Talk:Pershing Rifles

message: This article needs to be cleaned up.  In 1891, ROTC, as such, did not exist.  ROTC was formed in 1916 as part of the National Defense Act of 1916 .  There WAS military training offered in land grant colleges but it was NOT the Reserve Officer Training Corps.  This page needs citations all over the place.--Vidkun 22:15, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm confused as to where exactly in the article it says ROTC existed in 1891.  It states that it exists now, which it does, but I don't see where it says it existed 100+ years ago.  Also, I think you'll find that other than the sections I wrote, the entire article is a cut-and-paste job from the Pershing Rifles website.  So yes, it needs a lot of cleaning up/rewriting, which has been on my to-do list for a while (but obviously not at the top or it would have been done by now).  Feel free to help out if you're so inclined.--ScreaminEagle 01:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pershing_Rifles&diff=41470093&oldid=41345426 --Vidkun 14:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The preceding information is an advertisement, has nothing to do with the subject of the main article page, and lists no reliable sources for the claim.  I have recently heard a number of reports about P/R being tactical in Massachusetts, but I see nothing on the PR webpage authorizing this.--Vidkun 14:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
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message: At least half of the "Notable Alumni" section are non-notable in so far as they have no wikipedia article of their own. Some of them with links look to me to be also incorrect or linking to the wrong people. I don't know (or care) about the Pershing Rifles enough to edit/correct, but someone who does should. CAVincent (talk) 02:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I recall, most of those names had been added directly from the PR homepage's list of notable PRs.  As you noted, their definition of notable obviously differs from Wikipedia's definition. --ScreaminEagle (talk) 23:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Non) Notable Alumni 

message: Can we refrain from changing fraternity type from: Social/Military to anything else? The organization is poorly described as one that is "service", "honorary", or "professional". The purpose of the Pershing Rifles is literally: "to develop, to the highest degree possible, outstanding traits of leadership, military science, military bearing, and discipline within the framework of a military oriented, honorary fraternity." 
Although mentioned within the purpose, the term "honorary" is incorrect to describe the fraternity as it is not an honor society but an organization one must be initiated into and complete a pledge process. Some members may be selected by merit but GPA and other academic achievement is not the sole selection tool for membership. The term "service" is arguable for any fraternal organization and as a result is redundant. Finally, the term "professional" is used incorrectly here. The Pershing Rifles are not a member of the Professional Interfraternity Conference nor is membership restricted to any particular profession or field of study. Dr Nikk (talk) 20:47, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: First Pershing Rifles is not a Fraternity or a Greek, it is a Fraternal Organization.  Since the 1930s it's been considered an Honorary Society, academic merit alone is not the measure of an "Honor Society" an honor society is an organization that recognizes excellence among peers.  Professional refers to the majority of Pershing Riflemen who go on to serve in the US Armed Forces. And lastly Service is a strong component of Pershing Rifles, although drill, social, and other aspects of Pershing Rifles are important so is the responsibility to Serve the Community and Nation, one can not be an effective leader without this service component. Ehrentitle (talk) 20:27, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please refrain from editing these sections of the article to meet your personal interpretation of what P/R is.  This page is patrolled by NSPR.  Ehrentitle (talk) 22:48, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You indeed have the right to edit this page as long as your edits are based on NSPR National policy and are not simply your personal opinion.  I'm a Pershing Rifleman, a former National Commander and currently the PAO/Historian for the Pershing Rifles Group, the corporate parent of Pershing Rifles.  I'm a work friendly kind of guy, so e-mail me at: historian@theprgroup.org with your concerns and I will present them to the National Commander and the Chairman of the PR Group for resolution. If you are a P/R National Staff member then you should know how to contract them directly. In the mean time I'll change the characterization of the Organization in the info-box to "Fraternal/Military".  I ask that you do not delete the paragraph on Drill as this comes directly out of an official NSPR publication, nor modify the web addresses of the organization which are correct. Ehrentitle (talk) 22:04, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fraternity Type 

message: As a note, Pershing Rifles is at this time, a member of the Professional Fraternity Association. I'm not sure when it joined, only that it wasn't a member when the PFA was formed by the merger of the PIC(Men's) and PPA(Women's) in 1968. See http://professionalfraternity.org/fraternal-members . *However* membership in the PFA is *not* the determining factor for what a group is, at least in the Fraternity infobox. That is generally determined by the section in which Baird's Manual of American College Fraternities places the group in. For example, Alpha Phi Omega is of type service as it is in the Service sub-section within the Recognition Section. I know that Pershing Rifles *is* included in Baird's I just don't remember what section (I can check when I get home, I own the most recent).Naraht (talk) 16:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Professional Fraternity Association