Talk:Sydney FC/Archive 1

message: Is there really any point in having records and noted players/managers sections for such a young club? In the latter case, there's only one of each and they can surely be mentioned in the article text. J.K. 08:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they were unsourced and potentially defamatory. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. ～J.K. 07:26, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Best played four games, Yorke is the first truly big name to sign a permanent contract with an Australian club. Gorast 08:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original messages without headers 

message: From the SMH: "Glamour FC, Hollywood FC or Bling Bling FC - whatever the choice of nickname, Sydney are the tall poppies of the new competition." I'm a Sydney FC supporter and I actually find any and all of those nicknames humorous and positive. Does anybody else think that it would be appropriate to use one of them (though which, I'm really not certain) in the club infobox? Or are they all a bit too derogatory and not really in widespread use? Veila 11:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There used to be "Bling FC" listed there. Someone must have taken it out, much to my disappointment. It's too perfect for the club not to use. ～J.K. 12:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Really? I wouldn't have expected to hear that one outside Sydney. But then, for a club as devoid of identifying features as this one, I suppose there's really no other options. ～J.K. 04:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Club nickname 

message: There is now a Sydney FC userbox that people can plaster all over their user page! Simply add  someplace and all will be good in the world. veila# 00:11, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sydney FC userbox 

message: It just seemed so pointless, I removed it. This is an encyclopedia entry, not a "breaking news" page. If there's a signing that is in fact a "transfer" that is significant enough to be discussed in depth (i.e. i'm thinking something that will actually be relevant and significant years from now.. like if we get Ronaldinho or something and as a direct result the club conquers the world), otherwise just add/remove the player from the squad list as there is no point contributing something that will be removed in a few months. Also, notice no other club page has that sort of section. --[dM] 11:31, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transfers Section 

message: Portillo, suggesting that all cove members attend every match is just untrue, all songs that are sung by the cove are, inherently, for Sydney FC, how can a group of individuals produce "official" cove merchandise and taking "vivacious" out left the sentence grammatically flawed. Please feel free to keep editing the article, but try to be a little more careful in your edits. Thanks. ⁂veila# 13:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: TECHNICALLY Cove "members" are those with season-tickets in the cove, so I'd argue that it is a reasonable generalisation to say that they attend every game. Also, I don't see the point of "unofficial" to describe the merchandise seeing as it is Cove merchandise as opposed to Sydney FC merchandise, and the profits go to the fans fund which directly pays for the flags/banners etc used by the Cove. Anyway, that section of the article could do with a re-write, which I might do along with "First Season" when I have some more time. --[dM] 04:20, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Cove

message: According to the little information box on the right hand side the Sydney FC shirt colours are black and blue (home) and black and white (away), this is obviously not the case. I don't know how to fix it but I'm sure someone who does could do it. James 24 87 07:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its something strange with the way IE and Firefox interpret 3-figure colour codes. I guess you're using IE, should be fixed now. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 09:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sydney FC shirt colour 

message: Ok, so I just removed this section of the article. It seems totally pointless to make a "list" of two celebrities (well there were 3, but Andy Harper is hardly "famous" outside of footballing circles, so it doesn't really count), not to mention that big Euro clubs who would actually have a reasonable number to list don't have such a section. Anthony La Paglia's involvement in the club is already mentioned in the article and you can feel free to mention Jimmy Barnes/Club anthem, though I was waiting for it to actually come out. Hopefully no-one has any issues with that, and if you do then that's why i'm posting in discussion. ==> [dM] 12:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Fans 

message: I've been working on the article here (edited by [dM] 05:10, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks good, though I am not sure how serious the suggested move to Homebush was.Tancred 17:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with the move being proposed but I don't think it needs the figures in there. Something more along the lines of "Media repots during the 2006 off-season suggested that the club was considering moving its home games to Sydney's other premier sporting ground, Telstra Stadium. However the lure of playing in one of Australia's largest stadiums did not outweigh the fan-friendly acoustic qualities of Aussie. As such, Aussie Stadium remains Sydney FC's home venue." Dulberf 01:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-write of sorts 

message: I have removed the above tag from the Cove section.  What is said there is common knowledge.  Anyone who has been to a home game knows what the Cove is all about.  Anyone who follows sport in Australia knows how silent other sporting crowds are.Tancred 19:51, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  unreferencedsect

message: matthew bingley is back at Sydney FC(see []|Bingley called in). does anyone know what newcastle premier league team he came from.? thanksBoltonfan22 08:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hamilton I'm pretty sure (if that is one of the clubs). – AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 13:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matthew Bingley 

message: Hi all. I've restructured this article, according to the guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Clubs. Please help expand the sections that are empty or lacking in content. Also, please discuss the proposal to merge the article on former players into the 'Noted players' section. Normally, this would only include players who have had a significant impact (e.g. played over 100 games), but with only one season under their belts, most/all former players can be included. Fedgin 11:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest I don't think the Noted players section is necessary yet..... and I think a list of every player to have played would be a bit ugly. IMO that part should be kept as it was.... a 'Noted players' section can be added when there's more to put there. As for the clubs and badges, I was considering including it in my re-write a while ago... but considering I didn't have much beyond "blue is the traditional colour of Sydney" I didn't have much to say, and definitely nothing that I could cite. That does have a place in the article, so I agree with throwing  it in with a request for expansion. -[dM] 11:32, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also, if we need a "Noted players" section, I think we keep it at just notable players. It doesn't make sense adding guys who basically warmed the bench, if that. Laurie, Salazar, Buonavoglia... combined they made one or two league appearances and seeing as they aren't involved with the club anymore I don't see the need for them to be mentioned in the article. I don't see why not just leave them on the list of players article. -[dM] 03:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, I completely agree. The thing is, the 'list of Sydney FC players' is just duplicating the Category:Sydney FC players and it's the same for each of the A-League clubs. To be honest, I'm a Scot with an interest in the A-League, so I rely on finding stats rather than common local knowledge - I'm not sure who are household names, etc. Obviously, guys like Yorke deserve to be included here - I'd say for the moment, include those who have played some number of games and remove the lesser-known when more can be added. Fedgin 07:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Restructuring

message: Do we really need to list 5 of the 7 other A-League sides as rivals. It is a given that there is a level of rivalry between every club. I suggest culling this list to include MVFC and, maybe, AUFC, who are probably our biggest couple of rivals.  Downunda 00:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's necessary at all. For starters, two years is IMO far too short to establish real rivalries. For example, last year the whole "Sydney vs Adelaide" thing was a big deal, while this year it's not the case. The reverse is true if you substitute "Adelaide" with "Melbourne". Who knows if things will change in a couple of months and, for example, Newcastle is the big rivalry for next season? Or will this article record every season's annual media beat up? Aside from that, this section is unreferenced, poorly written and provides very little information for the near-150 words it takes up. For these reasons i'm removing this section, along with the kits section (which is redundant, kits are illustrated in the infobox and the rest is either irrelevant to an article on Sydney FC or baseless speculation for future kit changes) and the Sponsor section (not necessary) to bring the article back in line with the WP Football Club manual of style. -[dM] 04:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I concur with [dM] on the most part. For Rivalries - maybe just have the Sydney v Melbourne as it is IMO the most heated rivalry Batobatobato 08:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rivalries

message: http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/78980,stripped-exclusive-pictures-of-new-aleague-strips.aspx
Official kits for A-League 2007-08. Please do not revert The Frederick 15:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Official kits

message: Who is he? He keeps getting added then removed from the current squad. Batobatobato 12:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick google suggests he is a 15 year old kid who goes to Waverley College. has also added himself to the Soccerroo article. All deleted now...  Downunda 21:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Costa Pegios

message: I was just wondering what happened to this kid? He seems to have disappeared from Sydney, so I was wondering whether could fill me in. aLii 13:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was only on loan from Liverpool, and as I understand it, while Sydney wanted to pay him the minimum wage whilst Liverpool paid the rest, the FFA ruled that the entire amount counted under the salary cap, so they couldn't keep him. AFAIK he was going to return in January in any case. – AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 14:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aw, that sucks for Dean, but I guess it is only fair if you have a salary cap. aLii 17:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Dean Bouzanis]]?

message: Seeing as Sydney FC's support is split into two groups, The Cove and Sin City Crew, would it be Wikiworthy to include information on them? There was something on them not too long ago but I see that it has been removed.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.183.124.180 (talk) 09:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sin City Crew

message: Is it really necessary to have the text '(marquee)' next to Juninho's name in the squad list?  Its not a big deal, but it seems to have been constantly removed and replaced since he signed.  Does anyone feel strongly either way?  Do any other club articles do it? - Tomperc 10:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's important as the "Marquee" player is a feature/function of the A-League so personally I think the marquee player should be noted specifically. Batobatobato 00:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be more relevant if it linked to an article about what a marquee player is, especially in an A-League context (the article about Marquee briefly notes a broad definition for marquee player) - Tomperc 03:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Salary cap#A-League. Daniel 10:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Marquee

message: Is the section on rivalries really neccessary?  This was discussed before with the section cut down and then removed.  Its now back and grown to include 6 of the 7 other AL clubs.  Without time to develop some serious rivalries, I can't see a need for it to be there. - Tomperc 01:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. There is one genuine rivalry and that is with Melbourne. Everything else is incidental. We certainly do not have a rivalry with Wellington Phoenix. - Tom  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.60.101 (talk) 12:34, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rivalries (again)

message: I saw on the TV this evening that the LA Galaxy game is to be the first of a regular club challenge between A-league and MLS teams... perhaps this should be added as a 'Club Honour'? Proberton (talk) 12:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm having trouble finding a source to back it up and something clear that it will be a regular 'cup'.  I know that many are hoping to have some kind of A-League v MLS (v J-League?) regular challenge, but no firm agreements. - Tomperc (talk) 06:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyundai Club Challenge