Talk:Deal or No Deal (British game show)

message: I removed the section on Wrighty's game, since it was quite poor. It doesn't explain if this was the game for the afternoon or evening. Taking out the high numbers after you've dealt is only arguably lucky, since it doesn't affect what you win. Likewise Noel revealing £3000 in his box doesn't "increase Wrighty's win" - he still won the same amount. --PaulTaylor 14:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Christmas Specials Section

message: I guess this is going to need some discussion. For anyone who didn't see it, I'll try to explain what happened briefly: the Banker offered a swap instead of the first offer, which the player took. He then no-dealt to the last two boxes, the one of which besides his box was the box he'd swapped out to begin with. So the Banker offered him another swap as his final offer, instead of any money (as opposed to offering money, then a swap if it's rejected, as normally happens). He didn't swap. The board at this point had £75,000 and 1p, and his box turned out to have 1p. The Banker called again, and "as a thank-you for his birthday present" (the player had given him a present of some Noel Edmonds CDs or something), he said he'd also get whatever the viewer competition prize was (£15k as it turned out).
Anyway, I've taken his name off the "1p Wins" list (since he didn't win 1p), but added an explanatory note, and a pointer to the Viewer Competition section where it's explained in more detail. If they start referring to him on the show as being in the 1p club I suppose I'd agree he should be put back on the list with the note. Anyway, my feeling is that it's a bit too much text for one show's events as it stands. Thoughts?--PaulTaylor 18:15, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was given the viewers prize as a thank you for the bankers birthday present, not because he wasn't offered a final offer - what twaddle. He was given the viewers prize because Glenn Hugill was in danger of having his head stoved in by a mob of angry pilgrims. -88.110.169.67 09:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that was the reason given on the show, but of course you're right! Nzseries1 09:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Your version allows the reader to draw their own conclusions - I believe the previous version did not.  I'm happy to relent, for now :-) Nzseries1 10:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The May 13 Episode

message: * I have deletted two more links from the External Links section, the first i have previously removed about a month ago, the website blatently breaks WP:EL which should be abided to,  because mainly it's full of pop ups. The second site i deleted isn't too bad, the reason deleted was the game is a duplicate of This Site which has he Deal Or No Deal game. I believe that one link is sufficient. Cheers Thenthornthing 15:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: July 2007 <small> More links removed </small>

message: Whilst we're on the subject, should links to the open-wikis be taken off. WP:EL states that if linked to, should have a substantial number of editors, if linked to. This site has two or three, do other's also think that they should be deleted? Cheers, Thenthornthing 18:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Links to open wikis

message: Do we really need the photo of the proposal?  It does not hae anything to do with the section it is placed in (christmas specials).  If we are going to keep it, then we should have a section detailing the proposal in full with the picture beside that.
StuartDD 12:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that, it wasn't even in a Christmas episode. It's just one moment that happened in about 500 episodes so I dunno if it deserves an entire section, it should probably just be removed entirely. BillyH 13:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was me who added the photo, god knows why i added it there, i can't actually remember! I will move it, adn if any further moves are required do so! Sorry about that Thenthornthing 13:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  photos 

message: Someone has added an awful lot about the Monty Hall problem.  But, 1. Does it belong here?  And 2. Can it be sourced, or is it the opinion of the author?
I personally am not sure that all the information provided is accurate.  If it is accurate however, I think it should go on the main Deal or no Deal page, rather than the UK specific version.  Nzseries1 08:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Monty Hall Problem

message: What was the game on 30th June? - it hasn't been added to the list yet.
StuartDD 10:21, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classic Deal or no Deal 

message: I edited the Viewers' Competition section to reflect the news regarding Channel 4's premuim-rate stuff. Probably will need updating when the new series starts and we see how the competition now works. Also, I got rid of the list of days when the amounts in the viewer boxes were unusual. It made sense to begin with but then they started doing it more and more and the list just got bloated and silly, and after all, WP:NOT#INFO. (I suggest the same possibly needs doing to the Deal or No Deal Classic section sometime soon.)--PaulTaylor 15:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Viewer Competition

message: Why is there this bouncing back and forth of the colours of the text in the boxes?  Can anyone explain why a few should be white and the rest black (or whatever it is)?  I'm confused by it. Geoff Riley 21:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would imagine it's someones crap idea of a joke, or just plain vandalism. Thenthornthing 22:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is this? What 'black & white' boxes? I agree with Thenthornthing, this is either a rubbish joke or vandilism LB22 19:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black & white box values 

message: These two new bits in the Records section are a bit confusing. The highest offers list appears to list both genuine and hypothetical offers, whereas the lowest offers list just seems to be offers made in play. And is it really useful information anyway?--PaulTaylor 18:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banker's Highest/Lowest Offers 

message: This article is seriously becoming worse and worse for not citing its references.
I've deleted countless edits, by 1 person in particular who will get a vandalism warning next time.
Please do not add info. which isn't sourced, it'll just be deleted. CheersThenthornthing 23:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced info 

message: I have added two more names to the Largest Won Amount List but I don't know their surnames. I would like to know how other users of Wikipedia find out the contestants' last names. Usually, the contestants' last name is only mentioned once on the show. But how do they they know how the names are spelled? I need to know. James Emtage 22:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The closing credits for the New Years Eve show last year listed the full names of every single player up to that point . For ones from this year, the official Endemol site has a few on their News page in the Highlights of (month) Shows section.  BillyH 13:30, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

text: A good site for that is , that's got statistics and show dates for every show in one page. BillyH 14:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contestant Names 

message: Anyone know if this change is permanent. It caught me out this week. I was going to edit it in the article, but I'm not sure if it's only moved for the next few weeks. MGCooke 21:58, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if it's permament.  You can tell for the shows that they're still recorded for Sunday.  Chanel 4 is currently showing the Lord of the Rings films on Sunday, so they've probally moved Deal or no deal to Saturday to make room for those.  Wait and see what happens after they're finnished before editing the article. StuartDD ( t   •   c ) 18:16, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Fair enough.  It's beggining to look like it's recorded for saturday (although he still says yesterday on Monday), but it should say Saturday. StuartDD contributions 15:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saturdays instead of Sundays 

message: This section needs fixing. I've noticed the totals of the prize amount for each gender have been added, but not properly. They need to be fixed ASAP. Many thanks. James Emtage 15:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Battle Of The Sexes 

message: :Image:Dealornodeal.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 02:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dealornodeal.png

message: Again, please read  Thenthornthing (talk) 18:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Future Information

message: Anyone notice how box 17 seems to have big nos in it? Today...£100,000 Sat...£70,000 and on games at home (card game) it seems to hold loads of money too! Mysterious...LB22 20:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Box 17 

message: Hi,
the article is in excedd of 950kb. Wiki classes anything above 150kb as long, so this is super long. I know certain things hae already been split, i.e the banker section, but still more needs to be done to reduce it;s length.
Remember a good article is not nessacarily the longest one. Cheers Thenthornthing (talk) 10:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Size 

message: The 1p wins needed some explaining. I have confirmed and kept the changes as brief as possible. Noel has said that the 1p club is a caravan. Igor's game was disasterous at the finale. It might require editing but it's been confirmed. I heard about the Banker's Highest/Lowest offers some months ago. When they were removed, why were the Largest Won Amounts and the 1p Wins also removed? James Emtage (talk) 23:39, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been 2 negative offers, I can't remember when the other offer was made but I think it was sometime in the first series. Robo37 (talk) 16:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1p Details 

message: A brief mention is made of this, but does anybody have the slightest idea what the title of "mummy" means?  There ought to be something about it here.  And is there a "daddy" title as well?  I've a feeling I've heard it once or twice but I'm not sure. -- Smjg (talk) 22:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The mummy 

message: :Image:DealUKLogo.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot (talk) 20:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:DealUKLogo.jpg

message: To whoever keeps adding the following piece of text:
"...because the independent adjudicator had somehow forgotten to put it in there." 
You don't know that this is true.  This was never stated on the show.  Perhaps they did put it in the box, but it was stolen out of the box before it was sealed.  Perhaps termites got inside the box and ate the value.  Perhaps it was an act of sabotage by a disgruntled employee.  Whatever the reason, we shall never know.  But you can't include this as it is speculation.
I have provided my reasoning, however you keep reverting my revert without explanation.  If you want to make a case for your edits, then please do so; until this happens, this text is not going in.  Nzseries1 (talk) 11:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing label from box 

message: 875 games, £13,704,373.87 total won.  Clips of show (aired 7/11/08) can be found on youtube. 81.153.48.235 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Numbers from 3rd Birthday

message: This article is full-to-bursting with fancruft: near-on every sentance which begins "On [date]", for a start. Most of the 'Filming', '1p wins' and 'The Banker' sections are far, far too intricate and yet unsourced, and there are even two laundry lists in the form of 'Largest won amounts' and '1p wins'. This article is in serious need of some heavy pruning, and I will happily do so in a couple of days if nothing else has been done about it. TalkIslander 16:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, so I've taken out some of the worst unsourced material. There is more that can go, but this is better than nothing. TalkIslander 11:31, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fancruft 

message: I've added a paragraph regarding the gold boxes and the varying amounts which replaced the £1000 in the shows leading up to the 1000th edition. TheRetroGuy (talk) 16:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shows leading up to 1000th edition 

message: in the largeist prize bit someone has obviouly vandelised this 82.24.174.20 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 12:04, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  possiable vandleism  

message: Hope it helps. --candle•wicke 23:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A very good source 

message: Just as a bit of fun, I notice there a lot of edits that just update the amount of episodes (and the "as of" date of course) and nothing else.
I must admit I am guilty of this on more than one occasion, and will continue to do it!!!!, but does anyone else out there fancy admitting it and coming out of the episode closet?!
Eugenespeed (talk) 15:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Guilty again!--213.107.74.132 (talk) 08:16, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  We Just Update The Amount of Episodes! 

message: I've just cut a lot of the article. People coming to this page are only going to be looking for the basic information of the show, eg how it works, who's won £250k, is the Banker real, that sort of stuff. Things like "On show 3,008 on Friday 30th July 2006, 32 year old farmer Joe Bloggs from Grimsby won £16,246 after swapping for box 23" simply aren't needed, or really out of date stuff like "The show has been renewed until 2007" - it's 2009 now!! It's trimmed the article from 40k to 33k anyway, more could probably done though. There's fansites around for all the in-depth information. BillyH 15:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge trim 

message: I changed the end date of the current season to "July, exact date to be confirmed" as that is true. The current date (27 July) is clearly incorrect, as that's a Wednesday and the show's season never finishes on a Wednesday. There are also not 300 episodes in the season, it will be nearer 280. 92.8.80.75 (talk) 20:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  End date of current season 

message: I've just removed this section, as it had been tagged since January 2009 as not having any sources. Anyone who wants to re-add it should find some sources first, otherwise it's original research. Robofish (talk) 14:35, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section 

message: Largest and smallest won amounts (Deal or No Deal UK) is now up for deletion.  Those familiar with this subject can go there and expression your opinions.  Should it be deleted, kept, renamed as an episode list that all popular shows have, or something else?  Dream Focus 01:07, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  related article up for deletion 

message: Just had a trim of the Records section in this article, as there was a lot that was not notable for inclusion and was verging on trivia. I've also cleaned up other sections with regard to spelling and grammar and general encyclopaedic style. Joshua Lee talk softly, please 14:55, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimmed "Records" section 

message: Proposing that The Banker (Deal or No Deal UK) is merged to here. The Banker's article contains some good sources and discussion, but also a crazy amount of unsourced/irrelevant nonsense about the character's fictional personal life, overdetail about all his apparent physical/voice appearances etc etc. There is no need for any more than a short, properly referenced section in this article. U-Mos (talk) 13:51, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Before I edited the page, this text was included in it: "On one occasion to one player the Banker offered a re-swap. Had she not re-swaped she would have won £75,000."
Who was this contestant? There was no reference, and not even a first name. Bilorv (talk) 16:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Swap 

message: Currently, the third section on the page is "Top prize winners". Should this be left as it is, or moved to a sub-section under "Participants"? I really don't see that it deserves its own section.
Come to think of it, does "Participants" fit under "Format", and the Banker under a separate heading under "Format", instead of under "Participants" (especially since the first text in the "Participants" section says "The game show participants comprise the host Noel Edmonds, the unseen character of The Banker...")
Personally, I'd like to completely change the format of the first half of the article so it looks like this:
1 Format
1.1 Gameplay
1.2 The game board
2 Participants
2.1 The Banker
2.2 Top Prize Winners
However, I'd like someone else's opinion before making such a big change - especially since I'm still a newbie. Bilorv (talk) 16:41, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone else have an opinion on this? Bilorv (talk) 19:09, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Format of the article 

message: Since the introduction of box 23 has anyone used it?  Also what happens if someone goes all the way gets 1P buys box 23 and gets half?Perfectamundo (talk) 21:01, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've not been watching DoND much, but on one day I did see it Noel mentioned that the person yesterday had won 1p, used Box 23 and earned half. They got a "half pence" certificate. I'm not sure whether they were actually given any money. Bilorv (talk)  15:26, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No they were not given any money just a certificate because a half penny does not exists anymore --MSalmon (talk) 16:17, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: However: the banker claims that it costs him 10p to print the certificate.  DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 16:32, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Box 23

message: In this edit, AldezD replaced :File:DOND gameboard.PNG with the following prose:
:"There are 22 cash prizes contained in the boxes on the programme: 1p, 10p, 50p, ₤1, ₤5, ₤10, ₤50, ₤100, ₤250, ₤500, ₤750, ₤1,000, ₤3,000, ₤5,000, ₤10,000, ₤15,000, ₤20,000, ₤35,000, ₤50,000, ₤75,000, ₤100,000 and ₤250,000."
Personally, I preferred the image because it looks better aesthetically to me - I can imagine, as a reader, being more likely to read the values on a picture rather than on a long list. It also helps show the format used in the show, and aids understanding of the terms "reds" and "blues" often used in the show. Does anyone have any opinions on whether the image or prose should be used? Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 20:44, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Use both! Images placed on the right hand side of a page usually complement text, not replace it.--Launchballer 20:59, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose that is an option, but wouldn't having both be redundant? Images *usually* complement text, but the text usually doesn't describe the image - it adds to it or explains something about it. "The board is divided into two sides - values under £1,000, or "blues" and..." would be analysis of the board and something I might expect, but a regurgitation of "The values on the board are 1p, 10p..." seems unnecessary to me. Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 21:09, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

text: But I don't think of it as a picture or an image - it contains text. You don't need to duplicate the text if it's already there (and easily readable) on the image. If it has to complement anything, it's complementing the gameplay section. Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 11:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but visitors with visual impairments using text-to-speech tools do not have access to the figures if the're only part of an image. AldezD (talk) 12:03, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternative text can be read by text-to-speech - you could put the text in an |alt parameter. Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 15:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me. Done. AldezD (talk) 15:55, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edit 

message: The infobox lists 'the banker' as the star of the show.  This might just be a bit picky, but can the star of any production be a person who is neither seen nor often heard?  DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 14:51, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit of a stretch to say the banker is the star of the show. The infobox already lists Edmonds as presenter. If you want to follow WP:BRD, go ahead and remove the banker as star from the infobox. If another user feels this is an issue it can be discussed here. AldezD (talk) 15:23, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star of the show 

message: Is this a fan nickname or a phrase used on the show? Please use Template:Cite episode as a reference to cite if it is phrasing used within the show. AldezD (talk) 11:35, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If you ever watched the show, you would know that Edmonds refers to the "Dream Finish" whenever, it is a likely outcome.  You would also know that the "Scream Finish" is when the 1p and 10p are the final two boxes.  I have no intention of citing the episodes where this happens as there would be more citation than article.  85.255.234.33 (talk) 12:31, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither of these phrases are mentioned or discussed elsewhere in the article. That is why a citation was requested. AldezD (talk) 13:09, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article itself cannot be used as a citation.  The program itself clearly can as you suggested above.  85.255.235.79 (talk) 13:21, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dream finish 

message: It's marked, listed and considered a separate series. Please stop merging it with Series 12, as Series 12 finished with Corie's game. The tour episodes are the last series, until someone else chooses to buy up the rights and continue making episodes. --CitroenLover (talk) 14:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tour series 

message: I have always assumed the Banker was a computer, with the human Banker merely relaying it's offers down the telephone to Edmunds - all the stuff about him being a maths and economics Msc and Phd are clearly just part of the presentation. Probably the major IP value derives from the computer program rather than the game show format
86.187.169.149 (talk) 17:43, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Banker is obviously a computer 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Deal or No Deal (UK game show). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141030034505/http://blog.dealornodeal.co.uk/ to http://blog.dealornodeal.co.uk/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141030034505/http://blog.dealornodeal.co.uk/ to http://blog.dealornodeal.co.uk/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 19:47, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: I was checking a video on YouTube regarding a player's game. The video showed how when they chose a box, it turned out to be completely empty - no cash value whatsoever was inside, especially of those still in play when the box was chosen, only the black tape used to secure the cash amount onto the box's lid. When the host and the production staff checked, they found out that because the independent adjudicator worked alone and couldn't gain assistance with checking the boxes, it meant that the box that had been chosen did not contain the £250,000 assigned to it. The contestant was thus given the choice to restart their game, or reshuffle the amounts remaining amongst the remaining boxes and continued - they chose the latter option.
I just wonder - is this notable enough to be included in this article under gameplay or something similar? GUtt01 (talk) 19:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freak Accident of Human Error in a game