Talk:Hilda Solis

message: I have removed a few potentially non-neutral words from my original reference to the TV spot cut by Solís endorsing an indicted public official, inexplicable in light of her strong previous anti-corruption stances.Pr4ever (talk) 10:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: TV spot edit

message: :a surprise pick considering earlier rumors that workers-rights activist Mary Beth Maxwell would be selected. Solis' selection was dismaying to LGBT advocacy groups, as Maxwell would have been the first openly gay cabinet member. Meanwhile, the news was uplifting for Latinos, who make up 15 percent of the nation's population, as Solis is only the second Latino (and the first Latina) among Obama's nominees to the fifteen-member cabinet. (It is also worth noting that Latinos are hugely underrpresented among the country's low-wage earners, like Solis's own parents while the congresswoman was growing up.) 
Let  us consider this piece of identity-group politics after the reaction of labor and management and economists, people actually interested in her performance as Secretary of Labor, have been included. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not just that it is "identity politics" insofar as it is commentary. You were correct in removing it.--Jersey Devil (talk) 05:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Identity politics

message: According to several reports going out it appears that Solis is the next choice for Labor Secretary of the new Obama administration. I saw that another user updated this article by adding a "Labor Secretary" infobox. I have removed it because (1) she has not yet officially been named the nominee for this cabinet position by the campaign and (2) it did not specify that she would need to be confirmed by the Senate (for instance Bill Richardson's article specifies this on his infobox). Just wanted to make my actions clear on here.--Jersey Devil (talk) 05:28, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Labor Secretary

message: Since Khoikhoi shot down my first edit of this article, I'm hesitant to do another.  However, this Freedom@Work blog page (Freedom@Work and its host are biased against Solis, I know) highlights an issue in the USA Today article Tax snafus add up for Obama team:
Records show Sayyad had two liens, from 1994 and 1996, for $1,255 in unpaid state sales taxes. The remaining two, from 1994 and 1995, are for $786 in unpaid county health and safety fees.
Since she is the nominee for Secretary of Labor, shouldn't her husband be aware of the importance of paying health and safety fees?  Would this issue be outside the scope of the article?  I generally agree that her husband's business tax problems should not fall on her head, but this issue seems to be an exception in my mind.  Comments? -JohnAlbertRigali (talk) 07:11, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The current article cites that USA Today story in three places, so we're certainly not ignoring it.  Certain points in that story and other ones need follow-up, however.  One, it says that "Sayyad plans to appeal", suggesting that Sayyad thinks some or all of these liens were inaccurate or unfair.  This is amplified by this Los Angeles Times story, where "[The county tax collector] said liens are not necessarily an indication that a business or an individual is trying to avoid paying taxes. Businesses can run into financial difficulties, and honest disputes can arise".  Two, the USA Today story says "It is not clear, however, whether Sayyad settled the four other outstanding liens for county health fees"; that obviously needs clarification.  Three, the LAT story says that "The couple files a joint tax return, but Sayyad is the sole proprietor of his business ... and all tax communications about his business are sent to him at a separate address."  Are these county taxes even paid as part of a tax return, or are they submitted separately?  As for your point, she was a California State Senator in 1994 and 1995, not a Secretary of Labor nominee.  We have no idea how these county health and safety fees were calculated or collected, and whether he ignored them knowing what they were or whether this was part of some larger calculation or return that went wrong.  So I think we need a good follow-up story on this matter before we can conclude much more than the article says now.  Wasted Time R (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Just to follow up, this new Politico story indicates that they filed separate tax returns, not joint, and also says that Sayyad is contesting the liens.  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A rather small amount, isn't it? I'll read through the article. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:58, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm finding the subject to be verging upon irrelevancy and WP:NPOV. Remember that volunteers are working to create an encyclopedic research tool here with focus on the subjects of research. The extant politician here should be the main focus of the article, and a mundane, irrelevant tax issue sullies the quality of the article. If there was some significance to the tax issue, it would be relevant however I'm not seeing anything remotely significant about it. When dealing with high-profile politicians who are still living, great care must be taken to avoid WP:NPOV and ideology-motivated editing. The subject of a husband's taxes is not relevant and appears to be biased ideology motivated. Damotclese (talk) 15:27, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not sure why this has suddenly come up in Talk - both the issue and this article's coverage of it are from four and a half years ago.  But I believe the coverage that's been in the article all this time is fair (it gives her husband's side of the story) and reasonably weighted (100 words in a 5,000 word article).  Solis had a fairly difficult confirmation process - if I remember correctly she was the last of Obama's cabinet nominees to be confirmed - and this was part of it.  Is it fair for politicians to be held accountable for the actions of their spouses?  Maybe, maybe not, but the reality of the political arena is that they are, and WP articles have to describe that.  BLP speaks to not including innuendo or rumor or completely irrelevant personal details, but tax issues are fundamental ethical matters that are always real issues (indeed one of these sources talks about how Solis was one of several Obama nominees to hit tax troubles).  The sources involved are mainstream ones like WaPo and USA Today, and other mainstream sources like this LA Times story and this Cleveland Plain-Dealer story and this The Hill story and so on reported on it too.  Since I am the one who originally added this material, I can assure you its inclusion is not ideologically motivated (look at the list of political biographies I've brought to GA or FA level and you'll see a variety of characters, past and present, both parties, male and female, etc).  I was simply describing her nomination and confirmation process, and this was part of it.   Wasted Time R (talk) 01:41, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  FYI: Reason I brought it up was she spoke at our patriotic concert (I'm a revered tenor). I'll add a note at the bottom to catch myself up in editing here. TNKS, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 12:42, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Husband's tax problems

message: I've done a lot of work researching and expanding this article, but I haven't been able to find the year of her marriage to Sayyad, which should be basic biographical information.  Anyone know it?  Wasted Time R (talk) 13:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I spoke to her husband, Sam, and can ask him; (or her). Women have better memories on marriage dates. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 12:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of marriage

message: We might seriously want to consider updating the main pic of Hilda Solis.  In that picture, she actually looks like a rather attractive woman...so I'm guessing it was taken in 1983 or thereabouts.  Check out this link to a pic from a San Francisco Chronicle article to see what I mean (I can scarcely believe those two pics are of the same woman):  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2009/02/25/MNC7164C2A.DTL&o=0
I'm not trying to jeer at Ms. Solis (we can't all be attractive forever, and some of us never are; at least she was once), but would we display a picture of Bill Clinton from his bearded Oxford days, as the main pic for his article?  Would the main picture for George H.W. Bush's article be of him in his flight suit, when at age 17, he was the youngest U.S. combat pilot serving in World War Two?  Of course not.  There's nothing wrong with that picture of Ms. Solis...other than the fact it looks nothing like her. And isn't that rather the point of a photograph? KevinOKeeffe (talk) 09:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you find a free photo that's more recent? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 09:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just how old is that pic, anyway? 

message: For the record, I strongly disagree with User:Labor reporter's repeated inclusion of two paragraphs of material regarding AFGE Local 12's purported disagreements with Solis.  Three of the sources do not qualify as WP:RS and one is a WP:PRIMARY that describes a question regarding flex time rules at a town hall meeting.  Even if this issue were reliably sourced, giving it two paragraphs is WP:Undue weight.  An extended discussion of this is at User talk:Wasted Time R#Labor stuff (because the United States Department of Labor article is also affected).  Unfortunately, I've run out of reverts on this matter.  Wasted Time R (talk) 02:40, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFGE Local 12 material 

message: Like with other biographical articles of high-profile figures, I think the content concerning criticism should be set aside in its own section so that those who are seeking this information may find it more readily.   [21:57, May 23, 2012‎ 98.118.251.152]
:It's only the poor WP articles that do that.  All of the 2008 and 2012 presidential candidate biographies, for example, integrate criticism and controversies into the chronological narrative where they occurred.  It's only then that you can see the proper context for what happened.  WP is not intended to be a one-stop destination for those who don't like somebody, there are plenty of other websites that can fulfill that role.  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:21, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: How do I add another section to this page? I want to ask why her connections to the racist group "La Raza" aren't even mentioned on this page. La Raza is, in a nutshell, the Hispanic Ku Klux Klan, and I believe Solis's sister was a high-ranking member of the hate group. Given Solis's support of illegal alien worker "rights" while at BLS, this connection to La Raza is objectively newsworthy.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madbowler6 (talk • contribs) 03:59, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk section added.  Show me some mainstream, reliable news sources that describe Hilda Solis' relationship with the National Council of La Raza (which is not, as you claim, akin to the KKK).  All I can see is that she gave a speech before their conference in 2009 and received an award from them in 2008.  That's very typical for any Hispanic politician and not worth mentioning in the article.  Also, I don't think the Bureau of Labor Statistics has any role in determining rights of illegal aliens, as you claim.  Wasted Time R (talk) 11:07, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is none, WastedTime R, none that can be falsified. If there were any actual connections, Google would be capable of providing legitimate references, so we can dismiss the notion outright. Damotclese (talk) 16:24, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: La Raza?

message: The Money.CNN and Politico web sites are not generally considered to be legitimate references; or perhaps I should say, neither are considered to contain information which can be relied upon to be entirely factual. It would be better to acquire references from reliable news sources, ABC, NBC, CBS, if possible. Damotclese (talk) 16:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
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message: I'm not sure that replacing Columbus Day with Indigenous People's Day could accurately be called "demoted." Perhaps a better word would be "replaced." I don't think replacing one title with another could be considered a "demotion." Damotclese (talk) 14:22, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This heading seems to be opposite to what was intended, the user is indef blocked, the IP editor remark is off-topic, and I missed this the first time around.  But I think the article's use of 'demoted' is off the mark and so I have rephrased it to just be 'replaced'.  Wasted Time R (talk) 11:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
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What is your decisions on child molesters and thieves being let go back into the general public after being arrested for these crimes. 47.210.82.218 (talk) 09:14, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
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