Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Schools/Archive 8

message: I've been working on the Lavalla Catholic College article, I've added an infobox, and rated the articles, now, I'd like some help finding sources. If anyone can give me a hand, please do so. I'd like to get this article to a better standard, as I feel the Latrobe Valley needs better coverage on wikipedia.ClEeFy 00:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lavalla Catholic College

message: I have searched Google and added one reference. Use the name of the college in quotes and add important words like Biography or attended. Do not forget Google Books and asking the school / local librarian. Victuallers 19:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ref

message: Hi,
I'm attempting to coordinate the creation of a child project of WikiProject:Education.  I've visited several projects in related topic areas, and most of them seem to have very low activity.  This group seems to have much more participation.  
I'm hoping to find someone who can give me some guidance in creating and coordinating Wikiprojects.  I'm  not looking for someone to hold my hand, just someone to point me in the right direction and who would be willing to answer questions.
Thanks in advance,
Rosmoran 01:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seeking guidance on organizing "child" Wikiproject  

message: No one seems to have replied here. (I'm surprised) Rosmoran .... wikiprojects like this one appear to magically run themselves. The main thing is to make sure that there are three or four people who are looking over each others work (mostly clapping) but also assisting. If you look at who is posting on this page and ask them a question then I think you will get a reasonable reply. Common sense is surprisingly common. I have noticed that "Education" is very lonely. I suspect 90% of the education work is happening here although the Education articles are more academic. Hope this helps. Be bold... if not ask. 19:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply

message: The current article, Mountain Ridge High School, covers a school slated to open this August.  A Google search of the name "Mountain Ridge High School"  brings up 14,400 entries with the first to reference the Frostburg, Maryland school the Wikipedia article (the one immediately following is the school's webpage).  "Mountain Ridge High School" AZ  brings up 12,200 articles and "Mountain Ridge High School" MD  brings up 700.  The naming conventions at WP:NC(S) state that in the case of two schools with the same name, they should be linked with hatnotes.  The case they give is the New English School, where the Kuwait school is apparently given precedence.
I'm not familiar with the work that's done on school-related articles here, but I thought this is something that might warrant some attention.  Because I'm not sure on what actions should be taken here, I'm really leaving it up to the editors who are used to working in this WikiProject.  In case it helps, I've created a list of possible options:
* The page stays as is.  Until the article for the Arizona school is created, there's no reason to do anything yet.
* Mountain Ridge High School refers to the Frostburg, Maryland school because the page, as of now, has more content, though it may be less notable; the page has a hatlink to Mountain Ridge High School (Glendale, Arizona) so future editors can create the article.
* Mountain Ridge High School refers to the Frostburg, Maryland School; the article for the Arizona school is created but until it has more content than the Maryland school, the former is listed at the Mountain Ridge High School article.
* Mountain Ridge High School refers to the Glendale, Arizona school because it appears to be the more notable school, though the article may have significantly less content than the current article; the page has a hatlink to Mountain Ridge High School (Frostburg, Maryland).
Hope this helps somewhat.  Thanks. -Nameneko 01:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is still under a bit of debate but I would suggest that each school should be disambiguated and the page should be a disambiguation page. Otherwise you need to show that one of them is known globally where the other is not. Neither article should be located at Mountain Ridge High School. Adam McCormick 02:24, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So should the current Mountain Ridge High School article be moved to Mountain Ridge High School (Frostburg, Maryland), a disambiguation page be created at Mountain Ridge High School, and (at least for now) no article be created at Mountain Ridge High School (Glendale, Arizona) (but a link left on the disambiguation page)? -Nameneko 04:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, exactly as you say.  N.B. the current WP:NC(S) guidelines are under construction.  chgallen 14:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Also, there is a proposed merger of Mountain Ridge High School (Frostburg, Maryland) with the articles of the two schools that were consolidated to form this new one.  The discussion page can be found here. -Nameneko 18:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mountain Ridge High School]] 

message: I recently created a page for List of school districts in Tulare County, California, and began working on filling in the holes, starting with Visalia Unified School District and the schools in that district. 
I've done a lot, including revamping a high school page and creating a number of the elementary school pages. But, since this is meant as a reference tool and not a directory, I'm wondering if I should continue. Are elementary school details considered relevant enough to be listed, or should I just keep it as a district list and move on to something else? Thanks! Erinhayden 08:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In most cases, elementary schools are not usually considerred notable enough for inclusion where high school articles with any information at all are almost always considerred notable enough. Other than that it's a crap shoot. One option is to create the list of schools as redlinks then others can create the pages (as mass-stubbing is somewhat discouraged) Adam McCormick 17:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Thanks! Erinhayden 20:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Elementary schools should not be linked unless they are notable.  Otherwise it's a trip to AfD where they are likely to be deleted unless they are notable and not a directory listing.  Vegaswikian 21:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New school district information. How much is too much?

message: This is a school started by British Viceroy during British Rule for Indian Princes, has sine grown into one of the most prestigious public/boarding school from the region and has currently a Girls Wing too: Mayo College Girls School.
Articles needs help, kindly assist when you all can.
Thanks
Atulsnischal 09:12, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mayo College]], Ajmer, India 

message: Someone has nominated Melbourn Village College for deletion. Could someone confirm that large secondary schools AR<script type="text/javascript" src="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AzaToth/morebits.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:VoABot/adminlist.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:VoABot/botlist.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Voice_of_All/JS/count.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Voice of All/Dates.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>E considered notable enough? Thanks.  Tiddly Tom  22:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks :) I dident write most of the article, not think it is a great article, but I think it should be kept :(  Tiddly Tom  22:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for your edits :)  Tiddly Tom  22:26, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help! 

message: Someone has been vandalising many school articles by changing names etc. Have a look at . Not sure how to fix them due to the way they been vandalised. Boylo 04:56, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: Thanks for the heads up.  It looks like multiple editors have corrected every edit made by  and a temporary block of 24 hours has been given. If Jgoertsis does further damage after the block, I recommend giving another warning and listing the username at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. --Jh12 22:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: * hello WP Schools. i don't believe that the CCF section of one given school merits a big list of its past commanders in the school's article. it is too narrowly focussed, an "indiscriminate collection of information" in contravention to WP:NOT, and the people written about are completely non-notable and non-encyclopedic in wikipedia terms. However, an enthusiastic old boy seems to be disagreeing with me and repeatedly re-adding this trivia. i pointed out that if you kept this, you might as well have a big list of former head boys. He agreed with me, saying i was "proving [his] point" and that this would indeed be a good idea, rather than just an insidious case of crap-creep. Would members of the project please have a look at the page and see what you think? thank-you. tomasz. 13:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My comments on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cheshire in response to your copy of the above message may be of some use.  DDStretch  (talk) 14:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The recent page history is dominated by reverting - if WP:3RR has not been broken it was close doing so. I am glad it appears that the reverting has stopped for now in favour of discussing it. The section been disputed does look at little trivial and dominates the article - and as already mentioned it is completely unreferenced. I would say cut it down to a summary for now. Camaron1 | Chris 15:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  request for help @ [[The King's School, Chester]] 

message: Hi, just noticed that the Shenley Brook End School page has been vandalised, i think by 89.242.84.177, noticed it today. Didnt know whether to report it so thought here would be my best choice. (Neostinker 14:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted the edit. Tafkam 15:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I gave the user a warning. You do not, typacly, report the user until they have been through all 4 levels of warning, unless it is a serious offense. Thanks for the heads up,  Tiddly Tom  17:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism...Again

message: Is there consensus to remove the "Controversy" section from Palmer Trinity School. Appears to be all OR. Cool Bluetalk to me 23:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some general consensus to delete this kind of section along with slang. If the events are particularly notable they may be placed in the History section. Adam McCormick 03:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palmer Trinity School 

message: Are there any template experts out there who could help provide a nice shiny template for the Gloucestershire Schools? See :Category:Schools in Gloucestershire. I can help fill in details once it's up and running. The categorisation of these schools is in itself in something of a mess. Lots of the schools are lacking infoboxes. A template linking all the schools together might encourage some mutual co-operation as has happened with the Berkshire schools which are all now looking very good. Dahliarose 20:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm reading this right then you just want a navbox? I've put a meager version together at User:Dahliarose/Schools_in_Gloucestershire which won't work right as is (needs to be moved to template namespace) but gives the basic format. It's not too complicated so it should be easy to fill in. Let me know if you need something more substantial. Adam McCormick 03:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Adam. It's now up and running. I've moved the page to Template:Schools in Gloucestershire‎ and added the template to all the Gloucestershire schools. Hope I've done it right. I hope it might inspire some action. I've followed the format of the Berkshire template and not included links to the categories. Dahliarose 13:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On this matter, is there now agreement to include primaries? Or not to? Or is that a local decision by authority? Or still open to discussion? Tafkam 13:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is still some active discussion on that front, but if the school already has an article, I think it should be included. Adam McCormick 20:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Template assistance

message: Is it possible that we incorporate some of the regional school infoboxes with school uniforms in?
Just an raw idea =D. Example would be this ... Template: Football kit
The Toad 01:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  School Uniforms? 

message: I've now added a list of top importance school articles to the main project page to answer the above criticisms. Ratings are not set in stone and can be challenged or reviewed at any time. Requests should be posted on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Assessment page. Notifications of potential top importance school articles would be most welcome, especially from countries not yet represented in the list, to ensure that we have a global balance. Dahliarose 11:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Top importance school articles

message: I am after some discussion here regarding these templates, i think they should all go, the user who posted them to mainpage was of little assistance. If i cannot get any sort of reason for notability, i will take them to TfD. 
* Template:La Martiniere Founder
* Template:La Martiniere Coat of Arms
* Template:La Martiniere Prayer
I just think that they are all cruft, especially the prayer (song is more notable than the prayer). The coat of arms is the only one that MIGHT be a bit different on - i think it should be deleted as cruft, its basically all speculation into meanings and all that. The founder thing is completely useless, this man did different things for each school, so why have the same template - it defies logic. Twenty Years 15:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not quite sure why you are raising the issue of these templates here. These templates form part of a series of articles on prestigious schools in India and France and the line-by-line content of articles is really a matter for discussion on the individual articles' talk pages. On more general policy issues, if a multi-millionaire has left a substantial legacy to found a number of schools then it is essential to have sections in the articles on all the schools he founded as a matter of top priority. These sections need expansion and referencing, but can by no means be classified as 'cruft'. I don't believe the topic of school coats of arms has come up before. Heraldry is a complicated subject and I would have thought that sections in school articles explaining the meaning behind the heraldic devices is of legitimate encylopaedic interest. I don't think school prayers have been discussed before, though the topics of school songs has been raised many times. Songs and prayers are usually of little interest, but their inclusion can sometimes be editorially justified, provided they are out of copyright. They're much better dealt with, as in this case, in boxes which are not part of the text so that they are less intrusive and more like an illustration. Dahliarose 22:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The prayer is a no-hoper, i wont give up a TfD on that one. The others possibly. But wouldnt his role at each of the schools be different or were they all founded after his death/as a result of? The coat of arms is a somewhat lost cause, too. Twenty Years 14:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  La Martiniere Templates 

message: 'How to Search for (1) "Latest" and (2) "Archived" ""NEWS & FEATURE ARTICLES" on "Schools / anything" from top newspapers and magazines, also as well how to search for relevant Blog Postings many of which contain local "Print News Articles" not available online - EXAMPLE Mayo College (Plrease help with improving the article on Mayo College, thanks)
As we all know in addition to referring to the main official website if we can research as many news and feature articles from top newspapers and magazines on each subject (article on wikipedia) and highlight top points in our own words or by "quoting" by properly referencing all such research, it improves the wikipedia article many folds and makes it much more credible along with providing many excellent independent unbiased reference links to readers. 
* In the following "News Search pages" you could search by trying different keywords for the same subject, and also change the subject to any other you are currently working on. Please be beware many of the search results will not be relevant. Please also note at the bottom or in the left margin of each "search result page" you will see links to additional related "search and alert services" being offered by these companies (Yahoo, Google etc.), all for free. Also note current news searches for current times may come up blank if there has been no current news or feature article written in the last few months, look in Google News ARCHIVES in that case: 
1) "Google News Search" for Mayo College: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Mayo+College%22&btnG=Search
2) "Google ARCHIVES News Search", including news from last year and before, has further links in the left margin to break up archived news by year and by publication, for news on Mayo College: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Mayo+College%22
3) "Google "Blog Postings" search for Mayo College: http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&client=news&q=%22Mayo+College%22&ie=UTF8
4) "Yahoo News Search" for news on Mayo College: http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search;_ylt=A0WTTks7YtxGMgcB1xWy87UF;_ylu=X3oDMTBhNjRqazhxBHNlYwNzZWFyY2g-?fr=sfp&ei=UTF-8&p=%22Mayo+College%22
* In addition to above you can also make "As-It-Happens News Alerts" for articles that interest you and you will like to work on and want to keep abreast with. The news alert service provided by Google and Yahoo sends you latest news as it happens to your email inbox:
1) Set up Google News Alert at: http://www.google.com/alerts
2) Set up Yahoo News Alert at (for this you will have to sign in with your Yahoo Email ID first): http://alerts.yahoo.com/main.php?view=create_news_step1
I learnt about the above services in the last year while looking for news on Asiatic Lion and Asiatic Cheetah two subjects that interest me.
Hope this information will be useful to all, thanks
Atulsnischal 19:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You may want to look at www.webcitation.org to archive permanent versions of articles that will be removed from free online public viewing after they've been available for a certain time period. --Hebisddave 14:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Searching for sources''' 

message: Note: Please read this full section after pressing Edit above, read in the Edit Box after pressing edit for it to make sense.
Please note that the full references have to be put between  and  in the main text in the article right next to the subject line, the reference automatically appears in a numerical order in the “Cited references” section, here are two examples taken from the Miscellaneous section of the List Mayoites, you have to make the “Cited references” section though, see below on how to after pressing edit above:
(Please ignore Reference Number 1 in Cited reference section below, when you press edit (above in the heading next to "Suggestion on how to format References...") to see the formula you will know why)
* Jiggs Kalra: Celebrity ChefJiggs Kalra Interview in The Hindu
* Raghavendra Rathore – famous Fashion Designer from India Raghavendra Rathore - Fashion, Indianetzone.com  For the designer in you – The Hindu, India's National Newspaper dated Apr 07, 2006  Royal rendezvous - Raghavendra Rathore talks of the corporatisation of fashion with Mini ANTHIKAD-CHHIBBER - The Hindu, India's National Newspaper dated Oct 25, 2005
===Cited references===
Note: Now you can go back from the edit box (presuming you had pressed Edit and are reading this in the edit box on wikipedia) to previous page by pressing the back button on your internet browser, do not save your edit here as you had initially pressed Edit on my suggestion to read the formula above on how to format references.
Hope above will be useful, thanks
Atulsnischal 00:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might have been able to just link to WP:FN, but no matter. :)  I would note that while skimming Featured Article Candidate reviews, I've seen it requested that refs like example ref1example ref2example ref3 be consolidated into one example ref1example ref2example ref3 with line breaks if none of the initial set are also used anywhere else. --Hebisddave 15:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion on how to format References properly in Wikipedia (press the Edit button to see the formula)

message: Note: Now you can go back from the edit box (presuming you had pressed Edit and are reading this in the edit box on wikipedia) to previous page by pressing the back button on your internet browser, do not save your edit here as you had initially pressed Edit on my suggestion to read the formula above on how to format references.
Hope above will be useful, thanks
Atulsnischal 00:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might have been able to just link to WP:FN, but no matter. :)  I would note that while skimming Featured Article Candidate reviews, I've seen it requested that refs like example ref1example ref2example ref3 be consolidated into one example ref1example ref2example ref3 with line breaks if none of the initial set are also used anywhere else. --Hebisddave 15:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cited references

message: * User talk:Ydalal has uploaded an excellent image of Mayo College main building: "Image:Mayo Main Bldg.jpg" but has given no source or licensing data hence the image will soon be deleted, experienced image uploaders are kindly requested to assist User talk:Ydalal to provide source and licensing data as required. It will be nice if this image can be retained in Mayo College article on wikipedia. Kindly assist the user if possible by leaving him a note on his talk page.
I am myself not so experienced but have attempted to leave him a note on his talk page.
* Kindly check other images on this article if you get time too if they have correct source and licensing info and relevant tags.
Thanks Atulsnischal 00:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I will try to assist you on your talk page. --Jh12 14:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assist with image licensing 

message: We can refer to several sources then write it in our own words and sentences and acknowledge the original references in the reference section, if we dont do so and copy and paste text from other websites, other users of Wikipedia will come and delete all copied text and the articled will be stripped down to a few lines at best.
Please also see WP:Copyright, Wikipedia:Citing sources, Wikipedia:Manual of Style, etc that may apply.
Wikipedia guidlines on Using copyrighted work from others::
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyright#Using_copyrighted_work_from_others (from WP:Copyright).
Was referring to recent edits and stripping of Mayo College article on copyright arguments.
Mayo College article was stripped down from this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mayo_College&oldid=156160948 
To this raising copyright concerns:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mayo_College&oldid=156219045 
Most of the first version above can still be rewritten in ones own words to remove copyright concerns.
Same is true for improving the Mayo College related article on Mayo College Girls School
Thanks Atulsnischal 07:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing of Copyright text from Wikipedia articles by other users:

message: A question for the group: the titles of a number of the list articles that are within the scope of this project contain the word "notable."  This appears to be counter to established WP guidelines, such as Wikipedia:Naming conventions: Lists, which says "Convention: Put a list of Xs as list of Xs, rather than Xs, famous Xs, listing of important Xs, list of noted Xs, list of all Xs, etc.," and Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists), which has similar language - I am making the assumption that "notable" is so similar to "noted" as to fall under the etc. above, and therefore should be avoided in the article name. I have been bold and have moved a few of the articles within the scope of this project to what I believe is the more appropriate name (i.e. without the "notable"), but before I went further I wanted to read the thoughts of the project.  Thoughts?  UnitedStatesian 14:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Carry on - 'notable' is generally redundant. -- roundhouse0 15:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked UnitedStatesian to start this discussion (here) when he began to insist on such changes. As someone who works on these lists, I find there is a real problem with them in that most 'alumni' are not notable, and users are inclined to clutter the lists up with red links to non-notable people who will never have an article. So, while (as the guidance and convention say) it isn't necessary to include 'notable' in the title, it's useful, to remind everyone that these are not all-embracing lists. Somehow, despite the convention, about two-thirds of the lists do include 'notable', which I find helpful. Until earlier today, WikiProject Schools:Separate alumni pages said "It is not necessary to include "notable" in the article title... "notable" in the title is redundant." The guidance then gave a link to List of notable Old Gowers, without adverse comment on it. In asking UnitedStatesian for this discussion, I pointed that out to him, and I see that shortly before starting this thread he moved List of notable Old Gowers to List of Old Gowers and amended the guidance. I have to say I'm really not happy about that approach. Xn4 15:39, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I apologize for offending with a bad process; again, I was being bold (and you are welcome to revert, of course) in correcting what I thought was an obvious contradiction - I changed the article link, not the text of the quideline.  To the substance, I think editors are able to keep red links off of list articles without going against established guidelines in titling the articles - they use the article text, commented text, and/or the list article's talk page, and put the list article on their watchlist.  Look at List of Sun Microsystems employees: without "notable" in the title there are no red links (and I could give many many other examples if people find them helpful).  The two-thirds proportion that Xn4 quotes refers to the alumni lists (many of which very recently created), which is a small subset of list articles; outside of the schools project "notable" is much, much less frequently used.  UnitedStatesian 15:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I was referring to lists in the :Category:Lists of people by school affiliation. Xn4 16:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  I also would not use the word "insist" to characterize my request; I can certainly make all the moves myself, and I was just looking for help.  UnitedStatesian 16:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am of the opinion that the word "notable" is redundant and should be removed, I think that a notice at the top page would be just as effective and linking to the page without the word notable is easier and cleaner. Adam McCormick 16:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: UnitedStatesian is merely applying the conventions. If there are non-notable unsourced persons in alumni lists then they can be challenged with  or boldly removed. (It can be quite difficult to establish which school a notable person attended as their CV often starts with University. Note for instance that Thomas Adès is in List of Old Gowers but his school is not mentioned anywhere in his article; and so  could be added. There is also :Category:Old Gowers which is much shorter.) -- roundhouse0 17:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the beginning of that, Roundhouse0, but a convention isn't a directive, and most editors who have created these partial lists have wanted to define their lists in the titles to make that clear. The strongest argument so far put forward against that point of view is on the lines of "These are the rules". A convention isn't a rule. This convention is obviously correct when the list aims to be complete (such as List of Presidents of the United States), but it seems to me to have much less merit when it comes to potentially long lists which need to be restricted. If the convention is to be treated as holy writ, then perhaps it needs to be discussed elsewhere. Xn4 00:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Your comment "It can be quite difficult to establish which school a notable person attended..." is less true in the UK than in most countries. Here, both schools and universities are usually included in most sound biographies, including entries in Who's Who, the Dictionary of National Biography, and the obituaries in the broadsheet newspapers. There are also published registers for many notable schools. Xn4 00:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  Xn4, should we raise this question to a broader forum (if so, I suggest Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists), or are you comfortable with my proceeding with the article moves given how the process has gone here over the last three days?  UnitedStatesian 19:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (or Wikipedia talk:Lists (stand-alone lists)). -- roundhouse0 20:21, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think there are some wider questions. If the matter is taken on to another page, then would you please add a link to that here, UnitedStatesian ? Thank you, Xn4 21:03, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions for lists