Talk:Incest in the Bible

message: Hmm.  The use of a hyphen in "daughter-ers" in the article suggests that this was pasted from a Web site somewhere.  So I did a search, and found that the text is taken word-for-word from http://www.darkhistory.com/bible.shtml -- however, since the majority of the text is Biblical quotes, perhaps defenders of this subject may want to edit the article and change it around so that it won't have to be removed. --Modemac 14:00, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a difference in the scope of incest in the laws in different jurisdictions and in different religions. This article is only about the Biblical definition. Jim Michael (talk) 18:02, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misc. 

message: Did Shem, son of Adam, commit incest? It would appear so, since the only women would have been Eve or Shem's sisters.
:Shem was not the son of Adam, but of Noah. There is no reason to believe he, or anyone after the flood, committed strict incest, although there would surely be much first cousin intermarriage among Noah's grandchildren. john k 04:27, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Try Cain and Abel.--Anomie 15:45, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Shem]] 

message: In Jewish law it is not incest for two first cousins to marry.  Nor is it incest for a woman to marry her father's brother.  In historical times both sorts of marriage were contracted by the Rothschild family, observant Jews.  (I am not certain about other cases; i.e.: woman & mother's brother, man & father's sister, man & mother's sister, half-siblings through the same father.)  Some of the instances of "incest" in the bible given in the article are thus clearly in error, and I will correct them unless someone gives good reason not to do so. Too Old 04:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks to User:Ortho for the clarification.  But the English Wikipedia is relevant to all english speakers, many of which (e.g. those in the UK) do not classify first-cousin marriage as incest, so "our culture" is an inappropriate characterization of it.  Perhaps we could say "according to the most restrictive US law"?  Too Old 05:25, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that since we're talking about a context in which "incense" is well defined (Leviticus chapter 18), we should (in the context of this article) use that definition of incense. Note that although this excludes Jacob marrying his own cousins, it does include Jacob marrying the sister of his still-living wife. 194.90.113.98 (talk) 09:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish definition of incest 

message: The question comes up in religious discussions of where did Cain get his wife? He had to have taken one of his (unnamed in the Bible) sisters. Can this be mentioned in the article? It's not really a direct reference. Family Guy Guy 18:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cain]]'s wife? 

message: Several bishops in the Roman Catholic Church consider incest to be a less grave crime than abortion, and have recommended that girls who are raped by their parents to continue their pregnancy. This was notably the case in 2009 with archbishop José Cardoso Sobrinho in Brazil. ADM (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That has nothing to do with incest being a less grave crime (which, incidentally, it obviously is), but with another crime not being the means to undo the results of a previous crime. --93.135.123.17 (talk) 14:54, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Abortion vs. incest

message: The article claims that Isaac is Rebecca's uncle, but they are actually first cousins, once removed.  Isaac was the only child of Abraham and Sarah and Rebecca's father is Bethuel, a cousin of Isaac.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.213.50.200 (talk) 06:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isaac and Rebecca 

message: What definition of incest are we using here?  The Incest article, says that “Incest refers to any sexual activity between close relatives (often within the immediate family) that is illegal or socially taboo[at the time it happens]. The type of sexual activity and the nature of the relationship between persons that constitutes a breach of law or social taboo vary with culture and jurisdiction.”  I.e. first-cousin marriage is Not illegal or even a taboo in most of the world today as was not in Bible times.  The only one that was at the time it happened was Tamar.--Lord Don-Jam (talk) 10:31, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a section about the definition. Newman Luke (talk) 12:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of incest? 

message: I've removed the material about
*Zelophehad's daughters (3 paragraphs long) 
*Esau's wives
*Jacob's wives
*Isaac and Rebekah - Rebekah is not Isaac's niece, she is his first cousin once removed (the daughter of his cousin Bethuel - Bethuel being Isaac's father's brother's son).
On the basis that these all self-identifyingly discuss marriage to cousins which
*Is not incest according to the Biblical regulations
*Is not incest according to Jewish traditional law
*Is not incest according to modern English law
Queen Elizabeth II's husband is her cousin. 
Marriage to cousins is off-topic. It belongs, if anywhere, in Endogamy. Newman Luke (talk) 12:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cousins 

message: The following dubious material has been removed:
*"The Abrahamic belief holds that human life originates from incest". This is removed because the bible does not say where the wives for Adam and Eve's children actually come from. And in a later passage, it mentions the sons of God (often presumed to be Angels) as having sexual relations with women (see Nephilim), so there are clearly other sources of procreation. To presume that it must involve incest is original research - and cited counter arguments must be included if this is to be mentioned at all.
Newman Luke (talk) 12:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other dubious material 

message: Moab and Ammon, the one with with Lot and his two daughters it says “However, as noted above, the Bible does not forbid a sexual relationship between a man and his daughter.”
That is Not so.  Leviticus 18:17 say ““‘The nakedness of a woman and her daughter you must not lay bare”.  A men was not to have a sexual relationship with the daughter of any women his had ever sleep with, that also his daughter.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Don-Jam (talk • contribs) 15:24, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. While it is not explicitly stated that "do not have sexual relations with your daughter", according to Leviticus 18:17 it is forbidden to have sexual relations with a woman and her daughter, which I interpret as inclusive of one's daughter. --Joshua Say "hi" to me!What I've done? 14:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with both of you, Lord Don-Jam and Joshua. The Bible DOES forbid men from having sex with their daugthers, but in an indirect way. It says in Leviticus 18:17, "Do not have sexual intercourse with a woman and her daughter..." Now think about it. If a man is having sex with her own daugther, he is also having sex with the daugther of a woman whom he has already had sex with, since the man and the woman obviously had conceived the daugther by having sex. Therefore, if a man is having sex with his daugther, he is violating the Bible and commiting incest. I think they should put this on the actual article so people don't get confused. If they don't, I will.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.140.227.37 (talk) 01:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Jim Michael (talk) 17:06, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "the Bible does not forbid a sexual relationship between a man and his daughter” WHAT? 

message: May seme like a small detial to complaing about, but today porticularly this was the main reaons I came to this page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.144.33.65 (talk) 15:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doesn't list the chapter or verses the Deuteronomy list is in