Talk:List of European species extinct in the Holocene

message: Someone had changed the county where lions occured in Europe from Greece into Bulgaria. Why? I've changed it back for now until there is more information provided. They have indeed occurred in Bulgaria, but they disappeared from Europe  in Greece arround 80-100 AD. If you have addition information with source, please post that here. I would love to read it.
"Aristotle and Herodotus wrote that lions were found in the Balkans in the middle of the first millennium B.C. When Xerxes advanced through Macedonia in 480 B.C., several of his baggage camels were killed by lions. Lions are believed to have died out within the borders of present-day Greece in A.D. 80-100."
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Pmaas 22:54, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asiatic Lions in Europe 

message: Im deleting the line bugger me backwards for obvious reasons. But I am also uncomfotable with the Irish elk where it is. Its extinction probably isn't man made but been in the Holocene list gives a suggestion that it is. Is it really relevent there? When i'm looking for Holocene extinctions I relate that to a man made cause. I understand that this is your page Peter so if you would rather leave it there I understand. but isn't there some way to make the distiction? Phoenixis 18:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Phoenixis, first it is not my page, but everyone's page. Holocene extinctions are certainly not all human made, even some extinctions from the last 500 years are not human made (although most are). One example: Antillean Giant Rice Rat from Martinique. And scientists differ in opinion if humans did participate in extinctions during the Pleistocene and Holocene. Personally I think they had a contribution, but weren't the only reason. Maybe we can add a text part on the extinction reasons in Europe, clearing it up that not all are human made extinction. Peter Maas 08:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I think that would be best. I will add a part in the intro and if you want to reword it you can. BTW I only refered to it as your page because I see that you have made it and supplyed alot of the infomation. I didn't want to barge in and add something which you felt was irrelevent. Also where did you find some of the information regarding the island species? Phoenixis 13:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, kind of you. Thanks for adding. Where I did find the information? Any specific species or island? Well I host a website on recent extinctions , and an extinction forum  where you can find a lot of information. Besides, there are many scientific articles, books, and sites like the IUCN Red List. Just google for example and you will already find a lot of info on the extinct island species. Peter Maas 14:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish Elk 

message: now i know this ,ight sound funny to the non english among you, but werent british bears baited to extinction?
the bear baiting article mentions england a lot, but i could swear that britain used to have bears, and it is a common fact among others that bear extinction in britain came from baiting.
if someone could come up with a citation proving that bears were brought in through the empire (which isnt very likely as baiting was a customary event) or that bears were made extinct in britain i would like to see it included 
bear-baiting for the article.
on closer inspection, the extinction of bears is in the britsh only section but not in the european section, 
however the date 1000ad does not correspon with the bear baiting of the 1600s, 
any ideas?
:It is not listed on this European list as it still survives in some parts of Europe. In which British section do you mean? This: List of extinct animals of the British Isles? If you know the extinction date is wrong and you know the correct one, you are free to change it of course. But please use references to avoid reverts, and keep in mind that the "British Isles" are not just the UK, but also Ireland, etc. Peter Maas 20:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  bears. 

message: I have found in the Catalan wikipedia an article about a giant "rabbit" that lived in the island of Minorca. I live in this island and I have heard about this extict animal in some newspapers. I have translated the article into English but I have not found any more information. I would like to include this animal in the list of European extict mammals and add the  tag in its talk page so to be able to improve this poor stub. There are some interesting extict mammals in the Balearics such as the Majorcan Hare, Majorcan Giant Dormouse, Minorcan Giant Dormouse, Myotragus balearicus and the  Balearic Giant Shrew, which are all listed in the List_of_extinct_animals_of_Europe#Mammals. I believe that the evolution of insular mammals is very interesting and I would be very gratefull if anyone could improve these articles. --Francisco Valverde 17:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Minorcan Giant Lagomorph]] 

message: I would like to propose the deletion of the section Extinctions in dependent territories of European countries because it uses a contemporary political concept for a biological topic. In that case we could also talk about Extinctions in former European colonies or even Extinctions in countries that belong to NATO. In talking about List of extinct animals of Europe I presumed that we were talking of Europe from a geographical point of view.  --Francisco Valverde 18:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extinctions in dependent territories of European countries?? 

message: I would futher dispute the whole article, because I believe it uses the political term "Europe" instead of a geological or geographical term. I believe that to use the nature of the actual political human society in relation to where animals have become extinct, even millions of years prior to human existance is ridiculous. I would propose the renaming, and expansion therefore, of this article to List of extinct animals of Eurasia or that someone could provide a geological and geographical definition of Europe. In the other case, I would propose the deletion of the article. --Francisco Valverde 19:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I consider Europe to go to the Urals, and down to the Caspian. The border goes through the Causacus, and also the Turkish straits. I think this article is very interesting for those animals which have become extinct in historic times. --MacRusgail 19:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i agree with MacRusgail. We are talking about worldwide extinct species which occurred in European countries. --Melly42 11:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides if we're going to get really pernickity, Africa's part of the same landmass. --MacRusgail 16:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  If you have a look at the article Continent. I quote:
The division of the landmass of Eurasia into the separate continents of Asia and Europe is an anomaly with no basis in physical geography. The separation is maintained for historical and cultural reasons.
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I think we could all discuss if Europe and Asia are different continents or the same Eurasia. And if we could merge or not the articles. But what I believe it is fundamental is that we use scientific terminology when discussing extinctions. I do not see it viable to use political terms for animals that first do not have any national allegiance to any country. So instead of talking of extinct animals of dependent territories of European countries, such as the Falkland Islands or Madeira, why not just forget about it and enter them into the Extinct animals of the Americas or at least of South America. I do not think that anyone will find a fossilized Falkland Island Fox with a Union Jack (or even a smuggled Argentinian flag) around its neck (!). Anyway, we should be using in this list a geological or geographical "Europe" instead of a "political" Europe. Mountains and seas last for millenia, countries and policies sometimes don't even last a week... If tomorrow the Falkland Islands or Madeira became independant or it's dependancy on a European country ended, would it matter to the extinct animal? We would have to edit it off and move to, for example, List of extinct animals of South America or someone could create an article titled List of animals of territories formely dependant of European countries (!!)  --Francisco Valverde 19:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text: This is as maybe, however, we are humans (most of us) and we perceive the world in this manner. Why exclude Africa from Eurasia as well? Actually, I have a problem with the notion of Asia as a single entity, it's obviously three or four culture regions, and the fauna of Siberia is quite different compared to that of south east Asia.--MacRusgail 23:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Europe is still considered to be a continent by the vast majority. I'm against renaming it, but revisions and edits are always welcome. And everyone is of course free to create a list for Eurasia. And I see no problem if "political" country borders are used, alongside geological borders. And these borders will always disputed by someone. It would be hard to please everyone. On every continent there is a difference in fauna per region. The north of Europe is different from the south! If this page should be deleted or renamed, we can delete all these kind of lists, including the lists per country. To me it is ridiculous to delete of merge this page while there exist such a list of for the other classic continents, which children still learn on schools. Peter Maas\talk 07:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I have no objection in removing the part "extinct animals of dependent territories of European countries" if many have problems with it. And the removal of content that ar considered "political" here. But I'm really really agains a merger with Asia or deletion. Peter Maas\talk 07:32, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  Why not using the definitions of the seven traditional continents of the Earth as used here in Wikipedia for these lists. For Europe this would than be: "Physically and geologically, Europe is the westernmost peninsula of Eurasia, west of Asia. Europe is bound to the north by the Arctic Ocean, to the west by the Atlantic Ocean, to the south by the Mediterranean Sea, to the southeast by the Caucasus Mountains and the Black Sea and the waterways connecting the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. To the east, Europe is generally divided from Asia by the water divide of the Ural Mountains, the Ural River, and by the Caspian Sea." Peter Maas\talk 15:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Shall we move all the extinct animals of Cyprus to the Asian list? --Francisco Valverde 18:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is ok, but it should be clarified in the text. Otherwise we will keep getting edits, because Cyprus is considered an "European" country in the political sence. Peter Maas\talk 11:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Futher dispute on the whole article 

message: Is there any reason to suppose that wolves in Britain were distinguishable from those elsewhere in Europe? If not then surely they should either be removed, or other extinct British animals such as bears and boars must also be included.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.197.5.18 (talk) 11:45, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  English wolf 

message: Last one died in 1919 according to the actual article, not the 1880s, as I recall from what I read by smashing its own head into a wall until it was free, which didn't quite work.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 09:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tarpan 

message: ...is extinct, yes, but surely it's not an animal. Drmies (talk) 16:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neanderthal... 

message: Any credible source describing any wild tigers found in Crimea in recorded history (or well, in the last 2000 years or so)?
I wouldn't consider it too improbable though that a few individuals from e.g. the Caucasus area could have wandered off 
some distance from their usual homelands.
McLoaf (talk) 16:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tigers 

message: If we're going to insist on using 'common' names to refer to pleistocene species, which is kind of preposterous anyway (they don't have common names - even 6yos refer to them by scientific genus - just like with dinosaurs), could we at least use 'common' names that have some basis in... something?  The Elasmotherium page does not give 'unicorn' anything as a common name - it gives 'thin plate beast' as the only common name.  I'm removing the common name entirely because its inappropriate for a fossil species, but if someone would like to document a real common name for it or use the one from the elasmotherium page, I suppose that would be fine. --69.209.59.245 (talk) 21:28, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Unicorn, seriously?

message: There are three American animals, with species that only appear on this Wikipedia page, or other web sites that seemingly copied their content from here: "Canis latrans jorus", "Cyanocitta jorgei" and "Haliaeetus meridionalis", I'm looking at you. Birds I could understand colonizing another continent, but a terrestrial mamal that arose specifically in America and doesn't even naturally occur in Alaska? Yeah, I'm not finding any good references for this, or any references, period... 50.30.49.10 (talk) 04:17, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "European American" animals 

message: I am removing all inaccurate animals and local extinctions and rediscovered animals to make this list more like the other extinct animal lists that only include animals that became extinct in the Holocene Epoch. I am also including in See Also, Extinct in the Wild and Lazarus Taxon for people looking for those animals. I will also alphabetize the extinct animals  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extinctanimals22 (talk • contribs) 23:32, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Wrong Information 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I recently merged the contents of the pages listed below into List of European species extinct in the Holocene. (List of Caucasian animals extinct in the Holocene was also merged into List of Asian animals extinct in the Holocene, see Talk:List of Asian animals extinct in the Holocene#Page Merges.)
My reasons for merging are twofold: 
First, these nine articles were largely redundant with List of European species extinct in the Holocene. The nine regions in question seem to be biogeographically intertwined with the rest of Europe and separating them off results in redundant articles.
Second, some of the former articles included pre-Holocene extinctions. List of European species extinct in the Holocene is limited to the Holocene extinction, as is standard for Lists of extinct species#By region.
Also note that List of European species extinct in the Holocene excludes endangered species (except for locally extinct species) and extinct domestic breeds, as is standard for Lists of extinct species#By region.
Columbianmammoth (talk) 23:22, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Merges