Talk:Aliʻi

message: I don't remember exactly what characterizes feudalism, but I have heard Hawaiian scholars, most recently Kekuni Blaisdell, assert that Hawaii was not a feudal society. It would be good to be clear on that - or maybe even remove this part to another article. Makana Chai (talk) 01:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I heard the same thing from Haunani K. Trask but Dr. Keanu Sai explained why it is and explained what a feudal lord & feudal system really is. Mamoahina (talk) 06:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Feudal?

message: Mahalo Kavebear for your contributions! I learned something new about po'e lo ali'i. Kamakau in People of Old says there are 11 degrees of chiefs, with the lo ali'i at number 5. It would be good if this article tracked Kamakau. Sorry I don't have time to write it myself. Mahalo! Makana Chai (talk) 09:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Lo-Alii's are mentioned, but I only added on information when I stumble upon it.  I trying to complete the list of Alii Aimoku of Oahu, so I can began on an article of Kingdom of Oahu.  I don't have time either, so sorry and I don't know much about the author Kamakau.  I mostly read Account of Polynesian Race by Abraham Fornander.  KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:46, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also sometimes it says Naha chiefs are father and daughter.  And sometimes some unions are classified as different Aliis. So it is really confusing.  KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think if you read Kamakau you would find it less confusing. With all due respect, Fornander's Account is not the best source for anything (though his collection of mythology is wonderful). I understand you don't have time but then it's important to make sure what you do put up is right. How about un-doing the lo ali'i until you, I or someone can make it right? Mahalo. Makana Chai (talk) 23:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh! Is that what you want? Just ask me to remove it. It is no big deal.  I put it in the talk page.   KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  So you, like Zora have appointed yourself as the official keeper of these pages because you created them?  And if I created something very similar to it how can I guarantee that it won't be altered based on whatever ideas or concepts you feel is appropriate for the average American to understand?  I know all of this since earlier today an admin explained to me what and why behind edits of wikipedia.  If you claim that all one needed to do was to ask to remove it, that isn't always the case as in the example of your habitual use of titles, yet in a response to someone else back in May 2010 you told that person what I was telling you about titles.  I can understand the egotistical drive to find a forum where you can exercise some type of limited acquired knowledge but at least start citing sources and, as in the case of ali'i 'aimoku, provide the true definition. Mamoahina (talk) 06:50, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like you and I have gotten off on the wrong foot. First of all I didn't create this page and secondly I don't claim any article as my own or a keeper of any article. No one can own an article. As for the title, be my guest, change it if you like. There is alot.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:09, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Question re new changes

message: The Lo-alii (Chiefs of Royal Blood), similar to the French title of Prince of the Blood, were the one of the most precious of all. Though not of the highest caste, in their intermarriages within the family, but they were valued for consorts due to their uncorrupt lineage.  The Lo-Alii live in the mountains of Oahu, apart from society, thereby allowing their blood to remain pure.  Lo-alii had access to the Kukaniloko Birthstone; famous Lo-Aliis include the chiefs of Oahu and Lo Lale, hence his name, and his descendants and it isn't know why his full-blooded-brother, Piliwale, was not consider a Lo-Alii. KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  You habitually make comparisons to anything European in order to comprehend Hawaiian terms.  You really need to understand and grasp the Hawaiian words for what they really are, sometimes you can't get an exact translation.  You would know this if you spoke more than one language. Mamoahina (talk) 06:42, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to be scornful.  This is English Wikipedia last I checked and translating foreign words into English terms is something that many scholars do and it's interesting and nice to know for someone who doesn't understand Hawaiian. And for you're info I speak Mandarin, Cantonese, Teochew, English, and a little bit of German.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Lo-Alii

message: I am so confused. What is the difference between a piʻo chief and a niʻaupiʻo?  And why is Keopuolani be often called a niʻaupiʻo of a naha union? This article really needs seriously rewriting someday.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:37, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nīʻaupiʻo 

message: There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Kawaihae, Hawai'i - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RM bot 00:40, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: I have made a few changes based on discussions on a few other articles, where it was pointed out that Wikipedia had district chiefs and supreme island rulers mixed up. Fornander explains what a district chief is called and Moi has been determined to be a relatively new title. The article is desperately in need of reliable sources.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:03, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article could use some serious research and copy editing 

message: I plan to create a separate article for the Hawaiian word Aliʻi and reduce the Hawaiian content on this page to an overview of the main article and expand on the other uses here. Since the last discussion to move this page a consensus has been determined to allow special characters in article titles that do not effect the wiki-markup coding. In particular the MOS of Hawaii related articles states that article title should use the Hawaiian orthography even in the title (and should also be in italics). However, since this article is not about the single use of the word in Hawaii (and therefore does not use the okina) but seems to be almost entirely about the Hawaiian use, I am going to make the change with a bold edit.--Mark Miller (talk) 18:52, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the page history is very clear.  This topic is about the Hawaiian word, and it should be singularly moved to allow for the special character.  Please do not continue to claim that this article is not about the single use of the word in Hawaii as it always has been until you removed the content and copy and pasted it to a new article, removing the history of edits.  We don't have two different topics here, only one. Viriditas (talk) 04:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not believe the page history supports that assertion. The article was created on June 10, 2004 with this version that was inaccurate at best as it describes the term to mean the "killing of chiefs". This was corrected with this edit. In 2005, on September 3rd, the article had this adding the Samoan information. On April 17, 2006 this edit added additional information about three additional locations and usages. The broad scope of the article has remained intact since that time.--Mark Miller (talk) 02:16, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Instead of a move...