Talk:Mouth of Sauron

message: Sauron's tongue came out of the black gates in the last battle of the Lord of the Rings trilogy with Gandalf and Aragorn after uttering his last sentence about Aragorn's lover, that is, the elven woman who gave up immortality for her love, King Aragorn by the sword, brought A legend has been made that Isildur's legacy was struck and that the killing of Sauron's tongue was the breath that sounded the trumpet of the final battle between good and evil. Rest in peace to all the defenders of the boarders and our security and eternal paradise of their place, cut off the hands and necks all the dead eaters, the slanderers, the liars, the profiteers of the pain and blood of our noble people and the enemies of this pure land and its holy soil (Iran), Amen.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.218.2.213 (talk) 02:07, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

message: I'm deleting the segment about first and second "re-arisings" of the Dark Tower. The first one referred to appears (from the date given) to be a reference to Sauron's return from Númenor, but Barad-dûr had not then been destroyed - he simply moved back in. It was destroyed twice and rebuilt once.
On second thoughts, I'll leave it in as a "theory".
-- Perey 22:22, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Arose again how many times?

message: There is too much speculation in this article, it needs to be cut to that which is actually know (which is very little). Thu 15:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you cut too much. One theory is that the 'first arose again' refers to Sauron's return and rebuilding after the Downfall of Numenor... making the Mouth much older. The '68 years version' is just a theory also. I happen to agree with it, but there is no proof for that interpretation either. We should probably either stick to the stated facts with no interpretation of how long the Mouth had been in Sauron's service or present the reasons behind the different theories in a factual (rather than speculative) way. --CBDunkerson 14:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to disagree, Conrad.  There was no 'rebuilding' at the end of the Second Age- Sauron went on his little trip to Numenor, and then came back home.  The Tower wasn't destroyed until the Last Alliance, and there was only one 'rebuilding,' a few decades before its final fall. Solicitr (talk) 23:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research here 

message: I think that this: this nicety of international diplomacy is set aside entirely, and the theme of just leadership, and its difficulties, with it is pure opinion with regard to the theme of just leadership.  I think it should be changed to omit this editorializing on Jackson's alteration.  Thoughts?
--Gûm-ishi Ashi Gurum 21:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Interpretation on Thematic Elements in Film 

message: Why does anyone care at all whether a few fanboys on a forum think that Aragorn "shot the messenger" by beheading the "mouth"? Does that really have to be cited? 66.92.170.227 19:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do care and I don't agree. It is "shooting the messenger" - punishing the person bringing bad news - and don't be so quick to label such people "fanboys" or "few". Not everyone agrees with Jackson's changes. It does go against the themes of the book - but I removed the "shooting the messenger" links and noted that instead, only stating "in contrast..." with no editorializing. Uthanc 13:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Peter Jackson is a fanboy, of his own admission. Or did you not watch the 25 hours of "extras" on the dvd's? The point is, it doesn't matter whether you care or not, it matters whether it's significant. There is a long standing forums-are-not-sources policy. ... aa:talk 18:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is now moot anyway as the forum citations are now replaced with book ones. Uthanc 16:19, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  who cares? 

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