Talk:Excited delirium

message: So... it does seem to be the case that excited delirium may show up more in coroners reports and in the testimony of lay witnesses than in medical discussions, *but* there are also situations under which medical doctors will sedate patients against their will due to what they identify as agitation. The suggested treatments in this case seem similar to those for excited delirium. Antipsychotics, benzodiazapines and ketamine. The term "acute behavioural disturbance" links to this article. 
Taking quotes from the section "The challenginge patient" of
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Where should this information exist, and I found this source that says:
 
I feel like we need to discuss this somewhere and the similarities to excited delirium should be acknowledged. It feels a bit like we are denying the existence of a clinical diagnosis and the involuntary treatment associated with it because a related concept is being used forensically in questionable ways.
Talpedia (talk) 07:23, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... think I might create an article called "acute behavioral disturbance" mention it in the lede and discuss treatment. Something like "The term Excited Delirium is sometimes use interchangeably with Acute behavioural disturbance, a diagnosis used in medicine with many underlying causes that often involves the use Chemical restraint with anti-psyuchotics, benzodiazapines and ketamine." Dunno if this would count as a content fork but this distinguished excited delirium as a possible cause of ABD Talpedia (talk) 17:46, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

text: , I have no strong opinion on that, other than that we need to avoid the tendency of certain parties in the medical field to portray violent police actions towards mentally ill people as some kind of defensible response to fear of their behaviour. Guy (help! - typo?) 17:55, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where to talk about what the medical best practice does to agitated patients 

message: I've started to put together a draft for acute behavioural disturbance: Draft:Acute Behavioral Disturbance to deal with the "official" medical response for aroused behaviour potentially resulting in Chemical restraint or physical restraint. It's not quite there yet, but when it's ready I'm planning to stop disambiguating acute behavioural disturbance and link to this page in the lede. Talpedia (talk) 01:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acute behavioural disturbance 

message: Related:
* They kill the person twice: police spread falsehoods after using deadly force, analysis finds --The Guardian
:"A review of police killings in California showed that law enforcement spokespeople frequently publish highly misleading or sometimes false information about the people they have killed. Over the last five years, the Guardian found at least a dozen examples in the state of initial police statements misrepresenting events, with major omissions about the officers’ actions, inaccurate narratives about the victims’ behaviors, or blatant falsehoods about decisive factors.
:In some cases, police cited vague “medical emergencies” without disclosing that officers had caused the emergencies through their use of force. In others, departments falsely claimed that the civilians had been armed or had overdosed. In most instances, media outlets repeated the police version of events with little skepticism."
--Guy Macon (talk) 16:16, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that's something to be extensively addressed on the page, although it would be worth briefly noting. I would hope that this is detailed on a page that is about more general police misconduct and a link to there would be good. MasterTriangle12 (talk) 01:45, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice that this report is about the "initial" police statements.  Breaking news is often filled with misrepresentations, omissions, inaccuracies, etc., because people don't always have full information at hand.  I think the way to approach this problem for this article is to not use WP:PRIMARYNEWS. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:04, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  They kill the person twice: 

message: The short description was "state of extreme agitation". Although excited delirium is often used interchangeable with Acute behavioural disturbance which is state of agitation, excited delirium is considered to be a well-defined diagnosis in other literuate (particularly when talking about death). 
I'm changing this to "Condition accompanied by...". Talpedia (talk) 17:41, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short description 

message: This sentence:
While diagnosis is habitually of men under police restraint, medical preconditions and symptoms attributed to the syndrome are far more varied.
is in the ==Deaths== section, but I can't figure out what it has to do with the deaths.  I also couldn't figure out where else to put it.  The structure of this article is unusual, and I'm not sure that it's serving us well. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:43, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have time to look into it deeply right now so maybe there's more to it, but I don't even know what that sentence means at first glance. More varied than what? Seems like the kind of sentence that could be deleted without much loss. Though the source looks like it might have some potential use if it isn't used elsewhere. Ironic sensibilities (talk) 23:53, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that it means when you look at the people who've been claimed to have excited delirium, some of them have psychotic illnesses, some of them have acute drug problems, some of them have brain injuries, some of them have physiological problems (e.g., encephalopathy), etc.  In nosological terms, you want one disease/one set of symptoms/one etiology (or at least one set of risk factors).  This sort of has one set of symptoms, but it doesn't seem to have one set of risk factors. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That is probably what it means, but I can't access the source to be sure. I tried to reorganize things. Let me know if this looks better? Feel free to revert or discuss. Ironic sensibilities (talk) 21:45, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization