Talk:Dalit Voice

message: This page was promoting hatred towards dalits , therefore I have made it neutral. If it is reverted , then it means Wikipedia promotes hatred.--Anirudh777 10:02, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: VT is definitely an anti-Hindu and an anti-Semite and is exposed accordingly. Dalit voice is a terrorist propaganda rag, also antisemitic and anti-Hindu.Hkelkar 02:30, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, and yes.Hkelkar 23:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Expand:Of course you are correct that everybody is anti-something.However, DV is a hate group, which is different from just being anti-something.Plus, there are articles on DV that clearly glorify Hitler and Nazi Germany and claim that the vilification of Hitler is part of an "Evil Jewish Conspiracy", making the site an anti-Semitic one. Their anti-Hindu attitudes are well-known, obviously.Hkelkar 00:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: While wikipedia is not allowed to conduct original research, others certainly are. We have but to report it unbiasedly :).Hkelkar 00:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The first part of your reply, at least, appears to be a valid point. This article has no one author but several (my contribution is minimal actually).I will check into the reference and make any corrections to inaccuracies.The article does not take any position on the subject of VT or DV or anyon, just reports on it.Hkelkar 04:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well according to Dalit Voice they are a "premier magazine" for the Dalit Masses. Would you like that put in?See below.Hkelkar 07:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Are you suggesting that an anti-semitic publication is mainstream among Dalits? Isn't that like levelling an accusation that Dalits are anti-semites? Seems rather baseless.Hkelkar 07:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I am reluctant to make edits that seem anti-Dalit so erred a bit on the side of P.C. I have no interest in provoking edit wars and being accused of attacking minorities (such things happen a lot on wikipedia)
However, perhaps we should say that: 
Dalit Voice and it's chief editor VT Rajshekhar regard their publication as a widely circulated journal in the Dalit community
Thus qualifying that the periodical is widely read only according to them and their supporters.Hkelkar 07:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Is that Okay by you?Hkelkar 07:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually the information is not based directly from Elst, but independently fact-checked by me and a Dutch colleague of mine in my University, who translated from an old copy of Wereldwijd.Hkelkar 21:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Let me also ammend that the following authoritative publication on antisemitism regard DV's ideologies as fringe NOT mainstream:
Poliakov, Léon (1994). Histoire de l’antisémitisme 1945-93 Paris.
Quote from P395:
The phenomenon of anti-Semitism in a vocal though marginal and unrepresentative section of the Dalit movement is attributed somewhat patronizingly to the “mental confusion among India’s poor Dalits
Which it states with reference to Rajshekhar and his views expressed on DV.Hkelkar 07:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Notice the words "marginal" and "unrepresentative" (i.e fringe) in the quote above.Hkelkar 07:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: To be fair many Hinduvta organizations or rather labeled Hinduvta organizations have been treated in a similar manner. But, as long as sufficient proof is provided for them being called what they are I suggest we leave the article be. Unless of course they explain their goals or sentiments for the media company as a whole, then separation based on foundational tenets and what they post should be discerned. 108.39.84.90 (talk) 01:10, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Ofc Hindu criticism is fine, but when you want to ethically cleanse the ancestors of a whole community that draws the line. 108.39.84.90 (talk) 01:15, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Hatred of Hindus

message: "It has been criticised as a hate site and has been accused of promoting ethnic cleansing and hate-speech."
This line was removed because it contains and UNCITED use of POV using the weaseling tactic "it has been criticised" that is not permitted in Wikipedia. It has been criticised by who? Until NOW, I have not heard of the site being called a hate site. I do not see anything promoting ethinic cleansing. Feel FREE to quote the site's ethnic cleansing comments in this article. Till then... --Zaphnathpaaneah 08:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can I remind everyone here that the encyclopedia cannot say anything EITHER to promote this point or view OR to discredit it. It must remain absolutely neutral. I hope when I have time soon to make some edits in order to achieve this. I hope we will all be able to keep clear heads, assume good faith and keep our personal views at a distance. Thanks. Itsmejudith 09:19, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly.Hkelkar 09:48, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I mean, no it isn't based on a neutral view, but a mainstream view. Otherwise all Hinduvta organizations must have their articles rewritten as well for showing bias. It would be better to just leave it be unless sufficient proof isn't given or as I stated above if they have foundational tenets. 108.39.84.90 (talk) 01:12, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV violation. 

message: This statement will just have to come out because this publication is not notable. It isn't in the British Library, which it would be if it had an ISSN. I can't find it in google. And the references to it are too far out of date. So what if a few people writing in some minor publication expressed support for this guy many years ago? Not worth recording in the encyclopedia. Itsmejudith 13:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wereldwijd 

message: I have rewritten substantially, taking out all the weasel-wording but keeping in the references that show DV taking positions that many will think of as extreme. How long will these changes survive? Any chance of discussion on this talk page before reversion? I live in hope. Itsmejudith 17:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now after the reversion wars I am going to go through it again, checking that each reference is appropriate and summarised correctly. Please remember WP's NPOV policies and that we have to let the facts speak for themselves. I am going to try extremely hard not to let my own POV influence the article. I hope that other editors will do the same. This is not easy territory. Itsmejudith 13:09, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New version 

message: The comments below have been copied from Wikipedia: WikiProject Judaism: Egfrank 13:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My edits are the ones that the above user is talking about ... I take strong exception to the accusation of "whitewashing", which has no place in Wikipedia. I first came across this article through participation in the Wikification WikiProject. I'm no expert on Indian politics but it's clear that the publication it deals with is associated with some extreme-minority points of view, some of which are to my reading antisemitic. That's only my reading though, and the article needs to follow WP policies and just describe the views of the publication in neutral terms, quoting only reliable sources. It would indeed be very good to get more editors involved, which is why I just tagged it for an expert in Indian politics. Since there is also a dimension of antisemitism, I'm going to leave a message on the Antisemitism talk page too. I'm losing patience in edit-warring over the article and certainly have no wish to WP:Own it. Itsmejudith 11:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh and of course I am emphatically NOT involved with whitewashing the page on antisemitism. Itsmejudith 11:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Simply that it is easy to push POV by allotting articles to categories, (as well as by adding "See also"s). These sorts of edits are exempt from the requirements for rigorous sourcing. I'd prefer if the encyclopedia were pruned of such categories. I don't have such strong views about this one as about the "pseudohistory" category that this editor and others have continually added. Itsmejudith 13:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I heartily second (and third!) Egfrank's remarks.  Tomertalk 19:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And fourth, I guess. Yitzhak Hudas 20:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading the article it is patently obvious the racist nutcases that write this (the magazine) have no liking for Jews. I have viewed related things like dalitstan and have noted their affinity with Lashkar-e-Toiba and other groups, who are also anti-Semitic. There is no reason to pretend this group is anything else but racist and bigoted, and the specific targets of their vitriol should be noted.Bakaman 23:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Anti-semitic publications 

message: There is evidence of holocaust denial in the magazine. Look at 25(1) for example. Unfortunately, I can't find the volume and issue of the linked article that's the source for the support of Ahmadinejad's position. I'd like to stress again that I have no problem with including material that illustrates antisemitic positions taken by the magazine. However, I am still - like other editors who have posted on this talk page before - concerned about the overall balance of the article. It is by no means an easy task to summarise the positions taken by this magazine. I have found an article, for example, alleging that M.K. Gandhi was "a nazi". That this contradicts other articles that attempt to exonerate nazism of all charges does not seem to bother the magazine's editors. However, it does mean that we either remove some of the existing viewpoints attributed to the magazine, however well sourced, or we keep trawling through it in order to add more about specifically Indian politics. For example, I found a long article alleging that a major higher education institution had a "Brahmin monopoly". If we are going to reflect the magazine's views accurately then much more weight must be given to that kind of material. Itsmejudith 17:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holocaust denial 

message: Most of the discussion on this page is a year or more old. I propose they be archived. --ManasShaikh (talk) 18:11, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Archiving

message: a lot of what he says makes sense,how to call this magazine anti semitic when he says that brahminists were the original supporters of hitler,therefore the original anti semites,he is imitating brahminists,now brahminists have started loving jews for their own interests so he hates them,he hates what the enemy loves and loves what enemy hates,also he cannot be called anti hindu as he feels hinduism does not exist,its a caste based religion created to protect superstitions and idol worship according to him,he is truly a genius writer,he is not against Jews but hates them as Brahminists have started loving them for their own interests.117.204.141.0 (talk) 07:57, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: How can DV be called Anti Semitic

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