Talk:Eva Burrows

message: Kerrieburn (talk) 05:34, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

message: I have a note that says her generalship of the Salvation Army 1986-93 was the highest church position ever held by a woman.  Correct?  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  00:38, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Highest church position ever held by a woman?

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message: Marjorie Matthews and Elizabeth II were both at the top before she was. Removing. Jerod Lycett (talk) 22:11, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I see nothing at the Marjorie Matthews that she was held a world-leading position; it appears to be a local leadership (uncited). According to Monarchy of the United Kingdom#Religious role, Queen Elizabeth is a titular head of the Church of England and the real leadership lie with the Archbishop of Canterbury, a role never filled by a woman.  Having said that, it appears to me that Eva Burrows was not the first woman to lead the Salvation Army (that was Evangeline Booth after whom she was named, prophetic!) but it is unclear if the church was operating on a worldwide basis or not at that time. Unfortunately the citation used in Eva Burrows is behind a paywall so I cannot see exactly what it says (what was in the article might be a slight misinterpretation of what was in the source or perhaps the source clarified something about Evangeline Booth). In many countries churches operate at national levels and the international relationships between them are not hierarchical, so "world leader" isn't something that exists for all churches. Kerry (talk) 00:06, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Upon election our bishops are part of the United Methodist Council of Bishops which is the world-wide organization. Being a bishop in the UMC is the top ecclesiastical position for clergy. As for the Queen, it may only be titular, but ecclesiastical simply means of our pertaining to the church, so her position is also the head. It may seem strange to you that there is not a single person at the head, but it is quite common among Methodist denominations that the bishops together have that position. And yes, by 1934 the Salvation Army was a world-wide organization. Nevertheless the claim being made is "the highest ecclesiastical position held by any woman in the world". I believe I have provided ample evidence that it, in fact, that. Jerod Lycett (talk) 02:11, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Highest