Talk:Orson Scott Card/Archive 1

message: On this latest addition:
:In 2005, Card accepted a position as professor at Southern Virginia University in Buena Vista, Virginia.
Is Card really throwing in the towel and becoming a professor?  Eww!  Why in the world would he want to do that?  Do we have a source for this? — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:33, May 16, 2005 (UTC)
:Actually, nevermind.  I found the info on his website.  That's too bad... we'll probably never see another novel out of Card again... — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:37, May 16, 2005 (UTC)
::A thoughtful editor sent me a link to an article explaining his decision to become a professor.  It turns out he is a professor only 50% of the time. The other 50% of the time he spends writing fiction, the same as he's been doing for years.  It has a lot of interesting facts, glimpses into his personal life and such.  The link is below, but be forwarned: it is written for an LDS audience and he uses some "Mormonisms" without explaining them (his target audience already knows what the terms mean).  If you're not LDS, you probably won't understand some of it:
::Why I Am Teaching at SVU... and Why SVU is Important by Orson Scott Card
:Hey, perhaps this link should be added to the extern links section.  What does everyone else think?  It is too Mormon-centric? — Frecklefoot | Talk 20:58, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
::I don't think so. You should add it, I believe. :) Cookiecaper 18:25, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Professor?

message: The current text implies he started the column (or it started being carried in the GSO paper?) after 9/11/2001.  That's incorrect -- I read Uncle Orson as early as 1997, and I think it existed on the AOL version of Hatrack a year or more before that.
--Richard Berg 06:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Uncle Orson Reviews Everything

message: I notice there is no mention of the Ender's Game Movie on the front page.  Also there is a computer game called Alvin's World in production.  I was thinking about adding them both, but wonder if there is a good reason not to.  From what I understand Card has a lot to do with both of them.SDG
:I'd say go ahead and add it.  Koyaanis Qatsi 22:05, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ender's Game movie and Alvin's World computer game

message: The long set of quotes shoud go into Wikiquotes, with only a couple remaining here. -Willmcw 22:31, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)
:I agree.  As it stands, the quotes make up a big bulk of the article. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:37, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
::As I said above, I think the quotes taken from his charachters are not actually quotes by Card.  They are more appropriate on the page for the book from whence they were taken.  Card's own quotes arguably do have a place here, but they are definitely slanted to his politics.  Because the politics is just a small piece of the article and not what Card is famous for, they could definitly be thinned down.  SDG 18:11, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: I deleted three paragraphs on Mr. Card's opinions that are not supported by cites - and that are substantially at odds with the evidence. They were also strongly critical, and smacked of exaggeration for the sake of vilifying Mr. Card. - Reaverdrop 23:07, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsupported (and strongly critical) material deleted 

message: Adding a link as suggested by Delldot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:151.205.180.171  151.205.180.171 18:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Link

message: I just deleted a comment about Geoffrey Card asking people not to publicize his relationship to his father while at BYU. I did this because I AM Geoffrey Card, and I found it to be seriously misleading. I have asked people, on occasion, not to make a big deal out of my "famous" connection, just because I like to be judged for my own merits, and in some circles, being the kid of a famous author grants me a sort of undeserved celebrity that makes me a little distrustful of people's motives :)
But in the context of this article, which among other things, addresses a lot of the political controversy surrounding Card, this comment makes it sound as though I were trying to distance myself from him, or as though we had had some kind of falling out. Which couldn't be FURTHER from the case. He and I just spent the holidays together, we still collaborate on occasion, and while I remain a bit touchy in my social life about wanting to be known within my own social circles as an individual, I think that such feelings are private, and are not appropriate material for an encyclopedia article.
I realize that Wikipedia has a policy against using the site for self-promotion, which is one reason I haven't done silly things like spinning off a stub about myself :)  But I'm hoping that REMOVING an inaccurate comment about myself without replacing it with anything new counts as the opposite of self-promotion (self DE-motion?) and will be allowed to stand.
I'm also kind of curious who added that original comment, and what their source was. Not because I'm mad or anything ... I just haven't seen many of my old college friends in a while, and I'm assuming it was one of them :)
:That's fine. You're right that it probably isn't a good idea to make an article about yourself, but there's nothing wrong with editing it or this page as long as you try to remain somewhat neutral. Some people will tell you this isn't so but these people are wrong; keep your head and you'll be fine. Likewise, there is nothing wrong with correcting inaccuracies, wherever they appear.
:If you want to be looked at as a serious Wikipedia editor, you should register an account and sign your contributions to talk pages with four tildes (~~~~). I'm sure you'd be good to have around, and you might want to consider joining the Mormonism WikiProject at WP:LDS. Feel free to stop by my talk page anytime you need anything. Best of luck, and thanks for your correction. Cookiecaper 01:14, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm hoping self-DEmotion isn't against the rules ... 

message: Card sort of sounds like a traditional fascist, and hear me out on this.  Not Nazi-genocidal fascist but Mussolini-Franco-Suharto fascist: distrustful of free markets and individual freedom, rationalism and secularism (his views on evolution and ID), anti-homosexual (or their agenda, if you prefer), but he masks it under the cover of "anti-racism", so maybe he's more of a Fidel Castro or Stalin-type in some regards: proclamations of equality for all but de facto unwilling to tolerate radically diverging opinion.  I'm not saying these things to be an ass but just to try to pinpoint his ideological leanings.  Fascism is a bad word in today's political discourse but IMO it's just a different variant of totalitarianism and collectivism.  I'm NOT anti-Card, I like his books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.98.50 (talk • contribs) 
:Homosexuality was illegal in Britain during WWII so I don't think views on homosexuality relate that closely to Fascism. This might be controversial to say, but I think Fascists had "enemies" they were more concerned about than homosexuals. In the US in WWII prayers were still said in public schools, so non-secularist doesn't relate either. (For that matter Mussolini wrote a book about a Cardinal's mistress and originally Fascism had a strong anti-clerical streak) A Fascist generally favors economic corporatism, statolatry, and a disdain for democracy. I've never seen any evidence Card is like that. A more accurate, if potentially misleading, statement would be to say he's backward.--T. Anthony 07:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I'd agree with his description, but it's nice to hear someone use that term to mean something other than "cruel". It was once a distinct political philosophy. As far as I understand it, I didn't agree with it, but it wasn't the bugbear that a lot of people use it for today. This discussion, while interesting, unfortunately has nothing to do with OSC. Zaklog 16:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To be honest... 

message: I read most of his reviews on movies (e.g.   ). However, it seems that (from my POV) he doesn't know what is a good or bad movie. Instead, he embarrasses himself sometimes. He uses his standards (family, morality, etc.) to lash against critically successful good movies like Pulp Fiction, American Beauty, Citizen Kane, Pleasantville, all Woody Allen movies after the movie Love and Death, etc.; while he adores lame commericial hits like Hitch (after 3rd time), Charlie's Angels and its sequel, Mission: Impossible II, You've Got Mail (although it has good moments like MI2), etc. Speaking of lame, he adored ones that moderately performed at the box office and/or were more critically praised like Uptown Girls, The Runaway Jury (which wasn't bad, but...), The Upside of Anger, etc.
Also, he thought that either King Kong or The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe should be nominated for Oscar's Best Picture of 2005. Moreover, he thought that Chicago deserved to win Best Picture of 2002.
But the things I like about his views were on The Matrix series (although sometimes he said things merely right on sequels, NOT wrong), The Lord of the Rings film trilogy, Star Wars series (although his examples were pure bull sometimes, and I liked ROTJ), etc. Also, he pointed out most movies listed on "Movies that made a lot of money that were horrible" list.
However, I more likely agree on users from "Hatrack Forum"  than I ever had before. But I'll say that he has his fans (loyal or not) no matter what circumstances, especially by his books. 69.227.173.21 11:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, okay.  Did you actually have anything to say in regards to the article?  This isn't an OSC discussion board. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know why that original user said that. However, he should've said that the part of an article must include his views on movies. — Gh87 07:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  His views on movies 

message: Sorry guys, but "with permission" doesn't fly when a free license image already exists.  See WP:FAIR:
:No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information. If unfree material can be transformed into free material, it should be done instead of using a "fair use" defense
The picutre needs to be licensed under a free one like GFDL or CC or something...it can't just be for non-commerical uses.  Given that Card acutally said something about it on the forums, I'm sure it would be no big deal to try to get it under a freer license. Hbdragon88 08:23, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use image removed 

message: Why was the "People from California" changed to "California writer"?  He is from California, but doesn't live there now and hasn't for years and years.  I wouldn't call him a "California writer" simply because he was born there.  Anyone else? — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: California writer

message: Im adding Treason to the other works and I am moving Empire from other to the shadow series sense it is no longer up coming...
and as side note I think other post ender works is a pretty lame heading it infers the ender saga is the only book of importance...
SelfStudyBuddy
:It is his defining work... feel free to change it if you like. Perhaps a purely chronological list would be better?  ---J.S (t|c) 03:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean Empire is no longer forthcoming?  His website says it is coming out in Novemeber 2006. According to my timestamp, it is only August. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree.  I've read the first chapters of Empire that Card has published on his site, and it is not an Ender novel (and is still hasn't been released, so it is still upcoming).  And while the Ender series is probably his most popular, I don't think we should group his works as pre-Ender and post-Ender.  That would only be appropriate if the Ender series was pivotal in his career somehow, like it completely changed the way he wrote.  While Ender probably made him more recognized, the first novel and series didn't change his writing style or themes. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Works 

message: after review of article and discussion I believe they should be both be put under a clean up tag. which I will now do if anyone has any strong objections please state them
SelfStudyBuddy
:What needs to be cleaned up? I've moved the "works" section over to it's own article.  It looked like the biggest source of clutter. ---J.S (t|c) 03:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up