Talk:Jamie Doran

message: I've reverted an edit by Betterworld67 (previously made and then undone by  Probewiki). The edit removed the following sentence from the "Guinea Pig Kids" description: "The BBC has upheld complaints that this documentary breached editorial guidelines on accuracy and impartiality, acknowledging that it made false claims and was biased towards the views of "AIDS denialists"."
The sentence was replaced by: "A subsequent Federal investigation confirmed that some children had been volunteered for trials by New York's Administration for Children's Services without the appointment of independent advocates to ensure their wellbeing."
My reasoning is that the original sentence was well referenced and stated a highly pertinent fact. That the documentary in question has been the subject of much controversy must be noted. It is highly unusual for the BBC to issue an apology of this nature. In contrast, the sentence added instead was unreferenced and omits the most important finding of the Federal and other investigations - i.e. that the documentary's most serious allegations were unfounded. Trezatium (talk) 09:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the best solution would be to include both our statements in some form or other. However, for this to happen I think we should have a reliable reference to support your statement, given the contentiousness of this subject. Trezatium (talk) 11:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: My edits were reverted a few times so I think i need explaining why I made them, more detailed.
The article is about Jamie Doran, it is not a hatrack for political views about the United States or Afghanistan and other things Doran did films on. Doran is notable bc of his films, so you have to talk about his notable films. But you have to say what is said about them in sources not stuff you think about them or you heard from some body even if you are Jamie Doran editing this. Examples are,
*"This massacre was confirmed in The Guardian newspaper." The article confirms a massacre allegedly occurred, it does not say it is the same massacre in a film. When there is not explicit tie between the Guardian report and the film this is called original research, WP:OR. This article needs sources about Doran and Doran's films. Like, if the Guardian report says, "here is a massacre from Afghanistan, and filmmaker Jamie Doran filmed this film called Afghan Massacre about it, and we investigated it and found out it was all true."
*Andrew McEntee "reviewed evidence held by Doran and other sources including the United Nations, and through McEntee's own on-site visit to the mass grave during September 2002." The source does not say Doran, it does not say site visit, it does not say Afghan Massacre: Convoy of Death, it says McEntee called for an investigation, that is all.
*"The claims were also backed by a leaked United Nations memo, said The Guardian newspaper, while Newsweek magazine confirmed with its own lengthy investigation." The United Nations memo did not support Doran's claims prisoners were shot and US troops knew about it, it said there was no evidence of violence, some people died of suffocation in containers, there was no evidence US troops knew any thing. So if we want on doing original research, there should be the opposite conclusion, Doran's claims are not supported. But we do not do original research and the Guardian and Newsweek don't say a thing about Doran or the film, so it is all irelavnet on this article.
*Need for Speed, there is needed a source this film is real and notable, beside Jamie Doran's web sites. Also source for the General's quotes that is may be blp.
*Lord of the Wing, the source has a letter from the producer of the film, it does not say the film was the reason for the fund, its more like the producer, not Doran, started the fund, the site does not say any thing about Doran. The Motor Neurone Disease Association is I am very sure a awesome group but this article is not about them it is about Doran. If you want to talk about them, start article on them.
*"described by London Evening Standard critic, Victor Lewis Smith, as “television at its finest” on 28th March, 1998." Is this a quote, then it has a source or was it just a comment to the film maker?? RetroS1mone talk 22:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Another thing is, the awards, did Doran get them personally or were they for his films, it is a small distinction but we need to be accurate. And also alot of language has to get changed, alot of this is just copied from Doran's websites acftv, probetv. RetroS1mone talk 02:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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message: This being a biography, we are currently really lacking some biographical data on Doran, such as his date of birth, place of birth, from when to when he was at the BBC, and so forth. JN466 09:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. But I doubt that we could find citations to back up any of that info.Biggerpicture (talk) 10:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biographical data

message: Is Doran Irish or Scottish? Both occur in sources. Or was he born in Ireland, but lives in Scotland? JN466 13:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Most sources say Irish, so shall we stick with that? Biggerpicture (talk) 15:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Four "news" source at Google News says Scottish filmmaker , ten says Irish filmmaker, most from the "Irish" are activist web sites, so RS, it seems a tie. There is no biographical information about this person? RetroS1mone talk 17:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: All I have found so far in addition to the above is a German source stating that his father was an Irish freedom fighter, and there is a reference to him as a Glaswegian here. JN466 10:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
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