Talk:Thomas D'Arcy McGee

message: In several photos of McGee, he doesn't look completely Celtic/Anglo-Saxon. Does anyone know if he had any other ethnicity in him?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.1.19.72 (talk) 20:14, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks perfectly celtic to me.216.252.77.112 (talk) 22:39, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnicity

message: "His was the first murder in the newly formed Dominion of Canada's short history".
In a country of 3.5 million people, including both good-sized cities and lawless frontiers, I find it hard to believe that the country's first murder was nine months after the BNA Act.  Citation? Demonstah (talk) 00:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I removed part of a sentence which claimed that the Fenians were "forerunners for Sinn Féin". Nowhere in the articles Sinn Féin or History of Sinn Féin are the Fenians mentioned and no citation for that claim is given in this article.
Hanleywashington (talk) 16:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sinn Féin 

message: Please double-check edit. I have no knowledge whatsoever; this piece text was subject of vandalism recently, so I decided to trace its origin, just in case. Staszek Lem (talk) 03:26, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please double-check the facts added by IP 

message: *Dempsey, Sandra "D'arcy" - a play in two acts - www.SandraDempsey.com
* Burns, Robin B. "McGee, Thomas D'Arcy" in Dictionary of Canadian Biography online
* Phelan, E.J. Ardent Exile (1951)
* Slattery, T.P. The Assassination of D'Arcy McGee (1968)
* Wilson, David A.  Thomas D'Arcy McGee: Passion, Reason, and Politics, 1825–1857, (2007), major scholarly biography
* Wilson, David A.  Thomas D'Arcy McGee: The Extreme Moderate, 1857–1868, (2011)
* "Thomas D'Arcy McGee" Canadian Encyclopedia
*The Politics of Irish Literature: from Thomas Davis to W.B. Yeats, Malcolm Brown, Allen &  Unwin, 1973.
*John Mitchel, A Cause Too Many,	Aidan Hegarty,	Camlane Press.
*Thomas Davis, The Thinker and Teacher,	Arthur Griffith, M.H. Gill & Son 1922.
*Brigadier-General Thomas Francis Meagher His Political and Military Career, Capt. W. F. Lyons, Burns Oates & Washbourne Limited 1869
*Young Ireland and 1848,	Dennis Gwynn,	Cork University Press 1949.
*Daniel O'Connell The Irish Liberator,	Dennis Gwynn,	Hutchinson & Co, Ltd.
*O'Connell Davis and the Colleges Bill,	Dennis Gwynn,	Cork University Press 1948.
*Smith O'Brien And The "Secession", Dennis Gwynn, Cork University Press
*Meagher of The Sword,	Edited By Arthur Griffith,	M. H. Gill & Son, Ltd. 1916.
*Young Irelander Abroad The Diary of Charles Hart, Edited by Brendan O'Cathaoir,	University Press.
*John Mitchel First Felon for Ireland, Edited By Brian O'Higgins, Brian O'Higgins 1947.
*Rossa's Recollections 1838 to 1898, Intro by Sean O'Luing, The Lyons Press 2004.
*Labour in Ireland, James Connolly, Fleet Street 1910.
*The Re-Conquest of Ireland, James Connolly,	Fleet Street 1915.
*John Mitchel Noted Irish Lives, Louis J. Walsh,	The Talbot Press Ltd 1934.
*Thomas Davis: Essays and Poems, Centenary Memoir, M. H Gill, M.H. Gill & Son, Ltd MCMXLV.
*Life of John Martin,	P. A. Sillard,	James Duffy & Co., Ltd 1901.
*Life of John Mitchel,	P. A. Sillard,	James Duffy and Co., Ltd 1908.
*John Mitchel,	P. S. O'Hegarty, Maunsel & Company, Ltd 1917.
*The Fenians in Context Irish Politics & Society 1848–82, R. V. Comerford, Wolfhound Press 1998
*William Smith O'Brien and the Young Ireland Rebellion of 1848,	Robert Sloan, Four Courts Press 2000
*Irish Mitchel,	Seamus MacCall,	Thomas Nelson and Sons Ltd 1938.
*Ireland Her Own, T. A. Jackson,	Lawrence & Wishart Ltd 1976.
*Life and Times of Daniel O'Connell,	T. C. Luby,	Cameron & Ferguson.
*Young Ireland,	T. F. O'Sullivan, The Kerryman Ltd. 1945.
*Irish Rebel John Devoy and America's Fight for Irish Freedom, Terry Golway, St. Martin's Griffin 1998.
*Paddy's Lament Ireland 1846–1847 Prelude to Hatred, Thomas Gallagher,	Poolbeg 1994.
*The Great Shame, Thomas Keneally, Anchor Books 1999.
*James Fintan Lalor, Thomas, P. O'Neill, Golden Publications 2003.
*Charles Gavan Duffy: Conversations With Carlyle (1892), with Introduction, Stray Thoughts On Young Ireland, by Brendan Clifford, Athol Books, Belfast, . (Pg. 32 Titled, Foster’s account Of Young Ireland.)
*Envoi, Taking Leave Of Roy Foster, by Brendan Clifford and Julianne Herlihy, Aubane Historical Society, Cork.
*The Falcon Family, or, Young Ireland, by M. W. Savage, London, 1845. (An Gorta Mor)Quinnipiac University
Moving this list here until someone can figure out some type of inclusion criteria. One way or the other, we shouldn't have a further reading section that's damn near longer than the article itself. GMGtalk 16:00, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed the useless stuff. Really important people have hundreds or thousands of books and articles.  What remains is a selected list based on bibliographies in Canadian history.  I trimmed out some of the old entries that are rarely used anymore.  Rjensen (talk) 16:34, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Some subjects certainly exist that have more entire books written about them then we have individual letters in our entire article. But per Wikipedia:Further reading, these sections need to be kept to a reasonable length. 40 or 50 entries is nowhere near a reasonable length. GMGtalk 16:36, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree--the list is down to 9 now.  Rjensen (talk) 16:52, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further reading 

message: Concerning the two categories:  "Irish lawyers" and "Canadian lawyers" that have been added to the article.  Is it permissible to have a category that relates to something that has no mention in the article?  I would have thought that if the subject matter of the category isn't mentioned in the article, then there is no basis for including that category.  I've skimmed and searched the article and don't see any mention in the article that McGee was called to the bar in either British North America or Ireland, so I don't see how we can justify having those categories.   has provided one source that states he was called to the bar in Lower Canada.  If that were included in the article as a reliable source, then yes, we could categorise him as a "Canadian lawyer", but that wouldn't justify calling him an "Irish lawyer".  Also pinging .  Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:20, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that the lawyers by nationality categories work the way you're describing them. But I don't have strong thoughts on this particular page. Mason (talk) 02:26, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Nationality aside, if there is no mention in the article that he was a lawyer, I just don't see how we can put an unsourced statement in by way of a category. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:32, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't disagree with you. Perhaps commenting out the unsourced category could work? Mason (talk) 02:37, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what "commenting out" means? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:41, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We could put    around the category. Anything you put between   will not be displayed when the page is rendered. This is useful for leaving notes or instructions for other editors without cluttering up the visible content of the page. Mason (talk) 02:45, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

text: The category page for Irish lawyers states that it is intended for "lawyers who originated from Ireland or spent a notable part of their careers in Ireland". Under that definition, if he was a lawyer in Canada, even if he never practiced in Ireland, he would still qualify for inclusion in the category. And the sources do support that he was a lawyer in Canada. So I think the best path forward is to keep the categories and add that with sourcing to the article text. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:52, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we list someone in a category that has no mention in the article?