Talk:Lee Zeldin

message: Recent edits have questioned the accuracy of the information in the section on Zeldin's military career, e.g. . I find the section is weakly sourced, though. One source is Zeldin's own web page, not reliable in this context. The other two are publications which have conducted interviews with Zeldin, and it's unknown how much effort they spent vetting the accuracy of what Zeldin told them in the interview, or a pre-interview list of items. So how do we update the article to get the facts straight?  signed, Willondon (talk)  13:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:RS: "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." Therefore I have removed the questionable material until, and if a verifiable source is found. BlueboyLINY (talk) 18:52, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The military photo counts as inaccurate? Are we implying that the photo could be photoshopped or otherwise fake? How can we solve this issue without doing original research? GeorgeBailey (talk) 12:04, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The photo is probably not inaccurate, or photoshopped or fake. It's the caption describing it as "Zeldin in Iraq in 2006", which is not corroborated by a source. I don't think the photo as it stands is sufficient proof of military service, especially a specific place and time of service.   signed, Willondon (talk)  17:22, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Willondon, I agree with you, the photo does not appear to be faked or photoshopped. That is not the reason it was removed. If Zeldin's DD 214 does not corroborate his deployment, and all we have are puff pieces where the content is based on information that Zeldin provided, we should not be including questionable material. The onus is on the editor adding content to provide a reliable source. BlueboyLINY (talk) 18:21, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military career 

message: NPOV dispute [- Main Section. The use of the word "false" to President Trump's claims of fraud is wholly improper and fosters a talking point advanced by one political party. The true narrative based in fact is that the question of fraud not only is being investigated on the state legislative level in a number of states, including Arizona and Pennsylvania, but also a bill has been presented to the Arizona legislature seeking to decertify the 2020 election based on fraud.  See AZ HBR 2033. https://fastdemocracy.com/bill-search/az/55th-2nd-regular/bills/AZB00014431/ 
State legislatures are enumerated the power over administering Federal elections under the US Constitution. As such, said legislatures are using the power granted to them under the Constitution to conduct hearings on voter fraud. Logically, any assertion that allegations of fraud are "false" while in fact, the matter is one in active dispute with a picture of Hitler as a reference is disgusting, partisan, not based in fact and not supported by the record.]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.72.125 (talk) 21:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think the Hitler picture is a bit much, and I can change that, but false is just the correct language to use. With your claims of "since the legislature is looking into this", I know that this sort of sets up a guilty until proven innocent kind of mentality, but for such a wild claim you need wild evidence, and that just isn't present and very likely won't be. Also, I would suggest that you make a Wikipedia account as not to send your IP over the internet, and that you sign your comments! I hope you understand where I'm coming from. GeorgeBailey (talk) 18:14, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The users comments about me here and here indicate they are not here to WP:CO and help build an encyclopedia. They've made a false assumption based solely on my username. WIkipedia is no place for trolling. BlueboyLINY (talk) 21:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV dispute 

message: In the lead, the phrase "false claims" should be linked to the high quality page Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election. Currently, the word false is linked to "the big lie" and claims is linked to the attempts page. Since "the big lie" is a term used almost exclusively by Democratic activists, having that page linked gives off the impression that this article does not follow NPOV. Linking exclusively to the attempts page, which is less of a loaded political term, gives off a better impression to the average passerby. Additionally, the page linked showing Hitler is insulting. Following NPOV is key including in our phraseology. GeorgeBailey (talk) 02:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The phrase false claims should link to one article. 

message: The article describes the weapons as a plastic keychain which is a lie by omission.  The key fob is made out of hard plastic with sharp ears so that it can be used as a self-defense weapon.  It is designed to not look like a weapon but it is a weapon.  Also, the article does not mention that the attack occurred after his opponent, Kathy Hochul, publicized his campaign appearances, including times, dates, and locations, to her followers. 152.130.9.74 (talk) 18:00, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a clause at the end that says that its intended use is self-defense. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:07, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: July 2022 assault

message: Zeldin says his martial arts training helped save him from injury during the July 2022 assault.  The article does not mention his martial arts experience.  In which discipline is he a black belt? 152.130.9.74 (talk) 18:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Taekwondo, apparently. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:15, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Black belt

message: Breaking news shows that gunshots hit 2 people in bushes at Zeldin home, his teenage daughters ran upstairs and called 9-1-1. 2601:343:C380:1C50:44EC:6DAC:9868:D458 (talk) 22:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:BREAKING, be patient. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Also see WP:NOTNEWS BlueboyLINY (talk) 22:16, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That, too. This might be important enough to include, but we can wait for the dust to settle first. NY1 says he wasn't home at the time. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Seems as most of the basic details have come out. Somebody should insert it after more things are confirmed tomorrow. GeorgeBailey (talk) 03:56, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No, WP:NOTNEWS.  – Muboshgu (talk) 04:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I understand that the motive of the shooting didn't have much to do with the congressional or gubernatorial campaign, but people involved in this situation affected Zeldin's property directly . This sort of situation is news, and should get a small sentence in the personal life section. If we link this story, I would recommend linking the New York Times article, which explains everything well.GeorgeBailey (talk) 13:42, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right that , but we are an encyclopedia. We are not a newspaper. It doesn't have encyclopedic bearing on Zeldin and so should not be included in the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Got it. I assumed that since it involved his family or property that it might be in that grey area, but that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification! Thankfully Zeldin was not directly involved! I appreciate the help. GeorgeBailey (talk) 16:53, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 shot at Zeldin home. 

message: Zeldin has indicated that if elected, he will not change New York's abortion law. Spectrum News, used frequently on this article, says the following in a article released on October 14 "Despite being anti-abortion, the Long Island congressman told Capital Tonight that he will not roll back the abortion law that New York passed in 2019, which codified Roe into state law." Here is the link to that article. This should be included in the Abortion section under political positions. GeorgeBailey (talk) 18:30, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is, this interview is from Spectrum News' public affairs show Capital Tonight, and is not vetted in the same way a news story is. Remember WP:NOTEVERYTHING says . Since Zeldin is just repeating campaign talking points, and there's no evidence of original reporting, I see no reason to include this at all. BlueboyLINY (talk) 19:54, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: We could note his statements about abortion in a policy position section, but should not give too much weight to it beyond that. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have attempted to find another source for this statement, and only found three, none of them reliable. They are: WP:NEWSMAX which is deprecated; WP:NYPOST  which is generally unreliable for factual reporting especially with regard to politics; and WABC radio, which hasn't had a news department since before its current owner John Catsimatidis took over the station, and currently uses stringers on their website, so not a good WP:RELIABLE source either. BlueboyLINY (talk) 20:25, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Roger that. I also saw Newsmax and NYPost and I know those are on the no-no list. I'll wait for something better! GeorgeBailey (talk) 23:04, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Despite being anti-abortion, the Long Island congressman told Capital Tonight that he will not roll back the abortion law that New York passed in 2019, which codified Roe into state law. 

message: Just a friendly reminder of the Wikipedia:Five pillars. Remember Wikipedia is not a campaign site, and repeatedly adding campaign talking points is WP:DISRUPTIVE, so please don't waste yours or other editors time. It's best to discuss on the talk page before adding questionable statements. - BlueboyLINY (talk) 04:50, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia is not a campaign site

message: Feel free to tweak or add anything. The "bail reform" section is too specific and can be seen as a campaign talking point. GeorgeBailey (talk) 16:49, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems you're trying to add two things there. (1) Zeldin wants to declare a "state of emergency" on crime. I guess that can be relevant to add, but what exactly does that mean? It gives him authority to suspend laws? (2) Zeldin criticizing the response to antisemitism and anti-Asian attacks, all I see is a politician attacking his opponent without any specifics. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:25, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   If nothing else, the "bail reform" should be replaced with "crime". Bail reform is a crime issue. The state of emergency is relevant to add as a political position on crime. For (2), attacking those who commit hate crimes is a political position as well. Whatever we do, the crime section should expand beyond bail reform. GeorgeBailey (talk) 02:57, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Bail reform was a bill voted on in the state legislature, that issue and Zeldin's comments regarding it need to stay. If you want to add a crime section go right ahead, however keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a campaign site. That being said you should not continue adding campaign talking points instead of Zeldin's accomplishments. "Zeldin says he will..." means nothing here, as  stated "all I see is a politician attacking his opponent without any specifics". Post his voting record on crime, i.e.  ‘Tough-on-Crime’ Rep. Lee Zeldin Didn’t Vote on Police Bills - BlueboyLINY (talk) 04:00, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added a crime section 

message: 206.246.7.180 (talk) 18:09, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Although this is not incorrect, this should at the very least wait until there is a consensus to move the article Mormons to an alternate title. Tollens (talk) 08:41, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2023 

message: What is his position?   70.15.51.158 (talk) 22:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number 1 Public Health Problem. Increasing drug overdose deaths.