Talk:Black Library gaming (Warhammer 40,000)

message: Hi, I'm currently updating, so its not in its final format (there are some catagories to add, etc). All books with more than one work can be included as a main book. Smaller books and short stories not related to a book should be included at the end of its section. I'm updating and adding information as fast as I can. However, if there is something that is desperately wanted to be added now, don't hesitate to say so and I will move it to the top of the priorities. 
A note: this page is for creations dealing with BL, not loose stories just found in the codexes or in White Dwarf. If a BL work crosses into the above two, then it should be mentioned. SanchiTachi 18:28, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you give a good reason why this shouldn't be AfD'd as a POV fork? You've ignored consensus on a previous page and duplicated content to get your way. Aside from you having taken the time to expand the number of novels, its content still doesn't match its title. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:07, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a problem, contact Swatjester. SanchiTachi 20:11, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked you. Please answer the question. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The two entries have very different scopes and remits. Granted some of the content of this entry is based on the original but they are not two entries covering the same topic in different ways and should be fine. As it is this entry is quite large and might need a little tightening up, meanwhile List of Warhammer 40,000 graphic novels needs expanding and focusing, There might be some grounds for a complaint but that is purely going to slow down the unlocking and subsequent editting of the other entry which should over time resolve this issue anyway. It isn't ideal but it will result in two very different entries which should be fairly solid and useful to people. (Emperor 21:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I don't want to deal with crap again, I'll accept that. I still find the manner in which this was carried out to be quite contrary to how Wikipedia works, though. This should have been done after discussion, not before, so this problem wouldn't have cropped up at all. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:31, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: About the Page so far

message: You boys are doing it again so cut it out and we'll talk about it. There is basically no need for the disambiguating on this entry as there is no other Black Library gaming entry so namin conventions say keep it as simple as possible so this should be at: Black Library gaming' (Emperor 21:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless, as an edit summary says, there will be others called "Black Library gaming (X)" in which case this is fine for now - if they never show up this can be moved. (Emperor 21:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving

message: 1. Bolding of the name is not for emphasis. Its to describe the game, as opposed to a book. Furthermore, the rule he quotes does not pertain, as that bolding in "1st para" also applies to the "lead" which is considered the introduction. 
2. Swatjester has already made it clear that he will deal with me, not you. If you have any problems, stop edit warring and take it to him. 
Please respect the admin's ruling, thanks. SanchiTachi 22:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i commented on your talk. Please discuss this, instead of turning to Swat as a go-between. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm afriad point 1 is incorrect - there was excessive use of bold against guidelines. Bold should be used in a very limit tightly defined way: WP:MOSBOLD#Boldface. Someguy (and the anonymous user) are right to remove it and the current version (last time I checked) looks to be essentially correct - with the first incidence of the title words in bold. (Emperor 23:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Putting in Italics is misleading and not correct. Use of Italics implies that Warhammer 40,000 1st edition is the game that its approved for. If you want to go through and put in each edition that the game is in, then you be the one to correct it all. Warhammer 40,000 bolded is to distinguish it as the gaming system, not a particular book. Italics are for books. Bolding is for major projects. SanchiTachi 23:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All I changed was the bold on the word "games" as I have no feelings one way or the other about the italics (you didn't remove them with your last edit though) - the issue is the bold in the lead paragraph and you seem to misunderstand its use. My previous post provides the details and I hope that helps clarify things. (Emperor 23:47, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

text: On the bolding of the subject in the opening paragraph see: WP:LEAD#Bold title and WP:MOS#Article titles. In this case: Black Library and Warhammer 40,000 games (games as gaming isn't used - might want to think about seeing if it can be reworded - not vital but...). It does not inply anything about whether they are titles of anything, which your previous edit summary suggest you think this means: "Warhammer 40,000 games is not the title". I agree it is not the title of a project - it is the subject of this entry hence it is bold. (Emperor 23:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding your last edit summary, bolding games isn't vandalism, as you seem to be missing the emphasis, and therefore separation, placed on Warhammer 40,000. One is separate from the other, but both are bolded as part of the article's subject. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:51, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: User Someguy is trying to claim that "Black Library gaming" (a verb) somehow equates to "Warhammer 40,000 game" (a noun). User Someguy refuses to cite verifiable information for his choice of a title. That is all that needs to be stated. SanchiTachi 23:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "User Someguy" is trying to get you to see that an italicized word followed by a "normal" word are two separate things, regardless of the bolding. Please listen. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Please take the time to read what I have said - the subject of the entry is in bold. No one is saying it is a title. Please also read the style guidelines I link to above. If you think that three editors or wrong and you are right you can drop a note in on the talk page of WP:MOS and ask an independet editor to have a look. (Emperor 00:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

text: You are now well over WP:3R and may be on 6R by now. This is ridiculous for something so minor. Please take time to read what has been said and the links I have given and seek a third party to give advice if need be. I have dropped a note on your user page but given the rapid rate of clear up I doubt it will last very long hence my doubling up here. (Emperor 00:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why Somguy's changes are wrong

message: If anyone comes here curious as to why the page is gone, Deskana is doing a history merge to address GDFL concerns. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have terrible timing. Merge done apparently. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History merge 

message: Short stories and other pieces of fiction were created for the White Dwarf magazine, for Warhammer 40,000 rulebooks and gaming guides, and other publications, such as the Citadel Journal and their official websites. Later, these evolved into larger novels.
Does a mention be needed to made here that the Dark Future game (which has no connection to W40K) had novels published by GW over 10 years ago, before BL was formed?
Probably not here, come to think of it.... Darkson - BANG! 17:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background 

message: These stories are written in the perspective of humans,
Apart from the stories written from the perspective of the Eldar (Eldar Prophecy for example), Chaos (Daemon World) and Tau (Fire Warrior). Darkson - BANG! 17:17, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That line could probably just go. The synopsis suggests the perspective anyway. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not quite right. 

message: Note 2 editors on the talk page and one on the entry were Sanchi Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/SanchiTachi. It'd be worth checking their edits to make sure they haven't been deliberately disrupting the page (although I suspect some of you have). It obviously has a bearing on the above discussion. (Emperor 00:04, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sanchi

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