Talk:Asana/Archive 1

message: I question if the article should be linking to a commercial site's store section (twice, under Yoga Asana (Poses or Postures))
--68.107.236.198
:The intention of the links was not to advertise, but to provide persons reading the article a referral to a point of purchase from which they might be able to aquire material in which they might be interested.  Believe me, I thought about it before doing it.  As it wasn't Amazon, or something, but rather a legitmate non-profit Yoga-affiliated organization, I went ahead with the links. Mjformica 12:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia as an advertising medium?

message: I've basically deleted a whole volume of text within 'selected asanas', seeing as their now seems to be a list of asanas section, and people are at work filling in all of the asanas, which is a monumental, but truly worthy task. I will try and help with it. --Krsnajinana 20:51, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean-up

message: see also's are important for navigation purpose, someone who comes here should find some ways to go. i dont understand removal. That yoga template is nothing but useless for someone who doesnt know sanskrit or indian languages. Please keep it. thanks. Lara_bran 06:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  see also 

message: There is some discussion on the name of this article. This poll suggest three options, originating from the discussion: "Asana", "Yogasana" or "Yoga asana". If you are acquainted with the subject, you are invited to drop your opinion below. Please don't add more than 8 words as a maximum to understate your opinion, to not loose overview. If you think that more comments are necessary, you can remark at a section above or start a new one below. Davin7 09:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Today's rename to asana: today this article has been renamed back to it's orginal name 'asana'. For the good order, the poll stays open until the 13th of September as stated above. 17:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion Poll on this article's name 

message: * Davin7 09:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Asana"

message: *Lara_bran 09:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Yogasana"

message: *I am voting for this. The proper name is yoga asana, I believe. Cheers, Laleena 00:32, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Today's rename to asana: today this article has been renamed back to it's orginal name 'asana'. For the good order, the poll stays open until the 13th of September as stated above. 17:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Yoga asana"

message: I have issued a request for protection of this page until the edit war between Davin7 and several other editors can be resolved.
It is my humble and considered opinion that the constant reversion and re-reversion of this article is disruptive, and many of the edits by all parties present misinformation and may mislead the reader.
I would also humbly request that, until the protection request is reviewed people check their egos, and refrain from editing the artcle in any way.  I have reverted the last two changes.  --Sadhaka 11:11, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I take that back.  I wrote this before I made the changes and it would appear someone beat me to it. --Sadhaka 11:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yet another call for protection 

message: Well finally things get clear about the aggressive approaches lately: User:69.120.118.244 = User:Sadhaka = User:Empacher = User:EmpacherPuppet = User:DashaKat. This user comes from Richardson, TX, as are the series of anonymous edits done in the article at that moment.
*15:28 User:Empacher, page deleted on request
*15:32 User:Empacher, talk page deleted on request
*15:29 User:EmpacherPuppet, page deleted on request
*15:33 User:EmpacherPuppet talk page deleted on request
*15:28 User:DashaKat, page deleted on request
*15:30 User:Sadhaka, page deleted on request
*15:33 User:Sadhaka, talk page deleted on request
Davin7 (talk) 17:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sock puppet 

message: Article needs cleanup, newcomers dont confuse it with clean it up. Rearrange contents and make it less "how to". The article should be encyclopedic, avoid/change tone of "how to" contents, avoid deleting contents. You can refer to WP:MOS Lara_bran 05:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope to have cleaned up the main article in such a way now, that it will lose my former estimation of it being a moderate one. I added some more pictures too. - Davin7 13:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like some other place now :) Lara_bran 04:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I have moved images to List of yoga postures, here not so many images necessary in the gallary. It is an article, not a list. Thanks. Lara_bran 08:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The images are functional here. Davin7 11:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I noticed the edit comment about the asthetics of the Half Lotus picture.  Wikipedia is not about how it looks, it's about the information.  Asana are seated postures, as described in the Yoga Sutra, therefore, as seated posture should be represented as the lead graphic.  In fact, neither one of those pictures is correct...it should be Sukkhasana/Siddhasana, not Padmasana or Ardha Padmasana. --69.177.114.230 11:19, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asthetics 

message: Editors with an interest in working collaboratively to improve the encyclopedic quality of Yoga-related articles are encouraged to visit a new project to achieve this at WP:WikiProject_Yoga. Please let us know you're interested, and in what way: we look forward to discussing thing with you there,   Trev M   ~   01:15, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki Project Yoga 

message: Hello, Asana article writers and editors. This article currently a priority article for the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine/Google Project. The goal of this project to is provide a useful list of suggested revisions to help promote the expansion and improvement of this article.  
BSW-RMH (talk) 04:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Review Comments 

message: The first paragraph of the introduction is a good overview of the article. I recommend moving the second and third paragraphs to the section entitled “Third of the eight limbs”, and renaming this section “Terminology”. 
BSW-RMH (talk) 04:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction

message: Renaming this section “Terminology” would allow discussion of the definition and origin of the word “asana”, and its position of third of the eight limbs.  This title also is more inclusive of the definitions of the other limbs that are included in this section.
BSW-RMH (talk) 04:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Third of the eight limbs

message: A reference is needed for the list of common practices. The last three points do not seem to fit in the list. If authors feel there is a debate in the field about practicing yoga during menstruation, this should be discussed separately and be well-referenced. Otherwise this should be removed. Also, yoga practice on mats may be common in yoga classes, especially in the USA, but is this common practice in the rest of the world, particularly India? I personally do not know and it would be good for other editors to weigh in a reach a consensus on whether this is a ‘common practice’. Finally, the admonition to not ‘go for a sleep’ seems humorous, but out of place in a Wikipedia article.
Suggested references for the rest of the common practices:
*B.K.S. Iyengar. Light on Yoga: The Bible of Modern Yoga. Schocken; Revised edition (January 3, 1995) 
* T. K. V. Desikachar. The Heart of Yoga: Developing a Personal Practice. Inner Traditions; Revised edition (March 1, 1999) 
The discussion of pranayama is a bit technical for a lay reader. A more practical description of breathing practices would be beneficial here.
BSW-RMH (talk) 04:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Common practices

message: This sections required citations throughout. When claiming health benefits, they must be verifiable with medical evidence. Anecdotal evidence and unverified claims of health benefits should not be included. I recommend removing unverifiable claims and modifying the claims of health benefits as follows:
Original benefits list (with comments):
*muscle flexibility (flexibility involves more than just muscles, ref added below)
*tendon strength (overall body strength, ref added below)
*stamina (did not find support for this)
*better functioning of respiratory system (Asthma and COPD, see below)
*empirical evidence suggests it helps control blood pressure and other issues related to the functioning of the circulatory system  (hypertension, see below)
*improvement in health problems related to stress (refs added, see below)
*It can aid in the improvement of concentration with school, in the workforce, and everyday activities.(did not find evidence for this)
*Can help with dieting and losing weight (refs below)
New benefits list (with references):
*improved flexibility (Ross 2010, Hayes 2010)
*improved strength (Ross 2010, Hayes 2010)
*improved balance (Ross 2010, Hayes 2010)
*reduced stress and anxiety (Ross 2010, Hayes 2010)
*reduced symptoms of lower back pain (Ross 2010, Hayes 2010)
*beneficial for asthma and Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) (Hayes 2010, Ross 2010)
*increased energy/decreased fatigue (Ross 2010, Hayes 2010)
*shortens labor and improves birth outcomes (Hayes 2010)
*improved physical and quality of life measure sin the elderly (Hayes 2010)
*improved diabetes management (Alexander 2008)
*reduced sleep disturbances (Ross 2010, Gooneratne 2008)
*reduced hypertension (Silverberg 1990, Labarthe 2002)
References:
* Hayes M, Chase S. Prescribing yoga. Prim Care. 2010 Mar;37(1):31-47. 
* Ross A, Thomas S. The health benefits of yoga and exercise: a review of comparison studies. J Altern Complement Med. 2010 Jan;16(1):3-12. 
*Alexander GK, Taylor AG, Innes KE, Kulbok P, Selfe TK. Contextualizing the effects of yoga therapy on diabetes management: a review of the social determinants of physical activity. Fam Community Health. 2008 Jul-Sep;31(3):228-39. 
* Gooneratne NS. Complementary and alternative medicine for sleep disturbances in older adults. Clin Geriatr Med. 2008 Feb;24(1):121-38, viii. 
* Silverberg DS. Non-pharmacological treatment of hypertension. J Hypertens Suppl. 1990 Sep;8(4):S21-6. 
* Labarthe D, Ayala C. Nondrug interventions in hypertension prevention and control. Cardiol Clin. 2002 May;20(2):249-63. 
BSW-RMH (talk) 04:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Benefits of practice

message: These two sections could be combined an retitled “Numbers of positions”. Thus the discussion on the possible numbers of positions, in the historical and legal contexts, fit into this section. This section also needs copyediting.
BSW-RMH (talk) 04:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Variety of positions & Asana Database

message: I searched the Traditional Knowledge Digital Library and there are no matches for asanas, or postures, or yoga. Where can I find the 900 asanas?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.194.103 (talk) 02:30, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been suggested that this article be merged with the 84 Classic Yoga Asanas article. Follow the link to discuss the topic. Morganfitzp (talk) 22:02, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  the 900 asanas 

message: I propose that the 84 Classic Yoga Asanas article [] be merged into this article. I think that the content in the 84 Asanas article can easily be explained in the context of of this Asana article, which is of a reasonable size, so that the merger will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. I propose that the whole of the 84 Classic Yoga Asanas article be placed at the top of the section, "Number of positions" in this article, and that the current text in this section would simply follow the 84 Asanas text. I think it would read well. We would possibly give a heading to the last paragraph on patenting asanas, to break up this longish run of text. The subject of patenting is a somewhat different topic and probably deserves its own section. EMP (talk 22:04, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified  on Asana. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110903221119/http://omnamo.narod.ru:80/gorakshapaddhati.html to http://omnamo.narod.ru/gorakshapaddhati.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110903221119/http://omnamo.narod.ru:80/gorakshapaddhati.html to http://omnamo.narod.ru/gorakshapaddhati.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 09:59, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Asana. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added  tag to http://www.yoga.com/ydc/enlighten/enlighten_document.asp?ID=354§ion=9&cat=144
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110903221119/http://omnamo.narod.ru/gorakshapaddhati.html to http://omnamo.narod.ru/gorakshapaddhati.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 06:50, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This article has been submitted for GA review, but I was wondering whether too much content in this article is based on less reliable sources, making it difficult to reach GA status. I have noticed that many of the sources used in the article are yoga school websites and journals, not secondary sources by (what Wikipedia regards as) reliable publishers.--Farang Rak Tham  (Talk) 06:36, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: For example, there are 18 instances where the Yoga Journal is used as a source.--Farang Rak Tham  (Talk) 06:38, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for your concern. The matter is one for the GA reviewer, who is of course able to request changes to sourcing, but I'll note here that "secondary" is always relative; YJ would be a primary source on matters concerning that journal, but it is secondary on matters concerning, say, different schools of yoga, and it is reliable in that it checks its facts and maintains a stable public record of its published articles. The use of material from schools is possible in some situations, such as statements of a school's own practice or philosophy, acknowledged to be their point of view, or plain matters of fact such as their location and the name of their founder, on which they are unlikely to be mistaken. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:04, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:   But in the case that secondary sources by independent publishers are available, they should be used, instead of primary sources that are not independent of the subject. This subject is very broad, so many sources by scholars or journalists should be available.--Farang Rak Tham  (Talk) 09:06, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I was reflecting today that I should review the use of sources in the hope of finding unchallengeable alternatives in the few cases where at the moment some explanation may be needed. The sources used are already numerous, varied, and in the main rock-solid. I believe all of them are already defensible, but a review may well be productive in putting the matter beyond any possible dispute. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:09, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've had a look right through, added several more RS, and cut down the YJ from 18 instances to 7, namely the ones where either it was just giving a platform to an independent authority, or it was using its undoubted knowledge of modern yoga to make comparisons, as of different schools. Hope this sets your mind at rest. ओम शांति Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:22, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Great! If you can bear with my nitpicking reviewing style, I can do the GA review. I have done 30 reviews of mostly religious topics. I can continue with this review after I have finished the others I am doing now, if you like me to.--Farang Rak Tham  (Talk) 14:26, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, good. But not too nitpicking, I hope! Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:27, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

text: If you are ready and okay with my reviewing style, I am willing to start the review now, .--14:13, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

text: Ping failed, .--Farang Rak Tham  (Talk) 14:14, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Let's go for it, then! Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:28, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sufficient reliable sources for GA status?