Talk:Maddox (writer)

message: Maddox' writing centers on "soft-hate" of all things gentle or thoughtful, and of all forms of fad-behavior. While I find myself in agreement with part of what he puts forth, that seems purely a matter of chance. He does not exhibit a discerning nature.
While his writing can be funny, too often it is not. You can call it "shock talk" if you want, but I see no value in saying demeaning things about people for shock value alone. In reality, he really does has nothing to say, and he says it time and again. If people enjoy reading his work, that says perhaps more about them than him, he's just selling his humor.
Make no mistake, his writing does border on brilliant at times, but he has nothing to teach, and no place he is "going" with his writing. I would guess that his writing appeals primarily to the pre-pubescent or barely-pubescent mind. 
If Maddox had any desire to direct his attention to "real" issues he might turn out to be a real force. Perhaps it is just as well that he has not.
There is no question in my mind as to whether he "sold out".. of course he did, from "day one". That, or he truly is simply very immature. Any denial of having sold out is only to be expected in either case.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.146.80.187 (talk) 01:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maddox has nothing to say. 

message: Somehow, a photo consisting of just the guy giving the finger seems a bit unnecessarily vulgar for Wikipedia. Are there any other pictures that could be substituted? Lord Seth (talk) 17:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope so. This picture is NSFW.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMissileSilo (talk • contribs) 20:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of pictures on Wikipedia that are NSFW, as it is our policy to be uncensored. I better picture is always encouraged though. TostitosAreGross (talk) 02:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately it is hilarious that all known photographs of the man show him flipping the bird.--EchetusXe (talk) 19:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Au contraire, not all of them: see here, here, and here. None of them are very good pictures, though. --darolew 05:26, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: I've moved it back to Maddox (writer) because there is no way that just some Internet celebrity is the primary topic over biographies, US destroyers, etc.  Not even close.  Links on Wikipedia only indicate systematic bias and are not a reason for establishing who gets the primary topic and who gets the disambiguation, per WP:DAB. hbdragon88 (talk) 00:31, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: Most of the content in this article has been deleted -- why? 
Leroyinc (talk) 22:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What happened?

message: Ali provided me with these sources to source the content of the article, please have a look:
:*http://www.macleans.ca/culture/entertainment/article.jsp?content=20060501_126058_126058
:*http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2004/02/22/no_kids_please/
:*http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/06/02/maddox_qa/
:*http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/16/fashion/sundaystyles/16CADS.html
Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 16:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources provided courtesy of [[user:Ali]]

message: You apparently all like failure.  This is Maddox we're talking about here.  You all keep saying a bunch of shit to improve the article or do something to it, but none of you does crap.  I pledge to make this page better starting today.  First I'm going to get rid of both of those "lead section guidelines" warnings.  You apparently are all way way way too lazy to even fix the first SENTENCE of the article.  You all lose. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 22:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There, I've already done more than it seems any of you could possibly do.  Fix the first sentence correctly. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 22:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Terribly sorry that English is my third language and I stick to article writing on other language versions. The lead was shit so I added the template... which made you fix it. All good. --SaberExcalibur! 22:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally, this article looks readable and not like it was written more or less by retards. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 22:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:CIVIL, plox. kthxbai Howa0082 (talk) 23:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: No problem. It's my pleasure. Everything I said was true, too. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 17:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  You all suck-This is my pledge 

message: A few days ago, User:Rjd0060 semi-protected this article, citing anon vandalism; edit warring has continued among established editors, since then, so I've upped that protection to "full" -- at this point, only administrators will be able to edit the page in the next few days. Changes, if needed and supported by consensus, can be requested via the  template on this talk page. I encourage interested users to discuss changes to this article on talk pages, and to make use of the dispute resolution process as needed. Thank you for your time. – Luna Santin (talk) 21:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protected 

message: If Maddox said in here  that his screen name comes from Madox-01, surely we can say that he said that, right? WhisperToMe (talk) 05:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely.  It used to be in the article and idk how it got removed. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Arisedrink removed it.  WhisperToMe (talk) 01:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Somehow, that doesn't surprise me... Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 19:09, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: MADOX-01

message: I've merged his personal website content into this article, the rationale being that it did not show any notability.  There no third party sources and all it showed was personal stuff that made it resemble barely more of a neutral fan site than a Wikipedia article about web content. hbdragon88 (talk) 17:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This has ran into opposition.  Opposer points to this Google News link.  However I disagree that this offers any claims to notability.  WP:WEB says that the content itself must have been covered by multiple works.  Most of the hits – - I've done three pages – do not discuss the website itself, but more or less are hits that say "Maddox, created the Best Page in the Universe, wrote a book, etc. etc." which shows notability for Maddox himself and his book, but not for the website. hbdragon88 (talk) 00:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll try to find some links regarding the web site itself, but I can only go by past experience that a website which has lasted as long as his, which continues to receive an inordinant amount of hits despite being updated once in a blue moon is notable. Red157 (talk • contribs) 13:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

text: I was fixing to delete some of the more obvious Fact-tags, but if this page has been getting vandalized a lot lately, I don't want to cause any more distress to the people actually keeping it clean.  However I would like to weigh in on the notability.  The website is more notable now than the drudge report was at the time that it survived a deletion/merge debate.  This guy doesn't annoy me, but he is very creative, and if you do want to merge, I would say to make sure you consider letting the other article be the main article with a small blob about him.  His page peaked into the Alexis top 150 when the internet was young and I had first learned of his site.  There was a report somewhere (a source from this page or the other, that appeared as a citation) that said some statistics about "how viral" his site was, and I wish I could find it for you guys because it was a very impressive figure, documented by a reliable source.  The source was a citation for some other fact, but the citation should be re-used for the fact which I thought was more impressive.  I think his webpage is more notable than he is, and he is notable, but I leave it to you guys to work on this page.  I don't wish to engage his fans in matters concerning encyclopedia content. Sentriclecub (talk) 16:17, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merged 

message: I dispute the use of the term "fratire" to describe Maddox. I think it's a misconnection based on his mysogony and obnoxiousness, but in general his work really isn't connected to the frat stereotype. He doesn't talk about alcohal or drugs (he's said in an interview that drugs are for losers), his reference to women are often less sexual and more anti-feminist (there's a difference), he got his name from an anime, he talks about video games all the time, and he actually has at least two article complaining about jock types, one of which was specific to those at his University! Do I have a counter-arguement, much less a good citation? If we do have a citation, I think we should contextualize it with some of the contrary evidence from his site. D prime (talk) 04:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a really lousy source to begin with, so I've removed it entirely.  Besides the fact that the linkw as a generic "list of articles" link, it looked like it was written by an ordinary Joe, no expert in the field. hbdragon88 (talk) 04:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The term was coined by a reporter during an interview with Tucker Max, who regrets that he couldn't think up a better term and that such a stupid name for the genre caught on.  Regardless, 'Fratire' is how the media describes what they do.Aurini (talk) 05:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Fratire"

message: It is stated in the article that Maddox draws his pictures in Microsoft Paint. This seems unlikely to me, since Maddox says he runs UNIX. (See the bottom of the [main page]: "This page was made using vi in unix. Anything else is for failures.") SpectrumDT (talk) 11:47, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he's talking about the page itself, not the pictures. I could be wrong though. C Teng [talk] 21:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Microsoft Paint?

message: There is a new edition of the book coming out and should be noted on the Wikipedia page.  Here is the proof: http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=nom_book_tour  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.74.162.173 (talk) 04:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: When it is covered in 3rd party wp:RS it might possibly be worth adding to the article.  Maybe.- sinneed (talk) 05:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Alphabet Of Manliness 

message: George Ouzounian is a member of the Harold team Lincoln's Bedroom at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre in Los Angeles. Consequently, I'm pretty sure he lives in Los Angeles and not in Salt Lake City. []  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heartofgravy (talk • contribs) 06:14, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maddox at UCBTLA 

message: This article keeps going sour over time because people keep messing it up. As it is now many of the sentences are quite disjointed and the whole article is worded badly. 71.193.10.156 (talk) 08:13, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Any suggested edits?- Sinneed 17:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixing 

message: I suggest merging this page with [[the bestis an extension of the other. The site is entirely his personal blog site. Perhaps if it had other writers then it would need a separate article. Plus both articles are rather short, meaning a combined article wouldn't be that long. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 06:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I contacted Maddox himself on the matter. Here are his thoughts:
"The guy who suggested the merger says his reasoning is that me and my
site are 'irreparably' linked. The word 'irreparable' doesn't mean
what he thinks it does. He probably meant to say 'intrinsically
linked.' In any event, merging the two articles would have been
appropriate back in 2004, before I had any other notable publications
under my belt, but my work as a writer has spanned to magazines,
newspapers, radio, books and even some television. I'm the webmaster
and author of several other notable sites, including:
http://alphabetofmanliness.com/
And most recently:
http://iambetterthanyourkids.com/
The work, 'The Best Page in the Universe' is its own separate entity
written in a voice I don't always use in all my other writing (most
notably my writing for television or radio)." --JohnnyLurg (talk) 00:22, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's amusing, but due to WP:COI and WP:AUTO, Maddox cannot really have input on his own article. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:29, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: From my understanding the subject of a BLP would have a say in his article, but it's not like he or she gets to control it completely. In any case I think the arguments presented by Maddox and JohnnyLurg are compelling, so I Oppose the proposed merger. WhisperToMe (talk) 14:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Oppose, per JohnnyLurg and Maddox. - PM800 (talk) 21:21, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: In 2011 his second book, I Am Better Than Your Kids, was published. Maddox has also performed in the Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre.
"performed" is what i believe is supposed to be in that paragraph.
Drvonspawn (talk) 02:05, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Dru of Id (talk) 14:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 11 April 2013 

message: Change picture to: http://2292774aeb57f699998f-7c1ee3a3cf06785b3e2b618873b759ef.r47.cf5.rackcdn.com/person_10079.png)
ImmerDieserGlasre (talk) 22:37, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: see Wikipedia:Image use policy Cannolis (talk) 23:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2014 

message: Whose house was built on January 1, 1978? Michigan. The Stearns. LonelyLaura (talk) 12:38, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Tyler Oakley]]'s Psychobabble 

message: July 15, 2015  Maddox has retracted all his previous statements about the iPhone and Apple products in general. He has purchased an iPhone 6 Plus and has been quoted saying, "The iPhone 6 Plus is the best phone I've ever used and I would like to apologize to Apple and my fans for all of my uninformed and incorrect opinions regarding the iPhone and other Apple products." It seems like his detrimental ignorant stubbornness is lifting slightly. Dick Masterson, Maddox's co-host on the podcast, "The Biggest Problem In The Universe", chimed in saying, "Maddox giving up his ridiculous Apple opinions is a win for us all. Our podcast was on the way to being the top rated comedy podcast of all time when Maddox started bringing up his problems with the iPhone. Our podcast is full of opinions but Maddox's desperate attempt to trash the iPhone caused the majority of our listeners to unsubscribe, they couldn't take hearing Maddox whine about the iPhone one more time. I considered leaving the show my self, maybe I should have. We're all happy to hear that we won't have to listen to Maddox complain about the iPhone again, however the damage has already been done. On the day we release the next episode of the podcast, we went from thousands of downloads to less than a hundred. We're all hoping we can rebuild our fan base in this new iPhone hate-free environment". 
Blakemacdonson (talk) 20:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Furthermore, there is currently no discussion in the article about Maddox' statements about Apple, so there doesn't seem to be anything to change. You also did not request a change in the format "please change X to Y" so there is nothing to do. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:52, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Maddox (writer). Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080214195231/http://www.netmag.co.uk:80/zine/discover-interview/maddox to http://www.netmag.co.uk/zine/discover-interview/maddox
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070415010744/http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/06/02/maddox_qa/ to http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/06/02/maddox_qa/
*Added archive late:ESp --> If you wish to use this talk page to build consensus that's fine, but please do not reopen the  tag for this purpose. Thanks, —KuyaBriBriTalk 17:16, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The section:
"In 2014, Maddox created a weekly podcast titled The Biggest Problem in the Universe." 
should be changed. 
Maddox co-created The Biggest Problem with Dax Herrera (pka Dick Masterson). Saying Maddox created the show is untrue. They worked together on the concept for the show and they were equal partners in that venture. Jcsturgeon (talk) 20:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —MRD2014 Talk • Edits • Help! 22:28, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2017 

message: Two suggested changes:
Original: Ref 18 & 19 link to biggest.thedickshow.com, which includes libellous material against Maddox and violates Wikipedia's "neutral point of view" terms.
Proposed: Revert to Nov 13 changes which links to the neutral: http://thebiggestproblemintheuniverse.com/
Dick's fans are still vandalizing this page. The changes added by Mattman723 on Nov 22 violate Wikipedia terms by linking to "contentious material about living persons [which] must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous."
The changes added were to change links 18 & 19 to Dick's page which includes libellous statements about Maddox and is not "an exact copy of the original page." False: Herrera has change the page biggest.thedickshow.com to include links to promote his own show, which includes libellous material against Maddox. Maddox has brought forth a defamation suit against Herrera partly for this very reason: https://drive.google.com/file/d/10mkkvbmMq-hp4fNPdRER4H12E-CyU8mT/view
The show's domain http://www.thebiggestproblemintheuniverse.com is live and active, and includes the most complete, neutral and up-to-date page for The Biggest Problem in the Universe. 
 
Original: In 2014, Maddox teamed up with comedic author "Dick Masterson" — a pseudonym for Dax Herrera — to create the weekly podcast The Biggest Problem in the Universe.
Proposed: Please revert to August 6 changes: In 2014, Maddox created a weekly podcast titled The Biggest Problem in the Universe
Mattman723 suggests that "the podcast was started by both comedians, both of whom were equal participants in the show." Not true: Dick was only co-host and not present for every episode. It would be like arguing their audio-engineer should be listed because he was present for as many episodes as Dick. Maddox hosted every episode, runs the domain and is also the sole host of the live shows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDof79PEPQk 
  
Maddox is taking Dick to court about a trademark dispute, which is based on Maddox's long precedent of "in the Universe" brands. Contrary to Mattman723's assertion, this doesn't imply "noteworthiness" of the co-host as it does not qualify for Wikipedia's standards for notability: notability is not temporary and Dick was found not to be a noteworthy person on multiple occasions. Babsbodette (talk) 18:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: . The user you're calling a vandal has not been blocked for vandalism (or anything else) in the 13 years they've been here so be careful not to violate our policy against personal attacks. Your repeated uses of the word "libellous" also come pretty close to violating our policy forbidding legal threats so maybe rethink that, too. This would obviously be a pretty contentious series of changes that requires an actual discussion. I don't know if your mentions of that person's username got their attention so I'll ping them just in case.  do you have anything to add? CityOfSilver 18:59, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you for responding. My comment about Dick's fans vandalizing this page was a reference to what IVORK said up above, not meant as a personal attack against Mattman723; apologies to Mattman723 if that appeared to be the case. As for "libellous" material, the sources Mattman723 linked to are notoriously anti-Maddox and unnecessary when there's a neutral website hosting the podcast, not a mirror that promotes "The Dick Show" which attacks Maddox, calling him autistic, retarded, developmentally disabled, etc and attacks against his personal friends and family. Please let me know if you'd like examples. I would like Wikipedia to be a good, reliable source of information with a neutral point of view. These links are inappropriate and the other change to include "Dax Herrera" in this page are consistent with changes made by Dick's fans to promote him. Maddox hasn't worked on "The Biggest Problem" in years and has a current podcast called "The Best Debate in the Universe" with a current co-host that has an actual Wikipedia page isn't even mentioned in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rucka_Rucka_Ali That's why these edits should be reverted. Dick/Dax is not a noteworthy personality and not a significant enough to include in this page. Thank you! Babsbodette (talk) 19:08, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Proof of Dick Masterson's involvement in the creation of the podcast can be found in the response/admission to the trademark opposition filed by Dick Masterson. The response is a legal document filed by Maddox's lawyers and can be found here: http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91235267&pty=OPP&eno=4 . Paragraph 8 states that: "Answering Paragraph eight of the Opposition, Applicant admits in early 2014 parties collaborated on idea to start an entertainment podcast" 2.36.128.17 (talk) 02:34, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

text:  I would just add that the links I supplied for citations 18 and 19, despite the second-level domain being at "thedickshow.com" are, in fact, a direct copy of the original BPITU site. The actual "original" website has been heavily modified to Maddox's signature style. I haven't found the advertisements on biggest.thedickshow.com that you mention promoting his own show, outside of the link itself. The lawsuit and copyright claims are still in contention, for now, but keep in mind that even though you disagree with me that the co-hosts were equal participants, in the absence of any legal documents stating otherwise, the law presumes it to be a 50/50 partnership. Sean was an employee of the show and thus would not be consider a co-creator or equal partner (although if he was willing to argue in court about such a matter, it would be anyone's guess). User:Mattman723 04:01, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2017 

message: Original: Maddox produces a web series titled The Best Show in the Universe, and uploads it to his YouTube channel, which has over 300,000 subscribers.
Proposed:Maddox produces a web series titled The Best Show in the Universe, and uploads it to his YouTube channel, which has fewer than 300,000 subscribers.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/user/maddoxaom AidsJesus (talk) 04:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Stickee (talk) 06:13, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2018 

message: "rape and death threats" > "threats of rape and death" or something. It's not supposed to say that a rape actually happened, right? 88.90.133.42 (talk) 06:19, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear wording 

message: Dick Masterson comes up an awful lot in talking about Maddox, but I think it would be best to refrain from using his real name, as he has on numerous occasions expressed discomfort with having his real-life name attached to these events. On his show, he always goes to lengths to avoid having to say his real name, and is always sure to express his annoyance with those who disrespect this boundary. I've taken the liberty of editing every reference of his real name to "Dick Masterson," and the citation I changed should read "Dick Masterson" regardless, as that is the author in the byline of the post that is being linked.
Fredo699 (talk) 10:45, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: As he is definitely better known as "Dick Masterson", that's what almost all the mentions of him go by. However, mentioning his legal name once and only once would seem proper, per WP:CENSOR. BOTTO (T•C) 23:08, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using Dick's Real Name