Talk:Paul Wittgenstein

message: His gravestone has Nov 5
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=10634703
JimWae (talk) 23:46, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  5 NOV or May 11 

message: In the program notes for a performance of the Ravel Concerto for the Left Hand by pianist Christopher Taylor (the performance--the notes are by conductor Brian Hughes,) there appears the statement, "Wittgenstein's overbearing father, Karl, forbade Paul's three brothers to pursue a musical career and the three ended up committing suicide."
Is there a source I can turn to to verify this fact, and to learn more about the lives and deaths of these three brothers?
--Daddysir
: Ray Monk's biography of Ludwig Wittgenstein, and possibly also Wittgenstein's Poker (see the LW page for publication details).  There were eight children: Hermine, Hans, Kurt, Rudolf, Margarete, Helene, Paul and Ludwig (in order).  Hans was an infant musical prodigy, composing at the age of four, and even in a family of musicians was considered exceptional.  He ran off to the USA, disappearing off a boat in 1902, a presumed suicide.  Rudolf went to Berlin against his father's wishes and killed himself with cyanide in 1904, apparently after approaching an organisation for homosexuals for help.  Kurt commanded an army unit in the first world war and shot himself when they refused to obey orders.  The four younger children were educated quite differently, but the three older boys in particular were put under great pressure to become industrialists.  So in short, I think the passage above should say "Paul's three older brothers", but otherwise it's accurate.  --ajn (talk) 14:43, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paul Wittgenstein 

message: In the Ludwig Wittgenstein article it says that "this amount of gold would be worth over US$37 million" (in the context of the amount the family was forced to sign over to the Reichsbank in order to get a favorable racial identification).  However, this article says 
"...a total value of about $6 billion US dollars" and goes on to say how important this money was in the German war effort.
These two numbers are wildly different and references are given for neither.  Does anyone know the truth? Molinari 18:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amount surrendered to the Nazis? 

message: I've added a  to the section on exclusive performance rights for works commissioned by Paul Wittgenstein. This is because it's easy to find exceptions to the assertion that he reserved performance rights of commissioned works for himself during his lifetime. Ravel's concerto was performed by Jacques Février only a few years after Wittgenstein performed it himself. Siegfried Rapp performed Prokofiev's Piano Concerto No. 4 in Wittengstein's lifetime.
The phrase remain mine as long as I still perform in public may be important in his quote, so in other words he gave permission for pieces which he had no intention of performing again. Or it may be that he gave his permission for some pieces but not others. Or it may be that he had somewhat different contracts with different composers. I don't think the statement is completely wrong, but I do think it needs to be clarified why there are clear exceptions to the rule. --Merlinme (talk) 12:07, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exclusive performance rights? 

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message: Does anyone have any knowledge of Wittgenstein's last public performance? The latest year I have traced him publicly performing dates from 1954 when he performed the Ravel Concerto in Buffalo, NY. Any later dates anyone might suggest?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.20.136.132 (talk) 00:40, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wittgenstein as a performer 

message: Not really; family converted generations earlier on father's side; his mother wasn't Jewish.  Maybe by Nazi law he was considered Jewish, but, better to say something like: "born in Vienna with remote Jewsih heritage." Or, as said in the new yorker, "brought up as Christians, but they counted as full Jews under the Nuremberg racial laws because three of their grandparents had been born Jewish and did not convert to Christianity until they reached adulthood. (The fourth, their maternal grandmother, had no Jewish ancestry.)" Or better, have a section on the family genealogy, as done with his brother, Mwinog2777 (talk) 16:51, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Could those entire paragraphs in "The Wittgensteins" be copied across from Ludwig Wittgenstein? They would seem to be equally applicable here. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:09, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe its OK, and I have done.Mwinog2777 (talk) 01:55, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

text:  Sphilbrick, I couldn't locate what Mwinog2777 had (inadvertently) added from http://deutschlandostmark.blogspot.com/2015_03_01_archive.html. Presumably, the same problem exists at Ludwig Wittgenstein? I wonder could you elucidate? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:54, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Inadvertent, did change; Ludwig has the same problem.  Although I think the reference to Lang Lang should stay.Mwinog2777 (talk) 15:21, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Born in Vienna to Jewish parents"