Talk:Al-Andalus

message: Firstly, Granada wasn’t always a vassalage, as Muley Hacen and his successor rejected tribute. Also Musa bin Nusayr conquered Asturias in the north in 714. The whole north was conquered and Munuza (Umayyad leader) was appointed its governor. Only MANY years later was the kingdom of Asturias founded. The Arabs conquered the whole of Iberia. 2A04:4A43:4DAF:C3D6:917:85E4:D44D:E687 (talk) 14:57, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps English is not your first language? The source you gave, From Al-Andalus to Monte Sacro, by Dolores Luna Guinot, is laughably bad history, terribly written and actually says the opposite of what you are maintaining: "..in a few years the Arabs took over the Gothic Hispania. The Asturian Christian resistance achieved that the northern Hispania remained apart from the domain of the Muslims thanks to the leader Don Pelayo". This book is self-published and not a reliable source anyway—Trafford is a vanity publisher, and anyone can pay them to publish a book, no matter how bad. And by the way, our own WP article on the Kingdom of Asturias, citing the medievalist Roger Collins, says it was "the first Christian political entity established after the Umayyad conquest of Visigothic Hispania in 718 or 722". Carlstak (talk) 03:12, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Arabs conquered the north of Spain and Iberia 

message: I've done a bit of trimming in the lead. Length-wise, I think it's more or less fine as is. There are many paragraphs but they're pretty short, so they could simply do with a bit of merging and some more efficient wording, if needed. From a rough count, it has just over half the number of words as the lead of World War II, a GA article, and in terms of information, I find it hard to image any significant portions that could be trimmed without sacrificing essential information. If anything, the lead might also deserve a quick mention of its architectural legacy, given that this is the main physical and visual remnant of this period today (though I may be biased by my personal interests in that regard!). But feel free to discuss. R Prazeres (talk) 20:16, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've merged the second and third paras, which work ok together, and removed the segue into Islamic taxation, which is generic info for Islamic realms and not specific to the subject. Now it's the requisite four paragraphs. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:59, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that looks fine to me. A line about Christians and especially Jewish communities under Muslim rule might still be warranted, given their importance to the topic, but maybe more so on their specific cultural development in this period rather than their taxation and legal status which, as you rightly point out, is common to the rest of the Islamic world. R Prazeres (talk) 22:15, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - the note about Jewish communities should restored as it's a primary aspect of the topic. Andre🚐 03:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead length 

message: — Assignment last updated by Bumblebeatrice (talk) 19:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: One would think that whoever is supposed to be supervising these students would ensure that they understand how to properly format text and references, as well as Wikipedia guidelines on style and tone, before letting them loose on articles where they may waste their time and that of other editors with edits that will be promptly reverted. I suspect that many of these "supervisors" don't know the basics of Wikipedia editing themselves. Carlstak (talk) 16:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Islamic Arts of the Book