Talk:Manuel Roxas

message: This article is in dire need of a section dealing with the question and circumstances of his collaboration with the Japanese and the Laurel puppet government, and with the controversy over MacArthur's decision to exonerate him.  The matter of Roxas' arrest by American forces also needs to be more fully explained: Roxas was arrested along with the Chief Justice in the Laurel government and three other Laurel officials; MacArthur declined to intervene on behalf of the other four men despite the fact that they also had given token support to the guerillas.  As Manchester points out, nearly all of the collaborators gave nominal assistance to the guerillas as a way of hedging their bets ("insurance," is the word Manchester uses).   Whether one is sympathetic to Roxas or not, these are major issues that need to be explored, preferably in a separate section, in order to give a full and fair accounting of his life.-PassionoftheDamon (talk) 03:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, you're right. However, content in the article must be verified on reliable sources. The section in question, regarding is political career, is cited to a reliable source (although not available online, not that reliable sources need to be available online). That being said this source might come in handy, it is a reliable source, and might give weight to your concern.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 06:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with both of you. This article is a whitewash of Roxas's wartime career, making it sound he was a resistance leader when he was in he was a Japanese collaborator. Gerhard Weinberg is rightly regarded as one of the leading historians of World War II and his book A World in Arms, which is definitely a reliable source, talks about Roxas as a Japanese collaborator and his knowledge of the rather peculiar gift that President Manuel L. Quezon gave General MacArthur in 1942, which explains why MacArthur intervened to help out after his arrest. If no one objects, I'll like to rewrite that section.--A.S. Brown (talk) 04:50, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Collaboration with Japanese

message: I'm new to Wikipedia, so I don't exactly know what the procedures are with regards to making claims of this kind. I feel that the article as it stands (28 Feb 2011) is very biased in favor of Roxas. Examples of unabashedly positive characterizations or unsubstantiated positive claims follow:
Early life and career: "...and subsequently topped the first bar examinations with a grade of 92%, becoming the first ever bar topnotcher of the Philippines." (Based on what source?)
Congressional Career/House of Reps/House Speakership: "The Roxas potential for national leadership became evident when he was elected President of the national league of governors during his term as provincial head." (Why does this need to be in here? It could simply be said that he was elected President of the national league of governors...)
Presidency/First President of the Third Republic: "...Philippine Independence from the United States proclaimed, amidts plaudits and prayers of some 300,000 people, 21-gun salute and joyous echoes of church bells." (Plaudits and prayers? Joyous echoes of church bells?)
Presidency/Domestic policies: "President Roxas, with bold steps, met the situation with the same confidence he exuded in his inaugural address..." (I feel like this is an advert or something.)
Presidency/Reconstruction after the war: "...the Hukbalahaps and brigands terrorized towns and barrios. (No matter your opinion of the Huks, characterizing them as having terrorized towns seems fairly one-sided, especially given Roxas' own heavy-handed crackdown on them.)
Presidency/Amnesty proclamation: He "granted full amnesty to all so-called Philippine collaborators..." and "The presidential decision did much to heal a standing wound that somehow threatened to divide the people's sentiments. It was a much-called for measure to bring about a closer unity in the trying times when such was most needed for the progress of the nation." (I feel like a broken record: this sounds like an advertisement for Manuel Roxas.)
Presidency/HUKS Outlawed: "Utterly disgusted with the crimes being committed," and "in possession of the incontrovertible evidence of the subversive character of [the Huks]," he "issued a Proclamation outlawing Huks' movement, making it a crime to belong to the same. The declaration was hailed by all responsible and peace-loving elements." (Once again, no matter what your personal opinion of the Huks, this is CLEARLY biased towards Roxas. All responsible and peace-loving elements?! This is supposed to be an encyclopedia...)
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There's more, but that's the bulk of what I found. I have no special qualifications to make 
changes, besides being an interested student of Philippine history, but this seems outrageous.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.195.27.224 (talk) 02:03, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a old thread, but the IP is right here. Much of the language in this article is clearly not neutral. The part about amnesty for those Filipinos who collaborated as being part of much needed national healing process really does stick out. And the IP is right here that the way this article presents all of the crimes during the Huk rebellion as being the work of the Huks is very highly problematic to say the least. This section really does need a rewrite. --A.S. Brown (talk) 03:13, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased Article 

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message: This information is about the three offspring of President Roxas who were born out of wedlock, namely, (a) Rosario "Charo" McIlvain Roxas, born September 5, 1927, married to Francis G. Moran (deceased); (b) Manuel "Manny" McIlvain Roxas, born September 1, 1928, married to Mercedes Sunico Rufino (deceased)  and subsequently to  Antonita Tabudlong Bustos; and (c) Consuelo "Chelo" McIlvain Roxas , born on November 19, 1928, married to Angel Javellana (deceased).  Their mother was Juanita Muriedas McIlvain, deceased.
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manny roxas  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manoling1 (talk • contribs) 04:25, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional new information re other offspring of President Roxas 

message: So Roxas' reign as president was third shortest? Whose reigns were shorter? 173.55.37.52 (talk) 04:38, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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