Talk:Cabinet (government)

message: In school they taught us that the name cabinet came from an early US president that had his advisors meet him in a pantry or some-such place, and they were called his "kitchen cabinet." Any truth to this, and if so, should it be mentioned? Jafafa Hots 06:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't the origin of "Cabinet," rather the existing term was borrowed to make the "kitchen cabinet" pun that describes unnofficial presidential advisors. see: Kitchen Cabinet. Ddye 21:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

text: This story is tosh. The term originated as "cabinet counsel" in 1600s England, long before the US existed as a country, and referred to advice tendered to the Monarch (King or Queen of England) in private. The term "cabinet" here means a small room, an image which lends itself well to the concept of private advice (see Cabinet of the United Kingdom). When the US gained its independence, it borrowed heavily from both the British and French systems in establishing its politics and terminology. This is yet another example of US-centric revisionism, where all-American stories are substituted for the truth in order to bolster national pride. SteveMcQwark (talk) 04:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of term 

message: Surely perogative powers do not extend to modification of statutes? Parliament is supreme... ( under section 'cabinet of UK' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.12.254.126 (talk) 12:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modification/abolition of 'constitutional law' 

message: "The Westminster cabinet system is the foundation of cabinets as they are known at the federal and state (or provincial) levels of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Republic of Ireland, India and other Commonwealth of Nations countries whose parliamentary model was closely based on that of the United Kingdom." Ireland is not in the cmmonwealth and it is quite offensive to suggest that we are, removing the reference.plokt 15:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Offensive

message: The references to the United Kingdom are inaccurate.  Cabinet members are mostly called Secretaries of State, not secretaries, and more importantly the cabinet minister is not considered the "chief civil servant" in that department - in the UK system, ministers are regarded as seperate to the permanent civil servants.saxmund  —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Overview

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replies: text: Interesting🤔 129.232.65.219 (talk) 16:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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message: I came here after a list of the current UK cabinet. The article could do with a link to various country cabinet lists, or to a list of lists article - David Gerard (talk) 15:19, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of cabinets? No

message: The general part of the article seems overly US centric, which is inappropriate in a Wikipedia article about Cabinets in general. Either US specific examples should be removed, or a broader range of countries should be drawn on. Also, some of the information in the article is US specific, but not stated as such.
SteveMcQwark (talk) 04:25, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  US centric 

message: This paragraph:
does not accurately reflect the powers of a prime minister. The relative strength of a Prime minister is directly reflected by the strength in their their party and their party in relation to the other parties in Parliament. For example Tony Blair could not have sacked Gordon Brown even if he had wanted to (and he probably wanted to). The current Tory leader has no choice over the inclusion of Lib-Dems. The paragraph needs to be re-written, explaining that the the control that a prime minister has depends on external political factors as much as their control of constitutional leavers of power and it often waxes and wanes over the life of a government. -- PBS (talk) 07:17, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Westminster cabinets

message: ::Charles I began a formal "Cabinet Council" from his accession in 1625, as his Privy Council, or "private council", was evidently not private enough[citation needed], and the first recorded use of "cabinet" by itself for such a body comes from 1644, and is again hostile and associates the term with dubious foreign practices.[2] The process has repeated itself in recent times, as leaders have felt the need to have a Kitchen Cabinet or "sofa government"[original research?].
I didn't write this paragraph, but I do know what the last three words are referring to. In short, "sofa government" is the modern British English variant of the term "kitchen cabinet", especially applied to Tony Blair.
It was a criticism levied against the Blair government during the third term: the Conservatives and popular media were accusing the government's policy of being formulated a "presidential" manner, with those on the PM's sofa holding undemocratic influence. This was definitely a part of British political discourse during the Blair years. Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6497751.stm
Blair's "sofa government" was directly comparable to Jackson's "kitchen cabinet" and the first monarchical cabinets, so the point the paragraph makes is correct. I will replace the Original Research tag with the above BBC News link.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShadowOfMars (talk • contribs) 21:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sofa government"