Talk:Afghans

message: * Afghan Biscuit a popular biscuit in New Zealand ----beoch 12 May 2007
* An Afghan coat
* Afghan Solidarity
* Afghan Students International (ASI) ----Behnam 01:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: deleted! Tājik 01:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the following be removed or stay? 

message: There are two definitions of the word Afghan. One being a synonym for Pashtun, and the other a more recent term describing the nationality of people from Afghanistan. So when a user searches for Afghan on Wikipedia, which one do they have in mind? I think almost everyone that searches for this term is thinking of the word as the nationality. So which definition should we have in bold font? I personally think we should have the nationals of Afghanistan in bold since that is what people are looking for and we should point it out for them. Behnam 21:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know we use the word Pakistani to refer to the nationals of Pakistan. Or Tajikistani to refer to nationals of Tajikistan and so on. Then what about Afghanistani and Afghan? Isn't it like Tajikistani and Tajik? I think English speakers use a word because it is simpler to pronounce. They do not care about its accuracy especially when it comes to issues about middle east. As wikipedians, we have to be careful not to be affected by the media too much. Sangak 21:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I reverted it. Thanks for pointing it out. Take care. -- Behnam 17:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which definition of ''Afghan'' are people normally looking for? 

message: Bejnar added the other renditions of Pashtun. What is the point of that? This article is a disambiguation pagefor Afghan, not an article. The reader can see the other renditions of Pashtun in that article. This should only be a disambiguation page for Afghan, nothing else. Bejnar should revert his edits or someone else should revert them. Qandahari-Pashtun (talk) 23:14, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  nonesense edits by Bejnar 

message: Here are two scholarly and authoritative sources.
afghan. (n.d.). The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Retrieved January 03, 2008, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/afghan
"afghan." WordNet 3.0. Princeton University. 03 Jan. 2008. <Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/afghan>.
:::hello dear friend thant artical is not true please eidt it thanksArian110 (talk) 08:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation for Pashto=Afghan language 

message: This is not a term recognized by the Constitution of Afghanistan or in the common everyday usage of the majority of Afghans.  It might have been used inappropriately a few times by Western commentators, but other than that deserves no merit.  The vast majority of Afghans in Afghanistan do not use this term and it should be removed.
This is a politically motivated term, which at the same time makes no sense.  If people want to disassociate themselves from the word Afghan which means Pashtoon, why would it be any better to be called Afghanistani ? As that only implies you are from the Land of Pashtoons ?
In any case, I think this should be removed as it is not common usage and only confuses people as it is a new invention.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Afghan25 (talk • contribs) 18:55, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is Afghanistani ? 

message: What is the relevance of the paragraph about "The Transformation of the Afghan Refugee: 1979-2009"?  It seems entirely off point. --Bejnar (talk) 01:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have deleted that paragraph as unrelated to the topic. --Bejnar (talk) 11:40, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Relevant

message: There seems to be a disagreement about what picture is appropriate to illustrate this article.  For some time the picture was a montage of heads, one of which was labeled Afghan, presumably meaning Pastun. Someone else has substituted a couple of historical images of "afghans". It seems to me that we ought to discuss the criteria for illustration first, before deciding on a specific image.  My own thought is that the picture should illustrate a group of varied citizens of Afghanistan.  Other thoughts? Please do not disturb the status-quo-ante until consensus is reached. --Bejnar (talk) 20:00, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the second photo, which has since been removed.
FWIW, I don't feel the montage foto adds much, but have no strong objection to it.  I would think that at least one foto of contemporary Afghanis should be added, perhaps in place of the montage. --Pete Tillman (talk) 20:42, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Some possibles:  --Pete Tillman (talk) 20:52, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

text: I rather see a group, such as this.  But adults might be better.  --Bejnar (talk) 21:09, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No reason for just one. Maybe the historical tribesmen, plus the kids? --Pete Tillman (talk) 21:41, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good to me, but I'm still interested in criteria and to see what opinions other interested parties may have. --Bejnar (talk) 22:10, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Here's an adult group of citizens. --Bejnar (talk) 22:34, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

text: *So far, it's you and me. Why don't you wait a bit, then pick a couple? Cheers, Pete Tillman (talk) 06:05, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The old black and white shows Turkmen; the school girl with white headcraf looks like a typical Shia Iranian and likely a Tajik (majority of Afghans are Sunni); the man with baby looks oriental but majority of Afghans are not like that, he is either Uzbek, Hazara or Tajik; the school girls with flags is of bad quality and the name "Afghan" goes better with a male; and the voters in Kunar could be Pakistanis since it is a border area where Afghans and Pakistanis mix. There are countless of good images available here so we should choose ones of high quality that show the very common Afghans, no poor people and no rich looking. Btw, Afghans in general are considered as good looking, with big eyes and fair skin so I've added two images of very common faces of Afghan males.--Fareed30 (talk) 03:50, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly agree that many Afghans are good looking! Thanks for your thoughts. Sounds like you are knowledgeable about Afghan people. Best regards, Pete Tillman (talk) 04:06, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What picture is appropriate? 

message: The article as it stands suggests that the use of the term Afghani to mean Afghan people may have its origins during the Soviet war.  This is not the case.  I was in Afghanistan in 1967, and even then people went to some lengths to make the distinction clear.  But how do I modify the article?  Any thoughts?  Groogle (talk) 02:34, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Step one: Find a reliable source that discusses this. --Bejnar (talk) 18:56, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of ''Afghani'' to represent Afghan people

message: The term Afghanistani is not mentioned in this article, but should be, if only briefly. 173.89.236.187 (talk) 18:59, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: While little used, the term has been around for quite a while. I find that Henry Ward Beecher used the word as early as 1879 here. --Bejnar (talk) 07:57, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Afghanistani]] 

message: I have removed the section "describing" the word Afghan. It is not based on any historical text or documentation, but rather on an article in an unreputable and unknown magazine with a politicized agenda.  I would challenge the creator to provide any documentation on the claims in the article he has cited.
Second, why is this page even still active. There is already a wikipedia page for the description and history of the term Afghan, which is based on scholarly literature. It is interesting that a search for the term Afghan does not take one to the actual page for the term Afghan, but rather to this one that was been put up by Chinese-Afghans, or as they are called in Afghanistan, Hazara's, and contains nothing but ad hominems, undocumented claims and heresy.
I would like to remove this whole page, since none of the information is factually correct, and a search for the term Afghan should revert to the actual page for Afghan, and if anyone wants to put this information, they should add it to that page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afghan25 (talk • contribs) 04:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition to being terribly POV in intent, the section that Afghan25 deleted was a copyright violation of a page from the www.afghanlord.org website. It has also be re-deleted by Rohid2. --Bejnar (talk) 20:58, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

text: You said: "There is already a wikipedia page for the description and history of the term Afghan, which is based on scholarly literature." What page are you refering to? --Bejnar (talk) 20:58, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

text: You said that this page "contains nothing but ad hominems, undocumented claims and heresy." Could you be specific as to what statements on the page are unsupported by citation to a reliable source? --Bejnar (talk) 20:58, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

text: Do you believe that the Encyclopædia Iranica, Garner's Modern American Usage and the other books here cited are not scholarly? --Bejnar (talk) 20:58, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this page even exist ? 

message: An IP editor added a link to hotrecentnews under "External links"; it provides an index of selective recent news stories relatively poorly translated into English. I really don't see its relevance to this article about the demonym "Afghan".  Unless there is objection, I will remove it. --Bejnar (talk) 19:18, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: Most of these people that you added aren't Afghans!; Meaning that they aren't from Afghanistan or hold an Afghanistani citizenship.--SharabSalam (talk) 11:55, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right. I don't have much knowledge about Afghanistan but I am trying to understand. which of these terms refer to people who hold a citizenship of Afghanistan, Afghani or Afghanistani? And is this article about Afghanis(Afghans) or Afghanistanis? I am not trying to edit or remove anything I am trying to understand because this article seems confusing(I believe many people think the same). Afghanistani is not a made up term it's in many sources and it is in this article lead paragraph. It says (also referred to as Afghanistani) it also says (refers to someone or something from Afghanistan, in particular a citizen of that country.) Should we remove that sentence?. Thanks.--SharabSalam (talk) 10:02, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an Article about Afghans here Afghan (ethnonym). Imran Khan for example has no relationship with Afghanistan except that his ancestors might be Afghans (not sure about that) that means his name should not be in this article as this article is about people who hold a citizenship from Afghanistan not people who are ethnically Afghans. I think(I might be wrong) that the term Afghan is an ethnicity term and the term Afghanistani is a nationality term.    SharabSalam (talk) 10:12, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable people 

message: Afghan is not refferd to Afghanistani, because this is with contradiction to constitution of afghanistan Imran Ahmadzai (talk) 16:51, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afghan 

message: i have created a new edit and provided sutiable refrenceces towards the usage of the word afghan. Pre 19th century afghan consitution
There is abslotely no arguement or doubt,The word afghan, as proven by both British and ancient persian classical poems to bactrian sources refers to the pashtuns as the "afghan". The same cannot be said about hazaras and tajiks ( who have not been refered to as afghan pre 1946 consitution). There is no to change and this is absolutely nesscarry in defining the usage of the word afghan is history.  
Dera manana Pashtunfacts (talk) 15:48, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afghan = Pashtun ( pre modern consitution change) 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Afghans's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "ABCBBCARD":
From Ethnic groups in Afghanistan: 
From Demographics of Afghanistan: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 18:59, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Afghans]] 

message: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3314501/#:~:text=In%20conclusion%2C%20Y%2Dchromosome%20diversity,%25%20CI%202%2C775%E2%80%937%2C725).
“However, we have found that all Afghans largely share a heritage of a common ancestral population”
Does this mean that “Afghan” can be considered an ethnicity after all? Mason1999 (talk) 16:08, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Afghans as in Pashtuns not other ethnic groups 2607:FEA8:4D60:590:FDF9:EC73:4FE9:6444 (talk) 04:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afghans share unique common ancestry 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Afghans's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Ahmed":
From Afghan diaspora: 
From Multan: 
From Islam: 
Reference named "Afghan refugees in India cast adrift amid coronavirus pandemic":
From Afghans in India: 
From Afghan diaspora: 
Reference named "New Statesman":
From Afghan refugees: 
From Afghan diaspora: 
Reference named "data2.unhcr.org":
From Afghan diaspora: 
From Afghan refugees: 
Reference named "Onward Movements of Afghan Refugees":
From Afghan diaspora: 
From Afghan refugees: 
From Afghans in India: 
Reference named "Hakimi":
From Farahnaz Forotan: 
From Afghan diaspora: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT⚡ 03:05, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Afghans]] 

message: you added lots of new figures to the infobox, but many of them aren't correctly referenced. I've cleaned up the bad references, but that leaves several thing unreferenced completely. A robot fixed several problems, but many remain. Do you have references for these figures? Otherwise, I think they should be removed from the article. -- Mikeblas (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of these references work in the Afghan diaspora page, although I don’t know the problem these references have, but they could be removed. Nafhax (talk) 22:25, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Referencing issues