Talk:Jiraiya (Naruto)/Archive 1

message: It said by Kakashi that Yondaime only created half of Rasengan. And since only Jiraiya and Yondaime knew Rasengan, could it be possible that Jiraiya created the other half?
:No. Read it again. You misunderstood. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:13, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rasengan 

message: *In the Manga, Jiraiya is only briefly reluctant to train Naruto and agrees to do so fairly quickly. In the Anime, he is much more reluctant, and Naruto chases him all over Konoha before realizing that the Ninja Centerfold is his best bet.
*In the Manga, Jiraiya and Naruto are not observed. In the Anime, Ebisu recovers consciousness in time to see Naruto transform into a luscious Nymphet. Ebisu falls down a well.Das Baz 18:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a particular reason why you keep adding to this? ~SnapperTo 18:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll rephrase that for him: is there any useful reason you're doing this? This is a talk page for the article, not the character. That said, you exaggerate. The differences are minor and pointless. They don't even merit mention. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 18:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: If you really must point it out, do so on the specific episode's summary, because putting it on one of the affected character's talk pages isn't really going to accomplish anything. ~SnapperTo 00:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You do realize the anime predates the Mark Foley scandal by a period of several years, don't you? – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Differences between Manga Chapter 90 and Anime Episode 52

message: Jiraiya, Peeping Tom and Pornographer, is called a "lecherous lout" by the King of Toads. This is unkind, but accurate. Das Baz 18:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Chief Toad's Opinion of Jiraiya

message: The next episode of the anime also has some incidents that are not found in the manga. Jiraiya is more interested in observing some shapely young female tourists wearing swimsuits and splashing around in the lake than in training Naruto. (This is in both the manga and the anime). To reel his wayward teacher back in, Naruto uses (in the anime, not in the manga) his power of instant transgendering, becoming once again the "Ninja Centerfold." Das Baz 17:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a particular reason why you keep adding to this? ~SnapperTo 18:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll rephrase that for him: is there any useful reason you're doing this? This is a talk page for the article, not the character. That said, you exaggerate. The differences are minor and pointless. They don't even merit mention. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 18:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: If you really must point it out, do so on the specific episode's summary, because putting it on one of the affected character's talk pages isn't really going to accomplish anything. ~SnapperTo 00:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You do realize the anime predates the Mark Foley scandal by a period of several years, don't you? – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Episode 53

message: You guys left out the confrontation between Itachi/Kisame and Jiriya/Naruto/Sasuke from the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.167.237.102 (talk) 05:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In all your talk of Itachi and Jiriya 

message: How is the meaning of Jiraiya's name a reference to the fact that he is a pervert? Is the editor implying that "coming on one's own" can be used as a reference to masturbation? If so, I guess that makes sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.42.212 (talk) 06:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name a reference to perverse hobbies? 

message: Couldn't Jairaiya's rank be classified as a Jonin or Sannin? I only bring this up because he's lead his own Team so he has to be Jonin+ and hes strong enough to take on Orochimaru so hes....you see what I mean right? The thing is putting down N/A is inaccurate definition of his Rank.
:He has no rank. Rank is not representative of strength either. Naruto is still a Genin, yet was able to defeat an S-class missing-nin. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 16:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i see what your saying Sephiroth, but i also think it would be ok for information purposes to but maybe his rank according to strength in parenthesis or something next to N/A, such as "(Kage Level Strength)". just a suggestion.Sarutobi627 20:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But that's not official. It is never stated that he has "Kage Level Strength", nor is Kage Level strength even assigned a specific value. Strength is subjective. You Can't See Me! 20:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: ok then couldnt we just put Sannin, because technically that is his level.Sarutobi627 21:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not a level. That's a title. It's more along the lines of "Vlad the Impaler" than "Emperor Vlad." You Can't See Me! 21:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: What?Sarutobi627 21:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sanin is not a ninja rank. It is a title given to him. He is one of the "Sannin" - one of the "Three Ninja." That's neither a rank nor a level. That's a title. You Can't See Me! 21:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: oo ya i knew what you meant with that. i just didnt know what you where saying with the "Vlad" thing.Sarutobi627 22:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Technically Jariaya IS a JOUNIN.  As stated, you must be of jounin level to train a team of genin, no exceptions.  It's more implied than stated.  Leading of team of ninjas doesn't require this level.  We've seen Shikamaru (a chuunin) lead one in the hunt for Sasuke. Sburstall 22:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's not a Jonin; at least, not at the start of the series. Consider this: a soldier may have skills beyond that of a general and may have led troops at one point, but may not necessarily continue to be a general to this day. You Can't See Me! 22:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're confusing leading with teaching.  It's true a skilled soldier can lead a platoon into battle but takes a certain level to actually TRAIN them.  You don't see army corporals training crack military squads.  It's no different in the Naruto world.  You'll see chuunins and above teach in the academy but chuunins and genins don't instruct small squads.  Just give one example of a non-jounin instructing (not leading) a 3-person genin squad then this discussion will end right now.  70.90.36.205 17:02, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

text: If Jiraiya was a Jonin, the databooks would say so. He isn't given a rank in the databooks, so no rank is given here. ~SnapperTo 21:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Rank 

message: Doesnt that boy at the left next to that girl look like Oki. Im not saying he is but possibly.
:WP:NOT#OR You Can't See Me! 22:31, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jaraiya gennin team 

message: Since we just had a section about the Rasengan removed from his abilities, I thought I'd ask about it here.  It seems to me that, since a lot of significance is placed on Naruto learning this technique from him, we ought to at least make a brief mention of it in his Abilities section - maybe something like "Jiraiya is skilled in the Rasengan technique, but is rarely seen using it outside of training circumstances."  Thoughts? ApokalypseCow 20:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah, and Snapper - minor point, but he did use the Rasengan as a means of boat propulsion in a filler episode.  Still not unique, but I thought I'd point it out.  ApokalypseCow 20:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is, he's capable of using the Rasengan, but he has never used it in on-screen combat. The abilities section is really more like a combat style section. If he does not use it for combat, it really doesn't fit. You Can't See Me! 20:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And it's at the very least implied that he can use it in the Plot overview section. I don't have a problem with it being mentioned in the Abilities section, I just don't think it needs its own paragraph. ~SnapperTo 21:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, since it is at least already implied, I'll add an even briefer mention of it if I can find a good place for it- "In addition to being able to use the Rasengan..."  Failing that, I'll just leave it out. ApokalypseCow 01:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think everyone knows Jiraiya can do Rasengan. It just hasn't come up in battle. The one extended fight he had was while he was drugged and had awful chakra control, which would make Rasengan impossible to use.149.152.121.199 15:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rasengan (again) 

message: the last chapter gave Jiraiya a new ability in the form of, apparently, using the belly of frogs as a means of transport. I think this should be mentioned in his abilities section of his article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.13.209.200 (talk) 20:16, August 24, 2007 (UTC) 
::I agree with you completely on your comment about including that jutsu on one condition. Please tell me the Offical name of the Jutsu. Until then we shall leave it out of the article maybe? Deblow 01:59, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toad Travel 

message: what when did it say minato, kohan,and pein are in jirayas team, this could be but never said.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.223.202.247 (talk) 14:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What?

message: Densetsu no Sannin, or 伝説の三人, means "three people." The kanji used in the article for sannin (三忍) is improper--さんにん in hira (Sa n i n) means "three people"--not three Ninjas. This is how it is used in the manga.  SailorAlea 09:03, 4 October 2007
:http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/naruto/chara.html uses 三忍 (under Naruto). Seems to me precedent is set for nin as ninja instead of people. Do you have a picture of the RAW manga showing a different use? — Someguy0830 (T | C) 10:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 369 uses 三忍, though I don't think he meant that was incorrect. Anyway, the hirigana for 三忍 is given as さんにん, which is also used on the same page for 三人. This, along with my nonexistent knowledge of Japanese and many years of public educated mathematics, tells me that 忍 = 人. 忍 does not yield a useful translation, whereas 人 yields twelve kinds of "people". This suggests that the full title is, as Alea indicated, simply "Legendary Three". That would also explain why "ninja" is absent from both the English manga and the dub whenever they use the title. ~SnapperTo 22:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The dub uses "sannin" last I remember. Not so sure about the manga. In either case, the same character is used for ninja in ninjutsu (忍術), so I fail to see how it would be different here. Furthermore, were is really meant as person, it would have been written in the same manner as ero-sennin (エロ仙人). — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And the manga uses "shinobi" or "ninja". Odd that I wouldn't remember that... ~SnapperTo 03:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, happens. Then there's the legions of translations all saying "three ninja", and I doubt such a fuck up (however trivial) would persist through so many versions. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

text: It's pretty straight forward.  "三忍" is intended as one word, so its "meaning" is closer to "trininja" than "three ninja".  If you actually wanted to say "three ninja", you'd say ... or something like that. –Gunslinger47 06:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think what's confusing people here is that 忍 in 忍者 (ninja) and 人 (people) both have the ニン (nin) reading. Since this manga is about ninjas I think it's obvious which one makes more sense. 70.107.141.110 17:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The meaning of "Sannin"