Talk:Text mode

message: What is the name of the font used during booting (see here) and used in the BIOS (see here). It seems to be the same font across all BIOS / mainboard manufacturers. I guess it is stored in the Video BIOS. --Abdull 12:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're referring to the IBM PC compatibles, right? The font is stored in the display adapter, and in modern adapters it's more or less the same as the VGA ROM font. There is actually some minor variance among manufacturers. And yes, in each VGA-compatible card there are at least two size variants of the font, i.e. 8x8 and 8x16. 8x16 is the one used in the default 80x25 text mode. --Viznut 07:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: For IBM PC compatibles it is the code page 437. --Ricardo Cancho Niemietz (talk) 10:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  That font 

message: I think mcga should be mentioned. 640x400 8x16 Font. Isn't it the default IBM PC compatible mode mentioned up there? -- 14:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MCGA 

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message: Were text modes and their associated graphics modes interlaced or progressive on the display when connected through native connectors (not composite video outs), was there any difference between CGA/MDA/EGA (digital) and VGA (analog) conectors? --Dmitry (talk •contibs ) 14:15, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Most probably all these used progressive video, interlace was only used for PAL/NTSC/SECAM compatible video. MDA/Hercules/CGA/EGA did not used converted TV's but real monitors, and all used a 9-pin DE9 connector (often called a DB9 connector) . VGA (still) uses a 15-pins (3 rows) DB15 (actually a DE-15F) connector. except for the size of the shell a big difference. Mahjongg (talk) 22:31, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  So, both VGA and earlier "digital" interfaces like EGA/CGA (which basically required a "smart" monitor with a DAC and singal generator) essentially used progressive scan in text modes, and interlaced scan was briefly used for high-res graphics modes like SVGA, XGA, UXGA etc. because some monitor makers wanted a cheaper solution? --Dmitry (talk •contibs ) 13:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interlaced or progressive 

message: The "clarification" is true in a limited sense, but ignores the last twenty years or so, to put the digression into context TEDickey (talk) 00:35, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, for the article to make sense, I felt we needed to explain a little bit how text mode developed as an intermediate stage between teleprinters and modern PCs where there is enough video memory to store 24 bits of RGB color values for every pixel on the screen, and why despite all the revolutionary work going on with GUIs in the mid-1970s, GUIs didn't become established on PCs until the mid-1990s (because that's when the cost of computer memory finally came down from stratospheric levels to reasonable levels that made 8-bit VGA 256-color displays widely affordable).  I remember when I was a teenager in the late 1990s and finally figured this all out.  --Coolcaesar (talk) 07:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Sure - but in the lede?  That's undue focus on an aspect which is not as relevant as other issues mentioned there, and detracts from the discussion by making it more obscure due to the relative amount of text TEDickey (talk) 10:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  advantages of text modes as compared to graphics modes 

message: Norton Commander supports a command, Alt+F9, that halves the vertical size of all characters in a weird manner to stuff twice the amount.
In Windows Console, this mode simply stretches the console window.
Norton Menu (part of Norton Utilities) uses a graphical cursor in 80x25 mode, however it uses a standard cell highlight cursor in 80x50 mode.
Also, independent of being in Text or GFX mode, MINUET browser supports the double vertical density as a sort of flag. The browser is text-mode, but uses graphical mode overlay for stretching the grid.
Any more comments, and other tools that did weird things to the text mode?
Yura87 (talk) 12:53, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Norton commander would be using a text mode but the font is redefined at a lower vertical resolution (8x8 instead of 8x16) to create a double width screen, there is a BIOS call for this. I did notice a mouse in the screenshot, it must be using some witchcraft to get this. Windows console would use a graphical mode and not a text mode; It is just a picture of text. This makes it easier to support any size given.EvilKeyboardCat (talk) 13:13, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norton 80×50? 

message: Essentially this is one of Wikipedia's many WP:OR topics. TEDickey (talk) 08:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
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text: You’re welcome to do it, rather than harassing me. :) ¦ Reisio (talk) 09:20, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

text: Hrmm? ¦ Reisio (talk) 10:02, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The use and value of this kind of tags has been explained to you at length. Your continued removal of such tags, accompanied by disparaging "thanks for nothing" comments, is starting to become disruptive. Please stop. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 10:16, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

text: When you can prove they actually accomplish article improvement more frequently than I can prove they actually do nothing at all (other than clutter up articles), I’ll potentially change my behavior. ¦ Reisio (talk) 10:50, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Please think for a moment: If your opinion were the consensus on WP, these tags would not exist. Neither would there be a warning tag to warn editors not to remove valid maintenance tags. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion about the value of maintenance tags and nobody obliges you to add them to articles that are problematic. However, you are not entitled to forcing your point of view on the rest of the project. Your edits are against project-wide consensus concerning the value of maintenance tags. Continued removal of valid maintenance tags is disruptive. Your disparaging edit summaries are not very helpful either and don't show a lot of respect for your fellow editors. If you don't change your behavior, this will end up at WP:ANI. --Randykitty (talk) 11:00, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

text: I see your concensus and raise you WP:CCC, WP:BOLD, WP:IGNORE, WP:TAGGING. What’s disparaging is editors coming to articles and doing nothing but marking them (redundantly) as lacking without contributing to them whatsoever. Knee-jerk reverting to prop up this behavior isn’t far behind. Again, if you can show me such templates further Wikipedia’s cause, I dare say I will stop removing them when I encounter them on I’m guessing over 75% of articles I happen upon. ¦ Reisio (talk) 17:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of sources 

message: According to the file description of the Norton Utilities screenshot, the uploader drew it himself and scaled it to 4:3. This last step, in my opinion, wasn't needed. It makes the image blurry compared to all other screenshots on the VGA-compatible text mode page, takes 256 colors for what could've been just 8... and isn't crunched. Therefore, I remade the image in a sharp 640×400. I don't know if the original really isn't actually a screenshot but mine isn't -- I used the current version as a base. Now, if it were just an actual but messed-up screenshot I'd have uploaded my version already. But now that I read the file description I have my doubts on whether I should. Regardless, this would be my version, awaiting judgment from those better informed. --Kawachan (talk) 07:40, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norton Utilities screenshot 

message: I don't have the time right now but I'm flagging the issue for anyone who can. The problem is that all the best sources for why text mode exists to begin with are under full copyright and Google Books can't show them.  The fact that text mode even exists to begin with is bewildering for the vast majority of ordinary laypersons. From their point of view, the obvious question is why doesn't one just keep adding memory chips until the computer can store every pixel on the screen. --Coolcaesar (talk) 19:58, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  It would be great if any editor who has research library access could look into the justification for text mode 

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