Talk:Wijerd Jelckama

message: Wijard Gerlofs Donia deserves an article of his own. I shall ask some fellow Frisians for suggestions! -The Bold Guy- (talk) 16:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  An article on him should be made 

message: Are you sure that this is the nephew's name.  Pier had brothers Sybren and Abbe as well as one sister Tyedt Gerlofs Donia.  A middle name for a newphew would be Sybrens or Abbes rather than Gerlofs.  Sybren had a son Wierd Sybrens Donia with a matching first name - could this be the correct person?  What is the source of your article? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The name is now Wijerd Jelckama. But I guess I'm a tad late now. :) Trotse Roma (talk) 10:09, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Some genealogy trees have Wijard or Wierd as the son of Sybren Gerlofs which would indicate if we follow convention for the time his name would be Wijard Sybrens or at a stretch Wijard Sybrens Gerlofs. I think the Donia would not have been used. However to throw a spanner in the works many authors including J.J.Kalma (1970) believe Wijard was not in fact a nephew of Pier. Contemporary Worp van Thabor describes him only as Wierd van Bolsward. The article should indicate this possibility. Of course none of this means there should not be an article on Grutte Wierd or Wierd van Bolsward, however maybe the title 'Wijerd Gerlofs Donia' should be not used. Ezza  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ezza61 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: more to this name

message: I redirected it here and rewrote the article, there were simply no good sources for the name "Wierd Sybrens Donia". According to Wopke Eekhoff's book Beknopte geschiedenis van Friesland the correct name is Wierd Jelckama, so here it is. Baldrick90 (talk) 20:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  redirect, rewrite 

message: This article mentions a count of Holland sending warriors. 
Around 1520 Holland was only nominally still a county. The title of count being held by the Dukes of Burgundy, in casu Holy Roman Emperor Charles V. Holland was ruled by stadtholders instead.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.27.16.7 (talk) 10:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Count of Holland ?

message: He was taken to leeuwarden and decapitated publically there. It took 4 blows to do the job for Jelckama had an amazingly thick neck, a bull's neck. Last king of Frisia (talk) 11:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decapitation 

message: Both the Dutch and Frisian so called "Translations" are complete nonsense and have nothing to do with the article as seen here. Can someone take a look at those? 217.121.99.44 (talk) 14:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing wrong with them. 94.212.216.150 (talk) 12:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What happened was that the original writer thought that Wierd was the nephew of Grutte Pier, if there was such a nephew he would have been called xxx Sybrens Donia.  This was therefore a sysnthesis based on incorrect assumptions leading to wrong names being used on fy nl and en articles at first.  I renamed the fy version.  The nl version seems to have been recreated this month. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:56, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch and Frisian translations 

message: The article is relatively short. Can someone perhaps expand the article? 94.212.216.150 (talk) 09:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect that there is not much more known on the man.  Do you know of any more sources of information? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

text: It is no longer short. And I expanded it further with some more information about Jelckama's personal life. Trotse Roma (talk) 09:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short 

message: It is not known for a fact Pier Gerlofs Donia was the uncle to Wijerd Jelckama. Some sources claim he is, others claim there was no close relation of blood between the two men. I kept the "uncle-nephew" relation in the article. I explained, however, that the sources differ on the subject. Trotse Roma (talk) 10:31, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have found an image in which Donia (Grutte Pier) and another large man are throwing people in the water, presumabley standing on a ship. There seems to be no copyright on the image. I suspect the other giant is Jelckama. Trotse Roma (talk) 10:35, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If the picture is from an old source, you can probably scan and upload it. And you could include it here, with disclaimer. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

text: The image is some sort of wood carving or an engraving. It is not extremely well detailed and I think it is one of the oldest surviving images from Jelckama\Donia (most are made long after their deaths). Trotse Roma (talk) 10:51, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncle