Talk:Nintendo DS/Archive 4

message: In the Marketing section one paragraph sais the US price was dropped from $149.99 to $129.99 in August. then in the prcing history section below that it sais the price was dropped in November. Neither section has sources. What is the best way to confirm one way or the other? --Scyth02 16:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting Pricing Dates 

message: The original DS is no longer supported by Nintendo, nor is it sold any longer. I think the page should be converted to DS Lite specs, and images. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by YSHOULDUKNOW123 (talk • contribs) .
: There's already a DS Lite page. This one is for the original DS. Ex-Nintendo Employee 13:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: nintendo no longer supports the NES so it should be converted to wii specs. it doesnt really work like that. there should be a link to it at the top though. -- Numberwang 14:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

text: As was stated above, there's already a DS Lite page. This one is for the original DS. There is no need to excessively put information about the Lite here, the same way that there is no need to put a picture of a Game Boy Color onto the Game Boy page. Ex-Nintendo Employee 05:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to note that a GameBoy and GameBoy color are VASTLY different technologically, while a DS Lite is essentially a variant upon the original DS.  It's more like, say, a GameBoy Pocket compared to the original GameBoy, or a GameBoy Advance SP compared to an original GameBoy Advance.  And I personally would like to see the GameBoy Pocket and GBA SP with their respective counterparts.  MasterXiam 23:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Is "obesolete" meant to be a pun? Unlike the slim PS2, we have a whole separate article for the DS Lite, and while this article provides some overall coverage for the DS platform, it is also the main article for the original device. I think that just as with the :Game Boy, readers will be able to find the model they were looking for just fine with the current scheme. Dancter 20:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The original DS is still available in stores and from Nintendo directly.  It's not completely dead yet. Tim 17:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo DS Lite 

message: I think we need some pictures of the DS as it was at E3 2004. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seloth (talk • contribs) .
:There was one, but was a copyvio. -- ReyBrujo 01:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  E3 04 pics 

message: The pic  recently posted into the article doesn't seem to convey the size of the two units correctly, if I look at .  The ubergizmo pic shows the DS reaching the outside of the PSP's "shoulder" buttons.  Is one of them incorrect? --Oscarthecat 17:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The previous image, :Image:PSP and DS.jpg, was a real life comparison. The new one, :Image:DS compared to PSP.PNG, is an artistic representation. I had reverted it to the previous one, but the author of the artistic representation reverted back. I agree that it is not accurate, and should be replaced with :Image:PSP and DS.jpg. -- ReyBrujo 17:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know it was for a size comparison... From the looks of how you had it in the page, it just seemed like you were showing a view of the main competitor and the subject... YSHOULDUKNOW123 20:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Can we agree that having the original pic :Image:PSP and DS.jpg is a good idea then, as it gives a realistic comparison of the platform sizes? --Oscarthecat 20:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with that. -- ReyBrujo 20:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually am re-sizing the PSP in my image, so there is no need to! :) YSHOULDUKNOW123 20:57, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... but what is wrong with the original one? Just wondering. You know, there is no need for replacing free images with free images, especially when one is a real life picture and another just a representation. As an example, it is like replacing a free picture of a human patting an elephant used to compare size with two images, an elephant and a human, pasted together to show the same. The real life image is always better. -- ReyBrujo 21:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmm(2)....I agree with ReyBrujo on this.  Not sure manually resizing it is a good idea.  We still end up with a "photoshopped" image, rather than a "real world, side by side" image.  --Oscarthecat 21:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I changed it so that we could have one that was more neat and clean, instead of having one that has poor lighting, and a wooden table backround. Just making it more professional. YSHOULDUKNOW123 06:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The images arn't a very good comparison, the top screen isn't flat down. Solidsnake204 21:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I've updated the image twice, making major concerns to sharpness. It's now even more sharp than the original! YSHOULDUKNOW123 06:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, I find the attempts to make the images more professional somewhat of a step backwards. I'm much more concerned about accurate representations, and the heavy airbrush approach just isn't doing it for me. Edges are uneven with the detail trimmed off, surface details and textures are washed out, proportions are a little off, the text looks like it was drawn in manually... This probably looks better for people who aren't really looking at the images, but for people who are using the images for informative purposes, the images don't cut it. You might as well just draw the image at that point, like what was done for the Wii Remote. Dancter 08:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agh, these new images are incredibly fuzzy. It's very difficult to gauge an accurate bearing on the appearance of these items if you can't see them clearly. Furthermore, the Game and Watch image looks like it's merely had the top part cropped- you can see that the D-Pad on the system retains the "bent" appearance that the prior picture only had due to perspective. Ex-Nintendo Employee 12:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, you can have your glare, and your fuzzyness (I'm absolutely sure that mine is more sharp than the original), and your scratches on the metal of the system. The glare on that photo is so bad you can't read Donkey Kong, nor Nintendo... YSHOULDUKNOW123 22:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text: We don't want to give readers the impression that the Game and Watch system in question had melted. Sockatume 17:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size comparison 

message: I also believe the original image of Game & Watch is a bit better because it has a better focus than the new one. I am putting this threaded below the size topic because I think the new is based in the original one, if so then the upper side of the machine was modified, explaining the blurry effect. Opinions? -- ReyBrujo 21:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the image twice, making major concerns to sharpness. It's now even more sharp than the original! YSHOULDUKNOW123 06:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, I find the attempts to make the images more professional somewhat of a step backwards. I'm much more concerned about accurate representations, and the heavy airbrush approach just isn't doing it for me. Edges are uneven with the detail trimmed off, surface details and textures are washed out, proportions are a little off, the text looks like it was drawn in manually... This probably looks better for people who aren't really looking at the images, but for people who are using the images for informative purposes, the images don't cut it. You might as well just draw the image at that point, like what was done for the Wii Remote. Dancter 08:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agh, these new images are incredibly fuzzy. It's very difficult to gauge an accurate bearing on the appearance of these items if you can't see them clearly. Furthermore, the Game and Watch image looks like it's merely had the top part cropped- you can see that the D-Pad on the system retains the "bent" appearance that the prior picture only had due to perspective. Ex-Nintendo Employee 12:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, you can have your glare, and your fuzzyness (I'm absolutely sure that mine is more sharp than the original), and your scratches on the metal of the system. The glare on that photo is so bad you can't read Donkey Kong, nor Nintendo... YSHOULDUKNOW123 22:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text: We don't want to give readers the impression that the Game and Watch system in question had melted. Sockatume 17:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Game and Watch

message: It doesn't seem to fit into this article, it's just plopped into the article with no real reason. Now if there were more rumors I could see the section working, but with such a little and old rumor I think it would be better without it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.207.182.244 (talk • contribs) .
::::That seems ok, seeing as the section doesn't seem to fit, as you said. Balladofwindfishes 12:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumors Section be Removed? 

message: Was the DS headset ever released in Japan? The article says "It is slated for release in Japan on September 14, 2006". Either the date needs to be updated or the sentence needs to be changed to past tense. Koweja 15:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do believe that it was released, so I changed the sentence.  Popplenrookie 19:11, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DS headset 

message: I've excised all but 1 piece of trivia from the article as they were all along the lines of: "person X has a DS" or "in television program Y an item that looks like a DS is shown."  Cheers. L0b0t 01:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You could probably put up a comment to the tune of "The system's popularity has resulted in several appearances in pop culture, which are too numerous to be listed here", in order to discourage people from just putting the Trivia section back in. Mind you the last time I tried that approach it turned into "...which are too numerous to be listed here, however here are some examples:" followed by about 30 items. Sockatume 01:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a good thing to try.  Thanks.  L0b0t 01:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: I think there are a few more important design improvements that should be mentioned in the DS Lite section of this article. The microphone's placement was changed from the bottom-right of the DS to the center of the clamshell hinge, making it easier for the player to keep their eyes on the screen. The power button was moved from just above the D-pad to the left outside side of the DS Lite and was designed to be held for a split-second before the system would shut down, making it harder to accidentally miss the D-pad and turn the power off instead (something I found very annoying). BeefJeaunt 01:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lite Improvements

message: Not only is the image's quality very poor, but the DS in the image is damaged (look at the hinge). I would like to see image:Nintendo_DS_Open.png restored, if there are no objections or copyright issues with the old image. Cosmos 22:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Image:NDS.jpg? -- ReyBrujo 22:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a nice one, but could somebody photoshop out the background so it is white, like a lot of articles on other systems have? Koweja 23:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox Image 

message: I'm not sure if anyone is paying attention to the List of Nintendo DS games article, but it really needs some cleanup and alot of references. I worry that some games on the list might have been put there by vandals. dposse 01:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it needs to be fixed up, i'm willing to help out Cocopopz2005 01:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. Anyone else willing to cleanup the article? dposse 13:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DS games references 

message: The sales in Europe should be mentioned since, they have reached 7 million.  74.137.230.39 22:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Update sales

message: I have made alterations to improve the page, yet they have been reverted, i checked the page history and it doesent mention anyone making changes after me..
Even more bizzare is that the page is now back to the form it was after my alterations, does anyone know what would cause this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.194.74.227 (talk • contribs) .
:Your changes were probably never reverted. It's just a problem of cache and your browser not updating correctly. Next time this happens, just try to refresh the page a few time to make sure your browser is displaying the actual page. 195.25.232.221 09:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes made to the page

message: Store sales are always more or less an estimation. Couldn't we also get the number of shipped console (like we get for the PSP) ?Doesn't nintendo release this number ?
As it is now, by reading both articles (DS and PSP) I don't feel like I have reliable and comparable sales chart for both device. DS article suggest a clear dominance by the DS, but PSP article only gives shipped systems numbers, wich are almost as much as sold DS.195.25.232.221 09:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  number of shipped console ? 

message: should we have something about DSLinux? www.dslinux.org
Wasn't there a section about it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.104.205.76 (talk • contribs).
:Oh i concur, the Nintendo DS has region coding for regions. Except japan their consoles can be used anywhere. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.129.191.243 (talk • contribs).
Since when has the Nintendo DS been region-coded?  The DS and its games are all region-free. Mattygabe 23:29, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DS Linux 

message: Can anyone confirm if any other consoles (large scale consoles) have ever had these results. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.159.152.73 (talk) 22:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Large Scale?  I presume you're not including the GX4000 then! Tim 18:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure it's selling more over here than over there. Remember Others includes Australia and New Zealand. Sockatume 21:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Europe outselling America

message: Someone added a picture of masturbation to the image for the DS. Image was removed from the page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.195.238.42 (talk) 08:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any masturbation. It looks like a DS. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 08:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't understand anything about this supposed masturbation picture. Even when I look in the logs and histories, I can't see anything pointing to its existence. Dancter
Me neither, but you can be assured that it was there.  I saw it early yesterday, and once it was removed, it was no longer in the history.  BUt it WAS there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.205.78.147 (talk • contribs) 15:54, 16 December 2006  (UTC)
What cockamamie, I saw and still see no difference.  They're merely pulling your leg. Mattygabe 23:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It's probably template vandalism that they're seeing, if they're being honest. It would have nothing to do with any of the images in the article, though. That's backed up by the unchanged history on said images. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 05:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It seems there have been reports elsewhere about the penis image, even off-wiki, also on December 15. It seems to no longer be an issue. Dancter 20:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, like I said, it was template vandalism. One of the templates on the page (i.e. :Template:Infobox CVG system) was vandalised in such a way as to display the mentioned photo at the top of the page. This was going on and off for a few days, but it's apparently been dealt with. I saw it a few times myself, and helped somewhat to deal with it. Could have been worse :P. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo DS Image removed. 

message: I thought about this myself but decided against it, and another user has decided that there should be citations for the various nicknames to the original DS that were added in the Trivia section.  After Googling the terms, I realized that they were legitimate nicknames (all except one I discovered were legitimate for sure, that one may still be legit regardless).  However, a "googling" cannot be accepted as a source of information.  Does this need citation, or can this be considered "common knowledge"? Mattygabe 23:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nicknames? Other than just referring to it as the "DS" (as opposed to Nintendo DS), I don't think I've ever heard of a single nickname for it. Happen to have any examples? Bladestorm 04:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation for DS nicknames? 

message: I believe that we should mention Time Magazine awarding the DS with a Gadget of the Week award. It's mentioned in an issue of Time (maybe you won't see it, but the award appears in the Canadian edition of Time). The Legend of Miyamoto 22:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time Magazine Gadget of the Week award 

message: It seems to me that the Nintendo DS only supports unsecure WEP Wi-Fi encryption and not WPA. Is that true? --Abdull 13:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems to be about right. -- ReyBrujo 03:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's correct.  While in the Nintendo WiFi Connection settings, if you attempt to access an Access Point that has WPA or WPA2 security encryption, it tells you that the AP is using an unsupported encryption method. Mattygabe 22:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WEP and WPA 

message: Does anyone have any ideas why this page attracts so much vandalism?  It gets really irksome.  What kind of idiots find this amusing?  - Fearless Son 21:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Annoying, indeed.  Irksome, yes indeed.  Though it is very annoying for editors to revert all of the changes, it is also to be expected.  With all of the fanboys from the PSP-DS flamewars making their natural way over here to Wikipedia, it's to be expected to see frequent vandalism.  PSPs and DS's are mostly played by young, teen or pre-teenage kids who are, of course, immature.  Their edits and actions here on Wikipedia will show that. You'll also most likely see that hot or popular topics find more vandalism than others, such is the case here.  I do agree with you, though, that their immaturity is quite annoying and is one of the large drawbacks to having such an open community. Mattygabe 22:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frequent Vandalism 

message: I don't know which works best in the infobox. One of my recent ones: :Image:DSOnWhite.jpg (with a white background, fits in with the other console articles), :Image:NintendoDS Warm.jpg (current image), or one of the others? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 18:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Other consoles have a large section detailing the most important games released on the system. The DS is old enough that it has at least some highly notable games. Why is there no such section? I used Wikipedia to plan my Xbox purchases :) 24.227.20.234 10:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important games ?? 

message: I don't have information for world wide sales, but Nintendogs is only 8th in Japan. New Super Mario Brothers has sold almost 3 times as much as Nintendogs, and I would assume sales would have been high everywhere else too. Of course, it's all a moot point, as Pokemon Diamond / Pearl is easily going to take the lead as soon as it gets released in other countries.--SeizureDog 23:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the references we found for List of best-selling computer and video games#Nintendo DS. Nintendogs sold 7m worldwide, while NSMB 600k less. We have 8.51m for Brain Age, although that number appears to mix both Brain Age 1 and 2 in Japan, Brain Age 1 in Europe and America. -- ReyBrujo 02:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top selling games? 

message: The Nintendo DS sales figures have not been updated for awhile.  I would like to see more recent sales figures. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.126.163.20 (talk) 04:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DS Sales 

message: When I first looked at the table displaying the number of units sold by quarter I was initially confused as to why there were already Quarter 4 sales listed if Quarter 3 for Nintendo just ended on Dec. 31. I then realized it was listing the sales by the quarters of the year instead of Nintendo's fiscal quarters. I feel that this section should either be changed to reflect the fiscal quarters of Nintendo or changed to list specific dates. Otherwise the chart can easily be misinterpretated. Zomic_13 19:11, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales by Quarter 

message: Long ago I heard rumors that the original DS could be modded to play old gameboy games. Does anyone know if this is true? If it is it should be mentioned in the article as I find it noteworthy.--Iamstillhiro1112 02:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the DS doesn't have the z80 chip in it, that would have to be one pretty significant mod (or very unusual homebrew emulator). Bladestorm 03:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A homebrew emulator indeed exists for playing Gameboy games, though I have no idea how mature it is. See Nintendo_ds_homebrew#Emulators; there's a GBA-based emulator (the DS runs GBA code), and a plain DS emulator. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 06:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modying the DS. 

message: Just a notice that this page has been subject to vandalism (profanity's hidden throughout the article)Laugh-O-Gram 15:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should one suggest semi-protection? --BiT 15:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism cleanup 

message: I was doing a general study of touch-screen based technologies, and I noticed something rather bizarre: What kind of touch-screen does the DS/DS-Lite use? When you read the screen specs, all you get is some rant about 92 lines of horizontal pixel and that certain games either account or do not account for. I don't think that's relevant in a technical specifictions section of any kind. Anyways, when you read the Wikipedia article about touch-screen styles, there is at least 5 or 6 types of touch-screens out there. So, which one is which? -- Dark Observer 01:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, upon reading the article further, I found that it does state that the DS's touch-screen is resistive, so ignore that. But the second thing I said is true. Dark Observer 01:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I added a notice requesting improvement to that section. Much of the information there seemed to be unattributed, and the one reference cited is a blog post that is probably not a reliable source. I've sent you a message with some helpful links. Welcome to Wikipedia. Dancter 02:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical Clarification