Talk:Antisemitism

message: The text of this article contains deep subtexts of racism and political bias. It need to be reviewed immediately. The wording of this article could lead to very real crimes 2605:A601:AF6C:1700:A915:DB4F:28EA:266A (talk) 21:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you seriously expect anyone to take the slightest notice of such evidence-free assertions? AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I think most editors would need some examples. 99.152.118.240 (talk) 02:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Article Needs Review and Maybe Replacement 

message: I fear that many users online will read the first paragraph and believe that all of those spellings are considered proper and acceptable, and may not use the Note icon to find the info suggesting otherwise, or read further to find the "Usage" section describing the discrepancies, deeper in the article.
I believe it is important to emphasize the discrepancies and make it as first and foremost as possible in the article. If my search results reveal anything, it's that we may be the only people doing so. Even Britannica has the non-proper spelling in my searches. - TheVGMLover 2607:FEA8:A99F:D600:1D1B:7F38:F2F8:3995 (talk) 14:08, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: All the spellings are considered proper and acceptable. The footnote indicates a preference, not a rule. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 14:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The difference between "anti-Semitism" and "antisemitism" should be made more clear in the article. 

message: "From the outset the term "anti-Semitism" bore special racial connotations and meant specifically prejudice against Jews."
I believe this is historically false, as outlined under the topic of AntiSemitism in The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, starting on p.341. The term was, by design, a racial/racist one, tied to a (now antiquated) concept of there being a Semitic race, characterized by certain physiognomic features. It was meant to label prejudice against people of that race, i.e. people with those features, among whom Jews were one subset, the one most general to Germany, so in practice in Germany it was almost exclusively Jews who were the targets, but the concept was very explicitly NOT intended to mean prejudice specifically against Jews. Part of the reason given for coining a new term was to distinguish discrimination and prejudice on a racial basis from those against Jews on a religious, political, or other bases. 
"....there are many speakers of Semitic languages (e.g., Arabs, Ethiopians, and Arameans) who are not the objects of antisemitic prejudices..."
Thinking anyone is an object of antisemitism based on language is a stretch. Yes, ethnic hostility is often also considered "racism" insofar as ethnicity and race can be conflated, but again this is a term deliberately coined in reference to what was imagined to be biological qualities, so generally one only is an object of antisemitism to the extent that one's physique fits the (antiquated) model. 
Even replacing "languages" in this sentence with something like "ethnic origins" or "physiognomy", to conform to the meaning of the term antisemitism, I think this sentence would also still be false. I think there ARE widespread racial/racist prejudices against Arabs, Palestinians, Arameans, etc, often based on physiognomy/appearance, in precisely the way that the term antisemitism was originally meant to convey, the antiquated nature of the Semitic Race as a biological or anthropological concept notwithstanding. Indeed, I think prejudice against "arabs" *on a racial basis* generally exceed and are more prevalent than those against Jews. Many Jews do not even look "Semitic". 2601:980:C000:2E30:8C2B:24EC:96B9:1C6B (talk) 20:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no semitic race, Semitic is simply a language family. There is no semitic race, that is a literal Nazi inspired myth. 74.71.4.108 (talk) 14:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: What do we call the race laws in Germany race laws for? 74.71.4.108 (talk) 14:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they're based on a Nazi inspired racial myth. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 15:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

text:  Actually it is a myth that the Nazis invented the concept of a "semitic race". Go to google books, search for "semitic race" (including quotes) then select "19th century" from the "Any time" pull-down. You will find many examples. It is even too simple to say that the Nazis adopted the concept, since they did not consider Jews and Arabs to be racially equal (though both were inferior). Note that the Nuremberg Laws specially say "Jews", not "Semites". Zerotalk 01:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, wasn't the Nazis. Predated them by a few decades. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 03:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

text: The Nazis inherited a number of ideas from older political and scientific movements, such as their preoccupation with eugenics. Their ideological ancestors in the Völkisch movement "conceptualized a racialist and hierarchical definition of the peoples of the world where Aryans (or Germans) had to be at the summit of the white race. The purity of the bio-mystical and primordial nation theorized by the Völkisch thinkers then began to be seen as having been corrupted by foreign elements, Jewish in particular.". Dimadick (talk) 12:21, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins of Concept