Talk:Yakshagana

message: This is really nice article about Yakshagana. It seems like its related to kathakali, but yet it looks distinct and awesome. Thanks for enlightening me with this new informationPraveen 22:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand race and arts are entirely different. Arts can be picked up by any one or any group of people purely based on location and availability of opportunities, socio religious movements and so on. I also understand that the art does not belong to or become a property of that race or group who inherited the art. But surely one has to give credit for local variants and influences that creep into arts when they are practiced in a certian location for a long period of time. For instance Bharatanatya in Tamil Nadu is not exactly the same as in South Karnataka. Carnatic music in South Karnataka or even Vijayanagara Empire of 14-16th century is not the same as in Tamil Nadu, Hindusthani music also may be slightly different in North Karnataka when compared to that in some of the Gharanas in U.P. There are bound to be some variants. I think we should focus on this aspect in these articles rather than tagging it. Given the socio-religious interactions in India over the last 2000 years or so, even to call Carnatic music as "topic of South India" would then be erroneous, in which case these articles should be free of tags and simply focus describing "local variants" and influences from other similar arts.Dineshkannambadi 01:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  On the same note, if Carnatic music can be South Indian topic, so can Hindustani music.  But am not sure Wikiraja feels the same way.  Both this template and the wikiproject for Dravidian 'civilisations' is a confused mish mash.  Terms like 'culture', 'civilisation', 'ethnicity' etc., are too loose for WP purposes.  Unless, somebody can explain them in no uncertain terms, I feel that these templates are just a waste of time.  Sarvagnya 01:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Informative

message: "Dravidian has avenerable history as a label, and given that in modern times it has been employed in studies of Indian phenomena as diverse as language and temple architecture, literature and systems of land tenure, religion and race.”Ok. So what this Deshpande guy is saying is not different from what I am saying. The word "Dravida" has different meanings depending on context. For example a temple can be built in Dravidian style regardless of the mother tongue of the guy building it.- Sarvagnya 22:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It takes one ass**** to support another ass****, with both of them bordering on lunacy. Soriyar was no great Jesus. 59.92.74.69 06:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Carnatic music Lets not get carried away with British maps. British drew their maps the way they saw it in the 18th - 19th century time frame. By the way the non-anglasized name for the music is not "carnatic music", its Karnataka Sangeetha Shastra-- A.S. Panchapakesa Iyer. But that itself does not mean it originated in Karnataka either given its ancient history.Dineshkannambadi 17:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Bharata natyam As for Bharatanatayam, there are many sources which state that it is of Tamil origins. Can you show me at least one source that Bharatanatayam is of Kannadiga origins?
Can you prove conclusively from non-Tamil sources that it originated in Tamil Nadu? (no offence meant here, just trying to examine the issue more objectively) Can anyone prove sage Bharata was from Tamil Nadu. It was originally written and codified in Sanskrit writing, Natya Shastra, a non dravidian language)Dineshkannambadi 17:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: So now you want a neutral source? Should it be more like the work, "history of kannada", by Dr. Kamat (which is used as reference on every kannada article)? Anyways, please see my reference in "Bharathanatyam" article (the encyclopedia britannica link. You will need a subscription to see). Praveen 15:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to Sarvagnya

message: The Samangadh copper plate grant (753) confirms that feudatory Dantidurga defeated the Vallabha Kirtivarman II of Badami and with a small army humbled the great Karnatik army (refering to the army of the Badami Chalukyas) which had earlier won victories over the Kings of Kanchi, Kerela, Chola, Pandya, King Harsha of Kanauj and Vajrata.
Pandit B.N. Reu, History of the Rashtrakutas (Rathodas), 1933, Publishing Scheme, Jaipur (Reprinted 1997), p54
Just to share the age old name of Karnataka region.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 01:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage of word Karnatik-->Rashtrakuta inscription of 753 CE 

message: Though these masters engaged themselves in research and composed songs, it was Purandaradasa who is considered the Sangeetha Pitamaha who lived in the 15th century and the stalwarts who followed him like Sri Tyagaraja.... we know the rest of the names right?-Karnataka Sangeeta Sastra-Theory of Carnatic music by Vidwan A.S. Panchapakesa Iyer (2006), printed at Zion Printers, Chennai p8.''
Yes... Sri Muthuswamy Dikshitar, Sri, Syama Sastri and Swati Tirunal...
If you go back several pages to the Forward section it will state, "The present book 'Karnataka Sangita Sastra' was originally writen in Tamil and so great was Iyer's enthusiasm that he wrote the entire book of 160 pages in his own handwriting and got it printed by the ofset process."
Now, if you turn to page 13. you will see that the author gives two theories of the origination of the name Carnatic. "Since Kannada is the language of Karnataka, there is reason to believe that this has been called Carnatic music. Also the word 'carnatic' taking after the Tamil word 'karnatakam' means ancient or old and this form of music, therefore, might have been called Carnatic music" -Karnataka Sangeeta Sastra-Theory of Carnatic music by Vidwan A.S. Panchapakesa Iyer (2006), printed at Zion Printers, Chennai. Forward page and pp. 8 & 13.
Wiki Raja 23:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So clearly there is no consensus even among Scholars where the music came from and I dont think we are wise enough make that call either. If we are going to argue about where the "name" came from we would be splitting hairs and missing the real point. I think we should just enjoy the music and dance and move on.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck.Dineshkannambadi 18:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the reply. Tamil and Kannadiga scholars both claim Carnatic music as from their heritage. However, Kannadigas, Tamils, Malayalees, and Telugus for example share a lot of commonalities amongst each other and constitute the Dravidian family. Wiki Raja 04:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: RE:My Replies

message: What is wrong with having an LGBT series template on Yakshagana? Afterall isn't it the men who paint and dress themselves like women for the dance? Also, LGBT does not necessarily denote to only gays. LGBT stands for Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender. Isn't Yakshagana a transgender dance? This is not a put down for the article, unless there are some folks who are homophobic. Homophobia is the fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals. Anyways, not only is there hate towards ethnic Tamils on this talk page, but there is also hate towards homosexuals. Even though I am not gay, I strongly feel that discrimination against people based on their sexual orientation is morally wrong. Therefore, this talk page promotes bigotry, prejudice and hatred towards other peoples sexual orientations, ethnicities, and religious backgrounds. Wiki Raja 22:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please tell me you're kidding! The reason why men play women's roles has a historical and cultural background, it has nothing to do with transgendered people. All your arguments are completely misplaced because you're mixing up two very unrelated topics. Max  - You were saying? 08:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please. Thank you.  Sarvagnya 09:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: LGBT template & Homophobia on Yakshagana

message: There is not a single reference about anything in this article. adding OR tag. Praveen 22:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please have a look at the references I've added. I think they cover all points  tags had been placed. I'm removing  and  tags. Thanks, Gnanapiti 22:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No references at all

message: There is no description at all of the two variants, apart from the fact that one is used in the north, while the other is popular in the south. And two pictures of a guy who look pretty much the same.--SidiLemine 13:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, I added what I coul find.--SidiLemine 15:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add more information on the variants. Thanks for bringing this up. Gnanapiti 15:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Variants? 

message: Yakshagana Raga and Yakshagana Tala are studied in the scholarly works of Bhagavatha Narayanappa Uppura, Prof. Sridhara Uppura and in the celebrated book Chandogati of scholar Sediyapu Krishna Bhatta. Please update this aricle in making this an invaluable contribution to Yakshagana and Wikipedia.
Please have a look at newly created Yakshagana Raga and Yakshagana Tala pages.
~rAGU (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 04:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invitation 

message: It is incorrect to mention Yakshagana as an art of coastal Karnataka. When was Thirthahalli, Sirasi, Siddapura, Sagara, Yellapura been in coastal Karnataka? Artists like Gode Narayana Hegde, Kolagi Anantha Hegde and Bhagavatha Kolagi Keshava Hegde, Shankara Bhagavatha Yellapura, Gopalachari Thirthahalli. Looks like it is a display of regionalism by some one from South Canara. Please do not revert the correction.
~rAGU (talk)
Can you please provide a reliable source for your claim? The source mentioned in the article does not mention anything about Shimoga.
It say only about South Canara, Udupi and North Canara Districts, which form the coastal region of Karnataka.188.50.55.122 (talk) 06:27, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Costal Karnataka

message: Of late, much material is added to the article, without sourses and references and some original research and comments on eminent writers (Karanth); and the article has lost shape to an extent that, even one website link appears in main article! General clean up  and copy editing and neutral point of writing / editing is urgently required; that will be justice to an article on this great, unique art form.Rayabhari (talk) 14:57, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urgent cleanup 

message: The heading "Known Yakshagana Artists" includes so many names and of course, no source, and in good faith one can take it. But the list is very lengthy, and certainly there is scope for further development of list of artists, with their specialisations if required. I propose to put the list of artists in a separate page called "List of Yakshagana Artists" with subsections like Bhagavaths, background artists, stree vesha etc and the List can be accessed from the main page also. With this separation of the page, the main page looks good and tidey with relavant source ( in any case, the list can be accessed by clicking the link).Rayabhari (talk) 05:05, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separating list of Yakshagana artists 

message: I understand the first edit, removing the Indic from the lede, but why from the "Etymology" section?  GenQuest "Talk to Me" 21:06, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indic removals from article body