Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/May 4

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*1970 - The Ohio National Guard shot at students in Kent State University protesting the United States invasion of Cambodia.
They more than "shot at students" - they killed four students and wounded nine students, one of whom has been paralyzed for 37 years as a result, on the campus of Kent State University. This is taking NPOV to an extreme, and in fact I believe it is misleading.   These facts are not in dispute whatsoever, and they are crucial.  For the first time in US history, armed soldiers  were brought onto a US campus where they shot and killed four students and wounded nine, one of them for life.  You do a disservice to the truth to characterize it as merely "shot at"  when there were deaths and grievous injury  and  saying "students in Kent State University" which does not clearly state that the protest and shootings were on campus.   I hope this can be fixed quickly,  before it scrolls off.  Thank you. 
It should read something like: 
*1970 - The Ohio National Guard shot and killed four students on the Kent State University campus who were protesting the United States invasion of Cambodia.  Nine other students were wounded, one of whom is paralyzed for life.
Tvoz |talk 19:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No matter how many bullets reached the students's bodies, this is still the first time in history when armed soldiers were brought onto a US campus to shoot at students. --74.13.126.166 20:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that is correct, but it doesn't say that either.  All it says is they shot at students.   Killing them is worse than shooting at them, wouldn't you agree?  To not say that is a distortion of the event and of the truth. Tvoz |talk 21:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mentioning the 4 deaths seems okay, as there is ample room. I don't see any distortion either way. --74.13.126.166 02:01, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors in ''Selected anniversaries''/''On this day''

message: 4 May is Independence day in Latvia and, considering that it was made public holiday and flag day few years ago, shouldn`t this be added (in the first line, I mean) ? ~~Xil (talk) 22:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latvian independence day 

message: Why is there no mention of the Kent State shootings?  May 4 is an important anniversary- 40 years - from the day that American National Guardsmen shot and killed 4 students on an American college campus who were protesting the expansion of the Vietnam War into Cambodia. This belongs on the front page of Wikipedia.  Tvoz/talk 03:16, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps because the ITN section features so much American news? :-) --candle•wicke 04:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Really?  I see only one such American news story for May 4 - from 1886. Tvoz/talk 04:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, I see you said "ITN" - I was talking about "OTD".  However, my point still holds - there is only one "American" story in On this Day today, and I fail to see what relevance that has as a determinant of whether a significant anniversary should be front-page noted. Tvoz/talk 05:06, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

text: That, and Kent State shootings#Monday, May 4 currently has an 'orange'- or 'red'-level article tag. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:22, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  That tag should have been removed long ago - there are 68 footnotes and a long list of sources in the "Further reading" and "External links". The tag is gone now.   More to the point - this is a significant anniversary of a significant event, and Wikipedia's front page should not be silent on it.  Tvoz/talk 04:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Furthermore, ZZyZZx11, please take a look at Remembrance of the Dead  which is listed as the top item in today's On This Day and actually has an article-level orange tag which is far worse than the tag that had been on one section of the Kent State article; same for Greenery Day which is also a top item today in On This Day, yet also has an orange tag.  Obviously that is not the reason the anniversary of the Kent State shootings has not been listed, and I strenuously object to this.  Tvoz/talk 05:06, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if I hide those two holidays, there is still only room to list 5 events at a time. I'd like to field some opinions on which one should be substituted, or else we can wait until the main page needs to "re-balance" to warrant a sixth one. I'm unwilling to unilaterally remove one that is already being displayed without some type of consensus, because if the roles were reversed, and I unilaterally removed the Kent State shootings article for the sole reason to post one that is "more significant or notable" IMO, you'd probably be complaining too. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:37, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Force me to make a choice, and I'd get rid of the Battle of the Coral Sea, but I have a hard time saying that the Kent State incident is of greater importance than any of the things listed there already.  Bradjamesbrown (talk) 12:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kent shootings (moved from WP:ERRORS) 

message: This file is used here in violation of WP:NFCC #9. It can not be used and must be removed. Please do so ASAP. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 21:05, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: VernoWhitney (talk) 17:50, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Kent State massacre.jpg]] 

message: No to May Fourth Movement? 66.108.223.179 (talk) 10:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has maintenance tags on it, making it ineligible. —howcheng  {chat} 04:47, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes to Star Wars Day... 

message: Since it is protected now and I might forget later - the title of the holiday was recently changed to Restoration of Independence day, because using just independence with no restoration is considered somewhat controversial ~~Xil (talk) 12:26, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct tile of Latvian independence day 

message: *Moved to Ineligible: Royal Canadian Navy (maintenance); Greenpeace (maintenance)
*Omitted: Battle of Tewkesbury; Kent State shootings
*Included: Inter caetera (4th appearance, last in 2010); Haymarket affair (6th appearance, last in 2010)
*Repeats: Spanish Constitution of 1812 (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Battle of the Coral Sea (5th consecutive appearance, 6 total; 70th anniversary); Margaret Thatcher (2nd consecutive appearance, 7 total)
No new articles this year. :( —howcheng  {chat} 16:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2012 notes 

message: *Deleted: William Walker (filibuster) (moved to May 3: wrong date); Greenpeace (moved to October 5: date not in article)
*Omitted: Inter caetera; Spanish Constitution of 1812; Haymarket affair; Battle of the Coral Sea; Margaret Thatcher
*Included: Engelbrekt Engelbrektsson (first appearance); Ancient Order of Hibernians (first appearance); Grammy Awards (first appearance); HMS Sheffield (D80) (first appearance)
*Repeats: On the Restoration of Independence of the Republic of Latvia (2nd consecutive appearance as blurb, 5 total)
*Note: On the Restoration of Independence of the Republic of Latvia (Restoration of Independence Day) removed from observances this year as the article is included in the blurbs
—howcheng  {chat} 09:32, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2013 notes 

message: *Omitted: Engelbrekt Engelbrektsson; Ancient Order of Hibernians; Grammy Awards; HMS Sheffield (D80); On the Restoration of Independence of the Republic of Latvia
*Included: Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations (first appearance); Spanish Constitution of 1812 (3rd appearance, last in 2012; 200th anniversary); Battle of the Coral Sea (7th appearance, last in 2012); Ken Livingstone (first appearance)
*Repeats: Manaslu (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 40th anniversary)
—howcheng  {chat} 07:03, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  2014 notes 

message: *Omitted: Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations; Spanish Constitution of 1812; Manaslu; Ken Livingstone
*Included: Inter caetera (5th appearance, last in 2012); Haymarket affair (7th appearance, last in 2012); Kent State shootings (4th appearance, last in 2011); On the Restoration of Independence of the Republic of Latvia (7th appearance, last in 2013; 25th anniversary)
*Repeats: Battle of the Coral Sea (2nd consecutive appearance, 8 total)
—howcheng  {chat} 09:23, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  2015 notes 

message: *New articles (unused): Parliament House (Malta)
*Omitted: Star Wars Day (ineligible—maintenance); Inter caetera; Haymarket affair; Battle of the Coral Sea; Kent State shootings; On the Restoration of Independence of the Republic of Latvia
*Included: Engelbrekt Engelbrektsson (2nd appearance, last in 2013); Spanish Constitution of 1812 (4th appearance, last in 2014); Ancient Order of Hibernians (2nd appearance, last in 2013); German surrender at Lüneburg Heath (first appearance); Margaret Thatcher (8th appearance, last in 2012)
—howcheng  {chat} 05:31, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  2016 notes 

message: May 4 is Cassinga Day in Namibia, a national holiday remembering the Battle of Cassinga in Angola. Too late or too stubby to include? --Pgallert (talk) 14:37, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Too stubby, sorry. The battle article needs maintenance, so that's no good either. —howcheng  {chat} 00:20, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cassinga Day 

message: *Moved to Ineligible: Battle of the Coral Sea (TFA for 2017); Superga air disaster (maintenance); Grammy Award (maintenance); Kent State shootings (maintenance)
*New articles (ineligible): Peter Minuit (maintenance)
*Omitted: Engelbrekt Engelbrektsson (ineligible—maintenance); Spanish Constitution of 1812 (ineligible—maintenance); Ancient Order of Hibernians; German surrender at Lüneburg Heath (ineligible—maintenance); Margaret Thatcher
*Included: Inter caetera (6th appearance, last in 2015); Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations (2nd appearance, last in 2014); Haymarket affair (8th appearance, last in 2015); Manaslu (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Parliament House (Malta) (first appearance); Herman II, Duke of Swabia (first appearance); Audrey Hepburn (first appearance); Christian de Duve (first appearance)
—howcheng  {chat} 04:21, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  2017 notes 

message: *Omitted: Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations; Haymarket affair; Manaslu; Parliament House (Malta); Herman II, Duke of Swabia; Audrey Hepburn; Christian de Duve
*Included: 1780 Epsom Derby (first appearance); Battle of the Coral Sea (9th appearance, last in 2015; rescued from Ineligible); PEPCON disaster (first appearance); Ken Livingstone (2nd appearance, last in 2014); John Nevison (first appearance); Julia Gardiner Tyler (first appearance); Kanō Jigorō (first appearance)
*Repeats: Inter caetera (2nd consecutive appearance, 7 total)
—howcheng  {chat} 07:18, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that it's necessary. The blurb here is just a teaser to get people to read the linked article, where it can be detailed. —howcheng  {chat} 17:22, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  2018 notes 

message: *New articles (unused): Nettie Stevens
*Omitted: Inter caetera; 1780 Epsom Derby; Battle of the Coral Sea; PEPCON disaster; Ken Livingstone; John Nevison; Julia Gardiner Tyler; Kanō Jigorō
*Included: Ancient Order of Hibernians (3rd appearance, last in 2016); Haymarket affair (9th appearance, last in 2017); Margaret Thatcher (9th appearance, last in 2016; 40th anniversary); Parliament House (Malta) (2nd appearance, last in 2017); Richard Graves (first appearance); Audrey Hepburn (2nd appearance, last in 2017; 90th birthday); Lillian Estelle Fisher (first appearance)
—howcheng  {chat} 17:27, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  2019 notes 

message: *New articles (ineligible): Michael L. Gernhardt (POTD for 2020)
*New articles (unused): William H. Prescott; Walter Walsh
*Omitted: Ancient Order of Hibernians; Haymarket affair; Margaret Thatcher; Parliament House (Malta); Richard Graves; Audrey Hepburn; Lillian Estelle Fisher
*Included: Inter caetera (8th appearance, last in 2018); Manaslu (4th appearance, last in 2017); On the Restoration of Independence of the Republic of Latvia (8th appearance, last in 2015; 30th anniversary); Ken Livingstone (3rd appearance, last in 2018; 20th anniversary); Julia Gardiner Tyler (2nd appearance, last in 2018; 100th birthday); Gotse Delchev (first appearance); Amos Oz (first appearance)
—howcheng  {chat} 16:54, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  2020 notes 

message: *Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Michael L. Gernhardt
*New articles (ineligible): Tipu Sultan (maintenance)
*Omitted: Inter caetera; On the Restoration of Independence of the Republic of Latvia; Ken Livingstone; Julia Gardiner Tyler; Gotse Delchev; Amos Oz
*Included: Engelbrekt Engelbrektsson (3rd appearance, last in 2016; rescued from Ineligible); 1780 Epsom Derby (2nd appearance, last in 2018); Battle of the Coral Sea (10th appearance, last in 2018); William H. Prescott (first appearance; 225th birthday); Franklin Carmichael (first appearance); Carl von Ossietzky (first appearance)
*Repeats: Manaslu (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)
—howcheng  {chat} 07:02, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  2021 notes 

message: *New articles (ineligible): Michael L. Gernhardt (maintenance)
*Omitted: Engelbrekt Engelbrektsson; 1780 Epsom Derby; Battle of the Coral Sea; Manaslu; William H. Prescott; Carl von Ossietzky
*Included: Inter caetera (9th appearance, last in 2020); Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations (3rd appearance, last in 2017); HMS Sheffield (D80) (2nd appearance, last in 2013; 40th anniversary); Parliament House (Malta) (3rd appearance, last in 2019); Herman II, Duke of Swabia (2nd appearance, last in 2017); Amos Oz (2nd appearance, last in 2020)
*Repeats: Battle of the Coral Sea (2nd consecutive appearance, 11 total); Franklin Carmichael (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)
—howcheng  {chat} 06:56, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  2022 notes