Talk:Jerry Springer: The Opera

message: The article seems only to mention the charge of blasphemy. My memory is that some (many? most?) of the complaints were to do with the number of repetitions of the "F-word", which set some kind of record. No doubt these people were not all concerned on religious grounds but more general ones of "taste and decency". Perhaps someone better informed than me could add something about that. Flapdragon 03:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have found no evidence of anyone campaigning against the show other then the Christian Voice action group. In the real world, just walking down a London street can expose you to more "foul language" than this show. --Intimidatedtalk 22:36, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, but they don't repeatedly say the F-word five times in a row! You'll hardly hear the C-word either, especially not seven times in a row. I don't have a problem with swearing, but the opera goes OTT with the language. Are they going to to an opera about Tourette's? Oh, they already have.(AndrewAnorak 17:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: The correct link for hte Eng High court is High Court.  Regards FedLawyer 06:02, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  High court is a disambiguation page 

message: In "UK tour 2006", "Nine theatres originally scheduled to host the show pulled out after Christian Voice threatened to picket them." I wonder. A local theatre advertised that it was going to show it, and so was one of those on the original list, and I was surprised to find later that it was not going to show it after all. I asked them why. They said it was nothing to do with protests, but simply advertised before dates were confirmed, and in the event, the dates were wrong. I am inclined to believe them because this is not the first time this has happened. (Normally the plays are somewhat more innocuous...) I am not going to claim that "I went down and asked" counts as a verifiable source for Wikipedia. But: on this basis, I start to wonder about these nine theatres and Christian Voice's part. Is it confirmed -- or even claimed -- anywhere which these nine theatres were and that they pulled out due to CV and no other reason? --Telsa ((t)(c)) 18:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fairness, it doesn't attribute the decision to pull out to the protests; the article just says that theatres decided to pull out 'after' (not 'due to') protests.  I think "Christian Voice" is sinister, crazed and dangerous and while I wouldn't object to a greater distance in the sentence being placed between effect and alleged cause in the sentence, I don't think it's necessary simply on the grounds you cite here. - Stevecov 07:07, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pulling out due to CV protests?

message: This article is a bit rambling, yet it omitted major sections.  I added a "principal characters" section and the track list of the CD (is that the same as the list of musical numbers in the actual show?  I couldn't figure out where to put a heading for Act III songs).  I consolidated the production history stuff somewhat and started a more organized section on protests/controversy, but it needs to be expanded with a much better and more focused discussion of the controversy, the various accusations and the responses to them (see the "Blasphemy" discussion above for ideas).  Quotes and all the info about protests on the tour need to be referenced or deleted.  Some POV still needs to be removed, and references need to be added.  Good luck, fans!  -- Ssilvers 06:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean-up

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message: *Please see above. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 06:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because a user has obtained permission to use a plot synopsis does not nullify WP:OWN. Besides, it's fundamentally in error to think that a copyrighted synopsis is preferred over a free editor produced plot outline. Wisdom89 (T / C) 17:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't include primary sources in wikipedia. This synopsis if it is GFDL compliant belongs on wikisource. It is effectively a long quotation of external source material and not part of the wikipedia article. This is a no-brainer. I have removed it.--Docg 17:34, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

text: If it can't be edited, it can't be released under the GFDL, and we can't use it. Mr.Z-man 17:41, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wrote a new synopsis.TR (talk) 07:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synopsis 

message: How about (without the bold print) 
Jerry Springer: The Opera is a controversial British musical written by Stewart Lee and Richard Thomas, based on the television show The Jerry Springer Show.
Just a thought :) St91 (talk) 20:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Little suggestion

message: On 22-Apr-2009  performance details of the Australian production. On 29-Apr-2009,   six performers (and left two) from that paragraph (Edit summary: "Entire cast not needed."). I  that edit with the edit summary: "it's not the entire cast, only notables with WP articles." TR Wolf then  my edit (Edit summary: "Still not needed, see other version listings on the page.")
I think my original contribution of the eight performers' names should stand.
They are all have Wikipedia articles and are notable;
TR Wolf's edit summaries reflect his opinion "not needed" (see: I just don't like it) — I think a list of notable performers adds to the encyclopedic value of the article;
TR Wolf refers to "other version listings":
note: Other stuff exists which works both ways — let's stick to the merits of the paragraph in question;
the Bailiwick paragraph has 190 words, the 2ndStage paragraph has 145, and the StageWest paragraph has 86 words; the paragraph in question has 72 words — clearly, the remark "see other version listings" is unconvincing.
I suggest to restore my edit. Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to list all of the cast so much, have a link to another page for that particular production. As it stands, listing who played Jerry and Satan (as the antagonist and protagonist) is sufficient, listing individual casts for every production mentioned on this page would bloat the page. Suggest if you're so enthusiastic, perhaps you could create a new page, "Jerry Springer the Opera Cast Lists" or something similar. I'm not being nasty or anything, its just an idea :) TR Wolf (talk) 05:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You failed to address any of the points I raised; "bloat" doesn't qualify: the article is well under 4,000 words. As has been pointed out before to you, you don't OWN this article — Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: List of performers (Australia)

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