Talk:Francisco Rodríguez (Venezuelan pitcher)

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message: I thought it makes sense to move the article to Francisco Rodríguez (closer). The move was reverted apparently. Any opinions, comments, etc. ?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 23:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose moving them to Francisco José Rodríguez and Francisco Rodríguez Murillo respectively, along the lines of Francisco Javier Rodríguez and Francisco Rodríguez García. -- Y not? 13:43, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

text: See WP:QUALIFIER and the Steve Smith example.  Based on that, I think it should be: Francisco Rodríguez (baseball) and Francisco Rodríguez Murillo. Nevermind, I didn't know of the baseball naming convention Spanneraol listed below.  — X96lee15 (talk) 15:30, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

text: The article is named correctly - K-Rod was not a closer when he came up and closer is not a position in baseball. He should not be named Jose or Murillo because he does not go by his full name. It is just a weird perdicument to be put in - also their are two Chris Carter's in the league also. Ositadinma 21:23, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with Ositadinma. As I said when I reverted the page move, closer is not an official baseball position and Rodriguez will not spend his entire career as closer. I'd consider it the same as disambiguating Barack Obama (if it were needed) with "(president)" rather than "(politician)". There is no reason to get so specific when it's not a role he's always going to fill. A player may very well be a pitcher, infielder, or outfielder throughout his career (or maybe even a specific position in the field) but you usually won't ALWAYS be a closer.►Chris NelsonHolla! 00:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

text: The guideline is the result of consensus among the baseball project, you shouldn't rewrite it without discussion. Spanneraol (talk) 03:36, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Y - I think in general, giving people names in article titles that they aren't commonly known by. If you're searching for Francisco Rodriguez, you're not going to know to look him up by his birth name. Dikembe Mutumbo has about seven names we don't use, but we shouldn't use them because nobody knows him as that. It's just a bad idea all around.►Chris NelsonHolla! 15:48, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is different wiki projects have different naming conventions (e.i., Royalty, soccer players, etc.) are a few examples were their are different naming conventions than normal (soccer players with one name and royalty with Dame, King and Prince, etc). Baseball does not have that, so unless or until K-Rod goes by his birth name or other name then the article will be Francisco Rodriguez and not Jose or Murillo part. Ositadinma 16:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
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