Talk:The Great Global Warming Swindle

message: I was annoyed by this article, because after reading about an assertion made by the program I had to hunt through "Reactions from scientists" to see if there had been a response to it. It would be far more effective to group the claims and explanations together: if nothing else it would prevent readers from lazily assuming that everything claimed was false! --Tom Edwards (talk) 18:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge assertions and reception sections

message: Is anyone going to object if I delete all the External Links except the first three? As far as I can see none of the ones which are already cited inline should be in, according to WP:EL. I was considering keeping the reference to the 176 page critique, but it's already cited inline in the appropriate place, and it is at least debatable whether it's sufficiently neutral to provide lots of background (which is apparently one of the main uses for External Links). I imagine sceptics would argue that it isn't neutral. --Merlinme (talk) 09:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I support their deletion since the section is not supposed to be a link farm; external links should supplement references already used in the article. Erik (talk) 15:32, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I do object to deletion of the external links. The content at the links is supplementing the references used in the article. Starchild (talk) 12:52, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

message: has twice deleted the bolded section of this quotation: "Steven Milloy, who runs the Web site Junkscience.com, and has close financial and organizational ties to ExxonMobil". The source is a Mother Jones article claiming that forty public policy groups working to undermine global warning are funded by ExxonMobil. How is this not relevant to the article? The relevant quotation from the source article is: "Milloy, who debunks global warming concerns regularly, runs two organizations that receive money from ExxonMobil. Between 2000 and 2003, the company gave $40,000 to the Advancement of Sound Science Center, which is registered to Milloy’s home address in Potomac, Maryland, according to IRS documents. ExxonMobil gave another $50,000 to the Free Enterprise Action Institute—also registered to Milloy’s residence." —C.Fred (talk) 04:49, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I quite agree with the deletion.  Even if Mother Jones were a reliable source, that ExxonMobil gives (actually, gave; they're no longer contributing to any environmental organizations, pro- or con-)  money to organizations that he runs does not show that he has "close financial or organizational ties to ExxonMobil".  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 13:16, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Steven Milloy's financial ties to ExxonMobil are explicitly described in various outlets besides Mother Jones. See, for example, The Guardian 2006 and the St. Petersburg Times 2006. MastCell Talk 16:57, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:   Sorry but you're misquoting your source.  The St. Petersburg Times, for instance, says "sources affiliated with Milloy have received" funding from Exxon.  That's a wholly different matter.  As for the Monbiot blog, it says that ten years ago a company that helped fund JunkScience.com received $30K from Exxon.  That is far from a "close financial and organizational tie" directly to Milloy himself.  Furthermore, even if the claim were correct (which it apparently isn't) its not relevant.  Do you include funding data for all those critical of this film?   Many have and still do receive funding from organizations which stand to benefit from discrediting skeptical material.  Fell Gleamingtalk 18:26, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  By the way, I find it rather ironic that this is a considerably more blatant misrepresentation of a source than the one you voted to sanction me for.  Does this mean you'll be sanctioning yourself?  Fell Gleamingtalk 19:18, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's a misrepresentation. The Times flat-out names Milloy as one of a group of "Writers with ties to ExxonMobil", which doesn't seem open to debate or spin except by the most hardened of soup-spitters. The Guardian notes that two organizations run from Milloy's home address have received substantial payments from ExxonMobil. I think most reasonable people would consider that a "financial tie". The Guardian also states that "Even after Fox News was told about the money he [Milloy] had been receiving from Philip Morris and Exxon..." Which clearly indicates that Milloy has a financial tie to ExxonMobil.If you feel that my behavior here is sanction-worthy, then please feel free to pursue the appropriate avenues, with which you are familiar. I would be surprised if providing links to two reliable sources addressing a disputed point is sanctionable, but you never know. In beams-and-motes terms, you might want to correct your claim about a Monbiot "blog". I'm not sure where you came up with "blog" - the Guardian piece is an excerpt from his book, edited for publication. MastCell Talk 04:53, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Milloy and ExxonMobil funding

message: The lede makes the uncited claim that "scientific organizations" criticized the work.  I see nothing to support this in the article body.  The closest I can find is that a single organization (The Royal Society) did so.  Are there others or is this more overstatement?  Fell Gleamingtalk 11:08, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I count three definitely: British Antarctic Survey, Royal Society, Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society; plus three where significant members of a named society have criticised the programme, i.e. IPCC, UK Natural Environment Research Council, (James Cook University) Australian Research Council ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies. --Merlinme (talk) 11:23, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the info User:Merlinme; hope you don't mind I added wikilinks to your comments. 209.255.78.138 (talk) 20:30, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientific Organizations? 

message: The film suggests ways in which scientific consensus can be influenced, whether or not the film is accurate.  In fact, it doesn't matter the ways are actually done, or even possible to be done.  I think the lede should include that the film mentions specifics, whether or not the film justifies them.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 20:19, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the film does more than just suggest ways influence could happen, it asserts that influence is happening.  So, the current lede is more accurate:  "...suggests that the scientific opinion on climate change is influenced by funding and political factors..."--CurtisSwain (talk) 20:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 20:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Suggest" in lede 

message: The hyperlink on reference 28 to :
Jones D; Watkins A, Braganza K, Coughlan M (2007). ""The Great Global Warming Swindle": a critique.". Bulletin of the Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society. Retrieved 2009-03-20
IS NOT WORKING (for me at least) !!!
This is sad as this would help to understand what is true not true in the arguments presented in the movie.
Brgds
Antonio  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.98.68.196 (talk) 09:01, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference number 28 to key article is not correct !!! 

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