Talk:Oxford Movement

message: Much of the upheaval in Victorian England (including the Oxford Movement) is traceable to the effects of the Industrial Revolution.  Many traditional farmers were forcibly removed from their land to free it for sheep and wool production.  These displaced people had two choices, flee to Manchester, or borrow the means to flee to the Colonies (indentured servitude).  Religious leaders in the South of England were very much aware of the human suffering in the North, and openly criticized it.  This began a war of words between divines favoring "progress", industry and liberalized views of faith (in the North) versus conservatives who denounced the effects of the Industrial Revolution as ungodly (in the South).    
Ref: "Democracy, Science and Industrialism (The Victorian Ag, 1832-1880), as found in "The Literature of England, An Anthology and a History", Volume 2, From the Dawn of the Romantic Movement to the World War. Edited by Woods, Watt and Anderson (1941).  
See also Edward G. Engh, "Critical Thinking: Readings from the Literature of Business and Society" 2nd Ed. Pearson, Boston, 2013, pp. 353-374. 
Economist Galbraith compares the social effects of the Industrial Revolution, such as the "Highland Clearances" to other great human tragedies.  Ref: "The Age of Uncertainty", Houghton Mifflin, Boston, 1977, pp. 11-42.
:Your case is slightly excessive: the Highland Clearances were 1746-7, and predate the Revolution (Watt's steam engine was 1776), so that detail's vwrong. What was actually going on is that in the aftermath of the Napoleonic Wars, Corn Laws favoured mercantile interests which discriminated heavily against the poor, forcing them off the land. We saw similar authoritarianism after WW2, in both instances losing credibility after some 15-20 years. This led to the rise of Methodism and Baptism as forms of disestablished faith, threatening the Church of England. Similar activity in belgium saw the power behind the throne place his eldest daughter Anna de Meeus at the head of the displaced lacemakers firstly restore church fittings before turning to head the Eucharistic Renewal, attracting John Henry Newman to Catholicism. Some connection is through Charlotte Bronte, who had been Edward Benson's childhood governess, before a year and a half in the same circle as Anna. Edward went on to become Archbishop of Canterbury.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.68.80.209 (talk) 09:10, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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message: There are a lot of names being thrown at people in the introduction. Should it be limited to just the most notable? Perhaps it could be included elsewhere in the article? When I see too many names (and sometimes just too many wiki links) I tend to skip over a section. I postulate that other people do that as well. Killiondude (talk) 06:47, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That was because the Tabernacle Societies were simply a local version of the Eucharistic Renewal expressed in terms suitable for local culture. They reported to Anna de Meeus' ArchiAssociation of the Eucharist. The Oxform Movement likewise, as seen in John Henry Newman's conversion, and then in JRR Tolkein's mother's affiliation to the Birmingham Oratory, who took him in on her death. That is equally reflected in CS Lewis' relationship with Joy Davidman.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.68.80.209 (talk) 09:57, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: One very significant effect is completely missed, the replacement of the West Quire with an organ. The performers of the Quire were usually anyone who could play an instrument, and they were generally also most welcome the previous evening in the local hostelries, for exactly the same reason. The result was that performances were frequently variable.
The replacement of the hungover second-rate local hackers and bangers with someone formally trained in piano, and later organ, playing, meant the clergy had greater control over the congregation, and the capacity to drown out dissent with a well-timed blast.
It had a secondary effect of resuscitating the reputations of a number of German composers, whose corpus of works for the organ had fallen into some disuetude.
The handover is clearly documented by Thomas Hardy, whose father was a Quire player, in Under The Greenwood Tree. It is also a minor theme of Trollop's The Barchester Chronicles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.218.129.144 (talk) 08:58, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The effect of the Oxford Movement on Church Music 

message: The final two paragraphs of “Influence and Criticism” cover a lot of ground but cite no sources. Someone more familiar with this area should remedy that. Claims and facts need third party sources.  Josh a brewer (talk) 21:47, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs sources