Talk:Guarana

message: Sad no one put this is there before. It's not just normal caffeine. Guaranine (natural caffeine in guarana seeds)compared to other forms of artificially induced caffeines is proven to have a 2 and a half times stronger effect on the human body (250%) when in the same amounts. Obviously meaning, for someone drinking something with guaranine, another person would have to drink 250% of artificial caffeine just to keep up. 
Needless to say. Drink Bawls. >_<
:Could you provide a citation for that?  I'll mark that part of the article "disputed" for now. Chuck 20:44, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With no source cited, and being unable to find a source for this claim myself, I'm deleting it.  Chuck 23:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that this claim of anonymous has some semblence of truth, but ultimately it's incorrect. The guarana seeds have more than twice the caffeine content of coffee beans, but other than that caffeine is caffeine, and most drinks have their guarana levels set to put a certain amount of caffeine into the drink to give the right level of kick, so it's largely moot that the raw feedstuff is twice as strong.WolfKeeper 21:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm new to this editing thing with wikipedia, but I think a bit of anecdotal data should be added to the discussion, not the article, for I"m not qualified to do the scientific research portion.  I'm a college graduate currently applying to medical school, so I'm not a teenage genius, but I deal with ADD every day.  I see it as a gift that allows me to take in much more than others.  I can say definitively having tried a few different brands of energy drink with Guarana that the affect it has on my ability to focus is unbelievable.  Now I know it's chemically identical to caffeine, but perhaps where the research may want to look lies in complementary properties and chemical cofactors involved that have not been sufficiently studied.  This stuff works wonders on the mind for me.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.197.115.2 (talk) 20:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effects 

message: Please give a reference to this statement:
<<  and a unique combination of slow-release caffeine, theophylline and theobromine collectively referred to as guaranine. >>
Jclerman 01:35, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Scroll up to see the structural formula. Jclerman 02:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since ChemId gives this  where guaranine is a synonym of caffeine it's warranted to edit that sentence in the article. Jclerman 01:35, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  guaranine is . . . ? 

message: Dr. Duke's
Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases
 
Chemicals in: Paullinia cupana KUNTH ex H.B.K. (Sapindaceae) -- Guarana
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Chemicals (alpha order, concentration given*)
 ADENINE Seed: DUKE1992A 
 ASH Seed 14,200 ppm; DUKE1992A 
 CAFFEINE Seed 25,000 - 76,000 ppm DUKE1992A 
 CATECHUTANNIC-ACID Seed: DUKE1992A 
 CHOLINE Seed: DUKE1992A 
 D-CATECHIN Seed: DUKE1992A 
 FAT Seed 30,000 ppm; DUKE1992A 
 GUANINE Seed: DUKE1992A 
 GUARANINE Seed: DUKE1992A 
 HYPOXANTHINE Seed: DUKE1992A 
 MUCILAGE Seed: DUKE1992A 
 PROTEIN Seed 98,600 ppm; DUKE1992A 
 RESIN Seed 70,000 ppm; DUKE1992A 
 SAPONIN Seed: DUKE1992A 
 STARCH Seed 50,000 - 60,000 ppm DUKE1992A 
 TANNIN Seed 85,000 - 120,000 ppm DUKE1992A 
 THEOBROMINE Seed 330 ppm; DUKE1992A 
 THEOPHYLLINE Seed 570 ppm; DUKE1992A 
 TIMBONINE Seed: DUKE1992A 
 XANTHINE Seed: DUKE1992A 
 (*) ppm = parts per million
     tr = trace
=== Guaranine has always been a Mixture ===
::Not for the ChemId Plus and ACS (CAS numbers) databases. Scroll here up to see the structural formula and also in the chemical databases look for the names and synonyms. Enter guaranine in its search box and read the findings, the formulas, the code numbers, the references, etc. Similarly, you'll also find that a synonym of caffeine is mateine. There is no doubt since the structural formulas are identical. Jclerman 03:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See also Raintree Tropical Plant Dabase: Guaraná Jclerman 04:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 
Sorry, the NLM issues dynamic pages that expire after a short time.
The following is a better approach that should be valid always.
The links below take you to the URLs where to initiate searches. 
Just enter guaranine or any other drug name in the search boxes.
*PubChem
*ChemIDplus Lite
*ChemIDplus Advanced
*TOXNET Jclerman 04:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  more on composition, now from Dr.Duke's db 

message: ::Not for the ChemId Plus and ACS (CAS numbers) databases. Scroll here up to see the structural formula and also in the chemical databases look for the names and synonyms. Enter guaranine in its search box and read the findings, the formulas, the code numbers, the references, etc. Similarly, you'll also find that a synonym of caffeine is mateine. There is no doubt since the structural formulas are identical. Jclerman 03:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See also Raintree Tropical Plant Dabase: Guaraná Jclerman 04:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 
Sorry, the NLM issues dynamic pages that expire after a short time.
The following is a better approach that should be valid always.
The links below take you to the URLs where to initiate searches. 
Just enter guaranine or any other drug name in the search boxes.
*PubChem
*ChemIDplus Lite
*ChemIDplus Advanced
*TOXNET Jclerman 04:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guaranine has always been a Mixture 

message: Deja vu: The abstract herewith referenced DOES NOT MATCH THE STATEMENT GIVEN: 
<< Also, guarana seed extract has a slower absorbsion rate than other sources of caffeine. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9657057&itool=iconabstr&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_Abstract%20slow%20absorption%20rate >>
Please, provide an appropriate citation matching the intended edit or abstain from editing in unsourced info.
Jclerman 04:20, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A deja vu reference to an abstract that does not match the statements. Same as seen many times in the recent past in the guarana and guaranine articles. Now also similar statements were also introduced in one of the energy drinks.Jclerman 05:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Composition 

message: They are gradually accumulating; there's 24 now. Anyone else think this is getting a bit out-of-hand? Is it really necessary? - MPF 01:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest another article about the drinks, leaving a brief reference in this article about the plant. Jclerman 02:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. I haven't seen a bottle. Which one lists the correct info, the bottle or the website? Jclerman 06:39, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Took Gaviidae's advice and made the list into an actual list towards the bottom of the article. Also added Bawls to the list, because the debate of whether or not it contains the flavour or extract is silly. Both sources say it is natural, and the only way to get natural guarana flavour is to use the extract. La Bicyclette 00:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Doesn't the FDA require ONLY that natural refers to the original substance not being synthetic? See  Jclerman 02:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, natural means not synthetic. The FDA is pretty worthless as a regulatory body, and I certainly wouldn't trust anything that says "natural" on it. For example, vitamin water is less than 1% juice, and yet Glaceau is allowed to call it "all natural", when clearly it is just a concoction of chemicals dissolved in water. Not to say that it isn't quite tasty, though. The point is that the FDA and their ideas of what is "natural" is meaningless here. The list of guarana drinks is also way out of hand. There are literally thousands of products that contain guarana, and wikipedia should not be a place to advertise them all. Fuzzform 19:49, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of brand-name drinks containing Guarana

message: I changed many of the sources to reference-style footnotes, but dunno if it's still right.  Deleted one paragraph under diet because it said "another study in 1997" which actually was the same study as referenced earlier, and added info from another link which didn't name the study, only mentioned it.  Added one reference of my own; tried to find as many PubMed numbers as I could-- nutrition journals don't seem to be listed.  Could someone check on all this? 
Also, should wikipedia be giving advice, even if (or especially if) it comes from some website (example "drugs.com recommends")...? Gaviidae 16:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: The title is "Guarana" yet the spelling "guaraná" is used prominently throughout the article. Should the title be changed to reflect that, which I'm assuming is the proper spelling? (messedrocker • talk) 09:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm of the opinion that it should be simply guarana. This is an english article and accents aren't used in English.WolfKeeper 17:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Dictionary.com lists only guarana.. Unless somebody has an English dictionary that lists it with the diacritic we need to change it back.WolfKeeper 18:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page title 

message: Ok,so Guarana is more comsumed in Brazil than most cola drinks.
you know why,because Guarana has less sugar,actual more nutrition
and the Diet versions of them has the same taste as the originals.
Diet cola drinks have a funny aftertaste,so people choose Guarana
Diet instead of Cola Diet.Guarana e muito melhor do que coca-cola
eu sei porque eu sou brasileira!!
*Ok, and that helps the page, how?  --75.137.254.60 (talk) 01:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guarana vs. Cola 

message: I'm not sure why this subject is being avoided(?) here, but there is both evidence and experience
that guarana is a sexual stimulant, at least for males.  Herbal Viagra if you will.  I started looking
stuff up on it AFTER experiencing this, so it wasn't a placebo effect.
Jacobus7 00:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anecdotal Aphrodisiac 

message: Ok guys, I placed this article on hold waiting some fixes. 
;Headlines
Per WP:HEAD:
*External resources should be renamed to External links or Further reading and moved to bottom.
;References
Please try to use  and  templates when using references.
*Per WP:CITE, book sources should contain: the name of the author, the title of the book or article, the date of publication, and page numbers. Other sources needs |accessdate= parameter or "Retrieved on 2007-09-14."
These sources should be WP:FN:
:*i.e. generally regarded as safe.[5]
:*Guarana contains different amounts of caffeine, theobromine, theophylline, and other alkaloids, compared to coffee, tea, mate, or cocoa. Cf Duke's Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases [6].
:*Chemicals in: Paullinia cupana[7]
:*Duke1992a: Duke, James A. 1992. Handbook of phytochemical constituents of GRAS herbs and other economic plants. Boca Raton, FL. CRC Press.
The currents #4, #8, #11 and #16 footnotes sources should use  template or full reference about title, author, date, publisher and accessdate if possible.
If fixed, I can probably take a last look at it. Carlosguitar 08:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All of those problems have been fixed. MessedRocker (talk) 01:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the edits, this article is almost GA, but I need to know if Guaranine and Caffeine is really same thing, if not we need a clarification about it. Carlosguitar 10:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I quote from the article, "Guaranine, theine, and mateine are all official synonyms for caffeine." That state is complete with a reference to a database ran by the University of Wisconsin-Madison. MessedRocker (talk) 11:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA review 

message: Guarana is appearing in more and more British products, firstly in competitors to Red Bull as an alternative or accompaniment to Taurine, and also in water (Volvic Revive) and menthol gum (Airwaves Active). It is being marketed as a "Pick-Me-Up" additive - I came to this article to inquire about what it is and why it is suggested to be a Caffeine/Taurine/Hangover Cure/Natural Alternative? 
Can someone who knows clarify this use of it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.184.242 (talk) 23:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guarana in Britain 

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message: at least one commercial source, a ~20 second slot for "5-hour energy" connotes guarana negatively;  an announcer discussing alternative stimulant drug packages says "tsk tsk" in regards to guarana consumption.
there seems to be a complete lack of evidence suggesting "tsk tsk" as being an appropriate assessment of/response to guarana consumption.
however, discussion of this false controversy is probably necessary here to clear up the commercial propaganda, as guarana seems to have potentially healthful properties if anything.
--Harlequence 08:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  probably-false controversy 

message: Is this section even necessary? It's just a list of energy drinks; just about everything has guarana in it nowadays. So either (preferably, to me) just get rid of the section or describe just in general the drinks in which guarana is found - a single, simple sentence would suffice - "Guarana is found in almost all "energy drinks" as well as many nutritional beverages and supplements," or have a comprehensive list and link to it, say, page would be called "List of soft drinks containing guarana" or something. The former would be easy, the latter hard; I don't feel that I should just delete the whole section because it seems unnecessary and cluttering to me. Perhaps if a few people express agreement and nobody objects, or better yet, someone more "bold" can do it. I'm just bringing it to attention because this article could potentially be a feature and that section is just an eyesore. Well, that's my opinion, anyway. Mr0t1633 (talk) 17:46, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really not... it's unnecessarily detailed and entirely unreferenced (and I agree it's an eyesore too). I just removed the entire thing without prejudice. – ClockworkSoul 16:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Drinks containing guarana" section 

message: I am looking for information on the 
What we need is not just a series of brands, it is also an article explaining the types of trade guarana is involved in. Energy drinks use a conventional hybrid type of guarana, traditional guarana is exported in powder to Europe and possibly the Sates, and preserves biodiversity. An article explaining the characteristics of those two supply chains could be useful.  Does anyone know about the dates of first comercial development of guarana ?
Pwjohnson (talk) 12:25, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes it is necessary ! 

message: http://www.livestrong.com/article/258876-what-is-the-guarana-effect-on-the-heart/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.133.143 (talk) 23:27, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  raises blood pressure 

message: This article states that Guarana seeds contain almost 5% caffeine and are used to make a tisane. 
The tisane article  defines Tisane as a non-caffinated drink. This seems to be a contradiction. 
And I don't think anybody would appreciate word games of saying the Guarana contains guaranine, not caffeine.
ArtKocsis (talk) 07:33, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: So follow the best available sources, cite them, and just fix it.LeadSongDog come howl! 12:53, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Contradiction 

message: "The colour contrast when the fruit has been split open has been likened to eyeballs; this has formed the basis of a myth." is pretty useless without saying anything about the myth. Jimp 08:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A myth 

message: I thought I would share.
*
 Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review article on caffeine 

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message: The article states «Guaraná (/ɡwəˈrɑːnə/», implying that the prefered / recommended English spelling should contain the accent mark, and yet that the prefered / recommended English pronounciation should be paroxytonic (stressed on the penultimate, here 2nd, syllable). That’s totally absurd: Insert what amounts to a meaningless squiggle in an English word as a token of rank exoticism, and then disregard its role in the source language (accent marks are stress marks, fancy that!) to prescribe an assimilated English pronounciation that upends the original’s.
It should be either 
* left unassimilated, maybe with additional info on prevalent English language use, if relevant, or 
* spelled "guarana" in English and prononced indeed /ɡwəˈrɑːnə/, or 
* attempted an English assimilation of the original oxytonic stress, /ɡwərəˈnɑː/, with a novel spelling like "guaranah".
Tuvalkin (talk) 07:46, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling and pronounciation 

message: Should the page be moved with the 'á' seems like most of the article itself uses it with the acute WP:COMMONNAME may apply. Alexeyevitch(talk) 11:07, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  'á' with acute 

message: Are guarana syrups flavored with the fruit, the arils, or from the seed of the guarana plant? Same question about guarana flavoring. Most of the article focuses on the seeds and the caffeine, but doesn't mention what the uses for the fruit and arils are. — al-Shimoni (talk) 22:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guarana syrup - seed or fruit?