Talk:List of Germanic and Latinate equivalents in English

message: Here is the row I've removed from the article:
(OHG heim + sioh)	homesick	nostalgic	nostos + -algia
The word nostalgic has nothing to do with Latin: it's a pure-blooded Greek coinage.
Adam78 16:37, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Nostalgic removed

message: While both corporal and corporeal can be used to indicate something 'of the body' (i.e. derived from latinate corpus), I cannot say I have come across non-root usages without the additional 'e'. Corporal has a number of different meanings that muddle its usage here a bit, esp. corporal punishment, which might seem to indicate that the word could be taken to mean 'of the body, particularly that of a child'. Whereas corporeal (at least I believe) is relatively unambiguous. Just searching one versus the other on WP gives the military use of 'corporal', but the intended use for corporeal, and a quick search of Google brings up six pages that are utilizing different meanings of the word. Granted, there is a full context surrounding the word as to its intended use here, but for demonstrative purposes corporal is usually only used in this sense as an alternate root for corporeal in more complex ideas (e.g. corporal mortification of Opus Dei, or corporally weakened vis-a-vis corporeally weakened).Jay the Despicable 08:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Corporal/Corporeal"

message: I added vowels w/ macrons to indicate long vowels in Germanic and Latin.  Latin's long vowels come from a Latin-English dictionary I have.  I also modified at least Germanic words to correlate w/ the latest etymologies presented at http://www.bartleby.com/61/IEroots.html from the American Heritage Dictionary, fourth edition.  Note that voiced stops and fricatives, such as d and ð, are allophones of the same phoneme, /d/, in Germanic.  As a result that should be spelt as such despite occasionally giving different representations in later Germanic languages.
:Now they are no longer visible on non-Unicode compliant browsers.  Is there any HTML way to display a macron, sort of how é will display an accent-marked "e"?  (And I don't mean the &unicode-number-here;)  That way, maybe it will display semi-correctly on w3m.  I'll look into this.  -- 66.44.3.209, 18:38, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A good example with no connotative difference that I am aware of is hawk/falcon (FR:faucon). --belg4mit 71.192.58.23 16:45, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macrons 

message: Do we have some sort of List of English and Norse equivalents in the English lexicon, such as shell=skull, shirt=skirt etc.? dab (ᛏ) 12:03, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: numb=taken, wort=root, warp/throw=cast, hide=skin, heaven=sky, shear=score etc. A problem here, as well, is that many of the original English words have been removed or shifted in meaning. 81.232.72.148 23:03, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: wrath=anger, starve=die, wave=billow, bridegroom=husband (The list is still a big mess of words' modern and original meanings...) 81.232.72.148 23:14, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

text: OK, I thought he wanted a similar list as this one. In this list, the examples are quite mixed, though. I can spot a few cognates going back to the same root, although the main bulk seems to be unrelated: 
 brotherly=fraternal, cow=bovine, first=primary, (fatherly=paternal), fox=vulpine(?), 
 hound=canine,  know=recognize, length=longitude(?), motherly=maternal,  
 motherly=maternal,  new=novel, nightly=nocturnal, wolf=lupine(?)
85.226.122.237 21:49, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Norse

message: An interesting point that could be made in this article:
Because the Normans were the ruling classes of England, and the Anglo-Saxons were the workers, English words for meat are often different name to the animal, because it was the Anglo-Saxons who reared the animals, but it was the Normans who would consume it.
 Pork comes from Pig
 Beef comes from Cows
 Mutton comes from Sheep (although obviously eating Lamb is more a lot more popular now)
 Venison comes from Deer
 And poultry is usually only used in connection with food
:Yeah, I heard about that theory, but I also read that the distinction is a more modern one, and it wasn't used like that in the actual Norman era. 85.226.122.205 18:34, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Poultry might be derivtaive of FR:poulet, and in French volaille is used to refer to poultry (or fowl). --belg4mit 71.192.58.23 16:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Farm animals and meat 

message: Since this page is entirely about word etymologies, I was wondering what y'all'd think about expanding those sections to be more informative about the words' histories. In particular, it could be interesting to see how different words in one language (PIE) changed in meaning over time in two different daughter lanbguages and eventually became synonyms in English—or, even more interestingly, those words where the Germanic and Latinate have the same PIE root, changed from each other in meaning over time, only to re-converge in English, substantially altered in form. And it won't be much of a leap from what we're doing now, since there are already a number of reconstructed forms on the list. Here's a sample of what it might look like:
Germanic source                                                                              	Germanic  	Latinate	Latin source
Old Norse angr ("sorrow") > PIE *angh- ("painful")Old English wræþþo > PIE *wer- ("to twist")	angerwrath	rageire 	Late L. rabia > L. rabiēs > rabere ("to rave")L. īra > PIE *eis- ("passion")
WGmc *aiskōn > PIE *ais- ("to wish")                                                         	ask       	inquire 	L. inquirere > in ("into") + quaerere ("to seek")
Old English bæc > Gmc *bakam                                                                 	back (n)  	dorsal  	Late L. dorsalis > L. dorsualis >  dorsum
Middle English biginnen > WGmc be + *ginnan                                                  	begin     	commence	Late L. com + initiāre > L. initium ("beginning") > PIE *ei- ("to go")
-Silence 17:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if it would make the article lose some focus. Could be interesting, though. Should "be-" and "co-", etc. also be derived from PIE roots, in that case? 惑乱 分からん 12:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More in-depth etymologies?

message: --CopyToWiktionaryBot 08:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automated pywikipediabot message 

message: Why are the removed words worse than the others? Too large semantic shifts? 2nd, I don't think we should use PG forms for words such as talk (unclear origin) and mistake (loanword), anyway. 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * (talk) 18:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed words?

message: What purpose, exactly, does this page serve?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.131.91.145 (talk) 06:06, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: English vocabulary is largely drawn from German and Latin because historically they were two different languages, and as a consequence there is a lot of redundancy.  This list documents that. Quantumelfmage (talk) 03:06, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: EH?

message: Before I found this article I had begun making a wordlist of my own, as I had a lot of writing/typing to do (and a soft-spot for Plain English and Anglish). It can be found here. 
I would like the page to be a kind of "to-do list" for this article. You're welcome to add more words, although I'd prefer the layout to be kept the same (a plain list without the etymologies).
Thanks. ~Asarlaí 21:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of words to be added 

message: In the "doublets" section, animals subsection, "kangaroo" is listed as a Germanic word. Really? Ancient Germanic peoples had knowledge of kangaroos?? Did they visit Australia then?? I always thought kangaroo was supposed to be derived from an Australian Aboriginal word. --Smcg8374 (talk) 13:00, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed kangaroo, along with tortoise and ostrich - according to Online Etymology Dictionary, one of the sources listed for this article, these are not Germanic in origin. --Smcg8374 (talk) 05:09, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kangaroo Germanic?? 

message: Perform has Latin origin : PERFORMARE (PER: do it well or scrutinizingly, and FORMARE > to give a form)
12:42, 8 May 2013.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.144.65.85 (talk)  
: Refer to the Etymology section of . The short of it seems to be: no,  '-form' does not come from Latin, it's a derivation related to 'frame'. Anglom (talk) 20:42, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perform Germanic??! 

message: Would anyone mind if I updated the Proto-Germanic words listed to be more in-line with the Wiktionary standard? To be clear, I don't mean linking to Wiktionary, but replacing the infinitive ending '-an' with '-ą', and so on. Anglom (talk) 20:53, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating the Proto-Germanic 

message: I think it would make sense to separate the words that were originally Germanic but nevertheless came into English through French/Norman from those that came directly from Old English (or Old Norse). Since putting them into a separate column would be difficult due to the layout of the table, perhaps a footnote should be added to them. Perhaps something similar should be done for words borrowed from Latin directly into Old English or even into Proto-Germanic, such as street. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 15:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree: abandon, allegiance, rank, buoy, herald, guide, burgeon, regard, banquet, gallivant are French/Norman derived words. Etiquette, chagrin, chic, guise, boulevard are even French words, not English ones. 41.221.193.173 (talk) 13:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Words with Germanic origins that came into English through French