Talk:Ireland

message: Why is there a green head in the first image? Located south of Kintyre and Arran in Scotland, top-right. DankJae 23:27, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. My. God!!! Has that really been like that for 10 years?!?!?!? I don't see any edits to the file in that time. Canterbury Tail talk 23:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I put it back to the proper version of that file. It looks like it was vandalised here and no one noticed. Canterbury Tail talk 23:51, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Canterbury Tail, No it was recent, per that edit (probabaly good faith tho), thanks, weirded me out when I noticed that there shouldn't be an island there. DankJae 00:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the image itself that has been on Wikipedia/Commons for 10+ years. It's just odd that the editor in question replaced it on multiple articles, and on multiple wikis. Canterbury Tail talk 11:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah right. DankJae 14:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Nominated the silly version for deletion. The Banner talk 16:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: And it's gone already.  Scolaire (talk) 16:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Head on island image 

message: The current Etymology section appears to describe a folk etymology, or at the very least a less popular proposal than the mainstream one, which is that the name of Ireland descends from the Proto-Celtic *ɸīweriyū (meaning "fat/fertile/arable earth"), which is also the origin of the Graeco-Roman "Hibernia", still used as a poetic name for Ireland. I accordingly tried to correct the etymology section, even acommodating the possibility that the name of the goddess Ériu influenced the name of the island, even though all evidence points to it having been the other way around, but my edits were instead reverted under "original research" despite me using reputable dictionaries. The etymology I put forward is the mainstream one and is even cited on the Éire page, so I think this was just a reflexive revert to prevent vandalism, which I completely understand, but still, we should probably change the Etymology section. Pescavelho (talk) 21:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: In my view, dictionaries are not good enough sources for etymology. Do you have other sources that back up your claims? The Banner talk 22:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Dictionaries are tertiary sources, but so are encyclopedias, such as the one cited as the (only) source in the current etymology section. As long as these aforementioned dictionaries cite their sources I don't see the issue. What would you consider "good enough sources for etymology", if not dictionaries, which admitedly, are prone to mistakes and folk etymologies as well? Linguistics papers? Several of those will back the etymology I've provided and I can cite them. Pescavelho (talk) 12:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

text: You cite two rather obscure sources (Stüber, Karin, The Historical Morphology of n-Stems in Celtic, and Zair, Nicholas, The reflexes of the Proto-Indo-European laryngeals in Celtic) to support your argument; these could hardly be described as "the mainstream". Can you cite something a little more authoritative that corroborates these two, and in particular, that shows that scholarly consensus is that the Ériu origin is plain wrong? The most recent thing you've read is not necessarily the new truth.  Scolaire (talk) 11:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: As aforementioned, the Éire page already mentions this etymology, and includes three sources: Koch, John T., Celtic Culture: A Historical Encyclopedia; Mallory, J.P. and D.Q. Adams, ed. Encyclopedia of Indo-European Culture; and an archive of the University of Wales' Proto-Celtic Lexicon.  I'll flip this question back onto you. Are there any good sources that describe the origin of the island's name coming from the name for the goddess and not the other way around? The current source on this page is from The Encyclopedia of Medieval Literature in Britain, which is a tertiary source. One of the sources said encyclopedia cites, Isaac, G.R. A Note on the Name of Ireland in Irish and Welsh, mentions the etymology I've provided, and while the author then goes on to (not conclusively) suggest it is more likely it comes from a different Proto-Celtic toponym, indeed ultimately derived from PIE *h2uer, it makes no mention of the name of the island being derived from the name of the goddess; in the page for the republic of Ireland, a tourism site is cited, hardly an authoritative figure. Pescavelho (talk) 12:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of "Ireland" 

message: McGregor is arguably one of the most well known irish people 81.209.26.4 (talk) 07:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to mention him in an article about the island. The Banner talk 07:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Or, indeed, ever. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Who? Cashew.wheel (talk) 16:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I assumed he referred to a former plumber turned fighter with the first name Conor. The Banner talk 17:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  bad article, connor mcgreror isnt mentioned 

message: the term is a colonial and outdated one having been dug up from (by even then)  archaic sources by one John Dee - an advisor to Elizabeth I of England, and who advocated for the colonisation of Ireland. Today it has no official standing and has no more relevance to Ireland than the term British East Africa has to modern day Kenya. And as such needs to be be kept in the dustbin  of history  where it belongs 109.78.105.250 (talk) 12:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a geographical term for a group of islands. Nothing colonial here. The Banner talk 12:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ireland  is not a "British" isle 

message: There is a referenced claim in this article that Northern Ireland has outpaced the rest of Britain in growth as a result of staying in the EU's customs union. It is referencing this politico article: https://www.politico.eu/article/northern-ireland-economy-outpace-post-brexit-britain/
The article itself was referencing the Office for National Statisics regional growth statastics for Quarter July-Sept 2021: https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpukregionsandcountries/julytoseptember2021
In this quarter, Northern Ireland's growth outpaced the rest of the UK's.
However, in the subsquent reports from the ONS, the regional growth metrics show it is a lot more complicated. With regional growth variying from quarter to quarter and Northern Ireland not constitently being in front. In the most most recent publish quarter (April to June 2022), Northern Ireland has negative growth of 0.3%, whilst England and Scotland have 0.0% growth and Wales had negative growth of 0.4%. Making the modal average for Great Britian -0.1%, ahead of Northern Ireland on -0.3%.
All this can be found here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpukregionsandcountries/previousReleases
With now an additional year of data from when the referenced article was publish, I think it should be fair to see that this has not been a consitent trend and the statement is a reductive understanding of the causes of economic growth. Therefore the statement should be removed, with the sentence finishing on the fact that Northern Ireland remained in the Customes Union following the Brexit negotations. 31.94.2.196 (talk) 07:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northern Irish Growth since Brexit