Talk:Ion rapid transit

message: There is great opposition to the rails going through some middle class residential neighborhoods, such as on Allen Street. The much wider John Street nearby has larger houses and richer people. This article should mention that part of the issue.
210.0.205.235 (talk) 01:22, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've taken a few moments to properly categorize it and clean up some of the grammar. It's still hard to justify an article for this as it stands, but well before this would merit serious consideration, we could have much more to tell as the proposal approaches adoption. If the proposal fails, I would unhesitatingly support this become a side note on the GRT or RoW articles; but if it is accepted, the service would easily merit its own article, grown from this. Radagast 03:19, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allen Street 

message: Every line article worth its salt has one of these now, so I've started a prototype in my userspace (see User:Radagast/Template:WRRT). Comments welcome. Radagast (talk) 18:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schematic map 

message: This is most likely the new name, given the staff recommmendation in today's regional report. I've already created Ion (transit system) and redirected it here; we can do a formal move when it's fully official. Radagast (talk) 22:02, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's fully official.  But it's ION, not Ion.  --  timc  talk   00:36, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Er, I guess not fully fully official. "The name will go for final approval at regional council on April 30." --  timc  talk   00:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

text: And with council approval today, move completed. Thanks for the capitalization note, Timc! Radagast (talk) 17:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

text: "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official," as long as this is a style already in use, rather than inventing a new one: avoid: REALTOR®, TIME, KISS; instead, use: Realtor, Time, Kiss"
So it should be: "Ion (corporately styled ION) is a proposed rapid trasit system...." Also, the article is about the system, not about the name. Ground Zero | t 18:07, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

text: Why don't we just let the dust settle for a day until we get official pronouncements and branding information. The title of this article is also a little awkward and we should not just keep moving it from one bad name to another. Secondarywaltz (talk) 18:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In retrospect, I was hasty in moving it, but only because we should let the dust settle, as you say. But we should be clear that an encyclopedia article title does not reflect corporate or "official" branding. Hence Presto card, not PRESTO (card). Companies, and even public agencies, like to capitalize everything or use other non-standard orthography to draw attention to their names. Wikipedia does not participate in corporate promotion. Ground Zero | t 18:24, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad you chose that example. The parenthesis is what concerns me. Secondarywaltz (talk) 18:34, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair point. I don't see a need for the parenthesis either. Ground Zero | t 20:16, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ion 

message: Source at Template:Ion LRT route diagram. Feedback welcome! Radagast (talk) 02:54, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for putting this in! My first piece of feedback would be for the connection with VIA/GO. There should be symbols for VIA/GO that can be placed in lieu of spelling it out. Also, these will be meeting at a new King & Victoria Transit Hub, not the Kitchener railway station. I think we need to wikilink to reflect that, and start a new article for it. Nonetheless, great job! --Natural RX 13:12, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll look into the symbol approach, thanks for the tip. As for the second point, Kitchener railway station is currently referring to the building at Weber and Victoria, but once the hub opens it will presumably be rewritten or redirected. Radagast (talk) 02:33, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Icons successfully added - whomever created Template:Rail-interchange has done amazing service. Radagast (talk) 01:01, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Beauty. Are you going to add the aBRT portion of the system? I know these are 'rail templates' but its still a dedicated rapid transit line. --Natural RX 02:50, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably my next step to tackle, yes. Radagast (talk) 04:15, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You could hide the future BRT section using . See :Template:512 St. Clair for an example. Secondarywaltz (talk) 04:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify, the BRT section will be part of the system on opening day. The LRT conversion of that section that would happen in the future could be put in the diagram in parallel (faded blue). --Natural RX 17:41, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. But I agree that it should be included as part of "Ion rapid transit" system. Thanks for info. Secondarywaltz (talk) 21:20, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diagram is live 

message: This tag has been on the article nearly a year; do any concerns remain given how much work has been done in that time? If nobody objects I'll be taking it off soon. Radagast (talk) 02:56, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing now. Radagast (talk) 02:34, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update|inaccurate 

message: The info box shows that "Grand River Transit" is the operator, but that's not entirely correct, is it?  Should it be listed as GrandLinq? --  timc  talk   18:51, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are right but, if it is going to be part of transit system, should GRT be shown as the owners? Secondarywaltz (talk) 19:34, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the owner is properly the Region of Waterloo.  I'm looking for other examples.  York Region Transit is one, but it has several different operators.  I think that Tramlink is also similar, although in that case, the owner is Transport for London, not London itself. Oddly enough, the Grand River Transit article says GRT is operated by the Region of Waterloo. --  timc  talk   19:05, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Operator 

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message: See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Canadian stations) for details. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:33, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Station naming convention

message: I felt it was about time for individual station articles to start coming together. I'm working on a representative one in the draftspace - please look over Draft:Kitchener Market station and provide any edits or comments you feel necessary. Radagast (talk) 20:24, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I am semi-retired from Wikipedia but, for you, I will share my experience. I have done a lot of this before - but I am making no long term commitment. Good luck! Secondarywaltz (talk) 20:58, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: So, I'm looking at the setup of Template:S-line and this will be a bit tricky, particularly around the one-way sections in downtown Kitchener and uptown Waterloo. We'll need a station template, and presumably a system template, specific to our needs. I'll look into existing ones and see what I can adapt, but any tips would be useful. Radagast (talk) 19:40, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Template:GRT lines, :Template:GRT stations and :Template:GRT color done, including iExpress lines. S-line templates to come soon. Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:40, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  S-line done for one way operation. See your draft article. You need to fix the station names. Secondarywaltz (talk) 23:23, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Great, that should be a big help! Cheers. Radagast (talk) 22:43, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have tentatively named the stations in the list (with red links) avoiding conflicts or disambiguation. They can be amended as required, but you've got to start somewhere. Secondarywaltz (talk) 02:43, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Upon checking Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Canadian stations), it looks like 'X LRT station' is the proposed naming convention. I'll try to go through and set to that. Radagast (talk) 22:17, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I wrote that, but it seems to be disputed. Simple use of "station" should avoid any fuss, and they may be right. See Eglinton Crosstown where all the station names were changed. I don't have the time or energy to waste on this petty fight. Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:46, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

text:  and :Category:OC Transpo station names. Secondarywaltz (talk) 22:53, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, thanks for the clarity. The Ottawa example looks best here. Radagast (talk) 20:04, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been away too long to remember or care about the naming conventions. Just be consistent. Secondarywaltz (talk) 20:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Woops! I may have got the naming convention wrong. I think the bracketed form of disambiguation is favoured. Refer to the more recent :Category:Eglinton Crosstown line stations where the station is named after a cross street we use the town for disambiuation and :Category:Via Rail stations in Ontario, which was recently restructured, where the station is named after the town we use the province, and finally :Category:O-Train stations which uses an older style, being phased out, which uses the system rather than a geographic name. I would like to redo some of these Ion station to use (Waterloo) or (Kitchener) instead of a comma. Secondarywaltz (talk) 01:30, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: At least you caught it now! I've hit a good stride on the articles today, hope to have them all up in the next couple days if I can. Radagast (talk) 05:43, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

text: If you are going to create an article for every intermediate station along the line, surely the major terminal stations at Conestoga and Fairway should have stand alone articles. They do not need two infoboxes as the new version can accomodated bus and train platforms. Secondarywaltz (talk) 15:24, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I've been thinking on that, particularly for Fairway as the new facility will be off mall property. The tricky part is the timing, as the existing setup is still in place. I'll sort something out. Radagast (talk) 17:35, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume that everything will eventually be integrated around the LRT station sites. Redirects already exist for Conestoga Mall Transit Terminal and Fairview Park Mall Transit Terminal. We don't know what GRT is going to call them in the future, but we can rename and move them later. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

text: FYI: Terminal names and details are here http://www.grt.ca/en/travelwithus/terminalsstops.asp on the GRT wesite. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:57, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Station articles 

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message: I did a minor update today but I see there is very little recent coverage of the future Cambridge plan. See my new content in the Opposition section; this should also be mentioned earlier in the article now that Cambridge is becoming the primary aspect of the Ion system. Granted, work on that line is not expected to start for another 8 years. 
More info at https://www.therecord.com/news-story/7408649-cambridge-council-opposes-proposed-lrt-route-through-preston/ and https://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-story/7406690-city-council-endorses-lrt-opposes-region-s-preferred-route-into-cambridge/ and http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/cambridge-city-council-planning-development-committee-lrt-proposed-route-1.4191845
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message: The Ion system has more resemblance to a streetcar system than a true light rail system. That being said, the stations seem more like more stops than stations. Especially the downtown stops and one directions stops. They are not enclosed and only partially covered, many are roadside or in the right of way, no fare gates. I'm suggesting a wording change to stops. Saboteurest (talk) 01:12, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I support this move. It would be more consistent with Toronto's similar surface LRT stops under construction such as Ionview stop. WP:CANSTATION also recommends "where sources consistently use the term "stop" instead of "station", use the form "[NAME] stop" instead". Ion's own official website refers to them as stops: "ION stops will share a set of common elements". An external source is this CBC article titled: Here's what the new ION LRT stops could look like. –BLAIXX 18:31, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stations or stops 

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message: I already created a map a while ago. Is it that what you had in mind? --Nobelium (talk) 20:08, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That map looks like it could be useful but I'm not sure what you mean? Is this in response to my Routemap edit? –BLAIXX 03:28, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, I see your confusion. Sorry, I was referring to the editor before your edit on this talk page, namely this edit. --Nobelium (talk) 13:33, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

text: Yes, a map that shows the line in its geographic position.  The one you linked is excellent for this request.  I didn't see it on the article so I added the template param.  Slambo (Speak) 14:44, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "This article needs a map" 

message: Hello, there is currently a discussion going on at Talk:Northfield station (Waterloo) about how to name the surface-LRT stops/stations on Ion rapid transit. Should it follow the convention of the surface stops on Line 5 Eglinton? Official sources tend to use neither stop nor station but lean towards station. Thanks, BLAIXX 18:38, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move request in progress for Ion LRT: station vs stop