Talk:Finland in World War II

message: would i be correct in saying that when great britain declared war on finland (6 dec 1941) it was only time in history than one domcraticlly elected goverment has declared war on an other domcraticlly elected goverment — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.79.32.6 (talk) 22:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember having read an interesting explantion on how it couldn't be considered such in Martti Koskenniemi's book Kansainväliset pakotteet ja Suomi. Ulko- ja turvallisuuspolitiikan alaan kuuluvat eisotilaalliset sanktiot ja niiden täytäntöönpano, (In Finnish, transl: "International Sanctions and Finland. Sanctions Relating to Foreign and Security Policy and their Implementation in Finland"), Helsinki 1994, . Unfortunately, I don't have the book at hand, so I can't give an exact quote.--MoRsE 00:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Complementing : After a quick serach I found something like this  --MoRsE 00:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: War and Democracy

message: I REALLY wonder if the Russian version of this article  is equivalent at all - the title is "Finnish occupation of Karelia in 1941-1944" and the first three sentences (machine translated) read: "In 1941?1944 Years the Finnish army occupied east Kareliya which never belonged neither Finland, nor Sweden in structure of which there was Finland up to 1809. The first camp for the Soviet citizens of a slavic origin, including women and children, has been created on October, 24th 1941 In Petrozavodsk. The purpose of creation of the Finnish concentration camps was « ethnic cleaning »: destruction of Russian population in the Russian region occupied by the Finnish army."..
This seems very different from the contents of this page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.22.127 (talk) 22:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This section reads as an argument rather than a balanced appraisal, in particular in light of the Paris Peace Treaties, 1947 and the Russian version, quoted above. I've tagged it WP:NPOV to encourage cleanup. Vagary 18:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the Russian Wikipedia, this article is categorized as "Genocides" and "Concentration camps". What the hell..--213.186.240.112 23:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please mind your language a little. Has ruwiki been informed about this? --MoRsE 00:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Indeed the whole article is quite funny. It's Finnish occupation of Karelia, not military history of Finland during WW2. The article is only about the camps though, and starts with that the reason was to make an ethnic cleansing. It also states that medical experiences were made on the civilians, and that the Finnish Nazis were even more evil than German. Ru-Wiki quality :) But yeah, this is not about military history of Finland during WW2 so the Interwiki link should be removed. --Pudeo (Talk) 14:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Since for over 3 months nobody has provided any concrete example of NPOW problems, I'm removing the NPOW label. If you insert it again, please provide details on how the article should be improved. --Chino 03:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finland and Nazism 

message: Actually the statement about Britain declaring war on Finland being the only time which a democratic government has declared war on another democratic government is false. When America declared war on Japan It's government was a constitutional monarchy having a parliamentry government with it's lowwer house being elected by male citizens. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.11.14.162 (talk) 22:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We would need a definition of "democratic government". The U.K. had at that time an undemocratic House of Lords of the parliament after all.. Of course this argument has been presented about various wars, and there is always a but, see MoRsE's link above 82.181.150.151 20:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder why this instance of mentioning democracy requires a definition, while others do not. If somebody needs a definition of democracy, he/she can go to the appropriate Wikipedia article. But for the record, since 1918 Finland has had elected parliament, elected president, independent judiciary and separation of powers. In 1944 elections could not be held due to the war, so president was elected by a democraticly elected parliament. --Chino 05:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think anyone is denying Finland was a democracy, just questioning the assertion that democracies don't, in the main, start wars. It seems dodgy to me (a lot of wars have been started by democracies, that I can think of) but it's a statement to let democrats feel good about themselves; I've seen it somewhere else on WP, as well. Xyl 54 (talk) 17:41, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text:  Wouldn't the declaration of war by the US on the UK in 1812 the first case of such an instance?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.95.52 (talk) 01:39, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No one then or now thinks Britain was a democracy in 1812. Indeed the British press emphasized the need to destroy American republicanism & democracy was seen as a threat in 1861. Rjensen (talk) 17:25, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: War and Democracy, again

message: Worldwide, Finnish total casualties were only 70% of world avegare, and 0.02% of average civilian casualties. In Europe, 25 countries participated in the war. From those, the total casualties of 10 (Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourgh, Malta, Norway, United Kingdom) were lighter than Finnish, and 14 (Albania, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Estonia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Poland, Romania, Soviet Union, Yugoslavia) were heavier than Finnish. The civilian casualties of only 3 countries (Albania, Denmark, Iceland) were lighter than in Finland. Only in military deaths there were just 6 countries (Albania, Austria, Germany, Hungary, Soviet Union, Yugoslavia) with heavier losses.
World War II has catastrophic results worldwide, but in Finlsnd it was less catastrophic than elsewhere.--Whiskey 15:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casualties: light or heavy? 

message: Says like this:
:"During World War II the fate of Finland was different from everyone else. "
But I believe that there were many different kind of fates with different countries. Just what made the fate of Finland so unique that it has to be especially mentioned as different?
The opening also says that the territorial losses were relatively minor. While the area ceded to Russia wasn't that large compared to entire Finland, I believe Vyborg/Viipuri was the second largest Finnish city and and a major industrial city. I don't think the territorial losses were relatively minor. You cannot judge the importance of territories simply by their area. Their location, population, and economical and industrial properties also matter. 84.250.50.59 (talk) 15:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The opening of this article 

message: I've deleted the word "alone" from the statement about the Lapland War; you may not want to say Finland was fighting alongside the USSR (understandably, in the circumstances) but you can't deny they were also fighting the Germans in the North; see Petsamo-Kirkenes  Operation. Xyl 54 (talk) 17:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Alone

message: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Sofia pull it's head out of the noose too?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.127.32.13 (talk) 15:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Dublin, Madrid and Bern were pretty much occupation free as well.  Paxsimius (talk) 22:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only three unoccupied capitals? 

message: The section on Interim Peace says that Finland  "also allowed German troops stationed in Finland" to begin fighting. Huh? How did Germany have troops stationed in Finland? It sounds like they were authorized by Finland. There's a large piece of the puzzle missing here. Could somebody explain how German troops were stationed in Finland? —MiguelMunoz (talk) 22:01, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  German troops in Finland 

message: "The two major powers sent some material aid, the most important being modern fighters that arrived just as the war was ending"
What is meant by "fighters" -- airplanes? This is very unclear as the article stands now.  What type of fighter airplanes if it was airplanes? And, of course, can we get a citation in there?
Charles Gaudette (talk) 00:37, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is meant by "fighters"? 

message: Near the bottom under the heading "Winter War", it says: "Any foreign aid or support was in very short supply and promises was made up..."
This is completely unclear.  What is it supposed to mean?
Pollifax (talk) 15:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign aid promises? 

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message: See Talk:Finnish submarine Vesikko#Winter War. Should the submarine's service in both be described as one conflict or two?  Is the Winter War merely an early phase of WWII? Andy Dingley (talk) 11:49, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distinction between Winter War and WWII? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  Jerm (talk) 02:11, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Finland during World War II →  – For consistency with comparable articles, e.g. Soviet Union in World War II, Netherlands in World War II, and India in World War II, as suggested in the 2020 RM to the current title. Rublov (talk) 01:04, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

text: This is a contested technical request (permalink). Rublov (talk) 01:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 23 May 2021