Talk:D. J. King

message: You guys only have a problem with this because I made it.
Take a look at Cam Janssen's page.
"Known for his aggressive hits and for finishing strong in most his fights, Janssen has quickly become a fan favorite in New Jersey." DOESNT EVEN HAVE A CITATION NEEDED TAG.
"Janssen's first job was moving cars at a local car dealership."
No source tag.
GET OFF MY BACK! My sources were at least better than nothing, at least mine has backing, this has nothing, and you're only editing it because I edited it. You guys are incredible. Freaking Incredible. 75.28.91.93 05:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So fix it - try making some constructive edits for a change.  Yankees76 05:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Guess you should have thought of that before you got yourself blocked. And if you were really interested in getting a legit account you'd stop attacking other editors when you don't get your way. Quartet 07:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, the Cam Janssen page has been tagged for sources since January 2007. See the top of the page. When an article has too much unsourced material, a large tag is placed at the top - there's no need to go through the article and tag every instance in a case like that. Quartet 07:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop Edit Stalking Me

message: ACCORDING TO HIS TEAMS WEBSITE, hes 6'0" 185, I think his OWN TEAM would be the BEST source for this, not an outside article... 75.28.91.93 06:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See NHL.com. . You're such a big fan yet you completely overlooked that his height and weight was wrong.  Quartet 06:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: NHLPA also backs it up. The Blues site is wrong. .  Quartet 06:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That's 2 websites, one the official site of the NHL, the other the official site of the Players Association saying he's 6'2". Obviously the Blues site is in error if two official NHL sites say otherwise. Also, even your favorite website to source and use to attack other editors (hockeyfights.com) says he's 6'2". You can't have it both ways Quartet 06:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: You think you can intimidate me with cheesy name calling? Sorry, but I'm not one of your 12 year old friends. Even his old team the Rivermen list him at 6'2". It looks like the Blues have the same quality control problems on their website as they do on the ice.  Quartet 06:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, this is the best source, yet, the Blues own website -  - read this press release and tell me how tall he is and how much he weighs. No wonder this organization can't make the playoffs - they don't even know the size of their own players. There's nothing to discuss. Quartet 06:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It's evidence that if they can't even get the height and weight of their players correct - then they have to be questioned as a reliable source - especially if you're using that source to edit war when you are clearly wrong and just edit warring to be a nuisance. Quartet 06:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: See above. And I'd also like to add, that as a fan of the Blues, you didn't think it was a bit strange that their "enforcer" only weighed 185 pounds? Who's he going to fight at that weight? Kyle Wellwood? You talk about losing arguments, and spend time calling names and arguing over 2nd and 3rd period fights, when the whole time the page you're trying so hard to keep others from editing shows DJ King standing 6'0" and weighting a buck eighty-five. That's just too funny. Quartet 07:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Guys...relax. We all realize we are contesting the height and weight of an NHL player, right? It doesn't matter what kind of hockey player you think Tootoo is. It doesn't matter if a small guy can beat up a big guy. If you can find several reliable sources calling him a "goon" or "thug" or "enforcer," please feel free to add that into the article with quotes around it and <ref> tags linking the information (see WP:CITE). Please don't make me submit this to lamest edit wars. Let's focus on what matters here: find several reliable sources, see what they say, discuss what they say in a civilized manner, come to a consensus. 75.28.91.93, life would be a lot easier on all of us if you got a user account. JHMM13 07:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: There is a logical flaw in your reasoning. Getting blocked is no minor offense on Wikipedia as it means you are a multiple repeat offender of some violation of our policy. Perhaps Quartet tried in the past to be reasonable with you...I don't know, and it doesn't really matter. Can you two please put aside your differences now and focus on actually being constructive? If both of you hold different and conflicting points of view, but both of you claim to be right, why don't you find a third solution to this problem that doesn't involve months and months of edit warring that will simply waste everyone's time? Find a consensus and find it here. If you are unwilling to be civil now, you cannot complain about being unfairly treated in the future. That's the most I can tell you. JHMM13 07:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can tell by my edits, I've compromised SEVERAL times, and Yankees76 and Quartet stalk my edits, daily. This page isn't that bad, compared to the biased and POV on Cam Janssen's page, nor the height weight being wrong on Phil Baroni's page (I've since changed it), and pages like Enforcer (hockey) having a list, but if you try to add a well known enforcer to it, you better have a source or else its gone! Even though its pretty much impossible to find a source on the internet for every piece of factual information. Look at Quartets last 100 edits, most are directed at me. His user page should say "Quartet is known for usually stalking the edits of Wikipedia members who know more than him." I find it funny how admins can tell you what to do, yet in turn don't follow the policy themselves. They only prove the point that power hungry admins will be the end of Wikipedia. 75.28.91.93 08:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not difficult to find sources for pieces of factual information. You can simply have a footnote indicating that several sources say different things, if that is indeed the case. Go to NHL.com, stlouisblues.com, espn.com, and whatever other ones you can find and figure it out from there. Unless one of you personally measures him, writes an essay on it, and gets it published in a reliable source, this is as good as it's going to be. "User stalking," as you call it, is not against Wikipedia policy and, in my opinion, not a wholly horrible thing. I would love it if two or three people covered every one of my edits to double-check what I wrote. I wish I could adequately explain to you the logical fallacy in saying something like "well-known" and passing it off for fact. This project is about using reliable sources in discussions to build consensus professionally. It is not so ridiculous to demand a source for information, and before adding to an already over-long list, maybe you should think about restructuring that list or if that list is even worthwhile in the first place. The admins are not power hungry and they are held to a much higher standard than everyone else. If an admin were to make a single edit to this page like any of the many you have, they would already be in front of the arbitration committee. If you have a problem with any single admin, please bring that issue up with another admin. There are channels for complaints for a reason, and all the bureaucracy is there for a reason. Just calm down and realize that 99% of this project is compromise, hard work, and being civil. You should also realize that by simply being alive, you are not necessarily entitled to edit or use Wikipedia. It is a private website that is allowing you to edit trusting that you and everyone else can get along and make a decent encyclopedia. If they feel that you have been hurtful in this process, they deny you access, but not before endless warnings, partial blocks, etc. etc. Please try to remember all this before you attack people who aren't getting paid to respond to exaggerated claims. JHMM13 08:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That is an issue you'll have to take up with the arbitration committee. This is not the place for disputing your ban, but after a review of the situation, it appears you were using sockpuppets repeatedly, which is a gigantic no-no around here, perhaps the ban was warranted and now is the time to restart your wikilife through the use of proper discussion and consensus. There is no other way to build a reliable encyclopedia. Though I am not calling you a "dick" because I would never do that to another user, you should read this essay which has helped mold my wiki-philosophy. Good day, JHMM13 18:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't know, does it? How do we know which is right? Just because one is "official," does that mean it's right? Normally I would agree with that reasoning, but often in sports we see the "official" height/weight much higher than they actually are. I think the most important thing here is this: this is so ungodly inconsequential that perhaps doing as Kaiser matias says isn't the worst thing in the world. Is it so great a blasphemy to cite an official source, even if that information about physical stature might be slightly skewed? Can we all, perhaps, come to some sort of agreement about his height and weight? How about this: in the article we cite the source Kaiser matias gives and note the differences in a footnote like we have now. Deal? JHMM13 17:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as you have the obvious footnote where it says how different sites list him at different heights, you could say hes 7'4" 500 lbs for all I care! I guess we really won't know his true/height and weight till perhaps his sophomore year or thus after. 70.253.172.142 19:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop Messing with his height and weight

message: http://www.sportsline.com/nhl/players/playerpage/371800 states him at 6'0" 185.
as does http://scores.espn.go.com/nhl/players/profile?statsId=3511, and http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/3511
I've never seen anything like this before. 69.150.84.232 19:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: TSN.ca has a different height/weight all together, listing him at 6'3" 230. . Quartet 19:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds like the perfect makings of a footnote. If I had to choose, I would go with the NHL/NHLPA version, just because it is "official." Add a footnote saying, "While this is the official height and weight of D.J. King according to the NHL and the NHLPA, The Sporting News lists him as 6'3", 230lbs and sportsline, espn, and yahoo list him as 6'0", 185lbs." Then subsequently add citations to these specific websites, preferably in a combined footnote. See WP:CITE. Any suggestions? JHMM13 23:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Works for me. Quartet 00:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I already started a footnote, feel free to edit it. 64.149.213.194 02:34, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that. I made a footnote following the typical format. From now on, if you want to cite a source, all you have to do is type  and it should go at the end of punctuation like this. My only problem so far is I don't know where to put the reference in the article. We can't simply have a note on its own somewhere, and I can't easily enter it into that infobox template. Maybe we could mention somewhere something like "at 6'2" etc. etc., he is considered to be an enforcer."[citation needed] Something of that ilk, and then we could put the height/weight note where that citation needed thing is and then also a link to some reputable sources calling him an enforcer or other players calling him an enforcer in interviews maybe. What do you guys think? JHMM13 07:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I really think theres no debate on if hes an enforcer or not, but a source wouldn't hurt. Hes made a pretty big impact for being a rookie and getting in so many fights, so I'm sure theres a source of it somewhere.  I check the Blues website daily, so I'm still waiting for the article about them returning to Peoria. John Kelly said it during a game, so thats the reason it was added. Is it ok to take the picture from his St. Louis Blues profile or other profile for an image on this page? If so could somebody else do it, I'm not too familiar with athlete boxes, yet. 64.149.213.194 08:46, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If nobody is contesting the fact that he is an enforcer, then I see no problem not sourcing it immediately. The picture you are talking about is probably not free, so at first guess, I'd have to suggest that it is not uploaded. There are other ways to get free images of people, though. JHMM13 09:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hate uploading pictures unless they're album art, see Today (EP), I basically created that whole page. If you could find an image of him and get the correct copyright on it, I'd be more than grateful. 70.253.172.142 19:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As a Devils fan who lives in California, I haven't been to a Blues game in a while :-(. If I had, I'd take a picture of him with my cool camera. Flickr might have some stuff, but I'm not very acquainted with the copyright issues over there. It depends on the individual user's preferences for the image...like if he selects it to be free for anyone's use, then we can grab it, but otherwise we can't. I've never been able to figure out where to look for the copyright status though. Maybe someone will come along with something. JHMM13 22:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Height/Weight

message: According to the page it says 10/5/2006, but he played with the Blues in the pre-season in 2003, would that count as an official nhl debut even though it was an exhibition game? 69.150.84.232 19:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think generally speaking debuts are for regular season or playoff games. The preseason is still exhibition used to figure out who will really be on the team...like a coordinated practice between two games. I'd go with the regular season date. JHMM13 23:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NHL Debut

message: I took the liberty to perform a simple search on Google for "DJ King Enforcer" and found a source to back up the claim that he is indeed an enforcer. Hopefully this will stop some of the bickering thats been going on here, and allow users to go on with more constructive measures to actually improve articles, rather than argue over trivial information. Kaiser matias 00:00, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enforcer 

message: this really needs an update DJ has played 31 nhl games for the Blues this season, and zero for the rivermen.
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