Talk:Lip sync

message: How correctly does wiki want to spell its titles? I know the oligopoly of software companies thought it would be cute to write the word "sync" on all of our programs, but as far as I can tell, synch is short for synchronize like psych is short for psychology, that is, we don't split the chi sound in half. At least merriam-webster has the preferred spelling to be lip-synch, including both h and hypen. Hate to be a spelling nazi, but it's the title...and I've had this beef since I was 12 when n-sync came out. EDIT: OED has lip-sync. We're at least missing a hyphen.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.133.237.171 (talk) 07:40, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Lip-Synch

message: Computer animation is far from the only type of animation to use lip-sync. The article has ben updated to reflect such. --b. Touch 20:42, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't there a special term for the synching that is done translations of animation? Maybe it's just an anime fan term--I'm not sure. gK ¿? 21:12, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: animation

message: All the accusations of lip-synching by specific performers should be referenced or removed. What we have now is a lot of rumors and guesses (both good and bad guesses). If you can't find a ref to cite to back up the claim—not that there was actual lip-synching, which is usually controversial, but just whether there was a claim of lip-synching—then it should be removed. Everyking 02:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the whole section as none of them has sources. BJTalk 07:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: When watching some TV dramas I've noticed that the actors are lip synching to music in the finale, could someone help put that in. Luckystars 22:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Actors Lip syncing to songs

message: In the lede it states People often get this term mixed up with "lip singing." What is that? there is no article about it and no expalnation of what it is or why someone would confuse the two. Benjiboi 18:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is "Lip singing"? 

message: This section should be broken up with subsections for readability and clarity. Benjiboi 17:38, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lip sync#Lip-synching in music]] section too long 

message: I know the two are error-ridden, but I hope that there is a consensus to merge lip sync error into this article. Maybe if the two are combined, the attention that this article gets will improve the former article. --Kannie | talk 01:46, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm mixed on the proposal and Lip sync error is all of how many days old? Perhaps that concept could be developed a bit better to encompass the technical aspects that would seem inappropriate here and then summarized in this article. Personally I would give TVtech some time, a month maybe?, to flush that article out a bit and provide some external links for those who deal in the issue or wish to learn more. My hunch is this article is attracting more pop culture hits so agree that two articles may make more sense in the long run. Benjiboi 02:36, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll comment here rather than that article for now. It would be quite helpful to introduce more industry related articles and links so anyone interested in that field can learn more even if we provide a short summary. It would be best to expand the article so the general reader can better understand that it impacts their daily life if they ever watch television or related media. Benjiboi 02:38, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: The issue of singers lip syncing their music and the technical lip sync problem experienced in television systems are so diverse that merging everything that comments on one or the other seems unproductive. I personally would like to see the two split into entirely distinct subjects.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TVtech (talk • contribs) 02:12, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll comment here rather than that article for now. It would be quite helpful to introduce more industry related articles and links so anyone interested in that field can learn more even if we provide a short summary. It would be best to expand the article so the general reader can better understand that it impacts their daily life if they ever watch television or related media. Benjiboi 02:38, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal comment 

message: I think that the phrase 'lip synch' should be changed to 'lip sync' (or vice-versa) to keep it tidy and try and get the 'cleanup' banner removed.81.158.160.138 (talk) 21:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ~Kvng (talk) 16:03, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Drag queens?  WHAT?!?!
:Yeah, I was like WTF!, too. I'll remove it since it has nothing to do with the article... Tell me if I'm wrong. Someone963852 (talk) 21:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also 

message: Do singers just mouth the words during the video shoots or do they actually sing the song? TyVulpine (talk) 01:38, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably varies depending on the artiste and situation - actually singing along would probably look more authentic, while miming might be used during dance routines - or if the singer just gets embarrassed in front of the film crew! 92.234.48.114 (talk) 04:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, for a music video, the whole song is pre-recorded in a studio (unless the video contains live footage from a concert), which ensures a high audio quality and more effective filming of the video - you don't have to do several takes for the music (Film studio time being mre expensive than audio studio time) and both artists and crew concentrate on the filming/acting process. -- megA (talk) 15:24, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music video lip syncs? 

message: (Role-playing games:) "Because of the sheer amount of information conveyed through the game, the majority of communication is done through the use of scrolling text."This looks very outdated. I can only name the Dragon Age and Mass Effect series right now, where there is no scrolling text at all, instead full lip sync for cutscenes as well as for in-game comments (even one-liners and taunts) by the characters. I think that's the norm nowadays, except for "simplified" systems, which I don't know enough about...
"New RPGs, however, usually use some degree of voice overs. These games are typically for computers or modern console systems and include such games as Mass Effect and The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. In these full voice over games, lip sync is crucial."Voice over means a person off-screen is talking or doing a narration. (non-diegetic text) You don't need lip sync for voice-overs. 
It should also be noted that modern game engines support auto-generated and localized lip-syncing, which means that lip movements are automatically created by the engine and change according to language spoken.
Correct me if I'm wrong... -- megA (talk) 15:21, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some gripes with the RPG section 

message: The article uses both "lip-syncing" and "lip-synching" spellings. Although both are acceptable it might make sense to unify the spelling within the same article. Longdehua (talk) 11:40, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: I propose that Lip-synching in music be merged into Lip sync. Seems like a duplication to me. SergeWoodzing (talk) 06:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing wrong with your merger proposal, but a help tag doesn't belong here. Primefac (talk) 20:26, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I do  not understand your objection to my use of the help tag in this context. I think I asked a question about using Wikipedia. Here's one more: how do we use Wikipedia when there has been no objection to a merger proposal for several months? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:34, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many overlapping sections that need to be merged. Even here, most of the Lip sync article is about musis. So I don't understand the logic of creating  a separate "Lip sync in music" page. werldwayd (talk) 23:31, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. That's my point exactly. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:45, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

text: It is, but your original usage was incorrect. Asking "what happens when there's no objection" is different. If there has been no dissent, then merge away. Primefac (talk) 14:12, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! Started this now and then had to run due to emergency. Hope to be back to clean it up soon. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: This dispute (which you can read directly above) concerns whether an image of an incident involving American singer Beyoncé should feature in the lead of the lip sync article. The incident is the singer's live performance of the American national anthem during the second inaugration of President Obama. News organisations reported that the singer lip synced her performance; she later clarified in a press conference that she sung with a pre-recorded track.
;Discussion
As I've explained above, I think lip syncing and singing with a pre-recorded track are sufficiently different practices within the music industry. This article, which concerns the former, is where a singer does not sing, but pretends to sing to give the effect of singing. I looked at some dictionary definitions which state it is to "move the lips silently in synchronization with a pre-recorded soundtrack (Oxford)"; "to pretend to sing or say in synchronization with recorded sound (Merriam Webster)" or "pretend to be singing them when in fact they are just moving their lips (Cambridge)". At a press conference, Beyoncé was pressed to confirm to a CBS reporter whether she sung: "FUTTERMAN (CBS): "So, you actually were singing and the prerecorded track was being played, as well?" BEYONCE: "Yes." This is the practice of using a backing track: "an audio or MIDI recording that musicians play or sing along to in order to add parts to their music which would be impractical to perform live."
The key distinction here is whether someone is singing. I think it's clear from the dictionary definitions (and even other sources) that lip syncing is a clearly-defined practice, one where someone pretends to sing and not where someone actually is singing (albeit, accompanied in this incident). I don't think we should be using a picture of an incident in the lead of an article that does not actually represent what it seeks to describe. The lead of an article is arguably meant to be an article's most accessible part: where we set out exactly what something is. I don't think it's best to be using misleading examples, especially when the incident referred to in the image is not mentioned at any point in the article. Best, —JennKR | ☎ 20:21, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC: Image in the lip syncing article 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The title is lip sync yet the article most often spells it "lip synching" Enigmamsg 19:13, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'h' is normally added to a word where a vowel follows the 'c' and otherwise not. Thus lip synch on its own is not really correct and is liable to me mispronounced. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:47, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling