Talk:Zoning in the United States

message: I moved much of the USA-specific content from Zoning to Zoning in the United States (land use).  In the USA section I put a main article link that directs the article audience to the USA-specific article.EECavazos 18:28, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content move 

message: The case law citations need to be filled out.  I'll try that sometime this week.EECavazos 23:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: The language concerning sham zoning really needs to be improved. We can't simply refer to the common law and assume everyone knows what's up. At the least, an example would be helpful; surely there is some relevant caselaw! rewinn (talk) 05:37, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree.  Also, need a section that defines 'restrictive zoning ordinances' as regards local obscenity laws.  Would be helpful to link here on cases like Miller v. California, etc.  Malke 2010 (talk) 16:21, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Shamming

message: The current start of the site does not explain what "zoning is" but starts with what it includes. Would be good to have a bit more context and/or link to the Zoning page. I just came to this page from a search for "zoning board" and couldn't figure out what zoning was without going to the page for Zoning.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.113.76 (talk) 19:36, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beginning unclear 

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message: There is interesting content, but parts of the article are devoid of citations. I have preserved some previous text by finding citations. The emphasis of this article seems to be on court cases, with some planning history and theory thrown in. I think the content would be better served by changing the emphasis to planning history, with more of a temporal narrative and a less topical narrative. 
I would be more inclined to preserve the current narrative if more previous editors had provided more sources. Providing sources is one of the cardinal rules of Wikipedia. 
Are my ideas for organization the best, or does someone else have a better idea for improving the article? This is what the talk page is for. Oldsanfelipe (talk) 17:38, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Article has multiple issues, reorganization

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I disagree with your reversion. Having one sentence in the lede with a bit of overlap with a similar article is appropriate. I just need to add an internal link. I am quite aware of the distinction between zoning and zoning in the United States. Hopefully you have some ideas for improving the article Zoning in the United States. I can use the help. Oldsanfelipe (talk) 19:32, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Ideas for improvement?

message: One edit asserted that there are four broad categories of zoning types, two of which are incentive-type and performance-type. This statement is unsourced. The descriptions of incentive-type and performance-type zoning are also unsourced. Futhermore, these categories appear to be scarcely distinguishable. 
If anyone reason has to think these should be distinguished, please offer a good secondary source. Thank you, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 12:59, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Performance versus incentive

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message: I am going to implement substantial changes to this article. Many of them involve filling the great number of citation gaps in this website, although the content needs updating as well. For one, I could not find any references to "Euclidean II" zoning anywhere on the internet. It describes hierarchical zoning, and the tone seems very biased. I propose removing the subsections under Euclidean and reincorporating some of this content into a comparison of flat and hierarchical Euclidean zoning. Additionally, incentive and smart zoning are not their own types of zoning. I am going to move them to a subcategory of zoning entitled "Provisions" although perhaps there is a better name fo this.
Additionally, I found a source that states the first initial zoning law in LA was in 1904, not 1908. This goes against the claims on this article and much of the internet. The source is a dissertation, so I am not sure if it is a valid source. Nevertheless, it seems to have a wealth of historical data to back up this statement that is unfortunately not available on the internet, so if it is not a valid source, additional research is needed. Minstro (talk) 03:23, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:   — that sounds great. Have at it and be bold. While you're working on things, it looks like it'd be great to merge some of the smaller sections with others. For example, the "environmental" subsection only has one sentence underneath it which is not enough substance to warrant a whole header. Food for thought. Muttnik talk 03:41, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Article could definitely use improvement.  If one RS WP:RS says something opposite what other RS's say, we should go with what the majority say, if RS's are split, we should say that.  I don't know whether dissertations are generally considered RS or not...I don't know how much broad peer review they get compared with journal articles.---Avatar317(talk) 22:29, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would definitely keep what the majority of the sources say as opposed to the one dissertation. Muttnik talk 00:33, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I found another source (a book) that backs up what the dissertation says. They cite the same historical documents. This seems valid to me. I would argue that while they are in the minority, they are more reliable as they are looking at the topic of zoning specific to Los Angeles as opposed to its greater development, and therefore have done more research into the specifics. Minstro (talk) 02:13, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major revisions 

message: I am thinking of integrating most of the discussion of types of zoning into the main Zoning page. That would eliminate some duplication between the two pages and set the stage for this page to have more of a narrative flow. Any thoughts?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JMMaok (talk • contribs) 02:25, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Types of Zoning