Talk:Friday the 13th/Archive 1

message: Why does this article have this odd title? -- Zoe
: I would prefer Friday the 13th or Friday the thirteenth. How about you? -- Oliver P. 03:44 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
::Either, though Friday the 13th, which already redirects to here, is my preference.  -- Zoe
:::An odd question: why is Friday the 13th considered bad luck, but not, say, Wednesday the 13th?  Koyaanis Qatsi 03:56 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)
::::I know there's an interesting reason (or at least an urban legend explaining it) because I read it in, I think, one of Uncle John's Bathroom Readers.  Sadly, I can't even begin to remember what the explanation was. It makes me think of the ancient Druids though, for what that's worth.  Tuf-Kat
:::::What the hell is Wednesday the 13th?
::::::The day after Tuesday the 12th.  -- Zoe
:::::::It's also the day before Thursday the 14th.  Just FYI.  But seriously, I honestly don't know the story behind Friday the 13th, but I'm sure that it's somewhere here on the internet.  I will do some research on it.  You know you can find anything on the internet, lol.  ManicGypsy
I thought it had something to do with a train crash for some reason.. Salty! 02:11, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  article title 

message: Most of the stories seem to on explain why 13 is unlucky, not the link to Fridays.
: I agree. The whole origins section is currently redundant; it explains why the number 13 may be considered unlucky but says nothing about the date Friday the 13th. The current content should be replaced with a pointer to 13 (number) and then talk about actual date origins (such as Knights Template below). --Air 12:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  origin of the date, not the number 

message: 1. The spanish reference to Tuesday the 13th, I'm not sure it does mean as it says ("on Tuesday, neither get married nor start a journey"). "Embarques" is rarely used as starting a trip (from "barco", ship), but as "don't get in debt" (monetary or else).
2. The article about the Knights Templar has a reference to the possible origins of Friday the 13th. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templar
:: Where, and who uses embarques as meaning don't get in debt?  In Puerto Rico atleast, embarcarse means to go away on a journey. (SIGN YOUR COMMENTS!!!)  12.214.20.252 03:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish reference and Knights Templar origins 

message: In fact, the 13th is more likely to be a Friday than any other day of the week.
If Jan. 1 is Sunday then Jan. 13 is a Friday.  The next year (52weeks one day) Jan . 1 is a Monday and Jan 13 is a Saturday.  Excluding leap year this would be a 7 year cycle and the 13th would fall evenly on every day.  Including leap year (excluding exceptions to leap year) would give at most a 28 year cycle.
: Except that the rules for leap years are a little more complicated. I quote: The Gregorian calendar, the current standard calendar in most of the world, adds a 29th day to February in all years evenly divisible by 4, except for century years (those ending in -00), which receive the extra day only if they are evenly divisible by 400. Thus 1996 was a leap year whereas 1999 was not, and 1600, 2000 and 2400 are leap years but 1700, 1800, 1900 and 2100 are not. This results in a 400 year cycle, which is easily veriefied using an eternal calender of some sort (Outlook provides one, for instance) -- the years 2000 and 2400 are exactly the same.
: This means we have 400 * 12 = 4800 months, and (400 * 365 + 24 * 4 + 1) / 7 = 20871 weeks; it's easy to see those two don't match--212.115.192.29 09:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  one line is wrong 

message: What are the letters in the last column ? G, F, GF ? sikander 21:23, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had no idea, but they seem to be Dominical letters. I've made it more explicit. Melchoir 21:36, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The entire section is a mess. The second paragraph under the table doesn't explain exactly what the 400-year cycle is or what it is for. I'm going to fix all of the incorrect plurals (they use parenthesis as it is), but I don't know what to do with the rest. It's a totally haphazard mess. I don't understand it. --True 01:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the Occurence table does a terrible job of presenting the information.  I think it should be sorted by month or year.  Would anyone have a preference? Hoof Hearted 15:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occurence table 

message: True, 4800 is not divisible by 7.  But that has nothing to do with whether or not any chosen day of the month can occur the same number of times on each day of the week.  Even if 4800 were divisible by 7, the irregularity of the lengths of the months, and the varying length of February, would guarantee that particular days of the month would not be distributed evenly among the days of the week.  There are only 11 instances of the 29th in standard years, and 12 in leap years.  There are only 11 instances of the 30th, and there are only 7 instances of the 31st in any year.  These unavoidable facts are what makes the distribution uneven, not whether 4800 is divisible by 7 or not.  JackofOz 12:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I think you are both right, depending on from which side you look at things. --Boivie 11:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mathematics of occurrence

message: While many believe this to be a day of bad luck, I on the other day look forward to this day as a day of Good Luck!  I was born on Friday 13th and my Father always told me that if you were born on Friday 13th, it was your lucky day.  I've hung on to this notion all of my life and now take off work and use the day to do something fun and exciting.  Proof that the power of belief is a mighty, mighty thing.  Oh, and just for the record, I do not claim connection to any particular God or diety, simply a Single Divine Creator that I appreciate and stand on equal ground with - in essence "something to believe in". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ShaneF13 (talk • contribs) 03:27, 25 April 2006.
:That's a very positive attitude Shane, and it's certainly an unusual take on Friday 13th, but I'm afraid it's not really suitable for an encyclopedia in its current form! :) MartinRobinson 03:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Contrary 

message: So I added 'Portuguese-speaking' cultures to article's heading. You can see that in the PT version of this article. I can not talk about the "bad luck day" being friday 13th in other cultures, but I guess it's not just in Portugal and Brazil. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NeedABrain (talk • contribs) 
In Hungary too. I thought it is believed to be unlucky everywhere. (does that make me egoculturecentric and is this a word at all? :D) – Alensha talk 19:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is contradicted by the article on 13 in the French Wikipedia. -- Beland 04:18, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Portugal and Brazil it's also Friday 13th 

message: I was always under the impression that 13 in history had been a regarded as a lucky number and that this had a religious basis, Jesus plus the twelve disciples made thirteen. However in victorian times this view changed and 13 became regarded as Judas, is the unlucky thirteenth person in the group. This ties up with the article above about the "Dictionary of Phrase and Fable".
Any thoughts?GazMan7 09:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pagens religions sometimes find 13 to be a lucky number. Something to do with the number of lunar months in a year. But I think thats more of a discussion about the number 13 and not Friday the 13th. ---J.S (t|c) 20:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: :The end of the 13th b'ak'tun (December 12, 2012) is conjectured to have been of great significance to the Maya, but does not necessarily mark the end of the world according to their beliefs, but a time of re-birth. According to the Popol Vuh, a book compiling details of creation accounts known to the Quiché Maya of the colonial-era highlands, we are living in the fourth world. The Popol Vuh describes the first three creations that the gods failed in making and the creation of the successful fourth world where men were placed. The Maya believed that the fourth world would end in catastrophe and the fifth and final world would be created that would signal the end of mankind.
:In reality, the Mayans believed that the world would end on October 13, 4772, which is a Friday. This is confirmed by a date from Palenque, which projects forward in time to 1.0.0.0.0.0. The Classic Period Maya obviously did not believe that the end of this age would occur in 2012, but on this later date.
I removed the above section from the article.  It has no sources so it fails WP:V.  I must also note that the actual start date (and thus the end date) is under debate and the Mayans never actually used "Friday" in there calender so it might not even be relevant. Anyway... the coincidence might warrant mention but we'd need some sources. ---J.S (t|c) 17:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mayan calendar 

message: :The most likely Biblical explanation for Friday the 13th comes from the final plague which God used to bring Egypt to its knees and demonstrate his diety to them and to accomplish the release of His people Isreal. Each of the 10 plagues was a direct revelation/attack on the gods of Egypt. The River Nile was worshipped as a God (it was the life force of Egypt because it irrigated the delta region and provided food) hence it was the 1st "god" that God dealt with. Each of the next plauges also brought down one by one, one of the gods of the Egyptian people (it was a demonstration of YHWH's true diety as opposed to the false diety of the Egyptian gods), and finally with the 10th plague, God brought down Pharoh.
:The first born son of Pharoh died when the angel of death visited the land of Egypt. To the Egyptians, Pharoh was God on earth, and hence to show him to not be god was necessary. The death of the "son of the Egyptian God "Pharoh" is interesting in that it was through the sacrifice of a son, an innocent son, that God's people were freed.
:So, since the Jewish day begins and ends with sundown, the passover took place on the 14th of Nisan. But according to the reckoning of the Egyptian/Gentile calendar, it was Friday night on the 13th of the month. Friday the 13th was the day of deliverance for the people of Isreal from the Egyptian (gentile) perspective. And so it was also a foreshadowing of the deliverance of all God's people, for it was by death of the son of the king (Jesus Christ being the Son of God) that the people were freed from their bondage to sin and eternal death.
:Because this plague took place on the evening of the 13th (it being a Friday as the Jewish Sabboth takes place on Saturday) is why Fridays that fall on the 13th day of the month acquired the superstition that it was a bad day and it is also why the number 13 has a phobia  attached to it.
I removed the above section since it contained no sources and had a POV. however, the author might have a point. Can we find some sources for this and rewrite it with a NPOV? ---J.S (t|c) 18:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  rm section 

message: Donald Dossey, a North Carolina psychologist, coined the term "paraskevidekatriaphobia" 20 years ago. Since he coined it, his spelling should be accepted and alternative spellings deleted as incorrect.
Donald Dossey is alive and well.
The word is simply a concatenation of the Greek words for Friday (Paraskevi), thirteen (dekatria), and fear (phobia).
Source: http://washingtontimes.com/national/20061012-115954-3697r.htm
:Thanks for the source... I think the "alternate" versions were vandalism perhaps. But... if they have popular usage then we can't not mention them. ---J.S (t|c) 04:17, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  paraskevidekatriaphobia 

message: What was wrong with the article on the Mayan Calendar? All I was trying to state was that the Mayan Calendar ends on a Friday the 13th? The only reason you deleted it was because you went to search Friday the 13th today (on wikipedia) and noticed it. This wikipedia article only gets traffic on a Friday the 13th, and since you deleted the Mayan Calendar section, nobody will ever know of it! So whats your reasoning behind the deletion? ---User:daveknockwin 12:26 AM, 14 October 2006 (Central)
:See the section above. Melchoir 05:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mayan Calendar 

message: Did u know that i am a dog who loves to type.  Anyways I think this whole thing about Friday the 13th is stupid what do u guys think?
Reply back
:It dosn't matter, were here to make articles.  Maybe you should check out Dog Food? :) ---J.S (t|c) 03:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DID U KNOW 

message: There seems to be a bit of wheel recreation going on here.  Someone has recently removed a long list of names of celebrities who were born or died on Friday 13th.  This removal hasn't been questioned, but maybe it should have been.  Now, somebody else seems to be starting from scratch with Castro and the Olsen twins.  We need a consensus - do we have such a list, or not.  I vote for YES, and to take the list that was recently removed and reformat it so that names appear once only.  JackofOz 05:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Births and Deaths

message: The "Friday the 13th Snow Storm" is pure fiction. I'm taking it out.
:Reply:
:It is not fiction - Before making such a statement all you had to do was Google something like "Buffalo Friday 13th storm" to find out that you are completely wrong.
Next year in 2007 Friday the 13th is on April 13th and I am born on April 13th.(Munkhzaya Boldbaatar)
:Ummm ok. ---J.S (t|c) 20:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm removing it.