Talk:Mercedes-Benz S-Class

message: This whole article is full to the brim with marketing, CEO and lawyer speak. Just  look at the 6th gen section...Full of flattering remarks, how the exquisite substantial remarkable flaring body is accentuated by the magnificently sculpted silhouette of the rear panels.... and future tense verbs as if it's one big marketing flyer.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Choice777 (talk • contribs) 03:55, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Whole article is marketing speak !!!

message: The Template "Road car timeline was not deleted but rather only moved form References to hitsory since this makes the page more user firendly Gerdbrendel 20:37, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
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message: This article doesn't make sense as laid out.
The purpose of this page should be to explain the place the S-Class group of cars hold in society - the W pages can go into technical detail on each model; Certainly it's not supposed to promote W140 (the most reliable car ever made by humans according to this text, yet in real life a WSJ cover story in early 1990's pointed out W140's unreliability)
PLawrence99cx March 2006
:Yes the first S-Class rolled of the assembly line as a 1991 model year. The W140 was the first proper S-Class models, meaning that it was the first car to be called the S-Class. Before 1991 and before the W140 there were several models starting witht the letter S, they were refered to as the S-Family. Overall, this article discusses Mercedes' flagship sedans dating back to the fintails of the late 1950's up to the S-Class which started production in 1991 with the W140, before than it just wasn't called the S-Class. Also the statement: "the most reliable car ever made by humans" is totally POV and doesn't belong in the text. Thanks. Signaturebrendel 05:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: First S-Class was built in 1991?

message: I came across Mercedes-Benz S-Klasse today.  Any reason why it shouldn't be merged into this article?  Klasse is just class in German. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 10:29, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is in the English Wikipedia.  I didn't foresee an issue, but I figured I'd go through the usual merging process anyway.  As it has been seven days with no opposition, I'll merge it in. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 04:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, after reviewing the Mercedes-Benz S-Klasse further, there isn't anything to merge.  Everything appears to be already in the article, often word for word. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 04:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Then the article should be deleted since there is no neeed to have a S-Klasse and S-Class article. Signaturebrendel 04:27, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just made it a redirect as redirects are cheap and easy. Potentially someone could search using this term, however, I'd think the chances are slim, so if you want to put it on WP:RfD, go ahead. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 04:30, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested merge 

message: There are numberous references to 'Air suspension' in Benz articles, starting with W100, yet they all contain a rather useless link to "Automobile (suspension)" - suggest text or article describing Benz 'Air suspension' setup - anyone know anything about it?
PLawrence99cx March 14 2006
:As there are other luxury vehicles such as the Lincoln Town Car who use air suspensions, an article on air suspension should contain desriptions of all air suspension. In other words an article for just the Benz suspension would be to specific, rather the article should contain information relating to air suspensions in general. Regards, Signaturebrendel 21:42, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately I am not an expert on the issue. While I love cars riding on air suspensions, my knowledge on the subject is merely enough for a short stub. But I'm glad we see eye to eye on the editorial attributes. Thanks. Signaturebrendel 02:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Air Suspension

message: IMHO, the article should not be too NPOV. I would like to see an insightful and thought-provoking article with a view rather than one that gives just the facts. Quotations from "reputable" (do we have a consensus on which auto magazines are reputable?) auto magazines will be welcome in this talk page and also in the article page. bare facts like "The car is *** cm tall, the engine's torque is blah blah" would be informative but boring and all. So, please keep the discussion flowing and try to reach a consensus. --who is kushal? 18:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well this is an encyclopeadia, not a popular magazine. The article needs to be as NPOV as possible. If that means sacreficing some entertainment value, than that may be unfortunate but neccessary. Regards, SignaturebrendelHAPPY HOLIDAYS 06:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Just to note, since the recent redesign of the article, the informative aspect was combined with ease of reading in mind; hopefully the added details and context improves the flow and makes the article fact-based and informative yet interesting. Enigma3542002 05:56, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too NOPV?

message: Greetings all, I was wondering about how this article could be improved. Does anyone think that perhaps the sections could be adjusted somewhat?  I think that the article's flow might be improved if additional subsections are included, rather than having a list of same-level sections for topics of differing importance.  For instance, perhaps the Ocean Drive Concept section and S-class robots section could be placed under the heading of "S-class concepts," or since the robots were tested in 1995, under the W140 section. 
Furthermore, reading through the article, it seems that in some cases single sentences are counted as paragraphs.  That is a newspaper-like style, which works, but perhaps some of those sentences could be combined into a paragraph with a topic sentence added (for instance updates to a vehicle). I am also curious as to the generation infoboxes, as to whether the details included are consistent (W126 in particular). And is it also possible to expand the lead section to better represent the scope of the article? 
Also, I realize that the awards section was deleted, due to lack of sources and the way it was written. However, a widely held opinion is that the S-class is the benchmark of the luxury flagship sedan class. Good articles such as Lincoln Town Car include awards sections, highlighting noteworthy achievements of the vehicle. That What Car? magazine awarded the S-class "Best Luxury Car" seven times and Fleet News' listed it as "Luxury Car of the Year" five times
speaks to its prestigious reputation as an automotive benchmark. Perhaps these could be included, if properly referenced and entered using an "Indented List with content" (as done in the Lincoln TC article and supported in Wikipedia:Embedded_list)? 
Finally, with the addition of references, perhaps the style of notation could be revised to include a references section with identifiable HTML, etc. reference information/links?  Just some ideas I'd like to toss out there. 
Regards, Enigma3542002 00:41, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I have some abundance of time today, I have decided to be bold and attempt some improvements. Enigma3542002 05:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's looking good, Enigma. Make good use of the edit summaries so it's easy to see what changes you're making. Anyway, kudos and thanks for the hard work. Jagvar 21:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the input.  I have tried to increase use of edit summaries, although I tend to make a lot of minor edits despite using the preview/sandbox a lot.  Anyhow, I have completed most of the objectives I set out earlier.  I also went through each of the S-Class generational articles linked from this page, and aligned them to be more uniform in style (hopefully making cross-referencing easier). Enigma3542002 01:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Original article before edits here:  Enigma3542002 00:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Sieht ja gut aus! (Looks good :D). Signaturebrendel 00:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Thx to whoever made it so the chronology box remains open. Enigma3542002 20:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, it's true that the earlier vehicles are not directly called "S-Class," however MB USA themselves advertises the W221 as the "Ninth Generation S-Class."   The article makes it pretty clear that the earlier versions were not called S-Class, but were typically the top-ranked vehicle in the MB lineup. Enigma3542002 20:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One possibility would be to adjust the infobox to show specific S-Class vs. predecessor models by additional labeling. Enigma3542002 20:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's surprising for me - this is the first time  see Mercedes acknowledging (in a way) the pre-W116 models as "S-Klasses". I still believe this is rather apocryphal and can be mentioned in the article, but the article should not deal with cars earlier than W116. Regards, PrinceGloria 07:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article now separates out the classes by official and predecessor. SynergyStar (talk) 01:29, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article improvements 

message: Per brendel's good suggestion, I have created a simple navigation box for the entire S-Class vehicles. This makes it possible to navigate the S-Class chronology, which is only partially included in the road and classic timelines. Each article has the navigation box now: Template:Mercedes-Benz S-Class lineage. Enigma3542002 08:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sieht ja gut aus! (Looks good :D). Signaturebrendel 00:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Thx to whoever made it so the chronology box remains open. Enigma3542002 20:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, it's true that the earlier vehicles are not directly called "S-Class," however MB USA themselves advertises the W221 as the "Ninth Generation S-Class."   The article makes it pretty clear that the earlier versions were not called S-Class, but were typically the top-ranked vehicle in the MB lineup. Enigma3542002 20:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One possibility would be to adjust the infobox to show specific S-Class vs. predecessor models by additional labeling. Enigma3542002 20:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's surprising for me - this is the first time  see Mercedes acknowledging (in a way) the pre-W116 models as "S-Klasses". I still believe this is rather apocryphal and can be mentioned in the article, but the article should not deal with cars earlier than W116. Regards, PrinceGloria 07:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article now separates out the classes by official and predecessor. SynergyStar (talk) 01:29, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: S-Class timeline

message: I keep seeing these photos of Mercedes which have been ruined by having the headlights replaced with tiny little bulbs that look so pathetic.  Can we please only post photos in this article of ORIGINAL specification Mercedes, as produced by the factory in Germany?  Thanks. Davez621 (talk) 01:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone remove the photos of all these horrid US Mercedes? 

message: I've fixed up a couple of things - in two places in the article, it stated that the current model (W221) was introduced in 2007.  It actually went on sale in early 2006.  I have fixed these mistakes. Davez621 (talk) 01:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  W221 introduced in 2006, not 2007 

message: Modern ABS was first an option on the 1971 Imperial, called the Sure Brake system. Airbags were available on some 1970's GM cars, under the name ACRS (Air Cushion Restraint System)Starbase89  —Preceding undated comment added 07:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
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message: Should this article be merged here? At the very least, considering Talk:Toyota Camry Hybrid it should at least be discussed. --Falcadore (talk) 07:55, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That article is merely a stub, and the main contributors haven't edited in years, you could be bold and merge it into the W221 (2005) section. SynergyStar (talk) 20:01, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Redirect has already been done to Mercedes-Benz W221 at stub article page. No longer need to have merger tags. SynergyStar (talk) 01:21, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mercedes-Benz S-Class Hybrid 

message: A 4-speed automatic transmission came along as a standard equipment with the upper-line V8 models only (380SE, 380SEL, 380 SEC, 420SE, 420 SEL, 420SEC, 500SE, 500 SEL, 500 SEC, 560 SE, 560 SEl, 560 SEC) but was a to-pay-for option for the smaller 6-cylinder engines (280 SE, 280 SEL, 300 SE, 300 SEL), which in Mercedes` domestic market and Europe made up the largest chunk of the s-class sales.
Option 42/0 (automatic transmission for the `smaller` 6-cylinder models) called for a healthy extra 2169,60 German Mark in 1982, which made it the 3rd most expensive option after air conditioning (option 58/0 and 58/1, 3367,40 resp. 4045,40 German Mark) and the those days brand-new ABS-system (option 47/0, 2599 German Mark), with the exception of a car telephone which in its `cheapest` version (Becker AT 76 S) was 22362,80 German Mark, nearly the equivalent of a W 123 Mercedes 200 (24,408 German Mark).  
Early 6-cylinder models (280 SE/280 SEL) initially featured a serial 4-speed manual gearbox with a 5-speed manual gearbox available as a surcharge option (Option 42/8, 1011,35 German Mark in 1982, about half the price for the automatic gearshift and certainly, for the rev-loving M- 110 engine, the better choice - top speed for a 280 SE with 5-speed manual gearbox was clocked 211,7 Km/h by the german "auto,motor&sport" car magazin in 1982, which left the car with practically no top speed to catch up with the 380 SE, but fairly better accelerations and considerably less consumption.)
However with the mid-age refreshment of the W126 S-class in early 1985, a 5 speed manual transmission finally became standard on the newly introduced 300 SE/300 SE.
Possibly no US-version ever saw a delivery without an automatic transmission as a standard feature (which could explain the information given in the encylopedia), but I do not have a clue about US-equipment standards. (Nogaret 28/01/2011 14:58 MEZ)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.20.124.68 (talk) 14:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automatic Transmission 

message: is the 50-70mph time of 3.9s correct?  that seems slow for a 500hp+ car capable of hitting 60 in under 5s.  
As comparison my 370bhp Lancer Evo is 1.9s in 3rd gear (although it's nearly 1000kg lighter) 
and I'd expect a rear driven, bigger HP car to be better as it speeds up compared to a 4wd car.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.68.226.10 (talk) 11:31, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acceleration 

message: The 1951 W187 is, and is listed in Wikipedia as, the immediate predecessor of the W180 Ponton.  The M180/130 engine which, with it's derivatives, was the main powerplant for the S-Class until the introduction of the W116 in 1972, was first introduced in the W187.
Also note that in S-Class Timeline,  Enigma3542002 states that MBUSA  advertises the W221 as the "Ninth Generation S-Class."  Only by including the W187 can this be justified:
1. W187
2. W180
3. W111
4. W108
5. W116
6. W126
7. W140
8. W220
9. W221
 
The W187 itself has no direct predecessor in either the pre- or post-war period and I would propose that we insert this model as the beginning of the line and take the S-Class's start date to April 1951.
Jhswalwell (talk) 18:27, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't the W187 the real start of the S-Class lineage? 

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message: Engineering
Historically, the engineering of the S-Class was claimed[by whom?] to have been designed without regard to cost, a practice that continued unfettered up through the W140 line.[citation needed]''
Wouldn't it make sense to remove this text passage until sources and citations have been provided?  Bitbybittlab (talk) 11:19, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal request 

message: where is latest S class mercedes models in this like S350, S450 and all other available? Monank17 (talk) 21:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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