Talk:The Mountain Goats

message: Should "Going to Marrakesh" be added to the Alpha series? --Sammka 20:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yes, sadly it is.  =D  Believe me, if simply making great music was enough to justify a Wikipedia article, I'd have created Blue Vinyl Lounge, George Kahn, The Phoenix Trap, Joy Machine, Kim Justice and a whole lot of others long ago.  But it's important that there be some standard of notability; I just have no idea how that standard can be fairly assessed in independent music (despite having some favorite independent musicians, I don't know which indie labels are big and which are the-band-itself-in-a-funny-hat -- and even the latter does not automatically mean they're not notable, it just makes it harder to assess.)  -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:50, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: This requires major cleanup - it looks like a large chunk came from another source, and the whole thing is much too hagiographic. Phil Sandifer 05:20, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are simple enough to work on.  I'll attempt it.  Jellypuzzle | Talk 19:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: According to mountain-goats.com (the official site for the band), the bio states, "The Mountain Goats' first recordings were covers of songs by Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons." While I'm not sure that these recordings would truly qualify as an album, it is not a case of vandalism. How relevant it is in a Wikipedia entry is not my area of expertise, though.BigCat8 06:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Hi all! I've fleshed out the introduction even more (and corrected some unverifiable or mis-attributed information.) I also corrected a few facts in the infobox. Feel free to clean up the formatting on the new references I've added--that's my main wiki-weakness. I thought it was especially important to clarify that (at least according to every sources I've been able to find) John is still the sole core, official member of the Mountain Goats. I'm not sure where the previous editor got their "three core members" information from--not the FAQ they linked to, that's for sure.... --Mercurylanes (talk) 02:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Updated intro, 7/8/2010

message: I heard that the band were originally called The Goats but had to change there name as there was already a band of that name, so they chose Mountain Goats as a tongue in cheek reference to where they come from a la Charlatans UK or London Suede. Can anyone supply a ref to back this up or indeed the confirm that they took it from the Screaming Jay Hawkins song, which does mention mountain goats. Yorkshiresky 21:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.archive.org/details/tmg2007-06-17.Zoop Listen to 09 - Going To Georgia - 06-16-07 from 4:20 "This is the song from which I took the name of my band." 154.20.22.46 (talk) 00:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of name

message: A number of their songs are about the deaths of prominent musicians, e.g. "Song for Dennis Brown", "Sept 15 1983", "Last Day of Jimi Hendrix's Life".  Somebody more conversant than me in Mountain Goats lore should collate these songs as another song cycle. Lfh (talk) 14:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead famous people 

message: It seems to me a large portion of this article is taken up the extensive discography and song series sections.  I think it would make more sense to split them off into their own article, as per other artists with large bodies of work, e.g. The Beatles, John Cale, Elliott Smith.  That way this one can focus on other aspects of the band.  Let me say though, I do think a section on the song series should be here, but as more of a summary of some of themes, rather than a list, which would make more sense in the discography. --Leodmacleod (talk) 04:48, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I also support the above, but I see that the song series concept remains in its original state, which takes up way too much space on the page and looks just like a discography entry. As others above have suggested, I believe it should be summarized instead of providing this giant list.Brakoholic (talk) 20:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spliting into "The Discography of The Mountain Goats" 

message: Is the full categorized list necessary? Featured articles for more notable bands such as Radiohead, The Beatles and Metallica only contain a Discography section, which lists albums and their respective release dates. I don't think that the song series are sufficiently notable  to be included, and none of it is referenced. Aqx (talk) 16:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  There should be mention of the song series, since it's a big part of his work, but there's no reason for this complete list.  It's excessive.  I'd be down to write a short paragraph to replace in the next week or so.  --Leodmacleod (talk) 03:59, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists of songs 

message: Now that the band's notability is solidly established (I'm sort of sad to see this was in question as late as 2006), this article needs some cleanup as it could be much more concise and informative. Ex: NY Mag published a very in-depth article about the band/John last year, information from which would be valuable to this page - yet it is not cited anywhere. I plan to take on this task in the next few weeks but would like to hear from any other informed contributors. Helsabott (talk) 07:29, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  More cleanup! 

message: I've added The Annotated Mountain Goats to the external links section. This is a project by me and a few other tMG fans, so I've been reluctant to add it for a while, but I think it's a very strong project at this point with very good sources, and arguable one of the best available, so I thought I'd add it in. If anyone sees this as problematic, please say so here and let's talk about it. Thanks! Kyle Barbour 00:59, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Annotated Mountain Goats 

message: In an April 2016 blog post on the band's official website, the Mountain Goats announced the addition of a fourth member, Matt Douglas as a multi instrumentalist. He does not appear to have a Wikipedia page but should certainly be listed as one of the members. In addition there should be a reference to him joining probably in the 2010-Present section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mangosquash (talk • contribs) 17:26, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: We've had this come up before.  added Douglas into the infobox with no sources or reasoning, which was later reversed without reasoning. I think it's fine to mention Douglas in the History section, but as of now, Douglas isn't an unambiguous member of the band. As it stands, I don't think he should be mentioned in the lead or the infobox. Darnielle calling the group a "quartet" doesn't necessarily grant him member status. I'd be glad to be proven wrong by a less ambiguous source. Rutlandbaconsouthamptonshakespeare (talk) 22:31, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually now that I've stumbled upon this tweet, I'm taking back what I said. Darnielle referring to Douglas as "full-time" seems pretty straightforward to me. I'm fine with listing him as the fourth member, assuming no one else has reasons to doubt it. – Rutlandbaconsouthamptonshakespeare (talk) 14:28, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems legit, feel free to add. Karst (talk) 14:44, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th Member 

message: The "am_bio2" citation is surrounded by two closing tags, so please change
:The band's name is a reference to the Screamin' Jay Hawkins song "Yellow Coat"....
to
:The band's name is a reference to the Screamin' Jay Hawkins song "Yellow Coat".<ref name="am_bio2">...
209.6.229.194 (talk) 16:14, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Another editor recently changed the reference name from am_bio to am_bio2, and caused the citation error. I have fixed it back. -- ferret (talk) 23:28, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation format fix request 

message: Should "Going Back to California" should be added? It's a song Darnielle released in 2016 as a thank you to fans who donated to Carolina Abortion Fund fundraiser. [1][2] 50.120.65.103 (talk) 22:40, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If we can find a reliable third party source for this, then we can consider putting it on The Mountain Goats discography article. Regardless, I don't think it belongs on this article.  Rutlandbaconsouthamptonshakespeare (talk) 14:55, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  notable unreleased songs (2010-present) 

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message: There are a lot of "citation needed" tags on this article which need sources. I'm especially curious of the mentions of an oath not to write profane songs taken by John in November 1996, which I've seen quoted from here on a lot of sites. I haven't found any proof for any of these statements here on the internet, at least. Could whoever added in those lines cite their sources? Eridanus3302 (talk) 12:50, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to second this request. This is the original edit adding that point, which interestingly includes the full date of this statement (the year was corrected in the next edit). The timeframe puts it at the end of the second European tour, so it's possible that the statement has been translated from a European publication. That would explain why the quote varies between websites and why the original is hard to find. —Rutlandbaconsouthamptonshakespeare (talk) 14:42, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

text: I can add in and have found multiple sources for a bit of the citation needed parts, but I'm still incredibly curious as to where the November 1996 quote came about. I've seen it mentioned around, but there's really nothing verifiable. Xs zhang6 (talk) 08:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations needed

message: As Eridanus mentioned, there's a lot of citations needed, but I wanted to bring attention to the claim that WSABH is set in Pomona? I've never found any sources for it, and I've never even heard it mentioned on any messageboards or fan circles. Everything Darnielle has said about the album, eg in the Marc Maron podcast has been strictly within the context of first Claremont, and then Portland, Oregon. All the locations mentioned in the album are places that either he or another member of the band has a direct connection to, such as Chino or Claremont, so I don't understand why it would be set in Pomona. If anyone knows anything, could they cite the source? I'm incredibly curious, and I might delete it if no one has anything.
Xs zhang6 (talk) 22:46, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  We Shall All Be Healed set in Pomona? 

message: In the "In other media" section of this article, The Mountain Goat's song "Only Takes a Few" from "tick, tick... BOOM!" should be added. A0630! (talk) 02:32, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure whether this needs to be added. We do have another page dedicated towards all their songs. --Ferien (talk) 09:19, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2022 

message: their song No Children was used in Moral Orel season 3 episode 1 107.126.24.106 (talk) 17:17, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moral Orel 

message: Maybe I missed it, but I don’t see any mention of The Walking Dead featuring a song as part of a big scene in an episode. In the "Still" episode was the first time a song has been featured in the second half of Season 4. At the end of the "Still" episode, the song that plays in the background as Daryl Dixon and Beth Green torch the house they had been staying at is "Up The Wolves" by The Mountain Goats. I would add this piece but the entry for The Mountain Goats is locked! 
Reference: https://comicbook.com/popculturenow/news/the-walking-dead-song-up-the-wolves-by-the-mountain-goats/#:~:text=At%20the%20end%20of%20the,No%20matter%20where%20you%20live. HotPinkToes (talk) 15:38, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Info?