Talk:Eclipse of Thales

message: the alleged possibility that the Halys has changed its course is without basis. "to meander" doesn't mean "to change course", it just means "having many turns".  Whether rivers do that, or whether they change their course, depends on the local topography. What we are looking at is a river flowing through highlands. The "Halys bend" is a major landmark of Hittite geography, and nothing I've ever heard suggests that it has ever changed its course in any significant way, certainly not sufficient to matter on the scale required here. dab (ᛏ) 07:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Section

message: Does noone else feel that the text in the section on the eclipse: "According to NASA, the eclipse peaked over the Atlantic Ocean at 37.9° N 46.2° W and the umbral path reached south-western Anatolia in the evening hours, and the Halys River is just within the error margin for delta-T provided." is gobbledegook? can someone who knows what delta-T is perhaps make it more accessible to people reading an ancient history article.--5telios 22:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: about the eclipse

message: In conjunction with conducting a WPMILHIST assessment, here's a ghit resource for an editor who is interested in adding inline footnotes to this article. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnotes 

message: Is there a reason for the name of the article to contain the date (i.e. is there any other Battle of Halys)? I don't think this is the usual naming protocal, so I'd like to propose renaming it without the date. Twofistedcoffeedrinker (talk) 18:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, so there is - one in 430 AD. Disregard the above proposal :) Twofistedcoffeedrinker (talk) 18:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually there is no Battle of Halys (430 AD). The Battle of Halys (430) that comes up from a Google search  contains snippets of another page that has been deleted now. The deleted page can be found on the Internet archive Wayback Machine , the links on the bottom of that page show that the text is the summary of a DBM war game set in ancient times. It is purely fictional. --İnfoCan (talk) 15:57, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name with date? 

message: The year mentioned in this article conflits with the year given in the NASA's picture (584 BC).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.187.16.1 (talk) 14:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually NASA's picture says 28May -584. Astronomers do not like BC and AD so they use a system in which 1BC becomes the year zero. This leaves all the AD dates equal to the astronomical dates but the BC dates are not the same as the minus dates. So, -1 = 2BC and -584 = 585BC(E). This accounts for that discrepancy. --İnfoCan (talk) 14:03, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Date discrepancy? 

message: I've read that the battle was the earliest event in history for which there is a precise date; if that's actually the case it would seem worth mentioning. Apepper (talk) 09:36, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is actually debatable. An article listed in the References (Thomas D. Worthen, "Herodotus's Report on Thales's Eclipse," Electronic Antiquity  vol. 3.7 (May 1997), ) suggests that Herodotos was recounting carelessly events that he did not witness personally and furthermore the solar eclipse story is a misinterpretation of his text. According to that article, it is quite possible what happened was a lunar eclipse that happened right before moonrise, at dusk.  If the warriors had planned their battle activities expecting a full moon as in the previous few days, it would have been quite a shock to have dusk fall suddenly as an occluded moon rose. If this theory is correct, the battle's date would be not 585 BC (date given by Pliny based on date of solar eclipse), but possibly 3 Sept 609 BC or 4 July 587 BC, dates when such dusk-time lunar eclipses did occur. --İnfoCan (talk) 17:27, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earliest dated event in history? 

message: I'm probably spitting in the wind on this one, but "(name) River" seems to me an American pleonasm.  We colonials are accustomed to rivers named after someone or something else, like Henry Hudson or the Arkansas tribe, but in the Old World a river's name generally belongs to it solely (or primarily); so I imagine that a phrase like "Halys River" is as absurd to Old World ears as "Cuba Island" or "Artemis Goddess".  (The usual construction in England, when disambiguation is needed, seems to be "the river Thames".) —Tamfang (talk) 18:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And "Kızılırmak River" is worse: kızıl means 'red', ırmak means 'river'. —Tamfang (talk) 06:33, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  (name) River 

message: The article says that, after the eclipse, a truce was reached. But it also says that the son of one leader would marry the daughter of the other, and they agreed on a border. This sounds more like a peace settlement than a truce. A truce is an often temporary end to hostilities to make room for a diplomatic resolution to the conflict. A peace settlement is an actual resolution. —MiguelMunoz (talk) 19:47, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was it a "truce" or a "peace settlement"? 

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message: Herodutus's...?? plurality could be used differently.  'Herodities'? of course English is the dominant language and seems more eloquent on linguistics. Herrodies maybe, Herrotties, Herodotenes, and it is purely Latin combined in English grammar and text but seen too often in writing and without combined format to fit the content of the writing. The first spelling sounds like Herodituss-ess, maybe different vocabulary. Herroditusses could be a spelling. A sermon. No, not exactly,  American English and pronunciation and frowned upon by European scholars since America became America. Also the cause and effect of misspelling until approved by the big shot. Frankly I hope we can quit worrying about them, he, she alike. America ='s; Country of many languages. 2600:1700:EEA0:4F10:74DB:DC40:AD35:A806 (talk) 14:44, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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message: 232 A.U.C. is a more significant historical description than using the term "585 B.C." 67.42.230.251 (talk) 01:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Herodotus: eclipse