Talk:Autogas

message: As the creator and (so far) primary contributor to this page, I am working from my own knowledge of autogas systems, which is primarily Australian based. I have only a little bit of knowledge of how things vary elsewhere. It is possible that some of the things I take for granted as being how things are done worldwide today may not be. If you spot something that is not consistent with how things are done in your country or area, please discuss it here or mention the regional variation when adding to the article. --Athol Mullen 02:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential for {worldview} issues

message: This article would be much better if anyone could add some information about how the LPG control system interfaces to a modern multipoint injection system. This seems to be just about carburettor based systems. I don't think I've even seen a carb in ten years so some sections are not really relevant —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.69.79.28 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interfacing to MPi 

message: Just like to add that lpg is quite popular and widely availabe in Belgium. It should be added to the country list.
:Done.--Pineapple Fez 06:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belgium 

message: What's a typical full tank pressure? There are no operating pressures mentioned too. Arny (talk) 18:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know from experience that the tank pressure is in the order of 100PSI.  You're right, it would be useful to add. I'll have to find a reference that states tank pressures and add it unless someone beats me to it. --Athol Mullen (talk) 09:56, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tank pressure 

message: Why is autogas chosen or not over diesel oil or gasoline?
The article only mentions price but that is very dependent of the respective taxes.
So why do whole countries not switch to mostly one fuel?
Are there differences in cost of maintenance or power or autonomy or risk?
--84.20.17.84 (talk) 16:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons 

message: why would other people don't use LPG?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.226.225.254 (talk) 01:04, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  the number of cars run on LPG in thailand 

message: well this is kinda embarassing but I was redirected to this page from tng, and i was expecting a star trek article. I really have no problem with tng redirecting here except there's no explaination on the page for what "tng" means  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.245.220.53 (talk) 08:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The redirect made no sense to me, and appears to have been vandalism. It now points to Star Trek: The Next Generation as it originally did. --Athol Mullen (talk) 10:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[tng]]? 

message: Does the use of incompatable connectors (Acme thread, Dutch Bayonet and Italian) create difficulties for motorists in border areas or visiting neighbouring countries (e.g. Netherlands/Belgium, Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland, Austria/Germany, Italy/Switzerland etc ) ? 86.112.238.238 (talk) 13:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Being in Australia, where we use only the ACME thread, I can't really answer the question as well as someone from Europe should be able to. However, I have read in a UK usenet group that adapters are commonly available and that people traveling from the UK to Europe will usually buy the adapter(s) that they will need before they leave. It would be nice to add such information the article if someone can properly reference it. --Athol Mullen (talk) 02:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Dutch here. I travel with two (Acme/German and Italian) adapters that can be screwed onto my Dutch Bayonet connector. There's a screw-thread fitted on my connector just for these adaptors. See the first seconds of this http://wn.com/bayonet_to_euro_lpg_filler_adapter  Sedulus (talk) 08:09, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connecter incompatibility

message: I have been looking at the BRC Blos propane carburetor which appears to work on a different principle to a normal propane mixer.  I don't know whether other companies make similar products.  I think it would be worth mentioning.
Dieselnutjob (talk) 17:56, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propane Carburetors

message: The United States section was recently added by the brand new user User:Allianceautogas (contribs) using references from http://autogasforamerica.org . This looks suspiciously like Autogas For America adding info about themselves - which is frowned upon by Wikipedia. The information added so far seems reasonable but it will bear watching.  Stepho  (talk) 22:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflict of interest in United States section 

message: i have to blank out this section. the science and figures used are not correct.
typical diesels have an efficiency of 45%, and a theoretical of 65% maximum. 
if someone wishes to reinsert this section they may, if they use a reliable source.
thank youScoobertwho (talk) 23:47, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  LPG injection for diesel vehicles 

message: This section on valve protection fluid needs some references and information about why and when the product is necessary or desirable.  I didn't find anything other than advertizing in a quick look around the net.  Engines with hardened (Stellite) valve seats wouldn't benefit much if at all from the product, but engines designed to run on leaded fuel typically need something to replace the protective effect that lead had on the valve seats and so would benefit. 
98.248.42.250 (talk) 01:31, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Optional valve protection 

message: The original value given (35% after a blog) compares emissions by liter (not equivalent amount, as stated in the article). However, the density of autogas is significantly lower than gasoline. In calculating the 'equivalent amount' one should probably also take into account the energy density. Perhaps a secion discussing those numbers would be in order? Providing only liter-by-liter comparison is at least misleading MarekZielinski (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 14:57, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  CO2 emissions reduction 

message: Anon IP added the following comments to the Thailand section:
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Too much errors.
1. LPG in Thailand started since 1970 era, when OPEC increased its petroleum price. Colonel Karun Kengradomying  successfully modified many Bangkok's taxi to be able to run on LPG. Once the news rippled out, all Bangkok taxi changed their engine from expensive gasoline to very low price LPG. By 1980, practically all taxi run on LPG, none on gasoline.
However, the household car owners didn't buy this idea. The conversion is done very inefficient. The smell of LPG may leak into the car. The chance of engine catches fire from pavement conversion shop is too high.
2. Around the year 2000, the gasoline price jumped from 12 baht/litre to 40 bahts/litre. But the LPG price was clamped at 9 baht/litre, as it is the main cooking fuel of the Kingdom. This fuel price distortion caused household car owners to start modify their car to LPG, hundred cars a day, nation wide. Despite dangerous work done by street-side engineer. Despite very dangerous fuel filling procedure - invert the cooking tank so the LPG can flow from the cooking tank to the car's tank.
3. Around 2005, PTT and the government started the campaign for taxi to change the fuel from LPG to CNG by largely subsidize the conversion cost, also promised to clamp the CNG price at 8.50 baht/kilogram for years. As 1 kG of CNG is equivalent to about 2 litres of LPG, most taxi buy the idea immediately.
4. Some of the household car owner buys the CNG conversion idea, too. To find out later that the weight of CNG tank (100+ kilograms) causes very fast deterioration of the car suspension. Worse, there was practically no CNG station. Worst, the fully filled CNG car can go for less than 200 kilometer before run out of gas. Thus, this CNG segment's conversion becomes less and less.
5. CNG is monopoly. Thus, the filling station number grows slowly. However, around 2008, the CNG is well known. The truck owners also started to learn that CNG can be used mixedly with the diesel fuel without any problem. The CNG-converted truck uses a lot less diesel that the lower cost of CNG pays back the high conversion cost in less than 3 months. So by 2015, most of the heavy truck has 6-8 large CNG tanks at their back. Filling of these heavy truck needs the very long time. 
That's the last straw for the household car owners and taxi. They have to wait in the queue, may be up to 30 minutes before being filled. So in 2015, almost no one is willing to convert their car to CNG.
6. The LPG technology becomes more advance. The direct injected LPG is safer, more efficient, more power, as compare to carburetor-suction LPG engine. Almost on par with high-octane engine. The price of LPG (2015) is around 13 baht/litre, compared to 35 baht/litre of 95-octane gasoline, while give the same mileage, litre-to-litre.
Thus, more and more household small and middle car is converted to LPG. That's how the 1,000,000 number becomes.
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I have shifted the comments to here.  Stepho  talk  05:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thailand 

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