Talk:Siege of Szigetvár

message: The article is about 3,500 words long
Intro - 400 words  (12%)
Background = 820 (23%) 
Campaign of 1566 = 1,800 (51%) words, of this, the siege is 1,200 (34%) words
Legacy is 520 (15%) 
The siege of Szigetvar is far far richer than what is presented in this article.  Though the article is large, only 1/3 of the article is about the siege.  I would recommend shrinking the intro and background sections and adding more detail to the siege.  The long intro is repetitive with the rest of the article. Most of the background should be in a separate article about the "Little War". 
By adding more details to the siege, then the human drama and the valour of the defenders can be better illustrated.  This will also improve the flow of storytelling because as the story is now, it is rather dull.  I assume that the basics of storytelling are not forbidden on Wikipedia. This article truly needs better storytelling.
For example, the siege can be broken down into phases: the fall of New Town, the fall of Old Town, the fall of the Outer Citadel (fortress) and the fall of the Inner Citadel (final battle).  During each phase there are very interesting events.  Sadly most modern tales of the siege ignore the wealth of interesting details.
So, I wonder, with such a large swarm of editors working on this article, why is the article not better?  Or maybe the swarm of editors is the problem.
NikolaZrinski (talk) 01:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structure of the article 

message: I  placed in this talk section a treasure trove of information about Nikola Zrinski and the Siege of Szigetvar.  The data was from old books that I translated to English.  Miki Filigranski deleted it (like he deletes almost everything I post) calling it a "Wall of text".  
If this is not the right place to contribute, then where is the right place to post it?  It would have been nice if he had moved it to the appropriate place but he merely deleted it.  I know that there is a requirement for "good faith" but it does not feel like I am the recipient of good faith from  Miki Filigranski.  
A valuable resource is a biography of Nikola IV Zrinski by Matija Mesic.  The biography is in Croatian.
I have posted a part of the book here for easier translation.
https://koszeg1532.blogspot.com/2023/09/zivot-nikole-zrinjskoga-sigetskoga.html NikolaZrinski (talk) 00:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not the purpose of the talk page. Maybe Wikiquote, but the source is outdated and not needed. Please slow down on commenting or editing before reading and understanding how editing is done on Wikipedia and gain experience on articles with stub or start level. You're dealing with high quality rated article. Your edits are not constructive here. Sorry, but there's no bad faith by any editor here for reverting your edits or not accepting your advices. --Miki Filigranski (talk) 00:15, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where can I put a lot of information that is useful for this article? 

message: Article cites sources from the 19th century, and the ref format has grown inconsistent since promotion more than a decade ago. Also, per above, the siege is only a small portion of the article text. The 2019 book specifically about the siege, which should be accessible to TWL users, could be helpful on expanding the content about the article topic. (t · c) buidhe 03:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  GAR needed?