Talk:Alternative hip hop/Archive 1

message: When Backpacker hip hop was put up for deletion, the consensus was to merge it here. However, when I came to do this, the "content" at Backpacker hip hop was really nothing more than unverifiable POV/rant/original research. Let it be known that I tried. If anyone wants to add anything more in this article about "backpackers", feel free. Jdcooper 21:56, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backpacker hip-hop 

message: I sincerely think this whole page is an invented categorization of hip-hop music.
It seems to me the whole page is based on some peoples opinion about certain styles of hip-hop.
I'm also sorry to say that probably no artists listed on this page would apreciate themselves being listed here, especially since the term "bohemian hip-hop" is labeling the sub-genre.
Sorry guys and gals, I just really don't feel like this page is very pertinent.
Besides the term "underground" seems to me to be applicable to any artist not signed to a major.
And can i bring to your attention the fact that Nirvana used to be considered "alternative" music and now i can find dave matthews band in the "alternative" section of HMV....
Lets not Overdefine hip-hop too much please.If anyone feels the same, please comment, and maybe we can consider modifying this page...
Ostione 19:15, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
P.S. I totaly agree with KQ s comments.
P.P.S Don t be mistaken I see the point of this article, the discography is really good,It's just these definitions I don't agree with.Most artists labelled here have had commercial succes,
and you could argue that most styles listed on this page are truer to the golden age mentallity than most successfull hip-hop nowadays.So why call it alternative?In fact I thinkm because most peolpe contribuating to this article were not around during the golden years and tend to forget that the more mainstream aspect of hip-hop nowadays is from subgenres of the original styles.So Gangsta rap and other styles now mainstream should be the styles considered alternative.Dig?
:It's alternative in the sense that it's alternative to chart hip hop. I don't think that it's terminology that hip hop heads would use, but perhaps alternative hip hop makes sense to the people who think of Ja Rule as normal hip hop and have most to learn from this page. Concious hip hop or underground hip hop might be better, but I don't like those labels much either. Tim Ivorson 21:12, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends upon who you ask as far as how this subgenre of hip-hop would/should be labeled. Different hip hop heads will use, depending upon their own preferences, conscious hip hop, abstract hip hop, underground hip hop, "real" hip hop, and more. Alternative hip-hop, I believe, stems from use at allmusic.com or some other major music outlet, although, truth be told, the "alternative' is the closest to the original format of the music/culture, and the commercial stuff is the farthest. --FuriousFreddy 16:24, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

text: But that's a subjective way of looking at it. --FuriousFreddy 01:29, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Opinions,opinions

message: i disagree with this idea that sparse beats and backpacker hip hop are elements of alternative hip hop.
there are plenty of dancable alternative hip hop tracks out there.
and being alternative doesnt mean youre against gangster rap, it just means you dont happen to embody the stereotype.
someone whos anti-gangster rap isnt alternative at all, theyre just a complete inverse of the original bullshit the marketing execs created. {Anon}
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not only do you not seem to make any sort of sense at all, youre rant has no value to it.  try to make sense.  i wont be all psychological and suggest the music is getting to you..Urthogie 14:31, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  backpacker? sparse beats? anti-gangster? huh?