Talk:List of Presidents of the United States by date and place of birth

message: The table has him being born Jan 7, 1800 but also listed as being 19th century. Technically the 18th century continues through Dec 31, 1800 and the 19th century begins Jan 1, 1801. This would put him as the last President born in the 18th century instead of the first born in the 19th century. JH443 (talk) 14:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Millard Fillmore

message: This list is particularly inaccurate - many of the items are in the wrong order - I changed one and then noticed many others. Perhaps the editors should restrict or delay changes? (97.100.106.248 (talk) 00:34, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-editing Needed

message: Sorry I was wrong, for some reason George W. Bush is on there twice! Someone needs to fix this!
I tried to-but I messed up the table (I didn't save it though) so I need someone else too!
The Robot 2000 (talk) 01:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: George Bush

message: Sort the list by OB (order of birth).
Grover Cleveland was both the 22nd and 24th president.
He is listed twice with the same birth date, but Benjamin Harrison, born on a different date, is sorted between the two entries for Grover Cleveland.
69.72.111.112 (talk) 05:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And actually, the order of birth columns are listed incorrectly. Those born before others should have a lower number, but the numbers in that column just follow the order of office exactly for some reason - maybe carelessness produced this error - please fix! (take 1924-born Carter and Bush 41 for example) ~ GoldenGoose100 (talk) 19:20, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Not Sorting Properly

message: I fixed all the OB numbers to conform to the birthdates listed. I also gave the two Grover Clevelands different Order-of-Office numbers. Do we really need two Grover Clevelands, though? This list focuses on the Presidents' births, not their tenures in office. Maybe we could just have one Cleveland with "22/24" in the Order of Office column.
68.55.166.45 (talk) 22:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: OB Fixed

message: I wonder whether it would be helpful to add a column to the table indicating each president's presidency (e.g., Jefferson = 3; Obama = 44). This column would be closely correlated with the order of birth and years in office, but would be slightly different. See, for example, the difference at J.Q. Adams (#6, but 7th in BO) versus Jackson (#7, but 6th in BO).  JohnL (talk) 17:22, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The table has a sortable column, titled "In office", which shows the dates of each president's presidency and that sorts in chronological order.Drdpw (talk) 19:14, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion

message: Place of birth is just one of the secondary pieces of information available.  The primary sort is by date of birth, and that is the only thing that should figure in the title.  I tried to move it but it needs someone with administrator-like powers. --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 18:00, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Title should not include place of birth

message: Please see WP:BRD. You do not have consensus. Besides, we have one president that served two non-consecutive terms. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:37, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: so we give him 2 numbers as he has it already i just want to make it easier to see which presidency it is instead of just having it tell you which came first AmYisroelChai (talk) 16:45, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes I think we do as now you can't tell which presidency anyone corresponds to all you see are his years of service which doesn't tell you that unless you put it in time order and than count. 148.77.10.25 (talk) 15:30, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you have a valid argument against adding visible ordinals to the existing column please state it or let the revision through. AmYisroelChai (talk) 19:14, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: While the fact that "X" was "Yth" POTUS is rather irrelevant here in this article, having it within ellipses in the cells of the "In office" is fine by me. Drdpw (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

text:  That's all I wanted AmYisroelChai (talk) 22:41, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we need to add visible ordinals for presidential administrations? 

message: I changed the sentence in this header so that it reads 'the first president born outside a home was Bill Clinton'. I then included information on every other president born in a hospital. this was reverted. Current state of the article arbitrarily considers Donald Trump a senior as president to Barack Obama, just because hes older. By that logic, if Sarah Palin became president, and then Hillary Clinton, Hillary would be the first woman president because she's older. It's just not a chronological methodology that's used at all, anywhere. Also, user who reverted removed reference to Obama birthplace. What's the point of that? And why are only the 'first three,' or rather 'first two and fourth,' presidents the 'first'? Why not the first four or five? To be grammatically correct, it should say these are the oldest presidents not born on a private residence, not the 'first'. But still, very arbitrary wording; sensibly, Clinton was the first president not born in a private residence, and all others after him were NOT the first. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 19:44, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for sharing your insights IronMaidenRocks. The header clearly trips over fact that 3 of the 4 most recent presidents were born in 1946 and that those 3 have served in reverse–chronological order. In doing so, it thus obscures the more important fact that Bill Clinton was the first president not to be born "at home". (BTW, Obama's inclusion was reverted because he is "the one not like the others".) The heading's attempt to employ a purely chronological methodology does indeed fall down. I taken a stab at fine-tuning the paragraph. It now states that all presidents born after World War II (Bill Clinton and every president since) have been born in a hospital. I also added a sentence (for historical context) about the shift in childbirth from home to hospital in the U.S. in the early 20th century. Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 01:30, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a good edit. I think, though, the actual list should be reconsidered now that this edit has been made. If the list should only contain houses where presidents were born and lived (with the exception of Clinton), includes only childhood houses, or houses or hospitals where the presidents were born. The section's name, after all, is "Presidential birthplace and early childhood historic sites", not simply "childhood historic sites".  I think excluding the last three presidents from the list diminishes its informative value. There's now also source data being unused by their exclusion; it would almost be easier to site these homes/hospitals than exclude them. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 03:07, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  'The First Presidents not born at home' 

message: This page is out of date. It does not include President Donald Trump.   
It also needs to be updated to mention President Obama's forthcoming library.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheManimal66 (talk • contribs) 02:27, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does indeed include President Trump. He is #41 on the list, as he was born before 3 of his predecessors. Also, this article will not be including any mention of President Obama's forthcoming library, as it was not the site of his birth. Drdpw (talk) 03:33, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trump missing