Talk:Dolphin-class submarine

message: The Dolphin class is not the Type 800. Type 800 is/was a 800t design, an evolution of the Type 206A. The Dolphin is an evolution of the Type 209-1300/1400. See HDW's homepage, image "Submarine Evolution". - Alureiter 21:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. The original 3 non-AIP boats are indeed slightly smaller, although their displacement is larger. the 6 AIP boats operational and on order are larger. Note the citation saying that the AIP Dolphins are the largest submarines built by Germany since World War 2. Simon Adler (talk) 02:22, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Type 800

message: * are there any sources for the claim the ships were donated?
** Here:  (in german) -- 84.165.255.114 15:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: like always: WWII or some pseudo-arguments like "German firms [[like firms in many other states] were accused of helping Iraq with its chemical weapons program" - the same reason why every half year Germany constructs new mermorials to show how bad the Germans were/are - in German this is named: "Schuldkult" 195.243.51.34 (talk) 14:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: DONATIONS?

message: All sources available to me (including usually reliable online sources such as www.naval-technology.com) indicate that the Type 212A uses an EADS-developed FL 1800U as the EW system. This is also established on the Wikipedia article on the 212A. Furthermore, the online source cited in the previous version of the Dolphin article references a 1998 Naval Forces article which is only dealing with the Dolphins. AFAIK HDW *did* incorporate Israeli Timnex 2 for the Type 214 submarines exported to Greece, so maybe that is the source of a mixup here. 82.83.196.97 12:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Israeli-German cooperation.

message: at the end of the article it says thatthere is a nuclear armed sub in the red sea. however, no one knows if they even have nuclear weapons, and the stats on these subs say nothing about missel capabilites, just torpedos. shouldnt it be changed to it being supposudly nuclear armed or such? Joesolo13 (talk) 03:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "nuclear missiles" refers to the Popeye Turbo submarine launched cruise missile wich is launched by the 633mm torpedo tubes. Patrick Rogel (talk) 20:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "nuke" sub 

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I thought this article might be of some use to improving the article. It's an interview with the captain of the Leviatan. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 05:56, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article about the Dolphins and specifically Leviatan 

message: Regardless of what the source says, Israel does not confirm that it has nuclear weapons. It's quite a bold statement to report what the Israeli Navy has "decided" to do with its nuclear weapons, when the Navy explicitly does not confirm that they exist. - Richard Cavell (talk) 01:35, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically correct, however, it is widely known in the various leading militaries of the world that there is no doubt Israel is a nuclear power, with both land and submarine launch capabilities. Citations along these lines are always debatable, but as a former USN SSBN nuclear engineering officer, the U.S. Navy tells us that Israel is indeed a nuclear-armed state. They wouldn't be wrong about that, there's just too much intelligence pointing to that fact, and I'm sure behind closed doors frank discussions along these lines have taken place between our defense officials and Israel's.  Israel cannot conduct a nuclear test, for political reasons (such a test would set the Arab world on edge), and until they did or made an official statement that they are nuclear weapon capable, to some there will always be doubt.HammerFilmFan (talk) 17:08, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nuclear weapons 

message: How exactly does an Israeli speak for German government policy? We have the story from both sides so why not cover both sides? Hcobb (talk) 16:12, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, let's cover both sides. Flayer (talk) 16:24, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel vs. Germany 

message: 200 kg or 200 kT warhead? --88.153.188.26 (talk) 18:24, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: fixed; reportedly these can have a variable one to 200 kiloton nuclear-detonation warhead, with a maximum six pounds of plutonium - if the average warhead is even 100 kilotons the damage from sixteen detonations would be catastrophic to any country in terms of casualties, infrastructure, economy, long-term medical problems ... depending on the targets. HammerFilmFan (talk) 17:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Hammerfilmfan (I really fancied Ingrid Pitt BTW :)) I dont doubt for a moment that  Israeli tech can make and deploy variable yield warheads. Its just we have no cites stating that yet, so I changed it to the more verifiable, in terms of the source given, 6kgs of plutonium. I think that would be around 200 kilotons in yield. This Israeli SLM seems to be a single warhead design, although its not impossible this mysterious weapon could be MIRVed in some way, given the strongly suspected Israeli ability in warhead minaturisation. We also have no idea whether it is actually a cruise missile of the POPEYE type or some kind of minaturised SLBM. The LORA (missile) could well be the design template for the latter. Its also very likely the missiles range has been greatly increased since the original 2001 reported test, which is ancient history given technical advances in Israeli missile tech over the past decade. 100-200 kilotons seems to be the average warhead in MIRVed ICBMs and SLBMs now, the old 1+ megaton warheads were forced on designers, due to the inherent inaccuracy of early ICBMs. Cheers Irondome (talk) 05:36, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  error? 

message: I removed the following sentence, unrelated to Dolphin-class submarines, from the article: "During the first Gulf War, it was revealed that German firms had assisted Iraq with modernizing its missile and chemical weapon programs thanks in part to lax enforcement by German customs[20], which led to protests in both Germany and Israel."  A long-time wikipedian thanked me for the deletion.   Then an anon user reverted the deletion -- with a claim that the sentence is needed to give context to the preceding and following sentences.  In my opinion, the preceding and following sentences stand strongly on their own and are generally unrelated to the sentence in question. M Carling 09:58, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This sentence was a consensus part of the article and in place for at least four years in a different sentence structure.  Without this information the surrounding sentences are without context.  Please do not continue what appears to be edit warring, while I trust you were acting with good faith instinct a double revert without discuss or consensus is bad form.Solomon(for now)109.64.148.191 (talk) 15:57, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: it appears that it was wikipedia being slow to update, there is no double delete in history but the undo-revert has not posted, apologies to Mcarling, striking my error.
Solomon(for now)109.64.148.191 (talk) 16:03, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
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message: On the page, the vessel name RAHAV is translated as "Splendour". Splendour sounds like a poor google translate. The name should not be translated. RAHAV = RAHAB, a mythical sea monster, like the other vessels Whale and Crocodile. See also Isaiah Book Chapter 51, 9: "Art thou not it that hewed Rahab in pieces, that pierced the dragon?".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Shoval (talk • contribs) 05:49, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: correct. איתן (talk) 06:30, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the RAHAV vessel