Talk:Zombie (folklore)/Archive 1

message: There needs to be a "self-help" page on how best to survive a zombie apocalypse.
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I made some minor edits to other sections in regard to information being repeated over and over again, but mostly focused on "Zombies in film." I put a little bit about the situation today, and tried to clarify when directors "invented" different parts of today's popular zombie mythology. I also got rid of a lot of the information about Resident Evil, as I thought it was more suited for the Resident Evil article and not for the zombie page. While Resident Evil is, I suppose, responsible for introducing today's teenagers to zombies, I really don't think it's an important enough movie to the zombie subgenre to justify multiple paragraphs, details about its soundtrack, and a bulleted list of plot points. Inanechild 9 July 2005 04:12 (UTC)
 
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Can anyone cite or give more info about the legal section?  I have searched the New Orleans Municipal Code for "somnambulism", "zombi" and "zombie" and found nothing.  Is this real, or an urban legend?
--Jkonrath 19:53, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not understand why someone keeps coming in and deleting the section of this article entitled "Zombies in Science." It seems very well researched and there seems to be no justification for it's deletion. If someone chooses to delete this section for a THIRD time, would you please have the courtesy to the original writer, who obviously worked very hard, to JUSTIFY or EXPLAIN your deletion here on the "talk" page? 204.251.1.189 20:47, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Self-help

message: I suggest we change the zombie picture. No offence to the artist, but it really looks nothing like a zombie.
: I agree. With the hundreds of zombie movies we could screencap as fair use, there's no reason to have such a crappy picture for this article. And I have no problems with offending the so-called "artist"---just because some lame kid with a pencil, a scanner, and a copy of "Gradients For Dummies" can contribute to Wikipedia is no reason to support the practice. Normally I'd suggest that we clean up the sub-par text first but a message needs to be sent to any other tortured 15-year-old goths with notions of uploading their homework scribbles. For a laugh, check out the image history and note how the submitter tried to legitimize the image by listing it as "used with permission"---then check out the submitter's user page to verify that yes, he is the "artist".  Let's trash the crap sketch while getting a screencap from a "Shaun of the Dead" press kit or a similar source. 138.88.100.140 00:36, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Update: check out the history for Image:Zombie.jpg. See, there was a decent image, but the tortured 15-year-old goth (identified as user "Thesmokingmonkey") killed it b/c of copyvio. Someone with fairuse experience should tell us if publicity photos are safe. 138.88.100.140 00:44, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture? 

message: Crickets can get infected by a parasite that kills them and then takes control of their minds and bodies to take the corpse to water and be able to reproduce!
ZOMBIES!: A possibility?
According to the article, the parasite does not kill the cricket, but manipulates it to dive into water, whereupon the parasite leaves the body of the drowning cricket in order to continue its own reproductive cycle.  The cricket is still alive while being manipulated by the parasite and hence, technically, isn't a zombie. --143.127.3.10 20:59, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: More on the topic see Moore J. (2002) Parasites and the behavior of animals" . Oxford University Press.  Pete.Hurd 21:49, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zombies in REAL LIFE 

message: *  Zombie Dogs - Scientists reanimate dogs in America.
The story is no longer available. --Arny 11:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed a link 

message: Figuratively, a zombie is a very apathetic person, who may have little awareness of their surroundings, or  may be easily manipulated by others.  "Zombie" may also be used as a more critical alternative to "couch potato" to describe someone in the thrall of television. In fact seemingly healthy, well-adjusted individuals are zombies in the sense that they accept uncritically the tenets of consumer culture and behave unconsciously in the service of that culture.
-- removed the above as it belongs somewhere else - either on wiktionary, or the disambiguation page, or its own article. Niz 21:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so -- the "couch potato" use is derived from this use.  It is a cultural consequence thereof. -  Che Nuevara:  Join the Revolution 22:22, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other uses of the word 

message: A quote from this page has been added to Wikipedia's humor category. Durova 17:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Talk page highlights]] 

message: I don;t have time to sort this all out, but somebody put that ugly nonencyclopedic fan art drawing back up at the top and put the plan 9 zombie down lower, so the section reads: 
:Zombies in fiction
:games]]. 
Which clearly means something got majorly cut off there.
Also, the Internet section is completely pointless and just a way to get things that don;t qualify for external links into the article itself, so I am removing it. DreamGuy 03:52, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yes somthing got cut off (half a sentence). i restored it. agree internet section is 10-y-o schoolboys cruft and was correctly removed. BUT regarding image: the discussion above is NOT about the "zombie in sugarcane" picture, it was about some 10-y-o's "artists impression" that was there previously (which was removed). the sugarcane one is a PD image taken from wikimedia, and its perfectly fine, and useful, depicting a voodoo zombie rather than a fictional one. cheers. Zzzzz 09:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly, the one there now looks like some 10 year old's impression. The image is rather poor art just made by somebody and not actually related to the voodoo zombie tradition other than being a rather poor artistic interpretation. Wikipedia articles are not for amateur art. Real images from movies or actual references are needed. I am removing it again. DreamGuy 06:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Says the spammer who keeps linking to his own site. DreamGuy 06:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is messed up 

message: I suggest that the article be edited to indicate that Vodou is the appropriate term for the Haitian religion, whereas Voodoo is seen as politically incorrect given the ways Haitian religion has been portrayed in Western media over the years. Voodoo is now used to refer only to the media-constructed version of Haitian religion. Vodou refers to the real religion.Wikigonish (talk) 23:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vodou vs voodoodoo 

message: The Zombies are alot like us in a new whole way. Like an evolution, but here's are the ways zombies are dead people being controlled by Living virus. These are about the zombies, I'm not yet done so this is on the watchlist. --KNLR (talk) 21:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is original research and can't be put on the article.  Also there are various ways zombies are created throughout the genre (Romero's Dead series doesn't involve diseases), so focusing just on disease doesn't make sense. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 21:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it sounds (reads?) like it's taken from The Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks mixed with Land of the Dead (Via Day of the Dead)!   Doktor  Wilhelm  23:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the living dead 

message: Does anyone think we should change this with something from Night of the Living Dead, being that A.) It's considered to the definitive and most iconic zombie film, and B.) It's in the public domain?--CyberGhostface (talk) 01:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To replace the image in the Popular culture section, yes. But the main one up top should remain, since the pop culture version of the zombie is not the primary focus on the article, but rather, the version that originates in religion. Nightscream (talk) 07:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's what I meant.--CyberGhostface (talk) 12:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture for zombies in modern culture? 

message: It probably ought to be pointed out in the article that Zombies are a rather popular movie monster probably for the simple fact that they are inexpensive to make.  A bit of makeup on a group of people with ripped clothing is all you need - which is far less than designing and building a monster suit, or paying a lot of money on a CGI monster.--Pittsburghmuggle (talk) 16:19, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe this should go into the Zombies in popular culture, if you have a verifiable source. Travisl (talk) 20:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easy to make a movie with 

message: Stumbled upon this article, hopefully someone may find it of use:
* Scientists Share Insights on Zombies
Regards, PC78 (talk) 19:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zombie article 

message: There's some disagreement between Zombie#Social activism and Zombie walk#History. ~900 in PA in 2006, ~1100 in Toronto in 2007. Was there a larger one yet? Should probably be reworked to avoid being rendered incorrect again soon, but I lack the sobriety and initiative to fix it. BigNate37(T) 17:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The official record was broken with 1227 zombies in Nottingham, UK, on the 31 October 2008 as I have added to the page. Funny how it was on Halloween, ask if you have any questions (I was there)! OlliffeΦObscurity 15:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worlds largest walk 

message: This article lists "I Am Legend" as a film which depicts fast zombies. The creatures in "I Am Legend" are vampires, not zombies.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.216.91.178 (talk) 01:43, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: . Clark89 (talk) 00:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  contemporaneous depictions in film 

message: Regarding the possible etymology of the word zombie, the Kongo word 'nzambi' is said to mean both 'spirit of a dead person' and 'god', at 2 different points in this article. Is it similar to the Japanese word 'kami' which has several different interpretations, or is one of these merely an error?  
Edited a few minutes later: It seems Nzambi was the name for the Kongo's (mostly) monotheistic deity, so I'm not sure how it would've come to mean zombie, although one of the things I read indicated him having a fairly direct role in the afterlife. None of the sources I read were reliable or complete enough to really cite though. So, anyone with a book all about Kongo religion - jump right in. 24.60.202.209 (talk) 21:01, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small language variance 

message: Should this really be included?  The quoted version just talks about releasing the dead upon the living.  No indication of corpeal/ephermeral, ghost, corpse, mindless, concious, anything.  It's like referring to any of the warriors up in Valhalla coming into Midgard as zombies.  75.95.230.25 (talk) 21:45, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It's utter nonsense. There's no indication in the text that they should be considered to be like zombies at all instead of ghosts or other forms of what we now think of as undead. Calling them zombies is not supported by the evidence and just original research -- and bad original research at that. I've removed it. DreamGuy (talk) 14:29, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epic of Gilgamesh 

message: I belive that it is worth mentioning that despite apperances the "Infected" in 28 days later and 28 weeks later are not zombies.
They are simply human beings infrcted with a virus.
Since they lack death, or rather still possess life they are not Zombies.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pontifactus (talk • contribs) 10:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  28 days and no Zombies 

message: The second paragraph says nzambi, the Kongo word meaning "spirit of a dead person," but the third paragraph says the Kongo word nzambi, which means "god". "Spirit of a dead person" is correct, but I can't edit this page to fix it.  ZombieGrrrl  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZombieGrrrl (talk • contribs) 06:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nzambi translation 

message: In the article 28 Days Later is cited as a zombie film. It is not a zombie film as you can see, here: 
http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/14315  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.63.100 (talk) 16:24, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are also refs to them being Zombies: http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/movie_review/stylus-magazines-top-10-zombie-films-of-all-time.htm & http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2007/may/06/features.review so maybe the words of the Director don't mean anything when it comes to what the world at large refers to a horror movie creature as being?   Doktor  Wilhelm  00:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes needed 

message: As stated the effects of the poison used to create "voodoo zombies" dont explain the gait or death like state. One popular explanation however is that if someone was poisoned, and then buried, revived from the poison and suffered oxygen deprevation while trying to escape from a coffin, the lack of oxygen could cause brain damage, and the victim would have stroke like syptoms (ie: paralysis of one side of the body causing a strange walk, and the inability to talk causing a moaning sound).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.109.107.253 (talk) 17:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voodoo Zombie "Gait" Explanation 

message: I can't find any reference to it online, but Leonard Abrams, creator of the film "Quilombo Country," has suggested to me that the word zombie derives from Zumbi dos Palmares, a 17th-century Brazilian slave rebel, whose followers believed he would return from the dead. Any lexicographers out there care to comment?
˜˜˜˜ Ken Atkatz, katkatz@nyc.rr.com  03/05/09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.244.11.23 (talk) 12:20, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of the word zombie 

message: What is the criteria that is it not a reliable source?  As far as I can tell, it is published by a third party publisher, which is all that is required for citing a book.--SiIIyLiIIyPiIIy (talk) 18:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem here is that there are all sorts of books that exist. By reliable I mean giving information that is accurate. This book is written from a fictional viewpoint treating fictional and mythological items as if they were real and engaged in some creative writing in the process. It deviates from the source material quite often. It's not a source that treats its material in a nonfiction way. It's an art coffee table book and full of inaccuracies. To claim that being published by a third party publisher is all that is required is simply not true, otherwise we could quote the novelization of Night of the Living Dead where it talks about the spacecraft making the dead walk around as a source for the asserting that satellite radiation causes corpses to go around eating people as a fact instead of fiction. Besides just the reliability in general there's also the question of whether the info fits in the article at all. The FBI is a reliable source for number of reported murders in a year, for example, but that doesn't mean that info belongs in this article. There are LOTS of things that need to be met before a book can be cited in an article, and The Encyclopedia of Things That Never Were fails all of them. DreamGuy (talk) 15:30, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was not directly familiar with the book, so was trying to get more information about it.  I was under the impression that it was simply a book discussing different mythic creatures from folklore.  The deletions makes sense in that light.  Thank you for the clarification.--SiIIyLiIIyPiIIy (talk) 16:08, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about ''Encyclopedia of Things That Never Were'' 

message: The article refers to Night of the Living Dead as the origin of the zombie-as-cannibal theme, which sounds right. But that movie has zombies munching on any body part they can get their hands on. Where did they start focus on the cranium? I apologize for my ignorance, but I'm not into horrow, and NofLD is the only zombie movie I've seen. 
Why I care: Just finished play Plants Versus Zombies! Isaac R (talk) 21:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hahaha, funny game :) The earliest specific brain-seeking I can recall is the 1987 Horror-comedy Return of the Living Dead with the famous line..."Bring more paramedics!" Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:41, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whence the taste for brains? 

message: There is an awful lot of the artist, or possibly fans, telling me what the art signifies. For instance, what the paragraph describes is not the promotion of any political cause that I am aware of, so the writer is effectively declaring that Zombieness is a political cause. This is most certainly not a neutrally-toned summary style. Hopefully I will have time to fix this later. Oh, and perhaps someone can find a citation for 'Zuvembie'; I remember that being the voodoo name. I really couldn't swear to it, but if you have nothing to do... Anarchangel (talk) 06:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social activism 

message: Under reference #5, the link to Zora Neale Hurston is marked [dead link]. In this particular context, there can surely only be undead links.
Frankly speaking (talk) 07:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead wrong 

message: there is no mention at all about zombies in video games or any of the most popular zombie games either like dead rising, left 4 dead, resident evil, oh i think silent hill has zombie like creatures. user--Stephendwan (talk) 14:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  video games zombies 

message: (I originally wrote about the deathlike gait of the zombie, but found someone already had, please forgive)...
(I had read that a Haitian zombies slow gait and/or mental slowness was what happened when the Voodoo Priestess/Priest didn't get back to the drugged body in time and so the victim would get brain damage from lack of oxygen due to being buried. 
In that same article (that I have no idea where it is now but I'll keep looking) it said something about how once these Zombies were raised, even if they traveled back to their home villages they'd be treated as undead, strangers. Even calling that their "old life"...Like it is just accepted.)
I also read about a Haitian Law that makes it illegal to create zombies. Maybe that law should be mentioned on this page because it's a real legal thing about something more hidden and unbelievable. Sort of showing that is exists.
Ok I just searched for it, all signs said it was Article 249 of the Haitian Penal Code, but it didn't translate like that to me. Article 246 and the little paragraphs after is the closest I could find. It's in French and I translated with Babelfish:
(original penal code -  babelfish translation follows)
Art. 246.- Est qualifié empoisonnement, tout attentat à la vie d'une personne, par l'effet de substances qui peuvent donner la mort plus ou moins promptement, de quelque manière que ces substances aient été employées ou administrées, et quelles qu'en aient été les suites.- C. pén. 240, 247, 262, 263, 334, 372.
Est aussi qualifié attentat à la vie d'une personne, par empoisonnement, l'emploi qui sera fait contre elle de substances qui sans donner la mort, auront produit un état léthargique plus ou moins prolongé, de quelque manière que ces substances aient été employées et quelles qu'en aient été les suites.
Si, par suite de cet état léthargique, la personne a été inhumée, l'attentat sera qualifié assassinat.- C. pén. 241 et suivant. Ainsi mod. Loi 27 Oct. 1864.
(babelfish translation)
Article 246. - Poisoning, any attack with the life d' is qualified; a person, by l' effect of substances which can give death more or less promptly, of some manner that these substances were employed or managed, and which qu' in were the continuations. - C. PEN. 240,247,262,263,334,372.
Attack with the life d' is also qualified; a person, by poisoning, l' employment which will be made against it substances which without giving death, will have produced a more or less prolonged state of lethargy, in some manner that these substances were employed and which qu' in were the continuations.
If, in consequence of this state of lethargy, the person were buried, l' attack will be qualified assassination. - C. PEN. 241 and following. Thus MOD. Law Oct 27, 1864.
Maybe there is more somewhere, but this is all I could find at this moment. Everywhere I read that there is this Article 249 in the Haitian Penal Code made in the 1800's that makes creating zombies illegal...well, it's not so obviously exactly that, is it...
If anyone is interested in researching this any further, here is a link to the "Legislation Haiti (Lexadin)"  where I looked under the criminal law link found a link to the Penal code: 
I think it would make this article more interesting to have this stuff in there. If it can be found, I mean more obviously would be nice. --UmiJune (talk) 18:50, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zombie gait and then a bit of the Haitian Penal Code. 

message: Odd that the article has no reference to the most well known zombie in history. How should he be included? 68.155.16.175 (talk) 20:09, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: thats just wrong. he wasnt a zombie. this isnt a forum for offending people.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.204.217 (talk) 22:40, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesus 

message: This is in reference to a citation I included in a statement that zombie levels are a cliche in FPS multiplayer video games to the point of satire; the citation was to the webcomic, Least I Could Do. While I would agree that a webcomic is an unsuitable citation in regard to raw facts, a popular webcomic which is a simple example of such pop culture satire seems appropriate. It's certainly not the only piece of entertainment which satirizes the omnipresence of zombies in video games, and more examples would be beneficial.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.183.48 (talk) 12:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: suitability of webcomic as citation 

message: hi, i've never done this before, so i'm just gonna put the title of an anthropological article down 
The Secrets of Haiti's Living Dead - A Harvard botanist investigates mysticpotions, voodoo rites, and the making of zombies.
by Gino Del Guercio 
from Harvard Magazine, January/February 1986, pp. 31-37.  copyrited in 1986 by Guercio
 http://windward.hawaii.edu/facstaff/dagrossa-p/articles/SecretesofHaitisLivingDead.pdf
(has no idea if she did that right... and cant figure out the nofollow thing to save her life)
just thought i'd put it out there since the article is locked and i can't edit it
thanks
Kay.ringsby (talk) 16:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Source refering to Wade Davis' zombie Discoveries 

message: How do all these Zombie Apocalypses start? it always seem like someone wakes up and the world is in chaos with zombies roaming around (like in 28 weeks later and Dawn of the Dead). How do these Viruses come around. The only movie I saw that shed light on it was Quarantine.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Savre123 (talk • contribs) 23:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zombie Apocalypse? 

message: Here is an interesting article on the meaning of modern depictions of zombies, although i'm not sure where it could fit into the article:
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2009/11/cultural-notebook-3/
86.29.16.231 (talk) 16:45, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marxist theory on depiction of Zombies 

message: I believe the "pre-industrial" in the quote, "in a world reduced to a pre-industrial hostile wilderness" should be changed to "post-industrial." Anonymous1726 (talk) 18:20, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Edit 

message: His paper on zombies is a work of fiction written from a neurological standpoint. His view is not an authority to define what are "true zombies" and what are not. Schlozman himself does refer to 28 days later and Dawn of the Dead remake creeps as zombies also in the interview, but states that they are not true zombies in the light of his (fictional) paper, which only considers the slowly walking zombies. The views on Schlozman should go under "other media", as his fictional paper isn't a movie.Shubi (talk) 23:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steven Schlozmans term 

message: I merged these two sections as both had information belonging under the other section and general information concerning both sections.Shubi (talk) 00:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Modern zombie films" and "in other media" merged 

message: There's still a more or less comprehensive etymology section missing. Wiktionary has the term zombie be derived from Bantu jumbee, see  --79.193.35.83 (talk) 18:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Zombie Blog  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enderled (talk • contribs) 05:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great Zombie Blog 

message: Zomblog  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enderled (talk • contribs) 05:52, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blogs and Discussions 

message: In the short story The Nameless Offspring by Clark Ashton Smith, the ghoul is a cannibalistic humanoid which, besides eating the flesh off human corpses, gets to procreate with people erroneously buried while still alive.
190.84.72.6 (talk) 23:21, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly should be changed?  fetchcomms☛ 23:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: Please add the following into the In Music section:
Send More Paramedics were a horror hardcore band from Leeds in the north of England. The band played in the 1980s crossover style, what they described as "Zombiecore...a fusion of 80s thrash and modern hardcore punk",[1]  with lyrics about zombies and cannibalism, and are heavily influenced by zombie movies. On-stage, they dress as zombies and the drummer dons a Mexican wrestling mask (a homage to the character in Brian Clement's Meat Market films with whom he also shares the name El Diablo). As part of this on-stage persona, band members claim to be members of the living dead.
90.219.249.190 (talk) 13:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see this edit. How does that grab you? Unomi (talk) 14:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: I'm not entirely aware of how protocol works on Wikipedia, but I assume that most people who read the 'Zombies in gaming' section would agree that the clear advertisement for a game named Urban Dead rather sticks out and spoils the flow a tad... Is the obviously intended advertisement not a tad irrelevant? "The massively multiplayer online role-playing game Urban Dead, a free grid-based browser game where zombies and survivors fight for control of a ruined city, is one of the most popular games of its type, with an estimated 30,680 visits per day." - Certainly a large chunk of text to include in what is essentially a list. I'd recommend deletion? 86.135.31.182 (talk) 13:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the overall size of the section, I wouldn't call one sentence a large chunk of text. Also, you neglected to mention that the information is sourced, which apparently supports the assertion about the game's popularity. If it was unsourced or unreliably sourced, I'd be among the first to vote for its removal, but as-is, the sentence seems appropriate and isn't giving undue weight to the one game. Doniago (talk) 14:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban Dead - Product Placement? 

message: Surviving the Undead
Our society is woefully unprepared for a conceivable threat of epic proportions. Have you ever considered how you would survive a zombie attack? Surprisingly, there isn’t any empirical evidence or scientific studies comparing the pros and cons of each type. By comparing organisms that can behave like zombies and analyzing the limited data on zombies that is available, I propose that, should you ever find yourself in a battle against the undead, you’ll be better off going head to head with a slow zombie than a fast one. 
1.	Brief History
Zombies have been around for ages, with the earliest known reference from 1000 BC in the story of the goddess Ishtar keeping zombie-like creatures under her control. Published observational studies of zombies date back to the 1800s. Our contemporary perception of zombies originates from Haiti and Africa with smatterings of reports throughout the Caribbean. These real zombies were said to have had their souls taken over by a sorcerer though it is now widely believed the walking “undead” state is induced by consuming psychoactive drugs or naturally occurring poisons that are ingested or applied to the zombie via open wounds. By all accounts, all of these real zombies were of the “slow” persuasion. The fast ones have come along much more recently in film, television and video games. 
2.	Study of Speed
Assembling a group of zombies as we know them, be they slow or speedy, is no easy undertaking and, quite frankly, can be hazardous to one’s health. To study the speed differential of zombies, we’ll have to use real-life approximations. The classic movie Night of the Living Dead features slow moving zombies. While the swiftness of their step is not known, this author guesstimates their speed to be about three miles an hour – about as fast a non-zombie human would stroll through a park. 
 In the Hollywood hit movie I Am Legend, most living creatures are infected with a virus that causes them to become zombies – fast zombies. As the angry mob of zombies try to attack and kill one of the few uninfected humans (played by Will Smith), they seem to advance much faster than humans can run. According to EliteFeet.com, the average man can run about seven miles per hour. The same website lists that the fastest man is able to sprint at a rate of well over twenty miles per hour. 
To realistically illustrate fast and slow zombies, we will use common animals based on their speed as well as common characteristics of zombies; the undead are always carnivorous, travel in groups and murderous. Domesticated housecats are known to run up to thirty miles per hour according to CatCustomer.com and it is reasonable to assume their ill-mannered cousins, feral cats, run about as fast. This is three times the speed of the average man, a close enough approximation of fast zombies. 
As for the slow zombies, there are no known predatory animals that travel at the leisurely pace of about three miles per hour. With some adjustments, however, one animal can fill in for our slow zombies – an injured bear. Texas Parks and Wildlife estimates uninjured bears sprint at a speed of thirty to thirty-five miles. It is further estimated that wild animals with injuries to their hind quarters lose up to ninety percent of their speed. This means our injured bears are advancing at about three miles per hour, perfect for our slow zombies. 
3.	On the Attack, On the Defense
Finding a safe, zombie-free zone is nearly impossible. As soon as the undead realize you are alive, they will stop at nothing to sink their teeth into your brain. They may take a long time but they will find you. There wouldn’t be much to fear if they simply gave up and went back to the morgue, would there? You will, at one point or another, be forced into battle with them. If given the choice, you should always choose to fight the slow zombies rather than the fast ones. 
 Fast zombies, represented by feral cats, are the weaker of the two types. In hand to hand combat, the living have an advantage of greater strength. When fighting a feral feline, you would know where its weak spots are – clearly its neck and brain. If you had to kill or be killed, you would find the courage and have the strength to snap its neck or crush its skull. Fast zombies, just as feral cats, are much easier and quicker to kill if you are up against just one. This simplicity does not hold true when their numbers are multiplied. 
A pride of feral cats will attack quickly and from many sides. It’s unlikely you’ll even see them all before they are clawing at your head and nibbling on your extremities. Fast zombies are much more persistent than the slow ones, making it unlikely they will simply turn their attention to someone else. If they have their sights set on you they aren’t likely to stop pursuing you until you’re dead. 
Because they are so fast, the idea of setting up a trap to kill the speedy zombies or feral cats is unfeasible. There is little chance that you’ll be able to defeat them from a distance because they often know where you are long before you see them. 
Slow zombies, represented by the injured bears, do not pose the same threat as the fast zombies. You have plenty of time to find a safe hiding area and set up traps or at the very least, search for weapons while they find their way to you. This isn’t to say they won’t find you, it will just take them much longer. 
While they are approaching, you are advised to go on the offense and begin attacking them as soon as you are able. Guns are ideal weapons against slow zombies when they are far away but make sure you have plenty of ammunition. The slower they are, the hardier they are and the more hits it will take to kill them. 
For those zombies you aren’t able to kill from a distance, you will need to be prepared for some very challenging hand to hand combat. Your best weapon against these resilient creatures is a chainsaw or, in the event you don’t have one handy, an ax works quite well. Because you can’t necessarily see their weak spots you should be prepared for a long battle with these guys. Slow zombies will not turn away once you have injured them, if anything they attack with even more enthusiasm.
Another consideration is the size of their weapon. An injured bear’s paws are up to twice as large as a human head. One swipe of a mitt from one of these beasts and you’ll be a goner for sure. The advantage here is you’ll have plenty of time to outrun them, outwit them and possibly plan an attack to kill them before they get you. 
4.	Experts Weigh In
In his article “The Zombie Velocity Test,” Curtis Silver compares the facets of zombie speed as they’ve evolved in movies and video games to come to his own conclusion of the “which is better” debate. While his commentary is more anecdotal than scientific, his opinion that the slow zombies are better to battle in real life and fast zombies make for better entertainment is still quite valid. 
Garrison Vandine is a self-appointed expert in the field of zombie study. He has years of experience killing zombies, boasting that he’s destroyed “tens of thousands.” When asked where the ideal location for zombie battles is, Vandine responded “in a tunnel with one way in, one way out.” When asked to elaborate, Vandine declared that “you can see them coming and they won’t be able to surprise you.”
When asked about which is harder to kill, a fast or slow zombie, Vandine stated, “slow zombies are harder to kill but if you set up traps you don’t have to fight many of them.” Having beaten both Dead Rising (filled with slow zombies) and Left for Dead (game of fast zombies) on the Xbox, Vandine says he prefers the fun of killing the fast zombies but finds it is easier to survive the slow ones. 
In real life, neither fast nor slow zombies are good for your health. You may get your necessary exercise by running from them but eventually you will have to stop to fight. You are much better off fighting the slow zombies than the speedy ones if you are looking to outlive them. 
 
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Phil. “How Fast Can Humans Run?” Elite Feet 22 July 2008. 25 April 2010: http://www.elitefeet.com/how-fast-can-humans-run 
Shane. “Are You an Average Man?” Elite Feet 30 March 2008. 25 April 2010: http://www.elitefeet.com/are-you-an-average-man 
Hiler, Ilo. “Animal Speeds.” Texas Parks and Wildlife 16 June 2008. 25 April 2010: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/nonpwdpubs/young_naturalist/animals/animal_speeds/index.phtml 
I Am Legend. Akiva Goldsman, David Heyman, James Lassiter, Neal H. Moritz, Tracy Torme. Francis Lawrence. Will Smith, Alice Braga, Dash Mihok, Salli Richardson, Willow Smith, Charlie Tahan. DVD. Warner Bros. Pictures, 2007.
Night of the Living Dead. Karl , Russell Streiner. George A. Romero. Duane Jones, Judith O'Dea, Karl Hardman, Marilyn Eastman, Keith Wayne. Web recording. The Walter Reade Organization, 1968. 
Silver, Curtis. "Great Geek Debates: The Zombie Velocity Test." WIRED Magazine Apr 2010: Web. 15 Apr 2010. http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/04/great-geek-debates-the-zombie-velocity-test/ 
Marysmithco (talk) 05:51, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. This article is about zombies and not about survival skills during a zombie apocalypse. At such, I'm unable to add in the info provided above. BejinhanTalk  12:51, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

text: This is not a specific "Change X to Y" request, which is the purpose of , so we have cancelled that template. Others can discuss the ideas here, and with consensus, the article may be edited.  Chzz  ►  12:53, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Marysmithco, 5 May 2010 

message: Thanks to large number of films and video games, the idea of a zombie apocalypse has entered the mainstream and there have been efforts by many fans to prepare for the hypothetical future zombie apocalypse. Efforts include creating weapons [59] and selling posters to inform people on how to survive a zombie outbreak.[60]
Using the term "Thanks" makes one think that this is inevitable, correct? Just seems like it might be conflicting with some sort of Wikipedia rule. As a matter of opinion... these lines seem biased in some sort of way.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.21.192.148 (talk) 19:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's idiomatic: "thanks to" means "because of". Nitpyck (talk) 05:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible NPOV? 

message: Did you notice that some Zombies have super human characteristics, and yet at the drop of a hat, their arms will dis-members this is worth exploring in a beer meeting.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robbysturgis (talk • contribs) 01:44, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zombies' Paradox 

message: Hi!
I recently had to create a log of all of Zombie comic books for work. In doing so I noticed that the "Zombies in Comics" was a little weak. If you want to post it, here is the list I compiled of all the published Zombie comics I could find. Is there any way a new page could be created just for Zombie Comics? 
Comic (Year): Amazing Joy Buzzards (2009) 
Publisher: Image
Comic (Year): 28 Days Later: The Aftermath (2007) 
Publisher: Fox Atomic
Comic (Year): Abandoned, The: Book One (2006) 
Publisher: Tokyo Pop
Comic (Year): The Black Cherry Bombshells (2006) 
Publisher: Zuda comics, the online version of DC, can be found at
 http://www.zudacomics.com/the_black_cherry_bombshells
Comic (Year): Biohazard #1-2 (1990) 
Publisher: Omni
Comic (Year): Black Gas #1-3 of 3, Black Gas 2 #1-3 of 3 (2006-7) 
Publisher: Avatar
Comic (Year): Blackest Night Series (2009-2010) 
Publisher: DC 
Info: In response to Marvels intensely popular Marvel Zombies series, DC came out with ‘Blackest Night’ in which deceased super heroes of the DC universe come back as revenants to kill the current DC super heroes.
	   Prequel or “prelude” to Blackest Night: 
	Comic (Year): Green Lantern (vol. 4) #39–42 (May–July 2009)
	Comic (Year): Green Lantern Corps (vol. 2) #33–38 (April–August 2009)
	Comic (Year): Titans #15 (July 2009)
	Comic (Year): Solomon Grundy #7 (November 2009)
	Blackest Night: 
	Comic (Year): Blackest Night #0 (June 2009)
	Comic (Year): Green Lantern vol. 4, #43–52 (September 2009 – March 2010)
	Comic (Year): Green Lantern Corps vol. 2, #38–46 (2009 – March 2010)
	Comic (Year): Blackest Night: Tales Of the Corps #1–3 (September 2009)
	Comic (Year): Blackest Night: Batman #1–3 (October–December 2009)
	Comic (Year): Blackest Night: Superman #1–3 (October–December 2009)
	Comic (Year): Blackest Night: Titans #1–3 (October–December 2009)
	Comic (Year): Adventure Comics vol. 2, #4–5, 7 (January–February 2010)
	Comic (Year): Booster Gold vol. 2, #26–27 (January–February 2010)
	Comic (Year): Doom Patrol vol. 5, #4–5 (January–February 2010)
	Comic (Year): Justice League of America vol. 2, #39–40 (January–February 2010)
	Comic (Year): The Outsiders vol. 5, #24–25 (January–February 2010)
	Comic (Year): R.E.B.E.L.S. vol. 2 #10–11 (January–February 2010)
	Comic (Year): Superman/ Batman #66–67 (January–February 2010)
	Comic (Year): Teen Titians vol. 3, #77–78 (January–February 2010)
	Comic (Year): Blackest Night: Flash #1–3 (February–April 2010)
	Comic (Year): Blackest Night: JSA #1–3 (February–April 2010)
	Comic (Year): Blackest Night: Wonder Woman #1–3 (February–April 2010)
	Comic (Year): The Atom & Hawkman #46
	Comic (Year): Catwoman #83 (Vol.3)
	Comic (Year): Secret Six Vol.3 #17,18
	Comic (Year): Starman #81 (Vol.2)
	Comic (Year): Suicide Street #67
	Comic (Year): Weird Western Tales #71
	Comic (Year): Green Arrow and Black Canary #3
	Brightest Day:
	Info: This will be a year long comic book series that will cover the aftermath of the  		Blackest Night series
Comic (Year): Bogus Dead GN (2001) 
Publisher: Jeroman Empire
Comic (Year): Containment #1-5 (2005) 
Publisher: IDW
Comic (Year): Dawn of the Dead #1-3 (2004) 
Publisher: IDW
Comic (Year): The Rising of Bub #1 (2004) 
Publisher: Dead Dog Comics
Comic (Year): Dead Eyes Open #1-6 of 6 (2005-6) 
Publisher: Slave Labor
Comic (Year): Debbie Does Dallas (2008) 
Publisher: Terminal Press
Comic (Year): Dead In the West #1-2 (1993-4) 
Publisher: Dark Horse
Comic (Year): Dead West GN (2005) 
Publisher: Gigantic
Dead World Comic Books:
Publisher: Caliber- 1989-1997, Desperado 2007, Image 2006 	Dead World #1-9 (Arrow, 1986-1988), #10-26 (Caliber, 1989-1992) 	Dead World Vol 2 #1-15 (Caliber, 1993-1995) 	Dead World Book Two TP (Caliber, 1988) 	Dead World: Bits & Pieces one-shot (Caliber) 	Dead World Chronicles: Dire Wolves one-shot (Caliber) 	Dead World: To Kill a King #1-3 of 3 (Caliber, 1992) 	Dead World: Road Kill one-shot (Caliber, 1993) 	Dead World Chronicles: The Plague one-shot (Caliber) 	Dead World: Necropolis one-shot (Caliber, 1995) 	Dead World: Daemonstorm one-shot (Caliber, 1997) 	Dead World Vol 3 #1-6 (Image, 2005-2006) 	Dead World Vol 3 #7-current (Desperado, 2007) 	Dead World: Requiem for the World TP (Image, 2006) 	Dead World: Dead-Killer one-shot (Caliber) 	Dead World: Dead Killer TP (Image, 2006)
 Comic (Year): Eat the Dead (2007) 
Publisher: Virgin Comics
Comic (Year): Escape of the Living Dead #1-5 (2006) 
Publisher: Avatar
Comic (Year): High school of the Living Dead (2008) 
Publisher: Kadikawa Comics 
Comic (Year): I, Zombie (2010) 
Publisher:Vertigo 
Comic (Year): Land of the Dead #1-5 (2006) 
Publisher: IDW
Comic (Year): The Last Christmas (2006) 
Publisher: Image
Comic (Year): Little Gloomy: It was a Dark and Stormy Night (?) 
Publisher: Slave Labor
Comic (Year): Living with the Dead  (2007) 
Publisher: Fantagraphics
Comic (Year): The GN Living with the Dead  (2007) 
Publisher: Dark Horse
Comic (Year): Living with Zombies
Comic (Year): Living Corpse, The #0-1/2  (2007) 
Publisher: Zenescope
Marvel Zombies:
Publisher: Marvel
Info: This is a series that is still incredibly popular in pop culture. I don’t want to give too much away, but Spider-Man eats Marry Jane.  	Marvel Zombies series 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 (2005-2008) 	Marvel Zombies Return (2006-2009)
	Marvel Zonbies vs. Army of Darkness (2009) 
	Marvel Zombies: Evil Evolution (2009)
	Marvel Zombies: Dead days (2009) 
Comic (Year): Night of the Living Dead: Zombie Chronicles #1-2 (2004) 
Publisher: Dead Dog Comics
Comic (Year): Plague of the Living Dead (2007-2009) 
Publisher: Avatar
Comic (Year): Raise the Dead (2006) 
Publisher: Dynamite
Comic (Year): Realm of the Dead #1-3 (1993) 
Publisher: Caliber
Info: Crossover between Dead World and Caliber’s fantasy comic The Realm
Comic (Year): Re-Animator #1-3 (1991-1992) 
Publisher: Adventure
Comic (Year): Re-Animator: Dawn of the Re-Animator (1992) 
Publisher: Adventure
Comic (Year): Re-Animator: Tales of Herbert West one-shot (1991) 
Publisher: Malibu
Comic (Year): Remains #1-5 (2004) 
Publisher: IDW
Comic (Year): Reign of the Dead 6 (2004-5) 
Publisher: IDW
Comic (Year): Runaways: Rock Zombies  (2010) 
Publisher: Marvel- Arch in Runaways
Comic (Year): Santa Claus vs. the Zombies (2008) 
Publisher: Strange Holiday
Comic (Year): Shaun of the Dead (2006) 
Publisher: IDW
Comic (Year): Shaun of the Dead: Something About Mary (2004) 
Publisher: Rebellion
Comic (Year): Strange Killings: Necromancer #1-6 (2006) 
Publisher: Avatar
Comic (Year): Tag (?) 
Publisher: Boom! Studios
Comic (Year): Tales of the Zombie #1-9 (1973-1975) 
Publisher: Marvel 
Info: Magazine Size
Comic (Year): Toe Tags featuring George A. Romero #1-6  (2004-5) 
Publisher: DC
Comic (Year): Trailer Park of Terror #1-5 (2003) 
Publisher: Imperium
Comic (Year): The Walking Dead (2003-2007) 
Publisher: Image
Info: Very long publishing run culminating in 6 TBPs: Days Gone Bye, Miles Behind Us, Safety Behind Bars, the Heat’s Desire, The Best Defense, and This Sorrowful Life. 
Comic (Year): Walking Dead (Books One and Two) (2006-7) 
Publisher: Image
Comic (Year): Xombie: Reanimated (2006-7) 
Publisher: Image
Comic (Year): Xombie: Resurrected #1-6 (2007) 
Publisher: DDP
Comic (Year): Zombie #1-4 (2006) 
Publisher: Marvel
Comic (Year): Zombie Bomb (?) 
Publisher: ?  Comic (Year): Zombie Commandos from Hell  (1999-2004) 
Publisher: Boneyard Press/ Frightworld
Comic (Year): Zombie Highway (2004-2006) 
Publisher: Digital Webbing Press
Comic (Year): Zombie-O-Rama (?) 
Publisher: Slave Labor
Comic (Year): Zombie Proof (2008) 
Publisher: Moonstone Books
Comic (Year): Zombie Tales (2005-2006) 
Publisher: Boom! 
Info: Long publishing run culminating in the following books: Oblivion one-shot, Death Valley #1-2, and  The Dead one-shot. 
Comic (Year): Zombies! Feast (2006) 
Publisher: IDW
Comic (Year): Zombie War #1-2  and Zombie War: Earth Must Be Destroyed! #1-4 (?) 
Publisher: FantaCo 
Zombie World Series: 
Publisher: Dark Horse 
	Zombie World (1996)
	Zombie World: Championship of the Worms #1-3 (1997) 
	Home for the Holidays (one shot)
	Winter’s Dreg #1-4 of 4 Zombie World: Eat Your Heart Out one-shot (1998)
	Zombie World: Dead End #1-2 (1998)Zombie World: Tree of Death #1-4 (1999)
	Zombie World: Winter’s Dregs and Other Stories TP (2005)
Comic (Year): The Zombie Survival Guide: Recorded Attacks: Max Brooks TPB (2007)  Publisher: Three Rivers press
Comic (Year): Zombie Calling TPB (2007) 
Publisher: SLG
Manga (Year):  Zombie Loan
Manga (Year): High School of the Dead
Meganmetzger (talk) 00:18, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zombies in Comics