Talk:Tyagi

message: The origination of tyagi’s can be found in the documents of the bhaats. Bhats are those guy who maintain record family history and according to them tyagi are descendents of lord parshuram and according to mythology there is belief that lord parshuram had asked the bhargav’s not to take bhiksha, those who obeyed his words and they left taking bhiksha, they are called the tyagi’s and the other rest of followers are called shrama’s, pandey’s, mishra’s and other brahmin cast.
actually there believed to be many castes of the same kind across north india like tyagi in west up & delhi, mohiyals in punjab, bhumihars in bihar and east up, desai in gujrat and maharastra, galab in up and rajasthan. there are independent organisations working for the benefit and welfare of these caste and one umbrella organisation also seems to exist.
I also agree to the point mentioned above that TYAGI should not be merged with Bhumihaar. 
Thanks and Regrads, Anugrah atreya 12:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tyagi origination 

message: I went ahead and Wikified the content of the article and tried to clean up/organize its content. If there are any factual errors, please advise. The format of the article before was a bit chaotic. TT 04:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikification

message: the article now looks ok but there is need for lot of research on the issue.
It is well known fact at least among older population that word “taga” is the name which the caste used till very recently. In older records of the raj lot of references are found to the word”taga” (plural- tagas). Two creditable references are given as under 
Quote (from the “ DISTRICT – MUZAFFARNAGAR- DISTRICT GAZEETEER- CHAPTER III THE PEOPLE-CENSUS OF 1901)210.18.119.115 07:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  District Gazetteer and Taga vs Tyagi 

message: I had some time today and I was curious so I went ahead and looked into your District Gazetteer reference. I believe that your reference to "Taimoor Lane" is actually in regard to Timur the Lame, a bloodthirsty Muslim general who killed around one million people in Delhi in the 14th century. Tyagis were involved in the resistance to Timur in the holy city of Haridwar, trying to protect it from rape and plunder during his crusade. I want to thank you for enlightening me about this important part of the surname's history. I had no idea Tyagis had such a tumultuous and noble past. Chantoke TT 22:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Timur the Lame

message: though tyagi's are a predominantly farmer community and it is a fact that rarely you will find a tyagi who does nt owned agricultural land. vast majority of tyagi still lives in villages of saharanpur, muzaffarnagar, meerut, gaziabad, noida, bulanadshahar bijnor moradabad distt of up, haridwar distt of now uttaranchal, sonipat, panipat and gurgaon distt of haryana and many urbanised village of delhi and there thay are known as taga, tagga or tagge.not only other rural caste people staying close to tyagi's villages but our own people still  called themselves as "taga". off late there may be a portion of tyagi population which is not in a position to be in touch with their rural roots or for few generations staying at places where they can not be in touch with other tyagi people.
Right taga redefines tyagi.  Tyagiland (talk) 02:21, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Taga- Tyagi connection

message: Who is the "Bhat" mentioned in first line of Historical Origins? Lilaac (talk) 20:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Bhat? 

message: Hi.. i have corrected the absolutely false and misleading statement that Tyagi's are both Hindu and muslims, since no proof, past or present points to that.. 
59.180.50.54 (talk) 20:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is totally untrue, and just a bizarre attempt at "cleansing" out reality. There are many refs on Hindu and Muslim Tyagis, and there was a totally credible ref right here. There is a complete article on Muslim Tyagis for Pete's sake! I am going to reverse this. --Hunnjazal (talk) 02:13, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Hindu and Muslim Tyagis

message: Please do not add to the list of notable people unless you can provide either a blue link to a relevant article on Wikipedia and/or a citation to a reliable source. Failure to do this means that an addition cannot be verified. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 16:51, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable people 

message: What a mess this article is. It goes wrong at the very first sentence, which says that it is about Tyagi, a surname. Soon after, other surnames are mentioned. Later on - in the migration section - still more are mentioned. So how can it be about a surname?
Either the article has totally lost its focus or the opening sentence should actually say something like "Tyagi is a caste whose origins lie in north India and in Pakistan." Please could someone clarify. - Sitush (talk) 16:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this about a surname or a caste/community? 

message: I am disappointed by all the vandalism that has occurred with this article over the past two years since I first wrote it. It is time for a major clean up, and I may petition for a reversion to the earlier, referenced version.
In addition, there is no point in creating a separate Tyagi (Muslim) page, or deleting the referenced portions of this page without specifically addressing what was lacking about the references. These actions are essentially vandalism (see Wikipedia:Vandalism). 
This article is about a surname, not an ethnic group. The ENTIRE history of the name has to be discussed WITH appropriate references. 
If we were doing an article about the name 'Jackson', we would not only discuss Andrew Jackson and ignore Jesse Jackson and Michael Jackson, as this would be racist. Similarly, as there are both religious groups within the surname, both have to be discussed. I have also requested that this page be semi-protected as clearly it has become a target for vandals.
I have been working very hard at Wikipedia for a very long time, and I have very strongly believe in the message of this encyclopedia:
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- We must follow Wikipedia guidelines. 
- All historical claims must be referenced.
- Referenced sentences may not be removed without assessment of the reference.'''
Please feel free to discuss on my talk page. Parsh (talk) 10:11, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Discuss it here, please, where everyone who has an interest can participate in a centralised fashion. - Sitush (talk) 10:13, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

text: No, you invited people to continue the discussion on your talk page, which is poor practice. Please could you provide a diff of the article at the point that you consider to have been its optimum. - Sitush (talk) 10:22, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disappointed 

message: As Sitush very appropriately mentioned, there needs to be a merger discussion and someone removed the old one from 2010.
I believe there should be one Tyagi article with Hindu and Muslim subsections. Reasons for this are as below:
First reference: "Tyagi" by DT Mattheus --> www.amazon.com/gp/product/6136395681/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER|title=Tyagi
- Mattheus traces the historical origins of Tyagis to the first millenium BC, before the existence of Islam. 
Second reference: Indias Changing Villages, p 16 by S.C. Dube -->Google books link --> http://books.google.com/books/about/India_s_Changing_Villages.html?id=a7HitkOMHTkC
"The Tyagi are an agricultural caste which claims to be priestly Brahmins. Literally the word Tyagi means 'those who have renounced', they trace the origin of their caste name to their having renounced three Brhamanical functions, viz. the study of vedas, functioning as priests, and acceptance of alms. Muslim Tyagis are converts from the times of Jehangir and Aurungzeb and are originally kin to their Hindu counterparts."
Please let me know what you think. Parsh (talk) 12:16, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: 
I believe Muslim Tyagi satisfies both the criteria of Overlap and Context for a specific surname. The original article also has extensive point of view issues and unreferenced material which will be cleaned up during the merger, but I believe the point that there are two religions that have achieved significant cultural predominance within a single surname should be addressed. I also believe that this page should be semi-protected due to extensive editorializing. Please advise as to your thoughts, thanks. Parsh (talk) 12:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

text: I agree that the articles should be merged. There really isn't much to be said of the Tyagi as a community and we can deal with religious differences in one place. - Sitush (talk) 11:19, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger Discussion 

message: 115.248.157.193 (talk) 06:15, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edit request is unclear here. I'm not really sure what you want done. Regards— MeowMoon (talk) 07:44, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2016 

message: "has led some Tyagis to claim" is simply mischievious as Taga / Tyagi brahmans are Aadi Gaud brahman group of Panch Gaud clans described in Hindu scriptures. Tyagi Gaud clans have clear lineage from the original Gaud Brahman villages and they are the most respected warrior brahmans since vedic period.
106.77.210.120 (talk) 16:38, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 06:39, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2016 

message: 2605:A000:1401:C1:F91E:9F95:F830:F50 (talk) 02:43, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Also, that article does not exist. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:08, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2016 

message: Why even after adding link it showing red mark Yogu1711 (talk) 04:30, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: So create :Yogesh Kumar Tyagi if he is notable. - Sitush (talk) 18:52, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prof yogesh kumar tyagi 

message: I am tagging this article with-
* WP:COI- because the article is mostly being edited by the user Ambertyagi26 and as is suggested by the username itself (Amber Tyagi) that the user may be closely associated with the subject of the article. 
* WP:POV- because the user always attempts to push his caste promotional POV. Any NPOV which is anti promotional is always deleted by him. 
* original research- In such edits he consider less valuable what the sources suggest, instead he manipulates the facts as he wants these to be projected.--MahenSingha (Talk)  19:49, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Tags

message: Some free advisers remove the edits as they are bloody Kings.  Tyagiland (talk) 06:46, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find reliable sources then information can be added. Raj-era sources are not reliable, nor are caste-affiliated websites; newspapers are poor for history. - Sitush (talk) 09:20, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

text: We can not junk all the Raj-era sources, that would be akin to throwing out the "basis" and beginning of most of the modern scientific method of inquiry in India. Raj-era sources are pre-marxist-era sources that see every thing through the singular prism of class-conflict and these sources comes with their own biases, over-reliance or just favoring those is dangerous too. About the academic rigor in the Raj-era sources, those were early pioneers, they used the methods and techniques appropriate for their era, we can not apply today's yardstick. Besides, Raj-era sources used empirical as well as qualitative methods specially in case of documenting oral histories, they do not become invalid source by virtue of this alone. Currently, discourse in several Indian universities is dominated by the post-Raj-era marxist-POV scholars. For example, is a post-Raj lower citation scholarly source (e.g. with marxist-bend of kind that generally rend to rejects/erases pre-indepdence raj-documented history of tribes) better than a Raj-era source with higher citation index? Please be extremely careful. We need to scrutinise each source carefully on its merit, include or exclude with solid reason, not by a broad brush approach. About removing the edits, I have no opinion. Just keep only well and reliably sourced content without the British Raj or post-independence Marxist bias. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 12:49, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free advisers  

message: Where is the real information. It is not all info.  Tyagiland (talk) 06:50, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real information is not anywhere.  

message: Prakash Vir Shastri, former M.P. Tyagiaman (talk) 19:49, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2017 

message: I arrived here because I did not know what does "Taga" mean. My research showed that they are basically Tyagi. I am unable to edit this protected article due to being an IP. I am not related to taga, bhumihar, brahmin, or any subject of this topic. Confirmed/registered editors please update the article with the following (between the lines): 
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In 20th century Babhans started to self-designate as Bhumihar Brahmin or simply Bhumihar, and in Western Uttar Pradesh they self-designate as Tyagi.Girish Mishra and ‎Braj Kumar Pandey, 1996, Sociology and Economics of Casteism in India: A Study of Bihar.N. L. Gupta, 1975, Transition from Capitalism to Socialism and Other Essays, Page 165. Tyagi, also called "Dan Tyagi" or "Taga Brahmin", claim descent from Brahmins who have taken up the proprietor-cultivation and given up the priestly dues.Sir Edward Blunt, 1931, The Caste System of Northern India, Page 130.1912, Census of India, 1911, Census Commissioner, Page 347.Jagdish Kumar Pundir, 1998, Banking, Bureaucracy, and Social Networks Converted Muslim Tyagi are considered similar in social rank as Pathans. 
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Thanks. 202.156.182.84 (talk) 14:02, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Please add the following text on Taga Brahmins

message: * Prakash Vir Shastri, M.P., Sanskrit Scholar. 
Mr. Lal Krishn Advani had named one of the roads around Rashtrapati Bhavan as Prakash Vir Shastri Avenue. Tyagiaman (talk) 18:50, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 18:54, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

text: Yet again, you are trying to use a mirror of Wikipedia as a source. It says so right near the top of that page. - Sitush (talk) 18:50, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2018 

message: I think it'd be a good idea to split the caste-related stuff to Tyagi caste, and maintain this page as a surname list / disambig page. Thoughts? utcursch | talk 21:17, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There used to be more content about the caste here but it was unsourced/unreliably sourced, hence how it has turned out. - Sitush (talk) 11:55, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: Sachin Tyagi Ransura (talk) 06:40, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Þjarkur (talk) 13:55, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2019 

message: Sachin Tyagi Ransura (talk) 06:43, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Þjarkur (talk) 10:36, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2019 

message: "Please change the line "Tyagi is a surname which historically belonged to the Brahmin caste" because being the part of community Tyagi's are not historically belonged to Brahmin, Tyagi's are Brahmin and this is wrong information might create the caste dispute and regional riots.Moreover your on article On bhumihar does't mention tyagi under this category.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Talk:Tyagi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhumihar Shivam5077 (talk) 13:06, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: . It's not clear what changes you want to make. (And on a side note, if people riot over a damn Wikipedia article, there are much bigger problems than the Wikipedia article). –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:50, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2019 

message: This article is completely misleading and seems written by person, who don't have knowledge of this article or purposely doing a mischief. 
Please allow me to correct the article. Tyagi.anshuman (talk) 22:35, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. - QuadColour (talk) 01:02, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2020 

message: Tyagi are brahmins and first tyagi was rishi parshuram 2409:4053:19A:1FD:E5F6:3FE1:7A6A:1D03 (talk) 02:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --allthefoxes (Talk)  02:36, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2020 

message: ADD: Tyagis or Tagas are landowners of Brahmin ancestry primarily located in Western U.P., Delhi and Rohilkhand. The surname refers to the Hindi word for renouncement or abdication, indicating that they have abandoned their priestly functions. [Ref: K. S. Singh (ed.). People of India. Anthropological Survey of India 1996. pp 664-665] Wandsword (talk) 11:26, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:13, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. I don't think this older source would be an improvement. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:53, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2020 

message: I am Tyagi Brahmin, this page says that Tyagi are cultivators while According to History of Indian Caste says they are Brahmins in Caste.. the most upper Caste in India..
Here I am attaching Wikipedia Hindi link for ready reference, you will need to correct “Cultivators” to “Brahmin”
https://hi.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/त्यागी 2405:201:5C0A:781D:8D89:9979:1718:D907 (talk) 07:16, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. Melmann 10:12, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2021 

message: I already added Non British Raj sources and can anyone clear why Raj sources are not valid ? beacuse the same sources are addes to other Brahmin pages of wiki similarly to other caste pages.Below is the source of government of haryana of backward commison page no 105. In this clearly written that Gaur/Tyagis are originally Brahmins.This source als added by the Chariotrider in previous edits by putting them as Brahmins.
This is the report of Government of Haryana :
https://books.google.co.in/books?redir_esc=y&id=aH3aAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=tyagi Avinash Vats (talk) 12:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non British Raj Sources 

message: 103.211.190.118 (talk) 05:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 06:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2022 

message: त्यागी बाप है सभी के 103.211.190.118 (talk) 09:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tyagi 

message: Check this edit :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tyagi&oldid=844542276
Above edit was done by Sitush with sources. I am following his sources from the last year people of a certian ideology vandalization the page though their sources are invalid. Avinash Vats (talk) 14:30, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The main difference between the two versions is whether the Taga/Tyagi's were historically Brahmins. Based on Rath (2018), the change in caste name and varna claim of the Tyagi's took place during the British Raj, as part of a wider process seen among Hindu castes that saw them changing their name and varna affiliation in the Censuses. On that grounds I think the current version should be kept. Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:57, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tyagi Origin 

message: Tyagi is Surname in Brahman Caste.Tyagi Founded by State U.P., Haryana, Uttrakhand, Rajasthan, Delhi, Madhya Pradesh 2409:4051:112:1F72:0:0:FD8:10B1 (talk) 16:10, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MadGuy7023 (talk) 19:48, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 April 2022 

message: It has been mentioned that Tyagi began claiming Brahmin status during British Raj after changing their name from Taga to Tyagi. but it should be noted that they have been mentioned as a Brahmin caste which is addicted to agriculture and ignorant about their religious duties, it is clear from those writings that Taga caste was recognised as Brahmin caste even before Census conducted by Raj took place. British Raj mistook many Brahmin castes as Khsatriya in their census. 
Source - HINDU CASTES AND SECTS. An exposition of the origin of the Hindu caste system and the bearing of the sects towards each other and towards other religious system
( by- JOGENDRA NATH BHATTACHARYA)
Published by- Thacker, Spink And Co. 1896) Lordofthemughals (talk) 10:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 11:00, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 May 2023 

message: it should also be noted that Report of the backward classes commission, 1990, Government of Haryana mentioned Tyagi caste as "Historically Brahmins" Lordofthemughals (talk) 10:34, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 11:01, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 May 2023 (2) 

message: Parakramvashisht (talk) 09:40, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me!  14:51, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 October 2023 

message: Tyagi are originally Brahmins which were called by janmajeya from north of the Hindu Kush mountains which is now Afghanistan, once Afghanistan was a Brahman & Buddhist dominated country thus the Brahmins called from there were gifted villages in the now ncr region of Delhi and were called Tyagi. Many Tyagi may also pass resemblence to afghani people. 103.190.8.159 (talk) 18:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tyagi are from north of Hindu Kush mountains