp.81-92 p.92 1895). In Worth's Dartmoor (p.142-3 1971 edition) he states "I have always held that it was a mistake to rebuild the structure to accord with the Committee's views of what it ought to be especially as no single section through the ruins at any point where the rebuilding was contemplated was made and published. And so I ventured to dissent from the conclusions of my colleagues (emphasis added). Worth was one of the main critics of some of the restorations, notably, Stalldown Stone Row (wrongly passes through a cairn in one section), Ringmoor stone row and cairn circle (imported stones not part of the original monument), Lakehead Hill stone row and massive cist (cist too high above ground and row wrongly curved), Challacombe triple stone row ("an attempt was made to re-erect these in the places in which 'they should of been'. Nothing coherent came of that attempt". Worth p.226). The problem Worth had with these restorations was that they were inaccurate.
Also whilst Worth did take part in restoring the Drizzlecombe menhirs (accurately in the original sockets) he wasn't involved in many of the subsequent restorations. These were mostly done by Sabine Baring-Gould and Robert Burnard of the Dartmoor Exploration Committtee. One of their main motives was to protect the sites which could be legally plundered by road builders.  
--DartmoorDave (talk) 21:01, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The restorers and the Dartmoor Exploration Committee   

message: I study historic carpentry but I am not too familiar with pre-historic dwelling types. I see the term hut circles used in a number of articles but no definition of the term. Are they remnants of a particular type of dwelling? Should they have an article or a redirect to a good description? Thanks. Jim Derby (talk) 22:34, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. A hut circle is the visible remains of a Roundhouse (dwelling). See Google Images for pictures. --Bob Re-born (talk) 22:49, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And there is in fact a (somewhat brief) page hut circle with a link to the roundhouse page referred to above. Geopersona (talk) 06:27, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hut circles 

message: An issue that comes up repeatedly with articles on national parks is whether the core landscape - in this case, the upland massif which is the traditional moor - should be one article, and a separate page 'X National Park' - should be another. In Dartmoor's case there is a redirect from 'Dartmoor National Park' to this page. (Unusually there is also a 'Dartmoor National Park Authority' page in respect of the area - many GB NPs do not have such a page.) The current geology section dwells almost entirely on the upland massif whereas the national park extends beyond that core. I propose therefore, in the absence currently of a separate article on 'Dartmoor National Park' to develop the geology section of this article to encompass all of the territory within the national park boundary. If at some future date a 'Dartmoor National Park' article is developed or perhaps even a 'Geology of Dartmoor' then the material could be transferred. cheers Geopersona (talk) 06:34, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geology of Dartmoor National Park 

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:Saddle tor to Hey tor pano.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on May 19, 2015. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2015-05-19. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:43, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Saddle tor to Hey tor pano.jpg]] to appear as POTD 

message: Greetings, it was nice to see an image of Dartmoor looking so spectacular featured on the front page of wikipedia the other day. Anyway, I have never heard of any such organisation as the "Dartmoor partnership" - the official tourism website for the national park is here  - but I also found this whilst poking around google search  - which seems to indicate Visit Dartmoor and the Dartmoor Partnership are the same organisation - one is a commercial/public service name, the other name belonging to the more administrative side of things. Should Visit Dartmoor be added instead? --Julius R.S (talk) 17:30, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dartmoor partnership". 

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message: The statement that Dartmoor is the highest upland in southern Britain is dubious.  I suppose it depends what you mean by "southern", which is not defined.  Dartmoor may be the highest in southern England, but the highest part in the southern half of Britain is in Wales.  --Martin Wyatt (talk) 18:26, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reworded the first couple of sentences of Dartmoor#Wildlife to avoid the statement.  —SMALLJIM  19:00, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest upland in southern Britain ?? 

message: The article states 309 million years ago and quotes a reference from 1982 for that which I don't have access to. The article on the Cornubian batholith, of which the Dartmoor granite pluton is a major part, gives an age of around 280 million years though goes on to discuss a wider range of dates, all younger than the 308mya. In their authoritative tome, 'The Geology of England and Wales', Brenchley & Rawson (GeolSoc, 2006) after some discussion, also go with 280. Geopersona (talk) 14:15, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: As an aside, are we sure this is the largest area of granite in Britain? And yes, I know we go with references in Wikipedia and some do say that, but I wonder if they're correct, insofar as the Rannoch Moor granite pluton in the central Scottish Highlands is contiguous with other named granites to its west which on the face of it appear collectively to extend over a greater area than does the Dartmoor pluton. It may come down to semantics of course. Geopersona (talk) 14:23, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age of granite