Talk:Organization XIII/Archive 3

message: Why was the list of gummi ships removed?
I got the Floating Mine Gummi Ships form the Official Strategy guide DONT REMOVE IT ANYMORE. -User:Oblivion111
:Which strategy guide? A lot of strategy guides go around calling themselves "official" as a marketing ploy so the source of your information is questionable. Axem Titanium 04:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Care to note what page? I see "Bomb Bell", "Bomber", "Cyyclops", "Gatling Ship", "Grappler", Knight Head", Mega Tank, "Mystic Fever", "Phoenix", "Ring Tank", "Shield", "Speeder", "Spider", "Spiked Roller", "Tank", "U.F.O.", "Core", "Cruiser", "Mad Rider", and "Mini Cruiser". Most, if any, of them don't even fall under the description of "floating mine", so I don't why you're this intent on promoting a bizarre name. Interrobamf 20:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bradygames can hardly call itself "official". Its strategy guides are riddled with typos and FACTUAL ERRORS in an effort to have it out on the same day as the game's release. Besides, it is in no way related to Square Enix. In this case the only official source would be the Kingdom Hearts II Ultimania book. Axem Titanium 21:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How dare you?! Hayner is a Nobody! =) Interrobamf 00:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nobody Gummi Ships 

message: It says that Roxas lost his memory because of Sora's being a heartless for too short of time, this is an error. Diz mentions at some point (I don't remember, but it was in the three hour introduction.), that he didn't remember a thing because Sora lost his memories also. This also explains why he remembers things as Sora remembers them. Just thought I would give my two cents. :D
:Secret Ansem Reports. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 02:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To put it bluntly, NO. And don't try to create one, either. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 06:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roxas and his memory 

message: Where is it mentioned that Nobodies are born in Twilight Town?  As I recall, Ansem's Secret Reports aimed said they 'slipped into darkness' or some such thing.
Also, it was mentioned by Ansem that the stongest Nobodies, the Organization members, were created because they gave their hearts up willingly.
Finally...
I would add that calling 'moon' an element is a little odd.  Saying he derives power from the moon both sounds better and remains entirely accurate.
Matter of phraseology, not speculation.
Similar bit with Marluxia and flowers.  Seriously, say it to yourself, the 'element of flower.' Jachra 05:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Secret Ansem Report 7. Should be something like "When beings without hearts, "Heartless", are born, the remaining soul and body are born in [Twilight Town] as a different existence." I don't see where it states that humanoid Nobodies are created by the willful giving-up of hearts. Yen Sid clearly states the strong heart thing. As for elements, I'm not sure why "element of water" or "element of wind" is any more ridiculous. They're all minor after-effects of more fundamental forces, and to state wind as a "element" is compeltely silly using current science's way of thinking. The only reason it seems more acceptable is the fact that it's been considered a element since Greek times and seems more fundamental than flower. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 07:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thank you, I looked it up myself afterwards, they are indeed born in Twilight Town's world.  As for the willing giving up bit, it was a mistaken combination of things I read in 5 and 10.  Apparently, giving up your heart willingly only creates a Heartless with self-will, mentioned in section 10, I mis-remembered this as Nobody.  As for elements...the elements of Water and Wind comes directly from Greek mythology, and, from a primitive perspective, makes a modicrum of sense.  To a society without a background in science like ours, it can very well seem that all things are composed of (thus the word 'element,' by which they mean the elementary composition of existence) wind, earth, fire, and water.  To this I add that the Chinese arrived at the same erroneous conclusion seperately from the Greeks (possibly including Wood, which may indeed give you your justification, but I have no evidence they believed this was an element.)  Are you trying to suggest that the moon and flowers are elementary compositions in Kingdom Hearts?  We grew up with the notion of Earth Water Fire Air in video games; silly as it is, it has a strong history behind it in both mythology and video games. Jachra 23:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Then why not say "this realm"? Ansem the Wise later states that Roxas was born in Twilight Town, further evidence for "thisworld" meaning Twilight Town. Twilight Town stays. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 01:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I dunno.  Maybe because Roxas and Naminé were the only two humanoid Nobodies he was able to do significant research on?—urutapu 22:39, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

text: ...I'm pretty sure Twilight Town ISN'T part of the realm of light...—ウルタプ 20:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

text: To be quite blunt, you opinion or observations aren't worth a damn. Ansem states "this world", having mentioned Twilght Town before. We're sticking to what the game clearly states. End of story. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 10:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Couple Things... 

message: I think the page is starting to take include way to many hidden messages. Granted, there are about a million different reasons as to why we should include them, but the fact that most of the history on this usually says "Reverted edits of anon x, changed back to last edits by registered user y" it seems to me that something is going wrong. Any ideas? -- SFH 19:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ..the history says that because it's reverted vandalism.—ウルタプ 20:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The HTML messages are included because people make the same mistake over and over. Mysterious, not Misterious! Larxene's real name is Arlene! Zexion's element is shadow! ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 21:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, It is comfirmed that Misterious is spelled correctly and Zexion does not have shadow as a element, and while Larxene's real name probably is Arlene, it's not offical. What I think we shoud do is keep the hidden messages, and make them more clear, listing examples of what not to put in there. In fact, I just added a few. Inkbottle 12:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hidden messages

message: *Does anyone have a picture of Xemnas in his final form robes, with his lightsaber-thingy weapons drawn? I think that would be a good addition. Or would that just be too many images? -- SFH 00:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's already 18 images, but I guess you could prune one of Roxas' images, or the MarluxiaxNobody orgy image. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 04:44, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Final form Xemnas

message: Where, exactly, in the manga is Lexaeus shown in a gym, or Zexion shown with puzzles? IIRC, Lexaeus is the one who has a puzzle he fiddles with; he also reads manga. Zexion is never seen doing a puzzle, only drinking tea, and making pickled daikon once. The only time Zexion is seen holding any puzzle-type item is when he's standing where Lexaeus died, and picks up the puzzle that Lexaeus had been playing with (I can provide pages of the manga to verify this.) 24.68.104.77 05:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chain of Memories Manga 

message: :The novel, however, states that they do have emotions, but are plagued with feelings of incompleteness. They label this as lacking hearts.
What novel are they talking about? Is that from Destruction of Hollow Bastion? -- SFH 20:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they mean the KH2 novel. --melodiester 02:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody said they did. Emotions =/= hearts; they're connected, but not the same thing. Just like memories--they say over and over in CoM that memories are in peoples' hearts, yet the Nobodies can still remember things, so obviously it's not ALL about the heart. 205.188.116.68 20:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: That's…already been pretty obviously established.—ウルタプ 13:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Actual hearts

message: BTW I was in the neighborhood wondering if Xemnas and the gang were behind the Heartless all along, since the Heartless were meant to create Kingdom Hearts. If so do you 
think they were behind Maleficent and Xehanort's Heartless' crimes as well?
Uhh, do you mean Maleficent in the second game? Because Xemnas may have been controlling her since she made more heartless and this in turn helps them since they want to make as many as possible for Sora to release the hearts and combine them to form Kingdom Hearts.
As for Xehanort's heartless, I believe that he was working on his own and was controlling Maleficent in the first game. Point: Xemnas and his heartless are Xehanort and are resonsible for the creation and the heartless and all the lives and worlds claimed.
This does not belong in here. Ansem created the first heartless, those heartless stole thehearts of people, who became heartless and Nobodies, who were not behind it.  And sign your name next time by typing this: "69.160.28.78 23:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Series main villians all along?

message: Since Xemnas and Roxas are anagrams for their real names except with an X added, i.e. Ansem and Sora. 
That would mean that the real names of the other members of Organization 13 can be found out!
*Except that would be speculation, and as it is stated many times throughout the article in hidden messages, we do not accept speculation. -- SFH 04:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Identities? 

message: Who the HELL deleted the last four member descriptions. There all gone. Geese, someone help us put it back.
*You can revert vandalism by going to the history section, and going to the last unvandalized edit. I've already gone ahead and done that. -- SFH 04:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHAT THE 

message: NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DON'T TOUCH MY ARTICLE........it's mine AND I DECIDE WHO TOUCHES IT. I ALREADY LINKED IT TO ORGANIZATION XIII AND I WHANT SOME ONE TO RENAME IT IF THATS THE DARN PROBLEM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SoundPound500000 (talk • contribs) 
:Um... no, you don't decide anything. That's not how Wikipedia works. Besides, this has already been discussed before. Talk:Organization XIII/Archive 2#Should Roxas have his own page? So yeah, the article should be moved back here. The Splendiferous Gegiford 19:11, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, please consider your readers. If someone wants to search for Roxas on Wikipedia, would it be easier for him to find the information on one page or split into two different pages? Axem Titanium 20:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roxas (Kingdom Hearts) 

message: Should I add a link to "The Thirteenth Struggle" to this page? (Please respond on my talk page.) tinlv7 23:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: I know this may sound stupid, but does Hades have any connections with the Org ? I only ask because he seemed to have help from Demyx, and those Nobodies who tried to protect Auron's statue. -- 4.229.60.205 20:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not use Wikipedia as a discussion forum. Interrobamf 04:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hades and the Org

message: Just a quick idea, more of a minor change: Do you think it should be noted that Roxas uses Oathkeeper and Oblivion in Battle? I think this is an rather interesting fact, since the two are swords appearing in both games and seemingly represent the balance of of Light and Darkness, Strength and Magic, as Roxas is dual-wielding them.
Another idea would be to give the Oblivion Keyblade an own page or put it on the same page as the Oathkeeper (Who already got an own page), seeing that they are both very important Keyblades in the series.
:Short answer: No. Long answer: It's too crufty, so no. Oathkeeper is now a redirect for the aforementioned reasons. Axem Titanium 15:32, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What type of Keyblade Roxas uses isn't vitally important to anything. Thus, it isn't noted. Interrobamf 16:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's because if they were mentioned but not explained, it would lead to more questions and more cruft. Also, if a detail like this is added, anon editors will think it to be appropriate to add even more. Axem Titanium 23:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roxas' Keyblades 

message: It may be just me but I'm definetly sure Saix has two scars. The one of his head and also one of the side of his neck. It can be seen in the scene where Xemnas and Saix are talking and when Saix says "I've been waiting to hear that", the scar can be seen just below his ear and along. Evilgidgit 14:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's something that only you noticed, it's probably not notable enough to be put into the article. Interrobamf 15:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He has two scars on his forehead though.  So it oughta say two scars.  But I agree about the neck thing, not verified.  66.231.130.70 02:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It's a matter of semantics, whether you want to say the X thing is one scar or two. Axem Titanium 02:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true.  I wonder how he even got it, since it's not like Org XIII really fought anyone besides Sora and crew.  But I guess that's off-subject...  66.231.130.70 02:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saix appears to have two scars 

message: My God, there's a lot of vandalism to this article.  Not like, crummy contribs either, like blanking and such.  Is this the norm, or only recent?  If it's recent, it should be semi-protected.  66.231.130.70 02:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually quite funny, this article currently ranks #106 on articles with the most revisions with over 6000 edits. The KHII page is #55 with over 7000 edits. So anyway, maybe you have a good point. I thought that Kingdom Hearts II might decline in popularity a bit, since it was released almost 9 months ago, but I guess not yet. Axem Titanium 02:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because it ROCKS THE WORLD, but if this is a regular thing than semi-protection is probably ill-advised, since lots of anon editors might start editing here.  66.231.130.70 02:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  S-protect? 

message: Who is Axelx, I bealive someone put that there because they thought it was funny. Pretty sure it's a lie; I can't confirm this so I'm not messing with it.
68.223.46.108 07:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Axelx? 

message: Why is there a link to "Final Fantasy versus XIII" on the bottom of the page under "More Info:"? 68.223.46.108 07:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FFXIII link? 

message: I read somewhere that Zexion is going to be in Persona 3 as a guest star or whatever. I didn't believe it until I saw it on the official japanese website. (Even then, I still had my doubts because even though it looked almost exactly like him, I couldn't read what the name was.) And in the same place where I found out about the Persona 3, I also read he might be in Final Fantasy XIII. I highly doubt that one too, because when I read about it they hadn't even released Final Fantasy XII yet! Well, not in America anyways. I guess my point is, is either of them true? Is that character in Persona 3 Zexion, or just a character that just so happens to look like him? 
VI Zexion 22:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most likely not since Persona is developed by Atlus and Square Enix probably wouldn't just hand over their characters to them. Being in FFXIII is equally unlikely. Axem Titanium 00:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I understand. But who was that character in Persona 3 that looked like him? VI Zexion 21:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I've looked all over the site and I can't find anyone like him.  And everyone seems to have native Japanese names anyway...—ウルタプ 00:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zexion in other games 

message: I do not know if what I added to main page is the correct, but to me, is seemed right, though, there is also this page here, so if anyone knows how to do it properly, could you tell me also? So I know in the future in how to do Captain Drake Van Hellsing 20:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding that template does not actually protect the page. You must follow your link to request protection there. Axem Titanium 21:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes, I got it now, and requested it there, thanks for the help in the matter Captain Drake Van Hellsing 21:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, got the page Semi-Protected, which should stop the vandalism, or at least not have the page vandalised as much by all the unknown users Captain Drake Van Hellsing 06:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why didn't you do this sooner? Good job though of putting this vandilism thingy up. I do not vandilise this wonderfully-created article, only putting in tiny bits of info. Evilgidgit 18:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, cause I actually just found out just the on where to go to get it all done, but point is, I got it done ;) Captain Drake Van Hellsing 20:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a good thing there is help on this website, otherwise we'd all be lost. Well done Captain Drake Van Hellsing, sir. Evilgidgit 17:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Protection 

message: I know this is pretty small. In his description it says "He is a calm and collected man who shows no emotion, belying his extensively cruel nature". I'm not saying this is wrong but i thought nobodies had no emotion. So therefore how can he be calm and collected? I know this is minor but can somebody explain it? Dekou27 12:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, do you consider "calm" and "collected" as emotions instead of states of being? Axem Titanium 16:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saix Description 

message: Demyx's design seems to reference "Aladdin Sane" David Bowie, down to the haircut and the fact that they're both musicians. Similarly, Demyx's battle quote "Dance, water, dance!" seems to be directly related to David Bowie's movie "Labyrinth", with the quote "Dance, magic, dance!"
Should this be referenced in Demyx's description?
:Can you find a reference for that from someplace other than your own observations? Axem Titanium 21:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demyx = David Bowie?