Talk:Professional wrestling holds

message: How about the reverse chin lock? I mean the move where the victim is sitting and the attacking wrestler kneels down and puts then in a chin lock from behind. It's a pretty common move, but not specifically documented here. Maxwell7985 (talk) 20:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverse chin lock

message: The picture used doesn't accurately depict a Cloverleaf.
:Yeah it is. It's not the best picture of one possible, but it's a Texas Cloverleaf.Bdve 06:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't look like a cloverleaf. The wrestler seems to be hooking the wrong leg.83.233.58.40 15:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Texas Cloverleaf

message: I think the different types of pins (including Sunset Flip) need a better spot than just under Misc. considering how frequently they're used and how many there are. And I don't see the very basic Inside Cradle on any wrestling move article.  Maybe someone categorized it under a different name, but that seems unlikely.  I'm going to add it to Misc. and I may add the School Boy roll up also. If they're already added, you can delete mine and please direct me to where they are. User:Caleson August 1, 2006
:Pinfall (professional wrestling)Bdve 23:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inside Cradle & School Boy Pin

message: Should we move the Table of Contents on this page (and other lists like this) over to the right like it is on Pinfall (professional wrestling)? -- bd (talk to me) 03:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That should only be used for pages with a low image count and/or a short length. This one is neither and think it should keep the TOC at it's position. –– Lid(Talk) 04:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call on the images, which I didn't even consider. -- bd (talk to me) 04:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: TOC to the right?

message: I just added this tonight under Arm locks:
Belly to Back Wristlock
From behind a seated opponent, the attacker pulls upward the opponent's elbow while pushing his palm back into the attacker’s chest. This causes pressure on the opponent’s wrist and potential stretching of the triceps and teres major muscles. The hold was frequently used by Barry Darsow under the name Breaker 1-9 and later as Barely Legal.
I originally had it under the general Arm locks but now put it specifically under Wristlocks. Would this actually constitute as a wristlock, and if not, what should the generic name be? The attacker doesn't actually hold the wrist; he presses it against his own chest while forcing the victim's elbow back. Thanks. Cale 01:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belly to Back Wristlock/Barely Legal 

message: I was wondering the difference between an inverted move and a reverse move.  For example, the indian death lock has 2 modifications on this page.  The inverted and reverse indian death locks.  However, the reverse indian death lock says it's a modification of an inverted indian death lock.  So wouldn't the proper name be a reverse, inverted indian death lock?
Thank you.
:In truth there is no difference. Names of move variations generally depend on the commentator calling them.«»bd(talk stalk) 21:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inverted or Reverse 

message: Sources need to be added. At the moment this is original research. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 23:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:OR]] 

message: I don't recall seeing it being a fireman's carry as often as I've seen it being used with the opponent in a crucifix position.
:Different move, the crucifix version is a throw, the spinning crucifix toss. –– Lid(Talk) 12:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airplane Spin 

message: While I love Danielson, Poison Sawada JULIE was doing the sit-down version of the Cattle Mutilation for years before Danielson was even in training, I believe it would be a good idea to mention him, as well as the sitting variation as well. -- Spunk  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.252.199.133 (talk) 01:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cattle Mutilation 

message: How do some people called the Six Seconds Magic properly or techically? jlog3000 (talk) 14:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Six Seconds Magic 

message: The cobra clutch is much similar to the sleeper hold, but more like a tazzmision, but you pull the free arm. The most recent cobra clutch that WWE has brought is a move on Smackdown vs Raw 2008
Without wanting to delete, does this actually make sense to anyone? Вlazzeee ♦ 16:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think anyone will object if this is deleted; I just saw there already is a Cobra Clutch section! --Вlazzeee ♦ 21:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cobra Clutch

message: Numerous articles link to this one for the hold "Airplane spin." However, that hold is not present on this page. Is it even a hold? Said move is not present on any of the pro wrestling move pages. I've never seen it performed. Could someone who knows more about it add it to the appropriate page? Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airplane spin 

message: There's a missing hold that, as far as I know, is usually just called a "leg grapevine" or something similar. It starts with a spinning toe hold, like a figure four, but the attacking wrestler just drops down and does a lock on the one leg. Surely experienced fans know what I'm talking about. It should be added. Maxwell7985 (talk) 05:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It should only be added when there is a source that proves its existence and describes the move. Nikki♥311 06:35, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing hold

message: from reading the descrition of the Reverse figure four leglock it's basically the same as the regular figure four, except "Spinning toehold" is replaced with "turning 90 degrees", which is technically what a spinning toe hold does. What's the difference here? I think the Reverse figure four leglock is not described right, I've read that the "Reverse Figure Four" is a term used for the Sharpshooter. MPJ-DK (talk) 12:08, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverse figure four leglock?? 

message: This is really bugging me as I can't find any proof that those observing this page will accept, but you have the move descriptions for the Indian Deathlock and the Inverted Indian Deathlock reversed!
Quoted from the Indian Deathlock article: "A standing version can also be applied which sees a standing wrestler place one of his legs between the legs of a face-down opponent and then bends one leg behind the leg of the wrestler, placing it on top of the knee pit of the opponents other leg. The wrestler then picks up the straight leg of the opponent, bends it backwards to lock the other leg in the knee pit and places the foot in front of the shin of the standing leg in the knee pit, thus locking the leg.
Inverted Indian deathlock
With the opponent on his back, the wrestler standing beside him, sits with his leg over and between the opponent's legs (often using a legdrop to the knee). Then places the opponents far leg in the knee-pit of the near leg, finishing the submission by putting the opponents ankle on top of his own ankle and rolling both onto their bellies and pushing back with the wrestlers ankle."
Definition of Inverted Indian Deathlock quoted from cow wrestling (http://www.cow-wrestling.com/cow-blog/data/0087.html): "Grab both feet of a facedown opponent, cross his left ankle into the crook of his right knee, and then bend the right leg at the knee to apply pressure (using either your hand or your right knee). "
Supporting definition from the Big Book of Wrestling Holds (http://deathvalleydriver.com/bbbowm/part2.htm): "The victim is face down on the mat, the attacker crosses of the victim's ankles into the crook of the victim's other knee. The attacker uses the back of their leg to apply pressure to the victim's leg that is up and puts their leg in between the victim's entangled legs. Then the attacker can stand and apply pressure, or may fall backwards applying pressure to the victim's legs."
Definition of Indian Deathlock from cow wrestling (http://www.cow-wrestling.com/cow-blog/data/0117.html): "Grab both feet of a fallen opponent, and cross them beneath each other (as if sitting "Indian style"). Place your shins on his knees, and lean forward to apply pressure. "
Supporting definition from the BBOWH: "The victim is on their back. The attacker has the victim's legs crossed as if the victim was sitting "indian style". The attacker places his knee on the shins of the victim's crossed legs and applies pressure to the victim's knees. "
Anywho: Indian Deathlock = British Figure Four and the opponent is face up. Inverted Indian Deathlock is when the opponent is face down. I'm editing the pro wrestling wikia (http://prowrestling.wikia.com/wiki/Wrestling_holds) and I suggest anyone to go there for a more complete move list.ChristianColde (talk) 01:38, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Indian Deathlock confused for Inverted Indian Deathlock

message: I think that the description of the Anaconda Vice could be done a bit better. Read the very first sentence. The Anaconda Vice is NOT a move from Judo or BJJ, only similar to an arm triangle. For some reason, the next sentence says that it in fact IS an arm triangle. What is the difference? 
Well, the Anaconda vice wraps the opponents hand back towards the mat, and the hands grab their wrist, from the images I've seen of CM Punk. This is not a legit armlock, and it only is possible to cut off the blood from one side of the neck, while also leaving the windpipe open.
The BJJ version has their arm draped over their face, an arm threaded underneath the arm, behind the head, and grabbing the bicep, and then the other arm grabbing either their head or your own, for extra tightness. Completely different move. --Outi-Di (talk) 07:34, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anaconda Vice? 

message: The "beard grip" was shown for the first time at Sydney Stadium on September 11 [1933], when "Whiskers" Blake met Tom Lurich in a wrestling match. In this picture Lurich has a firm grip on his opponent's beard.  The Courier-Mail, Saturday 16 September 1933. --Jaanusele (talk) 18:46, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "beard grip" ? 

message: Can we please stop whoever keeps trying to change 'Tilt-a-whirl' to 'Tilt-the-world'?  The move has never been called a 'tilt-the-world', and the move is named after the 'Tilt-a-whirl' ride.  'Tilt-the-world' has no basis in it's name, and it's only one person who keeps changing it back.  96.225.104.235 (talk) 22:03, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tried to contact the person on their talk page, but they so far have refused to reply. Nikki♥311  02:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously, can we do something about this?  The same user seems to be intent on keeping it as the wrong term, with no sourcing, and refuses to give any real reason for his edits.  It's getting ridiculous and there seems to be no way to stop him from changing it back almost immediately to keep his errant term.  96.225.104.235 (talk) 17:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I put a level 3 warning on user's talk page regarding changing other people's talk comments. There's a WP:ANI administrator's notice board. There's also the WP:VAND with instuctions on how to place your own warnings. A user usually needs to go past a final warning (level 4) before being blocked. The most powerful one-time template is Template:Uw-vandalism4im but only use this for blatant vandalism. Stillwaterising (talk) 17:38, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tilt-a-Whirl 

message: In the Chris Benoit - Sid Vicious match from WCW Souled Out 2000, there is a move which Benoit performs, described as follows:
Sid is on his stomach. Benoit is standing, facing Sid's feet. Benoit crosses Sid's legs at the ankle, with Sid's right foot forward. Benoit places his right foot between where he has crossed Sid's feet, locking Sid's feet in place. Benoit then arches backward, with hands locked and reaches under Sid's jaw, and stretches forward, in a bow-and-arrow type hold. Was this a one-off hold on Benoit's part, or was this a regular move? And if it was a regular move, did it have a name??
If my description confuses you, I have the footage of the match in question, culled from the Chris Benoit "Hard Knocks" WWE DVD, which I can send to whoever for reference.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blozier2006 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chris Benoit hold; what was it? 

message: Did someone remove the "Chicken Wing" section? I could have sworn there was such a section(and looking at various wrestlers' pages suggests that there was in fact such a section at some time in the past).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.9.252 (talk) 15:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicken wing 

message: "The wrestler faces the opponent while both are in same position (prone or standing). The wrestler then places his/her forearm under the opponent's chin and his/her armpit on top of the chin. The wrestler may also underhook the opponent's arm with his/her free arm."
Can this be changed, as it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.158.139.227 (talk) 23:15, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Front Chancery 

message: Currently, the section describes a belly-down armbar where the other wrestler is lying "prone".--Razionale (talk) 12:40, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cross armbar 

message: I've seen this move described as a Full Nelson applied with legs. Is there any way we can insert that into the description without it reading too clunky? See here: http://www.gifsoup.com/view6/2595743/lotus-lock-o.gif compared to http://members.fortunecity.com/furnacehot/holds/image7.jpg  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.18.235 (talk) 14:51, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lotus Lock 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect The STFU. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so.  70.51.203.69 (talk) 02:37, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The STFU listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Any way to add in that she's illegally using the ropes for leverage? 180.129.62.248 (talk) 05:48, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Natalya picture description 

message: Should it be explained that there is a popular perception that the whole of this "Manitoban Death Grip" business is a set of phony moves in a fake sport? 213.205.198.136 (talk) 14:03, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well apart from all the legitimate submission holds described, its otherwise rather redundant as everyone already knows pro wrestling a work as noted by this very site. 86.6.128.205 (talk) 10:26, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Nature of pro wrestling

message: When viewing this page on mobile, some pictures with captions seem to be in the wrong place, for instance the picture of Mr Kennedy performing a fireman's carry appears in the electric chair section. This only seems to happen on mobile, since I looked at the article on my laptop and it looked fine. Is there any way to place the images that can prevent this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePurpleOne73 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Viewing on mobile 

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