Talk:Classical guitar technique

message: "Vibrato is possible with a classical guitar by pushing the left hand finger back and forth along the string axis (not across it as for a "bend" in rock or blues music) producing a subtle variation in pitch, both sharper and flatter than the starting note..."
How is this possible on a fretted instrument? As long as the note is being stopped by the fret and not your finger, and you aren't changing the tension by bending it, I can't imagine how this would be, particularly when it's claimed that this actually lowers the note. Could someone please explain this?
::The motion of the finger on the fretboard makes subtle changes in the strings length, creating variations in pitch. Try it, it works.
::::You might be very slightly bending the string laterally, or pushing the string farther downwards towards the fretboard (in either case, only bending the note upwards). The string can only be stopped by frets, so no movement parallel to the string can change the length of the string. I think this part of the article should be deleted, because it makes no sense in terms of physics.
These last two comments are both mistaken. The vibrating length of a string is indeed fixed by the fret, but the pitch of a note depends also on the tension (stretching force) in the string. The tension is determined primarily by the tuning peg, stretching the string round the roller; but a finger placed firmly on the string behind a fret is able to modulate the tension up and down slightly. Pulling towards the nut will raise the tension slightly, making the pitch go up - and conversely, pushing towards the bridge will lower the tension slightly, making the pitch go down. An effective vibrato therefore depends on getting a good grip on the string, and rapidly alternating between a 'stretching' and a 'squeezing' force along the string, usually involving a movement of the whole forearm. Some players will occasionally use more than one finger on the same string, for a more intense vibrato: this is analogous to a two-handed tennis grip. An interesting point here is that, as well as altering the tension in the vibrating portion of the string, we inevitably have to work on the non-vibrating segment of the string between the nut and the fret, at the same time. In the case of a note at the twelfth fret, about half of the effort of vibrato is wasted on the non-vibrating half of the string, but lower down towards the first position, a higher and higher proportion of the vibrato force is taken up, uselessly, in stretching and squeezing the non-vibrating portion. This is why it's always easier to get the vibrato effect in the higher positions on any string, whereas you have to work very hard to get vibrato to work at frets 1 and 2. These remarks all refer to the 'normal' (longitudinal) type of vibrato, as opposed to lateral vibrato which can only bend the pitch upwards, by stretching the string sideways.Hjohntaylor 20:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I respectfully disagree. The pitch is not changing because the string is pulled or pushed. The tension is changed by how close the finger is to the fret. When the finger is closer to the fret, the string is pressed in at a sharper angle just before the fret. This causes the string to be slightly lengthened, resulting in higher tension, raising the frequency. This can be tested out by gently "rolling" your finger towards and away from a fret. The pitch will increase slightly as the finger rolls toward the fret, and lower as the finger rolls away. 
Yamex5 (talk) 03:11, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Vibrato

message: I have seen a guitarist implement his chin into the playing of classical guitar. I can't recall who this man is, or how to find his website (I just googled it, and can't find anything), but the technique still exists, so should it be included on this page? He taps his chin on the desired note (most often bass notes on the low E-string) and I believe the mere tapping is what produces the sound, although plucking the string thereafter can produce further chin-tones. Input?
:The guitarist is Alexander Vynograd. A discussion of his technique can be found, e.g., here. https://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?t=13809  However, I think this it too 'outlandish' to be discussed in this article. To my knowledge he is the only professional guitarist who uses this technique (of course, I know very little about guitarists in, say, Central Africa, Middle Asia, Siberia and other places). If anything, the technique should be mentioned/explained in an article about this guitarist. 2003:C1:BF0C:9D30:2C61:D51E:2587:D26C (talk) 19:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New technique 

message: I question the validity of the inclusion of the material that appears under the above headings. I suggest it has more to do with guitar construction c/f technique and so belongs in another article. Also the claim that the raised fingerboard is advantageous to right hand is subjective and no justification has been provided. The inclusion of manufacturer's names is a little redolent of marketing.RichardJ Christie 03:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Couldn't agree more.  Additionally, the same text appears on Classical guitar making.  So I removed that (and the accessories section), and put in a link to Portal:Classical guitar.  -- TimNelson 09:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elevated fingerboards and high frets 

message: When I was first figuring out how to file my nails correctly and design the shape and contour so as to best facilitate good tone-production and projection, I think it would have helped me tremendously to have one consolidated location to consult for that information. Does anyone else think there should be a larger section, or possibly a separate page, on classical guitar fingernail shaping and setup? Forgive me if there already is one and I just couldn't find it. 
Tanque 16:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is already pretty heavy on technique, probably because there are lots and lots of guitarists among Wikipedia editors. I don't use my nails at all, by the way. At first this was merely a practical compromise because I also play piano where nails are impossible, but eventually I decided I prefer the sound of flesh on the guitar. That's just me, but I've heard that at one point virtually all classical guitarists played without (long) nails and that the introduction of nail-playing was very controversial in its day. TheScotch (talk) 08:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Actually, many guitarists recommend (and practice) a different way to file the nails -- i.e. filing a 'ramp'. Yet, any detailed discussion cannot but go astray. It would be better simply to state that there are different ways to file the nails and that this is one of the most tricky issues for most guitarists.2003:C1:BF0C:9D30:2C61:D51E:2587:D26C (talk) 19:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fingernails 

message: The ridiculous bibliography of real low quality texts on guitar technique (as well as links to real low quality bibliography on the subject) has been removed.
You want to know about technique? Start with expression, instead of today's ridiculous trends of focusing on technique, fingers and outer useless stuff as the be-all and end-all of music.
Simply disgusting.
Virtuosa julie (talk) 18:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Substance please 

message: Come on!
Whoever ( - Richard Provost????? or Kevicoll (Kevin Collins)???? or someone else????) edited the text to this version , wrote:
"articulation, or slurring (commonly known as 'hammer-ons and 'pull-offs')"
Articulation is NOT SLURRING !!!!!
Articulation has in fact got more to do with the plucking hand (usually right hand) under most circumstances. (Of course left-hand hammer-on's etc. are also a part of articulation).
Luckily wikipedia allows edits and revisions etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Virtuosa julie (talk • contribs) 18:52, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a restrictive view of "articulation"...  

message: It sounds like a conversation between a bunch of people have no idea what they want to say, but are determined to say it in no less than 10,000 words. The p-i-m-a notation is casually introduced somewhere in the middle. The fact that classical guitar is reliant on explicit notation is not noted explicitly at all. It's obvious to some but not to all. The appoyando/tirando distinction is introduced, dropped and then brought up again. Large chunks of the article are editorial on the subject of how everybody except the writer is doing it wrong. Yeuch.
And the lede has got to be a piss-take
"The classical guitar technique is a fingerstyle technique used by classical guitarists to play classical guitar music on a classical guitar."
As of August 2011. 1Z (talk) 00:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a windy, waffly article.

message: I think imperative style writing is inappropriate to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is supposed to be descriptive. Sentences like "Care should be taken to unlock 1 & 2." are not encyclopedic. That is just direct advice. The whole article needs to be revised to avoid this sort of thing (and generally needs lots of revision anyway).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Backfromquadrangle (talk • contribs) 17:31, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing perspective 

message: All links with the exception of 4 and 6 are either broken or the content is gone.
Can the author either replace them or remove the links please? 
Yamex5 (talk) 03:11, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes 

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message: Wouldn't it be more inclusive for left-handed people to write "plucking hand" and "fretting hand" instead? You can see these names in use more and more often.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.7.0.17 (talk) 22:57, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. These expressions are understood by all guitarists.2003:C1:BF0C:9D30:2C61:D51E:2587:D26C (talk) 19:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Right and left hand names 

message: I just wanted to say that, despite not being up to "Wikipedia standards" and all that jazz, this article is nonetheless a great resource for anyone looking to read about classical guitar technique. 185.69.145.118 (talk) 11:11, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great article 

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