Talk:Itō Hirobumi

message: The Japanese language version gives his rank as 公爵 (kōshaku), which is translated Prince (or sometimes Duke) Nik42 08:21, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Count? 

message: it says that he and hsi assassin shared the same birthdate but according to both of their biographies on wikipedia, the clearly dont.
:Various birthdates appear online.  Here are no less than 5 I've found - 2 September 1838, 2 September 1841, 16 October 1840, 14 October 1841, 16 October 1841.  I don't know how we're sure we've got the right one.  --  JackofOz (talk) 03:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  trivia 

message: Deleted the title "terrorist" on An-jeung-gun. He was not a terrorist. Oyo321 15:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You cannot reference Wiki against itself. The point is that the article has a valid source for the claim, this has been fought over repeatedly and we don't need to get into it again. --Jusenkyoguide (talk) 20:29, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Delete

message: The article says that "Itō was born as the adopted son of Hayashi Juzo," which is kind of an odd thing to say.  Was there some formal arrangement with his birth family before he was born that he would be adopted by Juzo upon birth?  Or can we change this merely to say that he was adopted as an infant? --Jfruh (talk) 06:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd sentence 

message: Please consider adding this external link to the entry on Itō Hirobumi
* The Diary Junction Blog  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pikle (talk • contribs) 09:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: While I appreciate Therequiembellishere trying to add in good information, it's very confusing to state that Sanjo proceeded Ito in the various boxes on this page. Sanjo's office was not equivalent to the Prime Minister of Japan as it currently is, or even as it was under the Meiji constitution. Further more, looking at other pages, such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Walpole shows that even if there were people holding offices that were similar before hand, they are still not noted as such. --Jusenkyoguide (talk) 10:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prime minister's box 

message: ::Itō proclaimed[when?] that if East Asians did not closely cooperate with each other, all three would fall to the victims of Western imperialism. Gojong and the Joseon government believed these claims and agreed to help the Japanese military.[18] However, the opinion of Joseon soon turned against Japan over Japanese actions, including confiscation of lands, drafting civilians for forced labor, and executing those that resisted.[18] Ironically, his assassin, An Jung-geun, strongly believed in a union of the three East Asian nations in order to counter and fight off the "White Peril",[13] since the European countries engaged in colonialism. He hoped the union would restore peace in the region.
The above last paragraph of section "Evaluation in modern Korea" states that it is ironic that both Itō Hirobumi and his assassin An Jung-geun wanted a union of China, Korea, and Japan in order to shield from Western imperialism. This completely ignores history and motivation. Itō Hirobumi wanted unification of the three countries by way of Japan's absolute rule, imperialism, and slaughtering of thousands of innocent Chinese and Korean citizens. According to An Jung-geun's "On Peace in East Asia," he says he wants Pan-Asianism by way of interdependence, alliance, and friendship of the three countries. There is NO WAY that their both wanting a union is ironic. It's like saying Nazis wanted a union of Europe just like how E.U. exists now.--Zaytin (talk) 22:56, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you managed to Godwin yourself right off the get go. Jusenkyoguide (talk) 20:27, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased language under "Evaluation in modern Korea" 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Please stop removing the rest of the numbers for his holing of office. The Japanese government lists him as the 1st, 5th, 7th & 10th Prime Minister. The wiki page for Grover Cleveland lists him as the 22nd and 24th president, so there is definitely precedence for this. Jusenkyoguide (talk) 12:04, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prime Minister Numbering 

message: A couple of things to be aware of: The quote calling An a Korean nationalist is lifted directly out of the source, we should not be changing that. There is no need to lift the whole quote about the list An made for assassinating (That is the correct word, regardless) Ito as it is already on An's page and is linked to it. Before engaging in further edit warning, consensus should be reached here first in accordance with Wiki policy. Jusenkyoguide (talk) 10:55, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of more sources that can support that An is a Korean independent activist. To reach consensus, I'll change the wording to "Korean independence activist and nationalist" with sources provided. For the 15 reasons why Ito should be killed, there is no separate article of these 15 reasons. The link only links to An's page not the reaons. The death of Ito is a very important part of this article. Details should be provided here. No matter other article provide such details or not.钉钉 (talk) 14:45, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sourcing is a good thing. As for the 15, no. This is Ito's page. There's no reason for it. The link to An's page is well enough. If you feel that it needs to be narrowed down, you can link to the actual section, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Jung-geun#Assassination_of_It%C5%8D_Hirobumi which has them right there. Ito was the first prime minister of Japan, author of the Meiji Constitution, etc. His death, while important, if not the focus of his life. It would be like having an article on Abraham Lincoln that included a long list of reasons from John Wilkes Booth. That shouldn't be the focus of the article. Jusenkyoguide (talk) 00:49, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: In further checking, it would seem that when An's page had been reformatted, the link broke. I have since repaired it so it links directly to the section on the assassination.Jusenkyoguide (talk) 01:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Ito died an unusual death. So that makes adding details sensible.钉钉 (talk) 02:23, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hardly. And again, if you look at the page title, the tile says Ito Hirobumi, not The Assassination of. Jusenkyoguide (talk) 04:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current edit warning