Talk:Sport in Birmingham

message: The text of the para on prize-fighting added by the user at 195.92.67.66 on 27 Mar 05 reads as though it's come from an old text (in terms of the language used etc.). If this is the case, is the text out of copyright? Even if it is out of copyright, I think the original source should be acknowledged (and IMO ideally the passage should be re-drafted in 21st century English). Valiantis 18:03, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ) I agree, it should be written in modern English, quite amusing. You have organised this page brilliantly Valiantis, I think that now we have sub pages we can maybe add more images as well to increase interest further. Nick Boulevard 23:13, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Prize-fighting copyright

message: What is:
: In legion The Birmingham C.C., started in 1819, the members including the young élite of the town at Ladywood.
supposed to mean? Andy Mabbett 16:41, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Who knows - most cricket talk sounds like gibberish to me :) I could have sworn I'd rewritten this to strip out the goobledygook and the direct quotes from what sounds like a 100-year-old source, but it looks like all I got as far as doing back in March was adding some structure and tidying a few paras. (Unless the text went astray at some point, server crash? failed save?). If I get a chance I'll try and turn the article into English at some point. Valiantis 18:46, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cricket gibberish

message: I have expanded the article and cited as much as I can. There are several statements which are still requiring sources, though I have not removed them as I feel there maybe truth within them. I think the article could still do with some expanding though all necessary edits have now been done. - Erebus555 12:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: The Panthers now play in Walsall so should they really be listed in this article? Dunk the Lunk (talk) 10:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Panthers?

message: If we're going to have a distinction between major and minor teams it needs to be logical. A major team must have certain attributes - at the very least it must be professional (or maybe semi-professional), it needs to be well-known and supported, and it needs to have a stadium with the capacity to support that number of fans. There are only five teams within the city of Birmingham that fit that bill.
A team might be largest team in its area playing its sport (or even the only team) but that doesn't make it a 'major team'. I have great respect for American Football and it's great that we have teams playing the sport in Birmingham but neither the Birmingham Bulls or the Birmingham Lions are 'major teams' by any stretch of the imagination. They may be large and successful teams in their respective divisions but they play sports which aren't particularly successful in the United Kingdom and in the grand scheme of things they aren't on a level with the giants of fully professional clubs in leagues' with incredibly high levels of turnover. If we're going to include either of the city's American Football teams in the 'major teams' table then as a matter of neutrality we should also include Birmingham's biggest Rugby League team (Birmingham Bulldogs) or any number of amateur football teams from Birmingham in-and-around the fifth to eighth levels on the British football period because they all play around the same level as the Bulls and Lions in terms of professionalism of league and number of supporters.
Therefore the only 'major teams' currently operating in Birmingham are Aston Villa, Birmingham City, Moseley Rugby Club, and Warwickshire County Cricket Club. West Bromwich Albion also qualify for the list from a historical perspective; as the region the club comes from was once a boundary area between Birmingham and therefore at one point they were a Birmingham team.
The only team that is not included in the previous list which arguably could be considered a 'major' Birmingham sports team is Birmingham & Solihull R.F.C.; which as the name suggests was formed by a merger between the Birmingham and Solihull rugby union teams; which has been a member of the RFU Championship in recent years. The reasons that may exist against this team being included are that they play their home games in Solihull and, perhaps consequently, have been considered to be more of a Solihull club than a Birmingham club in recent years.
Neutrality is important in the realm of Wikipedia and we need to be objective and logical when it comes to making decisions like this.
Kind regards,
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thread_title:  Defining a 'Major team' 

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