Talk:As You Like It

message: Can anyone help me with this question? AndyJones 09:23, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At the Royal Shakespeare Company they always pronounce it 'Jake-weez'. Of course, the correct French pronounciation is 'Jzak' (if you see what I mean there). But in Shakespeare's verse the name always has 2 syllables, and 'Jake-weez' is believed to be the way Elizabethan Englishmen pronounced the name. The Singing Badger 12:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. That's pretty close to what someone has already put here, so I think I'll let it stand. AndyJones 14:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The British were actually poking fun at the French, hence the odd — though intentional and deliberate — "mis"-pronunciation of "Jacques".  Thanks.   (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:01, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation of Jacques 

message: removed the statement that the Forest of Arden was not a real place.  It is indeed a forest set outside of Stratford-upon-Avon.  William's mother Mary Arden, was a direct decendent of the original owners of the woodlands.
:The edition that emends Shakespeare's Arden to "Ardennes' should be identified, if it exists. --Wetman 11:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed 

message: I'm not sure I see how "Ganymede" carries "homoerotic" overtones.  Twin Bird 20:17, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homoerotic overtones? 

message: The character list gives Phebe but the synopsis gives Phoebe. Only one can be correct! My memory says Phebe but I don't have an authoritative source to hand. Mooncow 18:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  spellings 

message: I've been looking for a source for George Bernard Shaw saying that the title was an indication of the lowbrow nature of the play.  I can't seem to find the original source, but I did find another article where someone cited the same fact.  The cite given was:
:George Bernard Shaw, “Shakespeare and Mr. Barrie,” rprt. in Bernard Shaw: The Drama Observed, ed. Bernard F. Dukore, 4 vols. (University Park: Pennsylvania State Univ. Press, 1993), 3:937–43, 937.
Since I haven't found this article in my school's library (not a very big library to be admitted), could someone with a larger library verify this as a source and then add it in? Fieari 17:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Bernard Shaw's criticism of the play 

message: This is an encyclopedia.  This encyclopedia article is about the Shakespeare play "As You Like It", and being an encyclopedia article it contains a fairly detailed treatment of the plot.  The plot summary in this article is helpfully labelled as such: "Synopsis".  There is no need for further warning.  This is an encyclopedia, and we're not in the business of insulting the intelligence of the readers. --Tony Sidaway 23:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The matter is being disputed on the proper pages, the ones about the template.  Go dispute it there.Goldfritha 00:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The important edits are to be performed on the article, not the discussions. --Tony Sidaway 00:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevertheless, if you feel that way, you should be trying to overturn the general principle, not the specific case. --Agamemnon2 17:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler tags

message: Added A block quote and reference to an English theatre education website that provides supportive material to the Pastoral entry. I used the ref tag to automatically place a footnote and reference (including the URL) at the bottom of the page. Tanstaafl28 19:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice. Wrad 16:17, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pastoral Reference 

message: Is it known that Shakespeare wrote music or had music written for the songs in the play? Since it is suggested in the article that the earliest performance may have been well after his death, he may not have had to write music for any performance. I know music that any "original" music no longer exists, but is it known whether there actually was music written by or for Shakespeare? TheHYPO (talk) 16:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music? 

message: I wonder if the article should more accurately state that the "forest of Arden" could be a sexual pun on his mother's name Mary Arden (that is, originating from her sexual organ). CoolDream (talk) 14:29, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in, but uncited. I'm tagging it. --Old Moonraker (talk) 02:26, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forest of Arden 

message: There is a section in this entry entitled 'setting', discussing a range of theories about what Forest of Arden means.  Then in the next section the text links to Wiki's own Forest of Arden entry that confidently describes the area of England, near Stratford Upon Avon, called Forest of Arden.  Either the Forest of Arden in the play is the English Midlands area, or it's one of these theories, Wikipedia can't confirm that it is both.  Perhaps someone with knowledge of this topic could clarify and clean up the entry.  StopItTidyUp (talk) 12:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forest of Arden 

message: The OR tag is on the article, but I can see anything referring to it on the talk page. While the article needs better references, none of it seems to be original research. I am removing the tag. --Duncan (talk) 08:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research 

message: the song reveals the happiness of life in the forest of arden.the first verse emphasises the peace and freedom people feel in the greenwood it assures people that the hard enemy that could be met in the quiet forest is the cold weather. 
2-in the forest ,men forget their ambition ,they enjoy a simple uncomplicated life 8in the perfect contentment  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.232.20.200 (talk) 22:00, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  as you like it pharaphrase  

message: Wikiproject Shakespeare calls for consistency in the articles dealing with the plays, and uses Characters. WP:MOS doesn't allow deprecates wikilinks in section headers; the fact that the term needs an explanatory link in itself militates against its use. I suggest a RV. --Old Moonraker (talk) 05:49, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is the Project Policy, I was unaware of it.  Nonetheless, I cannot think of a better and more appropriate place to use the term "Dramatis personæ".  Indeed, this is the exact usage for which the term was intended.  If need be, we should re-examine that Project Policy.  Why, indeed, would the Shakespeare Project members — of all people — object to the use of this term?  We don't need to "dumb everything down".  And, people interested in a Shakespeare article likely already know the term "dramatis personæ".  And those who are unfamiliar with it would likely have an appreciation for learning (and exposure to) the correct term.  This is an encyclopedia, after all ... we are not "catering" to third graders (as the term "characters" seemingly aims to do).  Also, regarding the rule about not using links within a header ... the MOS states: "Headings should not normally contain links, especially where only part of a heading is linked."  That is, links are not forbidden per se.  Rather, they should be used sparingly, when warranted, as an "exception to the general rule".  Thanks.   (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:12, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Another point – In reading the Dramatis personæ article more closely (just now), it states: "However, the term is closely associated with the works of William Shakespeare and appears in the original publication of the First Folio, published in 1623."  That bolsters my points above.  Namely, that I cannot think of a better and more appropriate place to use the term "Dramatis personæ".  And that, indeed, this is the exact usage for which the term was intended.  Thanks.   (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Another point – Personally, I would prefer the term "dramatis personae" as opposed to "dramatis personæ" (since that last "æ" character is difficult / inconvenient to produce on a keyboard).  But, I won't split hairs on that issue.  Thanks.  (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:48, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the comprehensive reply ... much appreciated.  Also, informative and insightful.  While I agree with some of your points, I disagree with others.  Nonetheless, quite frankly, I have bigger fish to fry; I have also learned to pick and choose my "battles".  This is, at the end of the day, not all that important to me.  However, I do indeed think that the term is not only important, but also quite appropriate.  As such, I have added it into the "Characters" section, as a prefatory comment.  I hope this is an acceptable "quasi"-compromise (i.e., middle ground).  Thanks.   (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:31, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Dramatis personæ'' for "Characters" 

message: The list of allusions read as follows: "to Eden, to Hercules, and". I made this grammatically correct, but if whoever wrote that has a valid third item, the person should add it. 
Robert 00:58, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eden, Hercules, and ? 

message: Should we create new pages for the minor characters of As You Like It or merge all the minor characters in a single page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZonMusicStar (talk • contribs) 03:48, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Characters 

message: what do you guys think about the title of the play.. I reminds of 'What you will', the alternative title of 'Twelfth Night'.Zon (talk) 15:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: the title

message: This section simply rehashes key plot elements, whereas motifs are expected to have symbolic significance. Maybe this play is so rudimentary in construction that there are no motifs worth discussing? if so, this section needs to be removed.Kishorekumar 62 (talk) 17:41, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means feel free to expand on the section if you feel it is lacking. However removal of an entire section should never be done lightly. Mediatech492 (talk) 18:13, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Motifs

message: I have just visited this article this morning (07/03/13) and clearly something is not right with many anachronistic or impossible dates, as well as the caption on the first image.
Not a Wikipedia member so not sure how to flag this up in a more noticeable way!
I'll leave it to an actual Shakespeare expert to make corrections though.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.205.102.168 (talk) 09:54, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This line is uttered by Rosalind, but the article is worded as if Jaques says it: "...the melancholy traveller Jaques who speaks many of Shakespeare's most famous speeches (such as "All the world's a stage", "too much of a good thing" and "A fool! A fool! I met a fool in the forest")." Muzilon (talk) 13:42, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Too much of a good thing" 

message: This page has a lot of very reliable information on it, since it has such a vast amount of sources.  There is a lot of "known" information about Shakespeare's works so it's not surprising that the page has a lot of detail on both the actual plot and some of the intricacies of this particular work.  However, I think that the one place that it is lacking is in the gender conversation of the piece.  Because many of Shakespeare's works had both strong women and ambiguity in gender, it surprises me that there is not a larger discussion on the deliberate gender swapping nature of this specific play and the implications behind it.  I think that section of this article is underrepresented for its importance in the piece.  Elizabeth.allen. (talk) 20:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There are several weak parts of the article (one of which, ironically, is its sourcing: see Hamlet and Romeo and Juliet for examples of well-sourced articles), and you're quite right that gender issues is one of them. One reason for that is that Wikipedia is systemically short of editors with an interest in (and therefore knowledge of) literary criticism in general, and feminist and gender studies approaches especially. And the few we do have are mostly not interested in the early modern era, or their interest lies in authors of special interest to those fields (like Mary Wollstonecraft and Mary Shelley). If your interests lie in those areas (or, heck, just Shakespeare in general), then WikiProject Shakespeare has desperate need of your help! And, of course, Wikipedia really is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit: Be bold! --Xover (talk) 17:08, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender Roles? 

message: Although it was actually made for cinemas, it was released to theatres only in Europe, and had its U.S. premiere on HBO in 2007.
This is really asking for trouble. I pity the ESL speaker, further encumbered to sort out that HBO is neither cinema nor theatre, before the spinning Florin–Guilder penny drops. — MaxEnt 13:14, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elegant variation after 'although' 

message: Which spelling should this article use for Sir Rowland's family name? First Folio uses "de Boys", as does Yale (1919) and the article Characters in As You Like It. Other editions use "de Bois". I suggest to restore "de Boys" here and at Orlando (As You Like It) which were recently changed, without edit summary, to "de Bois". -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:18, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In general, the English language Wikipedia uses modern English, not Elizabethan English. Rick Norwood (talk) 22:13, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: In general, of course. But this article's subject is a play written in that language, and many of today's playbills use "de Boys". Without any clear overwhelming modern usage preference, I suggest to return to the article's previous spelling. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:46, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: de Boys or de Bois

message: Gautier's book Madomoiselle de maupin is largely based on Shakespeare's play 'as you like it' and is the basis for the cult of beauty and the aesthetic movement of the late C19. It has also major themes about gender issues yet there is no cross reference! Bartarch (talk) 22:40, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  As you like it and Gautier 

message: alt=A Tudor manor house|thumb|The manor of Soulton: possibly owned by the inspiration "Old Sir Rowland" and known to the writer of the source book of the play 
=== Exceled court and the Marian Persecution ===
Thomas Lodge's father (another Thomas Lodge) owned the manor of Soulton; he transferred it Sir Rowland Hill in 1556, and it has been suggested that the configuration of the mid sixteenth century house and landscape there indicate the performance of drama and pageantry of the exceled protestant court in a forest setting away from the Marian persecution a generation before Shakespeare was born, such that the play can be read as a monument to the Geneva Bible conspiracy, which it is established Hill was coordinating and the wider renaissance magnificence of Hill.
Can we discuss what to do with this section, which was added by an anon in the last few days? AndyJones (talk) 09:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Section 

message: Thomas Lodge's father (another Thomas Lodge) owned the manor of Soulton; he transferred it Sir Rowland Hill in 1556, and it has been suggested that the configuration of the mid sixteenth century house and landscape there indicate the performance of drama and pageantry of the exceled protestant court in a forest setting away from the Marian persecution a generation before Shakespeare was born, such that the play can be read as a monument to the Geneva Bible conspiracy, which it is established Hill was coordinating and the wider renaissance magnificence of Hill.
Can we discuss what to do with this section, which was added by an anon in the last few days? AndyJones (talk) 09:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exceled court and the Marian Persecution