Talk:Consider Phlebas

message: I got the impression that the Vavatch Orbital was not, in fact, a Culture Orbital. ie it was just a neutral Orbital. Certainly there was some stuff going on there that one can't imagine happening in Culture territory... Evercat 20:50, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you might be right.  I'll have to check.  The interlude with the Eaters strongly suggests that the orbital wasn't Culture in the full sense.  --Plumbago 08:41, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but not for the same reasons... I think that the Eaters' behaviour would have been condoned by the Culture's concepts of ultra-tolerence and personal-choice, though considered weird. However, the fact that there wasn't a Hub-Mind overseeing (and that the Vavatch Port-Control isn't at all 'omnipotent', in a field-manipulation sense), would imply that Vavatch wasn't up to full Culture level. -- Tom : Wed Sep  7 12:53:32 CEST 2005
But also the game of Damage. Evercat 12:22, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Also true (I'd forgotten about this).  I see you've made the appropriate changes.  Good idea.  --Plumbago 12:45, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: There's also the fact that the book specifically states that Vavatch was a neutral territory, agreed to be out of the war until the Idirans decided they were going to have to use it as a forward base after all, and the Culture decided they were going to have to blow it to grains of sand after all.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.9.13.229 (talk) 06:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Impression

message: Just finished the book and I have a question. Horza had a dream sequence where he awoke, spoke with his Idirian friend, he didn't seem to be remembering what the Idirian wanted him to remember and he crashes back into unconsciousness. We also have the fragment of the poem about hereditary assassins mentioned as the opening line of abook his dead Changer love interest had on the Dead World. This was in the epilogue. This same sentence was rattling around his brain without stop when we first meet him in the execution chamber. Is this all hinting at Horza being a brainwashed agent rather than acting of his own freewill? --Gmuir 16:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Horza, Who Was He, Really?

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message: This might count as "original research" but I think the structure of the novel, and not just the title, owes something to The Waste Land too.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markfiend (talk • contribs) 13:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Further parallels with [[The Waste Land]]

message: This section notes "Here he meets Balveda for the first time." 
I am fairly sure that Hozer states that he worked with Balveda while he impersonated a member of the gerontocracy. That is one of the reasons she was pleading to not have him killed. He also seems to state later in the book that he did not want to kill her because he worked with her for a long time. 
But I am too lazy to go back and find these points in the book. (I read it as an audiobook)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.58.13.49 (talk) 20:06, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have laziness disease as well, but H and B were in the gerontocracy court at the same time, but working on opposite sides even then. H is imprisoned but rescued by the Idirans who capture B at the same time. They were never working together. Greglocock (talk) 01:12, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary Question.  

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