Talk:Ilaiyaraaja

message: Apparently, Ilaiyaraaja featured in the front cover of the Tamil edition of India Today (see here). This 3rd August 2005 issue contains an interview with the composer. Has anyone read it? I presume it is published in the Tamil language. I don't read the Tamil language, and so the article would not be accessible to me. I would however appreciate it if someone has read the article and could perhaps provide me with some details of its content. Thanks. AppleJuggler 03:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Talk Box (for comments)

message: I've cut and paste here some of the comments received from various peer review requests. More may be forthcoming so keep checking via the links provided, as I can't keep cutting and pasting new comments here all the time. But for the time being, here are some constructive comments provided so far. Hope it helps you, dear Wikipedia visitor/editor/improver, to brush up this article. AppleJuggler 04:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: FROM: peer review
Nice article and well-citated. Some remarks:
*You could add one more paragraph in the lead. Have you checked WP:LEAD? Yes I've checked WP:LEAD. The single-paragraph lead for this article appears adequate, unless someone else thinks otherwise.
 Done. AppleJuggler 02:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

text: FROM: peer review
*Please see automated peer review suggestions here. Ruhrfisch 03:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: FROM: talk page
*The lead needs improvement. (I've improved it, but if you think it can be made even better, please leave a note here on the Discussion page and we'll discuss about it AppleJuggler 04:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

text: FROM: Good Article reviewer
If the article was peer-reviewed, some things people would likely say, is that his birth name should be mentioned in the lead section (AppleJuggler 05:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions for improvement from peer reviews

message: Quite frequently, the composer's name has been changed in the Wikipedia article alternatingly between the above two (or variants of these). I propose that a consensus be reached on an accepted spelling of the composer's name. According to the the supposedly official website (www.raaja.com), the spelling is "Ilaiyaraaja". I propose that this spelling be used for his name consistently, in this Wikipedia article and where it is mentioned elsewhere in Wikipedia. Unless an alternative and correct spelling of the name can be proposed (with evidence, of course, of its correctness), I believe it is safest to stick to the "Ilaiyaraaja" version. Would appreciate opinions and feedback on this. Thanks. AppleJuggler 05:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This arises from the simple fact that many people in (over) enthusiasm try to transliterate the English form into tamil and get a "new" name in the process. I will try to locate some old Casettes and check the name printed there. WE can then decide based on that. I think that (lookig at the cassette cover) will be a good idea instead of asking opinion from every one.  Doctor Bruno Talk 02:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dr. Bruno, you have a good point. An academic journal article I found (the one that is referenced in this Ilaiyaraja article) spells his name as "Ilaiyaraaja". This is also how it is spelt on the composer's official website, raaja.com. Would be interesting to see what some of your old cassette tapes would have it as. AppleJuggler 03:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From the official Ilaiyaraaja page, and various other sources (such as The Hindu newspaper and a peer-reviewed journal article), I have gathered that the correct spelling for Ilaiyaraaja's name is 'Ilaiyaraaja' and have hence redirected the page. Hope everyone's fine with that. AppleJuggler 10:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: {{done}} "Ilaiyaraaja" or "Ilayaraja"? -- Consensus Forum

message: We need a source for the statement that he was involved in an Italian music festival. Can someone find it please? If not, I propose we remove that statement. Cheers. AppleJuggler 05:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Managed to find a source for this statement. Hyperlinked it into article. AppleJuggler 11:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: {{done}} Ilaiyaraaja's concert in Italy

message: Page Ilayaraja moved to Ilayaraaja (correct spelling according to official website. See references) -- Ambarish 22:33, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: {{done}} Redirection and merging of page

message: I feel that the following words are biased "He has no knowledge of music but tried to get into the industry. He is absolutely overconfident of all and blushes aside all others. He is not a fit music Director"
They should be removed Doctor Bruno 14:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. AppleJuggler 05:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: {{done}} Biased Statement

message: Would be good if an infobox could be inserted. AppleJuggler 06:38, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. But the photo's resolution has gone out of whack. Could someone help rectify, or obtain a different photograph that would behave? AppleJuggler 09:24, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: {{done}} Infobox

message: I've created a reference section. I cited Greene (2001), who mentioned the following: "Some film music directors, like Ilaiyaraaja, incorporate the melodies and instruments of village folk music...". This helps substantiate the statement made in this Wiki about Ilaiyaraja's usage of Indian folk elements in popular film music. I urge editors to obtain and cite credible references where and when possible. Thanks. AppleJuggler 08:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. AppleJuggler 23:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: {{done}} Reference section

message: Too long. Will need to trim down on the number of film music albums listed. AppleJuggler 10:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done AppleJuggler 02:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: {{done}} Discography section

message: I think that the article passes all the necessary criterias for a Good Article. It is well-written, structured, has an image, and well referenced. I understand that the image might be deleted, but what's there to do about it? I understand the difficulty in acquiring a free licensed image of Ilaiyaraaja, and use fair use have become far more restrictive according to the new criterias.
You may however use a fair use image if you write about a previous pediod of, for example if you want to illustrate how he looked in the 1970s.
If the article was peer-reviewed, some things people would likely say, is that his birth name should be mentioned in the lead section, that the external links should be cleaned up, that it would be nice with a CD- or bookcover of his work, and that it should be expanded.
Fred-Chess 08:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA promoted 

message: Would a link to IMDB do? This link  links to all national film awards listed by year. So, I guess all of the awards that have been credited to Ilaiyaraaja are verifiable. (Apparently, the official website for these awards is down.) --Madhu 12:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that, Madhu. AppleJuggler 06:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: {{done}} To Do #9 

message: Apologies for the shouty edit summary, but really, that many fair use sound clips is way out of line, especially when none of them were linked to any sort of commentary in the text and none of them had fair use rationales, as is required. One or two fair use clips should be more than sufficient. Moreschi  Talk 09:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Non-free content]] 

message: May I ask why the Kannada Discography Table was removed ? Was every table added (say Malayalam) after detailed discussion? Ilaiyaraja has compose music and background score for 26 kannada movies and most of them are sensational musical hits. Further, IR has assisted GK Venkatesh in over 200 films (over 100 of them in kannada). I will very shortly add further reference if needed from IR's biography written in kannada based on a detailed interview with him by Lyricist K.Kalyan. 
Further, about the sentence directly used from the article, but those were the words of IR himself. Would it be appropriate if that sentence were in quotes with the text IR says.
(forgot to sign, guess i took a long wikibreak :-)) -Hamsavanidasa 03:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Strongly disagree with some of the comments by AppleJuggler (on my talk page -> Talk) about the removal of Kannada Discography table. Ilaiyaraja has composed music for 26 movies and the count is more than his albums for Malayalam movies. Further, most of IR's contribution to Kannada film music during the early 80s, which many regard as the peak of his career, is significantly higher than his works in Malayalam. All his albums in Kannada were chartbusters, and he has re-used several of the tunes that he composed during that timeframe later in Tamil,Telugu and very recently in Hindi for "Cheeni Kum". I second user KNM's move to re-insert the Kannada Discography table. If the need to include certain discographies and exclude certain others has been discussed in the past, please provide links to the same, and also, there is no reason why this discussion can be continued now.\Thanks -Hamsavanidasa 09:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with some of the comments by AppleJuggler (on my talk page -> Talk) about mentioning the significance of the guitar music in GKV's works in the article on G.K.Venkatesh. But I do think Ilaiayaraja's role as Guitarist deserves a mention of more than a sentence on IR's talk page, given that this was his "first" exposure in composing for films. -Hamsavanidasa 09:05, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Deletion of Kannada Discography Table]] 

message: Ilayaraja's role as Guitarist under GK Venkatesh, deserves to be mentioned. OK, my bad, that I copy/pasted the line from the screen article. Applejuggler, Please comment on including a brief subsection in this article on Ilayaraja's contibution as Guitarist for Ilayaraja. The reason why I say this is, between 1969 to 1974, saw a highly significant increase in the usage of Guitar in GKV's kannada films, beginning from the spy theme for one of Dr.Rajkumar's Bond series movies - Goadalli CID 999. Later the combination of L Vaidyanathan and Ilayaraja assisted GKVenkatesh for almost an entire decade, and as IR himself mentioned even after his debut in Annakkili. I think this role of IR as guitarist would look good in this encycolpaedic article, references can be provided from the biography that I mention above. -Hamsavanidasa 03:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with some of the comments by AppleJuggler (on my talk page -> Talk) about mentioning the significance of the guitar music in GKV's works in the article on G.K.Venkatesh. But I do think Ilaiayaraja's role as Guitarist deserves a mention of more than a sentence on IR's talk page, given that this was his "first" exposure in composing for films. -Hamsavanidasa 09:05, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Significance of mentioning Guitarist Ilayaraja]] 

message: Recently he composed background music for hindi movie "Chinni kum hai"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.22.87 (talk) 18:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hindi 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Ilaiyaraja - Thiruvasakam.jpg

message: I propose that we limit the entry for Tamil albums in the discography section to 16 albums, and for all other languages to 10. This is more in proportion with Ilaiyaraaja's work in the various languages. This discography is a partial discography and so we should not overload it with too many entries; just the essential or landmark albums should be included. Sometimes, repetitions are included: the soundtrack to a film that is translated in different languages are included again under a different language heading (e.g., Ajantha, 2007). This is superfluous and unnecessary. AppleJuggler 04:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reducing the size of the partial discography section 

message: :Image:Ilaiyaraaja.jpg states has a incorrect licence. It is a derived version of a copyrighted TV program. It will not come under fair use either. Consider removing it. --Terrance (talk) 02:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:Ilaiyaraaja.jpg]] 

message: There seems to be no mention of his Dalit (untouchable) caste status, surely this should be in the article somewhere.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zohab (talk • contribs) 13:00, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caste 

message: Geocities pages are self-published sources, so unless they can clearly be tied to an expert in the field, they have dubious reliability. Commercial pages should also be avoided; the one amazon.com page used here is unnecessary and can be removed. Gimmetrow 05:56, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Point noted. AppleJuggler (talk) 06:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Many of the Citations in musical style just point to examples. They are not references. Either (a) citation should be removed or (b) real citations from articles be provided or (c) add those examples in the main text.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.94.94.105 (talk) 22:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: "and the first Asian Composer to score a Symphony" ?
is he the first asian ? can someone validate that claim, because asia includes russia.
also what happened to ilaiyaraaja's symphony no. 1 played by the royal philharmonic orchestra, recorded in 1998 i think. why hasn't it been released?  Ro.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.131.138 (talk) 11:14, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that this claim seems very exaggerated. I'm going to remove it until someone provides a source. Cribananda (talk) 17:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I read the myspace page you had linked, and all it says is "The only Asian to have composed a symphony for RPO is Ilayaraja (an eminent Indian composer)." Is that what you are referring to? But that is very different from claiming that he was the first to score a symphony! Cribananda (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WRONG INFORMATION REMOVED: First ASIAN to compose a FULL LENGTH symphony??? What about JAPANESE SYMPHONY composer KOSAKU YAMADA who composed 3 symphonies by 1965? What about Chinese composer CHen Yi? What about Japanese symphony composer Saburo Moroi who died in 1977? What about Hashimoto who died in 1949?49.207.196.88 (talk) 14:15, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symphony 

message: :: Try to understand. All are reliable and acceptable and do you think those websites have no other job/role to play other than explaining about illayaraaja. Think man and be broad-minded. Try to respect others intention. I am very patiently replying you with courtesy for your position in wiki where I am really not impressed on you. Review others interest and what they try to say. Take your time and research. See this link, 
    http://www.famouslikeme.com/Composer/I/list.html
    http://www.famouslikeme.com/46750/article.html
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/us/features/topten/
    http://movies.ndtv.com/movie_story.aspx?id=ENTEN20100153629&keyword=music§ion=Movies&subcatg=MUSICINDIA
    http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Illayaraja-173870-1.html
    ----- all these are most trusted and accepted ones.
  
:: Again you are breaking the articles good content and disturbing its issues. I have no idea where you are from. Since you are not aware of him, its better give some respect for which others including me trying to explain you. He is master and a great composer India has ever produced.
:: Do not break further more than this. What I did not understand is: editors like me can edit more fastly but you reviewer/rollbackers why are you in a hurry to do actions. Take time and consider and review what others claim. Do not be aggressive here.
:: This article is very very very important one and look at it at this importance. Please try to understand me. I am not here to fight and I am here to explain you.
--Ungal Vettu Pillai 07:33, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illayraaja considered one of India's finest composer 

message: I removed all the external links which had playlist of Ilayaraja's songs.  A close look at these website shows, they are Warez sites which have published all copy righted music files without taking any approval/concent from any copyright owner.  If you think, any one site has a full legal rights to publish these files please discuss it here and place a link in the article.BrownyCat (talk) 02:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ya, almost all the sites mentioned there were like that only. A few months back, I removed a lot of links, most of which were blogs. --Commander (Ping Me) 03:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: I have redone the state name as 'Tamil Nadu' as historic names if used in today's time, then it will create confusion.  If one should go by historic name then it should be Pandian Naadu etc.,BrownyCat (talk) 18:20, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The name of the state was Madras Presidency when he was born. This is our convention, Tamil Nadu did not even exist at that time, please do not change to anachronistic titles. —SpacemanSpiff 18:22, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

text: If he was born in 13th century, use "pandia nadu" by all means. Our convention is use the official territory name, during the year of birth. Hence Madras presidency is used here.--Sodabottle (talk) 18:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  State name regarding 

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message: I have heard that Illayaraja is often considered as The Wikipedia of Music by several people for his amazing musical songs and composition. But I couldn't find any sources to prove this statement. Abishe (talk) 03:08, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  A best phrase to describe musical legend Illayaraja  

message: I have made quite a few changes to the introduction. This might upset some people, so I would like to explain my rational. 
Illyaraja is clearly a very successful film composer. It seems overzealous fans have included every possible achievement in the introduction to make this point. Rather the introduction should be kept simple, dignified and clean, with listing just his most important achievements and awards. A separate section could be created to list awards, and positions in various online polls. 
There is in the text of the article a lot of emphasis placed a a symphony he may have composed. Firstly there is no record of such a symphony I can find. No reviews of it from the time, no audio recordings, no mention of it from music scholars. Nothing but some blog posts by fans and this wikiepdia article and other articles that use this wikipedia as a source, and one rather dubious article from the Hindu. So I have two points. One his symphony, if it exists, doesn't seem like it was a success. Second there is no evidence such a symphony was ever performed. Either-way, it doesn't merit mentioning in the introduction. Illyaraja is a very popular film musician, that itself is merit-worthy and enough. Having composed symphony of which there is no historical record does not add anything to his achievements.   Voobootty (talk) 04:01, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  A clean introduction  

message: WRONG INFORMATION REMOVED: First ASIAN to compose a FULL LENGTH symphony??? What about JAPANESE SYMPHONY composer Kosaku Yamada who composed 3 symphonies by 1965? What about Chinese composer CHen Yi? What about Japanese symphony composer Saburō Moroi who died in 1977? What about yet another Japanese composer Kunihiko Hashimoto who died in 1949? What about another Japanese composer Hisato Ōsawa who died in 1953 and composed 3 symphonies before his death? What about Japanese composer  Ikuma Dan who composed SIX full-length symphonies before he died in 2001? What about Japanese composer Toshiro Mayuzumi who composed 2 symphonies before 1960?? What about Japanese composer Toshi Ichiyanagi's SIX symphonies? What about JAPANESE composer Shin'ichirō Ikebe's SEVEN symphonies?
:About time! Thank you.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 06:47, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: To add to this, Nagauta Symphony, composed in 1934 by Kosaku Yamada.  This really gets to that this is an WP:EXCEPTIONAL claim which needs exceptional, or at least really good, sources.  Ravensfire (talk) 21:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Isang Yun#Works as well (first was 1982/83).  Probably starting to belabor the point. Ravensfire (talk) 21:29, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  WRONG INFORMATION: "First Asian to compose a full-length synphony" 

message: How did he do 20000 concerts? Seems very wrong. That means 54 years of daily concerts. Can someone remove this or fix this with source.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.124.7 (talk) 01:12, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: This is to clear up confusion for those who keep changing the date of birth here. Official date of birth of Ilaiyaraaja is June 3. As the birth dates of both Ilaiyaraaja and Karunanidhi fall on the same date i.e June 3, Ilaiyaraaja started celebrating it on June 2, so that people of Tamil Nadu can celebrate only that of Karunanidhi on June 3. This was done in honour of Karunanidhi who gave the title 
"Isaignani" to Ilaiyaraaja. Rim sim (talk) 05:05, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official date of birth  

message: Except for that SPB royalties controversy, this doesn't dwell on his lifelong copyright battles including the most recent ones. As an ordinary man who doesn't get enough time to edit I can't add the info, someone please do it. Kailash29792 (talk)  16:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright battles