Talk:Proactive Preemptive Operations Group

message: Just say it. If it's controvesial, cite a reliable source. If there is no reliable source... Tom Harrison Talk 13:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "is reported to be..."

message: If you intend to add Kurt Nimmo, Prisonplanet, or other black-helicopter-type information to this article, please discuss it on this talk page first.  Wikipedia requires that you provide sources which are verifiable and reputable.  </font>  MortonDevonshire  Yo  ·  20:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But its another day in the empire baby! Torturous Devastating Cudgel 20:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously the sources in this article, from sourcewatch to project censored to prison planet are so poor that very little of the article is salvageable and in its current form reads like an Alex Jones rant. Torturous Devastating Cudgel 03:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Before adding conspiracy theories

message: Was this organization acutally created?  I am looking for sources which shows that it was. Travb (talk) 23:01, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Was this organization actually created?

message: The "war on terrorism" comes to Southeast Asia. 
Journal of Contemporary Asia 
March 1, 2005 
As Pentagon analyst William Arkin notes, US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's Defense Science Board 2002 Study on Special Operations and Joint Forces in Support of Countering Terrorism recommends the creation of a Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group which would, among other activities, launch secret operations aimed at "stimulating reactions" among terrorists, which would then facilitate further US response (Arkin 2002).
Arkin, W. (2002) "The Secret War: Frustrated by intelligence failures, the Defense Department is dramatically expanding its "black world" of covert operations," Los Angeles Times 27 October.
Facts fail to ease war fears 
Hobart Mercury (Australia) 
February 26, 2003, Wednesday
TIM THORNE
THE opinion of this column about whether or not there should be a war between the US and Iraq and, if there is, which side we should support, is unlikely to have much influence on Prime Minister Howard, and even less on George W. Bush or Saddam Hussein, so I shall not bother offering it.
Instead, I would like to put forward some facts that may go some way towards explaining the strange situation in which the world finds itself at present.
The most pertinent of these concerns the establishment by US Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, of the Proactive Pre-emptive Operations Group, a branch of the military intended to infiltrate suspected terrorist groups and provoke them into actions that would then justify American counter-attack.
Former President Nixon wanted such a group, but Congress denied it; President Reagan tried to use the National Security Council instead, but ran into trouble with the Iran-Contragate affair; and back at the time of the Cuban missile crisis, President Kennedy was offered a similar set-up, called Operation Northwoods, but refused.
...Just as in that war, however, regardless of political motives and regardless, even, of military outcomes, the real winners will be the manufacturers of the weapons and delivery systems, and the other suppliers to the armed forces, while the real losers will be everybody else.
JOHN PILGER ON WHY WE SHOULD TAKE TO THE STREETS TOMORROW 
The Mirror 
February 14, 2003 
Pg. 6,7
Under Donald Rumsfeld a secret group with the Orwellian name of the Proactive Pre-emptive Operations Group has the job of provoking terrorist attacks, which would then require "counter-attack" by the United States. You have to keep reminding yourself this is not fantasy: that the enemy to all our security is not a regional tyrant - there are plenty of those, many created by America and Britain.
DRIVE FOR "TOTAL WAR' PUTS NATION IN DANGER 
The Post-Standard (Syracuse, NY) 
February 13, 2003
Pg. A13
Bourke Kennedy
Since Sept. 11, the Bush administration has established bases at the gateways to all the major sources of fossil fuels. To help this vision with the least amount of accountability to the rest of the world, Bush has scrapped the Kyoto Protocol on greenhouse gas emissions, the war-crimes provisions of the International Criminal Court and the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. Rumsfeld has created the Proactive Pre-emptive Operations Group, which has on its agenda the provocation of terrorist attacks that would then require "counterattack" by the United States on countries that harbor "terrorists."
Iraqi press highlights 06 Aug 05 BBC Monitoring Middle East - Political Supplied by BBC Worldwide Monitoring August 6, 2005
Al-Basa'ir on 4 August publishes on page 4 a 1,100-word follow-up report on the covert operations by "occupation forces" in Iraq. The report says that "occupation" forces formed P2OG units, comprising well-trained troops, to carry out terrorist attacks against civilians in order to distort "Iraqi resistance," as was the case with the Baghdad al-Jadidah bombing.
 Travb (talk) 23:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: News on the group

message: I moved the following to the talk page, because it seems to have little to do with the group, and is unsourced: 
:===Growth industry===
:Along with similar clandestine and black ops initiatives, P2OG has been cited as an example of government programs that have led to the proliferation of spy agencies and the rapid growth of defense contractors in the US and abroad.   Michael G. Vickers, a former Special Forces soldier and one-time CIA officer, said the evolving nature of the war on terrorism makes it likely that covert military operators will be called on more often in the future.  Having successfully chased al Qaeda from Afghanistan, the US and its coalition partners may need more unconventional forces to chase down individual fugitives elsewhere.  "This is basically a growth industry," said Vickers, now an analyst at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. 
:Rumsfeld is considering adding billions of dollars to the $5 billion budget of the Special Operations Command, the Tampa, Florida based headquarters that has responsibility for all of the military's special operations forces -- the Army's Rangers and Green Berets, the Navy's Seals and the Air Force's special operations commandos.  The defense secretary also has asked Special Operations Command to take the lead in some anti-terrorism operations, a clear change from the usual arrangement of having a regional command, such as the Middle East-oriented U.S. Central Command, take the lead.
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:The covert side of the US military's special operations force resides in a sub-command, known as the Joint Special Operations Command.  Based at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, it reportedly has command of the Special Forces Operational Detachment Delta, aka Delta Force, a secretive counterterrorism unit.  William M. Arkin, a private military and intelligence expert who has written about the Pentagon's efforts to expand covert capabilities, says Rumsfeld is building up "an elite secret army" and that this emphasis on covert action reflects the Pentagon's frustrations with the performance of the CIA and other intelligence agencies.  "Insulated from outside pressures, armed with matchless weapons and technology, trained to operate below the shadow line, the Pentagon's black world of classified operations holds out the hope of swift, decisive action" in the war on terror, Arkin has written in The Los Angeles Times.www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_102702_p2og.html]
Travb (talk) 01:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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