Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask/Archive 1

message: Well, now that I've made a more indepth mask section, can I delete the previous one, or is mine a bit too much?
:The previous section probably shouldn't be completely deleted. I combined the two for now. --Matteh 01:32, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: We do not need a list of masks. GameFAQs covers that well enough. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Masks

message: "Gaiden" means "sidestory" (approximately) in Japanese. It was the development title for Majora's Mask. (It is, after all, a sidestory.) Setokaiba 07:30, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is Zelda Gaiden?? 

message: I have one question. What on Earth is the following phrase doing in a Legend of Zelda article?
:: David Cady of ChristianAnswers commented, "The game does have a darker feel than the original, though I believe that it has improved in its morals."
Yes, it is all good and well that it has a darker feel than the original but what on Earth does its morales have to do with gameplay? Couldn't a better quote be used?
Let's have his comment put into context shall we?
::The game does have a darker feel than the original, though I believe that it has improved in its morals. There is magic used, but not magic by witches or sorcerers. It is only used to increase your sword attack or a new arrow attack. The violence is at a minimal; there is no blood. You just fight against creatures, like giant spiders, or fish; no human harm is done. This game does teach perseverance, hard work, and compassion.
:: Source: 
I think I'll go and replace that quote by David Cady with one that isn't about the Christian persepective on the game.
Wolf ODonnell 14:08, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: One source, regardless of what it is, is enough to verify whether a game is darker than its predecessor. If this comment is not included in the article, then objections will be raised come nomination time for featured article. Or do you believe that a better source could be located and featured in the article instead? —Hollow Wilerding 21:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

text: It would be preferrable to place the quote in the Notes section; when I nominate the article for featured status, I really don't want people complaining. It must be placed where it belongs, and in this case, the "Notes" is where the quote belongs. A very good quote too, I must admit! —Hollow Wilerding 14:44, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ChristianAnswers? 

message: The article has improved substantially—perhaps even considerably or remarkably—since the nomination process begun. Please vote at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Thank you! —Hollow Wilerding 00:47, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a better version of . I'm putting this here instead of uploading it myself because the current one seems to be squished in order for it to be almost square-like (so it would look better on the article), and you can do what you want with it, then fix it. -- RattleMan 01:57, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected. Thanks! :D —Hollow Wilerding 02:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Any time! -- RattleMan 02:50, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

text: No, I was emphasizing the "erasing", but I suppose I failed; this is the internet after all. Are you going to address your vote at the nomination process? Sorry if I sound pushy. —Hollow Wilerding 22:56, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I intend to do a few more changes first. Fredrik | tc 22:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Which screenshots do you believe should be removed? —Hollow Wilerding 23:18, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the biggest problem is that most screenshots are from cutscenes. I would at least like to replace some of them with equivalents that show some dialogue, but also add more action shots. Also, the aesthetics could be improved (the Goron shot is not particularly pretty) and some of them have visible emulation artifacts. Fredrik | tc 14:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

text: The Goron screenshot is supposed to demonstrate the landscape of Termina. Essential images include the Skull Kid, Moon, and Tatl and Tael. —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 17:39, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on all points, but it's possible to get better images. Fredrik | tc 22:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Featured articles]]

message: We don't need the spoiler tags, because nothing is being spoilt. All the information given here is also in the manual, except possibly some details of the intro that we'd probably be better off removing. Fredrik | tc 22:48, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly disagree. If we are going to be narrating the opening scenes of the video game, the spoiler tags are required. Why else would the tags have been created? —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 23:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replaced the structure of the article in its previous form; the newer edition was not the apple of my eye and turned me away. —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 23:48, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

text: They were created for endings, solutions to puzzles, and plot twists. Fredrik | tc 23:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler tags 

message: Declining!
I had a reason for all the minor changes, such as moving the mention of "fixed 3D" to the section on technical development since it has nothing to do with gameplay (it is in fact directly related to the extra 4 MB of memory), removing speculation ("presumably the Lost Woods"), removing errors (Majora's Mask has indeed been cited as one of the greatest games of all time) -- and others which you just reverted without comment seemingly because you disagreed about the structure of the article, which isn't a very productive way to edit.
I also feel that my general changes to structure, layout and style improve the article -- eg "Graphical similarity to Ocarina of Time" vs just "characters", when that's what it's about, putting information on time travel in one place and transformations in one other place, instead of repeating the same information three times in different sections. I am not interested in waging a revert war; so for what it's worth, I'll rather let my FAC objection stand than continue with this. Fredrik | tc 23:57, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not removed your edits but merely attempted to restructure them. What do you think as it currently stands? —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 00:03, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The inaccuracies I removed have been re-added (and you have introduced a few new ones, for example, claiming that the article Termina is about the game's gameplay). Fredrik | tc 00:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

text: No, Termina is where the game is played. I find it acceptable enough to add it under this header despite that it is not directly related. —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 00:25, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Declining 

message: The article is now a featured article! Thank you to everybody who contributed, and I'd like to announce that my next project is to upgrade The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time to featured status! :) —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 01:14, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured status

message: It's been done. Hopefully this time it will pass despite previous allegations of fraud. - Cuivienen 20:54, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resubmitted to FAC 

message: I just converted the notes section to the new inline citation format that was created. This format will make things a bit easier to manage when we do inline citations. During the conversion, I discovered that the ref to the following source was broken.  I commented it out in the article, but i also brought it here.  Does anyone know what this source was used for origianlly in the note section. 
Miyamoto, Shigeru. N-Sider. The Making of the Game: The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Retrieved December 11, 2005.
--ZeWrestler  Talk 06:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inline citation 

message: I'm sure that the woods that Link is in when searching for his friend is in Hyrule because this is before he steps on the portal that 
leads to Termina. Triforce of Power 15:00, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, it's definitely not Termina. However, Link is searching for Navi - it is possible that he wandered past the boundaries of Hyrule in his search. There's no way to know for sure. I'm reverting since this is speculation. Thanks for the copyedit changes, by the way, I've been trying to get help with that. --Pagrashtak 02:02, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I reverted a few things that I'm explaining here just to be clear: the Foo, then bar. construction is legitimate. If you add a conjunction, the comma cannot stay. (Foo and bar. not Foo, and bar.) The other revert is "Story and gameplay details.... show that the opening story ... as well as the use of masks ... are already in place". Story and use of masks take a plural verb here. --Pagrashtak 02:08, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that Nintendo has claimed that it was a section of the Lost Woods that were never visited in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
--Radaar 21:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Woods

message: Majora's Mask has an alcohol reference. In the milk bar there is a man named Gorman drinking milk at the counter, and he's acting like he's drunk. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.210.88.119 (talk • contribs) .
:That is true, but I am not sure that that is notable enough to warrant a mention in the article. But thank you, anonymous user, for suggesting it. Batmanand | Talk 18:48, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I daresay Link's rampant kleptomania and habit of murdering all the local wildlife is a worse influence on kids than one drunk guy anyway :) -- stillnotelf has a talk page 23:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, yes, I agree. —Eternal Equinox | talk 14:45, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey dude, kleptomania is a serious psychological condition. What would Link's therapist think if she saw this webpage? Deco 10:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alcohol reference

message: Since there is Zora and Goron Link, and there is a  Deku Link in the N64 page... can we put it or the article has images enough? igordebraga ≠ 18:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe we should placed another image in the article as it could disrupt the fair use policy. Also, there are already quite a number of screenshots. —Eternal Equinox | talk 21:29, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Isn't this game the sequel to Ocarina of Time terms of story?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryu Ematsu (talk • contribs) 05:15, May 14, 2006
:Yes, it is. When writing on talk pages, put new topics at the bottom, and don’t forget to sign your comments by typing four tildes( ~~~~). -- WikidSmaht (talk) 06:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sequel

message: I didn't think it was required to beat the stone tower boss
I haven't played in years, but I seem to remember running out of mana and finishing the battle in small form.
It is possiable to do but somewhat harder and typically most people say that using the Giant's Mask is the only way to defeat Twinmold. Kou Nurasaka 16:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  giant's mask?? 

message: I haven't visited this article in a while and didn't catch it when it was featured, but I'm a huge fan of the game and I'm extremely impressed at the detailed information and terse, well-written prose throughout this article, much of which even I never knew. This is an article that wastes no words and says nothing twice. Among the best I've seen. Deco 12:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow 

message: The added statements about earthquakes on the last day and a timer in the last six hours are true, but I personally don't think they add very much. All sorts of things change as time runs out, like people leaving the streets of Clock Town and of course the moon getting closer. Deco 03:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  True statement, adds nothing to the article. Fieari 03:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes of course. Why would something to do with the game be relevant to the game article? --Thaddius 18:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earthquakes and such 

message: I recently removed a spoiler tag. However, this was quickly put back by the user Omicronpersei8, claiming "Plot" doesn't imply spoilers below. Dictionary.com states:
Also called storyline. the plan, scheme, or main story of a literary or dramatic work, as a play, novel, or short story.
This clearly shows that plot is going to reveal the main story - meaning Plot DOES imply spoiler below. This enough is evidence for redundancy, but there's also the matter that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not a game guide. Wikipedia is for information. Moreover, all Final Fantasy articles that have been featured (there are 5) do not have spoiler tags. Is there any good reason for the placement of the spoiler tags in an encyclopedia? Please do not tell me that 'it's nice', because an encyclopedia's task is not to be 'nice', it is to give information. --TheEmulatorGuy 05:46, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler tags

message: I haven't played this game in years but I do remeber that it is possible to defeat the boss in the Stone Tower temple without actually completing the temple itself. If I remember rightly when the temple is inverted there is a walkway on which you have to defeat some kind of large enemy. Once you have done this to the bottom right of the walkway there is a wooden chest just in range of the hookshot. Link can hookshot to this lower level using this chest and then can then enter a room on this level, defeat the enemy within the room for which he is rewarded the boss key. With this you can now defeat the boss without completing the temple.
As it is so long since I played this game I'm not sure if the above is completely correct, but I do know that I defeated the boss without completing the temple first time I played this game by using the above described sploitz with the hookshot. I think someone should research this as other gliches in the gameplay are mentioned in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.88.168.240 (talk • contribs) .
You are absolutely correct. There are many other crazy sequence breaks in this game, but they aren't noteworthy enough to deserve mention in this article. Wikipedian06 10:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stone Tower Temple

message: Shouldn't there be some sort of reference in the reception section to the way in which many Zelda fans considered the game to be far too short (4 temples compared to the Ocarina of Time's 10), easy, and the way in which your items and much of your progress was lost after you save the game? I know that this is a view shared by myself and all my friends who played this game. We can't have been the only ones to have thought this, surely? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.88.168.240 (talk • contribs) .
:Clarification, the main story was short, and if you ignored all the sidequests, the game would be shorter.  But with the sidequests, the game was much longer.  In terms of difficulty, I'm pretty sure most agree this game was harder than OOT.  The last point was an issue for some, but not for me (I thought it added to the challenge). 69.69.72.198 17:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You really can't say that Ocarina of Time has 10 temples and also say that Majora's Mask only has 4. Ocarina of Time has 8 core temples, and if you're including the final level (Ganon's Castle/Moon) you have to include it for both games. Likewise, if you're counting "side" dungeons (such as Bottom of the Well in OoT and Ikana Castle in MM) you have to count them in both games. Dusso Janladde 07:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reception

message: "Improvements from Ocarina of Time" and "GameCube re-release" should definitely be tagged for having no references. As far as I can see, the other sections are fine. --- RockMFR 22:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the plot section should have dialogue citations, as newer FAs on video games do, but I agree that those sections need citations. — TKD::Talk 23:05, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections that SHOULD be tagged 

message: I believe that the following statement in the opening paragraph:
darker storyline as well as deeper gameplay than its prequel, Ocarina of Time
is flawed in that OoT came out before MM, so it could not be a "prequel".  I am pretty certain the appropriate word would be predecessor.  I would fix it, but my browser cannot load a text box with more than 32 KB so I received an error.  Stovetopcookies 00:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Except for the fact that Majora's Mask occurs directly after Ocarina of Time, story-wise. This is one of the few definitively known Zelda chronology sequences. Axem Titanium 01:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  prequel 

message: Looking back on the day it became a Featured Article, now I see it's become smaller and less informative than it was and... What's with the "=" section? Are reverts and edits not being done correctly?--Kuribo 18:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As of this message, I've reverted it back to a previous version that has considerably less errors. If for some reason the article was meant to have a section with an equal sign in it, then by all means...--Kuribo 18:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks like you've already reverted the recent vandalism. Axem Titanium 23:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Article REALLY Went Downhill 

message: Does anyone remember anything about the Radio Zelda commercials that began to air well before the release of MM? I think it would be key for the development section of the article in terms of marketing. Valley2city 03:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://gameads.gamepressure.com/ This site has some of the commercials. Search for Majora's Mask. Takuthehedgehog 07:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radio Zelda? 

message: I can't seem to find the code for the external link to this .tk fansite about the game. The site is crap, and I'd like to remove the link. Anybody help? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.251.225.228 (talk) 07:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crap link. 

message: (Word of warning, this may contain some spoilers for The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
Anybody notice that the eye on Midna's mask is very reminiscent of Majora's mask? The Twili may very well be those that created the mask before they were exiled. Adding to that, when the power of those fragments of the Twili's magic come together they form an oversized mask (err... helmet?) which causes a transformation. While there's nothing really there to back any of this up, there's little doubt in my mind that there's some connections here. Keep in mind Twilight Princess takes place long after Ocarina of Time, but the Twili were exiled long before Ocarina of Time. --75.180.25.49 06:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting observation, but this is original research so it can't be put in the article. davekeeling 20:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twilight Princess Connection? 

message: Material merged from Stone Tower (now redirect).
The Stone Tower is the final dungeon in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask The dungeon has multiple parts: scaling the Stone Tower, Stone Tower, and inverted Stone Tower. The Stone Tower is located in eastern Ikana, and houses the source of the evil in the area. Once the player earns the Elegy of Emptiness from the undead king of Ikana, they can scale the tower, using the statues created by the song. On the top, the player must solve a simple puzzle using three switches to create a bridge to the tower. After exploring the inside and earning the Light Arrow from the Grim Reaper-like monster Gomess, the player could activate a jewel that flipped the tower upside-down. This allowed more extensive exploration, and access to all the chests that were hanging from the ceiling. The player also fights Twinmold while the tower is inverted. The gate to the Stone Tower is a large representation of a tribal face witha  slightly demonic appearance. on the sides are two giant clawed paws, and the ramp up into the tower area is the face's tongue. Strangely, the Stone Tower, located in the depths of the area of the game that deals with death, has very few undead enemies. The only undead enemies were three ReDeads outside of the tower, and they posed no danger, as the ledge they were on wasn't used to get to the top. The other undead creatures were a couple of Stalfoses and the arguably undead Wallmaster inside the Tower.
If it is possible, please merge the material above into the article. Sr13 (T|C) Editor review 06:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Too specific and game guide-like. I don't think it would fit well in the article. Axem Titanium 00:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stone Tower 

message: I've experienced this and almost snapped my disk in half many times. It's sort of irrelavent, but can someone give me a better explanation why than "the game was not altered, just emulated"? If not, can someone tell me how it could freeze the game? 216.237.235.137 02:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the emulator doesn't emulate the expanded RAM very well. 84.59.24.109 22:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GC freezing

message: I orphaned an image from the ex-Majora page, merged it into this, and then hid it because I realized it lacked a source. If none is found, I'm afraid it'll be deleted. - A Link to the Past (talk) 13:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: The first statement may be very likely, but what about the second, recent one, regarding story changes made about Kafei's mask? 84.59.24.109 22:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Differences from versions" unsourced 

message: what do you think? is there a chance?
I like the way you think mysterious voice that was left unsigned! But seriously that would be SWEET! Now all we need is OoT and i can die happy. (once i beat it that is.)Kou Nurasaka 02:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  virtual console 

message: Has anyone noticed that there are absolutely no sources for gameplay and plot sections? - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not particularly well written either. WP:FAR? – Steel 11:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Uhhh.... we need to add game script citations where needed as well as the IGN website and such, I think. Sjones23 20:02, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Just use some game reviews. IGN had that 72-hour thing, too, sounds suitable. -- 141.84.69.20 02:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: This is my first time working on a Wiki page; so bear with me if this is not important. However, it was never said by Nintendo, in game or out, that Navi is definitely the friend Link is looking for. Another theory is that he is looking for the Skull Kid from Ocarina of Time. I think it should at least be mentioned that this is not set in stone. Any Zelda themed forums have heated discussions about this all the time.
:Well, the Zelda manga outright states it's Navi, and it's endorsed by Nintendo...—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 15:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might want to investigate into this page.--141.84.69.20 14:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What confuses me is why he would go looking for her after probably 80% of players turned off their sound to avoid hearing her speak. "Hey" or "Listen" every 2 seconds gets old pretty fast.  I admire Link's patience, though. Crisco 1492 20:48, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was it Really Navi? 

message: I was reading through the page and everything has a link, including the words: sword, boomerang,time travel, mask and force field just to name a few. Do all these things really need link (i mean redirection to other pages not the main charecter)? This has been disputed on other pages as well and frankly anyone who plays games knows what a sword, time travel, and a mask is already. Unless it redirects to Master Sword, or a mask featured in the game its pointless reallyKou Nurasaka 14:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an encyclopedia, not a gamer-wiki or a Zelda-wiki.--84.58.215.156 16:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: if this is an encyclopedia, then sections such as "critical reception" should be removed, as along with trivia sections, they have nothing to do with the subject itself and are not relevant.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.162.204.6 (talk) 05:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Critical reception has very much to do with the subject. As for the trivia section, your demand is valid.--141.84.69.20 19:27, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: I wrote a new section, Races, where the different tribes in the game are spoken of. I hope it helps the article.200.71.186.108 17:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That information belongs more in this article Thank you for your contributions. The Placebo Effect 17:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New section added

message: This article had just a few too many fair use images than necessary so I removed some of them. It still has quite a large number and I imagine the fair use police will descend soon. I'm wondering about the necessity of the Termina map image. I'm borderline, leaning towards removing it because the only thing we learn from it (that Termina has 4 climate regions) is covered in the text. Thoughts? Axem Titanium 21:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But see, that reasoning doesn't hold compared to User:Durin/Fair use overuse explanation. I'm saying that it can be described well enough with words, especially now that Termina has been merged here, that an image is not necessary. Axem Titanium 14:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Termina map image 

message: The problem is: You can't take most of the things on the Japanese sites serious as they usually involve many cases of Engrish (I wouldn't call The World of New "Zelda" correct either...), where the online staff just takes the next best romanization instead of actually thinking about where the game designers got their inspiration from/what they wanted to allude to (in this case termination). The Fire Temple is also named "Temple of fire" on the Japanese OoT site, yet they have the "Forest Temple" unchanged, while making the "Deku Tree" a "Deku-tree" and omitting the "lord" title from Jabu-Jabu's name (although the kanji-suffix for "lord" is there). Bottom line: They don't know crap about romanization. Prime Blue (talk) 21:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a point?--141.84.69.20 (talk) 00:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, Blue, but it's not our responsibility to make such conclusions. It's original research. It's the company's fault for using inaccurate information, because we have to take their word for it.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is, as of fact checking and using reliable sources. I get your point, that's not the problem (unless you actually think Talmina is the original Japanese form). It's just that I don't feel comfortable about adding wrong information to an article because one of Nintendo's employees made a mistake. Thinking of another example... Using Aida Wong (flash version) or Eda Won (PDF version) as romanized version of  Japanese name because it was used in the official translation of Wesker's Report II. I couldn't find exact guidelines when it comes to factually wrong foreign language sources. Prime Blue (talk) 04:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it can safely be removed because it doesn't actually provide any meaningful information to the article. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Termina/Talmina

message: Reading through the article, a lot of it seems to lack a high-quality professional voice. While it surely suffices and is by all accounts factually accurate, some of the tense-choice and verb-usage comes off sounding rather... Odd and, well, not quite FA material. 
Just my opinion, though.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.60.202 (talk) 08:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tone

message: For some reason, this article talks about the necessity of Epona (or lack thereof, depending on the month) in completing Ocarina of Time. I know from personal experience that she is not necessary, but that's beside the point; I'm wondering if it's necessary at all to mention it either way, since it keeps changing periodically and may count as OR. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:29, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I always thought Epona was necessary to complete Ocarina, but then again I never tried it without her. But yeah, as this is disputed, I agree it should be altogether removed until someone provides a source stating one way or the other. -sesuPRIME talk • contribs 05:47, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, there's nothing significant about this fact unless it's covered by secondary sources anyway; there are loads of things in the game that Link needs to complete it. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 17:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The need for Epona in OoT 

message: Have all the bugs from the gamecube version been worked out in the VC version?., if not these should be mentioned for the article. Either way this point should be clarified with a source. Ottawa4ever (talk) 00:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to comments in reply to a review on this page , the sound/freezing bug has been fixed. I think it would be wise to use a more reliable source though. GW(talk) 14:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bugs

message: How do we know Nobuyuki Hiyama is the voice of Link's Zora form? He is listed in the game's credits, but that's because he voiced Fierce Deity Link (that much is obvious). It actually sounds to me like they used snippets of young Link's voice and applied a distortion effect to get the Zora voice, like they did with his Deku form. However, it's original research to claim that either actor is Zora Link without a reliable source, which are very difficult to find for this. The only sources corroborating the article's claim are notoriously unreliable user-contributed sites like IMDb, and who's to say they didn't just copy whatever Wikipedia said? Interestingly, the Japanese Wikipedia claims he only voiced the Fierce Deity (aka demon) form (here and here). Of course, that can't be used as a source, but one can assume they have access to better information on the subject than we do.
I've added a  tag for now, but should that bit of info just be removed? sesuprime 16:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice of Zora Link 

message: Quoted directly from the article:
"He tells Link that Majora's Mask has an evil, apocalyptic power inside that was once used by an ancient tribe in hexing rituals. The ancient ones, fearing catastrophe caused by its great power, 'sealed the Mask in shadow forever' to prevent its misuse. This tribe vanished and the origin and nature of the Mask was lost."
This has me convinced of an idea that I had posted here previously - The tribe that possessed Majora's Mask was The Dark Interlopers, who eventually became the Twili. In addition to my hypothesis, I site the above quote and the fact that the tribe sealed their power within it, that Majora's Mask was in fact a Fused Shadow.
I posted this earlier and somehow it got deleted. Could the editors plz not remove it again? I know it's totally irrelevant but I really would like to hear other people's thoughts on this. If you do, I understand, and will simply post it elsewhere...
75.72.159.75 (talk) 04:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad you understand, but for the sake of those who don't, let me explain. Wikipedia talk pages are intended for discussion of ways to improve the article, not general discussion about the subject of the article. Whether Majora's Mask is a Fused Shadow is not an appropriate topic here, unless the connection is mentioned by one of our reliable sources.Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 04:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Majora's Mask - Twilight Princess Connection? 

message: Hey, I had been tracking old zelda sites in the Internet Archive Wayback Machine, and I found some articles about a campaign Nintendo (I think it was only for America) did to promote Majora's Mask. It was some sort of ARG campaign apparently, with a fake website about a scientific research institution that discovered a parallel dimension. I was not around the zelda fandom at the time, so I missed all about that, but it sounds like it was really interesting and I'm surprised by how little I have found about it. Does anybody knows if it was an official campaign, or was it just a hoax? or something a fan did? 
z-science original website in the wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20010516234329/http://www.z-science.com/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.250.231.5 (talk) 21:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would guess that so little has been written about it because, like you, no one had previously heard of it. It might be worth a mention in the development section if it was an official promotion from Nintendo, but I couldn't find where it said that it was from Nintendo. You're sure about that? Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 02:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  the group is aperently called JRAMOA (MAJORA), it involves a doctor Tarin (the name of a character in Link's Awakening) Rugeshi (Shigeru Miyamoto), the so-called Z-day was October 24 (MM's release date), and the site redirects to the Nintendo site. while this information does not prove that it was Nintendo's idea, it does add some credit to the theory.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.63.76 (talk) 20:26, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  z-science 

message: The ben drowned thing is certainly notably, shouldn't it be added? 98.24.154.187 (talk) 21:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a Wired article.. maybe worth a mention? Rehevkor ✉ 21:59, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention of ben.avi? 

message: entry on "Pendants of Virtue" states that A Link to the Past has a direct connection to Majora's Mask. I'd like to invoke WP:BOLLOCKS on this, as a connection has not been stated in either game or directly by Nintendo. , while a wiki, suggests inconstancies within this site is not uncommon as while it is run by Nintendo, it is not made by them. Either way, while this primary source supports this, no independent sources have supported this. <FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor ✉ 02:18, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Has someone tried to reference this in the article yet? At any rate, I don't think the source claims a connection between LTTP and MM. The entry on Pendants of Virtue does not mention MM or the Pendant of Memories, which may be why you thought it claimed a connection... Axem Titanium (talk) 04:46, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Crazy late reply here, but the entry references "Termina", the setting of MM, in connection to A Link to the Past. <FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor ✉ 10:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I see where they make the reference, but since the article itself doesn't make any mention of it, I don't think we need to worry about it. The claim is patently ridiculous, has been contradicted by other official sources, and Zelda.com has a history of fudging up the canon. Axem Titanium (talk) 14:57, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Link to the Past connection 

message: Not sure why I haven't done this before, but if anyone wants to use the Hyrule Historia as a reference in this article, here's what you'll need to properly cite it...
name of the author(s) - None given, at least not that I could find
title of the book in italics - The Legend of Zelda: Hyrule Historia
volume when appropriate - N/A, though my copy is 1st edition if that matters
city of publication is optional - Milwaukie, OR (English ed.)
name of the publisher - Dark Horse (English ed.)
year of publication - 2011 (Japanese) 2013 (English)
chapter or page number(s) where appropriate - pg 110-112 (for Majora's Mask)
ISBN is optional - 978-1-61655-041-7
Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 08:49, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyrule Historia as a reference 

message: A new section should be added about popular theories about Majora's Mask. For example: "In The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, the five stages of grief have been found in the sections of Termina - Clock Town (The citizens denying their impending doom), Woodfall (The Deku King venting his Anger on the innocent Monkey), Snowhead (Darmani Bargaining Link to revive him, or to heal his sorrows), Great Bay (Lulu's Depression at the loss of her children) and Ikana Valley (The spirits Accepting their deaths)." (Five Stages of Grief). There are also theories about how Link dies at the beginning of the game, and Termina is some sort of Limbo. Here is a video explaining some of these theories.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.95.152.138 (talk) 01:04, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless there are reliable sources like those found at WP:VG/S discussing these theories, definitely not. Sergecross73 msg me  01:27, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation, so these theories do not belong here. See WP:SPECULATION for more information. Thanks! Permafrost46 (talk) 03:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

text: I've just found several reliable sources, see ,  and . There are more, too. Would anyone object if I included this analysis in a subsection of Plot called Interpretation? All properly sourced and worded, of course. Featured article Blade Runner has a Themes section which includes entirely equivalent material, I would think this article would benefit from the same. Autonova (talk) 21:55, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not entirely convinced those sources are featured article worthy reliable sources. 1st appears doubtful, 2nd is a blog but may be worth discussion, 3rd is under discussion but is at best a situational source. Perhaps a WP:FAR is in order? <FONT COLOR="red">Я</FONT>ehevkor ✉ 11:06, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources I ended up using in the section are these: , , , and . The problem is, the interpretations are popular, insightful, and directly verifiable with the game's content, but as you say they aren't cast iron sources from renowned publications. Although, the bloggers who wrote them do regularly write articles and they do command enough attention to demand they check their facts. The Blade Runner article includes similar sources, but many of them are books rather than blogs. If a featured article review is easy to do and revealing of what constitutes an adequate source then I'm all for it. Autonova (talk) 16:08, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well no, on the specific point of reviewing sources, you just post them to the Talk page at WP:VGRS.  Also, it'd be cool if someone contacted some RS like IGN or Polygon, to write a summary of this stuff. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 16:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok thanks. I've started a discussion () on the reliability of Zeldadungeon. Vis a vis the remaining two sources, the zeldainformer source is already under discussion, and the cracked.com source is clearly reliable, but I'll start a discussion on that just to be thorough. Autonova (talk) 17:21, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

text: To be honest if sources aren't cast iron their place in a featured article has to be carefully considered (and by their very nature interpretations/theories are not directly verifiable to the game). LxRv (a.ka. Rehevkor) 20:03, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - I was very careful in selecting the sources. Although it's been reverted I'll continue to discuss it behind the scenes. Other works of art such as Blade Runner and Las Meninas have interpretation sections, where the main opinions about the work's meaning are detailed and analysed, and I think this article would benefit from the same. Autonova (talk) 22:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There are some rather large discrepancies between what's happening in Blade Runner and your proposed addition to Majora's mask here. The "Themes" content in Blade Runner come from in-depth scholarly dissections from books and scholarly journals. High level stuff like this. Your proposal, as seen here takes a humor/satire website (Cracked.com) about "Crazy Fan Theories" that was cited back to a Zelda fansite - which are generally not considered an WP:RS. Very different sourcing and analysis. Sergecross73 msg me 00:59, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

text: I appreciate your point about the sources, but, bearing in mind the Blade Runner section, is the style of writing appropriate? I'll continue looking for better sources. Autonova (talk) 10:26, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it could be appropriate, if it has Blade Runner type sourcing. Blade Runner has all sorts of evaluations on it, so its easier to make the claim of "It has been interpreted" type statements. With sources like you're working on, it'd only be accurate to make statements more like "Editor X of website Y found that the game's themes mirrored theory z". When you only have a single source or two, it's harder to accurately make those sorts of generalizations... Sergecross73 msg me 13:32, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay I see, thanks. Autonova (talk) 14:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Theories 

message: Using the Checklinks tool, I've gone through and updated dead links in the article. A few notes:
* Ref 3 (fixed) updated with Wayback, removed dead link tag.
* Ref 52 (fixed*) I updated a reference in the Video Game Reviews box for toptenreviews.com, but it looks like the TTR parameter is invalid, as the score is not displayed in the box in the article. I'm not sure if it should be changed or removed entirely, but it doesn't show up in the article.
* Ref 53 (fixed*) not actually broken, but the web archive version previously cited did not contain the information the citation is used to support. I've updated it to a later snapshot of the page that contains the relevant information.
* Ref 56 (fixed) updated with Wayback.
* Ref 76 (fixed) updated with Wayback, removed dead link tag.
--chrisFjordson (talk) 00:00, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Links 

message: I'd suggest that we create a new page for the 3D "remastering" of Majora's Mask, just like with the 3D remake of Ocarina of Time a while back. Its obvious that we might have just enough info to go foward. TheMeaningOfBlah (talk) 01:05, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: For now, let's leave it as a section. When it gets closer to release and more sources are published, it'll probably be fine (I have little doubt of there being enough to make a new article sooner or later), but for right now, it's too early for a separate article. Supernerd11  Firemind ^_^ Pokedex 05:26, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New page for Majora's Mask 3D? 

message: Hi guys.  I stumbled upon this reference which was archived in March 2000 (though I didn't go backward to narrow down when it was originally published to the site), wherein Nintendo.com referred to the game as The Legend of Zelda: Gaiden and The Legend of Zelda: The Mask of Mujula.  These two names are expansions of the article's existing use of "Zelda: Gaiden" (and I imagine that "Zelda 64: Gaiden" was also historically seen) and "Mujula". Do you guys think it's noteworthy to include this as a historical note, or is it just an ephemeral mistranslation?  I don't know enough context to know the significance or common use.  Obviously the game was developed predominantly in Japan, and Nintendo of America was far behind on such things and most of that subsidiary's employees never fluently spoke Japanese. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 12:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mask of the Mujula 

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message: Why isn't this part of the open world video games category? Ocarina of Time is part of it, and both games are very similar.
*Personally, I don't think Ocarina should be a part of it to begin with, as the game predates the commonplace usage of the term. It also doesn't really fit the general definition of open world either (as parts of the world are blocked off until a certain item is collected). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:16, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open world 

message: I am proposing that the recently created Ben Drowned be restored to a redirect due to the article's myriad WP:OR and WP:FANCRUFT issues. There is little effort on the creator's part to address most of the article's problems, which include paragraphs being cited to Discord chatrooms, Spotify urls, podcasts, and primary-source materials that fail to support the claims. Several extremely long sections fail to cite any sources at all. 2601:192:8800:6F60:7522:61F4:1E14:1166 (talk) 21:27, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's time to WP:DROPTHESTICK, anon IP editor. Any issues you might have with the article can be resolved there and at its talk page; not by trying AfD and merges again and again. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 15:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ben Drowned 

message: Per WP:VG/REC, we should be generalizing these ranked polls/lists to avoid cluttered and badly written prose. On top of that, we should not be using GameFAQs as any sort of source because the entire site is user-submitted. We could mention their reader polls if it was covered by a third-party source however. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:06, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reader polls 

message: I'm still not used to Wikipedia editing, but this is something fairly notable in my opinion and I believe it deserves a place on this article. The original cartridge for this game is extremely fragile due to the plastics used, something Transformers fans call Gold Plastic Syndrome (Which might need an article here as well given how prevalent it is amongst vintage toys and similar items). Sadly, it's hard to find articles talking about Gold Plastic Syndrome and the items it has affected. The only place I can find that has a documented list of GPS items is the Gold Plastic Syndrome page on TFWiki.net which can be found here: https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Gold_Plastic_Syndrome
However, the problem with this page is that it only documents GPS items from the Transformers franchise and their related toylines. However, it is possible to find instances of people referring to the problem these cartridges have as GPS. One instance is this Imgur gallery: https://imgur.com/gallery/1LklDUr. I also have two videos that describe Gold Plastic Syndrome, one showcasing an example and the other is the former lead designer of Transformers at Hasbro describing GPS and discussing it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcjAUN5Ssj8 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clP1CcxSZY4
Gold Plastic Syndrome is different from normal plastic breakage on items like these as it's not caused by someone stressing the plastic, it is instead caused by the chemistry of the plastic breaking down much faster than normal and becoming extremely brittle. A GPS item can be denoted by showing little to no stress marks upon breakage, which seems to be the case with Majora's Mask breakage. Photos of this can be found at https://www.reddit.com/r/gamecollecting/comments/xw93m/got_a_deal_on_a_broken_majoras_mask_cartridge/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/n64/comments/etugkt/rescued_a_wrecked_copy_of_majoras_mask_someone/. If you look at the examples shown on the TFWiki page, you'll see similar breakage.
The problem with sourcing this is that while this type of breakage is known, it's not been talked about in large papers and is only called GPS in the toy collecting fandom. I can show you countless examples of it breaking in the way I have shown off, but given the age of the cartridge and the fact that this is only talked about amongst a small niche of collectors means no one has really talked about it in a large article. I don't know if this would count as original research or if the links I've provided would count as a decent source, nor am I saying that we should call this breakage GPS as that's almost exclusively used by the Transformers fandom. However, I do believe given the fact that it is known amongst the vintage game collector fandom, we should at least include some note of it. I don't know if this counts as an extraordinary claim or not, but I tried my best to find sources that can help back it. PaladinDenn (talk) 06:43, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: None of the sources included is reliable. In order for it to be written, there must be sources that explicitly state its noteworthiness. (CC) Tbhotch™ 06:56, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Cartridge Deterioration