Talk:MTR/Archive 3

message: In the infobox, I removed the reference to 'narrow gauge' and replaced it with 'near standard gauge'. Let me explain why I did this: While 1432 mm is indeed 3 mm narrower than standard gauge, it is much closer to standard gauge in size than typical narrow gauge systems which are frequently 1067 mm. I also felt it made more sense to label it 'near standard gauge' because MTR trains can in fact run on 1435 mm gauge, albeit at reduced speed. Furthermore, the article for Railway gauge already lists MTR under standard gauge and the narrow gauge page mentions early that "in practice, most presently existing narrow gauge railways have gauges of 3 ft 6 in (1067 mm) or less" so I felt it also made sense for consistency. -- Stephen Mok 09:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rail gauge 

message: I have noticed that some anonymous user with several similar IP addresses has been adding loads of negative comments in the article. Therefore, I have reverted it. Anyone know who might he be? I am sure that saying things like "MTR is a moneymaking organization" and other false information like "the Shatin Central Link" will be built by the KCR are all wrong. (KCR was awarded the rights to build this line) Source: LegCO
Oh, and a further point, one of the IP addresses has already been caught vandalizing another page. So, there really is a reason for concern.
--Kylohk 13:45, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "MTR is a moneymaking organization" Isn't it? Well don't tell the shareholders! ;) --Stephen Mok 17:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Could you stop putting WP:POV statements into the article? enochlau (talk) 16:54, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suspicious IP Address 

message: I think that this article should be redirected to Mass Transit Railway so that it will not be confused with other similar words/abbreviations. Also, instead of creating another page for disambiguation, the page MTR can be used. Acs4b 08:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It has always been called MTR, especially since the Mass Transit Railway Corporation was renamed MTR Corporation Limited and traded in the stock market. Mass Transit Railway now only exists in the ordinance, and probably nowhere else. — Instantnood 20:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A change in the company name dosent mean it has an effect on the name of the system. The "SMRT" in SMRT Corporation once stood for "Singapore Mass Rapid Transit" too, but the MRT still stands for "Mass Rapid Transit" today, so this is nothing extraordinary. Which "ordinance" are you refering to, btw?--Huaiwei 12:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect to Mass Transit Railway   

message: *Support rename to MTR (metro).  This is based on the statement above that Mass Transit Railway is not the correct name and a need to dab this title and move the dab page here.  It would be hard to justify a rail system in one country as the primary use of a TLA page.  Vegaswikian 22:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support 

message: *oppose. As the reason Instantnood has stated. Also Hong Kong English speakers rarely address the system in full name or "metro". It is appropriate to remain the title in its well-known acronym MTR -- Sameboat - 同舟 18:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oppose 

message: For any regulars, I reported it to AIV here... in case you want to follow up or watch those IPs. thanks. - Denny 17:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism today 

message: "MTR Hello Kitty Dream Wedding" and "MTR HONG KONG Race Walking" are worth mentioned in the article. — HenryLi (Talk) 04:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Community events 

message: Not sure how many of you interested editors are aware, but the article is under FAR right now.  Please help make sure it retains its FA status.  Wikipedia:Featured article review/MTR.  And there seems to be some problems that editors participating on the FAR are noticing that I can't seem to see.
#No spaces between numbers and their units of measure.
#Non-standardised date formats - some are using the "yyyy-mm-dd" format while others are using the "month day, year" format.
#Hyphens and/or dashes are incorrectly used per WP:DASH.
#Lines with colours are used outside of the "Network" section.
I can't seem to find these problems but they have been mentioned on the FAR.  Please help.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article review 

message: *Support. The current setup may "be fine" for those looking for other meanings to the abbreviation MTR, but this continues to violate wikipedia policy, and forces all users to artificially believe that the term leans more to one entity than it really do. That this is the third time a move request is made is telling enough. Note practically all oppose votes in this and previous move requests are HKers, or have a keen interest in that city, and all fail to demonstrate the fact that the rail network in HK does not have exclusive use of this abbreviation. Wikipedia is not a democracy, and popular votes most not be seen as a valid reason to circumvent wikipedia guidelines or policies.--Huaiwei 12:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: *Oppose, per my opinion in the last poll done.  MTR is the name used officially by the government and the corporation itself. Terence Ong 04:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *So what? One of the listed articles on the dab page is a major city. It may be the official name, but it dosen't make it the most common usage. — Selmo (talk) 04:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: **Okay... Terence Ong 04:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Which one's is the major city? I have clicked on every link on the MTR (dab) page and none of them are directly about a major city. The closest is the link to Montreal, Quebec; however, this is just a reference to Amtrak reservations system code MTR being assigned to Montreal and not actually a widely-used abbreviation for Montreal. Luke! 04:45, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Montreal is seldom referred as MTR. Terence Ong 04:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: How would you react to a move proposal from Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) to MRT?--Huaiwei 16:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose

message: Move Supporters	Not knowledgeable about MTR	Move Opponents  	Knowledgeable about MTR
Move Request #1	Move Request #1            	Move Request #1 	Move Request #1
Huaiwei        	No                         	Instantnood     	Yes
               	                           	Shinjiman       	Yes
               	                           	Knowledge Seeker	No
               	                           	Enochlau        	Yes
               	                           	Mcy jerry       	Yes
               	                           	Terence Ong     	Somewhat
               	                           	Novacatz        	Yes
               	                           	Mailer Diablo   	No
               	                           	Xavier114fch    	Yes
               	                           	Novacatz        	Yes
               	                           	Mailer Diablo   	No
               	                           	Xavier114fch    	Yes
Move Request #2	Move Request #2            	Move Request #2 	Move Request #2
Selmo          	No                         	Sameboat        	Yes
Vegaswikian    	No                         	Herenthere      	Yes
Huaiwei        	No                         	enochlau        	Yes
Mark83         	No                         	Willkm          	Unclear
               	                           	Insanephantom   	Yes
               	                           	Terence Ong     	Somewhat
Move Request #3	Move Request #3            	Move Request #3 	Move Request #3
Selmo          	No                         	Terence Ong     	Somewhat
Huaiwei        	No                         	HongQiGong      	Yes
               	                           	Luckyluke       	Yes
               	                           	enochlau        	Yes
               	                           	Raphaelmak      	Yes
               	                           	HenryLi         	Yes
*Disclaimer:  I do not make any conclusive comment with my table. I leave it to the viewer to decide for himself.  Cheers.  :-)  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
This debate has been tainted by attempts to classify the voters, which could only be used in an attempt to denigrate one side of the argument, and commits the ad hominem fallacy. The validity of a move request is determined by the arguments presented, not by whether the proponents are familiar with the topic in day-to-day life. I apologise for allowing this request to fall through the gaps in the WP:RM procedure.
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 08:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  table of bias 

message: I did some quick research and found that "Mass Transit Railway" has been commonly used by the HK government. E.g:
* http://www.info.gov.hk/hkfacts/rail-e.pdf, a December 2006 document, quote "Mass Transit Railway (MTR) system ..."
*  The Transport Department website itself uses the full name.
There are many other examples , including government bill/ordinance in 1996, 1998, 2000 . Thus, I'm not sure why "Mass Transit Railway" does not qualify as the name of the transport system. It seems that when refering to the system (not the operator), MTR is an abbreviation. Cheers. --Vsion 04:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a reference remains untouched as parallel to the case of MTR, please check VAL and its disambiguation page Val. -- Sameboat - 同舟 14:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How does the case of MTR compare with VAL, the later of which is a type of metro system used in various locations around the world?--Huaiwei 14:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: So as RER, and FIFA and NATO. Passer-by (talk) 15:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And your point being?--Huaiwei 15:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I guess his point is that RER, FIFA and NATO are abbreviations, yet their respective articles use the abbreviations as their names, like MTR. And at least MTR can compare with RER (as names of mass transit systems). --Raphaelmak 16:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Listing a whole bunch of abbreviations which have obvious global notability does not lend any weight to the case of MTR, unless you are claiming MTR is as notable as FIFA and NATO, or that these two do not fulfill criterion as set in Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Prefer_spelled-out_phrases_to_abbreviations and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (abbreviations)? RER is an interesting point thou. It is Réseau Express Régional when spelt out in full. If you can show the French phrase is commonly used in English enough to support its use, and that any entry in RER (disambiguation) have any fighting chance of being notable enough, than there is nothing to stop you from requesting a page move as well.--Huaiwei 16:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Mass Transit Railway" is rarely used in English too. It's not about whether it's an English or a French phrase. - Privacy 21:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A phrase in English and a phrase in French are treated differently. You opt to highlight an abbreviation of a French phrase, so could you care to comment on that?--Huaiwei 15:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Govt. uses "Mass Transit Railway" 

message: Mailer diablo, could you comment on why you deleted so much content without discussion?  I understand that you did it for the FAR, but would it not be better to restructure instead of delete?  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, you're right, it's more of a restructure than a deletion.  Nevermind.  :-)  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass deletion 

message: Anybody see that Argyle was misspelled? -ysw1987 | Talk 19:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, you're right. You have great vision! I left a msg for Mtrkwt. -Herenthere (Talk) 20:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's over two weeks for this issue, thus I have corrected the typo and uploaded a corrected version as well. Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 16:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha, pity there are no spellcheck features in Photoshop!--Kylohk 00:48, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Modified Initial System Route Map