Talk:Mohammad Zahir Shah

message: I found some of the weasel words in this article kind of questionable ('twisted his arm'?) so I put up an NPOV tag.  - George
when did Mohammed Zahiar Shah die?
:I suppose he hasn't died. :-) Mapple 09:45, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Death

message: I made some POV edits, but clearly more are needed.  LeoO3 15:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV editing 

message: hi there this man had a son called jaffa he attened the blue coat school in harbourne birmingham great britain later he returned to fight the russians the sunday times did a report of him —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.41 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Son

message: This article has been classified as a start due to its level of detail and organisation. Capitalistroadster 05:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Start classification

message: His name is "Mohammed Zahir Shah" not "Mohammed Zahir Khan".  Compare  and . The page needs to be moved back 09:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name and Page move

message: Cut from the page:
:He is responsible for assasinating religious leaders like Sayed Ismael Balkhi, a Shia cleric, and Mawlana Faizani.Mir Ghulam Muhammad Ghobar, P: "Afghanistan dar maseer Tarikh".
Ignoring that the source is foreign language (and thus difficult for English-speaking people to find and/or read), it seems unlikely that Faizani, someone who the Communist authorities "disappeared" in 1979, was either killed by the then-in-exile former king or that this accusation was even made by someone (Ghobar) who died in 1978!  Even someone who knows little about Afghan history can see the inaccuracy of this.  It would be interesting to know what Afghanistan dar maseer Tarikh really says regarding this.  In the meantime, this accusation seems directed at those reading his obits, not at being part of a long-standing encyclopedia entry. Calbaer 16:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This seems false

message: Per all other monarchs, shouldn't this be at Mohammed Zahir of Afghanistan (<given name> of <country>), like Beatrix of the Netherlands or Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom? – Chacor 06:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Mohammed Zahir Shah (the current title) is fine. The reason is there is only Mohammed Zahir Shah while there is many Beatrixes and Elizabeth. --Behnam 07:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page title 

message: * “I will accept the responsibility of head of state if that is what the loya jirga demands of me, but I have no intention to restore the monarchy,” he said. “I do not care about the title of king. The people call me Baba, and I prefer this title.”
By BARRY BEARAK
Published: July 24, 2007 Mohammad Zahir Shah, Last Afghan King, Dies at 92 NY TIMES  Bnguyen 05:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote

message: There seems to be a lot of unverifiable claims in this article.  Lots of bias and POV.  If anyone can actually manage to correct anything in this article without having it reverted, please do so.  I have tried, but certain individuals would prefer to keep the article in this state.
--Khampalak 02:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup required. 

message: Why is there a long-winded paragraph about his father here?  First of all, that paragraph is in serious need of verification.  Secondly, such details probably belong in an article about Nadir Shah.
--Khampalak 02:46, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is about Zahir Shah 

message: I will be revising the Origin section later tonight, hopefully.  There seems to be quite a bit of redundant information about his father and obscure references to events that may or may not have occurred many generations earlier.  The section should be about his upbringing, education, linguistic and culture heritage, as well as his ascent to power.--Khampalak 19:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin section 

message: I have serious questions about these claims.  I do not think an opinion piece from a Canadian newspaper is sufficient for making this statement here.  The piece from The Ottawa citizen was not written by an expert on Zahir Shah, nor did he provide any sources for his claims of ethnocentrism and persecution of Persian speakers.  Further, the claims make absolutely no sense given that Zahir Shah and much of his family speak Persian as their first language.  I think these claims constitute POV, as does the source material.  My opinion is that this information should be edited out. --Khampalak 19:13, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claims of ethnocentrism 

message: I advice anyone to examine the edits on this article.  It should be clear to see what is going on here.
--Khampalak 04:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I see this is still a game to some. 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV_tutorial
Thank you
--Khampalak 05:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beh-nam & Anoshirawan 

message: Concerning the execution of Habibullah Ghazi, I removed "after taking an oath on the Quran not to" as unsubstantiated, and definitely libelious (if alive). --Bejnar 15:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would you remove it if it is common knowledge and well documented? --Behnam 16:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The material you claim is common knowledge is nothing more than unfounded criticisms among Setami/Parcham supporters.  And you've been warned about these sources that you keep alluding to.  It's no wonder this article is marked as requiring additional sources and verification. --Khampalak 17:16, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: ¿"well-documented"? There is no footnote for it. --Bejnar 17:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Oath

message: With regard to the activities of Mohammed Zahir Shah's half-uncle, I deleted "who sold Peshawar for gold and sided with Maharaja Ranjit Singh of Sarkar Khalsa against his half brother Dost Muhamad", on the basis that the first part is not from a NPOV, and the whole is rather irrelevant to the article, which is about Mohammed Zahir Shah.  If it were relevant,it should be brought up in the relevant context and not in back ground. --Bejnar 15:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I agree, it would be better in the Mohammed Nadir Shah article. --Behnam 16:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As usual you have filtered out the bit where NPOV was mentioned.  Simply moving inappropriate text from one article to another will only solve nothing. --Khampalak 17:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dost Mohammad Khan

message: The article quoted says nothing about Zahir Shah persecuting or oppressing non-Pashtun speakers.  Azalea pomp 02:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I read the article and it does not say anything about persecution or oppression.  Please directly quote where his article lists this. Azalea pomp 07:28, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well spotted Azalea pomp, no the article doesn’t say anything about persecuting Persian speakers, so we should remove it unless a reliable source is provided to support the claim. - dwc lr 10:11, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't misquote articles 

message: I don't want to start an edit war, so to reply to your last comment... the title wasn't given by a government since the government wasn't even formed yet. It was given by his fellow Mohammedzai loyalists who had influence over Karzai. There was no vote on this, it was just proceeded by his loyalists and family and everyone sort of went on with it. This title didn't have a function for him, other than providing him with a luxurious life in Kabul with $30,000 a month and a free expensive funeral from the money provided by Western countries to the people of Afghanistan. But main point, is that it was not given to him by a republican government, a real government was at that time. -- Behnam 03:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's only an argument as to why your personal opinion doesn't approve of it! --Counter-revolutionary 11:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it's not my opinion that this was done at a time where a government wasn't even established yet. Regardless, the infobox is Infobox Monarch so we should only have details about his monarchy not other titles he had. -- Behnam 21:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a place for your opinions. --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 13:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

text:  It's not my opinion that it's a Monarch Infobox and thus only his title as a monarch can be mentioned and not any other titles he had (he had several more). -- Behnam (talk) 13:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Father of the Nation" in infobox 

message: How does this apply here?  At first I wasn't sure if I read it correctly, but sure enough it's there.  Are people vandalizing discussion pages now because this stuff isn't surviving on the article itself?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shamsudin (talk • contribs) 19:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fascism Template 

message: Anoshirawan why are you continually reverting to an old version of this article? - dwc lr (talk) 00:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert to old version by Anoshirawan 

message: The articles introduction says ".. in 2002 which he held until his death". The person summary says he died in 2007 and there is a picture of him from 2004 (where he is obviously alive). What is the correct time of death?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.105.206.127 (talk) 08:14, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead or not? 

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message: There are no documents and voice recordings that can prove that Zahir Khan ever spoke in to Pashto language , just like Amanullah Khan. His speeches on independence days and celebrations as well as his various interviews e.g. with BBC are in Persian. Persian language was the language of the royal court.
Amanullah Khan also gave an abdication speech in Persian in Kanadahar before flying to Iran in 1929 after his fall. He apologized because his "Afghan language" (Pashto language ) is not good.
The royal families could not do Pashto. Shahdocht (kingsdaughter = Princess) "Hindya Afghanistan ("India Afghanistan") , the daughter of King Amanullah Khan, Jawaharlal Nehru gave her this name, asked the TV host Sultanzoi in a TV interview, what is her "Dari" language? She answer didn't Dari, I spoke Persian in my time. I want to learn Dari now. And everyone understood this Persian, even though he spoke Persian. Dari in 
Ahmad Khan Abdali ("the History of Ahmad Shahi" is in Persian, he knew Persian and understandable Pashto), born in Herat in 1722, and his son Timur Shah Durrani, born in Mashhad, could not speak a word Pashtu.Tabnak (talk) 15:19, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  King Zahir or Zahir Shah and to Pashto language