Talk:San Juan, Puerto Rico

message: I believe you should add for example that Hurricane Maria was the "deadliest natural disaster in over a century".<NBC><News> I also believe that you should add the fact that a little less than 3,000 people were killed.<NBC></News>
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jafi laffi (talk • contribs) 00:16, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurricane Maria  

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. Opposers cited WP:USPLACE, though the lone supporter did argue that this could be a misinterpretation of the guideline. Some of those on the oppose side also argued that San Juan, PR is not ahead of other items on the dab page by a large enough margin to be considered the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. (closed by non-admin page mover) estar8806 (talk) ★ 00:55, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: How about rather than move this page, we could move the dab page and have San Juan redirect here? Interstellarity (talk) 18:53, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

text: The argument regarding WP:USPLACE applying here is faulty because the naming convention at WP:USPLACE that "According to the comma convention, articles on populated places IN the United States are typically titled "Placename, State" when located within a state or "Placename, Territory" in US territories", is itself faulty: the convention uses "territories" implying UNincorporated territories, yet UNincorporated territories are, by definition, not IN the United States, making the statement at WP:USPLACE self-contradictory. That is, for a territory to be IN the United States it has to be part of it, i.e., it has to be INcorporated into the United States, which the territories are not.Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244, pp. 141-142. The United States consists only of the 50 States and DC.What constitutes the United States? What are the official definitions? USGS. Retrieved 1 November 2023. The territories (or, more precisely, the "UNincorporated" territories) are possessions of the United States but aren't part of it.Balzac v. Porto Rico, 258 U.S. 298 (1922)Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U. S. 244.Dorr v. United States, 195 U. S. 138.Christina Duffy Bernett. Foreign in a Domestic Sense. Duke University Press. 2001. p.1 Mercy11 (talk) 02:44, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the some of the most egregious wikilawyering I have ever seen. Since USPLACE mentions "Placename, Territory" explicitly as a convention to follow, the clear intent is to cover territories. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: USPLACE is not universal when we have a primary topic. Look at Pittsburgh, Miami, Dallas, Los Angeles, Dededo largest city in Guam, San Diego, etc... USPLACE take precedent if the place is not the primary topic. Otherwise it's simply whether consensus is gained. No matter the outcome here, San Juan, Puerto Rico absolutely should be placed at the top of the disambiguation page. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:34, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 31 October 2023 

message: Cf. Talk:San Juan#followup to move discussion. --Joy (talk) 17:40, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  followup to move discussion