Talk:2008 Atlantic hurricane season

message: 01L.Arthur - released July 28, 2008</br>
02L.Bertha - released October 20, 2008, updated October 9, 2009</br>
03L.Cristobal - released October 1, 2008, updated December 15, 2008</br>
04L.Dolly - released January 22, 2009</br>
05L.Edouard - released November 14, 2008</br>
06L.Fay - released February 9, 2009</br>
07L.Gustav - released January 26, 2009, updated September 15, 2009</br>
08L.Hanna - released December 17, 2008, updated March 29, 2009</br>
09L.Ike - released January 23, 2009, updated February 4, 2009, re-updated March 18, 2009, re-updated May 04, 2010</br>
10L.Josephine - released December 5, 2008</br>
11L.Kyle - released December 5, 2008</br>
12L.Laura - released February 4, 2009</br>
13L.Marco - released November 14, 2008</br>
14L.Nana - released December 3, 2008</br>
15L.Omar - released February 4, 2009</br>
16L.Sixteen - released November 19, 2008</br>
17L.Paloma - released January 26, 2009, updated February 4, 2009, re-updated April 14, 2009
===Cristobal===
Just released today. Pressure dropped a bit but the peak intensity was unchanged. CrazyC83 (talk) 19:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No real surprise, there were hints it may have been as strong as 135 mph but that is not to be. Updated the ACE calcs. CrazyC83 (talk) 15:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Updated the article for such, plus more details on the damage. CrazyC83 (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Article updated to show such. CrazyC83 (talk) 01:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

text: At least 500 fatalities. Total in Haiti is 793 with hundreds missing. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Was all of Hanna's 160 million in damage from just Haiti, just the US, or both? It doesn't give a specific cost for each. Where did this come from? 76.235.160.175 (talk) 21:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 160 million in the US only, no damage total from Haiti but the damages from all four storms that hit totaled to ~$1 billion (don't include this in an article). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is correct, isolating damage numbers in the articles is proving difficult (Ike and Gustav combined in Cuba did $9.4B but no single-storm numbers are given). CrazyC83 (talk) 01:20, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

text:  There actually are single storm numbers by Cuba's damage from 2008. Ike and Gustav both did 4 billion in damage to Cuba and Paloma did 1.4 billion. Is there ever going to be a Haiti report from Hanna, though? there can't not be one; the NHC has to get all of the reports done by April (I think), but since the TCR has been released, and Hanna's Haiti damage is still unknown, will there ever be a report on this? 76.235.207.61 (talk) 02:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are ongoing OCHA reports for the impacts in Haiti. I'll check though them later to see if any have a damage total. Cyclonebiskit 02:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Due to the low property values in Haiti (which is a really impoverished country), I don't think the costs will be very high there. CrazyC83 (talk) 02:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

text: There was also a change in the best track, Julian. Ike weakened to a cat. 3 as it hit the Bahamas, but restrengthened into a cat. 4 at it's Cuba landfall. I have a possible record about this. Since Ike hit Cuba as a cat. 4, and Gustav hit Cuba as a cat. 4 as well, would it mark the first time 2 hurricanes of at least category 4 strength have hit Cuba in the same season? I know no other such year with this record. 76.235.170.181 (talk) 04:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 23:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

text: The record I put was from the Tropical Cyclone Report. Cyclonebiskit 01:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I'll search through the best tracks and see what I can find about Cat:4's and Cuba. Cyclonebiskit 15:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, no other season has had two Category 4's making landfall in Cuba at that intensity. Cyclonebiskit 15:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

text: 184 knot wind gust for Gustav is confirmed, world record for a tropical cyclone. Cyclonebiskit 17:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, although not representative of its true intensity (if it was used for a basis, Gustav would have likely been upgraded to Cat 5 as it was on the west side of the storm). CrazyC83 (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

text: And double landfall in Jamaica. HurricaneSpin (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, Paloma was a 100 mph storm at it's Cuba landfall, so this season isn't the first one with three major hurricanes to hit Cuba, but Ike was upgraded to a cat. 4 at it's landfall there, so it is the first with 2 cat 4's hitting Cuba rather than 3 cat 3's hitting. 76.235.170.181 (talk) 22:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Is that all of the TCR's? I believe it is, but there still isn't a Haiti report from Hanna or Gustav. 76.235.187.223 (talk) 22:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's all of them. There are no sub-reports issued by the NHC but other sources may still be working on recording the events that happened. Cyclonebiskit 01:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I guess a sesonal track map will be released soon. HurricaneSpin (talk) 02:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Barring a reclassification of some other storm (best candidate would be the Carolinas storm in late September, but it will be likely left as a frontal hybrid low), that is it. Some of them will be updated from time to time though. CrazyC83 (talk) 06:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Dont Forget that we have country reports, coming in at the minute for the Hurricane Committee meeting, which takes place soon.Jason Rees (talk) 14:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that the meeting is April 20.
RA IV Hurricane Committee, Thirty-first session
*Start date: 20-Apr-09
*End date: 24-Apr-09 morning 
*Meeting place: Nassau, Bahamas
Weatherlover819 (talk) 08:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

text: No - the Hurricane Committee meeting does start on the 20 April - Also last years meeting was from the 23 - 28 April 2008 and im not quite sure where you got May 13 from Jason Rees (talk) 16:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tropical Cyclone Reports 

message: Just released today. Pressure dropped a bit but the peak intensity was unchanged. CrazyC83 (talk) 19:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cristobal

message: Peak intensity increased to 125mph, pressure raised to 952mb. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No real surprise, there were hints it may have been as strong as 135 mph but that is not to be. Updated the ACE calcs. CrazyC83 (talk) 15:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bertha

message: One death confirmed. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated the article for such, plus more details on the damage. CrazyC83 (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Edouard

message: Nothing new, smallest tropical storm in Atlantic confirmed. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Marco

message: Intensity lowered to 30mph and pressure increased to 1004mb. Death toll: 11 direct, 7 indirect, 6 missing. Maximum rainfall 21.52 inches in Balday beacon, Belize. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sixteen

message: Pressure lowered to 1004mbar. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nana

message: Winds increased to 85mph. Death toll in Puerto Rico increased to six. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Article updated to show such. CrazyC83 (talk) 01:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kyle

message: Nothing new. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Josephine

message: Real damage figure and intensity bumped to 85 mph. The death toll on the TCR remains a guess due to isolating from other storms. CrazyC83 (talk) 16:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At least 500 fatalities. Total in Haiti is 793 with hundreds missing. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Was all of Hanna's 160 million in damage from just Haiti, just the US, or both? It doesn't give a specific cost for each. Where did this come from? 76.235.160.175 (talk) 21:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 160 million in the US only, no damage total from Haiti but the damages from all four storms that hit totaled to ~$1 billion (don't include this in an article). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is correct, isolating damage numbers in the articles is proving difficult (Ike and Gustav combined in Cuba did $9.4B but no single-storm numbers are given). CrazyC83 (talk) 01:20, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

text:  There actually are single storm numbers by Cuba's damage from 2008. Ike and Gustav both did 4 billion in damage to Cuba and Paloma did 1.4 billion. Is there ever going to be a Haiti report from Hanna, though? there can't not be one; the NHC has to get all of the reports done by April (I think), but since the TCR has been released, and Hanna's Haiti damage is still unknown, will there ever be a report on this? 76.235.207.61 (talk) 02:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are ongoing OCHA reports for the impacts in Haiti. I'll check though them later to see if any have a damage total. Cyclonebiskit 02:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Due to the low property values in Haiti (which is a really impoverished country), I don't think the costs will be very high there. CrazyC83 (talk) 02:57, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hanna

message: It is now out. Downgraded to Cat 1 at landfall but kept at Cat 2 at peak intensity. Damage in the US $1.05 billion, only 1 direct death (the rest were not mentioned and are now indirect). CrazyC83 (talk) 19:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dolly

message: $18 billion in damage in Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas. Further damage inland.  –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 16:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There was also a change in the best track, Julian. Ike weakened to a cat. 3 as it hit the Bahamas, but restrengthened into a cat. 4 at it's Cuba landfall. I have a possible record about this. Since Ike hit Cuba as a cat. 4, and Gustav hit Cuba as a cat. 4 as well, would it mark the first time 2 hurricanes of at least category 4 strength have hit Cuba in the same season? I know no other such year with this record. 76.235.170.181 (talk) 04:13, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 23:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

text: The record I put was from the Tropical Cyclone Report. Cyclonebiskit 01:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I'll search through the best tracks and see what I can find about Cat:4's and Cuba. Cyclonebiskit 15:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, no other season has had two Category 4's making landfall in Cuba at that intensity. Cyclonebiskit 15:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ike

message: Both are out with updated damage and fatality figures. Paloma weakened to Cat 2 before landfall in Cuba, Gustav was 105 mph at Louisiana landfall. CrazyC83 (talk) 17:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 184 knot wind gust for Gustav is confirmed, world record for a tropical cyclone. Cyclonebiskit 17:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, although not representative of its true intensity (if it was used for a basis, Gustav would have likely been upgraded to Cat 5 as it was on the west side of the storm). CrazyC83 (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

text: And double landfall in Jamaica. HurricaneSpin (talk) 23:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, Paloma was a 100 mph storm at it's Cuba landfall, so this season isn't the first one with three major hurricanes to hit Cuba, but Ike was upgraded to a cat. 4 at it's landfall there, so it is the first with 2 cat 4's hitting Cuba rather than 3 cat 3's hitting. 76.235.170.181 (talk) 22:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gustav and Paloma

message: Both are now out. Omar confirmed as 135 mph (category 4). No real surprises with Laura. CrazyC83 (talk) 21:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Laura and Omar

message: Winds upped to 70mph damages totaled to $560 million. Cyclonebiskit 15:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that all of the TCR's? I believe it is, but there still isn't a Haiti report from Hanna or Gustav. 76.235.187.223 (talk) 22:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's all of them. There are no sub-reports issued by the NHC but other sources may still be working on recording the events that happened. Cyclonebiskit 01:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I guess a sesonal track map will be released soon. HurricaneSpin (talk) 02:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Barring a reclassification of some other storm (best candidate would be the Carolinas storm in late September, but it will be likely left as a frontal hybrid low), that is it. Some of them will be updated from time to time though. CrazyC83 (talk) 06:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Dont Forget that we have country reports, coming in at the minute for the Hurricane Committee meeting, which takes place soon.Jason Rees (talk) 14:46, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that the meeting is April 20.
RA IV Hurricane Committee, Thirty-first session
*Start date: 20-Apr-09
*End date: 24-Apr-09 morning 
*Meeting place: Nassau, Bahamas
Weatherlover819 (talk) 08:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

text: No - the Hurricane Committee meeting does start on the 20 April - Also last years meeting was from the 23 - 28 April 2008 and im not quite sure where you got May 13 from Jason Rees (talk) 16:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Fay

message: Well, the WMO conferences start today, so I think it is time we should talk about retired names.  While I don't think any nation has requested any names yet, they should come in very soon.  If I would guess, Gustav and Ike are obvious retirement candidates, and Dolly and Hanna are likely retirement candidates.  Fay and Paloma are possible; I initially thought Paloma was a likely retirement candidate until the latest damage totals came out, which are just below $1 billion.  Also, knowing France, we could perhaps see Omar retired if they request it, despite the fact that it wasn't severely damaging. ANDROS1337 18:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Although the WMO meetings are today, we shouldn't be assuming which names will or won't be retired still. We should wait until the names actually are retired. Paloma still has a good shot though, because the Carribean is more likely to submit a storm like Paloma than we are (Dolly, i'm talking to you), and I'm not sure over Omar or Fay. We shouldn't really be assuming anything more here; at the top of this page, just below the orange box, it says Please put all unrelated discussion on the Hurricane Wikia. Click on the Hurricane Wikia to put speculations on that page; I would do it on the bottom, under Names requested for retirement. End of discussion here. 76.235.202.58 (talk) 21:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, Haiti often has odd retirement patterns. –Juliancolton | Talk 17:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Isodore, Isabel, Ivan... okay, so we can have: India, Irene, Ivana, Ivanka, Irina, Idi, Idan, Iman, Igor, Igon, Igal, Ilan, Isabella, Iris, Inkara, Isolde, Ira, Irving, Inga, Irwin... and that's just a few off the top of my head. (note that some of these may have been used, but I was just throwing out random I names) --Golbez (talk) 04:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember, they've left open the door to reuse names after 10 years pass...even though it's only been enacted once or twice back in the 1960s.  However, this chat should really end since it isn't applicable to the 2008 season article.  Thegreatdr (talk) 08:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Made a mistake, it is Isidore, Irene is used, Igor is Ivan's replacement, Isabella is unlikely due to Isabel, Inga is used, India is unlikely due to the country, Ivana and Ivanka is unlikely due to Ivan, and Iris is used... most of them are names I ever heard of. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 01:58, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Idris is another doktorb wordsdeeds 09:48, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: this chat should really end since it isn't applicable to the 2008 season article. ----Irdicent 23 14:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retired names 

message: I'm not sure if it's already being worked on, but in the 2007, 2006, and 2005 seasons there was a different way the articles was made. It had 6 or more paragraphs about the timeline of storms, and at the end an impact section and records section was made of the season. Are we going to do the same thing with this year? In other words, are we going to put the format of this season like 2007, 2006, and 2005, with the timeline, areas impacted, records, ect? 76.235.172.134 (talk) 15:54, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel the article looks better the way it is now, you have all the storm information, as well as a season summary up top, what more could you ask for ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledgekid87 (talk • contribs) 04:22, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

text: The new format will likely be implemented on this article within the next few months, when somebody starts working on it. –Juliancolton | Talk 04:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder why we're creating this redundancy. Only because of back in 2005 the article was too long? --Matthiasb (talk) 14:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I also wonder wats wrong with sending this type of Atlantic season to FAC also if 2005 AHS was too long with 30 depressions etc then wats 2008 PTS gonna look like when its done? Jason Rees (talk) 16:37, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: '06 and '07 have it like '05 as well, so why can't 2008 look like those years? It was much more notable than those years, excluding '05. 76.235.221.51 (talk) 22:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Although one can argue that it might look more neat it is just retyping the information that is covered both on the storm articles and in the list of storms that is in the article now. Just my opinion but I think the summarys should be brief it does not have to be detailed because that info is already covered like I said in other places. Knowledgekid87 15:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Season summary

message: According to the postseason best track data, at 06Z on September 2, there were four tropical storms active. Gustav was a weakening tropical storm over central Louisiana, Hanna was a Category 1 hurricane over the Turks and Caicos, Ike was a strengthening tropical storm over the open Atlantic and Josephine was a newly-minted tropical storm in the eastern Atlantic. This marks the first time four named storms were active at once in the Atlantic since the four hurricanes of 1998, ten years. I think that's quite notable. -- Watch For Storm Surge!§eb 18:31, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Four Storms 

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