Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog (character)/Archive 3

message: Hi, I may be nitpicking, but in the comparison with Sonic's design in Sonic The Hedgehog and Sonic from Shadow The Hedgehog may confuse people not familiar with the games, stating that thats how Sonic looks in SHADOW The Hedgehog. So I suggest that any one who knows how to work with those programs like Photoshop or similar can take that image and remove the render from Shadow The Hedgehog and insert the one in Sonic profile to avoid confusion on newcomers, to the subject (Sonic is newer to people born later after he started to have his video game series) and, as mentioned could confuse people not familiar with the game Shadow The Hedgehog.--Czin 11:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion on appearance change through the years

message: Ok, since this seems to be controversial at the moment, here's what we know:
*Minute long trailer from E3 reveals Silver is looking for the Iblis Trigger, which is implied to be Sonic
*SEGA staff at E3 reveal during demos that Silver has been sent back from the future to stop Sonic. Also, Silver's levels are set in an apocalyptic setting with everything on fire. The earlier trailer reveals the main threat of the game will be the 'Flames of Disaster'. We can safely assume that in Silver's timeline the Flames of Disaster were released.
*A second E3 trailer, this time a minute longer. Silver's dialogue as he seemingly looks at Sonic can this time can be clearly heard as "I've finally found him...the Iblis Trigger!"
With this evidence, I think it's safe to say for now that the article can assume that Sonic is the Iblis Trigger as far as Silver knows and that Silver was sent back to stop Sonic from causing (likely unintentionally) the Flames of Disaster to be released. --HellCat86 17:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's speculation for now. Just sit tight and wait for the official details to come out. --Jtalledo (talk) 03:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Eh? You're correct we don't the full story but that's 3 official sources. It's certainly enough to mention in the article and can be changed as needed once the game is released. It's not like just making assumptions off a trailer, SEGA pretty much spelt it out at E3 --HellCat86 00:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it does warrant a mention. On a related note, I removed all the stuff from the previous games that supposedly "hint" at him being the "Iblis Trigger". It amounted to original research. --Jtalledo (talk) 16:01, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You've completly misinterpreted that section. It wasn't a list of reasons Sonic would be the Iblis Trigger, it was a list of things that imply Sonic's deeds (good and ill) were foretold in some cases and hold alot of weight. The Iblis Trigger happens to fall into that as the most recent event. I'm putting it back. --HellCat86 00:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, unless there are external sources that back up what's said in that section, it's original research. It takes some small statements from the games and draws a conclusion from them. See WP:OR#Synthesis of original research - it's the same basic idea, you take ideas and use them to advance a conclusion about something. --Jtalledo (talk) 11:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The mural is there in Sonic & Knuckles, that's fact. I believe the Japanese manual specifically mentions Knuckles misinterpreting it. The games have also made it clear that Gerald study Echidna culture in his quest to make the Ultimate Lifeform. I don't think it's coincidence that Echidna legend refers to a hedgehog of great importance, than Gerald goes and makes his creation look very similar to it. SA and SA2 is covered in in-game dialogue. The Iblis Trigger stuff, as I've already said, has been spelt out at E3 by people who work for SEGA.--HellCat86 12:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cite a source for the claims, and it has a place in its article. Otherwise, just going by what is personally seen in the games and drawing a conclusion from that is original research. Like I said, I don't have a problem with the "Iblis Trigger" stuff being there - but drawing a conclusion from observations made in the games is original research and shouldn't be there. --Jtalledo (talk) 14:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Iblis Trigger

message: *Tries desperately not to laugh*
mmmpph-- ppphg-- BWAHAHAHAH!
I never knew that Sonic had a "Real" name in the comics. If you saw that name in the comics, you'd think that Sonic was a member of a family of royalty!
Honestly, I think it's both kind of cool and wierd. Sorta like you first find out Tails' real full name is "Miles Prower" or when you find out that Billy Blaze's (Commander Keen) full name is "William Joseph Blazkowicz Jr." *sarcasm starts here* Now they'll be telling us that Knuckles has a real name! *sarcasm stops here*
But seriously, it's kind of a mixed feeling finding out that Sonic has a real name.
-Aidepikiw0000 02:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "real" name? 

message: I'm aware that Sonic has taken many forms, but I don't see why the UK's Sonic the Comic, published by Egmont Fleetway, should be omitted from this page if the decidedly dire US Archie comic is included. As such, I'm going to spend a while constructing some information on it and adding it to the page. If there are any objections, please contact me. It would be good if this could be a featured article, like Link. I'm try and clean it up a bit too. Vincentvivi 17:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the comic incarnations should be summarized about and there should be links to articles on the comics themselves for detailed information. Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie character) was created for this reason. If the Archie comic is mentioned at length in the main Sonic article, then the UK comic deserves equal weight in the article as well. --Jtalledo (talk) 18:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Egmont Fleetway Comics

message: We now have way more references than Link's Featured Article. I'd like to thank everybody in the last fortnight who has added references to the article. We all deserve a pat on the back. 
However, we need only one more citation and the article won't be listed in Articles with unsourced statements. It relates to the statement,
:* The NBA team the Seattle SuperSonics is often nicknamed the "Hedgehogs" in reference to this character.
Does anyone know about this?  I have done two google searches   and all it appears to turn up are mirrors of wikipedia.  In other words, no one ever mentioned them by this before it appeared in Wikipedia.  To me this smells is a bit fishy. Should we get rid of it? I'm an Aussie, so I don't exactly follow NBA. --DavidHOzAu 14:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I asked a couple of NBA fans about this, and they said they've never heard of it. One said when he saw the name he always thought about Sonic the Hedgehog, but had never heard anyone else refer to them that way. Mrjeff 16:05, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not an NBA fan, but I've lived in Seattle for over ten years and seen plenty of local sports coverage, and I've never once heard them referred to as the Hedgehogs, or even heard any references to Sega in the coverage.  I once heard a local sportscaster lead into his report with something like 'The Sonics couldn't grab the gold ring tonight', which might have been a Sonic reference, but that's as close as I've heard. So saying that the Sonics are referred to as the Hedgehogs at all seems dubious; saying that they're often referred to that way seems downright absurd. Kickaha Ota 18:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found ONE LINK ONLY relating the SuperSonics and "Hedgehogs". So, that sentence is not so accurate, think I'll just remove it and try the GA again! igordebraga ≠ 23:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, I'm glad to see that citation needed finally gone.  However, I noticed that the article was still listed in Articles with unsourced statements, so it seems I missed one.  It was the reference to Stay Sonic, and I've since added the reference.  The article is finally clean. --DavidHOzAu 02:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work, you guys. Paul Haymon 07:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Our article improvement drive 

message: Someone recently added additional information about Sonic's height, weight and birthday to the opening paragraph. I didn't want to make judgements about whether or not this belongs, so I just cleaned up the formatting a little. But it seems like having this info for two different timestreams -- especially in the opening paragraph -- might be just a little on the fancrufty side. Perhaps the American stats should be moved to the page for the Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie character) page? Kickaha Ota 19:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think they should be. Because AoStH, Archie/SatAM do expand on the western concept of Sonic. There is a seperate storyline between the Japanese and the west rooted from the very differences in the very first manuals of Sonic games. Western games have acknowledged the three titles listed above and for that reason I think they effectively have proven some rooting within the western game elements. So to ignore areas of importance noted in the three titles is to again arguably ignore Sonic's gaming world developed in the west. Granted its probably not necessary to go into things like the the great war and such, but just basic information about Sonic for both his Japanese and western counterparts. SonicMobius 23:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sonic's height, weight, etc.

message: Several paragraphs were recently deleted from the 'Friends' section ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%28character%29&diff=58649168&oldid=58645228 ) . This strikes me as the sort of change that shouldn't be made without discussion -- especially since the section is now so short that the Amy Rose pic extends into the 'Enemies' section on many screens, creating a very awkward look. I would revert the change, but I'm very new at this and I'm afraid I'd screw it up. Kickaha Ota 21:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Clearly there's an honest disagreement here about what the focus and bounds of this article should be; but that's the sort of disagreement that should be sorted out by discussion and consensus, not by undiscussed substantial edits. Kickaha Ota 17:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletions to 'Friends'

message: An anonymous editor recently added a 'Sonic vs. Mario' section. It's interesting, but I'm not sure how accurate or NPOV it is. It would be better if its assertions were backed up by sources. Kickaha Ota 17:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sonic vs. Mario

message: The following passage made me smile:
"Another version of Sonic worth mentioning is him in human form, as illustrated by official character designer, Yuji Uekawa. This version was only depicted in artwork and is not planned to be released in other media, such as games or television. Seeing how Yuji Uekawa helped design for the Billy Hatcher series, this depiction clearly resembles those characters. Predating this, however, was a Sonic the Comic story which featured Sonic transformed into a human version of himself via a virtual reality machine."
And illustrated on the right of this paragraph was that artwork Uekawa made for the 2001 edition of the Tokyo Game Show... and described as a "human version of Sonic". I'm really sick to read that all the times and by the same way sick of mentionning it all the times: this is NOT a human version of Sonic! This is only an illustration showing a child with a Sonic haircut. I even bet it doesn't have any relation with Sonic (except that haircut).
So, to conclude, I doubt that artwork should be used to illustrate a "human version" of Sonic. And on top of this, the person who uploaded this image grabbed it from my website (Sonic Art Archive) and "forgot" to mention the source. Also, may I add that I wrote everything there was to know about that artwork into the news of the website. But I'm sad that a few people effectively read them (yes, I know I tend to write too much unnecessary stuff but... there do are some interesting infos).
Dioxaz 19:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Human Sonic

message: ...could do with some improvement. They need to be longer and broader.  For instance, yesterday I fleshed out the introduction of Sonic the Hedgehog series and it now describes why the series is notable to an outsider. (in my opinion anyway.) We need to do more or less the same here. Why is Sonic notable? At the moment, it looks like the only notable thing about him are his stats: age, height, and weight. I know that WP:LEAD suggest four paragraphs for article of this size, but that's probably pushing it. How about we aim for two paragraphs of similar size to the series' page, or even for only one paragraph about the size of the nice long ones we have further down the article? --DavidHOzAu 09:41, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. The info taken out can be placed elsewhere on the page. --Jtalledo (talk) 22:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  However, the stats are a bit tricky. Exactly which section can the stats could appear in without breaking the flow of the article? Ideally, we should make/use an infobox so that stats can be put below the character picture. (We could do that with other characters, too.) Any suggestions for a suitable template?  (Expansion is progressing nicely, with Igordebraga holding the honors for the first edits!) --DavidHOzAu 06:26, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose it could go somewhere under the "Character" section. I don't think there are any statboxes that apply directly to video game characters. --Jtalledo (talk) 17:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is one template, maybe we can do one for Sonic. One thing we need in the intro is to CITE THE CREATORS! If Link and Mario reference Miyamoto, Knux refers to Yuda, and Tails to Yamaguchi, we need Naka and Ohshima. igordebraga ≠ 18:22, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This template is usable, but the problem is, it doesn't include specific variables for stuff like height, weight, etc. --Jtalledo (talk) 18:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sonic is not a living person, so things like height, weight, age, etc, are not really necessary. Fields like creator, debut, latest apparition, other names, nicknames, etc, are more important for a fictional character. -- ReyBrujo 19:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True. We still need to find a place to retain the physical stats though. The "Character" section still seems like a likely place. --Jtalledo (talk) 20:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest using the :Template:General CVG character template in the introduction, and then either creating a table or just using prose to give information about his physical traits. -- ReyBrujo 20:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. --Jtalledo (talk) 20:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Here's a start. (see below right.) I have created  for use with the template. I think I'll go replace the current one now.
Feel free to discuss different orderings to the fields, I might have them mixed up. Speaking of which, what does everyone think of a |url= field to an off-site profile? --DavidHOzAu 01:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I have replaced Sonic's image with a free one (it is not possible to use Fair use images at Talk pages), so it is used for demonstration purposes only. I like the infobox, although I believe there are some data that I do not really like. In example, BMI is a human statistics, you can't apply it on animals. Other than that, the other data can be considered useful. Are you sure it is not too tall that will mess the article? -- ReyBrujo 01:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think it's too big. At 1024x768, it crowds a good part of the page and some of the data is kind of extraneous. The attacks and super sections can be explained as prose in the rest of the article. The abilities section can have short description in it, with details being in the article. As for the free use image here - lol. :D --Jtalledo (talk) 01:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I got rid of artist, species, bmi, and merged the voiceactors. How does it look now? --DavidHOzAu 02:23, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it, but it's still a bit tall. Have you considered a two-column layout? It might even work well as a three-column layout, letting it occupy the full width of the screen at the very start of the "Character" section.  The leftmost column could be just the pic and caption, the center column could be the real-world stuff (artists, voice actors, etc.), and the rightmost column could be the in-universe stuff. Kickaha Ota 04:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll give it a try.--DavidHOzAu 06:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I would see if it is possible to shrink a bit more the columns. Test the box in 800x600, which is still one of the most used screen configurations to see how it looks. In 1024x768 it covers almost a third. -- ReyBrujo 03:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well any smaller and the stuff won't be legible. Generally, the two-column table is as high as the image and the caption. Reducing the amount of rows on the left only increases the individual row heights. I think the only place we *could* put a two-column table is beside the TOC. If you are talking about the width of the single column table, that's hardwired by  to be 23em. I could add a 'width' parameter to it (defaulting to 23em)... --DavidHOzAu 05:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --DavidHOzAu 05:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length of lead paragraphs... 

message: Okay, I'm editing this section right now. Information may change rapidly as the layout progresses. --DavidHOzAu 06:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would see if it is possible to shrink a bit more the columns. Test the box in 800x600, which is still one of the most used screen configurations to see how it looks. In 1024x768 it covers almost a third. -- ReyBrujo 03:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well any smaller and the stuff won't be legible. Generally, the two-column table is as high as the image and the caption. Reducing the amount of rows on the left only increases the individual row heights. I think the only place we *could* put a two-column table is beside the TOC. If you are talking about the width of the single column table, that's hardwired by  to be 23em. I could add a 'width' parameter to it (defaulting to 23em)... --DavidHOzAu 05:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --DavidHOzAu 05:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two columns 

message: For the following reasons :
* In A trailer for the forthcoming Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 game) implies that Sonic may perhaps be the legendary entity referred to by some as the 'Iblis Trigger'. Information from E3 2006 reveals Silver the Hedgehog referring to him as such, with Silver being a time traveller who has been sent back in time to stop Sonic from causing an unknown tragedy. try to remove the time mentioned (like say that a trailer for the game ... shows that ...) because we want time-free facts.
* Needs loads more citations (at least 1 for each non-cited paragraph, for now).
* The section Game specific abilities should be compelling prose instead of lists or be in a specific linked-to page.
* ... while Dark Sonic just destroys his enemies no questions asked. should remove the POV no questions asked phrase.
* Refer to WP:LEAD to adapt the lead section.
:Altough, the text flows and its easy to understand and well-balanced. Lincher 03:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that it is entirely possible to make citations to the game without something like , but that doesn't exist yet.  I honestly thought that sentence in the references section would have been sufficient for citing material from games, but apparently not. :( I'm still not sure how we should go about fixing this article. --DavidHOzAu 00:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We can fix (2) by another citation improvement drive. (Everything else is easy to fix.) Filling in these citations should give us another 21 references, bringing the total up to 47 references; If that's not enough references, I don't know what is. --DavidHOzAu 03:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA failed

message: Let's try to work out how to tackle these issues head on.  They are listed above, and numbered below with appropriate links:
# Time-free facts.
# Cite your sources.
# Do not use an embedded list without links.
# Stick to the facts.
# Size of lead section.
# Partially cited information is not fully cited.[wikilink needed]
Suggestions? --DavidHOzAu 05:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that it is entirely possible to make citations to the game without something like , but that doesn't exist yet.  I honestly thought that sentence in the references section would have been sufficient for citing material from games, but apparently not. :( I'm still not sure how we should go about fixing this article. --DavidHOzAu 00:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We can fix (2) by another citation improvement drive. (Everything else is easy to fix.) Filling in these citations should give us another 21 references, bringing the total up to 47 references; If that's not enough references, I don't know what is. --DavidHOzAu 03:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brainstorming 

message: His name is officially Sonic The Hedgehog(with the "T" capitalized). This is how Sega has has always spelled it and how they registered it. Spelling it "Sonic the Hedgehog" is incorrect. TJ Spyke 00:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Per convention, second and following words other than the, a, an, etc, aren't capitalized. -- ReyBrujo 00:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of which, I have noticed quite a bit of rubbish has been added to the article since the disambiguation got removed.  I'll revert it to stop people from putting stuff that isn't game-canon into the article. (and resubmit that Sonic 2 disambig and small grammar fix in the Cameos section while I'm at it.) --DavidHOzAu 02:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "The" in "Sonic The Hedgehog" is Sonic's middle name, so it must be capitalized. -- Dremora 21:28, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exaclty, when Sega registered the character they marked his middle name as "The", so his correct name "Sonic The Hedgehog". It would be the same as spelling Richard Dean Anderson's name as"Richard dean Anderson". Until the page is moved I will make a not of it. TJ Spyke 19:18, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic The Hedgehog 

message: Despite Sonic being extremely popular back in the early 90's, I do not remember anyone saying he had a nationality, specifically Australian. If so, then what is up with someone adding that to the 'Fictional Australians' group? --VelocityEX 9:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard of that, but I haven't seen anything that suggests the "Christmas Island" that Sonic was born from was the same "Christmas Island" in Australia; before Sonic Adventure, there was no suggestion at all that the Sonic games took place on Earth. It sounds like fan speculation to me. -- VederJuda 10:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For evidence, see the corresponding citation.  I don't care if the category goes; "Christmas Island" could even be Kiritimati.  However, Christmas Island, Australia is the more commonly known one.  I didn't even know about Kiritimati until I saw the disambig-link at the top of the Christmas Island article. --DavidHOzAu 07:25, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic Australian? 

message: Hey,hey,hey.Hold up, why does the archie/american version os Sonic have his own article?Shouldn't the Sonic the Comic Sonic get an article for himself as well?-Centurion Ry
:You mean like this? BlazeHedgehog 20:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Blaze is right.  Also, all Sonic articles can be reached from Sonic the Hedgehog series. --DavidHOzAu 10:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fleetway Specific Article 

message: Im surprised that there are no "Sonic Adventure" styled pictures on this page. Not only is it the longest running style of sonic art but it is the most recognisable. I didnt want to change or add a picture myself because of the control put on this article but its definitly an impromement from the multiple 3d pictures and the Sonic X pixtures(which dont really relate to the "official" segasonic universe at all.)-RossyMiles 12:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adventure Styled Pictures 

message: ...until we are out of the category, "Articles with unsourced statements" (now defunct).  They are:
* That Blaze is similar to Sonic (or that Blaze shares characteristics with Sonic)
* That Shadow and Sonic have fought and argued with each other whenever they meet in every game since [Sonic Adventure 2]
* That Dark Oak is eventually destroyed by a blast from the Sonic Driver
About the Blaze bit, I have read Blaze's profile at Concept-Mobius and apparently, she isn't that much alike.  (In fact she has a somewhat more reclusive attitude towards others and herself when compared to Sonic's opinion about similar matters.)  However, from an out-of-universe perspective there really isn't much difference; both jump, have to go to the right to get to the end, etc.  Thus, as it stands, the entire section on Blaze's relation to Sonic is somewhat flawed (probably because I wrote it) and gives the reader the wrong impression.  Does anyone have any ideas on making the article more accurate?  --DavidHOzAu 05:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three more citations needed 

message: Great... while we wait the approval of the GA team, two  appear...
Some say Metal Sonic is still Sonic's true rival, as Shadow is acting a bit more like a friend than a rival. [citation needed]  Metal Sonic's current location is unknown to everyone, except possibly Omega and Shadow, who were seen with his crumpled frame at the end of Sonic Heroes. Although it is speculated that Metal Sonic was destroyed, [citation needed] this is unlikely; Metal Sonic might come back again in future games, as it is hinted in Heroes that Sonic and Metal Sonic are still rivals to the end, when the two make a mutual vow to battle again.
Somebody fix this, please!
igordebraga ≠ 19:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu 02:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced statements 

message: Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Weak Oppose Wikipedia usually prefers common usage to funny spellings made up by ad agencies and marketing departments, because usage is stabler. The ad guys could have another brainstorm tomorrow. So unless people actually write Sonic The Hedgehog (I have no idea), this should stay put. Septentrionalis 21:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Comment That's either someone who forgot to sign in, or a very odd first contribution to Wikipedia. You should start by, you know, writing an article or something. :) Kickaha Ota 21:49, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I hope no one minds, but I've updated Sonic's picture. UnDeRsCoRe 21:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with it and I like it, but because we've had some lame edit wars about the picture, someone might challenge it, and we'll have to have another survey. Sonic3KMaster(鉄也)(talk) 23:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

text: We cannot legally edit fair use pictures. --DavidHOzAu 03:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Ignore all rules is said for Wikipedia rules. You can't apply that to things with Copyright. There is not a HUGE difference between both pictures to justify editing one, when the other is fine enough. -- ReyBrujo 02:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture Update

message: If you play Sonic Adventure games or watch Sonic X in Japanese, you'll notice that Sonic uses alot of english phrases. In fact, in Sonic X, Sonic usualy says at least one thing in english per episode
I think it's like his personality... or something worth mentioning at least
They do that all the time in Japanese entertainment. In Super Smash Bros. Melee, pretty much everyone (excluding Mario, Luigi, Dr. Mario, Peach, Yoshi, Bowser, DK and the Pokémon) does the same thing. Seriously, people have known about this for over eight and a half years. Shadoman 14:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese use of English? 

message: Guys, the image at the top of the page :Image:Sonic_next-gen.png doesn't have a FU rationale, and this means that the article would fail part 6a) of the criteria. Could someone correct this and check all other images in the article have FU rationale and source information. Thanks, Alexj2002 00:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Criteria 6a 

message: As a next step I would suggest that the various lists under the appearances section be moved into their own article along with other unnecessary objects to comply with WP:SUMMARY. Then I would suggest trying for FAC. Tarret 15:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Passed

message: yeah, he can do evry thing sonic can, and they look pretty the same.
shadow has also said that sonic looks like his ``TWIN´´.
SO WHY NOT. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.200.164.254 (talk • contribs) .
That can't be true! No way can that be true! Anonymous65.87.191.22 23:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  shadows clone ? 

message: So far I've reverted twice an attempt to add unsourced, unverifiable information regarding voice work supposedly done for the next-gen Sonic. The statements I removed say that a "hack-team" found a "secret page" on an unspecified site stating the names of voice actors. Rather than get into an edit war, I'd like to get some discussion going here with whoever is adding these -- one was an anon user, the other appears to be a new account. If we can get some kind of citation for the information, then maybe it can stay -- even though, honestly, it's not very good or useful information, and encourages site hacking. --Darksasami 22:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced "hack-team" findings 

message: Per the suggestion in #GA Passed, I forked off the book section to List of Sonic the Hedgehog printed media. Now we need a really tight summary of it and we are done. --DavidHOzAu 06:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book section 

message: Sorry if this is a dumb question, but where is this X Factor stated from official sources?Czin 00:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you; there is reason for deleting it because as you say it did improve the article.  The problem is that we need a suitable place to move the content to (hard: the "Stay Sonic" references don't seem to fit into just one universe), or think of a better way of wording it (harder: we have had how many people trying to fix this already). The other thing is that the article feels a bit naked without other content to replace it... almost as if it isn't a good article.  It might just be my liking long articles over smaller ones, though. --DavidHOzAu 00:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  X Factor? 

message: Forget the X-Factor, what about the rest of the article?  What really needs to be explained is this.  Can someone please explain why all the text on the left has disappeared?  In particular, it has removed nearly all references from Sonic the Comic that have been accepted by games or does not contradict them.  The reason why it was there is because we don't have an article about Sonic the Hedgehog (Fleetway character) yet; this article is about the video game character, but it is also a portal to the other incarnations of Sonic too.  I have no qualms about the extra text which can be incorporated into the article, or the removal of certain listcruft, but the article has gone back a month or two.  I know I've been busy at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Sidebar redesign, but this is ridiculous.  I'll try to work what I remember back into the article again; when I'm done I hope to have over fifty references and a balanced article again. --DavidHOzAu 07:18, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you; there is reason for deleting it because as you say it did improve the article.  The problem is that we need a suitable place to move the content to (hard: the "Stay Sonic" references don't seem to fit into just one universe), or think of a better way of wording it (harder: we have had how many people trying to fix this already). The other thing is that the article feels a bit naked without other content to replace it... almost as if it isn't a good article.  It might just be my liking long articles over smaller ones, though. --DavidHOzAu 00:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the ? 

message: I suggest that information on all of the Super Forms be merged into one article.  The transformations section rivals the length of Super Sonic's article.  Since people want to shorten the pages so much, this might be a good idea. Grandmastergalvatron 17:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Merge 

message: What, exactly, needs to be done at this point?  Point me in the direction of fixable errors or improvable prose.  I want this article to be a featured one, blast it all. Paul Haymon 07:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO the "Destiny" section is very weak, and full of speculation of things like "Sonic could be the 'controller' of the Emeralds, but later in the game it's implied that it's the Master Emerald". The Sonic Adventure quotations seem to be more about the Chaos Emeralds than Sonic. At least, I think it should be moved below the "Home" section. --Nick RTalk 22:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I'll do what I can when I can. Paul Haymon 01:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Do? 

message: There are spoilers randomly throughout the article, but no spoiler tag... Paul Haymon 07:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I didn't know that.  However, it seems like a policy that ought to be revised, since it seems to lead to lazy editing, especially with organization issues. Paul Haymon 01:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilers