Talk:Le droit d'aînesse

message: Is there any information about this composer? Is the name correct? --Kleinzach 05:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be spelled correctly: .  Piano music with his name in big letters: .  More piano music: .  Sources say that he wrote: Deux Mauvaises Bonnes, Le Bouquet de Violettes, Les Noces Improvisées, Jeanne la sabotière and Actéon et le centaure, and that he was born in 1850.  He appears to have died in 1922.  See also  and .   Here is a photo: .  -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:41, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you speak French?: .  There seems to have been an article about him in Issue N° 101 of Opérette .    -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Those links only establish is that the name is spelt correctly. There are no biographical details about him. Is he notable? He should be - given that his works were published - and yet he seems to be a blank. --Kleinzach 06:58, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Francis Chassaigne?

message: We only have one reference (Amadeus) for this work. All the other material is about the English version and that is based on unreliable web sources. It's not clear how the original work Le droit d'aînesse relates to English adaptation Falka. Perhaps they should be regarded as separate works, but we have so little information that we can't tell. The synopsis appears to be a paraphrase of the one in 'Old and Sold Antiques Digest'. All things considered this is pretty unimpressive. --Kleinzach 13:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not in very good shape at all. But I've looked around and managed to find enough proper sources to be able to fix this over the next few days. Amazingly, despite the very poor sources used, the article is actually pretty reliable, barring some minor changes which Farnie may have made to the plot. The cast list for the original production is correct, but the editor who expanded it merely stated the source in their edit summary , rather than referencing it in the article. The source can found  here. It's a review in Les Annales du Théâtre et de la Musique 1884. I also found a review in Le Ménestrel. The synopsis is indeed paraphrased from 'Old and Sold Antiques Digest' but that in turn was copied from a public domain source here. So there are no copyvio problems, fortunately. It just requires more accurate attribution. I also found enough biographical information on Chassaigne to create a basic stub, which I'll also do when I fix this article up. Voceditenore (talk) 17:52, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ssilvers: How do we know the first performance was a failure? After all it was performed in Paris at the Théâtre des Nouveautés with a cast of famous singers. (N.B. Credit to Voceditenore  for making some progress with this.) --Kleinzach 06:13, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

text: I would tend to agree.  I suspect that readers will be interested in both versions and will expect to have both conveniently to hand.  As there is no issue of length, why split?--Wehwalt (talk) 18:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree on both counts. If properly written and structured there's no need for two articles. They'd be counterproductive. This is an analogous situation to operas which have significantly revised versions and both premiere casts are given, which in this case they certainly should be. You can find an example at Don Carlos. Alternatively, if the names and descriptions of the characters are significantly different, there could be a separate role table in the English adaptation section. And the fact that it has more successful English version should be mentioned in the lede, with the name of the English version also bolded. Voceditenore (talk) 19:13, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Voceditenore, the original London cast is listed here: Adams, A dictionary of the drama.  Most of the roles are the same, but some are spelled differently, so the table should probably have two more columns. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:56, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

text: I think the best solution is to re-name the article after the more successful English version, but keep information about all the productions in the same article. Roscelese (talk) 00:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Reliability of this article?

message: Strange not to find this before, but the whole digitized score - complete with the names of the first cast - is online here. Can we assume that this cast list - from a primary source - is more accurate than the one have at present? There are some discrepancies. --Kleinzach 07:31, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Digitized score online