Talk:Turkmens

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thread_title: Please

message: The history of Iraqi Turkmens are not related with Ottoman Empire. They are descendants of Seljuks and Ilkhanates not the Ottomans. The given meaning of Turkmen as "Türk-men" (I am a Türk) is totally absurd. The way to say "I am a Turk" in Turkmen is "Men Türkem", "Men Türküm". In any of the Turkic languages from Siberian Yakut to Balkan Turkish the verb is always at the end of the sentence. The execptions that I know are Gagauz (Moldova) and Karaim (Lithuania).
:English dictionaries say the word is from Persian turkmān, "like a Turk". I am going to work on this article this weekend. --Cam 17:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ruhnama say the word is from  turk-iman: türk means core, iman means light. Therefore, TÜRK İMAN, namely Türkmen means “made from light, whose essence is light.” The Türkmen name came to this world in this way.
http://ruhnama.info/ruhnama-en/kitap-htm/s10.htm --Ga1taman 13:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turk-men??? 

message: :Saparmyrat Niyazov
:Since October 22, 1993 Saparmyrat Niyazov has used the title Turkmenbashi (Türkmenbaşy), meaning "Leader of all Ethnic Turkmen". In his state Turkmenistan, this is probably largely true. It should be noted, however, that President Niyazov has not to date demonstrated any desire to expand his political suzerainty beyond the borders of Turkmenistan.
Does the above paragraph really belong in this article? Seems inappropriate. SouthernComfort 01:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say delete it. :) --Khoikhoi 04:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Odd paragraph

message: Do the Turkmen of central Asia and the Turkmen of Iraq really consider themselves to be part of a single ethnic group?  Or do they consider themselves separate groups (admittedly under the larger umbrella of Turkic peoples) with the same name? --Jfruh 23:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More radically, shouldn't we split this article? I've controlled ethnologue and it considers their language only adialect of South Azerbaijani, linking the Iraqi Turkmens to the Azeris and not to the Central Asian Turkmens. Also I doubt the two groups have any cultural similarities, also considering that many Iraqi Turkmens are shia, while all the Central Asian Turkmens are Sunni. The only common link is that they are both Turkish people, but this can be said of many. Aldux 17:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  people or peoples? 

message: Just so everyone knows, I didn't just blank out the section. Tombseye 16:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved info. on Iraqi Turkmen to [[Iraqi Turkmen]]

message: What does AH mean, as in 349 AH?  What does it translate to in western time-keeping?  What calendaring system is it, Islamic or Baha'i or Saka?  24.186.214.2 01:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AH is After-Hegira, Muslim time reckoning, when Muhammed fled Mecca for Medina, 622 AD. Chris 07:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dating 

message: Looking at Turkomen after the merge proposal, I thought they seemed like two different batches of people similarly named. Can anyone verify? They could be the same. Chris 07:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: support merge, I checked, same batch of folks. Chris 07:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: support merge, --Ga1taman 13:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 21:13, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: What is so bad about this picture that it must need be removed from the article, where it had been happily sitting since April 2005?  --Lambiam 17:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I honestly dont see see anything wrong it. I'm going to restore it since there appear to have been no responses to Lambiam's comment. Khoikhoi</code> 23:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is so bad about this picture? 

message: I am a baloch of Iran.I have just heard about the turkmen baloch.Can any one tell where do they exist?and do they speak russian>Did any one(local) see them in Turkmenistan?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.96.229.85 (talk) 11:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  turkmen baloch 

message: "Turkmen" comes from the iranian word torkmand/torkman which in persian means "they became turk" ie they(the iranians of central asia)have been turkified
"Turkmen" comes from the iranian word torkmand/torkman which in persian means "they became turk" ie they(the iranians of central asia)have been turkified.
john L.Drake  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.188.81.84 (talk) 17:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  This user has reapeated this text in many articles. I wrote an answer to the one here,here andhere. I think you need to remove the whole of posts by this one . He also has posted two other blocks of text to many wiki articles. He supports the ethnocentric ideas of persians. Amir.azeri (talk) 12:28, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Turkmen" comes from the iranian word torkmand/torkman which in persian means "they became turk" ie they(the iranians of central asia)have been turkified 

message: I wanted to mention to the picture about Major Ethnic Groups of Iran, Turkmens are in a vast area in iran, also azeries and qashqai, the government of iran wants to show that Turkic people in iran are so less, persian and kurds are more ! --Snake co1 (talk) 07:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Ethnic Groups of Iran ( picture is wrong ! ) 

message: Please take a look at the portraits in the top right corner of "Azerbaijani people" (or any other good article about an ethnicity). It shows a representative selection of ethnic faces, not just the current president.   Yceren Loq (talk) 22:49, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkmen People representatives in the infobox 

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message: The article claims that the Turkish term "Yörük" used for Turkish nomadic or semi-nomadic groups in Anatolia and Balkans has phonetic variations Iirk, Iyierk, Hiirk, Hirkan, Hircanae, Hyrkan and Hyrcanae. This information is quoted from a Russian publication, which is unaccessible online and the name Hyrcania was, furthermore, the ancient name of a region between current Iran and Turkmenistan, whereas the etymology of the word "Yörük" is generally thought to be derived from the Turkish verb "yürümek" (to walk). http://books.google.cz/books?id=q_189OeDwSMC&pg=PA859&lpg=PA859&dq=Yörük Is there any further evidence for the existence of those phonetic variations mentioned in the article? Ayazid (talk) 17:06, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yörük = Hyrcanae? 

message: Instead of calling other editors ignorant and edit warring, Siktirgitir should bring sources to support his opinions. The referenced information he is changing does not state parthian. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:00, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Kansas Bear is correct on all points. Edward321 (talk) 22:03, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  User:Siktirgitir 

message: I seems as I told before on your site that you are little informed, if you read barthold turkestan down to mongol invasion, rene grousse, steppe empires, cambrigde history of iran volume 3, The Cambridge History of Iran Volume 3: The Seleucid, Parthian and Sasanid Periods, Part 1 ,The Cambridge History of Iran Volume 3: The Seleucid, Parthian and Sasanid Periods, Part 2 ,  
also in swedish, bra böckers världs historia, which means good books world history its like a encylopedia of the world history of mankind, 
also the bonniers världs historia del 3, bonniers world history part 3 the parthians and sassanid era in iran, in swedish, 
I have tones of references, its just some of I have read, I have gumaliev, wilhem radloff, thomsen, otto von maenschlefen, 
I dont remember their books, 
ce bosworth,  bosworth american historian or english , unesco historical background of central asia, part 2 or three I dont clear remember, 
peter golden, different books,  faruk sumer , turkmenler oghuzlar book,    the problem is that I dont remember all the books entitlements, 
Peter golden is a major in iran and turkic and middle eastern history, 
I have read minorsky, but he is not a good source, you feel more stupid than smart when you come out reading him,
ariminus vambery the jewish hungary , traveles thruth central asia or something the book was called, 
I got reference from cambrigde history of iran volume 7 from nadir shah to the islamic republic,  a statistics showing the rapid developent of irans economy from irans central bank and IMF , internationl monetary fund, 
I have lots of lots of more the the bra böckers enclyocpedia , the whole bonniers, world history encholpedia,  whole cambrigde of iran volumes , thought I dont remember everything, It was some years ago,  the uzbek historian baya something, he died some years ago, and tatar valid tokan or something dont remember his name either, I have many many more source so please dont say I dont have any source,  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siktirgitir (talk • contribs) 23:29, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you are so informed, you should know that simply stating title of books and names of historians is not proof of anything. I see no page numbers with these book titles nor quotes from these books. Therefore, you have presented nothing that supports your opinion. Continued remarks directed at other editors will be reported and can result in you being blocked. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:58, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  concering parthian 

message: the tukmen ethnoloue report clearly reports as I have pointed out , they havent even checked it, its so stupid and ignorant, please can someone help me to this ignorant gentleman to see the true , they havent even checked the source and denies the source , how can you by so blind, please help other users, I dont have any other reverts since they have warned me because I said edward321 was deranged because he didnt read the source , I still hold to my opinion that the guy isnt fully aware of the source and there for not fully functional, as to vsmith and kansans bear seems to take sides and dont see the matter from an objective side, I have read the ethnologue report before and just clicked at the link and it confired what I edited , how can people be so blind, please someone with moral can they help me edit turkmen people article,--Siktirgitir (talk) 23:03, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism by kansans bear edward321 and vsmith 

message: Public domain text on Turkmens
Bode, C.A. "The Yamud and Goklan tribes of Turkomania". Journal of the London Ethnological Society, vol. 1, 1848, pp. 60-78.
http://books.google.com/books?id=0RwAAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA210&dq=The+Turkomans+observe+a+difference+between+their+children+from+Turkoman+mothers,+and+those+from+the+Persian+female+captives+whom+they+take+as+wives,+and+the+Kazakh+women+whom+they+purchase+from+the+Uzbeks+of+Khiva.+The+Turkomans+of+pure+race+enjoy+full+privileges,+while+the+others+are+not+allowed+to+contract+marriages+with+Turkoman+women+of+pure+blood,+but+must+choose+themselves+wives+among+the+half-castes+and+Kazakh+captives.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qWNkU4DwMOe1sASY7oDYCw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20Turkomans%20observe%20a%20difference%20between%20their%20children%20from%20Turkoman%20mothers%2C%20and%20those%20from%20the%20Persian%20female%20captives%20whom%20they%20take%20as%20wives%2C%20and%20the%20Kazakh%20women%20whom%20they%20purchase%20from%20the%20Uzbeks%20of%20Khiva.%20The%20Turkomans%20of%20pure%20race%20enjoy%20full%20privileges%2C%20while%20the%20others%20are%20not%20allowed%20to%20contract%20marriages%20with%20Turkoman%20women%20of%20pure%20blood%2C%20but%20must%20choose%20themselves%20wives%20among%20the%20half-castes%20and%20Kazakh%20captives.&f=false
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http://books.google.com/books?id=0RwAAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA210&dq=As+there+exists+a+great+animosity+between+the+Yamuds+and+Goklans+they+do+not+intermarry,+although+they+reckon+themselves+of+equally+noble+lineage.+The+same+hatred+is+extended+to+the+Tekke+Turkomans,+whom+the+Goklans+and+Yamuds,+moreover,+look+upon+as+their+inferiors,+being,+according+to+their+genealogies,+the+descendants+of+a+slave-woman,+whilst+they+are+the+posterity+of+a+free-woman.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vWNkU6uDOKqssQTx1oDoCQ&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=As%20there%20exists%20a%20great%20animosity%20between%20the%20Yamuds%20and%20Goklans%20they%20do%20not%20intermarry%2C%20although%20they%20reckon%20themselves%20of%20equally%20noble%20lineage.%20The%20same%20hatred%20is%20extended%20to%20the%20Tekke%20Turkomans%2C%20whom%20the%20Goklans%20and%20Yamuds%2C%20moreover%2C%20look%20upon%20as%20their%20inferiors%2C%20being%2C%20according%20to%20their%20genealogies%2C%20the%20descendants%20of%20a%20slave-woman%2C%20whilst%20they%20are%20the%20posterity%20of%20a%20free-woman.&f=false
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Rajmaan (talk) 05:19, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources on Turkmens 

message: articles on all Turkic-related topics in Wikipedia seem very confused, and subject to a lot of nationalist propaganda. The Turkmen of Iraq and Syria are of an entirely independent ethnicity than the Turkmen of Turkmenistan (or the Turks of Turkey for that matter!)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.188.124.37 (talk) 20:48, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iraqi Turkmen are NOT the same as these Turkmen 

message: There were recent moves made on the proposal:
* :Azerbaijani people → 
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– And many similar articles which, on the same president, I would like moved - as would apply to all demonym based population describing articles in those cases those cases in which the plural form of the demonym differs from the singular form of the word.  
As per: Albanians, Americans, Armenians, Australians, Austrians, List of Bahranis, Belarusians, Bosnians, Brazilians, Bulgarians, Lists of Cameroonians and Canadians, ... 
As per WP:UCRN as demonstrated in searches in ...
Designations that seemingly should remain as "... people" as the demonym retains the same form when indicating either singulars or plurals: Bhutanese people, British people and Chinese people, 
I think that this sets a precedent which, if appropriate, can be followed.   GregKaye 11:41, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this article be moved to: Turkmens 

message: This seems like a key phrase, but I don't see it defined anywhere. I don't know enough about it to know if its worthy of its own article, or a just a description here, but the lack of info hurts this article. 155.213.224.59 (talk) 15:38, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Turkic dynastic mythological system" 

message: This has been said over and over again on this talk page, it seems, but nobody has arranged it. The very first line says:
"This article is about the Central Asian ethnic group. For other related groups, see Turkmen."
But then, the introduction states: " a Turkic people located primarily in Central Asia, in the states of Turkmenistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan (...). Which is plane wrong, because the "Turkmens" in Iraq and Syria are definitely not part of the Central Asian people. They are not more related to Turkmenistan than any other Turk in Anatolia. But even in the infobox, Iraq and Syria do appear. 
To clean this up is a huge work, but it should be done. Anybody around there to start doing it or to assist? Ilyacadiz (talk) 14:25, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article mixes up different Turkmens 

message: This article is very confusing and providing insufficient or even false information. From the mid 900s until the First World War Turkmen or Turcoman was a synonym for Oghuz Turk.Lewis, G. The Book of Dede Korkut. Penguin Books, 1974, p. 10. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk wanted to end the Kipchak, Oghuz etc differentiation and therefore called his citizens simply 'Turks' after the First World War. The Oghuz Turks in Syria and Iraq did not go through this process initiated by Atatürk, and therefore still call themselves Turkmens. I think this is relevant information with the current situation in Syria and Iraq.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.114.182.240 (talk) 12:46, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the above comment and have made some changes to the article. The term Turkmen is of Persian origin and began being applied to all Oghuz Turks from the moment they embraced Islam in the tenth century. This is the reason why the term has such a wide use today with many groups across the Middle East and Central Asia using it to refer to themselves. Ancestors of the Turkic-speaking population of Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Turkey that is today commonly referred to as 'Turkmen' migrated from Central Asia long before modern-day Turkmens of Central Asia actually formed as an ethnic group and long before they became distinct from other Oghuz-speaking groups of the time. Both groups consolidated into ethnic groups independently of each other, but the generic term for Muslim Oghuz Turks was applied to both of them by extension. This was also the reason why I removed Hayme Hatun and Kemal Kilicdaroglu from the images. Iraqi and Syrian Turkmens nowadays speak varieties of Turkish and Azeri, not Turkmen, and culturally are much closer to other Turkish- and Azeri-speaking groups than to Central Asian Turkmens. There is also no evidence as to whether they identify with Turkmens of Turkmenistan, which is why it would be incorrect to show their population figures in this article's infobox. There should probably be a separate section in this article dedicated to the ethnonym. Parishan (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkmen was a synonym for Oghuz Turk 

message: Both user falsified , . The estimate for Iran is 1-2% and both users falsified CIA data.--188.158.84.116 (talk) 10:49, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  A lot of falsifications on population section 

message: The Turkmens in Afghanistan are almost 2 Millions.
The statistic 400.000 is from 1997 so i think it is Time to refresh it :D
Actually theire are plenty other sources but they are in Persian or in Pashto or Turkmeni that is the English side i have found.
https://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/15654/AF  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prinsofpersia1999 (talk • contribs) 11:21, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkmens in Afghanistan 

message: in iraq and syria there are signaficant turkmen population  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.44.29.248 (talk) 03:52, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Iraqi Turkmen and Syrian Turkmen are not part of the ethnic Turkmen diaspora, as they have not migrated to these regions from Turkmenistan. O.celebi (talk) 22:53, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iraq and Syria? 

message: You wrote wrong 
Turkmens are in Afghanistan maybe more than 6 millions why you wrote wrong please correct that  Oğuz Türkmen oğlu (talk) 13:41, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  You wrote wrong Turkmens population  

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: , , I don't intend to involve myself too closely in this, but I just wanted to point out what our reliable source guidelines (WP:SCIRS say about genetics sources, namely:
So that this is clear, the guidelines describe the three types of sources as follows:
Any sources being used on this article for information on genetics that do not meet this guideline are not RS and should be removed.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current edit warring over genetics: [[WP:SCIRS]] 

message: Is there any reason why you can't mention it's Y-DNA aswell ?
What is the reason for this exactly, please explain
DerekHistorian (talk) 14:37, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why exclude mentioning the Turkmen's haplogroups Q and other Y-DNA haplogroup 

message: This information has been removed, with the following edit summary: " Removed extensive POV using low quality references, as well a misinter0retation of a DNA study. WP:SYNTH." I think it is relevant and should be included.  
 Thoughts? -- Tobby72 (talk) 15:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnogenesis 

message: : you removed an  with the explanation: "A nation is a stable community of people formed on the basis of a common language, territory, history, ethnicity, or psychological make-up manifested in a common culture. A nation is more overtly political than an ethnic group".
That's quite a broad definition. The only elaboration in the article refers to Soviet attempts to establish Turkmen national identity based on "a fixed territory and a common language", but it's not clear to what extent this succeeded. The "fixed territory" in this case would presumably be the present nation of Turkmenistan. So that would seem to be the nation in question. The use of nation in the lead section is therefore ambiguous, which is why I added the  tag.  —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 08:42, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nation? 

message: The haplogroup information and referannces can also be found in the Haplogroup Q-M242, right in the sections of Central Asia and Southwest Asia.
Haplogroup Q-M242 is commonly found in Siberia, Southeast Asia, Central Asia. This haplogroup forms a large percentages of the paternal lineages of Turkmens.
Grugni et al. (2012) found Q-M242 in 42.6% (29/68) of a sample of Turkmens from Golestan, Iran. Di Cristofaro et al. (2013) found Q-M25 in 31.1% (23/74) and Q-M346 in 2.7% (2/74) for a total of 33.8% (25/74) Q-M242 in a sample of Turkmens from Jawzjan. Karafet et al. (2018) found Q-M25 in 50.0% (22/44) of another sample of Turkmens from Turkmenistan.Tatiana M. Karafet, Ludmila P. Osipova, Olga V. Savina, et al. (2018), "Siberian genetic diversity reveals complex origins of the Samoyedic-speaking populations." Am J Hum Biol. 2018;e23194. https://doi.org/10.1002/ajhb.23194. DOI: 10.1002/ajhb.23194. Haplogroup Q have seen it's highest frequencies in the Turkmens from Karakalpakstan (mainly Yomut) at 73%.
A genetic study on the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroups of a Turkmen sample describes a mixture of mostly West Eurasian lineages and minority of East Eurasian lineages. Turkmens also have two unusual mtDNA markers with polymorphic characteristics, only found in Turkmens and southern Siberians..
I see no reason why you can't edit any genetic information on Turkmen when every Turkic ethnic group has one (except for Turkmen). My edit recently got removed by editor User talk:Beshogur and accused me of being a sock in his edit summary, this is a serious accusation. Kezo2005 (talk) 20:20, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . This isn't an edit request, and it's not clear what you want to do.  Moreover, the page isn't protected is configured for pending changes, so you should be able to edit it yourself.  If your edits are being reverted, you need to discuss them with those who dispute them and come to a consensus.  And they should have a better reason for reverting if an SPI found no link.  For general advice for new editors, try the Teahouse. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 23:16, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would like to help out Kenzo2005. It's a good thing I checked. I was going to edit the Turkmen page about haplogroup Q but with my own previous edit, but I think Kenzo2005 collection of sources is so much better. I agree with Kenzo2005 and would like to edit for him, the sources he used are all correct. The reason there isn't a dispute is because those sources are all factually correct. How does even dispute on high quality studies. Queenplz (talk) 05:52, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

text: I will help Kenzo2005. I also agree with the info he is using. Kenzo2005 last link needs a little fixing and I will help him. The user is currently inactive, either lack interest due to waiting for so long or for other reasons. Queenplz (talk) 20:08, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetics on Turkmen 

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 I would like someone to help me and Kenzo2005. So far I've pinged the other users since 4 days ago and they have not responded ( it could be the ping doesn't work) so I'm asking for a third opinion. Queenplz (talk) 02:48, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I will help Kenzo2005. I also agree with the info he is using. Kenzo2005 last link needs a little fixing and I will help him. The user is currently inactive, either lack interest due to waiting for so long or for other reasons. Queenplz (talk) 20:08, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third opinion 

message: Claims are untrue and not backed up by some citations LordAgincourt (talk) 21:54, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is pushing POV 

message: Have anyone realized that not even half of those persons in the first picture are Turkmen or related with Teke Turks?46.114.3.237 (talk) 18:14, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: From this revision:
*The earliest reference to the term "Turkmen" appears in the Chinese literature as a country name.[27] Chinese encyclopedia T’ung-tién (8th century A.D) contains information where the country of Su-i or Su-de[28][29] (probably Sogd or Sogdia), which had commercial and political relations with China in the 5th century A.D., is also called T’ö-kü-Möng[30] (Turkmen country).[31]
Current revision:
*Chinese encyclopedia Tongdian (8th century A.D) mentions that Sogdia (粟弋 Sùyì or 粟特 Sùtè) had commercial and political relations with China in the 5th century A.D. and was also called 特拘梦 Tèjūmèng. Tejumeng 特拘梦 (< MC *dək̚-kɨo-mɨuŋH) might be a transliteration of the country name Türkmen.
The original text copy-pasted from a student’s thesis (PDF link). It's not Vasily Bartold's work and it's not WP:RS. --Wario-Man (talk) 07:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI --Wario-Man (talk) 07:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The article will need to be checked over carefully for similar lapses. I just removed a source (supposedly by Yury Zuev, who may be a problematic source to begin with) that does not appear in WorldCat and has a false ISBN number, meaning it probably doesn't exist.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

text:  I've read the thesis. The student cited Golden (1992) & Peter Benjamin Golden is WP:RS. This is the relevant passage from Golden's 1992 book "An Introduction to the History of the Turkic Peoples" (p. 212-213): "A Sogdian letter of the 8th century mentions trwkkm’n which, if it is not trkwm’n ("translator") may be the earliest reference to this ethnonym [Türkmen]. The Chinese historical work, T'ung-tien [pinyin Tongdian] (ca.801) mentions the T'ê-chü-meng [pintyin Tejumeng] in Su-tê [Sute] (Sogdia) which has also been viewed as a rendering of this name. [136]" Golden cited source [136] as "Livšic, Sogdijskie dokumenty, vyp. II, p. 177n.4; Bartol'd, Oeerk ist. Trkmn, SoCinenija, II/1, pp. 550-551." This is the relevant passage from Tongdian 193 "粟弋，後魏通焉。在蔥嶺西，大國。一名粟特，一名特拘夢。" My translation: "Suyi, Latter Wei [knew it] thoroughly. [It is] a large country to the west of Onion Ridge. Another name is Sute, another name is Tejumeng." Is Golden's receptiveness (tho' long ago) to the claim about possible earlier references to Türkmen enough to reinstate the claim (though very speculative)? Erminwin (talk) 20:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

text: , I think Golden is a good source, 1992 is not too ancient. Does he say anything about the etymology of the name, you’ll see in the section above this that we’re debating whether Vambery or Barthold should be cited as though their ideas are current scholarship on the name.—Ermenrich (talk) 22:09, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is what Golden said about etymology (p. 213-3) " Contemporary popular etymologies (e.g. al-Birûnî) attempted to connect this ethnonym with Turk + Iran. mânand "like, resembling." Modem scholarship, however, views it as deriving from Türk + Turk. -men (a suffix of strengthening).137" "137. For a discussion of these early citations see Agadžanov, Očerki, pp. 80-83 who views them as a mestizo, Islamicized, largely Oguz grouping in Western Semireč'e and the Middle Syr Darya, and Sümer, Oğuzlar, esp. pp. 51-52. See also Chap. 11." This is what Golden wrote elsewhere about the suffix *-mÆn "Alongside all the other difficulties involved in the Qun-Quman relationship, no one has yet explained why Qun became Quman. ( qun + man "the real Quns"? > *qumman > quman ?)." (p. 276-7) Too short for me to draw any conclusion.Erminwin (talk) 22:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks , that basically confirms what I’ve read elsewhere. Do you have an opinion on the existence of a separate Turkoman (ethnonym) article? Something else where someone with access to sources would have a better idea than me.—Ermenrich (talk) 22:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

text: Peter Golden is a well-known Turkologist. His works are WP:RS. Feel free to use them. --Wario-Man (talk) 15:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source verification 

message: Turkmen are partly Iranian or Indo-European origin. My edit was recently removed so I want to point out this is not fringe theories. On the Armenians/Georgian of me claiming they were Iranians were possibly fringe since they aren't really linguistically Iranian but the ancient population of Turkmenistan are.
1)Turkmen Status within Iranian Ethnic Identity (Cultural, Geographical, Political) https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/234673757.pdf.
:"Genetic of Turkmens indicates a combination of Turkic and Iranian admixture that the modern Turkmen have inherited. It corresponds to the historical record of Turkmenistan, where various Iranian tribes existed in the region of Turkmenistan, prior to the migration of Turkic tribes who invaded and merged with the local Iranian population, imparted their language and created something of a hybrid Turko-Iranian culture. "
2)The source comes from that link. Also the history of Turkmenistand is inhabited by Indo-European Iranian tribes but are dissapeared today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Turkmenistan
:"By 2000 BCE, Indo-European peoples had settled throughout the region. Most of the present-day Turkmenistan was occupied by BMAC-related societies and the Dahae (also known as the Daae, Dahā, Daoi and similar names) – a tribal confederation located immediately east of the Caspian. The Massagetae and Scythians were also present, immediately north of BMAC and the Dahae. "   The Dahe, Massagatae, Scythians are all Iranian tribal populations that inhabited Turkmenistan
3) The mtDNA study shows " Turkmens: Genetic studies show that the Turkmens are characterized by the presence of local Iranian mtDNA lineages, similar to the eastern Iranian populations "
Vamlos (talk) 19:38, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkmen's Iranian origin 

message: Turkmens are NOT generally known as "Turkmen Turks", we are known only as Turkmens and historically were called Oghuz Turkmen. The article cites only Turkish sources which call Turkmen people as "Turkmen Turks", the article should either clearly say "also known in Turkey as Turkmen Turks" or not mention "Turkmen Turks" at all as it is relevant only to Turkey and this is Wikipedia's English language section. 
Here is the definition of Britannica about the name of the Turkmens: 
"Turkmen (people). Alternative Titles: Turcoman, Turkmeny, Turkoman." - Turkmen (people)
Here is what the Big Russian Encyclopedia says about the name of the Turkmens:
"ТУРКМЕ́НЫ (тур­ко­ма­ны; са­мо­на­зва­ние – турк­мен, мн. ч. турк­мен­лер; араб., перс. те­ре­ке­ме, ус­тар. рус. – трух­ме­ны, трух­мен­цы, трух­мя­не) - TURKMEN (Turkomans; self-name - Turkmen, plural Turkmenler; Arabic, Persian Terekeme, obsolete Russian - Trukhmeny, Trukhmentsy, Trukhmyane). - Туркмены
 Bayram A (talk) 11:00, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkmen Turks? 

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message: The term Turkmen itself already contains the word "Turk". https://tk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Türkmenler Google it, these are sources in Turkish by modern Turkish authors. V.N.Ali (talk) 01:15, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: what do you think? Beshogur (talk) 18:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No per WP:OR. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:27, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: , we are waiting for your point of view on this issue here. V.N.Ali (talk) 11:34, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to demonstrate how those sources aren't reliable in this context. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:58, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Explain your last edit in the article. And you don't have to threaten to go to the admins every time. This is not a prison, but an effort to create a reliable encyclopedic article. Look at my edits from January 30 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkmens&diff=1068836995&oldid=1068833344) and February 2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Turkmens&diff=1069512996&oldid=1068854869), what do you have to say to this? For example, the Turkish newspaper writes "Kazak Türkleri", but the Kazakhs never say so. "Kazakhs" itself is a full-fledged ethnonym and designation of an ethnic group. V.N.Ali (talk) 15:15, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you know that about the Kazakhs? Do you have something to back that? Anyways, I agree that the Türkiye gazetesi is not appropiate. That leaves 2 sources, what about those? --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:27, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There are Kazakh acquaintances, sometimes I look through Kazakh news and literature and do not meet such things about myself from Kazakhs. Residents of Kazakhstan - Kazakhstani, ethnicity - Kazakhs. Those who claim that Kazakhs or Central Asian Turkmens use such terms as "Kazak türkleri" and "Türkmen türkleri" about themselves and in their language should confirm this with credible, strong scientific sources. I'm sure many Central Asian Turkmens would be very surprised to hear such a phrase about themselves. Can anyone provide a fragment of that quote from these two sources, which says that the Central Asian Turkmen also call themselves "Türkmen türkleri"? I can not find it... I think the sources should point to the endonym. Or it should be a scientific source in the Turkmen language that would use the term "Türkmen türkleri". Otherwise, what does it do in the introduction (Turkmen: Türkmen türkleri, توركمن تورکلری) if it is not a Turkmen term? This must be removed along with sources that do not confirm this. V.N.Ali (talk) 13:52, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Türkmen türkleri" 

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