Talk:Plastic Paddy

message: As for whether this link: 'Oirish' pub should stay in:  I think it's relevant, and illustrates the concept, even if the pub isn't called, say, 'Plastic Paddy's' or such.  Could others weigh in on this?  I think it is relevant, but don't want to edit war. - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 02:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the States, at least, Guiness offers a turnkey "Oirish Pub" that can be purchased and installed, lock, stock and smoky faux-celtic-lettered pub sign, by anybody with the money to pay for it. I can show you at least two here in greater Milwaukee alone! --Orange Mike  |  Talk 14:50, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Oirish Pub' link 

message: Why is this in the NI WikiProject? I don't think the term is used to refer to people actually born and bred on the island of Ireland. Even if they're not from the Irish state. It should just be in the USA, Scotland, England, Canada and Australia projects. - Yorkshirian (talk) 17:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well add them - who is stopping you?--Vintagekits (talk) 18:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I just wanted to see if there was a reason why NI was on before swapping it. - Yorkshirian (talk) 18:30, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Northern Ireland project?

message: Certainly online, the worst offenders for this are the "Irish" Americans, so why does this article hardly mention them? Im pretty sure it used too...--81.96.125.232 (talk) 19:47, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're plastic, you're plastic; they come out of Oz, NZ, Canada and other places as well. --Orange Mike  |  Talk 00:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why doesnt this article mention americans? 

message: I've only ever heard the term as a joke in the UK, frequently self-deprecating.  The article atm has a certain 'ideological' tone imo.  For example: "According to Bronwen Walter, Professor of Irish Diaspora Studies at Anglia Ruskin University, "the adoption of a hyphenated identity has been much more problematic for the second generation Irish in Britain. The Irish-born have frequently denied the authenticity of their Irish identity, using the derogatory term plastic paddy, and the English regards them as "assimilated" and simply "English."  Well, I'm not sure who says it's problematic, neither am I sure what is particularly 'authentic' about Irish identity if you've never lived in Ireland, nor what is so regrettable at treating everyone the same in the place where you do happen to live.  I agree with an above comment, this hyphenated identity is an American preoccupation, it's got almost zero cultural purchase in the English-speaking end of Europe. Hakluyt bean (talk) 00:02, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It would apear that Bronwen Walter, Professor of Irish Diaspora Studies at Anglia Ruskin University says its problematic. Unfortuntely, on articles like this, everyone has an opinion - but but they are almost always difficult to reliably source. So we are left with rather academic analyses that don't always reflect the common understanding or usage of the term. Rockpocket 17:18, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  balance 

message: There's a quote from "Hickman" that is repeatedly (and slightly clumsily) paraphrased in the article. Needs fixing: perhaps by original writer.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.3.187 (talk) 18:48, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "...means of distancing themselves from established Irish communities" 

message: If "Plastic Paddy" is a proper name then we should capitalize 'Plastic' but if it's not we should not capitalize it. IMO, it's not a proper name but the name for a type of person. The article already reflects the common noun phrase (uncapitalized) usage in several places and a quick sweep would correct the rest. Jojalozzo 19:47, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Mooretwin (talk) 10:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Plastic Paddy" or "plastic Paddy"? 

message: I am an Irish citizen, born outside of the Republic to a mother from the North and a father born in the US of Irish immigrant parents.  Both have had Irish citizenship from birth, as do I, and our ancestors have been Irish for millenia.  But I've had the phrase "plastic paddy" thrown in my face repeatedly --- and almost exclusively by non-Irish citizens of the UK --- because I spent much of my life outside of Ireland and do not have a stereotypically "Oirish" accent.  Most daminingly when I have failed to accept a UK-centric version of history --- distant or recent --- where Irish matters were discussed.
"Plastic Paddy" was used as an insult, it was intended as an insult, it was recognized an an insult, and it was responded to as an insult.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.195.84 (talk) 21:14, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a perfect example proving the point about it being an English bigot's pejorative: an English-based IP-poster telling an actual Irish citizen --- recognized as such by the laws of both the Republic of Ireland and the UK --- that he is "not Irish."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.89.207 (talk) 07:35, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Of course it's a pejorative insult 

message: With all due respect and apologies, I'm going to remove the merge notice. "Plastic Paddies" is a redirect. Currently there is a brief section by that name in the Irish diaspora article, while the topic is covered more fully in this article here. As the term is pejorative, it could be seen as insulting to redirect that term to that entire article. The redirect used to redirect here, until a bot changed it. I think it can be covered briefly at the diaspora article, as it is, with the "main" link to this article, again, as it is now. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 22:51, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion 

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