Talk:Last Order: Final Fantasy VII

message: It had been previously speculated that the hidden scene on Disc 2 of Final Fantasy VII—accessible by visiting the Shinra Mansion's basement—happened only a few days before the opening events of the game's story. However, Before Crisis confirms that the two make their escape from Nibelheim a year before the opening events of Final Fantasy VII, and—as such—Turks recently added into continuity, yet not shown in the original Final Fantasy VII, are among Zack's pursuers.
This can't be correct.  Tseng talks about what happened "5 years ago" during Last Order, refering to the Nibelheim incident.
This occurs after Zack and Cloud escape from Shin-Ra mansion.
Tifa, during the game, says "it was 5 years ago" (again, the Nibelheim incident).
So the escape from the mansion couldn't have been a year before Final Fantasy VII.  Correct?
Chibi Gohan 18:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last Order's place in the timeline 

message: It's been a while since this article was updated with news about Last Order. Is this OVA still coming? Anyone know? — CuaHL 02:21, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if you don't mind the moral and legal questionability of the act, you can go ahead and download the full OVA via BitTorrent. It's pretty good, really. - Vague | Rant 13:00, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any news? 

message: Below I'll point out some of the current inaccuracies in the article and what's wrong with them.
* "[Anything and everything that discusses the Jenova Project as though it were Hojo's]"
The Jenova Project had been Gast's; Hojo was just his assistant.
* "For the next four years, Zack and Cloud are used as experiments for testing Hojo's Jenova Reunion Theory. Hojo injected Cloud with large amounts of Jenova cells and Mako energy. Zack is used as a control for the experiments, yet Cloud is suffering from severe Mako poisoning."
Zack was not a control, and Cloud wasn't the only one to receive that treatment. All the survivors of the massacre were injected with Jenova cells and infused with Mako. This was to test Hojo's Jenova Reunion Theory; he calls Cloud and the others "Sephiroth clones" afterward because of the similiarity between this experiment and the Jenova Project.
* "His [(Cloud's)] memory is erased, and his body is in a comatose state and because of this. Hojo had labeled him a failed experiment."
Cloud's memory wasn't erased. It was just clouded by all the memories that didn't belong to him that were in the Mako he was infused with. Also, he wasn't labeled a failure. The failure was Zack, the strong-willed one. Cloud and the others were successful. Hojo wanted them to be vegetables so that the Jenova cells could take effect.
* "They hitch a ride in a pickup truck heading to Midgar. This is where Zack decides that he is going to be a handy man of sorts, a mercenary, and take Cloud with him. They finally start to relax and think of the good times that will come when they reach Midgar, but in mid sentence, Zack stops and senses an imminent attack. The army regulars have again jumped the gun without waiting for the Turks. This time Zack and Cloud aren't so lucky. Zack is shot and killed while protecting Cloud."
Zack doesn't die in the pickup truck. He's just wounded by the bullet, which prevents him from fighting back as efficiently as he otherwise would have when he and Cloud reach the bluff overlooking Midgar. That's why he dies there.
* "According to Last Order, Cloud and Sephiroth had much more dialogue than in the game before Sephiroth impaled Cloud with his masamune."
This is something of an exaggeration. The dialogue from the original game can be matched up almost exactly with that in Last Order prior to Sephiroth running Cloud through, the only exceptions being that Sephiroth didn't say "You -- You bastard" in the original game when Cloud gutted him, and said "Aaarrrgh...... who... who are you?" instead. After that however, there was some notable additional dialogue as well as Cloud getting impaled a second time.
* "In Final Fantasy VII, when Sephiroth stabs Cloud near the end, he stabs him in the right shoulder (running parallel to when Sephiroth stabs him in the same shoulder in Advent Children). In Last Order, Cloud is stabbed in the gut."
The sword pierced Cloud's chest, actually.
Be aware that these are only some of the mistakes. I'm not listing them all, but I will correct them. Ryu Kaze 14:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Weeding Inaccuracies

message: There's currently no plans to release an English version of Last Order, so the English cast list is unnecessary, if not misleading. I'm going to remove it. Ryu Kaze 15:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning an English Dub... 

message: I think this is wrong. It states that "they spare Cloud's life, noting him to already be in a heavily-impaired state and expecting that he will shortly expire anyway. They lie about the outcome of this situation, stating that Cloud escaped while Zack was killed in his resistance." I think what actually happens is that they spare Cloud's life expecting him to die...and then because he actually survives, he has 'escaped.' ShinRa therefore accurately notes that Zack was killed but Cloud escaped.
You're correct. They left him for dead. WtW-Suzaku 14:32, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The actual FFVII game, and there are also brief flashes of it in Advent Children. The original game cut directly from them riding in the back of the truck, to being on the edge of the cliff. Last Order filled in a bit of the gap by showing the scene in which Zack is shot by a sniper rifle while covering Cloud. This was likely done for the dramatic effect of the sound of a single gunshot, and also to explain why Zack was able to be overtaken by a squad of Shinra Soldiers, which he normally should have been able to easily defeat (something that's bugged fans for quite some time). WtW-Suzaku 18:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unseen Epilogue 

message: Do we really need a fandom reaction? I understand there can be criticism for a show/movie/game or something, but is Wikipedia the right place to voice them? Shouldn't the article just stick to plot, characters, release info, music or what not? I mean, who are these "some fans" that the section mentions? I think if we're gonna have a section talking about controvery or praise or criticsm, it should be referenced with actual "reviews" from professional game/movie reviewers, rather than fan bias.
Vera26 06:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fandom 

message: For the following reasons:
*The use of hyphons, dashes, tildes, etc. is a non-standard English practice of handling subtitles. It is a Japanese practice. This is the English Wikipedia, and MOS states to follow common English grammar. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks): "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment".
*The above phrase of "even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment" invalidates whatever Square "officially" uses since it's not normal.
*Pretty much everyone who's not an otaku fanboy (not that's anything wrong with that) uses colons for these titles. IGN is just one example, but there's plenty where that came from.
*Here's the kicker: there's not even any hyphon/dashes in the logos. Since it's not even replicating that, it makes it pure Japanese-English.  
I am quite confident that my moves support Wiki guidelines, and I also know that at least one other user supports such moves (User:Kariteh) but I suggest that anyone who feels strongly enough otherwise to strike up a survey and we can debate it. --SeizureDog 16:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussion is continued here. Axem Titanium 15:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved titles from hyphons to colons for subtitles

message: This is the biggest difference between Last Order and the Game.  In LO, Sephiroth jumps into the Lifestream and in Game, Cloud throws him in.  Just wanted to reaffirm that.  Alright, sorry, thanks! Michaelkulov 02:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already noted, and don't forget to sign your post. Kariteh 22:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cloud throws him in FFVII 

message: The female Turk with short blonde hair would be Elena, from the game, correct? But the first time you meet Elena in the game, doesn't she comment that she's a brand new member, and only got promoted because you wounded Reno in Midgar, temporarily taking him out of action? If I'm remembering correctly, she shouldn't appear in this film...unless she's like an intern or something.
I wonder why the Shinra uniforms were changed from blue to green...71.225.102.120 02:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Elena

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