Talk:Óglaigh na hÉireann (Continuity IRA splinter group)

message: Hi all, I'm rather new to the Wiki (just joined up a few days ago), but the whole WikiProject concept seems like an effective tool for gathering a group of people together to work on a specific subject. I'm primarily interested in contributing to areas related to Irish nationalism, and the Irish Republican Army, and I've noticed a few of you have quite a lot of involvement in the same area. So, I wonder if anyone would be interested in forming a WikiProject focusing on Irish Nationalism? Wikipeda:WikiProject Irish Republican Army seems like a good title to me! WP:WPIRA would be a great shortcut! I'm posting this up on many different pages, so I would especially appreciate it if, if you're interested, you would join me at User talk:Johnathan Swift#WikiProject IRA. Erin Go Bragh 06:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I.R.A. WikiProject?

message: I moved this to Óglaigh na hÉireann (CIRA splinter group) as it's a shorter and I think tidier name. Any objections with this, as I see people were discussing it before, feel free to bring it up. I just went ahead to WP:BB -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 14:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd really prefer Óglaigh na hÉireann (2006). I think it's shorter, and I believe that both groups wish to be disassociated from one another. They're not exactly playing on the same shinty team, though they're playing for the same goal. Something that doesn't reference CIRA. Erin Go Bragh 09:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO keeping the tag CIRA (Óglaigh na hÉireann (CIRA)) in the title might be better for disambiguation purposes.  The use of the term by the Provisional IRA and the Irish defence forces could make using a date confusing--Cailil 01:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears that the majority of ÓnaÉ's members actually split from the Real IRA. ÓnaÉ have been known to co-operate with the Continuity IRA.Naraic (talk) 17:33, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Part 1

message: What are the politics of this group and why did they split from the CIRA/RSF? Do they havea political wing, a newspaper, a website? HAve they issued any press releases?
Jdorney 23:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics? 

message: Merge this article with Continuity IRA?This group is not noticeable or important.They'll probably fade away and we'll be left with this article. Dermo69 15:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dermo, wiki is not a crystal ball, who knows what way this group will go.--Vintagekits 15:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're still not important in any way.Haven't killed anyone and only robbed a post office.Even look at the title. Dermo69 16:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

text: So who's for the merge then? Dermo69 20:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The CIRA have never killed anyone either, so far as I know. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 23:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No I don't they've killed anyone either.But at least most people have heard of the CIRA! And they've carried out several large bombings so they're noticeable. Dermo69 11:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Different organisation different article in my opinion. One Night In Hackney303 07:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The AfD proved that to be wrong, so I'm removing the merge tags. One Night In Hackney303 17:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The group has carried out several attacks against anti-social elements. The CIRA have killed people, and shortly so will ÓnaÉ.Naraic (talk) 17:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I heard that this group was involved in drug dealing, can anyone validate or dismiss this? If so this should be included in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.219.125 (talk) 13:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This may be a late response but all paramilitary groups in NI are involved in drug dealing to some degree even those that have branches that act against druggies (no doubt to protect their own trade). Mabuska (talk) 17:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever linking this group to drug dealing. Nor is there any evidence linking any Irish Republican groups (with the exception of the IPLO) to drug dealing, only loyalist groups. Mabuska should probably stop reading the Sunday World.--Baldeadly (talk) 00:22, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol i don't read the Sunday World its the biggest pile of bullcrap, though you shouldn't make comments about editors its against Wiki civility policy. Though do you have sources to back up your claims only loyalist groups are involved the drug business? Are you a member of this exact criminal group to 100% know that they don't? Mabuska (talk) 11:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Onus is on you to provide evidence that they are involved in drug-dealing. Regarding loyalist groups, I suppose the deaths of UDA leaders of drug overdoses and the fact that UVF and LVF leaders have spent time in prison over dealing is untrue? Could you name me one Republican paramilitary who spent time in prison for drugs offences? Didn't think so..--Baldeadly (talk) 22:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drug-dealing? 

message: I'm sorry Superfopp but sources for these claims are needed whether or not its basic Irish or not. To be included it needs verifiable real-world usage and not personal research. In regards to the translation fact tag - whilst it may translate as that, for Wikipedia a source should be provided. Northern Star (talk) 21:33, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added sources for the translation of Óglaigh na hÉireann. ~Asarlaí 21:49, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's much better. Northern Star (talk) 21:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: So does this article actually need a full list of actions by this criminal group? If so this articles length will go on and on getting into rediculous size. Would it not be better to summize it down into the major criminal actions it claims to have committed rather than every little bit of criminality they do? Mabuska (talk) 22:25, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of actions 

message: I propose we merge this article into Continuity IRA. It's quite short, it can't be expanded much, and I think it fails to meet the notability gidelines. During the group's three-year lifespan it was responsible for a few pipe bomb attacks, a few robberies, bomb hoaxes, and (maybe) one shooting. This could be summarized in a line or two. ~Asarlaí 14:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge (June 2013)