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Talk:Ithilien

message: I propose the merging of Emyn Arnen into Ithilien as they overlap on important details as the provenance of the Numenorean nobles and the Stewardship of Gondor, and the later Princedom of Ithilien by Faramir, ruling from Emyn Arnen.
Without much opposition, I will do this soon to minimize redundancy and improve Ithilien as a compacted whole deriving from several short articles.  Feel free to comment!
Also, I have seen several hidden Gondorian outposts in Ithilien, created by Steward Ecthelion I, an outstanding example would be Henneth Annûn.  I am also considering to add this info..
--11:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging [[Emyn Arnen]] 

message: no comments so far
*Agree. Merge is best for this and Henneth Annûn. Carcharoth 13:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DONE 

message: Actually, the movie got the scene pretty much right.  It really was just a hidden cave behind a waterfall with supplies stacked here and there.  ---Ricimer, October 30, 2004
The Emyn Arnen are not where Faramir brings Frodo that's Hennuth Anun.  That's Northeast of Minas Tirith in North Ithilien, while the Emyn Arnen are in South-East Ithili---Ricimer
:Correct on both accounts. For a quick confirmation of the actual location of the Window on the West, see this map.
:Furthermore, the intended meaning of the name is not "High Hills", but rather "Hills beside the water" (Vinyar Tengwar 42:17).
:I've corrected this article, and will take care of the Henneth Annûn redirect shortly. --LRC 20:56, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk from [[Talk:Emyn Arnen]]

message: Emyn Arnen (Sindarin "Hills of Arnen", Arnen being of pre-Númenórean origin)
I won't dispute that, but wouldn't it mean "king's water" in Sindarin? That could have been either
* Tolkien's original idea, which he later decided to change to the pre-Númenórean origin, or
* a chance resemblance (as we say in Middle-earth), which nevertheless would influence many people's understanding of the name
Thnidu 17:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  etymology of "Emyn Arnen" 

message: I'm not going to do the templates tonight, but I was wondering: both Ithilien and Rangers of Ithilien are incredibly short, so shouldn't they be merged together? Anyone?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nrodovsky (talk • contribs) 07:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I have tagged both articles.--Jack Upland (talk) 08:22, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Rangers of Ithilien info might also be included at Rangers of the North. Goustien (talk) 17:52, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly the Rangers of the South are not Rangers of the North. I think if this article is not deleted, then Ithilien is the best merge target.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:55, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Rangers of Ithilien to here?
Talk:Meduseld

message: I agree certainly that the article ought to be merged, but why not with Edoras? IMO that would be more fitting than to merge it into the Rohan article, and it could also put Edoras at a length where merging it into Rohan would no longer be necessary. The Fiddly Leprechaun · Catch Me! 22:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm currently in the process of doing the above. See User:The Fiddly Leprechaun/Sandbox.–The Fiddly Leprechaun · Catch Me! 22:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger
Talk:Menegroth

message: Not the subject of multiple independant secondary sources as required by WP:NN and does not have any real world content as clarified by WP:FICT [[Guest9999 22:35, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placed Notability Tag 

message: Re-open merge proposal into Doriath suggested in 2007. Please discuss here and close once decision reached. Thank you. --Haruth (talk) 17:56, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any obstacles, let's merge Menegroth into Doriath. De728631 (talk) 20:01, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal
Talk:Pelargir

message: Not the subject of multiple independant secondary sources as required by WP:NN and does not have any real world content as clarified by WP:FICT [[Guest9999 22:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placed Notability Tag
Talk:Rhovanion

message: To correct many inaccuracies in the History section, I ended up largely rewriting it.  It still needs references, which I will add shortly.  Eventual goal is to merge Kingdom of Rhovanion here. Elphion (talk) 20:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History rewrite 

message: Recent edits of this article by  have added quite a bit of reasonable but speculative assumptions about the "history".  This needs to be toned down substantially.  I am tempted in fact to return the article to its state as of August 2018.  -- Elphion (talk) 12:44, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks as always for your comments & guidance. I have added a couple of references & modified some language, which I hope will address some concerns. More than happy for further comments & improvements from yourself and others. Regards, Jungleboy63 (talk) 00:50, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  In-Universe and Original Research
Talk:The Man in the Moon Stayed Up Too Late

message: I’m very glad this article is a Good article now! There needs to be a mention of the use of this poem as a song in the Lord of the Rings musical. It’s a real thing! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:09, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  : I've done what I can given the sources available. If you know of a source that actually analyses the version it'd be appreciated. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: [[The Lord of the Rings (musical)]]

message: The curious may like to know that a version of this article is at Wikidocumentaries. Presumably someone on the team liked the article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:50, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikidocumentaries version
Talk:Timothy S. Sullivan

message: This is a work of a United States Coast Guard employee, taken or made during the course of an employee's official duties. As a work of the U.S. federal government, it is in the public domain.Subject to disclaimers. --- Skapur 02:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right in saying that the text is in the Public Domain, however to avoid plagarism issues, I've cited and correctly attributed the material. Thanks, Acather96 (talk) 08:53, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: What's the standard for military notability?  If rank is it, then this person might have it, but if that's not the case, then I don't see how this person rates an article.  Rklawton 04:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Any district commander but especially, the First district commander is always a notable person.  He has over 6,000 military personnell under his command and control of all federal waters in the Northeastern United States and with the power to enforce US laws (see Posse Comitatus Act) and board any ship or boat at will and the power to regulate all mariners and shipping and boating facilities.  In addition as demonstrated during the aftermath of Katrina, the Coast Guard is the only federal agency that functioned in the US in an emergency.  In general I do not know of any Wikipedia standard for Military notability. In my opinion all flag officers merit pages. --- Skapur 05:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: A google search for "Timothy Sullivan" or "Timothy S. Sullivan" and coast guard and admiral came back with over 100 hits.  --- Skapur 05:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:MILPEOPLE is the guideline that's been established through repeated consensus and  states that a general is typically notable. --Kumioko (talk) 15:20, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: I removed the proposed deletion template from the article for now. There is a discussion regarding the notability of 1 and 2 stars generals/admirals on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. Once the discussion is complete the article can be resubmitted if applicable. --Kumioko (talk) 14:50, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion tag removed for now
Talk:Tharbad

message: Not the subject of multiple independant secondary sources as required by WP:NN and does not have any real world content as clarified by WP:FICT [[Guest9999 22:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Multiple independent secondary sources listed in new "further reading" section. hike395 23:53, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placed Notability Tag
Talk:Valmar

message: Not the subject of multiple independant secondary sources as required by WP:NN and does not have any real world content as clarified by WP:FICT [[Guest9999 22:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placed Notability Tag 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Valimar and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 September 15#Valimar until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  1234qwer1234qwer4 09:07, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Valimar" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]
Talk:Wood Village, Oregon

message: The last bullet point under the Tax controversy section says this:
:If created, it would be the first sales tax ever in the state of Oregon, which has considered a constitutional amendment to prohibit sales tax.
Ashland has a sales tax that was established in 1990. Here's the information about it. It seems quite obvious to me that Oregon has already had its first sales tax (Ashland's may not have even been its first), but perhaps I'm missing something. Thoughts? Äþelwulf <Small>Talk to me.</Small> 05:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The first sales tax ever in the state of Oregon"?
Talk:USS Sterett (CG-31)

message: I had the opportunity to tour this ship when it was in Long Beach Harbor a number of years ago.  Glad someone wrote an article on her, but I'm sorry to hear she was scrapped.  Great memory, though. - Lucky 6.9 02:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just created the article at 02:08, October 19, 2006 (UTC), it's just a stub now, maybe someone will enhance it. There are lots of ships that don't have articles, I was surprised that this one was missing since it was fairly recently decommissioned. The NTU overhaul in 1991 must have cost millions, it seems like such a waste to dump those ships so soon after the upgrades. The fuel efficiency of the boilers must have played a major role vs the current gas turbines used. William H. Standley CG-32 article, coming soon. She was sunk as a target, :Image:USS Standley (CG 32) sinking.jpg. --Dual Freq
Ahoy, lots of info that could be included. Maybe somebody should shout at the Sterett Web site and invite one of them folks to add some stuff. The Sterett did shoot down at least one N. Vietnamese MIG jet in 1972. When I was aboard in 1976 the Sterett was a flagship for some admiral. In that same year the Sterett tested the then relatively new Harpoon anti-ship missile, destroying a target ship at the Pacific missile test site off the southern California coast. The Belknap class was designed to protect aircraft carriers from air and submerged threats with a minimal abilty to confront surface threats. Since the carrier was better equipped to handle surface threats with its aircraft the lack of gunnery and the limited number of Harpoon missiles carried was not critical. The Sterett had a fairly advanced computer system for its time; the Navy Tactical Data System (NTDS). Obbop 02:12, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I really didn't think that anyone would contest the change I made, changing the definition of the hull designation of DLG from "Frigate" to "Destroyer Leader", but here we are.
If you go to the U.S. Navy's website  and search for "DLG", you will find a series of articles in which DLG is either defined as "guided missile destroyer" or guided missile destroyer leader". There are only two pages that define DLG as "guided missile frigate" and one is a copy of the other.
In addition, no one I know that ever served aboard a DLG (while it was a DLG) would have called their ship a "frigate".
The only reference to them being Frigates in the Navy.mil website is on a handful of ship histories, but not all of them.
I don't know who called them "frigates" but the Navy doesn't (and didn't) and the sailors that served on them don't (and didn't.)
I also would like to call your attention to the USS Norfolk (DL-1), the USS Mitscher (DL-2), the USS John S. McCain (DL-3), the USS Willis A. Lee (DL-4), and the USS Wilkinson (DL-5). If a DL is a Destroyer Leader, why isn't a DLG a Guided Missile Destroyer Leader?
-TCav 01:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see centralized discussion at Talk:USS Fox (CG-33). TomTheHand 15:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Frigates
Talk:Mythopoeic Society

message: Note to the bodies that watch out for Copyright. The Board of Directors of the Mythopoeic Society regularly come to this page to check it out and update any information that needs correcting. If we had any objection to using a piece of art from our website, we would have removed it.
Please leave the GIFs we upload to Wikipedia on our article. 
Thank you
Lisa Deutsch Harrigan
Treasurer, The Mythopoeic Society
Lisa Harrigan (talk) 08:55, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:Armenian Canadians

message: No notice was placed here that this image has been nominated for deletion. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 23:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Other images used on this page may also have been nominated -- please check them all by clicking on them to see if there is a deletion notification on the image page.  If there is, use the link that takes you to "this image's entry" to comment on the nomination for deletion. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk / cont) 01:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image nominated for deletion
Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Faye Gabriel

message: *DELETE - notability
*Please note: WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_censored; as a result, removal of profanity is unnecessary. In addition, removal of actual personal attacks is both acceptable and recommended, but deleting any other comments (including one's own comments, which instead should be struck through) is in very bad form. -- Kicking222 03:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Talk:The Monsters and the Critics, and Other Essays

message: I propose that the article on the original lecture be merged with this article on the published form of the lecture with other essays. Neither is terribly long, and there seems to be more than a little overlap. --Akhenaten0 (talk) 20:22, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  That would not be a good idea. The first essay (and the original lecture), Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics, made a lasting impression, and deserves a longer article given its impact. It is unquestionably notable in its own right. Several of the other collected essays - On Fairy-Stories, A Secret Vice and English and Welsh already have their own articles (and one on the essay "On Translating Beowulf" is long overdue), so a merge to one of the articles makes no sense: the article on the collected essays instead forms an index and top-level overview of the articles on the essays. I've written a plot summary for the original lecture, which gives the article more weight, and I hope shows why it made such an impression. I hope to add a bit more on the reception, which needs to be a lot more substantial than it now is. I read the other article on the collection of essays, and think it will probably do better as a stand-alone article - I can't see how it would fit in here at all tidily, as it would seem to be a sort of stray appendix rather than anything essentially to do with the magnificent power of the original lecture. I therefore Oppose the merger. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oppose, for the same reasons advanced by Chiswick. BPK (talk) 14:46, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

text:  Oppose, sure. I've been swayed. Since I proposed it, I'll remove the markers.--Akhenaten0 (talk) 15:52, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Please note that this article's infobox is retrieving an ISBN from Wikidata currently. This is the result of a change made to  as a result of  this RfC. It would be appreciated if an editor took some time to review this ISBN to ensure it is appropriate for the infobox. If it is not, you could consider either correcting the ISBN on Wikidata (preferred) or introducing a blank ISBN parameter in the infobox to block the retrieval from Wikidata. If you do review the ISBN, please respond here so other editors don't duplicate your work. This is an automated message to address concerns that this change did not show up on watchlists. ~ RobTalk 01:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  The ISBN it added was the French translation, hardly ideal, so I've blocked it with a blank as instructed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:30, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of ISBN from Wikidata
Talk:The Father Christmas Letters

message: I propose that this page could be moved to Letters From Father Christmas since that is the current title and the more well known title.Dour1234 (talk) 12:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Move proposal
Talk:Roverandom

message: Are all these 'character descriptions' really necessary? Plus, they're really poorly written. I don't want to step on any fan's toes here, but this is not a very good article as it is. Drmies (talk) 02:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  relevance? 

message: I'm sorry, I really haven't payed much attention to the preface of the book when I read it a couple of years back, but I don't remember having come across any mention of Michael's "dead dog". (as stated in that paragraph)
: Lead dog.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.70.156.254 (talk) 19:23, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  dead dog?
Talk:A Secret Vice

message: : Refs are far more manageable, both within an article and between articles, if named intelligibly. Thus "Shippey 2005" is preferable to ":7" or other incomprehensible identifier. Actually the whole WikiProject uses the name-and-date style, including this article up until yesterday. I'd be very glad if we could now restore that usage, please. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:06, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, didn't see this - yes, I will ensure that these are kept. Apologies, I'm using VisualEditor and it slaps these in all over the place, so I don't see them unless I have to switch to source mode for some reason. ~~~  20:29, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  No worries. --Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:47, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming refs decently 

message: @Chiswick Chap Hi - OK, so my reasons for removing those two pieces are:
For the Fauskanger: Having read it, it seemed to me that Fauskanger is discussing Tolkien's constructed languages, and his relations with constructed languages, but not A Secret Vice in itself. He mentions the essay twice in the webpage: the first is when he's talking about Animalic; the second is when he quotes it to talk about the creation of Tolkien's mythology and Elvish. Nowhere in this does he actually comment about the essay itself, or really provide any analysis, so I don't see why we'd include it in the Reception section. It'd be fine as a source for Languages constructed by J. R. R. Tolkien, but I can't justify it for this article.
For the second: it's written by Higgins, the editor of the book. Therefore, it's not independent, so I removed it. Also, why would we put in Higgins' reception of his own book???
Please tell me if you find this argument acceptable, hope it justifies it better than what I can stick in an edit summary.  21:04, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the Higgins clearly has to go. The Fauskanger quotation in the article actually names the essay, making it a little hard to claim it's off-topic. I'll cut it down a bit. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:36, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removals
Talk:Finn and Hengest

message: The Friesland mentioned in the poem, wouldn't it fit more for North Frisia which is apart of the Jutland Peninsula and where they historically bordered with the Jutes and Danes, as opposed West Frisia all the way in the Netherlands? --50.158.229.206 (talk) 21:23, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Frysland
Talk:Tolkien research

message: What? The JRR TOlkien and Tolkien pages are both the same. Is there a book called "Tolkien"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.181.29 (talk) 16:49, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you clarify what you are asking? Lava Lamps (talk) 17:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think they've failed to read the first sentence: "... subjects such as Tolkien as a writer of fantasy,". There isn't a page called "Tolkien as a writer of fantasy" but it is certainly a matter of scholarly inquiry. So the question isn't well-formed, or the answer is "there's no such page, read the article again". Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The works of J. R. R. Tolkien have generated a body of research covering subjects such as Tolkien... 

message: Is the Tolklang list active?
The last file I see in the message archive is from 2013.
--Error (talk) 12:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Exactly. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tolklang
Talk:Parma Eldalamberon

message: It has been claimed that the word "Eldalamberon" is incorrect, on the supposition that the only "correct" plural of "lambe" is "lambi". This is unproven, and in fact we know that the supposed "rule" behind this claim is not a rule; cf. "and these are they whom we now call the Valar (or the Vali, it matters not)." (quoth Rúmil).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aelfwine (talk • contribs) 02:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of the journal
Talk:Francis Grant (artist)

message: Something wrong here, but I have not worked out exactly what.  There is a link to The Harrow School on the north side of London in the text, but the article suggests that Grant went to a Harrow School in Scotland.  Is this a different Harrow School?  Or did Grant spend his early years in Perthshire before going to the famous Harrow School?  I'll see if I can do a quick bit of online research.
--Publunch 02:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it arose due to the Harrow School addition being inserted in the wrong place. It's just been corrected, I think.Paul W 14:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

message: Some textual references about Francis Grant can be found her (Henry Ottley, A biographical and critical dictionary, 1866 ; Robert Edmund Graves, in Dictionary of National Biography, 1890 ; Bryan's dictionary of painters and engravers, 1903). Piero-fr (talk) 08:25, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References
Talk:Club Atlético Sarmiento

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 17:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Club Atlético Sarmiento (Junín) →  – Reverting previously undiscussed move, this one is clearly a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. BRDude70 (talk) 14:04, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Football has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:56, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 27 February 2024
Talk:Deportivo Español

message: Hi everybody, although all the name changes the club suffered thorough the 1990s, people in Argentina never stop referring to the club as Deportivo Español, or simply Español. So I've changed the part that said it was frequently called Social Español either.Ipsumesse (talk) 00:38, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deportivo Español by locals