Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)/Archive 5

message: I'm gonna include how the eye pattern is similar to that of Yuhi Kurenai because it just is. Also I don't know why Itachi is listed only as a genjutsu specialist. Having the sharingan to copy jutsu of countless jonin who are sent after you since you are a missing nin will definitly make anyone a master in all three forms of jutsu. We've seen Tsukiyomi (genjutsu) and Amaterasu (ninjutsu), not to mention that exploding bushin trick (ninjutsu). so I'm gonna include both mastery on ninjutsu and genjutsu on Itachi.
: Re: Leader - That would just be speculation, isn't it? Has it been confirmed in the manga that the leader and Kurenai had the same eye patterns? To me, they both have round red eyes, so do a couple other characters.--Sphinxridd 15:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Re: Itachi -  I'm not sure how specifically 'specialist' is defined. I think I like what's in the profile right now - "Defining characteristics: Mastery of the Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan, extremely skilled with genjutsu and ninjutsu" The choice of words is good and the statement doesn't underestimate him.--Sphinxridd 15:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Akatsuki Leader/Itachi 

message: I failed this article for Good Article status. Per  (the article when I was reviewing), this article does not conform with the Manual of Style (writing about fiction). The whole article is written from the perspective of the fiction. Where is the author/creator? How about its development history? Popularity of the subject in the real world? etc. Go dig more research of this subject! Find more reliable sources rather than the manga itself. When all of these matters are resolved, then this article can be resubmitted again. — Indon (reply) — 18:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: that's some authority you have there - being able to put a banner on top of the page suggesting that it needs cleanup. so what happens if no one cleans it up according to the rules you referenced?--Sphinxridd 22:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anybody can put the template up. It has nothing to do with authority. It'll stay up until the page is fixed. Who put this up for GA anyways? It was obviously not ready. Nemu 22:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i was being sarcastic because of his tone. --Sphinxridd 22:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: but yea, the article is far from well written. I suspect while the story is ongoing and while there is weekly development of Akatsuki, many casual editors (like me) who may not know the rules of wikipedia editing would tempt to edit the article. When there are many different writing styles mixed together, the overall quality of the article suffers. --Sphinxridd 23:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How do we get other sources besides the manga it is primarly manga, did he even know it was an anime/manga article, because it sure doesn't seem like it. I believe this article is ready for nomination.Sam ov the blue sand 00:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I must say, I have not seen reasons for a failed GA that were so bad in my life. - Malomeat 02:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You call those bad reasons?  A encyclopedia needs a standard for how articles written, and this article does indeed not meet that standard (in this case, the writing about fiction guideline).  NeoChaosX  (he shoots, he scores!) 02:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA 

message: Ok, this is the topic that me and Someguy0830 have had a long controversy. As far as I'm concerned, we should not use the word "greedy", or "greedy" or "obvious greed" to depict as Kakuzu's characteristic. The info should be change to "strong desire for money". Someguy suggests me to bring it on this discussion. What about others' opinion?Causesobad 08:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Strong desire for money" is basically the definition for the word "greed". Unless you want to replace all of the words in the article with their definition, I see no reason why all two instances of the word "greed" should be replaced. ~SnapperTo 21:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep greed. The only reason to use "desire for money" in place of one of the two instances of greed would be as a stylistic choice to avoid redundancy. --tjstrf talk 22:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And even then, do comments like money being the only dependable thing in the world and not caring about hell due to money signify a just simple desire for money? I sort of doubt that. Nemu 23:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Greed is not always desire for money. It refers to material things in general. So if you said that it's a "basically definition for the word "greed" is wrong. For Kakuzu's case, he likes money, and money itself. Money becomes a tangible object for his desire. "Greed" is a wide range of material lust in general, but up till now, we don't know, also we can see or at least be mentioned in the series that Kakuzu has used money he got to serve his assumed-lust for "material thing" or not. For Kakuzu, money-loving has become a syndrome, not serving for his own need to use it, so we can't apply the word "greed" for him.  Causesobad 18:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Greed isn't always about money, but it is most of the time. Kakuzu has an unhealthy obsession with money, he desires more and more money, he cares more for money than people, ect. All of those fit greed. Nemu 18:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  He calls himself the treasurer of Akatsuki. He's not greedy? But Greed is an unhealthy obsession with material things, most commonly assigned to food or money. I think in leiu of greedy we should try something more "P.C.". Seriously I think money-motivated would work well for him, unless someone in story calls him greedy.Rayfire 19:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it's a hobby that's evolved into an obsession? While he seemes to enjoy collecting cash, we don't have any proof that he greedily holds on to the money... One could go with the explenation that he's nothing more but a mere(?) treasurer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.228.148.167 (talk) 20:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we use the word "greed" for Kakuzu? 

message: So I was reading through this Akatsuki page today and I noticed that it says the charm on his beads is an upside-down triangle inside of a circle. I got confused for a bit because I knew that I had been drawing it as a rightside-up triangle and had been using references. The colored cover from chapter 317 (which is shown in the article as Hidan's picture) indeed shows it being upside-down. This got me to looking through the manga from where Hidan first appeared in 312 until the beads were broken when Asuma decapitated him.
When Hidan first takes them out in 313 to pray before fighting Yugito, the triangle is upside-down. They are not really shown again until the 317 cover where he is first seen wearing them as a necklace and it is upside-down again. The beads are not clearly shown after that until Hidan starts his voodoo ritual against Team Asuma where the triangle is rightside-up. For the rest of the fight until the beads are broken, the triangle remains rightside-up. So, I was right in my drawings, but the article is also right...
What should we do then? Would it be best to keep the orientation of the triangle out of the article to prevent contradiction? Kangarugh22 18:23, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The volume 36 cover that can be seen now on leafninja.com has Hidan and Kakuzu on it. The triangle is rightside-up. I would say that's the way Kishimoto wants it now that's it's been on a volume cover.Kangarugh22 00:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidan's Prayer Beads 

message: In Akatsuki's first meeting which happened in chapter 238, it was mentioned that they had not met in a group like this for 7 years. Itachi was present. According to Itachi's profile, he was 18 in the part I. So he was 11 or younger when he joined Akatsuki? Wasn't it also mentioned that he became a Chuunin at 10, and became an ANBU sqad leader at 13 or something? so how early did he defect? --Sphinxridd 05:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe he/she meant that they had not met up in more than groups of two rather than the rather large group that was present at the time, or maybe they hadn't had all 9 members at the time since Itachi maybe Itachi replaced a dead former member or something along those lines.Sam ov the blue sand 17:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just happened to watch the episode again. (...and reread the manga chapter to confirm) - it says they haven't met like this since 7 years ago when Orochimaru left the organization, and we know that Orochimaru and Itachi belonged together to Akatsuki at one point because Orochimaru left Akatsuki because of Itachi growing stronger. So Itachi was already a member 7 years ago, which means he joined before he was 11 years old. is that right?!?! Orochimaru couldn't beat Itachi when Itach was 11 or younger?! --Sphinxridd 07:18, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: But going by that theory, Itachi would've joined Akatsuki BEFORE Orochimaru defected, making him even younger. 217.208.27.4 20:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No he was there because Orochimaru said so.Sam ov the blue sand 22:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did Itachi join Akatsuki? 

message: I couldn't help but notice that Deidara's part of the article is saying he's been given a 'very deep, male voice' in the anime. Now, as a Naruto fan myself, I try and keep up with this kind of stuff, and I havn't found anything supporting this. Should this be taken out, or at least that handy little 'citation needed' thing added? Ansalo 08:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Episode 135, last two minutes. It's made quite clear that it's him. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unknown Voice Actor 

message: Each mask creature is able to control and attack with a specific chakra element: the eagle uses wind, the lion uses fire, and the ox uses lightning. The broken mask is never given the chance to display its element.
Isn't the next element available/left water?????
:The Broken Mask is Earth. It was confirmed already since lightning element chakra beats Earth Style Chakra of his Iron Skin. He might have not stolen the heart of a water style chakra user yet which is why he only has four masks not 5.
::Nope.  We don't know what mask it was.  We know that he used an earth jutsu to protect himself, and that it was beaten, but we don't know that it was the earth heart that was pierced after kakashi broke through and destroyed _A_ heart.  We know that he can use all FIVE affinities, and he has four masks, thus he has an affinity IN ADDITION to the masks.  Therefore, it could be just as likely that  his natural, original affinity is earth, and the broken mask was a water one.  I'm sure all this will eventually be explained in the manga, so there is certainly no pressing need to speculate, even here.Plunge 01:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: im just saying the broken mask should be water but im not sure. the only reason i think this is because every jutsu he used for the masks the masks came off his body where as when he used the earth jutsu no masks where shown.Hoshigaki Kisame 13:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  elements 

message: Why does Itachi have lines going from his eyes to his nose? 74.234.47.25 22:08, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just part of his facial structure. If you look at Kakuzu, he has similar features under his eyes.  In a black and white comic, lines are often used instead of shading or coloring to show where aging might have occured.  I would think that they might be fron lack of sleep or something similar, but thats just conjecture on my part. Xeago 03:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I've actually seen some guys with "lines" like that... One of them attended my previous school... It's actually just wrinkles, caused by stretched skin on the nose, continuing down the cheeks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.208.26.179 (talk) 21:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Itachi's Lines 

message: I added a colored version of the sealing statue of Akatsuki. Hope I helped. Please don't delete it. Gaara the Fifth Kazekage 02:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Colored pictures, with few exceptions, are fan art and get removed automatically. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But this is cool fan-art...Gaara the Fifth Kazekage 05:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How "cool" something is is irrelevant. It's a misrepresentation of the subject because the actual colors are never shown. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. And sign with four tildes. --Tohru Honda13Sign here! 05:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Picture