Talk:Cat/Archive 3

message: Someone has put the word penis repeatedly in the main body of this article. I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar enough with wiki editing to remove it. Can someone please do that? Thanks.
:Has been fixed, will keep an eye on it down the road. --Pkarjala 00:14, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  malicious editing 

message: I do not see any source in any Hadith about the Prophet Muhammad and the cat.  Also, Hurraira does not mean cat as stated in the article.  It means reddish, or something red.  So Abu Hurraira does not mean father of the cat.  I don't want to remove it myself but if someone can find a source for anything in that paragraph.  It is well documented that Muhammad advocated kind treatment towards animals, but that specific story seems untrue.Fkh82 02:00, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cats in Islam 

message: I don't know about the rest of you, but I think cats have really bad breath. Of couse, it's not that bad compared to dogs' breath. Scorpionman 22:49, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Breath odor of cats and also dogs has more to do with dental health than anything else. In most cases adult cats have significant tartar accumulation; owners can attempt to remedy this with special dental treats, by brushing their teeth (veterinarians sell feline toothbrushes and toothpaste) or by having a dental cleaning performed. --Bk0 (Talk) 05:14, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Of course that is one of the factors, but I've also heard that air coming up from the intestinal tract will affect the breath odor. For instance, someone who's been eating junk food will have bad breath, while someone who eats good food will have relatively good breath. I think that cats' (and dogs') bad breath is due to their diet of mice, birds, fish and small other small animals. If we ate like that, we'd probably have bad breath too. Scorpionman 02:29, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Another cause of kitty bad breath is kidney failure; I know, because my 19-year old pal has that condition. (Technically, it's called ketoacidosis.) It's basically a buildup of toxins and other bad stuff; apparently when it gets really bad, the cat's breath can smell like ammonia. So it's a good idea to pay attention to any changes in your furry friend's breath odor. --ILike2BeAnonymous 10:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cat breath 

message: With the references at the end, there are 27 references, but in the text there are only 25. The problem occurs around number 16. I'm having a look into it. Thelb4 07:54, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see: there were two in the references (numbers 16 and 17) that didn't link to anywhere in the article. I've taken them away, so it should work now. Thelb4 07:58, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes - a problem 

message: I removed the following note, left by User:144.133.211.127 at , from Cat#Environmental effects:
It should be noted that this article has no proof or reference to published papers to support its allegations. There is no inclusion of an opposing view.
Presumably this means that the section about cats and the environment has no sources given, since the article as a whole has plenty. Anyway, notes like this belong on the talk page. FreplySpang (talk) 16:09, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. Of course, it would be great if someone did come up with a source for the material on environmental effects. And opposing viewpoints are welcome if presented constructively. FreplySpang (talk) 16:13, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

text: There's a misunderstanding here. You put in a sentence that says "this article has no proof or reference..." without specifying that you meant the part about predation. The article has lots of references to subjects other than predation. FreplySpang (talk) 17:23, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Ah. Usually we use "article" to mean the entire Wikipedia page Cat, and "section" to mean a smaller part like Cat#Environmental effects. I stepped in to handle the procedural issue - discussion about an article goes on the talk page, not in the article. I personally don't know much about the predation issue. Since it appears to be the subject of debate, I'll move the paragraph here to the talk page and let people discuss it here. FreplySpang (talk) 16:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed note about lack of sources 

message: show a pic of your cat and there name heres my cat
:This is probably best done on a non-wikipedia site, such as kittenbreak or ratemykitten.  --Pkarjala 00:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  your cat page 

message: For the sake of consensus I am happy to have the existing version as first case and the version last edited by Haakon as the other case. --WikiCats 12:31, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Consensus

message: I archived the page again, keeping the last five sections. The page was very long - 68 KB! When I copied into Microsoft Word for archiving, it was 24 pages long! Thelb4 17:30, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: archiving

message: These silly spiritual traditions drive me crazy. Where does anybody get that ridiculous idea that black cats are "unlucky"? Scorpionman 02:35, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also walked past numerous cats in my lifetime (I live with two of them) and so far nothing abonormally bad has happened to me. You just need something on which to blame your problems, that's all. I can see a rational reason as to why a cat could cause bad luck (especially if you're a mouse). For instance, if you're on a ladder, and a black cat (or any color cat) walks under it and brushes against the side, it could cause the ladder to fall. But other than that, there's not many reasons why a cat would cause someone bad luck. What seems to be your problem, anyway? Scorpionman 17:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Silly or not, its a prevelant superstition -- there's some good background information on it here . .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 17:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spiritual garbage 

message: I think there should be a mention of a cat's retractable claws in the Physical Characteristics section as this is a pretty salient characteristic of the cat.
:What do you think? Hoof Hearted 19:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retractable Claws 

message: More for amusement than seriousness:
Kitten wars ("may the cutest kitten win") [].
Jackiespeel 18:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible link

message: Itsumou added the 'nya' sound as that is how the Japanese render the vocalization of cats. As folks who venerate Kami Neko as one of their main deities, they are the folks to know. ;) Chris 19:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see, I figured it was some kind of joke (I'm very paranoid, and I see cat haters everywhere ;-). Still, this is the english Wikipedia, and the Japanese rendition holds no relevancy here. Haakon 09:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

text: You obviously have never been around cats in a fight, cats in heat, male cats calling girls and kittens who've lost their mom. And that's just cat communication I can name off of the top of my head. They meow during all of those things and it has nothing to do with humans. This has already been discussed and is in the archives.Pschemp 16:41, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cat vocalization

message: With cats who are improperly socialised and do not know their own strength, this can result in inadvertent damage to human skin 
I'm not convinced that any cat has knowledge of its strength. I also suspect that the resultant damage is not inadvertent... 59.95.3.86 18:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe what the author was going for was kittens learn how hard to bite through play with its litter mates.  A kitten weaned too soon doesn't know how hard is too hard.  De-clawing can also lead to biting issues since its defensive options have been reduced.  You're right that the damage probably isn't accidental, but it's most likely protective rather than aggressive.  Luckily, all of my cats are non-biters.Hoof Hearted 19:26, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

text: If you don't think a cat knows its strength, then you don't know any cats.  Most of the cats I have ever come into contact with are very much aware of the fact that they can cut your skin, and they avoid it unless they are angry or perturbed.  I guess they learn this early, in play.  A cat can easily cut your skin, but no matter how rough they play this rarely happens.  In my experience cats only break your skin if they are trying to.  oneismany 23:04, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True that; my cat bites and claws me when playing, and has never (well, almost never) broken my skin. And this is a cat who once regularly chomped down rats and birds, so obviously he's physically quite capable of causing great harm. ILike2BeAnonymous 23:46, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anthropomorphism

message: Footnote number three in the text is about Cypress, yet footnote number three in the references at the bottom of the page is about "spaying and neutering". The correct footnote is the first one on the list at the bottom of the page. I think it has to do with the "#" before each footnote. These are assigned from top to bottom independent of where the footnote appears in the text. Can someone explain how the footnote should be marked and how they should work? Is the "#" redundant? In Wikipedia:footnotes there are several rival systems mentioned. There is also no footnote one and two in the text.
--Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 06:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnotes 

message: How about a link to the :Category:Cat health?  I've been updating dog diseases and adding in cat info when I can, and then inserting a link to the cat health category.  I understand not wanting to clutter up this great article with a whole section on cat diseases, but a link to that category would probably be appropriate.  --Joelmills 04:28, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cat health category 

message: I think a cats wikiproject should be initiated.
There is much work to be done with all the breeds and there is a serious lack of pictures. --UVnet 13:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is already one at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cat breeds Pschemp | Talk 22:55, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This needs some kind of link. --UVnet 08:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cat Project 

message: ===most developed?===
I've taken out two mentions of the cat's being the mostly "advanced" or "developed" of the mammals when it comes to their senses - there is no reference given, and a quick websearch (though really I didn't put in much time) turned up nothing. anyone have a lead?
===testing===
Presumably cat sense researchers don't actually ask cats to name letters shown in a Snellen chart. Anyone know what's actually done? (If the methodology has a wp page, a link to it could replace the Snellen link)
===field of view===
It says here cats have 20º on us, but http://www.ski.org/Vision/Eyepage/cat.html says it's 70.º
===sweetness===
National Geographic is given as the source of the info that cats don't percieve sweetness... but the article isn't in the References section, and all we have is a month and day. Can anyone complete the ref? Eitch 00:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, we need more data on the faulty receptor gene in a cat.  I can't explain this but my cat (rest her soul), was really big on sweets.  She could tell when something sweet was nearby and would trample onto my lap (which for a large cat, quite amazing).  All of us humans would have to move our desserts way up in the air to keep her from ploughing her cute little nose into our desserts.  
If there is/was a study documenting the fact cats can not sense sweets, then I support the suggestion of posting the link too.  ,,,,Ariele 02:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My cats will go after pastries and ice cream -- that is to say butter, milk, and whatever it is that makes bread a hit with them. Sugar itself doesn't do it for them. Eitch 20:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  issues in the senses section 

message: National Geographic is given as the source of the info that cats don't percieve sweetness... but the article isn't in the References section, and all we have is a month and day. Can anyone complete the ref? Eitch 00:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, we need more data on the faulty receptor gene in a cat.  I can't explain this but my cat (rest her soul), was really big on sweets.  She could tell when something sweet was nearby and would trample onto my lap (which for a large cat, quite amazing).  All of us humans would have to move our desserts way up in the air to keep her from ploughing her cute little nose into our desserts.  
If there is/was a study documenting the fact cats can not sense sweets, then I support the suggestion of posting the link too.  ,,,,Ariele 02:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My cats will go after pastries and ice cream -- that is to say butter, milk, and whatever it is that makes bread a hit with them. Sugar itself doesn't do it for them. Eitch 20:03, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: sweetness

message: Feral cat programs
The following passage neglects to address the controversies surrounding feral cat programs:
:"However, there are thousands of volunteers and organizations that trap these unadoptable feral felines, spay or neuter them, immunize the cats against rabies and feline leukemia, and treat them with long-lasting flea products. Before release back into their feral colonies, the attending veterinarian nips the tip off one ear to mark the feral as spayed/neutered and inoculated, as these cats will more than likely find themselves trapped again. Volunteers continue to feed and give care to these cats throughout their lives, and not only is their lifespan greatly increased, but behavior and nuisance problems, due to competition for food, are also greatly reduced. In time, if an entire colony is successfully spayed and neutered, no additional kittens are born and the feral colony disappears. Many hope to see an end to urban feral cat colonies through these efforts."
Several of the links I listed above in the environmental effects discussion also discuss feral cat programs.  At least in the United States, well intentioned programs may be in violation of several federal laws.  Some environmentalists oppose feral cat programs because of possible risks to local endangered species.  The American Veterinary Association notes that this is a mainstream controversy and expresses humane concern for abandoned housepets.
Another editor posted above to the effect that I seem to be blaming cats.  I adore cats.  However, an encyclopedia needs to maintain a neutral point of view.  That means presenting both sides fairly.  This is a featured article and the topic concerns endangered species.
Featured article status
I've considered nominating this at Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates.  No one has responded to the post about footnotes by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) on 20 January.  The first two line citations are still missing, which is a strong indication that the article still has all of the errors he notes.  Featured articles of this length generally have more than 26 citations.  Taken together with POV concerns about possible risks to endangered species, this may be a good article rather than the very best that Wikipedia can offer.  I'm expressing these concerns here in the hope of seeing them addressed without formal action.  Regards, Durova 06:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerns 

message: Merge since there is a lengthier bit at Cat#Varieties of domestic cat, the smaller one reads as a stub and would be better suited back here. Chris 02:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Capital.  That is exaclty what this article needs. pschemp | talk 11:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger of cat breed

message: Per above, since this article is already too long, I propose to reverse the direction of the merge, i.e. to move most the content from Cat#Varieties of domestic cat to the Cat breed article, leaving only a brief summary and a link to that article. The Rod (☎ Smith) 06:23, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Capital.  That is exaclty what this article needs. pschemp | talk 11:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverse merge direction

message: cats are not birds like someone once said. They're not fish either.
:Carnivorous mammals! They're also soft, we should definitely add that to the lead! Kitty 03:39, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cats are mammels and nothing more 

message: I HAVE TWO CATS AND MY SON GOT LICE , COULD HE HAVE GOTTEN IT FROM OUIR CATS? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.56.13.92 (talk • contribs) 2006-03-17 15:12:19  (UTC)
:No, lice are species specific, meaning that humans only get human lice.  So he probably got it from another kid.  --Joelmills 19:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lice

message: Can someone move those stupid little infoboxes near the bottom of the article? They cover up the "edit" link for the "External links" section, so you have to edit the whole damn article to edit that section. --ILike2BeAnonymous 23:08, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved 'em around a bit; they shouldn't cover the links up anymore. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 23:21, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help! with article formatting (infobox positioning) 

message: Is it true that, when falling, cats will reach a terminal velocity at 60mph and will spread out like flying squirrels and glide to safety?
:Yes, of course; and they can do this nine times before dying. --ILike2BeAnonymous 23:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flying cats 

message: The intro says just as above, that there are dozens of breeds of domestic cats. I know this is absolutely correct nomenclature-wise, as we are talking about the subspecies felis sylvestris cattus. However, to the neophytes, this may seem like a contradiction in terms. Moreover, in several languages, domestic (or its equivalent) is actually equated to non pure-breds (moggie cat). I would like to suggest, for the sake of simplicity, to just state that there are dozens of breeds of cats.  I think it's quite clear that the focus of the article is the domestic cat as opposed to the wild cat.  --Ramdrake 19:31, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me. (By the way, is "moggie cat" a Britishism? We [Merkins] would say "mongrel" or "mutt", the latter usually applied to dogs.) ==ILike2BeAnonymous 21:50, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The term comes from somewhere in the United Kingdom, that I've been told. I'm also told it's one of the most widely used terms for a mongrel (non purebred). Not that I would know first hand, as I'm one of those quaint North Americans just to the north of you guys who as a first language speaks a totally different language from Europe. :) --Ramdrake 15:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dozens of breeds of ''domestic'' cats 

message: Can someone who's good with page editing try to size or place the images in this section so they don't cause these great gaps that we see in the text? I'd do it, except I really don't have that kind of skill with editing Wikipedia pages yet. Thanks! --Ramdrake 16:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Varieties of domestic cats 

message: The sound a cat makes when walking was used to make the ribbon which bound Fenrir the wolf, son of Loki. The brige to Asgard was a Rainbow. A quick glance at some of the Wikipedia articles on Norse mythology would reveal this, as would quick reading of any book on Norse mythology in your local library. 
I'll be re-editing my reverted edit now.
:Looks like he's right, see Fenrir and . I changed it back again.  --Joelmills 01:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History and Mythology 

message: cats are the most precious thing in your life and some of them have shiny coats as a distrubute  to the law and affences to their owners.By Danielle Rose Kelly ,aged 9. 
:That's very nice. Now learn how to spell (and how to construct a meaningful sentence) before posting anything else here. This is a place for grown-ups to write encyclopedic-like things. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 18:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, well, it's a chance we'll have to take, isn't it? ==ILike2BeAnonymous 08:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  moving comment to talk page 

message: I don't think an encyclopedia should have a link to Funny cat pictures that was added by Bdelisle. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Should we remove the link? --GeorgeMoneyTalk  Contribs 22:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. Always be bold, and especially when removing non-encyclopedic links. Haakon 22:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the link. --GeorgeMoneyTalk  Contribs 23:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to [http://www.mycathatesyou.com/cats Funny cat pictures] by [[User:Bdelisle|Bdelisle]] 

message: I hate this image: :Image:Kot Leni.jpg. I think we should take it off the page. --GeorgeMoneyTalk  Contribs 23:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is just really ugly. Can't we get a better image to show a cat smelling? --GeorgeMoneyTalk  Contribs 19:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What, is there some kind of requirement that all cat pictures have to be cute? I kind of like that picture, in a perverse way. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 19:45, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't have to be "cute", but that picture just looks weird. --GeorgeMoneyTalk  Contribs 20:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:Kot Leni.jpg]] 

message: I removed the  template, which seems to be meant for the pronunciation of "meow". Animal sounds are hard to describe exactly, and cannot be specified via IPA codes. RexNL 21:18, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup-IPA 

message: Interestingly, the symbol used to represent a cat in hieroglyphs, and the word used for "cat" in everyday Egyptian parlance, was pronounced as "miaow".
Is this there because its history or mythology? Lars T. 20:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  From the "History and mythology" section 

message: This pic has some serious image problems. It needs to be removed --Fir0002 www 06:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh I'm not disputing it's appropriateness, I'm just saying that the image quality is atrocious. Over exposure, blurring, severe chromatic abberation, noise, low image res and a poor choice of background make it an extremely poor image; especially when considering the vast amount of photos there must be on shot a common subject. Have a quick look on flickr if there's nothing much on the commons:  --Fir0002 www 10:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I kind of think it's ok, and I also think it is bad. This picture is good, but it has lighting issues looks very homemade like it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. But, if we were to vote on its removal, I would vote keep. --GeorgeMoneyTalk  Contribs 22:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:Mackerel tabby.jpg]] 

message: User:Simpsons contributor keep replacing :Image:Cat cleaning itself.jpg with :Image:Rupertscanjpg.JPG. If he wants to make substantial changes like that, he has to discuss it on the talk page. --GeorgeMoneyTalk  Contribs 23:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: LAST CHANCE TO VOTE
We need to archive this page again. If no one opposes, I will do it on Friday, May 5 UTC.
Should we archive?
Tally:(2/1/0)
Votes close on: 0:0 May 5, 2006 UTC
Support
#--GeorgeMoneyTalk  Contribs 04:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving