Talk:Lolicon/Archive 10

message: The image is offensive for people who are trying to do research, I would like to see it removed. --saikano 17:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. This has been covered many, many times before. Please read through the archives, as the argument "I find it offensive" has not been found to hold water before.  Succinctly put, Wikipedia is not censored, and the image is on topic and relevant. --Eyrian 18:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, this argument has been found applicable before, although it has never (IMO) been found to "hold water". Usually with regards to whatever offends the mainstream wikipedians' idea of propriety with regards to the nude human body and its (mis-/)uses. I'd support either a ranking system (with preferences to set for it), indirection of all potentially offensive material, or consistent inclusion of any image that adds to an article regardless of what any and/or all WPedians feel about its censorability (word?). Zuiram 06:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Hahaha! Good one! That page is full of images from Loli Hentai Games that aren't even available in english. It' s just a collection of "stolen" images, so unless the owner of that page draws a picture HIMSELF, you cant use any of those images, since they are copyrighted (copyright holders are their respective studios). --Tsaryu @ 14:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Not the damn image controversy yet again!! go read the 9 or so archives of this talk page!!!! It's been talked, deleted, reverted, etc to death.  Leave it alone already!! 204.13.78.146 20:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It probably doesn't look japanese enough. I personally think it's ugly, too. But at least it's somewhat representative and not a fair use image only. --Tsaryu @ 10:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Not Japanese enough" != "Offensive". People show up saying it's offensive quite often, presumably meaning they dislike it for moral reasons, but no one ever explains how a swimsuit-clad girl is being indecent. --tjstrf talk 10:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, now I see. But I dont understand it either, now that the displayed character isnt even partially nude or something. The only worries I had about the image was that it was clearly drawn by a baka gaijin. Heh. --Tsaryu @ 15:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the image looks more like a non japanese animation artest druw that UGLY image. lolicon is JAPANESE ANIME W/ THE UNDERAGED CHARATERS IN etcchi's & hentai's. KEYWORD:Japanese, not: american, american's CANNOT mimic anime at all. Its aginst the "RULE OF ANIME" & WE CANNOT DRAW WORTH S**** NOR MAKE THE COMPLEX STORY LINES IN ANIME. so technically it is not even lolicon.--saikano 18:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please remain civil. And that has nothing to do with your original complaint that the image was "offensive" anyway. We use the image because it is available to us free of copyright concerns. --tjstrf talk 19:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmm..I've seen many better examples of lolicon on 4chan (not purposefully, mind you)..however, they're obviously all of ambiguous copyright status. The image on the page now just doesn't seem right (or representative of the subject at whole). -Wooty Woot? contribs 02:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove the Image 

message: While Lolicon is on the PAW watchlist, it's not even mentioned in their loooong resources list nor has it been discussed on their talk page in the last 11+ months. The fact that Lolicon is on their watchlist doesn't mean it deserves a place in the header of the Lolicon article. Try to compare the relevance Anime->Lolicon, Japan->Lolicon with PAW<-(?)Lolicon. Zorndyke 04:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PAW 

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 23:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh? This article doesn't use . --tjstrf talk 18:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wondered the same... --Tsaryu @ 18:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

text: They were linked together by this post.  Sorry for not being specific enough in my first post here.    — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 08:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:Linkimage}} 

message: Someone had just put up a new image... better but not excellent, and possibly still doesn't solve the copyright problem. Anyway the caption needs to be changed. I can't think of any suitable words to caption it though... Aurora sword 15:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the image, as it has no copyright status, and the filename makes me think it was just taken from an image board. Changing the image is probably fine, just not to one that Wikipedia can't legally host. --Eyrian 15:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Caption 

message: About this, putting Di Gi Charat in here is like putting Excel Saga on hentai section, doesn't make sense at all. Just because there are cute, underage-looks like characters that doesn't mean thats lolicon. Lolicon (ロリコン rorikon?), in the Western world, is a genre of manga-style sexual artwork involving childlike female characters. The term Loli is derived from Vladimir Nabokov's book, Lolita. In Japan, Lolicon is a slang portmanteau short for Lolita complex. In Japan, it refers to an attraction to girls below the age of consent, or an individual attracted to such a person. Remember this guideline.222.124.224.176 05:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should the section be deleted altogether? The only mention of lolicon in any of those articles is in Black Matrix, a Rei look-alike with a doll that is apparently typical of lolicon. –Pomte 07:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with removal, and done. Listing all "lolicon-themed" manga is rather pointless, since every harem series ever has at least one loli character in it. And when it comes to series like Ichigo Mashimaro, that's an entire other can of worms inviting POV judgment. --tjstrf talk 07:55, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm unsure why you say "without citation".  The claim that the Edmonton man was convicted and sentenced is supported with a citation of the newspaper article about the case.  You rightly deleted the uncited bit about his being on probation for another count at the time. 67.158.77.171 03:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Please be careful

message: I know this is related to this subject, but i was a member of the notorious Lolicon-R-Us site, after it fell in late march, i was shocked that a site dedicated to loli was gone 4ever, unlike the fall of not4chan, the fall of LCRU (abriviation for Lolicon-R-Us) ment that in some parts of the world, lolicon might be illegal in some domains, Go-Daddy, the domain provider for the site closed it down b/c of this subject, cant this lolicon thing just be left alone, and treat it as a .xxx site or something, please see my post about it above. i mean if this thing becomes extinct, where should we turn...
Feel free to comment about LCRU's fall here.
Frank0115932 8:43 PM, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
:Does this relate to the article? gren グレン 03:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please talk about the article, not the subject 68.228.140.33 05:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: here i have an update! According to a hentai site this site has stoped because the creater could not find a mentor to help him on his site! BUT that will change his site will soon be back on line w/ my help! He said if i can really help he will open his site!--Bakaneko07 17:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank goodness a saviour will help some inapt site owner to bring back a totally unimportant website. I'm moved to tears. --Tsaryu @ 17:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by that? When we become one of the biggest lolicon sites in the world, dont come asking us can you join! But it will be up and running Very soon from what HE said! Hell he might even make a wiki artical on the site!--Lolcon-R-US 17:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, look, it's User:Saikano. Again. Whatever, just don't act like a fool and we'll see how long you can avoid getting yourself blocked this time. --tjstrf talk 17:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Fall Of Lolicon-R-Us 

message: Well, I think this somewhat goes back to the question "what is Lolicon?"  For most people, yes, it might mean something related to child porn.  But the word "lolicon/loli" does have a more casual, non-erotic, light meaning.  For example, a person can be a "lolicon" if he or she just like to watch anime/manga with pre-teen girls, without being sexually attracted to them.  The common theme in manga/anime (non-hentai) works: "younger sister", mostly feature a young girl and no more sexually attractive than other female characters.  Some viewers like them, or at least like to see them.  They can be lolicon, and not pedophile.
My point is, the word "lolicon" doesn't have to suggest anything hentai/erotic at all.  I think as a wikipedia, we need to present as many perspectives as possible.--Kgptzac 02:45, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's just its usage as an internet joke, not its commonly accepted meaning even online. 4channers wanting to know what it means there can lurk moar. --tjstrf talk 02:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed it may, but after reading the Chinese version of lolicon entry, I found the current English version of this entry is biased and narrow.  I think people come here wanting to know "lolicon" instead of just "lolicon manga/anime and their legal status". --Kgptzac 03:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first meaning you are listing is no different than those listed on the page already, just used as a joke rather than seriously. The second, lolis as in "the manga girls characteristic of the lolicon genre's subject matter", is just another unofficial slang usage. More importantly, article content must be verifiable from reliable sources according to Wikipedia policy. --tjstrf talk 03:23, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The word "lolicon" itself is a slang, here I am merely trying to show that the slang has another level of meaning.  I do not think "joke" accurately describes the usage I am trying to say.  For some reason, I think the Chinese version of this entry is much more relevant and focused than the English version. --Kgptzac 03:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't read Chinese, but I can navigate interwiki well enough to tell that the zh.wiki version of this page is tagged as both unsourced and POV, so I doubt it's the best example. How does it define lolicon anyway? --tjstrf talk 04:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It seems all of the few reliable sources use lolicon to refer to the genre. Your meaning appears to be a neologism, which should be avoided. People can figure out the casual meaning if they happen to come across it in a specific community. "Lolicon" is just a label here; the article could be named "Anime/manga featuring young girls" and it'd talk about the exact same things. Any possible misunderstanding is an inevitable fault of words gaining multiple meanings based on the first meaning. The connotations of pedophilia are stuck with "lolicon" either way, and I think there should be a better term for those non-attracted people you describe, in case they want to protest for their purity. With so many words for sex, there has to be a word for this like some combination of kawaii or chibi or bishōjo. –Pomte 06:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lolicon and sexuality