Talk:Don't Cry for Me Argentina

message: If memory serves, "No llores por mi, Argentina" is on Eva Peron's headstone.  Doesn't that deserve mention?  —  MusicMaker5376 16:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eva's memorial 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dontcryformeargentina.jpg

message: Exactly why is Madonna's discography listed here? I understand she sang one version of this song, but that is all.  The rest is fan fluff.—  BigPoppa 16:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The main article was removed april 24th.  I have now restored most of it, but it's still rather Madonna-heavy IMO. Her fans should make a separate page to emphasise Madonna's version   - Shaun  8 May 2008 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.217.128.222 (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I agree, the section regarding Madonna makes it seem like her version is the definitive version, which is completely subjective. Due to the overly large emphasis placed on her version(s) of this song, I downgraded the article on "objective"  03:38, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madonna discography 

message: Tom Jones recorded this song but I don't know the year. If someone cares they could add it. Thanks. -Winter123 (talk) 03:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom Jones 

message: Please note : The is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs/coverversions with the purpose of trying to establish a standard rule for merge/separate different version of the same song. Please make known your feelings on the matter. Agentchuck (talk) 02:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge/Separate 

message: Abba covered this song too.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srelu (talk • contribs) 04:17, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean ABBA. --PENGDONNA (talk) 18:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

text: ABBA did NOT cover this. (Coachtripfan (talk) 16:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a song on my computer "Abba - Don't Cry for me Argentina". I became suspicious and listened it carefully. It's definitely NOT Abba. I downloaded something that was "creatively" renamed:) It seems to be Julie Covington. My bad. Sorry.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srelu (talk • contribs) 03:39, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's unlikely ABBA ever recorded this song, not least because they were well known for only ever recording their own self-written songs – I'm not sure they ever recorded a cover version at all during their career, in fact. Richard3120 (talk) 13:34, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abba 

message: What do we mean about "Cover Versions"? For example, there is a Rock Band (Machaca Böffe), that recorded their own (rock) version of the song on their 2009 album Mi Mamá Me Mima (My Mother Loves Me)). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsabbione (talk • contribs) 17:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  COVER VERSIONS 

message: Please check...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.38.151.187 (talk) 23:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Argentina has been replaced by Papua New Guinea? 

message: When news came out about his running off to Argentina to see a mistress (and he then referred to crying and having found soul mate), there were joking references to "Don't Cry for Me Argentina".  Would that be OK to refer to in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 22:09, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mark Sanford]], then Governor of South Carolina 

message: Why is there no comma between Me and Argentina? --  Jack of Oz [Talk] 22:26, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll have to ask Tim Rice, the lyricist. That's the official title. (Evita On Broadway official website: Music) --Thnidu (talk) 17:23, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Comma?

message: "Weep", or "shout or call out"?
Lede:
:1. It appears early in the second act as Evita addresses the crowd from the balcony of the Casa Rosada…
§Original version:
:2. "Don't Cry for Me Argentina" appeared at the opening and near the end of the show, initially as the spirit of the dead Eva Perón exhorts the people of Argentina not to mourn her - "The truth is I never left you" - and later as she gives a final broadcast - "The truth is I shall not leave you". 
:3. Shortly before the album was finally mixed, Lloyd Webber suggested to Rice that the line "Don't Cry for Me Argentina" also worked in the context of the new First Lady of Argentina giving a speech. 
:4. Rice points out that in this instance "cry" refers to shouting or calling out rather than weeping.
§Cover versions:
:5. Paloma San Basilio and Nacha Guevara recorded versions of the song in Spanish ("No llores por mí Argentina"). Katja Ebstein did a popular German version called "Wein’ nicht um mich Argentinien". 
The sense "shouting or calling out" (4) is consistent with the final placement of the song in the show (1), which seems to have been a late change (3). But "weeping" is the meaning that makes sense in the song's original context (2). It's the usual meaning of "cry" by itself, without "__ out" or "__ aloud" or "__ for help" or the like, and it's the one that the translators used (llorar, weinen) (5).¹ So the lyricist's adjuration to understand it as "shouting or calling out" (4) sounds like a rather lame justification after the fact. 
¹ And the Spanish translation is included as a bonus track on the album of the Fall 2013 tour of the musical. 
--Thnidu (talk) 17:27, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cry" 

message: *How Tim Rice created the musical and the song.
*The origin of Don't Cry For Me, Argentina
—Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 13:06, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  For expansion 

message: In the article Violin Concerto (Brahms), section "In popular culture", there is a sourced statement saying that the third movement of this concerto inspired the song. A Google search for Brahms Cry Argentina yields almost 300,000 results. Thought this might be interesting to editors working on the page.MackyBeth (talk) 21:12, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brahms 

message: The article states that Rice and Lloyd Webber first spotted Julie Covington in an episode of Rock Follies, which aired its first episode in February of 1976.  Then, later, they trooped off to start recording Evita with Covington (and others) in ... 1975???
Something's wrong with this chronology here. Can someone with access to the sources please check and correct?  Thanks!  70.49.243.230 (talk) 01:13, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  An error in chronology 

message: In the main article of the Madonna version of "Don't Cry for Me Argentina" it lists the song as ranking at #57 in the Australian year-end charts, but in the year-end charts table below it has it at #56. Which one is correct? --Geach (talk) 17:16, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: 56, according to the reference – I'm sure it was an accidental typo, and I've altered it accordingly. Richard3120 (talk) 17:40, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! --Geach (talk) 17:57, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian year-end charts confusion 

message: Article says that in the soundtrack version sung by Madonna, her voice spans the notes from G3 to C5, but checking the track against a piano, it seems to be F#3 to B4. Before I edit, can anyone corroborate this?
Also the original Covington version is stated as having vocal notes E3 to G#5 but Covington, Brightman and Elaine Page in her live version all seem to go from G#3 to C#5.
The evidence given is sheet music. Am I missing something?
Bpalmerau (talk) 01:34, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocal notes in the song 

message: What is the tempo? 15:06, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't that depend on which version you're listening to? Richard3120 (talk) 15:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  By tempo, I didn't mean speed, I meant is it 3/4, 4/4, 2/4 or what? Kdammers (talk) 15:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Usually 4/4. The section about Madonna's version mentions this. Richard3120 (talk) 15:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you.  Does that mean that the song has different tempi in different versions?  Since tempo is a key element of music, this is surprising to me.  Can this be added somewhere?  I think tempo is something that should be included in music articles right near the start rather than way down in a subsection of a section about one singer in this case.  It would help those of us who are not musically gifted and want to be able to see right away something about the song. Kdammers (talk) 12:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean the time signature, not the tempo. I guess it isn't added to most song articles because many people reading song articles can't read music, and seeing that a song is in 3/4 time, or 4/4 time, or whatever, means nothing to them, and it probably wouldn't be as interesting to them as the story behind the song. It would also need to be sourced, which would mean finding the song's sheet music on Music Notes or a similar website. Richard3120 (talk) 17:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tempo?