Talk:Autodesk Maya

message: Please Add these useful link to external links - 
*CGIndia New, Maya Scripts, tutorials, Free 3d Models and Textures!
*AREA Autodesk's Official CG Portal for 3ds max and maya !
--Wiki187 16:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont think the CGIndia site is relevant enough, EL and SPAM issues aside.  AREA is far less questionable, but I'm still for keeping it off since it's a portal rather than a specific article or resource. --Ronz 20:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The burden is on you is to demonstrate the value of your edits.  Also, your personal attacks against me are not appreciated. --Ronz 15:47, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External Link

message: Maya was the refactored source code of several companies software. Mainly TDI (Thompson Digital Image) Explore, Wavefront TAV (The Advanced Visualizer) and Alias Poweranimator. Wavefront purchased TDI, SGI purchased Wavefront and Alias, and merged them all together into one company. This was to combat Microsoft's purchase of Softimage, which was seen as a threat to the computer graphics industry at the time as Microsoft has a tendency to purchase companies not for the purpose of bettering a industry but to often exploit the market which as a result drives everyone's products into obsoletion. Alias and Wavefront were such competitors that the slogan for the merging of the two companies was "Watch the sparks fly". It took two years to produce even though it was advertised to be out in one.. The initial release was not without bugs. And it was later revealed that the animation that was used to sell Maya to the world "Bingo" was mostly keyed (interpolated) vertices, which practically any animation package could be used to do. This is not unheard of for demos, for example the Amiga Boing Ball was used to fool consumers into thinking the computer could be used to do realtime 3D graphics when really it was just a 2D cycled 32 color sprite.
TDI Explore brought to the table: 
IPR Interactive photorealistic renderer, which stored detailed rendering information with image files so that 
texturing changes could be made to full resolution screen shots in realtime without re-rendering the entire image. 
3Design, a interface-free pop-up menu driven NURBS/Polygon modeler with surface shaping brushes, polygon cutting tools and face/edge-oriented modeling, edge/face/vertex/cv normal modification. Practically all of Maya was influenced by this application and Alias Poweranimator. 
Wavefront brought to the table very little specifically.. 
Kinemation.. The concept of using lattices on joints came from Kinemation. Though Kinemation's system relied on splines for handle paths, this required a complete history of the character motions to determine the orientation of limbs. This permitted a quick style of character animation using only handles, it was hard to manage, and often left one to put handle chains at every joint, which is not but different than Alias Poweranimator's limited one/two joint chains. 
Alias Poweranimator brought: 
Post production rendering effects like glow overs.. Clusters (vertex grouping used in skin control). Rigging controls (usually associating relative vertex keys with a slider, for facial animation, and via clusters the ability to control other objects like IK handles). Parametric surfaces (slow, non-interactive recomputed surfaces used for joining NURBS) and surface cutting tools (using a "curve on surface" to undefine surfaces enclosed by the curve). Many of Alias' tools were unimpressive post-production effects that wowed everyone but the low-level developers, not unlike Microsoft products. It was Alias' management and business prowess that made the company, and overtook the company name because it had been well advertised and TDI was a european package that was not well known in the USA and Canada where Alias' products were being pushed.    
PS- Also note that many of Alias Poweranimator's features would work well in tutorials but when one strayed from the features exploited in the tutorials, bugs would be revealed that made it tough if not impossible for serious animation work. Causing one to think that the entire interface was developed in collaboration with the tutorial designers, not in a working in-house animation environment.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.199.36.3 (talk) 17:03, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:   That seems like an opinionated and emotional presentation of history.  Wavefront Dynamation: Wavefront brought the all of dynamics,  particles and animation (Kinemation) to Maya and we very involved with the design of the product. Being on the west coast, was also the link to Hollywood VFX (TDI was in France, alias in Toronto).  MEL is based on Dynamation's Sofia, as stated in the article.  As written below, Maya's NURBS are based on AGlib library from Applied Geometry and a new user interaction model was designed for Maya (alias had a UI research team that includes people like Bill Buxton). However, I'm told TDI worked on the low-level polygon mesh implementation.  Note that you cannot really "refactor" three totally different applications together in two years to make a new product, that's more of a marketing concept.  70.42.29.3 (talk) 16:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was a TDI Explore demo artist, and the last version of Explore had a very powerful NURBS modeler that has more in common with the one in Maya than the what Poweranimator had. It's been years since I used it, but you could cut surfaces by projecting a curve onto the surface and doing a Boolean operation. K8 fan (talk) 10:28, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maya's real beginnings 

message: I think this article is awful. Combined with what's been said above (particularly the 'Maya this, Maya that' and the other 'clean-up' heading), this article contains lots of buzzwords (already tagged), and most of it appears to be copy-and-paste (especially where it refers you to somewhere that isn't in the article). I've found a few places with incorrect grammar as well.
Should this article be flagged? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marshmello (talk • contribs) 21:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up tag? 

message: should it be referenced somewhere that south park is made with this program? Shadowcelibi 16:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? - Skaraoke 07:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Maybe we could make a List of TV Shows using Maya Article? --65.30.72.135 (talk) 04:43, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: south park

message: *Highend 3D Lot's of free downloads for Maya and 3D Studio Max.
*Infinitee Designs Hundreds of tutorials for Maya and 3D Studio Max as well as other 3D programs.
*3D BuzzV ideo tutorials for Maya and 3D Studio Max and others.
*Learning Maya Lot's of tutorials and other infomation.
69.19.14.40 14:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They all are inappropriate for the article.  See WP:EL and WP:SPAM. --Ronz 15:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Highend3d (nee Lumis) is a fairly respectable Maya resource. It may look like a mess but it's been around as long as Maya has. I don't personally like the site but it's to the detriment of the already shambolic article that it is omitted. 87.194.196.118 01:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some other useful Maya links

message: *i think the history section is completely based on this paper by Casey Alt, so it should probably be cited somewhere:
*"The Materialities of Maya: Making Sense of Object-Orientation" (2002) in Tim Lenoir, ed., Makeover: Writing the Body into the Posthuman Technoscape, Two-Part Special Issue of Configurations, Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2003-2004, Part I, Configurations, Vol 10, Number 2, Spring 2002, pp. 203-220.
*from  at the bottom of the page.
: I am dubious of the history. I was a demo person during the time period, and the contribution of the Thompson Digital Image team is not included. Wavefront had reached the end of its life and required a complete re-write to compete, so they bought their less successful but more technologically advanced competitor TDI Explore to get NURBS modeling, real-time rendering and a current development environment. Then SGI bought both Wavefront and Alias to compete with Microsoft after the latter bought Softimage. Maya is, as far as I can tell, built on the TDI codebase, rather than either the aged Wavefront or Alias ones. I recall Maya features having the same names as the same ones in the last release of TDI Explore.K8 fan (talk) 20:09, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The history as told by autodesk - and ex-developers - says it's build on Alias Sketch http://area.autodesk.com/maya_anniversary/history .  Also, Maya's NURBS are based on the AGlib library from Applied Geometry which Alias acquired.  http://www.npowersoftware.com/alias.htm  173.177.134.24 (talk) 02:19, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: I heard the ff7 was made by maya,is this it?
*probably 67.173.245.215 06:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: QUESTION

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Autodesk Maya 2008 Mac.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Maya2008Screenshot.png

message: I'm just a guy who understands Maya - not a Wikipedia bigwig, if there is such a thing.  I'd agree that the article is kind of a mess - I suspect some of that is the "writing by committee" nature of Wikipedia, but it certainly could be improved a lot.  I don't agree that there's too much content, though. To me an encyclopedia should instill a fair understanding of the topic.  Yes, some could be internal links.  Maya is one of the most complex programs on Earth, and it's difficult to pin down in a few words.  It is also fast becoming the industry standard for computer animation.  Just some comments.  No, it's not one of the great articles, but I do not agree that chopping it down to "It's yet another 3d program" is appropriate, either.  Scripting is a unique and powerful feature, for instance - you're not just "running a script" (as Photoshop, for instance).  Mel script, as it's called, can alter the behaviour of the program itself - incredibly powerful.  Anyway, it's just to say that Maya deserves space and illumination - it's one of the biggies of the industry.Jjdon (talk) 01:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Input From Nobody 

message: HOW MUCH DOES MAYA COST..?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.232.24 (talk) 02:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  PRICE 

message: The following section appears to be plagiarized from a Maya instruction manual:
 Skinning 
 ‘‘Skinning’’ is the process of setting up a character's model so that it can be deformed by a skeleton. For more information on skeletons, see What are skeletons?. You skin a model by binding a skeleton to the model. You can bind a model to a skeleton by a variety of skinning methods, including smooth skinning and rigid skinning. Smooth skinning and rigid skinning are direct skinning methods. You can also use indirect skinning methods, which combine the use of lattice or wrap deformers with either smooth or rigid skinning."
Note the way that it refers the reader to a "What are Skeletons?" section, while no such section appears to exist in the wiki?  As a technical writer, this seem like exactly the sort of thing that I would include in a set of instructions for a reader, but not something I would include on a wiki.  We should double check the source of this information and make sure that the Wiki isn't using someone's copyrighted material without citation (noting that word for word copying, even with a citation, is plagiarism anyway).--199.125.45.10 (talk) 17:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism 

message: Who's brain founded this software. Who first introduced this very name?ceo 08:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Founder of Maya

message: At the moment the article sounds "promotional" and therefore doesn't still meet, in my opinion, Wikipedia's standards. However, a thorough cleanup should solve the issue. It also needs more references.Gaius3 (talk) 19:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: A fair (or I hope so) comment

message: This part sounds rather promotional of the latest software release and just concerns the avalability of products. Shouldn't it be removed or appropriately rephrased? I'm asking as I'm still not that experienced but it sounds in need of rework to me.
"Official Maya Learning Tools"
Along with the history of Maya the company has produced Maya learning tools which date back to the earlier Alias days. Beginning with an internally produced newsletter on Maya software techniques and workflows, the company continued with the internally produced Art of Maya book and training videos and tutorials. In response to strong user demand the company's education department further developed instructional books and video-based learning content referred to as learning tools. Autodesk continues to develop learning tools with content developed both by internal product specialists as well as industry professionals. The company's video-based learning tools have recently moved away from physical production and are now available as digital downloads.
The system requirements for Maya 2008 are as follows:
* Windows and Linux: Intel Pentium 4 or higher, AMD Athlon 64, or AMD Opteron processor
* Macintosh: Power Mac G5 or Intel-based Macintosh computers
* 2 GB RAM
* 2 GB hard disk space
* Qualified hardware-accelerated OpenGL graphics card
* Three-button mouse with mouse driver software
* DVD-ROM drive.
Please your thoughts on the subject. Gaius3 (talk) 20:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki article or promotional leaflet?

message: I ran across an old Maya 2.5 demo CD-ROM and it mentioned four Maya products: Complete, Unlimited, Fusion, and Compose.  But I don't see any info about Fusion and Compose in this entry. Can someone fill me in? --70.167.58.6 (talk) 15:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maya Fusion? Maya Composer? 

message: It is hardly appropriate to use spiderman 2 as a refereance point:
The Maya Cloth toolset has been upgraded in every version of Maya released after Spider-Man 2
Wouldn't a version number be better?
~Like2program  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.160.3.203 (talk) 17:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spiderman 2 

message: Any opposed to moving this article from "Maya (software)" to "Autodesk Maya"? Not only is it the actual, official name of the program but software articles that officially have the company name in the title (such as Adobe Photoshop, Microsoft Word, etc.) do this as well. --Blackbox77 (talk) 14:06, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But those other programs are called "Adobe Photoshop" and "Microsoft Word".  NO ONE calls Maya "Autodesk Maya"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.84.11 (talk) 00:57, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, to be honest no one says "Adobe Photoshop" as well. But "Photoshop" is a distinct name! Where you in turn get spammed with other stuff when googling "Maya". I also kind of nostalgic about the good old "Maya (software)" name but there is stuff about the history of it. That's good enough I guess.--Ewerybody (talk) 10:48, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title as "Autodesk Maya" 

message: :The link redirects to the trial version of Maya, so it's misleading. Chromecat (talk) 15:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Removing the link. Put it back if PLE returns. Chromecat (talk) 13:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maya PLE link should go 

message: Previously, the caption  of the plane render read "Along with mental ray, Autodesk Maya can  create realistic renderings like this". I'm changing it to "An example  render of a Maya scene.", as I feel that the previous one is blatantly  not NPOV.
Also, I could have sworn that I saw the graphic on the Maya  site. According to the description page, it is the work of "Aaron1a12",  but I highly doubt this. Can someone possibly look into this? I mean,  yes, it is a good render, but I get the feeling that it's copyrighted  material. James.DenholmTalk to me...  06:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plane  graphic, NPOV-erd   

message: According to this 2001 Wired article , the Mac version was released way before the 2006 date mentioned in this entry.  What as the first version for Mac?  --68.102.163.104 (talk) 04:53, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Mac Version? 

message: So Version 8 was the first version?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.84.11 (talk) 00:59, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release history 

message: All, 
I noticed that Autodesk toxik (yay for lack of proper English capitalization) is slated to be merged into this article.  I've been working on improving the Toxik article and would like feedback.  (User:Matthewrbowker/Sandbox/Autodesk Toxik.)  I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this, but ... I couldn't find another appropriate page.  
Thanks, Matthewrbowker (talk) 02:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a merge would be ill advised unless it was cut down to a simple paragraph. This article is already fairly large and merging Toxik would probably push it over the 100kb limit Chaosdruid (talk) 01:40, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autodesk Toxik Merge 

message: I am an avid user of Maya and I tutor it to schoolmates at my college. This article is in absolutely no way near the level of quality that it should be in the name of such a great program. I will be cleaning the entire article, there is a lot of information that can be condensed or even removed. (Valce (talk) 22:58, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Maya release history was proposed for deletion on December 12. --Pnm (talk) 01:33, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed deletion of [[Maya release history]] 

message: What about the Price? It is very much costly!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.158.157 (talk) 06:06, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: £174 per month. $2,700.00 per 12 months (more if you pay per month)(there's an introductory discount available via Amazon with 30% off) QuentinUK (talk) 00:36, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price 

message: Most entries for major software titles on Wikipedia contain a version history that shows what major features were added in each release. It would be nice if the Maya entry had the same thing. --157.254.51.253 (talk) 19:37, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version History 

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message: See
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/06/11/amd-and-autodesk-speed-up-maya-with-opencl/
2010 First Bullet physics https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RoIyRoANAy4
 2012 prerelease Fluid solver https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv1VMVFwlNU
2014  Bullet physics  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=36bIdH6EBkM
2017Radeon  prorender https://radeon-prorender.github.io/maya/
Benchmark https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AutoDesk-Maya-2014-Professional-GPU-Acceleration-509/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.90.229.157 (talk) 01:31, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  OpenCL accelerations since 2012 and Nvidia CUDA also 

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message: I think the industry usage section should be its own article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melissa178 (talk • contribs) 10:07, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The industry usage section is entirely too long and fails to provide references for most of the entries. And it will only grow more unwieldy as every current film is added. Considering that the majority of films with CGI effects today use Autodesk Maya to some degree, this massive list appears unnecessary. I have removed the section. I have added it below in case an editor wishes to create a "List of..." page (provided that reliable independent sources are added.)  — CactusWriter (talk) 21:59, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Industry Usage 

message: Maya had been used in South Park (and Stick of Truth + Fractured but Whole)--2605:A601:A64:B800:2CBC:63DB:2DDC:E999 (talk) 00:43, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maya's Use 

message: latest release version = 2020.3
latest release date =  153.185.210.28 (talk) 18:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2020 

message: Hi i was digging around in the re2 remake textures and i found that a document texture directly lifted paragraphs from this article.
Image in question > 
Im not sure if this would count as plagiarism or something but i thought whoever worked on this article would like to know about it Oshulwott (talk) 15:04, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article was used in the RE 2 remake 

message: I have completely rewritten this article for its link rot and ill-format, I did this in a haste, please check for errors LackOfInspiration1 (talk) 14:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: LackOfInspiration1, I have reverted to the previous version because the entire article now reads like an advertisement. You introduced large amounts of promotional copy cited to Autodesk and various Blogs which fails as reliable sourcing and added pricing (in bold, no less) in violation of WP:NOTPRICE. In addition, you removed entire sections of previous referenced text without explanation or discussion. I also needed to remove the new uploaded images as copyright violations.  — CactusWriter (talk) 16:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: whatever, do what you want LackOfInspiration1 (talk) 04:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete overhaul