Talk:Ecological succession

message: I remove the following bits from the introduction:
Bacteria allows for the cycling of nutrients such as carbon, nitrogen and sulphu.
because it is completely out of context. Removing this part is more delicate, so I justify it below
 
The community begins with relatively few pioneering plants and animals and develops through increasing complexity until it becomes stable or self-perpetuating as a climax community. The "engine" of succession, the cause of ecosystem change, is the impact of established organisms upon their own environments. A consequence of living is the sometimes subtle and sometimes overt alteration of one's own environment.[1] 
However, it makes several implicit assumptions on how succession proceeds. Firstly, not all organisms are plants and animals. Second, in secondary succession non-pioneering organisms may persist. To continue, I find innecessary the use of abstractions such as "engine" to explain the concept, which makes it obscure. Also, it is not true that every succession achieves a steady state (i.e. a climax), a simple example is a pulsed environemnt in which oscillations are continuosly observed. And finally, the last philosophical sentence makes again the explanation obscure. Since the next paragraph is a streamlined and neat explanation, I remove it. Conjugado (talk) 09:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction streamlined

message: Part of this page was based on information once at an article called Vegetation succession. The page history of this is now at Talk:Ecological succession/Page history.
Moved the following idiosyncratic addition (it was also not integrated properly into article) from the main article.  Addition is also full of external links to the author's website, rather than internal wikilinks to wikipedia articles which makes it look like a case of self-promotion. --Lexor 14:11, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved addition

message: If a tree falls in a forest, and no ecologist is there to see it, does it make a gap? Yes, and this gap will lead to an increase in diversity, in contrast to the generalisation made above in regards to the 2nd law. It has also made it more complex, if we use information theory to quantify complexity. Sucession will undo this disturbance, leading the ecosystem towards a less diverse and less complex state. Other examples point to different trajectories, but I am wary of the statement in the first paragraph that requires complexity to necessarily increase. Daniel Collins 19:44, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Simple vs. Complex

message: I've just created a stub for Secondary succession, following a request at WP:AFC. I'm not a biologist though, so it would be good if someone knowledgeable about the subject could expand it. Also, it may be the case that this page covers the same subject better, so that a redirect may be more useful. Leithp (talk) 14:35, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seondary succession 

message: I read again the Stochastic page, (I put the wiki in for stachastic), and I think I see why the succession is not always predictable. I see the actions going according to these three Functions:
:1–the Environmental factors (including genetic factors).
:2–Time (occurs over finite, changing, periods), and can speed up, or slow.
:3–the Generations, (of all the involved species).
Michael,in the Sonoran Desert, Mmcannis 15:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The wiki for [[Stochastic|stochastic]]

message: Hey folks, I know this is an involved sophisticated topic in a specific field, but it's hard for the layperson to follow this article with all the terms of art used. If someone can make take a pass at slowing it down a bit for noobs, that would be loverly. jengod 22:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Readability

message: Ecological succession is a very important topic for forest management. It is particularly connected to shade tolerance. One paragraph in the present article makes a short reference to it: "Many species are specialized to exploit disturbances. In forests of northeastern North America trees such as Betula papyrifera (White birch) and Prunus serotina (Black cherry) are particularly well-adapted to exploit large gaps in forest canopies, but are intolerant of shade and are eventually replaced by other (shade-tolerant) species in the absence of disturbances that create such gaps." 
I think it would be positive to expand a little bit this content, and place it under a new heading with title Forest succession. If there are no objections, or better proposals I will proceed with this.--Auró (talk) 17:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Forest succession

message: Can somebody who knows what they're talking about clarify on this page and on seral community whether "sere" is synonymous with "seral stage", or if it refers to the entire series of seral stages.  I believe it's the latter, and thus the seral community and  sere disambuigation  pages are wrong, but I'm not confident about this...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason75 (talk • contribs) 06:34, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Proper definition for "sere"

message: Since Clements’s theories appeared before Gleason's, I propose to change the title to "Gleason vs. Clements".--Auró (talk) 20:50, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clements ''vs.'' Gleason 

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