Talk:Buffy Sainte-Marie

message: Not a pressing issue but on an article about a US Citizen who is not a Canadian citizen on the talk page it says that the article uses Canadian English. Noted when my revert of a bunch of changes to Canadian english got reverted. North8000 (talk) 20:46, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no Canadian English tag on the article; it now has an American English tag. Skyerise (talk) 21:22, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been a Canadian English tag here since March of 2010, and the article has been using Canadian English since its creation. Per WP:RETAIN, consistent usage has already been established for over a decade. Regardless of citizenship, she will has national ties to Canada, and the English variety already used is correct. WP:RETAIN also states “An article should not be edited or renamed simply to switch from one variety of English to another.” Especially when the English variety used has ready been well established. 2605:B100:324:E730:99CA:E2F3:8D51:B1D8 (talk) 22:35, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It can be changed by consensus. So far the consensus here is for American English. Skyerise (talk) 22:36, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

text: There is no consensus to change thus far. One editor is not “consensus”. “Consensus” does not happen in 30 minutes. 2605:B100:324:E730:99CA:E2F3:8D51:B1D8 (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Agree " US English is the obvious logical choice." Moxy- 15:27, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

text: US English is what's best here.  WP:RETAIN says we should generally keep a particular style *if* "there is no valid reason for changing from one acceptable option to another".  When she was thought to be American+Canadian, there was no valid reason to switch between styles, as both styles were equally valid.  Now, there's a clear and obvious reason to switch to US, as she's only American, and not Canadian.  WP:RETAIN exists in part to stop endless edit wars on countless articles, where different styles could be equally justified, and editors want to impose their own style on an articles.  Nobody is imposing their own style here, but rather, we're just asking to use the style of the country of the subject.  --Rob (talk) 03:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Canadian English?

message: We are continuing to use sources that are clearly discredited.  The PBS page for the "Carry It On" (so-called) documentary is an example of this, that is used in the second sentence of the current lead.  The page references her repeatedly as indigenous and how speaking out as an indigenous person harmed her career.  It's been reliably sourced that she's not indigenous, and her claims of being indigenous helped (and didn't hurt) her career.  I didn't remove the sentence from the lead, as I know I would just be reverted.  But, if it must be kept, lets do it with a source that actually checks its facts, and doesn't just repeat whatever the subject says of themself.  --Rob (talk) 02:36, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The source and the sentence are two different questions.   The lead should be a summary of the article and typically does not need sources.  Also, I don't think that the veracity of that sentence is in question. I'll take the source off.  Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 14:09, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's not use debunked sources 

message: Britannica still retains Canadian-origin position, despite a recent update of the entry.
The Canadian Encyclopedia has adopted the current consensus. JohndanR (talk) 15:30, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Britannica and Canadian Encyclopedia articles  

message: I've been trying to find a reference for the Billboard Best New Artist award. There has been an inconclusive discussion on this topic before (see Archive 3). Buffy's website currently says "1964 – Billboard Magazine’s Best New Artist". I've tried my best hunting around Google search and the only thing I've found related to this topic is a scan of Billboard from March 27th 1965. On page 65 under Singles Reviews it says "Buffy Sainte-Marie-Until It's Time For You To Go. Warm delivery of class material from the gal voted as 'No.1 Folk Singer' in Billboard's 1964-1965 DJ Poll". This seems a very plausible contender for the Billboard award which over time has become misstated. I haven't been able to find any other sources for Billboard awards for 1964 or 1965, but maybe they're out there? Anyone know how to find that? Seaweed (talk) 16:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billboard "Best New Artist 1964"