Talk:Savage Love

message: There has been considerable controversy at the two articles Saddleback Church and Rick Warren about this term, and none of these articles made any mention of the term or its inception before I added the term today to both articles in the See also sections. In case this past controversy now flares up, I'd like editors of this article also to keep an eye on it or participate in any consensus-making process on the issue of whether or not a tenable case can be presented for completely suppressing the existence of this term from those two articles. __meco (talk) 15:18, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerned articles not mentioning ''saddlebacking'' 

message: ;Santorum (sexual neologism)
This article has recently been expanded with additional sources and referencing improvements. There is also some ongoing discussion about that, at the article's talk page. If you are interested, please have a look at Santorum (sexual neologism) and the associated talk page discussion at Talk:Santorum (sexual neologism). Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 20:51, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Santorum (sexual neologism) 

message: I'm glad you put the section about how Dan Savage is biphobic in there but if you have ever read what Dan Savage has said about bisexuals in his "advice column" you can see how he is biphobic and does practice bisexual erasure.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.70.175 (talk) 11:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biphobia 

message: The article currently states the column appears weekly in several dozen newspapers, mainly free newspapers in the US and Canada, but also newspapers in Europe and Asia. Can somebody clarify which papers carry this column, especially outside the US? I've never heard of it, and the article implies it has a completely US perspective and readership. --Ef80 (talk) 15:18, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is this published? 

message: User:Binksternet added a  to the Pegging section on December 26, 2012, saying it needed a source other that Savage himself and citing WP:SECONDARY. Then followed a string of reversions by Binksternet and a few other people. I came here now and added a reference to the column in question. I see the Policy on WP:SECONDARY for Primary Sources allows primary sources to be used, so long as there is not analysis based on them. I think that column is a valid reference, and besides, where are you going to find someone reporting on the percentages of the votes? Savage was the only one with access to them.
Thoughts? —Ignatzmicetalkcontribs 21:34, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the whole section. Needs secondary source. If there isn't one, then it doesn't belong in the article. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 18:23, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What kind of secondary source are you *expecting*? Tamtrible (talk) 15:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: One that exists. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 17:07, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegging_%28sexual_practice%29  It was the *first* thing that came up when I googled "pegging"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamtrible (talk • contribs) 23:06, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

text:  and, for the campsite rule, will this do? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Campsite%20rule  Tamtrible (talk) 23:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't cite Wikipedia as a source in a Wikipedia article. None of the sources on that page are reliable. Urban Dictionary is likewise not reliable. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 12:36, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You're the one who said "one that exists".  If those don't meet your criteria, then *please* indicate what *would* meet your criteria, for the existence and/or significance of a *slang term*?Tamtrible (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

text: I guess... my point of confusion is, what do you want citation for?  That Dan originated the term?  That the term is used?  That the practice exists?  For the first, I think the relevant column is more than adequate citation.  For the second, I'd think that Urban Dictionary would suffice, as presumably it wouldn't have an entry if people didn't use the term.  I'm mostly trying to get clarification here as to exactly *what* is being requested...  Tamtrible (talk) 19:53, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You're almost there!  The point remains that UD cannot be used though; see my link above to WP:RS. Tangent to this: reliable sources (in quantity) are generally used to prove notability. If something is not notable enough to be covered by sources, then it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. DP76764 (Talk) 20:47, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: "Pegging" citation

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