Talk:Kekkei genkai/Archive 1

message: This article or section should include material from byakugan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MeltBanana (talk • contribs) 14:01, 29 April 2005  (UTC)
:Merged with byakugan and sharingan, I might do mangekyou sharingan if I have time -- Hobbeslover 19:31, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: someone get a new Mangekyo picture, this one's too big and it appears to be a normal eye. --151.200.31.48 17:26, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done--JadziaLover 13:49, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merged 

message: I have reworded this particular passage, especially the words in bold:
The potential advantage Byakugan can provide in battle lags severely behind the spectacular feats potentially achieved by possessors of the Sharingan (believed to be its genetic relative), but it is worth noting that while the different levels and vast multitude of abilities which can be activated via Sharingan have been almost (if not completely) exhausted it remains to be seen whether there is any more to the Byakugan than what has already been exposed.
into this (my amendments are in italics):
Although it seems that the potential advantage Byakugan can provide in battle lags behind the spectacular feats potentially achieved by possessors of the Sharingan (believed to be its genetic relative) because it cannot copy techniques that it sees, or hypnotize human targets, in terms of insight the former surpasses the latter  because it can "see" a lot of what the latter sees (and in some cases, see it better) as well as seeing a lot of what the Sharingan doesn't see. See below.
because the first passage appears to be worded in such a way that makes the Byakugan apparently inferior to the Sharingan by stating matter-of-factly that it "lags behind." In fact it has been stated within the series itself that the Byakugan, though admittedly not being able to copy techniques on-the-fly or hypnotize people, can "see" much better than the Sharingan, as stated by Kakashi himself. I have also deleted that last part about the Sharingan's abilities being almost (if not completely) exhausted in the series, since I feel that there isn't any evidence (internal or otherwise) for this. -- Gryphon Hall 16:23, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the apparent "limitations" of the Byakugan and the Sharingan 

message: There should be an entry for Sakon/Ukon's kekkei genkai on this page, shouldn't there? Also I propose merging Naruto jutsu#Kekkei Genkai (Bloodline Limits) with this page ^^. I also think there should be mentions of the possible Kekkei genkai of Deidara and the Sandaime Kazekage. --JadziaLover 22:06, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Added Sakon/Ukon and Deidara, and the Kazekage. --Pentasyllabic 23:21, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions 

message: I was always under the impression that their abilities were merely a side effect due to the Curse Seal. Obviously the Curse Seal physically alters the bearer's body, and I figured this was an alteration given to Sakon/Ukon. However, it's also apparent that the Curse Seal manipulates and strengthens one's existing abilities such as the addition of a bone-filled tail to Kimimaro. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I think some clarification of this issue should be made if evidence to do so exists. If not, maybe this issue should be addressed more fully in the Sakon/Ukon section. -- JesusFreakATX 06:53, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The second databook clearly states that Sakon and Ukon's abilities (Tarenken, Tarenkyaku, Souma no Kou, Kisei Kikai) are Kekkei Genkai related jutsu.--JadziaLover 09:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, thank you. I have not read the data books unfortunately. Do you know where I might obtain them? JesusFreakATX 06:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the addition of Sakon/Ukon's Kekkei Genkai 

message: Oh yeah another question to can Tsunade perform the Mokuton ninjutsu seeing as she's the granddaughter of the first Hokage —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.218.219.219 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 2 April 2006  (UTC)
:No, only the Shodai and those with the same genetic make-up can perform Mokuton Ninjutsu.
:～卍 JadziaLover 会話~投稿 卐～ 05:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  confusion 

message: If Kakashi had a baby with somebody would the baby posess it as kekkai genkai and if this were true then would it be in both eyes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.218.219.219 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 2 April 2006  (UTC)
:No, Lamarck, that's not how it works. --69.113.106.92 04:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the Sharingan was added unnaturally to Kakashi. As such, if he had any decendants, they wouldn't even inherit it in one eye. The Wretched 13:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  inheritance 

message: The Naruto jutsu page contains a second set of (somewhat more basic) information about kekkei genkai, essentially creating two Bloodline limit pages. While it does have a link to the main Kekkei genkai (Naruto) page, I would suggest scanning the Naruto Jutsu's version for any information the Kekkei genkai page doesn't already have, and then deleting it and just leaving the link - what says anyone else?  Phoenix1985 15:21, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: this is just my opinion but i think it should  stay like tis,if anyone seconds phoenix 1985's opinion it's fine with me.--67.191.195.232 17:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: I was wondering, shouldn't the Inuzuka's extra sensitive nose, as well as their ability to communicate with canines be considered a kekkei genkai? --tensaryu July 11 // 12:15 PM
:No. It's a skill accomplished with chakra molding. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inuzuka Clan 

message: The ability of copying faces that is labeled as a Kekkei Genkai in the Treasure Hunt Arc should be added to the list, although it is not considered Canon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Doomed Rasher (talk • contribs) .
:That wasn't ever identified as a kekkei genkai, just a special talent of the clan. There's no evidence that it couldn't be learned by an outsider. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 16:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treasure Hunt Arc Kekkei Genkai 

message: :Haku's kekkei genkai brings up one of the larger continuity issues in the series, though it is restricted to the movies. In Naruto the Movie: Snow Princess' Book of Ninja Arts, the three Snow ninja were all able to use some form of ice-based jutsu. Furthermore, Kakashi was able to copy one of their jutsu with his Sharingan. This could only mean that their ice-based jutsu wasn't kekkei genkai-based, yet it is explained in Part II that such techniques require the ability to mix chakra, which normal people can't do.
I have some objections to this this section, the foremost being that the movies aren't generally considered canon. But, if you want to speculate, there were only four Snow ninja (probably elite ninja too, having the power to stage a coup in the Snow Country), and thus not "normal people". (see also: retcon) --Pentasyllabic 22:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. Only seemed prudent to include it after that whole explanation. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

text: It has been explained that Haku mixes wind and water chakra, thus making ice. It was his bloodline. --Benpercent 16:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haku's bloodline and continuity 

message: which is stronger?--67.191.195.232 17:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is up for debate, both have specific advantages and disadvantages. You can't really say that one is ultimately better than the other. --.:Debil:. 01:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Byakugan Vs. sharingan 

message: I uploaded a new picture of Itachi's Mangekyou Sharingan, because the old one was weak, and the image was squished. Enjoy.
--.:Debil:. 01:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: nice i could have drawn a pic better than the old one.--Geterdone 16:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Picture 

message: i think we should remove the exploding clay from the blood line list it's a hidden art not a blood line.--Geterdone 17:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  remove 

message: Why isn't anything included on Akadō Yoroi?  Has the anime or manga confirmed that his chakra-stealing technique isn't a kekkei genkai?  Because I distinctly remember back when it was first introduced that there was a flurry of discussion about it, and most of it seemed to point to the technique being a kekkei genkai.  Someone mind clearing this up? Kakashi-sensei 05:26, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Jirobo had the same ability, so it's not blood-related. Just a skill. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 06:16, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Akadō Yoroi 

message: As explained in a recent chapter by Kakashi, kekkei genkai rely on elemental mixes. I want to edit this article to add the confirmed elemental mixes and add kakashi's speech to the top. ok?
Nomingo 19:31, 26 Aug 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's necessary since the Hyoton and Mokuton entries already mention what types they mix, unless there are other known mixes? --Pentasyllabic 17:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You misunderstand Kakashi. He said Haku and Yamato rely on such mixes. The Sharingan, Byakugan, etc, do not rely on such mixes to operate. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 00:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

text: That's using wind element to control sand, not a mix. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elemental mixes 

message: You can't really see the pupils or what it looks like in the colored picture because of the shadows, we might want to replace it with a Manga picture instead, cause a black and White eye is easier to see then the Red and Black we are seeing now. Plus the eye isn't even in center fold in that picture.
I don't really mean to argue,but I think that the pictures are just fine.Zachary crimsonwolf 12:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  We should get a better Picture for Itachi's MS 

message: What exactly does Amaterasu do?
:Try clicking the link. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amaterasu 

message: can Tenzo (yamato)realy "control biju" i thuoght he just reversed the transformation.
:Same genes, same ability. Also, the ability to suppress the Kyubi is controlling it, since he's making it do something against its will. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 00:04, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biju control 

message: Should the Kurama clan's kekkei genkai really be under possible kekkei genkai i mean it was in the show and they did say they had a kekkei genkai. Im just saying it should be switchedHoshigaki Kisame 20:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The anime said it was a kekkei genkai, hence it's going to be mentioned. In any case, the power to have illusions cause tangible effects is quite unique. Besides, why are you commenting on months-old topics? There's little point. And sign your posts with four tildes. Sephiroth BCR 02:19, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurama clan's kekkei genkai 

message: Shouldn't someone make a place for the filler kekkai genkai's to be under, to help people not get confused and that they are only in the anime and not really considered canon. It's not too important since there's only two, but im just pointing this out.
:It's not up to us to decide what's canon and what isn't. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filler Kekkai Genkai's 

message: Naruto having a demon inside him can't really be considered a clan technique as someone learns such from other members of that clan, which Naruto doesn't have.
:What are you talking about, no one said anything about Naruto in a clan and it's not in the articles.
::Then why is he used in the notes section?
:::Naruto is used as an example of what a kekkei genkai is not. Try reading it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naruto's clan 

message: Is the sharingan able to tell the difference between types of jutsu. I mean like being able to tell if one jutsu is an earth type while another is lightning and stuff like that. I was just wondering because of when Kakashi found out Kakuzu was using an earth jutsu, and was wondering if that was either the sharingan or just him using the sharingan to see the jutsu and then he deduced what it was because of being quite knowledgeable.
:That's Kakashi's own knowledge. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah I just reread it so never mind.
I have a sharingan question. Can the sharingan copy clan techniques because i don't see why it shouldn't.74.73.103.13 23:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Presumably, as long it's Hiden rank. Kekkei genkai is impossible to copy.Jacce 14:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sharingan

message: This page doesn't have anything in it about Aburame Shino being a bug master.  In the Chunin Exams it says that it's a clan trait.  A pretty cool one (though definitely grosser than most).  Why hasn't anyone added anything about it to this page?  I'd do it, but I don't think I know everything about it.  I've only seen up through episode 75 so far, and I haven't read any of the manga.
--63.239.240.1 21:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the notes. Their ability to control bugs is not a kekkei genkai. They merely make themselves into a hive and control the bugs through chakra. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aburame Clan Kekkei genkai 

message: So does the sharingan actually let the user use any element? Since it can copy mostly any jutsu I'm sure that it allows them to manipulate all the elements. If not then this whole new nature manipulation is confusing. Oontzah 04:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It only lets the user use those jutsu they have the ability to perform. One must know how to perform water/fire/etc. jutsu to properly copy such things. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on Sharingan 

message: Everybody's been saying that Kakashi has his own varient of the MS. Now this is just a theroy, but, Couldn't it be that the Mangekyou Sharingan's "requirement" and development differs amoung the users? We've only seen two different versions on only two different people.  74.234.57.43 15:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mangekyou Sharingan

message: I mean if you think about it only her and her dad do things like that, she should be invluded in this shoulden't she? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.190.133.20 (talk) 19:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some clans has developt some special characteristic technique, like Ino and the mind jutsu, but they are not genetic, like the kekkei genkai, so thats why they are called Hiden, because nobody outside the clan knows them.Jacce 06:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  dosen't Ino's abilities to enter others peoples bodys count as a kekkei genkai? 

message: Is Shikamaru's abilities clan related, or are they a Kekkei Genkai? Sorry if we talked about this, but I don't have the databooks to check. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.119.225.61 (talk) 14:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's clan related.Jacce 15:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nara Clan Shadow abilities 

message: I was just wondering, should we put Hiden's immortality ability under possible kekkei genkai? It seemed to be connected to his body, as it didn't ever run out, even after he was completely blown to pieces.Lascoden 04:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not clear what causes it. Could be a technique of some sort. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it shouldnt be put under Kekkei Genkai because you cant pass down immortality through your genes. Or else all of Hidan's family would be alive and known. Orochimaru12 07:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hiden

message: Would the iron sand be the same as the Wood based moves that the First Hokage pulls out? Rocks Lotus 13:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really understand the question. The same in what sense? Both are jutsu used by Kages, one is definitely a Kekkei Genkai and the other is probably a kekkei genkai. Retlor 15:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Yamantos moves is definitely Kekkei Genkai, Thirds is probably Kekkei genkaiJacce 15:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Iron Sand

message: In the manga, it is apparent now that Sasuke has obtained a Mangekyo Sharingan (which he used to apparently kill/defeat Orichimaru). Shouldn't There be an article entailing his Mangekyo? He's obviously got it, and through some means that didn't involve killing his best friend (unless he was under the assumption that he had killed Naruto in their last encounter, which I'm sure he isn't). So there are now three Mangekyo users, Sasuke's being identical to Itachi's in ability (I.E. illusion dimension powers). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.184.104.75 (talk) 07:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont think its right to assume that Sasuke's Sharingan is MS the only differince is a Circle conecting the dots. Remember "Assuption's are the mother of all fuck ups" Rocks Lotus 09:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Obvious? Seems speculative to me. And lots of characters can cast illusions without the Mangekyo. 71.203.209.0 05:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

text: All the Sharingans have the circle. To me it seems that while Sasuke defeated Orochimaru his the circle was much more defined,  that could be due to the drawing. Pyromaniac589 10:28, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan 

message: This section has to go. It is pure original research, as neither ability has been officially stated to be Kekkei genkai. You have as good a chance as saying any other single-person jutsu whose rank has not been given in the databooks (Hidan's immortality, Kazuku's hearts, etc) is a Kekkei Genkai. I'm deleting the section entirely. You Can't See Me! 01:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Any commentary can be applied under the respective jutsu article. Sephiroth BCR 23:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Kekkei Genkai 

message: The Third Kazekage had a special genetic trait that allowed him to turn the chakra he molded into magnetic forces. This ability allowed him to create his Iron Sand, based on the jutsu used by the previous host of Shukaku. This ability was "inherited," and likely made more deadly through the addition of poison, by Sasori in his Kazekage puppet. It is unknown if this was a kekkei genkai, or wholly unique to the Third, similar to the First Hokage's ability to perform Mokuton jutsu.
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As far as I'm concerned, that doesn't cut it. It's speculation. You'd be doing the same thing by adding a sentence under Fourth Hokage saying, "It is unclear if this is Naruto's father, or if the similarities between the two are pure coincidence." If my eyes aren't playing tricks on me, you get rid of those kinds of additions. This article is about kekkei genkai, not abilities that may or may not be kekkei genkai. You Can't See Me! 07:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Any commentary can be applied under the respective jutsu article. Sephiroth BCR 23:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Iron Sand

message: Shouldnt Jugo's power be classified as a Kekkei Genkai. I mean it did say it was because of his blood. Just a suggestion 72.76.247.177 03:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a difference between being in one's blood and being in one's genes. Granted, the word "blood" is thrown around a lot in the context of "genes," but that's not a guarantee. For all we know, Jugo's ability may be floating around in his bloodstream, not programmed into his bloodline. Think "disease," sort of like mutant-ninja-AIDS. You Can't See Me! 09:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jugo 

message: Because I have no way of entering kanji other than going through other articles in search of the same kanji, could someone add the kanji to Souma no Kou's entry? Also, shouldn't the ability's name go from "Souma no Kou" → "Sōma no Kō" → "Soma no Ko"? ~SnapperTo 02:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Point to Snapper2. Game, Set, Match. You Can't See Me! 09:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Souma no Kou 

message: I've been reading about the Byakugan and the Sharingan, and I read that the Sharingan can see through Genjutsu, but there was nothing about it in the Byakugan section. I'm experiencing a backwards effect here. At a Naruto site (can't remember which one), I read there that the Byakugan can see throught Genjutsu, but It didn't say that the Sharingan could. Which is true, and where is it found? 74.167.170.215 23:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Byakugan's never demonstrated any such ability. Sharingan has. Itachi quite easily sees though Kurenai's genjutsu. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: RE: Byakugan seeing through Genjutsu, it's probably an assumption made because the Byakugan can distinguish normal Clones from Shadow Clones, though this is a function of being able to see the Chakra circulation within a person and not necessarily seeing through Genjustu. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ Yell ○ 18:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Byakugan, Sharingan and Genjutsu

message: Like the title seggusts I am wonder why the Mangekyo Sharingan was not shown America.  It does not look like any religious symbol or any thing like that. What the hell @#$*%. user:thedarklonewolf 12:01 am, April 22 2007 (UTC)
:Hate to point out the obvious, but the actual form of it is not shown for some time. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't get to see what it looks like until Sasuke's flashbacks in Naruto vs. Sasuke. You Can't See Me! 22:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was the Mangekyo Sharingan was not shown in America 

message: What about the sharingan that sasuke's evolves into that looks like a three bladed shuriken? It comes just as he is about to use Flapping Chidori on naruto while naruto uses rasengan. I know it'll be speculation, But there should be something on it.---As said on this site, The wii version will Have wii compatibility 17:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you referring to third tomoe that he gains during his fight with Naruto, or the random showing of Itachi prior to the scene in question? ~SnapperTo 20:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, no, I am reffering to the sharingan that briefly forms on sasukes eyes. The circle in the center is not big enough to be the mangekyo. This.Right here.---As said on this site, The wii version will Have wii compatibility. And yes, I am putnamehere3145 17:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An actual screenshot would be more helpful, not a recreation of its appearance. ~SnapperTo 03:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Couldn't find one. V_V---As said on this site, The wii version will Have wii compatibility 04:02, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So in other words you're just making it up or merely aren't paying close enough attention. There's no such thing. End of story. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was also in the first cutscene on naruto shippuden:Narutimate accel. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Putnamehere3145 (talk • contribs) 04:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it wasn't. There is no such thing. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hate to argue. search for naruto ending 16 and look at the 4th sharingan form. that is all. I am done arguing. Sorry for your time.---As said on this site, The wii version will Have wii compatibility 06:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not there, either. You are making it up. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, I've heard of it too. It's pretty popular, but he didn't make it up. If anyone still cares, I could thy and find a pic of what it looks like. 74.167.170.215 16:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: another example of it. 72.24.191.233 23:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fan-art. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have read the manga and watched the anime closely, there is no 3 bladed sharingan. Someone probably made it up. Pyromaniac589 10:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sharingan form