Talk:Annexation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China

message: There is a significant treaty that is missing in the current article that should really be in the "background section", right after the British invasion of Tibet. The British sold Tibet back to the Chinese domain for a fee.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Between_Great_Britain_and_China_Respecting_Tibet 
In 1906, Britian and China signed a treaty in which in exchange for a fee, Britian promised not to annex Tibet or interfere with Tibetan administration. In 1907, Britian also signed a treaty with Russia, in which both countries agreed not to enter into negotiations with Tibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government. https://www.tibetjustice.org/materials/treaties/treaties12.html For Tibet to become a British protectorate or be under British laws, would actually be a violation of that treaty that britian had made with china. And such history should be added to that Background section. 49.179.144.133 (talk) 05:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Saying "in exchange for a fee, Britain promised not to annex Tibet" is WP:OR. Britain demanded Tibet to pay for the cost of Younghusband Expedition in the Treaty of Lhasa, and China, in order to claim sovereignty over Tibet, wanted to pay instead, since allowing Tibet to pay Britain directly would implicitly admit that Tibet was an independent entity with its own agency. From the British POV, it would get the money either way, so why "selling out Tibet" when it didn't get anything in return? Keep in mind that Tibet would still owe the money if Britain refused China's proposal to pay. --Happyseeu (talk) 04:01, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: After the British Invasion

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  (t/c) 00:40, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Annexation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China →  – The article not only expounds on the annexation but also delves into the invasion. The political and military activities were carried out as a unified operation. Therefore, it is imperative that the title reflects that the subject matter entails not only a mere political statement but also involves a military incursion. Furthermore, to differentiate this event from the Chinese invasion of the 18th century, when Tibet was brought under Chinese control in 1720, it may be useful to include the year of the invasion/annexation in the article's title. This will help to ensure that readers understand the specific historical context being discussed. Nagsb (talk) 18:19, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose. This formulation is less natural and fits the WP:criteria less well. Additionally, the hypothesized risk of confusion based on the timeline could not exist. The PRC (which is in the current article name) did not exist until 1949. It is not reasonable to believe readers will think an invasion by the PRC happened in the 18th century. JArthur1984 (talk) 23:30, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: if the risk of confusion could not exist, then Chinese invasion and annexation of Tibet is a perfect name. The title should make it clear that this subject is not only a political declaration, but also a military operation. Nagsb (talk) 17:43, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Support. It makes sense, but I think it’s better if we split this page between the Annexation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China and the 1950 Chinese invasion of Tibet. TankDude2000 (talk) 08:47, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose. A country cannot invade itself (or annex part of its own territory for that matter). Had the Société des Nations recognised Tibet's independence in 1913, then "invasion" would have been a proper word to use, but this never happened. Elnon (talk) 08:04, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose. As per the last move discussion, this is the formulation that most closely follows the format of other similar events, such as the Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation. Nothing about the title implies that military actions were not involved (plenty of annexations involve invasions), so keep it WP:CONCISE. SilverStar54 (talk) 23:29, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 7 April 2023