Talk:Gord Perks

message: Users here are quick to delete, not re-write the sentence or better source the article in this page and have taken the stance it is only a chronological ordered resume highlighting only the subject's accomplishments, not open to scrutiny as politicians are and should be.  
Users such as EncyclopediaUpdaticus are biased towards the NDP as the only real clue left is a suggestion to search out Elaine Ziemba, former High Park-Swansea MPP and defeated cabinet minister.  This user has deleted content, such as rewritten the results to total up the % and votes for independent or "fringe" candidates in the 2006 and 2010 council elections, almost as if they all ran as one borg.  The same users are censoring viewing of documents such as the external City of Toronto votes database that  can't see what their councillor voted for.  That's short circuiting democracy for you by censoring information, because we all know information is power.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.64.18 (talk) 05:54, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  This isn't a discussion, it's a dictatorship 

message: There's no POV agenda in the content, all newsworthy locally and in the broader Toronto media circus. Good bad or ugly, it's politics and current, relevant.  Any politician's record should be recorded; just part of the game. See Rob Ford's article, much more content and real cyber vandalism happens there.  See this exact link, he is not a proud gay man.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rob_Ford&diff=442110474&oldid=442110428
As for his brother Doug Ford, a disambiguation page called him an ******* by creating a parallel red lined article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doug_Ford&diff=446539286&oldid=445459473
Don't like it, find more information.  Think it to be too POV, edit it.  What a politician supports is what one supports, that's not POV that's a fact.
99.234.65.134  (talk) 21:02, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And editing is just what I did. Removing negative cherrypicking, statements backed up by unuseable sources (comments in papers) and neutralizing other statements. Night of the Big Wind talk 02:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

text: I find the "good, bad or ugly" comment to be amusing. This editor seems to be focused solely on the bad or ugly when it comes to Mr. Perks. There is not interest in presenting the good. Use:Night has appropriately edited by removing the POV-pushing. Ground Zero | t 03:23, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV Agenda 

message: Poor grammar and sentence structure?  It is unhelpful if users simply delete, they should rewrite it instead given this to be an evolving encyclopedia, rather than a printed one.
*It is unhelpful to dump a bunch of garbage in an article and tell others it`s their job to clean it up. It isn`t. Ground Zero | t 03:24, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar and sentence structure 

message: Newspapers are generally valid encyclopedia sources.  Not all newspapers have free content after the initial publishing period has lapsed.  Articles must be cited, not all sources are online due to age of article or require a paid subscription.  The citation cannot be deleted for that reason.
Publishers that provide online paid subscription include The Toronto Star, The Globe and Mail among other newspaper publishers.
:This is a BLP, so sources must verifyable. Subscription-only services are not verifyable. And opinion pieces, like editorials and commentaries in newspapers, give opinions, noit facts. So as source they are unusable for articles about living people. I have rolled back all your edits... Night of the Big Wind talk 09:28, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, any printed source is verifiable. Having an online component is just a bonus. References made in papers published 30 years ago or 100 years ago are fair game. FYI, articles from the Globe and the Star are available through the Toronto Public Library website (free access with a library card, which is also free to Toronto residents). Look for a database called Canada Newstand which has issues going back to about 1985. There is also Pages of the Past which has scanned images of papers from 1860 to 2003. EncyclopediaUpdaticus (talk) 11:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is a serious point, it is more then likely that there are also other sources then this payed one. I'm only asking for another source... Night of the Big Wind talk 17:23, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newspaper subscription services 

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