Talk:Gauteng

message: Hi Jcw69, I see that you're working on the Gauteng page, and it's nice. There are a few things I don't understand, though:
* I listed the population figure of 8.8, which I found in the 2001 cencus data. You listed 7.3 million (actually, you listed 7.3 billion...) in the box - where did you get that figure? One figure should be agreed upon and used throughout the article.
* I think the population figure belongs in the introduction paragraphs, right next to the land area figure - instead of moving it all the way down to the "demographics" section. The "... second most populated province of south africa" just begs to be followed by the actual population number, and this is how I originally wrote it.
* In the demographics section, what does "languages spoken" mean? Obviously, many South African are bilingual. Are you counting people whose mother tounge is a certain language, people who can speak a certain lanugage, people who understand a certain language, or what?
* Why do we need that side box repeating some geographic and demographic information that could be written in normal textual paragraphs?
* Oh, and why do we need all those extra headings that don't contain any content, both as section headings and on the right infobox? I realise that this might make some people fill that content, but right now my impression is that these headers mostly make the article look ugly :(
Nyh 13:16, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gauteng page 

message: Hi Nyh,
I found the provinces of SA a mess most of them just stubs, so I wanted more detail in them. I tried to find a compatible layout for them by looking at the states in USA.
I know they look ugly, sorry but I want to full them with info and I am looking for the info when time permits.
As for the sports side I think your idea is much better because I just copied that from the states.
I was looking at the 1996 stats last night, sorry I corrected them.
I will be getting to the other provinces as soon as I can. I have started on KwaZulu-Natal so could you look there and update. Thanks 
Feed back is great. Are u also living in SA
Jcw69
Actually, no, I live in Israel. But my girlfriend was born in Johannesburg, and I'm trying to learn her heritage :) Nyh 07:56, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gauteng 

message: Hi Nyh, I drew the map up based on the map found at the Johannesburg's website. I can change it if need be.--Jcw69 08:53, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Gauteng Map

message: If you look at the map at  you can see that the region marked as West Rand (number 13) on the map in the article is unmarked. Also the list of municipalities on the Department of Health site  lists 12 local and metro municipalities, which are presumably depicted on the map in this article, not 13. West Rand is listed as a district municipality, not as a local municipality and therefore should not appear to be on the map. I could be wrong, but someone needs to verify the status of the section marked as 13 on the map. Park3r 20:24, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See also the map with the West Rand article, where the area marked as the "West Rand" in this article doesn't appear to be part of the West Rand.Park3r 20:26, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The area marked 13 is a District Management Area - that is, an area with no local municipality - which is part of the West Rand District Municipality. There seems to be some confusion about DMAs; the West Rand municipality is made up of areas 9-13 on that map (although #10, Merafong City, has now been lost to Southern District in the North-West Province). The map on West Rand is wrong; the area marked 13 is definitely part of the West Rand DM. - htonl 23:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, with the updated map (see below) I have clarified the description of that area. - htonl 18:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Muncipalities/map dispute

message: Will the maps have to change following the abolition of cross-border municipalities, and the transfer of various areas like Merafong City Local Municipality (that includes Khutsong)?168.209.98.35 18:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they will. Merafong City (#10 on the current map) has been transferred to North-West; I am working on drawing up new municipality maps, from the latest Municipal Demarcation Board data, at commons:Maps of South African municipalities. One of my priorities is to draw new maps for areas with significant changes as a result of the abolition of CBMs. - htonl 23:41, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, map and the corresponding list updated. - htonl 18:33, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 08:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Transfer of Merafong City Local Muncipality to North-West Province and abolition of cross-border municipalities

message: Could anybody say what number corresponds with what municipality. It is not clear to me this way
--Merijn2 15:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  municipality map 

message: Can we please add to the article an audio file of the correct pronunciation(s)? Thanks. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 22:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Can add audio file of correct pronunciation?

message: I see that it shows English speakers pronounce the province with a "g" (like the spelling? I have personally NEVER heard anyone (English/Afrikaans/Black) say "Gaw-teng", it has always been "XGaw-teng", where the X is a "flemming" sound, if that makes sense? Can we remove the first pronounciation. Btw the "Gau" isn't a fully african word. It originally came from "Goud", which has passed on into some African languages. "Goud" in Afrikaans is pronounced with the "X" sound at the beggining as well. Bezuidenhout (talk) 17:21, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would qualify that by saying that I've never heard any South African pronounce it with an ordinary 'G'; I've heard plenty of English-speakers from other countries pronounce it that way. But I would absolutely agree that the correct SA English pronunciation starts with a voiceless velar fricative (the "XG" sound). - htonl (talk) 17:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand that, but there are millions of English speakers in this country, so surely South African English is supposed to be the pronounciation at the beggining? (english: [gauteng]) means South African English, not international English. We don't display the Australian English pronounciation of saying Manchester on the page? Bezuidenhout (talk) 20:08, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Also, sorry about making such a big fuss out of this. Its just, we have to display the CORRECT way of saying something, if that means saying "Houston" has a silent H, or "GER-many" with emphasis on the first sylable? Bezuidenhout (talk) 20:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no, I agree with you. It was just a remark. The SA English pronunciation is the relevant one for articles on SA topics. - htonl (talk) 11:16, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation 

message: I know the S. African govt says it is but govts often mislead. And the 10% figure is unbelivevable.
Per Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
S. Af GDP = 357, so if Gauteng one third as claimed, Gauteng = circa 120.
Africa = 1,730.  North Africa = circa 600.  
So using grade school math Gauteng a bit over 10% of sub Saharan Africa and around 7% of African GDP. 
I did change article. 96.49.36.43 (talk) 07:12, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy not 10% of African GDP 

message: The proportion of black Africans nationally versus minorities has not increased since the 2001 census, yet according to the 2011 census black Africans are now the majority in Northern Cape and the 70-75% majority of non-blacks in Western Cape has been reduced to 68%. In addition I believe that whites made up 20% of the population of Gauteng in 2001. How is it that blacks don't increase as a percent of population nationwide yet it seems that the SA government is claiming they have increased in several provinces where it matters to the ANC? Is there tampering going on here? Have whites and coloreds and indians gained in other provinces and I just haven't noticed? 64.189.66.167 (talk) 01:54, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: From 2001 to 2011 the proportion of Black Africans nationally increased slightly, from 79.0% to 79.2%. On the provincial level, the proportion of Black Africans decreased in the Eastern Cape, the Free State, Limpopo, Mpumalanga and North West. There was a big increase in Black Africans in the Northern Cape (which was partly because of border changes) but the population of the province is so small that it has little effect on the national numbers. The figures for 2001 are on pages 10 and 12 of this document and for 2011 are on page 21 of this document. It has the absolute numbers as well as percentages, so you can check the calculations for yourself if you want to. - htonl (talk) 02:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange Demography of South African provinces 

message: I think that this article is ready to be rated again in terms of its quality scale. I've done tons of work on it and feel that the quality of the article has improved substantially in the last month or so. Thoughts? Aleksandar Bulovic' (talk) 15:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review 

message: Hey, I've been doing lots of research on crime in Gauteng and I think that it would be appropriate to include it in the article. Should I give it its own section or make it part of one of the already present sections? (Perhaps Demographics or Law And Government), let me know! Aleksandar Bulovic' (talk) 20:55, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crime 

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message: "The name Gauteng is derived from the Sotho name, "gauta" meaning "gold" with [locative suffix "-eng"]."
The source says "gauda", not "gauta", first of all. And is it a coincidence that the Afrikaans word for gold, "goud", from the same Dutch word, is so similar? I would doubt it. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 12:17, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: The fact that Gauteng was actually derived from the Afrikaans word goud (being inherited from Dutch) seems to evoke an uneasiness with some South Africans, if one looks at the way in which it was edited from the article. They may have their feelings that Afrikaans had nothing to contribute to the black South African languages, but the fact is that there are miriads of Afrikaans words, changed and spelt differently but nevertheless, in Sotho, etc. When the Gauteng province was named Gauteng, the then (black) premier of the province acknowledged the fact that the initial source was the Afrikaans word goud. Politics influence history but should not distort it. But I am fairly sure that, if someone should correct the fact, it would be removed again. I will therefore try to find the premier's exact words at the time in a newspaper archive or something. Adding such  a source should make it a little more difficult to "try to  change history", no? Mieliestronk (talk) 01:53, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the word Gauteng 

message: Talk about it 197.184.180.92 (talk) 18:15, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  English 

message: Gauteng income is stated as annual but the number should be monthly. 102.33.61.59 (talk) 05:15, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gauteng income is stated as annual but the number should be monthly.