Talk:Calpernia Addams/Archive 1

message: So was she born a girl or a guy?  Could someone be more specific than using "she" from the very beginning of the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.113.148 (talk • contribs) 
(the above is clearly disrespectful and ignorant)
* From the article; "During this time she began her transition to living as a woman full-time". "She" is the proper pronoun to use - Ali-oops✍ 11:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added "as a boy" to the article, leaving "... was born and raised as a boy in ..." This seems the least contentious option, as no one can argue that Addams was raised as a boy. I personally believe that one of two things is necessary in this article: either 1) it is made clear that Addams was born as a boy, but identified as a woman and began living as a woman, or 2) the pronoun "he" is used up to the sentence "During this time she began her transition to living as a woman full-time." Tesseran 23:56, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: If her birth name is widely-known enough, I'd suggest we include it. NicF 03:34, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Calpernia was ever widely known by any other name, I do not know her birth name, I don't think it has been widely published, and I know Calpernia finds it very rude when people ask her what her birth name was.  I do not think this article should include her birth name, unless there is a very good reason for it to.  Andrea Parton 04:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After a bit of searching, I can't find any official policy on the inclusion of birth names in articles about people who are known by names other than the ones they were born with. But it strikes me -- and I should preface this by saying that I have nothing but the utmost respect for transgendered people and appreciate that this is a sensitive issue -- that one should not keep material out of an article merely because the subject of the article wouldn't want it there. I'm sure O.J. Simpson would love all the information about his trial to be removed from his article, but it's there, because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and if there's relevant, verifiable information about the subject of an article, then it probably belongs in the article. It's at least as relevant as the fact that Bill Clinton's birth name was Blythe. NicF 08:18, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, some of Wikipedia's articles on transgender people include their birth names, such as Dee Palmer, born as David Palmer, Wendy Carlos, born as Walter Carlos, and Barbara Amesbury, born as Bill Amesbury.  I agree that it is necessary for these articles to include the birth names of their subjects, because they gained much of their notability under their former names.  In the case of Barbara Amesbury's article, someone removed all references to her former name several times, and when edit wars ensued, nominated the article for deletion.  So this is definitely a sensitive issue.  On the other hand, I never knew that Bill Clinton was born as Blythe, and I find it interesting.  So, the question is, do you know Calpernia's birth name, and is it notable?  If so, I will not object if you add it to the article, but I cannot promise that no one else will.  Andrea Parton 15:25, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I have no idea what her birth name was. I'd never even heard of her before seeing her in Transamerica. NicF 00:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Wouldn't Addams be medically classified as being an intersexual rather than a transexual? Asarelah 06:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Term