Talk:Cassius Marcellus Clay (politician)

message: Suggestion:
First merge the contents of article "Cassius M. Clay" with the contents of article "Cassius Clay (abolishionist)" into article "Cassius Marcellus Clay (abolishionist)"
Then:
*Article "Cassisus Marcellus Clay" should be a disambiguation page that points to "Cassius Marcellus  Clay (abolishionist)" and "Muhammed Ali (boxer)"
*Article "Cassius M. Clay" should redirect to "Cassius Marcellus Clay"
*Article "Cassius Clay" should redirect to "Cassius Marcellus Clay"
*Delete article "Cassius Clay (abolishionist)" or, if other pages link to it,  redirect it to "Cassius Marcellus Clay (abolishionist)"
4.228.216.225 16:53, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Note: Due to a spelling error in a previous merge, early history for this page can be found at Cassisus Marcellus Clay (abolitionist)--Bookandcoffee 02:33, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone and history-merged that page with this one, so the page histories are together now. Graham87 09:24, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Page history

message: I'm working on the Muhammad Ali page, and in Ali's semiautobiography he writes that CMC was a "White man from Kentucky who owned slaves." Is it known whether Clay himself ever owned slaves?  Door 08:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Slaveowning

message: What kind of mob packs your printing press and ships it to Ohio for you?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cglied (talk • contribs) 02:07, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mob? 

message: Was it only the last-named child who was adopted, or all eight of them? 109.157.17.230 (talk) 12:36, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adopted children? 

message: Why is Clay called an "emancipationist" rather than the more common term of "abolitionist"? The wikilink for the former goes to "Abolitionism", so I'm changing the reference in this article as well.Parkwells (talk) 19:06, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Terms? why not abolitionist?

message: This is a very strange article, with academic books listed, but most sourcing to a 1911 book. Clay is the kind of figure who no doubt received renewed attention in the late 20th century from historians; please update references and see what more is being said about him. Also, do not include self-published books unless with sources attesting to high quality. Don't waste readers' time.Parkwells (talk) 20:19, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Improve sources

message: Who is colorizing Matthew Brady's classic photographs? I'm sure this is not the work of the Library of Congress; it is highly inappropriate.Parkwells (talk) 04:04, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Colorizing?

message: I think it's a sad state of affairs when a search for Cassius Clay automatically redirects to the article for a man who has not answered to that name for over fifty years.  Does anyone not know that the boxer, formerly named Cassius Clay, identifies as Muhammad Ali?  A search for "Cassius Clay" should be directed to this article, with the notation at the beginning "For the American boxer, see 'Muhammad Ali.'"  This would honor both Cassius Marcellus Clay, the subject of this article and the American boxer Muhammad Ali, since "Muhammad Ali" is the name he has chosen and is how he identifies.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beetfarm Louie (talk • contribs) 04:59, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirecting to Muhammad Ali 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Find a Grave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=8009&PIpi=84969 has a photo of gravestone with dates October 10, 1810 - July 23, 1903. What are the primary references that contradict this? Thisdaytrivia (talk) 06:33, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth and death dates 

message: Perhaps there should be a link to his former wife, Mary Jane Warfield. She kept up the house White Hall for a substantial amount of time while Cassius was away.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashleigh King (talk • contribs) 18:13, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mary Jane Warfield?  

message: There are no sources cited in the introduction - or anywhere else in the article, for that matter - backing up the quotes attributed to Clay regarding what to do with freed slaves and his attitudes toward them. Also, of the three sources cited for Muhammad Ali's statement about Clay's white supremacy, two are dead links and the one remaining makes no mention of Clay's apparent disdain for Black people.  
I've done some digging and have found several secondary or tertiary sources for the quote, but have been unable to access any of the earliest accounts of it. Does anybody have access to either "The Day of Small Things" by Richard Sears or "Lion of White Hall" by David Smiley? All of the sources in which I've found this quote reference either these books or a collection of Clay's letters in the Lincoln Museum of Fort Wayne.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bllfrg777 (talk • contribs) 02:08, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction Quotes 

message: A collection of stories was published in 1863 called “Running the Blockade”. This was published in London, about U.K. ships that ran the Union blockade of Southern ports during the Civil War. The author is disdainful of the ‘Yankees’ -at least, his sailor characters are- and Clay is mentioned in one of them. It opens like this:
 THE CASSIUS MARCELLUS CLAY . 
 I do not mean , by Cassius Marcellus Clay , the stump orator , whose mission is or was to abuse Great Britain and all which it inherits , but a Yankee brig so named after that distinguished gentleman , by an admirer of his at least , I presume so , though for aught I know , I the dis - United States can boast of a thousand Cassius Marcellus Clays , one of whom may have been a dear relative of Ezra Sidebotham , ship - builder of Portland , State of Maine , and owner of the brig so named in compliment to his dear relative and friend .
Now, the fact that Clay criticised Britain seems to be an issue for this speaker, though Clay’s other views may have galled him as well, but what *did* Clay say about Britain? This passage implies Clay said a lot, but I find nothing about it here. Some more information on this would improve the article. 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:209C:49AE:E9BE:666B (talk) 00:15, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Attitude to Britain

message: To add to this article: exactly who "the six Turner brothers" were. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 16:47, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  To add to article