Talk:D. W. Griffith

message: This article makes no references to Griffith's affiliation with either of these groups, a subject that seems to be touched upon in several journals. Can anyone expound on this subject?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zack Garza (talk • contribs) 07:37, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Involvement with CPI and Ministry of Information

message: Any information available on his mother?  If not, it seems awkward to say that he was "born to" his father alone. Southleft 05:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: mother

message: "However, after seeing The Birth of a Nation, audiences in some major northern cities also responded by rioting over the film's racial content."  The PBS article cited as a source for that claim says that there were riots in at least two Northern cities but it is not clear who was rioting or why.  The immediate context in the source also includes references to Whites motivated to violence against Blacks by the film; perhaps the film sparked White riots against Blacks, but the author of this Wikipedia entry seems to assume that the riots were expressions of anger against the film.  It's not at all clear from the source.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hadding (talk • contribs) 07:01, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: the film's reception

message: An unusual claim on the IMDB is that DW Griffith was raised by African Americans. Is this true? And if so, how did it affect his later views about them?
I'm unsure whether the phrase is a reference to being in a white household with black servants, or actually raised in a black family... a curious story, and if true, it should be included in this biography.
:: It just means that he was nursed by a black servant during his childhood. That was normal for the Southern gentry at the time and they would form close bonds with their nurses (look at Scarlett O'Hara and her nurse in Gone With the Wind). It didn't necessarily mean they would grow up without any racism (indeed, it might have made them see blacks as natural servants). That's my two cents, ayway. :) The Singing Badger 12:52, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raised by blacks? 

message: Does his film "Intolerance" provide evidence that he changed as a person?
:No not really, he wasn't trying to make up for the racsim in Birth of a Nation as often claimed. MechBrowman 00:35, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
::You are correct sir. It's a myth that Intolerance was some sort of atonement for Birth of a Nation. Intolerance was Griffith's defense of his right to have made Birth — the intolerant people, from his point of view, were those people who protested Birth of a Nation. I don't have a source handy, but that's the way I learned it in film school. --Kevin Myers | on Wheels! 15:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does his film "Intolerance" provide evidence that he changed as a person? 

message: I inserted the NPOV notice as a result of some of the comments on his achievements. I also removed the following:
*"On December 15, 1999, declaring that Griffith "helped foster intolerable racial stereotypes," The Directors Guild of America's National Board announced it would rename the D.W. Griffith Award, the Guild's highest honor."
At the DGA website, I only found the May 2000 President's Report: Focus on Diversity that is about the Award's name change. If someone finds the source for this quote they can reinsert it. -  Ted Wilkes 00:06, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV notice

message: I've added this tag because the article cites no scholarly source for its strong assertions.  It may be true that D.W. Griffith was a racist.  If so, then it should be easy to cite at least one film historian or other reputable source that says so.  The contention that films such as Intolerance were attempts at atonement for Birth of a Nation deserves discussion with arguments from both sides. Durova 04:47, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is bizarre. A person's attitudes, whether they change or not, can be discussed in the context of time. There is ample evidence of Griffith espousing racist ideology; The man had it published himself! Whether he changed his attitudes later or not is of no significance. We describe events that have happened, and succeeding events do not "cancel them out". Describe every event of significance, problem solved! This is history, not opinion. Decept404 (talk) 12:50, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced 

message: Hi! For those who like cinema and understand french, there is a very good article in french about Léonce Perret, a french director who made a part of his career in US. (here is the page in french: :fr:Léonce Perret). If somebody feel like translating it... Ajor 16:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Léonce Perret]]

message: In the article, it says that D.W. Griffith was a Republican.  Is this backed up anywhere?  I have no idea what his political leanings were, but he does cite President Wilson in the beginning of Birth of a Nation, and Wilson was a Democrat.  If Griffith was a Republican, I haven't been able to find a source confirming that fact.  I'm curious if someone has a source on that. 71.203.141.254 17:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Republican?

message: Not sure what the policy on mention wives is at wikipedia -- I always find that sort of thing interesting, both wives and children although wikipedia tends not to say much about them unless they themselves are famous. In Griffith's case, his last wife was born in 1910 and survived it seems to 2004.--Jrm2007 (talk) 15:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Last Wife survived until 2004

message: The follow section is controversial by description, unreferenced and in a BIO. I removed it. Jeepday (talk) 13:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The last line is sourced. However I'm not sure if it's sworth including on its own.  ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 18:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed unreferenced section

message: Griffith was a highly controversial figure.  Immensely popular at the time of its release, his film The Birth of a Nation (1915), based on the novel and play The Clansman by Thomas W. Dixon, was a white supremacist interpretation of history, and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People attempted to have it banned. After that effort failed, they attempted to have some of the film's more disagreeable scenes censored.  The scenes in question depict derogatory stereotypes of blacks, and white members of the Ku Klux Klan killing blacks to protect white women, which is portrayed as favorable toward the Ku Klux Klan members.  Griffith did also say that he made the film with the intention to show how the Scalawags and Carpetbaggers began to rule as tyrants with President Lincoln out of the picture. Griffith did also try to denounce prejudice in his next film Intolerance by showing how slavery was wrong because the Babylonians tried to make some slaves out of their people who didn't believe in some of the main traditional gods.  According to Lillian Gish in her autobiography, The Movies, Mr. Griffith and Me, Griffith towards the end of his life expressed an interest in making a film that would be a tribute to African-Americans, but he never got the chance to make that film.
:The last line is sourced. However I'm not sure if it's sworth including on its own.  ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 18:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 12:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers]] priority assessment

message: Are those opening lines vandalism? I know the guy had some politically incorrect and probably outright wrong things in his films (havent seen any), but to not only use "bigot" to describe him in the opening sentence or two, but to say he was a "premier bigot" whatever that means, seems rediculous, unless this was just a joke. In which case, good one, ass-SF  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.230.168.37 (talk) 06:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening Lines 

message: Deleted "Achievement" section. One more time -- Wikipedia is NOT for personal analysis or criticism.  The deleted section cited NO sources but was -- as is the bane of "anyone can edit" that Wikipedia is -- someone's big chance to publish his brilliant insights.  Please, Wikipedia is NOT for orginal research, which includes someone's own POV.  No original research is not a guideline but an official policy.  Articles are not essays or school papers. Stop abusing Wikipedia! — J M Rice (talk) 03:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not for personal film criticism 

message: Could somebody who knows how to do such things fix the formatting of the reference I added the other day (currently footnote #10) so it will match the others? I've never figured out how to do this (at my advanced age I'm lucky to have figured out how to even operate a computer.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.248.169.247 (talk) 05:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnote format 

message: I would like more than ONE users imput on this.  Wildhartlive is definitly welcome to her opinion, but I feel more input is needed.  This link (http://forgetthetalkies.com/2008/12/100-years-of-griffith-pictures-and.html) is indeed my site.  There is absolutely no other way to show this event happened.  Hollywood Heritage does not keep their events on their website and no other press seemed to have covered it.  Its definitly a nice noteworthy event (a 100 year celebration) but what else could source it?  Nothing.  Hollywood Heritage did have it on its site but what they do is once an event occurs they remove it for the next one (without looking my guess is Adrian or Laurel and Hardy are on there right now).  I am sick of these blog accusations.  Sites like  (or their variants) and  are all run by one person, and in certain cases have user contributions like Wikipedia (the PSFL list).  Those sites are allowed to link and generally added on wikipedia, I do not see what the difference between them and Forget the Talkies is.--Maggiedane (talk) 00:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be more than happy to take it to WP:WPSPAM, but note that really may be more issue than you want. First, it was removed as legitimate violations of WP:SPS, WP:V, WP:OR, and WP:ELNO. That you admit it is your site that have added back makes it a violation of WP:SPAM. It might have been a nice event, but if the only source that can be found is your own site, then it doesn't qualify as notable. It's not an accusation, you have a website that appears to be through blogspot. It's a blog. It doesn't meet the standards as a notable source or as an external link. I can't speak to the other websites, but at some point attention will turn to other sites that violate these policies. Meanwhile, there is only your word that the site owners are the ones who add the links to their site or content to articles. If so, like this situation, then that would also be a conflict of interest. At the moment, the issue is your site, which you admit is yours and that you are adding. Doing so violates policy. Wildhartlivie (talk) 08:20, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly fair enough (no major outlets covered it) though by that logic its gonna be slim pickins on Griffith for awhile.  A new theatre opened showing his films (I think its on here, maybe not) and only one local news outlet covered it and very sparsely at that.  Of course thats a whole another issue.  Im not stupid I know saying this is my site opens cans of worms.  But I am NOT spamming...I can tell you over the past few months (however long thats been on there) I've gotten probably less then 10 referrals from it...its not doing me a bunch of good or anything.  I didnt even add ads to my site until a few months back as friends insisted I should give it a try.  I do this for a love of silents and I want the information out there.  And I stand by everything I have said.  I have good solid info, and just because Im not paying $10 a month hosting doesnt make it any less so.  My links will be deleted by you either way, let other people judge it.  I welcome that.--Maggiedane (talk) 08:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 100 years screening

message: The text says, "Margaret Mitchell, who wrote Gone with the Wind, was also inspired by Griffith's Civil War epic."  Is this belief verifiable in any reliable secondary sources?  It seems Mitchell was directly influenced by the Dunning School's dominant view of slavery and Reconstruction, and by the novels of Thomas Dixon, Jr., both of which prefigured Birth of a Nation.Fconaway (talk) 06:04, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a lot of people ASSUME that but I dont know of any verifiable sources.  This article is an atroucious mess...it really needs to be cleaned BADLY.  For instance: Intolerance didnt destroy him or his finances (didnt help, but its not as dire as most think).  Ooo man someday...someday it needs cleaned!--Maggiedane (talk) 06:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:   Carolyn L Kingsley, "Margaret Mitchell and Me"  claims Mitchell was "enthralled" by Birth of a Nation, and "watched it over and over again."  However, this doesn't seem to be a secondary source.  The story is plausible, but is it verifiable?Fconaway (talk) 19:57, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Influence on Mitchell

message: I found a wonderful poster for Griffith's haunted house melodrama One Exciting Night. I put a link to it in the External Links of that movie as I dont have a Commons account and can't upload the poster myself. So if anyone is inclined , feel free to do so.Koplimek (talk) 15:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Lobby Poster: One Exciting Night

message: Infobox has his birthplace in LaGrange KY, but Early Life section has him born in Crestwood KY. Which is correct? It would be nice to have all his various birth places match somehow. The article on La Grange KY lists him as a notable person born there. I can't tell where the Crestwood reference came from. Megapod (talk) 10:09, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Griffith Born Again or Born Twice? 

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message: Noteworthy if he does have Jewish ancestry. Haps his forebears were something like Italians or French or Spanish. He is def. far too swarthy to be of fully British roots notwithstanding somehow nameholdhing British last names.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.183.116 (talk) 11:54, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  D. W. Griffith looks as if he could pass for Jewish - was he? 

message: The article states that D.W. Griffith was a co-founder of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences, but the page devoted to that organization lists its founders and he is not included.  Can anyone provide any guidance? Jnmwiki (talk) 21:27, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Co-Founder of Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences? 

message: Change "founder" to "founding" in "Griffith was also a founder member of..." 138.88.28.143 (talk) 20:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Thanks for catching that.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:32, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2020 

message: "Nevertheless, many critics have characterized both Griffith and his work (most notably, The Birth of a Nation) as white supremacist, both during his life and in the decades that have followed since his death. Historians frequently cite The Birth of a Nation as a major factor in the KKK's revival in the 20th century, and it remains largely condemned to this day."
"many critics", "both during his life"… there should be something citable, don't you think? jae (talk) 23:26, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claims without references 

message: On November 8 last year an anonymous person added to the article the claim that The Birth of a Nation attracted controversy "for its anti-Semitic views." I think it's safe to say this isn't true and that whoever added it was either misinformed or engaging in vandalism. Hence I've decided to remove it from the article. --Ismail (talk) 19:47, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth of a Nation's "anti-Semitic views"