Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Everything_Everywhere_All_at_Once#Evelyn_Quan_Wang_character_article, which is within the scope of this WikiProject.  Spinixster (trout me!) 02:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion at [[Everything Everywhere All at Once]] 

message: I added to the article about the right-wing politics of the Chinese Communist Party. See Right-wing politics#People's Republic of China. ProKMT (talk) 07:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I've given it a quick pass. Remsense诉 07:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There is more going on here than a single edit. Rather I am concerned you are pushing the WP:FRINGE POV that the Chinese Communist Party is a conservative party. This is happening across dozens of articles. In addition I'm a bit alarmed that this seems to extend generally to treatment of historical anti-western movements in China as de-facto conservative and pro-western movements both historically and in the present political clime as de-facto left-wing. Simonm223 (talk) 12:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: One of the manifestations of this is an WP:UNDUE focus on a very small group of essays and books by Yuezhi Zhao and Christer Pursiainen - frequently with vague language about "some researchers" or such when, for the most part, it's just those two. Simonm223 (talk) 12:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: And one last note is that I don't believe you are accurately reflecting the thrust of Zhao's work. Simonm223 (talk) 12:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I finished a review of the section on China in that article. Two of the sources are properly represented. The rest vary from kind of WP:SYNTH such as equating a criticism of Xi Jinping as a criticism of the CPC to entirely irrelevant such as a page reference to an article about Li Zicheng. Simonm223 (talk) 13:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese [[Right-wing politics]] 

message: There's currently a discussion to establish consensus on aspects including layout and sourcing on the Hokkien article. Input from folks would be appreciated. Remsense诉 22:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hokkien]] article and infobox 

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thread_title: Invitation to the 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest

message: Currently, there is an edit dispute in a DAB article. DAB has long been marked "Centre-right" on infoobox, and its source is presented. However, Guotaian changed its political position to "Big Tent". The source presented by Guotaian explains the 'claim' of the DAB, so Guotaian's editing is WP:SYNTH. I want other users to keep an eye on this article. ProKMT (talk) 01:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong‎]] 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sino-Xenic pronunciations#Requested move 14 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.  ASUKITE 16:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:Sino-Xenic pronunciations#Requested move 14 May 2024]] 

message: This article is in poor shape and I will try and improve it; however, I'd rather not put much effort into that if it ends up deleted due to lacking notability. I cannot speak Chinese which is what most of the sources appear to be in so I'd like conformation from anyone here that it meets GNG in Chinese sources. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the [[Laizhou Hong]] meet GNG? 

message: Wanting to see articles on elections in China, I visited this template. But to my disappointment it only links various sessions of the National People's Congress. I don't think this then serves any purpose for the title it contains. Is someone willing to improve this? Or is a better template available to redirect or merge this?
If any of this is not possible, I will move this towards a deletion nomination. Gotitbro (talk) 21:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{T|Chinese elections}} 

message: Anyone interested in joining? 48JCLTALK 03:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:Xinjiang]] 

message: needs populating with games that are not just from mainland China. It was nominated for deletion as a duplicate of a PRC-only videogame category. -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 06:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: {{lc|Chinese-language-only video games}}

message: This project is probably more active and should have users able to answer the question. Like I just posted at WPTAIWAN, 
(a) As noted since 2013, our actual article on the "Republic of China calendar" entirely omits discussion on how dates before 1912 are handled in the system. Presumably, they aren't handled at all and official practice is to just use  Julian/Gregorian dating or the old imperial lunisolar eras. However, we currently have nearly every year of human history back to 719 BC tagged with a "Minguo calendar" equivalent using the form "NNNN before ROC" followed by "民前NNNN年". Is that actually based on anything real whatsoever? Is it the right phrasing in both languages? If it's real, how does it handle the Julian/Gregorian conversion? If it ain't, what was the last date officially using the old lunisolar months?
(b) Those 4000ish year entries are possibly the most prominent use of this system in the English language but, to the extent it can be figured out, is the actual  of the system "Minguo calendar" like the infobox has, "Republic of China calendar" like our page has (partially based on mistaken parallelism with North Korea), or "ROC era" like Ngram suggests it might be (although also based on lots of discussion of mainland topics during the period 19121949)? Whichever one it is, the page and the 4000ish applications of the infobox should both be correct and should both agree. — LlywelynII 20:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I can answer, though no sources: I haven't really seen Minguo calendar used nearly as much in English. It's not used to backdate at all, it's meant as a civil calendar and saying "前民國400年" or whatever would seem intensely strange, that's just not the point of it. Remsense诉 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know you're too busy to hunt down specific sources now, but you mean you feel you have seen one of the other terms being used frequently in English? I've definitely seen Minguo as often as ROC (extremely seldomly for either but both in specific detailed contexts), versus absolutely never seeing anyone except Wikipedia writing out all of Republic of China in normal discussion of a date, but ymmv. — LlywelynII 22:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

text: I left some comments about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taiwan#So... this is awkward (ROC dating) before I saw this discussion. It seems some sources do mention years like "民國前12年", "民前12年", or "民元前12年", but I think it's more common to use Common Era years or Chinese era name years for events before the late Qing dynasty. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: So... this is awkward (ROC dating)

message: Kindly direct your comments to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years#Chinese dating (WP:BIAS/WP:UNDUE) but our current year-by-year handling of the Chinese calendar is somewhere between amusingly bad and nonsensical misrepresentation. We should fix it. Some solutions are obvious (use imperial era numbering), others will require some consensus building (handling regnal dating before the Han, how to appropriately abbreviate dating by the supposed ascension of the Yellow Emperor, &c.). — LlywelynII 22:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC about handling the Chinese calendar