Talk:Christian ministry

message: I feel that the two new sections seem to be more negative than positive, and seem more like a criticism on church function than actual, resourceful information. The term "segregation" for example creates a terministic screen (see Kenneth Burke) that immediately directs the mind in a  negative direction. Since this page serves mostly as an overview of Christian religious ministries, I have revised the sections to take a more NPOV as well as to unify formatting.
I have removed the following section:
*4) Studies show that children attending Sunday Schools and youth programs are less likely to continue church involvement, compared to those who attended worship with parents, and are integrated into a community (Mark de Vries “Family-Based Youth Ministry”, 2004). Those children who continue church involvement as adults often have a ‘nominal faith’ (George Barna “Transforming children into Spiritual Champions”, 2003).
If it is to be readded, it needs to have its sources properly linked. Mark de Vries does not seem to be a highly notable person and therefore may not be an effective source.
Also, I am removing the inter-generational material as a whole. The section needs a major copy edit and revision, and doesn't actually say "what" inter-generational ministry is, how it functions, or what specifically a church does in an intergenerational ministry. Does it have a variety of songs? A specific sermon style? A specific format of the service? What is it? I am suggesting moving this to a page all its own and will create a link specifically for that purpose.
--Avery W. Krouse 07:00, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Age-specific and intergenerational sections

message: I ended up here while looking up "ministry" as it related to religion, and I noticed on the disambiguation page for "ministry" that "Religious ministry" is the only listing related to religion, and clicking on it brings one here...so, my curious nature brings me to ask if it is necessary to add the parentheseed "Christian" to it, as I understand this to only be necessary if there is a more general usage that differs from this specific usage, or if there are other equally specific usages that differ...perhaps there are these different uses but they just don't have articles yet? Thanks. bcatt 21:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title specification...curious 

message: Ministry is not something that only happens "in addition to standard church services". The people who lead those services are, after all, called "ministers." This article is largely worthless if not altogether wrong.Mangoe 02:16, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean not to seem mean, but if you believe the article needs improvement, improve it. Telling a man that he is on fire doesn't cause the fire to go away. I built this article from the ground up, had people come in and turn it all upside down, then tried to fix it again. The point of the article is to define what "religious ministry" is in terms of its parts. If you have a better definition, place it there. But frankly, "youth ministry," "missions," "worship," those are "religious ministries," both in what they are and what they do. It's just a semantics issue trying to limit it one way or the other. And for that matter, the secondary point of this article is to create a resource page for "types" of ministries. Thus, if someone clicks here from one type of ministry, they can find out about others. Again, don't tell a man who is starving that he should eat. Get him food. --Avery W. Krouse 05:01, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am planning to work on this article, and on minister, which has related problems. But if someone else gets to it first, they need to be aware that what goes on in "standard church services" is also ministry, so that they approach modification with that in mind. Perhaps "largely worthless" was too strong, but there are basic issues that need addressing, even if I do not have time right this very minute to deal with them properly.Mangoe 10:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, see, the reason I worded it as "in addition to standard church services" was to distinguish the "individuality" of the various types of ministries. Perhaps a better way to put it would be to recognize the various roles played in standard church services as ministries, but then you get into "well, is tithes and offering a ministry? is communion a ministry?" The point was to set aside those specific groupings of activities which could truly be called a ministry. --Avery W. Krouse 18:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's important to include that as a point within the article. But ushering is a ministry, and leading services (incl. doing communion) is a ministry, and so forth. One might split hairs and say that the service itself is not ministry, but the conducting of that worship is almost everywhere held to be a ministry. Mangoe 19:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with the first sentence 

message: This ministry has been attached and removed a few times. I have removed it, as it is badly written (which could have been fixed) but more because upon investigation, there is scant/no information available for this ministry on the internet. I believe it is well intentioned, but an extremely poor example for wikipedia users wanting to see these types of ministry in action, and comes across more of an advert.  84.92.158.1 18:51, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Peniel Ministry

message: :Religious ministry (Christian) → Christian ministry — Relisting discussion due to lack of activity. —harej (talk) (cool!) 23:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While "Christian ministry" sounds like a more concise title, and I am inclined to support that name for that reason, I am not sure what you mean by your statement. Do you mean to suggest that Christians don't view their religion as a religion, but as a fact of life or something like that? —harej (talk) 17:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Very funny. I guess that's why the IRS has the same question. 199.125.109.88 (talk) 15:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Is 'ministry' a term used in any other religion? If so I would oppose. But if not, I see no reason to make it seem like Christian ministry is a form of the overall usage of the term. Jujutacular (talk) 01:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: The segment on advantages and disadvantages should be reworded and retitled. As it stands, the very wording makes it POV no matter how widely accepted the content is, and as such unencyclopedic. Rewording along the lines of who thinks what, describing the voice of the minority in less words than the voice of the majority, may be a solution. I have no knowledge on these matters, so I can't do the job. Wurdnurd (talk) 16:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advantages / Disadvantages is POV 

message: From what I can tell, this article is redundant to Mission (Christianity). I'd suggest to merge potentially relevant content from here into the other article. Please discuss at Talk:Mission (Christianity)#Redundancy with Christian ministry. --S.K. (talk) 14:22, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundancy with [[Mission (Christianity)]]