Talk:Tim Keller (pastor)

message: insufficient context 68.19.129.143 01:06, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Context?

message: Having seen some contention in the edit history on whether or not to have a section for Tim Keller's theology, I did research and find the following, regarding his theologial influences. I personally don't think it needs to be part of the entry, but good to have here in the talk page.
"Keller was happily teaching at Westminster, the staunchly Reformed Philadelphia seminary, while working for his denomination, the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA). Two things happened. At Westminster, he came under the influence of a small band of urban missiologists led by Harvie Conn."http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/june/15.20.html?start=2 "... Keller follows closely behind C.S. Lewis whom, along with his wife and Jonathan Edwards, he counts as his primary theological influences." http://www.challies.com/archives/book-reviews/book-review-the-reason-for-god-by-tim-keller.php
"Keller’s ministry was one of my entry-points to the creation-affirming, holistic, civilisation-building theology ... a love for the Puritans, a generally Kuyperian slant on culture, a dedication to expository preaching, a certain degree of Anglophilia, a dash of Frame’s perspectivalism, love for the urban poor, and a passion for church-planting." http://peteincyberspace.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/free-sermons-from-tim-keller/
"It was Keller who introduced me ... to the idea from Luther that the gospel is both for our justification ... but also for our sanctification..." http://leadingchurch.com/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=415
"Keller has at his core has the Gospel message thereby showing his Lutheresque Cristocentric interpretation of scripture ... for Keller the Gospel message permeates all of this interpretation of scripture and almost every paragraph he writes. ... these guys are 5 point calvinists." http://mikeratliff.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/mistaken-notions-about-repentance/#comment-51786
djchuang (talk) 20:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theology 

message: This was deleted because it unnecessarily highlights one social issue that Tim Keller holds, above all others. Viewers may get the impression since it is singled out that this issue has a level of importance over other social issues held. Until we can have a more complete list, this should not be included on the main page. 
On social issues, Tim Keller has been described by Mark DeVine as a "doctrine-friendly" pastor noted for his "unashamed embrace of both orthodox theology and Christology..., clear identification of homosexuality as sin, and opposition to abortion on demand."Mark DeVine, “The Emerging Church: One Movement, Two Streams,” in Evangelicals Engaging Emergent: A Discussion of the Emergent Church Movement, eds. William Henard and Adam Greenway (Nashville, Tennessee: B&H Publishing Group, 2009), 17-18. He was quoted by Gay City News as saying "Homosexuality, prostitution, sex outside of marriage, and adultery all fall outside of what God says he has designed sex for... Homosexuality, the Bible teaches us, is not a design for human relationships." He argued that homosexuality was a "learned" behavior which could be changed "with great effort [and] with repentance".Duncan Osborne, “Hiding In Plain Sight: A Conservative Pastor Builds a Mega-Church In Manhattan," Gay City News, Jun.22-Jul.5 2011, 22.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.244.20.250 (talk) 04:41, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a great idea if there is enough content (with WP:RS to support it) to warrant an entire section. ReformedArsenal (talk) 17:06, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I will add such a section to the article which I hope will meet this requirement.CurtisNaito (talk) 18:47, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stance on social issues 

message: A heads up - there are a fair amount of broken links in the footnote section. 70.131.132.206 (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken links 

message: Keller was recently named to this list by Preaching magazine
http://www.preaching.com/resources/articles/11629162/page-5/
I believe it's worth adding to this entry, but not really sure where would be the best place...
Seanmeade 20:56, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The 25 Most Influential Pastors of the Past 25 Years" 

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message: I added the American Calvinist theologian tag back in after Jfhutson took it out. He is the author of several theological works, holds a doctorate from a theological school, and currently teaches adjunct as a theology professor. I'm not sure how much more of a theologian you can be. ReformedArsenal (talk) 13:56, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theologian Tag 

message: Keller's stance on the religious debate over the Harry Potter novels was noteworthy enough to have been reported on by secondary sources. Some of the groups mentioned in this very article that have endorsed Keller, like The Church Report for instance, are strong opponents of these novels so it's worthwhile to know his own views.CurtisNaito (talk) 06:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a clear example of undue weight. We have a section that outlines Keller's views on gay marriage, abortion, gender roles, evolution... and Harry Potter. This seems the odd one out in terms of important social/ethical/religious issues. It is not something that could be said to be a key point in Keller's preaching, teaching, writing or thought. The cited source is a local newspaper and thus rather weak. StAnselm (talk) 06:42, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In the source cited Keller seemed to think that it was significant. Wikipedia already has a very lengthy article about religious disputes over the Harry Potter novels and such extensive coverage of it on Wikipedia would not make sense if this were a non-issue. One short sentence is surely not undue weight.CurtisNaito (talk) 06:50, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harry Potter 

message: The source by DeVine provides a list of positions which Keller and other like-minded pastors subscribe to, including strongly-worded opposition to homosexuality and abortion which is noted earlier in the very same sentence. The source is not ambiguous about this so there's no reason to delete it. At any rate, even if it is true that the source does not mean what it explicitly says in no uncertain terms, the statement that Keller is noted for his opposition to homosexuality and abortion is even so factually true, as demonstrated by other citations, and therefore cannot possibly be deleted on grounds of libel. If there is a desire to not use the DeVine source for some reason, the alternative would be to simply use the other sources mentioned in the article.CurtisNaito (talk) 07:44, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made the DeVine description, and the homosexuality/abortion claim two separate sentences. I don't think we ought to separate "doctrine-friendly" and "emerging". He can be described as "emerging", but it should be said that he is on the doctrine-friendly end for appropriate context. StAnselm (talk) 08:02, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keller on social issues 

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message: Can someone add this book to the list of books at the end?
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