Talk:Neil Steinberg

message: The central flaw of Wikipedia is the ability of peeved individuals to heap scorn on figures they don't like -- monitoring needs to be improved so that biographies of controversial figures do not become bathroom walls for the airing of biases and the settling of scores.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.238.5.75 (talk • contribs).
:What's so offensive about a request for additional references and a message about an upcoming book? Zagalejo 03:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For future reference, my comment is in response to edits like this. I do think it's very, very important that the article avoid the undue weight problems that have recently plagued it. Zagalejo^^^ 23:29, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

text: A central flaw of Wikipedia is members removing content without explaining why. In this case, no edit summary, vindictive, and especially vandalism does not describe it. Joe Chill (talk) 23:31, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please look at this in context. There were legitimate undue weight issues here. Even if something is verifiable, it can still be problematic if it's presented without any tact. Most people don't know much about the internal workings of Wikipedia, and edit warring can be the only way for them to call attention to certain things. Zagalejo^^^ 23:41, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I still don't like it. I had an IP complain to me recently for reverting one of their edits that removed content that has existed since 2007. The IP had no edit summary. Not only was there no edit summary, the IP demanded (literally demanded) that I should thus (literally thus) revert my revert because the IP said that the creator of the article was their account. I'm pretty sure that there is no way that I could have automatically guessed that the IP didn't even bother to sign into their account to remove content put in by their account that has been around since 2009. Joe Chill (talk) 23:49, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it's annoying when people remove things without edit summaries, but you should look at things on a case by case basis. In this situation, it should be pretty obvious why he was removing the information. Zagalejo^^^ 00:05, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Because he has a conflict of interest and thought it looked bad for him? Falcon8765 (TALK) 00:14, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it was undue. The facts were well sourced, and presented in brief, consistent with the construction of the article. If not tacked on the end, where does it fit? Again, I'm not a big fan of this kind of content in bios, but it was the subject of a lengthy article in Chicago Magazine, and I'm uncomfortable with Wikipedia bending to the will and vanities of its subjects. 99.155.206.229 (talk) 00:15, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, sometimes you need to restructure an article to make something fit. Sometimes you need to add additional information to create a more balanced picture of the subject. Zagalejo^^^ 00:34, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

text: In his book Steinberg discusses the page 2 coverage of the charges in the Sun-Times ; the story received prominent coverage in Chicago. 99.155.206.229 (talk) 00:21, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true. I've read Steinberg's columns for a while, so I know about his story. I think he's a reasonable guy, and would be satisfied if we wrote about his life in a thoughtful manner. But the way things were, we were making it more likely that readers skimming through the article would leave with a skewed understanding of the man. Tacking a negative claim (even if sourced) to the end of the article does make a difference. Zagalejo^^^ 00:34, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Perceived flaw?

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thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Steinberg's column about his attempted gun purchase http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/steinberg-would-be-terrorists-can-buy-guns-but-a-reporter-no/ is notable. He was rejected because of his, "admitted history of alcohol abuse, and a charge for domestic battery involving his wife." http://www.ijreview.com/2016/06/633182-anti-gun-reporter-tried-to-buy-ar-15-for-a-story-til-the-background-check-came-in/ This should be mentioned on his page. Omegapimp (talk) 08:59, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: (1) Why is an attempted gun purchase notable to the biography of this individual? (2) Brietbart is not a reliable source, especially for negative information about a living person. See WP:BLP as well. EvergreenFir (talk) Please  09:03, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Is Steinberg a reliable source? His column says the same thing as the Brietbart article. So do these sources: http://www.ijreview.com/2016/06/633182-anti-gun-reporter-tried-to-buy-ar-15-for-a-story-til-the-background-check-came-in/http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/06/20/liberal-reporter-seeks-to-show-how-easy-it-is-to-purchase-an-ar-15-in-america-he-definitely-didnt-see-this-coming/ Omegapimp (talk) 09:23, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Steinberg would be a reliable source regarding information about himself (WP:SPS, WP:ABOUTSELF). The Blaze article's quotes of Steinberg mention his attempts to buy a gun, but nothing about why he was denied it (that information is in the Blaze's voice). Steinberg's article (and those that quote it) quotes Maxon as saying he's all those terrible things. He does not admit to being that. We cannot say that he's an abuser, etc. just because a gun store claims he is. Moreover, I can't think of a reason why we'd add such information to a short BLP article like this without context. I could see a paragraph about the reporting, the attempted purchase, and the response, but is this really what he's best known for (i.e., is it WP:DUE to have that info)? It seems like people are very eager to shoehorn information about him being an abuser without any context. EvergreenFir (talk) Please  09:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Attempted Gun Purchase

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message: Should a controversy section be added? Recently Steinberg made waves with calls for him to lose his assignment at the Sun Times after the Sun Times featured Sen Tammy Duckworth on it's July 2,2018 cover returning to work after maternity leave. Steinberg tweeted "Duckworth is one of the least inspiring senators ever to luck her way into higher office. A nice enough person, but weak-tea and tepid and likely to drift out of the Senate on the same sort of accidental breeze that floated her in." Duckworth, who carried a baby to term, is the US Senator, the first female double amputee from the Iraq war, losing both her legs. 
I also think the AR-15 purchase attempt should be added to the controversy section instead of personal life. P37307 (talk) 00:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly seems like more smoke than fire. Any impression this has lasting notability? EvergreenFir (talk) 01:18, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably so right now. It's fairly new and just getting traction. I'll keep an eye out and if the paper takes action or something other happens in regards to this, I'll talk back here. P37307 (talk) 01:26, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy and outrage 

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