Talk:Nomic

message: I'm surprised that this page hasn't been more rigidly edited and improved. Perhaps we need to start giving D6 points for successful edits to either the article or talk page... --McGeddon 21:29, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we have some examples of what sort of rules a player might propose? I'm coming to this page having never heard of the game, and having read it I don't have a clear idea of how it would play. Foolish Mortal 22:14, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You can propose any rule whatsoever.  The limits are on whether the rule takes effect, originally determined by majority vote.
* I agree w/this editor that that would clarify the article.  In general, seems to me the only way to help a reader understand this game is an attempt at the most common moves in an attempted history of the game.  This is a very strange game.  Wikipedia should have a list of games considered strange, / unusually, that list should include how strange the game is considered to b (or rather a best guess @ such).  I LOVE the concept/existence of strange games!Slarty1 (talk) 05:08, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

text: You can do this yourself, if you start an article on the radio nomic.  All the available templates are described at Wikipedia:Disambiguation.   looks like what you're looking for.  — Laura Scudder ☎ 17:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Nomic? 

message: I'm requesting that a disambiguation page be created for "Nomic". I actually came here looking for something entirely different -- an Amateur Radio accessory made by West Mountain Radio called the Rigblaster Nomic (or NoMic, depending on who you ask). It's a device used to attach a radio to a computer which has become rather genericized. If you do a Google or other web search for "nomic," aside from results relating to the game which is the subject of this article, most of the other links will be radio related.
If not a full disambiguation page, perhaps at least we could put a "This is about the game "Nomic," if you're looking for information about the radio, see x," where x is a link to something amateur-radio related. -- Kadin2048 17:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can do this yourself, if you start an article on the radio nomic.  All the available templates are described at Wikipedia:Disambiguation.   looks like what you're looking for.  — Laura Scudder ☎ 17:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: I played the game with a small group.  We got bogged down.  Not in rules or rule making.  In waiting for the other players to take their turn.  In getting a required number of votes.  Still it went on long enough to become quite complex (another drawback, actually).  And few of us ever pretended to know what the current status of the rules were.  Regardless how "long" games have lasted in the past, these things seem to make the game self-limiting.
I came up with a variation called ETHICS.  The idea is that anyone may write a rule at any time, no turns, no votes.  All rules are open to discussion and will be understood as amended owing to the fact that any rule is necessarily in conflict with all other rules, such that only through discussion can there be group consensus, and whereby even rules assumed to be popular might nonetheless bring about discussions to the contrary.
I see this as an open ended game and one that builds community.  Those who are confused by the rules are no worse off than those who understand their inherent contradictions; and after all, it is the enforcement of them -- in this case through group awareness -- which makes such "no rule" rules binding.
* Is ur game different somehow from the actual history of ethics as a subject of philosophy?  Have u mentioned this game to make peeps wonder just exactly that?  I suspect u r a meddling philosopher.  I LOVE meddling philosophersSlarty1 (talk) 05:22, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anecdotes 

message: I played an online game of Nomic in 1982 at Carnegie Mellon University, played using the university e-mail and bboard network.  This must be one of the earliest such games ever played. --Dtobias 18:08, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online Nomic 

message: Any objections to removing the initial (Suber) ruleset and adding an external link to it instead? 29 rules seems a bit much for an encyclopedia article, especially when many Nomics use a variant ruleset anyway. Elysion 03:03, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a problem with that. --Vik Reykja ♬ 03:12, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial Ruleset 

message: Nomic sounds very similar to a game called Cambridge Standard 5 Card Mao, which seems to be popular in the geek / Linux / Debian community based in and around Cambridge in the UK. Has anyone come across this? Does the name in fact refer to Cambridge, England, or to Cambridge, Ma.?
*'Mao' @ Everything2
Mao also has a Wikipedia page. --McGeddon 21:22, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cambridge Standard 5 Card Mao 

message: Wasn't there a nomic Discordian card game? I can't remember the date, but it might predate the one Hofstadter delineated in his column. --Maru  (talk) Contribs 06:38, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's existance is rumored, but no confirmed reports have been found.  It your duty to find a url proving it's existance, or create such a url.  Good luck.  Mathiastck 21:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Discordianism]] 

message: "Agora has been running since 1993"  -  This is the only reference to Agora in the article... what is it, and why has it been running since 1993? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.103.142.226 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 29 January 2007
:It's a game of Nomic. The full sentence is "Games of Nomic sometimes last for a very long time - Agora has been running since 1993." --McGeddon 17:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agora 

message: Would the board game Bonkers qualify as nomic?  I was thinking of linking it back to this article. B7T 03:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't look like it's quite a pure Nomic; not all rules are changeable.  Certain aspects of the game board can change based on cards played on it, so it's got a degree of mutability not found in typical board games, but it's still not freely alterable the way Nomic is. *Dan T.* 03:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bonkers (board game)|Bonkers]]? 

message: The article holds that the game's ruleset was first published by Douglas Hofstadter in his Metamagical Themas column in Scientific American in the early 80s.  I clearly remember the game discussed years earlier by Hofstadter's predecessor Martin Gardner in Gardner's Mathematic Games column in the sam publication.  Unfortunately I don't have my collection of SAs fro the 60s and 70s any longer.  Can anyone verify that somehow?  It may have been a game under a differently name, but the rules were the same. --69.193.103.250 (talk) 00:30, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You might try looking at old issues at library in your area. SlowJog (talk) 15:22, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin

message: In one academic paper, Masaomi Hatakeyama and Takashi Hashimoto pare down the rules of nomic to a minimal subset to study rule dynamics.  I believe this would be a notable addition to the variants section, especially since it simplifies the initial ruleset while explaining its rationale for every rule it kept. --Havvy (168.156.154.52 (talk) 20:29, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minimum Nomic 

message: there was no stated reason for the tag, no relevant discussion here on the talk page. typically, i find that when i want others to do my own work, the bare minimum required is telling them what to do. Cheers. Jay Dubya (talk) 20:23, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup tag removed 

message: There are two sites I would like to add this page as external links.
First is nomic.net, a website that has been online a long time that contains documentation of lots of nomic games from about 1996-2001.
Second is nomic.club, a wiki, launched last year, that is primarily focused on documenting newer dead nomic games and currently active games. I'm a frequent contributor to nomic.club. I write lots of essays about nomic games I've participated in under the name Trigon.
Seeing as only a few nomic games are actually linked in this page, I feel like having a good database of nomic games, both new and old, would be helpful to prospective players.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CodeTriangle (talk • contribs) 18:25, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks for the suggestions. I would take a look at Wikipedia's criteria for inlcusion of external links, particularly WP:ELNO, and weigh both your suggestions heavily against all the criteria in them. It's my inexpert opinion that ELNO:10 11 and 12 would likely disclude these as by your description, they are both fan sites and/or external wikis. But it's great that you're asking here on the talk page to gather consensus first. Elfabet (talk) 12:10, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding different nomic sites