Talk:Singapore Scout Association/Archive 1

message: This article fails Wikipedia standards in several respects. It is too much a vanity piece and is not from a neutral point of view (NPOV). I am doing a major edit on it and will move some parts of the article to here.
"The group is led by adult leaders, their assistants, and others." - all Scout Groups are.
"Sec 1 - Juniors   (troop)
Sec 2 - Instars   (troop)
Sec 3 - Seniors   (troop)
Sec 4 - Venture 1 (training team)
J1    - Venture 2 (ventures)"
This is completely unclear to me. Put it back if you can show it is a notable point and can make it clear.
"The current six patrols names are: Dolphin, Lion, Orca, Panther, Shark, Tiger.". WP is not just a collection of information.
The Troop Song is also non-encyclopedic. --Bduke 01:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: It has been noted that some texts in this page were directly lifted from copyrighted material, including from contents in the official SSA site. Someone look into this and do the neccesary? Thanks!--Huaiwei 17:00, 12 April 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright

message: There are proposals to merge two Group articles here. There is also one other Singapore Group article. Those three articles are, I believe more than 50% of all articles on Scouts Groups world-wide. The generally accepted view is that articles on individual Groups are not notable. To be notable, they have to be the oldest or the largest, and even these may be disputed. See discussions on Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting and its related articles. The best way forward is to make new articles on the two Areas or possibly the 13 Districts in Singapore and add part of the articles on the Groups to those. The alternative is that these Groups articles will be put up for deletion at some point. In the UK the idea is to have articles on Counties (England) or Areas (Scotland and Wales). Group articles are generally moved into those articles and made redirects there. Much the same happens in Australia and the USA. What do Singapore's Scouts think about this? --Bduke 11:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge all of them into this article.Rlevse 11:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Merge all as per nomination, otherwise, delete as non-notable. Chris 16:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge of Group articles

message: Please be noted that primary school scouts had been officially been named from Cadet Scouts to Cub Scouts.
:Then the article Cadet Scout needs to be moved to Cub Scout (Singapore). I have changed the link from Cub Scout in the article so it actually links to Cadet Scout, but more tidying up needs to be done and I am busy on a long wikibreak. --Bduke 12:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cub Scout

message: I was thinking whether we should impose a rule which restricts any details or brief mentions of an individual unit's history and achievements in the page. Currently, almost all of the "bigger and better" scout units had been doing so. I personally are against it. It will be very chaotic if the rest of the other units follow suit. -- Skyfoo 07:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Scout Units

message: This needs the Malay transliteration. Chris 06:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Arabic script tagging

message: *Support. No notability of Troop. It needs to be be cut right back and merged here. Otherwise it will and should be deleted. --Bduke 09:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Comment. I think you meant "Not support merge". Being the first in the eastern part of Singapore does not cut it. Being the first or largest in Singapore might. There are very few articles on individual Troops or Groups in the world on Wikipedia. All that were created have been deleted or merged as non-notable. If it goes to Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion, as it surely will at some time, it will get deleted. You might as well merge the essentials now as we did for several other troop articles last year. --Bduke 21:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: *Comment. Giving a Scout name to people who have merely passed the Advanced Scout Standard (usually at the age of 14 & possibly having only 2 years of Scouting experience) is not even a decent example of rich history. Perhaps there can be a collated group page. Kenshino (talk) 06:51, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Note that this discussion closed nearly 3 years ago and the article was deleted. Since then all information on individual Scout Groups has been deleted on this article and on many others from around the world, unless they are very notable such as oldest. The idea of a collated group page is not a good one. Groups are not generally notable.  --Bduke  (Discussion) 07:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge of [[Pajigwad Scout Troop]]

message: * :File:Singapore SSA.svg With scroll
* :File:Emblem of Singapore Scouting Association (without Scroll).svg Without scroll
Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 16:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which is more correct? 

message: I was thinking of adding more information to this article. For those who have some knowledge of the areas below please help to add in.
1. Camps (eg. Singapore Jamboree, Camp Leaping Wolf)
2. Competitions (eg. Pioneering Competition, NPC)
3. Events (eg. JOTI/JOTA, POW WOW)
4. Uniform
5. Scout Shop
6. Saribum Campsite
7. Badges
8. Awards
9. Differences between land and sea Scouting
10. History of Air Scouting
11. Cub/Scout/Venture/Rover/Leader
-- Skyfoo 07:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of it, yes. There seems to be shortage of editors in Singapore interested in the broad aspects of the association. --Bduke  (Discussion) 21:06, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I can write on any of the following topics. Do tell me what you think is needed in the wiki page and I'll write it. --Kenshino (talk) 04:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Addition of information

message: This section below is moved from the main article because it is not sourced and it may be a copyright violation. Give a source for it before moving it back, but do not move it back if it is a direct copy of the source.
"The Singapore Scout Logo consists of a fleur-de-lys (trefoil) with the Crescent and Five Stars of the State Emblem superimposed over it.
The Fleur-de-lys, since early times, has been used to decorate the North point of the compass on maps. It is characteristic of the fact, therefore, that a Scout shows the way for others to follow.
The trefoil is emblematic of the three parts of the Scout Promise. The middle portion points upwards and above the other two, signifying the lofty ideals of the Scout and the Movement.
Through the middle of this mid-point is a line pointing upwards. This represents the Scout’s belief in God.
The two side-portions of the fleur-de-lys are equal and balanced, representing the fact that humanity is the same and everywhere equal. These two portions also stand for the balanced views of the Scout and his sense of equality and justice with regard to all things and people.
The two stars on either side represent the eyes of the Scout and through them he sees the stars’ ten points, representing the original ten Scout Laws which have been embodied into five.
The three parts of the Promise are bound together by the circle containing the Crescent and the Five Stars which represent the State and the Nation. The circle is the bond of brotherhood and it “ties” up to the Scout’s allegiance to his country and his desire to be a useful citizen.
Below the circle of Crescent and Stars is a line which represents the Scout. This individuality, however, it not so aloof or alone as not to connect the Scout to God and the State (the circle)."
--Bduke 10:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Singapore Scout Logo

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