Talk:Real Irish Republican Army

message: See this. So where are we going to put the new article, assuming we're creating one (which might not be the case yet, there's no immediate rush). 2 lines of K303 19:08, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Oh great

message: This is just a throwaway line claiming the [Provisional] IRA have disbanded. It gives no indication as to the source of this claim, or when it happened, and there hasn't been any announcement of it happening either. In my opinion, it clearly doesn't meet the requirement for an exceptional source for what is an exceptional claim. 2 lines of K303 21:06, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Exceptional claims require exceptional sources

message: I've seen numerous articles in the guardian that say their numbers are around 700 after their recent merger. I can't find those articles right now but I did find one that says about 600 people are members. So I think 700-600 is a decent number.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19014981  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onthehook (talk • contribs) 02:20, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The BBC article says "600 people involved in dissident republican activity"; it doesn't specify Real IRA. The Italian article links to this Irish Times article of October 2010, which says "membership of the different groupings is now over 600", again without saying how many of those are Real IRA. Best to wait until there is something specific.  Scolaire (talk) 14:31, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strength 

message: The "Merge with other groups" section—which has been copied verbatim into the lead—says that "the Real IRA would subsequently cease to exist as a separate entity." However, newspaper and television reports of the death and funeral of Alan Ryan in September 2012 all refer to the Real IRA, not to the "new group". I think that that bit should come out, or at least out of the lead, since there is no evidence that it reflects the reality on the ground.  Scolaire (talk) 14:45, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cease to exist? 

message: I want to float this idea before going to an RM. It seems to me that there is no such organisation as the "Real Irish Republican Army". It is referred to by the media and in books as the "Real IRA", and of course it refers to itself simply as the "Irish Republican Army". Here is Google News for "Real Irish Republican Army" versus Google News for "Real IRA". And here is the Google Ngram for "Real Irish Republican Army" v "Real IRA". Per COMMONNAME this should be moved to Real IRA, and the abbreviation expanded/explained in the lead.  Scolaire (talk) 22:43, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree Apollo The Logician (talk) 16:47, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: How significant is it that the RIRA is on the New Zealand list of terrorists? Have they carried out attacks there? Have they carried out fundraising there on any scale? Is New Zealand a major world power? Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.  --Scolaire (talk) 22:38, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: NZ is a member of the British Commonwealth.  It is also a very strategically important part of the West's Pacific defense, due to its location. 98.67.185.241 (talk) 22:39, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: West Pacific defense doesn't seem incredibly big when talking about internal Irish conflict. Torisien (talk) 14:29, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Zealand terrorist list 

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message: Clearly, the New IRA is a new group formed through the mergers. Several journalists have said that the Real IRA is now inactive, which isn't a surprise considering we've got the New IRA since 2012. Is it time to create a new New IRA article and call the Real IRA defunct? --Gateshead001 (talk) 16:16, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I am of the opinion that the New IRA should be part of a new article. If we can build enough evidence to state that the Real IRA is inactive (which should be easy enough, in my opinion) then we can start working on an article for the new group. st170etalk 18:37, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time for a new article? 

message: The media refers to them as different organizations, the media is a reliable source. The New IRA is a merger of RIRA and other groups not the real IRA itself. Apollo The Logician (talk) 14:41, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: See above RfC. Edits on controversial topics such as this should only take place with consensus. st170etalk 14:42, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Care to comment then? Apollo The Logician (talk) 14:44, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Yes the RIRA is defunct. All sources above say so. Apollo The Logician (talk) 22:18, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

text: The above RfC concluded that consensus doesn't exist to split the articles or consensus to refer to them as different organisations. st170e 10:04, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we merge the two articles then? Charles Essie (talk) 15:04, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It is from my understanding that the author of the New IRA page copied the information from the RIRA in a cut+paste move. We could just revert that. st170e 01:01, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  RIRA and New IRA  

message: Since a separate article has been created for the New Irish Republican Army, should we declare RIRA defunct on this page or should we merge the two articles? Charles Essie (talk) 22:02, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes the RIRA is defunct. All sources above say so. Apollo The Logician (talk) 22:18, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

text: The above RfC concluded that consensus doesn't exist to split the articles or consensus to refer to them as different organisations. st170e 10:04, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we merge the two articles then? Charles Essie (talk) 15:04, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It is from my understanding that the author of the New IRA page copied the information from the RIRA in a cut+paste move. We could just revert that. st170e 01:01, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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message: I will be amending this to make it conform to references. On occasion the references are not clear whether a town/city or county is being referred to, on others the inclusion of certain areas is completely contradicted by the references.
Black Operations says . Janes says  and 
There can be no justification for the inclusion of Derry or County Kerry, based on what the references actually say. FDW777 (talk) 15:54, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins section 

message: "A fictionalised version of the Real IRA, named the True IRA" is unreferenced. "One of its main characters Chibs Telford, is an excommunicated member" is unreferenced. "Some parts of the third season is even filmed and set in Northern Ireland" is unreferenced. Please stop disrupting this article. FDW777 (talk) 07:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In Popular culture" section