Talk:Chabad/Archive 2

message: I edited the section on "Messianism" to make it less offensive and more accurate. As the daughter of one of the "Messianists" who is a shliach, and knowing many more shluchim who believe that the Rebbe is still Moshiach, it is inaccurate to say that "they are rarely given outreach jobs" or are a "fringe group." It's a differing opinion, not a separate religion.
Dina
Hi Dina, would you care to get yourself a mormal "User" name on Wikipedia, it would help a lot. Thank you. IZAK 09:09, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Messianism edit

message: It would greatly help the discussions here, and even help the pro-Chabad writers, if they would simply register at the top of the page as regular Wikipedia contributors, with their own nicks of course. It would facilitate communications and make life easier as we edit our way through life on this Wikipedia project. Thank you and yasher koach. IZAK 09:09, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Please obtain a Wikipedia User ID

message: You need to remove the part that states that some Lubavitcher believe that the Rebbe is an incarnation of G-d, because these people aren't Lubavitchers or Orthodox at all. Just like somone that says that he is Jewish, and then says that he believies in Jes-- isn't representing Judaism, no matter what he says. Whenever there was an individual that said that the Rebbe was an incarnation of G-d, he was excomunicated. There are not any Lubavitch publications that state that he was an incarnation of G-d, just like if a Jew starts a publication which he calls Jewish and starts saying that he believes in Mohammed or Buddah, he isn't considered to be a viewpoint of Judaism. Determining who is Lubavitch, so that he can represent the viewpoint of Lubavitch, would need to be somone that is basing his beliefs on the teachings of the Lubavitcher Rebbes, and those people that say that the Rebbe is an incarnation of G-d, don't take that from the teachings of the Lubavitcher Rebbes, rather it is from themselves or other NON-JEWISH sources!--Truthaboutchabad 23:14, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: They are Lubavitch born, Lubavitch raised, pray in the same synagogues as Lubavitch, etc.  Most importantlly, they consider themselves Lubavitch.  You can't drum them out of Lubavitch because their ideas don't agree with yours. Jayjg 03:00, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: The article says that the said it, not that any are currently saying it.  They certainly said it, didn't they? If you have any evidence that they have since been formally excommunicated, that would be good to add as well. Jayjg 16:55, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: "I have heard" doesn't really count as a source.  Berger documented some of those who did so, and even got their works espousing this view published in Chabad publications.  Calling them "crazy" or "not really Lubavitch" now doesn't change what happened then. Jayjg 22:28, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: He specifically mentions names and publications.  That's not anonymous.  And the publication caused a controversy.  It happened, it's reported here. Jayjg 23:17, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: Well, I'm sure you feel they were "misquotes and lies, done for self promotion". Jayjg 23:54, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: Chabad's position should be presented, but it needs to presented as exactly that, Chabad's position, not "the truth".  Also, it has to be sourced from somewhere, it can't just be your personal beliefs about the Chabad position. Jayjg 02:55, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: OK, now it needs to be presented as the position of these books, not "the Truth". Jayjg 18:22, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: I have dealt with it stylistically. You have finally corrected "writteb", a major step in this argument. JFW | T@lk 08:54, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Heavens, the shaliach is back. JFW | T@lk 10:52, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Who is Lubavitch