Talk:Thierry Henry/Archive 1

message: I think the stats for his appearences and goals is wrong?  He has never played that many games for Juventus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.11.207.7 (talk) 11:42, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Early message

message: Henry once said soccer is like basketball with your feet.Well, here we go... din mor The intro paragraph is anything but neutral. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Henry and would have added even more adjectives about him. But that's the point: where does it (anything) become not-neutral? If you can use such adjectives in an article like that, are they allowed elsewhere? Can someone please help me on this? Where do you have to stay dry and neutral, and where are you allowed to add this "blistering pace, majestic touch" kind of stuff? Thanks! Lars 16:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's tricky, and one way to get around it is to quote newspapers/websites on their description of Henry. If you say that he has "blistering pace", that is kind of like original research - how can others verify it? An example of how this is handled is at Australia in South Africa, 5th ODI, 2006.--Commander Keane 16:29, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm out of ideas. Maybe ask at the Help desk for a wider range of opinions. Good luck! --Commander Keane 16:53, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: Does he really have a nickname Titi, and urm the other one apart from TH14 and Va Va Voom cant remember it at the mo MrDark 17:41, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the French call him Titi, although don't quote me on that. The others seem a bit obscure. ed g2s • talk 18:43, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I have never heard him called Tel, but Tel is a common English nickname for those who are named Terry in England, such as Terry Venables (El Tel.) I don't think Tel or Va Va Voom should be up there, because I've never heard either of them for Thierry Henry. Mvpujols777 16:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I was just wondering about his nicknames

message: "After a phenomenal Premiership season as captain (taking the team to the Champions League Final, a Champions League place for 06-07, highest goal scorer in the premiership and gaining the football writers and premiership player award amongst other plaudits for this season) there has been alleged and unfounded media speculation that Henry will make a big summer transfer to Barcelona following the World Cup in Germany even though Henry has one few occassions stated the contrary to this considering many big name players like Henry are regularly inconclusively associated with numerous clubs but never moving away. Coincidentally, Henry travels to his hometown of Paris on May 17, 2006 to face Spanish champions Barcelona in the UEFA Champions League Final."
This doesn't sound terribly neutral. Matthew Platts 14:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, I dont think the problem is POV as much as it is a lack of references. I changed the NPOV tag to a citation needed.The NPOV tag is a serious accusation and should be used only when the the neutrality of the article as a whole is disputed. If you believe that sentence was POV use the POV-statement template. Thanks :-) Deepak 16:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: You're right, of course. I'm just uncomfortable about the word 'phenomenal'. Matthew Platts 10:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

text: btw, I think we can leave phenomenal out, the quotes imply as much. MrDark 12:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed phenomenal to 'very successful', less of a loaded term. Deepak 15:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV tag 

message: Given the unintuitive pronounciation of his name to anglophones, I believe we should have an IPA pronounciation for his name. This is my stab at it: , but my IPA (and french!) is sub-par. Is this correct, and thus suitable for inclusion, or am I wrong (and, for preference, a correct pronounciation will be produced alongside any disparagement of me). --Sam Pointon 14:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: IPA for name

message: Quotes by fellow players and coaches expressing opinions on Henry...are still opinions. The quotes are trivial, non-factual, infringe neutrality and do nothing but gather praise for Henry via argumentum ad populum. I propose to delete this entire section. Aureliano
:I've shifted them to Wikiquote, in accordance with WP:NOT guidelines. --Muchness 06:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the section "Quotes about Thierry Henry"

message: Someone inserted an entire paragraph claiming that Henry is the all-time leading scorer for the Australian national team and will be playing for them in the 2006 World Cup. Obviously this is false and I deleted it. --Luckygoon 10:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia 

message: The article says Thierry started his career playing for Nantes so maybe that should be added under professional sides on the right hand side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yonatanh (talk • contribs) 
I can't find any sources which mention Nantes as one of his clubs. Everything I can find seems to say Monaco was his first club.  Depending on its validity, the reference to Nantes should be in the infobox or deleted.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  13:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  nantes 

message: Would someone be kind enough to do something with User 1471 as he/she is determined to keep changing the image of Henry to one that isn't sourced. I think he has been doing this like this on other pages. I've left a comment on his talk page but it's just been ignored. I've reverted, if he tries it once more then I'll be peeved. Cheers. --hedpeguyuk 9:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: image

message: His dribbling skills and on-field vision makes him the successor to the legendary Zinedine Zidane on the French national team.
I don't understand this. They've played together for France for about 9 years. --  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  14:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  successor 

message: Is inclusion of the Puyol incident worthy in a biography, many players are involved in incidents during matches there aren't comments about Owen etc diving/ winning dubious free kicks. --Vivbaker 11:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Cup 

message: I don't remember her name but surely there should be a note about his girlfriend (not sure if they're married) and their daughter Tea (apostrophe above the a I believe). You can say something about how they met when they played a married couple in the Renault Va Va Voom ads.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yonatanh (talk • contribs) 
Thierry Henry#Family and Marriage has some of that.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  13:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would disagree. Henners isn't really a celebrity, so his private life is not really integrated with his career.  The article should reflect that.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  03:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  his wife\girlfriend 

message: This 'incident' as called by the writer was not 'Spanish', as Spain in itself was not involved. It is like calling the detention of a hooligan in Germany a 'British incident'. Moreover, Luis Aragonés was fined by the RFEF, and Aragonés has repeteadly said he is not a racist, being backed by, among others, Cameroon player Samuel Etoo, who Aragonés coached in Real Mallorca.
Finally, it should also be noted that the 'incident' was used and manipulated by the British press to take advantage in the 2012 Olympics race, where London was competing with Madrid.
I believe all these arguments are objective and strong enough to prove that this highly biased section should be deleted of the biography of a footballer. Mathew--87.242.150.166 17:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish Racism Incident

message: I think this portion of the article needs to be renamed the Louis Aragones racism incident.  In it's current form the article labels all spaniards as racists, particularly the comment about "large segments of the crowd" making monkey noises.  Can this even be verified?  I have renamed it the Louis Aragones racism incident (this fact is undisputed) and unless someone can verify this comment about the crowd at Santiago Bernabeu, I am totally deleting that part.  Lastly, even if some Spaniards are racist (as are some bad apples in every culture), you cannot label an entire society as racist.
User:DR 13:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this? Budgiekiller 17:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or this? Budgiekiller 17:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or a more reputable source.  There was no doubt of this incident whatsoever.  Plus, I watched the game and was heartily sickened by (some) of the crowd's behaviour.  I think we've got enough evidence to put the details back in the article.  Budgiekiller 17:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spanish Racism Incident Rehatched

message: I just read somewhere that Henry didn't play in the World Cup Final in 1998.  Is this so, and if so, why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nygoodliving (talk • contribs) 
:At the time he wasn't a big star and wasn't as good as he is today (This was before he moved to England). He was readied to come on but Desailly's sending-off changed France's strategy.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  01:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Didn't play in 1998 Final? 

message: the people who say this have their heads up their arses, Puyol did it to him during the champions league final, and he did it to him again in the world cup. maybe Puyol shares some of the same "ideas" on the colour of Henry's skin like aragones does.
: The article doesn't claim that henry is a cheat. It only gives some encyclopediac, sourced statements, about allegations of cheating, which in my opinion is perfectly admissible and NPOV. 59.92.36.1 13:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry is no cheat 

message: It may be a moot point, but has anyone a clue why he wears high stockings that reach above his knees?--Cancun771 20:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stockings

message: Anyone know how to add the Euro squads from 2000 and 2004 at the bottom of the page Jimmmmmmmmm 18:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but we don't want them.  sʟυмɢυм • т • c  20:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Firstly, I did not intend to upset you. Please accept my apologies for doing so. The World Cup squads were intended to be deleted after WC06, but suvived TfD due to non-consensus, although a consensus that Euro squads should not be created seemed evident.  Some Euro squads (although not France's) have been created, and deleted by concensus.  That's where my attitude as to whether we want them or not was formed. By telling you they're unwanted I was actually trying to save you the bother. If I'd have noticed the FA nom (article hasn't yet got GA status) in July I'd have set you and Jeronimo straight about your template confusion then.   sʟυмɢυм • т • c  20:07, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Squads

message: This article is really well writen but whoever wrote it needs to add more about his Arsenal career. There obvious stuuf to included eg all the trophies the unbeaten run/season etc but I'll probably word it quite badly if I do it. Jimmmmmmmmm 12:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: trying my best to compile the stats, but some 'totals' columns just don't add up. maybe someone can verify... Chensiyuan 01:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well it's not just the stats it's the article. It sort of jumps from him joining to him becoming captain in 2005 missing out about 6 years of playing for Arsenal. Jimmmmmmmmm 08:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Arsenal Career

message: I have added a minor edit to the picture caption. I changed "After scoring" to "After Scoring in the  2006 World Cup"Gi1b3r3th 04:41, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture of Henry in International Section

message: This article is marked with an  tag in the "style of play" section, uses weasel words, and has some POV problems; for those reasons, it doesn't qualify as a good article. There may be other problems; I stopped reviewing it after finding this. Kafziel Talk 18:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA nomination

message: sorry i deleted this because i thought there was too much swearing hope no-one disagrees with me..
:If this is your style of communication then this is not your community, please assume good faith. I will add an image. ↔ ANAS - Talk 15:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Picture? WTF!!! 

message: the new pic looks soooooo bad what happened to the old one? 27/11/06 —Preceding unsigned comment added by X purelife x (talk • contribs) 11:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The old picture was fair use. Under the new guidelines, pretty much any fair use photo of a living person is being deleted because it can be replaced with a GFDL-licensed version. The photo currently on the article is free for us to use, so it replaces the copyrighted ones that were there before. See this page for a more in-depth explanation. Kafziel Talk 16:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what the...? 

message: Ive created a user box if anyone wants to use it to say they think Thierry Henry is the best footballer in the world :)    .  AsicsTalk 18:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: This reference points to a now dead link. I've seen that you can use some template that finds the archive.org archive of the link and links to that but I don't know the name so if anyone does please fix it. The link is  Yonatanh 03:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference 12 

message: thierry henry is the best in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he owns!!!!!!!!!! any sensible person knows that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Durs22 (talk • contribs) 02:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the greatest 

message: Surely the following test is incorrect-
Arsenal's inability to win the Premiership for three consecutive seasons (2004-05 to 2006-07) led to speculation that Henry would leave for another club. However, he declared his loyalty and love for the club and accepted a four-year contract after the 2005-06 Champions League final.
Firstly, the speculation was before 2006/07 season had begun, so Arsenal had only failed to win the premiership in 04/05 and 05/06. Even if the wording is meant to assume Arsenal will not win this years premiership title (which is still possible) he had already signed a new contract before 06/07 begun, which ended most of the tabloid rumours long before Arsenal were so far behind Man utd. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.237.211.176 (talk) 02:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arsenal have not technically lost the premiership 

message: Substituted at 20:53, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment