Talk:Magnifying transmitter

message: —67.185.136.253 17:07, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: From the intro: The magnifying transmitter is an advanced harmonic oscillator of the electrical Tesla coil, used for the wireless transmission of electrical energy.[1]  Is it used for the wireless transmission of electrical energy, if so does this include anything significant to date, other than sparks? Also Nikola Tesla's apparatus is a high-voltage, air-core, self-regenerative resonant transformer that generates very high voltages at high frequency. Does its self-regenerative status mean that it is a perpetual motion machine? Tesla was a great man and had some incredible ideas. Everyone gets something wrong, even the very best, and he may have sold us a pup on this one. The magnifying transmitter does something, but was it the amazing machine that some believe, or is it a side-show way of obtaining a big electricity bill along with some huge sparks. The article would be more interesting and relevent if it included info: on copies have been built, what did they do. what was the electrical input, what happened to that energy. Thanks! --Dumbo1 01:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro & Article 

message: Tesla wrote the following:
It is suitable for any frequency, from a few to many thousands of cycles per second, and can be used in the production of currents of tremendous volume and moderate pressure, or of smaller amperage and immense electromotive force. The maximum electric tension is merely dependent on the curvature of the surfaces on which the charged elements are situated and the area of the latter. 
Judging from my past experience, as much as 100,000,000 volts are perfectly practicable. On the other hand currents of many thousands of amperes may be obtained in the antenna. A plant of but very moderate dimensions is required for such performances. Theoretically, a terminal of less than 90 feet in diameter is sufficient to develop an electromotive force of that magnitude while for antenna currents of from 2,000-4,000 amperes at the usual frequencies it need not be larger than 30 feet in diameter. 
In a more restricted meaning this wireless transmitter is one in which the Hertz-wave radiation is an entirely negligible quantity as compared with the whole energy, under which condition the damping factor is extremely small and an enormous charge is stored in the elevated capacity. Such a circuit may then be excited with impulses of any kind, even of low frequency and it will yield sinusoidal and continuous oscillations like those of an alternator. 
Taken in the narrowest significance of the term, however, it is a resonant transformer which, besides possessing these qualities, is accurately proportioned to fit the globe and its electrical constants and properties, by virtue of which design it becomes highly efficient and effective in the wireless transmission of energy.
Michael H 34 19:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You need direct citations that the earth is a capacitor or that it has capacitance. You may not "read between the lines" to come up with such an assumption. GlassFET 20:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: When you have all the citations in order is when to re-add your content. There's no hurry or urgency. You'll also want to justify why it belongs in the lead rather than elsewhere in the article. GlassFET 20:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  High Voltages, Extremely Low Frequency Currents, Earth's Capacitance as source 

message: The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please list in bullet style the neutrality issues. Thanks. Otherwise tag should be removed. J. D. Redding 20:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you ask the person that put it there  William M. Connolley (talk) 21:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: neutrality of this article?

message: Someone mind explaining in ENGLISH what the heck this does? - Anon 08:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason it is difficult to understand is that most of the article, as well as the above blather, is a confused mishmash of pseudoscientific WP:OR WP:FRINGE theories dreamed up by Tesla cultists from Tesla's discredited 19th century ideas about wireless power transmission.   The transmitter is basically a large Tesla coil, producing extremely high voltage, radio frequency alternating current at its top terminal.  Tesla himself didn't really know what he was doing.  Obsessed with wireless power transmission, he rejected any theories that conflicted with his goal,  including Maxwell's equations and Hertzian waves.     Most of this article is horse manure.  It should be completely rewritten. --ChetvornoTALK 19:54, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Simplify it

message: I think there may be an important difference between power and energy and I'm pretty sure most instances of "energy transmission" in this page should actually read "power transmission".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.101.96.135 (talk) 18:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology 

message: Anybody know why certain text in this page has been "commented out"? (That is, has been prefixed by a "leftanglebracket!--" then followed by a "--rightanglebracket".) If text is wrong or obsolete, why not just delete it? David F (talk) 01:42, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commented-out text? 

message: I suggest this article (if any of it is worth salvaging)  be merged into World Wireless System, Tesla coil, and/or Wardenclyffe tower.  Considering that only one prototype was built which was never finished or tested, that most modern scientists think it was a folly which would not have succeeded at transmitting wireless power, that there is some doubt whether the term "magnifying transmitter" was used for it by Tesla, that it is basically a Tesla coil and is already covered in the other articles mentioned above, I don't see that it merits a separate article.  In addition, the sections of the article on how it works are unsourced unWP:V WP:FRINGE theories dreamed up by Teslaphiles, written in a deliberately deceptive WP:YESPOV manner as if they are accepted by modern scientists.  I doubt if any of it is worth saving.  --ChetvornoTALK 20:24, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Noticed how WP:FRINGE-y this article was and tried to clean up a little. Agree it's best redirected/merged to probably Tesla coil. This article strays into WP:YESPOV by clearly stating claims made by Tesla after 1904 as fact and general disseminating "Tesla lore". Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 04:02, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake, I didn't notice that the FRINGE stuff that was there a few weeks ago has been mostly removed.  The remaining article has a useful historical account of it's development.   Yes, I think it could be moved into Tesla coil.  --ChetvornoTALK 13:44, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't want to stand behind my WP:FRINGE cleanup since it was a 2 paragraph cleanup based on my sudden narrow expertise in Tesla's World Wireless System ;). I guess I will bring up the Terrestrial stationary waves article for the same treatment. It seems to be the same story to me, it's a non-existent "Tesla thing" treated as if it exists - unless I am missing something. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:26, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely.  I don't see a single WP:RS supporting that article.  Any fragments of fact in that article belong in surface wave or Schumann resonance. --ChetvornoTALK 02:38, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Looks like a good plan. Noticed the rewrites and they look like the way to go. This article is now redundant to other articles and there is no RS even proving this is a distinct "thing". Would best be explained in the context of Tesla coil I think. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 14:34, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Martin Hogbin (talk) 10:29, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge article into [[World Wireless System]] or [[Wardenclyffe tower]]? 

message: Substituted at 22:50, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: would it make more sense to have this page redirect to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Tesla_coil#Magnifying_transmitter
as the main Tesla Coil page doesn't mention the Magnifying transmitter? Uneverstop learning (talk) 22:07, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  change redirect location