Talk:Phodopus

message: dwarf hamsters are nocturnal that means they sleep in day and there awake at night. they are very small and there are thousands of speiceis of them all of them i know are called chinese dwarf hamster, russian dwarf hamster, russian winter dwarf hamster,chinese winter dwarf hamster.
unsigned comment added by 75.186.65.3 (talk) 01:02, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nocturnal

message: I do appreciate you adding the section. The trouble is that the source is a Lycos $13 bucks a year, do-it-yourself site. I vaguely remember content in one of these hamster articles that was probably sourced from this site.
The material in the source looks like dubious original research to me, as does other diet section content. Stomach upset and diabetes? How can you tell? Tomatoes are okay, but acid is bad? They eat carrots and fruit in the wild? Really. But don't give them sugar. My original research conflicts with it:
* Seem like they can eat pretty much anything and be very happy.
* Giving rodents meat (except of bugs) prompts them to become canibalistic.
* Some of my hamsters eat lots of sugar, and I haven't seen any tiny little bottles of insulin laying around. (Although three of my hamsters are like small whales.)
What we need a more credible source. I'm sorry to say that removing the section might be best for now. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a book, but how can I list that as a source? Puffin Let's talk! 10:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I found out how to list it as a source, is it fine now? Puffin Let's talk! 10:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Diet section

message: I am willing to take on the copy edit requested of the GOCE, but the following issues need clearing up first:
*Nomenclature: Phodopus should not be equated to "dwarf hamster". MSW3 and the IUCN Red list both equate dwarf hamster to genus Cricetus. Smith and Xie, in A Guide to the Mammals of China, list both genera as dwarf hamsters. My view is to note that Phodopus species are some, but not all, of the species referred to as dwarf hamsters, and have done with it, using Phodopus only from then on.
*(less vital) In the case of P.campbelli, just "Campbell's hamster" seems the best name to use, as in the Red List. (MSW3 calls it Campbell's desert hamster.) (doesn't seem necessary after all) --Stfg (talk) 13:16, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes please, you can do that. Sorry for the slow reply. Puffin Let's talk! 14:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues prior to copy edit 

message: It is my opinion that articles are improved by comparisons. Without a comparison, "small size" in the lead section is meaningless.
Hence, I propose adding something like:(As a comparison, the golden hamster is .)
Lhynard (talk) 21:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small size 

message: Note that I think it is important to say somewhere in the article what distinguishes Phodopus from Cricetulus, even if it is just genetic comparisons. ~ Lhynard 19:14, 29 November 2011 J Milburn (talk) 17:39, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Puffin Let's talk! 10:12, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved from article 

message: This quote is from the newly revised Behavior section. This seems to conflict with everything I have ever seen or read about Roborovskis, which are always said to be the "smallest and fastest" hamsters. Is this information about Robos' speed simply urban legend then? Or are they exceptions to the rule for the rest of the genus? (They certainly look like they are fast when they run on their wheels — I can't even see their legs!)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhynard (talk • contribs) 17:05, 3 December 2011‎
:I assume the source is comparing them to slow in relavence to humans, which seems a bit silly, as 4mph is classified as "slow" as a walking pace. I will clarify this. Puffin Let's talk! 16:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speed clarification needed 

message: Since Puffin and I are in WP:RODENT, in the meantime can we change this to a B class article? It's certainly that by now, and its status as a GA is unrelated to its quality scale rating. How does this work; is it simply a matter of one of us in WP:RODENT changing the template at the top of this page? ~ Lhynard (talk) 23:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it to C class because it was a stub when I first edited it. Puffin Let's talk! 09:11, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So how does the policy work? Can someone else — i.e., me — bump it up to B? It's come a long way in the last week! ~ Lhynard (talk) 11:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't have to ask me, be bold and do it yourself! Puffin Let's talk! 14:52, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  B Class? 

message: Thanks for the comments. It would be great if you do edit the article! There are lots of things to clean up throughout. Bulleting the key would be great too, or even replacing the hyphens with some other symbols. What if at each level of indent we had a different bullet symbol?
I will continue to add refs as I work on this. I like your idea of removing the individual species treatments since we can link that section. We could also keep the entry, but rather than the info that is there now, we could put something more relevant and brief. I think I will go ahead and remove the dubious or irrelevant stuff, but leave the major headings for now.
As for the maps, if we can get a map of the general area, it might be possible to use a graphics program to draw the ranges.
I think the article is really coming together. Thanks!Michaplot (talk) 20:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is. Thanks for all your work on it. I'm not sure about the different bullet symbols; I think that may not conform to the MoS. But the nesting can be as you have done it, anyway. OK about keeping individual species sections and making them briefer. I've asked User:Ucucha for advice about maps, and for any comments he may like to make here otherwise. --Stfg (talk) 20:31, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you so much for all of your work! The article is really improving! Puffin Let's talk! 09:48, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Revision in Progress