Talk:Marriage in Israel

message: "These would not be registered or scrutinized by the rabbinate, and their children would be considered illegitimate or mamzerim, which would prohibit them from marrying a child of a couple married in accordance with halakha."
I don't think this is necessarily correct.  A child is not a mamzer merely because his parents were not married in accordance with halakha.  A child is a mamzer only if the union that produced the child could not have been recognized as a valid marriage under halakha, for example when a divorced woman who has not obtained a get has a child with someone other than her first husband.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.215.7.162 (talk) 01:04, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  mamzerim 

message: I am the creator of the English translation for this article which originates from the Hebrew Wikipedia. The article as itself is a very important and hot debated topic in Israel. this topic has a lot of interest to world wide as well - becuase the state of Israel forces its citizens and inhabitants to marry within a recognized religious denomination - a situation which is forced upon all of the people to keep the monopoly of the Jewish weddings and divorces in the hands of the Orthodox Rabinical courts - not allowing for Jewish Reform weddings or Jewish Conservative weddings within the country to happen within the country, as well not allowing people to marry with different religions. the thing which the article aims at doing is to explain why these arrangemnts have been created in the first place and list the pros and cons of keep the situation as it is as well as stating all the current development trying to solve the situation. I have put the cleanup template becuase I would need any help I can get in order to fix up the article and make it as good as possible. Acidburn24m 19:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. This might be a translation issue. The article starts by saying, "... and inter-faith marriages performed within the country are not legally recognized" and cites P. 214 of Hanna Lerner's book. In English this reads as if it says there is a law banning interfaith marriages OR that married interfaith couples will not have their marriage recognized by the Israeli govt. Neither of these meanings is accurate nor supported by p. 214 of the Lerner book. Each religion has full control over its members' marriage rites. P 214 DOES say that Orthodox leaders are the only recognized authority for Jewish marriage rites and there is a law that Conservative and Reform Rabbis cannot do marriages in Israel. This is very different. 73.170.193.176 (talk) 01:27, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initial comments 

message: The name of the article needs to be changed back to "Civil marriage in Israel", mainly because the article now still focuses on Civil marriages and Israel and describes in great detail the conflicts with allowing Civil marriages being conducted or recognized in Israel. 
In my opinion an article named "marriage in Israel" should be more general and focus not only on the marriages in the Jewish population in Israel but also in the marriages of the Muslims, Christians, Druze, Circassians, etc. Therefore I purpose reverting the name of the article back to "Civil marriage in Israel" like it originally was. Are there any objections? Acidburn24m (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I intend to expand the article to cover all types of marriage in Israel, in all communities. I have concentrated so far on cleaning up the material that is there now. Any assistance would be appreciated.Ewawer (talk) 00:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name of the article 

message: What is a "Judaism test"? Was this a test of knowledge, or an investigation of one's ancestry, or what? (Mention of this links to an article in the Hebrew Wikipedia, which I cannot read.) Thanks. Dawud (talk) 22:39, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: "Judaism test"

message: The final sentence in the introduction misquotes the citation.  The sentence says 17; the article in the citation says 18.
71.163.117.143 (talk) 19:41, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  discrepancy 

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message: I would like to edit the third paragraph of the Divorce Process section to read the following:
The divorce process in Israel is unique from that in the rest of the western world because of its blend of secular and religious law. Seen as a covenant between two people and very religious in nature, only the man can file for divorce; if a woman wants to get a divorce she has to go to a court and request that they force her husband to file for a divorce. Either of the two may decline to divorce, which has different implications for each: if the man declines, the woman, if she marries another man, is seen as adulterous. If the woman declines, the man is allowed to remarry. This process is known as the Get Procedurehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_(divorce_document). Ngorden (talk) 18:57, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Divorce process 

message: There was no law prohibiting child marriage in the early years of the mandate. The Palestine Jewish Women for Equal Rights Association called for legislation against child marriage in three appeals and several letters to the Chief Secretary between 1928 and 1932, signed by Dr. Rosa Welt-Straus. The 1931 census found 37 cases of girls married under the age of 11 (35 Muslims, 1 Jewish, 1 Christian) and an additional 43 (39 Muslim, 2 Jewish, 2 Christian) under the age of 12. After obtaining the approval of the Grand Mufti on the condition that existing marriages among minors which complied with Sharia law would not be made void ("females of 9 years of age and upwards" reads the report of the Chief Secretary), approval was obtained by the high commissioner from all heads of churches, the chief Rabbis and Agudath Israel in 1932 for setting the legal age at 15. However, when finally made in 1934, the amendment to article 182 set the minimum age for marriage at 14. PJW- ERA criticized the decision and demanded the minimum age be raised to 16, citing approval from the Mufti and chief Rabbis.--ארינמל (talk) 19:55, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The age must have been changed to 15 between 1934 and 1936.  In the Criminal Code Ordinance published in Palestine Gazette #652 Suppl. 1 (Dec 14, 1936) it says "Any person who..issues a licence for the celebration of the marriage of a female who is under the age of fifteen years completed..is guilty of a misdemeanour and is liable to imprisonment for six months."  Also, parental permission is required up to age 18.  Another relevant section says that it is a misdemeanour (two years imprisonment) to have intercourse with a female to whom one is married unless she has attained 15 years, or has reached puberty, or (here comes the general purpose get-out-of-jail ticket) a medical practitioner has issued a certificate that such intercourse would have "no physical ill effects" on her.  A summary of this should be in the article but it needs sources (English sources if available). Zerotalk 04:29, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Child marriage

message: The article also lacks information on this subject. The Health department collected some data in the very first years of the mandate, titled "Polygamy in Palestine and the Relation of Sexes." It was estimated that between 10-15% of the Bedouin and Fellahin practiced polygamy, particularly the weakest stratum in these societies, as opposed to 5% among the rich classes.
A proposed amendment to the Criminal Code on this matter in 1939 was met with some objection from the Orthodox and Armenian churches, as well as the Chief Rabbis appealing on behalf of Yemenite Jews. --ארינמל (talk) 11:07, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The 1936 Criminal Code was emended  in 1947 by addition an additional defence to a charge of bigamy: "that the law as to marriage applicable to the husband both at the date of the former marriage and at the date of the subsequent marriage was Jewish law and that a final decree of a Rabbinical Court of the Jewish Community, ratified by the two Chief Rabbis for Palestine and giving permission for the subsequent marriage, had been obtained prior to the subsequent marriage." (Palestine Gazette Extraodinary No. 1563, Supp. 1, 15 March 1947). Zerotalk 12:38, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: In 1956 bigamy was extensively discussed by various ministries, the prime minister, the army leadership and the Israeli Security Agency, after it was brought to light that some Israeli Muslims, Bedouins in particular, had found a way around the 1936 law through a "partial divorce". It was acknowledged by the ministry of religions that the existing law discriminated against non-Jews, and an amendment allowing non-Jews to take a second wife under special circumstances was suggested and later made.--ארינמל (talk) 18:14, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Bigamy and polygamy in Mandatory Palestine

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message: The Israeli Interior Ministry registers marriages on presentation of proper documentation. Israel’s religious authorities — the only entities authorized to perform weddings in Israel — are prohibited from marrying couples unless both partners share the same religion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:841E:A200:80C1:80D3:696:657B (talk) 21:14, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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message: The recent marriage of Lucy Aharish and Tzachi Halevy has widely been reported. (See the articles on the two people for sources.) It’s probably the most prominent interfaith marriage in Israel and as such should probably be mentioned here, especially since the article suggests that the marriage should not be possible (unless Halevy converted, which hasn’t been reported anywhere to my knowledge.) A JPost article only gives
 The pair wed in a ceremony in northern Israel. Couples of different religions cannot legally marry in Israel.
… but nobody (not even critics of the marriage) have denounced the marriage as illegal. We should probably clear this up. —ThorstenNY (talk) 20:16, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage of Lucy Aharish and Tzachi Halevy 

message: The 2nd paragraph of #1 History includes "nine Christian denominations (none of which were Christian Protestant churches". #1.3 includes "In 1970, the Anglican Church was included with these recognised churches. At the same time, special arrangements for the recognition of marriage were made between the State of Israel and the Lutheran, Ethiopian Orthodox, and Coptic Orthodox churches." but there is no mention of through what 1970 document it was included or reference to the status of other Protestant churches. Mcljlm (talk) 17:42, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian churches 

message: The SC has ordered that the state register civil marriages performed by video.
Question: does this grant such couples the rights of marriage, or merely require that they be listed in a registry? That is, can interfaith and same-sex couples now (fully) marry in Israel?
— kwami (talk) 03:06, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remote (video) marriages