Talk:Bernardine Cemetery

message: It would be helpful if the anonymous editor using the IPs of 203.56.87.254, 131.170.90.2 and 124.190.116.230 would desist from attempting to add unimportant and undue information  into this article on English Wikipedia. It would also be helpful if the "anon" would not include personal attacks  in their edit summaries. Thanks. Dr. Dan (talk) 01:05, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Calling you out on your Anti-Polonism is hardly a personal attack. Methinks you are just trolling (or baiting, looking for an excuse to block this user), as looking through the edit history, this has happened before with another Lithuanian nationalist user. Almost 20% of the population of Wilno is Polish, this is hardly "undue". 203.56.87.254 (talk) 13:24, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but your edit history concerning Lithuanian related articles speaks for itself. So do your edit summaries . Removing undue information is not "Anti-Polonism". The city is in Lithuania. The cemetery is in Lithuania. Minorities aside, the information is unnecessary on English Wikipedia. This is only another instance of people with an agenda placing Polish language entries into articles concerning Lithuania. Cities, towns, villages, hamlets, "neighborhoods" of cities, rivers, lakes and of course any Lithuanian personage that they can get away with. Conversely many of the same people take issue with any attempt to use a non-Polish name (as they interpret the matter) when faced with such a situation. Btw,  regarding "Almost 20% of the population of Wilno is Polish"... What's Wilno? Dr. Dan (talk) 14:33, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Usual trio Dr.Dan, MK, Lykoz removing Polish names form every article related to the Polish-Lithuanian heritage edit warring (see history) sadly...nothing changed in this department... more examples to follow....--Jacurek (talk) 15:36, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dyslexic people are amusing. Not only they do not know how to spell names, also they forget to check their EEML fellows contributions and also accuse people, who did just simply ceased editing, on their own misdeeds. Fotr the record - I do consider the continuing misspelling of my name as mocking and demand an apology.--Lokyz (talk) 20:00, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummm, no, dyslexic people are not amusing. They are just dyslexic. And hey, they can (and in fact on average are) be smarter than non-dyslexic people. What this has to do with anything related to this article I have no idea.radek (talk) 22:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's about spelling. And about someone who does sing the old song again - the three vile Lithuanians, blah blah blah, and does not even take into consideration the absurdity of such accusations, especially after reaching some common ground how to include foreign names of the cities and towns in a way, that allows avoid unnecessary flaming, and especially after I've  ceased editing Wikipedia at all for a month, until someone provoked calling me Lykoz again (actually User:Jacurek never did spell it correctly, maybe someone should give him guidance how to write it? Just to create more productive and friendly atmosphere here.--Lokyz (talk) 13:30, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:Undue|Undue Information]] 

message: Re this  and this 
#You cannot claim to revert somebody "per talk" when the talk page in actuality does not support your edit.
#I have no idea what "hm? Translation is per talk?" is supposed to mean.
#"Or using CAPS is it?" - I used caps in an Edit summary to emphasize the fact that if you gonna claim that your revert is "per talk" then it really should be "per talk". What's your point?
#"(Redacted) EEML sanctions DO apply even to you." - first I am not under any EEML sanctions. Second, I have asked you explicitly and politely not to insist on using my former username as it is linked to my real life name, here . You have refused to do so. This is straight up harassment then.Volunteer Marek (talk) 23:36, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was referring to this comment , that seems to be relevant on several topics. This is a view of third party, not related to Lithuania or Poland. Caps, in a Netiquette usually are regarded as a shouting, and also raising a voice ergo Mauvais ton--Lokyz (talk) 00:14, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  measured response 

message: Once again, Wikipedia is not an English dictionary. It is not a Polish-English or French-English dictionary either. The Polish Wikipedia article about this cemetery does not include the Lithuanian name for this cemetery, even though it is in Lithuania. Even though it is in the capital of Lithuania. And rightly so because they are not required to do so. If someone decided that it would be nice to include the Lithuanian language variant in the lead of the Polish language Wikipedia article about the Bernadine Cemetery, that's all it would be. Nice. But still unnecessary and undue. This is why I'm again removing the undue and unnecessary information  from this article's lead on English Wikipedia. Dr. Dan (talk) 01:29, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Resting place of Polish and Lithuanian nobles. Closely related to the Polish history. Name added as per Wikipedia standards -WP:NCGN per Wikipedia:LEAD#Usage_in_first_sentence per Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Alternate_names--Jacurek (talk) 02:01, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing specifically in that provided link, which would order inclusion of foreign names by default. Therefore seek consensus on controversial edits next time. M.K. (talk) 06:56, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: -WP:NCGN per Wikipedia:LEAD#Usage_in_first_sentence per Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Alternate_names as per all other articles in Wikipedia. --Jacurek (talk) 06:58, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, those even stress the need to reach consensus as well. M.K. (talk) 07:01, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry you have missed these - consensus reached here WP:NCGN and here Wikipedia:LEAD#Usage_in_first_sentence and Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Alternate_names - best regards--Jacurek (talk) 02:01, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Translation is not an alternative name - be it kapinės or cmentarz or cemetery - it is a common word, just in different languages. I do not see any specific alternative here. Just ask yourself, how would it benefit English reader.--Lokyz (talk) 13:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Weren't you just told to stay away from me?Volunteer Marek (talk) 16:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually you were told to stay away from me and the topics I'm working on:) In plain English.--Lokyz (talk) 20:11, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Resting place of Polish (see list) nobles closely related to the Polish history. Name added as per WP:NCGN per Wikipedia:LEAD#Usage_in_first_sentence per Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Alternate_names. Thank you.--Jacurek (talk) 15:22, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Pozwól mi skorzystać z okazji, życzę wszystkim najlepszego w dniu  "Kobiet". Dzień później. And I wholly agree with Volunteer Marek and his edit, "I get a feeling that this is another instance where a random and irrelevant Wikipedia policy gets forcibly conscripted into serving as a meager excuse for reverting others per IDONTLIKEIT". Very true. One particular editor keeps harping on it over and over. And even one of its co-authors agrees it needs some fine tuning to say the least..."This dates to the very early days we were designing NPGN and as far as I can tell the wording was introduced by no other than myself". Obviously, it should be scrutinized further so that its spirit and letter are not twisted in order to suit an agenda. Again, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. The article on English Wikipedia about cats does not include (), in its lead, despite there being lots of cats in Poland. More pertinently, the English Wikipedia article about Brazil does not include () in its lead. Despite a significant Polish population in Curitiba (), no one would invoke the so-called WP:NCGN policy to argue that point and place the Polish toponym in the lead of its article. Not if they were being realistic about the purpose of this project. Would that be "conveying" pertinent information to our readers on English Wikipeda, even though there is a very nice link to 'Curytiba' on Polish Wikiipedia? Enough already of this nationalist trolling, cloaked in "policy", by the same people over and over again, disrupting the Wikipedia project in a mean spirited subjectivity. It goes way beyond the article about this cemetery. Poland is a great country and the Poles are a great people. Please start writing something useful that goes beyond telling us what a Lithuanian village, or a French village's geographical toponym is in Polish, just because you can. Totally useless.  Dr. Dan (talk) 02:50, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your comment, unfortunately following consensus has been reached here WP:NCGN and here Wikipedia:LEAD#Usage_in_first_sentence and here Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Alternate_names - best regards--Jacurek (talk) 03:24, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a Dictionary 

message: #Stanisław Fleury (1861–1915), Polish artist and photographer
#Stanisław Bonifacy Jundziłł (1761–1847), Polish botanist and florist, professor of Vilnius University and head of the Botanical Garden
#Franciszek Narwojsz – Polish matematician and engineer
#Zachariasz Niemczewski – Polish professor of mathematics
#Bolesław Rusiecki – Polish painter
#Kanuty Rusiecki – Polish painter
Are these persons really Polish? Fleury anyone? What is more, they there born (except one) in Lithuania (then Grand Duchy of Lithuania or already a part of Russian Empire). What means Polish here? Ethnicity, citizenship, state?  I suggest remove nationality OR correct as these persons do belong to both Polish and Lithuanian culture (some to Belarusian as well), heritage and for most of them ethnicity question is difficult to answer and is rather secondary (not writers, politicians, but artists, scholars).
Eg. This kind of confusion:
lt.wikipedia
Boleslovas Mykolas Ruseckas – Lietuvos dailininkas/Lithuanian painter (painter of Lithuania)
pl.wikipedia
Bolesław Michał Rusiecki (ur. 23 listopada 1824 w Rzymie) – polski malarz/Polish painter (of Poland or Polish?; of already historical Poland or then yet contemporary?; of Polish Kingdom or of Commonwealth?).
English language speakers are not aware of these subtleties of the region and differences of the meanings of terms in other languages.
Thanks for Your thoughts.
Žemėpatis (talk) 06:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question: Nationality or cultural belonging?