Talk:John O'Neill (businessman)

message: This page needs some serious WP:NPOVing. Jpeob 07:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: Tancred, your edits reek of pov. Soccer is the commen usage term in Sydney for soccer and football is the commen use term in Sydney for Rugby League.
Secondly, there is nothing ideological here, just a record of O'Neill's animosity to Rugby League. I am not the creater or contributer to that site, but it is a record of the animosity that he created among football supporters.
Thirdly I have no soapbox or point I wish to pursue, all I hope for is a fair and balanced article. There is a lot more that needs to be admitted considering the huge effect that he has had on Australian sport, like firstly that he was a bank manager, secondly his ARU tenureship was from 1995 to 2003 and oversaw the ARU's growth as a rival to Rugby League and AFL, thirdly his style of management and directorship etc. etc. which are widely documented.
Ehinger222 12:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Football is Football and Rugby league is Rugby League.  Go and look at the official names, or the usage in the media.Tancred 19:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV etcetera 

message: I think the problem with my links were from how they were presented by Tancred's edits which diluted their original usage. I implore tha you set them up Jpoeb against my original version and I am sure that they will make better sense. Ehinger222 12:38, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking problems 

message: It seems that Ehinger has just reverted this page back to your version of 01:59, 12 August 2006, before my and other's' changes to the page due to legitimate concerns. This is unacceptable without discussion on the talk page as you have previously advocated. Such unfounded action - "Look I can think that we can all agree that this version is better, and O'Neil is a fat cat" - is not in the interests of Consensus. Jpe|ob 12:46, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just reverted back to the consensus page. We must all make sure that 3RR is not breached, however difficult that may be. Jpe|ob 12:50, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did not "destroy" any links, I changed your links to the shorter link style.  I find your POV comments rather interesting.  I have used the official name of the sport/sporting body and corrected some broken wikilinks.Tancred 22:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unjustified Reverting

message: have just given the article a big going over. there was much that was not NPOV, or sourced, or even syntactically or typographically correct. the article is therefore trimmed quite a bit, for anything going back in there should be sources attached. this is not assuming bad faith, this is simply in recognition of the fact that we're talking about a living person here about whom we need to be careful to not provide false or misleading information (this includes skewed information based on pushing a particular POV). cheers, Dibo 00:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: there are two things that need to be shown before that goes in - 
* verifiable truth - this means you need more than to say it's "well documented", and;
* demonstrable relevance to what is essentially a mini-biography - if it's simply trivia then i don't think it's got much of a place, other than perhaps under a specific trivia heading. 
from my eyes, i'm really happy to see the content be added to, i just want to see the article be _good_ rather than _big_ and i especially don't really want to see material aimed at a particular conclusion Dibo 11:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Big Edit

message: []- Reference to his career as a merchant banker. Where his nickname the merchant comes from.
You will notice here that he was soccer association chief before he dubiously created the title of "football federation" to the revolt of most Aussies. [] Therefore it should state that he was picked up by soccer Australia and the heading should be soccer.
His bias against football is already documented further up the page.
etc. etc. Ehinger222 11:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ^^and you wonder why people keep reverting your edits for NPOV reasons. wikipedia is not here to cast judgements or put arguments, it's here to report unarguable fact. "john o'neill is the head of the FFA and was the head of the ARU." can go in, "as you can see from this article, this article and this article, john o'neill hates rugby league" can't. Dibo 11:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merchant banker 

message: This page is now protected and we need to work the problems out on the talk page.  Ehinger222, just reverting the page to your original edits does not help develop the topic.  It's very clear you have an axe to grind here.  You need to start providing evidence for your claims.  For example, the nicknames you claim John O'Neil has.  How about some evidence.  It in not enough to show the  O'neil has been a merchant banker, please show were people are using this term as a nickname. Tancred 11:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page protected

message: I have no axe to grind. I think O'Neill's record shows that he is a superb sports administrater. However his dislike of football is well documented. His extravagant style is well documented. His corporatisation approach to sport is well documented. Ehinger222 08:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "well documented" does not cut it for inclusion in wikipedia. present credible, relevant sources or it will be deleted. Dibo 12:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have already presented sources for the bias against football. This was inexplicably deleted. Ehinger222 13:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No axe 

message: I remember somebody asking about the involvement of Kilip in O"Neill's whiteanting. Here is a reference  Ehinger222 14:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...thanks, but I can't see the word "Kilip" anyway in that said article reference! Jpe|ob 23:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you are quite right. It would have helped if you had clarified it earlier but that mistake of typing Dilip as Kilip was an incorrect one from me. But perhaps you entirely missed the error yourself and were looking for specifically Kilip. Whatever, it requires inclusion. Ehinger222 10:23, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is all it says about "Dilip":"What goes around, comes around," former Australian Rugby Union chief executive John O'Neill said yesterday from Leipzig, Germany, following the decision by ARU chairman Dilip Kumar to stand down." Jpe|ob 10:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evidence of Kilip 

message: After updating the article re: his resignation, i have also added his year of birth and the fact he was head of the state bank...this is sourced in his comment here: :
:"I was 35 when I took over the State Bank and I'm now 55. It's been a fantastic 20 years of running things and I'd like to continue to run something."
Jpe|ob 11:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Age etc amid resignation

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