Talk:Battle of Königgrätz

message: I'd like to mention that an enlarged, detailed map (or two) would probably be most helpful to make sense of what I've just written. Brutannica 05:28, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends - it seems that at Königgrätz actually more men actually took part in the battle, while Leipzig combatants number is greater only when the total effectives of Allied units (some of which actually came too late to the battlefield to take part in the action) are taken into the account. -78.128.178.105 (talk) 10:12, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
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message: Ensured that the article is within project scope, tagged for task forces, and assessed for class. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008]] 

message: I'd propose, when the Prince Albert is returned to the infobox, to add a footnote, explaining that he commanded the Saxon Army Corps, so as to prevent any possible confusion.Tom soldier (talk) 12:46, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No. I have provided a cite in which he is not mentioned. Unless you provide one where he is, drop this matter. rpeh •T•C•E• 12:50, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Your cite is obviously rather irrelevant here. Anyway, I proposed it the "when he is returned", not as a condition for his return now-.Thank you Tom soldier (talk) 12:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  My cite gives a full list of the commanders. Albert is not on it. Stop being disruptive. rpeh •T•C•E• 12:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please, do read the discussion above. Thank you.Tom soldier (talk) 12:58, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

text:  p.s.:Be careful with your wording - your cite gives a full list of the army commanders.Tom soldier (talk) 12:58, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal 

message: Does anybody have a source for the current casualty figures? The Battle Book gives very different figures:
* Prussia: 1,935 killed and 7,237 wounded
* Austria: 13,000 killed, 18,393 wounded, 13,000 prisoners and 174 guns captured.
These are so different from the current values I didn't want to change them without asking first. rpeh •T•C•E• 09:02, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Geoffrey Wawro lists Benedek’s losses in his book at 20000 killed and wounded and 24000 captured. Significantly less in killed and wounded than those figures but far more POW's. – fdewaele, 5 July 2011, 18:52 CET
The Prussian Official history supports the Prussian casualties of 1,935 killed and 7,237 wounded.  What the official history leaves out are the numbers of missing.  THe Prussian Official History is: Prussian General Staff, Department of Military History, The Campaign of 1866 in Germany, Translated by Colonel von Wright and Captain Henry M. Hozier, (Uckfield, East Sussex: Naval & Military Press, 2005) 
The Austrian after action report claims 5,793 dead, 7,836 missing and presumed dead, 8,514 wounded, 9,291 missing and presumed captured.  Those are the official numbers provided by the Austrian General Staff in support of the Austrian official history.  They are to be found in Vienna at the Kriegsarchiv with the following reference Austrian General Staff. "Verluste der Kiegsfuhrenden im Feldzuge 1866." KA, AFA. Kt. 2274, 1866-13-69. Vienna, June 10, 1871. - Scout1067 (talk) 07:35, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casualties 

message: Shouldn't the book by Geoffrey Wawro (The Austro-Prussian War: Austria's War with Prussia and Italy in 1866, Cambridge University Press, 1997, ) be included in the article? It's one of the more recent books about the topic.
In the book Wawro contents that although the Austrians had a truly incompetent commander in Benedek (plus an incompetent staff), who placed the army at Königgratz in a terrible position (backs to the Elbe), the Austrians did have the posibility to win the battle by envelopping the Prussian left (Fransecky) with superior numbers (3 Corps and various cavalry divisions) before the Prussian crown prince's army arrived at the battlefield. And that in effect his only option to escape the trap was in attacking, which he neglected to do. In effect, between 11:00 and 13:00 - when the Prussian left and center was on the verge of breaking and Moltke feared such a move - various Austrian corps commanders pleaded with Benedek (Mollinary, Ramming, Thun, Ernst,...) to do just that, but were rebuffed or ignored by the vacillitating commander, until it was too late and the Crown Prince arrived. -- fdewaele, 5 July 2011, 18:42 CET.
I agree. Seems almost incomprehensible that an article on the Austro-Prussian war could be written without any reference to Wawro. Extraordinary. 2A00:23C4:49B:F100:10DC:1EE0:BAAE:1708 (talk) 19:15, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wawro 

message: Should we be including mention of fictional figures without specifically stating that they are fictional?  Would it not make more sense to have a section about figures and the battle mentioned in fictional works?Scout1067 (talk) 05:59, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: it was my joke. I just wanted to wikilink the page so that someone sees it and expands. Jabůrek is an almost foregotten precursor of Švejk.   - Altenmann >t 06:18, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kannoneer Jabůrek]] 

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