Talk:France 24

message: I have corrected the offical website to france24.com rather than france24.fr. You will see that france24.fr redirects to france24.com anyway so there shouldn't be any disputes. I also removed the 'French' sign next to it. The final website will be in English as well. --Mgill 08:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Website 

message: Apart from the language, what's the difference? Aren't they both available through sattelite? Maybe such a clarification should be added. --Michkalas 15:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, and really, I don't know that much about it, one (France 24) is a news channel, the other a French-language channel with broad programming. Wijnand 16:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It would be like comparing CBS to CNN. --Bob 16:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, then. I was trying to figure out what's new about France 24, because the media presented the first French satellite channel, with global reach and so on. It seems that the really new think is the use of English language -and, of course, that it is a news only channel. Thank you for the clarifications. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michkalas (talk • contribs) 17:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[TV5MONDE]] vs [[France 24]] 

message: I have protected the page due to the edit war that was raging here. Please discuss what needs to be done with the article here, not on dozens of user talk pages. Kusma (討論) 09:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please discuss the article content. For editor behavior, please see also WP:DR. Kusma (討論) 09:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have unprotected the page, since Universalgenius is blocked as a troll sock. Sorry for the inconvenience, Kusma (討論) 13:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: It should be noted that the France 24 website does not work (the video feed that is) in Firefox.  Quite an oversight on their part.
:Works just fine for me in Firefox, Internet explorer and Safari.  I think they have a wonderful website.  Better than CNN and CBS with their obnoxious adds and broken video links.  Try updating your software before blaming others.  --172.185.171.81 23:09, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Works fine for me too. I was even able to embed it in my blog  something I can't do for Al Jazeera, for example. ... al Seabhcán bin Baloney (Hows my driving?) 23:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Website problems

message: Is it only funded by the French government? I'm pretty sure I've just seen ads on France 24.
:Obviously they're picking up money off of the ads then.  But there is some sort of agreement that they may only be international ads, as not to interfere with advertising on TF1 and France Télévisions.  But yeah, those are ads you're seeing, but since this is the first fiscal year, we don't know how much they've made from them yet.  --172.185.171.81 20:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, the first user (please, sign your comments!) is right, not because the France 24 has ads, but because the channel is funded also by TF1, a private, albeit French, company. I believe it is unfair to mention only the French government. --Michkalas 21:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's not funded by TF1, nor France Télévisions for that matter - just owned (50% by each).  If you find a source that says otherwise, please post it here.  As for now, the only funding figures that we have are what the French government has allocated, and for the moment, that is vast majority of the money they have since the government also gave them money to build their new building, buy their cameras, servers, et cetera.   I think we should keep that particular phrase in the article the way it is until we get new information.  --Aquarelle 07:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I hadn't found anything, but it seems obvious that, when a company owns another company, it has put some money, even if this later company is -heavily- subsidized by the state. But, in the end, there is something I found: in World news to get a French flavour, BBC News, 6.12.06, it includes a phrase "with the French state funding most of the channel". So it is most of the money, not all, that come from the state. Anyway, I have no deeper involvement with the subject than reading some articles like that at BBC. It seems, though, a little bit unfair for France 24 to state in the very first sentence that it is funded by the French government. This is the same as to say indirectly that they are a French government sockpuppet. Of course, this is not completely untrue, but it is also true for the relationship of BBC World, Al-Jazeera International, teleSUR, EuroNews (all entirely or heavily funded by one or more states, but not mentioned in the first sentence of the article) or CNN International (though privately owned) with their respective governments. So, at least, we should be precise about who gives France 24 the money.--Michkalas 18:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: "So, at least, we should be precise about who gives France 24 the money." Not without accurate information we shouldn't.  I perhaps agree with your idea that me shouldn't mention in the first paragraph that France 24 is government-funded, but state funds do not make it partial.  In fact, many people consider government funding to be a fundamental trait of neutrality, considering that the government funding is certain, that flexibility is given to the agency, and also keeping in mind the large amounts of bias - albeit a different sort of bias, must more deep-rooted and inconspicuous - that private, large parent companies exact over their subsidies.  And lastly, you are incorrect in saying that because a company owns another it must fund it ; and again, this is not the case here (unless I'm very mistaken).  --Aquarelle 22:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe tha tstate funds make it partial or that private funds are better. On the contrary. But you can mention state funding in a way to undermine its credibility in comparison with its competitors. What is more, if we don't have enough information, why the article mentions only the French government funding? Anyway, maybe you could also provide a source. Mine is nothing else than the news articles from BBC News, Al-Jazeera and APF mentioned in the article itself and in Wikinews. Is there any extra source?--Michkalas 23:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure I understand your reply exactly.  Which source are you looking for?  I also don't understand what you want the article to mention about state funding - if anything at all.  Please clarify.  --Aquarelle 23:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean you didn't mention any source for your claim. I believe all sources of funding should be mentioned or we have to have a source claiming only the French government provides funding. In the first lines we could mention only were its base is (as in the other international channels) and the languages it broadcasts in. The rest of the information is for the "Corporate structure" section. --Michkalas 23:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: You're right, the sources on this article are not cited well enough.  Let's both try to find some references and post them back here, okay ?  The part about the French government funding is obvious.  However, I dont think that we can read too deeply into the BBC's use of the word "mostly" in their article regarding the French budget.  They were probably just covering their bases by leaving a little bit of room for advertising and donations.  --Aquarelle 23:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: What about stating that it is an "independent government funded channel"? or anything that can make clear that it is not a "voice of America" like channel ?90.30.135.63 18:04, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  French government-funded 

message: "The network has a budget of 86m euros (£58m) a year. That compares with 900m euros for CNN."  France launches world TV channel, BBC News, 6.10.2006. Maybe it is important to make the comparison to show if the annual budget of France 24 is a lot of money for this purpose or not.--Michkalas 22:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That wouldn't be the first time that Auntie (the BBC) made a mistake, espcially in their pithy criticisms of all things French.  I have other sources that show the CNN budget at €600 million per annum.  But in any case, the CNN budget doesn't need to be shown here, even if it were 2 trillion.  Please don't add it anymore - it just begs for misinterpretation  --Aquarelle 22:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: As far as I know it is the French side which makes the comparison, to show how harsh the competition is and how few their resources. Anyway, all this article is based on BBC, Al-Jazeera and APF articles. Is there a source estimating "the CNN budget at €600 million per annum"? --Michkalas 23:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is the AFP source saying CNN's budget is €900 ?  But either way, I'm not going to debate because I reject it's importance to the article.  If you have a lot of information on the subject, maybe you could create some sort of comparative article on international media.  --Aquarelle 23:28, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I didn't claimed that AFP says CNN's budget is €900. The only point I made is that BBC News and news sites are the only sources for the article on France 24. So either we say BBC is unreliable on French issues or we consider it a source generally credible unless we have a concrete objection based on some other source. So is there any source claiming that CNN's budget is €600? If there is one it's OK to mention the corrected budget. But if there isn't, on what basis can we doubt the number?--Michkalas 23:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not giving any energy to this debate.  It's not relevant to the article.  Please refer to my past post.  --Aquarelle 23:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: On second thought, while I still don't think we should add the comparison figures to CNN, here is a link from France2 with lots of information.    Looks like you were right after all about CNN's budget - my previous reference also came from France2, but it was a dated article produced 10 days before this one I just posted.   --Aquarelle 00:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes but it would be useful to stress that despite this budget, France24 relies on an important logistic. The AFP agency, RFI, France Ô, 2,3,4,5, Arte, Doc en stock... 90.30.135.63 18:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison with CNN budget 

message: We can choose some material from the following articles to expand the article or we can use them as references to statements already included. Most are from prestigious medias with their own correspondent in Paris.
*John Ward Anderson, With channel's launch, French join the global TV battle, Boston Globe/Washington Post, December 10, 2006
*Jenny Barchfield, (Paris) France Launches 24/7 News Channel, The Associated Press/Washington Post, December 5, 2006
*(Paris) France's new 24-hour news network readies to break into a competitive market The Associated Press/ International Herald Tribune, November 15, 2006
* Peter Feuilherade French join global TV news battle, BBC News, 7.12.06
* Caroline Wyatt (Paris), World news to get a French flavour, BBC News, 6.12.06
* Dan Carlin (Paris), CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera...and France 24?, Business Week, December 4, 2006
*France 24 - the unofficial blog
In French:
* France 24: le lancement réussi ne fait pas taire toutes les critiques  ( AFP, samedi 9 décembre 2006, 16h40)
* Video La chaîne France 24 a commencé ses émissions  ( AFP, jeudi 7 décembre 2006, 14h03)
*La chaîne France 24 officiellement lancée ( AP, mercredi 6 décembre 2006, 21h56)
*France 24 sera totalement indépendante, réaffirme Jacques Chirac ( AP, mercredi 6 décembre 2006, 21h22)
*Video Lancement de la chaîne d'information internationale France 24] ( AFP, mercredi 6 décembre 2006, 21h10)
*Les intermittents en colère manifestent et s'invitent à France 24  ( AFP, mercredi 6 décembre 2006, 20h51)
*La CFDT veut interdire à France 24 d'utiliser France Télévisions  ( AFP, mercredi 6 décembre 2006, 18h45)
*Bienvenue à France 24 !, par Antoine Schwarz, Le Monde, 08.12.06 (it will require subscription in a while)
--Michkalas 12:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the high and mighty Aquarelle, those are not sources because he has not found them.  They are no more or less reliable than the sites I posted above. --Bob 15:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm surprised you can add an infobox but you can't even format your own comments on the talk page.  Your welcome in advance for inserting the proper spacing.  Calm yourself down and come back when you have something to add.  Your undue concern for trivial matters never ceases to amaze me.  --Aquarelle 00:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Again, you are being a dick. --Bob 00:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Très original, mon vieux, mais si tu bosses je suis sûr que tu peux en faire mieux.  --Aquarelle 00:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Vas-y, je t'attends.  Je vais corriger tes fautes d'orthographe et de grammaire.  --Aquarelle 00:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some articles from the  international press 

message: I just watched France 24 and I saw a feature before news, what reminds me news countdown at BBC. A minute before news they play a theme melody, and show very short video clips flashing and a clock is counting down to the news. It looks for me like they also started to do a countdown to news (like BBC is doing before their news). --Tarmo Tanilsoo 16:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  News countdown 

message: I added a section to the article on the equipment used in the newsroom, because this was of interest to me ... I hope this is useful.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.51.17.250 (talk) 07:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Technology

message: I will look for information about the upcoming merge with french international radio RFI.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamouaa (talk • contribs) 17:09, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Company merge with RFI

message: I have taken out non-existent links on this page.  This edit has been undone once - so just to explain here that there is no advantage to having links which don't exist.  All it does is look messy.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uvghifds (talk • contribs) 16:37, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: The pronunciation and the IPA at the beginning of the article are at odds with one another. It says it is pronounced France van-cat but the IPA reads something like Fghaws vat catgh. Certainly, "France" is not pronounced the same in French as in English, so that bit of the pronunciation is wrong; on the other hand, I don't believe the t in the "vingt" of "vingt-quatre" is ever pronounced, so that bit of the IPA is probably wrong. For the rest, it's very likely that different people pronounce it differently, but some effort should be made to make the pronunciation and the IPA agree.  95.44.50.222 (talk) 08:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation and IPA 

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thread_title:  https://www.iwf.org.uk/ 

message: does anyone have a citation to use for the launch date for France 24? I am not questioning the data in this article. I am simply saying, any specific date data is always better, if we can provide at least one useful citation. I think that the network's own website would be fine as a source for this data. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 14:57, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  question re citation 

message: You should clearly mention that the channel is clearly established to serve France’s propaganda Worldwide as an answer to other propaganda channels such as BBC, RT, Al Jazeera etc. ErbekBozok (talk) 16:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Government Propaganda TV 

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