Talk:Vanir

message: Maybe something should be added about Venus here, Venus and Vanir seems to come from the same IE root, also they seem to share similar mythological traits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.112.113.118 (talk) 09:05, 2 December 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This was included in the opening paragraph some time ago. --(Mingus ah um 04:49, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Venus

message: I reverted this:
:It is said that Loki will lead the Vanir once again to war against the Aesir during a time called Ragnarok, when the world is destroyed and a perfect paradise is created thereafter.
I've never come across this in the lore. Also, the war between the Vanir and Aesir (which occurs in the mythological past) is not the same as Ragnarok (which occurs in the future). —Ashley Y 05:01, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
:As well as Ragnarok being a war between the Æsir and the Jotun, not the Æsir and the Vanir. 85.226.122.152 21:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Loki leading the Vanir?

message: I'm posting the same question here as on Talk:Æsir#Æsir or æsir?: should "Vanir" be written with lower  or upper case initial? Salleman 4 July 2005 16:04 (UTC)
:Although it was a good idea to post the question here as well, perhaps it's better to keep the actual discussion in one place. I've replied at Talk:Æsir#Æsir or æsir? Shinobu (talk) 17:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vanir or vanir?

message: From the first sentence of the Members section: ...and Freyja, goddess of love and sexuality, who lived among the Æsir at Yggdrasil directly below the Æsir. Did she live among or directly below the Æsir?  --(Mingus ah um 04:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Necessary edit

message: I'm requesting more info from Ashley Y on this, and Ashley has a standing request that people mention article discussions in the article page.
I'm curious to know about the Heimdall/Vanir link. It would be a good thing to expound upon in the article, but I'm asking for my own understnding.
Liastnir 14:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a proper ref. It's only a possibility, says Davidson, because we don't really know all that much about Heimdall. —Ashley Y 01:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Heimdall/Vanirlink 

message: According to this annotaded version of Völuspá:
The cult of the Wanes (Vanir) seems to have originated among the seafaring folk of the Baltic and the southern shores of the North Sea, and to have spread thence into Norway in opposition to the worship of the older gods; hence the "war." Finally the two types of divinities were worshipped in common; hence the treaty which ended the war with the exchange of hostages. Chief among the Wanes were Njorth and his children, Freyr and Freyja, all of whom became conspicuous among the gods. Beyond this we know little of the Wanes, who seem originally to have been water-deities.
This is similar to the Parallels section in the article, although not exactly the same. Shinobu (talk) 10:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parallels 

message: Maybe, Sif, wife of Thorr,was Van before marriage? What's about another wives of Æsir? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.86.230.114 (talk • contribs) 07:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The only three figures directly attested as Vanir are Njörðr, Freyja, and Freyr. :bloodofox: (talk) 04:37, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Beyond these three direct attestations there is only guesswork. This article will hopefully, by time, give a full coverage of theorized Vanir as well. –Holt  T•C 00:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Vanir 

message: Neolithic Europe does not equate to "Pre-Indo-European", the Proto-Indo-European and the ancestors of the Proto-Indo-Europeans were also part of Neolithic Europe. Using such dual terms Indo-European/Pre-Indo-European may induce the fallacy of basing the entirety of historic on a single topic. Thus, it is better to refer to the gods of ancient europe as Gods from ancient times, as they may stem from time immemorial not just a pre-Indo-European/Indo-European era - that is a limited view.
Also, while the Vanir are popularly seems as "fertility gods", this very view is an archaism, a conception held by early scholars who first analised the pre-Christian European religion, but still through a christian-dominated view. Modern scholars, including the sourced Dumézil translated by Lindow, do not necessarily apply the term "fertility gods" as a classification for the entirety of the Vanir. Their so-called structuralist view only stresses that they fulfilled certain structural functions but, for instance, divide gods responsible for fertility between the Aesir and Vanir. In fact, many modern scholars even question the idea/archetype of 'fertility gods', so-called, ever being an actual belief and function held by the ancient pagan worldview to attribute to their gods. 
The changes I made to the text are substantiated and should stand, while (User talk:Bloodofox) gives no reason for his reversals. (User talk:187.36.176.42) 05:56, 01 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You're going to need to become familiar with the scholarship on this topic or you're going to simply be reverted everytime you introduce these bizarre changes. It's indisputable that a significant amount of scholarship on this topic, particularly pre-Dumézil (but also post-Dumézil in the case of Gimbutas), hinges on notions about the arrival of the Indo-Europeans among the so-called Old Europeans. :bloodofox: (talk) 16:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indo-European/Pre-Indo-European duality and the subject of the Vanir as fertility gods