Talk:Agha Petros

message: Which League of Nations peace conference took place in 1923??? If this is not specified, I think the sentence should be removed. Nightworker 23:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  LoN peaceconference 

message: This article has been revised to eliminate duplication from this site, which does not carry a release. I concur with Nightworker above--I can't find any sign of a 1923 peace conference. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  External site duplication 

message: The previous version mentionned that Petros Elia died of poisoning. Does anyone have a reference about that? In France, it is known that he died of a heart attack on his way back from patronizing a prostitute. — Cimsam (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  15:57, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Mr Jermiz. I guess one will be able to find some infos about it in the archives of some newspapers in Toulouse. It may be not easy for someone who doesn't live in France. Anyway, I know someone who collected some articles concerning Petros' stay in France. One day I'll try to have a look into them and put a link to them here.— Cimsam (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  16:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Died of poisoning? 

message: Is the photograh featured on the article an official one or a public relations one?
It is interesting in the sense that it gives an insight into the acumen for communication with which Petros Elia built his own image of a « heroic general / nationalist». In the Middle East he had no official uniform at all and there are no records of his being awarded military medals. Yet this widely-circulated picture portrays him in a borrowed uniform and decorations designed to impress gullible people. In France there is a law against wearing in public unawarded decorations, but none against buying them or wearing them for acting in a theatrical play. — Cimsam (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  16:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still eager to read some reliable sources in English concerning Petros medals. — Cimsam (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  16:15, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, we can't have everything in English can we? He was an Assyrian and much about him is written in Arabic and Persian. Rafy talk 01:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  An official photograph? 

message: I read in several places, including good articles, that Petros would have received official decorations. Especially the French Légion d'Honneur. Does someone know under which name he did obtain it ? The official database of the Légion d'Honneur, among 380 415 files, doesn't refer to any Petros, Elia, Elloff... In France there is a law against wearing in public unawarded decorations, but none against buying them or wearing them for acting in a theatrical play. People who would be more documented are invited to bring here some information about this.— Cimsam (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  18:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still eager to read some reliable sources in English concerning Petros medals. — Cimsam (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  16:15, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, we can't have everything in English can we? He was an Assyrian and much about him is written in Arabic and Persian. Rafy talk 01:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Légion d'Honneur 

message: I am glad to read this true-to-life biography. What a change from the prevalent image of a "heroic nationalist" !
His bodyguard at the Lausanne conference was Taver Challo,  a relative of mine.
Taver was a skilled wrestler and a sharpshooter. It was said that he would unsheath his gun, aim and fire and hit the mark in the wink of an eye.
Well, on returning from the Lausanne Conference , Taver was disillusionned about the future of Assyrians. He recalled that "Agha Petros" was not really concerned about Assyrians and that he did not defend their cause with conviction. Taver mentionned that at one time, "Agha" Petros brought about the issue of his own future ("What will become of me ?"). Perhaps he had in mind that the Allied owed him a retirement pension, who knows ?
However, I have retained an anecdote that will probably arouse the interest of some.
Some time after the establishment of "Agha" Petros, his family and some Assyrian families on the grounds of Novital Castle, a bunch of (important) Assyrian men came to Novital.
My family has remembered that "Agha" Petros required that those Assyrians (from abroad) sign a special document (I don't know what it was about, but hopefully, this document can be retrieved somehow).
The Assyrian visitors vehemently refused to sign that document and decided to leave the place.
However, "Agha" Petros' brother, who was ambushed behind the door, stopped them at gunpoint. "Agha" Petros then forced them to sign the document, which they did under threat. False information: Agha Petros brother named Agha Mirza died on may 3rd 1921 near Baghdad, and had never been in France.
Hardly was "Agha" Petros in possession of the said document when he hurried to the post-office in Toulouse (and not in Saint-Jory, which was closer), probably to prevent interception and kept the Assyrian visitors secluded three days and nights in Novital.
He let them go three days later, when he deemed that the letter, which was sent to England, had reached its destination or was free from interception anyway.
I do not know what that document was about, but one might venture to guess that it was a letter of relinquishing the ownership of Novital to "Agha" Petros himself.
I wish this document could be unearthed somehow. It could be in the archives of the Charity that Doctor Gilly (or Gillie ? / Guilly ?) was working for, the Red Cross I think.
Indeed Doctor Gilly helped in the purchase of Novital for the purpose of establishing an Assyrian "refugee-village", but it did not turn out that way.
"Agha" Petros probably needed to justify that Assyrians no longer wanted to settle in Novital and that they were "willingly" leaving the ownership to him.
I urge historians or interested researchers to look for that document.
82.127.60.77 (talk) 10:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ownership of Novital Castle 

message: Reading what happened to Assyrian leaders in Novital Castle brought to my mind what follows:
I happen to be an Assyrian and I had the pleasure to meet in Toulouse A lady called Mrs Evas -still alive at this writing- who told me the following story.
Her father was a rich Assyrian tradesman from Iran who came to settle in France prior to World War One.
He was very rich and he bought a castle near Gagnac and Lacourtensour (in the vicinity of Toulouse).
Well, he was approached (after World War One) by Agha Petros himself who asked him : "How much did you pay for your castle ?".
When Mr Evas told him the amount, Agha Petros asked him to sign a paper stating that the price of a castle (at the time) was  TWICE  the amount he had mentionned.
In spite of Agha Petros' insistence (and threats) Mr Evas utterly refused to comply to that.
So Agha Petros plotted to have him murdered bythe Assyrian warriors that were with him (Novital had not been bought yet).
Among those warriors, was a Mikael Sliva, who had been trained by the British (it seems). Well Mikael Sliva did not want to take part in that scheme and went to warn Mr. Evas of what Agha Petros had in store for him.
Well the plot fizzled out and Mr Evas even promised his daughter in marriage to Mikael Sliva.
Actually Mikael Sliva died some time later in an accident of his own making and is buried in Toulouse ...
Well, this story sounds very much in line with what has been written about Agha Petros.
— Nishra d'jilu (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  09:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  strange behaviour 

message: Does anyone know an English version of this book ? It would be useful in order to verify the reference. — Cimsam (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.  12:11, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Senchar 

message: There are accounts of Agha Petros committing atrocities too, these should be mentioned as well. In 'Shattering Empires: the Clash and Collapse of the Ottoman and Russian Empires', p. 158-159:
"The British Major E.W.C. Noel described "the extermination of the town of Rowanduz and the wholesale massacre of its [Muslim] inhabitants", by what he dubbed the "Christian Army of Revenge" of Agha Petros as one example of a long record of outrages perpetrated by Russia and its allies that, he asserted, could easily match that of the Turks."
He was involved in massacres in Urmia in 1918 as well. Znertu (talk) 12:59, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massacres 

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