Talk:Suicide clutch

message: Having separate pages for both Suicide shifter and Jockey shifter is obviously silly.  They are variant terms for the same thing, with some but not all sources using the terms "suicide clutch"  (the foot control) in combination or contrast to "jockey shifter" (the hand operated gear selector), while other sources gloss over the difference.  Hence the need to elaborate on a single page, as with Non-flammable and Flammable, etc.  Google says "suicide shifter" is about four times more common than "jockey shifter" and about twice as common as "suicide clutch", so the merge target needs to be Suicide shifter as per WP:COMMONNAME.  --Dbratland (talk) 20:43, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: Currently, there are two articles about hand operated shifters - the Jockey Shifter article and the Suicide Shifter article. Both cover basically the same thing, with heavy references to the Suicide Clutch. Since all those above seem to agree that:
# There is no such thing as a suicide shifter
# A suicide clutch is an interesting variant of foot-operated motorcycle clutch
then there should be one article for hand operated motorbike gear shifters and one article for foot-operated clutches, including suicide clutches.
If everyone agrees, I would be happy to make the changes by cobbling together the info in the current articles.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nighthawk (talk • contribs) 09:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and moved Suicide shifter to Suicide clutch, and merged in Jockey shifter.  I didn't delete anything yet, but it does need to have all of the unsourced material deleted. There are a lot of sources listed at the bottom that could be used to add inline citations. I think it's pedantic to say there is no such thing as a suicide shifter -- some people just use the term when they mean a suicide clutch. They're not wrong; it's just a term that is kind of vague. Note that all of the opinions above saying the term doesn't exist fail to cite actual sources. If you can find a real source -- not some blogger or forum commenter -- who says the term is wrong, great, but if not, then it's merely some editor's opinion.<P>Regardless of all that, please go ahead and clean up the article. I'm sure you can improve it quite a bit. --Dbratland (talk) 17:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suicide Clutch Article Proposal 

message: So some guy claims that it's not a suicide clutch if you have a front brake, but I found several examples of authors like Alan Girdler and Dave Edwards using the term on bikes that have not had the front brake removed, such as Edwards's "8-ball" Indian Scout Bob Job that appeared in The Art of the Motorcycle. I can see how if you have a foot clutch that doesn't latch and then go and remove the front brake you're going to make a bad situation even worse, but that doesn't mean removing the front brake is necessary to have one, according to many sources. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:10, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Front brake 

message: This nightmare article only keeps getting worse. It needs a complete rewrite, working strictly from verifiable sources. Lots of source material exists, but most of the contents now are just some anonymous guy on a soapbox rambling on about stuff he remembers from 40 years ago. Needs lots of work. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 04:14, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Six years later it seems clear that nothing has changed here. The majority of the article is written in a style that makes it obvious it's personal opinion with nothing to back it up. I agree, nuke it and start over. TooManyFingers (talk) 05:45, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. 

message: One thing I did not see discussed (and it will surely be booed by the real manly bikers I am sure) is any efforts that were made in converting so-called suicide clutch bikes to the newer arrangement (i.e., a handle-bar clutch lever). Perhaps none were ever done though it seems like someone would have liked to avoid the issues mentioned throughout the existing article. And for the record, I never owned an Indian or a Harley. I learned to ride on a Honda CB750, and later owned a Hodaka Rat and a Honda CB350F. I wouldn't mind owning an Indian but, like everything else fun, they've been priced out of my league. C'est la vie. JimScott (talk) 21:04, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conversions?