Talk:Juan María Fernández y Krohn

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Why is this guy listed as a "theologian"?  He is a former priest, but that doesn't mean he is a "theologian."  He is mis-categorized as a "dissident Roman Catholic theologian."
: I fixed it. Lawrence King 09:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He was excommunicated, which excludes him from both receiving and giving sacraments. An excommunicated priest is, by definition, also defrocked. 82.176.221.176 (talk) 09:35, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: But an excommunicated priest is not laicized, which is what the mainstream media means when they say "defrocked". Let's not muddy the waters by using slang terms. Elizium23 (talk) 14:34, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed "excommunicated" from the lede, and here's why. The section that claims he is excommunicated has no WP:RS with a decree or trial, only some WP:SYNTH based on what he did vs. Canon Law. That's not good enough. Elizium23 (talk) 14:36, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Why is this guy listed as a "theologian"?  He is a former priest, but that doesn't mean he is a "theologian."  He is mis-categorized as a "dissident Roman Catholic theologian."
: I fixed it. Lawrence King 09:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: There's some debate about the blade weapon the priest used. If you view google's news archive, the reports from 1982 use bayonet. We should assume reports contemporary to the time used the correct term. Also the last editor suggested a bayonet was not a knife however wiki's own definition says: "A bayonet (from French baïonnette) is a knife..." A bayonet is a kind of knife. That's clear. And no reports from 1982 uses dagger, that I can find. It is clear bayonet is the correct term to use. Mindme (talk) 15:04, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bayonet vs knife vs dagger

message: I have tagged this article for want of citations on quite a few assertions. See Talk:Pope John Paul II#edit request -- regards would-be assasin Krohn for more discussion. Elizium23 (talk) 02:31, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations needed 

message: I could find no evidence that he has received a rescript of dismissal from the clerical state (laicization, defrocking). Abandoning the priesthood is a different thing, that doesn't make him a "former priest". So for want of evidence to the contrary, I've removed "former" from the description. Elizium23 (talk) 03:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: He was excommunicated, which excludes him from both receiving and giving sacraments. An excommunicated priest is, by definition, also defrocked. 82.176.221.176 (talk) 09:35, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: But an excommunicated priest is not laicized, which is what the mainstream media means when they say "defrocked". Let's not muddy the waters by using slang terms. Elizium23 (talk) 14:34, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed "excommunicated" from the lede, and here's why. The section that claims he is excommunicated has no WP:RS with a decree or trial, only some WP:SYNTH based on what he did vs. Canon Law. That's not good enough. Elizium23 (talk) 14:36, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laicized?