Talk:Krautrock

message: You know, all you really have to do is look at the list of artists on the page to see what an utterly meaningless term it is to start with. There are countless instances, in that list alone, of artists whose ONLY similar characteristic is the country they are from, and the time period in which they were active. It's purely a journalistic wank word, and 98% of the people who would ever use it probably have, at best, extremely sketchy knowledge of most of the artists they're using it in conjunction with to begin with.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.241.14.151 (talk) 00:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree. My recollection of its use in the 70s and 80s is that, rather than the music press, it was most commonly used by amateur record dealers at second-hand trade fairs and by smaller independent shops as a way of sorting their stock (the bigger chain stores like Virgin just relying on basic categories – "rock", "classical"). The first paragraph under "Characteristics" is particularly amusing in its utter pretentiousness. – "Ricadus (talk) 08:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

text: The British called it Krautrock. It was an obivous attempt to ridicule the Germans.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.239.195.102 (talk) 23:02, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Such hopeless tripe

message: From what's been written, it seems that Krautrock is an important predecessor and influence of Neue Deutsche Härte, most known by Rammstein, Megaherz, Eisbrecher and Oomph! and so if it is, it should definately be mentioned, no?
:Hmmm, not sure about that. Maybe you could trace ie Rammstein back to Krautrock, but that would be quite a few stops down the road. I'd say heavy metal would be a more important and important influence there. Krautrock has been an important influence on a lot of modern "experimental music", though. For example, I think it's safe to say that the whole post-rock explosion would've been rather different or maybe even non-existent without krautrock. Kruka 12:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Predecessor to Neue Deutsche Härte?

message: I think that on their last two CD's Wilco has definetly been showing a Krautrock influence with those freaky drones and songs like Spiders(Kidsmoke) so I'm gonna put something about that down there if you all are cool with it.
I disagree-It doesn't strike me as krautrock-esque at all. At anyrate, if they don't acknowledge the Krautrock influence, it's unfair to pin them with it.-FeralCats
I disagree,too: "freaky drones" are not relevant to "krautrock" (only).
skysurfer 16:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Musicians listening to old krautrock records an incorporating isolated ideas from it into their own music does not make their bands or music krautrock. Were it so, it would also be true that all rock music is blues. Kruka 12:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wilco

message: Monster Movie was released in 1969 so why does the first line say Krautrock bands appeared(? I didn't realise bands simply appeared, maybe just Krautrock ones) in the early 1970s?  Maybe getting a few simple facts ironed out should be priority instead of more involved questions like "Is it rude to use the term Krautrock?" BTW according to Stuart Marconie and Julian Cope on the BBC Radio 6 Freak Zone German Music special it is!  Maybe thats why Krautrock Sampler is never going to be back in print--KaptKos 11:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Early 1970s?

message: All I will say is that it is incorrect to say that Krautrock is mostly instrumental.  CAN, Neu!, and Amon Duul, three of the major bands of the genre, were anything but.
:Ahem. I could probably fit the wholy lyrics of NEU! on the back of a beer mat. Your statement made me put on Can's "Tago Mago" and while there's a lot of voice, it's mostly "Ah-ah-ah" and and "Ah-oh-uh", that is, voice used as an instrument rather than as a means to convey lyrics. It's quite some time since my last encounter with Amon Düül (I don't even own any of their records myself) but IIRC there were few if no lyrics as well. Now does "voice but no words" still count as instrumental or not? --83.171.182.195 20:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, maybe it's just the choice of words here. Maybe Krautrock isn't "mostly instrumental", but rather that instrumental tracks are vastly more common in Krautrock than in most other rock genres(Not counting post-rock, of course). I mean.. Neu! is mostly instrumental, while say..  Amon Düül II mostly isn't. Kruka 12:46, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: One Small Mistake

message: Why Krautrock is tagged as an electronic genre? There is much in early albums by Faust, Ash Ra Tempel, Guru Guru that isn't electronic at all; such works are late-psychedelick rock/early-prog rock. Krautrock is a part of progressive rock, in other terms it's the German scene of prog rock, featuring its own styles, that focused on rhythms and atmospheres, unlike British style, that was strongly informed by blues and symphonic music. 
Arguably, in a NEU! work, you can listen to both Pink Floyd and Sex Pistols. :D
Kraftwerk were likely the most consistent form of electronic style with less inlfluence from other contexts, The so called cosmic couriers, whose styles are referred to also as Kosmische musik, despite in some cases overlapped the same scene, featured a really different kind of music, Tangerine Dream and K. Scultze wre both electronic and spacey, Popol Vuh crossed the borders between space musi, world music and new age. This article deserves, needs further improvements.Doktor Who 00:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Steps to the future

message: The heartland of krautrock was of course West Germany. The article also mentions East Germany (DDR). But what about the german speaking countries Austria and Switzerland? Did they have any such scene? And did it emerge any important bands from there?
It would be strange if not. These countries are very strongly connected to Germany culturally.
~~Glux Riffa~~  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.209.86.36 (talk) 23:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any important bands from Austria or Switzerland? 

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message: Kraut means herb, so I always assumed that it was a simular term to acid folk in that it means a heavily drugged influenced version of the genre...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.78.20.196 (talk) 20:54, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  origin/meaning 

message: Floh de Cologne is one of the most famous band of Krautrock ? Why forget him in the English Wikipédia ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.210.121.225 (talk) 20:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Floh de Cologne

message: It's difficult to find any authoritative references (on the web) to John Peel being 'largely credited with spreading the reputation of Krautrock outside of the German-speaking world'. There's lots of references to this phrase on various blogs etc but nothing which can be attributed with the specific reference to Peel himself. His own wiki page doesn't even mention Krautrock. Thoughts?
Atamata (talk) 14:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Peel 

message: Pretty sure it's meant to just be the most important artists to the genre, not just any German rock band that happened to release an album during the 70's. I think only a quarter of the current artists listed need to be there. Dadaesque (talk) 12:33, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I just spent a lot of time reducing the list to about 1/3rd its original size.  All redlinks and nonlinks are now gone, as well as links that went to the wrong place, of which there were many.  Next, all the bands and individuals already discussed in the article should be removed, as there is no point in being needlessly repetitive.  Then, anyone not truly notable should go.  That'd be good. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 04:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

text: The statement right above yours clearly explains why. Ridernyc (talk) 05:28, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Artists

message: This post was mainly sparked by the phrase "Krautrock was a humorous term invented by the UK press." I have my own opinion on that which differs from this post, but I think it is more productive to put forth good resources for those who intend to correct this article. I'm currently working on a short essay on the subject for school, so I don't really have the time to go through the process of attempting to edit the wiki article as well. Anyways here is a list of sources, and if you care, a brief excerpt from what I'm writing.
There are two documentaries which you can access on youtube, the most informational of which is called Kraftwerk, and the Electronic Revolution. The other one, a BBC Four documentary is more digestible and provides a simpler narrative. Here are the links respectively
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqlx_8MtoSk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B89-69icyc
Additionally, there are two books that have also proven informational. Undercurrents: The hidden wiring of modern music, by The Wire is a collection of articles from The Wire magazine. They are all relatively full of opinionated and pretentious language, but it's an interesting read that also provides a somewhat digestible and informational narrative on Krautrock. The other book is The Ambient Century by Mark Prendergast which is highly informational and relatively absent of opinion as far as music writing is concerned. I recommend this book highly along with the documentaries. Both books only contain 20-30 pages on Krautrock, but it appears to me that most resources concerning the subject are hard to find. If you care at all about the subject these are good places to start and have provided me with enough information to write a paper.
As far as my essay goes, this is my opinion on the term Krautrock as I've found through research. I was influenced by writing in the Wire, so its a bit embellished:
	As music ebbs and flows across borders, Germany's new wave of music floated back across the English Channel and into the ears of the people they were working so hard to separate themselves from. Thus they were deemed Krautrockers. The term "Krautrock" is, itself, contentious as the word Kraut is a racial epithet. However, in the 1970s, a London magazine, known for it's "snide xenophobia" invented the word for this new noise creeping through the airwaves. The magazine furthered the cause of the term by running it a second time as a de facto descriptor. The Germans were also busy inventing names for themselves, the most popular of which was Kosmiche Musik (music of the cosmos.) However, they didn't settle on a unified term as quickly as the English press and were stuck with a name that some Krautrockers, to this day, are unhappy with.
Since my essay is relatively short I didn't include this, but Krautrockers Faust were somewhat responsible for the term and are amused if not happy about its use. On the other side, members from Can, notably Jaki Liebezeit think that the term is insulting. So even among  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.212.82.85 (talk) 01:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Research Articles 

message: The article translates "Mama Düül und Ihre Sauerkrautband Spielt Auf" as 'Mama Düül and her Sauerkrautband Start Up.' This does not seem to be correct to me. "spielt auf" means "to play (music)". The correct translation seems to be "strike up" according to.
I am not a native speaker of english, so I would appreciate some comment on this matter from a native speaker.Rubybrian (talk) 16:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: Last year I noticed something strange. Having bought many krautrock albums, I wanted to search out west german psychedelia 67-69. But to my big surprise, I found nothing on CD not even on the excellent Green Brain shop in Germany or any of the Amazon shops.
Questions to the author, evt. other readers of this article:
Did West Germany more or less skip the psychedelia period and going directly from the beat bands to the krautrock bands that started in late 68? If so, why? Or was real psychedelia records made, but not reissued on CD?
The ONLY german psychedelia record I've come across is: WONDERLAND: Moscow 7" single, June 68
Stein Sundqvist, Oslo, Norway
PS. Is the first real krautrock album AMON DUUL 2: Phallus Dei from Apr.69? Beating Monster Movie by half a year. Or is it anyone earlier?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.128.106.111 (talk) 10:44, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  West german psychedelia is missing. Why? 

message: I mean, I can see why that topic might fit into this article, but there's no mention of the Berlin School of electronic music in this article. Just saying. 159.83.182.57 (talk) 23:04, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Because nobody who knows about the Berlin School has bothered to add sourced info about it.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 02:40, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berlin School of electronic music redirects here, why is that? 

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message: When the kosmische musik section was added, it failed to integrate the info that was already under "Etymology". Now the article confusingly states that the term was both "coined by Edgar Froese" and "invented by record producer Rolf-Ulrich Kaiser".--Ilovetopaint (talk) 22:17, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kosmische musik redundancies/inconsistencies 

message: That way, we could help people find which Krautrock bands they enjoy on the list. That’s my suggestion.
Rudy Espinoza (talk) 19:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we create a list of Krautrock bands?