Talk:Western Sahara/Archive 5

message: A "self-published" map being used in this article (anonymous author, uploaded by "IAMTHEEGGMAN" , see File history) is a primary source and cannot legitimately be used as a secondary source in this article  according to the Reliable sources guideline and the Verifiability policy. I therefore deleted it.S710 20:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the image used was not even that uploaded by IAMTHEEGGMAN. See Talk:Free Zone (region) for an expalnation of the source. --Robdurbar 09:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Map

message: * This is new to me!!, I thought that the result of the referendum would be known only after the counting of the casted ballots, but here Arre is inserting non-sense about the result being decided just according to the voters lists. If you are in Tindouf you will vote for the Polisario, and if you are in Layoune and had been on the spanish sensus you will also be voting for the Polisario. I understand why Morocco decided to drop the option of the referendum altogether, any result other than independence would not have been accepted and eventually those pronostics and future-telling added by Arre would be the proof that Morocco "falsified" the results.
* There is no mention of the appeal process that allows the persons to appeal the decisions of excluding them from the voters lists, and that right has been used and showed that many have been unfairly excluded.
* There is no mention that the Polisario has for decades insisted on the Spanish list alone, and refused any addition of any sahrawi not found in it. That excluded the father of Mohammed Abdelaziz who had moved to the north of Morocco decades before 1975, and logically excludes the president of the RASD himself.
* The Assa paragraph is restored with word "some" instead of "many". It seems that ten out of twenty-five is not many. Salem Tamek was refused and excluded from the registration as a voter on the basis that he is a "Moroccan". Now he is the official spokesman of the Sahrawi human rights activists, and a hailed figure by the Polisario as a true Sahrawi. That is something to think about for Mr. Arre, and is more worth mentionning than the future-telling goofy stuff that Arre added.
* The position of the parties about who is responsible for the hindring of the referendum are presented neutrally, and all the future-telling does not have a place in an encyclopedia.--A Jalil 15:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If my additions were not sourced, you're welcome to complain. If they are, on the other hand, better to bring another source that you feel is more trustworthy, and juxtapose them for the reader to decide. The Sahrawi independence movement does not consist of 25 persons, and I don't know where you get either the number 10 or 25. There is lots of independence activism in Assa, true, and AST is an important figure (though not "official spokesman" of any sort) who did, ironically, not fit the Spanish Census requirements -- he has commented on that himself on several occasions. But there is plenty more independence activism in El Aaiun, which is also far bigger. Not to mention Tindouf... so to imply that the independence activism is an Assa thing, is clearly wrong. I will however add something about the Spanish census -- I thought that was in there. I distinctly remember writing about it long ago. Arre 23:27, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stalling of the peace process

message: Given the tedious little djihad over this subject has renewed, I believe it useful to direct all potential editors to the new report on the conflict issued (first report actually) by the internationally respected International Crisis Group, which should be accessible here: http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=4892&l=1 The report pokes sticks in just about everyone's eyes, and for my money is perhaps the best reference point for a neutral, encyclopedia article - for this article and the attendant little exagerated universe of articles around it. Something better at least than the ceaseless partisan political editing at least. collounsbury 14:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Reference Point

message: Hello everyone! There is a discussion at List of countries by formation dates that concernes Western Sahara. It relates to the fact that some users include former colonies (such as Algeria or Western Sahara) in the columm for the last territorial changes of their respective colonial power, and this because "formely" such colonies were considered "provinces". I believe this discussion and its result may interest you. Thank you! The Ogre (talk) 20:33, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:List_of_countries_by_formation_dates#Algeria_a_French_province.3F_Well..._go_ask_the_Algerians.21.21.21|List of countries by formation dates]] 

message: I would like to see a more credible citation than what is used as a justification for listing Spanish as one of Western Sahara's "Recognised regional languages".  By the way, you have a typo; it should be "Recognized".  The citation is "Instituto Cervantes"
http://hispanismo.cervantes.es/faq.asp#105 which is a somewhat sketchy web page with several grammatical errors itself and barely mentions Western Sahara as a Spanish speaking country.  The CIA World Factbook on the other hand doesn't mention Spanish as a language in Western Sahara (even though the Spanish did attempt a colony), so I have to think that the Spanish speaking population is quite minimal.  The Factbook lists Hassaniya Arabic and Moroccan Arabic as the countries two languages https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/wi.html.  Please find a more suitable reference that gives an idea about the size of the Spanish speaking population or consider removing it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.181.250.7 (talk) 16:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Spanish should be deleted. Morocco doesn't assign any specific legislation to Western Sahara, so the only officially recognized language there is the one recognized in Morocco, and that is Arabic (note that although French is treated as a co-official language in every way, it does not have legal status as such, and Spanish, however respected and sometimes considered the fourth language of the country, after Arabic, French and Berber, hasn't either). The Polisario may or may not consider Spanish as a co-official language, but that would only refer to the Polisario-controlled zones and has no effect on the territory depicted on the map. Unless, of course, you consider that, since the political status is not resolved, Spanish colonial law still applies legally, but that has no practical effect. So much for the official status; for the language in use, wether recognized or not, I can tell that many older sahrawis still speak fluently Spanish, but of course they have no opportunity to use it anywhere unless they meet a Spanish tourist. We should put better "Arabic and Hassaniya", the latter is an Arabic dialect/language which is the mother tongue of all Sahrawis and is recognized more or less in the same way as the Maghrebi Arabic in (the rest of) Morocco, i.e. it can be used in oral official instances, however it is almost never written. --Ilyacadiz (talk) 20:42, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor Citation 

message: The icon for this article is way out of place in Google Earth.  It is in the middle of a zoo in Madrid, Spain.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.253.180.125 (talk) 19:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Severely misplaced icon in google earth 

message: "In the Middle Ages, the Almohads and Almoravids movements and dynasties both originated in the Saharan regions and were able to control the area." The Almohad region of origin was in the Atlas Mountains, The Almoravid came from the region round Wadi Noun (near Goulimin). That's not Western Sahara.S711 (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't say Western Sahara, it says "in the Saharan regions".  I think the point was to mention two dynasties which controlled the area, regardless of their origin. ¦ Reisio (talk) 21:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Of course the Atlas mountains are sort of part of the Sahara… part of the range even being explicitly called the "Saharan Atlas".  Not sure what you're thinking. ¦ Reisio (talk) 02:37, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

text: I didn't say they came from the Saharan Atlas.  Find someone else who thinks the area doesn't qualify as "Saharan", or change "originated in" to "originated near" — no need to delete it all (not for any reason on the whole you've stated thus far, anyways). ¦ Reisio (talk) 16:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Like I said, change a word or two and it's all over with. ¦ Reisio (talk) 18:49, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Never said it was.  ¦ Reisio (talk) 15:29, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Almoravids and Almohads

message: I am a bit confused when I read the section about culture. I have the impression that the unionist sahraouis are not sahraouis and that those living in Tindouf camps south Algeria are more sahraouis than those living in the Western Sahara region. The sahraouis living in Tindouf camps are relatives to the sahraouis living in the Western Sahara region. They are broders, sisters, cousins, uncles and aunts. Well, this page is biased and the owner of this page knows that both the communities are from the same families and the same tribes. The aim from this page is definitely to make wikipedia readers confused on the situation of the western sahara region. In such case, I would really appreciate to mention that the unionist sahraouis are promoting the culture of the region on the web at the following url http://www.sahara-culture.com. I believe it's the unique reference of the hassanie culture on the Web.--Moroccansahraoui (talk) 14:11, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In such case, you should change the text to mention that the hassani culture also concerns the unionist sahraouis in the Western Sahara region. FYI, the term OCCUPIED Western Sahara is used by the supporters of Polisario Front. There is no mention to occupation in UN resolutions or SG reports on the Western Sahara region.--Moroccansahraoui (talk) 13:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What I propose is to put an external link in this page to SADR page where this flag is. SADR is the Polisario Front republic backed in Algeria. Doing this will keep the Western Sahara without flag as it's not a sovereign country but keep the flag associated to the republic. In the list of sovereign countries page, this flag is associated to SADR and not to Western Sahara.--Moroccansahraoui (talk) 20:27, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is saying that hassanie culture is exclusive to Tindouf refugees??? Me not.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 20:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: To make it balanced, the last sentence should refer to "Southern Provinces" page as well otherwise to "Saharawi" page exclusively.--Moroccansahraoui (talk) 19:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture of the Western Sahara region  

message: I propose to mention some words about the autonomy initiative proposed by the kingdom of Morocco to ensure the great reconciliation between the unionist and separatist sahraouis. This proposal was considered by the international community credible and serious to be the basis of negotiations between Morocco and the separatist faction Polisario Front. I believe it makes sense to be mentioned.--Moroccansahraoui (talk) 14:15, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autonomy intitative 

message: I am sorry to say to the owner of this page that there is no pesetas in the Western Sahara region. As Morocco is the administrative authority, Moroccan Dirham is the unique currency in the region.
'.eh' is the Top Level Domain of the Western Sahara region. It's not assigned actually. Polisario Front made a delegation request to the ICANN in 2005. Morocco made a parallel request for '.eh' delegation. The ICANN policy is clear in that matter. The '.eh' will never be delegated as much as the parties are on political conflict. Having said that, '.eh' comes from ISO-3166. ISO-3166 exists since 1974 when the region was under the Spanish protectorate. ICANN refers to ISO-3166 to attribute TLDs to countries and territories. There was no update of this norme regarding the administrative statute of Morocco in the region.--Moroccansahraoui (talk) 14:26, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: False, the so-called liberated territories are under the MINURSO control. Control means administration. There is no Polisario Front administration in this part of the Western Sahara region. It's definitely a no man's land. Again, there is no mention to LIBERATED TERRITORIES or FREE ZONE in UN resolutions or SG reports.--Moroccansahraoui (talk) 13:58, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Ha, ha, how is that?. The MINURSO is located in different towns in Western Sahara, in the Moroccan-occupied part (El Aaiun, Smara...)& the R.A.S.D. part (Tifariti, Bir Lehlou...). So, if what you say is true, there's also NO Moroccan administration in their part. There's also NO mention to Western Sahara as part of Morocco in UN resolutions or SG reports.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 19:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: May I ask please to avoid Ha Ha and similar (that remind me someone elsewhere on Internet but anyway!). We are discussing here a very serious issue. I respect your "wrong or incomplete" information without laughing. You have to do the same. thanks. Regarding the Moroccan administration, let me remind you the last statement made by the UN, the US, France and Spain after the return of the Sahraoui separatist Aminatou Haidar to the Western Sahaar region : the local administration remains Moroccan till the end of the conflict. In the administrative zoning of Morocco, the whole Western Sahara is under the moroccan administration. I have never heard about a SADR/RASD nationality for example. I have never heard about SADR/RASD ID cards. The leaders of Polisario Front are retaining people in Tindouf camps south Algeria so far from the Western Sahara. They are called refugees even if they have no refugee cards from the UNHCR (another contradiction of this conflict). In such case, how could Polisario Front leaders autoproclame a state where they are supposed to be refugees? It's totally aberrant.--Moroccansahraoui (talk) 11:28, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Leaving aside that susceptibility, the last statements about the Sahrawi Human Rights activist Aminetu Haidar made by France & Spain (the US statement by Hillary Clinton says nothing about Moroccan administration, so does the UN statement, read them if you want.) only "take note" on the situation of Moroccan administration of occupied W.S. "Take note" is NOT "recognize". So, please don't make "false assertions" about that. There were SADR ID cards in the 90's, and the  new ones have being made with the support of the Basque government. Not to mention the Spanish Sahara ID's. Polisario Front is NOT retaining anyone, there are thousands of Sahrawis living on Spain or Mauritania, for example, for studying or working, and their families are in Tinduf, and they can visit them with no restrictions. Neither the UN, AU, International Red Cross, Amnesty International support that vile accusations. Also, when I started to know about the Sahrawi people I was missed by the fact of the refugees living in the Hamada (another "wrong or incomplete" information given by you, there are not far from W.S., they are on the nearest to the Western Sahara-Algeria border human settlement, that is Tinduf), that is probably the worst part of the Sahara desert, when they could be on other parts of the inmense Algerian part of the Sahara desert. So, they decided to settle there because it's the first safe place nearest to the border, and also part of the Sahrawi people & culture zones of influence (as Southern Morocco & Northern Mauritania.).
I don't know if they have refugee cards or not, I doubt, ¿do you know if the Rwanda refugees have cards?, ¿The Southern Sudanese perhaps?; what I know is that UNHCR help the refugees from the 80's 'till today, and the IRC and other international organizations from the late 70's. Also, don't manipulate please, when the SADR was proclaimed (27 February 1976, so tomorrow ¡¡¡Happy 34th SADR proclamation anniversary!!!) it was proclaimed BY SAHRAWIS ON SAHRAWI LAND, on Bir Lehlu, so then they weren't refugees. The distance that separates truth from lie is only four fingers.--HCPUNXKID (talk) 18:55, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currency and TLD (.eh) 

message: Hello, i m sorry, i have some problems to speak english. I noticed that in Wikipédia people mixing between Western sahara (a territory) and the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic‎ (proclaimed by the Polisario)  which is an entity. But in the encyclopedia, is used both as if they were the same. According to the UN, In 1990, the General Assembly reaffirmed that the question of Western Sahara was under the decolonization process that the people of Western Sahara had not yet completed. And SADR is an entity not recognized by the UN and only by a number of countries that vary from year to year. The encyclopedia do the flag of the SADR in articles concerning the Western Sahara, which isn't neutral position.--Kafka1 (d) 13:31, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you suggest? Unfortunately I am not familiar with the issues. Do we need to have two separate articles? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have two articles. But the Western sahara is a territory disputed between Morocco and a group called Polisario since 1976. This area is under control of morocco (the control of this area by morocco are not reconized by UN). This group (polisario), proclaims a new country, the Sahrawi Arab  Democratic Republic (unreconized by UN) (with their flags )in the territory of Western sahara. My point is somme peoples take a position for the rebel group and forget one of the principles of the encyclopedia, Neutral point of  view.--Kafka1 (d) 22:21, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I do agree that this page is confused and not balanced.--Moroccansahraoui (talk) 18:25, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's ironic to see Kafka1 preaching for a neutral point of view, why dont do that ALSO in French Wikipedia?--HCPUNXKID (talk) 16:46, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the NPO is definitely justified to differenciate between the Western Sahara region and the SADR republic. The Western Sahara is a territory/region. SADR is an autoproclamed republic taking place in refugee camps south Algeria (far from the Western Sahara territory).--Moroccansahraoui (talk) 11:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Western sahara]]  and [[Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic]] 

message: The external links do not relate unionism in Western Sahara while unionism is a reality in the region. It also should refer to CORCAS page or CORCAS websites : www.corcas.com, www.sahara-online.net, www.sahara-culture.com (Western Sahara culture), www.sahara-villes.com (main cities of Western Sahara), www.sahara-developpement.com (Economic developement of Western Sahara), www.sahara-social.com (Social developement of Western Sahara).--Moroccansahraoui (talk) 19:41, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no feedback from you about my remarks on the external links. All the external links are related to websites supporting the Polisario Front independence claim. This page is supposed to talk about the Western Sahara region. These external links should be in Polisario Front page and not in the Western Sahara page. Where are the unionists sahraouis' websites or websites supporting the moroccan thesis on the Western Sahara. This section is not neutral.--Moroccansahraoui (talk) 18:23, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, there is no reason to not mention websites supporting the moroccan thesis on the Western Sahara region. There are separatists living south Algeria claiming independence but there are also unionists living in the Western Sahara region and supporting autonomy as the ultimate solution to this absurd cold war conflict. I believe a NPO is expected.--Moroccansahraoui (talk) 11:37, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: I removed El Aaiún as capital from the infobox, since that is an endorsement of the SADR POV. According to Morocco, Western Sahara is part of three provinces, and has no capital. --gribeco (talk) 02:56, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital 

message: An article was published a few weeks ago in the Moroccan newspaper "La Vie économique" about the "war of internet" between Morocco and "the Polisario" (Maroc-Polisario : la guerre de l'Internet). Wikipedia is mentioned as one of these battlefields: "l’encyclopédie online, qui avait connu une véritable bataille des définitions dans la page consacrée à l’affaire du Sahara, présente aujourd’hui des articles nettement plus équilibrés qu’il y a quelques mois, malgré la persistance de quelques différences entre une version française neutre, une version hispanophone encore influencée par la version séparatiste des faits, et une version anglophone quelque part entre les deux. Aujourd’hui, dans sa version francophone, on parle davantage du plan d’autonomie tandis que dans la version hispanophone l’on insiste davantage sur l’échec du deuxième plan Baker.". The (pro-Rabat) article makes it clear that there are a lot of institutional propaganda agents from the Moroccan Foreign Affairs and the Corcas who act in this war. This should be kept in mind when dealing with some modifications on the Western Sahara related articles as well as with some "contributors" on these articles (or their talk pages). To be clear, some of them are paid by the Moroccan State to "contribute" on wikipedia. --Pylambert (talk) 08:52, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinated action from Moroccan propaganda agents on wikipedia 

message: While recognizing the Spanish users are very attached to their old colonial spellings, the more common spelling used in English is the transliteration Laayoune (see for example Encyclopedia Brittanica.. Replacing that by the Spanish based orthography is tedious and should stop. This is an English language site. collounsbury (talk) 20:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laayoune / El Aaiun 

message: I removed inaccurate characterisations relative to the Free Trade agreements, and replaced it with more accurate language. Taking the US FTA as an example, whatever the political statements, the actual treaty text is silent as to territorial coverage nor are there any side letters with respect to rules of origin or the like. As such, the oral statements by the former US trade minister are of ambiguous value. As noted in another page, the EFTA statements are from SOME members, and are of unclear policy value relative to the trade bloc as a whole (or even the national customs service application of said statements). Baldly asserting the trade agreements do not apply is POV - and basically political Agitprop. The proper encyclopedic text approach should note the ambiguity and not make sweeping assertions. This was already dealt with over 2 years ago. (collounsbury (talk) 20:01, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Are your changes supported by the sources currently being used ? I haven't checked. In other words, do we need better sources in that section. Sean.hoyland - talk 01:08, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Support? Yes in the sense they reflect actual statements, although no in the sense they do not directly say the situation is ambiguous (as the journalist writing was merely reporting political posturing in public). Unless one reads the actual legal text or finds an actual legal and policy analysis of the situation (which I am not aware exists in a citable form). As it happens, my real life job is investment and the like in this very region and I have in fact read the texts, as in the case of the American FTA with Morocco which lacks any textual treatment of geography or rules of origin touching on internal geographies. This treaty text is online and I went over this with editors on this subject over three years ago (and unless some ignoramus activist has edited the FTA pages, this is what is reflected on the specific page here). However, not to be based on persona knowledge (which tells me), the edits reflect that there are the statements reported in the press, but otherwise unsupported by policy or treaty text. Ambiguous, as I phrased it. An accurate and encyclopedic approach.(collounsbury (talk) 10:25, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economic Text, Free Trade Agreements 

message: The lead paragraph in this article states that the population is about 500,000, and over half live in El Aaiún. But El Aaiún has a population of 194,668 according to its article. Unless I am missing something, this should be changed. Anoldtreeok (talk) 23:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency 

message: This user is replacing an UN source : Whitfield, Teresa. Friends Indeed?: The United Nations, Groups of Friends, and the Resolution of Conflict. 2007, page 191 by a study of an spanish non neutral institute.
UN sources must not be deleted !!
Also this user is adding Saharawi peseta as a currency in the territoriy which is false, because only moroccan Dirhams are used, the sahrawi Peseta is a future projet of future currency and it will be only used if the territory gets it's independence.
--Yusuf ibn Tashfin (talk) 15:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maurimanya user is vandalizing the article 

message: This user is replacing an UN source : http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/153/16/IMG/NR015316.pdf?OpenElement.
UN sources must not be deleted!!!
MauriManya (talk) 15:15, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yusuf ibn Tashfin user is vandalizing the article 

message: Enough of the edit warring and immaturity shown above. It's time to start discussing all changes on the talk page. I've increased the protection to help achieve this. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:21, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How come the goldlock doesn't appear at the top of the page...just curious. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Because I hadn't added the protection template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: Firstable :
Maurimanya is deleting a useful information referenced by an publication of United States institute of peace press Whitfield, Teresa. Friends Indeed?: The United Nations, Groups of Friends, and the Resolution of Conflict. 2007, page 191, this reference stipulate that Western Sahara has been on the United Nations list of non-self-governing territories since 1963 after a Moroccan demand, when it was a Spanish colony.
Secondly :
Maurimania is inserting the UN resolution 1542  which has no connection with the conflict of western sahara, moreover it doesn't mention the word "western sahara" anytime.
Thirdly :
The currency which is used in the territory is "Moroccan Dirhams", the part of western sahara controled by polisario is inhabited, moreover the "peseta sahrawi" is only a future project of local currency if territory gets it's independence, this currency is not used actually.
Like you can see here in a CIA document , only the moroccan Dirhams are used.
Best regards.
--Yusuf ibn Tashfin (talk) 19:08, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful information 

message: Western sahara is just an area which belong to Morocco, so we have to delet the map cause it does not tell the truth.
wastern sahara is not a state.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.141.59.234 (talk) 20:00, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not how Wikipedia works. Read WP:NPOV. Sean.hoyland - talk 12:16, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  we should delet the map of the so-called Western Sahara 

message: Actually, the European strategic intelligence and security center (ESISC) is not at all a "research center" but a commercial firm (sprl), officially registered as such in Belgium (see the article in the wikipedia in French. It produces only what it is paid for, its "reports" are indeed not considered as having the least scientific value among academics (its chairman is Claude Moniquet, a former (?) agent of the French secret service who masqueraded for 20 years as a journalist, as he explained himself in the Belgian newspaper La Capitale) and it has presently as a client the Moroccan embassy in Brussels for which it designs and sends an electronic bulletin. As to its "staff", besides Moniquet there is only Dimitri Dombret, former director of the lobby "European Friends of Israel". And according to its own official report to the National Bank of Belgium it has no paid employee. --Pylambert (talk) 23:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done Playambert...If only all Editors paid as much attention as you do to the quality of sources. 84.203.71.0 (talk) 20:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The ESISC report on Polisario 

message: There is a claim that "tens of thousands of Moroccan civilians by the Algerian government from Algeria", backed up by 8(!) sources, all of which are either unreliable or dead. Tens of thousands is quite a number, and if it is true, there should be some reliable source backing it up. Otherwise, I read this as an attempt to put the parts in the conflict on equal footing in case of suffering. – Danmichaelo (talk) 09:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This should rather be discussed on the article Algeria–Morocco relations. In summary, tens of thousands Moroccans migrated to Algeria during the French colonization and stayed after independence. Some migrated to Europe afterwards (Belgium, Germany, France) as they had an option for the French citizenship. Others stayed in Algeria. On the other hand, there were tens of thousands of Algerians living in Morocco, before and after Algeria's independence. Of course, each time there is a tension (or a war) between Algeria and Morocco the situation of these foreign residents of an enemy country (like the Japanese-Americains, German-Americans etc. during WWII) is not easy, and both governments proceed to expulsions (like Saddam Hussein expelled tens of thousands Iraqis of ethnic Iranian origin in the 1990s). Keep in mind that neither Morocco nor Algeria are West European-type democracies with respect for human rights or migrant rights (including the right to take the citizenship of their residence country) and detestation of ethnic cleansing... --Pylambert (talk) 10:53, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes there was an expulsion of tens of thousands of Moroccan in 1975 as a response to the green march. Houari Boumediene was quite like the average third-world socialist "revolutionary" of his time and such stuff is only casual routine for them. And it has nothing to do with immigration to Europe or French Algeria. Tachfin (talk) 15:43, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The expulsion of Moroccans from Algeria 

message: Your comment is requested over at Talk:Flag of Western Sahara; there is an RfC underway there to help decide what the article contents should be. (There are a few different options, such as redirection, disambiguation, etc.) If you can take some time to share your opinion on the matter, it would be very much appreciated. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 15:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments requested at Flag of Western Sahara