Talk:Western pattern diet

message: The image of the obesity graph has no year and no source. Yet it is pretty and believable, but not giving a full and accurate picture. And stats change. How will we know when this was valid?  Upload date is no proof of creation date or year Kristinwt (talk) 04:06, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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message: I have proposed this merge based on the similar content of the two articles. The scope of each article is the same. Standard American Diet is a weak article, but contains information that could benefit and expand The Western Pattern Diet article significantly. These two weak articles should be made into one strong article. Since Western Standard diet is the term used in medical texts, and is less America-centric, it should be the merge-to article. F-451 (talk) 02:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: The name "Western pattern diet" makes it appear as though a fast-food diet is the Western diet, which it patently is not. The term has a very neutral, scientific connotation, but the content of the article itself is strongly negative. It is especially disappointing to see the article linked from Fast food restaurant as "Western-style diet," further promoting this misconception. I propose changing the name of this article, removing it entirely, or combining it with the much better European cuisine. At the very least, a search for "Western diet" should not redirect to this page, but rather to European cuisine. aristotle1990 (talk) 19:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you proposing a merge? Then please do so, and be more concise in the wording to avoid confusion. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 20:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

text: 1. The article does not mention fast food apart for the photo. 2. "Western pattern diet" is the correct name. Googling for "Western pattern diet" gives you a list of medical articles, not European cuisine recipes. —Pengo 09:30, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What?

message: Sorry I reverted this change: , but I admit I haven't taken the time to check how valid it is. Only it seems to mess up referenced statements. —Pengo 16:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hasty reversion 

message: What is this prudent diet talked about in the article?  There is no clear definition.  Is it referring to the American Heart Association's prudent diet?  The one that failed miserably against the higher in fat Mediterranean diet? Lambanog (talk) 06:01, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea. Here's the edit which first added the term (via WikiBlame):  —Pengo 19:08, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Fung et al. defined a specific "prudent pattern diet" in their article and I have rewritten that paragraph to actually correspond to what the journals read. 93 (talk) 06:05, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prudent diet? 

message: I just want to say something  what has been described in thsi wikipedia article is NOT THE WESTERN DIET.The Western Diet is based on natural non- processed,non-modified foods,like fish,vegetible,fruits etc,
What this article is showing the the modern Industrial Diet!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.12.110.116 (talk) 18:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the title is misleading as the Mediterranean diet is no less Western, and this type of diet would probably better be described as "Modern Western (urban?) diet", but we need to use the term most frequently used in sources. My suspicion is that "Standard American Diet" would be a better title, as this is what the article is mostly about. Even a typical modern German diet is, I believe, at least slightly more prudent and less extreme. For example, Germans who visit the US often remark how overly sugary sweet foods are there. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 02:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Anonymous section

message: Why does this article include anecdote from vegan doctors about animal fat, animal protein and vegan diets? This doesn't belong here. The references cited do not support the claims and include mostly anecdote (including a book written by a layperson). The studies they cite are small, cherry picked and certainly do not support the claims. Also, there are many studies of a higher methodological quality that say otherwise. There is a discussion about this here: http://authoritynutrition.com/wikipedia-tainted-with-vegan-propaganda/
There are several pages that include these same vegan messages. It looks like someone just went all over a bunch of nutrition pages and copy-pasted the same claims, with the same references. This looks like propaganda written to promote the vegan message, definitely not scientific or objective. It certainly doesn't belong on this page, so I'm removing it. Krassssi (talk) 11:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call; I agree that The China Study is pure pseudoscience, but have you ever tried to get some real criticism in there, if only as an external link? Fuhgeddaboutit. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are there vegan messages in the article? 

message: The Western diet has positive impacts on health which are not mentioned here at all.
Increased height, muscle mass, bone health, lifespan, among other things.  The positive influences need to be mentioned.
:Also, the definition needs to be refined or expanded:
::The diet is changing with Americans taking in more fruits and vegetables and perhaps eating better than European counterparts. Which diet is present in formerly eastern diet areas?  e.g., A section in Obesity in Mexico finds Mexico is moving from agrarian diets to Western 1950s and '60s diets as part of a progression to current American diets.
::Temporal changes: Americans eat less processed food and more fresh fruits and vegetables than they did 30 years ago, due to nutritional research and education, falling food cost and seasonal variations being abolished.  And 30 years before that, their diet was different as well.
::Regional differences: American diets vary by whether they live in the city, Midwest, coast, etc. and in Food deserts.Skingski (talk) 19:50, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This is some logic but Wikipedia is based on reliable sources (and in this case, WP:MEDRS sources).  We follow what they say.  Jytdog (talk) 22:01, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Western pattern diet

message: There are several other health concerns not addressed here, such as higher risks of asthma attacks, decreased fertility neurological dysfunction and oral cancer.Sherry72 (talk) 00:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health Concerns 

message: Just a heads-up that as part of an editathon I'm leading on June 17, new editors might be making some edits to this article. I'll be following up shortly afterwards to check for copyright compliance and other quality issues and will clean up stuff if needed. Cheers, Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 23:08, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editathon June 17 

message: The Calorie correctly called kilocalorie is mostly used in the U.S. this article does not appear to have any kilojoule units which are used for the remainder of the planet. Avi8tor (talk) 07:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conversion of Units