Template talk:US House succession box

message: *I noticed your edits to :Template:USRepSuccessionBox, and I think the concept was a good idea.  However, I think the text in the succession box is a bit bulky.  I tried to adjust it but the template is quite complicated, so I just thought I would suggest it to you instead and perhaps you could implement it.  For example, instead of Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from Maryland's 8th congressional district, I was thinking of something that is more concise and flows better: Representative of the 8th Congressional District of Maryland.  Thoughts?  Thanks. --tomf688 (talk - email) 18:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Congress-person title in SuccessionBox

message: New Jersey was constituted as a single at-large district for periods of time in the early to mid 1800s. What is the best way to use this template to show that multiple members preceded, succeeded and served alongside a particular member. See Charles C. Stratton for my attempts to address this. Stratton also has another twist, in that after his final term in the House, New Jersey switched over to separate districts. How would his successors be shown? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Alansohn 16:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * Seats "A" and "B" have no meaning.  They are just arbitrarily used here, but there's no continuity from one seat to the other.—GoldRingChip 11:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Multi-member At-Large district

message: The present design of USRepSuccessionBox is unnecessarily wide, and contains many more words than are needed. The notes above call it "bulky" and "clunky," so let's fix it. It seems to me the box is really unnecessary, but if there must be one please consider having it simplified, perhaps more like what's below. stilltim 01:41, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This succession box needs improvement

message: Someone just took this box off Sue Kelly  to make it look cleaner.  I think it looks better, but the links are less than ideal.  The current layout, with single words hanging on their own line, is not good either.  Anyone have ideas for improvement? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 01:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanliness 

message: We don't need to include "district_ord" as a parameter.  I had used it in early versions of this template, but I have since constructed this template such that it is now superfluous.  It's not harmful, but you don't need to include it any more.—Markles 11:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "district_ord" parameter 

message: United States CongressionalDelegations from X state	List of United StatesRepresentatives from X state	Comments
Alabama                                            	Alabama                                          	Unique
Alaska                                             	Alaska                                           	Complete
Arizona                                            	Arizona                                          	Complete
Arkansas                                           	Arkansas                                         	List article contains 4 people
California                                         	California                                       	List article has unique content
Colorado                                           	Colorado                                         	List article has unique content
Connecticut                                        	Connecticut                                      	List article contains 5 people
Delaware                                           	Delaware                                         	List article has unique content
Florida                                            	Florida                                          	List article redirects to Delegations article
Georgia                                            	Georgia                                          	List article contains 13 people
Hawaii                                             	Hawaii                                           	Complete
Idaho                                              	Idaho                                            	List article contains 2 people
Illinois                                           	Illinois                                         	List article contains 19 people
Indiana                                            	Indiana                                          	List article contains 9 people
Iowa                                               	Iowa                                             	List article contains 5 people
Kansas                                             	Kansas                                           	List article contains 4 people
Kentucky                                           	Kentucky                                         	List article contains 6 people
Louisiana                                          	Louisiana                                        	List article contain 7 people
Maine                                              	Maine                                            	List article contains 2 people
Maryland                                           	Maryland                                         	List article contains 8 people
Massachusetts                                      	Massachusetts                                    	Complete
Michigan                                           	Michigan                                         	List article contains subset of content in Delegations article
Minnesota                                          	Minnesota                                        	List article contains 24 people
Mississippi                                        	Mississippi                                      	List article contains subset of content in Delegations article
Missouri                                           	Missouri                                         	List contains 8 people
Montana                                            	Montana                                          	List article contains 1 person
Nebraska                                           	Nebraska                                         	List article contains subset of content in Delegations article
Nevada                                             	Nevada                                           	List contains 3 people
New Hampshire                                      	New Hampshire                                    	List contains 2 people
New Jersey                                         	New Jersey                                       	List article contains subset of content in Delegations article
New Mexico                                         	New Mexico                                       	List contains 3 people
New York                                           	New York                                         	Complete
North Carolina                                     	North Carolina                                   	List article contains subset of content in Delegations article
North Dakota                                       	North Dakota                                     	List article contains subset of content in Delegations article
Ohio                                               	Ohio                                             	List article contains subset of content in Delegations article
Oklahoma                                           	Oklahoma                                         	List contains 5 people
Oregon                                             	Oregon                                           	List contains ALL people
Pennsylvania                                       	Pennsylvania                                     	List contains ALL people
Rhode Island                                       	Rhode Island                                     	List contains all people
South Carolina                                     	South Carolina                                   	List contains 6 people
South Dakota                                       	South Dakota                                     	List article contains subset of content in Delegations article
Tennessee                                          	Tennessee                                        	List contains 9 people
Texas                                              	Texas                                            	List contains 32 people
Utah                                               	Utah                                             	List article contains subset of content in Delegations article
Vermont                                            	Vermont                                          	List contains 4 people
Virginia                                           	Virginia                                         	List contains 10 people
Washington                                         	Washington                                       	List contains 9 people
West Virginia                                      	West Virginia                                    	List contains 3 people
Wisconsin                                          	Wisconsin                                        	List contains 8 people
Wyoming                                            	Wyoming                                          	List article redirects to Delegations article
American Samoa                                     	American Samoa                                   	List article redirects to Delegations article
District of Columbia                               	District of Columbia                             	List article redirects to Delegations article
Guam                                               	Guam                                             	List article redirects to Delegations article
Puerto Rico                                        	Puerto Rico                                      	List article redirects to Delegations article
After User:Markles reverted my change to which articles the Template links to, I thought I should look at all of the states (where previously I had concentrated on my own).  As the chart above shows, in all but two cases (MA & DE), the much more robust and complete article is the "Delegations" article.  In many cases, the "List" article has only the current delegation, a very small number of historical representatives, or virtually no additional information about the people.  In EVERY case, the "Delegations" articles are complete and up-to-date.  They link to the reps' individual articles, denote party, list ordinal congress', list years of service, list district, and show graphically who they served along-side.  They also show the con-current Senate delegations.  I propose that the Template:USRepSuccessionBox link to the "Delegations" articles until such time as the "List" articles compete with respect to standardization, completeness, and substantial unique information. --Appraiser 15:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Support STILL - Someone has recently changed the link to the "List" articles again.  I still maintain that the "Delegations" articles are much more complete (as stated in my original note above).  All of the Delegations articles also link to the "daughter articles" (List of Senators and List of Representatives), so I see no reason to change this template to link to a set of articles which is still very incomplete.--Appraiser 21:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Which article to link to

message: *new: This was added to be a variant of before so that the "Preceded by" message in the s-bef box is not shown--i.e. for someone like James Madison. To use the feature, do not include the before parameter. Simply type new= and enter one of the parameters from Template:S-new.
*startrows: A good example of this would again be James Madison. Including the startrows parameter will change the heighth of ONLY the "Preceeded by" cell. The title and "After" cells will not be changed.
*reason: This was added to be a variant of the after parameter and will use an s-non code instead of an s-aft code--i.e. using it will remove the "Succeeded by" message. See Bob Dole's first congressional seat to see how I used it. Simply type reason= and enter the reason.
*endrows: This is just like startrows above. Including this will only change the heighth of the "Succeeded by" cell, so use it wisely. 
The biggest change about this, however, is that omitting all of the above features, and the before and after parameters will isolate the title box; or, including only the "before-box" will omit the end box, and vice versa. See James Madison, again! :p Another use of this is if you have a before and after box that are each two rows and need to squeeze one box inbetween. Cheers!! Foofighter20x (talk) 23:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added New Features! 

message: There is a problem with the USRepSuccessionBox template for Territory of Hawaii on the William Paul Jarrett article. "Delegate to the U.S. House of Representatives" works correctly, but "from Territory of Hawaii" shows the Territory of Hawaii as a red link. Peaceray (talk) 20:01, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It did. Mahalo! Peaceray (talk) 08:41, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with template for [[Territory of Hawaii]] on [[William Paul Jarrett]] article 

message: Should the template  be included in the USRepSuccessionBox? The template can be used to add a seniority box at the bottom of the USRepSuccessionBox, such that the ceremonial seniority of a US congressperson is shown flanked by a "preceded by" person and a "succeeded by" person. Such an addition can be seen in this recent edit to the biography of Representative Barbara Lee. See :Template:S-prec#With_parameter for context. Binksternet (talk) 00:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC regarding ceremonial seniority position 

message: *No per WP:UNDUE. The ceremonial seniority of a US congressperson is a triviality. The relation is even more trivial between the congressperson and the two others in the "preceded by" and "succeeded by" cells. Such seniority is automatic, not a result of striving or competition or merit. As well, such seniority means very little in the United States, where presidential succession has many people coming before the congressperson. Binksternet (talk) 00:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: An RfC has been opened at Template talk:Succession box#RfC. The RfC debates the usage of this template especially, and I think that the participation of users who work with this template would be helpful. Kraxler (talk) 13:14, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

message: At present, if one writes "after=vacant" there appears in the box the saying "Succeeded by vacant". Is it possible to add a parameter like "vacant=after" to show  a simple "Vacant" in the field of the successor? For comparison: omitting the after parameter in incumbent boxes shows just "Incumbent" without "Succeded by". Kraxler (talk) 14:08, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody added now the correct parameter, it's "reason=vacant". It should be added at the template page, as an option, although, thinking about it some time I may have guessed in the end. Kraxler (talk) 14:30, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vacant parameter 

message: Change "List of United States Representatives" to "List of United States representatives" to bypass the redirect. Woko Sapien (talk) 14:41, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 23 March 2021 

message: On the first line of this template

change  to 
Viewing the html generated by Abner_Hazeltine, there is some html text of the form
rowspan="{{{startrows}}}"
The above change would generate correct html
I have come across at least 15 pages that have this issue. Desb42 (talk) 07:29, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:30, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 13 September 2021