Talk:Finnish nobility

message: These sequences of translation are also related to noble titles.... Suedois 19:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: There seems to have appeared some editor who does not understand that in article presenting the entire nobility, there needs to be family members presented too, not only the heads. Until a workable other disposition of the presentation is found, and agreed between editors, classification of nobles should not be changed to present only classification between the heads. We shall not put too much emphasis to "officialdom", because official POV does not treat these people as a social class and so forth, only as  a hierarchical organization between families. Suedois 00:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vote and seat belonged to the head of the house, and others were without such privilege 

message: In my opinion, being a descendant of what would here be called "Finnish Fobility", this whole article is misleading and should be removed. 
The Finnish state has not on any occasion created any nobility, and therefor no such thing can exist. One could argue that the nobility created efter the founding of the Finnish House of Nobility would be Finnish. However given the nature nobility and as stated in articles about this, creation of nobility demands Fons Honorum. The only ones capable of Fons Honorum are monarchs, and rank alikes, like the Pope (there are certain exceptions, for instance Cromwell created Peers). I any case Finland has never had a nature of Fons Honorum, nor pretended to have so. This concludes that nobility created under Swedish rule is Swedish nobility, vasalls of the Swedish King. Through the Russian acceptance of Swedish law and the creation of the Finnish House of Nobility, Russia also accepted many of the Swedish noble families as Russian, thus becoming both Swedish and Russian nobles. Of course there are, quiet many, examples of families with noble ranks from different countries. In Finland there are a number of Baltic German noble families, that do hold ancient noble dignity as members of the Teutonic Order and both Swedish and Russian noble dignity.
So, there should be an article about the House of Nobility in Finland, and it's role as a organizer of the Nobility in Finland. There are nobles in Finland, however they are not Finnish nobility.
When it comes to the question of language usage, I find it utterly strange to change the names of persons, not ever known in the Finnish language to Finnish. The articles about these persons are made to target the persons, not the places they may be named after. It is nearly insulting to the person presently carrying the names, and I urge editors to prohibit the usage of Finnish names on Russian or Swedish nobles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.182.51.18 (talk) 17:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
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