Talk:Menelik II

message: Hi, 
The image that says "Menelik's campaigns (1879-1889)" is falsified. There was no Gondar province that extends to Welkait before 1930. It is misleading. The expansion for Gonder province (i.e. Begemder province) happened on 1941. Bereket Habte Selassie, "Constitutional Development in Ethiopia", Journal of African Law, 10 (1966), p. 79.Bahru Zewde, A History of Modern Ethiopia (London: James Currey, 1991), p. 86.
I am going to remove the map since it is misleading, and it appears to be added for the purpose of current day land politics (which is killing people). Lets only share facts please. 
Best regards,
Truth gate keeper (talk) 15:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: The image that says "Menelik's campaigns (1879-1889)" is falsified.

message: I'd recommend someone completely revise the 'Centralisation' center of this page. It has very evident biases, does not give proper context to events [references the last major war in Ethiopia as having been in the 16th century... and says tactics hadn't much changed from there??? This is incorrect, see 'Zemene Mesafint'. This period of constant warfare undeniably brought many changes to Ethiopia which should be explored in more depth.
It also depicts Ethiopian wars as much more petty than they actually were. True geo-political motives are not mentioned or considered and should be, otherwise this falls largely into the trope of pointless 'tribal wars'.
While on an individual level, conflict may have been about gaining trophies, ritual requirements, and looting goods - there was an undeniable other reason for warfare: political incentives, desire of certain trade routes, power, etc. 'Lords' were often driven by these desires - economic, geopolitical, etc.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HiddenHistoryPedia (talk • contribs) 23:29, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Centralisation' Section 

message: There is an editorial dispute about the 1886 Aanolee massacre. If you disagree with the sourcing and text in , which seems to be identical to the version prior to the edit war, then please explain what is wrong with the sources. Two alternative sources that have been suggested include zahabesha and Borkena (federal government news media). If these sources are serious enough, then WP:NPOV might be justified. Boud (talk) 01:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I added one more reference to a paper by Gnamo Abbas. Abbas, H.G., 1999. La conquête impériale éthiopienne des Oromo-Arsi (1882-1892). Africa, pp.85-115. This is not small stuff; the man obtained his PhD at Sorbonne in Paris! Thank you, Boud for pointing to his interview also. We'll soon have enough materials to write a separate article in addition on the Aanolee massacre; it would be good if somebody could access the corresponding entry in the Encyclopaedia Aethiopica, Institut f. Afrikanistik und Athiopistik, Universitat Hamburg, Germany, 2004. And, I would suggest to Mooproop1: better to face it, so many countries need to face their past. Rastakwere (talk) 15:19, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aanolee massacre 

message: This is a fake massacre made up by tplf so stop putting it here. Zehabesha and Bokerna are much more reputable than the oromo.com websites you've provided. Menelik saved oromo from colonisation and had a wife and was christan. stop spreading lies. just because oromo region talks about these lies doesnt make them real. they haven't provided any "scientific evidence". it is just a lie to divide the country. i've cited many source proving that. stop spreading lies  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooproop1 (talk • contribs) 03:42, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aanollee 

message: Oh yeah and by the way the picture is not falsified. Tigray just stole the land in 1991. Just becaus every single map shows what you don't want it to doesn't make it falsified. It is the map of gondar and welqait was a part of gondar. Deal with it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooproop1 (talk • contribs) 03:50, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  WOLKAIT IS ALWAYS AMHARA GODNAR 

message: This guy just uses pro oromo websites and all this stuff like oromopride.com this isn't reputable. Many oromo doctors have debunked this myth in my sources. Stop changing and go do something else instead of spreading hate. I've seen your other edits. Just anti amhara stuff. Go do something else or go watch ur tigrai media house stop spreading fake news  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooproop1 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:AGF. Wikipedians have patience, but not infinite patience. Understanding and following WP:AGF is one of the fundamental requirements for editing Wikipedia content. Boud (talk) 19:22, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

text: The reason why others are conserving the status quo of the article is that you have not (yet) engaged fully in the discussion and do not seem to have understood the principles and methods of editing Wikipedia, such as signing with ~~~~, using indenting, and WP:AGF and WP:VERIFIABILITY. You should also use the preview button to check the meaning of what you have typed on a talk page before hitting the save button. People make mistakes, but if you make so many mistakes that others have to guess what you're trying to say, then it's difficult to converge on a decision; for example, you wrote  when what you meant was the Menelik II Wikipedia article.If you read Talk:Menelik II#Aanolee massacre, then you will see the current state of discussion about the sources. You are welcome to participate in the discussion, but you have to focus on the discussion and present your arguments about the sources clearly, in a structured rational way, seeking editorial consensus based on sources and respect for other editors, and making an effort to understand and discuss the sources themselves. You cannot expect others to do all the work in guessing what you are trying to say. Please read the links (typically shown in blue, but this may depend on your browser) that you have been shown by myself and others. Boud (talk) 05:54, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aanollee 

message: I'm not sure how relevant this bit on 16th century Ethiopia is to an article about a late 19th century Emperor, but regardless by real problem is that this term is not explained. Gadaa links to an article about a system of government, so it is not clear what is meant by 'Gadaa conquests'. It is like referring to 'democratic conquests' without even saying who the democrats are. LastDodo (talk) 10:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not relevant to this article, but Oromo nationalists are promoting Gadaa as a idignous form of ‘‘democratic system’’, someone needs to take a good look at Gadaa article for WP:NPOV. Gadaa conquest only means that the Gadaa system divides Oromos in age classes, and Oromos falling into the warrior age classes are supposed to conquer and kill enemies. It's a barbaric system if you ask me. YonasJH (talk) 10:12, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not here to take a position on a contentious issue, but if you understand the meaning of the term and the history, it would be good of you to bring some clarity to that section of the article. Most people outside Ethiopia will have no understanding of what it means at present. LastDodo (talk) 11:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes maybe it's should be a subsection background in the centralisation section, but i don't see the need for it to go all the way back to the 16th century, it's kind of crazy if you ask me. I'll work on it when i have more time, and some other editor can help. Thank you for pointing it out, i had to read the whole article to find it. It looks out of place in this article. YonasJH (talk) 13:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok great, I'll leave it with you. Btw 'CTRL-F' and 'Gadaa' would have found it instantly (assuming you're on a PC) :) LastDodo (talk) 13:31, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gadaa conquests 

message: @Ozywikieditor I don't believe this was a necessary addition to the page. And per Wikipedia rules this is on grounds for removal, as there is also a copy and paste on the Battle of Adwa page. The title says "Ethnic makeup of Menelik's government and forces" but only talks about the different ethnic and regional groups that served in the army of Adwa. Hence, this is not relevant to the page. Per WP:IRRELEVANT and WP:ANOTHER محرر البوق (talk) 23:02, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic makeup of Menelik's government and forces 

message: There's a widely-circulated factoid that this guy ate pages of the Bible whenever he fell ill because he believed Bible pages to have special healing abilities if ingested, and that he died as a result of eating the entire book of Kings. This Wikipedia article about him doesn't mention that at all, and no one has discussed the topic here, so I'll just submit that if anyone can verify that factoid- that Menelik II ate Bible pages, and died from eating the entire book of Kings- it should most definitely be added to this article about him. Just a suggestion. 50.249.29.169 (talk) 05:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emperor Menelik II ate pages of the Bible when he was sick, which also caused his death