Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics/Archive 6

message: I just wanted some feedback on the format for the medal tables on the various "sport at the XXXX Summer olympics".  For example, the Athletics at the 1900 Summer Olympics page had the country listed along with the IOC acronym.  (USA, GBR, FRA etc.).  Zé da Silva edited the page so that it removed those acronyms and I reverted it back.  I just want to be sure about whether those acronmys should be inserted into those medal tables.  Perakhantu 18:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can look at similar tables for other Games and see that the nation's name is used. Parutakupiu talk || contribs 18:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: uh... I know that.  I was wondering if it is official policy to include the IOC country acronyms as well inside those medal tables.  Perakhantu 18:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we still don't have official policies, it's more consensual decisions. The acronyms are extensively used next to the nation's names in similar tables, so I guess this can be considered official. (We're in dire need to draft project guidelines :S) Parutakupiu talk || contribs 18:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think our common style is to definitely to include the country codes.  User:Zé da Silva has recently started working hard on the 1900 Games articles, and has made several questionable changes to our common style.  A talk page message might be in order.  Andrwsc 18:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologise for having either removed the country codes or not included them on creating tables against the project 'policy'. Both versions (with and without the codes) are found on many articles and my view was that flagIOCteam would only be used when there had actually a team involved (say, in the medal summaries of team sports). I now understand this is not wanted. Zé da Silva 19:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries!  It's sometimes hard to tell what our "preferred style" is, especially when working on the older Games first, as it is still very much a "work in progress" to get everything up to the same style.  The best bet may be to look at the 2004 Games for guidance, as we tend to be working towards making those articles the "gold standard".  As you can see in a discussion thread above, even that is only halfway done, with several sports still needing attention.  Andrwsc 19:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, Andrwsc beats me to the reply.  :P  Perakhantu 19:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Medal counts

message: I have a question about the categories at this article. Since this is an article about the entire Olympic history, should the categories for Summer and Winter games be here? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, but the idea is that categories such as :Category:Belarus at the Olympics would contain a set of articles, one per-Games (both winter and summer), plus one (maybe more) summary-level articles, such as Belarus at the Olympics.  There should be no need whatsoever for two sub-categories (one each for Winter and Summer), even for nations like the USA, which has 44 of these articles (and a few others).  Andrwsc 21:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I will make it clearer. At the bottom of Belarus at the Olympics, there is a category for nations at the summer/winter Olympics. Since this is the main article about the Olympic history, I am not sure if we need those sub cats. (I also notice a template of  was removed. Can I put it back?). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those categories are a bit of a mess right now, mostly because the set of articles in the "... at the Olympics" series is woefully disorganized and/or incomplete.  That's another reason why that navigation box is somewhat useless - of the ~200 nations that ought to be in it, there are only 22 (mostly small African nations) in it.  I think it would be better to hold off on that nav. box until we sort out the categories and articles.  Andrwsc 21:31, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Anything else I should do before I send this to Good Article Candidates? (I don't do much work on Olympic articles, but if yall try to make an article on the Olympic flag, come see me and I can help you with that). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we've got a section for the flag at Olympic symbols#Flag, which at some point will hopefully be spun off into an article on its own.  Any help you'd care to give there would be much appreciated! -- Jonel (Speak to me) 22:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, we have a need for an icon image that we can use for results pages for athletes who competed under the Olympic flag at specific Games.  Right now, we are using :Image:Olympic flag.svg at 22x20px resolution in usage such as  to produce , and also in the infobox on articles like Australia at the 1980 Summer Olympics.  I think we may be on questionable fair-use grounds here, so any help or advice you can provide on a permanent solution for a low resolution, yet recognizable image might be helpful.  Andrwsc 22:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Olympic flag article is started at User:Zscout370/Olympic flag, yall are welcome to jump in and edit it. As for the icon, I understand what you want, but I am guessing we could use the plain white flag. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:41, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Another general question; does all Olympic results have to be stuck with a citation mark? If so, would the NOC or the IOC be a good citation? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:07, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The best reference for each of these articles would be the official Olympic report for the particular Games.  One of the things I'd like to do someday is create proper citations (using ) and place them in every "... at the xxxx Olympics" articles for a given year.  You can find the PDF files for most of these results books at the LA84 Foundation website.  As for style, I think these articles would look terrible if every individual result was cited.  A single well-formed reference at the bottom of the page ought to do.  Hope this helps, Andrwsc 21:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the reports, that isn't the hard part. Just needing to cite it is what I am just wondering about. Thanks, I am hoping this passes GA. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 21:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Belarus at the Olympics]] 

message: Due to the comments I faced at the Belarus article mentioned above, I had to modify the template to add a space where event results can be cited. Comments please. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bad idea.  That messes up the formatting of hundreds of other transclusions that don't use this extra column!  See my changes to Belarus at the Olympics for a backwards-compatible solution.  Andrwsc 22:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, that works. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great idea. I would suggest that they be converted into refs using the  template. As well, perhaps we could create a page on which there would be linked multiple references we use frequently, like what is used at Wikipedia:Geographic references. The references for census info, so that they do not have to be repeated, are listed there. On our page, we could use something like medal tables, main games pages, aafla reports, etc, that we use often. The correct source could be called up with a template, and it would be added to the refs section of the page just like every other ref added to the page. I would have to look into this though; it's just a suggestion. └Jared┘┌t┐  22:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I once had similar thoughts along those lines, but didn't do anything about it.  I think it's a great idea, since the official report for each individual Games would need to be referenced on perhaps 300 articles (for recent Games), and it would be awfully useful for maintenance reasons to keep that under template control.  Andrwsc 22:45, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why didn't I think of that? What a time- and work-saving measure! Parutakupiu talk || contribs 22:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For right now, I am using the IOC website as a citation for Olympic results, so once the templates are done, let me know so I can add them to the article. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: There is still a lot of work to be done with that page, but it's a start and I reckon its utility will grow proportionally with its construction ;) What will be needed is a list of the  strings, like aafla, medal, and others because it seems they'll be the most numerous and varied. Good job. Parutakupiu talk || contribs 23:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:MedalTable changes 

message: It was alluded to above that we reconsider what to do with the medal tables for each games (those "pages" on ) because of the fact that it is almost impossible to keep an appropriate tally, find reliable sources, or ensure that no one number is changed or whatnot. Now, I know that Andrwsc has done considerable work to those pages so for now, I thought I would make a suggestion as to what to do with the other pages. 
First should probably come the deletion of the three "total" pages: Summer Olympics medal count, Winter Olympics medal count, and Total Olympics medal count. These pages, as mentioned above and continuously throughout the months, contain grouped nations that should not probably be grouped, some that should have been, some nations that have split apart, etc, whereby now, any attempt at creating a total count would not be accurate to say the least. The highest we can possibly look at medal counts accurately is on a single-games-level.
As for the other pages (per-games tables), there technically isn't anything wrong with them, but technically, there isn't much to say, really; just the table is about it. I've been mulling this over, and what I sort of came up with is that since every nation that competed at the games is already listed on the main games page under the Participating NOCs/Nations section, why not just list any medals won there? Now the problems I have come up with with this "solution" include the fact that there are already numbers next to each nation to denote number of participants, how would we differentiate between gold/silver/bronze and should we, should we delete the old tables, ...? Now that I think of it, it may not be the best solution, but I will still think about it. Perhaps something like this: 
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It seems a little big and doesn't offer much room to put the number of participants (which is more important?), but it looks cool and also wouldn't show a ranking if placed in the NOC section. Just a thought.
This adds the number of participants, but is humongus:
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— └Jared┘┌t┐  13:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind—this for example just looks ridiculous. So my suggestion now after that big long rant: keep the by-year pages and delete the three cumulative ones. └Jared┘┌t┐  22:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, yes, it's better to leave the per-Games medal tables untouched, since this sort of ranking system is used by the OCOG's on their website, and people do like to see a rank of medalist nations to acknowledge how their nations performed relative to others, and for other reasons. But I agree with the total medal count pages, if they're not well-sourced (meaning OR). Parutakupiu talk || contribs 22:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medal counts by games 

message: I know this may not be under our "jurisdiction" but it is a similar article and I'm having some difficulties with an editor there. While the Olympic Games are not the Pan American Games, I think we should have some similarity in the formatting of the articles, and the editor is blatantly disregarding any suggestions I make. I am asking you as an editor, not a member of this project, to make suggestions on that page that would be appropriate to make it look the most aesthetically pleasing. └Jared┘┌t┐  18:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind. I found a loophole. But your suggestions would still be nice! └Jared┘┌t┐  18:38, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've left my reply in the article's talk page ;) Parutakupiu talk || contribs 22:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[2007 Pan American Games medal count]] 

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 Winter Olympics diploma count (2nd nomination)
I figured I should give another go at deleting this article, especially seeing as how we shouldn't set the precedent for these to be here when the 2008 games roll along. └Jared┘┌t┐  13:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New AfD 

message: Hey all, 
There is going to be a big push to delete any unreferenced article ... and not necessarily through AfD, but through PROD and other means. We have a large amount of Olympic athlete articles with no references. My main goal over the next couple of weeks is going to be to get some of these referenced. The primary focus is on BLPs (biographies of living persons), but I wouldn't be surprised if that moved on. As you know, we have some editors who mass add articles and/or details to articles but don't follow process at all. I would hate to see their good work go to waste. 
BTW, my watchlist was getting a bit out of control so I decided to completely purge it. Right now, the only two things on there are this talk page and the project page. ;) --Sue Anne 16:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a project page, talk page or so for this big push? Punkmorten 18:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

text: This is the only page you should need in your watchlist, right Sue?! Haha. Anyhow, my question is the same as the above. Where is there a list of Olympian articles that need to be expanded, if there is one? └Jared┘┌t┐  18:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There really isn't a project page or anything, other than possibly BLP or BLP patrol. It's been discussed ad nauseum on the wikien-l mailing list, and that's where the biggest push is coming from to start nominating all of them with prods or for deletion. Personally, I'm going to start with the medalists and then go from there. I did two this morning ... how many to go? It seems that as long as the pages even have one reference, even if there are other unreferenced facts, that gets them off the radar. You might want to look through some of the pages and see if they are already tagged with the  tag. If they have, they would already be in this list here -- :Category:All_articles_lacking_sources. --Sue Anne 19:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced articles 

message: May someone can stop the user David Krysakowski? He has destroyed a hugh number of Olympic pages... Doma-w 13:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there anything he's done in the past couple of days that you would consider vandalism that you can point me to? It looks like he's making good edits, although I have not gone through and fact checked what he's doing. He seemed to be a little too WP:Bold at the beginning, but a few warnings got him in line. --Sue Anne 18:52, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He doesn't seem to communicate with other editors ever (even to respond to comments on his own talk page), never uses edit summaries, marks every single edit as minor, hits the "Save page" button far too often (instead of "Show preview" until done with a page), and some of his style choices are a bit questionable, but — his heart seems to be in the right place.  The best approach is to assume good faith and provide feedback and guidance on his talk page.  Even though he doesn't reply there, I have evidence that he at least reads the comments and will follow any guideline or policy suggestions you put there.  As for specific edits he's done, which pages would you say have been "destroyed"?  Andrwsc 19:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't use the term "destroyed", but just looking at one of the most recent events he's edited (Athletics at the 1912 Summer Olympics - Men's pole vault), he's definitely replaced accurate information with inaccuracies.  Here's the before-and-after his (numerous edits long) change to the page: .  I double-checked the IOC database, there were bronzes awarded (why, I have no idea, but they did).  Every page he's touched ought to be fact-checked. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 19:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *sigh*.  I hadn't seen that one.  Revert away!  Andrwsc 19:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we still need to AGF on this one. It looks like he might be using www.databaseolympics.com as a source and not realizing that they aren't the most accurate of sources. Andrwsc, do you want to point out that databaseolympics can be inaccurate and he should use the ioc page as the "gold standard" on this one? --Sue Anne 21:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I have no doubt that he believes he's doing good for the project.  (I mean, after all, I created the initial version of that page with no bronze medalists before Doma-W fixed it--I was probably using Wudarski and didn't even think to see if bronze medals were awarded to the 4th place finishers).  It's just his editing style that drives me bonkers, and the fact that he assumes whatever source he's using is The Truth without checking what's already on the page against anything else.  Which is why I recommend fact-checking his edits, rather than automatically reverting or anything.  Unfortunately, I rarely have the time to do that. (Also, my diplomacy skills are a bit lacking, as evidenced by the last user I tried to convince to play nice. So, if someone else could help guide David, that'd be great.) -- Jonel (Speak to me) 01:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: In Rowing at the Summer Olympics Argentina is twice in the medal count. Could someone check..? Thanks!  Hålslaget 22:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've checked it and Argentina has 1 gold, 1 silver and two bronze medals in rowing, so I just merged the divided medals and placed Argentina in accordance. Parutakupiu 23:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Medal count, rowing

message: I was checking out my pictograms and found out a duplicate of :Image:Olympic pictogram Hockey.png with the name :Image:Olympic pictogram Field hockey.png. I didn't realize (or didn't remember) until know that it was the former file that was linked by all the related Field hockey pages and templates, while the latter was orphaned. But here lies my doubt: the main sport and per-Games articles are name "Field hockey at...", however the template page is named  but bears the title "Field hockey". Along with this, the IOC calls it merely "Hockey".
Should we rename the per-Games template to  and replace the instances of :Image:Olympic pictogram Hockey.png with :Image:Olympic pictogram Field hockey.png, to maintain consistence with the articles? Or should we follow the IOC website and rename everything to just "Hockey" (very generic, imo)? Parutakupiu 23:54, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like calling it hockey. Maybe it's just because Americans never call it just "hockey," but it seems too ambiguous. The same goes for "Football," but I have no argument for that fight. Hockey to me and most other people would mean either street or ice hockey, with long slap-sticks and pucks, not in the field-hockey sense. So I would be all for making all pages into the "Field hockey" title. I know this goes against IOC standards, but perhaps we can break the rules a bit. The Wikipedia article, for the record, does use Field in the title, in order to disambiguate. Jared (t)  02:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Also note that the French name of the international organization governing the sport is "Fédération Internationale de Hockey sur Gazon," the "sur Gazon" meaning literally "on lawn." Jared (t)  02:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite right! I remember also that Andrwsc recently created the flag template sports variant for field hockey through , so one more reason to change to the more specific name. If anyone does not object, I'll take that task. Parutakupiu 03:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, most every en.wiki article on the sport uses "field hockey" in the article name, so there's no reason for the Olympic articles to be different (despite the IOC nomenclature).   Andrwsc 03:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  What does the IOC call ice hockey? —MC 15:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Ice Hockey" :P Parutakupiu 15:56, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  :-) Shouldn't they call field hockey by its specific name then? —MC 15:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed, they should. The IOC is far from being infallible as we in this project have come to notice. Parutakupiu 16:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, we shouldn't "pile on" to the IOC too much here!  After all, the governing bodies are the International Hockey Federation (FIH) — no "field" — and the International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF).  But I still think the best approach is consistency with the rest of en.wiki on this issue.  Andrwsc 16:28, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Just a note that I updated the names of the US and Canada ice hockey teams, so, all in :Category:National ice hockey teams and :Category:Women's national ice hockey teams are of the same format. Neier 04:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Field hockey or Hockey? 

message: Is it a good idea to add the sortable element there? The only problem should be the colspan/rowspans. --Howard the Duck 14:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I would say that the vast majority of transclusions of this template use "rowspan" on the first column for tie rankings, so we cannot just update the template without editing every transclusion first to ensure no breakage.  Not a clean task, but maybe a worthwhile one.  I've always hated the use of bold on the top number in each column, plus the need for the legal-esque disclaimer before many of those tables, and making them sortable would preclude the kind of edit-warring we've seen before.  I was just going to suggest that we make it a template parameter (defaulting to standard "wikitable"), but I see that you've just made that change!  Great minds think alike, I guess.  ;)  Andrwsc 16:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There still some few more problems. See the template talk page for more info and suggestions on how to implement this. --Howard the Duck 01:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I've fixed it.  I just make the columns a bit bigger if the class variable is set.  Now  works as expected.  Cheers!  Andrwsc 04:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Template:RankedMedalTable]] 

message: Hi all! I don't know if some of you have noticed what I've been doing on this page, but now that I've somewhat finished the major changes to it, I'd thought I should present the results of my work. It is an old article writing guideline sort-of page that was a bit lost after the project's look was refreshed, so I commited myself to update it layout- and content-wise. 
The biggest structural change I performed was converting the (heavy!) progress/coverage tables from templates into project sub-subpages (they were only transcluded once, so no need). The hardest task was cleaning up the NOC table, as you can guess — I applied flag templates, changed characters, and rearranged the NOCs by their attendance record (partially, because the tied NOCs are still not ordered alphabetically). I have a doubt with this table, though: NOCs which did not exist at a specific Games are shaded in red, but there are only some NOCs (the most historical ones) that have this shade applied. What about "minor" NOCS that also didn't exist at some time? Should I treat them equally? If so, we risk overshading the table (besides contributing to its size increase). Or should I just forget this shading option and use an hyphen for both situations (NOC did not attend, NOC did not exist)?
Thanks for any review and suggestion. Parutakupiu 18:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I've been following your edits and think you've been doing a fine job! It's sort of a start on standardizing our consensuses here, like we've been saying we were going to do for months now. Anyway, I think it's good as is. I'm not too sure about the "NOC didn't exist" thing. Perhaps a dash would do just fine anyway, but it is interesting info, so I don't know. Yeah, just forget about the minor ones. Only the big ones like Germany, USSR, etc, that actually morphed/split, etc, should be noted, if any at all. Jared (t)  00:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

text: P.S. One year to Beijing! Jared (t)  00:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow.  I better finish all this flag template work I've taken on for myself and get back to work on this WikiProject.  We still have a lot to do before the "masses" start editing these articles!  Andrwsc 04:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summer articles project section 

message: Hey, Jared! New info about the bidding procedure and regulations for the first Summer Youth Olympic Games in 2010 — see news, deadlines and documentation (pdf). Parutakupiu 21:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, thanks. I'm actually not going to be around in the upcoming week because I'm going to visit colleges and then to Hampton Beach, and I'm really busy now, so I'll get to this eventually. If someone else wants to do this, fine, but I'd love to do it either way. Jared (t)  22:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, no prob. It was just a reminder if you didn't know about it yet. Have a nice week and enjoy the coast ;) Parutakupiu 23:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 Summer YOG 

message: I recently stumbled upon this article. Some points made me wonder:
#Why is the article unsourced?
#Who were the winners (and runners-up) in the competitions?
#Why is biathlon not listed?
#Is there a reason why the winners are not listed? the full statistics can be extracted from here.
A quick check of the other "Nordic skiing at the XXXX Winter Olympics" shows that none of them has this info. Not being familiar with your project here, I thought I'd ask before doing something about it. Anyway, is there a preferred format for such things? Lupo 11:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can answer your third question: Biathlon is not a part of Nordic skiing. These two "events" are contested in separate World Championships, and at the 1968 Olympics biathlon should have, and has, a separate page. Punkmorten 11:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Nordic skiing, biathlon is part of it. Which agrees with my understanding of it. Lupo 13:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Olympic Nordic skiing is governed by the FIS, while biathlon is governed by the IBU.  A link from Nordic skiing at the 1968 Winter Olympics to Biathlon at the 1968 Winter Olympics would probably be a good idea, but in the Olympic context they are two separate sports. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 13:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The articles should be sourced to the IOC medalist database (the one to which you linked above) and to the Official Report for that edition of the Games, at minimum.  We have standardized templates for showing the medalists on pages like that one; I have no idea why they aren't on those.  They should be!  All of those pages should have a "medal summary" and "medal table" similar to that of, say, Badminton at the 2004 Summer Olympics (at least, I think that's the current format we're using...).  If you'd like to help out, that would be great! -- Jonel (Speak to me) 13:22, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nordic skiing at the 1968 Winter Olympics]] 

message: I made several minor additions to the Olympic Flame page.  All I did was clean up the history section a bit and add a bit of trivia regarding the Olympic Flame.  In addition, that same page could use some minor cleanup.  I am just suggesting that the final torchbearer be merged with the correct relay.208.107.168.154 21:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torch Relay Additions 

message: I've posted a question at Talk:Pierre de Coubertin medal, because when doing basic research for an article on Raymond Gafner (former IOC member and supposedly winner of the Coubertin medal), I ran into some factual problems with the existing article on the Medal. I'm not an Olympics expert at all, so I would appreciate if people with more knowledge and/or better sources could take a look. Fram 12:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Pierre de Coubertin medal]]

message: Somebody has speedily deleted a Brian Lewis page, who won a gold medal at the Sydney Olympics as a member of American 4x100 m relay team. Could somebody please restore it as I think it doesn't qualify for speedy deletion criteria. If it isn't possible, then I can start the article again, but first I would like to know is it desireable, because I don't want to see it again deleted. Thanks! Gh 19:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: .  The editor who tagged as speedy non-notable failed to inspect the article history to see that there were pre-vandalism versions that ought to be reverted to.  Andrwsc 19:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Speedy deletion of [[Brian Lewis]]

message: Valerio LG has decided to add a new template to the basteball pages, and really thin that they are not necessary.  Plus none of the other "single" sport pages (i.e. volleyball, water polo) have this type of template, and, if I'm not mistaken, we are trying to make these pages adhere to a similar format.  I have sent him a messege via his/her discussion page, so hopefully this will be resolved.  Perakhantu 17:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Baketball template

message: :Category:Artistic gymnastics at the Olympics & :Category:Rhythmic gymnastics at the Olympics & :Category:Trampoline gymnastics at the Olympics have nominated for merging into :Category:Gymnastics at the Olympics. 132.205.44.5 21:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The nomination is here.  The current system is broken, as articles are in both :Category:Gymnastics at the Olympics, and the rhythmic/artistic/trampoline subcats.  My rationale for deletion is to keep the categories consistent with the broad names, such as are used in  and other templates.  Another solution that does not involve deletion/merging would be to rewrite all of the Gymnastics at the xxxx Summer Olympics articles, and devote one article to each of the three.  In 2008, this has been done; although, a mergeto tag has already been put on one of them, so I'm not alone in my thinking that keeping them together is a good thing.  If we did the split, then I think we also have to do the same for athletes (running, jumping, pole vaulting, hammer, etc); for figure skaters (ice dancing); for fencing (epee, foil); for alpine skiers (slalom, downhill) and on and on.  Neier 22:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen the 2008 articles, but we already have strong consensus for keeping multi-discipline sports under a single top-level article.  I don't think your specific comparisons apply here, though, as those are all events.  A better comparison would be to canoeing/kayaking, where we keep the flatwater and slalom disciplines together in the top-level article (such as Canoeing at the 2004 Summer Olympics), but with separate medal summary tables.  Another example is Cycling at the 2004 Summer Olympics, where road, track, and mountain are all shown on the main page.  Of course, every event has its own page too, so that's where the per-discipline details can be covered.  Andrwsc 22:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So in response to the comment, I would tend to agree that a merge of these categories would be best. The only sport that should really be split is aquatics, and all pages, subpages, and categories currently reflect this (I think). Jared (t)  12:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gymnastics category merge nomination 

message: What is the problem with the word broadcasted?? And why it can be used only for six TV stations (including Ireland)? Do we have an expert who can repair the 2006 Winter Olympics page? Thanks in advance! Doma-w 22:44, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: broadcasted

message: The title says it all. Yes, I know the olympics are still a year away, but I was recently trying to find a nice, easy to read list of who has qualified for Team Canada so far with little luck. With the the qualification for several events already underway, many teams are starting to take shape, so perhaps its time to create the team pages. Is there some kind of rule for this? -- Scorpion0422 14:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are three that have already been created, but they are rather meagre, with only a handful of already-qualified athletes listed.  See :Category:Nations at the 2008 Summer Olympics.  I think that if there is something to say for a particular nation, then that article could be created now, but I would hold off on mass-creation of ~208 stubs.  The "right time" might be when we start to get more complete lists of athletes for each nation.  Andrwsc 17:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was considering creating one for Canada, because so far athletes have qualified in more than a dozen events, and there are sources, so a page could easily be created. I was just wondering if we should wait though. -- Scorpion0422 17:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided to go ahead and create a page for Canada (here) because there have been dozens who have qualified, and I'm only adding those that I can find sources for. -- Scorpion0422 18:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi all! I've recently (few weeks?) started to do a similar page on Portuguese competitors already qualified for Beijing 2008, but it's still on a userpage of mine, because I thought it wasn't the time to create country pages for these Games. But they'll have to be created anyway, so... Maybe, I'll move it to the mainspace soon. Parutakupiu 23:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Sounds like momentum.  I found a site which lists all the spots Japan has qualified for so far, so, I'll update it as I work through each sport.  Japan at the 2008 Summer Olympics. Neier 07:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: When do we create the individual nation pages for the 2008 Olympics?

message: Hi, How far ahead (if at all) should we go with making pages for the Youth Olympic Games?  Also, would it be alright to edit the series (perhaps the first two announced games for now) to the Olympics template?  Or would people rather see a seperate template for those games?  Also, should the Youth cities be included on the string of "Main" Olympics along the bottom?  I don't prefer that, but I do like adding the Youth Games to the template.-- Cbradshaw 05:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As a fully IOC-sanctioned event, I think these Games should be added to the general Olympics navigational template. However, we have to think better on how to incorporate them in the host cities row, because from now on there will be two Olympics per year. Perhaps a separate row below the senior Olympics host cities? Parutakupiu 22:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While I find it acceptable to have just one link referring to the main page of the Youth Olympics, I do not want to see links referring to each edition of the youth games inside the main Olympic template.  That would be better suited for a seperate template.  The modern Olympics have been around for over 100 years and has been and most likely will always be the most popular "version" of the Olympics.  When someone say "The Olympics", most people know what they are referring to, and 9 times out of 10 it isn't going be the youth olympics.  Also, a short paragraph about the Youth Olympics would suffice inside the main Olympic Games page. Perakhantu 21:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I added a row for the Youth Olympics to the current template.  Right now it is very small.  I have never made a template before, so Perakhantu, I can't currently fulfill your wishes!  I think for the time being, keep the cities off the template anyway, maybe when a city is chosen for the 2010 YOG, then we can create a separate template.  Now I have to go make actual pages for the 2010 and 2012 YO games! :) --Cbradshaw 23:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These types of changes have a knack for becoming very permanent.  I certainly hope to see a seperate youth games template in the VERY NEAR future.  Perakhantu 21:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youth Olympic Pages and Template 

message: :Category:Olympic artistic gymnasts & :Category:Olympic rhythmic gymnasts & :Category:Olympic trampoline gymnasts have nominated for deletion. 132.205.44.5 22:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gymnasts category delete nomination 

message: I've just noticed that there exists :Category:Unified Team sportspeople (plus a few subcategories), created a few years ago. Seems like a duplication of :Category:Olympic competitors for the Unified Team, so we should probably just delete the former. Chanheigeorge 09:34, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Categories for discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_October_5#Category:Unified_Team_sportspeople_and_its_subcategories. Chanheigeorge 18:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Unified Team sportspeople]] 

message: Bosnia's current flag (the blue and yellow one with the stars) was adopted a few days prior to the start of the 1998 Olympics. It should be shown instead of the old lilly flag.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.31.10.49 (talk) 17:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Andrwsc 19:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong flag for Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1998 

message: Heads up. There are some editors who are starting to use deletion processes to nominate articles either for AfD of CSD. I have had two articles that have gone through that so far, Bruce Haslingden (Australia cross country skiing - kept) and James Crall (United States bobsleigh - withdrawn). A third article, Thomas M. Jacobs (United States - nordic skiing - under review right now, but favoring toward keep). The main issue is notability even though WP:BIO has notability guidelines on athletes, even the Olympics (Crall won a bronze medal in the two-man event at the 1967 FIBT World Championships in Alpe d'Huez, France and was still CSDed before an administrator dropped the CSD.).
This issue on cruft may be the biggest threat not just to our project, but to a lot of other projects as well. Chris 00:33, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cruft battle beginning to emerge on Olympic athletes 

message: Hi! The following TFDs lack attention: Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 October 14#Template:2004 Summer Olympics medal count, Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 October 14#Template:2006 Winter Olympics medal count. Punkmorten 19:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Bill! Thanks for the info, and all your great research on the Olympics. We appreciate the sources!  I went amended the Martin Sheridan article per your information; you might want to doublecheck for accuracy.  I encourage you to get involved and add or edit articles yourself: it's as easy as pushing the "Edit Article" tab at the top of the page.  (You'll catch on in time) It would be wonderful to have such an expert contributing to these pages--we're all in this together.  Cheers! --Cbradshaw 19:46, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TFDs 

message: I have raised the idea of putting a box on the Main Page for the duration of the 2008 Summer Olympics over at the Village Pump. I would like to ask the members of this WikiProject for their opinion on this: should we do this or not, and if so, how? Please join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Olympics on the Main Page. I've put a draft version of what I had in mind at User:Aecis/Olympic sandbox. AecisBrievenbus 18:19, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympics on the Main Page 

message: I was wondering if anyone would object to me taking the "List of modern Summer Olympic Games" from the Summer Olympic Games page and the "List of Winter Olympic Games" from the Winter Olympic Games and combining them to make one big master "List of modern Olympic Games" page? It seems like that kind of page SHOULD exist. My intention would be to fully source the page and eventually take a stab at an FLC. Any opposition out there? I would build the page in a sandbox, and then get some opinions before creating the page. -- Scorpion0422 04:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of modern Olympic Games?

message: About a week ago, I proposed putting a box about the 2008 Summer Olympics on the Main Page for the duration of the Games (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Olympics on the Main Page and Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Olympics on the Main Page). After discussions at the Village Pump, I have withdrawn the suggestion. However, I have made a new proposal for our coverage of the 2008 Summer Olympics: to create a Portal about the 2008 Summer Olympics, and to put a link to that Portal on the Main Page. I would like to ask the members of this WikiProject to shed their lights on this proposal, at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Portal proposal. AecisBrievenbus 14:57, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2008 Olympics Portal