Talk:Queen Anne-Marie of Greece

message: :The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was move. See #Result below. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 05:56, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: :See above. Charles 17:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Would someone like to explain why half of the voters above have only one edit, and that's voting to oppose this item? Thanks. — Deckiller 04:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Examples: Jtcd and Cocos. Moreover, their reasoning was flat. I'm neutral on this issue, but I want to make sure there is no cheating going on. Sockpuppetry is a severe penalty, and can result in blocks. — Deckiller 04:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cocos (like kokos) is also one of the disparaging names used to refer to Anne-Marie's husband, if it's of any note. Charles 04:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't worry about this. If it escalates to such a point that the oppose side wins because of the sockpuppet votes, I'd recommend pursuing actions. However, I think this discussion will scare off the sockpuppet creator, especially if these are isolated incidents. Checkuser is always an option, and may EVERYONE in this voting remember that. — Deckiller 04:20, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The people who voted for the move back to the proper name did so as it conforms to Wikipedia guidelines. All others who vote against it are in contravention to the rules. You obviously have no clue what a sockpuppet is. Charles 19:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Brilliant!  Aleksandar is a comic genius. john k 22:54, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: It is patently obvious that we have sockpuppets voting here. Anyone shown to be a sockpuppet will simply have their votes removed and be indefinitely blocked. And the person using the sockpuppets to fiddle the vote will be blocked from editing WP for 24 hours. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 19:48, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, that's not correct.  The naming conventions are CONVENTIONS; they're not rules.  There are all sorts of exceptions, some delineated in the conventions, others singular.  If there is overwhelming support for something to be done on a specific page contrary to a convention, then that will be done on that page. (And this is all being written by someone who actually believes that in this case we should follow the convention). Noel S McFerran 05:26, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sockpuppets

message: Aleksandar moved this page contrary to the Wiki practice of voting for a controversial move. How does one go about moving it back? Charles 22:55, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically, file a WP:RM and I'll get to it in five days; as there is no meta:wrong version, it should not matter where the article is until then. 'lright? —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 15:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See "She is not Queen of Greece" (I totally disagree) for discussion, as Aleksandar has trouble posting things where they ought to be. Charles 18:48, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: :per Wiki convention re naming of queens consortMowens35 07:29, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The German and Dutch versions call her "of Denmark", but the English calls her "of Greece".  Which is correct? - Nik42 09:32, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the German and Dutch versions have her filed under her maiden name, as opposed to Wiki principle re queens consort. Mowens35 07:29, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old talk 

message: quoting from Jtdirl's talk page, Charles is collecting votes from random people! 
Hi Jtdirl, could you please contribute a vote at Talk:Anne-Marie of Greece? Thanks. Charles 18:59, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Above posted by Arnegjor, suggesting that this voting is not fair, as people who voted got the mesage just some seconds before their vote. ALEKSANDAR 13:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If YOU edit my comments one more time, I'm putting you up on the board the for administrators to deal with. Here is the comment that you erased. "Above posted by Arnegjor. For what reason, I do not know. Charles 00:03, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

text: This is my defence ;) Charles 22:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: There is absolutely nothing wrong with one editor notifying other editors that a vote is going on.  As it happens, Charles and I have disagreed about the names of a number of pages for other royals.  But he knows that I take an interest in such matters and that I can also make (I think) a useful contribution. Noel S McFerran 07:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: but anyweay there was a real referendum about her title and 70% of Greeks voted her loss of title, its not a corrupted referendum in wikipedia that will give it back to her Arnegjor 22:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than destroying the continuity of a page, keep your trash at the bottom, not in the middle of the request move section. It's rude, un-Wiki and probably in violation of some rules. Notifying people of votes is common place. Sometimes they vote against how I vote. That's their choice. Charles 22:40, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about?? they voted some seconds after you invited them. Arnegjor 22:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Duh. Notifications of new messages are instant. Cease disrupting the votes. It contravenes Wiki rules. Charles 22:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: then stop blackmailing me. Since I started discovering how corrupted your votes are, you send me messages trying to scare me that you will ban me from editting (voting and protecting form your votes) wikipedia. Are you administrator? Cause if you are I'm quiting wikipedia right now. Arnegjor 23:03, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't sent you an email in my entire life. You have a history of disruption and infractions contrary to Wiki guidelines. Charles 23:05, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I never did any personal attack, you and your collected voters did calling Alexander a "Greek republican" and "no-brainer", why didn't you send a message there? You can ban me darling there's no reason in wasting my time dealing with such situations. And wikipedia is not a good source of information if it contains artticles about the Queen of Greece (while there's no such thing) and people collect random voters to prove that, in referendums trying to replace legal ones that took place 30 years ago and 10 mil people voted. Bye bye and good luck with your queens of greece and dukes of Myconos, of Macedonia and of the mountains of Crete. Arnegjor 23:19, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collecting votes? This is not fair

message: Today I was trying to vote and had someone reverting my vote, spent 20' to add a vote Svetlyo 06:08, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are absolutely and completely not allowed to edit or remove the reason for the request vote. Count yourself up for investigation. Charles 06:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You claim that I remove the "revert to a previous name that a Greek republican (POV, even him claimed being Royalist) changed and you ought to support us..." thats for the discussion not for the top of a vote. By using this as an excuse you removed my edits and my vote and had to write three times and try to revert to save my vote. Svetlyo 06:17, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your votes are re-included but you have no right to change the reason I added for the request move. Leave it alone. Charles 06:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason is already on top. Its no a reason of Alexander being a Greek republican, first we don't know and don't know and don't care about his political  identity and second you mentioned once more above and third you clearly try to predjudge the vote before teh discussion, we don't need your opinion there, thats why we have the discussion Svetlyo 06:27, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If people are as fragile and unstable as you make them out to be, they ought to not be on Wikipedia at all. ou didn't have a problem voting in opposition, did you? Charles 06:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You know so litle about fair polls and democracy and hence your fanatism about the word Queen. Svetlyo 06:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be noted to the user that on Wikipedia, votes are still not binding.  Wikipedia is not a Democracy. Votes are an advisement when no consensus is reached. TKE 10:45, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Please don't revert this discussion page to remove votes

message: :I have to add the POV. there's no way that an article can remain having that a court gave her teh title of Queen of Greece. Is it in Greece? And if its not how can a court outside a country give a title that refers to a foreign country. Can somalia give teh title of Queen of the USA to a random person?
:Also after that is says as a title given in Greece (??) "Anne-MArie de Grecia" thats not a title and its against this move here , as it suggests that her current  title is "Anne-Marie of Greece" hence teh article should remain as it is. Why those who added this fake title support the move to a different title then? Svetlyo 06:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The point of an encyclopedia article is to gather the various things which have been said about a topic in scholarly sources.  It is a fact that Anne-Marie uses the surname "de Grecia" on occasion.  It is also a fact that various royal courts refer to her as "Queen Anne-Marie of Greece".  No editor has to agree that these things are right or appropriate.  An encyclopedia article is about recording what happens, not judging whether it should happen.  If the government of Somalia ever gives the title "Queen of the USA" to somebody, then that should be recorded in Wikipedia. Noel S McFerran 09:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about formal titles as it is in the category of Kings and Queens. So if the title is given here, it has to be valid, its not just a name. Also in English language you will find more resources as it is now than to the name that you want to move it to (check above). So I can't find aboslutely any point that this article has to move apart from all us fighting like cocks and driven by our egoism. The whole problem started from the description of the move attempt including the POV and propagandistic "a greek republican heared voices and his feelings" that turned the whole stupid thing an argument between Royalists-Republicans. Stevepeterson 10:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Someone changes the titles POV

message: Play nice! Stop reverting each other and grind it out on the talk page. There's nothing that can't wait a couple days while it gets worked out! Rx StrangeLove 06:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a reminder 

message: I have raised the subject of how the articles about the ex-King's and ex-Queen's grandchildren (those born after 1974) should by titled. Please share your opinions here. --Michalis Famelis 18:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion and by the legality of Greece, grandchildren of ex-King and ex-Queen are not princes and princess because Greece is not a Kingdom. English wikipedia is nazi-monarchist and they want to impose the monarchy in all the countries who are legally republic like Greece, Austria or Germany. If monarchy is abolished, they are not princes. --84.120.15.172 (talk) 17:56, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion of Naming Policy regarding the ex-King's grandchildren 

message: The article is 7/10 against the move, the consensus is not clear.   I contributed to a jumble at the  bottom, but it's resonable discussion.  I think the vote should delayed possibly a new page created for the next vote so to limit the clutter and make a clear concensus. TKE 05:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I understand that voting is not related to concensus.  My view was that the votes didn't even provide relevent information in their descriptions for justification and clearing up arguments.  I oppose the move as she is not a regnant, but most of the votes are sockpuppets as you said and it would be nice to stay the move, let things settle and have hopefully a rational round of votes, that's all. TKE 04:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I do agree with and abide by the final decision as well. TKE 05:04, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  LEave here and move to other things? Its easy for you and me but not for my friends, their vote here costed their accounts. This argument reminded me Greek politics of 1960's, still no result, while some voters died and the adminstrators in favour of the Royalists. Stevepeterson 14:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: On Consensus

message: Did the Queen change her religion to Eastern Orthodoxy when she married her husband or is she still Lutheran? I guess the same question applies to her mother in law Queen Frederica--Kdebem 12:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anne Marie converted to Eastern Ortodoxy, and all her children are Greek Orthodox as well. E.g. the entire family made the sign of the cross (eastern style) when they paid their respects to her deceased mother, Queen Ingrid of Denmark. Lutheran Danes don't make the sign of the cross, only priests do when they bless their flock. Valentinian T / C 18:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthodox or Lutheran? 

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message: She is not a queen now, she was queen, like Federica of Hannover, like Elisabeth of Bavaria, etc. and the correct title to the article is "Anne Marie of Danemark", because was a Queen but she is not a Queen.--84.120.15.172 (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Convenction of names

message: Please, add Anne-Marie to the Danish princesses by marriage template, as she is one by her marriage to a Prince of Denmark. Similiar situation was with Prince Knud's wife Caroline-Mathilde, who was Danish princess both by birth and by marriage. Kowalmistrz (talk) 16:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  By marriage 

message: Is writing "On 21 May 2004 Anne-Marie was peripherally involved in a fight in Madrid..." really a FAIR representation of this woman? It implies that she is some sort of brawling lowlife. The article does clarify the issue, but it gives an initial appearance that would be relished by a tabloid headline writer - just my opinion. 121.73.7.84 (talk) 09:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading? 

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message: I corrected information about Hellenic College London, which, according to its own (poorly-sourced) Wikipedia article, closed in 2005. I looked for a citation to support this information but couldn't find anything. Help would be welcome, otherwise the assertion should probably be deleted. Matuko (talk) 16:25, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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message: There are two images in this article both entitled "Dual Cypher of King Constantine II and Queen Anne-Marie".  Are these cyphers actually used by them (in which case there should be some citation), or merely cyphers created for them by private individuals (in which case they should be removed as original creations)? Noel S McFerran (talk) 02:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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message: Shouldn’t the title of this article be along convention of Royal consorts? Queen Alexandra of the United Kingdom was Alexandra of Denmark, and her mother was Queen Ingrid of Denmark, however known as Ingrid of Sweden. Why isn’t this article called Anne-Marie of Denmark? AKTC3 (talk) 22:48, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: because Anne-Marie is still alive. GoodDay (talk) 22:38, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: How does nominating this article for WP:DYK sound? I have just expanded the article by quite a lot and I think it meets criteria? I will just ping User:Alsoriano97, who I have worked with a bit on this stuff. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 09:57, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  DYK