Talk:Aaliyah (album)

message: Sorry but I really don't understand this paragraph (what do you mean?):
The album spent 188 weeks on the Billboard 200, making them a women's record time in the charts with an album (188 weeks) and more than one (while) (I Care 4 U with that until the exit "Aaliyah" was with 94 weeks and had already left the Billboard 200 for over 1 year) with 282 weeks. The record was passed in 2009 with Taylor Swift (283 weeks and two albums) and in 2010 for herself album with 189 weeks  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.17.207.143 (talk) 00:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
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message: This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it.  Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed.  I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy.  In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright.  If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally.  Thanks. ---J.S (t|c) 07:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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message: please do not change it is r&b/alternative metal not pop or hip hop soul it is a dark album —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.100.213 (talk) 17:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: Promote "More Than a Woman" on GermanTV ??  i read this.. is this true & which station?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.9.120.91 (talk) 13:34, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
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message: The previous album cover image was of higher resolution than the actual cover, so I replaced it when moving my version of the article from my sandbox. As for the other images, both are freely licensed (am I wording that right?) images, so there should be more leeway when using them. The first is an image of a recording locations of the album's, and the second is merely a supplement in the middle of three sections that are only prose, blank/lacking anything illustrative. Dan56 (talk) 17:00, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I finally found on Wikipedia:Non-free content about using low resolution, but an explanation would have been helpful, and I am not going to argue further about it.  As for the free images, just because they are free does not necessarily mean they should be used.  With that rationale, we could add a lot more images to the article.  What do these images actually add to the understanding of the album?  The outside of a building that houses the recording studio, among other rooms, that was one of three recording studios used in the album.  A picture of the actual studio or if it was the only recording studio used might make sense.  The image is also located at Manhattan Center, which the article links to twice, once in the infobox and once in the recording section.  Would it be acceptable to put images of the other two recording studios if they were found?  By your own explanation, the image of Aaliyah simply illustrates the article, which then in my opinion means it does not add any information to the article.  If it is being used to show what she looked like it would not be needed because most editors who would happen upon this article would already know what she looks like and if not, the album cover shows what she looks like and there are multiple links to her article that also contains an image of her.  I will not remove these images unless there is consensus that the images are not needed. Aspects (talk) 17:27, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, it would, but I couldnt find any free images of other studios at Commons or Flickr. The only problem I had with writing this article was appropriate images. Primary contributors like Static Major and Bud'da have no usable images of them. I have encountered the issue of an article lacking images/media in GA/FA reviews, so I added those two. And yes like I said before, the image of Aaliyah is only used to break up the monotony with the last three body sections. I hope to get this article nominated to FA, so if this comes up again there, I hope it wont be a problem, image or no image. Dan56 (talk) 17:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I was asked on my talk page to comment here. Cover art passes WP:NFCC as long as it is low resolution (like it is here at 300x300). The building that houses the recording studios is welcome in this article as long as it is PD as it is.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR)  19:17, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
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message: Will Missy's name be allowed to be recorded in the last sentence of the opening paragraph: "Aaliyah worked primarily with Blackground's in-house crew of writers and producers, including..." seeing that she did serve as a writer for the album. AllMusic has also credited her as a composer/writer. WillieLimpD (talk) 03:26, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Read this article's Recording section. Elliott's only contribution was writing the lyrics of a song that was originally recorded in sessions for One in a Million in 1996. She was not enlisted as a writer for this album, that song was just revisited by Aaliyah. Dan56 (talk) 04:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Production credits

message: It's important include the alternate name, "The Red Album" with this title.  It would be great if it could be added to the overall heading of the article.  Aaliyah, herself, refers to the album this way in several interviews, and google cites it over 5 million times.  It is similar to the commonly used "White Album," for the Beatles self-titled album.
Best
Ethan82 (talk) 21:31, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No other reliable source uses this phrase (GoogleBooks, News). Including one writer's nickname for the album in the lead would be undue weight (MOS:INTRO). If the assertion that this album is "also known as The Red Album" is not a fringe theory, it should be supported broadly by reliable sources in the relevant field. For example, when looking through books on Aaliyah (such as bios and profiles) at GoogleBooks, I found no mention of a "red album". Dan56 (talk) 21:53, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Thank you Dan56!  That makes sense.  It's so commonly used when discussing the album, but I can see that no major sources use it officially.  Thanks again.  
Best, Ethan82 (talk) 13:37, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

text: It wasn't erroneously listed. It's clearly cited here, attributed to Allmusic's article ("received excellent reviews"). It was agreed upon in this article's featured-article review that "highly positive" would be more formal language than "excellent". Dan56 (talk) 21:22, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Red Album 

message: In this article it hardly if ever states the album's achievements before Aaliyah's death. The album was her first top 5 album and her biggest first week sales of her career at that point. That's an honorable achievement that deserves to be mentioned in the article and I see no reason why it was changed even with a reliable source.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dboy4100 (talk • contribs) 00:00, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Third-party sources that makes that observation determines whether being her first top-5 (why 5?) album is noteworthy. Part of the threshold for inclusion in an article is that a reliable source has published this observation, which both verifies it's validity and proves it's notable, rather than one of us observing it ourselves. The latter detail about first-week sales is clearly mentioned in the article's Commercial performance section. Dan56 (talk) 01:00, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

text: It's not sales-slash-shipments, it's shipments to retailers rather than actual sales from those retailers that is the basis for the RIAA's certified awards (List of music recording certifications). And the RIAA gives out these awards on their own schedule (see their database for how I Care 4 U was given both gold and platinum records on the same date). Their awards, not indicators of much (maybe projected demand); put more stock in Nielsen SoundScan and actual sales. Dan56 (talk) 01:00, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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message: this album is not a neo soul album show me evidence that's states that this album is a neo soul album I provided my evidence that this is a pop album  on july 12th 2001 the guardian  said Aaliyah's raunchy latest is a perfect fusion of pop and R&B, on july 20th 2001 
 entertainment.ie reviewed the album and said that this efficient blend of funky pop and edgy dance rhythms on july 20th 2001
: , at the end of the sentence that begins with "An R&B and neo soul album...", there is the footnote [30] that includes references to page 328 of Werner's book, which includes Aaliyah in the "starter kit" of records in neo soul. Additionally, the Chicago Tribune is cited in this article's Critical reception section as calling the album's music neo soul. Neo soul is also referenced in the third paragraph of the Legacy section. Dan56 (talk) 02:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  entertainment.ie refers to its rhythms as "funky pop and edgy dance". Please research the the most reliable sources available on the topic rather than anything you can find that mentions "pop" in the same sentence as this album. Dan56 (talk) 02:19, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  You obviously didn't read the Chicago Tribune if you are still arguing this same line of nonsense. Dan56 (talk) 02:23, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

text: "Im going to need"? First of all, there's no need for an arrogant tone here. Second of all, BBC's Daryl Easlea in #Legacy verifies "neo soul" (), as does the book by Craig Hansen Werner I mentioned earlier. If you don't agree with either Werner, Easlea, or Brad Cawn from the Chicago Tribune, then that's just tough. Genres are concrete facts, but subjective interpretations (WP:SUBJECTIVE) Dan56 (talk) 02:36, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

text: Its fine. Dan56 (talk) 02:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
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message: hey  Dan56  on may 27th 2016 a bot modified 4 external links on Aaliyah (album) and now the 4 links doesn't work but they were working perfectly fine until that bot made an edit we need to restore those 4 links to its original form so the can work properly again Mulaj (talk) 22:16, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
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message: , I didn't read the entirety of the wall-of-a message you left at my talk page. You've been on Wikipedia long enough to know you have to cite reliable sources to verify whatever it is you want to add or change in an article. Once again, you haven't done that; I've reverted you. The burden is on you to cite a source verifying the changes you want to make, not on me (WP:BURDEN). Please don't turn this into an edit war. Obviously you have a reason for believing what it is you believe, so please cite the source of whatever knowledge you'd like to share with the readers of this article--a website? A book? A magazine article?--rather than questioning the sources currently cited in the article. They remain more than anything you've offered so far in terms of evidence or proof. Keep in mind, this is a featured article that underwent a thorough review, of its sources and its information. Dan56 (talk) 03:30, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
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replies: text: Okay. I've added a footnote beside the sentence indicating the two release dates. isento (talk) 17:33, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
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message: , I'd like to work on this with you, but I'm not home now. I realize a few of the single dates are not verified within this article, so let me know which sources you can provide to verify them. I know the date for We Need a Resolution is cited in this article's marketing and sales section. Piotr Jr. (talk) 20:25, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single dates 

message: Moonlighttt, I am opening this thread to discuss your proposed changes to the album's release information. Piotr Jr. (talk) 15:14, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw you had linked the Empire company to an article on a company of that name, but then undid it. Is the link accurate? Piotr Jr. (talk) 15:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

text: You said in your edit summary that the "international version" wasn't digital, yet the source shows the format to be mp3s and the songs appearing available for purchase that way. Piotr Jr. (talk) 15:37, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

text: You should restore the link then. It is helpful to readers, definitely not disruptive. Piotr Jr. (talk) 16:09, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

text: I would assume the media you are referring to has been Western/American media which often sensationalizes or phrases things from their point of view, which would overlook something like this edition being available abroad. Piotr Jr. (talk) 16:09, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

text: If Amazon is used elsewhere, that is also not ideal sourcing. WP:ALBUMAVOID names Amazon as an example of online retailers being avoided as sources. Along with the explanation offered there, I will add that companies that play a role in the purchase of a product have a conflict of interest and as such are not the most reliable. Piotr Jr. (talk) 16:09, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

text: I think we should tread lightly here and just wait till it happens. Aaliyah's estate issued a statement yesterday claiming the planned rerelease is "unauthorized". Piotr Jr. (talk) 16:09, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits regarding the album's release and rerelease 

message: You are misattributing the point of comparison. "Slower" is attributed to "start," not "total." You need to cite a source that actually mentions the sales. Chart numbers are not entirely based on sales and are more an accumulated measure of a record's popularity. Piotr Jr. (talk) 15:07, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already attributed this as a point of view from the writer (i.e. ). The Guardian remains a prominent news source, and the album's diminishing sales up to the time of her death is sourced in Billboard as well, if you read the section. Furthermore, album sales were known to have boomed in the 1990s and then declined in the 2000s, as documented at Album era. So it is very likely those chart numbers you are pointing to are inflated or misleading. Piotr Jr. (talk) 19:22, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit warring over sales start 

message: I know it's a featured article and anything but I think the sources should have a layout is a bit easier from readers who might not understand. I been making test edits at my sandbox lately and this how the article look like without making an enormous mess of it . This is just my opinion. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 09:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: What is there to misunderstand? Not only does the Harvard citation template render more attractively (as opposed to cite clutter with ref tagged citations), but it also allows us to cite individual pages from say a book source that is referenced more than once. Piotr Jr. (talk) 21:11, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was making an suggestion, editors such as Moonlighttt who are new to Wikipedia might not understand the layout and try to change the format. The reason why I saying this because I see you have get in some edit conflict with editors who changing the article's format and end up making an enormous mess of it. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 23:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Okay, I just leave the article as it is. glad to see you back again. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 06:28, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation style 

message: Hey, you guys, so it has come to my attention that the "Aaliyah" album certifications do not add up anywhere near 13 million. From the provided certifications, the album only adds up to a little over 3 million. I think we should find a source with a lower album claim, since there are albums on wiki, with higher certifications with lower album claims than this one. Also, let me say this, in no way shape or form am I trying to come after the singer, but we must be fair among all artist.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miaxh (talk • contribs) 23:41, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the actual article. The claim is attributed to a reliable source. And the listed body of countries/certifiers do not account for the entire world... Piotr Jr. (talk) 17:08, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album Sales 

message: After reading many reviews of the album, I think the music and lyrics section should be expanded and discuss every song from the album. Songs like the album's lead single are not addressed in that section. I noticed that every song got practically reviewed, and many reviewers either identified each song by genre or identified instrumentals/other sounds used on those tracks. Many reviewers would even break down the meaning of certain songs. Overall, since there is a lot of information provided through reviews, this section should discuss the album in its entirety, not just select songs.
OkIGetIt20 (talk) 22:42, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, work on your sloppy editing. You have miss up the article's formatting yet again. I don't have to clean up every time you make an edit in this article. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 22:59, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all you better watch your tone with me! you don't have to be rude. Second of all I don't intentionally mess up the formatting, the formatting is actually difficult to learn, because a lot of the articles I edit don't use that formatting. third of all if you're not going to respond to this request then you can go on about your day or night. OkIGetIt20 (talk) 23:21, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

text: @TheAmazingPeanuts First of all you better watch your tone with me! you don't have to be rude. Second of all I don't intentionally mess up the formatting, the formatting is actually difficult to learn, because a lot of the articles I edit don't use that formatting. third of all if you're not going to respond to this request then you can go on about your day or night OkIGetIt20 (talk) 23:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maybe I was a little harsh to you and I sorry. Just make sure you don't add the same sources that are already in the article and be a little more careful. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 01:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: it's fine and I fixed the formatting. you can double check if I did it correctly. OkIGetIt20 (talk) 01:57, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The format is correct, good job on that. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 02:09, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Music and lyrics section should be expanded