Talk:Prince Charles of Hesse-Kassel

message: * Charles of Hesse → Prince Charles of Hesse — Prince Charles of Hesse was moved to/created as a form reserved for sovereigns on Wikipedia. I tried moving it, but a redirect was created. Charles 21:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Comment Until that clear substantive title is unearthed, he should be at the princely title which he would normally be accredited. Did he possibly adopt a landgravial title? Charles 00:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Such is an instance where a non-sovereign member of a "royal" family is colloquially referred to as prince. For certain he had the title of landgrave, like "princes" of Saxony were dukes in Saxony. Charles 01:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Per Wikipedia's naming conventions the title of the article should not be Prince Charles of Hesse, it should be Charles, Prince of Hesse. Any objection to this name? Joelito (talk) 14:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Where in the naming conventions did you get that formulation? He was not the Prince of Hesse. Charles 16:33, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is very unclear from the opening sentence in the article. Prince is a title but he was not prince. Sorry but I fail to understand. I am not accostumed to royalty but I am open to learning so that I may perform the right move. Joelito (talk) 16:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Appending a title the end of a name denotes either a sovereign or someone holding a title as head of a family, etc. Such titles are absolutely certain. Since there is question as to what his title was and it is certain that he was not a sovereign, then that form is incorrect. Charles 17:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for leaving the note; I had the same feeling, so I'm closing it as no consensus.  The debate is pretty dead, it seems.  Mangojuicetalk 19:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: The survey has been closed; the result of the discussion was no consensus, so the move is denied.  Mangojuicetalk 19:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Comment Until that clear substantive title is unearthed, he should be at the princely title which he would normally be accredited. Did he possibly adopt a landgravial title? Charles 00:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey 

message: As in request move reasoning. Charles 21:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Such is an instance where a non-sovereign member of a "royal" family is colloquially referred to as prince. For certain he had the title of landgrave, like "princes" of Saxony were dukes in Saxony. Charles 01:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Per Wikipedia's naming conventions the title of the article should not be Prince Charles of Hesse, it should be Charles, Prince of Hesse. Any objection to this name? Joelito (talk) 14:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Where in the naming conventions did you get that formulation? He was not the Prince of Hesse. Charles 16:33, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is very unclear from the opening sentence in the article. Prince is a title but he was not prince. Sorry but I fail to understand. I am not accostumed to royalty but I am open to learning so that I may perform the right move. Joelito (talk) 16:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Appending a title the end of a name denotes either a sovereign or someone holding a title as head of a family, etc. Such titles are absolutely certain. Since there is question as to what his title was and it is certain that he was not a sovereign, then that form is incorrect. Charles 17:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for leaving the note; I had the same feeling, so I'm closing it as no consensus.  The debate is pretty dead, it seems.  Mangojuicetalk 19:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: This particular Charles of Hesse is actually known in general as Charles of Hesse-Kassel (This name redirects here) -- his father is known as Frederick II, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel, and he was not a prince in the strictest sense. I have seen him referred to as "Count", but the sources did not seem authoritative. I think this article should be re-named "Charles of Hesse-Kassel". There is another personage known as "Prince Charles of Hesse" who was born in 1809 and was the son of the Grand Duke Louis II of Hesse and the Rhine, and the prince question should be settled by now anyway. I do not have time at the moment to do the moving, but I will attempt to do so in the future if still warranted. Still 15:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional Move Discussion 

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thread_title: Move discussion in progress