Talk:Karachays

message: * Please Excuse the Shift to Second Place.
I only do this to help edit the text for Wikipedia.
I have not touched the content of it whatsoever.
:Yours truly, I am   Ludvikus 21:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Editing]] the [[Text]] for [[Wikipedia]]

message: Thank you to ethnologists, human rights activists, and historians, together with language specialists, for their work-now to genetics on the wikipedia sites. For example, the indigeneous groups of Russia from Karachai to Mari people, to Yakuts, Ossetians (nation of Georgia), and Sakhas. However, please note that none of these groups have the history of WWII on correctly at most sites (and we now have Russia Far East), and we have had major problems in the world beginning to reoccur (Ukrainian territorial integrity, UN, 2022). 
"I started with Germany and Russia invaded Poland in 1939" from east and west-and this site begins as Germany against Russia post war, when indeed we had Winston Churchill of Great Britain, US' President Roosevelt who died shortly after Yalta Conference, and of course-Hitler (Germany) and Stalin (Russia). Yesterday, we also were informed of 1991 Russian law on the Rehabilitation of Exiled People (at republics of Russia) post UN Rights of Indigeneous Peoples.
2603:7081:2000:3EF3:24A4:539E:AAAC:B0D9 (talk) 17:47, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Indigeneous groups and WWII (to Russian invasion of Ukraine 2022)

message: :It is a pleasure for me to assist in editing
the Karachai page.
:It would be useful to have someone to talk/write to
if I'm to smooth out some of the English.
And the only name posted on this talk page is that of Dr. Ufuk TAVKUL.
Are you--or is he--Karachai by any chance?
Also, I'm just curious.
:Yours truly,  Ludvikus 21:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dr. [[Ufuk TAVKUL]]

message: : I think I am a of Khazar descent!
::Therefore am I related to the Karachays?
:::Yours truly, Ludvikus 21:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Are the [[Karachays]] Related to the [[Khazars]]?

message: : I believe the Karachays of the USA
live mostly in Paterson, NJ. Correct?
Yours truly, Ludvikus 22:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The [[Karachays]] in the [[United States]]

message: It is well known that the Alans was an more than 3000 years old and prestigious north-western iranian people of indo-european descent. During the first centuries AD, they competed with the other north-western iranian peoples of indo-european descent -the Sarmatians- over the stepe territory between the Don and Volga. After them defeat on the hands of the Huns in the year 370, they begun their westward migrations together with the Vandals, Goths and other migrating peoples. Some of the Alans settled in Ukraine, Pannonia, Gaul, Hispania and Africa (modern day Hungary, France, Spain and Tunisia) and assimilated with the local peoples. 
Some of the Alans, retreated from the stepe into the Caucasus Mountains and become the modern - day Ossetians. It is remarcable that the modern-day Ossetians are still using the north-western iranian language and they are still calling themselves "iron" (meaning "of iranian descent"). But some of the Alans, retreated into the actual area of Karachay and settled on the northen slopes of the Caucasus Range. 
After abb. 800 years, during the middle 11-th century, the Mongolian Invasion pushed the Turkic warriors of the stepes toward the Caucasus Mountains (as previousely the Huns pushed Alans)and the newly arrived Turkic tribes mingled with the Highland Alans. 
The resulting people, the actual Karachays, are a Turkic - speaking people who adopted Islam in the 15-th century. Therefore, the Karachays have some partial Alan ancestry and they did not remained faithfull to the indo-european and iranian language, as the Ossetians did. Unlike the Ossetians, they preffered to bow in the face of the Turkic warrior's force and to forgive the language and the faith of them ancestors. Even today, the Karachay are not willing to re-descover the ancient Iranian languages but they preffer to mantain the turkish speach.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.196.150.157 (talk) 12:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Got any archaeological, anthropological, linguistical & cultural proofs of your statements? Iliassh (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 19:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Alans, but Turks ! 

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: Karachays and Balkarians called themselves alancha halq - alanians. It is well known fact. Digorians call them æsson ("os", "as" people). They ARE alans since Digorians and Ironians call themselves respectively - dyguron & iron. Genetically modern Ironians and Digorians are closer to Kabardians and Adyghe people rather than Tajiks and Persians. Alans were turkic, that's obvious since they lived on territories that excended far from modern Ossetia, why then no "iranian" toponymy was found on that territories? Before arriving of Seljuk Turks to Taurus and Anatolia turkic peoples in general were called alans, avars, yasses, oses, ases, arses, jasses, Iazyges (yaslıq, jastıq), . Modern Karachay-Balkarians speak the same language as 10 centuries ago, there is no proof of any major language-change since such thing is not possible in theory. The "iranian theory" fails here.
Iliassh (talk) 18:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree here. For further complete information with sources please see: Balkars-Talk. --82.113.122.164 (talk) 12:06, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alança 

message: first of all don't stick the ossetians to the Adyghe and kabardians, because ossetians are iranic race, and they still speak iranian language, ofcourse they mixed with local caucasians after living 2000 years in the caucasus, but still they are iranic unlike Adyghe (including kabardians) speak caucasian language.
and about karachay-balkars it was proven more than one, that they are not caucasians in their origin, they are turkic people, maybe kypchaks maybe not, but it is known in history that many turkic nation came to caucasus, and the karachay-balkars are their descendents.Sawserok (talk) 11:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Iliassh 

message: Hello Illiash. I have to ask, do you have any proof of this, my friend? This link actually proves Sawserok's point.http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118745631/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
Thank You.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arash zlord (talk • contribs) 01:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Reply to Iliassh

message: The author of this article needs to revise carefully the English language content, grammar and sentence-structure.  For anyone unfamiliar with the historical and ethnic background to the events described the text is opaque in the extreme. Geoff Powers (talk) 18:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Large parts of this article are unintelligible!

message: The languages of Karachay and Balkar people seem to be very similar and they are usually treated as a single people. (Or at least that' what I 've usually seen in the academic articles.) However, the histories of those two people (as summerized in Wikipedia) are quite different. Any explanation for this discrepancy ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balkars