Talk:Brithenig

message: The Tolkien reference is inaccurate.  His languages were not made up for background to the stories, but the reverse.  Also, the stories in question are the legends of the First Age, i.e., those in the background of The Lord of the Rings. Zaslav (talk) 20:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: I added Welsh to the table, as it illustrates nicely the similarity in phonology with Brithenig, and also the fact that a considerable number of Welsh words are descended from Latin in this way. Feel free to replace my words with more suitable ones, and if someone could indicate which are Latin-descended, which are IE cognates, etc., that would look good. I'd do it myself but I'd get it wrong. 137.205.74.230 (talk) 00:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Great work, thanks a lot! —IJzeren Jan  Uszkiełtu? 10:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the intended significance of showing some of the Welsh-language words in parenthesis? -- Picapica (talk) 10:06, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: the spanish has can, meaning "dog" and this word is from the latin canis http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/can#Spanish --Karlven (talk) 19:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welsh 

message: If a form of Latin had survived in Britain, it would have Celtic loanwords in Romance pronunciation, like French, not vice versa. Are there any sources explaining how nonsensical such hypothetical languages are? 46.186.34.99 (talk) 00:22, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that "what if"-type questions are usually difficult to answer with certainty (at least in history), I would be more cautious here. From parallels such as Maghrebi Arabic vs. Northern Berber and Middle Chinese vs. Proto-Tai vs. Middle Chinese it is clear that languages spoken (in an extended period) by bilingual speakers can converge to a substantial extent. A closer analogue would probably be Albanian vs. Romanian. One should also keep superstratal influence in mind. If the idea is that Brithenig is basically a mixed register of Brittonic/Welsh with an abundance of Latin loanwords where the native register eventually became extinct, the development makes more sense. In the case of French, we don't have any real idea how Gaulish would have developped had it not become extinct; perhaps Gallo-Romance and Gaulish really converged more than we might think, and would have converged even further had they persisted both. A tendency of minority languages to adapt to the majority language even to the point of shared sound changes is not unprecedented: Moroccan Arabic, for example, shares the loss of most short vowels and the development of rounded consonants with Moroccan Berber. It strikes me as the closest parallel I know to fictional bogolangs (i. e., the Brithenig type where you apply the sound changes of language A to language B), while it is true that substrate influences do not work this straightforwardly, as a rule. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:04, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probability? 

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