Talk:Ahmad Shah Durrani

message: This long section has little connection with Ahmad Durrani and the relevance of him for the region the section deals with, is unclear.--Severino (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely concur. - LouisAragon (talk) 04:27, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section "Central Asia" 

message: The chosen poetry is faked. It's not the original poem. Its a fabricated post-WWII piece. I would advise to take it down or to replace that section with another poem. In general that section is irrelevant for the article. 46.114.3.91 (talk) 14:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Durrani poetry 

message: Added 
Battle of attock 
Battle of lahore 
Battle of peshwar with citations 
From their respective main articles 
Please take a review 
And suggest some changes  if needed
Thank you. Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa (talk) 15:30, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section 

message: According to Nejatie's The Pearl of Pearls: The Abdālī-Durrānī Confederacy and Its Transformation under Aḥmad Shāh, Durr-i Durrān, "The fact that numerous sources composed in the ruler’s lifetime consistently connect him in his youth to Herat justifies the stance of Ghubār and others that Aḥmad Shāh was, in fact, born in the Herat region, around the time his father passed away and when the Abdālī leadership still exercised authority over the province." Some of the sources cited about Multan seems colonialist, not scholarly. Also, the Encyclopaedia of Islam cited is a tertiary source so it may not be really helpful in such a dispute, as Wikipedia favors scholarly WP:SECONDARY sources. My solution to this dispute would be to mention Herat, the most likely place of birth, in the infobox, but also mention Multan in the body of the article. The opinion of other editors is welcome here. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 07:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing 6 academic sources because they are "colonialist" (whatever that is supposed to mean) or apparently "tertiary" in favour of a PHD thesis is not constructive. In fact, per WP:UNDUE the Multan suggestion should be given more weight. Please read WP:POV. EDIT: For those who are interested in fixing the WP:UNDUE issue of this article, I found even more sources that state he was born in Multan, that's 9 sources now;    --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

text: The removal of high quality sources like Encyclopedia of Islam in order to replace them by a PhD sounds like tendentious editing ...---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 23:09, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I do understand the viewpoint of both sides, however I believe that Abdali may have been born in Herat, my reasoning for this being would be the main point; the Sadozai Sultanate of Herat, where the Sadozai dynasty, under where Ahmad Shah's dynasty ALSO came from, and the region where his father was also likely leading, I believe that Abdali was likely born in Herat because of this, as the Sadozai Sultanate of Herat was a independent nation during the turbulent period that was of Safavid Persia during this period of time, fighting over the concurrent Hotak rebellion, which would attempt to also usurp main Persia. Noorullah21 (talk) 00:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What we believe is irrelevant, this is what 9 scholarly sources state, including EI3. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, even the main source I use, also believes that Ahmad Shah was in fact, born in Multan. Noorullah21 (talk) 00:00, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: For those still interested in rewriting this article per WP:UNDUE and WP:POV, this is the previous revision  before Khestwol removed the vast majority of the citations support a Multan origin, instead of organizing them into one single citation (like the Macedon bit in the lede of Alexander the Great). --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:21, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: As we can see in the earlier version, the refs were poorly formatted, with repetitions, and tagged as "excessive citations" since August 2021. It needed trimming down. Khestwol (talk) 12:33, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, I'll later format them like the afromentioned article. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:38, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes that would be great, thanks HistoryofIran. I think the Early life section can be expanded with more details about his father, mother, and family, from reliable refs. Khestwol (talk) 12:57, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of birth 

message: @HistoryofIran Hey, I am asking users who are occasionally active on these pages, but I am just notifying you guys, that I will likely be working on a revamp on Ahmad Shah's page soon, just like how I did to Timur Shah Durrani, however I might do Zaman Shah Durrani, Mahmud Shah Durrani, and Shah Shuja Durrani, and Dost Mohammad Khan first. As I already revamped the pages, but newer sources I obtained have shed light to expand a lot. Noorullah21 (talk) 00:36, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I was planning on expanding this soon myself, but it seems you may have beat me to it. Please be aware of WP:RS and WP:SPS, I can see some of the sources you have used are not reliable, such as James M. Perry, who is not really a historian. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your notice, however, if you actually plan to expand it yourself, go ahead, I am completely fine with it, I am, well, as you can see currently focused on many other pages as stated above before I can move onto this page, so by all means, if you wish to do it yourself, go ahead. @HistoryofIran Noorullah21 (talk) 01:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @HistoryofIran I began working on revamping the page on my main page in a sub page, you can check it out yourself if you want to see progress so far. Noorullah21 (talk) 04:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: in "sandbox 2" Noorullah21 (talk) 04:27, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible revamp of page 

message: Ahmad Shah had a wife named Mimtta, she was the mother of Timur Shah. Kindly add this. Aurangzayb (talk) 10:31, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Source? --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:32, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wife 

message: Contact in Ocford university 82.5.103.31 (talk) 17:44, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello i am a specialist researcher I have PhD in history and I came to multan and I see lots of profe that amhed Saha was born in multani pls contact me 

message: Yes he was born in Multan. One big family 2604:3D08:987E:0:6D12:F0FC:A929:1BEB (talk) 11:49, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi Professor 

message: A few personalities from Pakistan have been added that stress that they are descendants of Ahamd Shah Abdali just because they share the same last name as him. That's not how it works, Durrani is a large tribe which are often divided by sub-tribes. These people are not a descendant of him, they just belonged to the same tribe as Abdali. This should be removed or revised. Akmal94 (talk) 23:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Familly tree is wrong