Talk:Iran newspaper cockroach cartoon controversy

message: I hope despite the lock on editing someone might edit the grammar. Parts of the article are unreadable. 
Aestiva 00:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar Edit 

message: I moved the page per title suggested by Alex Bakharev , which is more appropriate. Thanks. Atabek 16:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The title is not neutral. It was ONE cartoon, not "cartoons" and it was perceived as being anti-Azerbaijani, its POV to say that it actually was.Hajji Piruz 16:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the suggestion made by Alex Bakharev should be followed. Yes, the cartoons were anti-Azerbaijani, that's why the center of protests were Azerbaijani-populated towns. I think it's important to identify these ones, because there were also other Cartoon protests in Iran over unrelated issues. Atabek 16:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the unsourced POV about involvement of Republic of Azerbaijan or Turkey (this is even more ridiculous claim) in these protests. Atabek 16:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It was one cartoon, so why is the title plural? Also, its POV and non neutral to say that the cartoon were actually anti-Azerbaijani, as the cartoon was drawn by an Azeri.Hajji Piruz 16:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Its video and pictorial evidence. LOL. How can you dispute video and pictorial evidecne?Hajji Piruz 14:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Youtube is personal video database. I can upload any lip which I want, produced, forged, faked, etc. The same with pictures if we don't have neutral sources proving that.--Dacy69 14:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It does not matter who drew it. The nature was insulting to Azeri ethnicity, as protests revealed. There is nothing anti-Iranian here, just gotta speak the truth. Atabek 16:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dacy, thanks for addition of sources. I think there is a duplication of text in the article, so we need to resolve that. Thanks. Atabek 16:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: yes, please I tried to regroup it. Go ahead. Important to prreserve all neccessary citations.--Dacy69 16:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll also add more information later.Hajji Piruz 17:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I see no problem with current edit. Then we can add other events (which out of tthis article scope) on page Iranian Azerbaijan and mention cartoon issue very briefly there.--Dacy69 18:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: No, now that this subject has its own article, its not to be spammed anywhere else, thats the point of giving events their own articles. All other mentions have to be removed and redirected here.Hajji Piruz 18:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Not removed, but linked to this page, sort of like with Musavat being pan-Turkist claims being inserted on every Azerbaijan-related page. We should also make a more comprehensive page on linguistic rights of Azerbaijanis in Iran, where other details, including events around Bazz castle shall be mentioned.Atabek 19:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Dacy69, you changed the name of the article without discussing it either. LOL. By the way, my proposal for changing the name is this: "Iran (newspaper) Azeri cartoon controversy", that way it matches this title "Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy"Hajji Piruz 20:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not changed any names. I just edited page which was opened by third party mediator.--Dacy69 20:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was not an "Azeri cartoon", it was an anti-Azeri cartoon, that's why there were protests all over South Azerbaijan. Grandmaster 05:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: No, it does not describe the nature of the controversy, i.e. anti-Azerbaijani character of the cartoon. It was not just a controversy over an Iranian newspaper, it was controversy over anti-Azerbaijani cartoon, which the title should reflect. Grandmaster 05:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its an NPOV title which matches the title of an almost identical other article. Saying that the cartoon was anti-Azerbaijani in the title suggests that the cartoon was meant to be anti-Azerbaijani. Thats highly POV. The current title is very appropriate. The controversy was over a cockcroach cartoon published in the newspaper "Iran", the article title currently presents all of this in a neutral fashion.Hajji Piruz 05:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is a matter of fact that the cartoon was anti-Azerbaijani, that’s why Azerbaijani people protested it. The title proposed by you covers up the nature of the controversy, and thus is not acceptable. Grandmaster 05:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't see why article on Muhammad cartoons controversy, contains the subject of issue "Muhammad", while Azeri cartoon controversy, somehow omitted the word "Azeri". So included that and moved the article to properly reflect the subject matter. I don't understand why there is an attempt to misrepresent the issue by omitting the word Azeri and thus pretty much contradict the Amnesty International report. Atabek 08:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the cartoon was about Mohammad. As per the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy, the current title is not appropriate.Hajji Piruz 14:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was some abstract cartoon it would have not caused anything. It was related to Azerbaijanis and made them angry and caused unrest. So, title reflects the problem. And I agree fully with third party proposal. At least it neutral.--Dacy69 15:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The new (current) title reflects the NPOV, because: 1) the events around the publication and the following protests pertained directly to Azeris; 2) the cartoon was published in newspaper "Iran"; 3) the title is in line with the proposition made by the third party, Alex Bakharev. Atabek 17:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was me who suggested probably the most POV-ed title, but now I think maybe Iran (newspaper) cockroach cartoon controversy or Iran (newspaper) namana cartoon controversy is better. It is not obvious that the cartoon was intended to make fun on Azeris (one side denys it) but there is certainly a cockroach and namana word on the picture Alex Bakharev 04:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Alex for commenting here, this is what I've been trying to tell them the whole time, but they have simply moved the page. I'd appreciate it if you moved the article yourself so we could end this silly dispute.Hajji Piruz 04:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article title

message: Hajji Piruz/Azerbaijani, you're wasting your time pushing the POV from personal blogs, unscholarly and unencyclopedic sources and other hate-mongering nationalist inciting material here. All those will be eventually removed from here as they simply fall short of Wikipedia standards. I am working on Pan-Aryan collage meanwhile. Thanks. Atabek 23:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: UnPOV 2

message: I have put the cartoon. Can somebody translate what the child is saying. Is it a poem or what? What language it is? Is it important that the child and the roach talk using Latin letters rather than Arabic/Persian script? Alex Bakharev 08:02, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Soosk means cockroach, and the cockroach is saying "What?" in Azeri.Hajji Piruz 14:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a quick note, soosk means cockroach in Farsi, not Azeri. The "what" part is in Azeri. Atabek 17:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can somebody translate what the child is saying 

message: Sources for such controversial article should be neutral. So, any Iranian or Azeri sources should not be here. However, if we are coming to agreement to use Iranian sources, then Azeri should be also in place.--Dacy69 02:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a 1 year old political/protest event article. For Iranian government opinions, Iranian sources can be used. The Iran-Daily source simply says that Afrough suspected pan Turkists and the Iran-Focus source simply says the crowd got violent (I can bring western sources for this too, its fact, they threw stones and damaged public property, such as buildings). Pan Turk sources are used also with regards to the slogans. The rest are Western sources or pictures. I fail to see what is wrong with the sources.Hajji Piruz 14:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: The images associated with this article will all soon be (and one already is) targeted for deletion due to the fact that they do not have the appropriate fair-use rationale tables included.--Mike18xx 07:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images about to be deleted

message: Houshyar before edit warring on the article, you shall provide references to prove that Turkey or Azerbaijan Republic are involved in these protests. So far yourself and Hajji Piruz both failed to produce such. And in this light, your continued POV pushing in the article contributes to nothing but confrontation and is absolutely unencyclopedic. Atabek 07:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Check this link . The same picture as the one inserted into this article, but the caption does not say that they are foreigners or "pan-Turks". It says that they are Iranian students. Grandmaster 12:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Behmod is another your meatpuppet removed one quote while reinserted another which has no direct link with the event and should be removed from page. This quote contain no primary evidnece to cartoon event.--Dacy69 16:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV and OR about foreign involvement

message: To those inserting the word terrorism to sum up Iranians who fight for their cultural rights, first of all, read WP:WTA, per this rule this word shall go. Secondly, terrorist is a small group of people committing attacks, you can't brand thousands of people protesting humiliation on crowded streets of Tabriz as terrorists. The human civilization lost 54 million people to Nazism/Pan-Aryanism in the course of World War II, nevertheless no one calls pan-Aryan ideology as terrorist. Atabek 18:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WTA

message: I need a clear explanation for what you added that category without any discussions. by the brought sources, you may find that there was no hidden agenda and all the stuff seemed like a misunderstanding. --Pejman47 18:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why you're removing the sources citing only the category. On the same page some users included even YouTube video, which technically violates Wikipedia rules about copyright, yet you didn't touch those and tend to concentrate on legitimate references from Guardian Newspaper and Prospect Magazine. I mean, there are also personal blog references there, why not remove those? Atabek 19:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category 

message: I don't see why personal blog references are being added to this page. It's absolute violation of WP:NPOV and WP:OR. To be honest, it's rather funny and sad to see the sudden group  attraction of Pejman47, Behmod, Houshyar, and others to this article and attempts to revert the references, photos, misrepresent information in all ways possible. I guess you don't realize that apart from the attempts to misrepresent own history and create more enemies, your actions are only contributing to understanding of what kind of reality and future awaits Azeri Turks and other minorities in Iran. Thank you for confirming the points made in press by what you call "foreign interference". I think a more prudent approach would be reaching out to your own people and embracing them, instead of trying to POV challenge their ethnic identity or misrepresent their history. Atabek 19:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Before accusing us of re-writing the history. Please once again read your text books --behmod talk 20:41, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference abuse and misunderstandings

message: I suggest from now on to discuss any new changes in the article instead of inserting POV statements. Once reference approved we can go ahead. It is not easy task in the light of completely opposing view but still we need to work on it. Plus - I suggest any new editor come here first instead of appearing from nowehere and making reverts without discussion. I further suggest to use non-Iranian, non-Azeri sources.--Dacy69 20:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: reliable unbiased sources must be used be it western or eastern, e.g. I don't consider amnesty international as a unnatural source in any case related to Middle East. But you have a good point, we should not use personal websites. --Pejman47 21:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excuse my curiosity here when you say "I don't consider Amnesty international as a unnatural source in any case related to Middle East" - first of all what do you mean? Secondly, how are you qualified to judge AI, an internationally recognized body specializing on human rights world-wide and Iranian rights in particular? I mean, we have references in the article from iranfocus.com :) and you're calling AI as not an impartial source? Atabek 23:44, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: first thing you must take in to consideration is that Amnesty international is just an NGO not related to UN or anything else serious:), based in U.S. and the people who writes its reports are just like me and you, that is people who read news and then give their interpretations on it, that's all of it. It has no reporter on any country or for most parts of its report, it doesn't do any research. In past some of its errors is revealed and there is signs that in some cases it has acted like puppets of certain powers. --Pejman47 08:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Of course, AI is an NGO, exactly unrelated to UN and opposed to US government, so it makes it independent. I don't see why the opinion of AI is being removed, just because it does not fit certain POV. This form of "hiding the truth", when there are videos and photos of protests and beating by police all over the Internet from reliable sources, does nothing more than further insulting Azerbaijani people. Wikipedia is not Iranian state news agency, it's an encyclopedia which is supposed to present evidence from all reliable sources, and let the reader make own judgements. Atabek 13:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: Do we really need to bring slogans into this article? Some of them are really annoying (Even after the attempt of the Azeri to English translator to make them a little smoother). Writing these quotes is just spreading the hatred and I am going to remove this part--behmod talk 21:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did that --Pejman47 21:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job on slogans, those were useless and intimidating anyway. I suggest though adding back AI report, it's a legitimate source and does not insult any ethnicity. Atabek 23:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with recent changes, but AI should stay - it is reliable neutral source.--Dacy69 01:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Also - image was removed without discussion. I am restoring it.--Dacy69 01:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It was not removed without discussions, it is going to be deleted and you can not keep it on the article. --Pejman47 08:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Image copyrights will be discussed separately. However, turning to the issue of AI report, it shall be included, as it's NPOV. Atabek 13:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slogans 

message: The apology of the cartoonist is in Persian language. Summary of what he said and what Iranian cartoonists said about that cartoonists apologyis as follows :The Persian slang has many loan words from Azeri-Turkish, like Qarashmish (chaotic in Persian), Yer be Yer ( even ; as in "we are even" ) and so on ... The expression " Namana" ,that is used in Persian Slang, is used when a person is encountered with a surprising task and want to reject it , something like "What did you said ?!" (Plus surprise and rejection).In the cartoons the cartoonist can't use the text and there is no other way in cartoons other than using such a words. Changing the government from reformist to conservative , the potential for revolt was high and the reformists forces in the government help the revolt in the cover "insult to the Azeri ethnic"...  So that's more complex than considering it a mere ethnic conflict.--Alborz Fallah 12:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you need to translate and put everything you just said in English into the article, its very important.Hajji Piruz 18:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cartoonist's apology & was it a real ethnic conflict ?

message: The videos , , ,  are the protests against cartoons and one of them on the mother language day this year. And I am not sure what's the credibility of calling CSIS a newcon organization, or AI  (wow are they neocons too? :) an unacceptable reference, when there are references from Abbas Maleki, who obviously cannot be impartial in the matter. Now about POV pushing and laying blame on Republic of Azerbaijan or Turkey. Here are few points which should make clear that's not reasonable:
* 1. Republic of Azerbaijan itself deals with separatist issue on its territory. There is no reason on either official or unofficial level for the country to support separatist tendencies in Iran, provided that both countries recognized each other's territorial integrity.
* 2. Government of Azerbaijan both officially and unofficially had good relations with official Tehran, and rejected officially all proposals made by Washington about placing bases in Azerbaijan. In fact, Azerbaijan has also deported some people associated with separatism in Iran.
* 3. Turkey is the last country to support separatist tendencies in Iran, due to the problem of Kurdish separatism, which affects actually both countries. In fact, official Turkey shut down Azerbaijani separatist TV stations broadcasting to Iran.
* 4. Pan-Turkism ideology does not exist in the form of any organization recognized as terrorist, while official Tehran is known and documented to support at least one Lebanese-based organization recognized internationally as terrorist.
* 5. Hundreds of thousands of protesters on streets of Tabriz, Qoshachay, Orumiyyeh or other towns inhabitted by ethnic Azeris do not simply follow handful of terrorists. Such claim sounds absurd. Rights of minorities in Iran is generally recognized issue on the list of human rights issues of Iran. There is nothing wrong in exposing the truth about those, as they help for Iranian society to deal with the problem rather than making it exposed to foreign detractors. Hiding the problem results in foreign support. That was exactly the problem with Turkey in Kurdish issue. Masking and hiding discontent and human rights issues does not solve the problem.
Thanks. Atabek 23:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, good POV and OR, very intersting, but really, it cant have an affect here unless we all want to break Wikipedia's policies. Oh, and by the way, the CSIS info I posted is from Wiki's article on the organization.Hajji Piruz 00:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That looks like a great source, is there an english version?Hajji Piruz 16:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you need an English version if it is a comprehensible source for you to even claim that it's great :). Anyways, the report provider above forgot to sign in again as another IP anon sockpuppet of User:Tajik ,  and .  It seems like Wikipedia enforcement on this front is not strong enough to protect from violators and/or cite their supporters. Atabek 16:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Logic behind relaying blame or POV pushing

message: The page should be moved to "Iran (newspaper) cockroach cartoon controversy", Alex Bakharev also supports it:
It was me who suggested probably the most POV-ed title, but now I think maybe Iran (newspaper) cockroach cartoon controversy or Iran (newspaper) namana cartoon controversy is better. It is not obvious that the cartoon was intended to make fun on Azeris (one side denys it) but there is certainly a cockroach and namana word on the picture Alex Bakharev 04:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. The cartoon insulted Azerbaijani people, therefore the name should reflect the fact. Grandmaster 06:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is absolutely no evidence that says the cartoon was meant to insult anyone. The cockroach also spoke Persian, why werent Persians offended? Its all about perception. The title should reflect only what is known.Hajji Piruz 12:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:   The "Azeri" in the title has POV implications about the nature of the cartoon. We can't label the cartoon, that's POV. I've moved the page to a NPOV title "The Iran newspaper cockroach cartoon controversy" based on AlexBakharev's suggestion. AlexanderPar 00:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The cartoon was insulting for Azerbaijani people, that's why hundreds of thousands took the streets. The title should reflect the fact. Do not move the page without consensus. Grandmaster 06:28, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The move is the result of POV-pushing, there was no consensus on the page name, despite the claim above. Alex Bakharev has actually indicated  that he is not an expert on the matter to decide the name of the page. Atabek 18:54, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move

message: Amnesty International is not a WP:RS, all their reports are based on opposition and separatist groups' "he said, she said", without double-checking the facts. Do not add it back. AlexanderPar 23:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please restore AI quote in the original form. No need to add the words like "claims", etc. We need to present all the views accurately, and in this case Iranian government is much less reliable source than AI, as Iranian government is one of the worst human rights offenders in the entire world. See this too:  Grandmaster 06:43, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Amnesty International, HRV, etc are not reliable sources, they're activist organizations  that take the word of dissident and separatist groups who have an agenda at face value, without double-checking the facts on the ground, and they have been proven to be wrong on multiple occasions. When the source is not reliable, a clear attribution like "X claims Y" is needed. Regardless, this article is not about human rights, we don't have human rights reports on Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy about the cultural rights of Muslims, their sensitivities, and what not. Please take your soapboxing to Human rights in Islamic Republic of Iran. AlexanderPar 10:00, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Stop suppressing the info. Both organizations are reliable sources as Francis explained to Piruz. This article is not a soapbox for official Iranian propaganda, which blames the popular protest on "pan-Turks", etc. HRW makes it quite clear that it is a common practice in Iran to accuse people who speak up for the rights of Azeri people as "Turkish spies". Whether you agree with these reports or not, their existence is a fact that cannot be suppressed. Grandmaster 12:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you not see the pictures and video of the pan Turk Grey Wolves at the protests? Is it not funny how the pan Turk websites were among the first to upload pictures on their websites, showing off? Do you need me to give you the links again? HRW is wrong, there are university Azeri courses and summer school Azeri courses.Hajji Piruz 16:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  We are not entitled to include our personal interpretations of pictures, that would be an original research. We can only quote authoritative sources. Grandmaster 05:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amnesty International 

message: :* The fact is that it was "Iran - e - Jomee" (Friday Iran). That was some kind of a "Sunday (only) newspaper " that was published in the weekends (Friday) and had limited copies : about one tenth of the Iran newspaper itself (about 20000 copies at all).One of the controversies was the fact that almost none of the protesters had ever seen the cartoon itself and they reacted only after the national Iranian TV broadcasted against the newspaper and the court closed all of the "Iran" publication company including "Iran newspaper" and "Iran sepid" (newspaper for visually-impaired Iranians written in Braille code ) and etc ...The bulk of protests took place after Iranian government meddling and in some places the government itself organized basiji militia for protesting against the newspaper , maybe for making a pro-Azeri gesture or maybe because of fear of influential Iranian Azeri's or maybe other unknown reasons...--Alborz Fallah 06:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  That was not "Iran Newspaper" ! 

message: I don't understand why Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International reports are being purged out or diminished in the article, when those are the most legitimate human rights organizations on the issue of abuse of ethnic and cultural rights in Iran. Same with CSIS, which is just labeled as "neo-con", while we have Iranian sources unrestrictively cited and impressed upon the reader. It seems like source from the country with abysmal human rights record is somehow more credible than from HRW or AI. Atabek 16:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Labeling countries as "abysmal" is out of Wikipedia's policy.--Alborz Fallah 18:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the country, but its human rights record which is abysmal. This is an international designation used by various international organizations ranging from Council of Europe to PACE to United Nations, etc. Atabek 18:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway ; using the word is provocative and counterproductive .I think changing it would be rational.--Alborz Fallah 19:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

text: This is a talk page, so it's OK to cite the words used by international organizations. We are not putting them on the main page at least not without discussion. Thanks. Atabek 20:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HRW and AI

message: You are arguing that Asia Timew quote which I intorduced has some inappropriate word. I rephrased it ussing word nationalist which is already used in the text. If we remove this once then we should remove another quote whoch uses word nationalists from Baku--Dacy69 13:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  for houshyar 

message: Maybe this is worth incorporating into the article if someone can find enough proper source material, as this site does not exactly count as NPOV: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/26503 Orpheus42 05:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cockroach controversy part 2 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Iran Azeri Cartoon.jpg

message: New  tags placed on the article (),
is requesting a source for using the Azeri word "Namana" in Persian slang.Indeed there is no published Persian slang dictionary available , but about the using of slang language in the Cartoon , there can be evidences shown .As an example, The title of the article is "What to do for the cockroaches don't make us cockroaches" (چه کنیم که سوسک ها سوسکمان نکنند) , that the Persian slang of making someone cockroach (کسی را سوسک کردن) is an slang , and also the other works of the cartoonist shows same using of the slang language . But anyway , that's rather impossible to find a reliable source for Persian slang currently . --Alborz Fallah (talk) 13:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOT#OR -- Meisam.fa (talk) 08:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes, I know that.But Wiki's article is not the first time that the usage of that Azeri word is mentioned in Persian slang. There are other examples about for proving that like : However, namana is also a slang word used in Persian in "An Explanation for the Structure behind Actions and Reactions in Ethnic Conflicts" (page 4, ) 
or
"roach is looking at him saying "namana!" which in Azari means “what”. The problem with the accusations is that in the past ten years, some words have become street slang (or just slang) in all parts of Iran. Namana is one of them. Regardless of city of residence or ethnic background, the young generation has been using this word." 
or 
"In the one in question the cockroach answers back "what?" but in Azeri (namana?) because this is the cool way of speaking slang in tehran among young people. That's it!" 
or 
"The cockroach spoke both Persian and Persian slang.  Namana, although originally an Azeri word has entered Tehrani slang and is used by the average Tehrani without them knowing the origin of the word. "
Anyway, I know every source about using that word in Persian slang can be challenged by doubting the reliability of the sources , but I did do my best to show there is no dictionary of Persian language slang available to prove that word is a Persian slang one ( because of the nature of slang , and because of the Iranian lack of update researches).   --Alborz Fallah (talk) 11:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: * To add the cartoonist's own explanation , the says himself in his blog that he were using the ordinary people language : "مهرداد قاسمفر من را خواست و گفت چند نفر از پدر و مادر های آذری تماس گرفته اند و گله کرده اند که چرا بخش کودک، زبان ترکی را تحقیر و کلام آن را از زبان سوسک ادا کرده؟ بسیار تعجب کردم چون اصلاً چنین چیزی در ذهن ام نبود، سوسک های صفحه ی اول موجودات فانتزی بودند که روی دوپا راه می رفتند، لباس سربازی می پوشیدند، مثل آدم ها حرف هم می زدند و احتمالاً از اصطلاحات محاوره استفاده هم می کردند، از منظر توهین به ماجرا نگاه نکرده بودم."
--Alborz Fallah (talk) 11:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

text: *As an Iranian Azeri myself , I want to mention an important point: The word "Namna" is a word that  is ambiguous in literally Azeri : it is not in use neither in Turkish of Turkey nor in Azerbaijan republic . Here in Turkish Wikipedia about the article it says as follows: "Nemene" İran'daki Azerilerin ana dili olan Azerbaycan Türkçesinde "ne?" demektir ve Farsça'da kullanılmaz."Namana" in mother-tongue of Iranian Azeri's Turkish means "what?" and Persians abuse it That means the "Namana" is not in use in Turkish of Turkey .literally , that is "na" + "mana" that means "What to me" , and that shows the word in Azeri itself is not a formal word (or at least a standard one), and if we want to use it correctly in Azeri , we have to say " Namana dedein?" (what did you said to me ?) In brief , if we can't accept that word is also a Persian slang due to lack of a Persian slang dictionary , then we can't say it is an Azeri word with that same logic at all! --Alborz Fallah (talk) 11:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
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message: There's a serious problem with the foreign interference section - it says nothing about the cartoons at hand. this is a severe violation of WP:SYN. can anyone give a concrete example of protests originating not because of the cartoons but rather because instigation? this entire section has no place in the article. MiS-Saath (talk) 08:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign interference section 

message: Maybe I just need a little sleep, but I'm finding it very difficult to work out what this article is trying to say. I think it really needs going over. Woscafrench (talk) 03:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
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message: The article begins mentioning "the cartoonist Mana Neyestani, an ethnic Iranian Azeri." It seems to me this is contradicted in the main article about Mana Neyestani and doesn't make sense in the context of this article. Am I missing something? Myron (talk) 05:52, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
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