Talk:Hong Kong/Archive 2

message: Quoted from the original version of the article: " In the Joint Declaration, the PRC promised that under the "One Country, Two Systems" policy proposed by Deng Xiaoping, China's socialist economic system would not be practised in Hong Kong and that Hong Kong would enjoy a high degree of autonomy in all matters except foreign affairs and defence for 50 years until 2047. "
I'll proceed to rephrase the above sentence, as "In the Joint Declaration, the PRC promised that under the "One Country, Two Systems" policy proposed by Deng Xiaoping, the socialist economy system in mainland China would not be practised in Hong Kong and Hong Kong's previous capitalist system and life-style shall remained unchanged for 50 years (until 2047). Hong Kong would enjoy a high defree of autonomy in all matters except foreign affairs and defence."
According to Section I of the Annex I of the Sino-British Joint Declaration, " after the establishment of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region the socialist system and socialist policies shall not be practised in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and that Hong Kong's previous capitalist system and life-style shall remain unchanged for 50 years. ". See also Paragraph 3(12) of the declaration and the article on Wikipedia.  — Instantnood 14:45, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)
:Interestingly, the term "Mainland China" did not appear anywhere in that document.--Huaiwei 15:16, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Remain unchanged for"

message: The USSR and several other former states have articles about there former political structure and the like. Would an article on the former "colony of Hong Kong" with the same structure as Hong Kong SAR's article be a good idea? It would be stressed, of course, that the territory no longer exists as such. 81.154.89.115 00:39, Mar 13, 2005 
:That's a good idea. But there's already an article on history. Perhaps we can have a redirect, for instance Hong Kong (crown colony), to the relevant section(s) at the article History of Hong Kong, and add an infobox there.  — Instantnood 14:44, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
:* iawtc SchmuckyTheCat 02:35, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Colonial Article? 

message: Please take into consideration of this list of dependencies from the CIA World Factbook. They are dependent territories.  — Instantnood 18:37, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
*Techinically, they are called Special Administration Regions. But in reality, their rulers and some policies depend on what the People's Republic of China does. So you can say HK and Macau are dependents of China. Zscout370 15:11, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dependency status of Hong Kong (and Macao)

message: I think it would be more approiate that way
Hunter 03:38, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Should Tung Chee Hwa's resignation be moved to the politics column?

message: I just want to ask does anyone have the old hong kong flag, the blue british one with a white circle with lions or sumthing inside it, if its in good detail, can u please post url - 202.74.196.194 09:13, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)
*I just uploaded a photo, at :Image:Colonialhongkongflag.png. Zscout370 15:10, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Old Hong Kong flag

message: Please visit Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Hong_Kong_Geographical_Association and vote. --Zero 10:27, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why dont you relax and refrain from assuming all those who voted delete were "anti-HK", and not merely being generally deletionist across any topic in wikipedia?--Huaiwei 10:54, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally think that an organization like the HKGA should get a page, even if it be a subsection of a geography page or that of a Hong Kong university. Plus, more about this group should be detailed. I already voted to keep this article in here. Zscout370 15:20, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: Actually I don't mind if people are anti-HK or pro-HK; that's their choice.  The title is to get people to pay attention.  --Zero 15:33, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, but please do not do that next time. Just the word's VfD will get our attention. But this page, by itself, it is not anti-HK. Zscout370 15:40, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  anti-HK page needs your attention 

message: Should Tung Chee Hwa be regarded as a "celebrity"? --Cylauj 11:37, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Who is or isn't a celebrity

message: This page deserves a tidy-up. Too many point-forms -- a bit over-simplified. See PRC and South Africa; they're good examples to follow. Something can be added as well, like the origin of the name "Hong Kong". I think I would spend some time on this article later. :) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 17:35, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tidy-up

message: The image in the history section seriously distorts the text arrangement, leaving plenty of dead spaces.
Originally I aligned the pic left, which was later on reverted by PZFUN. Few days later, user riddle did a similar way to mine. Once again, the correction was erased by PZFUN. I do think that the pic aligned right would make the entire paragraph ugly-looking; there're many lines of emptiness between the heading and the content follows. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 10:43, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Mcy Jerry, do you see something like ?  And what is your screen resolution? Is it 1024×768 or larger? Riddle | Talk 10:54, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Haha, mine is much larger, I'm afraid. Still, I've the same viewing problem as yours. :-D -- Jerry Crimson Mann 11:00, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: PZFUN has added two more images to the History section, but the problem is still here (at least when viewing on my computer). What about yours? And on my computer, moving those images downward solves the problem. What about yours? Riddle | Talk 01:31, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The same old blunders...;) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 06:15, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well...which question are you answering - the first or the second, or both? Riddle | Talk 06:34, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: An explanation of my recent edit (this is not the most recent edit of the article, though):
*I moved the image downward because of  I encounter in the recent versions of the article (which is also discussed in the above section).
*I removed two images to reduce the possibility of creating new viewing problems.
Do you have the same problem? If so, did my edit solve the problem, or did it create another? Please let me know by leaving a message here. Also, if you have any suggestion on how to solve the problem, please feel free to state it here. Your opinions count. Riddle | Talk 04:51, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Image problem

message: On the FAC, there were several complaints about copyrihgt issues with the photographs here. I checked through, and two of them had problems, so I've removed them. Given that this article is already heavily laden with pictures, the removal of two shouldn't be a major issue. →Raul654 16:40, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
:At the same time, some images are replaced. :) -- Jerry Crimson Mann 17:16, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed pictures

message: I've just noticed one big gap in the coverage of the history of HK that isn't covered in this article or any other of the linked articles - the period of colonial occupation, e.g. structure of government, list of governors etc... that would be nice to have I think. Enochlau 03:01, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: User:61.61.254.9 moved the above pictures to the left again and again - reverting reverts by myself and others.  I believe there was a massive debate on this a while ago - and I believe the reason for it is because left-align creates odd-looking paragraphs (although right-align creates white spaces on certain non-complaint browsers).  I don't want to get in an edit war so lets discuss here before any further reverts.
I suppose, the best way forward would be to see what the page was like when we were given featured article status, no?  My vote would be for right-aligned because left-aligned creates odd looking pages for users with lower resolution screens due to the Cities information panel (or whatever its called) at the right.  Pictures lower down, however, would be all right left or right aligned although the existing layout is probably best. --Mintchocicecream 08:01, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: At the FAC page, most people demanded left align. However a major writer of this page, PZFUN rejected to do so (left align). In the end the FA was passed with the right align kept, yet, many hope for a left align. Deryck C. 08:08, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  I was not aware of the support for left-align, though I still think it can create issues with lower resolutions - even on 1024x768, it looks rather cramped; and we must remember many people run resolutions even lower than that.
The above screenshot (found in the relevant discussion on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hong_Kong/Archive3#Image) is probably what User:61.61.254.9 experiences - although I cannot replicate the behaviour as it is probably a browser-specific bug.  Perhaps, a new solution has to be found - for example, removing the pictures entirely or moving them lower down the page, or making them smaller?  In any case, a solution has to be found or else this left/right picture editing war will continue...  --Mintchocicecream 08:31, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

text: In this case the pictures are not responsible for the problem. It's the info box which is responsible. That user's browser probably had set the default value "br clear=right". Deryck C. 03:01, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alignment of old_hong_kong.jpg and 1945_liberation....jpg 

message: A bit surprised there's little content in the article about the eating culture of Hong Kong, as well as music, cinema, etc. The section on culture can be expanded a little bit, and there's still lots to do for the culture of Hong Kong article. :-) — Instantnood 18:05, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
I've added content to the Culture section.--Sir Edgar 06:19, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is somehow too long. Better put the details onto other articles. Deryck C. 06:33, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Gourmet Paradise

message: "Prior to the handover, British expatriates were able to live and work in Hong Kong for up to a year, without work permits, which gave rise to the acronym FILTH - Failed In London, Try Hongkong."
How important is this in a Hong Kong article?  I understand the acronym FILTH is found  on different sources, but somehow I feel this is tagged onto the article for the sake of it rather than for any good reason.  It would go well as a separate article but I don't think it warrant inclusion in an overview of Hong Kong...  --Mintchocicecream 05:38, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing it from here and putting it in "history of Hong Kong series" maybe a better choice. Deryck C. 07:03, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

text: One more note, adding it to "Britons in Hong Kong" may also be a good choice. Deryck C. 07:05, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  FILTH?