Talk:Sony MDR-V6

message: With all due respect to the contributors to this page, Wikipedia is not an online marketplace. The article claims that Sony MDR-7506 is one of the "most popular stereo headphones in the domain of mixing, mastering and stage-monitoring." Well, what's "most popular"? MDR-7506 may be popular studio headphones, but so are dozens of others. Unless evidence can be provided (not coming from Sony) that this particular product is of very high notability by itself, this article serves no other purpose but advertising. Hence the tag.Yavrey (est vrai) 19:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have brought a handful of good references in to answer the notability question. The headphones are often listed as industry favorites or "almost-industry-standard". There are competitors, of course, but that does not stop this model line from having a big footprint and a good reputation in the industry. Binksternet (talk) 18:38, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion tag

message: Bose isn't a studio monitor manufacturer as far as I know, why are these being compared to them? Am I missing something or was someone being kinda lazy writing that part?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.36.12 (talk) 00:05, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the mention of Bose? 

message: There's a lot of folklore out there about the magnets being different in the V6 than the MDR-7506. It is true that there different magnets exist, but it is not true that each model has always had just one type of magnet. What is currently in each model is not necessarily what has always been. In the article, we must avoid making generalizations and assumptions on this point.
For example, I have the packaging for old (purchased mid-'90s) and new (purchased Nov. 2012) MDR-7506 headphones and am happy to provide scans thereof. The magnet type is stated on the packaging, and there's also an exploded view and parts list. They changed the magnet type, but did not change the driver part number! The old pair uses samarium cobalt, and the new pair has neodymium. The frequency response is still listed as 10-20000 Hz.
I don't have MDR-V6s for comparison, but since the driver part number is the same as for the MDR-7506, I think it's safe to assume the situation is the same; the part number is unreliable as evidence that the magnets are the same across all models, or even within the same model.
I have adjusted the MDR-7506 section accordingly. It now does not try to claim that every MDR-V6 uses samarium cobalt, and that every MDR-7506 uses neodymium. Clearly, the MDR-7506 switched magnets at least once, and I wouldn't be surprised if the MDR-V6 did, also. And on top of that, we have to consider the possibility that they don't always update the packaging and marketing literature to reflect these manufacturing decisions. There's even a disclaimer to that effect on the packaging! —mjb (talk) 16:32, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd feel more comfortable if there was not such a high degree of original research involved in figuring out the driver situation. It would be best to find a reliable source discussing the products. However, I am even more hesitant to give the reader the wrong impression. Binksternet (talk) 17:43, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magnet types in the MDR-V6 and MDR-7506 

message: Is this page truly notable per Wiki guidelines? I know advert and deletion tags have been applied and removed a number of times over the years, but there seems to be some historical merit (either in the history of headphones, the history of Sony, or the history of studio production equipment - this is unclear from the article). The current page seems like ad-copy for a product though; I think overall the page as-is has some peacock/weaseling going on, seems to violate NPOV and that the page is serving more as an echo-chamber than providing general topical information. If that can't be resolved through re-write, deletion seems reasonable. Obobskivich (talk) 10:29, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I just removed the frequency response portion of the table because I agree with you (I'm the person you quoted in a reply at the Grado talk page.) Regarding notability and promotional writing style, these are two separate things. The notability is supplied by the sources I found. The facts that are in the article are also supplied by the sources I found, which is probably why you think this text is promotional. Personally, I do not get a cent from Sony for writing about them, so I have no reason to write an overly promotional article about this line of headphones. It's just that the sources so often describe the headphones as "must have" or industry standard. Binksternet (talk) 01:26, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it should not appear that Wikipedia is saying they're a "must have" - Wikipedia should be telling the world that they are critically acclaimed by reviewers/industry professionals/etc. My primary issue with the tone is in the intro, there are uncited claims that they are "one of the most popular model lines among professional audio engineers" and that they "continue to be popular for audio editing, live sound and broadcast applications" - and to that I respond with: says who? And when? That's where it looks like advertising (at least to me). I feel that those lines could be removed without any loss to the article's content. The follow-up paragraphs that cite Consumer Reports and other publications are much better at addressing that - the claims are attributed to reliable sources and lay the burden of proof on the external sources. Frequency response figures still exist throughout the article (I removed them and re-worded it to still make sense), and finally citation #15 ("a 2001 web audio book") seems somewhat awkward (can't we just say that O'Reilly regarded them well? O'Reilly isn't an unknown organization, and is generally fairly credible). And as a final final note - should the 7509HD even be mentioned in this article? They aren't derived from the same base product (at least if memory serves), and seem somewhat extraneous within the context of this article (on that note, is there a broader "Notable Sony Products" page or category that this could be merged/included into?). Obobskivich (talk) 06:19, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability Burden