Talk:List of primary statistical areas of the United States

message: I have updated the names used in the table to reflect changes made by the Office of Management and Budget on November 20, 2007. The former names were used in the latest Census Bureau population estimates (as of July 1, 2007) and will change to the present names at the next update. --Acntx (talk) 13:33, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Metro/Micropolitan Area Name Changes

message: Anybody updating this table with the new 2008 data? --Felt (talk) 13:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 2008 Data

message: This article is 203 kilobytes long, but I don't think it would be a good idea to split it up.  What do you think?  --Buaidh (talk) 21:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: >Keep as is - it useful to measure these agglomerations in one area.--Felt (talk) 13:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Length of article

message: I updated the table with United States Census Bureau estimates for July 1, 2008.  Please do not alter the table.  I reduced the length of this article to 130 KiB.  I will update the table with the Census Bureau estimates for July 1, 2009, about March 31, 2010.  Yours aye, Buaidh (talk) 16:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 2008 population estimates

message: Since the 2010 Census has been completed, I'd suggest incorporating the data from it into this article.71.142.240.36 (talk) 04:18, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 Census 

message: The ranking needs to be looked over, for if one sorts by ranking or the 2011 estimate, they don't always go in order. --Paploo (talk) 23:58, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies for the foul-up with the rankings.  Everything should be correct now.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  13:47, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2011 Ranking/Estimate 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Statistical area which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 17:55, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: There are some new changes in the CSAs and this page ought to be updated, accordingly... In particular, the Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI Combined Statistical Area now includes the following:
Beaver Dam, WI Micropolitan Statistical Area 
Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI Metropolitan Statistical Area 
Racine, WI Metropolitan Statistical Area
Watertown-Fort Atkinson, WI Micropolitan Statistical Area 
Whitewater-Elkhorn, WI Micropolitan Statistical Area
Please update all pages with updated stats ASAP 
Thanks!
Maximilian77 (talk) 21:55, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: New February 2013 designations

message: On February 28, 2013, the United States Office of Management and Budget defined, renamed, and redefined a large number of United States Statistical Areaa.  Please help relink the  Statistical Areas to the appropriate metropolitan area article.  If the Statistical Area comprises only one county, please link to that county.  Thank you,  Buaidh  14:13, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as we are on the subject of updating content, it would be timely and extremely appropriate to stop pretending that "Statistical Area" is a term that is uniquely defined to mean one of these US census-defined population concentration areas. I'm starting a new Requested Move discussion at Talk:Statistical area. --Orlady (talk) 03:41, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please help relink 

message: Agree with the writer below. The term primary does not even appear in current documentation by the Office of Management and Budget, which designates MSAs, CSAs, etc. The adjective "primary" used to be attached to a pmsa... primary metropolitan statistical area, a designation that was eliminated in 2003. I dont know the process for deletion, but this article should be deleted.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.128.26 (talk) 11:57, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Out of Date... Delete

message: I strongly oppose deletion of this page as suggested in the entries below because this is the the only useful and demographically relevant listing of US urban agglomeration populations ranked according to their largest qualified measure by the U.S. government.  No other method or list more accurately displays the largest population agglomerations of the United States using official U.S. census data.   A ranking of MSAs alone does not do this because, as one example, San Francisco MSA's are broken apart (Oakland, San Jose, etc), pushing a smaller metro, e.g., Houston ahead of San Francisco - There are far more people in the San Francisco urban agglomeration than in Houston (at least for now).  It is better to take the San Francisco CSA, rather than MSA, to rank it in the list of largest U.S. urban agglomerations. The table of US Census defined CSAs, however, is also not complete as some cities do not fit the qualification (Tampa and a couple other major cities have not qualified as a CSA yet).  However, their MSAs do reflect the largest official measurement of those agglomerations. As a result, this list is the only place where a ranking of the size of the United States Urban Agglomerations can be found using official information (barring those few urban agglomerations that cross international borders such as Detroit, San Diego, or El Paso). The CSAs, MSAs and microSAs compiled and ranked by population or population growth (assuming that none of the qualifications for a given area are a part of another) is useful data for those studying demographics, marketing, and any other field that requires knowledge of urban agglomeration populations.
As far as renaming, here is one proposal => "List of Largest Agglomerations of the United States" -- and possibly add "by highest level U.S. Government Office of Management and Budget (OMB) definition".
Felt (talk) 03:49, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote to Rename

message: This page is completely original research. As others have noted, CSAs and MSAs/µSAs are not comparable statistically. For those who think the CSA is useful because it somehow captures the "real" metropolitan area, then it seems you have a problem with how metropolitan areas are defined by the OMB/Census Bureau. I suggest you take it up with them.
The page needs to be deleted. I don't understand why a list of CBSAs won't suffice. MSAs and µSAs are comparable. MSA/µSA = one CBSA, while CSA = two or more CBSAs. 
Jim0101 (talk) 02:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There are different ways of seeing the world. Strict adherence to the intended uses of the MSA & CSA concepts established by the OMB might work for regional scientists, statisticians, and others who see the world as a series of regression analyses. But this list here represents reality from the perspective of geographers, anthropologists, and others who see the world in human or morphological terms. If you are trying to talk about cities in a morphological (not administrative) sense and you have knowingly decided to use the CSA agglomerations as an indication of size, understanding the conflict with the OMB's intent, then, as I mentioned above (in section: "A Vote for Deletion"), a list like this is the only way to ensure that you account for all cities including those that are not part of any CSA. It doesn't matter that this list contradicts the OMB's strictures because it is a description of a certain perspective upon reality that transcends the ability of any statistical agency to define with certainty and consistency. This list is the only somewhat formal way to represent what is a widespread interpretation of physical reality shared among a wide array of discursive (as opposed to computational) fields of study. This page is an important addition to - not a replacement for - the official MSA and CSA information, and it needs to remain available. EmergentProperty (talk) 03:13, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I want to clarify by saying this another way: If you are trying to talk about urban regions, not compute things about urban regions, and if your concept of urban region includes both a core and all of its interconnected satellites as a single region, then you will be attracted to the CSA category because that is, in fact, what it's for. But then, if you want to be sure you don't leave any places out of your discussion, you have a problem because there are several significant metro areas that are not part of any CSA and are therefore not included in lists of CSA's. This page is the solution to that problem. It is a complete list of urban places when the CSA has been chosen as the most useful, but not the exclusive, definition of a single place. EmergentProperty (talk) 03:37, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk here seems sort of dead, but putting in my vote to delete. 

message: As we move toward 2020 census data being added, it would be nice to have square miles added as well, but I know better than to put in the work on that project before discussing it. What do people think about having the square miles of each area on the table? 205.185.132.122 (talk) 16:17, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area