Talk:1894 Sasun rebellion

message: *"Sasun Resistance" -Llc 1 result (but 1894 "Sasun Resistance" -Llc 0)
*1894 "Resistance of Sasun" -Llc 1 result
*1894 "Sasun Rebellion" -Llc 8 results ("Sasun Rebellion" -Llc 22 results, but including other Sasun rebellions)
*1894 "Rebellion of Sasun" -Llc 1 result
*1894 "Sasun Revolt" -Llc 3 results
*1894 "Revolt at Sasun" -Llc 1 result
*1894 "Sasun Uprising" -Llc 10 results
Takabeg (talk) 12:37, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: For articles dealing with this period, I don't think we should not get caught within the trap of relying on the most common usage. Since the 1980s, ideologically driven works produced in Turkey have consistently put forward the view that the Armenians rose in rebellion in places like Zeitun, Sasun, Urfa and Van because they wanted to establish an Armenian state. It's not like in the case of, say, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, which was the culmination of an act of self-defense but which has gained wide currency in scholarly works. Since most reputable scholars have challenged this view and acknowledged that the Armenians were acting against the depredations of their Kurdish neighbors or Turkish aghas, the article's title should accurately reflect what took place. Otherwise, the title is simply misleading for readers.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 16:57, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

text: I'll cancel the request to move, because this episode was known as the Sassoun massacre and/or Sasun massacre. But we cannot say that the Sassoun Resistance and/or Sasun Resistance are common name. If you can add information of not only combat but also massacre, we can change Sasun Resistance (1894) to Sassoun massacre (1894).
*1894 "Sasun massacre" -Llc 24
*1894 "Sassoun massacre" -Llc 71
*1894 "Sassoun massacre" -Llc 35
*1894 "Sasun massacre" -Llc 17
Takabeg (talk) 16:57, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Adding info testifying to the fact that it was a massacre, here: , p. 5, and here: https://www.academia.edu/44661100/The_Complete_Ruin_of_a_District_The_Sasun_Massacre_of_1894. 37.252.91.59 (talk) 09:00, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
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message: I reverted this edit, according to "Encyclopedia of Human Rights, Vol 1, by David Forsythe,;"A European investigative commission found that the Armenians were not guilty of anything but self-defense." --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:41, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This edit is very badly written, but factually quite correct. An example on where more information can be found on this subject is the book 'Sasun' by Justin McCarthy written in 2010. --80.114.182.138 (talk) 15:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  User:Malizengin and questionable statements 

message: bismarck was no longer kanzler in 1894, bismarck was removed in 1890, reference to bismarck's germany should be corrected  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.202.53 (talk) 17:59, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
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message: A few recent scholars suggested that the incident was not a rebellion but a social protest that escalated into a government-instigated massacre. See Mehmet Polatel, "The Complete Ruin of a District: The Sasun Massacre of 1894", in Yaşar Tolga Cora, Dzovinar Derderian and Ali Sipahi, eds., The Ottoman East in the Nineteenth Century Societies, Identities and Politics; and Tigran Martirosyan, "The 1894 Sasun Massacre: Revisiting the Number of Victims", Études arméniennes contemporaines, 14 | 2022, mis en ligne le 16 janvier 2023. 73.173.64.115 (talk) 17:04, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent research suggests massacre not rebellion