Talk:German expressionist cinema

message: I haven't been able to parse "The German Expressionist movement was largely expanded down to the isolation Germany was in during World War I."  The "was largely expanded down to" seems to be the problem.  Can the author rephrase this sentence?  Thanks. Knowthhill (talk) 04:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Parsing problem

message: Would this count as a German expressionist film? 
Thanks  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.224.133 (talk) 22:10, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It would appear not, although it is clearly related. 1) It was produced in 1930. 2) It deals with World War I. 3) The article identifies the author's perspective as "New Objectivity". I'm going to add a "Related" link at the bottom, but if there is objection from those more expert on the topic than I, just remove it. 
Ralohmann (talk) 14:55, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Westfront 1918

message: This page should be retitled either "German Expressionism (film)" or "German Expressionist Cinema". German Expressionism was a much wider artistic movement, covering painting (Grosz, Dix and so on), poetry (Georg Heym, Trakl, Gottfried Benn), theatre (Toller, early Brecht) and music (Schoenberg, Berg) as well as other art forms. The main page "German Expressionism" should reflect that.--Folantin 12:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: I know the qualifying word is "arguably", but on a site like Wikipedia it's usually a way of saying "it is better" without stirring the pot. This is a ridiculous statement for one big reason: "German Expressionism" doesn't remotely encapsulate everything about cinema in the 1920s. The Soviets were doing things the Germans weren't doing just as the Americans were doing things the Soviets were not. F.W. Murnau dropped the more obvious trappings of German Expressionism for a subtler cinematic expressionism/modernism and embraced montage and classical Hollywood form in his last films, the superb City Girl and the final masterpiece Tabu (even in his German period he wasn't nearly as ubiquitous with German Expressionism as he's always made out to be - this is true of German cinema in general.) His American students, particularly King Vidor and John Ford, and other contemporary filmmakers from around the world such as Jean Renoir, would continue on in this manner. 
The impact of the German cinema of the 1920s if far greater than what's described in "Influence and legacy." Indeed, if Tim Burton and sci-fi movies were the fruit of Murnau's labor, German Expressionism would be absolutely nothing at all. JonasEB (talk) 09:39, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "German cinema was arguably far ahead of cinema in Hollywood" 

message: The article says "a number" of expressionist directors went to Hollywood but no names are mentioned. Could someone expand on this point? Ralohmann (talk) 15:37, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Expressionist directors who went to Hollywood?

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message: I came across some useful sources while editing Faust (1926 film)#Reception. You may be interested in the 7 "canonical" expressionist films. Anonymous-232 (talk) 06:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
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message: There was extensive discussion going back several years regarding possible refocus of this article,  but there seems to have been none recently. 
There are now separate articles on Expressionism in its broad sense (covering many different artistic and cultural forms). There are also stand-alone articles on Expressionist dance and Expressionist theater. This article would seem to fit best into this broader group of articles as covering specifically Expressionist cinema without a geographic limit just to Germany.
It seems to me that this is the role this article is actually doing. That is,  I don't think the problem is the content, but rather the title. The lead would need a bit of reworking.
Does anyone have views on this? Karl Bildungshunger1965 (talk) 00:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: @Karl Bildungshunger1965 Yes, I agree with you. I just stumbled on this page looking for German Expressionism in the visual arts (painting, sculpture, etc.) and was very surprised this didn't mention anything outside of film, though earlier commentators are certainly right: It was an important, and influential, movement in film. My only question is naming terminology, and a brief spin around Wikipedia didn't help: Should it be German Expressionism (film) or should it be ... (cinema)? By the same token, should the Expressionism page include an identifier like (arts)? I find it odd that it describes multiple arts too, and that German Expressionism (fine arts) isn't a stand-alone article, but then painting, etc. aren't that well represented on Wikipedia. Anyway, all of this is to say, I agree with you, and think the terms should follow Wikipedia convention, whatever that is. :) EditGirl99 (talk) 12:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change to Expressionist Cinema? 

message: ::The image of an expressionist dancer Mary Wigman is included in the "Expressionism" article. It is very relevant there, but seems off-topic here, so I am removing it. If anyone disagrees, feel free to explain why. Thank you.EditGirl99 (talk) 04:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mary Wigman Photo 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 22:04, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: German Expressionism →  – To avoid confusion with German Expressionism (the larger movement), which includes more forms of art such as painting, sculpture, printmaking etc, and includes many artists, including some associated with groups such as Die Brücke and Der Blaue Reiter, which have nothing to do with cinema. Di (they-them) (talk) 05:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

text: *A further note: in the case of agreement that there is something called "German Expressionism" of which the cinematic movement is one part, it seems like the article should be expanded rather than moved. Dekimasuよ! 06:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  There are several sources (including Tate, MoMA, University of Maryland, and Britannica) that use the phrase "German Expressionism" to refer to a movement that isn't limited to cinema. It's clearly its own movement, not just the German regional form of Expressionism. Di (they-them) (talk) 06:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure expanding an article on cinema making it the tail of a different dog is helpful. Best to leave the article as is and title it recognizably. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 5 June 2023