Wikipedia talk:Avoid using WikiProject talk page templates

message: It seems to me that the use of adding WikiProject banner advertising templates to talk pages has been practiced for over two years:
*The first time WikiProject templates were added to Wikipedia:Template messages occurred on 18 February 2004  These were early version of these kinds of templates when we were still using the "msg" namespace instead of the "template" namespace.
*Template:WikiProjectNotice, the standard model for WikiProject banner advertising templates, was first created on 8 September 2004 
*It is mentioned when Wikipedia:WikiProject/Best practices was first created on 11 August 2004 
Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:29, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - so they're not recent. They still need to die. --SPUI (T - C) 06:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject templates is NOT a recent trend

message: *Strongest possible oppose The situations where an article does NOT have a talk page is getting rarer and rarer. These templates help to build the community and help editors find articles that they may be able to improve. --InShaneee 03:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most highway projects have been doing it, as well as some states. I've come across talk pages with 2-3 of these and nothing else. --SPUI (T - C) 07:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty much every active WikiProject does it; pretty much every inactive one does not.  Care to guess at the relationship between level of project activity and ability to advertise the project? Kirill Lokshin 16:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmmm. I guess then it would be an expansion of the CSD; and . --SPUI (T - C) 07:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps an expansion of CSD G8 ()?—Scott5114↗ 08:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: That's not much of a compromise, considering how few talk pages actually have meaningful discussion on them.  In most cases, a link to a WikiProject is more useful than having nothing at all. Kirill Lokshin 16:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Err, what does your first comment have to do with anything?  It's not like you're obligated to add the tags; there are plenty of other people willing to do it for you. Kirill Lokshin 16:02, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Or maybe the number of sections?  Since the tags are always placed in section 0, that'll give a better estimate if multiple edits have been made to the tags themselves. Kirill Lokshin 22:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, this sounds like you'd also oppose putting  for the same reasons, even though this is helping people to know how to start discussions and how to sign comments (things that newbies do not inherently know.-plange 00:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial comments 

message: Why not leave this an essay, and phrase it along the lines of "Please don't add WikiProject templates to empty talk pages." Seems like a simple enough thing, and I don't see why this needs the force of policy. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong Oppose - Project templates not only help recruit editors, but it also helps assess articles on quality and importance, a function that is needed on articles without discussion as well. Plus what about s? They go on blank discussion pages and serve a very useful function for newbies. plange 14:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree on talkheader. I proposed putting similar text into the Mediawiki message, but nothing happened. My bad I guess. --kingboyk 21:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The loss of a redlink is such a minor, even trivial, loss compared to the gain of knowing what the rating for quality and importance is that I really can't see even this compromise as a good idea, much less the original suggestion. Strong oppose  and suggest this essay be deleted. ++Lar: t/c 03:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I do not consider this to be a "serious flaw". However, even if it were, the injunction should be to avoid putting templates like Template:Talkheader and other WikiProject templates on a talk page until after a discussion has been started on that talk page.  	 
- 	: --Richard 06:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A thought... 

message: Have the developers make the discussion tab a different colour - perhaps green - if the only contents of a talk page are transcluded templates. Everyone's a winner! --kingboyk 22:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That or just have subpages along the lines of /meta on the Talk: page with the relevant templates and a notice at the top. Kamryn Matika 00:29, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A simple solution