Talk:Scott Rasmussen

message: The article reads like it's in first person and has personal tidbits. Did he write it himself?
Given that any information that casts Scott in a bad light is rapidly removed, I'm guessing this is his own .
"This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous. If such material is repeatedly inserted or if there are other concerns relative to this policy, report it on the living persons biographies noticeboard."
Perhaps it's not an issue of poor light, but rather an issue of poor sourcing? Wikipedia is a website designed for information gathering. It is not designed for you, or anyone else, to spread their views. 'First Person Account' Is not a suitable source. Many other first person accounts dispute your 'facts'.Lepre 19:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled old thread

message: Where it is claimed that Rasmussen was one of the most accurate polling firms in 2000 and 2004, what is the source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.32.225 (talk) 12:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: * Source (2000) CorpITGuy (talk) 17:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clear Bias 

message: The ministry's attitude towards gays MIGHT warrant a one sentence mention with a source. Instead, it takes half of this entry. I believe this to be messy and in clear violation of NPOV. Agree? Disagree? CorpITGuy (talk) 15:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ministry attitude toward gays 

message: I have edited the religious activities section. I'm not sure whether the Camp Meeting's performance is relative to his notoriety, but if we're going to include it, we might as well make it a complete and NPOV summary of his leadership.Nurambar (talk) 17:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that it was a bit of a coatrack before, athough secondary sources would be better to cite than the OGCMA, a primary source.  JGHowes   talk 18:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious Activities 

message: I've removed this from the middle of the ESPN section, as a) I don't see the relevance to that particular section, and b) I'm not sure it's notable anyway.
:Scott Rasmussen has said that “nothing in my professional career will ever equal the thrill” of serving as Master of Ceremonies for hockey great Gordie Howe’s 50th birthday celebration. Howe was Rasmussen’s childhood idol. http://scottrasmussen.net/About.php]
Rojomoke (talk) 09:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gordie Howe 

message: I have moved all of the information in the sub-headings "2000-2007" and "2008-2010" to the Rasmussen Reports company page. I believe it makes more sense for this information, which is specifically about polling done by Rasmussen Reports, to be housed on the Rasmussen Reports page rather than on Scott Rasmussen's personal page. It seems to be the pages have been treated interchangeably over time, but it would be smart to move to a system where company/polling specific information finds a home on the Rasmussen Reports page, and information pertaining to Scott Rasmussen the individual is placed on the Scott Rasmussen page. Thoughts on this? Unless there are objections, I will plan to remove the aforementioned sections from Scott Rasmussen's page in the next couple of days. Thanks. Safehaven86 (talk) 20:52, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: What goes here, vs. what goes there

message: Someone has recently added a tag that says "The neutrality of this section is disputed. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved" above the section in this article titled "public opinion polling." It would be helpful is that editor would discuss this issue on the talk page. I would like to try to improve this article, but I don't know specifically what this editor is objecting to. I have read Wikipedia:Tagging pages for problems and it says "When adding a tag, keep in mind that other people who might be interested in fixing the problem (or who might dispute the tag) might not immediately see the same problems you do. Even if the problem seems obvious, it's useful to leave a short note on the talk page describing the issue, and suggesting an approach to fixing it if you know how." Also, "Especially in the case of a tag such as , complaints left at a talkpage need to be actionable, so that editors can attempt to address them. It is not helpful to say simply "The article is biased." Tucsontammy (talk) 16:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent tag

message: This removed some material on the basis that the source is partisan. It turns out that partisan sources can be reliable, and that the issue has also come up in other reliable sources, like http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/31047.html and http://www.salon.com/2010/07/12/rasmussen_national_review/. MilesMoney (talk) 03:56, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, partisan sources can be helpful, especially when the info in them is corroborated by additional non-partisan sources. The MMA source looks like an attack piece. The Politico and Salon pieces don't have the same content as MMA's piece, and therefore don't corroborate it. Anyway, I added more info in this section to try to address recent controversy. Safehaven86 (talk) 05:06, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I think your changes are an improvement; the more sources, the better. However, I'm not sure why you added the POV tag. MilesMoney (talk) 05:23, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the tag because it looks like in recent days the paragraph at hand has been removed and re-added a number of times. Since there's an open discussion on the issue now, I added the tag as a placeholder until we've reached consensus on the talk page. Me (or someone else) can remove the tag when this discussion is closed, and the paragraph is no longer being added or removed every couple of days. With that, I welcome more comments, especially from anyone who has added/removed the paragraph about MMA in recent days. If we get it all on the table now, the content should be more stable in the future. Thanks. Safehaven86 (talk) 05:30, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What MMfA thinks about Rasmussen is hardly notable.  They lost any and all credibility when they stated that their purpose was to destroy Fox News.  Arzel (talk) 06:09, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you missed the fact that there are additional sources now. MilesMoney (talk) 06:48, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, did you really just remove this in violation of BRD?! MilesMoney (talk) 06:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

text: The Politico source I added does not corroborate the MMA claims, as I noted above. The Politico source verifies new material I added today. I've looked online and MMA's complaints about Rasmussen are not repeated elsewhere, as far as I can tell. So the question is, is the MMA source noteworthy/relevant enough to include? Safehaven86 (talk) 07:56, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The argument against including this is that MMfA is just some partisan news source. The counterargument is that a partisan news source from the other side gave it coverage: http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/tea-partyMad-as-HellRasmussenSchoen/2010/09/21/id/371008 MilesMoney (talk) 06:04, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

text: I think my edit comment is sufficient, but if Arzel would like additional explanation, they're free to request it here. MilesMoney (talk) 04:37, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I take it that you assert Politico has a pro-right wing bias of some sort?  In a BLP, the rule is to use the strongest reliable source, and I think Politico likely outweighs MMfA unless you can show it is particularly biased here.  Cheers. Collect (talk) 15:59, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Independent" 

message: In 2007, in his capacity as president of OGCMA, Rasmussen informed a local lesbian couple that they cannot hold a civil union ceremony on a boardwalk pavilion owned by OGCMA because "while the association allows its facilities to be used for both religious and secular activities, it would not permit them to be used for civil union ceremonies." A complaint was filed with the New Jersey Division of Civil Rights. It was concluded that OGCMA "discriminated against a lesbian couple by denying their application to hold a civil union ceremony at its boardwalk pavilion."
FYI, the text is verified. So editors must not claim it is OR. This text represents the cited sources.  QuackGuru (talk) 20:28, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Except the source doesn't say "Rasmussen denied the request".  All it says is that he "told the couple...", followed by the explanation.  That's OR, plain and simple. You're misstating what the NYT story actually says.  This has been explained to you multiple times, why can't you grasp it?  Your next argument is that Rasmussen must have "denied" the request, because we have sources showing he was in charge.  But that's SYNTH, and we can't do that either.  With no less than 12 editors opposed to this abuse of sources, the entire matter is a dead letter.  Continuing to push this failed argument is a WP:FILIBUSTER.  Roccodrift (talk) 20:35, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In plain English, if I tell you I won't let you use my pavilion, I'm denying your request. It's a perfectly accurate summary, and you have crossed the line into WP:TE. MilesMoney (talk) 20:36, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

text: I made a slight change to the text.  QuackGuru (talk) 20:46, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Slight copy-edit by me. MilesMoney (talk) 20:48, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed rewrite of lesbian incident section 

message: The text says that "In 2010, the Rasmussen's home was completely destroyed by a fire." This is supported by a blog post. The picture shows a not-especially-large structure that is exceedingly unlikely to be the primary residence of a person of his stature; also, Googling the address shows that it has been rebuilt, as does a second post from the same blog. I also note that neither blog post identifies the owner as this Scott Rasmussen. These two hits and our article are the sole documentation of this I could find. I would suggest that this event is not appropriate material for the article. Mangoe (talk) 13:58, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And on what basis do you know a "person of his stature" would not have a modest home (though I find it hard to claim size from a photo having seen quite expensive homes which do not make for great photos as being mansions)?   BTW, Warren Buffett has a "modest home".  Perhaps better sourcing is needed -- but you appear to "know" stuff which is WP:OR. Collect (talk) 15:26, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

text: shows a 2251 sq. ft. home selling for $765,000 in 2004 ... which is not exactly slum level.  This is not RS for the article, but does show that the likelihood of it not being cheap is high, and the fact that the owners are Scott and Laura Rasmussen, that the subject of this article has a wife Laura, and lives in the same town, makes the odds pretty good here.  Sure better sourcing would be nice, but the size is reasonable for the person. Collect (talk) 15:54, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Collect, I don't know how familiar you are with beach real estate. These prices are pretty much routine up and down the Jersey shore for this sort of detached house, a very large portion of which are rentals. But at any rate, what we have here is a local interest blogger on a public figure as the sole source stating that the house they lived in burned down. You would think it would be more substantial news. Mangoe (talk) 16:32, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, real estate is about 600k-1M on Ocean Pathway. It is prime real estate in Ocean Grove. Ocean Pathway is actually a block-wide park that leads from the historic Great Auditorium to the ocean front. Houses on both sides of the park, generally historic Victorians, can see the ocean and Great Auditorium as well as facing the park. Except for direct water front property, this is as good as it gets in Ocean Grove. I question the use of a "blog source" and wonder if we should be implicitly giving the address of a pubic figure. Jason from nyc (talk) 16:46, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I think it's reasonable to suppose that a man of Rasmussen's stature might own several "modest" homes like the one that burned.  Some might be bigger and fancier than others. I see nothing in this source to indicate the house that burned was the only house he owned.  Roccodrift (talk) 17:20, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I support removing it for the reasons listed above: namely, poor sourcing, as well as a privacy concern. Additionally, I don't think inclusion is adding to the article. It seems like a piece of trivia, and pretty irrelevant in the scheme of things (unless it had been arson or something like that, but that doesn't appear to be the case). FWIW, I think I'm the one who originally added this after hearing a reference on the news. Now it seems like it doesn't hold up.Safehaven86 (talk)
*Actually, the source refers to "Camp Meeting Association president Scott Rasmussen," which I believe clearly refers to the article subject. Whether the source is more of a blog or an online-only news outlet is a closer question, but it has an editor, a small staff, and apparently supports itself with local advertising rather than feeds from google, etc, push it narrowly into the news outlet category. But this is a random fact without any useful context. In a more comprehensive account of hus personal life it might be useful, but I don't see any place for it standing alone. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:50, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

text: That's what caught my eye in the first place: it is just this odd factoid that connects to nothing else. And then when I started researching it I find more or less passing references in a story about a fire destroying another building, and nowhere else. I don't really want to be the person pushing the story that Rasmussen's home burned down and then find out months later that the fellow who writes this blog made an obvious but understandable mistake. Mangoe (talk) 18:39, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Agree! Jason from nyc (talk) 16:24, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another "personal" issue 

message: In order to remove this article from :Category:CS1 errors: dates, could someone please change all of the references that contain dates in mm-dd-yyyy format to an acceptable date format per MOS:DATEFORMAT?  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 07:00, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: Sorry, but Cabal regulations forbid me from fulfilling any edit request that would take more than 30 minutes and that would involve editing lots of fiddly little numbers. ;) If you put the corrected article code in a sandbox somewhere, I'll copy it over for you - just ping me or reactivate the  template when you're done. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 14:19, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and there is no Cabal. Did I say Cabal? Nope, no I didn't. Because there isn't one. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 14:21, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay - could you please copy Draft:Scott Rasmussen to Scott Rasmussen?  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 21:12, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Oh, and I commented out  on the first line of Draft:Scott Rasmussen, so please remove the comment tags when moving it to Scott Rasmussen.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 21:13, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok,  Done. Thanks for the fixes. :) — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 04:50, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank YOU!  I'll now request the deletion of the draft page.  GoingBatty (talk) 16:52, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request - date formats 

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