Talk:Carolinas

message: *Neutral Merge is a better answer than delete. Would like to see others' opinions -Jcbarr 13:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cackalacky]]  merge 

message: Can someone help expand the page? Adding stuff about the similarities between the two states, culture, food, music, ect.? BobbyAFC 05:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion 

message: Needs discussion of why there's a North and a South.  Tempshill 23:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are there two? 

message: As seen above, the Cackalacky article was merged and redirected into this one, and from that point it was ground down to the point where no hint of it remained, save a "see also" link to Southern American English.  A user removed the one remaining reference to the term, claiming that it was unreferenced, even though a reference was provided.  I'm not sure why.  He also said that the reference did not support the information, but I just read the reference in question, and it does.  He seems to have been acting in good faith, but I'm not sure what happened there.  Anyway, a search for "cackalacky" redirects here, and there should clearly be some mention.  It's a common and documented nickname for the state.  Mr. IP (talk) 02:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cackalacky pt. II 

message: For some reason, I don't think it's appropriate to have the bulk of this section talking about historical politics.  The specific entry: "On the other hand, he described South Carolina as 'one of the poorest American states, and probably one of the balkiest.'" slightly offends me as well as many others I'd imagine.  The state has come a long way since that 1940s quotation.  If it's to remain in the article, maybe the heading should be changed to "Political History".  Or, you could make some mention of the current politics of each state.  As it stands, that sentences does nothing to support the claim that NC and SC share close political viewpoints.  In fact, its purpose is to illustrate the stark contrast between the two that existed in one period of history.  You say "Despite these differences" to qualify that claim, but it's completely uneccesary as those differences of which you speak were from SIXTY years ago.  It's pretty slack to keep in the quotation about how you can't get a divorce in South Carolina-- which is completely untrue today (even if it was in the 40s).  Such statements do not properly characterize the states, and retard their attempts to "move on" from their unpleasent pasts.  Don't mix past and present politics in the same section without explicitly mentioning that they aren't the current practices.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.7.17.3 (talk) 14:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there is far too much scalawag bias here, putting down other states for the sake of NC's pride. Far too many carpetbaggers in the Triangle lend credence to the idea that NC is not Southern. 70.171.236.188 (talk) 09:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Politics

message: I have tagged :File:The_Carolinas.PNG, which is in use in this article for deletion because it does not have a copyright tag. If a copyright tag is not added within seven days the image will be deleted. --Chris 00:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:The_Carolinas.PNG]] may be deleted 

message: I get the impression that the word Carolinas is never used to mean this joint hypothetical entity without being preceded by the.  This being the case, surely the relevant name, as in the article title, is The Carolinas, and so, as a proper noun, both words should be capitalised.  Kevin McE (talk) 08:19, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Many other proper names always have the article, but I've never known anyone to insist on The Everglades, The Atlantic Ocean, The Swanee River. —Tamfang (talk) 04:29, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation 

message: Shouldn't Tennessee be portrayed as part of the Carolinas in the image for the article?  It was only surrendered to the Union long after NC and SC were separated. μηδείς (talk) 03:18, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  tennessee 

message: :Major Highways
:::See also: North Carolina Highway System
:::See also: List of numbered highways in South Carolina
:Media
::Television
:::See also: List of television stations in North Carolina
:::See also: List of television stations in South Carolina
::Radio
:::See also: List of radio stations in North Carolina
:::See also: List of radio stations in South Carolina
:Counties
:::See also: List of counties in North Carolina
:::See also: List of counties in South Carolina
There's exactly as much point in having these sections with their See alsos here as in, say, United States, i.e. none.  I'm deleting them. —Tamfang (talk) 04:26, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  stub stub stub 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Evidently as the article explains, "Carolina" is named after Charles IX of France.  This seems abstruse, and should (perhaps) be explained. To further complicate things, the lead states that it was named after Charles I of England (?) --2606:A000:4C0C:E200:AC43:3B49:CF5E:E4EF (talk) 19:59, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: This should not be at "The Carolinas", as the "The" is a purely grammatical element that is not capitalized in running text. This article should be at Carolinas. --Khajidha (talk) 11:13, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:THE: "If the definite or indefinite article would be capitalized in running text, then include it at the beginning of the Wikipedia article name. Otherwise, do not..." - BilCat (talk) 19:32, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I was expecting more discussion. There was a stalemate over at Americas recently and a recent move to The Californias. Not to mention The Canadas, The Dakotas, The Floridas, and The Virginias. --Khajidha (talk) 21:21, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The guideline at WP:THE is quite clear, and makes no exceptions for geography. If you want to allow for exceptions, that is the place to argue for them. - BilCat (talk) 21:38, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I agree with you and the guideline. I just expected somebody to complain. What should we do about the other examples I listed? --Khajidha (talk) 22:31, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

text: It's because it's a low traffic article.  WP:THE absolutely does not suggest the article should be moved here, though you have to actually read it, and look at the situation to realise that.  Literally the first case of when to title articles with The in WP:THE says this article should be located at The Carolinas, but this is what happens when people try to enforce guidelines without taking the time to understand them (or even, that they're guidelines precisely because you shouldn't follow them in some weird cases when it's clearly detrimental to the encyclopaedia to do so). WilyD 04:58, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because someone disagrees with your interpretation of the guidelines doesn't mean they haven't read them. In addition, the word "Carolinas" doesn't appear on that guideline page, so it doesn't "literally" say the article should be located at "The Carolinas". In fact, it meets neither case listed under "Convention" in the lead. - BilCat (talk) 05:12, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need to move this article