Talk:Shavit 2 (sounding rocket)

message: This article seems to be a work of fiction:
#Israel did not launch its first satellite untill 1988.
#The only carrier rockets Israel has used have been called Shavit and Shavit 1. No Shavit 2
#The only reference to a "Shavit 2" I can find is a cancelled commercial programme
#The image is of the launch of a Shavit 1 in 2002, with the Ofek 5 spacecraft
:I have little doubt that, given more time, I could pick more holes in this. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 20:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Slow down. By reading the sources in Hevrew this does not look like nonsense. I am checking it out with rockets expert. Chagai 22:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absolute nonsense 

message: I checked the sources, and all the information is accurate and backed by reliable sources. It is based on the following books in Hebrew:
*רפא"ל - בניבי המחקר והפיתוח לביטחון ישראל, מאת מוניה מרדור, משרד הביטחון, ההוצאה לאור, ת"א, 1980, ע"ע 319-348
*מעל האופק - 50 שנות פעילות ישראלית בחלל, מאת דני שלום, באויר פרסומי תעופה, ת"א, 2003, ע"ע 12-15
The above in English:
* RAFAEL Armament Development Authority... by Munia Merdor, Ministry of Defense publitiong, 1980, pages 319-348.
* Above the Horizon, 50 years of Israel's Space Activity, by Dani Shalom, BaAvir flight publishing, 2003, pages 12-15.
Therefore, I am taking all citation needed out. I am still not sure regarding the picture - continue checking. Chagai 10:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Absolute True

message: "Shavit" was a carrier rocket produced by Israel and South Africa to launch small satellites into low earth orbit. It was first launched in 1988. Its younger brother "Shavit 2" couldn't be born earlier. Nonsense and absurdity go on and forth over and over again in this article. I propose its deletion. --Zack Holly Venturi (talk) 23:09, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a couple of references   that seem to indicate this rocket was real (you have to scroll up slightly on the second one) - so I have removed the prod. Cheers TigerShark (talk) 23:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is ashame you did not bother to look at the refrences I already posted above before you proposed a deletion. I added it to the article. Chagai (talk) 14:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Shavit-2 is the follow-on, more advanced, but probably still classified (because it is based on the top-secret newest, longer-range version of the Jericho missile, probably an IRBM or even ICBM: http://hashmonean.com/2010/08/18/star-wars-israel-charts-ambitious-space-plans/. And while Israel does not need a long-range ICBM to reach Iran, the same missile can be configured to carry a heavier payload on a shorter distance, maybe MIRVs, because the throw-weight is bigger) version of Shavit-1. The references clearly provide false information, or maybe even worse, are conceived for the sole purpose of misleading. After all, Mossad is quite effective in guarding the strategic secrets of Israel. The article with this name should describe a relatively new, heavier launcher, that launched the latest Ofeq satellites (just google Shavit 2, or Jericho III or Israel ICBM), and not some old sounding rocket. Otherwise, it should be deleted--Arado (talk) 19:52, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

text: http://defense-update.com/newscast/0108/news/170108_missile#more, also see Jericho (missile)#Jericho III--Arado (talk) 20:22, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is a practical joke