Talk:2005 University of Oklahoma bombing

message: I began this page as a way to collect the information I was seeing in several different locations into one coherent thought. I began Sunday afternoon (central time) and about 3 PM learned that the man who detonated the bomb was someone I knew. I now collect information as a personal tribute of sorts. Please feel free to edit as you will -- Redshield3 05:36, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Condolences.  Had to pass the spot on campus today - it was strange, sad.  Guettarda 06:03, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
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Tried To Buy Ammonium Nitrate
POSTED: 5:16 pm CDT October 4, 2005
UPDATED: 6:10 pm CDT October 4, 2005
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "NORMAN, Okla. -- The general manager of a Norman feed store said Tuesday that Joel Henry Hinrichs III had inquired about purchasing a significant amount of ammonium nitrate, the primary ingredient used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.
Dustin Ellison, the general manager of Ellison Feed & Seed on Porter Avenue, said that a man matching Hinrichs' description had come into the store days before he blew himself up on OU's campus. Ellison said the man asked about ammonium nitrate, but couldn't offer a reason why he needed it."
Father Says OU Bomber Wasn't Politically Motivated
More explosives were found in his apartment - was angry, depressed
"Swann said suicide attempts are often impulsive, but it is apparent from the cache of explosives authorities found at Hinrichs’ apartment that his actions, whether suicidal or not, were premeditated."
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Could we change Hinrichs' picture to a more recent and clear photograph? Here is one courtesy of the Colorado Springs Gazette. Joel Henry HINRICHS III Usedbook 07:41, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
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message: I strongly suspect that the bombing was the act of a  wannabe terrorist, but a few recent edits have  been a bit biased in this regard.  I don't think it is acceptable to cite claims that someone spoke off the record when there is an on the record denial.  I don't think Wikipedia should be reporting rumors (other than the sense of saying that rumors exist).  For one thing, we don't don't have any evidence that any knowledgable FBI person actually made this claims "off the record."  Indeed look at the cited article makes me extremely skeptical: "Speaking strictly 'off the record,' the officials stated that they recovered 'a significant amount' of Islamic 'Jihad' type literature, some possibly written in Arabic, along with the suspect's computer. Some of the documentation included material on how to construct bomb-making vests."  Possibly written in Arabic?!?  The FBI can very quickly learn if it is really in Arabic.  And if they don't know if it is in Arabic then they clearly cannot read the literature.  And in that case how did they know it is Jihadist literature?  And that Arabic literature would not be too surprising given that the guy did have a Moslem roommate.  All of this should be sending alarm bells that the source might not be credible.  I will have to consider either reverting or putting in a dispute tag if this is not fixed in the next few days. MichaelSH 05:29, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks to those who made the edits.  It is much better now.  I added a brief quote of "possibly written in Arabic" since it is what they alleging source says it will let the reader judge the crediblity of the source. MichaelSH 06:28, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "off the record"

message: "However this matter escalated past speculation when the police and federal agents in charge of the investigation handcuffed and held at gunpoint an Oklahoma University instructor from Egypt along with various others of foreign descent."
Is there any evidence/a cite for that?  Both of my parents are professors at OU and they hadn't heard about that.  The predominant sentiment here appears to be that the bombing was not part of a greater "jihadist" plan involving blowing up the stadium.  There are much less sinister explainations.
:You are quite right.  That statement is amost certainly false.  And it has not cite to support it.  I have edited it out.  MichaelSH 01:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: I am going to delete the following reference: Bomb expert: Simple suicide unlikely at stadium explosion Analysis suggests Oklahoma student meant to explode among 80,000 fans.  1) It makes claims that are clearly false like repeating the old rumor that Jihadist materials were found in Hinrichs' appartment.  Officials have denied that as documented in the article.  2) WorldNetDaily is simply not a credible reference in any event.  Ironicaly I actually agree with the article's conclusion that the Hinrich had intended to kill other people.  I would be happy if someone can suggest a credible reference supporting the idea that Hinrich was a wannabe terrorist.  MichaelSH 02:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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message: I have removed the two "citation needed" put in by 69.71.166.93. Where (s)he put them in can be seen by looking at this comparison.  The first one was that rumors circulated that Jihadist materials had found in Hinrichs' appartment is fairly trivial.  Examining the many links the article provides makes that clear including the next footnote. Many examples can be found by simple internet searches.  I can also state that as someone who lives within a few miles of where Hinrichs died, that those rumors did circulate.  The second "citation needed" was for what Tom Cole said.  That surprised me since I originally edited that in and provided a reference.  I compared before and after my edit and it is clear that the Dallas Morning News article was the source I used.  I did not repeat that reference with each and every sentence and after nearly a year of edits it was not absolutely that it was the source. MichaelSH 21:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Citation needed"

message: I should point out that there's a very odd definition of "terrorist" in this article. When some right-leaning bloggers accused him of being Muslim, he was under suspicion of being a "terrorist." When the Islam tie was more or less disproven, he was "not a terrorist." Excuse me, but I think suicide bombing could be considered terrorism, regardless of the religion of the perpretrator. 69.113.86.25 (talk) 06:55, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because McVeigh's suicide also resulted in the deaths of 168 others while Hinrichs only resulted in his own. There is no evidence he targeted others.—NMajdan•talk 13:21, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
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