Talk:Iki (aesthetics)

message: The Tsu section of this page is partly plagiarized from Geisha: A Unique World of Tradition, Elegance and Art by John Gallagher, available on Google Books.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.120.70.33 (talk) 08:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The word "plagiarism" did catch my attention, but I don't yet understand what the anonymous comment was intended to achieve.  I did look at the Geisha text; and yes, it becomes immediately clear that the first two sentences of this paragraph were copied from this otherwise unreferenced source.  I've changed a few words, and I've added an in-line citation and a bibliographic note in the References section; but beyond this, I'm unwilling to invest any more time.  I still wonder what was going on here, but my passing interest might have been drawn towards more constructive issues ...? --Ooperhoofd (talk) 23:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism

message: Can anyone explain how iki can mean audacious (i.e. unrestrained by convention or propriety; insolent) and restrained at the same time? Is this a matter of ineffective translation? I really don't know much about it.  - Andicat
Hi, Andicat, can one be funny and sad at the same time (see Tragicomedy)? Clever and stupid? Beautiful and ugly? I say yes to all. Iki has various aspects, and some of them may seem contradictory. (^^) Yuji 08:48, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Iki means audacious?

message: I intern at the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston, and we've had a number of conversations revolving around the concept of iki. The consensus among curators and other experts there seems to be that iki is synonymous with sui. Tastes may differ somewhat between Kanto and Kansai, but both are different readings of the same kanji, as evidenced by the antonym busui (無粋). Anyway, Yuji, I'm not arguing against you or doubting your own source of expertise. But I am curious about this discrepancy. Can you elaborate please, on what the differences between iki and sui are, and where you came by this information? LordAmeth 16:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. I find it a very interesting struggle to determine the true meanings of these terms; we may never truly be able to know what a late Edo-period citizen of Edo liked and didn't like, what they considered iki or busui. Of course, you are right, that even if the terms (iki and sui) are closely related, it would be folly to assume that aesthetic tastes should be the same in Kanto and Kansai. LordAmeth 18:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iki is not Sui? 

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message: I'm hopelessly lost in trying to understand iki. The lists of adjetives in the article, while potentially accurate, is completely baffling to someone of Western sensibilities. Could someone with a better understanding of the topic add a section which discusses notable examples of things which are iki, and some discussion of what makes them iki? Maybe also add some discussion of things which aren't iki, even though some think they "should be". -- 128.104.112.117 (talk) 15:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples? 

message: The article says more about Tsu than it says about iki. Either iki is a word like "sjring" which does not have a meaning in the strictest sense, or it does have a meaning and would benefit from a better explanation...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.146.213.137 (talk) 14:39, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  So what does iki mean? 

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