Talk:History of Birmingham

message: Here is the raw material from Birmingham military history, which now redirects to this article. Andy Mabbett 23:03, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If editors wish to incorporate the military history of Birmingham, please use the up-to-date material from the article. The aforementioned subpage is now deleted as redundant content. --Iamunknown 22:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: From Birmingham military history

message: Somebody dumped the following here, apparently it was from Birmingham transport history. It had been dumped on this page without any attempt to merge it properly, so I am dumping it here for now until I can work out what to do with it. G-Man * 18:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Badly merged bit

message: I have put a detailed table on the main Birmingham article. Should this be merged with this article with amendments to it from the already existing one or should I put the table from this article on to the Birmingham article. Plus, should I create a graph showing the change in population over the years? - Erebus555 11:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historic population 

message: I made a request for a timeline of the history of Birmingham and I thought it may be better to begin creating one myself on a user subpage. Click here to go to the timeline being produced. I would like it if you could add information to this. For example, the 1900s and 2000s need dates. Thanks. - Erebus555 18:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline of the history of Birmingham 

message: My edits were mainly adding references to statements and some small expansion work to information. I hoped to add a lot more information, especially on the 20th century section, but I can see that being too much work and requiring a lot more time. - Erebus555 17:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  June 2007 edits 

message: “Man sagt, dass Großbritannien ohne die industrielle Kapazität von Birmingham den Krieg wohl verloren hätte.“
It is said that without the industrial capacity of Birmingham Britain would have lost the war.
I found the German text in German Wikipedia, here  Below the text is my translation.  I don’t know if the German text is accurate or not.  Therefore I wrote  “perhaps decisively”Barbara Shack (talk) 17:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement on the German Wikipedia is not referenced. The German Wikipedia is an unsuitable reference for this statement as it is part of the Wikimedia organisation, which also operates the English language Wikipedia. - Erebus555 (talk) 17:33, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decisive contribution to 2nd World War? 

message: The last sentence states 'Trade through Birmingham diversified as a merchant class arose, however: mercers and purveyors are mentioned in early 13th century deeds,[55] and a legal dispute involving traders from Wednesbury in 1403 reveals that they were dealing in iron, linen, wool, brass and "calibe" (possibly fur) as well as cattle in the town.[55]'
Calibe is surely mediaeval Latin for steel, NOT fur.
Here is an extract from an article I found at http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/forums/viewthread/2305/
Here for example is Bartholomaeus Anglicus in his Latin book “De proprietatibus rerum”, written in 1240 and quoted here as it was printed in 1483: “nec calibe, nec ferro, nec etiam ferra”, which translates as “not steel, not iron, not other ferrous material”. The book was one of the most popular and widely read books in late medieval Europe. The Latin is on the Net at Archive.org at (zoom at upperleft) archive.org/stream/deproprietatibu00anglgoog#page/n306/mode/1up/search/necferroy
Du Cange’s Glossary of Medieval Latin at ducange.enc.sorbonne.fr/CALIBEUS has an example of use of Latin “calibeus” = steel, dated 1361.
Here’s an example of the use of “calibe” meaning steel at an English abbey in 1368: “In reparacione et posicione 9 securium et 8 ponsons, cum calibe.” A “punson”—was also spelled “ponchon”—was a pointed punching tool (bit like a chisel), and “punsons cum calibe” means steel coated punching tools. The whole sentence translates as “for repairing and fitting 9 hatchets and 8 punches, with steel.” Here is a more inscrutable example from England, this dated 1400: “ij di. bar. calib. iij bar. wyspstrele.... Pro iij bar. sungm., xv wysp. calab.” There, the word “wysp” is English “wisp” and in context it appears to be some sort of a thin rod of steel. These examples are from the Middle English Dictionary, a huge and terrific dictionary of Middle English (1100-1500) that is free and searchable online at quod.lib.umich.edu/m/med/''
08:37, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You could well be right about this. The suggestion that "calibe" could be fur is in the source quoted in the article, but that is an authoritative source on the history of Birmingham, not on medieval uasge. I guess it would be over-ruled on this specific subject by sourcesg that provided a greater weight of evidence and authority on the matter at hand - which the Sorbonne link you've quoted in particular would seem to provide. It seems sufficiently clearcut to just replace the latin word entirely with the english word "steel" in the text, and add the Sorbonne as an additional ref on the end of the sentence, if you think this would make sense? JimmyGuano (talk) 18:49, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

text: Changed now - well spotted. JimmyGuano (talk) 06:42, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Markets and merchants section 

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message: "The collapse of Birmingham's industrial economy was sudden and catastrophic. As late as 1976 the West Midlands region – with Birmingham as its principal economic dynamo – still had the highest GDP of any in the UK outside the South East, but within five years it was lowest in England.[305] Birmingham itself lost 200,000 jobs between 1971 and 1981, with the losses concentrated in the manufacturing sector"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.236.139.238 (talk) 10:38, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why did this happen? It's pretty big 

message: : and not a single piece of Anglo-Saxon material was found during the extensive archeological excavations that preceded the redevelopment of the Bull Ring in 2000.
Worked there during the reno. We were expressly told that there is no archeological interest and even if we find something not to call anyone because it's not an archeological site it's a building site. So even if we found intact bodies we would have just turned them back under, it wasn't our job to tell anyone. Idk if this is relevant but it does eat at me sometimes that we found pottery and artifacts but told no one. The profit margins were more important than their countries history. And we were just blue collar working class, no one would listen to us anyway. 2001:8003:2953:1900:201D:9C68:84CC:5E78 (talk) 17:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  In re Bull Ring archeology.