Talk:Names of Korea

message: FACTS: NAMES OF KOREA: PUYO KINGDOM: KO-CHOSUN: KORGUYO KINGDOM: NAME (KORYO DYNASTY, ENGLISH NAME KOREA DERIVES),  BAEKJE KINGDOM, SHILLA KINGDOM, KAYA KINGDOM, KORYO DYNASTY, CHOSUN DYNASTY.  MODERN NAME KOREA OR KOREAN PENINSULA.  PAST 5 THOUSAND YEARS KOREAN PENINSULA HAS BEEN INDEPENDENT NATIONS UNLIKE ISRAEL, IRELAND, ITALY.  Koreans FOUGHT WARS FROM CHINA, MONGOLIA, JAPAN, RUSSIA, USA.  Koreans LIVED IN KOREAN PENINSULA. Koreans NEVER LEFT HOMELAND.
Nanshu: I found an article on the Web whose wording is almost identical to this article: http://www.geocities.com/neue_strassenbahn/chosunhan.html.  Did you write that article, or did that Web site use this article?  I am concerned because that Web site (main page: http://www.geocities.com/neue_strassenbahn/index.html) is definitely POV.  --Sewing 17:57, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you are welcome to your own opinions, and I agree that some of the stuff you mention on that Web site is "tondemo," to use the Japanese word.  Nevertheless, some of your comments on that site bothered me; but that's your personal business.  Anyhow, I see that you did not copy over the POV material, so I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.  --Sewing 16:33, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
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message: it seemed to me to be a bit too much, mostly japanese pov, detail for this article. parts may be relevant, accurate & appropriate for the article, but given the article length & scope, already somewhat speculative, we should draw the line somewhere for technically detailed conjectures. Appleby 01:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: mikhail, do you have a source for 코리아어? i can barely find anything from my searches. is it official/established enough to belong in an encyclopedia? thanks. Appleby 16:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  코리아어? 

message: I created the article "Land of the Morning Calm" and it seems to now redirect here. I don't think it should do that as it's difficult to even find "Land of the Morning Calm" in all this text. Instead, I think the "Land of the Morning Calm" article should be restored with a "See also Names of Korea" link. Thank you.--Sir Edgar 00:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i don't know if a nickname is itself significant enough for a separate encyclopedia article. perhaps you'd like to gather & organize the subtopic more clearly & prominently here? just a suggestion. Appleby 05:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Land of the Morning Calm" is, according to A. Henry Savage-Landor, the meaning of cho-sen, which he contended was the name the native people used for their land/country.  His 1895 description of how Corea came to named is as follows:
From: Corea; or Cho-sen
The name Corea, or Korea, you may as well forget 
or discard as useless, for to the Corean mind the 
word would not convey any definite idea. Not even 
would he look upon it as the name of his country. 
The real native name now used is Cho-sen, though 
occasionally in the vernacular the kingdom goes by the 
name of Gori, or the antiquated Korai. There is no 
doubt that the origin of the word Corea is Korai, 
 28 COREA 
which is an abbreviation of Ko-Korai, a small kingdom 
in the mountainous region of the Ever White Moun 
tains, and bordering upon the kingdom of Fuyu, a 
little further north, whence the brave and warlike 
people probably descended, who conquered old Cho 
sen. The authorities on Corean history, basing their 
arguments on Chinese writings, claim that the present 
people of Cho-sen are the true descendants of the 
Fuyu race, and that the kingdom of Ko-Korai lay 
between Fuyu on the northern side and Cho-sen on 
the southern, from the former of which a few families 
migrated towards the south, and founded a small king 
dom west of the river Yalu, electing as their king a 
man called Ko-Korai, after whom, in all probability, 
the new nation took its name. Then as their numbers 
increased, and their adventurous spirit grew, they 
began to extend their territory, north, south, and 
west, and in this latter direction easily succeeded in 
conquering the small kingdom of Wuju and extending 
their frontier as far south as the river Tatung, which 
lies approximately on parallel 38° 30". 
During the time of the " Three Realms " in China, 
between the years 220 and 277 A.D., the Ko-Korai 
people, profiting by the weakness of their neighbours, 
and therefore not much troubled with guerrillas on the 
northern frontier, continued to migrate south, conquer 
ing new ground, and so being enabled finally to estab 
lish their capital at Ping-yan on the Tatong River. 
After a comparatively peaceful time with their northern 
neighbours for over 300 years, however, towards the 
end of the sixth century, China began a most micidial 
war against the king of Ko-Korai, or Korai, as it 
 GLANCE AT COREAN HISTORY 29 
was then called, the " Ko" having been dropped. It 
seems that even in those remote days the Chinese had 
no luck in the land of Cho-sen, and though army after 
army, and hundreds of thousands of men were sent 
against them, the brave Korai people held their own, 
and far from being defeated and conquered, actually 
drove the enemy out of the country, killing thou 
sands mercilessly in their retreat, and becoming 
. masters of the Corean Peninsula as far south as the 
River Han. 
To the south of Korai were the states of Shinra and 
Hiaksai, and between these and Korai, there was for a 
couple of centuries almost perpetual war, the only 
intervals being when the latter kingdom was suffering 
at the hands of the formidable Chinese invaders. But 
as I merely give this rough and very imperfect sketch 
of Corean history, to explain how the word Korai 
originated and was then applied to the whole of the 
peninsula, I must now proceed to explain in bold 
touches how the other states became united to 
Korai. 
After its annexation to China, the Korai state 
remained crippled by the terrible blow it had received, 
for the Ko-Korai line of kings had been utterly ex 
pelled after having reigned for over seven centuries, 
but at last it picked up a little strength again through 
fresh migrations from the north-west, and in the second 
decade of the tenth century a Buddhist monk called 
Kung-wo raised a rebellion and proclaimed himself 
king, establishing his court at Kaichow. 
One of Kung-wo's officers, however, Wang by name, 
who was believed to be a descendant of the Korai 
 30 COREA 
family, did away with the royal monk and sat himself 
on the throne, which he claimed as that of his ancestors. 
Coming of a vigorous stock, and taking advantage of 
the fact that China was weak with internal wars, Wang 
succeeded in uniting Shinra to the old Korai, thus con 
verting the whole peninsula into a single and united 
realm, of which, as we have already seen in the first 
chapter, he made the walled city of Sunto the capital. 
Wang died 945 A.U., and was succeeded by his son Wu, 
who wisely entered into friendly relations with China, 
and paid his tribute to the Emperor of Heaven as if he 
ruled a tributary state. In consequence of this policy 
it was that Corea enjoyed peace with her terrible 
Celestial rival for the best part of two centuries. 
Cho-sen, then, is now the only name by which the 
country is called by the natives themselves, for the 
name of Korai has been entirely abandoned by the 
modern Coreans. The meaning of the word is very 
poetic, viz., " The Land of the Morning Calm," and is 
one well adapted to the present Coreans, since, indeed, 
they seem to have entirely lost the vigour and strength 
of their predecessors, the Koraians. I believe Marco 
Polo was the first to mention a country which he called 
Coria ; after whom came the Franciscan missionaries. 
Little, however, was known of the country until the 
Portuguese brought back to Europe strange accounts 
of this curious kingdom and its quaint and warlike 
people. According to the story, it was a certain 
Chinese wise man who, when in a poetic mood, baptized 
Corea with the name of Cho-sen. But the student of 
Corean history knows that the name had already been 
bestowed on the northern part of the peninsula and on 
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a certain portion of Manchuria, and that it was in the 
year 1392, when Korai was united to Shinra and the 
State of Hiaksai became merged in it, that Cho-sen 
became the official designation of united Corea. The 
word " Corea" evidently is nothing but a corruption 
of the dead and buried word " Korai." 
Bkobres 22:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect from article "Land of the Morning Calm" 

message: Perhaps how "Korean War" is called by the 2 Koreans, various groups of Chinese, Japanese, and Vietnamese should be mentioned? See also zh:朝鮮戰爭. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 17:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korean War 

message: The article includes this passage explaining the meaning of "大韓民國" (대한민국: the official name of South Korea): 
民國 = 民 ‘people’ + 國 state/nation’ = ‘republic’ in East Asian languages. 
I'd like to clarify that the term in fact is an abbreviation of 民主國家 (민주국가) -- lit. "democratic state" or simply "republic" (in one of its senses) -- hence the translation "Republic of Korea". All according to YBM Si-sa's "대한민국 나라말 사전".
The article needs a serious overhaul anyways; I might give it a go this weekend. --Himasaram 06:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looked up the word in 広辞苑 (kojien) but its use in the Japanese language seems to be limited to the Republic of Korea plus the Republic of China (中華民國). Just an observation. --Himasaram 02:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When commodore Perry opened up Japan to the world, Japanese thinkers and scientist started soaking up all the knowledge they could get from abroad. This included such studies as philosophy, sociology and politology. However, no real terms existed in the Japanese language or in the Chinese for even the most basic (Western) philosophical and politological notions, so they pretty much invented them from scratch. Later, when Chinese thinkers and scientist were introducing such Western notions into their language, they loaned the Japanese compound words. So basicaly, words denoting modern day concepts like "nation", "democracy", "philosophy" and the like were "invented" by the Japanese and transfered to China. Talk about historical irony. TomorrowTime 02:19, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The meaning of 민국 (minguk) 

message: I just removed a link to . There is only one commercial ad on it, but the content looks too similar to kushibo's "work in progress", although it is longer than that and has more images, and comes to a more extreme conclusion. I'm not sure whether the similarities are coincidental and which page is older, but if one used the other it should say so. I haven't read it – is there any well-referenced statement that's not already in Kushibo's post? There also is some weird JS in the site that prevents the use of PgUp/PgDn, which by itself wouldn't be reason enough to remove it. Wikipeditor 18:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: Can we change the misleading "Subjects of former Goryeo" to "Koreans"?  After all, it wasn't like subjects of Goryeo left it and moved to Central Asia. Wikipeditor 18:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goryeoin 

message: 『In 1897, the nation was renamed to Daehan Jeguk (, , literally, "Great Han Empire", known in English as Korean Empire), in reference to the Samhan.[citation needed]』 from the present version of the article.
The story is VERY VERY well-known in South Korea.
The other reason why Korea chose "Han" as the new name of the nation was the So-Junghwa Sasang (: "Little Sinocentrism").  According to Zhonghua Sixiang (: "Sinocentrism"), the suzerain(=an Empire not a Kingdom)'s name must be named as ONE letter. Chinese dynasty of the age Qing has also one-letter name. At that time, Koreans didn't break from  yet, so chose the letter Han (). (I didn't find good references of this story yet. A similar story is written in ko:대한제국.) ― 韓斌/Yes0song (談笑 筆跡 다지모) 15:04, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why did Gojong choose "Han" as the new official name of Korea -- the Reason Why: 

message: this is moved from the Notes section of the main article because it seems meant for the discussion page:
"Subjects of former Goryeo who moved to Russian and Central Asia call themselves Goryeoin (고려인; 高麗人; literally "person or people of Goryeo"), or корейцы in Russian." - this is a common mistake found in some English websites! 
Koreans who live in Russia and former USSR are not "Subjects of former Goryeo”, they started to migrate to the territory of former Russian Empire only since the second part of 19th century. But Goryo was overtaken by Joseon dynasty in 1392! 
The Russian words кореец/koreets - singular or  корейцы/koreytsi – plural, are not the forms of Korean word Goryeoin but originates from the western name of Korea (Корея/Koreya in Russian) so in Russian, кореец/koreets means a person from Korea or of Korean origin but not a person from medieval Goryo!
85.116.207.246 (talk) 00:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Koreans in Russia 

message: it appears that Haedong ("east of the sea" or similar) is also used as a historical or archaizing name for Korea. As in, e.g., Haedong Goseungjeon. Any reason this isn't listed? dab (𒁳) 14:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to say the same. Perhaps whoever compiled the list preferred its replacement Daedong. Wikipeditor (talk) 03:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Haedong?

message: Quoting A-cai at the English Wiktionary talk page for  “Korean language” about Wikipedia's “Names of Korea” article which asserts that the Mandarin pronunciation of  “Korean” is “xiǎn with a falling-rising contour tone”:
I am curious where the IP who inserted the wrong statement in “Names of Korea” and whoever contributed this entry to an online dictionary got their information from. Perhaps a misprint in some widely-used dictionary? Wikipeditor (talk) 03:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone of <big>{{lang|zh-cmn-Hant|鮮}}</big> in <big>{{lang|zh-cmn-Hant|朝鮮}}</big> “Korea” 

message: = Chosun = Djoson = Choseon = Joseon    Böri (talk) 14:05, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Tyosen

message: The article should mention what Daehan Minguk literally means in english, like it does already for other terms. It only provides the the translation The republic of Korea which is not a literal translation. --217.149.169.29 (talk) 00:18, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of Daehan Minguk 

message: Please don't add more writing unless it's sourced; the article is pretty egregious at the moment. Way too much unsourced writing. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 03:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  In dire need of sources