Talk:Ethiopian Empire

message: : Emergency? Why? We already have Ethiopia & History of Ethiopia. At the moment, this article only duplicates material that exists in those two articles. Unless the scope of this article is defined, we should just merge the two. -- llywrch 20:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would say the Ethiopian Empire should be separate from all that comes after it in the Ethiopia article. That is a major break in the government of the country. Note Italy has a similar situation, having a separate article on the Kingdom of Italy.  Asiaticus (talk) 08:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This page needs added to!!!! Emergency!!!!!

message: Hey we need the native name for the Ethiopian Empire. Like, the Ashanti Empire was called "Asanteman" by the natives and Kongo Kingdom was called "Wene wa Kongo". What did they call Ethiopia back then. And I know it was Abyssinia.Scott Free (talk) 06:04, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native name 

message: Old capitals sucha as Debre Berhan should be included in the info-box.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.102.200.171 (talk) 02:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital(s) 

message: It's ridiculous to consider the five-year Italian occupation a break-worthy event!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simfan34 (talk • contribs) 15:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No break 

message: This wiki entry is completely false and misinterpretation of the History of several kingdoms and empires that spanned along time.  The history of Kebra Negast (Solomonic dynasty) of Yekuno Amlak of Abysinnia is purely REVISIONIST and an insult to the intelligence of really aware and knowledgeable participants and practicioners of Historical analysis.  I will delete this Whole Entry as it is false and based on lies from an ethno-centric politicalgroup within an ethnic group in "modern Ethiopia" ie "Amhara chauvenists" who repeat the lie of the Solomonic dynasty etc!  —Preceding signed comment added by Puhleec (talk • contribs) 22:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You aren't an Admin, so you can't delete this article; blanking it will only get you in trouble for vandalism. The best you can do is nominate this article for deletion here, but the reasons you provide are insufficient for anyone to take your objections seriously. You also face the small problem that there are countless history books which take as evident truth the assertion you rant against; unless you can provide reliable sources which show someone besides you think this way, at best you're simply going to be ignored & at worst be banned from editing Wikipedia. -- llywrch (talk) 06:28, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be a rant (with no attempt to provide sources) but I'm curious to know what he's talking about - if this a point of view out there (rather than just his idea). there doesn't seem to be any hint in the article. Maybe someone else who is little more scholarly could shed some light. DeCausa (talk) 01:22, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete this Whole Wiki as there was no such "Ethiopian Empire" 

message: The opening paragraph asserts that at the time of the Empire's overthrow in 1974, it was the oldest state in the world. I'm pretty sure that's false, as San Marino has been sovereign since almost 300 AD. Perhaps the original author intended to add a qualifier such as "oldest dynasty" or "oldest state in Africa"? Anybody have any insight? --Foolishgrunt (talk) 14:41, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Aren't Japan or China much older...?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2028:2C9:8C91:C1E2:F53C:1977:DA96 (talk) 14:49, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Oldest State"? 

message: The Northern Somali coast was in Control of the Adal Sultanate. And the Ogaden were under control of the Ajuuran Empire. At first you should check the timeline of the Adal Sultanate, Ajuuraan Empire and The Gobroon Dynasty. How is it possible to posses that places in the Middle Ages when its under control of an other souvereign state? And in the Modern period the Ogaden was under control of Italian Somalia. Thus an other map should be created with acurate borders and also to show its neighbours. Is there any source for this map? e.g; An old map indicating the Empire ore a book that has discribed the Empire and its borders? 
*Meantime it should be removed, until a correct one will show up.Runehelmet (talk) 19:56, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Bring back the old map! The former map is much clearer and shows the location of the Ethiopian Empire compared to other modern day countries. If the map is incorrect, then you could edit it for the proper borders, or make a new file on the world sphere. The sphere is easier to follow! You can make the necasary edits to correct the sphere!  Jacsam2 (talk) 12:44, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

text: You may be right that the current image is hard to 'follow'. You should consult the maker of the former image to adjust the borders. But that is a problem too. If you show the image editor an example of how the Empire looked in a specific time, then the problem could be solved. Runehelmet (talk) 19:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Image. 

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thread_title: File:Impero Etiope.jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: The claim that the "Ethiopian Empire" occupied only half of modern Ethiopia,  seems rather strange.    What country occupied the rest of it ?Eregli bob (talk) 11:47, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: For example; in the Southern part of modern day Ethiopia( Oromia), various Oromo Sultanates ruled the area, in the east( Ogaden) Somali nomads roamed and controlled the area, in the Northeast the Afar states, notably the Aussa Sultanate and in the Southwest other ethnic groups(e.g. Nuer, Anuak and various Nilotic peoples) inhabited the area and ruled it independently. Not until the series of conquests under Menelik II in the late 19th century, was the Ethiopian Empire expanded into the modern-day state of Ethiopia. Hope this will explain enough. Runehelmet (talk) 14:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

text: This article needs a better explanation of why this is considered an empire (normally comprising a number of subject states). Kortoso (talk) 16:41, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Half of ethiopia 

message: * This article says "Abyssinia (a Europeanized form of the Arabic Al-Habash)". But Arabic is a latecomer in the area, and the Arabic form may be an adaptation of a previous non-Arabic native form. To me, the name A-byssin-ia looks like Greek for "no-cotton-land"; much of it may be too high and cold to grow cotton. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of "Abyssinia" 

message: Monarchy was officially abolished only in March 1975 (when Selassie was still alive), so is it correct to put an end in 1974?--Shivanarayana (talk) 08:10, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of Ethiopian Empire 

message: It appears that adding the Preceding Kingdoms and presenting them as "Dynastys" of an "Ethiopian Empire" is blatantly wrong. The Ethiopian Empire is only the Solomonic Dynasty because it was Only Abyssinian(Abyssinia). It is incorrect to refer to the Agwe as a Dynasty of the Abyssinia nor refer to the Aksumite kingdom as Abyssinia either?  This entire article needs to be re-structured to make the distinction clear that "Ethiopian Empire" in this article only means "Abyssinia(Habesha)" otherwise article is just a hodgepodge of nonsense.Authorityofwiki (talk) 07:15, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Please slow down. I have reverted your edits not because I disagree with them but because you cite no sources. If you want to change Zagwe dynasty to Zagwe Kingdom, please go to that article and make a move request and explain why you think Zagwe Kingdom is the WP:COMMONNAME for this nation-state. አቤል ዳዊት (Janweh64) (talk) 14:07, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

text: It appears that Zagwe was both a kingdom and that kingdom's ruling dynasty. Soupforone (talk) 15:33, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ethiopian Empire" only the "Solomonic Dynasty" 

message: This is unquestionably a POV judgment on the events described, it's uncited and is therefore original research by the editor who added it, and just because you don't like an edit or an explanation is no reason to leave a snarky comment on the IP address's page. 192.91.173.34 (talk) 04:17, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a political term that describes the entire paragraph, which is properly sourced. Wait for consensus here before reverting again. Sundayclose (talk) 04:22, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not sourced at all, and it's not even a complete sentence. 192.91.173.34 (talk) 04:27, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a complete sentence, and as I said, it describes the entire paragraph, which is well sourced. Sundayclose (talk) 04:30, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

text: I agree with Sundayclose. Muslim and Christian states formed coalitions, this is why I added the sentence for context. I inserted a reference describing collaboration between Yekuno Amak and Shewa, hopefully that will suffice Magherbin (talk) 23:53, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The objection here is based on a misunderstanding of the term "unholy alliance". If you bother to take a couple of minutes to click the link and read the article, that is quite obvious. It's a metaphorical term that has nothing to do with the unholiness or holiness of any individual or group that it describes. In fact, it can apply to situations with no religious context whatsoever. In this case it refers to the alliance between Christians and Muslims, but it could be applied equally as well to (for example) Union and Confederacy in the American Civil War, or the Soviet Union and United States during the Cold War. The entire paragraph describes the alliance between Christians and Muslims, and the term "unholy alliance" is used to introduce the paragraph, which is well sourced. As such no citation is needed. although  kindly provided one. It helps if these matters are rationally discussed instead of impulsively removing a phrase based on a misunderstanding of its meaning. Sundayclose (talk) 00:45, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Unholy alliance" 

message: Hey! I've made a version of the flag which I think might be a bit more authentic and better looking that the current one used, link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Ethiopian_Empire.svg
However it was swiftly removed by User:Havsjö, I was just wondering if you could explain why did you remove it, if something is amiss is there any way to improve it? Thanks in advance! 85.94.107.36 (talk) 09:24, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Its depicting the exact same thing looking basically identical, but the older one is the "standardized", high quality file used on wikipedia --Havsjö (talk) 15:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "but the older one is the "standardized", high quality file used on wikipedia" they are both SVG files of the same quality so I'm not sure what you meant there, I thought my own version would be a little bit closer to the actual flag used by the Empire.Медун 1876 (talk) 06:41, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  I've made a new version of the flag but it was removed, just wondering could the user who removed it explain why he did so? 

message: It was the most common name in the past and wasn't used frequent until modern Ethiopia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SonOfAxum (talk • contribs) 07:23, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it should not be named "Abyssinian/Habesha Empire/Kingdom." The name Ethiopian (Amharic and Tigrinya: ኢትዮጵያ , , Oromo: Itoophiyaa, Somali: Itoobiya, Afar: Itiyoophiyaa) or Ethiopian Empire ( ) was the terms used by people in Ethiopia at the time to refer to their country. The term "Abyssinian" is a foreign word not unused by the people or government of Ethiopia in that era, was an erroneous exonym. Also, an "Habesha Empire/Kingdom" never existed by that name but it is true that the Aksumites on occasion did refer to themselves as "Habesha" when writing in the Sabaean language and informally in Ge'ez, but used the term "Ethiopian" when writing in Greek and in formal Ge'ez writtings. https://books.google.com/books?id=JeSOCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT205&lpg=PT205&dq=habesha+misconception&source=bl&ots=8WD82WETUx&sig=ACfU3U2d6me8zZRvH9XjcrreruR78uimEw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJ34m9i4rqAhX4hHIEHa13C6gQ6AEwBnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20first%20question%20concerns%20the%20artificial%20&f=false ItsLife1 (talk) 19:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

text: It was an exonmyn and was designed to dislocate the history by claiming the people were semiticised inhabitants and distorting the meaning of the word Habesha which does not mean mixed. 2A02:C7C:36FF:3600:6589:E97D:85A5:8BC8 (talk) 19:33, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  This should be renamed to Abyssinian/Habesha Empire/Kingdom 

message: There were calims on the article that Yeshaq was challenged and killed by Jamal ad-din, However, niether the Abyssinian nor the walashma chronicles state such death of the emperor. The only primary source that claims so is al-Maqrizi who states the emperor is "said to have died" in a battle where he defeated the sultan. This is disputed by Rene Basset who states in page 135 of  Study of ethiopian history that Yeshaq has killed Jamal ad-din in Harajah. Also Agaw historian Taddesse Tamrat claims that "one can sense" an attempt to suppress the violent death of  the Emperors while providing no logic whatsoever. If you have further information on this, please share Ofdegu (talk) 19:17, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That wasnt the only content you removed. Propose a neutral draft on the talk page. Magherbin (talk) 20:00, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The death of Yeshaq 

message: Maghrebin,The Empire, according to several sources, also covered additional territories such as somaliland and sudan at certain points in its history. If there is a contrary idea, please discuss it in this talk  page before reversing edits. Skitbanger (talk) 21:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont know about this but i'm too busy to review it. Perhaps someone else can look at it. Dont sock by the way its disruptive, you're a new editor requesting discussion and restoring sock edits, this is suspicious especially when these pages are targeted by sock puppets. Magherbin (talk) 03:57, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Territory of the Empire 

message: Add the Dinar to the currencies of the Ethiopian Empire as it was used by the Ethiopian royal court during the Gondarian period.
" ZemenfesKidus (talk) 02:33, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  melecie  t - 05:21, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 March 2022 

message: Change the events to better reflect the history of the state. ZemenfesKidus (talk) 03:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  melecie  t - 05:22, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 March 2022 (2) 

message: hey can anyone recemond a good book on abyssinia i cannot find one and need it for a project Bumblebeegoat (talk) 20:15, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  books on abyssinia 

message: Title says it all really, made my account just to report this lmoa. No idea which page it should link to instead - I'm for sure not an expert on Ethiopian History - as there's the page for the Simien Mountains, but the line sounds like it's a city or fort being mentioned, that there doesn't seem to be a page for, unless it's under a different name now. Either way, it's probably not meant to be linking to the electrical unit!
Is this how I properly report an error? Not sure how else I could do this other than making a talk topic for it. Sen "SenkoBread" koBread (talk) 12:44, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The final paragraph under the subsection 'Ahmad Gragn’s invasion' in the Early Solomonic Period section incorrectly links to Siemens, the electrical unit, instead of Simien, the location