Talk:Mirza Ghulam Ahmad/Archive 1

message: Wikipedia has a neutral POV that must be maintained, that is why I have reverted the article.
DigiBullet 07:20, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: About the birthdate: I don't know enough to be any authority on the subject, but I'm not sure we should state it without some qualifier, like a question mark. What exactly is the evidence for the date? Do we know that Ahmad himself recognized that day as his birthday? Lots of generally reliable English language sources say he was born in 1839, without giving a certain day, so I'm hesitant to bluntly contradict them without some fairly good reason. Everyking 19:55, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthdate 

message: The table of events clearly shows that NPOV is not being followed.  "# 1907 Dowie dies in utter disgrace."  "1893 Prophesy disgrace of Pandit Lekh Ram.".  These "disgraces" are clearly intended to promote Ahmad's ideology.  While statements like the above do not necessarily violate NPOV, on their own, without context, cannot be viewed as anything but as an attempt to proselytize. --GNU4Eva 13:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV clearly not in play 

message: Just wondering are there too many links at the bottom of the page?  --GNU<B>4</B>Eva 20:18, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link farm? 

message: Mubasher, if you redirect your talkpage there is no way of communicating with you directly. The info that you are adding is highly pro-POV and is more relevant to the Ahmadiyya page. freestylefrappe 02:36, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Love et cetera 

message: Can someone do something with the chronology list?   It contains a lot of cryptic information not references in the rest of the article, making it often more perplexing than informational.   Also I noticed some questionable grammar, a couple of typos and whatnot, but don't have time to go back through right now ... if anyone feels like proofreading, there's a spot or two that could use it.  --72.25.8.86 00:45, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronology, Grammar 

message: Under Controversy section, in relation to Abrogation, how does claiming that Quran is free of imperfection cause concern to Muslims? It is claimed in the article that Muslims of his (Ahmed’s) time believed in abrogation (proof/reference?). How many of them believed this? Dose majority of Muslims (then and now) believe that Quran is imperfect? No. Rather most Muslims will be offended at the mere mention of it. Isn’t it a case of trying too hard to find controversy in whatever Ahmadis believe?
This is also true to some extent regarding the militant version of Jihad. The fact that vast majority of Muslims living in both Muslim countries or otherwise are/were not up in arms does show that most Muslims consider militant Jihad to be an exception rather than norm. It seems to me that the point of view of a small extremist (but vocal) minority is being presented as the view of majority of Muslims and Hazrat Ahmad’s view being declared controversial merely for not going along with the militant minority. Pleasse see Jihad. Yahya 04:00, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy for controversy sake? 

message: Qadianism is also the accepted name of this new religion. The insistenece by Qadianis to call themselves as Muslims must be balanced by the Muslim counter argument that Qadianis are non-Muslims. This view is repeatedly being censored and removed by Qadianis. It must be emphasized that this is not a Qadiani website and both Qadiani and Muslim arguments must be presented. Muslims are not claiming to be Qadianis but it is Qadianis that claim to be Muslims while following their non-Muslim beliefs.
Siddiqui 04:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Qadianism

message: I am attempting a re-write of this article. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a contorversial figure and I would welcome any ideas or suggestions before I make extensive changes. Nazli 11:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article re-write 

message: 1. Article shortened to a reasonable length
2. Long rambling biography cut - link to biography available for those interested
3. Tried to highlight the important controversial issues surrounding him
4. Attempt at a NPOV
5. Reverted photograph to an older version which does not prolaim him to be the Messiha or Mehdi
6. Removed details of differences between the two Ahmadi sects and mainstream Muslims - these are available to those interested at Ahmadi, Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement and Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
Nazli 19:38, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes in article 

message: The old version is loaded with pov statements and has many factual errors. If some of the old material is important please incorporate it into the new version or alternatively modify the old version so it is more suited as a wiki article. Reverting back to a version with a neutrality dispute is counter productive. Thank you. Nazli 03:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion of Article 

message: The fact the Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is highly respected by his followers is already stated in the very first paragraph. However from a global perspective the contorversy surrouding him warrants the highlight. Also the use of the term "controversial" is not used in a derogatory or disrepectful fashion. Hence the reversion. Nazli 02:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion of recent changes 

message: People argue about the nature of claim made Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahab, was right of wrong you can discuss forever, but do not forget that we are just only humans, with limited capacities, I do not belief if some one claim such a big thing on the name of God and if he is wrong, God will wait so long to finished his teaching. No one who ever claimed that he was from God and was lair, never existed too long, hence here is Community still spreading in large numbers every years.. Do you think you know more than God ? and do you belief that God will let Ahmadiyya Community spreading like this like last 100 years so on the name of God if they were wrong. ? NO, so in which world you people are living ! You can do what ever you want but if you are wrong.. you will remain like that.  phippi46 11:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  All We ever know 

message: Changes were reverted in following areas:
1. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's legal name does not include the term 'Qadiyani'. The usage of this term is already clearly mentioned. However insisting on adding this term to this name does not make sense.
2. He did not claim to be the 'second coming' of Muhammad - he only claimed to be the second coming of Christ. His reference to Muhammad was in the context of a 'Zil' as per Sufi tradition.
3. The fact that he spend a lot of time studiying the Quran is well documented.
4. Also the fact that his early teaching were well recieved by the local clerics is also well documented.
5. He specifically encouraged stepping away from the idea of 'militant' jihad.
6. Ahmadi vs Mainstream Muslims beliefs are compared and contrasted in detail in the [Ahmadi] article. This is not the place for the comparison.
7. The list of ahmadiyya links my be long, however deleting all of them is absurd and against the npov policy.
Nazli 04:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Changes 

message: I would like to Padlock this article as it has been vandalised repeatidly by various users. I, as and Ahmadi, would like to defend my Religion. So my question is: how do I padlock this article?
: Your religion doesn't need article padlocking to "defend" it. Your religion is above some idiot vandalism. But, i do support padlocking if it will "defend" wikipedia. Happy editing. --Merbabu 15:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Padlocking 

message: The following addition to the aritcle was reverted by me for reasons given below:
"There have been many ups and downs in the Ahmadiya Movement. One serious setback was the conversion of Shaikh Rohail, the head of Ahmadiya Movement in Germany, to Islam in the year 2001"
1. Shaik Roahil was not the head of the "Ahmadiya Movement" in Germany. He belonged to the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in Germany. The Ahmadiyya Movement in Germany has two representations, the other one being the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement, with which Shaik Roahil had no link.
2. The "conversion" of Shaik Roahil to "Islam" if it is deemed important enough to warrant addition to wikipedia should be done in the article on the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.
Nazli 06:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by [[203.81.192.67]] 

message: I'm fed up of vandalism of the Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Ahmadi and Ahmadiyya Muslim Community pages.
I am an Ahmadi
I am fed up of people changing facts,names and dates around. for starters it's Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and NOT Ghulam Mirza. People think that by switching the names around they will be able to degrade the person.
I'm also fed up with people adding comments like Kaafir and Imposter and also changing facts about the passing on of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad with such nonsence I will not quote.
Also, please note that ALL of his followers believe him to be a NON-LAW BEARING Prophet of Allah. The Ahmadiyya Movement in Lahore (Ahmadiyya Anjuman) do not accept Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be a Prophet.  Here is solid proof of this. Read this site and tell me for yourself..........do these people REALLY follow Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad?! I admit that they do defend his claims to a certain extent, but they do NOT follow his teachings. WHY WOULD THEY SEPARATE THEMSELVES FROM US OTHERWISE?
And for those Hypocrites who try to take my statements into the belief that we separated ourselves from other Muslims, I've got only one thing to say to you.................IT WAS YOU WHO PERSECUTED US, YOU WHO TURNED AGAINST US AND YOU WHO TODAY ARE STILL PERSECUTING US. YOU KILL US, TORMENT AND TORTURE US, DENY US THE RIGHTS TO CARRY OUT PROPER SALAT IN A MOSQUE BY NOT LETTING US OFFER ADHAN AND WRECKING OUR MOSQUES BY PUTTING UP SIGHS THAT SAY QUADIANI PLACE OF WORSHIP, OR EVEN STONING US.
And another thing..............we are AHMADI and not QADIANI  I am MAURITIAN. my ancestors had no connection with Qadian and converted in MAURITIUS. Then there are African, Chinese and various other races who have converted. Are you going to call them all Qadiani too?! THINK BEFORE ACTING
I'm not too pleases with the ANTI-AHMADIYYA external link either. Would anyone put up links for such sites as "Anti-semetic" or "Anti-Christianity"? I don't think so. Therefore why is there a link for an Anti-Ahmadiyyah site up?!
I know for a fact that I am a Muslim. I believe in Allah, offer Salat at the prescribed times, read the Holy Quran and go to Mosque. I also believe in the Holy Prophet (S.A.W). I follow all five pillars of Islam with pride and humility. I am therefore a muslim
I have tried to peroect or semi-protect the pages regarding my faith, but it seems Wikipedia is in no hurry to help. At least partially protect it..........anything?...........NO!! My protection act was reverted
Wikipedia would rather protect other pages like those of Terrorists and Dictators than a peaceful faith who have never before gone to war or caused any kind of abuse, physical, mental or otherwise to anyone living on earth; this includes racist remarks, 
For example, as you can clearly see, we have never vandalised pages regarding Sunni, Shi'a or ANY other page for that matter. Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Sikh, Baha'i, Judaism...you name it, we have never vandalised it. We have a a motto which is the pride of our community: LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE
I leave you now to think about all I have written on my faith. It's up to you to decide..........can the pages regarding the Ahmadis be protected or even semi protected?
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A couple of things.  First, you being a Muslim or Non-Muslim is irrelevant to this page.  Nobody cares.  If false statements are being made on the page, they should be edited out.  Second, pages relating to Sunnis and Shias also have false or exagerating statments made on them which are the editted.  Third, and most important, STOP playing the victim.  You persecuted use, called us bad names, blah blah blah.  If you want to "bitch" add a link to the Ahmadiyya(Qadani) page and knock yourself out.  You are not the first to be presecuted and nor have you faced the worst persecution.  Your faith has some objectionable qualities to it, but what Faith out their doesn't.  (For the Record, I am a Sunni MUSLIM).  However, your own people have created a culture of segregation, where you keep your faith (salat) separate from the rest.  And you have your own distinct faith, whether its Islam or Not, depends on your opinion.  What is true is the majority if the MUSLIMS in the world, don't believe that Mirza Ahmed was Jesus, is Jesus or any the Mehdi.  Other than that, we are about as similar as Jews are to Christians or as Buddhists are to Hindus.
Just for the record, it was the Sunni Muslims who first segregated the Ahmadis by declaring that offering of Salat prayers behind was unIslamic. 
SEMTEX85 (talk) 13:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: The refferences for this category are  & . --Neuday 23:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Category:Deaths from diarrhea