Talk:Alberto Gonzales

message: Why is the GW Bush, execution thing relevant? Its a known fact that the state of texas (read: not Bush) executed a lot of people... and continues to do so. That sentence just seems out of place and anti Gonzales and anti-Bush. I'm gonna delete it, unless someone gives me a good reason. (edit: I'm changing it to read, the state of texas and leave out Bush... anyone disagree?)
::—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.74.138.53 (talk • contribs).
:As the person who wrote that sentence, I agree that your version of the sentence is better (more accurate).  – Quadell (talk) (help) 02:11, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)
I edited this part too.  I think it's ironic that Gonzo is criticized for attempting to uphold the integrity of the gubernatorial pardon by removing the governor from jury duty and criticized for not second guessing the verdicts of juries in death penalty cases.  Once again the piece criticizing him here is an op-ed which uses its opposition of execution of the mentally retarded to attack the non-pardons of then Governor Bush. ~pete6982 3/27/07
This is clearly POV: "Only one death sentence was over-turned by Governor Bush, and the state of Texas executed more prisoners during Gonzales' term than any other state". It's not atypical for Texas to perform the most executions. The sentence implies that it is atypical and that Gonzales was responsible for this. Objectively, Gonzales is only marginally responsible for Texas's number one in executions status. I would edit the article but wikipedia is not a wiki anymore and you have locked the page :( --221.217.37.214 03:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Texas Executions

message: Let's clear up the difference between infer and imply:
  Those who write the New York Times
  Imply that Bush committed crimes.
  Those who read these words of wit
  Infer such things as this from it.
So when a writer offers this in the article:
   "the state of Texas executed more prisoners during Gonzales' term than any other state."
I think the writer's implication is that people were executed in Texas prisons:
(a) at an unusual or frenetic pace;
(b) at a pace inconsistent with that of the previous or next administration;
(c) at a pace inconsistent with a state of its population;
(d) to the satisfaction of the administration;
(e) without due process of trial, conviction, death sentence, appeal, and so forth having occurred;
(f) because Alberto Gonzales was less than diligent in performing his job since the death penalty was applied as directed.
Texas is the third most populous state; #1 is liberal California; #2 is liberal New York; and Texas has a huge border with Mexico; it should not surprise a grown person to learn that Texas has a considerable death penalty population and considerable use of the death penalty.
To suggest that Gonzales acted wrongly, slowly, or illogically based on the fact that death penalty rates were high is substantially subjective and therefore a matter of "point of view."
Jessemckay (talk) 05:15, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: ALBERTO GONZALES AND TEXAS EXECUTIONS

message: OK, I may be wrong, but wasn't Al also a judge for a time? This isn't mentioned in the article at all currently. --NightMonkey 21:25, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
:Check out the Texas section... mentions he was on the TX Supreme Court. Gwimpey 21:57, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
::Wow, I really need to not let my caffine level get too low. However, this would seem to point out that this article is less about Alberto Gonzales and more about George W. Bush and his relationship to him. His actual life history is given very short shrift in this article. --NightMonkey 22:15, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
:::The reason is, there are hundreds of Google hits about Gonzales's various controversies, and very few pro-Gonzales sites. It's just easier, in this case, to find the unpleasant facts than the pleasant ones. I'm glad the article has more to say now than just "here are the controversial facts about this man".  – Quadell (talk) (help) 02:11, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)
::::I am as well; and Quadell hits exactly the reason why the article was so anti-Bush at first; that's the information that was out there, and that's the information that the media was focused on (and will continue to be through the confirmation process) Thanks, folks, for continuing to dig and include the commendable things about him that are harder to find. -- Seth Ilys 15:03, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judge? 

message: There's been a bit of apparent secrecy regarding his middle name. Does anyone have a source for it? 66.159.150.86 00:42, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle name? 

message: Hullo in here...
:I'm new to this game... am I in Freeper Land? The reason I'm asking is that Freepers would likely let the following comment in this article stand without oposition:
"Not mentioned is the fact Texas is the largest state by population, by far, so it would naturally have excecuted more inmates. Texas[3] [4]"
:That just doesn't seem right.  (Do you really want me to cite a source here?  Ok... try this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population
:I won't even begin to mention an exectutions/population ratio.
:Maybe that's a good thing to some of you.
:Maybe you WANT this guy enforcing your laws.  Including those he'll probably find "quaint"... like the Bill of Rights.  Good luck to you.
Reguards,
Paulie
I would rather have someone who upholds the justice system and supports the convictions and failed appeals.  ~pete6982 3/27/07
:No one cares what misrepresentations of fact a freeper would rather. -- Jibal 10:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact Checks? 

message: "...the far-right base of the party would never allow a pro-choice Republican to be appointed to the Supreme Court"
The term "far-right" is used solely as a pejorative here.  Abortion is pretty much a 50-50 issue in the US; it is ridiculous to say that opposition to Roe makes one far-right.  I don't see anyone claiming that support for Roe is "far-left".
However, polls show that less than 30% of Americans wish to see Roe overturned http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm
:Actually, the most recent Gallup poll on your link (May 10-13, 2007) says 35% Yes, overturn, 53% no, 12% unsure. It's a little weird to say 35% of the population is far-right and another 12% are thinking about it. Djcastel 20:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "far right" 

message: Does anyone know for sure whether he uses the spelling Gonzales or Gonzáles? I know the acute accent is correct in Spanish, but as an American he might use an anglicized spelling without it. At the moment, the article is inconsistent, using both forms, and we need to find out what's right and use it consistently. --Angr/ 14:53, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, according to the rules of Spanish accentuation, he would only need the accent if his name ended in a "z". His LCSH is "Gonzales, Alberto R.", and his White House bio uses no accent. So I vote for moving it back.--Rockero 16:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Support moving it back. Seems right without the accent. bd2412 T 17:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved it back.  The modification to the redirect unlinked ~ hundred articles from this page when it was at the alternate spelling. That's been fixed. Both USDOJ and White House uses no accent, we need good sourcing before we move around major articles. NoSeptember talk 01:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acute accent 

message: User:Mdeaton noted in edit summary it should be reworded. TransUtopian 22:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and removed the above-mentioned sentences ("Those and other incidents have led many to questions Gonzales' integrity and his perception of justice.  Others, however, regard these accusations as politically motivated attacks," AND "When Bush was sworn in as President of the United States in 2001, he appointed Gonzales White House Counsel. In this position, Gonzales has been already party to controversial legal matters involving the Bush administration.  As a result, he has become a lightning rod for criticism of the administration's actions in these affairs.")  Neither contains any facts and introduce bias.  Also removed the statement, "Gonzales has avoided further investigation surrounding his testimony, partly because Republican Senator Arlen Specter refused to swear in Gonzales, but also because confirmation hearings testimony was ruled as off limits as a precondition to questioning Gonzales," because it badly needs clarification and obviously a source if it is to be included. Mdeaton 13:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV template (neutrality disputed) in Legal problems section 

message: i dont think its correct on the page! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.194.144.2 (talk) 10:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  middle name 

message: We can't post this section yet, but anyone who wants should feel free to get to work on it. Eleemosynary 07:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Resignation due to U.S. Prosecutor scandal 

message: I took the liberty of removing <B>"[The Young Turks (talk show)]] radio program, on March 19, 2007, reported that White House sources have indicated that Mr. Gonzales would be fired during the coming week, and he could be asked to step down by Tuesday, March 20, 2007."</B> from the Attorney General Nomination and Confirmation section. It is in the wrong section, and without linking to a transcript of the show or some other source, it is not verifiable enough. --D 17:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not neutral, but it's far more reliable than e.g. Fox or Daily Mail or HuffPo, which often get used as sources on wikipedia. The facts have a well known liberal bias. 96.251.137.43 (talk) 15:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Young Turks Source 

message: I have a link to site that Tom Tancredo calls for him to resign i just dont know how to put it in correctly
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070320/ap_on_el_pr/on_the2008_trail;_ylt=ArIj4YEr5GCw82PEIPDuEh2yFz4D
Thats the link if someone would like to put it in and also if you could message me on how to do it as well thanks Gang14 19:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * This has been fixed,  thanks to edits by User:UnitedStatesIndia on in April 2007. --  Yellowdesk 14:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Calls for resignation

message: Why is this not mentioned in the article?:
Gonzales, who received his law degree from Harvard and graduated from Rice University, was a partner in a Houston law firm that represented energy giant Enron Corp. (search), which has been in the center of Justice Department efforts to clean up corporate fraud. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.71.46.78 (talk) 05:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was once in the article under the controversies heading, but was (rightfully) edited out because there was nothing  controversial about it.  A former employer or business associate, even one with the ill-repute of Enron, does not qualify as a controversy.  Perhaps it merits inclusion in a biographical context but must be without unsourced implication of wrong-doing.  If there are reliable sources evidencing some dubious action on his part, by all means, add it and cite the source. Mdeaton 12:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Enron

message: Why does the first line in this article define Gonzales as "the man"?  That is beyond silly.199.76.170.177 16:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  He's the man? 

message: Please give the DATES on the Court Opinions. 67.101.234.186 23:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Court Opinions 

message: This template of access to Gonzales video testimony  is available for use.  Given that there is already the navigation template, adding this to the article appears to be a bit much. For your information. -- Yellowdesk 18:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gonzales tesimony April 19, 2007 in U.S. Attorneys controversy 

message: http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9719339-7.html?tag=tb
Somehow fold into the article?  Would also need it's own Wikipedia article.
*+ more info on McNulty claims it seems http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051500755.html
::—Preceding unsigned comment added by Phish0202 (talk • contribs) May 15, 2007
*There's reason to doubt Gonzales's above claim and McNulty may have been kept in the dark and probably was not informed of Goodling's and Sampson's secret delegation of personnel authority by the A.G., and was not informed of White House influence on creation of the dismissal  list. Critical comparison of of Gonzales's claim that McNulty signed off, comparing to released documents and other testimony is desirable. Gonzales signed off too. Check Dismissal_of_U.S._attorneys_controversy timeline around February 2007, and the citations there for (minimal) background.  -- Yellowdesk 11:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scary-arse New Copyright Laws pushed by Gonzales + McNulty 

message: The "Calls for resignation or firing" section really serves no purpose. It's clear he's not popular right now. The article can read: X Senators and X Congress people have called for him to resign, and remove the list. There's is really no point in listing every name/party affliation. This is wikipedia not a political blog. While interesting and well-sourced, it is simple list-cruft, and takes away from the article as a whole. Arbustoo 01:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was about to Be bold and consolidate the list, but a major issue would be what to do about all the references. It seems like a waste to just get rid of them . Perhaps we should create a separate article/list? --YbborTalk 02:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a citable source that's keeping track and allows the article to dump the list, and also not create a separate list-cruft article?  (If kept, these individuals should have dates next to their statements, since they all could change their veiws.) -- Yellowdesk 21:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calls for resignation or firing section 

message: What does this article need to improve from a B class biography to an actual Good Article?  —Gaff ταλκ 03:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article? 

message: Just to clarify what NPOV is, according to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view: 
"The neutral point of view is a means of dealing with conflicting views. The policy requires that, where there are or have been conflicting views, these should be presented fairly. None of the views should be given undue weight or asserted as being the truth, and all significant published points of view are to be presented, not just the most popular one. It should also not be asserted that the most popular view or some sort of intermediate view among the different views is the correct one. Readers are left to form their own opinions.As the name suggests, the neutral point of view is a point of view, not the absence or elimination of viewpoints. It is a point of view that is neutral – that is neither sympathetic nor in opposition to its subject.
    Debates are described, represented, and characterized, but not engaged in. Background is provided on who believes what and why, and which view is more popular. Detailed articles might also contain the mutual evaluations of each viewpoint, but studiously refrain from stating which is better. One can think of unbiased writing as the fair, analytical description of all relevant sides of a debate. When bias towards one particular point of view can be detected, the article needs to be fixed."
 --Jagz 03:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral point of view 

message: The section declaring Gonzales to be a "yes man" is lifted from the Washington Post opinion page.  This clearly violates the neutrality Wikipedia pages should embody and ought to be removed.
::—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.173.165.116 (talk • contribs).
:The article doesn't "declare" Gonzales anything, it refers to his reputation.  So the quote doesn't violate anything, it substantiates the claim.  If you think that the statement about Gonzales' reputation is insufficiently sourced, feel free to add others -- they are plentiful (google of "alberto gonzales" + "yes man" yields 10,800 hits).  Finally, please sign your contributions. -- Jibal 10:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You get over a million hits if you google "bush" + "retard", but we don't have "reputation as a retard" under the "Criticisms of George W. Bush". I suggest you instead focus on particular controversies where Gonzales bucked public opinion to support the administration, rather than use the label "yes-man" as a controversy. Politicians get called all kinds of names by their opponents, but that isn't sufficient to constitute a substantive controversy. Djcastel 20:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Djcastel that having a "yes-man" section is POV. What's more, it isn't nearly as informative as a section which could describe, in non-inflammatory terms, the serious concern about having a person with close, personal loyalty to the President as the chief law enforcement officer of the nation, whose job might require him to have enough independance to investigate figures within the administration, including the president himself. (Obviously a similar concern was expressed about Harriet Miers' nomination to the supreme court). There should be planty of good refs to rewrite this section in a substative way without calling Gonzales a "yes-man". -RustavoTalk/Contribs 20:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed. It's completely imbalanced. Repeating something POV is still POV if you only provide one side. The section should be quickly removed unless (1) a source that explains the controversy (rather than makes an accusation) can be found to replace it, and (2) some context can be provided that gives Gonzales a fair voice in the controversy. Besides, I'm not sure this even sure this constitutes a "controversy" - it's clearly a condemnation. Smtomak 08:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I added the "yes man" section back in the article per Wikipedia's "neutral point of view" policy discussed in the section above. Feel free to add a dissenting viewpoint to the article if you feel it necessary. --Jagz 03:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I'm reverting this. The section's content is nothing more than a quote from a derogatory op-ed. This is unacceptable per WP:NPOV and more importantly WP:BLP. It's tantamount to saying "some say Larry King is a fascist" and supporting it with a quote that says the same. If you can find more dispassionate sources discussing Gonzales' reputation and history, I would gladly help you write an article based on them. :) --Smtomak 12:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Our government employees are just that and not kings or gods. I will put the section back in with more references. I am not going to attempt to put all available references into the article. I am not putting my views in the article, it is the published views of others. I don't care if you consider it derogatory. --Jagz 16:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am going to flag the section as  for now and rework and expand it. I agree that there should be material about Gonzales' close and cooperative relationship with Bush, but it needs to be presented in a more neutral way than quoting an op-ed from a critic. I'm sure we can find a compromise. (The ABC source is good, by the way. Thanks.) --Smtomak 17:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes Man? 

message: Is there any basis for the statement "Gonzales had a Catholic upbringing, but now he is an evangelical Christian.[3]"?  I followed the reference and read the interview, but it only mentions that he was raised Catholic.
I noticed the same thing. The statement should be removed until we can find an actual reference.
—Ortchel 04:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evangelical? 

message: Statements made by Gonzales before the sentate are public record.  I believe that we should make a seperate section of factual quotations by Gonzales such as 
“I went back and clarified my statement with a reporter.”
“Which was that and what was the reporters name?”
“Washington Post, two days later, Dan Eagan was the reporter”.
“What did you say to the reporter?”
“I did not speak directly to the reporter.”
“Oh wait a second, you did not.  Okay, what did your spokesperson say to the reporter?”
“I don’t know but….”
Does anyone else have an opinion on making a seperate section for Gonzalez quotes before teh senate?  Should we do it?  Would it get deleted?  I think factual quotes are very important to Wikipedia, and Gonzalez are just a riot.
Bridger.anderson 20:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual Documentation of Quotations Before the Senate? 

message: What does the "R." in his name stand for?
Michaelsbll 09:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth Name

message: Which date is more appropriate to use? The friday discussion with the president, or the date of his official public announcement? Given that his press agent continued all weekend to deny, the press conference would be the first time he himself has said it where it can actually be attributed to him, instead of to 'unnamed officials', I wonder which is better. It's a minor point, but worth asking. ThuranX 13:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm of the opinion that today is the day he resigned (or will resign), but I agree it's a minor point. Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 13:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

text: If he submitted his resignation on Friday the 24th, as is being reported by all the news sources, then that is the date of his resignation.  When it was reported to the public doesn't seem relevant.  The only question is when Bush accepted the resignation, which may be discussed at AG's or Bush's press conferences today. Fireplace 14:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to FOX News, the press conference will occur at 10:30 a.m. ET on August 27, 2007. According to that same report, an announcement will be made about Gonzales' temporary replacement. Solicitor General Paul McNulty is expected to be  named as the acting Attorney General until he or another nominee has been confirmed by the Senate as the permanent replacement in this post. No longer the case, as Clements' name has been revealed as the acting AG starting about September 17. →Lwalt ♦ talk 22:52, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  resignation date 

message: I'm curious as to the appropriateness of proclaiming the AG's resignation so early, because, as of this writing, he hasn't made it official yet. The evidence we're going on is a New York Times story quoting an unnamed government official. While the NYT is certainly a reliable source, as an encyclopedia and not a news outlet, I'm wondering if we are being a little over eager in proclaiming the resignation when it has not yet been formally announced. -- 13:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The NYT, WSJ, WaPo, CNN, BBC, etc., all confirm the resignation.  Those are sufficiently reliable sources.  Fireplace 14:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll admit that you have a point about it preceding his official statement (less than 30 minutes from now), but per the NYT article he submitted his resignation on Friday, and per this CNN article he resigned (past tense). Ben Hocking (talk|contribs) 14:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (OP here) I'm not grousing about the tense of the announcement ("will resign"/"has resigned") - I'm commenting on making statements to that imply that it is a done deal, prior to the official announcement. Sure, multiple news sources report it, but you have to be careful of the journalistic echo chamber effect, where you have the BBC reporting that CNN has reported that ... . It's alright for a news source to jump on a story - they deal with time-critical items, and rush to be first. Wikipedia is not a news source, and as an encyclopedia the key is not to be first, but to be accurate. Even though he gave the resignation to the president on Friday, it was all hearsay until he actually announced it to the press. As an encyclopedia, I'm unsure why we couldn't wait the 6 hours or so until the news was official. -- 18:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Acording to cnn.com his last say as AG will be September 16, acording to a "senior administration official".67.189.70.105 14:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gonzales confirmed through his press conference today that he called in his resignation on Friday, August 24, and he will remain in his AG post until September 17, 2007. This same information is also reported at FOX News and The Washington Post. ?Lwalt ? talk 15:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The way to address this is to cite the source in the reference, e.g. "According to an article in the August 27, 2007, issue of The New York Times, the Attorney General plans to announce his resignation." 71.185.74.177 20:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jumping the gun? 

message: Innumerable journalists on msnbc, cnn, have claimed, confirmed, that George calls him "Fredo", which is a nickname f/ "Alfredo", which references each of "Al" & "Alberto".
That many of you have not seen it, heard it, does not prove that others of us had not heard nor seen.
Additionally, although that references Mr. Bush, there are other nicknames that Mr. Bush has not endorsed, that journalists frequently employ anyhow.  Some examples include "Gone-zales", "Gonezo", "Gonzo", et al.
Thank You,
[[ hopiakuta  | [[  %c2%a1   %c2%bf   %7e%7e   %7e%7e  -]] 17:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully this doesn't mean that Bush will send him out on a fishing trip on a row boat on Lake Tahoe. KurdzenWeys 19:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who's a Fredo, what? 

message: Many of us ignorami have poor vision, poor memory, a poor machine [computer, monitor, keyboard, interface-environment, poor brain,...]; we rely on legible signatures in order to figure what we're reading.  Seeing an art illegible signature, or nonsignature, makes it all  quite,....  yuk.  Please do help; clean your signature.
While I'm at it, I want to add another name question:
;Has anyone that you can recall written about the rare coincidence that "Alberto Gonzales" & "attorney general" are each "a. g."?  Also, many German corporations.  How many attorneys general have been "A. G. A. G.", nationally, state, versus state?  That, also, sounds like dna.
I do wonder what subliminal effect there might be; but, there is no way to test that.
Thank You,
[[ hopiakuta  | [[  %c2%a1   %c2%bf   %7e%7e   %7e%7e  -]] 19:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   -- 18:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC) 

message: Who were posting those picture of.... it on the page?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BUNTING 1243 (talk • contribs) 00:14, August 28, 2007 (UTC) 
it was a pair of penis pictures, likely put there by the guy who reverted it back again (T something). -Bobxii 00:18, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What was those picture?  

message: I am simlpy amazed at the actions a number of "established editors" have taken regarding the resignation of General Gonzales. The page is semi-protected, but that doesn't seem to be enough. Perhaps we could explore full protection. We know that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, we know that Wikipedia recounts facts - not speculation, and yet some of us still make edits providing for an ending date for Gonzales' term, the name of Gonzales' successor, and other related edits. Just in the last few hours, User:Micahbrwn, User:Sparrowman980, and User:N734LQ have either ignored wikipedia policies or just refused to adhere to them. Here are the facts:
*Alberto Gonzales is the Attorney General. 
*Alberto Gonzales has announced his resignation, effective 17 September 2007
*Alberto Gonzales' term as Attorney General is neither completed nor expired and we do not know what the future will bring so we do not know if he will remain in office until 17 September or not.
*Alberto Gonzales' is the incumbent in office (See #1) and thus does not have a "Successor."
For the sake of Wikipedia policies and my own sanity, please stop changing his term end date, his successor, or other related information becuase "it's a given" or "it's gonna happen" or "he resigned today." 
JasonCNJ 06:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreeing with JCNJ; wait until the resignation 'takes effect'. PS- we have this kind of trouble, everytime an 'office transition' is on the horizon; there's so many 'trigger finger' editors out there. GoodDay 22:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I admit to being the first one, but at the time I made the edits, it was thought he had already resigned. Since then I've been trying to keep it factual. :) --Golbez 23:32, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simply Amazed At the Edits of "Established" editors 

message: He is the first Hispanic to hold the position of United States Attorney General.  I'm just wondering why ethnicity is prominently displayed on other politicians and White House officials' INTRODUCTION paragraphs (such as Condoleezza Rice's), advertising their position as first minority to serve as _______, whereas the simplest mention of ethnicity or minority achievement on Gonzales' page gets immediately deleted.  Would I really have to cite a source saying that he's Hispanic?
I hold no preference in this issue, it's just seeing Wikipedia articles this inconsistent bugs me. --Exander 07:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind you adding in a sentence that says he is the first Hispanic U.S. Attorney General. My objection is you adding a sentence that says he was the first Hispanic U.S. Attorney General. He is currently in office, the announcement of his resignation notwithstanding. So it is improper to refer to his term in office in the past tense. JasonCNJ 14:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Hispanic Attorney General? 

message: I would submit that the term "War on Terror" is politically loaded, and for that reason not the best section heading.  I know it is something that the Bush government likes to use to, amongst other things, justify a number of questionable policies and actions.  It is a term in common usage and is, in terms of describing the content of the section, a good heading.  I would suggest, though, that a more politically neutral term be used, or perhaps putting the whole heading into quotes.  I will leave it to someone with more qualification than I have (a citizen of the USA perhaps) to find a better section heading. Peashy 11:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  War on Terror 

message: The NY Times reference needs to have an alt name, as the url is stretching the screen Lethe 11:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! Pericles899 13:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you :-) Lethe 14:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation 57 

message: Regardless of the date of the photograph, it clearly depicts Gonzales being "chummy" eating dinner with Bush, so it logically belongs in the section on the controversy over his friendship with Bush...not in his resignation section. A photograph of the resignation announcement would belong there. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  05:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The picture was taken on the Sunday that Gonzales handed his letter of resignation to Bush, and Bush accepted it. Bush had asked him to come to the Texas ranch when Gonzales called on the Friday before, telling him he intended to depart. The announcement was the day after the picture's date, on Monday. It should all be in the citations. -- Yellowdesk 12:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: The number of attorneys fired in the scandal is inconsistent in the article, i.e. "Controversies" says 9, while "Dismissal..." says 8.  Both numbers have sources... The dismissal controversy's own page says 7 were fired in Dec 2006, with at least 2 others in 2005-2006.   I generally remember hearing 9 in media coverage, but is there a current popular consensus on which number is right?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whirlingdervish (talk • contribs) 03:47, August 30, 2007 (UTC) 
: There were seven informed of their dismissal on December 7, 2006, and they actually departed from office over the next several months. One more was informed of his dismissal in June 2006, Bud Cummins, USA for Eastern Arkansas, but no date of departure had been established then. (His replacement worked in his office from August or September 2006 onward). Cummins announced his resignation in mid-December, effective one week later, upon being informed of Tim Griffin's actual appointment, so he is often lumped by media with the seven, making eight.  The ninth, Todd Graves USA for Western Missouri, was dismissed in the Winter of 2006, replaced by Bradley Schlozman. The press is wildly non-uniform in its numbering of the dismissals. Later on it has been revealed that other USAs were dismissed without explanation, so it's possible to count a higher number, and further, at least 26 USAs were on various dismissal candidate lists over the prior year. Here's the dismissal listing:  .  You can see how it was handled in prose in the introductory paragraphs over on the Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. -- Yellowdesk 12:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would would recommend nine, with explanation/justification similar to what I state above, with citations, and mentioning that there are others--at some place in the article.  (I believe that the DOJ/Gonzales never responded to Senator  Feinstein's request for specific numbers in her request to Gonzales for post-hearing supplemental Cogressional testimony/documents.)  Many citations are at the  affiliated attorney dismissal articles. The "timeline" probably is best for citations. Here's a quick navigation box:  -- Yellowdesk 22:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I aligned the text with "eight" and mentioned the existence of other dismissals, and the 26 candidate dismissals. Perhaps the ninth is warrented: Graves/Schlozman, but there are enough details in this article as it stands.-- Yellowdesk 15:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: Please fix the redirect from Alberto Gonzalez because there is a baseball player with this name on the New York Yankees active roster.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.80.175.235 (talk) September 2, 2007
Instead of saying "Alberto Gonzales” redirects here. For the New York Yankees infielder, see Alberto Gonzalez (baseball player)., shouldn't it read "Alberto Gonzalez” redirects here. For the New York Yankees infielder, see Alberto Gonzalez (baseball player)?153.104.120.150 01:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: His last business day was Friday; I think he officially leaves on the 17th. --Golbez 00:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
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message: Shouldn't we be able to find this? john k (talk) 20:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle name, again 

message: I was reading up on the attorney representing Gonzales in his criminal proceedings.  It appears that the link on the page does not lead to correct person, rather it leads to a cinematographer by the same name.  Placing "George J. Terwilliger III," instead of "George Terwilliger" should do the trick.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nwtorres (talk • contribs) 17:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
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message: All that it was was that the democrats tried to make a scandal out of it. It is OK for the attorney general to fire the district attorneys and replace them. Footballfan190 (talk) 22:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: This article is incorporated in WikiProject Mexico.  How appropriate is this?  Mr. Gonzales was not born in Mexico and the article does not say that he has citizenship in Mexico.  The article does say that he has ancestry in Mexico, but through his grandparents.  I'd understand WikiProject Canada incorporating Mike Myers because that fellow was born in the country and raise there but I wouldn't understand WikiProject England incorporating George Bush due to it being Mr. Bush's ancestry.  A more appropriate approach would follow the Winston Churchill article, which is not incorporated by some wikiproject on America even though his mum was American.  Maybe some wikiproject on Mexican-Americans may be more appropriate.  Unless there is some objection I think someone or myself should remove the wikiproject Mexico tag.EECavazos (talk) 20:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I switched WikiProject Mexico with WikiProject Mexican-Americans because the first wikiproject was inaccurate while this second wikiproject is accurate.EECavazos (talk) 00:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: I placed references to a Daily News editorial against the subject.  Is there any editorial in his favor, just to make this WP:NPOV? Bearian (talk) 19:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
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message: Scott Horton reported yesterday that charges were to filed today against "The Bush Six".  I figure the best way to cover this material would be to a single article that dealt with the charges in detail.  I started to prepare a draft here.  Comments to it are welcome at its talk page. I figured the articles about the six men should each have a relatively small section that sets the context for the charges for that particular man, and then refers readers to the main article, via  or .  Geo Swan (talk) 15:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
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message: Probably the single best biography on the market is Bill Minutaglio's The President's Counselor. Minutaglio is a Texas-based journalist with excellent sources. Though Gonzales refused to cooperate with the book, many family and friends did, and the book is detailed and even-handed. Its only "flaw" is that it only goes up to Gonzales's ascension to the Attorney General position. This article could be vastly improved with inclusion of content from Minutaglio's book. Black Max (talk) 19:18, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
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message: This section is quite biased in favor of Gonzales and the Bush administration, and skillfully so. Most of the material favors Gonzales, especially in the section that "exonerates" him, and the material that goes against him is presented in an offhand, dismissive fashion. Very POV. Black Max (talk) 17:37, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
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message: There should be some mention of his famous congressional testimony where he answered so many questions evasively with "I Don't Recall"  96.251.137.43 (talk) 15:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
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message: Ich, your recent edit here regarding Enhanced Interrogation Techniques smacks of POV, and, as such, I have reverted it. The official name is Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, and the lede already makes clear some people identify it as torture. It should be their opinion – not Wikipedia's. Looking at your user page, I see you live in New York City, so I'm guessing you're a liberal Democrat. You're entitled to your political views, of course. However, Wikipedia is not a soapbox for you to advocate your political views. Abandon that behavior now, please. Redhood6889 (talk) 16:31, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Three quick points: I see your point am fine with the wording as it presently is. I see the use of the term "EIT" as a whitewash of the practice of torture (the EIT page makes that abundantly clear). I am neither liberal nor a Democrat; my political views are generally a non-partisan respect for human rights and the rule of law. Thank you for your polite and respectful response.-Ich (talk) 01:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Routine striking of a sockpuppet edit, this is User:rv edit by sock of User:Cali11298 Dougweller (talk) 18:08, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
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message: Copied from http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/29/washington/29gonzales.html and is not presented in a way that I'd present it in a scholarly paper without worrying about plagiarism. Mattman00000 (talk) 04:47, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
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