Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pokémon/Archive 7

message: Noticed the page was getting longer that perfered and archived it. Feel free to restore anything needed. I kept FFA and "Things to do until Saturday". Alvin6226  talk  02:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if it's time for another archive? It's been only a little over two weeks, and already this page is at 180 kilobytes long; The reason I'm bringing this up instead of waiting silently is that my dial-up-connection browser is actually struggling to fully open up this page. And to be frank, some sections are really cluttered. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 06:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving 

message: === Next Pokémon Creature Article ===
* Something inside me really wants to see Plusle become a good article. Perhaps it's the . (But it would be alanis if Minun became good first.) --Damian Yerrick (☎) 22:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They should both be good articles, it would be strange if one was good and the other wasn't.  Minun  (talk) 17:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure, just point out any problems with this article and I'll help you fix them.  Minun  (talk) 15:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure, just point out any problems in this article  Minun  (talk) 15:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Merge "Appearance" with intro, cleanup the videogames, prose TCG, expand anime. If you check Eevee, a Rapidash appears in the same manga chapter, it has the same plot has the Rapidash race. Yeah, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've managed to do most of it, but there was a few parts I had trobule with. I hope my editing helps.  Minun  (talk) 15:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It's certainly interesting vandalism... Highway Rainbow Sneakers 19:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Reverted, it's been sitting like that a week. The IP's been doing it to various articles, but he got reverted. But never warned. He is now the owner of a final warning, since I'm not in the charitable mood. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 19:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't know much about the manga, but I would be happy to help with the TCG section.  Minun  (talk) 15:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure, just point out any problems again.  Minun  (talk) 17:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've noticed that page had a rather small amount of content. I'm improving parts of it, but I need help on the sections focusing on Paras' role in the Pokémon things I'm not into(the anime, manga, and card game) --RandomOrca2 04:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree, I think that should be our next focused article  Minun   (マイナン)  10:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It lacks everything, should be our next focused article  Minun   (マイナン)  15:50, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and reformatted the sections to meet the PCP standards. --Chuchunezumi 08:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: how's that, i did everything i could in reference to the game and anime, i don't much else about the rest of it, i'll see if i can add some media related stuff Zappernapper 17:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

text: fixed the sections, but still needs a lot of rewriting. -Zappernapper 17:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Natu has been pampered, more or less. Now someone should insert that Pokestart template to the top of the page. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 20:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

text: By the way, that's Max (Pokémon) (obviously). And come to think of it, even Poké Ball and Team Aqua and Team Magma need help. Thoughts?? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Max (Pokémon) needs the borrowed Pokémon section removed, and lots more cleanup, so it would thus be good as a miscellena next article--XenoNeon (converse) 11:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Make sure the ugly table of Pokémon is replaced with prose! Please! - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Pokémon character articls are now being taken care of by WP:PAC2, so we should be taking a non-character article. How about Poké Ball or Glitch City?? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that Pokemon Ranger should be our next focus.--Ac1983fan (talk • contribs) 23:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's not do a speculative article if we can at all avoid it. Poké Ball needs a lot of love, Max (Pokémon) needs work despite the presence of WP:PAC2. and all of the glitches still need to be collapsed into a single article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WHAT?! If the glitches are merged, we need to transwiki the original articles somewhere else. Okay, so they don't belong in an encyclopedia, but they're very informative for people who want to exploit the glitches. And they're much better than their Bulbapedia counterparts. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 06:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, lets just all point out all the problems with the article, this way we can find out which is most important, and we can help fix the article.  Minun  (talk) 17:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: was anyone even aware of this scary thing?  i'm not even sure it really deserves it's own page.  I'm tempted to speedy delete it unless someone out there thinks they can turn it into something resebling an article. Zappernapper 07:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Focus Articles 

message: * Something inside me really wants to see Plusle become a good article. Perhaps it's the . (But it would be alanis if Minun became good first.) --Damian Yerrick (☎) 22:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They should both be good articles, it would be strange if one was good and the other wasn't.  Minun  (talk) 17:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure, just point out any problems with this article and I'll help you fix them.  Minun  (talk) 15:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure, just point out any problems in this article  Minun  (talk) 15:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Merge "Appearance" with intro, cleanup the videogames, prose TCG, expand anime. If you check Eevee, a Rapidash appears in the same manga chapter, it has the same plot has the Rapidash race. Yeah, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've managed to do most of it, but there was a few parts I had trobule with. I hope my editing helps.  Minun  (talk) 15:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It's certainly interesting vandalism... Highway Rainbow Sneakers 19:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Reverted, it's been sitting like that a week. The IP's been doing it to various articles, but he got reverted. But never warned. He is now the owner of a final warning, since I'm not in the charitable mood. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 19:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't know much about the manga, but I would be happy to help with the TCG section.  Minun  (talk) 15:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure, just point out any problems again.  Minun  (talk) 17:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've noticed that page had a rather small amount of content. I'm improving parts of it, but I need help on the sections focusing on Paras' role in the Pokémon things I'm not into(the anime, manga, and card game) --RandomOrca2 04:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree, I think that should be our next focused article  Minun   (マイナン)  10:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It lacks everything, should be our next focused article  Minun   (マイナン)  15:50, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and reformatted the sections to meet the PCP standards. --Chuchunezumi 08:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: how's that, i did everything i could in reference to the game and anime, i don't much else about the rest of it, i'll see if i can add some media related stuff Zappernapper 17:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

text: fixed the sections, but still needs a lot of rewriting. -Zappernapper 17:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Natu has been pampered, more or less. Now someone should insert that Pokestart template to the top of the page. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 20:31, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next Pokémon Creature Article 

message: Did an update of all the noted articles, so people can fix what's wrong without having to ask what's wrong. If you complete something, just strike it out. Highway Daytrippers 17:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update 

message: I reommend choosing Max as the next focus article. Thoughts? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 11:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, that's Max (Pokémon) (obviously). And come to think of it, even Poké Ball and Team Aqua and Team Magma need help. Thoughts?? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Max (Pokémon) needs the borrowed Pokémon section removed, and lots more cleanup, so it would thus be good as a miscellena next article--XenoNeon (converse) 11:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Make sure the ugly table of Pokémon is replaced with prose! Please! - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Pokémon character articls are now being taken care of by WP:PAC2, so we should be taking a non-character article. How about Poké Ball or Glitch City?? The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 07:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that Pokemon Ranger should be our next focus.--Ac1983fan (talk • contribs) 23:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's not do a speculative article if we can at all avoid it. Poké Ball needs a lot of love, Max (Pokémon) needs work despite the presence of WP:PAC2. and all of the glitches still need to be collapsed into a single article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WHAT?! If the glitches are merged, we need to transwiki the original articles somewhere else. Okay, so they don't belong in an encyclopedia, but they're very informative for people who want to exploit the glitches. And they're much better than their Bulbapedia counterparts. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 06:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, lets just all point out all the problems with the article, this way we can find out which is most important, and we can help fix the article.  Minun  (talk) 17:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: was anyone even aware of this scary thing?  i'm not even sure it really deserves it's own page.  I'm tempted to speedy delete it unless someone out there thinks they can turn it into something resebling an article. Zappernapper 07:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next Miscellaneous Article 

message: Speaking of which, I'm removing the trivia, alternate-language names, dub edits, goofs, continuity gaffes, extra images, and any other junk from the episode articles. This is leaving a trail of plot-summary-only stubs in my wake, unfortunately, but these articles are awful, and need some help immediately.
The next step is to see about structure for merging them. Anyone want to help? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely understand. In my opinion, no episodes should get their own articles, and only the notable ones should be on the list. Aside from this, it may be too tempting for anons who have a lot of time on their hands to summarize every single episode on the lists, and if we have the Mantine episode summarized on the list(my favorite :), they have a good point in asking why the Puzzle of Pokémopolis and Pinkan island episodes cannot be as well. (If you look around you'll see I have had bad experiences with both of those places; I still have seizures from time-to-time.) A little bit of confrontation here may save a many confrontations in the future.  The Hybrid 05:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: there's absolutely no reason we can't list a meaningless episode, giving it's name, japanese translation and number (air date if possible) like that which is already found at List of Pokémon episodes.  Hybrid, feel free to read the topic #Rhapsody in_drew_deletion was not good.... to see the the previous, lengthy, discussion on this.  AMIB, that sounds like a fine solution - so that will of course include articles of the banned, edited sort?  Does Pokémon, I choose you! remain important enough to keep it's own page?  If anything, even if there was no big buzz about that episode, it was the one which started the poke-anime craze.  oh and does ne1 know y on the List they have the numbering for american episodes starting at 2?-Zappernapper 14:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

text:  This is due to English version numbering being the order in which the episodes were aired on the WB and later CN.  Later reruns in English restored the proper order. This was stated in the first sentence of the article.  kelvSYC 20:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

text: (edit conflict) :*laughs at "boondoggle"* i wonder who would say that Lights, Camerupt, Action! would be "character-defining".... neways, i think a point needs to be made that at least shows of series like Simpsons, Family Guy, and Soth Park consistently deal with issues that can be discussed in an encyclopedic fashion, additionally these shows tend to maintain a strong continuity so discussing the views they express and continuity errors makes sense. Pokemon cannot make this case no matter how hard anyone tries, especially of the later episodes. Futurama's kind of iffy due to the fact you could discuss the way each episode portrays a futuristic world a la Star Trek - making commentary on current affairs affecting the future (giant garbage ball threatens to decimate Earth), but they're pushing it, and Xiolin Showdown should not have a complete episode guide - we shouldn't follow bad examples. I still see no reason why we can't maintain simple tabular lists that summarize the stories like in my sandbox. btw i updated the episode page here for those of you who've already seen it. AMIB - the first episode's cultural impact is that it was the first episode, it was the first one i saw and was what got me interested in the first place - this is true of several other people i'm sure, and what began the fad (of course few fads i know of are listed in two seperate decades...). KelvSYC, there have actually been three (?) FA that were on individual pokemon, Pikachu and Torchic, not just Bulbasaur. The reason each species was granted its own article was because it was decided that encyclopedic content could be written on each one see WP:POKEMON for the nitty gritty - encyclopedic content cannot be written on each episode of pokemon, they're too episodic like AMIB said for conitunuity errors to be anything other than cruft, and very few of them deal with any cultural issues (most notably there are episodes that deal with environmental issues, and child-rearing options). To me the only ones worth giving special treatment to are those that were banned, if only to discuss the reasons they were banned in detail, and give references. For example with the Jynx episode, we could discuss who specifically had an issue with it, and what they said in any press releases. -Zappernapper 21:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ummm.... btw, i don't think merging them will be an issue, there are already pages at List of Pokémon Original Series episodes, List of Pokémon Advanced Generation episodes, and even List of Pokémon Diamond and Pearl episodes.  It looks like most of what we've been watning done has already been there, just a pain to try and find :) -Zappernapper 21:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: L,C,A! is character defining for...uh...Ask's Torkoal! (Personally, I don't think Family Guy or Futurama should have episode guides on Wikipedia either, but that's neither here nor there.) - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:57, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

text:  i'm inclined to agree... they push it a little, save for the fact that family guy consistently tends to do something controversial.  we need to start WikiTV.org for these people. -Zappernapper 22:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Can we get back to Pokémon, please.
*To address the question that was posted after I logged off, the reason we cannot summarize every single episode is because the articles on the seasons would be HUGE, there is almost no way to organize those into good-sized articles.
*The first episode is notable because it is the first episode. 
*We cannot have articles on every individual episode because Pokémon is far more prone to vandalism than any of the series mentioned; try to keep those 450+ articles free of vandalism with our little group of 50 people. That is why we don't have individual articles for every episode, we have a hard enogh time as it is.
*If we follow my plan, which it sounds like we aren't, and it is a one paragraph summary for each notable episode, then the articles will still be rather large, but they will be managable. See first bullet-point for why to keep non-notable episodes out, aside from the non-notability.
*I have no problem with listing episode TITLES; it is summarizing them that creates a problem.  The Hybrid 00:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: That makes my point for me. If the first episode of one of the most influential animes in American history isn't notable enough to summarize in an article, then why should other episodes less profound than that one be summarized as well. I did the math, if we have three sentences for every episode, plus another two line for episode dividers, that comes out to 475 lines in the article on the first season, plus the intro and the other sections.  When you edit this page next, hit enter 475 times, that is a lot of space (I did it). Besides, are ANY Pokémon episodes outlined on non-fansites? By that logic, no episode is notable, but some are important. We are finally doing what has needed to be done for a long time; lets get it right. Rather than having three sentence summaries for every episode that maybe one person cares about as well as the important ones, lets have full, well written, eight sentence paragraphs for the important episodes and let Serebii handle the unimportant episodes. The Hybrid 01:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Two-three sentences = one-two lines. It really won't be as bad as it seems, really. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: ...waitaminute, I just did that math. I was thinking US airing seasons, ~13 or so episodes, not Japanese-style series, which is where you're getting your 95 episodes an article. No, we will not be having synopses for 100 or so episodes in each article, that won't work. I was thinking of breaking it up smaller than that. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: And what do you plan to put in that article? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the name of the episode is actually Pokémon, I Choose You, but that's a comon misconception.  and other sites exist which give synopsis of episodes, such as tv.com - but that's not the point.  so you want something to put in a "Reaction" section?  how about reviews from Amazon? lol it was put onto a DVD you know.... i'm done for today, will be logging on tomorrow.... g'night. -Zappernapper 01:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ach!2 edit conflicts... Anyways, I think that we should just merge them by season, and have a "Main article" thingy for the major episodes (badge, evolution of Pokémon, or a character (re)joins or leaves the group), the kind of episodes that A Man in Black said. Alvin6226  talk  01:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no, no! I don't want articles for those. Absolutely, positively, unequivically not. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh. I guess that is my opinion then. But am also fine with the merge by seasons without seperate major episode articles, because my way would be a lot more work.. Alvin6226  talk  02:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Probably deleted, and there won't be separate episode pages. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: That would be a long answer, but seeing as no episodes have their own articles anymore, the answer isn't important. 71.223.40.167 04:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleaning up the episode articles

message: All of the episode lists are more or less split. Since Hybrid went to bed and the original series list was incomplete, I used the somewhat less in-depth table from List of Pokémon episodes as a placeholder.
What's left to do:
*List of Pokémon: The Johto Journeys episodes and List of Pokémon: Johto League Champions episodes needs proper tables, using .
*:Those two articles need their airdate and lineup info filled in and un-commented out.
* needs proper documentation.
*Plot summaries need to be filled in for each episode, and many of the plot summaries need to be rewritten.
*All of the Pokémon episode articles need to be merged and redirected to their season article.
*:Some need to be merged to Banned episodes of Pokémon, instead.
*List of Pokémon episodes needs to be de-redlinked, save for links to Banned episodes of Pokémon.
*:List of Pokémon episodes needs to be overhauled and rewritten, but that can probably wait.
*Links to the sections of Banned episodes of Pokémon need to be added for the appropriate episode titles in the season articles.
There's a lot of work to do, but completion is within our grasp. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My brother is in the hospital, I am going to be gone for a long time, sorry. The Hybrid 22:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That table's too wide!  It forces my browser to scroll horizontally even when the window is maximized!  Yuck!  It inappropriate to have it so big; is this the one we're planning to put into the articles?  If I knew more about tables, I'd fix it myself. --Brandon Dilbeck 17:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Split is done

message: Apparently the removal of images from the episode list pages has stirred up a swarm of hornets. Let's talk about it some more, then.
These huge lists just can't reasonably have images. This is the most egregious possible abuse of the fair-use criteria, leading to hundreds and hundreds of images being used for "identification," most of them random frames taken from the episode. (For example, the image for Pokémon Emergency, which has lots of unique scenes, was just a random picture of Meowth that could have come from any episode.)
The case has been made that images are useful for identification. They can be, but a free alternative does exist for identification: brief encyclopedic prose describing the episode.
The case has been made that other lists, some of them featured, use images. This is no excuse; those lists should probably also abolish images, but this discussion isn't about those lists.
The edit warring on this subject has mostly been carried out by one user using several socks, but several more-reasonable editors have expressed concerns, so I wanted to address them. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Endorsed.  Fair use does not permit using images as decoration on a list.  The list is not made more functional by an image when well-written text is already there, nor does the text comment on the episode in a way that requires the image for comment or reference purposes.  Plus, the transcluded images make the page horribly slow for dialup users.  Other TV show articles with episode lists should also remove them (as was recently done at List of Lost episodes.  Two wrongs don't make a right. Thatcher131 15:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * The images on the episode lists improve the article, and the images can idenitfy the key points of the episode, the summary can do that too, but some people like to see whats going on in the episode. I will personally write summaries based storngly on the images. (Yugigx60 17:32, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images on episode pages

message: Aron, Lairon, Aggron, and Meditite now have proper introductions with Template:Pokestart. This is something we need to work on. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 22:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pokestart applied 

message: OrphanBot is removing our main images again.  Shuckle is the most recent victim.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now Blissey and Aron (Pokémon) have been hit.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:27, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tatetopusu.  Damn, it works fast!  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't know how to do image sourcing.  Is there anyone that can?  Togepi and Trapinch are also gone.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to figure out where the image came from originally. If you can't, then it should be deleted, and replaced with an image when you find a new one. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I did Togepi, Trapinch, Shuckle, Aron and Blissey. To look at all of the image that have sources and fair use rationales, please see :Category:Pokémon lead images. If anyone wants a job, you can go through all 400! ;) Highway Daytrippers 11:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image removal 

message: In the introduction, when we explain what words a Pokémon's name is made of, we ought to put those words in "quotation marks", or preferably, italics.  See the article on use-mention distinction for more explantion.  Basically, since we're referring to the word itself and not their meanings, we're supposed to italicize them.  I've just seen this used incorrectly in a few Pokémon articles.  --Brandon Dilbeck 22:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't Torchic and Charizard in line with that? I'm not quite sure what you're describing, but I do something similar. Highway Daytrippers 22:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've noticed a trend of seeing them emboldened.  Sableye was one Pokémon I randomly searched for, and it had those words in bold.  Emboldening the words aren't really the right way to mention the words; bold is used more for making text stand out.  --Brandon Dilbeck 23:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use-mention distinction 

message: Is there a source for the names of Eevee's new evolutions?  They are currently named Leafia and Glacia.  I know that "Glacia" won't work because it's the name of an Elite Four member of Hoenn (of course, it's not her Japanese name).  I'm very skepticle, and the fact remains that there are already articles created with these names.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pokebeach hacked the ROM, no one's actually caught them yet, as far as I know. I noticed the Glacia problem too, and I was thinking we could move Glacia (Pokémon) to Glacia (Elite Four), until they get merged. Who is merging them, I'd do it, but I don't know what admin tools are required for the job. Highway Daytrippers 08:00, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No admin tools whatsoever. Just click the move link at the top of the page. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To merge the Elite Four? I was meaning about the list, you'd need tools to merge all the articles into one. The histories anyway. Highway Daytrippers 08:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm RfDing that page, which is now a redirect. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 23:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Wow, adminship really is no big deal. ;) Highway Daytrippers 08:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It would be in Japanese, so how would you know? Serebii's confirmed them, so I did a lot of the work on List of Elite Four members, what do people think? Highway Daytrippers 18:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, I've seen the screencaps by Serebii now, and yes, those are the Japanese names given to the two Eevee evolutions. I'm in the process of translating the pokédex entries now, but since my Japanese is very limited and without the use of kanji in the dex entries, it'll be a bit more difficult for me to actually get the correct meaning across. -- DarkS Umbreon 23:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen them too.  Hopefully they will follow the previous pattern and give them the -eon suffix when they translate the games.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 23:57, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

text: What about Leafia?  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 07:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Never mind, Glacia was returned to screen cap.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 17:01, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted the image, the image was inappropriate for an enclyopedia article, and probably a breach of copyright. HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 17:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it have been a breach of copyright if it was the official image (seeing as we already use Sugimori art for the other articles) just blown up and cleaned up for viewing purposes? Also I've stubbed it as with the pokeimage tag, disclaiming all ownership. I don't know. But nevertheless, I have done up the Leafia sprite as well in case we do wish to have them there until the official Sugimori art surfaces. -- DarkS Umbreon 00:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eevee's evolutions 

message: This person  is constantly putting false information on various Pokémon articles.  Being misinformed is one thing, but it seems like this user is purposely trying to sabotage the hard work of everyone involved with this WikiProject.  I don't know if there is really anything that can be done, but I thought I'd bring it to everyone's attention here.  So far, I think every Pokémon edit the user created has been reverted.  Even after being warned on their talk page.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 14:57, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I recall viewing this user's activity a week ago.  The problem is that most of these edits look like they're at least ignorant or misguided changes, and not clear-cut vandalism.  I can see why she might think that Mewtwo could evolve from Mew.  The least we can do is keep our eyes on her contributions. --Brandon Dilbeck 17:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They seem to be a good contributor, they're reverting vandalism, but kinda creating more problems. Other times they are causing it, so they're in the balance. Is Togepi a Basic Pokémon? Highway Daytrippers 18:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We may need to reconsider that because Togepi's line has a new evolution. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 18:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It comes out an egg! Always an egg. Can it breed? Highway Daytrippers 20:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Togepi is considered a "baby" (it cannot breed).  Togekiss is most likely a Stage 1.  However, I don't think that Togetic is ever encountered in the wild.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 00:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  When does it stop being "Good Faith"? 

message: Like most shows on wikipedia there are seprete pages for the episodes. So I think its stupid. So what do you think of all the links I provided... Are all they fancruft to????
**List of Rugrats episodes
**24 (season 5)#Episode_summaries
**List of Prison Break episodes
**List of Malcolm in the Middle_episodes
**List of Will & Grace episodes
**List of The Simpsons episodes
**:Category:Pokémon episodes
**:Category:Yu-Gi-Oh! GX episodes
**List of King of the Hill episodes
**List of SpongeBob SquarePants episodes
Emphatically so. Those individual episode articles are terrible. In the rare occasion where there's so much that has been said in reliable sources about an episode (Abyssinia, Henry is a good example) we can surely have an article, but that's not true for all of the Pokémon episodes save possibly "Electric Soldier Porygon", which is already covered at length in two different articles (Banned episodes of Pokémon and Criticism of Pokémon). - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? Why do we need images in addition to plot summaries to identify those images? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: If there isn't notability, meaning reliable secondary sources, the articles are not allowed to exist. They may be important to many Pokémon fans, but the notability just isn't there. The Hybrid 06:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The same thing has been used to justify the existence of individual episode articles of some of the series (that it is important to the understanding of a notable series) in the list above. No one would argue that articles on individual episodes of The Simpsons, Star Trek, Doctor Who, or Buffy the Vampire Slayer should be removed because of the lack of notability.  Pokémon is the longest running English-adapted anime series (this according to Pokémon (anime)), and so it deserves to receive similar treatment and get individual episode articles.  kelvSYC 20:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I get what you are saying, that point has been brought up many times; the one thing that people seem to forget is that there are more than 475 Pokémon episodes. Even if we only did the DUBed ones that have already aired, there will soon be more than 450. There are ~60 PCP members, we are barely able to keep the articles we already have free of vandelism, we can not handle 400 more to patrol. The Hybrid 21:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pokemon episode pages 

message: Meteor Falls into Fallarbor Town Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 20:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. The Hybrid 21:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More merger 

message: I came up with a plan to restructure the Glacia/Glacia (Pokémon) mess.
A new disambiguation page will reside at Glacia, the former's page at the current Elite Four page...the Elite Four member's page will reside at Glacia (Elite Four). We have nowhere else to go with this.
Before:
(article name/content/new content)
Glacia/PKMN/dab
Glacia (Pokémon)/E4/PKMN
Glacia (Elite Four)/none/E4
This'll require an admin for part of it. When WP:TVS needed to move KUWB to KUCW to match new calls, KUCW needed to move to KMCB first and the redirect had to go. Actually, one of their members (Firsfron) is an admin, so that might have been fixed. The E4 article needs to move first, then the old home of that article will go under CSD G6, then the PKMN article can move and the redirect will be edited to become a dab. --Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 01:56, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't we have all the Elite Four into one article somewhere? Alvin6226  talk  02:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think this will even be important in a few months.  Nintendo will probably rename Glacia for the American release... --Brandon Dilbeck 02:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, they will make it end in -eon. Same with the grass type evolution. The Hybrid 14:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text: All the Elite 4 are merged at List of Elite Four members anyway. HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 07:39, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Closed up. I am RfDing the old Elite Four article turned into a redirect. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 23:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glacia restructure 

message: I have found an idea to clean out our disastrous stub city: :Category:Pokémon stubs. I will do certain articles, excluding articles that are related to Diamond and Pearl, slated for a merge, deemed unexpandable and need special attention, voice actors for the anime or manga-related articles (those are not considered in the Improvement Campaign), or in any AfD nomination.
We start with Crystal (Pokémon). In the queue are Genius Sonority, Ken Sugimori, Monster Brain, Pokemon Trading Figure Game (first needs a special character move), Pokémon breeding, Ruby (Pokémon), Sootopolis City, and Verdanturf Town. We're not aiming for GA, most of these are off-beat articles that don't need to be GA. We just want to get these out of stub country. These are pretty hard articles to improve, but it's a challenge we will fight.
This is also an "alternate focus", so our other two foci are not affected. Articles I put in here are off beat and run the gamut from the manga to the games, anime to other media.
The start, though, lies not in the starter article, but four into the queue, where I will be moving that article. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 02:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shin'ou's TTV presents the Improvement Campaign 

message: Behold, then, my final suggestion concerning all this, and I think this is the way that will be supported by a clear consensus: We're able to classify all the other Pokemon properly using the Baby-Basic-Stage1-Stage2 system, but Togepi, Togetic, Togekiss, Riolu, and Lucario are ambiguous cases. To take care of these Pokemon: Just remove the Evolutionary Stage cell from their respective infoboxes the way A Man In Black hacked the Pokemon Infobox a while back. It's not like we're losing a lot of information here; people will still see what each of those Pokemon evolve from and/or to by looking at the other cells. This will kinda remove any edit wars from those articles while keeping all the other Pokemon unscathed and the in-universe card-game classification intact and working for all of them. Doesn't this seem like a simple solution? Thoughts, please. ^_^ Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 19:04, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That does seem like a good solution, although I still prefer simple basic/stage 1/stage 2 classification. -Amarkov babble 20:04, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a good solution. Simple, but good.Floramage
What if we removed the current Stage element from the infoboxes, replacing it with a Pokémon's entire evolutionary line?  For instance, Golem's infobox would list Geodude, Graveler, and Golem; this would allow the reader to easily infer that Golem is the third Pokémon in the line.  It would also provide immediate links to each of the Pokémon in the evolutionary line.  --Brandon Dilbeck 21:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm increasingly unhappy with how much in-universe info is crammed into the infobox. That said, I could make it work, if it's what people want. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:12, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, aren't infoboxes meant to give in-universe info so that it won't appear in the rest of the article and bloat it up? As for the fully-listed Pokemon evolution trees in the infobox idea that Brandon Dilbeck (never knew that was the last name of that Frontier Brain!) proposes, I'm for whatever works best for the project and has reasonable consensus behind it. That's the wat the serebii.net Pokedex pages do it, and we kinda have an example of an entire family in one article's infobox in the Eevee article. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 01:19, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like a good idea to me, too. -Amarkov babble 01:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I got a working template along those lines at User:Amarkov/pokeinfoboxwork. If we decide to use it, good, although we'd have to go through and change every page. I think I could get around that, at the cost of having the template be really ugly. And if we don't change it, I got some template coding practice. Yay. -Amarkov babble 02:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It seems I can't get around it without keeping stage classifications in. It takes me about five full lines of parser functions to stop the problem for middle stages in 3-stage evolutions and pokemon that have no evolution chain, the inconvenience of which overshadows by far saving work on maybe 100 creature articles. (Unless we like an unreadable template?) Nothing can be done about the rest, even in theory. So it looks like if we do this, someone has to go edit every creature article. -Amarkov babble 04:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking it could look something like this.  Simplicity would probably be best; listing how Pokémon evolve might be tricky because it sometimes varies between games—Espeon uses the Sun Ribbon in Mystery Dungeon, but through happiness at daytime in other games; this sort of info could be more easily handled in the body of the article, but I don't think anyone was wanting to add "how" to the infoboxes anyway.  Note that the box in the example is actually smaller than the combined sizes of the Stage, Evolves From, and Evolves To boxes.  --Brandon Dilbeck 04:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks like mine, except my evolution chain box lists them horizontally instead of vertically. I agree that adding in the method of evolution would be too hard. -Amarkov babble 04:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Something nice about this is that for Pokémon with later additions made to evolutionary lines, such as Pikachu (as with Pichu) and Togepi (Togekiss), all of the Pokémon are kept in line in the infoboxes—it's like an alternative to heading to the list of Pokémon by stage to see a Pokémon's entire evolutionary line.  It might be worth thinking about how to handle Pokémon that don't evolve (like Tauros—would we just leave the word Tauros by itself in the box, or perhaps merely note that it "Does not evolve"?  And Pokémon with multiple evolutions, such as Slowpoke, might also require some tricky arrangement.  Like with Hitmonlee—would we incorporate Hitmonchan in the chain?  Maybe we could handle that with indentation, like this.  --Brandon Dilbeck 04:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I was thinking of branching the chain, but unlike my idea, that actually works for Eevee. That seems best. -Amarkov babble 04:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Branching?  How so?  How would you have branched the Pokémon?  --Brandon Dilbeck 04:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Have some switch for whether or not there is a branch, and then put one evo on one side and one on the other. But it doesn't wokr well. -Amarkov babble 04:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, with a bit of added ugliness, I got a working template. I had to replace the old parameters with lowestevo, middleevo, and highestevo, branchmiddleevo, and branchhighestevo, so the name of the pokemon will have to be entered twice, and we'll have to put in the new parameters before switching, if we decide to. Except on the Eeveelutions, where I just hacked in the right thing to avoid dealing with six more parameters. -Amarkov babble 14:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a really, really inelegant hack. I think I can probably simplify it a lot, plus keep backwards-compatibility with the current params. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Feel free to try. I couldn't get anything working, although I am relatively new at template coding. -Amarkov babble 02:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd really like to see an example of the working template you got.  Think you could show what Wurmple might look like?  --Brandon Dilbeck 02:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the original infobox as well as my not-yet-complete hack to that scratch page. Feel free to comment on any of the various versions, if anyone has any ideas. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: By the way, my hack isn't done and won't be getting done tonight. I'm burned out for tonight. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: ACK. DON'T DO THAT YET. Let's get the template working first. It'll keep for a day or two while work goes on in scratch pads. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, patience, grasshopper.  There is two things we ought to do before implementing this.  First, we ought to give time to see what others in the PCP think about these changes.  Second, we ought to see about naming the things—what are they called, the things that are currently labelled "branchevolvestoto"—maybe a more intuitive name could be used?  But no rush.  There's certainly no hurry.  --Brandon Dilbeck 04:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I can't really picture anything more complicated than Wurmple's evolution.  I'd give it till Friday by the earliest to see what others think.  This is something rather major, and will impact every species page and may require edits on all of them.  And I just thought of something.  What about Pokémon that don't evolve at all?  Ideas for that?  --Brandon Dilbeck 05:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's not much more complicated than Wurmple's evolution, but it's much easier to make it work for Wurmple than for its evolutions. No idea what to do for pokemon that don't evolve, though. -Amarkov babble 13:19, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe a simple "Does not evolve" would be suitable.  Don't ask me to code it, though.  --Brandon Dilbeck 01:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Should it just say "Does not evolve", or should it include the name, too? -Amarkov babble 01:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it'd be obvious enough without the Pokémon's name, but whatever floats your boat... --Brandon Dilbeck 02:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Without the name is shorter, so I don't have an issue with that. -Amarkov babble 02:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Togepi solution

message: Ok so in the past week, there have been many new articles about the new Pokemon etc. But many of them are not consistant. Ie, some of them have the original Japanese romanization, and others have romanizations people found from different websites that are not "sources" for their "official" romanizations. Can't we just keep the names like they are for now (romanizated through the hepburn method), and then later on rename them as their official romanizations get released?Shaojian 00:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is, we're not making them. Highway Daytrippers 06:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And many of the pages that were Romanizations are now re-directs.  It's not so easy to move those back to where they once were.  Unless you copy and paste and re-direct some more.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th Gen Romanization 

message: For instance, in Wailord's article, pokedex numbers are listed both in the infobox and the main text. Is there a reason for this, or should I remove it? -Amarkov babble 13:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox is there to summarise information in the article, so there's no reason why the main text can't say it too. Regards, —Celestianpower háblame 14:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel that we shouldn't be putting the Pokédex numbers in the main body of the articles unless it's important ("Bulbasaur is first in the Pokédex").  A Pokémon's number really doesn't say much about it, and with four games, there are some Pokémon with four different Dex numbers:Fakémon is #058 in the National Pokédex, #120 in the Johto Dex, #103 in the Hoenn Dex, and #87 in the Shinou Dex.I don't think that sentence is very attractive—it's just a big mouthful of information that I would personally skim over.  The infobox is there to list a Pokémon's Pokédex numbers.  --Brandon Dilbeck 18:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Brandon on this one.  I always look to the infobox for the numbers, not scroll around the article to find a short list of them in the main body.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 19:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, if you feel it's better without them, then remove them. They are articles, free to be edited at will. I just don't feel we should prescribe in this regard. Thanks! —Celestianpower háblame 20:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I've been noticing redundant information. 

message: All users have been asked to participate in a mediation relating to the use images in articles detailing episodes of the Pokémon anime. If you wish to input into discussion, you can do so here, all help is welcomed towards a positive resolution. Cheers, Highway Daytrippers 21:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless anyone objections, the agreed resolutions above will be made policy and detailed here. Objectors will be given a 48 hour window to make their case before the mediation is finalised. Highway Daytrippers 11:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been an objection. The discussion will continue until a consensus is reached. If you wish to join in the discussion, please do. Your ideas will be much appreciated. The Hybrid 04:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image discussion 

message: Is it standard for the abbreviation to be used in Pokémon articles? I saw it in Milotic and mistook it for some slang term. I think that "same type attack bonus" should be written out, as to be more easily understood by a general audience. --Gray PorpoisePhocoenidae, not Delphinidae 19:52, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to policy, we shouldn't have any abbreviations on articles, so just change it. More overall, it would be best re-worded to something less fan orientated, for general readers. Good eye though, HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 20:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  STAB 

message: Can an admin move Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (DS) back to Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, someone moved to "avoid confusion with the bootleg. Personally, I believe that a note that said -
"For the bootleg game, Pokémon Diamond, see Telefang."
I see no point in moving the entire article since there never was a bootleg Pearl. Thoughts? HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 07:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Thanks. —Celestianpower háblame 08:26, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  *rolls eyes* 

message: The Portal:Pokémon selected article has been updated, you can suggest new articles, here. HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 19:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't even know there was a Pokémon portal.  What are portals for, anyway?  --Brandon Dilbeck 19:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one knows, and we're not supposed to ask. ;) Kidding, portals are like navigation points for subjects, which present strong articles, core topics, navigation points and newly released information that can't be logged into individual articles until they are expanded. Essentially, Portals are for both editors and readers, and should be updated, by the overseeing WikiProject (hinthint - us) HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 19:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which isn't ever done, except for the selected article. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 15:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I used to, but it took nearly an hour every day to keep all the areas, with the images, updated weekly. There's so much archiving, tagging, selecting, cleaning, notifying, I gave up when the images got removed, because they it wasn't attractive anymore. HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 15:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I know. I tried updating the news for a bit, result being that it kept getting out-of-date everytime I took a wikibreak. Anyway, I ultimately removed the News and DYK sections from the Portal, and no one seems to have noticed at all. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 15:35, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you re-add them? HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 16:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so. But who's gonna update them?? --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 21:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Done. Get to work. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 06:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[P:P/FAA]] 

message: Just a heads up; Nidorina page has been vandalised, I'd revert but I'd probably cause the site to explode (haven't reverted before >.<) RBlowes 07:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done and done.  Ciao!  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 07:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And we have the nukes on line 1, we're going to wait for Jimbo to revert, and then make it explode. ;) HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 07:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverting is easy, and harmless if you mess up, because if you somehow mess it up, you or somebody else can revert your revert!  --Brandon Dilbeck 17:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The same IP vandalized Dunsparce. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 19:35, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandals

message: I've merged the Kanto, Johto and Hoenn gym leaders, so can someone delete these templates? 
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Cheers, HHighway Grammar Enforcer! 08:33, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, done and done. Thanks! —Celestianpower háblame 17:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Elite Four members]] 

message: Because it couldn't be confirmed whether Togepi was a Baby or Basic Pokémon, it was removed from its infobox.  However, are we going to do the same for the rest of them?  And if so, what of the List of Pokémon by Stage, and these new categories that seemed to have sprung up. "Category:Baby Pokémon", "Category:Basic Pokémon", "Category:Stage 1 Pokémon" and "Category:Stage 2 Pokémon"?  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 20:29, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wish we could just remove stage classification altogether. But I really think we should just not have a baby classification. Now that the baby forms of pokemon are catchable in the wild, what rationale is there for calling them babies? Especially since I believe they can breed now, too. -Amarkov babble 20:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I'm not sure if Babies can breed (that sounds kinda wrong), I think it should really be an all or nothing.  And these new categories are just going to bring up old arguments down the road.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 20:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, they still can't breed. But now that they're catchable in the wild, I think it would make more sense to call them basics and then say that they are unbreedable. -Amarkov babble 20:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the meantime, can we get these categories deleted?  We already have a list, they're just repeating info and we should kill them before they are finished.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 21:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Baby Pokémon CfD is up now. -Amarkov babble 21:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pocket Monster stages. 

message: In the Misty article, for the past few days, one or two people with the IP addresses , , and  have repeatedly been adding to the article that Misty is athiest, going by the "evidence" that she doesn't appear to practice any religion in the anime.  I'm looking for some help here.  --Brandon Dilbeck 23:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Semi-protection to end a content dispute won't be looked on too kindly... -Amarkov babble 18:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah.  No, I wasn't looking for protection, just for some backup in the discussion page.  --Brandon Dilbeck 22:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trouble with Misty 

message: I'm going to start using some Bulbapedia information to create stubs for some of the towns and cities in Shin'ou we don't have. We have it all up to Kurogane, but from there, the game locations template shows red. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 22:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shin'ou towns/cities 

message: Someone has started up an article about Pokemon and description.  I was originally going to just nominate if for deletion, but since I don't really know much about the topic, I thought I'd check here and let you decide how to handle it.  --Alan Au 22:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I speedily redirected it to List of Pokémon. It's Yet Another Useless List. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pokemon and description 

message: Please change the name to Pokemon WikiProject, or something similar, as PCP is a drug.--Atomic-Super-SuitWhat Have I Done?!  22:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh. It's not a big deal, and the name is practically tradition. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 22:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tradition?--Atomic-Super-SuitWhat Have I Done?!  01:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. We've had a weird name for quite a while now. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: D/P can be interpreted in a bad way, too. Doesn't stop people from using it. -Amarkov babble 02:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We've discussed this in the past, but this doesn't mean the topic's off limits; we basically didn't reach a consensus to change the name.  --Brandon Dilbeck 04:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please change name 

message: Blastoise in language  <--  Is this for real??  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 03:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely not. Seeing as I live in San Jose, I'm pretty sure I would know about that. -Amarkov babble 03:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: San Jose? That's very near where I edit in San Carlos, CA, and over here Pokemon in language is used by roughly two people: Me and myself. I either Pikachu in the shower or kick someone's Arseus so that it turns black and blue (which would be the Dark and Water element, respectively, I guess). I have archived that edit in my Keepers subpage, a little humor project of mine that documents intriguing Pokemon vandalism I come across. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 05:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have this vandalism from the Misty article in that page, right? Or is it not intriguing enough? -Amarkov babble 04:00, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hah! Thanks for the submission, I'm adding it to there. And actually, that makes me think that I should have that subpage's talk page open for anyone to submit an especially eye-raising edit they have found on this site's Pokemon pages. Of course, I wouldn't appreciate it if the submitters were the ones who created the vandalism... Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 06:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language. 

message: It's a Pokemon related proposed deletion, so I figured it couldn't hurt to note it here. Whose stupid idea was that article? -Amarkov babble 04:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Arseus knows whose it was. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 05:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

text: That article is so not Blastoise. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Ought to be Delcattyed at once. --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 05:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Fire Blast]] 

message: :Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pokémon game mechanics
:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pokémon types
:Add your input as needed :) — Dark Shikari talk/contribs 10:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pokemon articles up for deletion 

message: There was Fire Blast from before, and now I found this article on Skarmbliss. This is soo stupid. -Amarkov babble 13:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um... is that really necessary? After all, I was deliberately searching for stupid articles. -Amarkov babble 00:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Indeed it is. -Amarkov babble 00:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's look at stupid articles.  

message: Fire Blast:  (only edits to Fire Blast and Charmander) 
Blisskarm:  (2 Sandbox edits (related to article, as shown in this diff) and 2 Blisskarm edits)
Looks like something from new users that we are now going through AfD with. Shin'ou's TTV (Futaba|Masago|Kotobuki) 00:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed it is. -Amarkov babble 00:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Creators