Talk:Punjab, India/Archive 1

message: It says in the article : "The Indian government's reaction to the movement for Khalistan was to declare Punjab as a disturbed area and to grant the security forces draconian powers in the hopes of crushing the militancy and support for an independent state by force."
Yet this mentions nothing of the actions of terrorist groups which masterminded things such as the Golden Temple occupation and the violence committed by them. It seems that the blame is being shifted entirely to the Indian government which is not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.49.223.229 (talk • contribs) 
:Please feel free to add any additional information you have!  Thanks. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 15:01, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias? 

message: Does anyone have any ideas about the Science, Engineering and Technology capabilities of this Indian state?  I am uncertain as to whether or not Sikhs are what Occidental individuals term 'model minorities' or if they are high achievers (I doubt that Sikhs are as capable of achieving as highly as the Chinese do in the US and UK, but then I digress....).  
Remember, this page needs a SCIENCE, ENGINEERING AND TECHNOLOGY section.  Perhaps a listing of the journals that the Univerisites within the state are known to be singificant contributors to.  Perhaps even some famous Nobel Prize Nominees (or, better still, WINNERS) would be a good idea.  
 --Anon
Yes there is a Punjabi Nobel prize winner - Har Gobind Khorana -Nobel Prize for Medicine. --Oiws 17:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SET 

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Translation--D-Boy 13:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  translators needed at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Translation]] 

message: For those just arriving, the dispute is over the validity of a single  sentence in the culture section: 
user:Indian50 seeks to maintain it. I seek to remove it, and this matter, which I see as spectacularly obvious and trivial, has turned into a huge mess because of Indian50's antics and lack of fitness as an editor. Anyway, here is why the sentence is inappropriate:
* It is subjective, opinionated, unverifiable POV.
* Its sourcing is dubious, a lie of Indian50:
**It was originally copied from a casual government/culture website and only now retroactively "sourced".
**Indian50 reverted at least ten times (half a page of history) before adding the reference (simultaneously reading up on things and engaged in an edit war, how convenient!).
**What's even more is that this line which he now seems to be able to so accurately source was not even added by him in first place, over a year ago.
**He has already been shown to make stuff up. For the current line, "These character traits comes from Punjab's difficult history, particularly due to the number of outside invasions (Greeks, Persians, Scythians, Kushans, Turks, Mughals and Afghans) " he fought hard for (as in, reverted) the inclusion of this ending to it, "and retaliation from Punjabis in response to these", until I pointed out that that bit wasn't in the reference link.
**It still remains subjective and unverifiable POV. It's nonacademic and thus unlikely to be in that source. "Punjabis are logical", lol.
**How can the single sentence/tidbit of "Traditional historic Punjabi culture is renowned for its tolerance, progressive and logical approach to life" be spread over 5 pages, according to the reference?
The admin User:Rama's Arrow, whom I contacted for help, has placed an edit lock on this page. He told me that at this point, in order to make the removal I need a consensus of editors. Therefore if you agree with what I'm saying, write it down here. Rama's Arrow agrees with me in this, so that's one person so far.
Another development is that after this incident Indian50 indulged in retaliatory vandalism of the Gujarati grammar page, which I edit. After this he was blocked for 1 week by Rama's Arrow for "violating WP:CIV/WP:NPA, WP:EW, WP:3RR, WP:SOCK and harassing another user."
For the whole story, check Punjab (India) - History on May 7, 15, and 16, and User talk:Indian50, User talk:Rama's Arrow, User talk:Tuncrypt, and Gujarati grammar - History on May 16 and 17. Thanks. Tuncrypt 03:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe you are in the right here, but a couple of points worth considering: I'm sure you are feeling very frustrated about the situation, but WP:CONSENSUS isn't about someone being right and someone being wrong, or taking a poll of who agrees with whom. I think it would help the process if we can remove the personal element here. It is unlikely that much of the contentious material could ever be rescued from POV, but in the spirit of conciliation, it is possible that evidence of "tolerance" (for example) could be made part of the description of the culture. Then again, it is not as if in an article about another culture one would note the "renowned intolerance" of its people. I don't know anything about Punjabi culture, so I can't suggest anything myself, but there might be a small amount of common ground in the dispute. Nposs 04:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dispute

message: I'm thinking that the Culture section needs to go. It is objectionable and hollow... in pretty much its entirety. Tuncrypt 02:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Culture

message: Culture needs to go, its objectionable...
:I think its fine, just because you think doesn't make it so.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 6gkl (talk • contribs) 12:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture 

message: There was an Obvious factual error in Agriculture Section relating to % of india's rice, cotton and wheat produced in punjab. Corrected them based on the reference no.12  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arunkrish (talk • contribs) 00:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obvious factual errors in Agriculture Section 

message: Could someone with knowledge about Punjab take a stab at cleaning up Ghale bakshian? Thanks! Kingturtle (talk) 18:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ghale bakshian 

message: I request Punjabi scholars from Punjab India who learn to write Punjabi at school to kindly give the correct spelling of the word "Singh" in Punjabi, in the Singh article. Kindly please edit it for correct Punjabi spelling and provide a reliable acceptable reference at least on the discussion page.
Some foreign born editors keep misspelling it, it seems, I have corrected the Hindi spelling, kindly provide a reference for Hindi spelling too if possible.
Thank you in advance.
Atulsnischal (talk) 06:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Punjabi spelling of [[Singh]]

message: How can Punjab be 55% Sikh and 48% Hindu, with additional minorities? People are pumping up the Hindu demographic and whittling down the Sikh percentage constantly, and only offer up dead links for reference. The numbers don't add up.
And to the Bihari who deleted "Recent Immigration," the influx of UPers and Biharis is indeed a growing concern within the Punjabi Sikh community. Being a Bihari yourself, you're in no position to declare it "biased."
It is frustrating to see the extent to which Hindutva propagandists control Wikipedia.
3swordz (talk) 09:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blatant demographics errors 

message: Someone put a tag on "Sikh Rajputs" article that it will be deleted in five days etc., this article can not be deleted as Sikh Rajputs exist and most claims made in the article are true as well known to local Indians in Punjab only the need is that some interested and knowledgeable editors with access to proper history books etc. can eventually come forward and develop the article properly in time, quoting credible sources. Foreign born and raised editors with no direct local Indian knowledge are requested not to vandalize it as per their own fastly held thoughts and beliefs.
Thanks
Atulsnischal (talk) 08:13, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: HELP!!! NEEDED for Article on [[Sikh Rajputs]]

message: In dont understand why Mohenjo-daro which is in Sindh pakistan have to do anything with Punjab! I suggest that  Harappa and Ganeriwala be added instead. Because these cities of Indus valley civilization are located in the Punjab region. Also the sentance is confusing by stating that Indus valley civilization is only located in Pakistan. Major discoveries have been found in Gujarat, Haryana, and Rajasthan. (Dewan S. Ahsan 04:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Indus valley civilization

message: Should we remove the gallery?Lalit Jagannath (talk) 18:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  gallery 

message: Someone who knows the topic is requested to clean up the higher education institutes list, many non-notable names have been added. ReluctantPhilosopher (talk) 21:06, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education 

message: (Discussion moved here from my talk page -- Timberframe (talk) 16:07, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A language is not obviously or intuitively a symbol, but I'm prepared to accept that it is considered such if you can cite evidence of that. However, a language certainly isn't "Flora and fauna", which is where the table of state symbols is located, whereas this heading is appropriate to all the other symbols. If we're to include language as a state symbol then I suggest that (1) we justify doing so by reference to a reliable government source (2) we move the table to a morte appropriate section.-- Timberframe (talk) 16:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

text: yeah, all this aside, you don't need to inundate the article with useless images and bad English, Migelot. This article is an overview that leads off into several "main articles." Articles look professional when images are used as needed, not pictures of lassi and repetitive landscape pics. And languages can't be symbols, I'm not sure if you know what a symbol is. Additionally, your gimmicks, like that table, are not needed when you can simply incorporate the info into the article body. You should acclimate yourself to how articles are written in the English wiki, I've found that users like you bog articles down with minutiae and pretty pictures to the point where articles look like tourist ads, it's ridiculous.3swordz (talk) 12:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

text: I have addressed the language/symbol thing and if we even need a symbol section...read the fourth sentence onward of my previous post. And you should be doing what is best for this article, not copying everyone else's mistakes on other articles. You may have good intentions, but this article just doesn't need that redundant clutter.3swordz (talk) 10:23, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

text: The quality of the article comes way before getting it "featured," like that even matters. And again, we can make this a tidy, informative article rather than copy everyone else's mistakes. A table is redundant when one reads the small paragraph right next to it and finds the same info. Moreover, getting rid of the extraneous takes up enough time without getting to improve on it. And West Punjab's table lists the "provincial" language as Punjabi, as if that language gets any sort of backing or support in Pakistan as opposed to Urdu. Goes to show the quality of that edit (languages...aren't ...symbols), that article is not my concern, to be honest. And frankly, judging by the style of your reply, and your seeing Wikipedia as a competition to match other articles regardless of quality and to get featured, I'm not sure you are familiar with certain cultural norms as they apply to English Wiki. Whatever, just don't make useless edits and we'll be good.3swordz (talk) 22:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language as a state symbol 

message: Let's merge this with East Punjab, because it's basically the same as East Punjab anyway.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by InMooseWeTrust (talk • contribs) 02:12, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: i think east punjab article is about the region in which the current state of punjab (india), himachal pradesh, and haryana are. because before those three states used to be just one punjab. Gman124 talk 03:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose they are two different things. east punjab is punjab before india was rearranged by language barriers, its quite a bit larger.--Profitoftruth85 (talk) 17:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: user with IP address 115.252.33.219 has made a changed in this section about origin of word punjab from persian to sanskrit without giving any reason or referance . I reverted it but he again made that change.What can be done?--Migelot Talk to me! 17:41, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of Punjab 

message: I have inserted the definite article before Punjab in the intro, because thats the way it is in English language. I have added the reference of an official Canadian website which calls Punjab as "the Punjab".Cygnus_hansa (talk) 09:51, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definite article 

message: How about mentioning the fact that India's second official language was Persian for over 500 years. There are many words in the Hindu and Punjabi language that are burrowed from Persian. Even there country names are of Persian origin.
24.80.113.143 (talk)ditc  —Preceding undated comment added 00:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  language 

message: There is no information on major social problems like female foeticide, drugs, illegal emigration to western countries, honour killings. Punjab/Haryana regions are the worst hit and well known for these problems. --David Fraudly (talk) 07:39, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: can you share any sources or resources for this information so it can be added to the article??MilkStraw532 (talk) 19:56, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete 

message: This says that Dhian Singh was a top general - was he not the deodhi-wala (gatekeeper to the Maharajah's court) during Maharajah Ranjit Singh's reign? In Maharajah Ranjit Singh's lifetime, Golab Singh was to be found in Jammu. It was only after Maharajah Ranjit Singh's death, did Golab Singh become the chief minister (who then went on to betray the Punjabis and make them easy prey for British guns in the first Anglo-Sikh war).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Help please help (talk • contribs) 04:46, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Give references if you are sure. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS☣  06:11, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing? 

message: I AGREE with David Fraudly! I think the drug problems are becoming increasingly devastating and characteristic of this place, and I think it's irresponsible and deceitful to leave them out of the discussion/wikipage. I added a section this morning, but perhaps it didn't belong as an entirely independent section. The page for Washington, DC, for example, includes information about crime in its demographics section, so maybe it should be there, but I think this should definitely be a matter of discussion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dakuhippo (talk • contribs) 07:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The information about drugs, female foeticide and other major problem should be present on wikipedia. But I have a view that it should be as a separate article. I am unable to find proper WP policy or guidelines regarding this. But somehow intuitively it felt that it should not be added in this article. Contents of this articles in some sense are more of permanent nature. The problems are rather recent stuff. Also I checked lots of other similar articles on different states of india and then reverted your edit. --Vigyani (talk) 07:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: (I have moved this new section to the end of the page).  asked me on my talk page to take a look at this. Having reviewed the Drugs section, I can see nothing wrong with it - the thing has citations to multiple reliable sources and is relevant to the subject of the article. While it is true that there can be issues regarding recentism, it seems that this is not some overnight sensation/one-day news story. Indeed, it appears that no-one is disputing that the content should appear somewhere but rather whether or not it should appear here. There is nothing wrong with creating a separate Drugs addiction in Punjab article and summarising that in this article but, right now, the section is not undue in weight and I can't actually see any benefit in forking it. That time may come, of course. - Sitush (talk) 17:18, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Drugs

message: Some of the language used in this article seems to be biased. Phrases such as "It affords the best quality of life to its residents", "has the best infrastructure" seem to me to be overreaching opinions. In addition, the original citation listed the government of Punjab itself as a 'source', but the government would clearly have quite an interest in portraying itself in a positive light and downplaying negatives, as it might help attract new residents and corporations.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FarnhamJ (talk • contribs) 11:05, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Neutrality 

message: I found the pin codes and Post Office list of Punjab in a website pricingindia.in/pincodes/punjab. Do you want to add this in article external links to help readers to know about locality of Punjab with 3836 post office with pin code and their address with Google map  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vickyrathee2005 (talk • contribs) 11:55, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pin codes & Post Office list for Punjab 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: How can there be absolutely no mention whatsoever of one of the most important political events in Punjab's history; that is, Operation Blue Star and the Khalistan movement? Hiding reality doesn't erase it. 138.229.215.167 (talk) 23:51, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitewashing History? 

message: I reverted this edit. For starters, changing the infobox and leaving the article body as it was created an inconsistency. Furthermore, I am not convinced that the cited source says what is claimed. If you read the entire page, the 27.7 million figure is given and the estimated higher figure doesn't appear to come from the Department of Censuses.
There is a weird issue, however, regarding 2011 ranking which I have raised at Talk:List_of_states_and_union_territories_of_India_by_population#Punjab_-_15th_or_16th? because our infobox links to that article. To repeat it here, according to p 20 of this census handbook, Punjab was 15th. Our article says 16th. Is this handbook wrong? - Sitush (talk) 03:14, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: The final line of the introduction has incorrect grammar. 
"Punjab has a bustling tourism, music, culinary, and film industries."
This should be changed to this:
"Punjab has bustling tourism, music, culinary, and film industries."
The word "industries" is plural so using the indefinite article "a" is incorrect. 80.6.233.101 (talk) 01:10, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: 54nd60x (talk) 11:20, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2021 

message: A new district has been added in punjab so total number of districts are 23 now Vikasid (talk) 15:48, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ― Qwerfjkl  (please use  on reply) 16:07, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2021 

message: Updated the GSDP FIGURES in the infobox and in the lead section. GSDP 5.41 LAKH CRORE AND per capita 155,157 (2020-21). Also update the source. Thanks--202.78.236.168 (talk) 05:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is it taking so time to make such small changes in the GDP figures. Already source have been provided. Thanks--103.102.116.116 (talk) 05:34, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the figures using your source. Please check if anything needs changing. As for your question, I do not know the answer. Open requests enter a centralised queue, and they normally get actioned within hours. It's bizarre that yours remained unanswered for three weeks. If this happens again, you can just file a new request, and if that gets ignored, bring it up at WT:INDIA. – Uanfala (talk) 20:49, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  You forgot to update the GDP figures in the lead section of the third para. Per capita needs updated. Thanks--103.102.116.116 (talk) 05:12, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooops. That should fix it . – Uanfala (talk) 13:25, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2021 

message: Punjab State Of India has now 23 Districts in Total with the carving out of Malerkotla as a New District from Sangrur District Gpsingh37c (talk) 10:30, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2021 

message: 2401:4900:4205:599F:D203:ABAC:AD88:6F3F (talk) 13:24, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:37, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  23rd District Malerkotla  

message: 112.196.105.202 (talk) 11:26, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2021 

message: Malerkotla is established as a new district of punjab which makes it 23rd. Vikram Jeet Johal (talk) 07:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New District 

message: Districts are 23 now 106.196.105.183 (talk) 11:48, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request in 29 August 2021 

message: change 9 °C (48 °F) in July to 31 °C (87 °F) in July 203.115.84.13 (talk) 09:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:35, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2021 

message: change Punjab to Panjab 2A00:23C7:7F05:4700:808C:C830:136A:4DE4 (talk) 09:16, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2021 

message: hi the demographic information is very old on this page. 2605:8D80:32C:9E72:59D:CDA:9D36:83C5 (talk) 07:41, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Ferien (talk) 08:31, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2022 

message: It's not Punjab dear it's PANJAB. 2409:4053:2E16:EEC:517F:5378:D769:1605 (talk) 16:59, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: 'PUNJAB seems to be the WP:COMMONNAME. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the name of state. 

message: There is no additional official language in Punjab, the Government of Punjab never declared any additional official language and the Punjab Official Languages ​​Act 1967 also did not declare English and Hindi as additional official languages ​​of the State of Punjab. Shubhdeep Sandhu (talk) 08:25, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional official languages of Punjab 

message: :Template: Infobox Indian state or territory has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the  discussion page. Thank you. Tojoroy20 (talk) 21:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Template:Infobox Indian state or territory]] has an [[WP:RFC|RFC]] 

message: The  used on this page is going to be replaced with  as per the Proposal and Consensus of RFC. Any questions/suggestions? Discuss Here.
You can also contribute by replacing Infobox settlement with Infobox Indian state or territory on other pages , or by improving this one. Tojoroy20 (talk) 18:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: –  Tojoroy20 (talk) 21:32, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox replacement