Talk:Vandenberg Space Force Base

message: i have very serious doubts as to whether 'militaric' is a real word (apologies if it's a typo)
i think 'military' suits ok - changing article to reflect this
ahpook 13:50, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Vandenberg is also used for the launch of non-militaric satellites in polar orbits" 

message: "Over $100,000 were spent on the new space shuttle modifications."
um, that figure sounds insanely low, but I'm not changing it since I don't have the actual figures. Jafafa Hots 12:32, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shuttle

message: I was stationed at Vandenberg in the 70's and worked on the flightline there.  Wasn't the runway at Vandenberg lengthened to accomodate expected landings of the Space Shuttle in the late 70's?  If so, this should be included in the article.  Also some mention of the program in which Minuteman Missiles were test-launched from C-5A aircraft in a program that came out of Vandenberg during the same time. Spyneyes 03:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Runway Extension etc.? 

message: At Other launch sites...? on Space.com's forums, I was wondering what abort options where available for a orbiter attempting to reach polar orbit from Vandenberg by launching south. Will (Talk - contribs) 07:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abort options for a shuttle going to polar orbit? 

message: I think Vandenberg was the launch site for an ASAT operation in one of the earlier Clancy novels.
RobertTaylor21 22:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom Clancy novel... 

message: As a quick response to using the space shuttle to achieve a polar orbit - The reason the US places its primary launch facilities in Florida was due to its proximity to the equator and it allows launches to the east without crossing land until you hit Africa.  This is important because the launch vehicles carry very finite amounts of fuel (energy) and can barely attain orbit under ideal circumstances.  Launching the east means that the earth's rotation is contributed to the energy budget since just sitting at the pad the vehicle is in essence already traveling with around 1000 mph of delta-V for orbit.  If you wanted to launch to the west, you have to basically attain around 1000 mph (ie: in atmosphere) just to hit 0 velocity for orbit.  Also being near the equator means that you do not need to expend as much fuel to sychronize your orbital plan with either the equator or to align with other solar targets (ie: moon, mars, etc.).  This plane is what creates "launch windows" that allow the spacecraft to launch into an orbit essentially already aligned to solar targets (rember the earth has a 6 degree inclination in the orbital plane).  This is why when you see the big map in mission control, most trajectories appears as a sinewave undulating back and forth over the equator.
Anyway, back to polar orbit.  Polar orbit requires more energy than eastern launch orbit due to the first part I mentioned which is the contribution of the earths own motion and rotation to the launch.  Without this contribution, I am sure the shuttle could make orbit (polar) since it has more excess energy than any orbital insertion vehicle ever built (Apollo does not count as its intent was to leave orbit) however there would certainly be a severe payload penalty and/or it would impact the ability to achieve higher orbits.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.31.184.166 (talk) 15:55, August 28, 2007 (UTC) 
:Due to its geographic location, VAFB is only suitable for polar and retrograde orbits.  The shuttle was designed to reach polar orbit from VAFB and land back at VAFB – that's why it has those huge wings... ComputerGeezer 03:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: VAFBs location does not preclude prograde orbits for any reason other than safety.  The reason you launch prograde from Florida and retrograde from California is simply a matter of the space vehicles not overflying populated areas during the boost phase of the flight that is the most likely flight regime to experience failures.  This precaution lessons the possibility of a crash into populated terrain.  Ideally you want your launch vehicle to acheive orbit before it will pass close to any populated area so that if the vehicle was to malfunction or be destroyed by flight safety due to loss of control that its debris would not pose a serios risk to the population below.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.31.184.166 (talk) 14:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

text: "the earth has a 6 degree inclination in the orbital plane" - does it???  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.114.91 (talk) 06:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps referring to the Earth's orbit inclination to Sun's equator which is close to the weighted average of all planetary orbits in the solar system (invariable plane). Rairden (talk) 06:15, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Space Shuttle Polar Orbit 

message: Currently this article is rated by three wikiprojects. WikiProject Space rates it Start-Class, the Aviation WikiProject rates it B-Class and the Military history WikiProject rates it B-Class. I considered up-rating it to B-Class for WikiProject Space, but decided not to do so because of the relative lack of references and citiations. (Of course anyone else may make this change if they wish, but for convenience, here's a checklist of areas often considered for a B-Class rating: Referencing and citation, Coverage and accuracy, Structure, Grammar, Supporting materials.) (sdsds - talk) 03:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article rating 

message: * In the computer game Deus Ex, Vandenberg is the headquarters of X-51, a group of ex-Majestic 12 scientists and US military soldiers.
* In the 2000 made-for-television movie Rocket's Red Glare, starring Robert Wagner and Marilu Henner, Vandenberg was the launch location of a restored Mercury Redstone rocket.  The movie included several USAF members playing themselves as launch technicians.
* Vandenberg was the launch site of the American space shuttle in the James Bond film Moonraker.
* Vandenberg has also been featured in episodes of the television series Lassie, Perry Mason (in the 1961 episode The Case of the Misguided Missile), The Bionic Woman ("Fembots in Las Vegas" filmed in and around the mothballed Manned Orbiting Laboratory-era SLC-6), The Fall Guy.
* In Michael Crichton's The Andromeda Strain, the "Scoop" satellite (which brings back the micro-organism from space) originates at Vandenberg.
* In the movie, Terminator 3, Vandenberg was mentioned as one of the bases that were annexed by Skynet.
* Vandenberg appears in first season JAG episode "Recovery."  The episode, set in 1995, depicts Vandenberg's military space shuttle operations as active and ongoing.  In the episode, Shuttle Atlantis (which appears on screen, but is exclusively referred to in dialogue simply as "the space shuttle") is launched on a mission to repair a US spy satellite, only to be jeopordized by a traitor American scientist paid by the Chinese government to sabotage the recovery mechanism.  Sleuthing LCDR Harmon Rabb and LTJG Meg Austin foil the plot.
* In the Disney Movie My Favorite Martian, one scene is filmed at Vandenberg.
* In the 1995 film Outbreak, The Vandenberg Airbase is the place where the bomber take off to the infected town to deploy the bomb.
* In the science fiction novel Shuttle Down by Lee Correy, the Shuttle Atlantis, carrying a Landsat satellite intended for polar orbit and launched from Vandenberg, must abort and has to land on Easter Island (Isla de Pascua), Chile.
*In a second season episode of A&E's Mindfreak, Criss Angel visits Vandenberg in a tribute to the Armed Forces. Among other tricks, Angel makes a Hummer appear as though from thin air.
:: Project to move all Trivia to Talk. LanceBarber (talk) 19:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandenberg in popular culture 

message: :Regarding the template  used on this page, please join the discussion at Template talk:Spaceport#Shorter names.
:(sdsds - talk) 23:20, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shorter names in Spaceport template 

message: What is the purpose of including this section? I nominate it for removal. LorenzoB (talk) 17:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Politics

message: Why is there no information on the subject here about this incident where a UFO shot down a missile on video camera that we can now see on youtube? Is it due to lack of interest or censorship?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.224.200.34 (talk) 23:52, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe because it only happened in some crackpots imagination...? Ckruschke (talk) 19:28, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:   Hi, Ckruschke.  Two problems with your careless and likely uninformed comment.  First, Prof. Robert Jacobs ain't no crackpot.  He was an Air Force lieutenant who went on to teach at Bradley Univ.  He's a clear-headed, clear-speaking observer who in 1964 handled filming of missle launches.  Second, it happened on a film shown by his commanding officer a day or two after the launch and not in Jacobs' imagination.  The reason nothing is in here about this is that it contradicts the prevailing Wikipedia editors' belief about what the world is like, no more, no less.Moabalan (talk) 05:09, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  UFO shoots down missile over Vandenberg Air Force Base 

message: featured picture at the commons, though i can see we probablly dont need more images here.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:40, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured picture

message: Citations are a minimum to maintain such a section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.128.147.80 (talk) 06:18, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleting spaceport until citations are added 

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Page moved. Clear and overwhelming consensus to move. (non-admin closure)  Garuda28 (talk) 23:10, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandenberg Air Force Base →  – On 2021-05-14, Vandenberg Air Force Base is scheduled to be renamed to Vandenberg Space Force Base. We should update the title of the article accordingly when that happens.
[KSBY source] osunpokeh (talk) 15:44, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: to fix this malformed request (the current title was a redirect, and redirects cannot be current titles in move requests) this premature page move has been reverted. This page should not be renamed at least until this request is closed and the community consensus at WP:NAMECHANGES has been satisfied. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 21:18, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Of course, but not before then. AP News  — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 16:46, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Support  Fettlemap (talk) 17:07, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Support Rainclaw7 (talk) 22:11, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Support Llacb47 (talk) 00:00, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Support Tysseract (talk) 06:08, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Moved osunpokeh (talk) 07:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, User:Paine Ellsworth, why did you revert my move? osunpokeh (talk) 23:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Paine Ellsworth, please correct your mistake, as I have no way of doing so (error message). The subject has already been renamed on May 14. Your reverting of my move was in error. osunpokeh (talk) 00:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The page move was reverted for reasons I noted above. Besides the policy I referenced, WP:OFFICIALNAME is also a good read. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 00:08, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: And any source to state that Vandenberg Air Force Base is the current name, rather than Vandenberg Space Force Base?     osunpokeh (talk) 01:54, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Personally, I don't think the names of active bases of the United States Military qualify for that argument. It's said "Space Force Base" on the front gate for three days now. Metropod (talk) 14:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandenburg Space Force Base is the official name now. It must be moved. StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 14:17, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know whether an admin will move the page until this move discussion is officially closed. Liz Read! Talk! 21:58, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Liz, the article "Vandenberg Space Force Base" currently redirects to "Vandenberg Air Force Base" after Ellsworth reverted my move. I filed CSD for "Vandenberg Space Force Base" to make way for the page move. Fingers crossed that it goes through soon. osunpokeh (talk) 22:45, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 May 2021 

message: Just a quick note when editing this page that care should be taken to update current references to "Space Force Base" while maintaining historical references as "Air Force Base". The name was changed on Friday, May 14th, 2021. Any event that happened on the base prior to this date should not be renamed as having occurred at Vandenberg Space Force Base because Vandenberg Space Force Base did not exist at that time. For example, the main picture on the right depicting the launch of a Delta IV Heavy at Vandenberg Air Force Base on 28 August 2013 was incorrectly updated to say Vandenberg Space Force Base. This obviously would not match up with the references, and it would complicate historical searches for that event.  DGrundler  talk  15:09, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a perennial issue here on Wikipedia. All part of what happens on an encyclopedia that anyone can edit! (They do!) Just do your best to correct it, and don't be too surprised when it gets changed again! BilCat (talk) 20:31, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely understand that. Just hoping to educate more folks with a gentle reminder.  DGrundler  talk  21:49, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating References from Air Force Base to Space Force Base