Talk:New Jersey Pine Barrens

message: Where are they in relation to the Pine Barrens? John wesley 21:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the municipality, see Highlands, New Jersey, which is nowhere near the Pine Barrens (it's off the map). If not, what do you mean? Septentrionalis 22:43, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: See New York Highlands GIS User's Group. -- Mwanner | Talk 00:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Highlands

message: It really makes no sense to me whatsoever that the talk pages for two articles which discuss the general topic of pine barrens should both redirect to a talk page for a very specific example (albeit, perhaps the most well-known example) of a pine barren.  Should, by way of comparison, the talk page for the organized crime article be redirected to the talk page for the article on the Mafia, given that the Sicilian Mafia is the most well-known example of organized crime?  I would really appreciate if someone could explain this decision to me, because I am baffled.  Thanks in advance. ---Charles 04:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a lengthy discussion on where the three articles should be placed, which was on all three talk pages, IIRC, also Talk:Pine Barrens, and appears to have been merged. There were also some moves.  If you have reason to take out the redirect, fine. Septentrionalis 17:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've separated the talk pages, because the articles are now separate, and the importance of the two to Wikiproject Plants is quite different (in fact, perhaps only Pine barrens should be in Wikiproject Plants at all). Kingdon 15:21, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk pages---[[Pine barrens]] and [[List of pine barrens]] 

message: Nothing is mentioned about the Jersey Devil? I would think that's an important thing to mention, not in depth since there is an article about it, but atleast mention it?
:I agree.  Why don't you stick something in?  :-)  -- MyrddinEmrys 08:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Jersey Devil 

message: This article says "The Pine Barrens were home to the Kallikaks" but the The_Kallikak_Family article clearly states "the name Kallikak is a pseudonym derived from the Greek καλός (kalos) and κακός (kakos), meaning "good" and "bad," respectively". Since there never was a Kallikak family in the NJ Pine Barrens, I think the article should be corrected. I wanted to see what others thought before I went ahead and did it myself. - ZippySLC 05:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the family actually existed, even if the Kallikak name was a pseudonym. I don't see a problem referring to them by the pseudonym, since their real names are unknown. --Xanzzibar 14:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kallikaks 

message: Unless there are plans to include sections about all the major fires which have occurred in the Pine Barrens, I would suggest that the 2007 fire section should be removed as it is not important enough to include (when at the same time, this article excludes other larger fires which have ravaged the barrens)Famartin (talk) 06:32, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm inclined to agree -- there's nothing that defines why this fire was so notable... though instead of removing it entirely, I'd prefer that it be generalised just to briefly mention the major forest fires that have occurred over time. However, I did a quick search for some info and came up empty-handed. --Bossi (talk • gallery • contrib) 15:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a good excerpt... http://www.weymouthnj.org/fire_safty_in_the_pine_barrens.htm  "     The potential for wildfire disaster in New Jersey  has been dramatically illustrated numerous times. Large conflagrations occurred several times from 1930 to 1992, and most recently in 1995. The most notable of the fires was on the weekend of April 20-21,1963 , when wildfires destroyed 183,000 acres of land, consumed 186 homes and 197 buildings, and were responsible for seven deaths. In 1995, one wildfire burned 19,225 acres in Ocean County , and during the summer drought of 1997, an 800-acre fire damaged 52 homes and threatened over 300 homes in Berkeley Township . "Famartin (talk) 16:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree as well. I never really cared for the section as it is, and Bossi's suggestion sounds like a good alternative. --Xanzzibar (talk) 22:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove 2007 Fire section 

message: Where can I find a map of their extent? 99.191.75.22 (talk) 18:24, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This website has a picture of the Pine Barrens ecoregion showing the extent of the Pine Barrens in New Jersey, while this one has pictures showing the area occupied by the New Jersey Pinelands National Reserve. --Apollo1758 (talk) 01:51, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you so much! 99.191.75.22 (talk) 06:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Any way that a map could be incorporated into this article? I'm not clear about the regulations on image copyright on Wikipedia. Liz Read! Talk! 14:47, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Please add a map to this article. 173.88.241.33 (talk) 03:45, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map please 

message: "The fire regime before European settlement is poorly understood, although it is known that Native American fires had maintained the eastern savannas of the United States. Fire has played a major ecological role in the Pinelands, and the ecotypes "suggest that short fire intervals may have been typical in the Pine Plains for many centuries, or millennia."
What on Earth is this talking about? There are no hyperlinks, so anyone not knowing what a "fire regime" or "short fire intervals" is has no clue what any of this means and cannot find out quickly. And "Native American fires had maintained the eastern savannas of the United States". Um, huh? a) this make littles sense on its face; b) it has no citations even if it has some kind of sense behind it. I'd prefer for this paragraph to be removed, as it doesn't add anything, is not sourced (beyond a single link to an offline source), and makes little sense.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salazar888 (talk • contribs) 07:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I added links to fire regime and Native American use of fire, but I agree that the statement is too technical. At the end of that statement, there is a reference for the book Savannas, Barrens, and Rock Outcrop Plant Communities of North America, which is accepted under good faith (Read Wikipedia:Offline sources). How about incorporating the statement into the section on "Forest fires," which needs more referenced material anyway? --Apollo1758 (talk) 15:42, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fire regime??? 

message: I'm removing these two sub-sections from the forest fire section because they lack relevance, in accordance with Wikipedia:Recentism, Wikipedia:Notability (events), and the policy that "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of news material". Since the Pine Barrens experiences multiple fires in a year, I think that it's difficult for an individual fire to warrant its own section unless it causes lasting effects or has a large geographical scope. I'm keeping a copy of the sub-sections here for historical reference.
--Apollo1758 (talk) 14:42, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007 and 2008 fire sections 

message: I was editing the aforementioned article, and I noticed that there is some overlap. The main difference is that the National Reserve is the legislative district that contains much of the open Pine Barrens in New Jersey. If it was a National Park, wouldn't all of the information be in that national park? Just a thought. I don't usually edit forest articles. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  05:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably best to keep the articles separate as the Nat'l Reserve is a somewhat smaller area within the entire Pine Barrens. They are effectively different entities, one inside the other. For example, Wikipedia still has separate articles for Grand Canyon and Grand Canyon National Park; also, Death Valley and Death Valley National Park. Separating such things does defeat the ideal of having all closely-related info in one place though, which would limit redundancy and keep discrepancies to a minimum. Brian W. Schaller (talk) 02:43, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Very good points {{ping|Brian W. Schaller]], but the Grand Canyon and Death Valley are a bit more distinct than the Pine Barrens. Both have geographic boundaries and delineations. The Pine Barrens are just part of the broader Atlantic coastal pine barrens. Most of the info in this article comes from the Pinelands Commission (flora, fauna, and protection efforts), so anything New Jersey-related could just go in a Pinelands National Reserve article. At some point I will be building up the New Jersey Pinelands National Reserve, so we'll see when that article is a bit more done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  16:04, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I also disagree. The Pinelands Reserve is essentially a park - the article should consist of description of what is included (lands, waterways, facilities, etc), the authority of the commission, history of its creation, etc. It should also include a brief section of the ecology but link to the main Pine Barrens article. The Pine Barrens is an ecosystem, and its article should consist mostly of the ecology (plants/animals/climate/soils), its coverage area. It can have a brief section on the reserve but link to the main reserve article as the primary article.Famartin (talk) 18:06, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[New Jersey Pinelands National Reserve]]? 

message: To add to article: a list of the counties that comprise the New Jersey Pine Barrens. 173.88.241.33 (talk) 03:46, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article

message: Timber rattlesnakes are not rare or endangered. They are classified as "least concern".  Just see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timber_rattlesnake Jyg (talk) 03:57, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: As a whole, they might not be a species of concern, but per the cited source(), they're considered endangered in New Jersey. --Xanzzibar (talk) 04:12, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for pointing this out.  This, by the way, must be a relatively recent development. Forty years ago the Pine Barrens were rife with these rat snakes. Any piece of tin laid down was likely to have a pine snake under it. Jyg (talk) 21:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Timber rattlers are not rat snakes, and they are also not pine snakes. They are also endangered or extirpated in various other states as well as New Jersey, per Timber rattlesnake#Conservation status. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:26, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  " the rare eastern timber rattlesnakes " 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved to "New Jersey Pine Barrens".   -- Vaulter 15:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Pine Barrens (New Jersey) →  – or . The opening sentence already uses the proposed term, and a similar term ("New Jersey Pinelands") is used as the label in the map shown at the top of the article. Similar constructions are used for the articles on the Long Island Central Pine Barrens, Plymouth Pinelands, and Atlantic coastal pine barrens. Similar constructions are also found in the titles of many of the cited sources. Official names related to this topic include the New Jersey Pinelands Commission and the New Jersey Pinelands National Reserve. The use of a state name in parentheses is not generally practiced for article titles about WP:U.S. places. WP:NATURALDIS is preferred. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:26, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

text: Support move to New Jersey Pine Barrens - thanks for starting the conversation! Tom Radulovich (talk) 01:25, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

text: Support the move to New Jersey Pine Barrens, per nom. --Xanzzibar (talk) 18:31, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

text: * If you're suggesting moving this to  and relying on WP:DIFFCAPS for disambiguation, I don't think I support that. The common name presumably doesn't contain a parenthetical phrase. If you're already in New Jersey when you refer to a place, a certain amount of context can be assumed for a lot of things, but I think people ought to understand that a globally relevant identifier needs a bit more. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 14:25, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 26 May 2022