Talk:Video journalism

message: Mackan and Mister-jones, you've both left messages on my user page asking me to warn the other, regarding this article.  I'm sorry I've been slow to respond - I have many commitments offline, and haven't given Wikipedia much time lately.
You guys are both interested in this article: that's excellent.  That means you can work together to make it better, but you have to work together.  It's not optional.  Working together means keeping things professional and courteous.  It means talking to people in a way that you'd be comfortable talking to your boss, or to a cop, or.... whoever you respect.  When you don't respect, act as if you do.
I see above, "you are a sockpuppeteering, personal attacking, userpage and article-blanking bore," and, "your continued vandalizing of this article is pitiful."  It's impossible to work with someone if you're insulting each other.  Step 1 to fixing the article is dropping the personal stuff.
You may both consider yourselves warned regarding personal attacks.  Mister-jones, you've been warned before, and you say you've "started taking Wiki more seriously".  That's excellent; if you want to show it, you've got to stop being rude.  You've got to stop calling others' edits "vandalism" (read the definition behind that link).  You've got to stop making disparaging remarks about others' intelligence.  Otherwise, you'll end up blocked from editing, and that makes improving the article very difficult.  Cause and effect.  You're about two rude remarks away from an effect right now.  Don't step closer.
Mackan, I don't know anything about video journalism, and I haven't really got the time to get involved in the actual content dispute here.  I'll tell you my strategy for dealing with this type of conflict.  The first and only step is to get more eyes involved.  Do an article RfC.  Request a third opinion.  Go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Journalism and ask people to come have a look.  Do all of those, really.  It pretty much always helps.
Mister-jones, if Mackan doesn't beat you to it, you should do those things, too.  It's how you deal with disputes here.
Also, both of you, this is the hard part, but it's the best way to "win" at Wikipedia: when you want to tell the other guy just what you think of him, go ahead and type it all up, hit "preview", read it, get some satisfaction out of that.... and then don't hit "save".  Be the guy who's above ad hominem arguments.  Even from a totally evil Machiavellian viewpoint, it gets people on your side, because it gives you the high ground.  Take it. -GTBacchus(talk) 10:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've posted on "third opinion". Mackan 13:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Working together 

message: Removed "first industry-wide" because the article says nothing about PA being the first to educate video journalists, nor does it say the "entire" industry in the UK is converting to video journalism (which is what "industry wide" actually means). Either you misunderstood that segment of the article, or your addition was poorly-worded. You must understand the article from which you are pulling information before posting it as fact, or understand how your entry may be read.
Removed "Videojournalism was first introduced in the UK in 1994 with the launch of Channel One - a 24 hour cable news channel- modelled on New York One and owned by Associated Newspapers. Many of those vjs have gone on to become household names," because the claim is not supported by references.
Mister-jones 04:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: General Edit Discussion

message: I'm terrified to edit this page because I can see there's been a very contentious edit war involving the topic... but I think it's definately worth mentioning the other names this form of newsgathering is known as. We rarely call videojournalists by that title in the industry. We usually say "VJ". We're also called "backpack journalists" and "one man bands" (OMBs are actually the VJ predessor). I've never heard the term "solo journalist", which is the only alternate term addressed in this article. I propose editing the first paragraph to include that video journalists are also known as all of the above terms.--Videojournalist (talk) 13:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Names

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