Talk:Microsoft PlaysForSure

message: :Playsforsure does not report what the portable device can play. It reports what Windows Media Player can play. Some devices can play additional formats that WMP can't play, Ogg Vorbis for example. Playsforsure will wrongly inform you that a device can't play Ogg Vorbis and will refuse to transfer tracks. See this article "Judge blasts MS bid to monopolize music devices" Diamond Dave 14:38:25 27/10/05
::OGG files are not certified for PlayForSure due to standardization issues.  It doesn't say that your music player *CAN'T* play it, it just tells you it's not going to "play for sure" 4.161.86.37 22:56, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reporting Errors 

message: :Finally, some owners of portable devices indicate that Playsforsure and the Media Transfer Protocol results in the loss of USB mass storage  functionality. Other owners of portable devices, indicate that the loss in USB mass storage functionality is fully offset by the better music management and music cataloguing capabilities afforded by Windows Media Player and other software that carry Playsforsure certification.
— PhilHibbs | talk 17:30, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed uncited weasel-words 

message: :"Alternatively, due to Playsforsure and Media Transfer Protocol, makers of portable devices are no longer required to write proprietary media transfer and music management software. This may reduce cost to the consumer."
The new alternative is that they can buy proprietary software from Microsoft.  They could always buy proprietary software from other vendors (or use open source software and pay patent licensing for certain codecs in certain countries).
Should this say instead:
:"Microsoft may license its software for less than other providers so the price consumers pay for the devices may be reduced."
Is that is what is meant, or is there something else going on?  Like:
:"Since Microsoft is an aggressive competitor (often using cross-subsidizing to sell below cost to gain marketshare) it is likely that the prices for proprietary player software will be reduced.  These savings may be passed on to the consumer, at least until competition is eliminated." DHR 16:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peculiar assertion 

message: Coinciding with the Zune, as of November 2006 Microsoft is apparently closing its playsforsure music store (http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=146275), but say they will maintain nominal support for the program.  My question is, if the store is shut down, what do they mean by support?  Stickers on boxes?  Cut through the adspeak, playsforsure is as good as dead methinks. - Plasticbadge 02:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  microsoft playsforsure store closing 

message: A timeline for this initiative would be interesting I think. When it was announced and introduced, revisions and when which notable devices started supporting it. Repetition 19:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's an article written Omar Shahine of MS on PlaysForSure: http://blogs.msdn.com/omars/archive/2004/10/21/245439.aspx - 23:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of PlaysForSure 

message: Very well-known software for DRM removal from WM files. -andy 80.129.88.2 07:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please also mention SoundTaxi 

message: This article reads like a blatant advertisment. It's extremely one-sided and was probably written by a Microsoft employee. 71.166.11.126 18:53, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to remove the speedy deletion tag, but someone else already beat me to it.  If you plan on marking pages for speedy deletion, please post real reasons why.  This reads no diffrent than any other comercial product's wiki page. 4.161.86.37 22:56, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I object to deletion, the page is quite concise and does not use weasel terms etc. The word is used extensively in MS marketing and readers will need a neutral discussion of the term, and that is provided by this Wikipedia entry. Please edit out whatever is objectionable about it, I cannot find anything. Nixdorf 08:28, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spam!!! 

message: Do you think SPlayForSure contributes to Vendor lock-in?  Would it help to have a category identifying :Category:Non-interoperable systems?  The issue is being voted on, please contribute your vote / opinion:  here. Pgr94 23:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vendor lock-in? 

message: One of the criticisms in the article notes that PlaysForSure MTP devices are not capable of direct file transfer, as mass storage devices are naturally able to do.  This, however, was a limitation of the MTP driver included with Windows Media Player 10.  As of Windows Media Player 11 (both XP and Vista versions), MTP devices are able to transfer files, including DRM'd media, to other PCs through Windows Explorer, just like a mass storage device would.  Licenses for DRM'd media can then be reacquired for the new PC by logging into the service on the new PC and authorizing it.  BlkPhnx 09:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Part of the criticism that you missed is that it can't transfer certain file types (it simply won't let you if you try to drag and drop them). 168.184.243.91 (talk) 23:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  File Transfer with PlaysForSure MTP Devices 

message: Hi! Can a portable device manage both DRM-Systems: That of PlaysForSure (napster.com, napster.de, urge.com ...) and that of audible.com/audible.de? This article indicates it cannot manage both. Such is my experience. But iriver said that the portable audio device "iriver T30 (P)/MTP 1GB" can manage both. That indicates also the FAQ/Help-Sides of Iriver:
http://www.iriver.com/support/faq_view.asp?searchProductIdx=&searchString=&page=1&idx=400&tmpSearchProductIdx=Select+a+Product&tmpSearchString=
http://www.iriver.com/product/p_detail.asp?pidx=73
Does somebody know a portable device, which is "surely" able to manage both DRM-Systems, so that you can copy and play files of both DRM-Systems at the same time on one device? 
Pistazienfresser 17:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know for a fact that there are some Sandisk MP3 players that can play both.168.184.243.91 (talk) 23:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a conflict between PlaysForSure and other DRM-Systems (audible.com)? 

message: amirite?67.62.15.241 (talk) 22:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More like PlaysForclosure! 

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