Talk:Cunt/Archive 1

message: A couple of meathods of reffering to someone as a cunt, in britain at least are missing. I suggest the following be added:
- Imannuel Kant, in the for of "you bloody Immanuel!"
- King Cnut. Not rhyming slang, but the king's name is used quite often as an allusion to "Cunt".
87.194.7.55 23:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing Rhyming Slang

message: The article claims that cunt is more offensive when it is used to refer to a body part then it is when it is used to refer to a person. There is no source for this claim and it seems totally made up. Ask a woman about her cunt, and you are likely to get a raised eyebrow and a sigh. Call a woman a cunt, and you are likely to get slapped. 65.125.163.221 10:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source for that? Lou Sander 12:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: You've got a good point. (I forgot the smiley after my previous comment -- Sorry.) I'll try to work on what you say. As you might imagine, there really aren't many "legitimate" sources on this subject. There's a book or two, mostly from the feminist viewpoint, and lots of naughty sources. The article attracts vandals, too, and some of what they put in here might not be detected as vandalism. I'll try to get one of the books, but I'm dreading my interaction with the librarian. ;-) Lou Sander 12:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lots of missing sources, is this mostly opinion?

message: I dont understand why this word is some major terrible word, it refers to the vagina, but if you call someone a "vagina" or "twinkle" or "fanny" or some other word meaning the same thing, it is not seen as remotely near as offensive. I just dont understand how one single word can notoriously be some majorly bad word when its just a word, one of many referring to something normal. Its the same with other words, why is "fuck" more vulgar than "screw" ? They mean the same thing! Its silly really! TR_Wolf
::::Because language doesn't function that way. The precise meaning of a word is not really any clue to its intensity as an insult. "Fucker" for example is quite insulting, and yet it simply means someone who indulges in sexual intercourse, ie everyone.Bobble2 18:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well everyone except me.  Ba-dum-bum.  The reason we have different words for things is because they mean different things.  We can say that the Innuit have 1000 words for snow, but really they're not all equivalent.  Same here.  Pussy has a particular set of meanings when referring to a whole person, as does cunt.  That said, is the level of offense taken ordinate?  Not for me to say.  I know that I can't even call my flipping water pump a cunt without severe repercussions resulting in the situation outlined in my first sentence.208.114.132.151 18:04, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why?

message: I believe it is incorrect to call it a slang term. In high school Latin class, where we  read only the Aeneid for 2 years,   "vagina" just means sheath, as the normal term.
Liber IV (thanks to gutenberg.org)
... Dixit, vaginaque eripit ensem
fulmineum, strictoque ferit retinacula ferro.
... He said, and his scabbard delivered forth his flashing sword, he struck the cable with sharp iron.
from The New College Latin and Englsh Dict.
by Traupman 1966:
"vagina f sheath, scabbard; sheath (of ear of grain), hull, husk; vagina"
Surely if it's in the Aeneid, the Roman state myth, it's the most correct linguistic paradigm, not slang.
I hope this note, and  all consuming interest in the topic of this Wikipedia article, will encourage multitudinous thousands of high students to study the language of the greatest empire, whose influence remains pervasive; as I write, I use their letters. 
67.113.2.180 20:22, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Latin, vagina, originally a Roman slang term meaning, 'scabbard.'"" 

message: "It is an old and native English word, replaced after the Norman Conquest by the Latin, vagina,..."
"Cunt is an old Germanic word,..."
 
If it's Germanic, then it's not native English.
The Norman Conquest was 1066. The Romans conquered England a 1000 years previously. Wouldn't that add more plausibility to the etymological roots being in the Latin cunnus ?
I hope cunt scholars all over the world, with the help of government grants and the support of modern scientific networking and computer computations will be able to solve this important mystery. 64.160.47.72 20:46, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "It is an old and native English word" "It is a Germanic word" 

message: Please do not use this word in Muslim countries, especially prefaced by the word for the woman who married your father, possessive case, unless you intent to start a jihad.
That's not all that funny, but anyway I believe it makes a good point: that in other cultures some language is a lot more extreme, to the point of being "fighting words". In would be unfortunate for a nonnative English speaker to use certain language with the abandon of Americans, in the wrong foreign country.64.168.30.47 09:17, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed this funnyness 

message: No idea why, in an encyclopedia, we have such a long quote on the etymology - the etymology of this word is no more interesting (in such cases, less) than that of thousands of other words in the encyclopedia.
Also, the article states that "The historical normality of Cunt can be shown by the existence of the River Kennet which derives its name from the same source." Do we have a source for this, please?  The Popular Dictionary of English Places (A. D. Mills, Oxford University Press, 1991) says that "Kennet" is a Celtic name of doubtful origin. --Rjp08773 00:19, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: fair point. Paul B 17:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etmologies 

message: "It has cognates in most Germanic languages, such as the Swedish and Norwegian kunta"
The italicized text above was removed.  The edit label was "kunta" is not used in modern Swedish or Norwegian, and there is no evidence that it has ever been used with the same meaning as "cunt".  In fact the note that the word is cognate with the word kunta implies neither. Perhaps it should be noted that kunta is not a modern Swedish or Norwegian word. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:38, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Explanation of [[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]'s revert of edit by [[User:213.113.222.226|213.113.222.226]]

message: The first sentence reads: "Cunt is an English term that refers to the human female genitals." Can someone confirm that it only refers to human genitals? Can cats or apes or other mammals not have cunts?
*i'm pretty sure that the females of many animal species have cunts. 
Gringo300 04:45, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question - for humans only? 

message: Isn't the term, when used against men, most often used against gay men, as an anti-gay slur?--67.123.232.156 00:41, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Then state that (provided, of course, that you can back it up).  What I removed was the assertion that, when used against men (whether or not gay), it is always an anti-gay slur. Kelly Martin 05:16, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
**I've never heard the word used as an anti-gay slur.  In my experience living in Australia, UK and Ireland, the word is directed at men who act like arseholes x 1000.
**Absolutely agree. Never heard it used as anti-gay. DJ Clayworth 15:48, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-gay? 

message: Ahh yeah, la puta... "the whore" in Spanish... LOL....quite a fucking cunt indeed. :) 165.230.149.169 22:48, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Compare this word to [[Laputa]]!

message: Any chance of a picture? --211.218.1.177 15:55, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Try Google. There are lots. Paul B 16:29, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See Vulva, not to be confused with Volvo. Wahkeenah 16:33, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture? 

message: In the US I've noticed the term is usually used to insult females, in Britain almost always men. This isn't mentioned in the article. Should it be? --Sachabrunel 20:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think it should. Maximile 00:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Male / Female 

message: It appears that there are at least three etymologies for cunt given in the article, one tracing it back to PIE *gwen-, "woman", another to PIE *gen-, "to beget", another to PIE *ku-, "to cover"; in addition, a non-Indo-European origin is suggested. However, the article does not clarify the situation enough. Alexander 007 20:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been clarified. Alexander 007 20:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology of [[cunt]]

message: May I comment that this page is far too short. 4000 words on the subject of "cunt" is far too few, we really need more details. This is, after all, a critical subject! Thank you. --05:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too short 

message: Found this in the text, not sure its totally accurate
"Often when cunt is intended to offend it is used to mean George Bush - the biggest dick licker on the planet earth."
It's accurate, though I wish I could have put it in his mom's ass... Dexter111344 23:48, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: George Bush

message: Is that section really intended to be a list of every single time the word is mentioned in a book, movie, or TV show? Some of the entries seem pretty trivial, like "Used in The Exorcist, and the vehicle driven by "Pimp Bob."  Joyous | Talk 14:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, but it's missing a reference to Kenny Everett's most brilliant quip, which also got him sacked. Something about a pompous caller to Everett's radio program explaining "I'm a Country member", to which Everett replied, "Oh yes, I remember.". Another sackable one went like this "When Britain was an empire, we were ruled by an emperor. When it was a kingdom, we were ruled by a king. Now that we're a country, we've got Margaret Thatcher." Like last week's yogurt, Kenny was a true creator of culture. DLeonard 14:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I would agree that Kenny Everett is an essential addition to this section, compared to many of the other inclusions. Perhaps more famous than the above quotes is his character Cupid Stunt, a spoonerism of Stupid Cunt. A further worthy addition would be the rude, usually offensive, alter-ego used by Australian comedienne Julia Morris, 'Mrs. Cunty'. Misterduffy 20:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Uses in Popular Culture" 

message: I removed the odd footnote that states that "kunta" does not exist in modern Swedish and that there is no evidence that word ever meant the same as the English one. As currently phrased, this is inappropriate. There is no point adding a note that seems simply to contradict the main text. All the sources I have consulted state that the term does exist in Swedish as a dialect word. It is difficult to understand what purpose this footnote is supposed to serve, since it merely confuses the reader by stating the opposite of what the text says without any qualification. Incidentally, being linguistically cognate does not require that the word have an identical meaning. Paul B 11:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: footnote

message: I've always understood the RCH to be the smallest measurement. Lou Sander 02:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RCH 

message: Someone edited out the point that a more polite but less accurate word for "cunt" is "vagina." I think they were mistaken in doing that.
In my experience, "cunt" refers to the collection of all externally visible female genitalia, including the vagina. A cunt is what one would see when viewing a so-called "spread shot" on a porn site. Also in my experience, there are significant numbers of people who confuse the word "vagina" with the whole cunt (so to speak). Rush Limbaugh is one of these -- when talking of a piece of candy shaped like a woman's "thing," he said it was shaped like a vagina. IMHO, many others make the same error. Lou Sander 04:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cunt / Vulva / Vagina 

message: In my experience in the U.S., men are rarely referred to as cunts. A cunt is first and foremost a cunt, or a woman's "thing." As a synecdoche, the word is sometimes used to refer to a woman or women, usually in a slightly derogatory way (though some of them seem to be greatly offended by such usage): "That dumb cunt Hillary," or "Duke University is just a bunch of cunts teaching feminist claptrap to unsuspecting rich kids." There's often a connotation of stupidity, foolishness or silliness when the word is used in this way. 
Also in the U.S., when a man is referred to with a female genitalia term, in my experience the preferred word is "pussy," and the meaning connotes effeminacy or non-manliness. "You're such a pussy, John... you never join us for beers," or "The Marine Corps is looking for a few good men, and the Air Force is looking for pussies."
I've never heard the sort of cunt-calling towards men and towards oneself that seems to be common in the U.K. and Australia. Lou Sander 00:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (RE: the above post) ...such as by leaving unsigned posts about calling names from places whose names are also synonymous with cunt.) And "pussy," though otherwise accurately referred to in the unsigned post, is never used in reference to senior citizens. ;-) Lou Sander 13:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Men as cunts 

message: We could use help from someone familiar with Indian languages based on Sanskrit. I believe our words on yoni are proper and correct, but I'm far from an authority. Someone could provide confirmation, or correction, or ???? Lou Sander 19:33, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yoni, etc. 

message: I'm thinking that we should all work hard to make this article as good as we possibly can. Reasons: 1)The sensitive nature of the subject (no pun intended), and 2) Young people no doubt visit this article in huge numbers, looking for "dirty words." We shouldn't let "cunt" disappoint them. Lou Sander 13:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Our obligation? 

message: Half this talk page seems to be Aussie. Anyway do people in Australia use cunt in a friendly manner (he's a silly cunt) as is indicated by the article. I haven't heard that anywhere but british TV/movies (i'm an aussie). The bellman 09:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yer a good cunt, Bellman! Here in the U.S., at least in my experience, the most common usage is as a term of disrespect for a woman. "That dumb cunt Hillary," for example. It might very occasionally be used toward a man, and in that case it would probably convey that he's effeminate, or some sort of pommy bastard, or like that. ;-) Lou Sander 13:04, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Australia 

message: The external link to  Yoni Yagna - Celebration of Cunt seems to have some legitimate application to this article, but the home page of the site cautions that it is only for people over 21. Also, the linked-to page is more about sexual stimulation than it is about the word "cunt." I'm thinking that it should be removed on those two grounds. What do you think? Lou Sander 15:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsuitable external link??? 

message: I've removed the sentence which stated that this word is ‘clearly related’ to the English word cut, which is not true.  Widsith 10:06, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology again 

message: I have heard in UK that this word was used to refer to the scabbard that a field-hand kept his sharpening stone in for a scythe.
Also in UK, Lloyd Bridges underwater series on TV, "Sea Hunt" was interpreted as C-unt.
 
Dmp224 20:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CUNT -origins 

message: The following uses are weasel words:
*"Some consider the term obscene.."
*"...yet others regard it.."
*"...term may sometimes be used ..."
*"Some consider the term highly offensive..."
*"Others consider it merely ..."
*"Some commentators argue..."
*"The word is arguably more offensive ..."
*"...often considered the most offensive word that can be used ..."
*"It is sometimes used somewhat less..."
*"Some feminists seek..."
- Davodd 08:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt that in this case we can do much about this, as is accepted by the discussion of backronym on the Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words page. Colloquial usage is almost impossible to cite authoritively. Paul B 12:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[weasel words]] 

message: Google gave no help for the source of the quote "I use the word cunt a lot, because the only way to get through to the youth of today is to use words that will grab their attention" --CliffC 02:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's a British rapper - a cut-price Eminem. Paul B 09:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can anyone help disambiguate "[[Plan B]]" in the [[Cunt#Testimonials|Testimonials]] section? 

message: A cunt cap. This one happens to be worn by a woman, but most are worn by men.
i lol'd. 2nd Piston Honda 11:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cunt Cap image