Talk:Georgia–NATO relations

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The history might, nay should, include the 1990 promise by the West to not expand eastward beyond what was then East Germany. Defense News, in an article no longer on their website, said:
Another source at cdi.org, in another expired link, said:
--Tomday (talk) 01:10, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, expired links are always a problem. If a topic is actually important, it should have a variety of published sources available on or offline. That said, I think too much is probably made of this topic on other NATO articles already, and I don't know how that really relates to Georgia's relationship with the NATO military alliance specifically. Even if much of this article is spent on the potential of Georgia joining NATO, there's very little action being taken. Further, Wikipedia doesn't need to feature Gorbachev's 1990 perception of his negotiations; they're out of date, unproven, and as I see, not featured in prominent sources either now or at its time. George H. W. Bush is no longer president, Helmut Kohl no longer chancellor, and Gorbachev no longer premier, and none were when NATO first expanded in Eastern Europe in 1999. If you want to discuss it, his view was frankly of a bi-polar world where the U.S. controlled NATO, able to stop or start its expansion, a view that's perhaps more akin to the Soviet domination of the continent, and one that I think ignores the current self-actualization of a country like Georgia, where the population generally favors aligning militarily with others in Europe and North America.-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 05:58, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a whole article in Foreign Affairs about this dispute here. Yakikaki (talk) 07:44, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A number of declassified primary sources, presumably the ones referred to in that article, can be found here. Skyvine (talk) 00:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: History Starts Too Late

message: The history might, nay should, include the 1990 promise by the West to not expand eastward beyond what was then East Germany. Defense News, in an article no longer on their website, said:
Another source at cdi.org, in another expired link, said:
--Tomday (talk) 01:10, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, expired links are always a problem. If a topic is actually important, it should have a variety of published sources available on or offline. That said, I think too much is probably made of this topic on other NATO articles already, and I don't know how that really relates to Georgia's relationship with the NATO military alliance specifically. Even if much of this article is spent on the potential of Georgia joining NATO, there's very little action being taken. Further, Wikipedia doesn't need to feature Gorbachev's 1990 perception of his negotiations; they're out of date, unproven, and as I see, not featured in prominent sources either now or at its time. George H. W. Bush is no longer president, Helmut Kohl no longer chancellor, and Gorbachev no longer premier, and none were when NATO first expanded in Eastern Europe in 1999. If you want to discuss it, his view was frankly of a bi-polar world where the U.S. controlled NATO, able to stop or start its expansion, a view that's perhaps more akin to the Soviet domination of the continent, and one that I think ignores the current self-actualization of a country like Georgia, where the population generally favors aligning militarily with others in Europe and North America.-- Patrick, oѺ∞ 05:58, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a whole article in Foreign Affairs about this dispute here. Yakikaki (talk) 07:44, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A number of declassified primary sources, presumably the ones referred to in that article, can be found here. Skyvine (talk) 00:54, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
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message: In Nato Bucharest Summit 2008, Germany and some allies rule out MAP for Georgia because Russian troops are present as peackeepers since 1992. The goal of Nato, as it claimed in 1956 by first Nato General Secretary Lord Ismay, is to "keep the Russian out". It's easy to understand why in Bucharest summit, European allies are against to US's desire to take Georgia (and Ukraine) into Nato.
In last December foreign ministers meeting, Nato is likely to rule out this goal when it make a new format for these two ex-soviet republics by "no prejudice further decision which must be taken about MAP". But where's MAP? Iriconally, MAP is an "invitation to invitation" or promise of Nato and "Annual National Program" assigned to Georgia and Ukraine seems to be a pre-Map which Nato allies can deny it easily.   
Whether or not the undeclared and fundermental goal of Nato, i.e. "keeping the russian out" is respected or US wants to save face by bypassing MAP, it's not easy to know because it depends on whether Nato changes this covert goal.
In fact, Russia took advantage of this undeclared goal of Nato and Kosovo precedent to trap and invade Georgia and recognize two breakaway provinces Abkhazia and South Ossetia of Georgia.Buianh (talk) 17:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: NATO with Russian troops? False or True

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message: Hey, just wanted to point out that the main picture for the article is outdated with the accession of Sweden to NATO yesterday, on the 7th of March 2024. In the current picture, Sweden is only partly colored in. 139.180.41.207 (talk) 14:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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