Talk:Andrew Fisher

message: Hello,
I've now completed the good article review of this article and determined that it meets all of the Good Article Criteria, and as such I am passing it.
It is well written, well referenced, and you've clearly taken on board the comments in your peer review with regards to this. All images are used correctly in line with Wikipedia policy. The article is stable and written from a Neutral Point of View. I'm particularly happy that this article can be promoted - it's an important subject in Australia's history and the editors of this article should be proud.
Congratulations, and keep up the good work. Pursey Talk | Contribs 10:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks!! Timeshift 10:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article Candidate Review 

message: I made a series of edits on 8 October, which were reverted wholesale by Timeshift with some odd accusation of “pushing my agenda”.  My edits included changing the spelling of "Labour" to "Labor" - I acknowledge I was wrong on that score.  But that still leaves the other edits.  I’d like to explain these here for general discussion, with a view to having them reinserted.  All comments are welcome.
(a) I changed "When Watson retired in 1907" to "When Watson resigned in 1907", because he did in fact resign the leadership, mainly due to concerns over his wife's health.  
(b) I changed "Governor General Dudley" to "the Governor-General Lord Dudley".  We don’t refer to our G-G’s as "Governor General Smith", and even if we did, the title "Governor-General" requires a hyphen in Australian usage (see Governor-General of Australia).
(c) "Fisher carried out many reforms in defence, constitutional matters, finance, transport and communications, and social security, achieving the vast majority of his aims in his first government, including such specifics as establishing old-age and invalid pensions, a maternity allowance and workers compensation, issuing Australia's first paper currency, forming the Royal Australian Navy, the commencement of construction for the Trans-Australian Railway, founding Canberra and establishing the government-owned Commonwealth Bank".
::This is an exceedingly long and unwieldy sentence.  I split it by "... in his first government.  These included ...".
(d) "Fisher wanted additional Commonwealth power in additional areas."  
::I changed the second “additional” to “some”.
(e) "Both were defeated with 61 percent voting 'No'. An additional six questions were asked at the 1913 referendum, on Trade and Commerce, Corporations, Industrial Matters, Trusts, Monopolies, and Railway Disputes. All six were defeated with around 51 percent voting 'No'".
::Both times the expression “per cent” was misspelled as “percent”, so I changed it.
(f) "At the 1910 election, Labor gained seventeen additional seats to hold a total of forty-three of the seventy-five House of Representative seats, and all eighteen Senate seats up for election to hold a total of twenty-two out of thirty-six seats, giving Fisher control of both Houses and formed Australia's first majority government, and the world's first Labour Party majority government."  
::I changed this to: "At the 1910 election, Labor gained seventeen additional seats to hold a total of forty-three of the seventy-five House of Representative seats, and all eighteen Senate seats up for election to hold a total of twenty-two out of thirty-six seats. This gave Labour control of both Houses and enabled Fisher to form Australia's first majority government, and the world's first Labour Party majority government".   My reasons were:
::*the original sentence was far too long and unwieldy
::*it wasn’t Fisher who gained control of both houses, but the Labour Party government that he led
::*the phrase " ... giving Fisher control of both Houses and formed Australia's first majority government ..." is ungrammatical.
(g) "... engineered a double dissolution election in an attempt to gain control of both Houses".  
::I changed this to " ... recommended to the new Governor-General Sir Ronald Munro-Ferguson that both houses of the parliament be dissolved and elections called - this was Australia's first double dissolution election, and the only one until the 1951 election".  My reasons were: 
::* “engineer a double dissolution” might be found in a source, but it’s an inappropriate expression.  A double dissolution can only occur if the opposition twice blocks legislation in the Senate.  Then the Prime Minister can ask the G-G for a double dissolution.  But the G-G does not have to agree, and there are precedents for him not agreeing (see Chris Watson).  So, for a PM to “engineer” a double dissolution, he has to have not only the opposition on side (a contradiction in terms), but also the surety that the G-G will accede to his request (and there is no such surety).
::* The fact that it was no longer Lord Dudley but Munro-Ferguson in the vice-regal chair is worth mentioning. 
::* The fact that it was the historic first double dissolution (and the only one until 1951) is well worth mentioning.	
(h) I removed the reference to Keith Murdoch being the father of Rupert Murdoch.   Rupert wasn’t even born till 1931 and is completely irrelevant to this article.  If anyone clicks on Keith Murdoch’s link, they’ll discover he was Rupert’s father.  That’s what links are for.
(j) France did not "award" Fisher the Legion d’Honneur.  They wanted to, and sounded him out, but he declined the honour.  No award was ever made.
Over.  --  JackofOz 02:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now made most of the above edits, plus a new one about the suburb of Fisher, ACT.  --  JackofOz 10:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: 10 points to anyone who can guess the issue especially on this PM page? Timeshift (talk) 14:01, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constituency in infobox 

message: "the first time the Labour Party had controlled any house of a legislature; and the first time it controlled both houses of a bicameral legislature"
What does this mean exactly? A Labour Party or the ALP? Any house being state+federal or overseas? SA elected an ALP majority lower house on 2 April 1910, 11 days before the 1910 election. Timeshift (talk) 11:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

message: Does anyone know why the image has disappeared? Timeshift (talk) 10:20, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  File:StateLibQld 1 100112.jpg - young Fisher in article 

message: This article has too many images for the amount of text and messes up the layout. Would anyone care to invest a bit of time fixing it up, one way or another? Timeshift (talk) 13:01, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I'm a bit dubious about finding a claim that Fisher was Georgist in the first sentence of the lede, when it is not mentioned elsewhere in the article. Certainly it's not an alternative to the previous word "Australian". Did he declare himself to be a Georgist or is the citation provided stating that his views were compatible with Georgist or what? An quick online scan doesn't show the term Georgist being used for him during his lifetime but only recently. I think before putting Georgist in the lede, there needs to be some content elsewhere in the article that discusses the matter more fully in relation to policies he espoused or implemented. Kerry (talk) 23:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andrew Fisher a Georgist? 

message: I have deleted the following as inaccurate:
:Fisher's first government also saw the passage of the Seamen's Compensation Act, which provided payment of compensation for seamen engaged upon Australian registered ships wherever trading, and (in certain cases) upon British and foreign ships engaged in the coasting trade who were killed or injured in the course of their occupation.
The bill was introduced into the Senate on 21 July 1909 by the 3rd Deakin government by the Commonwealth Liberal Party- see 
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thread_title:  Seamen's Compensation Act 

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