Talk:Wales/Archive 1

message: I just wanted to know, what can Orders-in-council do for Wales? I thought also that in theory, the prince of wales is actually the real Head of State in Wales?
Amlder20 23:51, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but as Wales is bound by the laws of "England and Wales" (medieval imperialist power-term if ever there was one!) then Orders in Council can be used to subject anyone in Wales to pretty much anything the Privy Council decree, just as they can in England. This came into full force during the second world war for example, when large portions of land belonging to Welsh farmers were taken away from them by the MoD under spurious O-in-C inspired control orders. The local officials on the ground were primed to say it would be "returned after the war" - of course, in many cases, it never was. MarkThomas 08:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welsh Politics 

message: I've removed the list of places which would otherwise be orphaned, as they are all now linked to, with the exception of Abersychan, leaving no good reason for them being listed. Warofdreams 17:15, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed list of places

message: When was Wales de-annexed from England? It got annexed in 1536 or whenever, was considered part of England when the Kingdom of Great Britain was formed, but at some point the term 'England and Wales' began being used in legislation.  Does anyone know when this was? Morwen 14:27, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, found it. Morwen 15:54, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

text: The actual wording is the "Crown in right of the Welsh Assembly Government", which isn't the same thing. Owain (talk) 17:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  De-annexation 

message: I'm not too clear on the details but for a long time Monmouthshire's status as being in England or Wales was somewhat ambiguous - a lot of legislation applying to Wales only would refer to "Wales and Monmouthshire". Does anyone know much about this and want to put in a note? -- Timrollpickering 11:00, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: See http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/timelines/wales/status.shtml GWO 12:38, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: All the books I have read say Caergwrle and it woujld make more sense geographically as a base for the raid--Snowded 11:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monmouthshire 

message: Removing a piece of useful information ('Caerdydd') from the page just because it's not English was pretty damned childish. Varitek 20:48, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Caerdydd

message: The page has been edited with the comment 'Wales is not a nation'. But the OED definition of the word 'nation' includes A group of people having a single ethnic, tribal, or religious affiliation, but without a separate or politically independent territory.. Therefore Wales is a nation. Besides, I'd rather talk about 'Six Nations Rugby' than 'Two nations, a combined nation and province, two countries and a principality Rugby'.
:Wales is a nation, a country, and a principality. Th terms are not mutually exclusive. Wales is *not* a state. It is also part of a Kingdom. mynameismonkey
:Although, it should become gradually obvious to a reader, it is not stated anywhere that "Wales is a nation" (or "almost universally considered to be one including by the UN and the UK government" or something if anyone objects to that statement).  The word, "nation", isn't even in the article.  Whereas, Scotland and England are both initially described as nations.
:Would anyone object if I change "is one of the four constituent parts of" to "is a nation (and one of four constituent parts) of" or "is a nation"?
:--Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 23:09, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead, if someone objects they will let you know PDQ. Alun 07:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did it myself. Take care. Alun 06:38, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nation or not?

message: Can anyone point me to an authoritative source that shows that the Germanic root from which the name of Wales derives can mean "slave"? Marnanel 15:39, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Wealas, from Saxon wealh - servant, slave: http://www.websters-dictionary-online.org/definition/english/we/wealas.html Mynameismonkey
My understanding is that the Germanic term may ultimately come from the name of a Celtic tribe living under Roman rule, possibly the "Volcae" in what is now southern Germany or Bohemia.  This led to the use of the tribe's name to mean "Romanised Celts" in general, and it is this sense which is supposed to be behind the use of the term elsewhere e.g. the "Welsh" were Romanised Celts to the Germanic Anglo-Saxon invaders, the French-speaking population of Belgium known as "Walloons" would also ultimately be descended from Romanised Celts, as would the Wallachians of modern Romania.  I think Germanic tribes tended to use different terms to describe other non-Celtic "strangers".  The Anglo-Saxon reference above might actually be a secondary meaning resulting from Anglo-Saxon dominance over their "Welsh" neighbours.
Any academic references to back this up would of course be helpful.
Wealas is a Saxon word meaning foreingers, this has then developed into Wales. In 990, while it is true that the Saxons had pushed the Welsh back, Wales was still a distinctly different country that Saxon kings had no authority over. As for the Bible entry in Genesis I fail to see how an ancient book translated from Hebrew, to Latin and then into Old English is a difintive source of information.--Rhydd Meddwl 18:49, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Stranger or slave" 

message: ...means "Wales for ever", doesn't it? Some anon has just changed the translation to "Wales never yields". Can someone with more Welsh than I have comment? Marnanel 16:38, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The form "Cymru fo am byth" is only used as part of the lyrics of Men of Harlech as far as I can tell (Google search). The more popular version is "Cymru am byth", but this is still far from being a national motto. It is, however, probably the closest thing we have to one. And it means "Wales for ever", yes. Gareth 21:34, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cymru fo am byth" 

message: An anon has added Bangor and St David's to the list of subdivisions of Wales under "cities". While it's true that they are cities, they're administered by county councils and aren't unitary authorities in the same way that Cardiff or Swansea are. I'm not sure how properly to resolve the ambiguity here; perhaps the whole section needs rewriting. Marnanel 18:55, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cities 

message: The nation has had no real independence since 1282, when it was taken by the English King.
The above statement is incorrect in the sense that Wales has just as much independence as any other nation in great britain.All power is central at westminster,with representatives from both England,Scotland,Northern Ireland and Wales.
:Which doesn't really sound like real independence to me.
both statments are incorrect
The welsh people had a short spell of independence during the 1400's thanks to the King of free Wales, Owain Glyndwr currently Wales is going through the devolution process which in lamens terms means that we can make our own decisions but the english is still in overall control.
:The UK parliament is in control, which consists of MPs representing England and Wales (and the rest!). There are more English MPs because it is a bigger country, but most of the people in power in the cabinet actually seem to be scottish! Jameskeates 11:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  incorrect 

message: a native pure-blood welshman is a coch draig with unchallanged intelligance and language skills
Would these language skills reach to the correct spelling of "Intelligence" perhaps?
:And indeed better punctuation and better Welsh (draig goch)... garik 14:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No it's not!  Well, it is if there's a definite article (so y ddraig goch), but the radical form (meaning '(a) red dragon') is draig goch, as in 'Draig goch yw pob Cymro y mae ei waed yn bur':)  garik 11:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Character of the Welshman"? 

message: Why are the age ranges listed so skewed?
Its no surprise, and not really informative, that the age ranges spanning 15 years have more people in that range than the ranges that span only 2 years. I'm not quite sure what this is supposed to show. Whatever it is intended for, I'm sure it could be done better by having a more balanced distribution of ranges, perhaps targetting a 10 year span for each group.
Tritium6 20:40, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are the age ranges used by the 2001 Census site. -- Arwel 21:05, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age breakdown 

message: I've changed the image gallery to make use of Wikipedia's 'gallery' template, which seems to be less intrusive for the overall feel of the page. I've also added some photos of important Welsh institutions. If you don't like the changes, feel free to revert back to the old style, I'm not entirely convinced of the change myself! Twrist 23:27, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images of Wales