Talk:List of Americans of English descent

message: Why does the page "Category:English Americans" contain dozens of names not included on this list? 86.17.208.173 13:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Categories are less strictly maintained than lists for whatever reason, but I might check about who in the cat could fit.--T. Anthony 15:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category:English Americans

message: Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) for current discussion of a potential policy to apply to all ethnicity lists on Wikipedia, including this one. JackO'Lantern 20:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnicity lists discussion

message: I have sourced the list in accordance with Wikipedia's No Original Research and Verifiability policies. Basically, anyone described by a reliable source as "Finnish" or "Finnish-American" (i.e. as opposed to "of Finnish descent", "Finnish mother", etc.) is on the list. Here are the people I couldn't find anything for. If you have a reliable source that fits that please restore the names:
*Halle Berry
*Richard Dawson
*Francesca Fisher-Eastwood
*Christopher Guest
*Gene Hackman
*Teri Hatcher
*Alan Ladd
*Eva Le Gallienne
*Little Jack Little - composer
*Mandy Moore
*Tyrone Power, Sr.
*Brad Pitt
*Jamie Lynn Spears
Mad Jack O'Lantern 08:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: This list is pretty worthless.  It is woefully thin - the Finnish list is as big.  The number of English-Americans is in eight figures: is this list the best we can do? An example of how all these lists are a mess: Tom Hanks' article basically says he is mostly of English descent, with some Welsh.  Guess which list he is on?  Yet on the category for actors he is listed as English.  Which is it?!  86.17.246.75 22:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason this was thin when I edited on it is because there was great concern that such a list would be enormous beyond reason if we included everyone who was just of English descent. So, back then anyway, we were mostly adding people who called themselves English-American or had lived in England before living in the US. It's possible that concern is still keeping this from getting as large as you'd like.--T. Anthony 14:30, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the most part, the reasons the list is thin are: The majority of people who are of predominantly English descent had ancestors who moved here so long ago that it is impossible to indeed confirm that they are of English descent. I'd bet, to use a random example, that Nancy Grace, John Mark Karr and Patsy Ramsey are all of mostly English descent, though this would never be mentioned in any source so we can't verify it. The other reason this list is short and is indeed missing a large number of people who could be verified as English Americans, is that there are no English American editors adding as many names as possible, as we have on so many other X-American lists. Mad Jack 16:03, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Possible I suppose. My father is almost purely of English descent with a bit of Scotch and Northern Irish. I'd imagine most English-descended Americans like me never identify as English-American. Mostly I just mention being almost exclusively English, Dutch and Belgian as a source of embarrassment. List of Dutch Americans was quite small too as many don't identify as that either.--T. Anthony 14:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It doesn't matter whose father, mother, etc. was English. IF you have a source that actually describes the person as "English American" (or "British American") or "English" (if they are also "American") then you can put them on the list, if not, no. So no "English mother", "English descent", etc. Tom Hanks' ancestors immigrated here centuries ago. I seriously doubt anyone, including himself, considers Hanks "English American" (but feel free to prove me wrong with a good source). This is the same as is being done with all of these lists to put them in proper shape. Mad Jack 06:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Worthless?

message: I wonder if we should have a corollary list of American-English people like Henry James and T. S. Eliot.--T. Anthony 10:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: American English?

message: "Talib Kweli - His mother was an English professor" I went to his article here at wikipedia. It says just this but "English" links to English studies, and there is no external reference.
Davy Jones - "English" is sourced, "American" is not. He definitely seems to be an American resident but nothing mentions him being an American national.
A Geek Tragedy 17:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suspect entries

message: See this edit. Badagnani (talk) 21:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive blanking 

message: This page has been beset with repeated vandalism and massive blanking. I therefore propose that only referenced material be allowed for any new additions for this particular page.  Without references, how are we to know who is genuinely English, and who is not?   Trasel (talk) 22:20, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Referenced Only" Editing for This Page?

message: If you look at the Irish American article, you'll find that a very large number claim to be of Irish ancestry, even though in most cases it's very remote. But I imagine that nearly every one (except JFK) had some English blood. But they don't make an issue of it. Since the war, only Jimmy Carter visited his ancestral home (in north-east England). Mind you, most Americans don't use the word "English" much (except about muffins or the language), preferring the inaccurate use of the word "British". Millbanks (talk) 13:21, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: US Presidents

message: This really needs massive sourcing.  Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 20:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourcing

message: Sorry about the recent reversion that went back pretty far, but there was excessive removal of referenced entries without any explanation by IP 98.15.137.71., who will be blocked from editing soon if this does not stop now.
 —  .`^) Paine Ellsworthdiss`cuss (^`.  12:08, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent reversion 

message: This is a list of notable English-Americans who do not appear on the original list. All  those people considered by different sources like English-American (ie, people who are direct descendent of English, having a English father, to a closer ancestor English, etc...), excluded from the original list, on the this list. Please, if you have a reliable source to accept or reject these people as English-Americans indicate this:
 
* Sean Astin
* Mackenzie Astin
* Linda Lee Cadwell
* Roy E. Disney   
* Patty Duke 
* David Hasselhoff
* Brandon Lee
* Shannon Lee
* Viggo Mortensen (English-American mother's side)
* Nia Peeples
* Freddie Prinze Jr  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Isinbill (talk • contribs) 20:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of English-American 

message: She's of English descent, she must be, Swift is an English name.86.186.3.245 (talk) 04:15, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Taylor Swift

message: I have removed the citations to the WorldConnect project at Rootsweb.  WorldConnect is a project where anyone, including your mad aunt Milly can upload their decent work or complete fantasy genealogy.  The entries are not vetted, not edited, not checked, not approved in any way.  The persons are amateur, previously unpublished, not expert in their field and it's not a third-party publication.  Just a host.  As such these works are not acceptable sources for Wikipedia.Wjhonson (talk) 16:17, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: WorldConnect

message: I added some American actors of English descent like Shannen Doherty, Garry Marshall, Beau Bridges or George Clooney but they have been removed from the list. May I know why ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.214.55.75 (talk) 20:42, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  American actors of English descent 

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message: Many names in this list aren't supported by verifiable claims in the person's target article. I'm going to tag the article for now, so it's clear to readers not to rely on it. Then, if I can gird myself for the tedium, I'm going to check each name. (If anyone else wants to join in, a caution: the claim of English descent in some BLPs were added unsourced and must also be checked against any cited refs.) Schazjmd (talk) 15:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: For clarity, when a target article makes no mention of English ancestry, I'm using "not supported by target article" as an edit summary. When the target article details ancestry but doesn't mention English, I'm using "contradicted by target article" as an edit summary.struck because I switched to modifying groups in the list at a time and just used "not supported" Schazjmd (talk) 16:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

text: I also plan to remove the poorly-defined annotations (mostly added to actors and musicians), like "partly", "mainly", "a small bit", etc. Schazjmd (talk) 20:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Btw, although this list has fewer than 30 page watchers, for any that there are, I apologize for what this is doing to your watchlists. I'm doing the list name-by-name so I can feel most confident that I'm not inadvertently removing the wrong entries. But if this is causing a problem for anyone else, ping me and I'll try to do a section at a time. Schazjmd (talk) 00:14, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  List cleanup needed