Talk:Maurizio Giuliano

message: Anyone would be welcome to improve the UN-related section.--CCorward (talk) 16:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

message: (this short essay by Wikid77 was placed at top, as I think it contains not only compelling arguments for this case, but also some serious thoughts about Wikipedia).--CCorward (talk) 00:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikid77, thanks a lot !  Actually as I write this, I just had information that Maurizio Giuliano who was now working in Chad until now, was evacuated from there a few days ago amidst the war, and is currently in Cameroon talking to the world media about the conflict in Chad.  So in light of what you say above, I do think that his UN status might be notable (although I earlier stated that I was neutral on this), assuming for example in this case - as I presume - that we now see his declarations in the media.  Cheers, --CCorward (talk) 12:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

text: And now, also his declarations in The Washington Post about a tragedy that affected thousands of refugees in Africa, hmmm... --CCorward (talk) 00:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability guidelines rejecting UN officials

message: Thanks for your message on my talk page. I am of course always ready to talk, that's what talk pages are for. Which edit exactly do you consider "excessive"? Wikipedia has an important policy, Wikipedia:Verifiability, and I always try to implement this policy as strongly as I can. I even think I am not strong and bold enough on this. Please have a look at this WikiEN-l insist on sources by Jimmy Wales. Cheers. --Edcolins 16:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's not add any link to Amazon then. The ISBN is sufficient (and better). For the image copyright question, see Wikipedia:Image use policy. --Edcolins 16:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your message on my talk page re. discussion on verifiability etc. 

message: 30-Jan-2008: Thank you for saving "Maurizio Giuliano" and yes, I have updated your copy to help find sources.  A Guiness book would confirm 3 items: birthdate, nationality, and travel record. I honestly believe he is notable, with several critical Africa assignments, and I worried that he was overlooked because he was young, but Vincent van Gogh died in his 30s and even Heath Ledger was only 27.  His books + world record would satisfy "notability" for Wikipedia. I think you have done a valuable thing, and I will help in expanding the article more when I get sources, perhaps from Italian websites. Thanks again. -Wikid77 (talk) 13:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Saving Maurizio Giuliano

message: 12-Feb-2008: I have contacted the deletion admin User:Jerry to see if he has any other restrictions before restoring:
: "Hello, Jerry. User:Wikid77 here. I see that you were assigned to delete the article "Maurizio Giuliano" (in January), and I think, along with User:CCorward, that we are ready re-create that article with added sources to verify notability.  Do you sense any other restrictions, or can we just copy the updated version into the empty article "Maurizio Giuliano"? I will check back here after a while. Thanks."
: (See User_talk:Jerry.)
You have stated a very good point about public UN officials, who are repeatedly mentioned in the media, as not being notable when so many TV child stars are. Rejecting articles about such UN officials seems to be a "double standard" because those UN officials are certainly identified in those media news reports. Beyond the case of Maurizio Giuliano, UN notability needs to be discussed outside this talk page. -Wikid77 (talk) 00:31, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Asked restrictions if restoring article of Maurizio Giuliano

message: What do you mean by: "The book contained short commentaries (blurbs) about its importance, written inter alia by Mexican Secretary of Foreign Affairs Jorge Castañeda, scholar and former US diplomat Wayne Smith, Pulitzer-awarded journalist Andrés Oppenheimer, and Chilean novelist and former diplomat Jorge Edwards."? Which book did contain which commentaries about the importance of what?.. Sorry I find this a bit confusing. Who did say that? (see Wikipedia:Attribution). --Edcolins (talk) 21:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Ed, fair question, I guess my wording was not clear.  What I meant is that the book contains that kind of short comments called blurbs like we see in many books (not sure if there is a more technical name for them), four of them on the back cover I think, and the rest in the first pages of the book, authored by several persons including the four mentioned.  So, the source of this information is the book itself.  This refers to the book El Caso CEA, about that book.  However I am removing the bit "about its importance" as this may be either lopsided or redundant.  Hope this clarifies, and thanks again for your perfectionism. --CCorward (talk) 21:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I understand now. These comments are on the back cover of the book and I have seen them on Amazon. My opinion: these so-called "blurbs" are advertisement-like, primary source material (probably inserted by the publisher), and should not be inserted in the article (please see Wikipedia:Verifiability). I have removed the sentence. --Edcolins (talk) 22:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't fully agree.  I think my previous wording in the article may have been lopsided, yes.  But now it is a factual statement about the book, e.g. "the book has a foreword by ...", or "the book has blurbs/commentaries by...", or for that matter "the books is published by ...".  I did not even include info on the commentaries' contents, and indeed removed "about the importance of the book".  I won't change it back, but please do let me know if you change your view.:-)  I see that you are being objective and applying the policy (though different interpretations may exist), and this is very appreciated.  Cheers, --CCorward (talk) 22:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You may seek to have a third opinion... I am not the final instance down here! But, let me explain. Such blurbs are necessarily positive about the book and, to a certain extent, they are not independent from the subject because the publisher can (and of course will) decline to put on the back cover any negative opinion. The selection of the blurbs is not independent from the subject... The blurbs are there to sell the book, right? --Edcolins (talk) 22:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, on this you are quite correct: the contents of the blurbs can be biased, it is not independent of the subject, hence I removed the wording about the blurbs being "about the book's importance", which is indeed advertising from a self-published source.  But I personally still think that the way it was last worded, i.e. authors of the blurbs, it is a factual statement, just like saying the book is X pages long or it printed X copies, etc.  Are we able to find a wording that might satify us both ?  Also you may note that in the spirit of wikipedia, mentioning those four people means extra links, which I think is good. --CCorward (talk) 22:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The blurbs are verifiable facts, but IMHO do not contribute to the overall neutrality of the article (that is very important). Moreover, I think the blurbs are very specific material facts which are not directly relevant to the content of the article, as I explained here. Let's stay on topic. Having extra links is irrelevant. The "spirit of Wikipedia" does not require this; what matters is quality, not quantity of links or whatever quantity metrics. Quality, not quantity. --Edcolins (talk) 18:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
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