Talk:List of NFL career passing touchdowns leaders

message: I appreciate that this is technically just a list rather than an article, but would it be better with a little colour from an intro?  I was reading this article and I thought something similar (relative speeds of reaching landmarks, etc.) might add to the readability of the page.  Any views? --Legis (talk - contribs) 02:22, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro?

message: This list says that Tom Brady has 561 touchdown passes, which appears to be correct.  However, his article says that he has 559 and is second in career touchdown passes.  This only matters until Sunday.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:37, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Discrepancy

message: Why is Brees listed as inactive, he hasn't announced a retirement as yet. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed. The NFL still shows him as active. Jerry Stockton (talk) 21:52, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Brees

message: Please see here, if of interest: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#Volume_stats_sections_combining_regular_season_and_playoffs. Useight (talk) 22:32, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Centralized discussion involving this page

message: Two/one sections if memory is correct one in which combined touchdowns was in use/made and has been wiped. If it was disruption I tend to disagree as it had 3-4 names and was more informing then incorrect or disrespectful. Chn23 (talk) 08:15, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Chn23, there was a clear consensus based on a discussion at the NFL WikiProject to not include combined statistics. See the discussion here. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:25, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversal of change 

message: There are currently two lede paragraphs in this article, one describing passing touchdowns and how they are counted, and one discussing some particularly notable records. The ordering is currently the records first, and the explanation second. I personally believe that the first paragraph should be the one explaining passing touchdowns, and the second describing the records. This not only makes sense in terms of flow (seems more reasonable to explain something before talking about it) but also how it is on every other NFL record Featured List. Some examples include List of National Football League annual rushing yards leaders, List of National Football League annual receptions leaders, List of National Football League annual receiving yards leaders, and more. Obviously, for those familiar with American football, a passing touchdown is self-explanatory. But a Wikipedia article should be free for all to understand, regardless of background knowledge. As to avoid an edit war, I am posting on the talk to generate a proper consensus. 
@Randy Kryn, I presume you would want to participate in this discussion. ULPS (talk • contribs) 19:04, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: *, have you read the lead? The paragraph you want to return as the lead paragraph is far too long, way too detailed for this page, and if used as the lead paragraph should be cut back to one or at most two sentences (as the page used to be). If keeping a lead paragraph defining at length what a pass is, and what a run is, it then needs an addition of what a football is and what the NFL means to pad it out with even more detail. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:41, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

text: *:I have read the lead, I don't have an issue with it. I'm basing my opinion on feedback that I've received while nominating (annual statistical leader) lists at WP:FLC over the last several months. We need to be reasonable about how in depth we go with the details, but I believe details should be given before the records. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:57, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: * Key points are "need to be reasonable about how in depth we go with the details". The paragraph could be cut by 75% easily, i.e. details about what a "run" is not needed here. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:02, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

text: *Hello , I'm a bit later than expected, sometimes Wikipedia has many balls in the air at once. I really haven't thought of editing the long paragraphs, was leaving your take on it to follow the opening stats. Will have a go at it soon but not immediately, and thanks for the ping. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:24, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ordering of lede paragraphs