Talk:Amidah

message: I'm not sure what's going on (I'm not too much of a technical guy) but I cannot view the main Amidah page in Firefox, but it opens fine in Internet Explorer 6.  When I try in Firefox I get a page with what looks like the code for the donation box for Wikipedia.  I can open other Wikipedia pages fine with Firefox.
Hopefully someone smarter than myself can help with this.Tovias 21:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with Amidah Page in Firefox 

message: The first three benedictions are not benedictions of supplication but of praise, and, therefore, nothing is asked for...God's acts and powers, past, present, and future, are only recognized. The line in question is "Mashiv Haruach, UMorid HaGeshem", which is a statement of fact...not a request or an imperative, grammatically speaking.
:I have added some comments to this effect in the section on rain, and added hyperlinks from the second (and ninth) benedictions to this section.  If anyone can help me with the missing references I would be most grateful.  Thank you.  StevenJ81 (talk) 15:29, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Rain in the Second Benediction

message: I have done some heavy editing of parts of this article because it has many redundancies, and I feel it could use some more detail (though it has a lot already, nice job fellow editors!). Feel free to review my edits, I think most are agreeable. Rafi Neal 21:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundancy

message: I took out the following paragraph from the history section:
:While the Mishnah seems to have known the general content and sequence of the benedictions, much latitude prevailed as regards personal deviations in phraseology, at all events; so that men's learning or the reverse could be judged by the manner in which they worded the benedictions.
The only fact here not mentioned in the section is that men were judged by their prayers, which is not referenced. If someone wants to put this back, please make the point more clear and cite the source (I think it's referring to the Talmud's praise of Shmuel HaKatan, but that example poorly supports the claim brought here).
This entire section needs copy-editing, but I can't do it without completely rewriting it since I don't agree with its "modern scholarship" POV. I agree with many of the facts, but not the style of approach to the classical texts. To call the Mishnah "sporadic" and not "definite" or "coherent" is to misunderstand the Mishnah's purpose. The section's tone implies that the Tannaim and Amoraim practiced a primitive form of Judaism, chas vechalilah. Yes, this section needs work.  —Rafi Neal |T/C 02:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This appears to be material from the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia, which can be very opinionated at times. I agree this comment about the Mishnah doesn't belong in this article (it may belong in the Mishnah article.) In general I believe that dropping parenthetical comments into articles about completely different topics is almost always a WP:NPOV violation because these comments can't be dealt with in any sort of neutral way without creating a complicated detour that takes the article off-subject. Best, --Shirahadasha 18:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your work so far. The POV still disgusts me in parts you haven't touched yet. I'll take the liberty to neutralize it as soon as I have the time, probably next week.  —Rafi Neal |T/C 03:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paragraph for deletion 

message: I added a paragraph to the section on bowing in the Amida.
During certain parts of the Amidah said on Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur, Ashkenazi Jews traditionally go down to the floor upon their knees and make his upper body bowed over like an arch, similar to Muslims, though not exactly in the same manner. There are some variations in Ashkenazi customs as to how long one remains in this position. Some Jews among the Dor Daim and Talmidhe haRambam understand both the Mishneh Torah and the Talmudic source texts concerning bowing in the Shemoneh Esreh to be teaching that one must always bow down upon his knees, not only during the High Holy Days, but throughout the year. It is hard to know the percentage of those who hold by the latter view, the likelihood being that most who accept such a view usually only do so in private or when praying among likeminded people.
Some references concerning Ashkenazi practice:   See the popular book To Pray as a Jew by Hayim Halevy Donin or Rite and Reason on pages 528 & 529 
Concerning Yemenites (specifically - Dor Daim) -- On page 34 side bet of Tractate Berakhoth p. 705 in the translation of the Talmud known as "THE TALMUD" WITH ENGLISH TRANSLATION AND COMMENTARY commentary to this chapter by Rabbi Dr. A. Carlebach, Editor: Rabbi Dr. A. Zvi Ehrman of Fellow Jews' College, London; Member of the ISRAEL BAR, and published by EL-'AM-HOZA'A LEOR ISRAEL Jerusalem - Tel Aviv 5742 - 1982 Peli Printing Works LTD, Ramat Gan - Givatayim, it states:
"The third [type of bow mentioned in this part of the Gemara is] (hishtahawa'a),...total bodily prostration;... (Tahhanunim; cf. Meg., ibid, B.M. 59B; El-Am Hazzahav, p. 184). YEMENITE JEWS STILL PRESERVE THE CUSTOM."
"they fall on their faces, after the Prayer (Amida), stretching out their arms and leggs, like the custom of Ashkenazim on Yom Kippur," (translation mine from page 68 in Even Sepir)
These first two references only concern prostration during tachanun, the part of prayer immediately after the Amidah.  This practice was widespread among all Yemenite Jews, not only among Dor Daim, only 100 years ago.  I'm eye witness to the fact that some older Yemenites still do this privately as well as some younger zealous ones.  The kneeling upon the floor during regular Amidah is a known issue among Talmidhe haRambam and some Dor Daim.  Neither of these groups are very well known, and are only recently become less fearful of social pressures -- as a whole.  
In the book HaMaspeek l'Ovdei HaShem by Rav Avraham son of Rambam, there are over 100 pages on the practice and significance of prostration and kneeling to the ground during the Amidah.  It could be that this is part of the reason for this books lack of popularity.
THE TALMUD" WITH ENGLISH TRANSLATION AND COMMENTARY commentary to this chapter by Rabbi Dr. A. Carlebach, Editor: Rabbi Dr. A. Zvi Ehrman of Fellow Jews' College, London; Member of the ISRAEL BAR, and published by EL-'AM-HOZA'A LEOR ISRAEL Jerusalem - Tel Aviv 5742 - 1982 Peli Printing Works LTD, Ramat Gan - Givatayim, it states, in addition to Yemenites preserving prostration during Tachanun, that it is clear (regardless of whether one agrees with this particular commentary) that the bowing intended by the Talmudic compiler to be done during the Amidah was bowing upon the floor.  Then it provides some source, a particular Jewish historian, who suggested that this fell out of popularity among the Jewish people due to the Christian practice of kneeling. (no need to mention Muslim practice).  I'll try to provide the exact page and quote next time, b'azarth HaShem.
Omedyashar 13:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bowing in the Amida 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: Luke 1.68-79 - "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life. And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace".
Amidah's blessing 14 - "Return in mercy to Jerusalem Your city and dwell therein as You have promised; speedily establish therein the throne of David Your servant, and rebuild it, soon in our days, as an everlasting edifice. Blessed are You Lord, who rebuilds Jerusalem. Speedily cause the scion of David Your servant to flourish, and raise up an horn of salvation, for we hope for Your salvation all day. Blessed are You Lord, who raises an horn of salvation to flourish".
"Salvation" (Hebrew "Yeshua") was mentioned three times as in Luke Gospel as in Amidah's blessing 14.Evrey9 (talk) 10:13, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blessing 14 

message: Albertus Magnus interpreted the name "Jesus" as acrostic: 
:Jucunditas maerentium 
:Eternitas viventium ("resurrects the dead with great mercy")
:Sanitas languentium ("heals the sick")
:Ubertas egentium 
:Satietas esurentium ("He sustains the living with loving kindness")
Rabbis inserted Jesus's name into the 2nd blessing of Amidah's: 
"He sustains the living with loving kindness, resurrects the dead with great mercy, supports the falling, heals the sick, releases the bound, and fulfills His trust to those who sleep in the dust".
Cairo geniza Amidah does not have that Jesus's acrostic. That means that Jesus's acrostic was invented by Christians just after Cairo geniza (medieval Crusades) and rabbis accepted it. Today Jews are praying with Jesus's name three times a day every day.Evrey9 (talk) 10:12, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blessing 2 

message: John Gospel 11.41 "Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me". That is Eucharist practice of Christianity what Judaism adopted. 
Amidah's blessing 18: "We will give thanks to You and recount Your praise, evening, morning and noon".Evrey9 (talk) 10:20, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: oooooooooookay. NewkirkPlaza (talk) 02:33, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blessing 18 

message: You can't use the Bible as a reference to itself.  If the only source you have on the inclusion of verses from a holy book is the holy book itself, then it’s not notable for Wikipedia purposes.  I appreciate the work that folks have done on this page, but please add actual secondary sources.  NewkirkPlaza (talk) 06:11, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  notability 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Amidah's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "je":
From Hosea: 
From Isaiah Horowitz: Jewish Encyclopedia bibliography:
From Rachel: "Rachel" at http://jewishencyclopedia.com
From Simeon HaPakoli: Jewish Encyclopedia: Simeon Ha-Pakoli
From Pirkei De-Rabbi Eliezer: Jewish Encyclopedia, Pirke De-Rabbi Eliezer
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 01:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Amidah]]