Talk:List of national and state libraries

message: The UK has 6 legal deposit libraries, not just the British Library. Seeing as legal deposit library links to national library, they ought to be included in this list. 
*British Library
* the Bodleian Library, Oxford
* the University Library, Cambridge
* the National Library of Scotland
* the Library of Trinity College, Dublin
* the National Library of Wales  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.140.132 (talk) 21:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK 

message: Nice list, but I would like to see foundation dates for each library listed as well. --Ghirla -трёп- 09:41, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been moved to the Template:Infobox Library that can be displayed on libraries' individual pages. Clpda (talk) 13:47, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm stumped too... GregorB 19:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Marked with . Someone needs to be bold; the columns are nearly empty anyway, so one could decide anew what they stand for here. GregorB (talk) 11:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fields

message: The article reads, Some of the first libraries were national libraries; for example, the Library of Alexandria was the national library of Ptolemaic Egypt. This is incorrect as it is anachronistic. Egypt, at any time before the mid-twentieth century, wasn't a nation and therefore couldn't have a national library. The concept of "nation" implied in the expression "national library" emerged no earlier than the late-eighteenth century - proof of it is that de facto national libraries such as the British and US Congress libraries are not termed "national libraries". 189.33.13.5 06:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Library of Alexandria 

message: Found this in the IFLA newsletter June 2007 
Help needed: Directory of National Libraries on Wikipedia
The Standing Committee has discussed the creation of a Directory of national libraries worldwide,
taking into account existing lists such as that maintained by the European Library Service for the
national libraries of Europe members of CENL (Conference of European National Librarians). We
have now learned that a worldwide list exists on Wikipedia: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_libraries 
We think this is an excellent basis for developing a list: since it is open each country may add its
national library details and maintain them, thus avoiding setting up another infrastructure. We
encourage you therefore to check your country’s national library (and other) details on this site and
update – or create - entries as required. Please let us know your comments on the entries and help
maintain an up-to-date list. As an example, the reference staff of the Swiss National Library ensure
that the Swiss entry is accurate and up-to-date as part of their general information service mission.
Thank you for your input! 
Houshuang (talk) 00:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice :-) When Itranslated this site to Hebrew (:he:רשימת ספריות לאומיות) I found in English some mistakes, but I didn't fix them all (some out of lack of real information), so we really could use an expert's eye. DGtal (talk) 18:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote from IFLA newsletter 

message: Additions and subtractions to this list welcome. -kotra (talk) 17:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid I don't understand what you are meaning: what do you want to remove? Clpda (talk) 21:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for not explaining. Nothing needs to be removed, I just moved the editorial comments you added to the article to here on the talk page, and converted it into a list. Comments for future editors (or yourself) should usually go on the talk page, not in the article itself. One reason for this is that articles should not look too much like a work-in-progress to readers, even though all articles are, to varying degrees. If you want to put comments in the article page for convenience or another reason, they should be invisible comments; see here for more info. But thanks for your help on this article, the library name standardization is helpful! -kotra (talk) 22:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for the explanation. I see your point and I agree, although, as a reader, I wouldn't mind a visible statement that an entry needs to be completed in order to match the expected standard of the whole page. I'll do a to-do-list tomorrow on this discussion page to replace my earlier comments, after reading the relevant help pages (I think there is a template for to-do-lists that I sould use). Clpda (talk) 22:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree. A to-do list would be good. -kotra (talk) 00:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To-do-list created (history entry of 09:51 - oops, forgot to mention it in the edit summary) Clpda (talk) 10:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. -kotra (talk) 13:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libraries needing native language names 

message: According to  Wikipedia:Naming_conventions, library names should be in English in their main entry and in their individual pages that are linked from this page. I started to apply this general policy using in priority the English name used by the library itself or, if not available, a direct translation (with one case pending - Brunei - because of the special/unclear status of the NL). I met 2 cases (done A-F only yet) where there would have been a double redirect, i.e. the page was under the original name and there was a redirect from the English name. In the first case (Austrian National Library), I just put a note on the discussion page and the swap was performed by someone else within 24h. In the second case, the Bibliothèque nationale de France, I felt it could be more controversial and put the proposal for change on Wikipedia:Move_requests. Comments, by the way given by non-French people only (so, no chauvinism involved), were against that move. They basically all said that the English name was inappropriate or even ridiculous. As a French speaker myself, I cannot appreciate the 'penetration' of the BnF's own name. On the other hand, its website does not, as far as I could see, display a name in English. In addition, I must admit that labelling the British Library on the French Wikipedia as 'Bibliothèque britannique' would sound quite daft, so I quite understand the points raised. I'm now stuck with my homogeneization idea because if France gets its library name in its original language, why not the others? Clpda (talk) 00:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the BNF is the BNF, but I can think of examples where the English is more common (Laurentian Library) and examples where both are common (Vatican Library or Bibliotheca Apostolica). I think this might have to be done library by library... Adam Bishop (talk) 00:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It really should be done library by library. One point of having a category is that it groups things without needing homogenization. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:06, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no across-the-board standardisation in the "real world", so there is no warrant for imposing one here in "Wikiland". (In short, I concur with Adam and PMA.) Srnec (talk) 04:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

text: My first instinct is to go by the English name first for all, just because it appeals to my sense of tidiness to standardize all the names, but it does make more sense to use whatever is more common in English, on a case-by-case basis. This is supported by Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Use_English_words. But since it's probably impractical to investigate every single non-English library to determine the most common name in English, I would go with the English version by default for most of them unless one has doubts or other editors object to it. -kotra (talk) 07:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your input. I cancelled my move request and shall revert the BnF entry to its original name. The proposal section above and the to-do-list will be updated accordingly. Clpda (talk) 08:01, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: English vs. original name

message: If I am correct there is a NL in the US called the National Library of Education (see site), which is famous for ERIC (Education Resources Information Center). The wikipedia article on ERIC ignores this and claims it is run by the Institute of Education Sciences. Are we missing an important US national library? DGtal (talk) 08:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Important may be too strong a word but I think it is worth adding it. Its site claims to be a repository, a keyword for the patrimonial function that characterizes - among other roles - a national library. As for IES vs. NLE, the site shows that NLE is part of IES, so the WP article on ERIC just referred to the encompassing body. Clpda (talk) 08:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[National Library of Education]] 

message: The work done on this list has been welcomed by IFLA (both from the National Libraries Section and Headquarters). In my view, after the research I've done, the list can be considered complete with the following (non-essential) exceptions:
*Many names in original language(s) and script(s), as complements to the main entries in English, are still missing. In many cases, especially in the Arabic script, original names on the relevant websites are calligraphied in a cartouche (i.e. with intertwined letters) loaded as an image, preventing a copy-and-paste and, with my minimal knowledge of the script, a transcription in ordinary characters. I've sent various messages (within WP and per e-mail) to get help. This will progressively improve, with the help of the libraries concerned too. For the English version of Wikipedia, this shortcoming can be considered as minor.
*National specialized libraries, e.g. 'National Library of Agriculture' have not been systematically researched, especially when there was an 'ordinary' national library. This will also progressively improve with time and this shortcoming can be considered as minor too.
*There is a possibility that dependant territories have a library fulfilling the role of a national library but having not declared it or having no visibility at all on the Internet. This will be certainly corrected in the future, probably in a serendipitious way.
IFLA will consider this list as a reference and promote it as such. Its own (outdated and less complete) list may remain for libraries having neither an individual page nor a website. 
About 95% of the national libraries listed here have been (or are going to be soon - there are two rounds planned) personally informed of the existence of the list by IFLA and requested to check it, provide data where needed, and create or complete their individual page, including the Infobox Library. Among other advice, their attention has been / will be specifically drawn to WP:NPOV and WP:COI. 
The results will show in a few weeks or months. The editors' scrutiny, welcome all the time of course, is definitely requested for the months to come!
Given this evolution, I think this article is a reasonable candidate for moving from grade B to grade GA within the WikiProject Education. Clpda (talk) 16:54, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  IFLA's feedback and status on 2008-09-08 

message: In 1927 a number of research libraries in Denmark organized a voluntary division of labour on acquisition of foreign books. This arrangement, termed subject-division, means that many Danish research libraries undertook special obligations as main subject libraries. They made their collections of foreign literature available to users in the whole country and played a role as documentation and information centres (reference: Jørgen Svane-Mikkelsen: The library system in Denmark , Copenhagen 1997). Some of these libraries carried / or still carries the title "national" in their names (National Library of Education, National Library of Agriculture, National Library for Science and Medicine); even they were de facto not national libraries. In the it-age, this system is fading out.
 
The National Library in Denmark is Det Kongelige Bibliotek, Royal Danish Library in cooperation and division of labour with the State and University Library. These two libraries cooperate about legal deposit and national library obligations. The obligation as national library is stated in the Annual State Budget and (for example) in the official library statistics, published by Danish National Library Authority, reference: 
Billelar (talk) 15 January 2009  —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the additional information you provided, I think that the removal from the list of the so-called "national" libraries in Denmark is justified. I won't revert it again, please go ahead. Clpda (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  National library in Denmark 

message: User:Muzi added state libraries to the Australian entry. I question their national library status. Do they collect all material from their state on a systematic basis and with a legal mandate to do so? do they receive copyright copies on similar grounds? If not, I think that these secondary entries should be removed, since this list is not intended to libraries not matching the definition of a national library. Clpda (talk) 22:39, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: State Library of South Australia was already there ...so add add other state library.... i donno about they status ...so i removed it..accept for State Library of South Australia. (Muzi (talk) 16:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you're right, SLSA was there long before I got interested in this list and I must admit that I didn't check the appropriateness of its presence. I'll check now whether it should be removed as well. Clpda (talk) 21:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Quote from an Australian library official: "None of the state libraries have national library status. The State Library of South Australia has no special status. I think they should all be removed from the directory of national libraries." I acted accordingly. Clpda (talk) 00:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian State libraries 

message: Is Boris Yeltsin Presidential Library really a national deposit library?  If not, it should be removed from the list. --Rakerman (talk) 19:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the english version of the official site "Boris Yeltsin Presidential Library is one of three national libraries of the Russian Federation" and "On 28 October 2008, the President of Russia Dmitri Medvedev signed the law On introducing changes to clause 18 of the Federal Law “On library science”, that gave the Presidential library the status of the national library." (About the library). Assuming these claimed facts are true, we should consider it a new NL. I haven't seen yet and claim that this is a deposit library, but this is not a absolute requiremnt in defining a library as a NL, especialy in this case, where we deal with a purely Digital library. DGtal (talk) 07:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
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