Talk:Wilhelmstrasse

message: Relative to my recent revert - the marker at the old Chancellery, Wilhelmstrasse 77, has Hitler's photo on it. The marker at the new Chancellery, on the corner of Voss-strasse, does not. Adam 03:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was move. Do not revert this move. Philip Baird Shearer 17:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Chancellery 

message: See also how Voss-strasse and Voßstrasse got pushed around recently. 
There needs to be some policy taking care of that. I find it remarkable that English Wikipedia search yields lists 7 pages of results with strasse, but 11 pages with straße despite the alleged hardship of typing a "ß" --Matthead 14:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then please move it to Voss street in the meantime. --Matthead 14:38, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The general Wikipedia policy is WP:UE, which boils down to "Use English".  There is also a guideline in work, specifically related to non-English characters in article titles.  To see the current status of the (proposed but not yet approved) guideline, please see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics). It currently says that the "ß" character is okay for use within the body of an article, but to avoid various other problems, should probably not be used in an article title. --Elonka 18:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voss-strasse or Voßstrasse or ? 

message: At Wikipedia:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board/Umlaut and ß I've been putting together some examples of how English language publications deal with ß and umlauts. Would anyone like to contribute? Discussions using reason and argument have so far only ended in stalemates, and I am hoping that if we can agree on how the matter is usually dealt with in printed English it might give us some clues on how to do so at Wikipedia. Saint|swithin 11:12, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Umlaut and ß sources

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was no consensus. GrooveDog (talk) (Review) 21:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about? The RM in 2006 was Wilhelmstrasse → Wilhelmstraße, The result of the debate was move. Do not revert this move. And what was supposedly "Now reverted without discussion by a single editor"? Please explain.-- Matthead discuß!     O       08:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected false claims here and at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Wilhelmstraße is consensus, and no revert was made either. -- Matthead discuß!     O       19:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

text: *Question - Who refuses to acknowledge the above? Noel has access to the various sources and his word on the matter, in my opinion, is invaluable. Charles 22:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
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#Encyclopedias
#*EB: 2 uses of Wilhelmstrasse, under Spandau and Berlin; note that both of these are the physical street, not the metaphor. None of Wilhelmstraße.
#*Encarta none.Characteristically, the search does give two English results , with strasse, and one in German, with eszett, from the rest of MSN. 
#*Columbia None. 
#Other standard sources:
#*Paul Seabury: The Wilhelmstrasse, 1954. So spelled both on title page and in text (p. 2, usw.
#*Joachim Joesten: The New Wilhelmstrasse. 1952. Title in caps; so spelled p. 11. 
#*Not used in country study of Germany or NCMH
#*Standard usage, for the Foreign Office, in Barbara Tuchman and George Kennan. 
#Scholarly google. 
#*Google Scholar. This has the problem that it turns up both results indistinguishably, and that it turns up German uses as easily as English. But forcing English by including Foreign and street both turn up several hundred results, with the overwhelming majority Wilhelmstrasse. 
#*Searching Google Books for Wilhelmstraße turns up 2160 books; over half the first hundred are in English, and none of those use Wilhelmstraße.Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move request

message: #Encyclopedias
#*EB: 2 uses of Wilhelmstrasse, under Spandau and Berlin; note that both of these are the physical street, not the metaphor. None of Wilhelmstraße.
#*Encarta none.Characteristically, the search does give two English results , with strasse, and one in German, with eszett, from the rest of MSN. 
#*Columbia None. 
#Other standard sources:
#*Paul Seabury: The Wilhelmstrasse, 1954. So spelled both on title page and in text (p. 2, usw.
#*Joachim Joesten: The New Wilhelmstrasse. 1952. Title in caps; so spelled p. 11. 
#*Not used in country study of Germany or NCMH
#*Standard usage, for the Foreign Office, in Barbara Tuchman and George Kennan. 
#Scholarly google. 
#*Google Scholar. This has the problem that it turns up both results indistinguishably, and that it turns up German uses as easily as English. But forcing English by including Foreign and street both turn up several hundred results, with the overwhelming majority Wilhelmstrasse. 
#*Searching Google Books for Wilhelmstraße turns up 2160 books; over half the first hundred are in English, and none of those use Wilhelmstraße.Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: data

message: Raise their hands who think that  is appropriate for this page in its current state .
* .
Raise their hands who think it is not appropriate.
* Stefán 19:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The good faith and general cleverness of the idea to use this tag in this way, during the ongoing move discussion, and including a revert of its removal is hereby totally disputed assumed, but not without some effort. —AldeBaer 19:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, and Stefán, I vote in favour of removing that annoying accent aigu acute accent from your signature. The name Stefan is most commonly spelt without it in English speaking newspapers and boathouses all over the known multiverse. —AldeBaer 19:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

text: AldeBaer, the comment was immature and things like that should not be posted with the intention to incite an argument. Also, I am leaning to think that the tag is a bit inappropriate. The name is disputed. Charles 23:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first comment or the second one (which I'm striking right now as inappropriate humor)? —AldeBaer 12:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Charles, I disagree my comment was immature, and I most certainly did not post it with the intention to incite an argument. This and this combined do require some effort to assume perfectly good faith, !ronically precisely because things like that can incite an argument. Or how could it possibly be useful to tag the article with  during the ongoing debate? It was either unthoughtful (which I assume), or it happened in bad faith: Take your pick. —AldeBaer 19:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

text: *(To Charles) In fact, I dispute the use of Wilhelmstraße in the text, both as POV and as erroneous; except of course to note it is the German spelling.  Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Pmanderson, I have always understood that moves and discussions are firstly to determine the name of the article itself. The content would later be changed to reflect that. Charles 21:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

text: **The Keep !votes are are the ground that Wilhelmstrasse is not a English word (this still seems perverse for a word the OED lists); Wilhelmstraße certainly isn't, and we should at least italicize it. MOS goes further: "The choice between anglicized and native spellings should follow English usage." Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:40, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totally disputed tag 

message: But in the meantime, why not move? Spell the name as English does (always for the Foreign Office, which is primary usage in English; and usually for the street)> Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In light of the recent consensus to use Franz Josef Strauss, is there a reason not to move this page to what English works usually call it? The evidence is above; but let's not have a WP:RM brawl if we don't need one. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done; I will discuss here, or reduce the page to the compromise form shown at Voßstraße, in another 24 hours, whichever is called for. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

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