Talk:Conditional election

message: I started this page even though it's only a stub currently; very shortly I am going to try to expand it similar to Unlimited atonement and Conditional Preservation of the Saints. David Schroder 17:34, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Started This Page - Incomplete

message: Why the controversiality tag on this article? It lacks citations and makes lists of defenses here and there without producing a secondary source for the syntheses made, but that is the characteristic state of stubs and premature articles. Is that controversial? 
The section Biblical support is the troublesome one, because lists of motivations from a primary religious source don't suffice according to WP:PRIMARY, unless the statements are flat copied to Wikipedia. Abrahamite religions are heavy on interpretations of texts, and Wikipedia policy and culture requires us to not make interpretations here, so that we need external sources making the interpretations for us. The topic in question has three sides: those for, those against, and those neutral. Concentrating on defining the concept, adding proponent reasons and antagonist reasons should not be any problem at all for us, if we only adher to the policies. ... said: Rursus (mbork³) 14:14, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Why controversial?

message: This really seems to be a pitch from a calvinist viewpoint on what conditional election is and how it doesn't really make any sense.  If it's ok I would like to scrap most of it(since there are basically no references) and redo it in the same form as the page on Unlimited Atonement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlimited_atonement
Which offers a more neutral point of view, will that be alright with everyone?
:Has this issue been resolved, or are more changes needed? Aardvark92 (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  This just seems to be written by an angry calvinist 

message: I am not sure how to condense this to match the other short passages, but I find the parable of the sower to be some of the best support for conditional election.
The sower sows the word. And these are the ones along the path, where the word is sown: when they hear, Satan immediately comes and takes away the word that is sown in them. And these are the ones sown on rocky ground: the ones who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy. And they have no root in themselves, but endure for a while; then, when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately they fall away. And others are the ones sown among thorns. They are those who hear the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. But those that were sown on the good soil are the ones who hear the word and accept it and bear fruit, thirtyfold and sixtyfold and a hundredfold.”
	
(Mark 4:14-20 ESV)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:0:B080:5A:75EE:2916:49B9:A922 (talk) 02:31, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The parable of the sower 

message: ". . .the belief that God chooses for eternal salvation those whom he foresees will have faith in Christ. This belief emphasizes the importance of a person's free will."
How exactly does this emphasize importance of free will when the decision was already made earlier? Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 15:00, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing lead