Talk:Fishing trawler

message: Image:False Creek boats.JPG shows F/V Krista Gail rigged to fish as a purse seiner, and is thus not appropriate for an entry on fishing trawlers. The area of False Creek where the photo was taken is home predominantly to seiners, trollers and gillnetters... 24.84.44.248 (talk) 03:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Trawler image

message: Seems that "Cruising Trawler" should be changed to "Recreational Trawler." It is a better description. Not all trawler owners "cruise," which has a long-term connotation (several weeks or more). Many -- probably most -- owners just make day trips or weekend trips. 
There are a few changes I would suggest on the Cruising Trawler page, but I will list them there.
If anyone has any thoughts, please speak up.
TheMadMariner 23:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cruising Trawler

message: There is a proposal to merge Recreational trawler with Commercial trawler. I oppose this merge on the grounds that they are chalk and cheese. A commercial trawler is an industrial boat falling under categories such as the fishing industry and fishing vessels. A recreational trawler is a recreational boat falling under categories such as recreation and boats. The two articles fall into entirely different interest areas. --Geronimo20 (talk) 06:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merge

message: For what it's worth:
*The issue is less about WP:SS as it is about the relevance of the recreational and naval subsections to the specific topic of this article. As this is an article on commercial trawlers and not trawlers in general, there is no need for short summaries of other trawler types. It is sufficient that articles on other trawler types are mentioned in the "See Also".
*That said, the sentence "During World War I and World War II, many commercial trawlers were used as minesweepers, the activities being similar, and both the crew and the equipment aboard already suited to the task." may have a place here as it specifically relates to an adaption of commercial trawlers (the subject of this article) rather than a vessel designed for another purpose. It would be good if there was a reference for this statement which could be included as well. 
*Although it is not the subject of the Third Opinion request, I don't think the image gallery adds much - I agree with Geronimo that the pictures are too low-res and generalised. 
in summary - I'd support leaving the recreational and naval subsections out except the single sentence referred to above. Naval and recreational trawlers should be linked in "See Also", and a hunt commenced for better images. Euryalus (talk) 04:17, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: *I have restored section ===Design features=== and added the  template so that someone can expand it. Surely there is much about trawler design that can be added there.
*I have restored sectios ===Images===; those images are better than no images. They are not "low-res": to see the full 1,600 × 1,200 pixel images, right click on the thumbnails and follow instructions. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine by me. I didn't have a view on the Design features section, and the images don't bother me that much - I just think there must be others out there that more clearly demonstrate the salient points. I don't have any of my own, otherwise I'd add them myself. Euryalus (talk) 07:00, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion continued

message: Having had a chance to read the article in more detail I have copyedited the "Design features" section to:
* add some references, particularly for the absence of uniformity in survey standards and therefore its absence in design. More refs are needed - its hard to definitively source a negative (ie that there is an absence of a standard). I'll hunt through the class societies pages and see what I can find for small commercial trawlers, but if anyone else has anything to add, go right ahead.
* remove a small quantity of existing material which was common to all vessels. There is no need to highlight that a trawler's bow is higher than the stern to prevent swamping - this is a design feature in pretty much all vessels other than rafts. I left the discussion of oilskins and boilers, but I'm not sure this is a unique feature of trawlers either and would be interested to hear why this is relevant. A source for the quote would also be good, to avoid the appearance of original research.
*include some common design features such as the stern trawl which is present in msot modern trawler fleets. Obviously no set of design features will be universal - there are hundreds of thousands of commercial trawlers worldwide and the design standards of (say) the US fleet won't be the same as (say) Nigeria's. Still, if the section is going to be useful it needs to start with the features most likely to be found on modern fleets. If there are regional variations or whatever, these can easily be added in.
As always, any disagreements or opposing views are welcome - am happy to discuss here at length and see if a consensus can be reached on the way the section (ro article) should appear. Euryalus (talk) 23:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Design features

message: This article do probably need a section addressing the major environmental damage that trawler fishing causes   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.89.255.216 (talk) 21:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Environmental issues to do with trawling are covered in some detail in the article on trawling and particularly in the article on bottom trawling. --Epipelagic (talk) 23:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Can there be a link to that article? I found 'trawlers' by mistake while looking for 'trawling' and didn't realize it's controversial.80.42.48.64 (talk) 08:17, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Trawler controversies

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