Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Star Trek/Comparative ranks and insignia of Star Trek

message: For the love of god, would someone PLEASE move this article to "Comparative Ranks and Insignia of Star Trek"?
Good grief people, learn to SPELL. - unsigned KaintheScion
:Learn to sign. :P --Cool Cat My Talk 02:14, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  rename page 

message: As much as this article looks pretty neat, I feel it borders on Original Research.  What sources have been used to compile this material?  What live action Star Trek production has confirmed the ranks and insignia mentioned on this page?  What offical source publication backs up these ranks?
We need to have those things.  If this is rather a page created by a Star Trek fan, based on personal theories, then it may have to be deleted. -Husnock 02:53, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Errr? How can I find official sources for this? Online I mean. --Cool Cat My Talk 04:25, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It would have to be an offical source sponsered by the producers of the Star Trek series.  There are hundreds of fan websites that list rank info, but none of these can be considered offical as they are hypothetical and the creation of persons unconnected with teh Star Trek series. -Husnock 06:13, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you find me such a page? :) --Cool Cat My Talk 06:11, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

text: The entire section above, reagrding the pure original research nature of this article and its heavy sourcing of fan material, is the entire section why the accuracy is disputed. -Husnock 17:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research and Sources 

message: I believe the Starfleet ranks are missing a level...Crewman.  Crewman is designated with a single 'empty' pip on the collar, and would belong right below ensign.  I'm not sure how to change this or I would do it myself. Bnew 21:03, July 9, 2005 (UTC)
: Crewman is an enlisted rank; this page only shows officer ranks.  The enlisted ranks have never been fully explained.  One would expect them to be: 
:Master Chief Petty Officer E-9 - haven't seen any
:Senior Chief Petty Officer E-8 - haven't seen any
:Chief Petty Officer E-7 - (Miles O'Brien's three chevrons in a square)
:Petty Officer First Class E-6 - three chevrons?
:Petty Officer Second Class E-5 - two chevron?
:Petty Officer Third Class E-4 - one chevron?
:Crewman or Crewman first class E-3 - dark circle pip as mentioned above?
:Crewman Apprentice E-2 or Crewman second class - empty collar?
:Crewman Recruit or or Crewman third class E-1 - empty collar?
:It is conceivable that all personnel between E-1 and E-6 would be called "Crewman", and all E-7 through E-9 would be called "Chief".  Perhaps E-4 through E-6 have been called "specialist" or "yeoman", although "yeoman" could also be a position filled by someone of any rank.
:This is much speculation, thus I will not add it to the article.  One might also speculate that all petty officers wore a dark circle pip until 2270, when O'Brien started wearing his chevrons.
:See also  and .  --Locarno 15:48, 15 July 2005 
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::Please see Starfleet ranks and insignia for a description of enlisted ranks. -Husnock 16:09, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Miles O'Brien was referred to as "Senior Chief" in "Hippocratic Oath" -- this means that his later three-chevron-and-two-pip insignia probably doesn't mean CPO -- it probably means SCPO or higher. -- CaptainMike 17:47, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Rank 

message: If this article does stay, you may want to either remove the US navy column, or fix it, as the images are a) not fair use in this table, b) wrong (the insignia for 'Fleet Admiral' is the insignia of a US Army General, and all the others are wrong, too). Proto::► 12:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, an Air Force General, but yes.   Morwen - Talk 13:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doh.  That's, of course, what I meant. Still wrong though. Proto::► 14:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  US army ranks