Talk:Archie Kalokerinos

message: I doubt Archie was his Christian name. Was it Archimedes, Archibald?? JFW | T@lk 22:06, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Is ther emore than one adviser?  Midgley 21:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  and the Aboriginal health is going how? 

message: I can find no evidence that the Australian Medal of Merit exists.  It is not part of the Australian Honours System.  Can someone provide me with some additional verifiable information about it please. Maustrauser 14:01, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We've just been discussing this at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Whaleto. It's an award from the Legion of Frontiersmen Australian Division, a private organisation of ex-military personnel currently mostly involved with documenting and maintaining war graves and memorials: see Australian Medal of Merit. Tearlach 14:27, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks very much.  Clearly it is a private medal and not a government sanctioned medal at all.  I wonder if it should remain in this article then as it is the equivalent of me and my mates awarding another mate a medal - The Australian Medal of Wikipedia Guardians.  It is no different to a Barnstar really.  I'm inclined to remove it from this article as it implies some sort of Government endorsement for this man's activities. Maustrauser 14:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Australian Medal of Merit

message: Huh? Then what on earth are you doing writing on this topic?? 
I just finished reading "Every Second Child" and its footnotes. It is easily available online. 
I am shocked that your denunciation of this brilliant, sensitive, common-sense, life-saving physician, is the article standing on Wikipedia. 
To point out just one of many areas where YOU ARE WRONG: he gave ordinary amounts of Vitamin C, eg 100 mg or less, NOT megadoses, to his indigenous patients (sometimes orally and sometimes by injection). Also, he DID conduct trials, and they all stunningly showed that those infants who were supplemented with these modest amounts, survived, and those who weren't, didn't. Tina Kimmel (talk) 08:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: =============

message: This article says that Kalokerinos is a Fellow of this organization.  What is it?  What does it do?  When I went to its website today which is linked from the article, I found it was 'empty'.  A google search picks up a mere 372 references to it, and the first reference is a Quackwatch one stating that it is rather questionable.    What does it mean to be a Fellow of this organization?  Do you pay to be a Fellow or is it an honour to be a member?  Maustrauser 04:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: International Academy of Preventative Medicine 

message: This article says that Kalokerinos is a Life Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health.  According to their website http:/www/rsph.org there is no such thing.  Apparently anyone with a Bachelor's degree that they have had for more than five years and can pay the membership fee can become a fellow.  So what is a Life Fellow? Maustrauser 04:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Life Fellow of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health

message: This article says that Kalokerinos is a Fellow of the Australasian College of Biomedical Scientists.  A Google search picks up 50 references to this organization.  Once references to Kalokerinos is removed from the search results there are fewer than 40 references.  This organization has no website.  So what is a Fellow?  What does it mean?  What does this organization do?  Is it important?  It doesn't meet the notability criteria for WP, so why is it included as a qualification for Kalokerinos? Maustrauser 04:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fellow of the Australasian College of Biomedical Scientists

message: Why is this included as a qualification for Kalokerinos?  It's like saying he is a member of the Australian Conservation Foundation, or the Balmain Beach Tennis Club.  Anybody can be a member of the New York Academy of Sciences.  All you have to do is pay the membership fee.  How do we know his subscription hasn't expired?  This is not a qualification.  Maustrauser 04:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Member of the New York Academy of Sciences

message: This article says that Kalokerinos is a Fellow of The Hong Kong Medical Technology Association.  This Association ceased existing in 2003 and became the Hong Kong Institute of Medical Laboratory Sciences Limited.  According to its website it exists  "to promote and advance the status and the common interests of medical laboratory technologists in Hong Kong."  Further it only achieves 104 hits.  What is the purpose of Kalokerinos' Fellowship?  This seems like gilding the lily.  Why is this a qualification? Maustrauser 04:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fellow of the Hong Kong Medical Technology Association

message: This article makes much of Kalokerinos having material cited in PubMed.  PubMed is a search engine for medical citations.  It is not an endorsement.  Why is it written as though being in PubMed is important? Maustrauser 05:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[PubMed]] 

message: This journal is widely cited in the article.  It ceased publication in 1982.  It has never been a peer-reviewed journal and thus is not evidence of the claims being made in article published in the journal being generally accepted by the medical profession.  To be published in the Australasian Nurses Journal the editor needed to think that what was said was interesting, not that what was said was rigorous or correct.  That's why peer review exists, to give some credibility to articles.  I therefore have to question why every article that Kalokerinos ever wrote for this journal is listed? What is the list trying to prove?  Give the man credibility? Maustrauser 05:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Useless inclusion.Benvenuto (talk) 05:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Australasian Nurses Journal

message: By his own admission Kalokerinos experimented on aboriginal prisoners in the town lockup, injecting near fatal doses of ascorbic acid. I think this would be a notable inclusion for the article. Suggest a section called "controversy" to get a bit of balance back into this article. Benvenuto (talk) 05:05, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  What sources do you have? Gillyweed (talk) 10:11, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: "I had, however, noticed that many sick and irritable infants rapidly became calm after I administered injections of Vitamin C. Adult patients too became drowsy and wanted to sleep. Maybe, I thought, this may happen after the administration of intravenous vitamin C to inebriated Aborigines. I mixed up 240 grams of sodium ascorbate powder in 500 mls [grams] of water and began to quickly inject it intravenously.  I had used doses like this many times in patients suffering from a variety of conditions, without observable side effects. Almost immediately, the patient became unconscious, resembling exactly an overdose of morphine. I stopped the infusion and within a few seconds the patient woke up. I quickly learned to administer the infusion at a moderate rate. This  resulted in rapid detoxification without the excessive response. The mechanisms involved are not fully understood so I will not attempt to explain them. "-Kalokerinos, "every second child" Benvenuto (talk) 04:50, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What is meant by a near fatal dose of ascorbic acid? Is loss of consciousness to be interpreted as impending death? Why? Through what evidence? Perhaps analagous to a general anesthetic agent? Ascorbate has zero properties of such an agent.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdmclean (talk • contribs) 15:43, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Human experimentation

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