Talk:Indian National Army

message: My information is that Rashbehari Bose, political president of the Provisional Government of Free India appointed Capt. Mohan Singh Deb as the commander of the Free Indian Army; that as South-East and South Asians realized during the Japanese occupations that the Japs were even worse than the Europeans, and began to resist, Deb also turned and ceased to cooperate, was seized, taken to Sumatra and later executed, and that Hitler sent Subhashchandra Bose by submarine to his Jap allies to restart the Free Indian Army. 
Yet, I never find any information on Deb, and no sympathy or acknowledgement by Bharatiyas for him and his actions, or for the numerous Indian women raped by the Japanese in the Andaman & Nicobar Archipelago. 
Why is it that no Indian ever celebrates Deb and his sacrifice? Is it because the Indians identify totally with Hitler and Tojo, as a matter of fact, most that I know, do? 
Another important fact I have read somewhere is that the tendency of the Indians to continue to support the Japanese turned the Burmese and other Asian people against them, leading to the expulsion of Indians from Burma, etc. There is no discussion of this either. 
Please note that I am not making assertions, but merely asking for a debate on these allegations. 
WikiSceptic 03:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mohan Singh Deb 

message: "The Indian National Congress and the Muslim League both made the release of the three defendants the central issue of the massive independence movement of 1945-6."
Er...surely the central issue of the massive independence movement of 1945-6 was persuading the British to leave, and arguing over the division of the spoils once they did so? Also the Azad Hind Legion whose decorations are mentioned at the end was a unit affiliated to the Waffen-SS in Germany, and was never part of the INA. Does this section really belong on this page? Sikandarji 21:24, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Er.....

message: does not exist, someone please upload it or I am going to delete the link.--Victor.P.Das 22:21, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted. --Victor.P.Das 18:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ref: [[Image:Azadcomm.jpg]] 

message: Er, the rest of the piece at the link posted as a reference to this assertion reads
"The bid to take Imphal was frustrated by the collapse of Japan's supplies and the Allies' total control of the skies. It was at this stage that two INA officers went over to the British side. The deserters not only botched the attack but also gave the British a graphic account of the INA's desperate situation. 
The British decision to retreat was reversed, reinforcements sent and air attacks on the INA and Japanese troops intensified to force the hungry and thirsty expeditionary force to retreat."
Doesn't sound like much of a victory to me. As far as I know, the Japanese never really trusted the INA or provided it with modern weapons and logistical support. Disentangling its "victories" against the British Indian Army from those of the Imperial Japanese Army is difficult, and it is certainly fair to say that militarily the INA was pretty ineffective. As a propaganda weapon, and in terms of the response to the trial of the INA officers, its impact was much more considerable. Sikandarji 20:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The majority fo the INA were captured in 1942 before the British and Indian Armies had instigated proper jungle training, training before Japan entered the war previously being aimed at desert fighting for the North African Campaign.
=== Reverting edit by Torb37===
Torb37 makes two points in a very POV  way which he does not back with references. The first is a quote or words attributed to a person which are not referenced, and also written in what seemed very ill-organised way. This edit also attributes the term 5th columnist to the recruits of the INA and goes on to raise questions about Patriotism. 
First of all, everything that Torb37 says have already been discussed and noted in either this page or the Azad Hind Page. Secondly, his edit seems very POV, in the wrong section of the article (there is a section dealing with after effects of INA, which talks about the perceptions as collaborators, which is what Torb37 seems to be alluding to). Also there is a referenced view point noted in the section which notes that the INA soldiers where seen as patriots by the soldiers of the Indian Army who fought for the allies, after end of the war.
===Reversion of the eidt that majority of INA troops were sikhs===
I have reverted the edit that majority of the INA troops were Sikhs. This is because some unreferenced sources I have claim that large majority were south Indians, mostly Tmails, while others assert that a large number were Sikhs, which will be unsurprising since a large number of Indian Troops were (and still are) Sikhs. But if you're quoting on the demographic, I think it is helpful if you can provide a reference since it will also help to expand on the demographics itself as a whole and not just one community, which may also seem like a POV assertion. It is possible that a large number of the civillian volunteers of the INA were South Indians while a large number of the troops derived from the British Indian army were sikhs, I would like this clarified.Rueben lys 12:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combat Effectiveness 

message: I have reverted the edit that majority of the INA troops were Sikhs. This is because some unreferenced sources I have claim that large majority were south Indians, mostly Tmails, while others assert that a large number were Sikhs, which will be unsurprising since a large number of Indian Troops were (and still are) Sikhs. But if you're quoting on the demographic, I think it is helpful if you can provide a reference since it will also help to expand on the demographics itself as a whole and not just one community, which may also seem like a POV assertion. It is possible that a large number of the civillian volunteers of the INA were South Indians while a large number of the troops derived from the British Indian army were sikhs, I would like this clarified.Rueben lys 12:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reversion of the eidt that majority of INA troops were sikhs

message: This section seems to give the INA too much of a presence on the battlefield - U-GO was a predominantly Japanese offensive. And why does it mention 'Anglo-American positions?' There was no American presence in the area, aside from US air support! 14th Army was a Commonwealth army. Darkmind1970 08:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good idea - I'll look through my books as well so that we can try and come to some kind of a consensus. In the meantime I'm going to remove the 'Anglo-American lines' phrase that keeps making me want to grind my teeth. It's utterly incorrect for the Battle of Kohima. Darkmind1970 07:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kohima 

message: I have expanded this article a lot, and added and am still adding a lot of stuff. I am just a bit surprised going through all the above discussions and comments, and comparing it with what I am reading in Fay. It is clear there are two diametrically opposing PoVs here and some of the editors have deliberately tried to introduce this in the article to promote these, in spite of being aware of established work that totally opposes it. I think it is important to set the Propaganda (both Indian and British) aside and try and help improve the article with facts and not how you would like this army to be seen (includes views as savage turncoats and views as freedom fighter).Rueben lys 13:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Help Improve

message: The last sentence of the first para. says this:
:These events in the twilight of the Raj are accepted to have played a crucial role in its hasty end.
Was this necessarily a good thing, given that Partition was essentially botched, and more time should have been given to the people and provincial authorities to prepare for it? What do you think? best, Sunil060902 (talk) 09:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hasty end [to the Raj]" 

message: I see you started a new article on this. I have no problem with that and see no POV problems. Controversies by definition involve diametrically opposed POVs. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 17:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversies

message: I'd have a question about the flag used by the Indian National Army.  One image (shown left) shows the flag jumping to the left, while  two other ones (shown right) show the tiger jumping to the right. Was there a change of flag between the Indische Legion and the Indian National Army, or is this a mistake ?
I'd also have another question : the Flag of India article states that the 1931 flag (left below) was used by the INA as a battle ensign. Is there a source for that, or was it, on the contrary, used as a "national flag" by the Provisional government of Free India, while the "jumping tiger" flag was actually the flag of the INA, hence the battle flag of the government ? Any info by experts on the subject (with sources, if possible) would be welcome.  Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 09:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The right-jumping flag is possibly because the flag pole in the picture is on the right? In other words, the reverse side of the left-jumping flag? Just speculating here! best, Sunil060902 (talk) 12:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought about that, but wouldn't the words "Azad Hind" also be reversed ? Or were they sewn on both sides ? Does anyone have actual photos of the flag ? Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 18:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag ? 

message: Would like to see the Hindi Army Flag and also were there special uniforms for the Free Indian Army? To set them apart from British Indian forces?HAAPSPENDEN (talk) 03:44, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes would like to see the Hindi Army  Also the Uniforms? 

message: I have flagged the sentence "The Japanese forces is said to have carried out torture on thousands of local inhabitants during the occupation, and some historians inexplicably apportion the blame to Subhas Bose's provisional government."
Apportioning the blame to Subhas Bose's provisional government may indeed be unfair, and I certainly don't doubt one can find sources that say so. So link them in.
Stating that this attitude is inexplicable seems decidedly unneutral. It's hardly inexplicable, even if it's unfair, for British historians to accuse a government they saw as a puppet collaborationist government of conniving in Japanese atrocities. Yaush (talk) 16:25, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inexplicable?  

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message: Subhash Chandra Bose had been twice elected as the President of the Indian National Congress.He was of the opinion that while England was engaged in the Second World War, India should take advantage of the situation and intensify the agitation in India. If necessary, India should sek the help of the enmies of England. However, he developed differences of opinion with the senior leaders of the National congress. Therefore, Subhash Chandra Bose resigned from the osition of the Congress president. He founded a party called the 'Forward Bloc' in order to place his views before the people.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.207.204.110 (talk) 13:26, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subhash  Chandra  Bose 

message: According to latest news,after a debate,British government said that war against Indian National Army was toughest war,Britain ever fought,it should be added.Ovsek (talk) 05:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this is incorrect. A survey said that the Battles of Imphal and Kohima were the toughest ever fought  by the British Army. And those two battles were predominately fought against Japanese troops. The INA had a very small part in the battle. Darkmind1970 (talk) 13:42, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest news 

message: I remember a previous photo of Japanese soldiers pointing guns at blindfolded Indian soldiers having been added to the article in the past. I am not sure what it or this photo adds to the article, especially in the section to do with INA trials. Of course if the argument is that INA soldiers joined because of coercion or fear of life then this needs to be subtantiated with references, as it is largely inconsistent with most major studies on the INA and it's recruits. If again the intenntion is to highlight that some Indian soldiers rather died than join theINA, then again this argument may be very POV if you're not counterbalancing with a depiction or illustration of thousands rushing to join in without coercion (Pardon the peacock terms if it appears). Please comment or otherwise explain the role and purpose of this photo or move it to a different article on Japanese war crimes.rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 18:16, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: What is the purpose of the pphoto of Japanese soldiers bayonetting Indian corpses?

message: While the new Indian National Army in Singapore contains some useful content, it isn't actually focused on the INA in Singapore - it's actually a general account of the force, and not really superior to this article. As such, the useful material not currently in the Indian National Army article should be merged here. Nick-D (talk) 10:50, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I should higlight Nick-D, I believe the information in the article Indian National Army in Singapore is already covered in First Indian National Army, Indian National Army, Indian Independence League, Bidadary resolutions and  F Kikan. Best wishes. rueben_lys (talk · contribs) 21:51, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

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message: There is another article that seems to be a very similar topic to this one: Indian National Army in Singapore. Perhaps they should be merged together? — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 07:45, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose merge on the grounds that this page is already too big at over 100k and so can't really accommodate any more. Klbrain (talk) 20:18, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

text: The article as it exists is heavily duplicative of this one, but it could be a topic worth covering in a separate article. —innotata 14:21, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian National Army in Singapore 

message: Don't you all think that adding order of battle of INA will be a good idea?
1st Division
- Subhash Brigade (1st Guerrilla Regiment)
- Gandhi Brigade (2nd Guerrilla Regiment)
- Azad Brigade (3rd Guerrilla Regiment)
- Nehru Brigade (4th Guerrilla Regiment)
Reserve (for lack of better words)
- Rani Jhansi Regiment Iamgreat4eva (talk) 11:11, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  INA 1St Division