Talk:Safir (rocket)

message: My reading of several sources leads me to think Kavoshgar-1 is the first flight of a Kavoshgar rocket. This certainly seems to be the usage in Gulf Daily News coverage. (sdsds - talk) 01:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is "1" part of the type, or the flight number 

message: The picture is of the Safir launcher, and NOT the missile that was launched and named Kavoshgar 1. The name of Iran's launcher is SAFIR, and not IRIL V - that stands for Islamic Republic of Iran Launch Vehicle.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.8.52.93 (talk) 07:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrections 

message: Observations of magnitudes of the upper stage and satellite are consistent with the launcher having two stages, not three.    http://satobs.org/seesat/Feb-2009/0061.html
131.111.200.200 (talk) 10:58, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 stages 

message: I've been studying details of the launches, and I think that the Safir and Kavoshgar are two distinct vehicles. I would say that the launch in 2007 used a Shahab-3, the launches in February and November 2008 used Kavoshgars, and the launches in August 2008 and February 2009 (the latter being Omid) used Safirs. Does anyone have any objection to splitting the article accordingly. --GW… 10:20, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are certain about, I fully agree in the splitting of this article. Tom Paine (talk) 14:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kavoshgar 

message: They talk about Kavoshgar 3 in the news, what is that compared to this rocket and what range does it have? 83.108.194.198 (talk) 12:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Did this rocket payload reached orbit? Tom Paine (talk) 14:08, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not sure, I think it was just a test. 83.108.194.198 (talk) 16:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kavoshgar 3 

message: Regarding allegations of failed launches of the Safir in 2012, German space rocket expert Norbert Brugge suggests that the purported September 2012 launch failure is probably a failed suborbital flight of the Kavoshgar-5 rocket because the TEL seen in the satellite imagery near the Semnan launch site is too small to accomodate the Safir and is better-suited to accomodate Shahab-type sounding rockets (Brugge 2013). This possibility has yet to be confirmed by Iran, but seems plausible because North Korea lied about the outcome of its failed space launches by declaring them successful and Iran has not reported on any failed launches. 
Brugge, Norbert. Safir-1A/B IRILV. N.p., n.d. Web. 21 July 2013. <http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets_1/Rest_World/Safir-1B-IRILV/Description/Frame.htm>. 68.4.28.33 (talk) 16:19, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Iran is not North Korea, I don't think it is reasonable to assume that both would cover up failures in the same way - the Soviet Union used to simply not announce failures, which is a better method because if you don't announce the launch it is much harder to prove it failed than if you claim it was successful - the latter can easily be disproved when nothing appears in orbit. With regards the analysis you have linked to, while an interesting read it is completely wrong. While evidence does exist which suggests a Kavoshgar failure in September 2012 - including photographs of the rocket on the launch pad - they show it on a different launch pad to the one where the blast damage was observed. Indeed, the monkey launches used a smaller, presumably solid-fuelled rocket, not the Shahab-derived rocket seen on the first test launch. --W. D. Graham 20:45, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged 2012 launch failures 

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