Talk:Brahmananda Saraswati

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Brahmananda Saraswati GuruDev.jpg

message: The use of the the term "The Maharishi" originated either with early followers of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi or with newspaper reporters or magazine contributors. It was never preferred by most of his followers, by the organizations he founded, or himself.
The correct usage of this titlular name (common in India for spiritual leaders) is either the full "Maharishi Mahesh Yogi", the abbreviated form "Maharishi", or the term "Maharshi", which actually corresponds to how this name is spoken in Hindi or Sanskrit.
Reference: personal observation of usage during about eight months living in residence with Maharshi in 1971 and 1972, along with many previous and subsequent miscellaneous observations.
If there are no objections, I propose that the definite article be dropped from his name in this article. David spector (talk) 16:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi David. It know sounds strange to anyone who knew Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to use the term "the Maharishi". This though was a consensus decision, and was made across all of the TM articles. I would agree that its probably not the right way to reference him in the articles, but the majority of editors felt this was the most neutral way to write his name.  Unfortunately personal experience is not a reliable reference for the encyclopedia. It is possible to open up this discussion again, but quite honestly we've been through the same discussion several times, and I'm not sure another round is worth the effort. A thought on the matter.(olive (talk) 19:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Most recent discussion. (olive (talk) 19:25, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erroneous use of "The Maharishi" 

message: In the section Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati is referred to as "Saraswati".  I am not at all comfortable with this use, so I am changing all instances of "Saraswati" to "Brahmananda Saraswati".  If others have more knowledge on the best names to use, I'd be glad to hear.  --BwB (talk) 13:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems to be in line with Wiki guidelines WP:SURNAME-- — Kbob • Talk •  15:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of name

message: It seems that the text dedicated to the disciples of Brahmananda Saraswati outweigh the text of the subject of the article. Does this seem strange to other editors? --BwB (talk) 14:01, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If there are  reliable sources it might be good to add text to those other sections and develop those sections. They seem under developed. That would be one solution anyway.(olive (talk) 17:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If it weren't for his disciples, or at least one of his disciples, none of us would be editing this article. The quality of a teacher can be judged by their students. We have an entire article for the disciples of MMY. Since there's an article on MMY already, do we need to say so much about him here?   Will Beback  talk   17:55, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll assume you're responding to BWB since I didn't recommend developing the disciple section any more unless there are other disciples that need to be added. Actually I don't see that anyone suggested adding more on MMY. Is there an objection developing the other sections as I've suggested?(olive (talk) 18:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the idea to develop the main section of the article - more about Brahmananda Saraswati himself - is the right approach. I will put some attention on this when I get the time. --BwB (talk) 20:34, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text on disciples more than BS text 

message: There is virtually no mention of the controversy surrounding SBS's successor. Swami Shantananda Saraswati survived several court challenges to his position over the 30+ years that he served as one of the 2 major claimants to the title and Swami Swaroopanda Saraswati was unsucessful in his lawsuits during that same period. It seems arguable that 1) Shantananda's chosen successor, Swami Vasudevananda Saraswati,  should be at least mentioned  2) that there should be more info about Shantananda and 3) that the controversy itself should be mentioned.  discussion of the Shankaracharya succession controversySparaig2 (talk) 11:55, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure how much these topics should be discussed here. This is an article on the life of Brahmananda Saraswati. What happened after his death is not really direct relevant to a biography. These topics could be discussed in another article. --BwB (talk) 17:27, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a bio of a person, not the history of his disciples or successors. That info belongs in their individual bios or in the article caled Jyotir Math.-- — Keithbob • Talk •  18:22, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sparaig, do you have any other sources the info that you gave? ie Swami Shantananda Saraswati survived several court challenges to his position over the 30+ years that he served as one of the 2 major claimants to the title and Swami Swaroopanda Saraswati was unsucessful in his lawsuits during that same period.??? This would be good information for the Jyotir Math article. Thanks! -- — Keithbob • Talk •  02:31, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: discussion of the Shankaracharya succession controversy

message: I have placed a coatrack tag on this article and organized all the off-topic text into one section of the article called: Other.  This content should be moved to other relevant articles in my opinion. Thoughts from others? -- — Keithbob • Talk •  02:25, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the four monastaries or maths of Adi Shankara each have their own article. So I have created one for Jyotir Math which previously was lumped in with the article on the city called Jyotirmath.-- — Keithbob • Talk •  20:11, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, please note that the content in this article that speaks of Swarupananda is from his web site and aside from being a primary source appears to be plagiarized content.-- — Keithbob • Talk •  20:11, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Coatrack

message: Since after three weeks, no one has responded to my post above, I am parking the off topic content here. Maybe it can be used in other, more appropriate articles such as Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Jyotir Math, Mimamsa, Shankara. Puja etc. [although my research shows that most or all of the content below is already included in those articles].
*Adi Shankara (c. 8th century CE), the great reviver of Vedic Sanatana Dharma, had set up four principal seats of learning in India.  Shankara's four principal disciples, Padma-Pada, Hasta-Malaka, Vartika-Kara and Trotaka were assigned to these four learning centers in the north, south, east and west of India. Shankara's insistence that only Brahmins were entitled to lead a life of renunciation attracted much hostility.Kripal, Jeffrey, Hindu Influences on Western Popular Culture, London, Routledge/Curzon, 2007  He refashioned the Buddhist notion of formal monastic orders and made them available to his followers.  This prompted Ramanuja to call him a crypto-BuddhistRamanuja's commentary on Badarayanan's Brahmasutra Upanishad (Shribashya 2.2.27); Isayeva, Natalia, Shankara and Indian Philosophy, Albany, NY: SUNY Press, 1992 and Madhva continued the assault, saying that Shankara's unflinching monism was prompted by his inability to count beyond one.Grierson, G.A., Madhavas, In Hasting's Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics, 8:232-35 Followers of the orthodox school of Mimamsa were also unhappy at his emphasis on the importance of renunciation.Doniger, Wendy, The Hindus, An Alternative History, Oxford University Press, 2010, ISBN 978019935547 , pbk Shankara's later rise to pre-eminence represents a turn-around in his reputation.
*At the age of nine, Swarupananda left home to visit the holy places of India, including Varanasi where he studied with Swāmī Hariharānanda Sarasvatī, called Swami Koropotri in Yogānanda's Autobiography and a disciple of Brahmananda Saraswati. In 1942, Swarupānanda became a freedom fighter in the Quit India movement and was known as 'Revolutionary Sadhu'. In 1950, Brahmananda Saraswati made him a dandi sannyasi. After Brahmananda Saraswati's passing in 1953, Swarupānanda took up with a new guru, Swami Krishnabodha Ashrama. Krishnabodha was established as Brahmānanda's successor by Hariharānanda. Swarupānanda became president of the Ramrajya Parishad Party. On Krishnabodha's demise, the post of Shankaracharya of Jyotir Math passed to Swarupānanda. There were now two Shankaracharya ashrams in Joshimath, Swarupānanda's on the site of Totakacharya's cave, just below the ashram that Brahmananda Saraswati had built in the 1940s. In 1982, Swarupānanda inherited the title of Shankaracharya of Dwarka.Official website of Swami Swarupānanda Saraswati
*Maharishi Mahesh Yogi became a devotee of Brahmananda Saraswati shortly before Brahmananda Saraswati was installed as Shankaracharya in 1941.  Mahesh Yogi later became the Shankaracharya's personal assistant. 
*In Monier-Williams' Sanskrit dictionary, the primary meaning of 'puja' is honour.A Sanskrit-English Dictionary, Etymologically and Philologically Arranged with Special Reference to Cognate Indo-European Languages, Monier Monier-Williams, revised by E. Leumann. C. Cappeller, et al., undated, Motilal Banrsidaas, Delhi, a reprint of 1899 edition, Clarendon Press, Oxford An explanation of the purpose of the TM puja ceremony, the Sanskrit text of the ceremony, and its English translation was written and published by Mahesh Yogi in the pamphlet, The Holy Tradition.Malnak v Yogi, 440 F.Supp. 1284 (D.N.J.1977) The court in Malnak v Yogi, quoting and citing The Holy Tradition, found that this ceremony involved the making of offerings to a deified Guru Dev.Malnak v. Yogi, 592 F.2d 197, 203 (3rd Cir., 1979)Rosenblum, Nancy L., Obligations of Citizenship and Demands of Faith: Religious Accommodation in Pluralist Democracies Princeton University Press (2000)ISBN 0-691-00708-X, 9780691007083 p. 210 The title Guru Dev is widely used, often to refer to a deceased spiritual teacher.  Mahatma Gandhi called the Bengali poet and musician Rabindranath Tagore Guru Dev.Sil, N.P., Devotio Humana: Rabindranath's Love Poems Revisited, Parabaas, 2005-- — Keithbob • Talk •  00:00, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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message: The source quoted for date of birth says 21 December 1871 as the most likely date. In an edit of 4 June 2012, the date was however changed to 20 December 1868 without giving a reason. I think it should be changed back to what the source says. --Aloist (talk) 09:38, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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