Talk:Bizarro fiction

message: What about listing bizarro poets, also? The Dream People, for ex., publishes such poetry. Should the article name be changed to just 'bizarro' or 'bizarro fiction and poetry' or 'bizarro poetry and prose'? Or maybe given its own article/stub? The poetry is notable, too. Kevin Doran 19:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about fiction. If you feel there is a form of poetry that could be classified as Bizarro you would have to start a seperate article and back it up with evidence. --Killah666 (talk) 16:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bizarro poets?

message: I rewrote this article and hope to expand on it within the next few weeks. Avantpunkarmy 21:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  rewrite 

message: The "Conflict of Interest" tag is pertaining to myself, I'm sure.  While reading the policies for what constitutes a conflict of interest, I somewhat fall under the category of "close relation" because I am the leader of the bizarro fiction fan club.  I also believe that my statement in the above paragraph, where I mentioned that I am the person who "modifies this wiki on behalf of the bizarro fiction community," probably raised a bunch of red flags.  I'd like to state that I made this statement in haste, because I was attempting to establish my authority on this subject to prevent the merge proposal from going through (which I originally thought was an attempt by Jeff T. Kane, who has been vandalizing this article, to keep himself listed as a major bizarro author...my apologies to [User:RepublicanJacobite|RepublicanJacobite], who was only trying to improve the article by suggesting the merge).  I just want to mention that I am not working officially or unofficially for the bizarros, and am definitely not trying to turn this article into anything promotional. I just want to help make information concerning this subject available to those who need it.  I feel that I am a good third party, but perhaps I am too close to the bizarro authors and publishers to write about it.  If any of you suggest that I withdraw from editing this article I will do so.Avantpunkarmy (talk) 00:13, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflict of Interest 

message: If I am to withdraw from editing this article, I would like to point out some good third-party references that could be used by those of you interested in editing this or even revamping it. 
* Oregonian Newspaper issue: Tuesday September 25th 2007.  This article was also published online at: Oregon Live.  This is an article about bizarro fiction in Portland, which is kind of a mecca for bzarro.  It interviews Eraserhead Press owner, Rose O'Keefe, and authors Carlton Mellick III, Jeremy Robert Johnson, and Mykle Hansen.  This might also be a good resource for the wikipedia articles on these authors. 
*The Boys of Bizarro The Oregonian also ran a video interview with Mellick, Hansen, and Johnson that was posted on OregonLive.com.  It can be viewed on you tube. I'm not sure if video is an acceptable reference.
*Dazed and Confused Magazine  Vol. 2, Issue 53...This UK magazine wrote an article on bizarro fiction.  It focused mostly on D. Harlan Wilson, but also featured small bios by Steve Aylett, Carlton Mellick III, and John Edward Lawson.  The article can be found as a .pdf by clicking: here.  
*Bizarro Central while this might not be considered a third-party resource, I believe www.bizarrocentral.com is the best place to get information on bizarro fiction because it was designed to be the internet's authority on bizarro fiction.  It features profiles on the different bizarro authors, as well as articles written by bizarro authors on bizarro.  Perhaps this is not considered a great reference because it is online.  
These are just a few that I was able to find right now.  I know there are dozens of articles on bizarro fiction, online and off, but it will take some looking.  I'll post more here if I find them, as long as this is acceptable wikipedia behavior. I'm not sure if they are good references, but online interviews with bizarro authors are abundant and easy to find.  There is also a lot of biographical information published in the authors' books, especially The Bizarro Starter Kit series which features profiles on the authors and defines what bizarro fiction is all about. Again, I'm not sure if these are considered good references, but I normally would have assumed they are. Avantpunkarmy (talk) 00:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a quotation from a review of the Bizarro movement in the third-party 3:AM Magazine.  I've also added notices of several literary competitions and citations of the Bizarro books and authors who have won them.  I'm just pitching in on what promises to be an excellent Wikipedia article.Standardbitchew (talk) 02:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I am wondering if entities like the World Fantasy Award, the Bram Stoker Award, the 3:AM Magazine Literary Awards, and the Philip K. Dick Award, which I have cited in the article, might count as third-party references. Standardbitchew (talk) 04:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: If the function of third-parties is to establish the notability of a subject, what could do that better than all these awards being won by the practitioners of Bizarro?  Just a thought...Standardbitchew (talk) 05:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Awards like those you have mentioned would certainly lend credibility and notability to a work and its author, but would not necessarily do so for a "movement" in literature.  The question that must be asked, or one of the questions, I should say, is were said award-winning authors writing consciously as "bizarro" authors, and were they writing to advance such a movement?  A parallel would be Bruce Sterling and William Gibson who, in the '80s and '90s, were consciously writing cyberpunk, and winning awards doing so, and were intentionally advancing the ideas of the movement (so to speak).  Can the same be said for the authors discussed in this article? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 18:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: These authors all have contributed consciously to the Bizarro movement:  they all have books published by at least one of the canonical Bizarro presses.  If, as you say, the awards lend credibility and notability to the authors, doesn't their choice to write books in the genre do the same for Bizarro?  We have a satyr play by Euripides and some comedies by Shakespeare, yet we invoke their names in extolling the genre of tragedy.Standardbitchew (talk) 21:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text: On the backs of the books by these authors, there are words that read "File Under Bizarro Fiction."  They were definitely published to contribute to the bizarro genre, but we can only assume that they were also written for the bizarro genre.Avantpunkarmy (talk) 03:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: You're doing an excellent job.  This article is really fleshing out nicely. Avantpunkarmy (talk) 03:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Gabriel, I could not agree more. This article makes Wikipedia look like a site for literary self-promotion. I have been a little overwhelmed with how much work needs to be done here, but if you have a plan for making the changes you're talking about, I will definitely back you and assist you. They are more than necessary. Chromancer (talk) 21:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Party References 

message: I deleted the hidden comment in the "major authors" section.  Wikipedia has its own rules on inclusion of content in articles, and a hidden comment informing an editor that they may only add content specified by an external site simply will not fly.  Thanks. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 20:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I meant to take that out. Avantpunkarmy (talk) 03:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a problem. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 04:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

text: There is a series of books, The Bizarro Starter Kits, which profiles the leading authors of the genre.  All the publishers in the genre collaborated on the project.  This resource should prove an author's credibility.  According to the readers, publishers, and writers, this is the only real credible resource...aside from the Bizarro Central website.  There are dozens of unaccomplished amateur bizarro authors who try to get their name listed under "major authors" here who just aren't and should be deleted.  Perhaps the word "major authors" should be changed to "notable authors" or "contributing authors."  There are actually dozens, maybe hundreds, of authors who write bizarro fiction.  Only about 20 of them at most have accomplished themselves among the bizarro readers. Avantpunkarmy (talk) 02:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with all you've said. People adding authors have to add the source that called them major or notable or whatever adjective we use. I don't understand why editors of this page are resitsing this policy mandated improvment of the page.Yobmod (talk) 09:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Major authors" 

message: Removing "primary sources," "notabiltiy" and "conflict of interest" templates, for the following reasons:
* The article now has ample third-party references demonstrating notability.
* The editor with the ostensible conflict of interest gracefully bowed out some time ago, and the article has meanwhile thriven and grown under the expert and objective counsels of RepublicanJacobite.--Phaborinosarles (talk) 23:02, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Respectfully, I'm going to have to disagree with this editor and restore the templates for notability and primary sources. The article is almost entirely either unsourced or sourced to the "Bizarro Starter Kit," and the the third party sources used are either from extremely minor publications or are blog mentions. It's literally been years for much of this material to be sourced with little progress. I'm inclined to think this entire series of articles is lending undue weight to a 'movement' that doesn't really exist per se except as a zine's pipe dream. Chromancer (talk) 21:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates 

message: It looks to me like the entire "Response to the movement" section is a pasting of material which is presumably copyrighted. This use of long excerpts -- all of them, but the first one is worst -- to constitute the bulk of the body of the section goes well beyond the intention of fair use. I propose to delete it. Any objections?
(The following section, "Aesthetics" also looks as if it might be a copyvio reproduction of a list from The Bizarro Starter Kit. This is less certain and would have to be checked.) Herostratus (talk) 19:47, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Likely copyvio 

message: While it might be true that some of these well-known authors have praised the bizarro genre, these references certainly don't back them up. Most led to pages that mentioned nothing of the kind. As such, I have removed them, along with some unsourced material I considered extremely dubious: exhaustive searches led to no source for praise from several of the publications, for instance. What held up I have left. — Chromancer talk/cont 22:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eliminating sources and incorrect assertions 

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