Talk:Chola dynasty

message: I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Takkolam should be mentioned briefly in the page or linked at its bottom.
SlimShady32123 (talk) 16:15, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible addition to the page? 

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message: The cholas belonged to Saivism as a religion. Hinduism did not exist when the latter Cholas ruled which is about 1000 years ago.  The word Hindu was brought into by the British about 300 years ago. Hence please correct the religion to Saivism. 49.204.143.168 (talk) 11:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. >>> Extorc.talk 11:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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message: Small suggestion, Cholas never ruled north India. So where ever the reference of north India is made it should be changed to Eastern Ghats OR South East India. Gmishra75 (talk) 17:57, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Where does it say they did rule north India? Johnbod (talk) 04:40, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rule area 

message: 1.38.104.185 (talk) 07:16, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lemonaka (talk) 07:34, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2023 

message: In official languages REMOVE sanskrit. Dont play. Warning will not be repeated!!!!!! 84.57.124.254 (talk) 17:20, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: He says remove Sanskrit in the Chola Wiki page as it is incorrect.  There is no proof of anything but Tamil used in Chola empire.   Debtprograms (talk) 13:59, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Where is your reliable source that says the Sanskrit or any other language was used in Chola empire?  You are not showing any proof or evidence about a foreign language used in Chola court. Debtprograms (talk) 14:00, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2023 

message: Hi Guys - There is no evidence of Sanskrit or Prakrit or any other language used for official purposes.  The language used for worship was Tamil.  Why are you inserting Sanskrit into the Cholas?  There is no source that attests that Sanskrit was ever used.  No inscriptions during that time.  This is irresponsible Wiki article to USURP other cultures under Sanskrit.  It is an insult to the Tamil Empire.  Please stop changing history.  Show reliable proof and we can discuss it. Debtprograms (talk) 13:55, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This article used to be correct back in the days, but some Sanskrit USURPER has changed it recently.  I have changed it back to the accurate description, but it keep getting changed back.  Many users have complained about the inaccurate details.  If this continues, then the Wiki users will have no choice but to start a new article on the Chola Empire, not Chola Dynasty.   Debtprograms (talk) 13:58, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Are We Including Sanskrit In Chola Dynasty? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: No consensus. This discussion has petered out without any consensus (whether rough or firm). The article does not currently focused only on the "dynasty" (lineage of rulers) or "empire" (imperial period) but rather the wider Chola state/society over time. For now, the introduction can be updated to reflect the current scope of the article. If there is need for other solutions, a new move discussion or split/merger discussion can be suggested. (non-admin closure)  SilverLocust (talk) 03:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Chola dynasty →  – This page is about the Political entity of the Cholas which is most definitely called the Chola Empire and not only about the lineage of the Cholas. Looking at other stably named Dyasnty-Empire page pairs, like the Mughal, Timurid, Ottoman, the empire page talks about origin, territory, administration, government, law, demographics while the dynasty page talks about family tree, succession, current heads and pretenders.Looking at this article, this mostly fits in the Empire category. >>> Extorc.talk 14:31, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

text: According to Google ngram, it seems like "Chola dynasty" is the WP:COMMONNAME, although it's close. What do the authoritative works on this subject use? SilverStar54 (talk) 17:22, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at ngrams here is useless @SilverStar54 because this is not a WP:COMMONNAME debate. I am saying this is specifically an article on the empire and NOT the dynasty. Wikipedia has different articles for those two and this article pertains to the political entity which is an empire. >>> Extorc.talk 04:30, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Apologies, I misread your initial post. In that case I support. SilverStar54 (talk) 16:56, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

text: I wouldnt characterize it as premature, given that no one had made a comment in four days, and the editor who changed his vote and was persuaded to agree would, in my mind, only make the argument for the close stronger. However, I have no objections to letting someone more experienced close this, so I am reopening the discussion. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 17:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Per user request, I am relisting and notifying the India project. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 18:03, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject India has been notified of this discussion. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 18:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 12 June 2023 

message: Have noticed attempts to insert "Tamilakam" in the lead sentence, a term which is not meaningful to the average reader and is not found in the majority of WP:TERTIARY sources.
Den Store Danske, Britannica, Great Catalan Encyclopedia, Great Russian Encyclopedia, Treccani, The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia. Most of these use south/southern/south-eastern India as a descriptive and nowhere is Tamilakam to be found here. The lead should not diverge from what the majority of sources follow.
Do note that we already mention in the para below the "three crowned kings" part along with Tamilakam and that should suffice (though the Tamilakam article is perhaps in need of renaming to a more descriptive term).
 We follow sources and not what one thinks is right and the sources clearly stand against your attempts at WP:LEADFIXing. Gotitbro (talk) 14:32, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The majority of independent encyclopedic sources, as listed above, do not agree with you. We cannot use terms which find no currency in the mainstream referential literature, right there in the lead sentence. Gotitbro (talk) 19:57, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not greatly convinced by this. The term is used by National Geographic, in the "Southern Indian kingdoms" section of Britannica's article on "India", in Thapar Early India (2004),  and in Parashar-Sen, Subordinate and Marginal Groups in Early India (2007), generally in the context of introducing the Cholas, Pandyas, and Cheras as a trio. The term is more specific than "south/southern/south-eastern India." I don't see a problem with the term being meaningful to the average reader, as it is linked. Furius (talk) 20:36, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree with this, but it needs to be both linked and explained (as Jeromenada did).  Outside India it is not very well known, but inside it has contemporary political resonances. Johnbod (talk) 03:13, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

text: We already use the term in the same lead para that follows (for the the three dynasties/kings). This is the same as the sources listed by you, these use it in a contextual framework (while already detailing southern, early India etc) and not as a standalone descriptive. Most general reference works don't use the term and definitely not right there in the lead sentence. Those which do employ it, use it in the sense of the three dynasties; edit-warring/contentious editing has dubiously introduced four in different articles which was the case here as well, which is also better kept off the lead sentence. Gotitbro (talk) 03:21, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: An editor has requested that :Medieval Cholas be moved to , which currently redirects to this page. You  are invited to participate in the move discussion. SilverLocust 💬 23:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related move discussion 

message: Since this Article is about the Dynasty as a Whole, I am planning on moving detailed information about the Imperial Cholas to Chola Empire, and replacing it with a more brief summery. SKAG123 (talk) 02:23, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I support this, as being in accord with Wikipedia:Summary style Furius (talk) 22:04, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Furius I am also thinking about replacing the Empire infobox with a Dynasty infobox, since this article is about a dynasty  SKAG123 (talk) 01:36, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What effects would that change have? Is there specific data that would no longer display? Furius (talk) 06:16, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I am thinking about changing this article's infobox to one that resembles this. It would better match the format since this article is about a dynasty rather than a kingdom or empire. It would also allow the rather to distinguish this article from Chola Empire.  SKAG123 (talk) 21:31, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We have almost none of the data for that style of infobox. Furius (talk) 21:59, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We have some of the data, at least the important aspects Such as Empire ruled Estate/Capital, last ruler, year ended, titles used by rulers. This type of infobox is a standard for dynasty related pages so it would match the Manuel of style. It would also allow readers to distinguish this page from Chola Empire.  SKAG123 (talk) 19:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi SKAG123, I request you to change the map of Chola Empire in Sri Lanka region. Entire Sri Lanka is part of Chola Empire. Source: Spencer, G. W. The Politics of Plunder: The Cholas in Eleventh-Century Ceylon. The Journal of Asian Studies 1976, 35 (3), 405–419. https://doi.org/10.2307/2053272 According to Spencer, “Under Rajendra Chola I, perhaps the most aggressive king of his line, Chola raids were launched southward from Rajarattha into Rohana. By his fifth year, Rajendra claimed to have completely conquered Ceylon, a claim that has led some historians to assert that Rajendra "completed" the conquest Rajaraja had begun. But the Cholas never really consolidated their control over southern Ceylon, which in any case lacked large and prosperous settlements to tempt long-term Chola occupation". If you read that you can understand that Cholas never Consolidated(Strengthen) their control over South Ceylon which means they had control. I am not sure about South East Asia Region,but sure about Sri Lanka that was part of Chola empire.So change the map now. Ranithraj (talk) 15:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving detail 

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message: Chola claim descendant from Suryavanshihttps://books.google.co.in/books?id=LIhVFba4cF8C&pg=PA88&dq=chola+dynasty+claim+suryawanshi&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjg54zfyoeEAxVFaGwGHY_pBxAQ6AF6BAgOEAM#v=onepage&q=chola%20dynasty%20claim%20suryawanshi&f=falsehttps://www.newindianexpress.com/opinions/2021/May/07/ancestry-of-cholas-revisiting-the-copper-plates-2299489.html Aley star (talk) 12:19, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 16:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 January 2024