Talk:Montreal West, Quebec

message: If this is the former city of Montreal West, why is the page Montréal-Ouest, when the page goes on to say the name of the town in Montréal-Ouest in French?  Surely this is the English wikipedia? Nfitz 16:23, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Montreal West instead of Montréal-Ouest

message: Before moving this article (and this goes for advocates of both spellings), please post your proposal on this Talk page and on Wikipedia:Requested moves and follow the accepted procedures for changing page names.  --Russ Blau (talk) 19:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of article 

message: The town no longer exists as the political entity it once was.  For most of the last hundred or so years it was Montreal West.  During the latter phases of it's existence, the provincial bureaucrats might have referred to it as Montréal-Ouest, but as this is a page about a historic town, then surely the spelling used for most of it's history is best.  Also, we should be looking at the Town's records, not the Province's, if you want to see what was done at the end of it's existence.  I'm not really up on the demerger, but if you go to the City of Montreal's web-site, it calls the area Montreal West not Montréal-Ouest!  How can you get any more official than this? link?  Also, compare this page to the Wikipedia page!  Looks like a copyright violation!  That page claims copyright on some of the text on the Wikipedia page!
Not sure who changed the page.  But it now says Montreal-West rather than Montreal West - I've never seen that spelling before! Nfitz 23:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How can it be anything other than Montreal West + Copyright violation?

message: While we have been discussing this, someone moved the page back to Montréal-Ouest.  But they have not contributed to the discussion here.  I'm going to move this properly back to Montreal West. Nfitz 00:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Someone moved the page back to Montréal-Ouest

message: Here's a link to the English version of the Borough site:
Here's a link to the French version of the Borough site:
Notice the logo at the top of both pages (the green leaf with cote-st-luc/hamstead/montreal west written).  You'll notice that on the English page, it says "Montreal West" while in French is says "Montreal-Ouest".  
Also, here's a reference on the City of Montreal website (in the English section) where they refer to it as "Montreal West" if you scroll down a bit: 
If you look at the French version of the same page , you'll find that it is there referred to as "Montreal-Ouest".
I feel that that pretty much settles the debate in favor of the English version of this pages being named "Montreal West".
I'm afraid as an English person born in Montreal I also don't appreciate the tone of your previous message.  Wikipedia is based on fact and research, not personal politics.  -Dross82
If you can prove to me that you're right, I'd be happy to agree with your position.  I'd like to see some proof, however.  I've provided you with links to prove my position, you should do the same.
In fact, I went to the "agglomération of Montréal" website you speak of to see if you're claim was true.  Here's what I found:
ENGLISH - "Montreal West"
FRENCH - "Montreal-Ouest
Dross82
The other question will be what the new municipality operates under when it actually starts operating; it was quite clear that when part of City of Montréal, the spelling was Montreal West.  Given the linguist bigots that seem to migrate to the Quebec bureaucracy, I'm not sure that how they spell things is realistic and fair guidance to how they are spelled in the English language.  Besides, as pointed out above, even the Québec government is using the Montreal West spelling interchangeable with Montréal-Ouest. Nfitz 18:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Examples to Prove Nfitz to be Correct

message: If there's a vote then, 
* Support. LuiKhuntek 23:00, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voting 

message: Check this out:
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) - Dross82 01:47, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Guidlines 

message: We went through a proper move request process on this.  The conclusion was it should be Montreal West, not Montréal-Ouest.  Stop changing the page.  It's immaterial what the Government of Quebec, when operating in French, thinks the name legally is ... the use of language can't be dictated by a government ... particularly when most of what you cited is not even in English.  As others have pointed out, the Montreal West name is what is used in English; the town itself, and the City of Montréal use Montreal West not Montréal-Ouest in English documents.  And the Wikipedia standard is to use English in these cases.  I don't see how much more clear-cut this can get. Nfitz 18:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please stop moving this page 

message: Please mail them and have them send more info.  I'd be glad to see it.  The PDF that you posted definitely has some validity in terms of official Quebec government naming.  I would once again appreciate it if you wouldn't resort to personal attacks.  I've not once attacked you personally.
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) still stands though, and makes everything else irrelevent, including the Quebec government stance on the issue.  If you keep acting this way and changing this page without everyone's consent you're going to get yourself banned I'm afraid.  Wikipedia isn't all about YOU and your pro-French crusade.  You need to respect concensus, as well as the above mentioned Wikipedia naming convention.
If you want to go off and create your own wiki website and do this that's fine, but you're being unrespectful here. Dross82 01:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I never accepted that the official name is Montréal-Ouest when talking in English; I think you misconstrued something I said.  I'm not even sure it has an official name in English!  I also never said it was a city; why do you keep saying this?   How can it be a city with a population of only about 5,000 people?  
Dieu et mon droit is done that way, because that is the way it is more common used in English.  I'm no expert in that area, but the denizens over there changed it back after you changed it. If you have issue, you should discuss it there.
Montréal-Est should be Montréal-Est as far as I'm concerned.  Personally, I've not heard it called Montreal East much at all.  I've never seen that page before, and interestingly it is Montreal East!  Doesn't make sense to me ... I'll move it.  I'm not as familiar with Montréal-Nord, and perhaps that is open to debate, as I had Montreal North more often, but I've also heard Montréal-Nord in English.  It's in French now, and I'll leave that alone. Nfitz 21:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I'm Tired of This, But My Last Point is This

message: It's simply based on usage.  I'm not aware what people call Le Sud-Ouest when speaking English.  I've always heard it referred to by it's neighbourhood.  Ville Emard, Little Burgundy, Saint-Henri, The Point ... so I won't comment.  But we call Ville Emard, Ville Emard, not Town of Emard, or Emard ...   And we call Notre-Dame-de-Grace as Notre-Dame-de-Grace or NDG; not Our Lady of Grace or OLG ...  I can't imagine you'd put "Our-Lady-Of-Grace" in Wikipedia.  Not sure what the concern is.  This is how English works, and how it has always worked; over time things will change, and the language will change, which is why we call Mountain Street da la Montagne, and St. James is normally called St. Jacques and we drive cars and not automobiles.  There is not, or has ever been any committee that chooses words, correct spellings, or the like.  In English, if you can't find the right word, invent it; and if everyone starts using it, it's a word!  It's a fundamental difference between English and many modern languages.  And interestingly, mirrors the difference between English Common Law and French Civil Law. Nfitz 23:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To close this discussion... 

message: -  > quite a way of rewriting a talk page for User:Orthodoxe ? Sebjarod 12:19, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism ? 

message: About the train station of Montréal-Ouest of the AMT, do you now if it is in the territory of the city or it is in the terretory of the city of Montreal. Thank you. Orthodoxe
* Good question. Both actually.  The border itself are the backyards between Brock and Connaught.  If you look at Google maps you can see this line.  The station building itself is mostly in Montreal, though the most western portion of the building is barely in Montreal West.  The platform itself is about 60% in Montreal and 40% in Montreal West.  The locals tend to treat everything between Westminster and Elmhurst as the station, and enter the platforms from the level crossing.  Not sure if there is a tunnel there now or not - didn't used to be.  The AMT signs just say Montréal-Ouest (at least since the renovations in the early 1980's.  Not sure if the CN or Via Rail signs are still there or not ...
** Personnaly, I have the tentation to put the train station Montréal-Ouest in the city of Montreal. Because, if i look on the web site of the AMT, we can find that the adress of the station is on the avenue Harley and this avenue is in Montreal because in Montreal-Ouest, this street is name Broughton. Thank you for your help.
*** Hmm, interesting ... though  AMT notes it is in Montréal-Ouest not Montréal.  They may be something strange with the boundary at the station ... might be tough to figure out without looking at a legal plan.  From the property line the stations platforms are partly in each city, while the station building is mostly in Montreal and partly in Montreal-West.  I'd just say it is on the Montreal/Montreal West boundary (as it does appear to be) ...  Nfitz
****I have the tentation to put the train station Montréal-Ouest in the city of Montreal. Because, if i look on the web site of the AMT, we can find that the adress of the station is on the avenue Harley and this avenue is in Montreal because in Montreal-Ouest, this street is name Broughton. Thank you.
*****Though AMT notes the municipality as Montréal-Ouest not Montréal - otherwise I'd agree with you.  What you would need is the legal survey, but in the absence of that, I'd stick with what the agency that runs's the station says, or just simply note that it is on the border, and not get any detailed that that. Nfitz 20:53, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montréal-Ouest Train Station 

message: Opening paragraph made no sense.  First it said it was a town, and then called it a city.  Removed ambiguous text. Nfitz 17:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would expect you to know that under Quebec law, no distinction exists between cities and towns; there's only one word for both, ville. English usage may informally differentiate between cities and towns, but this is based on subjective and non-standard criteria, and thus it's not a distinction that we can presume to draw on Wikipedia. Montreal West has ville status; that's the bottom line. Bearcat 03:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a city 

message: The article says "Montreal West is known for having the best English public high school in the island of Montreal: Royal West Academy".  This is a highly subjective statement.  Not only that, but "best" in what sense?  Best academically?  in sports?  for slackers?  what?  Also, it should at least say "on the island" not "in" it.  I hope it wasn't a Royal Wester that wrote that sentence! :)  I am not disputing that it is a good school, but such a statement isn't even pretending to be at all neutral. 70.53.193.107  10:23, 20 June 2006
Be bold.  The page certainly needs some polishing! Nfitz 07:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal West the Best? 

message: Can someone familiar with Montreal West please convert the external links into references? MTLskyline (talk) 03:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: It's interesting that no mention of the history of Montreal West is made in this article. The Town's archives are full of wonderful photos and historical documents. Montreal West is an important example of the Garden Suburb Movement, and yet no mention. Yet, there is a ridiculous forum about Montreal West versus Montréal-Ouest.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.27.243.194 (talk) 17:18, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Train Suburb, First Garden Suburb 

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