Talk:Yılmaz Güney

message: == I'm Fed Up with All Nationalism on The Page == 
I'm personally very tired of all kind of nationalism on every page. It's an article, not a space for nationalists's cold war. 
I just qouted and edited Yılmaz's own wife Fatos Guney's interview and acknowledge about ethnical background information given by her. If you don't agree with it, it's still not your right to demolish other relaible sources. Talk in talk page of article. Stop vandalism and demolishing sources, referances acording to your personal, political idea.
Zazas are Kurds, Kurds are Zazas, They are different etc. Whatever. His background information is not a political issue. The information is there. Read and translate. The statement includes that words.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shiyar9 (talk • contribs) 14:57, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Please let's not argue about stuff we haven't witnessed—we know he is a skilled artist because it's in most of his work but why would you say he's a murderer—was you there? have you seen him kill the judge. NO! therefore it's more right to say: "He killed the judge in full view of many witnesses and was convicted in a court of law." But then we can argue how fair the court was. I am just warning to keep away from prejudices. Ozgur Gerilla 09:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Zazaish is not a Kurdish dialect. Yilmaz Guney says that his father is a Zaza. That's it. It is actual not important what ethnicity he belongs, but if we write it, we should be correct. Nationalism should not be in the Wikipedia. --Daraheni (talk) 05:38, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: According to WP:MOSBIO citizenship is mentioned in the opening paragraph, not ethnicity or sexuality. Yilmaz Guney was a Turkish citizen and that's why it is mentioned in the opening, it is not about ethnicity. That's why Barack Obama is called an American without mentioning his African roots in the opening, or Napoleon a French although he is ethnically Italian, or Seedorf a Dutch although he is ethnically Surinamese. If you have evidence which shows Yilmaz Guney had "Kurdish citizenship" share it and include it in the opening, but he does not. Ethnicity may be mention in the "Early life" or "Personal life" sections. If you have a hard time understanding the rules please consult a peer. Thanks Karfiol (talk) 21:52, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

text: "The Kurdish director from Turkey" is appropriate and realistic expression. Takabeg (talk) 23:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  He has been born a Turkish citizen and lived as such throughout almost all of his life/career. His citizenship has been subject to political controversy for a while but his status has also been granted in 1992, just like Nazim Hikmet. Mr. Guney has never had a "Kurdish citizenship" to note in the opening. This is a very simple concept. Karfiol (talk) 23:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As according to WP:Bio, which you errantly believe entitles you remove what you hate, states, "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.". Which in this case his being an assimilated Kurd, directly stated by Guney, is relevant. Which is supported by the reference where he states being forced NOT to use the Kurdish language in his film is also relevant. Your censorship is over. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:27, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Wikipedia:Notability what he is notable is his work, not his ethnicity. Anything related to his ethnicity, or any ethnicity related subject he touched in his work, or his quotes may be mentioned in the relevant sections, not in the opening. He is notable for being an actor, director, screen writer etc. He is not a Kurdish ethnic leader or he didn't become famous for being a Kurd; hence irrelevant/not notable as such - removed. Your ethnic promotion is over. Karfiol (talk) 01:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He is notable for being a director that states himself that his notability is an "assimilated Kurd" and that being a Kurd he was suppressed from using Kurdish in films. That is notable. You can not hide from the facts. YOUR interpretation of something is not important, supplying relevant facts to the reader IS important. Nothing justifies your censorship. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:49, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Like I previously said, those all can go into the relevant sections. Nothing is censored when those are included in the biography. Opening section however, has it's own rules. An ethnic leader, someone who is murdered for his ethnicity, an ethnic rights activist etc may be notable for ethnicity, but when you start adding everyone who had quotes or work regarding ethnicity you will need to change at least %80 of all biographies on Wikipedia. For example Steven Spielberg is (rightfully) named an "American" not Jewish American and not American of Jewish descent but only "American" - although he is Jewish and has several works and quotes on Holocoust, but that's his work; he is not notable for being a Jew, but being a director, hence those go into relevant sections. Karfiol (talk) 02:02, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "American" isn't an ethnicity, it is a nationality. "Turkish", de-facto, is an ethnicity. Nor has anyone in America been saying Jews can't call themselves Jews or speak Yiddish or Hebrew. If he was neither Turkish by ethnicity, by ideology, or, latterly, even by nationality, how can he honestly be described as being "Turkish"? "Born in Turkey" or "Turkish-born" seems better. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 19:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, "Turkish" is also a nationality, whether you like it or not. Güney directed almost all of his films in Turkey with Turkish actors and he was a Turkish citizen until two years before his death, so he is a Turkish director of Kurdish origin. I am currently looking for a guideline for the usage of the term "Nationality" in biographies and will update the infobox accordingly. Use some other website to spread your propaganda. Iyi muhabbet (talk) 00:25, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: I'm personally very tired of all kind of nationalism on every page. It's an article, not a space for nationalists's cold war. 
I just qouted and edited Yılmaz's own wife Fatos Guney's interview and acknowledge about ethnical background information given by her. If you don't agree with it, it's still not your right to demolish other relaible sources. Talk in talk page of article. Stop vandalism and demolishing sources, referances acording to your personal, political idea.
Zazas are Kurds, Kurds are Zazas, They are different etc. Whatever. His background information is not a political issue. The information is there. Read and translate. The statement includes that words.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shiyar9 (talk • contribs) 14:57, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm Fed Up with All Nationalism on The Page 

message: I'm not being rude but people, mind your own business.
Yilmaz Guney is Kurdish simple as.
Why are you arguing for this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dersimli62 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please let's not argue about stuff we haven't witnessed—we know he is a skilled artist because it's in most of his work but why would you say he's a murderer—was you there? have you seen him kill the judge. NO! therefore it's more right to say: "He killed the judge in full view of many witnesses and was convicted in a court of law." But then we can argue how fair the court was. I am just warning to keep away from prejudices. Ozgur Gerilla 09:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modification 

message: Yilmaz Guney considered himself of Kurdish origin so I deleted the Zaza origin part. A lot of Zaza's consider themself Kurd and there is no evidence claiming Zaza's have different origins then other Kurds. "My mother was Kurdish, my father a Zaza." . I think it's more appropriate this way, but if someone wants to add that his father spoke the Zaza dialect of Kurdish then feel free to do so.--Bijikurdistan 12:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Zazaish is not a Kurdish dialect. Yilmaz Guney says that his father is a Zaza. That's it. It is actual not important what ethnicity he belongs, but if we write it, we should be correct. Nationalism should not be in the Wikipedia. --Daraheni (talk) 05:38, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurdish origin 

message: Just want to put this out there, but the article seems incredibly full of personal bias.--124.177.182.195 (talk) 06:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias

message: According to reliable sources, Yılmaz Güney was a Kurdish director. As you know, Turkish government removed his citizenship. I've read a news that claimed his rights of citizenship had been returned in 1993. Anyway his ethnic Turkishness was zero. And Turkish citizenship was forgotten. But we can give information about his citizenship problem with sources. Wikiepdia must not contribute to the Turkish Ethnocentrism and Turkish legal system. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 11:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WP:MOSBIO citizenship is mentioned in the opening paragraph, not ethnicity or sexuality. Yilmaz Guney was a Turkish citizen and that's why it is mentioned in the opening, it is not about ethnicity. That's why Barack Obama is called an American without mentioning his African roots in the opening, or Napoleon a French although he is ethnically Italian, or Seedorf a Dutch although he is ethnically Surinamese. If you have evidence which shows Yilmaz Guney had "Kurdish citizenship" share it and include it in the opening, but he does not. Ethnicity may be mention in the "Early life" or "Personal life" sections. If you have a hard time understanding the rules please consult a peer. Thanks Karfiol (talk) 21:52, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

text: "The Kurdish director from Turkey" is appropriate and realistic expression. Takabeg (talk) 23:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  He has been born a Turkish citizen and lived as such throughout almost all of his life/career. His citizenship has been subject to political controversy for a while but his status has also been granted in 1992, just like Nazim Hikmet. Mr. Guney has never had a "Kurdish citizenship" to note in the opening. This is a very simple concept. Karfiol (talk) 23:55, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As according to WP:Bio, which you errantly believe entitles you remove what you hate, states, "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.". Which in this case his being an assimilated Kurd, directly stated by Guney, is relevant. Which is supported by the reference where he states being forced NOT to use the Kurdish language in his film is also relevant. Your censorship is over. --Kansas Bear (talk) 00:27, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Wikipedia:Notability what he is notable is his work, not his ethnicity. Anything related to his ethnicity, or any ethnicity related subject he touched in his work, or his quotes may be mentioned in the relevant sections, not in the opening. He is notable for being an actor, director, screen writer etc. He is not a Kurdish ethnic leader or he didn't become famous for being a Kurd; hence irrelevant/not notable as such - removed. Your ethnic promotion is over. Karfiol (talk) 01:21, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He is notable for being a director that states himself that his notability is an "assimilated Kurd" and that being a Kurd he was suppressed from using Kurdish in films. That is notable. You can not hide from the facts. YOUR interpretation of something is not important, supplying relevant facts to the reader IS important. Nothing justifies your censorship. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:49, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Like I previously said, those all can go into the relevant sections. Nothing is censored when those are included in the biography. Opening section however, has it's own rules. An ethnic leader, someone who is murdered for his ethnicity, an ethnic rights activist etc may be notable for ethnicity, but when you start adding everyone who had quotes or work regarding ethnicity you will need to change at least %80 of all biographies on Wikipedia. For example Steven Spielberg is (rightfully) named an "American" not Jewish American and not American of Jewish descent but only "American" - although he is Jewish and has several works and quotes on Holocoust, but that's his work; he is not notable for being a Jew, but being a director, hence those go into relevant sections. Karfiol (talk) 02:02, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "American" isn't an ethnicity, it is a nationality. "Turkish", de-facto, is an ethnicity. Nor has anyone in America been saying Jews can't call themselves Jews or speak Yiddish or Hebrew. If he was neither Turkish by ethnicity, by ideology, or, latterly, even by nationality, how can he honestly be described as being "Turkish"? "Born in Turkey" or "Turkish-born" seems better. Scribblescribblescribble (talk) 19:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, "Turkish" is also a nationality, whether you like it or not. Güney directed almost all of his films in Turkey with Turkish actors and he was a Turkish citizen until two years before his death, so he is a Turkish director of Kurdish origin. I am currently looking for a guideline for the usage of the term "Nationality" in biographies and will update the infobox accordingly. Use some other website to spread your propaganda. Iyi muhabbet (talk) 00:25, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkish citizenship

message: Its the opposite. He's father is from Varto not Siverek, his mother is from Siverek.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.191.154.94 (talk) 14:04, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parents 

message: zazaki is dialect of kurdish alnguage we are kurds! edit this bage !
greets  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.189.13 (talk) 11:43, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  boycott wiki ! there is no zaza ! there are only kurds! 

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message: It says in the text that Guney was in prison while certain films were made of his screenplays, and so I do not understand why they are listed at the bottom as directed by him.  
During this stretch of incarceration, his most successful screenplays were Sürü (The Herd, 1978) and Düşman (The Enemy, 1979), both directed by Zeki Ökten ... After escaping from prison in 1981 and fleeing to France, Güney won the Palme d'Or at the 1982 Cannes Film Festival for his film Yol, whose director in the field was once again Şerif Gören. It was not until 1983 that Güney resumed directing ...
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