Talk:MUTV (Manchester United F.C.)

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:MUTV Logo.gif

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Mutv new logo.png

message: Move to MUTV (Manchester United F.C.). Parsecboy (talk) 12:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support - never heard it called "Manchester United TV". - fchd (talk) 17:01, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
*I would like to request the removal of this discussion and nomination from WikiProject Football.  Even though this specific station is directly related to a Football team, the matter being discussed in a television-related issue and should be governed by Wikipedia:WikiProject Television.  It is television, and not football related because discussions about awareness and ratings have been discussed regarding these three stations, both of which have no direct relation to the sport itself.  Only an indirect relationship can be drawn from the fan base of the team, but that is reflected in ratings which gets back to it being a television discussion. Krocheck (talk) 03:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support - never heard it called "Manchester United TV". - fchd (talk) 17:01, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
*I would like to request the removal of this discussion and nomination from WikiProject Football.  Even though this specific station is directly related to a Football team, the matter being discussed in a television-related issue and should be governed by Wikipedia:WikiProject Television.  It is television, and not football related because discussions about awareness and ratings have been discussed regarding these three stations, both of which have no direct relation to the sport itself.  Only an indirect relationship can be drawn from the fan base of the team, but that is reflected in ratings which gets back to it being a television discussion. Krocheck (talk) 03:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: This is getting nowhere. There are two sides to the argument, both of which could be deemed to have a conflict of interest (myself included). Firstly, I'd remind everyone that the best thing to do is to stay cool. Let the facts speak for themselves. If someone else has something wrong, let the facts prove them wrong. Anyway, I think we can settle this between ourselves, but if not it might be worth requesting for arbitration. At the moment the common ground is:
* We all agree that all three channels refer to themselves primarily or exclusively as MUTV.
* There is no opposition to moving this page to MUTV (Manchester United channel) if it's decided that Manchester United's channel is no more notable than Marquette and Missouri's channels.
As far as I can tell (please correct your respective bullet point if I'm mis-representing anybody):
* The Manchester United side of the argument is that that United's channel demonstrates notability far above that of the other two.
* The Marquette/Missouri stance is that United's channel doesn't demonstrate so much more notability as to warrant a move to MUTV.
TV2 is a good analogy of the situation. There are several national channels with this name. The reason the page is a disambiguation is because the channels are national and there is no real international coverage. The fact that the South African channel is comfortably the most viewed is neither here nor there, it has the same level of notability. 
The Marquette/Missouri view is that this is the same situation. My view is that it isn't, but if I'm proved otherwise I'm very happy to accept this solution (although this page should be of the form MUFC (Manchester United xxx). The "google test" has more coverage for the football channel than the other two combined. That in itself is irrelevant- the fact that it is larger doesn't make it more notable. That test did, however, provide me with links indicating that the extent of third party coverage is a lot higher than all other terms. If this is the case, my view is that the page should be moved. Here are a few examples of the sorts of things I've seen no equivalent of for the other channels:
This link is a national newspaper's website, with MUTV among the channels that are considered worth including in the national TV listings. It's demonstration of national notability, I can provide others if this is deemed necessary. United's channel's partial sale reported by Reuters. The partial sale of the channel (i.e. something major happening) was deemed important enough to be reported by one of the biggest news organisations in the world. Also, two of the UK's three biggest broadcasters owned a third of the channel (one still does). 
If the other side of the debate can give examples that either of the other two channels can demonstrate a similar level of notability, (i.e. links), I'm happy to accept MUTV (Manchester United channel). If not, I think this page should be moved to MUTV. BeL1EveR (talk) 17:04, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal

message: Seeing as there has been no new input in the past two days, have we reached an agreement that this page be moved to MUTV (Manchester United F.C.)? If anyone does not oppose, I will move the page 24 hours from now. — Johnl1479 05:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outcome 

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress