Talk:Controversies about the 2004 Madrid train bombings

message: I have lightly corrected the English, which isn't bad, but uses terms unfamilar in English, like 'confident' for 'informer'.  Tenses were often a bit muddled, and these have been cleaned up.
Chasnor15 (talk) 08:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much, Chasnor15. I am the main author of this page and your remarks about my english put a smile on my face :-) Randroide (talk) 09:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: English corrections

message: Outside Opinion. I think the 72-hour removal proposal is a good idea.  It's time-limited and can allow editors to work on a small section at a time to get consensus.  However, if you do not have consensus within 72 hours, which version will be replaced?  (I hope that this question is actually unnecessary!) Renee (talk) 19:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigh. Go ahead, Southofwatford. I think it´s a bad idea, but, well, after all it´s only 72 hours offline. Choose the 72 hours more convenient for you. Drop a line if you need help with the references. A line saying "Section being rewritten" should be better than NOTHING, but this point is up to you. Enjoy the weekend!. Randroide (talk) 22:48, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I will not go ahead with the removal until I am able to devote full attention to the rewrite, probably tomorrow and Tuesday. Southofwatford (talk) 11:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whenever is convenient for you, Southofwatford. BTW: There are several sources citing explosives at 2004 Madrid train bombings. It is a must to integrate all the stuff about the explosives in the section (because, yes, it is a controversial issue) Randroide (talk) 23:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This controversy seems to be over, need to remove RfC tag. PRtalk 14:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should [[Controversies_about_the_2004_Madrid_train_bombings#Questions_over_the_type_of_explosive_used_in_the_bombs]] be temporarily removed while POV issues are treated? 

message: I'm doing some tag cleanup on WP.  First off, I'll say that I'm not some sort of high WP official, just doing some work.  It is my feeling that Southofwatford did not make his case for a NPOV tag, and presented no credible reasoning why it should remain.  It is also my feeling that the article is, though perhaps poorly written, certainly not biased in the WP spirit and definition, as has been pointed out in this discussion.  I'm removing the tag, any comments can be directed here or to my talk page directly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjdon (talk • contribs) 22:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tag Cleanup 

message: What I have changed in the rewrite of the section on the explosives issue:
The timeline is established – things are put in order so that the narrative of developments is coherent and in context.
Where I can find useful English language sources I have added them – none is really available on the detail of the explosives tests.
Speculative headlines and opinions have been removed but it is still left very clear that there were disagreements and what these disagreements are about.
I’ve added significant missing detail and facts on the results of the explosives tests. There is much more to this than just the question of nitroglycerine.
I don’t feel that it’s acceptable or useful to try and present the issue as just being between rival newspaper accounts – this article is not about the media - so I’ve left in the facts and the newspaper accounts are still sourced without it being presented as just a question of what a newspaper says. This is not just about the viewpoint of El Mundo versus that of El País.
I think the resulting section is factually accurate, NPOV, representative in the selection of sources and concise without leaving important issues unmentioned. It addresses the deficiencies which justified the placing of a POV tag on the original section. Both sections can be viewed together at User:Southofwatford/rewrite.
 
Southofwatford (talk) 15:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
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