Talk:Batak languages

message: Bataksch-Nederduitsch woordenboek (1861)
https://archive.org/details/batakschnederdu00tuukgoog
https://archive.org/details/batakschnederdu01tuukgoog
Djamita na denggan na ni soeratkon ni Si Markus. Het Evangelie van Markus in het angkolaisch (1879)
https://archive.org/details/akr4801.0001.001.umich.edu
Rajmaan (talk) 14:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Batak language materials in Dutch 

message: These two terms seems to referring to the same content. 霎起林野间 (talk) 04:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shall we combine pages "Northwest Sumatran languages" and "Batak languages" together?  

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Hello, 
You mentioned that Adelaar has never used "Batakic" but in Endangered Languages of Austronesia (2010) in page 24 seen here, Adelaar mentions in the first paragraph that "Batakic" as one of seven independent language groups in Sumatra and seems to use it interchangeably with "Batak". Does that not warrant for at least mentioning that Batakic is an alternate name for the Batak languages?
-Ultron90 (talk) 13:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi  Fair enough, I should have said "not used in Adelaar (1981)". The attestation in Florey (2010) is a good catch indeed. I'm not aware that Adelaar has used "Batakic" ever before or after (at least not in the 2005 Routledge volume, nor in the upcoming OUP Guide to the Malayo-Polynesian languages). So we have two attestations plus Glottolog. I don't feel strongly about it, but it's just that we shouldn't give marginial terminology undue weight to appear in prominent position. Note that Google search results often contain previews of the lede of WP articles at the very top. So for people searching for Batak languages, "Batakic" will jump straight into their view, and they might end up using it for stylistic variation and whatnot. Eventually, this will propel the term "Batakic" into the universe when most specialists don't use it and we really don't need it: there is no ambiguity as in the case of Malay vs. Malayic or Makassar vs. Makassaric. But that's just me. You may copy this discussion to Talk:Batak languages for better visibility, so others can chime in. –Austronesier (talk) 14:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Personally I'd rather not put Batakic at all other than in the glottoname parameter... — swarabakti💬 16:40, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Batakic 

message: Hello, 
You mentioned that Adelaar has never used "Batakic" but in Endangered Languages of Austronesia (2010) in page 24 seen here, Adelaar mentions in the first paragraph that "Batakic" as one of seven independent language groups in Sumatra and seems to use it interchangeably with "Batak". Does that not warrant for at least mentioning that Batakic is an alternate name for the Batak languages?
-Ultron90 (talk) 13:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi  Fair enough, I should have said "not used in Adelaar (1981)". The attestation in Florey (2010) is a good catch indeed. I'm not aware that Adelaar has used "Batakic" ever before or after (at least not in the 2005 Routledge volume, nor in the upcoming OUP Guide to the Malayo-Polynesian languages). So we have two attestations plus Glottolog. I don't feel strongly about it, but it's just that we shouldn't give marginial terminology undue weight to appear in prominent position. Note that Google search results often contain previews of the lede of WP articles at the very top. So for people searching for Batak languages, "Batakic" will jump straight into their view, and they might end up using it for stylistic variation and whatnot. Eventually, this will propel the term "Batakic" into the universe when most specialists don't use it and we really don't need it: there is no ambiguity as in the case of Malay vs. Malayic or Makassar vs. Makassaric. But that's just me. You may copy this discussion to Talk:Batak languages for better visibility, so others can chime in. –Austronesier (talk) 14:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Personally I'd rather not put Batakic at all other than in the glottoname parameter... — swarabakti💬 16:40, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  [This conversation was copied from User:Austronesier's Talk Page]