Talk:Garry's Mod/Archive 1

message: could someone tell me where the info from "security concerns" comes from? it seems kind-of one sided against garry -mysekurity 05:53, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Security concerns 

message: I believe that the culture section is completely based on POV and does not reflect the true nature of the mod community. It is true that when you first start up the game, your name is MingeBag, but it really is pointless to say that just because your name is MingeBag that you will be kicked from the server. That may be the author's opinion, but it certainly is not fact--Deemo 17:27, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture Section 

message: I removed the culture section, because it was unencyclopedic and can be summed up as "new players create problems." Which probably isn't even true for most of them. Sum0 22:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture removed 

message: The name of the mod is Garry's Mod, and not GMod. GMod is just an abbrevation... can someone move the page back? --Bergha 20:33, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: The article says, "While it does not have any actual gameplay value in a traditional sense...".  Garry's mod DOES have some game modes, including melon racer, birdpoo, build to the top, build bridge, soccer, fort wars, and many others.  All of these game modes are included with the mod, and have valid goals and objectives.  I think the article should mention these game modes, and the aforementioned sentence should be edited, or more well-defined.  It's a little vague to say "gameplay value in a traditional sense". --Smileman66 19:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate Game Modes 

message: Don't you think it would be nice to add a list of maps?
--VonV 01:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map List? 

message: Lua viruses are a major problem, so check your Lua/Init folder regularly, and if you find something you or TEAM GARRY didnt put their, you should probably open it with a text program (i.e. wordpad or notepad) and erase it, then save as a .lua, and make it read only
This is pretty much all you need to do
May i say that this is only a problem with version 9.0 and up
Here are some links to some usefull lua ANTI VIRUS programs, and links to two lists of lua viruses:
Anti-Virus links:
http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=134578-GAV
http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=132785
http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=155385&highlight=filecheck
http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=132785
http://www.gmodsecurity.com/
lists of Lua Viruses:
http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=158549&highlight=Lua+Virus+List
http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/showthread.php?t=171370
Xluavirus 08:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Garry's Mod Concerns 

message: Gone through the text, and tidied quite a bit. Removed repetiton, re-organised sections, added references where possible. Haven't changed the detail of GMod 9 or 10's tools, for example but made some of the English clearer. Hope you guys think it's OK. I think the article is somewhat improved. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the tools in GMod would like to have a go? Obviously, there is no point in re-producing the official GMod Wiki though... Major Bloodnok 16:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit 

message: Under SWEPs, the laserdance gun is incorrectly referred to as the "FAMAS gun"--Raznor 18:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SWEPs 

message: Did a lot of MAJOR changes here, corrected some things, added a lot of information on GMod 10, changed some things under 'GMod 9 Mods' and tools, cleaned it up.
Deleted info about 'objects such as buildings being imported from hammer', as it was misinforming. --Stylus 15:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lots of changes 

message: The article needs cleanup. A BIG one. And also, some fact confirmation:
"However, there will be no Garry's Mod 11, because Garry's Mod 10 is the final version."
Where did you get this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.196.101.78 (talk) 16:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Just minor changes... Perhaps on that "LUA Viruses" section, someone could be so kind as to take that last snide remark off? The one going something like "[...] but people still download .lua files from servers for gamemods and such, thus proving Valve failed and lied." It may not say that but the author of that statment may as well have written that. Please change it to something more like "[...] but people still download .lua files from servers for gamemods and such, so some Lua viruses still exist, but are very hard to spread." Perhaps, also add a sentence saying that lua viruses don't affect the computer in any way, but can make a Garry's Mod play expierence annoying and at most corrupt gamefiles, assuming they aren't being used at the moment.
Also, could someone change "Garry's Mod Retail" to something less 'ugly' like "Garry's Mod (retail version)"? Please? I only ask this because who calls a game "GAME NAME RETAIL!!!" (unless the game is ABOUT retail... anyway).
Random requests done. --DEMONIIIK 05:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested Edits (since I'm still a wee child in the Wiki world) 

message: Wouldn't it be better to link the download to the official website, not download.com?
(the official download link still works) Ericlaw02 10:59, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "free download" part 

message: Under the magnetize tool for gmod retail in the article, it states that it only sticks to props, and does not pull.  This is incorrect.  There is a checkbox labled "no pull." when checked, the prop has no pull.  when unchecked, the prop pulls things towards it. Mr. Altaco 02:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake with magnetize tool 

message: Gmod 9 is old and now totally unsupported! Why is it the better part of the wiki page? Garrys Mod 10 should be the main topic. Or mabey they are 2 topics, in which case they should be seperated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.230.170.210 (talk) 22:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get rid of the gmod 9 section 

message: Someone should add the facepunch link to the links section, since it is the official forum and a supportive community.
http://forums.facepunchstudios.com/
Done and done. --Xinjinbei 18:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Facepunch to Links. 

message: The image with the american soldiers preparing to attack a german AA postion is made with models from Day of Defeat: Source, which is based on the HL2 engine, but it's still a standalone game sold in stores. DoD was used to be a mod to Half-Life, but DoDS has never been a mod. 217.211.211.182 17:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Day of Defeat is not a mod 

message: One of the really cool Garry's Mod addons that I think should be listed is Wire Mod, which adds electronic components to the kinds of things you can spawn. --CCFreak2K 14:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I edited out the image links and related descriptions (they broke). --CCFreak2K 11:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I have checked out this addon, and it's absolutely worth mentioning. I was simply stunned by the abilities it adds to Garry's Mod. Here's a 'definition' from the Wire Addon Wiki: "[...] This mod allows the user to spawn gates, sensors, inputs and outputs and wire them together so a working computer-like contraption can be made in Gmod10. The gates are connected with wires, which are beams that act as a medium to carry the output from one wired entity to an input on another." Alkalu7y 16:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wire Mod 

message: I'd replace it and all but I'm extremely new and have no clue how to fix it I have the text and all though so it should be no problem to whoever can do that.
--ExplodingAcorns - Exploding the Acorns in life. 17:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lua/Virus Section Deleted by someone again. 

message: I have noticed that there is now a complete lack of support for any free versions of gmod and Garrys own web site wont even link to a free version anymore, and that any of the old free versions will not even run anymore in Steam. Is this the case? Has it turned into a "pay or stop playing" model? If so, it should be added right near the top that gmod has turned from a free modding community item into a commercial enterprise JayKeaton 07:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They won't run, because it's unsupported, and newer steam updates have broken it, there are work around though (which only delays the inevitable) 60.240.224.231 09:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: All free versions are completely unsupported. I don't think Valve deliberately meant to break it in a Steam update, but neither Valve nor Garry will fix any problems. Cubed05 00:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The logic isn't "pay or stop playing", $10 is a meal at mcdonalds, and there is more - and more diverse - free content for gmod10 than there had ever been for gmod9. People who expect gmod9 to be kept current at no cost to themselves are looking for a free lunch. 121.45.46.27 12:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is correct, "[...]$10 is a meal at mcdonalds[...]" is what made me buy Garry's Mod 10. The mod is worth $10, it's a small amount of money.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alkalu7y (talk • contribs) 11:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Garry's Mod 9 is still in the mods list on Steam website. There is no download link, though. Alkalu7y 12:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of support for the free version 

message: I've removed a large part of the external links, mainly fansites. Wikipedia is not a repository of links and generally 3 fansites are the max an article should have. Also I removed a link to the Wiki since it is a link on the first page on the list. SpigotMap 20:03, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: What happened? This article used to be really long and filled to the brim with information, but now it's been super condensed. Actually now that i think of it, the article had a lot of irrelevant stuff in it. -User:Color-Copycat  �Preceding comment was added at 04:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to this article? 

message: I added an SVG version of the GMod logo to Wikipedia, but as I'm new I can't add it in myself. Do you think it would be useful to use it and if so would someone add it instead of the PNG? The filename is Gmodlogo.svg - thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yohanuk (talk • contribs) 17:25, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Image changed. Thanks for the SVG. Alkalu7y 16:24, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SVG Logo? 

message: Would anyone object to the addition of links to Community sites in the External Links section? It did at one point read <!- DO ADD new links without discussion-> A number of links were added, but all, including my own, were removed by another user.
Bradfirj92 (talk) 15:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Community Links 

message: The links in the Awards section are all broken. Can anyone find some replacement links or something? Weeliljimmy (talk) 21:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards 

message: Why is it on again? --CCFreak2K (talk) 06:34, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because of vandalism  Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs)  21:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-Protection 

message: fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfu
Maybe someone should write up about the history of GMod and it's support for Lua
Littlerippa (talk) 08:38, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History and Lua 

message: While the argument over why MingeBags deserve to be so heavily ridiculed is still unclear, with supporters of newcomers to the game on one side, and the veteran players on the other, it still draws in fans all over the world every day.  Whether they are ridiculed or not,  they will eventually pass through the MingeBag stage, and either become decent experienced players, become havoc-enducing problems, or true veterans with skill and manipulative control enough to create some of the wonders in the Garry's Mod world.  Nobody has ever started this game as an immediate professional player, although some are more civilized, more mature, and more intelligent than others.
signing for archiving  Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs)  18:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture 

message: Self explanitory, but the whole "steam update messing with gmod" definatly needs to be adressed. (TheTrueMrJack) *Does not have profeile yet*
-HDR update cause a line to go across the screen and destruction of modcache.
-Friend Newwork destory all tools.
signing for archiving  Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs)  18:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bugs 

message: as far as ive seen, up to 100% of the items (i.e. chess set) in HL2 are effects.
the original spawn menu misses up to approximately 65% of the items in HL2.
gmod+ v1.6 adds at least 30% of those missing items to spawn menu SOMEWHERE.
as far as i know, all effects are their, now, meanning that 100% of the items, atleast, are not spawnable.
go play HL2 after typing: sv_cheats 1 in the console, and look at everything you see, and type: impulse 203 while looking at it, to delete it (if it is an object) if you cant spawn it in gmod, its missing.
signing for archiving  Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs)  18:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  several items left out of spawn menu 

message: gmod has been released  could you please remove the unreleased tag from that section
Yeah it's been released remove the tag!
signing for archiving  Compwhiz II(Talk)(Contribs)  18:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  gmod is released 

message: Maybe we could put a download link(s) to GMod 9?  I have to say it's a real PITA and none of the official sites make it obvious where it can be obtained.Smackheid (talk) 03:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Download link? 

message: It seems GMod actually requires the Source SDK. A teacher of mine got the free Portal: First Slice pack which has lots of Source games, but not the SDK, so he can't get GMod. MeTheGameMakingGuy (talk) 12:45 pm, 22 February 2008 (GMT +10)  —Preceding comment was added at 01:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only Needs A Source Game??? 

message: I dont feel the community section needs tweaking, this is a place to advertise your modifications people, even if it is implied.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shougunner (talk • contribs) 12:53, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not happy with this article 

message: Anyone remember when the original mod version was first released? I assume it was on 2005 but exact date would be nice. --Mika1h (talk) 21:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date 

message: it wasn't advertising, this game (It's hardly a mod anymore) has sold 100k+ copies on steam  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.173.11 (talk) 22:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was the page deleted? 

message: Is it really appropriate to have a link to Facepunch Studios?  Seeing how it's a fansite (I think.) It doesn't seem to merrit having itself in with the official sites.  Sparky-sama (talk) 10:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's official.  CWii(Talk|Contribs)  13:21, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  URLs 

message: The link to "manhack" in the first section (Overview) doesn't work :( Scottdavies (talk) 14:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: page got redirected.  CWii(Talk|Contribs)  18:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manhack 

message: I disagree with the deletion of this page.  It is too well known to not have some sort of entry on wikipedia.  Just voicing my opinion 
--Sponge! (talk) 23:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Working on it...  CWii(Talk|Contribs)  00:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disagree with Deletion 

message: It IS gmod 11. Even Garry says it's Gmod 11.. Get your ******* facts right before modifying a page!
:WP:CIVIL  CWii(Talk|Contribs)  15:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the reason number "Garry's Mod 11" came up is because every so often Garry releases a major update to the mod which brings it to the next version of the Source engine. For example, in January of 2008 it was updated from the Episode One engine to the Episode Two (Or "Orange Box") engine allowing things such as motion blur, updated water effects, etc. But eiter way, it's still just "Garry's Mod". When he brougt the mod from v9 to v10 (the "Paid" version you buy off of steam) it was officially named Garry's Mod (with no version number). Cody-7 (talk) 19:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who edited to say that community THINKS it's gmod 11? 

message: I get really sick and tired of all the people who ask how to change your
playermodel. Here it is.
*go to options
*go to options/player
*select your model
*die and respawn as your chosen model.
There. tell all no0bs to come to this page. If anyone wants this deleted, go to my talk, and within the next week, it will be deleted.
Also, stop being really mean, CWii. I semi-agree with Cody-7, guys on GM are usually a bunch of mingebags, but most mean well.
MidKnightHunter (talk) 16:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This won't be added to the article because this wikipedia isn't a game guide. Also, Talk pages are for discussing how to improve the articles, not for the article's subject itself. But I'm going to act in Good Faith and hope that this was a suggestion for the article.  CWii(Talk|Contribs)  17:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  playermodel lulz 

message: Why is Facepunch, a website dedicated to a mod program for a sci fi game, full of 4chan memes and 4chan refrences? --79.74.75.48 (talk) 17:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm guessing it's the same reason why Wikipedia is filled with controlling, ignorant, think-they-always-know-better-than-you, think-they-are-cool-because-they-have-a-ton-of-wikipedia-barnstars obsessive contributors who won't let anyone change an article for the better (I've run into a lot of them). Every community attracts various idiots and because many Facepunch users are young, they can be a bit immature. -- Cody-7 (talk) 20:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I hate most Wikipedian-barnstar-bastards too! We should form a club!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.160.194.194 (talk) 21:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't like the community Cody? Take your bullshit elsewhere.  CWii(Talk|Contribs)  03:43, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia is about a free repository of information anyone can access. A large part of the community thinks they know better than others and it causes real problems. It turns Wikipedia into a not so fun place to be. We should drop this now, anyway, this is a talk page for a specific article, not about Wikipedia's community. I would "take my bullshit elsewhere" but I refuse to be scared off by trolls on Wikipedia  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cody-7 (talk • contribs) 02:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 4chan memes are not 4chan memes. They are internet memes. They are a part of the internet. Also, many people who go to 4chan also go to Facepunch. See: Encyclopedia Dramatica > Facepunch CompuHacker (talk) 01:15, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That entirely depends. Some things originated elsewhere and moved to the *chans but some of it did originate and propagate there before anywhere else, although unknown to the average *channer, a majority of the 'memes' originated in places like Ebaums and SomethingAwful before '4chan' even existed, and found their way there. But I suppose this is irrelevant to this article so I'll shut up now. 75.149.203.217 (talk) 17:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memes and stuff 

message: Please add the following in the appropriate section:
List of games that meet the Source engine requirement
Left 4 Dead - released 17th November 2008—Preceding unsigned comment added by Cit (talk • contribs) 
:Done. -Unpopular Opinion (talk · contribs) 12:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Source game 

message: Concerning Thibbs' edit, Garry's Mod ISN'T a 'non-violent' game. There is blood, killing, etc. Since it isn't editable we'll have to deal with false information.
I am not spy (talk) 16:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it's just semi-protected. And, yes, it's a non-violent game. It's possible to kill people, since it's the same engine and you can enable it, but it's definitely not the main intent of the mod. - Zero1328 Talk? 23:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Exactly. You wouldn't call Little Big Planet or The Sims a 'violent game' just because it's entirely possible to bring death on a character, because the goal of the product is in LBP's case, platforming and puzzlesolving, and in The Sims case, building and living a normal life for your character. Just as Garry's Mod is designed for creative thinking and building assorted things with the in-game editor. 75.149.203.217 (talk) 17:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Non-violent' 

message: "The Phoenix-Storms Model Pack is a pack which includes many geometric objects (such as cylinders, cuboids and plane parts) to allow more precise building."
This seems to me like a personal ad for a third-party product. I recommend it be removed. It doesn't seem to be truly notable, and appears to just be another mod pack in a sea of thousands that litter Garry's Mod. Discuss this here, but I'd remove it quickly as it doesn't seem to have any right to be here and might as well be vandalism. 75.149.203.217 (talk) 17:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible personal-advertisement 

message: How do I save something I've made as a .mdl file so that I can spawn it whenever in the "Q" menu?  Uber-Awesomeness (talk) 22:00, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help? 

message: Could some one add a .gif?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.77.226.5 (talk) 02:17, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Search Youtube for Gmod contraptions if you want to see the game in action. Ggigabitem (talk) 02:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about the physics? 

message: The person with the IP: 90.191.99.43 has gone through the page and done a bunch of spam editing, with things like "Deth and Dyspair(Death and Despair), "Eextreecshon (or something like that)" - Extraction. Could a mod please revert the page to what it was before this person edited.
Edit: Thanks to Fnfd for returning the page to its original state.
And I hope the comment below is directed at 90.191.99.43, and not me =S.
  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marrakkew (talk • contribs) 03:12, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spam Writing 

message: GO BACK TO SCHOOL SPAMMER
Somegamer (talk) 03:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad spelling 

message: Good job, whoever the idiot was who put the facepunch URL where it doesn't belong, complete with bad grammar.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.77.21 (talk) 15:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double Facepunch Advert 

message: The Orange Box is not a game, but a collection of games, all of which fit the requirement. Why is it on the list? Should we include the Valve Complete Pack, Episodic Pack, and any other pack that has these games in it?
:How about "Most content compatible with the Source engine, as used in other retail products." Or something to that end? Bradfirj92 (talk) 00:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orange Box 

message: Why is this article in the category "Fanmade computer game remakes and sequels"? It is not a remake, nor is it a sequel. Elliott B (T | C) 18:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category Ambiguity 

message: It would be a good idea to have a garry newman page or a subsection on the main garrysmod page.
Vbitz (talk) 21:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is marked as a low-importance Video Game article, I think that sort of decides for us that we don't need a separate page for the author. Bradfirj92 (talk) 00:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garry Newman needs a page 

message: I believe this entire section needs either pruned or completely re-written. It's more of an advertisment for certain mods than an encyclopedic entry. Bradfirj92 (talk) 00:47, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the addons listed are indeed the most popular, so much so that it's hard to find a vanilla server online. I don't think it should be removed, as it offers insight into how much the GMod community relies on these addons. 24.56.195.64 (talk) 23:51, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true, and the addons listed(particularly Phoenix-Storms and Wiremod) are extremely popular, to the point where almost all servers use them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.154.199.220 (talk) 09:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  User Created Content Section 

message: "With the eleventh version of Garry's Mod, the version numbers were dropped, and it has now become simply Garry's Mod."
There's no 11th version, it's still Version 10, even the Infobox says Version 10. --Solidsnake204 Talk ~ Contribs 16:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: From a technical standpoint, it is known as Garry's Mod 10.5.  It's been called Garry's Mod 11. Halofanatic333 (talk) 12:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Pretty good idea.  Only reason, at least this is what I believe, that it is being called "Garry's Mod 11" is because of the change from the Half-life 2 engine to the one used in the Orange Box.Halofanatic333 (talk) 15:15, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version 11... 

message: I suggest making a new page for the Facepunch Forums, since it's quite a lot larger than just the Gmod forums... 84.87.38.168 (talk) 23:07, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facepunch Forums 

message: Why is there no criticism section? Garrys mod is regularly critized for being buggy, having lackluster developer responses to issues, creating game breaking issues every update and allowing for massive amounts of spammed gmod-based images to be released online. these are fairly important points, most covered in regular gaming forums and websites. They should be noted here. Otherwise it's just reading as an ad for Gmod and you may as well just copy+paste the steam store's description of the game. - 15.195.201.87 (talk) 04:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are welcome to include criticisms of the mod, provided they come from reliable sources. Otherwise you are engaging in original research which is inappropriate for inclusion. Cheers. Doniago (talk) 16:38, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Criticism section is decently covered, although calling it "notorious" for breaking things with updates is pushing it a bit (maybe notorious within the community since the userbase is clearly the most affected by said changes but hardly notorious in a more widespread sense). --99.186.108.193 (talk) 04:49, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticizm 

message: Should this article ever get its myriad of issues resolved, a consideration toward mentioning that it runs on an outdated version of the Valve SDK might be informative... or not. Just an idea. --99.186.108.193 (talk) 04:53, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Any game released using a newer version of the Source engine immediately leaves any game using an older version "outdated" by technical reasoning alone. --99.186.110.193 (talk) 15:37, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  SDK clarification