Talk:James P. Hogan (writer)

message: I edited the introductory material; Hogan cannot reasonably be compared to Clarke as someone who has done his research, since he doesn't. Gene Ward Smith 21:49, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't understand: who doesn't do research? Clarke didn't do research?? Both authors certainly researched physics and other sciences for their stories. In this they were similar, but that is WP:OR without a reference. David Spector (talk) 23:39, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The OP meant - in context of standard English - that Hogan didn't do scientific research.
I challenge the flat statement that Hogan did not do research in preparing his stories. Is there any evidence either way? I've seen plenty of physics and hints at mathematics in his books, especially in Genesis and Thrice Upon, which are my favorites. On the other hand, I can believe that he did no research into topics such as politics, since his politics in his later books were extreme, biased, and naive, to say the least, geology, and medicine. David Spector (talk) 21:42, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Did Hogan do research for his books?

message: His site was redesigned and all of the links broke, so I fixed them.  What's more interesting is that the linked Holocaust article no longer existed in any form on his new website.  He makes an off-hand reference to it here(Scroll down to September 4), cryptically describing how he had merely objected to the imprisoning of revisionists and suggested the critics read the source material for themselves.  He also links favorably to the Institute for Historical Review here.Chris Croy 08:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It still seems to be there (), just scroll a little farther down or do a text search for "Free-speech Hypocrisy" to find it. It appears to be identical to the original on archive.org except the paragraph breaks are gone and it's been re-dated from February 22 2006 to March 15 2006. Bryan Derksen 03:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's odd.  I was very thorough in my search for it.  The only explanation I can give is that the article was added back in at some point between February 1st and 16th.  That or I've gone senile far before my time. Chris Croy 16:52, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a very cursory search myself back when you first mentioned its disappearance and didn't find it then, so it might well have reappeared since. No need to book a room at the old folks' home yet. :) Bryan Derksen 01:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As one who knows Jim personally, I can confirm that his site was being redesigned around that time. May I also add that he indeed does not deny that the holocaust happened. For the record, neither is he a creationist as stated. He does believe that neo-Darwinianism is flawed, but is equally frustrated that the Intelligent Design debate has been taken over, largely, by the creationists. 88.151.80.245 19:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've elaborated on the description of his position on evolution a little more, is it more accurate now? Bryan Derksen 23:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The page is constantly being re-written with inaccuracies calling the author a holocaust denier. The person doing this is copying and pasting text into the edit page, even overwriting corrected links. Is this what Wikipedia is for? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by D Glynn (talk • contribs) 20:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume I'm "this person", since I did the only major copying and pasting currently in the talk page. You may say my name freely if you like, it's not a secret and it'll make conversation a lot clearer. Anyway, two questions. First, what's wrong with "copying and pasting text into the edit page"? Excerpts and quotations for the purpose of analysis is one of the more basic fair use rights. Second, which "corrected link" did I overwrite? I've removed the holocaust denier category since it is IMO a bit too categorical in this instance but I don't believe I've misrepresented Hogan's statement on the matter, as I explained in the section with the quotation you mentioned. Bryan Derksen 23:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He could also be referring to me since I'm the one who reverted his edits earlier today. Shsilver 02:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense, though now that I check the two links in question I do still wonder what was "corrected" about his version - they both lead to the same commentary, one with paragraph breaks and the other without. What do you think of the wording tweaks and the decategorization I did subsequently, by the way? I'm trying not to go into a deep elaborate examination of Hogan's views since that strikes me as disproportionate, but I also don't want to oversimplify or omit significant examples. Bryan Derksen 04:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Fair enough on the links, Brian. The wording tweaks in relation to Evolution/Creationism/Intelligent Design are appropriate and accurate. As to the inaccurate claims of Holocaust Denial reinserted by Shsilver, I'll wait to see what James has to say himself. D Glynn 21:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When someone explains that he finds the arguments of Holocaust deniers to be more persuasive than claims that the Holocaust occurred, it is not inaccurate to state that he has espoused Holocaust denialShsilver 00:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More Misc Holocaust

message: This section is a mess of POV and links that do not support that POV without completely ignoring the nuances of what J.P. Hogan actually wrote; it needs to be reworked from scratch. Those who have strong opinions on these controversial topics, or who care about them more than the accuracy of this biography should refrain from editing this article -- that sort of editor seems to take over every controversial article and is the bane of Wikipedia. Enon (talk) 17:01, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to take out the line from 1999 James Nicoll usenet blurb about 'brain-eater'.  It's a direct source (not by 3rd party) in a Blog of posts, and not showing any relevance to Hogans life and a critic in 1999(?) by any apparent impact on his life.   While James Nicoll may be remembered for inventing the phrase and using it on a few authors, it looks like Anderson was the first, and there were enough others (at least Anderson, Hogan, Niven, and Card) to not be too notable in Hogans life.  Markbassett (talk) 00:30, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy section 

message: I see a citation needed tag that seems to have been there many years now ...
There's no section in TALK for that so I'm starting one muuuuuch later:
I can see minor support in the Guardian obituary, but am not seeing the mentioned 'many' of his works said ....
-- "Voyage from Yesteryear" is mentioned in "Anarchy and the Law"
-- "The Colonizing of Tharle" (short) for the anthology "Visions of Liberty" as a planet with no government
...but am not seeing this phrasing or a list of which items are meant.  
So can anyone point to a publication that talks about this with more detail ?  Markbassett (talk) 00:49, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed ? 

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