Category talk:Anti-Zionism

message: The phrase "Anti-Zionism" means different things to different people and when reading it one needs to consider its context, who is saying it and how it is used. On the one hand there are people who hate Jews and Israel and anything to do with either. Racist, Neo-Nazi, and many Islamic fundamentalist groups who spout and promote anti-Zionism are at the same time rabidly anti-Semitic (or antisemitic) and there is absolutely no difference between their anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism since anti-Semitism is the broader and wider phenomenon, so that that kind of Anti-Zionism could unquestionably be a sub-category of antisemitism. On the other hand, there is an anti-Zionism that many reasonable and even Jewish people have that is in no way connected to anti-Semitism. The opposition of Haredi Judaism to secular political Zionism is well known. The Reform Judaism movement was strongly and openly opposed to any form of Zionism. There are genuine Jewish and non-Jewish scholars, intellectuals and liberals who do not accept the tenets and views of modern or ancient Zionism and they may even speak out and argue against it. None of these latter forms of anti-Zionisms are in any way connected to :Category:Antisemitism. Haredi Jews, Reform Jews, Liberal Jews and non-Jewish thinkers and academics who oppose modern-day secular political Zionism cannot be called "anti-Semites" and it would be ridiculous to even attempt to class them as such. Thus, because the situation here is ambiguous and subject to misunderstanding, miscategorization, and perhaps even (unintended or deliberate) false and misleading editing and categorization by editors who may not (want to) understand the delicate nuances here, this category should not be a sub-category of antisemitism. IZAK 22:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not all Anti-Zionism is the same 

message: I think that lquilter's suggestion in Wikipedia talk:Categorization#Does subcategorization automatically imply a proper subset? is the best solution. -- Avi 05:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cat see also 

message: Here's some history about the Jews who opposed Zionism during and before WWII, when Zionism was simply one minor Jewish viewpoint among many. It was acceptable among Jews to criticize Zionists until 1967. 
The Coffee House<BR>
American Jewish Commttee Report Goes After Liberal Anti-Semites<BR>
By M.J. Rosenberg<BR>
[URL:http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2007/jan/30/american_jewish_commttee_report_goes_after_liberal_anti_semites]
... And even the more virulent critics can hardly be called anti-semitic. Anti-semitism refers to hatred of Jews as a race. Before 1948, millions of Jews would have categorized themselves as anti-Zionist especially in Poland where the Socialist and anti-Zionist Jewish Bund was so powerful.
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Anti-Zionist Jews were among the leaders of the fight against the Nazis and were at the forefront of every ghetto uprising. It is almost sacreligious to take the term anti-semite and apply it to Jews who are part of a long standing and quite venerable Jewish tradition. Were the socialist, Bundist and anti-Zionist Jews who fought and died in the Shoah fuelers of anti-semitism? </P>
Nbauman 08:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish Anti-Zionists 

message: I stumbled across this page while cleaning up after a bunch of POV edits by a now-banned sockpuppet "Willian Tennant."    He added two rather mainstream organizations to this category, Council for the National Interest  and If Americans Knew (). I urge other readers to be cautious about inferring that inclusion in this category means that a group is anti-Semitic or otherwise associated with some of the unsavory members of this category. The category "Anti-Zionism" should be defined more carefully to prevent such abuses, IMO. Markdepp (talk) 12:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category being misused to smear legitimate groups by association with extremists