Talk:Brian Deer

message: Hi. the first paragraph of this article is almost verbatim Deer's description of himself on his own website, briandeer.com. even if Deer didnt make the entry himself, he still technically wrote it, albeit unwittingly, which iirc is not allowed
The External Links section also contains multiple links to different reviews of his book, which is unusual
briandeer.com: Brian Deer is a British-born investigative journalist, best known for inquiries into medicine, the drug industry, and social issues for The Sunday Times, and for his books 'The Doctor Who Fooled the World' and 'Blind Trial' 
Wikipedia: Brian Deer is a British investigative reporter, best known for inquiries into the drug industry, medicine and social issues for The Sunday Times. Deer's investigative nonfiction book, The Doctor Who Fooled the World, was published in September 2020 by Johns Hopkins University Press.
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thread_title: Intro mirrors description on Deer's personal website

message: Breaking News: Landmark autism study by Dr. Andrew Wakefield was "an elaborate fraud", CNN. 
: Kathleen and Eliot will talk with Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent, and JB Handley, the father of an autistic child and founder of Generation Rescue, about the following breaking story:
: (CNN) – A now-retracted British study that linked autism to childhood vaccines was an "elaborate fraud" that has done long-lasting damage to public health, a leading medical publication reported Wednesday. An investigation published by the British medical journal BMJ concludes the study's author, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, misrepresented or altered the medical histories of all 12 of the patients whose cases formed the basis of the 1998 study - and that there was "no doubt" Wakefield was responsible. "It's one thing to have a bad study, a study full of error, and for the authors then to admit that they made errors," Fiona Godlee, BMJ's editor-in-chief, told CNN. "But in this case, we have a very different picture of what seems to be a deliberate attempt to create an impression that there was a link by falsifying the data."
It will be interesting to hear what JB Handley, founder of Generation Rescue, has to say about this. This wasn't simple carelessness, but "elaborate fraud". Not only has Wakefield lost his license to practice medicine, he should be imprisoned. This probably won't make any difference to those who are involved in the vaccine controversy movement. Facts never do. -- Brangifer (talk) 23:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Unsurprising to those who follow this, but Wakefield's coworker Prof. Walker-Smith was vindicated as the claims of "elaborate fraud" by the GMC were themselves proved to be an elaborate fraud in the High Court appeal. www.naturalnews.com/035256_Professor_Walker-Smith_MMR_vaccines_High_Court.html #ixzz1pC6wlnal] Carltonh (talk) 15:13, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if it was posted on naturalnews.com, then it must be true. They've never posted anything misleading, false, or outright insane, right? :) For those of us who have brainwashed by the medical-industrial complex and prefer sources with a reputation for "factual accuracy", here's the BBC's coverage: . Probably worth noting Walker-Smith's successful appeal, although perhaps we should draw the distinction that the finding is in no way vindication for Andrew Wakefield (a distinction lost on some). MastCell Talk 17:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some additional questionable information about Brian Deer, that should merit further investigation. There is some information provided on this website, which could offer the tip of the iceberg in regards to the matter.  Has anyone looked into this information from unbiased sources - the BBC not included?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.245.164 (talk) 18:13, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Andrew Wakefield]]'s autism study declared "an elaborate fraud" 

message: The newspaper article which is provided to reference that celebrity psychiatrist, Raj Persaud, was suspended from practising medicine due to reporting by Deer does not mention Deer's reporting at all. A better source must be produced to establish this causation. __meco (talk) 13:08, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have added one story and found a radio interview at Deer's site, where the witness in the case talks about Deer being the journalist, but don't really know how to ref radio interviews. It is here: http://briandeer.com/audio/persaud.mp3  81.108.171.172 (talk) 11:58, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source doesn't mention Deer 

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message: In 2016, Deer tweeted "When I began my investigation of research cheat Andrew Wakefield, he was a doctor and I wasn't." It definitely implies he is now a doctor, but I am not sure. I am probably going to add that fact with the tweet as a source, but I thought to add a topic here just in case anyone objects. Slamforeman (talk) 05:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh it’s already mentioned, so I suppose nevermind. Slamforeman (talk) 05:39, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Deer a doctor? 

message: After squandering an hour of time, I have not been able to find any secondary source confirming any of slamforeman's edits to this article. They all look to be the result of the editor's personal research. One link I found citing social media leads to nothing on the subjects nationality/middle name, the date of birth is worked out by the editor's own arithmetic, which he/she says was based on a comment by Deer in his book, with no secondary source etc etc. I know celebrities sometimes lie over their dob's for vanity or fraud prevention. Deer is not a celebrity, although he may do the same. Whatever the facts, I cannot verify any of the edits slamforman has made. He/she has a record here of reverting anyone who takes a different view, so I have not reverted the text back a few weeks (which is what I think is needed when such fundamental 'facts' are introduced to a biography without clear secondary sourcing). Could another editor take a look? Sledgehamming (talk) 17:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I am reviewing, as part of Wikiproject rating work. While a well-rounded biography should absolutely include early life / personal life data, each piece of such data must be well-sourced, and I agree, this is not OK coming from primary sources or Twitter (though both of these can be used in certain limited ways for some points). Working out year or date of birth is not OK.  I will be trimming now. Brian Deer is a notable journalist, who has done great service in exposing fraud, etc., and the article is proper - but it is wrong to have his Wikipedia bio below quality standards. SeoR (talk) 00:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research - fresh eyes needed on recent edits