Talk:Saab Lofton

message: Does anyone know when was Lofton born?--207.200.116.202 09:36, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Check under "the personal" part of his website. The paragraph dealing with his history is taken verbatim from there. 71.217.2.24 21:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most if not all of the information here was lifted directly off of his website, written by him. 

message: We got an emailed complaint from the subject of the article. I've referred it to WP:BLPN. In the meantime, the article has no third-party references and badly needs some - David Gerard (talk) 18:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complaint from subject 

message: I've looked into the books listed in the bibliography... The first was published by a small defunct anarchist publisher which describes itself as publishing "pamphlets", sold out and was not reprinted. The second was described by Pop Occulture Magazine as "obviously a low-budget and quite-possibly home-printed affair". There is no evidence that either of these books received a credible review, much less meet WP:BOOK. Journalists are a dime-a-dozen and not automatically notable, and these books don't appear to establish notability either.
Therefore I am proposing deletion of the article. If the tag is remove, would someone please nominate for deletion? I can't as I can't create the deletion page... 67.67.219.223 (talk) 19:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll keep an eye on it. I also find it a little hard to believe that he was kicked out of San Francisco State for writing a novel that was "too radical." :-) Steve Dufour (talk) 20:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I went looking for sources, didn't find any, agreed with proposed deletion.-- phoebe / (talk to me) 18:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Greetings. I'm fairly new to Wikipedia editing, but I went ahead and tried to get the entry to comply to the biography guidelines. I'd figured it'd be good practice. If there's enough there to keep it from deletion, perhaps someone could suggest ways I could improve it further? Thanks for everyone's time and consideration. Potemkin01 (talk) 23:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:BIO. 67.67.219.223 (talk) 02:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He's written two books, and people have said on this talk page that they've come here looking for information about him. That would seem to make him notable. I did read the notable article. My revision added information and many sources, and he's been the subject of quite a few interviews, etc. I would like to revert back to the previous revision...Potemkin01 (talk) 03:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of your sources were no good. You can't use links to the book's publisher for example, or to amazon.com, to establish any thing. The publisher is not independent, and amazon is a commercial site which we can't link to. You can't just link to the newspapers or websites that the subject has worked for or published on. To establish notability, you have to provide multiple independent reliable sources by third parties who have written about the subject. Having had a couple of books published does not make the person notable.  Read about verifiability, reliable sources, how to cite, what make a book notable, etc. 67.67.219.223 (talk) 22:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

text: We also do not allow text anchored links like this, Wikipedia, in the body of the text. All such external links belong at the end of the article in the external links section. Also, sentence like "Joe Blow wrote for The New York Times" is still an unsupported assertion. You must link not just to the main page for the paper for which he allegedly worked, but to some proof that he worked there, typically either a biography of the subject or at least a staff list that includes him. So, you would say, "The subject worked for such and such a company between 1999 and 2002.[link to a reliable source which says the same]. That's not really what you did. You still need to spend some time learning Wikipedia requirements. I suspect when you learn what kind of sources an article requires, you will understand that this subject has not yet attained the necessary notability. 67.67.219.223 (talk) 22:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I really appreciate your taking the time to explain everything. I will do much more reading. Potemkin01 (talk) 07:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose deletion 

message: I see that the entry has been reorganized and protected. I think I can provide some sources for the new entry.
Here is a URL to Lofton's alumni page at Evergreen State College: http://www.evergreen.edu/alumni/writersproject/saablofton.htm, alternatively he is listed on the "Alumni Writers Project" page, also at Evergreen State: http://www.evergreen.edu/alumni/writersproject/home.htm
As far as needing a citation for his City Life column, I did a search for authors between 2001 and 2006 (I don't know when he started, but he left sometime in 2005) and came up with many links to his different stories . Would a link to any of these be of use, or do you need something that actually lists him as a contributor? Thanks. Potemkin01 (talk) 08:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

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