Talk:Skate punk

message: In the 90s, pop punk bands were often influenced by 80s punk and hardcore, musically and lyrically. Pop punk today is more often influenced by bands such as Blink 182, Green Day, and New Found Glory who created pop punk music that has almost no resemblance to 80s punk and hardcore. Skate punk is not a real genre, it just describes a trend of pop punk in the 90s. Delete this article.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.179.7 (talk) 21:58, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: This article needs to be deleted

message: First off, this doesn't give any real definition of what 'skate punk' is, and it seems like any band that someone who skateboards happens to like can be added to this article at any time.  Some songs by The Bouncing Souls like Manthem and East Coast! Fuck You! might be considered skate punk, but The Offspring and Pennywise, absolutely no chance.  Nearly all their songs are about political and social issues and neither have ever given any indication of giving half a fuck about skateboarders.  Hell, Avril friggin Lavigne is closer to skate punk than those two bands, and half of Sum 41's videos show spoiled suburban mall rats like the kid who posted the 'this article is stiupted' comment below me skateboarding.  Alkaline Trio also aren't anything close to skate punk.
As long as skate punk remains completely undefined, this article shouldn't exist.  Thank you.
yes i agree!!!! (besides me and my skater freinds like to be referd to as thugs)
Wannabe rockstar (talk) 20:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the page was created by one of Michaels incarnations and originally listed bands including Sex Pistols, Chumbawamba and 1970s rock band Trapeze (band) as 'skate punk', the latter presumably because one member of that band happened to be a namesake of a member of Crass!!! (who were by no stretch of the imagination 'skatepunk' either!!!)
This article is basically drivel - anon
This isn't even a genre!  Delete --Smooth Henry 20:49, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Worst article I've ever seen

message: the article sucks, but skate punk IS a genre. it refers to (drumroll please) punk music made by and for skaters. 4 note basslines, almost surf-ish drums, and fast, ramones-style guitar. mostly played on the upbeat instead of the downbeat, skatecore is known for emulating the 'feel' of skating. skate punk utilizes quick uptempo 'jumps' of silence at the end of the measure to emphasize the start of the riff. 70.56.91.147 21:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that’s exactly what I thought when I read Mr. 70.56.91.147’s comment. I’m going to insinuate his words into the opening paragraph now, and maybe roll up my sleeves and dive into this some other time (right after I sort out people who think “underground rap” means “Tribe Called Quest and Jurassic 5 and other ‘conscious’ acts I discovered during freshman year”). —Curmudgeon 17:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  article sucks 

message: Wow, this article IS pretty spotty at best.. I don't understand the grunge connection fully, if you're going to mention that,why not hiphop or some other genre that skaters got into?    And where is the mention of the entire ubiquitous FAT roster of bands as generally BEING skatepunk during the 90s in every small town and city?  Dan Carkner 15:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAT "Wreck Chords" etc. 

message: This article is not good, it needs a neutrality tag. Gopherbassist 16:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: One sided

message: This is disgusting. It's nothing more than blatant advertisement of the bands named, and the "facts" contained within the article is not cited. --Scotteh 17:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
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message: Wow, this article needs way more work than I could have ever known from running across it on Google. Sublime are not “ska-punk legends”—they’re fun, they’re white; they’re more like a frat-boy drinking soundtrack. Geez, how old is the kid who wrote this, fifteen? That’s not a slag on younger folks, but it does lack a certain perspective. —Grunge fashion, 50% off at Macy*s! 17:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why am I writing this, I’m basically reiterating what everyone’s said above me 

message: Skate punk or skatepunk?
I've seen either used most of my life, and either is correct. Remember, we're talking about PUNK, there are no rules... Teamgoon 12:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Also 

message: Isn't Skate-Punk just Post Surf-Punk??
OMGZ 08/12/06/ 10:25
What's surf punk? -Switch t 10:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skate Punk 

message: They played in '97? Something's wrong here. I've heard interviews where Noodles said that their stint on the '05 tour was the first time on it.
Blackbird 1565 06:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Offspring at Warped 

message: When did skate punk start? What was the first skate punk band? // Liftarn (talk)
JFA,The Faction,Agent Orange, McRad, and RKL were the first skate punk bands. Nofx didnt come till the 90's. Hardcore bands like Blackflag and Minor Threat were popular among skateboards because of their sound and that the members skated. But they were more hardcore. But JFA and Agent Orange really started skate punk.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.97.167 (talk) 02:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, WOW the article HAS been cleaned up so much for the better! Go WIKI! (I'm making a donation right now) Ok, YES you're someone who is in the know & really boiling it down here to the crucial definitive moment. I also agree on your band list, and also what you're saying about the distinction(are you a band that skates, or are you a Skate Rock band?). But, there is no doubt that the more hardcore bands that skated are MAJORLY involved here and really helped to propel the Skate Rock momentum at that exact same moment in rock history. One of the things that's kind of disturbing still about the article is no mention of THRASHER Magazine and it's Skate Rock articles or it's Skate Rock compilation albums, which are just as important as your band list. I know you're concerned about the diversity gettting WAY out of control here but IMO early hardcore is the yang part of this crucial era and frequently gets short-dicked. Frankly it gets me pretty worked up. Like the first Powell videos...I understand that's the McRad guy but come on, no one listened to music like that except kids that didn't skate until they first saw it.Hanz ofbyotch (talk) 01:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: How come i do not see them beeing mentioned? Ain't they doing some skate-punk stuff aswell?!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.228.21.255 (talk) 13:05, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Dwarves 

message: in my opinion, blink is the revolution of the punk rock and skate punk in the world.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lara Conde (talk • contribs) 23:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blink 182 

message: All -core genres are basically genres of Hardcore punk and aren't so much musically different but are presenting different images. Anarch-core (Anarcho Punk) was a variation of Hardcore Punk which lead to Crust-core (Crust Punk) which then lead to Grindcore. Also from Hardcore was Skatecore (Skate Punk) which like Anarchcore / Anarcho Punk was just another variation of Hardcore with another theme. Metalosaurus (talk) 16:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only do I disagree, but I also disagree with the whole name of the article. It's Skate Rock, and it originally came from Thrasher Magazine's Skate Rock articles and album compilations, first one was pressed in 1983.Hanz ofbyotch (talk) 20:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The genre is "Skatecore" but also known as "Skate punk" 

message: What about the group Intense Degree who did the classic skating song "Skate Bored". Metalosaurus (talk) 16:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intense Degree 

message: Do we have any sources that say both of those records stoped signing skate punk bands? I mean, just the fact that pour habit are signed seems to falsify that statement. Unless anyone has any objections I'm going to remove that statement. Deedeek (talk) 09:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stopped Signing bands? 

message: I've attempted to define the sound and characteristics of Skate Punk better, added a reference link, and cleaned up some of the grammar and composition issues.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.130.36 (talk) 03:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I've made changes to this article 

message: If Nirvana is going to be left in the article, there should be a reference listing them as skate punk. They are commonly understood to be alternative rock and/or grunge.71.197.65.138 (talk) 07:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nirvana 

message: The musical style section could do with some more references. The Allmusic page covers some aspects of this.  However, it mention 'high energy' rather than 'intensity'. These terms have different meanings when describing music, what do people think? Jonpatterns (talk) 10:41, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, Allmusic isn't an ideal source, so if you have any others please include them. I originally put all the things I hadn't got references for in the second paragraph - which is how I have left it now. I found a MRR ref from the thrashcore article that talks about bands being both skate core (AKA skate punk) and thrash core.Jonpatterns (talk) 19:28, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical Style reference 

message: We know punk was revived during the 80s and 90s in places like Southern California and that's a given, but I've never once heard of the term "skate punk" as a catch all for this movement including BMX riders and surfers as early as the mid-late 1970s and fail to see why this association is made on wikipedia. Excuse the earlier polemical, but I'm not a regular contributor to wikipedia. The reference in particular to it being covered on skate videos is a bit of a misnomer to say the least it's also been covered on videos related to no less than rollerblading, body boarding, surfing and the pass times associated with it have been around for so long as BMX riders such as Bob Haro later of Haro Bikes were riding BMX bikes in swimming pools in Southern California in the 1970s and also in the associated surfing movements. I fail to see the conection here that this is a unique movement.
Bias should cover this one, further discussion can also be raised here. I fail to see how this is relevantly different to other articles including 1980s Punk Rock in California, Hardcore punk and other similar articles of this nature. I suggest this article needs some serious revision or a merger with other articles of a similar nature, undue weight is given to the importance and relevance of skateboarding to the punk music scene, no other derivative article exists, surf punk is now also merged into the main article for hardcore punk. --123.211.208.122 (talk) 05:32, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't forget hockey punk. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:44, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  we can add lots of things to the list including golf punk ad nauseam, I think it solidifies that this isn't some sort of unique movement. I hate to reference myself, but I grew up in it. As much as we liked to tell everyone to take a hike no matter whether we were boarders, riders or other, it's the same movement, which I think we can agree is my point. As to the various things going on here and some of the contents of this article, really I can remember watching more 411VM skate videos that represented skating as a black subculture where everyone listened to hip hop rather than punk. I more so associate punk with Props BMX and surfing video. Yeah the term skater punk came along, and yeah there are punk rock bands around that associate themselves with skating, then there are just as many old school BMX riders such as Bob Haro and Bob "robbie" Morales that were equally as active in the scene in southern California at the time as anyone else was in the mid-late 1970s, 80s and early 90s where hardcore punk found its way. I guess what I am saying is that this is far from a unique movement to skateboarding and that this article is truly not representative of what was going on at the time. --123.211.208.122 (talk) 12:03, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Aye. Pretty much what I meant, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:16, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is "skate punk" anyway?

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message: EuropeanSwedenAmerican2222 rewrote the entire page. the references are a mess, its off topic stuff that belongs in a bands article, some good/ok/decent staff and the rest just biased filler that dilutes the whole article which is about, skate punk. This editor does not care whats right but their way and not collaborating. Clearly doesn't care doesn't even see why the edits were made.2601:84:302:A460:341F:F8:7E41:C489 (talk) 17:22, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Im going to start populating this section with all the Mistakes that keep being re-added such as information on albums that aren't skate punk. Then this gets reported as what it is. Extra maShaunix or extra Binkster pages. Being disruptive as usual. 2601:84:302:A460:8CC1:4DA8:EC1D:F2C0 (talk) 22:54, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  edit warrior and bad edits 

message: This request is from Brian Brannon, the singer for JFA, who was intimately involved in the creation of skate punk.
This article contradicts itself. In the first sentence of the second paragraph, it says:
"Skate punk was pioneered in the 1980s by bands such as Suicidal Tendencies and JFA."
Then in the second sentence under History>Early development (1980s), it states:
"The Big Boys,[5] JFA[5] and Suicidal Tendencies[1] all are considered pioneers of skate punk."
Note that these two sentences discuss who are considered the pioneers, but in the first instance, The Big Boys are left out and Suicidal Tendencies is listed first.
Suicidal Tendencies were not skate punk pioneers, and it's debatable if they were a true skate punk band. The pioneers of skate punk were The Big Boys and JFA. Thus, Suicidal Tendencies should be removed from this sentence and placed in the next sentence that mentions bands that were among the first wave of skate punk bands:
"Bands such as Agression,[12] Drunk Injuns, RKL, Gang Green, NOFX, McRad, The Black Athletes, Tales of Terror, Stalag 13, Hogan's Heroes,[13][14][15] and The Faction were also among the first wave of skate punk bands.[1]"
Thrasher magazine, which is considered the Bible of Skateboarding and is where the term Skate Rock originated included both The Big Boys and JFA in the article August 1983 article "Skate Rock Part 1" (pp.32-36), which was the first time the term Skate Rock (which later became Skate Punk) was used. 
http://www.thrashermagazine.com/images/image/Features/2009/1983_mag/8303/8303%20800t/8303p32-33crop800.jpg
http://www.thrashermagazine.com/images/image/Features/2009/1983_mag/8303/8303%20800t/8303p34-35crop800.jpg
http://www.thrashermagazine.com/images/image/Features/2009/1983_mag/8303/8303%20800t/8303p36-37crop800.jpg
Suicidal Tendencies was not mentioned in this article and indeed did not appear in the magazine until May 1987.
http://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/magazine/may-1987/
Thus, although some people may consider them to be among the first wave of skate punk bands, there is no evidence, nor much agreement, that they were skate punk pioneers.
Any questions, please contact Brian Brannon, singer of JFA, at brianjfa@earthlink.net.
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message: im a skater and i dont listen to any of this crap 24.51.217.35 (talk) 11:56, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
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