Talk:Will to Power (band)

message: Thanks Zephyrnthesky  —Preceding unsigned comment added by GLOBALCREATOR (talk • contribs) 03:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Knock it off, everybody.  I've archived the Suzi Carr so now people can discuss it calmly and rationally.  Any further arguing and personal attacks gets archived and users warned.  Now, what in the world is the issue?  -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am requesting administrative action. Even the edit summaries used by GlobalCreator can be considered personal attacks. Globalcreator is also close to breaking the 3revert rule. GlobalCreator has not attempted to explain his edits in the discussion, but instead removes information that is reliably sourced.Drew Smith   What I've done 01:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suzi Carr 

message: RVV made because of Zephyrnthesky's vandalism of this page. The information that was documented was replaced by undocumented lies. I request the page be locked down or deleted.AKATheBeast (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 07:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything zephyr added was well sourced.Drew Smith   What I've done 10:05, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  May 2009 

message: I started a new section, since it's now August. I've just edited the article again, and I'd like to explain the changes I have made. First of all, Billboard reconfigured their website, which meant that all the references that worked back in May now lead to error message pages. For the two albums, I linked to the newly-configured pages on the Billboard website (I also added an external link to the main artist page). Some of the songs, such as "Dreamin", didn't have any chart positions listed on the new Billboard song pages, so in those cases I instead added AllMusic's chart overview as the reference. This took some research and effort on my part, so I am requesting that the references remain as they are now, as I know that these work.
On a similar note, the Google Books reference about the Chuck Eddy book also showed the page in question when I spent many hours working on improving this article back in May, but after earlier comments on this talk page I too realized the page from Eddy's book was not visible anymore. I don't know enough about Google Books to know whether this is common or not, but since I don't own a copy of the book I have replaced the reference with a cite tag. HLinden2009, the fact that you have tried to use the way the sentence was worded before as some kind of proof of a nefarious conspiracy on my part (you have mentioned it numerous times on this talk page discussion) is something I am at a loss to comprehend. As you may or may not know, the previous version of this article mentioned the Eddy book, and part of the quote was right; but when I read the page that used to be on Google Books, what was here before was not an exact quote from the book. I'm now doing this from memory since I can't go back and read it again, but in May I summarized the first part of the listing in the book and kept the quote about the "motor running...storm clouds settling", etc, intact. I am frankly at a loss that a single mention of a song from an album that some author enjoyed could be construed as the absolute, most definitive proof of the music's legacy. I was doing quite a bit of repair to the article over the week or so that I spent trying to improve it (when I wasn't discussing the situation with other involved editors and seeing my contributions reverted), and I used my best judgement as the overall combination of sentences in that paragraph was pretty much right down the middle in terms of pro vs. con. I also left out a number of blog postings about Will to Power's music (a few positive, more than a few negative) that would have fit in that section, which leads me to the next point.
I left the message board comments alone before because I (rightly, see my comments in the above section) guessed that removing them would not go over well with any of the editors that keep inserting that back in. I never said they should remain in the article, though, and that's because of the wikipedia policy regarding the verifiability of self-published sources. I linked to this in my edit summary, so it's not like there was no clue as to why this was done, but I'll include the link here again. Basically it states that a comment on a blog, a message board, Twitter, MySpace, etc. cannot be used to reference the inclusion of material on this site. The comments as a whole push a point of view and don't merit inclusion in the article, and multiple editors have reached the same conclusion (if you're unfamiliar with the drama this article saw back in May, I'd suggest reading the earlier talk page comments, some of which have been archived and can be read by clicking on the number 1 next to the word "Archive" at the top of this page). The two points that I could see being a part of the article are a) the PD who played the song "Dreamin" first in Miami, and b) the inspiration for Rosenberg writing the song. They need verifiable references, though. The bookrags site is merely a "bootleg" copy of a previous version of this article on a wikipedia-mirror site, so that can't be used. The second one, radiokeysdan, doesn't seem like a great reference either (not just my opinion, mind you, but as far as wikipedia-defined reliable sources), since I don't know how much Dan fact-checks the info he puts on his site. After I complete my comments here, I will add a sentence to the article about the inspiration of the song with Dan's site as a reference, but be warned that someone may take that out at a later date, so my advice would be to find a better source for that statement.
HLinden2009, I doubt you'll believe this, but I have been trying excruciatingly hard to be fair and neutral in regards to this article's content. This has been a challenge for me, and I cling to my belief that something good will come out of all this. I sincerely hope that neither myself nor any other editors on here have discouraged you from participating in editing, be it on this article or any of the almost 3 million other ones on this site. If you're interested, I would happy to collaborate with you in creating a new article for the one notable WtP song that doesn't have a page yet, "Dreamin". I have taught myself how to create song articles that are at least stub-class and not at risk of deletion by citing references, adding categories, infoboxes and the like, and while there is no one right way to do this, I have accrued enough experience that I know my way around. Just let me know. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 04:10, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: (Struck part of earlier post) I added the mention of the inspiration for writing "Dreamin", but I couldn't use Dan's site to reference it because, for one thing, I couldn't find where his site mentions anything about Rosenberg's sister. Instead I used a site called MusicStack, which has a copy of the original 12" single for sale, to reference the inclusion of the song's inspiration. Dan's site doesn't seem to be accurate or up to date, anyway, as it mentions new WtP music coming out "in Early 2009". In addition to Dan needing a copy editor, some of what's on his site also looked word-for-word like what was on this article before, which would have been a copyright violation had the article not been rewritten. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 04:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  August 2009 

message: I have looked at the video that Rosenberg is riding in the music video. I am uncertain about the make and model. Answer anyone?
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