Talk:Withnail and I

message: I added a "reception" section. Feel free to add more things to it. I moved the second paragraph at the beginning to the "reception" section because I felt like it belongs there. Demoman87 17:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reception

message: In the article, it's stated that Marwood went to "the other place" (Eton). This was simply something Withnail told his uncle for appearances, but it's later revealed that Marwood (I) didn't attend a top-tier school, Eton or otherwise.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.163.254.158 (talk) 17:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistake

message: A flim studies graduate friend says:
:"I don't know where Wikipedia get that from - Bruce Robinson has certainly never mentioned that and I have way more Bruce interviews than is healthy. I'm way too obsessed with him and his films, this one especially."
Request a citation. Joe D (t) 13:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Robinson mentions the ending in "Smoking in Bed: Conversations with Bruce Robinson". I've added a citation. 80.93.170.99 08:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternative ending

message: Much of the latter half of this section seems to be mostly an interpretation which is unsuitable for an encyclopedia.  Specifically:
Quote: At one point, towards the end of the film, Withnail says 'There's always time for a drink' to which Marwood quickly and bluntly replies ' No, I don't have the time.' Marwood is not merely telling Withnail that he doesn't have time for a drink; but rather, he no longer has time for him. Whereas before, Marwood always had time for a drink (as is evident throughout the film) this is no longer the case. In refusing to drink with him, Marwood is implicitly telling Withnail that their time together is over; their friendship has come to an end.
Rather than bieng a statement of fact, it reads more like an interpretation.  I would suggest the removal of this, and a reworking of this whole section.  
Mister B.
:I agree - do please go ahead. --A bit iffy 09:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background 

message: Much of the trivia section is more like interpretation. I have nothing against having analysis in articles but not sure how this fits the Wikipedia format. The discussion of 'Journey's End' misses the point that Marwood is reading for the part which he secures at the end of the film.Piersmasterson 16:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs more work 

message: Quote: In the same scene, Monty seemingly refers to Withnail as "Nathan".
In which line is this exactly? I can't hear it while watching the scene through in one of the DVD versions -- JackMcJiggins 07:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When they're ar Monty's flat towards the end of the scene, and Monty decides he has to chase the cat out, he's in a fluster and says something like "no, no, Nathan, you must go". MegdalePlace 14:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Except he doesn't. Griffiths fluffs his lines slightly and says "No, no, nay-, no, dear boy, you must leave. You must leave". Marwood 13:36, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It remains my feeling that until there's some real documentary proof I's name can not be considered to be Marwood- the fact that some people think they hear it in one scene is not encyclopedic fact. Equally well, the writing on the envelope percieved as being Marwood is perilous evidence at best, as the vast majority of props (especially for films of this sort of budget) are inherantly untrustworthy. It's my feeling that all references to the character as "Marwood" are just pandering to someone's fancies. Himynameishelen (talk) 01:59, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd suggest that the script is fairly definitive on the subject. Both the original shooting script and the commercially published versions name the character as "Marwood" throughout. 89.145.211.74 (talk) 15:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Character names

message: Does anyone else feel that most of the 'Background' section is original research/interpretation rather than factual and encyclopaedic? Marwood 11:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reluctantly agree. It would appear, looking above, that this has already been discussed, and looking at the article history, Mister B. removed it following on from that. It was promptly replaced with an 'rv vandal' comment, perhaps in haste. I'd suggest removing it again, or I will if it's still there when I have more time. CiaranG 21:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Done. CiaranG 23:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research

message: I added a tag to the trivia section.  Wikipedia has deemed this type of section un-encyclopedic Mister B. 01:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: While this section is very funny, it is inappropriate for an encyclopedia.  I will update this section.Mister B. 00:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also 

message: The Lone Pigeon track "Beatmix Chocbar Rap" (from the 2002 album Concubine Rice)includes the lines "I'm PC Stuck-In-The-Middle-of-Fife/ get in the back of the van/ it's life".  Is this a deliberate Withnail & I reference? There'd be something admirable, and maybe a bit frightening, about someone who could be arsed to find out.
: Had a quick look but no connection seems to pop up immediately- possible, but unlikely I'm afraid.Himynameishelen (talk) 02:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The most insanely obscure Withnail reference in the world

message: The actor Michael Feast is credited by Robinson as being one of the two people on whom Withnail is based. He certainly lived with Robinson, Dundas et al in the late 60s and was no stranger to the fruit of the vine in the years that followed. Anyway, the advertising slogan for the UK cast album of the musical Hair was HEAR HAIR HERE. Given that Michael Feast appears on said LP as one of the stars of the original UK production, isn't Jake's note an in-joke between Robinson and his old (house)mate Mickey? I think so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.224.193 (talk • contribs) 
: No, "Hear Hair Here" is a vocal exercise used at some acting schools to improve pronunciation. Both 'Withnail' and 'Hair' are referencing this, not each other. Marwood 14:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Here Hare Here" and Michael Feast - an in-joke?

message: IMDb and several other references list it as 1987 (as does the category that this article is in), but the opening line, and the infobox say it is 1986. Is there a reason why the infobox and lead list it as 86? Chris_huhtalk 00:27, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know it came out in 1986 becuase I was working abroad when I got a letter from a friend telling me he had seen this great new film at the cinema called Withnail and I (weird title, thought I).  I know the date is right because I was back in the UK for all of 1987.  I know this can't be cited in the article (!!!) but it's just to confirm that it's defintely a 1986 film. 86.133.215.69 (talk) 14:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: British Film Institute labels it as a 1986 release.  For whatever reason, IMDb is wrong. Erik (talk) 17:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

text: It's reviewed in the February 1988 issue of the BFI's Monthly Film Bulletin where it's listed as a 1986 release. 16:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Just added this to the article to clarify: 'According to Richard E. Grant's book, With Nails, filming started on 2 August 1986 in the Lake District, and shooting took seven weeks. A rough cut was screened to the actors in a Wardour Street screening room on 8 December 1986.' Stronach (talk) 11:23, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  1986 or 1987 

message: There may well be enough here, but just wanted to add that the Manchester band Elbow's debut album "Asleep in the Back" has at least two song titles presumably inspired by the film:  "Don't mix your drinks," and "Presuming Ed (Rest Easy)." o0drogue0o 09:19, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture 

message: Article says: "One shot shows the characters driving on the wrong carriageway, with the hard shoulder on the right."
This is not an anachronism.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.238.31 (talk) 13:43, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: While driving along the sort of narrow country roads shown in the film It would be usual to use the whole width of the road rather than to stick to the left hand side only; equally where traffic is light or nonexistent it would be acceptable to drive out of lane in order to increase visibility round a corner. This would be especially true when driving a wide vehicle such as a Rolls-Royce. 86.160.7.77 (talk) 00:46, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anachronisms 

message: Uncle Monty's exit from the farmhouse, as I read it, was due to hearing Marwood's furious rant at Withnail for selling Monty the idea that Marwood was a homosexual. The fallout from this was of course Monty's fixation on Marwood and his attempts to seduce him. After hearing the truth of the matter as Marwood berates Withnail, Monty realises that he has been deceived and leaves in shame (hence the reference in his letter to himself as an eavesdropper). Your thoughts on this? 86.160.7.77 (talk) 20:06, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncle Monty leaves the farmhouse 

message: Much of this section is unsourced (and, indeed, mostly written by me a long, long time ago).  There is material in there which is true, but is unverified/unverifiable. For example, the Seville Pictures release not including the trailer because they thought they had a copy in their library but didn't.  I know this because the MD of Seville told me.  This whole section should probably be reworked with better sourcing. Marwood (talk) 14:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD Releases 

message: The following is from the plot synopsis.
'Withnail and Marwood get into Marwood's battered Jaguar Mark 2, which is parked next to a scene of demolition of some old houses (significant for the time period) and set off north along the motorway. '
Why is the demolition of houses significant for the time period? Should this be included?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rybrarian (talk • contribs) 18:44, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: Reference 5 on this article is a dead link - anyone know where this interview can be found?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeyMikey667 (talk • contribs) 14:47, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: the book about handmade films has a lot of info & anecdotes about this flick. chief among the omissions here is that robinson auditioned eddie ‘tenpole’ tudor for withnail, but there’s other useful stuff like grant’s allergy to alcohol & so on. someone who cares about this movie should add it into the article & dump some  more of the fanboy trivia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.134.192.204 (talk) 00:02, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  “very naughty boys...” 

message: In the "drinks with Monty" scene, Withnail states that "Peter's just had an audition for Rep". There is some confusion about this. Some claim that Withnail states "He's just had an audition for Rep" but that others "hear" Peter. I've listened to it multiple times. The name "Peter" is clearly stated, irrespective of hearing-aid quality. Perhaps the mystery of the name has been overthought, even though it's actually said. Ideas? Hanoi Road (talk) 00:19, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The 10th anniversary edition of the script (isbn 0 7475 2493 9) which was given away with Sight and Sound states on page 33 “And he’s just had an audition for rep.” No mention of Peter, not sure if that clarifies or muddies your query. yorkshiresky (talk) 15:20, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Clarifies. Thanks.  Hanoi Road (talk) 00:38, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peter 

message: It might be relevant as trivia that the IRA bar scene has a timeline/sense problem.
Marwood goes to the bathroom, and having been called a 'ponce' on the way in, and read the graffiti, promptly leaves in terror.
He immediately returns to Withnail, who quite aside from appearing to not have left his barstool at all, claims "I've already spent an hour flattering the bugger"(Monty). Even if that is clearly impossible, how likely is it that a telephone conversation of any sort with Monty could be had in less than 60 seconds. PS: The scene is contiguous, and there are no cutaways. Hanoi Road (talk) 13:18, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake in timeline/script. 

message: In the section establishing the name of "I" various pieces of info are presented. However one very convincing piece is not mentioned. Someone want to drop it in? The soundtrack LP which came out in 1987 contains sections of film music which are titled things like "Marwood Returns", "Marwood Leaves" etc. There's no other Marwood in the film. Check it out here: https://www.45worlds.com/vinyl/album/moment110  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:70E6:CB00:3CAF:95E6:1176:D83D (talk) 20:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marwood's name