Talk:Josh Groban/Archive 1

message: "HE loves Dallas and wants to sing there in June or B.J.'s Birthday."
You're absolutely right, taken care of, but next time please sign in & you could also feel free to revert the vandalism yourself. Thanks for letting me know,
Danypo 19:43, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spam?

message: The last couple of lines on the Groban page, regarding the MTV awards, seem slightly biased:  "Still his live performance of "Remember When it Rained", backed by a full orchestra, was most memorable."  I think this entire sentence can be removed.
:Exactly how is it biased? The person was noting that many people who saw Josh Groban at the Grammy Awards at that time found his performance memorable. Lenne 08:11, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not bias per se, but it is POV. It's making a subjective evaluation. This is an encyclopedic article, not a review. Citing a critic, for example, who said this would be okay, e.g. "Peter Snoodle of the New York Times noted that Grobin's live performance of 'Happy Birthday,' backed by a full orchestra, was most memorable." That's different than an individual editor here making that statement, which is subjective and POV, and therefore inappropriate for Wikipedia. The sentence had already been modified in the article, so this particlar matter is moot. Carmela Soprano 22:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  bias 

message: Blues?? Josh Groban is not a blues singer as far as I know. Why's he in that category?<<<<The preceding unsigned comment was left by I am I
Okay... the problem was with the stubs. You're right. Thanks for letting us know. You can feel free to change something like that yourself next time, just leave a note here stating what was done and why. If it gets messed up, we could always revert it. 
Danke schon! :-) Danypo 22:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Blues

message: Josh's mother is not Jewish, and although his father is Jewish, he converted to christianity. Josh cannot be considered Jewish under any Jewish sects such as Orthodox, Reform and Conservative. Therefore, I find Josh's Jewish-American status invalid. Alexisrael
:It's an ethnicity-based category as much as anything. You wouldn't twitch an eyebrow if his father was an Italian-American and he was under the Italian category, would you? Vulturell 23:45, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't know exactly which "Jews" you're talking about, but you are certainly not speaking for the whole of the Jewish people. In any case, "Jewish" is certainly considered an ethnicity beside being a religion, and in that sense he is just as Jewish as he is Norwegian. To use a neat example, Lindsey Vuolo, the subject of your last edit, has an Italian-American father who converted to Judaism when he married Vuolo's mother. Yet she is unquestionably half Italian, although she is definitely not Catholic - it is an ethnic and cultural link. Same for Groban - although he is not Jewish by religion - he is certainly part Jewish culturally and ethnically. No one would hesitate to list Vuolo under "Italian-Americans", and I don't see why the same standard shouldn't be applied here. Vulturell 05:55, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You just completey missed my point, which was that Vuolo was unquestionably half Italian (obviously she's Jewish, that wasn't the point), despite her father's conversion from Catholicism - both Lindsey and her father are Italian by ethnicity and culture, and no one would question their inclusion in an "Italian-Americans" category. Same for Groban, both him and his father are unquestionably Jewish ethnically and culturally. I don't see why the same standard that is applied to Italian-Americans shouldn't be applied to Jewish-Americans. If you check out the parent category, :Category:Jewish Americans, it explicitly states "American of Jewish ethnicity/descent" (converts have a special category, "Converts to Judaism"). Obviously, in that sense, Groban is just as Jewish as Vuolo is Italian. Vulturell 00:33, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

text: "Jewish American" is a refernce to an ethnicity and a nationality, not two ethnicities (since American is certainly not an ethnicity). Same for Jewish Russian. What is the standard for Norwegian-Americans? Italian-Americans? Eh? All the "standards" you gave me have to do with the Jewish religion. None have to do with the Jewish ethnicity. That is because there are no standards for the Jewish ethnicity, just like there usually are no standards for any other ethnicities. Josh is Episcopalian by religion (and is listed in that section), and is Jewish and Norwegian by ethnicity (and is listed under those sections). It doesn't get any simpler than that. Some people may not think of him as "really" Jewish, and for all I know some Norwegians may not think of him as "really" Norwegian. But the "Jewish-American" label is inherently one of ethnicity, not religion (as the category identifies in its description, and as it implies by the "-American" part, since there are no "Catholic-American" categories or any such similar ones for other religions). Logically speaking, he can't possibly be listed under Norwegian-Americans without being listed under Jewish-Americans. Besides, how do you know that he has "Norwegian identity and culture"? Moreover, I just realized that if it was his mother who was Jewish, and had converted to Christianity, etc. then we wouldn't even be having this discussion, and that's really annoying. Ethnicity, religion and ethnic identity should not be ruled over by a group of laws that are followed only by one or several groups. Wikipedia is run from a neutral point of view, not from the point of view of the combined Jewish religious denominations, so we have to treat the Italian, Norwegian, Jewish, and any other ethnic groups equally. Vulturell 04:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Fair enough. Vulturell 21:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish-American Internal Link 

message: *The 5 Browns
I don't see how this addition has any connection to Josh. Unless someone can justify a strong connection, and include it in the article, it looks like an inappropriate link and it should be removed. I'll let someone who does more editing here remove it, if the above conditions aren't met within a few days. -- Fyslee 08:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: See also

message: The question is in the title.?.
Hi: Josh has plans to release his 3rd studio album in the fall of 2006. It will coincide, most likely, with the start of his fall tour, to promote the album.
Thanks!
Danypo e 18:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New album? 

message: Josh's new album was officially released today, entitled "Awake." Blondie16 22:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album Released Today 

message: Somehow I don't think that, that is a picture of Mr. Groban would someone please take care of that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.2.126.55 (talk • contribs).
:It's fixed now. --Ebyabe 13:04, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: I found out that Josh's full name is Joshua Winslow Groban. Cool! Winslow is kind of a funny name.
--We can do without emotional embellishments. This isn't a fan board.SweetTalker 02:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stuff About Josh 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Closercover.jpg

message: Does anyone know how many albums he sold altogether?
I know it's more than 2 million but how much more?
-Christine  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.111.15.73 (talk) 04:52, August 20, 2007 (UTC) 
The last that I heard it was over 13 million.  Impressive really.
-Brittany  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.42.85 (talk) 07:30, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey... 

message: I just added a new update under charity about a donation Josh Groban recently made.Wolfman1992 21:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New updates 

message: Is it normal/correct for the Concerts section to include non-concert appearances like the Macy's parade?  Also, it seems wrong for appearances on other CD's like the Troy soundtrack to be included in the concert list.  Seems like there should be a separate section for these.  See Sting for an example of what I'm thinking of. Dstumme (talk) 15:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerts section 

message: It seems that Grobanite is kind of a stub, and I don't see it becoming a full article, somehow.  Might I suggest that it be merged into a new section in this article?  Please do correct me if I'm wrong and this shouldn't be merged.  If nobody objects, in a few days I'll commit the merge.--I80and (talk) 00:58, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno, I think it should be deleted, and made a simple redirect to Josh Groban. The "sources" in it are messageboards, which aren't reliable sources. Unless some could be found, I don't think it would be an appropriate addition to the article about Groban. It's more fancrufty than anything else, imho. :) -Ebyabe (talk) 01:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting.  That was my first reaction, too, but I figured this would be safer if someone actually did like the content on the article.  Should I just  redirect it instead?--I80and (talk) 17:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I highly doubt this article is verifiable, let alone notable.  I'd send it through WP:AfD to see what happens.  x42bn6 Talk Mess 18:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm reluctant to nominate it for several reasons, but the most relevant is that it could be a decently helpful redirect, and according to WP:AFD redirecting is preferable to deletion if possible.--I80and (talk) 21:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be happy to nominate it for AfD if you do not wish to.  x42bn6 Talk Mess 23:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking redirect would be the way to go, too, actually. Maybe we could try that, and see if attempts are made to "recreate" it? -Ebyabe (talk) 00:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I'll go ahead and make it redirect for now.  If anybody wants to nominate it for deletion, I don't see a reason not to.--I80and (talk) 03:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge from [[Grobanite]] 

message: Hello, I'm new here and basically flying blind.  I am a journalism student in Minnesota.  Anyways, the wording of a sentence in Influences and personal details threw me off.  
He is single, but dated January Jones from 2003-2006, breaking up in the summer of that year. However, they "remain friends".  I switched it to He is single, but dated January Jones from 2003-2006, breaking up in the summer of that year. They remain friends.  That's a little bit less implicative.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.197.207.245 (talk) 00:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wording of relationship