Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Archive 14

message: What is this: Adorons.com? --βritandβeyonce (talk•contribs) 12:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously, a clone! --Weekeejames (talk) 15:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I wanted to say is what are we going do on this, the wikipedia itself? --βritandβeyonce (talk•contribs)  11:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You may ask that question at the meta wiki - the facilitator of the wikimedia projects that includes wikipedia. That's beyond the scope of tambayan :D  --Weekeejames 18:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Identical 

message: Hi all,
I know this is quite off-tangent to us here, but then this is where I can find people who know MediaWiki wikitext :)
Along with some friends who are studying law, I've started with the LEX LIBERA project, which aims to create a free database of Philippine laws and court decisions, including articles on specific laws targeted for the ordinary person without legal training (Law for the People) and case digests targeted for the hurried law student (Case Digests Project).
The content-management system is MediaWiki, so if you are comfortable editing Wikipedia, you would also be fine with Lex Libera. The license of the product is not yet decided by the community, but it will be a copyleft license, allowing noncommercial reuse and redistribution.
FYI, there are two commercial CD compilations of laws and court decisions in the Philippines: Lex Libris from CDAsia and Phil Juris from Gigabytes Research Systems, Inc. Both of these CD collections are quite expensive, as any law student would tell you, despite the fact that what they contain are actually unprotected by copyright according to P.D. 49.
Philippine laws are available from http://www.congress.gov.ph and court decisions are available from http://www.supremecourt.gov.ph. The project will simply collect these laws and court decisions and link  the entries conceptually.
Please do not reply to this note here as this is not related to Wikipedia, and I had sent invitations to other communities. Instead, post your comments in the project's Forum page.
Respectfully yours,
Bentong Isles
LEX LIBERA Project  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bentong Isles (talk • contribs) 08:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philippine law wiki database 

message: ... if I may further clarify Sky Harbor, is to be a dictionary of all words in all languages, but defined using a particular language. That's why we have an entry for "日本" in the English Wiktionary. So there's little sense in having Wiktionaries for mutually intelligible dialects of the same language. --seav (talk) 16:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that is correct.  To answer Filipinayzd's point, this means that the word "pangga" can be inserted, just with a Tagalog definition.  --Sky Harbor 11:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It can be added as an entry, in fact, every single word in the world. But not as part of its vocabulary. Can you find, balakubak, in an English dictionary? No. English's boondock (assimilated/"Englishized") and Tagalog's bundok (where it came from) have different meaning. -Filipinayzd  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.1.25.82 (talk) 15:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But it appears that the English Wiktionary is not just your ordinary English dictionary, it's an English dictionary for every word in every language in the face of the earth. Who knows I can even find sign language words there. And please, can't you just sign in? It's a lot easier typing ~~~~ than typing (or even copying) "Filipinayzd" --Howard the Duck 15:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The role of a Wiktionary... 

message: :"Tambayan Philippines is a regional notice board for articles related to the Philippines. Tambayan is a Filipino word which means a place for hanging out." 
Just asking. --Filipinayzd (talk) 15:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it matter? But to humor you, I'd say it's Tagalog, which also makes it nominally Filipino. But that's just my opinion. --seav (talk) 15:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some words can appear in 2 or more languages. --Howard the Duck 15:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Tambayan'', Filipino or Tagalog?

message: So what was the point of this exercise? The same can be done in English:
:English with primarily Latinate vocabulary: I encountered the pensive attorney who assisted me in inquiring about the timid feline and the dormant canine who continue to perspire profusely annually! I am unable to comprehend this unfortunate result prior to the amicable citizens assembling in the oriental cities to purchase benign venison.
:English with primarily Germanic vocabularly: I met the thinking lawyer who helped me ask about the shy cat and the sleeping dog who keep on sweating deeply every year! I cannot understand this unlucky outcome before the friendly townfolk gather in the eastern towns to buy good deer meat.
Yes, these are silly sentences but both of them are more or less conveying the same, basic information, though with slightly different nuances of meaning, but no one would say they are different languages. --Chris S. (talk) 05:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: So...

message: Ok, to sum everything up:
#Filipino is a growing language.
#Filipino borrows from Philippine languages, most especially Tagalog and other languages, most especially English and Spanish.
#Filipino spoken in Bulacan is different from the one spoken in Cebu. (Dialects)
#KWF doesn't have the power to force what dialect of Filipino to use.
#The people have the power on what dialect of Filipino to use for themselves and for other people.
#However, in order for Filipino speakers understand each other, there should be one dialect that'll be the "main, official" dialect. (a.k.a. the Manila dialect via it's media hegemony)
#The Filipino language spoken in Manila is basically Tagalog with English and Spanish loanwords.
#Ergo, more than likely, Filipino=Tagalog.
#Wiktionary can have words from language.
#Wiktionary can have words from dialect of a language (check out color and colour in the English Wiktionary).
--Howard the Duck 17:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: random section break

message: Filipinayzd moved Filipino language to Filipino dialect.  I don't know whether or not to move it back.  --Sky Harbor 00:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why oh why did he do that? If Filipino is a dialect of Tagalog (if that's what he wants to point out), then there is no more reason for a Filipino wikipedia and wictionary. Certainly, I do not agree on that move and neither on the merging of the article Filipino language with Tagalog language. Until there is a clear definition on what is not Filipino and an amendment to the constitution for Filipino to be based [primarily] on Tagalog/Pilipino, then the debate continues... That nonsense move should be reverted back. How could a "national language" be a dialect of itself? Perhaps an article on a dialect can be redirected to its language (and be a section or a subsection of it), but not the other way around.   --Weekeejames 00:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I saw that the day he did it, and I'm not sure how to respond. I've been thinking about the fate of that page, which seems to be mostly repeated information from Tagalog language. For that reason, I have been asking myself if it would be appropriate to simply merge Filipino into the Tagalog article.  Or we could rename the article to something like Filipino (linguistics), Filipino (official language) or even Official language of the Philippines. I'm in no hurry to decide at this point.--Chris S. 03:11, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't we just say what the KWF's stand on this and move/copy everything that is related to how the language is spoken, etc. to Tagalog language, while keeping Filipino language where it supposedly was... --Howard the Duck 00:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad that it was reverted back and that Filipino dialect article is now redirected to the Filipino language article. That move was simply absurd, IMHO. I believe we need to present the Filipino language article more as a highly-debatable concept that is unclear, unresolved, a dilemma or posing problems, with focus more on its current evolving and developing character and not as what we interpret it to be. The lack of regulating powers, lack of enabling laws, its unclear definition in the constitution, the need for an amendment in the constitution, the slow progress of the commission, etc... should help put the article in that perspective with the right references/sources. --Weekeejames 02:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Out of scope, but then again...

message: The Southeast Asian cinema task force was recently started as a joint project of WikiProject Films and WikiProject Southeast Asia. Editors who are writing about Filipino films are welcome to join the project, where they will find support for collaboration on new articles and the expansion and promotion of existing articles. — WiseKwai 11:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Southeast Asian cinema task force|Southeast Asian cinema task force]] 

message: I was wondering if Tambayan was rating the articles themselves or just the talk pages related to the articles. Can anyone please tell me?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heroditoes (talk • contribs) 16:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we do assess Philippine-related articles by ourselves through talk pages but not beyond B-class. GA up to FA is not ours. Anyone could rate anyway. --βritandβeyonce (talk•contribs)  01:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to add to what's already mentioned: the page about the article itself should (ideally) contain only the information about the topic. Ratings are what I'd consider as part of an article's metadata similar to any templates that are found on Talk pages. Putting it in another way: some researchers would want to print just the contents of the article and not the discussion or other miscellaneous information on the Talk pages. --- Tito Pao 04:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is Rated? 

message: I'd like to propose a taskforce for the Tambayan, specifically dealing with Piony TV. Alot of what you have down there seems quite interesting (and I still think that ABS-CBN should experiment with Wowowee in different markets, just what NBC needs to go with a specific other game show), and we need to truly clean it up and expand it and all that. So, think we should launch a Piony TV Taskforce? ViperSnake151 02:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate your efforts, I'm only concerned about the spelling.--Lenticel (talk) 23:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Why? Is Viper not a Filipino? --βritandβeyonce (talk•contribs)  01:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, I'm not. Sorry bout' that, I'm Canadian actually. I just randomly came across the world of Filipino TV one day on Wikipedia, then I noticed how fanboyish and all it was written. ViperSnake151 02:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, welcome Viper to the realm of Pinoys.hehe. Yeah, those articles needs assistance. --βritandβeyonce (talk•contribs)  06:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

text: PS, Piony is cute. --βritandβeyonce (talk•contribs)  06:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/Television Kusog - anyone wanna help me get it all set up on the technical side? ViperSnake151 21:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinoy TV Task Force? 

message: Padala is currently a stub which could use expansion and cleanup. -- Writtenonsand 18:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Padala]] needs your help 

message: Guys, Christmas is just around the corner and if you have cameras, don't forget to take lots of encyclopedic Christmas pictures! Let's virtually decorate the articles on Parol and Christmas in the Philippines. Merry Christmas! :-) --seav 13:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seav, I'm going to DYK Parol in mid-December. When do you plan to add pics so we can synchronize our efforts?--Lenticel (talk) 23:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I plan on taking pictures of the supposedly huge Simbang Gabi celebration at St. James Cathedral in Seattle this Saturday.  Hopefully my pics will turn out nice and be Wikipedia-worthy. ;-P --Chris S. 20:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

text: What do I know? ;-) I will be in a Simbang Gabi (actually, in two masses) this month. I will also be supervising this year's production of our parish's panuluyan. There are also some puto bumbong stalls near our church. I also took a couple of pictures in one of my choirmate's home, which has an electronic parol on it. Our parish will also unveil the belen in our church's main plaza. So I think I can get the pictures as soon as I can :) --- Tito Pao 00:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Would electronic parols made of capiz pass? Because that's the kind of parol I was able to capture on my digicam. (So it seems, real, paper parols are getting rarer every year :P )  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Titopao (talk • contribs) 04:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as long as the parol image looks good then it's ok. I remember making papel de hapon parols during my elemetary years...--Lenticel (talk) 04:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinoy Christmas photos 

message: Does anyone know where the list is? I've seen that page before, I can't find it anymore.--Weekeejames 20:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this was exactly what I was earlier looking for. Thanks. I appreciate it. --Weekeejames 23:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But it's nowhere near complete. For a more complete list, you can check out :Category:Philippine-related articles by quality which currently has 3500 Philippine-related articles. :-) --seav 01:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Another follow up question: how do we send email to another wikipedia user without leaving messages on their talk pages> wasn't this a feature before? I can't seem to find that feature anymore. lol. sorry, im getting noob these days. Thanks. --Weekeejames (talk) 01:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go the user's User page, then look for the "E-mail this user" link at the sidebar under "Toolbox". You can only send an e-mail to a user who has set his/her e-mail address in his/her preferences (you can't tell), and if also you have set your e-mail address too. --seav (talk) 01:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  complete list of all Philippine-related articles 

message: What do we make of these two:
* List of Sultans of Sulu
* Sultan of Sulu and Sabah
Should these be merged into Sulu Sultanate? --seav (talk) 11:31, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely. It should be merged and it needs a grueling clean-up. Hahay. --βritandβeyonce (talk•contribs)  11:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I think the list can survive on its own when the merged article gets too long. --Howard the Duck 13:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sultan of Sulu articles 

message: For Lou Bonnevie. Thanks, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  06:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for expansion 

message: I don't know about this one. Initially I thought of an AFD nom since I don't think this is notable enough, but I'll just bring it up here and let the more experienced editors decide if this article can be saved.— Sandtiger 21:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO, it is notable. Like any other countries who have popular comic book publishing companies, titles, magazines, it deserves its own article. It may not be widely popular globally, but it is notable in the comic book industry in the Philippines. †Bloodpack† 21:24, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmmm, after reviewing the article, it does have a touch of WP:COI issues. It doesn't follow WP:COMIC proper guidelines and exemplar on writing a better comic related article. I'll try to wikify the article when I get the chance, or endorse it to our notice board †Bloodpack† 21:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I just endorsed it here †Bloodpack† 21:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I had been reading CCC before. But I'm not aware of any 3rd-party reliable sources to source info for its article. --seav (talk) 00:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haven't seen the article yet (yep, I've been that wikilazy the past few months) but as a publication commonly seen in most major bookstores and comic stores around the country (or MEtro Manila at least), it should have an article. Shrumster (talk) 22:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Culture Crash Comics]] 

message: Hmmm... Didn't we have a discussion about this a month or so back?
Inquirer.net article: Students should use Wikipedia -- founder
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view_article.php?article_id=105508 Alternativity (talk) 18:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. This information brought me back to my discussions on "Sad Thing" (it's archived). Now, who says Wiki is sloppy? Hindi na ngayon. --βritandβeyonce (talk•contribs)  06:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jimmy Wales]] says... 

message: Have you seen the Main Page of the Tagalog Wikipedia? It has been majorly vandalised. - Emir214 (talk) 07:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm currently reverting all changes made by User:MadeAryawanKute. - Emir214 (talk) 07:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted all changes and warned the user. Each template in the Tagalog Main Page should be protected. If the user continues to vandalize articles, he must be blocked immediately. - Emir214 (talk) 07:31, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The main pages and their templates of Wikipedia in other Philippines languages should be protected. That's what I did with the Chavacano Wikipedia and only sysops/admins can edit the first page. --Weekeejames (talk) 13:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I believe the Tagalog Wikipedia had an artificial rise from less than 6,200 last September to 10,000 last October 20 and now its almost 15,000. --Exec8 (talk) 10:09, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's due to User:Wikiboost's articles usually stating the name and country of the city. (eg. Wonju, South Korea) -  Emir214 (talk) 11:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, I saw his contribs and many are starting articles. He says he's not a bot. Can I borrow him for cbk-zam? lol --Weekeejames (talk) 12:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism in Tagalog Wikipedia Main Page 

message: In light of the recent South Korea oil spill, my mind drifted back to our oil spill. Whatever happened to Guimaras oil spill? No [more] media noise means no more interest on this article? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems we usually are so eager to write/edit articles when such events are current and hot news items, and then we eventually forget or do not give importance to those articles anymore. I think the Guimaras oil spill needs help. The Subic rape case too (which I attempted to help a long time ago, but left it). Those who have more access to media info especially those who are in the Philippines, please help these articles.  --Weekeejames (talk) 08:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's the nature of things, I guess. There are plenty of current affairs articles that need attention, like Philippine National Broadband Network controversy. Eventually, these will be taken care of. Be optimistic! --seav (talk) 10:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guimaras oil spill 

message: I believe this article needs to be improved just like the 2005 edition. Based on the last news I read, there are boxing and taekwondo matches rigged. This is the first time I saw the medal standings are completely different from the 2003 and 2005 editions. --Exec8 (talk) 11:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the boxers didn't answer the bell for round 1. Only Semallana fought and he lost 10-4 against his Thai opponent. --Howard the Duck 11:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[2007 Southeast Asian Games]] 

message: This anon editor has been appending "Filipino" to almost any mention of American military forces during World War II such as changing "victory by the American forces" to "victory by the American & Filipino forces." I don't know what to make of it. And I think this has been going on for a few months now with other IP addresses. --seav (talk) 04:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a case-by-case basis. if Pinoy units weren't present, it is perfectly all right to credit the operations solely to Americans (such as the Battle of Corregidor (1945)). --Howard the Duck 04:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It's still a good thing to edit the bias out of articles, though. Much of WWII writing is American-centric.  Seems to me the editor knows what s/he's doing, except for grammar and a hint of overzealousness here and there. I haven't examined the edits in detail, though.Alternativity (talk) 05:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm leaving those edits alone since I'm in no position to check whether Filipinos accompanied Americans during various battles, campaigns, and sorties. I'm assuming that wherever the user adds "Filipino", that Filipinos actually did join American there. --seav (talk) 06:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird "nationalistic" edits by [[Special:Contributions/210.213.237.52|210.213.237.52]] 

message: I'm not sure if you guys are following behind-the-scenes action here in Wikipedia and Wikimedia in general but I've been hoping that the Wikipedia:Flagged revisions will be implemented here in en.wikipedia for the past few months. The extension software is very customizable and it will probably be used to implement only either one of two mutually exclusive possible scenarios here in en.wikipedia:
# Sighted revisions - only article revisions that have been sighted as not having any vandalism will be shown to anon users and it is hoped that all articles will have at least one sighted revision. This is meant to twarth vandalism by removing the impetus for it. However, it greatly reduces the incentive for helpful anons to edit the page because there is a lack of instant gratification.
# Quality revisions - only article revisions that have been quality-stamped will be shown to anon users and only a subset of all articles will have this stamp. All the other articles behave as before. This is meant to improve the quality reputation of Wikipedia and prevent the publicly-visible degradation of high-quality articles (because edits to an already excellent article tends to degrade it in general than edits to other pages). The problem with this is that it doesn't address the widespread vandal problem that wears down dedicated contributors.
--seav (talk) 10:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flagged revisions 

message: Can an admin full-protect this article. A certain user has been redisplaying the ratings log and s/he doesn't want to talk. --Howard the Duck 03:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  have you reported the user to the 3RR notice board? Also be carefull not to fuel a edit war as you've also broken the 3 revert rule (and this isn't a case of vandalisim or anything else the justify doing so). harlock_jds (talk) 04:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  that's the reason why I'm not reporting this to 3RR >:) --Howard the Duck 04:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I nominated a Marimar ratings article a while ago. Is this the effect of removing that article?--Lenticel (talk) 12:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that was crated to make the person adding it in the main article happy. Personally i don't think it belongs either in the show's article or in it's own as the idea of tracking the ratings for a daily show seems amazingly silly, petty and way out of the scope of wikipedia (no matter what the show).harlock_jds (talk) 12:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd recommend a full-protection of that article for 5 days so that the person will at least attempt to talk about it. Ratings are rather notable, but a ratings log isn't. I'd even allow a monthly rating log, but that's about it. That person even removed the  tag I added since it wasn't sourced. --Howard the Duck 12:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  And can an admin investigate the deleted history of the ratings article? Maybe they're the same person. --Howard the Duck 12:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  User:Ladysoseono was the creator of the ratings article, I don't know about the cotributors though.--Lenticel (talk) 04:21, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems they're 2 different users then. --Howard the Duck 04:25, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admin help: [[Marimar (Philippine TV series)]] 

message: I'm over the next few days, going to be making some adjustments to the front page of the Tambayan, such as integrating some of the sections into Templates so that we don't have to edit the entire page just to edit one section. I also plan on giving the styling of the page a bit more pizzaz, possibly using Ambox here and there too. ViperSnake151 01:13, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest to place the head section (intro) into the main page itself instead of a transcluded subpage. Also, there's a need for a new section to handle the departments: Assessment and Collaboration. --seav (talk) 02:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tweaking the front page of our project 

message: Starting from this edit, this article is full of WP:OR! --bluemask (talk) 10:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please help monitoring this article and its talk page, I think I struck the nerve of anonymous editor who is apparently working for a politician. --bluemask (talk) 13:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only way for that to be cleaned is like what I did for the 2007 election article: cleanup the article when nobody cares about it anymore. --Howard the Duck 14:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

text:  Er... is there an admin we can ask to look into this every now and then? Hehe. Don't want to find myself in the middle of an edit war right now. Too many other things keeping me busy in real life. (Hence the wikibonked tag on my user page!)Alternativity (talk) 08:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Philippine general election, 2010]] 

message: Hi, Pinoy WP peeps!
I'm working on the Bagets page right now, and if you want to help out, holla back. thanks! Eaglestorm (talk) 02:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bagets 

message: Er... I dunno if it's really appropriate to do so here, but I can't think of any other place to say... Merry Christmas, Tambayan Philippines! :-D Alternativity (talk) 04:22, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The 15,000th Tagalog Wikipedia article was "Pasko sa Pilipinas" --Exec8 (talk) 18:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Merry Christmas!!! --βritandβeyonce (talk•contribs) 05:57, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Even though my mom doesn't know  this Tagalog song (only Illocano), Christmas Greetings to all. --Ancheta Wis (talk) 19:22, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greetings 

message: This anon has been changing around some of the articles, changing around the call letters in places. I reverted most of his edits, I highly suggest you check on his revisions for validity. ViperSnake151 14:15, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about 124.106.9.46? I'll revert the edits from the 124.106.9.xxx range if I spot them. --Howard the Duck 16:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  be careful of 124.106.9.56 

message: Hi. The Military history of the Philippines during World War II article is very sketchy and on its page there is a red link for an article about the Japanese occupation of the Philippines (1941-1945) a very important subject that is still needed as there are already articles about: the Japanese occupation of Burma; Japanese occupation of Hong Kong; Japanese occupation of Indonesia; Japanese occupation of Malaya, North Borneo and Sarawak and Japanese occupation of Singapore, so this gap is glaring. Anyone with and interest or expertise in this topic is welcome to start writing it. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 11:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needed: Japanese occupation of the Philippines (1941-1945) 

message: Hi. I recently expanded the entry for National Scientist Dr. Fe Del Mundo originally created by Algarne 34. I also created for it a redirect page "Fe Del Mundo", but I think that "Fe Del Mundo", rather than "Dr. Fe Del Mundo", should be the main entry. I'm just not too sure about the protocol regarding moving pages, and I'd appreciate any advise or action regarding that. Thanks! --Anyo Niminus (talk) 15:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the new article is name is "totally" logical and undisputable, I suggest moving it rather than redirecting it -- redirecting it will make it impossible for normal users to move it since it'll require admin intervention. Anyway, I moved it to "Fe del Mundo". --Howard the Duck 15:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was mucho rapido! Thanks.--Anyo Niminus (talk) 15:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I think this qualifies for DYK! Somebody go and nominate it! --seav (talk) 16:10, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I nominated it for DYK here--Lenticel (talk) 21:48, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Appreciate it.--Anyo Niminus (talk) 05:49, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

text: updated the article with referenced information on the strike and the takeover by STI/Accent. Anyo Niminus (talk) 05:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fe Del Mundo 

message: Guys I'll need all of the help I can get to remove these crap from Wikipedia, it's been established that they don't add anything and most of the time are invented by fanboys (not related to the current AGB - ABS-CBN suit) and are unsourced. --Howard the Duck 11:58, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Are these affecting all TV articles? Or just the popular currently airing ones? --seav (talk) 02:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Both current and past primetime programs. --Howard the Duck 02:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TV ratings log 

message: Just heard in the news yesterday that ABS-CBN is yet again involved in another legal controversy where their news vehicle/driver accidently hit/ran over an old poor bystander in a provincial carinderia (can't remember exactly where). Currently, the culprit is detained and refused to give any statements. On the other hand, the network extended their sympathy and financial condolences to the relatives of this poor woman. Can anyone include this and its details (cite)? thanks! †Bloodpack† 15:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would question notability of the controversy. harlock_jds (talk) 15:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In what manner? As I noticed the illegal dismissal of the network's 2 other employees in the said section. Are they also noteworthy? †Bloodpack† 15:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Honestly i question the notability of that too as i don't think we need to list every legal action against a company and the addition of that to the article smacks of Recentism. i expect it would be taken out at some point in a article cleanup unless their are a lot more cases of illegal dismissals harlock_jds (talk) 16:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I have yet to read the news article about it. Starczamora (talk) 15:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Harlock jds. Come to think of it, it is simply someone who commited homicide that happens to be employed by a notable company. This is not as notable as the Wowowee stampede. Should the crime be commited by someone unemployed or employed on a non-notable company, I think we will not even think of putting it in the wiki. Actually I saw the news item on GMA hmmmm...--Lenticel (talk) 23:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: LoL...of course, you can expect GMA to do that. Anything just to sling mud on ABS's face in the light of the ratings accusations, albeit in a subtle way ;-) --- Tito Pao (talk) 00:45, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Speaking of recentism, somebody created an article (AGB Nielsen Philippine TV ratings controversy) about the recent dispute of the two giant networks. --Jojit (talk) 08:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  That i can see being a bigger deal but my god someone needs to add some references to it :Dharlock_jds (talk) 11:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  help with [[ABS-CBN]] legal controversies/issues 

message: I'm looking for the etymologies of some provincial names. I've scoured Wikipedia and only these provinces don't have an explanation:
*Palawan
*Siquijor
*Leyte
*Surigao del Norte (and del Sur)
*Misamis Occidental (and Oriental)
*Tawi-Tawi
*Masbate
Thanks. --Howard the Duck 05:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a long list at provinces of the Philippines but I moved it to its own article. I'm also creating a map so it'll be helpful if it is complete. And if anyone can add the languages in which they came from it'll be better. --Howard the Duck 11:29, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: added some refs on the etymology article's talk page.--Lenticel (talk) 00:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

text: It seems that Tawi-Tawi means "very far away" (perhaps in the same use as "layo-layo"). It'll be great if this'll be added at the main article. --Howard the Duck 06:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Here's what I've found:
*Palawan - Ancient Chinese travelers referred to the islands of Palawan--back when they were migrating from the Philippines to Borneo--as Kla-ma-yan (Calamian), Plau-ye (Palawan), and Paki-nung (Busuanga).Provincial Government of Palawan official website, History and Culture section
*Siquijor - There are two versions, but both have to do with the term "Kihod".  One version refers to "Kihod" as a legendary ruler in the island, while the other refers to "Kihod" as the "beginning of low tide".Siquijor.com, History section
*Leyte - The island was called "Abuyo" during Spanish contact (either out of miscommunication of "Ah buyog!", it's a bee; or a Waray term for "agreeable").  The name became Leyte out of corruption of the term "Ira Ete" (belonging to Ete), referring to the birth name of Rajah Bankaw. Leyte: A Forgotten Symbol
of Resistance Movements in the Visayas
*Surigao - An ancient name, where the area was ruled by Datu Solibao.  The Spaniards then changed the name into "Caraga", based on the Caraga Visayans inhabiting the area.Surigao City official website, History section  It is also claimed that the name came from the Spanish word "surgir" (swift water or current).Surigao City - Gateway to Mindanao, History section
*Misamis - Derived from the Subanen word "kuyamis" (a variety of sweet coconut), then the Spaniards changed it to "Misamis" so they could pronounce it better.Misamis Occidental Government official website, History section
*Tawi-Tawi - From an old Malay word "jaui" (far). Provincial 
Government of Tawi-Tawi official website; People, Culture, and Arts section
*Masbate - Said to be derived from a miscommunication between Spaniards and the natives, where the latter replied "mas bati" (I am beating some cocoa).Cockatoo Database Philippines, Masbate section Starczamora (talk) 14:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymologies 

message: After WikiPilipinas, its Google's knol. So what do you think? --Exec8 (talk) 12:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's from Google, it must be evil.  Just kidding. Starczamora (talk) 23:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  So what do you think of [[knol]]? 

message: Quezon City by ABS-CBN News --bluemask (talk) 07:21, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since images in Wikipedia are supposed to be freely-distributed, I don't see the problem with it. Starczamora (talk) 23:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Usage is ok as long as the terms of the licenses are followed. But ABS-CBN did not follow the terms which makes their usage illegal. --seav (talk) 05:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I sent an e-mail and they have now removed the image. See, it's easy! --seav (talk) 12:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncredited locator map sighting 

message: I think is is the first time we had an Arbcom case regarding the edit warring on a Philippine-related article. (Was there an Arbcom case related to Iglesia ni Cristo?) Anyway, RodentofDeath was banned for one year. --seav (talk) 05:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK, this is the first ArbCom case related to a Filipino editor, but just to be sure, lemme check the ArbCom archives. Actually, involving two Filipino editors; apparently, Susanbryce had admitted that her Tagalog is better than her English. I've been following this case for sometime partly because I was involved in reminding/warning both readers back when the other related articles were just starting to grow. She even cited one of her responses to my comments at a Talk page as proof that she did try to seek the help of other editors in order to help clean up the articles :P --- Tito Pao (talk) 08:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Found it! Here's the ArbCom case involving the edits on the INC article: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Emico. So the RodentOfDeath/Susanbryce case might be the second, unless there are other ArbCom cases involving Pinoys that we haven't heard of (yet). Anyway, the Emico case looks interesting, it also provides some assessment of articles relating to the INC, also raises some points about the lack of sources with regard to the subject matter. The case is also interesting because the complainant/petitioner received a longer suspension/block as compared to the editor he complained about (although the defendant was banned from the affected articles).     --- Tito Pao (talk) 08:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Angeles City]]-related Arbcom case: [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/RodentofDeath|RodentofDeath]] 

message: As we are all aware of the controversial "growth" of the Tagalog Wikipedia, Felipe Aira pursued a request for CheckUser on Meta to determine once and for all the veracity of claims that the exponential growth of the Tagalog Wikipedia was bot-induced.  The results are as follows (and I do not think someone among us would like the results):
*The same person is most definitely behind the following users: tl:User:Wikiboost, tl:User:Exec8 and tl:User:Fbangizm
*The same person is quite possibly behind users tl:User:Booster gold, tl:User:Kct528, tl:User:Anjanette 23 and maybe tl:User:Seite0324
*The same person is most definitely behind tl:User:Auto007 and tl:User:Emir214
I'm vouching for both Emir214 and Exec8 as being real users and not bots (yes, even legit users were tagged as bots) on both Meta and the Tagalog Wikipedia.  But at least it gives credence to claims that the growth of the Tagalog Wikipedia is most likely bot-induced.  --Sky Harbor 13:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we know who's who.  Only thing we need to do is to finally clarify who's what.  I find it odd that bots created are not bots from their owners' point of view, unless the ones in question can explain how they can make such a large number of articles in such a short amount of time.  --Sky Harbor 00:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Hey why am I here? I don't contribute much to wikipedia these days. But I admit I share internet connection with my boardmates. --Exec8 (talk) 00:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CheckUser controversy 

message: There are 23 senators right? If 17 voted in favor of the UP Charter, 0 abstained and 0 voted against it. What happened to the others? I'd like to work on the voting record of each senator in the 14th senate, and I'm confused. Alternativity (talk) 16:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Absent? --seav (talk) 17:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That was my first guess. Looks like it.  I just kinda want confirmation.  I don't intend to use the data, I just want to make sure there are no holes in my research. :-D Alternativity (talk) 20:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Is this a current event? --Howard the Duck 17:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not "current" in the sense that it happened yesterday, but "current" in the sense that I'm looking at the 14th senate right now. I hope to move on to the 13th then 12th senates eventually. I suppose the applicable rules are more those for living persons, rather than those for current events. And oh, I could use some help doing this. :-D I'm mining the data from the senate website's statistical data.Alternativity (talk) 20:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification regarding votes for senate bills 

message: Anyone want to support a Philippine bid for Wikimania 2009?  Perhaps I can bring this into the agenda of the fourth Manila Wikipedians' Meetup.  --Sky Harbor 01:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that a local chapter is not a prerequisite for a Wikimania bid, but I don't think that a 2009 bid would be successful. First of all, Taipei hosted Wikimania 2007 and I don't think they might pick an Asian city again too soon. Second, we don't yet have the resources to organize a Wikimania here. A 2010 bid is much more feasible. --seav (talk) 03:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then I have to wonder: why is Kathmandu bidding itself as a city?  Oh well.  --Sky Harbor 04:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bids for Wikimania 2009 

message: This user may have good intentions in trying to edit Wikipedia as factual as possible, however his recent edits in Pinoy Idol have been quite a pain.  Here are his most recent edits:
*  He kept on insisting that the announcement of Pinoy Idol was held on GMA's New Year's Eve 2008 Presentation, which should be 2007.  If we follow his insistence, New Year's Eve 2008 is on December 31, 2008 which is definitely not the case here.
*  He included an Indonesian interwiki of Pinoy Idol where there isn't any.
*  He included a "feature article" template on the Tagalog article of Pinoy Idol without any nomination and consensus (which I already removed and have reprimanded him on the matter).
I have a feeling that he does not review the edit history of the article and would instead go on "edit-happy mode".  How should we deal with users like him? Starczamora (talk) 14:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You should try notifying him first via his talkpage. He's probably not viewing the edit summaries in articles. So no matter how he's being informed, he wouldnt know it unless he views it (the edit summary or article talkpage) or he sees his talkpage †Bloodpack† 13:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: also note the person is pretty young so it's important to Assume Good Faith and to focus more on educating rather than just complaining about the edits.harlock_jds. Also use his talk page... i see NOTHING about these edits on it. (talk) 14:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Notify him at his user talk page. If he doesn't cooperate, go to WP:AN/I and complain there. It can be easier if he's a frequent image uploader with bad copyright tags. I just noticed with these showbiz fanboys is that they never listen, maybe perhaps due to their youth. --Howard the Duck 14:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complaint against [[User:Celester Mejia]] 

message: Anons always remove sourced Cris Mendez case section and I always revert it back. I reverted the recent changes and added the article to my watchlist but I will appreciate more eyes and opinions into this.--Lenticel (talk) 05:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If they won't stop, try WP:RFPP. I'll watch this too just in case in order to "bolster" your case. --Howard the Duck 06:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[UP Sigma Rho]] problem 

message: There are 272 articles in this stub category, plus perhaps hundreds more untagged (mostly municipalities and cities) so perhaps it's a good idea to split them into , ,  even . --Howard the Duck 12:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, since they're geographical places too... the problem here is on waterforms like the Sulu Sea, where would it be included? Maybe on the general  or there'll be two or even 3 stub classifications. --Howard the Duck 14:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hehe. I'm interested because i've spent a lot of time working on the Category:Tributaries of Laguna de Bay|tributary rivers of Laguna de Bay. I'm not sure what name their classification would fall under, either. Perhaps  ? Alternativity (talk) 18:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think a  is pushing it to the limit but if other stubs do that then I won't mind. --Howard the Duck 03:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

text:  I actually don't know that much about stubs. Just thinking aloud. :-D Alternativity (talk) 04:50, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to split {{tl|Philippines-geo-stub}} 

message: Let me respectfully NOTIFY Filipinos here of the $ 220 million/P 8 Billion Montemaria Project at Batangas City Bay on Jan. 11-13, 2007. I created Fr. Fernando Suarez, CC, the Healing Priest. Further, I submit also that the following Filipino articles may well contribute to this Tambayan, thusly:
Articles I created -
*Fernando Suarez - Filipino Renowned Healing Priest who created Montemaria
*Gregory S. Ong - Sandiganbayan Justice
*Teresita De Castro - Presiding Justice of the Sandiganbayan promoted to Supreme Court Justice
*Antonio Z. Atienza, Jr. - Noted Philippine Jeweler
*Thriller (Cebu, Philippines Inmates' Video) - Bryon Garcia's Cebu inmates YouTube hit
*Butanding - Philippine whale shark
*Regino C. Hermosisima, Jr. - Former Philippine Supreme Court Magistrate and incumbent 3-termer S.C. Judicial and Bar Council Member
*WikiPilipinas - Philippine WikiPedia
*Joey Marquez - Philippine actor, comedian and politician
*Writ of Amparo and Habeas Data (Philippines) - Judicial remedies to Philippine political killings and desaparecidos
*Timeline: Philippine Standout Events (2006-2007) - The most read and shocking events which landed in Philippine newspapers' front pages
*Philippine Extrajudicial Killings and Desaparecidos - Illegal political murders and enforced disappearances in the Philippines
*Agnes Devanadera - Philippine Solicitor General
Just sayin or notifying.
--Florentino floro (talk) 05:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You could simply include the Tambayan Philippines template like this on every Philippine-related article you have created.  Thanks! Starczamora (talk) 15:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montemaria, January 11-13, 2008, Fr. Fernando Suarez 

message: I created the bio of Vincent Bueno yesterday since he is the first Filipino/Asian to win the award.
--Florentino floro (talk) 08:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Vincent Bueno]] 

message: Ok Save US 229 has gone around and removed seals from various articles.  The bright side is that he has left them intact in the province that the seal is from. But he removed them from the administrative regions on the basis that they are decorative and that they violate WP:NFCC. I don't necessarily see it as decorative, but what do I know.  I want to know what the rest of you think before I take any action (if such is justified). --Chris S. (talk) 07:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not decorative, however the thing is you won't recognize a province on its seal alone, since at 20px, they all look pretty much the same so I won't buy the argument that it is used for "identification" purposes. Plus, I don't think Cavitenos know how their provincial seal looks like.  --Howard the Duck 07:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You do have a point about the seals being visible at such a low resolution.  I took a look at U.S. State and I think we should follow their lead. Rather than put the provincial seals in the administrative regions, we could just put them in one place in Provinces of the Philippines. That way it's a bit more justified and it would helpful if all the seals were just there. But again, Save Us 229 reverted my edit there. --Chris S. (talk) 08:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should find a legal loophole in this issue. Waiting for Congress' action is like waiting for Godot. --Howard the Duck 08:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The question I brought up earlier was just when were these seals made?  Was it made before 1987, under the old constitution?  If so, then my next question is, do the current copyright laws apply to works made before those times?  Perhaps there was a less idiotic copyright policy then.  And if that's the case, we should use that rationale. --Chris S. (talk) 22:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Technically, there is no copyright, but the images can't be used for profit, and the Wikimedia Foundation considers "images for non-commercial use only" as under fair use restrictions due to the U.S. Copyright Law. --Howard the Duck 07:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seals again 

message: Can an admin undelete the following album covers? These were deleted because of missing fair use rationales.
* :Image:Bamboo-lightpeacelove.jpg Light Peace Love
* :Image:Asthemusicplays.jpg As the Music Plays
* :Image:Eraserheads circus.jpg Circus (Eraserheads album)
* :Image:Cutterpillow.jpg Cutterpillow
* :Image:Sticker b.jpg Sticker Happy
* :Image:Ultraelectromagnetic.jpg UltraElectroMagneticPop!
* :Image:Fruitcake96.jpg Fruitcake (Eraserheads album) --bluemask (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Chris S. (talk) 22:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. --bluemask (talk) 05:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admin assistance: Album covers 

message: Okay, I need a clear guideline, how should we refer to the Philippine peso in articles? Most of the time I've used stuff like PHP1,000,000 in articles, and quoting the manual of style:
So, how do they commonly write down references to this currency down there? ViperSnake151 14:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I normally use P in my edits, just like how Philippine journalists write them. (But that is before I realized there are other currencies that use "P" like the Botswana pula.)  Starczamora (talk) 18:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer PhP with the first occurrence linked to Philippine peso.--Lenticel (talk) 23:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the symbol for the Philippine peso is lacking in many fonts, I prefer to use just P instead. I feel that PHP is more like a technical symbol and an ISO-code rather than a currency symbol. But of course, that's just my opinion. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 13:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  PHP or Php works for me. Eaglestorm (talk) 09:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer doing it like this: "P345.32" (perhaps this could be added at WP:MOSPHIL?) --Howard the Duck 09:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Those with Microsoft Office 2007 will notice that the peso sign now has font support (which I do).  --Sky Harbor 01:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which font is this?  For all fonts?  And also could you cut and paste the character here?  It most likely won't show up in my browser, but the coding - in the form of a box - will and that's what I'm after. --Chris S. (talk) 07:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I stand corrected: those with Mozilla Firefox or Internet Explorer 7 (maybe) will see the sign.  --Sky Harbor 10:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I use IE7, but it depends on the font and the personalized skin used. I use Arial in a modified version of the Classic Skin, so all I see is "Pts.", not "P" with a line. Maybe you're talking about the symbol under Arial Unicode MS. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 16:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm using Firefox 2.0 and I also see Pts in Chris' post.--Lenticel (talk) 00:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it's both.  The technological complexity makes it hard to explain :D.  --Sky Harbor 12:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philippine peso 

message: I've added some information to the article about Fr. Eduardo Hontiveros, SJ, who, unfortunately, died today. He is the composer of mass songs and Catholic liturgical songs such as "Pananagutan" ("Walang sinuman ang nabubuhay para sa sarili lamang...") and "Ang Puso Ko'y Nagpupuri". Please feel free to add any information you can find about him. Most of the Google hits, unfortunately, return mentions in karaoke playlists, so there's still lot of work to do with regard to the article about him. Thanks. --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added his death at 2008 in the Philippines. Magalhães (talk) 11:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, he did write that version of the Magnificat and it is still used in the Philippines. In fact, second to "Pananagutan", it's probably his most-recognized (non-Mass) composition :) --- Tito Pao (talk) 09:48, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Eduardo Hontiveros|Eduardo Hontiveros, SJ (1923-2008)]]