Talk:History of Catalonia

message: The map of the catalan countries is pure fantasy. There is actually a fascist current in Catalonia that wants to include territories as Valencia or Balears in a invented entity called Catalan Countries. Valencia and Balears are different countries and communities inside Spain, with their own governments.
Sorry, "fascist" is just what you say - like neonazi group 'Espana 2000' or 'GAV'.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.57.131.86 (talk) 02:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsense map 

message: In the following passage, the portion I have bolded here was recently and anonymously added: "…the maritime expansion into the Atlantic and the conquest of Central and South America was essentially not a Catalan enterprise (even prohibited in doing so by Castille)…" That makes no grammatical sense, and the first interpretation I can come up with makes no historical sense, at least not to me. I'm guessing that what it is saying is that somehow Castille prevented Catalans from participating in the enterprise, but that doesn't make sense to me: this is post 1492, and while Crown of Castile and the Crown of Aragon remained nominally distinct, they were embodied in the same people (well, I suppose that as long as the Reyes Católicos lived, Isabella was tecnnically queen of Castille and Ferdinand King of Aragon, but as far as I know they did not in any meaningful way have separate policies, merely separate laws). So in what sense is it Castile that prevented Catalans from participating in the expansion and conquest? Can someone with more knowledge of this aspect of Spanish history than I have please help sort this out? - Jmabel | Talk 05:15, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. That's clear. The text in the article wasn't, so I'll fix it. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Prohibited" 

message: "the mandible of a pre-Neanderthal found in Banyoles, some 250,000 years old": I'm not saying that this is right or wrong, but it would seem to deserve a citation. - Jmabel | Talk 06:49, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. The mandible is not accurately dated : according to morphology, it looks like a pre-Neanderthal (which means at least 200,000 years) but according to a recent ESR dating it could be younger (see http://www.naturalsciences.be/mars/litterature/bibliography/bibtest/Grun2005). The question now is to know if morphological study is more trustworthy than ESR dating. Anyway 25,000 is definitely wrong since Neanderthal disappeared around 30,000 years ago. Best, I20 10:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  That mandible: how old? 

message: The following sentence fragment was sitting in a paragraph of its own: "In 1235 born Catalonia". Since its meaning was unclear and it lacked context, I cut it. If this means something, please feel free to return it to the article, but please expand and clarify. If (as I suspect) it was written by someone without much English, please feel free to explain here in Spanish, Catalan, or even French. There are plenty of people working on this article who will be able to read those languages. - Jmabel | Talk 19:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence fragment 

message: This is very underreferenced. It was initially translated from the Spanish Wikipedia, where it was utterly unreferenced. - Jmabel | Talk 19:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Underreferenced 

message: "Over the next few centuries, Catalonia became one of the most important regions in Europe" but still I can't find it in the map. Maybe it could be better reworded like this: "Over the next few centuries, the Crown of Aragon became one of the most important regions in Europe". Which fits with the title of the section. In fact, catalonia should be replaced with Crown of Aragon in this section at least.
BTW. "(or, as some historians now call it, the Catalan-Aragonese empire)" should be replace by "(or, as some catalans now call it, the Catalan-Aragonese empire)".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.170.68.198 (talk) 15:07, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Europe in 1470 

message: I strongly disagree with the following sentences:
"As part of the Crown of Aragon — most historians would say the dominant part — "
"The latter became a new state, the third kingdom associated with the crown of Aragon (or, as some historians now call it, the Catalan-Aragonese empire)"
I would like to see some references that proove those 2 statements, because at the moment I have seen no historians that have stated that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.55.169.255 (talk) 12:47, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who are those historians 

message: The article mentions Columbus' "discovery." While Columbus did not discover America as I know it he did in fact make a discovery. So I am removing the quotes. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 11:03, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rhetorical device? 

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message: 'florish', 'for what the Counts of Barcelona were very grateful' and various other errors - I've corrected two others, but I really can't be bothered to check the whole text. Once again, I wish non-native users of English would have their Wikipedia articles checked in advance by native speakers before posting them. Wikipedia is fast becoming a source of broken English, which is then copied by other non-native users.89.212.50.177 (talk) 11:11, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor use of English 

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message: Hi, Institut Nova Història is a foundation subsidized and awarded by the Catalan government, supported by Catalan historians, intellectuals, writers, Important politicians of the main parties of Catalonia, members are parlamentaries of Catalan assembly and they often do conferences in the assembly, according to all there are enough people that considers that as the true history of Catalonia, i though this article should be in the 'See Also' section of the article on the history of Catalonia and related articles of the Catalan independence movement. --ILoveCaracas (talk) 07:13, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggested that he open a discussion at the Village Pump, which he did, so I think this should be discussed there, not here, to reach a global consensus. Maragm (talk) 07:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Institut Nova Història]]

message: Addition to article?
"Barcelona (Reuters) - Six people were arrested in Barcelona on Saturday after pro-independence protesters clashed with riot police, and as thousands joined rival demonstrations to mark the first anniversary of Catalonia’s polarizing vote on secession." - Reuters (29 September 2018). "Police clash with Catalan separatists ahead of independence vote..."
--Vwanweb (talk) 20:31, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Police clash with Catalan separatists (September 2018) 

message: A mistype or spelling mistake is in the paragraph below, namely the sentence that states "...bringing together the greater part of what was later to become Catalania." It should read this instead, "...bringing together the greater part of what was later to become Catalonia."
Here is the paragraph::
At the end of the 9th century, the Carolingian monarch Charles the Bald designated Wilfred the Hairy — a noble descendant of a family from Conflent and son of the earlier Count of Barcelona Sunifred I — as Count of Cerdanya and Urgell (870). After Charles's death (877), Wilfred became the Count of Barcelona and Girona (878) as well, bringing together the greater part of what was later to become Catalania. On his death the counties were divided again among his sons, except for one brief period when Barcelona, Girona, and Ausona (he repopulated the last one after a revolt) remained under the rule of the Count. As a result, Wilfred made its title hereditary and founded the dynasty of the House of Barcelona, which ruled Catalonia until 1410.
should be this instead:
At the end of the 9th century, the Carolingian monarch Charles the Bald designated Wilfred the Hairy — a noble descendant of a family from Conflent and son of the earlier Count of Barcelona Sunifred I — as Count of Cerdanya and Urgell (870). After Charles's death (877), Wilfred became the Count of Barcelona and Girona (878) as well, bringing together the greater part of what was later to become Catalonia. On his death the counties were divided again among his sons, except for one brief period when Barcelona, Girona, and Ausona (he repopulated the last one after a revolt) remained under the rule of the Count. As a result, Wilfred made its title hereditary and founded the dynasty of the House of Barcelona, which ruled Catalonia until 1410. 2601:646:C501:6CB0:800E:91F9:73E1:7C2 (talk) 02:42, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! Thank you very much. :) --Jacobí (talk) 11:36, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2019