Talk:Podiatry

message: A lot of the information under the Australian heading is not applicable.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.182.236.162 (talk) 10:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Australia

message: This article is very difficult to read, it has almost no paragraphs, especially in the lower sections. 147.10.26.33 03:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Got Paragraphs?

message: Oughtn't there be something about the distinctions between Foot and Ankle Surgery and Podiatry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.155.60 (talk • contribs) 
:YES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.176.60 (talk • contribs) 
:I agree also! 64.60.107.218 (talk) 21:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Foot/Ankle Orthopaedics

message: I have removed this from the DPM article as obviously is belongs here (have left link though) - this article seems relatively developed so I will leave the copy here for you to decide if you want to use: 
:Podiatry is a field of medicine that strives to improve the overall health and well-being of patients by focusing on preventing, diagnosing, and treating conditions associated with the foot and ankle. Doctors of Podiatric Medicine (DPMs) are physicians and surgeons who practice on the lower extremities, primarily on feet and ankles. The preparatory education of most DPMs includes four years of undergraduate work, followed by four years in an accredited podiatric medical school, followed by a hospital-based residency. DPMs are licensed in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico to diagnose and treat the foot and its related or governing structures by medical, surgical, or other means. The vast majority of states also include ankle care as part of the podiatric physician's scope of practice. 
:In addition to private practice, podiatrists serve on the staffs of hospitals and long-term care facilities, on the faculties of schools of medicine, as commissioned officers in the Armed Forces and the US Public Health Service, in the Department of Veterans Affairs, and in municipal health departments. Many podiatrists today are also members of group medical practices.
:The skills of podiatric physicians are in increasing demand because disorders of the foot and ankle are among the most widespread and neglected health problems.
:Established in 1912, the American Podiatric Medical Association is the premier professional organization representing the nation's Doctors of Podiatric Medicine (podiatrists). The APMA represents a vast majority of the estimated 15,000 podiatrists in the country. Within APMA's umbrella of organizations are 53 component societies in states and other jurisdictions, as well as 22 affiliated and related societies. APMA's national headquarters is in Bethesda, Maryland. APMA has a staff of approximately 60 professionals who are dedicated to promoting foot and ankle health, to member service, and to professional excellence.
Thanks Lethaniol 15:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DPM 

message: This article contains a great deal of redundancy, facts stated over and over again, such as the number of years required to get a degree, the number of years of residency, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moisture (talk • contribs) 
:It is so reduntant that podiatry and podiatrist are almost exact replicas of each other, which seems rather unnecessary. -- MacAddct1984 13:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very repetitive 

message: Dear Mr. Pingstone:  It is assumed you are a well intentioned gentleman.  Your credentials and expertise within the   aerospace industry, however, do not translate immediately to the profession of podiatric medicine & surgery.  Therefore, kindly refrain from editing things for which you lack complete knowledge & expertise.
Facts are facts.  The UK foot practitioner does not receive nearly the same or similar education as a USA podiatric physician & surgeon.  The public requires & deserves clarity; not confusion.  These words are expressed with kind regards and are therefore, respectfully submitted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.138.89.25 (talk • contribs) 
Seems like some users need to be blocked from editing, basically complete lies are being posted about Aus and UK trained podiatrist by people who obviously don't understand the training systems.....  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.169.146 (talk) 02:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK foot practitioner

message: * Article needs editing for clarity and flow.
* Better section layout is desperately needed.
* Intro is too long. Consider moving part of it to a more detailed general description catagory.
* Article needs a longer more detailed description on Podiatry before moving into the details of invividual countries and the like.
* Section on the United States is pretty long. Perhaps it needs to be moved to its own article?
*  Also seems to be tywo US sections, one being an apparent text dump.
* Needs proper sourcing.
--Lendorien (talk) 14:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Much of the text removed in Jwri7474's good-faith edit was problematic in terms of style and clarity. I am nonetheless reverting, and making a slight correction to some of what I'm restoring, for two reasons. First, the information about podiatry's status within the larger medical field is useful, relevant, and completely appropriate for an encylopedia. (No doubt "interspecialty politics" can be a problem, but these aren't specialties—they're broad fields, many of them comprising various specialties.) Second, there were multiple style and clarity issues with the new text that replaced it. I find it's less confusing to do copy and substantive edits separately, especially if they involve multiple sections in the article, but at any rate it seems easier at this point just to revert and go from there. Rivertorch (talk) 05:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nov. 2 edits 

message: Forgive me if I am wrong, but I don't think podiatry can be considered a field of medicine, as the article's first sentence states. Most podiatric physicians and surgeons are skilled and competent individuals, but the medical specialty that deals with the foot and ankle is orthopaedics.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.15.58.34 (talk) 23:10, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Podiatry as a field of medicine? 

message: The article states "Thus there are four medical professions in the United States that allow for independent diagnosis and treatment" and gives these as physicians (MD/DO), doctors of optometry (OD), dentistry (DMD/DDS) and doctors of podiatric medicine (DPM).  I don't think this represents a neutral view point.  There are many other professions that are (broadly/allied) medical professions that allow for independent diagnosis and treatment of patients.  Clinical psychologists, chiropractors, naturopathic physicians, and other professionals are qualified to provide independent diagnosis and treatment.  The above quote includes optometry and dentistry, which aren't particularly relevant to podiatry, and I think clinical psychologists (for example, those people who hold a PsyD) are just as relevant.
But this raises a bigger question of relevance... what relevance is it anyway how many professions offer independent diagnosis and treatment?  By framing diagnosis and treatment as elite privileges, and then including podiatric medicine among the professions that do these things, this section elevates the DPM to an elite status.  In the defense of DPMs and DOs and many others, the MD degree is sometimes seen as the "gold standard" so I don't blame any profession for trying to rub elbows with the MD.  But it's really not relevant for an encyclopedia entry, and in my opinion it just reinforces the notion that MDs are the benchmark that other professions should try to measure up to.  Each profession should be proud of the services that they provide.  If that includes diagnosis, medication, and surgery, then by all means mention these things.  But it doesn't make DPMs look good if they look smug about their professional privileges.  
You are clearly not one of the real 'doctors' so you are trying to elevate your status. let me make this clear to you we lived in a classed society from a sociological point of view health needs to be structured therefore all physicians are at the top of the foodchain. So it is correct that there are only 4 professions that allow for independent diagnosis and treatment  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.149.239.158 (talk) 00:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral point of view regarding Dx/Tx 

message: I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO A PODIATRIST.  MY HEEL HURTS WHEN I WALK 15 MINUTES.  5 YEARS AGO I HAD CORTIZONE INJECTIONS IN MY HEELS EVERY THURSDAY FOR 3 WEEKS.  IT DID HELP.  NOW THE BUMP ABOUT THE SIZE OF A GREEN PEA, HAS COME ON THE BACK OF MY HEEL AND IT HURTS.  THE BOTTOM OF MY FOOT DOES NOT HURT.  WHAT IS THIS CONDITION NAMED?  THANK YOU, DEB  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.115.120.44 (talk) 16:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, Wikipedia is not able to offer medical advice. There are many online forums you might find helpful. Try a search at Open Directory Project. Rivertorch (talk) 01:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  sofre bump on heel 

message: I think this article requires some clean up and citations need to be provided. For example there is a statement, without references, that the term chiropodist is falling out of use and that podiatrist is increasingly preferred. I have to say that I find this amusing. I am from Ireland and, although I am not of the podiatry profession, I have to say I never heard of this term until I came across this article. A quick search on Irish sites does indeed show that there is usage of the term here, but I would recommend that citations be provided to show that it is indeed an increasingly preferred term. My own belief (and it is opinion based on my own experiences) is that while the term may be used in Ireland, the majority of people would not have a clue what a podiatrist is, but would know what a chiropodist is. --MacTire02 (talk) 11:28, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations and cleanup required 

message: The section on History states that chiropodists are now known as podiatrists, but not explain reason for the name change. It would be informative if it did clarify reasons for this change. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reasons for name change

message: In Australia right now, 2011, the profession of podiatry has changed or in other words has an increased in scope of practice and legislation. Access to S4 medications is now legal in Australia on a federal level however on each state level there are poisons acts in each state restricting some drugs wheras others giving full rights. For a while now DPMs in the US are regarded as 'physicians' and 'doctors' (Courtesy title) as such due to the fact that there program has already integrated podiatric surgery as part of the DPM degree. In Australia Podiatrists can now have the option of having the courtesy title of doctor or physician due to current legislation. With podiatric surgery further study giving the status of surgeon.
The Australian podiatry Council is currently lobbying for specialist recognition in podiatry for:
-podopaediatrics, diabetes, high risk, sports and vascular/neurological specialties
I think more should be added to the scope of practice of podiatry in Australia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PodDPM (talk • contribs) 12:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia Scope of Practice 

message: there needs to be a new article on podiatric nurse/assistants and a new article on podiatrists  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PodDPM (talk • contribs) 06:53, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Podiatric Nurse 

message: The section on the United Kingdom could be improved if more clarification could be made of how podiatrists were, before the 1990s, generally called "chiropodists". ACEOREVIVED (talk) 23:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Section on the United Kingdom

message: for the purposes of article references to this, it is now mainstream usage that the words podiatry and podiatric medicine have the same meaning  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PodDPM (talk • contribs) 11:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Podiatric Medicine 

message: i have added these new sections to explain more about the scope of practice of podiatry and explain more key concepts  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PodDPM (talk • contribs) 06:38, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article sections on the foot and ankle, podiatric medicine, and biomechanics 

message: Where are the references that state a podiatrist is qualified to treat the back?  I can let the hip go as it is a "related structure to the foot & ankle". 
The argument that gait is related to the back does not hold water, and by putting the "back" in an encyclopedic entry - well, it is misleading to the general public and does not serve our profession well.  Please cite your sources - preferably multiple sources, otherwise for the love of God, don't put that podiatrists treat the back. 
Also, the following is misleading:
Within the field of podiatry, podiatric physicians can focus and specialize on different areas, including surgery, sports medicine, biomechanics, geriatrics, pediatrics, internal medicine, diabetes, vascular, neurological, dermatological, orthopedics, or primary care.[3]
There is no such thing as a podiatrist who "specializes" in internal med.  Internal med is in it of itself a specialty.  If you cannot produce where it says a podiatrist specializes in internal medicine, please do not put this up for the world to see.   Also, the term "specialize" shouldn't be tossed around lightly.  If I study the kidneys for 5-6 years as well because I really enjoy treating renal manifestations of gout, does that make me a podiatric-nephrologist?! Or a podiatric-rheumatologist?  Be honest about what we can truly "specialize" in -- true fellowships vs focused areas of clinical practice, -- ie: limb salvage vs primary care podiatry -- that is an honest assessment of what we are able and trained to do. And as always, please provide your sources. 
Reference 3 clearly states the following:
"Within the field of podiatry, practitioners can focus on many different specialty areas, including surgery, sports medicine, biomechanics, geriatrics, pediatrics, orthopedics or primary care." 
If you cite it, please don't add your own opinions.  I have removed it again.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.33.78.52 (talk) 19:48, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Podiatrists treating the back? Citations needed.  

message: I haven't read through the whole article, but I did look at the section on California licensing and skimmed a few other. Much of the material there (2.1) has been cut and pasted from the references (at least one displaying a copyright notice) to the point that "fair use" might be called into question.
In addition, a) there's a fair amount of cheerleading going on in this and a few other sections and b) some passages waver between defensiveness and complaints about limits or designations. The article could be crisper and less emotional (for want of a better word). Tito john (talk) 12:52, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright/NPOV 

message: The US section seems to come straight from a Podiatry school pamphlet
Podiatrists are uniquely qualified among medical professionals to treat only diseases of the foot and ankle. Whether it’s sports medicine, pediatrics, dermatology or diabetes, today’s podiatrist can tackle the many diverse facets of foot care. Podiatrists can be the first to identify systemic diseases in patients, such as diabetes and vascular disease.[12] Today’s podiatrists:
perform surgery
perform complete medical histories and physical examinations
prescribe medications
set fractures and treat sports-related injuries
prescribe and fit orthotics, insoles, and custom-made shoes
order and perform physical therapy
take and interpret X-rays and other imaging studies
work as valued members of a community’s health care team
Doctors of podiatric medicine receive medical education and training in podiatric medical colleges including four years of undergraduate education, four years of graduate education at one of nine podiatric medical colleges and three years of hospital-based residency training. All podiatrists receive a DPM degree.[13]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.210 (talk) 23:53, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out from a podiatry school pamphlet: 

message: I'm flagging with a multiple issues tag. Horrid grammar, redundant statements, and, worst of all, downright misinformation and/or misuse of sources. Also, what's with the "competencies: critical thinking, analytical skills, professionalism, management skills, communication and interpersonal skills" in the infobox? Wouldn't these be the competencies required of every medical professional? It seems as if someone just dreamed these up.PacificBoy 19:21, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is a mess

message: I just had to remove the entire "Scope of practice" section as it was made up entirely of close paraphrasing and outright copyright violations of two sites. cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 17:11, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violations 

message: The article (and this talk  page) contains repeated assertions that a podiatrist is a 'physician', 'medical specialist', or a 'doctor'. In the UK, the term 'physician' refers to someone with the qualification 'Doctor of Medicine' (MD). In general, the term 'medical specialist' is an MD who has undertaken additional specialist training; e.g. see Psychiatrist, Oncologist, Radiologist. The idea is that all of these specialists have been fully trained in general medicine, and can tell when a case they are looking at is clearly the realm of a different kind of specialist.
From what I can tell from this article, a podiatrist need only receive training in podiatric medicine to be qualified to practice.
It says: "Those using protected titles must be registered with the Health and Care Professions Council (HCPC)". From that I conclude that they are not required to register with the BMA (otherwise it would say so), and so the use of the terms 'physician', doctor' and 'medical specialist' are misleading, or at best confusing. Nobody refers to a dentist as a 'medical specialist', and for a dentist to self-identify as a doctor would arguably be fraud.
"Physician" is a term that is relatively little-used in  the UK; I take it to mean the same as MD. US usage may be different. I would like it made clear that a UK podiatrist is not a trained MD, is not a doctor in the usual sense of that term in the UK, and is not a 'medical specialist' in the sense in which a psychiatrist or radiologist is a medical specialist (i.e. a fully-trained and qualified Doctor of Medicine who has further qualified in one or more specialist fields). MrDemeanour (talk) 09:33, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK: podiatrists are not doctors