Talk:Nisio Isin

message: While Ishin Nishio is the standard romanization for his name, it is consistently given as NisiOisin on the copyright page at the back of his books, and should be spelled accordingly. 67.183.123.111 17:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While this is true, it is given in the Summary section that NisiOisin (well, Nisio Isin) is his pen name. Articles regarding Japanese people should use the Wikipedia standard romanization (Hepburn) in the article title, if I recall. You can change the section regarding his Pen Name to read NisiOisin but the rest of the article should stay the way it is. Nique1287 18:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should his books be translated, they would be required to match the spelling to the copyright page. Which is actually Nisio Isin, now that I look at it. 67.183.123.111 09:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name formatting 

message: The section on style appears to be a direct translation of the Japanese language entry. I added at least one citation for it, since someone tagged it... Doceirias 03:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style section 

message: I translated this section from the original in Japanese. Crosswrm (talk) 01:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nisio and light novel 

message: I translated this section from the original in Japanese. Crosswrm (talk) 15:26, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career 

message: This is a complicated one, as the discussion on the former move proposal suggests.
The author's pen name is normally romanized as Nishio Ishin, or Ishin Nishio.
But this name was chosen specifically because it is a palindrome under an alternate system of romanization. (I have an interview with him on the subject if we need a source.)
The earlier discussion concluded that we could not predict how the name would be spelled in English, and should follow tradition.
But Amazon is now listing the Death Note novel with NISIOISIN as the name. Amazon Listing
I don't for a moment support putting the name in all capital letters, obviously; and keeping the two names separate gives us Nisio Isin. Is a move justified at this point? Doceirias (talk) 03:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be fine listing it as , with an explanation of the palindrome. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi. I've been working on requested moves, and I noticed this request in the backlog. The discussion above is a bit complicated, and I don't know any Japanese, but I'm aware that the WP:MOS-JP project has adopted standards regarding romanizations and the proper way to treat people's names, depending on the year of the person's birth. I gather that this is a case in which the older style of ordering the parts of a name is the style in common use, and the one in which the palindrome works. If I've mistaken any of these details, please do correct me.  It appears from the above discussion that the question could hinge on whether or not the name Nishio Ishin is a pseudonym, or simply a stylistic choice of how to write the writer's name, a la bell hooks, who chooses to de-capitalize her name. If it is a pseudonym, and that is the name by which the writer is commonly known, then we would go with it; otherwise, we would be inclined to follow the word order indicated by WP:MOS-JP, as a style issue. Again, I hope I have the details correct there.  If I'm understanding the issue properly, then I'm willing to move the page to Nishio Ishin if we have evidence that it is a pseudonym. That seems fair to me - do others agree that a consensus would support that interpretation of the rules? -GTBacchus(talk) 00:06, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is a pseudonym, as confirmed by the author is several interviews (and readily apparently by the fact that Ishin is a word meaning Restoration, and not a name). WP:MOS-JP policy does not impose standards when the official romanizations contradict them, but we now have proof that Nisio Isin will be the official English spelling of his name. (I translated the Death Note novel by this author, and have my comp compies already; I can confirm that it is spelled this way on the book itself.) Doceirias (talk) 05:50, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Ah, so we wish to move the article to Nisio Isin? It that what the consensus supports? -GTBacchus(talk) 08:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Ok, I've moved the article to Nisio Isin. The stylized capitalization is a whole separate question, and one on which consensus tends to be against special capitalizations. -GTBacchus(talk) 08:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, the stylized capitalization is a separate issue, and not really important. I did add a note about it. Doceirias (talk) 18:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually, I spelled it NisiOisin in one of the translation notes for the xxxHolic novel. Kodansha corrected it, insisting it be NISIOISIN, Nisio Isin, or just Nisio. Insider info! Doceirias (talk) 21:06, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmm, so maybe Nisioisin would work? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think we're better off leaving it as two names. Doceirias (talk) 22:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I think it should be "Nishio Ishin" per WP:MOS-JP, which dictates we use Hepburn. To: ChibiGohan, Tite Kubo is not pronounced "Tee-tay" but "Tight", like "That's tight man". moocows rule 03:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Per those guidelines, we do use the official spellings - like Tite Kubo, where the kanji are actually read Taito. Doceirias (talk) 17:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I reverted the Ghostory misnomer, although honestly, this page should probably use the same compromise as the actual Bakemonogatari page ended up using. Kizumonogatari...'damaged goods' isn't my translation. I thought it was an apt metaphor for what happens in the book, and the sort of word play Nisio enjoys. The scar/wound from his bite mark might also be the reason for the title, but it seemed like the meaning of it was more complex than that, and Damaged Goods got at that complexity a little better. But I'm in favor of explaining the title rather than trying to translate it, until such time as an official translation exists. Doceirias (talk) 04:19, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: I am unsure the book in the heading belongs to the "uncollected works". I understand that what is considered "uncollected" are the short stories in it, but those stories are part of the book itself as companions to Take's artworks. It is more like they were published in their definitive form rightaway in the artbook, much like Medaka Box Guidebook and its own contents. I suggest to move this specific work in the "Related book" section of Katanagatari. Notifying  to present the matter to its attention specifically. --PersiaF (talk) 18:30, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an art book done by Take that happens to have short stories, and the only way to just access said short stories are by buying an art book. My understanding of "uncollected" is that. If they want to release a Katanagatari short story book with the other short story they'd be collected, even putting the drawings that accompany them. Medaka Box Guidebook is a different matter. As the name suggest, it's a guide for the series. I think it doesn't has original content (as in a new story/short story). My decision would be to keep it. Crosswrm (talk) 14:33, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Katanagatari Picture Book