Talk:Narnia (world)

message: I'm interested in moving some of the content in the pages about the Narnia books.  Specifically, I would like to move the information about the 'world of Narnia' out of the places:Narnia page and onto the The Chronicles of Narnia page.  My thinking is that all of the other places pages deal with parts of the Narnia world (mostly various countries and islands) but the Narnia page deals with those details plus information about the 'Narnia universe'.  I think things would be more consistent if the stuff that dealt with the whole world were on the The Chronicles of Narnia page.  
Another solution would be to have two Narnia pages.  One for the country and one for the world in general, but this seems more confusing to me than simply using the pages that currently exist.
If either of these changes is made, we should also change the 'Narnia content box' (I don't know the right term for that thing). And move it to the top of the page (which seems to be the location most often used in book series).  In its current location it is very easy to miss most of the the Narnia content.
I am crossposting this to Talk:The Chronicles of Narnia, so you might also look for responses there. Lsommerer 03:46, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving Content in Narnia pages (possible split?)

message: The article presently says, referring to intersections between Narnian time and our time: In some cases the intersections occur in different orders on each timeline. For example, an intersection occurs at the creation of Narnia and the year 1900, but on an earlier unknown date preindustrial pirates from the South Sea had already stumbled into Narnia's fifth century, one of the most confusing effects of the Narnian timeline. The relevant passage from Ch. 15 of Prince Caspian is: Many years ago in that world, in a deep sea of that world which is called the South Sea, a shipload of pirates were driven by storm on an island. And there they did as pirates would: killed the natives and took the native women for wives, and made palm wine, and drank and were drunk, and lay in the shade of the palm trees, and woke up and quarrelled, and sometimes killed one another. And in one of these frays six were put to fright by the rest and fled with their women into the centre of the island and up a mountain, and went, as they thought, into a cave to hide. But it was one of the magical places of this world, one of the chinks or chasms between that world and this. [...] And so they fell, or rose, or blundered, or dropped right through, and found themselves in this world, in the Land of Telmar which was then unpeopled. I see nothing to indicate that these pirates were "preindustrial", and therefore no reason why their entry into Telmar could not have taken place in the late nineteenth/early twentieth century of our world, after the events of The Magician's Nephew. Donald, 10.30 p.m., 16th January 2005
:I agree, there is nothing to indicate preindustrial pirates. There is no timeline confusion, so it should be taken out. -Obdormio 10:17, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The first half of that quotation sounds a lot like the Spanish conquistadores. -- D. F. Schmidt (talk) 20:42, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Narnian vs. Earth time

message: Where did the title Frank V come from? As I remember from the Magician's Nephew, it was Frank I and Helen's second son who was the first king of Archenland.
--Lavintzin 22:05, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Frank V ?

message: While all rodents listed above are mentioned throughout the Narnia books, mice in particular are given special attention by their services to Aslan in the first book and the swashbuckling character of Reepicheep. Mice are also unusual in that they were not designated as Talking animals at creation. Some mice were given the gift of speech much later in Narnia's chronology after they chewed the ropes binding Aslan the Lion to the Stone Table. This is usually seen as an inconsistency caused by the fact that The Lion, Witch and Wardrobe was written before The Magician's Nephew.
Where's the inconsistency? --Taejo 09:27, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  talking mice inconsistency? 

message: I'm removing 2 external links. Anyone have any thoughts:
*http://groups.myspace.com/aslansknights/ descibed as "Aslan's Knights - A Narnia Fangroup based in Myspace".  This site does not seem to contain any additional information about Narnia.  If I've missed something here, let me know.
*http://www.jiggerbug.com/product_info.php?products_id=1458/ described as "Chronicles of Narnia Audio Book free to rent". This seems to just be an ad. You can rent it free via a free 2 week trial period after you give them credit card info.
:I'm also removing an external link, as it links to Narnia-related merchandise.--Tim4christ17 22:11, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on External Links 

message: Tell me, why is there a glaring lack of documentation on the fact that the story is a Christian allegory? Shouldn't that be documented also, as it's a fairly important fact to understand the morality of the Narnia saga.
:There are sections concerning the Christian aspects of the books in The Chronicles of Narnia and in the various books as well as in individual character articles. There's really not much to say about the universe itself. LloydSommerer 14:31, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be mentioned in here too imho, since it's important to know this link with Christianity if one wants to understand the world of Narnia itself too and how it operates. --Utotri 15:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christianity 

message: I don't think this section should be in this article about the world of Narnia. I think the various "screenings" are more appropriate in The Chronicles of Narnia.  In fact, I think they are covered there in greater detail already.  Anyone else have any thoughts on the matter? LloydSommerer 18:48, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narnia Screenings section 

message: Could someone please check that Digory gave the fruit to his mother? I remember reading that Aslan said she would regret eating it and stopped Digory from giving it to her. I'll check in a bit if no one else does. Twipie 18:37, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: False Info?

message: I have come across a few startling finds in terms of seperate Narnia pages on here.  I would assume that the original order of the books would end up being used for the Wikipedia pages, as those were the original ones at time of publishing.  Using the new order by only American publishers and not in other English speaking/non-English speaking nations (I assume) should not take precedent over the original order of the books, to do otherwise could be construed as historical revisionism I would suppose.  I'll stick around for a few days and see if anyone has other ideas or I might just be bold WP:BB and change them to the original publishing order, or at least refer the new order as the new distribution order. Radagast83 02:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, I don't know what is wrong with me tonight! Radagast83 02:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book Ordering precedent 

message: I think the word dwarfs is usually the accepted plural when refering to real-world humans with dwarfism, while dwarves refers to the mythical beings.  Does anyone think we should change "dwarfs" to "dwarves" to clarify the destinction? JDspeeder1 08:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dwarfs vs. Dwarves

message: I was under the impression that Jadis and Lady of the Green Kirtle were the same person, if the cast of characters(HarperTrophy paperback) is considered canon;
"Jadis. The last Queen of Charn, which she herself destroyed. Jadis arrives in Narnia with Digory and Polly in The Magician's Nephew and has taken over the land as the White Which in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. Completely evil, she is also very dangerous, even in The Silver Chair." Jynx980 06:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not canon.
Does the cast of characters appear in any other book versions aside from the set ones? Who is credited with the information? How long has it been in use? Jynx980 06:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: As far as I know Lewis did not list the cast of characters. The books themselves make it clear that She of the Green Kirtle is not the same person as the White Witch, but at best "one of the same crew". The White Witch is killed at the end of LW&R, though there is a necromantic attempt to call her shade back in Prince Caspian. Book covers, fly-leaves, and editor-produced front and back matter are notorious for giving unreliable information about what is in the books—this is one of those cases. --Lavintzin 12:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Witches 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Narnia Map.jpg

message: All of the books (except The Horse and his Boy) involve action in Narnia, but not all of the action takes place in Narnia.  Some occurs on Earth, some in Charn, some in countries in the Narnian world that are not part of Narnia.  This is the reason for the wording: "The world is so called after the country of Narnia, in which most of the Chronicles take place." Elphion (talk) 16:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Location of Action

message: Hey Dude! I liked this page a lot! Just read it and you understand everything about Narnia!!! I would like to copy the present version into a subpage of my userpage!!! Yes!!!Srinivas G Phani (talk) 15:18, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I really like this page 

message: Why is there none? CUSH 06:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: At a guess, because the Baynes map (the only one generally accepted as notable and "accurate") is still under copyright. Elphion (talk) 19:34, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map? 

message: I made a deliberately simplistic map; it's somewhat minimal, but it indicates the basic relationships between the major areas, and doesn't violate any copyrights... AnonMoos (talk) 21:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Ultra-simplified map

message: The Timeline was published by Walter Hooper.  My understanding is that this places Magician's Nephew in 1900, but I don't have access to a copy of Hooper to check.  Lsommerer's recent edit cites Ford's Companion as placing it in 1888 -- but it's not clear whether Ford says the timeline places it in 1888, as the current version of the article says (and again, I'm away from my books, so can't check). -- Elphion (talk) 15:46, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The timeline places Magician's Nephew in 1900, and lists Digory Kirke as being born in 1888. Maybe that's the source of the confusion. LloydSommerer (talk) 16:01, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that makes sense.  I've updated the Timeline section to make Narnian year 1 correspond with 1900. -- Elphion (talk) 16:21, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline date:  1888 vs 1900 

message: has added several edits of dubious quality, entirely unsupported.  These have been reverted for the time being.  I invite 124.148.90.172 to discuss the proposed changes here if he or she wishes to pursue them. -- Elphion (talk) 05:01, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that that 124.148.234.173 and 203.59.193.180 are also the same editor. The nomenclature has commonalities and the IPs are all from Perth, Australia. I'm not sure if Perth is intentionally changing IPs or if its circumstantial, but it would be good if anon in Perth would discuss changes. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:12, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

text: Wikis are not reliable source. See :WP:SPS and :WP:UGC. For all we know you wrote the material there as well.  Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:13, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  i.e., could have written : Walter is not accusing you of dishonesty, just pointing out that we don't know where the material originally came from.  The point of WP is not to collect anything we find on the web, but to use material whose reliability can be established. -- Elphion (talk) 04:57, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes. Thank you for clarifying. I'm not accusing anon in Perth of any wrongdoing. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:11, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

text: OK, let's start with the "Age of XXX" designations.  These are not in any version of the Timeline I've seen, and they don't sound like Lewis.  Where are you getting them? -- Elphion (talk) 07:40, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

text: I gather from your description that the names were invented by somebody at the Narnia wiki, and not original with Lewis.  That would make them original research and thus not appropriate for Wikipedia. -- Elphion (talk) 13:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just to clarify, if these only appear at the Narnia wiki, it's not appropriate to use. If a few authors who are experts on these works were to write about them, it would be more appropriate to include here. If most experts use the terms, it would be wrong for use to exclude. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:41, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

text: Referenced of course? No? Removing. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:20, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

text: To repeat: your source is not a Reliable Source, and the material you've added to the article is not appropriate.  Lewis does not use the term "Dark Ages" or imply that it is a dark time.  Do you know when the How was raised, or when the Lone Is. fell into Calormene hands?  Do you have a reliable citation ruling out the early years of Telmarine rule? -- Elphion (talk) 14:55, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

text: I am not objecting to Caspian being identified as a descendent of Caspian I, but with material you have been copying from Narnia Wiki.  It's fine to say that Lewis says little about the period between the Pevensies and the Telmarines (and I incorporated that into the article), but you have added invention that is not Lewis's and not supported by reliable sources.  Have you read wp:RS and wp:OR?  Do you understand why these additions are not supported or appropriate for WP? -- Elphion (talk) 16:59, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits by 124.148.90.172 

message: I don't think we need two separate articles about what most readers think is a single fictional entity. The country of Narnia can be described here just like other fictional locations from this universe are already. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:35, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Klbrain (talk) 21:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Narnia (country)]] here 

message: This article needs more non-plot information. If anyone should be inclined to work on that, here are some secondary sources to use which came up in the deletion discussion, relevant to Archenland but also Narnia (country):
*An Introduction to Narnia - Part II: The Geography of the Chronicles Chronicles compares the names and relationship of England/Ireland to Narnia/Archenland + does some extrapolation from there.
*Space and Place in Children’s Literature, 1789 to the Present, interestingly, compares Archenland to continental Europe rather than Ireland.
*Representations of home, the orient and the other “other” in selected children's fantasy literature does an evaluation of Archenland as "idealized space...". Daranios (talk) 10:55, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Secondary sources

message: I believe that the name Narnia was inspired by Lewis's connection with JRR Tolkien. As a member of the Inklings, Lewis heard readings of Tolkien's fantasy creations on a regular basis. Narn is a word in Tolkien's invented High Elvish language, Quenya; it means 'tale' or  'story', as in Narn i Hîn Húrin, 'The Tale of the Children of Hurin', part of the Silmarillion. Narnia would thus mean 'Story-place'. Lewis is known to have borrowed other names from Tolkien. Two major characters in his novel Perelandra - the Venusian Adam and Eve - were called Tor and Tinnidril, obviously derived from the Tolkien characters Tuor and Idril, in the Silmarillion. Urselius (talk) 08:53, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the name 

message: Please restore full history, geography, etc. there’s no information at all 47.150.217.249 (talk) 03:07, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll find everything you want here: https://narnia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia_Wiki Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 04:57, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restore content 

message: Narnia (world)#Consistency with other works states , but this is not necessarily true. If Edmund were born in December and Lucy in January, then Edmund would have been one year and one month older than Lucy; and for eleven months of the year, they would indeed be one year apart in age. --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 19:39, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ages of Lucy and Edmund 

message: The redirect Disputed Kings and Queens of Narnia has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Utopes (talk / cont) 22:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Disputed Kings and Queens of Narnia]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]