Talk:Stockton and Darlington Railway

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: - Replaced the book cover image with a photo of the locomotive. Slambo (Speak) 12:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: Does anyone else think there should be a route map of some sort if it is really so important. The current one is not up to scratch   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.231.84 (talk) 08:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think so too! I've improved the map's description so that nobody should be too disappointed anymore if they click on it hoping to get any details of the S&DR route (there are none). But what's needed is a better map, large-scale, showing the three main points on the original route. Pete Hobbs (talk) 20:43, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Route Map

message: This article needs quite a lot of work to improve it. The S&DR was the world's first "proper" public railway (in the sense of being publicly owned and passenger-carrying - the Oystermouth Railway was the first to take passengers, but it was a small private venture). Yet the article had no mention of this at all! One of several faults, most of which are to do with the disjointed flow of the whole article. I have improved the introduction, and split what was a long mid section titled "History" into two (now "Planning and construction" and "Opening and early operations"). Also the article's description of the opening run cited a source which, when checked, gave a totally different description of the run! I'm inclined to believe only the published source, but have left the (probably inaccurate) first description in place with a reference to "according to an unknown source", until somebody can come up with a better solution or verification. But this article needs rewriting - it has too many disjointed paras that don't follow on from each other. Pete Hobbs (talk) 20:38, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Article improvements needed

message: I've just started an expansion of this important article; please bear with me, I'll start a peer review when I'm about done. If I'm happy with the article I'll take it to GA or FA. Edgepedia (talk) 09:56, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article expansion 

message: Good professional editing by User:Edgepedia a few minutes ago. But just one immediate query re passengers in the section about The Opening - some travelling on coal waggons got changed to some travelling on waggons full of coal. Is this correct? If full of coal, surely there was no room for passengers! I'd always assumed the coal waggons were empty, and probably swept clean for the day. If passengers AND coal, then maybe they were half full of coal? It's a genuine curiosity - did passengers really pay to stand on top of full coal waggons? It seems a highly dangerous thing to do, even for the early 1800s. Pete Hobbs (talk) 18:36, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just re-read Tomlinson, and I can't find it. I think I was influenced by the painting on this page of 1949. Thanks for the catch. Edgepedia (talk) 19:13, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No I've got it - In the list on p. 110 of Tomlinson: "Six waggons loaded with coals: passengers on the top of them." But most travelled in the waggons. Edgepedia (talk) 19:19, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

text: It was of course quite usual, and cheaper, to travel on the outside of the horse drawn road coaches - one account I've read recently had about nine people on the outside and three inside. Early railway carriages had seating on the outside, and someone died on the S&DR in 1840 after falling from the roof of a carriage. The speeds were generally quite low. The Board of Trade started imposing safety rules later. Edgepedia (talk) 19:27, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Travelling on coal waggons, or on wagons full of coal? 

message: This was promoted a couple of days ago, although the bot has yet to update the article history and archive the discussion. I note there's a discussion about choosing the TFAs on the requests talk page, and my suggestion is for this to be Today's Featured Article date on 27 September 2015; i.e. the 190 year anniversary. Edgepedia (talk) 06:36, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
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message: I've reverted this
The usual claim (with many sources for it) is that the S&DR was the world's first steam-hauled public railway. It was not the world's first steam railway (Middleton Railway, Wylam Colliery, Killingworth Colliery, Kilmarnock and Troon Railway), it was not the world's first public railway (Swansea and Mumbles Railway). However it was the first to combine public access, passenger carrying and steam haulage.
I don't see these added sources contradicting this. Yes, the Middleton Railway was earlier, however it wasn't open to the public - it carried coal for a colliery and railway owner. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:36, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, some thought on this - does the Kilmarnock and Troon Railway beat it for public access with steam haulage - which would make it only the first in England? That said, the Kilmarnock and Troon was a plateway in its early years, so "first railway" might still be narrowly valid for the S&DR, but that's surely over nit-picking. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:20, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  First public railway? 

message: The current format, showing as '1⁄2', seems to be widespread on Wiki, and is presumably a mandatory style. I feel that it looks awkward, and that it should be replaced by the '½' style, which is standard on Word systems. Valetude (talk) 17:00, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: See MOS:FRAC.  The '½' style is explicitly forbidden.  Except for science and mathematics articles, the preferred format is  yielding . Martin of Sheffield (talk) 19:38, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
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message: The long standing content in the lede "Passengers were carried in coaches drawn by horses until carriages hauled by steam locomotives were introduced in 1833."  which is essentially supported in the body has been thrice removed today winning the edit war.  The content was deemed suitable at 27 September 2015 when featured article was obtained.  While occasional steam loco passenger haulage occured such as on opening and as demo to L&MR directors my understanding is horse drawn was the norm.   Alternative wordings such as "Passenger carriages were usually horse drawn rather than steam locomotive hauled until 1833."  may be acceptable.  Consensus is required thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 15:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored it. Tomlinson (chapter IV) has several descriptions of the practice, with illustrations. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:44, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of passenger carriages drawn by horses 

message: If the historic bridge is mentioned, it should be linked.
Robert McClenon (talk) 20:14, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Linked in infobox picture caption, and twice in article text. (And there's a modern photo too, now).--Verbarson (talk) 16:59, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Skerne Bridge]] 

message: I have added to the list a fact copied from the article on the Opening of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway which was mentioned in connection with the death of William Huskisson, that the first recorded fatality caused by a locomotive in this country was not Huskisson's but of an unnamed "blind American beggar" woman on the S&DR line in March 1827. However it does not mention where the accident happened or elaborate more fully on the event, so I invite those who can find such further information that is published on it to add to what I have put. There may be something on it in regional newspapers (if such were in print at time) and local history journals, it would surely have been subject of a press-reported inquest and likely the victim was buried locally.Cloptonson (talk) 18:14, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: First railway fatality (section Accidents and Incidents)