Talk:Hot Mikado

message: The only reason QBKooky won't place the names of any other high schools productions of Hot Mikado is because he only wants HIS high school to have any place in the musical's history. See the section on the interview. There should at least be a listing of other productions because HIGH SCHOOL MUSICALS MATTER JUST AS MUCH! ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY WIN PRESTIGIOUS THEATER AWARDS FROM A MAJOR CITY'S THEATER ASSOCIATION! QBKooky, get over yourself and STOP guarding this page like it's something that fell from the heavens. I think it unfair that high schools that actually do the production get no mention whatsoever, and only the one high school that had an interview with the original Ko-Ko be recognized. Therefore, it makes a missing link in the validity of this article as a whole. I agree with the listing of the very few high schools that have performed Hot Mikado.
~Anonymous
:Actually, I was the one who tried to include the list of all high schools who claimed productions of the musical, it was Ssilvers who removed the list - and with good reason. If the professional productions aren't listed, the high school productions should not be listed, either. I agree that high school musicals matter just as much, and good for you if you won prestigious theater awards from a major city's theater association - congratulations!
:My original impetus for including Ross Lehman's comments were because, frankly, I found them fascinating and, when I'm looking up musicals on Wikipedia, that's exactly the kind of interesting bits of information I like to read. Of course, as I indicated when I posted them, I had doubts about their verifiability, and have no problem with their subsequent removal.
:Ultimately, I think it's best that none of the high schools are mentioned on Wikipedia musical pages. Can you imagine what the Wikipedia pages for Guys and Dolls or Oklahoma! would look like if this was the norm? QBKooky 18:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: An even larger complaint

message: The most recent revision [] has a newly organized version of the list of high schools who have performed the play, in chronological order. I think doing this in list form is the easist way to maintain NPOV, as it elimitates the need for any drawn-out explanation of the show's casts, the reception they recieved, etc - because, for a high school production, they really aren't relevant. QBKooky 04:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: List removed.  Could add as a "See also" list of productions if you like.  Ssilvers 03:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay by me - I just figured keeping in more was less provocative to flamers then removing more. QBKooky 18:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: An Update

message: Okay, this is getting ridiculous.  I'm inclined to take out the entire "Other Productions of Hot Mikado" because it seems like it's just asking people to ego-pad the article with their whole cast list, mentioning the shock and awe of the crowd and all the ovations they got.
From Wikipedia is not: "Editors should avoid contributing to articles about themselves, their direct family or subjects in which they are personally involved, as it is difficult to maintain NPOV while doing so. Creating overly abundant links and references to autobiographical articles, or to articles in which you have a personal stake, is similarly unacceptable. ... Articles about companies and products are acceptable if they are written in an objective and unbiased style. Furthermore, all article topics must be third-party verifiable, so articles about very small "garage" or local companies are not likely to be acceptable." I would take it this would apply to small local musicals, too?  Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
QBKooky 05:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Complaint

message: The section Ross Lehman talks about Hot Mikado seems to be a write-up of a lecture the creator gave at a high school. If relevant, it should be written in an encyclopedic way, and with verifiable sources. Marc Shepherd 07:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one has been able to provide any verification for the section, so I reorganized the article and removed the section.  --Ssilvers 01:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unverified section 

message: Please do not add red links.  The easy way to link this production (assuming that it is notable and should be mentioned at all) is the way PZavon did it.  However, I think the production is probably not notable and the mention should be deleted altogether.  See WP:MUS and WP:NOTE  -- Ssilvers 21:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to Off-Monroe production

message: "Hot Mikado has sometimes been criticized for the inclusion of white actors scat singing." - removed: it is an unreferenced statement, and as such appears to be opinion rather than fact. Additionally, what exactly is wrong with white people scatting?
:That quote is actually from the Ross Lehman talks about Hot Mikado section of the page that was taken out earlier for being inappropriate (wasn't exactly cite-able, since it was all stuff that I heard him say first-hand when I got to meet him and hear him talk about the show) and I guess that quote held on because it was interesting, or maybe because it was moved into another section. Well, in any case, I see no problem with it being removed, since it is unreferenced. But yeah, some people trace scat singing back to African-American oppression, and it was offensive to them to have white actors doing it. Who knows. QBKooky 05:47, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Objectionable statement removed 

message: Near the start of the show Nanki-Poo says "My father, the J. Edgar Hoover of Japan"... I would've added this to the cast description in place of 'big cat', but decided against it. One reason for this is that I am not from the US, so don't understand what the comparison was getting at. JaffaCakeLover (talk) 23:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In The Mikado at this place, Nanki-Poo says, "My father, the Lucius Junius Brutus of his race".  It's a little joke, because Brutus was a Republican (that means he was against kings), and yet The Mikado is an emperor, so it is just a little absurdism, a "throwaway joke".  -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: J. Edgar Hoover

message: We state in the article that the cast is intended to be interracial.  An editor wishes to quote a joke from the show in which the title character (the African American Mikado comments of his Caucasian son, "There isn't much of a family resemblance".)  I think the fact that the text makes a joking reference to the interracial casting is not remarkable in this comedy, and we do not discuss other jokes in the script.  Nevertheless, in the spirit of compromise, I have added it to a footnote (currently footnote 14).  Others may disagree.  Please review WP:OR and WP:UNDUE. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:01, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Interracial casting

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