Talk:World of Warcraft/Archive 8

message: There should be a section, no matter how small, listing the known players of WoW who celebrities, etc. Dave Chappelle and Corpsegrinder for starters. -- 70.232.104.144 08:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not encyclopedic information.  When you write an article about a movie, you don't include all the known celebrities that liked the movie.  If it belongs anywhere, it would be under a "Trivia" section for that particular person.--65.199.217.2 18:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's valuable information, as it illustrates to what enormous extent the popularity of this, a pc game, can go. However, every entry would have to be referenced with a reliable source, best an interview, which would be hard to do. Also, the above mentioned model is not an example of a person worth mentioning. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 23:48, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The majority of authors for this article do not want it expanded. This will be a one page article on WoW.  “One page???”  Yeah, that’s what I thought too.  Anyway, I agree that it would be fun. However, if we did it, we'd have to pay strict attention to WoW guidelines & etiquette. No stalking. But, there are people that will publish they have played, are playing, and actually want attention. Take for example Tom & Bruce of Games for Windows Magazine: Bloodchick (Paladin) and Brooski (Hunter w/pet Rumsfeld butterfly). Here too, they might still be playing, but I'm sure they moved on to other characters, and real lives by now. "...I don't have the time or patience to get a character high enough to see the new ubercontent." Weird thing though...they forgot to mention what server they are on. Apr07 p87. (How I remembered that, don't ask.) :) Imlookingnow 21:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Known Celebrities Who Play WoW 

message: "The highest level, most complex dungeons and encounters are designed to take raiding guilds a lot of time (sometimes even months) and many attempts before they succeed."
This is wrong. I would think that since Black Temple was introduced, it will take the majority of guilds many months to clear it. At least.
:Your comment doesn't make any sense.  The quote you provided states that it may take many months to clear the more difficult dungeons/encounters.  You state that this quote is fallacious because..."it will take the majority of guilds many months" to clear Black Temple.  You're calling the quote incorrect, but then saying the same exact thing as the quote.--65.244.150.2 18:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what he's trying to say, is that multi-month long instances are not limited to the extreme end game content, but rather incorporate all instances after Black Temple.
Blank24 21:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I believe that the game can be enjoyed as much in PVP as PVE.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.184.250.115 (talk) 17:42, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PvE 

message: I think it's slightly incorrect to say that World of Warcraft is continuation of the Warcraft series, as the opening paragraph suggests. That could be misleading so people think the other warcraft games are MMOs as well. How should this be changed? "The fourth game set in the Warcraft universe"? --Kraigory 04:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, I feel that the way stated above is correct, however it is just a different type of game. It does continue the Warcraft series, but as an MMORPG instead of an RTS. Penman 1701 23:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that your version "The fourth game set in the Warcraft Universe" is best. It would be better though if we could somehow let people know that all four games are continuations of the same story line though. DurotarLord 13:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WoW a continuation of Warcraft? 

message: Can we add Wowdigger.com to the list of databases? It's also the only data site that isn't owned by Affinity Media (Thottbot, allakhazam and wowhead are). Asteria
:Sounds good. It is as you say gold free but due to it being still a beta version I think we should postpone it. Furthermore, it cannot support many visitors yet because of the low bandwidth. Pvd21 12:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I agree that it sounds good, as it isn't only gold ad free, it is also like the only one that isn't owned by Affinity and their cohorts.. "Beta" is relative, they are just humble, the page has some cool features not even wowhead etc have, and the only thing they lack is users. The latter one would obviously have a small boost with support from the "real" Wiki (Wikipedia). The profiles function for instance is one of those things. I also agree with the user below here, with the goldselling. Still, they are part of the IncGamers networks, who are strongly opposed to RMT, so I kinda guess they won't start now. 81.152.178.94 16:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Before adding any links to this article, ask first "Does this article need it?"  You shouldn't even consider if it would be a "good" link, because there are already many "good" links.  Too many.  Ask if it's essential.  I don't think we need any more links to sites with WoW game info unless the info provided is unique and not available in another link.  If you want to replace a link with a better site, I'd propose that you start a topic here explaining why your proposed site is better than an existing one so that other editors can agree or disagree.  But please don't add another link just because it's "good". -- Atamasama 01:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Propose add Wowdigger.Com

message: is it true that if you say chuck norries on WoW that you get banned temporialy ? I just heard that and wondered if it was true
*Who knows? Check out the WoW forums, there's probably an answer on there :) Summoner Marc 02:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It will probably get you on one or more ignore lists. -Atamasama 22:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A weird question

message: It isnt an opinion, I am stating facts as to how the GM service operates and the fractions they warn, suspend, and ban for. I am sorry if I offended any fanboy's point of view but the entire addition is factual and from a NPOV. Species2112 01:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its original research. Get a reliable source indicating that this happens. Otherwise its WP:OR and cant be in the article. Dman727 02:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: You're referring to ? Can't see anything in there about many players finding the verbal harassment policies oppressive and intrusive. And it's certainly not a source for GM actions rarely being repealed, since it discusses a sole incident which ended in Blizzard apologizing to the player in question. --Stormie 04:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Putting back my addition to controversy and criticism 

message: Can you list all of the websites that monitor characters, guilds, do rankings etc?  There used to be a really good website that I found by google search but i no longer can find it.  I can't remember what it was called but it is not listed in the article.  Any ideas?  Thanks. I like to monitor my friends progress every once in a while since I've quit the game. Tkjazzer 03:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a place to list non-notable websites. Having said that, Blizzard's Armory does a decent job at it. (I'm also a fan of  but it's got some issues currently) McKay 17:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmm, Armory was down yesterday, it appears to be up. Thieves' Tavern doesn't appear to ever have been down. McKay 15:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  character monitoring websites? 

message: I believe that the World of Warcraft article should be added to the category Electronic sports games as it being played competitively in the World Series of Video Games. I wanted to make sure that others are in agreement because last time I added it to that category it was removed. --Credema 23:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: yes it should be since Bliz is making a push in that arena.harlock_jds 23:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: but it is being used as an electronic sport (like starcraft and counterstrike) so the category should be included.harlock_jds 18:29, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  3v3 arena fights with premade characters  equitable with a list of equipment.harlock_jds 19:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I concur that it does belong in that category, which is defined as Electronic sports are computer and video games which are played in competition. IMO the category needs to be renamed. Maralia 03:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second the "category needs to be renamed" angle -- "electronic sports" would be clearer than "electronic sports games", but neither of them immediately mean (to me) what that category's description says. (I'm the guy who removed the category as vandalism -- "electronic sports games" to me means "electronic games that simulate sports". Sorry about that.) Maybe "competitive electronic games"? I don't love that category name, but it's a little closer. I think any name with "sports" in it is going to be confusing. CSWarren 10:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it's a confusing title for the category. Don't really know what's more appropriate, though. "Cybersports" is probably the term I've most heard, although the Electronic sports article calls that a "less popular term". --Stormie 11:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add to category: Electronic sports games 

message: I would like to know, and I think it'd be interesting to know, how much money, the WoW  enterprise makes for Blizzard a month. 8 million users averaged to.. what?
:(Total users x monthly fee) + monthly merchandise sales + monthly client and expansion sales. The merchandise sales and client/expansion sales might be difficult to find but just the total users times the monthly fee is around 120 million dollars per month.
::Just also remember you can pre-pay for more than 1 month in advance, which lowers the overall "monthly" cost bye a few bucks --sumnjim talk with me·changes 13:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also note that the pay structure in the far east is different than it is here. McKay 16:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that calculates the total revenue. You'd need to have some idea of their expenses to talk about profit, though. If you're really interested, go to Vivendi's investors & shareholders web page at www.vivendi.com/ir/en/home/ and have a poke around their annual reports, it might say something about profits by division. --Stormie 12:45, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I'm saying is that *doesn't* calculate total revenue. Because the far-easterners don't generate a monthly fee. They have a different pay structure, so you can't say (total users X monthly fee). McKay 15:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, OK, it calculates total revenue incorrectly. It doesn't calculate total profit at all. :-) Like I said, check Vivendi's public reports. --Stormie 01:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Vivendi's public reports don't mention how much they're getting from WoW subscriptions :( McKay 18:24, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aug 31 07' they released 07's half year earnings report, Vivendi Games (which includes WoW) earned €119 mill and the total Vivendi revenue was €10,223 mill.  Kalyn123 06:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Total Profit

message: I am proud to announce that all images on this article now have fair-use rationales. -- R'son-W (speak to me/breathe) 23:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, glad to hear that. Pvd21 11:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use rationales 

message: The paragraph on transgender guilds \ Lambda legal is too vague.  It simply says that WoW attracted attention because of an incident involving the transgender guilds.  What that incident was and what constituted the attention is left out.  But I'm not sure how to summary the content on the Controversy and Criticism sub-page: it's already pretty brief as it is.  Maybe we should just copy\paste what's there onto this page? Jordansc 16:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What actually happened, is there was a character who ran a Gay Friendly guild, and one of the Blizzard GM's banned the character.  The person complained to Blizzard, and they eventually unbanned the person and apologized. edit - ok they didn't ban her outright, but warned her that she could be banned for talking in open chat trying to recruit GLBT individuals  --sumnjim talk with me·changes 16:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy and Criticism: LGBT issues

message: The fact that the game is so good people cannot stop playing it is not a criticism.
:It gives people the chance to say "they play too much, they are addicted".  What about the people who come home, sit on the couch, and watch a few hours of TV, then eat dinner and go to bed.  Do you think they call those people addicted to TV?  You never see a news report on that stuff.  Also, please sign your posts with 4 tilde's ~~~~  --sumnjim talk with me·changes 17:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: Is there info? e.g. Counter strike has http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=stats --Leladax 19:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Players online at a given time? 

message: Windows, OS/X, UNIX, LINUX, SOLARIS?
AMD, Intel, SPARC?
Combinations of the above?
May i ask why? Grimreape513 15:04, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone have any reliable information on what tech the servers run on? 

message: Removed the paragraph about the alleged treatment of the transgender player. It is not Encyclopedic, and has no bearing on what WoW is. Further it is quite a well known fact that the entire fiasco was more forum Trolling, than factual events. After the Fifteen minuets of fame the "player" was never heard from again. 
Martinj63 21:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edited Controversy and Criticism  

message: Would it be possible to add lootables.com to the list of useful sites. It's an item database site that has some cool features, such as item comparison, advanced searching, and links to all the other major WoW database sites for each item, and also some fairly detailed profession guides. It is also gold ad free, and independant from the Zam network.
:Any moderator agree with this? Lorddeimos 23:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Before adding any links to this article, ask first "Does this article need it?"  You shouldn't even consider if it would be a "good" link, because there are already many "good" links.  Too many.  Ask if it's essential.  I don't think we need any more links to sites with WoW game info unless the info provided is unique and not available in another link.  If you want to replace a link with a better site, I'd propose that you start a topic here explaining why your proposed site is better than an existing one so that other editors can agree or disagree.  But please don't add another link just because it's "good". -- Atamasama 01:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose add lootables.com 

message: is burning crusade a new game or just an expansion pack63.166.254.137 18:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The answer to your question, is that it's an expansion pack.  The article clearly states that in the first paragraph.  Also, Wikipedia is not a forum. --sumnjim talk with me·changes 20:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  burning crusade 

message: Here's a sentence about the World Series of Video Games recent appearance on CBS to be put at the end of the introduction, if necessary:
"On July 29, 2007 CBS aired an hour special on the Louisville World Series of Video Games competition in which World of Warcraft was a featured game.http://www.thewsvg.com/news/112" Edi50 21:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've disabled the editprotected request. This article is only semiprotected, so nearly any editor can add the content, if appropriate. Cheers. --MZMcBride 21:56, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: World Series of Video Games

message: Hey why did someone undo the specification section?  The word specification definitely does not appear without it.  Mathiastck 21:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason was given in the edit summary: The minimum system requirements are already stated in the Infobox. tomst | talk 08:21, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specification 

message: It can be confirmed here http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=305842072&sid=1#16 that Dalaran, a city in the southern Alterac Mountains, will magically move to Northrend and become the new city there, like Shattrath. Add to the city list?
24.124.49.158 05:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cities 

message: I heard that you can pay like $200 so that you only have to pay once and not have to pay moonthly is this true?
:No, that is not true. --Stormie 00:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That only works for Cable TV. - Atamasama 21:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pricing 

message: Stormie has the right idea. Let's not add stuff to the article that doesn't actually exist live in the game yet (even if you saw it at Blizzcon). During beta and up until release, anything can (and some stuff will) change, so adding the info now would be WP:CRYSTAL at best. Bold move on the revert, and smart at that. spazure (contribs) 05:39, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep we have an article World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King which is an excellent place to add all the (sourced!) details about Northrend and the expansion which Blizzard might reveal over the coming months. --Stormie 07:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northrend stuff in main article 

message: First: Blood Elves do not start on the Bloodmyst Island. Bloodmyst Island is the 10-20 zone for Dreanei. Blood Elves start on the continent of Lordaeron, at Eversong Woods.
Second: There are three continents inthe world, not two continents and a couple of island. There is Lordaeron, Khaz Modan or Azeroth (which, together, is called Eastern Kingdoms) and Kalimdor. Bloodmyst and Azuremyst Isles are considered a part of Kalimdor.
Third: Who wrote that the most commonly known pop reference is the Belf dance? This is not true. Draenei Tunak dance was also very popular, and so was Nelf Michael Jackson dance. There are a lot of popular culture references in WoW, you can't just pick one and name it the most common one. 88.233.64.245 19:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blood elves and the continents 

message: I can't edit, but it seems like a stupid thing to say. It's the last line in the Controversy part of the article, about how WoW stole from Tolkien's work. What fantasy fiction DOESN'T? It seems like a pointless line and if whoever can edit can remove it, it'd be good for the article.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.225.107.128 (talk) 04:53, August 20, 2007 (UTC) 
:I removed it.  It's a bogus claim, because like you said most fantasy fiction is inspired by Tolkien's work.  If someone can post it with a reliable source that'd be one thing, but I'd be shocked if anyone credible made such a crazy claim. -- Atamasama 17:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If World of Warcraft is stealing from tolkien, they wouldnt be the first people too. Grimreape513 15:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of people do take from Tolkien's work, however it may not be the whole stealing aspect that most people think of. Blizzard has, in many various ways, paid homage to many different pop-culture icons, including Pink Floyd, Monty Python, and Jimmy Hoffa. So, I wouldn't be surprised if something of Tolkien's work was taken and used as a tribute. LoTuSthajuggla 21:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy about WoW stealing from Tolkien!? 

message: theres a part at the top of the first part of the artical that says that WoW broke new records with 9 million users. This is wrong. War craft 3 has 11 million. it should be removed since it's false.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.3.19.129 (talk) 05:32, August 20, 2007 (UTC) 
:The text says: "On 24 July 2007, Blizzard announced that the user base for World of Warcraft had reached a new milestone, with 9 million players worldwide."
:What I understand is: WoW reached the round number of 9 million players in July 2007.
:It is equivalent to the (very near) milestone of 2 million Wikipedia articles. This is not a record in the sense you think because there is no comparation with similar games, it's a game's statistic that reached a particular high number. wildie · wilđ di¢e · wilł die 14:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, a milestone is not a record. It merely means another round number has been passed. --Stormie 00:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  wrong info

message: I removed the statement that RP is rarely enforced on RP servers.  This is entirely an opinionated statement and not fact.  Blizzard has addressed this in the forums (which I can't reference right now because I can't reach the WoW forums on this PC).  One of the problems with this statement is that what is and isn't RP is a matter of perspective, some people RP in their speech, some people RP in the actions their characters take.  Another problem is that "rarity" is also a matter of perspective, what is justified enforcement to one person is oppression to another.  The last problem is that when rules are enforced on a server, you don't see it unless you're the violator.  Blizzard doesn't release information about how or even if they have responded to a rules violation report, they simply thank you for giving them information.  Someone's opinion about the RP servers are shouldn't be included as fact, especially uncited. -- Atamasama 18:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RP not enforced on RP servers 

message: Is it too early to mention the new in-game chat feature that will be included in WoW? Or perhaps we should wait for it to actually be implemented? -CamT|C 01:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I wouldn't bother mentioning it until they finally get it working and release patch 2.2 with it. --Stormie 23:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a section for it now, please everyone feel free to modify it in an appropriate way. =) -CamT|C 01:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I moved it from the previous location heading of "Characters" to "Version History" Yngvarr (t) (c) 12:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In-game chat 

message: The Darkmoon Faire section contains much adcruft and needs to be cleaned up. 207.69.137.43 00:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking of removing the sub-sections for each individual event and merging them in to one paragraph about events. Any comments? --Hdt83    Chat 01:47, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding your recent change, Dman727 re-added a section about "Corrupted Blood", claiming in his edit summary that it was a noteable enough event that it should be called out in detail.  He also noted to "see talk".  However, I can't find where he is talking about it on this page.  In the section itself, the event is noted to have been removed from the outside world and therefore cannot even be considered a world event anymore.  Given these facts, I have reverted his re-addition of this section.Game Collector 12:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The occaison received wide coverage in newspapers and other media, it is notable enough for a section by all means. Re-added. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 14:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  Hmmm, I did write a brief paragraph in the talk section about it, but I don't see it here either.  Might have been an edit conflict and I didnt notice.  Anyway, that section belongs.  Its notable outside the game world for its real world implications about the spread of disease and how real populations react.  As for the "world" and "event" terminology, I don't have a problem with using a different word than "event".  I suppose it is an event but if that is a big concern, theres plenty of replacements.   In term of "World", well that is referenced and true.  The issue was caused by players bringing the disease out of Zul Gurub and into the rest of the world.  The real world analogy would be a miscreant bringing a deadly virus out of the lab and into a major city and thats has some folks very interested in (outside the game world). Dman727 18:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be notable if it still existed, but I don't see how a fixed bug adds any encyclopedic value to this article.  Maybe it would add encyclopedic value to Outbreak, Epidemic or Pandemic. I am satisfied with the re-wording and re-locating of it, however, and will not continue to remove it at this point.Game Collector 19:30, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The plague is a debuff received from a boss inside of an instance in the game.  The only reason it effected players outside of the instance was due to a bug, which was speedily rectified.  I won't disagree that it may deserve to be mentioned in the article somewhere, but at the very least I don't think it should be listed under the "World" section, since it was never an actual world event (and the reference provided does not prove that it was).  See this link for a list of in-game events (a.k.a. "World Events").  It was a bug in the game that sparked the coverage.  If we were to list all of the bugs in the game that received media coverage the article might become bloated with patch notes.  And so, I am going to revert this one more time, and will leave the responsibility up to you to re-word the statement (to remove it's claims of being a world event without citation to prove it) and then decide where to put this statement in the article.  I just wanted to let you know here first why my reversion wasn't "useless", as you claimed it was in your edit summary.  I should also like to say that my original edit summary should have read "Corrupted blood is not a world event.".  Including the word "anymore" in that summary was an error on my part.Game Collector 15:07, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am aware of everything related to the whole story, i was in it. While you are correct it is not an organized world event, that is no reason to delete material, which indeed made your edit useless, eventhough it might not have been the most civil way of saying so. You'd rather fix it (for example by moving it or changing the headline) than to remove valuable content. Please read up on policy. I'll try to fix this stuff now. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 18:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am happy with the end result. However, your continued use of the description "useless" to describe my edits is uncivil.  I had my reasons for deleting the material, and explained them well enough here on the talk page.  Considering that the section was originally being played off as a "world event", without any citations to prove it, it was perfectly legitimate for me to delete the content.  Show me which policy I should be reading up on, which indicates that I was the one to have to find these citations and fix up the section?  It's up to the editors who want to keep the material in the article to do that.  In my opinion, the section still doesn't add any encyclopedic value to the article, since it references something that doesn't exist in the game anymore.  Let's leave it at that, and that you should read up on WP:CIVIL.Game Collector 19:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Events Discussion 

message: I am not an "established" registered user, so i can't make the change.  Under the PvP headline, i'd like to make one of the comments a little more specific.  It says ANY player of WoW can be detcted using The Armory, but it will not show characters under Lv. 10.  This is a minor detail, but but i feel it should be added.
ty,
Skarlath12 21:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The great thing about Wikipedia is that ANYONE can edit it. Make your change if you see it as fit. Be bold! Go for it. However others are able to change it again if it's unneeded etc :) --Marc Talk 22:08, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, the article is semi-protected, which means non-registered and newly registered editors can't edit it. I think the cooldown for new accounts is five days, so you should be able to edit it shortly. Yngvarr (t) (c) 22:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, god, sorry, I forgot about that. Apologies! --Marc Talk 00:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No worries. I just did a minor edit, adding Skar's suggestion. When it's unlocked to him, he (or, as you say, anyone else) can edit it to satisfaction. Yngvarr (t) (c) 00:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small edit 

message: The last paragraph in the intro section says that WoW's popularity has led to pop culture references. One of the cited examples is bona fide pop culture (the South Park episode), the second (the inclusion of WoW at the World Series of Video Games) is questionable, and depends on the definition of "popular," but the third, a commercial advertising the game and made by Blizzard (which incidentally incorporates a reference to a cult comedy film) doesn't really seem to support the point that the game's popularity has led to it being mentioned by mainstream cultural outlets. Unless someone can make an argument for why a television spot promoting the game should be considered a popular culture reference to the game, I think it would be appropriate to remove that example from the introduction. SS451 06:09, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  The Office Space commercial is just a sign that Blizzard had enough money to buy television advertising.  If Peter was really playing WoW in the actual movie that would be a different story (and amazing since WoW didn't exist when Office Space was made). -- Atamasama 15:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture references? 

message: would be nice if i could erase a big vandalism on this page, but ironically it's protected 69.55.231.100 14:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism 

message: There's still vandalism on this page. I hope that this won't turn into a revert war  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.225.31 (talk) 00:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to have been removed but if you do see any, please point them out. Thanks! --Hdt83    Chat 05:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ironically enough, there seems to be vandalism on this talk page also when my reply to the last request for a removal of vandalism was removed for no reason. -- Atamasama 18:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  what? 

message: First, each character class had its own page. Then, they were all merged to become one article. Now, the "Character classes in World of Warcraft" article is being deleted, so I felt it was necessary to expand the description of them here. While I intended these descriptions to be as concise as possible (1-2 sentences each), I'm sure they will soon balloon into huge paragraphs soon enough. Hopefully, this can be avoided to keep this already large article somewhat manageable and relevant to non-WoW players (as we WoW players can be serviced much better over at WoWWiki). Sadly, I expect to see people edit in the "overpoweredness" of Warlock fears, the usefulness of mage polymorphing, the laughableness of Retribution paladin DPS, and other such "cruft" (as it appears to be called) soon enough. But at least I tried... RobertM525 11:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your efforts are appreciated and I think very necessary.  I too am afraid that cruft will creep in and this article will be pushed even farther from a FA status, but we should still try.  Oh, and warlock fear is EZmode. -- Atamasama 01:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character classes 

message: Devine Intervention (spell) doesn't deserve its own page. There are hundreds of spells in the game, but why is this the only one that has a page? Fangz the Wolf 14:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't need to be merged.  It doesn't belong in Wikipedia at all.  A single spell isn't notable enough to even be worth mentioning in the main WoW article, let alone have its own page.  It's just game guide stuff.  That page should be deleted.  Good catch. -- Atamasama 17:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed, it needs deleting not merging. WoWWiki is over here. --Stormie 00:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Why is there a World of Warcraft guild page to begin with? Fangz the Wolf 16:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question.  There's nothing on that page that doesn't apply to just about every guild in every MMORPG.  Just look at Clan (computer gaming).  Another good deletion candidate. I wouldn't even merge it, nothing there is unique to WoW. -- Atamasama 18:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is now at afd:  --Hdt83    Chat 22:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge the guild page