Talk:The Flintstones

message: The infobox is no place to include information about the proposed (and as yet unproduced) Fox revival series. If the series is even made - the article itself says it's been postponed indefinitely so it was way premature to include anything in the infobox anyway - the series will get its own separate article. I have sliced out all the inappropriate material from the Infobox. 70.72.215.252 (talk) 14:38, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed revival 

message: *I copy the dicussion from Wikipedia:Reference desk, because it may be useful. --王小朋友 (talk) 03:43, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, though the precise date at which they would enter (if ever) varies depending on exactly how the work is classified.  For example, if considered as work for hire and without other mitigating factors, episodes would begin entering the public domain in 2055. — Lomn 13:15, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: My theory is that the OP is asking because the early, pre-1964 episodes would have had to have had their copyrights actively renewed to still be in copyright. But it's very hard to research renewals with much assurance — you usually hire a lawyer for this sort of thing unless it is very obvious. I don't know how serialized television show episodes are handled, for example, or whether the fact that sound recordings are handled differently matters. --Mr.98 (talk) 13:29, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Google Books may have the list.  Does it mean that it is renewed? --王小朋友 (talk) 14:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Cartoons fall under US Trademark law, which means that they do not enter the public domain as long as they remain an active trademark.  The earliest case I can think of that recognizes this is Fisher v. Star 231 NY 414 (1921). Gx872op (talk) 15:19, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not strictly true -- the Fleischer Superman cartoons are widely recognized as being in the public domain now... AnonMoos (talk) 17:22, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

text: I agree, I don't think that's right at all. Trademark and copyright law are quite different in any case. The Superman cartoons are a good example of this — the character of Superman is still covered by trademark law, but that doesn't mean copyright law still extends over the original cartoons. It just changes what you can do with them. The issue of trademarks and copyrights when applied to cartoons is complicated, as this legal paper discusses. Again, I wouldn't try to make sense of this sort of thing without consulting an actual lawyer. --Mr.98 (talk) 20:13, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Several Bugs Bunny cartoons are widely considered to be in the public domain, even though the character isn't, because nobody renewed copyright on them.  Lots of companies have used non-renewed cartoons such as Falling Hare in VHS and DVD releases, apparently without royalty, so it would seem that their copyright lawyers have judged it safe to consider them PD.  Nyttend (talk) 16:37, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Archive) Is earlier episodes of ''The Flintstones'' in public domin? 

message: In the ro:Familia Flintstone is a very nice picture,  Flintstone-family.jpg, unfortunately not available on Commons.  I am not an expert om  fixing that, but it would be nice to have it here.  Hafspajen (talk) 11:51, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: is there any references to cite the charter's ages tbh fred flintstone doesnt look 29 he looks like hes in his late 30's it looks like original research. 86.3.137.58 (talk) 21:19, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And Mr. Slate is 30? The Grand Poobah is 38 and Uncle Tex is 65? I smell mischief. These ages should come out if they can't be given a citation. PurpleChez (talk) 19:18, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  character ages 

message: From the last paragraph of the History and production section:
:"After its cancellation, The Flintstones became the first primetime animated series to last more than two seasons.[26]"
Considering that The Flinstones began in 1960, why would it wait until 1966 to become the first to last more than two seasons?  This would have occurred about 1963.
The cited source's link is dead.  I found the new location at:  http://www.museum.tv/eotv/cartoons.htm
I found archives of the original at:  https://web.archive.org/web/20101204175107/http://www.museum.tv/eotvsection.php?entrycode=cartoons
However, after reviewing both the new link and a number of archives from varying dates, I found nothing concerning when the Flintstones became the first to last more than two seasons. Therefore, I'm tagging the statement for Failed Verification. Downstrike (talk) 16:31, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "This record wasn't surpassed by another primetime animated TV series until the seventh season of The Simpsons in 1995/1996."
Why does it take seven seasons of The Simpsons to surpass three seasons of The Flintstones? Would the record not have been broken upon the premiere of the FOURTH season of The Simpsons? 64.222.162.61 (talk) 21:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Meh, I've removed the claim because I can't find verification for it, and it doesn't even make sense. If someone else thinks it's true, feel free to add it back with a reputable source. Missimack (talk) 22:03, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illogical, Unsupported Statement 

message: The Barbera quote starts with:
"Here we were with a brand new thing that had never been done before, an animated prime-time animated show."
Was the word "animated" used twice in the original quote?
173.161.16.17 (talk) 18:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barbera quote correct? 

message: The current article states that "The melody [to 'Meet the Flintstones'] is derived from part of the 'B' section of Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 17 Movement 2, composed in 1801/02." The citation here is to "Rechmann in Recital" from the Apple iTunes store; I'm assuming this is a performance of the Beethoven piece, but I'm unsure. I don't deny the musical similarity -- that is what led me to the page in the first place. However, I do wonder if there are any reliable sources that confirm that the Flintstone's theme was indeed "derived" from Beethoven's theme, rather than the resemblance being inadvertent. Are there any quotes from the original composer indicating this as a basis or inspiration? The  specific article for the theme song only has "the melody is believed to have been inspired by", which is a much weaker formulation. PublicolaMinor (talk) 03:47, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beethoven and 'Meet the Flintstones' 

message: I was trying to find out who sang "Meet the Flintstones" and then found it to be performed by the Randy Van Horne Singers. The Randy Van Horne Singers also performed "The Jetsons Theme". I think that should be mentioned here and on the Jetsons page as well. RikkiAaron (talk) 06:02, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theme Song 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Am I alone in feeling the Overview section is rather poor? It goes into detail three times how the series portrays animals powering most things and cars being powered by foot power; yet doesn't mention any of the basics of the character set-up and drive of the series, such as Fred and Barney's friendship and most episodes focusing on them getting involved in some caper or get-rich-quick scheme? Section is repetitively over-detailed in some areas yet doesn't mention the basics. Thought I'd see what others thing before plowing in and changing it. 
2A00:23C5:D280:4900:3C0D:FBAC:C7A0:F7EF (talk) 10:06, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overview of series 

message: The section sub-titled "Overview" could state that the theme song describes the Flintstones as "the modern Stone Age family". Vorbee (talk) 08:19, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern Stone Age family

message: Broadcast on color TV ?? Was "The Flintstones" a) made in color, and b) broadcast in color as early as 1960? That would be incredible. In 1960, lots of TV stations across the country did not have the equipment to broadcast in color, and a low percentage of households had color TV sets, even in the United States & Canada.
I read today that in Australia, they did not have any color TV broadcasts (of anything) until 1975 (!). They started experimentally in the U.S. in 1955, for such special events as the Rose Parade in Pasadena, Calif., because Los Angeles County had lots of "high rollers" who could afford color TV sets. Not true in such places as San Antonio, St. Louis, Sacramento, Seattle, Salt Lake City, South Dakota, South Carolina, Springfield, and Saskatchewan. 
By the way, the first TV station of any kind between St. Louis and California was in Salt Lake City, beating out such places as Kansas City, Omaha, Oklahoma City, Denver, Albuquerque, Phoenix, and Las Vegas. Also, the first TV station of any kind in Canada was in Montreal in 1952. It began by broadcasting part of the day in French and part of the day in English. Since about 1965, Montreal has many English & French stations.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.77.8 (talk) 09:35, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This says the first show on ABC in color. It doesn't say where they got it and it doesn't quite meet Wikipedia's definition of reliable.— Vchimpanzee •  talk • contributions •  20:27, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broadcast on color TV ?? 

message: I was requested to include sources so I did; however many of the sources are newpapers or TV programmes from the 60's from Hungary and there is no online version, and most of the are in Hungarian, obviously. Along the external sources the best aggregated information about the topic is probably in the Hungarian Wikipedia, but it's not a source in enwp-sense. Still, I would be glad if you English-speaking folks would find better sources in English, there are plenty but I have limited time to read them all. 
By the way not just the script was rhyming: all the names and lots of things were named in rhymes, like "Fred and Barney" became "Fredi and Beni", and even the title was translated into rhyming Hungarian: "Frédi és Béni, avagy a két kőkorszaki szaki" (rhymes emphasized). This is partially explained in the second part of  (english).
I wanted to show examples but... I am not good enough in poetry-translation. --grin ✎ 09:00, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the Hunagrian dubbed version 

message: The main article states that Fred was a member of the "Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes", paralleling the "Loyal Order of Moose" but it is just as likely it was intended to parody the UK masons "The Royal Antediluvial Order of Buffaloes"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.65.169 (talk) 21:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fred and the Loyal Order of Buffaloes 

message: While the article not all that long at about 68 kilobytes, I believe it suffers from trying to be both an article on the original series and a franchise article. There's an awful lot of content after the series information that would probably be better off in a separate article about the franchise. At this point, I'm just trying to gage interest from the regular editors of the article before formally proposing a split. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 23:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds like a good idea. Aoi (青い) (talk) 20:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I've begun a draft at Draft:The Flintstones (franchise). Any help would be appreciated. BilCat (talk) 22:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Franchise article 

message: Cigernette lighters are two sticks rubbing against each other; guns [rifles/pistols] are simple wood frames which propell rocks either by slingshot or catapult. 72.49.39.250 (talk) 13:31, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stone age parody