Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Archive 2

message: If I want to create a template or a category, should I submit it here? --68.74.116.159 01:00, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creating a template 

message: When an unregistered user clicks on a link for a non-existent article such as Kansas State Library,  you get this, which as of this writing, does not mention Kansas State Library anywhere.  For various reasons, including having the "What links here" make more sense, I'd like to request that the "Article not found" text be updated to include the name of the article that the unregistered user is unable to create.  Thanks.  64.151.27.183 01:17, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm, it does! IT says "Editing (Name)" and "Wikipedia does not yet have an article about Name". That's 2 places. The Land 17:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's only when you're a logged-in user. The message given to anon users indeed doesn't repeat the name of the nonexisten article in question. Log out and try it. CDC (talk) 01:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for minor enhancement 

message: As several editors have already noted above, AFC has become so long that it is unmanageable.  Building upon God_of_War's work above, AFC now has daily pages.  All new submissions are directed to Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Today.  Every day User:Uncle G's 'bot will rename Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Today to another name (listed in Wikipedia:Articles for creation/List), and then blank the redirect to create a fresh page for today.  This at least will chop the submissions up into lumps of manageable size, that don't take minutes to render.  There still remains the question of how to archive processed and rejected submissions.  Uncle G 09:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah: thanks. For some reason I couldn't get that to work yesterday. goes away puzzled. Tearlach 20:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daily pages 

message: I've been out of the loop for a bit – does the article-creation restriction now apply to really new registered users as well? android79 15:53, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not as far as I can tell from some quick research. The newest 4% are blocked from editing semi-protected articles, but I can't find anything that says that they cannot create new articles. --GraemeL (talk) 16:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I saw some redlinked usernames making requests, and was wondering if a change was made... just people not reading the instructions again. android79 16:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really new users? 

message: Is there any way we could get the template to sign entries automatically? - Mgm|(talk) 11:08, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automatic signing 

message: Is there any way of stopping people from adding stub templates to the articles until they're actually made? Wikipedia:Articles for creation keeps on appearing in all sorts of different stub catagories. BL kiss the lizard 22:21, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stubbing

message: Not sure if it's just me, but Wikipedia:Articles for creation's Today's submissions and Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Today seem stuck on a redirect to Wikipedia:Articles for creation/2006-01-15. Where are all these submissions? Tearlach 13:58, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect problem

message: Looks like User:Upload found a way to get  to sign automatically but it needs some admin attention right now. Also if it's used, us non-admins won't be able to edit the template directly, so it should be protected. Kappa 17:35, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For any Administrators wanting to help, I have posted instructions (below) on how to get this automatic signing feature working. Upload 12:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automatic signing 

message: Below are what needs to be done, in order to get the automatic signing feature working:
# Make sure the contents of the template Template:AFC preload/~~ is exactly the following: (two characters only, without newline)
#: ~~
# Delete the template Template:AFC preload/~~
# Edit the template Template:AFC preload, do the following:
## Append the following line to the template:
##* This is where the signature will be (automatically) placed, because it will (soon, in postings preloaded from these templates) be replaced with signature characters ~~~~ (see below for details)
##* The following s won't be substituted with the contents of the referred template Template:AFC preload/~~ after saving because the referred template is non-existent (was deleted in step 2). They will be saved as-is, instead.
##: 
## Edit the line above the (just-added) last line, to make it read:
##: 
## This should make the last two lines of the template read:
##: 
## Save the template
# Undelete the template Template:AFC preload/~~ (which was deleted in step 2)
#* After the template had been restored, in every posting generated by (preloaded from) the template Template:AFC preload, the  syntax would be substituted with the contents of the template Template:AFC preload/~~ (because the referred template existed), which will sign the postings automatically
#* Specifically, in every posting preloaded from the template, the following text in the posting:
#:: 
#: will be substituted with the following, which will sign the postings automatically:
#:: ~~~~
#  Protect the template Template:AFC preload, and Protect the template Template:AFC preload/~~If the template Template:AFC preload is edited and re-saved, the automatic signing feature would break, because the  syntax in the template is substituted with the referred template (which will turn into editor's signature) permanently.In order to fix the template, the template should be rollbacked to the correct revision (save-an-old-revision kind of revert simply won't work), or these steps should be carried again (both, unfortunately, required Administrator intervention).
Upload 12:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detailed Instructions 

message: What about non-published sources?  I have what is essentially a log book that my father kept when he was a sailor on a ship in the South Pacific.  It is a source; but it has not been published, either in hard copy or on the web.  The ship he was on currently does not have an article, so I would have to start one.
The page to request a new article asks for PUBLISHED sources.  I have a source, but it is non-published.  How do I reference a non-published source to start an article?  Will you allow me to start an article with a non-published source?
*To content of any Wikipedia articles should be verifiable by any Wikipedian who cares to check. If the ship you're talking about belongs to the Navy if some nation, that particular organization should also have records of its existence. - Mgm|(talk) 10:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-published sources? 

message: Okay, I tried to follow the directions in the main article, and hoped I was doing it right, but it looks like something went amiss.  I wanted to propose a new category.  It would be called Category:Seafaring films, soon to be populated with lots of movies about seafaring, as quickly as I'd find them, I'd go ahead and add them in.  But by following the instructions, it appears that the "Articles for creation" now belongs to the C.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.177.27.22 (talk • contribs) .
:You make a very valid point.  Due to the very nature of the MediaWiki software, we have often encountered category-related problems here.  I'm afraid there's no easy technical solution.   However, there are two workarounds:
:# You can use the  template.  In your case, you could use .
:# The requests here are always looked at by real people and not bots.  This means that so long as you can express what it is that you are asking for in the AFC proposal, we can accommodate the request.   
:I hope this helps.  (P.S.  I created  for you too.)  -- ShinmaWa(talk) 09:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * And correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't need to register to create new categories as that's done by editing individual articles. I guess maybe you can't give the redlink category a parent, but it's still "there" in some sense, just waiting to be cleaned up. --Dystopos 01:33, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creating new Categories jams this thing 

message: Can somebody please remove Isara from the request list? I've just created the article; but can't find the requested articles in the archive -- it was requested 2-4 weeks ago; i'm really n ot sure, and unsure how to find it and remove it.
:I wouldn't worry about it.   Requests that old are unlikely to be fulfilled and there's no risk of an article being created twice.  However, thank you for your contribution.   -- ShinmaWa(talk) 02:30, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been trudging through the backlog (I'm almost through December 2005, although at my average rate of a day's worth of processing every few days, I'll fall farther and farther behind). Anyway, when I get to Isara I'll be able to tell if Wikipedia needs an article on that subject or not. --Dystopos 01:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Remove Isara 

message: This mesage apears on top of ever archived page, and well the phrase doesn't really work in the english language (no offence to the creator) I suggest we change it. Deathawk 00:26, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To...?  -- ShinmaWa(talk) 00:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please now follow the link back to Wikipedia:Articles for creation. 

message: looks like someone removed the note about stubsfrom the page. please can you make sure that stub templates dont keep cropping up on this page - thanx again :) BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 06:59, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was the one that removed it. The message says Please do not label it as a stub (an appropriate stub template will be added when the article is created, if necessary), but is in the section called "Fulfilling Requests".  You're right that we don't want stub templates included on this page (i.e. WP:AFC/Today), but that block of instructions is for the people that are actually creating the articles, and those are the people that should be including a stub templates whenever appropriate.  If you want to address the AFC submitters, then the instruction needs to go at the top of the page or in Template:AFC preload. ×Meegs 07:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: stubbing 2

message: Today, two users mistakingly added their article requests to the AFC page rather than use the addcomment link on the page.   One of those users did it by blanking the entire page.   I'm quite positive that these were NOT intentional acts of vandalism, but rather new users who are unfamiliar with the system making honest mistakes.   The problem is that the issue wasn't fixed for over 4 hours -- and it's not the first time this has happened.  This reflects poorly on Wikipedia and leaves a bad first-impression on new users.  Given all this, perhaps semi-protection is in order in this case.   
I'll grant you that WP:SPP states quite clearly that it "is not intended for pre-emptive protection of articles that might get vandalized.". However, I'm thinking that this is also a good WP:IAR candidate as well.  The intention of semi-protecting AFC is not to prevent anonymous users from participating, but to ensure that new users can participate.  For 4 hours today, during the Western Hemisphere's "prime time", anonymous users couldn't use AFC at all.   -- ShinmaWa(talk) 06:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it's a serious problem, presenting newbies who click to submit an article with a blank page or one with garbage inserted at the top.  I've reverted one of each in the last week too.  I'm quite warm to this idea. The page (AFC/Today) averages more than two submissions an hour and who knows how many more visitors, so even a few minutes blanked is too long. ×Meegs 11:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, I'm mopless.  Perhaps someone with the proper set of overalls could smile upon us on this?  -- ShinmaWa(talk) 22:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was just blanked again, though Tawker caught during the next minute.  I expect there might be some controversy over your plan, so maybe you (or we) should propose it over at Wikipedia talk:Semi-protection policy. ×Meegs 00:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a bad idea at all.   I'll do exactly that.  -- ShinmaWa(talk) 05:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd actually guess that it's the templates and transclusions that are causing the confusion.  I think people come to WP:AFC, see other people's submissions on the page (they're actually on WP:AFC/Today), click edit this page, fail to find the place for submissions, and finally get confused and blank the page.  If the edit this page link they're accustomed to using on other articles were gone, then they'd look around, read the directions, and click on the big Click here to submit your proposal link. That link is also the only way they get to see Template:AFC preload which gives them even more instructions. ×Meegs 14:19, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protect? 

message: Looking at how the page source is organized, it looks loke there are several things that could be done that might help as much as the proposed semi-protection.  The first thing is to move the header/instructions into a template similiar to Template:PR-instructions or Template:FAC-instructions.  This would move information that should be fairly static out of the line of fire and make it easy to watchlist the template to see if any changes occur.  The second thing that should probably be done is to move the Today's submissions and Older submissions headers into the transcluded pages instead of having them in the top level page.  This would change the behaviour of the [edit] tag associated with the header to cause an edit to be of the transcluded file instead of the top level file.  As this problem appears to be caused by newbies, removing this point of confusion should reduce the frequency of problems. --Allen3 talk 13:09, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd actually guess that it's the templates and transclusions that are causing the confusion.  I think people come to WP:AFC, see other people's submissions on the page (they're actually on WP:AFC/Today), click edit this page, fail to find the place for submissions, and finally get confused and blank the page.  If the edit this page link they're accustomed to using on other articles were gone, then they'd look around, read the directions, and click on the big Click here to submit your proposal link. That link is also the only way they get to see Template:AFC preload which gives them even more instructions. ×Meegs 14:19, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Would a rework of the page do a better job that semi-protection?

message: I have been convinced by Meegs' arguement above that semi-protection is worth a trial to see if it will help resolve the problems.  As the purpose is to force anons and new users to use the link provided on the page instead of preventing vandalism, the usual  template has not been placed on the page.  If another admin objects to this decision, please feel free to reverse the protection. --Allen3 talk 14:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page semi-protected

message: We may be on our own with the archiving for a while; Uncle G's 'bot hasn't edited in more than a week, and Uncle G hasn't in four.  Is there another bot around that we could ask to help? ×Meegs 05:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure of any but maybe you could approach an admin about this? --Siva1979Talk to me 20:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving 

message: I've added a note to the instructions of this page about stub templates. It is thoroughly irritating to have to keep removing stub templates from proposals on these pages. I see from looking through this talk page that I'm not the only one whose regularly needed to delete them - I've added it in the instructions template, which is hopefully a better place to where BL Lacertae added them. It's fine to just add plain  once they're created, they'll be sorted soon enough (though if you want to add more precise templates, no-one at WP:WSS will object :) Grutness...wha? 01:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And now I've added it again because someone removed it and a large number of "not-yet-articles" turned up in . Please... Grutness...wha? 02:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub templates

message: Given Uncle G's bot is taking a wiki-vacation, I'm in the process of building my own bot.  It will run on my dedicated server on a cron job.   I'm starting to build it now and when its closer to completion, I'll make the official bot request for it on WP:BOT.    Also planned is a utility to take care of stub templates and categories on here as well.   -- ShinmaWa(talk) 19:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, thanks! The first task is far more important, but the second could also neutralize interwiki links (it:article → :it:article).  If it's going to run hourly, or at some similar interval, I can think of a few other things it could automate too. ×Meegs 00:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lay 'em on me!  Since I'm making the bot request, we might as well make the request as broad as we can.  Drop your ideas on User_talk:ShinmaBot.  -- ShinmaWa(talk) 01:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New 'bot in the works 

message: Failing to give an article title makes the article appear under the same section as the previous article. For example, see "Homer Spit" (or whatever it was) on today's listing. It includes three separate articles. Because the newbies only understand even a very basic instruction if it's written in 72-point flashing bright red in ALL CAPS, should one like this be put on the main AfC page to remind them to actually type a title? JIP | Talk 15:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I fix a bunch of those every day, along with the related problem of people using == or = level headlines (or html equivalents) within their submission.  Both are annoying, but easy to overlook, and I worry about giving too many instructions. Could it be clarified further in ? ×Meegs 21:36, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing article title 

message: I worked very hard on my article, Uniforms of La Grande Armee. I shortened it in the submission so that it wouldn't take long to copy and I could edit it and expand it once its created. Could someone please create it. --24.247.126.44 14:29, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I created it.  Please expand it, give it a proper introduction, and avoid self-references. Thanks for the submission. ×Meegs 22:03, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My Article 

message: List of fictional subterranean countries are not included in the list List of fictional countries. So I created this article.
:The list you submitted only has one member more than Fictional countries#Lands inside the Earth.  I would suggest that you keep it as part of the bigger article unless it grows too large. Where it is, the list benefits from that article's introduction, and from its close proximity to the superterranean countries.  ×Meegs 15:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of fictional subterranean countries 

message: There are several articles that were submitted days ago, including a couple of mine, that have not been 'created' yet.  Will someone please get to work on these?
147.240.236.9 22:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please remember that all Wikipedia editors are volunteers, and do not like to be ordered around. If your submission has been so far overlooked, you can either be patient, or you can create an account and start the article yourself.  ×Meegs 04:16, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I've seen, the vast majority of the submissions are clearly not worth creating. Some have too little text, some are blatant vanity or obvious jokes, and some are even copyvios. So the reason an article submitted here is not created is usually that the request was reviewed and declined. I myself only find an article worth creating once per a week or two. JIP | Talk 17:49, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get To Work! 

message: Someone deleted (vandalized) the page and deleted tens of article creation requests - NO ONE noticed!
The only reason I noticed is that my request vanished.
This system i.e. one big page, just doesn't work. There is no way to track which pages were rejected, or anything.
How about creating some sort of sub namespace, where users can actually CREATE the page. Then if approved the page is copied to the main area, and the page marked done.
Or the page can be marked denied, etc. (Presumably by using categories.)
This way each request is by itself and the whole system becomes far more manageable.
You would just look at the category page for uncompleted requests, denied ones, and if you want completed requests.
67.165.96.26 23:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  this system is totally and completly unworkable 

message: I keep submitting articles, but it seems like nobody out there is putting them in.  Get Cracking, and start putting them in, guys!
71.13.81.162 18:05, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I responded to your question two topics up.  We have already created numerous articles from your submissions from the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships.  At this point, I strongly suggest that you create an account and begin to create these articles yourself. ×Meegs 18:49, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get Cracking! 

message: I created a 2 new articles on 29 March 2006 Dinio Garcia and Yotuel Romero but it does not appear in this list, How do i fix this ? Trade2tradewell 11:32, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AfC is a service where registered users create new pages with content submitted by people without accounts.  If these are articles that you started on your own, they should not be listed here; the overwhelming majority of new articles are not. ×Meegs 12:25, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Article does not appear on AfC 

message: As mentioned in earlier topics, we lost the bot that used to archive WP:AFC/Today at the end of February. My attempts at finding a replacement have been unsuccessful; if anyone can provide a bot, or suggest a developer to perform this task, please do.  
Also, though I have been doing the archiving manually, I will not be nearly as reliable in the future and it will be necessary for others to take-over.  The three-step procedure for humans is the same as the one described in the bot request. ×Meegs 06:16, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daily archiving 

message: I have created a set of templates that can be used to respond to requests if users would wish to use them. Any comments anyone could provide would be appreciated. Specifically, I'm looking for any comments on how to improve current templates, and any suggestions on titles/contents of other templates that haven't been created yet. We could move them to Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Response Templates if enough users agree with them. Any comments anyone? --Darth Deskana (talk page) 22:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Babies grow up. :) - 131.211.210.12 11:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfC Templates 

message: Sorry for putting this request here.  I read Help: Starting a New Page which says "Anyone, including you, can write for Wikipedia! Just type a title in the box below, click "Create page", and start writing" and "'Create page' takes you to an edit page to enter the new text" and under "Starting a page through the URL" it says "Using the URL for the new page displays the default 'no article' message (see MediaWiki:Noarticletext). The default page has the usual Edit this page link, which can be used to begin adding content" but it did not.  After typing in the title of thearticle I was atempting to create it went to an "Article not found" page which says "As an unregistered user, you may also submit the content that you wish to have created".  So I clicked the "edit this page" tab but the identical page just comes up again.  So clicking the "submit the content" link I went to "Wikipedia:Articles for creation" where it says "To request the creation of an article with text you wrote, post it here" but I see no way to do this.  Wow what a loop!
So anyway the page (or just a stub to start) I was requesting the creation of was on the "National Cattlemen's Beef Association" .  I was going to include this quotation from said association (it appears at the bottom of every page of the site) "NCBA... working to increase profit opportunities for cattle and beef producers by enhancing the business climate and building consumer demand" which I find quite telling - especially the "working to increase profit opportunities for cattle and beef producers" and "building consumer demand" part.
:Please sign your messages. Thank You! --Siva1979Talk to me 20:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Carefully read the left-hand side of the blue instructions box, titled "Submitting an article".  At the bottom, there is a link "Click here to submit your entry". ×Meegs 11:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page use problem

message: Please be on the lookout for page blanking of WP:AFC/Today.  The way to spot it is by routinely checking for the line
:Please now follow the link back to Wikipedia:Articles for creation.
at the top of the page.  It tends to happen about 3 times a week, but can be quite difficult to restore if it happens multiple times in one day.  
I'd also personally like to ask for others to help in archiving the page.  Ideally it should be done daily, shortly after 0000 UTC.  When it is not done, the page becomes less accessible to the submitters, and it becomes harder to fix problems, such as blanking. ×Meegs 11:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you considered letting a bot perform the daily blanking/archiving?  As this task involves nothing more than moving the current file to a new location and then placing an appropriate header line in the new days archive it appears to be a good task for a bot to perform. I believe Crypticbot is willing to accept additional pages to archive. --Allen3 talk 12:59, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, in fact the task was originally performed by User:Uncle G's 'bot.  Since it stopped, I've posted a bot request and asked several bot developers for help, but have not found any volunteers.  Crypticbot was my first thought too, but User:Cryptic has not edited in over a month. ×Meegs 14:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The time of day does not matter.  If you ever see that the page hasn't been archived for 24 hours, don't think twice, archive!  I'll rework the bot instructions for a human and post them here shortly. ×Meegs 10:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking, you could try and enlist User:Mathbot to do the archiving. Mathbot seems to be a reliable little multi-purpose bot! Thanks for the instructions! --Darth Deskana (talk page) 20:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page blanking

message: Below is the three step procedure for archiving WP:AFC/Today.   Archiving can be done at any time of day, but only once per UTC calendar date.
#Move Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Today to Wikipedia:Articles for creation/YYYY-MM-DD. Use the UTC date at the time of the archival.  Move only the article, not the talk page.
#Edit Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Today and replace the redirect with a generic header like this one.
#Edit Wikipedia:Articles for creation/List and add the day's archive to the top of the list.
×Meegs 10:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving instructions

message: What happened to the Articles for Creation for May 2, 5, 7, and 8?  They are missing.  Probably some others also.
147.240.236.9 22:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  May 2 and 5 

message: It seems that during an edit, 21:09 hrs 7 May 2006, that 66.31.238.200 erased many entries that were submitted, including some of mine, while editing an article. Whoever submitted entries between May 5 and May 9 needs to check to see if they have been created.
68.61.35.13 19:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Submissions 

message: Is this page still active?  While there is certainly a large number of submissions that deserve to be ignored, a quick scan finds that there are also multiple submissions that deserve to be created.  Are no new articles being created because people are having problems finding the signal hidden by all the noise or has this page reached the point where it has been completely abandoned by those empowered to fulfill requests? --208.100.200.35 12:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the page is still active, though it is understaffed.  You're probably right too: the overwhelming proportion of low-quality submissions is probably the reason that few Wikipedians volunteer for this work.  Remember, all you need to do to create articles is register an account. Once registered, users can not only create articles with their own content, but they can help-out here by creating articles on behalf of others. ×Meegs 08:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Still active?

message: Could someone who knows how the system works look at Apple Valley High School? Today someone moved Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Today there. I'm not sure which entries belong where. Tearlach 15:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All set now. It wasn't vandalism (i.e. malicious), but it sure did make a mess. The page move left a redirect in its place, causing all of the subsequent submissions (below the #REDIRECT) to not be rendered, no-doubt confusing the hell out of the submitters.  What we now have are Wikipedia:Articles for creation/2006-06-02-early, the entries that were moved, and Wikipedia:Articles for creation/2006-06-02, the entries made in the last two and a half hours before archiving, that were previously invisible. ×Meegs 16:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, I don't think greater move protection is a good idea, less we want to limit archival to administrators and administrator bots. I guess this is just one more thing to keep an eye out for. ×Meegs 17:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalistic move

message: I think the article about Jon Lassonde is highly unexceptable! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.203.208.86 (talk • contribs) 2006 June 2 32:10 UTC.
:I have removed it. ×Meegs 23:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inappropriate submission

message: Are we supposed to be listing every article we create pursuant to an AFC request in that little list of created articles? That's kind of annoying if so. --maru   (talk)  contribs 17:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of created articles 

message: Draconids (that doesn´t exist but appears as a link) must be redirected to Giacobinids. --80.103.117.190 12:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Marudubshinki has created the redirect. Thanks ×Meegs 19:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirection 

message: Is there some way that a "Declined because subject is not suitable for Wikipedia" template could be made? Many of the suggestions that are being submitted are just utter nonsense and this would speed up the process greatly. I would make one myself, but I am not sure of how to do it. Thank you. --LynnMarie 18:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we have , as well as a bunch of more specific ones listed Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Templates.  It's not too important to respond to the really bad submissions, though, because their authors will likely not return to see our response.  In fact, it's generally best to just remove all trace of the truly absurd submissions along with the jokes, personal messages, and attacks. ×Meegs 19:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not suitable for Wikipedia template 

message: I can help out with the backlog here, but where to start? Is it better to go through the older archives forst, or go for today's entries? -- Kevin 10:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great!  I'd suggest starting with the newest of the archives or /Today.  Particularly in the archives though, it is much less important to respond to the inadequate entries than it is to find good ones, since few submitters will revisit their submissions once they're off the main page. Good luck.×Meegs 13:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where to start 

message: For the  and  tags to work __TOC__ neds to go into the top of todays page, otherwise the first entry includes the table of contents in it's shaded area. I'm not sure how to do that other than manually adding it each day. Does someone know how to do this? Kevin 21:46, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will ask our bot operator, User:Jitse Niesen, to subst: Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Daily header at the top of each new day's page.  That way we can edit the header without changing the bot's code. ×Meegs 04:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving

message: I've started a discussion on the Articles for Deletion talk page, asking what AfC reviewers should do when faced with a request for an AfD page to be created. If you have an interest in how those requests should be handled, I'd encourage you to participate in that discussion. Kickaha Ota 17:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfDs by anonymous users -- what should AfC reviewers do? 

message: The new templates really speed things up.  But there still seems to me to be a problem: When I can't make up my mind whether an article is appropriate, I usually just skip it. (And looking at other editors' patterns, this seems to be a common reaction.) The  and  templates make it easier to pick out the unprocessed ones, but it still seems pretty easy for an unprocessed article to get visually lost in a crowd of processed ones.  So I've experimentally created an  template, which displays an alert box in the article.  displays this:
	Attention, reviewers: A previous reviewer could not decide whether this article is appropriate for creation.
Please review the article carefully and, if possible, render a decision on it. If you do render a decision, please remove this tag.
The parameter is optional; if you omit it, the "reason" line gets omitted from the infobox.
So reviewers looking for problem articles left by previous reviewers could either scroll down the page and look for the alert boxes, or just do a quick browser search for "Attention, reviewers".
Naturally, comments, enhancements, and patient "This will never work" explanations are welcome. Kickaha Ota 02:15, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure it's necessary, but let's give it a spin. I just changed-around the use of italics, so let me know what you think. It is a really nice design. ×Meegs 04:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the look. A potential functionality enhancement: What if the template also included the page in a "Article creation requests needing attention" category? Currently, an editor has to page through the whole archive if he or she wants to find old requests that weren't handled. So any request that isn't resolved within a few days of its creation is probably going to fall through the cracks. Putting the archive pages containing problem requests into a category could lead editors right to the appropriate archive pages; and once all the "afc maybe" tags had been handled and removed, the archive page would automatically disappear from the category. Or would this be an inappropriate self-referential category? Kickaha Ota 17:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is already Whatlinkshere, though it will not work if someone accidentally substitutes the template. ×Meegs 01:22, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, people look subst'ing the template. I may get slapped down for self-referencing, but I've now added a category to the AfC template code, so that pages containing unfulfilled problem requests automatically appear in :Category:Wikipedia article creation requests needing further review.  I believe I've done all the proper technical things for safely using a self-referential category (putting the new category into :Category:Wikipedia article lists, for example); and the template will only get used on pages in the Wikipedia namespace in any case.  But if need be, I'll put things back the other way.  We'll see how it goes. Kickaha Ota 00:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Maybe" template 

message: When a registered user submits an article that's blatantly inappropriate (an advertisement, a personal attack, etc), I would encourage reviewers to decline the article in the normal way, rather than using the  message to tell them that they can create their own articles.  Yes, you're stating the obvious, but a lot of these people wouldn't otherwise bother to learn the obvious. :) This would seem to be a logical application of the WP:BEANS principle -- if someone appears to be trying to damage the encyclopedia, don't educate them as to how to do it better. Kickaha Ota 18:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate articles by registered users 

message: Currently, we've been placing the  marker above the section header in users' articles. This looks nice. However, I'm going to suggest that we instead place it just below the section header, even though it doesn't look as nice there, for two reasons:
*It keeps all the markup related to a submission within that submission's section. Currently, the "afc top" markup winds up in the previous section, making it more confusing to edit or remove the markup later.
*It makes reviewing long pages quite a bit faster.  With the current MediaWiki engine, if you edit a section and place new content above the section header, then when you save your changes, you'll find yourself at the top of the page.  Then you need to scroll back down and find your place.  (You can avoid this by doing all your section edits in a new window, but this is a pain too.)  If you edit a section and leave the section header at the very top of the section, then when you save your changes, you'll be placed back at the section you just edited.  (Note that this only works for sections with unique titles; if you edit, say, a "Sources" section, you'll be placed back at the first "Sources" section in the article when you finish your edit.)
By the way, this is also another reason not to ask users to place their article titles in wikilink brackets; if the section's title contains brackets, the section IDs wind up mangled in such a way that IE and Firefox won't correctly place you back at that section after you finish an edit. Kickaha Ota 18:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed change in placement of afc top 

message: This page is 272 kilobytes long. This may be longer than is preferable; see article size.  We need an archival bot. Freddie Message? 22:45, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Size 

message: Andeh just asked me on my talk page about this edit.  He thinks (I hope I am paraphrasing correctly) that we should decline all submissions from registered users, and points-out a new reply template, , that exists for just this purpose.  I presume the template's creators agree, but I do not.
Well over ninety percent of what comes into AfC is not suitable for Wikipedia.   For just the reasons that anonymous page creation was disallowed and this service created, we are lucky if registered users submit their crap here instead of creating new articles. It is a bit sinister, I know, but this is one tremendous practical benefit of this page. In the past, there was even some discussion of encouraging all new users to use AFC as a filter.
That's one reason.  The other is that when the rare article-worthy submission does come along, we should make sure it is created, no matter who submitted it.  In all of my time at AfC, there has not been a registered user who habitually uses AFC. In other words, they all leave the project, figure it out, or are told within a very short time.  A comment in the accept response is just as effective at educating these inexperienced users as a declination. A note on their talk page is even better.
I strongly suggest that we get rid of this template altogether. When used on poor submissions, it encourages something we don't want and neglects to give constructive criticism; when used on good submissions, there is a chance that it will not be seen or heeded, and that the quality article will never be created. Creating the article and educating the user is the way to go. ×Meegs 23:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that I think about it, I agree completely. We should let the user know that they can create their own articles, but also create the article anyway.  (This would particularly be so if the article wound up in the archive before being reviewed.) Kickaha Ota 23:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Your thoughts there really changed my decision on whether to just reject regusers AfC's. I didn't create the template by the way. I'd have to agree with you on getting rid of the template as it may be used on the rare good article that comes along once in a while.--Andeh 01:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've rewritten the  template from a "Declined; please create it yourself" to an "Article created; by the way, you can create future ones yourself". Kickaha Ota 12:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe we should have a template to put on the registered users talk page as they may not check back. How about ?--Andeh 14:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If a registered writes a great article, take a few seconds and write them a personal message, that's my advice. Chances are they're new and will greatly appreciate the attention. ×Meegs 14:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Registered users submitting to AfC 

message: Hi, I think it would be better if the titles of proposed pages were linked, but as noted above there were prblems with inexperienced users incorrectly placing the  's.  I was wondering if there was a way to put into the link which users use to propose a new page some text which makes Insert page name here appear in the subject bar.  I couldn't find a way to do this (in the very limited time I spent searching), but I had another idea: It is not compulsory to use the subject box to make a headline, so if the template included in the body of the request were to be changed to have the page title, as a level 2 headline, included in it, with instructions, the request would appear properly and with a link.  To see what I mean, go to  (on my user namespace to leave a message on a test talk page.  To see the code itself, go here.  Is it worth including do you think - I'm aware of not making it too complicated, so I've tried to make the headline stand out and provide clear instructions.  Let me know what you think Martinp23 23:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that unfortunately there's a couple potential issues with this idea. 1/ It's something else in the already-cluttered text box, which could just confuse things even further. 2/ It means that if somebody fills out the top header, and then fills out the instructions in the textbox, we end up with 2 headers on each section, which will just make things very jumbled on the page. 3/ As somebody else mentioned above, having the header as a link confuses Firefox and makes it a lot more work to markup long pages one section at a time, because it prevents Firefox from jumping back down to the section you last editted. So all in all, I think it's a lot of extra potential confusion for a fairly small benefit (that's of even less benefit to those of us using Firefox, since it just makes our lives harder). --Maelwys 13:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking AfC title 

message: In order to make it easier for reviewers to find unfulfilled requests in the backlog, I've flagged the recent archive pages that haven't been completely reviewed yet with a new template, . That template will add the page to :Category:Wikipedia article creation requests needing further review, just like the  template does. So reviewers can look in that category to find the archive pages that need their attention.
Here's the current look of the template. As always, feel free to make changes, but please try to keep the "Attention, reviewers:" intact.
	Attention, reviewers: There are article submissions on this archive page that still have not been reviewed.
Please look through the page and accept or decline the unreviewed requests, or add the  tag to requests that seem particularly troublesome. When all article submissions on the page have been accepted, declined or flagged with the  tag, please remove this notice from the page.
Kickaha Ota 19:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it not be easiest to also flag all archives with pending requests as emboldened on the main project page? --Robdurbar 10:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would certainly be very slick; but I don't know of any way to do it other than manually. And history would seem to show that any reviewing process that requires manual updates to the main page as well as the archive pages won't get done reliably. Kickaha Ota 16:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: We could run it as a trial, and scrap it if people stop doing it? As long as three or four committed users are happy to check on it a couple of times a day, it could work. Would be easiest to start at the beginning of August and see how it goes...? --Robdurbar 16:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Thank you so much; you've just provided a wonderful transition into my next discussion subject. :) Kickaha Ota 20:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My pleasure! Just take a look at how many times I've posted with an edit summary of "formatting"... that generally means changing header levels. Including the 6-section bio I just turned down, that only took me 7 edits to do so, when it should really be a quick single edit. Not so fun. --Maelwys 20:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Just as an aside, in the case of a multi-section article, I usually don't bother changing the header levels; I just add the decline template and the  to the bottom section, then add the  to the top section.  It momentarily causes a minor glitch in the page display, but it's so much faster than editing every section in a long article that I think it's worth it. Kickaha Ota 23:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flagging incompletely-handled article pages 

message: I have come across several articles that seem to have gone through this process. The problem is they seem to be copied with everything under the request (including the hidden stuff, like "You must submit sources), and even the signature. WP:SIG states there should be no signatures on article pages. Just wanted to alert you. -Royalguard11Talk 18:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sigs in Articles 

message: Anon user 66.177.176.228 (presumably accidentally, possibly as a result of the Firefox bug) cut off a number of contributions here, so I've restored them to the bottom of the page. Ziggurat 03:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The existing Jim Maloney article is on the baseball player, not the congressperson. So you would need to propose the article with an alternate name like "Jim Maloney (politician)". Kickaha Ota 19:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletions 

message: I tried to add an article on former CT congressman Jim Maloney , but was told the article already exists. Well, the existing article does not link to articles from other CT politicians even when a wiki link is in the article...how to fix THAT?
: The existing Jim Maloney article is on the baseball player, not the congressperson. So you would need to propose the article with an alternate name like "Jim Maloney (politician)". Kickaha Ota 19:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  existing articles?

message: When you leave your note in an AfC article explaining why you accepted or declined the article, make sure to sign it with ~~~~, so that the submitter (or other reviewers) can get back to you with questions or comments if need be. I've updated the instructions. Kickaha Ota 17:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Don't forget to sign your notes!

message: Someone added an instruction to the AFC preload template, reminding users to use three equal signs instead of two for their section headers. It's a bit confusingly worded. Also, I thought we'd agreed that we wanted to keep the instructions built into the template as simple as possible, and this seems a bit too advanced. (It's in the "extra tips for advanced users" section of the instructions on the AfC page itself.) I'd suggest removing it; any objections? Kickaha Ota 17:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have no objections over this. --Siva1979Talk to me 18:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Section-header instruction in the AFC preload template

message: Are anons able again to create articles?  was created on 18 August, 2006 by ...??-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  11:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Weird. None have been created today according to Special:Newpages. ×Meegs 11:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has been created as a talk page (unregistered users can create talk pages, even of non-existent articles). - Mike Rosoft 15:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah, I'd missed that it was a talk page. Thanks. ×Meegs 16:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Return to the past?

message: As everybody seems to use level two headings when writing up their proposed articles, would changing the template used so that it uses level 1 headings by default be any sort of problem?  Would make this a heck of a lot easier when dealing with mega-fragmented proposals.  talk to JD wants e-mail 00:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, just realised why that isn't doable.  I hadn't looked much into the process of actually writing an AfC before.  talk to JD wants e-mail 00:16, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section headings 

message: I submitted some articles about CT public officials and websites about a motnh ago and they have not been reviewed. Is thre a protocol here or are some articles more readily approved than others?
:Manpower. Reviewing AFC is a hard and unrewarding task. -- Gwern  (contribs) 20:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to resumbit your article if it was not reviewed before.  -- ShinmaWa(talk) 21:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Limbo?

message: I've been noodling about some ideas on how to make the AFC more "newbie friendly".  I've often said that bombarding users who haven't even created a username with a ton of rules, guidelines, etc is a great way for them not to read of any of it.  I still believe that is true.   Some of the recent changes to AFC's main page has certainly helped, but I had an idea on how go one step further -- a series of small pages that guide the user through the process, asking a few questions (answered by clicking Wiki-links) to narrow down the kind of article they plan on writing and presenting only the notability information they need to know.  I might just put a few pages together as a proof of concept.  If they don't work out, I'm sure I can talk Meegs into speedy deleting them for me since I'm mopless.  Any thoughts? :) :) -- ShinmaWa(talk) 07:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like a good idea.  J Ditalk 14:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm intrigued and would like to see the proof of concept. ×Meegs 17:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Proof of concept is complete at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Wizard.  Its just a PoC, so there's a few redlinks in there and the whole thing needs a coat of spit and polish, but its current purpose is to demonstrate the idea.  I would love your feedback! -- ShinmaWa(talk) 20:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idea -- a wizard 

message: I've noticed that entries here show up on google searches, and I don't think it's a good thing. Entries here are essentially premptively deleted content and include a lot of copyvio, nonsense, unverifiable information about real people etc. Perhaps search engines should be asked not to index it. Kappa 18:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree!  How do we do that?  I don't think we have a way to override robots.txt here, do we? -- ShinmaWa(talk) 20:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If a few people agree, I think we could make a feature request and some helpful developer would tweak the robots.txt file. Kappa 04:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. ×Meegs 18:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Count me as a supporter of that, too. The content of AFC should not be indexed by Google if we can avoid it. --Metropolitan90 03:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However, I have a caveat to that. I was reviewing an AFC entry which seemed familiar today and wanted to find where it had been submitted before. A Wikipedia search didn't turn it up, but Google did. --Metropolitan90 04:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop google indexing?

message: Hi everyone - I've been writing a program for the past while to help closing AfCs quickly and easily.  At the moment, it can only decline requests (I know - very negative) and has some minor bugs (which I hope to fix when I change the program later (if I can)).  If anyone would be interested in Beta testing for me, could you ask on my talk page or on IRC (nick Martinp23).  Thanks - Martinp23 19:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: System requirements? ×Meegs 20:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: .NET framework 2.0, IE6 or above.  Apart from that, in terms of hardware, nothing too much really (its a small app).  In terms of linux, you could try with mono or dotgnu, but I've had problems in the past with a different program - not tested this one yet.  Martinp23 20:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll set up some proper pages for it at some point - when I've finished writing it.  Martinp23 20:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify, the program works fine for now (there's one bug I know I need to smooth out), and at the moment can just decline edits (though it shouldn't be hard for me to complete it soon, so it will create new pages too).  If you;d be interested in testing for me, please email me (that way I can send you the download link shwnever I update, keeping the links secure (at least until I decide whether I need a checkpage).  Martinp23 21:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy to say that the program can now close AfCs too, where the result is "accept" :) Martinp23 18:50, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "AFC Closer" Program 

message: Wow, it' so time consuming here at WP:AFC... It' neglected so no one checks it.. some of the articles (about 2 per day) are pretty good (near B-class) articles, yet no one cares about the anons. -- Chris chat edits essays 05:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backlog! 

message: Please create this article soon as the world needs to be notified of the suckage of Jeff.
:No. --Gwern  (contribs) 02:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeff Sucks 

message: I don't mean to be trolling here but it seems to me that if we keep tags like these on archived request pages it clutters up the Articles which may contain original research category. I know we are not supposed to edit archived requests which is why I left it untouched but could we agree to remove such tags? It will get increasingly annoying as more and more of these start to appear on the list. The category should be easy to walk through when trying to resolve these original research disputes. I understand that sometimes the tag itself is the reason the article was declined but that should be clear from the discussion and not the tag itself. MartinDK 08:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I definitely agree with you Martin.  The AFC page is flagged as having a backlog, and I think that clearing that tag counts as dealing with the backlog.  That request was rejected, it will never exist in that form, therefore it should be detagged. Chrisfow 18:07, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I removed it now. That backlog is hard enough to work through as it is ;) One more down, too many to go yet... MartinDK 18:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research tag on [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/2006-11-07#The_R.24B_In_Me_.28Album.29|The R$B In Me (Album)]]

message: Am I supposed to do this? Is there anyway to do it?  In the list of backlog pages for AfC, some say completed after the page title in the summary list... I've just closed the last article on a backlog page, but can't seem to find a way to now mark it as completed... Any suggestions?  Thanks!  QuiteUnusual 21:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not quite sure about this. I am not working on the AfC but on the backlog at :Category:Articles which may contain original research which seems to work different. Also I am a bit new at this but what I do is I inspect every page on the backlog and see what I can do to either resolve the issue myself or motivate the editors to work towards having the  tag removed. The reason I was interested in the AfC archive was because sometimes the tag gets stuck on the proposed articles and aren't deleted when the request is denied. Well, it happened on that one article anyway and I wanted to be sure of how to deal with it. But basically judging from the response I got it seems like it would be a good idea if you remove such tags when patrolling the AfC backlog so the tags don't clutter up the other backlogs. Happy editing and thanks for the help! MartinDK 22:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Happy to do this while I am clearing up QuiteUnusual 22:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Can't you just choose edit at the top of the page and edit it like any other page? Seems like what everyone else is doing. MartinDK 22:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How bizarre - there wasn't an edit button (it looked like a watchlist, for example), it just had a "special page" tab.  Now I've gone in again it can be edited.  Must have found some other way of listing the backlog last time.  Thanks! QuiteUnusual 22:33, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Marking backlog pages as completed

message: I've created this new template. As of now, the wording simply stinks; but it's a start. Please (that's a request, not a nicety) improve upon it. Patstuarttalk|edits 13:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|Afc context}} 

message: I've been working on WP:AfC for almost a week now and I have some observations about the backlog situation.
It looks like the editors here are now more or less keeping up with demand - but it's definitely a struggle.  But the backlog is so insanely long (an entire YEAR) that it'll never get cleared - we must accept that it's completely impossible.  Even the archived pages marked as 'completed' are often not.
I have a proposal that would help immensely:
Split the AfC request page into three categories
So the top level 'WP:AfC' page would say:
# Click here if you wish to create an article about a living person
# Click here if you with to create an article about a living Band, a music Album or a Song.
# Click here to create an article about something else.
By far the majority of the unanswered and rejected entries come from (1) and (2).  They are almost all fail because they are very obviously non-notable.  We can add a special reminder to contributors in each of these categories by giving a nice simple summary of the rules in WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC and asking people not to request articles that don't meet these criteria.
Hopefully, giving tailored advice for those two categories (which are by FAR the vast proportion of rejected articles) - we can cut down on the huge number of incoming 'junk' articles.
For the first two categories editors are not required to explicitly reject articles on grounds of non-notability
Instead, if a request is not picked up by an editor and turned into an article within 7 days, they are considered to have been rejected.  This would save an immense amount of manual editing.  It also pretty much reflects the reality of current practice.  It's a real pain to have to add all of the justification and the pre/post templates for all of those bazillions of vanity articles.
It's no problem to scan a long list of those article requests and quickly identify the handful that need to be created - but to individually justify the rejection of all of the others is a lot of hassle.
Whilst this may not be the 'pure' approach that we'd like to take, IMHO it's the only thing that's going to keep the backlog down in the long term.
SteveBaker 12:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You would never guess this after reviewing the logs; but there is currently a "wizard-like" interface that starts when you do the "click here to start" button.  One of the questions it asks you is the type of article you're creating, and then it beats you over the head with the notability guidelines.  In a nice way, of course.  The auto-expire after seven days is interesting - how would you word the feedback to the submitter? Kuru talk 01:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are too many words on the interface - it needs to be radically simplified and guided step by step menu system: Something like "Click here if you are doing an article about a person"...new page..."Click here if this person is still alive"...new page..."Click here if the person is a sporting celebrity with no international wins..."...whatever.  At the end, it can say "We don't normally accept articles about living sports celebrities unless they have international wins"...or whatever.   The vast majority of people who come here are OBVIOUSLY total newbies - so anything remotely sophisticated will fool them.  As for what we say if we hit the seven day limit is simply the truth "We're sorry - none of our editors felt that they should create your article.". SteveBaker 02:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nightmare to maintain, unfortunately.  While I understand your concern completely, what you propose would span literally hundreds of pages quickly.   Assuming only 3 choices per page, you've got 354 pages to maintain at the 4th level and 1083 at the 5th.   As it is, there are 18 pages in the wizard and they are a handful enough.  -- ShinmaWa(talk) 06:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I've been pushing through the backlogged archives a little bit. One thing to note is that On some of the really old pages (from Dec. 2005, Jan. 2006, and so on - I don't know when the templates were introduced), editors weren't really required to comment on unsourced requests, so many of the pages appear incomplete while they're actually completed. I do agree that this backlog is heinous! -sthomson06  (Talk) 23:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clearing the backlog. 

message: Anyone else here notice that if someone adds the words "up and coming artist" to a WP:MUSIC submission, that it's a dead-give away that it's not notable? No offense, it's like they're cluing us in. -Patstuarttalk|edits 00:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We could drop the number of submissions here by at least a factor of ten if only we could get people to check the notability requirements for bands and living people before submitting. SteveBaker 20:09, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NN giveaway 

message: I just found this place today. It really is a great catch all page for vandalism and articles that otherwise would be speedy deleted. If only all vandals could be sent here. All this stuff like about a guy you knew who took a picture of his poop, and other stuff that's just miles of gibberish. Anomo 18:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It stands as a testament to the effectiveness of the rule that you have to have an account and to have had it for a few days before you can create an article.  I really wish that this rule applied to all editing. semi-protection is a good thing. SteveBaker 20:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although studies have shown the majority of content on wikipedia is written by anons (with <50 edits) or users with few edits.  So semi-protection would stop most of that.  We wouldn't want that. Chris M. 04:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, a lot of editors start out as anons, so blocking them would likely prevent the influx of "new blood" into the community. —Dgiest c 16:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow 

message: Sorry guys I think i messed up the submission and it became 4 different ones, (Staff, Corporate Outcomes, mission etc.. all belong with the one article!)
I don't know how to fix it.
86.22.130.255 01:54, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleveland Fire Brigade