Talk:Malice at the Palace

message: I remember the term "basket-brawl" was frequently used to refer to this incident. Is it still in use now? Kiteinthewind   Leave a message! 20:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure, since there are no source indicating that.—Chris! ct 20:39, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Found it! Source 13 on the article refers to this event as a "Basketbrawl". However, that term also refers to other basketball brawls. Kiteinthewind   Leave a message! 23:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other colloquial names 

message: There must have been some civil litigation that resulted from this incident:  innocent bystanders, fans suing players or Pistons, etc.  There is a section summarizing the aftermath/criminal penalties etc., but no mention of civil.--Hokeman (talk) 03:55, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  More suggestions for future improvement 

message: Since he was still known as Ron Artest at the time, I don't think we should be referring to him as "Metta World Peace" throughout this article. A short note to his current name should be sufficient. Zagalejo^^^ 23:46, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Zagalejo on this point, and I agree with his reversion and revision of those changes.  See the discussion at Talk:Ron Artest for additional discussion on this.--Arxiloxos (talk) 23:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, he was not Metta World Peace during the incident and there should be no mention of his name change, as it is irrelevant to the topic. Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:50, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on referring to him as Ron Artest, but I think it's a bit naive to suggest all articles should be 100% free of any information not directly related. What about a reader who  has only known the player as "Metta World Peace?" If I have no idea the man ever had any other name, and read this article, I'm going to think "good thing this Ron Artest guy is out of the NBA..." and keep it moving. The confusion and ambiguity you prevent with a simple, single sentence is easily worth the small loss in "cleanliness" that the article suffers. Not to mention it's debatable if the information really is irrelevant; I consider the identity of the main perpetrator in the brawl to be quite pertinent. Ijmitchell (talk) 02:35, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metta World Peace 

message: I find Artest attacking the innocent fan (instead of Green) to be similar to a recent event that happened at the end of 2012 involving the longest-reigning WWE Champion backing up into the stands. He decked a fan but he also got the wrong one.
I am wondering if this is worth mentioning or if, in a broader scope, we could have an article (or section) regarding violence in professional sports and mistaken identities, especially regarding fan melees. Ranze (talk) 22:20, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not worth mentioning.—Chris!c/t 02:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

text: Borders on original research unless sources have discussed the general topic.—Bagumba (talk) 09:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: [[CM Punk]] comparison

message: Just was wondering why there's no mention of the lawsuits that were filed after the brawl.  A quick google pulls up this article about Michal Ryan suing as well as a settlement with one of the ushers: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2006-09-14-fan-palace-brawl-suit_x.htm  Right off, I;ve not been able to find any mention of an outcome.  --172.72.47.40 (talk) 16:47, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Ryan lawsuit 

message: I think the section titled "Events after the brawl" should be updated to reflect the fact that only one of the nine players who were suspended after the brawl is still an active NBA player as of the current season (2015-16): The person now known as Metta World Peace, who had re-signed with the Los Angeles Lakers before the start of the current season after playing internationally during the previous season (2014-15). All of the other eight players suspended after the brawl have retired. In the case of Jermaine O'Neal, who last played for the Golden State Warriors, he sat out the entire 2014-15 NBA season (the season that the Warriors won the NBA Championship) and still hasn't delivered his retirement papers to the NBA as of this writing, and in the case of David Harrison, who left the NBA in 2008, he attempted to return to professional basketball last September for a new team in Las Vegas of the AmeriLeague, which folded before playing upon the discovery that the AmeriLeague's founder was a con artist. Jim856796 (talk) 22:59, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Events after the brawl" section update 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: > ..., a fan in the stands threw a drink at Artest while he was lying on the scorer's table to cool him down. Artest, not wanting to be cooled down ...
I question the language and characterization used in this opening section, quoted above. The article later states: "A spectator, John Green, then threw a plastic cup of Diet Coke at Artest, hitting him in the chest." The original statement does not comport with the later description of the event and needs to be changed. I would go as far to question it for vandalism.
Suggested alternative (copied from above with redactions):
> After the fight was broken up, a fan in the stands threw a drink at Artest while he was lying on the scorer's table. Artest immediately charged after the fan, sparking a massive brawl between players and spectators that stretched from the seats down to the court and lasted several minutes.
Geoff (talk) 09:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Not wanting to be cooled down" 

message: "At the Palace (now demolished)", in the opening paragraph. Kinda reads like the brawl demolished the building. GoodDay (talk) 18:45, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palace (now) demolished 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure)  –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 03:34, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Pacers–Pistons brawl →  – I want to revisit the RM discussion from four years ago. Last night, I watched the Netflix documentary Untold: Malice at the Palace (it's very good, highly recommended). I do think from watching this documentary and searching on Google that "Malice in the Palace" is indeed the WP:COMMONNAME for this event. The documentary came out in August 2021, but there are many sources from before that that indicate COMMONNAME:  Apparently, Artest's autobiography is titled No Malice. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:44, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 29 October 2021 

message: I realize this is a year later, but  how come the article has a preceding "The"?  It seems the RM was for simply "Malice at the Palace" and I don't see anybody advocating for a leading "the" in the discussion.  Any objections to removing the "The"?  SnowFire (talk) 10:12, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a good question. A year later, I hadn't noticed the leading "the". I think it should be removed from the title. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:59, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   I don't know why I didn't drop the "The" before. I must've not have noticed. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 16:51, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title