Talk:Evil Angels (film)

message: This article should be Evil Angels. It is the original title of the work that originates in an English-speaking country.--ZayZayEM 02:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Support using the Australian title of the film for an Australian film.  Lankiveil 02:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Agree, anyone want to request a move for the page Ansell 03:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How does Evil Angels (film) sound for a page, since there is already a disambiguation page and a page about Evil Angels in religious terms. Ansell 03:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully support moving this article to Evil Angels (film). This is the first time I've edited Wikipedia, so please be gentle with me! --GMan Sydney 11:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there was no disagreement regarding a rename of the article, I've moved it to Evil Angels (film). -- Longhair\talk 01:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alas, Wikipedia's naming conventions for films disagrees, and so do I - "If the film has been released under different titles within the English speaking world - if for example, some English-speaking countries prefer to use the native title (Australia, that's you), or if different translations are used in different countries - use the most common title throughout (indisputably A Cry in the Dark), and explain the other titles in the first or second sentence, putting each of them in bold." and "Titles of articles should be the most commonly used title for the following reasons...". This film was released as A Cry in the Dark in the majority of the English-speaking world.  You cannot even find a copy of it online in its native country (I've tried).  I do, however, have seven different copies of it from different countries in different formats, and they all use the majority title. Also, this is not a small native Australian title - The film was nominated for or won  awards at the Oscars (and not for foreign film), Golden Globes, People's Choice Awards, Cannes Film Festival, etc. under the majority English title.  (Incidentally, for Europe, the film's title was directly translated from A Cry in the Dark: Un cri dan la nuit, Ein Shrei in der Dunkelheit, Un grido nella notta, Un grito en la oscuridad).  The trend of trying to revert this film to its native title is a recent one that flies in the face of the vast majority of English-language magazine articles, reviews, blogs, discussions, etc., and most of the adherents to this view seem to be from Australia. --Brian Tristam Williams 02:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The policy you cite is is under the heading Foreign-language films thus referring to different English TRANSLATIONS of foreign language film titles. That's what it means by "native title", a title in a foreign language, not the "title used by non-American people whose opinions don't count".  Yes, "most of the adherents" to using the original title probably are Australian. Is that meant to be a criticism? You mention awards: It won an AFI, under the title "Evil Angels". AFI past winners.  The film was first released under the English title "Evil Angels". That's what was on the screens and posters in Australia. IMDB is often wrong, but on this they got it right. Barsoomian (talk) 03:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And I note that "Brian Tristam Williams" is the owner of  "acryinthedarkmovie.com",  which was linked into the article as the "official site" with this edit by an anonymous South African IP. The same place where the owner of acryinthedarkmovie.com lives according to WhoIs.  There is no sign that that site is "official" in any way, there is nothing there but a single movie poster. So I will delete that and will proceed to correct the article title. Barsoomian (talk) 03:28, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Change 

message: the film was nominated for three Australian Film Institute awards and won five: Best Film, Best Actor (Sam Neill), Best Actress (Meryl Streep), Best Director, and Best Adapted Screenplay....This makes no sense. Someone who is responsible for this article (and interested) needs to fix. Jeffpw 08:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nonsense

message: The important think that's being left out is how the case influenced our thinking about the adversarial-based justice system used in most countries.  Police investigators discarded and concocted evidence to make their case more winnable, because they "knew" she was guilty, when in fact she wasn't. Landroo 23:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal Ramifications 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Cry in the dark.jpg

message: I have scanned an excellent condition poster and uploaded it, replacing the somewhat faded, slightly illegible older poster. Someone reverted this change within 24 hours. I'd be happy to discuss with them, but, since they weren't logged in, only an IP address was left behind. They may have had one of two reasons for doing this: 
* They are the supplier of the lower-quality version, and don't want to see their submission replaced.  To this I'd say that the newer one is of indisputably higher quality and provides more information than the older one. The uploader of the original poster got it from the Internet Movie Poster Awards Gallery. It is no longer available there, as it has been replaced by the higher-quality version, which I supplied.
* There is concern about the new one being of high enough resolution to ruffle the studios' feathers. I would doubt this, as my submission is only 512x786.  You can get a 977x1500 version at the Internet Movie Poster Awards Gallery.
I see no reason to revert to a lower-quality version of the poster, and I've undone the change.  
I'd be glad to hear any other opinions on this - thanks.
"One man can make a difference." (talk) 19:58, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Briantw, I entirely agree with your assessment and considering the source of the disruption is a computer at a public library, please continue to insist on the use of the present image. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poster Update 

message: *Strong Oppose "Evil Angels" are the 1/3rd of the host of heaven that is confined to Hell. The term  should redirect to the disambiguation page Evil Angel. The redirect  redirects here though. 65.95.15.144 (talk) 04:50, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The section  of WP:NCF cited is clearly referring to "Foreign-language films", and it's under that section now at least. "Native title" refers to the title in the native (non-English, i.e. "foreign") language. Made even more obvious by the references to "translations". So that is all irrelevant to this case.  Barsoomian (talk) 09:15, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, which is why I said "Based on this the move was flawed" and placed "native title" in quotation marks. --AussieLegend (talk) 12:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

text: On this principle we could settle all such questions by just comparing Google results. Which would amount to always choosing  the currently preferred American name of anything. Where with general articles the "name" may be something that evolves with usage, with works like books and films they are created with a specific name. We don't start with a blank slate and consider "What would be the best name for this film?". We look at the (English) name it was released under; and unless there is a very good reason to use something else, that's the name of the WP article (plus perhaps some disambiguation like "film", "year"). And that's it. Barsoomian (talk) 10:06, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

text: *The "commonly known as in the English-speaking world" aspect as it applies to WP:NCF has been disputed at length as NCF applies to foreign language films. The WP:COMMONNAME application has been disputed in the post immediately above yours. The simple fact is that the film was based on subject natter from its original market, produced and released in its original market as "Evil Angels" and therefore that should beis the correct title. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:26, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Please discuss below

message: COMMENT Today is coincidentally Lindy Chamberlain's birthday. March 4, 1948 in Whakatane, New Zealand!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briantw (talk • contribs) 13:38, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And there you highlighted that the main player here (apart from the dingo) was  New Zealander. Should we add that to the confusion? HiLo48 (talk) 04:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: She came to Australia at the age of one.  Don't see how that affects anything under dispute here though. Barsoomian (talk) 05:50, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: When I lived in the NT I was considering opening a dingo farm next to Berrimah Prison. I know that it's totally irrelevant to the move proposal but it seems to fit this section like a glove. --AussieLegend (talk) 10:30, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthday

message: I made this edit because, according to this IMDb page the title 'Evil Angels' was used in Australia and New Zealand.  Elsewhere it was 'A Cry in the Dark' or a local translation of a similar phrase (eg: 'Krzyk w ciemnosci' = 'Scream in the darkness' according to Google translate).  Astronaut (talk) 12:40, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: In Evil Angels Lindy's mother, Avis Murchison, is played by the Australian actor Dorothy Alison (1925–1992; among her other memorable roles has been Douglas Bader's Nurse Brace in 1956's Reach for the Sky), and so her role in Evil Angels needs to be added below the heading "Cast" in Wikipedia's article.
IMDb's treatment of the movie is quietly waiting to help anybody who has the energy to improve that list of the cast, which at present is no better than perfunctory.
More generally I can't help thinking that the chaotic article has been assembled by a resident of the Moon and so needs to be rewritten.
Leigh Oats (talk) 00:53, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SOFIXIT Barsoomian (talk) 04:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast list cutely omits the revered actor who plays Lindy's mother 

message: Yet again, we have the locals insisting that something is a home grown production when the reality is it is not, culminating in a silly wiki fight to have the film known to 90% of the English speaking world getting called by a title only the locals know. Same as calling this an "Australian film" when it was optioned by an English production company (their first, in fact) who then went to an American studio to finance & distribute it. Even the international distribution was handled by an American company. "But, it was made in Australia!" So was "Phantom Menace," but I don't see it getting labeled Australian....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.248.214.103 (talk) 18:16, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: National Egos

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