Talk:Ilwaco Railway and Navigation Company

message: The article was getting too long, so I relocated the Long Beach Station discussion to a new page.  This is the old discussion here:
The Long Beach depot was built between First and Second Streets on the east side of the track, which ran north along "B" Street.Feagans, at 37  A major destination in Long Beach was Tinker's Hotel, later renamed the Long Beach Hotel, and built very close to the station.  This was the second hotel built at the site by Henry Harrison Tinker, the founder of Long Beach  Tinker's first hotel burned down in 1894.  He built another one just a few feet to the east and south of the rail depot.Hobbs and Lucero, Long Beach Peninsula, at 24  The image at right shows a crowd waiting for the train sometime between 1901 and 1907.  Just across the tracks (which doubled in this area)Feagans, at 71 states that a passing siding was built at Long Beach from Tinker's Hotel in Long Beach was the Portland Hotel.  The Portland Hotel, owned by the Hanniman family was unique for the area, in that it featured an enormous round turret-like structure.The Portland Hotel burned down on December 6, 1914, and was not replaced. Hobbs and Lucero, Long Beach Peninsula, at 24  The Driftwood Hotel was another common Long Beach destination.Mtsmallwood (talk) 00:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that moving the discussion was a good idea, but now the Long Beach images look out of place mixed up with the other cities.  How about creating a gallery of them at Long Beach, Washington?  As shown below. Brianhe (talk) 02:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: this is great, I was thinking about that problem, it was looking wrong but I couldn't seem to fix it.  Thanks! Mtsmallwood (talk) 05:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved gallery to Long Beach, Washington#History, hope this looks OK to you. If you move it back note that there was an extraneous pair of braces in the "waiting for train" caption. Brianhe (talk) 05:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Relocate Long Beach station discussion

message: Again, to cut down on the length of the article, the following was relocated to Ilwaco:
The railroad ran  north up First Street in Ilwaco.  A published photo shows the railroad's Ilwaco facilities, including a gallows turntable and elevated watering trough, were located on the  southwest corner of the intersection of First and Spruce streets.Feagans, at 28 with photo from Mrs. Wilson collection  The depot was built nearby on Spruce Street.  A siding was built for the Ilwaco Mill and Lumber Company.Feagans, at 37  A published photo shows the passenger depot on the west side of First Street, at a point 14.8 miles (23.8 km) from the Ilwaco Depot to Nahcotta.Feagans, at 78  The Ilwaco freight depot was in a different building.  The freight depot survived to modern times, and has been relocated to became part of the Ilwaco Heritage Museum.
The train ran out on the dock in Ilwaco.  Floating logs were stored behind log booms on the west side of the Ilwaco dock.Feagans, at 33 and 52, publishing photographs of early Ilwaco harbor, from collections of Pacific County Historical Society and Ilwaco Tribune
Identifiable Ilwaco trackside businesses in the 1890 photo include several stores on the east side of First Street immediately south of Lake Street, both unpaved at the time.  This was just across the First street from the railroad's turntable and water trough.  The only sign that can be read in the photo published by Feagans is "Furniture," on the immediate southeast corner of First and Lake.Feagans, at 28, with photo from Mrs. Wilson Collection  At some point after 1890, First Street had been covered with wooden planks, and remained so until 1916, when it was paved over.Feagans, at 81, with photo  By 1915, a published photo shows many more businesses along First Street in Ilwaco.  The only identifiable one is the Sprague House, possibly a restaurant, on the east side of First Street.Feagans, at 81, with photo from Mrs. Harold C. Dixon collection 
* Ilwaco in 1897
* B.A. Seaborg Cannery, Ilwaco, 1897
* Modern view of First Street in Ilwaco, looking north.  The railroad would have run past some of the older buildings in this photograph
* Modern view of fishing fleet at IlwacoMtsmallwood (talk) 01:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Relocate Ilwaco discussion

message: No unquestionably public domain map of the railway has been yet located.  Links to maps of the railway follow:
*Map (large scale) of railway following 1907 expansion
*Large scale map of original route of railway
*1887 map of Columbia River (public domain)
*detailed map of Columbia River at Astoria and Ilwaco, showing railway and ferry routes as of 1927
Mtsmallwood (talk) 00:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Maps

message: Cut out these links from article, interesting but don't show railroad itself or have other more direct tie-in to article topic. Mtsmallwood (talk) 18:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
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message: :"The rails were light, 35 pounds to the foot (52 kg/m)."
I don't think that 35 lb/ft or 52 kg/m is "light" rail.  Far more likely that this was 35 lb/yd, the conventional units, or 17 kg/m, isn't it?  That 35 lb/ft would be 105 lb/yd, and there were a whole lot of rails a lot lighter than that.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect that this results from the habit of talking about rail of so many "pounds" without specifying the length units, and somebody misinterpreted this as "per foot" rather than the "per yard" which is normally used. Any citations to a reliable source would be helpful.  Gene Nygaard (talk) 05:15, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
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