Talk:Bee learning and communication

message: Hi there--
You'd put back into this article at the top material that was previously there, perhaps under the impression that someone had taken your material out.  They hadn't!  All the material is still in the article, but a lot of additional material has been added so your original work is scattered through.  I've therefore reverted to the version we had on 19th November.  seglea 16:10, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)
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message: Bees dance to communicate not only the discovery of worthwhile sources of nectar, but also to communicate the discovery of worthwhile sources of pollen, and the dances are different. Also, research has been done that indicates that bees are using sound to complement the movements involved in their dances.
Another major component is the use of dance by swarms to decide upon a nest location.  Tom Seeley of Cornell ( http://www.nbb.cornell.edu/seeley.shtml ) has stressed this use of dance in many papers and both his books, but I am uncertain as to which of his many works might make the best citation for this point. 
Under "Odor Plume", I think it is telling that despite a substantial amount of verbage on the issue, the two numbered points lack citations:
" 1. clinical experiments with odorless sugar sources which show that worker bees are unable to recruit to those sources and
   2. logical difficulties of a small-scale dance (a few centimeters across) giving directions precise enough to hold the other bees on course 
during a flight that could be several kilometers long. Misreading by even a few degrees would lead the bee off course by hundreds of meters at the far end."
Both these should be branded "[Citation Needed]".
In refutation of both points, we have the work of William F. Towne, of the Kutztown University in Pennsylvania, such as this paper:
http://faculty.kutztown.edu/towne/Towne_2008_JEB_211_3737-3743.pdf, in which he shows succinctly that bees can be fooled into recruiting foragers via dancing about a location in the opposite direction from the actual food source when introduced into a "mirror image" terrain and deprived of the navigational reference provided by the sun.  When the cloud cover passes, the bees dances, and the resulting forager visits both become accurate once again, which is compelling evidence in favor of "dance".
I am new to Wikipedia, so please excuse if my attempts at an "edit" are less-than elegant.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Packetfire (talk • contribs) 16:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major component is missing 

message: I am doing my research in Artificial Intelligence, and I will soon be posting some of my findings (of insect intelligence) online.  Does anyone know where would be the most appropriate place? Is there a Wikiproject Insect Neural Map I should consult?  Paskari 13:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The most appropriate place is a refereed scientific journal. It certainly doesn't belong at Wikipedia, where  original research is not allowed. -- 71.102.194.130 05:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
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message: "When scouts returned to the hive to communicate their find, other bees refused to go with them, not expecting to find food in the middle of a lake"
Really?  They "refused"? We know what bees "expect"?  I guess their language skills really are quite amazing. 
This article has a lot of problems, with its barely concealed contempt for critics of the "dance language" theory, but the section on Gould is the worst, reading like a press release.  An encyclopedia should report the factual details of his experiments, and what interpretations he or other scientists have placed on them, but it should not make interpretive claims itself, especially not such absurdly anthropomorphic ones. -- 71.102.194.130 05:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reading Bee's Minds

message: This article claims von Frisch discovered this behavior in 1947. However, according to this book I am reading (Harvey Einbinder, The Myth of the Britannica (New York: Grove, p. 235), von Frisch discovered this in 1923 -- although his research was confirmed after WWII. Looking at von Frisch's biographical article, his paper "Über die ‚Tiersprache|Sprache‘ der Bienen. Eine tierpsychologische Untersuchung" (published in Zoologische Jahrbücher (Physiologie) 40 (1923), 1–186) is mentioned, & from the title this appears to be the publication of his discovery. So is the 1947 date properly when his research was verified? -- llywrch (talk) 22:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
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