Talk:Sleeping Beauty

message: In the music section, A Perfect Circle have a song named sleeping beauty written from the perspective of a prince that didn't manage to]] wake her up. This is the first time i'm contributing to a page here so i don't know how to go about it. its verifiable by the fact that its on their album mer de noms and thats how the lyrics go. - tourettic.
I'm sorry to see this good format chopped up with "HeaderSs" for three-line "subsections." I don't want to revert, because I may just be fussy. Wetman 17:37, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: In my view the page is already becoming rather "heavy" as it is: if more illustrations are added I'd suggest to split it up. Anyway, I suppose "begging for illustrations" is better done on the discussion page. --Francis Schonken 19:28, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: How brief is the attention span I wonder? An entry Sleep perhaps and another Beauty? Notes in the entry aren't intrusive: they simplyremind the reader that Wikipedia is a work in progress. Wetman 20:07, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding ''This entry is begging for more illustrations. Just insert them.'' 

message: I have done some minor copy editing, added missing links, removed redundant links, and reworded few sentences, mostly in the Walt Disney's Sleeping Beauty section. Please compare this section to the last version  to see if nothing important was lost in the process. It may still need some polishing. Rafał Pocztarski 04:13, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy editing

message: I've removed the Spoiler Warning inserted 15:41, 28 Sep 2004. The humor of it must be played after four months. Let them add spoiler warnings to the Book of Job instead— and "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer": I've always wondered how that came out. (Wetman)
:Someone else removed the "spoiler" warnings and was furiously reverted by User: Goldfritha with the misleading and rather inflammatory edit summary "reverting ethnocentric vandalism."  Whoa! Something cuts mysteriously deep in this—well, "deep" is relative in this case, isn't it? Some anonymity editing previously thinks "ALL plot summaries should have spoiler warnings"—such as at Book of Revelation no doubt? I for one would be highly entertained by a brief (fifty words or less) explanation of why spoiler warnings are considered an advantage to the "Sleeping Beauty" article. Who is being protected from disappointment at having the surprise spoiled, one wonders? --Wetman 01:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What harm does the tag do?  And it is ethnocentric to assume that all readers of this article are familiar with the story.  Goldfritha 02:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not very, just adult. --Wetman 07:13, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: snort  Tell me the end of "Peach Boy" without looking it up if you want to claim it's adult.  Goldfritha 14:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler warning

message: More than many fairy tales, Sleeping Beauty partakes of many deep European myths, both pagan and Christian.
All right -- what's a deep European myth?  How does it differ from the shallow ones?  Why does Sleeping Beauty partake of these myths?  Who counted and how were they able to count?  Goldfritha 01:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, then, out it goes.  Goldfritha 16:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol on the "deep" myth, but what about Brynhild and Sigurd? There is some similarity there in the sleep part, anyway. I've always thought them linked. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 20:02, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not unlike the Greek myth of Selene and Endymion, is it? Apart from the genders being reversed, which happens with the moon deity in Greek/Italic compared to Germanic.Walshie79 (talk) 20:53, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Deep European myths

message: Perrault transformed Basile's tale almost past recognition?  I can recognize it easily and so can anyone who compares the story given by the links.  Anyone got a reference to make that claim?  Goldfritha 03:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Out it goes, then.  Goldfritha 00:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Basile

message: These characters are in a fairy tale and not a Greek myth.  It is therefore inappropriate to link them to the Greek gods of dawn and day.  Goldfritha 00:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: L'Aurore and Le Jour

message: Ok, while the Prince having sex with the Princess while she's in a coma would be rape in real life, was it seen as rape in the fairy tale? --DrBat (talk) 13:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial question 

message: It is not described as such in Basile's original tale. (The citation links to the entire story, but the rape is within the first few paragraphs.) Still, as she could not consent, it doesn't matter whether or not it was viewed as rape at the time of Basile's writing, it is undeniably so. Munin and hugin (talk) 10:01, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is rape 

message: In the original version, Sleeping Beauty(Though I call her Aurora) was raped and she had two kids. But now it changed to be more child-friendly.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.176.36 (talk) 14:33, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison 

message: Regarding "it is undeniably so" (quoted from Munin and Hugin, above), I disagree.  It isn't rape.  The action is undeniably fitting a common modern definition of rape: sex without pre-provided consent.  However, if it "<EM>is</EM>" rape, that implies present tense.  The story was written long ago, involving people from a culture quite different than modern times.  Regarding whether this <EM>was</EM> rape, I doubt this was viewed as a super-horrific crime, as the story doesn't treat it as such.  If, instead of defining rape as a violation of a pre-written law, we define it as a violation of the person's rights according to culture expectations, the story's handling of the topic still suggests this wasn't a terrible violation.  If we define rape as a violation of the rights that a person should have, this story's action might not be significantly worse than many of the other common actions from that era (which are actions that many people today would declare to be atrocities according to our modern morals).  If we aren't ready to declare the general population to be "rapists" due to widespread arranged marriages and a lack of feminine rights, we might not have grounds to use such a criminalizing term for this one person's actions either.  Regardless of whether a person is more prone to ultimately forgive or condemn the visiting royalty, there seems to be sufficient evidence that this isn't a case of the guilt being universally "undeniably so". 174.21.234.52 (talk) 21:00, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examining Views 

message: At this time, at least, the recounting of Perrault's version of the tale, Part 2, seems to be missing something. There's no mention of why the Queen Mother had to be "satisfied" with a hind (with souce Robert), nor why, or for whom, she prepared a pit of vipers. Did somebody chop something important out without bothering to rewrite the article for clarity? rowley (talk) 17:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perrault's synopsis is kind of chopped 

message: "while it has been observed that "comparisons of this statuesque blonde to the contemporaneous Barbie doll are difficult to avoid,"
This is nonsense, I have seen the movie many times and at no point did Aurora remind me of Barbie. Can we please leave the dumb psychobabble out of Wikipedia?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.121.58.124 (talk) 20:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaningless quote 

message: Some notes:
- The first paragraph reads: "story of an ok princess called Hellen and an ugly prince". First, I can't remember any accounts of the prince in this story being ugly and even so, his uglinness wouldn't be relevant for the tale overall. Beyond that, the "an ok princess" statement hurts the style guidelines. 
- I can't remember the name of the princess, but was she actually called Helen by any means?
- The reference to Charles Perrault appears of a sudden in the second paragraph of this article, not previously cited as author, thus appearing the text to have been chopped off in the very beggining. 
These seem to me as evidencess of this article been slightly defaced for the sake of some internal joke by a couple individuals, but I'm not sure and leave it up to you who have read the originals to make any possible corrections.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.19.56.17 (talk) 17:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defaced article? 

message: I don't like this being here: 
Alex Flinn's A Kiss in Time is a modern version of Sleeping Beauty, in which Talia, princess of Euphrasia, touches a spindle, falling into a deep sleep for three-hundred years. She wakes to the kiss of an American boy named Jack, on a tour of Europe. Since everyone in her kingdom is angry at her for touching the spindle, she persuades Jack to take her back to his Miami home, where she enters a modern world, replete with South Beach models and Jell-O shots. A humorous fish-out-of-water romance, Booklist magazine said in their review that "[f]ans of Meg Cabot’s Princess Diaries and Gail Carson Levine’s Ella Enchanted (1997) will embrace this charming, lightweight fantasy." Publishers Weekly called the book, "clever and humorous," while HornBook magazine called it "satisfying."
I don't have any problem with listing it as one of the adaptations, but particularly the bolded part is just advertising. Does anyone have a rationale for keeping it? KConWiki (talk) 05:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Not here to praise Alex Flinn book

message: - there aren't any references made to the book beauty by Sherry S tepper, was broadly but surely based on sleeping beauty.
it's a great book if someone decides to read it and add it into the page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fictionalnostalgia (talk • contribs) 10:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beauty 

message: According to our article on the 1697 collection (quote):
: Three were published earlier in the literary magazine Mercure galant: "Griselidis" and "Suhait" in 1693,[9] and "Sleeping Beauty" in 1696.[5] Histoires ou contes du temps passé#Publication history 
--P64 (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publication date 1696 

message: The sub-section on modern jewellery appears to be little more than a commercial - can it be safely deleted ?
2A02:C7E:E9D:EF00:F86D:6B3B:6A16:E723 (talk) 22:36, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewellery 

message: Does anyone happen to have sources for the information in the "Myth themes" section of the article? Without sources, I believe this will fall under the WP:NOR guidelines for original research. --MilliGrams (talk) 22:53, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't find any sourcing for this information, so I'm going to remove it. I think the interpretations section is important, so I'll replace it with what information I have, but I am sure it will need expanding, so please add to it if you have more information! --MilliGrams (talk) 15:12, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Research? 

message: I noticed that the plot summary for Perrault's narrative was plagiarized from Kathryn Collis's book Not So Grimm Fairy Tales, so I am going to go ahead and rewrite it. --MilliGrams (talk) 01:39, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism 

message: I may have found credible sources that Sleeping Beauty, like her compatriot Cinderella, appears to have ancient Chinese counterparts:
*https://books.google.com.br/books?id=8Wph7HEm958C&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=%22Zhang+Yunrong%22+sleeping+beauty&source=bl&ots=LIehuSgpCx&sig=ACfU3U0FEgUJE3jWTDh2joWhybdEGGfHCg&hl=pt-BR&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjDyPOOt9ToAhXOJ7kGHUyyD3IQ6AEwD3oECAoQLQ#v=onepage&q=%22Zhang%20Yunrong%22%20sleeping%20beauty&f=false - p. 125
*https://www.academia.edu/1405506/Chinese_Medieval_Versions_of_Sleeping_Beauty (This article was published in FABULA, a specialized publication on fairy tales). 18:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese predecessors to Sleeping Beauty 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Aurora (Sleeping Beauty) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 13:49, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress