Talk:André Aciman

message: wp:BLP/N#André Aciman. -- Jeandré (talk), 2009-08-19t21:56z
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::Yes, there has been a complaint to the foundation about false information in the article. Publishing of those complaints are not allowed without explicit permission, but it's almost never even necessary to say that there was a complaint because simply pointing out wp:v and wp:blp works if those policies are read by the editors involved. The articles are then either referenced as required by those 2 policies, or left as a stub with only referenced information. If that fails, quoting the policies usually works. If that fails, there's wp:BLP/N to get more editors involved. If that fails editors get blocked for ignoring 2 of Wikipedia's most important policies. -- Jeandré (talk), 2009-08-20t07:04z
After careful considered I have reverted to du Toit's version. (Which hides, but does not delete the unsourced information.) While I don't have access to the OTRS, so have no idea what the complaint is about, and was reluctant to intervene since on the whole the article didn't appear overtly untrue nor unduly contentious, the lack of inline citations makes it difficult to verify the details, yet it was also easy for me to see the that some of the details were not in the sources mentioned (e.g. his speaking Greek and Ladino). Now I'm not saying these are untrue, it appears from my searches that in his autobiographical books/memoirs he mentions learning Greek, but they are clearly unsourced at the moment. I had planned to go thorough the article and add back what I could verify but quickly hit a snag. Beyond the primary sources of his university profile which are already problematic, the only two sources we have are an interview in Bookslut.com and an article in a (university) student newspaper (). (I've looked for more sources but can't find any.) These are hardly great sources for a BLP. I can see I'm not the only one to express concerns about bookslut.com as a RS  and from reading the article on it while it may be okay for reviews, I think we have to take care with anything else particularly sourcing claims in a BLP, contentious or not. In any case, as an interview it's basically a Wikipedia:Primary sources. Student newspapers are also problematic, and again I'm not the only one to think this Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 11, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive45#Salt Lake City School District and while not everyone agrees Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive44#Craig Cheffins it's clearly a fairly contentious issue. While neither of these are something I'm likely to normally remove, and probably not even challenge, it's not something I'm going to add either and when we have a problematic BLP, it's particularly not something I'm going to defend, particularly when it's the only secondary source (if it was just used to flesh out the details perhaps). I would note that Wikipedia:College and university article guidelines says that student newspapers are not sufficient to establish notability which also suggests they should be used with care on BLPs. It appears he meets Wikipedia:Notability (academics) as he's hold both a Distinguished Professor and chair role and perhaps WP:CREATIVE as his books have won awards and I think been reviewed by multiple sources, but clearly more reliable secondary sources need to be found for a good biography, and this doesn't include Amazon searches of his books nor a NY topic search which primarily finds reviews of his books and one article he has written and a photo. And while a student newspaper is one of the sources likely to cover an academic, a notable academic and writer should surely be covered in more mainstream reliable secondary sources as well. In other words, if some other editor wants to add back details, covered in one of the sources we have, I'm not going to oppose you, but don't expect me to defend it either if other editors feel it's still problematic, and don't just add everything back without properly sourcing it. All in all, I'd think the even better solution would be to find better sources, which unfortunately I can't find, and use them. Nil Einne (talk) 18:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Referencing.

message: Here are the four hits for our subject from the MLA database (Sep 2009).
*Porter, Roger J. "Autobiography, Exile, Home: The Egyptian Memoirs of Gini Alhadeff, André Aciman, and Edward Said." Biography: An Interdisciplinary Quarterly, (24:1), 2001 Winter, 302-13.
*Cohen, Susan D. "André Aciman (1951- )" In (pp. 28-33) Amoia, Alba (ed. and introd.); Knapp, Bettina L. (ed. and introd.), Multicultural Writers since 1945: An A-to-Z Guide. Westport, CT: Greenwood, 2004. xv, 610 pp.
*Sadock, Johann. "Ma diaspora sépharade, ou: André Aciman tout contre moi." Contemporary French and Francophone Studies, (11:2), 2007 Apr, 291-294.
*Eakin, John Paul. "Living Autobiographically." Biography: An Interdisciplinary Quarterly, (28:1), 2005 Winter, 1-14.
Drmies (talk) 04:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  For future reference 

message: I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. ISBNs and other persistent identifiers, where available, are commented out, but still available for reference. This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 (talk) 05:39, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography