Talk:Huáscar (ironclad)

message: I see that a recent edit changes "were killed" to "died", possibly by a Spanish speaker, allegedly because the former somehow suggests killed afterwards (one possible literal translation to Spanish: "los mataron" could be taken to mean "murdered" or "executed"). The reason behind the change is understandable as it is aiming for NPOV: crew indeed died during, and as a result of the battle.
Note, however, that English "were killed" is not used the same way as Spanish "los mataron" but rather "fueron muertos". The normal use does not necessarily convey the same negative meanings as in Spanish, and is widely used  I.e. "Killed in action" (KIA - muerto en acción); "killed by a forest fire" (murieron en un incendio); "were killed during the battle" (murieron en batalla). Thus, Prat was killed after boarding, Grau was killed during the battle, Thomson was killed during the bombardment of Arica. Just noting this, as you may find the phrase elsewhere within the article ("Thomson was killed" is) or elsewhere. Be assured, this is still NPOV.
- Cheers, TopQuark 18:25, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree --GringoInChile 15:26, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language: "were killed" vs. "died" 

message: While I don't, in any way, dispute the significance of the ship, the following phrase:
"Although often overlooked by Euro-centric historians, objective evaluation reveals Huáscar to be one of the most significant historic warships afloat. Few museum ships approach the Huáscar's combination of technological significance, combat record, folklore references, or length of active service.".
Does not seem very NPOV. The Huáscar stands on her own merits. I would argue for the paragraph's elimination, but solicit your comments first. Seaphoto 23:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In recent years, I would argue just the opposite - there have been a steady increase in the number of available books on the era, and if you want to use the availability of model kits as an indicator, there has never before been such a variety of pre-dreadnought amd earlier subjects.  But I was mostly objecting to the Euro-centric comment - a statement like that needs some documentation behind it. Seaphoto 05:18, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I didn't write that paragraph, I assume that whoever writted must mean that, compare with the USS Constitution and the HMS Victory, It does not recieve the attention that it deserves. Messhermit 14:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this paragraph should stay, as it is NPOV and illustrates a good point about certain trends in historiography (although, nowadays those trends are not as dominant as in the past) With respect, Ko Soi IX 08:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Significance

message: Without any doubt Miguel Grau did a great work as he contained the Chilean fleet for 137 days and that must be exposed to the reader. Nevertheless, Wikipedia must deliver a neutral view of the facts and avoid any apotheosis of one side. In my opinion, the current version of the exploits didn't success in overcoming the dificulties. 
There are at least two broken WP rules. 
First the WP:Due: the little victories of the Huascar are exposed in the most exhaustive length but without references and without context. For example "She sank 16 Chilean vessels including ships and boats". Oh! sixteen sounds very well, but how many boats were under the 16?. The sentence hides that under the 16 could have been 15 boats!. Other Example "Damaged ports of Cobija, Tocopilla, Patillos and Mejillones, Huanillos, Punta de Lobo, Chañaral, Huasco, Caldera, Coquimbo and Taltal". It sounds great!, but what do they mean with "Huanillos"? How many thousand inhabitants had Huanillo?, which was the military, economic or political importance of Huanillo and the others?. The third example is shameful: "Damaged the Chilean ships Blanco Encalada, Abtao, Magallanes and Matías Cousiño". The Blanco Encalada captured the Huascar. The writer scorns the reader.
The second rule is Balance: Neutrality weights viewpoints in proportion to their prominence. The text regarding the exploits ("Huáscar went on with her mission and in ... Chilean Navy replaced its own chief of staff.") contains 147 words and 1020 characters. In contrast, the text regarding the capture of the Huascar ("On 8 October 1879, Huáscar was captured by the Chilean Navy at the Battle of Angamos, during which most of Huáscar's crew were killed, including Rear Admiral Grau.") contains 28 words and 166 characters. The article suggests that the exploits of the Huascar were more important than the destruction of the Peruvian Navy.
In my opinion, it is urgently to improve this part of the article. It must be said that the importance of the Huascar was to contain the enemy for 137 days and not to destroy the "port" of Huanillo or to sink fishing boats. And a little bit more about the capture of the Huascar. --Keysanger 15:42, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Exploits of the Huascar

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