Talk:Smokers Die Younger

message: The tone of this article needs serious work.  It is not encyclopedic.
Notability is also questioned.  Entry on Discogs appears to have been self-promotional by its submitter. - CobaltBlueTony 16:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: From WP:MUSIC, the criteria for notability are as follows:
==Musicians and ensembles==
There are a lot of bands, singers and other musicians and musical ensembles with articles in the Wikipedia (see :Category:Musicians).
A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, hip hop crew, DJ etc) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:
* Has had a charted hit on any national music chart, in at least one large or medium-sized country.There are, at present, no precise definitions of a "small", "medium" or "large" country in this context.  However, a very limited definition of "small" will generally be used, excluding only a few of the world's smallest countries. 
* Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one large or medium-sized country.
* Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country, reported in notable and verifiable sources.
* Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
* Has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media (excludes things like school newspapers, personal blogs, etc...).
* Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such.
* Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city (or both, as in British hip hop); note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
* Has won a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno or Mercury Music Award.
* Has won or placed in a major music competition.
* Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page.)
* Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.
* Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast on a national radio network.
Dr. Jon, can you verify any of the preceding points?  If you can, we can drop the music notability tag at the top of the article, and we can progress from there.  Thanks for your help! - CobaltBlueTony 17:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Band notability criteria

message: There are a lot of bands, singers and other musicians and musical ensembles with articles in the Wikipedia (see :Category:Musicians).
A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, hip hop crew, DJ etc) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:
* Has had a charted hit on any national music chart, in at least one large or medium-sized country.There are, at present, no precise definitions of a "small", "medium" or "large" country in this context.  However, a very limited definition of "small" will generally be used, excluding only a few of the world's smallest countries. 
* Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one large or medium-sized country.
* Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country, reported in notable and verifiable sources.
* Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).
* Has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media (excludes things like school newspapers, personal blogs, etc...).
* Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such.
* Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city (or both, as in British hip hop); note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
* Has won a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno or Mercury Music Award.
* Has won or placed in a major music competition.
* Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page.)
* Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network.
* Has been the subject of a half hour or longer broadcast on a national radio network.
Dr. Jon, can you verify any of the preceding points?  If you can, we can drop the music notability tag at the top of the article, and we can progress from there.  Thanks for your help! - CobaltBlueTony 17:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Musicians and ensembles

message: I see there's been some changes as to whether the page starts "Smokers Die Younger are..." or "Smokers Die Younger is...". Surely as a British band, it should be the more more English "are" rather than the American "is"? (i.e. in the UK we'd say "Oasis are a band from Manchester", whereas Americans would say "REM is a band from Georgia"). Petemella 18:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smokers... is, Smokers... are 

message: *I've added an infobox, which incorporates the pic and band members, as well as other info.
*I've used the band's real names alongside nicknames, which makes it look less insidery (Golf is credited as James on the band's album, for example).
Some other suggestions...
*I'm not sure how much some of the text warrants bold type.
*Maybe incorporating the band facts and pre-history into the main text, as in my opinion they are not particularly interesting enough to warrant subsections. And Rhys and Graham didn't "do nothing" before Smokers... they just weren't in any bands!
Petemella 17:11, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some changes I've made and why 

message: I have added the unreferenced tag to the page. There are plenty of links above; I recommend you start sourcing things (especially stuff like the claim that Golf was a member of 65daysofstatic). Thanks. --Anon 67.187.38.109 (talk) 01:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced tag