Talk:Adam Jones (American football)

message: I added a POV check tag so someone else could check the article out.  I was hesitant to add it, but a large portion of the article seems very slanted towards not liking the Adam Jones.  i think it just needs to just be reworded a bit to conform to a neutral point of view. --ScottyBoy900Q 12:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV check 

message: I added a POV check tag so someone else could check the article out.  I was hesitant to add it, but a large portion of the article seems very slanted towards not liking the Adam Jones.  i think it just needs to just be reworded a bit to conform to a neutral point of view. --ScottyBoy900Q 12:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV check 

message: If his now-legal name is Pacman Jones, we should make his article under that name, not Adam Jones (American football). We have Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Muhammad Ali under their changed names, so too should we for Pacman. SliceNYC 03:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked into it quickly on Google and it doesn't seem like Pacman is his legal first name. So I deleted the part about that in the article, and my point is now moot. SliceNYC 03:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official name 

message: Couldn't this section be retitled 'legal troubles' or something of the sort? all of the controversy is related to criminal investigations. maybe it would be more accurate than to simply say 'controversy' (although obviously controversy would be applicable if something else comes up.) Xwoodandwater 01:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy

message: He is always reffered to as Pacman Jones, NFL.com, CBS sportsline and everyone other stat datebase lists him as 'Pacman'. In the media he is never reffered to a Adam Jones. This article should be moved to Pacman Jones even if its not his real name--Coasttocoast 01:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly agree. We already, after all, have Michael Savage's artilce under his pseudonym instead of his real name, Michael Weiner. WP:COMMONNAME says we should use the name a person is best known by, and in Mr. Jones' case that's clearly "Pacman". Redxiv 04:25, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This article should be moved to Pacman Jones (settled)

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacman_Jones#2007
This "Moore" person is not mentioned anywhere else in the article... but then suddenly, boom, this last name comes out of nowhere. Who's "Moore"?
--Recoil42 05:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who the hell is Moore? Possible Plagiarism? 

message: Is it really worth mentioning that the NFL commissioner met with Pacman to discuss his future on April 3rd?
--Angrymansr 21:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it really worth mentioning? 

message: I had placed this page on Semi-Protection, to lessen the vandalism hopefully.
John 06:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-Protection 

message: I removed a lot of overtly racist comments.  The article said that he was the only black person in the state of West Virginia and moved to Tennessee because it had a larger black population.  Clearly that was vandalism.  But I also removed a few items that I mention here just in case I'm wrong.  The article said that his mother Deborah's nickname was "Shaniqua."  Sounded racist to me, but I Googled it to be safe, and found nothing, so I removed it.  Likewise for a nickname for his Grandmother Christine.
Finally, I removed this sentence from his "legal troubles - 2006" section:
"Also, on November 12, 2006. Jones was arrested for sucker-punching Latino fans after the Tennessee Titans game in Oakland."
Because of the racial overtones and the use of the term "sucker punch" I figured it was suspicious.  I checked every source I could think of and I couldn't find any reference to him being arrested in Oakland for getting in a fight with fans.  If he did get arrested, put this back in without the unnecessary bits.   Andrewdoane 12:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Vandalism 

message: Some of you wanted "Adam Jones".  Some of you wanted "Pacman Jones".  I thought "Adam 'Pacman' Jones" was a fair compromise.  Obviously, "Pacman Jones" is more recognized, so I don't have a problem with the article being named "Pacman Jones".  However, if you wanted to look up his statistics in a sports almanac, you wouldn't find anything under "Pacman Jones".  You would have to look up his information under "Adam Jones".  Having the full variation "Adam 'Pacman' Jones" solves both problems.  --Bark 21:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention, it's inclusive and not exclusive.  Inclusive is good for an encyclopedia.  --Bark 21:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: His infobox name should not be a full name. The only reason that field is in even the infobox template is for pages that have a disambig. (i.e. (American football)) can have it removed for the infobox. But if there's not a disambig., as is the case here, the name that the article is titled by (the common name of the person) is the one used in the infobox. All other middle names/other nicknames/jr's, etc. that aren't in the article title should be left for the actual article text itself. Pats1 00:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The purpose of infoboxes is to give correct snapshot information. The reason the name field was implemented was not only to allow for things like disambiguations in titles, but people or things that are also known by alternate names to the point that their article is titled as such under the naming conventions (Hulk Hogan, Dog, AIDS). Pacman Jones is not his actual name, Adam is. Not only is "Adam 'Pacman' Jones" inclusive (his whole public name is in the box), it's a good middle ground.«»bd(talk stalk) 14:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So where is the line drawn? Donald "Don" Davis? Christopher "Chris" Henry? My point is, the infobox, like the article title, is for a player's common name. I don't see how Christopher "Chris" Henry is any different from Adam "Pacman" Jones (a nickname). Chris Henry (wide receiver) is the article title, so his infobox title is Chris Henry. Pacman Jones is the article title, so his infobox title is Pacman Jones. All the other middle names/nicknames that aren't in the article titles are left to the first line of the article. Pats1 14:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  With Christopher "Chris" Henry, the "Chris" is an obvious and common derivative of "Christopher", so there is no need to include the "Chris".  "Pacman" is not derived from "Adam" or "Jones".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.211.223.170 (talk) 10:44, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info Box Name? 

message: I heard he has a child. Why isn't this mentioned on his page?(MgTurtle 00:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Child? 

message: His agent has stated his won't wrestle and thus far, he has not wrestled, so I don't think he should be describled as a "TNA wrestler". Perhaps simply "under contract to TNA Wrestling" would suffice.
:On the other hand, the Executive V.P. of TNA said that Pacman will wrestle, in a tag-team. It's also being reported that Pacman has had a wrestling ring installed at his home, where he's working out. For right now, I think that both his agent's denial and the TNA V.P.'s affirmation should be included. --ChandlerH 19:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Professional TNA Wrestler? 

message: Shouldn't we have a second infobox in the Pro Wrestling section listing his wrestling stats. I mean Arnold (the governor of California) as three on his page...Politician infobox, Movie star infobox, and a Body Builder infobox. Doesn't it make sense?--Hornetman16 (talk) 03:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If/when he gains significant experience doing that, then I'd say yes. Right now, no.►Chris Nelson 03:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Infobox 

message: This page NEEDS to be protected! I'm tired of undoin' vandalism to it! --Zero Cool 15:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to request it, though I doubt it'll be granted. It's doing fairly well being watched.«»bd(talk stalk) 16:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's cuz I've undone vandalism atleast 3 times in the last two or three days. --Zero Cool 17:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I just said. «»bd(talk stalk) 17:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection. 

message: This guy's nickname is Pacman. This guy appears in Madden NFL video games, right? Has Namco, owner of exclusive rights in the name Pac-Man for video games, objected? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 22:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Namco objection? 

message: per consensus here. --MCB (talk) 07:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Mild oppose I think in this case an argument can be made for common name. What he wants to be called is somewhat irrelevent, IMO. Are the news reports, for example, saying that Adam Jones wants to be known as Adam Jones or that Pacman Jones wants to be known as Adam Jones? Narson (talk) 19:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
I'm curious, why was the move made despite some consensus against such a move?  -- χγʒ͡ʒγʋᾳ (talk) 00:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

text: It was not done by participants here.  Let this process run its course and the closing admin can put it where "consensus" leads. —  AjaxSmack  02:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Mild oppose I think in this case an argument can be made for common name. What he wants to be called is somewhat irrelevent, IMO. Are the news reports, for example, saying that Adam Jones wants to be known as Adam Jones or that Pacman Jones wants to be known as Adam Jones? Narson (talk) 19:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
I'm curious, why was the move made despite some consensus against such a move?  -- χγʒ͡ʒγʋᾳ (talk) 00:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was not done by participants here.  Let this process run its course and the closing admin can put it where "consensus" leads. —  AjaxSmack  02:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Seeing a distinct lack of consensus for the June 24 move, I have reversed it and restored the article name as Pacman Jones, and will update WP:RM as well. --MCB (talk) 07:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He is now listed as Adam on the Cowboys roster and he said that even though his friends and teammates call him Pacman he wants to be Adam in the media.►Chris NelsonHolla! 16:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He's been referred as Pacman Jones in all prior media reports, and unless he starts being called Adam Jones by a majority of the press, there's no reason to move this page. This is a controversial move; discuss this first instead of moving the page against consensus. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 00:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He is listed as Adam Jones at the major NFL sites, like NFL.com and ESPN.com, as well as the Cowboys roster.►Chris NelsonHolla! 01:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Chris – I would suggest you request another move and lets see what the community thinks. The last was a month ago, and there have been some changes since then. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 01:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

text: The fact of the matter is that his name is Adam Jones. He asked not to be referred to by his nickname anymore, and regardless of old media reports, current sports reporters refer to him as "Adam Jones" or, infrequently and to avoid confusion from less knowledgeable readers, "Adam Jones, formerly known as Pacman Jones". On this week's Monday Night Football, he was referred to as Adam Jones throughout the game. Why is this still an issue? When Chad Johnson changed his name to Chad Ocho Cinco, the wikipedia page adjusted almost immediately. Add a redirect, but move the page to "Adam Jones (American football). --PoloShot (talk) 18:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering all media outlets have not taken to calling him Adam Jones, the page should now be moved for the same reason Chad Ocho Cinco's page was.►Chris NelsonHolla! 04:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move reversed 

message: IceFrappe copy paste moved this three times today, which is totally unacceptable. It is only slightly more unacceptable than me blocking the page against editing, which I've done. I personally agree with the move. I urge everyone involved in this thing to step back. Hold an RFC. Take a straw poll here on the talk page. But a copy paste move is not the answer.  Please?  Dlohcierekim  01:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seek consensus from those who edit the article. Put in a request at Requested page moves. Contact each editor involved in the prior discussion to see if consensus now exists. Seek opinion of Admin who who protected the page against moves in the first place. Cheers,   Dlohcierekim  20:11, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes the page should be moved, but you can't simply copy-and-paste it because then the article loses all its edit history and stuff. It has to be actually moved.►Chris NelsonHolla! 20:46, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protected and the move reversed. 

message: I recently switched the mention of Jones being with the Bengals to him being a free agent, since he hasn't officially signed yet.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.169.136 (talk) 21:26, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bengals/free agency 

message: This article used to have sections on "Legal Issues" and those issues' "Effect on NFL Career".  These duplicated the section on the NFL career and also confused the flow of the narrative.  It felt, when you read the article in strict order, like he was arbitrarily suspended for no good reason--- when in fact the NFL was quite justified in its actions. I decided to combine the off-the-field issues with the on-field story.  This makes for a depressing tale, but frankly Jones is most famous for his problems off the field, even though he did play very well during his first two years in the league (the only full seasons he has played so far.) Timothy Horrigan (talk) 03:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combining Legal issues with Career 

message: I'm guessing fire wasn't involved but this needs to be made clear for people not familiar with the sport. Hack (talk) 19:08, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burned on a touchdown? 

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message: His playing statistics stop at 2017, although article text talks of 2018. The missing data is available at
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JonePa20.htm
I'm sure I would mess up the HTML table so I'll just point this out for someone who knows how to edit it.2600:6C56:6600:1EA7:219F:B87B:49EB:7F73 (talk) 13:00, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it's been so long and no one has acted on it, what I did was added the 2018 season, updated games played, updated INTs, and updated PDs. I did not do the rest and I would welcome assistance. If no one else does it, I will try to get to it later this month. Enigmamsg 21:35, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry, due to matters outside my control, I am unable to further assist in this matter. Enigmamsg 21:40, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  2018 data missing from table