Talk:Ezh

message: what is this alleged MHG letter, and what does it represent? Are you sure this isn't just blackletter z? I've never heard of it. dab (ᛏ) 3 July 2005 09:03 (UTC)
: It's used in A Middle High German Primer by Joseph Wright, for one example. See page 24 or the whole book. --Prosfilaes 20:14, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle High German

message: See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English).  Ezh has never been a letter in English, but it has an English name: "Ezh".  We should use this.  Also, the character is not in the default fonts for IE, and we should not force people to get specialized software to use Wikipedia.  For that matter, many people use university- or library-owned machines that prevent installing new software.  Robert A West 19:47, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved back to Ezh 

message: Since the original form of the International Phonetic Alphabet showed a fair amount of compassion for printers (in those days of typesetting by hand) (e.g. by using ordinary letters set upside down as many of the symbols (e.g. turned `c' for open [o]), I used to think that ezh started as one form of yogh re-used because it was available in the type case. Anthony Appleyard 23:06, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ezh made from Yogh? 

message: I only read things about Africa, Ghana and whatnot. Fact is that in middle english, the ezh is also used! Check here http://www.dsl.ac.uk , try a word like 'wicht' and read the quotations. -andy 80.129.94.195 11:59, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's yogh, not ezh. Angr (talk • contribs) 09:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sadly enough, it is ezh. It should be yogh, though; the ezh being used there is an artifact of the encoding, not of the standard orthography of Middle English.--Prosfilaes 16:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle English! 

message: The article used to read:
:It also appears in the orthography of some African languages, e.g. the Aja language of Benin and the Daghbani language of Ghana, where the uppercase variant looks like a reflected Σ, which is not in Unicode 4.0.
I removed the underlined portion, since I think Unicode would consider Ʒ and reversed-Σ to be glyph variants. --Ptcamn 13:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  African Capital 

message: I've been unable to find information on the "banker's three" mentioned toward the end of this article.  It's an interesting detail, but if nobody else has heard of it either I suppose that it should be removed. —Eric S. Smith 18:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But a flat-topped 3 is mentioned in 3 (number). Many typefaces in my computer have a flat-topped 3. But try typing 1 2 ezh 4 5 using, say, Segoe UI, and you get a mess. GusTheTheatreCat (talk) 06:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find any information on this anywhere else, in fact this is the first time I've seen an explanation for the variant 3 glyph. I don't think it should be removed, but it could use some extrapolation....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.166.144 (talk) 01:32, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a bit surprised. I've been seeing the "flat top" 3 my whole life... but there don't seem to be many fonts that still use it: American Typewriter, Bauhaus, Blackmoor LET, Cochin, Harrington, Papyrus, Santa Fe LET, and Silom are the only ones from my 500+ font collection... -- megA (talk) 20:05, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banker's three? 

message: Of course Letter Z with hook is intended for use with Middle High German; the entry in the Unicode standard has "Middle High German" as a comment. I would hope for at least that level of checking before making changes in the article.--Prosfilaes 15:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: alright, Unicode is taciturn wrt the intended application of its characters as usual. We are to understand, I suppose, that their "z with hook" is to be used as "Z mit Unterschlinge", in spite of the symbol usually employed for this looks nothing like their "z with hook"? (An Unterschlinge is not a "hook"). The upshot of this is that online MHG sources are at a loss as to what sign they should use. See :de:Ʒ, which claims that Ʒ is also used as z mit Unterschlinge for lack of an official symbol. We have the online Lexer using ჳ  (Georgian we!) for lack of an adequate symbol. It appears something went wrong here. dab (𒁳) 17:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin Letter Z with hook 

message: The article discusses ezh’s use as a pronunciation symbol, but doesn’t give the pronunciation of “ezh” itself. I’m guessing it’s /ɛʒ/, but I have no idea if that’s even close. —Frungi (talk) 00:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm curious of the same thing, how do you pronounce the symbols name? I would have expected it to be the first thing in the page but it isn't... For now I'm using the same guess as Frungi.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.192.129.85 (talk) 21:26, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's /ɛʒ/. Added. I'd put in a sound file too if I knew how. --Thnidu (talk) 22:44, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation? 

message: § Origin says:
:
:As a phonetic symbol, ezh originates with Isaac Pitman's alphabet in 1847, as a z with an added hook. The symbol is based on medieval cursive forms of Latin z, evolving into the blackletter z letter. In Unicode, however, the blackletter z  ("tailed z", German geschwänztes Z) is considered a glyph variant of z, and not an ezh.
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:In contexts where "tailed z" is used in contrast to tail-less z, notably in standard transcription of Middle High German, Unicode ʒ is sometimes used, strictly speaking incorrectly. Unicode offers  ȥ "z with hook" as a grapheme for Middle High German coronal fricative instead.
Clearly ezh was not used in earlier forms of English as a distinct letter, although it is often confused with some legitimate old glyphs, especially yogh Ȝ. Therefore I am removing this page from :Category:Palaeographic letter variants. --Thnidu (talk) 22:55, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not palaeographic 

message: This is completely spurious. It's a superficial similarity and pointing it out in this article seems really pointless. -- Evertype·✆ 16:44, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it is accidental, but so is the similarity to 3, yogh, etc. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 20:02, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison with Japanese 

message: I am trying to figure out the proper phonetic code for the first name of the Martian Manhunter. It seems like it might be the same or very similar to Wiktionary:Jean#French particularly in how the J (or J') is pronounced.
There's probably more but I came across a couple examples and wanted to know if I am accurately recognize "Ezh" or not.
:Wonder Woman exclaiming "J'onn!" as she hugs him in cartoon
:Martian Manhunter saying "my name is J'onn J'onzz" in live-action
The pronunciation sounds pretty similar in both cases. It's definitely not the English sort of Jean with a hard J sound like "I'm putting on a pair of jeans" or "Jean Gray". I'm not just not totally sure if this is an Ezh or something else that I'm hearing here. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 09:09, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: [[J'onn]]

message: I've been trying to figure out a way to get the image for the comparison section to go up to it, but the furthest up I can get it is just below the infobox, is there a workaround for this or no? AlexChillOut (talk) 22:28, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  ろ comparison image