Wikipedia talk:WikiProject hip hop/Archive 1

message: The project officially started. If your a new member please post a comment regarding how you wish to contribute to this project or anything else you like to say here:
* Tutmosis - Founder. Started this project because a lot of Hip Hop articles are in poor shape.
* Dragoonmac - Member. Joining as old Hip-Hop articles tend to decline quickly, and new ones are often in need of copyediting. I think another good thing to do would be remove all obnoxious talk page shout outs.
: I agree but I dont think deleting comments goes with wikipedian policy. We should archive the pages. Tutmosis 01:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments:

message: so like were aiming to get all hip hop pages good or star — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobo6balde66 (talk • contribs) 
: Yes we are trying to get them cleaned up and featured. Tutmosis 23:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Do  

message: You guys wanna help me build up Portal:Hip hop?--Urthogie 09:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: sureBobo6balde66 15:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure. Tutmosis 23:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  something to do 

message: Why dont we like give each member of this prodject a Hip Hop artist?
: Its all up to the members, the project want try to force anyone into editing something. Also its better than 2 people edit an article than 1 since they can correct each others mistakes. Tutmosis 22:59, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideas 

message: I think this project should be called "Hip hop music" instead of "Hip Hop", so we don't run into problems if we want to start a more general project on all aspects of hip hop culture. Wintran 21:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This project is on all aspects of hip hop culture. Except for music there arent too many topics to worry about. Tutmosis 22:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see, that's good. I changed the introduction to make this more clear. Actually there are other topics that need work, such as breakdancing and all its related articles. I'm currently working on a new article for hip hop dance, for example, that will describe the many other dance styles associated with hip hop today (in addition to breakdancing). Wintran 00:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh great to hear, Ill try to help out any way I can. User:Tutmosis 01:15, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Project name

message: It's Hip hop not Hip Hop.--Urthogie 21:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Ill change it now. Tutmosis 22:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  bad punctuation 

message: One thing I'd like to see is more info on well kowned freestyles or mixtapes, I made this page as an example 300 Bars and Runnin', Because 300 Bars for example their are tons who have been wonderin' what beats he usin' for that, I knew about all of them before listening to it but most people don't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chubdub (talk • contribs) 
: Thanks for the great work chub, I can see your knowledge will help us alot. Tutmosis 23:31, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also might I recommend adding this to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Hip hop/History page. Tutmosis 23:31, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freestyle Info 

message: How about we have a weekly/monthly featured article for our portal section--chub 01:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean? the portal already has a Selected article section which is basically the same thing since very few hip hop articles are featured. We should have a voting page to decide on the next selected article.Tutmosis 01:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well what I meant to say (and was unable to specify, since I am too pre-occupied in my frantic search to list all of the hip-hop related stubs) is to have a featured artist of the month and featured album of the month, rather than one sole selected article section --chub 01:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh thats not a bad idea, personally I would support this. We need to get more other opinion since like 4 people are dominating this talk page. Oh and by the way, I hope you know your work is greatly appreciated. Tutmosis 03:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idea 

message: Can I get some feedback regarding the templates section especially Template:WikiProject hip hop and Template:User hip hop wikiproject. I think this templates can use some improvement. Do you guys like them? How can we improve them? --Tutmosis 04:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates 

message: How about hip hop collaborations of the week?
: Definetely! Tutmosis 14:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Created the page. Link is on the main page. Tutmosis 16:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  another idea 

message: There's currently a peer review of rapping at Wikipedia:Peer review/Rapping/archive3 if you guys want to participate.--Urthogie 21:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  featured article nomination of [[rapping]] 

message: I nominated the Illmatic article for a feature a few days ago but it got shot down.  But it's a great article, and it could definitely make it pretty soon.  What do you all think? --HasNoClue 04:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I put Illmatic up for peer review. And I have adressed the major issue that kept it from being accepted as a FA (the absence of inline references). However I think we can do a little bit more to improve the article before we re-nominate it for FA-status. 
#Lead doesn't entirely summarize the article, and therefore, it needs to be expanded. See WP:LEAD.
#Add sound samples from the albums
#The picture of Nas during his promotional video (:Image:Nas making illmatic.jpg) was unsourced and therefore removed. If you could find its source (preferably a public domain) then we could still use it. The article could use some pictures indeed. 
#I've changed the Trivia section into a different proese, since Trivia by definition is unenyclopediec. It is now "Cultural notes", but it seems to be a list of random information (i.e. the info about the album cover doesn't seem the be relevant to the topic). If we could somehow take some of those facts and include them into the article itself, I think we could avoid criticism. 
#The "Music" section doesn't enter into much discussion of the songs on the album, so it could use some expansion
# Article may need a "recording session" section
And Illmatic is currently being nominated for hip hop collaboration of the week. So by all means vote for it. I look forward to helping you improve this article. Best of luck!!! --Chubdub 14:38, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illmatic - Featured article? 

message: Now you can see requested hip hop articles at Wikipedia:Requested_articles/music#Hip_hop.--Urthogie 12:18, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great job, makes things a bit more organized! –Tutmøsis · (Msg Me) 14:02, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  add hip hop section for requests 

message: How about a hip hop welcome template, for new users who seem to be contributing to hip hop?--Urthogie 10:29, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, it will be quite easy to make, what the you think it should say in general? –Tutmøsis · (Msg Me) 21:45, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it would have a variable for the article they edited(which would be mentioned in the text: "Hey, I noticed you edited [article]..."), and their would be separate templates for anons and for users.  Basically, it would tell them about the wikiproject hip hop and once we finish the portal, it would tell them about that.--Urthogie 12:05, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I like the artwork for that template (giving a shoutout to the contributor). Who did it? -- Jalabi99 22:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like Rockero (see above). TheJabberwʘck 01:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  idea 

message: I like what User:ByeByeBaby is doing at User:ByeByeBaby/Hip Hop Fair Use Sample List.  We should create a samples subpage that lists all hip hop samples like that.--Urthogie 17:00, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the no response, but do you mean make a wikipedian page listing all hip hop samples? My suggestion would also be to make a category for all those files. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 23:31, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  samples crosslinking 

message: are all the pages gettibg better, i dont think the pages are improving Bobo6balde66 21:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It takes time, I dont think members sit with 20 books writing articles all day. If they are, Im speechless. The project is also still undergoing expansion. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 02:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are The Artricles Improving 

message: New page that can be accessed under the Navagation section on the main page.
# Is it a good idea or should we just forget this?
# Anything you want to change about how to grade articles? anything to add?
# The name, should it be renamed? to what?
Thanks for reading. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 18:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like this because it will give us a better idea of what needs to be done...it will serve as a complement for the tasks page. Maybe we should refrain from adding stubs, though, since there is already a category for them, it will make the table enormous, and it is pretty obvious what needs to be done to them? And maybe we should break it up into artists, albums, and miscellanea or along some other scheme? I'll start helping build the table since I offered to do so...--Rockero 19:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmm thats very intresting, getting rid of stubs for that reason is a fantastic idea. Also regarding the scoring :Template:Grading scheme just came out and I was thinking might as well use that. Unless your guys have even more unique ideas of what we can do with the scoring? – Tutmøsis (Talk) 23:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please check out User:Rockero/Grade school and see if we want to do something like this. It's just a start, and there are no categorical subdivisions, but I think it makes the purpose and process fairly clear...--Rockero 20:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The page looks fantastic, if you want we might as well take that page and copy it onto the project grade school unless you still want to expand it on your own. Tusmosis 23:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  Also I think we should split the tables into different sections such as Culture, musicians, Music pages. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 00:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grade School 

message: Made this template for new users who just edited a hip hop article. :Template:Hiphop WN. Its a cheat rip off of the :Template:Welcome. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 18:50, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also check out User talk:24.91.242.154 as an example of a hip hop oriented welcome. TheJabberwock 21:15, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Wow, thats a real good one. Mind if we convert into a template? – Tutmøsis (Talk) 23:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all. The source template is , which includes a bunch of customizable parameters. I made a hip hop derivation at . TheJabberwock 18:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The templates look great, Thanks for the great work. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 23:07, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  News: New user welcome template 

message: In the Selection of genres we have 'regga' instead of reggae. Maybe you guys know something I don't but I think this should be changed.
: Ragga explains that this is a subgender of reggae. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 00:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling Error 

message: Illmatic is currently up for Wikipedia:peer review. If any body wishes to participate, I would encourage you to do so. Thanks  Chubdub 00:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Vote on it, please, not necessarily for it. Vote as your conscience tells you. TheJabberwʘck 00:27, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illmatic updates 

message: History:
: Do we need it? – Tutmøsis (Talk) 23:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not; our successes (and failures) should be pretty self-explanatory. TheJabberwʘck 00:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's blank it and put up for Miscellany for deletion.--Urthogie 10:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. TheJabberwʘck 13:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Could we create a little table/box which lists our featured articles with stars next to em?--Urthogie 10:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sound good. Why don't we put it at Grading School? TheJabberwʘck 13:48, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe we dont have any featured articles yet... fingers crossed for Illmatic but Grade School would be a good place for it. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 18:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Damn.  We lost hip hop music, didn't we.  I think we can get Illmatic and Rapping probably.--Urthogie 19:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Rapping eh? do I smell another collaboration? – Tutmøsis (Talk) 21:34, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of featured articles 

message: I'm thinkin we should just remove stuff.  There are a ton of requests, so its gonna get cluttered if we keep striking.--Urthogie 12:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, should we just remove them or put them somewhere else for reference?  - Tutmosis 22:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the page history could accomplish that.--Urthogie 10:45, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  crossing out on todolist 

message: I think we should start handing out awards to notable members. Granted, the project is still in its infancy, but I have noticed that a few individual members have contributed immensely to the project over the past few weeks. In my opinion, they deserve some praise for their work. Chubdub 00:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe, but we don't want to dilute the significance of the awards. I'd say wait a few months, until the project reaches a relatively stable phase (right now it's in an expansion, correct?), and then take a retrospective look at who's been working the hardest. TheJabberwʘck 01:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: P.S. If you do give some awards out now, I don't want one yet, thanks. You'll probably get one for Illmatic. TheJabberwʘck 01:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Should we have a barnstar for an award or should we design our own special award?  - Tutmosis 02:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the barnstar above, though it obviously needs some work. Barnstars seem to be the standard WikiProject award (see here). TheJabberwʘck 02:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards? 

message: Hopefully once we will get Illmatic and then rapping (knock on wood) we should start considering our new collective effort for FA-status. I am considering East Coast hip hop or The Wu Tang Clan at this point (both of which lack any references) Chubdub 00:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future collaboration....... 

message: ===Good articles===
*Filipino hip hop
*Rapping
*Eazy-E
*Tupac Shakur
===Featured articles===
*Illmatic
*Graffiti
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Urthogie (talk • contribs) 
;Good articles:
:Filipino hip hop
:Rapping
:Eazy-E
:Tupac Shakur
;Featured articles
:Illmatic
:Graffiti
Good work Urthogie. Either that or this^^ Chubdub 13:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added these to Wikipedia:WikiProject hip hop/Grade school. TheJabberwʘck 16:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hope this is helpful 

message: *Illmatic
*Graffiti
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Urthogie (talk • contribs) 
;Good articles:
:Filipino hip hop
:Rapping
:Eazy-E
:Tupac Shakur
;Featured articles
:Illmatic
:Graffiti
Good work Urthogie. Either that or this^^ Chubdub 13:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added these to Wikipedia:WikiProject hip hop/Grade school. TheJabberwʘck 16:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Featured articles|Featured articles]]

message: Thanks for the great showing on that AFD.  This wikiproject is really making the editing of hip hop articles a lot less stressful.--Urthogie 08:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  wikiproject is doing a great job 

message: Hey, I could really use some help on :Category:Hip hop musicians.  The goal is for nothing to be directly in that category.  Here's how you sort:
*Add nationality.  If they're a german rapper, for example, you'd put them in :Category:German rappers.  If they're a Polish hip hop group, you'd put them in :Category:Polish hip hop groups.  (Note: Jewish is a nationality)
*For DJ's and producers, put those categories on: :category:Hip hop producers and :Category:Hip hop DJs.
*Certain styles have their own category.  Nerd rappers go in :Category:Nerdcore hip hop musicians, for example.  Christian rappers, who talk about Jesus all the time, would go in :Category:Christian rappers.
*Beatboxers go in :Category:Beatboxers.
*Certain things shouldn't even be in a hip hop category.  For them, check out :Category:Rap metal musicians, :Category:Trip hop groups, etc.
*Slam poets like Gil Scott Heron go in :Category:Slam poets.
*Hip hop singers like Trina, Nate Dogg, and Akon go in :Category:Hip hop singers.
*Make sure not to overlap categories.  E.g. don't put :Category:rappers and :Category:American rappers on the same article.
That's it.  It's much easier than it sounds.  I'd really appreciate any help, as there's a lot of them.  Peace, --Urthogie 09:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think GSH is so much a slam poet as he is a proto-rapper, along the lines of the Last Poets or the Watts Prophets. Maybe we need a new category??--Rockero 00:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  U mean like :Template:Proto-hip hop musicians or :Template:Proto-rap musicians?  - Tutmosis 00:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text:  I think proto rapper is subjective.  From a purely factual viewpoint he was a slam poet that kind of set the template for rappers.  But we can't have a subjective category I think.  Anyways, who wants to help sort?--Urthogie 07:07, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  need help with category sorting