Talk:Parochial school

message: I would like to see some information on Catholic Elementary Education so I inserted a section on it and some advantages of the Catholic School for Elementary Education
I'd like to see some authority for
:"....with most of the public against the idea. Also a significant part of the population is against faith based schools being legal at all, citing potential damages to a multicultural society as their main reason."
Avalon 21:42, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I'd like to see some authority for "used to distinguish a school operated by a Catholic church from one operated by a Protestant church". Wl219 00:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is none. In Milwaukee we have both Catholic and Lutheran systems, and both are referred to as "parochial schools." If folks don't object, I'm gonna delete that passage soon.--Orange Mike 20:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The next sentence seems to completely contradict this point anyway, saying that all denominations use the term "parochial schools". Walton monarchist89 12:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks, Arbiter! --Orange Mike 19:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  US usage 

message: The US and UK definitions should receive the same treatment, and be listed in alphabetical order, as should all subsequent country-based discussions in this article. I'll make that change.
The term 'parochial school' is completely unknown in the UK.  The term 'faith school' is now in the Oxford English Dictionary as of UK origin.  The new UK faith schools are nothing to do with parishes.  I suggest that faith school is a broader term and it would be more appropriate to redirect parochial school to faith school, and explain the differences.Chemical Engineer 17:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This comes as a relief, actually. I was having extreme problems trying to distinguish (research) schools run by dioceses, those run by the parish, and those run by an order. While it appears that we are stuck with these longer, awkward strings of words, at least, now, they are no longer ambiguous within Wikipedia. Nor are we "standardizing" to some arbitrary nomenclature which won't be understood outside a certain region. Student7 18:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I can appreciate that this seems reasonable to you. My problem is that it tends to separate similar articles based on a superficial linguistic colloquialism. Maybe not as bad as separating articles on "lifts" and "elevators," but you get my drift! My suggestion is to take the most common definition and use it, explaining in the lead that either faith schools or parochial schools are both covered in the article. Having them in the same article is going to be illuminating for the "other" persuasion. I know all about parochial schools. Why would I want to know more? I would be interested in "faith schools" but I'm not about to exit the current article just to find out! Student7 12:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a long winded explanation of why we should not change the dictionary meaning of parochial. Lost is when trying to save anything because of a website way above this section that was since put on the blacklist! It would not let me add anything until I cleared up that problem. So I lost my train of thought. Anyway, I changed the front per the dictionary. Countries with different names should probably have their own article. For just sharing a two bit intro it's hardly worth it. Student7 (talk) 22:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Lift' and 'elevator' are different names for the same thing, but 'faith school' and 'parochial school' are not the same. The definition of a parochial school given in the lead, which I assume is the common US usage, doesn't correspond at all well to the UK usage of 'faith school' since (1) nearly all state schools, not just faith schools, engage in religious education; (2) Faith schools are typically not run by parishes; (3) Faith schools are typically neither grammar nor high schools. Parochial schools are a type of faith school, so we should either have 'faith school' as the primary article or have separate articles. --Duncan Keith (talk) 13:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This may not be germane to the discussion, but the references I find to "faith schools" in the UK, all refer to secondary or primary schools. I probably misunderstood what was being said. Student7 (talk) 20:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess this another difference in terminology! In England, grammar and high schools are types of secondary schools. Grammar schools are typically selective. 'High school' is not widely used, and where it is used it means different things. FWIW faith schools comprise about 36% of primary state schools and 17% of secondary state schools. Anyway, since there seems to be consensus I'll go ahead and move the UK stuff to Faith school. --Duncan Keith (talk) 23:06, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Organization

message: The allegations that Peter Vardy has introduced creationism into the curriculum at his schools have been shown to be false: For example: http://education.guardian.co.uk/egweekly/story/0,,1963511,00.html
As such I am removing the section paragraph regarding Peter Vardy and Creationalism on the basis that the it is irrelevant -  the actions of an individual science teacher does not constitute standard practice in the United Kingdom. --129.67.116.18 16:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Peter Vardy

message: I would like to consider adding a section just for Catholic elementary education and its benefits.
The elementary education is important because it is the first stepping stone in the real experiences of education. The Catholic education starts the students in the right direction for high school and even college, making it a lifelong journey of learning. It provides academic excellence along with sharing in christian values by adding religion or theology classes to its curriculum. 
The catholic elementary school education has many advantages. The Catholic School education has the technology to enhance the student’s minds in academics. The grade levels are not separated between grammar and middle school. This eliminates the problems that one may run into while in the process of transferring to a different school. They would be able to stay in a familiar environment to continue their education. The curriculum of the Catholic education is not just basic but it gives you more, curriculum plus.
In attending the Catholic school for elementary education one will be able to participate in various educational activities, programs, and extracurricular activities. The many different activities of the Catholic schools are great experiences. These activities have huge impacts on the lives of the students attending the Catholic School system for the Elementary Education.   Catholic school elementary education allows students to make lifelong friendships while in the process of gaining lifelong academic success.--Lady Aries (talk) 03:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: All too true. However, this is not a WP:SOAPBOX, nor a blog. We can only put in valuable new information that is supported by WP:RELY WP:FOOTnotes. Our own opinions are, alas, valueless and unusable here. Sorry. (And thanks for checking first). Student7 (talk) 12:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advantages of Catholic Elementary School Education 

message: The article Church school is just a stub and should probably be merged and redirected here, as the plural church schools already is. - Fayenatic (talk) 12:46, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That may be beneficial; however, I'd like to point out that not all church schools are religious.  Further, not all church schools are parochial; that is, some church schools instruct on multinational and worldwide concerns.  For this reason, it may be WP:POV to say that all church schools are parochial or have an inherent parochialism.  If the two articles are conflated, I think it would be important to maintain the distinction between parochial schools and church schools in general.  ElderHap (talk) 17:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, the article should make these distinctions and varieties clear. I also think it should then be moved to church school. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:56, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I hate to say it, but wouldn't it (then) make more sense, to merge this article under "church school" and make the additional distinction that it is religious? As opposed to putting church school in here and making the distinction that it may not be religious although part of "parochial school" where people would expect a school to be religious? Just a thought on organization. Would hate to do anything and have a later group of editors rethink it and move it back!  :)   Student7 (talk) 19:00, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't hate to say it.  That is, don't hate to make a suggestion.  Parochial schools are religious, and the church buildings serve as school buildings.  It makes sense to identify parochial schools as a subgroup of church schools. Some (non-parochial) church schools hold a very broad geographic and societal scope in their educational concerns rather than focusing only on local matters.  ElderHap (talk) 20:18, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: there's not much content at Church school worth merging, nor should there be--the usual term is "parochial school". Rjensen (talk) 23:43, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "the usual term" where? In the UL, "church school" is the usual term; "parochial school" would be a technical or historical name, not the common name. - Fayenatic (talk) 13:19, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Although I thought that was an acceptable bold move, and therefore marked this discussion as closed, user:ElderHap reverted it on 9 August 2010. I have therefore reopened this discussion as unresolved. - Fayenatic (talk) 13:47, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest merge with Church school 

message: User:Macrakis has proposed that Parochial School be merged into Christian School.  A discussion has been started at that page's Talk page here.
Contributors to the discussion will be well served to familiarize themselves with the prior discussion above. Yours, Wikiuser100 (talk) 17:28, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: New merge proposal of February 4, 2019

message: Merriam Webster defines "parochial school" as "a private school maintained by a religious body usually for elementary and secondary instruction" (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parochial%20school). My familiarity with the term comes from politically themed articles and government policies, with its use synonymous with "faith-based school." There are a lot of unverified claims throughout the article. Per WP:N, we shouldn't give too much weight to one religion, or branch of one religion. PCHS-NJROTC (Messages)Have a blessed day. 18:27, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much emphasis on Catholicism