Talk:New Jersey/Archive 1

message: I was wondering how to also edit the state flag.  The small version is closer to the actual representation - but it's still not right and then the enlarged version is very wrong.  This is an article about how the state flag is often misrepresented and includes an ACTUAL photo so people can see the actual flag...AboutNewJersey.com - State Symbols and Flag
It would be nice if people actually presented the New Jersey flag properly. There are two ways the goddesses are represented on flag though - sometimes wearing a white gown and the other wearing a blue gown.  The blue gown seems to be the most prevalent on the flag.
::that's all because you're a giant suburb, no one cares about you anymore than they care about long island
::Well, somebody has no idea what NJ's actually like, it seems. Smooth work, troll. --Xanzzibar 18:26, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: forgetaboutit, next time he's in newark, i'll take him for a ride for a to the east site. tony wants to talk to him. :D Project2501a 20:39, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, New Jersey is about 1000 times better than Long Island and has the major advantage of not being populated by Long Islanders. And if we look at recent TV, The Sopranos is actually a great show, while the untruly titled Everybody Loves Raymond was about as good as being stuck on a Long Island Rail Road train full of Long Islanders for a few hours. --Spotteddogsdotorg 22:32, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey plus I'll take the GSP over the LIE any day :o) Kether83 11:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misrepresenting the state flag 

message: If someone has time, we might want to address the border disputes of New Jersey with New York.  The northern border was not settled for some time and there have been numerous disputes over Hudson River islands.  This page might be a useful starting point:   --ChrisRuvolo 01:15, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm wondering if the above poster was looking at Google Earth for his/her information as it's very inaccurate with border placement, especially up close.  Delaware's border with NJ is sort of unique in that Delaware encompasses ALL of the Delaware River up to the NJ shore - not just halfway across the river as is normal elsewhere, and the PA/NJ border on the same river.  However, it seems Delaware has claimed some tidal flats which do appear to be a part of the NJ "peninsula."  I do caution against using Google Earth for border information unless you can judge the deviation - it's pretty bad in some cases.  Kether83 11:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not just in Google Earth, but also on paper maps such as Rand McNalley's road atlases. (I looked it up.) Michael Greiner 13:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: This is because of the Twelve-Mile Circle - that article includes a map. --NE2 14:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Borders 

message: Maybe it's just me, but I think the list of "important" cities and towns is getting out of control. Half the cities on the list aren't really "important", and someone seems to add another every week or two. Can we establish some basic guidelines for this? A more appropriate list, I think, would include Atlantic City, Camden, Jersey City, Newark, Princeton, and Trenton, plus maybe a couple others. --Xanzzibar 15:19, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Whether any cities in New Jersey are important is debatable.  However, it would be simple to list only those cities that have a substantial population, such as 50,000 or 100,000.  I'll do that when I have a chance.
Once you get past Newark, Jersey City, Paterson and Elizabeth (all over 100,00 as of the 2000 Census), you start running into municipalities that are mostly suburban sprawl over a large area, rather than the classic city / non-city divide as exists in most states. As an example, Hackensack (42,677 residents), Atlantic City (40,517) and Hoboken (38,577) are all cities that many people might be familiar with, yet they rank merely 42nd, 44th and 53rd on the List of municipalities in New Jersey (by population). How can a list be chosen that objectively reflects the cities / municipalities that should be included? This applies not only on the New Jersey page, but also on the Template:New Jersey. Alansohn 17:55, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

text: As if the point needed any emphasis, see , an article on NJ's search for a new slogan, and the various sarcastic candidates it drew.  Purely a NJ-interest article, but see the top of the article--where does CNN report from?  Philadelphia, PA. 24.215.155.9 02:42, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important Cities and Towns 

message: I deleted the "highest IQ" remark, because it is almost assuredly based on suspect information. Thunderbunny 03:22, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education 

message: There is no state song for New Jersey and the state says so - see http://www.state.nj.us/faqs/facts.html. So "I'm From New Jersey" supporters sorry, but it has no legal status. --Spotteddogsdotorg 02:49, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As you know, official government sites end in .gov not .us.  So the above is not an official government site. Wjhonson 16:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry to burst your bubble, but state.nj.us is indeed the official site. —LrdChaos (talk) 16:49, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  State Song 

message: I just reverted an edit in the religion section made by someone who oh-so-obviously was screwing with the religion section. He made the non-religious 16% as opposed to the actual percentage (6% of NJ citizens are non-religious according to the census), and deducted percentages from every religion except Protestant, which I know for a fact is particuarly uncommon in NJ. Someone needs to keep closer watch over this section in particular.
:I don't know where you get the idea that Protestant Christianity is "uncommon" in New Jersey, you are absolutely wrong on that. But yes, the changes made to that section were accurate. They are the 2000 numbers, the old numbers were back from 1990.
: More accurate data are available at []
Catholics do outnumber Protestants but both groups are smaller than their constituent denominations claim.  There has been growth in the agnostic and atheist population.
The Roman Catholic Church tends to claim anyone who has been baptized in the Roman Catholic Church regardless of whether they are currently atheist, Buddhist, or whatever.
:That doesn't make Protestants "uncommon" - the numbers of Catholics and Protestants here are about equal, and many parts of the state (generally the less-populated regions) are predominantly Protestant. - Cuivienen 20:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for relating your experience.  Unfortunately anecdotes do not establish statistics.  New Jersey is a large state with a sprawling population, and the only way to establish statistics is to either take a random sample or to poll everyone.  Which has been done.  And the result is that NJ is disproportionately Catholic relative to the nation as a whole, but Protestants are hardly an endangered species there. NTK 08:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism To Religion Section 

message: I reverted this again for a couple reasons. It made a few changes that, really, are completely unnecessary rewordings of what was already there. Not always a problem, but in this case, the changes introduced a slew of typos and bad grammar. Secondly, 217's edits destroyed several links - specifically, the ones to isle of Jersey and US state. There should probably be a note made about the Skylands somewhere in the article, probably under geography, but its mention in the intro paragraph is pretty unnecessary. --Xanzzibar 08:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro paragraph 

message: I just modified the section on "important towns" to explain the political division of the state.  It's not especially well-written, so if anyone wants to redo it, feel free, but i think it's interesting to note this information.  I think that PA, MN, and maybe OH are the only other states that use the borough/township division the same way NJ does.
:All of them have townships, none of them use townships the same way. See Township (New Jersey) and Township (United States) for more. Pennsylvania is closest. Septentrionalis 20:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of towns 

message: I invite all of you folks participating on the Talk:New Jersey page to consider participation in Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey (or WP:NJ for a shortcut) which is endeavoring to fill in many of the holes that exist in the complete web of New Jersey-related pages. The forms of government have all been completed (see City (New Jersey) for a starting point. The New Jersey Legislature page has been modified to add the municipalities in each district. Pages have been substantially modified to list all of the members by district in both the New Jersey Senate and the New Jersey General Assembly. Pages for individual legislators are being created and as of now the Senate is about 35 of 40 done and the Assembly has 20 of 80 completed. A page explaining New Jersey's unique Board of Chosen Freeholders was created, listing the structure of county government for each of the 21 counties. Much help is needed to fill in details on federal, state and county representation by municipality, and a dent has been made in 25 of Bergen County's 70 municipalities. We could use a lot more hands, both to fill in the missing pieces AND to think of what else needs to be done. Alansohn 17:55, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject: New Jersey 

message: I have updated the section on Government to include the basic facts of the Constitutional amendment approved by the voters yesterday, which creates the position of Lieutenant Governor (effective with the 2009 election) and provides for an interim system of succession until the first Lt. Gov. takes office.  The interim system is that in the event of a vacancy (as opposed to a temporary absence) in the Governor's seat, the President of the Senate will become Governor, not Acting Governor, and will give up his/her Senate seat.  (Personally, I believe this interim system should have been the permanent solution to the "succession issue," but the Legislature decided to create a Lt. Gov. and the voters agreed, so, oh well.)  This raises another issue.  The article mentions that the Governor of New Jersey is the most powerful Governor in the U.S., which is widely accepted among political scholars.  However, one of the reasons for this recognition is that the Governor is the only statewide elected official in state government.  Once this is no longer the case, will the NJ Governor still be recognized as the nation's most powerful?  I do not know, but perhaps that question could simply be mentioned in the appropriate paragraph of the article.  Does anyone agree/disagree?   Neutron 21:15, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constitutional Amendment 

message: In the population figures for the largest municipalities, there's a digit missing in Paterson.  Can someone fix this please?  Bruxism 04:44, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typos to be fixed 

message: Coheed and Cambria mentions the Jersey Devil in one of their songs
There are many sentences in the Culture section of the article that briefly mentions how some band or some movie films one scene or mentions a single line that pertains to New Jersey, which is quite obviously not relevant enough for the article. Before, people had even placed on high school comedies and plays onto the list! The music+TV/film sections have to be reorganized, and the unimportant bullets removed or placed onto a separate page like Culture of New Jersey or Music of New Jersey. AndyZ 00:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture 

message: Something I've always been curious about... why don't they let you pump your own gas in NJ?  Is this a legal prohibition?  Is it still in effect? EikwaR 06:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a legal prohibition, it is still in effect, and who the hell knows why? You can't pump your own gas in Oregon either.  Ostensibly both states have safety concerns, but they apparently fail to notice the prominent lack of gas stations blowing up in the other 48 states.  Oh well. Gas is generally still more reasonably priced in NJ than in California, even with the self-service. TCC (talk) (contribs) 08:35, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

text: From how you phrased your initial question, it seems you think of it as a bad thing... however, I've never met anyone who's complained that he or she has had to pump his or her own gas. Instead, it's usually disgust that you have to do it yourself (or have to take extra effort to have someone do it for you) when you're outside of NJ. I also remember reading somewhere (not WP, though) a pretty good article on the "issue," and it said something about the extra cost of having to pay people to pump it for you is so nominal it's not something anyone would want to give up so that they'd have to get out of their cars and actually do something other than sit there, mostly due to the low price of gas anyway due to the many refineries (Elizabeth, New Jersey and the New Jersey Turnpike smell, anyone?). Additionally, when people are in a rush and attendants don't feel like being fast, it's not unheard of (unseen of?) for someone to get out and do it themself (although they/the gas station/both [not sure exactly] could technically get a ticket, I've never heard of a "gas pumping" ticket... and suprisingly, although it happens, it's pretty rare that I see it). Obviously, none of this is scientific, just personal experience that seems very typical of what acutally happens. But yes--if there were ever some serious proposal to legalize pumping your own gas, I'd definately strongly oppose it... //MrD9 21:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing... just strange, to a resident of the SelfServe48 where "remove card quickly" from the reader slot on the pump is a bi-weekly ritual.  Anyway.  Thanks for your answers. EikwaR 03:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I've heard it rumored (without anything to back it up) that while safety concerns are the stated reason for the law, it's kept around because it provides a number of low-end jobs. (Again, it's just something I heard, and I've never seen anything to back it up.) As a new New Yorker who lived in NJ for most of my life, I'm not sure how I feel about being able to pump my own gas. On one hand, it's quicker, since you don't need to wait for an attendent to start the pump, and then come back and finish up. On the other, you actually have to get out of the car and deal with it, which can be a pain when it's cold and/or raining. (The most annoying part is that in NY, you have to hold the nozzle the whole time; you can't just set it up to "flow until full.") Such is life, I suppose. —LrdChaos 04:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: So what's the problem with having some islands self-serve and some full-service?  That's what many stations do in many states.  -- Sholom 14:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just the way things have been for a long time, and there's no big push to change it. NJ has some of the lowest gas prices around anyway, so although the idea is occasionally mentioned, there aren't people clamoring in the streets for self serve. —chair lunch dinner™ (talk) 16:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: It's a matter of emphasis.  You could be from out-of-state and declare in shocked tones, "What! You mean you're not allowed to pump your own gas in New Jersey?" Or you can put a better face of it and say, "You don't have to pump your own gas to get it for a reasonable price in New Jersey!" TCC (talk) (contribs) 23:17, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I heard on the news maybe a couple of days ago that Gov. Corzine is considering self-serve to help combat high gas prices.  IMHO, that's kind of rediculous as we already have the lowest gas prices in the area (one reason to be thankful for the smell in Elizabeth....).  I had no problem having my gas served to me on a silver platter until I went to college in Pennsylvania: sadly, the girl whom I'd been trying to impress had to teach me how to pump gas.  (Shakes head in disdain....) -- MusicMaker5376 18:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have to tip the guy pumping gas?  That would sure add a lot to the cost. 162.84.151.101 23:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. You didn't even have to tip them back in the good old days when they'd wash your windshield and check your oil. TCC (talk) (contribs) 01:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It is actually illegal to tip the person who pumps your gas (well, illegal for them to accept anyway).  And about Corzine's attempt to take away our privilege during the 2006 budget crisis, he received more letters from people in support of the gas law than on any other issue.  That is how strongly New Jersians feel about not pumping our own gas (myself included). Aufs klo 20:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self Serve or lack thereof 

message: I don't see how "Socially Jersey is considered one of the most liberal states, if not the most liberal state in the country after Massachusetts." is supported by the citation given.  For one, the cite relates to a single specific issue (abortion); secondly, NJ is ranked 11th.  The other cite relates to another single issue (gay rights), and doesn't compare NJ to other states.  Thoughts, anyone? -- Sholom 05:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed 100%. I read the changes, checked the links and also came to the conclusion that the statement was unsupported by the facts, even the potentially biased ones provided. I toned the statement down "one of the more liberal in the nation..." and eliminated the Massachussetts reference. See my edit for the details. Alansohn 06:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most liberal? 

message: Removing "Oreo Cookie" as having been invented in New Jersey (from "Miscellaneous information" section).  The Oreo was invented at what is now Chelsea Market in Manhattan.  Nabisco might have been headquartered in New Jersey, but Chelsea is the "birthplace" of the Oreo, according to Archie Mack, Senior Category Business Director for Oreo. --Chancemichaels 15:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oreo? 

message: While adding Joe Piscopo, I noticed that someone has already tagged the claim "first submarine" with the notation that the submarine article disagrees.  Is this whole section erroneous?  I'm starting to think that it should be researched item by item for accuracy.  --Chancemichaels 15:27, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would tend to agree.  Some of these items have been flat-out inaccurate, and most belong elsewhere (in the Culture section, for example).  Who wants to help clean it up?  --Chancemichaels 17:12, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Submarine? 

message: Did not deprive women and blacks of the right to vote. The 1776 "constitution" was an act of the legislature, and it was reinterpreted by legislative action in 1807. Better to discuss its making the counties senatorial districts, and the resulting alteration of county boundaries. Septentrionalis 03:11, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constitution of 1844 

message: Unless someone like Llosoc can explain why this template is here, I'll be removing it in short order. TCC (talk) (contribs) 01:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really hard to say whether or not there is a contradiction.  I would assume that the author of the other article placed this tag on all fifty state pages, as the breakdown of demographics tends to contradict some of the race issues raised in the article.  However, the extent to which and the norms at hand would reduce the conflict to a minimality. -- MusicMaker5376 02:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that racial data is drawn from the census, where respondents self-identify when they report race. "One-drop" theories and other such nonsense have nothing to do with it. TCC (talk) (contribs) 02:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It should be reverted.  To place such a template, without an edit summary or note on the talk page, isn't helpful.  The user should come to the talk page and suggest how to improve the article and discuss the issue. -Aude (talk | contribs) 02:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradict-other 

message: "For its overall population and nation-leading density, New Jersey has a relative paucity of classic large cities. As of the United States 2000 Census, only four municipalities had populations in excess of 100,000. With the 2004 Census estimate, Woodbridge has surpassed Edison in population, as both joined the 100,000 club."
This is true, but Jersey City and Newark are the two smallest (by land area) cities of the seventy-five most populated cities.  If Newark, Kearny and Jersey City were one incorporated city for example, it would be less than a square mile larger than Boston and have a similar population to Boston (29,108 less according to the 2004 census information).  Or if the Gold Coast were one city it would have a population 17,080 more than Boston and be 11.5 square miles smaller.  I think it is worth mentioning the cities' land area because that has an effect on the dearth of large cities.
:Agreed. I've had to explain this phenomenon to non-New Jerseyans many times.Armandtanzarian 17:55, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Few large cities 

message: A recent off-the-wall geographical observation that was inserted into the article (which I reverted) got me thinking there ought to be a section on characteristic New Jersey delicacies.  The only ones I can think of offhand are Taylor Ham and the corn rye from the Pride Bakery in Bayonne. (AKA "Pride bread" or "Bayonne rye". It was very well-known years ago; I don't know if that's still true.) Any others? TCC (talk) (contribs) 03:25, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's right, it was invented in Atlantic City. TCC (talk) (contribs) 01:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Local foods 

message: This may seem dumb, but should there be mention of New Jersey's Stoner status in America?
Until I read this article, my impression alone was New Jersey was the large bastard child of New York City.
Im not alone, juust ask most Americans and they may respond something like "oh yeah, these guys from Jersey"
Its mainly due to bad publicity by movies like Jay and Silent Bob Strike back, but I'd bet most people would never know New Jersey had a good financial situtation (the per capita income) until they read this article.
Should there be mention of this "Stoner Status?"—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.151.56.35 (talk • contribs) 
:You know, you're right.  That did seem dumb.  —  MusicMaker 06:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stoner Status? 

message: There is alot of famous resorts there like the new york Giants Stadium—Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.11.152.191 (talk • contribs) 
:Giants Stadium is not a resort.  It's a stadium. --tonsofpcs (Talk) 04:31, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resorts and so forth 

message: I added the Hackensack as one of the state's major rivers under Geography. It forms part of a county border, crosses a state line, played a key role in the industrial revolution and waters the eponymous Hackensack Meadowlands, known to most as simply "The Meadowlands."Armandtanzarian 18:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hackensack River 

message: The sentence: "The Newark City Subway is the only subway system in the state." is not quite accurate. The PATH is definitely a subway for all of it's run east of Journal Square. In fact, according to some, as a heavy-rail line it's more of a subway than the NCS, a light-rail line. Anyway, should it be changed to "wholly in the state." Or should we remove the sentence and get on with describing the NCS.Armandtanzarian 18:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd describe the NCS as the only single-city subway, and then mention the PATH. Dvd Avins 22:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newark City Subway 

message: Is it possible that you guys create 2006 New Jersey budget crisis similar to the 2006 Puerto Rico budget crisis article? I know nothing about New Jersey and would like to see this event explained in detail. —Drowne | Talk 15:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 2006 New Jersey State Government Shutdown, is the article I have finally found. As of this writing, it's not even linked to the New Jersey page. Signed, JJJJust 01:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Budget crisis 

message: Why no mention Port Authority Transit Corporation in the rail section? J.reed  19:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PATCO 

message: I suspect a copyvio on grounds of style and the fact that sources are cited that are not actually given in the references, as if they were simply retyped verbatim. Google yields nothing. Anyone recognize this? TCC (talk) (contribs) 21:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edit by [[User:208.46.144.131]] 

message: The article has the tag, that it "documents a current event".  What current event?  New Jersey itself is not a current event.  That tag should be removed, in my opinion, unless someone can support the argument on what's current about "New Jersey". Wjhonson 23:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The tag was added after this edit. The article currently states this issue was resolved 6 July, so I will remove the tag as I do some other editing. Gimmetrow 01:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current event tag 

message: The New_Jersey#Climate section has been in the text a while, but it makes little sense. The table of temperatures seems artificial (even numbers, goes up and down by 10s) and no source or reference is provided. I think it should be cut unless refs are provided. Gimmetrow 20:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[New_Jersey#Climate]] 

message: This sentence bears investigation: "Women in New Jersey earn the highest per capita income as stated in a 2002 article in the Newark Star-Ledger." Highest over... other women? Men? In general? State to state? I'd appreciate a context.  Thanks. --Spesek 20:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women's income - clarify 

message: Hello, everyone. I am new to Wikipedia but I am responsible for the photographs in the Elizabeth, New Jersey page. If anyone would like me to photograph their town and post here, please by all means, let me know. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dagrecco1982 (talk • contribs) 
:That's very nice work on the Elizabeth page. You obviously went to a lot of trouble, and your photography is technically very good.
:I'm sure that any photos you care to contribute would be most welcome, but what I'd like to see is a representative sample of what various areas of NJ are like. I grew up near places like South Branch (in Hillsborough Township, New Jersey and Neshanic Station (in Branchburg Township, New Jersey and a bit more of a village there than Neshanic itself) which are very different from the cities near NY and Philadelphia. We certainly should see the larger cities mind you: Newark, Jersey City, Camden, Trenton, Elizabeth, etc., but since that's all most people think of when they think of NJ there ought to be more. Some pictures of the shore would be nice, especially Island Beach; there are the Pine Barrens, Cape May, the woods and mountains in the NW part of the state, and smaller towns all over the place. Imagine contrasting, say, downtown Lambertville with downtown Newark. TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photographs of our cities in towns in New Jersey 

message: For those of you unfamiliar with it, this is a song by Dave Van Ronk, the lyrics consisting solely of the names of places in New Jersey. See here: 
This should be mentioned somewhere in the article, but where it should go is not immediately apparent. Hi There 04:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dave Van Ronk's "Garden State Stomp" 

message: I want to switch to these collapsible navboxes, anyone have thoughts? The open ones for the United States and individual States and Counties are making clutter. 
Template:New Jersey temp
Template:New Jersey temp
Template:New Jersey temp
:Interesting, but I don't think its necesary in this case.  There are 2 navboxes and they are at the end of the page.  --ChrisRuvolo (t) 15:34, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Template 

message: I would like to see NJville.com added to the external links as a New Jersey Resource. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.36.242.249 (talk) 03:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Link Request 

message: Anon has edited now, several times, to expand the lack of Republican victories to all state-wide elections, and not just presidential. As Michael Greiner noted, Christie Whitman did win an election during that time - but I suppose it should be noted that it was a plurality/simple majority, not a full majority. I'm finding the issue troublesome, though, since I'm not sure what intention the original author had, or if there were any other, more minor state-wide elections that might be relevant. --Xanzzibar 04:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Majority vote 

message: There are several lists that comprises most of their sections.  For example, the lists of colleges and universities takes up 80% of the Education section, while the Prominent cities and towns section is almost entirely redundant with List of Municipalities in New Jersey (by population).  Can we  eliminate lists in cases where other articles reproduce them?  --Ishu 07:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition to eliminations, many lists here could also be shortened. Show the top five or ten of something, not the top 50. AlexiusHoratius 13:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists, lists, lists 

message: Under Demographics, it states that New Jersey has the highest percentage of Jews of any state in the U.S. However, when you look at religion, it states that 4% of the state's residents are Jewish. When you look at the New York article, it states that 5% of the New York population is Jewish. Obviously, New York has more.
One of the main problems I've noticed with articles about U.S. states is that they don't collaborate with each other. They often contradict each other and have outdated info. This is just my observation as someone who has been to an article for every state.
68.49.1.207 17:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm not mistaken, because you simply removed any reference to the Jewish population instead of fixing the one that was there, your edit was taken for vandalism. There are people who would do such a thing out of pure anti-Semitism and not for any good reason. As it happens, NJ still has the second-highest percentage of Jews among its population, and as this is on par with the other ethnic groups mentioned it's still significant enough to mention. I corrected it and added a reference. TCC (talk) (contribs) 06:21, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest percentage of Jews in the country? 

message: Okay.  It took me a minute.  I thought it might have been vandalism, but I was wondering why we would have an official state number.  I wouldn't put it past the legislature to spend a month debating it.  ("I think it should be seven!"  "I think it should be pi!"  "NO IRRATIONAL NUMBERS, DAMMIT! The people want an INTEGER!")  Maybe that heading should be changed to something like "Order of Admittance into the Union", rather than make it sound like something that was chosen like the State Animal or Vegetable?  I really can't be the only moron who was lucky that the talk page took awhile to load.... —  MusicMaker 06:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just went ahead and removed it. I'm pretty sure we don't have an official state number, and our order of admission is irrelevant in the context of that box. --Xanzzibar 06:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "State number" 

message: Why New Jersey's nickname is "Garden State"?
:All I was able to find is this, or this one. --Shmaltz 01:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is because, especially in the 1800s, New Jersey did have a lot of "specialized horticulture", for example fruit tree orchards and smaller fruit and vegetable farms. Some of it continues today. Some examples are cranberry and blueberry production.  New Jersey is now 2nd or 3rd in the US for cranberries.  There are some big cranberry bogs in the south, I think more in the Pine Barrens.  Tomatoes grown in NJ are marketed as "Jersey Fresh", at least in NJ... Spettro9 22:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I live in Cumberland County, and it wasn't until I was in high school that I realized why people might think that "Garden State" is a misnomer.  Everything around me is farmland.  EVERYTHING.  The farm a mile from me is the largest producer of mint in the Western world, Hammonton, just a few miles north, is drowning in blueberries, corn fields, eggplant, cabbage, and, of course, tomatoes.  I can't even eat a tomato before July; those orange things grown in California aren't tomatoes.  I don't know what they are, but I won't touch them.  Maybe I should go around and take some pictures to add to the article.  —  MusicMaker5376 13:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm the same way.  I grew up on one of those farms MusicMaker speaks of (well, in Pedricktown, but still the same area), and I still don't understand why people have such a negative image of the state.  I guess if people's only perception of the state is Newark International and the Turnpike, I could see it, but speaking from experience, it's not like that at all.  In fact, my family farmed 600+ acres (owned 200 of it) with everything you could think of: strawberries, cucumbers, peppers, squash, eggplant, corn, tomatoes, watermelons, blueberries, pumpkins, and much more.  So, the nickname still applies to this day, despite some people's preconceived notions from Hollywood. EaglesFanInTampa 14:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Maybe a section on "The Garden State" is warranted -- I'm thinking between the History and the Demographics.  I'll try to take a couple of pictures this weekend.  —  MusicMaker5376 21:53, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garden State? 

message: Is there any way possible to fix the references in this article? Miranda 07:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Fix" in what way? -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 11:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like on refs 34 and 35, they don't have when the article was first accessed, per WP:CITE. Miranda 17:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: The facts about the climate of New Jersey is so bad, to compare with the Swedish Wikipedia and some others site.
Write down more about the climate and more specific.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.53.180 (talk) 04:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: avant-Folk musician Ben Vaughn, who often comments on NPR, is from the town of Collingswood, and should be included in the music section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.230.27 (talk) 02:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music- Ben Vaughn 

message: I know this was discussed before, but at 105K, this article is an ogre. I'm going to tread lightly at first, cutting only material that is obviously too detailed for this article, such as the personal backgrounds of each of New Jersey's Declaration of Independence signers. Please keep in mind that there are daughter articles for a reason. AlexiusHoratius (talk) 14:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size 

message: I was hoping we could change this:New Jersey is one of the most religiously and ethnically diverse states in the country. It has the second largest Jewish population by percentage after New York[15]; the second largest Muslim population by percent (after Michigan); the third highest Asian population by percent, the third highest Italian-American population by percent of any state according to the 2000 Census; and a large percentage of the population is Black, White American, Hispanic American, Arab American, and Asian American. It has the second highest Indian American population of any state by absolute numbers.[16][17][18][19], to something correct, as Arabs are White, according to the US Census definition, and while Indian Americans are technically White, the US Census defines them as being Asian, and Hispanics may be of any race.  Thanks Iamanadam (talk) 01:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you want to propose something to change it to? The article as is, is just repeating what the references say. --Michael Greiner 02:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

message: Seems rather POV, the part about "then began the decade-long conspiracy". I don't think it's POV to say that new parties have it tough to get a foothold in NJ, but calling it a conspiracy is jumping to certain conclusions which are not evident. 213.84.174.46 (talk) 21:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics 

message: The current listed pronunciation, /njuːˈdʒɝzi/, has the "New" pronounced as "Nyoo," which is a regional pronunciation ironically absent in New Jersey. Most New Jerseyans pronounce the "New" as "Noo," which (with my limited linguistics skills) should be written [nu:], right? I have lived in New Jersey all of my life, but can anyone back me up on this?  Beta.s2ph (talk) 06:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a similar issue was going on over at the New York article. Someone would change the IPA pronunciation, and then someone would change it back. I'm not completely clear what the standard for accents is - nor what the IPA pronunciation specifically signifies. Does anyone know an editor who is really experienced with IPA? Perhaps they could shed some more light on this. AlexiusHoratius (talk) 08:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: The new statistics for average household income linked to in the chart on the side contains a different number than is currently in the chart itself.  The 2006 list puts NJ at $66,752, which is 1st in America.
67.85.195.225 (talk) 09:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing avg. income 

message: This section should include a mention of Walt Whitman, who in the annuls of American literature is perhaps one of the most recognize, he spent years in Camden writing and revising Leaves of Grass, and creating some of his most memorable works. His home is a historic site, and his tomb is in Camden as well.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.159.92 (talk) 13:46, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  19th Century 

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thread_title:  Wikipedian Meetup across the Hudson 

message: There isn't any mention about NJ's products & I'm doing a report about it so i really need it...
Eyrie88 (talk) 16:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We are not here to do your homework for you. Go do the research, and add your findings to the article, just like everyone else has done with what is currently in the article. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Products 

message: Much of New Jersey has NOT humid subtropical climate, it has humid continental. Except in south that has humid subtropical.
Please change.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.126.229 (talk) 00:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: It states in this article that New Jersey has a GDP of $434 billion, which, according to the *List of countries by GDP (nominal), (per capita), New Jersey would have about the 17th or 18th largest economy in the world.  Does anyone think that this information should be included in this article?
Shanem201 (talk) 23:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Jersey Economy addition 

message: I've lived my entire life in New Jersey and never once have I heard the terms "New Jerseyite" or "Jerseyite." I'm sure someone, somewhere uses those terms, and that there's some source that corroborates their usage, but glancing at this article today is the first I've seen or heard them. Does anyone know more about their usage? Mjj237 (talk) 11:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I also grew up in NJ and have never heard the -ite ending used.  It's always "(New) Jerseyan".  The only time I ever see the -ite ending is from the people who have never lived in NJ.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.243.122 (talk) 03:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demonyms