Talk:Robert Stewart, Viscount Castlereagh

message: Stewart became the Marquess of Londonderry, but historically he is known as Lord Castlereagh. Using his highest title would give him an unrecognisable name. I have thus used his most commonly recognised title with his name. JtdIrL 19:49 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
:I'm not sure that he ever succeeded to his father's title, did he? Deb 19:57 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
I'm not sure. I just followed what the article stated. JtdIrL 22:01 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
:Yes, you're right, he was briefly Marquess.  Some of the places I looked it up didn't mention it, and some had him down as being the son of the Second Marquess  -- possibly because of the earl/marquess change. Deb 17:57 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)
:Hm... slight problem, perhaps. His father was also briefly 'Robert Stewart, Viscount Castlereagh' until he was created an earl. Do we just ignore this?Mintguy 23:27, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add a disambig soon. But I have a question: the article mentions that someone told Castlereagh to "consult a physician", and he committed suicide thereafter. Did he commit suicide because he was paranoid and thought "consult a physician" meant something else? Or did he commit suicide because he was insane? I can't really find the reasoning in that in the article, or maybe I'm just not looking hard enough... ugen64 16:28, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)
In terms of the disambiguation, I don't think it's terribly important - his father was only known as Viscount Castlereagh for a year, between 1795 and 1796, when he became Earl of Londonderry.  As to the latter part, Castlereagh was being blackmailed for supposedly being a homosexual.  The "consult a physician" bit does not seemed to have caused his suicide.  it was just the king's response to this news, which was hardly encouraging for Castlereagh. john k 16:37, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: I added that final para. IIRC no-one has ever been sure whether there really was a blackmailer ot whether it was in Castlereagh's head. I think perhaps that King was intending suggest that Castlereagh needed to seek medical advice because he thought that the blackmail was in Castlereagh's mind. Or pehaps the words were intended to suggest the Castlereagh consult a physician to "cure him" of homosexual tendencies, or perhaps the King just wanted to get rid of him and the response satistfied either situation. I don't have a citation for the quotes, I have to admit I read it on the web somewhere. Mintguy (T) 18:14, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 2003-2004 

message: General consensus has been that he should remain at Viscount Castlereagh, as that is how he is best known.  So I have moved him back. john k 01:50, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Move 

message: Pray tell, why can't the article begin with his style? Thesocialistesq 04:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Most Honourable 

message: How would one pronounce "Castlereagh"?
:"Caa-sul-ray". Proteus (Talk) 15:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a Castlereagh Street in Sydney (Australia). I have heard the pronunciation "Castlerock" there. --82.135.90.142 (talk) 22:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  -rah or -rey? 

message: I have reviewed this article according to the GA criteria and have failed the article at this time. The article is lacking any inline citations which is a requirement under the criteria. It would also be beneficial to add an infobox; look at WP:Bio for which one to use. Headings should only have the first word capitalized unless the word is a proper noun (Decline and Death should be Decline and death). Once you have addressed these issues, and have looked over the rest of the criteria, consider renominating again. Also consider getting a peer review to see how the article can be improved further. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 06:21, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA quick-failed

message: Hello, here are my comments.
*Ensure in-line citations are placed according to WP:CITE.  Also, it's a lot nicer if the references are given titles rather than their simple URL's being shown at the bottom in the references section.  See WP:REF for more on this.
*Early career and Ireland section contains several short paragraphs, I'd prefer to see them flowed together to form one or two larger paragraphs.
*In Back in cabinet and the duel with Canning section, do tensions really cool or do they relax?  Just read a bit strange to me!
*Avoid single-sentence paragraphs.
*Tenses are a bit mixed, i.e. "Later, he would learn..." vs "Stewart was elected..." for example.
*(Just an aside, I found abstruse difficult to understand, so I looked it up and it turned out to mean... well... difficult to understand...!)
*Last half of Decline and death section lacks citation, in particular statements like "His funeral on August 20 was greeted with jeering and insults along the processional route, although not to the level of unanimity projected in the radical press." need attribution otherwise may be considered original research.
*When using paper references, it's best to actually cite the pages used as well as the books themselves, for a more thorough set of references.
*Why is this categorised as :Category:LGBT history of the United Kingdom?
So, I'll put the GA review on hold for the time being, attend to these points and get back to me for a re-review.  Cheers. The Rambling Man 07:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA revisited 

message: Castlereagh's article is in :Category:LGBT history of the United Kingdom because he was blackmailed for being homosexual - and in fact probably committed suicide for that very reason.  I've replaced the cat and the project banner. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 07:58, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well can it be referenced in the text with a citation then please?  I can't find any mention of this in the article so it's unclear why it's tagged as such and should be removed unless suitable citable text is added.  The Rambling Man 08:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a ref to the quote. Let me know if you think the article (which is now on my watchlist) needs that section to be clearer. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 08:19, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great, but can we be even more specific in the text so that a non-familiar reader can understand the relevance of the blackmailing was?  After all, you can be blackmailed for an awful number of things so I think you should make it clear that it was related to him being (accused of being) homosexual.  The Rambling Man 08:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A little clearer?  Does anything else need to be said? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 08:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's perfect I think.  The Rambling Man 08:53, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a sentence making it clear that we don't know if he really was homosexual or bisexual, or if instead it was a function of his paranoia. I still think that this one statement, made under considerable duress, is a pretty flimsy reason to include him in the LGBT category, but I suppose it doesn't hurt. -- The_socialist talk? 21:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The source I added says "There is no evidence to show that Castlereagh had any homosexual inclinations, although he has been credited with them." - .  But it doesn't back that up with anything.  I'll see if I can find anything more for that. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone have ? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  LGBT History 

message: Hello folks, sorry it's been a few days but I've been out of the country.  I've looked over the changes made and I'm pleased to say that I think it's in a much better state.  I've added a Further reading section as the in-line references and the bullet list of texts didn't look great.  Anyway, enough of that, I'm promoting the article to GA and congratulate those involved in getting the article there.  All the best, The Rambling Man 15:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA revisited, pass 

message: The article states: "In Ireland he is always regarded, particularly by nationalists, as a traitor." I can find nothing in the given citation [] to support this. Moreover "always... particularly by nationalists" seems unlikely, since what nationalists would regard as treason (against Ireland, presumably) unionists would regard rather as praiseworthy.
I'm removing the line. If someone can find a supporting citation, a statement of the form "Irish nationalists regard[ed] him as..." might be in order.  - Paul (talk) 00:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarded in Ireland...

message: In the table at the bottom of this article it is not listed that Castlereagh was first elected to the Irish House of Commons in 1790 as a representative for county Down - although this is said in the text.
The table lists him as having been elected to represent Limavady in 1798 - I suspect though he never took up this seat as at the same time he was re-elected to County Down.  The Limavady seat was perhaps a hedge against his possible failure to retain his Down seat.
If my supposition is correct Limavady would perhaps be best removed from the table.  Certainly Down should be there.
Ned of the Hills 217.155.193.205 (talk) 08:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limavady 

message: The article sources the following version from .
:Posterity will ne'er survey
:A nobler grave than this:
:Here lie the bones of Castlereagh:
:Stop, traveller, and piss.
There is another version that, I personally think, is more likely to be correct:
:Posterity will ne'er survey
:A nobler scene than this.
:Here lie the bones of Castlereagh.
:Stop, traveller, and piss.
A quick Google comparison turns up ~370 hits for "grave" and ~250 hits for "scene". 87.234.117.197 (talk) 19:25, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Byron's epitath 

message: Since when did the title 'Marquess of Castlereagh' exist? As I could have sworn that Viscount Castlereagh was still the junior title held by the Marquess's eldest son an awful long time after, as otherwise Churchill wouldn't have referred to "That idiot Charlie Londonderry", whose son sat in the Commons as Viscount Castlereagh?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.148.189 (talk) 19:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the last section, it was an admitted error by . —Tamfang (talk) 06:59, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Whose Stupid Idea?

message: Retain the current name per WP:NCROY. The exception of Lord North should not be followed. Indeed, that too should revert to the format of both his father and son. Also, propose to retain Robert Stewart, Viscount Castlereagh and Lord Castlereagh as re-directs to this page. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:14, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Who says that WP:Common supercedes WP:NCROY? Where is that written? Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:15, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retention permission. 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: move to Robert Stewart, Viscount Castlereagh. WP:NCPEER and WP:COMMONNAME are in agreement. Favonian (talk) 13:36, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
I'm not sure I would strongly oppose Lord Castlereagh myself, but the present title is a clear improvement on the previous one. PatGallacher (talk) 17:41, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: Note 4: "Stewart ... persed his son to stand for the seat ..." Did you mean "pursed" (although that would be verbing a noun)? "pursued"? "dispersed"? Art LaPella (talk) 16:47, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persed 

message: The second para contains the statement "Much more than prime minister Lord Liverpool, he was responsible for the repressive domestic measures."
As far as I can see, there's no evidence in the article to support this (nor in the standard biographies). It would be true to say, as it implies in the 'Decline and Death' section that his role as Leader of the House led to an association in the public mind with repressive acts, but he was no more personally responsible than any other member of cabinet, and rather less than Addington (and, probably, Liverpool). 
Will edit the original sentence if no one objects  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.174.69 (talk) 09:40, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Responsibility for repressive measures 

message: Elliott O'Donnell in his book on Gutenberg http://www.gutenberg.org/files/40823/40823-h/40823-h.htm describes a "yellow boy" who showed him how he would kill himself. It's in chapter iii. 104.229.139.131 (talk) 04:23, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  More ghostys 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Castlereagh was instrumental in making the House of Orange kings of the Netherlands. One can argue that without his interference in 1813 this wouldn't have happened. I see it is not mentioned in the article. JRB-Europe (talk) 04:34, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  House of Orange 

message: I would like to reorganise the way sources are cited in the article. I would like to see a list of cited sources and I would like to get rid of the "Further reading" section by citing the sources given there if possible. I would like to use the Sfn template in the text and provide quotes and URLs where possible. I would like to use the Citation template in the list of sources and again give URLs where possible. The references would become much easier to verify as the reader would be in most cases be able to read the relevant part of the source himself with a couple of mouse clicks. I think I need to call for a consensus       before implementing the changes. If there are no objections, I will consider that such a consensus exists and will make the corresponding changes after a delay of a month. Johannes Schade (talk) 15:11, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No objection here. —howcheng  {chat} 16:51, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change Citation Style 

message: This legend seems to be associated with Ballyshannon in Donegal: https://ballyshannon-musings.blogspot.com/2017/11/a-famous-ballyshannon-ghost-story.html
Corby Castle in Cumbria has a similar legend, although no Castlereagh connection: http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/hauntings/corby-castle/ Shtove (talk) 11:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Radiant Boy