Talk:Japanese tea ceremony

message: I think an entry on toucha/"tea tournament" might be interesting, but I'm not sure where to include it.
Chris.n.richardson 10:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toucha (闘茶) 

message: The image seems hardly a good representation of the topic, Japanese tea ceremony; the place where the lady in kimono is sitting seiza to make tea in the most simple chanoyu fashion is quite unique, and it seems better to this writer not to present this as the introductory image for this article.Tksb (talk) 03:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the image is hardly representable. Why do you think the place is unique? It's simply an image of nodate/野点 and I find nothing wrong with it.This is one of Nodate images at the urasenke official site. As there's no other good image, I don't agree the removal of the image. Oda Mari (talk) 15:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

text: As a Japanese editor, I still think there's nothing wrong with the image. According to the urasenke pages, they call these are nodate too. See the image at the right bottom and the image at the bottom. And as far as I know, there is no rule about the place where you have and have not to do nodate. But if you still think the image is inappropriate, I think you should find and upload a substitute. There are many images of Japanese tea ceremony at  Flickr and you can use some like , , and . So choose an available image you think the best for the article there. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 05:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

text: If you really think it is better than nothing, please restore the image until you find a better image. Although I disagree with you, I won't restore it, respecting your good faith. What do you mean by yukashita in the image?  If you mean the space under the veranda, I do not call or think the space as yukashita but call it ennoshita/縁の下. Yukashita is the space beyond the white wall. BTW, do you know there's a different version at Commons?  You can ask the uploader the information of the image. As for Flickr, it seems to me that there are some images we can use for tea-related articles like this. And how about  this? Hope you find a better image soon. Oda Mari (talk) 07:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  introductory image 

message: To my knowledge, the smallest possible tea room is 1 tatami plus daime; one tatami required for the guest(s), and at least a daime required for the tea-making. Unless the statement about the smallest possible size being 1.5 tatami can be backed up, I believe this statement requires correction.Tksb (talk) 13:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Call it 1 3/4 mats then.  I have, however, seen 1.5 mat setups with one mat for the host (with furo) and a half mat for one guest.  Exploding Boy (talk) 16:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I watched a TV program on Rikyu and HIdeyoshi today. According to the program, Rikyu used 1.5 mats room. I watched a 2 mats tea house on the program. But there was no mention on 1 mat. I don't think correction is needed. Oda Mari (talk) 16:04, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  venue room size 

message: I'm explaining some of the changes I've made throughout the article here as a courtesy, since I know a couple of editors have worked a lot on the article since I first fully expanded it.
* I've give the term "chanoyu" less prominence in general.  Sadō/chadō are by far the more commonly used terms
* I removed the claim that "rooms for teaching tea ceremony are generally at least six tatami in floor space."  In my fairly long experience with tea in 3 different schools, the use of hiroma for lessons has been the very rare exception rather than the rule.  Common sense dictates that, both in Japan and around the world, many teachers work out of their private homes, in which a 4.5 mat room is the standard.  However, I have also taken regular classes in large tea houses containing several chashitsu, and 90% of the time we used only the 4.5 mat room.  The only place I have studied where a hiroma was in consistent use for lessons was in a temple that didn't have a smaller room.  
* I've removed the claim that "If and when the venue for the event makes use of more than one room (space), it is not uncommon for one to be devoted to the preparation and drinking of koicha and the other(s) to usucha, and a tenshin snack to also be offered somewhere."  I have never seen this happen or read about it, and it strikes me as fairly unlikely for several reasons.  For one thing, if a nijiriguchi is in use (as it would be in any venue that had this many rooms available), the guests enter and exit via the same door each time.  While in larger venues guests might be greeted and served a drink in a separate waiting room before the event begins, the entire subsequent event takes place in a single room, partly because part of the enjoyment of a chaji is seeing how the host has redecorated the room.  For another thing, changing rooms like this would require setting charcoal and keeping it burning AND keeping water at the consistently correct temperature in 2 separate ro or furo, which is very, very unlikely.  
* Removed the unsourced claim that "Nowadays commonly only usucha is served in most of chakai." 
Exploding Boy (talk) 16:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding keiko, the word "generally" suggests that this is the most common arrangement; I don't think that's true.  Particularly if a teacher is following the custom of having senior students teach less senior students, not all of them need to be in the tea room at the same time: some might be learning things in the mizuya while others are practicing guest duties and one student is performing a temae for the teacher, for instance.  As for chakai involving many guests, that's potentially a different story, but I'd still like to see a reference.  Exploding Boy (talk) 14:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes to article

message: Regarding the edit made by User:Exploding Boy, a discussion is being made hereWikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Related argument at Japanese tea ceremony. Please participate in the discussion there. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 22:25, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As that discussion was fairly clear that the guideline is still indeed the guideline, I've restored the "logical" quotes.  84.203.43.70 (talk) 02:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Punctuation marks inside the Quotation marks

message: This is a great article on Japanese tea ceremony/chado but term 茶道 should have a choice or going the the Chinese tea culture article until a Chinese tea ceremony/chadao is created. 
Added a choice from 茶道 The Way of Tea, to Japanese tea ceremony, Chinese tea ceremony.
icetea (talk) 10:57, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  茶道 

message: A suggestion for first sentence of article, is to add teaism reference.
Such as:
:The Japanese tea ceremony, also called the Way of Tea, or Teaism.....
icetea8 (talk) 13:27, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Teaism

message: I think the article would be improved by more information, or perhaps a section, on the demographics of the tea ceremony.  In traditional practice, were the host and guest roles traditionally performed by men, by women, or in mixed groups?  If the latter, were there more or less subtle differences in the way men and women performed or spoke in these roles, perhaps paralleling the Gender differences in spoken Japanese. Were the participants usually unrelated, or could they be members of the same nuclear or extended family?  Did children ever participate in the tea ceremony, and if so how were they expected to behave?   How have these things changed in recent decades, with growing expectations of social equality between men and women, and growing inclusion of children in family activities?  Was the tea ceremony traditionally limited to privileged or aristocratic adults, or were variations of it practiced by all socioeconomic strata?  How has the tea ceremony practice changed in response to modern aspirations toward equality, or at least equal rights, of all members of society?CharlesHBennett (talk) 06:55, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics and gender roles, formerly and now 

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message: Similar to the discussion on images in Talk:Geisha#Photos, please post only quality images of direct relevance. Gryffindor (talk) 16:41, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: Hi, I don't know how wikipedia editing works but I've removed some erroneous information and edited the wording in the intro. If you would like to dispute or remove my edits please discuss them here or on my page before doing so. Some of the references on this page are not professional or are severely problematic/outdated or are not relevant and should be removed. If a more skilled editor would like to add some more current or more relevant references please refer to a spreadsheet of scholarly literature on chanoyu (tea ceremony) I have created here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ubsf8xnfgsnT-onFGzxNp_ramyM5Z5ANE_VNns56vbg/edit?usp=sharing MiaoTuLu (talk) 23:50, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hallo, not quite sure what you are referring to since you removed information that was referenced, also your link is not working. Feel free to add or correct information in the article but do not remove it. Gryffindor (talk) 01:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  There's a lot of erroneous information in this article. I edited some of it out. 

message: This article should be merged into East Asian tea ceremony - Wikipedia, as they are just regional variations on the same practice with the same origin Sakeside (talk) 22:31, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple articles on the same subject?