Talk:Confessing Church

message: This article needs cleaning up. There needs to be some scholarly reference and proper citation to have any credibility. --JECompton 07:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea for a magazine article, but not really appropriate for an encyclopedia article.  If you think the article needs to be improved, then the best way to make sure that happens is to improve it yourself.  Josh (talk) 20:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: In my reorganization of the Protestant Reich Church aritcle, I removed alot of material as it was all about the Confessing Church. Some of it might fit well with this article. Ltwin (talk) 10:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Protestant Reich Church article

message: I have read a bit on the subject (Donald Bloesch's Christian Foundations Series: The Church) and I think it is incorrect to refer to the confessing church as schismatic in the lead sentence. Schismatic refers to splitting away or separating into a new group. I was surprised to see this term used. It should be changed. Sectarian would be incorrect too. ...was a movement within the Protestant Churches would be more accurate and less open to misunderstanding. DMSBel (talk) 03:45, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schismatic? 

message: In Doris Bergen's doctoral thesis, later compressed in the book "Twisted Cross: The German Christian Movement in the Third Reich" (1996, The University of North Carolina Press), she discusses the nature of the Kirchenkampf in 1933. Rather than a rally against public national socialistic policies, it was a fight for control over the Protestant church, and its shape, she argues (p. 12).
Though divisions within German protestantism were blurred in 1933, some traits can be identified. The German Christians fought for a unity of Volk, Kirche and Staat. Thus, their goal was a state church. An opposing network of Protestants were organised as the Confessing Church. They stated that "church must remain church", thus the church had to be independent from the state.
This oversight shows that there was no coherent church. It is therefore not thinkable that the Confessing Church could have had such a role. This is, however, suggested by the Wikipedia article, that deals with the German Christians as an anomali, within a coherent German protestant movement (= the Confessing Church). The portrayal of the Confessing Church as if it was synonymous with the whole of the German Protestant civil society, forcefully neglects the lack of unity that characterised it.
The article takes side in the Kirchenkampf, continues to misportray it, and further adds to the public perception that it had to do with public policies at the Third reich's inception. There was no coherent German Protestant civil society. Suggestions saying that there was, risk exaggerating the Confessing Church's strength and commitment in opposing the Third Reich.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.191.208.132 (talk) 12:50, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: These points are well discussed in Gerlach which I have added to the references. When I have some time, I will try clean this up a bit. Joel Mc (talk) 20:40, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Added an even more recent refernce: Wiese&Betts. Joel Mc (talk) 08:01, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kirchenkampf 

message: This article is a disorganized mess! 
I'm sure that no movement lived up to the nice thoughts of people who would like to see hope somewhere, but putting aside the emotion... In place of this repetitive, rambling, sad set of notes, can't we have a proper encyclopedia article?
84.226.185.221 (talk) 08:42, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  A mess 

message: Does it make sense to ask when the CC ceased to exist? And if yes, then should the article say something about the end of the CC? I asked this question on the talk page of the German article nearly a year ago, but obtained no response. GroupCohomologist (talk) 10:13, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick answer is: yes.  The CC ceased to exist in 1945. "An additional noteworthy postwar leadership body was the reform-oriented council of brethren (Bruderrat), which had been the leadership council of the Confessing Church from 1934 to 1945. Although the Confessing Church officially disbanded after the war, the council of brethren continued to exist as an alternative voice within the EKD."----Joel Mc (talk) 11:46, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The organization may have been disbanded but the people were left to live with the consequences for many years. I met a few in the 60's who told my parents and me that they were usually still hiding their identity from Germans around them for fear of being branded traitors and the like. Jcwf (talk) 02:21, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did the CC cease to exist? 

message: The article suddenly starts referring to the Confessing Church without saying what bodies formed it.  Nor does it explain 'the confessional freedom of churches'.  Basically, this article only makes sense to someone who already knows what the Confessing Church is! It does not explain what joined up to become the Confessing Church, its hierarchy, its leadership, what its name means, why it got its name and who named it, and so on.  It starts referring to it without every properly explaining what it is.   SandJ-on-WP (talk) 17:50, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  What formed the Confessing Church?? 

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