Talk:Multi-National Force – Iraq

message: objectives as of May 2006
    * Iraq is at peace with its neighbors
    * Iraq is an ally in the War on Terror
    * To teach Democracy
    * Iraq has a representative government that respects the human rights of all Iraqis
    * Iraq has a security force that can maintain domestic order and deny Iraq as a safe haven for terrorists
The government of Iraq enjoys broad international support, including from nations of the Arab League. Jordan is assisting in training of the Iraqi Security Forces, United Arab Emirates have donated military equipment (bought from Switzerland) and Egypt are actively helping in the reconciliation process, for example.
Iraq is a pluralistic democracy. Iraq's constitution guarantees freedoms of speech, assembly and religion, private ownership of property, privacy and equality before the law. The December 2005 parliamentary election had a 75% voter turnout.
As of September 2006, 302,000 Iraqi security forces have been trained and equipped. By the end of 2006, MNF-I believes that all 325,000 planned ISF members will be trained and equipped. ISF may be fully capable of maintaining domestic order sometime in 2007, perhaps with coalition help in logistics, close-air support and medical assistance.[2]
:This entire section bothers me. It makes it sound as if Iraq is doing pretty well, and it looks as if it's almost 'mission accomplished'. On the other hand, it doesn't seem to make it clear that the Iraqi security forces are still having immense difficulty maintaining order, and that sectarian violence is spiralling.
ManicParroT 22:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MNF objectives 

message: Under the list of nations, the map shows Canada has troops there while the article says there are no longer Canadian troops there. Also would it not make more sense to have the map legend read 1-100? say1988 18:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DIagreement within the article 

message: A lot of this material references August 23rd as a date when troop levels were known.  This is because GlobalSecurity.org's page is current as of that date. GlobalSecurity.org is not listed as a source for this article but should be listed in numerous places. 72.75.71.234 13:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing 

message: Why isn't Morocco's contribution of monkeys mentioned anywhere in the article?
* http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A21268-2003Mar24?language=printer
* http://www.post-gazette.com/nation/20030327coalitionnp4.asp
* http://www.lailalalami.com/blog/archives/000236.html
Amanojyaku 21:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morocco and Coalition Monkeys 

message: The absolute number of troops per country is fine, but it doesn't really say much about the investment from the perspective of the individual countries. An issue that frequently brought up by smaller countries – and latest by Australia in regard to the Australian PM's spat with Barack Obama. I think the numbers ought be accompanied by a number detailing the number of troops as a percentage of the population of the nations. Rune X2 10:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percentage 

message: The title of the article states that the subject is  the "Multinational force in Iraq" – much of the article moves way beyond this narrow subject. Except for a short introduction in the header, the article should be pruned of all comments to do with rational of invasion or of the rationale of guerrillas and "terrorists", mission objectives etc. These subjects are addressed in the article proper to do with the Iraq War. Rune X2 10:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a garbage-y article, more like it was trying to be a newspaper for 'who has left Iraq' as it occurred. it has little merit the way it is presented. 162.213.136.97 (talk) 23:50, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article content bloat 

message: Pointing out in that section...
"Crystal Stefanik was fired from her job for killing civilians with her fat arms that flew off of her shoulder blades while dancing to Funkytown. Also, she sat on a little Iraqi boy as a punnshment for sitting in her hourly meal of a pund of Spam. Crystals mom had no comment."
W.T.F. I don't know what correct information was there before, so I'll let someone more informed take care of it. Lord GS-41 17:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted back several edits from the unregistered user at IP 205.235.59.98. This IP has already been blocked several times for vandalism (User talk:205.235.59.98)... I don't know how to do that or warn him or nominate him or whatever... but I'm putting this here so it's on record. Midnightdreary 17:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism: The occupation of Iraq 

message: I'm slightly confused that theyre down as currently having "less than 100 soldiers", yet at the same time "more than 1000". 1 is wrong does anyone know whitch?
The latter one is wrong and I've corrected it- they have 15 soldiers in Iraq at the moment. 
Buttockhat 13:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Dutch

message: The articles introduction begins noting that "the official White House list of the coalition shows 48 member states, excluding Costa Rica" (which requested to be removed from the list). Yet it seems a number of those coalition countries have withdrawn their troop committments. Do they still remain on the list if troops are withdrawn - it seems so, unless they request to have their names removed, as did Costa Rica, which had no troops anyway? The situation should be made clear in the intro. - Matthew238 02:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Member States

message: What's the deal with Angola?  It's shown on the map as being a part of the original coalition, but there's nothing about it's every having troops there.  Did it?  If not there should be a section noting countries that were listed as part of the coalition but didn't actually commit any troops.  Also, if true, the citation of Michael Moore that several countries had no army should be explained (I seem to recall hearing about this at the time, but don't remember what they were). KarlM 08:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Angola

message: Slovenia is not a member of multinational forces in Iraq. It has instructurs in Nato Training Mission in Iraq. I would propose to make another article about NATO involvement in Iraq.
It's plainly wrong to add Slovenia to the list of multinational forces. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.165.99.204 (talk) 14:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slovenia is not part of the multinational forces in Iraq! 

message: Palau might be a member of the coalition of the willing.--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 18:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palau 

message: I've been reading through some of the opening paragraphs, and one easily gets the impression that much of it is biased in support of the invasion and occupation. Some parts could literally have come from the desks of American commanders. Official U.S. statements are the basis of many of the opening paragraphs and are repeated multiple times, while the massive anti-war sentiment in both the West and the Middle East is blatantly downplayed and almost ridiculed. The many controversies and fabrications regarding their case for war are totally ignored. President Bush's quotes and Coalition military objectives are given authority, while any 'critcism' is mentioned in passing within the last couple of lines...
This is Wikipedia, not the CENTCOM Public Relations Department. Come on people, we can do better than this. --Buttockhat 09:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whole article needs thorough review 

message: Can somebody please explain how to edit this, as some entries are out of date. --Buttockhat 09:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 'Troop deployment in Iraq 2003-present Chart 

message: The intro and everything down to the hard details really are lacking in attributions to verifiable sources and are as of today, making claims without presenting any sort of source to back those claims up. Drawing conclusions without sourcing the material is against policy. Tagged to give Buttockhat a chance to repair his work. Kyaa the Catlord 15:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do not add information to the article that is not properly sourced. Thank you. Kyaa the Catlord 22:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Added OR template

message: I noticed that most of the cites in this article aren't styled very well. Take the first three for example -- assertion1, assertion2
, assertion3.
IMHO it would be much more useful if the corresponding cites instead of appearing as something like:
References
# ^ http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/11/20/prague.bush.nato/
# ^ http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030327-10.html
# ^ http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/breuropera/74.php?nid=&id=&pnt=74&lb=breu
... they appeared as something like (using cite.php tags)
References
or (using ref_label/note_label templates to hook the links and backlinks together) if assertion1, assertion2, assertion3 appeared as something like:
References (note the manually-maintained alphabetical ordering of cited sources)
*CNN 20 Nov 2002: 
*WH.gov 27 Mar 2003: 
*WPO.org 14 Oct 2005: 
The cite.php method is more common in the wikipedia articles I've read; the ref/note templates produce more useful inline cite labels (IMHO), but editors are less likely to be familar with these than with cite.php tags.  Can we have a discussion or a straw poll about:
#should the cites in this article be beautified?
#if so, beautified in what style?
There are currently about 50 cites in the article; at the rate of 10 per day, beautifying them would take 5 days of part-time work.  I'm willing to work on that (alone if need be, in combination with others if possible).  How about it? -- Boracay Bill 02:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improving cites 

message: There seems to be some question about this, which affects whether Australia is "... in the coalition" at a level of "More than 1,000 soldiers" or "More than 100 soldiers". The answer to this question seems to depend on the answer to a Clintonesque question asking: "What is the meaning of the term in".
The Australian Government, at http://www.defence.gov.au/opcatalyst/, says, "Operation Catalyst is the Australian Defence Force (ADF) contribution to the rehabilitation and reconstruction of Iraq. [...] Operation Catalyst currently comprises up to 1575 Australian Defence Force personnel."
In his edit of 16:20, May 22, 2007, User:Buttockhat said: "kept the 'More than 100 soldiers' one, because 518 troops + 100 embassy guards + 20 advisors doesn't total more than 1000".  I have not moved the Australia entry up to "More than 1,000 soldiers", but I do question its placement under "More than 100 soldiers". -- Boracay Bill 23:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Level of Australian participation in the coalition 

message: Latvia withdrew its troops in the second half of June, alas I do not remember the exact date. By the way, does anybody know about the current status of Mongolian peacekeepers (their mandate expired in April).Dimts 05:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Latvia

message: I cannot access the table Iraq War Coalition troop deployment. There is a minor correction that should be made. Namely, Macedonian troops are deployed from June 2003 (6/03), not from July 2003 (7/03). Please make that correction (Zdravko mk 08:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Macedonia

message: Does anyone have verification for the number soldiers various countries have sent (and withdrawn).  Most sources I see quote the number of Nicaraguan soldiers at 115, though here the number withdrawn is listed at 230, exactly twice that.  Seems strange.  The New York Times quotes 115, as do a variety of other sources.Sammermpc 18:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Troop number sources?

message: Anyone else think that United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq should be moved back to its own page, rather than as a subsection here?  Most UN mandates have their own pages, and I don't think this one is less deserving.  There are many resolutions and reports out of the UN concerning only it.  Having its own page makes it much more easy to reference to wikipedia from outside webpages and to mark-up the word UNAMI wherever it occurs in a document.  This is one of the many utilizations of wikipedia from the rest of the net.Goatchurch 08:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: UNAMI

message: PSCs do not fall under MNF-I organizational structure, and do not belong in this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.140.52 (talk) 22:57, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Private Security Contractors 

message: Unless I'm mistaken, all 200 remaining South Korean forces were withdrawn following the Korean hostage crisis earlier this year. Can anyone confirm this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.13.202 (talk) 10:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Korea 

message: Where does it come from that EstPla 11 is special forces? 71.102.74.156 (talk) 18:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EstPla 11 

message: Ukraine has withdrawn all of the soldiers, but 26 officers and 8 ncos are still deployed there. How and where would it be to best note this? ref on Ukrainian MOD website - http://www.mil.gov.ua/index.php?part=peacekeeping&lang=ua&sub=iraq Ceriy (talk) 04:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukraine 

message: Why is there no article on Jeffery Hammond (Jeffery W. Hammond), the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq? Badagnani (talk) 05:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jeffery Hammond]] 

message: There's a lot of confusion in the difference between these two.  The Corps controls virtually all combat forces in the area, whereas MNF-I is more or less a big tent that Corps and MNSTC-I fall under that provides a lot of political top cover for the Corps.  A citation explaining this in more detail (Something like a subheading reading "subordinate commands to MNF-I") might be well served.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.178.9.226 (talk) 23:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  MNF-I vs MNC-I 

message: no mention of US disrespect for UN resolutions that call for respecting territorial integrity..how can iraqi freedom fighters who are fighting illegal invaders be called "insurgents"? is iraq the home country of us troops?!!!!?!?!?!?? npov tag fitCityvalyu (talk) 09:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  anti iraq bias 

message: How do I edit that table?  Poland has pulled out? Czolgolz (talk) 18:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Table

message: The section "List of nations in the coalition" needs to be updated alongside the other info about national forces that have changed their activities in Iraq. 
Czech Republic and South Korean forces are believed to have been withdrawn from Iraq, yet they are listed under "Current deployment by country"... 83.108.233.168 (talk) 16:33, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of nations in the coalition 

message: Who ever maintains the list of coalition nations in Iraq needs to remove the Ukraine, the have officially withdrawn from Iraq and their mission has complete.  http://www.army.mil/-news/2008/12/11/15056-ukrainians-complete-mission-in-iraq/ CAMP ECHO, Iraq - The Ukrainian Army hosted an end of mission ceremony at Camp Echo in Central Iraq, Dec. 9.
More than 5,000 Ukrainian troops have served in Iraq during Ukraine's five years of service in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.''
-Signaleer (talk) 20:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, and thanks for bringing it to our attention.  Someone needs to change that big chart.Czolgolz (talk) 21:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ukraine Withdraw from Iraq

message: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24812712-5005961,00.html
Okay, according to this article, Moldova and Albania have left Iraq.  I'll make the neccessary changes.  This article does not mention Bulgarian troops, which has stated they would be out of Iraq by the end of 2008.  Have they left?  This article (and the MNF page) do not mention Singapore, but since their contributions are naval, they may not be considered 'in Iraq'.  Both this article and the MNF website list Denmark and Lithuania as still participating.  Does anyone have any information on these countries? Czolgolz (talk) 15:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like Bulgaria is gone as well. Can anyone confirm Denmark and Lithuania?Czolgolz (talk) 16:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

text: And Lithuania was in Iraq at least through the summerCzolgolz (talk) 16:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

text: This article states there were Danish troops in Iraq at late as October, 2008, but does not say how many.Czolgolz (talk) 17:21, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Big kudos to whoever finally got the facts for Denmark and Singapore.  Great work.Czolgolz (talk) 02:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Moldova, Albania, Bulgaria, Singapore, Denmark, and Lithuania

message: An IP address user keeps sticking Singapore back in the list, using this year and a half old blog as a source http://www.radaronline.com/features/2007/06/iraq_coalition_of_the_willing_poland_romania_singapore.php
The same source lists several other countries that have pulled out, such as Poland.  I've reverted this edit about a dozen times and I'm getting tired of it. Czolgolz (talk) 15:08, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Singapore

message: Could you please help with info on current deployment in Iraq. I think El Salvador has pulled out January 1st. Can someone confirm and update the big chart ? Methinks only Romania has remained there alongside US, UK and Australia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crissim99 (talk • contribs) 14:21, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard rumors to that effect too, but can't find any confirmation. Czolgolz (talk) 16:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multinational Force January 2009 

message: In regards to bribes for troops? The "inventions" suggest that the US bribed countries to participate, or threatened to withhold aid. 
75.179.163.66 (talk) 17:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is the article supporting speculation as a valid argument? 

message: I thought Georgia pulled only half of the contigent consisted of 2000 men, out of Iraq. Can anyone write down a source ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.196.8.154 (talk) 12:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Georgia 

message: Some IP address keeps reverting the Romanian pullout because the official multinational force page hasn't been updated for a couple of months. However, this article seems to say Romania ended their mission on June 4th. http://www.defenselink.mil/News/newsarticle.aspx?id=54700 Anyone find something that disproves this? Czolgolz (talk) 04:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems Romania is out, and the source you have here, shows they are out. And it seems to be a very reliable source. Both Romania and Australia has to withdrawal within July 31st, and there will be good sources on the web when this happen, we don't need to use official sites all the time. Heres a few more references on Romania:  - 83.108.235.67 (talk) 13:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

text: As far as I am concerned, this article is about the military command. Whether there are Romanian citizens in the country or not is of less importance, at least in my opinion. If their mission has ended, than that's it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.2.105 (talk) 21:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Romania

message: When Australia and Romania have withdrawn their forces, the command will change name to U.S. Forces Iraq. I think this should be added to the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.2.105 (talk) 21:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's still about the international/multinational forces that have or are operating in Iraq. 83.108.235.67 (talk) 22:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: U.S. Forces Iraq will be a new command, which will have a new article. Combined Joint Task Force 7 and Combined Force Land Component Command also have their own separate articles. Buckshot06 (talk) 22:55, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of name 

message: According to Reference #90, Romania formally terminated its mission on June 4 2009. Romania needs to be taken out of the "More than 100 Military personnel" section and be included in the "2009 withdrawals section.  
Reenem (talk)
:Yeah, some people attack this article with reverts and changes, just cos of one country is out or not. Their most likely out, and just cos the official site aint updated, dont mean they still there. Several sources say their out, maybe we need another semi or full block again... 83.108.193.157 (talk) 19:44, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanian Forces 

message: Theres now 124.000 U.S. units in Iraq. It is to be cut down to about 120.000 by October, and the mission is to end in August 2010. . Jørgen88 (talk) 07:26, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 1 Nov 07 US deployment map is at . 203.97.106.191 (talk) 03:40, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New info 

message: Article says:  "Iceland had a total of three troops, including two Explosive Ordnance Disposal experts, a medical advisor, and some transport experts assigned to the Danish unit immediately after the occupation began; they have since been withdrawn."  Simple math shows there is a minimum of 4-5 (2 EOD, 1 medical, "some" transport experts), not the "total of three troops."  If any were non military, would they be included in this?
Separate, but related, question:  How can Iceland deploy "troops" when it has no military?  The article on Iceland (under the "Military" section) says that Iceland's Coast Guard EOD was deployed (but not how many), and the rest were part of the Iceland Crisis Response Unit (ICRU), which seems to be equivalent to a State Department/Foreign Ministry security force or  National Guard unit in the US (not exactly, but that's what seems closest).  The ICRU is under the Department of Foreign Affairs, but at the same time have military rankings.
It may be that I'm just confused about how they can deploy what I would refer to as "troops," without a military, or what I would think of as a military. 108.90.80.171 (talk) 10:00, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iceland 

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message: Thousands of Ugandan nationals served as armed security guards at allied installations in Iraq. While these deployments were generally organized under private contracts, President Museveni actively encouraged the effort, and is referred to sometimes as a member of the American coalition, as in this article:
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2009/0306/p04s02-woaf.html
I believe there is some nuance to this case - Ugandan personnel are perhaps more accurately characterized as affiliated but unofficial members of the coalition force. Still, it may be good to include a note about the subject within the encyclopedia text. 2604:6000:1521:C08D:B0A5:BC58:A9F0:8E49 (talk) 21:41, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Private military contractors (PMCs) that served in Iraq, regardless of their nationality, did so as PMCs and not as official uniformed armed forces personnel representing their respective host nations.  This is an undisputed fact and a moot topic. -Signaleer (talk) 00:35, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, as I myself said in the above. This context can easily be included in any text. I am merely suggesting that the encyclopedia includes some record that these thousands of people served in the war. It is not complicated to preface any such note with an explanatory clause, i.e. "While security contractors did not serve in an official military capacity, over 1,200 Ugandan nationals operated as armed guards during the Iraq War. For this reason, Uganda is sometimes referred to as a member of the American coalition, though they were not a party to the formal MNF." 2604:6000:1521:C08D:B0A5:BC58:A9F0:8E49 (talk) 19:22, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
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