Talk:Guanches

message: Are there people today who claim to be mainly of Guanche ancestroy?  If not, when did the last of the Gunaches cease to exist?  I realize most assimilated with the Spanish settlers, but at what point did their culture cease to have a relevant presence? -98.221.133.96 (talk) 11:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern-Day Guanches

message: The image itself contains a caption identifying it as a reconstruction of Cro-Magnon man, not a Guanche.  The Cro-Magnons are just the earliest modern humans in Europe, so I'm kind of skeptical about the claim that the Guanches are particularly similar to Cro-Magnons; in any case, it's definitely not right to use an image of a reconstructed face from Cro-Magnon remains as if it were an image of a Guanche person.  It would be equally valid to show the same image and label it "A Frenchman" or "An Englishman." --Reuben 00:26, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
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message: Who is inventing about appareance? Please.. read books...
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Like the Encyclopaedia Britannica? Please do. And please don't vandalise by removing linked English terms such as Cro-Magnon with Spanish/Italian Cromagnoide. Save it for the Spanish language article, where it might actually be understood.
Why this fear of the appearance of the original population? Some of the Canaries islands had people with dark hair, some islands had populations with fair hair. 
This is interesting, and can be used to trace their origins. 
Why do you wish to suppress this information? Ashamed of your Spanish ancestors behaviour? Don’t be, we are all descended from people who did horrible things; It’s always the victors who get to breed the next generation.
As to the statement that the Guanches still exist in the Canaries, that makes even less sense than saying that the Indians still populate North America. The Guanches had no place to hide from the Spanish.
Look at Argentina: Almost no Indians in their ancestry, just Spaniards and Italians with a smattering of other European and middle eastern people.  Why? Just flat grasslands where the indigenous population could not hide from the mounted Spaniards. Then look at mountainous and forested Bolivia; Quite a lot of natives surviving. There you can say that the indigenous people still exist today. Indigenous Guanche people living in the Canary Islands today? Get real..
Please study a little bit and stop liying, everybody is tired of the black legend. In Argentina they killed he indians in the XX century, the spanish did not touch them.Just a small example to start study. []  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miller33miller (talk • contribs) 01:08, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearance 

message: The Appearance section of this article has been plagued with a lack of structure for some time. I have tried to organize it thus: 1) first accounts of the Canary Islanders' appearance 2) theories of their origin based on their appearance 3) facts (linguistic and genetic evidence linking at least some of the population to a northern African origin), existence of the oft-mentioned fair traits in modern northern African populations, and a related citation. 
Throughout the article, there still remains some rather archaic language stemming from the original Britannica piece dating from about a hundred years ago (Until recently, it read as follows: it is due to the perseverance of D. Aquilino Padran, a priest of Las Palmas, that anything about the inscription on the island Hierro has been brought to light. In 1878 Dr R. Verneau discovered in the ravines of Las Balos some genuine Libyan inscriptions. Without exception the rock inscriptions have proved to be Numidic...). It's nice and flowery and all, but not really Wiki-propriate.
I'm much less concerned with the passions surrounding the racial background of the Canary Islanders than I am with presenting coherently what was observed, what has been theorized, and what has been established as fact. Twalls 07:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes to Appearance

message: Roy Porter suggests that the Guanches had little resistance to European diseases such as smallpox, which the Spanish brought to the islands, and this was a major contributor to their rapid population decline - there appears to be no mention of this in the article 192.250.97.6 11:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an excellent point. Thanks for bringing it up! Twalls 23:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  disease 

message: The term "fair traits" is a bit puzzling. Fairness can be a trait, but in English you don't usually have "fair traits" or "dark traits." I suspect that the writer means "fair skin and fair hair" or some combination of traits normally associated with a supposed European or "Caucasian" type. This should be clarified with better terminology.
Chris k 00:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fair traits" (Appearance and Origins) 

message: The FamilyTreeDNA, Biomed Central, archaeology.org and two Columbus' journal excerpts references are hardly garbage, Burgas00, but yes, the others are of little value. They also are references for other items in the main article, not just that paragraph. They should be properly formatted as per Wikpedia style. I think the paragraph should be put back in, even if it needs to be re-written. I'll also try reformat the better links as mentioned. Twalls 23:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion of Paragraph and Sources in Origins Section

message: Pliny don't talk about Hanno but about the mauretanian expedition of the I century BC, as you can read here:
http://www.ing.iac.es/PR/lapalma/pliny.html
--Bentaguayre 21:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pliny, Hanno and the mauritanians

message: I have just put in a citation in the History section (to Pliny, Natural History).  I am English and live on Tenerife and am very interested in the Guanches. I've also put an external link to a local website which has a great deal of - unfortunately unreferenced - information about the Guanches. I'm new to Wikipedia editing, so do excuse me if I've done anything incorrectly - tell me, and I will try to do better next time!--Guanche Lady (talk) 09:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we look forward to your contributions! Your cautious approach shows you'll be a good editor. Twalls (talk) 18:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for those kind words! Something that I might be able to do usefully is to translate some of the info that is on the Spanish Wikipedia site. I know that this was suggested earlier but, as I've yet to read all this talk page (my own PC is down with a virus - I'm connecting via a friend's who is letting me use his for an hour or so for a few vital things), I don't know if anyone has begun working on this. If they have and would like a collaborator, I'm here! I'm not sure how Wikipedia would assess my level of Spanish, as I've learnt it informally. I certainly wouldn't feel competant to translate from English into Spanish, but the Spanish Guanche pages seem to be within my level of competance to translate into English.--Guanche Lady (talk) 09:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

text: mencey links back to exactly the same place in this article... Paul S (talk) 02:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New editor and minor edits 

message: I believe that deberia someone to edit the article of the gods: Achamán, Chaxiraxi, Guayota and Magec, aquie I leave some information them of them:
Achamán: Is the name started to the supreme god of the people guanche of Original inhabitant of the Canary Isles to the island of Tenerife.
Chaxiraxi: Is the name original inhabitant of the Canary Isles of an aboriginal goddess, who means in Castilian Madre del Sol. It is the name that receives in 1430 the image of the Virgin of appeared Candelaria this year in Güímar, in the island of Tenerife (Canaries, Spain). The goddess Chaxiraxi was one of the principal goddesses of the pantheon original inhabitant of the Canary Isles.
Guayota: Was the name that was receiving one of the mythological malignant entities in which there believed the original inhabitants of the Canary Isles, former settlers of Canaries. It was the principal malignant deity of the original inhabitants of the Canary Isles, the demon. To Guayota it his(her,your) demons' huésted was represented often as a black dog accompanied of the Tibicenas.
Magec: Was the god of the Sun and the light for the former settlers of the Canary archipelago, the original inhabitants of the Canary Isles. It is a question of one of the principal divinities.
I hope that someone edits it, me harian a great favor. Regards.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.39.250.245 (talk) 17:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gods 

message: "Europeans saw their culture as being neolithic when Europeans colonized the Canary Islands in the Middle Ages." It's not very likely that people in the middle ages saw the culture as "neolithic" when the concept and the word hadn't been invented yet. I don't see much point in saying what medieval Europeans thought about them anyway, especially without a citation. I'm going to clean up some of the English too, though there are some places where the wording is totally incomprehensible and I can't figure out what it was supposed to mean. Tarchon (talk) 03:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The entry originally said something else and it was partially changed without noting this fact. This happens quite often on Wikipedia. Previously, the entry said the Guanches were at a Stone Age or neolithic level of development when they were encountered by continental Europeans; it didn't say the Europeans who discovered them described them as neolithic. I agree about the incomprehensible recent additions. I would have lent a hand but I've been out of commission for the last few weeks. Thanks, Twalls (talk) 21:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anachronism in the Intro 

message: See it on the page in Spanish and their religion, also is called Guanche Mythology: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guayota
* My friend - A genie es un ser fantastico. A genius es un persona con mucha inteligencia. Twalls (talk) 13:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guayota is the king of evil geniuses. 

message: The Guanches were described as Aboriginal.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.40.238.8 (talk) 14:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aboriginal 

message: The religion or mythology guanche was animistic. And I think it should do a special article on the mythology Guanche, because it is very complex.
- Guanches and North Africa were polytheistic like the rest of  mediterranean. There's no trace of animism.--Léandros (talk) 12:07, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animism 

message: I have undone the above revision. The information appears to be well-intentioned, but there are serious language problems with it, to the point of incoherence. Sample sentences:
It is a little known feature of the aboriginals, but it has proven both archaeologically as chronic who performed both animal sacrifices and human sacrifices.
So in Tenerife during the summer solstice, the Guanches were accustomed to slay livestock and arrogarlo part of a bonfire until the smoke rise to the sky.
850 C (talk) 02:11, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already arranged.--83.51.156.252 (talk) 14:59, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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message: I am actually undoing (part of) an edit by User:Bentaguayre done at 12:49, 24 November 2010, where that editor inserted the phrase "by matrilineality" in this Guanches article's section "Political system", without providing the required source reference.
I have Googled this topic, Guanches, thoroughly, plus checking Library of Congress Country Studies's avenues, The World Factbook's avenues, and much more. I am unable to find any real or actual sources for matrilineality among the Guanches, who effectively were wiped out by the Spanish conquest of the Canary Islands in 1494-96, more than 500 years ago. The above-mentioned editor presumably was similarly unsuccessful, but was willing to violate Wikipedia's requirements for reliability of its encyclopedic information. I myself need and support the reliability of WP's information, and am glad that most editors do. Thus I am removing the unreliable phrase. If that editor happens to be descended from the Guanches, they perhaps could provide that information instead of the usual source reference, but they did not.  That editor inserted the phrase without any support whatsoever.   For7thGen (talk) 19:49, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: , could you please cite it properly? Just an url isn't enough. I'll post guidance to your talk page. Doug Weller talk 12:09, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
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