Talk:Ivy League/Archive 1

message: The page said that Penn was founded in 1755.  But the University celebrated its 250th anniversary in 1990 (see ) and, although one can certainly dispute the "founding date", I don't think it can be argued that the University was founded later than 1751 (see ). -- Dominus 18:13, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  U Penn Founding 

message: An unknown user just changed part of this article stating that the ivy league schools are less competitive because they do not grant athletic scholarships. What does s/he mean by competitiveness? The attraction of college athletes? Competition for admitttance? or strenght and rigor of the competition between rival schools? If it is the latter I would like to see some evidence towards this as I have been to many an Ivy League game, and have seen plenty of heated competition between the schools that could rival any other...
Sean 18:03, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Competetiveness (athletics) ? 

message: I was asked to comment on why I inserted these rankings into the article an then deleted them at a later date.  When I first inserted them, I intended to also insert other rankings to show the entire picture of college rankings.  Obviously, only the U.S. News rankings do not paint a sufficient picture.  The choice here is either to include assorted rankings or none, and I feel that the Ivy League can stand on its own merit without need of mentioning statistical rankings.  If anyone feels differently, please comment here. Uris 19:05, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's relevant, factual, and verifiable information. It should be included on that basis only. Nohat 19:54, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: You misunderstand. It's a verifiable fact that U.S. News ranked the schools in the orders given. That is all. No assertion is made that the schools actually are "good" in that order, just that U.S. News ranked them so. The order that U.S. News ranked them is a simple, verifiable, and relevant fact for which I don't see any reason to exclude. Nohat 06:41, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  College rankings 

message: There should be a section that discusses Cornell's inferiority among the Ivy League schools. Let's face it: Cornell is the ONLY school that is not private (it is part public), the ONLY school that wasn't founded during the colonial era, by far the highest acceptance rate (almost 30%!), and it is consistently ranked the lowest of the Ivy Leagues. People should know this about Cornell -- going to an Ivy League school is generally regarded highly, but not in the case of Cornell.
:Thanks for your insightful comments. Unfortunately, the facts you claim are irrelevant and/or untrue:
:#I don't see how the fact that Cornell is not entirely private should have any effect on its quality or reputation. There's nothing inherent about being partially publically-funded that makes a school less good. 
:#I don't see how the fact that Cornell is younger than the other schools should have any effect on its quality or reputation. It's been around since 1865, which at 140 years is plenty of time to establish itself as one of the best schools in the country—which it did.
:#The claim that Cornell is consistently ranked the lowest of the Ivy Leagues is untrue. For example, in the U.S. News 2000 rankings, Cornell was ranked 11th while Dartmouth was ranked tied for 11th and Brown was ranked 14th. So the claim that Cornell is consistently ranked below the other Ivies is just not true.
:#Cornell is a larger school than the other Ivies and so has more room for its applicants. Harvard's incoming class is only 1650, whereas Cornell's is 3000. Both Cornell  and Harvard  report receiving around 20,000 applicants per year, but since Cornell has a larger incoming class, it can admit more applicants. I don't see how having a larger incoming class should have any effect on the school's quality or reputation.  
:In sum, I see no evidence that Cornell is quantitatively or qualitatively inferior to all the other Ivy leagues. All I see is inflammatory misinformation. Please see Wikipedia:Avoid academic boosterism and medidate on how that might apply here. Nohat 00:07, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cornell lowest ranked 

message: # Dpbsmith (talk) 16:37, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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