Talk:Beth Medrash Govoha

message: :Okay, but which edits belonged to which users?  —  Rickyrab | Talk 13:33, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Those edits are gone now, it is therefore impossible to answer that.--Shmaltz (talk) 00:42, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Dang.  —  Rickyrab | Talk 23:06, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

message: Shouldn't the article be under "Beth Medrash Govoha" since that is the actual name of the yeshiva? Not the popular name - "Lakewood Yeshiva"
:Agree - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there are few enough to handle on an individual basis. - CrazyRussian talk/email 11:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about a redirect?--Shmaltz 15:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course. Tell us how you want the primary article to be named tho? - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:03, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it makes any difference. --Shmaltz 00:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it makes no difference then why bring this up in the first place? IZAK 01:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant to say it makes no difference with one is a redirect. But I do think that there should be called Beth Madrash Govoha or at least that Beth Madrash Govoha should be redirected. --Shmaltz 02:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: There is no "one best way" to name any yeshiva on Wikipedia. There is an unresolved debate on Wikipedia about how to name yeshivas, see the long discussions still underway about this issue at Talk:Telshe yeshiva#Best name for the institution and this article. Thanks. IZAK 08:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there are few enough to handle on an individual basis. - CrazyRussian talk/email 11:42, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about a redirect?--Shmaltz 15:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course. Tell us how you want the primary article to be named tho? - CrazyRussian talk/email 16:03, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it makes any difference. --Shmaltz 00:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it makes no difference then why bring this up in the first place? IZAK 01:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant to say it makes no difference with one is a redirect. But I do think that there should be called Beth Madrash Govoha or at least that Beth Madrash Govoha should be redirected. --Shmaltz 02:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion about naming yeshivas

message: The following makes no sense:
**Special faucets that can be used with just using a quart and not one's hands, as required by Halacha when washing one's hands for ritual washing of hands before eating bread..
And the following is a very insignificant fact:
**Special faucets for hot drinking water, for tea and/or coffee.
I think they should be removed (I tried to yesterday but my change was reverted).
***OK, done. Please don't remove bunches of text without any explanation whatsoever. - CrazyRussian talk/email 18:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  faucets 

message: Lakewood yeshiva - or Beth Medrash Govoha?
*Please vote here. Poll will close IY"H on August 1, 2006.
*Proposed by - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming poll

message: #I like this name because it is so widespread and it in no way detracts from its greatness. When was the last time anyone heard of a yeshiva bochur saying he was learning in the "Beth Medrash Govoha." In any case, these kind of votes can swing in both directions at any time, and since the editors who have worked on this article so far have given the article the "Lakewood yeshiva" name it should be left alone for now. IZAK 01:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Lakewood yeshiva'' supporters

message: #Official name - we must honor that I think. - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Beth Medrash Govoha'' supporters

message: *Whoever is proposing this "poll" has not signed their name with the four tildes ~~~~ so that it can be asked if anyone agrees with him/her? Perhaps there should be a a "poll" to know if a poll is needed here? This vote is premature and it is probably a bad idea. Is Wikipedia now going to decide what the world's yeshivas should call themselves or should be called by the world at large, within a deadline yet?  IZAK 01:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: By a 5-4 squeak, we have decided to move the article to Beth Medrash Govoha, which shall be done forthwith. - CrazyRussian talk/email 03:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Concluding the naming poll

message: I don't think this detailed article should be classified as a stub. Remove stub template?--Jms2000 17:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Next time feel free to be bold and just remove it with explanation. Worst case, someone will revert you. - CrazyRussian talk/email 17:26, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub? 

message: Sorry but I disagree,
# Go ahead and add those details to other university pages
# Look here, here, here, here,  here, here, and here, I can be busy all night finding more, but I think you now see that it's not true other universities also list details of their facilities.--Shmaltz 05:13, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of details because compared to other university pages 

message: I've seen a reference somewhere on the web that BMG is the "successor" to a yeshiva in Slutsk (today in Belarus).  Knowing graduates from BMG, I've never heard that before.  But then I see BMG issued a Hagadah around 2001 called Hagadah shel Pesach - Slutsk-Kletsk-Laikvud.  So did BMG have some kind of connection to a yeshivah in Slutsk?  Even if not, it would be nice to know a bit more history.  kosboot 20:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Read here that might shed some light. While I don't think that BMG was meant as a successor to any yeshiva, R' Ahron Kotler was Rosh Yeshiva in Slutsk, Kletsk, and then founded BMG.--Shmaltz 19:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Due to a legal complaint to the m:OTRS (Wikimedia Support Desk), I have selectively deleted certain revisions to the article that contain potentially sensitive material. Please do not restore these deleted revisions without first contacting me for an explanation of the situation. ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 16:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision Deletion on the article 

message: Please note the following two lines and decide which one it is.
"Tumult day" is a distinct feature of Beth Medrash Gevoha.  It is at this time that chavrusos ....that students are required to arrange entry into a particular "chaburah", or study group. This intense and highly competitive method is not unique to Beth Medrash Gevoha; it is also common in other large "yeshivos" such as Mir and Brisk yeshivos in Israel.
Joe407 (talk) 18:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is unique to BMG because of the chaburah system.--Shmaltz (talk) 01:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Sorry, but I think we should put it back. According to your reasoning you should blank the whole article based on OR. I will put it back if there is no response from you, when I do I will fix it.--Shmaltz (talk) 14:48, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for discussing this before reverting my edit.  I appreciate your respect.  As I said above, the main reason that I removed the section was because it is not notable.  To the best of my knowledge there is nothing unique about finding a chavrusa and a chaburah in Lakewood vs any other yeshiva.  Could you explain what you feel the notability of the Lakewood chavrusa/chaburah system is? Joe407 (talk) 15:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for thanking me anytime :). Anyhow, if  you would have ever seen the tumult day then you would have never asked this question. This section is about tumult day not so much about the chavrusa/chaburah. Tumult day the way it's in Lakewood is unique to lakewood. Please comment. TIA. --Shmaltz (talk) 04:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I really believe that the previous wording you removed was good, but should be fixed a bit. About the source, like I told you before, go ahead and delete the whole article based on that.--Shmaltz (talk) 06:28, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Two thoughts.  One, after bit of searching on the net, we probably could re-write the article based only on sourced material.  There are sources and BMG is definitely a notable institute.  So I do not think that we would have to delete the whole article because it is OR.  Two, I understand that some of the unique features of the yeshiva do not have sources but should still be in the article.  What I do not understand is what is unique about the lakewood Tumult.  It sounds like what happens in every yeshiva around the world at the beginning of a zman.  Perhaps if you post your proposed nussach for the section here on the talk page, it will be clear.  Joe407 (talk) 06:51, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Like I said before, it is unique if you would have ever seen this you would have not asked. In most yeshivos the chavrusas are arranged before hand or even if on the first day, it is not as it is in BMG. At BMG it's an official day called Tumult day, thousands of talmidim (over 4000) gather outside the main old building on 7th street and make shiduchim. It is a truly unique just for BMG.--Shmaltz (talk) 23:40, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still unconvinced.  Please post your proposed paragraph and I'll RfC.  Joe407 (talk) 04:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tumult 

message: The grammatically-correct transliteration of the Hebrew גָּבוֹהַּ is GOVOAH. NOT GOVOHA. (Just like נֹחַ is Noach, not Nocha!) -- -- --  05:07, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right about the grammar, but the name of the school is Govoha.--205.156.136.229 (talk) 19:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not so sure you are right, as Noach has no nekudah in the Ches while Govoha does have a nekudah in the Heh.--Shmaltz (talk) 04:37, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

text: It's Aramic not Hebrew.--Shmaltz (talk) 03:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, what seems to your purely am haeretzdig brain is not going to change a name or a fact. In any event I did take the time to search for one, Pasachim 86b. --Shmaltz (talk) 02:20, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh and look at this.--Shmaltz (talk) 02:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

text: Rabbi Shmaltz, clearly you were offended by something I wrote. So sorry, I sincerely ask your mechilah. Toddcs (talk) 23:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course I was, I always get offended when I have to answer someone that his arrogance clashed with his ignorance.--Shmaltz (talk) 04:12, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Did I ever argue about גבוה? Shmaltz (talk) 23:49, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, on 04:37, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for my previous erased comment, I couldn't find that comment. Thanks for clarifying. BTW, another example is מלפני אלוה יעקב most people don't pronounce that right.--Shmaltz (talk) 17:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''GOVOAH'''. NOT '''GOVOHA''' 

message: Do we want to accept http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=851 as a WP:RS?  Joe407 (talk) 15:02, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The question really is is this better than nothing, I do think that its not a RS.--Shmaltz (talk) 02:29, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct. Removing. 24.89.184.42 (talk) 20:29, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freezer source question 

message: The article needs a better source for the founding date and size of BMG than the Rahim article about tensions. There must be some source actually describing the yeshiva.
Worse, the numbers in the article may be pretty inaccurate. The Lakewood township projects 2008 enrollment at 5000 http://twp.lakewood.nj.us/educ.htm#bmedgov  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.85.139 (talk) 14:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rahim source 

message: The article states that the campus consists of four buildings. Several buildings have been added - the Conservative Congregation Ahavat Shalom building is now the Kleinman Campus, the Reform  Temple Beth Am Shalom is in processo of being converted into another BMG study hall. And there is new construction next to the current Beth Shalom building.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.85.139 (talk) 16:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buildings update 

message: When I was taking pictures today of Beth Medrash Govoha, I was questioned by some folks apparently associated with said institution and was asked why I was taking pictures. I would like to understand their point of view. Why don't they want people taking pictures of their yeshiva?  —  Rickyrab | Talk 00:03, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: apparently associated with said institution How was that apparent? In any event you should call the main office to find out: 732.367.1060--Shmaltz (talk) 00:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I use "apparently" because they were in the vicinity and wearing clothes characteristic of yeshiva students but they didn't show badges or anything and they were in an unmarked car, and for all I know, they could've been from elsewhere and just visiting. Nonetheless, they did contact cops and the police did tell me they didn't want people taking pictures of "the university back there" (in my recollection)(this language can be confusing, as Georgian Court University was also in the direction indicated, but the people complaining were in Hareidi clothes). The police in question were from Toms River and some other municipality, as the local police were mourning the late, and beloved, Matlosz and had invited police from other towns to the wake and funeral.  —  Rickyrab | Talk 23:01, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about photography 

message: I'm surprised this information is not in the article.
Danthecan (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 05:57, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Look in the first paragraph. Yoninah (talk) 21:12, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who are the current Roshei HaYeshivas? 

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message: I personally know what this means, but I have to assume that the average reader does not. Unless a more appropriate term can be found, the section Beth Medrash Govoha#Alumni Program should be removed. Puzzledvegetable (talk) 15:11, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: How about laymen? -- -- -- 20:31, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. - Puzzledvegetable (talk) 23:15, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

text:  by User:Puzzledvegetable. Thanks, -- -- -- 20:42, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''baalei batim''?