Talk:Rope (film)

message: Okay, both the infobox and the IMDb say he was uncredited as producer, which contradicts the opening paragraph. Which is correct? sjorford (talk) 00:41, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just watched this and I studied the opening segment very closely and I've got to agree, I don't believe he's in that street shot at all.Lugnuts 19:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: In Rope Unleashed (the making-of documentary included on the Rope DVD in The Hitchcock Collection) the film's screenwriter Arthur Laurents states that Hitchcock does have a cameo in the opening street scene in addition to the neon caricature. Unfortunately he doesn't say which of the pedestrians Hitchcock is playing. 80.175.95.69 12:07, 02 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd agree with the statement that it isn't Hitchcock in the open credits.  I'm also not convinced that Laurents would have been present for a sequence that was probably shot by Lowell J. Farrell (assistant director).  In the films preceeding and following "Rope", Hitchcock's cameos are fairly obvious, but "Rope" presented the same problem that "Lifeboat" did, due to the nature of the set.  If Hitchcock had wanted to appear in the opening credit sequence, I'm he would have made it more obvious.  Davepattern (talk) 14:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncredited producer

message: Some people believe that Hitchcock has a cameo walking down the street at the beginning of Rope.  AFAIK most Hitchcock scholars do not believe that is him.  However, it is indisputable that he has a cameo by his caricature appearing in red neon outside the apartment window with the word Reduco appearing below it.  There are several times that it can be spotted throughout the movie.  There's a poor screenshot here http://www.daveyp.com/hitchcock/cameos/cameo43.html where it has been highlighted.  A production drawing for the sign has survived and was featured in a gallery at a Hitchcock Film Retrospective at the Museum of Modern Art in New York City in April 1999.  Hitchcock himself also mentioned the sign in a 1948 Popular Photography article reproduced in the book Hitchcock on Hitchcock: Selected Writings and Interviews edited by Sidney Gottlieb.  His cameo is dicussed in two paragraphs on page 282, the most relevant part of which is where he states "The Hitchcock countenance will appear in a neon 'Reduco' sign on the side of a miniature building!" Schizombie 23:08, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just watched this and I studied the opening segment very closely and I've got to agree, I don't believe he's in that street shot at all.Lugnuts 19:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: In Rope Unleashed (the making-of documentary included on the Rope DVD in The Hitchcock Collection) the film's screenwriter Arthur Laurents states that Hitchcock does have a cameo in the opening street scene in addition to the neon caricature. Unfortunately he doesn't say which of the pedestrians Hitchcock is playing. 80.175.95.69 12:07, 02 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd agree with the statement that it isn't Hitchcock in the open credits.  I'm also not convinced that Laurents would have been present for a sequence that was probably shot by Lowell J. Farrell (assistant director).  In the films preceeding and following "Rope", Hitchcock's cameos are fairly obvious, but "Rope" presented the same problem that "Lifeboat" did, due to the nature of the set.  If Hitchcock had wanted to appear in the opening credit sequence, I'm he would have made it more obvious.  Davepattern (talk) 14:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia Hitchcock's Cameo

message: I dispute the statement in the first paragraph of the "Homoeroticism" section, "The film clearly indicates that the two murderers in the film were having an affair."  While such an arrangement is certainly implied, it is certainly not clearly indicated.  It is left vague, whether intentionally to escape censorship or as an accidental byproduct of those efforts.  The viewer can take or leave it, although it certainly informs the performances.  We all know now that the intent was to depict the characters as gay, but this doesn't really come out (no pun intended) on screen.  Watch the film again: if Dall's performance were repeated today, mannerism for mannerism, the modern viewer would certainly agree that he's openly gay, but by the standards of the time he would simply be seen as "somewhat effete" (one can almost picture a 20-year-old George Sanders in the role); Granger's performance is not far removed from that in Strangers on a Train in which his character was demonstrably heterosexual; the relationship between the Dall and Granger characters appears to be that of an amoral manipulator and his high-strung, paranoid and easily led protege.  The only thing clearly indicated is that they are long-time friends who don't get along terribly well who are bound together by their needs to manipulate/be manipulated.  Is this meant as some ugly sterotype of a same-sex couple?  If not, then it's not "clearly indicated" that they are one, but only implied by other aspects of the relationship and open to viewer interpretation -- it's one possible subtext, but not the only possible one.  If no one disagrees, I want to change the wording of the sentence to reflect this.  I'm not denying that the characters were gay -- we know a posteriori that that was the intent -- I'm disputing that it is an obvious or necessary interpretation of the film.  Canonblack 21:01, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Schizombie 04:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely.  I watched this film a few days ago, and the idea that they were homosexual lovers never crossed my mind. Although in retrospect it seems to be a logical conclusion, it certainly is not "clearly indicated".  Changing the wording was very good. QuentinJamstar 00:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clearly indicated affair?? 

message: "Throughout the movie, Brandon and Rupert chain smoke."
This is pretty trivial, even for trivia. It is not telling you anything you can't see for yourself. Also, they do not literally "chain-smoke", that is, light each succeeding cigarette off the still-burning end of the preceding (although Captain Renault does just this in Casablanca) -- they just smoke a lot, like a lot of characters did in movies of this era. It's filler. Delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.59.24.199 (talk • contribs) 06:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chain-smoking. 

message: Is there a source for the film having a $1.5 million budget? Hitchcock was known as a very economic director, and I don't see him spending 1.5 million dollars on a one-room shoot. I've also read that the film cost only around $5,000. If the 1.5 million figure can't be confirmed, it should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.44.154.72 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  $1.5 million budget 

message: How stupid is it that the phrase "This was Hitchcock's first color film" is directly beside a black and white photo? Could someone get a color version of the same scene? --SeizureDog 22:38, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs a better picture

message: I'm not sure homoertoicism is the correct heading for the section as it implies arousal based on homosexuality presented in film.  It would seem to me "Homosexual subtext" or something along that line would be more appropriate, unless of course one gets off on "man on man" murder :-)
Philbertgray 12:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Homoeroticism correct heading

message: Could someone please clean up the mess in the fifth paragraph after the heading "Plot"? It should basically be deleted and replaced with a heading "Filming" as the text repeats. I'd do it myself but I'm not a very experienced editor and I don't want to make a mess of the layout. Steven J. Anderson 09:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Repeated text

message: Does anyone know a place to find the script? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.183.100.8 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Script?

message: There seems to be a discrepency between two statements in the "Filming" section regarding the length of the segments. Namely:
"Hitchcock filmed each scene in segments lasting up to eight minutes (the length of a reel of film at the time)"
and
"Another misconception is that all the shots last ten minutes. Actually, of the ten shots used for the film, only three approach or exceed the ten minute mark."
There is also a list of segments with durations which seems to support the segments lasting longer than 8 minutes, but I wonder if somebody more knowledgable could comment. Cheers TigerShark 18:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are two reel lengths mentioned. One is the length contained in a magazine for the film shoot. Since exposure to light would ruin the negative, and typically shots are never more than a few minutes, these are of smaller length than can actually fit on the reels that projectionists at the movie theater run. MMetro (talk) 13:55, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Apparent discrepency

message: Is there any room for mention of the 2002 film Murder by Numbers, which appears to be a loose remake of Rope? Actually, now that I look at it, according to the wiki page on that film it is loosely based on the case of Leopold and Loeb, which the writer of Rope denies was a source but clearly bears a striking resemblance, so I'm not sure... maybe there is a source somewhere showing a link between the two films, i.e. that Rope was an inspiration for MBN? Just an idea. Omgplz (talk) 19:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure it can be mentioned, see e.g. Ebert http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20020419/REVIEWS/204190305/1023 Шизомби (talk) 13:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Murder by numbers

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Rope1.jpg

message: According to several web sites the 1948 Dell novelization (credited to Hitchcock) was ghostwritten by a Don Ward, but I can't find a published source to provide a proper citation for that. Muzilon (talk) 11:42, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Novelization

message: I think I may have spotted an eleventh edit in the film that isn't mentioned in the table in the "Long Takes" section. When Rupert (James Stewart) tells Brandon (John Dall) that he would have carried the body down the stairs, the camera pans over to the doorway. If you look at the picture closely you can see a slight jump-cut as Brandon walks into the frame saying "But you'd be seen." Muzilon (talk) 04:41, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Previously unnoticed edit? 

message: "Two brilliant young aesthetes, Brandon Shaw (Dall) and Phillip Morgan (Granger), strangle to death their former classmate from Columbia University..."
Columbia University?? Brandon sneers that David "was a Harvard undergraduate", and Janet later mentions Harvard as well. Muzilon (talk) 13:49, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Columbia or Harvard? 

message: De Quincey is never mentioned in the movie, so have removed his name from the plot summary.  --  Pete Best Beatles (talk) 07:57, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thomas De Quincey