Talk:Srđa Trifković

message: there's a running revert war over whether one item should read thus:
*He is also a proponent of the idea that Muslims are secretly trying to take over the world via mass immigration. 
or thus:
*He is also a proponent of the idea that Muslims are secretly trying to take over the world via mass immigration and the Islamic institution of "dhimmitude," alarming evidence of which, he argues, can be seen in the already compliant and cowed attitudes of many Western nations vis a vis their Islamic minorities. 
however, the linked source supports neither of these versions. nowhere in the interview does he make the assertion that Muslims are trying to secretly take over the world by mass immigration (one could interpret some of what he said in that way, but it's not necessarily what was intended); nowhere at all does he mention "dhimmitude" or "the already compliant and cowed attitudes of many Western nations". I've removed the text until a source is found that actually supports the claims made here. —Charles P._(Mirv) 15:54, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  controversial views 

message: I removed the "allegedly". Either someone's views can be described as controversial (disputed by others) or they are not. In this case, most of his opinions are obviously controversial. --Lee Hunter 17:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed this again. Perhaps the person who put it back could explain why they did so. I've also removed, for the second time, the "Phd" in front of his name. This is poor English and does not conform to WP style. --Lee Hunter 19:25, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Allegedly" controversial

message: Do we have any reviews of this book that aren't from non-historians of conservative political bent? Relata refero (talk) 11:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errr... 

message: *This external link has been removed multiple times by blocked user Koov  and socks of Koov  . It was initially removed by Koov from Defeating Jihad  at the same time, because frontpagemag is a "neoconservative website". The reason it's being removed is from here is because Srđa Trifković apparently no longer works for them . I don't really care who he works for, what his politics are or what frontpagemag's politics are. It belongs here because it's a link to Srđa Trifković's previous colomnist page with a short biography and more than 20 of his articles. If you want to know about this guy, 20 of his articles seem relevant. Ha! (talk) 22:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography and columns at FrontPageMag.com 

message: I can not escape the impression that this article and discussion, made and maintained by a few editors who are among those who admire the character and work of Mr. T, who is among other things, known as a spokesman for the worst and cruelest regimes (Slobodan Milosevic's Serbia and the satellite regimes of at the time revolted part of neighboring Bosnia and Herzegovina) in the modern history of Europe.
It might be better that you create a FAN page.--Umagli (talk) 00:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a comment on this tragic development 

message: Dr. Trifkovic is once again listed on the banner headline of Chronicles magazine, and has been posting columns since 2 September 2010.  Perhaps the last sentence of the biography section should be updated?
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/category/srdja-trifkovic/page/3/
Ivan the mad (talk) 16:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trifkovic update regarding Chronicles 

message: Please see my proposal at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Islamism#There_is_no_article_yet_about_the_.27green_corridor.27_.28in_the_Balkans.29 .  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.208.90.139 (talk) 07:47, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How real is Trifkovic's notion of a "Green Corridor" and how much is it simply a continuation of his relentless propagandising in the cause of ethnic purification in the Balkans?  Trifkovic's theorising about "Jihad in the Balkans" may be a little more verbally coherent than similar efforts by Darko Trifunovic to pass off a ragbag of factoids as political analysis but its substance and motives need just as careful evaluation.  Trifkovic is the man who as Radovan Karadzic's "unofficial advisor" was busy in the Bosnian Serb President's office in Pale polishing up Karadzic's press releases at the very moment the Bosnian Serb Army was carrying out its mass executions around Srebrenica.  His status as a reliably objective source on Balkan issues is adequately indicated by his recent refusal of admission to Canada under the Canadian War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity Act.Opbeith (talk) 08:05, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have little else to add than express my conviction that Trifković is right, and that his theory deserves an article of its own.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.32.33.163 (talk) 13:58, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is no article yet about the 'green corridor' (in the Balkans) 

message: The blurbs about Sword of Islam in the Books section were simply uninformative publisher's plugs.  I have deleted them after creating a Writings on Islam section identifying the key theme of Trifkovic's work on the subject. The Olson comment may be worth moving to the Writings on Islam section.  The ereference to the argument with Schwartz would be more appropriate in a section dealing with controversies relating to the former Yugoslavia. Opbeith (talk) 11:56, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writings on Islam and Books section 

message: Griswaldo, "that is not OK" is nothing more than your personal pronouncement.  I have a multilingual background and I'm only too aware of the risks of relying on machine translation.  My inclusion of the Google Translate reference was simply an aid.  The Dagbladet reference is the support for the information included in the article.  If you have any problems with that information please point to the wording you consider problematic and I'm certainly happy to look at the specific problem in relation to the Norwegian wording.
I'm not clear where you find a problem.  "De var Breiviks helter" clearly identifies the subject of the article as Breivik's heroes.  The first sentence states that Anders Behring Breivik cites "høyresideideologer som forbilder" - right-wing ideologists as his role models.  The article goes on to refer first to Robert Spencer and then Serge Trifkovic.  It doesn't reiterate the reference so as to state explicitly that Trifkovic was an idological role model but the structure of the text certainly doesn't refute the imputation and the reporters write that "Den serbiske forfatteren og historikeren Serge Trifkovic siteres en rekke steder i manuset til Behring Breivik." ie Trifkovic is cited at a number of places in Breivik's magnum opus.  (They also mention that he's considered by critic as a Serb ultra-nationalist and is a Srebrenica [genocide] denier - "Trifkovic regnes av sine kritikere som en serbisk ultranasjonalist, han er også Srebenica-fornekter." The text refers to the fact that "He was refused admission to Canada because of having worked for Serb war criminals" - "Han nektet ble adgang til Canada da han har jobbet for serbiske krigsforbrytere." (This being a reference to his having been a spokesperson for Karadzic and the Bosnian Serbs during the period including the Srebrenica genocide).
The inset box has a heading describing the five individuals named as "BEHRING BRIVIKS HELTER" - these are Behring Br[e]ivik's heroes (presumably you're not quibbling about the typo in Breivik's name to suggest the reference is meant to be to someone else?)  The five names are those of Robert Spencer; Serge Trifkovic (also described here as a writer critical of Islam and a consultant to the Bosnian Serb war criminal [Biljana] Plavsic and an advocate for a Western halt to all Muslim immigration and the deportation of all "jihadists" - in full, ST "er en islamkritisk skribent som blant annet var han rådgiver for den dømte krigsforbryteren Plavsic, tidligere president for Republika Srpska (den serbiske delen av Bosnia). Han har argumentert for at Vesten skal stoppe all innvandring av muslimer til Vesten og deportere alle «jihadister»."); Bat Ye'or - pseudonym of Gisèle Littman; Bruce Bawer; and Fjordmann (the Norwegian spelling).
Tell me what linguistic points in  there you would like to discuss and I'm sure we can call in a competent third party who will resolve the inadequacies of my admittedly limited command of Norwegian. Feel free to check at WP:NONENG that what Wikipedia actually says about non-English sources is that "when citing a non-English source for information, it is not always necessary to provide a translation. However, if a question should arise as to whether the non-English original actually supports the information, relevant portions of the original and a translation should be given in a footnote, as a courtesy." Opbeith (talk) 13:04, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Griswaldo's query about the linguistic validity of the Dagbladet content

message: In further support of my reversion back to the version which includes reference to the Breivik connection, here are some points made elsewhere in relation to the issue of the influence of the "counterjihad" movement authors, of which Trifkovic is one, on the views of Anders Behring Breivik, which expands the background to the Dagbladet article's specific inclusion of Trifkovic among "Breivik's heroes":
Prominent reliable sources discuss the issue of the influence of the Counterjihad movement's anti-Islamic views on Breivik :
New York Times - Scott Shane 
Dagbladet article 
Jostein Gaarder and Thomas Hylland Eriksen in the NYT.
Matthew Taylor's article in The Guardian reporting on Paul Ray of the Lionheart blog: Ray said "it appeared Breivik had drawn inspiration from some of his ideas and writings. "It's really pointing at us. All these things he's been talking about are linked to us," he said. "It's like he's created this whole thing around us." (adding that Ray said he condemned wholeheartedly what had happened and offered his deepest sympathies to Norway and the relatives of the dead, but that he did believe Islam was a threat to Europe)."
Eugene Robinson at the Washington Post looks at the well-known anti-Muslim polemicists in the United States whom he describes as zealots who usually boast of their influence and how they now deny it in anti-Islamic terms. 
Jewish Daily Forward quotes the Anti-Defamation League National Director Abraham Foxman as saying "Breivik was clearly influenced by an ideological movement both in the United States and Europe that is rousing public fear by consistently vilifying the Islamic faith," noting in his statement that the ADL has reported previously on Spencer and Geller’s anti-Muslim agitation.
Doug Saunders's article in The Globe and Mail "‘Eurabia’ opponents scramble for distance from anti-Muslim murderer" notes that "None of these authors [frequently cited, quoted and praised in Breivik's manifesto] have advocated violence. But their warnings of impending Islamic takeover – a concept that is widely dismissed as implausible in conventional scholarly and political circles – sometimes carry an urgency that might seem to invite angry responses. ... she (Littman / Bat Ye'or) warned that her ideas, and those of fellow authors and leaders on the anti-Muslim right, could continue to have violent repercussions if Mr. Breivik proves influential. “I’m afraid that this is something that other people will imitate.”"  
The reliable sources refer to the influence on Breivik of what is described as a "subculture", "scene", etc. of right-wing/far right-wing commentators promoting an anti-Islamic ideology/agenda.
This group includes in particular Robert Spencer's Jihad Watch, Pamela Geller's Atlas Shrugs and "Baron Bodissey"'s and "Dymphna"'s Gates of Vienna (host for "Fjordman"), along with Charles Johnson's Little Green Footballs, David Horowitz's FrontPage Magazine, Srdja/Serge Trifkovic's Chronicles, Gisele Littman's "The Brussels Journal" and a number of others, all of them cited in Breivik's "2083 - A European Declaration of Independence".  They share an ideology that is described as "anti-jihad" or "counter(-)jihad", positioning the arguments as a counter-balance to "jihad", which the coalition subscribing to the Counterjihad Manifesto interpret specifically as "holy war".  
"Baron Bodissey" of Gates of Vienna, author of the Manifesto, argues that the target of what they depict as their defence of the Christian West has to be Islam and all Muslims because of the difficulty of identifying a small core of threatening extremists who susbscribe to the more violent aspects of "jihad".
The group refer to themselves as a coalition, others describe them as a network.  Their publications frequently reference one another's views (for example in Fjordman's "tour d'horizon" syntheses, quoted verbatim in "2083"). They call on one another for support, as when Srja Trifkovic was challenging the Canada government over its decision to refuse him admission earlier this year or currently when individual members such as Fjordman and Spencer have found themselves accused of being an influence on Breivik.  They also have very intense internal disputes on issues of basic principle, as in the dispute provoked by the English Defence League's split over Jewish involvement (and even Charles Johnson's initial accusation that Fjordman was Breivik).
Whatever the group's specific differences of detail the reliable sources see this ideological grouping as having a significant influence, directly or indirectly, on the ideas of Anders Behring Breivik.  They note the extensive quoting in "2083" that has led to the discussion here and at other locations in Wikipedia.  Frank Patalong at Spiegel Online notes that Breivik's "copy and paste" inclusion of material by Fjordman in "2083" runs to hundreds of pages in the 1500 page compendium.
Attempts elsewhere to portray inclusion of these mentions of influence as imputing guilt by association disregard the fact that what is being referred to is the fact that the group with which Trifkovic is associated is publicly seen as a significant influence on Breivik's anti-Islamic thinking.  There's no implication that Trifkovic himself, despite some "apocalyptic" writings beforehand, was knowingly responsible for Breivik's murderous actions. Opbeith (talk) 14:51, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Counterjihad authors and Breivik 

message: Truthsort, your consensus is a false consensus because you have disregarded evidence challenging it that has been brought to your attention.  You know that.  Rather than examine and resolve the issue, you are simply threatening to block me because I won't accept the arbitrary imposition of that "consensus".  I'm unable to perceive good faith in your actions. Trifkovic is discussed by a reliable source as a hero and ideological role model of Breivik and his group likewise. You are insistent that information should not be included in Wikipedia articles. Without adequate justification, pseudo-consensus or not, that is unwarranted suppression of appropriate content. Opbeith (talk) 20:50, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said above, take it to WP:BLPN.  You cannot override site-wide consensus and policy on a local level.  Adding the info here is unambiguously a violation of WP:BLP; continuing to add it will result in you being blocked. I completely agree that a source explains that Trifkovic is a hero for Breivik.  Put that on the Breivik page.  It cannot go here.  Even if Trifkovic responded directly and openly to Breivik's manifesto, putting it here would be highly questionable due to WP:UNDUE.   Qwyrxian (talk) 23:38, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claimed consensus 

message: Article promotes the subject without imparting verifiable information. Next, article relies extensively on quotes that were previously collated by and/or directly taken from an advocacy or lobbying group, such as fringe Balkan Studies.org, Jihad Watch, extreme right-wing organisation The Lord Byron Foundation for Balkan Studies, etc. 
It appears as if contributor(s) have a really close connection with its subject or same view and ideological stand. 
Article rely too heavily on primary sources and references too close to the subject, or with tie or sources affiliated with the subject, except just one BBC Ref (in two places). Find references to be verifiable and neutral from independent authors and third-party publications, and citations from reliable sources, not from Google Groups and blogs, fringe lobbying and advocacy groups, etc !
Unless you can cite independent sources that support the characterization remove or replace such interpretation. Discuss it and improve, do not delete templates, or may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view NPOV.--Santasa99 (talk) 00:32, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article or political pamphlet ? 

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message: Should this be included? I feel like it's somewhat relevant to his persona, but I also didn't see a source on the original page and don't have time to verify at the moment. Quote below:
"Hart organized a conference held in Baltimore in 2009 with the title, Preserving Western Civilization. It was billed as addressing the need to defend "America's Judeo-Christian heritage and European identity." Invited speakers included: Lawrence Auster, Peter Brimelow, Steven Farron, Julia Gorin, Lino A. Graglia, Henry C. Harpending, Roger D. McGrath, Pat Richardson, J. Philippe Rushton, Srdja Trifković, and Brenda Walker." (link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_H._Hart#Racial_conferences)
Though it's billed as a conference on "preserving Western Civilization," that's just a pleasant way to describe their white nationalism; one can call an orange an apple, but that doesn't make it one. All the names I recognize are prominent white nationalists.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemoscis (talk • contribs) 02:46, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speaking at White Nationalist conference 

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