Talk:History of coal mining

message: This is probably irrelevant to a history page, but if someone wants to add these back, I have removed the reference to the journal article about externalities because the conclusion wasn't given. I've removed "50%" because it was vague and unsourced, and I've removed the reference to the PDF for coal being the primary source of electrical power because it didn't say that anywhere (it said that the majority of coal is used for electrical power, which is different) Kevinpet (talk) 05:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cost of Coal 

message: If this is expanded, this should be linked as "main article" from history section of coal mining article.
If it is not expanded, it should be merged with coal mining.  Gene Nygaard 21:31, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  <nowiki>Headline text</nowiki>
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message: It might be interesting to add this graph, which should be free of copyright, but I don't know how to do it. 
http://www.econlib.org/library/YPDBooks/Jevons/jvnCQ0.html
Can anyone add the link?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.159.117 (talk) 15:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Jevons' graph

message: I am not a good person to AfD things, but somone needs to merge this with coal mining and Afd this artocle. If it becomes necessary, 
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I would oppose the merging of this with coal mining.  However this is a vast subject, and probably needs to be dealt with by providing regional overviews for each major coalfield in each country.  Indeed some of these may need separate articles with this one providing an overview.   
Even the present bibliography on Great Britain is severely incomplete, lacking scholarly works by J. U. Nef, John Hatcher, M. W. Flinn and others.  Peterkingiron 08:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I upgraded the bibliography. Rjensen 08:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD

message: Thanks :-)
The article still needs a lot of expansion,
After all there massive biblogrpahy shows there is a lot
that can be written on the subject..
It might also be worht mentioning in passing things like
Davey lamp,Geordie lamp. School of the Mines,
the discover of coke, role of coal in gas production etc
(gas works were a major coal user in the UK until natural
gas was found in the North Sea), Role of coilers in labour relations
(like for example the General Strike in 1926) etc etc...
ShakespeareFan00 22:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree. I will keep digging into the US materials and add something on Canada. Maybe Germany too. Rjensen 23:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future diggings 

message: The meaning of this sentence is unclear:
:"Coal miners' labour unions became powerful in many countries in the 20th century, often leading the Socialist movement."
Does this mean "leading," as in "being ahead of," or "leading to..." or something else? 
What countries are referred to? 
Suggest clarify or delete. Richard Myers 08:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the citations from numerous scholars who say the coal miners unions were important factors in left-wing politics in numerous countries (US, Britain, Germany, Japan, Canada, Spain, Italy, Belgium). Rjensen 09:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now it makes sense, thanks. Richard Myers 10:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning unclear -- "...leading the Socialist movement..." 

message: The final section Social impact of coal's decline... is unreferenced, poorly written, and full of POV.  Unless someone either cleans it up or gives me a reason to leave it in, I think that it should be deleted.Plazak 10:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good.  I look forward to seeing your cited verifiable sources.Plazak 22:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Social impact of coal's decline

message: Hi please talk about money for my report that will get &1227890 if it wins.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.237.70.133 (talk) 22:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Money 

message: shouldent the the british labour partys part in coal mining history be mentioned  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.216.134.34 (talk) 11:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is, although rather cursorily, if you find the relaibale sources :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  labour party and james kier hardie 

message: I put on the tag for the article not representing a worldwide view of the subject as some major coal producing regions, such as China are not discussed.Theseeker4 (talk) 13:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: worldwide

message: I'm attempting to change the groundwork of the article to a more world-wide format, but people keep changing it back.
If you want to help, create sub-articles about coal mining in those specific countries. Coal mining has a diverse history among many countries, but this article focuses too specifically on the importance of coal in the development of Western nations.
And you're not helping by adding more content relating to coal mining in the West.
Editing is a gradual process, and the article is a mess as it is. If you don't like the way I'm changing the article, please post the reasons for your disagreement on the talk page. Or better yet, do something.
AllStarZ (talk) 17:34, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reversion

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I find the claim about the low cost of coal for electricity generation in a sentence in the first paragraph to be outdated. The sentence currently reads "Coal remains an important energy source because of its low cost and abundance compared to other fuels, particularly for electricity generation[1]" 
The source cited is from 2004, and a lot has changed since then. According to the consultancy Lazard, the electricity from new coal-fired power plants is typically more expensive than that from combined-cycle gas plants, wind or solar on an unsubsidized basis https://www.lazard.com/perspective/lcoe2019. And while the Lazard analysis shows that running existing coal plants is competitive with these sources, it also shows that it is more expensive than running nuclear plants; furthermore in the United States the cost of operating coal plants is typically higher than running combined cycle gas plants.
As such, I would like to propose that this be modified to remove the phrase "particularly for electricity generation", or alternatively to state that "while coal was an inexpensive source of electricity generation in the past, it has been eclipsed in cost by other sources of power."
Croselund20 (talk) 16:23, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be careful with this one.  The Lazard report you quote seems to be dealing with the US where environmental costs are quite high (as in UK and in Europe) and where land is relatively cheap (unlike the UK and Europe).  It's not clear that the same figures apply to South America, Africa and Asia.  China, in particular, has been investing in coal-fired generation.  Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:46, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed edit to remove outdated claim of coal being a cheap fuel for electricity generation 

message: If there are no objects, I'm gonna go ahead and order the countries alphabetically. I don't see any significance to the current order.  –DMartin  05:53, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country order 

message: All ok 114.134.27.182 (talk) 12:05, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of coal