Talk:Mike Daisey

message: Should there be a blurb about the walkout of ninety Christians from a performance, which included one person pouring water all over his notes? The video has been making rounds on the internet. Soonercary 19:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Walkout Incident?

message: I moved the glowing reviews out of the lede and into a reviews section.  Having them in the lede makes the article read like Mr. Daisey's press kit.  Ref:  WP:LEAD WP:PEACOCK Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest
Jrauser 04:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So fix it. 87.113.82.247 (talk) 17:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Effusive reviews

message: In you inexplicably angry zeal, fellow editors, you've made this article worthless and un-encyclopedic. This is one of the worst, and perhaps most emotionally fueled, articles I've read on Wikipedia, especially one about a currently popular person. I would try to fix it, but... I wont.
-L3334253 (talk) 22:22, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hmm. 

message: I received this email from Ira Glass on March 16, 2012. I've updated a small blurb under the Agony & Ecstasy monologue section, but this topic should probably have a more prominent placement under a "Controversy" or similar heading:
:I’m writing to tell you that tonight, This American Life and Marketplace will reveal that a story that we broadcast on This American Life this past January contained significant fabrications.
:We’re retracting that story because we can’t vouch for its truth, and this weekend's episode of our show will detail the errors in the story, which was an excerpt of Mike Daisey's acclaimed one-man show, "The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs." In it, Daisey tells how he visited a factory owned by Foxconn that manufactures iPhones and iPads in Shenzhen, China. He's performed the monologue in theaters around the country; it's currently at the Public Theater in New York.
:When the original 39-minute excerpt was broadcast on This American Life, Marketplace China Correspondent Rob Schmitz wondered about its truth. He located and interviewed Daisey's Chinese interpreter Li Guifen (who goes by the name Cathy Lee professionally with westerners). She disputed much of what Daisey has been telling theater audiences since 2010 and much of what he said on the radio.
:During fact checking before the broadcast of Daisey's story, I and This American Life producer Brian Reed asked Daisey for this interpreter's contact information, so we could confirm with her that Daisey actually witnessed what he claims. Daisey told us her real name was Anna, not Cathy as he says in his monologue, and he said that the cell phone number he had for her didn't work any more. He said he had no way to reach her.
:At that point, we should've killed the story. But other things Daisey told us about Apple's operations in China checked out, and we saw no reason to doubt him. We didn't think that he was lying to us. That was a mistake.
:Schmitz does a 20-minute story on our show this weekend about his findings, and we'll also broadcast an interview I did with Daisey. Marketplace will feature a shorter version of Schmitz's report earlier in the evening. You can read more details on our website, and listen to our show on WBEZ at 7 p.m. tonight, and noon tomorrow.
:We've been planning a live presentation of Daisey's monologue on stage at the Chicago Theatre on April 7th, with me leading a Q&A afterwards. Maybe you've heard me advertising it on the air. That show will be cancelled and all tickets will be refunded.
:I've never had to write an email like this. Like all our friends and colleagues in public radio, I and my co-workers at This American Life work hard every day to make sure that what you hear on WBEZ is factually correct. We will continue to do that, and hope you can forgive this.
:Best,
:Ira Glass  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hobodave (talk • contribs) 17:47, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Put above stuff in proper chrono order. Nobody seems to give a shit, the obverse says nothing about the fraud. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 08:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Also there are plenty of sources on the NPR Fraud, including a current New Yorker article, which is what brought me here. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 11:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Road Runner customer. If there are plenty of reliable sources for some information, then you may add the information to the article, citing those reliable sources and otherwise adhering to the policies of WP in general and those pertaining to living people in particular. -- Hoary (talk) 01:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Breaking News

message: In this edit, somebody in NYC changes a description of a monologue by Daisey from
:It purports to examine globalization by exploring the exploitation of Chinese workers through the lens of "the rise and fall and rise of Apple, industrial design, and the human price we are willing to pay for our technology, woven together in a complex narrative."
to
:It purports to tell a true story about Daisy's [sic] by exploration of the exploitation of Chinese workers through personal interviews with Chinese workers and to focus the lens of "the rise and fall and rise of Apple, industrial design, and the human price we are willing to pay for our technology, woven together in a complex narrative."
with the edit summary
:Is Mike Daisy being allowed to write this article? Why does it keep being rewirtten without using accruate words like "evidence" and phrases like "purpoted to be true"
I imagine that the first question is merely rhetorical. If it's actually serious, see this for the answer.
Why does it keep being rewritten? Simply, to accord with each successive editor's understanding of either (A) the facts as they are presented in cited, reliable, sources, or (B) the truth as understood by the editor. (A) is right and (B) is wrong.
Let's look at this edit. It results in the implication that It purports to tell a true story about Daisy's [sic] by exploration of the exploitation of Chinese workers through personal interviews with Chinese workers [...] is said within a specific CNET story.
The CNET story does not say this. The edit (one of a series from the same IP number) made the article imply an untruth. And that's why I reverted it.
If you don't like the way the article is now written, find authoritative sources (see this) that say something else, and rewrite according to and citing those sources, of course avoiding bias. Other attempts to add alleged or actual truths will be reverted. -- Hoary (talk) 08:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Emotional edits

message: This supposedly is an article about Mike Daisey.  Instead, it is entirely about two of his performances.  I was looking for biographical information about the man as it appears in other Wikipedia articles about living persons, but there's nothing.  You have not told us anything about his personal background other than how they relate to performances. 75.171.3.225 (talk) 17:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Qwest Communications customer. If there are reliable sources for biographical information, then people (perhaps you) may add the information to the article, citing those reliable sources and otherwise adhering to the policies of WP in general and those pertaining to living people in particular. -- Hoary (talk) 01:57, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about the man himself? 

message: The list of his monologues is gone now, and although the information up top is clearly the most important, lacking citation isn't a good reason to blank information that could be very easily looked up and confirmed.75.72.175.170 (talk) 23:21, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Comcast customer. If you can find information that has been deleted from this article confirmed in reliable sources, then you may readd the information to the article, citing the reliable sources and otherwise adhering to the policies of Wikipedia in general and those pertaining to living people in particular. -- Hoary (talk) 02:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Yes, in this edit, "Truthsquader" removed much of the content, added judgemental material, and bizarrely described this edit: Retained the salient information about the individual. I am still mopping up. A lot of the material -- notably, exactly where he performed this or that monologue -- that I'm readding is unsourced, but in the short term this hardly matters as it is most unlikely to be controversial and its inclusion helps other editors look for evidence. Of course what can't be sourced within a reasonable time should then go. -- Hoary (talk) 06:58, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of shows 

message: I just want to make note of the fact that the Apple/China/This American Life controversy is currently dealt with at some length in 2 separate sections. Not good. This needs to be rectified in some way: either keep it all in the monolog section, or summarize there and merge the bulk of the info into the controversy section (with a link to that section). Cgingold (talk) 22:32, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 2X 

message: Mike Daisey lied in the report, he said the factory guards have guns and that freeways ended at a drop-off only with orange traffic cones. It makes the show more dramatic but it is not true. And I do not think factory workers have ever go to Starbucks. We do not have the American orange cones here that he mention, and roads here are very safe and organised and a unfinished freeway could NEVER be allowed to be driven on. Its nonsense and he knows very little about China.
So why remove from the article that he lied and instead say he 'dramatised' his report. He lied.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.139.28.78 (talk) 11:39, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's mostly just one editor, who keeps removing all the negative statements and criticism.  If this keeps up, we'll have to either ban that user or protect the article.  It's getting ridiculous. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:42, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is someone removing the information that he lied?? 

message: I rewrote the Themes section, using citations, this time.  However, it was a little difficult for me to find relevant articles online, because Google is swamped with outraged bloggers, writing about the Agony/Ecstasy scandal.  Eventually, in frustration, I gave up on getting anything useful at all from Google and just searched the archives of Slate.com, the Seattle PI, and the NYT.  This results on somewhat homogeneous sources, as well as a potential overreliance on a single author (Jason Zinoman is cited quite a few times in this article).  I tried to avoid synthesis and original research, but, since I had so much trouble finding usable sources, it was difficult.  If someone takes exception to my writing, I won't be offended.  If you do decide to try to rewrite this section, I recommend using Jason Zinoman's articles as a starting point, as they're well-written and in-depth, rather than the "fifth grade book report" style that even most professional critics use. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:55, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is a slow creeping disaster because people keep forcing negative information. It's like, we get it Mike Daisey sucks, can i just get some useful information about him besides the two things you know about him? Thanks. -Meep291 (talk) 10:05, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Themes 

message: Somebody using successive IPs of Mid-Maine Communications, Inc. has a monomania about Daisey, as the article history will show. No reliable source is ever adduced. Since the warning given to the penultimate IP had no effect, I've awarded a week's vacation to the latest IP. If this recurs, award longer vacations. -- Hoary (talk) 22:58, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced personal allegation

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