Talk:New York City transit fares

message: This article should probably cover MTA Bus Company fares. Thus it should not be moved to "New York City Transit fares". --NE2 08:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is considerable overlap between this page and MetroCard (New York City). Any merge proposal should probably involve a closer look at that article as well, for a more thorough rationale of where the material should be covered. Marc Shepherd 13:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: This needs a discussion of who reduced fare is for... gren グレン 10:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reduced Fare 

message: I've added the update template to the article. This page needs to be updated with sourced info about the 2009 Fare Increase. Acps110 (talk) 02:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2009 Fare Increase 

message: The article appears to talk about bus fares for the most part, but I also see mentions of the subway and AirTrain. There is also an article about the MetroCard (New York City). So should the scope of the article really be limited to buses (in which case the article should be moved to New York City bus fares) or a similar name) or should it be expanded or even merged into MetroCard (New York City)? Tinlinkin (talk) 04:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope 

message: Three transfer exceptions (where two transfers on one fare are allowed) (namely, #3-5) are related to Hurricane Sandy: #3 because the Manhattan VA Hospital was closed, and #4-5 because the A could not reach the Rockaways. Since Sandy was more than a year ago and the A service has long been restored, it is necessary to check whether these exceptions still exist.
Additionally, exception #6 (Q29 -> Q33 -> Q72 to LGA) cites a page which does not mention the transfer. It too needs to be verified, and relevant sources cited if available.--TroyGab (talk) 14:19, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The Hurricane Sandy transfers don't apply, so I have removed them. The Q29 to Q33 to Q72 transfer has been place since the Q70 LTD was introduced, see here. Epic Genius (talk) 17:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! The LGA source you provided is a Planned Service Changes page, which is archived and will not be edited to reflect subsequent changes. It is best to have a page that is periodically edited for changes, but if such a source is not available, this one will do.--TroyGab (talk) 17:05, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No such source is available regarding transfers, unfortunately. Epic Genius (talk) 01:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transfer exceptions require verification 

message: I removed it because the most reliable reference for the fares  is from the primary source itself. epic genius (talk) 13:17, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: And I reinstated it because that is the problem. We need to fix it rather than removing the improvement tag. --John (talk) 19:02, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Tell me then, is a secondary source better than a primary one if you want to reference the PRIMARY SOURCES' FARES? This is ridiculous. If you want to add secondary source for the fares, fine, but remember you are not getting the fares from a reliable source. Thus, WP:UNRELIABLE.  epic genius (talk) 20:13, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. Well, we generally only cover things that are discussed in secondary sources, so I don't think this article can survive as an article that just repeats things from a primary source. Hence the tag. Do you think WP:AFD is a better way to go? --John (talk) 23:15, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you really suggesting that? You can't be serious. This is a notable topic that is discussed in secondary sources, but these sources, ironically, aren't reliable for the fares themselves. (They can be described for the fare history, but not the fares themselves because the fares are liable to frequent change.)Heck, why don't you nominate MetroCard (New York City) for deletion too, since it's similarly "non-notable"! epic genius (talk) 02:07, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary source tag removal 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: We should find a way to add the three-legged transfers from the MTA's tariff document. The issue is that there are very specific restrictions. For instance, there is an additional transfer for passengers using both the Bx12 and the Bx29. It has to be insert bus-Bx12-Bx29 or Bx29-Bx12-insert bus.
This is where it gets complicated. Notice the Bx9.
Heading on the Bx12 Westbound, passengers with Westbound Bx29 transfers get an additional transfer one of the following buses:
*Bx31 Both Directions 
*Bx8 Both Directions 
*Bx39 Both Directions 
*Bx22 Both Directions 
*Bx9 Both Directions 
*Bx19 Both Directions 
*Bx17 Toward 135 St 
*Bx15 Toward 125 St 
*Bx55 Both Directions 
*Bx41 Both Directions 
*Bx34 Toward Woodlawn 
*Bx28 Toward Co-op City 
*Bx38 Toward Co-op City
* Bx1 Both Directions
* Bx2 Both Directions
*Bx32 Both Directions 
*Bx3 Both Directions 
*Bx7 Both Directions 
*Bx20 Toward Riverdale 
*M100 Both Directions
Before heading on the eastbound Bx12 and Bx29, you can use one of the following:
*M100 Both Directions 
* Bx20 Toward 207 St 
*Bx7 Both Directions 
*Bx3 Both Directions 
*Bx32 Both Directions
*Bx1 Both Directions
*Bx2 Both Directions
*Bx28 Toward Valentine Av 
*Bx38 Toward Valentine Av 
*Bx34 Toward Fordham Rd 
*Bx41 Both Directions 
*Bx55 Both Directions 
*Bx15 Fordham Plaza
*Bx17 Fordham Plaza
*Bx19 Both Directions
*Bx9 Toward Riverdale 
*Bx22 Both Directions 
*Bx39 Both Directions
*Bx8 Both Directions 
*Bx31 Both Directions
There are other things in the document that can be added to the article, but I would like to reach a consensus about how to deal with the three-legged transfers.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:52, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The bus-Bx12-Bx29 transfer sounds very complicated. I personally don't think we need to describe every single one. Or, we can combine the routes where transfers are available in both directions, versus uni-directional transfers on the six bus routes. epicgenius (talk) 03:46, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

text: My Gordian solution is Wikipedia:NOTTRAVEL. We are not obligated to list all these options. It's enough to mention their existence and link the source. Vcohen (talk) 09:54, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That was my concern. How much detail should we include?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 10:56, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  As much as you have included in the starting paragraph of this discussion. Vcohen (talk) 12:16, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Fare enough. ;)--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:06, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  To be honest, I've never considered it. I haven't read what you've written about it yet, but it looks like everybody else agrees you have enough there. ---------User:DanTD (talk)  04:56, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

text:  TroyVan (talk) 15:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three-legged transfers 

message: With the base fare staying flat, and the bonus being eliminated, I think we should create a section or a subsection on the bonus. Do you agree? Also, I don't think free transfers are allowed between HudsonLink and Bee-Line buses. An additional dollar is required  Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:24, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if the bonus needs its own section, since the bonuses are already in the "Fare history" section. We can just describe the bonus eliminations there. I do agree with adding the HudsonLink/Bee-Line non-transfer. epicgenius (talk) 19:58, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bonus 

message: It might be worth doing an article on this for fares on MNR and the LIRR, but I don't know what the title for the article would be.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 15:18, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commuter rail fares 

message: I've opened a discussion thread at WP:NORN#NYC express bus reduced fare about the one Template:Failed verification tag now standing on the base fare table. Trivial stuff, I know; it's the principle of the thing. TroyVan (talk) 03:13, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @TroyVan, the exact fares are given in page 4 of this document. A reduced-fare trip on an express bus will result in "the deduction of $3.35 from a valid Reduced Fare MetroCard". – Epicgenius (talk) 20:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know how I missed that. TroyVan (talk) 02:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:NORN]] Discussion 

message: Hello, as an editor who lives outside of the New York area, but recently travelled there, I feel like parts of this article are inaccurate, but I don't feel confident enough in the material to make the changes.
The first sentence of the Fare media section says "all fare payments must be made using MetroCard" -- then the next several sentences explaining all the different ways fare payments can be made not using MetroCard.
The last sentence of the Fare media section says "As of March 2022, OMNY is only for full-fare, pay-per-ride trips, and MetroCard remains the only option for discounted or unlimited-ride fares." While the part about full-fare/discounted fares seems to be true -- I saw tons of ads on the subway telling me that if I tap my card 12 times, OMNY would give me the rest of the week free. That seems like a unlimited-ride fare to me. RickyCourtney (talk) 20:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like that section of text has not gotten any attention lately. All fixed. TroyVan (talk) 16:08, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccuracies