Talk:2009 Swiss minaret referendum

message: Well, all the reactions listed are negative, but how about the positive reactions the ban provoked in Europe (e.g. Netherlands)? IMO, they also merit to be mentionned in order for this article to be informative and "neutral".. As they are now, the article makes the impression of being not completely free of political biases..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.82.233.107 (talk) 09:37, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Feel free to add any - please make sure you include reliable sources so that your edits are not reverted. Codf1977 (talk) 10:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Danish People's Party has also supported the ban together with the Dutch Party for Freedom, as well as Marine Le Pen of the French Front National, and Roberto Calderoli of the Italian Lega Nord. Sources: , ,  -TheG (talk) 17:56, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Your comment is simply stupid and makes no sense. Lega Nord is part of the Italian government, the Danish government has relied on support from the Danish People's Party since 2001, and the Austrian parties make up one third of the Austrian parliament. They are thus not merely "random characters of right-wing or neo-völkisch outfits", which is nothing more than a false and rather bigoted comment. (Please refrain from this clear POV agenda and such hateful characteristics.) -TheG (talk) 10:24, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: it is a pleasure to discuss with somebody subscribing to WP:SPADE. I have no qualms in telling you, therefore, that your above comment is idiotic nonsense. Obviously members of a national government are also members of the party. This doesn't make statements of their respective parties equivalent to statements of governments. Your comment on being "bigoted" or "hateful" is a joke. It the descriptions of the ideologies of the parties in question is taken from their respective articles, where they are fully referenced. If you want to argue about the characterization of Vlaams Belang, take it up on Talk:Vlaams Belang. If you have a statement from a member of a national goverment who is also a member of one of these parties, by all means cite them, but cite them using their office, not their party membership.  --dab (𒁳) 10:32, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think it matters if they are statements of governments or not they are statements from parties in those countries. The article is not misleading in any way it is clear who is making them and the comments are attributed to notable parties who all have there own WP article. The article risks looking POV if there are not views from both sides expressed. So I am reverting the last change.  Codf1977 (talk) 10:40, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

text: In particular, per WP:UNDUE we need to be careful not to give any weight to statements by tiny minorities who are generally ignored in this context by reliable sources. Hans Adler 09:51, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

text: I do understand WP:NPOV - but removing all comments from one side of the argument just because they are not official comments as you did with this edit gave the impression of POV. I think the section heading "Reception in European right-wing populism" is POV and I am going to change that, I also what to know if the German response was an "official" one, it came from a member of a party in government but was it an official one or just a personal one - Reading the ref would seem to suggest it was more personal than official. The Swedish and French reactions were clearly official as they came from foreign ministers. Codf1977 (talk) 10:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: in "international reaction" sections, we usually just quote government officials. My first edit was to separate the right-wing party comments in a standalone h4 section. After Gabagool reverted this, I chose to remove all non-government quotes altogether, to get in line with common Wikipedia practice. Currently, I have restored an improved version of the h4 standalone solution. When members of a nation's government (i.e.,  ministers or heads of state) speak to the press, it is usually perceived as statements by that government (not in a legally binding sense, of course, just in the sense of a press release). If the German statement does not have such a character, it should be removed.  --dab (𒁳) 10:09, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually agree with the current style of the matter. It was not I who edited to the style of "flags and points" which could make the impression that these were official responses from nations. I was even just about to propose the section to be edited to how it is now, but found it had already been done. -TheG (talk) 14:02, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

text: That case is now accurately described in Minaret_controversy_in_Switzerland#Negative (the last point), but someone applied it elsewhere where it wasn't accurately described and indeed doesn't say Switzerland was only expicitly mentioned by the OIC. I reverted the duplicate mention again. --Pudeo' 00:08, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I'm sorry that I missed it in its previous form, although this was hardly strange as it was buried underneath tons of rather irrelevant comments by fringe parties. I have now restructured the section so that it is in line with my interpretation of WP:BALANCE. Best regards, --benjamil (talk) 11:28, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good! --Pudeo' 11:36, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. :-) --benjamil (talk) 11:46, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't really matter, any article which cites the UNHRC for ANYTHING is not reputable nor can it in good conscience be sourced by anybody. Just more Islamists ruining Wikipedia for everyone else.75.170.23.127 (talk) 22:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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