Talk:Evan Lysacek

message: From reading through the article, I noted several concerns that warrant delisting. 1. The lead is too short.  See Wikipedia:Lead section.  2. There are several instances of Wikipedia:NPOV#let facts speak for themselves and Wikipedia:Words to avoid.  3. The personal life section has too many small paragraphs and the last sentence in the coaching changes section could use some rewriting.  Some of the overall writing quality can be improved, such as typical journalist style of switching from subject's name to he/her and back instead of he, he, he.  4. There are a few instances where facts of questionable value are introduced.  Placement in relationship to Johnny Weir is too frequent.  Lysacek appearing on a tv show to comment on his performance after the Olympics doesn't seem noteworthy (unless perhaps some detail is to the mater is given).  I'll give other editors some time to address these concerns before delisting.User:calbear22 (talk) 01:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It would take hours for me to fix these problems and I am currently working on several other wikipedia projects.User:calbear22 (talk) 09:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article status in question

message: Evan Lysacek went to Neuqua Valley High School in Naperville, IL and went to middle school at Gregory Middle School. His history teacher over there was the one and only Tim Higgins! Go Mr.Higgins!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.142.45.244 (talk) 03:25, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. Can you give specific examples of what parts of this article's personal life section are "messy"? Without specific examples and points of what is wrong, it's hard to know exactly what to fix. :) Kolindigo (talk) 21:57, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life 

message: Is there any source for a statement that his name pronounced [ɛvʌn lyːsaːʧek]?             -- deerstop. 16:19, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if he has ever put out the IPA spelling of his name. But that seems to be a good representation of the way he pronounces his name. Do you know where there might be an IPA reference? Would that be in media guides? Kolindigo (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mmm, I think there's no chance to find it. I'm actually concerned about that "y" in  [lyːsaːʧek]. Accroding to the table [yː] means long [y] as in German Bülow and French sûr. -- deerstop. 15:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is why I just marked it as "unknown language": it isn't any East European language that I can figure, and I wonder why it isn't English anyway, since he was born in the US. kwami (talk) 16:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been bold and removed it, because "pronunciation in unknown language" is as unhelpful as it gets. If no one knows what it is, and no one knows if it's accurate, it's useless. Kolindigo (talk) 23:43, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  *sigh* So, how is his name pronounced, anyway?) [Lee-] or [Lai-]?-- deerstop. 03:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Lie. Sah. Czech.  Kolindigo (talk) 06:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: , not *? Which syllable is stressed? kwami (talk) 06:49, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: These Canadian journalists pronounce it . You wouldn't expect a Czech name to be stressed on any syllable but the first, anyway. (Although for that matter, you wouldn't expect a Czech-American to be Greek Orthodox either, so expectations aren't always fulfilled.) +Angr 08:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

text:  Thank you for an explanation. -- deerstop. 23:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounced? 

message: I have never tried to modify anything on Wikipedia and I notice that Lysacek's bio doesn't offer an "edit this page" tag.  But--- his cross is a Russian Orthodox- three-bar cross, not a Greek cross.  If you click on the 'Greek Orthodox cross' in the bio, you will see that that cross has a type of swelling at the end of all the bars of the cross.  I suspect he is therefore Russian Orthodox, not Greek Orthodox, but don't know for a fact.  To remove any confusion, it could be simply changed to 'Eastern Orthodox.'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.75.219 (talk) 05:00, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The cited reference refers to it specifically as a Greek Orthodox cross.  :) Kolindigo (talk) 13:00, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, while in one source  he does specify that he is a Greek Orthodox Christian, the source for the cross  simply says "My Orthodox cross," in response to "Things you can't live without". I'll remove the modifier "Greek" from "Greek Orthodox cross" to match the source. Feel free to replace it if I'm missing a source that is more specific regarding the cross itself. Wine Guy~Talk 19:25, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, you're right. *facepalm* That's what I get for assuming the ref was right. ;) So what that was doing reffing Greek Orthodox, I don't know. (And, without going back and checking diffs, I'd guess I was probably the one to add it, so mea culpa.) Kolindigo (talk) 22:44, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries, looks like it's all good now. Thanks to anon for pointing it out. Wine Guy~Talk 23:22, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Greek Orthodox cross

message: One of the Czech biggest newspapers MF DNES write about Lysacek :
:...loňský mistr světa, jehož otec byl Čech a prarodiče údajně pocházeli z Ostravy.
Translated:
:...world champion of the last year, whose father was Czech and grandparents reportedly came from Ostrava.
I guess, this can be used.
Lysacek is quite surely a Czech surname where it is relatively common, ranked 5962nd with 140 male holders in Czechia. It is originally written Lysáček and pronounced /ˈlisä:tʃɛk/ (there is no difference in pronunciation between Y and I in the Czech language). The word is derived from "lysý" - bald, glabrous, and features a Slavic ending -ček which means diminutive (without it, the name would be Lysák). So the name means "small bald man". Female variant of this name is "Lysáčková". Anyway, only the way how he pronounce his own name is relevant for this article. Miraceti (talk) 11:44, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech origin 

message: Hi Evan, my name is Eugene Brown (Gene), I live in Hartselle, AL, 48 years old white single male, I just want you to know that I've watched you skating & you're great!
I wondering if I can have some pics of you along your autograph on them???
If you don't for me to have them some you can email them to me which is : eugenebrown1@me.com.
Again you're great skater & I would love to be your friend too.
Truly yours,
Eugene (Gene) Brown~ Gene48 (talk) 19:34, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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message: An editor deleted material here, musing "what the fuck" it has to do with anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Evan_Lysacek&diff=prev&oldid=1197248384
I think it is obvious. It is a comment by a Russian politician on the subject of the paragraph in question, supported by an RS. 
I would suggest that, question answered, it is appropriate to restore it. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:90C5:84C7:E1DA:1A9 (talk) 21:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It has no business being in the article. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:54, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a tendency to view RS covered material that directly relates to a subject in the article to be considered as being appropriate for inclusion. Do you have a project-based rationale for your view? Of is it rather that you do not like it? --2603:7000:2101:AA00:90C5:84C7:E1DA:1A9 (talk) 00:59, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn’t directly relate to the subject. Just because Time chose to (inappropriately) quote some Russian crackpot spouting tinfoil conspiracy BS about Canada doesn’t mean we’re obligated to include it. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: As to the premise that we are ever obligated to include anything in an article - or even to write any article in the first place - that's simply not the case. And we have all manner of articles about "crackpots" and conspiracy theories that most of us would strongly disagree with. That's simply not the test at the project. Here, we have RS-supported text. With a reaction by a person who is wp-notable. That's appropriate text therefore for a wp article. Everything else I am hearing is "I don't like it." Which is a fine view. It is simply not cause for deletion at Wikipedia. I'm pinging admin User:Masem, as he is a sysop who can perhaps contribute his view on this as it appears to be a subject that is of interest to him in general. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:3DC9:7D37:978:D966 (talk) 06:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because we can source it doesn't mean we include it. We have reliable sources for Biden's shoe size... we don't include it. When you post something that is crackpot worthy but sourcable, we are going to need multiple other crackpots saying the same thing to make it subject-worthy. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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