Talk:SU-122

message: There was a wrong image, added by Megapixie. SU-100 SPG is pictured on it. I replaced it by correct image of SU-122. LostArtilleryman 05:29, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong image 

message: There are some incorrect facts in this section. According to my native Russian AFV experts book A.G.Solyankin et al. "Soviet medium self-propelled guns 1941-1945", there were four subvariants of SU-122:
* Prototype of SU-122 (or U-35 vehicle) - upper front armour from two plates under different angles, uncomfortable gun mount
* Series SU-122 - single front armour plate, improved gun mounting. During production period there were some minor variations (number of ventilators, crew downsized from 6 to 5 men)
* Prototype SU-122M with D-11 howitzer in ball mounting
* Prototype SU-122-III with D-6 howitzer
There was not any SU-122s on the SU-100 base - it is quite obvious confuse with SU-85M variant.
LostArtilleryman 05:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SU-122 Variants 

message: English-language sources on this vehicle are plentiful. In accordance with wikipedia policy please use those unless nothing else is available. DMorpheus (talk) 22:17, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  We're using model kit instructions as encyclopedia sources now? DMorpheus (talk) 15:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Soviet tank and AFV production never stopped in 1941-42 and not every factory moved (STZ for example did not move, and not all of the Kirov plant moved). This is another example of content that, if referenced properly, belongs in another article, not the SU-122 article. Perhaps soviet tank production article? Not here, because the issue is not unique to or owned by the SU-122.
DMorpheus (talk) 22:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is related to SU-122 because after some of the factories finished moving east it became possible to again start working on SPGs. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 00:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is that your original research or do you have a source on that? Is it relevant to this article or more to Soviet AFVs in general? DMorpheus (talk) 15:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soviet tank production 

message: This page is filling up and is in danger of getting too long.
I suggest creating a new article called "Development of the Soviet Self-Propelled Howitzer in World War 2" and moving much of the information here to that.
Any objections?--S Marshall Talk/Cont 13:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A part about early SPG development in Soviet Union was already deleted. All the information here directly concerns the SU-122. Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 15:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem--I won't, then.  :)-S Marshall Talk/Cont 16:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not so, the original suggestion is quite a good one. There is a lot here in this article that more properly belongs elsewhere. DMorpheus (talk) 15:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree. You already deleted a part that had a small relevance to SU-122. Isn't that enough for you? Regards. - SuperTank17 (talk) 16:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for subdividing this article. 

message: I deleted the uncited, unsourced claim that any SU-122s entered Wehrmacht service. There is no source to back this at present. Two sources previously cited include one low-quality self-published site, and one with a photo of a single vehicle. This SU-122 is unquestionably in German hands; whether it is in operational service is a different matter. There is no way to tell. Although I suspect it is under evaluation, my suspicion is no more a credible source than any other speculation. Therefore, all we can say is that the Germans captured at least one SU-122. What they did with it, we don't know.  Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 17:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Service history 

message: I just happened to be flipping through Zaloga 1984, and my eyes lit on one of the photos of an SU-122 with German markings.  FYI: Zaloga's caption reads in part “This particular SU-122 was captured by the Germans and sent to Prague for trials.”  Page 160, in case it's needed for a reference. —Michael Z. 2008-08-27 00:13 z
:: I thought that photo might be the BMM plant in Prague where the Hetzer was built...but with all the unsourced stuff in the article at the time I didn't think it was a good idea to add yet more speculation. DMorpheus (talk) 15:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  German SU-122