Talk:Analog hole

message: The tone of this article is really condescending towards "non-technical" types. Counter-productive.
:I am not getting that impression.  It offers engineering level information.  I don't find the "you don't have to be an engineer" comment offensive.  To me it represents cutting through any engineering mysticism to say that this is just common sense.  If anything, it is pointing out that average people should not be mystified and just use their common sense.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.91.62.110 (talk) 13:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, the article seems quite clear and doesn't go into any excessive detail.  While some users who are not aware of their computer's need to cache may identify with the judge in question, it is a fundamental clarification that is nessesary.  A link to a cache definition may suffice.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.207.127.243 (talk) 23:23, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Article's tone

message: I think there should probably be mention of HDCP as a copy-protection method that is attempting to plug the analog hole.
::Good point, DRM and HDCP are closely related, but both circumventable with enough effort.  The long-term implications of permanently restricting access to works which WILL eventually be public domain is particularly alarming here.  While we've seen an massive increase in orphaned works due to the copyright length extensions, these efforts to permanently restrict distribution after the government-provided monopoly expires is troubling and challenges the constitutionality of current copyright lengths which seem to encourage the loss of works which society has solicited and encouraged by granting exclusive use to the artist or copyright owner.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.207.127.243 (talk) 23:40, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Should mention [[HDCP]]

message: Interesting article. Another example is MySpace. If you open a recording program like the one that comes with Windows, you can record the songs on MySpace that are otherwise not possible to download.  The same goes for other web, i.e. streaming, formats, although the limitation is that if your computer makes noises or if the stream is interrupted by the computer or internet connection, you have to restart it if you want to try again. MDuchek 21:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and if you have a cheap sound card, the recording will sound terrible. 199.126.1.82 19:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The elite warez groups don't use cheap sound cards. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 17:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Recording streaming music

message: This external link appears to be one of several hundred possible software solutions to recording media onto a computer. I removed this link because I didn't want to provide equal time to the entire list of free audio software. I see this link as failing WP:EL. Binksternet (talk) 17:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not post this link but rather found the link here and visited the software. In our research we always disable our Internet connection when testing or running new software. In the case of Analog Whole, however, we discovered that it would not run without an active Internet connection and rather than hiding this fact announced to us that an Internet connection could not be found. Our suspicion is that this particular software may be uploading the resulting MP3 file to its own library without asking us for permission and possibly for the purpose of resale. While we support Fair Use we do not feel that such an upload is covered by Fair Use, so aside from posting this information in the body of the article perhaps under a subtitle of blacklisted software we do not support provision of the link. As with all knowledge any can be used for rightful or wrongful purpose. By withholding a link one can show  non support of obvious wrongful purpose but depriving others of the reason for not providing the link and a warning that the software may be acting in this way would be equally as wrong.  71.100.174.134 (talk) 02:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: AnalogWhole.com

message: Any objection to removing the link to AnalogHoleGaming? I've checked out the link and I can't find anything relevant yet to the subject of this article, especially as the analog hole tends not to apply to software...? Kmenzel (talk) 08:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  link to AnalogHoleGaming 

message: "Media publishers who use digital rights management (DRM), to restrict how a work can be used, perceive the necessity to make it visible and/or audible as a "hole" in the control that DRM otherwise affords them."
Neverminding the hilarity of this statement, it gives "media publishers" a way to close the hole, doesn't it? I mean, who says there IS' acutally any kind of "necessity to make it visible and/or audible"? They're free to do what they want with their media, aren't they? --198.49.180.40 (talk) 16:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Necessity to make it visible and/or audible" - really? 

message: In the overview section it says:
"Naturally, the use of high quality conversion equipment reduces the amount of noise added, to the point where such noise is essentially imperceptible to the human senses. For instance, playing a video in a DVD player and using a DVD recorder to record the output can create a high-quality copy of the video."
This doesn't really sound right: noise is not added in this process: a perfect copy of the DVD is made. In my opinion this section is wrong - of course, I am no expert, but I feel that unless some citations can be added to this section, it should be removed.
--Unnachamois (talk) 03:09, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not bit perfect for three reasons. First, the copy of the DVD lacks menus. Second, the analog path between the DVD player's video DAC and the DVD recorder's video ADC adds noise. Third, the DVD recorder's real-time MPEG-2 encoder adds noise. We're talking about the analog hole between two consumer-electronics DVD devices, not DVDFab Decrypter and a PC DVD burner. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 19:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious statement in Overview... 

message: I've removed the NPOV template, please use  for sections or  for sentences, then detail issues here. This will help address them in a timely manner. - RoyBoy 05:14, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV removed