Talk:The Forever War

message: I deleted this section, because I felt that it dit not belong in the plot summary. It could fit, with revisions, elsewhere.
*One of the telling points of the book is towards the end ("Major Mandella" -  section 7), when he and a soldier from a much more contemporary time (more recent by hundreds of years) are attempting to determine how long to wait before exposing themselves to the ground zero of a nuclear explosion. Both calculate the requisite physics problems by hand, and arrive at similar answers. The underyling principle, perhaps, is that with enough time even the oldest systems are changed, and beliefs we have held for our entire lives are suddenly seen as invalid - despite the fact that the old systems worked.
Any ideas appreciated. Zepheus 20:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not quite correct - they had detonated a nova bomb while they were protected by a stasis field.  Mandella and another soldier both worked out how long it would take the crater they were then in to cool by writing in the snow (in the depicted stasis field one cannot see the outside world).  They came up with very different results so Madella ordered they would wait the longer time period.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.15.113.126 (talk) 19:15, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
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message: I marked the "Editions" section as confusing because I find it hard to keep the editions straight. - Zepheus (ツィフィアス) 21:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: I removed this sentence from the Editions section, because it is unsourced. If someone can find a source, by all means, put it back in. As such, some readers prefer the 1975 edition, calling it the stronger of the first two versions. - Zepheus <ツィフィアス> 07:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: The Science Fiction Book Club edition is based on the 1997 Avon edition, right? RahadyanS 17:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: I have reverted/changed some "inaccuracies" that I don't remember from the book. The problem is that I may be mixing things up with the graphic novel, which in some parts diverges a little. Mainly I am referring to:
*Homosexuality mandatory - this is incorrect FOR MANDELLA's FIRST VISIT BACK. At that time, he wasn't nearly gone long enough, and society hadn't changed that much yet.
MadMaxDog 09:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I could be wrong, and I don't have a copy of the book with me, but I think there was only one trip back where homosexuality was the norm. There wasn't a return prior to that where it was say merely common. Also, I say mandatory, because I recall from the book that it is: everyone is conditioned to be homosexual. It's not "encouraged" -> it's done *to* you.  Mandatory. Only those who cannot be conditioned remain hetrosexual.  Toby Douglass 08:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I emigrated two years ago, and most of my book collection is still back in Europe. So I can't check either - can some soul do? I remember that the first return to Earth was soon after the first combat mission, and Mandella's mother was still alive (i.e. the historical duration was maybe 30-50 years onwards - a lot of time, but I'm not sure that would have been enough for such a sweeping change). MadMaxDog 09:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't read the book in a while but I just read A Separate War and in it, Marygay states that hetereosexuality is tolerated as an "anachronistic perversion" and that the "cure" for heterosexuality only works before puberty. Not sure that this helps any. Kuralyov 01:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Not really, because what you say is certainly correct for LATER in the book's history. However, the book spans about a thousand years, with all the historical changes back on Earth. So unless somebody gets out the book and checks what is says during the FIRST return of the veterans to Earth... Ingolfson 07:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just finished rereading the book. Then none of the times that Mandella returned was homosexuality mandatory. The first time it was merely encouraged (2023), and while the book does give an exact figure it's not as widespread as it is later in the book. The next time Mandella returnes to the "Stargate", homosexuality is close to or at 100%, but still not mandatory. It is explained that for a short time it was mandatory, but that law was repealed. In this future, heterosexuality is viewed as taboo or even more taboo that homosexuality is in the present.Lane5slacker 18:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am reading what the forward calls a "nonabridged version" in which the temporal orientation officer Colonel whom Mandella is talking to in a bar (at Stargate after receiving his immersion training) tells him that heterosexuality was indeed illegal a century or so ago, but the laws had been relaxed since then.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.15.113.126 (talk) 19:20, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
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message: Why has the infobox started to not wrap the text? MadMaxDog 09:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't anybody else have this problem? Massive whitespace right at the article start... MadMaxDog 09:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: As anybody can see from the last edit summaries (starting 17 May 2007), User:In1984 has repeatedly removed the spoilers template. When I reinstated it gving my reasons, he simply deletes it again, always without any edit summary, comment, whatsoever. He has also not responded to the following comment on his user talk:
:"Stop reverting without explanation, please"
:You repeatedly reverted the reinstation of the spoiler template on Forever War, even after I asked you to provide at least reasons and communicate about it. Please stop doing so - this is not your playground, this is a community effort. MadMaxDog 09:21, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can somebody else weigh in, maybe also comment on his talk page that this is not the kind of behaviour Wikipedia is built on? No matter where you stand on the spoiler thing itself?MadMaxDog 08:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: The passage about the first land battle with the Taurans is inaccurate. It is never told whether the Taurans from the the future or the past, due to the time dilation. Also, the passage makes it sound like the humans were slaughtered when it was the other way around. At that point, the Taurans had no concept of land battles or even hand-held weapons. So, the battle was like shooting fish in a barrel. Lane5slacker 19:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: I think the criticism section needs a bit of work. For one thing, even if Haldeman had cordial relations with Heinlein, etc., his story may still be a response to Heinlein's Starship Troopers, which Heinlein described as a heresy (ref. Grumbles from the Grave). A list of criticism discussing this should be included, rather than some anecdotes that really have nothing to do with literary criticism. Hmoulding (talk) 20:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
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message: Took care of the following bot criticisms (struck afterwards). Ingolfson 09:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
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message: Regarding following quote: "This first expedition, beginning in 2007, lasted only two years from the soldier's perspective, but due to time dilation, upon return to Earth a decade has passed."
Confusing because by the time they actually get to Earth over 20 years have passed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Demiansmark (talk • contribs) 02:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be nice, but until a reliable source is found it is just speculation. I am going to remove the link to Charon (moon) and add a note. TwoTwoHello (talk) 09:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

text: Charon in Greek mythology is a servant of Pluto and an obvious name to give to an object associated with the planet Pluto.  I think a lot of science fiction stories have used it, and there's little point in arguing who thought of it first.  50.180.19.238 (talk) 13:18, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
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message: More information on the film is needed. 
* IMDB shows its under production and due 2013, but without access to ProIMDB I can't see more detailed information. Are they still working on the film?
* Wiki's last info on the film is from 2010.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.252.171.254 (talk) 06:36, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
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message: According to ISFDB, Forever War ranked 8th for the 1975 award --not mentioned in this article-- and won the 1976 award. 
How did the Locus Award for Best Novel define eligibility? Does the answer to the puzzle turn on such points as hard- and softcover editions from two publishers? Does the ambiguity plague many annual Locus rankings (and perhaps Awards, ie 1st place)?
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