Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive3

message: Your help is requested to help document the history of the Toronto Marlboros Junior A hockey club article I recently created. It operated for over 80 years and deserves an adequate entry. Please add your historical knowledge. Thanks. Flibirigit 14:26, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toronto Marlboros 

message: Allegedly regulars at this WikiProject are arrogant and unwelcoming... so says User:Peter Isotalo on the Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts.  What a joke.  DMighton 21:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Ice Hockey Slandered

message: Your help is needed to clear up the following:
* The Montreal Jr. Canadiens team in the OHA played from 1961 until the end of the 1972 season. The OHL media guide states that the Jr. Canadiens suspsended operations at that time. The QMJHL media guide states otherwise. See below.
* I believe that the Montreal Jr. Canadiens changed names to the Montreal Bleu Blanc Rouge. This claim is supported by the QMJHL media guide, and the roster from the 1971-72 Jr. Canadiens has many similar players to the roster from the 1972-73 Bleu-Blanc-Rouge.
* A team named the Kingston Canadians started playing in the Ontario Hockey Association for the 1973-74 season. The OHL media guide claims that it is the re-activated Jr. Canadiens franchise.
===Questions===
* Were the Montreal Bleu-Blanc-Rouge an expansion team to the QMJHL in 1972, that signed players from the defunct Montreal Jr. Canadiens?
* Were the Kingston Canadians an expansion team to the OHA in 1973?
* Is there any common ownership between the Montreal Jr. Canadiens and the Kingston Canadians?
====Possible scenario #1====
* The Montreal Jr. Canadiens suspended operations after in 1972
* the players from that team are released to play elsewhere, some of them sign with the expansion team Montreal Bleu-Blanc-Rouge
* The franchise resumes operations starting all over with a new name, new city and new players
====Possible scenario #2====
* The Montreal Jr. Canadiens are sold, switch leagues and change names. and take their players with them.
* The Kingston Canadians are an expansion franchise owned by the same people who controlled the Montreal Jr. Canadiens.
====Possible scenario #3====
* The Montreal Jr. Canadiens were one franchise that split into two separate entities in the Montreal Bleu-Blanc-Rouge and the Kingston Canadians.
===Sources===
* I have used the media guides from the OHL & QMJHL, as well as roster and players statistics from www.hockeydb.com & www.legendsofhockey.net
* Could someone please provide concrete evidence to explain this from citing a book, newspaper article, repuatable web site, or quote a reputable person?  
Thanks alot !! Flibirigit 16:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would imagine that the Kingston Canadians are an expansion team, separate from the Jr. Canadiens. Perhaps the OHL media guide was implying that it was re-activated in much of the same way the Cleveland Barons of the AHL were the re-incarnation of the Cleveland Barons of the NHL, or that the Toronto Marlies of the AHL are a re-incarnation of the Toronto Marlboros of the OHL. The one season hiatus in between the extinction of the Jr. Canadiens and the start of the Kingston Canadians also seems to point in the direction that they aren't the same franchises. On Hockey Draft Central , it says Ian Turnbull remained in the OMJHL (he played with the Ottawa 67's the next season) when his Jr. Canadiens moved to the QMJHL, thus becoming the bleu, rouge and blanc or whatever. Andre St. Laurent, another player from the same time, moved to the Red-White-Blue after playing for the Jr. Canadiens, and it says nothing about a transaction involving him in Hockey Draft Central, and it would have made mention of a trade or change of his property, but in the fact it says nothing probably implies that the Jr. Canadiens just moved into the QMJHL with a new name. It also makes sense in that this was the time of the increased use of the NHL Amateur Draft, and players could no longer sign that C-Form when they were 14 or 15 that said they belonged to the Habs or the Maple Leafs or whoever. So thus it wouldn't make sense to call the team the Jr. Canadiens anymore, since players from that team could be drafted by any team, in the NHL, so that might have been the reasoning for the name change. Hope this helps.  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go  22:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kingston Canadians / Montreal Jr. Canadiens 

message: * I have used the media guides from the OHL & QMJHL, as well as roster and players statistics from www.hockeydb.com & www.legendsofhockey.net
* Could someone please provide concrete evidence to explain this from citing a book, newspaper article, repuatable web site, or quote a reputable person?  
Thanks alot !! Flibirigit 16:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would imagine that the Kingston Canadians are an expansion team, separate from the Jr. Canadiens. Perhaps the OHL media guide was implying that it was re-activated in much of the same way the Cleveland Barons of the AHL were the re-incarnation of the Cleveland Barons of the NHL, or that the Toronto Marlies of the AHL are a re-incarnation of the Toronto Marlboros of the OHL. The one season hiatus in between the extinction of the Jr. Canadiens and the start of the Kingston Canadians also seems to point in the direction that they aren't the same franchises. On Hockey Draft Central , it says Ian Turnbull remained in the OMJHL (he played with the Ottawa 67's the next season) when his Jr. Canadiens moved to the QMJHL, thus becoming the bleu, rouge and blanc or whatever. Andre St. Laurent, another player from the same time, moved to the Red-White-Blue after playing for the Jr. Canadiens, and it says nothing about a transaction involving him in Hockey Draft Central, and it would have made mention of a trade or change of his property, but in the fact it says nothing probably implies that the Jr. Canadiens just moved into the QMJHL with a new name. It also makes sense in that this was the time of the increased use of the NHL Amateur Draft, and players could no longer sign that C-Form when they were 14 or 15 that said they belonged to the Habs or the Maple Leafs or whoever. So thus it wouldn't make sense to call the team the Jr. Canadiens anymore, since players from that team could be drafted by any team, in the NHL, so that might have been the reasoning for the name change. Hope this helps.  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go  22:17, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: I looked around here, and I don't see any announcements here or on the NHL talk page that there was a change to the format of the team info boxes.  When did this occur, and where was it announced?  I've fixed up the Edmonton Oilers' page, but it strikes me that this is kind of annoying to do for all 30 teams, especially ones with long histories, and more importantly, makes the template way the hell too long, again, especially for the teams with long histories.  I mean, that's four extra fields that now eats into the Oilers' (admittedly small) WHA history section--and this is a club that's only been in the NHL for 26 years.  If this was a consensus reached among TPTB, then whatever, but I couldn't find any hint that a change was in the works.  Doogie2K 04:37, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Blame 152.3.46.49. I say just revert it:  ccwaters 14:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Just did. ccwaters 14:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Gotta love those over enthusiastic IP addresses... now if only an anonymous editor would complete team histories for me... LOL Flibirigit 14:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome--glad I didn't delete the stuff when I entered it, but commented it out. ;) Doogie2K 15:37, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes to team info box... 

message: Alright... does anybody know what happened to the Ontario Provincial Junior "A" League, known in the 80's and early 90's as the Ontario Hockey Association, between the years of 1988 and 1993?  I cannot find a list of champions... but I know it existed... possibly not at the Jr. A level.  If it was Junior "B"... who were the champs during those years?  Why did they not compete for the Sutherland Cup?  I'm really confused... can anyone shed some light?  DMighton 20:08, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: OPJHL

message: Here's a fresh idea for those stats that we don't want updated mid-season. Why don't we put one of those little disclaimers that don't show up in the article but only in the edit box saying something along the lines of "Please refrain from updating the statistics until the completion of the regular season" and put it on the top and/or bottom of the stats segments. Does that sound good?  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 16:39, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds great to me...just throw it in HTML comments (aka < ! - - without all them there spaces in between)  RasputinAXP  c  17:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Come to that, I've been considering putting a similar tagged disclaimer in the Hall of Fame sections saying "Do not edit this before seeing the Team Pages Format and discussing your intent in the Talk page."  I say go for it.  Ravenswing 18:32, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I will do that, its been most bugging me with those top-ten scorers for each franchise list I put on, because people feel they need to update it, and since players totals for individual teams are harder to compile, it makes it a little Messier (no pun intended).  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 02:25, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Drumroll for the pun.....BOOOOOOOOOOOURNS!! Flibirigit 02:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well I put it on all the franchise top-ten scorers list, and in the List of 1000 point scorers and List of 500 goal scorers. Those were the the things that those updaters were bugging me the most, if you have an annoying peeve with them somewhere else, feel free to put a disclaimer in yourself. (Hans Moleman: "I was saying Boo-urns!")  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 02:49, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just so I am clear, your qualm is only with statistics such as regular season standngs, playoff standings, and specific player statistics, correct?  Which means that rosters are still open and understandably altered throughout the season as players are injured, sent down, called up, etc., right?--Resident Lune 01:12, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah updating rosters are fine and should be encouraged.  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 01:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating Stats Argument 

message: I have nominated all of the CHL "alumni" categories for deletion to be renamed to "player" categories.  If you have an opinion on this matter, please comment here.  -- JamesTeterenko 19:42, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I vaguely remember seeing a guideline/policy on sport figure articles that said they are wiki notable only if they reached the highest level of play (ie NHL). So we shouldn't see any current major junior players, only those that passed through to the big time. I really don't care, but I think that where Flibirigit is coming from. Now about that user that created an article for anyone who ever suited up for the Saginaw Spirit :) ... ccwaters 20:16, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't mind seeing all the un-notable Spirit players deleted but the CHL alumni category should not be deleted, renamed, or otherwise touched. BoojiBoy 20:19, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

text: As far as every Player that played for the Spirit.. I thought it a bit excessive, but as opposed to deleting it,  I moved all those article links from the Saginaw Spirit Team Page to its own page, it was just toooo long. Flibirigit 21:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Clarification: the guideline at WP:BIO states Sportspeople who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in an individual professional sport, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports, including college sports in the United States. Articles about first team squad members who have not made a first team appearance may also be appropriate, but only if the individual is at a club of sufficient stature that most members of its squad already have articles. So for hockey players, they are wiki notable if they have played professionally. Of course there are always exceptions like hot prospects (Jordan Staal, Phil Kessel, etc)... ccwaters 20:29, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree. It is also OK to have categories of "Team A Players" for current players such as the hot prospects mentioned, but they should be moved to alumni as soon as the player graduates. BoojiBoy 21:20, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I created all those alumni categories a few months ago (a lot of work), and I do agree with Flibirigit, BoojiBoy, and Ccwaters in that it should stay alumni. That's what the purpose of the categories were to list players that graduated to the NHL level. That's my opinion.  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 02:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree; look, they don't let you play in juniors beyond a certain age.  The word for former participants in a situation like that is "alumni".  Ravenswing 14:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CHL alumni categories 

message: I have done a lot of work populating the Ontario Hockey League Arenas and the Quebec Major Juior Hockey League Arenas categories. Yesterday I started working on the Western Hockey League Arenas category and have populated it as well. The OHL and QMJHL categories are more or less complete to the best of my knowledge - I know of one missing O and two missing Q rinks, which I will create soon - but I have two questions about the WHL category that I'm hoping someone who knows the Dub better than I do can answer.  
1, has Rexall Place ever been used by the WHL? I know the Oil Kings played at Edmonton Gardens and the Ice played at the Northlands Agricom, but am not sure about the NHL building. In some ways this question will be redundant since the new WHL expansion team will play there, but I would like to know if we can add it to the category now. I suppose we can add it under future but I would still like to know if it is past as well.
2, An article in the Brandon Sun says the Wheat City Arena was demolished in 1969, and the Keystone Centre was built in 1972 according to the venue's website. Where did the Wheat Kings play between 1969-72, or is either source wrong? (Both sources are on the individual arena pages.) BoojiBoy 18:10, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To the best of my knowledge, Rexall Place has not hosted a WHL team.  The Ice played in Northlands Agricom, and as you mentioned, the Oil Kings played at the Gardens.  It is possible that the second incarnation of the Oil Kings (which lasted only one season: 1978-79) played there, but I do not know. I can't imagine the Oilers would have been all that happy to have the competition in the same building. Resolute 21:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Gardens was torn down after the Coliseum opened as far as I know, so the 78-79 Oil Kings probably played there. At any rate I have added it to the category since the new Edmonton WHL team has already been announced as playing there. BoojiBoy 00:56, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WHL Arenas

message: What does everyone think about making a template for players that show their career highs in stats? KD Rules 05:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I made something along those lines a while back, see Bob MacMillan. There are a few pages where that is used. But that is more temporary than anything, as hopefully someone with a lot of time on his hands will come along and extend those into complete career statistics tables, a la Mike Gartner. I don't know what purpose a template would serve if the full career statistics are already there.  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 03:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template 

message: I nominated one of our members, Ravenswing, for adminship yesterday, and I feel I had to put a message in here for people to vote as the users in this WikiProject are the ones that deal with him the most on Wikipedia. I'd appreciate it, and I'm sure he would, if you would vote on the matter. I'm not trying to rally everybody to vote "support", cuz your vote is obviously your choice, I just think it would be best that users here contribute to the discussion. See Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ravenswing. Thank You.  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 18:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hah, beat you :P  RasputinAXP  c  18:49, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Heh, and the anonymous sockpuppets are kicking in as well (although there's little doubt which charming friend of WikiHockey it is).  That aside, thanks for your support and input, folks.  Ravenswing 19:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hey, as long as I get your support if I'm ever put up for admin ;)  RasputinAXP  c  19:35, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's a safe bet with no backscratching involved; you're a dedicated and skilled editor.  Ravenswing 20:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adminship 

message: It looks like a lot of teams have "rivals" sections now, near the top. Are those really necessary? I think they might be a little POV. Buchanan-Hermit™..SCREAM!!!.... 03:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do think a rivals section is beneficial, however nowadays it has become POV (Toronto and Atlanta? C'mon). I would say the rivalries have to be obvious, like Toronto/Montreal, Toronto/Ottawa, Edmonton/Calgary, Boston/Montreal, Detroit/Colorado etc... Perhaps standards could be imposed to define "rival", whethers is because of geographical proximity, or a series of punch-ups spaced close together, or they seem to meet each other all the time in the playoffs. Something along those lines.  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 14:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if Edmonton-Dallas doesn't count, I dunno what does.  These guys have played each other in six of the last eight playoffs--limited only by a pair of playoff misses by one or both participants--and going back even further, the last time both clubs made the playoffs without playing each other was 1990, when the Stars were in Minnesota. Doogie2K 16:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  And then this year they go without playing each other.  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 02:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  So far.  You're assuming Edmonton can't beat Detroit. ;-)  Doogie2K (talk)  02:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  That's not it at all, I'm assuming Dallas can't beat Colorado!  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 02:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say do away with the whole rivals listings on team pages. The article about rivalries is fine though, since you actually have to substaniate the rivalries which are claimed to exist, rather than just add the entire Eastern Conference as the rivals of the Carolina Hurricanes - a slight exaggeration of something I zapped earlier this year --Legalizeit 16:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rivals 

message: Just created Miracle on Manchester about the NHL greatest NHL playoff combck, and added it to the List of sporting comebacks. Kevlar67 06:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Page: Miracle 

message: Every article on conferences and divisions only talk about divisional alignment, division champions, and teams that have won the Cup from that division, all of which could be inferred from either individual team pages or season pages.  Divisions and conferences are otherwise not notable when they are created internal to a league (as opposed to say, American Football Conference and Canadian Football League West Division, which were merged into the NFL and CFL respectively).  I can't see why these pages would be necessary, and how you could make them remotely encyclopedic. kelvSYC 14:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it really necessary to have an article on each division and conference? 

message: Do we really need to dedicate a separate article on the Stanley Cup playoffs?  Why not incorporate them into the main season pages?  After all, a season isn't over until the playoffs are over and the Cup is awarded. kelvSYC 14:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The playoff pages were created since certain contributors (mostly IP address) felt it absolutely necessary to make daily updates. Those playoffs sections are often taking up more space on article than the history and league information, and overall were detracting from the main article about the league. See: Ontario Hockey League. Although I do not think playoffs are a necessity, it keeps some contributors involved, and information is stored to make a season page in the future. Flibirigit 14:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was looking at the 2006 Stanley Cup Playoffs page, and I wanted to update it (now that the seeds in the Western Conference are finalized), so I looked for a previous playoffs page to compare it to, and as far as I can tell, it's the first one. Is there a plan to do pages for all the past Stanley Cup Playoffs? For every other year, it's just a subsection on the main season page. I feel that since Wikipedia articles are not news reports, it's not necessary to have a separate page when we could simply follow the old format, which merely reported on who won each series with a brief overview at the top of the section. The Disco King 19:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there was a 1993 playoffs page that was so sparse on data it was eventually merged with the main season page.  Our existing format does not allow for a separate page on the playoffs - it might be a holdover from other sports (Major League Baseball articles have separate articles for each round).  And even our playoff sections are inconsistent - some only list the Stanley Cup Final, some list the final scores of each game, and some only list the number of games won and the number of goals scored.  I have to admit NHL season articles are pretty bad (Canadian Football League season articles are worse, though). kelvSYC 05:59, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Yet, I'd also like to add that we do have the incentive to keep a separate page for the Stanley Cup playoffs - one is that it is not synonymous to the NHL playoffs, and another is that the 2006 one is surprisingly well written for a page with nothing but data on it.  kelvSYC 19:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playoff Pages 

message: Just a notice to those who work on OHL-related stuff - the correct name of the team is Mississauga IceDogs, not Mississauga Ice Dogs. The alumni category (:Category:Mississauga Ice Dogs alumni) is incorrectly named and will have to be moved; we can't do it while the current moving debate is going on but once that process is over it should be nominated for a speedy move. Be sure and use the correct notation in your articles when appropriate. BoojiBoy 15:21, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mississauga IceDogs 

message: Please visit here and vote to rename the Hamilton Steelhawks category so it matches up with the other CHL alumni categories. The nomination to rename all categories failed and this orphan should be brought back into line with the rest of the cats. BoojiBoy 03:23, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Steelhawks Naming Conventions

message: Alright, a little fun here, who do you guys have pegged for the Stanley Cup this year? My Pick(s) is the San Jose Sharks, with the Sens and the Flames being the two back-up picks. Is it possible to find consensus?  Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go 03:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gotta go with the Flames.  The Stars are scary.  Nobody in the east truely terrifies me as a Flames fan, except for the fact that everyone is so soft out east, while the western champ is going to have to suffer three grueling rounds. Resolute 03:42, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I've set Detroit and Ottawa all year.  However, with Hasek gone and the Sharks red hot, I think it will boil down to Sharks and Flyers.  Who am I rooting for?  Well, my beloved Canucks are enjoying the course now, so I'm going with Buffalo because they are the most exciting team to watch. -- Thricecube 22:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playoff Picks 

message: What's with the sudden conversion from plain text to logos all of a sudden?  Do we really need a San Jose Sharks logo next to Jonathan Cheechoo when we write about him as a member of the Sharks?  And why in some recent playoff series boxes we have the same two logos repeated up to seven times?  Once is enough, and those should only be in the standings boxes.  Plain text should suffice for every other instance.  Using logos too much will degrade the quality of all our articles.  kelvSYC 06:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo Overuse 

message: This issue was brought up on the Ottawa Senators article by me.  See here The issue is that the [NHL Stats] page and the actual [NHL Standings] page are showing up with inconsistant information. They do not seem to be counting the Goals For/Against when a shoot out is involved. It is my beleif that they do this as it was said the extra goal is only to be counted to show the win.
We need to come up with a concensus as to how to count this. I for one would point to the actual Stats page rather than the standings one as the stats show a more accurate depiction of the actual scoring. --Maraulth 14:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that only the league standings page reflects the SO-GWG.  All other stats pages disregard the shootout "goal".  On that basis, I would exclude shootout goals from all stats pages but the overall league standings.  However, I despise the shootout, and would like to see any mention or record of it eliminated.  But that wouldnt really be NPOV, would it?  ;o)  Resolute 23:43, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NHL Stats: Goals For/Against + Shoot Out Goals 

message: On the 2006 Stanley Cup Playoffs page, we have been dis-satisfied with the current bracket since it implies that teams move along the bracket linearly like in basketball instead of being re-seeded like they are in professional hockey.  To address that, I modified the current template to better match what we needed.  I am considering other format changes, but none that would break the bracket if it is used as presented.  Take a look, the bracket is here and the instructions/infobox code is here. --Z4ns4tsu 18:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not bad, but personally, I dont see the necessity.  For the WHL playoffs, I simply reorganized the first round as needed to have the 2nd round matchups flow properly.  I like the lines as they show a direct path from one series to the next.  I think a simple note stating that teams are reseeded after the first round would suffice. Resolute 23:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NHL Playoffs

message: Hello guys, I elected to start an article for the Greater Metro Junior A Hockey League, anybody heard of this yet?  DMighton 05:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Junior "A" League

message: I just added my name to your list of semi active people.  I hope that I did everything right.  If you have questions just ask me.  John R G 05:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New User John R G 

message: While going through my Watchlist today, I saw that a specific IP went through each and every one of the NHL teams and, going by what they described their first edit as, "Updated former Soviet block countries".  Now I'm not really sure what to make of this mass editing.  Sure, countries change their names and break off from other countries, however for all intents and purposes, a player like Sergei Federov was born in the U.S.S.R., since it was called U.S.S.R. at the time, and not Russia.
Any chance of getting any sort of concensus here?--Resident Lune 15:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The consensus is not merely here, nor merely Wikipedia-wide, but is a widely-held practice in encyclopedias in general: that being that the country of birth listed is the de jure political entity extant at that particular location and at the time of birth.  Therefore, a fellow born in Transcarpathia in 1937 would be listed as having been born in Czechoslovakia, no matter that for almost all of his life his home town would have been in the Soviet Union and would currently be in Ukraine.  Ravenswing 15:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia:Proper names#Place names dictates that U.S.S.R. should be used in such cases. "Many place names have a historical context that should be preserved, but common sense should prevail. There can be few places that have not been parts of more than one culture or have had only one name. An article about Junipero Serra should say he lived in Alta Mexico not the U.S. state of California because the latter entity did not exist at the time of Junipero Serra. The Romans invaded Gaul, not France, and Thabo Mbeki is the president of the Republic of South Africa, not of the Cape Colony. To be clear, you may sometimes need to mention the current name of the area (for example "what is now France"), especially if no English name exists for that area in the relevant historical period." See also Mikhail Gorbachev, for example. All edits by that IP address should be reverted. BoojiBoy 20:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Masterhatch 06:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text: When you think if it, if you were born in Canada and next year they, for god knows what reason (Harper maybe?!), changed the country name to something else, where would you be from originally? Where would you have been born? Canada of course, so this is something that I have to agree with when it comes down to country names at time of birth. -- Eric B ( T • C • W ) 11:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of Birth Questions and Issues 

message: There hasn't been much discussion about the infobox recently. I assume that the proposal is accepted as is, and we can add it to the project templates for use articles. Any comments? Flibirigit 02:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Follow Up action 

message: Now that I am a member what kinds of things can I do to help out ice hockey on wikipedia.  I would just like some information.  Thank you.  John R G 05:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are lots of things to be done!! 1. looking for and removing vandalism, 2. Expanding player article stubs, 3. Fixing miss-guided links, especially with players. 4. Copy-editing artikles with badd sspeling an grammer in thoze. Masterhatch 05:49, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just so you know John R G if you ever have any questions about anything regarding editing hockey articles, feel free to ask me at my talk page or any other user who is in the active section of the WikiProject... you could also help with Categories for player articles, providing career statistics tables in player articles and all the things Masterhatch mentioned above. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 04:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What can I do 

message: I reverted the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League article back to the non-imaged version. The pictures as used were decoration and don't fall under the approprate policy for fair use. As we've seen in the past (go look at the diacritic versus non-diacritic arguements) we can't set WP:HOCKEY policy that is different from overall en-wiki policy. Personally, I would suggest the following, provided Ed agrees that this is legal (and BD as well): go to the store and personally take pictures of each logo. The picture can then be uploaded as GFDL usage. It's a project and a half, but it would seem we have no other choice if we'd like to continue using the team logos as we are.
That said, it's going to be difficult to do for teams in leagues like the QMJHL so we'll have to be creative in other ways.  RasputinAXP  c 02:52, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be a derivative work, and as such, still protected by copyright unfortunately. ed g2s • talk 08:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: QMJHL reversion

message: Alright... all of the current CJAHL leagues are done as well as the OHA Jr. "B" teams.  I am tired and will hit the sack, probably will continue tomorrow.
What is left is the EOJBHL, TBJBHL, all Ontario Jr. C leagues, Jr. D, Ontario Senior, Canada-wide Junior "B" and Canada-wide Junior "C".  I guess when that is done that I'll move on to box lacrosse.  DMighton 06:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: All of Ontario is done except governing bodies, the SOJHL, MLH, EOSHL, and WOAA.  I hope to do these overnight, then move to the Maritimes later this week.  DMighton 20:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Operation Clean-Up

message: Added and checked all external links for the teams in the SPHL. John R G 01:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   SPHL 

message: From what I understand it is our policy to include NHL stats totals at the bottom of career stats tables, as well as leagues of arguably equal calibre (WHA, for example). I've noticed Cs-wolves in particular has been adding stats totals for every single league a player has played in, no matter what level (we're talking Junior B and Midget AAA...), no matter how many games played (one game in the AHL was enough for him to make an AHL Totals, in one article).
Refresh my memory: it is still our policy to include only NHL totals, right? --93JC 02:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've always made an effort to include the European leagues when I do stats. However, I never add a totals row if he's only played one season (you can just read off the stats from that season) and I've generally avoided the North American leagues from the minor level. I would not be in favour of including only NHL totals, because many players have made significant impacts outside the NHL and besides, it's too North America-centric. WHL, AHL, maybe. But not junior, midget, etc. A suggested standard from me would be for all professional leagues where the player had more than one season. --Legalizeit 11:09, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career stats totals 

message: Added and checked all the links for the [CHL].  The only problem was the oklahoma City Blazers site.  I dont think it is working anymore.  John R G 05:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CHL 

message: I started a site for the WHA Super Junior League.John R G 18:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to a friend of mine in Tampa, it did exist, and did play some games.  How many were played, who played, where they were played?  Who knows?  I'll have to pick his brain to see if this league actually will continue to exist.  Resolute 22:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHA Super Junior League 

message: I added and checked all the external links for the UHL. The Bloomington Prairie Thunder are the only team that does not have a home page yet.  John R G 05:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UHL 

message: I have started doing some updates on the Frölunda HC. Since I'm biased I would like too have an outside opinion about what too write about them. What should be on Wikipedia? So far I have only added the current roster during the silly season and team captains. Some changes need too be made to the text on the page. 
If you search on Frolunda Indians, Frolunda HC or Frolunda you don't get any search results. How can I  (or does an admin do this?) add so if you search on these words that you get directed to the page? I can't imagine english speaking people using Å, Ä, Ö when they search. What is the best solution to this problem?   Krm500
:I have created the redirects (which will automatically go to the appropriate page if you search on that term).  So, they are there now.  I read through the page quickly, and it seems fine.  Welcome aboard!  If you want to know more about redirects, see Wikipedia:redirect.  -- JamesTeterenko 21:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SEL teams and league 

message: I created a template infobox for ice hockey teams. It supports both standard and alternate logo, and all but three parametres are optional.
It can be found here. 
Examples are found on the talk page.
Nehle 15:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ice hockey team template 

message: I was gonna do try and do something along these lines for the WikiProject Page, but there would be too much red tape in doing it and getting people to vote on things and such. So I just did it on my user page. What I did is I followed basically the same format as the Main Page, only did it for hockey. So it includes a featured hockey article, a whack of interesting did-you-knows (all that I can source), and also provides an in-the-news section as well. I thought it turned out pretty well, and I would invite anybody to take a peak at it... its something I'll try and maintain and change every few days or so. It helps to increase general hockey knowledge, and many of the did-you-knows aren't even in actual Wikipedia articles. If you'd like to take a look at it, just click here. Thanks. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 18:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the beginning of a portal for ice hockey? I like. --Legalizeit 12:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh I never thought about an ice hockey portal. That's good thinking. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 15:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

text: This rocks.  Ravenswing 16:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Looking good-- Eric B ( T • C • W ) 21:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Well good, its what I was going for... Just so you know I have hundreds of those "did-you-knows" ready to put in from personal research, so there won't be any copies, and I'll put them in an archive so people can see them after they've been taken off. The featured article will be changed every week, and the news will be updated every few days or so... I might add another part too, but yeah, thanks for the support and since people like it I'll keep doing it. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 00:19, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a lil advertising 

message: It took me a chunk of last night and today, but I reverted, rolled back and removed the logos from every NHL team's entry. Whosoever puts those stupid 25 pixel logos back in there will witness great vengeance and furious anger rained upon them. Fair use only applies to when we use it once as illustration, not as pretty little decorations. I will take a deep breath now.  RasputinAXP  c 20:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Make sure you don't lose any information when you're cleaning up. I had to revert your edits to St. John's Fog Devils and then re-do the table to keep the information about where each player was drafted from in the expansion draft. BoojiBoy 14:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logos on EVERY LINE in season records 

message: I added a championship table to the San Diego Gulls site.  I would like to know if that is something you like before I do other teams like San Diego Gulls.  John R G 04:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just an FYI for your next post... use the  and  brackets to linkify the page you are mentioning. IE: San Diego Gulls will output: San Diego Gulls -- Eric B ( T • C • W ) 22:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: San Diego Gulls

message: I've been toying with the idea of creating a new category, and article called Hockey in Calgary, which would act as a timeline of hockey's history in Calgary, and help bring all of of the hockey pages together for this city. Im undecided on how to format it however. I am not sure if I want to go with a straight chronologial order, or divide the page between professional, amateur and junior hockey. Right now I am leaning towards the latter.  Anyone have any suggestions or input on how to improve this concept? Resolute 00:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hockey in x

message: Hi there, new to the group, been working on OHL pages, etc.
Can someone please clear up..... 
the different Team Canadas,,, and the World Junior Championships.
right now there are:
2005 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships (actually, one for each year) with links to Ice Hockey World Championships.  I think the Ice Hockey World Championships is the adult men's one,, not the juniors.  The juniors play in Dec/Jan, and this Ice Hockey World Championships is for the tourney in Riga, Latvia that just happened.  Can someone clear this up and make an overall "World Junior Championships" article (that all the specific year ones can link to)? Also, maybe the Hockey Canada page could list the different Team Canada types.  I'm just not that familiar with the different levels. I did create World U-17 hockey challenge (and will maybe get to U-18), but thought I'd put in the request for someone who knows this stuff to do it,, plus you may already have plans in the works for this anyway.  Feel free to blow it off, just thought I'd ask.   :)
PS -- GO PETES GO !!! (couldn't resist)
:I'll start World Junior Ice Hockey Championships ASAP.  RasputinAXP  c 16:52, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Err, oops.  Looks like we were working on a redundant article: Ice Hockey World Junior Championships Resolute 17:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Not a bad idea.  I'll try to help out with these clarifications as well. Resolute 02:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IIHF, World Junior Championships, Team Canada Men's Team, Team Canada World jrs 

message: Would it be necessry to create a page with all 50 goal seasons. I have a book which lists all 50 goal seasons in history as well as the game no., team game no., opposing goaltender etc. The book also has a section that lists all 100 point seasons.
:I don't feel we need it; WP:NOT and all.  RasputinAXP  c 21:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would assume that that is the NHL Official Guide & Record Book that you possess. There are pages like that for 500 goals and 1000 points, but if you are really willing to make a quality (and I stress quality) page, then by all means go for it. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 18:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  50 Goal Seasons 

message: I need your help guys. It seems some people don't know how brackets work. No admitedly, the NHL doesn't use a bracket system, but some media sources use a bracket to illustrate the NHL playoffs. Wikipedia does the same. For some reason though, some users think that the bracket should be ordered by seed, thus messing up the next round. You expect to see Ottawa vs Tampa next to Buffalo vs Philadelphia because Buffalo and Ottawa played eachother in the second round. However, some think that Carolina and Montreal should be next because of seeds. This is misleading, because normally in such charts this would mean that Carolina would play Ottawa, which didn't happen, and would lead to some confusion and probable vandalism in the future. Straw poll is here Talk:2006_Stanley_Cup_Playoffs#Straw_Poll -- Earl Andrew - talk 07:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NHL playoffs straw poll. 

message: Please read Talk:2006 Memorial Cup and vote. BoojiBoy 01:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Memorial Cup Round-Robin Standings