Talk:Siberian cat

message: Don't use machine translators for Wikipedia please.
Also http://www.europets.info/eu/?alias=breed_detail&breed_id=475
Does anybody have a link to, or any result of the mentioned study at UCD?
No, but see the link I just added in the "external links" section. 128.175.205.52 20:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Older discussion

message: To start things off in this area, i've added wording stating that the UC Davis study is unconfirmed...Have not been able to locate anything via Google or the UC Davis homepage as of yet. If anyone can find a solid, verifiable source of results or progress for the study, please change what i've written and add the approriate info in the references section. - PhoenixFlare 12:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies for not mentioning the championship status as well - I am not a breeder, nor someone that shows cats, and I was under the impression that stating they were in the Miscellaneous class would imply they were eligible for championship status in that class. That said, after doing a little further digging on CFA's website, it appears the breed profile page is out of date, as the actual page for the Misc. class does not list the Siberian - so away it goes apparently. PhoenixFlare 14:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I’d like to RFC for adjusting the FUR / HYPOALLERGENIC section.  My understanding is that the Siberian’s saliva allegedly does not include the relevant protein (or at least includes it in limited amounts) that gives rise to allergy, rather than the fur itself.  Saliva is normally found in great quantities in cat fur (and dander), from grooming, but it is not the fur itself that is hypoallergenic (or rather, it is not the fur per se that people are allergic to in the first place, but the saliva on the fur and dander).
Dander is dried saliva that has flaked off. Since saliva is the source of the Fel-d1 protein, it becomes present on the fur and skin when a cat grooms. When the saliva dries and flakes off, the allergen can then permeate a house. The majority of people allergic to cats are allergic to dander, but some people are sensitive to the fur in general.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.172.0.195 (talk) 21:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hypoallergenic 

message: Just a request here that if you're going to edit the article, at least make sure you can write clearly - i've just removed/edited a bunch of changes made by 70.169.82.67 that mostly amounted to removing parts of existing content, and adding their own inbetween with no concern for grammar or sentence structure. 
Also removed at least 2 or 3 attempts by the same person to substitute links to a source with links to the main page for her personal cattery - this is supposed to be at least somewhat like an encyclopedia, not a place to advertise your business. PhoenixFlare 13:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing Standards 

message: A summary of this article appears on a rotational basis in Portal:Cats under the "Selected breed" section. Any improvement to this article's lead section should be copied to the relevant entry on Portal:Cats/Selected_breed. --165.21.154.90 (talk) 06:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cats portal 

message: Just a reminder: this article badly needs citations.  Claims made without citations can be deleted by any editor, even anonymous ones, at any time.  If I claim is deleted because it lacks citations, it should not be re-added without a citation.  All it would take is one editor to decide they doubt what is presented, and they could delete most of the article!  — Alan De Smet | Talk 02:28, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations needed, or article could be gutted! 

message: An anonymous editor flagged the breed standard section (and only that section!) as a copyright violation.  Sure enough, The Cat Fanciers' Association Complete Cat Book by Mordecai Siegal, Cat Fanciers' Association, pages 200-202 appears to contain nearly identical text.  [Google Books can show you the relevant excerpt.    The link given is just a copy from that book.  I think the Copyvio template is overkill, and the correct solution is just to check in a new version minus the text, but the template warns me to "Do not edit this page until an administrator has resolved this issue."  (In this case, I'll assume the section is what I shouldn't edit, not the entire article.)  So I'm leaving be for now. — Alan De Smet | Talk 22:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for locating the original source. The material has been removed. Form letter blanket warning to follow. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violation 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: I reverted this well intentioned edit, and I want to make it clear why.  First, the easy reasons: The further details about Fel d 1's source are tangential; such information belongs in Fel d 1.  The bit about light and dark colored cats is completely off topic.  There were a bunch of claims about average Fel d 1 claims; they were completely absent citations.  We need citations for these numbers.  Where did you get them? As to the Indoor Biotechnologies test, I can dig up a low quality citation: .  What do we learn? "INDOOR Biotechnologies did not carry out research on the samples and was not responsible for collecting the samples or validating the results."  It's entirely possible that the samples were contaminated before the test.  And were the Siberian results low?  "The...allergen found in the Siberian samples...are high and indicate that these cats produce significant amounts of allergen. Part of the confusion is created by the fact that the results of the mixed breed cat are exceptionally high..."  Added with care to note the weaknesses of the tests and a citation, it would be an okay addition. But as it stood, it was too problematic.   — Alan De Smet | Talk 05:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indoor Biotechnologies and my revert 

message: Regardless of scientific studies to the contrary, something needs to be added here from someone who OWNS a Siberian cat!
I purchased my (male Siberian)kitty from a breeder in International Falls, Minnesota ten years ago. I would have adopted one from the local shelter, but have family members who are allergic and no one would want to visit our home if we had any ol' indoor cat. I have had several cat-allergic friends who only have to walk in the front door of a house to know there is a cat in residence, so I wanted a kitty who wasn't going to offend anyone. :-)
During the first few months that I had my cat, the breeder contacted me and said there was a woman in our area (San Francisco Bay Area) whose daughter was allergic, and they were wondering if they could come visit my home for awhile. My first inclination was to "vacuum for company", but I thought better of it and just left the cat hair where is was for a few days. On the appointed day, the woman and her daughter arrived, sat in my living room and made small talk for about 30 minutes, while my kitty wandered back and forth between us. Finally her daughter said, "I would never know there was a cat in this house." Like-wise, my daughter-in-law and grandsons have no reaction to Nikki. 
Just to keep it real, my elderly mother was the only one who did have to take a Benedryl now and then during her three-week visits. She was asthmatic as a child and has always been violently allergic to cats. Truthfully, it might not have been a problem even with her if she had just left the cat alone. But she was so thrilled that she could actually have a cat in her lap without her chest tightening up that she was constantly petting Nikki and really overdid it. Nevertheless, she would ordinarily have been miserable after the first day in a "cat house", but the effects were minimal.
My five-year old grandson, whose family moved to California from Michigan this year, has asthma and is allergic to both dogs and cats. I would have felt terrible if my poor little buddy had a reaction to being in our house. But the first time they visited for three or four days, I hadn't even thought about it, because "nobody is allergic to Nikki" and I am not accustomed to worrying about it. After two days, my daughter finally said to me, "Well, I guess the proof is in the pudding..." She had brought all of Mason's asthma treatments with her, just in case, but it turned out - of course! - that she didn't need any of it. :-)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.212.14.218 (talk) 04:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal experience regarding the hypoallergenic qualities of this cat -- 

message: There totally used to be a picture of an award-winning Siberian on the top of this page.  Where did it go?  Shouldn't we be using the most recognized cat available for this?  Otherwise, my Siberian cat is way cuter than anything here, including that cat (everyone tells me so -- reviews include such words as "magnificent", "distractingly beautiful", and "supermodel").  Anyway, to prevent an escalating cuteness edit war, I propose that the original, award-winning cat be restored to its position of pride at the top of the page. Novalis (talk) 03:10, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure which photo you're talking about.  I've been watching this page for several years and I don't remember such a photo.  Are you referring to :File:CFA2008-Siberian.jpg?  It's still in the article, just a little further down.  It's a very small, blurry photo, so it's not a great lead photograph. I would be actually prone on removing it, but if there was some evidence that it is an award winning Siberian, that would be grounds to keep it until we can get a better photograph. — Alan De Smet | Talk 05:37, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, upon further research, it is :File:Qgcfillimor.jpg.  It doesn't say it on the photo page, but older versions of the page (one) describe it as "Vaselyok Fillimor, a Quadruple Grand Champion in TICA". I assume that this was "original research", in the sense that the person who uploaded the photo also owns the award-winning cat.  I can find no independent evidence that Vaselyok is in fact a champion of any sort, but I may just not be looking hard enough or in the right places. Novalis (talk) 19:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Where did that picture go?

message: The breed not shedding nor needing a regular brushing is a false breeder claim, I believe, with little basis in fact.  Anyone have a citation?
http://makingyourdashcount.com/2010/04/11/the-truth-about-siberian-cats/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BetseyK (talk • contribs) 01:57, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Molting" Citation???? 

message: The introduction claims that the "full" name of the Siberian is the Siberian Forest Cat, but that is not supported by any of the official references or standards, so it should be marked "dubious" pending further discussion or research.  If the claim cannot be generally supported, it should be removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.24.189.252 (talk) 19:50, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The breed is referred to as a "Siberian Forest Cat" in The Ultimate Guide to Cat Breeds by Louisa Somerville. I'll have to check my other books to see what they refer to it was there - this just happens to be the book I have open next to me right now. --TKK bark ! 18:17, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Expanding: It is also referred to interchangeably in "The Complete Cat Owner's Manual" by Susie Page as both a Siberian and a Siberian Forest Cat.--TKK bark ! 01:16, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's good enough to keep it in, with those sources, as an alternative name, but they're tertiary sources and where they're getting this idea from is unclear; one may well have gotten it from the other.  In this case, primary sources (breed registries' published standards) are needed for us to say that the full name of the Siberian is the Siberian Forest Cat (vs. a longer name of the Siberian is the Siberian Forest Cat). Unless most or all of the registries that recognize the breed use the longer version, the "the full name" construction is a WP:NOR and WP:NPOV problem.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  08:38, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Siberian vs Siberian Forest Cat 

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