Talk:Kwantlen Polytechnic University/Archive 1

message: Thank you for contributing to this article.
While some of your additions were an excellent help expanding on the topic, there were some problems with your edits. You have copied large parts of information directly from the Kwantlen website, as well as not specified licenses for images (some can be tagged as fair use, but not others).
I have done the following since your update:
- Copyedited large chunks of text and lists
- Removed welding picture (doesnt qualify as fair use)
- Tagged other pictures as fair use
- Edited directly copied text to comply with copyright issues as well as make it more fit for an encyclopedia
- Toned down hype and Crystal Balling
- Removed redundancy
- Removed some noncritical data that could not be referenced (this also sized down lists)
- Improved infobox
- Organized data by relevance
- Wikified text
- Updated some information (such as dentail and medical fees which can no longer be waived).
- Referenced a LOT of things
- Moved some links to References, removed some other links not fit for enc article
I appreciate your time taken to edit this article. Please feel free to contribute, but remember to follow Wikipedia policies and guidelines.Elvarg 01:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  To the other major editor of Kwantlen article 

message: Thanks for your input. You say your a Kwantlen student, so I'm curious to know who you are... I'm also a Kwantlen student, and a former staff member and elected official of the Kwantlen Student Association. I've also served on the Kwantlen Board of Governors and Education Council. I'm fairly new to Wikipedia and I stumbled across this page and felt it could be updated. I'm also starting work on a Kwantlen Student Association entry.
*Hi Steve! My name is Eugeny Gilburg, I'm currently a student in Kwantlen on the Computer Information Systems program. I also worked in the IET department as a technician, and in the Learning Center as a tutor. Nice to meet you. I'm sure you'd be a big help in collaboration on this article. Wikipedia is an excellent place to let things be known, but you must follow a few basic rules (keep articles neutral, accurate, verifiable, and free of advertisement or self-promotion). If you want to mention a controversial topic (Such as our recent scandal at the KSA elections), you must present ALL points of view in neutral tone. Elvarg 23:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Elvarg 

message: ALL FACTS you state on the article must be SPECIFICALLY referenced. For example, you shouldn't state some specific details on planned degrees, and then as a reference give the link to the Kwantlen Governance homepage which has no direct info backing up the facts you stated. You'll need to find and link to the exact page that specifically supports your facts. If such a page does not exist, regretfully you shouldn't post the info. One of the Wikipedia policies is that "it is not a crystall ball", that is, it does not guarantee things that are not proven to exist. Elvarg 00:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another reminder 

message: * About the KUC thing. Remember, after all, no particular person owns this article on Wikipedia (not even its writers, all published text becomes owned by the collective team of Wikipedia editors), and so really nobody has the right to have the final say on what an article will include. Since KUC isn't used very commonly I'll let this slide, but in general all facts need to be stated, even not very pleasant ones. Elvarg 00:49, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some more info 

message: Steve, we really need to do something about licensing the images. Wikipedia is VERY strict about this. The kwantlen article looks really good, and I want to propose it for a Peer Review (first tage towards Good article and eventually Featured Article status), but if we don't fix the images first, it's going to crash the attempt at best, and at worst someone will (rightfully) take down all Kwantlen pictures from Commons leaving the article with almost no pictures at all.
*How do we fix this? There are two things that can be done: 1. I can talk to kwantlen marketing and get them to post pictures to the common or english wikipedia area themselves, and they can put whatever copyright info on them and note they are ok to be used on this entry. MEGAN-KWANTLEN is a staff person from Kwantlen who edited the page and they never did anything about the pictures posted at that time. In my e-mail to Kwantlen officials about the site, I noted I added some of my own pictures and some pictures from the Kwantlen site. Never received any objections to that.  2. I have lots of other pictures and can upload them. But that leads me to my next question - How do you replace / remove the stuff that got previously posted incorrectly? It wouldn't let me do anything to the picturs I posted and won't let me delete them. If you can e-mail me or post info or a link on how to upload to the english wikipedia that would be appreciated as the help section when I looked at it awhile back seemed to only provide info on posting pictures to commons. If you can also send info on how we can request the removal of the originally posted files that would be good too. In terms of new photos, I won't be able to do it today, and probably not until end of next week, as the next few days being really busy for me (it being the holidays and all...). Finally, the Kwantlen crest isn't that sharp. I understand the fair use guidelines provided by Wikipedia for logos but we should try to get a better copy. I'll see if the marketing people can forward us one. The text and image is blurry. Kwantlen does let the logo be used elsewhere but doesn't allow modification to it. The KSA got into a lot of crap a few years ago when it printed a brochure called the "Kwantlen Survival Guide" which listed all the important numbers of Kwantlen services and used the crest on the cover. It was also a poor quality copy of the crest. 
 
If you can, please send me an archive of all Kwantlen pictures that you took (and are willing to release your copyright to them). I can then take some legally available pictures for the article. Or try putting some yourself, as long as you replace all the pictures you borrowed from the Kwantlen websites or other non-your-own work. Use only your own work, and I reccomend uploading it to the English wikipedia rather than the Commons. Elvarg 03:02, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures issue 

message: ===Pictures===
If you do not have time or knowledge to fix the pictures issue, please send me a collection of Kwantlen pictures that you took yourself and are willing to release under the GDFL free license to elvarg@gmail.com . I'll sort it all out myself -- remove unfree pictures (and get them marked for deletion from Wikipedia), choose appropraite pictures from what you sent me to upload, and put them in article.
If I don't get new images in 2-3 days, I'll have no choice but to remove the non-free pictures anyways (what will be removed is the Kwantlen Richmond, Langley, and Surrey campus pictures that are currently on the site). The logo and kwantlen eagles qualify to stay under fair use, and as you have taken the gym picture yourself and I understand you are willing to release it under the GDFL, I have already tagged it so and it will stay as well.
===Other issues===
Feel free to expand on the Kwantlen article. I have already got some advice that we have too many lists and too little text, and so some copyediting is needed (keep it encyclopedic though). Also you can expand or add many interesting topics:
* Add info on Governance, Administration
* Expand on History
* Add Homestay info
* Add Student Exchange programs info
* Expand on offered courses
* Add information on accreditation
* If you want to do a neutral and objective comparison between Kwantlen and similar institutions, you can do that too. 
And of course you can try copyediting some of the longer lists into paragraph format, or expand on them.
There are a lot of things that can be added! In fact, to gain featured status, this article should be expanded quite a lot.
The pictures remain the most pressing issue though, so please deal with it. 
- Elvarg 01:06, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures part 2 and some other stuff 

message: Feel free to expand on the Kwantlen article. I have already got some advice that we have too many lists and too little text, and so some copyediting is needed (keep it encyclopedic though). Also you can expand or add many interesting topics:
* Add info on Governance, Administration
* Expand on History
* Add Homestay info
* Add Student Exchange programs info
* Expand on offered courses
* Add information on accreditation
* If you want to do a neutral and objective comparison between Kwantlen and similar institutions, you can do that too. 
And of course you can try copyediting some of the longer lists into paragraph format, or expand on them.
There are a lot of things that can be added! In fact, to gain featured status, this article should be expanded quite a lot.
The pictures remain the most pressing issue though, so please deal with it. 
- Elvarg 01:06, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other issues

message: Do you think it's worthy of an article. It made the front page of the Vancouver Sun.... I don't know enough to make an NPOV statement on it though. It looks like the scandal was kind of big -ish.  I don't think those election procedures pizza !bribes on election day, campgaining on election days etc are quite notable but the scandal itself is. -- Tawker 04:02, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "scandal"