Talk:LGBT rights in New Zealand

message: The article reads, 'Lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgendered people (a.k.a. LGBT) have most of the same rights as heterosexuals in New Zealand.' This wording is not acceptable and must be changed. It is not logical to contrast the term 'gays' with the term 'heterosexuals'. If the 'gays' is used, 'heterosexuals' should be called 'straights.' Alternatively, if the term 'heterosexuals' is to be retained, then 'gays' should be called 'homosexuals.' The article should use either the terms 'gay' and 'straight' or the terms 'homosexual' and 'heterosexual', but not an inconsistent mixture of both. I have raised this issue before; see the heterosexism talk page. Skoojal (talk) 06:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The terms used (and their order) are to match the "LGBT" abbreviation. If you change "gays" to "homosexuals" then you have to spell out what LGBT means elsewhere. I guess it's a bit hard when the formal term is an abbreviation containing informal terms. Not to mention that I guess many transgendered consider themselves heterosexual. Perhaps give your exact suggestions. I am not sure if your objections to "gay" are universal - SimonLyall (talk) 07:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not objecting to the term gay per se. What I am objecting to is using the term gay to describe people attracted to the same sex while simultaneously using the term heterosexual to describe people attracted to the opposite sex. It's inconsistent. Skoojal (talk) 07:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It would seem this issue is important to you. I would suggest that you go over to somewhere like Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies and work with them for a policy on this term rather than argue it separately on a few thousand different pages. Please remember that things like "a formal word to describe non-LGBT people" might not exist in English. - SimonLyall (talk) 08:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, consistent and sensible use of language is important to me. I'm not arguing this 'on a few thousand pages'; the issue has only occured once before, and there appeared to be general agreement that either gay and straight should be used, or homosexual and heterosexual, but not an illogical mixture. Skoojal (talk) 00:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Double Standard in Terminology

message: The article reads, 'LGBT (Lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgendered ) people have most of the same rights as straight people in New Zealand.' There's a problem with this: the apparent assumption that transgendered people cannot be heterosexual. Skoojal (talk) 07:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We could change it to 'non-transgendered straight people', but as well as being overly wordy, I'm pretty sure it's not necessary. None of the trans people I know have any problem with being included in LGBT or not being considered 'straight' in general terms. --Helenalex (talk) 10:06, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

text: 'Non-transgendered straight people' would be overly wordy, but that sentence does have to be changed somehow. Skoojal (talk) 11:20, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

text: other - SimonLyall (talk) 12:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure I understand your response. Skoojal (talk) 04:18, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 'LGBT (Lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgendered ) people have most of the same rights as other people in New Zealand.' - SimonLyall (talk) 04:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

text: OK then. That seems fine. Skoojal (talk) 04:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: First sentence still doesn't quite make sense

message: Adoption is legal for couples and the sex of the child doesnot matter, i know this because i have been present at a few of the adotion ceremonies of two girl chidren to gay male parents in 2006. 09:59, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Adoption

message: Since when did Niue decrimilise homosexuality?, I have still seen the Penal Code and guess what it is still there!!! Please list your sources!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.207.230 (talk) 14:48, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Niue 

message: Should there be a section on gay representation in the NZ media?--Pokélova (Pokémon Lover) (talk) 09:05, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media 

message: Transgender rights in New Zealand clearly shows that trans people there are not in fact explicitly protected against discrimination, that they cannot change legal gender markers without genital reconstructive surgery, and that transition-related care for those who want it is hardly even available within the country.
So how is the “protection of LGBT rights [...] one of the most liberal in the world”? LGBT rights means more than just rights for cis gay people and cis bisexuals. The lead should reflect this, or at least not present New Zealand as friendly and safe to LGBT people.× SOTO (talk) 18:54, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's questionable whether the legal ability to alter official papers to reflect gender identity rather than biological sex, or availability of state funding for those transgender individuals who choose medical intervention, qualify as 'basic' human rights. None of thirty articles in UN Declaration of Human Rights suggest that they are. 121.73.233.71 (talk) 12:49, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why paint NZ in the lead as progressive if trans people are denied basic human rights? 

message: Conversion therapy section is slightly wordy, and needs to be cut down. Is it related to LGBT rights? I am unsure. This is an Encyclopedia, not a news publication. We do not need so many direct quotations. Sxologist (talk) 14:12, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conversion Therapy 

message: The provided source "'Gay gene' donation row in New Zealand" does not give any information on the statement "some heterosexual male sperm donors had vetoed the use of their gametes for lesbian couples who seek artificial insemination".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soliac (talk • contribs) 04:43, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrimination protections - source incomplete 

message: So the New Zealand parliament voted a few days ago to ban conversion therapy 112 - 8. Should we add something about this now or when the ban comes into effect (in six months)?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Canadian Askew (talk • contribs) 07:47, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent info regarding conversion therapy ban 

message: Hi there, this information is incorrect. It is still illegal in Niue. They had the opportunity in 2007 but didn’t  do it. 
Thank you 151.210.239.228 (talk) 07:21, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 08:14, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2023