Talk:Bishop of St Davids

message: Cleaned up list per above, particularly given the self-contradictory nature of the earlier dating and the general agreement of the Fasti w/the diocese's own list.
So, pending more detailed cite and explanation for their non-inclusion in the two more authoritative sources, removed these two to here:
|align=center| ||align=center|unknown ||Sulhidyr ||Also known as Hubert
|align=center|unknown ||align=center|978 ||Ivor ||</br>
 — LlywelynII 23:01, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: This is not a major issue, since as far as I know this list has been compiled for us and is not published anywhere too important (e.g., the Church in Wales site doesn't seem to use one anywhere and UniLondon only goes back to 1066). However, Nobis/Novus/Nyfys doesn't seem to have existed; instead, it was a "well-born" guy named Einion (ByT) that the AC scribes got confused about. This is not Henry's fault in the least: Gerald of Wales includes "Novis" on his list and some scholars seem to as well. The best evidence is his "relative" Asser talking about "[http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/john-asser/assers-life-of-king-alfred-ala/page-4-assers-life-of-king-alfred-ala.shtml Archbishop Nobis"... but in a passage that readily admits a reading of "Our Archbishop" as well.
At the very least, we need to mention the issue [done] and find a place for the ByT's Einion here [how firm is the dating concerning the end of "Nobis"'s "reign"?]. Better still if (a) there's evidence of Asser's family that has a prominent Einion lying around or (b) some form of Nyfys is attested in land documents or elsewhere where it's unquestionably a name and we could wrap it up. [Bishop Einion almost lost to history by comfused later readers of Asser's life; or Bishop Nobis followed by Bishop Einion before 871; or firm dates and evidence for Bishop Nobis and we can assume the ByT has erred.] — LlywelynII 13:07, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Nobis (bishop)]]

message: I've aimed to avoid Wiki OR problems by stating very firmly he's traditionally credited and allowing the texts to speak for themselves. However, as far as concluding one way or the other, I can't because I can't find another source talking about this problem. Bad for Wiki but interesting for me:  Whether this turns out pro- or anti-Nobis, anyone able to walk me through publishing a monograph? ^_^ — LlywelynII 13:07, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
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