Talk:Schedule (project management)

message: This article is the same as in the www.stellman-greene.com website, which is also an external link.
Vishwamithra 15:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed.  Just one part seemed a dub.  The 2006 link was http://www.stellman-greene.com/aspm/content/view/18/38/ and the 2006 wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Schedule_(project_management)&oldid=88424396 content looks to have dubbed from it two paras about creating ('Before a project schedule can be created, the project manager must have a work breakdown structure', 'many project scheduling software products',) with a bit elsewhere ('the most popular tool for creating'), and the initial section plus other three sections seemed OK.  By now, only the 'Before a project schedule' part remains, and it looked inappropriate to be 
part of 'Overview' so I've moved it to 'Methods' and given cite for the source.  Markbassett (talk) 19:38, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Same article 

message: The Professional Resources and Project Management firms section apparently has spam. I will take a further look into it to see whether the whole section should stay or not. Pm master 19:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lots of spam 

message: This edit here was copy/paste from within Wikipedia from here -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 21:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy-paste registration 

message: Pm master essentially deleted the University of Wisconsin reference as spam but in doing so, the two references initially provided were likewise deleted.
As Vishwamithra noted earlier, much of the article's content came from the Stellman & Greene Consulting LLC website which is promoting its consulting services and does not have any in-text citations. 
On the other hand, one reference that Pm master deleted came from a peer reviewed journal. It was an examination of a survey of 55 IT project managers and 19 experts with 21 references and citations where appropriate.
The following statements are hereby disputed:
1. "In some large corporations, scheduling, as well as cost, estimating, and risk management are organized under the department of project controls."
2. "Many project scheduling software products exist which can do much of the tedious work of calculating the schedule automatically, and plenty of books and tutorials dedicated to teaching people how to use them. However, before a project manager can use these tools, he or she should understand the concepts behind the WBS, dependencies, resource allocation, critical paths, Gantt charts and earned value. These are the real keys to planning a successful project."
Pmresource (talk) 21:16, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual accuracy is disputed 

message: Could use more details about what relationship of schedule is to usage, or with other items such as the WBS.  This article had defined schedule as listing terminal elements from a WBS.  However, I note that (a) WBS refs say activities are the level below the WBS terminal elements, (b) many PMs schedule major milestones or events that affect the program, such as governance reviews or expectations of an interfacing project that the program has dependency links to nut are not part of the WBS, (c) there is fundamental divergence over whether WBS is to be breakdown of deliverable or it is breakdown of Work, and (d) practices are not as good as theory and tools allow .... many schedules just hardcode dates without dependencies, even fewer go into identifying resources or risks.  Markbassett (talk) 18:08, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: adding to own note -- Still think it's not well phrasing that schedule is different from just a timetable.  Scheduling as an activity or career goes into developing an integrated master schedule, use of an automated scheduling tool, and develop solutions to common scheduling problems (e.g. resource balancing, and how to 'crash' the schedule).   Scheduling is the process and career, and schedule the item that examines all program activities and their relationships and needs, and what is realistic constraints for the time and money and people.  Markbassett (talk) 17:16, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship to other items 

message: I moved the following ELs from the article External links section. Some might make good sources to support article content but they are not appropriate as ELs. 
* How to Defend an Unpopular Schedule (IEEE Software, Vol. 13, No. 3, May 1996)
* Creating Project Schedules With the Timeline View example with non-Microsoft tools
* How to Create a Project Management Plan (CompTIA context)
* A Project Managers Guide to Passing the Project Management Exam by Brent W. Knapp (PMI context)
* Microsoft Project Training (MS Certification context)
* Effective Project Management: Traditional, Agile, Extreme by Robert K. Wysocki
* The Project Management Question and Answer Book by Newell and Grashina, PMI context
Jojalozzo 23:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps belongs under this heading ... I just deleted two of the "See Also" links.  The articles they were originally set to go to have been deleted and the redirect or alternative links were not similar material.  Markbassett (talk) 19:04, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate external links 

message: Documenting here -- I'm removing the tags about insufficient inline cites.  There was one at top of lead and an earlier one at the bottom of References section, and nothing in TALK that seemed a way out, so I'll start with the closure.  The article didn't seem in error but there was a mechanistic call to have some cites that has been here for years.  There hardly seems a point to having a tag that is never addressed or discussed.  So... I saw that a few of Further Reading would be suitable support for bits of the Overview section and moved them up.  The tags were
: * This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations. (October 2011)
: * This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations. (February 2008)
Feels a bit bogus to put them as cites because the article text did not come from them or the article topic/content inherently need a cite, but the content is supported by them even if it doesn't really need the extra support, and cite is the only way I see to remove a tag. Markbassett (talk) 14:48, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing tag about insufficient inline cites 

message: Is there enough notability for schedule structure concepts ?
There is some, such as Hammock activity, but there are more structure concepts of how to build a schedule
out there and not many are in the Category Schedule (Project management)
e.g. Types of schedule primarily categories Gantt chart, Milestone chart, Network schedule, or Production schedules
e.g. Work Breakdown Structure as a data key across the effort, a table of contents for the Statement of work,
and schedule subsections.  This provides for a desire to multiple levels of data and making it clear 
'what cost center does this task bill to' and enabling financial analysis.
e.g. I've seen a high level approach to schedules into four areas
* Vertical "links" at top (headline items for quick overview, e.g. milestones 'Beneficial Occupancy Date', resource or approval gate, functional baseline)
* Horizontal "links" section below that (connect to dependencies in other projects)
* Main Activity details - the main body of step-by-step tasks with durations and and resource assignments
* Enabling activities - section(s) of enabling items, e.g. Staffing, Plans&Procedures, Management Oversight...
e.g. "Master" schedules and sub-schedules, "Consolidated" schedules, ...
e.g. Further clarification of Critical path and warning of it vs Microsoft variance
e.g. List of 'Required milestones' - certain Milestone (project management) that must be shown/done,  either parts of mandated approach or linked to the kind of project
e.g. Naming conventions to use - configuration items lists and definition (official terms); standard reports...
e.g. Best Practices or GAAP - 'good' milestone is 0 day, measurable, and important; a 'good' schedule guidelines ...
Cheers Markbassett (talk) 17:12, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schedule structure parts ?