Talk:Trill consonant

message: I didn't think the Roll Up the Rim link was relevant to this at all, so I removed it. TheThinWhiteDuke 20:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: See also

message: I can do a trill with the tongue against the upper lip.  Pretty similar to the bilabial trill, but clearly not the same sound.  Is there a name for this?  Grover cleveland 05:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see that's the Bronx cheer.  Maybe it deserves a mention in the main article body as well as the "See also" section? Grover cleveland 05:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tongue/lip trill

message: Would it be correct to say that outside of Europe, the uvular trill is also rare? --Tropylium (talk) 21:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Uvular trill also rare?

message: I can pronounce something by vibrating my tongue against my incisors.  It seems like it would be a "dental trill", but I can't find anything regarding such a phone.  What is it?76.240.195.79 (talk) 19:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I’ve heard a reference to such a sound on the r/conlangs subreddit once, but they couldn’t provide IPA. JohnSmith13345 (talk) 14:42, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Dental trill?

message: Icelandic has a voiceless alveolar trill, though I am unsure whether or not it is a full phoneme or just an allophone of 'r' after certain consonants. Which is it? --Se Cyning  —Preceding comment was added at 03:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Voiceless alveolar trill

message: How about a laymens defintion.  I am not a linguist and  after reading half this article I still don't know what a trill.  I have some incling after seeing reference to the roll up the rim link that it is rolling of the consonant. (?)  I still don't know. It would be nice, and might I suggest? that you have a brief overview at the beggening, such as... "A trill is commonly undertood as.... then go into your compicated linguists deffintion (not that I am hating on that).
:"Rolled R" generally refers to an alveolar trill, while the uvular trill is one of the many types of guttural R, and the bilabial trill really has no good layman's definition whatsoever. Maybe we could fudge together a term such as "rolled B", but that strikes me as just as opaiq as "bilabial trill". Still, good point, "rolled R" could make a good example. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 10:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It’s like voiced sputtering. JohnSmith13345 (talk) 15:24, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

text: The first two would most likely be the epiglottal trill and a voiceless epiglottal fricative (or voiceless pharyngeal fricative), respectivly. Coughing is not a specific articulation as much as an airstream mechanism. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 22:02, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A laymans defintion 

message: What is the Japanese R sound called?Mwv2 (talk) 18:03, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's usually described as an alveolar lateral flap (so, not a trill). --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 18:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not really lateral.  Rather, it's undefined for centrality, the way Australian stops are undefined for voice (as opposed to, say, Polynesian stops, which are clearly voiceless).  Just as with Australian stops, there's no letter for Japanese R in the IPA, because the IPA forces you to distinguish centrality and voicing. — kwami (talk) 06:45, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese R sound 

message: Thanks for adding the page and explanation. I looked closer at the source and while I see in that figure (18.6 in the online version) palatal is shaded in, it's not talked about anywhere in the text. This is strange because other changes (including some involving the palatal and alveo-palatal columns) are discussed and justified, but this argument for impossible phones is not. I think the shading in this case might just be a typographical error given it's not discussed at all. Worse, I'm not convinced we can figure that out from the source alone without us having to make assumptions which feels like a problem with WP:V and WP:OR. If these phones being impossible is an actual proposal in the literature, there should be less ambiguous sources on it. I think it's best to not include the sentence until a better source is found. Wugapodes [thɔk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɻɪbz] 01:35, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Revised the paragraph per Ladefoged & Maddieson (1996). I'd also add here that apico-palatal trills are definitely possible and quite easy to produce, which I suspect is the reason the IPA hasn't shaded the palatal cell unlike the velar. Nardog (talk) 09:14, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Isn't apico-palatal trill just a fancy name for a proper retroflex trill? Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 11:59, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, but SOWL says even sub-apical trills are attested (p. 223). I can also get the trilling tongue tip really close to the velum (post-palatal ~ pre-velar) if I move the tongue body back. Nardog (talk) 12:11, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palatal trills 

message: I know someone who speaks a Caucasian language which is similar to obsolete ubykh And he says that language has a glottal trill which I’m guessing is an voiceless glottal fricative sound almost like staccato but a pulmonic sound — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jared Sinrich (talk • contribs) 17:35, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: For glottal vibrations at frequencies typical for trills see article Creaky voice. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 17:49, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Glottal Trill

message: This page and Rhotic consonant should be merged into a single rhotics page, since they basically deal with the same things. PortugueseWikiMan (talk) 21:24, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger