Talk:Abortion

message: More important than the number of women included in the longitudinal study is the method for their inclusion. Read  2. Methods and you will see an obvious problem with selection bias. Stated simply, doesn't it make sense that women with some doubts about their decision to have an abortion will be less willing to subject themselves to years of follow-up questions about it? Goodtablemanners (talk) 19:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That it why it is crucial to note the number, and you made a good point that I have not been aware of yet. TruthseekerW (talk) 19:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Figures like "99 percent" tend to raise red flags. That's why I looked over the section on 2.Methods (the "methods" section that comes after the shorter "methods" section in the Abstract)  to see if there was something off base about the selection of the subjects. Later I googled "abortion studies selection bias" and found this article:  . Goodtablemanners (talk) 22:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That opinion piece full of speculation by an anti-abortion person is not what's meant by a reliable secondary source. You may agree with him, but putting that POV concerning the study in the article violates WP:NOR. Someone can almost always support their opinion by googling for an article that agrees. That's called cherry-picking, and it doesn't comply with WP:RS. NightHeron (talk) 01:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That way, the whole earlier stady violates it too, for the reason that the study was done by pro-abortion people, so it is extremely hard to call it a neutral article. It is easy, checking the profiles of people who made the research from the reference no. 135. TruthseekerW (talk) 06:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The source in the article that gives the results of the study is not an opinion piece, and it's not full of speculation, so it's not analogous to your source. A scientific or scholarly work can be RS even if the authors have a strong viewpoint on the topic. NightHeron (talk) 08:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: As editors we select among the "reliable sources" that are used in Wikipedia articles. Because a source is eligible to be used does not, of course, mean that it must be used. The longitudinal study in question here does not have to be used as the key source article for the subsection as it is now. Goodtablemanners (talk) 14:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Selection bias

message: The problem with User:Avatar317's preferred version is that the moral issue is already insinuated but not clearly stated in the current second paragraph. If the paragraph is strictly about the science of abortion why bring up the issue of legality? Legality would not be an issue except for the dispute over the morality of abortion. So if legality is raised as an issue it should be done so with a PRIOR mention of the dispute over the procedure's morality. Goodtablemanners (talk) 01:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not true that illegality implies a moral issue. A drug or medical procedure might be illegal because it's unsafe. For example, if the falsehood propagated by the anti-abortion movement that abortion is unsafe for the woman were correct, then that alone could be a reason for legal restrictions or prohibitions. NightHeron (talk) 07:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: As discussed in previous talks about the safery of abortion, the process is quite safe, if there is access to well-trained medical personnel and sanitary conditions. The risk is considerably highter, when these conditions do not exist. Dimadick (talk) 09:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding these points: Except, of course, in reality neither of those hypotheticals is the case here. Illegal abortions exist because abortion is either broadly illegal or significantly restricted in some places; and the anti-abortion movement exists, and would exist, regardless of the safety of legally done procedures. No, "done legally", rather than simply "done properly" is used here because of the moral/political dispute over abortion. Goodtablemanners (talk) 14:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "When done legally..." 

message: The "Miscarriages induced by either grandma or self-taught midwives not only maim the woman, they also often lead to death." is mistranslated. Word 'бабка' in the poster doesn't mean "grandma" but rather "self-taught midwife" (Ref: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BA%D0%B0#Etymology_1), and 'акушеркой' is а female version of 'accoucheur', i.e. a non self-trained obstetrician (Ref: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B5%D1%80#Etymology).
Proposed label is "Miscarriages induced by either self-taught midwives or obstetricians not only maim the woman, they also often lead to death." 91.105.17.149 (talk) 06:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update translation of old Soviet poster