Talk:The KLF

message: This subsection was based on my personal notes but I am leaving it here in case I am unable to get to it/I pass away/on the offchance it will inspire other editors to do some work here:
The themes section contains information which is vital to the reader's understanding of the KLF, but clearly needs a copyedit (if not a rewrite). It could be mistaken for trivia - maybe this is what John was referring to as cruft? - but in fact the band's "mythology" is crucial and central to understanding their career and work, and an entire book has been written about this since we got the article to FA. (Sidenote: I removed a sentence about Discordianism and Situationism but have put it back as a source covers it, and I understand the Higgs book covers it in even more detail).
I am not suggesting that the Themes section should necessarily become any longer, just tighter, less "listy", more coherent and better referenced (of the which the latter is the least of the problems; the section and subsections are quite well referenced but could use some supplementary modern references reflecting recent research). I'm particularly concerned that we don't tell a coherent story about Illuminatus, the number 23, pranks and whether or not the KLF were pranksters; of the gravest concern is the stuff about 23 which is basically a list.
Some sources which have come to pass since the article was first fleshed out (this list is of course not exhaustive):
*The KLF: Chaos, Magic and the Band who Burned a Million Pounds by John Higgs ()
* ref name="Contradictions":  - refers to the Higgs book and calls it "one of the most important texts of the last few years" so may be an 'executive summary' of that book and the KLF's story so far, as told here and elsewhere
*No reference name yet: 
*ref name="the-ice-kream-van-kometh":
*ref name=gua2017:
I'll do what I can, as time permits, with the web sources in the near to mid term (I've made use of some of them already; I'll try to remember to strike entries out if I feel I've exhausted their usage!). The book may have to be holiday reading.
When referencing new material we should be careful not to introduce circular references, i.e. try to weed out assertions which were probably inspired by this article. Higgs' work about the "magic" behind the band is likely to be 'safe', as reportedly he wrote an entire book about their themes, and area we haven't covered terribly well, and of course it's better to reference a book in addition to (or in some cases instead of) the sources of the day rather than just the sources of the day. That said, we shouldn't go overboard with citing one book. It may well be that in this article we just use it for a couple of citations about Discordianism and the number 23. Time will tell. --kingboyk (talk) 00:50, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Themes

message: I'm wondering if we need this subsection. The Pet Shop Boys quotes could be moved to where we mention the PSB remix. The Balfe quote could go into  Career Retrospectives or the Bill Drummond article. Chumbawumba are not PSB-level famous nor do they have the relevance of association that Balfe does, so that text could be removed. An alternative would be to find more opinions of notable contemporaries and beef it up. --kingboyk (talk) 21:17, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Opinions of contemporaries

message: More likely of use for The KLF article than for 2023: A Trilogy article about the book which already has an adequate summary of events but needs work on the plot, cover, critical reception etc: https://www.seanclark.me.uk/welcome-to-the-dark-ages --kingboyk (talk) 20:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we have enough prose on the 2017 festival now - unless I've missed anything important, and assuming there is no desire to spin off a separate article about it - but we can probably work a few more references in. I don't want to make the section substantially longer, as that would give it undue weight. --kingboyk (talk) 03:22, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Web article containing a list of sources re the reunion festival 

message: Another source to look at when have time, possibly more about Bill Drummond and/or Welcome to the Dark Ages than for this article but leaving here anyway https://www.heraldscotland.com/arts_ents/17728052.the-return-of-the-klfs-bill-drummond/ --kingboyk (talk) 06:06, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Source

message: http://klf.de/ have been online since 1997, are clearly experts, and have for many years hosted the the canonical discography originally by Ernie Longmire. Is it time to consider them a reliable source?
To make the counter argument, their About Us page doesn't express a clear editorial policy and says "What you can find on this website is a collection of facts and half-truths, lies and myths about the various activities of Bill Drummond and Jimmy Cauty. It is, however, beyond our capabilities to debunk every rumour spread over the years and present you the one truth regarding every aspect of their work." No doubt this is in keeping with the spirit of the subject, but... --kingboyk (talk) 22:34, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  klf.de a reliable source? 

message: Cross-post from WikiProject talk: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The KLF#Bill Drummond on the subject of Wikipedia Bill Drummond on the subject of Wikipedia (highlighting the dangers of the 'circular reference') --kingboyk (talk) 21:26, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bill Drummond on Wikipedia (highlighting the dangers of the 'circular reference') 

message: "the KLF Wikipedia entry is impressive by any standards" - J Cauty (2016? Article is undated but html source shows the images were uploaded in March 2016; at the bottom it says "The Aftermath Dislocation Principle UK Riot Tour starts 23 April" and the L-13 site says "the original ADP Riot Tour started on 23rd April 2016").
Given the context (he was asked what he's proud of and he said "I don’t look back with pride – plenty of time for that during the last 22 seconds of my life" and then mentioned the article), I don't know if he means the article is impressive, or the achievements therein. Either way, we now have the full set as Bill has written about both the KLF article in the book 17 and - reportedly, as I don't have a copy - about the Bill Drummond article in the book 100. --kingboyk (talk) 05:55, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jimmy Cauty on the Wikipedia article 

message: Is klfrs.com an "official" site? Trivialist (talk) 03:35, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The KLF Re-enactment Society / klfrs.com 

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