Talk:Shambuka

message: Sources are roughly ordered to address points 1 first and 2 second, but many arguably go to both points so I did not label them as addressing one or the other.  Please add any that I have missed.
* N.L. Gupta (2003), An Introduction to Eastern Ways of Thinking, p. 158: "By now, it can be confirmly said the 'Uttarkand' of Ramayana is an interpolation of quite later period (IV or V century A.D.) which was made an instrument, among other things, to highlight the supremacy of the privileged class, i.e. Brahmins.  This phenomena has been reflected in writings by many noted scholars Eastern as well Western." Source
* Paula Richman (2008). Ramayana Stories in Modern South India: An Anthology, p. 111: "...Valmiki's Ramayana depicts Rama slaying Shambuka, a Shudra tapasvi (ascetic)... The earliest and most prestigious account of Shambuka's story appears in the last book (uttara-kanda) of the Ramayana attributed to Valmiki.  Most scholars view this book as a later interpolation, but whether it dates from Valmiki's time or somewhat later, it soon became part of the ongiong Ramayana tradition." Source
* id., p. 232: "Shambuka: a Shudra who practiced rigorous tapas."Source
* id., p. 8: "Truly, Ramayana is not a story but a tradition of storytelling, within whose capacious limits many different stories are contained...When referring to a particular recounting of Ramkatha, the term "variant" is avoided because its usage implies that only a single correct version exists, from which every other telling varies. Instead, following the usage of A.K. Ramanujan, in this volume we use the term "telling" to refer to individual renditions. We do so because each selection is a valid telling of Ramkatha, worthy of attention in its own right.Source
* Julia Leslie, Authority and Meaning in Indian Religions, p. 194: "In a minor incident in the Valmiki Ramayana, the sudra Sambuka ..." Source   
* M. V. Nadkarni (2003). "Is Caste System Intrinsic to Hinduism? Demolishing a Myth", p. 4787: "The story of Shambuka in Ramayana is also cited as supporting caste system to an extreme extent. It is the story of a shudra who was killed on the advice of ministers by Rama as a punishment for doing penance and neglecting his caste duties.  The story appears in Uttara Kanda, which is not a part ofValmiki's Ramayana which ends with Rama's return to Ayodhya in Yuddhakanda. P V Kane, an eminent Sanskrit scholar, is of the view that Uttara Kanda was clearly a 'work of later interpolators' [ibid: Vol 1, Part 1, p 389]."Source
* James Lochtefeld, Encylcopedia of Hinduism, p. 622: "Shudra ascetic who appears both in the Ramayana, the earlier of the two great Indian epics, and in the poet Kalidasa’s Raghuvamsha, whose story line is based on the Ramayana." (quoted by Chilicave )
* Vettam Mani, Puranic encyclopedia p. 677: "A Śūdra muni." (quoted by Redtigerxyz )
* Monier-Williams Sanskrit-English Dictionary: "a Śūdra (who had become a devotee and was slain by Rāma-candra), R. ; Uttarar. (cf. śambuka)" (quoted by Redtigerxyz )
* Hari Prasad Shastri (1957). The Ramayana of Valmiki. Vol. III - Yuddha Kanda and Uttara Kanda, page 673}}"Shambuka: A Shudra who sought to become a brahmin and was slain by Rama." Source
* Rinehart, Robin (2004). Contemporary Hinduism: Ritual, Culture, and Practice, p424}}"Shambuka (Sambika). Character in Ramayana; Shudra who performed austerities and was killed by Rama." Source
::Carleas (talk) 20:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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message: "In some traditions like those of Madhvacharya Sampradaya he is belived to be a form of Asura named Janga
(as per Shrimad Mahabhaarata-Taatparya-Nirnaya Chapter 9 verse 21)"
 https://archive.org/details/shrimad-mahabharata-tatparya-nirnaya-smt-anuradha-sridhar-eng-tatwasamshodhana-samsat-udupi-2015/page/544/mode/2up Jonny2003 05 26 (talk) 09:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 17:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
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