Talk:Renault Twingo

message: The Beskid Link
I'm concerned that there really isn't enough to warrant the inclusion of the Beskid in this article. It's not enough to simply note that the Renault Twingo appeared after the patents on the Beskid expired: nothing tangible exists to suggest that the Twingo copied the design.
Both are indeed sub-compact city cars, but the Fiat Cinquecento appeared at around the same time, and Ford had already started work on the Ka so Renault wasn't the only car manufacturer developing this segment at that time. Secondly, contrary to some opinions, I don't believe the the Beskid and the Twingo look that simila. Compare the side profile of the Twingo to that illustrated on the second external link of the Beskid page. The Beskid has a dynamic, monobox, sweeping design the carries the bonnet line up into the window 'shoulder' of the car. The Twingo is also a monobox, but its design emphasises the smaller shapers of the windows, lights, doors etc, rather than the overall form of the car.
It's not enough to accuse Renault of copying the Beskid just because the two cars are the same size. And the designs don't appear to be similar enough to support this argument.
Any thoughts? Jamesbrownontheroad 07:31, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the threshold for inclusion in WP is verifiability, not truth (see WP:V), and it looks like there are sources claiming this going back more than a decade. I have to say that I think the current single sentence in "the project" section is sufficient, since (a) the Beskid subsection looks like a cut'n'paste copyvio from the carbodydesign.com site and (b) neither external link looks like a particularly reliable source. I'll remove that section in its entirety, as well as the photo; the two together look like soapboxing. --DeLarge 10:20, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The second source only mentions the similarity, does not try to establish any link. Even though there is a push to backtrack the Twingo to the Beskid, nothing remotely tangible was ever mentioned by any of the (questionably reliable) sources I have ever come accross. The Beskid was indeed a pioneering design, but there is nothing to indicate that Renault ever heard of it. PrinceGloria (talk) 11:17, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

message: I'd like to know which part of this article is supposed to be like an advertisement.  Apart from the piece mentioning trim levels and prices (which I have seen on other articles) of the second generation Twingo, I can't see anything that would pass as an advert.  Twingoman 17:38, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article or section is written like an advertisement. 

message: The Twingo was the first production model with very flat windshield pillars.
30 degree in a vertical plane.
And the first small production model with a deep dashboard
--86.92.132.118 00:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Right-hand drive market

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message: I'm removing all the info about the Beskid from this article. I'm surprised it stood for so long. The first source given clearly fails to comply  WP:RS and is a self-published account made by a Beskid fan with a very biased agenda. An info that contradicts all other available sources and the company needs sources of far better quality. The other source, a Car Body Design (a not so good source) article mentions the Beskid, but the word "appears" it uses to describe the supposed conection is very vague and seems a personal opinion. There are no proves Renault designers had in mind the Beskid when designed the Twingo, quite the contrary. Besides, the relation between the Twingo and the Beskid seems quite poor, if there is any. "Resemblance" doesn't automatically imply "relationship." If worth mentioning, the Beskid must be included within the city cars history. Regards. --Urbanoc (talk) 17:46, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beskid, again 

message: As once all info about Beskid was removed from the article, now I am removing all info about Honda Today. Firstly, this "info" doesn't have source. Secondly, these cars differ in virtually everything, except that they are very similar in shape. These cars cannot even be compared. Thirdly, both Twingo & Beskid are 4-5-seater 3-door monobox hatchbacks with folding rear seats, and Today is also 3-door monobox, but it's a 2-seater kei van, without rear seats. Passenger version appeared later, in 1988. Fourthly, Honda Today was not a pioneer, because prototypes of cars with such body shapes were created even earlier (for example, the aforementioned Beskid). But, this is how I find out that Honda Today is considered the world's first monobox passenger car, which is not true. Finally, as mentioned above, "resemblance" does not automatically mean "relationship". Regards, Kotori Habane (talk) 13:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Honda Today]] 

message: A  has poor contrast for colourblind readers. Please stop reverting the image back to the red car on the green background when images which do not have this issue are available. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 17:22, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red car on green background