Talk:Games for Windows – Live

message: The article says it will work with Live Anywhere (I changed to Live For Windows or w/e), then says it won't be. I'm not too versed in this topic, so can a more learned editor please make the correct change? Thanks.XXDucky21Xx 00:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Halo 2 Vista

message: I moved the page to the new name ('Games for Windows - Live', including the dash), based on the press release. Jschuur 19:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The dash is what Microsoft uses in all their official press releases and such, it should be kept in my opinion. SeanMooney 21:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New name: Games for Windows - Live

message: It should be noted that the Live Interface demands administrative rights to update.  Updates will fail when a Live title is being played on a limited user account.  The gamer will be logged out of Live services and may be unable to play multiplayer.  This can be a significant issue for shared or family comptuers, and is, at the least, an extreme annoyance for gamers that use limited accounts under windows XP to get maximum security out of the operating systems.  As an inherent and objective issue, it is worthy of note on the main page.  Hopefully, it would not violate NPOV to note that Steam achieves the same features without the requirement that it be launched by an admin.
Andrew.kintz (talk) 00:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While the "criticism" of LIVE seem to be a bit stretched, there is a very important flaw to this system: it is not available everywhere, purely due to decision of MS. One can easily join the LIVE community by lying about his country during account making process and then proceed to use the service, even though it should be unavaiable for his region. My point being, that there are countries in which gamers either have to resign from some features of a game they have paid full for, or will have to risk being cought breaking the law. IMHO such a thing should be mentioned both at the games article, as well as here. 77.253.97.166 (talk) 14:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: At Wikipedia, we don't like original research, and thus we can't take your word for that.  We need proof at the very least to include that sort of thing. Brianreading (talk) 16:20, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Removing the criticism section entirely was lazy, there are articles from kotaku and rockpapershotgun on the continuing problems with the service, including quite a few technical issues such as requiring users to manually download hotfixes to use the service with certain games, not being compatible with 3rd party firewalls, not being compatible with 3rd party game messaging services such as xfire. You will notice however that I am also too lazy after finding the references to include them but they are out there. 82.42.230.211 (talk) 09:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticisms

message: The criticism section is written as a NegPOV hit piece and is totally without any citation.  It should be removed in-total, I will be doing so soon. Wageslave (talk) 06:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While the "criticism" of LIVE seem to be a bit stretched, there is a very important flaw to this system: it is not available everywhere, purely due to decision of MS. One can easily join the LIVE community by lying about his country during account making process and then proceed to use the service, even though it should be unavaiable for his region. My point being, that there are countries in which gamers either have to resign from some features of a game they have paid full for, or will have to risk being cought breaking the law. IMHO such a thing should be mentioned both at the games article, as well as here. 77.253.97.166 (talk) 14:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: At Wikipedia, we don't like original research, and thus we can't take your word for that.  We need proof at the very least to include that sort of thing. Brianreading (talk) 16:20, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Removing the criticism section entirely was lazy, there are articles from kotaku and rockpapershotgun on the continuing problems with the service, including quite a few technical issues such as requiring users to manually download hotfixes to use the service with certain games, not being compatible with 3rd party firewalls, not being compatible with 3rd party game messaging services such as xfire. You will notice however that I am also too lazy after finding the references to include them but they are out there. 82.42.230.211 (talk) 09:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism remove 

message: To use this program, do you donwload it, similar to Steam? Or its it something only accesible in a game that supports it? --Elven6 22:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Im confused! 

message: The criticism section is written as a hit piece and without any citation.  It is almost totally Neg-POV attack.  It should be removed in-total at this point, and if any relevant, cited information added back into the relevant sections in the future.
It is wholly without value at this point.
Wageslave (talk) 16:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally it is a bad idea to have a criticism section in any article. Although strictly speaking "criticism" doesn't mean "bad things about X", that is what such sections tend to become in practice. Instead, a "reception" section or something similar is preferable, since they are far less likely to be purely negative (and thus is more in lines with Wikipedia's neutrality policies) and it makes it clear that what is portrayed is media/popular opinion rather than hard fact. Alphathon /'æɫfə.θɒn/ (talk) 14:43, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism section

message: I just got an update for GfWL which has changed the look completely, I assume it also provides suport for displaying avatars in the NXE, but it seems to work better. Golden Dragoon (talk) 22:23, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you upload those image to wikipedia?. --SkyWalker (talk) 01:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Sure thing, will upload a few screen shots. Golden Dragoon (talk) 02:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.--SkyWalker (talk) 02:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

text: 
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:New_pop_up.JPG
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:New_GfWL_guide.png
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:New_GfWL_settings_page.png
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:New_GfWL_gamer_profile.png
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:New_GfWL_achievements_list.png
Here are a few, if there are any specific pages you want me to ss then let me know, I left the messages and friends ones out on purpose, due to the messages tab having a summary of my recieved messages on it, and the friends one as whilst it dosn't bother me having my gamer tag put up for all to see I cannot speak for themGolden Dragoon (talk) 02:22, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow that was fast. --SkyWalker (talk) 02:26, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Yup, thanks for sorting out the formating, I was just about to come back and do that myselfGolden Dragoon (talk) 02:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem iam glad to help. Not sure where to add the rest of the image. The article is small and only few images can be added. Hopefully when the article get larger more image can be added. Maybe we have to ask in GFWL forums.--SkyWalker (talk) 02:42, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: New version number is v2.0 as shown at the download page: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4a7f4478-7a4e-4f89-a88c-319972839793&DisplayLang=en Complete Prat (talk) 22:02, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is added by someone.--SkyWalker (talk) 08:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New look 

message: Shouldn't we mention, that Games for Windows - Live is totally unavailable in Russia, CIS countries and many other countries? 77.122.21.103 (talk) 14:08, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Availability in diferent countries

message: I see that there used to be a "Criticism" section but it was too negative. Regardless, we do need a section detailing how it is basically Satan to the world of PC gaming. Smurfy 21:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You should be warned that it is your opinion that it is "Satan to the world of PC gaming".  Especially since you're not a notable reviewer, and you're certainly not espousing NPOV, I don't see what your argument is for adding it back.  It should also be noted that the section wasn't removed because it was "too negative".  Take a look at my last response in one of the several other sections regarding this subject. Brianreading (talk) 03:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't added back in either despite the fact that there is criticism from kotaku and rockpapershotgun as well as other online magazines, if you are sooo NPOV brian please take the time to add back the published criticism. 82.42.230.211 (talk) 09:05, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

text: heres the most relevant anyway . there are other articles, xtreme mag had an article which mentioned how version 3 still suffers from a lack of out of game client, there are some older pieces on kotaku about early issues to the service and a more recent one on problems with gflw for the fallout 3 dlc launch demonstrating the platforms lack of maturity (steam had launch issues in its early days). The articles are out there, sorry for the lack of links but wiki lost my edits and i've wasted enough time here for today. 82.42.230.211 (talk) 09:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead, be bold, and add your information.  After your contribution, I will most likely be looking for the use of weasel words and the use of only reliable sources that have been properly formatted.  Basically, be very careful of how you word it.  Be very specific in who says what, and make sure your source is a notable reviewer. Brian Reading (talk) 13:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: Why was the new gfw live theme image removed and the old one kept.  That does not make any sense, it seems very misleading.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cobra4455 (talk • contribs) 09:52, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I know there were some images that were removed in January because they were deleted from Wikipedia.  Apparently, they were not correctly uploaded as copyrighted images with proper fair use statements.  It was the uploader's fault. Brianreading (talk) 16:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading Picture 

message: Do we really want the countries section deleted? If Xbox Live and this article were so similar to not need differentiation between the supported countries, then why are there two separate articles? Either merge the articles, or put the section back, because it doesn't make sense to just leave it as is. Brian Reading (talk) 17:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article might not be similar. The countries section is similar. What is the point of having so many of those?. Adding those countries list is making the article even more uglier. --SkyWalker (talk) 18:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't follow your logic.  The articles are on two different subjects, therefore the similarity of the countries doesn't have any relevance in removal.  Look at it like this.  Let's say you were just a casual reader on the web looking for information regarding Games for Windows - Live.  You come across the Games for Windows - Live Wikipedia article, and don't see any section detailing where the service is available.  Why would that person have any idea to head over to the Xbox Live article to look for that info? Do you see my point? It belongs here.  Aesthetics are barely relevant as well.  How ugly you think something looks doesn't mean the information isn't relevant here.  However on a side note, I disagree with you about how it makes the article look "more uglier". Brian Reading (talk) 20:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supported countries section 

message: The so-called out of game client does nothing but allow access to the marketplace, Live users must still be in-game to use the guide. You cannot send messages, track friends, or use voice chat while out of game.--24.136.33.161 (talk) 04:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of game client, 

message: The History section seems not pertaining to being the actual events happening in Games for Windows - LIVE. Some are just placing  announcements of certain games with simple sentence and doesnt include any events that happened as to why that game just released and what are the reasons behind. We need to put a proper constructive and structural sentences. Just like if its the first time microsoft resumed releasing PC games by 2010 from there gaming division. Dualshock03 (talk) 15:57, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History Section unorganized 

message: "The features of the service will initially be limited, but will grow just as the features of Xbox Live have over the years."
:In Germany we call this kind of remark "Glaskugelei". It's obvious this was written by some Microsoft PR-guy. The whole article, in fact, is utterly useless because it feels like a Microsoft press release. I came here, looking for information about this, and all I got was a big advertisement. Wikipedia fails.--93.131.227.86 (talk) 08:03, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't say the whole article reads like an advert, but that line certainly does (and has been removed, along with the one following it, as it is not relevant for the lead). I havn't read through the article in a while, so I may well have missed other instances, so if you could point any out that you think sound like PR they can certainly be changed/removed. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ (talk) 12:24, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  article written by Microsoft PR 

message: I can't seem to put my finger on it, but the Controversy section seems to not belong here.
I can't tell whenever it's not NPOV, but I know it doesn't belong here.
Didn't remove it because I don't have a reason for it to be here.
NOTE: If you look at the history, someone had deleted the section before someone reverted it bringing it back again.
Karjam, AKA KarjamP (talk) 21:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have since removed it (Somehow, the edit summery only said "Doesn" instead of the intended "Doesn't belong here"). Karjam, AKA KarjamP (talk) 15:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy talk, part III 

message: The shutdown confirmations seem rather vague and imply uncertainty. Is there really a lack of confirmed sources for it?
How reliable is this source: http://steamcommunity.com/games/200260/announcements/detail/1909817119598626547
It explicitly states that a game which was using GFWL is switching away from it because MS is shutting it down.
Taltamir (talk) 20:07, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Introduction part of the article should mention that this service is obsolete. Yeah there might be some server running still because few old games require GFWL as authentication method, but what is the latest game to use this? Last update of G4WL facebook is from 2013 and I cant really find G4WL client download for windows 10 anywhere. --91.157.45.29 (talk) 14:13, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The GFWL service itself has not been shut down. Some features, such as earning Xbox achievements, remain operational in old games.Theclaw1 (talk) 06:39, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Confirmation of shutdown 

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message: The statement towards the bottom of the History section stating:
"Microsoft closed Games for Windows LIVE on 15 August 2013: "As part of the upcoming Xbox 360 system update, Microsoft Points will be retired, and the Xbox.com PC marketplace will be closed as of August 22, 2013. We encourage you to spend your Microsoft Points balance prior to this change". The download of the client software is still available, and the servers are still online."
Should have a word added as follows:
"Microsoft closed Games for Windows LIVE marketplace on 15 August 2013"
As of November 2020, Microsoft hasn't closed Games for Windows LIVE entirely, and the original statement is misleading.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EvilTelephone (talk • contribs) 01:34, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potentially misleading wording 

message: The infobox status currently says:
 Discontinued (Digital Distribution Store Only. Services are still running for purchased and retail content)
What content are the services still supporting?
Do a search for gfwl on the steam forums and/or reddit, and it becomes disturbingly clear that PC games using gfwl do not work on any current Windows version. I suggest the sentence above is changed to
 Discontinued. Games depending on it will not run on any current Microsoft OS.
37.191.253.7 (talk) 11:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox status is in need of an update, yes, but not one stating it's fully discontinued. It is very much not fully killed off by Microsoft yet. The services it's talking about would be achievements, online multi-player, etc. It is still functioning, including Windows 10 and 11, if one makes previous precautions. SojerManLan (talk) 09:11, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox status