Talk:Rapid Bus

message: How about we adopt rules as follow:
1. Name stations by Station Name followed by system i.e. Ampang LRT, Serdang Komuter, Maharajalela Monorail; except for city hubs i.e. KL Sentral, Maluri
2. Name bus routes from KL city outwards
;;a. For trunk routes, from city hub to suburban hub (Maluri-Chan Sow Lin LRT station - Serdang KTM Komuter station),
;;b. For local shuttles, from suburban hub to the residential housing estate (Taman Segar - Bandar Damai Perdana).
;;c. For inter-hub routes, either direction should be OK (Bandar Utama - IOI Mall Puchong - Putrajaya Sentral)
3. It would be good to depict all stops on trunk routes and there are only a limited number.
4. Stops for local shuttles and loops are too many to list, although effort should be taken to descibe the route passed. i.e. 634: Bangsar LRT - Bangsar Park - Bangsar Shopping Centre - Pusat Bandar Damansara etc. Same with city shuttles.
5. In general when describing landmarks:
;;a. name important building followed by (area/road name) e.g. Serdang Hospital (Jalan Kajang) - if the building is more important than the area
;;b. name important building followed by (area/road name) e.g. Ikano (Mutiara Damansara), Dewan Tunku Canselor (Universiti Malaya) - if building and area are equally important
;;c. if a bus stops at a train station, but not inside it, name the train station followed by (road name) e.g. the area 5 & 6 trunks that pass Bangsar LRT but not inside it, follow convention Bangsar LRT (Jalan Bangsar), while 634 is just Bangsar LRT
But with the exceptions:
;;d. name area/road name followed by (landmark) e.g. Jalan Kelang Lama (Shell/Honda) - if the landmark is just a convenient location identifier
6. If a bus stop is within walking distance to a train station, include it in the description with the qualifier "near" e.g. Jalan Pantai Baharu (near Kerinchi LRT)
7. Standardize road names etc. Use "Jalan" and not "Jln", "Persiaran" and not "Pers", "Taman" and not "Tmn".
8. Standardize highway and road names, as defined by other Wikipedia entries e.g. Damansara-Puchong Expressway, not LDP or Lebuhraya Damansara Puchong
9. Use tables to describe routes.
10. Names of train systems: LRT, Monorail, Komuter - not KL Monorail, KTM Komuter, LRT Station etc.
11. Consolidate all the bus routes of different areas e.g. all local shuttle routes go into one table, city shuttle routes into another, trunks into another, expresses into another. Separating them into different tables and sections according to areas is redundant as the route numbers already describe the areas they serve.
12. Maintain the general descriptions of areas as well as historical information of bus revamp and put it in another sub-section.
13. Put bus connection information inside the LRT pages itself also e.g. the buses that serve KL Sentral, Kerinchi LRT, Ampang LRT etc.
14. Consider creating a new entry for Rapid KL buses, like that of the LRT lines.
15. Bold rail connections and city hubs.
16. Indicate loop services.
219.95.135.5 12:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New rules for bus routes

message: looks like stargirl85 was right. the hub and spoke system failed. it is confusing and it makes bussing v difficult. ppl dont really care what zone the bus is.
looks like the so called "bus revamp" and all the praises sung to Rapid KL was not so much for the new management, but rather because of the refurbished and new buses paid by Prasarana.
218.208.204.233
To Stargirl85: 
Original Msg:
<I>IMHO separating the buses back into zones is not useful to readers. Users wouldn't really bother to know which Area they are in. Besides the bus numbering already does that job. At the beginning of the article, readers are briefed about this system, so there is no use repeating it.
<I>Furthermore, most people would not be interested in knowing the dates of the revamp when planning their journey. Hence I believe that putting all that "historical information" under the heading "history" is better suited.
<I>I think dividing the route information into many bits and pieces like it is now is confusing. Readers would think that there are six different systems in place, when in fact Rapid KL launched the routes according to Areas out of convenience.
<I>Please reconsider the case for grouping all the bus routes into types again. Thanks.
Stargirl85 15:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zones/Dezones? 

message: I think we got some of our KL Sentra/Tun Sambanthans wrong. If am sure that the 100s run from KL Sentral.
And I have observed that Es and Ts run from KL Sentral, while the 5xx and 6xx run from Tun Sambanthan. But this I am not absolutely sure. I will try to confirm ASAP, but anyone in the hood who can check it out?
I suggest that buses in Sentral itself be noted as KL Sentral. While the others at Jalan Tun Sambanthan (KL Sentral).
I think one more thing we all can work on is to write a guide on the main transport hubs and interchanges. Like Medan Pasar/Masjid Jamek, KL Sentral/Brickfields etc, although I am not sure if this is not allowed by Wikipedia (no original content). Using these hubs can be quite confusing as there are many bus stops in these hubs and sometimes using the main ones may not be the best.
For example, there's the Brickfields Sri Kota bus stop which in some cases is better to change at, than going all the way to Sentral and having to cross the 'pasar malam' to get to your connection. Or there's Jamek/Medan Pasar, and it can be confusing to decide which exit to take at the underground station, and many people also don't realize that Masjid Jamek and Medan Pasar are very close together. Maybe something like a map?
Stargirl85 17:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  KL Sentral/major Hubs

message: I've added the connecting routes for city shuttle routes (for now its city shuttle first).. Do you think this is a wise idea to allow ppl to know what it connects from and to? Please comments. THank you... Zack2007 17:04, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connecting routes 

message: Just wondering, does any Rapid KL bus go to Hentian Duta bus terminal??Zack2007 15:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hentian Duta 

message: What is the gray coded buses for? Does it mean that they are the routes planned in the future? According to it, there is no local buses operated in Zone Six as for now. Is this true??? --Zack2007 00:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gray coded buses? 

message: :Updated from Future Adjustments
News is out that the bus route numbers would be given a new format: City Shuttles, Trunk Lines and Local Shuttles will be prefixed by the letters B (for Bandar), U (for Utama) and T (for Tempatan) respectively effective 21 April 2007. Also, new routes and adjustments to existing ones would be made at the same date. E.g.:
 New routes include U44 from Bandar Permaisuri, U45 from Bandar Tun Razak, U46 from Desa Baiduri and U47 from Taman Segar that will all reach the destination of Bukit Bintang.T407 from Taman Bukit Segar Jaya to Taman Segar and T405 from Taman Cuepacs to LRT Ban-dar Tasik Selatan will remain the same. (Source: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2007/4/13/central/17414571&sec=central)
Update: Since the last update I've known that more than just new routes and number reformatting. Some routes will be removed beginning 21 April! Besides, the route types will have new official names: City Shuttle becomes City Bus, Trunk Line is Trunk Bus and Local Shuttle is Local Bus. Furthermore, it is apparent that Rapid KL will be less strictly adherent to the hub and spoke system which it adopted last year, i.e. even City Shuttles will not necessarily have a Hub as a route end, instead it may have an Interchange. E.g. B110 stretches from Mid Valley to Bukit Bintang via Bangkok Bank. PLEASE visit http://www.rapidkl.com.my to refer to the new routes and make prompt adjustments to the contents of this article. Another good reference is http://www.nst.com.my/NST/Article/vArt?did=20070418072154
Fanatix 15:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvements in Bus Service (Urgent) 

message: I think Jalan Chow Kit is a new hub. Probably replacing Titiwangsa on some routes. eg: U7 bus now begins/ends at Chow Kit not at Titiwangsa anymore as stated in the article. Not sure about other routes though. kawaputratok2me 17:02, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New hub? 

message: It's time we separate the bus routes lists into a separate article. The routes need to be in a list article. If no one objects by 27 of October, I will move it to List of RapidKL bus routes. --Zack2007 03:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it shouldn't be in a new article. It could be categorized under speedy deletion as it does not provide any useful information. My opinion,  Keep Jannisri 07:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia is not a directory, WP:NOT#DIRECTORY. Jannisri 14:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please tell the other list of routes (there are hundreds like that).. --Zack2007 14:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  It does provide a useful information as the main website is inadequate. besides, there are many lists of bus routes in other articles in wikipedia as well, such as List of bus routes in Queens, Bus routes in Singapore, List of bus routes in Brooklyn. These articles do not mix the general information about the services and the bus routes, while RapidKL buses does, making the article longer to load for those who only need to learn about the service, not to know which routes are there. So my vote is still Separate. --Zack2007 09:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New page for bus routes 

message: Just to be clear, the current list of RapidKL bus routes doesn't seem to provide as much information (besides the origin and their destination) as the previous one accessible here. For example, try finding which bus leads you to Bdr Mahkota Cheras using the current one first, and then the older one to know what I mean. I support Zack2007 suggestion to move it to a separate page and in the meantime, just use the link I provided above to move around Klang Valley more efficiently. My.toa.badz (talk) 17:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info on the RapidKL bus routes inadequate 

message: On 1 Sept 2009, day passes will be abolished. Refer: http://www.rapidkl.com.my/news/1-latest-news/135-newfares 60.48.228.42 (talk) 09:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New fare structure