Template talk:Lost (TV series)/Archive 02

message: :I centered stuff and would like to know if anyone likes that.  PLease comment here before you revert anything you dont like.  --  Wikipedical 23:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedical, I am sorry I revereted it before looking at this post, I thought at this design it looks nicer not-centered --mo-- (Talk | #info |  ) 07:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like other people to take a look at it being centered, I think it looks a little funny that everything is toppled over to the left.  --  Wikipedical 16:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth, I like it better centered. -- PKtm 18:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: *In contrast, I find the centering to be amateurish and difficult to read. For the sake of useability, please left-justify. See Use Centered Text Sparingly: "There are simply fewer situations where centered text is appropriate. When in doubt, don't center it...Save centering for invitations, greeting cards, and certificates."--LeflymanTalk 00:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Centering

message: I just reverted the addition of an "Edit" link on the template, because I think it is a very very bad idea.  Yes, this is a Wiki and anyone can and should be able to edit it. Yet there's also a thrust towards quality.  We have very real goals and high standards for the results, meaning that being a Wiki doesn't also equate to "anything goes, add anything you like."  Especially with this core template, that appears on every Lost-related page (of which there are now many dozens), and considering the immense popularity of Lost and that we get a ton of new and/or very casual/inexperienced visitors, I feel we really don't need or want the template edited frequently. So let's not invite that to happen. -- PKtm 10:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the add of the edit button today I didn't notice this discussion! -- UKPhoenix79 06:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inserting an ''Edit'' link on the current template 

message: Why are we including his full name? Everyone else on the list has a single name, whichever is most commonly used. I thaink we should leave this as "Henry" for consistency. Radagast 21:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Henry Gale" 

message: There's no way that Desmond and Henry should be on and not Rose and Bernard.  Am I missing something?  Can someone please tell me why the template should include only those two, and not all four of these characters?  I understand that Henry will be a series regular next season, but what it the source that states that Desmond will be too?  Anyone have a link?
:Agreed. At this point, any character who has their own article should be listed here. As Rose, Bernard and Desmond have had flashbacks, they automatically apply; Libby was a main character and appeared in 3 other peoples' flashbacks; and Henry is clearly a central figure in a group we've been seeing more and more of, and we know we will into next season giving the closing events. Radagast 21:46, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I could support adding Desmond because of the pivotal role he has played in the story.  But Rose and Bernard, I don't think so because their stories are yet to be relevant in the grand scheme of things.  They're still secondary characters. Jtrost (T | C | #) 23:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Henry will be a regular next season "Next season will be about the Others, as led by the oblique Henry Gale (played by Michael Emerson, who will join the regular cast). Mr. Cuse listed what viewers will learn about the Others by this time next year: "Who are these people? How many of them are there? What is their history? What are they trying to accomplish?" Source: New York Times" who some people SPECULATE is really "Alexander Widmore" --mo-- (Talk | #info |  ) 00:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, I do not think is fair that Desmond is on but not Rose and Bernard.  Henry Gale - I accept that he is in the main cast next season. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.217.225 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 28 May 2006 154.20.217.225
Rose and Bernard had one episode of focus, and have barely appeared since. They're not listed as main cast members. To me, that means they shouldn't be in the template, which should have links only to those "vital few" links, from which people can drill down into more secondary matter. -- PKtm 02:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I just think it makes sense to include anyone who has their own page... Sarge Baldy 04:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secondary Characters (Bernard, Rose, Desmond, Henry) 

message: I do not think what I'm about to say is rushed.  Our new template discussion has reached two weeks.  So guys, what objections do people still have (if any) on the Temp4?  If we don't have any major disputes, is it safe to say we have reached consensus and can apply the new template into use?  --  Wikipedical 17:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I second the motion to change the template to Temp4.- JustPhil 15:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I concur, we should apply the temp4 template already. ArgentiumOutlaw 16:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been a few days with little to no discussion so I'm presuming there aren't major issues left.  I've updated the template to the new edition, and have made Template:LostNav/orig the home of the old template.  --  Wikipedical 23:29, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is the Portal:LOST not added? -- UKPhoenix79 06:40, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I for one have gone on record for not being able to support it. I don't see the need or the value.  It's an interesting exercise, but has seen very few contributors.  I don't think it merits placement on the template. -- PKtm 21:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus on new template 

message: I personally like the new template, but the colours for the links on the left should be different.  They are currently black, and it isn't apparent that they are 'clickable'.  Perhaps the colour should be changed?  SergeantBolt 17:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link colours 

message: hey there, lots of people complained when some one deleted the List of Lost Airdates with out informing all with the facts, so I said it's better to do this to get every one's thoughts --mo-- (Talk | #info |  ) 23:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please gauge a consensus before adding this to the template.  I would prefer that afd status stay off of the template.  The purpose of the template is to provide an organized navigation for Lost articles, not to keep authors informed of the status of an article. That is what a watchlist is for. Jtrost (T | C | #) 23:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry about that,, it looks that some one made it really crowded :S,,, well anyways I made it small,,, just a small (AfD) sign,, hope it's ok --mo-- (Talk | #info |  ) 23:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If other authors think that this needs to be included, then by all means include it.  But let's wait for more people to weigh their opinions first. Jtrost (T | C | #) 23:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: hmm,, ok but remmember when some one deleted the List of Lost airdates and people started bitchin' lol,, remmember we are on the same side hehe,, well anyways,, I have to be honest with you I don't think all people have all pages in the watch list! so they might have no idea about it and they may have a strong opinion about this,, for the time being I really think we should warn people about this, I don't think a little (AfD) sign will take alot of space. --mo-- (Talk | #info |  ) 23:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm totally opposed to the (Afd) annotation.  If articles get deleted through the AfD process, then we can/should remove them from the template at that time.  If that indeed happens, it will, at least, prove what I see as undeniable: the template has links to less than vital stuff in it. -- PKtm 00:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: *My view is that a notice about ongoing AfDs doesn't belong in the navigation template. Such a notice would be more appropriate for a Wikiproject page, but since we don't have such a thing (hint-hint) it could be incorporated into the main Lost talk page-- which needs to be cleaned up and made more useful, anyway. (Like, by adding a To-Do list, f'r example) --LeflymanTalk 06:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  added Listed for Deletion warning 

message: Rousseau needs to be on the secondary characters part. She's just as important as Rose or Bernard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SilvaStorm  (talk • contribs) July 22, 2006
:I have reverted this edit until a consensus is reached.  I am currently opposed to it.  You need a better reason than your opinion of she needs to be there. Jtrost (T | C | #) 12:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rousseau 

message: Looking at this , it states there will be a new character, okay.  But where it lists the main characters of the series, they include Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond.  I'm ready to put Desmond on the main characters part of this template, comment?  --  Wikipedical 21:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true also for Henry Gale.  I have moved both.  SergeantBolt 20:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A press release that lists the actors of Lost doesn't necessarily equate to who's a main character and who's a secondary character.  SergeantBolt, I feel that you've jumped the gun, so I'm reverting this.  Let's please discuss here further first. It's very unclear to me that Desmond or Henry will be in just a few episodes next season, or lots of episodes.  -- PKtm 22:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *And part of the problem with using the press releases as the basis is that each release only has who the "current" cast list is; by that token, we'd need to remove Boone, Shannon, Ana-Lucia, Libby, Michael and Walt, as none of them are listed in that release as cast members.--LeflymanTalk 23:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's wait and see how many more main characters are introduced as the series continues.  If the number keeps on growing I would support removing some of the now deceased main characters that didn't play a large part in the overall series.  But let's cross that bridge when we come to it.  As for adding Henry and Desmond in the main character section, while it has been announced they will be main characters, they're yet to appear as main characters, so in the Lost timeline they're still secondary characters. Jtrost (T | C | #) 23:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me.  --  Wikipedical 02:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the analogy that they have not appeared as main characters yet, therefore I will not make a change, but I do not believe that we should remove Boone, Shannon, Ana-Lucia, Libby, Michael and Walt because they are not in the cast list - because of the reason that they were once main characters.  It is quite clear that Henry Ian Cusick and Michael Emerson will be main cast members because they are in the main characters section of the cast list, and if they were guest stars, they would be in that particular section, but until the show airs - we'll see.  SergeantBolt 13:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Desmond as Main Character 

message: Should both be added, as pages have recently been created for each.  Also, how about Oceanic Flight 815.  That's an older article, but why is it not in the navbox?  --154.20.169.78 23:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that either of those articles are important enough to be included in the template.  As for Flight 815, we're already linking to Oceanic Airlines.  Another link to an Oceanic article would seem redundant.  However, I would not be opposed to replacing Oceanic Airlines with Flight 815 in this template. Jtrost (T | C | #) 11:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

text: While the crossovers article isn't the best it could be at this point, I think the 'References' page is pretty well cited and could definately put onto the template.  --  Wikipedical 14:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crossovers and References in Pop Culture 

message: In this interview, http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17472231&method=full&siteid=64736&headline=scots-star-happy-to-get-lost-for-a-year--name_page.html Henry Ian Cusick confirmed he will be a regular for at least a year on Lost.  Therefore, this official confirmation means I can now move him to the Main Character's section.  SergeantBolt 19:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry Ian Cusick confirmed to be a regular 

message: If anyone can find a reason to change it back to Ana-Lucía, comment here.  --  Wikipedical 22:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ana-Lucia spelling 

message: Two minor edits and a suggestion.
The quotation marks around "Henry Gale" should be removed, as it's his nickname (just as we have Hurley, Sawyer, Walt, and Kate listed without quotes). Official ABC press releases have said "Michael Emerson as Henry Gale," and I feel we should be consistent to the official source.
Next, Eko. I personally feel it should be "Mr. Eko," as that's his full nickname. Again, press releases have it listed as "Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje as Mr. Eko," so we should do the same. I changed it, but obviously feel free to change it back.
And finally.. it's been a longtime question and issue of moving Desmond and Henry Gale to "primary," so I point you again to the press release. It's official, and it's not a spoiler. It's not predicting the future. They have been added to season 3's main cast, and because we have pages on them, we should move them to primary characters. Juliet, Nikki, and the other character are different because we know nothing about them. For the meantime however, I think we can move Desmond and Henry Gale. I've left them where they are for now.
Thoughts?
Jwebby91 01:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Character Spellings

message: I know this has been discussed before, but I'd like to try to organize the discussion to this section. There seems to be some disagreement concerning whether to place Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje's characer under "Eko" or "Mr. Eko" 
According to ABC's official site, his name is Mr. Eko, and therefore his name belongs after Michael's in the list. I undertand Wikipedical's argument that you wouldn't normally sort names by titles (i.e. Jack should not  be filed after Claire, simply due to being named "Dr. Jack Shepard".); however, Mr. Eko is an execption, as "Mister" is part of his name and not just a title. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 21:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After some thought, I have agreed with this reasoning and haven't reverted since.  Mr. Eko should be after Michael.  --  Wikipedical 23:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mister" Eko 

message: In popular culture, thematic motifs, mythology: these articles have been created and should be a part of the template.  Other editors have included them, I took a stab at adding them and a new section 'elements.'  Let's discuss this, but I think we can say they belong on the template, yeah?  --  Wikipedical 01:50, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just another note because we are discussing adding new Lost pages to the template, I do not think the 'Crossovers' article should be on the template, for reasons Jtrost has stated in an above section on this talk page.  --  Wikipedical 01:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture, thematic motifs, mythology