Talk:William Buckley (convict)

message: His biography http://www.williambuckley.org/biog_overview.html says he died on January 30.
There are other worthy explanations for the derivation of the expression (common still in Australia) "Buckley's chance", which should perhaps be mentioned. See http://www.anu.edu.au/ANDC/Ozwords/Oct%202000/Buckley's.html 
I believe it is most likely that it comes from the large store called Buckley and Nunn's. That is, "You have two chances, mate: Buckley's, and None."
:I agree with the date and reference to "Buckley's chance" above.In my original submission of "William Buckley (convict)" I had 30 Jan as the date Buckley died, and "Buckley’s chance" was deliberately omitted due to its irrelevance in relation to William.These errors were edited in by Tannin – who should have known better as he lives in Ballarat, just a blip on the map from where Buckley lived with the Aborigines.If anybody wants to fix up Tanin’s faux pas be my guest. I don’t see it as my job to go around "wiping his bottom".Tell 05:15, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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message: The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Crested Penguin 09:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: Um if he forgot english, how was he able to communicate with John Batmans men, or become a translator soon after? Enlil Ninlil (talk) 06:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: Buckley left several accounts of his 32 years with the Wautharong people. Its true that because he was illiterate, the written account by John Morgan has been ignored or mentioned directly only in passing. Tim Flannery's most recent edition of "Life and Adventures" makes it clear that most academics now regard the book as more factual than not. With the help of George Langhorne's previously unpublished reminiscence of Buckley, the value of the account now seems to be acknowledged. So "Buckley was always reluctant to reveal much about his thirty-two years with the Aborigines, but in later life he dictated a few stories to John Morgan for inclusion in his adventure books" hardly does justice to the published account of his life.
By the way, in Flannery's account there is strong evidence presented that he had at least one child with a Wautharong woman. --Nickm57 (talk) 21:45, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have added a section on Morgan's book, to try to flesh out the issue of its value as history.  Will also find some way to mention the Langhorne account. Sorry - wasnt logged in at the time accidentally. --Nickm57 (talk) 02:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have edited the section on life with the Wautharong, to more closely reflect the recent writings on Buckley by Tim Flannery. There's a bit more to do. --Nickm57 (talk) 03:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life and Adventures of Buckley 

message: Hi, I moderate Culture Victoria. We have a William Buckley story in CV, created by the State Library of Victoria, which includes high resolution images of the manuscript of Buckley's reminiscences. I've had a look at the guidelines for adding external links and thought that a link to CV would be relevant and appropriate. Please let me know what you think.Eleworth (talk) 04:39, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Great idea!--Nickm57 (talk) 07:04, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible new external link 

message: I think the link to Alexander Thomson is incorrect. The Thomson in the linked article didn't arrive in Victoria until 1836. Under the page for John Batman his servant's name is also spelled Thompson with 'p'.
-Shannon  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.174.167.29 (talk) 01:21, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alexander Thomson 

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message: I just noticed the comment ( from  just under the infobox that John Maynard information is not credible. I have gotten some specifics (like amount of time, place names) and have not run across anything that seems skeptical. Anyhow, should I just remove the Maynard info that I added? Or, see if I can find other sources for Maynard info?–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I am going through and checking the info and either using another source or removing the info. When I get done, there will be no Maynard citations.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:18, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yikes, I just realized the issue was with John Morgan - but I think the source changes and edits are better. So, I'm .–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:58, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: , I just happened to notice this name on my way through - not going to get bogged down in this page now as I am busy with other stuff, but John Maynard (historian) is on my list of possible future articles; he is quite a respected historian (see incoming links), so I would think that sources by him are credible. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 22:57, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
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message: I want to be sensitive to word usage.*
From this article, I am going to make edits to 
* Ensure no use of "Aborigines" (I don't think I have read that.) 
* Use "Aboriginal person", "Aboriginal people", or "Indigenous Peoples"
* Use their clan or tribe name where possible
* It looks it is ok to use nation, tribe (collection of clans with essentially the same customs, language, and cultural practices), and clan (family group of a tribe).
I don't think that this will make many changes to be consistent throughout the article.
If this plan doesn't make sense to anyone, or there is differing terminology in practice, please let me know.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Edits made here, along with some other copy edits.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:28, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: On that point, we don't tend to use the word "whites" in Australian history anymore. Hence Ive deleted "Penal colonies and European settlement in the area brought whites in increasing numbers..." Actually I dont think its necessary anyway. Nickm57 (talk) 01:24, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. That's good to know.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:29, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology 

message: Currently the 
tag on the article. Should it be changed to Australian English with a new date?
I am not sure the policy on this. I once tried to change the language and had it reverted because it had been long-standing.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's seems common sense to make it Australian English.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:38, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: yes but it’s generally the same. I’d leave it.Nickm57 (talk) 01:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Ok, will do.–CaroleHenson (talk) 01:57, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  British English vs. Australian English 

message: This sentence "During one battle, the family who had taken him in and many other members of the clan died", is truly exposing a rather ugly side of revisionist history. Did they die or were they killed? 
This other one is also somewhat untrue, "They had little illness and lived long lives." It is hard to make such a claim when in the book about Buckley, killings, vendettas, stealing, use of women as bargaining goods etc were quite frequent. In my opinion it's far more interesting, fair and appealing to represent their full history rather than a westerner's looking lens to what a tribal society should be like. Those thing were not moral failings but their customs and the way of life. 
P.s: I will change it from "died" to "killed" IValmirM (talk) 14:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The issue with frequent violence