Talk:History of Florida

message: I am concerned about the quality of this article, especially the organization. I came here looking for information about when/how Florida became a US State and in the "statehood" section I found interesting information, little of which was related to statehood. It mostly discusses the Seminoles and slaves.
This sentence was a particularly disturbing example of the content unrelated to Florida's statehood: "In Florida all the peoples created a new creole culture."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.70.54.152 (talk) 02:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. The section was pretty bad. I've asked for citations and removed creole culture statement which was unsupported and not quite English anyway. Student7 (talk) 13:43, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Quality

message: Should West Florida be merged into this article? It would make it more clear that the southern part of the US (1650 - 1800) belonged to Spain from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Nitpyck (talk) 21:00, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there's plenty of material there to justify its own article. It of course should be discussed here as well.--Cúchullain t/c 23:33, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  West Florida 

message: I always thought Florida was the last frontier, at least in the 48 states, with cowboys (cow hunters). If this  is right, cattle are a vital part of Florida's economy but aren't mentioned in the article, either as a current part of the eocnomy or as a vital part of Florida's history.Cow whips instead of lariats, 'catch dogs', etc. Dougweller (talk) 16:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct. I don't have the historical prospective (which your article may furnish). Difficult for me to perceive the changeover in crops between cotton, pineapples, cattle and citrus. Each had their day and the last two now predominate, but vegetables and other produce worked their way in as well. Cattle today is supposedly eighth in the country. They are raised here as youngsters on poor land. Then shipped out of state for fattening for market. Most of Brevard County was given over to ranchland until a few years back. Still a lot of it. Sugar predominates, thanks to subsidies, in Palm Beach County, which is mostly sugar plantations, despite appearances to the contrary along the shore. There is a thriving dairy industry for local consumption, as well. Student7 (talk) 20:30, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The lack of coverage of Florida's historical "Cracker culture" in this article is definitely a problem. I could do it eventually, but it'd be a while, so hopefully somebody else gets to it first. Zeng8r (talk) 23:59, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cow hunters 

message: this article gives scant to no information on the economic forces that have affected florida history--transportation, railroads, canals and roads, or the industries such as agriculture, mining and tourism--overall very weak on any historic overview other than race relations.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.178.146.130 (talk) 15:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can help, then, please, Be bold. --Scaletail (talk) 17:44, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: it's very strong on tourism. Rjensen (talk) 18:14, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  limited scope of article 

message: A fragment reads
"In the elections of 1867 for the constitutional convention, Southern whites tried to kill it by refraining from voting: of the total votes of 14,503, all but 1,220 votes were cast by African Americans. The freedmen did not have representation equal to their proportion of the population."
I didn't want to change it since it just may be me that finds this confusing.
This may be a summary of another article. I think we need to say that a constitutional convention was required to (what?) rewrite the constitution with rights for blacks? How can you kill a convention by not voting for representatives to it? Looks bad, but so what. All you need is one person voting, so the logic does not seem to make any sense. It explains that there were 14,503 votes. I assume the electorate was a lot larger? It seems to me that the white minority was stupid, had they turned out in droves, they could have influenced the election tremendously. Probably certain delegates were banned by the military governor? Who cares (so what?) that the freedmen did not have representation equal to their proportion of the population? It appears the reforms, such as they were, passed. Right? Student7 (talk) 04:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It didn't make much more sense when I looked at it a second time. I rewrote it and provided links. Also, the date was wrong. It was 1865. Student7 (talk) 13:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, 1867 was the correct year, and while the previous paragraph was confusing, it was accurate. Did you have a resource handy? I'll dig out my dusty history books and fix it up later today, hopefully. Zeng8r (talk) 14:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I picked the first rather than the second date out of Florida_Constitution#The_1865_Florida_Constitution. The second one was 1867, we obviously skipped the first convention in our article, which is okay, I suppose. Student7 (talk) 01:44, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Picking away at reconstruction

message: I'd like to invite fellow Wikipedians interested in Florida history to join in our new project page for celebrating our state's 500th anniversay at Viva_Florida_500 Please review and join in getting this project off the ground. It's more than just about Ponce de Leon and his
landing it is also about other cultures and what new content we can bring into Wiki such as adding new information about the Native Cultures 
that were here when this period of discovery began.--Ourhistory153 (talk) 14:33, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invite to Viva Florida 500 

message: I don't know that I would want it in both places, but we seem to be missing the pre-historic record of past eras in both this article and Geography of Florida (which might include a history of the geography. Needs to be someplace. Student7 (talk) 19:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Geologic history

message: The maps surely prove that someone at least sailed around the peninsula before PdL landed. We may never know whether someone landed or not--but I think the early maps should be mentioned.
G. Blaine (talk) 00:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As I recall, there are claims that some maps show the Florida peninsula but these claims aren't generally accepted. For instance, the Cantino planisphere. Dougweller (talk) 09:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there something I am misreading in looking at the map you mentioned and the Waldseemuller map (1507)? I am certainly no expert in reading maps but I seem to see the peninsula fairly clearly.
G. Blaine (talk) 19:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not agreed that the actually show Florida. They may be trying to show some part of the Asia that many people still assumed at the time was west of Cuba, in which case it's just coincidence that there happened to be a real landmass that vaguely looks like that. However, it could also be that some other European went to Florida earlier and returned with some information. In fact, if the Portuguese went there, they would have a reason not to admit it since it was against the Treaty of Tordesillas with Spain.--Cúchullain t/c 20:51, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, FWIW, the accounts of De Leon's voyage claim that they met an Indian who could speak some Spanish; if this is accurate then it's probable previous Europeans had been to Florida.--Cúchullain t/c 20:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

text: Perhaps we could address the controversy somewhere? I'd tackle it. Valerie (talk) 19:40, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is there no reference to maps showing the Florida peninsula before Ponce de Leon?

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message: I just reverted an edit that claimed that the Spanish did not allow slavery in Florida in the 1700s. Slavery did exist in Spanish Florida. The Spanish crown had forbidden the enslavement of Indians, although one governor enslaved a band that had rebelled against the Spanish. He had to release those people a couple of years later on orders from the crown. The Spanish in Florida also had a policy of letting people who had escaped to Florida from slavery in English/British colonies to live free if the escapees professed or were converted to Catholicism. I am unaware of any reliable source that says slavery was forbidden in Spanish Florida Donald Albury 16:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Carlstak (talk) 16:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slavery in Spanish Florida