Talk:Éric Gagné

message: Can anyone verify that his name has an accent over the E in "Eric"?  I have never seen that before anywhere.  Also, an anon ruined the history of this page by copying and pasting the content to the new, accented location (as opposed to moving the article), but there's probably little that can be done about that now...  RADICALBENDER★ 22:30, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be the French spelling, see the Google search . I'm not sure about it, but both é's look reasonable to me. Nobbie 10:14, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: The French tend to not include accents that are on the first letter of a capitalized word. I submit that the title should be Eric Gagne 128.61.70.49 10:18, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I meant "Eric Gagné" above. Don't know why I didn't write it that way. Anyway, I believe in maintaining accuracy, so we should write his name as he would write it. People who search for "Eric Gagne", the more common way people write his name, should be directed to "Eric Gagné", the correct spelling. 128.61.70.49 04:41, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this.  It is an insult not to include the accent and the redirect should be the other way around.  Anyone know how to do that without copy/paste? →Vik Reykja 22:52, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Verify

message: Add "# Support" or "# Oppose" on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
*Support as nominator. Recury 18:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey 

message: *Support as nominator. Recury 18:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: *Oppose. Clearly "Gagne" is wrong; it should be "Gagné". Here's an image of his name on the back of his jersey and an image of the cover of his book. However, that book cover doesn't have an accent on "Éric". This is a tougher call. In French, the name is Éric, but it is very, very common to not put accents on capital letters, especially first letters. But in real, typeset text, the accents are mandatory. It depends on whether Wikipedia is informal or "professional." English-language publishers tend to drop all accents (as we've seen with José and café), so here are some links to French Canadian sites that all include the accents on both his first and last name:   . These aren't blogs, but newspaper and media publishers. FJM 09:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: I think the paragraph about Gagne being "often compared" to Dennis Eckersley should be modified or cut. I've never heard such a comparison (let alone hearing it often), and there's no citation backing up the frequent comparison. On top of that, it's a deceptive comparison. Eckersley had a long career as a starting pitcher. Only about a dozen active pitchers have as many wins as Eckersley. Thus, the Eckersley/Gagne comparison may lead readers to assume that Eckersley was much less successful as a starter or that Gagne was much more successful as a starter. --JamesAM 00:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gagné has often been compared to Baseball Hall of Famer Dennis Eckersley. Both were former starters who found much success after moving to the bullpen.  Gagné's dominating stretch from 2002-2004 is similar to Eckersley's :during the 1988-1992 seasons. They both have won a Cy Young Award as a relief pitcher, only a handful in the history of the game to do so. In fact, Gagné was the first reliever since Eckersley to win the award.
It doesn't cite any sources for Eckersley comparisons, and they're not actually that similar, as per above. If someone can make a compelling case for its inclusion -- including a citation for someone making an honest appraisal of the two, and concluding that they are in some meaningful way similar -- then I'll put it back. Until then, it doesn't seem to belong.Where Anne hath a will, Anne Hathaway. 20:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison to Dennis Eckersley 

message: I removed the following from the article:
:*List of Major League Baseball all-time saves leaders
Gagne isn't on the list, so I don't really see how it belongs here. If I've just missed him, let me know, but until such a time as his name appears on that page, there's no reason to link to it from his. As it was, it seemed to imply that he is on that list. Where Anne hath a will, Anne Hathaway. 05:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At some point, that link became a redirect to 300 save club, and as he has fewer than 200 he's not on that list, and thus the link is now removed. Echoedmyron (talk) 00:36, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Wiki Link

message: Let's stop with him becoming a member of the Red Sox until the trade becomes official. See http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2955966. He has to wave his no-trade cause. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 19:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added him as # 36 on . I hope its ok. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 05:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eric Gagne 

message: I moved the external link for the bio to the references section and cited it for the early life section.  Other sections probably refer to it as well and should add  where needed.
I rewrote the Early Life section, removing unencyclopedic material, sourcing what I could, and tagging what I couldn't.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 20:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  Better sources are always good and if you find them, by all means use them in preference to JockBio.  However, I disagree that JockBio isn't reliable enough to use here.  Two dozen other articles use it.  I'm opening the question for debate below.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 21:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The MLB biography in  has information on his early life.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 22:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Featured?  Wow.  Doesn't it have to be Good first? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:45, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved bio to references section, early life needs cleanup 

message: Regarding the removal of Detailed biography of Gagné, retrieved 2007-08-05:
Is http://www.jockbio.com a reliable enough source for sports biographies?  Their own web site bills them as The comprehensive, professionally researched and written story of an athlete’s life—the one thing you can NEVER find on the net...even at an athlete’s own web site! and claims the bios are written by Some of the most widely published sportswriters in the country. Self-promotion doesn't make it true.  However, false advertising laws and the desire to maintain a good reputation do lend credibility to these claims.  With that in mind, until proven otherwise I'd judge it somewhere somewhere between a blog and a reputable newspaper by the standards of Wikipedia:Verifiability.  In particular: Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Sources should be appropriate to the claims made: exceptional claims require exceptional sources.  Since the source is being used to support claims that are repeated in print newspapers and official records of the day, the claims are mundane and not exceptional.  This makes jockbio a good secondary source for pre- and early-professional-career information and a lot easier to track down than primary sources or contemporary secondary sources such as newspapers of the day.  These preferred sources may not be online, may not be easily searchable, or may not be easily available without payment.  24 other articles cite jockbio.com.  What do you all think:  Should the jockbio.com removal edit be undone?  I'm asking to avoid a revert war.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 21:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I footnoted to JockBio for the reference to Gagné's starring role in the Junior World Championships, but for nothing else.  Feel free to change it if you find a better reference for the Junior World Championships.  Also, if there is a verifiable reference that explains how Gagné learned English (which I deleted from the article, because I couldn't find any source stating that he learned it through sitcoms), please add the description and the reference.AyaK 01:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliability of JockBio.com 

message: I have assessed this as B Class as, despite its weaknesses, it seems to cover most of what is required of a Good Article (but certainly not all), and as low importance, as I do not feel that many people outside of baseball would be familiar with the subject of the article. Cheers, CP 20:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: I recommend removing (and already removed once) the description of the outcome of the first game that Gagné played for the Brewers due to non-notability.  Unless it somehow turns out to be his only game, then it's really no more special than any other game he'll play for them.  There's really nothing particularly noteworthy about it to make it worth mentioning separately, as will become more and more apparent the more games he plays for Milwaukee.  Cumulative statistics for the entire or significant portions of the season would be more appropriate.  The problem with including a description of this one game, however, is that it encourages other editors to add to the trend, and before you know it, we have a long and unencyclopedic list of individual non-noteworthy games here.  We're best off removing it now.  --DachannienTalkContrib 04:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of first game played for the Brewers 

message: I moved Eric Gagné to Éric Gagné. Like French Canadian, this name is, of course, Éric with accent and not Eric like English language. GabrieL (talk) 02:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  moved to Éric Gagné  

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message: Gagné was apparently involved in a hit and run that almost no major outlets reported on. From what I have found, he was acquitted of most charges due to suffering a concussion during the accident. The only sources I could find were questionable blogs. It seems no one has gone out of their way to request court records of the case. Jcc724 (talk) 12:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hit and run