Talk:Karl Menninger

message: Is it necessary to have that letter posted in its entirety? Typos 07:40, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think not, a simple reference to one of the multitutdes of websites hosting it would be ample. Ifnord 00:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and deleted it. Typos 09:34, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Szaz did not say Mea Culpa.  Menninger did.  Check facts 2601:6C1:300:B210:18B4:DF20:1F12:89F5 (talk) 18:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Szasz's Mea Culpa Letter 

message: You simply dislike the content of the letter and wish to add a step in order for people to read it. I didn't appreciate you taking down this important letter by Menninger and an important document in the history of psychiatry. There isn't a court room in the country where the ideas espoused in "The Crime Of Punishment" haven't been put into practice. I think it is important that people see that the most prominent proponent of the insanity defense conceded that he was wrong and his most prominent critic was right. The letter and Szasz's reply are in the public domain and I'm putting it back up. -Chiefbromden
: Actually, I don't particularly care for Menninger's arguments myself. My objection to the section you add, is that first, it distorts Menninger's views (he never claimed everybody was mentally ill) and second, it turns the article into a paean to Szasz. Mentioning the letter is fine, but having it occupy two-thirds of the article is excessive. You're not a Scientologist perchance? Typos 06:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can stop frothing. Christ. I think you were more bearable on the Lorazepam. Yes I am a bigot. I also enjoy torturing kittens. Cute fluffy kittens. I believe all psychiatrists are saints and Menninger is my personal Jesus Christ. Now that we've covered my character flaws, let's talk about the letter. While I agree that it is significant, it does not warrant taking up more space than the biography itself. I've asked for mediation, but in the meantime I'm reverting. Typos 04:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is very un-encyclopedic to include the contents of the letters in the body of the article.  The external link is sufficient. -- Dcflyer 10:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually this discussion left the realm of civility when you started assuming bad faith (which was, incidentally,  pretty much immediately). If you must know, my beliefs line up closer to Szasz than with Menninger. His conception of a crime-free "utopia" seems more Orwellian than anything I could imagine. So you can stop ascribing intent or belief to me. And for what its worth, I regret bringing up Scientology. Typos 06:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes, It's Necessary 

message: Hi, I am Adam and I have taken this case.  The details of the request for mediation are at 2006-06-14 Karl Menninger.
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It seems to me Chief Bromden's closing sentence outlines a possible compromise.  Is this course of action acceptable to both sides?  Ideogram 12:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A summary of Szasz's reply should not be included. This article is about Menninger not Szasz. Other than that, the compromise Chief outlined seems acceptable. Typos 06:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediation 

message: Karl Menninger is widely understood to be one of the most important names in the history of psychology and a major contributor to our present day understanding of abnormal psychology and psychotheraputic technique.  These contributions have been widely recognized for several decades and many challenging clinical successes have been attributed to his pioneering insights.  The Menninger article fails to say anything specific about these important insights -- it would be like an article on Christopher Columbus which says only that he was a 15th Century slave trader who has a country named after him.  It is astonishing that, in light of the score of books that Menninger has written -- only one of which is mentioned, and without any discussion -- that the article spends so much ink on one letter, a letter that offers scant insight into Menninger's own significance.  Szasz, in contrast, is a popular writer of light, easy-reading books that can be read in one sitting.  He is primarily a populizer of ideas which should fairly be attributed to certain original thinkers who preceded him, such as Michel Foucault.  It is a credit to Meninger,  whose work as a whole is more pragmatic than speculative, that he learned to overlook the chaff of Szasz's exhortations and appreciate the kernels.   The letter is rather more personal than professional, and more important to Szasz than to Menninger.  
(69.108.111.150 06:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "What's done to children they will do to society"
Just thought you'd might like to know...
--Polgarahanwi 06:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

text: agreed--Keerllston 00:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs some balance 

message: This quote is at the beginning of The Chosen by Chaim Potok on the dedication page:
"When a trout rising to a fly gets hoooked on a line and finds himself unable to swim about freeely, he begins with a fight which results in struggles and splashes and sometimes an escape. Often, of course, the situation is too tough for him. In the same way the human being struggles with his environment and with the hooks that catch him.
Sometimes he masters his difficulties; sometimes they are too much for him. His struggles are all that the world sees and it naturally misunderstands them. It is hard for a free fish to understand what is happening to a hooked one." Dwarf Kirlston 23:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes

message: Google Search hits:G; Google News (all time) hits:GN;Google Books hits:GB; Google Scholar Hits:GS
["Karl Menninger"] G:48,700; GN:1,220; GB:1005; GS:2,780
--Keerllston 19:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finding Sources 

message: In the See Also section, there is a link to "Ann Gottesman", but that page has been deleted.  Perhaps this link should be removed. Lattefever (talk) 20:50, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "See Also" section 

message: The Crime of Punishment has been published at 1968 (copyrighted 1966). I've this edition of the book on my shelf.
Kassie (talk) 19:52, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Crime of Punishment 

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